| 00:01.18 | prgmrchris | you can |
| 00:01.55 | KI4IKL | cusco: I have chosen a different mirror but I still seem to be stuck at 40% there |
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| 00:03.22 | infernix | prgmrchris: you cant chroot into it and execute the binaries, though, so i really wonder |
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| 00:05.11 | vbgunz__ | fellas, I cannot apologize enough for this. I tried Kubuntu and realized the same drama with the wired connection. the problem was, I was doing mac filtering on the router and i never gave permission to the notebook to connect (basically filtering it out)... anyhow, entirely my fault. once figured out, Debian connected without a problem :) |
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| 00:07.06 | amphi | vbgunz__: what a thorny path you had to tread ;) |
| 00:07.27 | snewp | better use debian :) |
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| 00:10.44 | dev-bin | I need to share a folder on vista to my debian machine. what should I be looking up to start figuring this out? |
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| 00:11.04 | liable | samba |
| 00:11.06 | amphi | dev-bin: smbfs? |
| 00:11.17 | vbgunz__ | turkey'day all, good night :) |
| 00:11.41 | minus198 | Ehm.. When I'm in nautilus and trying to choose vlc to open videofiles, it crashes... (I backported VLC from sid, is this why I cant choose it?) |
| 00:12.05 | dev-bin | will have a look, ty |
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| 00:14.15 | minus198 | Is it possible to reinstall Nautilus? |
| 00:14.26 | zErOaCid | yes |
| 00:14.31 | minus198 | How? |
| 00:14.49 | zErOaCid | apt-get remove/install nautilus |
| 00:15.04 | minus198 | Well.. If I remove it, it removes some other pakages too |
| 00:15.29 | zErOaCid | reinstall those packages too |
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| 00:17.59 | anomaly | if I am using a thumb drive for / and boot media, yet have nfs on ~/storage giving me 30gb, anyway to get debian to install to that instead of / on thumb? |
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| 00:21.27 | toet | apt-get update forked? |
| 00:21.28 | toet | E: Dynamic MMap ran out of room |
| 00:21.28 | toet | E: Error occurred while processing xserver-xorg-core (NewVersion1) |
| 00:21.28 | toet | E: Problem with MergeList /var/lib/apt/lists/security.debian.org_dists_stable_updates_main_binary-i386_Packages |
| 00:21.28 | toet | E: The package lists or status file could not be parsed or opened. |
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| 00:24.18 | petemc | anomaly: sure, look for nfsroot |
| 00:24.53 | anomaly | petemc thanks |
| 00:25.06 | strui | my laptot uses fn + shift + pageup to scroll up, how can I map that so only uses shift + pageup? |
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| 00:26.13 | ipsecurity | strui you can create/add/download hotkey for linux, iirc. |
| 00:26.57 | strui | ah thank you, looks interesting, it is possible to do using xmodmap? |
| 00:30.03 | anomaly | petemc problem is so far all the howtos deal with netbooting and don't go into much about how to make use of the nfs as root.. lol. perhaps I should get a better search string. |
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| 00:32.50 | anomaly | would make better sense to just use the flash to boot, then fstab all relevant dirs to /nfsserver |
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| 00:54.20 | findme | 3.1 is that testing ? |
| 00:54.35 | streuner | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:54.41 | streuner | !sarge |
| 00:54.41 | dpkg | methinks sarge is Ten-HUT! Fall in! Sarge is the code name for the previous stable Debian release, version 3.1, released on June 6th, 2005. ISO repository still exists: http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/archive/3.1_r6a/i386/iso-cd/ |
| 00:54.52 | findme | thanks |
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| 01:03.40 | dev-bin | In gnome, when I drag a file from a share onto my gnome desktop, the icon changes as if its going to copy it,but nothing happens |
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| 01:04.57 | struct | anyone know of a small lightweight caching dns server? |
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| 01:06.40 | dlynes | struct: www.tinydns.org |
| 01:07.02 | dlynes | struct: it's used in conjunction with dnscache |
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| 01:09.28 | dlynes | Has anyone successfully installed nagios-pgsql on Etch? I'm having issues when it goes to connect to the database server |
| 01:10.01 | CaT[tm] | what sort of issues? |
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| 01:11.29 | struct | dlynes: I think nagios database support was removed |
| 01:11.43 | dlynes | CaT[tm]: http://pastebin.ca/794331 |
| 01:11.49 | struct | dlynes: in nagios 2 that is |
| 01:12.20 | dlynes | struct: nagios 2 isn't available for etch though, is it? |
| 01:12.49 | dlynes | struct: besides, is setting it up through postgresql not the best of doing it, then? |
| 01:13.14 | dlynes | struct: i really don't care how it gets set up, as long as it works |
| 01:13.19 | CaT[tm] | dlyness: looks like an authentication issue. check that the right user/pass is set and the pg_hba.conf is right for you. |
| 01:13.40 | CaT[tm] | dlyness: you may wish to test manually with psql from the nagios user. |
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| 01:14.08 | struct | dlynes: yes it is avaiable for etch |
| 01:14.32 | dlynes | struct: but as a separate .deb download, right? |
| 01:14.57 | struct | dlynes: yes that is correct |
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| 01:15.08 | struct | dlynes: it is a seperate package from nagios 1 |
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| 01:21.23 | dlynes | struct: it's quite a bit better, then? |
| 01:21.25 | Asmooh | is there a faster email thing then evolution? |
| 01:21.40 | dlynes | struct: I'm just looking for something that handles checking sip and iax2 nodes |
| 01:21.51 | struct | dlynes: yes |
| 01:22.08 | dlynes | Asmooh: Have you tried icedove/thunderbird? |
| 01:22.14 | dlynes | struct: Ok, thanks |
| 01:22.23 | Asmooh | yea, but i like evolution.. but its so slow |
| 01:22.33 | mrrcp | terminal mail? |
| 01:22.40 | Asmooh | nah |
| 01:22.54 | mrrcp | heh |
| 01:22.56 | DawnLight | Asmooh: there's kmail, but i doubt it will be faster |
| 01:23.03 | Asmooh | kde *puke* |
| 01:23.09 | mrrcp | heh |
| 01:23.16 | mrrcp | gnome *puke* |
| 01:23.18 | Asmooh | :P |
| 01:23.26 | CaT[tm] | *puke* *puke* |
| 01:23.30 | Asmooh | :D! |
| 01:23.37 | mrrcp | You cant *puke* on terminal tho huh |
| 01:23.42 | mrrcp | :P |
| 01:23.51 | mrrcp | because you all use it! heh |
| 01:24.28 | Asmooh | true |
| 01:24.51 | Asmooh | hmm.. iets 2.24am and need to getup on 8.. because my gf is ill.. but im not tired |
| 01:24.51 | Asmooh | >( |
| 01:25.20 | CaT[tm] | asmooh: you can have my tiredness if I can have your lack of it |
| 01:25.24 | mrrcp | Asmooh; i was the same way last night |
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| 01:25.29 | Asmooh | hehe |
| 01:25.41 | mrrcp | didnt sleep till 4 |
| 01:25.49 | mrrcp | back at it again |
| 01:26.34 | Asmooh | :) |
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| 01:27.03 | Asmooh | and tomorrow traffic crap >( i hate leaving at 8am |
| 01:27.04 | Asmooh | :P |
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| 01:27.51 | mrrcp | whats a good virus scanner for muh box |
| 01:27.55 | mrrcp | clam ? |
| 01:28.00 | DawnLight | traffic... sigh i'd rather be a beggar |
| 01:28.03 | CaT[tm] | tis what i use |
| 01:28.27 | mrrcp | is it a pain to setup |
| 01:28.27 | mrrcp | ? |
| 01:28.41 | CaT[tm] | apt-get install, crontab -e, done. |
| 01:28.58 | mrrcp | eh |
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| 01:29.13 | DawnLight | mrrcp: you don't need a virus scanner for personal use in linux |
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| 01:29.45 | mrrcp | true but if i have 30 people with access to my box and uploading stuff from windows with samba might i? |
| 01:29.48 | epsilon | anti-rootkits are more inportant than anti-virus |
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| 01:30.21 | mrrcp | anit-rootkits |
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| 01:30.26 | lubos | what is the smallest desktop manager which can handle autologin? |
| 01:30.29 | mrrcp | i dont have to worry about that |
| 01:30.33 | epsilon | mrrcp: clamav is one of the worst scanners, so don't expect any wonder |
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| 01:30.44 | mrrcp | ok i was just wondering |
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| 01:30.50 | CaT[tm] | epsilon: how does it suck for you? |
| 01:30.53 | DawnLight | mrrcp: well, you can set clam to periodically scan user's homes but it won't prevent anything going in. it doesn't have that realtime scanning like windows AVs have |
| 01:31.07 | mrrcp | k |
| 01:31.24 | mrrcp | i dont use anything but Server mode anyways |
| 01:31.37 | mrrcp | j/w if i should have one or not |
| 01:32.01 | mrrcp | Since i just got pw0ned in windbl0w buy 3 trojans |
| 01:32.13 | DawnLight | lubos: i think there are only kdm, gdm and xdm... and i don't think that xdm can do that, but i can't be sure |
| 01:32.53 | epsilon | mrrcp: if unsure, take some commercial antivir with linux-support |
| 01:33.09 | _Alix | lubos, try xdm |
| 01:33.14 | DawnLight | mrrcp: windows is the virus. get rid of that, and yer clean :) |
| 01:33.18 | lubos | DawnLight: I have tryied xdm and I was not able to make it autologin.. :-( thank man you just confirmed my theory |
| 01:33.22 | epsilon | freeav or f-prot are even free for linux iirc |
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| 01:33.31 | lubos | _Alix: I did try that but no luck |
| 01:33.43 | _Alix | ahh sorry |
| 01:33.51 | _Alix | gdm can but its hardly small ;( |
| 01:34.22 | lubos | _Alix: and that is the problem... |
| 01:34.51 | mrrcp | dawn i would but somethings u need windows for |
| 01:34.54 | _Alix | but you can used gdm without using gnome, as in, use gdm to login to openbox |
| 01:35.01 | mrrcp | ive tryed to go with out it |
| 01:35.05 | mrrcp | to much of a pain |
| 01:35.13 | DawnLight | lubos: this isn't really good security so they didn't bother with xdm i suppose. but perhaps they did, and it is documented somewhere. google the xdm documentation |
| 01:35.16 | DawnLight | !xdm |
| 01:35.16 | dpkg | it has been said that xdm is the X windows login screen you might see every time you boot up. If you don't like it and want to just boot into console mode, you can read /usr/doc/xfree86-common/FAQ for a full explanation, or just 'dpkg --purge xdm', or 'apt-get remove xdm' (yes it's safe to remove task-x-*) |
| 01:35.21 | mrrcp | !windows |
| 01:35.22 | dpkg | PCs are like air conditioners, if you open Windows(R) they don't work. |
| 01:35.32 | mrrcp | :P |
| 01:35.40 | mrrcp | !mac |
| 01:35.40 | dpkg | mac is, like, see also nameififrename |
| 01:35.49 | DawnLight | mac address |
| 01:36.00 | mrrcp | lol |
| 01:36.06 | Nyle | crackheads |
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| 01:37.17 | stoned | I had the most massive turkey feast dinner thingy |
| 01:37.26 | high | heh me 3 |
| 01:37.27 | stoned | man my sister makes some of the best food |
| 01:37.38 | stoned | first my grandma, then my mom, and then my sister |
| 01:37.38 | high | does she? is she single |
| 01:37.45 | _Alix | i head shes good with wood too |
| 01:37.55 | high | you head? |
| 01:37.56 | stoned | she is married |
| 01:37.59 | _Alix | heard* |
| 01:38.16 | high | you killed the high _Alix |
| 01:38.17 | stoned | my girl doesn't really know hot to cook a lot |
| 01:38.22 | stoned | but what she does know, its good |
| 01:38.25 | _Alix | sorry |
| 01:38.32 | mrrcp | lol |
| 01:38.37 | stoned | !high |
| 01:38.37 | dpkg | howghdy |
| 01:38.38 | DawnLight | stoned: is she good with wood? |
| 01:38.44 | _Alix | I had rack of lamb today |
| 01:38.44 | stoned | DawnLight: my wood |
| 01:38.48 | stoned | you damn right |
| 01:38.48 | DawnLight | nice |
| 01:38.53 | mrrcp | !crack |
| 01:38.53 | dpkg | crack: see source of spacehogs comment on apt |
| 01:38.57 | stoned | !stoned |
| 01:39.12 | DawnLight | ahuh |
| 01:39.19 | mrrcp | !die |
| 01:39.20 | dpkg | I'll murder you mrrcp! Slice you into bits and feed you to my children! |
| 01:39.25 | stoned | !abuse |
| 01:39.25 | dpkg | RAPE! RAPE!! Don't ever come near me again! |
| 01:39.31 | stoned | enough bot abuse |
| 01:39.33 | mrrcp | !slutalert |
| 01:39.37 | mrrcp | ok |
| 01:39.40 | _Alix | !kill stoned |
| 01:39.55 | DawnLight | !ahimsa |
| 01:39.55 | dpkg | [ahimsa] a Sanskrit term meaning nonviolence (literally: the avoidance of violence - himsa). It is an important tenet of the religions that originated in ancient India (Hinduism, Buddhism, and especially Jainism). Ahimsa is a rule of conduct that bars the killing or injuring of living beings. It is closely connected with the notion that all kinds of violence entail negative karmic consequences. |
| 01:40.09 | stoned | DawnLight: ahamkar |
| 01:40.21 | _Alix | alah akabar |
| 01:40.40 | Claudio32m | do u need a 64bit version of debian to see >4GB ram? |
| 01:40.45 | DawnLight | alah hu akbar i think |
| 01:40.52 | _Alix | !ied |
| 01:41.01 | _Alix | Claudio32m, no |
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| 01:41.04 | stoned | Claudio32m: not on linux |
| 01:41.12 | stoned | this is a windows only anamoly |
| 01:41.12 | _Alix | only on winblows |
| 01:41.15 | Claudio32m | 32 bit debian can access 8GB of ram |
| 01:41.20 | stoned | and even then you only see 32bit |
| 01:41.21 | stoned | i mean |
| 01:41.21 | stoned | fuck |
| 01:41.26 | stoned | s/32 bit/3gb |
| 01:41.27 | lubos | very weird prblme with network card. I can ping loopback but I cannot ping hosts on my LAN at ll. This is fresh installation of lenny, no firewall nothing. |
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| 01:42.45 | stoned | simonrvn: ping |
| 01:43.00 | DawnLight | lubos: how do you set up the network? |
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| 01:44.14 | epsilon | lubos: what does ifconfig (-a) say? |
| 01:44.59 | lubos | DawnLight: I did set it up during installation. I got 2 x 1Gb NIC's I have also tried both of then. ifconfig eth0 10.1.1.1 netmask 255.0.0.0 always works but not with debian. I got 00:11.0 Bridge: nVidia Corporation MCP55 Ethernet (rev a2) |
| 01:45.04 | anomaly | been trying to get debian to mount root from nfs. I have edited /etc/fstab to server:/dir / defaults 0 0 and /etc/rcS.d/S35mountall.sh has been edited for the nonfs. seems I am missing something though as it keeps loading the / from the thumb drive instead of nfs |
| 01:45.29 | anomaly | typo... server:/dir / nfs defaults 0 0 |
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| 01:45.42 | DawnLight | lubos: i got that chipset also. ahm... you need to learn to use /etc/network/interfaces |
| 01:46.08 | lubos | DawnLight: do you suspect route? |
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| 01:46.25 | DawnLight | i suspect you're not doing it properly, lubos |
| 01:46.39 | epsilon | lubos: I suspect your card isn't properly installed at all |
| 01:47.01 | lubos | epsilon: loopback works no problem... |
| 01:47.07 | DawnLight | epsilon: why would you suspect that? |
| 01:47.42 | epsilon | loopback is not a real NIC |
| 01:48.35 | mrrcp | now that he said that i cant ping either |
| 01:48.52 | epsilon | as already said, check etc/network/interfaces, ifconfig, ifconfig -a, ... |
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| 01:49.49 | guhhh | hi |
| 01:49.52 | Tramp | lubos: can you ping the 10.1.1.1? If yes, pastebin ifconfig -a, netstat -nr and the output of the failing ping. |
| 01:49.53 | lubos | DawnLight: You maybe right , but still I have installed debian hundreds times before and no problem at all. Now I got new pc and i got this problems. Right now I'm on ubuntu and o problmes here, but I want to use debian :-) |
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| 01:50.13 | guhhh | can someone please paste a inittab for a debian 4.0? im having problems to boot |
| 01:50.31 | lubos | Tramp: yes I can.. |
| 01:50.43 | guhhh | last time i tried to shutdown my system freezed :( |
| 01:50.49 | Tramp | lubos: oh, and when you're at it arp -an (or ip neigh show) as well. |
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| 01:51.17 | lubos | Tramp: I need to reboot to do those test...anyhing else you suggest to try before I restart? |
| 01:51.21 | lubos | Tramp: ok |
| 01:51.23 | guhhh | please? |
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| 01:52.12 | DawnLight | guhhh: coming up... |
| 01:52.35 | guhhh | DawnLight: thaaanks |
| 01:53.17 | mrrcp | question. How do u determine what submask to use? like if im making a vpn with ip 192.168.2.0 |
| 01:53.18 | Tramp | lubos: hmm, no. well, you can run a tcpdump -envv while you're testing as well |
| 01:53.22 | DawnLight | guhhh: http://paste.debian.net/43218 |
| 01:53.23 | xulf | what is the url to view mod_status when you have it installed? |
| 01:53.33 | sander_ | I've just installed raid1 on my root filesystem with the debian installer.. But my installation wont boot. ANy idea why? |
| 01:53.40 | guhhh | DawnLight: thanks man |
| 01:54.11 | Tramp | xulf /status, iirc |
| 01:54.22 | stoned | edible underwear |
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| 01:54.25 | stoned | wow |
| 01:54.26 | Tramp | xulf: aeh server-status |
| 01:54.29 | stoned | now i've seen everything |
| 01:54.45 | stoned | 'eat my shorts... they are cherry flavored' |
| 01:54.46 | stoned | wtf |
| 01:55.18 | lubos | Tramp: ok |
| 01:55.57 | sam_ | Hi I was playing around with xorg-conf and now when i boot my system it goes to a grey screen with a timer. Ctrl-alt-fx does not work so I cannot re-edit xorg.conf. |
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| 01:56.19 | sam_ | any ideas how i can get back to a command line? |
| 01:56.37 | stoned | ctrl alt f1 should take you there |
| 01:56.47 | stoned | if not, try ctl alt backspace and see if you can kill it |
| 01:56.49 | DawnLight | sam_: use grub to boot single user mode |
| 01:57.01 | stoned | or that |
| 01:57.09 | sam_ | Thanks guys |
| 01:57.18 | stoned | no problem uncle... sam_ |
| 01:57.19 | stoned | ahahaha |
| 01:57.21 | stoned | im funny, |
| 01:57.24 | DawnLight | !tell sam_ about drxx |
| 01:57.37 | stoned | i am running out of pot |
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| 01:58.18 | DawnLight | then you'd have to change your nick to better suit your toxication level |
| 01:59.59 | mrrcp | if i have a ip of 192.168.2.0 what should my subnet be in |
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| 02:01.24 | stoned | 3x255.9 |
| 02:01.24 | Tramp | mrrcp: hmm. if .0 is the IP most probably /16 (255.255.0.0) I'd say. |
| 02:01.24 | stoned | er.. 0 |
| 02:01.35 | stoned | Tramp: why |
| 02:01.41 | Tramp | stoned: no. Then his IP is the subnet ip |
| 02:01.44 | wfq | good night |
| 02:02.05 | wfq | How could I know what the locale by default is set up on the system? |
| 02:02.05 | mrrcp | hrm |
| 02:02.09 | mrrcp | 255.255.255.0 |
| 02:02.10 | mrrcp | ? |
| 02:02.11 | wfq | locale -a shows a lot |
| 02:02.18 | wfq | and cat /etc/enviroment nothing |
| 02:02.53 | stoned | its /24 my man |
| 02:03.02 | stoned | one subnet and 256 nodes |
| 02:03.10 | stoned | 255.255.255.0 |
| 02:03.14 | stoned | on 192.168.2.0 |
| 02:03.17 | Tramp | stoned: If his host IP is 192.168.2.0? |
| 02:03.34 | stoned | unless im really high |
| 02:03.35 | stoned | hang on |
| 02:03.36 | stoned | man |
| 02:03.57 | stoned | i think so |
| 02:04.06 | stoned | my network is a bit rusty but i think that should be it |
| 02:04.32 | mrrcp | or 255.255.255.255 |
| 02:04.33 | mrrcp | ? |
| 02:04.34 | holycow | *hmmm* |
| 02:04.42 | mrrcp | im trying to setupa tun00 |
| 02:04.45 | Tramp | with /24 you have subnet, broadcast and 254 useable IPs, from .1 to .254. |
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| 02:05.26 | stoned | how many subnets though? |
| 02:05.36 | stoned | he wants only 1? |
| 02:05.40 | stoned | what does he want to do |
| 02:05.41 | mrrcp | no |
| 02:05.45 | holycow | when debian searches the network for a dns server, how is that done? for example if resolv.conf has a domain listed to search for it does what ... it searches out the domain controller and requests dns entries? |
| 02:05.48 | mrrcp | its a vpn |
| 02:05.58 | stoned | !wayttd mrrcp |
| 02:05.58 | dpkg | What Are You Trying To Do, mrrcp? |
| 02:06.10 | mrrcp | HEH |
| 02:06.15 | xulf | what is the debain package for mod_status ? |
| 02:07.11 | stoned | Tramp: when i said 256 i included network & broadcast addresses |
| 02:07.57 | mrrcp | Tell me if u see anything wrong with my ip or subnet setup |
| 02:07.58 | mrrcp | http://www.pastebin.ca/794380 |
| 02:08.06 | Gun_Smoke | boy, I just install VMware.. I thought it would be like pulling teeth.. |
| 02:08.15 | Tramp | stoned: his question was "my IP is .2.0 what is my subnet". When .0 is the IP, the only subnet enclosing it is the /16 (192.168.0.0) |
| 02:10.04 | Tramp | if /24 is his subnet/netmask, then 2.0 cannot be his IP - or the assertion (".2.0 is my IP") is wrong in the first place. |
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| 02:10.47 | mrrcp | ok |
| 02:10.48 | Tramp | xulf: afaik it's in the apache2-package - probably not enabled by default. |
| 02:10.50 | mrrcp | here is one |
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| 02:11.08 | mrrcp | My eth0 uses subnet and ip 192.168.1.50 255.255.255.0 |
| 02:11.33 | mrrcp | Can i use on my VPN SERVER 192.168.2.1 and 255.255.255.0 also |
| 02:11.33 | mrrcp | ? |
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| 02:11.56 | mrrcp | can i have the same subnet is what im asking |
| 02:12.02 | mrrcp | or will it screw up somthing |
| 02:12.26 | epsilon | subnet != netmask |
| 02:12.32 | Tramp | mrrcp: these are obviously two different subnets with a /24 netmask |
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| 02:13.31 | mrrcp | heh |
| 02:13.36 | Tramp | mrrcp: it's the 192.168.1.0/24 and ~2.0/24 subnet. |
| 02:13.47 | Web-sidux379 | does this look like a bug? should i submit it? http://www.pastebin.ca/794383 On Sid |
| 02:13.58 | mrrcp | o |
| 02:14.01 | mrrcp | so they can stay the same |
| 02:14.05 | mrrcp | np? |
| 02:14.55 | Tramp | mrrcp: Without knowing what you are doing exactly, I'd say "probably yes". |
| 02:15.06 | mrrcp | Makeing a VPN |
| 02:15.14 | Tramp | have phun. |
| 02:15.14 | epsilon | .oO make it so |
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| 02:15.21 | mrrcp | so i can VPN to my server |
| 02:15.36 | mrrcp | it already works |
| 02:15.44 | mrrcp | im just wondering if i setup the IP correct |
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| 02:20.31 | holycow | how do you force a new dns lookup so that the list of dns servers shows up again? |
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| 02:23.07 | lubos_ | Tramp: http://pastebin.com/m2207ad9b |
| 02:25.12 | lubos_ | Tramp: where my gateway is 10.1.1.1 . No Idea what is wrong.. |
| 02:25.57 | xulf | When I type: apt-get install lynx... Why does it say: |
| 02:26.00 | xulf | The following packages will be REMOVED: |
| 02:26.00 | xulf | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:26.18 | Tramp | lubos_: hmm. yeah, looks ok. Do you have the output of the ping and/or the tcpdump as well? |
| 02:26.31 | xulf | Id like to use lynx but not if its going to destroy my system |
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| 02:27.46 | lubos_ | Tramp: I do not have tcpdump installed..:-( ian I ca not install it because no connection :-)) I will restart I give you output of ping.. |
| 02:27.50 | Rickywh | yo |
| 02:28.09 | Rickywh | SYSLOGD="" // i cannot find this line in my /etc/init.d/sysklogd file |
| 02:28.16 | Rickywh | what gives? |
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| 02:29.54 | Rickywh | did it change in recent versions of bind? |
| 02:30.36 | Rickywh | i mean recent versions of debian? |
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| 02:33.36 | Tramp | Rickywh: /etc/default/syslogd? |
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| 02:34.35 | Rickywh | i'm out of memory now and machine won't boot |
| 02:34.43 | Rickywh | something about killing 60 children |
| 02:35.19 | Rickywh | syslogd score 61 and children |
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| 02:36.22 | holycow | does anyone know how to force resolv.conf to search the domain again? man pages aren't terribly clear on this |
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| 02:36.57 | Tramp | holycow: I'd like to help, but I don't understand your question. |
| 02:37.18 | Dewi | what's the correct way to install perl modules in debian? |
| 02:37.23 | Dewi | not everything in CPAN is packaged |
| 02:38.00 | Rickywh | it's ok reinstlal debian now and never ever change lines in configs without first copying the line and comment it out |
| 02:38.02 | holycow | Tramp: no worries i'm probably not being clear. i need to get debian to 'search' for dns severs on my network. a couple of my debian servers started to show extra dns nameserves beyond the single one on my network so i'm curious where its comming from |
| 02:38.34 | holycow | in other words i need to replicate the the dns search to see what it brings up again |
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| 02:39.16 | lubos_ | Tramp: http://pastebin.com/m2bb5e410 |
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| 02:39.53 | Tramp | holycow: a system does not "search" for dns servers. You tell it in resolv.conf which servers to use. |
| 02:40.14 | holycow | Tramp: thats odd, mine ONLY had one and mysteriously 2 others appeared |
| 02:40.30 | Tramp | holycow: "appeared" where? |
| 02:40.31 | lubos_ | Tramp: it seem like debian can not handle my new network cards or something. Ubuntu feisty have no problems. |
| 02:40.34 | guhhh | hey |
| 02:40.36 | guhhh | is there any way that i can recover my system? |
| 02:40.38 | guhhh | its all messed up! |
| 02:40.38 | holycow | Tramp: in resolv.conf file |
| 02:40.51 | Tramp | holycow: ah. They probably came via dhcp then |
| 02:41.20 | holycow | oh its a dhcp protocol thing then? |
| 02:41.43 | holycow | rather i mean thats handled via dchp protocol, makes sense |
| 02:41.47 | Tramp | holycow: If you get IPs via dhcp you (usually) also get the nameservers and possibly other stuff |
| 02:42.05 | Tramp | holycow: e.g. the default GW etc. |
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| 02:43.16 | Tramp | lubos_: well - it looks ok to me from the network side, so my best guess is indeed, that is has something to do with the kernel/modules. |
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| 02:44.31 | Tramp | lubos_: Unless somebody has a better idea (I assume you already googled for problems with your hardware) I would suggest to compare the boot messages from Debian with ubuntu (which module handles eth0, what does it say etc.) |
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| 02:44.50 | lubos_ | I have tryied etch as well as lenny ...both the same problem.. |
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| 02:45.48 | lubos_ | Tramp: i'll do that... |
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| 02:46.25 | Tramp | lubos_: I think it is neither a particulary new nor rare Controller. |
| 02:46.26 | guhhh | if my system is lost, what should i copy to make a backup? /usr /var /etc /home ....? |
| 02:47.28 | liable | guhhh: /home and /etc if you have made some changes to your configs |
| 02:48.02 | Claudio32m | if i have 2 debian boxes running on my network, when a ssh request is made from the internet on the default port how will it know to which box to send the request to if they use the same port? would i have to define a different port? |
| 02:49.22 | Tramp | Claudio32m: Well, your 2 systems have different IPs, don't they? |
| 02:49.32 | Claudio32m | internally yes, not from the internet though |
| 02:50.00 | Tramp | Claudio32m: see. So maybe you enlighten us about more about your network setup. |
| 02:50.19 | Tramp | Claudio32m: otherwise it will be next to impossible to given an educated answer. |
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| 02:50.49 | Claudio32m | right now i have forwarding in my router... so when a request comes in port 22 its forwarded to machine 192.168.1.104 for example |
| 02:51.10 | Claudio32m | if i add another machine for port 22 |
| 02:51.20 | Claudio32m | it would get confused if i pointed it to a different internal ip |
| 02:51.27 | Claudio32m | i think i will have to use 2 ports |
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| 02:52.14 | Tramp | Claudio32m: If you have only 1 external (public) IP, the different connections obviously have to be dicriminated externally somehow. |
| 02:52.34 | Claudio32m | allright |
| 02:52.40 | Claudio32m | its not a big deal anyways cause its for my own use |
| 02:53.21 | Tramp | Claudio32m: i.e. people connect to <external>:22 or <external>:222. Then the router forwards :22 to .104:22 and 222 to 104:22 |
| 02:53.33 | Tramp | *105:22 |
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| 02:53.44 | Claudio32m | yeah |
| 02:53.56 | Claudio32m | thats what i thought to.. just wanted to check with you guys |
| 02:54.11 | Tramp | Claudio32m: but this requires your router to map the port - which may be possible or not, depending on your router. |
| 02:54.34 | Claudio32m | cool thanks |
| 02:54.46 | Tramp | np |
| 02:55.24 | Claudio32m | actually |
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| 02:55.27 | Claudio32m | on the same topic |
| 02:55.48 | Claudio32m | in my router i noticed they ask for a range of ports.. why? dont you want to forward one port at a time? |
| 02:55.57 | Claudio32m | so i always put 22 to 22 |
| 02:56.14 | liable | Claudio32m: for things like torrents i guess |
| 02:56.19 | Claudio32m | ahh ok |
| 02:57.11 | liable | or you could say, forward 21-25 to one box for instance and cover three services |
| 02:57.47 | Claudio32m | ahh yes |
| 02:58.13 | Claudio32m | those requests would then link to the internal ports of that respective machine? |
| 02:58.43 | liable | any request to one of those ports will get sent to that box, ya |
| 02:58.49 | Claudio32m | gotcha |
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| 03:01.07 | sander_ | When partitioning my system disk in the debian installer I got this error message: Input/output error during read on /dev/scsihost0/bus0/target0/lun0/disk ERROR!! Retry/ignore/cancle |
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| 03:01.24 | sander_ | Wondring what could be wrong.. is the disk broken? |
| 03:01.35 | liable | are you using the sarge installer? |
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| 03:02.42 | sander_ | I downloaded debian-40r1-i386-netinst.iso |
| 03:02.49 | sander_ | Is that the sarge installer? |
| 03:03.19 | liable | nope |
| 03:03.30 | sander_ | What is it then? |
| 03:03.39 | sander_ | And.. should I use something else? |
| 03:03.46 | liable | the etch one, the one you should use |
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| 03:04.44 | liable | sander_: does it always give the error on retry? |
| 03:04.55 | cein | so what do you think of the apt-queue idea |
| 03:05.08 | sander_ | liable, Only when I have a swap drive to format |
| 03:05.30 | liable | sander_: any swap drive or always one particular one? |
| 03:05.38 | liable | is the drive ok? |
| 03:05.41 | sander_ | Any swap drive |
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| 03:05.50 | sander_ | I tried two diffrent hd's |
| 03:05.55 | sander_ | both is new ones |
| 03:06.05 | liable | sander_: hrm, odd. |
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| 03:06.17 | liable | sander_: and the cable? |
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| 03:06.37 | sander_ | I see the hd's in the bios. So I doubt its the cable |
| 03:07.00 | sander_ | Its two sata hd's |
| 03:07.08 | liable | or try another port if you have a spare |
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| 03:08.01 | sander_ | Hmm.. Well.. when I first formatted the / partition.. and then formatted a swap partition in two diffrent steps.. it worked |
| 03:08.19 | liable | dunno |
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| 03:08.30 | sander_ | But then the installer stopped up when downloading all its packages |
| 03:08.41 | liable | if you just want to get installed, you can forgo making a swap partition and make a swap file later |
| 03:09.12 | liable | the installer seems to be baulking on that step for a lot of people lately |
| 03:09.31 | deadcat_ | what gives: Xlib: Maximum number of clients reached |
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| 03:09.53 | liable | when it does that to me, i just install without the net plugged in and install base from cd, then update after boot |
| 03:09.54 | holycow | thx guys, turned out to be dhcp config problem |
| 03:10.01 | holycow | brainstorming helped track down the issue |
| 03:10.03 | holycow | appreciate it |
| 03:10.17 | sander_ | liable, which iso netinst image should I use.. and where can I locate it? |
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| 03:10.29 | liable | sander_: the one you have should work |
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| 03:11.29 | sander_ | ok |
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| 03:19.38 | deadcat_ | Xlib: Maximum number of clients reached <-- what do i do? |
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| 03:21.23 | nivanson | Hi, can I use Debian AMD64 on Intel Core 2 Duo? Any known problems except no adobe flash player? |
| 03:21.48 | CaT[tm] | go for it. |
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| 03:22.41 | guhhh | im having problems with permissions in the compromised system... is there any way i can copy the files that im having permissions problems to copy? |
| 03:22.53 | netdaemon | whats the "groupbox" equivalent in glade? |
| 03:23.01 | acu01 | I want to go back from lenny to etch - too many things are not complete - however I choose lenny because my Nvidia Nforce network card was not recognized by Etch kernel 2.6.18 - and lenny's 2.6.22 did it - now I am puzzled whether reversing to the etch - will discontinue the NVIDIA network card |
| 03:23.26 | netdaemon | acu, you could run a mixture of the 2 |
| 03:23.58 | acu01 | netdaemon: that would be cool - however I know nothing about pining |
| 03:24.31 | acu01 | netdaemon: maybe I should spend a neuron - and give it a try |
| 03:24.50 | acu01 | so I just to the repository etch contrib non-free main ? |
| 03:25.26 | netdaemon | well i run a mixture of lenny and sid...i have both repos in my sources.list |
| 03:25.27 | troubled | !pinning |
| 03:25.27 | dpkg | If you are running stable, don't pin; use a backport. Ask me about <backports> or <simple sid backport>. If you're using testing, man apt_preferences or see http://wiki.debian.org/AptPinning. |
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| 03:26.02 | acu01 | troubled: doing now the homework |
| 03:26.17 | nivanson | CaT[tm]: ok! thank you |
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| 03:29.55 | acu01 | until then I have to make the BROADCOM 1490 wireless card and my HP webcam (CHICONY) built in to work with linux - I downloaded bcmwl6.sys what else I need to install it ? |
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| 03:32.05 | tonsofpcs | Running sarge, I suddenly started having crashes ending with "error waiting for DMA", after a few "multwrite_intr: status=0x51" |
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| 03:32.19 | TurboBee | how do i change the text in my title bar for xterm |
| 03:32.24 | TurboBee | so I know which terminal has what in it |
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| 03:37.23 | jimmybgood | tonsofpcs: backup everything you need while the drive is still alive |
| 03:38.17 | DawnLight | right ^ |
| 03:40.18 | stoned | man xterm |
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| 03:42.08 | TurboBee | hat is the bell character on my keyboard |
| 03:42.13 | TurboBee | what* |
| 03:44.24 | DawnLight | bell? hmmm |
| 03:44.27 | DawnLight | !bell |
| 03:44.27 | dpkg | i heard bell is "xset b off" in X, or "setterm -blength 0" in console . For some reason, bash beeps excessively when in emacs (default) mode. "set -o vi" puts it in vi editing mode, which doesn't beep on partial completions. See also <shell beep>. or "set bell-style none" in ~/.inputrc |
| 03:45.01 | DawnLight | !shell beep |
| 03:45.02 | dpkg | methinks shell beep is man inputrc ; man readline (i.e. edit ~/.inputrc and set bell-style none) - also man setterm. |
| 03:45.23 | DawnLight | TurboBee: bzzt |
| 03:45.30 | TurboBee | bzzt |
| 03:45.40 | TurboBee | i think bell might be ctrl +G |
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| 03:47.27 | TurboBee | http://www.faqs.org/faqs/x-faq/part2/section-15.html this doesn't work for me, does anyone else using xterm get the same result? |
| 03:47.34 | rcbarnes | nvidia binary drivers: still broken in lenny? |
| 03:50.49 | dalias | nvidia binary drivers are fundamentally broken whatever your os/dist/release/etc. |
| 03:54.58 | TurboBee | ok so I can change my xterm title for a split second by starting it like this, xterm -T "bthis is a test", after that split second it changes back into user@debian: ~ |
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| 03:59.44 | Nyle | !token |
| 04:00.10 | Claudio32m | is there an assembler compiler/linker i can get through apt-get install ? |
| 04:00.22 | Nyle | !b-e |
| 04:00.23 | dpkg | If you get errors saying gcc cannot create executables, or that you can't find header files like stdio.h, you need to apt-get install build-essential. See also <qotd49>. |
| 04:00.52 | Nyle | or you want like actual assembler |
| 04:01.00 | Claudio32m | yeah asm |
| 04:01.07 | Claudio32m | MOV AH,05 |
| 04:01.09 | Claudio32m | type thing |
| 04:01.30 | dalias | as |
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| 04:01.34 | Claudio32m | not inline |
| 04:01.37 | Claudio32m | direct assembler |
| 04:01.38 | dalias | as |
| 04:01.46 | Claudio32m | oh |
| 04:01.46 | Claudio32m | hehe |
| 04:01.48 | dalias | but better to use gcc to call as for you |
| 04:01.48 | Nyle | have you tried searching |
| 04:01.51 | Nyle | !search |
| 04:01.51 | dpkg | it has been said that search is try 'apt-cache search <regex>', if you want to know what package owns a file use dpkg -S /bin/foo. To find a package based on what files it includes use 'aptitude install apt-file;apt-file update;apt-file search foo'. Use http://packages.debian.org if you're not on a debian system. /msg <bot> find <thing> if you're already here. /msg <bot> listkeys <thing> to find factoids containing <thing>. see ... |
| 04:01.53 | dalias | gcc -c -o foo.o foo.s |
| 04:02.03 | Claudio32m | thanks Nyle |
| 04:02.13 | Nyle | !asm |
| 04:02.13 | dpkg | [asm] a sweet system-level programming language, or linuxasm.org, or <-- LinuxAssembly.org instead |
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| 04:03.10 | Claudio32m | apt-cache command is a global repository of available online packages? |
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| 04:04.55 | simonrvn | Nyle: pong |
| 04:05.08 | Nyle | simonrvn: whats up |
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| 04:05.21 | Nyle | simonrvn: did you eat a turkey? |
| 04:05.40 | simonrvn | no, went drumming |
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| 04:07.02 | cerros | javier_galicia |
| 04:07.09 | cerros | are you here? |
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| 04:13.51 | simonrvn | wth would i eat a turkey when u.s. thanksgiving is to celebrate genocide? no thanks |
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| 04:16.47 | Nyle | hm |
| 04:16.52 | Nyle | im not american or white |
| 04:16.58 | Nyle | I give thanks too on this day |
| 04:17.08 | Nyle | i never do all year round, i just take 1 day out of the year to do it |
| 04:17.12 | Nyle | this is how arrogant i am |
| 04:17.44 | Nyle | </sarcasm> |
| 04:18.14 | Nyle | increase power level to reactor |
| 04:18.21 | Nyle | access denied |
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| 04:18.42 | simonrvn | it just angers me, angry at the ignorance of people |
| 04:18.51 | Nyle | simonrvn: how do you mean |
| 04:19.11 | Nyle | man why does my room smell like a dumpstr |
| 04:19.22 | DawnLight | man room |
| 04:19.24 | Nyle | I swear to god i keep getting random whiffs of garbage |
| 04:19.33 | simonrvn | that people think they're celebrating something good, when 'thanksgiving' means something else. |
| 04:19.35 | Nyle | my room is pretty clean |
| 04:19.40 | Nyle | simonrvn: what does it mean |
| 04:20.15 | Nyle | simonrvn: and you're not the only people the british fucked over |
| 04:20.22 | simonrvn | the pilgrims down in virginia were celegrating the fact that they had managed to chase off/kill all the indigenous people |
| 04:20.36 | Nyle | simonrvn: you gotta be shitting me |
| 04:20.38 | simonrvn | Nyle: oh i'm quite aware of that. they've fucked everyone |
| 04:20.48 | Nyle | are you serious? |
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| 04:20.56 | Nyle | that is the origin of the thanksgiving day? |
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| 04:21.03 | simonrvn | i wouldn't say it like that if i weren't ;) |
| 04:21.10 | DawnLight | i don't think that there's one mainstream tradition that is being followed with awareness to what it means |
| 04:21.19 | simonrvn | exactly |
| 04:22.41 | DawnLight | there are a few researchers writing on this topic exactly |
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| 04:23.33 | Nyle | man that is fucked up |
| 04:23.45 | DawnLight | i am often surprised at the true meaning of christian/western traidtions/holidays/dates |
| 04:24.07 | Nyle | I dunno if anyone ever celebrated well... I don't really recall any big battles in the subindian continent |
| 04:24.28 | Nyle | the british came, dominated, stayed, left and now we're worse off than before |
| 04:25.10 | simonrvn | they imposed their way of doings, and folks have been damaged by it since |
| 04:25.28 | DawnLight | you don't like tea breaks? |
| 04:25.35 | simonrvn | the english weren't the only ones either |
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| 04:25.59 | simonrvn | i don't take tea breaks ;) |
| 04:26.15 | Nyle | I have a glazed choc donut |
| 04:26.29 | Arrick | hey all, is it typical of the netstat installer to hang for a long time at 31% while installing the base system? |
| 04:26.54 | DawnLight | netinst? |
| 04:26.55 | Nyle | NETINST |
| 04:27.01 | Arrick | yeah, that |
| 04:27.02 | Nyle | and maybe its not hung |
| 04:27.09 | Nyle | try alt+f4 |
| 04:27.14 | Nyle | see whats going on |
| 04:27.28 | Nyle | if not go to alt+f2 and look at the process list |
| 04:27.44 | Nyle | kill a process you think might have hung, go back into debian installer menu and redo the step |
| 04:27.53 | sikkle | is there any reason to get thing like rc0.d rc1.d and not rc.d directory after fresh installation ? |
| 04:28.00 | Nyle | sometimes a connection problem occurs while downloading the base system |
| 04:28.07 | Nyle | it hangs sometimes ime |
| 04:28.53 | Arrick | aic7xxx_aboirtr returns 0x2002, this keeps coming up repeatedly |
| 04:28.56 | Nyle | afaik you are installing debian in a virtual machine and most of the time for me anyway vm networking has been horribly unreliable over long periods of time |
| 04:28.57 | Arrick | abort |
| 04:29.02 | simonrvn | yeh, me too, i put it down to the vagaries of the 'net |
| 04:29.32 | simonrvn | hm, sounds nasty. that's a scsi driver |
| 04:30.52 | sikkle | is there any reason to get thing like rc0.d rc1.d and not rc.d directory after fresh installation ? |
| 04:30.59 | sikkle | someone know ? |
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| 04:32.31 | Nyle | !rc.d |
| 04:32.31 | dpkg | Debian is not DeadRat. There is no /etc/rc.d/*. Everything you want is in /etc/*. try (on debian) 'man update-rc.d', or ask me about <red hat tools> |
| 04:32.46 | Nyle | lol |
| 04:32.48 | Nyle | deadrat |
| 04:32.53 | kgoetz | deadrat? |
| 04:32.57 | Nyle | redhat |
| 04:33.01 | kgoetz | oh, lol |
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| 04:37.01 | robboplus | is it safe to mount --bind a live patition that is being used by another machine? |
| 04:37.09 | robboplus | partition* |
| 04:37.21 | Arrick | no |
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| 04:38.34 | robboplus | Arrick how about read-only mount? |
| 04:38.45 | Arrick | that would be fine |
| 04:39.05 | robboplus | as you could imagine the partition in question is being used by a vm |
| 04:39.15 | robboplus | and i just need some data off it moved to host |
| 04:39.55 | robboplus | so do you think it's absolutely safe to mount in read-only? |
| 04:41.20 | Arrick | read only should be fine |
| 04:41.57 | robboplus | it wouldn't write a byte to that partition then, right? |
| 04:42.07 | Arrick | nope |
| 04:42.07 | robboplus | just "sniff" it |
| 04:42.26 | robboplus | i went tru hell last night after mounting read-write... |
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| 04:42.42 | vetri | how to monitor all the process.... |
| 04:42.48 | robboplus | so i don't want it again :) |
| 04:43.02 | robboplus | vetri ps aux? |
| 04:43.26 | vetri | i want check history also what happened privious |
| 04:43.47 | robboplus | history? |
| 04:44.03 | robboplus | so type: history |
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| 04:44.12 | josht | Does something like unison exist for music, which could do re-encoding on the fly, so I could keep huge FLAC files on a server with a big drive, and small Ogg or MP3 files on a laptop? |
| 04:44.12 | vetri | it only used for current process |
| 04:44.33 | robboplus | josht i love lossless :) |
| 04:44.48 | robboplus | and they aren't huge, they just are sounding right :) |
| 04:45.14 | vetri | including time which time what process run like that sir |
| 04:45.40 | josht | vetri: Look into the acct mechanism. |
| 04:45.46 | Arrick | hd space is so cheap, why bother?: |
| 04:46.06 | robboplus | Arrick that's it! |
| 04:46.09 | josht | robboplus: Same here. I use it to rip CDs so I never have to do so again, particularly important since I have some old CDs which don't consistently rip anymore. |
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| 04:46.32 | josht | Arrick: Because I have a 500GB disk in my server and a much smaller disk on my laptop. :)] |
| 04:46.33 | robboplus | josht that sounds great, same here :) |
| 04:46.50 | josht | s/]// |
| 04:47.01 | robboplus | josht if you want a QUALITY format go for mpc instead, not mp3 |
| 04:47.03 | Arrick | JoshH, then make a webserver, and host your music (securly of course) so that you can access anywhere |
| 04:47.16 | Nyle | thats what I do |
| 04:47.20 | Arrick | me too |
| 04:47.24 | Nyle | I run apache 1.3 |
| 04:47.26 | sparr | how can i find the UUID of an ext3 partition? |
| 04:47.28 | nvz | is there some special name for the software on a pocket pc? I am looking to flash the damn thing and I can't find the firmware anywhere |
| 04:47.31 | robboplus | josht mpc is the only "small ripoff" or original audio that i accept, PLEASE don't use mp3 |
| 04:47.35 | josht | Arrick: Wrong person. And that would only work when I have network access. I actually use my laptop as a portable device. |
| 04:47.36 | Nyle | nvz: hey man whats up |
| 04:47.37 | robboplus | of* |
| 04:47.53 | nvz | Nyle: trying to find something to put on this damn ppc |
| 04:47.55 | Nyle | nvz: i never owned one of those devilish devices |
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| 04:48.11 | Nyle | nvz: when you say ppc you mean pocket pc |
| 04:48.15 | nvz | yes |
| 04:48.20 | Nyle | but ppc is usually known as |
| 04:48.22 | Nyle | well you know |
| 04:48.31 | Nyle | maybe you should just say pocket pc |
| 04:48.32 | Nyle | ;) |
| 04:48.33 | robboplus | josht google for musepack and compare the quality and dynamics... while mpc is basically SAME size as mp3 after compression, really good format giving full spectrum etc. |
| 04:48.51 | nvz | maybe the damn manufacturere should tell me where the fuck to get the software but they dont |
| 04:49.06 | robboplus | in the insane mode you can hardly tell it's not CD anymore (up to 21kHz) |
| 04:49.06 | nvz | I need something to put on this cf card so I can flash the device |
| 04:49.08 | josht | robboplus: Just using mp3 as an example. I normally use Vorbis. |
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| 04:49.15 | Nyle | you can try to put linux on a pocket pc |
| 04:49.23 | nvz | no I cant |
| 04:49.29 | Nyle | its not yours? |
| 04:49.34 | nvz | cause it won't boot without windows to load it from |
| 04:49.39 | nvz | and I don't have it booting to anything |
| 04:49.39 | Nyle | hm |
| 04:49.44 | robboplus | JoshH ogg/vorbis is not a format - it's just a container, kind of wrapper around mp3 |
| 04:49.44 | Arrick | so write an MCE port |
| 04:50.01 | josht | robboplus: Uh, no. |
| 04:50.05 | robboplus | ok. |
| 04:50.09 | Arrick | uhm,,, yes |
| 04:50.14 | josht | robboplus: Ogg provides a container. Vorbis provides a music codec. |
| 04:50.22 | cast | lol. |
| 04:50.23 | josht | robboplus: Neither provides a wrapper around mp3. |
| 04:50.33 | Nyle | maybe he used mp3 as an example |
| 04:50.34 | robboplus | my question is: what is the proper format for mount read-only? |
| 04:50.35 | Nyle | a bad one |
| 04:50.45 | Nyle | mount -o rw |
| 04:50.46 | Nyle | ? |
| 04:50.50 | Nyle | er.. o |
| 04:50.51 | Nyle | ro |
| 04:50.51 | robboplus | Nyle rw? |
| 04:50.54 | Arrick | no write |
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| 04:50.58 | robboplus | ok ;) |
| 04:50.59 | Nyle | cranial flatulance |
| 04:51.05 | Nyle | it happens |
| 04:51.27 | robboplus | mount --bind -o ro /dev/sdb1 /FLAC ? :) |
| 04:51.46 | Arrick | Nyle, as long as the song "smoke in your eyes" isnt literally playing |
| 04:51.50 | robboplus | just making VERY sure after the trauma i went tru last night when mounting a live partition r-w |
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| 04:52.05 | cast | --bind is not what you want. |
| 04:52.10 | robboplus | cast why not? |
| 04:52.13 | Nyle | sikkle: im on the lookout for a good video camera |
| 04:52.19 | Nyle | simonrvn: ^^ |
| 04:52.26 | Nyle | sikkle: not you |
| 04:52.30 | robboplus | cast that partition is mounted elsewhere at the same time |
| 04:52.43 | Nyle | I made some crappy videos while on a cell phone camera |
| 04:52.44 | acu01 | guys I am so confused: I want to install a broadcom wireless in an AMD64 laptop - I got from vista32 bcmwl6 then run bcm43xx-fwcutter bcmwl6.sys |
| 04:52.48 | Nyle | but they suck |
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| 04:53.12 | Nyle | !bcm |
| 04:53.17 | Nyle | !bcm43xx |
| 04:53.17 | dpkg | bcm43xx is a driver for Broadcom's wireless chipsets (http://bcm43xx.berlios.de/) included in kernels since 2.6.17-rc2, "modprobe bcm43xx" in Etch. Firmware required to be loaded before operation, ask me about <bcm43xx-fwcutter>. Replaced with <b43legacy> in kernels 2.6.24 and later. USB devices are not supported. |
| 04:53.26 | robboplus | Arrick may i please ask you? is this fine for dual mount? mount --bind -o ro /dev/sdb1 /FLAC |
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| 04:53.44 | Arrick | robboplus, uhmm, ask the other guys, I normally dont play with linux |
| 04:53.55 | Arrick | I just know mounting a parittion in read only should be safe |
| 04:53.56 | josht | robboplus: Only if you mount ro both places. |
| 04:53.58 | cast | robboplus: tell me how well it works then, i'm suspect of mounting the same fs twice, ro and rw |
| 04:54.16 | Arrick | cast, TWO differnet systems |
| 04:54.25 | Arrick | sorry abotu the caps, locks was hit |
| 04:54.33 | robboplus | josht so not possible to mount the same device ro and rw in two places at the same time? |
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| 04:54.40 | acu01 | some people use ndiswrap (using inf files) what is the difference |
| 04:54.45 | robboplus | josht it doesn't sound right to me... |
| 04:54.50 | josht | robboplus: Wait, --bind can do that, sorry. |
| 04:54.53 | acu01 | I have lenny installed and has no modprob |
| 04:54.54 | robboplus | eh. |
| 04:55.00 | josht | robboplus: Didn't see that you wrote again and mentioned bind. |
| 04:55.02 | robboplus | i'm even more confused now |
| 04:55.09 | vetri | josht,acct mechanism means? |
| 04:55.27 | CaT[tm] | is there a command that'll allow one to move the X11 mouse cursor about? |
| 04:55.33 | josht | robboplus: Hmmm. OK. mount --bind /dir1 /dir2 makes /dir1 appear at /dir2 as well. It doesn't work with a device. |
| 04:55.55 | robboplus | josht i'm trying to "spy" on a partition that is actually mounted read-write in some vm, i need to mount it on host for a sec to copy some files.. and i'm scared |
| 04:56.08 | robboplus | the vm is up of course |
| 04:56.10 | josht | robboplus: You can mount with -o ro and it won' |
| 04:56.24 | josht | won't do any harm. It might not see an accurate view of the FS, though, and it might get confused. |
| 04:56.43 | robboplus | josht arrgh so --bind is actually for mountpoints, not for devices |
| 04:56.58 | josht | robboplus: Directories in general; not necessarily just mountpoints. |
| 04:57.04 | robboplus | i read you |
| 04:57.19 | robboplus | but you say mount -o ro is OK and safe so i won't destroy the live fs in that "box" |
| 04:57.32 | josht | robboplus: To the best of my knowledge, yes. |
| 04:57.34 | robboplus | just mounting it on host to copy a few files from there |
| 04:57.47 | robboplus | i went tru hell last night when mounting rw... everything died |
| 04:57.54 | cast | and the vm has no net access? |
| 04:57.55 | robboplus | and i luckily recovered the fs... |
| 04:58.00 | robboplus | cast it does |
| 04:58.16 | josht | robboplus: In that case you might want to copy via the virtual network. |
| 04:58.17 | cast | i'd use netcat and tar then, less fucking around |
| 04:58.26 | josht | Or scp, or sshfs. |
| 04:58.29 | robboplus | cast but why transfer 300 gigs over network if i could just copy over partitions |
| 04:58.32 | cast | well, those are slower :P |
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| 04:58.42 | cast | as debian doesn't have sshd support for the null cipher |
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| 04:58.48 | josht | robboplus: Copying over the virtual network has very little overhead, much like copying over localhost. |
| 04:58.49 | GhostlyDeath | In GNOME's system monitor, does sleeping mean the app called "sleep()", "nanosleep()" and such? |
| 04:58.51 | Strogg | 'lo all |
| 04:58.55 | robboplus | josht i have no virtual network there.. will be working on it soon, heard it's nice |
| 04:58.55 | cast | robboplus: because its not actually over the network. |
| 04:59.32 | josht | cast: -c arcfour works quite fast, and in any case copies that large generally block on the disk, not the CPU. |
| 05:00.10 | josht | robboplus: If you have networking in the virtual machine, and the host machine bridges or routes for it, you have virtual networking. |
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| 05:00.30 | cast | josht: remember, localhost-localhost is 2x the normal cpu load of a scp move though, and encryption is pointless :P |
| 05:00.48 | josht | cast: True. |
| 05:01.04 | robboplus | josht in fact that vm is connected via bridge on host... |
| 05:01.14 | robboplus | josht but i got just one interface up in guest |
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| 05:01.25 | josht | robboplus: Does the guest run SSH? |
| 05:01.25 | robboplus | josht how do i use the virtual network? very curious to try |
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| 05:01.32 | robboplus | josht yes it does |
| 05:01.43 | robboplus | josht it got it's own routable ip and stuff :) |
| 05:02.03 | josht | robboplus: Try copying between the machines. See how fast it goes. I would hope the bridge mechanism does the right thing. |
| 05:02.11 | robboplus | josht i thought i would need a secondary virtual nic |
| 05:02.17 | Strogg | Does anyone know what causes this error http://pastey.net/77833 and how I can fix it? It happened when I was uninstalling openoffice. |
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| 05:03.03 | josht | robboplus: Nope. If bridging does the smart thing and handles internal traffic internally, then the copy should run very fast. |
| 05:03.10 | josht | robboplus: Try it. |
| 05:04.33 | robboplus | josht: i can't even ping the vm's ip from host |
| 05:04.55 | robboplus | a little strange.. but true |
| 05:04.59 | josht | robboplus: OK, apparently the bridge did the *really* dumb thing. Sigh. |
| 05:05.07 | josht | robboplus: How do you have bridging configured? |
| 05:05.14 | robboplus | josht perhaps it needs some extra configuration? |
| 05:05.37 | robboplus | josht the host has eth0 set into promisc and i created br0 over it |
| 05:06.02 | robboplus | josht then the vmnet0 is connected to the br0 and that servers as the nic for vm |
| 05:06.46 | robboplus | josht and vm got its own routable ip as i have a few to spare |
| 05:07.19 | josht | robboplus: That should work. I don't know why you can't access the vm from the host. |
| 05:07.19 | robboplus | josht but there is no communication host<>vm over tcp/ip which i don't really get |
| 05:07.27 | josht | robboplus: Can you access the vm from other machines? |
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| 05:07.44 | robboplus | i can freely connect from whole world to it |
| 05:07.58 | robboplus | just not the host.. i always thought it was normal |
| 05:10.37 | josht | robboplus: Can you pastebin the output of "route -n", "ifconfig -a", and "brctl show br0"? |
| 05:12.50 | robboplus | josht i will 'censor' a bit if you don't mind? |
| 05:13.10 | robboplus | just give me a sec and it will be there |
| 05:13.11 | josht | robboplus: No problem. |
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| 05:13.37 | josht | robboplus: And no, normally bridges do allow you to access the guest from the host and vice versa. |
| 05:13.57 | robboplus | hm i suspect that there is something fishy about my current setup, just not sure what's wrong |
| 05:14.11 | robboplus | that bridge basically acts a little strange |
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| 05:14.27 | robboplus | nearly ready with paste, 1 more sec |
| 05:19.25 | josht | robboplus: Also, does either the guest or the host run other firewall rules? Those could potentially interfere. |
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| 05:20.58 | KI4IKL | I seem to have accidentally ran the command rm -rf /var/lib/dpkg...is there any way to fix this? |
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| 05:21.08 | dalias | ..... |
| 05:21.14 | dalias | accidentally? |
| 05:21.25 | KI4IKL | I meant to run /var/lib/dpkg/lock |
| 05:21.26 | DarkBahamut | hello everyone |
| 05:21.32 | KI4IKL | and though I had the lock on...but obviouslly didn't |
| 05:21.37 | dalias | :( |
| 05:21.41 | KI4IKL | Do I just remake the folder, or were there things of importance in it? |
| 05:21.41 | robboplus | josht: http://pastebin.ca/794510 |
| 05:21.57 | robboplus | josht: no, there is no firewall anywhere atm |
| 05:22.05 | dalias | yes, i think it has all the package management info in it.. |
| 05:22.06 | josht | KI4IKL: Numerous things of importance. Do you happen to have a backup of the list of packages on the system? |
| 05:22.22 | KI4IKL | it's the most basic system josht I have installed nothing. |
| 05:22.34 | KI4IKL | Is there a way to completely undo the rm -rf :S |
| 05:22.41 | dalias | no |
| 05:22.49 | josht | KI4IKL: No, once you've removed a file you can't un-remove it. |
| 05:22.53 | KI4IKL | shitaki |
| 05:22.56 | dalias | btw don't use -rf for removing individual files.. |
| 05:22.57 | josht | KI4IKL: However, you can recover from this. |
| 05:22.58 | KI4IKL | So what can I do? |
| 05:23.18 | DarkBahamut | hello everyone |
| 05:23.18 | KI4IKL | Cause I just spent 8 hours doing a debian net install and am NOT going through that again. |
| 05:23.30 | DarkBahamut | streuner: hey |
| 05:23.36 | dalias | 8 hours? |
| 05:23.40 | DarkBahamut | wols_: hey |
| 05:23.49 | josht | KI4IKL: First of all, every package installs documentation under /usr/share/doc/$packagename . Thus, "ls /usr/share/doc/' gives you a full list of packages on your system. |
| 05:23.49 | KI4IKL | really slow net |
| 05:23.56 | dalias | :( |
| 05:24.18 | dalias | well you could get a copy of this dir from someone else with a minimal install |
| 05:24.23 | josht | KI4IKL: Oh. Do you, by any chance, have packages in /var/cache/apt/archives/ ? |
| 05:24.25 | dalias | however things might break |
| 05:24.31 | DarkBahamut | anyone know what will happen to the boot menu from debian if i installed a new os? |
| 05:24.34 | dalias | oh good idea josht |
| 05:24.55 | KI4IKL | I ls'd the folder |
| 05:24.56 | robboplus | josht not sure if you got the url? no rushing of course, just making sure |
| 05:25.01 | KI4IKL | and I can paste all those on pastebin |
| 05:25.11 | josht | KI4IKL: No need. |
| 05:25.15 | KI4IKL | kk |
| 05:25.57 | robboplus | josht in fact i can't ping host>vm and vm>host.. perhaps there is a route missing? |
| 05:26.00 | josht | KI4IKL: You can reinstall all packages, re-obtaining their metadata, by feeding that list to apt-get --reinstall install, like this: apt-get --reinstall install `ls /usr/share/doc/` |
| 05:26.03 | wols_ | !tell DarkBahamut about ask |
| 05:26.15 | KI4IKL | so just do that ann all will be fixed? |
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| 05:26.39 | josht | KI4IKL: However, if you don't still have the packages in /var/cache/apt/archives, then that will re-download them, which could well take 8 hours again. Your system will continue to work in the meantime, though. |
| 05:26.49 | josht | robboplus: Looking at it. |
| 05:26.52 | KI4IKL | josht: they should still be there. |
| 05:27.00 | KI4IKL | I had just ran the command when I came in here |
| 05:27.06 | josht | KI4IKL: Give it a try, then. |
| 05:27.32 | robboplus | josht okok |
| 05:27.33 | KI4IKL | "could now open lock file /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (2 No such file or directory) |
| 05:27.48 | KI4IKL | now/not |
| 05:27.55 | josht | robboplus: "Sorry, an error has occurred. Reason: That is an invalid ID, or the post has expired." |
| 05:28.01 | DarkBahamut | wols_: i didnt do anything wrong when i asked did i? |
| 05:28.14 | josht | KI4IKL: As root, mkdir /var/lib/dpkg, and try again. |
| 05:28.38 | cast | can someone remind me as to the command to list all the uuids of my partitions |
| 05:28.40 | robboplus | josht... i set it to 5 mins... let me post again and sorry. |
| 05:28.48 | KI4IKL | "E: Could nto open file /var/lib/dpkg/status - open (2 No such file or directory /br/ E: The package lists or status file could not be parsed or opened" |
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| 05:29.13 | josht | KI4IKL: Hmmm. I had hoped dpkg could recreate some of that on its own. One moment. |
| 05:29.15 | dalias | there's probably some dpkg command needed to recreate it from scratch |
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| 05:30.10 | robboplus | josht: http://pastebin.ca/794514 |
| 05:30.27 | josht | robboplus: OK, opened; looking at it. |
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| 05:31.06 | DarkBahamut | if i have 2 operating. windows and debian with debians boot menu. what will happen to the boot menu if i was to re-install windows or install a different os in its place? |
| 05:32.04 | wols_ | what you did wrong was not asking |
| 05:32.08 | josht | DarkBahamut: Depends on the OS. Windows will overwrite the grub bootloader with its own. You can fix that from a boot disk (such as the installer disk) or in various other ways. |
| 05:32.22 | wols_ | DarkBahamut: nothing will happen, it will stay exactly like it is right now |
| 05:32.42 | robboplus | josht ok please take your time |
| 05:32.52 | wols_ | if you install another windows, it will continue to work, if you install another linux, it might or might not depending how you install |
| 05:32.56 | DarkBahamut | wols_: K. because i wanna install windows vista |
| 05:33.03 | KI4IKL | josht: any ideas? |
| 05:33.06 | Strogg | heheh |
| 05:33.10 | wols_ | DarkBahamut: poor you |
| 05:33.21 | DarkBahamut | wols_: o.O? |
| 05:33.27 | Strogg | I had to use vista for a bit yesterday.. it was ghastly. |
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| 05:33.55 | DarkBahamut | the new vista is awsome i just got it |
| 05:33.56 | wols_ | ewll, it's vista. tho as josht said: windosw will always overwrite the MBR , eg grub |
| 05:34.00 | Strogg | I was trying to shut it down, so I could get into the bios so I could install debian. Then I realized, it would be easier to just hold the power button for 7 seconds. :) |
| 05:34.01 | wols_ | so you will have to reinstall grub |
| 05:34.02 | DarkBahamut | windows vista ultimate |
| 05:34.02 | robboplus | josht basically whole networking seems a little loopy... like there was a kind of loop somewhere, e.g. i start losing alot of packets in tcpdump if there is some traffic in guest.. something just doesn't seem right, plus now you told me that no ping host<>vm also isn't right.. fishy. |
| 05:34.28 | josht | robboplus: Does eth0 represent your host's physical interface, and eth0:1 your guest? (Normally a guest appears as vif* or veth* or similar.) |
| 05:34.36 | Strogg | DarkBahamut: you didn't buy the Ultimate 2007 Megapak? |
| 05:34.39 | josht | KI4IKL: Thinking. |
| 05:35.20 | robboplus | josht eth0 is the physical nic on host and eth0:1 is just an ip alias that doesn't really do anything there, i could as well just remove that part in paste |
| 05:35.25 | DarkBahamut | Strogg: im not rly sure what it is someone gave it to me |
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| 05:35.33 | KI4IKL | josht: http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/examples/debian-package-database-rebuild |
| 05:35.36 | KI4IKL | That claims to be able to fix it |
| 05:35.48 | Strogg | DarkBahamut: was he wearing a trenchcoat and driving around in a white van? |
| 05:36.12 | josht | robboplus: OK, then what interface comes from the guest? |
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| 05:36.36 | DarkBahamut | Strogg: its too hot in hawaii to wear a trenchcoat and i didnt see his van |
| 05:37.12 | josht | KI4IKL: That looks promising. Give it a shot. It should recreate enough of dpkg's metadata to satisfy it. |
| 05:37.17 | DarkBahamut | Strogg: lol i dunno if he has a van |
| 05:37.21 | josht | KI4IKL: (Before running it to reinstall packages, I mean.) |
| 05:37.23 | robboplus | josht it's vmnet0 device which is bound to br0, at least i guess it's like that |
| 05:37.42 | josht | robboplus: So why didn't vmnet0 show up when you did ifconfig -a ? |
| 05:37.44 | KI4IKL | josht: just paste it into a .sh file and run it? |
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| 05:37.53 | DarkBahamut | wols_: so vista will mess up the boot menu? |
| 05:38.10 | wols_ | it will overwrite your MBR |
| 05:38.13 | robboplus | josht this is from ps aux: /usr/bin/vmnet-bridge -d /var/run/vmnet-bridge-0.pid /dev/vmnet0 br0 ; and vmnet0 = nic in guest |
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| 05:38.17 | josht | KI4IKL: After removing the exit at the top, yes. |
| 05:38.21 | wols_ | so grub won't start anymore. the menu will stay the same |
| 05:38.31 | robboplus | josht i have NO idea.. should it appear in there? |
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| 05:38.35 | DarkBahamut | wols_: MBR? |
| 05:38.41 | robboplus | josht i have never seen it like that in my life |
| 05:38.43 | wols_ | !mrb |
| 05:38.45 | josht | robboplus: Hang on a minute. What VM mechanism do you use? |
| 05:38.45 | wols_ | !mbr |
| 05:38.45 | dpkg | methinks mbr is the Master Boot Record, the first bit of code loaded from the hard drive when a PC boots. to install a clean MBR (e.g. to get rid of lilo if it is in the mbr) from DOS one can run "fdisk /mbr"; from linux "install-mbr /dev/hda" |
| 05:38.52 | robboplus | josht vmware |
| 05:39.02 | josht | robboplus: Oh. I have absolutely no clue how its networking works. :) |
| 05:39.06 | DarkBahamut | ouch |
| 05:39.15 | josht | robboplus: Or doesn't work, apparently. :) |
| 05:39.17 | robboplus | josht lol... so which one do you use? |
| 05:39.19 | KI4IKL | josht: umm, what paste it into a file like fix.sh and then run ./fix |
| 05:39.20 | KI4IKL | or no .sh |
| 05:39.24 | DarkBahamut | wols_: umm is there a way to fix it or to prevent it from happening? |
| 05:39.25 | KI4IKL | sorry, never ran sh scripts really |
| 05:39.55 | wols_ | DarkBahamut: yey you can fix it, you can't prevent it |
| 05:40.22 | josht | KI4IKL: Download it directly (such as with wget or by right-clicking and saying "save page as"), chmod u+x the-file, ./the-file |
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| 05:40.28 | KI4IKL | kk |
| 05:40.52 | josht | robboplus: Varies; KVM, qemu, Xen. |
| 05:41.08 | DarkBahamut | wols_: cool, what will i have to do to fix it? i can write it down now :D |
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| 05:41.28 | KI4IKL | josht: http://www.pastebin.com/m4ec1d23f |
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| 05:41.51 | josht | robboplus: It varies. KVM, qemu, Xen... |
| 05:42.32 | josht | KI4IKL: I think you meant http://pastebin.com/m4ec1d23f |
| 05:42.38 | josht | (not the same thing) |
| 05:42.53 | josht | robboplus: Apparently VMWare's networking uses a userspace process of some kind. |
| 05:42.58 | KI4IKL | yeah, sorry |
| 05:43.00 | josht | robboplus: And it doesn't show up as a normal interface. |
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| 05:43.24 | josht | robboplus: I don't know why it uses a bridge. |
| 05:43.59 | josht | robboplus: But in any case I don't know how to solve your problem. Possibly a missing route, or possibly a VMWare configuration issue, or possibly a bug. You might try a VMWare channel/list/forum. |
| 05:44.16 | rcbarnes | nvidia binary drivers: still broken in lenny? |
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| 05:46.07 | josht | KI4IKL: Don't paste it into a file. Download the script, mark it executable (chmod u+x the-script), remove the exit near the top, and run it (./the-script). |
| 05:46.17 | KI4IKL | I did. I right click, save file as |
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| 05:47.06 | josht | KI4IKL: Oh. The script has a bug in it. |
| 05:47.09 | robboplus | josht the interface is just bridged... why would it matter if it appears or not... |
| 05:47.13 | josht | KI4IKL: It has a missing character. |
| 05:47.34 | robboplus | josht all that matters is the br0 which became the main interface on host |
| 05:47.40 | KI4IKL | what is the msising character? |
| 05:47.50 | josht | robboplus: Normally, a bridge bridges multiple interfaces. Yours only appears to bridge one. |
| 05:47.56 | robboplus | josht and that's regardless the software i use.. |
| 05:48.27 | robboplus | josht it will bridge any other interface i setup if i allow it, i don't understand you |
| 05:48.32 | josht | robboplus: For example, you might have br0 bridge eth0 and tun0, or eth0 and vif1.0 . |
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| 05:48.42 | robboplus | be it more vmnets or another nic or anything else |
| 05:48.56 | robboplus | well i used to have tunes here |
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| 05:49.29 | robboplus | i could see tun0 in ifconfig but it didn't matter at all... |
| 05:49.29 | josht | robboplus: But the output you pasted shows only one interface, no virtual interfaces. So I don't know what mechanism the virtual network uses; it doesn't use the bridge AFAICT. |
| 05:49.52 | robboplus | josht... can't you see the ps aux output that i just pasted above? |
| 05:50.02 | josht | KI4IKL: A \ at the end of the line that has /var/log in it. However, the script will fail anyway for another reason; one moment. |
| 05:50.06 | robboplus | josht: /usr/bin/vmnet-bridge -d /var/run/vmnet-bridge-0.pid /dev/vmnet0 br0 |
| 05:50.17 | robboplus | why do you say it doesn't use bridge then... |
| 05:50.40 | robboplus | it's a plain bridge.. if it wasn't my guest couldn't talk to world and it works just fine there |
| 05:50.58 | josht | robboplus: Yes, I see it. I mean that it doesn't use Linux's bridge control mechanism, it appears to inject packets directly into br0, or use some other mechanism. I don't know exactly what it does. |
| 05:51.19 | josht | robboplus: /dev/vmnet0 != interface vmnet0. Note that you don't have a /dev/eth0 or /dev/br0. |
| 05:51.59 | josht | robboplus: That vmware process moves data between /dev/vmnet0 and interface br0, via some means not visible to brctl. |
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| 05:53.53 | DarkBahamut | wols_: o.O? |
| 05:53.54 | robboplus | josht /dev/vmnet0 = nic in guest... that's how vmware works |
| 05:54.08 | robboplus | josht it's the other end of that interface, the one you see on host |
| 05:54.12 | josht | KI4IKL: http://pastebin.ca/794523 |
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| 05:54.18 | josht | KI4IKL: Try that. |
| 05:54.37 | josht | KI4IKL: Actually, use http://pastebin.ca/raw/794523 |
| 05:54.45 | josht | KI4IKL: (So you can download the script content.) |
| 05:54.54 | robboplus | josht you are definetly right that it's not usual bridging but still that's how it works |
| 05:55.18 | josht | robboplus: Yes, I understand that. And because it doesn't use usual bridging, I don't think I can help you with it. |
| 05:55.22 | robboplus | josht so perhaps no ping guest<>host is even natural... while you confused me saying it wasn't.. |
| 05:55.45 | josht | robboplus: With the Linux bridge mechanism, it should work. I don't know whether that works in vmware or not. I would think it should, though. |
| 05:55.47 | robboplus | point is, perhaps there is nothing to help with and it just has to be like that |
| 05:55.55 | josht | robboplus: Perhaps. |
| 05:56.17 | robboplus | josht i know at least one more software where you can't ping the host from guest and vice versa |
| 05:56.25 | DarkBahamut | does anyone know how to fix the boot menu after installing windows vista? |
| 05:56.26 | robboplus | that's for security reasons |
| 05:56.50 | robboplus | but you insisted that i should be able to and then i assumed that something was wrong.. |
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| 05:57.12 | josht | robboplus: I understand that. I didn't realize originally that you used VMWare, so I made assumptions that might or might not hold. |
| 05:57.51 | robboplus | i thought that you knew that by the vmnet name :) |
| 05:58.08 | robboplus | ok, we just confused each other big time :) |
| 05:58.12 | josht | DarkBahamut: One way: Boot from a Debian install CD, use its rescue mode to boot your OS, and then run grub-install /dev/hdX (substitute your hard disk for hdX). |
| 05:58.17 | josht | robboplus: Yeah. Oops. :) |
| 05:58.28 | robboplus | josht it was fun though! and nothing else matters lol |
| 05:58.36 | josht | robboplus: And I probably should have, but I've never used VMWare, so it didn't immediately spring to mind. |
| 05:58.50 | KI4IKL | josht: pastebin.com/m3acc1b26 |
| 05:59.07 | robboplus | is there a reason not to use vmware? is e.g. xen better? faster? or else? |
| 05:59.36 | DarkBahamut | josht: k. will try, thanks |
| 06:00.04 | josht | robboplus: The most obvious reason not to use VMWare: not FOSS, and other alternatives exist with more or less the same functionality. |
| 06:00.08 | robboplus | josht afaik e.g. qemu has issues with networking.. very low throughput like 5mbps |
| 06:00.33 | robboplus | josht does any of those have remote console? |
| 06:00.40 | josht | robboplus: Yes. |
| 06:00.51 | robboplus | hm. which one is it? |
| 06:01.18 | josht | robboplus: I wouldn't necessarily recommend Xen above all the others, because it requires a lot of configuration, and it runs above the host system as well, while others don't. |
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| 06:01.39 | dalias | xen sounds bad |
| 06:01.44 | josht | robboplus: Nice for production setups in an "enterprise" setting, though. |
| 06:02.03 | dalias | qemu is probably the best |
| 06:02.23 | josht | robboplus: If you have new enough hardware to support it, I'd highly recommend KVM. Very fast, works well, emulates a full system so most OSes work. |
| 06:02.58 | KI4IKL | josht: pastebin.com/m3acc1b26 |
| 06:03.18 | josht | robboplus: The one downside: it doesn't yet have paravirtualization like VMWare does, so for instance 3D won't necessarily work well. |
| 06:03.27 | robboplus | dalias qemu is nice but networkin just sucks ass in qemu... |
| 06:03.32 | josht | KI4IKL: I saw. One moment. |
| 06:03.40 | dalias | 5mbps is fast not slow |
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| 06:03.44 | robboplus | josht hm |
| 06:03.48 | robboplus | dalias on 100mbit host? |
| 06:03.53 | robboplus | you must be joking sir :) |
| 06:04.09 | robboplus | what is 5mbit/s good for then? |
| 06:04.17 | dalias | besides what does a wintendo need with >5mbps? |
| 06:04.32 | robboplus | dalias we are not talking home use right now |
| 06:04.40 | josht | robboplus: qemu works nicely on hardware that won't support KVM. (It essentially does the same thing in software.) It may just have slow networking because it has slower emulation. It may depend more on how fast the emulated system can push bytes onto the network. |
| 06:04.48 | robboplus | qemu just won't cut it in semi-production env. |
| 06:04.50 | dalias | windows has little use but home use |
| 06:05.07 | robboplus | dalias who on earth said that i was using windows guest? lol.. |
| 06:05.09 | josht | robboplus: Virtualbox came onto the scene more recently; it seems quite well supported, from what I've seen, but I haven't personally tried it. |
| 06:05.10 | dalias | busienss apps should run fine in wine anyway |
| 06:05.26 | robboplus | josht yes.. i tried vbox many times... too buggy still. |
| 06:05.29 | KI4IKL | josht: no worries, I can just let the installer run over night |
| 06:05.34 | KI4IKL | I appreciate your help |
| 06:05.39 | josht | KI4IKL: No, hang on. |
| 06:05.41 | robboplus | dalias wtf are you talking about? |
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| 06:05.49 | KI4IKL | kk josht |
| 06:06.13 | robboplus | dalias do you understand what 100mbit-FD is? why on earth would i want to use qemu there if my guest can't use more than 5% of my networking there? |
| 06:06.34 | dalias | well honestly i would just address and fix the problems with qemu networking |
| 06:06.48 | robboplus | dalias imagine e.g. downloading 50GB of data to that guest on 5mbit link.. |
| 06:06.52 | josht | KI4IKL: Apparently pastebin put DOS line endings on the file. I don't know why. |
| 06:06.52 | dalias | or if you have such high demands, don't use virtualization but real boxes |
| 06:07.12 | KI4IKL | maybe add bash higlighting? |
| 06:07.12 | KI4IKL | :P |
| 06:07.13 | dalias | josht, nasty |
| 06:07.15 | robboplus | dalias you just don't make any sense.. especially because qemu networking can't be fixed. that's how qemu works simply put. |
| 06:07.16 | simonrvn | or xen the effing thing |
| 06:07.18 | josht | dalias: He already has a solution that works and *doesn't* have sucky networking, so that doesn't help. :) |
| 06:07.32 | dalias | robboplus, sure it can be fixed.. |
| 06:07.40 | robboplus | dalias let me take it straight.. you are either trolling or you seriously are stupid, sir :) |
| 06:07.43 | josht | dalias: Or at least, its speed doesn't suck. Its connectivity leaves something to be desired. |
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| 06:07.58 | robboplus | [07:06:52] <dalias> or if you have such high demands, don't use virtualization but real boxes |
| 06:08.02 | robboplus | lol... |
| 06:08.13 | josht | KI4IKL: Try this: tr -d '\r' < the-script > the-script.tmp ; mv the-script.tmp the-script |
| 06:08.49 | josht | dalias: In general, emulated systems can achieve nearly 100% of the networking bandwidth of the host. |
| 06:09.19 | robboplus | sorry but you really don't make any sense dalias, yet you are talking bullshit about qemu's networking.. go and ask devs... it just can't go any higher than 5mbit which means that in production env. its networking is becoming a serious bottlneck. |
| 06:09.20 | josht | robboplus: If you have this in a production setting, not necessarily on a personal system, then I would actually recommend Xen at the moment. |
| 06:09.33 | dalias | robboplus, that's blatently false |
| 06:09.44 | dalias | there's no _fundamental_ reason why it can't go above a particular rate |
| 06:10.08 | robboplus | josht well it's not a real production system but definetly not home use anymore, as well... the problem with Xen is that there is no remote console while i need it |
| 06:10.17 | dalias | it's either just a problem in the implementation, or kernel scheduling issues |
| 06:10.25 | robboplus | josht i would love to use Xen though |
| 06:10.26 | dalias | either of which could be fixed |
| 06:10.41 | KI4IKL | josht: http://www.pastebin.com/m30249b46 |
| 06:10.44 | robboplus | dalias you have NO idea how networking in qemu works... and i'm not going to explain it to you |
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| 06:11.00 | josht | robboplus: By "remote console", do you mean "access the system console from the shell on the host", or "access the system console from a remote machine without necessarily using a shell on the host"? |
| 06:11.01 | robboplus | dalias it's just about the nic emulation in there... |
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| 06:11.41 | robboplus | josht the 2nd option |
| 06:12.12 | josht | robboplus: http://www.xen-tools.org/software/xen-shell/ |
| 06:12.20 | josht | robboplus: Packaged in Debian, too. |
| 06:12.22 | robboplus | josht hm.. |
| 06:12.58 | robboplus | josht looks like there is no reason not to try xen there :) checking |
| 06:12.58 | josht | KI4IKL: Looking. (Normally, I would run a script to make sure it works before sending it, but in this case I naturally can't do that. :) ) |
| 06:13.14 | KI4IKL | understood josht |
| 06:13.36 | KI4IKL | :P |
| 06:14.31 | dalias | robboplus, there's no fundamental reason it can't work another way, or that the performance issues with the nic emulation can't be fixed |
| 06:14.39 | KI4IKL | josht: you would be more than welkcome to remote desktop in or something ifyou'd like |
| 06:14.40 | dalias | robboplus, you're the one who's acting like an idiot |
| 06:14.45 | KI4IKL | not like your could break my system anymore |
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| 06:16.01 | robboplus | dalias no, the only idiot here is YOU, not only talking bull but yet insulting others |
| 06:18.08 | robboplus | dalias if you have no clue how network interfaces are emulated in qemu then PLEASE, just ignore me or whatever but don't propagate more crap.. go to qemu and speak with devs. i went tru that before and also with vbox guys who explained it to me in mere details. quemu with throughput of a few mbit/s is simply USELESS for serious home usage even, not to mention production or semi-production setups.. what part don't you get in here? and if you t |
| 06:18.18 | josht | KI4IKL: http://pastebin.ca/raw/794530 |
| 06:19.18 | robboplus | josht i must say that Xen is tickling my brain seriously... after you pasted that url |
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| 06:19.51 | KI4IKL | josht: it says bad interpreter |
| 06:20.04 | josht | KI4IKL: Use the same tr command again, sorry, |
| 06:20.08 | KI4IKL | kk |
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| 06:22.41 | josht | KI4IKL: Any luck? |
| 06:23.06 | josht | KI4IKL: (If you said something after I said to use tr again, I missed it, sorry.) |
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| 06:25.28 | KI4IKL | josht pastebin.com/m50c7ca74 |
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| 06:26.16 | yos87 | Hi, how can I send and recieve bluetooth in the graphic mode? |
| 06:26.51 | simonrvn | could you restrict yourself to one channel at a time please? |
| 06:27.09 | dalias | robboplus, there is currently a limitation YES. does that mean there's permanently an insurmountible limitation for all time? NO of course not. FYI the author is a friend. |
| 06:27.59 | KI4IKL | josht: now worries man, I can just reinstall over night and get it back up in the morning. I appreciate your help...and when I get the new system up i'm making a cron that will backup my /var/lib/dpkg |
| 06:28.03 | KI4IKL | anyways |
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| 06:28.05 | KI4IKL | i'm off to start this install again |
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| 06:28.46 | josht | Sigh, trying a real IRC client this time. |
| 06:29.49 | drc | which one? :) |
| 06:29.57 | simonrvn | irssi of course |
| 06:29.58 | josht | drc: irssi. |
| 06:30.35 | josht | Which works fine, until it spontaneously doesn't. |
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| 06:30.48 | josht | And in any case apparently the person left. |
| 06:30.50 | josht | Oh well. |
| 06:31.08 | josht | Good luck to them. |
| 06:31.15 | drc | drc: that's the way ;) |
| 06:31.24 | drc | hmm |
| 06:31.25 | josht | drc: Talking to yourself? Are you good company? :) |
| 06:31.27 | drc | josht: that's the way |
| 06:31.33 | drc | :< |
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| 06:36.17 | simonrvn | all at once? rsync and mencoder + scripting |
| 06:36.37 | josht | simonrvn: Yeah, I could go that route. I just hoped something already existed. |
| 06:36.38 | simonrvn | == happy josht |
| 06:36.47 | simonrvn | haven't heard such a thing |
| 06:37.06 | josht | simonrvn: If I have to roll my own, I'll probably just transcode once, store both formats on the server, and have unison exclude *.flac. |
| 06:37.18 | simonrvn | that'll work |
| 06:37.27 | josht | simonrvn: I don't lack disk space on this server. :) |
| 06:37.42 | simonrvn | i do, on mine heh |
| 06:37.59 | josht | Hmmm. Looks like conduit *might* do what I want. |
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| 06:38.54 | simonrvn | !info conduit |
| 06:39.07 | simonrvn | yeh yeh dpkg, you're updating your files |
| 06:39.13 | simonrvn | :) |
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| 06:40.08 | simonrvn | ah |
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| 06:52.54 | troubled | -scanpackages? |
| 06:53.43 | troubled | nm, into the man pages already, might as well find out myself heh |
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| 07:20.02 | bullgard4 | A dmesg message reads: "swsusp: Resume from Partition 3:8." What does '3:8' mean? |
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| 07:27.05 | erpo | Google and Microsoft are coming to HSU to pitch their email services (Windows Live@Edu vs Google Apps Education Edition). What questions should I ask at the presentations? |
| 07:28.51 | enouf | hi bullgard4 ; cat /proc/partitions |
| 07:28.54 | Guerin | erpo: Why is your softweare so fucking shit? |
| 07:29.49 | Guerin | and Why do you pretend not to be evil while surveilling several billion people in almost every country in the world? |
| 07:30.02 | Guerin | those would be the two burning questions I'd ask of MS and teh goog |
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| 07:30.42 | Guerin | but then, I'm not concerned about getting poor grades |
| 07:31.16 | enouf | like we need to know |
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| 07:31.40 | AbsintheSyringe | how do I fast switch between terminal tabs on gnome? |
| 07:31.45 | robboplus | how can i check the bandwidth being in use by particular ip? others than with iptraf, i would prefer some bash solution instead |
| 07:31.47 | KI4IKL | Is there like a debian offtopic? |
| 07:31.50 | AbsintheSyringe | I'm a long time kde user making it in gnome world :) |
| 07:32.05 | Guerin | KI4IKL: only for people who canj find it without asking |
| 07:32.05 | enouf | robboplus: iftop perhaps |
| 07:32.18 | robboplus | enouf oh the name sounds great - checking |
| 07:32.20 | erpo | Guerin: I want serious questions, the answers to which will sway other people. |
| 07:32.33 | enouf | KI4IKL: yes |
| 07:32.38 | robboplus | enouf i would love it to be something similar to dstat |
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| 07:33.02 | enouf | robboplus: i'm sure there's others, that one just came to mind |
| 07:33.16 | up365 | KI4IKL, just #debian-offtopic |
| 07:33.23 | robboplus | enouf many thanks! looks very cool |
| 07:33.59 | enouf | np |
| 07:34.14 | Guerin | erpo: I can't think of any more serious questions than those. They could perhaps do with a little bit of diplomatisation. |
| 07:34.33 | Guerin | but those are essentially the issues I would want to tackle |
| 07:34.49 | Guerin | erpo: in any case, if you're looking for nice patsy questions, you're in the wrong channel. |
| 07:35.37 | erpo | Guerin: I'm not looking for patsy questions. I strongly suspect that MS will do something evil if they get the go ahead to provide email to students. But I'm not very educated about these email services so I'm looking for some assistance asking the right questions. |
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| 07:36.23 | Guerin | erpo: you should research other evil things they've done, and ask for a justification of why you should believe they wouldn't do the same in your case. |
| 07:36.31 | enouf | how about ; "why you gotta tag my sheeple ass?" |
| 07:36.38 | Guerin | MS's transgressions are very well documented. |
| 07:37.12 | enouf | database me oh mighty shepard |
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| 07:37.55 | enouf | "when will you be handing out RFID dongle butt plugs?" |
| 07:38.35 | enouf | </soapbox> |
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| 07:40.14 | headmonkey | erpo, you should ask them, "why dont either of your companies produce email server software that just works" |
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| 07:40.56 | erpo | headmonkey: So you're saying that the email solutions they're likely to provide are failure-prone? |
| 07:41.13 | headmonkey | erpo, "have you both become so big and bloated that we only get to hear from PR department talking heads, and all your programmers are fresh out of college with no real world experience ?" |
| 07:41.58 | headmonkey | erpo, "tell the truth. Both of you are fighting for dominance in the web services department, so you can bombard your users with advertiseing that you sell at a premium" |
| 07:42.25 | headmonkey | erpo, "all your pandering to the public is about your own pocket book. Stop pretending you are saveing the planet." |
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| 07:42.42 | headmonkey | erpo, with any luck, you can get it all out before they arrest you ;) |
| 07:42.54 | erpo | Don't tase me bro! |
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| 07:42.59 | erpo | No, seriously... |
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| 07:43.17 | erpo | I don't think I'd ask those questions, but you did bring up a good point. |
| 07:43.43 | headmonkey | i dont like either company personally, so im really good at makeing them look stupid ;) |
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| 07:44.06 | headmonkey | enouf told me you were looking for something to ask them, i thought id provide a good laugh ;) |
| 07:44.07 | erpo | Both MS's and Google's free email services have advertising. I don't think students are going to like that. |
| 07:44.38 | headmonkey | well, point out the truth, they wont provide it |
| 07:44.39 | enouf | headmonkey: hehe |
| 07:45.07 | sauvin | Is there a low latency kernel available for etch? |
| 07:45.08 | headmonkey | google is the new evil, and microsoft is the old evil |
| 07:45.21 | robboplus | headmonkey google is worse.. |
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| 07:45.33 | headmonkey | not that, haveing advertiseing, and provideing search, is evil |
| 07:45.36 | sauvin | headmonkey, if that's true, fear. The OLD evil isn't dead yet by a long march of miles. |
| 07:45.56 | enouf | erpo: word of advice; make a mental note of who is carrying stun guns (tasers) :-) |
| 07:46.10 | headmonkey | just that, their search really hasnt gotten any better, they are busy trying to make money after going public ... which is the modern day equivalent of selling your soul to the devil at the crossroads like robert whats-his-name |
| 07:46.18 | tralala | how exactly is google evil? |
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| 07:46.29 | robboplus | sauvin problem is that you can avoid the old evil by simply not using their products.. much harder to substitue what google has to offer :) |
| 07:46.35 | headmonkey | tralala, their stated goal is to know you better than yourself |
| 07:46.50 | robboplus | headmonkey exactly. |
| 07:46.52 | sauvin | robboplus, MS isn't as avoidable as you seem to think. |
| 07:46.54 | headmonkey | tralala, now, do you think they are going to use that for your benefit ? |
| 07:46.57 | enouf | sauvin: what? make your own |
| 07:47.07 | robboplus | headmonkey i have never heard such clever definition of google yet.. thanks |
| 07:47.08 | headmonkey | tralala, that would fly in the face of the entire history of mankind |
| 07:47.35 | headmonkey | secondly, google employees, are drunk on the success of their public stock offering, and their current status as a wall street darling |
| 07:47.37 | robboplus | sauvin yeah but they are nothing compared to google |
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| 07:48.00 | headmonkey | and the mentality of them is, if you dont work at google, you are stupid |
| 07:48.10 | tralala | headmonkey, I don't think google is going to use that, but I get the point. On the other hand when the US government demanded to be given personal data from the service providers, Google was one of the few who denied the request. |
| 07:48.13 | headmonkey | and if you do work at google, and are over 30, you are stupid |
| 07:48.15 | robboplus | sauvin e.g. you are forced to reveal informations about you just by sending an email to someone using gmail.. and try to tell millions to STOP using that |
| 07:48.19 | headmonkey | they are currently being sued for that one |
| 07:48.40 | robboplus | headmonkey lol |
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| 07:49.10 | headmonkey | at the same time, they have people with phds publishing websites that claim things like "the C and C++ languages dont have arrays, only pointers, and they are good for provideing access to hardware registers" |
| 07:49.17 | headmonkey | neither of which are true |
| 07:49.20 | robboplus | tralala if they deny that's only because they don't collect data for chickens.. |
| 07:49.24 | sauvin | I'm not FORCED to do any such thing, but yes, millions (including myself) do precisely that. |
| 07:50.01 | robboplus | headmonkey in the upcoming global grid google will become our brain.. don't you agree? |
| 07:50.27 | sauvin | I've a suspicion they don't pry at the individual level, though. Their primary thrust would be trends at the macroeconomic level. |
| 07:50.34 | headmonkey | robboplus, no, i have a personal reason why i dont like them ... i was working on a search engine around the time their popularity exploded, and i shelved the project |
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| 07:50.41 | tralala | headmonkey, I'm sorry but you sound like you envy google and thier employees for their success and money. Also can you provide a link with their "stated goal"? |
| 07:51.01 | headmonkey | so im somewhat jaded, but i was okay with it, until i actually started talking to some of their employees |
| 07:51.12 | robboplus | headmonkey oh i read you... they basically killed all the competition and many interesting projects. but it's not that they were so superior... |
| 07:51.34 | enouf | i'm sure they are ready to outline the CEOs agenda for you, in a nice Public Press Release, rofl |
| 07:51.48 | robboplus | tralala a link? don't you know by far that true evil is always invisible? |
| 07:51.54 | headmonkey | tralala, well, im really good at reading between the lines ... they had barrack obama show up and talk to their employees, in exchange for large sums of money no doubt, then they asked him a staged question about sorting algorithms, and had him say some prepared bs response, to which they told him "you answered that correctly" |
| 07:51.57 | tralala | no, of course not... they succeeded by sneaky practices like MS... |
| 07:52.11 | headmonkey | tralala, now, tell me thats not evil |
| 07:52.34 | headmonkey | buying a politician, fakeing question and answer sessions, to get their employees to like and vote for their race horse |
| 07:52.39 | headmonkey | evil evil evil |
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| 07:53.03 | robboplus | tralala the evilness is in the fact that they collect data like crazy monkeys, all kind of those data including your personal ones |
| 07:53.05 | headmonkey | they have become, just one more self interested corporation, who's motive is power, control, and profit, in a world that has enough of those already |
| 07:53.26 | robboplus | tralala as headmonkey said - they will soon know you better than yourself |
| 07:53.39 | headmonkey | if you dont believe they said that, you can google for it ;) |
| 07:53.40 | wols_ | robboplus, headmonkey: corporations are never immoral, only amoral but that always |
| 07:53.49 | robboplus | headmonkey i'm on your side about what you just said |
| 07:53.53 | wols_ | so google can't be evil even if they wanted to. neither can be MS |
| 07:53.53 | nvz | what is a command to scroll up/down in irssi that uses the crtl key or is there one? |
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| 07:54.37 | sauvin | MS can be very evil. |
| 07:54.41 | enouf | wols_: why, because it's law? |
| 07:54.43 | headmonkey | im not against makeing a profit, im not against advertiseing, but in the short time they have been around, due to their huge success, have already started to become just another large corporation, spinning lies and mistruths, for money |
| 07:54.47 | robboplus | wols you could also say that e.g. Marlboro isn't evil.. killing people every day |
| 07:55.03 | nvz | Ctrl+P and Ctrl+N switches windows |
| 07:55.04 | headmonkey | we all know MS is evil |
| 07:55.05 | robboplus | wols they pay alot to be allowed to though :) |
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| 07:55.09 | enouf | many laws can be ..and are evil ;-) |
| 07:55.13 | nvz | I am pretty sure there is a way to scroll the buffer |
| 07:55.16 | wols_ | mayrlboro doesn't kill a simle microbe. marlboro does not exist |
| 07:55.31 | wols_ | there are people, but there is no "marlboro". that's a (legal) fiction |
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| 07:55.42 | enouf | nvz: there must be |
| 07:55.55 | robboplus | wols there is... saying 'marlboro' one means everyone who ever worked or works for this company |
| 07:56.04 | enouf | nvz: shift+pageup ? |
| 07:56.15 | headmonkey | if google convinces the entire world to use email for businesses purposes, or educational purposes, well...they'll know all the new advances, projects, research, etc before anyone else does, wont they ? |
| 07:56.18 | nvz | enouf: thing is I got this PocketPC and it has a qwerty keyboard, but no arrows, page up/dn, alt, esc... but it does have a ctrl |
| 07:56.32 | enouf | oh, ctrl only? wtf? |
| 07:56.34 | robboplus | wols even a cleaner there is somewhat resposible for crimes they do around the globe together with other companies selling toxic shit with smile on their faces |
| 07:56.42 | enouf | youch |
| 07:56.42 | headmonkey | they are reading and processing your email ... its not 'private' ... you are giving them ammunition that will be used against you |
| 07:56.47 | enouf | dumpster ;-) |
| 07:56.48 | nvz | well it has arrows but they translate to 2,4,6,8 in putty |
| 07:56.52 | wols_ | headmonkey: so does your ISP |
| 07:57.02 | tralala | headmonkey, if your search engine project has succeeded you'd be doing just the same |
| 07:57.02 | robboplus | and google is becoming such a toxine in the world of data |
| 07:57.02 | wols_ | just cause they SAY it's private doesn't make it so |
| 07:57.17 | headmonkey | tralala, thats simply not true |
| 07:57.20 | headmonkey | tralala, i have morals |
| 07:57.28 | nvz | enouf: its a tiny PocketPC Keyboard :P http://www.pocketpcthoughts.com/images/web/tosh-targus1.jpg |
| 07:57.38 | wols_ | headmonkey: nice joke. the most funny thing is you even believe it |
| 07:57.38 | headmonkey | tralala, and my search engine project didnt fail, i just shelved it |
| 07:57.43 | tralala | headmonkey, simply due to the fact that you don't have BIG money |
| 07:57.44 | enouf | go go gadget gidget! |
| 07:57.44 | wols_ | !pal headmonkey |
| 07:58.04 | robboplus | headmonkey agreed about emails... they are also reading emails of those who actually don't have an account in there... which is even worse. i personally REFUSE to send any email to gmail address and ask people to provide another |
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| 07:58.15 | tralala | nobody has immunity to BIG money |
| 07:58.23 | headmonkey | go ahead, use google for all your business spreadsheets ;) |
| 07:58.29 | robboplus | headmonkey that's it |
| 07:58.34 | robboplus | exactly.. they can't wait :) |
| 07:58.43 | wols_ | headmonkey: instead of using excel? |
| 07:58.48 | robboplus | wols yes |
| 07:58.53 | headmonkey | you might as well write code for them for free like everyone else seems to want to do as well |
| 07:58.57 | tralala | and when you call others evil because they've got the BIG money and you don't... you'd be just the same if you did |
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| 07:59.16 | headmonkey | google is snowballing you, and getting paid big money to do it ... deception is an effective marketing tool, and google is doing a great job |
| 07:59.23 | robboplus | wols that's what they want... imagine millions trusting that company and showing them their business plans, cvs, spreasheets, legal papers, etc. that's how google likes it |
| 07:59.43 | robboplus | it's done for a reason. clear one. |
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| 07:59.50 | cTATU1 | hi |
| 07:59.59 | tralala | you guys are ridiculous |
| 08:00.00 | robboplus | a fuckin global grid controlled by a SINGLE company :) |
| 08:00.12 | cTATU1 | is there a way to get AirSnort working with my Intel 2915ABG card, or is there a better alternative to AirSnort that will work? |
| 08:00.17 | manu_hack | scroll_backward |
| 08:00.18 | robboplus | tralala you think so? why don't you bring some arguments then? |
| 08:00.27 | sauvin | Easy enough to see the potential, that's true. I don't understand why anybody would use it for sensitive stuff. |
| 08:00.45 | simonrvn | sauvin: that'd be just plain stupid |
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| 08:00.56 | headmonkey | the police use your google searches when they investigate you |
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| 08:01.11 | rcbarnes | Are the nvidia binary drivers still broken in lenny? |
| 08:01.31 | enouf | "With this new device, you as a newly proud owner of our Patented RFID';d Butt dongle technology are entitled to one FREE Coffee Enema of your Favorite coffee house brew (at the location of your choosing) |
| 08:01.33 | tralala | robboplus, in response to what? I didn't see any arguments to respond to. |
| 08:01.42 | robboplus | i find e.g. using a word editor online as stupid as only it can be... but somehow they are slowly forcing it... soon everyone will be working like this will all the data. in the digital world who controls this system controls the future.. |
| 08:01.43 | headmonkey | google cooperates with the chinese government and assists them in jailing newspaper reporters ... yeah .. thats not evil |
| 08:02.05 | simonrvn | enouf: actually, they'd stuff starbucks or second cup down your throat ;p |
| 08:02.10 | headmonkey | google is just one big happy family that loves you |
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| 08:02.18 | headmonkey | they care about you ;) |
| 08:02.39 | robboplus | headmonkey exactly.. they even crafted a special revision of the spider for them |
| 08:02.51 | sauvin | Google DOES seem to be fairly effective at weeding out spam :) |
| 08:03.06 | headmonkey | sauvin, of course ... the spammers didnt pay google to advertise |
| 08:03.13 | robboplus | and yes, for the love of everyone on the planet they give you a free gmail box with lots of space for the rest of your life and beyond that :) |
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| 08:03.50 | wols_ | robboplus: the nice thing is, there is still linux |
| 08:03.51 | robboplus | together with absolutely free text editor, excel-like software and else.. it's all for you guys, just for you :) |
| 08:03.57 | wols_ | and as long a I have linux, I have vi |
| 08:04.01 | enouf | simonrvn: a hell of a lotta good that'll do after their ass reaming of you O.o |
| 08:04.07 | wols_ | running on my own CPU, using only my memroy, etc |
| 08:04.12 | headmonkey | wait until googles cell phone service comes out ... and they scan and index all your text messages, and their voice recognition software converts your speech to text .. that's gotta be good for you |
| 08:04.45 | simonrvn | i don't put sensitive info there ;) |
| 08:04.46 | robboplus | wols of course. but more and more people will trust google and soon we can expect a GoogleOS :) |
| 08:04.46 | tralala | google is the search engine that actually finds stuff for you. gmail is the _only_ free mail service that gives you *encrypted* pop3 and imap |
| 08:04.46 | sauvin | I think you'll find the "thank $deity there's Linux" a bit weak until more people discover there IS a Linux. |
| 08:04.46 | simonrvn | (i don't put any actually, just use the mail) |
| 08:04.48 | tralala | there's a reason for their success |
| 08:05.14 | headmonkey | yeah, thats another thing, GoogleOS or GOS is in wal-mart ... they took linux, from the man who created it, slapped their fucking name all over it, and are cutting commercials deals to make money with it, without paying linus for it ... nice bunch of people over there at google |
| 08:05.26 | wols_ | sauvin: I don't care about "other people". I only care about me in this case |
| 08:05.30 | headmonkey | its google os ... google must have invented it |
| 08:05.31 | robboplus | wols how about the future brings something that will make your own cpu and own OS as ridiculous as using a 386 machine with 1MB of ram and DOS 3.3? :) |
| 08:05.38 | wols_ | and I hope of course that my hardware is still sane |
| 08:06.00 | simonrvn | assuming a lot there, but that's another topic |
| 08:06.04 | wols_ | a 386 is fine. usable for many things |
| 08:06.04 | enouf | nah, ya got rootkits on your core2duos now ;-) |
| 08:06.20 | simonrvn | yeh, called DRM |
| 08:06.21 | enouf | luddhite! |
| 08:06.24 | enouf | ;-) |
| 08:06.30 | headmonkey | anyway, if i were you, id trust google 100% .. absolutely and completely ... they know what you need better than you do ;) |
| 08:06.34 | enouf | oops, - the h |
| 08:06.39 | headmonkey | l8r all |
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| 08:06.44 | robboplus | wols remember the attempt of "stamping" people via intel's technology? they failed on that time... but evil is back and stronger than ever... |
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| 08:07.18 | robboplus | i hope headmoney will be back.. good to see someone who thinks alike |
| 08:07.42 | tralala | robboplus, you better follow the expample of your idol the monkey head |
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| 08:07.55 | robboplus | tralala can you stop with this shit? |
| 08:08.04 | tralala | robboplus, can you? |
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| 08:08.07 | robboplus | tralala all you do is laugh... i know this kind of people. |
| 08:08.26 | robboplus | tralala no arguments, just insults, irony and laughs. |
| 08:08.27 | tralala | I don't laugh. I'm actually getting frustrated with you. |
| 08:08.35 | sauvin | Don't you just love trying to argue with people who can think only in slogans? |
| 08:08.41 | robboplus | tralala that's your problem |
| 08:08.52 | robboplus | simonrvn gn :) |
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| 08:09.27 | tralala | robboplus, it is indeed. Your problem on the other hand is that you see conspiracies everywhere. |
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| 08:09.58 | robboplus | tralala i also know people who will tell you that you follow conspiracy theories every time when you touch a serious stuff |
| 08:10.02 | wols_ | just cause one is paranoid doesn't mean they aren't out to get you |
| 08:10.12 | robboplus | tralala you act exactly like them and that's for a reason.. no doubts. |
| 08:10.17 | tralala | and the channel's problem is that it's being flooded by an off-topic discussion (with a no small contribution of me) |
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| 08:10.50 | robboplus | tralala it isn't against channel rules while there is no one that needs help |
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| 08:11.12 | simonrvn | um, someone left that did... really going to zzz now |
| 08:11.23 | robboplus | simonrvn he he |
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| 08:12.54 | wols_ | tralala: the problem with google is not that they are evil. the problem is simply the massive data aggregation |
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| 08:14.33 | tralala | wols_, that is a real problem, but also a real convinience. In other words a standard trade off - one of the many we do on daily basis. |
| 08:14.47 | robboplus | wols exactly. too massive. |
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| 08:15.50 | robboplus | tralala yes, just scan all your documents and upload them to your gmail account, your legal papers, business plans and else.. and let millions do the same. what do we get? |
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| 08:16.13 | tralala | and the reason that data is massivly aggregated is that there's a real need for that. It's not a matter if it will be done, just when and by whom. It's Google who does it, so what? Would it be a better world if Microsoft did? |
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| 08:16.26 | robboplus | this is a global grid, something that i mentioned before and it has nothing to do with conspiracy, it's REAL. |
| 08:16.29 | tralala | robboplus, stop the nonsence, would you? |
| 08:16.34 | wols_ | tralala: in a way: yes |
| 08:16.38 | robboplus | tralala stop the lameness, will you? |
| 08:17.00 | robboplus | you are trying to make an idiot out of me each time when i say something about that... why is that? |
| 08:17.01 | wols_ | the problem isn't that google is the best search engine in the world. but it's a problem it's both search engine and email provider for example |
| 08:17.23 | wols_ | also, the web is public so indexing it is fine. email isn't public by default |
| 08:17.26 | robboplus | wols the problem is that the public search engine is just a small part of the whole thing |
| 08:17.43 | robboplus | the best part we don't have access to :) someone does though. |
| 08:18.01 | tralala | robboplus, you've being ignored for 20 minutes. Hopefully you'll calm down by then and get prepared for a sane discussion. |
| 08:18.04 | robboplus | and people like tralala will jump on me at once and tell me how stupid i am... |
| 08:18.05 | wols_ | tho google using tracking cookies all ovre is sort of a problem on its own of course |
| 08:18.30 | wols_ | but that one is probably inevitable |
| 08:18.32 | robboplus | wols how about digging tru 5 millions accounts for a certain name or address or anything else? :) |
| 08:18.44 | robboplus | or 100 million accounts. or a billion of them. |
| 08:19.21 | robboplus | or for any other information you can think of... |
| 08:19.44 | tralala | As I said Google is what it is because it provides solutions for real needs. I'd rather use gmail (which I do) than depend on a lame ISP that I'll change in due time. |
| 08:19.49 | robboplus | how about voice recognition, face recognition... it's all coming :) |
| 08:20.25 | spq | why should one prefer aptitude over apt-get ? |
| 08:20.34 | robboplus | tralala just ignore me for life, i will be happy to have you off my back just because you have no arguments :) |
| 08:20.53 | tralala | Unlike many other big corporations Google's practices towards their customers aren't sneaky. At least not yet. |
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| 08:21.08 | robboplus | tralala LOL... what is the problem with providing quality mail account these days? |
| 08:21.29 | wols_ | tralala: irrelevant |
| 08:21.31 | robboplus | you are trolling simply put.. telling everyone that google is the only quality email accounts provider |
| 08:21.49 | robboplus | that's exactly what they try to tell everyone which is a LIE. as most of what they do |
| 08:21.52 | tralala | spq, it's got more advanced algorithms which supposedly leads to better decisions when managing packages |
| 08:21.54 | wols_ | others, who can and will use google's data, are sneaky enough |
| 08:22.11 | spq | tralala, and the usageis the same? |
| 08:22.15 | wols_ | !tell spq about why aptitude |
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| 08:22.28 | tralala | as I said it's a trade off that we as a global society are willing to do |
| 08:22.29 | wols_ | spq: yes it's the same for 95%+ of all cases |
| 08:22.46 | spq | [...] and will automatically uninstall unneeded dependencies [...] |
| 08:22.50 | spq | very nice! |
| 08:22.53 | spq | :) thaks |
| 08:22.55 | spq | +n |
| 08:22.56 | robboplus | i wonder what's with all this google paranoia? soon 90% of people will only be able to use their services and they believe that there is nothing else... |
| 08:23.15 | wols_ | robboplus: bullshit |
| 08:23.24 | wols_ | robboplus: remember IE? |
| 08:23.28 | robboplus | i do |
| 08:23.39 | robboplus | but there will be NO competitor for google |
| 08:23.41 | robboplus | ever. |
| 08:23.45 | Penix | I thought everyone still used Alta Vista. I've got some catching up to do... |
| 08:23.52 | tralala | but ultimately it's up to you to keep a low profile if you care |
| 08:24.02 | wols_ | Penix: don't you mean "yahoo"? |
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| 08:24.12 | tralala | or hotbot? |
| 08:24.23 | spq | yahoo uses google for most queries |
| 08:24.29 | robboplus | tralala i use google because they killed all the competiton, not because i want to |
| 08:24.41 | tralala | I still remember the times when I had to use a bunch of search engines to find what I needed |
| 08:24.47 | wols_ | spq: don't spread misinformation. they haven't for years now |
| 08:25.01 | robboplus | tralala and i never ever used any other of their 'fanstastic' products like gmail or google bar (another data collector) |
| 08:25.04 | wols_ | tralala: meta search engines |
| 08:25.21 | wols_ | robboplus: what's your browser? |
| 08:25.25 | tralala | heh |
| 08:25.29 | robboplus | wols i use ff and opera |
| 08:25.50 | wols_ | both have agreements with google and earn money due to them |
| 08:26.01 | robboplus | wols i know that... |
| 08:26.02 | spq | wols_, oh right - it just looks the same and since they've done before, i thounght... |
| 08:26.05 | wols_ | in case of mozilla it's their almost only source of funding |
| 08:26.16 | robboplus | wols it's scary too, isn't it. some call it conspiracy though |
| 08:26.32 | wols_ | nah. it's just stupid |
| 08:26.34 | wols_ | but it's easy money |
| 08:26.40 | Penix | I'm crapping my pants |
| 08:26.45 | enouf | (crazy czechs and russkies :-P) |
| 08:27.01 | wols_ | Penix: we already knew that. only tell us things we don't already knew |
| 08:27.04 | robboplus | enouf russians are fine... czechs are not :) |
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| 08:27.11 | wols_ | now do something against the smell |
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| 08:27.22 | enouf | Penix: i see you've received your free coffee enema? ;-) |
| 08:27.28 | robboplus | lol |
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| 08:29.09 | enouf | (everything will be alright .. everyone just sing along now) |
| 08:29.09 | robboplus | enouf nice :) |
| 08:29.17 | robboplus | exactly :) |
| 08:29.24 | ddalton_ | ok how do I get the etch kernel source? |
| 08:29.32 | enouf | ddalton_: why? |
| 08:29.38 | robboplus | enouf interesting conclusion :) |
| 08:29.46 | tralala | enouf, you've got me - I'm a fake |
| 08:29.51 | enouf | ddalton_: you have a custom etch speakup kernel now |
| 08:29.57 | robboplus | tralala you definetly are |
| 08:30.01 | ddalton_ | enouf, Because I want to expirement with patching a kernel. |
| 08:30.09 | ddalton_ | experiment |
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| 08:30.36 | tralala | ddalton_, install linux-source-2.6.18 |
| 08:31.08 | enouf | ddalton_: http://packages.debian.org/sid/linux-source-2.6.22/all/download is what you want, and what i'm working with for you |
| 08:31.09 | wols_ | ddalton_: patching is best done with vanilla sources |
| 08:31.11 | tralala | keep in mind that debian kernels are quite patched already so you're patches might not apply cleanly |
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| 08:31.15 | wols_ | not already patched distro kernels |
| 08:31.19 | tralala | your |
| 08:31.31 | enouf | ddalton_: what;s wrong with your kernel though? |
| 08:31.50 | tralala | enouf, you're not paying attention - he asks for an *etch* kernel |
| 08:31.57 | enouf | ddalton_: i also grabbed 2.6.23 from kernel.org |
| 08:32.02 | ddalton_ | hmmm??? I just lost speech... |
| 08:32.29 | ddalton_ | hang on need to reboot my screenreader is broken. |
| 08:32.37 | enouf | ddalton_: and made a deb already, but make-kpkg croaked on the initrd, afaict |
| 08:33.01 | enouf | tralala: i happen to know his situation real well |
| 08:33.44 | tralala | enouf, so you know him better that he does? Are you Google?!? |
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| 08:34.26 | wols_ | enouf: why would you make an initrd on a custom kernel? |
| 08:34.27 | enouf | tralala: just because i have friends is no reason for you to be paranoid ;-) |
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| 08:34.40 | enouf | wols_: too easy |
| 08:34.48 | ddalton | ok thats better. |
| 08:34.58 | ddalton | What was the command? sorry I just lost speech |
| 08:35.02 | tralala | enouf, hey as wols_ sais just because I'm paranoid doesn't mean you're not there to get me! |
| 08:35.07 | enouf | you guys go ahead... take it away folks ;-) |
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| 08:35.37 | enouf | tralala: ahh already stealing other's quotes? not even a 1/2 hour old? rofl |
| 08:35.53 | ddalton | who told me the command before? |
| 08:35.53 | tralala | heh :) |
| 08:36.14 | tralala | ddalton, if you want the etch kernel: aptitude install linux-source-2.6.18 |
| 08:36.51 | tralala | ddalton, keep in mind that it's already quite patched so your patches might not apply cleanly. If that's the case you'll have to get a vanilla kernel. |
| 08:36.52 | rcbarnes | So I just dist-upgraded my system, and zsh broke. Is something in a bad mood in lenny these days? |
| 08:37.29 | tralala | rcbarnes, you could say that, yes |
| 08:38.23 | rcbarnes | tralala: meaning... what exactly? zsh's broken? or are you referring to the natural level of disorder in testing? |
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| 08:39.03 | tralala | rcbarnes, I'm referring to the natural level of disorder and particularly to it's current state |
| 08:39.12 | tralala | its |
| 08:39.13 | enouf | ddalton: your kernel source is here ; http://people.debian.org/~shane/speakup/kernel/linux-2.6_2.6.18.dfsg.1.orig.tar.gz |
| 08:39.20 | dimir | Morning! |
| 08:39.31 | rcbarnes | tralala: Worse than usual? |
| 08:39.41 | tralala | indeed |
| 08:39.55 | ronr | I just installed the ldapdns package, how do I get this going? documentation is quite poor, both in the package and on the website, anyone has a sample ldif for a domain or something (and is just adding stuff to the ldap directory enough?) |
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| 08:40.13 | rcbarnes | Is there somewhere where the level or brokenness is _succintly_ documented so I can time my dist-upgrades better? |
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| 08:40.33 | wols_ | rcbarnes: no |
| 08:40.35 | rcbarnes | I lost my nvidia drivers last time, and I'm actually quite fond of zsh. |
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| 08:40.50 | tralala | rcbarnes, no, but there's stable where the level of brokenness is kept to the possible minimum. |
| 08:40.51 | wols_ | rcbarnes: do you think maintainers put in those bugs and brokennes on purpose? |
| 08:41.22 | riz_ | Hi guys. I need to choose a netinst debian image for installing it on intel quad core. Which one I must choose ? amd-64 ? |
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| 08:41.40 | rcbarnes | wols_: obviously not, but before they're fixed they're documented somewhere |
| 08:41.48 | wols_ | rcbarnes: yes, or the i386 |
| 08:41.57 | wols_ | !btssmite rcbarnes |
| 08:42.16 | wols_ | riz_: yes, or the i386. how much memory do you have? |
| 08:42.29 | riz_ | wols_ 4 Ghz |
| 08:42.30 | wols_ | riz_: and: desktop or server? |
| 08:42.35 | rcbarnes | Yes. Reading all that (which i _did_ know about) is quite the easy and short task. |
| 08:42.35 | ddalton | was the command "aptitude install +linux-source-2.6.18" |
| 08:42.36 | ddalton | ? |
| 08:42.37 | riz_ | wols_ desktop. |
| 08:42.46 | wols_ | riz_: you have 4GHz memory? |
| 08:42.52 | riz_ | wols_ yes |
| 08:43.04 | tralala | riz_, is your cpu 64bit? Do you want to run 64bit OS? |
| 08:43.07 | wols_ | riz_: you are lieing |
| 08:43.35 | rcbarnes | wols_: I'm just thinking that summation of it might the the job of someone's clever script somewhere. |
| 08:43.38 | riz_ | tralala don't know..May be quad core is 64 bit |
| 08:43.42 | wols_ | *unless, wait a sec. is ti all SRAM? |
| 08:44.08 | ddalton | I have an old kernel here. Ill just patch it and see what happens |
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| 08:44.23 | rcbarnes | Someone point me in the direction of the least painful downgrade-to-etch guide. |
| 08:44.25 | ddalton | thanks for the help |
| 08:44.32 | tralala | rcbarnes, reinstall |
| 08:44.36 | wols_ | !downgrade |
| 08:44.37 | dpkg | methinks downgrade is not possible with apt-get currently. No future support is anticipated. Some programs change the binary format of their files in a way that cannot be rolled back later, and package maintainer scripts provide ways to upgrade to new config file formats but not ways to downgrade. You can always try to downgrade a package using dpkg -i <olderversion.deb>. |
| 08:44.41 | tralala | backup and reinstall, actually |
| 08:45.10 | rcbarnes | impossible. I've a 1.5 TB array that cannot be backed up anywhere. |
| 08:45.17 | riz_ | wols_ what "lieing" means ? :) |
| 08:45.33 | wols_ | it means I'm a foruhner, I'm allowed |
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| 08:46.23 | tralala | rcbarnes, don't backup the data area, just the settings. And be sure to not mess up the data area when you install. |
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| 08:47.13 | rcbarnes | tralala: I'm so uncomfortable with that. It's all on an array that required a lot of coaxing because the etch installer was based on too old a kernel. |
| 08:47.27 | wols_ | !tell rcbarnes about kmuto |
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| 08:47.45 | wlen | is this #ubuntu??? |
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| 08:47.55 | XoX | are there any arguments passed to if-up.d scripts? |
| 08:48.01 | XoX | like ip addresses? |
| 08:48.15 | rcbarnes | Maybe over winter break. I can't afford to toast my seinor work this close to the end of the semester. |
| 08:48.16 | tralala | rcbarnes, it helps when you do your research before hand. At this point you either take the risks and reinstall or keep using lenny until it is released. |
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| 08:49.26 | tralala | and when you get it to a satisfactory condition, _stop_ upgrdeing |
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| 08:49.54 | Grunged | hi all |
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| 08:50.22 | Grunged | is there any method to customise packages by compiling it from source using apt-get source? |
| 08:50.47 | tralala | Grunged, yes |
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| 08:51.04 | Grunged | like, can you pass ./configure flags to it? |
| 08:51.13 | wols_ | Grunged: get the source with apt-get source, change it, build the package and install it |
| 08:51.17 | wols_ | Grunged: yes you can |
| 08:51.21 | tralala | Grunged, yes, by editiing debian/rules |
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| 08:52.00 | tralala | then you build with dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot |
| 08:52.13 | rcbarnes | wols_: See, this is what I was looking for when you sent dpkg on an assault mission against me: http://bugs.debian.org/release-critical/ |
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| 08:52.47 | tralala | rcbarnes, the release-critical bugs are mainly useful during a freeze |
| 08:54.04 | wols_ | rcbarnes: dpkg pointed you to b.d.o. which is the proper place to look |
| 08:54.12 | Grunged | I checked out the link here, but it didn't say anything about how to edit the make rules...can anyone point me to any tutorial/thread? http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/apt-howto/ch-sourcehandling.en.html |
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| 08:55.04 | rcbarnes | wols_: Isn't that a little... vast to peruse before upgrading? |
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| 08:55.43 | tralala | rcbarnes, it is. That's why testing isn't meant for production use. |
| 08:55.47 | Grunged | tralala, woIs : thanx |
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| 08:57.22 | tralala | Grunged, /msg dpkg rebuild from debian source |
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| 08:59.30 | fundesktop | why are there no new updates in debian unstable since days? |
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| 09:00.03 | tralala | fundesktop, why would there by any? |
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| 09:00.34 | fundesktop | tralala: normally, there are always at least a few per day |
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| 09:01.34 | lhadji | exit |
| 09:01.40 | tralala | fundesktop, I guess we're in a "statistical noise" period |
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| 09:02.06 | fundesktop | tralala: rather reminds me of the time when ftp master was down |
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| 09:05.56 | manu_hack | is it possible to change the font in the text terminal without a reboot? |
| 09:06.01 | simonrvn | nah, got some earlier |
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| 09:08.03 | BaD-DebianLenny | manu_hack: should be able to put something like that in your ~/.profile or ~/.bash_profile |
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| 09:08.43 | pmjdebruijn | lo |
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| 09:09.16 | pmjdebruijn | I'm installing several packages into a chroot, however, when installing those packages, the daemons (in the packages, like samba/cups/etc) are automatically started |
| 09:09.19 | pmjdebruijn | can I disable taht |
| 09:09.20 | pmjdebruijn | that* |
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| 09:09.26 | gamag | after I have upgraded to Pidgin from GAIM I see many messages like this:- If this is your nickname, type /msg NickServ IDENTIFY <password> #x2; #x2; what are they? how can I remove it? |
| 09:09.28 | War_Lord | hi all |
| 09:09.29 | War_Lord | good evening |
| 09:09.55 | Eclipser | gamag, your nickname is registered |
| 09:10.08 | manu_hack | BaD-DebianLenny: sorry I mean the text term in tty1, like typing c-a-F1 |
| 09:10.12 | tralala | manu_hack, in console yes, for an X terminal I think you have to restart |
| 09:10.33 | Mark17 | in what file are the logins for ssh stored? |
| 09:10.36 | gamag | Eclipser: that's not what I am talking about. I am saying it is cluttering the output with those #x2 and junk codes. how can I make it remove or ignore it |
| 09:10.40 | BaD-DebianLenny | i'm at a bit of a dillima. i'm running debian/lenny in a vbox under ubuntu/gutsy. i'm almost torn cuz i'm using the vbox more than the main host. :P |
| 09:10.50 | tralala | Mark17, in /etc/passwd |
| 09:10.54 | BaD-DebianLenny | manu_hack: oh, i'm not familiar. :( |
| 09:11.15 | Eclipser | gamag, oh, that's probably some IRC control codes which it doesn't knwo how to process (bold or smoething ?) |
| 09:11.21 | Eclipser | damn, I can't typöe today |
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| 09:11.56 | gamag | Eclipser: but why should it show them as junk. why not plain ignore them. it makes messages very difficult to read |
| 09:12.10 | bzed | gamag: use the right encoding |
| 09:12.28 | bzed | gamag: utf8 for example. depends on the server I guess. |
| 09:12.31 | gamag | bzed: where can I set the encoding |
| 09:12.38 | bzed | gamag: no clue |
| 09:12.38 | gamag | I am connecting to freenode |
| 09:12.51 | Eclipser | gamag, ask pidegon devs :) |
| 09:12.54 | bzed | somewhere in the pidging settings |
| 09:12.54 | manu_hack | BaD-DebianLenny, tralala , thx |
| 09:13.58 | Mark17 | which service is used for the authentication? |
| 09:14.18 | tralala | authentication of what? |
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| 09:14.48 | Mark17 | for example when i do su root |
| 09:15.05 | Mark17 | or login with ssh |
| 09:15.07 | tralala | pam |
| 09:15.19 | simonrvn | no "service" does that unless you're using NIS or LDAP or such |
| 09:15.27 | tralala | for ssh logins it depends on the ssh setup |
| 09:15.37 | simonrvn | though technically PAM could qualify as a service |
| 09:15.54 | simonrvn | but it's not deamon based as is installed on most hosts |
| 09:15.57 | simonrvn | dae* |
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| 09:16.51 | Mark17 | and what is used for passwd [username]? |
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| 09:17.32 | simonrvn | pam |
| 09:17.46 | erpo | Mark17: The passwd program is linked against the PAM library. By manipulating /etc/pam.d/passwd, you can change how passwd does its job. |
| 09:18.18 | Mark17 | how can i reload that? |
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| 09:18.32 | tralala | more importantly you can totally mess up your system |
| 09:18.33 | erpo | Mark17: I believe it's loaded every time you run the passwd program. |
| 09:18.52 | Mark17 | erpo: it is not for as far as i can see |
| 09:19.04 | erpo | Yes, that too. It goes without saying that you shouldn't edit configuration files unless you know what you're doing. |
| 09:19.15 | War_Lord | can i get " Script " for Loading Balancing in Linux Server ? |
| 09:19.27 | Mark17 | i added some users in /etc/passwd |
| 09:19.33 | Mark17 | from another server |
| 09:19.39 | tralala | for pam this probably matters more than for anything else |
| 09:19.46 | erpo | Mark17: What exactly do you want to do? |
| 09:20.09 | SevenIsPrime | can someone tell me, what the message "run-parts: /etc/resolvconf/update.d/libc exited with return code 1" is trying to tell me? What does libc have to do with resolv.conf? And how do I correct that? |
| 09:20.41 | Mark17 | make it possible for the new users to login to ssh and give me (the root) the option to use passwd |
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| 09:21.36 | tralala | you already have the option to use passwd |
| 09:21.48 | tralala | adding new users is done with adduser <username> |
| 09:21.50 | simonrvn | this is why when you play with pam, you make sure you have an admin (i.e. root) console/term open |
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| 09:22.20 | Mark17 | tralala: for that way i need to know their current password |
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| 09:22.39 | dondelelcaro | Mark17: not if you're root. |
| 09:22.50 | Mark17 | and i dont have the old passwords |
| 09:23.07 | tralala | Mark17, the current password of the not-yet created users? |
| 09:23.08 | Mark17 | because they need to keep the same passwords |
| 09:23.22 | Mark17 | the users where created on an other system |
| 09:23.44 | tralala | Mark17, add them with adduser and then replace the password entries in /etc/passwd |
| 09:24.16 | tralala | only the password field, don't substitute the whole line |
| 09:24.26 | dondelelcaro | /etc/shadow, actually. |
| 09:24.33 | tralala | erm, right |
| 09:25.38 | tralala | it will work as long as you've configured the two systems to use the same hashing algorithm |
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| 09:26.41 | tralala | perhaps using ldap will be a better solution |
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| 09:29.09 | erpo | Yeah, if you need single sign on, it's better to have one central database than two separate ones. |
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| 09:30.16 | spq | tralala, how can one configure the hashing algo? |
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| 09:31.08 | tralala | spq, you're asked by the isntaller. Later you should probably reconfigure some package, but I don't really know. |
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| 09:31.20 | spq | hmm |
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| 09:32.15 | fluxdude | i have a linux server which has a link light and an eth divice but ethtool says link detected no. I can't seem to make it work at all, when it did before... |
| 09:32.16 | spq | okay, but this is no problem since the password hash algo is added to the password itself, in fact you can mix algos |
| 09:32.49 | spq | fluxdude, what does dmesg say after replug of network cable? |
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| 09:33.00 | fluxdude | i can see a few tx packets but no rx packets and the network card is definitely plugged into a switch like everything else, the switch light is green for connected and the network card light is green for connected and there is also a data light flashing to show activity on the network card... |
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| 09:35.14 | tralala | spq, is it? how? |
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| 09:36.04 | War_Lord | can i get " Script " for Loading Balancing in Linux Server ? |
| 09:36.21 | fluxdude | spq: dmesg doesn't mention the card. The last reference was to it entering and leaving promiscuous mode |
| 09:36.30 | biz | is there a way to netboot the windows xp install cd from a remote machine? the ramote machine which is to be booted from the network has a 'nVidia Corporation MCP55 Ethernet (rev a2)' card, and I'm using an old 3com card. I could server the cd, any ideas howto do this? the remote machine has no CDROM, so thats why I'm trying this |
| 09:36.33 | fluxdude | this only happened after a power outage yesterday |
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| 09:36.57 | simonrvn | biz: this isn't #windows |
| 09:37.00 | tralala | biz, ask #windows |
| 09:37.46 | biz | and what about the debian packages for the netboot stuff to serve a bootable system? |
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| 09:38.18 | tralala | it serves a linux bootable system |
| 09:39.01 | tralala | is the windows xp installer linux based? |
| 09:39.06 | spq | tralala, the hash looks like $1$<init>$<hash> if its crypt, else it is md5 if i remember correctly |
| 09:39.35 | tralala | I think there's also sha1 |
| 09:40.01 | spq | $0$ or so (i dont know exactly, check crypt's man page |
| 09:40.17 | simonrvn | $1$ is md5 |
| 09:40.42 | spq | ah k, then the case where it foes not begin ith $ is sha1 - right? |
| 09:40.47 | enouf | there's a salt added to /etc/shadows' passwds iirc |
| 09:41.01 | spq | thats what i meant with init |
| 09:41.01 | sep | biz, yes you can install windows xp from linux pxe booted machine, you run the winxp installer in dosemu. the project unattended.sf net does just this,. i have it working fine. on about 500 winxp machines |
| 09:41.17 | biz | tralala: i thought pxe or bootp+tftp can server any bootable system? is it just for linux? |
| 09:41.26 | biz | sep: thanks! |
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| 09:41.50 | sep | biz, performance is mainly down to how many patches you can slipstream onto the winxp image. since installing all the security updates afterwards takes lots of time |
| 09:42.13 | tralala | biz, yes bootp+tftp can serve anything, but it's up to the thing to actually start working once it's been served |
| 09:42.39 | spq | biz, it coud start every application but the application has to get its data |
| 09:42.41 | pmjdebruijn | sep: nlite/wud is great for that |
| 09:42.51 | sep | pmjdebruijn, yes. |
| 09:42.58 | sep | that's what i used too |
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| 09:43.47 | fengor | nlite was for making customized windows cds right? |
| 09:43.58 | snewp | yes |
| 09:44.15 | sep | fengor, yes, but i use it ONLY to slipstream patches. all other settings i do thru unattended |
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| 09:44.56 | sep | i should spent more time getting windows installed thru fai. would be nice to have only 1 system to worry about |
| 09:44.58 | biz | sep: using dosemu, is there an even easier way? its only one machine. its ssh-only and it has a free partition I want to abuse for winxp. perhaps I can install windows even easier without a netboot? can I netmount the cd or sth. and use grub to boot the cd image or sth. like this? |
| 09:45.06 | sep | i use fai to install nonwindows systems |
| 09:45.27 | simonrvn | The glibc2 version of this function has the following additional features. If salt is a character string starting with the three characters "$1$" followed by at most eight characters, and optionally terminated by "$", then instead of using the DES machine, the glibc crypt function uses an MD5-based algorithm, and outputs up to 34 bytes, namely "$1$<salt>$<encoded>", where "<salt>" stands for the up to 8 characters following "$1$" in the salt, |
| 09:45.38 | sep | biz, for only 1 machine. i'd use a usb mounted cdrom. :P |
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| 09:46.26 | biz | sep: but I don't have phylical access, I only have a serial console so I'm able to get into the bios and stuff from remote |
| 09:46.32 | sep | biz, you could perhaps partition and format the hd using a livecd, then copy the windows xp install files into the filesystem, boot a winxp bootable floppy and run the installer there |
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| 09:46.50 | sep | biz, how did you expect to use the machine once you have xp on it ??? |
| 09:46.59 | sep | it's not like there is vnc or rdp out of the box :) |
| 09:47.30 | biz | well thats the next thing I have to discuss in #windows then :-) |
| 09:47.36 | sep | biz, install on a identical machine localy, then dd the hd image over to the remote one |
| 09:47.37 | biz | but thanks however |
| 09:47.55 | spq | you have bios access over serial console? nice... how does this work? |
| 09:48.04 | sep | biz, btw setting up netboot and unattended is _WAY_ overkill for 1 machine |
| 09:48.12 | sep | perhaps he meant kvm ? |
| 09:48.25 | fluxdude | how the heck can my network interface have a link and activity light as well as statically assigned IP and yet ethtool says link down and I' can't ping anything! |
| 09:48.41 | tralala | funny - it says des and md5 but iirc the installer says md5 and sha1 |
| 09:48.43 | susanne-- | trying to use an older ATI chip. don't need 3d or acceleration or anything. i'm getting "Failed to set up write-combining range" out of Xorg.0.log. What next? |
| 09:48.53 | biz | sep: no I'm non sure if its called serial console its a remote rescue console don't know whats the real name for it |
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| 09:52.23 | susanne-- | okay then. |
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| 09:52.39 | spq | biz, you see the screen and have access to the keyboard - then its a kv(m) console |
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| 09:53.29 | spq | tralala, i think sha1 is the hashing algo for DES |
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| 09:54.27 | biz | spq: yeah exactly, thanks |
| 09:55.02 | tralala | spq, ah, that would explain it |
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| 09:55.44 | ruben_ | Hello, using a dell poweredgde, I get sometimes this error ata1.00: exception Emask 0x0 SAct 0x0 SErr 0x40000000 action 0x2 frozen, and the controller disconnects untile 5 seconds, any idea about that? |
| 09:55.56 | CBG | Anyone know how to change the startup disk from within debian to another drive? I only have the base installation, no GUI... |
| 09:56.53 | spq | whats a startup disc? the active boot device, the cd in your cd drive, ...? |
| 09:57.42 | CBG | I have the HD in the machine split into two partitions, both are bootable. I want to boot from the _other_ one... |
| 09:57.55 | sep | what is the best imap server in debian ? by best i mean lowest impact on the underlaying storage. heavy local cache and snappy response to users |
| 09:58.02 | spq | you have to do this in the bios |
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| 09:58.31 | Penix_ | or configure your bootloader like a normal person |
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| 09:58.42 | CBG | spq: debian has no such option..? :/ |
| 09:58.57 | CBG | Penix_: ok, any pointers on how to do this in yaboot? |
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| 09:59.15 | spq | ah im wrong youhave one drive not two |
| 09:59.24 | AustinPowers | Hi all, i have same memory problem with debian 4. Is there sameone that can help me? |
| 09:59.24 | spq | yes you have to change the bootloader |
| 09:59.27 | Penix_ | CBG: google for dual boot instructions specific to yaboot. bound to have a config file for you to learn from |
| 09:59.48 | CBG | why is nothing ever easy? :| *sigh* |
| 10:00.00 | Penix_ | CBG: you *are* using yaboot ;) |
| 10:00.15 | CBG | Penix_: not by choice. It came with debian. |
| 10:00.20 | spq | sep, test it - i use courier on one machine and cyrrus on an older one (unrelated projects) |
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| 10:01.50 | CBG | Where would the yaboot config be under debian? |
| 10:02.15 | spq | /etc ? |
| 10:02.23 | spq | or /boot |
| 10:02.34 | CBG | thanks |
| 10:02.36 | Penix_ | CBG: /etc/yaboot.conf |
| 10:02.48 | spq | (i only know grub and lilo, grub uses /boot/grub, lilo /etc/lilo.conf |
| 10:03.03 | CBG | yep Penix_ was right |
| 10:03.06 | ricosecada | Hi. I am trying to set the spelling language of xchat running a multilanguage setup with debian testing. How do I specify that xchat spelling language is english and not my native setup language? |
| 10:03.26 | CBG | I could probably make this work if I knew more info about the drive... |
| 10:03.39 | spq | ricosecada, i think the env variable LANG is used |
| 10:04.13 | ricosecada | spq, if I change that, wont that effect other apps? |
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| 10:04.29 | spq | if you globally change it yes |
| 10:04.37 | spq | but why change it globally? |
| 10:04.47 | spq | you can start apps like so: LANG=C xchat |
| 10:05.06 | spq | LANG=C changes to programmers default, if i remember correctly |
| 10:05.12 | CBG | bleh? permission denied to write to the file? |
| 10:05.23 | CBG | chmod it? :/ |
| 10:05.25 | Penix_ | CBG: got root? |
| 10:05.28 | spq | you arent root |
| 10:05.29 | CBG | or su? |
| 10:05.36 | CBG | should be anyway, but... ok |
| 10:05.36 | spq | su |
| 10:05.37 | ricosecada | spq, thanks finally something to work with :-) |
| 10:07.16 | CBG | su says authentcation error everytime when i know it is the right password. |
| 10:07.22 | AustinPowers | Hi all, i have same memory problem with debian 4. Is there sameone that can help me? |
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| 10:07.48 | sauvin | http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0833030477 |
| 10:07.59 | LinuxHelp | What command can I type in to update my time using one of the time servers? |
| 10:08.04 | tralala | AustinPowers, same? |
| 10:09.10 | spq | some |
| 10:09.17 | AustinPowers | hi tralala |
| 10:09.29 | spq | AustinPowers, probably everyone can help you probably no one |
| 10:09.31 | tralala | hi |
| 10:09.34 | spq | who knows |
| 10:09.53 | AustinPowers | true |
| 10:10.03 | AustinPowers | my problem is this |
| 10:10.04 | spq | noone who doesnt know the question or the problem... |
| 10:10.25 | AustinPowers | i have a old pc where i have Debian running on |
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| 10:11.08 | AustinPowers | i updated it from 3.1 to 4.0 |
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| 10:11.25 | sarefo | i lost a directory during an etch->lenny upgrade (/var/www/websvn), don't ask me why... the question is, how do i refill it, if re-installing websvn won't do the job? |
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| 10:11.36 | bzed | LinuxHelp: either use ntpdate (which updates the time once at boot, or when you call it manually) or install a time server which will keep your computers time in sync, like openntpd |
| 10:11.52 | wols_ | sarefo: reconfigure websvn? or tryp /msg dpkg confmiss |
| 10:12.14 | AustinPowers | now i have memory problems (Cache is now 58% and 41% in use by programma's) |
| 10:12.27 | spq | sarefo, purge it and reinstall it |
| 10:12.29 | sarefo | wols_: i tried reconfiguring it, that did not bring back the dir either |
| 10:12.55 | sarefo | spq: how do i purge it? i uninstalled it, that's different, right? |
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| 10:13.03 | wols_ | AustinPowers: how is that bad? memory wants to be used, not free |
| 10:13.05 | spq | dpkg -P |
| 10:13.19 | tralala | hehe |
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| 10:13.33 | worldfighter_958 | hey everybody |
| 10:13.35 | spq | or aptget remove --purge |
| 10:13.38 | worldfighter_958 | http://www.pennergame.de/ref.php?refid=4591432 |
| 10:14.02 | tralala | worldfighter_958, are you spamming us? |
| 10:14.06 | et | yes he is |
| 10:14.25 | AustinPowers | True, but if i start any other program the system gets very slow |
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| 10:14.45 | tralala | AustinPowers, how much ram do you have? |
| 10:14.53 | LinuxHelp | I am using debian 3.1, with kernel "Linux actionpos.co.za 2.4.27-1um #1 Thu Apr 7 09:39:27 BST 2005 i686 GNU/Linux" is it safe to upgrade to to debian 4.0 ? |
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| 10:14.56 | AustinPowers | even if i end any other programs |
| 10:14.56 | spq | AustinPowers, remove running services, buy ram |
| 10:15.03 | LinuxHelp | Its a virtual computer see |
| 10:15.05 | AustinPowers | 512 mb |
| 10:15.14 | wols_ | !tell LinuxHelp about sarge->etch |
| 10:15.33 | wols_ | LinuxHelp: then it's not cause you need a special kernel |
| 10:15.36 | spq | AustinPowers, should be enought |
| 10:15.40 | wols_ | AustinPowers:that's plenty |
| 10:16.17 | AustinPowers | the system runs fine |
| 10:16.21 | tralala | AustinPowers, paste the output of pstree && ps axu to http://rafb.net/paste |
| 10:16.24 | LinuxHelp | Anyway, I wouldnt bother upgrading if only I could get the ntpdate package for debian 3.1 |
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| 10:16.44 | tralala | LinuxHelp, /msg dpkg simple sid backport |
| 10:16.56 | tralala | works with etch sources too |
| 10:17.07 | rysiek|pl | hi all... any sed gurus around? :) |
| 10:17.17 | tralala | rysiek|pl, in #bash |
| 10:17.21 | bzed | LinuxHelp: ntpdate is in sarge for sure |
| 10:17.43 | AustinPowers | Same how the memory will not release samething, but i can't find out what... |
| 10:17.46 | bzed | LinuxHelp: http://packages.debian.org/sarge/ntpdate |
| 10:17.53 | sarefo | damn, i purged it, reinstalled it, and still there's nothing in the directory... |
| 10:17.55 | wols_ | AustinPowers: top |
| 10:18.00 | spq | AustinPowers, what does free say? |
| 10:18.10 | CBG | I followed the "Setting which OS yaboot automatically loads" section at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/YabootConfigurationForMacintoshPowerPCsDualBoot - no luck. Debian still boots. |
| 10:18.29 | LinuxHelp | bzed, yes, but how do I config my sources.list to use sarge packages? |
| 10:18.32 | Penix_ | CBG: you need to tell yaboot to present you with a menu |
| 10:18.35 | bzed | CBG: isn't that what you want? /me *ducks* |
| 10:18.36 | rysiek|pl | thx tralala |
| 10:18.41 | Penix_ | CBG: of bootable partitions |
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| 10:19.02 | Penix_ | CBG: or just type the name or number or whatever at the prompt |
| 10:19.10 | AustinPowers | Mem: 516860 510080 6780 0 45868 242308 |
| 10:19.15 | LinuxHelp | "deb http://http.us.debian.org/debian stable main contrib non-free" gives me etch |
| 10:19.22 | CBG | Penix_: read more, it should "change which OS is automatically selected". I added the macosx=... line and then "defaultos=macosx" |
| 10:19.25 | LinuxHelp | I suppose I'll try replacing stable with sarge |
| 10:19.31 | sarefo | spq: i purged it, but should i have manually deleted the /var/www/websvn dir too? |
| 10:19.43 | spq | LinuxHelp, dont use stable, use etch, sarge, what ever but not stable |
| 10:19.56 | spq | yes delete it |
| 10:20.45 | spq | "stable" is an unstable link to the curent "stable" debian version |
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| 10:21.34 | spq | if a new version of debian comes out you can have problems if you dont want to update right now but install new packags from your current debian version |
| 10:21.46 | fry | hello, once i installed eclipse i had this nifty little feature that if i moved my mouse-curser over a function, a little window popped-up and showed me its definition. this doesn't work anymore... could anyone tell me please where to acrivate/deactivate this? i know i should ask in #eclipse, i already did, but no ones responding... :/ |
| 10:22.13 | Maulkin | fry: We can't help. |
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| 10:22.18 | spq | fry, #java ? |
| 10:22.42 | sarefo | spq: ok, i deleted the dir /var/www/websvn, purged + reinstalled, the dir is gone. that ... sucks. |
| 10:22.43 | bzed | LinuxHelp: if you've installed sarge, yes, you'll have to replace stable by sarge in /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 10:22.45 | LinuxHelp | spq, If my sources.list is now configured for sarge, and I've run apt-get update, is it now safe to run apt-get dist-upgrade? |
| 10:22.46 | CBG | perl_cont: the prompt thing lets me choose between linux and the cd drive. I inserted the 10.4 disk again and tried pressing c, both the cd and debian bombed like when I tried to boot holding in the c key earlier. |
| 10:22.46 | Penix_ | We all roll around in piles of Netbeans CDs every night |
| 10:22.53 | bzed | LinuxHelp: or you read the release notes and upgrade to etch :) |
| 10:23.10 | spq | LinuxHelp, why would you like to upgrade? |
| 10:23.13 | tralala | fry, install vim |
| 10:23.20 | spq | i thought you would stay at sarge |
| 10:23.24 | LinuxHelp | spq I dont want to upgrade |
| 10:23.31 | spq | then dont use dist upgrade |
| 10:23.39 | bzed | LinuxHelp: no need to run dist-upgrade then |
| 10:23.52 | spq | except you have had woody before |
| 10:23.54 | bzed | LinuxHelp: well, it shouldn't change anything at all |
| 10:23.58 | LinuxHelp | spq I was under the impression that dist upgrade would upgrade libc etc, while apt-get upgrade wouldnt |
| 10:24.12 | LinuxHelp | But I still want to keep 3.1 yes |
| 10:24.15 | sarefo | how can i look inside an apt-get archive? that is, where are the downloaded ones located? (will use mc then) |
| 10:24.21 | spq | you are right but you dont want to upgrade anything, right? |
| 10:24.40 | bzed | LinuxHelp: dist-upgrade will only change things if you'll upgrade to etch by using stable (or etch) in the sources.list |
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| 10:24.57 | bzed | LinuxHelp: otherwise dist-upgrade just does nothing (well, probably it'll isntall security updates) |
| 10:25.16 | LinuxHelp | I am just worried that when my sources.list was set to stable it may have installed some etch packages, and thus, I now want to run dist upgrade to correct thtat |
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| 10:25.44 | LinuxHelp | probably nothing to worry about though |
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| 10:25.59 | spq | just run apt-get upgrade |
| 10:26.10 | spq | it will say you if something would get downgraded |
| 10:26.31 | ronr | anyone knows a dhcp server in debian that I configure so that it calls some external program after assigning a IP address (I want to have variables for the assigned IP, the hostname in the external program)? |
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| 10:29.31 | spq | ronr, you could watch the leases file |
| 10:29.46 | spq | that should work with every dhcp daemon |
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| 10:30.52 | LinuxHelp | http://rafb.net/p/QdZiYK32.html |
| 10:30.55 | ronr | spq: you mean like a 5 minute crontab that checks its md5 sum and calles the external program if it has changed |
| 10:31.11 | LinuxHelp | I accidently installed tzdata from etch before I realised what I was doing earlier |
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| 10:32.12 | LinuxHelp | How can I check my current libc versin? |
| 10:32.16 | LinuxHelp | *version |
| 10:32.43 | nkuttler | LinuxHelp: dpkg -l libc6, look at dpkg --force-help too |
| 10:33.03 | ronr | LinuxHelp: that's 2.3.2.ds1-22sarge4 (according to your paste) |
| 10:33.24 | LinuxHelp | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:33.26 | spq | LinuxHelp: /lib/libc.so.6 |
| 10:34.01 | LinuxHelp | Well, I guess I'm half way there, can 4.0 work with 2.4 kernels? |
| 10:34.09 | spq | yes |
| 10:34.22 | LinuxHelp | spq, I dont have to do anything funny? |
| 10:34.35 | spq | i dont know, i just know that it works |
| 10:34.48 | ronr | LinuxHelp: doing stuff with debian is always fun(ny) |
| 10:34.50 | spq | we have to run one machine with an 2.4 kernel for an old app |
| 10:35.12 | spq | but i didnt changed the kernel |
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| 10:35.54 | spq | ronr, check inotify |
| 10:36.08 | CBG | Managed to get the yaboot prompt thing to list x - macosx, but when I press x, the prompt reappears. c still results in a double crash :/ |
| 10:36.10 | LinuxHelp | I'm just going to go for it and change to etch I think. Even if it fails and I have to re-install, it'll be quicker than fixing this tzdata problem |
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| 10:41.42 | ronr | LinuxHelp: I think the tzdata problem is quite easy to fix |
| 10:41.54 | ronr | why don't you just downgrade that one package? |
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| 10:50.08 | LinuxHelp | ronr, I'm on etch now. No problems, except for this placeholder web page I now have |
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| 10:50.57 | LinuxHelp | Fixed it |
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| 10:52.56 | LinuxHelp | I wonder, is it possible to do a live upgrade from ext2 to ext3? |
| 10:52.59 | XoX | is it possible to have dhcplient to run a script with ENV variables for default router dns server ipa ddress etc..? |
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| 10:53.10 | XoX | after bringing the interface up |
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| 10:53.50 | wols_ | why? |
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| 10:54.14 | erpo | LinuxHelp: Yes. |
| 10:54.34 | wols_ | DNS: check /etc/resolv.conf, route: check output of route, IP(s): check ifconfig, etc |
| 10:54.35 | erpo | LinuxHelp: tune2fs |
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| 10:55.27 | spq | ext3 is ext2 with journalling option enabled nothing else |
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| 10:56.28 | fluxdude | bloody hell, since the power cut yesterday, none of my linux machines seem to be able to mount another share using cifs. What the hell is going on? |
| 10:56.31 | fluxdude | They all get the same error in the logs: |
| 10:56.36 | fluxdude | CIFS VFS: cifs_mount failed w/return code = -22 |
| 10:57.08 | tralala | the cifs server broke? |
| 10:57.31 | fluxdude | this happens when trying to mount shares on either windows or linux boxes. Perhaps this was caused by a recent samba upgrade or something...? |
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| 10:58.27 | fluxdude | tralala: no because some of them are windows and some are linux. |
| 10:58.34 | fluxdude | they can't all have broken everywhere... |
| 10:59.06 | wols_ | fluxdude: when were your kernel and smbclient updated last? |
| 10:59.17 | LinuxHelp | erpo, well, unfortunately I ran "e2fsck -n /dev/root" and it wasn't happy at all, lots of filesystem errors. What strategy, I mean, how would I go about fixing those if I only have ssh access to the computer? |
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| 10:59.48 | LinuxHelp | I haven't switched to ext3 yet |
| 10:59.52 | ronr | anyone knows how I can create some ldap user that can add, modify and delete stuff in a subtree (so I don't have to use the cn=admin root kind account from scripts)? |
| 10:59.56 | wols_ | fluxdude: echo 1 >/proc/fs/cifs/cifsFYI |
| 11:00.35 | wols_ | LinuxHelp: remount the fs read only and fsck. or touch /forcefsck and reboot |
| 11:00.59 | spq | LinuxHelp,mount / ro fix the errors and reboot |
| 11:01.13 | LinuxHelp | Ok I'll try that now |
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| 11:01.36 | LinuxHelp | mount: / is busy |
| 11:01.39 | LinuxHelp | Hmm |
| 11:02.21 | spq | was hast versucht? |
| 11:02.30 | ronr | LinuxHelp: reboot with to /bin/sh as init and try it from there |
| 11:02.42 | LinuxHelp | ronr, only ssh sorry |
| 11:02.47 | spq | ah wrong lang ^^ |
| 11:03.27 | ronr | LinuxHelp: did you do mount -o remount,ro / ? |
| 11:03.39 | LinuxHelp | ronr, yes, failed with / is bust |
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| 11:03.48 | LinuxHelp | So this touch /forcefsck will work on 2.4 kernel? |
| 11:04.01 | LinuxHelp | Or perhaps it has nothing to do with kernel? |
| 11:04.13 | XoX | wols_: i need it for scripting |
| 11:04.15 | LinuxHelp | bust = busy |
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| 11:04.46 | darkskiez | ronr: see the access control stuff in slapd.conf |
| 11:05.32 | fluxdude | wols_: that debug doesn't really give me anything useful. |
| 11:05.36 | simonrvn | LinuxHelp: has 0 to do with kernel |
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| 11:06.09 | darkskiez | ronr: access to dn=".*,ou=subree,dc=thing,dc=com" by dn="cn=user,dc=thing,dc=com" write |
| 11:06.29 | LinuxHelp | Well, 0 can be a success code, perhaps false would be more appropriate |
| 11:07.00 | LinuxHelp | simonrvn, thanks |
| 11:07.05 | simonrvn | you can take off the pedant hat now LinuxHelp ;) |
| 11:07.09 | ronr | darkskiez: thanks |
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| 11:11.43 | LinuxHelp | thanks all, perhaps my server will start up soon |
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| 11:17.43 | ronr | darkskiez: it says bad DN ".*,ou=Hosts,dc=thing,dc=com" |
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| 11:18.06 | deever | hi |
| 11:18.15 | deever | while compiling asterisk on a slug (with debian), suddenly i get this strange error: http://rafb.net/p/fnt9Kb15.html |
| 11:18.24 | deever | what's wrong? until here, there wasn't any problem with the arch? |
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| 11:19.17 | darkskiez | ronr: oh dear... i dont have an installation i can test with at the moment, but thats the sort of lines you should be looking at |
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| 11:20.03 | darkskiez | ronr: access to dn.subtree="ou=People,dc=example,dc=com" |
| 11:20.07 | ronr | darkskiez: ok, I'll dive into the ldap docs |
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| 11:21.33 | simonrvn | *sploosh* |
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| 11:22.59 | Caelum | on a 4 cpu box, in top, does 50% mean of all cpus or of one cpu? |
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| 11:23.39 | hathe | Caelum: press 1 in top |
| 11:23.52 | BaD_CrC | install 'htop' |
| 11:23.57 | Caelum | hathe: ahh thank you :) |
| 11:24.01 | Caelum | yes, htop is much nicer |
| 11:24.28 | Caelum | http://img174.imageshack.us/img174/82/cathtopdj0.png :) |
| 11:25.01 | BaD_CrC | hehe |
| 11:25.38 | DryRayvin | Hello, I've done a bit of googling and can't seem to find a solution. Does anyone happen to know a simple way to avoid packets logged via "drop-and-log-it" using an iptables firewall from being echo'ed on the screen? What I would like is to have that "off" and enable it to log to a file somewhere. Is this possible? |
| 11:25.40 | BaD_CrC | i might have to make a transparent background with something like that. |
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| 11:26.02 | simonrvn | !kernel printk |
| 11:26.11 | simonrvn | !kernel.printk |
| 11:26.42 | simonrvn | !printk console |
| 11:26.42 | dpkg | [printk console] see docs for sysctl and set kernel.printk to 3 4 1 7 or so. You can also use 'dmesg -n1' command. If you want to know what those numbers mean, see the file Documentation/filesystems/proc.txt in your kernel sources. |
| 11:27.06 | DryRayvin | ah, thanks |
| 11:27.12 | DryRayvin | Just didn't know exactly what to google hehe |
| 11:28.09 | fullpowanoshowa | Hi guys, using Debian Etch. I had an old school Realtek network card running fine as eth0, and I decided to turn off the comp and take it out, replace it with a newer realtek which is 100mbps. I turned the etch box back on and ifconfig does not show a eth0, only a lo. if i do ifconfig -a it shows a eth1 with Local Loopback set to its address? |
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| 11:28.45 | Caelum | fullpowanoshowa: check lsmod and lspci |
| 11:29.32 | BaD_CrC | lspci | grep -i ethernet |
| 11:29.48 | yang | how do I properly run "updateb" I cannot run it as root? |
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| 11:30.05 | Caelum | ahh, in regular top you have to press "I" to have the CPU% column be divided by total num of processors |
| 11:30.17 | Caelum | yang: you mean updatedb? |
| 11:30.28 | BaD_CrC | off to go shopping :) |
| 11:30.50 | BaD_CrC | bbl with an envision 22" ws lcd for $149 from best buy |
| 11:30.54 | yang | yes |
| 11:31.06 | fullpowanoshowa | lspci | grep -i ethernet is giving off the old driver I think. |
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| 11:31.34 | Caelum | yang: just "sudo updatedb & disown" should do it...also, debian by default runs it daily |
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| 11:31.46 | eth01 | 01:0c.0 Ethernet controller: 3Com Corporation 3c905C-TX/TX-M [Tornado] (rev 78) -- is this an O.K ethernet card? |
| 11:31.53 | Caelum | fullpowanoshowa: that's not possible, because you took out the old card |
| 11:31.59 | up365 | BaD_CrC, didn't they open like 2 hrs ago ? Probably all gone by now ;) |
| 11:32.15 | jelly | eth01: a decent 100Mbps card, yes |
| 11:32.37 | joey[] | I have swap problem, when I open VIM I get "unable to open swap". |
| 11:32.38 | fullpowanoshowa | Caelum? It's not possible that it didn't update the drivers? |
| 11:32.53 | fullpowanoshowa | So what could be the problem then? |
| 11:33.00 | joey[] | and I have swap registered in /etc/fstab ... |
| 11:33.36 | Caelum | fullpowanoshowa: you might have to load the appropriate module for your card |
| 11:33.54 | Caelum | fullpowanoshowa: lspci shows your hardware, not the drivers |
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| 11:37.41 | fullpowanoshowa | thanks everyone for heading me into right direction. will try find out what's going on with a module |
| 11:37.49 | Caelum | joey[]: vim doesn't use swap, it can't create a swap file for itself |
| 11:38.10 | Caelum | joey[]: does this happen as your user and as root? |
| 11:38.32 | joey[] | Caelum: yes, both |
| 11:38.42 | joey[] | and some serious problems are happening ... |
| 11:39.02 | joey[] | I tried " echo A > q" and I get -bash: q: read-only file system |
| 11:39.18 | Caelum | joey[]: what does mount say? |
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| 11:39.31 | myst | hi people |
| 11:39.52 | myst | anyone can help me with Priority field in packages? |
| 11:40.02 | myst | e.g. Debian Etch 4.0r1 |
| 11:40.21 | myst | Package: selinux-policy-refpolicy-targeted |
| 11:40.22 | joey[] | Caelum: pastebin.ca/794727 |
| 11:40.33 | eth01 | how do i enable color-use on my box? |
| 11:40.43 | jelly | joey[]: in context of vim, swap means its temporary file. |
| 11:40.49 | myst | 'apt-cache show' shows it as Priority: standard |
| 11:41.05 | myst | but 'dpkg -p' shows it as Priority: optional |
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| 11:41.42 | joey[] | jelly: I see, seems like I have bigger problems then vim .. :-( |
| 11:41.52 | jelly | joey[]: sounds like you have filesystem problems. does dmesg show anything suspicious? if you don't know, pastebin last 20-100 lines |
| 11:41.54 | myst | so, before installation package has 'standard' priority, but after - 'optional'. Why? |
| 11:42.01 | Caelum | joey[]: check your /var/log/kern.log |
| 11:42.02 | joey[] | also, fstab is here : pastebin.ca/794729 |
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| 11:42.16 | Caelum | joey[]: and messages |
| 11:42.26 | Caelum | joey[]: might be something happened to your hard drive |
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| 11:43.22 | joey[] | wow ... dmesg: pastebin.ca/794731 |
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| 11:44.06 | Caelum | joey[]: yeah, that's what I thought |
| 11:44.13 | Caelum | joey[]: is this a laptop? |
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| 11:44.36 | joey[] | nope, virtual machine under VMWare ESX server |
| 11:44.47 | joey[] | and that's on server |
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| 11:45.15 | jelly | joey[]: disk full / quota hit, and using a dynamic disk? |
| 11:45.35 | joey[] | jelly: sorry? |
| 11:45.56 | jelly | joey[]: do you use dynamic disks for guests? |
| 11:45.59 | joey[] | df -h shows me I used only 23% |
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| 11:46.27 | joey[] | inside virtual, so I should have space left |
| 11:46.42 | joey[] | except if it's missing on real machine where is vmware esx ? |
| 11:46.44 | jelly | joey[]: I'm asking about the host. |
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| 11:47.04 | jelly | joey[]: does your guest use a dynamic disk? |
| 11:47.36 | jelly | joey[]: if it does, do you have enough space on the filesystem storing the .vmdk for that guest? |
| 11:47.58 | deever | while compiling asterisk on a slug (with debian), suddenly i get this strange error: http://rafb.net/p/fnt9Kb15.html |
| 11:48.04 | joey[] | guest? how do I check it? |
| 11:48.06 | deever | what's wrong? until here, there wasn't any problem with the arch? |
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| 11:50.39 | jelly | joey[]: you would need to have access to the vmware host. |
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| 11:51.14 | eth01 | hwo do i untar this -> fancybash-1.1.tar.bz2 |
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| 11:51.49 | myst | eth01: tar jxf file |
| 11:51.50 | joey[] | jelly: Ok, host is not in the same place as me right now. So when I get there, I should check if it's on dynamic disk? I should check for disk space and quota perhaps? |
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| 11:52.06 | joey[] | after that I should reboot guest? |
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| 11:53.47 | jelly | joey[]: yeah, you'll need to reboot the guest after you find out the cause of it not being able to write to the disk |
| 11:54.16 | robboplus | why is this happening? |
| 11:54.17 | robboplus | # ifconfig eth0:1 up |
| 11:54.17 | robboplus | SIOCSIFFLAGS: Cannot assign requested address |
| 11:54.23 | robboplus | i only took it down a sec ago |
| 11:54.30 | robboplus | and now i want the alias back up... |
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| 11:54.34 | jelly | joey[]: the cause could also be a fs/hw error on the host |
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| 11:55.07 | jelly | robboplus: you didn't tell it which address? |
| 11:55.13 | joey[] | jelly: thanks |
| 11:55.19 | robboplus | jelly hm.. |
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| 11:55.30 | Skinkie | hello, I have a security related question. Currently it is possible to corrupt a bridge under linux using a hwaddr of another member in the bridge. Is it possible to filter based on interface and macaddress? ARP seems to kick in too late. |
| 11:55.40 | jelly | robboplus: I mean, does eth0:1 still exist? |
| 11:55.50 | robboplus | jelly i had it in interfaces so i was sure i didn't have to give it an ip? |
| 11:56.21 | jelly | robboplus: then use ifup/ifdown to manage it, not ifconfig |
| 11:56.28 | robboplus | jelly oh hm.. |
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| 11:56.51 | robboplus | jelly so that's how i quickly "throttle" an ip, not with ifconfig.. making a note, thank you! |
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| 11:57.50 | Hoxzer | how can I find out the window name ? |
| 11:57.53 | jelly | robboplus: if you have /etc/network/interfaces, use the tools that actually read that configuration. |
| 11:57.58 | Hoxzer | using fluxbox |
| 11:58.08 | jelly | robboplus: ifconfig is lower level |
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| 11:58.36 | jelly | Hoxzer: xprop? |
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| 12:00.08 | myst | so, noone can help me with different Priority of package? |
| 12:00.59 | myst | or there are any Debian devs? |
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| 12:07.15 | Hoxzer | jelly: thx |
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| 12:07.52 | Jemt | Greetz. What file contains the proxy settings for APT-GET ? |
| 12:08.00 | yannick^ | how can i check if sshd starts after reboot? |
| 12:08.05 | petemc | ps |
| 12:08.10 | petemc | netstat |
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| 12:09.33 | robboplus | jelly thank you once again.. i just wasn't aware of that difference between ifup and ifconfig up |
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| 12:13.52 | wsxws | hi there |
| 12:14.34 | guhhh | please i lost my system. is there anyway i can reinstall the system without losing my data? |
| 12:14.56 | hathe | guhhh: start a livecd |
| 12:15.16 | guhhh | hathe: and? |
| 12:15.28 | guhhh | od copy the /etc /var/ usr /home |
| 12:15.30 | petemc | guhhh: define lost |
| 12:15.31 | hathe | guhhh: boot it, make a backup, reinstall |
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| 12:15.49 | guhhh | but i really would preffer to reinstall the system without lose the data |
| 12:16.14 | olspookishmagus | Q: what's the command line equivalent of selecting System -> Preferences -> Keyboard? |
| 12:16.28 | hathe | guhhh: get yourself a magic wand ;) |
| 12:16.35 | guhhh | peteits all messed up.... it starts and automatically reboot |
| 12:16.38 | olspookishmagus | for some reason it refuses to start and I want to see why |
| 12:16.47 | wsxws | hi there |
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| 12:17.17 | guhhh | petemc: its all messed up.... it starts and automatically reboot |
| 12:17.17 | wsxws | is there a command to remount /tmp (so that changes in the mountiongoption is fstab can take effect) ? |
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| 12:17.28 | petemc | guhhh: so as you've been told, use a live cd to mount the partitions you want to get data off (if you can) and then reinstall, copy data back |
| 12:17.49 | hathe | wsxws: mount -a |
| 12:18.15 | macsim | anybody knows if it's possible to use pciback.hide with debian xen kernel image ? |
| 12:18.39 | wsxws | mount -a does not remount |
| 12:18.43 | petemc | macsim: if the version of xen supports it, sure |
| 12:19.07 | petemc | wsxws: umount, mount - it might break X tho, so stop that first |
| 12:19.08 | Jemt | I need to find out whether a proxy have been set up with APT-GET during the Debian Installation. Where can I see that ? |
| 12:19.13 | Jemt | has |
| 12:19.30 | wsxws | umount does not work, because device is busy |
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| 12:19.36 | macsim | petemc, I use debian stable base package of xen, did you use pciback.hide ? |
| 12:19.37 | petemc | Jemt: /etc/apt/ , or echo $http_proxy |
| 12:19.42 | petemc | macsim: i dont |
| 12:19.49 | Jemt | petemc: What file within /etc/apt ? |
| 12:19.58 | petemc | check all of the,m |
| 12:20.09 | Jemt | wsxws: Just kill all processes associated with the device first; lsof /media/device <enter> |
| 12:20.12 | macsim | petemc, :/ ok thanks anyway |
| 12:20.18 | Jemt | Now kill all processes with: killl <procid> |
| 12:20.40 | wsxws | jesus |
| 12:20.46 | Jemt | petemc: I only got /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 12:20.54 | Jemt | But thanks, petemc |
| 12:21.01 | petemc | Jemt: is that variable set? |
| 12:21.04 | Jemt | No |
| 12:21.10 | petemc | so theres no proxy |
| 12:21.14 | Jemt | Great, thanks :) |
| 12:21.51 | robboplus | is it possible to remove br0 and go back to eth0 without reboot? |
| 12:22.07 | petemc | yes |
| 12:22.26 | robboplus | petemc i'm just not sure how to do that as it will take place on a remote box |
| 12:22.38 | robboplus | and i can't loose connectivity |
| 12:22.41 | petemc | robboplus: remote makes it more difficult |
| 12:22.53 | robboplus | petemc that's how i built that bridge ;) |
| 12:22.56 | petemc | robboplus: how did you create the bridge? |
| 12:23.04 | robboplus | remotely |
| 12:23.20 | robboplus | it was all or nothing lol |
| 12:23.23 | tralala | robboplus, a chain of commands within a screen session should do |
| 12:23.52 | robboplus | tralala in fact i build the bridge with such chain but i'm not sure how to reverse that properly |
| 12:24.37 | petemc | the inverse, there or there abouts |
| 12:25.38 | robboplus | it involves several operations... promisc, route, etc. |
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| 12:26.03 | tralala | robboplus, I haven't done brigding so I don't know any details but I would expect something like <unbridge>; ifdown eth0; ifup eth0 to do the trick |
| 12:26.35 | robboplus | it's not this easy |
| 12:26.53 | robboplus | there is also a change in routing table required (for default gw) |
| 12:26.58 | tralala | you can flush the routing table before restarting the interface |
| 12:27.06 | robboplus | hm |
| 12:27.13 | liable | remove the brifge like you made it, with brctl |
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| 12:27.39 | robboplus | liable once i remove the br0 i will loose connectivity at once |
| 12:27.53 | robboplus | because default gw is set to br0 device |
| 12:28.10 | asg | robboplus: just reboot it |
| 12:28.26 | robboplus | asg it would be the easiest way.. true.. |
| 12:28.41 | asg | and probably the safest |
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| 12:28.57 | indraveni | can't i get any help from here for my touchstrip fingerprint sensor to work |
| 12:29.07 | robboplus | asg i still got a remote reboot if things go wrong.. |
| 12:29.44 | robboplus | i just thought that if i was able to build that bridge remotely i could also destroy it remotely :) |
| 12:29.45 | liable | indraveni: theres an open source app for the thinkpad ones, check thinkwiki and see if it supports yours |
| 12:30.27 | phogg | I've installed mysql but cannot remember the password for root to access it and have not configured any other accounts. How can I recover? |
| 12:30.38 | indraveni | liable, mine is not thinkpad laptop, its sony vaio laptop |
| 12:30.39 | robboplus | liable: delete bridge, then flush routing table, then "cycle" eth0, how does that sound? |
| 12:31.02 | indraveni | and its fingerprint sensor is entirely different from the one of thinkpad's |
| 12:31.12 | liable | robboplus: good, but asg's suggestion is probably the safest |
| 12:31.28 | liable | indraveni: you know that for fact? |
| 12:31.53 | indraveni | liable, yeah |
| 12:32.06 | indraveni | liable, but hoping for luck i tried that, but :( |
| 12:32.09 | robboplus | liable i just thought of an ultimate method.. i will setup a timer... which will reboot the box for me if i don't cancel it within 5 mins.. and i won't be able to if my remote job fails :) |
| 12:32.34 | liable | robboplus: good thinkin |
| 12:32.35 | robboplus | if my connectivity is back.. i will just cancel the timer |
| 12:32.53 | robboplus | sneaky but effective :) and i could learn something new |
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| 12:33.56 | robboplus | i'm so tired of bridging... destroys network performance and also insecure |
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| 12:35.43 | tralala | bridging is insecure? |
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| 12:36.26 | liable | in missisippi |
| 12:36.34 | tralala | hehe |
| 12:37.07 | enouf | phogg: /msg dpkg forgot mysql root password |
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| 12:37.38 | phogg | enouf: thanks |
| 12:37.43 | liable | damn, i was |---| this close to saying that, then got sidetracked |
| 12:37.49 | enouf | np ;-) |
| 12:38.22 | enouf | !comfort liable |
| 12:38.22 | dpkg | There, there, liable. It's OK. I'm here for you. |
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| 12:39.50 | liable | !aww |
| 12:39.51 | dpkg | *snuggles* |
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| 12:43.00 | phogg | that dpkg command is slightly non-working in that it will simply dumb you at the mysqld prompt and never execute mysql -u root |
| 12:43.05 | sam_ | some twat has sent me a .msg (outlook) file, any way that I can read it? |
| 12:43.12 | phogg | sam_: strings |
| 12:43.36 | sam_ | strings? |
| 12:43.47 | phogg | sam_: evolution and other fancy mailers may be able to open it natively, but you can always just extract the plain text with strings |
| 12:43.58 | phogg | sam_: like cat, but it skips binary junk and shows just plain text |
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| 12:53.01 | eth01 | how do i check which ram i have? :P |
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| 12:54.55 | SlayerXP | eth01: the two key species indicators are the colour and texture of the coat and the size and shape of the horns |
| 12:55.16 | Jocke | I want an OS like Debian but without the non-free and contrib repositories. Is it just to do a debian-40r1-1386-netinst.iso and remove contrib-directories in /dist? |
| 12:55.22 | eth01 | lspi? |
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| 12:55.35 | enouf | eth01: dmidecode, lshw |
| 12:55.55 | sep | Jocke, just dont specify non-free and contrib in the sources list and your done |
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| 12:56.24 | RickyLin | hi |
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| 12:57.32 | Noboru | has anyone ever heard of a patch for php named suhosin ? |
| 13:01.08 | sam_ | Strings just outputs a load of junk text. Does anyone know of any other tools i could try please? |
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| 13:03.50 | Jocke | sep, I want that to be standard in the beginning. Like creating a distribution based on Debian which doesn't include those. |
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| 13:06.43 | asami | hi,just installed Etch on an old Toshiba laptop, it didnt detect the network card (an old "buffalo" :http://page16.auctions.yahoo.co.jp/jp/auction/u19210098) but did offer to load drivers. however it didnt and now i am wondering how to add the drivers manually |
| 13:06.59 | asami | and from where... |
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| 13:07.52 | asami | knoppix has detected my hardware and claims it is an "NE2000 compatible" |
| 13:07.55 | Jocke | the non-free kernel drivers, are those included in debian-40r1-i386-netinst.iso? |
| 13:08.26 | liable | non-free ethernet driver? |
| 13:10.40 | Jocke | liable, not really. I read at http://www.gnewsense.org/FAQ/FAQ#toc3 |
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| 13:12.53 | tralala | asami, modprobe ne2k-pci? |
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| 13:13.50 | asami | tralala, i get nothing... |
| 13:13.51 | sep | Jocke, just becouse there is non-free hosted on the same server as main does not mean you have to use them. besides i imagined that without non-free was the default allready. |
| 13:15.09 | tralala | asami, does "ip l" show an interface? |
| 13:15.26 | tralala | (aside from lo) |
| 13:15.37 | asami | tralala, "ip l"? |
| 13:15.55 | tralala | the command "ip l" |
| 13:15.57 | liable | ifconfig -a |
| 13:16.10 | asami | "command not found" |
| 13:16.25 | tralala | meh, it should be in the default install |
| 13:16.33 | liable | nope |
| 13:16.45 | liable | asami: iproute iirc |
| 13:16.46 | tralala | I know it's not, I'm saying it should be |
| 13:16.48 | liable | package |
| 13:17.33 | asami | for ifconfig -a i get "lo" and "sit0" |
| 13:17.57 | liable | no good |
| 13:18.06 | tralala | asami, paste the output of lcpci -v to http://rafb.net/paste |
| 13:18.11 | tralala | lspci |
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| 13:19.23 | Jocke | sep, the non-free kernel drivers, are they in main or contrib? |
| 13:19.42 | asami | tralala, it would it a while...(move it with a usb to another pc) |
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| 13:21.06 | tralala | asami, maybe it's easier to boot knoppix, and post the module list |
| 13:21.58 | mike1o | ive been having a lot of trouble installing the package vlc... it says it's been replaced by libvlc0 |
| 13:22.09 | enouf | asami: lspci -nn | grep Ether says? |
| 13:22.55 | asami | enouf, sais nothing... |
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| 13:24.20 | enouf | asami: then you have no ethernet card ;-P |
| 13:24.30 | enouf | atleast not a pci one |
| 13:25.05 | asami | enouf, http://page16.auctions.yahoo.co.jp/jp/auction/u19210098 |
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| 13:26.01 | enouf | if it's ISA maybe try pnputils maybe |
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| 13:26.36 | enouf | omg, it's pcmcia or some crap |
| 13:26.50 | asami | enouf, its very old |
| 13:27.00 | asami | but knoppix has no problems with it |
| 13:28.00 | RichiH | asg: you should not talk to dave2 |
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| 13:30.39 | tralala | asami, you need to install pcmciautils |
| 13:30.50 | asg | RichiH: hard not to at times |
| 13:31.13 | RichiH | asg: i find a rolled up paper and some tazers work nicely |
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| 13:31.25 | asami | tralala, how do i do that? |
| 13:31.27 | sobersabre | hello. |
| 13:31.31 | asg | RichiH: well, there's always lubricated goates |
| 13:31.36 | asg | *goats |
| 13:31.41 | asami | is that a package? |
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| 13:31.54 | tralala | asami, aptitude install pcmciautils |
| 13:31.55 | sobersabre | I am failing to forbid loading of 4 modules: ipv6, and 3 ib_* modules of infiniband. |
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| 13:32.01 | sobersabre | about ipv6: |
| 13:32.24 | sobersabre | I addede blacklist ipv6 line to /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist |
| 13:32.31 | asami | tralala, i dont have internet access.... |
| 13:32.43 | tralala | asami, how did you install? |
| 13:32.46 | sobersabre | I replaced net-pf-10 with "off" instead of "ipv6" |
| 13:33.01 | sobersabre | and put alias ipv6 off to /etc/modprobe.d/aliases |
| 13:33.09 | sobersabre | man, it STILL LOADS!!!! |
| 13:33.15 | sobersabre | how do I forbid it ? |
| 13:33.15 | tralala | sobersabre, I don't think you can disable ipv6 in debian |
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| 13:33.54 | sobersabre | tralala: it writes: "IPv4 over IPv6 tunneling driver loaded" |
| 13:34.08 | sobersabre | how come it loads and I cannot disable it ?! |
| 13:34.11 | ppk|laptop | if I have a home partition with an encrypted LVM, can I install another Linux distro and tell it to use that? |
| 13:34.15 | asami | tralala, sorry ,will be with in in a minute |
| 13:34.37 | sobersabre | tralala: why do you say you can't disable ipv6 ? |
| 13:34.49 | sobersabre | or.. I cannot. |
| 13:34.50 | sobersabre | :) |
| 13:35.11 | sobersabre | anyway, how do I disable the driver ? except renaming its file ? :) |
| 13:35.29 | asami | tralala, i used a debian Cd with an XFCE environment |
| 13:35.34 | sobersabre | and why does it load in spite my instructions!!!!! |
| 13:35.39 | tralala | ppk|laptop, it depends on the linux distro. Fedora 7 failed to install on my _unencrypted_ lvm disk |
| 13:35.51 | sobersabre | as if gremlins command it... and I hate gremlins. |
| 13:36.10 | tralala | asami, use it again - it must contain pcmciautils |
| 13:36.19 | ppk|laptop | tralala, say I have Debian and I want to install Ubuntu |
| 13:36.39 | asami | tralala, ok - i will |
| 13:36.46 | enouf | asami: as root , modprobe axnet_cs |
| 13:37.15 | enouf | http://dunedin.lug.net.nz/forums/showthread.php?s=01806581991c503e4abeec0aa80fa948&t=11379 |
| 13:37.26 | asg | RichiH: isn't dave2 on staff at FN now? |
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| 13:37.39 | wols_ | sobersabre: you didn't blacklist it in your initrd |
| 13:37.43 | seba_soy | HI DEBIAN GURUES! |
| 13:37.44 | tralala | sobersabre, because I think it can't be disabled. I might be wrong. |
| 13:38.17 | seba_soy | I have a simple question and I want to know if somebody can point me on how to do this.... |
| 13:38.19 | sobersabre | tralala: I think you have green ears. I might be wrong. |
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| 13:38.28 | dimir | !ask |
| 13:38.28 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org |
| 13:38.38 | seba_soy | I want to do a PROXY ARP with firewalling and bandwidth limit, it is posible? |
| 13:38.48 | RichiH | asg: indeed, it is |
| 13:38.55 | anomaly | hrm..first page of google. imagine that. http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/409 |
| 13:39.00 | anomaly | for disabling ipv6 |
| 13:39.02 | asg | RichiH: who made that decision? :) |
| 13:39.03 | asami | tralala, it appears pcmciautils is laready the latest version |
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| 13:39.11 | sobersabre | anomaly: I have done what it says. |
| 13:39.13 | asg | seba_soy: I'd start with lartc.org |
| 13:39.14 | wols_ | asg: we expect an increase in goats related incidents on FN any day now |
| 13:39.26 | asami | enouf, i get no output for that |
| 13:39.33 | sobersabre | I mean, I'm here because _suddenly_ my systems started loading ipv6 AGAIN |
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| 13:39.40 | enouf | asami: that means == good |
| 13:39.41 | asg | wols_: there's been several in -ot already today |
| 13:39.41 | sobersabre | After I've disabled them. |
| 13:39.53 | tralala | ppk|laptop, if ubuntu's installer supports it it will work. |
| 13:39.54 | sobersabre | anomaly: do you hear me ? |
| 13:39.57 | enouf | asami: lsmod | grep axnet |
| 13:40.09 | anomaly | sobersabre as well as the comments at the bottom of the page? |
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| 13:40.27 | sobersabre | anomaly: it depends on their dates.... |
| 13:40.38 | sobersabre | moment, lemme see once again. |
| 13:41.03 | sobersabre | I am considering to simply rename the module... just in case somebody decides to load it... |
| 13:41.06 | asami | enouf, i get an output |
| 13:41.07 | seba_soy | asg: thanks I will take a look on that page |
| 13:41.19 | RichiH | asg: i think it was a goat |
| 13:41.27 | enouf | asami: it says? axnet_cs ? |
| 13:41.35 | sobersabre | hate ipv6!!!! |
| 13:41.36 | asami | yes |
| 13:41.41 | anomaly | sobersabre and this? alias net-pf-10 off |
| 13:41.42 | anomaly | alias ipv6 off in modprobe.conf ? |
| 13:41.42 | enouf | asami: as root, /etc/init.d/networking restart ; ifconfig eth0 up |
| 13:41.45 | asg | RichiH: hah |
| 13:41.48 | Dave2 | :o |
| 13:41.54 | sobersabre | anomaly: yes. |
| 13:42.01 | sobersabre | 2 times... just in case :) |
| 13:42.45 | sobersabre | anomaly: not in modprobe.conf. |
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| 13:42.52 | sobersabre | in modprobe.d/aliases |
| 13:43.00 | sobersabre | but yes. |
| 13:43.03 | asami | enouf, eth0:ERROR while getting interface flags:no such device |
| 13:43.15 | sobersabre | now I think I should add this line to /etc/passwd. |
| 13:43.18 | sobersabre | just in case. |
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| 13:43.58 | enouf | asami: ok .. well, hrm .. put output of dmesg | tail into pastebin.ca |
| 13:44.22 | sobersabre | ok, I am rebooting. |
| 13:44.25 | sobersabre | bye alle. |
| 13:44.27 | sobersabre | exit |
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| 13:44.53 | tralala | asami, actually remove the card and insert it again. Then paste the whole output of dpkg |
| 13:45.06 | enouf | !info pcmciautils etch |
| 13:45.11 | asami | enouf, ok - i'm working on finding a USB stick , mine just died.. |
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| 13:45.44 | enouf | asami: not sure i can help much more, but i think we have the correct module |
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| 13:46.03 | asami | tralala, "dpkg"? |
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| 13:46.11 | tralala | eh, dmsg |
| 13:46.12 | enouf | (and dpkg is taking her sweet time ;-)) |
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| 13:46.59 | dpkg | pcmciautils: (PCMCIA utilities for Linux 2.6), section admin, is extra. Version: 014-3 (etch), Packaged size: 27 kB, Installed size: 156 kB |
| 13:47.26 | enouf | ahh wb dpkg |
| 13:47.40 | enouf | dpkg where were you? |
| 13:47.40 | dpkg | I was getting some action with the botchicks! WooYEAH! I got me some NOOKIE! |
| 13:48.06 | cusco | any bash guru arround? I would like a script that could read auth.log and parse all the lines for all ip's to each onw ip.number.log |
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| 13:48.20 | tralala | cusco, plenty - in #bash |
| 13:48.25 | cusco | oh yes |
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| 13:48.26 | cusco | thanks :p |
| 13:50.13 | asami | enouf, tralala , this laptop doesnt have a functioning USB exit, I will need to save a file and then mount it with knoppix. would it be helpful if it try to copy what i think is relevant from dmesg or do you need the exact version? |
| 13:50.51 | tralala | asami, boot knoppix and you'll paste from there |
| 13:51.27 | asami | ok - please wait for me |
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| 13:55.09 | tralala | there was some talk about a kernel upgrade for etch at some point. Is this option still on the table? |
| 13:55.30 | liable | i recall that too |
| 13:55.40 | wols_ | tralala: there is supposedt to be a etch 1 1/2 or such apparently |
| 13:55.58 | liable | doesnt look like it was too popular |
| 13:56.02 | wols_ | sorta mid release update |
| 13:56.41 | liable | so, if we arent mid release, lenny will be released in q3 2009 i guess ;) |
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| 13:56.59 | liable | or later |
| 13:57.20 | liable | which is really not funny or surprising |
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| 13:57.39 | enouf | welp, it's either axnet_cs or pcnet_cs http://www.linux.com/base/ldp/howto/Hardware-HOWTO/pcmcia.html |
| 13:58.17 | liable | enouf: furry? |
| 13:58.44 | tralala | I haven't heard anything since the initial plans and I was wondering if there's something I missed. |
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| 13:59.23 | wols_ | liable: my guess is 2 years for etch. so not q3 but q1-2. 18months between relreases will be the target which will be missed, as usual |
| 13:59.25 | asami_on_knoppix | tralala, enouf whats the address of the pastebin?> |
| 13:59.28 | tralala | asami_on_knoppix, now I want to see lsmod and dmesg |
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| 13:59.35 | tralala | rafb.net/paste |
| 13:59.48 | enouf | or pastebin.ca or whatever |
| 14:00.08 | ronr | anyone sees what's wrong with this: while inotifywait -m -q -e modify /var/lib/dhcp/dhcpd.leases; do /usr/local/bin/updateDNS.php; done (I would expect it to execute updateDNS.php if the file is modified, instead, it it's modified I see /var/lib/dhcp/dhcpd.leases IGNORED and I don't see the output ot the updateDNS.php script) |
| 14:00.20 | enouf | liable: ? |
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| 14:00.56 | liable | enouf: your 'welp' comment reminded me of a furry that used to frequent #debian :) |
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| 14:01.12 | enouf | ahh |
| 14:01.51 | enouf | as long as furry was all warm and fuzzy .. ;-) |
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| 14:03.18 | asami_on_knoppix | http://www.pastebin.ca/794864 |
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| 14:04.52 | liable | enouf: http://img402.imageshack.us/img402/7686/patheticvg9.jpg |
| 14:04.55 | enouf | ne2k-pci.c:v1.03 9/22/2003 D. Becker/P. Gortmaker 257. http://www.scyld.com/network/ne2k-pci.html |
| 14:05.05 | enouf | whoops ;-) |
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| 14:05.25 | asami_on_knoppix | and http://www.pastebin.ca/794865 lspci |
| 14:05.46 | enouf | liable: omg .. rofl |
| 14:06.19 | liable | the mind boggles ;) |
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| 14:06.38 | asg | liable: was that your Halloween party? |
| 14:07.01 | liable | asg: moms 60th |
| 14:07.04 | tralala | liable, goat! |
| 14:07.41 | asg | liable: <dave2>hawt</dave2> |
| 14:08.18 | liable | asg: unfortunately (or maybe fortunately) i don't know dave2 |
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| 14:08.44 | asami | tralala, can i logoff knoppix? is there anything else i can use from there? |
| 14:08.55 | liable | the g'er really twists my mind in that shot |
| 14:09.28 | tralala | asami, lsmod |
| 14:10.12 | asami | tralala, ok ..working on it....very old computer... |
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| 14:13.13 | Dantix | hi all, if I do cat /proc/cpuinfo on a P4 3G dual core system, the summary of interrupts shows that just the processor 0 (core 0) is taking all of them, why? how can I do the work be shared among 2 cores? |
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| 14:14.30 | tralala | Dantix, linux (the kernel) runs on only 1 cpu. The other runs userspace |
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| 14:14.48 | biz | I got a huge directory with lots of binary files and one binary file which is a copy of one of these lots of files but I don't know of which? whats the best way to find the 1:1 copy out of all these files? (filenames are others) currently I try it using md5sum on all files but this is slow like hell.. any ideas? |
| 14:14.56 | solars | hey, can anyone tell me what SendCoreDevice in xorg.conf is for ? |
| 14:15.07 | Dantix | tralala: thx |
| 14:15.09 | solars | sorry, SendCoreEvents |
| 14:15.30 | tralala | biz, cmp |
| 14:15.35 | Tom-Tom | biz : diff mycopy dir/* |
| 14:15.37 | asg | biz: the fdupes package |
| 14:15.45 | hardcampa | or just compare the filesize? |
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| 14:16.50 | Dantix | tralala: should that show the kernel is not doing SMP? |
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| 14:18.17 | blackest | i am playing around with uuencode and not getting an encoded file eg uuencode file1 > file2 doesnt return so i have to ctrl c without > it just outputs to bash I guess I am getting something simple wrong |
| 14:18.23 | Strogg | Oh Tom-Tom.. can you fix my apt error? |
| 14:18.28 | Strogg | heheh |
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| 14:19.01 | tralala | Dantix, the kernel itself runs on only 1 cpu. It does support SMP but only the userspace benefits from it. |
| 14:19.22 | Dantix | tralala: thanks a lot |
| 14:20.06 | tralala | Dantix, you're welcome |
| 14:20.37 | asami_on_knoppix | tralala, enouf http://www.pastebin.ca/794878 lsmod |
| 14:20.40 | Tom-Tom | strogg : Don't know... whiche error ? |
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| 14:21.16 | mbroeker | #java |
| 14:21.25 | Strogg | Tom-Tom: I was actually making a joke, but what the heck.. lemme paste it. hehe |
| 14:21.40 | LinuxHelp | Were would I find a log of fsck's that have occurred since system startup? dmesg? |
| 14:23.05 | Strogg | Tom-Tom: (and anyone else that wants to help) I got this error after uninstalling openoffice. Any idea how I can fix it? http://pastey.net/77865 |
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| 14:24.21 | tralala | asami_on_knoppix, is that the lsmod from knoppix? |
| 14:24.39 | asami | no debian |
| 14:24.46 | asami | do you need knoppix? |
| 14:24.54 | tralala | I want dmesg and lsmod from knoppix |
| 14:25.00 | asami | ok |
| 14:25.13 | tralala | put the in one post |
| 14:25.16 | tralala | them |
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| 14:27.14 | asami_on_knoppix | http://www.pastebin.ca/794882 |
| 14:27.14 | XoX | what's /etc/debian_chroot and how do i use it to mark chroots |
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| 14:28.49 | KI4IKL | Good morning |
| 14:29.33 | Tom-Tom | Strogg : I've readin sthing about thae and a date problem |
| 14:29.46 | Tom-Tom | try tou pout the system date to tomorrow and try agin ;) |
| 14:30.01 | enouf | hrm pcnet_cs .. weird |
| 14:30.06 | Strogg | gahh.. |
| 14:30.21 | Strogg | Tom-Tom: ok.. that's likely it. my date is messed up for stupid reasons on that box. |
| 14:30.37 | tralala | asami_on_knoppix, remove the card and insert it again, then paste dmesg | tail |
| 14:30.47 | asami | ok |
| 14:31.38 | Strogg | Tom-Tom: Thanks. I appreciate it |
| 14:31.57 | Tom-Tom | you're welcome ^^ |
| 14:34.00 | asami_on_knoppix | http://www.pastebin.ca/794887 |
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| 14:34.21 | Agiofws | hello |
| 14:34.23 | Agiofws | people |
| 14:34.39 | Agiofws | can some one help me with etch its driving me crazy |
| 14:34.49 | tralala | asami_on_knoppix, what's the kernel version of knoppix? |
| 14:34.50 | Agiofws | http://rafb.net/p/W1mz7Y81.html <--- can someone take a look at that ? |
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| 14:35.31 | asami_on_knoppix | 2.6.12 |
| 14:36.07 | cusco | Agiofws: /j ubuntu |
| 14:36.25 | Agiofws | cusco, i use ETCH 4.0 |
| 14:36.25 | asami_on_knoppix | its knoppix 4.0. a newer Knoppix 5.0 detected the network card as well but failed to run X for some reason |
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| 14:36.30 | Agiofws | :| |
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| 14:37.19 | tralala | asami_on_knoppix, well your driver is pcnet_cs but it's strange that debian isn't loading it automatically |
| 14:37.28 | cusco | Agiofws: I don't understand, the first 3 lines is debian's output? |
| 14:37.39 | Agiofws | yes |
| 14:37.39 | enouf | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:37.46 | cusco | dunno... |
| 14:37.48 | Agiofws | its not finding the event device |
| 14:37.55 | Agiofws | cusco, |
| 14:37.56 | tralala | asami_on_knoppix, mount /dev/yourdebianpartition /mnt; chroot /mnt |
| 14:38.06 | asg | Agiofws: modprobe evdev |
| 14:38.07 | asami | tralala, i tried the latest sidux and even xubuntu feisty but they all didnt detect it |
| 14:38.43 | Agiofws | evdev is * |
| 14:38.48 | Agiofws | lapi:/home/agiofws# modprobe evdev |
| 14:38.48 | Agiofws | FATAL: Module evdev not found. |
| 14:39.12 | asg | Agiofws: why are you using a compiled kernel instead of the provided debian one? |
| 14:39.16 | stew | Agiofws: are you still using a custom kernel? |
| 14:39.50 | tralala | asami, try to boot in debian and load pcnet_cs manually |
| 14:39.50 | Agiofws | yes hey i lik eto compile my own kernels |
| 14:39.56 | Agiofws | whats the difference ? |
| 14:40.08 | Agiofws | its a vanilla kernel |
| 14:40.10 | tralala | Agiofws, you're living the difference right now |
| 14:40.18 | asami | tralala, should i mount debian on knoppix? |
| 14:40.25 | tralala | no, don't |
| 14:40.28 | stew | Agiofws: have you tried a debian kernel to see if it fixes this problem? |
| 14:40.29 | asami | k |
| 14:40.31 | asg | Agiofws: you probably do not have all the required support and we can't possibly help you with all the permutations. Try the debian kernel. |
| 14:41.08 | Agiofws | whats a debian kernel ? does it come with ? its own config ? |
| 14:41.22 | Agiofws | it will break many thins up again right ? |
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| 14:41.42 | Agiofws | man its driving me crazy |
| 14:42.03 | Agiofws | hey do you think i should make evdev and psmouse as M not * ? |
| 14:42.09 | Agiofws | will it change someothing ? |
| 14:42.10 | stew | Agiofws: it would be precompiled (and therefore pre-configured). it would come in a package named linux-image-$version (apt-cache search -n linux-image) |
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| 14:42.24 | stew | Agiofws: i would not expect it to break anything, i'd expect it to fix things |
| 14:42.46 | Agiofws | stew, and how do they know what hardware i have so they can make a compatible kernel |
| 14:42.55 | Agiofws | you fix yoyur kernel for your hardware |
| 14:42.58 | Agiofws | right ? |
| 14:43.06 | asami | tralala, now in debian , how do i load pcnet_cs manually? |
| 14:43.18 | stew | Agiofws: they just compiled everything as a loadable module |
| 14:43.20 | tralala | modprobe pcnet_cs |
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| 14:43.58 | stew | Agiofws: a debian kernel should work on nearly any machine. you don't have to fix it for your hardware. the initrd creator should do anything that is needed to make it bootable |
| 14:44.31 | asami | tralala, i didnt get any output |
| 14:44.34 | Tom-Tom | tr |
| 14:44.34 | olspookishmagus | Agiofws: are you Spanish? |
| 14:44.38 | tralala | Agiofws, fixing a kernel for your hardware is inflexible, inconvinient and unneeded |
| 14:44.40 | asg | olspookishmagus: greek |
| 14:44.50 | tralala | asami, ifup eth0 |
| 14:44.53 | olspookishmagus | asg: is that country below Macedonia? |
| 14:45.22 | tralala | olspookishmagus, check it up on wikipedia |
| 14:45.33 | asami | tralala, ignoring unknown interface eth0=eth0 |
| 14:45.57 | olspookishmagus | Macedonia is not a country, it's a region of Greece the country above Greece it's FYROM - damn it |
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| 14:46.28 | olspookishmagus | </propaganda> |
| 14:46.54 | tralala | it's called FYROM only in Greece. In other places they call it Macedonia. And Macedonia as a region goes well outside current Greece as well. |
| 14:48.05 | Agiofws | fixxing a kernel for my hardware makes my s/w faster and booting time faster |
| 14:48.14 | asami | tralala, now when i do lsmod i get pcnet_cs in the output |
| 14:48.43 | Tom-Tom | asami : just try : #ifconfig eth0 up |
| 14:48.45 | Agiofws | Depends on: !S390 && INPUT && INPUT_MOUSE && MOUSE_PS2 && EMBEDDED |
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| 14:49.03 | Agiofws | can someone tell me what !S390 is ? |
| 14:49.15 | tralala | asami, apparently knoppix is patching the kernel to make it work. You could try a newer kernel from backports. If it doesn't work you could try using a kernel from knoppix. |
| 14:49.15 | asg | Agiofws: not ibm s390 mainframe |
| 14:49.27 | Agiofws | what does it do ? |
| 14:49.38 | asg | Agiofws: what does what do? |
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| 14:49.51 | Agiofws | whats i got to do with touchpad and mice ? |
| 14:49.53 | tralala | asami, oh, wait - do what Tom-Tom says |
| 14:50.01 | fengor | Agiofws: your questions show that you should better not do this ;p |
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| 14:50.11 | asg | Agiofws: s390s don't have mice and therefore support for them should not be compiled. |
| 14:50.14 | asami | Tom-Tom, i get error no such device |
| 14:50.24 | Tom-Tom | oups |
| 14:50.37 | Agiofws | so why does that module depend on |
| 14:50.41 | Agiofws | toucpad drivers ?/ |
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| 14:50.57 | asg | Agiofws: ask ##linux. We only support debian provided kernels here. |
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| 14:51.06 | Agiofws | Symbol: MOUSE_PS2_SYNAPTICS [=y] │ |
| 14:51.06 | Agiofws | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:51.06 | Agiofws | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:51.06 | Agiofws | <PROTECTED> |
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| 14:51.18 | tralala | asami, well, back to my suggestion then |
| 14:51.20 | asg | Agiofws: stop it. |
| 14:51.41 | Tom-Tom | what does dmesg say when you load the driver ? |
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| 14:51.52 | asami | tralala, so you think i should install a knoppix kernel? i tried sidux and it didnt work |
| 14:51.53 | Agiofws | oh that mean !S390s so i dont have to have that module in |
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| 14:51.57 | tralala | Agiofws, we won't help you with kernel compiling here. Don't ask such questions and don't paste in the channel. |
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| 14:52.13 | Agiofws | i know how to do that tralala |
| 14:52.17 | Agiofws | not asking for that |
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| 14:52.19 | tralala | it shows |
| 14:52.40 | Agiofws | i just don't know wht its not recognizing my touch pad |
| 14:52.46 | Agiofws | i know it does tralala |
| 14:52.54 | asg | Agiofws: ask #kernelnewbies |
| 14:53.01 | tralala | asami, I think you should first try to install 2.6.22 from backports |
| 14:53.07 | tralala | asami, /msg dpkg bpo |
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| 14:53.10 | Agiofws | ask what ? |
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| 14:53.37 | Agiofws | i just did not know that the exclamation mark ment does not depend |
| 14:54.00 | asami | tralala, is it possible to do that without internet connection? |
| 14:54.05 | darkstego | anyone have any luck with KDE4 rc1 in debian experimental? |
| 14:54.27 | tralala | asami, it's possible with knoppix and chroot |
| 14:54.44 | Agiofws | Depends on: !S390 && INPUT <-- this means does not depend on s390 and depends on INPUT module right ? |
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| 14:55.00 | tralala | !ignore Agiofws |
| 14:55.07 | asg | Agiofws: no it means it depends on INPUT but only if you aren't running on an s390 mainframe. |
| 14:55.45 | asami | tralala, i see, thank you very much for your help, i will post this on the forums with the hope of an easier solution and if not go for the knoppix chroot option. thanks again |
| 14:56.01 | tralala | asami, you're welcome |
| 14:56.39 | Agiofws | asg, ok thanks |
| 14:57.04 | Agiofws | asg, are i386 s390 mainframes ? |
| 14:57.22 | asg | Agiofws: no, don't be silly |
| 14:57.24 | Agiofws | i don't think so ...? |
| 14:57.39 | Agiofws | i'm not just don;t know for sure |
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| 14:58.45 | enouf | asami: here's some info http://www.kernel.org/pub/linux/utils/kernel/pcmcia/cardmgr-to-pcmciautils.html |
| 14:59.12 | asami | enouf, thanks |
| 15:00.37 | enouf | asami: though note, some seems a tad dated .. also this google cache (is atrocious, prompts for user@pass) http://72.14.205.104/search?q=cache:-jFwv8uKNTQJ:www.linux.com/base/ldp/howto/Hardware-HOWTO/pcmcia.html+Linux+LPC+PCM+CLX&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=8&gl=us&lr=lang_en&ie=UTF-8 but note the module and config file info |
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| 15:01.11 | Agiofws | i changed psmouse and evdev to M ; and then did make modules_install ; but modprobe does not find them ; should i do make before make modules_install ? ; i just want itto compile the kernel again just changing the 2 modules from * to M will it compile the whole thing again ? |
| 15:01.50 | Tom-Tom | you have to make modules |
| 15:01.54 | asami | enouf, thanks but the last link doesnt open for me |
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| 15:02.20 | Agiofws | aha |
| 15:02.22 | Agiofws | right |
| 15:02.39 | enouf | asami: so you read japanese? |
| 15:02.48 | asami | yes |
| 15:02.52 | asami | a little |
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| 15:03.18 | asami | (i read chinese, but can deal with japanese if i have to) |
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| 15:04.42 | enouf | asami: http://tinyurl.com/yvgs2n .. just keep clicking cancel ...(last link was wrong) |
| 15:05.45 | asami | enouf, sorry but tinyurl is blocked in china (where im from) |
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| 15:06.34 | Hoxzer | Has somebody here used evrouter ? My config file isn't really doing what its suppose to |
| 15:07.28 | enouf | asami: one moment please |
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| 15:08.55 | Agiofws | Tom-Tom, if i type make will it do the whole kernel from scratch ? |
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| 15:09.24 | enouf | asami: i cut out the relevant info and pasted it http://pastebin.ca/794917 |
| 15:09.32 | Tom-Tom | rho, just try to search in google how to comile a kernel ! |
| 15:09.49 | Decepticon | i was in the middle of a large folder being copied (lots of subfoldres and files inside it) and my power went out.... how do i continue the copying? in the sense that dont overwrite anything that has the same filename and file size, but overwrite everything else that doesnt have the same file size and doesnt exist in the destination folders? |
| 15:09.51 | Tom-Tom | If you don't know how to do this, you should just use a pre-compiled debian one ! |
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| 15:10.22 | Agiofws | i ahve 1000 times compiled kernel in slack ... in slack it dod not compile the whole thing from scratch in debian yesterday it did so whats it going to do ? |
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| 15:10.50 | Agiofws | sometimes i ask cause i need to know its that i dont know |
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| 15:11.18 | S3v3N | Hello. I have never got this problems before when compiling before, what could the problem be? Errors: http://pastebin.ca/794921 ! |
| 15:11.34 | |bb7| | hi, i I replace a users /bin/bash in etc/passwd, he has no shell access, but why he also has no ftp access? |
| 15:12.05 | enouf | asami: some fonts, i obviously have no support for, which is why it seems messy ... i think you should explore your card also with the tools in "pcmciautils" pkg, and i'd say one of these 3 modules should work (pcnet_cs , ne2k-pci, or axnet_cs) |
| 15:13.13 | enouf | asami: as root, for example, "modinfo pcnet_cs" will show you some info about the module |
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| 15:13.22 | Agiofws | enouf, if i type make after altering the config will it compile the whole kernel from scratch ? |
| 15:13.41 | enouf | make oldconfig, iinm |
| 15:14.12 | enouf | Agiofws: http://lxr.linux.no/source/README#L156 |
| 15:14.34 | Tom-Tom | |bb7|: vsftpd and proftpd require a vaild shell |
| 15:14.39 | Tom-Tom | valid |
| 15:14.57 | |bb7| | thank you |
| 15:15.00 | Agiofws | ahh i'm just gping to type make |
| 15:15.04 | S3v3N | Hello. I have never got this problems before when compiling before, what could the problem be? Errors: http://pastebin.ca/794921 ! |
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| 15:15.20 | S3v3N | sry |
| 15:15.20 | Tom-Tom | you can use the file /etc/shells to add valid shells |
| 15:15.35 | S3v3N | Hello. I have never got this problems before when compiling psybnc2.3.2-7 from psybnc.at, what could the problem be? Errors: http://pastebin.ca/794921 ! |
| 15:16.55 | olspookishmagus | is anyone having issues with gnome-keyboard-properties in Debian Etch and Gnome 2.20.1? |
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| 15:18.03 | wols_ | S3v3N: newer gcc vrsion than usual perhaps |
| 15:18.12 | asami | enouf, i get tons of info from modinfo pcnet_cs "ne2000 compatiable ethernet driver" the same as what knoppix said |
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| 15:20.18 | |bb7| | Tom-Tom: how can give proftp login rights but not ssh? |
| 15:20.40 | cuco | hi, i am restoring a machine from a "dd" backup into another box, and in the new machine the network device is called "eth1" instead of "eth1". I remember it's something to do with udev/hal. can anyone give me a hand? |
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| 15:20.58 | yup | hello |
| 15:21.02 | Tom-Tom | |bb7|: a way is to put /bin/false as shell for the user, and to add /bin/alse to the file /etc/shell |
| 15:21.10 | Tom-Tom | but it's not truly secure. |
| 15:21.44 | Tom-Tom | another way is to use a ftp server that can use virtual users, such as vsftpd ;) |
| 15:21.58 | |bb7| | ok thank you |
| 15:22.03 | |bb7| | i need simple solution;) |
| 15:22.25 | Tom-Tom | the file is /etc/shells sorry |
| 15:22.31 | asami | enouf, i will post it on the forums and see what happens - thanks again...gotta go |
| 15:22.37 | |bb7| | yes I found it |
| 15:22.48 | Azar | cuco: the network device is called "eth1" instead of "eth1" ???? |
| 15:23.00 | |bb7| | but it should be secure against ssh brute-force robots i think |
| 15:23.20 | cuco | Azar: its called eth1 instead of eth0. oops, sorry, thanks :) |
| 15:23.23 | Tom-Tom | |bb7|: yes |
| 15:23.31 | Azar | |bb7|: did you read "preventing dictionary attacks with DenyHosts ? |
| 15:23.47 | |bb7| | Azar: no |
| 15:24.53 | yup | i want that kernel boots with root=UUID=.... and not with root=/real_device |
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| 15:25.08 | Azar | |bb7|: http://www.howtoforge.com/blockhosts_debian_etch |
| 15:25.46 | yup | but when i generate new initramfs image, but while booting it says - can not find filesystem /dev/root |
| 15:26.17 | Tom-Tom | cuco : have a look at /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules |
| 15:26.39 | yup | i made changes to /etc/fstab, so that rootfs is - UUID=... / ext3 defaults |
| 15:26.42 | |bb7| | Azar: thank you |
| 15:26.48 | cuco | Tom-Tom: sweet, thanks |
| 15:27.41 | anomaly | I edited out the /dev/sda1 / ext2 and used server:/path / nfs but it still loads from the thumb drive.. anything else I need to edit? |
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| 15:30.22 | enouf | asami: ok .. yes, that's just generic module info and possible parameters and version info |
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| 15:30.38 | puchu | hi |
| 15:30.57 | puchu | why do i get the login message from ssh two times? http://rafb.net/p/EoVX9o47.html .... its a fresh etch install |
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| 15:31.30 | puchu | where is the output of this messages located |
| 15:31.30 | puchu | ? |
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| 15:31.54 | petemc | puchu: /etc/motd.tail |
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| 15:32.20 | enouf | cuco: more http://denyhosts.sourceforge.net/faq.html |
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| 15:32.49 | enouf | cuco: my bad, wrong nick, i meant |bb7| |
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| 15:32.59 | puchu | petemc its only there one time |
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| 15:33.01 | cuco | enouf: lol |
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| 15:33.21 | petawolf83 | when my P4 is loaded i get this error constantly on my console window "APIC error on CPU0: 40(40)" can somebody help me? |
| 15:33.41 | enouf | cuco: fwiw, my relevant filename seeems to be z25--persistent-net.rules |
| 15:33.45 | enouf | ;-) |
| 15:33.49 | minus198 | Hello, how do I change the standard NIC card? Cause during boot, the eth1 sends out a DHCP Discover, and that is kinda stupid, cause it isn't used... |
| 15:33.52 | puchu | petawolf83: i think this doesnt matter |
| 15:34.03 | puchu | which kernel? |
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| 15:34.19 | petawolf83 | i cant read anything it does matter for me |
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| 15:34.39 | petawolf83 | how do i find out about kernel? |
| 15:34.47 | cuco | enouf: np, as i don't even have access to the machine, i forwarded that needed information to the other guy (just delete the file before creating the backup). BTW, mundo does that fkukc |
| 15:34.59 | enouf | petawolf83: are you running debian? and a debian kernel? |
| 15:35.30 | enouf | cuco: ok (whatever you said) :-P |
| 15:35.49 | xoz_ | petawolf83: is using ubuntu i guess |
| 15:36.05 | puchu | petawolf83 uname -a |
| 15:36.59 | petawolf83 | its everytime the pc is having a lot of load. Version 2.6.18-4-686 Debian 4.1.1-21 |
| 15:37.41 | puchu | maybe u should use a newer kernel |
| 15:38.21 | petawolf83 | thought debian was quite conservative about new things :) change from ubuntu because of this |
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| 15:38.31 | Nyle | GOOD MORNING |
| 15:38.35 | Nyle | caps |
| 15:38.47 | petawolf83 | GOOD MORNING SIR |
| 15:38.57 | Nyle | petawolf83: debian is a lot more stable than ubuntu |
| 15:39.10 | Nyle | ubuntu is a piece of shit whereas debian is gold |
| 15:39.14 | enouf | petawolf83: cat /proc/cmdline says? |
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| 15:39.44 | Azar | Nyle: bro, that wasn't nice |
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| 15:39.45 | petawolf83 | permission denied :) |
| 15:39.46 | hardcampa | as this is the debian channel that answer is hardly suprricing |
| 15:39.47 | enouf | Nyle: hola! |
| 15:39.55 | Nyle | petawolf83: have you tried to google the error message |
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| 15:40.04 | Nyle | enouf: longo time no see, how are you bro |
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| 15:40.15 | Nyle | Azar: my main man, when am I ever nice? |
| 15:40.17 | Nyle | ;) |
| 15:40.24 | Azar | :) |
| 15:40.34 | enouf | Nyle: esta bien ;-) |
| 15:40.43 | Nyle | enouf: ahh si |
| 15:40.47 | enouf | mucho turkeys about O_o |
| 15:40.50 | Nyle | enouf: estoy fumando mucho motta |
| 15:41.09 | Azar | Nyle: how was the turkey's leg? |
| 15:41.10 | enouf | donde hacineda su casa mi amigo? |
| 15:41.17 | Nyle | great |
| 15:41.20 | petawolf83 | my fault missed the cat :) "root=/dev/hda1 ro" |
| 15:41.23 | enouf | :-p |
| 15:41.25 | Nyle | my sister's husband got a Halal Turkey |
| 15:41.30 | Nyle | it was sso fresh good and clean |
| 15:41.34 | Nyle | the blood properly drained |
| 15:41.43 | Nyle | some of the best turkey meat I have ever had |
| 15:41.47 | Nyle | halal meat kicks ass |
| 15:41.52 | enouf | petawolf83: hrm, is that a laptop? |
| 15:41.52 | Nyle | its even cleaner than kosher |
| 15:41.55 | hardcampa | meat ggaghguuu |
| 15:41.57 | justus | hey.. my freshly installed debian pc is connected to the internet via a windows internet sharing. when i try to update with apt-get update && apt-get upgrade, it hangs when downloading the headers (99% waiting for headers). i tried some servers, but it won't work. any ideas? |
| 15:42.22 | enouf | petawolf83: are you a windows user and an overclocker? |
| 15:42.28 | Nyle | when that happens to me I just simply rety apt-get update |
| 15:42.33 | Nyle | retry |
| 15:42.46 | Nyle | or let it sit until its got it |
| 15:42.47 | petawolf83 | negative just debian on board and never tuned that laptop |
| 15:42.52 | justus | Nyle: i tried it many times, but it wont work |
| 15:43.03 | enouf | petawolf83: you should rin memtest86+ atleast for 10 hours .. go over your BIOS settings and through your Manual judiciously |
| 15:43.10 | Nyle | justus: can you temporarily hook it up directly to the cable box? |
| 15:43.19 | enouf | s/rin/run |
| 15:43.34 | xoz_ | justus: try direct connection |
| 15:43.38 | petawolf83 | enouf that bad huh? |
| 15:43.41 | Nyle | enouf: time is of no importance, only hw is. Run memtest for at least 2 passes, regardless of how much time it takes |
| 15:43.46 | enouf | petawolf83: is it a laptop? |
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| 15:43.53 | justus | Nyle: unfortunately, no. the debian box has no wifi and it's too far for a cable connection |
| 15:44.01 | petawolf83 | enouf yes it is |
| 15:44.03 | enouf | Nyle: or compile a kernel ;-) |
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| 15:44.31 | Nyle | well time is kinda important |
| 15:44.35 | enouf | petawolf83: ok, perhaps others are having similar issues, with make/model , do /msg dpkg laptop |
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| 15:44.45 | enouf | petawolf83: also check BTS |
| 15:44.48 | Nyle | people are always saying, I don't have time, I don't have time, I need time |
| 15:44.53 | xoz_ | justus: wifi is linksys? |
| 15:44.55 | Nyle | everyone always needs time, no one can ever give time |
| 15:45.05 | enouf | petawolf83: /msg dpkg bts |
| 15:45.09 | petawolf83 | Nyle :) |
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| 15:45.18 | Nyle | xoz_: are you going to suggest linux firmware and booste antenna signal? |
| 15:45.24 | Nyle | anteanna |
| 15:45.27 | Nyle | i can't spell |
| 15:45.28 | justus | xoz_: no |
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| 15:45.41 | enouf | Nyle: machines have plenty of time :-P |
| 15:45.43 | xoz_ | justus: what wifi ap? |
| 15:45.51 | Nyle | no what, but 'which' |
| 15:45.53 | Nyle | :D |
| 15:45.59 | justus | xoz_: it's a AVM FritzBox |
| 15:46.01 | petawolf83 | enouf thanks for you advice |
| 15:46.10 | Nyle | im going to wakenbake |
| 15:46.14 | enouf | petawolf83: welcome, wish you well mate |
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| 15:46.31 | dbmoodb | ah wtf is going with debian security these past few weeks ? |
| 15:46.32 | justus | xoz_: http://www.avm.de/en/Produkte/FRITZBox/index.html |
| 15:47.08 | dbmoodb | more cups and samba problems... |
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| 15:47.11 | Nyle | enouf: so what you been upto |
| 15:47.13 | Nyle | lately |
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| 15:47.40 | enouf | Nyle: well .. a little of this, a little of that |
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| 15:47.59 | Nyle | and a lot of the other? |
| 15:48.10 | enouf | mostly the other ;-) |
| 15:48.13 | Nyle | heh |
| 15:48.19 | xoz_ | justus: running sid? |
| 15:48.44 | justus | xoz_: etch |
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| 15:49.58 | enouf | petawolf83: one more thing, see if keeping it cool while under load, stops those errors |
| 15:50.27 | xoz_ | justus: try increase the cache size of apt.conf |
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| 15:51.21 | justus | xoz_: where can i change that value? |
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| 15:51.39 | petawolf83 | enouf it does stop those errors if CPU0 is idle |
| 15:52.02 | dbmoodb | peta- having the same issue as me - uptime of a few days then a crash |
| 15:52.09 | enouf | petawolf83: APIC is part of the CPU (advanced programmable interrupt controller), so if BIOS settings are all ok, and dmesg doesn't show errors, at first, consider overheating as a possible cause as well .. perhaps the HSF isn't correctly mated |
| 15:52.19 | dbmoodb | - testing mine by overriding the bios controls on the fans and stuff |
| 15:52.23 | xoz_ | justus: in /etc/apt/apt.conf. add: APT::Cache-Limit "20000000"; |
| 15:52.37 | dbmoodb | enouf - i'm getting acpi -errors ...so... |
| 15:52.52 | enouf | petawolf83: or, could be a RAM module, .. oh'? |
| 15:52.58 | petawolf83 | enouf HSF? |
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| 15:53.02 | ronr_ | I'm trying to setup a Samba server with a ldap backend, this ldap backend also contains login info for about 20 users, 10 use Debian (across about 10 workstations and 30 servers) and 10 use windows, so I setup samba as PDC to have the windows homedirs on the server, I want the same thing for the linux clients (actually, I want a windows user to be able to sit down behind a linux workstation and vice versa), anyone knows a good howto for this? |
| 15:53.09 | enouf | petawolf83: heat sink fan |
| 15:53.10 | dbmoodb | ronr- update it now- |
| 15:53.16 | dbmoodb | apt-get update apt-get upgrade - security patch |
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| 15:53.31 | walterbr | how do I kill NetworkManger? |
| 15:53.43 | walterbr | fucking thing keeps overwriting my /etc/resolv.conf |
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| 15:53.49 | walterbr | ;( |
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| 15:53.50 | dbmoodb | lol |
| 15:53.55 | dbmoodb | run kde |
| 15:54.03 | walterbr | that is hax sir |
| 15:54.07 | Azar | dbmoodb: do you get security notifications? I got the latest for Samba |
| 15:54.08 | stew | walterbr: aptitude remove network-manager |
| 15:54.09 | ronr | dbmoodb: update it now? |
| 15:54.17 | dbmoodb | ah yeah if you want to use it as a pdc |
| 15:54.18 | walterbr | right |
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| 15:54.46 | Azar | samba and kdegraphics |
| 15:54.49 | xoz_ | justus: try other mirror sites. seems a timeout problem also. http://www.debian.org/mirror/list |
| 15:54.50 | dbmoodb | - as azar said latest for samba ... |
| 15:54.54 | dbmoodb | and kdegraphics ? |
| 15:54.57 | Azar | yes |
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| 15:55.27 | walterbr | stew |
| 15:55.29 | ronr | dbmoodb: ok, upgraded |
| 15:55.29 | walterbr | W: Could not lock the cache file. Opening in read-only mode; any changes you make to the states of packages will NOT be preserved! |
| 15:55.33 | dbmoodb | wthat was yesterday |
| 15:55.33 | walterbr | E: Could not get lock /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (11 Resource temporarily unavailable) |
| 15:55.33 | xoz_ | justus: still not working? |
| 15:55.36 | walterbr | E: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), is another process using it? |
| 15:55.36 | Azar | DSA 1409-1 for samba and DSA 1408-1 for kdegraphics |
| 15:55.44 | justus | xoz_: cache setting didn't help and it already tried a lot of servers :( |
| 15:55.44 | dbmoodb | yeah |
| 15:55.48 | enouf | as root |
| 15:56.00 | Agiofws | stew, you think if i copy ubuntus config to the debians vanilla kernel and compile i'll get a working touchpad ? |
| 15:56.04 | dbmoodb | ok - so ah he can just use ...wait can you do what he is asking re lpad and samba / |
| 15:56.11 | dbmoodb | ldap* |
| 15:56.26 | ronr | dbmoodb: I'm actually looking for a howto to automatically mount homedirs and default shares in linux |
| 15:56.27 | xoz_ | justus: what about the wifi firewall? you have no restrictions on that wifi? |
| 15:56.38 | dbmoodb | oh |
| 15:57.20 | dbmoodb | ronr- - cheat way lol - place your own modified version of their console thing and have that open on start up - lol modified bash |
| 15:57.40 | dbmoodb | - don't do it that way |
| 15:57.45 | walterbr | how do I lock /var/lib/dpkg/ or remove its current lock? |
| 15:57.51 | ronr | dbmoodb: I always imagined this to be handled by samba as well, just realized that that actually not necessary |
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| 15:58.09 | ronr | maybe some nfs & pam solution would be simpler |
| 15:58.11 | dbmoodb | lol |
| 15:58.13 | justus | xoz_: i just tried another mirror and it works now. thanks for your help |
| 15:58.20 | enouf | walterbr: ps aux and see if you already have an apt/aptitude/synaptic session running |
| 15:58.36 | dbmoodb | well if i was you i would just wait - i can do this in windows lol - well just ..mmm thinks there is a way to do it |
| 15:59.05 | walterbr | enouf: nope |
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| 15:59.13 | dbmoodb | - i say i can do it in windows because i don't know how complete samba is |
| 15:59.22 | dbmoodb | - mounting should be fine i guess- |
| 15:59.24 | xoz_ | justus: maybe a timeout problem to some servers. |
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| 16:00.20 | enouf | walterbr: as root, lsof | grep /var/lib/dpkg/lock |
| 16:00.39 | ronr | dbmoodb: you know of a way to mount and umount stuff on login (I don't want /home/A when only B is logged) |
| 16:00.53 | enouf | walterbr: is /var ro? on it's own partition? |
| 16:01.07 | dbmoodb | nar i don't really lol - well mmm you can do this - i'm sure |
| 16:01.31 | dbmoodb | there are probably a good few walk throughs for this online |
| 16:01.35 | xoz_ | ronr: place the mount script in A's bash script? |
| 16:01.42 | dbmoodb | - i said that xoz |
| 16:01.46 | walterbr | enouf: no and yes |
| 16:01.54 | dbmoodb | but is'nt that cheating xoz ? |
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| 16:02.09 | dbmoodb | like there is a better way |
| 16:02.11 | enouf | wonderful |
| 16:02.17 | ronr | actually, I don't think bash script is executed if I login to KDE |
| 16:02.22 | xoz_ | dbmoodb: yep. autmomount maybe |
| 16:02.22 | dbmoodb | because their bash scripts will get updated at some points |
| 16:02.26 | ronr | (not until I open a konsole anyway) |
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| 16:02.38 | dbmoodb | sure but - despite that - look into it |
| 16:02.44 | dbmoodb | google it - i'm sure there are articles |
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| 16:02.51 | walterbr | vaio:~# lsof | grep /var/lib/dpkg/lock |
| 16:02.51 | walterbr | update-ma 3840 root 19uW REG 3,6 0 389398 /var/lib/dpkg/lock |
| 16:03.01 | enouf | walterbr: something is using it, and i bet it's a bad apt/aptitude/synaptic/kpackagemanager session, you need to break that, or restart your session or whatever .. |
| 16:03.15 | walterbr | hm |
| 16:03.16 | enouf | update module assistant? |
| 16:03.44 | ronr | automount looks good, I'll be reading the howto now, thx |
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| 16:03.55 | dbmoodb | lol |
| 16:04.02 | walterbr | er, I guess |
| 16:04.03 | dbmoodb | watch the pirms tho |
| 16:04.08 | walterbr | I have no idea what update-ma is |
| 16:04.12 | dbmoodb | don't want rooty |
| 16:04.20 | enouf | walterbr: erm, that's the user |
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| 16:04.27 | enouf | IINM |
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| 16:04.44 | walterbr | anyway, do I kill that proc? |
| 16:05.06 | enouf | dammit |
| 16:05.11 | enouf | it's not .. doh |
| 16:05.24 | enouf | i don;t know what updatema is |
| 16:05.36 | walterbr | :( |
| 16:05.43 | enouf | yeah, kill it ;-) |
| 16:05.57 | xoz_ | ronr: use plugdev. http://mattfleming.com/node/93 |
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| 16:06.18 | enouf | walterbr: update-manager? |
| 16:06.24 | walterbr | yeah |
| 16:06.31 | walterbr | that's what I'm thinking |
| 16:06.33 | enouf | we dont have no stinkin update-manager |
| 16:06.39 | walterbr | :o |
| 16:06.39 | ronr | what about libpam-mount, the description says pretty much that it is exactly what I want |
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| 16:06.42 | enouf | atleast not that i know of |
| 16:06.48 | walterbr | where the hell did this come from |
| 16:06.54 | enouf | walterbr: you bad n00b00nt00 |
| 16:07.15 | walterbr | no no |
| 16:07.17 | enouf | !penixstrike walterbr |
| 16:07.17 | dpkg | A towering Penix descends from the heavens, knocking walterbr to the ground and leaving a large wet spot. |
| 16:07.18 | walterbr | no ubuntu |
| 16:07.24 | xoz_ | ronr: adding your uid to plugdev group i think is easier. |
| 16:07.51 | enouf | walterbr: you ran "<something>" |
| 16:08.02 | enouf | now kill it dammit |
| 16:08.14 | xoz_ | ronr: but this works in gnome. not sure for kde |
| 16:08.33 | Hoxzer | how do I bind something from /dev/input/eventX as keyboard button ? |
| 16:08.47 | walterbr | enouf: I found it |
| 16:08.48 | dbmoodb | ~~ |
| 16:08.49 | apt | Every moment in which I'm called upon is torture. |
| 16:08.50 | walterbr | and I killed it |
| 16:08.53 | walterbr | KILLED IT HARD |
| 16:08.55 | Azar | Nyle! |
| 16:08.56 | walterbr | lock is gone |
| 16:08.57 | dbmoodb | like apt ? |
| 16:08.59 | dbmoodb | ~~ |
| 16:08.59 | apt | Every moment in which I'm called upon is torture. |
| 16:09.02 | enouf | about time |
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| 16:09.18 | dbmoodb | drat wrong thing |
| 16:09.19 | dbmoodb | ~~~~ |
| 16:09.20 | apt | ARGH!!! STOP IT dbmoodb!!! |
| 16:09.27 | dbmoodb | nope not that either nevermind |
| 16:09.39 | dbmoodb | the bot has one where it shoots its self |
| 16:10.01 | wols_ | why can't it shoot dbmoodb instead? better for everyone |
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| 16:10.14 | Azar | we need dkpg alive |
| 16:10.21 | puchu | hi |
| 16:10.22 | xoz_ | !boobs |
| 16:10.22 | dpkg | (.)(.) |
| 16:10.33 | enouf | \/ |
| 16:10.55 | jelly | this channel looks like Sunday already. |
| 16:10.57 | Enverex | !moobs |
| 16:11.08 | dbmoodb | ~moobs |
| 16:11.13 | Azar | jelly: it is the long holliday weekend |
| 16:11.18 | dbmoodb | i wish |
| 16:11.24 | dbmoodb | i have an election to vote in today |
| 16:11.32 | jelly | Azar: for USAans? |
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| 16:11.39 | Freddie` | hello guys |
| 16:11.51 | dbmoodb | ~!~ |
| 16:11.54 | Azar | jelly: no, I usually work on weekends because weekends are boring at home |
| 16:12.02 | ronr | xoz_: I need something that works in kde and ssh connections (plugdev is definetly not what I need, lipam-mount is) |
| 16:12.04 | stew | dbmoodb: please go to #debian-bots if you want to play with the bots |
| 16:12.55 | Freddie` | guys... i tryed to mount a remote resource via sshfs, and it worked. but now i'm having troubles using /etc/fstab to mount it... can hanyone help me ? |
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| 16:13.41 | puchu | i have a question .. i installed a new kernel and now i cant modprobe modules |
| 16:13.47 | puchu | what am i missing? |
| 16:14.05 | Freddie` | puchu: the modules ? |
| 16:14.09 | minus198 | How do I change the standard NIC. Cause during boot, the unused eth1 is trying to do a DHCP discover. |
| 16:14.10 | puchu | Linux Server 2.6.19.2 #3 Thu Nov 22 04:16:53 CET 2007 mips GNU/Linux |
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| 16:14.18 | xoz_ | puchu: ls /lib/modules/ has your kernel? |
| 16:14.21 | puchu | dir /lib/modules/ |
| 16:14.21 | puchu | 2.6.19.2 |
| 16:14.27 | Freddie` | puchu: apt-get install linux-modules-`uname -r` |
| 16:14.28 | puchu | they are there |
| 16:14.50 | puchu | Freddie` i compiled the kernel by my own |
| 16:14.55 | Freddie` | are they under /lib/modules/`uname -r` |
| 16:14.57 | xoz_ | plonk |
| 16:14.59 | enouf | ruh ruh |
| 16:15.00 | puchu | yeah |
| 16:15.17 | Freddie` | puchu: have you done make modules-install ? |
| 16:15.18 | ronr | puchu: you did install-modules? depmod -a? |
| 16:15.25 | puchu | no |
| 16:15.35 | puchu | i dont do depmode -a |
| 16:15.40 | puchu | didnt |
| 16:15.41 | jelly | !find IP/Country/Fast.pm etch |
| 16:15.45 | xoz_ | puchu: use make-kpkg |
| 16:15.53 | ronr | try it, won't hurt |
| 16:16.04 | ronr | (probably won't work either) |
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| 16:16.13 | puchu | xoz_ depmode -a did the trick |
| 16:16.14 | puchu | thanks |
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| 16:16.43 | puchu | xoz_ wired with 2.6.23.1 everthing worked without depmode -a |
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| 16:17.20 | puchu | lsmod |
| 16:17.37 | xoz_ | puchu: depends. if you rebooted, depmod -a should have been executed. |
| 16:18.11 | ronr | minus198: edit /etc/networking/interfaces |
| 16:18.19 | minus198 | ronr, Thank you. |
| 16:18.49 | oraut | Question for all sysadmins here, What security measures do you implement against Denial of service attacks? are there any unobvious ways of hardening the network setup? |
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| 16:19.35 | minus198 | ronr, Is it just to change all the "eth1" to "eth2"? |
| 16:19.37 | xoz_ | apt-cache search harden, apt-cache search security audit |
| 16:19.51 | ronr | oraut: honestly, I do nothing about it (except drop in iptables instead of reject) |
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| 16:20.02 | ronr | minus198: if eth2 is the right one, yeah |
| 16:20.11 | minus198 | ronr, Ok, thank you :3 |
| 16:20.43 | oraut | ronr, Just a curiosity, what will happen if iptables is bypassed? |
| 16:21.35 | oraut | ronr, any cases in which it can be bypassed? |
| 16:22.13 | ronr | oraut: I'm very much aware that my machines are vulnerable to DOS attacks, I should really look into it sometime, hopefully I will before it's too late ;) |
| 16:22.32 | Azar | oraut: I would guess if you set up iptables properly, it will be difficult to bypass unless someone gets access to admin area |
| 16:23.13 | dbmoodb | ~whatgives |
| 16:23.30 | Azar | oraut: http://www.howtoforge.com/blockhosts_debian_etch < to prevent forced access |
| 16:24.04 | xoz_ | oraut: apt-cache search harden... apt-get install tiger for auditing your system. |
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| 16:24.16 | dbmoodb | !audit |
| 16:24.30 | dbmoodb | nevermind the bots hate me now |
| 16:24.37 | a4ndr3c | hi anyone found a /quit |
| 16:24.45 | xoz_ | !fire dbmoodb |
| 16:24.46 | dpkg | I'm sorry, dbmoodb, but it just isn't working out. Pack up your stuff. |
| 16:24.46 | dbmoodb | nar you |
| 16:24.47 | Azar | dbmoodb: you are on their blacklist now |
| 16:24.58 | simonrvn | dbmoodb: stop abusing the bots |
| 16:25.04 | dbmoodb | oh - for how long ? |
| 16:25.04 | dbmoodb | i have |
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| 16:25.19 | dbmoodb | lol |
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| 16:25.45 | Mrdini | heya all |
| 16:25.52 | dbmoodb | ok no answer |
| 16:26.01 | Mrdini | pretty sure this is possible, but a bit vague on how... how can I rsync a directory _straight_ into a .tar.gz on a remote server? |
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| 16:26.24 | simonrvn | dbmoodb: simple really. control yourself, and the ban gets removed. |
| 16:26.31 | petemc | Mrdini: i dont think you could do that |
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| 16:26.50 | petemc | Mrdini: you can tar over ssh |
| 16:27.03 | SlayerXP | Mrdini: tar over netcat, or ssh |
| 16:27.16 | tristano | hello all, i'm in a trouble... a package not installed blocks dpkg, i cannot remove it!! help thanks |
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| 16:27.45 | ronr | tristano: please paste dpkg error somewhere on a pastesite |
| 16:27.47 | simonrvn | did anyway) |
| 16:27.58 | simonrvn | er, (i * |
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| 16:28.15 | tristano | E: Sub-process /urs/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1) |
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| 16:29.19 | xoz_ | tristano: info before this message. look what file.deb |
| 16:29.25 | ronr | tristano: the entire error, this just says, well, pretty much nothing at all |
| 16:29.39 | ronr | just that you use dpkg which I pretty much already guessed |
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| 16:31.03 | tristano | dpkg: errore processando e17-cvs (--remove) il sottoprocesso post-removal ha restituito un codice di errore 1 |
| 16:31.34 | tristano | it says me only this |
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| 16:31.45 | cusco | it must have some previous debug mensages |
| 16:31.47 | ronr | any knows a vmplayer with a basic debian installtion laying somewhere around on the web for me to download and test network configurations? |
| 16:31.50 | Mrdini | hmm, what does the dash in "tar cf - " do? (man tar doesn't say |
| 16:31.54 | cusco | wich state the cause of why dpkg errored out |
| 16:32.04 | ronr | tristano: just do: dpkg --configure -a and paste everything is says |
| 16:32.08 | xoz_ | tristano: cd /var/lib/dpkg/info... look for e17-cvs.postinst |
| 16:32.12 | kriebel | Mrdini, tells tar to read form stdin |
| 16:32.12 | tristano | ronr: e17-cvs is an external deb package |
| 16:32.24 | Mrdini | kriebel, ah ha! right ok |
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| 16:32.52 | ronr | tristano: no matter (and please use english locales) |
| 16:33.18 | tristano | ronr: sorry |
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| 16:34.10 | tristano | ronr: error processing e17-cvs (--remove) post-removal subprocess returned error code (1) |
| 16:34.17 | xoz_ | tristano: you can cat /dev/null > e17-cvs.postinst to allow it to proceed. |
| 16:34.40 | BaD-Laptop | quick question. is there a repository for testing/lenny that's similar to ubuntu's restricted-drivers? |
| 16:34.48 | xoz_ | ronr: ^^ |
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| 16:35.55 | ronr | xoz_: ah well, it's friday, it's 17:30 (where I am), beers are cold and waiting for me... I'm outta here |
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| 16:36.13 | tristano | ronr: done. nothing happens... |
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| 16:36.19 | petemc | beer oclock already |
| 16:36.31 | xoz_ | tristano: dpkg --pending --configure |
| 16:36.57 | Mawkee | BaD-Laptop: They're usually not needed. Some things are on the "non-free" repositories. What do you need? |
| 16:37.17 | Mawkee | petemc: already? ooh, I'm late! Brb :P |
| 16:37.30 | tristano | ronr: done.. but nothing happens again :( |
| 16:37.45 | xoz_ | tristano: are you listening? |
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| 16:38.02 | tristano | ronr: ? |
| 16:38.23 | xoz_ | wtf |
| 16:38.25 | BaD-Laptop | Mawkee: my pcmcia wireless card for my laptop uses the Atheros chipset, and the debian-installer doesn't detect it. so no network or net installs. |
| 16:39.27 | xoz_ | !tell BaD-Laptop -about m-a |
| 16:39.41 | tristano | ronr: i did all that you say to me, but the error still shows to me in all its elegance |
| 16:39.46 | xoz_ | BaD-Laptop: oh. during installation? |
| 16:39.51 | BaD-Laptop | yeah |
| 16:40.17 | xoz_ | BaD-Laptop: using pcmcia for install is a bad idea |
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| 16:40.28 | BaD-Laptop | it detects the realtek ethernet, and pcmcia services are started during install. still no good. |
| 16:40.32 | _Alix | ^^ |
| 16:40.36 | mogra | What's the ETA for Lenny's release to Stable? |
| 16:40.50 | Ronin | mogra: before the end of the decade, maybe later |
| 16:40.57 | BaD-Laptop | it seems to work with everything else. fedora, ubuntu, slackware |
| 16:40.58 | mogra | XD |
| 16:40.58 | Mawkee | mogra: anything between 1 month and 5 years |
| 16:41.18 | xoz_ | BaD-Laptop: use any of them and install debian with debootstrap |
| 16:41.32 | BaD-Laptop | mmm, there's an idea |
| 16:41.41 | jelly | mogra: there's no ETA. /msg dpkg wir |
| 16:41.52 | xoz_ | BaD-Laptop: orr knoppix + debootstrap |
| 16:41.53 | mogra | :) |
| 16:42.15 | mogra | jelly, thanks, that's what I was looking for. Need to paste that into an IM. |
| 16:42.31 | tristano | ronr: i was being installing e17 via CVS, after some error i tried with the .deb package (and not works), then i complete CVS installation. but i can't remove .deb package previously installed package |
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| 16:42.56 | BaD-Laptop | hehe, !wir == duke nukem forever :) |
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| 16:43.12 | jelly | mogra: there's also /msg dpkg wwlr |
| 16:43.25 | mogra | :D |
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| 16:44.37 | mogra | jelly: now, next Question "Do outdated libraries matter?" |
| 16:45.06 | jelly | "it depends" |
| 16:45.11 | BaD-Laptop | mogra: not if you have programs that still use them. |
| 16:45.26 | mogra | :) |
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| 16:46.03 | mogra | My Debian "apprentice" was told by his Uncle that Debian "sucks" because of libraries, that he should use Gentoo. My answer was "yea, if you've got time and patience for it" |
| 16:46.08 | BaD-Laptop | oohh, i really should aptitude autoclean once in a while. there's over 3gb of debs eating drive space. |
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| 16:47.36 | BaD-Laptop | gentoo is nice if you are a bsd sysadmin and switching to linux. the portage system is about the only good thing for it. other than that, the releases are older than debian/stable by a long shot. |
| 16:47.36 | jelly | mogra: Debian is not for everyone. I welcome Debian stable on my servers. |
| 16:47.47 | mogra | jelly: same here |
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| 16:48.05 | USERNAME | hi |
| 16:48.30 | USERNAME | guys i got banned can u help me out |
| 16:48.36 | Ronin | USERNAME: nope |
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| 16:48.50 | BaD-Laptop | USERNAME: which way did you come in? |
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| 16:49.14 | USERNAME | i click on yoyur channel |
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| 16:49.16 | spal | USERNAME: try #freenode |
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| 16:49.41 | BaD-Laptop | maxtor 300gb sata hard drives for $49 |
| 16:50.02 | mogra | BaD-Laptop: I'll take 2! |
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| 16:50.30 | BaD-Laptop | mogra: good, cuz that's all you can order |
| 16:50.35 | BaD-Laptop | http://shop2.outpost.com/product/4987891 |
| 16:50.57 | BaD-Laptop | too bad i don't need any more drives |
| 16:51.13 | BaD-Laptop | it's a great deal. yesterday and today only |
| 16:51.33 | concept10 | Anyone use a HDTV LCD as a computer monitor? I would rather get a 37" HDTV than a 22" computer monitor |
| 16:52.17 | minus198 | Why isn't "Times New Roman" in Open Office? |
| 16:52.19 | cahoot | concept10: http://www.thinkwiki.org/wiki/Xorg_RandR_1.2 |
| 16:52.25 | BaD-Laptop | awe come on. i got 2 of the envision 22" ws lcd monitors from best buy today. i got one and my girlfriend got one. |
| 16:52.49 | xoz_ | 22" is small |
| 16:53.01 | BaD-Laptop | $150 was too good to pass up |
| 16:53.06 | BaD-Laptop | so i got 2 |
| 16:53.06 | Mawkee | minus198: Try with "apt-get install msttcorefonts" |
| 16:53.12 | Ronin | xoz_: its not the size its what you do with it |
| 16:53.14 | concept10 | xoz_: how does it work, is it better or worse than using regular monitor |
| 16:54.18 | xoz_ | concept10: quiet good if you have a wireless mouse and keyboard. for browsing and watching videos... not really for programming. |
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| 16:54.50 | xoz_ | concept10: contrast and detail is very good because it has better tech for backlight and contrast. |
| 16:54.50 | RickyLn1 | what is the proper way to terminate man after reading in a man? |
| 16:55.03 | xoz_ | RickyLn1: q |
| 16:55.04 | Mawkee | RickyLn1: q |
| 16:55.09 | simonrvn | money to burn... |
| 16:55.27 | simonrvn | ...on buy nothing day |
| 16:55.27 | Mawkee | RickyLn1: Actually, it depends on your default pager, I think. But "q" should do it |
| 16:55.53 | xoz_ | 32" lcdtv in singapore is around 700 us dollar |
| 16:55.53 | BaD-Laptop | the default pager for man is less |
| 16:56.06 | FalscherHase | RickyLn1: or type 'h' for help |
| 16:56.27 | BaD-Laptop | xoz_: oohh, still cheaper than a 30" apple cinema. :) |
| 16:56.31 | Mawkee | BaD-Laptop: Actually, the default pager for everything is less :) |
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| 16:56.42 | simonrvn | if it's installed |
| 16:56.56 | BaD-Laptop | more is less and less is more? ;] |
| 16:57.06 | Mawkee | BaD-Laptop: Yes, but most is most! |
| 16:57.08 | Mawkee | no kidding :P |
| 16:57.11 | xoz_ | BaD-Laptop: apple cinema does not support many inputs unlike in lcdtv. |
| 16:58.13 | BaD-Laptop | xoz_: that's true, plus the apple cinemas have terribly slow refresh rates. |
| 16:58.45 | xoz_ | BaD-Laptop: yep. very bad to the eyes. |
| 16:59.15 | BaD-Laptop | and the native resolution is kind of ackward for anything but a mac. meh! |
| 17:00.39 | BaD-Laptop | oh well, i've been up all night waiting in line at best buy. i think i'm going to nap now and install testing later on this laptop so i can kill BaD_CrC in its vbox environment under ubuntu. blah. |
| 17:00.39 | xoz_ | watching a movie from computer (calibrated) with lcdtv has better color and contrast compared to dvd player. |
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| 17:01.47 | minus198 | Mawkee, There is still no Times New Roman in the font menus... |
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| 17:04.02 | concept10 | crap, ive never seen a pc hooked to a lcdtv... i just wonder how well it looks... the one on sale is 1366 x 768 reso, I usually run 1024 x 768 (hate the small stull) |
| 17:04.51 | minus198 | So, does anyone know why times new roman isn't in Open Office? |
| 17:04.51 | minus198 | i've installed mscorefonts |
| 17:04.51 | Mawkee | minus198: apt-get install xfs |
| 17:05.05 | Mawkee | minus198: then restart openoffice (possibly X, I don't know) |
| 17:05.06 | BaD-Laptop | concept10: ever been to a retail store where there's a media center computer hooked to a tv showing it's demos? i'm sure almost everyone has, and even some might work in those places. |
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| 17:05.47 | concept10 | BaD-Laptop: thanks.. im going back to WalMart..(hope the still have em) |
| 17:05.49 | BaD-Laptop | hp makes nice lcdtvs and they couple with their media center boxes very nicely |
| 17:05.50 | concept10 | brb |
| 17:05.53 | minus198 | Mawkee, There we go :) Thank you |
| 17:06.07 | Mawkee | minus198: You're welcome. I'll wait here |
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| 17:11.38 | edistar | can anyone recommend a OSS voip client? with encryption maybe? would be cool if it were textbased, but gui if there isn't any.. |
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| 17:12.09 | wols_ | openphone (awful to use since it needs too many ports) |
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| 17:12.13 | wols_ | openwengo perhaps |
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| 17:12.45 | dacs | good morning all and happy thanks giving |
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| 17:15.34 | dacs | how can i search for a channel to see if its listed in irc server? |
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| 17:16.04 | cmanns | What ftpd uses the linux username/pass to access their /home folders. |
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| 17:16.27 | dacs | cmanns: did you try filezela |
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| 17:16.41 | simonrvn | dacs: /msg chanserv list *foo* |
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| 17:17.07 | cmanns | no I used one before I cant recall the it was like proftpd or started with a v |
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| 17:17.28 | Eclipser | vsftpd? |
| 17:17.29 | dacs | simonrvn: thanks |
| 17:17.33 | simonrvn | vsftpd, pure-ftpd, porftpd, ... |
| 17:17.38 | simonrvn | pro* |
| 17:17.45 | cmanns | My buddy said proftpd I'll give it a try :/ |
| 17:17.48 | cmanns | thx |
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| 17:18.56 | dacs | simonrvn: i did chanserv list debian and it said 0 match??!! |
| 17:19.11 | cahoot | dacs: try with # |
| 17:19.19 | dacs | duhh |
| 17:19.22 | simonrvn | the * weren't accidental ;) |
| 17:20.08 | nixx | hello people, on Sid, for 2 days X is very sluggish, any one else notice this or do I kick my box? |
| 17:20.30 | spal | nixx: kicking the box is not a good idea. |
| 17:20.49 | jelly | kick the admin |
| 17:20.51 | simonrvn | you could hurt your foot. easier to just restart x |
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| 17:21.33 | nixx | jelly, tried that, but then I'm the admin, so it hurt more |
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| 17:21.40 | nixx | spal, works on other OSes :) |
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| 17:21.56 | spal | nixx: you can run 'top' and find out what is causing it to be sluggish |
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| 17:21.59 | nixx | simonrvn, many restarts no diff :) |
| 17:22.14 | nixx | spal, top is normal, uptime hovers around 0.15 |
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| 17:22.45 | simonrvn | this is a p3/500 with 256 mb ram, i know why it gets sluggish (restarting x works ;) ;) |
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| 17:24.24 | nixx | spal, Xorg is using less than 5% of mem. 2.3% CPU, i don't understand why its not as responsive |
| 17:25.06 | nixx | simonrvn, p4 2.8 with 1G ram, its not supposed to be a slow box :) and the slugginesh started after an upgrade |
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| 17:25.44 | jelly | nixx: it might not be X, but something else eating up a scarce resource. use vmstat to see if something's using disk, for example |
| 17:26.07 | simonrvn | nah, couldn't be :P |
| 17:26.50 | nixx | jelly, don't really understand vmstats output though |
| 17:27.15 | jelly | nixx: run "vmstat 1" and pastbin say 20 lines of it |
| 17:28.14 | Jocke | How do you install the non-free kernel drivers? |
| 17:28.21 | jelly | nixx: if the b column is constantly > 0, means processes are waiting for I/O (typically a disk drive) |
| 17:28.33 | nixx | jelly, http://pastebin.ca/795073 |
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| 17:29.26 | nixx | jelly, b col is all 0s |
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| 17:30.20 | jelly | nixx: looks reasonably idle except for a some process running between 27-32 line/second |
| 17:30.54 | jelly | nixx: a disk issue would also show high wa[it] column percentage |
| 17:31.04 | jelly | so it's not it |
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| 17:31.43 | lewis2 | can someone help me interpret a kernel panic? |
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| 17:31.58 | nixx | jelly, i didnt consider the disk, but a quick dd shows the same results i got on a similar machine with Etch |
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| 17:32.14 | lewis2 | box crashed after being up for three months or so, not sure what I am looking for here... |
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| 17:32.41 | jelly | lewis2: maybe ##kernel, or the canonical lkml |
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| 17:33.10 | lewis2 | okies. |
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| 17:33.18 | simonrvn | you're supposed to be sending those to lkml with info asked for in BUGS |
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| 17:34.47 | xored | anybody using kaspersky Email Antivr with Exim under Debian ? |
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| 17:36.28 | multi_io | 785 people! |
| 17:36.43 | multi_io | wow ;P |
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| 17:44.13 | amen | which firewall and antivirus i can install to debian? |
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| 17:45.31 | simonrvn | um, why would you want that? |
| 17:45.32 | cahoot | AV for what purpose? |
| 17:45.48 | amen | for more security |
| 17:46.00 | simonrvn | um, why would you want that? |
| 17:46.05 | Ronin | amen: why the antivirus? is it a mail or file server for windows? |
| 17:46.13 | amen | no |
| 17:46.13 | cahoot | amen: you run a mialserver? |
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| 17:46.23 | Ronin | then you dont need teh avp |
| 17:46.27 | simonrvn | then it's useless |
| 17:46.29 | mbroeker | amen, well clamav is useful for such boxes. |
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| 17:46.47 | simonrvn | This Isn't Windows (tm) |
| 17:46.54 | kb3llm | will kde4 work fine with Sid/Lenny? |
| 17:47.05 | amen | hehe, ok |
| 17:47.08 | simonrvn | kb3llm: not for the faint hearted |
| 17:47.16 | kb3llm | simonrvn: what do you mean? |
| 17:47.20 | mbroeker | amen, you DONT run a mailserver? |
| 17:47.28 | simonrvn | it has many issues still |
| 17:47.33 | mbroeker | well, i read the opposite first. |
| 17:47.33 | amen | mbroeker: no i don't |
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| 17:47.45 | simonrvn | (getting better mind you, but still there) |
| 17:47.49 | kb3llm | simonrvn: that sucks because i accidently upgraded to sid... heh |
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| 17:48.10 | simonrvn | kde4 is only in experimental so no worries |
| 17:48.25 | klync | anyone know how to fix a missing gpg key within apt? i did apt-get update and apt-key update, and i still have no key for non-us.debian.org |
| 17:48.27 | simonrvn | ...and sid isn't an upgrade ;) |
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| 17:48.45 | simonrvn | klync: non-us is dead |
| 17:48.49 | mbroeker | i am so familiar with kde3 that i am i little bit afraid about the kde4 release in dezember. |
| 17:48.59 | amen | need i a firewall than? |
| 17:49.00 | simonrvn | unless you're still running sarge (why?) |
| 17:49.11 | kb3llm | simonrvn: i did a dist-upgrade, and it upgraded me to sid. /sigh/ |
| 17:49.24 | klync | simonrvn: where do i download non-nsa-trojaned apps from then? ;) |
| 17:49.31 | minus198 | kb3llm, Ehm.. Why did you do a dist upgrade then? |
| 17:49.33 | simonrvn | amen: is this a router on your network? then iptables you'll need, otherwise it's useless |
| 17:49.45 | klync | so, i should just take that one out of my sources list? |
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| 17:50.10 | simonrvn | This Isn't Windows (tm) |
| 17:50.43 | behrad | how can i see a deb package dependency without install it? |
| 17:50.52 | amen | simonrvn: i'm configuring 3 debian systems, i use a router but one use usb modem and oneother use ethernet accesspoint |
| 17:50.54 | stew | behrad: apt-cache show packagename |
| 17:51.03 | kb3llm | minus198: because i wanted to make sure i was up to date. i shoulda done apt-get update; apt-get upgrade... instead of dist-upgrade.. Now i want to downgrade, but people have problems downgrading..... and its a server (for 3-4 small websites) so i dont want it to go wrong.... |
| 17:51.10 | stew | behrad: or apt-cache depends packagename |
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| 17:51.21 | simonrvn | doesn't change what i said |
| 17:51.22 | stew | kb3llm: upgrade would have also upgraded you to sid |
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| 17:51.42 | guiss | can anyone confirm me if I can put multiple gateways while I am using ip aliasing in different networks? |
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| 17:51.55 | simonrvn | he edited sources.list or something... |
| 17:51.58 | behrad | stew, the isnt in repository. its single package |
| 17:52.07 | stew | guiss: /msg dpkg split access |
| 17:52.14 | minus198 | kb3llm, Do a backup of the websites.. Reinstall, and put the websites back on |
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| 17:53.13 | stew | behrad: ar p /path/to/.deb control.tar.gz | tar xzO -f- ./control | grep Depends |
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| 17:54.03 | simonrvn | Depends are usually in pharmacies |
| 17:54.11 | kb3llm | minus198: nah - I'll just wait until lenny/sid is actually released. |
| 17:54.21 | stew | kb3llm: sid is never released |
| 17:54.25 | minus198 | kb3llm, Happ.. :3 |
| 17:54.43 | minus198 | kb3llm, Can I ask you why you run testing on a webserver? |
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| 17:55.01 | minus198 | A server should run stable, shouldn't it? |
| 17:55.06 | stew | minus198: yes |
| 17:55.17 | behrad | stew, thanks alot |
| 17:55.21 | kb3llm | stew: Beause i didnt mean to upgrade to sid! |
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| 17:55.37 | kb3llm | so I'll wait until the actual version is released...... and then upgrade to that. |
| 17:55.46 | minus198 | kb3llm, so it upgraded from Etch to Sid? |
| 17:55.51 | simonrvn | sid is never released |
| 17:55.54 | kb3llm | minus198: yes.. |
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| 17:56.01 | minus198 | kb3llm, thats weird.. |
| 17:56.04 | simonrvn | (there's an echo in here...) |
| 17:56.09 | kanzure | I am trying to install libqt4-dev on Debian but I get an odd unmet dependency error demanding libpq-dev (which is unavailable). Any suggestions? |
| 17:56.11 | kb3llm | simonrvn: no, but i can upgrade FROM sid to the actual next release, correct? |
| 17:56.14 | kanzure | dpkg: libqt4 |
| 17:56.20 | minus198 | It normally upgrades from etch to lenny to sid... |
| 17:56.26 | simonrvn | kb3llm: no |
| 17:56.26 | stew | kb3llm: then you should subscribe to http://lists.debian.org/debian-security-annouce . sometimes security fixes aren't released for testing on time, so you'll have to manually patch and recompiled stuff from time to time |
| 17:56.46 | kb3llm | simonrvn: so I'm stuck on sid forever? |
| 17:57.06 | kb3llm | stew: The requested URL /debian-security-annouce was not found on this server. |
| 17:57.09 | simonrvn | until you do something about it (which has already been covered) |
| 17:57.09 | stew | kb3llm: you could theoretically not update for a long time, then update to lenny. however this means that likely you'd be missing some security fixes |
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| 17:57.35 | amen | i have problem with apt-get update, security mirror is unavaiable |
| 17:57.51 | stew | kb3llm: http://lists.debian.org/debian-security-announce/ |
| 17:58.13 | kb3llm | stew: thats what i was saying, just wait until lenny is released... |
| 17:58.17 | stew | amen: what url are you having a problem with? |
| 17:58.42 | amen | W: Couldn't stat source package list http://security.debian.org stable/updates/contrib Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/security.debian.org_dists_stable_updates_contrib_binary-i386_Packages) - stat (2 No such file or directory) |
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| 17:59.05 | stew | amen: what is the deb line from /etc/apt/sources.list? |
| 17:59.11 | kb3llm | stew: is there any PROVEN way to downgrade? |
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| 17:59.29 | stew | kb3llm: /msg dpkg partial downgrade ; it's very tedious |
| 17:59.44 | stew | kb3llm: and some things will be known to not downgrade properly |
| 18:00.27 | amen | stew: http://rafb.net/p/imqEV299.html |
| 18:01.18 | kb3llm | stew: ok, well i dont want to reinstall. so.. which of these sounds better: Try to downgrade, or just stay where I'm at... |
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| 18:03.00 | kb3llm | stew: ? |
| 18:03.22 | stew | kb3llm: i'd recommend reinstalling |
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| 18:03.43 | kb3llm | stew: i dont want to do that.... /sigh/ |
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| 18:04.29 | sam_uk | how can i force the removal of a broken package? this is my problem http://www.pastebin.ca/795101 |
| 18:04.42 | kb3llm | stew: now, how do i just wait for the next release? if i wait, when it is released, it will automatically go to it? |
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| 18:08.06 | stew | kb3llm: i would recommend downgrading then, i guess. i wouldn't recommend anything but stable for a server. Expect it to be a tedious process that might not work |
| 18:08.39 | stew | amen: i'd recommend changing all mentions of "stable" to "etch". you can remove 'contrib' from the security line, contrib doesn't get security updates |
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| 18:09.35 | mooper | !pnfs |
| 18:09.44 | kanzure | I cannot install libqt4-dev. Can somebody arrange to send me qmake-qt4 ? |
| 18:10.13 | stew | kanzure: why can't you install libqt4-dev? |
| 18:10.20 | kanzure | stew: unmet dependencies. |
| 18:10.28 | kanzure | on 'libpq-dev' |
| 18:10.43 | mbroeker | kanzure, only the binary or a deb? |
| 18:10.48 | stew | kanzure: why can't you install libpq-dev ? |
| 18:10.49 | kanzure | mbroeker: binary is ok :) |
| 18:11.00 | amen | stew: now work good |
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| 18:11.06 | kanzure | stew: unmet dependencies on libssl-dev and libkrb5-dev |
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| 18:11.20 | stew | kanzure: are you trying to mix two different releases of debian? |
| 18:11.31 | kanzure | stew: No, I don't think so. |
| 18:11.31 | sam_uk | anyone know how to force the removal of a broken package? |
| 18:11.31 | stew | kanzure: why can't you install libssl-dev? |
| 18:11.39 | kanzure | stew: libssl-dev: Depends: libssl0.9.8 (= 0.9.8c-4etch1) but 0.9.8e-9 is to be installed |
| 18:11.43 | stew | sam_uk: aptitude remove packagename |
| 18:11.52 | amen | stew: yes, work but i have other errors http://rafb.net/p/AwhkE477.html |
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| 18:12.29 | stew | kanzure: can you show us the output of "apt-cache policy libssl0.9.8" ; use a pastebin: /msg dpkg pastebin |
| 18:12.43 | mooper | anyone know anything about pnfs? |
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| 18:13.34 | kanzure | stew: Hold on. :) |
| 18:13.51 | stew | kanzure: actually, make it "apt-cache policy libssl0.9.8 libc6" |
| 18:13.57 | sam_uk | Errors were encountered while processing: |
| 18:13.57 | sam_uk | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:13.57 | sam_uk | E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1) |
| 18:14.00 | stew | amen: those urls are not 404 for me |
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| 18:14.09 | sam_uk | i think i need to force it |
| 18:14.12 | stew | sam_uk: show us the actual command you typed and the actual output, use a pastebin: /msg dpkg pastebin |
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| 18:14.20 | stew | sam_uk: you can't force it. you have to fix it |
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| 18:14.58 | amen | stew: my bad... |
| 18:14.58 | kanzure | stew: http://heybryan.org/stew_output.txt |
| 18:15.51 | stew | kanzure: so the problem is that your systm is an out of date testing (aka lenny) or an out of date unstable (aka sid) system, but your sources.list is pointing at stable |
| 18:16.06 | kanzure | hmm |
| 18:16.13 | kanzure | What server should my sources.list point at? |
| 18:16.40 | kanzure | I'm using etch main at the moment |
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| 18:16.56 | stew | kanzure: you are pointing at the correct servers. but you have upgraded your stable install to a testing one at some point, then switched your sources.list back to stable, so you are trying to mix testing and stable which isn't recommended |
| 18:17.18 | kanzure | stew: So should I point it back to testing ? |
| 18:17.28 | stew | kanzure: what is the machine going to be used for? |
| 18:17.41 | kanzure | stew: laptop, so daily stability is a must |
| 18:17.54 | stew | kanzure: then reinstall stable |
| 18:18.07 | kanzure | currently the line looks like: deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ etch main |
| 18:18.14 | kanzure | so should I have that say "stable main" instead of "etch main" ? |
| 18:18.29 | stew | kanzure: no, etch and stable are the same thing. and it is better to use etch |
| 18:18.37 | kanzure | so ... |
| 18:18.47 | kanzure | apt-get upgrade ? |
| 18:19.19 | stew | kanzure: no, you need to downgrade, not upgrade, and there is no built in downgrade support. you can do it manually which is tedious and takes a long time and is not guranteed to work. |
| 18:19.25 | stew | kanzure: we'd recommend that you just reinstall |
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| 18:19.41 | kanzure | uhh |
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| 18:20.56 | stew | kanzure: apt-get upgrade upgrades your installed packages to newer ones if they are avaiabile. you already have newer packages than what is available, so upgrade isn't going to do anything |
| 18:21.04 | Gul | hi, is there a way i can install perl version 5.008 besides the current 5.6.8? |
| 18:21.22 | buu | Gul: No! |
| 18:21.26 | buu | At least, I hope not. |
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| 18:21.56 | Gul | buu, i need to for an old script, as i dont know any perl |
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| 18:22.32 | buu | Gul: 5008 is like, a billion years old =[ |
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| 18:22.53 | stew | Gul: what makes you think that 5.008 would make the script work? |
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| 18:23.11 | Gul | buu, i know, but the script doesnt work with the current version and there is no budget to correct the script |
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| 18:23.23 | buu | Gul: Ick. |
| 18:23.32 | buu | Gul: That just sounds dangerous. |
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| 18:23.49 | Gul | stew, it runs on a server with 5.008, i am migrating this customer from a different isp to my server |
| 18:23.51 | g3brown | I had exim4 working with my old ISP, but my new ISP requires SMTP authentication and I can't seem to get the config to work. I'm just using the smarthost fuction to email logs and such. |
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| 18:24.43 | stew | Gul: what happens when you try to run the script on the current version of perl? |
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| 18:25.26 | sepski | g3brown, smtp auth is simple in exim, read the doc in /usr/share/exim... think it's something like smarthost username password in a file in /etc/exim |
| 18:25.53 | Gul | stew different problems, one thing is that the counting doesnt work right, it was like text1.txt, text2.txt, ... before, and now it is text7.txt, text7.txt, text7.txt |
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| 18:26.27 | g3brown | sepski: yeah, it looked pretty simple. Change the update-exim4.conf.conf to new SMTP host and add username:password to passwd.client file. |
| 18:26.31 | Gul | stew, thing is there is no budget to correct the script and i can only program like 3 lines in perl (ruby guy, sorry) |
| 18:27.03 | Gul | stew, customer couldnt care what version is running |
| 18:27.17 | Gul | stew, and he will be the only one calling this version of perl |
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| 18:27.28 | sepski | g3brown, hmm my config said something like mx.smarthost.com:username:password |
| 18:28.17 | Gul | stew, the script is the absolute horror, but it works for the customer |
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| 18:29.21 | mooper | !nfs4 |
| 18:29.21 | dpkg | i heard nfs4 is http://helix360.de/tutorials/nfsv4/9/ |
| 18:29.22 | buu | Gul: Oh god, is this .. matt's scripts? |
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| 18:29.38 | dacs | anyone here heard of a player called "DomPlayer"? |
| 18:29.43 | buu | Gul: If it's not custom can you possibly replace it with a newer alternative? |
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| 18:29.57 | Gul | buu: no it's called autoresponder unlimited |
| 18:30.24 | Polarina | How do I set up the NVIDIA Beta drivers? I can't find them in sid. |
| 18:30.27 | Gul | buu, i wish i could, but like i said, there is no budget |
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| 18:30.55 | g3brown | sepski: I've only ever edited /etc/exim4/update-exim4.conf.conf in the past. With the Auth SMTP, I read all you needed was to place the username and password in passwd.client. That isn't working. I don't have docs in /usr/share/exim. That appears to be an executable script there. |
| 18:30.55 | buu | =[ |
| 18:31.00 | buu | Gul: guess you |
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| 18:31.04 | buu | 'll have to get the source. |
| 18:31.08 | buu | And make your own. |
| 18:31.34 | Gul | buu, figured, just tried, but perl wont compile after `make` |
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| 18:31.47 | buu | Uh. |
| 18:31.52 | buu | You've got.. larger issues. |
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| 18:32.18 | buu | Gul: What are the error messages? |
| 18:32.20 | stew | Gul: if you are going to try to install an older version of perl, you really want to make it local to this guy's home directory or something. you really don't want it to end up in someones PATH |
| 18:32.22 | Gul | buu, that's why i asked if there may be a deb |
| 18:32.35 | buu | Gul: Dunno. Sorry. |
| 18:32.36 | Gul | stew, of course |
| 18:32.41 | stew | Gul: you DON'T want a deb of perl. that would replace your system's perl, which would be bad |
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| 18:32.53 | Gul | stew, i see |
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| 18:33.01 | stew | Gul: if you had a deb of perl, it would be overwriting /usr/bin/perl |
| 18:33.13 | Gul | # make |
| 18:33.13 | Gul | make: *** No rule to make target `<command-line>', needed by `miniperlmain.o'. Stop. |
| 18:33.31 | buu | Um. |
| 18:33.40 | Gul | after answering what seems like thousand question from `sh Configure` |
| 18:34.00 | Gul | this is perl5.005_04 |
| 18:34.16 | Gul | some issued with perl-5.6.2 |
| 18:34.20 | Gul | same |
| 18:34.41 | buu | That seems.. peculiar. |
| 18:34.46 | buu | But I have no particular knowledge. |
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| 18:35.01 | Gul | i guess i will go and bug the #perl guys |
| 18:35.47 | klync | Gul: have you tried inspecting the Makefile to see what the targets are? i'm not that experienced with makefiles, but you might be able to figure it out |
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| 18:36.00 | Polarina | How do I set up the NVIDIA Beta drivers? I can't find them in sid. |
| 18:36.22 | Gul | klync, will try, but the perl INSTALL file just says to call make, make test and make install |
| 18:36.55 | RickyLn1 | whats the command to see what linux distro i'm using? |
| 18:37.31 | Polarina | RickyLn1: :| |
| 18:37.40 | klync | RickyLn1: often you can find hints by doing `cat /etc/issue` or `uname -a` |
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| 18:39.21 | RickyLn1 | second method worked, first method output. cat: /etc/issue; No such file or blah |
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| 18:40.25 | klync | RickyLn1: ya, afaik, there's no standard .... /etc/issue is used by some distros (e.g. debian) as the text of the greeting for a shell login |
| 18:41.03 | klync | ... while uname gives info about your running kernel, which sometimes will mention the distro (if you're using their stock kernel) |
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| 18:41.16 | RickyLn1 | ahh |
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| 18:41.24 | dacs | where can i get fdisk |
| 18:41.34 | RickyLn1 | from a win98 bootdisk? |
| 18:41.37 | RickyLn1 | bootdisk.com ? |
| 18:41.50 | mbroeker | RickyLn1, try a cat /etc/*version* |
| 18:42.08 | klync | dacs, RickyLn1 : there's a dos fdisk and a linux fdisk... i'm guessing you want the latter |
| 18:42.19 | RickyLn1 | mroeker same result. the box is freeBSD |
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| 18:42.35 | klync | dacs: should be on the install cd from just about every distro, or, one of my favourites, the "insert" rescue/utility cd |
| 18:42.50 | dacs | klync: i am trying to repartion my ipod so that i can put linux on it |
| 18:43.16 | klync | dacs: `apt-get install fdisk` ? |
| 18:43.21 | dacs | klync: can i do apt-get install fdisk |
| 18:43.22 | RickyLn1 | when navigating large directories, is it standard to use locate? |
| 18:43.24 | h3sp4wn | Debian runs on an ipod ? (Didn't know debian supported any uclinux stuff) |
| 18:43.26 | dacs | huh |
| 18:43.28 | dacs | :) |
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| 18:44.16 | klync | RickyLn1: use "find" .... locate searches its own db, which is often updated by a cron job, and is very limited |
| 18:44.19 | dacs | klync: i don't think that will work \ |
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| 18:46.06 | dacs | i think that fdisk is now known as util-linux |
| 18:46.13 | dacs | am i right or no |
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| 18:46.22 | klync | dacs: ya.... just found that using dpkg-query -S `which fdisk` |
| 18:47.19 | mbroeker | dacs, i repaired an ipod some month ago and the damn thing needed the new firmware. |
| 18:47.44 | h3sp4wn | klync: slocate is not limited (and you can still use the stuff from it with xargs) |
| 18:47.46 | mbroeker | dacs, do you have an alternative firmware image? |
| 18:48.11 | klync | h3sp4wn: hmm... perhaps i need to sharpen my chops with that tool then.... i'd just use find |
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| 18:49.24 | h3sp4wn | klync: possibly I would also but if you really cannot remember where something is slocate is loads faster |
| 18:50.21 | klync | h3sp4wn: oh, if the power is there, i agree... i know the downside to running `find` on a massive filesystem :/ |
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| 18:51.19 | ale777 | i have a running process, how to get its stdout print /dev/null? |
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| 18:52.14 | klync | ale777: if it was spawned within a bash shell (not sure about others), you can do ctrl-z and then fg >/dev/null` |
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| 18:52.40 | DaSkreech | Hello |
| 18:52.51 | DaSkreech | can I use an ISO with apt-cdrom add ? |
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| 18:53.14 | Agiofws | stew, yr here ? |
| 18:53.23 | zinx | DaSkreech: you can if you mount it |
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| 18:53.41 | DaSkreech | I did but running apt-cdrom just seems to unmount i |
| 18:53.42 | DaSkreech | t |
| 18:53.55 | zinx | oh, guess not then :X |
| 18:54.13 | DaSkreech | Ah! |
| 18:54.21 | DaSkreech | Might need fstab love |
| 18:54.27 | Agiofws | i tried to boot up with ubuntus generic kernel which has the touchpad working but it won't boot at all.. you think its the initrd thats to blame for that ? |
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| 18:54.47 | dacs | mbroeker: pm me |
| 18:56.26 | mbroeker | dacs, i have done it... |
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| 18:57.24 | ale777 | klync: thank you. i did fg %1 > /dev/null 2>&1, it starts again but still prints stuff to stdout. why/ |
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| 18:57.57 | Tramp | klync: I'd also be surprised if that works. |
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| 18:59.38 | ale777 | klync: i think the jobs program only reads fg %1 but not the stuff after |
| 19:00.42 | ale777 | klync: so am i forced to use screen or would there be a solution. it's especially usefull in interactive programs, it at some point we don't want to see the output and continue working. |
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| 19:03.44 | DarkBahamut | hello everyone |
| 19:03.56 | Tramp | ale777: To my best knowledge this cannot be done. Would be surprised, to hear a solution. After spawning, the process has the tty/pts open as fd for stdout. This cannot be changed from outside the process. |
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| 19:05.02 | catlee | Hello |
| 19:05.11 | catlee | I have a machine that has a mix of lenny / sid packages right now |
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| 19:05.26 | catlee | How can I force everything to be from lenny (i.e. downgrade all the sid packages)? |
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| 19:06.30 | ale777 | Tramp: thank you :) I also tried to put program < 'my cmds in a file' > /dev/null & but it's giving me an error when the program requests for a password. |
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| 19:07.57 | rav2 | anyone: when I run aptitude safe-update I get a list of roughly 200 packages that are said "not upgraded". What does this mean? |
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| 19:09.32 | DawnLight | rav2: use aptitude from within it's interface. read the documentation. inside aptitude press F10 and go to help to get started |
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| 19:10.22 | Tramp | ale777: yeah, a program may e.g. check if stdin isatty and bark out if not. This behaviou may (or may not) be configurable. |
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| 19:16.07 | TrueDD | Hi all |
| 19:16.26 | snikker | i'm recompiling the kernel, but i've got this error: "ar: lib/lib.a: No such file or directory". how can i fix this? |
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| 19:17.34 | webczat | hello |
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| 19:22.51 | kanzure | stew: I would really prefer not to have to reinstall Debian all over again. How do I do a manual downgrade? |
| 19:23.12 | DawnLight | !downgrade |
| 19:23.12 | dpkg | methinks downgrade is not possible with apt-get currently. No future support is anticipated. Some programs change the binary format of their files in a way that cannot be rolled back later, and package maintainer scripts provide ways to upgrade to new config file formats but not ways to downgrade. You can always try to downgrade a package using dpkg -i <olderversion.deb>. |
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| 19:25.51 | kanzure | How would I obtain a deb file of an older version of a package ? |
| 19:26.08 | kanzure | where would I go to get the exact deb files anyway ? |
| 19:26.32 | stdan | hi, i have a problem with the compilation of a 2.6 kernel. Can anyone help me pls? i get the error: yaird error: Could not read output for /sbin/modprobe -v -n --show-depends --set-version 2.6.20.21-default evdev (fatal). Thanks! |
| 19:28.22 | train` | stdan, I think that you shouldn't use yaird at all |
| 19:28.27 | train` | use initramfs-tools |
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| 19:29.45 | tralala | kanzure, /msg dpkg s.d.n. |
| 19:29.46 | catlee | You can configure your preferences |
| 19:29.54 | catlee | to downgrade to an older dist |
| 19:30.21 | stew | kanzure: /msg dpkg partial downgrade |
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| 19:31.22 | kanzure | stew: so dpkg is telling me to "select the right version" |
| 19:31.36 | stew | kanzure: show us the actual command you typed and the actual output, use a pastebin: /msg dpkg pastebin |
| 19:31.39 | kanzure | How would I know which version is correct for each and every package? Or would I only do this for some of the packages? |
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| 19:31.45 | kanzure | stew: what actual command ? |
| 19:31.58 | kanzure | stew: I mean, what are you talking about? I was just wondering about downgrading, see. |
| 19:32.05 | stew | kanzure: what dpkg command gave you that, and what exactly did it say? |
| 19:32.07 | stdan | train`, tx a lot...i'll try that.. |
| 19:32.27 | stew | kanzure: i was trying to answer your quesiton that you asked me, "How do I do a manual downgrade?" |
| 19:32.28 | kanzure | stew: I meant 'dpkg' on IRC |
| 19:32.33 | kanzure | stew: correct |
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| 19:32.55 | cbr | Unable to find a Java Runtime. Please download and install a Java Runtime from |
| 19:32.55 | cbr | http://www.borland.com/jbuilder/resources/javaruntime.html |
| 19:33.01 | cbr | but i have java6 installed.. |
| 19:33.26 | train` | stdan, make sure you purge yaird, and reinstall your kernel package, so a new initrd image can be built |
| 19:33.34 | stew | kanzure: if you only have etch sources available, it likely would always be the oldest version. you can verify by runing "apt-cache policy packagename" and seeing which version comes from etch/stable or check http://packages.debian.org/packagename |
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| 19:34.20 | kanzure | okay |
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| 19:34.50 | kanzure | stew: Why can't I just completely upgrade to testing instead |
| 19:34.56 | kanzure | which will just require me to change sources.list |
| 19:35.11 | stew | kanzure: you can. but you said that stability was of the utmost importance |
| 19:35.38 | stew | kanzure: testing isn't stable. it changes daily |
| 19:35.38 | kanzure | stew: What stability problems might I encounter in 'testing' ? |
| 19:35.42 | kanzure | stew: right |
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| 19:35.49 | kanzure | but if I'm careful about the packages that I download, I'm good, yes? |
| 19:37.46 | HockeyInJune | Where would I find a website or guide that would tell me things like: Use dselect to update your sources list. Because Debian is starting to get on my nerves, and everything is much more obfusicated than it should be. |
| 19:38.03 | stew | HockeyInJune: /msg dpkg apt-howto |
| 19:38.38 | tralala | HockeyInJune, dselect doesn't update your sources list. |
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| 19:39.39 | HockeyInJune | dselect Access fixed my packages problem, because I did not have all the sources in my sources file |
| 19:39.55 | HockeyInJune | thnx stew |
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| 19:42.13 | justus | hey.. can someone please tell me what happened to ndiswrapper-modules in etch? has it been renamed? |
| 19:42.27 | acidchild | apt-cache search? |
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| 19:48.43 | mena | hayyy alguien que hable español |
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| 19:58.27 | lewis2 | what is that raidtools package called again? |
| 19:58.57 | Zippy2 | raidtools? |
| 19:58.59 | Zippy2 | raid-tools? |
| 19:59.08 | zinx | which tool(s)? |
| 19:59.29 | lewis2 | to create a raid array |
| 19:59.40 | zinx | a software raid array? mdadm will do it |
| 20:00.39 | lewis2 | thans |
| 20:02.01 | s4xxon | sorry for doing such a foolish question, i knew about hardware raid, but is there also a method to do that through software ? |
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| 20:03.31 | zinx | s4xxon: there are programs for managing hardware raid arrays |
| 20:03.58 | s4xxon | oh i understood it wrong. i thought having 2 hds on a normal ide channel can be used as raid through a software |
| 20:04.11 | zinx | s4xxon: that is also posible. |
| 20:04.15 | zinx | erh, possible |
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| 20:04.52 | s4xxon | never read about that |
| 20:04.57 | s4xxon | i guess i will check that |
| 20:05.30 | s4xxon | question is, could this be done with 1 partition of one disk, and 1 partition of the other disk ? i mean those 2 partitions to be used as a raid 0 ? |
| 20:06.22 | train` | s4xxon, of course, yes |
| 20:06.57 | s4xxon | then i'll defenetely search for that to use it for my linux partition, to use both hdds |
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| 20:07.24 | s4xxon | i suppose in this case again the partitions will have to be exactly the size , right ? |
| 20:07.43 | ma3x | how do i search in google for words in url? |
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| 20:11.29 | DDave | ma3x: isn't it inurl: ? |
| 20:12.05 | ma3x | DDave, like if for myspace it would be inurl:my+space? |
| 20:12.14 | DDave | think so |
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| 20:12.37 | DDave | just google about that command |
| 20:12.40 | DDave | to check the syntax |
| 20:12.40 | DDave | :) |
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| 20:13.23 | aarkerio | Hi! I am just installed Lenny one hour ago buth when I type "startx" I get: |
| 20:13.29 | aarkerio | X: warning; process set to priority -1 instead of requested priority xinit |
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| 20:13.42 | ma3x | inurl:my space com |
| 20:13.53 | ma3x | why doesnt it show myspace.com? |
| 20:14.16 | DDave | dude.. |
| 20:14.19 | ma3x | ? |
| 20:14.20 | DDave | inurl:myspace |
| 20:14.25 | DDave | shows only myspace |
| 20:14.32 | DDave | in the urls |
| 20:14.33 | ma3x | what about if there are more words? |
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| 20:14.55 | DDave | "inurl:word blah" |
| 20:14.56 | DDave | I think |
| 20:14.59 | ma3x | like if it's junkymonkeyspider.com ? |
| 20:15.17 | DDave | ? |
| 20:15.34 | ma3x | I mean it gives that in url |
| 20:15.41 | ma3x | but i want to search in the domain name? |
| 20:15.43 | ma3x | you understand? |
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| 20:15.53 | DDave | yeah |
| 20:15.56 | DDave | you can search a domain |
| 20:16.07 | tralala | aarkerio, there's no such problem with etch - install it instead |
| 20:16.21 | DDave | inurl:yourdomain.com |
| 20:16.24 | DDave | will show it in the result |
| 20:16.46 | tralala | inurl is not for site search, site: is |
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| 20:17.37 | Xanthor[aw] | In sid : apt-get install locales |
| 20:17.37 | Xanthor[aw] | The following packages have unmet dependencies: |
| 20:17.37 | Xanthor[aw] | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:17.37 | Xanthor[aw] | E: Broken packages |
| 20:17.37 | Xanthor[aw] | I suppose it's a known problem, isn't it ? It's there for a long time... |
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| 20:18.16 | rto | Xanthor[aw]: We talked about that last night here on the channel: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=449423 |
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| 20:18.26 | Xanthor[aw] | thanks rto |
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| 20:21.34 | DaBonBon | are there instructions somewhere, on how to install debian from pen drive ? |
| 20:21.42 | DaBonBon | aka usb stick or so |
| 20:21.57 | tralala | I think there are on the wiki |
| 20:22.30 | stew | DaBonBon: /msg dpkg usb install |
| 20:22.40 | DaBonBon | stew: ah, i was trying usb stick install :) |
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| 20:29.01 | ma3x | when I search inurl:word it lists the urls that contain blahblah.com/something/word.htm for example |
| 20:29.10 | ma3x | I want the word to be in word.com/blah |
| 20:29.17 | ma3x | in the domain name not after the / |
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| 20:35.00 | zicho | if a system is readable only, how can i make it writeable? |
| 20:35.10 | zicho | the system im talking about is an external HDD |
| 20:35.18 | DaBonBon | zicho: sudo mount /foo -o remount,rw |
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| 20:35.35 | streuner | zicho: what FS? |
| 20:35.56 | zicho | Dabonbon: Didnt work |
| 20:36.02 | zicho | streuner: Dont know, its not mine. |
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| 20:36.04 | RichiH | anyone know the irc nicks of Romain Beauxis and/or Flavio Stanchina? |
| 20:36.07 | Nyle | man cdburning takes a long time |
| 20:36.19 | DaBonBon | zicho: can you paste the output of dmesg ? |
| 20:36.20 | streuner | RichiH: DD? |
| 20:36.26 | RichiH | streuner: aye |
| 20:36.36 | streuner | RichiH: people.debian.org |
| 20:36.39 | RichiH | i need to pester them about fglrx |
| 20:36.53 | Nyle | them? |
| 20:37.00 | Nyle | about what? |
| 20:37.01 | RichiH | and yah, yah, i know, but this box came with an ati card :/ |
| 20:37.07 | zicho | DaBonBon: mount /dev/sda1 -o remount,rw |
| 20:37.07 | zicho | mount: block device /dev/sda1 is write-protected, mounting read-only |
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| 20:37.36 | RichiH | Nyle: upstream has a new release. i want to know when they will package it or if there is a clean way to install with the official intaller, for now |
| 20:37.46 | DaBonBon | zicho: then it is write protected from the hardware it seems, not software |
| 20:37.54 | streuner | RichiH: Stanchina isnt a DD |
| 20:37.57 | RichiH | my card is acting so insanely crappy, a new driver is the only thing that could save me |
| 20:37.58 | DaBonBon | zicho: also, i hope you did that command as root ? |
| 20:38.02 | Nyle | RichiH: there is always a clean way to install using ati binary drivers from ati.amd.com |
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| 20:38.24 | Nyle | RichiH: get the driver package, run it with --buildpkg Debian/etch or Debina/lenny or whatever |
| 20:38.28 | zicho | DaBonBon: Of course. |
| 20:38.40 | streuner | RichiH: Beauxis provides only his email-address |
| 20:38.42 | Nyle | RichiH: install the resulting source packages, and then use module assistant to build the fglrx modue |
| 20:38.52 | DaBonBon | zicho: then i think the disk is write protected from the hardware, not software |
| 20:39.10 | RichiH | Nyle: i will try that, thanks |
| 20:39.13 | Nyle | RichiH: basically you generate the fglrx kernel source package from the binary drive rpackage, and build it with m-a |
| 20:39.44 | Nyle | i now have to go to work |
| 20:39.52 | streuner | have fun |
| 20:40.06 | RichiH | streuner: damn them! they shall burn in a burger house!or something |
| 20:40.22 | RichiH | Nyle: aye, k |
| 20:40.30 | RichiH | let's hope they have a sid build target :) |
| 20:40.31 | streuner | RichiH: no, its all caused by ATI |
| 20:40.35 | tralala | and if you don't want their stupid QT control panel you have to patch up the source a wee bit |
| 20:40.41 | zicho | DaBonBon: Well that sucks... perhaps it only works with windows =( |
| 20:40.55 | DaBonBon | zicho: can you please paste hte output of dmesg somewhere ? |
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| 20:41.03 | zicho | I did earlier |
| 20:41.05 | RichiH | tralala: eww gui config tools |
| 20:41.10 | zicho | or wait, no i didnt |
| 20:41.13 | zicho | whats dmesg? |
| 20:41.13 | DaBonBon | zicho: you didn't, not dmesg |
| 20:41.14 | RichiH | streuner: i know.. good thing amd bought them |
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| 20:41.17 | DaBonBon | zicho: a command .. |
| 20:41.20 | tralala | RichiH, indeed |
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| 20:41.39 | zicho | NTFS-fs error (device sda1): load_system_files(): $LogFile is not clean. Mounting read-only. Mount in Windows. |
| 20:41.43 | tralala | amd hasn't done much more that wishful talking so far |
| 20:41.51 | DaBonBon | zicho: self explanatory ? :) |
| 20:42.02 | DaBonBon | zicho: it's not windows-only .. it's a ntfs file system error |
| 20:42.05 | zicho | Yes... =/ |
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| 20:42.21 | zicho | Is there anyway to fix it, you think? |
| 20:42.40 | streuner | RichiH: new laptop? |
| 20:42.54 | RichiH | streuner: stationary box |
| 20:42.56 | zicho | Gotta go now, thx anyway Dabonbon |
| 20:42.58 | DaBonBon | no, you need to mount it in windows and then once it's cleanly closed, you can mount it read-write in linux |
| 20:43.22 | RichiH | streuner: it had a price you could not beat and i, wrongly, assumed ati would work |
| 20:43.31 | streuner | RichiH: i usually tend to say, if the hardware doesnt fit to Debian just buy other |
| 20:43.48 | RichiH | streuner: same here |
| 20:44.01 | RichiH | streuner: i simply wanted the cheapest box i could get, though |
| 20:44.11 | DaBonBon | is there some page which lists debians python 2.5 migration plan ? |
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| 20:44.14 | RichiH | now i pay in lost time :) |
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| 20:44.37 | RichiH | DaBonBon: p 2.5 is in sid |
| 20:44.44 | RichiH | you can install it alongside 2.4 |
| 20:44.46 | snikker | i'm recompiling the kernel, but i've got this error: "ar: lib/lib.a: No such file or directory". how can i fix this? |
| 20:45.04 | streuner | RichiH: cheap hardware is often very well supported, ATI was well supported, IIRC |
| 20:45.07 | DaBonBon | RichiH: http://packages.debian.org/python still shows default to be 2.4 |
| 20:45.13 | olspookishmagus_ | /ms gnickserv identify ftouskoulikomyrmhgotrypa |
| 20:45.21 | DaBonBon | RichiH: ah yes, that's what i meant to ask .. migrating default python to 2.5 |
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| 20:46.32 | RichiH | DaBonBon: no idea, sorry |
| 20:46.42 | RichiH | streuner: yah, it is an old chip, too |
| 20:46.49 | streuner | olspookishmagus_: thanks for your giving your password :- |
| 20:46.53 | RichiH | still, playing sauerbraten locks to box in no time |
| 20:46.58 | DaBonBon | RichiH: ah ok |
| 20:47.18 | RichiH | olspookishmagus_: please change your password |
| 20:47.43 | RichiH | otoh, your nick is not registered |
| 20:48.08 | streuner | olspookishmagus_: /msg nickserv help |
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| 20:52.50 | streuner | RichiH: what hardware is that exactly? |
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| 20:53.32 | cTATUK | Is there a way to setup a system-wide proxy so all outbound connections are tunneled through the proxy instead of _just_ the browser settings? |
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| 20:55.07 | cTATUK | oh i see it |
| 20:55.18 | cTATUK | desktop->preferences->network proxy cool |
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| 20:57.36 | RichiH | streuner: a hd 2400 |
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| 20:58.36 | NemesisD | hi, im trying to set up an internet connection on a debian live install running off of a usb drive, and because i have no internet I keep having to boot back to my other OS and download individual .deb files so i can compile the driver |
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| 20:58.51 | NemesisD | but ive hit some kind of strange wall where, as far as I can tell, the dependencies are completely unsatisfiable |
| 20:59.00 | dserban | where's strace? |
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| 21:00.04 | DarkBahamut | hey, does anyone know how to fix debians boot menu after installing windows vista? |
| 21:00.06 | NemesisD | g++ 4:4.1.1 requires g++-4.1, g++-4.1 requires libstdc++6-4.1-dev, and libstdc++6-4.1-dev requires g++-4.1, i can't win |
| 21:00.20 | DaBonBon | is there a guide that teaches hwo to make debian packages ? |
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| 21:00.45 | tralala | !nmg |
| 21:00.45 | dpkg | nmg is probably Debian New Maintainers' Guide, Debian Policy Manual and Debian Developer's Reference are the documents you need to read, in that order, to make packages for the Debian project. http://www.debian.org/devel/ |
| 21:00.53 | DaBonBon | tralala: thanks ! |
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| 21:01.01 | Eulex | NemesisD, install both at the same time. |
| 21:01.01 | tralala | sure |
| 21:01.03 | mbroeker | DarkBahamut, boot from any linux live cd and install grub again. |
| 21:01.04 | Eulex | *all |
| 21:01.18 | NemesisD | Eulex, how do i do that with dpkg? |
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| 21:01.26 | NemesisD | i thought it only took 1 arg |
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| 21:01.28 | DaBonBon | DarkBahamut: reboot using some livecd, chroot into your debian, do "sudo update-grub; sudo grub-install /deb/foo" |
| 21:01.40 | DarkBahamut | mbroeker: k will try.. brb |
| 21:01.50 | Eulex | NemesisD, oh, with dpkg? I think you'll have to ignore dependencies then for the first one or two of the packages. |
| 21:01.51 | DarkBahamut | mbroeker: thanks |
| 21:02.09 | streuner | RichiH: sucks, if you dont care about closed source, nvidia. Intel is good supported, but the hardware isnt that good |
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| 21:02.12 | NemesisD | Eulex, well i've just been using dpkg, is there another app i can try that would be better for this? |
| 21:02.32 | Eulex | NemesisD, apt-get it if you can. |
| 21:02.32 | NemesisD | ignoring dependencies scares me :P |
| 21:02.55 | NemesisD | Eulex, well i have no internet connection, this is all in an effort to compile my wireless drivers |
| 21:03.07 | Eulex | !apt-zip |
| 21:03.07 | dpkg | [apt-zip] Update a non-networked computer using apt and removable media, or just apt-get install apt-zip and read the docs in /usr/share/doc/apt-zip |
| 21:03.19 | NemesisD | niice |
| 21:03.27 | DaBonBon | wow, that's the first time i heard of apt-zip |
| 21:04.05 | |AmEn| | what i need to check to fix this error? "configure: error: Your Installation isn't able to com'pile simple C++ programs. debian" |
| 21:04.52 | DaBonBon | |AmEn|: sudo aptitude install build-essential |
| 21:04.52 | cusco | since ubuntu, its sudo this sudo that |
| 21:04.52 | cusco | sudo is not a requirement |
| 21:04.52 | NemesisD | Eulex, so could i get the debian packages from a computer with ubuntu with apt-zip, or will it try to get a bunch of ubuntu packages |
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| 21:05.12 | DaBonBon | cusco: he'll require root anyway .. so it's either sudo or su -c "...." or saying do this as root : .. |
| 21:05.22 | DaBonBon | cusco: of all, sudo is the easiest to type, so that is what i prefer |
| 21:05.33 | cusco | DaBonBon: my debian instalation did not install sudo |
| 21:05.51 | Eulex | NemesisD, I haven't used apt-zip, but I think you'll need a box with equal sources.list. you could perhaps consider installing debian in a chroot on your ubuntu installation. |
| 21:05.56 | cusco | so why not before each line "su -c apt-get install sudo" |
| 21:06.01 | cusco | and then sudo blarhg |
| 21:06.09 | cusco | that will be more problmeatic |
| 21:06.21 | DaBonBon | cusco: it's su -c "apt-get foo" and not "su -c apt-get foo" ;) |
| 21:06.50 | NemesisD | Eulex, yeesh, now i'm starting to consider going the other route, whick package would i ignore dependencies on to install these packages that rely on eachother? |
| 21:06.58 | cusco | DaBonBon: I was quoting what you should say like "hello" the quotes are not required neither |
| 21:07.24 | DaBonBon | cusco: oh sorry, my bad .. i thought that the quotes were mandatory, after su -c .. |
| 21:07.48 | Eulex | NemesisD, probably just one. |
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| 21:08.23 | NemesisD | Eulex, doesn't matter which one? |
| 21:08.35 | RichiH | streuner: yah, 3d is something where floss needs to get better, still :/ |
| 21:08.38 | maxdoubt | is it possible to use proprietary drivers (say from OS X, since it uses cups) on a linux cups server? |
| 21:08.39 | Eulex | NemesisD, I don't think so, if the dependencies are as you described. |
| 21:08.53 | NemesisD | ok brb im going to try it then, thanks |
| 21:09.01 | Eulex | NemesisD, fyi, what apt-get would do in the same situation is to make dpkg ignore dependencies. |
| 21:09.12 | streuner | RichiH: nv just works for me |
| 21:09.19 | maxdoubt | i've got a canon mp830, but the gutenprint drivers aren't exactly photo-quality |
| 21:09.24 | maxdoubt | less than 600 dpi |
| 21:09.27 | streuner | RichiH: no 3D, but i dont need it |
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| 21:09.46 | Eulex | maxdoubt, os x apps and libs do not run/load on linux. |
| 21:09.53 | RichiH | streuner: the ati driver does not support mine :/ |
| 21:10.04 | RichiH | and the vesa has color artefacts |
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| 21:10.19 | RichiH | so.. bleh.. |
| 21:10.45 | Eulex | RichiH, checked out radeonhd? |
| 21:11.07 | mikefoo | If I was to port forward all localhost 3306 on a mysql server to another mysql server, would that cause any problems? |
| 21:11.25 | capiira | hi anyone know if there is a way to login and unlock cryptsetup-luks over ssh on a server? |
| 21:11.31 | maxdoubt | Eulex, so even extracting the ppd file from the OSX driver wouldn't work? |
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| 21:12.03 | DaBonBon | maxdoubt: i think you should try .. |
| 21:12.30 | moope1 | has anyone had any experience setting up an implementation of nfs 4.1 pnfs thingy? |
| 21:12.31 | Eulex | maxdoubt, I believe that that the pdd would work, but that's not the full driver... but you could try. |
| 21:12.38 | Eulex | (afaik) |
| 21:12.52 | RichiH | Eulex: no? |
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| 21:13.04 | RichiH | Eulex: is that the new libre driver? |
| 21:13.28 | Eulex | RichiH, http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=921&num=1 |
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| 21:13.41 | tralala | RichiH, do you have an old model with a dropped support? |
| 21:13.54 | Eulex | RichiH, it's a driver developed by suse |
| 21:14.03 | Eulex | tralala, no, he has a new one, a hd 2400 |
| 21:14.28 | tralala | and what happend with ati's binary driver? |
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| 21:15.03 | Eulex | I do think the latest fglrx supports his card, too |
| 21:15.24 | streuner | Eulex: facts! |
| 21:15.45 | Eulex | streuner, I'm googling to verify. |
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| 21:16.21 | tralala | I'm asking because he was on his way to install fglrx |
| 21:16.53 | Eulex | RichiH & tralala, fglrx 8.41 and later supports it |
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| 21:17.25 | RichiH | Eulex: aye, 8.42 works |
| 21:17.34 | RichiH | it is just slow and sucky ;) |
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| 21:17.42 | Eulex | indeed. |
| 21:17.49 | tralala | all their drivers are sucky |
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| 21:18.03 | Eulex | thus I'm getting an nvidia in my new laptop |
| 21:18.04 | moope1 | !nfs |
| 21:18.04 | dpkg | well, nfs is Sun's Network Filesystem, a reasonably simple file transfer protocol that is quite hard to secure. See the NFS-HOWTO for setup, or No Files Served. Network FaILurE System. Never Fscking Stable. No Fucking Security. Nightmare File System, or ask me about <ssh tunneled nfs>. |
| 21:18.16 | Antiinit | i have recently been forced to use Centos to run a commercial binary. I can confirm that compared to Debian it is rubish |
| 21:18.19 | revil | hi there!! I was just curious considering the whereabouts of pine in the repository. Is there some concern about it? I don't deem to find it. |
| 21:18.25 | HockeyInJune | Can I add another tty? Like tty7? |
| 21:18.30 | streuner | oh, fuck, _WE_ need a open-source videocard! |
| 21:19.04 | tralala | My tradeoff with fglrx between plaing torcs with a nice fps and useing googleearth with hw acceleration |
| 21:19.11 | revil | HockeyInJune, you can use openvt to run a program on it, and it will be coined for its use |
| 21:19.13 | tralala | was between |
| 21:19.20 | Eulex | HockeyInJune, X runs by default on tty7... but check out /etc/inittab |
| 21:19.34 | revil | oh, you meant X.. |
| 21:19.52 | tralala | streuner, there's a project to create an open gpu. Doesn't look very promising though. |
| 21:20.14 | streuner | tralala: yeah, thats what iam thinking about... |
| 21:20.36 | HockeyInJune | I just want an extra terminal :/ |
| 21:20.40 | revil | streuner, open from what point of view? |
| 21:20.44 | tralala | I have my hopes in Intel. |
| 21:20.50 | Eulex | HockeyInJune, check out screen |
| 21:20.51 | streuner | revil: open source |
| 21:20.51 | revil | hockenberry, to run X on it? |
| 21:21.05 | tralala | revil, design and drivers |
| 21:21.06 | revil | streuner, you mean the driver? |
| 21:21.10 | revil | oh.. I see. |
| 21:21.10 | streuner | sure |
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| 21:21.31 | HockeyInJune | /etc/inittab is helping, thnx a lot |
| 21:22.05 | DarkBahamut | mbroeker: all i have is Ubuntu live cd, how do i install just grub? |
| 21:22.13 | tralala | of course it has to have compatitive price and performance |
| 21:22.16 | Eulex | HockeyInJune, apt-cache show screen |
| 21:22.33 | Eulex | DarkBahamut, run grub-install on the right device. |
| 21:22.38 | HockeyInJune | What does screen do? |
| 21:22.52 | streuner | !screen |
| 21:22.52 | dpkg | well, screen is allows you to have n terminals and easily switch between them, add keybindings, has its own scrollback and copy/paste and lets you resume all your sessions if your terminal dies or you get disconnected or http://www.michael-prokop.at/screen/ or at ftp://ftp.gnu.org/pub/gnu/screen or aptitude install screen |
| 21:22.59 | DarkBahamut | Eulex: there is no grub install |
| 21:23.15 | HockeyInJune | nice |
| 21:23.28 | Eulex | DarkBahamut, you might have to be root (probably run it with sudo on ubuntu) to be able to run it. |
| 21:23.35 | revil | what about terminal mail reading? |
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| 21:23.42 | revil | pine or ? |
| 21:23.46 | Eulex | revil, mutt? |
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| 21:25.58 | HockeyInJune | Another question: I installed KDE, how do I start it? |
| 21:25.59 | revil | mutt seems nice!! |
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| 21:26.09 | revil | :) thanx Eulex |
| 21:26.16 | dutchfish | How do i enable ssl support on MySQL 5 server; i saw the deb packahe is build with yaSSL support & without OpenSSL support, as far as i understand those are mutual exclusive, i am trying to build --with open-ssl, how do i use the build in yaSSL? |
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| 21:27.12 | streuner | HockeyInJune: put "startkde" into xsession |
| 21:27.27 | streuner | HockeyInJune: use "startx" (/msg dpkg xsession) |
| 21:27.45 | mbroeker | DarkBahamut, open a shell or login normally and enter as root: grub |
| 21:27.57 | HockeyInJune | ah, thnx |
| 21:28.46 | HockeyInJune | Forgot to install X :/ |
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| 21:29.19 | mbroeker | DarkBahamut, after a few seconds a shell will appear and you can enter: root(hd0,0) setup(hd0); this works, if your grub files resides on the first partition of the first harddrive. |
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| 21:36.11 | HockeyInJune | KDE 3.5 is the newest stable version? |
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| 21:36.31 | streuner | !info konqueror etch |
| 21:36.36 | dpkg | konqueror: (KDE's advanced file manager, web browser and document viewer), section web, is optional. Version: 4:3.5.5a.dfsg.1-6 (etch), Packaged size: 1968 kB, Installed size: 5296 kB |
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| 21:36.45 | petawolf83 | how to enable my sounddevice? |
| 21:36.50 | streuner | HockeyInJune: 3.5.5 yes |
| 21:37.14 | mbroeker | petawolf83, open a shell, enter alsamixer and adjust your volume settings |
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| 21:37.34 | HockeyInJune | thnx |
| 21:37.51 | mbroeker | petawolf83, no soundcard at all? try alsaconf as root |
| 21:37.55 | petawolf83 | alsamixer is not installed |
| 21:38.24 | streuner | HockeyInJune: http://wiki.debian.org/DebianKDE |
| 21:38.37 | petawolf83 | nothing installed beginning with als* |
| 21:38.42 | mbroeker | petawolf83, apt-get install alsa-utils |
| 21:39.17 | streuner | HockeyInJune: How long do you use Debian? |
| 21:39.50 | HockeyInJune | 4 days, give or take a few hours |
| 21:40.22 | streuner | nice, use etch/stable first and get some experience :-) |
| 21:40.24 | HockeyInJune | I have been using other Distros, but I wanted to try out Debian |
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| 21:40.37 | HockeyInJune | lmfao |
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| 21:40.39 | streuner | !ops flooding |
| 21:40.40 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: streuner complains about: flooding |
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| 21:40.48 | mbroeker | thats a good bootscript |
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| 21:41.10 | shafire | hi |
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| 21:41.52 | streuner | uh, wow, how many ops are around |
| 21:41.52 | stew | RichiH: mbroeker was legit |
| 21:42.03 | HockeyInJune | I think I am using etch stable |
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| 21:42.21 | RichiH | stew: wasn't me |
| 21:42.22 | HockeyInJune | The netinst version |
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| 21:42.33 | streuner | HockeyInJune: yes, use it a while and get some experience, later upgrade |
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| 21:43.24 | mbroeker | wow |
| 21:43.26 | lyakh | am I the only one: mount --bind a directory, then umount the original partition, then call df... |
| 21:43.27 | RichiH | mbroeker: sorry about that.. an overzealous staffer caught you |
| 21:43.28 | HockeyInJune | :/ Upgrade to what? |
| 21:44.09 | streuner | HockeyInJune: to other branch of Debian (unstable, testing) |
| 21:44.29 | lyakh | on sarge it was different, and I liked it better, don't know which one is correct? |
| 21:44.39 | HockeyInJune | ah. This will eventually become my secure server, I think I will keep it stable |
| 21:44.52 | mbroeker | RichiH, i was interested in the technology. normaly, 3 lines of spam and you get kicked. that do i mean with "a good script". |
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| 21:45.28 | RichiH | mbroeker: they prolly were so fast that debhelper crapped itself ;) |
| 21:45.30 | RichiH | dunno |
| 21:45.33 | streuner | mbroeker: ok, thats debhelper (eggdrop) |
| 21:46.06 | streuner | it needs some more code, though |
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| 21:47.05 | richih_unid | let me just test if debhelper is broken |
| 21:47.09 | richih_unid | sorry, no other way :/ |
| 21:47.14 | richih_unid | spam |
| 21:47.15 | richih_unid | and ham |
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| 21:47.31 | streuner | RichiH: it works, but not with different nicks |
| 21:47.52 | weasel | .oO( /k klines RichiH for flooding ) |
| 21:48.02 | Claudio32m | can't find the file i need to change for ftpd to listen on a different port |
| 21:48.09 | streuner | weasel: haha |
| 21:48.27 | RichiH | streuner: you mean if several nicks spam in round robin, they bypass the protection? |
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| 21:48.48 | streuner | RichiH: seems so for me on the first thought |
| 21:48.48 | RichiH | weasel: wouldn't be the first false positive, eh? ;) |
| 21:48.54 | RichiH | ouch |
| 21:49.01 | weasel | RichiH: it wouldn't be a false positive |
| 21:49.37 | lyakh | any thoughts whether df should show fill percentage of --bind mounted directories? |
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| 21:49.52 | RichiH | weasel: at least on this network, it would :) |
| 21:49.57 | streuner | weasel: Does floodserv (OFTC) has different code vs. debhelper? |
| 21:49.57 | SerajewelKS | is there a node in /proc/pid where i can reliably obtain the owner pid of a process? |
| 21:50.12 | HockeyInJune | In my experience, I find that eggdrop doesnt cut it when it comes to channel protection |
| 21:50.14 | dutchfish | How do i enable ssl support on MySQL 5 server; i saw the deb package is build with yaSSL support & without OpenSSL support, as far as i understand those are mutual exclusive, i am trying to build --with open-ssl, how do i use the build in yaSSL? |
| 21:50.14 | weasel | lyakh: I think it should not |
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| 21:50.58 | HockeyInJune | Be back later guys, thanks for all the help |
| 21:50.58 | lyakh | weasel: is it defined somewhere? |
| 21:51.04 | |DuReX| | I have a Highpoint rocketraid 2220, the highpoint drivers sucks EXTREMELY, now I installed the sata_mv drivers, but seems it can only access 1 disk (http://pastebin.com/d5ecb2429) any id how i could solve this , |
| 21:51.05 | |DuReX| | ? |
| 21:51.12 | weasel | lyakh: in the source of df probably. |
| 21:51.18 | lyakh | it looks weird |
| 21:51.26 | lyakh | I mean what is correct and what is not |
| 21:51.35 | weasel | |DuReX|: the reason the HP drivers suck so badly is because the highpoint hardware sucks so badly |
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| 21:52.08 | streuner | evil weasel :-) |
| 21:52.26 | weasel | tis true, what can I say |
| 21:52.32 | streuner | nothing :-) |
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| 21:52.49 | |DuReX| | well ye |
| 21:52.53 | |DuReX| | its prolly even true :( |
| 21:55.12 | tdobson | I'm having an intermittant problem with Xorg crashing at times while running KDE on my stable install.... I wonder if it would be possible to turn on verbose logging for my xorg or something - it's the client which crahses not the server. Anyone got any advice? |
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| 21:55.30 | streuner | some good music (good old Rock ;-) ) http://89.220.68.35:8000 |
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| 21:57.06 | streuner | tdobson: sounds you use a client to connect to a remote box, right? |
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| 21:57.24 | tdobson | nope |
| 21:57.34 | streuner | only locally? |
| 21:57.37 | tdobson | streuner: all on same machine |
| 21:57.53 | streuner | well, its all in /var/log/x.log or such then |
| 21:57.58 | tdobson | streuner: I can raise x apps over ssh etc |
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| 21:59.34 | acu | I want to make dell wireless broadcom 1490 card work in lenny - I have the .sys files from vista 32 bit - however I run amd64 can anyone tell me how to do it ? |
| 22:00.43 | tdobson | streuner: it's not there; but I have Xorg.0.log & Xorg.1.log - same thing? |
| 22:00.51 | streuner | yes |
| 22:01.00 | streuner | thats what i meant |
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| 22:01.34 | streuner | it usually logs stuff when the server isnt able to run at all |
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| 22:02.05 | streuner | you rather search for ~/.xsession-errors |
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| 22:02.21 | darkbahamut | hello everyone :D |
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| 22:03.32 | tdobson | streuner: that looks more useful; cheers |
| 22:03.34 | PumpkinPie | when the load on the server gets high I would like to restart a process |
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| 22:06.06 | osmosis | dpkg -l shows php4 with 'rc' what does that mean? |
| 22:06.06 | dpkg | No packages found matching shows php4 with 'rc' what does that mean |
| 22:06.28 | tdobson | streuner: cheers, I think that's probably the best bet for something for me to look through immediately after a crash. at the moment it is full of junk, it's a shame it isn't timestamped. anyway thanks very much! |
| 22:06.30 | streuner | its not installed |
| 22:06.55 | streuner | tdobson: hm, i didnt manage to interprete these messages too ;-) |
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| 22:07.30 | streuner | tdobson: #debian-kde should know more about |
| 22:07.33 | osmosis | how do I get php4 and php5 installed at the same time, This fails, apt-get install libapache2-mod-php4 libapache2-mod-php5 - libapache2-mod-php5: Conflicts: libapache2-mod-php4 |
| 22:07.57 | darkbahamut | anyone know how to change what the grub boot menu says or lists? |
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| 22:08.12 | minerale | how can I get grep to print a line number with the result? |
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| 22:09.19 | LightKnight | minerale: that should be an option you can find in the manpage |
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| 22:09.55 | LightKnight | minerale: grep -n <etc.> |
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| 22:12.34 | darkbahamut | o.O? |
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| 22:13.12 | icyfire0573 | How do I file a bug report for a package that has an invalid option in it's default configuration file? |
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| 22:13.39 | petawolf83 | is installing of alsa-playeross enough to get sound when i hadn`t any till then? |
| 22:14.14 | sobersabre | hi guys. what can cause ifconfig display RX errors ? |
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| 22:14.43 | sobersabre | it often shows false "nfs server down" messages |
| 22:14.50 | h3sp4wn | acu: Did you try the new b43 driver ? |
| 22:14.51 | sobersabre | and I am getting the errors in RX. |
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| 22:15.17 | h3sp4wn | acu: You would need the one from the 64 bit windows xp afaik to use ndiswrapper |
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| 22:17.04 | darkbahamut | anyone know how to edit grub boot menu? |
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| 22:17.55 | osmosis | darkbahamut: /boot/grub/menu.lst |
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| 22:18.27 | darkbahamut | osmosis: cool, thanks :D |
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| 22:19.53 | th1 | anyone here with experience in crosscompiling debian packages? |
| 22:20.24 | osmosis | how do I install libapache2-mod-php5 without having libapache2-mod-php4 removed ? |
| 22:20.34 | petawolf83 | what is better oss or alsa? |
| 22:20.37 | th1 | osmosis, you don't they can't really coexist |
| 22:20.39 | th1 | alsa |
| 22:20.43 | DeathWolf | hum, is there anything in grsec or the kernel settings that would make file erasing a veyr length process on ext3? |
| 22:20.49 | DeathWolf | (as if it was rewriting over) |
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| 22:20.59 | osmosis | th1: why not? |
| 22:21.09 | th1 | osmosis, they share some of the same apache2 bindings |
| 22:21.14 | NemesisD | hi all, i'm so close to getting wireless working on my pendrive debian but I just need a little help, i've got a device set up, the mac id detects, it can do iwlist scanning, it has my essid set but i can't ifup the device, i get siocaddrt file exists |
| 22:21.22 | th1 | you might be able to pull it off manually but not with the debian packages I dont think |
| 22:21.39 | osmosis | th1: apache2 bindings...as in, file extension? Well ill just reconfigure it to be .php5 |
| 22:21.59 | th1 | osmosis, I think they share some common names and stuff as well |
| 22:22.11 | th1 | on a higher level than just file extensions.. like object file bindings |
| 22:22.31 | osmosis | th1: object file bindings? like..apache inner workings? |
| 22:22.38 | th1 | if you really need to run php4 and php5 on the same box you probably need two separate apaches |
| 22:22.39 | th1 | yes |
| 22:22.52 | |AmEn| | hey how fix this errors?! checking for X... configure: error: Can't find X libraries. Please check your installation and add the correct paths! |
| 22:22.57 | th1 | either two separate apaches with one of them manually installed, or one in a chroot environment maybe |
| 22:23.03 | th1 | but either way its going to be complex |
| 22:23.16 | osmosis | th1: are you sure? I see guides that say to install both libapach2-mod-php4 and libapache2-mode-php5 |
| 22:23.17 | mbroeker | |AmEn|, you will need to install the dev-paks |
| 22:23.33 | th1 | osmosis, you can try instaling the second one with dpkg --force-all or whatever |
| 22:23.42 | th1 | but if your system gets screwed up don't sue me ;) |
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| 22:24.00 | |AmEn| | mbroeker: which dev-paks? i installed something, but i don't find right! |
| 22:24.13 | mbroeker | apt-get install xserver-xorg-dev |
| 22:24.16 | AldoReset | t j'ai mon /dev/fuse qui disparait à chaque reboot sur mon image xen (entch) ? |
| 22:24.26 | osmosis | th1: that option doesnt exists |
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| 22:24.49 | mbroeker | !dpkg fr |
| 22:24.55 | th1 | osmosis, only in ubuntu then ;) try the various force options |
| 22:24.56 | mbroeker | hm... |
| 22:25.14 | mbroeker | ? fr |
| 22:25.40 | Ronin | !fr |
| 22:25.40 | dpkg | Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez aller aux canaux #debian-fr sur irc.debian.org ou irc.freenode.net. French users: for help in french, please go to #debian-fr on irc.debian.org or irc.freenode.net. |
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| 22:26.20 | th1 | osmosis, it is in my etc |
| 22:26.31 | osmosis | th1: what is ? |
| 22:26.40 | th1 | osmosis --force-all |
| 22:26.53 | osmosis | th1: apt-get version ? |
| 22:26.59 | th1 | ahh not apt-get |
| 22:27.00 | th1 | dpkg |
| 22:27.06 | th1 | after you download the package file |
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| 22:27.17 | th1 | dpkg is a lower level interface to debian package installer |
| 22:27.18 | osmosis | th1: where does the package file go when downloaded ? |
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| 22:27.48 | XoX | can anyone show an example of what rsync --link-dest does? |
| 22:27.48 | NemesisD | anyone? |
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| 22:27.59 | joey[] | hello |
| 22:28.04 | osmosis | XoX: i love that feature |
| 22:28.17 | th1 | osmosis, /var/cache/apt/archives |
| 22:28.26 | th1 | but I want to really warn you before doing that |
| 22:28.27 | joey[] | where can I find sigset() manpage? in which package? I can call the function and compile the app, but I'm missing manpages |
| 22:28.45 | th1 | it can seriously break your apache / php.. of course you can reinstall it and it should be fine but no guarantees |
| 22:28.51 | XoX | osmosis: i tried playing with it , but i cant see to be able to duplicate what cp -al does |
| 22:28.55 | urv | joey[]: manpages-dev |
| 22:29.03 | th1 | manpages-dev suck |
| 22:29.06 | th1 | they are out of date |
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| 22:29.18 | th1 | especially section 2 |
| 22:29.31 | th1 | joey[], read the glibc manual |
| 22:29.42 | th1 | joey[], with info |
| 22:29.44 | joey[] | thank you, manpages-dev working |
| 22:29.53 | joey[] | th1: how come manpages are out-of-datE? |
| 22:29.56 | th1 | yes but they are not up to date |
| 22:30.00 | th1 | because glibc manual is in info |
| 22:30.08 | th1 | and the manpages are sadly outdated.. |
| 22:30.21 | th1 | the authoritative documentation is in info |
| 22:30.29 | th1 | and you will end up getting burnt if you rely on the manpages |
| 22:30.42 | joey[] | I see |
| 22:30.45 | joey[] | thank you for that |
| 22:30.49 | th1 | no problem |
| 22:31.01 | joey[] | another question, how do I list all my installed packages? |
| 22:31.09 | th1 | I wish FSF would keep a format that could generate manpages |
| 22:31.11 | streuner | joey[]: dpkg -l |
| 22:31.16 | th1 | but Stallman hates them ;) |
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| 22:32.18 | h3sp4wn | th1: info is more featureful though anyway |
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| 22:32.54 | larson999 | i'm not new to linux. just debian. since one of the things everyone says about debian is there are sooooo many packages available, must be missing something. cause about 5 of the last 10 packages i tried to install weren't in the repos i have in sources.list. i found a site that shows different people's sources.list file but not sure which i should use. and instead of etch, sid, they have testing and stable and or a combination |
| 22:32.54 | larson999 | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:32.56 | Claudio32m | how do I set my dnsdomainname? when i do it in the gui it gets erased the next time i go in, and the command line i havent tried yet |
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| 22:34.06 | NemesisD | anyone know what siocaddrt file exists indicates? |
| 22:34.07 | joey[] | I removed packages with apt-get remove and they are still displayed in dpkg -l |
| 22:36.22 | |AmEn| | mbroeker: i do apt-get install xserver-xorg-dev, but i have error still, no fixed |
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| 22:36.55 | urv | joey[]: yes but they are marked as beeing removed (the 2 flags at the begining of each line) |
| 22:37.29 | joey[] | yes, true, so that's just a list of installed/uninstalled? |
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| 22:38.10 | urv | joey[]: you could do "dpkg -l | grep ^ii" |
| 22:38.23 | joey[] | yes, thanks, I got it |
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| 22:38.26 | S4nD3r | Just a question... |
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| 22:38.54 | S4nD3r | Where I setup to automount pendrive more fast? Its so slow to automount |
| 22:39.02 | S4nD3r | sometimes, do not automount. |
| 22:39.19 | th1 | h3sp4wn, its open for negotiation |
| 22:39.25 | th1 | for quick reference man is more convenient |
| 22:39.45 | osmosis | XoX: its links to existing files...its good for snapshots. |
| 22:39.51 | osmosis | th1: what dpkg command should I use ? |
| 22:39.59 | S4nD3r | this is in gnome |
| 22:40.05 | th1 | osmosis, dpkg --force-all -i package.deb |
| 22:40.10 | RoC_MM | I have a script set as a user's login shell, the script shows some statistical data and then disconnects, I don't want the user to be able to provide any input or control+c or anyhing. The trap command doesn't trap control+c when the script is running a program (only during times the script itself is running), and I found if I do "yes | ssh user@host" that some variables in the script would get replaced with blank values. How can I |
| 22:40.11 | RoC_MM | harden this? |
| 22:40.12 | h3sp4wn | th1: I dunno I used to prefer man but after I started using emacs (for other reasons) then info is at least as good (and I know the key combinations now) |
| 22:40.12 | th1 | but don't forget: I warned you |
| 22:40.20 | petawolf83 | cle |
| 22:40.26 | h3sp4wn | !force-all |
| 22:40.26 | dpkg | You should never, ever have to use --force-all. If you are using unstable, and there are bugs in packages, you may need to use a specific --force option (ask me about <force-overwrite> or <confmiss>), but then you should use the precise --force option required. Using --force-depends and/or --force-conflicts is *ALWAYS* broken. Fix the offending packages or use equivs instead. |
| 22:40.38 | th1 | h3sp4wn, yeah I like emacs but Stallman always has to prove a point ;) |
| 22:40.45 | petawolf83 | is there a command to restart reload alsa hardware? |
| 22:40.54 | th1 | like emacs22 with that stupid splash screen you cant turn off |
| 22:40.55 | XoX | osmosis: oh i saw what i was doing wrong it works only if i do ../backup.1 |
| 22:40.56 | XoX | with .. |
| 22:40.58 | XoX | why is that |
| 22:41.09 | th1 | stallman is an idealist ;) |
| 22:41.23 | h3sp4wn | th1: I couldn't care about the political stuff |
| 22:41.28 | th1 | h3sp4wn, me too |
| 22:41.36 | osmosis | XoX: exactly |
| 22:41.36 | th1 | which is why I wish he'd keep it out of the software ;) |
| 22:41.41 | cusco | petawolf83: alsaconf |
| 22:41.49 | osmosis | XoX: because it needs files to link against to work properly |
| 22:42.02 | RoC_MM | anybody know how I can harden this shell script? |
| 22:42.03 | th1 | don't get me wrong I donated $1000 when he released gplv3 |
| 22:42.03 | cusco | petawolf83: lsmod|grep snd -- reload those modules |
| 22:42.14 | th1 | but politics and tech dont mix ;) |
| 22:42.52 | th1 | its just that when you are passionate about both you are bound to mix them up |
| 22:43.01 | osmosis | th1: so, im in /var/cache/apt/achive |
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| 22:43.06 | th1 | ok |
| 22:43.26 | th1 | try dpkg -i xxxxxphp5xxx.deb first |
| 22:43.30 | th1 | without any force options |
| 22:43.37 | th1 | and read the warnings and errors it produces |
| 22:43.43 | th1 | then paste it to a pastebin and show it here |
| 22:44.11 | osmosis | th1: "conflicting packages" |
| 22:44.17 | th1 | lok |
| 22:44.30 | th1 | then use dpkg -i --force-conflicts xxxphp5xxx.deb |
| 22:44.50 | XoX | osmosis: yes but why the two dots .. |
| 22:44.54 | osmosis | dpkg: error processing --force-conflicts (--install): |
| 22:44.54 | osmosis | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:44.54 | dpkg | That isn't an error, post the whole output to paster. |
| 22:45.01 | th1 | but you havent still told me why you wanted to have both installed |
| 22:45.01 | osmosis | XoX: uhh...that must be right path? |
| 22:45.15 | th1 | as I said apache might not start after you do this |
| 22:45.17 | th1 | I have warned you |
| 22:45.24 | osmosis | th1: because i have some code that needs php4 and some code that needs php5. |
| 22:45.35 | petawolf83 | cusco done it already twice put everything up with alsamixer but dont hear nothing just small cracks maybe |
| 22:45.35 | th1 | but are yo usure the php4 code wont run under php5? |
| 22:45.38 | urv | joey[]: if you remove a package and the package had some config files (files in /etc), than those are not removed from your system (unless you _purge_ the package). Hence that package is listed in your "dpkg -l" query |
| 22:45.38 | osmosis | th1: I think it will work. There are many reports of running them side by side. |
| 22:45.42 | th1 | ok.. |
| 22:45.53 | osmosis | th1: yah, im sure the php4 code wont run under php5. |
| 22:45.59 | th1 | well the package maintainers obviously think it won't work thats why they marked them as conflicts |
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| 22:46.20 | th1 | but feel free to try ;) if it works then submit a bug report to the maintainers to remove the conflict tag |
| 22:46.21 | h3sp4wn | osmosis: Its unlikely either of those 2 would work like that |
| 22:46.24 | cusco | petawolf83: alsaconf detected your card right and you sure you don't have "mute" selected? |
| 22:46.26 | osmosis | th1: it wont work because apache tries to use .php for both. But I can manually fix the conf file once its installed. |
| 22:46.32 | cusco | petawolf83: most times you will have it mutted |
| 22:46.38 | osmosis | h3sp4wn: what do you mean ? |
| 22:46.39 | th1 | osmosis, if that's the only conflict then its trivial to fix |
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| 22:46.50 | osmosis | th1: yup. just got to get it installed. |
| 22:46.52 | th1 | then they would just need a configure option to decide which one you want to use for .php |
| 22:46.56 | th1 | ok |
| 22:47.00 | h3sp4wn | osmosis: You could use squid and forward to the right php version listening on other ports |
| 22:47.03 | th1 | try the command then :) |
| 22:47.17 | petawolf83 | cusco where is mute selectable? |
| 22:47.18 | th1 | h3sp4wn, I suggested running separate servers already |
| 22:47.25 | osmosis | h3sp4wn: nah...its easy, just set apache handlers for .php and .php5 |
| 22:47.27 | th1 | but I think osmosis really likes pain |
| 22:47.31 | osmosis | ha |
| 22:47.33 | cusco | petawolf83: for me is in the gnome applet... let me check hold |
| 22:47.43 | cusco | I don't have alsamixerr I dunno |
| 22:48.01 | osmosis | th1: to do seperate servers, I would have to do a second apache install by hand. I prefer packages. |
| 22:48.17 | th1 | osmosis, I know.. its one of the few shortcomings of debian |
| 22:48.23 | th1 | you could do another in a chroot install though |
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| 22:48.32 | osmosis | th1: error http://dpaste.com/25726/ |
| 22:48.39 | th1 | sec. |
| 22:48.47 | h3sp4wn | You could use xen instances and squid as the frond end still |
| 22:49.06 | osmosis | th1: im running xen, so I could just do a whole other slice, but...its just a conf setting. so, a whole slice would be a waste. |
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| 22:49.10 | th1 | osmosis, you need --force-conflicts before the package name |
| 22:49.13 | th1 | and before -i |
| 22:49.16 | petawolf83 | cusco yeah alsaconf found 2 cards and i installed the first one who sounds more like my system do i have to modify /etc/modprobe.sound? |
| 22:49.29 | osmosis | th1: hmm...maybe i will do a second slice. |
| 22:49.29 | psyche__ | does anyone have any idea how i can start avast server antivirus? |
| 22:49.40 | th1 | osmosis, try this first |
| 22:49.44 | psyche__ | its trying to start it for suse |
| 22:49.47 | th1 | if it goes wrong you can always remove the package |
| 22:49.56 | osmosis | th1: yah, thanks. okay, so what next. |
| 22:50.01 | th1 | and then go and write a howto on some wiki so others can learn from this ;) |
| 22:50.07 | osmosis | yah, np. |
| 22:50.12 | th1 | osmosis, dpkg --force-conflicts -i xxxxx |
| 22:50.33 | th1 | instead of -i xxxx --force-conflicts |
| 22:50.34 | osmosis | th1: that worked |
| 22:50.37 | th1 | ok |
| 22:50.40 | th1 | then both are installed now |
| 22:50.46 | th1 | question is; will it work :) |
| 22:50.59 | cusco | petawolf83: no, just use alsa... I forgot the name of the tool alsactl or something ... there is a option to store values |
| 22:51.09 | osmosis | th1: tested php4 site, still working. |
| 22:51.13 | th1 | good |
| 22:51.17 | th1 | did it restart apache? |
| 22:51.40 | osmosis | th1: uhh..had to a2enmod php5 |
| 22:51.45 | th1 | ok |
| 22:51.47 | osmosis | th1: now its broke. :/ |
| 22:52.00 | th1 | thought it might be |
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| 22:52.06 | osmosis | th1: apache is just spitting out php files as downloads. |
| 22:52.11 | th1 | ok |
| 22:52.18 | th1 | check the apache logs |
| 22:52.38 | th1 | frankly if this doesn't work out of the box its gonna be nontrival to fix.. do another slice for php5 |
| 22:52.59 | th1 | if it was trivial to fix im sure the debian maintainers would have done it already |
| 22:53.16 | th1 | just do aptitude remove xxxxphp5xxxx |
| 22:53.20 | th1 | to get back to the working baseline |
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| 22:53.46 | h3sp4wn | osmosis: why can you not just fix the code ? |
| 22:53.55 | osmosis | h3sp4wn: huh? |
| 22:53.56 | th1 | lol |
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| 22:54.42 | h3sp4wn | osmosis: use php5 update the code (php4 is crappy) |
| 22:54.59 | osmosis | h3sp4wn: ohyah,..well, thats part of the reason why I want them side by side. So I can migrate. |
| 22:55.14 | osmosis | h3sp4wn: by simply renaming files to .php5 to test. |
| 22:55.25 | th1 | osmosis, then install php5 on a new slice and make it work then copy it back, upgrade, and remove the new slice |
| 22:55.39 | osmosis | th1: yup, thats what I will do then. |
| 22:55.49 | osmosis | th1: okay, it was a good try though. |
| 22:55.49 | h3sp4wn | osmosis: This is not on a live server right ? |
| 22:55.57 | th1 | osmosis, ok :) |
| 22:55.58 | osmosis | h3sp4wn: uhh...its a live development server. |
| 22:56.04 | th1 | just remove it and make sure we got you back to a working setup |
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| 22:56.45 | h3sp4wn | osmosis: Well if its not actually serving the site then it doesn't matter |
| 22:57.03 | osmosis | th1: yah its working again. thx |
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| 22:57.08 | th1 | ok np |
| 22:57.19 | th1 | I did tell you it was unlikely to work ;) |
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| 22:57.46 | CalJohn | If I'm compiling binaries without root privs, if I use the configure script to just set --exec-prefix=/home/$USER, will that mean that programs will always be put in ~$USER/bin ? |
| 22:57.49 | larson999 | i must say i'm impressed with the performance of debian on this old g3 with 128 mb ram. |
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| 22:58.02 | osmosis | th1, so wierd because I know Ive seen guides on having them side by side. |
| 22:58.08 | th1 | hmm |
| 22:58.14 | th1 | where? and were they for debian? |
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| 22:58.27 | osmosis | th1: http://www.gentoo.org/proj/en/php/php4-php5-configuration.xml |
| 22:58.27 | CalJohn | larson999: well, most distros preform about the same, so you're probably just impressed with modern distros |
| 22:58.34 | osmosis | th1: looks like using a cgi setup |
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| 22:59.28 | cemc | is there a way to disable /tmp/* deletion on startup, and only do it at regular intervals, like every few days |
| 22:59.28 | th1 | ahh |
| 22:59.30 | Xenguy | CalJohn larson999 I'm not so sure, I think for example that debian seems slightly snappier than ubuntu on similar hardware (don't quote me as I've done no official benchmarks :-) |
| 22:59.31 | th1 | cgi will work |
| 22:59.34 | th1 | since its separate |
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| 22:59.41 | th1 | but it will be rubbish performance |
| 22:59.46 | th1 | try installing a php5 cgi package |
| 23:00.01 | h3sp4wn | Xenguy: Its tons faster |
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| 23:00.20 | osmosis | yah, sure it is |
| 23:00.29 | Xenguy | h3sp4wn: if true, why would that be (as Ubu is based on Deb) ? |
| 23:00.54 | huhlig | hey dondelelcaro you poking around? |
| 23:01.13 | CalJohn | Xenguy: Well, I see. Ubuntu can be made to be as fast as Debian, they probably just set it up by default to be less quick |
| 23:01.14 | Claudio32m | what do i need to install for the domain name to set properly? |
| 23:01.20 | Claudio32m | dns server? |
| 23:01.44 | Claudio32m | i installed dnsmasq but its still not saving the domain name |
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| 23:02.11 | streuner | huhlig: dont ask specific people, just ask the channel |
| 23:02.28 | Xenguy | CalJohn: yeah, I'm not sure for sure, but I'd be interested to know if there are real benchmarks around that look into this question |
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| 23:02.42 | huhlig | streuner, why would I ask the channel If I am looking for the man |
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| 23:03.53 | spenny | how to fix this error?! checking for X... configure: error: Can't find X libraries. Please check your installation and add the correct paths! |
| 23:03.58 | th1 | Xenguy, h3sp4wn you are both on a tangent here |
| 23:04.06 | th1 | they are each faster for different tasks |
| 23:04.08 | th1 | but Debian is free |
| 23:04.31 | th1 | which menas for example I use ubuntu at home but I am not allowed to use it at work |
| 23:04.36 | th1 | but I'm allowed to use debian at work |
| 23:04.46 | th1 | free as in freedon |
| 23:04.56 | th1 | now go pay FSF a membership fee :) |
| 23:04.59 | dutchfish | can someone help me? i am confused about debian latest mysql-server-5.0 (5.0.32-7etch1); i try to get it running with ssl (yaSSL | OpenSSL) i even recompiled it --with open-ssl | --whitout yaSSL; ssl certificates are fine and ssl is enabled, still no go, no errors except the client: 2026 (HY000) no bread ... |
| 23:05.06 | Xenguy | th1: wow, you're employer must be very picky :-) |
| 23:06.06 | cusco | ubuntu is not totally free? |
| 23:06.19 | cusco | (with no media codecs and all) |
| 23:06.33 | streuner | no, but thats OT here (/topic) |
| 23:06.38 | th1 | Xenguy, no just nasdaq :) meaning compliance, compliance, compliance |
| 23:06.55 | th1 | plus we're an IP company so have to set an example |
| 23:07.35 | h3sp4wn | Xenguy: They take too many shortcuts and loads tons of crap by default |
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| 23:08.36 | Xenguy | th1: RMS would slap your wrists for that, Mr. FSF ;-) |
| 23:09.32 | Xenguy | th1: he doesn't like the IP term *at all* apparently :-) |
| 23:09.38 | dutchfish | spenny, what desktop or what are you running? |
| 23:10.26 | Xenguy | h3sp4wn: I tried Ubuntu, and just got my network back to debian recently - I am very very happy about that BTW |
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| 23:10.39 | Mrdini | heya all |
| 23:10.54 | rafuch0 | where i can find the pakage libgimp in version 2.4 for sid |
| 23:11.13 | rafuch0 | i update the system and the gimp is no longer working becuse this problem |
| 23:11.19 | rafuch0 | a mismacht in the libraries |
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| 23:11.32 | Mrdini | not really an important query, but hey :) when running commands like tar, do they typically go thru a directory structure in alphabetical order? |
| 23:11.47 | h3sp4wn | Xenguy: I like Debian but my xen box will be switching to solaris express community edition (with Debian domu's) next time I go back home |
| 23:11.50 | Xenguy | th1: anyway you are lucky - I've only had one employer that actually allowed me to run linux (the rest were stealth installs :p ) |
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| 23:12.28 | th1 | Xenguy, I arrived for day 1 at my job and there was a desktop with dual xinerama monitor installed linux debian on my desk |
| 23:12.31 | th1 | :) |
| 23:12.44 | th1 | but IP in this context is processor cores |
| 23:12.48 | th1 | so i dont think rms would mind |
| 23:12.51 | Xenguy | h3sp4wn: why would you choose solaris over debian (if you don't mind me asking a just-curious type of question) ? |
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| 23:13.26 | Xenguy | th1: ahhh... anyway that is awesome IMHO - good for you |
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| 23:13.45 | rafuch0 | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:13.46 | th1 | thanks Xenguy :) |
| 23:14.05 | h3sp4wn | Xenguy: zfs and zraid (wouldn't run any servies on it but I don't on the dom0 anyway) |
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| 23:15.18 | Mrdini | so umm, anyone? |
| 23:15.59 | th1 | Mrdini, ok yes they typically do |
| 23:16.16 | th1 | if you dont want them to then use -s |
| 23:16.21 | th1 | then they use the order in the directory |
| 23:16.22 | Mrdini | th1, whoo hoo then :) (as looking at lsof, the command's on /var :P) |
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| 23:16.24 | th1 | thats for tar at least |
| 23:16.45 | th1 | Mrdini, sorry thats for extracting only |
| 23:16.47 | Mrdini | th1, nah, s'ok - just want to know how much longer I'd have to wait :) |
| 23:16.59 | th1 | hehe |
| 23:17.04 | Mrdini | ... oh - I'm referring to tarring |
| 23:17.06 | osmosis | th1: http://blog.no-panic.at/2007/01/26/installing-php5-cgi-on-debian/ |
| 23:17.07 | Mrdini | not extracting |
| 23:17.08 | th1 | I always hate it when I ask a question and nobody answers |
| 23:17.23 | osmosis | th1: works and easy. doesnt even require changing file extensions. |
| 23:17.25 | th1 | so I prefer to give a "I think ...": answer than none at all if ppl are getting impatient :) |
| 23:17.51 | th1 | cool oshiii-_^ |
| 23:18.03 | th1 | cool osmosis |
| 23:18.09 | th1 | Im glad you found a solution |
| 23:18.23 | Xenguy | Jussi: that is 600 right (or maybe I don't understand your real question) |
| 23:18.25 | Xenguy | ww |
| 23:18.58 | th1 | Xenguy, ?? |
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| 23:19.09 | Tramp | Mrdini: I'd expect them to go through files in the order of ls -U - e.g. the order they are stored in the directory. |
| 23:19.12 | Xenguy | th1: = wrong window |
| 23:19.52 | Xenguy | .oO(maybe I should type 'wc' for 'wrong channel' ? ) |
| 23:19.53 | th1 | ok ;) |
| 23:19.58 | th1 | hehe |
| 23:20.21 | Xenguy | I don't know if there is a more common acronym |
| 23:20.29 | Mrdini | Tramp, hmm.... *checks what ls -U returns* |
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| 23:21.06 | Mrdini | hmmm... 1/2 way thru then, it seems |
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| 23:24.42 | osmosis | oh great.. php5-cgi doesn't have any mysql support compiled in. |
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| 23:26.11 | NemesisD | hi all, i can't seem to get an internet connection with my wireless device on a debian live usb installation. i can scan with iwlist, set my essid, set up static ip and do ifconfig ra0 up, but still no ability to ping anything |
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| 23:27.12 | rto | NemesisD: Try installing network-manager - it's pretty close to network bliss ;-) |
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| 23:27.40 | DawnLight | NemesisD: what does it tell you when you try to ping |
| 23:28.08 | osmosis | oh cool, i think its working now. |
| 23:28.13 | ben_goodger | rto: I have just this second read "configure network manager properly, or disable it" as a solution to a problem in #pidgin :D |
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| 23:28.25 | Zippy2 | http://netriver.mirror.waffleimages.com/files/bc/bc2ce37f4b62118e8be5708621e868024aec4036.gif |
| 23:28.26 | osmosis | yup I am ALL good. |
| 23:28.44 | draeath | Where do I go to set environment variables for a specific user on X login? I can't remember the specific script to poke at. |
| 23:28.59 | draeath | want to add some paths to $PATH and $LD_LIBRARY_PATH |
| 23:29.00 | NemesisD | DawnLight, unknown host i believe |
| 23:29.06 | rto | ben_goodger: Sounds like we are all smarter than each other :) |
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| 23:29.18 | ben_goodger | quite so |
| 23:29.18 | DawnLight | !think |
| 23:29.19 | dpkg | Don't think. KNOW. |
| 23:29.37 | NemesisD | DawnLight, correction, im positive that is the output when i try to ping google.com |
| 23:29.54 | DawnLight | NemesisD: try to ping a cetain ip |
| 23:30.06 | Tramp | NemesisD: ... preferably your default-GW. |
| 23:30.09 | DawnLight | like your wireless APs ip |
| 23:30.46 | draeath | oh please tell me someone knows where to stick stuff you want run on logging into the system through the X server? |
| 23:30.50 | NemesisD | my default gw it can't do |
| 23:30.55 | draeath | i thought i was just having a brain cramp |
| 23:31.02 | NemesisD | it doesn't say unknown host but something else indicating it has no network connectivity |
| 23:31.06 | draeath | .xinit or something? |
| 23:31.43 | DawnLight | NemesisD: what does it say |
| 23:31.45 | Tramp | Nemesis: ... says this or something or maybe anything else I ... |
| 23:32.07 | NemesisD | sorry, i dont have the os in front of me and i only have 1 computer at my disposal |
| 23:32.10 | NemesisD | let me go find out |
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| 23:35.20 | S4nD3r | this xchat-gnome is cool |
| 23:35.30 | osmosis | S4nD3r: yah, i love it |
| 23:35.50 | S4nD3r | Im beginner in linux... |
| 23:36.01 | S4nD3r | Uses it since 1997, only! |
| 23:36.44 | S4nD3r | But always novice |
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| 23:37.02 | S4nD3r | I worked as network adminstrator during 5 years |
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| 23:37.52 | th1 | S4nD3r, used it since '91 |
| 23:37.57 | th1 | or was it .91 in '92 |
| 23:37.58 | th1 | ;) |
| 23:38.01 | ghatak | How do i find out what rate data is flowing in/out of an interface ? I have standard debian, can not install any new tools or packages |
| 23:38.25 | S4nD3r | Debian, I met in 2004 |
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| 23:38.37 | S4nD3r | Since there, I just uses this one, I love it ! |
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| 23:39.03 | th1 | ghatak, try ethtool |
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| 23:39.45 | ghatak | th1: hmm.. i though that was only used to find the speed an interface is negotiated on or change the negotiation mode etc.... ? |
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| 23:40.13 | acu | guys, is the support for broadcom wirelless drivers taken out from the kernels of etch or lenny ? |
| 23:40.19 | mrrcp | . |
| 23:40.20 | mrrcp | checking for C compiler default output file name... configure: error: C compiler cannot create executables |
| 23:40.27 | mrrcp | what compiler am i missing |
| 23:40.33 | mrrcp | i have gcc |
| 23:40.44 | h3sp4wn | !b-e |
| 23:40.44 | dpkg | If you get errors saying gcc cannot create executables, or that you can't find header files like stdio.h, you need to apt-get install build-essential. See also <qotd49>. |
| 23:41.19 | mrrcp | ty h3sp4wn |
| 23:41.46 | S4nD3r | I really would love to someone creates a chip with knowledge to put in mind |
| 23:41.50 | S4nD3r | lol |
| 23:42.05 | mrrcp | eh? |
| 23:42.08 | mrrcp | exit |
| 23:42.09 | h3sp4wn | mrrcp: You can get that for other reasons but that is by far the most common |
| 23:42.21 | mrrcp | yay! |
| 23:42.29 | mrrcp | working now... |
| 23:43.27 | mrrcp | h3sp4wn what about tcl install |
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| 23:43.29 | mrrcp | !tcl |
| 23:43.29 | dpkg | tcl is Tool Command Language, or available at http://www.tcl.tk/ |
| 23:43.40 | mrrcp | hrm |
| 23:43.44 | h3sp4wn | !tell mrrcp about msg the bot |
| 23:44.03 | cthulfuego | !cthulhu |
| 23:44.03 | dpkg | Ia! Ia! Cthulhu ftaghn! or i heard cthulhu was an ancient horror, sleeping below the seas in dread R'lyeh. or a figment of '30s horror author H.P. Lovecraft's imagination.. Ph'nglui Mglw'nafh Cafu'ego R'Lyeh Wgah'nagl Fhtagn, or see <:E> |
| 23:44.13 | mrrcp | ok |
| 23:44.32 | mrrcp | so any thing for tcl |
| 23:44.33 | mrrcp | ? |
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| 23:47.08 | yassine | good evening |
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| 23:47.57 | ghatak | th1: iftop will for me |
| 23:47.58 | ghatak | :) |
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| 23:49.32 | yassine | anyone happen to know which parameter spaw takes to let the spawned process in prints it out put to the console? |
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| 23:49.59 | yassine | s/spaw/spawn/ |
| 23:50.12 | draeath | guys, i have something wierd happening. I type "set" to view environment variables, and it dumps what looks like C code to my screen!? |
| 23:50.24 | draeath | wait... |
| 23:50.32 | draeath | thats $_ImageMagick |
| 23:50.34 | draeath | wth? |
| 23:51.52 | draeath | why would there be C code stored in an environment variable? |
| 23:52.06 | mbroeker | draeath, echo $TERM |
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| 23:52.14 | draeath | xterm |
| 23:52.24 | draeath | i can see all the other vars |
| 23:52.30 | th1 | ghatak, I thought you couldnt install any extra packages ;) |
| 23:52.42 | draeath | but the last one just swamped my terminal with crap that pushed them past my scrollback ( i piped it and reviewed the file ) |
| 23:52.44 | mbroeker | draeath, echo $shell ? |
| 23:52.57 | draeath | $SHELL is /bin/bash |
| 23:53.11 | urv | draeath: isn't it just shell code you are seeing? |
| 23:53.11 | mbroeker | draeath, write it lowercase |
| 23:53.14 | mbroeker | draeath, echo $shell ? |
| 23:53.18 | draeath | blank |
| 23:53.23 | draeath | well, nothing |
| 23:53.29 | mbroeker | well, thats really strange |
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| 23:54.02 | mbroeker | draeath, i thought that it is csh or so |
| 23:54.07 | draeath | well my vars are there, its like i said, it was odd that $_ImageMagick had C code stored in it |
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| 23:54.33 | draeath | and a lot, so it pushes the other vars past my terminals scroll-back so I don't see them. |
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| 23:54.46 | draeath | i piped it through less and I could see |
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| 23:55.08 | dryrot | so i put my intel wireless card firmware in /usr/local/lib/firmware/ , now what? how do i get wireless running ? |
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| 23:55.56 | CalJohn | what is a good console program for finding out the bitrate of an mp3 file? |
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| 23:57.31 | ben_goodger | CalJohn: mplayer displays it while playing, I believe |
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| 23:57.48 | dacs | !seen abortman |
| 23:57.48 | dpkg | dacs: i haven't seen 'abortman' |
| 23:58.07 | CalJohn | ben_goodger: only for constant bitrates, AFAIK |
| 23:58.19 | CalJohn | tends to call variable bit rates 128 |
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| 23:58.32 | ben_goodger | ah |
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| 23:59.34 | urv | draeath: querybts 412944 |
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