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| 00:00.46 | draeath | Got a wierd one... |
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| 00:01.05 | draeath | so, i noticed that .bash_profile execs .bashrc. so I added stuff to .bashrc |
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| 00:01.34 | draeath | it works when I log in through SSH or run an xterm etc. |
| 00:01.47 | draeath | but when I hit alt-f2 and run something from there, i see my $PATH hasn't been updated. |
| 00:02.04 | draeath | How can I go about adding what I added to .bashrc, to whatever it needs to be added to? |
| 00:02.15 | Kamping_Kaiser | draeath, `source .bashrc` |
| 00:02.23 | Kamping_Kaiser | (run it in a term) |
| 00:02.31 | draeath | will that make it permanent? |
| 00:02.43 | draeath | because when I run a term, it IS set (so .bashrc got run) |
| 00:02.51 | draeath | i want x to do that. |
| 00:03.01 | Kamping_Kaiser | have you logged into vtty2 after making the change or before? |
| 00:03.12 | mbroeker | draeath, nano ~/.bash_profile and enable the . ~/.bashrc block |
| 00:03.14 | draeath | i logged out from the X server |
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| 00:04.10 | draeath | .bash_profile already runs .bashrc if it exists (uncommented) |
| 00:04.20 | loXx | hi, i think i found a litte missing dependency in debian etch: the package "msttcorefonts" needs "x-ttcidfont-conf" in order |
| 00:04.20 | loXx | to work properly. without installing "x-ttcidfont-conf" first, no TrueType fonst from the package "msttcorefonts" will appear in x-windows. i'm not familiar reporting bugs, so i post it here. |
| 00:04.22 | draeath | does xfce ignore .bashrc/.bash_profile? |
| 00:04.54 | draeath | loXx http://bugs.debian.org |
| 00:05.15 | draeath | "How to report a bug in Debian" |
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| 00:05.21 | draeath | that should get the info to the right folks |
| 00:07.10 | mbroeker | draeath, anyway: your C-like code seems to be the functions for bash_completion, right? |
| 00:07.21 | loXx | seems to be very complicated :( |
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| 00:07.40 | dryrot | so when i run dmesg i see my machine knows i have intel 2200BG as my wireless card, but i can't bring up the interface still, what do i do? |
| 00:07.42 | sander_ | Hi. I just installed debian on my server.. and when I'm about to boot into debian I get: "Grub loading stage 1.5 Grub loading, please wait Error 25 |
| 00:07.51 | draeath | mbroeker, no that was something else. $_ImageMagick had C code in it (rather than a usual one-liner like is normally in vars) |
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| 00:08.12 | sander_ | What does error 25 in grub mean? |
| 00:08.16 | NemesisD | DawnLight, Tramp ok i'm back, i tried installing network manager but its not detecting any devices |
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| 00:08.27 | NemesisD | DawnLight, pinging my gateway results in network unreachable |
| 00:08.31 | DawnLight | NemesisD: oh dear |
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| 00:09.20 | Tramp | NemesisD: were you associated with your AP at all? |
| 00:09.32 | brunner | How can I see how much power a USB device is requesting? |
| 00:09.32 | draeath | so, does X have something like .bashrc and .bash_profile? |
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| 00:09.44 | DawnLight | ahm... look. use wlassistant or xradar or something like that |
| 00:09.45 | NemesisD | Tramp, iwconfig was showing my essid yes |
| 00:09.51 | draeath | or, rather, can I see what X is running somehow? I can through it and find what I want to play with... |
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| 00:10.22 | DarkBahamut | hello |
| 00:10.40 | draeath | basically this whole mess is me installing the geda-suite as a user, as the repos have old versions and I don't want to have a hell of a time if I upgrade them |
| 00:10.45 | NemesisD | lol apps are so fun to install when you have no apt access |
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| 00:11.01 | DarkBahamut | wols_: hey |
| 00:11.09 | draeath | but to do that I need to add a path to /home/draeath/geda-install/bin and then add /home/draeath/geda-install/lib to my LD_LIBRARY_PATH |
| 00:11.29 | draeath | NemesisD, what, you never untar .debs and mess with thier innards? |
| 00:11.36 | NemesisD | draeath, oh god no |
| 00:11.38 | draeath | <evil> |
| 00:11.40 | loXx | perhaps someone can forward my bugreport to the BTS.. i am too tired for such a complex mechanism. bye |
| 00:11.49 | NemesisD | DawnLight, im not seeing the package xradar, and wlassistant is kde |
| 00:11.56 | draeath | great, yet another bug not reported cause of a lazy one |
| 00:11.58 | filippo_ | I have troubles with 3d dri with a radeon 7000 under etch.I don't use 3d apps since 2004-5 or so (back to woody and sarge) and it worked.Now i obtain dlopen: /usr/lib/xorg/modules/extensions/libGLcore.so: undefined symbol: _glapi_Dispatch and dri doesn't work... Tya. |
| 00:12.08 | mbroeker | DarkBahamut, are you the guy with the missing X dev files? |
| 00:12.25 | DawnLight | NemesisD: something with radar in the name |
| 00:12.29 | draeath | arg! let me rephrase my issue. |
| 00:12.35 | DarkBahamut | mbroeker: i dont think so |
| 00:12.37 | draeath | How do I make xfce run scripts when I log in? |
| 00:12.38 | NemesisD | ah i found it, wifi-radar |
| 00:12.51 | mbroeker | DarkBahamut, ok well |
| 00:13.01 | DawnLight | yes, that should make yer wireless life easier, NemesisD |
| 00:13.49 | brunner | how much power do modern cell phones typically consume? |
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| 00:14.48 | StarX | how i do unerase in ext3 ? |
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| 00:15.35 | Tramp | !tell StarX about undelete |
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| 00:15.43 | StarX | k |
| 00:15.45 | StarX | tks |
| 00:16.55 | dryrot | does the testing kernel recognize NTFS ? |
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| 00:17.39 | Tramp | StarX: also msg dpkg about recover. I doubt that you will have much success though. |
| 00:17.53 | train` | dryrot, yes |
| 00:18.36 | StarX | :~ |
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| 00:24.05 | yassine | any idea how to get the output of a spawned process? |
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| 00:25.37 | streuner | dryrot: Debian's kernel(s) support NTFS by default |
| 00:26.02 | wintix | how would one get touch to create the files foo-a foo-b foo-c .. foo-z? i tried touch foo-{a,z} and various other things with brackets and semicolons, etc but i can't seem to get it working. |
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| 00:26.37 | Kamping_Kaiser | wintix, probably try seq `a z` |
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| 00:27.52 | azeem | w31 |
| 00:27.54 | azeem | oops |
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| 00:29.50 | clamiax | aoeu |
| 00:30.45 | Tramp | wintix: man bash, search for "Brace Expansion" |
| 00:31.07 | wintix | Tramp: thank you. didn't know what to look for. |
| 00:31.24 | Tramp | np |
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| 00:35.14 | sander_ | Anyone know about a tool to test sata hardisks for failure? |
| 00:35.30 | wintix | sander_: smartmontools |
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| 00:35.45 | sander_ | I cant get it to work with sata hd's |
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| 00:36.01 | sander_ | Only ide ones |
| 00:36.10 | draeath | SMART is IDE only i think |
| 00:36.20 | wintix | draeath: no, it's not. |
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| 00:38.15 | sander_ | When I do: smartctl -a /dev/sda I get: Device does not support SMART, Device does not support Self Test logging |
| 00:38.16 | wintix | sander_: smartctl -d ata will do the trick. |
| 00:38.53 | sander_ | wintix, cool. |
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| 00:39.47 | Kamping_Kaiser | bloody hell. cant even debug evo. *rants*. problem for later then. |
| 00:39.50 | Kamping_Kaiser | afk :) |
| 00:40.16 | wireddd | etch's default kernel will autodetect that I have an amd x2 and use both cores right? |
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| 00:41.26 | stew | wireddd: it depends on which kernel. the -486 kernel would not detect/use both cores |
| 00:41.27 | cahoot | wireddd: IIRC you ant an -686 or -k7 kernel |
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| 00:41.51 | wireddd | it is the k7 kernel |
| 00:42.05 | wireddd | I think my hosting company is trying to rip me off |
| 00:42.19 | stew | wireddd: what does "uname -r" say? |
| 00:42.28 | wireddd | 2.6.18-4-k7 |
| 00:42.40 | stew | wireddd: yes, that one would detect both cores. you should upgrade to -5 though |
| 00:43.04 | stew | wireddd: "cat /proc/cpuinfo" should show multiple cores if they exist |
| 00:43.09 | wireddd | yeah, it doesn't |
| 00:43.42 | stew | wireddd: "grep CONFIG_SMP /boot/config-$(uname -r)" sholud return a =y |
| 00:44.02 | wireddd | yeah |
| 00:44.29 | wireddd | I think I will call my ticket "the case of the missing core" |
| 00:45.56 | bzed | wireddd: cat /proc/cpuinfo shold also say or at least give hints about the cpu you really have |
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| 00:46.18 | bzed | cat /proc/cpuinfo | grep model |
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| 00:46.34 | wireddd | yeah, I just wanted to make sure I was correct before I go accusing my hosting company of screwing up |
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| 00:50.20 | dacs | how do i know which partion my ipod is on |
| 00:52.05 | Guerin | dacs: dmesg |
| 00:52.19 | Guerin | dacs: but unless you've modified it, it's not on a partition, really |
| 00:52.27 | Guerin | not in a very usable fashion, anyhow |
| 00:52.49 | dacs | Guerin: i want to fromt it |
| 00:53.09 | Guerin | dacs: what is this `fromt' of hich you speak? |
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| 00:53.29 | dacs | Guerin: *format |
| 00:53.55 | Guerin | dacs: there are guides to this sort of thing on the interwebs |
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| 00:54.16 | NemesisD | DawnLight, didn't work :/ |
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| 00:54.39 | DawnLight | NemesisD: are you using dhcp? |
| 00:54.47 | NemesisD | DawnLight, no static |
| 00:54.48 | dacs | Guerin: yes i now, i want to locate it . i didn't want you to do it for me |
| 00:54.57 | DawnLight | NemesisD: what about the name server? |
| 00:54.58 | dacs | so i asked how can i locate my ipod |
| 00:55.18 | dacs | *know |
| 00:55.28 | NemesisD | DawnLight, this is probably good though, i got as far as to be able to ifup and ifdown the interface without any errors, and associate the access point, but just no connectivity |
| 00:55.31 | Guerin | dacs: and I told you. |
| 00:55.32 | NemesisD | DawnLight, what name server? |
| 00:55.43 | DawnLight | NemesisD: encryption? |
| 00:55.48 | dacs | Guerin: dmesg list only my eth0 |
| 00:56.13 | NemesisD | DawnLight, no encryption or anything, its an open network |
| 00:56.28 | Guerin | dacs: bullshit. |
| 00:56.35 | DawnLight | NemesisD: can you ping the access point? |
| 00:56.44 | dacs | Guerin: serious no horeshit |
| 00:56.48 | NemesisD | DawnLight, no, unfortunately i get network unreachable |
| 00:56.59 | NemesisD | it looks like its trying to ping but then it just comes back with a bunch of network unreachables |
| 00:57.09 | Guerin | dacs: if that's the ONLY thing dmesg gives as output, then you have one severely fucked-up system |
| 00:57.24 | DawnLight | NemesisD: did you try defining an interface to send the ping to? |
| 00:57.31 | NemesisD | DawnLight, no i haven't |
| 00:57.42 | NemesisD | i wouldn't know how to do that |
| 00:57.43 | DawnLight | NemesisD: man ping and do tha |
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| 00:58.37 | NemesisD | how do i create the interface? and can't i just ping lo? |
| 00:59.48 | DawnLight | NemesisD: what do you mean create? the interface is the wireless nic |
| 00:59.57 | NemesisD | erm i mean defining |
| 01:00.08 | NemesisD | sorry, im kind of out of it right now for some strange reason |
| 01:01.00 | dacs | Guerin: IN=eth0 OUT= MAC=01:00:5e:00:00:fb:00:12:17:98:b3:c7:08:00 SRC=192.168.1.101 DST |
| 01:01.03 | dacs | =224.0.0.251 LEN=663 TOS=0x00 PREC=0x00 TTL=255 ID=3137 PROTO=UDP SPT=5353 DPT=5 |
| 01:01.04 | DawnLight | pinging lo won't help us in finding out if you can reach the router, because the router is connected via the wireless network interface |
| 01:01.06 | dacs | 353 LEN=643 |
| 01:01.31 | NemesisD | something just popped into my head that may be contributing to this problem also, im using the rt2500 driver package, and i think i may have installed rt2500 and rt2500-source |
| 01:01.33 | Guerin | dacs: your dmesg is very horribly broken. Reinstall. |
| 01:01.45 | NemesisD | DawnLight, im kind of confused as to what you want me to do then |
| 01:01.51 | Guerin | either that, or your brain is |
| 01:02.02 | Guerin | much harder to reinstall a brain than to reinstall debian, though |
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| 01:03.01 | azeem | Guerin: relax |
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| 01:03.32 | Guerin | azeem: i'm plenty relaxed, thanks. |
| 01:04.01 | DawnLight | NemesisD: hmmm... phase one will be installing the drivers. phase two is checking if it works. we hope you got through one succesfully and you have an interface for your wireless nic. ifconfig -a to list all interfaces |
| 01:04.39 | NemesisD | DawnLight, yeah i do of course see my interface in ifconfig -a as ra0, and we know it is in some way functional because it can see my access point's essid |
| 01:05.24 | dacs | Guerin: when you said reinstall , you mean my whole system |
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| 01:05.34 | DawnLight | NemesisD: ok, next step is to associate it with that access point. we'll use /etc/network/interfaces for that. can i see yours? |
| 01:05.53 | NemesisD | sure thing |
| 01:06.04 | Guerin | dacs: yes. If your dmesg is giving only that output, it's horribly, horribly broken. |
| 01:06.50 | NemesisD | DawnLight, http://pastebin.ca/795358 |
| 01:06.51 | dacs | Guerin: does it matter that i am remotly connected |
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| 01:07.51 | bucky | is the eepro100 supported in debian? |
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| 01:07.51 | chuck | is it possible to merge two partitions in debian linux? |
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| 01:08.09 | DawnLight | NemesisD: i'll give you mine and you'll get it... |
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| 01:08.51 | NemesisD | okie dokie |
| 01:09.19 | SteveDondley | upgrading to etch hosed my wireless. I was running fine on sarge with a wmp11 linksys card. how do I get my wireless connection back? |
| 01:09.35 | TrueDD | Good night all |
| 01:10.07 | chuck | anyone know if it's possible to merge partitions? |
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| 01:11.00 | Guerin | dacs: nope. |
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| 01:11.23 | DawnLight | NemesisD: http://pastebin.ca/795362 - ath0 is my wireless nic, an atheros chipset. note that i've over-done it with the values becuase the mode is Managed by default and the channel and mac address should be auto detected by the essid. tell me if it worked |
| 01:11.28 | dacs | Guerin: man |
| 01:11.52 | dacs | do i have to reinstall the whole system god damit |
| 01:11.56 | DawnLight | NemesisD: oh and the post-up/pre-down lines enable/disable NAT |
| 01:12.33 | Guerin | dacs: dmesg should give a whole lot of information about how your system is running - it's like a logfile |
| 01:12.36 | DawnLight | SteveDondley: it could be that you need to rebuild the module |
| 01:13.18 | dacs | Guerin: is there is an easy fix |
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| 01:13.56 | Guerin | dacs: nope. |
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| 01:15.19 | NemesisD | DawnLight, what would my wireless mode be?, and am i sfe in omitting the post and pre ups? |
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| 01:16.50 | dalias | hey wtf does this mean? |
| 01:16.54 | DawnLight | NemesisD: it should be Managed and that is the default so you can probably omit that. yes, that is ok. although you might want to keep that commented out so it would be there when you want NAT |
| 01:16.59 | dalias | dexconf: error: cannot generate configuration file; |
| 01:17.00 | dalias | xserver-xorg/config/device/driver not set. Aborting. |
| 01:17.15 | NemesisD | DawnLight, so does this look good http://pastebin.ca/795370 |
| 01:17.16 | dalias | while trying to run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg |
| 01:18.47 | DawnLight | NemesisD: yes, try that |
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| 01:19.13 | Tramp | DawnLight: he may have to set the channel, don't he? |
| 01:19.19 | CalJohn | chuck: it cannot be done, AFAIK |
| 01:19.40 | chuck | shit |
| 01:19.47 | DawnLight | Tramp: i am assuming 3 is his channel |
| 01:19.56 | mendred | chuck:http://gparted-forum.surf4.info/viewtopic.php?pid=1984 |
| 01:20.03 | CalJohn | SteveDondley: what exactly about it does not work? |
| 01:20.06 | mendred | chuck: its a requested feature for gparted |
| 01:20.09 | chuck | mendred: yeah, i'm reading that |
| 01:20.19 | chuck | someone suggested gparted to me but i found that it doesn't have that |
| 01:20.26 | mendred | chuck: there are some references that partition magic might be able to do that.. |
| 01:20.42 | DawnLight | NemesisD: is the access point working in channel 3? |
| 01:20.45 | mendred | chuck: so if u have that you can use it |
| 01:21.14 | mendred | chuck: if u own a seagate drive, it usually comes with a disk of partition magic |
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| 01:21.28 | CalJohn | chuck: gparted is basically a front end to parted, and i don't think parted can do it either. |
| 01:21.54 | chuck | i'd be better off just buying a new drive |
| 01:22.13 | CalJohn | chuck: frankly, yes |
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| 01:22.44 | Tramp | I don't get it. In this post they talk about merging filesystems, not partitions. To merge partitison just delete them and create a new one - or what am I missing? |
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| 01:23.02 | DawnLight | chuck: why do you want to merge partitions? |
| 01:23.09 | chuck | Tramp: well to merge them and preserve the data |
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| 01:23.45 | DawnLight | my mouse hand is just freezing |
| 01:23.47 | chuck | DawnLight: it's embarassing, but when i partitioned my drive, i made the main partition like 3GB and the /home partition 75GB completely without thinking |
| 01:23.59 | Tramp | chuck: Then you merge filesystems, not partitions. This cannot be done with any modern filesystem I know of. |
| 01:24.03 | BaD_CrC | why does the colors in aptitude have to be so brownish ugly during download? |
| 01:24.12 | Guerin | BaD_CrC: because of the reason. |
| 01:24.18 | Guerin | it's a cruel joke |
| 01:24.28 | DawnLight | chuck: then just resize the partitions with gparted (from a live cd) |
| 01:24.39 | chuck | DawnLight: will the data be preserved? |
| 01:25.00 | BaD_CrC | i like aptitude, but only during the download process do i need to switch terms to prevent my eyes from bugging out. |
| 01:25.13 | BaD_CrC | Guerin: and what is this cruel joke? |
| 01:25.37 | DawnLight | it should be, chuck. backing everythin up is recommended for these kinds of things |
| 01:25.59 | chuck | DawnLight: yeah |
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| 01:26.22 | DawnLight | chuck: there is a gparted live cd and knoppix is good also |
| 01:26.25 | mendred | chuck: it has worked for me when i have used it..but DawnLight's advice is sound |
| 01:26.31 | BaD_CrC | i'm gonna see how far i can get with this vbox session by dist-upgrade to sid |
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| 01:27.26 | chuck | DawnLight: yeah, i've got a knoppix live cd so i'll try that |
| 01:28.02 | DawnLight | chuck: don't forget to unmount the swap partition if you're resizing it (can be done from gparted) |
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| 01:28.10 | SteveDondley | CalJohn: sorry, had to step away, back |
| 01:28.19 | brainwave | hi everyone |
| 01:28.50 | brainwave | hey dudes! where can i find lots of linux applications? |
| 01:28.55 | SteveDondley | CalJohn: if I run ifup eth1, I get SET failed on device eth1 ; No such device |
| 01:29.12 | SteveDondley | SIOCCSIFADDR: no such device |
| 01:29.31 | DawnLight | brainwave: in debian |
| 01:29.38 | SteveDondley | it's like it doesn't even recognize the hardware anymore |
| 01:29.41 | brainwave | where can i find ubuntu apps? |
| 01:29.49 | brainwave | lots of em |
| 01:30.10 | brainwave | ? |
| 01:30.23 | brainwave | :-D |
| 01:30.24 | DawnLight | brainwave: in ubuntu |
| 01:30.27 | Guerin | brainwave: ubuntu.com |
| 01:30.32 | brainwave | aahhhh |
| 01:30.33 | brainwave | no |
| 01:30.36 | Guerin | yes |
| 01:30.39 | Guerin | now go there |
| 01:30.42 | brainwave | i need lots of them |
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| 01:30.50 | Guerin | we don't care |
| 01:30.53 | DawnLight | ubuntu has more than lots |
| 01:30.54 | Guerin | this is #debian |
| 01:31.03 | CalJohn | SteveDondley: lspci find it? |
| 01:31.06 | brainwave | ubuntu is debian based |
| 01:31.12 | SteveDondley | CalJohn: no |
| 01:31.13 | brainwave | haha |
| 01:31.18 | DawnLight | we know that, but we don't do ubuntu |
| 01:31.19 | brainwave | stup |
| 01:31.32 | DawnLight | !tell brainwave about ubuntu |
| 01:31.35 | brainwave | ok give me debian apps |
| 01:31.39 | CalJohn | SteveDondley: hohum. are you certain the driver is loaded, and that the hardware is connected? |
| 01:31.41 | Guerin | brainwave: how can I make this more clear: we DO NOT support ubuntu, at all, for anyone. Go to #ubuntu. |
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| 01:31.47 | SteveDondley | CalJohn: oh, wait |
| 01:31.52 | brainwave | what? |
| 01:32.01 | DawnLight | brainwave: debian apps are in the debian repos |
| 01:32.03 | SteveDondley | looking at lpsci more closely, I see it |
| 01:32.20 | SteveDondley | it's listed as Intersil Corporation Prism 2.5 Wavelan chipset |
| 01:32.28 | DawnLight | brainwave: but i wouldn't try to install them in another distro |
| 01:32.49 | CalJohn | SteveDondley: can you pastebin the entire contents of "ifconfig -a" |
| 01:33.00 | brainwave | oh man |
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| 01:33.15 | SteveDondley | that computer is not connected to the network |
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| 01:33.22 | SteveDondley | hold on |
| 01:33.31 | DawnLight | brainwave: you're not getting help in #ubuntu? |
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| 01:33.47 | dondelelcaro | SteveDondley: most likely you need the prism 2.5 drivers; have you m-a a-i linux-wlan-ng; ? |
| 01:34.43 | dondelelcaro | SteveDondley: you'll need some sort of network connection to do that (and you'll probably also want the linux-wlan-ng-firmware package installed) |
| 01:34.48 | SteveDondley | dondelelcaro: I had the drivers working fine in sarge, then I upgrded, now I've lost wireless |
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| 01:35.16 | dondelelcaro | SteveDondley: yeah, it's because the kernel got upgraded too |
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| 01:37.06 | SteveDondley | let me get this machine hooked up to the net |
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| 01:39.47 | SteveDondley | ok, got is working wired |
| 01:39.56 | cockroach | what do i need to do on oldstable for the distro-kernel (2.6) to load the correct modules for my scsi controller at bootup? |
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| 01:41.01 | dondelelcaro | SteveDondley: yeah, then m-a a-i linux-wlan-ng; should do what you want |
| 01:41.34 | SteveDondley | I will google that |
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| 01:41.36 | osmosis | can anyone tell me how to disable the udev feature that renames my eth devices when the mac changes? |
| 01:41.46 | SteveDondley | linux-wlan-ng sounds familiar |
| 01:41.58 | SteveDondley | not m-a a-i |
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| 01:44.57 | brick | i am so short in disk space that i want to consider removing some large packages; how can i tell which are the largest ones installed? |
| 01:45.20 | SteveDondley | CalJohn: http://pastebin.com/m781ec4de |
| 01:45.37 | SteveDondley | dondelelcaro: what is ndiswrapper, will I need that? |
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| 01:49.39 | squisher | my make-kpkg seems to be broken... when executing debian/rules I get errors like "/bin/sh line0: [: -ge: unary operator expected" |
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| 01:50.18 | dalias | hey |
| 01:50.26 | squisher | I'm running 'make-kpkg --us --uc --rootcmd fakeroot --initrd' as I always have, never had a problem before... |
| 01:50.31 | dalias | how does one disable extensions in xorg conf? |
| 01:50.50 | dalias | i think RandR is causing problems (acceleration gets disabled) and i want to try turning it off |
| 01:50.51 | squisher | dalias, edit /etc/X11/xorg.conf |
| 01:51.04 | dalias | but i don't see it listed in xorg.conf |
| 01:51.39 | squisher | dalias: Hmm, good point... I might've mistaken extensions with modules |
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| 01:53.01 | dalias | any idea? |
| 01:53.22 | elmo40 | brick: i am sure synaptic will give you installed size |
| 01:53.26 | squisher | nope, sorry... a quick google didn't come up with anything either |
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| 01:54.28 | brick | thanks elmo40, i hadn't ever tried it before |
| 01:54.39 | dacs | how can i make a partion bootable using fdisk |
| 01:54.51 | elmo40 | select <bootable> |
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| 01:58.44 | dalias | grrrr |
| 01:58.46 | dalias | I added |
| 01:58.52 | dalias | Section "Extensions" |
| 01:58.58 | dalias | Option "RANDR" "Disable |
| 01:59.18 | dalias | .. |
| 01:59.26 | dalias | and it says in the log: |
| 01:59.34 | dalias | (**) Extension "RANDR" is disabled |
| 01:59.37 | dalias | but then later |
| 01:59.44 | dalias | (==) RandR enabled |
| 01:59.47 | dalias | (II) Initializing built-in extension RANDR |
| 01:59.50 | dalias | wtf |
| 02:00.08 | dalias | there must be some way to kill it.. |
| 02:00.12 | squisher | dalias: possibly capitalization? Try it with "RandR" |
| 02:00.41 | dacs | can someone help me with this please, http://pastebin.ca/795394 |
| 02:00.53 | squisher | dacs: what's "this"? |
| 02:01.04 | squisher | dacs: a one-liner might help :) |
| 02:01.26 | dalias | with RandR it says unknown extension |
| 02:01.33 | dalias | RANDR is the correct capitalization for the option |
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| 02:01.52 | dacs | squisher: this is my ipodpartition and i want to make the first and second partition bootable |
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| 02:04.19 | NemesisD | DawnLight, sorry i had to run downstairs for a bit, im going to go try it now |
| 02:04.31 | DawnLight | NemesisD: please do |
| 02:04.46 | NemesisD | im not sure what channel my ap uses, i thought it was 5 |
| 02:04.55 | squisher | dacs: fdisk /dev/sda , use 'a' for making bootable, enter partition 3 |
| 02:05.00 | DawnLight | NemesisD: scanning tells ta |
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| 02:05.44 | NemesisD | oh yeah |
| 02:06.05 | NemesisD | channel 10 it is |
| 02:06.15 | DawnLight | go at it |
| 02:07.20 | DawnLight | NemesisD: if you need some monitor to tell you the link quality i recommend gkrellm with the wireless plugin. you can use it for lots of other monitoring also |
| 02:07.53 | NemesisD | DawnLight, this computer is stationary so i should be fine, one last thing, when i start up, what should i be doing to make sure i'm properly testing this config? |
| 02:08.14 | NemesisD | ifconfig ra0 up; /etc/init.d/networking restart ? |
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| 02:10.04 | DawnLight | NemesisD: no no, not at all. ifupdown is a bunch of scripts that uses /etc/networking/interfaces to automate networking configuration so you don't need to touch ifconfig/iwconfig and routing. if it is in 'auto', which it is according to the file you pasted, it will bring it up at boot time |
| 02:10.48 | NemesisD | DawnLight, so just try pinging stuff and try a browser? |
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| 02:11.17 | DawnLight | NemesisD: you need to define the nameserver |
| 02:11.36 | DawnLight | so you can use host names and not just ip addresses |
| 02:11.44 | NemesisD | DawnLight, ok how do i do that |
| 02:11.53 | DawnLight | but first, try to ping the wireless access point's ip |
| 02:12.05 | sander_ | Input/output error during read on /dev/scsihost0/bus0/target0/lun0/disk ERROR!! Retry/ignore/cancle <-- Anyone know why that happens inside the debian installer when formatting a disk.. but not in fdisk? |
| 02:12.09 | NemesisD | ok and if it doesn't do that then obviously i won't be able to do anything else |
| 02:12.15 | dacs | is there is anything wrong with this command "mkfs.vfat -F 32 /dev/sda2" |
| 02:12.51 | dacs | i get this "error, -bash: mkfs.vfat: command not found" |
| 02:12.51 | DawnLight | right. but you need to tell the ifupdown scripts to bring up the interface first, if it hasen't already did |
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| 02:13.05 | DawnLight | bad english |
| 02:13.14 | DawnLight | hasen't already done so |
| 02:13.27 | NemesisD | DawnLight, ok and how do i do so? |
| 02:13.42 | DawnLight | ifup <interface> |
| 02:13.59 | NemesisD | DawnLight, ok so don't run any commands first, try to ping, if that fails, ifup ra0? |
| 02:14.18 | NemesisD | and if that fails, return here :P |
| 02:15.28 | DawnLight | NemesisD: try 'cat /etc/network/run/ifstate' so you'll know which interfaces are up. are you dual-booting? |
| 02:15.39 | dacs | why am i getting mkdosfs -F 32 /dev/sda2 |
| 02:15.40 | dacs | -bash: mkdosfs: command not found |
| 02:15.55 | DawnLight | i mean, are you on irc on the same box from another OS? |
| 02:16.01 | NemesisD | DawnLight, yes, this whole process getting the network interface working is taking place on a persistent debian live installation on a usb drive |
| 02:16.31 | DawnLight | neat |
| 02:16.33 | NemesisD | DawnLight, yes, same box, on an ubuntu partition on a hard drive |
| 02:16.56 | DawnLight | so you're now in ubuntu |
| 02:17.01 | NemesisD | correctamundo |
| 02:17.07 | DawnLight | aight |
| 02:17.34 | NemesisD | alright im off to try it then, wish me luck ;) |
| 02:17.40 | DawnLight | then once you boot up the debian, it should bring the interface up |
| 02:17.54 | DawnLight | break a shell |
| 02:17.58 | NemesisD | lol |
| 02:18.52 | dacs | will someone help me please |
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| 02:19.59 | CutMeOwnThroat | Hi, I'm just changing my system from normal to RAID, mostly following this:http://xtronics.com/reference/SATA-RAID-debian-for-2.6.html |
| 02:20.10 | DawnLight | dacs: apparently there is no such executable in your paths |
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| 02:20.55 | CutMeOwnThroat | now, when I try to add the swap device of the original disk to the RAID, mdadm complains "mdadm: /dev/sda2 not large enough to join array" |
| 02:21.00 | dacs | DawnLight: how can i get it please |
| 02:21.36 | CutMeOwnThroat | the disks are partitioned identically as far as I can tell and the two other partitions joined without a problem... any ideas? |
| 02:21.58 | DawnLight | dacs: you need to know which package it is in. but perhaps you already have it and need to be root to use it |
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| 02:23.06 | dacs | DawnLight: i am root, i tried which and locate for "mkdosfs" nothing returned |
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| 02:24.49 | DawnLight | dacs: apt-cache search mkdosfs |
| 02:24.49 | dacs | DawnLight: any suggestions please |
| 02:24.53 | dacs | oh |
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| 02:26.17 | dacs | DawnLight: i thank you so much sir |
| 02:26.31 | DawnLight | come again |
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| 02:26.34 | NemesisD | DawnLight, fail :( |
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| 02:26.50 | DawnLight | NemesisD: what did you try and what did it tell ya |
| 02:26.53 | NemesisD | DawnLight, for starters, something overwrote my interfaces file and just left auto lo there |
| 02:26.59 | CutMeOwnThroat | nuffin? |
| 02:27.13 | DawnLight | NemesisD: you sure you saved it? |
| 02:27.13 | xored | some package depends on "named"..but there is no such package. What is that |
| 02:27.18 | NemesisD | DawnLight, positive |
| 02:27.30 | NemesisD | because gedit saved an interfaces~ in the same directory |
| 02:27.48 | DawnLight | but... but... ok that is a problem. what is this debian live thing? |
| 02:27.57 | DawnLight | is it the debian live cd? |
| 02:28.13 | DawnLight | you've put that on a usb storage device? |
| 02:28.25 | NemesisD | its not really a livecd because it's made to be persistent |
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| 02:28.57 | DawnLight | NemesisD: well it is persistently reseting your configuration and we can't have that, can we |
| 02:29.03 | NemesisD | there's 1 small partition i think with all the kernel and bootloaders and what have you on it and then the filesystem and thats fat16 and the rest of the partition is ext |
| 02:29.22 | NemesisD | DawnLight, i think that may have been network-manager or something |
| 02:29.38 | DawnLight | NemesisD: get rid of it, then |
| 02:30.05 | NemesisD | i can do that but either way, saving interfaces and restarting networking i would think would allieviate that problem |
| 02:30.06 | DawnLight | NemesisD: is there an init script for the network manager? |
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| 02:30.37 | NemesisD | http://pastebin.ca/795405 thats what happened when i restarted networking |
| 02:30.55 | NemesisD | DawnLight, im not sure, it's now starting by default but i think its just a panel applet, i can get rid of it |
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| 02:31.08 | DawnLight | purge it |
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| 02:31.43 | CutMeOwnThroat | hmpf.... so what to do about the degraded swap |
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| 02:32.10 | NemesisD | i am inclined to think it's more than just that though |
| 02:32.48 | NemesisD | its like ra0 isn't recognized as a wireless device when i first start it up |
| 02:32.53 | DawnLight | lets check it out now that there's no network-manager |
| 02:32.53 | NemesisD | it usually requires ifconfig ra0 up |
| 02:33.15 | NemesisD | ok ill reboot and get rid of network manager, then what would i do? |
| 02:33.35 | DawnLight | ifconfig ra0 up should be launched by the ifupdown scripts |
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| 02:33.59 | Tramp | Well. I'd suggest to try to use iwconfig and ifconfig to manualy configure the interface. |
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| 02:34.14 | NemesisD | hmm... |
| 02:34.24 | Tramp | Due to this dual-boot stuff it will take close to forever to debug. |
| 02:34.31 | DawnLight | after you get rid of it... just make sure that you're interfaces file is ok and /etc/init.d/networking restart |
| 02:34.33 | DawnLight | as root |
| 02:34.39 | NemesisD | you're telling me, i wasted a whole day on this so far |
| 02:34.52 | NemesisD | ok im off to try it |
| 02:34.55 | NemesisD | be back in a min |
| 02:35.02 | ehc | should this work as in a .xbindkeysrc file "/usr/X11R6/bin/xvkbd -xsendevent -text "\[Alt_L]\[Tab]"" or is [Tab] a problem? |
| 02:35.04 | Tramp | oh lord. |
| 02:36.17 | Tramp | DawnLight: I bet my ass he's not even associated to his AP. |
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| 02:37.10 | DawnLight | Tramp: well he should be able to set make the ifupdown scripts set the mode, if that doesn't happen, he surely won't be associated |
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| 02:37.38 | CutMeOwnThroat | nobody any idea? |
| 02:37.38 | neurotic | hi all |
| 02:37.40 | Tramp | oh, he didn't set managed mode? |
| 02:37.51 | DawnLight | Tramp: http://pastebin.ca/795405 |
| 02:38.10 | neurotic | anyone have setup vlc live streaming using vlc? |
| 02:38.26 | Guerin | neurotic: many people in #videolan have |
| 02:38.28 | Tramp | DawnLight: bad. |
| 02:38.37 | Guerin | (and it's as easy as pie) |
| 02:38.37 | neurotic | Guerin, thax |
| 02:38.44 | DawnLight | Tramp: if he can scan it is probebly ok |
| 02:38.59 | Azar | CutMeOwnThroat: well, then your swap is too small for what you got |
| 02:39.05 | DawnLight | he must be doing something kinky, we'll figure it out |
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| 02:39.38 | Tramp | DawnLight: just these "reboot to debug, reboot to tell us" circles are awful. |
| 02:39.56 | DawnLight | i wonder why rtorrent doesn't even start downloading |
| 02:40.37 | DawnLight | Tramp: oh it is awful... i wonder why he's doing this using the debian live and not the normal installation |
| 02:41.03 | CutMeOwnThroat | Azar: nope - looks identical to me: http://paste.debian.net/43307 |
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| 02:41.38 | Tramp | DawnLight: I thought his target was, to setup a USB stick with Debian - but I'm not sure though. |
| 02:41.40 | CutMeOwnThroat | even start and end blocks are the same |
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| 02:41.58 | CutMeOwnThroat | the only difference is the type |
| 02:42.05 | DawnLight | Tramp: that's what i understood |
| 02:42.25 | DawnLight | can't he use the normal debian for this? |
| 02:42.59 | DawnLight | i mean, i assume he can't directly install it there, but perhaps copy the installation and make some configurations to it |
| 02:43.26 | DawnLight | by the way, it would be nice if d-i could install to a usb drive! |
| 02:43.41 | Tramp | DawnLight: hmm. not sure. However, he seems to be almost there - just networking missing. |
| 02:43.45 | Azar | CutMeOwnThroat: I vaguely remember seeing this issue with assigning a greater space than recommended.. |
| 02:44.03 | CutMeOwnThroat | ? |
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| 02:44.18 | CutMeOwnThroat | but what does the raid bother about swap? |
| 02:44.43 | DawnLight | Tramp: i don't know debian live, but perhaps it would be problematic to perform normal debian operations like using the packaging system |
| 02:44.44 | CutMeOwnThroat | well, probably having the swap mirrored is rubbish anyways |
| 02:44.51 | CutMeOwnThroat | come to think of it |
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| 02:45.01 | Azar | CutMeOwnThroat: never had raid, but my dad told me the day I was born : no matter how modern your PC will be "use swap" |
| 02:45.11 | CutMeOwnThroat | I was just doing it, because the guy who wrote the howto did it that way |
| 02:45.43 | Azar | maybe raid has a funky rules about partition size and swap in particular |
| 02:46.01 | BlueToothz | with a homelinux ircd, which would be more wise, cable or DSL |
| 02:46.09 | CutMeOwnThroat | I mean... performance should go up if you use mirroring for the swap - but so it should, if I just have 2 swap partitions on the two disks, I guess |
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| 02:46.34 | CutMeOwnThroat | only shame is, I'm not sure how to get rid of the 2nd (swap) raid partition now |
| 02:46.40 | CutMeOwnThroat | and that might cause a lot of trouble |
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| 02:47.02 | NemesisD | :| |
| 02:47.08 | CutMeOwnThroat | :/ |
| 02:47.25 | NemesisD | DawnLight, well i purged network-manager but something is still overwriting my friggn interfaces file |
| 02:47.41 | Azar | CutMeOwnThroat: google for articles: http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/articles/maximum-swappage.xml |
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| 02:47.52 | NemesisD | something is autodetecting the wireless hardware from boot and for some reason ra0 doesn't immediately show up as wireless so it gets bumped off of interfaces and im left with lo |
| 02:47.58 | DawnLight | NemesisD: i'm affraid that is probably a debian live mechanizm |
| 02:48.12 | DawnLight | NemesisD: say, why did you install debian live and not a normal debian? |
| 02:48.21 | hwdyki | is there any automated solution for backing up my system without saving every file on the system? i mean i just want to save my configs and data and a list of packages i have installed, then when i reinstall, i can give it the package list to install what i previously had, then restore my old configs/data. |
| 02:48.22 | NemesisD | it isn't really debian life |
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| 02:48.31 | NemesisD | its a customized distro of debian from pendrivelinux.com |
| 02:48.57 | DawnLight | NemesisD: well, it is customizing our ass and it isn't supported here |
| 02:49.05 | Azar | CutMeOwnThroat: http://www.xenotime.net/linux/doc/swap-mini-howto.txt , http://www.linuxhomenetworking.com/wiki/index.php/Quick_HOWTO_:_Ch26_:_Linux_Software_RAID |
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| 02:49.15 | NemesisD | and i have trouble believing that they'd be stupid enough to design one with persistence in mind, have it keep the wireless drivers but drop all the wireless interfaces on boot |
| 02:49.37 | NemesisD | DawnLight, i don't buy that because even on live if i set up the wireless interface in one session i should presumably be able to get online with it |
| 02:49.41 | Azar | wireless is still not ready for primetime |
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| 02:49.58 | DawnLight | my client crashed... |
| 02:50.06 | NemesisD | DawnLight, i don't buy that because even on live if i set up the wireless interface in one session i should presumably be able to get online with it |
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| 02:50.39 | Azar | with wireless is like chasing flies in the air |
| 02:51.15 | hwdyki | hello? |
| 02:51.29 | Tramp | NemesisD / DawnLight: Hang on for a moment. I have an idea how we might make progress here. |
| 02:51.37 | NemesisD | schweet! |
| 02:51.38 | CutMeOwnThroat | Azar: hm, the 1st article sounds pretty interesting, seems to be pre 2.6 kernel times, though |
| 02:51.53 | DawnLight | NemesisD: i suggest you figure out how to install a normal debian into your usb or disable this mechanizm that resets your configuration. i prefer the former. |
| 02:52.04 | Azar | I just saw on tv this laptop that had an additional port to hook a normal network cable, yeh, some people do things right |
| 02:52.04 | Tramp | NemesisD / DawnLight: have a look at http://pastie.caboo.se/121342 |
| 02:52.18 | Azar | CutMeOwnThroat: check the other two then |
| 02:52.34 | CutMeOwnThroat | Azar: the 2nd one sais this: Using multiple swap partitions or swap files on different disks |
| 02:52.34 | CutMeOwnThroat | has an effect of "striping" swap requests across those disks, |
| 02:52.34 | CutMeOwnThroat | similar to RAID-0 striping. |
| 02:52.38 | Tramp | NemesisD: I suggest, you try to setup your network manually and collect the debugging information. |
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| 02:53.07 | DawnLight | NemesisD: do that |
| 02:53.20 | Tramp | NemesisD: Usually I would suggest to make this step-by-step, but considering this painful debugging-cycle.... |
| 02:53.21 | Azar | CutMeOwnThroat: I never used RAID... as allways I shop for hardware that "just works" on any OS |
| 02:53.28 | NemesisD | Tramp, ok i will try that out but every time i've tried the route thing i get network is inaccessable or something along those lines, although i don't think i did it in the order described |
| 02:54.00 | NemesisD | Tramp, just my luck that my laptop's dc jack got messed up before i decided to take this project on, that would make my life a lot better |
| 02:54.06 | Tramp | NemesisD: Well, I suggest you fail to associate with your AP - i.e. setup the Layer2. |
| 02:54.44 | Tramp | NemesisD: The manual iwconfig may or may not fix this, but it makes no sense to try Layer3 unless Layer2 is set up. |
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| 02:54.51 | Azar | loving this allegory: "Envision a disk as if it were a plate, and think of the data as a cake. You have four cakes- chocolate, vanilla, cherry and strawberry-and four plates." |
| 02:55.11 | CutMeOwnThroat | Azar: what do you mean "hardware"? This is purely software - and the main point about it is, that I dont have any backups... so while a mirroring raid is not really a good replacement for backups, it'll help against a disk failure |
| 02:55.31 | NemesisD | Tramp, makes sense, i'm off to give it a go |
| 02:55.32 | CutMeOwnThroat | Azar: I'm just using two identical SATA disks... |
| 02:55.44 | Tramp | NemesisD: You may also watch dmesg or the kernlog for any sign of oddities. Unfortunately I doubt, that your router can give any insight. |
| 02:55.58 | Azar | CutMeOwnThroat: ahhhhh sorry, SATA |
| 02:56.12 | Tramp | ahrgs. |
| 02:57.01 | Azar | I thought you refer to RAID disk controller card < hardware? |
| 02:57.02 | CutMeOwnThroat | Azar: btw, this is kinda fun - look at that: http://paste.debian.net/43308 |
| 02:57.27 | CutMeOwnThroat | it's copying the stuff automatically to the original disk now, destroying all the data on it in the process :) |
| 02:57.38 | CutMeOwnThroat | so there is no way back |
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| 02:58.13 | Azar | CutMeOwnThroat: damn, next time read some documentation, howtos |
| 02:58.25 | CutMeOwnThroat | md0 is already copied - it's doing md2 now |
| 02:58.27 | Azar | pertaining to your job |
| 02:58.30 | CutMeOwnThroat | I did :) |
| 02:58.40 | CutMeOwnThroat | and it worked... |
| 02:58.43 | CutMeOwnThroat | except for the swap |
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| 02:59.11 | CutMeOwnThroat | well, the more I think about it, the swap doesnt matter... who needs mirrored swap |
| 02:59.14 | Azar | I am not sure but I think I read something about resizing partitions |
| 02:59.47 | CutMeOwnThroat | I guess I can even leave everything like it is...? |
| 03:00.15 | CutMeOwnThroat | I mean, that would make me have one swapfile in a degraded raid and the other one on sda2 |
| 03:00.27 | Azar | http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/424 |
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| 03:02.05 | SteveDondley | i'm upgrading etch and getting a funky error: see line 25/26 of http://pastebin.com/m70880c8a |
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| 03:03.05 | Azar | SteveDondley: you are upgrading from Sarge > to > Etch, or you are upgrading security packages in Etch? |
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| 03:03.22 | SteveDondley | sarge to etch |
| 03:03.33 | SteveDondley | meant to say upgrading to etch |
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| 03:04.13 | Azar | SteveDondley: you cannot use dist-upgrade for the SAME version you are running: is not good |
| 03:04.34 | SteveDondley | Azar |
| 03:04.36 | Azar | SteveDondley: you will allways use ONLY aptitude update and aptitude upgrade |
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| 03:04.43 | NemesisD | WOO |
| 03:04.46 | SteveDondley | Azar, ah, you are right |
| 03:04.57 | NemesisD | it works! |
| 03:04.57 | Azar | so try again and everything gonna be ok |
| 03:05.10 | SteveDondley | ok |
| 03:05.25 | stew | Azar: why is it not good to run dist-upgrade for the SAME version? |
| 03:05.32 | NemesisD | the only thing i have left to figure out is that nothing can take place until i ifconfig ra0 up, otherwise ra0 doesn't get recognized as a wireless device |
| 03:05.40 | stew | SteveDondley: are you following the instructions in the release notes? (/msg dpkg sarge->etch) |
| 03:05.59 | Azar | stew: because the word in #debian say is not good to play with dist-upgrade unless... you need major changes |
| 03:06.07 | Tramp | NemesisD: ? |
| 03:06.11 | SteveDondley | stew, no, just kind of running aptitude upgrade :) |
| 03:06.16 | Azar | stew: he did not moved from sarge |
| 03:06.37 | Azar | he installed/or/has etch and runs dist-upgrade just because |
| 03:06.49 | stew | Azar: what might go wrong if you run dist-upgrade? |
| 03:06.56 | DawnLight | NemesisD: i wonder what is messing up your ifupdown. perhaps that is it... you know what, you can try adding 'pre-up ifconfig ra0' catch me drift? |
| 03:07.08 | Azar | stew: exactly what he got on the screen |
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| 03:07.24 | CutMeOwnThroat | Azar: thanks, I'll add that to a list of RAID-Articles to read when I run into problems... |
| 03:07.24 | stew | Azar: so dist-upgrade might break an init script? how? |
| 03:07.26 | SteveDondley | see, the problem is that I run aptitude install linux-wlan-ng, and I keep getting that error, so I assume update isn't complete |
| 03:07.31 | SteveDondley | er, ugprade |
| 03:07.35 | NemesisD | Tramp, i wasn't able to run your first command there with iwconfig until i did ifconfig ra0 up first |
| 03:07.45 | CutMeOwnThroat | chatting with you makes me think I can leave stuff as it is without problems |
| 03:07.51 | Azar | stew: I did not say that, I just look at his error paste |
| 03:08.04 | stew | SteveDondley: what happens if you run "/etc/init.d/fam start" ? |
| 03:08.12 | NemesisD | DawnLight, but if i add that to interfaces it may get deleted again |
| 03:08.18 | NemesisD | its like my driver isn't loading or something |
| 03:08.31 | DawnLight | NemesisD: well you need to figure out what is doing that |
| 03:08.32 | SteveDondley | stew: looks like it started |
| 03:08.38 | stew | Azar: you said it is bad to run dist-upgrade, but i don't think that is the case |
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| 03:09.10 | Tramp | NemesisD: What was the error? |
| 03:09.15 | Azar | stew: I just say what others here told me: avoid running dist-upgrade instead of upgrade |
| 03:09.44 | SteveDondley | stew: but I still can't isntall anything, I get that same error about fam |
| 03:09.47 | DawnLight | NemesisD: but debugging custom versions of debian isn't supported here. see if they explain what they did to reset the interfaces |
| 03:09.50 | Azar | stew: you say is ok to run dist-upgrade every 3 weeks? |
| 03:09.56 | NemesisD | Tramp, Error for wireless request "Set ESSID" (8B1A) : SET failed on device ra0 ; Network is down. |
| 03:09.57 | stew | Azar: yes |
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| 03:10.13 | stew | Azar: as long as you pay attention to what it wants to remove, you can run it to your heart's content |
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| 03:10.30 | Azar | stew: since I have clean sources I will try |
| 03:10.34 | NemesisD | is there anything i can do to be certain that my driver is being loaded into the kernel at startup? |
| 03:11.09 | mentor | NemesisD: Look at your kernel log? |
| 03:11.12 | stew | SteveDondley: well, the postinst script claims that it is failing becuase running '/etc/init.d/fam start' is failing. can you run that over and over and have it succeed? |
| 03:11.38 | Azar | stew: isn't true that if one has sid/lenny sources due to backporting packages running dist-upgrade might lift them to another version? |
| 03:11.40 | SteveDondley | well, I ran stop and then tried the install and got no errros |
| 03:11.45 | Azar | ..half of another version |
| 03:12.05 | stew | Azar: no |
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| 03:12.26 | stew | Azar: if one was backporting they would only have deb-src lines from lenny/sid, not deb lines |
| 03:12.50 | Azar | stew: thanks for the heads up, noted :) |
| 03:12.51 | Tramp | NemesisD: Well, I think you can just put the module into /etc/modules. |
| 03:12.52 | DawnLight | NemesisD: ahm... you can check if it is loaded by 'lsmod | grep <module name>' but it is surely loaded if you have a ra0 interface |
| 03:13.10 | stew | Azar: the only difference between upgrade and dist-upgrade is that dist-upgrade is willing to install new packages or remove packages in order to try to upgrade packages, whereas upgrade might leave some "kept back" if it needs to install new packages or remove packages |
| 03:13.20 | Tramp | DawnLight: not sure, that he has the interface. |
| 03:13.28 | NemesisD | DawnLight, but is there any possible way that the whole ifconfig ra0 up is loading it? |
| 03:13.35 | Tramp | exactly. |
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| 03:14.01 | Azar | stew: yay!! does this apply to sarge too? cuz I really want my openbox upgraded! |
| 03:14.02 | stew | Azar: so if you are in a situation where "dist-upgrade" would move you from etch to lenny, then you are also in the situation where "upgrade" would move you from etch to lenny (just leaving more packages "kept back") |
| 03:14.07 | stew | Azar: it applies to all |
| 03:14.15 | NemesisD | ok yes because right now the modules rt2500 and rt61 are loaded |
| 03:14.16 | CutMeOwnThroat | ahaha... had to install grub on the old disks to be able to boot again... now it's of course gone again in the raid copy |
| 03:14.26 | DawnLight | hmm... maybe. well, that would explain the inability to set the wireless extension values |
| 03:14.27 | NemesisD | now i assume i should reboot and see if they are loaded without running ifconfig ra0 up |
| 03:14.32 | SteveDondley | anyway, looks, like I'm good now |
| 03:14.37 | DawnLight | NemesisD: wait |
| 03:14.50 | SteveDondley | stopping fam and then doing install seemed to get rid of the errir |
| 03:14.51 | DawnLight | put the names of those modules in /etc/modules |
| 03:14.54 | Tramp | NemesisD: Did you put it in /etc/modules? |
| 03:14.57 | Tramp | ah, ok. |
| 03:15.29 | NemesisD | hmm i just checked and rt2500 is in /etc/modules but not rt61 |
| 03:15.29 | stew | Azar: that being said. if you are running purely stable, running dist-upgrade and upgrade should always be the same exact operaiton |
| 03:15.35 | DawnLight | Tramp: you think it could be some package that is doing this interfaces file reset? like zeroconf or something else? |
| 03:16.02 | DawnLight | NemesisD: is rt61 the correct module? why are there two? |
| 03:16.04 | Tramp | DawnLight: no idea here, I have to admit. |
| 03:16.28 | NemesisD | im not sure why there are 2 but rt61 is definitely a ralink wlan kernel driver |
| 03:16.51 | NemesisD | so is rt2500, is it possible that i need both? |
| 03:17.15 | wols | cause ralink.com made a (shitty) GPLed driver and people with a clue started out to write another, better one which is slowly becoming usable and soon in the mainline kernel |
| 03:17.29 | NemesisD | wols, which one is the crappy driver? |
| 03:17.43 | wols | the older one from ralink.com |
| 03:17.59 | DawnLight | !rt2500 |
| 03:18.08 | NemesisD | i attempted to compile their driver but i don't think it actually finished |
| 03:18.09 | wols | http://rt2x00.serialmonkey.com/wiki/index.php?title=Main_Page |
| 03:18.20 | wols | !tell NemesisD about errors |
| 03:18.34 | NemesisD | now i don't know if i should add rt61 to modules or not |
| 03:19.20 | DawnLight | !rt61 |
| 03:19.20 | dpkg | The legacy driver for Ralink RT2561 (rt61) chipsets is at http://www.ralinktech.com.tw/data/IS_Linux_STA_6x_D_1.1.1.0.tar.gz, enhanced legacy driver is at http://rt2x00.serialmonkey.com/rt61-cvs-daily.tar.gz. Note that firmware is required for the enhanced driver: http://www.ralinktech.com.tw/data/RT61_Firmware_V1.2.zip. Also ask me about <rt2x00>. |
| 03:19.53 | DawnLight | NemesisD: which one is loaded now? |
| 03:19.56 | SteveDondley | ok, getting wireless set up, when I do ifup wlan0, I get: modprobe: Can't locate module p80211 |
| 03:20.04 | NemesisD | DawnLight, apparently both :O |
| 03:20.27 | DawnLight | ah. ahm... well... figure it out :) |
| 03:20.46 | NemesisD | this feels like the action movie where there are 2 clones and i don't know which one to shoot |
| 03:21.13 | NemesisD | but if rt61 isn't in modules, how the heck is it loading |
| 03:21.24 | DawnLight | i guess udev loads it |
| 03:21.41 | NemesisD | id think i might want to temporarily disable that and see what happens, how would i do so? |
| 03:22.50 | SteveDondley | I've configured linux-wlan-ng manually many moons ago, I'd rather avoid that if possible |
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| 03:23.13 | SteveDondley | I did aptitude install lixun-wlan-ng this time hoping it would be easier |
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| 03:24.01 | DawnLight | NemesisD: did you compile any module? |
| 03:24.33 | DawnLight | i think udev can tell you which driver is being used but i don't know how to use it |
| 03:24.41 | NemesisD | DawnLight, i made an attempt to compile ralink's crappy driver but apparently it was more successful than i thought |
| 03:25.12 | DawnLight | NemesisD: try removing that from your system |
| 03:25.30 | DawnLight | why did they make a crapy driver... |
| 03:25.58 | NemesisD | i have no idea :( |
| 03:26.07 | NemesisD | but at least they tried i guesss |
| 03:26.20 | NemesisD | this wireless card actually works out of the box under ubuntu |
| 03:26.22 | Gun_Smoke | after/some/beer/been/successful/getting/banned/from/##windows/!/!/ |
| 03:27.45 | DawnLight | careful mentioning that name here |
| 03:28.07 | DawnLight | how can you irc with beer. i can't type |
| 03:28.12 | NemesisD | what in god's name is iceweasle... |
| 03:28.20 | Gun_Smoke | lol |
| 03:28.30 | Gun_Smoke | kidding right? |
| 03:28.35 | Guerin | it must be Stupidsday again |
| 03:28.36 | DawnLight | NemesisD: ahm... it is firefox under cover |
| 03:28.44 | Gun_Smoke | 007 |
| 03:28.52 | Munchkinguy | http://www.geticeweasel.org/ |
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| 03:29.32 | NemesisD | ive never used debian before |
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| 03:29.56 | NemesisD | i just know that i grabbed firefox from the repos and up popped some frightening looking weasle |
| 03:30.15 | Gun_Smoke | hehe... sneaky... |
| 03:30.35 | Gun_Smoke | He's a good weasle... Plays nice with everyone. |
| 03:30.45 | NemesisD | brb ima reboot and see if what i've done works |
| 03:30.55 | Guerin | debian just didn't want to get firefox sucked into a jet engine |
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| 03:31.51 | Agiofws | hi |
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| 03:32.01 | Agiofws | how do you install a debian kernel ? |
| 03:32.07 | Agiofws | i am using vanilla |
| 03:32.19 | Agiofws | and havingg issues with my touch pad ? |
| 03:32.27 | Agiofws | are debian kernels precompiled ? |
| 03:33.14 | infernix | does anyone know if it's possible to disable all kernel disk + filesystem RAM caching for a specific sdX device? i was thinking of using these new SSD drives that do ~70mb/sec and massive IO for mysql. if I can somehow disable caching of the datafiles entirely, a power failure should do no or at least minimal damage. |
| 03:33.16 | squisher | does anyone here run xen? I can't get make-kpkg to execute on my xen-enabled 2.6.23 kernel, and I don't know how to build the initrd by hand... |
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| 03:33.53 | squisher | infernix: ssd drives use flash memory, right? |
| 03:33.55 | infernix | squisher: why use initrd if you build it yourself? just compile the needed drivers into the kernel |
| 03:34.04 | infernix | yeah they do. |
| 03:34.20 | squisher | are you sure they can handle that many write cycles as you will likely get without cache? |
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| 03:34.25 | DawnLight | Agiofws: well debian is all precompiled |
| 03:34.26 | dalias | infernix, linux has some kind of 'raw io' devices with no buffering that you can use |
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| 03:34.38 | squisher | yeah, I can do that, but then I need to go through the whole kernel config :) I'd prefer to just get an initrd |
| 03:34.44 | infernix | squisher: oh yes. thats urban legend |
| 03:35.01 | infernix | dalias: ah but thats deprecated in the kernel's menuconfig |
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| 03:35.29 | infernix | but i guess one could use raw devices for the mysql innodb data files |
| 03:35.35 | squisher | infernix: not an urban legend, flash at least used to have limited number of write cycles, on the range of 100,000 or so. It might have changed, that's true though |
| 03:35.36 | rares000 | is there a c reference site like there is for php? |
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| 03:35.51 | hardcampa | there's a great reference site |
| 03:35.56 | squisher | rares000: you can use "man" to look up most commands |
| 03:36.04 | SteveDondley | so, I just upgraded to etch, is there any way around building my linux-wlan-ng modules against the kernel srouce? |
| 03:36.07 | DawnLight | Agiofws: in debian, you do aptitude install linux-image-<arch> |
| 03:36.09 | hardcampa | but just because of that I have reinstalled my browser so I have too look it up, if you want |
| 03:36.17 | infernix | squisher: ancient history. i would have to continuously write at 100mb/sec for years straight to get wear to kick in, and even then there's spare flash chips to replace broken bits. |
| 03:36.21 | Azar | Agiofws: yes, precompiled |
| 03:36.33 | squisher | infernix: ah, good to know :) |
| 03:36.44 | hardcampa | http://www.cppreference.com/ that site completely owns |
| 03:36.45 | rares000 | the write cycle limit is up to 1,000,000 now |
| 03:37.01 | infernix | now if you're talking about fusionio's IOdrive that does ~100.000 IOs at ~700MB/sec, then im not sure. |
| 03:37.09 | squisher | neat, I didn't know that the problem had been solved |
| 03:37.16 | infernix | but then again i don't have any servers that have such demands... yet |
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| 03:37.30 | DawnLight | SteveDondley: if there aren't ready built modules in the repos then you'd have to build them. but it is easy |
| 03:37.57 | SteveDondley | DawnLight: I've done it before, I remember it being a giant pia |
| 03:38.00 | Azar | Agiofws: you need to compile a custom kernel? |
| 03:38.10 | SteveDondley | but do I have to download the kernel source? |
| 03:38.31 | DawnLight | SteveDondley: m-a does it all for you, actually |
| 03:38.32 | Agiofws | no |
| 03:38.33 | SteveDondley | DawnLight: how do I look for already build modules/ |
| 03:38.43 | SteveDondley | what is m-a? |
| 03:38.46 | Agiofws | stupid debian won;t see my touchpad |
| 03:38.48 | DawnLight | SteveDondley: use aptitude |
| 03:38.51 | SteveDondley | oh, module assistant |
| 03:38.56 | Agiofws | so i need a stupid precompiled kernel |
| 03:38.58 | rares000 | it's weird, I have no qualms about using classes in PHP but I am driven to ask if cpp is fast enough yet |
| 03:39.03 | Agiofws | do i apt-get it ? |
| 03:39.04 | SteveDondley | DawnLight: I did use aptitude |
| 03:39.11 | Azar | Agiofws: Sarge or Etch? |
| 03:39.16 | Agiofws | etch |
| 03:39.22 | Agiofws | even ubuntu sees it |
| 03:39.23 | DawnLight | Agiofws: the package is linux-image-<arch> |
| 03:39.30 | Agiofws | arch ? |
| 03:39.34 | Azar | Agiofws: so you have a 2.6.18kernel from the installation.. |
| 03:39.34 | DawnLight | architecture |
| 03:39.35 | rares000 | Agio no you don't if it's synaptic touchpad |
| 03:39.46 | DawnLight | Agiofws: the package is linux-image-amd64 |
| 03:40.08 | DawnLight | or i686 |
| 03:40.09 | Agiofws | rares000, its an APLS one thats what ubuntu sees |
| 03:40.18 | Agiofws | but uses synaptics and it works |
| 03:40.34 | DawnLight | Agiofws: are you using ubuntu? |
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| 03:40.55 | Agiofws | model name : Intel(R) Celeron(R) M CPU 520 @ 1.60GHz |
| 03:40.56 | Agiofws | no |
| 03:40.58 | Azar | DawnLight: I guess he meant: works in ubuntu but not in Debian Etch |
| 03:40.59 | Agiofws | debian etch |
| 03:41.09 | sander_ | Anyone know why the debian installer didnt manage to partition one of my disks?.. but fdisk and cfdisk managed to do it? |
| 03:41.13 | Agiofws | ok what precompiled kernel do i uses ? |
| 03:41.31 | Agiofws | i liked having using my own kernel |
| 03:41.53 | DawnLight | Agiofws: linux-image-<arch> is a meta-package which depends on the latest kernel |
| 03:41.59 | Agiofws | fdisk is even more powerfull |
| 03:42.10 | Agiofws | whats $arch ? |
| 03:42.10 | SteveDondley | so DawnLight, I ran aptitude install linux-wlan-ng, now what? |
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| 03:43.07 | Agiofws | linux-tree-2.6.22 - Linux kernel source tree for building Debian kernel images ? |
| 03:43.09 | wols | Agiofws: architecture, sparc or i386 or ppc, etc |
| 03:43.29 | Agiofws | lapi:/home/agiofws# apt-cache search linux-image-i386 |
| 03:43.29 | Agiofws | lapi:/home/agiofws# |
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| 03:43.36 | wols | Agiofws: you want a 686 kernel |
| 03:43.38 | DawnLight | SteveDondley: you need linux-wlan-ng-source |
| 03:43.57 | SteveDondley | DawnLight: got it, need to unzip it, though, hold on |
| 03:43.58 | wols | also possibly try a backport |
| 03:44.00 | DawnLight | SteveDondley: and build-essential |
| 03:44.01 | Agiofws | linux-image-2.6.22-3-686 - Linux 2.6.22 image on PPro/Celeron/PII/PIII/P4 ? |
| 03:44.06 | DawnLight | SteveDondley: no need to unzip nothing |
| 03:44.09 | Agiofws | ? |
| 03:44.21 | Azar | eulex |
| 03:44.23 | DawnLight | Agiofws: that is not etch |
| 03:44.28 | Azar | damn he is not here |
| 03:44.31 | SteveDondley | ok, well, I did aptitude install linux-wlan-ng-source |
| 03:44.44 | SteveDondley | I see a zipped file in /usr/src |
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| 03:44.49 | Agiofws | lapi:/home/agiofws# apt-cache search linux-image-i386 ?? |
| 03:44.50 | wols | DawnLight: etch kernels don't recognize his touchpad |
| 03:44.51 | sander_ | anyone know which partisioner the debian installer uses? |
| 03:44.58 | DawnLight | ah, sorry |
| 03:45.08 | DawnLight | i'll leave you alone Agiofws :) |
| 03:45.13 | wols | sander_: partman I think |
| 03:45.24 | Agiofws | why i'm on this touch pad for 4 days |
| 03:45.32 | CutMeOwnThroat | Azar: doh, I found the reason for the problem here: http://www.mail-archive.com/linux-raid@vger.kernel.org/msg09355.html |
| 03:45.39 | Agiofws | ubuntu is tempting me to install it over etch |
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| 03:45.40 | DawnLight | SteveDondley: hold on for a moment |
| 03:45.44 | Azar | so wols, he will need to use backports to get a higher kernel? |
| 03:45.58 | Agiofws | ok what keren |
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| 03:46.01 | Agiofws | ok what kerel |
| 03:46.04 | Azar | CutMeOwnThroat: nice job :) |
| 03:46.08 | Agiofws | and do i apt-get it ? |
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| 03:46.14 | Agiofws | where does it install ? |
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| 03:46.18 | Agiofws | do i edit grub ? |
| 03:46.23 | wols | !tell Agiofws about backports |
| 03:46.31 | Azar | Agiofws: use backports |
| 03:46.33 | DawnLight | !tell SteveDondley about linux-wlan-ng install |
| 03:46.41 | Agiofws | backports kernel ? |
| 03:46.46 | Agiofws | ahh fck |
| 03:46.48 | wols | Agiofws: you install it and reboot. that's all |
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| 03:46.50 | CutMeOwnThroat | Azar: funnily enough, this partition was never anything else, but it does look like this: brw-rw---- 1 root disk 9, 127 Nov 23 20:04 /dev/sda2 (instead of 8,2) weird |
| 03:46.59 | Agiofws | i use vanialla all the way |
| 03:47.03 | Agiofws | but still no hope |
| 03:47.11 | Agiofws | ok what backport kerel ? |
| 03:47.15 | Azar | Agiofws: is not hard, you only need to read howto carefully |
| 03:47.37 | Azar | !backports |
| 03:47.37 | dpkg | backport is probably a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and ABI complications. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-package.en.html#s-port or http://backports.org/ or http://www.apt-get.org/ or ask me about <simple sid backport> and <backport caveat>, or <backports.org> |
| 03:48.25 | sander_ | What do I need to do.. to be able to switch two disks with os in raid1 (mdadm) |
| 03:48.40 | Azar | Agiofws: this way you get a 2.6.22 kernel that has support for more hardware (your touchpad) |
| 03:49.10 | Agiofws | Azar, how do i search for a backported kernel ? |
| 03:49.24 | SteveDondley | DawnLight: where are the source files I downloaded, the ones I see aren't them |
| 03:49.38 | SteveDondley | the ones I'm looking at are ones I downloaded a long time ago |
| 03:49.58 | Azar | Agiofws: you need to follow the instructions on the links above, prepare for it then apt-cache search linux-image.... that works for your cpu architecture |
| 03:50.14 | DawnLight | SteveDondley: you need not do anything but follow the instructions dpkg gave you |
| 03:50.41 | SteveDondley | ok, how do I hunt down those instructions then? |
| 03:50.52 | DawnLight | !tell SteveDondley about linux-wlan-ng install |
| 03:51.17 | SteveDondley | DawnLight: oh, I see what you did. thanks |
| 03:51.26 | Agiofws | You have searched for kernel in packages names and descriptions in suite(s) etch-backports, all sections, and all architectures (including subword matching). Found 1 matching packages. |
| 03:51.28 | Agiofws | ? |
| 03:51.40 | DawnLight | SteveDondley: tell me if it worked |
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| 03:51.51 | SteveDondley | ok |
| 03:52.22 | sander_ | http://frekk.linux.dk/smart_sdb_error.txt <-- is theese error messages indicating an faulty disk? |
| 03:52.23 | Agiofws | apt-get -t etch-backports install “package” |
| 03:52.25 | CutMeOwnThroat | well, lets see, if I can still boot |
| 03:52.27 | SteveDondley | I've never heard of this mod-asst til tonight |
| 03:52.36 | CutMeOwnThroat | laters (maybe much laters ...) |
| 03:52.39 | DawnLight | SteveDondley: debian rules |
| 03:52.51 | Agiofws | apt-get -t etch-backports install linux-image-686 ? |
| 03:53.25 | SteveDondley | DawnLight: I've been using debian since 2001. I'm still clueless :( |
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| 03:53.32 | SteveDondley | ok, I get an error |
| 03:54.18 | SteveDondley | Bad luck, the kernel headers for the target kernel version could not be found and you did not specify other valid kernel headers to use. |
| 03:54.33 | Azar | Agiofws: you ever tried to configure your xorg so your touchpad get working? |
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| 03:54.52 | Agiofws | Azar, 4 days now |
| 03:55.04 | SteveDondley | DawnLight: but it seems to tell me what to do |
| 03:55.14 | Agiofws | its not in /proc/bus/input/devices though |
| 03:55.23 | Agiofws | Azar, lapi:/boot/grub# apt-get -t etch-backports install linux-image-686 |
| 03:55.36 | Agiofws | ok no new issues in menu.lst |
| 03:55.41 | Agiofws | nothing new grub |
| 03:55.48 | Agiofws | so how is it going to boot ? |
| 03:55.59 | SteveDondley | installing kernel headers now |
| 03:56.01 | Azar | I don't think that's how you install it |
| 03:56.21 | Agiofws | can't i just download the friken kernel ? |
| 03:56.23 | Azar | Agiofws: did you edit your sources.list? |
| 03:56.27 | DawnLight | SteveDondley: with a little will and countless hours, you'll 'get' debian |
| 03:56.28 | Agiofws | yes |
| 03:56.51 | SteveDondley | I've got both, the problem is I only dabble with its innards |
| 03:56.56 | Azar | Agiofws: apt-cache search linux-kernel-2.6.22-your cpu architecture |
| 03:57.18 | Agiofws | deb http://www.backports.org/debian etch-backports main contrib non-free |
| 03:57.20 | wols | Agiofws: dpkg -l |grep linux-image and cat /etc/kernel-img.conf |
| 03:57.32 | Azar | when you see a line that looks like 2.6.22 and bears your cpu architecture, copy it then do : aptitude install linux-kernel-blablablabla |
| 03:57.57 | Agiofws | lapi:/boot/grub# apt-cache search linux-kernel-2.6.22-686 |
| 03:57.58 | Agiofws | lapi:/boot/grub# |
| 03:58.22 | Azar | huh no 2.6.22? |
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| 03:58.58 | wols | Agiofws: there is no linux-kernel in debian |
| 03:59.00 | ehc | what is the keysyms code for tab? [Tab]? |
| 03:59.13 | wols | Agiofws: pastebin the output of the commands I gave you |
| 03:59.25 | Azar | ahd ddumb me!!! linux-image |
| 03:59.29 | Azar | sorry wols |
| 03:59.53 | Agiofws | wols, can i PM ? |
| 04:00.02 | wols | no, but you can use a pastebin |
| 04:00.03 | Jyzygzy- | what is a good command to add users? |
| 04:00.05 | Azar | don't pm wols, gonna get upset |
| 04:00.06 | SteveDondley | DawnLight: it tells me to install this package: kernel-headers-2.4.27-2-386 but aptitude tells me is no package by that name |
| 04:00.12 | wols | Jyzygzy-: adduser |
| 04:00.17 | Jyzygzy- | with what atributes? |
| 04:00.21 | Agiofws | lapi:/etc/apt# apt-cache search linux-image-2.6.22-686 |
| 04:00.21 | Agiofws | lapi:/etc/apt# |
| 04:00.26 | wols | SteveDondley: are you running sarge? |
| 04:00.39 | SteveDondley | SteveDondley: I upgraded from sarge today |
| 04:00.48 | SteveDondley | or I think I did, at least |
| 04:00.48 | Azar | Agiofws: apt-cache search linux-image |
| 04:00.53 | wols | SteveDondley: do it again. this time properly |
| 04:01.03 | Jyzygzy- | what are good atributes for adduser |
| 04:01.11 | DawnLight | SteveDondley: you have an older kernel |
| 04:01.12 | Azar | Jyzygzy-: adduser Jyzygzy- |
| 04:01.13 | wols | Jyzygzy-: man adduser |
| 04:01.22 | hardcampa | adduser hardcampa |
| 04:01.22 | DawnLight | SteveDondley: etch has 2.6.18 |
| 04:01.30 | Jyzygzy- | ic |
| 04:01.40 | SteveDondley | DawnLight: yeah, I rolled my own kernel (no idea how I figured out how to do that) |
| 04:01.48 | SteveDondley | so how do I get rid of this old kernel? |
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| 04:01.56 | SteveDondley | need change how the computer boots, right? |
| 04:02.05 | wols | SteveDondley: I doubt it. 2.4.27-2 is a sarge kernel, not a custom one |
| 04:02.09 | DawnLight | SteveDondley: just aptitude install linux-image-<arch> |
| 04:02.15 | wols | SteveDondley: you simply install a new kernel |
| 04:02.29 | Agiofws | wols, http://rafb.net/p/ac7haX26.html |
| 04:02.31 | wols | SteveDondley: what cpu do you have? |
| 04:02.32 | SteveDondley | ok, any ideas why this kernel wasn't upgraded? |
| 04:02.41 | SteveDondley | I got a pentium |
| 04:02.45 | Azar | :) |
| 04:02.56 | wols | what kind of pentium? there are a dozen different ones |
| 04:03.04 | wols | also, how exactly did you upgrade? |
| 04:03.06 | Azar | SteveDondley: when you go up one version, you also install the kernel that the new version runs |
| 04:03.11 | wols | !tell SteveDondley about sarge->etch |
| 04:03.12 | Agiofws | linux-image-2.6.22-3-686 - Linux 2.6.22 image on PPro/Celeron/PII/PIII/P4 |
| 04:03.14 | Agiofws | ? |
| 04:03.15 | SteveDondley | wols: I knew at one time. this is an old box I barely touch |
| 04:03.37 | wols | cat /proc/cpuinfo and you will know again |
| 04:03.47 | Azar | wols, is the 2.6.22 gonna fix his touchpad? |
| 04:03.47 | SteveDondley | celeron, according ot the sticker on the outside |
| 04:03.56 | SteveDondley | ok, let me look |
| 04:03.56 | Agiofws | hey guys just tell me how to download the the stupid kernel and i'll do it manually in grub and boot |
| 04:04.03 | wols | SteveDondley: get a 686 kernel then |
| 04:04.19 | SteveDondley | cpu family: 6, celeron |
| 04:04.23 | wols | !tell Agiofws about grounding |
| 04:04.28 | SteveDondley | wols: ok |
| 04:04.47 | SteveDondley | aptitude install linux-image-686 |
| 04:04.57 | SteveDondley | heh, wrong box |
| 04:04.57 | DawnLight | !tell Agiofws about tdw |
| 04:04.59 | Agiofws | cani do that aswell ? |
| 04:05.16 | Azar | SteveDondley: linux-image what version number? :) |
| 04:05.33 | Agiofws | yes but i think basic stuuf should be done the vannilla way |
| 04:05.35 | DawnLight | Azar: no need for a version number |
| 04:05.39 | SteveDondley | Azar: don't understand the question |
| 04:05.50 | DawnLight | Agiofws: you'd be surprised |
| 04:05.55 | SteveDondley | k, new kernel image is coming at me |
| 04:05.55 | Azar | DawnLight: oh Etch will get it automatically? |
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| 04:06.07 | Agiofws | apt-get install linux-image-686 ? |
| 04:06.22 | Agiofws | but from backports ? |
| 04:06.24 | wols | Azar: no. there is a (meta) package lanmed linux-image-$cpu |
| 04:06.29 | Agiofws | i have to issue it ? |
| 04:06.30 | SteveDondley | so, now why wouldn't the upgrade install the kernel for me, because I rolled my own? |
| 04:06.37 | DawnLight | !info linux-image-686 |
| 04:06.41 | Azar | I see |
| 04:06.41 | dpkg | linux-image-686: (Linux image on PPro/Celeron/PII/PIII/P4), section admin, is optional. Version: 2.6.22+11 (sid), Packaged size: 2 kB, Installed size: 8 kB |
| 04:06.53 | wols | SteveDondley: you didn't. 2.4.27-2-386 is a sarge krenel. NOT a custom one |
| 04:06.57 | Agiofws | apt-get -t etch-backports install “package” |
| 04:07.01 | SteveDondley | wols: oh, right |
| 04:07.04 | Agiofws | tahst what i did guys |
| 04:07.19 | SteveDondley | I thought I built my own, but so why didn't the kernel get upgraded then? |
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| 04:07.31 | Azar | Agiofws: the command to install a package, be it kernel or whatnot is: aptitude install <packagename> |
| 04:07.33 | wols | Agiofws: read more docs, do less whining and cajooling here |
| 04:07.48 | wols | SteveDondley: I asked you how you upgraded exactly |
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| 04:08.14 | Agiofws | Azar, i think you can use apt-get aswell its the same thing |
| 04:08.18 | Azar | Agiofws: so to spoonfed you: aptitude install linux-image-2.6.22-3-686 |
| 04:08.34 | wols | !tell Agiofws about why aptitude |
| 04:08.36 | SteveDondley | typed in aptitude dist-upgrade a couple dozen of time, and apt-get upgrade a few times, too |
| 04:08.39 | Azar | Agiofws: thats how i do it, do whatever you want |
| 04:08.47 | wols | SteveDondley: and this was wrong |
| 04:08.54 | SteveDondley | ok |
| 04:08.55 | wols | !tell SteveDondley about sarge->etch |
| 04:09.02 | Agiofws | apt-get -t etch-backports install linux-image-686 |
| 04:09.02 | Agiofws | Reading package lists... Done |
| 04:09.02 | Agiofws | Building dependency tree... Done |
| 04:09.02 | Agiofws | linux-image-686 is already the newest version. |
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| 04:09.16 | Azar | ouch |
| 04:09.24 | Agiofws | but no new kernel image in /boot |
| 04:09.31 | Agiofws | no new grub entry |
| 04:09.33 | Azar | so you already have it |
| 04:09.37 | wols | Agiofws: for tha LAST time: dpkg -l |grep linux-image |
| 04:09.42 | Agiofws | where the hell di it go ? |
| 04:09.52 | Azar | Agiofws: listen and follow wols |
| 04:09.54 | wols | Agiofws: also, why are you too dumb to paste a line spoonfed to you? |
| 04:10.02 | Agiofws | wols, didn't see my pastebin ? |
| 04:10.05 | |AmEn| | How to fix this error?!?! checking for X... configure: error: Can't find X libraries. Please check your installation and add the correct paths! |
| 04:10.06 | SteveDondley | ok, crap, didn't know aptitude dist-upgrade doesn't work |
| 04:10.27 | Agiofws | wols, http://rafb.net/p/ac7haX26.html |
| 04:10.35 | Agiofws | there it is |
| 04:10.39 | SteveDondley | you know, when I boot, I do have the choice between two kernels, come to think of it, maybe one of them is the one I built |
| 04:10.44 | wols | Agiofws: itii linux-image-686 2.6.22+11~bpo.1 Linux image on PPro/Celeron/PII/PIII/P4 |
| 04:10.52 | wols | it's installed as you can see |
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| 04:10.56 | Agiofws | yes |
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| 04:11.02 | Agiofws | but its not in grub |
| 04:11.12 | NemesisD | man if i find the process that keeps friggn changing my interfaces file... |
| 04:11.20 | wols | cat /boot/menu.lst then |
| 04:11.31 | wols | NemesisD: gnome network manager? |
| 04:11.48 | NemesisD | got rid of that |
| 04:11.59 | NemesisD | there is network-admin though i believe |
| 04:12.03 | NemesisD | but im not sure if that's it |
| 04:12.20 | NemesisD | i've found that the "crappy" rt61 driver is the one that's actually working |
| 04:12.23 | NemesisD | go figure |
| 04:12.24 | SteveDondley | wols: so you are referring to http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/release-notes/ap-old-stuff.en.html#s-old-upgrade? I pretty much did that |
| 04:12.29 | Agiofws | wols, http://rafb.net/p/LC6dSx93.html |
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| 04:12.53 | Agiofws | so if you could only tell tell me where the kernels get installed |
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| 04:12.59 | Azar | Agiofws: did you reboot after installing the new 2.6.22 kernel? |
| 04:13.08 | Agiofws | the debian one ? |
| 04:13.09 | CutMeOwnThroat | ah, very well, everything seems to work |
| 04:13.10 | Agiofws | no |
| 04:13.15 | Azar | so reboot |
| 04:13.34 | Agiofws | it won't wipe out my existing menu.lst will it ? |
| 04:13.41 | SteveDondley | wols: got image, now rebooting |
| 04:13.46 | wols | rename your menu.lst to something else and run update-grub |
| 04:13.50 | wols | then check the new menu.lst |
| 04:14.08 | Agiofws | thats why i hate automization |
| 04:14.27 | wols | and we hate people who install packages, kernels even from other distros |
| 04:14.42 | Agiofws | wols, i ONLY use vanilla kernels |
| 04:14.52 | CutMeOwnThroat | so much hate in this world |
| 04:14.58 | CutMeOwnThroat | ain't it tragic? |
| 04:15.01 | Agiofws | the one in menu list was just testing |
| 04:15.08 | SteveDondley | ok, see 2 kernels on boot, one of them is the new one |
| 04:15.18 | wols | title Debian GNU/Linux, ubutu-kernel 2.6.22.6 is debian. yeah right |
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| 04:15.22 | SteveDondley | the old kernel was 386, guess I screwed up the first time around |
| 04:15.35 | wols | Agiofws: also: title Debian GNU/Linux, kernel 2.6.22.6 |
| 04:15.43 | NemesisD | wols, could it be wpa_supplicant or do i need that |
| 04:15.45 | Agiofws | wols, i AM 4 days now ono trying to get my touch pad to scroll |
| 04:15.53 | Agiofws | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:16.09 | wols | Agiofws: the backports krenel is in your menu.lst btw |
| 04:16.29 | SteveDondley | what's the easiest way to dsiabled x11? rc.d? |
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| 04:16.40 | wols | SteveDondley: the 386 kernel comes directly from the sarge installer. just like a 486 one from etch installer |
| 04:16.50 | wols | !tell SteveDondley about nodm |
| 04:17.09 | SteveDondley | damn, thanks |
| 04:18.20 | Agiofws | wols, http://rafb.net/p/engAqF96.html < after running update-grub |
| 04:18.24 | SteveDondley | doin' the old m-a i-a linux-wlan-ng now |
| 04:18.32 | Agiofws | an no it was not it was the vanilla kernel |
| 04:18.39 | SteveDondley | now, did sarge have m-a? |
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| 04:18.44 | Agiofws | if wre referingto the first kernel |
| 04:18.53 | Agiofws | where is the backported one ? |
| 04:19.19 | SteveDondley | dudes, looks like it's working! |
| 04:19.29 | wols | Agiofws: pastebin all of your menu.lst. not just the last few lines. if you remove the ubutu kernel, it will be seen with your way of pasting again |
| 04:20.01 | SteveDondley | it's building linux-wlan-ng now |
| 04:20.16 | Agiofws | let me remove the ubuntu shit |
| 04:20.31 | SteveDondley | hey, I got my mother-in-law on ubuntu |
| 04:20.44 | NemesisD | how do i add a superuser? |
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| 04:20.57 | wols | SteveDondley: you already have one |
| 04:21.06 | NemesisD | i think this thing is logging me in as root which i don't really care for |
| 04:21.11 | SteveDondley | already have what? |
| 04:21.16 | wols | NemesisD: whoami |
| 04:21.30 | NemesisD | wols, apparently im user |
| 04:21.31 | wols | SteveDondley: meant NemesisD |
| 04:21.45 | wols | NemesisD: id then |
| 04:21.54 | wols | NemesisD: what UID does it display? |
| 04:22.04 | NemesisD | 999 |
| 04:22.17 | Agiofws | Searching for splash image ... none found, skipping ... |
| 04:22.17 | Agiofws | Found kernel: /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.18-5-686 |
| 04:22.17 | Agiofws | Updating /boot/grub/menu.lst ... done |
| 04:22.22 | wols | NemesisD: what debian vresion is this? dpkg -l libc6|tail -1 |
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| 04:22.52 | NemesisD | 2.3.6.ds1-13 |
| 04:22.57 | NemesisD | i believe its etch |
| 04:23.00 | DarkBahamut | hello everyone |
| 04:23.23 | DawnLight | NemesisD: how's it goin' |
| 04:23.36 | DawnLight | SteveDondley: did you make it? |
| 04:24.04 | SteveDondley | it got built |
| 04:24.04 | SteveDondley | now i have to figure out how to configure networkign I guess |
| 04:24.04 | NemesisD | DawnLight, i think i've decided that rt61 is the driver that's working for me, but i guess i need to maybe add at least iwconfig ra0 up to init.rd or something |
| 04:24.06 | SteveDondley | when I do ifup, I get errors still |
| 04:24.43 | DawnLight | SteveDondley: ahm... hold on, i'll give you my /etc/network/interfaces for an example |
| 04:25.17 | SteveDondley | I see sit0 interface now |
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| 04:25.34 | wols | NemesisD: debian UIDs normally start at 1000. there shouldn't be a UID 999 |
| 04:25.45 | DawnLight | SteveDondley: http://pastebin.ca/795362 |
| 04:25.50 | wols | !tell SteveDondley about errors |
| 04:25.53 | wols | sit0 is irrelevant |
| 04:26.05 | Agiofws | wols, thats the whole menu.lst http://rafb.net/p/UpjYEO21.html |
| 04:26.11 | Agiofws | no point though |
| 04:26.14 | DawnLight | brb |
| 04:26.25 | DarkBahamut | hey everyone, what will happen to the grub boot menu if i installed 3 different operating systems? i have 2 right now and i deleted everything except what i have now from the boot menu |
| 04:26.40 | NemesisD | wols, so would i create a new user then? |
| 04:26.47 | SteveDondley | DawnLight: I still have my old entry from sarge |
| 04:26.51 | zinx | DarkBahamut: what do you expect will happen? |
| 04:26.52 | SteveDondley | I think that should still work, right? |
| 04:26.53 | Agiofws | can you tell me where the precompiled kernel got downloaded to ? |
| 04:26.54 | Agiofws | wols, ? |
| 04:27.06 | wols | Agiofws: as all kernels: /boot |
| 04:27.06 | SteveDondley | my old eth1 entry, i mean |
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| 04:27.19 | wols | if it isn't there you screwed up since dpkg says it's installed |
| 04:27.50 | Agiofws | wols, |
| 04:27.51 | wols | DarkBahamut: can you explain a bit more? |
| 04:27.54 | DarkBahamut | zinx: i dont know if windows will replace it with its own or if it will not be listed on the grub menu |
| 04:27.54 | Agiofws | lapi:/boot# ls -l 2.6.22.6 |
| 04:27.54 | Agiofws | -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 1287856 2007-10-02 14:11 2.6.22.6 |
| 04:27.54 | Agiofws | lapi:/boot# |
| 04:27.55 | Agiofws | ? |
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| 04:28.09 | DawnLight | SteveDondley: eth1 isn't wireless |
| 04:28.10 | Agiofws | is that it ? |
| 04:28.12 | zinx | DarkBahamut: anything you put in menu.lst will be listed |
| 04:28.27 | wols | Agiofws: it most probably is but the naming is very nonstandard |
| 04:28.33 | zinx | DarkBahamut: windows will only replace grub if you have it overwrite the MBR (i.e., you install it or run the program that overwrites the mbr) |
| 04:28.46 | SteveDondley | sorry, wlan0 |
| 04:28.50 | Agiofws | yes thats what i thought so aswell |
| 04:29.10 | DawnLight | SteveDondley: well, i don't know sarge, but i know etch so let me see that file |
| 04:29.11 | Agiofws | you think i should try it ? |
| 04:29.13 | Agiofws | wols, ? |
| 04:29.20 | SteveDondley | k |
| 04:29.32 | DarkBahamut | wols: right now i have Debian and Windows Vista and i deleted all other from the grub boot menu |
| 04:29.54 | DarkBahamut | wols: i wanna install one more OS WIndows Server 2003 |
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| 04:30.01 | DawnLight | SteveDondley: and you can look at my example also and see for yourself. ath0 is the wireless |
| 04:30.08 | wols | Agiofws: http://packages.debian.org/etch-backports/linux-image-2.6.22-3-686/i386/filelist see how the files should be named? |
| 04:30.14 | SteveDondley | DawnLight: http://pastebin.com/m280136eb |
| 04:30.26 | SteveDondley | ok, I will copy your except for the iptable stuff |
| 04:30.44 | SteveDondley | do I change anything in /etc/wlan? |
| 04:30.45 | wols | DarkBahamut: you can. you might have to edit your grub menu.lst or maybe not. hard to tell: this is no #windows channel |
| 04:30.50 | wols | but it will work, no worries |
| 04:30.57 | ddalton | ok well I have lost tts on my box. How can I start from scratch. so I just have the old kernel and how do I get rid of everything to do with speechd-up and speech-dispatcher? |
| 04:31.07 | ddalton | like config files |
| 04:31.08 | ddalton | conf |
| 04:31.09 | Agiofws | vmlinuz-2.6.22-3-686 |
| 04:31.10 | Agiofws | ? |
| 04:31.39 | wols | DarkBahamut: you uninstall and purge speedh-up and speechd-dispather |
| 04:31.46 | wols | Agiofws: yes |
| 04:31.58 | DarkBahamut | wols: ? |
| 04:32.01 | wols | ddalton: config files are deleted when you purge a package |
| 04:32.04 | ddalton | ok how do I get rid of my speakup kernel. |
| 04:32.16 | wols | ddalton: how did you install it? |
| 04:32.19 | DawnLight | SteveDondley: yours seems fine |
| 04:32.31 | ddalton | I just ran dpkg -i linux-image-2.6.18-4-speakup-686.deb |
| 04:32.34 | DawnLight | SteveDondley: but i don't know what /etc/wlan is |
| 04:32.35 | wols | if via .deb package, you can uninstall it with dpkg or aptitude as usual |
| 04:32.36 | ddalton | to install |
| 04:32.38 | SteveDondley | wireless-ap is the key? |
| 04:32.47 | wols | ddalton: yes |
| 04:32.56 | SteveDondley | I notice the keys are different |
| 04:33.04 | ddalton | ok so whats the command to remove the kernel? |
| 04:33.05 | SteveDondley | mine has underscores, yours has dashes |
| 04:33.06 | wols | DarkBahamut: just install your windows server |
| 04:33.16 | DawnLight | SteveDondley: wireless-ap is the mac address of the access point |
| 04:33.21 | ddalton | then do I just type apt-get remove speechd-up and apt-get remove speech-dispatcher? |
| 04:33.22 | wols | ddalton: the same as for removing any other package |
| 04:33.31 | ddalton | whats that? dpkg -u? |
| 04:33.35 | ddalton | dpkg-r |
| 04:33.36 | wols | ddalton: I told you, you PURGE |
| 04:33.36 | ddalton | ? |
| 04:33.43 | wols | man ddalton |
| 04:33.46 | ddalton | whats that? |
| 04:33.48 | SteveDondley | oh, right, where does the key go, then? |
| 04:33.50 | wols | man dpkg rather |
| 04:34.07 | ddalton | I can't read man pages atm |
| 04:34.09 | DarkBahamut | wols: k |
| 04:34.16 | wols | ddalton: you can irc |
| 04:34.29 | DawnLight | SteveDondley: i don't know because i've never used one but it might be that your current file is ok |
| 04:34.32 | Agiofws | wols, its not getting installed in boot |
| 04:34.32 | wols | DarkBahamut: the windows install will overwrite your grub anyways |
| 04:34.42 | Agiofws | i removed and reinstalled |
| 04:34.43 | ddalton | Im on win on irc and only have a basic driver thing for braille. It takes for ever to navigate the man stuff |
| 04:34.44 | DarkBahamut | wols: im still downloading it so i was just asking b4 i did anything |
| 04:35.10 | wols | DarkBahamut: downloading windows server? tut tut... |
| 04:35.18 | wols | DarkBahamut: we pretend we didn't see that |
| 04:35.19 | Agiofws | lapi:/boot# apt-get -t etch-backports remove linux-image-686 |
| 04:35.20 | Agiofws | Reading package lists... Done |
| 04:35.37 | DawnLight | but SteveDondley now i notice that mine uses dashes and yours uses underscores |
| 04:35.45 | ddalton | ok can someone tell me how to remove the following: -speakup kernel -speechd-up -speech-dispatcher -espeak and then I can start from scratch? |
| 04:35.47 | wols | Agiofws: install linux-image-2.6.22-3-686 explicitly |
| 04:35.47 | ddalton | and flite. |
| 04:35.59 | SteveDondley | DawnLight: when I try to bring it up, I get SIOCSIFADDR: No such device |
| 04:36.02 | ddalton | I guess for everything except the kernel its apt-get remove |
| 04:36.06 | DarkBahamut | wols: o.O is that a bad thing? |
| 04:36.09 | wols | SteveDondley: ifconfig -a |
| 04:36.14 | SteveDondley | I dont' think debian sees the driver |
| 04:36.16 | SteveDondley | ok |
| 04:36.20 | DawnLight | SteveDondley: does ifconfig -a show you the device |
| 04:36.28 | wols | DarkBahamut: windows OSes are rarely downloaded |
| 04:36.31 | SteveDondley | aw, crap, let me restart |
| 04:36.45 | Agiofws | E: Couldn't find package linux-image-3-686 |
| 04:36.47 | DawnLight | SteveDondley: what why |
| 04:36.49 | DarkBahamut | wols: not where im getting it from |
| 04:36.59 | DawnLight | !tell SteveDondley about reboot |
| 04:37.05 | Agiofws | apt-get -t etch-backports install linux-image-3-686 |
| 04:37.21 | wols | Agiofws: learn to read what you are told |
| 04:37.40 | SteveDondley | DawnLight: no, I meant restart networking |
| 04:37.46 | Agiofws | yes ok |
| 04:37.50 | Agiofws | its downloading |
| 04:37.52 | DawnLight | ah sorry |
| 04:38.03 | ddalton | can someone just tell me how to remove one of my kernels? |
| 04:38.11 | Agiofws | srry wols |
| 04:38.14 | DawnLight | ddalton: use aptitude |
| 04:38.17 | wols | ddalton: aptitude remove |
| 04:38.37 | ddalton | aptitude remove linux-image-name.deb? |
| 04:38.38 | SteveDondley | DawnLight: have a look: http://pastebin.com/m690b6c43 |
| 04:38.41 | wols | !purge |
| 04:38.41 | dpkg | from memory, purge is to completely wipe away a package, including its config files. Use aptitude purge [package] or if you already removed package with apt-get remove, and forgot config files you can use 'dpkg -P <package>' to remove configs. To purge all config files of all removed packages: aptitude purge '~c', or see <confmiss> about restoring individual config files |
| 04:38.51 | SteveDondley | it still says eth0/eth1 |
| 04:38.53 | Agiofws | wols, thats not a precompiled kernel |
| 04:39.02 | Agiofws | thats a kernel |
| 04:39.03 | wols | Agiofws: what isn't? |
| 04:39.04 | DawnLight | SteveDondley: perhaps the module isn't loaded |
| 04:39.09 | Agiofws | Need to get 18.3MB of archives. |
| 04:39.09 | Agiofws | After unpacking 55.2MB of additional disk space will be used. |
| 04:39.17 | DawnLight | SteveDondley: try 'lsmod | grep wlan' |
| 04:39.19 | SteveDondley | yeah, don't have i Have to modprobe or something like that |
| 04:39.37 | DarkBahamut | wols: do you use linux only? |
| 04:39.38 | Agiofws | are we talking about precompiled stuff ? |
| 04:39.39 | SteveDondley | nothign comes up |
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| 04:39.51 | Agiofws | ? |
| 04:40.04 | wols | DarkBahamut: no. I use windows too |
| 04:40.08 | SteveDondley | DawnLight: I see p80211 |
| 04:40.09 | DawnLight | SteveDondley: 'modprobe -l | grep wlan' to see which module to load |
| 04:40.11 | Agiofws | ? |
| 04:40.15 | SteveDondley | that is the module I need, I believe |
| 04:40.20 | DawnLight | you think |
| 04:40.21 | DarkBahamut | wols: cool, what version? |
| 04:40.32 | wols | DarkBahamut: how is this debian related? |
| 04:40.38 | SteveDondley | I get 4 *.ko files |
| 04:40.41 | wols | SteveDondley: lspci |
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| 04:40.48 | |AmEn| | when i try to install libsys2-dev , i got error say me there is dependency form libcups2 (=1.2.7-4) but 1.2.7-4etch1 will be install, i have already this libcups2! |
| 04:40.51 | DarkBahamut | wols: its not im just asking XD |
| 04:40.59 | |AmEn| | i have etch i386 |
| 04:41.06 | wols | !tell amphi about bat |
| 04:41.08 | SteveDondley | 01:08.0 Network controller: Intersil Corporation Prism 2.5 Wavelan chipset (rev 01) |
| 04:41.19 | wols | !tell |AmEn| about bat |
| 04:41.38 | wols | SteveDondley: iwconfig and iwlist |
| 04:41.40 | Agiofws | wols am i downloading sources ? |
| 04:42.00 | Agiofws | ok probably not |
| 04:42.01 | SteveDondley | yeah, iwconfig returns eth1 |
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| 04:42.17 | SteveDondley | I need to configure as eth1, DawnLight |
| 04:42.38 | DawnLight | SteveDondley: you saying eth1 is your wireless nic? |
| 04:42.46 | SteveDondley | DawnLight: yeah |
| 04:42.48 | wols | DarkBahamut: at least iwconfig does |
| 04:42.58 | wols | DawnLight: ^^ |
| 04:43.03 | DarkBahamut | lol |
| 04:43.08 | DawnLight | ahm... well, try it |
| 04:43.20 | DawnLight | but i wonder whether that is on purpose |
| 04:43.22 | DarkBahamut | gotta love tab :D |
| 04:43.33 | SteveDondley | fuck yeah, guys! |
| 04:43.35 | SteveDondley | working |
| 04:43.38 | DarkBahamut | ? |
| 04:43.39 | wols | DarkBahamut: it's normal when there is a wired NIC as there usually is |
| 04:43.40 | DarkBahamut | o |
| 04:43.46 | SteveDondley | what took me 2 or 3 days last time, now took 2 or 3 hours! |
| 04:43.50 | DarkBahamut | ? |
| 04:43.53 | wols | *sigh* |
| 04:43.56 | DawnLight | hehe |
| 04:44.03 | SteveDondley | you guys rock |
| 04:44.07 | SteveDondley | thanks |
| 04:44.07 | DarkBahamut | lol |
| 04:44.11 | DawnLight | we rock your world baby |
| 04:44.45 | DawnLight | have fun and don't forget to visit |
| 04:44.49 | SteveDondley | yeah |
| 04:45.00 | SteveDondley | should paypal you guys some cash |
| 04:45.13 | wols | SteveDondley: paypaly it to debian (or rather SPI) |
| 04:45.15 | DawnLight | just donate to debian |
| 04:45.22 | SteveDondley | yeah, good idea |
| 04:45.37 | SteveDondley | I will do that now |
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| 04:45.40 | wols | http://www.spi-inc.org/donations |
| 04:45.42 | Agiofws | ok wols going for a reboot |
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| 04:46.20 | DarkBahamut | how often is a new Debian Etch released? |
| 04:46.44 | wols | once only |
| 04:46.55 | wols | after tat it's not etch anymore but it will be lenny |
| 04:47.04 | SteveDondley | huh, didn't know spi oversees debian |
| 04:47.19 | DarkBahamut | cool when does lenny come out? |
| 04:47.22 | SteveDondley | oh, shit, they do drupal,too |
| 04:47.22 | wols | SteveDondley: it doesn't oversee. it only holds a few financial things |
| 04:47.24 | SteveDondley | interesting |
| 04:47.30 | wols | !tell DarkBahamut about wir |
| 04:47.38 | SteveDondley | my biz is based on drupal |
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| 04:48.10 | DarkBahamut | some help you are dpkg... |
| 04:48.15 | DarkBahamut | lol jk jk |
| 04:48.53 | wols | debian has no release schedules |
| 04:49.06 | wols | history tells us it'S 2-3 years between releases |
| 04:49.35 | DarkBahamut | o well thats not too bad |
| 04:49.56 | DarkBahamut | how old is etch? |
| 04:50.08 | DawnLight | old |
| 04:50.30 | wols | !etch |
| 04:50.30 | dpkg | Etch is the code name for the current stable Debian release, version 4.0, released on April 8th, 2007. Ask me about <install debian>. Please read the release notes at http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/releasenotes which also contain the upgrade procedure for upgrading from the previous version of Debian stable (<sarge>). |
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| 04:51.01 | Agiofws | ok |
| 04:51.11 | Agiofws | precompiled kernel works |
| 04:51.18 | DawnLight | surprised? |
| 04:51.23 | Agiofws | but stil my touchpad |
| 04:51.30 | Agiofws | is not reconginzed |
| 04:51.41 | DawnLight | ouch |
| 04:51.45 | Agiofws | wtf is ubuntu doing and can recognize it |
| 04:51.52 | wols | Agiofws: it worked under the ubuntu kernel? how was the hardware recognized there? what bus? |
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| 04:52.12 | Agiofws | yes |
| 04:52.15 | Agiofws | BUS ? |
| 04:52.15 | DawnLight | could update-pciids help? |
| 04:52.21 | wols | yes bus |
| 04:52.27 | wols | PCI, USB, firewire, etc |
| 04:52.41 | Agiofws | let me chack the logs |
| 04:53.14 | Agiofws | agiofws@lapi:~/ubuntu$ more dmesg-ubuntu | grep -i alps |
| 04:53.14 | Agiofws | [ 94.440000] input: AlpsPS/2 ALPS GlidePoint as /class/input/input3 |
| 04:54.11 | Agiofws | wols |
| 04:54.23 | Agiofws | I: Bus=0011 Vendor=0002 Product=0008 Version=7325 |
| 04:54.23 | Agiofws | N: Name="AlpsPS/2 ALPS GlidePoint" |
| 04:54.23 | Agiofws | P: Phys=isa0060/serio1/input0 |
| 04:54.53 | Agiofws | under cat /proc/bus/input/devices |
| 04:55.20 | Agiofws | is it a serial device ? |
| 04:55.25 | wols | ISA then :( |
| 04:55.55 | Agiofws | so i need to enable ISA support in kernel ? |
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| 04:56.06 | Agiofws | or serial support ? |
| 04:56.14 | Agiofws | is the touch pad serail then ? |
| 04:56.20 | cTATUK | Is there a way for tar or another cli tool to extract .deb's? |
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| 04:56.37 | wols | cTATUK: dpkg can extract them. |
| 04:56.42 | wols | but of course ar can too |
| 04:56.53 | Agiofws | S: Sysfs=/class/input/input3 |
| 04:56.53 | Agiofws | U: Uniq= |
| 04:56.53 | Agiofws | H: Handlers=mouse2 event3 |
| 04:56.53 | |AmEn| | wols: which output of apt-get/aptitude/dselect run do u need?! |
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| 04:57.06 | Agiofws | wols any ideas ? |
| 04:57.08 | wols | |AmEn|: the one the factoid asked you about |
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| 04:57.47 | wols | Agiofws: possibly serial port fdriver taking the hardware |
| 04:57.59 | wols | Agiofws: what kernel module drives the touchpad? |
| 04:58.10 | Agiofws | synaptics |
| 04:58.21 | wols | and what happens if you modprobe it? |
| 04:58.43 | wols | also are there more serial ports available under debian than in ubuntu? |
| 04:58.51 | Agiofws | you don;t you load it via xorg.conf |
| 04:59.13 | Agiofws | wols, the crucial part is that |
| 04:59.14 | wols | you also need a kernel driver for it |
| 04:59.22 | Agiofws | what kind of device is it ? |
| 04:59.26 | Agiofws | serial ? |
| 04:59.28 | Agiofws | ISA ? |
| 04:59.31 | Agiofws | USB ? |
| 04:59.40 | SteveDondley | wols, DawnLight: ok, just donated $20. In a few years, I'll make it $2K |
| 04:59.40 | DarkBahamut | what kinda laptop do you have Agiofws? |
| 04:59.42 | Agiofws | are you sure its serial ? |
| 04:59.43 | wols | it'S either a serial port or possibly a PS/2 one |
| 04:59.50 | wols | SteveDondley: thank you |
| 04:59.53 | Agiofws | aspire 5310 aacer |
| 05:00.00 | SteveDondley | you guys contribute to the project? |
| 05:00.12 | SteveDondley | my server guy contributes to debian |
| 05:00.22 | wols | SteveDondley: contribute how? |
| 05:00.22 | SteveDondley | I mean contribute code |
| 05:00.25 | Agiofws | agiofws@lapi:~/ubuntu$ more dmesg-ubuntu | grep -i alps |
| 05:00.25 | Agiofws | [ 94.440000] input: AlpsPS/2 ALPS GlidePoint as /class/input/input3 |
| 05:00.48 | Agiofws | i just wonder why ubuntu live cd sees it |
| 05:00.53 | wols | SteveDondley: debian is an aggregator. apart from the installer and packagem management tools, it writes very few code |
| 05:01.04 | Agiofws | and debians does not |
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| 05:01.13 | Agiofws | isn't ISA decaprcated ? |
| 05:01.28 | SteveDondley | wols: ah, ok. always figured soem guys were writing code |
| 05:01.50 | SteveDondley | so not many c programmers in the debian project then |
| 05:02.43 | SteveDondley | I wish I had time to learn and write about debian's package manager from a beginner's perspective |
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| 05:04.48 | DawnLight | SteveDondley: there is development in debian, they just don't call it debian because debian packages are used in several distros |
| 05:05.11 | ma3x | is there a way to find multiple domain names hosted on a single ip? |
| 05:05.54 | Guerin | nitiniu: ask #dns |
| 05:05.54 | Guerin | ma3x: ↑ |
| 05:05.54 | SteveDondley | has ubuntu been a help or hindrance to debian? |
| 05:05.54 | dbmoodb | i have a q for the room - using firefox on windows i can see every thing on my webct - 4.blah (i hate it don't ask not my choice - uni work) including one unit which is not linked properly. Basically in iceweasel it seems that the boxes - where you click are not rendered or placed on the page (their images) you can get to the areas by looking for areas that are blank and following them on - any ideas of what is happening here ? - like i could be imagi |
| 05:05.55 | wols | ma3x: lots |
| 05:05.55 | Guerin | SteveDondley: both, and neither. |
| 05:05.56 | ma3x | Guerin, 85.13.239.90 that ip hosts more websites. I want to find out which |
| 05:05.58 | SteveDondley | it's strange to me that ubuntu is distor of a distro |
| 05:06.04 | DawnLight | SteveDondley: one thing certain, it is secretly hated here |
| 05:06.05 | Guerin | SteveDondley: such questions do not have easy answers, and typically lead to flamewars. |
| 05:06.13 | wols | ma3x: not really possibly |
| 05:06.15 | Guerin | ma3x: i know what you want. Ask #dns. |
| 05:06.16 | SteveDondley | yeah? ok |
| 05:06.17 | wols | *posible |
| 05:06.26 | ma3x | wols, why not? |
| 05:06.26 | Guerin | DawnLight: it's not secret, and it's not hate |
| 05:06.27 | dbmoodb | !ubuntu |
| 05:06.27 | dpkg | Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu (irc.freenode.net) instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. |
| 05:06.35 | dbmoodb | ah crap still bot banned |
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| 05:06.40 | dbmoodb | wait i'm not |
| 05:06.44 | SteveDondley | ubuntu is less pure, right? |
| 05:06.44 | Guerin | ubuntu is fine - it's the stupid fools who think it's debian that we hate |
| 05:06.55 | DawnLight | see |
| 05:06.57 | Guerin | SteveDondley: that rests on your definition of `pure' |
| 05:07.05 | wols | DawnLight: I, like most people here, I like ubuntu a lot. But I hate ubuntards who come here for help with their distro. big difference |
| 05:07.20 | SteveDondley | oh, really, I always thought it was based on a debian distro, but modified |
| 05:07.23 | dbmoodb | well it is debian by a different name and altered |
| 05:07.27 | dbmoodb | it is |
| 05:07.38 | Guerin | SteveDondley: it is a fork of debian. |
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| 05:07.43 | dbmoodb | but steve it is organised differently and tis not debian |
| 05:07.51 | SteveDondley | oh, a fork? I didn't know that |
| 05:07.53 | DawnLight | before debian, i came here for help with my ubuntu and quite quickly overworte it with debian |
| 05:07.55 | Guerin | DawnLight: no, it's not debian. It's a fork. It's quitre radically different in many areas. |
| 05:07.57 | Caelum | is there an environment variable like LD_LIBRARY_PATH, but for compile time linking? |
| 05:08.08 | Agiofws | wols what do you think i should do ? |
| 05:08.10 | Guerin | dbmoodb: and it's not binary compatible - hasn't been for more than a year |
| 05:08.19 | dbmoodb | - really guerin ? |
| 05:08.25 | dondelelcaro | Caelum: at compile time, you just set -L |
| 05:08.29 | dbmoodb | never tried it |
| 05:08.49 | wols | Agiofws: answering my questions |
| 05:08.54 | Caelum | dondelelcaro: nothing like an env var though? I was hoping to avoid tinkering with Makefile.PLs :) |
| 05:09.16 | SteveDondley | I always assumed the ubuntu guys worked closely with the debian guys but were relatively autonomous |
| 05:09.18 | dondelelcaro | Caelum: the env var is MAKEFLAGS="-L/path/to/foo" |
| 05:09.31 | DawnLight | Caelum: programs reading that varialbe expect multiple values, : seperated |
| 05:09.32 | Guerin | SteveDondley: many do exactly that. Many *are* the debian guys. |
| 05:09.46 | Agiofws | wols, did you ask anything |
| 05:09.50 | SteveDondley | Guerin: oh, interesting |
| 05:09.51 | Agiofws | me*? |
| 05:09.59 | Guerin | free software is pluralist |
| 05:10.03 | Agiofws | DarkBahamut, aspire 5310 |
| 05:10.05 | dbmoodb | free is free |
| 05:10.08 | dbmoodb | free freedom |
| 05:10.26 | Guerin | dbmoodb: thank you, mr. tautology. |
| 05:10.29 | dbmoodb | no |
| 05:10.37 | dbmoodb | stop and think about it |
| 05:10.49 | Caelum | dondelelcaro: good point, maybe I can set LDDFLAGS and that will override the Makefile, thank you! |
| 05:10.54 | Guerin | you're not going to break into song, are you? |
| 05:11.18 | dbmoodb | who me ? |
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| 05:12.01 | Guerin | dbmoodb: yes. It seemed you were having a religious experience. |
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| 05:12.05 | dbmoodb | no |
| 05:12.17 | dbmoodb | never |
| 05:12.24 | Agiofws | psmouse 39952 0 |
| 05:12.24 | Agiofws | serio_raw 8068 0 |
| 05:12.31 | Agiofws | maybe that modules we need |
| 05:12.32 | Guerin | Agiofws: please don't paste |
| 05:12.36 | Agiofws | srry |
| 05:13.32 | |AmEn| | wols: pastebin.com/d5ee32d9b |
| 05:13.32 | dbmoodb | you know how there is the rm trick - does apt0get remote or purge all produce similar results - minus the data destruction ? |
| 05:14.17 | stew | dbmoodb: what? |
| 05:14.29 | dbmoodb | i will try it on my ubuntu box just for a laugh don't worry |
| 05:14.37 | |AmEn| | wols: it say me is broken |
| 05:15.52 | wols | !info libcupsys2-dev etch |
| 05:15.55 | dpkg | libcupsys2-dev: (Common UNIX Printing System(tm) - development files), section libdevel, is optional. Version: 1.2.7-4 (etch), Packaged size: 134 kB, Installed size: 448 kB |
| 05:16.07 | wols | !info libcupsys2 etch |
| 05:16.10 | dpkg | libcupsys2: (Common UNIX Printing System(tm) - libs), section libs, is optional. Version: 1.2.7-4 (etch), Packaged size: 155 kB, Installed size: 348 kB |
| 05:17.14 | wols | |AmEn|: fix your security.debian.org entry |
| 05:17.21 | wols | update |
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| 05:17.38 | wols | that's one possibility why it might not work properly |
| 05:17.58 | |AmEn| | wols: i need this pack 'cause qt3-apps-dev depends from it |
| 05:18.27 | |AmEn| | wols: ok tnks a lot |
| 05:19.08 | |AmEn| | wols: it's 3 days i try to fix it |
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| 05:21.54 | SteveDondley | DawnLight: looks like I got one more hurdle to overcome. when I pull my cat5 cable out of eth0, my wireless, eth1, goes down, too |
| 05:22.09 | DarkBahamut | allright.. im gonna install my 3rd OS now.. ill be back in a bit |
| 05:22.20 | DarkBahamut | o.O cyas |
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| 05:22.48 | DawnLight | SteveDondley: ahm... can i see your interfaces? |
| 05:23.00 | SteveDondley | yeah |
| 05:23.08 | SteveDondley | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:23.48 | Agiofws | wols i enables some serio options and ISA support in vanilla kernel |
| 05:24.24 | SteveDondley | DawnLight: http://pastebin.com/m53d16eab |
| 05:24.38 | Agiofws | pnpbios exetra |
| 05:25.03 | SteveDondley | DawnLight: I can log into eth1 from ssh |
| 05:25.13 | SteveDondley | I can ping eth1 |
| 05:25.34 | SteveDondley | but when I pull my cat5 from eth0, eth1 is like not there |
| 05:26.58 | DawnLight | SteveDondley: this may be a problem with the module's defualt behaviour. when a module is loaded instructions can be passed to it. i'd check the documentation |
| 05:27.32 | SteveDondley | which module? linux-wlan-ng? |
| 05:28.39 | DawnLight | SteveDondley: aren't you using the rt2x00 module? |
| 05:29.04 | SteveDondley | I don't know what that is |
| 05:29.11 | SteveDondley | should I look in module.conf? |
| 05:29.28 | |AmEn| | i don't have /etc/apt/apt.conf |
| 05:30.17 | DawnLight | excuse me, i'm a little confused. SteveDondley. ahm... |
| 05:30.18 | wols | |AmEn|: then create it |
| 05:30.43 | SteveDondley | I installed linux-wlan-ng |
| 05:30.46 | |AmEn| | wols: what words put in? |
| 05:31.01 | wols | SteveDondley: you unplug eth0, then what do you do to see that you have not eth1 either? |
| 05:31.14 | wols | |AmEn|: to do what? why do you want a conf file? |
| 05:31.25 | SteveDondley | right, my ssh connection gets killed |
| 05:31.56 | |AmEn| | wols: may be i need to set up some conf in this file?! |
| 05:31.57 | wols | SteveDondley: please tell us why you have a wired and a wireless network connection at the same time. what for |
| 05:32.05 | wols | |AmEn|: why? |
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| 05:32.18 | DawnLight | SteveDondley: you can check the documentation in /usr/share/doc/linux-wlan-ng or linux-wlan-ng-source |
| 05:32.27 | |AmEn| | wols: WOW, now work! |
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| 05:32.57 | muhoo | something is hitting the disk like crazy on my laptop |
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| 05:33.04 | muhoo | how can i find out what processes are using the disk? |
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| 05:33.43 | ma3x | when i search with google is it possible to specify ip of the site (to which the site resolves)? |
| 05:33.47 | SteveDondley | wols: I had a wired one so I could install packages while trying to fix my wireless |
| 05:34.25 | wols | SteveDondley: which interface has your defaultroute? |
| 05:34.42 | SteveDondley | wols: where do I check that? |
| 05:35.15 | wols | route |
| 05:35.29 | |AmEn| | wols: it work fine in my system but not in my friend system |
| 05:35.57 | wols | |AmEn|: what does? |
| 05:36.24 | SteveDondley | wols: don't see anyting designated as default. both interfaces go to 192.168.1.1 (my router) |
| 05:36.45 | muhoo | hmm http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/linux-kernel-70/how-to-track-which-process-is-accessing-disk-505736/ |
| 05:36.53 | muhoo | looks like firefox? |
| 05:37.00 | wols | SteveDondley: you can only have one defaultroute |
| 05:37.19 | |AmEn| | wols: http://rafb.net/p/BN7m7h34.html |
| 05:37.20 | wols | and you must have a defaultroute |
| 05:37.35 | SteveDondley | let me change it |
| 05:37.49 | wols | |AmEn|: mainb/binary-i386. mainb should be main |
| 05:37.57 | wols | |AmEn|: typo in your sources.list |
| 05:38.04 | bluej | If I want the hostname to be dynamic based on dhcp what would I need to look at? I've checked out http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/254 and man interfaces. I'm using etch, last time I used sarge and was able to accomplish this by clearing out the hostname file |
| 05:38.05 | wols | SteveDondley: don't czhange |
| 05:38.09 | muhoo | nice! |
| 05:38.17 | SteveDondley | np? |
| 05:38.21 | SteveDondley | no? |
| 05:38.27 | wols | no. pastebin it first |
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| 05:41.10 | SteveDondley | wols: http://pastebin.ca/795529 |
| 05:41.21 | muhoo | appears to be gconf beating up the disk |
| 05:41.23 | muhoo | wtf?? |
| 05:41.46 | wols | SteveDondley: ok, fix it. you can't have two defaultroutes |
| 05:42.03 | wols | normally the old defaultroute should stopp when you set a new one automatically |
| 05:42.04 | muhoo | heh. i quit firefox and the madnes stopped |
| 05:42.09 | SteveDondley | ok, I didn't create that, just so you know :) |
| 05:43.25 | |AmEn| | wols: than i need to change name in /var/lib/apt/security............. |
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| 05:44.03 | NemesisD | whats that startup script file that by default only has exit 0 in it? |
| 05:44.21 | wols | NemesisD: rc.local probably |
| 05:44.29 | wols | |AmEn|: no |
| 05:44.51 | NemesisD | wols, does it run with root privs? |
| 05:45.04 | wols | |AmEn|: there is no /var/lib/apt/security |
| 05:45.16 | wols | !wayttd NemesisD |
| 05:45.16 | dpkg | What Are You Trying To Do, NemesisD? |
| 05:45.47 | NemesisD | wols, i've got kind of a difficult wireless driver situation going on and i have to go through somewhat of a rigamoroll to get an internet connection when i boot up |
| 05:46.15 | DawnLight | what is a rigamoroll |
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| 05:46.18 | wols | can you explain it a bit more? |
| 05:46.21 | NemesisD | a to-do |
| 05:46.26 | wols | DawnLight: rigmarole. google it |
| 05:46.55 | SteveDondley | wols: deleted the route but still have the same problem |
| 05:47.16 | wols | SteveDondley: use your wlan as the defaultroute |
| 05:47.24 | SteveDondley | and the default route I deleted just came back by itself |
| 05:47.37 | wols | SteveDondley: pastebin your interfaces file |
| 05:47.39 | NemesisD | ok well i essentially i need to do the following: ifconfig ra0 up; iwconfig ra0 essid myessid mode Managed channel 10; ifconfig ra0 my.ip.address.here; route add default gw my.gateway.ip.here |
| 05:47.43 | SteveDondley | k |
| 05:47.53 | wols | !tell NemesisD about interfaces |
| 05:48.07 | wols | NemesisD: read the wireless-tools docs in /usr/share/doc/ |
| 05:48.25 | NemesisD | wols, i know about interfaces but my interfaces file gets cleared every time i start up and im tired of trying to find out what the heck is doing it |
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| 05:48.51 | SteveDondley | wols: http://pastebin.ca/795537 |
| 05:48.51 | wols | NemesisD: it it something in X that does it or console? |
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| 05:49.06 | DawnLight | wols: he's using a custom debian for usb disks |
| 05:49.19 | wols | SteveDondley: you have two gateway statements. that's bad |
| 05:49.22 | progress0r | im running etch/sid amd 64, whats the trick to getting firefox with flash on sid/etch? Ive tried everything but no luck, 3in1 script, nsplugin etc.Ive done this on ubuntu amd64 many times. |
| 05:49.36 | wols | DawnLight: doesn't matter |
| 05:50.04 | DawnLight | wols: i'm talking about NemesisD. his interface file gets reset |
| 05:50.06 | SteveDondley | will get rid of one of them |
| 05:50.21 | DarkBahamut | progress0r: 64 bit version has problems with flash players |
| 05:50.26 | wols | DawnLight: I know. but it's still possible to check where it's done: console part or some X program |
| 05:50.34 | DawnLight | s/interface/interfaces |
| 05:50.37 | NemesisD | friggn lame my sources.list file has a bunch of live.debian.com servers in it |
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| 05:50.57 | progress0r | DarkBahamut: yeah i noticed that, im surprised however because i had ubuntu feisty and gutsy running them both. |
| 05:51.05 | sjhill | locales: Depends: glibc-2.7-1 but it is not installable |
| 05:51.16 | DawnLight | wols: if you can debug what is resetting his interfaces file, go ahead |
| 05:51.17 | sjhill | what's an easy way to fix this on AMD64 Debian sid? |
| 05:51.19 | DawnLight | i'll watch |
| 05:51.21 | extor | Has anyone used amazon's elastic cloud as "relief" for a site that got slashdotted or otherwise swamped? |
| 05:51.27 | sjhill | i've googled my little heart out and got nothing |
| 05:51.45 | wols | !tell sjhill about unstable |
| 05:51.50 | progress0r | DarkBahamut: what about setting up a 32bit chroot? |
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| 05:51.57 | sjhill | wols: yeah yeah |
| 05:52.09 | SteveDondley | wols: got rid of the gateway for eth0, still same problem |
| 05:52.18 | DarkBahamut | progress0r: install i386 version instead, it dosent have all the bugs that 64 bit has |
| 05:52.27 | DawnLight | sjhill: you won't get support here when you're running sid |
| 05:52.30 | wols | SteveDondley: what problem exactly? |
| 05:52.54 | SteveDondley | wols: unplugging network cable from eth0 stops eth1 from working |
| 05:52.57 | sjhill | DawnLight: fair enough |
| 05:53.01 | wols | DawnLight: depends. but not on such an easy problem |
| 05:53.10 | wols | !tell SteveDondley about doesn't work |
| 05:53.47 | NemesisD | wow pidgin isn't in the repos yet? |
| 05:53.49 | SteveDondley | when I pull the plug, my ssh connection from my laptop stops working |
| 05:53.57 | wols | !pidgin |
| 05:53.57 | dpkg | from memory, pidgin is formerly <gaim>, but due to trademark issues with AOL over the acronym AIM, had its name changed to Pidgin. libgaim is now libpurple and gaim-text is now Finch. Backported packages are available for Etch, add "deb http://ftp.cyconet.org/debian etch-backports main" to your sources.list. |
| 05:54.04 | extor | isnt pidgin just a rename? |
| 05:54.15 | NemesisD | pretty much |
| 05:54.16 | SteveDondley | wols: I can still ping eth1 from the terminal, but not from my laptop |
| 05:54.20 | wols | SteveDondley: cause when the connection uses eth0, then of course it stops |
| 05:54.29 | wols | it won't magically use another source IP suddenly |
| 05:54.31 | DarkBahamut | progress0r: i dont know much about linux, all i know about this problem is what i just said |
| 05:54.39 | bluej | Question was: If I want the hostname to be dynamic based on dhcp what would I need to look at? I've checked out http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/254 and man interfaces. I'm using etch, last time I used sarge and was able to accomplish this by clearing out the hostname file . Found http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/447, and I think changing from dhcp-client to dhcp3-client and installing bind9-host did th |
| 05:54.39 | bluej | e trick |
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| 05:54.52 | bluej | so I think the problem is solved |
| 05:54.56 | SteveDondley | wols: maybe i should set eth0 to 10.0.0.0 |
| 05:54.57 | Intangir_ | hey, i have 2 soundcards, and everytime i boot up, they are rearranged by alsa (like hw0 is nvidia onboard, and sblive the next) |
| 05:55.00 | Intangir_ | i need to make it keep hw1 and hw0 the same cards each boot |
| 05:55.03 | progress0r | DarkBahamut: i know, ive had several other 64bit distros work though. thanks |
| 05:55.21 | wols | SteveDondley: what for? |
| 05:55.26 | DawnLight | Intangir_: are you using both? |
| 05:55.38 | SteveDondley | wols: because I don't need it |
| 05:55.40 | DarkBahamut | progress0r: sry im not verry much help, someone else might know more about this |
| 05:56.01 | Intangir_ | DawnLight: ya |
| 05:56.06 | NemesisD | wols, so does rc.local run with root privs? |
| 05:56.10 | wols | SteveDondley: just don't bring it up or don't configure it then |
| 05:56.25 | wols | NemesisD: fix the real problem. not symptoms |
| 05:57.06 | progress0r | DarkBahamut: np appreciate it! |
| 05:57.35 | NemesisD | wols ive been working on this all day, im tired and i don't have any more fight left in me to fix this today |
| 05:57.35 | wols | !nspluginwrapper |
| 05:57.35 | DawnLight | Intangir: i think you need to configure udev rules for this |
| 05:57.35 | dpkg | i guess nspluginwrapper is a wrapper allowing you to use 32-bit browser plugins in a native x86_64 browser. It is known to work with Flash and a few others. It is in <contrib> on testing/unstable, while unofficial *stable/Etch* packages are available at http://www.dipconsultants.com/debian/ |
| 05:57.37 | SteveDondley | wols: somethign funny is going on |
| 05:57.44 | SteveDondley | just disabled eth0 |
| 05:58.02 | progress0r | wols: Ive tried that and cant get it to work |
| 05:58.03 | SteveDondley | still, when I pull cat5 cable, wireless stops working |
| 05:58.15 | SteveDondley | I think eth0 and eth1 were the same |
| 05:58.26 | wols | SteveDondley: ping 192.168.1.1 |
| 05:58.26 | SteveDondley | iwconfig |
| 05:58.32 | Intangir | DawnLight: do you know a good articule explaining how to do it right? |
| 05:58.41 | Intangir | DawnLight: cause thats what ive been trying to find out for like an hour |
| 05:58.47 | DawnLight | wols: perhaps SteveDondley should pass arguments to the module to name it something other then eth1? |
| 05:58.51 | wols | Intangir: asoundrc afaik |
| 05:59.03 | wols | DawnLight: and how would this help? |
| 05:59.18 | SteveDondley | wols: yeah, can't ping when unplugged |
| 05:59.24 | DawnLight | wols: i have a hunch |
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| 05:59.26 | wols | SteveDondley: there is an error message |
| 05:59.29 | SteveDondley | so now I'm not so sure my wireless is really working |
| 05:59.39 | wols | SteveDondley: that could be it |
| 06:00.26 | |AmEn| | wols: sorry i would say /var/lib/apt/lists/ |
| 06:00.32 | SteveDondley | I get this when restartrign networking: Reconfiguring network interfaces...Error for wireless request "Set Mode" (8B06) : |
| 06:00.42 | SteveDondley | SET failed on device eth1 ; Operation not supported. |
| 06:00.45 | wols | |AmEn|: wrong again. you only need to edit your sources.list |
| 06:01.07 | wols | SteveDondley: what driver do you use for it? |
| 06:01.16 | DawnLight | Intangir: what wols said makes sense. alsa creates the devices |
| 06:01.31 | SteveDondley | wols: it's a prism2.5 |
| 06:01.38 | wols | !tell |AmEn| about sources.list |
| 06:01.48 | wols | SteveDondley: I didn't ask what the hardware is. I asked what driver you use |
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| 06:01.58 | SteveDondley | I don't know what driver was used, did m-a i-m linux-wlan-ng |
| 06:02.40 | SteveDondley | when i did this manually last time, I had to mess with modprobe and reload modules and all that stuff |
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| 06:03.45 | SteveDondley | but m-a took care of that right? |
| 06:04.22 | wols | it should. prism is old enough to be supported |
| 06:04.22 | SteveDondley | when I do iwconfig, it looks like it's working |
| 06:04.40 | wols | iwlist doing fine? |
| 06:04.44 | |AmEn| | wols: works fine now!i check it so many times!!!! |
| 06:04.57 | |AmEn| | wols: thanks again a lots |
| 06:05.01 | wols | !! |
| 06:05.01 | dpkg | I'm not your csh prompt! |
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| 06:09.35 | wols | SteveDondley: comment out one "wireless" setting after the other and check each time if the error goes away or changes |
| 06:09.51 | SteveDondley | ok |
| 06:10.00 | Schalken | what was that... |
| 06:10.02 | Schalken | !! |
| 06:10.02 | dpkg | I'm not your csh prompt! |
| 06:10.15 | Schalken | oh, i get it :P |
| 06:10.39 | SteveDondley | i commented out eht1 but ifconfig is still showing it |
| 06:10.54 | DawnLight | SteveDondley: this is normal |
| 06:11.19 | wols | SteveDondley: ifdown eth1 |
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| 06:11.35 | gamag | I am away from my Linux box but I can log into it through ssh. It has vncserver installed. My GNome is locked on that system. How can I can I start vncserver, so that I can see the GUI from here and unlock and login and work? |
| 06:11.50 | SteveDondley | when I do ifdown eth1, it tells me "not configured" |
| 06:12.06 | DawnLight | gamag: read a howto |
| 06:12.14 | gamag | DawnLight: ok |
| 06:12.41 | wols | SteveDondley: cause you edited it out in your interfaces file |
| 06:12.44 | DawnLight | SteveDondley: it means ifupdown didn't bring it up |
| 06:13.08 | SteveDondley | I only commented eth0 out, not eth1 |
| 06:14.12 | SteveDondley | I think I need to reboot or something |
| 06:14.57 | SteveDondley | I alos get SET failed on device eth1 ; Device or resource busy when I do /etc/init.d/networking start |
| 06:15.20 | wols | you do not need to reboot |
| 06:15.37 | wols | and you'd want /etc/init.d/networking restart |
| 06:15.51 | DawnLight | wols: you are a lean debian supporting machine! |
| 06:15.52 | SteveDondley | I"ve been doing restart |
| 06:16.11 | SteveDondley | I just did networking stop |
| 06:16.34 | SteveDondley | and eth0, eth1, lo, and sit0 are all getting reported with ifconfig |
| 06:16.56 | wols | ifconfig down eth0 |
| 06:17.12 | SteveDondley | ifconfig down eth0 |
| 06:17.32 | SteveDondley | unknown host |
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| 06:18.18 | DawnLight | ifconfig eth0 down |
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| 06:19.15 | SteveDondley | DawnLight: ok, nothing happened |
| 06:19.32 | SteveDondley | actually, it doesn't show in ifconfig |
| 06:19.52 | DawnLight | go on with wols |
| 06:20.15 | DawnLight | it isn't showing becuase ifconfig shows only upped interfaces. ifconfig -a |
| 06:20.17 | wols | you can power down eth1 the same way |
| 06:20.33 | wols | and get it back up wit ifup eth0/eth1 |
| 06:22.10 | SteveDondley | ok, when I try to do ifup eth1, I get "Error for wireless request "set frequency" (8B04): Set failed on device eth1; device or resource busy |
| 06:22.32 | SteveDondley | yet, the interface is still working, I can connect to it from ssh |
| 06:22.42 | gamag | how can I start ftp daemon on Debian/ |
| 06:22.43 | gamag | ? |
| 06:22.46 | wols | you cannot most probably |
| 06:22.59 | wols | gamag: which ftp daemon did you install? |
| 06:23.01 | wols | !ftpd |
| 06:23.01 | dpkg | [ftpd] the daemon that speaks the FTP protocol. The following choices are available on Debian: ftpd, the *BSD daemon (good, robust piece of software without anything shiny on it), wu-ftpd (a high-performance, multi-homing and anon-only capable daemon that has caused traffic on bugtraq lately), and proftpd which is somewhere in between |
| 06:23.20 | DawnLight | SteveDondley: ifup is trying to set wireless extension stuff like the essid while the interface is up. that isn't possible |
| 06:23.34 | dalias | UHG |
| 06:23.36 | dalias | someone fix that |
| 06:23.40 | dalias | vsftpd is the only viable ftps |
| 06:23.43 | dalias | ftpd* |
| 06:23.54 | dalias | and it's not even listed |
| 06:24.04 | wols | DawnLight: there is vsftpd, pure-fptd and proftpd |
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| 06:24.35 | wols | !factinfo ftpd |
| 06:24.35 | dpkg | ftpd -- created by GyrosGeier <richtesi@uranus.fachschaften.tu-muenchen.de> at Fri Aug 18 07:17:00 2000 (2653 days); it has been requested 56 times, last by wols, 1m 33s ago. |
| 06:24.45 | DawnLight | watch where you're pointing that tab button |
| 06:24.49 | SteveDondley | DawnLight: so In eed to do ifdown eth1, right? |
| 06:24.53 | dalias | all 3 listed have historical vuln lists longer than steve jobs' nose after telling you apple believes in freedom from drm :P |
| 06:25.04 | SteveDondley | ok, so now it's down |
| 06:25.08 | wols | SteveDondley: before getting it up again you need to put it down first yes |
| 06:25.15 | wols | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:25.25 | gamag | if the ftpd is installed, then I can start it like this :- /etc/init.d/ftpd start ? right? |
| 06:25.42 | dalias | gamag, it's probably run from inetd, but some also support standalone |
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| 06:25.58 | wols | gamag: answer the qeuestion first. debian doesn't just install a ftpd |
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| 06:26.16 | gamag | wols: aptitude install ftpd is installing ftpd |
| 06:26.31 | wols | ftpd, the *BSD daemon |
| 06:26.32 | DawnLight | SteveDondley: ifdown/ifup are the ifupdown scripts. they use ifconfig and iwconfig to do their dirty work. if you ifdown eth1 and then go and ifconfig eth1 up, ifupdown still thinks that eth1 is down |
| 06:26.37 | wols | so yes it uses inetd |
| 06:26.49 | gamag | and after installing it has automatically started the daemon |
| 06:26.54 | gamag | I can do ftp and login |
| 06:27.12 | wols | gamag: so what is the problem? |
| 06:27.19 | SteveDondley | DawnLight: yeah, I vaguely remember this fromt he last time I got my card working |
| 06:27.26 | gamag | wols: problem solved. thanks for the info about ftpd. :-) |
| 06:28.03 | SteveDondley | I am just using ifup and ifdown |
| 06:28.14 | dalias | bsd ftpd is really a bad choice.. |
| 06:28.46 | SteveDondley | so right now, niether eth1 or eth0 are up |
| 06:28.57 | SteveDondley | eth0 isn't even in my interfaces file |
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| 06:29.28 | wols | DawnLight: ftp itself is a bad choice |
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| 06:30.00 | SteveDondley | however, I can still ping 192.168.1.7 and 192.168.1.8 from the terminal. how is that? |
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| 06:30.32 | wols | SteveDondley: route |
| 06:30.48 | SteveDondley | I did route and it's empty |
| 06:31.00 | wols | ifconfig doesn't sho anything either? |
| 06:31.16 | SteveDondley | it just shows lo |
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| 06:43.17 | Nyle | oh man |
| 06:43.19 | Nyle | hi |
| 06:43.25 | Nyle | wow I just had the crappiest night ever |
| 06:43.40 | Nyle | i hate alcohol |
| 06:43.45 | Nyle | god bless pot |
| 06:44.22 | Xenguy | I like both =) |
| 06:44.30 | Nyle | Xenguy: hi |
| 06:44.33 | Nyle | dude you |
| 06:44.33 | Nyle | man |
| 06:44.34 | Nyle | fuck |
| 06:44.37 | Xenguy | greetings |
| 06:44.40 | Nyle | ok check this out mmate |
| 06:44.41 | Xenguy | rough night? |
| 06:44.46 | Nyle | I went out with a lot of friends |
| 06:44.53 | Nyle | they specifically said, leave your car at home |
| 06:44.59 | Nyle | and i'll give you a ride |
| 06:45.04 | Nyle | and brin gyou back home from the bar |
| 06:45.09 | Nyle | so lots of girls and guys go out |
| 06:45.14 | Nyle | we drink blah blah blah |
| 06:45.23 | Nyle | my ride gets too drunk and his GF takes him home |
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| 06:45.33 | Nyle | I'm stuck out in the middle of nowhere in 20F |
| 06:45.38 | Xenguy | the DD went AWOL |
| 06:45.41 | Nyle | i had to walk 1.4 miles to my house |
| 06:45.47 | Nyle | in the blistering cold |
| 06:45.55 | Nyle | not ot mention 1 hour train ride and half hour bus ride |
| 06:46.04 | Xenguy | good exercise, keep you healthy ;-) |
| 06:46.05 | Nyle | I just wanna kick his ass soooo bad |
| 06:46.07 | streuner | hehe, you deserved that, dude :-) |
| 06:46.14 | Nyle | streuner: yes i know |
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| 06:46.23 | Nyle | never trust a fucking american |
| 06:46.24 | Nyle | or rather |
| 06:46.26 | streuner | maybe you learn |
| 06:46.29 | Nyle | never trust a fucking new yorker |
| 06:46.35 | streuner | nah |
| 06:46.37 | Nyle | and always take your car no matter what other people say |
| 06:46.38 | Nyle | fuck em |
| 06:46.41 | Xenguy | Nyle: it's the gov't I'm concerned about |
| 06:46.58 | lhadji | trains need to go faster :( |
| 06:47.03 | Nyle | they go pretty fat |
| 06:47.10 | Nyle | its just that they have to make lots of stops |
| 06:47.14 | Xenguy | lhadji: the trains shall run on time! |
| 06:47.36 | lhadji | i wish they ran on time down here. the trains are shocking! i want japan trains |
| 06:47.42 | Nyle | you know |
| 06:47.46 | streuner | Nyle: you walk through NYC at that time? |
| 06:47.51 | Nyle | if it wasn't for my culture and manners |
| 06:47.56 | Nyle | I could have easily fucked his girl |
| 06:47.59 | Nyle | very very easily |
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| 06:48.03 | Xenguy | lhadji: you need mussolini :-) |
| 06:48.07 | Nyle | I considered at asshole a friend |
| 06:48.09 | Nyle | so i didn't |
| 06:48.12 | Xenguy | (sp?) |
| 06:48.25 | Nyle | rahul even knows in real life how easy it is to get women for me |
| 06:48.33 | Nyle | I shoulda fuckec her and taught him a lesson |
| 06:48.36 | Nyle | I swear im so pissed |
| 06:48.40 | Nyle | fuck it, I'm warm now, |
| 06:48.43 | Nyle | I'm in my bed |
| 06:48.45 | Nyle | i got my pot |
| 06:48.47 | Nyle | im happy |
| 06:48.49 | Xenguy | life is good |
| 06:49.07 | Nyle | god bless pot and god absolutely bless debian AND #debian |
| 06:49.08 | Xenguy | you need a cat |
| 06:49.12 | lhadji | nothing like some pot and a laptop |
| 06:49.12 | Nyle | Xenguy: nah |
| 06:49.15 | Xenguy | heh |
| 06:49.24 | Nyle | i just need to go back to pakistan after i get my citizenship |
| 06:49.26 | Nyle | and then bring my wife here |
| 06:49.28 | lhadji | pot laptop sunnies and light off and im ready for debian |
| 06:49.29 | Nyle | thats what i need to do |
| 06:49.45 | Nyle | fuck cats |
| 06:49.49 | Xenguy | Nyle: heh are you serious -- naw |
| 06:49.49 | Nyle | I got a fucking pussy :) |
| 06:49.57 | Nyle | Xenguy: of course im serious |
| 06:50.07 | Nyle | i just filed for american citizenship like a few months ago |
| 06:50.18 | Xenguy | Nyle: no, you don't want to go to Pakistan, do you |
| 06:50.23 | Nyle | just before they raised the naturalization fees from 400$ to 1400% |
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| 06:50.25 | Nyle | $ |
| 06:50.36 | Nyle | Xenguy: yes i do |
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| 06:50.41 | Nyle | dec 19th |
| 06:50.48 | Nyle | my parents are going to buy me a ticket |
| 06:50.57 | Nyle | but this time im only going to visit |
| 06:51.11 | Nyle | I havent seen Ayesha in almost 1 year |
| 06:51.14 | Nyle | god i miss her so much |
| 06:51.41 | Xenguy | hrm |
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| 06:51.55 | SteveDondley | wols: so how do I check to see if my driver is working for eth1? |
| 06:52.26 | Nyle | SteveDondley: are you no able to bring eth1 up? |
| 06:52.43 | SteveDondley | Nyle: I can bring it up but it's not wireless |
| 06:52.53 | Nyle | what do you mean? |
| 06:53.10 | Nyle | its a wireless card, you can bring it up, but it won't connect to wireless ap |
| 06:53.11 | Nyle | ? |
| 06:53.18 | Nyle | or is it not a wifi nic? |
| 06:53.34 | SteveDondley | I get: SET failed on device eth1 ; operation not supported |
| 06:53.40 | SteveDondley | Nyle: wmp11 wifi |
| 06:53.43 | Nyle | from which command? |
| 06:53.45 | SteveDondley | 80211b |
| 06:54.00 | Nyle | you tried iwconfig set ? |
| 06:54.05 | SteveDondley | I installed with m-a i-m linux-wlan-ng |
| 06:54.12 | SteveDondley | yeah |
| 06:54.20 | Nyle | hmm |
| 06:54.25 | Nyle | which chipset is it? |
| 06:54.31 | SteveDondley | with iwconfig, everything is turned off |
| 06:54.37 | SteveDondley | prism2.5 |
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| 06:54.41 | Nyle | atheros? broadcom, prism |
| 06:54.43 | Nyle | oh |
| 06:54.54 | Nyle | i have not had any experience with those since i hav eowned one |
| 06:55.07 | SteveDondley | I had this workign on sarge |
| 06:55.12 | SteveDondley | installed etch and can't get it back |
| 06:55.28 | Nyle | s/i have/i have not |
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| 06:56.49 | Nyle | SteveDondley: what mode is the card in atm? |
| 06:57.04 | SteveDondley | it's not working so it's not in any mode |
| 06:57.16 | wols | SteveDondley: I told you to comment out the wireless settings one by one and see which one provokes the error |
| 06:57.17 | Nyle | you can't bring it up in monitor or master or managed? |
| 06:57.29 | SteveDondley | don't know what that means |
| 06:57.30 | Nyle | oh nm |
| 06:57.36 | Nyle | wols: was already helping you? |
| 06:57.50 | heatman | Hello. I am trying to install icecast on my my debian pc. However when i try to install from tarball, i get an error telling that it cant find the XSLT configuration file. Would anyone happen to know what application is required to be able to make install? |
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| 06:58.07 | Nyle | heatman: why are not using the debian package? |
| 06:58.18 | Nyle | afaik ice/shout are packaged already |
| 06:58.25 | wols | Nyle: don't |
| 06:58.29 | Nyle | wols: ? |
| 06:58.36 | wols | don't back off |
| 06:58.39 | Nyle | oh |
| 06:58.45 | Nyle | wols: you tired? |
| 06:58.51 | heatman | Nyle: what repo required? apt cant find |
| 06:58.52 | wols | always |
| 06:58.58 | Nyle | i dunno |
| 06:59.03 | Nyle | try non-free or contrib |
| 06:59.12 | Nyle | i know i have seen icecast packaged |
| 06:59.13 | Nyle | i know it |
| 06:59.21 | Nyle | !info icecast |
| 06:59.21 | heatman | Nyle: did already.. reason i was going for tarball |
| 06:59.29 | Nyle | hmm |
| 06:59.32 | Nyle | hang on |
| 06:59.33 | wols | !tell heatman about search |
| 06:59.36 | wols | you didn't search |
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| 06:59.55 | Nyle | !info icecast-server |
| 06:59.58 | dpkg | icecast-server: (MPEG Layer III Streaming Server), section sound, is optional. Version: 1:1.3.12-15 (sid), Packaged size: 185 kB, Installed size: 724 kB |
| 07:00.00 | Nyle | !info icecast-server etch |
| 07:00.02 | dpkg | icecast-server: (MPEG Layer III Streaming Server), section sound, is optional. Version: 1:1.3.12-15 (etch), Packaged size: 185 kB, Installed size: 724 kB |
| 07:00.05 | Nyle | there you go |
| 07:00.06 | Nyle | have fun |
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| 07:00.15 | wols | there is icecast2 too |
| 07:00.19 | heatman | ty |
| 07:00.24 | Nyle | yes that as well |
| 07:00.39 | Nyle | icecast2 - Ogg Vorbis and MP3 streaming media server |
| 07:01.00 | wols | SteveDondley: one of your wireless* settings in your interfaces file provokes the wrror you get when you rbing the interface up |
| 07:01.06 | wols | SteveDondley: you need to find out which one |
| 07:01.22 | SteveDondley | wols, I commented them all out |
| 07:01.29 | Nyle | SteveDondley: paste your interfaces |
| 07:01.32 | Nyle | !paster SteveDondley |
| 07:01.32 | dpkg | SteveDondley: put your output on http://channels.debian.net/paste so we can see it. DO NOT paste into the channel. |
| 07:01.55 | SteveDondley | when I try to bring up, I get ADDRCONF(NEDEV_UP): eth1: link is not ready |
| 07:01.57 | wols | SteveDondley: that's wrong. how will you now know which ones it is? |
| 07:02.03 | SteveDondley | some kind of address conflict? |
| 07:02.22 | SteveDondley | well, first I'm just trying to get the thing to work at all |
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| 07:04.09 | Nyle | oye maaaaaaaaaate |
| 07:04.19 | Nyle | this is the bomb weeds man fuck |
| 07:04.31 | Nyle | one hit and I coughed like I was about to lose a lung |
| 07:04.33 | Nyle | goddamn |
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| 07:04.41 | Nyle | even my back and sides hurt i coughed so hard |
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| 07:05.19 | Nyle | wols: did you have a nice turkey |
| 07:05.50 | SteveDondley | wols: I think I don't have the driver installed |
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| 07:08.40 | wols | Nyle: we don't have thanksgiving |
| 07:08.46 | wols | at least not in the way the US does |
| 07:08.50 | Nyle | wols: oh |
| 07:08.58 | Nyle | I had thought you were an american |
| 07:09.03 | wols | SteveDondley: if you didn't, it wouldn't have loaded before |
| 07:09.07 | Nyle | my mistake, I apologize |
| 07:09.17 | Nyle | I understand being called an american can be an insult |
| 07:09.22 | Nyle | wols: cool |
| 07:09.32 | wols | Nyle: I forgive you. sin no more :P |
| 07:09.33 | Nyle | wols: for german you have almost immaculate English |
| 07:09.44 | Nyle | kudos |
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| 07:11.04 | Nyle | wols: you must have seen Beerfest |
| 07:11.06 | Nyle | and if not, you should |
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| 07:11.17 | gamag | hi |
| 07:11.17 | Nyle | damn germans can guzzle that beer |
| 07:11.18 | Nyle | wow |
| 07:11.26 | Nyle | really |
| 07:11.34 | Nyle | are you a happy go lucky kinda wols, wols? |
| 07:11.42 | Nyle | no smoke, no drink |
| 07:11.43 | wols | and it's called oktoberfest or cannstatter wasen depending where you live. it's a strictly southern german thing too |
| 07:11.57 | Nyle | i know oktoberfest |
| 07:12.02 | wols | those two are the biggests of their kind |
| 07:12.04 | cahoot | and slightly OT? |
| 07:12.05 | Nyle | but there is also a 'beerfest' like in the movie |
| 07:12.06 | Nyle | :) |
| 07:12.14 | Nyle | cahoot: you think |
| 07:12.14 | wols | cahoot: not slightly |
| 07:12.28 | Nyle | gamag: hi |
| 07:12.34 | Nyle | cahoot: i will hurt yo u |
| 07:12.40 | Nyle | :D stop policing |
| 07:13.01 | wols | cahoot: he's stoned. no real use arguing with him |
| 07:13.07 | Nyle | wow i have no idea what I am right now |
| 07:13.10 | Nyle | stoned or drunk |
| 07:13.11 | cahoot | I don't argue |
| 07:13.16 | Nyle | im coming off off drunk, and getting high |
| 07:13.26 | Nyle | cahoot: has never argued with me |
| 07:13.32 | Nyle | as a matter of fact |
| 07:13.56 | Nyle | in almost 7+ years( i can't remember when cahoot started coming around) I have not seen him argue |
| 07:14.00 | Nyle | ever |
| 07:14.10 | Nyle | hes fairly chilled out all the time i remember |
| 07:14.46 | SteveDondley | wols: I keep getting "Error for wireless request "Set ESSID". that's the only line I have in my interfaces for wireless on eth1 |
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| 07:15.02 | Nyle | hmm |
| 07:15.33 | Nyle | icecast2 - Ogg Vorbis and MP3 streaming media server |
| 07:15.39 | Nyle | iface ethx inet dhcp |
| 07:15.53 | Nyle | wireless-essid 1281763481263481628364 |
| 07:15.58 | wols | SteveDondley: iwcnfig |
| 07:16.00 | Nyle | subsitute numbers with blah |
| 07:16.05 | Nyle | i mean |
| 07:16.06 | wols | SteveDondley: is stuff still set? |
| 07:16.13 | Nyle | i asked if you could paste your file somewhere |
| 07:16.24 | Nyle | just to let us see if there is a problem with your config |
| 07:16.31 | SteveDondley | http://pastebin.ca/795588 |
| 07:17.18 | Nyle | hmm |
| 07:17.23 | Nyle | looks a-ok to me |
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| 07:21.04 | SteveDondley | the real weird part is that when I pull the cat5 cable from eth0, eth1 goes down, too |
| 07:21.21 | SteveDondley | so the two ip addresses are sharing the same connection somehow |
| 07:22.20 | bullgard4 | "detlef@Amilo7600:~$ gnomevfs-ls smb://md97600/freigegeben; config (Regular, application/octet-stream) size 11853 mode 0644". But when I try to insert the file 'copy' in another directory (to copy it) Nautilus reports: "Error when copying. »smb://md...ben/config« could not be moved because you do not have the necessary access rights to read the object." But the rights are 0644! Can you explain this contradiction? |
| 07:22.25 | SteveDondley | I can't seem to associate the wireless device with eth1 |
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| 07:22.28 | wols | SteveDondley: they are not |
| 07:22.51 | wols | SteveDondley: your wireless is not properly configured |
| 07:23.01 | SteveDondley | they aren't sharing the same connectin? |
| 07:23.28 | wols | check which IP is used when doing connections |
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| 07:23.51 | wols | no. they cannot do thi unless you very specially configure such a thing |
| 07:24.12 | SteveDondley | how do I check which ip address is used when doing connectinos? |
| 07:24.18 | wols | netstat |
| 07:25.20 | wols | just try to connect when the wired cable is removed. if it doesn't work your WLAN doesn't work. QED |
| 07:27.03 | SteveDondley | ssh is connecting through 192.168.1.8, my wired device |
| 07:27.14 | SteveDondley | I don't see any connections for anything else |
| 07:28.03 | DawnLight | how about that hunch i had, of naming the wireless interface something other than eth1? |
| 07:28.10 | SteveDondley | I will unplug the cable, but then I can't cut and paste stuff. I'll be cut off from the internet |
| 07:28.18 | wols | DawnLight: can you tell us the reasoning for this hunch? |
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| 07:29.29 | DawnLight | well, reasoning for hunches is optional but i think that i've yet to see a wireless device named eth* |
| 07:29.48 | wols | names like ath0 are the exception, not the rule |
| 07:30.55 | DawnLight | ok. what about reading the driver readme? do we think that there's a problem with the driver? |
| 07:31.05 | DawnLight | or the configuration of it |
| 07:31.24 | DawnLight | or the configuration of networking? |
| 07:34.10 | SteveDondley | let me ask a basic question: how do I associate a dvice with a ip address? |
| 07:34.37 | SteveDondley | and how do I associate that device with a particular driver? |
| 07:35.45 | SteveDondley | and how come /etc/modules does not contain the driver module to load. I think I had to do that on sarge. |
| 07:35.51 | DawnLight | SteveDondley: devices get associated with interfaces, interfaces get associated with ip addresses via ifconfig |
| 07:36.18 | DawnLight | udev picks out the drivers for devices, i think |
| 07:36.25 | SteveDondley | ok, so how do I associate the device with a particular interface? where does that happen? |
| 07:36.39 | DawnLight | udev also, i've heard |
| 07:36.52 | SteveDondley | what about modules.conf? |
| 07:37.22 | DawnLight | you can make it so that udev assigns a certain name to a nic that has a certain mac |
| 07:37.46 | Internat | stupid question whats the damm quota tool that brings up all user quotas|? |
| 07:37.49 | Internat | i cant think of the command :/ |
| 07:38.59 | SteveDondley | so does modules.conf and modules have no effect? |
| 07:39.46 | DawnLight | i don't know what modules.conf does. i think it helps modprobe |
| 07:40.13 | DawnLight | or not |
| 07:40.52 | DawnLight | i don't have a modules.conf |
| 07:41.05 | DawnLight | perhaps you are reffering to /etc/modules |
| 07:42.41 | streuner | DawnLight: What does 'dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1' say? |
| 07:43.09 | DawnLight | ii libc6 2.3.6.ds1-13etch2 GNU C Library: Shared libraries |
| 07:43.29 | streuner | ls -l /etc/modules.conf |
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| 07:43.44 | Jyzygzy- | rm -f |
| 07:43.50 | DawnLight | ls: /etc/modules.conf: No such file or directory |
| 07:44.05 | streuner | DawnLight: interesting |
| 07:44.10 | DawnLight | it is? |
| 07:44.16 | streuner | sure :-) |
| 07:44.22 | DawnLight | its not my fault |
| 07:44.33 | DawnLight | i want my mommy |
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| 07:45.17 | DawnLight | what does /etc/modules.conf have? |
| 07:45.48 | streuner | ### This file is automatically generated by update-modules |
| 07:46.12 | techbie | !tell Internat about quota |
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| 07:46.17 | DawnLight | update-modules is an obsolete command. In its current form it will execute /sbin/update-modules.modutils (the old update-modules program provided |
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| 07:52.09 | streuner | "Although the syntax is similar to the older /etc/modules.conf (2.4 x kernels), there are many features missing." |
| 07:52.50 | streuner | DawnLight: etch use only 2.6.x kernels, did you use an etch installer? |
| 07:53.05 | DawnLight | indeed. never used sarge |
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| 07:53.27 | DawnLight | came in just when etch was about to be released so i went with testing |
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| 07:54.01 | DawnLight | i feel shinier |
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| 07:55.35 | SteveDondley | DawnLight: sorry, was doing some research |
| 07:55.53 | DawnLight | SteveDondley: hope you read the readme for the driver |
| 07:56.32 | SteveDondley | for linux-wlan-ng? |
| 07:56.43 | DawnLight | yes yes |
| 07:58.01 | SteveDondley | we basically bypassed that with m-a i-a wlan-linux-ng |
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| 07:58.14 | SteveDondley | I have installed this before manually |
| 07:58.30 | SteveDondley | but you and someone else said to do m-a i-a |
| 07:58.37 | SteveDondley | I don't even know what those are myself |
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| 08:01.16 | Nyle | !seen jetscreamer |
| 08:01.17 | dpkg | jetscreamer <n=jetscrea@unaffiliated/jetscreamer> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 38d 17h 18m 2s ago, saying: '!paste'. |
| 08:01.25 | Nyle | whoah |
| 08:01.28 | Nyle | 38 days |
| 08:01.31 | Nyle | fucking hell |
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| 08:02.03 | DawnLight | SteveDondley: the readme might have some tasty information for us beside the compiling and installing parts |
| 08:02.30 | DawnLight | it should be in /usr/share/doc/linux-wlan* |
| 08:02.56 | DawnLight | SteveDondley: i wonder... perhaps you need the firmware package... |
| 08:03.35 | SteveDondley | cd /usr/share/doc |
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| 08:03.43 | SteveDondley | dman, getting tired |
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| 08:04.37 | factor | before I go to sleep . I am getting this on my command line |
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| 08:04.52 | factor | perl: warning: Setting locale failed. |
| 08:04.52 | factor | perl: warning: Please check that your locale settings: |
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| 08:05.16 | DawnLight | !paste |
| 08:05.17 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 3 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://channels.debian.net/paste/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. |
| 08:05.18 | cahoot | factor: try dpkg-reconfigure locales |
| 08:05.19 | factor | using unstable |
| 08:05.22 | factor | thanks |
| 08:05.34 | DawnLight | !tell factor about unstable |
| 08:06.02 | SteveDondley | ok, that's a good readme, the other one i was reasing was generic |
| 08:06.25 | factor | still not language and lc all are still not set |
| 08:07.01 | DawnLight | !tell factor about sid |
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| 08:07.52 | SteveDondley | ok, I'm getting somewhere now |
| 08:08.09 | SteveDondley | readme says to go to /etc/modutils |
| 08:08.18 | DawnLight | factor: if you can't debug that, don't use unstable. you want new, use testing. you want cutting edge, use gentoo |
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| 08:08.54 | factor | I have used debian for year no need to switch distros |
| 08:09.11 | anomaly | isn't there a program to test ping times or such for sources.list? |
| 08:09.21 | cahoot | apt-spy? |
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| 08:09.27 | anomaly | sounds about right.. ty. |
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| 08:09.41 | Xenguy | anomaly: apt-spy ? |
| 08:11.44 | anomaly | hmm..nice program indeed. |
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| 08:12.56 | xingu | yummy |
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| 08:13.15 | xingu | woo, libc6-2.7 |
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| 08:15.18 | Nyle | hmm |
| 08:15.27 | Nyle | you could fix stuff if you'd like |
| 08:16.53 | Xenguy | why break it in the first place? run stable and be happy :-) |
| 08:17.14 | xingu | it's a hobby of mine :) |
| 08:17.19 | Nyle | yeh but what if you actually contribute to debian by trying to find buggy packages |
| 08:17.26 | DawnLight | yey stable |
| 08:17.34 | Xenguy | xingu: true, I've been there :-) |
| 08:17.48 | DawnLight | there are bugs to find in stable |
| 08:18.01 | Nyle | I used to randomly break stuff, delete stuff, just so I could try to fix it |
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| 08:18.14 | Nyle | it used to be fun, but then I got a job |
| 08:18.17 | Nyle | so I have no more time |
| 08:18.34 | Xenguy | Nyle: yeah, like that, it doesn't fascinate me anymore |
| 08:18.37 | Nyle | its the only way to really learn though |
| 08:18.42 | Xenguy | DawnLight: as few as possible |
| 08:18.58 | Nyle | bugs |
| 08:19.01 | Nyle | i hate bugs |
| 08:19.09 | Nyle | especially the flying bugs |
| 08:19.12 | Nyle | oh god i hate those |
| 08:19.19 | Xenguy | bugs suck |
| 08:19.59 | xingu | Xenguy: I still like to bust things at home. It's a good excuse to go read changelogs and find out what's actually new in the world. Also pretty handy commercially, when you see exactly the same bustage you've found and fixed before - there's nothing quite like it as continuous training. |
| 08:21.07 | Xenguy | I think I've become more of a user, but who knows, that could change at some point |
| 08:21.14 | xingu | Xenguy: like, for example, x86_64 dso support; pretty big news |
| 08:21.26 | xingu | s/dso/vdso/ |
| 08:21.36 | Xenguy | xingu: I am trailing edge |
| 08:21.56 | Xenguy | by choice mostly :-) |
| 08:22.33 | xingu | Xenguy: don't get the wrong idea, I'm not big on experimenting on customer systems, worst-case I'd go for backports, if needed. |
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| 08:23.05 | xingu | Xenguy: I might put a modern kernel on them if warranted, but that's another thing entirely |
| 08:24.04 | Xenguy | I hope that debian will get busier again (maybe it's just Friday night) it seems that Ubuntu has diverted a lot of (potential) Debian users -- I've been there and I've come back home |
| 08:24.38 | Xenguy | I just burned my bridges there last night, so I notice the difference in traffic :-/ |
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| 08:25.32 | Xenguy | I truly think debian is more stable |
| 08:25.52 | cahoot | preaching to the choir? |
| 08:26.03 | Xenguy | cahoot: true :-) |
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| 08:26.43 | Xenguy | gawd it's late - I should crash RSN |
| 08:27.24 | DawnLight | SteveDondley: it's 10 am. going to sleep. need anything? |
| 08:27.34 | Xenguy | hehe |
| 08:27.44 | SteveDondley | DawnLight: it's about 3:30am here |
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| 08:27.54 | Xenguy | SteveDondley: here too |
| 08:28.08 | DawnLight | if you need anything ask dpkg. night |
| 08:28.16 | SteveDondley | thansk for you help |
| 08:28.23 | SteveDondley | I will get there |
| 08:28.28 | SteveDondley | I think I 'm close now |
| 08:28.28 | Xenguy | night all |
| 08:28.35 | Nyle | SteveDondley: EST |
| 08:28.39 | Nyle | SteveDondley: location? |
| 08:28.46 | SteveDondley | massachusetts |
| 08:28.49 | Nyle | nyc |
| 08:28.56 | Nyle | freezing here |
| 08:29.00 | Nyle | about 20f |
| 08:29.04 | Xenguy | nations capital, Canada |
| 08:29.22 | Xenguy | Nyle: that's room temperature here :P |
| 08:29.28 | Nyle | ew |
| 08:29.34 | Nyle | damn ice men |
| 08:29.39 | Xenguy | heheh |
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| 08:30.52 | Xenguy | Nyle: oops, I read '20 celcius' -- ignore me :-) |
| 08:30.58 | Nyle | heh |
| 08:31.31 | xingu | Nyle: almost time to put on long pants |
| 08:31.33 | Nyle | Xenguy: you own a heater? |
| 08:31.33 | Xenguy | 20Celcius = 70F |
| 08:31.46 | Nyle | oh nm |
| 08:31.52 | Xenguy | Nyle: natural gas or we'd all freeze :-) |
| 08:31.59 | Nyle | fireplace mate |
| 08:32.01 | Nyle | thats the best |
| 08:32.09 | Nyle | got a nice big fire going |
| 08:32.17 | Nyle | got your little kitty cat |
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| 08:32.24 | Nyle | maybe some popcorn |
| 08:32.34 | Nyle | under thick warm blanket on your couch |
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| 08:32.42 | Nyle | watching a movie while stroking your pussy |
| 08:32.50 | xingu | arr what the heck, lets bust stuff |
| 08:32.56 | Xenguy | got one (yay) and good at night (but sucks air up through the chimney, though I care not once I'm in bed :-) |
| 08:33.05 | DryRayvin | Hello, is anyone here familiar with configuring IPv6 tunnels? |
| 08:33.19 | Nyle | i saw that in movies |
| 08:33.27 | Nyle | old guys in front of fireplaces with cats in thier laps |
| 08:33.33 | Nyle | under a blanket on a rocking chair |
| 08:33.38 | Nyle | I always wanted to have that |
| 08:33.50 | Nyle | i love that stuff, snowing outside, while you're cozy in your house |
| 08:33.52 | Nyle | mmmm |
| 08:33.52 | Xenguy | DryRayvin: I've been avoiding IPv6 cos I'm lazy :-) |
| 08:34.04 | Nyle | DryRayvin: must get broker |
| 08:34.19 | DryRayvin | Nyle I know |
| 08:34.20 | Nyle | get access to a tunnerl broker |
| 08:34.29 | DryRayvin | I have it all setup exactly like this guide |
| 08:34.30 | DryRayvin | http://wiki.debian.org/DebianIPv6 |
| 08:34.42 | DryRayvin | 6in4: ERROR while getting interface flags: No such device |
| 08:34.50 | DryRayvin | And get that error when doing "ifconfig 6in4 up" |
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| 08:34.54 | Nyle | !info tspc |
| 08:35.00 | DryRayvin | i don't use tspc |
| 08:35.02 | dpkg | tspc: (Client to configure an IPv6 tunnel to Hexago's migration broker), section net, is optional. Version: 2.1.1-6 (sid), Packaged size: 40 kB, Installed size: 204 kB |
| 08:35.02 | DryRayvin | or aiccu |
| 08:35.02 | Xenguy | later all |
| 08:35.09 | DryRayvin | I use tunnelbroker.net which is through HP |
| 08:35.11 | DryRayvin | HE* |
| 08:35.26 | Nyle | hm |
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| 08:39.48 | darkbahamut | hello everyone |
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| 08:40.34 | Nyle | hi |
| 08:40.42 | Nyle | its 340am but ok hi |
| 08:41.06 | darkbahamut | its 10:41 pm here XD |
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| 08:56.34 | darkbahamut | hey, anyone know whats the best for windows emulator? |
| 08:57.25 | xingu | cpuburn? |
| 08:57.29 | syed_nawaz | I am looking for some nice documents to configure an internal DNS server for resolving the internal LAN IP's any links to documents please |
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| 08:58.10 | Kamping_Kaiser | syed_nawaz, asked #bind? |
| 08:58.21 | xingu | syed_nawaz: http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/343 if this is win32-centric. |
| 08:58.25 | `nstuff | nothin special about that |
| 08:58.40 | syed_nawaz | Kamping_Kaiser, ok, thanks |
| 08:58.43 | `nstuff | just regular bind setup i guess |
| 08:59.06 | darkbahamut | xingu: lol cpuburn dosent sound verry friendly |
| 08:59.30 | `nstuff | checkout wine darkbahamut |
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| 08:59.49 | darkbahamut | `nstuff: k |
| 09:00.09 | syed_nawaz | nstuff: ok |
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| 09:00.31 | `nstuff | as for the lanparty dns thing, i would go for dynamic updating of clients |
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| 09:00.44 | bzed | syed_nawaz: for an internal dns server - i f you have only a few clients - look into dnsmaq |
| 09:01.09 | bzed | syed_nawaz: much more simple to setup than bind |
| 09:01.29 | syed_nawaz | bzed, the local systems get the IP address though dhcp, |
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| 09:02.16 | haiger | guys how can i intar Linux-2.4.32-ipod2-cc.bin.gz |
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| 09:02.42 | haiger | what is the gz stand for, is it gzip, how can i unzipit |
| 09:02.51 | syed_nawaz | bzed: The total number of systems will be approximately 100 |
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| 09:03.03 | bzed | syed_nawaz: if you want to allow dhcpd to update entries in teh DNS server you have bind |
| 09:03.13 | `nstuff | yup |
| 09:03.14 | bzed | syed_nawaz: and for 100 clients I'd use bind, definitely |
| 09:03.25 | bzed | haiger: gunzip |
| 09:03.34 | `nstuff | all windows clients ? |
| 09:03.38 | bzed | haiger: and it's not a tar, bin usually means you have to execute it |
| 09:04.14 | Nyle | bar.tar.bin.gz.bz2.gzip |
| 09:04.19 | syed_nawaz | nstuff:Both windows and Linux |
| 09:04.29 | Nyle | now THAT is a really frigging compressed file |
| 09:04.43 | Nyle | not really, in fact it would gain size |
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| 09:07.02 | cahoot | otherwise it would become the files equivalent to a black hole |
| 09:07.09 | syed_nawaz | bzed:any link for the documents for configuring bind to allow dhcp entries, i googled, but am not able to find |
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| 09:07.53 | n_np | ever since i installed debian my left hand isnt putting out |
| 09:09.13 | darkbahamut | i gtg.. gnite everyone, thank you |
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| 09:11.43 | bzed | syed_nawaz: http://idahopcug.apcug.org/Linux/dnshowto.pdf |
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| 09:12.15 | asami | tralala, are you here? |
| 09:13.25 | SteveDondley | wols: you still there? |
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| 09:14.17 | asami | question- anyone ever installed a new kernel using knoppix? |
| 09:15.00 | syed_nawaz | bzed, The document looks good and i think is meeting my requirement. Thanks :) |
| 09:15.31 | syed_nawaz | bzed, I am following the instructions of this document |
| 09:16.50 | Eulex | asami, using knoppix? you should just be able to chroot into your system, then install it. |
| 09:19.20 | asami | Eulex, correct me if im wrong boot knoppix , download kernel, chroot into debian , copy kernel to debian , dpkg, reboot? |
| 09:19.31 | haiger | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:19.33 | haiger | mount: you must specify the filesystem type |
| 09:20.06 | Eulex | asami, should (tm) work, yes |
| 09:20.10 | Eulex | haiger, man mount |
| 09:20.35 | haiger | Eulex: or you can tell me |
| 09:20.55 | asami | Eulex, never did it before, it would automatically add the new kernel to grub? |
| 09:21.18 | Eulex | asami, as long as your /boot is mounted inside the chroot, it should work, yes. |
| 09:21.35 | asami | Eulex, thanks |
| 09:22.11 | tralala | asami, yep |
| 09:22.42 | asami | tralala, you adviced me to download a kernel from backports |
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| 09:23.15 | tralala | yes, as Eulex said boot knoppix, chroot to debian and you'll have a debian with network. Add backports, install 2.6.22 |
| 09:23.24 | asami | can i use a different machine to download it , burn on CD, move to debian and install it like that? |
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| 09:23.50 | tralala | is /boot on your root partition? |
| 09:23.55 | asami | yes |
| 09:24.08 | asami | (just /home separate) |
| 09:24.17 | tralala | good, so all you have to do is add backports to your sources and install the kernel |
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| 09:24.27 | haiger | Eulex: why when i mount my ipod the first time it was /dev/sda and now it is /dev/sdb |
| 09:24.51 | Eulex | asami, (but read the instructions at backports.org, you do not want to install all software from backports) |
| 09:25.12 | Eulex | haiger, linux assigns it the first available sdx device |
| 09:25.39 | cahoot | why is sda not free to use? |
| 09:25.45 | asami | Eulex, tralala thank you for your help |
| 09:25.48 | haiger | Eulex: what if i am sure nothing else is connected how can i get back the sda please |
| 09:26.53 | Eulex | haiger, if you just pulled the usb cable out and inserted it again, sda might not have finished 'deactivating' and then when you inserted it again, the device became sdb. |
| 09:27.30 | Eulex | haiger, if you've upgraded your kernel, there's a chance that your hdd has now become sda (was hda before), but you'd probably know if that happened... |
| 09:28.04 | asami | tralala, if a backport kernel doesnt work , you advice (i think) to install a knoppix kernel, would i be able to run all the normal debian software with a knoppix kernel? |
| 09:28.10 | haiger | Eulex: Eulex nope i didn;t upgraded my kernel |
| 09:28.38 | tralala | asami, there might be some glitches but I'd expect it to be mostly fine |
| 09:28.46 | haiger | Eulex: is there is a way i can check to see if sda is still active |
| 09:28.55 | Eulex | haiger, dmesg |
| 09:29.00 | asami | tralala, thank you |
| 09:29.02 | haiger | ^^and how to deactivate it |
| 09:29.13 | tralala | asami, you're welcome |
| 09:29.29 | Eulex | haiger, it was probably shortly deactivated after you had pulled the cable out. so it should be unused now. |
| 09:29.52 | Eulex | haiger, so you might try just pulling out the cable and inserting it again. |
| 09:29.57 | cahoot | Eulex: could the ipod issue be simplified by using /dev/disk/by-id or such? |
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| 09:30.07 | Eulex | cahoot, it surely could |
| 09:30.13 | haiger | k |
| 09:31.49 | Eulex | haiger, and as cahoot mentioned, /dev/disk/by-id/ and /dev/disk/by-uuid/ might be interesting to you. they contain links to a device that do not change (unlike /dev/sdx) |
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| 09:32.32 | haiger | elvedin: still shows as sdb |
| 09:32.44 | XoX | why isnt there -X option to rsync in etch , does it support selinux ? |
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| 09:34.47 | haiger | usb-Apple_iPod_000A270014E65E08 |
| 09:34.47 | haiger | usb-Apple_iPod_000A270014E65E08-part1 |
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| 09:35.47 | haiger | :) sorry that was a mistake |
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| 09:37.07 | haiger | Eulex: what do you thing i should do |
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| 09:37.23 | Eulex | haiger, mount one of those instead. |
| 09:38.02 | haiger | Eulex: can you explain to me please "usb-Apple_iPod_000A270014E65E08" how i can mount this |
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| 09:38.41 | Eulex | haiger, ls -al /dev/disk/by-id/usb-Apple_iPod_000A270014E65E08 will clear up things a bit |
| 09:39.23 | SteveDondley_ | does anyone know why I have to type modprobe psism2_pci each time to get my wireless pci card running? is there a way to avoid that? |
| 09:39.37 | Eulex | SteveDondley, /etc/modules |
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| 09:39.53 | haiger | SteveDondley_: yes, add it to /etc/modules |
| 09:40.08 | SteveDondley_ | ok |
| 09:40.31 | haiger | SteveDondley_: you know how? |
| 09:40.44 | SteveDondley_ | hmm, I put it there already it seems |
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| 09:41.02 | SteveDondley_ | yeah, it loads at boot time |
| 09:41.18 | SteveDondley_ | however, if I do /etc/init.d/networking restart, wlan0 fails |
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| 09:41.41 | SteveDondley_ | then I have to do modprobe prism2_pci and then /etc/init.d/netoworking restart again |
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| 09:46.21 | SteveDondley | hmm, looks like the p80211.o driver is getting unloaded when the network interfaces get reconfigured. How do I stop that? |
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| 09:46.23 | ankur_ | i cant use putty from my debian box.When i attempt to connect a server by putty it says connection time out |
| 09:47.02 | ankur_ | what is the problem?i can connect that server from any place |
| 09:47.11 | cahoot | ankur_: does plain ssh work? |
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| 09:47.33 | ankur_ | yes |
| 09:48.07 | cahoot | ankur_: you use password och keybased login? |
| 09:48.13 | cahoot | s/och/or/ |
| 09:48.22 | ankur_ | password |
| 09:48.46 | cahoot | ankur_: doesn't putty keep a log? |
| 09:49.07 | ankur_ | no |
| 09:49.46 | cahoot | ankur_: then see if the log on the server gives any clue |
| 09:50.02 | ankur_ | cahoot: i m under a http proxy server |
| 09:50.29 | Eulex | ankur_, does it proxy ssh too? |
| 09:50.53 | ankur_ | yes |
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| 09:51.35 | kbad | ankur_, try using plain old ssh from a terminal with the -v flag |
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| 09:52.26 | ankur_ | command? |
| 09:52.43 | cahoot | huh - you just said plain ssh worked |
| 09:53.56 | ankur_ | cahoot: i say plain ssh only work to connect to the proxy server |
| 09:54.19 | ankur_ | not wark to another server in outworld |
| 09:55.38 | Eulex | ankur_, sounds like a problem with the proxy server. again, does it proxy _ssh_ (and possible other stuff like ftp) and just not http? |
| 09:56.16 | Eulex | ankur_, and the command for plain old ssh is 'ssh' |
| 09:56.31 | ankur_ | yes i know |
| 09:57.13 | ankur_ | i cant explain thoroly for that u dont understand my problem |
| 10:00.57 | airtonarantes | hello, I'm making an app that need root's password to be used. should I to implement the screen soliciting root's password?? or is there a more easy solution?for example, at hour of creating .deb, is there any option to specify if my app to want or won't root's password? |
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| 10:01.58 | ankur_ | sudo su |
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| 10:02.43 | wols | airtonarantes: what does it need root for? |
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| 10:03.41 | Manny | hi :) |
| 10:03.58 | stupidape | Greets. |
| 10:04.03 | Manny | I don't understand how to pin a package that matches the distro's one in version, but not in MD5 sum |
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| 10:04.41 | wols | Manny: just dpkg -i the special package |
| 10:04.42 | Manny | I use Package: foo |
| 10:04.42 | Manny | Pin: 0.8.7 |
| 10:04.42 | Manny | Pin-Priority: 1001 |
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| 10:05.03 | wols | why pinning? |
| 10:05.03 | Manny | but as I call apt-get update, the MD5 sums mismatch, and apt-get tries to install the distro's one |
| 10:05.12 | wols | !hold |
| 10:05.12 | dpkg | hold is a status flag which tells apt (or aptitude) not to automatically upgrade a package. To hold a package, 'echo pkgname hold|dpkg --set-selections' or use = in aptitude's curses interface. You can ignore a hold by using apt-get install foopkg; or by using + in aptitude's curses interface. [Note that this is *NOT* the same as packages which have been "held back" because they require packages that are not currently (or tri |
| 10:05.22 | Manny | thanks :) |
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| 10:05.55 | Eulex | Manny, if the package's md5 sum is incorrect, fix it. or tell the providers of the package to fix it. |
| 10:06.22 | airtonarantes | wols, because some app's program are installed,so is need to be root . |
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| 10:06.55 | wols | airtonarantes: that doesn't mean it ever needs root passowrd |
| 10:07.23 | Manny | Eulex: it's kind of a religious question: Are local hacks and workarounds that don't eliminate the root of problems supposed to go upstream? Of course, one should properly fix bugs but often you lack time and money. |
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| 10:07.56 | airtonarantes | wols, but to install any program I need root's password, no? |
| 10:07.57 | Eulex | Manny, a package with an incorrect md5sum is corrupt. |
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| 10:08.16 | Manny | Eulex: IC. I should have picked another name/suffix in the first place, right? |
| 10:08.23 | wols | Eulex: he ocmpiled his own vresion of a package |
| 10:08.31 | Eulex | wols, oh |
| 10:08.31 | wols | which got a new md5sum then |
| 10:08.47 | Eulex | right |
| 10:08.47 | wols | airtonarantes: to be able to run aptitude you have to be root in the first place |
| 10:09.03 | wols | airtonarantes: so it's very moot |
| 10:09.24 | Eulex | wols, false, you can start aptitude without being root. |
| 10:09.43 | wols | Eulex: ok, but you can't install stuff then |
| 10:09.47 | Eulex | but you won't be able to install packages before becoming root, but you can do that after starting aptitude |
| 10:10.09 | Eulex | that is, become root. |
| 10:10.16 | vyrus001 | how do i install an i386 .deb on an amd64 system? |
| 10:10.28 | airtonarantes | wols, I know |
| 10:10.39 | Manny | vyrus001: recompile it? :) |
| 10:10.58 | vyrus001 | Manny: lol i was afraid sombody was gona say that :D |
| 10:11.20 | wols | vyrus001: debootstrap in the crhoot |
| 10:11.32 | vyrus001 | wols: lol come again? |
| 10:11.35 | Manny | vyrus001: it's supposed to be quite simple, unless it is a low-level (i.e. architecture-dependant) package |
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| 10:11.38 | airtonarantes | wols, the apps is a frontend to install some programs, such as Flash,Java,Players,video and audio codecs |
| 10:11.43 | wols | vyrus001: you create a 32bit chroot |
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| 10:12.07 | airtonarantes | wols, I'm using PyGTK and Shell Script to do it |
| 10:12.10 | wols | airtonarantes: that is something #debian rarely if ever supports. it usually breaks debian |
| 10:12.11 | Manny | vyrus001: what package are you referring to? |
| 10:12.16 | wols | debian can install all that stuff on its own |
| 10:12.27 | vyrus001 | Manny: libstdc++2.10-glibc2.2_2.95.4-27_i386.deb |
| 10:12.44 | vyrus001 | wols: u mean make a 32 bit chroot and install to that, then move the files from there into my system? |
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| 10:13.39 | wols | vyrus001: no |
| 10:13.57 | wols | vyrus001: what app do you want to run? |
| 10:14.04 | vyrus001 | wols: wolfinstine ;) |
| 10:15.28 | airtonarantes | wols, because I want to learn how all work. |
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| 10:16.17 | airtonarantes | wols, I'm seeing some programs made, but nothing help me. |
| 10:17.31 | Anarka | libc 2.7 in sid amd64 ? does anyone know if this was a mistake or something ? |
| 10:17.41 | airtonarantes | wols, any idea? |
| 10:17.49 | wols | !tell airtonarantes about nm |
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| 10:20.03 | Eulex | Anarka, maintainers do rarely upload new versions of software by mistake. |
| 10:20.27 | Anarka | it would not be the first time a upload meant for experimental ended up in sid |
| 10:20.35 | airtonarantes | ok wols, thanks a lot |
| 10:20.45 | Anarka | and since its libc... i was kind of surprised :) |
| 10:21.46 | Eulex | Anarka, *shrug*, it has already been in experimental for a while |
| 10:22.00 | Anarka | that is true |
| 10:22.31 | Eulex | Anarka, and there are no non-fixed 2.7-specific bugs in the bts |
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| 10:23.07 | Anarka | Eulex tnx for info :) |
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| 10:25.58 | Hoxzer | are there any tools that can redirect key presses from certain /dev/input/eventX to certain window ? |
| 10:26.02 | Hoxzer | Using fluxbox. |
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| 10:38.34 | Hoxzer | I suppose it is not possible to install nvidia-kernel binaries via backports for linux-kernel installed via backports ? |
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| 10:39.01 | zicho | Hoxzer: I suggest asking in #fluxbox |
| 10:39.15 | zicho | About your previous question, that is. |
| 10:39.20 | Hoxzer | yes :\ |
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| 10:41.54 | wols | Hoxzer: it is possible to install the drivers. use m-a |
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| 10:45.03 | Hoxzer | wols: :( sad but that means compiling |
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| 10:45.28 | Hoxzer | wols: can m-a compile/install them automatically after every kernel update ? |
| 10:46.04 | Eulex | Hoxzer, it means _automatic_ compiling, though. |
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| 10:47.00 | Eulex | Hoxzer, if there are nvidia-kernel binaries for the backported kernel, it sure would be possible to install them. |
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| 10:47.19 | Hoxzer | Eulex: I dont think there are |
| 10:47.19 | wols | Hoxzer: that's the point of it |
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| 10:47.43 | Hoxzer | wols: I dont like to do same things all over again because of update :P |
| 10:47.49 | Hoxzer | *upgrade |
| 10:48.16 | Eulex | Hoxzer, use a stable kernel then. |
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| 10:50.55 | Kamping_Kaiser | xingu, :o |
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| 10:57.36 | fireba11 | hm .. what program would be in charge of renaming mail attachments to defanged ? i need to change settings for that but embarassingly i got no idea where it comes from on my own mailserver |
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| 10:58.02 | xingu | fireba11: possibly, amavis? |
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| 10:58.56 | fireba11 | xingu : and where would config for that be ? |
| 10:59.09 | xingu | must... resist... urge... to buy... 8800m-gtx notebook... before... penryn |
| 10:59.16 | Kamping_Kaiser | hehe |
| 10:59.30 | xingu | fireba11: no idea :) it's a wild guess |
| 10:59.31 | fireba11 | haha |
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| 11:00.51 | xingu | I _so_ wanna go play the cuda happy dance... but I know that doing it before penryn, before a revision or so on the 45nm peripheral chips are ready, is going to be a hot, buggy, expensive mistake |
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| 11:06.34 | b0ha | hello |
| 11:06.43 | b0ha | im installing debian for the first time |
| 11:06.56 | b0ha | im going to install it on my laptop |
| 11:07.08 | b0ha | hp compaq 6720s |
| 11:07.38 | b0ha | i was wondering if someone can help me |
| 11:07.59 | b0ha | how do i install debian with kde desktop ? |
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| 11:08.04 | b0ha | instead of gnome |
| 11:08.26 | b0ha | (im installling debian 4.0 r1 etch) |
| 11:09.28 | Enverex | b0ha, You install KDE and remove Gnome... |
| 11:10.37 | wols | b0ha: there is a version of CD1 which installs kde instead of gnome |
| 11:10.39 | Kamping_Kaiser | grab the kde install iso? |
| 11:10.49 | wols | same place as the other install CDs |
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| 11:24.11 | b0ha | hmm how can i check what enthernet card do i have |
| 11:24.29 | Kamping_Kaiser | lspci |
| 11:24.38 | Kamping_Kaiser | lspci |grep Eth |
| 11:25.22 | b0ha | what about if i'm in the middle of installation |
| 11:25.32 | b0ha | can i configure this later ? |
| 11:25.56 | Kamping_Kaiser | yep |
| 11:27.03 | xored | how do i generate the exim configuration file under debian ? |
| 11:27.13 | thedonvaughn | b0ha: chances are debian will discover your ethernet card and load your module for you automatically. check with ifconfig -a after the install to see if you have an ethernet interface |
| 11:27.35 | Kamping_Kaiser | xored, dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config |
| 11:28.21 | xored | Kamping_Kaiser: hmm, i cant find the configuration file in /etc/exim4 then...how is it named ? |
| 11:28.40 | thedonvaughn | xored: it's not one file |
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| 11:28.56 | thedonvaughn | xored: /etc/exim4/conf.d/ |
| 11:29.09 | xored | thedonvaughn: cant i let debian generate me the std exim configuratoin file ( single file ) |
| 11:29.44 | xored | thedonvaughn: i know that they have been splitted up, bt i thought its just a template system and i use a script to generate the actual config file ( single file ) |
| 11:29.51 | thedonvaughn | *shrugs*, i only use exim on workstations that i don't use email on :) |
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| 11:30.12 | thedonvaughn | I am way more familiar with postfix... and sendmail |
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| 11:30.19 | BabyShack | How i can i use dhclient on eth0:0 ? |
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| 11:30.30 | xored | BabyShack: dhclient eth0 ? |
| 11:31.15 | BabyShack | xored: already have dynamic ip there, but i want one more on eth0:0 |
| 11:31.33 | thedonvaughn | xored: but uhm, Kamping_Kaiser did anwser you |
| 11:31.47 | thedonvaughn | BabyShack: dhclient eth0:0 fail? |
| 11:31.54 | Hoxzer | *debian |
| 11:31.55 | dutchfish | xored, iface eth0 inet dhcp |
| 11:32.19 | dutchfish | xored, man interfaces ;) |
| 11:32.26 | xored | Kamping_Kaiser: that is not generatig me the std exim conf file used in other OS like gentoo or elsewere |
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| 11:32.42 | Kamping_Kaiser | xored, funny that, this being debian and all.... |
| 11:32.44 | xored | Kamping_Kaiser: iam not gonna use the debian way if i cant simply copy the configuration file to other systems |
| 11:33.07 | Kamping_Kaiser | xored, then dont. but if you dont, its your problem. i *cant* help |
| 11:33.17 | thedonvaughn | BabyShack: you could always put it in your /etc/network/interfaces. auto eth0:0 ; iface eth0:0 inet dhcp |
| 11:33.22 | diafic | I have a thinkpad x24 and a 4GB Microdrive. The thinkpad can boot from it. How do I install to it? |
| 11:33.25 | xored | Kamping_Kaiser: iam setting this up on and for a debian box but it might be i have to work with a simalar configuration on customers servers |
| 11:33.35 | diafic | because the installer doesn't detect it |
| 11:33.48 | BabyShack | thedonvaughn: Bind socket to interface: No such device |
| 11:33.52 | Kamping_Kaiser | xored, i'd also suggest looking in /usr/share/doc/exim4-* and checking the readmes - they probably explain any special changes |
| 11:34.06 | thedonvaughn | BabyShack: use the interfaces method |
| 11:34.07 | xored | Kamping_Kaiser: so there is no way to generate the "original"-single-file-exim configuration ( classic one ) out of the debian templates ? |
| 11:34.08 | dutchfish | !tap |
| 11:34.08 | dpkg | hmm... tap is crazy ;) (apt, tap, are you trying to confuse me?), or annoying :) |
| 11:34.32 | Kamping_Kaiser | xored, single file is an option within the debian tool - what didnt work about it? |
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| 11:35.04 | BabyShack | thedonvaughn: How ? |
| 11:35.11 | thedonvaughn | BabyShack: i just told u |
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| 11:35.37 | BabyShack | thedonvaughn: hmm... i need to get ip address from dsl provider |
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| 11:35.53 | xored | Kamping_Kaiser: iam not sure what "debians" mean with that, use update-exim4-conf with an output file, i get a single file with the template stuff in it, ot the configuratoin file |
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| 11:36.06 | barbatron | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:36.07 | barbatron | *** #debian Maulkin 1194868073 |
| 11:36.07 | barbatron | -ChanServ- [#debian] Welcome to #Debian. This is a discussion channel; if you have a question about |
| 11:36.07 | barbatron | +Debian GNU/Linux, ask and we will try our best to answer it. Newcomers should read the channel's |
| 11:36.07 | barbatron | +guidelines by typing "/msg dpkg guidelines". Please do not paste in the channel; use #flood instead. |
| 11:36.07 | barbatron | +Thank you. |
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| 11:36.09 | thedonvaughn | 05:34 < thedonvaughn> BabyShack: you could always put it in your /etc/network/interfaces. auto eth0:0 ; iface eth0:0 inet dhcp |
| 11:36.18 | thedonvaughn | BabyShack: ^^ |
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| 11:36.26 | xored | Kamping_Kaiser: i mean all the debians did is writing a backend for the configuration file of exim which generates the file out of many, better structured one, or ? |
| 11:36.36 | Kamping_Kaiser | xored, the command i gave you before |
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| 11:36.42 | thedonvaughn | BabyShack: edit that file and look at what i typed. it should make sense to you. after that you can issue /etc/init.d/networking restart |
| 11:36.52 | BabyShack | thedonvaughn: okey, gonna test it |
| 11:36.54 | xored | Kamping_Kaiser: it is simply not working or i cant find the file. |
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| 11:37.02 | bliss_ | i have installed thunderbird mail client expept its called icedove but there are no gnupg icons? |
| 11:37.11 | thedonvaughn | BabyShack: but i'm also not 100% that you can dhcp an interface alias like that |
| 11:37.12 | bliss_ | except |
| 11:37.41 | Kamping_Kaiser | xored, # /etc/exim4/update-exim4.conf.conf |
| 11:37.41 | Kamping_Kaiser | # Edit this file and /etc/mailname by hand and execute update-exim4.conf |
| 11:37.41 | Kamping_Kaiser | # yourself or use 'dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config' |
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| 11:37.49 | Kamping_Kaiser | give it a shot. |
| 11:38.06 | Kamping_Kaiser | bliss_, correct. its the debian version. its just renamed, not gnu code |
| 11:38.43 | dimir | Morning! |
| 11:39.01 | Kamping_Kaiser | hey :) |
| 11:39.24 | diafic | I have a thinkpad x24 and a 4GB Microdrive. The thinkpad can boot from it. How do I install to it? The debian installer doesn't pick it up |
| 11:39.27 | thedonvaughn | bliss_: standard icons aren't licesend gpl. this is the reason icon set isn't included. mozilla has a claus that states if you don't include upstream icon set you can't call it by their upstream name (firefox, thunderbird). hence icefox and icedove. |
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| 11:39.40 | xored | Kamping_Kaiser: call me stupid or whatevrer, but all i get is another "big" template file with the same if-defs i see in the splitted one, but i cant find the configuration file. |
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| 11:40.22 | dutchfish | diafic, if you have a cdrom you can boot from or othe rboot device you could use a net-install iso |
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| 11:40.31 | Kamping_Kaiser | xored, i havent tried to do what your doing - look in /usr/share/doc/exim4-* - its all i can suggest |
| 11:40.46 | diafic | dutchfish, it is a net-install ISO |
| 11:40.49 | bliss_ | Kamping_Kaiser: thanks for that, i tried to install enigmail but could not in a nutshell i want a mail client with a gui gnupg |
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| 11:41.03 | diafic | its running off a CD and I'm trying to put it on (effectively) a CF card |
| 11:41.29 | dutchfish | diafic, then you should make it bootable, and its should run |
| 11:41.31 | Kamping_Kaiser | bliss_, engimail is in apt- is that the one you tried? |
| 11:41.52 | diafic | how do I make it bootable? |
| 11:42.01 | diafic | It doesn't even show up in the partition manager |
| 11:42.14 | dutchfish | diafic, how did you install it? |
| 11:42.19 | diafic | I haven't |
| 11:42.23 | diafic | I'm trying to install it |
| 11:42.30 | diafic | the installer can't find it |
| 11:42.47 | dutchfish | diafic, what installer? |
| 11:42.48 | capiira | hi anyone here can help me to configure a wireless card using rt2x00 in /etc/network/interfaces ? |
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| 11:43.16 | diafic | the debian installer included on the debian install iso ._. |
| 11:43.48 | dutchfish | diafic, correct me if i am wrong, you booted the installer from another device? |
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| 11:44.00 | BabyShack | thedonvaughn: same shit :( |
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| 11:44.03 | diafic | .. |
| 11:44.36 | dutchfish | diafic hold on |
| 11:44.48 | diafic | dutchfish, I have an IBM x24. It has a 4GB microdrive (tiny 1" hard disk) in the CF slot. I have the debian CD in the DVD drive. I cannot install to the microdrive because it can't see the microdrive in the partitionaer |
| 11:45.03 | bliss_ | Kamping_Kaiser: thanks take a look here http://pastebin.ca/795731 |
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| 11:45.31 | thedonvaughn | BabyShack: not sure then man |
| 11:45.38 | Kamping_Kaiser | bliss_, mozilla-thunderbird-enigmail |
| 11:45.52 | deb | I am facing problem configuring my home network. Can any body help? I shall discuss the problem in detail. |
| 11:45.59 | thedonvaughn | BabyShack: it may not be possible |
| 11:46.00 | dutchfish | diafic, ok, so you need its drivers and the bios need to support booting from it |
| 11:46.02 | Kamping_Kaiser | bliss_, btw. apt is case sensitive - "Enigmail" doesnt exist, "enigmail" does |
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| 11:46.19 | diafic | 1) Drivers come from where? 2) It is |
| 11:46.46 | thedonvaughn | BabyShack: so you added an auto eth0:0 line and a iface eth0:0 inet dhcp line? |
| 11:46.51 | dutchfish | diafic, what does lspci tells you? |
| 11:46.59 | thedonvaughn | BabyShack: with that still in /etc/network/interfaces, does ifup eth0:0 bring it up? |
| 11:47.00 | diafic | I dunno yet |
| 11:47.06 | BabyShack | thedonvaughn: yeah |
| 11:47.08 | diafic | looking |
| 11:47.18 | diafic | errm. Not a whole lot. |
| 11:47.22 | BabyShack | thedonvaughn: tried ifup Failed to bring up eth0:0. |
| 11:47.26 | bliss_ | Kamping_Kaiser: ok i have installed icedove alredy so run enigmail or mozilla-thunderbird-enigmail? |
| 11:47.31 | diafic | USB controllers, nothing suggesting its connected to a microdrive |
| 11:47.33 | dutchfish | diafic, lspci -v |
| 11:47.37 | liable | bah, wodim doesnt like my jmicron controller, and my sky2 ethernet connection sucks for throuput to my other box |
| 11:47.38 | thedonvaughn | BabyShack: yah, don't think it's possble to dhcp an interface alias like eth0:0 |
| 11:47.48 | liable | stupid fucking mobo |
| 11:47.51 | diafic | ahah! |
| 11:47.59 | dutchfish | diafic, is your device listed? |
| 11:48.01 | diafic | Cardbus bridge: Richoh blah |
| 11:48.11 | diafic | Subsytem: IBM unknown device 0185 |
| 11:48.19 | diafic | That SHOULD be my IBM microdrive |
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| 11:48.26 | Kamping_Kaiser | bliss_, try mozilla-thunderbird-enigmail. if that doesnt work you may need to file a bug |
| 11:48.42 | dutchfish | diafic, well, now its the race to get its device driver and modprobe it |
| 11:48.52 | diafic | where do I find it? |
| 11:49.12 | dutchfish | diafic, i have no idee maybe others now |
| 11:49.13 | thedonvaughn | bliss_: u can alywas just download enigmail plugin directly from official site too |
| 11:49.57 | liable | i take that back, its my shit wireless driver on my laptop |
| 11:50.25 | bliss_ | thedonvaughn:ok thanks i have looked for the plugin but i will look again |
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| 11:50.31 | benvdh | hey, I have to maintain about 2 desktops and a debian server for my study association, but there's currently one problem that bothers most people, and that is that msn is not working. I already tried installing kopete, amsn and gaim, but all of them are not working. They all have connection problems, all tls and ssl packages are installed as far as I know, and people also tried connecting... |
| 11:50.33 | benvdh | ...using their windows laptops and that did seem to work. Any thoughts on how to solve this problem ? |
| 11:50.47 | dutchfish | diafic, maybe this: http://bee2.eecs.berkeley.edu/wiki/Bee2DebianRootFs.html |
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| 11:51.00 | diafic | *click* |
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| 11:51.10 | Kamping_Kaiser | benvdh, 'not working'? Works For Me... |
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| 11:51.50 | dutchfish | diafic, its basically the same as usb stick booting |
| 11:51.58 | diafic | OK |
| 11:52.11 | diafic | I'll follow that as soon as I complete this standard hard disk install :P |
| 11:52.11 | dutchfish | diafic, it need to be fat16 and bootable |
| 11:53.36 | dutchfish | diafic, this one should help better: http://www.debian.org/releases/etch/i386/ch04s04.html.en |
| 11:54.08 | benvdh | I know, it worked before, but strangely from one day to the other, it didn't work anymore, only 2 things have changed in the mean time, the computers have moved, and I removed some packages since the standard debian kde desktop had to much packages. Some people in the IT committee suggested that I probably removed to many packages, but I already tried re-installing kopete and that also didn't work |
| 11:54.49 | benvdh | the clients just keep trying to connect but they never succeed |
| 11:55.01 | dutchfish | benvdh, you firewall allows it? just a wild shot in the dark |
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| 11:55.47 | diafic | thanks dutchfish :) |
| 11:55.53 | benvdh | We already looked at that, since there is a seperate firewall in the network, but since windows clients are able to connect it doesn't seem to be a problem with the firewall |
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| 11:56.26 | dutchfish | diafic, does https connections work from your desktops? |
| 11:56.32 | fabrice_ | hi, can someone tell me wich disk format is the default for debian ? (xfs , ext3 ?) |
| 11:56.41 | benvdh | we are using endian firewall btw. |
| 11:57.18 | bliss_ | Kamping_Kaiser; yes your correct smaill e |
| 11:57.18 | diafic | dutchfish, yeah. Why? |
| 11:57.35 | bliss_ | small "e' |
| 11:57.41 | dutchfish | diafic, was ment for benvdh |
| 11:57.43 | blan_ | anybody knows a console-program which shows the gpl-warranty message? |
| 11:58.08 | Kamping_Kaiser | blan_, pardon? |
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| 11:58.30 | Kamping_Kaiser | blan_, `cat /usr/share/common-licenses/GPL` ? |
| 11:58.43 | diafic | aah |
| 11:58.43 | blan_ | Kamping_Kaiser: "This program comes with ABSOLUTELY NO WARRANTY; for details type `show w'..." |
| 11:59.18 | Kamping_Kaiser | nope, dont know any |
| 12:00.38 | blan_ | Kamping_Kaiser: do you know which part i have to show on "show c" - "This is free software, and you are welcome to redistribute it under certain conditions; type `show c' for details." |
| 12:00.49 | dutchfish | fabrice_, ext3 but you can easely choose others |
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| 12:01.41 | Kamping_Kaiser | blan_, sounds like your thinking of a specific app, and i dont know it |
| 12:02.47 | fabrice_ | ok, is it ok to use Xfs too ? i've got a new hard disk that i plan to use with zenwalk (xfs a default), not sure if i'll stay with zenwalk as i'd like to try debian too ;) |
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| 12:03.12 | xored | anybody here who can tell me, what exactly the exim lsearch syntax like this means, i cant find proper docs right now : ${lookup{$local_part@$domain} |
| 12:03.28 | dutchfish | fabrice_, if you know the drawback of xfs why not, sure you can |
| 12:04.03 | fabrice_ | what's the drawback in you opinion then ? |
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| 12:04.27 | dutchfish | fabrice_, but i would prefer a dual boot with spearte partitions ext3 for debian xfs for other ... |
| 12:04.53 | dutchfish | fabrice_, spearte= separate sorry |
| 12:04.54 | fabrice_ | dutchfish, is xfs that slow ? |
| 12:05.01 | dpkg | Debian Package/File/Desc Search of 'IP/Country/Fast.pm' returned no results. |
| 12:05.05 | TrueDD | Hi all |
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| 12:05.31 | dutchfish | fabrice_, its not speed that bothers me, but the journeling of xfs, specially in case when it burps |
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| 12:06.12 | dutchfish | fabrice_, but thats my personal opinion only ;) |
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| 12:06.47 | fabrice_ | dutchfish, do you mean journaling in case of power outage (thunderstorms, no more electricity) ? what's the use of journaling beside that ? |
| 12:07.22 | benvdh | Dutchfish, I'll try have a look at the https connections when I am able to access the computers again, since I don't have access to them in the weekends, any other things I should look at ? |
| 12:07.26 | dutchfish | fabrice_, lost 2x with unrecovrable errors on xfs already, ext3 is ... well ... rockstable |
| 12:07.48 | cahoot | rock as in limestone ;) |
| 12:08.14 | dutchfish | benvdh, if you use gaim its pretty strait forward to config |
| 12:09.02 | fabrice_ | dutchfish, i'm already using ext3 on opensuse 10.3, i can't complain so far ;) i'm just looking for an option that will work for both (trying not to have to format the HD all the time) |
| 12:09.07 | dutchfish | cahoot, not again ;) but if you can suggest better ones let me now, btw i am testing ext4 /// |
| 12:09.28 | benvdh | I already tried gaim which also didn't work |
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| 12:10.14 | dutchfish | benvdh, also check if the use rhave sufficient rights to do so |
| 12:10.32 | fabrice_ | dutchfish, so lets speak debian , is there an iso of the last one ? i once tried an on the edge debian recently sid or sthg like that, it was pretty neat |
| 12:10.54 | deb | I am using debian-3.1r2. The internet connects properly but when I say "#ping debian.org" I get error host not found and when I say "#ping 192.25.206.10" I get error Operation not permitted. I don't know what is the reason behind. Keeping in mind that I have had using the same internet connection on the same computer. |
| 12:11.57 | dutchfish | fabrice_, just use debian net install iso and take the epxert install you have all the options to your likings in etch installer to config every common and not so common fs's |
| 12:11.59 | deb | The problem started when I installed eth in my home |
| 12:12.05 | benvdh | I am an admin, and for me this also doesn't work, but I'll try to have a look if the root account is able to connect |
| 12:12.28 | benvdh | just for once, I won't use it all the time |
| 12:12.49 | fabrice_ | so etch equals 3.1 ? |
| 12:13.16 | b0ha | i install debian successfuly |
| 12:13.36 | fabrice_ | dutchfish, i guess that net install iso is the smallest one ? |
| 12:13.42 | b0ha | how can i set 1280x800 desktop resolution ? |
| 12:13.56 | cahoot | b0ha: xrandr? |
| 12:14.35 | dutchfish | fabrice_, i favor it if you have a good internet conection, the fastest way to install debian |
| 12:14.39 | deb | Did any one got that what is the problem with my system. OR should I explain it further???? |
| 12:15.34 | b0ha | cahoot, that returns me 3 resolutions 1024 x 768, 800 x 600 and 640 x 480 |
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| 12:16.44 | benvdh | deb, do you even get an ip ? (check this by running ifconfig as root) |
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| 12:17.13 | cahoot | b0ha: if you run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg - can you force the wanted reso? |
| 12:17.14 | dutchfish | deb, check /etc/resolv.conf is pointing to the right dns servers |
| 12:17.19 | fabrice_ | dutchfish, my web connection is good, i'll try this way i guess ;) |
| 12:17.28 | dutchfish | fabrice_, yup |
| 12:18.09 | deb | yes |
| 12:18.23 | deb | benvdh: I get IP and DNS |
| 12:18.28 | dutchfish | deb, can you ping an external ip? |
| 12:18.45 | dutchfish | deb, and are you root? |
| 12:19.14 | deb | dutchfish: No, even the 192.168.10.2 does not work, which is IP of another computer in my room |
| 12:19.29 | fabrice_ | dutchfish, do you know hardware ? i 've added some ram to my old pc and 128 gb in L1 cache and 512 in L2 cache, is the opposot making a difference ? |
| 12:19.43 | dutchfish | deb, what does ifconfig tells you? |
| 12:20.11 | deb | dutchfish: it say everything is OK. my IP is 192.168 |
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| 12:20.40 | olspookishmagus | hello... is anyone on Etch with Gnome 2.20.1 having issues with gnome-keyboard-properties too? |
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| 12:21.06 | olspookishmagus | unfortunatelly... No maintainer for gnome-desktop-control. Please do not report new bugs against this package. |
| 12:21.06 | deb | dutchfish: it say everything is OK. my IP is 203.135.9.109 P-t-P:203.135.0.117 Mask:255.255.255.255 |
| 12:21.06 | doma | hi |
| 12:21.06 | doma | how can i set logrotate to NEVER delete log files ? |
| 12:21.12 | doma | i want from it to rotate it forever |
| 12:21.23 | benvdh | i have to go now, if i still have problems i will probably be back, thanks for the help now, bye |
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| 12:21.45 | Usiu | hI |
| 12:21.51 | dutchfish | deb, is this machine connected to a router/modem to the internet? |
| 12:21.55 | Usiu | how to check what kind of memory I have |
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| 12:22.08 | Usiu | without disassembling laptop |
| 12:22.09 | Usiu | ? |
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| 12:22.14 | cahoot | dmidecode |
| 12:22.21 | Usiu | cahoot, thx |
| 12:22.25 | deb | dutchfish: I am using Lucent WinModem |
| 12:22.25 | cahoot | possibly |
| 12:23.03 | dutchfish | deb, then your problem can be related to routing/nat |
| 12:24.35 | deb | dutchfish: I explain it further, My eth0 works properly, even when the internet connects, problem starts when I am assigned DNS IPs and WvDial says "PPP is up and running" |
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| 12:24.52 | dutchfish | deb, you could paste /etc/network/interfaces to pastebin ;) |
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| 12:25.27 | nexxu | hi, how can I install killall ? |
| 12:25.38 | dutchfish | deb, look carefully how default gateway is setup |
| 12:26.13 | b0ha | cahoot, i can't choose 1280 x 800 in that configuration |
| 12:26.27 | b0ha | there are lets say 1280 x 960 ... |
| 12:26.53 | cahoot | b0ha: the display is capable of that resolution? |
| 12:26.55 | deb | dutchfish: here is interfaces file. iface eth0 inet static; name Ethernet LAN card; address 192.168.10.1; netmask 255.255.255.0; broadcast 192.168.10.255; network 192.168.10.0; gateway 192.168.10.1; auto eth0 |
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| 12:27.23 | b0ha | cahoot, yes i have laptop 15,4" widescreen |
| 12:27.56 | cahoot | b0ha: incidentally that's what I have here on my T61 |
| 12:28.05 | dutchfish | deb, think again about this line ... how the packages would travel to the outside from within your lan? |
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| 12:28.40 | deb | dutchfish: you mean gateway is wrong |
| 12:29.10 | cahoot | b0ha: (and got it automagically) |
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| 12:30.14 | dutchfish | deb, i need to go but here is the answer: http://www.crazysquirrel.com/computing/debian/network/firewall.jspx |
| 12:30.43 | deb | dutchfish: but the internet also does not work either eth0 is up or down. can you say why it is so |
| 12:30.56 | dutchfish | !nat |
| 12:30.56 | dpkg | Network Address Translation. See also <ipmasq>, or patented by CISCO, or ipmasq is not exactly like NAT, the former is more flexible while the latter gains widely recognition. See also <netfilter docs> or $BROWSER /usr/share/doc/iptables/html/NAT-HOWTO-4.html#ss4.1, or http://www.cs.utk.edu/~moore/what-nats-break.html, or configured easily with a GUI using either the 'guidedog' or 'guarddog' packages. |
| 12:32.11 | capiira | anyone know if the iwpriv commands changed? i'm getting a invalid command set all the time ! |
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| 12:33.30 | cahoot | capiira: can only agree with your experience |
| 12:33.48 | capiira | :/ |
| 12:34.00 | capiira | i'm trying to setup my wlan card |
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| 12:34.13 | capiira | no chance |
| 12:34.35 | cahoot | capiira: to be totally honest that was on a sid system |
| 12:34.46 | olspookishmagus | Hello once more, is anyone on Etch with Gnome 2.20.1 having issues with gnome-keyboard-properties too? |
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| 12:35.01 | olspookishmagus | it ends with a Segmentation fault |
| 12:35.05 | capiira | im on testing |
| 12:35.33 | cahoot | capiira: wpasupplicant does the job for me |
| 12:35.37 | doma | it is possible to tell logrotate to not delete log files ? so it will rotate them forever |
| 12:37.14 | jelly-home | doma: put a huge number for the rotate option? |
| 12:37.41 | doma | jelly-home how big number it can take ? |
| 12:37.49 | jelly-home | doma: no idea ;-) |
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| 12:37.51 | cahoot | mail to gmail ;) |
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| 12:38.20 | stew | doma: use 0 |
| 12:38.38 | stew | doma: (man 8 logrotate) |
| 12:38.38 | sw3etprincess | does anyone knows an email/imap checker (for in tray/dock) for gnome? |
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| 12:39.51 | doma | stew heh: "If count is 0, old versions are removed rather than rotated." |
| 12:40.16 | jelly-home | stew: er... no. |
| 12:40.52 | stew | oh, oops, sorry |
| 12:41.15 | doma | i really wonder why it can't do such a thing |
| 12:41.16 | jelly-home | take your own rtfm :-> |
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| 12:41.52 | olspookishmagus | CAN ANYONE PLEASE check whether gnome-keyboard-properties is working on their Debian/Etch systems with Gnome 2.20.1? |
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| 12:42.16 | simonrvn | o_O |
| 12:42.42 | clamiax | What's wrong in this ~/.w3m/keymap string: keymap ^w CLOSE_TAB ? |
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| 12:43.31 | stew | olspookishmagus: seeing as how 2.20.1 isn't even in testing yet, you are unlikely to find many people running it in etch |
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| 12:43.36 | stew | olspookishmagus: did you check the bts? |
| 12:43.51 | jelly-home | doma: well, it uses strtoul to read the argument. So I guess you'd be safe with 2^31-1, 2147483647 |
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| 12:44.13 | stew | jelly-home: what if he wants to keep more logs than that? |
| 12:44.22 | olspookishmagus | stew: pardon me then, I am running testing and it's Gnome 2.20.1 in testing |
| 12:44.38 | Jaxos | Helo. I have installed debian successfully. Now I want to have 2 network cards in computer so I turned it off put second network card in, turned on computer again but it detect only one network card when I write ifconfig -a ... Do I need to install the second one or what? |
| 12:44.40 | stew | !info gnome-control-center testing |
| 12:44.45 | dpkg | gnome-control-center: (utilities to configure the GNOME desktop), section gnome, is optional. Version: 1:2.18.1-1 (lenny), Packaged size: 611 kB, Installed size: 1552 kB |
| 12:44.56 | stew | olspookishmagus: 2.20.1 isn't in testing yet |
| 12:45.26 | olspookishmagus | stew: ok its not my fault entirely thought -> http://packages.debian.org/testing/gnome/gnome-about |
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| 12:45.39 | jelly-home | stew: people setting up long-lived automated systems shouldn't ask for design tips on irc. |
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| 12:46.27 | stew | olspookishmagus: have you checked the bts? |
| 12:46.46 | olspookishmagus | what's bts? backtrace? |
| 12:46.58 | stew | olspookishmagus: /msg dpkg bts |
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| 12:47.20 | olspookishmagus | /msg dpkg bts |
| 12:47.24 | olspookishmagus | =P |
| 12:47.39 | stew | dpkg: tell olspookishmagus about bts |
| 12:47.51 | jelly-home | doma: if your rotations are not run more often than once a day, I guess using an arbitrary large number that looks nicer, like a million, is a better idea |
| 12:48.06 | olspookishmagus | stew: newp nothing there that fits my problem... |
| 12:48.54 | stew | olspookishmagus: /msg dpkg reportbug |
| 12:49.02 | olspookishmagus | http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/pkgreport.cgi?pkg=gnome-control-center;dist=testing |
| 12:49.36 | stew | olspookishmagus: that only shows bugs in testing, but you are running gnome-control-center from unstable, right? |
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| 12:51.09 | olspookishmagus | stew: how can I tell? |
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| 12:51.19 | stew | olspookishmagus: what version do you have installed? |
| 12:51.38 | wirefire | hi is there anyway to mount .cue/.bin files without converting them to an iso first? |
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| 12:52.01 | stew | olspookishmagus: you can compare the version to the available versions in http://packages.debian.org/gnome-control-center or see which has moved to testing in http://packages.qa.debian.org/control-center |
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| 12:52.30 | olspookishmagus | it's 1:28-1.1.1 |
| 12:52.51 | olspookishmagus | so it's testing |
| 12:53.19 | irule | hi there |
| 12:53.19 | stew | uhh |
| 12:53.57 | irule | how may I setup a new nic? its an old realtek 8139 card and it says link is not ready |
| 12:54.10 | olspookishmagus | am I the only one here on testing? |
| 12:54.15 | stew | olspookishmagus: no |
| 12:54.30 | olspookishmagus | stew: do you have testing as well? |
| 12:54.33 | stew | yes |
| 12:54.44 | olspookishmagus | stew: do you compile gnome-control-center yourself? |
| 12:54.50 | stew | olspookishmagus: no |
| 12:55.07 | olspookishmagus | stew: can you check whether gnome-control-center is working for you? |
| 12:55.42 | olspookishmagus | this is the output of 'strace gnome-keyboard-properties' -> http://www.pastebin.ca/793184 |
| 12:55.51 | stew | olspookishmagus: gnome-control-center works, gnome-keyboard-properties segfaults |
| 12:56.01 | olspookishmagus | stew: precisely =) |
| 12:56.10 | stew | olspookishmagus: /msg dpkg reportbug |
| 12:56.20 | olspookishmagus | I just checked it with 2 Ubuntu folks, who say that it works fine on Ubunty |
| 12:56.25 | olspookishmagus | ubuntu* |
| 12:56.54 | olspookishmagus | so I guess the most appropriate place to fill a bug report is Debian BTS |
| 12:57.02 | stew | olspookishmagus: yes |
| 12:57.06 | olspookishmagus | stew: thanks for the help so far |
| 12:57.17 | cahoot | olspookishmagus: gnome-keyboard-properties segfaults here too (FWIW) |
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| 13:00.58 | b0ha | how can i set dsl connection ? |
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| 13:01.27 | b0ha | i tried with pppoeconf but it says that command is not fount |
| 13:01.30 | b0ha | found* |
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| 13:01.58 | simonrvn | has to be installed and run as root ;) |
| 13:02.36 | olspookishmagus | stew: where can I read more on the levels of reportbug [novice/standard/...]? like the information I will be asked in each mode? |
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| 13:06.27 | stew | olspookishmagus: i don't know |
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| 13:08.06 | hark | olspookishmagus: fyi, the bug's already been filed |
| 13:09.10 | olspookishmagus | hark: url? |
| 13:09.10 | hark | and fixed with the new gnome-control-center |
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| 13:09.37 | stew | !dbugs 443458 |
| 13:09.40 | dpkg | DONE:#443458:I[gnome-control-center] gnome-control-center: gnome-keyboard-properties crashes with new libxklavier; Fri, 21 Sep 2007 14:09:02 UTC |
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| 13:12.13 | b0ha | ok i installed pppoeconf |
| 13:12.37 | b0ha | but it says he cannot detect my network card |
| 13:13.21 | b0ha | and that i have to choose driver manually with modconf |
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| 13:13.42 | b0ha | then i have a lot of options to choose |
| 13:13.46 | LordDoskias | hello |
| 13:13.49 | LordDoskias | i need tun/tap itnerfaces support |
| 13:13.57 | b0ha | but i dont know which is the correct one |
| 13:13.58 | LordDoskias | and apparantly my kernel doesn't have it |
| 13:14.12 | LordDoskias | is there any way, beside pre-compilling, to enable the support? |
| 13:14.19 | LordDoskias | some package or similar? |
| 13:14.39 | liable | LordDoskias: debian kernels have this module |
| 13:14.54 | LordDoskias | SIOCSIFADDR: No such device |
| 13:14.54 | LordDoskias | tun0: ERROR while getting interface flags: No such device |
| 13:14.54 | LordDoskias | pointtopoint: Unknown host |
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| 13:15.27 | LordDoskias | liable what's the module's name ? |
| 13:15.37 | liable | LordDoskias: tun |
| 13:15.39 | meldron | hi, is it possilby to run lighttpd und apache2 at the same time without major problems? |
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| 13:15.58 | LordDoskias | same thing, although the module loaded? |
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| 13:16.25 | urv | LordDoskias: try "modprobe -l | grep tun.ko" to see whether you have the module |
| 13:16.29 | liable | check lsmod and dmesg |
| 13:16.53 | LordDoskias | here: /lib/modules/2.6.18-4-xen-vserver-686/kernel/drivers/net/tun.ko |
| 13:16.57 | urv | LordDoskias: "modprobe tun" to lo load the module |
| 13:17.07 | LordDoskias | it is loaded |
| 13:17.22 | LordDoskias | tun 11104 0 |
| 13:19.06 | LordDoskias | any ideas? |
| 13:19.18 | urv | LordDoskias: what are you trying to do? |
| 13:19.24 | LordDoskias | openvpn |
| 13:20.09 | LordDoskias | Sat Nov 24 13:18:45 2007 Note: Cannot open TUN/TAP dev /dev/net/tun: No such file or directory (errno=2) |
| 13:20.09 | LordDoskias | Sat Nov 24 13:18:45 2007 Note: Attempting fallback to kernel 2.2 TUN/TAP interface |
| 13:20.10 | LordDoskias | Sat Nov 24 13:18:45 2007 Cannot allocate TUN/TAP dev dynamically |
| 13:20.10 | urv | LordDoskias: is the client started and connected? |
| 13:20.16 | LordDoskias | i cannot start the server |
| 13:20.20 | LordDoskias | how can i start the client |
| 13:20.20 | LordDoskias | o_O |
| 13:20.39 | LordDoskias | i want to run the server |
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| 13:23.17 | LordDoskias | dmesg shows that everything should be fine |
| 13:23.21 | LordDoskias | tun: Universal TUN/TAP device driver, 1.6 |
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| 13:25.10 | LordDoskias | gonna be back later |
| 13:25.18 | LordDoskias | hope i will get it fixed ASAP |
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| 13:25.51 | Hoxzer | how do I active display with a comman d? |
| 13:25.59 | DJ-Marcuzz | good morning |
| 13:26.00 | Hoxzer | for example move mouse there |
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| 13:28.28 | DJ-Marcuzz | i have a question: i have an file server, where as the name says it, are all my files. now i have another maschine that needs to acces an share of the file server like it would be an volume on the local maschine, how could i do this? the server alraidy runs samba, but that would not be really efficient i think betwean 2 debian maschines |
| 13:29.11 | CaT[tm] | try nfs. |
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| 13:31.50 | DJ-Marcuzz | CaT[tm], i have indeed read about this, but i cant seem to figure everything out, like: i export the directory to the maschines, but on the server i only have 2 users, root and marcus, and on the maschine that need to mount it, there we have the user "henk" how does the server know what permissians henk has to the share? |
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| 13:33.04 | blahblahx | how do i add right click Delete functionallity to nautilus in gnome 2.20? |
| 13:33.06 | CaT[tm] | dj: works on uid. |
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| 13:33.16 | CaT[tm] | dj: rather then usernames. |
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| 13:33.30 | stew | import rfc822 |
| 13:33.38 | stew | err |
| 13:33.51 | blahblahx | wait thats an answer to my question? |
| 13:34.01 | DJ-Marcuzz | CaT[tm], owke, but how would i tell the server that Henk has specific rights to the share then? |
| 13:34.10 | stew | blahblahx: no, ignore me |
| 13:34.16 | stew | what are all you people doing in my python shell |
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| 13:34.41 | CaT[tm] | dj: it's not share level. filesystem permissions do all the hard work. |
| 13:34.57 | picard_pwns_kirk | how do I install apache2 Perl/CGI modules? |
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| 13:35.14 | blahblahx | but does anyone know? |
| 13:36.08 | blahblahx | oops i meant to join gnome |
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| 13:36.11 | DJ-Marcuzz | CaT[tm], could you explain me a little more of that? :$ |
| 13:36.46 | xand | damn |
| 13:36.57 | CaT[tm] | dj: you're not sharing a filesystem chunk, you're exporting it. therefore its permissions, owners etc become a native part of the filesystem on the box that mounts them. |
| 13:37.50 | DJ-Marcuzz | CaT[tm], ok so every maschine that connects to it, would have the right it sets to it? |
| 13:38.52 | CaT[tm] | dj: every machine will see files with the same permissions belonging to the same uid.gid. locally the users/groups with those uids and gids will have the same access to those files as the users/groups on the source machine |
| 13:38.54 | jelly-home | <stew> what are all you people doing in my python shell --- being idle! |
| 13:39.55 | DJ-Marcuzz | ok, so i would need to create an user Henk on the server and set the same uid to it as the user henk on the local maschine? |
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| 13:40.36 | CaT[tm] | dj: or get funky with groups or somesuch thing |
| 13:41.13 | DJ-Marcuzz | CaT[tm], can an user have multiple uids? |
| 13:41.41 | CaT[tm] | dj: no but a uid can have multiple usernames :) |
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| 13:42.34 | DJ-Marcuzz | what is an uid thenk i tought just an numer to assign to an user |
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| 13:46.54 | hemoglobin | Hi |
| 13:46.59 | HardDisk_WP | how do I make that when I press the Windows key on my keyboard, the KDE menu pops up just like Windows' Start Menu? |
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| 13:47.06 | hemoglobin | I need open file .prt |
| 13:47.18 | hemoglobin | http://www.fileinfo.net/extension/prt |
| 13:47.22 | drc | HardDisk_WP: rip the key off ;) |
| 13:47.44 | hemoglobin | can someone tell me which program can view this file ? |
| 13:47.48 | b0ha | can anyone help me with network card driver selection |
| 13:47.59 | b0ha | i dont know what driver to choose |
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| 13:48.26 | hoxu | !lart drc |
| 13:48.30 | b0ha | because the system doesnt autodetect it |
| 13:48.36 | czr | is this a proper channel to ask about deb-package internals? |
| 13:48.47 | HardDisk_WP | drc, :p |
| 13:48.52 | Usiu | Where I can get patch for IMQ for 2.6.22 ? |
| 13:48.53 | HardDisk_WP | i meant something serious^^ |
| 13:48.58 | czr | question being, is it mandatory for a binary package to have "Source: "-field defined or not. |
| 13:49.44 | hoxu | HardDisk_WP, have you looked at control center -> regional & accessibility -> keyboard shortcuts? |
| 13:49.54 | Usiu | Any help? |
| 13:50.24 | HardDisk_WP | hoxu, :) thanks |
| 13:50.31 | HardDisk_WP | Usiu, what is IMQ? |
| 13:51.11 | Usiu | HardDisk_WP, googled? |
| 13:51.42 | hoxu | HardDisk_WP, fyi, "popup launch menu" is what you want probably |
| 13:51.43 | Azar | Usiu: not everyone uses that application |
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| 13:52.07 | jmeo | l |
| 13:52.16 | Usiu | Azar, whats the alternative ? |
| 13:52.22 | Usiu | Azar, for full qdisc on ingress? |
| 13:52.35 | Azar | Usiu: I would not know, never heard of, used it |
| 13:52.42 | HardDisk_WP | no idea for IMQ |
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| 13:53.40 | Azar | Usiu: ..and since nobody here jumped with suggestions, I would assume nobody used it |
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| 13:55.04 | phogg | hoxu: the problem with that is kde does not allow assigning what it considers meta keys (ctrl, alt, win, etc) to actions by themselves without modifiers |
| 13:55.14 | Usiu | Azar, strange no one did classfull traffic shaping on ingress ? Or just everyone uses ingress qdisc for that? |
| 13:55.15 | Usiu | :| |
| 13:55.20 | phogg | at least... not via the ui |
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| 13:55.46 | hoxu | HardDisk_WP, see what phogg said... there's probably some way to workaround, I don't have ideas atm |
| 13:55.52 | jelly-home | Usiu: or you're asking in the wrong channel. #netfilter? |
| 13:55.53 | DJ-Marcuzz | CaT[tm], /me did some thinking: when i add an goup on the server called "export" and add an user called "normal" to it, and set the same uid for the user "nomal" on the server and "henk" local, then i give mornal some permissions on the server and henk will get the same? and when i need another user withe the same persmissions, just set the same uid? |
| 13:55.54 | Azar | Usiu: it looks like you are in a bad luck maybe: those who are more experienced and maybe used it, are away from the channel |
| 13:56.50 | hoxu | phogg, think xbindkeys or something could be used to translate win-press into the actual keybinding? |
| 13:58.40 | JonkoPa | Where does debian put the file that is showed on ssh login? |
| 13:58.47 | JonkoPa | the disclaimer |
| 13:58.47 | phogg | hoxu: founds some kde directions here http://opensource.weblogsinc.com/2005/05/27/miss-the-win-key-in-linux-use-kde/ |
| 13:58.55 | DJ-Marcuzz | CaT[tm]? |
| 13:58.56 | Ronin | JonkoPa: iirc /etc/motd |
| 13:59.07 | JonkoPa | Ronin, how does it generate it? |
| 13:59.36 | dutchfish | hi, i have recompiled mysql-server-5.0 from source (etch) with --with yaSSL , why cant i connect using mysql --ssl-ca=ca-cert.pem --ssl-cert=client-cert.pem --ssl-key=client-cert.key? But with only --ssl-ca=ca-cert.pem it works, they keys as tested ant in good condition .. |
| 13:59.54 | hoxu | HardDisk_WP, see what phogg just said :p |
| 14:00.14 | HardDisk_WP | yep, doing already |
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| 14:00.46 | phogg | interesting. And the xkb options section lists the command it constructs |
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| 14:01.49 | HardDisk_WP | phogg, do i have to restart xserver? |
| 14:02.23 | wirefire | anyone in here tried to compule vmware workstation using kernel 2.6.22-2-686 |
| 14:02.33 | wirefire | compile* |
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| 14:03.17 | dutchfish | wirefire, just curieus .. from lenny or backports (kernel) |
| 14:03.20 | phogg | HardDisk_WP: no |
| 14:03.43 | HardDisk_WP | strange then |
| 14:03.47 | HardDisk_WP | doesn't work... |
| 14:03.57 | HardDisk_WP | assigning the shortcut shows Level3 shift iso |
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| 14:04.05 | HardDisk_WP | but the hotkey dont work |
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| 14:06.53 | wirefire | dutchfish: lenny |
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| 14:07.34 | wirefire | dutchfish: i am trying to compile from source using source 2.6.22 but vmware is complaining the source version is different to the running kernel |
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| 14:07.42 | wirefire | ive had no issues compiling anything ele |
| 14:07.45 | wirefire | else* |
| 14:08.01 | dutchfish | wireddd, i think you want ty try to compile with the vanilla althernative .... |
| 14:08.52 | phogg | HardDisk_WP: works for me |
| 14:09.34 | wirefire | dutchfish: is there any documentation on setting up a vanilla alternative |
| 14:10.02 | dutchfish | wirefire, yup, hold on |
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| 14:11.00 | wirefire | dutchfish: cheers mate |
| 14:11.14 | dutchfish | wirefire, simlair to this: http://symbolik.wordpress.com/2006/12/03/vanilla-kernel-howto-version-26/ but hen you should use 2.6.22 latests |
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| 14:11.26 | Ace2016 | Hi all |
| 14:11.35 | Ace2016 | after the latest updates my numlock key in works |
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| 14:11.48 | Ace2016 | but the problem effecting console now effects xorg |
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| 14:12.26 | wirefire | dutchfish: cheers i'll give that a blast |
| 14:12.47 | Azar | Ace2016: what did you updated ? |
| 14:12.57 | Ace2016 | with numlock off i can type konversation, with numlock on it becomes 26nversat56n |
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| 14:13.12 | dutchfish | wirefire, or http://www.projektfarm.com/en/support/howto/debian_kernel_compile.html |
| 14:13.20 | Ace2016 | well i just reloaded in synaptic and told it to upgrade |
| 14:13.34 | Azar | to upgrade... what? |
| 14:14.21 | DJ-Marcuzz | anyone? when i add an goup on the server called "export" and add an user called "normal" to it, and set the same uid for the user "nomal" on the server and "henk" local, then i give mornal some permissions on the server and henk will get the same? and when i need another user withe the same persmissions, just set the same uid? |
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| 14:14.42 | greenmang0 | HardDisk_WP: Kcontrol -> Regional & Accesibility -> Keyboard Shortcuts |
| 14:14.58 | HardDisk_WP | ya i know |
| 14:15.04 | wirefire | when i do a kernel upgrade must i reinstall anything that i have compiled that is incorporated into my currently running kernel? |
| 14:15.07 | HardDisk_WP | but for some reason pressing the key has no effect |
| 14:15.11 | HardDisk_WP | wirefire, yep |
| 14:15.11 | wirefire | if its a vanilla install? |
| 14:15.13 | Ace2016 | Azar: upgrade everything, you know a weekly upgrade |
| 14:15.18 | wirefire | thought so |
| 14:15.30 | greenmang0 | HardDisk_WP: oh. .. It needs key combination |
| 14:15.32 | dutchfish | hi, i have recompiled mysql-server-5.0 from source (etch) with --with yaSSL , why cant i connect using mysql --ssl-ca=ca-cert.pem --ssl-cert=client-cert.pem --ssl-key=client-cert.key? But with only --ssl-ca=ca-cert.pem it works, the keys are tested and in good condition .. |
| 14:15.43 | Azar | Ace2016: I was nicely suggesting to tell us what Debian version you got |
| 14:16.09 | Ace2016 | oh i have debian sid, i always had sid, i just downloaded the latest packages |
| 14:16.25 | Ace2016 | i totally missed your point |
| 14:16.32 | HardDisk_WP | greenmang0, http://opensource.weblogsinc.com/2005/05/27/miss-the-win-key-in-linux-use-kde/ deals about evading that |
| 14:16.36 | Azar | Ace2016: ah ok, thank you. Sid is unstable, you can expect to encounter bugs and fix them |
| 14:16.39 | HardDisk_WP | but doesnt work for some reason |
| 14:17.22 | Azar | Ace2016: unstable means that you expect breakage and it is expected from you to fixor it |
| 14:17.26 | Ace2016 | yea sid is fun |
| 14:18.20 | hoxu | right |
| 14:18.41 | Azar | Ace2016: so when you experience issues you could add to buglist or check the buglist |
| 14:19.34 | greenmang0 | HardDisk_WP: Thanks ! |
| 14:19.50 | hoxu | !btssmite Ace2016 |
| 14:19.56 | Ace2016 | i know, but which package was it, there was 100+ updated packages so its kind of like finding a needle in a key stack, although xorg core did get updated |
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| 14:21.46 | picard_pwns_kirk | how do I set +ExecCGI for a directory? |
| 14:22.11 | Kamping_Kaiser | picard_pwns_kirk, add +ExecCGI to the vhost? |
| 14:22.24 | picard_pwns_kirk | sure |
| 14:22.30 | Ace2016 | what if everyone had this problem, we could confuse people by ty*5ng 352e th5s |
| 14:22.41 | wirefire | dutchfish: can installing a vanilla kernel affect the way debian operates in the future e.g. when i download .debs etc? |
| 14:22.47 | greenmang0 | HardDisk_WP: hmm.. not working! |
| 14:22.47 | picard_pwns_kirk | Kamping_Kaiser: set it to the directory where my scripts are |
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| 14:24.25 | Kamping_Kaiser | picard_pwns_kirk, the default apache file shipped by debian has an example |
| 14:24.31 | Kamping_Kaiser | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:24.33 | Kamping_Kaiser | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:24.38 | Kamping_Kaiser | #other stuff here |
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| 14:26.58 | phix | hihihihihi |
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| 14:27.16 | Kamping_Kaiser | hi |
| 14:27.53 | phix | sup> |
| 14:27.53 | phix | ? |
| 14:27.57 | phix | lets apt-get |
| 14:28.24 | Kamping_Kaiser | phix, go to sleep, sounds like you need it. |
| 14:28.26 | liable | eh |
| 14:28.34 | Azar | apt-get install liable |
| 14:28.36 | Azar | :) |
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| 14:29.04 | liable | lots of carbs in a liable, bad for your health |
| 14:29.30 | Kamping_Kaiser | heh |
| 14:29.32 | phix | Kamping_Kaiser: yeah I am very tired |
| 14:29.33 | Azar | carbs are good for those missing them |
| 14:29.43 | Kamping_Kaiser | phix, :0 |
| 14:29.45 | Kamping_Kaiser | *: ) |
| 14:29.55 | phix | Kamping_Kaiser: it is 1:30 here |
| 14:30.19 | liable | east coaster or se asia ? |
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| 14:30.39 | Kamping_Kaiser | phix, 1am here |
| 14:30.41 | phix | liable: yeah east coast AU |
| 14:30.43 | Kamping_Kaiser | hope you had a good election ;) |
| 14:31.01 | phix | Kamping_Kaiser: I voted last week :) postal :) |
| 14:31.09 | Kamping_Kaiser | liable, guessing by his hostmask, i'd say au ;) |
| 14:31.20 | Kamping_Kaiser | phix, smart move - i forgot to. :| |
| 14:31.21 | phix | eheh correct |
| 14:31.21 | liable | we did, hopefully he isnt a useless prick |
| 14:31.34 | liable | Kamping_Kaiser: i was just guessing on time |
| 14:31.44 | Kamping_Kaiser | liable, :) |
| 14:33.06 | liable | !aww |
| 14:33.07 | dpkg | *snuggles* |
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| 14:33.23 | snewp | how will i make my kde apps inherit my gnome theme? |
| 14:33.36 | liable | you dont |
| 14:33.37 | dutchfish | wirefire, if you first compile a package and install that dpkg -i i have never expirienced trouble, at least when you use a stable one |
| 14:33.51 | snewp | ow it's not possible |
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| 14:34.38 | bliss_ | sorry if this may sound a bit silly but if i have mutt mail client can i create a admin account with a alias user ie admin is connected to another package in /etc/aliases? |
| 14:34.41 | Kamping_Kaiser | dpkg, ftw |
| 14:34.47 | Kamping_Kaiser | lol |
| 14:34.48 | liable | heh |
| 14:34.56 | petemc | bliss_: package? |
| 14:35.22 | bliss_ | petemc: admin: mixmaster |
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| 14:35.32 | liable | bliss_: how was kiwiland? |
| 14:36.02 | bliss_ | liable: bliss bliss and more bliss got back some days ago |
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| 14:36.23 | liable | pretty innit |
| 14:36.28 | petemc | bliss_: /etc/aliases is for email, if a mail is recieved for admin, deliver it to mixmaster - where do packages fit in there? |
| 14:36.33 | bliss_ | could live there no probs |
| 14:36.34 | Kamping_Kaiser | bliss_, where did you visit?( north/south?) |
| 14:37.01 | bliss_ | both north and south |
| 14:37.09 | Kamping_Kaiser | nice |
| 14:37.37 | bliss_ | petemc: its just a admin"mydomain.com |
| 14:37.44 | bliss_ | @ |
| 14:38.02 | Kamping_Kaiser | darn UK keyboards :P |
| 14:38.13 | bliss_ | just the capitals and saw lots of sheep in the south |
| 14:38.32 | liable | yes, they *like* their sheep over there.. |
| 14:38.33 | Kamping_Kaiser | hehe |
| 14:39.01 | bliss_ | sheep are good for jumpers and keeping warm in the winter |
| 14:39.12 | Kamping_Kaiser | and for Wallace and Grommit films |
| 14:39.21 | bliss_ | tha yes |
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| 14:41.21 | dutchfish | !sheep |
| 14:41.21 | dpkg | sheep go baaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa |
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| 14:41.28 | Kamping_Kaiser | hehe. |
| 14:41.52 | hoxu | !saturday |
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| 14:41.53 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, saturday is Tardsday Eve |
| 14:42.02 | dutchfish | !sunday |
| 14:42.02 | dpkg | Sunday is the day all trolls swarm to #debian, avoid at all cost to remain sane. |
| 14:42.12 | Kamping_Kaiser | ah oh. :| |
| 14:42.17 | Kamping_Kaiser | Sun Nov 25 01:12:17 CST 2007 |
| 14:42.22 | liable | tis actually tardsday in half the world already |
| 14:42.25 | Kamping_Kaiser | perhaps i should leave :P |
| 14:42.37 | dutchfish | :) |
| 14:42.43 | Kamping_Kaiser | :) |
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| 14:42.48 | Enverex | liable, "half the world" is a little off |
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| 14:42.53 | jelly-home | liable: half the world? Only 3-4 timezones. |
| 14:42.55 | Kamping_Kaiser | you mean thers parts of the world who havent made it to saturday yet??? |
| 14:42.56 | liable | Enverex: close enough |
| 14:42.57 | Enverex | It's only 2 timezones |
| 14:43.01 | Enverex | Out of 24... |
| 14:43.03 | Enverex | (or so) |
| 14:43.45 | jelly-home | liable: #debian. Nitpickers-r-us. |
| 14:43.51 | liable | no shit |
| 14:43.55 | Kamping_Kaiser | Enverex, whats 2 timezones? |
| 14:44.00 | liable | your a bunch of pricks |
| 14:44.25 | jelly-home | liable: hopefully there are some prickettes as well |
| 14:44.28 | Kamping_Kaiser | jelly-home, morning mate |
| 14:44.40 | jelly-home | afternoon ;-) |
| 14:44.46 | Kamping_Kaiser | :P |
| 14:45.27 | jelly-home | timezones are great, you can't go wrong what ever the greeting |
| 14:45.34 | liable | considering that west of .au is no mans land, i call fair call on half the world :P |
| 14:45.44 | Kamping_Kaiser | hahaha |
| 14:45.47 | dutchfish | hi, i have recompiled mysql-server-5.0 from source (etch) with --with yaSSL , why cant i connect using mysql --ssl-ca=ca-cert.pem --ssl-cert=client-cert.pem --ssl-key=client-cert.key? But with only --ssl-ca=ca-cert.pem it works, the keys are tested and in good condition .. |
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| 14:46.24 | Kamping_Kaiser | doesnt the pem contain the ca? |
| 14:46.40 | liable | though i should note its not quite tardsday here yet |
| 14:46.42 | jelly-home | liable: I thought Sat = Tardsday Eve meant Sunday was Tardsday. |
| 14:46.48 | Kamping_Kaiser | jelly-home, #gentoo's bot used to have a !ugt factoid, it was good |
| 14:47.07 | bliss_ | petemc: any joy did you grt my reply |
| 14:47.26 | petemc | bliss_: it made no sense to me, and you didnt seem to read what i said |
| 14:47.33 | liable | jelly-home: ya, w/au for me 1145pm, east au is well into tardsday |
| 14:47.58 | Kamping_Kaiser | fraid so :\ |
| 14:48.06 | Kamping_Kaiser | you can just see the quality drop before your eyes :P |
| 14:48.18 | hoxu | !offtopic |
| 14:48.18 | dpkg | A little off-topic conversation is okay here and there, but not too much, and not when the channel's busy, and not if it's your primary reason for being here. please join #debian-offtopic |
| 14:48.30 | liable | yes yes |
| 14:48.34 | liable | theres always one |
| 14:48.48 | dutchfish | Kamping_Kaiser, if i use only --ssl-ca= then anyone with any ca-cert.pem can connect, thats what i am trying to prevent with client keys |
| 14:48.49 | bliss_ | petemc: i am setting up mutt mail client if i want a mail account called admin, what do i do? |
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| 14:49.22 | petemc | bliss_: admin: bliss in /etc/aliases should work |
| 14:49.30 | Kamping_Kaiser | dutchfish, i thought that was a feature of pem files :| |
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| 14:50.06 | dutchfish | Kamping_Kaiser, if you know something i have overlooked, please dont hesitate to enlightne me |
| 14:50.40 | Kamping_Kaiser | dutchfish, afaik .pem contains two parts - a CA and a client cert. |
| 14:51.03 | dutchfish | Kamping_Kaiser, you are asking me if they are signed? yes |
| 14:52.20 | Kamping_Kaiser | dutchfish, no, its not. i have this stuff bookmarked on my comppany intranet :(, not my home desktop. just greping through /usr/share/doc/openssl/ atm trying to fin d instructions |
| 14:52.21 | dutchfish | Kamping_Kaiser, so you want to tell me that i only use the 2 other if the first ca-cert.pem isnt signed? |
| 14:52.42 | dutchfish | Kamping_Kaiser, cool |
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| 14:53.53 | dutchfish | Kamping_Kaiser, i sued this: http://dev.mysql.com/doc/refman/5.0/en/secure-create-certs.html |
| 14:54.25 | Kamping_Kaiser | cant easily find it :\ |
| 14:54.35 | dutchfish | Kamping_Kaiser, used* (sorry for my mild dislexia) |
| 14:54.54 | bliss_ | petemc : have a look here no many real user accounts http://pastebin.ca/795849 |
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| 14:55.29 | Kamping_Kaiser | dutchfish, no probs. i'm not exactly a speciment of good english myself |
| 14:56.39 | petemc | bliss_: im not sure why you're showing me your passwd file |
| 14:57.02 | Kamping_Kaiser | dutchfish, sorry, i'm not really with it enough this morning to try and debug ssl certs :| |
| 14:57.12 | Kamping_Kaiser | i'll suggest #mysql :| |
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| 14:57.33 | jelly-home | bliss_: do you know how entries in /etc/aliases work? do you want a separate inbox for admin or not? |
| 14:57.41 | dutchfish | Kamping_Kaiser, np, i'll just start over and create some new pairs, however pretty sure its not the keys |
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| 14:58.12 | Kamping_Kaiser | dutchfish, i couldnt say, thats why i'm suggesting mysql, they may be useful to you (although when i wenti found it a bit unfriendly) |
| 14:58.21 | dutchfish | Kamping_Kaiser, do you know by change how to put mysql-server-5.0 in debug mode? |
| 14:58.26 | protoloco | Hello, i use htop.. and in the uptime 105 days (!) says.. that ! |
| 14:58.29 | protoloco | what does it means?? |
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| 14:58.45 | dutchfish | Kamping_Kaiser, ok, fair enough, thx so far |
| 14:58.46 | hoxu | protoloco, "impressive"? :p |
| 14:58.51 | bliss_ | jelly-home ok what it is isd that i have three vps ;s i want to create a admin account in each then i will use pop to download messages sent to admin |
| 14:58.53 | protoloco | :S |
| 14:59.15 | Kamping_Kaiser | dutchfish, re debug, not sure. dont think i've done it |
| 14:59.53 | dutchfish | Kamping_Kaiser, ok i can find out, mysql-server is awfull quiet when this happens, no errors whatsoever |
| 15:00.22 | jelly-home | bliss_: if those systems (be they virtual or not, it does not matter) are on the internet, you can forward your mail to your account instantly. |
| 15:00.26 | Kamping_Kaiser | dutchfish, perhaps /etc/default/mysql, but thats 150% a guess |
| 15:00.50 | jelly-home | bliss_: using something like "admin: your-email@example.org" in /etc/aliases |
| 15:00.50 | dutchfish | Kamping_Kaiser, np, thx again :) |
| 15:00.56 | Kamping_Kaiser | :) |
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| 15:02.00 | dob1 | hi, i don't find which package i have to install to have vi / vim, i installed vim and vim-full but on the command line i don't have the vim but vim.basic |
| 15:02.03 | dob1 | this is normal? |
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| 15:02.32 | Kamping_Kaiser | dob1, sure you installed 'vim'? |
| 15:02.38 | dob1 | Kamping_Kaiser: yes |
| 15:02.39 | Kamping_Kaiser | then you need to change your default editor |
| 15:02.59 | Kamping_Kaiser | update-alternatives --config editor |
| 15:03.12 | dob1 | if i do dpkg -L vim i see only vim.basic not the vi or vim |
| 15:03.14 | dutchfish | Kamping_Kaiser, it whas the client-cert.key, now its working (Ssl_cipher | DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA) :) thx again |
| 15:03.34 | jelly-home | bliss_: however if you want a separate inbox for admin accessible by pop3, the simplest thing to add a normal unix account named admin |
| 15:03.36 | Kamping_Kaiser | dutchfish, well done :) |
| 15:03.37 | bliss_ | jelly-home; ok thant sounds very good, yes thats fine , the only time i will need to log is to reply to messages sent |
| 15:04.16 | dob1 | Kamping_Kaiser: this doesn't change what i mean, i have to create an alias now to have vi or vim ? instead or typing everytime vim.basic |
| 15:04.43 | bliss_ | yes my email ie admin; myemailaddress.com |
| 15:04.46 | Kamping_Kaiser | dob1, update-alternatives doesnt change it? sure your using it correctly? |
| 15:05.23 | dutchfish | Kamping_Kaiser, still wondering why --without open-ssl is in the standard package, is it GPL issue? |
| 15:05.26 | dob1 | Kamping_Kaiser: bash: vi: command not found bash: vim: command not found |
| 15:05.35 | bliss_ | jelly-home:admin: myemailadress.com |
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| 15:05.47 | Kamping_Kaiser | dutchfish, yes. ssl/gpl licence issue |
| 15:06.19 | Kamping_Kaiser | dob1, run `dpkg -l |grep vim` and paste us the output. |
| 15:06.38 | dutchfish | Kamping_Kaiser, and the same holds for the client afaik |
| 15:07.06 | Kamping_Kaiser | dutchfish, quite likely. basically, anthing that would link against openssl |
| 15:07.14 | Kamping_Kaiser | unless it has a specific linking exception |
| 15:07.18 | dutchfish | Kamping_Kaiser, yup |
| 15:07.31 | dob1 | Kamping_Kaiser: http://paste.debian.net/43327 |
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| 15:07.52 | dob1 | seems ok |
| 15:08.08 | dutchfish | Kamping_Kaiser, this hurdle is not only an extra hurdle, but an extra security benifit ;) |
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| 15:08.10 | Kamping_Kaiser | dob1, thas the correct list. what happens when you run `update-alternatives --config editor` ? |
| 15:08.26 | Kamping_Kaiser | dutchfish, fair enough ;0 |
| 15:09.10 | dob1 | Kamping_Kaiser: http://paste.debian.net/43328 |
| 15:09.33 | dob1 | i don't have only vi or vim |
| 15:09.34 | dob1 | boh |
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| 15:09.58 | Kamping_Kaiser | what happens if you select 7? |
| 15:10.02 | gamag | earlier I could right click the power icon in the notificatoin area and Hibernate. But now I can't find hibernate option any more. |
| 15:10.07 | gamag | what to do now? |
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| 15:10.17 | gamag | I am using GNome on Lenny |
| 15:10.19 | dob1 | Kamping_Kaiser: i just tried it, nothing |
| 15:10.24 | gamag | this problem started after upgrading to Lenny |
| 15:10.28 | gamag | help |
| 15:10.37 | Kamping_Kaiser | dob1, is this a standard install? or some selinux/custom thingy? |
| 15:10.45 | dob1 | Kamping_Kaiser: standard |
| 15:10.57 | Kamping_Kaiser | gamag, could be a bug. |
| 15:11.01 | Kamping_Kaiser | check out the BTS. |
| 15:11.22 | Kamping_Kaiser | dob1, does /usr/bin/vim exist? |
| 15:11.27 | dob1 | no |
| 15:11.30 | Kamping_Kaiser | if so, whats your $PATH ? |
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| 15:12.08 | Kamping_Kaiser | that sounds broken |
| 15:12.19 | Kamping_Kaiser | kgoetz@wesnoth:~$ ls -lh /usr/bin/vim |
| 15:12.19 | Kamping_Kaiser | lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 21 2007-09-07 20:48 /usr/bin/vim -> /etc/alternatives/vim |
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| 15:12.24 | Kamping_Kaiser | is what you should see :| |
| 15:12.50 | dob1 | Kamping_Kaiser: no sorry, i have /usr/bin/vi -> /etc/alternatives/vi and /usr/bin/vim -> /etc/alternatives/vim |
| 15:12.54 | dob1 | in /usr/bin |
| 15:13.20 | dob1 | but if i try to run /usr/bin/vi or /usr/bin/vim i have no such file |
| 15:13.25 | dob1 | i get this error |
| 15:13.27 | Kamping_Kaiser | dob1, ok. where do /etc/alternatives/vim and /etc/alternatives/vi point? |
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| 15:14.05 | dob1 | /etc/alternatives/vim -> /usr/bin/vim.full and vim.full doesn't exist |
| 15:14.36 | Kamping_Kaiser | i dont have a vim.full either. (etch) |
| 15:14.51 | Kamping_Kaiser | jelly-home, read up - we've looked at it already. apparently no joy |
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| 15:15.08 | dob1 | Kamping_Kaiser: i don't know what is the problem... boh |
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| 15:15.16 | jelly-home | Kamping_Kaiser: I didn't say anything! |
| 15:15.26 | liable | lies! |
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| 15:15.53 | liable | just installing vim should work |
| 15:16.07 | Kamping_Kaiser | liable, yeah :| perhaps reinstall it? |
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| 15:16.21 | liable | the whole vim/tiny/full/anal/microscopic thing is a pita |
| 15:16.51 | elmo40 | but they all start when you type only 'vim' |
| 15:16.57 | Kamping_Kaiser | liable, agree. |
| 15:17.04 | Kamping_Kaiser | hes got vim-full installed too :| |
| 15:17.05 | elmo40 | dont need vim-tiny vim-full vim-anal... |
| 15:17.08 | Kamping_Kaiser | the worlds broken :'( |
| 15:17.15 | elmo40 | yes, it is |
| 15:17.41 | Kamping_Kaiser | dob1, try removing vim-full and reruning update-alternatives |
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| 15:17.51 | liable | vim-anal is just a symlink to emacs anyway |
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| 15:17.55 | Kamping_Kaiser | or remove vim-full, reintsall vim full and if it doesnt work its a bug |
| 15:17.58 | Kamping_Kaiser | hehehe |
| 15:18.02 | dob1 | Kamping_Kaiser: i am removing all the vim package with purge option and i am reinstalling it, i try :) |
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| 15:18.22 | Kamping_Kaiser | gl |
| 15:18.24 | LordDoskias | yo, hello, again |
| 15:18.37 | jelly-home | Kamping_Kaiser: if he had vim-full installed it'd be reasonable that /usr/bin/vim.full would exist |
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| 15:18.56 | Kamping_Kaiser | jelly-home, i agree. he said it didnt exist |
| 15:19.05 | Kamping_Kaiser | packages.debian.org agrees too |
| 15:19.21 | jelly-home | !find usr/bin/vim.full etch |
| 15:19.23 | LordDoskias | i've loaded the tun module and i cannot enable a tun interface |
| 15:19.25 | LordDoskias | any ideas why? |
| 15:19.28 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'usr/bin/vim.full' (1): (/usr/bin/vim.full) in editors/vim-full. |
| 15:19.43 | LordDoskias | using debian, kernel 2.6.18-4-xen-vserver-686 |
| 15:19.46 | dutchfish | LordDoskias, do you have loop in /etc/modules? |
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| 15:20.09 | jelly-home | Kamping_Kaiser: and p.d.o will show it there too, I bet |
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| 15:20.24 | LordDoskias | dutchfish no[e |
| 15:20.26 | w0jtas` | hi, what can be wrong: |
| 15:20.27 | w0jtas` | main:~# mount -t nfs 87.x.x.198:static /test |
| 15:20.28 | Kamping_Kaiser | yes, it does. |
| 15:20.28 | w0jtas` | mount to NFS server '87.x.x.198' failed. |
| 15:20.30 | w0jtas` | main:~# showmount -e 87.x.x.198 |
| 15:20.31 | w0jtas` | Export list for 87.x.x.198: |
| 15:20.33 | w0jtas` | /jails/ofertownia/static 87.x.x.196 |
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| 15:20.34 | w0jtas` | ?? |
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| 15:20.57 | Kamping_Kaiser | you didnt use the correct path? |
| 15:21.14 | dutchfish | LordDoskias, well then .. |
| 15:21.23 | w0jtas` | i also tried 87.x.x.198:/jails/ofertownia/static |
| 15:21.31 | LordDoskias | dutchfish i loaded it |
| 15:21.35 | LordDoskias | with modprobe and nothing... |
| 15:21.39 | LordDoskias | ifconfig tun0 up |
| 15:21.39 | LordDoskias | tun0: ERROR while getting interface flags: No such device |
| 15:21.59 | jelly-home | w0jtas`: your machine is not at .196 ? |
| 15:22.07 | w0jtas` | .196 is client |
| 15:22.12 | w0jtas` | .198 is server |
| 15:22.40 | jelly-home | w0jtas`: anything interesting in the logs? |
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| 15:23.06 | w0jtas` | on server nothing |
| 15:23.09 | dutchfish | LordDoskias, http://openvpn.net/bridge.html |
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| 15:23.21 | LordDoskias | i dont want bridged vpn |
| 15:23.22 | dutchfish | LordDoskias, look at the tun/tap section |
| 15:23.24 | LordDoskias | i want routet |
| 15:23.44 | w0jtas` | nothing in logs :/ |
| 15:24.04 | bliss_ | petemc ;thanks |
| 15:24.28 | bliss_ | jelly-home: thanks |
| 15:25.00 | w0jtas` | jelly-home: error number is 15 Not registered program |
| 15:25.48 | dutchfish | LordDoskias, did you test /sbin/modprobe tun instaed of tun0 ? |
| 15:25.55 | jelly-home | w0jtas`: error given by what? |
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| 15:26.22 | LordDoskias | Module Size Used by |
| 15:26.22 | LordDoskias | netloop 7360 0 |
| 15:26.22 | LordDoskias | tun 11104 0 |
| 15:26.29 | LordDoskias | i'm using xen |
| 15:26.31 | dutchfish | LordDoskias, ok |
| 15:26.33 | w0jtas` | jelly-home: client if i add -v |
| 15:26.41 | dutchfish | LordDoskias, ah xen .. ok |
| 15:26.44 | LordDoskias | can this tun interface be forbidden from the xen server? |
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| 15:27.24 | dutchfish | LordDoskias, this might be helpfull? http://www.softwarefreedom.org/technology/blog/2007/aug/24/more-xen/ |
| 15:27.37 | jelly-home | w0jtas`: is your client firewalled? |
| 15:28.03 | jelly-home | w0jtas`: can you do a rpcinfo -p clientip from server? |
| 15:28.04 | dutchfish | LordDoskias, do you run dom-U on xen-vserver kernels? |
| 15:28.43 | w0jtas` | sec |
| 15:28.53 | LordDoskias | dutchfish hmz, i don't know what dom-U is |
| 15:28.58 | rvalles | I used to have 4 desktops. Now I have 4 desktops, but 2 screens wide with xinerama.; I'd rather still have 4 desktops 1 screen wide and be able to see one desktop at each screen. Is there any wm that handles this? (I'm using xfwm4 now) |
| 15:28.59 | LordDoskias | i'm trying to configure my VPS |
| 15:29.03 | LordDoskias | i'm not the xen admin |
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| 15:29.20 | dutchfish | LordDoskias, dom-U = xen vps's |
| 15:29.45 | LordDoskias | dutchfish how can i check if i run this dom-u? |
| 15:29.49 | w0jtas` | jelly-home: http://paste.debian.net/43332 |
| 15:30.00 | dutchfish | LordDoskias, xm list in your dom-0 |
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| 15:30.26 | LordDoskias | dutchfish i have root on my virtual server |
| 15:30.30 | LordDoskias | i don't have on the real server |
| 15:30.35 | LordDoskias | guess i'll have to contact the admin |
| 15:30.58 | dutchfish | LordDoskias, no, not on your virtual server but on your dom-0 |
| 15:31.25 | LordDoskias | i don't have access to dom-0 |
| 15:31.34 | LordDoskias | Note: Cannot open TUN/TAP dev /dev/net/tun: No such file or directory (errno=2) |
| 15:31.39 | LordDoskias | this is what openvpn tells me |
| 15:31.58 | anapivirtua | Hi world. |
| 15:32.08 | jelly-home | LordDoskias: you don't have the tun kernel module loaded. |
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| 15:32.21 | LordDoskias | jelly-home the thing is that i have it o_O |
| 15:32.22 | dutchfish | LordDoskias, then forget this whole thing, the only thing you can do is adding extra interfaces with eth0:1 etc, but you can not route/brdige within a dom-U |
| 15:32.40 | LordDoskias | dom-U is a special kernel fro xen vms? |
| 15:32.45 | dutchfish | LordDoskias, at least not that i am aware off |
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| 15:32.54 | jelly-home | LordDoskias: do you actually have something in /dev/net/tun? Do you use udev? |
| 15:33.02 | dutchfish | LordDoskias, it should be uname -a |
| 15:33.10 | LordDoskias | 2.6.18-4-xen-vserver-686 |
| 15:33.15 | LordDoskias | i guess this is domU ? |
| 15:33.20 | dutchfish | LordDoskias, yup |
| 15:33.33 | jelly-home | w0jtas`: looks reasonable |
| 15:34.02 | LordDoskias | jelly-home i don't have /dev/net ;-) |
| 15:34.03 | dutchfish | LordDoskias, so you need 2.6.18-4-xen-686 in your dom-U and then you can go along |
| 15:34.24 | dutchfish | LordDoskias, do it in dom-0 or ask your servers admin |
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| 15:34.34 | LordDoskias | yep, will ask the admin |
| 15:34.50 | jelly-home | LordDoskias: it will be hard for an app to access /dev/net/tun then |
| 15:35.01 | Sivik | ok, in order to change the group in which the user belongs, you go into the /etc/group file and add the group after the : correct? |
| 15:35.05 | dutchfish | LordDoskias, however this imposes security risks .. so not every admin will do this |
| 15:35.07 | cemc | is there a way to disable /tmp/* deletion on startup, and only do it at regular intervals, like every few days |
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| 15:35.23 | dbmoodb | hello any australians here |
| 15:35.28 | stew | cemc: edit TMPTIME in /etc/default/rcS |
| 15:35.37 | LordDoskias | dutchfish so basically xen sucks at those routed/bridged things? |
| 15:36.30 | dutchfish | LordDoskias, no, actually its extrem cool, it virtualize those interfaces so the security can be done on a higher level without the reach of dom-U admins |
| 15:37.22 | LordDoskias | lol |
| 15:37.24 | LordDoskias | i fixed this o_O |
| 15:37.29 | LordDoskias | mkdir /dev/net |
| 15:37.30 | LordDoskias | mknod /dev/net/tun c 10 200 |
| 15:37.30 | LordDoskias | chmod 750 /dev/net |
| 15:37.30 | LordDoskias | chmod 660 /dev/net/tun |
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| 15:37.37 | w0jtas` | jelly-home: it work's right now ;) |
| 15:37.53 | jelly-home | w0jtas`: always glad to help ;-) |
| 15:38.10 | w0jtas` | thanks for all and bye |
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| 15:39.56 | dutchfish | LordDoskias, so you are running a virtual interface within a virtual interface ? mmmm.... |
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| 15:40.17 | jelly-home | plans within plans within plans |
| 15:40.36 | LordDoskias | gonna config the openvpn client and see what happens |
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| 15:40.46 | rhalff_ | I want to know what debian package provides DBIx::DWIW from perl, how to do this ? |
| 15:40.50 | dutchfish | wondering ow it will perform and if iptables will pplay along, thats the hard part |
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| 15:41.15 | jelly-home | !tell rhalff_ about search |
| 15:41.21 | dbmoodb | ~australia |
| 15:41.31 | apt | well, australia is known to be the ass end of the world, but we spell it 'arse', or http://www.satirewire.com/news/jan02/australia.shtml |
| 15:41.31 | dbmoodb | !john howard |
| 15:41.31 | dpkg | somebody said john howard was a idiot |
| 15:41.31 | dbmoodb | lol |
| 15:42.34 | jelly-home | rhalff_: in addition, perl modules are always named like libdbix-dwiw-perl, libXX-YY-ZZ-perl for the XX::YY::ZZ module, just lowercased |
| 15:42.54 | dutchfish | LordDoskias, if the admin has done his job, you will not get any packets out other then the provided eth0, but you never know ;) |
| 15:42.56 | rhalff_ | jelly-home, yeah but can't find anyting dwiwish |
| 15:42.58 | dob1 | Kamping_Kaiser: i resolved running update-alternatives --config vim |
| 15:43.16 | jelly-home | !find /DWIW.pm etch |
| 15:43.23 | dpkg | Debian Package/File/Desc Search of '/DWIW.pm' returned no results. |
| 15:43.28 | rhalff_ | pfff |
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| 15:43.58 | jelly-home | rhalff_: so it's not there. You use dh-make-perl to make packages out of cpan modules |
| 15:44.13 | Kamping_Kaiser | dob1, sweet, what was wrong? |
| 15:44.20 | rhalff_ | jelly-home, ok I'll just install it with cpan then |
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| 15:44.56 | dob1 | Kamping_Kaiser: doens't know for sure, but it was pointing to vim.gnome (don't ask me why) and i select vim.basic whith that command |
| 15:45.14 | Kamping_Kaiser | dob1, odd, but nicely worked out |
| 15:45.24 | dob1 | yes :) |
| 15:45.28 | Kamping_Kaiser | :) |
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| 15:46.17 | LordDoskias | Sat Nov 24 15:48:44 2007 read UDPv4 [ECONNREFUSED]: Connection refused (code=111) |
| 15:46.21 | ben_ | yo |
| 15:46.32 | dutchfish | ya |
| 15:46.43 | cemc | stew: that worked, thanks |
| 15:46.47 | dutchfish | admin has done his job |
| 15:47.57 | dutchfish | LordDoskias, talk to your admin, a good one will surely go along to config this piggy |
| 15:49.05 | dutchfish | LordDoskias, its not that hard to set it up savely, its just a one-liner in his /etc/xen/client.hvm config |
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| 15:51.13 | ben_ | someone here can explain me real arguments against ubuntu |
| 15:51.23 | ben_ | i mean why did you chose Debian more than Ubuntu ? |
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| 15:51.39 | ben_ | instead of* |
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| 15:52.52 | dutchfish | ben_, everyone has its own reasons, some will tell you some wont, its offtopic but i like debian because its stable, well supported, no frills linux os, wich can coop with alost any job |
| 15:53.04 | dob1 | bye |
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| 15:55.11 | dutchfish | ben_, thats the main reason probably why so many derivates made from it ... do you understand? |
| 15:55.47 | LordDoskias | dutchfish thanks |
| 15:55.54 | dutchfish | LordDoskias, yw |
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| 15:55.58 | Eulex | ben_, because we like the original better than the derivative? |
| 15:56.40 | jelly-home | ben_: there was no ubuntu at the time I installed. |
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| 15:57.09 | cahoot | ben_: in spite of the obvious off-topicness - my experience is ubuntu is immediately appealing but in the long run debian is more solid |
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| 15:57.43 | dutchfish | ben_, oh yes i almost forgot, it inspired so many people because of its beauty, the way the package manager works ... |
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| 15:58.15 | ben_ | ok |
| 15:58.21 | ben_ | thx for responses |
| 15:58.28 | ben_ | answers* |
| 15:58.29 | xdcdx_ | ben_: people would say that Ubuntu is a more end-user focused, polished, and 'dumbed down' version of Debian. |
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| 15:58.34 | ben_ | damn my english is so poor |
| 15:58.35 | ben_ | xD |
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| 15:58.49 | Wedhus_Liar | Hello all |
| 15:58.56 | Wedhus_Liar | i need some help |
| 15:59.15 | ben_ | is it possible to install ubuntu packqages on debian ? |
| 15:59.15 | dante_1core | firstchoice. |
| 15:59.17 | xdcdx_ | actually you can customize Debian (and Ubuntu as well) to perform any task you want |
| 15:59.17 | dante_1core | firstchoice. |
| 15:59.23 | Wedhus_Liar | i want install webmin 1.380 on woody |
| 15:59.23 | dante_1core | firstchoice. |
| 15:59.26 | Wedhus_Liar | can i? |
| 15:59.27 | dante_1core | firstchoice. |
| 15:59.42 | Ronin | ben_: not a good idea to mix and match |
| 15:59.43 | dante_1core | firstchoice. |
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| 15:59.48 | ben_ | k |
| 15:59.48 | dante_1core | firstchoice. |
| 15:59.53 | jelly-home | !ops dante_1core is broken |
| 15:59.53 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: jelly-home complains about: dante_1core is broken |
| 15:59.53 | dante_1core | firstchoice. |
| 15:59.59 | dutchfish | ben_, you should ask the right questions, that is not the right question ;) |
| 16:00.00 | dante_1core | firstchoice. |
| 16:00.20 | ben_ | what is the best ? |
| 16:00.20 | dante_1core | firstchoice. |
| 16:00.21 | ben_ | xD |
| 16:00.22 | dante_1core | firstchoice. |
| 16:00.26 | ben_ | it's the real question |
| 16:00.26 | dante_1core | firstchoice. |
| 16:00.31 | ben_ | ^^ |
| 16:00.31 | dante_1core | firstchoice. |
| 16:00.34 | Ronin | interesting |
| 16:00.34 | dante_1core | firstchoice. |
| 16:00.35 | dutchfish | !debian |
| 16:00.35 | dpkg | [debian] http://www.debian.org. See http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/project-history/index.en.html#contents |
| 16:00.35 | dante_1core | firstchoice. |
| 16:00.35 | jelly-home | ben_: best for what? |
| 16:00.36 | dante_1core | firstchoice. |
| 16:00.44 | ben_ | desktop use |
| 16:00.44 | dante_1core | firstchoice. |
| 16:00.45 | jelly-home | !best |
| 16:00.45 | dpkg | Best for what? Please define what you mean by "best". Gloria Gaynor! Tina Turner! Aretha Franklin! Men without Hats! Women without Hats! Men at Work! Women at Play! Anyone for Tennis! |
| 16:00.45 | dante_1core | firstchoice. |
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| 16:00.59 | techouse | hey |
| 16:01.12 | Ronin | thanks weasel |
| 16:01.23 | s0| | anyone feel like helping w/ an X issue? |
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| 16:01.38 | s0| | Fatal server error: no screens found |
| 16:02.07 | dutchfish | ben_, but likely you get another answer in another channel ;) |
| 16:02.27 | ben_ | that's because i'm under ubuntu right now |
| 16:02.39 | ben_ | and sometimes it freeze |
| 16:02.45 | jelly-home | ben_: how many desktops? Do you need remote manageability? Minimal problems with upgrades? |
| 16:03.03 | ben_ | or sometimes gnome-preferences feeze at startup |
| 16:03.13 | dutchfish | ben_, you should judge that by yourself, the main part the kernel is almost the same, but when your expirience grows the more you will be atrackted to debian, you can bet |
| 16:03.38 | jelly-home | ben_: well, since you already have it installed, I'd suggest to try and solve those issues you have first. |
| 16:04.03 | ben_ | i'm not skilled enough |
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| 16:04.17 | jelly-home | ben_: search the launchpad for similar problems and if there are none, report your own. |
| 16:04.27 | ben_ | ok |
| 16:04.32 | ben_ | debian is on launchpad too ? |
| 16:04.37 | jelly-home | ben_: no. |
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| 16:04.41 | dutchfish | ben_, just read learn some more, and the most important thing, dont give up ... you will get there |
| 16:04.47 | ben_ | ^^ |
| 16:04.53 | ben_ | Linux is realy cool |
| 16:04.58 | jelly-home | ben_: Debian uses its own bug tracking system, fwiw. |
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| 16:05.02 | dutchfish | no comments :) |
| 16:05.10 | ben_ | k |
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| 16:05.31 | ben_ | is it possible to have an animated desktop under gnome ok fluxbox ? |
| 16:05.36 | ben_ | or* |
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| 16:06.13 | dutchfish | ben_, yes, that feasable, not easy, but i have done it |
| 16:06.20 | ben_ | realy ? |
| 16:06.25 | ben_ | you should make an How to |
| 16:06.28 | ben_ | ^^ |
| 16:06.42 | dutchfish | ben_, google is your friend ;) |
| 16:06.48 | ben_ | i already searched |
| 16:07.04 | ben_ | but the only thing i found is a sceensaver on the desktop |
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| 16:09.34 | dutchfish | ben_, after some time i discard it, because it eats away too much cpu cycles, now i running slick desktops, speed is my major concern |
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| 16:11.36 | dutchfish | ben_, but i use quiet some desktop tools that are actually also usefull |
| 16:11.46 | sarixe | hi, i just installed ati catalyst 7.11. works fine, but i'm just wondering, where's the place to go to get started on installing compiz fusion? |
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| 16:12.29 | tanob | hello, anybody already used gcc with support to OpenMP with Debian ? |
| 16:12.38 | Hypergraphe | re |
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| 16:15.02 | techouse | i tried to connect my friend's hp compaq 6720s to the internet with pppoeconf and it says it can't detect a network interface and it wants to install some drivers with modconf...and i have no idea which to select |
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| 16:18.46 | Roman123 | currently I'm trying to install debian etch (netinstall) on my via c3 barebone (the processor should be i486 compatible). the installer runs fine but when I boot the newly installed system the kernel does not work because it is a i686 kernel :( |
| 16:19.32 | nkuttler | techouse: ifconfig shows no devices? |
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| 16:20.44 | Roman123 | why is the default install kernel i686 optimized? |
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| 16:22.38 | dutchfish | Roman123, the default is i486, correct me if i am wrong |
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| 16:24.12 | dutchfish | Roman123, otherwise us epert install and choose linux-image-2.6.18-5-486 |
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| 16:24.55 | dutchfish | Roman123, expert install* |
| 16:25.06 | Roman123 | dutchfish: vmlinuz-2.6.18-5-686 |
| 16:25.25 | Roman123 | I don't know why but this kernel was installed by the installer. |
| 16:25.27 | dutchfish | Roman123, is this debian installer, i dont believe so |
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| 16:26.46 | Roman123 | well, that's the kernel which was installed by installer. But I'll try the expert option. |
| 16:26.48 | Roman123 | thanks |
| 16:26.56 | dutchfish | Roman123, ok gl |
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| 16:27.38 | jcb_ | Hey all. Is it possible to tell the kernel to exclude a module as it was not enabled as module by defining something in the kernel entry in grub's menu.lst? |
| 16:27.48 | dutchfish | !blacklist |
| 16:27.48 | dpkg | In etch, lenny and sid, create/edit /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist.local and add a line similar to this (without quotes): "blacklist module_name". IMPORTANT: ask about <blacklist-initramfs>. For sarge ask me about <blacklist sarge>. To blacklist a module at installation time, ask me about <installer blacklist>. |
| 16:28.10 | AVRS | wow, thanks |
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| 16:28.13 | AVRS | I need that |
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| 16:29.21 | AVRS | !blacklist-initramfs |
| 16:29.21 | dpkg | hmm... blacklist-initramfs is If your kernel uses an initramfs image (most recent ones do), you need to run 'dpkg-reconfigure linux-image-$(uname -r)' in order to refresh its copy of blacklist table. Otherwise, early bootup won't follow your blacklist requests in e.g. /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist.local |
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| 16:29.33 | Rickywh | hi |
| 16:30.07 | Rickywh | why doesn't the netinst ask me to setup either dchp or static IP during netinst setup? |
| 16:30.08 | techouse | nkuttler: ifconfig shows no eth0 |
| 16:30.15 | Rickywh | instead it asks for just hostname and domain |
| 16:30.58 | dutchfish | Rickywh, it means it was not able to get to contact a DHCP server or your adapter was not found |
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| 16:31.25 | s0| | ok I just installed and X is hosed, I am trying to ship my logs/conf file to another computer, but I can't seem to send mail via the command line tired mpack and mutt .... looking for ideas/help |
| 16:32.02 | dutchfish | s0|, dpkg-reconfigure xerver-xorg |
| 16:32.38 | dutchfish | s0|, asuming this is etch |
| 16:32.49 | AVRS | So, I've come here for another question: someone, while installing Etch, gets error 141 from pkgsel. |
| 16:32.58 | AVRS | Is it "out of space" (http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=282155) ? |
| 16:33.24 | dutchfish | AVRS, how much space did you give / partition? |
| 16:33.25 | Rickywh | dutchfish, it's a virtual machine on my vmware workstation |
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| 16:34.00 | AVRS | It's not me, so I'm asking now. |
| 16:34.01 | dutchfish | Rickywh, ah you need to tell vmware what interface to use in its setup before bootup |
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| 16:34.11 | eth01 | i've changed the hosts file, what do i do know? |
| 16:34.20 | sdondley | DawnLight: hey, you there? |
| 16:34.28 | sdondley | I got thngs working finally |
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| 16:35.17 | Rickywh | dutchfish, my vm is set to use bridged mode |
| 16:36.23 | dutchfish | Rickywh, yes and what virtual simulation of the adapter, i beleive you can choose from 2 or 3 at the top of my head, not all work |
| 16:36.30 | s0| | no go |
| 16:37.01 | Rickywh | dutchfish: could i be using an outdated netinst? i'm using debian-40r1-i386-netinst.iso |
| 16:37.11 | dutchfish | s0|, mm hard to tell, you did choose right card and monitor setup? |
| 16:37.31 | s0| | still hosed, I would really like to ship the conf file and the .log file to another computer so I can send them to pastebin... need to get them off via the command promot looking for ideas on how to get the files off the computer not fix this P.O.S |
| 16:37.34 | dutchfish | Rickywh, sounds fine |
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| 16:37.44 | ThaBommer | seaching for family |
| 16:37.47 | Rickywh | bridged, NAT, Host-only, Custom (w/ pull down menu) |
| 16:37.56 | Rickywh | those are my network options for my VM |
| 16:38.13 | eth01 | eh? |
| 16:38.18 | eth01 | do i need to restart networking? |
| 16:38.21 | ThaBommer | Looking for Famil |
| 16:38.59 | dutchfish | Rickywh, can you log into the virtual machine? |
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| 16:39.14 | dutchfish | Rickywh, i mean debian |
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| 16:39.15 | Rickywh | yes, using the internal ip 192.168.1.112 |
| 16:39.22 | s0| | no ones has ideas on how to get the files off? |
| 16:39.31 | Rickywh | i used ssh to get in |
| 16:39.38 | dutchfish | Rickywh, what does ifconfig tells you? |
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| 16:40.07 | Rickywh | shows ETH0 and LOOPBACK |
| 16:40.10 | AVRS | dutchfish: he's given "10 GB" to /, and 2 GB or something to swap. That might have been used up; now trying to get the time spent installing from him (he's chosen almost every set of packages, so they probably wouldn't fit). |
| 16:40.15 | Rickywh | ETH0 is setup for internal ip |
| 16:40.47 | dutchfish | AVRS, lol, every? package, thats wow Gigs and Gigs |
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| 16:41.08 | AVRS | dutchfish: "desktop, web server, everything but mail and dns" |
| 16:41.24 | AVRS | And then left. |
| 16:41.30 | dutchfish | AVRS, just start off with the defaults you can install other slater with ease |
| 16:41.53 | dutchfish | AVRS, well at least you know why ;) |
| 16:42.39 | dutchfish | Rickywh, can you ping to the outside from within the virt debian? |
| 16:42.52 | AVRS | dutchfish: well, he was using Mandriva before, so is trying to install some default.%) |
| 16:42.52 | techouse | can i update etch to lenny using a cd image or something? |
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| 16:43.11 | techouse | cause i can't connect to the internet |
| 16:43.44 | seks | Hi, I am testing out buffer overflows on my Debian box, does Debian have some protection that prevents the EIP from being overwritten? |
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| 16:44.53 | seks | Yeah, I'll try to use gdb with more verbosity |
| 16:45.09 | seks | Er, wrong channel |
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| 16:46.14 | dutchfish | !etch-lenny |
| 16:46.57 | dutchfish | !etch->lenny |
| 16:46.57 | dpkg | First, see <apt-listbugs>. Next, edit sources.list (# editor /etc/apt/sources.list), change all non-local mentions of 'etch' or 'stable' to 'lenny'. Save the file, then update and dist-upgrade. Also consider subscribing to debian-devel-announce (ask me about <d-d-a>) to be aware of what developments are happening. NOTE: you should be running a 2.6 kernel before trying to upgrade |
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| 16:48.04 | FastPutty | hi, someone know about ibm blade Hs20 ? |
| 16:48.04 | Rickywh | dutchfish, sec phone |
| 16:48.06 | suppaman | hello |
| 16:48.15 | FastPutty | ibm blade server rack |
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| 16:48.24 | suppaman | pretty OT but does anyone know of a small i386 live distro with a benchmark tool? |
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| 16:48.54 | dutchfish | suppaman, why not use live-helper? ;) |
| 16:49.07 | suppaman | because I don't know what it is |
| 16:49.12 | suppaman | !live-helper |
| 16:49.12 | dpkg | it has been said that debian-live is in live-helper. make-live is a utility to build Debian Live systems. It takes a Debian mirror as an input and outputs a live system image (ISO image for CDs and DVDs, or tarball for netboot). make-live is still in the early stage of development, but has basic functionality and can be run successfully. Homepage: http://debian-live.alioth.debian.org/ |
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| 16:49.35 | sbk | Is there a way to alter the initial SYN retransmit timeout? I can't see anything immediately in the sysctl variables that seems relevent. I'd like (in this particular network) to have the initiator of a TCP connection retry faster than the default sequence of 3,6,12, etc seconds of timeout |
| 16:50.03 | dutchfish | suppaman, so you can put all your favors on it ... chears |
| 16:50.05 | suppaman | dutchfish: seems interesting enough, while I'd prefer a ready-to-run solution |
| 16:50.32 | s0| | does anyone here have a 8X00 nvidia card running right now? |
| 16:51.01 | suppaman | dutchfish: the point is I never did such a thing so I have no favor and have to browse for benchmarking tools while a ready iso would be, well, just ready |
| 16:51.11 | FastPutty | Someone know about IBM rack support |
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| 16:51.41 | dutchfish | suppaman, maybe one of those: http://www.debianhelp.co.uk/debian.htm |
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| 16:52.43 | suppaman | dutchfish: only knoppix-64's description talks about "benchmark" |
| 16:52.56 | dutchfish | suppaman, i used knoppix 64 for it, but its bulky so i made my own |
| 16:52.56 | suppaman | I'd like to compare performance of two VMs |
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| 16:53.09 | suppaman | dutchfish: I doubt VPC 6 is 64-bit :-) |
| 16:53.24 | dutchfish | suppaman, yes |
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| 16:57.36 | cemc | im trying to build vmware-server on debian lenny/sid. the server .deb and kernel module .deb compiles ok, but there seems to be no client built |
| 16:57.45 | cemc | anybody has some clue about this? |
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| 17:00.27 | Agiofws | HELLO ppl |
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| 17:01.23 | Agiofws | debian etch is not seeing my touch pad as a touchpad device from the BUS point of view |
| 17:01.32 | Agiofws | what module should be loaded so |
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| 17:01.49 | Eulex | none |
| 17:01.52 | suppaman | I'll try Ultimate Boot CD |
| 17:01.52 | Agiofws | cat /proc/bus/input/devices sees it as ubuntu does |
| 17:01.53 | suppaman | bye |
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| 17:02.07 | Eulex | Agiofws, using the synaptic X input driver should be enough. |
| 17:02.27 | Agiofws | N: Name="AlpsPS/2 ALPS GlidePoint" |
| 17:02.28 | Agiofws | P: Phys=isa0060/serio1/input0 |
| 17:02.28 | Agiofws | S: Sysfs=/class/input/input3 |
| 17:02.32 | Agiofws | Eulex, |
| 17:02.49 | Eulex | yes? |
| 17:02.55 | Agiofws | cat /proc/bus/input/devices does not list it as above |
| 17:03.11 | Agiofws | so first it has to be in there so xorg can find it |
| 17:03.30 | Eulex | it does not list it at all? |
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| 17:03.57 | Agiofws | Eulex, cani send you .conf file maybe you can give me an idea |
| 17:04.07 | Agiofws | Eulex, no not at all |
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| 17:05.53 | seks | Does Debian prevent the EIP from being overwritten? I am trying to test a buffer overflow |
| 17:05.54 | Agiofws | Eulex, it sees it wrong just as a mouse |
| 17:06.05 | Agiofws | Eulex, ubuntu though recognizes it |
| 17:06.35 | Eulex | Agiofws, no idea. what kernel are you running? |
| 17:07.59 | murosai | is the keyword testing synonym to lenny in sources.list? |
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| 17:08.56 | cahoot | presently |
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| 17:09.42 | metbsd | how do i run linux inside windows without vmware |
| 17:09.55 | Agiofws | Eulex, vanilla |
| 17:10.09 | Agiofws | an now you tell me use a debian precomp. kernel NO ? |
| 17:10.19 | Agiofws | well i did that yesterday |
| 17:10.22 | Agiofws | but still |
| 17:10.32 | petemc | metbsd: colinux is one way, not supported here of course |
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| 17:10.50 | metbsd | i wanna run debian |
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| 17:11.11 | Eulex | Agiofws, didn't run with a debian kernel either? |
| 17:12.06 | CalJohn | metbsd: without any vm? or just without vmware? |
| 17:12.06 | Eulex | *work |
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| 17:12.06 | metbsd | just without vmware, with any other vm |
| 17:12.07 | petemc | metbsd: virtualbox |
| 17:12.21 | CalJohn | metbsd: virtualbox |
| 17:12.48 | metbsd | ok |
| 17:12.52 | Agiofws | no |
| 17:13.21 | Agiofws | first prioriti is to see it in /proc/bus/input/devices |
| 17:13.31 | Agiofws | priority* |
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| 17:13.37 | Agiofws | or in dmesg |
| 17:13.50 | Agiofws | as an ALPS touchpad as ubuntu does |
| 17:14.01 | Agiofws | and i DONT wantto switch to ubuntu ::: |
| 17:14.33 | nemr | hello, everyone, my mom want to see me over the internet and she is using windows. But I don't know how to make my cam run in debian linux, and which software should I use. can anyone give me a very simply solution about which cam should I use and which software? |
| 17:14.41 | xingu | Agiofws: try "echo options psmouse proto=any" >>/etc/modprobe.d/psmouse |
| 17:14.53 | xingu | Agiofws: then rmmod psmouse; modprobe psmouse |
| 17:15.17 | xingu | err, that'd be echo "options psmouse proto=any" >/etc/modprobe.d/psmouse |
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| 17:15.52 | cahoot | nemr: usb cam? what identity according to lsusb? |
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| 17:16.33 | nemr | cahoot: Z-Star Microelectronics Corp. ZC0303 WebCam |
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| 17:17.01 | nascentmind | hi |
| 17:17.11 | cahoot | nemr: the number (notation xxxx:xxxx) |
| 17:17.22 | nascentmind | does debian have drivers for sis m760gx graphics card? |
| 17:17.37 | a4ndr3c | what is the diferent about vannila kernel and others? can anyone tell me or give me a site to read? |
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| 17:17.59 | nemr | cahoot: Bus 005 Device 005: ID 0ac8:303b Z-Star Microelectronics Corp. ZC0303 WebCam |
| 17:17.59 | simonkern | hi |
| 17:18.58 | simonkern | i have a problem with my mini pc.. when i want to boot without a monitor the system hangs, the last entry i see is "savedefault", with a monitor everything is normal |
| 17:20.27 | xingu | simonkern: /etc/default/acpi-support: SAVE_VBE_STATE=false, POS_VIDEO=false maybe |
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| 17:20.53 | xingu | s/POS/POST/ |
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| 17:21.05 | befree | any suggestions for blogging software that is relatively 'secure' i can easily install on debian? |
| 17:21.18 | cahoot | nemr: looks like it should work with spaca5xx/gspca - module-assistant should be able to make the module for you |
| 17:21.36 | cahoot | nemr: err spca5xx/gspca |
| 17:21.40 | befree | by blogging software i am referring to server software |
| 17:21.46 | simonkern | xingu: i'll try |
| 17:21.47 | Sivik | does anyone here know of a icewarp help irc channel? |
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| 17:23.01 | DawnLight | befree: drupal |
| 17:23.05 | nemr | cahoot: and which software should I use, and support windows? |
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| 17:23.30 | DawnLight | befree: but don't install such things through the packaging system. |
| 17:23.41 | befree | DawnLight curious- why not? |
| 17:23.48 | cahoot | nemr: no idea |
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| 17:24.23 | nemr | cahoot: thanks. fist I should make my cam run. many thanks |
| 17:24.29 | DawnLight | befree: a few reasons |
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| 17:24.33 | befree | DawnLight i've used drupal before actually. security? |
| 17:24.41 | waltz | hello where do I find a good tutorial on how to upgrade the kernel to the latest stable? |
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| 17:25.04 | waltz | !kernel |
| 17:25.06 | dpkg | Linux kernel versions, stable: 2.6.23.8, prepatch: 2.6.24-rc3, snapshot: 2.6.24-rc3-git1, 2.4: 2.4.35.4, prepatch: 2.4.36-pre2, 2.2: 2.2.26, prepatch: 2.2.27-rc2, -mm patch: 2.6.24-rc3-mm1 |
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| 17:25.08 | DawnLight | befree: drupal is very popular and gets security updates |
| 17:25.14 | _abc_ | hello |
| 17:25.23 | waltz | yeah see I'm still using 2.6.18 :| |
| 17:25.36 | _abc_ | has ayone got an asus x51r laptop's wifi going ? |
| 17:25.48 | DawnLight | waltz: you have the latest stable |
| 17:25.56 | befree | DawnLight you mind adding another comment on that and why not use drupal through debian packaging? |
| 17:25.58 | waltz | oh snap really? |
| 17:26.12 | _ShAmUkO_ | sad |
| 17:26.24 | waltz | ;< |
| 17:26.37 | befree | DawnLight are the debian packages not getting the security updates or something? |
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| 17:27.28 | waltz | yeah what's going on |
| 17:27.51 | Agiofws | xingu, lapi:/home/agiofws/ubuntu# echo "options psmouse proto=any" >/etc/modprobe.d/psmouse |
| 17:27.51 | Agiofws | lapi:/home/agiofws/ubuntu# rmmod psmouse; modprobe -v psmouse |
| 17:27.51 | Agiofws | insmod /lib/modules/2.6.22.6/kernel/drivers/input/mouse/psmouse.ko proto=any |
| 17:27.51 | waltz | DawnLight: 12:25 < dpkg> Linux kernel versions, stable: 2.6.23.8 |
| 17:28.04 | befree | DawnLight is it just easier? |
| 17:28.10 | DawnLight | befree: i doubt that they do get them in time, and if they did, i doubt the upgrade path is ok. upgrading drupal is a big procedure, unlike other software for your computer |
| 17:28.21 | dutchfish | !tell waltz about backports |
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| 17:29.06 | DawnLight | waltz: is there something wrong with your current kernel? |
| 17:29.22 | waltz | it could always use patches |
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| 17:29.42 | waltz | DawnLight: why are you telling me 2.6.18 is the latest stable when dpkg clearly disagrees? |
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| 17:30.02 | Agiofws | anyone know what module to load to make etch recognize a serio ISA touch pad ? |
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| 17:31.10 | micty_ | if I use gnome, can I use a kde applet? |
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| 17:31.34 | waltz | dutchfish: why do I care about backporting? |
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| 17:31.56 | waltz | dutchfish: I want to upgrade my kernel to the latest stable, which appears to be 2.6.23.8 |
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| 17:32.03 | DawnLight | !info linux-image-amd64 etch |
| 17:32.10 | dpkg | linux-image-amd64: (Linux kernel image on AMD64), section admin, is optional. Version: 2.6.18+6etch1 (etch), Packaged size: 2 kB, Installed size: 8 kB |
| 17:32.20 | murosai | is kde4 in testing? |
| 17:32.27 | dutchfish | waltz, you can run a kernel from backports easely in etch without recompiling yourself, but thats your choice, i just wanted to let you know |
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| 17:33.03 | simonkern | unfortunatly the options of xingu didn't help... |
| 17:33.06 | mooper | !pxe |
| 17:33.06 | dpkg | well, pxe is a network boot protocol. http://syslinux.zytor.com/pxe.php, or see http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/478 |
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| 17:33.56 | DawnLight | micty_: what is an applet? |
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| 17:35.51 | micty_ | DawnLight: I don't know, that's what they call it. It's probably an icon on the taskbar |
| 17:36.21 | LordDoskias | dutchfish 'r u there? |
| 17:36.25 | xingu | Agiofws: and what is proc/bus/input/devices saying about the device now? |
| 17:36.31 | dutchfish | LordDoskias, still |
| 17:36.36 | DawnLight | micty_: i think so, then. |
| 17:36.51 | Agiofws | it does not see any touchpad |
| 17:36.58 | Agiofws | i think it sees it as a mouse |
| 17:36.59 | LordDoskias | dutchfish can you tell me what should the admin set so that i have the tun0 interface? |
| 17:37.00 | Agiofws | xingu, |
| 17:37.11 | Agiofws | <PROTECTED> |
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| 17:37.42 | xingu | Agiofws: perhaps pastebin the lot somewhere |
| 17:37.55 | mksm_ | Hello. I have a US keyboard and I want to type: "ç" ('+c). Where do i configure this? I tried altering the system locale but doesnt work. |
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| 17:38.02 | Agiofws | xingu, ok |
| 17:38.04 | Agiofws | :) |
| 17:38.07 | DawnLight | Agiofws: can you maybe tell the bios to make the touchpad a mouse? |
| 17:38.27 | DawnLight | is there a way to detach X clients from X without killing them and reattach them afterwards? kind of like screen for the console? |
| 17:38.45 | dutchfish | LordDoskias, you dont need tun/tap at all, what i meant was adding a virtual interface in dom-0, ie edit /etc/xen/client.cfg[hvm] and add up another interface in its xen bridge wich your dom-U can have access too too your needs. |
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| 17:40.52 | xingu | DawnLight: run them under a vnc display server |
| 17:41.01 | waltz | how do I upgrade the entire stable system? |
| 17:41.24 | dutchfish | !tell waltz about etch->lenny |
| 17:41.34 | waltz | lenny is now stable? ;o |
| 17:41.48 | dutchfish | !etch |
| 17:41.48 | dpkg | Etch is the code name for the current stable Debian release, version 4.0, released on April 8th, 2007. Ask me about <install debian>. Please read the release notes at http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/releasenotes which also contain the upgrade procedure for upgrading from the previous version of Debian stable (<sarge>). |
| 17:42.04 | Agiofws | xingu, take a look http://rafb.net/p/Eejtf315.html |
| 17:42.11 | waltz | right, etch is what I'm running now |
| 17:42.31 | Agiofws | me too |
| 17:43.50 | xingu | Agiofws: line #32 |
| 17:44.00 | xingu | Agiofws: looks like a glidepoint, smells like a glidepoint... :) |
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| 17:44.31 | xingu | Agiofws: so in xorg.conf, try section inputdevice/ driver synaptics/ protocol auto-dev/ shmconfig on |
| 17:44.42 | xingu | Agiofws: which appropriate quotes and camelcase |
| 17:44.45 | Agiofws | xingu, go down that ubuntus output not debians |
| 17:45.06 | Agiofws | scroll down and see what debian gives |
| 17:45.12 | xingu | Agiofws: ok rmmod psmouse |
| 17:45.20 | xingu | Agiofws: check, make sure linue #134 vanishes |
| 17:45.20 | Agiofws | ok |
| 17:45.25 | Agiofws | ok |
| 17:45.26 | Agiofws | wait |
| 17:45.27 | xingu | Agiofws: then modprobe again; or, simpler, just reboot. |
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| 17:46.43 | Agiofws | ok event device 6 vanished |
| 17:46.58 | Agiofws | bu then toucpad stopped working |
| 17:47.02 | DawnLight | Agiofws: does lspci tell you that they're unknown? |
| 17:47.04 | Agiofws | and modprobed again |
| 17:47.46 | Agiofws | ok wait |
| 17:47.49 | Agiofws | let me see |
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| 17:48.43 | DawnLight | Agiofws: is the touchpad a pci connected device? |
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| 17:49.11 | Agiofws | DawnLight, i don;t think so |
| 17:49.15 | xingu | Agiofws: and after modprobe? is it back with the same protocol (ImPS/2), or has it come good as ALPS ? |
| 17:49.16 | Agiofws | its a serial ISA |
| 17:49.24 | Agiofws | http://rafb.net/p/syxeBl16.html |
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| 17:49.30 | Agiofws | xingu, as Imps/2 |
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| 17:49.41 | Agiofws | DawnLight, lspci http://rafb.net/p/syxeBl16.html |
| 17:49.55 | xingu | Agiofws: I'd try a reboot, the peripheral may well be confused by now. |
| 17:50.04 | Agiofws | I: Bus=0011 Vendor=0002 Product=0005 Version=0000 |
| 17:50.04 | Agiofws | N: Name="ImPS/2 Generic Wheel Mouse" |
| 17:50.04 | Agiofws | P: Phys=isa0060/serio1/input0 |
| 17:50.13 | Agiofws | xingu, this is ON for 5 days now |
| 17:50.19 | Agiofws | reboot won't do anaything |
| 17:50.26 | xingu | DawnLight: it's a bog standard alps glidepoint connected to the i8042 controller |
| 17:50.41 | Agiofws | xingu, :) |
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| 17:50.55 | Agiofws | is there a module for that controler ? |
| 17:51.15 | kanzure | Where can I get Mozilla's XPCOM as a deb? |
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| 17:51.51 | xingu | Agiofws: psmouse, and I'm not kidding about the peripheral getting confused about what mode it's in. |
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| 17:52.57 | Roman123 | ok, everything seems fine now. :-) Just one small problem left. My barebone has three network interfaces. Debian recognize them as eth3, eth4, and eth5 and not as it should be eth1, eth2, and eth3. Where can I change that to the "correct" behavior? |
| 17:53.03 | DawnLight | !wayttd kanzure |
| 17:53.03 | dpkg | What Are You Trying To Do, kanzure? |
| 17:53.10 | Agiofws | xingu, |
| 17:53.15 | Agiofws | xingu, Users of various touchpad input devices are unable to get the linux Synaptics driver applied to them. They function as mice, but that's all. If Ubuntu could be forced to identify these touchpads as "AlpsPS/2 ALPS TouchPad", this might solve the problem. |
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| 17:53.33 | Agiofws | xingu, ok i reboot and then what ? |
| 17:53.33 | kanzure | DawnLight: I need the package so that I can install wxmozilla (the ./configure script is demanding it) |
| 17:54.02 | xingu | Agiofws: see what it's probed at; this will rule in, or rule out whether or not the peripheral is just confused. |
| 17:54.18 | Agiofws | ok how do i see how its probed ? |
| 17:54.30 | xingu | Agiofws: just check the same file, proc/bus/yadda |
| 17:54.34 | Agiofws | i have chaecked dmesg menay times |
| 17:54.57 | DawnLight | kanzure: i don't know what xpcom is, but you can try 'apt-cache search xpcom' |
| 17:55.00 | kanzure | "No package 'mozilla-nspr' found" and "No package 'mozilla-xpcom' found" is the ./configure errors I am getting. |
| 17:55.02 | Agiofws | xingu, i have done this over 20 ..... times reboot |
| 17:55.05 | kanzure | DawnLight: I have done that. No luck. |
| 17:55.13 | Agiofws | i have to make a change .... |
| 17:55.21 | Agiofws | and then reboot |
| 17:55.31 | Agiofws | all i did was the echo command |
| 17:55.31 | xingu | Agiofws: have you rebooted since adding proto=any and now? |
| 17:55.43 | DawnLight | kanzure: not libxul-dev ? |
| 17:55.48 | Agiofws | xingu, no |
| 17:55.56 | Agiofws | let me see |
| 17:56.03 | kanzure | DawnLight: Nope, that doesn't have it apparently. |
| 17:56.10 | xingu | Agiofws: proto=any tells psmouse what to try in terms of more agressive _protocol_ detection |
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| 17:56.23 | Agiofws | xingu, can you see this pls http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=441552 |
| 17:56.28 | DawnLight | kanzure: what is that you're building |
| 17:56.34 | Agiofws | xingu, in what file did we add any ? |
| 17:56.37 | rares000 | where do I get the section 5 manpages (like for struct dirent) |
| 17:56.39 | kanzure | DawnLight: http://wxmozilla.sf.net/ |
| 17:56.46 | xingu | Agiofws: etc/modprobe.d/psmouse |
| 17:57.47 | Agiofws | lapi:/etc/modprobe.d# more psmouse |
| 17:57.48 | Agiofws | options psmouse proto=any |
| 17:57.49 | xingu | Agiofws: once userland thinks that it knows what protocol family the device is using, and acts accordingly, all hell can break loose from the peripheral's perspective; typically, the device will just no longer respond to probes for higher order protocols |
| 17:58.06 | Agiofws | xingu, one thing |
| 17:58.08 | xingu | Agiofws: hence, "confused", and a suggestion to kill power to the peripheral, and retest. |
| 17:58.14 | xingu | or, reboot |
| 17:58.20 | xingu | because it's inbuilt |
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| 17:58.30 | xingu | to your _bog standard_ i945gm/pm notebook |
| 17:58.34 | xingu | like the one I'm typing on |
| 17:58.38 | xingu | that has an alps touchpoint |
| 17:58.42 | xingu | that gets confused |
| 17:58.47 | xingu | if you use the wrong protocol families |
| 17:58.50 | Agiofws | i have added modprobe psmouse in rc.local is that ok ? |
| 17:58.59 | xingu | you don't need it there; udev will deal |
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| 17:59.07 | xingu | that's just to unload/reload the driver |
| 17:59.19 | Agiofws | its in kernel as M |
| 17:59.25 | Agiofws | i changed the to M |
| 17:59.29 | Agiofws | from * |
| 17:59.39 | DawnLight | kanzure: if you give up on using a package just figure out what it is that you need exactly and download it from upstream. i suggest wxmozilla's mailing list for support |
| 17:59.43 | Agiofws | ok |
| 17:59.51 | xingu | udev will autoload psmouse; it'll detect the i8042 and hotplug the driver |
| 17:59.52 | Agiofws | just reboot forsure ? |
| 17:59.59 | darrh00 | is it possilbe to remove a partly installed deb package without having to install it and then remove it? |
| 17:59.59 | xingu | it's the next thing to try |
| 18:00.01 | kanzure | DawnLight: Yeah, I'm scanning the archives. |
| 18:00.26 | DawnLight | darrh00: what package is that |
| 18:01.26 | Agiofws | The touchpad must be identified a "SynPS/2 Synaptics TouchPad" or an "AlpsPS/2 ALPS TouchPad". If it is identified as a "PS/2 Generic Mouse" or "PS/2 Synaptics TouchPad", something is wrong." |
| 18:01.37 | Agiofws | but i didn't see a solution |
| 18:01.39 | darrh00 | DawnLight: msttcorefonts,it tries to download from sourceforge which I can not access.so it failed.and I can not remove it. |
| 18:01.43 | Agiofws | ok xingu reboot ? |
| 18:01.51 | xingu | it's the next thing to try, here |
| 18:02.13 | mksm_ | so, how can i input pt_BR text using a US keyboard? |
| 18:02.15 | DawnLight | darrh00: i don't know |
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| 18:05.21 | lol | Hi, I asked this some time ago but because I was not using an IRC client I did not properly see any responses. Does Debian have some kind of EIP-protection to stop it from being changed? |
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| 18:07.27 | kanzure | DawnLight: Hm. I've fixed the problem with some strategic use of 'ln' ... but now I need to find gtkmozembed, an old package that doesn't seem to be supported anymore. |
| 18:07.31 | Agiofws | I: Bus=0011 Vendor=0002 Product=0005 Version=0000 |
| 18:07.31 | Agiofws | N: Name="ImPS/2 Generic Wheel Mouse" |
| 18:07.31 | Agiofws | P: Phys=isa0060/serio1/input0 |
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| 18:07.37 | Agiofws | xingu, ^^ |
| 18:07.59 | Agiofws | stillthe same |
| 18:08.18 | Agiofws | something to do with ISA or serial support ? |
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| 18:09.29 | fabrice_ | hi, can someone tell me which gui is offered with debian ? |
| 18:09.40 | sparr_ | many |
| 18:09.49 | sparr_ | mostly based on X11 |
| 18:09.56 | fabrice_ | how can i choose kde or gnome , or xfce ... ? |
| 18:10.02 | wols | fabrice_: pretty much all of them |
| 18:10.13 | Agiofws | Alps touchpads for portables implement the technology of Cirque, which makes its own touchpad devices, and licenses the technology to other device makers, like Adesso. |
| 18:10.13 | wols | fabrice_: just install whatever you want |
| 18:10.15 | waltz | how can I play an audio CD? |
| 18:10.15 | Agiofws | ?? |
| 18:10.27 | waltz | (using the DVD-ROM drive) |
| 18:10.37 | wols | waltz: with whatever media player you use |
| 18:10.54 | waltz | which one would you recommend, wols? |
| 18:10.59 | kanzure | I have a friend that has a deb file that I need, how can he send it to me (where is it located) ? |
| 18:11.01 | fabrice_ | wols: do you mean you install the gui during the install process ? |
| 18:11.13 | wols | fabrice_: no. you install the gui after installation |
| 18:11.24 | Agiofws | he problem is that while the Synaptics driver functions with Cirque based touchpads by Alps, it doesn't with Cirque's own touchpads, or Adesso keyboards, or Fellowes touchpads - I have one of each. None of the non-Synaptics/ Alps touchpads are recognized by Ubuntu as touchpads. |
| 18:11.25 | xingu | Agiofws: try proto=alps and see what happens |
| 18:11.33 | fabrice_ | wols: so, what's default gui ? |
| 18:11.36 | wols | kanzure: /var/cache/apt/archives/ |
| 18:11.45 | wols | fabrice_: none. debian has no default |
| 18:11.48 | Agiofws | in xorg ? |
| 18:11.57 | Agiofws | xingu, ? |
| 18:11.59 | fabrice_ | but fits all ? |
| 18:12.00 | xingu | Agiofws: etc/modprobe.d/psmouse; no reboot necessary. |
| 18:12.03 | kanzure | wols: thank you |
| 18:12.04 | xingu | Agiofws: just rmmod/modprobe |
| 18:12.19 | Agiofws | what the file again ? |
| 18:12.21 | xingu | Agiofws: if the devices aren't alps/ synaptics compatible, you're probably SOL |
| 18:12.34 | Agiofws | SOL ? |
| 18:12.39 | wols | !sol |
| 18:12.40 | dpkg | rumour has it, sol is Shit Outta Luck. Sex On Legs. Earth's star, or the note that precedes La, or but really straight out of luck, or a shit beer |
| 18:12.40 | xingu | Agiofws: etc/modprobe.d/psmouse |
| 18:12.43 | waltz | using the Gnome CD Player, how can I read off the DVD drive? |
| 18:13.02 | waltz | oh, got it, nvm |
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| 18:13.30 | Agiofws | xingu, whats the file agaiin ? |
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| 18:13.35 | Agiofws | ok ok |
| 18:13.38 | Agiofws | i saw it |
| 18:13.44 | fabrice_ | is 512 gb of ram of for debian ? |
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| 18:14.02 | wols | fabrice_: you don't have 512 Gigabytes |
| 18:14.15 | wols | and 512MB is fine |
| 18:14.21 | Agiofws | lapi:/etc/modprobe.d# more psmouse |
| 18:14.22 | Agiofws | options psmouse proto=any |
| 18:14.38 | fabrice_ | ok, wols, thks |
| 18:15.02 | Agiofws | lapi:/etc/modprobe.d# more psmouse |
| 18:15.03 | Agiofws | options psmouse proto=alps |
| 18:15.03 | Agiofws | lapi:/etc/modprobe.d# |
| 18:15.13 | waltz | "Could not open CD" |
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| 18:16.13 | sparr_ | waltz: does your user have permission to mount that drive? |
| 18:16.24 | xingu | Agiofws: that looks right; now rmmod psmouse; modprobe -v psmouse again |
| 18:16.28 | waltz | good point |
| 18:16.30 | waltz | how do I find out? |
| 18:16.33 | mooper | I't trying to get tftp working so I can have a play with PXE but Im getting Transfer timed out. |
| 18:16.39 | mooper | says its connected |
| 18:17.21 | waltz | hmm |
| 18:17.23 | riz_ | Hi guys. I'm trying to install sid on my new desktop. Actually I have two disk in raid 0 with vista installed. I wuold like to install debian on raid0 but the installer found two disks instead of one. I'm using Matrix ICH9 intel controller..Could someone please help me ? |
| 18:17.42 | Agiofws | xingu, |
| 18:17.47 | Agiofws | insmod /lib/modules/2.6.22.6/kernel/drivers/input/mouse/psmouse.ko proto=alps |
| 18:17.47 | Agiofws | FATAL: Error inserting psmouse (/lib/modules/2.6.22.6/kernel/drivers/input/mouse/psmouse.ko): Invalid argument |
| 18:18.16 | Agiofws | should i bang the touch pad |
| 18:18.18 | Agiofws | hello wols |
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| 18:19.05 | Agiofws | xingu, maybe i have to patch the kernel |
| 18:19.06 | Agiofws | ? |
| 18:19.09 | xingu | Agiofws: fair enough; that's as good as it gets, I think; what notebook make/ model is this? |
| 18:19.29 | xingu | Agiofws: (nb, switch back to proto=any, we may be playing more with it) |
| 18:19.56 | Agiofws | aspire 5310 take into note that IT does work with ubuntu 7.10 live cd |
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| 18:20.19 | Agiofws | and i don;t want to switch |
| 18:20.57 | xingu | Agiofws: what does grep MOUSE_PS2_ALPS /boot/config-`uname -r` report? |
| 18:21.57 | Agiofws | its a y i think |
| 18:22.10 | Agiofws | wait a sec |
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| 18:23.33 | Agiofws | xingu, lapi:/etc/modprobe.d# grep -i alps /usr/src/linux/.config |
| 18:23.33 | Agiofws | CONFIG_MOUSE_PS2_ALPS=y |
| 18:23.37 | Rickywh | does anyone else find the debian installer to be misleading sometimes? |
| 18:23.45 | Nyle | Rickywh: yes very |
| 18:23.53 | Nyle | I swear to god |
| 18:23.55 | Agiofws | justuse apt-get |
| 18:23.59 | Nyle | Rickywh: in what regard? |
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| 18:24.02 | Agiofws | oh you mean for the OS |
| 18:24.05 | Agiofws | srry |
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| 18:24.12 | Nyle | Rickywh: and no it isn't misleading imo |
| 18:24.13 | Rickywh | it sometimes asks you two questions and expects you to choose only one answer YES or NO |
| 18:24.28 | Nyle | if you think the debian installer is misleading, you probably didn't read the install guide |
| 18:24.40 | Nyle | in which case, you shouldn't even be asking here |
| 18:24.45 | Nyle | go read the install guide first |
| 18:24.48 | xingu | Agiofws: this is your own kernel? |
| 18:24.59 | Agiofws | yes |
| 18:25.05 | Agiofws | xingu, dmesg |
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| 18:25.07 | Agiofws | should show |
| 18:25.08 | xingu | maybe try the debian one... |
| 18:25.10 | Nyle | Rickywh: and if you are unsure about something, just hit enter |
| 18:25.11 | Agiofws | [4315892.898000] alps.c: Enabling hardware tapping |
| 18:25.11 | Agiofws | [4315892.963000] input: PS/2 Mouse on isa0060/serio4 |
| 18:25.11 | Agiofws | [4315892.976000] input: AlpsPS/2 ALPS GlidePoint on isa0060/serio4 |
| 18:25.14 | Rickywh | Configuring libc-client prompt is misleading |
| 18:25.17 | Agiofws | xingu, i did yesterday |
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| 18:25.46 | xingu | Agiofws: yes, but without the benefit of proto=any, which matters. |
| 18:26.03 | Agiofws | you think ? |
| 18:26.09 | sepski | Rickywh, no i dont think it's misleading, and if you still think it's misleading, write a bugreport, and suggest a better wording. |
| 18:26.11 | Rickywh | http://www.projektfarm.com/en/support/howto/perfect_setup_debian_sarge/images/29.gif // see this image |
| 18:26.23 | Rickywh | it asks you two questions at the bottom wtf |
| 18:26.24 | xingu | Agiofws: I know; without it, psmouse doesn't probe any higher than imex |
| 18:26.47 | xingu | Agiofws: ie, it won't look for synaptics, or alps at all |
| 18:26.51 | Agiofws | why is "any"so importtant ? |
| 18:26.53 | Agiofws | ok |
| 18:26.57 | Rickywh | i guess it's sort of the same question kinda |
| 18:27.09 | sepski | Rickywh, write a bug report about it if it annoy you |
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| 18:27.58 | Agiofws | ok rebooting |
| 18:28.29 | |amen| | i'm recompiling kernel 2.6.18 is good thing upgrade it befor recompile? |
| 18:29.57 | Rickywh | k |
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| 18:31.22 | Agiofws | xingu, still |
| 18:31.53 | Agiofws | xingu, download and compile my oun psmouse driver ? |
| 18:31.55 | kanzure | I installed all of the gtk2.0 packages (common, dev, bin, etc.), and still I can't do #include <gtk/gtk.h> -- is there something that I am missing ?? |
| 18:32.02 | Agiofws | i doubt it though |
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| 18:33.10 | thor_at_work | !simple sid backports |
| 18:33.11 | dpkg | First: See if the package has already been backported. Ask me about <backports>. If it hasn't, 1) Add a deb-src line for sid to your sources.list. 2) apt-get update 3) apt-get build-dep packagename;apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resultant debs. |
| 18:33.29 | smiler | kanzure: you need to use pkg-config while compiling I guess |
| 18:33.42 | kanzure | smiler: What? |
| 18:33.44 | xingu | Agiofws: can you pastebin dmesg somewhere? |
| 18:33.54 | Rickywh | is exim and postfix both MTA's? |
| 18:34.07 | Agiofws | xingu, yes |
| 18:34.27 | Agiofws | you think i should have a mouse attached and then modprobe ? |
| 18:34.39 | Agiofws | dmesg of debians kernel ? xingu ? |
| 18:35.18 | xingu | Agiofws: yes please |
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| 18:36.33 | smiler | kanzure: add `pkg-config --cflags gtk-2.0` or something like that to your gcc commandline |
| 18:36.56 | kanzure | smiler: but the command that calls gcc is in a ./configure file, so ? |
| 18:37.06 | kanzure | so should I just edit the file? |
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| 18:37.39 | smiler | kanzure: it should do it automaticly :S |
| 18:37.50 | kanzure | so maybe I didn't install the correct package? |
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| 18:37.56 | kanzure | which ones have I missed? |
| 18:38.24 | kanzure | "checking for GTK+ - version >= 2.0.0 ... no" <-- but I deliberately installed GTK+ >2 heh' |
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| 18:38.34 | smiler | kanzure: did you install the -dev package? |
| 18:38.38 | kanzure | yes |
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| 18:38.57 | Daejeo | is there any open source system for creating linux installers as well as windows installers? |
| 18:39.00 | kanzure | libgtk2.0-dev, smiler |
| 18:39.04 | smiler | ok |
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| 18:40.42 | ChrisW | um, I hope this isn't a stupid question, but what port the ping utioity use? |
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| 18:41.32 | smiler | ChrisW: icmp port 0 I think |
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| 18:42.03 | smiler | although it's not really a port |
| 18:42.33 | Daejeo | what is it? hole? |
| 18:42.44 | Daejeo | :) |
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| 18:44.25 | Agiofws | xingu, http://rafb.net/p/uNAkKi25.html |
| 18:44.44 | xingu | Agiofws: and just while we're waiting, can you also try proto=9 (and rmmod/insmod) just for laughs? |
| 18:44.58 | xingu | s/insmod/modprobe/ |
| 18:45.03 | Rickywh | anyone know what one of the packages the ssh is part of during debian install so you don't have to apt-get install ssh afterwards? |
| 18:45.14 | smiler | Daejeo: just a field in the packet header |
| 18:45.37 | stew | a non-existant field in the packet header |
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| 18:46.39 | smiler | it's named type instead of ports in icmp |
| 18:47.06 | JonkoPa | Everytime I'm like, I'm going to lose some pounds, but then I say to myself. Hey let's go for one last treat, for the last time, then IT"S OVER! But this just keeps looping. |
| 18:47.25 | stew | smiler: type has nothing to do with port. ICMP just doesn't have a port |
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| 18:47.58 | smiler | stew: I know, just trying to put it in simpler to relate to terms |
| 18:48.20 | Agiofws | xingu, ok |
| 18:48.24 | Agiofws | i'll try |
| 18:48.40 | Rickywh | if i su to root and do some stuff, then i want to su back to my nonroot and continue working as nonroot, how do i do it |
| 18:50.06 | Rickywh | nevermind, 'quit' works fine |
| 18:50.11 | Rickywh | i mean 'exit' |
| 18:50.12 | stew | Rickywh: su starts a new shell, exit will exit back into the parent shell |
| 18:50.18 | Rickywh | ahh k |
| 18:50.28 | stew | smiler: then you should have said 8 not 0 |
| 18:50.57 | smiler | stew: my bad |
| 18:51.11 | Agiofws | xingu, lapi:/etc/modprobe.d# modprobe psmouse |
| 18:51.12 | Agiofws | FATAL: Error inserting psmouse (/lib/modules/2.6.22-3-686/kernel/drivers/input/mouse/psmouse.ko): Invalid argument |
| 18:51.20 | Agiofws | whats "9" |
| 18:51.21 | stew | but i still think it would be more confusing to try to relate type to one of the two port fields |
| 18:51.31 | xingu | Agiofws: you don't have gpm running, or anything crazy like that, do you? and your x11 is configured with driver synaptics/ protocol auto-dev ? |
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| 18:52.13 | xingu | Agiofws: a hail mary; so the only valid choice, is proto=any, and if that's not working, then something is clobbering the peripheral before the psmouse gets to it |
| 18:52.30 | xingu | Agiofws: just out of interest, is the "psaux" driver currently loaded (don't load it if not) |
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| 18:55.11 | Rickywh | in my interfaces file for my eth0, i see, address, netmask, network, broadcast, gateway. I know all of them except 'network' and 'broadcast', anyone? |
| 18:55.18 | Agiofws | in 2.6 gmp won;t do anything but it was not on before days and touch pad was not working |
| 18:55.38 | Agiofws | and yes xorg is with synaptics driver |
| 18:55.52 | Agiofws | and protocol auto-dev |
| 18:56.01 | Agiofws | i tried apls aswell |
| 18:56.02 | zinx | 'gmp'? |
| 18:56.04 | Agiofws | its does better |
| 18:56.10 | Agiofws | but does not find the dviece |
| 18:56.17 | xingu | Agiofws: is gpm currently running or not? fuser -uf /dev/input/* might be an idea |
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| 18:56.38 | Agiofws | yes something is clobbering the device befroe synaptcis gets to it synaptics wants and event deivce |
| 18:57.03 | Agiofws | lapi:/etc/modprobe.d# fuser -uf /dev/input/* |
| 18:57.04 | Agiofws | /dev/input/mice: 2903(root) |
| 18:57.37 | xingu | Agiofws: and ps -o args -p 2903 ? |
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| 18:58.16 | Agiofws | xingu, in debian kernel i don't know how to grep the config file |
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| 18:58.35 | xingu | Agiofws: grep ... /boot/config-`uname -r` |
| 18:58.49 | xingu | Agiofws: what's process 2903 ? |
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| 18:59.27 | Agiofws | xingu, lapi:/etc/modprobe.d# ps -o args -p 2903 |
| 18:59.27 | Agiofws | COMMAND |
| 18:59.27 | Agiofws | /usr/bin/X :0 -dpi 96 -audit 0 -auth /var/lib/gdm/:0.Xauth -nolisten tcp vt7 |
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| 19:00.21 | Agiofws | xingu, lapi:/home/agiofws# cat /dev/psaux (�(�(�(�( �( |
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| 19:01.16 | bako1 | Question: If I was told to "reload my OS" and im running Debian Etch that means Reinstall? |
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| 19:03.29 | xingu | Agiofws: now that you're running the debian kernel again, can you try proto=alps ? |
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| 19:05.27 | xingu | Agiofws: failing that, try proto=synaptics please |
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| 19:06.10 | Agiofws | ok back |
| 19:06.13 | Agiofws | trying |
| 19:06.17 | TPM_Debian | hello @all |
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| 19:06.30 | Rickywh | doesn't that suck when you spend more than 5 minutes editing a config, only to find your not root so you cannot save it? |
| 19:06.40 | bako1 | Rickywh : yes |
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| 19:07.06 | Rickywh | does it suck more when you DO have root access also |
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| 19:07.41 | petemc | you just write it to somewhere you do have permission |
| 19:08.09 | HardDisk_WP | hi all |
| 19:08.26 | HardDisk_WP | I have a USB to harddisk (ide) thing |
| 19:08.33 | HardDisk_WP | can I also plug a DVD drive on it? |
| 19:09.09 | zinx | usually |
| 19:09.30 | zinx | but yours may be really crappy for some reason - we don't know :/ |
| 19:09.36 | HardDisk_WP | ^^ |
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| 19:09.50 | HardDisk_WP | should there be problems with power consumption |
| 19:09.50 | zinx | i've plugged all sorts of things in to mine, IDE and SATA |
| 19:09.52 | HardDisk_WP | ? |
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| 19:10.01 | zinx | there should be if you haven't also plugged in power to the drive |
| 19:10.20 | zinx | but IDE drives take more than USB will supply to spin up, too |
| 19:10.31 | xingu | Agiofws: if neither of those work, try proto=exps |
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| 19:10.39 | Agiofws | xingu, both produce an invalid argument |
| 19:10.41 | HardDisk_WP | yacc, it has external power source |
| 19:10.42 | Agiofws | ok |
| 19:10.50 | HardDisk_WP | s/yacc/yap |
| 19:10.55 | HardDisk_WP | damn tab completion |
| 19:11.22 | Rickywh | if i edit static ip information and save, then run /etc/init.d/networking restart, all while logged in remotely, assuming i'd be disconnected from my ssh when run that command? |
| 19:11.58 | kanzure | Shouldn't the GTK headers come with libgtk2.0-dev ? |
| 19:12.06 | xingu | Agiofws: essentially, we're just trying to trigger this fella; drivers/input/mouse/psmouse-base.c:622:if (max_proto > PSMOUSE_IMEX) { |
| 19:12.34 | Agiofws | xing |
| 19:12.37 | Agiofws | exps gives |
| 19:12.41 | Agiofws | I: Bus=0011 Vendor=0002 Product=0005 Version=0000 |
| 19:12.41 | Agiofws | N: Name="ImPS/2 Generic Wheel Mouse" |
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| 19:13.03 | Agiofws | xingu, can't i modprobe it ? |
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| 19:13.46 | xingu | Agiofws: so back to square one; the logical conclusion is that the touchpad is rejecting the id probe |
| 19:14.08 | snewp | was trying to run BastilleChooser but i got an error ... http://pastebin.ca/796074 |
| 19:15.59 | techouse | do i have to compie my own xchat to enable ipv6? |
| 19:16.20 | Rickywh | does ctrl-z send an app to the BG? |
| 19:16.31 | _Jam1e_ | aye |
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| 19:16.43 | Rickywh | how do i check which apps are in the bg> |
| 19:16.48 | _Jam1e_ | ps x |
| 19:16.59 | Tramp | Rickywh: jobs |
| 19:17.04 | xingu | Agiofws: ok, one more try |
| 19:17.06 | _Jam1e_ | will show you all the processes for your username |
| 19:17.39 | Rickywh | yes, i see the process for pinging google.com |
| 19:17.42 | Rickywh | how do i stop it |
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| 19:17.55 | waltz | Rickywh: ^C |
| 19:18.09 | xingu | Agiofws: from proc/bus/input/devices, find that same device; then, find its serio# from the sysfs= line |
| 19:18.19 | _Jam1e_ | ctl-c |
| 19:18.22 | Rickywh | i first have to bring it to FG somehow though |
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| 19:18.37 | xingu | Agiofws: then try - echo -n "alps" > /sys/bus/serio/devices/serioX/protocol |
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| 19:19.09 | agiofws_ | say again xingu |
| 19:19.15 | agiofws_ | got disconnected |
| 19:19.41 | waltz | Rickywh: sent it a TERM signal |
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| 19:19.51 | waltz | Rickywh: kill -s TERM <procID> |
| 19:20.21 | _Jam1e_ | Rickywh type fg |
| 19:20.22 | xingu | Agiofws: from proc/bus/input/devices, find that same device; then, find its serio# from the sysfs= line |
| 19:20.26 | xingu | Agiofws: then try - echo -n "alps" > /sys/bus/serio/devices/serioX/protocol |
| 19:20.37 | Rickywh | thanks |
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| 19:22.23 | Rickywh | so i'm guessing one must learn the proper way to close each application or command instead of using ctrl-z |
| 19:22.25 | ^Toad_ | hey all.. i'm having issues with my NFSv4 mounts freezing every couple days such that any process that tries to access them has to be killed forcefully |
| 19:22.48 | ^Toad_ | umount won't work since they're busy. umount -l works, but if I try to remount, it freezes up |
| 19:22.57 | ^Toad_ | other hosts mounting the same NFS server don't seem to have an issue |
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| 19:23.10 | ^Toad_ | NFS server in question is Solaris fwiw |
| 19:23.20 | ^Toad_ | any ideas? |
| 19:24.28 | xingu | Agiofws: any joy? |
| 19:25.20 | agiofws_ | wait xingu 3mins |
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| 19:26.42 | kanzure | How does ln work, is it <destination> <real version> ? |
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| 19:27.14 | ^Toad_ | kanzure: other way around |
| 19:27.16 | hoxu | kanzure, man ln, ln [OPTION]... TARGET... DIRECTORY |
| 19:27.21 | kanzure | right |
| 19:27.23 | kanzure | thank you :) |
| 19:28.18 | hoxu | kanzure, I suggest you learn reading the manpages as well, though, they can be useful... ln like some other gnu commands also allows the "reversed" -t <target directory> syntax as well :p |
| 19:29.04 | kanzure | btw, "target directory" sounds ambiguous |
| 19:29.09 | agiofws_ | xingu, |
| 19:29.14 | agiofws_ | P: Phys=isa0060/serio1/input0 |
| 19:29.14 | agiofws_ | S: Sysfs=/class/input/input9 |
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| 19:29.55 | agiofws_ | ? |
| 19:30.00 | agiofws_ | sysfs line ? |
| 19:30.19 | hoxu | kanzure, "directory to put the new symlinks in"? :p |
| 19:32.10 | agiofws_ | echo -n "alps" > /sys/bus/serio/devices/serio1/protocol < xingu ? |
| 19:32.30 | agiofws_ | is it the P:Phys ? line ? |
| 19:33.40 | agiofws_ | ? |
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| 19:34.57 | agiofws_ | xingu, lapi:/home/agiofws# echo -n "alps" > /sys/bus/serio/devices/serio1/protocol |
| 19:34.58 | agiofws_ | lapi:/home/agiofws# |
| 19:34.58 | agiofws_ | \ |
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| 19:36.21 | agiofws_ | N: Name="PS/2 Generic Wheel Mouse" |
| 19:36.21 | agiofws_ | P: Phys=isa0060/serio1/input0 |
| 19:36.21 | agiofws_ | S: Sysfs=/class/input/input10 |
| 19:36.35 | agiofws_ | xingu, |
| 19:36.37 | agiofws_ | i did |
| 19:36.43 | agiofws_ | xingu, lapi:/home/agiofws# echo -n "alps" > /sys/bus/serio/devices/serio1/protocol |
| 19:36.47 | agiofws_ | but still |
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| 19:40.20 | kanzure | Is there an "include path" variable? |
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| 19:40.25 | kanzure | Because I need it right about now ... heh. |
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| 19:41.09 | Decepticon | how do i rename my hdd from "279.5 GB Volume" to something more personal |
| 19:41.11 | Decepticon | in gnome |
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| 19:42.18 | Agiofws | xingu, no more sugestions hey ? |
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| 19:45.35 | |amen| | do u know some tools to map the keyboard? |
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| 19:46.16 | xingu | Agiofws: sorry, was afk |
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| 19:46.57 | xingu | Agiofws: and no, that's about it - if sysfs setting isn't doing it, then for whatever reason your touchpad isn't responding to the probe |
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| 19:47.27 | dfdsf | hi people |
| 19:47.31 | dfdsf | y have a problem with iptables |
| 19:47.31 | dfdsf | iptables v1.3.6: Couldn't load match `ipp2p' |
| 19:47.47 | Agiofws | xingu, its not the sysfs line thats has tha serio number |
| 19:48.03 | xingu | Agiofws: which leaves; (a) some process accessing the device (eg gpm, or another mouse device in xorg); (b) the device isn't synaptics or alps compatible; (c) there's a out-of-tree patch held in your other dist that does something magic. |
| 19:48.05 | Agiofws | P: Phys=isa0060/serio1/input0 |
| 19:48.05 | Agiofws | S: Sysfs=/class/input/input10 |
| 19:48.09 | espenel | hello |
| 19:48.15 | xingu | Agiofws: so, serio1 is what you need |
| 19:48.30 | Agiofws | ok i did that |
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| 19:48.48 | xingu | Agiofws: if you look at that same "protocol" file, is it still ImPS/2 or has it set to ALPS ? |
| 19:48.53 | xingu | Agiofws: ie, cat it |
| 19:49.00 | Agiofws | idid look |
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| 19:49.09 | Agiofws | its tsill Imps/2 |
| 19:49.24 | rocketmagnet | hi folks, does someone know where i can find drivers for a graphic table (debian |
| 19:49.25 | rocketmagnet | ) |
| 19:50.20 | Agiofws | no but do you know where i can find one for a touchpad ? |
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| 19:51.48 | Agiofws | /usr/bin/X :0 -dpi 96 -audit 0 -auth /var/lib/gdm/:0.Xauth -nolisten tcp vt7 |
| 19:52.13 | rocketmagnet | hm ? |
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| 19:53.17 | xingu | time to take it all out with a burst of bzflag |
| 19:53.24 | axolx | hey guys -- any offlineimap users in the channel? i have an auth question |
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| 19:54.19 | wols_ | !tell axolx about ask |
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| 19:54.56 | techouse | haha...updating etch to lenny solved the laptop problem :D |
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| 19:55.54 | axolx | hey guys -- im using offlineimap against a courier-imap server. i was wondering if there's a more secure way for offlineimap to log in that would not involve having to keep my password in clear-text in offlineimaprc |
| 19:56.26 | axolx | alternatively, im looking for a more secure way for offlineimap to authenticate |
| 19:58.21 | elmo40 | offline, as in not in the internet? why would you need it secure if it is offline on your machine? Stored in a local network mail server? |
| 19:58.38 | wols_ | axolx: just use pop3 |
| 19:58.46 | elmo40 | :P |
| 19:59.11 | wols_ | offlineimap with a special program even to make it work is just useless when pretty much any imap server can do pop3 as well |
| 19:59.22 | wols_ | just don't delete mail on the server when fetching it with pop3 |
| 19:59.47 | axolx | wols_: offlineimap is bidirectional. i can then send back my read messages as read, etc |
| 19:59.59 | axolx | wols_: pop3 is not a solution for me, but thanks |
| 20:00.24 | elmo40 | stunnel it... http://www.stunnel.org/examples/encrypt_services.html |
| 20:00.32 | vy | I've created an entry for eth2 (wireless eth) in /etc/network/interfaces with wpa-driver, wpa-ssid and wpa-password attributes. Despite I can see many available networks via kismet, "ifup eth2" returns with failure in DHCP look up. How can I gather more information about the problem? What I should suspect? |
| 20:00.36 | wols_ | won't solve the local clreartext pw |
| 20:01.11 | axolx | wols_: im already using secure imap. i just dont want my rc files containing cleartext passwords |
| 20:02.08 | wols_ | axolx: encrypt your files/partitions |
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| 20:04.19 | ChrisW | anyone know what package dos2unix is in? |
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| 20:04.58 | sgbirch | do you mean todos/fromdos? sysutils |
| 20:05.06 | gamag | how can I enable mod_ntlm in Apache on Lenny? |
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| 20:05.55 | Decepticon | in gnome, how do i rename my hdd from "279.5 GB Volume" to something more personal |
| 20:05.56 | sgbirch | ChrisW: for fixing cr/lf problems? |
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| 20:09.09 | Nyle | hm |
| 20:09.12 | Nyle | toner |
| 20:10.58 | Zippy2 | boner? |
| 20:11.14 | Nyle | laser printer toner cartridge you ninkampoop |
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| 20:12.06 | techouse | ok...i'm off to install a 64bit debian :D |
| 20:12.10 | techouse | bye |
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| 20:19.58 | hikenboot | greetings all I followed these directions http://feraga.com/node/94 to build a bootable usb encrypted thumb drive when i boot from it I get grub> prompt nothing else what am i doing wrong? |
| 20:20.19 | hikenboot | be back later to see responses thanks |
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| 20:22.35 | hikenboot | I even tried it a second and third time by building it on the same system I am booting from |
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| 20:22.50 | wols_ | hikenboot: grub doesn't have/find its menu.lst |
| 20:23.12 | wols_ | you can load the kernel manually and boot |
| 20:23.39 | hikenboot | how do i verify at the grub prompt that it is where its supposed to be |
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| 20:23.52 | wols_ | tho I wouldn't put the kernel, initrd and grub on a encrypted partition |
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| 20:24.40 | hikenboot | ok thanks |
| 20:24.46 | shigarame | hikenboot: grub can complete filenames with tab |
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| 20:26.38 | hikenboot | shigarame what do you mean |
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| 20:29.22 | nobby | Hi |
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| 20:29.39 | Haris | Hello people |
| 20:29.44 | dogan | hi |
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| 20:30.11 | Haris | How can I forcefully remove a package without removing its or the dependencies? I need to re-install the same package |
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| 20:30.57 | Serge_K | you can just dpkg -I <name> and it will be reinstalled |
| 20:31.14 | Serge_K | -i sorry |
| 20:31.18 | shigarame | hikenboot: read the grub docs, filed under 'command line interface' |
| 20:32.09 | Haris | Serge_K: Without removing the packages dependent on it? |
| 20:32.52 | Haris | or will it go through the excersize of FULLY removing all dependent packages and re-installing them as well? |
| 20:32.56 | Serge_K | Haris: or forto be sure.. you can apt-get --purge remobe <name> and then apt-get install <name> |
| 20:33.26 | Haris | Serge_K: Yep, THAT is what asks me to remove the packages dependent on it as well |
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| 20:33.47 | Serge_K | Haris: -i means just install and doesnt touch any dependancy |
| 20:33.54 | stew | Haris: aptitude reinstall packagename? |
| 20:33.58 | Haris | *thumbs up* |
| 20:34.06 | Haris | stew: Yes! |
| 20:34.36 | stew | Haris: why do you think you need to reinstall the package though? |
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| 20:35.07 | Haris | qmail <- file permissions |
| 20:35.09 | Haris | qmail get's nasty! |
| 20:35.18 | Haris | and has DAMNED SMALL docs |
| 20:35.26 | Haris | Hate code with no docs |
| 20:35.59 | Serge_K | Haris: you have Google:) |
| 20:37.01 | Serge_K | Haris: qmail is good I guess but I use postfix+dovecot:) |
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| 20:42.14 | snewp | i installed Bastille and tried to configure it .. but when i try to login to my other account it says that administrator has temporary disabled the access .. any ideas ? |
| 20:42.27 | JordiGH | I'm logged in as root on a machine that someone else is using locally. How can I pop up a message in their X server session? |
| 20:42.36 | JordiGH | I'm logged in remotely, that is. |
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| 20:43.24 | qrck | if it has a talk server maybe talk ? |
| 20:43.40 | qrck | talkd daemon running as a prereq. |
| 20:43.46 | qrck | on it locally |
| 20:43.52 | JordiGH | xmessage would work. I just need it to run in the remote server. |
| 20:43.57 | JordiGH | My remote, his local. |
| 20:44.04 | dryrot | how do i make debian automatically mount a usb connected hard drive when i plug it in ? |
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| 20:44.25 | stew | JordiGH: DISPLAY=:0 XAUTHORITY=/home/otherguy/.Xauthority xmessage "your message here" |
| 20:45.12 | urv | dryrot: aptitude install usbmount |
| 20:45.47 | JordiGH | stew: Thanks! |
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| 20:49.00 | snewp | does anyone has an idea why my other account cannot login after i configure bastille? It says administrator has temporary disabled the access |
| 20:49.14 | Serge_K | dryrot: it can be done with udev... though I prefer mount it by hands still |
| 20:49.38 | dryrot | Serge_K: i want to magically mount a volume when i plug it in |
| 20:50.13 | stew | dryrot: are you a gnome user? kde? neither? |
| 20:50.20 | Serge_K | dryrot: for me its easier just to type mount /mnt/camera, to say:) |
| 20:50.26 | dryrot | stew: I want to do this without using gnome or kde |
| 20:50.58 | stew | dryrot: apt-cache show ivman |
| 20:51.06 | Nyle | hm |
| 20:51.10 | Nyle | ivman |
| 20:51.29 | dryrot | i sure have a lot of stuff installed now! udev autofs ivman usbmount |
| 20:51.32 | dryrot | i hope one of them does it |
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| 20:52.06 | Nyle | lol |
| 20:52.22 | Nyle | its not a matter of hope, its a matter of knowing how things work so you can make them work for you |
| 20:52.43 | dryrot | all of those packages claim to mount usb volumes automatically, i couldnt get autofs or usbmount to do it |
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| 20:56.57 | stew | !tell root____1 about root |
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| 20:57.59 | sini | that was indeed the wrong terminal |
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| 20:59.09 | klhrevolutionist | howto add experimental to sources.list ? |
| 20:59.30 | stew | klhrevolutionist: /msg dpkg experimental |
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| 21:00.06 | sini | So I have an old machine that I want to turn into a file server and like 10 hard drives of various sizes I'd like to drop into it... what drawbacks are there to a JBOD LVM setup, and where can I find more information on setting it up? |
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| 21:00.21 | sini | I'm not finding it in the debian wiki. |
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| 21:01.22 | klhrevolutionist | ty |
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| 21:01.28 | Serge_K | sini: LVM is probably slower than RAID.. just make RAID of them.. |
| 21:02.05 | Ryan52 | I installed my system over the serial port so it messed everything up. I edited /boot/grub/menu.list and it works until I install a new version of the kernel. What config file do I need to change to make "update-grub" stop adding the serial part? |
| 21:02.17 | sini | serge_k: software? |
| 21:02.43 | Serge_K | sini: kernel raid modules and mdadm |
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| 21:03.40 | Haris | damned, I underestimated the collective size of mailboxes :| |
| 21:03.48 | Haris | Now its taking ages to copy |
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| 21:05.22 | Serge_K | sini: I have a 2 gig storage built with raid.. works good... a bit risky though, of course |
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| 21:05.38 | sini | Serge_K: can I use mdadm with drives of completely different sizes? also speed isn't an issue it's going to torrent and store mp3's and tv shows and thats about it. |
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| 21:06.09 | sini | I guess it'll prolly do dhcp and some routing, but hat's irrelevant. |
| 21:06.44 | Serge_K | sini: yes you can if you want to build one_big_disk of them.. I just forgot if it raid 0 or 1... just one big disk... |
| 21:07.44 | sini | and if a drive fails how secure is it? do I lose the whole filesystem or just what was stored on that drive? |
| 21:08.33 | Serge_K | sini: it works perfect and you gain +60% on reading, +30% on writing... and more disks more gain even |
| 21:09.22 | Serge_K | sini: thats a trap: one disk fails, all storage go shit |
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| 21:11.15 | Serge_K | sini: so I had 8 250x hdds.. and I made 4 raids.. I felt too risky to make it one whole |
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| 21:12.37 | Serge_K | sini: now I think I had to build 2 raids.. but it is too late:) |
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| 21:13.02 | sini | Serge_K: Yeah. I've got a bunch of 40 and 80 gigs... and I don't want to have my stuff split over 10 drives. |
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| 21:13.23 | RedEyess | hi |
| 21:13.46 | RedEyess | can someone point me to the right direction when it comes to setting up my duo core processor under etch? |
| 21:13.57 | JordiGH | Awesome, looks like wengophone works without a hitch. I just managed to talk to a Windows user on it without doing anything more than saying "here's the website, here's my id, let's chat!" |
| 21:13.59 | RedEyess | i only have one processor showing |
| 21:14.12 | Serge_K | sini: well your choise... realibility ve productivity... but mdadm works quite well.. had no problems with it |
| 21:14.35 | JordiGH | RedEyess: Don't quote me, but I believe you need to install a kernel that's already enabled for dual processor.s |
| 21:15.07 | RedEyess | ok |
| 21:15.09 | RedEyess | thanks |
| 21:15.11 | Serge_K | sini: and with old disks... it raises performance well |
| 21:16.02 | rwp_ | All of the recent debian kernels are SMP by default. |
| 21:16.02 | sini | Serge_K: can you help me find a manual/wiki/howto? |
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| 21:16.02 | rwp_ | RedEyess, are you sure you have more than one processor in the machine? |
| 21:16.03 | RedEyess | JordiGH: Any idea which kernel? |
| 21:16.05 | RedEyess | yes... |
| 21:16.14 | RedEyess | because it shows as having two under Windows |
| 21:16.22 | RedEyess | and the sticker on the laptop |
| 21:16.36 | rwp_ | What Debian system have you installed on the machine? |
| 21:16.37 | JordiGH | RedEyess: You undoubtedly have two processors. |
| 21:16.47 | ICQnumber | :-) |
| 21:16.48 | Serge_K | sini: it is in debian docs... look for Linux RAID HOWTO |
| 21:16.55 | RedEyess | this is installed: 2.6.18-5-686 #1 SMP |
| 21:17.07 | RedEyess | so it should work, no? |
| 21:17.13 | rwp_ | You could try booting a live cd system and using that as a double check for hardware compatibility. |
| 21:17.32 | rwp_ | Yes. The SMP says that it supports multiple processors. |
| 21:17.37 | RedEyess | hmmmm |
| 21:17.46 | RedEyess | when i type top |
| 21:17.49 | RedEyess | it only shows one |
| 21:17.58 | RedEyess | i have used another distro and the two showed |
| 21:18.08 | rwp_ | top always only shows one by default. That is what it is supposed to do. |
| 21:18.11 | RedEyess | i am wondering if there is a configuration that I need to do (?) |
| 21:18.24 | sini | you can try 'cat /proc/cpuinfo' |
| 21:18.25 | rhs | RedEyess: pastbin your dmesg |
| 21:18.32 | sini | to see if it's listed |
| 21:18.32 | rwp_ | Try running top on a 64 processor machine and if it showed individual cpus then there would be no space in the terminal window for the "top" use. |
| 21:18.59 | Serge_K | sini: thing I can say... shit old hdds.. their only place is in raid with shit files no-one cares of stability.. so raid its the way,.. really:) |
| 21:19.00 | rwp_ | In 'top' use the 1 key to toggle cpu displays screens. |
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| 21:19.17 | rwp_ | Or if you want fancy top then install 'htop'. |
| 21:19.19 | RedEyess | k |
| 21:19.19 | sini | Serge_K: thanks |
| 21:19.24 | RedEyess | one second |
| 21:20.09 | sini | RedEyess: there should be no configuration as long as your running a smp kernel, it should be listed in /proc/cpuinfo |
| 21:20.18 | RedEyess | where is pastebin |
| 21:20.30 | Serge_K | sini: those strorage device I told of... folks store gigs of porn on it:) :))))) |
| 21:20.30 | rwp_ | http://www.pastebin.ca/ |
| 21:20.40 | RedEyess | k |
| 21:21.01 | sini | haha serge |
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| 21:22.43 | Decepticon | i got all these /media/* dirs in there when i plugged in random usb hdds, i cant seem to delete them even after the usb hdds have been removed and the /media/* dirs are not listed in the mount command |
| 21:22.55 | Decepticon | i chowned them too |
| 21:23.30 | sini | Decepticon: they're created by HAL |
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| 21:23.44 | ferronica | On Ups Power, I check off Enable Ups Discharge Alarm then I hit close.. when I reopen that same menu the option is not checked.. what's going on? I have restarted the apc service a couple of times.. but it's still unchecked whenever I look at it |
| 21:24.07 | Decepticon | sini what do i do to get rid of them? |
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| 21:24.33 | RedEyess | here is my paste: dmesg & cpuinfo |
| 21:24.37 | Serge_K | sini: the problem of cheap storages built of junt is another actually |
| 21:24.42 | RedEyess | http://www.pastebin.ca/796205 |
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| 21:25.02 | RedEyess | it's showing two processors |
| 21:25.25 | Serge_K | sini: they are actually are built of old computers with not a lot of RAM |
| 21:25.37 | RedEyess | two cores I mean |
| 21:25.40 | justus | hello! i'm searching for the package courier-auth-mysql which isn't in etch, anymore. has it been renamed? |
| 21:26.06 | sini | Serge_K: this is a 1ghz p3, but it's got 768mb of ram and 1.5gb of swap so I should be fine |
| 21:26.07 | Serge_K | sini: but sooner or later one gotta make fsck |
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| 21:26.55 | Eulex | justus, a simple apt-cache search courier auth mysql returns courier-authlib-mysql |
| 21:27.00 | Serge_K | sini: so to say... 1 gig of RAM isnt enough to make fsck on 500 gig drive |
| 21:27.16 | justus | Eulex: i found that one, too. but i'm not sure if it's the same |
| 21:27.40 | RedEyess | rwp_: Any thoughts? |
| 21:27.53 | Eulex | justus, Replaces: courier-authmysql |
| 21:28.04 | justus | Eulex: thanks a lot! |
| 21:28.22 | RedEyess | wait... |
| 21:28.23 | Serge_K | sini: I have no idea maybe it is xfs filesystem or not... |
| 21:28.23 | RedEyess | ummm |
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| 21:28.27 | RedEyess | maybe it is working |
| 21:28.34 | rwp_ | RedEyess, You said it is showing two processors. So it is working for you. Right? |
| 21:28.42 | RedEyess | yes |
| 21:28.50 | RedEyess | I was interpreting stuff wrong |
| 21:29.06 | RedEyess | the little applet is showing two CPUs |
| 21:29.13 | Serge_K | sini: its well enough for a junk-server.. but how it will be with fsck |
| 21:29.15 | RedEyess | I am a nuts at times |
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| 21:31.26 | Serge_K | sini: its quite well... at mime samba worked quite well with 128 ram and about 600 mhz for 100 users of mp3/avi stuff |
| 21:31.35 | kanzure | If I made a link to a file, and I delete the link, the original file is not deleted, right? |
| 21:31.44 | Serge_K | sini: mime=mine |
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| 21:32.07 | ferronica | On Ups Power, I check off Enable Ups Discharge Alarm then I hit close.. when I reopen that same menu the option is not checked.. what's going on? I have restarted the apc service a couple of times.. but it's still unchecked whenever I look at it |
| 21:32.22 | S4nD3r | which browser is best to use ?? |
| 21:32.34 | kanzure | S4nD3r: Whichever one works for you. What are you looking for in a browser? |
| 21:32.47 | Serge_K | S4nD3r: links |
| 21:32.50 | S4nD3r | I was using galeon, but this is so hard to install jvm |
| 21:32.52 | kanzure | S4nD3r: For example, I am a browser power user, so I have to use Opera in order to open 300 tabs at once. But Firefox works for good ad blocking and so on. |
| 21:33.14 | S4nD3r | I uses to see youtube, flash, and access bank site (jvm) |
| 21:33.22 | kanzure | ? |
| 21:33.41 | S4nD3r | iceweasel is with bugs, always crashes |
| 21:33.52 | kanzure | How is galeon, anyway? I need to try it. |
| 21:34.04 | Guerin | it's just firefox made more crap |
| 21:34.11 | kanzure | Geurin: Seriously? |
| 21:34.25 | Guerin | it's too lightweight to actually be useful |
| 21:35.26 | S4nD3r | galeon is so fast to access sitess |
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| 21:36.37 | S4nD3r | but theres no easy support to jvm |
| 21:36.53 | Decepticon | i got all these /media/* dirs in there when i plugged in random usb hdds, i cant seem to delete them even after the usb hdds have been removed/umounted and the /media/* dirs are not listed in the mount command, I even tried deleting them after I chowned the /media/* dirs, but i keep getting permission denied errors |
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| 21:37.15 | Guerin | Decepticon: why delete them? |
| 21:37.18 | Guerin | leave them be |
| 21:37.26 | Decepticon | huh, i dunno |
| 21:37.30 | Decepticon | just had this itch |
| 21:37.41 | Decepticon | names are too smiliar to useful dirs |
| 21:37.42 | Serge_K | be root |
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| 21:39.04 | Decepticon | Serge_K that works |
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| 21:39.15 | Decepticon | cant believe i didnt think of that |
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| 21:39.54 | Guerin | ... |
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| 21:41.00 | Serge_K | funny how being Administrator in XP doesnt gives you any permissions on another alien disk connected .. sometimes:0 |
| 21:41.48 | S4nD3r | how to install jvm in galeon? |
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| 21:44.05 | Salihu | ... |
| 21:44.12 | Serge_K | S4nD3r: jvm= java virtual machine??? |
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| 21:44.54 | S4nD3r | sure |
| 21:45.09 | S4nD3r | in about:plugins (galeon) shows jvm as installed |
| 21:45.13 | S4nD3r | but not works |
| 21:46.07 | Serge_K | S4nD3r: you go sun.com site... download their java and install it inot /opt |
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| 21:47.00 | S4nD3r | its working in another browser |
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| 21:47.23 | S4nD3r | the problem is, iceweasel is crashing everytime, then, id like to just use galeon |
| 21:47.27 | Serge_K | S4nD3r: sorry I'm not into Gnome |
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| 21:52.47 | S4nD3r | ummm |
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| 21:56.49 | shaleh | can someone help start me down the path of getting UTF8 chars working in my rxvt sessions? I would like to learn how to properly input umlauts, cedillias, etc. |
| 21:57.14 | shaleh | starting from standard American keyboard, IBM laptop |
| 21:58.30 | Haris | how to abort the damned aptitude remove? |
| 21:58.40 | Haris | its removing all spamassassin rules for every damned mailbox |
| 21:58.42 | Haris | and won't stop |
| 21:58.46 | Haris | with Ctrl+C |
| 21:58.59 | shaleh | what started this is I got some cddb data that apparently uses Windows unicode names for these characters and I want to correct them. But this is something I have been meaning to pick up anyways. |
| 21:59.05 | shaleh | Haris: kill the process? |
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| 21:59.37 | nkuttler | shaleh: correct them to what? iso? other utf8? |
| 21:59.52 | shaleh | nkuttler: valid, Linux readable utf8 is fine by me |
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| 22:02.15 | nkuttler | shaleh: hm, i vaguely remember writing a perl script for such a purpose... |
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| 22:03.43 | gustavo | hey |
| 22:03.51 | nkuttler | shaleh: i guess that was before my revision control days. i remember perl being good at taking in odd (web based) encodings and outputting something sane |
| 22:03.55 | gustavo | how can i install ssl for apache? i cant find libapache2-mod-ssl |
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| 22:05.53 | shaleh | nkuttler: yeah, I can get Python to tell me 'LATIN SMALL LETTER U WITH DIAERESIS' |
| 22:06.09 | shaleh | nkuttler: I just have not read enough docs to turn that back into a useful character |
| 22:06.18 | HardDisk_WP | where are the config stuff for /dev/sgX in Udev? |
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| 22:06.50 | shaleh | HardDisk_WP: well, it may be udev or hal eitherway, look in /etc/. |
| 22:07.04 | HardDisk_WP | i did |
| 22:07.09 | HardDisk_WP | there are just general stuff |
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| 22:08.04 | shaleh | HardDisk_WP: what do you want to change? |
| 22:08.13 | HardDisk_WP | the numberings |
| 22:08.39 | HardDisk_WP | i got /dev/sg0,1,2 and /dev/sr0,1 |
| 22:08.49 | HardDisk_WP | i want to know where and how they are defined |
| 22:09.19 | shaleh | HardDisk_WP: when a device is added for that node a new minor number is added and a mknod is called |
| 22:09.26 | HardDisk_WP | and of course i want to know which device is which... |
| 22:09.42 | HardDisk_WP | shaleh, i know basically how the process works |
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| 22:10.39 | HardDisk_WP | i just dunno where the link phys. drive=>device file is made |
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| 22:11.18 | shaleh | HardDisk_WP: ah I think that lives somewhere in /sys. |
| 22:11.48 | HardDisk_WP | the config live in /etc/udev |
| 22:11.56 | HardDisk_WP | but a grep didnt take me to result |
| 22:12.21 | Decepticon | okay so, i was using gparted to make a usb hdd into a ext2 filesystem over vnc, i accessed too many hdds at once on the remote computer and now its not responding to vnc or even ssh, like its stuck... is it safe to reboot the computer? |
| 22:12.37 | Decepticon | i have no data to be saved on the usb hdd |
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| 22:21.11 | kanzure | pkg-config --modversion xdamage ---> "Package 'Xdamage' requires 'damageproto >=1.1 but DamageProto is 1.0.3" |
| 22:21.13 | kanzure | What do I do? |
| 22:21.36 | shaleh | kanzure: um, time to upgrade? |
| 22:21.50 | kanzure | shaleh: These are all the altest packages |
| 22:21.55 | kanzure | *latest |
| 22:22.03 | shaleh | kanzure: latest in unstable? |
| 22:22.07 | kanzure | I'm on testing |
| 22:22.12 | kanzure | so yes? |
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| 22:22.38 | snikker | someone know how to configure horde? i've installed it, but i can't login... |
| 22:23.15 | shaleh | kanzure: according to packages.debian.org, lenny has 1.1.1-3 |
| 22:23.33 | shaleh | kanzure: libxdamage-dev |
| 22:23.40 | Eulex | anyone have an idea of where I might find an old debian package of gcc-3.2? |
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| 22:24.24 | kanzure | shaleh: My apt-cache policy says that I already have that version. |
| 22:24.27 | shaleh | Eulex: old archives, Debian does not host it anymore |
| 22:24.55 | shaleh | kanzure: one moment |
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| 22:25.30 | Eulex | shaleh, I've tried sdn, but no luck |
| 22:25.48 | Eulex | and the package was never part of any actual release. |
| 22:25.51 | shaleh | Eulex: cheapbytes old cds? |
| 22:26.04 | shaleh | Eulex: oh, that definitely means you are out of luck )-: |
| 22:26.11 | Haris | does cp have a switch to it on etch to copy dot files/folders recursively too? |
| 22:26.12 | Guerin | snikker: #horde might know |
| 22:26.32 | Eulex | shaleh, yeah, I think I'll have to build it myself. |
| 22:26.33 | Haris | I need a cp -p -u right now |
| 22:27.19 | Haris | looking at the man, I get disappointed |
| 22:27.49 | kanzure | shaleh: anything? |
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| 22:28.13 | shaleh | kanzure: one sec |
| 22:28.16 | Eulex | haha. I found m32r packages of gcc-3.2 on the internet, though. |
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| 22:29.04 | snikker | Guerin: no answer in #horde :( |
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| 22:29.34 | petemc | snikker: check the logs of your imapd |
| 22:30.04 | FabParma | how to swicht Debian at init 3 when i finished to configure it? |
| 22:30.15 | Haris | no one talks in #horde |
| 22:30.33 | shaleh | kanzure: digging around |
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| 22:31.58 | FabParma | does exist a way to switch off the graphic engine without reboot Debian? |
| 22:32.01 | snikker | petemc: i've "FAILED LOGIN 192.168.0.4 to localhost:143", but i dan't nedd a imap, just pop3... |
| 22:32.18 | shaleh | kanzure: you have libxdamage-dev and x11proto-damage-dev installed and both are version 1.1.1-3? |
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| 22:32.28 | kanzure | shaleh: Hold. |
| 22:33.13 | kanzure | x11proto-damage-dev is 1.0.3-0ubuntu2 |
| 22:33.38 | kanzure | shaleh: But apt-cache policy says that 1.10-2 is available for x11proto-damage-dev. However, when I do apt-get install, it says it's already at the latest version. What do I do? |
| 22:33.38 | shaleh | kanzure: well, there yeah go, install the Debian one from testing and all should be well |
| 22:33.45 | kanzure | shaleh: see my last message |
| 22:34.13 | shaleh | kanzure: well, either your apt sources list is busted or you need to run apt-get update again |
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| 22:34.31 | shaleh | kanzure: I just checked my own apt-cache and it says 1:1.1.1-3 |
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| 22:34.34 | kanzure | shaleh: Unable to open the lock list directory. <-- What does this mean? |
| 22:34.43 | shaleh | kanzure: run it as root, not a user |
| 22:34.47 | kanzure | I am root |
| 22:34.55 | shaleh | kanzure: hmm, odd |
| 22:35.03 | kanzure | (11 Resource temporarily unavailable) |
| 22:35.12 | kanzure | Should I remove the lock file? |
| 22:35.27 | petemc | snikker: what do you think horde should authenticate against? |
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| 22:35.45 | shaleh | kanzure: I am not familiar with that message |
| 22:35.50 | kanzure | shaleh: I fixed it. |
| 22:35.56 | shaleh | kanzure: neither is google (-: |
| 22:35.57 | kanzure | shaleh: But I still can't get the latest version. I ran apt-get update. |
| 22:36.17 | shaleh | ah, it is an ubuntu thing |
| 22:36.25 | kanzure | I am on Debian, not Ubuntu |
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| 22:36.29 | corran | anyone else have problems with quake3 based games after the latest batch of xorg updates? |
| 22:36.43 | corran | (in unstable) |
| 22:37.03 | shaleh | corran: sorry /me is not a gamer |
| 22:37.18 | kanzure | shaleh: I don't know what to do. :( |
| 22:37.22 | Kamping_Kaiser | kanzure, if dpkg has locked the database, its for a reason |
| 22:37.30 | Kamping_Kaiser | its probably doing a package list update in the background |
| 22:37.32 | snikker | petemc: in mysql? |
| 22:37.36 | shaleh | kanzure: so, apt-get update, apt-get upgrade? |
| 22:37.36 | kanzure | Kamping_Kaiser: Ah. Oops? |
| 22:37.42 | kanzure | shaleh: I should do both? |
| 22:38.00 | shaleh | kanzure: 'update' gets the package list, 'upgrade' applies the changes |
| 22:38.01 | kanzure | apt-get upgrade says I need 417 MB of packages |
| 22:38.02 | kanzure | is this good? |
| 22:38.15 | shaleh | kanzure: it means you have a lot of downloads ahead of you (-: |
| 22:38.22 | petemc | snikker: you're guessing? when ive used it, it just use the imapd - how you think horde should access mail? |
| 22:38.46 | Kamping_Kaiser | kanzure, i recomend dist-upgrade myself |
| 22:38.58 | shaleh | Kamping_Kaiser: even within the same release? |
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| 22:39.06 | kanzure | Kamping_Kaiser: Why's that? |
| 22:39.37 | Kamping_Kaiser | shaleh, yeah. |
| 22:39.44 | snikker | petemc: i don't know, i just need mysql and pop3. i don't need imap. in the horde website, they sayd that it can handle pop3 too... |
| 22:39.46 | Kamping_Kaiser | kanzure, it resolves dependancies better |
| 22:39.54 | Kamping_Kaiser | well. it *does* resolve dependancies |
| 22:39.56 | kanzure | eek, should I stop it immedaitely ? |
| 22:40.02 | Kamping_Kaiser | nah. dont stress |
| 22:40.04 | kanzure | *immediately |
| 22:40.14 | petemc | snikker: i think you need to do some more reading |
| 22:40.18 | Kamping_Kaiser | on a stable system it *should* be moot |
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| 22:41.18 | Lite- | Hai |
| 22:41.31 | regis1 | I have a problem:sometimes at boot the kernel first detect SATA disks connected to the motherboard, and other time it's the SATA disks connected to a PCI-E RAID controller that are detected first. And of course the system doesn't boot in one case because root partition can't be mounted. Is there a way to force one module to be loaded first? And have a wait time for the second? |
| 22:41.38 | Lite- | .. |
| 22:41.40 | Lite- | Ask god. |
| 22:41.58 | regis1 | lol |
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| 22:43.31 | shaleh | gotta run |
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| 22:47.18 | gustavo | hi! can someone give a iptables basic rules? (for security) like anti-dos attack, ping of death... something like it? |
| 22:47.45 | Kamping_Kaiser | gustavo, look at debian-administration.org. they have some good guides there |
| 22:48.13 | gustavo | Kamping_Kaiser: but i dont have the time right now :( |
| 22:49.00 | Kamping_Kaiser | gustavo, its 09:18 :P |
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| 22:49.57 | Kamping_Kaiser | i think i'm funny, anyway :( |
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| 22:50.24 | nolimitsoya | would current debian be installable and bootable on a 486dx with 12mb of ram (diskspace a nonissue), or is there some other apt/.deb, highly modular and slim distro out there? (dsl hasnt got apt...) |
| 22:50.26 | petemc | gustavo: you think your debian machine is susceptible to 'ping of death'? you think you could do much with iptables to prevent a denial of service attack? |
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| 22:51.17 | petemc | nolimitsoya: thats not nearly enough ram for recent versions of debian |
| 22:51.19 | heatman | Hello. Ive installed Bery and Emerald Theme Manager. How can I select a theme that I have imported into Theme Manager? seems everything i do does not have any effect! |
| 22:51.23 | xand | nolimitsoya: I doubt that 12MB is enough ram... |
| 22:51.32 | nolimitsoya | petemc, so i suspected... |
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| 22:51.52 | Kamping_Kaiser | nolimitsoya, you'll need 64mb |
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| 22:53.04 | nolimitsoya | petemc, Kamping_Kaiser, xand, is it possible to trim the base install without killing to much functionality? a working package manager is all i need realy; i dont realy care about stuff like crondaemons, loggers and the like |
| 22:53.21 | kanzure | nolimitsoya: Try DSL. |
| 22:53.24 | metbsd | what is LVM, do i need it? |
| 22:53.31 | xand | !lvm |
| 22:53.32 | dpkg | [lvm] at http://dev.riseup.net/grimoire/storage/lvm2/, Logical Volume Manager for Linux, or ask me about <lvm_tutorial>, or extremely sexy. almost as sexy as Theo |
| 22:53.45 | kanzure | nolimitsoya: http://damnsmalllinux.org/ |
| 22:53.46 | Kamping_Kaiser | nolimitsoya, the dependancy system will bite you if you try and rmeove to much |
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| 22:53.58 | lambda | hi |
| 22:54.02 | nolimitsoya | kanzure, it falls short of the 'must have a packagemanager' spec |
| 22:54.02 | kanzure | no |
| 22:54.04 | metbsd | is lvm like raid? |
| 22:54.10 | lambda | i am stuck with a chroot |
| 22:54.28 | nolimitsoya | metbsd, sortofish |
| 22:54.30 | lambda | chroot /var/chroot |
| 22:54.34 | lambda | chroot: cannot run command `bash': Permission denied |
| 22:55.02 | lambda | any known issue for fixing this please ? |
| 22:55.12 | train` | lambda, you are not root? |
| 22:55.27 | train` | or chmod 755 /var/chroot/bin/bash |
| 22:55.31 | nolimitsoya | metbsd, it allows you fiddle with partitions in a convenient way, even after they have been created and filesystems written |
| 22:55.38 | lambda | i think the chroot executable bash is not dynamically linked.... |
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| 22:55.42 | Kamping_Kaiser | lambda, get root, or build a chroot that doesnt require root. or use schroot |
| 22:55.44 | lambda | train`, i am root |
| 22:56.09 | kanzure | you could su into any user that can access chroot |
| 22:57.25 | lambda | hm |
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| 22:58.13 | zmitya | hi al |
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| 22:58.15 | zmitya | all |
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| 22:58.39 | Kamping_Kaiser | hi |
| 22:58.43 | zmitya | how can I install a patch-o-matic extension on an etch |
| 22:58.51 | zmitya | do I need to compile iptables ? |
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| 22:59.56 | Monie | k. |
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| 23:01.05 | zmitya | Kamping_Kaiser: kernel patches for iptables |
| 23:01.20 | zmitya | I need string match in iptables |
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| 23:04.39 | metbsd | if i create fs without lvm, i cannot add lvm feature later? |
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| 23:05.58 | Mrdini | heya all.... |
| 23:06.47 | nolimitsoya | metbsd, true |
| 23:07.10 | Mrdini | recently I made a backup/clone of a HDD using tar cf - / | bzip2 -c | ssh xxx.com "cat > backup.tar.gz" |
| 23:07.34 | Mrdini | how could I now compare that with the HDD (I just want to be sure the baackup's ok before I wipe the HDD |
| 23:09.36 | nolimitsoya | Mrdini, i dont know, but i do know that i'd rather use rsync for such a backup and restoration... for just about any backup that is, and definetly every restoration :P |
| 23:10.10 | Mrdini | nolimits, this isn't really a backup per se - taking a server out of comission |
| 23:10.14 | nolimitsoya | Mrdini, one way would be to sling it out in a virtual machine. that way youll see if it boots |
| 23:10.48 | Mrdini | hmm.. I could but I don't really care if it boots or not (it's an _old_ server we don't need any more |
| 23:11.07 | Mrdini | just want to make sure the important user files ARE ok, that's all |
| 23:11.26 | Mrdini | i.e. mail files, /home/ stuff... |
| 23:11.38 | nolimitsoya | Mrdini, then i would still use the rsync method, but just for /home, and then compress it using lmza or something... |
| 23:11.56 | Mrdini | so really, I just want to ideally compare using hmm, md5 |
| 23:12.22 | Mrdini | nolimits, the backup's done though - a .tar.bz |
| 23:12.30 | nolimitsoya | Mrdini, i dont know if tar has a 'unpack but dont overwrite' option... |
| 23:12.45 | nolimitsoya | if it does, thatd be usefull |
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| 23:13.05 | Mrdini | nolimits, the tar.bz is on a remote server with oodles of space so not an issue |
| 23:13.15 | Mrdini | I'd prefer to avoid unpacking it though :P |
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| 23:13.32 | nolimitsoya | Mrdini, there you go then, unpack and do a dry run with rsync :) |
| 23:13.41 | Mrdini | nolimits, ah ha, hmm |
| 23:13.44 | nolimitsoya | if anythings off, itll tell you what it would have wanted to do |
| 23:13.52 | Mrdini | problem is - 18GB which'll take a while :P |
| 23:14.26 | nolimitsoya | Mrdini, theres no way you are getting out of the unpacking bit anyway. i dont think tar stores hashes for every file :P |
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| 23:14.30 | Mrdini | a tar -tjf gives me a 23MB text file :P |
| 23:14.35 | Mrdini | hmm... |
| 23:14.43 | Mrdini | oh well... |
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| 23:20.11 | creature | Hello. How can I find out what encryption there is between my computer and my wireless AP? |
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| 23:20.20 | adrakoa | hi |
| 23:20.29 | dalias | if you dont know.. :P |
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| 23:20.37 | dalias | there's prolly none :) |
| 23:20.48 | creature | dalias: I know what I've configured at the router end. |
| 23:20.53 | creature | But I want to know what the PC reports. |
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| 23:22.41 | karmatronic | creature: run airodump or kismet |
| 23:22.55 | karmatronic | creature: or simply iwconfig |
| 23:23.39 | creature | karmatronic: I'm not sure that iwconfig reports it, as I tried that and it doesn't seem to. |
| 23:24.07 | karmatronic | creature: i think it does... |
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| 23:24.28 | karmatronic | creature: but the other tools do |
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| 23:26.26 | kanzure | Argh! Even after apt-get update and upgrade, my x11proto-damage-dev is still not version 1.1. What do I do? Kamping_Kaiser ? Hmm.. and shaleh is gone. |
| 23:27.08 | Kamping_Kaiser | kanzure, you you tell me what your trying to do? |
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| 23:27.18 | ribasushi | hi |
| 23:27.19 | Eulex | kanzure, 1.1.0-2 is the newest version of that package in debian. |
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| 23:27.36 | ribasushi | what happened to the bitchx package? I just noticed it is pulled from both sid and testing |
| 23:27.41 | kanzure | Kamping_Kaiser: I am trying to get gtk working. So, to do this, I apparently need pkg-config to work for xdamage |
| 23:27.56 | Eulex | !wayc kanzure |
| 23:27.56 | dpkg | kanzure: Why are you compiling instead of using aptitude? |
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| 23:28.05 | kanzure | Eulex: I try to apt-get install that package, but it says the latest version is already installed. apt-cache policy tells me that I do *not* have the latest version installed. |
| 23:28.22 | kanzure | Eulex: I am compiling because I'm doing the simple Hello World gtk app :) |
| 23:28.30 | Eulex | kanzure, you have the lastest package in the release of debian you're using. |
| 23:28.36 | kanzure | I'm in testing |
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| 23:29.00 | Eulex | kanzure, testing has 2.12.1 |
| 23:29.06 | kanzure | uhh |
| 23:29.10 | kanzure | So what is going on ? |
| 23:29.36 | kanzure | E: Version '2.12.1' for 'x11proto-damage-dev' was not found. |
| 23:29.51 | Eulex | kanzure, 2.12.1 of _gtk_ |
| 23:30.13 | kanzure | Eulex: Ah, yeah, I have that installed. |
| 23:30.19 | Eulex | kanzure, to compile a gtk app, you should only need libgtk2.0-0, libgtk2.0-dev and build-essential. you do _not_ need to build all of gtk yourself. |
| 23:30.31 | kanzure | Eulex: I am not building gtk by myself |
| 23:31.20 | Eulex | kanzure, you're getting an error about xdamage when running ./configure for a simple gtk app? |
| 23:31.47 | kanzure | pkg-config --cflags --libs gtk+-2.0 (which I use for the gcc call) gives: Package 'Xdamage' requires damageproto >= 1.1 but version of DamageProto is 1.0.3 |
| 23:32.10 | kanzure | so, yes, Eulex |
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| 23:32.18 | kanzure | (except I'm not actually calling the configure script) |
| 23:32.41 | Eulex | kanzure, and you've got 1.1.0-2 of x11proto-damage-dev installed? |
| 23:33.18 | kanzure | Installed: 1:1.0.3-0ubuntu2 (I am *not* on Ubuntu). The "Version table" says that 1.1.0-2 exists but for some reason I can't install it. How can I ? |
| 23:33.36 | Eulex | eh |
| 23:33.49 | Mrdini | hmm.. wtf is this file (ls -l) - I can't delete it |
| 23:33.50 | Mrdini | ?--------- ? ? ? ? ? boot/padmin/.ssh/authorized_keys |
| 23:34.02 | azeem | Mrdini: that's file system corruption |
| 23:34.10 | azeem | Mrdini: unmount that partition and fsck it |
| 23:34.10 | Mrdini | I mean - I know what the file is, but never seen "?" in ls -l before |
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| 23:34.41 | Eulex | how did you get that 1:1.0.3-0ubuntu2 version of it? the package _originates_ from ubuntu in some way, at least. in any case, do an apt-get install x11proto-damage-dev=1.1.0-2 to install that package. |
| 23:35.11 | kanzure | "The following packages will be DOWNGRADED: x11proto-damage-dev" |
| 23:35.12 | kanzure | wtf? |
| 23:35.24 | Eulex | kanzure, the 1: prefix before the package version makes dpkg think that 1:1.0.3-0ubuntu2 is a newer version than 1.1.0-2, so you'll have to 'downgrade' it |
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| 23:35.30 | Mrdini | azeem, are you absolutely _positive_ on that? (I ask, as that came from a .tar.bz, and I'm more likely to think it's the original file in the tar.bz that was corrupt) |
| 23:35.39 | kanzure | Eulex: interesting. |
| 23:35.42 | Eulex | and I have NFI why it was used in this way; it shouldn't have been |
| 23:35.59 | azeem | Mrdini: so unpack the tar in /tmp or so, and check the file |
| 23:36.04 | kanzure | Eulex: Hurray! The program compiles. |
| 23:36.06 | kanzure | Eulex: Thank you, sir. |
| 23:36.36 | Mrdini | azeem, and then? I don't want to end up with ANOTHER file I can't rm |
| 23:36.57 | Eulex | it's to be used when the version number policy of a package changes, to prevent debian from not upgrading to a new version (for example, a package version goes from 5.0 to 2.0 or whatever, then the new version would be 1:2.0. well, just an example, and no likely one) |
| 23:37.02 | Eulex | kanzure, yw |
| 23:37.21 | Eulex | kanzure, and don't install random .deb packages downloaded from the net in the future ;) |
| 23:37.39 | kanzure | Eulex: But I truly never got it from the net. |
| 23:37.43 | azeem | Mrdini: I really don't think there's a way for tar to produce a file like that |
| 23:38.09 | azeem | Mrdini: but you can run tar in test and verbose mode and see what it says about that file |
| 23:38.46 | Mrdini | azeem, hmmm... *goes to find out how to untar a _specific_ file |
| 23:39.04 | azeem | Mrdini: why? |
| 23:39.20 | azeem | Mrdini: just run tar tzvf or so on the archive, and pipe to grep |
| 23:39.21 | Eulex | kanzure, debian packages do not have ubuntu suffixes. |
| 23:39.57 | azeem | !info update-manager lenny |
| 23:40.04 | dpkg | update-manager: (GNOME application that manages software updates), section gnome, is optional. Version: 0.42.2ubuntu22-15 (lenny), Packaged size: 325 kB, Installed size: 1028 kB |
| 23:40.10 | Tramp | Mrdini: The file above means you have no x-permission for the directory |
| 23:40.12 | azeem | ok, not a suffix |
| 23:40.17 | metbsd | how do i shutdown linux? |
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| 23:40.23 | metbsd | shutdown debian |
| 23:40.33 | Eulex | oh, hah, strange. |
| 23:40.40 | azeem | Tramp: what file above? |
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| 23:40.57 | Mrdini | Tramp, ah ha - that makes more sense |
| 23:40.59 | Tramp | azeem: the one with the "?" in the ls -l |
| 23:41.00 | Eulex | but anyway, _that_ package (x11proto-damage-dev) never had any such version in debian. but enough about that now. |
| 23:41.19 | azeem | Tramp: eh, are you sure? Did you check? |
| 23:41.31 | Mrdini | yeah, Tramp is correct *runs chmod* |
| 23:41.39 | azeem | what? |
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| 23:41.53 | azeem | if you don'd have x permissions, you'd getter a proper error message |
| 23:41.54 | Tramp | azeem: yes. You can check for yourself: just set only read but no "x" permission for a dir an ls -l |
| 23:42.12 | azeem | hrm, ok |
| 23:42.13 | Mrdini | heh, yeah - now I get a sane ls -l |
| 23:42.44 | Tramp | azeem: having no "x" is not an error. |
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| 23:43.18 | creature | OK, so I'm trying to confirm the kind of encryption between my PC and my wireless access point. kismet reports "Encrypt: WEP WPA PSK AES-CCM". Does that mean I'm using Wep, WPA, or what? It seems a bit... comprehensive. |
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| 23:43.49 | Tramp | creature: what does "iwlist <interface> auth" say? |
| 23:44.32 | creature | Tramp: http://pastebin.com/d5d36ffea |
| 23:44.57 | Mrdini | hmmm.... however, I still can't delete it despite me chmodding it to -rwxrwxrwx, & being the same user as said file |
| 23:45.09 | Tramp | creature: well, wpa2 looks good to me. |
| 23:45.14 | Mrdini | oohh, sec |
| 23:45.24 | Tramp | Mrdini: you need "w" for the dir to delete. |
| 23:45.41 | Mrdini | ah ha |
| 23:45.43 | Mrdini | yep |
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| 23:46.10 | nuxis | what was the command to check or direct rendering is enabled? |
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| 23:46.18 | nuxis | grep ..? |
| 23:46.35 | creature | Tramp: Awesome, thanks. |
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| 23:46.46 | Tramp | np |
| 23:47.03 | Eulex | nuxis, glxinfo|grep direct |
| 23:47.07 | nuxis | tnx |
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| 23:47.55 | Fjordside | how to show loaded modules? |
| 23:48.05 | Eulex | lsmod |
| 23:48.07 | nuxis | k nice just bought a new laptop acer aspire 5310 running perfect under debian also my video setthings are nice :) |
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| 23:49.41 | Mrdini | hmm, moving on, what's the "recommended" Debian wipe app? (if any) |
| 23:49.51 | nolimitsoya | Mrdini, shred? |
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| 23:50.11 | Mrdini | as there's confidential info we need to remove before taking server out of comission |
| 23:50.11 | nolimitsoya | Mrdini, unix standard issue :) |
| 23:50.26 | nolimitsoya | Mrdini, yes, thats what shred does alright... |
| 23:50.40 | Mrdini | hmm, that'd work :) |
| 23:50.41 | Fjordside | a good firewall solution with a webinterface? |
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| 23:50.57 | nolimitsoya | Mrdini, setting the number of passes somewhat lover than the standard 25ish or so might be agood idea though :P |
| 23:51.03 | nolimitsoya | Mrdini, itll still take a while |
| 23:51.24 | Fjordside | not that a webserver and firewall are good together :p |
| 23:51.27 | Tramp | Mrdini: Physically destroy the HD, if the information is really sensitive. |
| 23:51.32 | Mrdini | nolimits, I have time :P (a weekend) |
| 23:51.48 | nolimitsoya | Tramp, shreding it is just as good |
| 23:52.02 | Mrdini | Tramp, bit difficult :) it's a dedicated server so don't think we can exactly tell them "Can we destroy the HDD?" :P |
| 23:52.32 | Mrdini | that said, it's an 18GB HDD, so who knows - they might oblige :P |
| 23:52.40 | nolimitsoya | Mrdini, youd want blockdev access to the drive though... |
| 23:53.22 | nolimitsoya | Mrdini, something along the lines of shred -n 7 (or what ever is the command for setting passes) /dev/<harddrive> should do the trick :) |
| 23:53.40 | nolimitsoya | Mrdini, o/c, that cant be done from the root of the system being whiped :P |
| 23:54.08 | Mrdini | nolimits, that's ok - I know which stuff _must_ need wiping anyway |
| 23:54.20 | Mrdini | (i.e. emails & user data basically0 |
| 23:54.27 | Mrdini | the rest like /boot/ etc are fine |
| 23:54.38 | Zippy2 | dban |
| 23:54.43 | nolimitsoya | Mrdini, ah, but thats a definite nono. you _dont_ know the previous physical location of that data, see? ;) |
| 23:54.46 | Zippy2 | theres a beta for sata |
| 23:55.00 | Mrdini | & I notice shred will do files/directories i.e. not entire HDDs |
| 23:55.07 | nolimitsoya | Mrdini, you _must_ whipe the entire drive, including free space |
| 23:55.17 | nolimitsoya | Mrdini, if you point it to a blockdev, thats the same thing |
| 23:55.30 | Mrdini | Zippy, a bit difficult to use tools like DBAN as I don't have any 'other' ways of booting the server |
| 23:57.24 | Mrdini | nolimits, hmmm.... let me get this straight.. basically, I point shred at the same HDD as I'm booted from (let's say /dev/hda1), & once shred's completed, at that point, server's basically "dead" once rebooted? |
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| 23:57.36 | nolimitsoya | Mrdini, no, that wont work |
| 23:57.54 | Mrdini | (IIRC, Linux will happily erase a file/running app, & not actually erase it until that file is out of RAM) |
| 23:57.59 | nolimitsoya | Mrdini, you cant shred your root. thatd delete the files you are using for your root :P |
| 23:58.03 | *** join/#debian creature (n=creature@unaffiliated/creature) |
| 23:58.17 | nolimitsoya | Mrdini, this is not deleting files on a fs level, but a rather physical level... |
| 23:58.48 | Mrdini | nolimits, ah yeah, I'm not erasing references to blocks on HDD, I'm actually erasing the data |
| 23:58.56 | nolimitsoya | Mrdini, you could try building a ramdrive, and take refuge there for the shred... |
| 23:58.58 | nolimitsoya | Mrdini, yes |
| 23:59.01 | creature | OK, so I have convinced myself that my PC is using encryption between it and the wireless AP. But, the same thing (iwlist <interface> auth) reports that my laptop isn't! What gives? |
| 23:59.15 | Mrdini | hmm... ok, in this case, how can I somewhat securely shred a dedicated server? ramdisk? hmm |
| 23:59.19 | *** join/#debian virtualroot (n=virtualr@OL74-85.fibertel.com.ar) |
| 23:59.26 | nolimitsoya | Mrdini, thats what i just suggested ;) |
| 23:59.30 | nuxis | guys I have a wifi in my laptop but I can't find it under lspci how can I know my chipset ? |
| 23:59.49 | nolimitsoya | Mrdini, why would they need to be persistent? |
