| 00:00.01 | Mrdini | nolimits, I'd need to reboot using it, no? |
| 00:00.24 | Kamping_Kaiser | persistent ramdisk? isnt that an oxymoron? |
| 00:00.26 | nolimitsoya | Mrdini, hm... sure? what about chroot? the kernel is already in memory... |
| 00:00.35 | nolimitsoya | Kamping_Kaiser, something of the sorts, yes :P |
| 00:00.59 | Mrdini | Kamping, not quite - some OSes support persistent RAMdisks - MacOS did (not OS X) |
| 00:01.00 | Kamping_Kaiser | :P |
| 00:01.15 | nuxis | someone? |
| 00:01.16 | nolimitsoya | Mrdini, thats just setting it up again after rebooting. nothing persistent about it |
| 00:01.40 | nolimitsoya | nuxis, pick it out and read the label? |
| 00:01.54 | Mrdini | nolimits, hmm, yeah, googling (as never done anything remotely like that in *NIX before) |
| 00:01.55 | nolimitsoya | nuxis, still, if its not found by lspci, its not connected properly |
| 00:01.58 | nuxis | nolimitsoya: it's in the computer itself.. |
| 00:02.01 | nuxis | found it atheros |
| 00:02.20 | Kamping_Kaiser | nuxis, how did you find it (for reference) |
| 00:02.33 | nolimitsoya | | grep wifi ? :P |
| 00:02.57 | Tramp | nolimitsoya: no, shreding is not good enough. E.g. you cannot shred sectors remapped by the HD-FW. |
| 00:03.38 | nolimitsoya | Tramp, true, but you could always do a quick check to make sure none have ever been remappe d:) |
| 00:03.51 | Kamping_Kaiser | dban |
| 00:03.53 | Mrdini | Tramp, I daresay "shred" would be the best I can reasonably expect, given it's a dedicated hosting machine which we won't probably have physical access to |
| 00:04.05 | nolimitsoya | Tramp, doesnt smart let you see such things? |
| 00:04.06 | Kamping_Kaiser | oh, heh. |
| 00:04.07 | nuxis | Kamping_Kaiser: just googled it :) |
| 00:04.17 | corran | dban ~= shred |
| 00:04.18 | Kamping_Kaiser | nuxis, fair enough :) |
| 00:04.20 | creature | Tramp: OK, so I have convinced myself that my PC is using encryption between it and the wireless AP. But, the same thing (iwlist <interface> auth) reports that my laptop isn't. Any ideas why this would be? |
| 00:04.25 | Kamping_Kaiser | ~=? |
| 00:04.29 | nolimitsoya | corran, dban == shred |
| 00:04.32 | nuxis | someone know wich driver I need for atheros cards.. Think acx100 will not work |
| 00:04.48 | nolimitsoya | corran, and a dangerous version as well... |
| 00:04.56 | creature | wpa_supplicant is running, and if I kill it then the interface stops working, so it seems it is using WPA. But why isn't that reported? |
| 00:05.03 | corran | nolimitsoya: they aren't exactly equal, but very, very similar. |
| 00:05.30 | corran | nolimitsoya: I also think dban supports a the RCMP standard which shred doesn't |
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| 00:05.49 | nolimitsoya | corran, my understanding is that shred is whats used by dban (the packaged, bootable kit automatically launching shred on any blockdevs it can find and write to) |
| 00:05.56 | corran | nolimitsoya: no |
| 00:06.05 | corran | nolimitsoya: dban uses dwipe |
| 00:06.05 | nolimitsoya | corran, ah :) |
| 00:06.23 | Fjordside | a good firewall solution with a webinterface? |
| 00:06.36 | corran | Fjordside: linksys |
| 00:06.37 | Mrdini | I'm still at a bit of a loss as to how to create a ramdisk that I can work from, in order to shred my HDD (FWIW, I do have 2 HDDs in this machine - / and /boot) |
| 00:06.48 | Fjordside | for debian...... |
| 00:06.51 | Kamping_Kaiser | corran, fun :| |
| 00:06.58 | nolimitsoya | Mrdini, fantastic! that solves... just about everything :) |
| 00:07.05 | corran | Kamping_Kaiser: it is actually pretty nice |
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| 00:07.16 | nolimitsoya | Mrdini, no issues dealing with erasing the live kernel then : |
| 00:07.18 | nolimitsoya | *:) |
| 00:07.30 | Kamping_Kaiser | hehe |
| 00:07.44 | Kamping_Kaiser | corran, interesting. i just automatically assumed it would be ugly *grin* |
| 00:08.08 | nuxis | Someone know wich driver I need for an atheros card? |
| 00:08.12 | Mrdini | nolimitsoy, :P so are you saying that basically, in theory, I can copy shred to /boot, run from /boot, & it should "just work" |
| 00:08.16 | Kamping_Kaiser | !atheros |
| 00:08.16 | dpkg | madwifi is a driver for wireless devices with an Atheros chipset. More information is at http://madwifi.org/wiki/UserDocs/Distro/Debian. To install madwifi drivers built against Debian stock kernels, ask me about <madwifi-install>. No USB devices are supported. NOT for AR5007UG (aka AR2624/AR5524) chipsets, ask me about <zd1211rw> instead. |
| 00:08.24 | nuxis | k tnx |
| 00:08.43 | Tramp | nolimitsoya: yes, you can with smart. However, if the data is sensitive I would always physically destroy the HD, given it has a value of maybe 50EUR and your data may be worth a 4/5/6-figure |
| 00:08.54 | corran | Kamping_Kaiser: it is very nicely written to accept additions |
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| 00:09.22 | nolimitsoya | Mrdini, no, you should create a ramdrive, copy a minimal, working system inside - with shred and a working dev tree, chroot that system and launch a shell from there, run shred |
| 00:09.27 | Kamping_Kaiser | Tramp, which is fine, until your a computer recycing group who gets 150 computer with no hdd. |
| 00:09.31 | Kamping_Kaiser | :( |
| 00:09.39 | Kamping_Kaiser | corran, cool. |
| 00:09.50 | Mrdini | Tramp, I'll definitely be sure to ask - given it's an 18GB HDD, I have a feeling the dedicated hosting provider might say "Aw heck, ok, here you go" |
| 00:11.14 | corran | Kamping_Kaiser: as a semi-coder, I added two new wipes to the code in ~1hr including the obligatory wandering of the codebase |
| 00:11.20 | nolimitsoya | Mrdini, 18gb 10000rpm scsi drives wheres cheap back in the days ;) (18gb of 10000rpm scsi storage still isnt...) |
| 00:12.21 | Kamping_Kaiser | corran, wipes for a specific purpose, or just havving a hack? |
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| 00:13.58 | corran | Kamping_Kaiser: specific purpose |
| 00:14.46 | corran | so, why is evdev acting oddly in sid? |
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| 00:15.58 | corran | (a two tiered problem, first there is the error when using the device name, and now my workaround is causing the mouse to be trapped at the lower right side of quake3/et) |
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| 00:16.50 | corran | moving back to the /dev/input/mice config fixed the problem |
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| 00:18.04 | ptlis | How do I install a package without it's dependancys (I want to use a custom version of libgd2-xpm but use debian's php5-dg module) |
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| 00:18.12 | creature | OK, so I have convinced myself that my PC is using encryption between it and the wireless AP. But, the same thing (iwlist <interface> auth) reports that my laptop isn't! What gives? |
| 00:18.21 | Claudio32m | whats a good mp3 player i can get with apt-get? |
| 00:18.37 | Claudio32m | thinking of making one of my debian computers an mp3 box |
| 00:18.54 | corran | Claudio32m: mpd |
| 00:19.01 | Claudio32m | thanks i'll check it out |
| 00:19.15 | corran | Claudio32m: it is a daemon that other players use |
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| 00:19.57 | corran | so you can control it in a number of different ways, and have it icecast the stream to your reciever |
| 00:20.05 | Claudio32m | corram - yeah reading that now |
| 00:21.19 | Tramp | creature: out of curiosity, can you pastebin the output of iwlist auth and iwlist encryption of your laptop? |
| 00:23.08 | creature | Tramp: http://pastebin.com/d71a3efea |
| 00:23.23 | nuxis | Under windows you got everest (to see exaclty everything in you computer) is there a simular program for linux? |
| 00:23.40 | Kamping_Kaiser | everest? |
| 00:23.44 | Kamping_Kaiser | whats 'everything'? |
| 00:24.26 | corran | nuxis: lspci? ls? |
| 00:24.35 | nuxis | well what specs, processor, etc.. what driver you should need etc.. |
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| 00:24.42 | Tramp | creature: huh. weird. and your wpa_supplicant config is correct? |
| 00:24.53 | corran | nuxis: lspci does the hardware |
| 00:25.03 | Kamping_Kaiser | lshw -vv :) |
| 00:25.11 | nuxis | ok :) |
| 00:25.19 | creature | Tramp: as far as I know, yes. |
| 00:25.33 | creature | It's been working fine, and it looks fine. |
| 00:25.40 | jozu | hello |
| 00:25.43 | jozu | Somebody knows package files to configure an Ethernet console low, as netcardconfig |
| 00:25.48 | creature | I don't know if there's a wpa_supplicant "Can you parse this?" switch. |
| 00:26.00 | elmo40 | jozu: what do you mean 'low' ? |
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| 00:26.18 | jozu | under console, sorry |
| 00:26.21 | elmo40 | ifconfig eth1 <stuff> |
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| 00:26.28 | elmo40 | !ifconfig |
| 00:26.29 | dpkg | ifconfig is used to configure or view your machine's network interfaces. use the -a option to view all of them, or man ifconfig for more. see also <ifup>, <ifdown>, <man interfaces>, or <interfaces> |
| 00:26.30 | darkbahamut | hello everyone |
| 00:27.10 | Tramp | creature: I would either run wpa_supplicant in the foreground and check its output or try to sniff the network-traffic with e.g. kismet from your Desktop-PC. |
| 00:27.25 | darkbahamut | does anyone know how to edit /boot/grub/menu.lst for windows vista? somehow my menu.lst got messed up |
| 00:27.26 | jozu | yes, but i want gui |
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| 00:28.10 | jozu | the blue and red gui console :) |
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| 00:29.07 | Tramp | darkbahamut: iirc there is an example for XP in the grub-manual. And Vista is probably just the same |
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| 00:30.20 | creature | Tramp: what am I looking for in the output of wpa_supplicant? |
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| 00:31.31 | darkbahamut | brb |
| 00:32.07 | nuxis | guys I installed madwifi but can't see it running under lsmod |
| 00:32.37 | Tramp | creature: iirc it is quite verbose about what it does and tells you what it negotiates with the AP (maybe with -d for debugging) |
| 00:33.04 | creature | Tramp: It's told me it's associated with my AP. |
| 00:34.51 | Tramp | creature: well, and something about keys/ciphers/protocols? |
| 00:34.55 | creature | But iwlist <iface> auth still says it's open. |
| 00:36.29 | creature | WPA: key negotiation completed with <mac address> [PTK=CCMP GTK=CCMP]; CTRL-EVENT-CONNECTED - Connection to <mac address> completed (auth) [id=0 id_str=] |
| 00:37.31 | Mrdini | query - how do I tell if a machine has a CD ROM drive attached? (not in dmesg - it's long since scrolled off) |
| 00:37.42 | Mrdini | anything in /proc? |
| 00:37.51 | creature | Mrdini: You can get back entries in /var/log/dmesg ... |
| 00:38.12 | Decepticon | how do you kill a process that wont die with kill -9 |
| 00:38.22 | Mrdini | creature, ah ha! |
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| 00:38.53 | Kamping_Kaiser | Decepticon, try -15 |
| 00:39.00 | Tramp | !tell Decepticon about zombie |
| 00:39.01 | Kamping_Kaiser | -11 perhaps. |
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| 00:40.24 | Decepticon | none of those work, and it seems to be jamming my usb storage transfers (its a du process) |
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| 00:42.18 | elmo40 | jozu: gui is over rated ;) They are fronts for console anyways |
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| 00:49.43 | creature | Tramp: So, any ideas? |
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| 00:50.18 | justus | i'm installing a mailserver using this tutorial (http://workaround.org/articles/ispmail-etch) and everything went well until now except i get a lot of those messages in /var/log/mail.log: postfix/qmgr[26084]: warning: connect to transport dovecot: No such file or directory. |
| 00:50.36 | Mrdini | hmm, brain fart - what's the command to find out what libraries an app depends on? |
| 00:50.43 | justus | any idea what could be the reason for this warnings? |
| 00:50.58 | zythmer | Mrdini: ldd |
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| 00:51.25 | Mrdini | ah ha! ta |
| 00:52.00 | Tramp | creature: nope, sorry. |
| 00:53.17 | Nyle | !day |
| 00:53.17 | dpkg | day is probably 24 hours or 1,440 minutes or 86,400 seconds. |
| 00:53.32 | nuxis | I installed madwifi and etc.. but still can't see my card, do I need to do something for firmwire or ;s? |
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| 00:58.09 | nuxis | someone? |
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| 01:04.28 | crn | nuxis, it's not working? |
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| 01:06.39 | nuxis | crn: installed it like dpkg tell me to do but I can't see anything in iwconfig |
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| 01:07.03 | crn | nuxis, this has happened to me |
| 01:07.14 | nuxis | and you fixed it? |
| 01:07.42 | wols_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:08.04 | nuxis | eth0, lo and sit0 |
| 01:08.09 | crn | i compiled the madwifi driver from madwifi and that worked |
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| 01:08.19 | nuxis | mhh |
| 01:08.21 | wols_ | pastebin your dmesg output |
| 01:08.34 | nuxis | k sec with a grep or e everything? |
| 01:08.38 | Rickywh | what exactly is this line supposed to do? apt-get install libdb3++-dev |
| 01:09.31 | creature | It installs the dev headers for libdb3, Rickywh. |
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| 01:09.55 | Rickywh | why doesn't it work on my system> |
| 01:10.04 | nuxis | wols http://pastebin.com/m652176a9 |
| 01:10.08 | Rickywh | i had to erase the ++-dev portion to get it to work |
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| 01:10.10 | wols_ | !tell Rickywh about doesn't work |
| 01:10.12 | creature | I don't know, I'm not a mindreader. Do you get an error message? |
| 01:10.29 | Rickywh | yes |
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| 01:11.25 | Rickywh | Package libdb3++-dev is not available, but is referred to by another package. This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or is only available from another source E: Package libdb3++-dev has no installation candidate |
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| 01:12.06 | nuxis | Rickywh: try apt-cache search libdb3 and see or there is a correct name |
| 01:12.24 | crn | nuxis, the hasel with compiling from the madwifi distribution is that you have to recompile when you update the kernel (there are ways around this); the advantage is that all the functions (there are lots) work |
| 01:12.44 | wols_ | Rickywh: it's only in sarge. nothing in etch and later anymore |
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| 01:14.03 | nuxis | wols_: so you get something from the dmsg ? |
| 01:14.03 | wols_ | not a whole lot :( |
| 01:14.19 | nuxis | K I'm getting some help at #madwifi atm tnx for you help :) |
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| 01:18.29 | nuxis | k gonna compile the source, how do I remove the driver now? :s |
| 01:18.33 | TrueDD | Good night all |
| 01:18.48 | nuxis | night TrueDD |
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| 01:19.51 | nuxis | so how can I remove my drivers now ? |
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| 01:23.28 | wols_ | nuxis: man aptitude |
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| 01:24.14 | nuxis | oow so just remove the source :s |
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| 01:27.58 | r-wolf | which file contains a command that starts X when booting the system? I want to boot into console, so I need to comment the command, don't I? |
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| 01:28.28 | nuxis | no you just don't need gdm/kdm/xdm |
| 01:28.48 | nuxis | in xinit.* doesn't know the exact file name you can set wich wm you wanna use |
| 01:29.44 | thruxton | r-wolf: update-rc.d -f gdm remove (or whatever one you use, kdm etc etc) |
| 01:30.05 | r-wolf | thruxton: ok, thanks |
| 01:31.15 | Tramp | !nox |
| 01:31.15 | dpkg | Debian does not use a specific runlevel for graphical display managers by default. Just remove the dm package(s) with "apt-get remove xdm kdm wdm login.app gdm pdm". "update-rc.d -f xdm remove" and friends will also disable the dm until a package update is installed and the runlevel symlinks are restored.. NEWSFLASH! echo "false" >/etc/X11/default-display-manager, or a temporary solution is to hit ctl-alt-fN to get to a console |
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| 01:38.27 | Rprp | When i start apf iam getting this error message; 'hostname: invalid option -- s' and that like 10-15 times... Someone knows a solution? |
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| 01:40.31 | yassine | good evening * |
| 01:41.08 | yassine | im on etch and i have a small problem with trac and apache here are my configs : http://rafb.net/p/usEYJ861.html |
| 01:41.31 | yassine | when i request the url of the host i get the trac.cgi served but not executed |
| 01:41.42 | yassine | any idea what i could be missing please? |
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| 01:41.54 | Fangorn | hello world xD |
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| 01:46.46 | hikenboot | greetings ! when grub specifies the root (hd1,0) this means that the root partititon is on hd1 (second hard drive) and first partition on that hard drive right. Question is is it looking for the / directory or the /boot directory for this specification? |
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| 01:48.37 | Kamping_Kaiser | hikenboot, /root, if its seperate |
| 01:48.42 | ZEA | hello. where do /etc/init.d/* scripts log their messages when init is launching them? |
| 01:49.28 | Kamping_Kaiser | ZEA, depends on the program |
| 01:49.31 | Kamping_Kaiser | /var/log/* |
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| 01:50.01 | ZEA | Kamping_Kaiser: I was hoping for a more specific answer. I don't see logging configuration in /etc/inittab |
| 01:50.27 | Kamping_Kaiser | ZEA, why do you ask? |
| 01:50.40 | wols_ | there is no standard way to log. it always depends on the daemon started |
| 01:51.01 | Rprp | When i start apf iam getting this error message; 'hostname: invalid option -- s' and that like 10-15 times... Someone knows a solution? |
| 01:51.34 | ZEA | Kamping_Kaiser: most messages scroll out of view and I would like to take a look at them calmly |
| 01:51.58 | Kamping_Kaiser | ZEA, syslog and dmesg and messages, in /var/log are probably what you want |
| 01:52.04 | wols_ | Rprp: what is your hostname? |
| 01:52.15 | Rprp | wolffc: dedi262.pcextreme.nl |
| 01:52.25 | ZEA | Kamping_Kaiser: dmesg only shows kernel messages. I'll try messages |
| 01:52.39 | wols_ | that's no hostname |
| 01:53.12 | Rprp | wols_: 'hostname' says lol |
| 01:53.25 | Nyle | your hostname is lol |
| 01:53.26 | Nyle | ? |
| 01:53.26 | wols_ | did you misconfigure it? |
| 01:53.36 | wols_ | Rprp: you pasted a FQDN |
| 01:55.15 | Rprp | wols_: Yeah, But, What do you mean with; 'Whats your hostname'? when i type 'hostname' it says 'dedi262.pcextreme.nl' |
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| 01:56.18 | wols_ | Rprp: then fix it |
| 01:58.00 | ZEA | what is the best practice to prevent the loading of ipv6 module on startup? |
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| 01:58.15 | Nyle | !blacklist |
| 01:58.15 | dpkg | In etch, lenny and sid, create/edit /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist.local and add a line similar to this (without quotes): "blacklist module_name". IMPORTANT: ask about <blacklist-initramfs>. For sarge ask me about <blacklist sarge>. To blacklist a module at installation time, ask me about <installer blacklist>. |
| 01:58.23 | ZEA | or any other module, for that matter (regarding the modules that get loaded with the default debian kernel) |
| 01:58.41 | Nyle | hmm |
| 01:58.43 | Nyle | !installer blacklist |
| 01:58.44 | dpkg | To blacklist a kernel module while installing Debian, use the following boot parameter: module_name.blacklist=yes . This will blacklist the module during installation and after the system is installed (/etc/modprobe.d/blacklist.local will be created). |
| 01:58.50 | Nyle | oh |
| 01:58.52 | Nyle | that |
| 02:00.06 | ZEA | thanks Nyle |
| 02:00.12 | ZEA | !blacklist-initramfs |
| 02:00.13 | dpkg | blacklist-initramfs is probably If your kernel uses an initramfs image (most recent ones do), you need to run 'dpkg-reconfigure linux-image-$(uname -r)' in order to refresh its copy of blacklist table. Otherwise, early bootup won't follow your blacklist requests in e.g. /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist.local |
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| 02:03.39 | hikenboot | hello again in this http://feraga.com/node/94 how to are they improperly specifying the root (hd1,0) partition? |
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| 02:08.04 | wols_ | hikenboot: pastebin your menu.lst |
| 02:08.16 | wols_ | and your partitioning layout |
| 02:08.52 | nuxis | guys to let you know I fixed my driver for atheros |
| 02:09.02 | nuxis | I used ndiswrapper :) and it's working |
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| 02:12.19 | SteveDondley | ping: DawnLight |
| 02:12.25 | SteveDondley | ping: wols |
| 02:14.19 | wols_ | !tell SteveDondley about ask |
| 02:14.42 | SteveDondley | heh, yeah, got it working at about 4:45am! |
| 02:15.11 | SteveDondley | it was a combination of the readme file and then figuring out on my own that i had to do modprobe prism2_pci |
| 02:15.42 | nuxis | mhh can't see any networks can't scan either any idea's? |
| 02:15.45 | SteveDondley | I still suspect something is not quite right with how that driver gets installed |
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| 02:16.12 | SteveDondley | because when i do ifdown wlan0, the driver gets uninstalled, too. Is that supposed to happen? |
| 02:16.28 | nuxis | :| |
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| 02:16.54 | SteveDondley | and I have to do modprobe prism2_pci again before doing ifup wlan0 |
| 02:18.55 | hikenboot | wols http://pastebin.ca/796458 |
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| 02:23.25 | nuxis | damn I'm stupiid normal that it doesn't scan neet to enable wireless :) |
| 02:24.23 | diafic | Is there like, a lighter version of Compiz's expose feature I can use on a machine with much more modest specs? |
| 02:24.38 | diafic | or anything that provides that kind of functionality |
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| 02:26.32 | mick_work | alsaconf tells me that in testing/sid you should use udev to load the appropriate module (how the heck do i do that?) |
| 02:27.26 | Guerin | mick_work: echo modulename >> /etc/modules && reboot |
| 02:27.50 | mick_work | ok, how do i know what modulename to echo? |
| 02:28.05 | Guerin | you google your soundcard and alsa |
| 02:28.23 | mick_work | well it is onboard |
| 02:28.44 | mick_work | and dmesg doesn't complain about anything sound card related |
| 02:28.54 | hikenboot | wols_ http://pastebin.co/796458 |
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| 02:30.08 | Nyle | Guerin: hey |
| 02:30.50 | Nyle | Guerin: ping |
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| 02:41.24 | wols_ | hikenboot: you have not a single kernel in your menu.lst and expect it to load one? follow the howto you pasted better |
| 02:42.12 | Claudio32m | thanks to the guy who suggested mpd |
| 02:42.21 | Claudio32m | transfered couple hundred songs on the p3 |
| 02:42.26 | Claudio32m | good use for it |
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| 02:42.49 | sdubois92 | I have ubuntu on my laptop now, could someone convince me to put debian on |
| 02:42.53 | sdubois92 | i run debian on my desktop |
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| 02:43.13 | drc | why do you need someone to convince you |
| 02:43.17 | Kamping_Kaiser | ^^ |
| 02:43.22 | n838901 | hello all |
| 02:43.36 | n838901 | trying to install lenny from usb stick to a machine with no cdrom |
| 02:44.06 | n838901 | deb installer keeps complaining that it cant find cdrom, and that's as far as i can get |
| 02:44.25 | wols_ | a!tell n838901 about d-i |
| 02:44.35 | wols_ | and don't use a lenny installer |
| 02:44.40 | wols_ | !tell n838901 about d-i |
| 02:44.41 | n838901 | hmm |
| 02:44.58 | diafic | Time for bed. zzz |
| 02:45.10 | n838901 | that could very well be my problem |
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| 02:45.46 | n838901 | i got an eee pc and am scratching the default os and going with debian |
| 02:45.56 | h3sp4wn | n838901: good look with the wifi |
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| 02:46.28 | n838901 | well..i am going to use the kernel and modules pkgs from asus repo and just run "debian" with asus kernel |
| 02:46.38 | wols | h3sp4wn: the xandros it uses has wifi, so a driver must exist |
| 02:46.48 | n838901 | not to the public as of yet |
| 02:47.00 | n838901 | hopefully soon though |
| 02:47.03 | h3sp4wn | wols: I know a few people who have asked for it without success |
| 02:47.05 | n838901 | new atheros chipset |
| 02:47.23 | wols | h3sp4wn: isn't it a GPL violation? |
| 02:47.23 | n838901 | so for now, i'll just run the asus custom kernel |
| 02:47.40 | h3sp4wn | wols: That is what I said |
| 02:47.53 | sdubois92 | the eeepc doesnt run a regular debian kernel or standard linux kernel? |
| 02:48.23 | wols | sdubois92: it ships with a prprietary driver in the kernel for which no source is provided |
| 02:48.26 | n838901 | yes..but patched for atl ethernet and has builtin support for wifi |
| 02:48.38 | n838901 | ..what wols said :) |
| 02:48.47 | wols | atl isn't a problem. newer kernels have that by default IIRC |
| 02:48.52 | n838901 | ahh |
| 02:48.56 | n838901 | sweet |
| 02:48.56 | Enverex | What package is the command "arch" part of? |
| 02:49.05 | wols | !tell Enverex about search |
| 02:49.10 | n838901 | new wifi does work with ndiswrapper though |
| 02:49.21 | h3sp4wn | It is possible they will never release it though (broadcom never had to for their non-free wifi blob in e.g the wrt54g) |
| 02:49.37 | h3sp4wn | If it is based of the atheros sources not madwifi |
| 02:49.39 | n838901 | ahh..the famous wrt54g.. |
| 02:49.48 | n838901 | have one running dd-drt |
| 02:50.03 | h3sp4wn | remember madwifi is dual bsd / gpl licensed |
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| 02:50.09 | n838901 | how would i go about disabling logging in debian? |
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| 02:50.28 | wols | n838901: /etc/syslog.conf |
| 02:50.39 | n838901 | have been a linux user/admin for years, but am new to debian and i love it |
| 02:50.49 | wols | just read a howto about debian on a usb stick |
| 02:50.54 | n838901 | i learned linux with slackware, and that is what i have used for years |
| 02:51.07 | n838901 | but am a debian guy now :) |
| 02:51.20 | n838901 | the whole /etc structure is different |
| 02:51.40 | h3sp4wn | bsd as apposed to sysv |
| 02:52.05 | Enverex | wols, Doesn't help, too many things have "arch" in a filename |
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| 02:52.34 | wols | Enverex: bin/arch since it's a command |
| 02:52.38 | n838901 | for this asus..have to disable logging, use a non journaling filesystem, and add 'noatime' in fstab |
| 02:52.38 | cerros | ddl |
| 02:52.47 | n838901 | to save on writes to ssd |
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| 02:53.09 | wols | n838901: all things you have to do for debian on usb stick too. same thing |
| 02:53.17 | n838901 | hmm |
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| 02:53.36 | n838901 | debian on usb period is new to me |
| 02:53.51 | n838901 | i just learned how to manually create a bootable usb install media |
| 02:54.04 | h3sp4wn | using syslinux ? |
| 02:54.09 | n838901 | but apparently, i need to use etch .iso instead of lenny |
| 02:54.14 | n838901 | yes, with syslinux |
| 02:54.28 | wols | you can alwaays upgrade to lenny later |
| 02:54.55 | n838901 | i found one prob doing that on another laptop..have to maually disable/enable wireless for wifi to work |
| 02:55.09 | n838901 | after every boot |
| 02:56.55 | n838901 | i am loving debian so far |
| 02:57.07 | sdubois92 | has anyone been sued over a GPL violation? |
| 02:57.14 | n838901 | finally got beryl running on it on this laptop |
| 02:57.53 | n838901 | tried compiz fusion, but it didnt have the gui dialog for config |
| 02:57.55 | mick_work | sdubois92: yes, i believe so |
| 02:57.58 | n838901 | ..or at least i didnt see it |
| 02:59.45 | wols | astro76: yes |
| 03:00.06 | wols | mainly router makers that use busybox or netfilter coed without providing source |
| 03:00.45 | Tabakhase | pusybox? Ist die von Playboy? |
| 03:02.09 | Tabakhase | <- afk |
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| 03:04.20 | n838901 | thanx for the help also guys |
| 03:04.54 | n838901 | another thing i'm not used to in debian is how services are handled |
| 03:05.19 | n838901 | in slack, you just edit permissions of the rc file in etc/rc.d |
| 03:05.39 | n838901 | still getting familiar with runlevels |
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| 03:08.56 | wols | !sysvinit |
| 03:08.56 | dpkg | well, sysvinit is zless /usr/share/doc/sysvinit/README.runlevels.gz. In Debian Lenny and beyond it's /usr/share/doc/sysv-rc/README.runlevels.gz |
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| 03:18.12 | Azar | hello honorables! |
| 03:18.43 | Tramp | nikosapi: you checked the manpage, did you? |
| 03:19.31 | nikosapi | Tramp: yeah |
| 03:20.23 | Tramp | nikosapi: host <bunch of options> {name} [server] - what exactly confuses you? |
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| 03:21.45 | nikosapi | Tramp: haha, I looked through all the switches, not the arguments :P Thanks a lot. |
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| 03:22.57 | n838901 | usb install still not working even with etch |
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| 03:28.28 | Rickywh | is installing using apt-get install libdb3 the same as apt-get libdb3++-dev the same thing> |
| 03:28.30 | Rickywh | ? |
| 03:28.51 | Rickywh | i meant apt-get install on both of those |
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| 03:32.29 | DawnLight | SteveDondley: ping |
| 03:32.51 | SteveDondley | hey, just wanted to let you know I got it working |
| 03:33.05 | SteveDondley | thanks for your help |
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| 03:33.10 | DawnLight | SteveDondley: good, what was the problem |
| 03:33.14 | SteveDondley | the readme helped a lot |
| 03:33.19 | SteveDondley | but even that wasn't enough |
| 03:33.30 | SteveDondley | I had to issue a modprobe prism2_pci |
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| 03:33.41 | SteveDondley | that did it |
| 03:33.49 | dutchfish | why is gksu triggering so much wakeups, in kernel 2.6.22-3, is this normal? (cfs used)? |
| 03:34.11 | DawnLight | SteveDondley: so you put prism2_pci in /etc/modules? |
| 03:34.20 | SteveDondley | DawnLight: yeah |
| 03:34.26 | SteveDondley | but something weird still happens |
| 03:34.33 | DawnLight | SteveDondley: it was that prism2_pci wasn't loaded? |
| 03:34.38 | SteveDondley | when I do ifdown wlan0, the driver gets uninstalled, too |
| 03:34.57 | SteveDondley | DawnLight: it was that and I didn't have it the config file set up |
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| 03:35.47 | DawnLight | SteveDondley: ah it needs a config file... what documentation got you understanding this? |
| 03:36.35 | SteveDondley | then one you pointed me too |
| 03:36.52 | nuxis | how can I check my alsa version? |
| 03:36.58 | sander_ | Hi. I've just recovered a raid1 mdadm array.. on 2x1tb.. /proc/mdstat gives a progressbar.. but the progressbar resets itself.. does that mean the disk its copying from is broken? |
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| 03:37.25 | SteveDondley | it's not really a config file, it's a file that installs the right driver |
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| 03:38.21 | dutchfish | shouldnt this be fixed in 2.6.20-3: http://bughost.org/pipermail/power/2007-May/000195.html ? |
| 03:38.24 | DawnLight | SteveDondley: the readme? i'd like to add a factoid to dpkg to help prevent future confusions. you want to do that? |
| 03:38.31 | nuxis | alsa version? |
| 03:38.49 | SteveDondley | yeah |
| 03:39.58 | SteveDondley | i'd like to help |
| 03:40.09 | DawnLight | SteveDondley: '/msg dpkg <factoid> is <blah blah blah>' |
| 03:40.11 | dutchfish | sander_, it means the disks are used and need to resync |
| 03:40.11 | nuxis | how can I check the alsa version? |
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| 03:40.26 | SteveDondley | don't follow |
| 03:40.29 | calamari | hi |
| 03:41.11 | calamari | anyone installed debian on an old-world powermac? it is rejecting my boot disks, and CD's.. can't boot except for the hard drive os 8.6 |
| 03:41.15 | weld | hi, i'm looking for a way to convert real media (audio) files to ogg. Any idea? |
| 03:41.42 | weld | how to get *.wav from *.rm? |
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| 03:41.52 | dutchfish | sander_, if the disk are in a good state (check with smartmon) they will catchup to to point where they where resest pretty fast |
| 03:42.19 | calamari | weld: well, mplayer can get you from .rm to .wav at least.. then I'm sure you can get from there to ogg |
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| 03:43.01 | weld | calamari: yes wav to ogg is no, but how to use mplayer to get wav from wav? |
| 03:43.15 | weld | sorry *wav from *rm |
| 03:43.50 | calamari | weld: rm to wav |
| 03:44.07 | weld | yes, sorry agein, it's late :) |
| 03:44.07 | calamari | weld: then, wav to ogg |
| 03:44.15 | nuxis | in godsake nevermind |
| 03:44.25 | calamari | weld: mencoder might even be able to do rm to ogg .. but I haven't tried it |
| 03:44.26 | weld | yes |
| 03:44.33 | sander_ | dutchfish, the disk got theese errors: http://frekk.linux.dk/smart_sdb_error.txt |
| 03:45.21 | weld | it's a realy ugly case of a german radio station offering such nasty formats like rm instad of free ones like ogg :\ |
| 03:45.40 | DawnLight | SteveDondley_: private message dpkg. tell it something like 'prism2 is aptitude install this and that and read the readme in /usr/share/doc' |
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| 03:46.21 | calamari | weld: mplayer filename.rm -vc null -vo null -ao pcm:waveheader:file=filename.wav |
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| 03:46.41 | SteveDondley_ | DawnLight: oh, I gotcha |
| 03:46.42 | piecesandbits | nuxis, synaptic? |
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| 03:46.57 | nuxis | piecesandbits: nevermind I found it in /proc/asound |
| 03:47.01 | SteveDondley_ | then you can do like !tell |
| 03:47.58 | Azar | innovative hardware! http://img.worsethanfailure.com/images/200711/error'd/retard-rubber.jpg |
| 03:48.31 | DawnLight | SteveDondley_: right. !tell me when you're done. btw, reading /usr/share/doc/<package> is good normal procedure after installation |
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| 03:48.41 | weld | calamari: Works! Thanks a lot! |
| 03:48.45 | DawnLight | SteveDondley_: at least the README.Debian file |
| 03:48.48 | calamari | weld: yw |
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| 03:49.00 | SteveDondley_ | DawnLight: yeah, but I didn't even no where to look for that doc |
| 03:49.39 | SteveDondley_ | I've discovered that unless you deal with debian all the time, it's almost impossible to figure out |
| 03:49.51 | JordiGH | Wow, I'm lagged. |
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| 03:52.04 | JordiGH | SteveDondley_: Debian has release notes and many, almost all Debian packages have a README.Debian file in /usr/share/doc. When you log in to a tty, you get a MOTD that tells you to go look in /usr/share/doc for those files. Maybe you'd like that MOTD to display whenever you open a terminal in X too? |
| 03:52.29 | JordiGH | SteveDondley_: That being said, if you can think of a better way to inform users that docs are in /usr/share/doc, then I'm curious to hear your ideas. |
| 03:52.35 | dutchfish | sander_, is far as i can see nothing to worry about. However is suspect power failures or disruption? |
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| 03:53.46 | dutchfish | sander_, and you can judge by the age of the disk if replacement is eminent ... |
| 03:54.01 | DawnLight | JordiGH: during installation/after it. or putting something in skel |
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| 03:54.24 | nasshi | can anyone recommend a good howto for setting up a wireless connection on debian? |
| 03:54.56 | JordiGH | DawnLight: What should go in skel? All of /usr/share/doc? :-) And you want the README.Debian to display for each package you install? |
| 03:55.32 | DawnLight | JordiGH: just a notice |
| 03:55.48 | JordiGH | DawnLight: dpkg should display what kind of notice? |
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| 03:56.10 | sander_ | dutchfish, the disk is totally new |
| 03:56.31 | JordiGH | DawnLight: Or maybe apt should say, "remember that docs are in /usr/share/doc" each time it completes a successful install? |
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| 03:57.13 | SteveDondley_ | JordiGH: there needs to be a debian for linux idiots |
| 03:57.16 | JordiGH | DawnLight: Maybe the graphical frontends to apt should pop up a nag dialogue with a "don't show again" tickbox? |
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| 03:57.28 | JordiGH | SteveDondley_: That's arguably what Ubuntu is. :-) |
| 03:57.53 | SteveDondley_ | but I mean there needs to be something that explains the big picture |
| 03:57.57 | dutchfish | sander_, in that case contact your seller, it shouldnt happen so soon, its a strong indication that it will break before normal mbtf |
| 03:58.03 | SteveDondley_ | what a package is, how to install them, etc |
| 03:58.30 | wols | nasshi: what WLAN chip? |
| 03:58.42 | nasshi | wols: that's the problem. i don't even know that :) |
| 03:58.43 | JordiGH | SteveDondley_: The release docs do that. And you get told during download and install to go read release notes. There's pointers all the time to where read documentation. |
| 03:58.48 | SteveDondley_ | I've read a lot of the help on debian.org, but still, I don't think it really explains it that well |
| 03:58.48 | DawnLight | put a notice in skel that debian is a linux distro and for human beings there's ubuntu |
| 03:58.57 | wols | nasshi: then find out |
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| 03:59.15 | SteveDondley_ | yeah, but how do I know it's going to /usr/share/doc? |
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| 03:59.21 | nasshi | wols: is there any easy way to do that from a term? |
| 03:59.22 | JordiGH | DawnLight: I'm not sure what you mean by "a notice in skel". You want a doc to show up in every user's desktop? |
| 03:59.31 | Azar | SteveDondley_: there is one but is not called like that: your only duty is to practice with it |
| 03:59.39 | JordiGH | DawnLight: That wouold still require users to read docs. :-) |
| 03:59.42 | DawnLight | yes, thats it |
| 03:59.42 | wols | SteveDondley_: you read the documentation of debian BEFORE you act. debian has a nice handbook on the website |
| 04:00.00 | SteveDondley_ | wols: yeah, I've read good chunks of it |
| 04:00.07 | SteveDondley_ | the problem is, I'm a casual user |
| 04:00.25 | SteveDondley_ | no way for me to keep all that stuff in my head unless I use it frequently |
| 04:00.26 | wols | nasshi: how is the WLAN connected to your PC? |
| 04:00.30 | Azar | SteveDondley_: http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/user/index.html#contents < stay in a terminal for a while and practice |
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| 04:00.44 | dutchfish | why is gksu triggering so much wakeups, in kernel 2.6.22-3, is this normal? (cfs used)? shouldnt this be fixed in 2.6.22-3: http://bughost.org/pipermail/power/2007-May/000195.html ? |
| 04:00.46 | JordiGH | DawnLight: Perhaps an "about Debian" doc with html links to other intro docs on users' desktops could be a good idea. |
| 04:00.47 | nasshi | wols: it's a mini-pci card. |
| 04:00.59 | wols | nasshi: lspci |
| 04:01.20 | Azar | JordiGH: a granny can handle a desktop, that's not where a new user starts |
| 04:01.43 | JordiGH | Azar: If there is no desktop, then there's a tty with a motd to go look in /usr/share/doc. I think we've got that base covered. |
| 04:01.59 | SteveDondley_ | and like last night, someone tells me to run m-a i-m linux-wlan-ng. I'm like, wtf is that? |
| 04:02.06 | SteveDondley_ | never seen m-a before |
| 04:02.11 | Azar | JordiGH: not necessarily, hands on practice is more adequate |
| 04:02.41 | Azar | SteveDondley_: grab that link and start practicing |
| 04:02.44 | nasshi | wols: okay, i found out it's an Atheros AR5212. should i just google that chip + "linux setup"? |
| 04:02.51 | SteveDondley_ | I guess what I'm saying is that for casual users, debian is a bitch, but you guys probably already knew that |
| 04:02.55 | wols | !tell nasshi about madwifi |
| 04:02.55 | JordiGH | SteveDondley_: Debian has philosophical issues to make it more difficult than Ubuntu to install non-free things, such as wireless. |
| 04:03.02 | wols | nasshi: no |
| 04:03.07 | JordiGH | Well, *most* wireless. |
| 04:03.31 | SteveDondley_ | JordiGH: yeah, in fact, I went with debian because it's a little more hard core purist |
| 04:03.34 | nasshi | wols: great. thank you very much for your help. |
| 04:03.51 | SteveDondley_ | I'm not a purist, but I try to be as much as practical for me |
| 04:03.59 | JordiGH | Azar: "Not necessarily" what? Having a motd to go look in /usr/share/doc doesn't cover giving enough information in case there is no desktop? |
| 04:04.09 | SteveDondley_ | and I like using debian because I like the philosophy behind it |
| 04:04.10 | Azar | SteveDondley_: some drivers or kernels are compiled by the "administrator" which is you. Debian has several tools that make compiling easier |
| 04:04.23 | JordiGH | SteveDondley_: Anyways, I walked in the middle of the conversation. Why did you want to go look in /usr/share/doc anyways? |
| 04:04.40 | SteveDondley_ | last night I had a hell of a time getting linux-wlan-ng |
| 04:04.59 | Azar | JordiGH: I got it, it is not my business to interfere in your private convo, it will not happen again |
| 04:05.01 | JordiGH | SteveDondley_: And yeah, Debian generally assumes that it has a smart admin and dumb users. It's a modern phenomenon that most modern users are also admins. |
| 04:05.04 | SteveDondley_ | that's another thing I always think about: how hard is it to write a driver? how many hours of labor? |
| 04:05.20 | nuxis | SteveDondley_: many hours :) |
| 04:05.32 | SteveDondley_ | like 100? |
| 04:05.35 | JordiGH | Azar: No, I honestly didn't understand what you referred to when you said "not necessarily'. :-) |
| 04:05.40 | SteveDondley_ | I can't imagine what's involved |
| 04:05.41 | nuxis | more I think :) |
| 04:05.50 | SteveDondley_ | 300? |
| 04:05.52 | Kamping_Kaiser | SteveDondley_, depends what the drivers for. but 'lots' is an understaement |
| 04:05.52 | dalias | the problem is not so much writing as reverse engineering |
| 04:06.02 | wols | SteveDondley_: no hard figures. depends mainly on the device |
| 04:06.04 | JordiGH | SteveDondley_: Remember that many, most of the Linux drivers involve reverse engineering, which is *very* hard work. |
| 04:06.05 | wols | and your skill |
| 04:06.13 | manu_hack | hi, all of a sudden my clock is 5 hours ahead, I'm using ntp, before the time was right, what could be wrong? |
| 04:06.26 | dalias | if the kernel's abstraction for the type of device is good, writing a driver for a well-documented device should take less than 3 hours |
| 04:06.32 | JordiGH | manu_hack: timezone issues? |
| 04:06.36 | SteveDondley_ | yeah, I learned a little c out of curiousity, can't imaging having to keep track of memory and all that, I would go insane |
| 04:06.40 | dalias | however linux's abstraction generally sucks or is nonexistant |
| 04:06.42 | Azar | manu_hack: did you moved to another country? :) |
| 04:06.46 | manu_hack | JordiGH: I didn't change |
| 04:06.48 | dutchfish | manu_hack, tzconfig ? |
| 04:07.02 | nuxis | dutchfish, belgium or the netherlands? |
| 04:07.03 | SteveDondley_ | I would love to learn to be a hacker but alas, no time |
| 04:07.04 | wols | SteveDondley_: that has nothing to do with driver programming. if you program in C, you keep track of memory used, period |
| 04:07.21 | sdubois92 | im installing on a macbook and it asked to installed GRUB, but i cancelled that and am now at the main menu. should i choose continue without bootloader? |
| 04:07.22 | manu_hack | ah, I remember an update contains tzdata, would that be the problem? |
| 04:07.31 | dutchfish | nuxis, netherlands but that doe snot really mather ;) |
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| 04:07.38 | SteveDondley_ | wols: yeah, I was changing the subject a little away from driver writing and more to kernel hacking |
| 04:07.41 | dalias | wols, not necessarily |
| 04:07.41 | nuxis | dutchfish: I'm from belgium :-) |
| 04:07.49 | dalias | jordigh, c++ has more memory to keep track of, not less |
| 04:08.02 | JordiGH | sdubois92: Does Apple provide a boot loader that will know how to boot Debian? |
| 04:08.15 | SteveDondley_ | it's all fun stuff to think about |
| 04:08.28 | SteveDondley_ | I wish I new more about what was under the hood with things |
| 04:08.30 | sdubois92 | I have rEFIt installed |
| 04:08.35 | nuxis | JordiGH: I think you just need to install grub, grub will find mac I suppose |
| 04:08.43 | sdubois92 | which picked up on Ubuntu when i installed the bootloader |
| 04:08.43 | JordiGH | dalias: Huh? Is this one of those "C++ is inefficient" lines of attack? Because all I'm saying is that C++ has more levels of abstraction to automatically handle memory for you. :-) |
| 04:09.02 | nuxis | SteveDondley_: hacking is learning so in fact everyone who is involved in linux is a hacker because they wanna learn more and more |
| 04:09.15 | JordiGH | sdubois92: So I guess you have another boot loader that works. If it picked up Ubuntu, there's good chance it will pick up Debian. |
| 04:09.18 | dalias | jordigh, a well-designed (by c++ standards) program uses a lot more dynamically-allocated memory |
| 04:09.38 | SteveDondley_ | nuxis: right |
| 04:09.57 | JordiGH | dalias: I invite you to continue this discussion in ##c++ and be flamed to death. ;-) |
| 04:10.38 | hardcampa | C++ roolez |
| 04:10.42 | hardcampa | ok point made |
| 04:10.43 | dalias | any of it that's allocated as part of automatic-storage objects will be freed by the destructor when the object goes out of scope, yes |
| 04:10.46 | hardcampa | =) |
| 04:10.52 | manu_hack | I just rerun tzselect, but my clock is still using the universal time instead of local time |
| 04:10.58 | dalias | but nonetheless a lot more of it's in use at any given time |
| 04:11.21 | SteveDondley_ | in the car today, I was thinking about how I'd like to spend several hours asking questions of a debian package maintainer and writing about the whole process |
| 04:11.28 | nuxis | mhh someone has a good wm for me : I need to control everything with my keyboard but I also want a nice graphical interface so wmmi is nice but not so graphical (tried blackbox,, nothing for me) |
| 04:11.55 | JordiGH | nuxis: stew was working on such a wm, iirc. |
| 04:11.57 | SteveDondley_ | I would learn a lot myself and write a document for people like me who are more casual users and don't really understand some of the basic nuts and bolts |
| 04:12.07 | nuxis | oooooow :-) |
| 04:12.17 | nuxis | stew: tell me more about it :-) |
| 04:12.29 | Azar | nuxis: openbox |
| 04:12.30 | Nyle | hm |
| 04:12.36 | Azar | misterrr Nyle! |
| 04:12.38 | Nyle | hi |
| 04:12.52 | JordiGH | Azar: What was stew's wm? |
| 04:13.16 | Azar | the latest openbox release makes your mouth watery |
| 04:13.20 | nuxis | tnx Azar will try that |
| 04:13.28 | Nyle | Azar: how come |
| 04:13.33 | JordiGH | !tritium |
| 04:13.45 | Azar | Nyle: since it looks so cool and I can't have it, yes |
| 04:13.52 | SteveDondley_ | DawnLight: ok, going to write this tell doc |
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| 04:14.14 | nuxis | I like wmii tooooo much :( MOD + p gives you a full list of all programs :p |
| 04:14.22 | JordiGH | !info tritium |
| 04:14.38 | JordiGH | Does dpkg search in experimental? |
| 04:14.55 | JordiGH | The chanbot, not the actual package manager. |
| 04:15.26 | Azar | Nyle: I am having the leftover wursht from thanksgiving |
| 04:15.31 | SteveDondley_ | !tell linux-wlan-ng |
| 04:15.38 | manu_hack | in my /etc/default/rcS, I have UTC=no, but my time is still using UTC instead of local ... |
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| 04:16.08 | nuxis | brb switch to open box |
| 04:16.19 | JordiGH | manu_hack: Does your box reboot into Windows? |
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| 04:16.51 | manu_hack | JordiGH: my laptop is Windows free, only Debian sitting there |
| 04:17.10 | SteveDondley_ | DawnLight: am I going to be able to edit this !tell doc if I make a mistake in it? |
| 04:17.52 | JordiGH | manu_hack: Hm, and does "date" say you're using UTC? |
| 04:18.19 | manu_hack | JordiGH: yes ... |
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| 04:18.32 | manu_hack | yesterday it was not like this |
| 04:18.43 | JordiGH | manu_hack: So you're using sid, perhaps/ |
| 04:18.43 | JordiGH | ? |
| 04:18.51 | Azar | manu_hack: http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/system-administrator/ch-sysadmin-time.html |
| 04:18.52 | manu_hack | JordiGH: that's true |
| 04:19.08 | JordiGH | manu_hack: So some update broke tzconfig, I guess. :-/ |
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| 04:20.10 | manu_hack | JordiGH: maybe, now need to do some work |
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| 04:20.44 | JordiGH | manu_hack: /etc/timezone is correct? |
| 04:21.22 | streuner | JordiGH: tzconfig isnt in testing or unstable anymore... |
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| 04:21.40 | JordiGH | streuner: You don't say. |
| 04:21.51 | JordiGH | tzselect |
| 04:22.02 | nuxis | nice but I stick with wmii Azar :-) |
| 04:22.13 | manu_hack | JordiGH: I don't have that file !! |
| 04:22.28 | manu_hack | neither the command tzconfig (with sudo) |
| 04:22.36 | streuner | manu_hack: What does 'dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1' say? |
| 04:22.52 | JordiGH | manu_hack: tzselect |
| 04:22.56 | nuxis | ow yea,, in wmii I can't see my batery state is there a simple program to see that in the terminal? |
| 04:23.03 | manu_hack | ii libc6 2.7-1 GNU C Library: Shared libraries |
| 04:23.12 | streuner | !listvals tzconfig |
| 04:23.14 | dpkg | Factoid search of 'tzconfig' by value (6): timezone ;; setting time ;; set time ;; est ;; dst change ;; ntp. |
| 04:23.19 | manu_hack | JordiGH: I just did tzselect |
| 04:23.29 | JordiGH | nuxis: stew's wm: http://tritium.vireo.org/tritium.png |
| 04:23.52 | nuxis | that is nice!! |
| 04:24.06 | Azar | nuxis: not sure about battery ever tried Gkrellm? |
| 04:24.28 | JordiGH | nuxis: It's highly alpha, unfortunately. |
| 04:24.50 | nuxis | well that is the stuff I'm searching for a while |
| 04:25.02 | nuxis | Azar: will check it out |
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| 04:25.22 | Azar | nuxis: is nice... I use the old version don't know if there is a newer version |
| 04:25.45 | JordiGH | nuxis: tritium is a ripoff of some other wm I presently forget that stew forked/reimplemented because the author of the other wm went bonkers. |
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| 04:25.57 | JordiGH | n3, I think. Is that a wm? |
| 04:25.59 | streuner | !set time |
| 04:25.59 | dpkg | To set the time in debian, use date --set. The truly enlightened user, however, will install ntp and adjtimex to have their clock set automatically on reboot and slewed to match time servers. You may also need to run tzconfig (sarge, etch), dpkg-reconfigure tzdata (lenny, sid), and make sure you have the right UTC setting in /etc/default/rcS first. |
| 04:26.00 | nuxis | :-( mhh |
| 04:26.15 | tvn81 | what's the different between xen and other vm's like vmware ? |
| 04:26.16 | manu_hack | ok, dpkg-reconfigure tzdata does the job, from man tzselect, thx JordiGH |
| 04:26.21 | nuxis | Azar: nice :-) will add it in my startup script from wmii |
| 04:26.55 | JordiGH | I've never understood how time servers work taking into account ping times. |
| 04:27.06 | Azar | nuxis: yes it has: APM laptop battery meter with a configurable alarm and warning for low battery time left. |
| 04:27.10 | JordiGH | We have inexact time the world over! |
| 04:27.18 | nuxis | yea pretty nice |
| 04:27.26 | Azar | nuxis: I keep it on the desktop |
| 04:27.33 | JordiGH | Or, I guess you know what the ping is, so you can factor that in to the time the server gives, duh. |
| 04:27.44 | Azar | well, not desktop but on my "wallpaper" |
| 04:27.54 | JordiGH | But pings are roundtrips, oh, I'm thinking too much about this. |
| 04:28.32 | Azar | and nuxis ... openbox is nicer and more scriptable |
| 04:29.14 | nuxis | Azar: maybe but I don't like the idea to right click and search for a program |
| 04:29.35 | JordiGH | Ah, ion3 is what stew is trying to replace with tritium. |
| 04:29.43 | Azar | nuxis: you know what cracked me up about gkrellm? taking snapshots |
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| 04:30.11 | nuxis | cracked you up like wonderd me or you hate it? |
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| 04:30.46 | nuxis | ow ion3 I try that and it's nice too my mate helped developing that wm :-) |
| 04:31.00 | Azar | nuxis: like wow, look ma I can take pics of my screen |
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| 04:31.06 | nuxis | oow :p |
| 04:31.26 | JordiGH | nuxis: Valkonen is the aforementioned author who went bananas. |
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| 04:32.20 | nuxis | well I hope stew keeps developing tritium :> |
| 04:32.29 | VulcanRidr | Anybody using git? |
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| 04:32.48 | nuxis | my new laptop is running fine now :), I started it and say HOWLY *** winshit vista :O |
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| 04:33.30 | niwt | sex |
| 04:33.33 | nuxis | yea it was meant shit :p |
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| 04:33.40 | nuxis | typo mistake :> |
| 04:33.51 | JordiGH | But "winshit" didn't get self-censored. Ah, well. |
| 04:33.56 | SteveDondley_ | !tell linux-wlan-ng |
| 04:34.10 | JordiGH | !linux wlang-ng |
| 04:34.21 | JordiGH | !info linux-wlan-ng |
| 04:34.25 | dpkg | linux-wlan-ng: (utilities for wireless prism2 cards), section admin, is extra. Version: 0.2.8+svn1839+dfsg-2 (sid), Packaged size: 102 kB, Installed size: 408 kB |
| 04:34.26 | SteveDondley_ | !linux-wlan-ng |
| 04:34.26 | dpkg | linux-wlan-ng is, like, an opensource module for wireless LAN cards which can be found at http://www.linux-wlan.org, or ask me about <linux-wlan-ng install>. http://www.linux-wlan.org/docs/wlan_adapters.html.gz |
| 04:34.27 | nuxis | winshit = windows it doesn't need to be self-censored infact windows should be self-censored :¯) |
| 04:35.22 | SteveDondley_ | !linux-wlan-ng-install |
| 04:35.22 | nuxis | :D |
| 04:35.22 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, linux-wlan-ng-install is as root: "apt-get install module-assistant; m-a prepare; m-a a-i linux-wlan-ng". You should now have linux-wlan-ng modules installed for your current kernel. You may or may not need firmware for your adapter (ask me about <contrib> then install 'linux-wlan-ng-firmware' package). |
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| 04:36.26 | JordiGH | SteveDondley_: "m-a a-i" is Debianspeak for "module-assistant install-module", a Debian utility for automating compilation of kernel modules that for whatever reason is impractical for Debian to ship in binary form. |
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| 04:36.46 | SteveDondley_ | hmmm, I'd like to add the following bit somewhere. What should I put it under? linux-wlan-ng is a package that will help you download and build drivers binaries against your kernel source for some 802.11b wireless devices. Documentation can be found in the linux-wlan-ng-doc package. Once downloaded, instructions for building the drivers can be found at in the README at /usr/share/doc/linux-wlan-ng |
| 04:36.48 | SteveDondley_ | . It may be necessary to run modprobe [driver_name] before you can properly bring the wlan interface up. |
| 04:37.25 | SteveDondley_ | some of it is already duplicated |
| 04:37.26 | nuxis | !debian |
| 04:37.26 | dpkg | from memory, debian is http://www.debian.org. See http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/project-history/index.en.html#contents |
| 04:37.27 | JordiGH | SteveDondley_: You mean, you want to teach dpkg that factoid? |
| 04:37.46 | JordiGH | dpkg, debian is also YOU ARE HERE. |
| 04:37.47 | dpkg | cannot alter locked factoids, JordiGH |
| 04:37.52 | SteveDondley_ | JordiGH: well, I tried, but linux-wlan-ng was already taken |
| 04:37.53 | JordiGH | Aw. |
| 04:37.56 | SteveDondley_ | I need a new factoid title |
| 04:37.59 | nuxis | yea was wondering what dpkg would say :D |
| 04:38.06 | nuxis | !gentoo |
| 04:38.06 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, gentoo is a ports-based Linux distro for x86, PowerPC, Sparc, Sparc64. Maybe akin to BSD. Something you don't want to administer more than 2 of. Nice file browser. Its users are gentoobies. See Also http://www.debian.org/News/weekly/2003/44/ or ask me about 'greenhouse'. bash.org/?464385 or rice rice rice rice, or http://www.arouse.net/despair-linux/gentoo.jpg |
| 04:38.19 | K_Dallas | Good evening guys! Q: I am going to install debian on a Toshiba-Satellite Pro A200. The HDD is partitioned as: hd01 (1.5GB), hd02= drive C (175GB) hd03= drive D (5.7GB) and hd04 (5.4 GB). My problem is that the first partition is probably where the Vista rescue stuff is loaded. But I have no idea what the last partition is. And if I decided to install Debian and Vista or XP, would i be able to merge C and D and then partition them again for V |
| 04:38.19 | K_Dallas | ista and Debian and if i do so, would I be still able to recover Vista from the 1st partition or I have to rely on the rescue DVD? (I hope it is not too irrelevent) Thanks |
| 04:38.24 | SteveDondley_ | there needs to be a linux-wlan-ng for noobs somewhere on the net, though |
| 04:38.49 | simonrvn | !gentoo is also a gtk1 file manager |
| 04:38.49 | dpkg | simonrvn: okay |
| 04:38.57 | nuxis | K_Dallas: I had teh same problem with my lappy |
| 04:39.09 | K_Dallas | oh! nuxq what did you do? |
| 04:39.16 | K_Dallas | oops i meant nuxis |
| 04:39.19 | JordiGH | simonrvn: There's the "Nice file browser" part of that factoid. |
| 04:39.27 | SteveDondley_ | you know, it just hit me that the problem with debian is that ubergeeks right the docs for other ubergeeks |
| 04:39.30 | SteveDondley_ | write |
| 04:39.47 | nuxis | K_Dallas: I just removed vista but that isn't an answer on you're question :-) I would first open knoppix and mount each partion to see what is what then write it down and you're sure what is to be deleted or not |
| 04:39.49 | SteveDondley_ | a lot of it is cryptic |
| 04:39.52 | JordiGH | SteveDondley_: We're actually not as bad as Gentoo. |
| 04:40.06 | JordiGH | SteveDondley_: Or the BSD's. |
| 04:40.07 | SteveDondley_ | heh |
| 04:40.39 | zinx | SteveDondley_: i think installing wlan-ng on Debian is as simple as installing a few packages, though i don't know which ones off the top of my head |
| 04:40.44 | simonrvn | JordiGH: oopsies |
| 04:41.09 | JordiGH | simonrvn: Now I want to see how you selectively remove part of a factoid. |
| 04:41.12 | simonrvn | !gentoo ~= s#, or a gtk1 file manager,, |
| 04:41.16 | K_Dallas | nuxis, my guess is that i should be able to merge and repartition the middle partitions for a some of about 180GB but I think it would be useless to keep the other 2 partitions if I am going to reinstall vista into a new partition but i am not sure |
| 04:41.18 | nuxis | K_Dallas: but the main problem with you partions are that the C is the largest so if you delete the others (= no rescue) then you still have not so many space left |
| 04:41.19 | simonrvn | !gentoo ~= s#, or a gtk1 file manager## |
| 04:41.33 | simonrvn | !gentoo =~ s#, or a gtk1 file manager## |
| 04:41.33 | dpkg | OK, simonrvn |
| 04:41.34 | nuxis | K_Dallas: you got a fully CD of vista? |
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| 04:41.44 | simonrvn | JordiGH: that's how |
| 04:41.56 | K_Dallas | nuxis, it is a recovery DVD I have created from inside Vista |
| 04:42.02 | nuxis | mhh |
| 04:42.14 | K_Dallas | they didnt even give me the actual DVD! |
| 04:42.17 | nuxis | I think it's verry hard to keep vista and install debian |
| 04:42.20 | JordiGH | K_Dallas: My guess is that the last partition is simply empty space. |
| 04:42.28 | nuxis | ofc not win**** is paranoid :p |
| 04:42.30 | JordiGH | nuxis: Not at all. |
| 04:42.49 | nuxis | JordiGH: but what he gonna do with onlt 5gb? |
| 04:43.00 | JordiGH | nuxis: ntfstools can handle the Vista filesystem since at least six months or so. |
| 04:43.01 | K_Dallas | JordiGH, when i look into the partition in vista, both the first and the last seems to be empty even though there is no drive associated with them |
| 04:43.02 | niwt | Vista has its own partition tool, so you can resize to make free space - i had no trouble setting up a dual boot laptop |
| 04:43.32 | nuxis | mhh in that case if you can resize it I would say steal like 20-40 gb :-) |
| 04:43.33 | K_Dallas | niwt, i see but then i would have debian installed after vista so i should edit some thing, right? |
| 04:43.39 | JordiGH | K_Dallas: Why don't you browse the last partition with a livecd like Knoppix just to make sure that for some dumb reason, you really have unusable empty space that can be used? |
| 04:43.59 | JordiGH | K_Dallas: I've seen some very stupidly partitioned discs fresh out from the manufacturers. |
| 04:44.09 | K_Dallas | JordiGH, ok, will do so (I think i have still an ubuntu cd from some time ago) |
| 04:44.12 | niwt | K_Dallas: you might possibly have to edit /boot/grub/menu.lst, but probably not |
| 04:44.36 | nuxis | K_Dallas: I think you can do it with ubuntu but knoppix is beter to do such stuff |
| 04:44.41 | K_Dallas | niwt, if i resize the paritiotns and keep vista, probably not |
| 04:44.53 | JordiGH | Knoppix for one boots a lot faster than the Ubuntu livecd. |
| 04:44.57 | K_Dallas | nuxis, ok, going to get it right away |
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| 04:45.01 | simonrvn | for sure |
| 04:45.02 | niwt | what I don't understand is why you have an extra partition |
| 04:45.23 | K_Dallas | niwt, i have no idea either, this is how the hard has been from the store |
| 04:45.24 | JordiGH | Does Vista use a swap partition? 5 gigs of swap? :-) |
| 04:45.47 | JordiGH | K_Dallas: Maybe that's where the NSA keeps secret data to spy on you. ;-) |
| 04:45.56 | K_Dallas | JordiGH, there is also a disk1 when i look and it is not big and it is labeled something like nvcache or so |
| 04:46.05 | niwt | the laptop I did had a c: main partition and a d: rescue partition |
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| 04:46.10 | K_Dallas | ;) @ JordiGH |
| 04:46.18 | joseph_ | hello |
| 04:46.29 | K_Dallas | niwt, the wierd thing is that D is there but is almost empty! |
| 04:46.36 | joseph_ | some know do a bootstrapping of a fedora system in debian? |
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| 04:47.11 | levon | how can i see if i have a antheros driver for my wireless card |
| 04:47.27 | levon | i think i do woot and i bought the card for about 8 dollars i love frys |
| 04:47.30 | niwt | K_Dallas: if you go into the system info in win, you should be able to tell which is the rescue part |
| 04:47.34 | Azar | aghhh my psi fan is going bad again! damn lost the fun |
| 04:47.42 | niwt | I think it's bigger than 1.5G |
| 04:47.59 | nuxis | levon: lspci |
| 04:48.01 | levon | k |
| 04:48.30 | K_Dallas | niwt, there are 2 partitions of 5.7 and 5.4 but one is empty, D, the other has no lable |
| 04:48.41 | levon | yesh atheros now how do i install this thing |
| 04:48.55 | nuxis | !tell levon madwifi |
| 04:49.05 | K_Dallas | JordiGH, i have a rescueCD, would that give me all the tools to see what those partitions are |
| 04:49.08 | niwt | K_Dallas: how badly do you need windows? |
| 04:49.12 | nuxis | errrm target invalid :s |
| 04:49.16 | nuxis | !madwifi |
| 04:49.16 | dpkg | madwifi is a driver for wireless devices with an Atheros chipset. More information is at http://madwifi.org/wiki/UserDocs/Distro/Debian. To install madwifi drivers built against Debian stock kernels, ask me about <madwifi-install>. No USB devices are supported. NOT for AR5007UG (aka AR2624/AR5524) chipsets, ask me about <zd1211rw> instead. |
| 04:49.18 | levon | now i can use my air snort program i was hoping for this so much |
| 04:49.22 | SteveDondley_ | I'm reading the wikin on debian and package management, it's really well written |
| 04:49.30 | JordiGH | K_Dallas: If you mean an Ubuntu rescue CD, yes. I wouldn't trust a Windows Rescue CD. |
| 04:49.34 | K_Dallas | niwt, if it were for me, i would get rid of it but i need office2007 |
| 04:49.38 | nuxis | levon: you can scan for networks? do as root iwslist interface scan |
| 04:49.50 | JordiGH | K_Dallas: OO.o still not up to par? |
| 04:49.54 | nuxis | **iwlist |
| 04:49.55 | K_Dallas | JordiGH, no it is a linux kind of disk |
| 04:50.05 | levon | i installed the stupid ndiswrapper i have to remove it first |
| 04:50.10 | K_Dallas | JordiGH, OO could not handle office2007 files |
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| 04:50.27 | K_Dallas | (I guess) |
| 04:50.29 | JordiGH | K_Dallas: Really? |
| 04:50.34 | nuxis | levon, you can see you card in iwconfig? |
| 04:50.49 | levon | im using it now |
| 04:50.50 | K_Dallas | it had problems with office2003 so i woldnt trust it with office2007 |
| 04:50.59 | Fangorn | it's iwlist interface scan |
| 04:50.59 | nuxis | levon: ok then is everything ok =) |
| 04:51.06 | JordiGH | K_Dallas: How long ago were the problems? |
| 04:51.10 | levon | but its with ndiswrapper so i dont know if its going to work with airsnort |
| 04:51.12 | nuxis | Fangorn: I sayed that :s |
| 04:51.16 | levon | so im going to get madwifi |
| 04:51.19 | niwt | K_Dallas: I don't understand that partition scheme, but I'd assume that windows needs the small partitions for something, and I'd shrink the biggest one to make free space for linux. If you've already got four partitions, then I'm out of ideas |
| 04:51.22 | levon | and put it to the man |
| 04:51.24 | K_Dallas | JordiGH, some 6 months ago |
| 04:51.35 | nuxis | levon: if you're card is working then you don't need a other driver :s |
| 04:51.40 | JordiGH | K_Dallas: Relatively recent, then. Oh well. |
| 04:51.54 | K_Dallas | niwt, maybe as you said, i would just shrink C and make room for linux |
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| 04:52.21 | levon | i know nuxis i used ndiswrapper to make it work will airsnort work with it |
| 04:52.30 | nuxis | levon: ok then it is gine |
| 04:52.32 | nuxis | **fine |
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| 04:52.32 | K_Dallas | niwt, but the other thing is that i wanted to downgrade my windows to XP ;) |
| 04:52.40 | nuxis | I use ndiswrapper myself |
| 04:52.45 | niwt | oh, then wipe and start over? |
| 04:52.48 | nuxis | what card do you have specific? |
| 04:52.56 | JordiGH | K_Dallas: That's hardly a "downgrade". More of an "upgrade". ;-) |
| 04:53.22 | K_Dallas | JordiGH, exactly, i dont see any advantage in using vista |
| 04:53.35 | JordiGH | K_Dallas: I understand it asks more questions for safety. |
| 04:53.53 | levon | gine? |
| 04:53.55 | JordiGH | "Are you sure you want to copy that file? Won't someone think of the shrinking free space!" |
| 04:53.57 | nuxis | fine |
| 04:54.08 | K_Dallas | JordiGH, besides that, i still dont see anything extra specially that i deactivate all the eyecandies ;) |
| 04:54.16 | nuxis | levon but it is always bethet to have a linux driver but that depens on the card you're using |
| 04:54.21 | JordiGH | Aw. I like compiz. |
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| 04:54.45 | nuxis | damn I'm really typing mistakes :s |
| 04:54.50 | levon | its a airlink |
| 04:54.51 | niwt | keep the wiggly window borders away from me, please |
| 04:55.20 | levon | its ath0 |
| 04:55.23 | JordiGH | niwt: What about the exposé effect? Or the ability to actually drag windows to different desktop instead of having to manipulate menus to do so? |
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| 04:55.52 | nuxis | levon: it's working nice leave it like that :-) |
| 04:55.58 | niwt | I've been dragging windows to other desktops for years - first with fvwm2, then with xfce4 |
| 04:56.03 | levon | k |
| 04:56.14 | JordiGH | The task switcher that shows all windows in a ring with window previews is also nice. The supr+tab switch, I mean. |
| 04:56.16 | niwt | oh, and kde will do it, too |
| 04:57.01 | JordiGH | KDE won't do it. Well, not the same way. You have to use the little desktop miniature thing, which isn't as spatially intuitive. |
| 04:57.29 | levon | looks like its working nicely |
| 04:57.38 | niwt | there's a setting somewhere in there - you just grab the title bar and drag |
| 04:57.57 | nuxis | mhh wondering if my atheron card will suport injection for aircrack :-) |
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| 04:58.18 | JordiGH | niwt: How would that work? KDE's desktops aren't spatially arranged. |
| 04:58.20 | levon | thank you :) |
| 04:58.35 | K_Dallas | oh! here is a screen capture of some other guy with similar problem as mine, http://tinypic.com/fullsize.php?pic=4u9qq0g&s=1 the partitions are almost the same for me except that i have a disk1 named nvcache or so |
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| 04:59.22 | niwt | when I used kde, I had six desktops, two rows of three - I could drag a window to adjacent desktop to side or up/down |
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| 05:01.18 | niwt | kcontrol - Desktop - window behavior - advanced - active desktop borders |
| 05:01.29 | JordiGH | niwt: Ah, I see. |
| 05:01.51 | niwt | drop it to 100ms |
| 05:02.10 | niwt | or less, if you're really impatient |
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| 05:03.37 | nuxis | damn ugly sticker of windows vista on my laptop |
| 05:03.58 | elmo40 | use a razor |
| 05:04.03 | elmo40 | or sledge hammer... |
| 05:04.04 | nuxis | duh |
| 05:04.07 | elmo40 | whatever works for you |
| 05:04.10 | nuxis | naah sledge hammer not :p |
| 05:04.13 | niwt | or a penguin refrigerator magnet to cover it |
| 05:04.18 | nuxis | knife will work :-) |
| 05:04.18 | elmo40 | lol |
| 05:04.28 | elmo40 | magets work wonders! |
| 05:04.37 | elmo40 | lighter, maybe? |
| 05:04.53 | niwt | get nail polish, and make your own logo |
| 05:04.55 | nuxis | the main problem is that windows got haard stickers so you can not easily remove them or damage you're computer |
| 05:05.17 | nuxis | so I think I will just paste a sticker of debian over it :) |
| 05:06.10 | nuxis | ow :-) sticker removed |
| 05:06.13 | nuxis | now BURN it :p |
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| 05:06.35 | niwt | should we all chant something while you're burning it? |
| 05:06.45 | nuxis | yea :D |
| 05:06.57 | nuxis | damn 3 stickers on the back also :| |
| 05:06.57 | Guerin | nuxis: the glue on those stickers is alcohol-soluble |
| 05:07.11 | Guerin | nuxis: you can easily get them off with a bit o' strong booze |
| 05:07.12 | nuxis | serial number for my vista |
| 05:07.29 | nuxis | Guerin: alredy removed :) |
| 05:07.46 | JordiGH | nuxis: Removed it just now? |
| 05:07.58 | nuxis | yup |
| 05:08.06 | nuxis | knife :) without damaging my lappy |
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| 05:08.33 | JordiGH | Looks like Woody was the last distro to have decent artwork for the cds. :-( |
| 05:09.01 | nuxis | http://www.debian.org/CD/artwork/ |
| 05:09.27 | niwt | JordiGH: where would one obtain debian parephernalia? |
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| 05:10.57 | nuxis | http://www.debian-art.org/index.php?xcontentmode=7526 |
| 05:11.04 | nuxis | some nice banners etc.. :-) |
| 05:11.04 | Nyle | anyone know a good mud client with gui automapper? |
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| 05:11.15 | SteveDondley_ | wow 20 cds in etch, I didn't realize |
| 05:11.26 | Nyle | you would never use them |
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| 05:12.11 | JordiGH | SteveDondley_: Debian rule #1: All free software is already in Debian, or it should be. |
| 05:12.11 | Nyle | thats about 15+gb of packages and you would maybe use about 1gb on a normal system |
| 05:12.11 | SteveDondley_ | JordiGH: oh, really? I thought they were more selective |
| 05:12.14 | JordiGH | SteveDondley_: If it's free, we got it. |
| 05:12.19 | Nyle | JordiGH: I want a pipe with a debian swirl in it |
| 05:12.21 | Nyle | for smoking |
| 05:12.27 | JordiGH | Nyle: doobian |
| 05:12.28 | JordiGH | \? |
| 05:12.30 | SteveDondley_ | how do you find out about them? |
| 05:12.32 | Nyle | hehe |
| 05:12.49 | JordiGH | SteveDondley_: Find out what's already in Debian? |
| 05:12.57 | JordiGH | SteveDondley_: packages.debian.org |
| 05:12.58 | Nyle | !search |
| 05:12.58 | dpkg | hmm... search is try 'apt-cache search <regex>', if you want to know what package owns a file use dpkg -S /bin/foo. To find a package based on what files it includes use 'aptitude install apt-file;apt-file update;apt-file search foo'. Use http://packages.debian.org if you're not on a debian system. /msg <bot> find <thing> if you're already here. /msg <bot> listkeys <thing> to find factoids containing <thing>. see http://wiki.debian.org/WhereIsIt |
| 05:13.03 | nuxis | !windows |
| 05:13.03 | dpkg | PCs are like air conditioners, if you open Windows(R) they don't work. |
| 05:13.07 | nuxis | xD |
| 05:13.07 | SteveDondley_ | no, how do debian devels find out about the software out there? |
| 05:13.11 | Nyle | !pdo |
| 05:13.11 | dpkg | http://packages.debian.org/ - here you can search for debian packages and their contents. Pretty Damned Obvious, isn't it?, or http://people.debian.org/, in some contexts. Maybe even http://planet.debian.org/ |
| 05:13.36 | SteveDondley_ | does someone petition debian for inclusion? |
| 05:13.39 | nuxis | dpkg: I love you mate |
| 05:13.51 | JordiGH | SteveDondley_: Oh. People talk about them. Slashdot. We chat around. We need software, we google for it, find something good that isn't already in Debian, we wonder "why the hell not?" so we package it. |
| 05:13.58 | JordiGH | SteveDondley_: Yeah, that too. wnpp |
| 05:14.01 | JordiGH | !wnpp |
| 05:14.01 | dpkg | For information on packages which are not in Debian but you think should be, check the Work-Needing and Prospective Packages list at http://www.debian.org/devel/wnpp. Also use the script wnpp-alert (from the devscripts package) to see what packages you are using that are in need of help. |
| 05:14.36 | SteveDondley_ | now, how the hell do you find enough bodies to maintain so much software, seems unsustainable to include everything |
| 05:15.02 | JordiGH | SteveDondley_: 1000+ DDs, plus others who contribute without being DDs. |
| 05:15.03 | simonrvn | a lot of people are involved |
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| 05:15.12 | nuxis | it's open-source :) |
| 05:15.13 | KI4IKL | How different from Ubuntu would ndiswrapper on debian be? |
| 05:15.15 | SteveDondley_ | right, i was reading the history |
| 05:15.26 | nuxis | KI4IKL: well .. :s |
| 05:15.40 | KI4IKL | well? |
| 05:15.44 | JordiGH | SteveDondley_: And yes, a lot of people are involved, the debian mailing lists are very high traffic, and there's a definite Debian constitution and organisational structure so that releases can actually happen. It's a bit of a small miracle, actually. |
| 05:15.46 | nuxis | think nothing |
| 05:16.11 | nuxis | SteveDondley_: DON'T suscribe I did it once and next day I had like 100 new emails |
| 05:16.24 | SteveDondley_ | JordiGH: i started on Potato. never used linux before. barely used a command line (dos). took me fucking days to figure it out |
| 05:16.46 | nuxis | SteveDondley_: how old are you? |
| 05:16.51 | SteveDondley_ | 37 |
| 05:16.51 | niwt | that's pretty quick |
| 05:17.00 | JordiGH | SteveDondley_: I started using Debian the most pleasant way possible: I had a nice sysadmin who set it up for me and answered questions face to face. |
| 05:17.05 | nuxis | ow k:) I started with linux on my 12 |
| 05:17.12 | SteveDondley_ | yeah, I'm fascinated by the whole open source process. I contribute to drupal some |
| 05:17.35 | JordiGH | And speaking of Debian organisation, there's also drama. Lots of drama. And yet, Debian plods on. |
| 05:17.45 | SteveDondley_ | JordiGH: heh, I had blood on my head and wall aftewards. excuciating. |
| 05:18.34 | niwt | debian is boring - you just apt-get whatever you want, and it works |
| 05:18.44 | nuxis | true :p |
| 05:18.54 | SteveDondley_ | aptitude or apt-get? |
| 05:18.59 | nuxis | or synaptic |
| 05:19.01 | SteveDondley_ | my server guy tells me aptitude |
| 05:19.06 | niwt | I haven't used aptitude |
| 05:19.06 | JordiGH | SteveDondley_: aptitude |
| 05:19.12 | SteveDondley_ | I never heard of it until last year or so |
| 05:19.15 | nuxis | it's just .deb is f*c |
| 05:19.19 | nuxis | i*ng good :) |
| 05:19.27 | nuxis | and damn fucking keyboard :p |
| 05:19.41 | JordiGH | SteveDondley_: I had someone sit next to me and teach me a few basic bash commands. Then I started mucking around in the manpages and the info pages for more stuff. Then I got hooked on Emacs. Never looked back. |
| 05:20.22 | JordiGH | SteveDondley_: aptitude is generally smarter than apt-get. Switching from one manager to the other is a mess, though, because they have very different opinions on what should be installed and what not. |
| 05:20.49 | JordiGH | SteveDondley_: The biggest difference, but by no means the only one, is that aptitude by default installs recommended packages but apt-get doesn't. |
| 05:20.54 | nuxis | SteveDondley_: aptitude has more options and is very nice |
| 05:20.57 | SteveDondley_ | JordiGH: really? good to know because I use whichever one I decide to use |
| 05:20.57 | niwt | does synaptic use apt-get? |
| 05:21.12 | nuxis | niwt: offcourse |
| 05:21.22 | nuxis | they use apt |
| 05:21.27 | SteveDondley_ | JordiGH: ok, thanks |
| 05:22.03 | nuxis | soon december :) donate again to debian |
| 05:22.11 | SteveDondley_ | does ian murdock stay involved? |
| 05:22.28 | JordiGH | Ian Murdock seems to have forked off to Sun. |
| 05:22.56 | JordiGH | !ian murdock |
| 05:22.56 | dpkg | rumour has it, ian murdock is the creator of debian, who then went on to create Progeny and now is employed by Sun Microsystems |
| 05:23.13 | JordiGH | !debora murdock |
| 05:23.24 | nuxis | :o there is a debian manifesto |
| 05:23.27 | JordiGH | No factoid for the First Lady? |
| 05:24.40 | JordiGH | imurdock@debian.org Does it still exist? |
| 05:25.38 | nuxis | well send an email :) |
| 05:25.42 | simonrvn | !debra murdock |
| 05:25.42 | dpkg | debra murdock is, like, Ian Murdock's wife |
| 05:25.54 | simonrvn | meh |
| 05:25.55 | niwt | like? |
| 05:26.00 | nuxis | no shi*! =p |
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| 05:27.27 | niwt | I'm not gonna make that mistake |
| 05:28.00 | niwt | 12:30 here, and seems like a good time to hit the sack |
| 05:28.07 | niwt | see ya |
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| 05:28.18 | nuxis | good night |
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| 05:33.51 | simonrvn | !ops twolazy |
| 05:33.51 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: simonrvn complains about: twolazy |
| 05:33.59 | simonrvn | twolazy: stfu |
| 05:34.08 | coppercore | SHUT UP |
| 05:34.09 | coppercore | OMFG |
| 05:34.10 | coppercore | DIE |
| 05:34.19 | simonrvn | put the ass on /ignore |
| 05:34.41 | nuxis | sec I join freenode for a k-link |
| 05:35.35 | nuxis | WTF and now is twolazy in feenode saying I'm a liar |
| 05:35.51 | simonrvn | this is freenode |
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| 05:36.05 | nuxis | yea at #freenode |
| 05:36.13 | simonrvn | nvz: put twolazy on /ignore |
| 05:36.17 | simonrvn | oh, nm then |
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| 05:38.18 | GuHHH | is there any way i can use user's quota and group's quota if i just have one partition? |
| 05:38.24 | robboplus | hm |
| 05:38.24 | robboplus | what am i missing if my apache2 won't actually run an index.php and browser tries to download a file each time i point it to the website's root? |
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| 05:38.38 | robboplus | i got apache2 and php5 packages installed so far |
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| 05:39.08 | simonrvn | GuHHH: not very simple that way |
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| 05:39.32 | GuHHH | simonrvn: could you explain a way i could do this? |
| 05:40.00 | GuHHH | simonrvn: i need to make user quota and group quota for samba users (samba + ldap) |
| 05:40.13 | pdbogen | My SATA CD-RW/DVD-ROM drive can read CDs, but it spontaneously stopped playing DVDs. I watched a title through, then went to watch a different title on the same disc, and it now gives me 'no medium found' whenever that disc is in the drive. |
| 05:40.15 | simonrvn | well, it's easy, but you won't be able to set up different quotas |
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| 05:41.12 | GuHHH | simonrvn: thats not a problem... how would i do this? |
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| 05:41.44 | piper69 | yalo everyone |
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| 05:42.40 | simonrvn | GuHHH: it's been a long time since i've done so, there's some CLI to do this, and . files involved |
| 05:42.48 | piper69 | where can i start learing how to write my owm kernel please |
| 05:43.13 | nuxis | piper69: it's not writing but compiling. You select what modules etc.. you need then you compile it |
| 05:43.29 | pdbogen | piper69 : In a Computer Architecture class. |
| 05:43.42 | simonrvn | start reading the source code of an already existing one |
| 05:43.49 | nuxis | oowin that way soz |
| 05:44.08 | Tidus | um... |
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| 05:44.23 | Tidus | is this spammerbot season? |
| 05:44.40 | BedOfRoses | PLEASE JOIN ##SPORKS WE PAYPAL $10 TO THE FIRST 5 ONES WHO JOIN! |
| 05:44.50 | Tidus | !ops BedOfRoses |
| 05:44.51 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: tidus complains about: BedOfRoses |
| 05:44.54 | BedOfRoses | PLEASE JOIN ##SPORKS WE PAYPAL $10 TO THE FIRST 5 ONES WHO JOIN! |
| 05:45.00 | pdbogen | Tidus : It wasn't until you said something. |
| 05:45.02 | BedOfRoses | PLEASE JOIN ##SPORKS WE PAYPAL $10 TO THE FIRST 5 ONES WHO JOIN! |
| 05:45.15 | BedOfRoses | PLEASE JOIN ##SPORKS WE PAYPAL $10 TO THE FIRST 5 ONES WHO JOIN! |
| 05:45.22 | BedOfRoses | PLEASE JOIN ##SPORKS WE PAYPAL $10 TO THE FIRST 5 ONES WHO JOIN! |
| 05:45.38 | nuxis | tnx to me I reported it xD |
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| 05:46.34 | piper69 | nuxis: pdbogen ok, compiling , where can i get started please? |
| 05:46.43 | pdbogen | piper69 : In a Computer Architecture class. |
| 05:46.47 | pdbogen | Oh, wait. |
| 05:46.53 | nuxis | piper69: but you wanna write you're own kernel in C++? |
| 05:46.54 | pdbogen | Try reading the documentation included with the kernel. |
| 05:47.31 | nuxis | yea that should I do |
| 05:47.42 | nuxis | !ops |
| 05:47.43 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, ops is Please invoke 'dpkg: ops $problem' to call the ops to deal with a specific problem. Misuse of this will lead to a ban. |
| 05:47.46 | piper69 | pdbogen: what do you mean |
| 05:48.07 | nuxis | piper69: what exactly do you wanna do? |
| 05:48.19 | pdbogen | piper69 : The kernel sources include a folder called 'Documentaiton,' that's full of- you guessed it- documentation. |
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| 05:51.16 | gamag | how can I install mod_ntlm.so for Apache in Lenny? |
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| 05:52.09 | lontra | i just installed debian via the testing netinstall and my Section "Module" was absent ... what should be there if I have an intel chip? |
| 05:52.25 | piper69 | nuxis: i have an old palm , so i want to play arround with it, i know that someone might already complied one but just for my own knowldge |
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| 05:54.05 | nuxis | piper69: then I should read the kernel documentation :-) |
| 05:54.37 | piper69 | nuxis: where can i find that please |
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| 05:55.03 | nuxis | you can find it in /usr/src.. |
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| 05:56.01 | spawn57 | hi, does anyone know how I can force saslauthd to read the location of the config file using /etc/default/saslauthd.conf? |
| 05:56.19 | nuxis | I know it is somewhere in /usr/src but don't know exectly where |
| 05:56.22 | simonrvn | it already reads it from /etc, no ned |
| 05:56.27 | simonrvn | need* |
| 05:56.55 | nuxis | simonrvn: you know where the doc files from the kernel are? |
| 05:57.00 | nuxis | /usr/src..? |
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| 05:57.56 | Claudio32m | smb and vista network dont like eachother huh? |
| 05:58.12 | Manoj | spawn57: not sure there is a way. apparently, /etc/saslauthd.conf seems to be hardwired, as far as I can tell |
| 05:58.24 | simonrvn | nuxis: debian kerne source packages dump a tarball in /usr/src, you have to unpack it |
| 05:58.28 | simonrvn | kernel* |
| 05:58.33 | nuxis | yea tought so |
| 05:59.06 | nuxis | piper69: download the latest kernel from kernel.org you can find the recent documentation in that tar's. |
| 05:59.09 | spawn57 | Manoj: alright, i ran it in debug mode though and I really dont' think it's reading that config file at all |
| 05:59.26 | lontra | is direct rendering for intel chips broken in lenny? |
| 06:00.08 | Manoj | spawn57: Hmm. well, I just read the man page; if the actual behaviour differs from the man page, it is a bug |
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| 06:00.41 | simonrvn | in the saslauthd docs it mentions where the conf should go ;) |
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| 06:00.47 | spawn57 | Manoj: alright, i think the kolab documents for etch need to up updated a bit too hehe |
| 06:00.52 | simonrvn | *hinthint* |
| 06:01.05 | Manoj | I don't even have an e/tc/saslauthd.conf file |
| 06:01.15 | spawn57 | simonrvn: heh yeah i checked that |
| 06:01.37 | simonrvn | it's called an editor ;) |
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| 06:02.44 | smultron | any ideas on when 4.0r2 will be released? |
| 06:02.44 | Manottt | PLEASE JOIN ##SPORKS ! WE PAYPAL $50 TO THE FIRST ONE WHO JOINS !! THIS IS NOT A JOKE !! I'M ##SPORKS' FOUNDER!!! |
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| 06:03.18 | nuxis | stupid fu**ing spammers |
| 06:03.31 | Nyle_ | what the shit |
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| 06:04.01 | drc | hmm, maybe I should join, sounds like easy money? |
| 06:04.12 | lontra | hi i am curious why direct rendering can't work with my intel card ... http://www.pastebin.ca/796630 |
| 06:04.17 | spawn57 | yeah, give'em your bank account details too |
| 06:04.17 | Manoj | join, and spam them about #debian |
| 06:04.19 | Decepticon | how do i browse network shares with mc? |
| 06:04.23 | spawn57 | they'll deposit in there straight away |
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| 06:04.29 | Nyle_ | Manoj: do no such thing |
| 06:04.35 | Nyle_ | Decepticon: what is mc |
| 06:04.36 | spaz | whoever is spreading the slander, care to say it to my face? |
| 06:04.38 | Decepticon | do i have to mount them to a specific folder in order to be able to browse them in mc? |
| 06:04.42 | Decepticon | midnight commander |
| 06:04.42 | Manoj | Nyle_: umm? |
| 06:04.44 | spaz | or are you a coward |
| 06:04.58 | spaz | ah..chicken. *bwak* :P |
| 06:05.04 | Decepticon | abuk abuk abuk |
| 06:05.48 | Manoj | spaz: ok, then. vi rules. emacs sucks!. gentoo is better than debian! break your eggs an the large end! |
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| 06:05.54 | smultron | any ideas on when 4.0r2 will be released? |
| 06:05.56 | simonrvn | spaz: Manottt left; left stuff i'll tell you in /msg |
| 06:06.07 | spaz | k. |
| 06:06.07 | drc | spawn57: are you serious? :O I never thought making money is this easy, I guess I have to try and give them my bank details |
| 06:06.13 | spaz | thank you simonrvn |
| 06:06.19 | spaz | Manoj, i don't even use debian |
| 06:06.21 | spaz | i use freebsd |
| 06:06.22 | spaz | and i use vim |
| 06:06.25 | spaz | :D |
| 06:06.27 | spawn57 | drc: totally :P |
| 06:06.37 | Nyle_ | I wanna be a psychic |
| 06:06.37 | Manoj | spaz: in that case, you appear to be lost |
| 06:06.41 | spaz | haha |
| 06:06.43 | drc | what do I have to lose? :) |
| 06:06.49 | spaz | Manoj, some spammer came after me :P |
| 06:06.51 | Claudio32m | will i see an increase in performance on a p3 1ghz with 512mb ram if i add another 512mb ram? |
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| 06:07.00 | Claudio32m | with debian of course |
| 06:07.04 | Nyle_ | Claudio32m: yup |
| 06:07.07 | Claudio32m | nice |
| 06:07.08 | Nyle_ | more ram is always good |
| 06:07.09 | Claudio32m | gonna look on ebay |
| 06:07.14 | Nyle_ | dude |
| 06:07.21 | Claudio32m | i need 168pin |
| 06:07.24 | Nyle_ | 512 mb ram is like les than 20$ |
| 06:07.26 | Nyle_ | look on newegg |
| 06:07.33 | Claudio32m | newegg dont ship up north |
| 06:07.46 | Nyle_ | who told you to live in canada |
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| 06:07.50 | Claudio32m | my parents |
| 06:07.51 | Claudio32m | lol |
| 06:07.54 | Nyle_ | oh |
| 06:07.56 | Nyle_ | hmm |
| 06:07.56 | smultron | no takers on when 4.0r2 will be released? |
| 06:08.05 | Nyle_ | smultron: dunno |
| 06:08.11 | smultron | k |
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| 06:08.28 | Nyle_ | I'm waitin on lenny stable |
| 06:08.29 | Nyle_ | ehehe |
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| 06:09.33 | Claudio32m | yeah it is cheap on newegg |
| 06:09.42 | Claudio32m | need to find a place with those prices who ships here |
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| 06:12.05 | Claudio32m | nevermind |
| 06:12.08 | Claudio32m | found a store locally |
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| 06:13.09 | levon | how do i put a wireless card into monitor mode? |
| 06:13.31 | spawn57 | ...dammit, sasl doesnt' seem to be contacting my ldap server at all |
| 06:14.07 | SteveDondley_ | where can I see .deb files in the file structure? |
| 06:14.25 | nuxis | SteveDondley_: how do you mean? |
| 06:14.46 | SteveDondley_ | where do they reside within the file tree? I guess I can do a find |
| 06:15.01 | nuxis | you mean when apt-get download them? |
| 06:15.07 | SteveDondley_ | yeah |
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| 06:15.24 | nuxis | mhh don't know sec lemme watch on my poster :D |
| 06:15.31 | levon | its a atheros card |
| 06:15.32 | SteveDondley_ | llooks like in /var/cache/apt/archives |
| 06:15.44 | nuxis | yup just saw it on my poster :) |
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| 06:24.24 | robboplus | is it possible to make apache listen on a particular IP and not 0.0.0.0? |
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| 06:25.01 | nuxis | robboplus: dunno about that lemme search |
| 06:27.26 | nuxis | robboplus: think virtual hotst |
| 06:27.30 | nuxis | **hosts |
| 06:28.25 | nuxis | http://www.apacheweek.com/features/vhost maybe that can help |
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| 06:30.48 | seanp2k | HALP ME I IZ BROKN |
| 06:30.55 | seanp2k | samba is all jacked up |
| 06:31.17 | seanp2k | i guess a bunch of people are having the same exact problem |
| 06:31.32 | nuxis | seanp2k: fault in the version? |
| 06:31.37 | SteveDondley_ | I have a fundamentat question |
| 06:31.48 | nuxis | yea SteveDondley_ ? |
| 06:31.50 | SteveDondley_ | Let's say I'm running fastcgi |
| 06:32.00 | seanp2k | http://www.nomorepasting.com/getpaste.php?pasteid=7219 |
| 06:32.14 | SteveDondley_ | and I install drupal on my server with apt |
| 06:32.30 | SteveDondley_ | how is apt gonig to know how to install drupal so it works with fastcgi? |
| 06:32.54 | SteveDondley_ | it just seems like there are so many variables with this stuff |
| 06:33.08 | SteveDondley_ | doesn't seem possible that a package could figure out how toinstall properly |
| 06:33.27 | nuxis | SteveDondley_: well that depends if apt is setting up drupal and drupal see "ow fastcgi" he gonna say something like "do you want that we work together" |
| 06:33.35 | nuxis | it's not apt that control that stuff |
| 06:33.45 | nuxis | it's the programs you're installing |
| 06:33.52 | nuxis | en seanp2k sec lemme watch it |
| 06:33.54 | SteveDondley_ | isn't it the deb? |
| 06:34.23 | nuxis | SteveDondley_: it depens on the packages if it CAN work together it will but apt just put everything in the right folder etc.. |
| 06:34.35 | seanp2k | i know in FreeBSD you can install stuff like phpmyadmin and it'll auto set-up for the most part |
| 06:34.45 | SteveDondley_ | wouldn't the package manager of drupal package have to figure out what to do? |
| 06:34.46 | seanp2k | like if you use default web directories etc |
| 06:34.47 | nuxis | seanp2k: I had a simular fault a while ago |
| 06:35.02 | nuxis | you can fix it with dpkg -a ... :s |
| 06:35.05 | seanp2k | nuxis: i can wait until they fix it, no biggie, just if there is a quick fix |
| 06:35.07 | seanp2k | oo |
| 06:35.09 | nuxis | SteveDondley_: yea |
| 06:35.45 | SteveDondley_ | so if the package manager doesn't foresee your particular config, well, you are out of luck unless you know what you are doing, right? |
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| 06:36.04 | nuxis | E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1) --> sounds simmular to mine problem a while ago |
| 06:36.29 | seanp2k | SteveDondley_, most stuff CAN work together if you know how to configure it |
| 06:36.47 | seanp2k | SteveDondley_, but it's not like a preconfigured LAMP server install where everything is already set up |
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| 06:37.14 | nuxis | SteveDondley_: the package manager only download the .deb packages and put everything in the right folder. If (while setting up) the packages see that you have something that can work together it will and you can configure it our get a screen with some questions |
| 06:37.39 | seanp2k | SteveDondley_, ex. apache and a perl module for apache |
| 06:37.44 | simonrvn | !folder |
| 06:37.44 | dpkg | folder is a directory damn it! near My Computer and Network Neighborhood... or the things you put in a filing cabinet. IMAP protocol's mailboxes. |
| 06:38.01 | SteveDondley_ | nuxis, right, but if the package manager doesn't foresee your particular config, you have to do some manual config'ing |
| 06:38.15 | nuxis | SteveDondley_: indeed |
| 06:38.17 | seanp2k | SteveDondley_, and usually you have to anyway |
| 06:38.23 | simonrvn | of course you have to configure it... |
| 06:38.29 | SteveDondley_ | seanp2k: ok |
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| 06:38.41 | seanp2k | if nothing else it's good to look over a config to make sure you're happy with everything it's doing |
| 06:38.51 | simonrvn | yes |
| 06:38.55 | nuxis | but apt doesn't control what is running with what it just download and unpack |
| 06:38.55 | seanp2k | you wouldn't set up vsftpd with anon login haha |
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| 06:39.29 | SteveDondley_ | ok, thanks |
| 06:39.30 | seanp2k | like vsftpd wouldn't automagically set your ftp dir up correctly to be your /www dir |
| 06:39.39 | SteveDondley_ | how do I look over a config? |
| 06:39.42 | seanp2k | config files aren't too hard bro |
| 06:39.47 | simonrvn | debconf managed things will configure certain things for you but it's not like a manual audit of the conf(s) |
| 06:39.50 | levon | how would i put my wireless card into monitor mode its ath0 atheros driver |
| 06:40.05 | nuxis | iwconfig ath0 mode monitor |
| 06:40.08 | SteveDondley_ | ok, going to bed |
| 06:40.08 | seanp2k | levon, ifconfig at |
| 06:40.09 | seanp2k | yeah |
| 06:40.11 | SteveDondley_ | thanks |
| 06:40.17 | nuxis | k cya SteveDondley_ |
| 06:40.20 | simonrvn | "for you' here, i mean ask you questions ;) |
| 06:40.21 | seanp2k | levon, are you using aircrack-ng? |
| 06:40.52 | seanp2k | levon, if so, you can also use airmon-ng start ath0 |
| 06:41.02 | nuxis | yup |
| 06:41.05 | levon | aww okay |
| 06:41.15 | levon | im using airsnort |
| 06:41.21 | seanp2k | that may make it wifi0 though |
| 06:41.21 | levon | ill try aircrack |
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| 06:41.31 | seanp2k | do an ifconfig after to make sure |
| 06:41.33 | nuxis | aircrack is more advanced :) |
| 06:41.38 | levon | :) |
| 06:41.47 | seanp2k | i've never used airsnort, just aircrack |
| 06:41.51 | simonrvn | airsnort sounds like it's breathing |
| 06:42.06 | nuxis | me neither, but always had problem with aireplay-ng :-( |
| 06:42.09 | seanp2k | wireshark + airsnort + kismet + bash scripting = all i need |
| 06:42.12 | nuxis | stupid cards |
| 06:42.15 | seanp2k | haha yeah |
| 06:42.26 | seanp2k | i got lucky, black friday laptop two years ago has an atheros chipset |
| 06:42.33 | seanp2k | and i have an alfa |
| 06:42.37 | nuxis | I got now a atheros :p |
| 06:42.46 | nuxis | damn that alfa is nice :D |
| 06:42.59 | seanp2k | yeah that + a 9dbi omni gets you out there |
| 06:43.15 | seanp2k | signal is like xxx/136 hahaha |
| 06:43.27 | nuxis | well I'm havind a Atheros 5007EG , build in so not hard signal strenth :( |
| 06:43.43 | nuxis | gonna buy a descent card for aircrack :-) |
| 06:43.45 | levon | i got lucky 8 dollar wireless airlink card for my laptop and i found out its atheros based oh i also bought this laptop for 20 dollars off a crack head makes it 10x better |
| 06:43.52 | seanp2k | my atheros picks up reasonably well |
| 06:43.59 | seanp2k | levon, haha, sweet |
| 06:44.12 | levon | :) |
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| 06:44.31 | nuxis | DAMN and I buy a laptop of 488 euro and still don't have descent aireplay :p |
| 06:44.49 | nuxis | only vista :| |
| 06:44.50 | levon | sean2k i found aircrack in apt-get i was wondering if there is a gui for this |
| 06:44.53 | nuxis | now removed = |
| 06:44.57 | nuxis | levon: no |
| 06:44.59 | seanp2k | levon, lawl |
| 06:45.00 | nuxis | well there are |
| 06:45.06 | nuxis | but the console is bether |
| 06:45.07 | seanp2k | people have written them |
| 06:45.09 | seanp2k | but |
| 06:45.10 | seanp2k | yeah |
| 06:45.19 | nuxis | you got better output etc.. |
| 06:45.22 | seanp2k | if you just launch aireplay-ng |
| 06:45.31 | seanp2k | it can scan like kis |
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| 06:46.18 | levon | seanp2k its just aircrack not aircrack-ng ng must be better i have to find a repo for it |
| 06:46.19 | nuxis | I like for example nmapfe nice stuff but you got more options in the console :) |
| 06:46.19 | seanp2k | airodump* |
| 06:46.29 | nuxis | levon: just compile the source |
| 06:46.38 | seanp2k | levon, download the newest dev from CVS |
| 06:46.53 | nuxis | that is better because it's newer and that depends on much |
| 06:46.53 | levon | sounds good |
| 06:47.11 | seanp2k | yeah, try the one in apt first to get some deps |
| 06:47.14 | nuxis | yea CVS even better |
| 06:47.24 | seanp2k | but you'll probably need to upgrade some SSL thing |
| 06:47.26 | seanp2k | i forget |
| 06:47.32 | seanp2k | libssl or some crap |
| 06:48.15 | levon | oh crap what is that gps thing |
| 06:48.23 | nuxis | what? :s |
| 06:49.08 | seanp2k | gpsdrive? |
| 06:49.17 | seanp2k | logs long and lat for each AP |
| 06:49.24 | seanp2k | http://www.nomorepasting.com/getpaste.php?pasteid=7220 |
| 06:49.27 | levon | thats awsome |
| 06:49.27 | nuxis | someone got the aspire 5310? |
| 06:49.39 | seanp2k | yeah, then you can load it up on google earth |
| 06:50.23 | nuxis | wow sun is getting up :D |
| 06:50.28 | nuxis | my eyes!!!! |
| 06:50.42 | levon | okay im going to try to compile this real quick |
| 06:50.54 | seanp2k | use the script in the link i sent? |
| 06:51.13 | nuxis | if you get an error while ./configure just type it in in google :) they will say what to do |
| 06:51.23 | levon | thanks |
| 06:52.37 | nuxis | sec need to close my curtons before my eyes burn |
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| 06:57.47 | Nuxis | damn I have a card reader but it doesn't work :( |
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| 07:00.38 | gamag | how to hibernate in lenny? the power icon right click menu doesn't have "hibernate" option any more. |
| 07:00.58 | Nuxis | gamag: man shutdown |
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| 07:01.34 | gamag | Nuxis: there is nothing about hibernate in man shutdown |
| 07:02.05 | Nuxis | mhh sec |
| 07:02.40 | Nuxis | soz mistake :) dunno how |
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| 07:07.03 | leoechevarria | hi everybody |
| 07:07.10 | smultron | hi dr. nick |
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| 07:07.42 | leoechevarria | i got some questions :p |
| 07:08.22 | leoechevarria | i guess you're people like me, interested in answering questions from other people who are already learning |
| 07:08.23 | leoechevarria | right?= |
| 07:09.07 | Kamping_Kaiser | !tell leoechevarria about ask |
| 07:09.07 | Kamping_Kaiser | :P |
| 07:09.26 | leoechevarria | i'm sorry if my English is not that well |
| 07:09.31 | leoechevarria | i'm argentine by the way |
| 07:09.40 | leoechevarria | it's not very bad, is it :p ? |
| 07:09.51 | Kamping_Kaiser | no |
| 07:09.57 | Nuxis | leoechevarria: as long as you try to speak english :) |
| 07:10.00 | leoechevarria | thanx |
| 07:10.05 | leoechevarria | yes, that's essential |
| 07:10.25 | leoechevarria | going to classes isn't very useful if you don't use it |
| 07:10.32 | Nuxis | indeed :-) |
| 07:11.03 | leoechevarria | well |
| 07:11.12 | leoechevarria | you seem to be calm and cool people |
| 07:11.25 | Nuxis | tnx =) |
| 07:11.41 | Kamping_Kaiser | hehe |
| 07:11.42 | Nuxis | The point is to learn :) and to learn is practice neccesary |
| 07:11.44 | leoechevarria | every english chatroom i've ever got into is full of people who don't understand us |
| 07:12.09 | leoechevarria | besides, i'm a free software and debian fan |
| 07:12.11 | leoechevarria | so... |
| 07:12.11 | leoechevarria | :p |
| 07:12.25 | Nuxis | that is good xD |
| 07:12.52 | leoechevarria | you're all from usa? |
| 07:12.56 | Nuxis | nope |
| 07:13.00 | Nuxis | I'm from belgium |
| 07:13.08 | Nuxis | it's just mixed |
| 07:13.08 | leoechevarria | oh great |
| 07:13.09 | Kamping_Kaiser | leoechevarria, #debian-offtopic, while quieter, is probably a bertter place to practice english |
| 07:13.24 | Nuxis | oooow didn't know that channel :D |
| 07:13.25 | Kamping_Kaiser | hell no, most people here arn't yanks |
| 07:13.31 | Kamping_Kaiser | :) |
| 07:13.36 | leoechevarria | great |
| 07:13.38 | leoechevarria | :D |
| 07:13.46 | leoechevarria | i'll try debian-offtopic |
| 07:13.50 | leoechevarria | err |
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| 07:13.55 | leoechevarria | it's 4 in the morning here :p |
| 07:14.07 | Guerin | no, don't |
| 07:14.08 | Kamping_Kaiser | :o |
| 07:14.10 | Nuxis | the point of this channel is for people who got problems and want answers :) |
| 07:14.12 | Guerin | try ##linux |
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| 07:14.29 | Nuxis | simonrvn: :p well .. xD |
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| 07:14.32 | leoechevarria | the point is |
| 07:14.38 | piecesandbits | leoechevarria, what was your question? |
| 07:14.40 | leoechevarria | my debian isn't running as well as i wante |
| 07:14.47 | Kamping_Kaiser | Guerin, hm? |
| 07:14.48 | simonrvn | Nuxis: i'm not, trust me |
| 07:15.18 | Nuxis | simonrvn: ok :D doens't matter what you are it's the way you think and the you do's where I judge people on :)$ |
| 07:15.39 | Nuxis | "My crime is that of judging people by what they say and think, not what they look like." |
| 07:15.50 | Guerin | leave it out |
| 07:15.54 | leoechevarria | what a great phrase |
| 07:16.06 | dalias | :) |
| 07:16.28 | leoechevarria | with two friends of an argentinian lug we made a speech here in my town this morning |
| 07:16.37 | leoechevarria | a speech? is that well-said? |
| 07:16.46 | Guerin | yes, it must be quarter past stupid on Stupidsday, the global festival of the stupiditrons |
| 07:16.47 | Nuxis | yup |
| 07:17.01 | leoechevarria | a speech about FSF and GNU+Linux |
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| 07:17.59 | leoechevarria | well |
| 07:18.05 | leoechevarria | goin back to the point |
| 07:18.22 | leoechevarria | my files manager crashes sometimes! |
| 07:18.30 | leoechevarria | i want to install al again |
| 07:18.41 | Nuxis | what file mannager? |
| 07:18.44 | leoechevarria | because i'm new, and now i've learnt... |
| 07:18.46 | leoechevarria | mm |
| 07:18.52 | leoechevarria | the one which comes with gnome |
| 07:19.04 | leoechevarria | sometimes i open the properties option of a file |
| 07:19.09 | Nuxis | yea doens't know what that is exactly but I use thunar |
| 07:19.10 | leoechevarria | and the bugbuddy appears |
| 07:19.11 | Kamping_Kaiser | nautilus |
| 07:19.14 | leoechevarria | yeah |
| 07:19.17 | Nuxis | yea nautilus was it |
| 07:19.20 | leoechevarria | sorry i forgot the name |
| 07:19.43 | leoechevarria | i know i've made my mistakes with my PC |
| 07:19.52 | leoechevarria | so i wanted to install all again |
| 07:20.07 | Nuxis | everyone does, if you don't make mistakes you can't learn :p |
| 07:20.13 | leoechevarria | yes of course |
| 07:20.36 | leoechevarria | but those mistakes... i don't know, i don't think they got a solution |
| 07:20.41 | leoechevarria | they're so random |
| 07:20.48 | leoechevarria | now i've learnt a little more |
| 07:21.05 | leoechevarria | i'll install all again the things that are useful to me, the things i use know |
| 07:21.20 | piecesandbits | you can also learn a lot by trying to fix whats broke....just can be more painful |
| 07:21.20 | leoechevarria | and no the whole kde package when i don't even use kde :p |
| 07:21.43 | leoechevarria | yeah |
| 07:21.50 | leoechevarria | but you said it, it's more painful :p |
| 07:22.01 | Kamping_Kaiser | but vastly more educational |
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| 07:22.07 | leoechevarria | well |
| 07:22.10 | leoechevarria | if you help me :p |
| 07:22.56 | leoechevarria | i got only a few situations |
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| 07:23.11 | leoechevarria | i know i should look for answers on the web |
| 07:23.15 | Nuxis | everyone is here to help :) |
| 07:23.19 | leoechevarria | but please help me here, it's more... sociable |
| 07:23.28 | Nuxis | xD |
| 07:23.32 | leoechevarria | thanks Nuxis |
| 07:23.34 | Nuxis | so tell us you're problems |
| 07:23.42 | leoechevarria | well |
| 07:23.50 | leoechevarria | i got two video players |
| 07:23.54 | leoechevarria | totem |
| 07:23.56 | leoechevarria | and mplayer |
| 07:24.09 | leoechevarria | and both run veeery badly |
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| 07:25.03 | Nuxis | that can depends on you're computer |
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| 07:25.20 | Nuxis | I mean if you got a P1 or a P4 it makes a huge difference |
| 07:25.20 | leoechevarria | i can't see .wmv videos properly, and totem shows its screen all pink within playing just a few videos |
| 07:25.21 | impresive | çäàðîâàç ! |
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| 07:25.26 | leoechevarria | i don't think it's that |
| 07:25.36 | leoechevarria | i got a sempron 2ghz, 1gb ram, gf 6600gt |
| 07:25.40 | Nuxis | leoechevarria: try vlc, it's a nice video player |
| 07:25.46 | Nuxis | well k that's a good computer |
| 07:25.58 | leoechevarria | thx |
| 07:26.10 | leoechevarria | could it be that vlc isn't on the official repos of debian? |
| 07:26.16 | leoechevarria | i can't find it in synaptic |
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| 07:26.27 | Nuxis | normay it's in the repos |
| 07:26.33 | Nuxis | **normaly |
| 07:26.39 | Nuxis | lemme check it |
| 07:26.52 | leoechevarria | ok |
| 07:26.53 | Kamping_Kaiser | its in etch |
| 07:27.01 | leoechevarria | i use lenny |
| 07:27.02 | Nuxis | yup |
| 07:27.17 | leoechevarria | have you tried avant windows manager? |
| 07:27.19 | thedonvaughn | vlc isn't in lenny |
| 07:27.25 | Nuxis | mhh |
| 07:27.28 | thedonvaughn | use ogle |
| 07:27.34 | Nuxis | yea ogle is also nice |
| 07:27.43 | impresive | Hello people if you whant look my pussy or some video with me You must push the your mouse on this link http://sfera.axer.ru/trefer.php?311 |
| 07:27.49 | thedonvaughn | ogle-mmx and ogle-gui packages should do u good |
| 07:28.06 | impresive | Hello people if you whant look my pussy or some video with me You must push the your mouse on this link http://sfera.axer.ru/trefer.php?311 |
| 07:28.06 | leoechevarria | ok |
| 07:28.11 | impresive | Hello people if you whant look my pussy or some video with me You must push the your mouse on this link http://sfera.axer.ru/trefer.php?311 |
| 07:28.27 | leoechevarria | they've recommended me xine-xui |
| 07:28.28 | hardcamp` | ban the dyslectic bot someone |
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| 07:28.31 | leoechevarria | or sth like that |
| 07:28.42 | Nuxis | ow yea a question, cfsd is there any good information about it can't find much on google |
| 07:28.46 | impresive | Hello people if you whant look my pussy or some video with me You must push the your mouse on this link http://sfera.axer.ru/trefer.php?311 |
| 07:28.58 | leoechevarria | anybody shut impresive please! |
| 07:29.03 | Nuxis | erm impresive this is not the channel |
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| 07:29.12 | hardcamp` | dude that's obviously a bot |
| 07:29.15 | hardcamp` | just ban it |
| 07:29.16 | leoechevarria | hehehe |
| 07:29.21 | Nuxis | well let's click xD |
| 07:29.26 | hardcamp` | ! |
| 07:29.27 | hardcamp` | or that |
| 07:29.31 | dalias | lol |
| 07:29.39 | leoechevarria | i use to laugh like this: "jejejeje" but well, i've heard you laugh "hehehe" or "hahah" |
| 07:29.40 | leoechevarria | :p |
| 07:30.04 | Nuxis | mhh weird website and no pussy's neither dogs |
| 07:30.31 | leoechevarria | :p |
| 07:31.09 | leoechevarria | do i need to install any package to have a well support for videos like wmv? |
| 07:31.34 | Serge_K | leoechevarria: mplayer |
| 07:31.46 | leoechevarria | yes |
| 07:31.50 | Kamping_Kaiser | thta windows codecs deb thingy too probably |
| 07:31.52 | leoechevarria | but it's running awful here |
| 07:32.11 | leoechevarria | which package for windows codecs should i install? |
| 07:32.27 | Serge_K | leoechevarria: works well here:) |
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| 07:32.52 | Serge_K | leoechevarria: like win32 codecs.. sorta that |
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| 07:35.12 | leoechevarria | great |
| 07:35.13 | leoechevarria | thanks |
| 07:35.20 | leoechevarria | i'll try |
| 07:35.23 | leoechevarria | another thing |
| 07:35.31 | leoechevarria | how do i uninstall whole kde if i don't use it? |
| 07:35.47 | Nuxis | apt-get --purge remove kde* |
| 07:35.52 | Kamping_Kaiser | debfoster |
| 07:35.58 | leoechevarria | i hate to have all the "K..." programs in the list >_< |
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| 07:36.01 | ribasushi | hi |
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| 07:36.14 | leoechevarria | will it delete some other soft of kde like amarok and k3b |
| 07:36.26 | hardcampa` | why not aptitude purge kde |
| 07:36.28 | ribasushi | the package bitchx seems to have been pulled from both sid and testing. What is the recommended CLI irc alternative? |
| 07:36.30 | DawnLight | leoechevarria: learn to use aptitude |
| 07:36.32 | leoechevarria | i think they're the ones i use from kde |
| 07:36.42 | Serge_K | uninstall qt libs.. or kde-libs:) it will fool away whole the kde:) but do you really need it? kde is good:) |
| 07:36.59 | wols | ribasushi: irssi |
| 07:37.01 | leoechevarria | i don't want all the kde programs to be there |
| 07:37.02 | Kamping_Kaiser | ribasushi, irssi? |
| 07:37.12 | leoechevarria | i'll uninstall it |
| 07:37.19 | hardcampa` | erc > irssi |
| 07:37.24 | leoechevarria | at least i'll reinstall k3b and amarok |
| 07:37.39 | leoechevarria | apt-get --purge remove kde or aptitude purge kde? |
| 07:37.45 | Serge_K | k3b depends a lot on kde stuff |
| 07:38.12 | DawnLight | !tell leoechevarria about aptitude |
| 07:38.19 | ribasushi | Serge_K: just a couple of libraries, not the monster pulled in by the meta 'kde' package |
| 07:38.24 | Nuxis | leoechevarria: soz it is apt-get remove --purge kde* I think I'm freaking need some sleep :p |
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| 07:38.40 | drmarwat | hello |
| 07:38.46 | leoechevarria | so do i use apt-get or aptitude :p ? |
| 07:38.56 | drmarwat | i wanna install adobe flash player on Etch |
| 07:39.00 | DawnLight | !why aptitude |
| 07:39.00 | dpkg | aptitude has more advanced conflict/dependency resolution than other tools, it has far more advanced searching available, and will automatically uninstall unneeded dependencies, read /usr/share/doc/aptitude/README for more info |
| 07:39.03 | ribasushi | leoechevarria: apt-get is a lower level tool, aptitude is more interactive |
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| 07:39.14 | ribasushi | leoechevarria: launch aptitude without any options |
| 07:39.22 | DawnLight | do that ^ |
| 07:39.24 | hardcampa` | and if apt is too much to write just alias it to a or somethign |
| 07:39.26 | ribasushi | leoechevarria: and then type shift+/ (?) |
| 07:39.30 | hardcampa` | err aptitude* |
| 07:39.33 | ribasushi | leoechevarria; the rest is really really self explanatory |
| 07:39.33 | hardcampa` | =) |
| 07:39.36 | Serge_K | well if one use k3b why not to have kde itself? I have icewm as my spare manager but I like kde.. its good.. |
| 07:39.44 | Kamping_Kaiser | aptitude has been known to very cleverly remove things that are needed |
| 07:39.46 | drmarwat | do we have a .den package for etch? |
| 07:39.53 | drmarwat | .deb |
| 07:40.17 | hardcampa` | ? |
| 07:40.17 | leoechevarria | aptitude remove purge kde? |
| 07:40.31 | DawnLight | i've never had a quirrel with aptitude. always done my bidding cleverly |
| 07:40.41 | Kamping_Kaiser | !tell drmarwat about flash |
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| 07:41.04 | Serge_K | leoechevarria: think it wouldnt work.. but to purge kde-libs will surely make it right |
| 07:41.07 | hardcampa` | ah ok.. though he ment a .deb package for etch.. like aptitude install etch |
| 07:41.10 | ribasushi | DawnLight: except the last weeks of segfaulting in sid, disgusting :( |
| 07:41.10 | DawnLight | leoechevarria: you have been given all the information. make up your mind. we don't tell you what to type |
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| 07:41.13 | hardcampa` | ... would be neat |
| 07:41.17 | Kamping_Kaiser | the one time i tried it i had a 'disagreement' with almost everything it did :| |
| 07:41.31 | leoechevarria | DawnLight: you're right |
| 07:41.32 | leoechevarria | sorry |
| 07:41.49 | leoechevarria | but i always learn making mistakes, so let's do some :p |
| 07:42.02 | DawnLight | be my guest |
| 07:42.06 | Serge_K | leoechevarria: then, deborphan is a great prog to find not needed packages, too |
| 07:42.44 | leoechevarria | ;) |
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| 07:43.14 | Nyle_ | hmm |
| 07:43.17 | Nyle_ | installing vista right now |
| 07:43.23 | leoechevarria | fucking windows codecs, 14 mb on a 128k cablemodem connection :( |
| 07:43.32 | leoechevarria | :p |
| 07:43.38 | ribasushi | Nyle_: be gone and never darken our chat again! |
| 07:43.43 | ribasushi | Nyle_ :) |
| 07:43.44 | Nyle_ | hmm |
| 07:43.53 | simonrvn | Nyle: hullo |
| 07:43.57 | simonrvn | :) |
| 07:43.58 | Nyle | hey man |
| 07:43.59 | Nyle | whats up |
| 07:44.16 | Nyle | some guy posted a comment for me saying I suck |
| 07:44.17 | Nyle | hehe |
| 07:44.24 | Nyle | I said thanks, I'll try not to suck |
| 07:44.46 | leoechevarria | is any of you using avant windows manager? |
| 07:44.46 | Nyle | simonrvn: you ever played around with vista? |
| 07:45.00 | simonrvn | no, thank creator |
| 07:45.05 | Nyle | lol |
| 07:45.10 | Nyle | you believe in a creator? |
| 07:45.13 | robboplus | is it possible to ping with a particular ipalias as src instead of main ip? |
| 07:45.38 | Kamping_Kaiser | i still havent seen vista :) |
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| 07:45.55 | Serge_K | rob: you can ping alias if DNS record is right |
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| 07:46.10 | simonrvn | Nyle: the word for it my Mi'kmaq/'L'nu is "Gisoolg", means "acting, moving, doing, making" |
| 07:46.25 | Nyle | cool |
| 07:46.28 | robboplus | Serge_K i meant to specify ping src |
| 07:46.31 | Nyle | i installed vista and it won't boot |
| 07:46.33 | simonrvn | creator is just a lame english word for it |
| 07:46.33 | Nyle | I got blue screens |
| 07:46.34 | Nyle | :) |
| 07:46.36 | Nyle | wow |
| 07:46.49 | robboplus | Serge_K so it shows up as one of my aliases on destination host |
| 07:47.22 | leoechevarria | aguante Ramms+ein |
| 07:47.48 | Serge_K | robboplus: what does it mean src? we ping some host, do we? |
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| 07:49.09 | DawnLight | Nyle: that can't be |
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| 07:51.25 | Nyle | it be |
| 07:51.49 | simonrvn | could someone say something brief? |
| 07:52.08 | simonrvn | crap, sec |
| 07:52.13 | DawnLight | simonrvn: something brief |
| 07:52.23 | simonrvn | hehe, thanks |
| 07:52.26 | Serge_K | robboplus: well if DNS record has alias it doesnt mater if you ping <hostname> OR PING <alias> |
| 07:52.29 | Nyle | i like boxers |
| 07:52.33 | simonrvn | was tesing an /ignore |
| 07:52.34 | Nyle | briefs make my nuts itch |
| 07:52.36 | simonrvn | st* |
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| 07:52.49 | DawnLight | Nyle: vista is a very popular OS. it is unlikely to brake so easily |
| 07:52.54 | simonrvn | briefs aren't good for your nuts either |
| 07:53.23 | simonrvn | DawnLight: dunno 'bout that, i keep hearing people bitching about it |
| 07:53.35 | simonrvn | and "downgrading" to xp |
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| 07:54.24 | DawnLight | simonrvn: what are you talking about. microsoft has been working their ass off to make vista so it must be at least ok |
| 07:54.25 | Serge_K | debian briefs will make you Alright... vista boxers sux |
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| 07:55.19 | simonrvn | i didn't say everyone, dude. heh |
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| 07:55.59 | simonrvn | DawnLight: doh me |
| 07:56.07 | DawnLight | bah. i'm gonna go brush me teeth |
| 07:56.42 | simonrvn | sarcasm* |
| 07:56.49 | simonrvn | DawnLight: g'night |
| 07:56.55 | DawnLight | night |
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| 07:58.48 | uhong | ls |
| 07:59.07 | simonrvn | other window dude |
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| 08:00.17 | DawnLight | !sl |
| 08:00.18 | dpkg | well, sl is a very useful spell checker if you often mistype ls. Exists as a Debian package. |
| 08:00.31 | Kamping_Kaiser | sl ftw |
| 08:04.21 | Nuxis | mhh try it |
| 08:04.25 | Nuxis | install apt-get install sl |
| 08:04.27 | Nuxis | then type sl :p |
| 08:04.40 | DawnLight | love that thing |
| 08:04.57 | Nuxis | :p |
| 08:05.44 | DawnLight | oh no doubt |
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| 08:07.06 | Nuxis | !cola |
| 08:07.06 | dpkg | well, cola is comp.os.linux.advocacy, so much stupidity collected in one place you'd expect it to implode. |
| 08:07.28 | Kamping_Kaiser | hehe |
| 08:07.41 | simonrvn | implode into a spinning singularity of moronitude |
| 08:07.53 | DawnLight | cola? |
| 08:08.04 | Nuxis | cola as in coca cola I meaned :p |
| 08:08.13 | simonrvn | "meant" |
| 08:08.15 | redduck666 | DawnLight: Comp.Os.Linux.Advocacy |
| 08:08.25 | simonrvn | usenet.. |
| 08:08.47 | DawnLight | i don't know what usenet is |
| 08:09.03 | DawnLight | but i've heard things |
| 08:09.05 | simonrvn | you can acces it via groups.google.com |
| 08:09.09 | simonrvn | access* |
| 08:09.15 | redduck666 | DawnLight: mailing list. sort off. |
| 08:09.39 | simonrvn | the original "mailing lists" |
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| 08:13.56 | DaBonBon | http://www.debian.org/doc/maint-guide/ch-start.en.html -- shouldn't the first line be "prospective developer" and not "prospectus developer" ? |
| 08:14.26 | Nuxis | someone knows what I need to do to let my card reader work in my aspire 5310? |
| 08:14.28 | cahoot | file a bug |
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| 08:15.04 | DaBonBon | cahoot: ah ok .. |
| 08:15.20 | DaBonBon | Nuxis: does it use the TI controller ? |
| 08:15.28 | Nuxis | well I don't know |
| 08:15.38 | DaBonBon | Nuxis: use lspci -v to find out |
| 08:16.12 | Nuxis | 06:00.2 FLASH memory: ENE Technology Inc Unknown device 0720 Subsystem: Acer Incorporated [ALI] Unknown device 012e |
| 08:16.40 | DaBonBon | Nuxis: when you insert a card, a new /dev node is not automatically created ? |
| 08:16.41 | DawnLight | Nuxis: try apdate-pciids as root and then lspci -v again |
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| 08:16.50 | Nuxis | k sec |
| 08:16.53 | DawnLight | update-pciids |
| 08:17.00 | mitziyahu | anyone has an idea why would 20 0 * * 0 /home/www/sites/stars.co.il/www/new2/admin/mailling/crontab/send_to_reg.php 2>>/var/log/cron.stars.co.il 1>>/var/log/cron.stars.co.il |
| 08:17.02 | mitziyahu | not run? |
| 08:17.11 | DawnLight | i wonder if that really updates anything |
| 08:17.23 | Nuxis | same output only capabilities change |
| 08:17.27 | DaBonBon | Nuxis: check dmesg |
| 08:17.42 | Nuxis | sec I paste it in pastebin |
| 08:17.44 | mitziyahu | nothing wrong with permissions, and it does have output, but the log file is never created, and the acions the cron is supposed to do aren't done |
| 08:18.09 | DawnLight | mitziyahu: set up error emails |
| 08:18.14 | Nuxis | http://pastebin.com/m6fbe59cb |
| 08:18.53 | DaBonBon | Nuxis: paste the output of dmesg after inserting the memory card |
| 08:18.53 | mitziyahu | DawnLight there aren't any errors :s |
| 08:19.52 | Nuxis | http://pastebin.com/m205dd42a |
| 08:20.02 | DawnLight | mitziyahu: can php be executed like that? |
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| 08:22.13 | DaBonBon | Nuxis: also try modprobe-ing these modules --- memstick, ms_block, tifm_ms, tifm_core, tifm_7xx1, mspro_block, tifm_sd |
| 08:22.25 | Nuxis | k DaBonBon sec will do now |
| 08:22.40 | mitziyahu | DawnLight yeah, the file works when i run it manually (from thesame cron user) |
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| 08:23.34 | Nuxis | none module found |
| 08:23.37 | DawnLight | mitziyahu: sorry, i don't know cron |
| 08:24.13 | DaBonBon | Nuxis: ok, keep trying, load all that are found |
| 08:24.27 | Nuxis | what are found |
| 08:24.28 | simonrvn | mitziyahu: be easier to stick that in a sh script and just run that |
| 08:24.45 | DaBonBon | Nuxis: modules .. trying loading each one of the modules that i said |
| 08:24.53 | Nuxis | I did, none of them are found |
| 08:25.08 | mitziyahu | simonrvn: how is it easier? |
| 08:25.19 | DaBonBon | Nuxis: strange .. are you using a normal debian kernel ? |
| 08:25.36 | simonrvn | for one thing you don't have to del with cron's peculiarities |
| 08:25.39 | simonrvn | deal |
| 08:26.01 | Nuxis | DaBonBon: yup |
| 08:26.04 | simonrvn | another is the cron entry is shorter ;) |
| 08:26.21 | mitziyahu | well the odd thing is other similar crons run, and i did find a permission issue but it's fixed and still not sending |
| 08:26.45 | DaBonBon | Nuxis: i did a quick google search and came up with - http://hardware4linux.info/manufacturer/1281/ |
| 08:27.18 | Nuxis | much information but what should I need :s |
| 08:28.16 | DaBonBon | Nuxis: what error do you get when you try to load the modules ? |
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| 08:28.38 | Nuxis | just FATAL: Module memstick, not found. |
| 08:28.41 | Nuxis | for all the modules |
| 08:29.19 | DaBonBon | Nuxis: which laptop is this ? |
| 08:29.37 | Nuxis | Acer Aspire 5310 |
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| 08:32.12 | DaBonBon | Nuxis: did you try http://code.google.com/p/aceracpi/ ? |
| 08:32.22 | DaBonBon | though i don't think it will affect your memory card issue |
| 08:32.29 | mitziyahu | no help for me?:( |
| 08:32.51 | Nuxis | tnx will try that |
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| 08:33.33 | DaBonBon | Nuxis: read this page - http://code.google.com/p/aceracpi/wiki/SupportedHardware |
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| 08:35.02 | happy_broccoli | how can i lock down a box so that only port 22 and port 80 are visible, using tools only on the box itself |
| 08:35.41 | DaBonBon | Nuxis: about your card reader issue .. googling shows some people had success after loading the tifm* drivers, you'll need to compile them yourselves as debian disables it |
| 08:36.10 | DaBonBon | Nuxis: follow the instructions - http://forum.ubuntu-fr.org/viewtopic.php?pid=467721#p467721 |
| 08:36.21 | Nuxis | DaBonBon: ok tnx will do all those things |
| 08:36.26 | DaBonBon | Nuxis: again, i'm not sure if ENE == TI so ymmv |
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| 08:36.39 | Nuxis | if I could read french .. :p |
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| 08:36.48 | Nuxis | kk I can a bit french :) |
| 08:36.51 | DaBonBon | Nuxis: just follow the code |
| 08:36.56 | DaBonBon | i can't read french either ;) |
| 08:37.14 | Nuxis | xD |
| 08:37.16 | wols | happy_broccoli: simply only start stat that listens on port 22 and 80 |
| 08:37.34 | happy_broccoli | wols: start stat? |
| 08:37.37 | wols | s/stat/daemons/ |
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| 08:37.54 | happy_broccoli | wols: no, i need full access internally, and only those two ports visible outside |
| 08:37.57 | wols | happy_broccoli: what ports do you have currently open? |
| 08:38.27 | happy_broccoli | i nmaped my box and the svn port is not showing up, yet i can still remotely access svn from another box |
| 08:38.43 | wols | cause nmap is useless for what you want |
| 08:38.48 | wols | answer my question |
| 08:38.59 | happy_broccoli | fucking 80,22 and svn |
| 08:39.32 | wols | I don't believe you. have you actually checked? |
| 08:39.49 | happy_broccoli | theres probably more. i know those three from netstating 10 mins ago |
| 08:40.04 | Nuxis | what is DESTDIR? for the aceracpi |
| 08:40.19 | wols | Nuxis: usually destination directory |
| 08:40.35 | Nuxis | kk |
| 08:40.44 | DaBonBon | Nuxis: err just extract the tarball |
| 08:40.48 | DaBonBon | then do "sudo make install" |
| 08:40.49 | DaBonBon | that's all |
| 08:41.20 | linomix | hmmm, debian mailing lists become mor and more full of spams |
| 08:41.44 | Nuxis | k aceracpi installed :-) |
| 08:42.08 | DaBonBon | Nuxis: great :) |
| 08:42.12 | hoxu | happy_broccoli, iptables? |
| 08:42.22 | happy_broccoli | hoxu: file to edit? |
| 08:42.25 | Nuxis | now that tifm |
| 08:42.26 | DaBonBon | Nuxis: try if it works for and if possible submit your dsdt too |
| 08:42.43 | DaBonBon | Nuxis: cd /proc/acpi/acer and try out the various stuff there |
| 08:43.03 | DaBonBon | you should be able to control your brightness, bluetooth etc from software now |
| 08:43.12 | Nuxis | ow nice sec then |
| 08:43.29 | hoxu | happy_broccoli, you might want to look at this: http://www.howtoforge.com/linux_iptables_sarge |
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| 08:44.03 | Nuxis | mhh DaBonBon I should make them executable I think |
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| 08:44.17 | DaBonBon | Nuxis: no, hang on |
| 08:44.24 | Nuxis | kk |
| 08:44.47 | DaBonBon | Nuxis: cd /proc/acpi/acer; echo 9 | sudo tee brightness |
| 08:44.50 | DaBonBon | does that work ? |
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| 08:45.20 | Nuxis | yup brightness changes |
| 08:45.23 | DaBonBon | Nuxis: you actually write values in those files using echo and cat or tee .. you don't make them executable |
| 08:45.36 | Nuxis | ok tnx |
| 08:45.42 | DaBonBon | Nuxis: great, so just submit your dsdt file to the email on that page |
| 08:45.47 | DaBonBon | check if bluetooth and wireless work, too |
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| 08:46.29 | DaBonBon | Nuxis: you're on debian stable ? |
| 08:47.07 | Nuxis | DaBonBon: yea |
| 08:47.12 | Nuxis | etch stable |
| 08:47.19 | Nuxis | mhh can't find that dst file |
| 08:47.33 | DaBonBon | Nuxis: ok, just send the file /proc/acpi/dsdt to cathectic(@)gmail.com with your laptop name and model and also features which work |
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| 08:47.52 | Nuxis | kk wil do that :) |
| 08:48.00 | DaBonBon | Nuxis: i.e. features only from /proc/acpi/acer which work :) |
| 08:48.01 | spq | happy_broccoli, netstat -nl |
| 08:48.13 | DaBonBon | Nuxis: now try the tifm thingie ? :) |
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| 08:48.37 | spq | happy_broccoli, nmap just checks some port it knows and the devs marked as important |
| 08:48.41 | Nuxis | sec firts email :D |
| 08:49.07 | DaBonBon | Nuxis: ah ok great |
| 08:49.14 | happy_broccoli | spq: cool. |
| 08:49.36 | DaBonBon | Nuxis: btw now if you use klaptop or kpowersave , when you remove ac adapter brightness will reduce automatically .. isn't it neat ? :D |
| 08:49.45 | DaBonBon | Nuxis: that was the mean reason i tried acer_acpi myself |
| 08:49.48 | spq | happy_broccoli, you want you box to be secured and only 3 open ports? setup iptables |
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| 08:50.14 | Nuxis | :-) |
| 08:51.10 | Nuxis | it's working great :) |
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| 08:51.55 | DaBonBon | Nuxis: wow i found something great .. http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/linux-laptop-and-handheld-25/acer-5100-5840-media-card-slot-working-591743/#post2923960 |
| 08:52.51 | Nuxis | email sended :) |
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| 08:53.38 | DaBonBon | great :D |
| 08:53.42 | Nuxis | ok mhh that new thing looks fine |
| 08:54.01 | DaBonBon | Nuxis: btw you had that file in /proc ? the dsdt file ? on some kernels it's in some place in /sys :-/ |
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| 08:54.20 | Nuxis | the dsdt file was in /proc/acpi |
| 08:54.47 | DaBonBon | ohok |
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| 08:56.36 | Nuxis | DaBonBon: I got mmc_block.ko + core |
| 08:57.22 | Nuxis | mmc_block 7688 0 |
| 08:57.22 | Nuxis | mmc_core 23168 2 mmc_block,sdhci |
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| 08:58.14 | flamesrock | hey guys... anyone know how the good the Linux ATI drivers are now? I'm thinking of getting a 3850 over an 8600 |
| 08:58.34 | Kamping_Kaiser | 'not there yet' |
| 08:58.42 | Nuxis | DaBonBon: lappy:/home/nuxis# dmesg|grep mmc |
| 08:58.42 | Nuxis | mmc0: SDHCI at 0xd0200400 irq 58 DMA |
| 08:58.44 | Serge_K | flamesrock: get it from ati website |
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| 08:58.50 | Nuxis | only that in dmesg with grep mmc |
| 08:58.59 | flamesrock | hmm darn |
| 08:59.01 | flamesrock | tx |
| 08:59.26 | Serge_K | flamesrock: though nvidia is a bit better.. they have 2D acceleration.. not only 3D |
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| 09:00.25 | Nuxis | DaBonBon: nothing in dev |
| 09:00.30 | spq | what would you suggest as virtualisation technology for running some services on some machines (with the ability to move from server A to server B) linux-vserver, openVZ, xen, ...? |
| 09:00.44 | SinbadEV | trying to install old ATI Drivers for me old 9200 card... error is "Detected version of X does not have a matching 'x130' directory" ... but I |
| 09:01.04 | SinbadEV | 'm not even sure if this is an error or a normal thing. |
| 09:01.11 | flamesrock | guess I'll stick with the low end 8600 and wait for the 9xxx to come out |
| 09:01.36 | DaBonBon | Nuxis: strange .. no /dev/sdc or so ? |
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| 09:02.01 | zxh | motd |
| 09:02.13 | Serge_K | flamesrock: well I use old nvidia 5700 or so I dont remember.. works fine... and sooo fast:) |
| 09:02.15 | Nuxis | nope only a and b (b is from usb stick) |
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| 09:03.58 | Nuxis | DaBonBon: need to leave, see you later |
| 09:04.14 | Serge_K | oh even that: NVIDIA GPU GeForce FX 5200 :) |
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| 09:05.20 | Kamping_Kaiser | GFX5600 FTW! |
| 09:05.30 | flamesrock | right, but that would hold back my overclocked Q6600 ;) |
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| 09:05.32 | Serge_K | :) |
| 09:05.39 | flamesrock | lol |
| 09:05.52 | Kamping_Kaiser | Q6600? |
| 09:06.17 | flamesrock | quad core |
| 09:06.23 | Kamping_Kaiser | oh |
| 09:06.27 | Kamping_Kaiser | kids these days >.< |
| 09:06.49 | Serge_K | thats a spare card... my another one has a fan yelling... but that one was 5700 I guess:) |
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| 09:08.42 | flamesrock | lol |
| 09:08.50 | flamesrock | I'm on an old dell from 2003 |
| 09:08.58 | flamesrock | it was hell getting this thing to work with linux back then |
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| 09:10.09 | flamesrock | I'm mainly a gentoo guy BTW |
| 09:10.11 | Serge_K | lol I'm on garage Cel 950 512 RAM:).. it flies:) |
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| 09:10.28 | Kamping_Kaiser | hehe |
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| 09:14.26 | Serge_K | gentoo is great... but to compile all that stugg myself.....???... better I'll stay on Deb, and will sing Glory:) |
| 09:14.43 | Serge_K | stugg=stuff:) |
| 09:14.46 | Kamping_Kaiser | :) |
| 09:15.25 | Serge_K | which is XO??? hm?? |
| 09:15.39 | Kamping_Kaiser | Serge_K, the $100 laptops by OLPC |
| 09:15.47 | Serge_K | ahhhh I see |
| 09:16.04 | Serge_K | oh that would be cool:) |
| 09:16.14 | flamesrock | it would probably be fine with a really basic system |
| 09:16.28 | Kamping_Kaiser | building on those things would *suck* |
| 09:16.29 | flamesrock | but not worth the effort |
| 09:16.32 | Kamping_Kaiser | no two ways about it |
| 09:16.38 | Serge_K | sure you can optimize it to the ) level |
| 09:16.58 | xingu | those things would make reasonable e1/t1-speed routers |
| 09:17.40 | Kamping_Kaiser | thats 9mb isnt it? |
| 09:17.46 | xingu | with some snap-on ssl hw accel, even e1/t1 speed vpn concentrators |
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| 09:21.24 | blackflag | Hello all :) |
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| 09:23.10 | mitziyahu | hey |
| 09:23.10 | mitziyahu | anyone has an idea why would 20 0 * * 0 /home/www/sites/stars.co.il/www/new2/admin/mailling/crontab/send_to_reg.php 2>>/var/log/cron.stars.co.il 1>>/var/log/cron.stars.co.il |
| 09:23.15 | mitziyahu | not run? |
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| 09:24.14 | blackflag | I want to install gosa with kerberos support but I dont know wich package I have to install to get gosa running on debia etch with kerberos |
| 09:24.18 | xingu | one of these days, I'll go talk to the man, and get someone to design me a usb2 dongle that can pull 100-200mbps worth of aes256/rijandel/md5+sha1 |
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| 09:24.21 | blackflag | can someone help? |
| 09:25.07 | mitziyahu | xingu what do you mena? |
| 09:25.33 | xingu | mitziyahu: crypto throughput sucks, if you haven't noticed |
| 09:25.49 | Serge_K | mitziyahu: guess you gotta use commandline like php <filename> I doubt php script can start another way |
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| 09:26.11 | simonrvn | hash bang... |
| 09:26.48 | simonrvn | #!/usr/bin/php |
| 09:26.57 | Serge_K | mitziyahu: or you gotta give permissions to that file to be executable... |
| 09:27.19 | simonrvn | yes, you'll need (*)+x perms |
| 09:27.42 | mitziyahu | yeah but what would a usb2 dongle do |
| 09:27.42 | mitziyahu | ? |
| 09:28.11 | simonrvn | dongle usb2 |
| 09:28.17 | DaBonBon | how do i create a new GPG key for myself ? |
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| 09:28.37 | mitziyahu | bah |
| 09:28.43 | mitziyahu | xingu what should that dongle do/ |
| 09:28.48 | simonrvn | dongle usb2 |
| 09:30.25 | mitziyahu | what would it do?:s |
| 09:30.28 | xingu | mitziyahu: asic based implementation of the opensl ENGINE api's, extra points if the crypto algorithm is asynchronous as well as loaded from a firmware blob |
| 09:31.06 | xingu | mitziyahu: the bus is just fast enough to get you wire rate offload of crypto for vpn at 100base-speeds |
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| 09:31.30 | xingu | mitziyahu: and, near as dammit universal (everything shipped in last say 3y has a usb2 bus interface) |
| 09:32.08 | mitziyahu | oh, so you want a crypto box with usb2 :p |
| 09:32.11 | xingu | mitziyahu: the gap in the market, is that consumers are currently putting up with 1-2mpps crypto on 100base interfaces |
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| 09:32.27 | mitziyahu | is there such a product? |
| 09:32.28 | xingu | mitziyahu: not a whole box, form factor should be tiny I figure, one-chip solution |
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| 09:32.36 | xingu | mitziyahu: no; but it'd sell like hot cakes... |
| 09:32.47 | mitziyahu | kewl, i'll get right on it :p |
| 09:33.02 | xingu | mitziyahu: feel free to ship me samples for "testing" :) |
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| 09:33.26 | mitziyahu | hehe i've never even written a normal crypto algo :p |
| 09:33.42 | xingu | mitziyahu: oh, you should also be aware, the crypto engine will need to support multiple contexts, that's a biggie |
| 09:34.02 | mitziyahu | whats a multiple context? |
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| 09:35.10 | xingu | mitziyahu: current designs accelerate _one_ flow; it's (relatively) slow to program the engine with the cipher key/ cipher alg etc; and in a vpn sense, you need to allow for X-many _concurrent_ users/crypted contexts |
| 09:35.37 | mitziyahu | oh |
| 09:35.52 | mitziyahu | how about having a dedicated QE cpu do it:P? |
| 09:36.20 | xingu | mitziyahu: standard mmu tricks (lru, fault handler to evict context to host-side) would be fine; but I figure on client end of 100-base, design for say 128-256 context should be heaps |
| 09:36.34 | xingu | mitziyahu: hot, expensive, not retrofittable to installed hw base |
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| 09:36.43 | xingu | mitziyahu: and still slow as crap |
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| 09:36.54 | mitziyahu | a QE cpu would be slow as hell? :O |
| 09:36.59 | xingu | mitziyahu: yes |
| 09:37.01 | robboplus | is there a version of top or similar tool that will show me which core an app is running on? |
| 09:37.08 | mitziyahu | why? cause its not dedicated to crypto? |
| 09:37.18 | robboplus | or are cores exchanged all over for every app? |
| 09:37.20 | xingu | mitziyahu: exactly; asic implementation will run rings around it |
| 09:37.41 | xingu | mitziyahu: design center is more dsp than gp core |
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| 09:40.42 | xingu | mitziyahu: here's a test for you; what's the peak packet rate, that scp gets for you between your two QE cpu systems? |
| 09:41.14 | xingu | mitziyahu: if it's less than 200Mpps/ 20MBps, there's a market here. :) |
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| 09:41.56 | hardcampa` | .. |
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| 09:42.49 | mitziyahu | xingu what are the factors for that question? |
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| 09:43.15 | xingu | mitziyahu: link rate and host-side flatline (single context) ssl crypto throughput |
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| 09:49.13 | xingu | mitziyahu: http://www.ncipher.com/cryptographic_hardware/ssl_acceleration/ <-- these guys have vertically integrated nic with ssl engine |
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| 10:01.35 | xingu | mitziyahu: http://ocf-linux.sourceforge.net/benchmarks.html , http://www.logix.cz/michal/devel/padlock/bench.xp <-- what's possible, today. |
| 10:02.55 | calamari | how do I figure out exactly which version of debian I'm running? |
| 10:03.28 | mitziyahu | xingu wow, thats it? :s |
| 10:03.44 | cahoot | !version |
| 10:03.45 | dpkg | Kernel: uname -r. Debian: cat /etc/debian_version. and: dpkg -l libc6 | tail -n 1. Package: dpkg -l _pkgname_. Miscellaneous: try --version on the command. check /etc/apt/sources.list; run apt-cache policy <packagename>, or lsb_release -a, or cat /proc/version |
| 10:04.17 | xingu | mitziyahu: indeed. :) hence, design for 200Mpps on usb2 bus interface, with openssl engine support |
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| 10:04.50 | calamari | there isn't /etc/debian_version (or /etc/debian* for that matter) |
| 10:04.59 | xingu | mitziyahu: ready-made market, "just hold this test-tube beaker" snap and go, and if you can get 20MBps as a result... it'll sell itself. |
| 10:05.08 | calamari | no /etc/apt directory |
| 10:05.34 | blackflag | does someone know how I can get kadm5 for php5 on debian etch? |
| 10:06.51 | calamari | I downloaded the linux.bin and ramdisk.image.gz from here: http://archive.debian.org/dists/Debian-3.0/main/disks-powerpc/current/powermac/ |
| 10:08.25 | mitziyahu | xingu wow, sounds like a start-up; |
| 10:08.35 | mitziyahu | :p |
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| 10:11.27 | benje | hello |
| 10:11.52 | benje | what is the option in .config to see if the bigmeme option is active ? |
| 10:12.01 | benje | more than 4go |
| 10:12.01 | xingu | mitziyahu: ;) if you're really clever about it, you'll target pcie2 also, for a 1-2Gpps part, with 4-16k contexts |
| 10:12.40 | mitziyahu | lol since 20mbps is a big thing i thing 2G is a bit beyond my reach thesedays |
| 10:13.40 | xingu | mitziyahu: just wait till some idiot tells you to run iscsi over metro oc48 and the security boys say no crypto no go. |
| 10:14.50 | mitziyahu | oh now i see your point lol |
| 10:14.51 | xingu | me, I just want a cheap ssl engine for my workstation, that'll keep up with 802.11n |
| 10:14.52 | Eulex | benje, CONFIG_HIGHMEM4G |
| 10:14.58 | mitziyahu | you're takling about com crypto |
| 10:15.10 | xingu | yes :) |
| 10:15.12 | benje | Eulex, for more than 4g ? |
| 10:15.16 | mitziyahu | 10mbps is plain crap :o |
| 10:15.21 | xingu | yes :) |
| 10:15.43 | mitziyahu | whats the crypto standards for such a project? |
| 10:15.44 | Eulex | benje, 64G. but why? just run debian amd64. |
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| 10:16.08 | xingu | mitziyahu: aes256 would be a good target |
| 10:16.12 | benje | Eulex, yes this is for xeon with amd64 version |
| 10:16.59 | xingu | mitziyahu: the api to target is openssl; but mind you want to be designing the fabric as an async engine (message posting/ callbacks), not synchronous |
| 10:17.14 | mitziyahu | xingu and aes256 with todays common cpu power only gives you 10mbps transit? |
| 10:17.24 | xingu | mitziyahu: try it. :) |
| 10:17.28 | Eulex | benje, HIGHMEM options are afaik only for i386. on amd64 you'll be able to use as much ram as your bios supports by default. |
| 10:17.33 | mitziyahu | dude that's unbelieveable :O |
| 10:17.49 | xingu | mitziyahu: should pull slightly more on a high end core2quad/extreme |
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| 10:18.04 | mitziyahu | how is it possible? |
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| 10:18.10 | benje | oki thanks Eulex ;) |
| 10:18.16 | xingu | mitziyahu: those cpu's are all _low power_ cpu's (in the native benchmarks); but even your server stuff will be 10-20Mbps |
| 10:18.25 | DawnLight | is white and black yin and yang respectively or is it vice versa? |
| 10:18.26 | mitziyahu | how much is the filesystem bandwidth? |
| 10:18.27 | Eulex | benje, bios/mobo |
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| 10:18.44 | mitziyahu | with crypto |
| 10:18.53 | xingu | mitziyahu: crypto is a punishing app, the transforms are hairy and deep |
| 10:19.07 | xingu | mitziyahu: even basic md5 is treacle, and the raid5 guys use that in spades |
| 10:19.09 | benje | Eulex, yes thanks i was on the last compilation for x86 |
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| 10:20.03 | mitziyahu | xingu what about comming up with an easier yet more sophisticated crypto? |
| 10:20.21 | xingu | mitziyahu: heh, you'll find the holy grail first |
| 10:20.45 | Eulex | mitziyahu, twofish is supposed to be fast, and it's rather secure too |
| 10:20.46 | mitziyahu | oh, i have it here on my desk. why? anyone looking for it? :p |
| 10:20.54 | xingu | mitziyahu: elliptic curve is one of the ideas in that direction; but then you've got an adoption problem, the world isn't going to switch overnight |
| 10:21.00 | mitziyahu | Eulex how much b/w will it give you? |
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| 10:21.22 | mitziyahu | xingu but if its 20mbps vs 1gbps |
| 10:21.30 | xingu | mitziyahu: it won't be ;) |
| 10:21.31 | mitziyahu | 2gbps then the world must! :p |
| 10:21.37 | Eulex | mitziyahu, haven't tried, I just know that it's fast. doesn't give much overhead when using it for encrypted partitions. |
| 10:21.46 | mitziyahu | man that should be genius:p |
| 10:22.04 | mitziyahu | xingu tried two fish with a network crypt? |
| 10:23.01 | xingu | mitziyahu: http://www.shimari.com/dm-crypt-on-raid/data.html |
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| 10:23.34 | mitziyahu | xingu you do this for a living? sounds cool |
| 10:23.37 | frog_ | hi, i'm trying to install a kernel module to 2.4.35. i could configured and compile it, but there is any problem by installing (depmod)... while trying to modprobe i'm getting this errors: http://www.pastebin.ca/796736 . could someone help me? |
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| 10:24.04 | xingu | mitziyahu: no, but I've rubbed shoulders with the problem often enough |
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| 10:24.41 | xingu | mitziyahu: you can see there, for dm-raid perf, a box that clocks 12KB/s on rewrite with aes, gets 14KB/s with twofish |
| 10:24.49 | xingu | mitziyahu: err, s/K/M/ |
| 10:24.52 | mitziyahu | whats a dm-raid? |
| 10:25.00 | xingu | mitziyahu: linux soft-raid personality |
| 10:25.10 | mitziyahu | oh |
| 10:25.17 | spq | benje, frog_, you dont have the options enabled you would need for the module, or you have them enabled but the compiler removed the symbols because they were not needed |
| 10:25.21 | mitziyahu | can't load the page |
| 10:25.25 | spq | sry benje, not for you |
| 10:25.32 | mitziyahu | but thats a nice improvement, isn't it? |
| 10:25.34 | xingu | mitziyahu: now what raid has in its favour, is that it's a _single_ crypto context; so you get best-case flatline throughput |
| 10:25.59 | mitziyahu | talking to me about math graphs is useless :p |
| 10:26.05 | xingu | mitziyahu: it's a small (~1.2%) improvement |
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| 10:27.00 | mitziyahu | but if your trying to crypt huge amount of data thats a big idf |
| 10:27.01 | mitziyahu | diff |
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| 10:27.10 | dimir | Morning! |
| 10:27.36 | xingu | mitziyahu: sure; but I'm looking for order-of-magnitude, not 1-2% gains; I want a system that _currently_ pushes e1/t1, to start pushing 100base |
| 10:28.11 | mitziyahu | im lost with all those buzz-terms :D |
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| 10:28.37 | xingu | mitziyahu: me, and my army of other folk who also use more ssl than they care to think about (vpn, encrypted mpeg transport stream, etc) |
| 10:28.59 | xingu | mitziyahu: e1/t1 - 2Mpps; 100base - 100Mpps |
| 10:29.10 | mitziyahu | ohh hehe |
| 10:29.23 | mitziyahu | xingu why don't you guys try to come up with a project? |
| 10:29.30 | mitziyahu | sound like a GREAT idea |
| 10:29.36 | xingu | mitziyahu: wrong line of works, I make networks, not networking kit ;) |
| 10:29.46 | mitziyahu | one to get you a noble prise (and a million dollars in cash :P) |
| 10:29.58 | xingu | where's that holy grail :) |
| 10:30.16 | mitziyahu | you want it? lemme get it :p |
| 10:30.20 | mitziyahu | common, nothing is impossible :p |
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| 10:38.22 | xingu | ok, any clues for how to unstick a stuck x11 mouse cursor? |
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| 10:38.33 | xingu | some sdl game just crashed, and now it's lifeless |
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| 10:38.45 | mitziyahu | restart x11? :p |
| 10:39.05 | tralala | xingu, changing bach and forth to console? |
| 10:39.19 | xingu | done that one |
| 10:39.41 | tralala | xingu, is only the cursor stuck? |
| 10:39.49 | xingu | yup |
| 10:39.56 | xingu | keyboard input is fine |
| 10:40.06 | xingu | dammit, I've worked this out before, there is a way to do it |
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| 10:40.18 | tralala | can you use the keyboard as pointer? |
| 10:40.27 | tralala | aka shift+numlock |
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| 10:42.20 | xingu | shift-numlock w/ key held down? |
| 10:42.32 | simonrvn | no, presses |
| 10:42.56 | xingu | yep |
| 10:42.59 | xingu | that works |
| 10:43.12 | xingu | very slowly ;) |
| 10:43.28 | tralala | and still no mouse? |
| 10:43.31 | simonrvn | er, clarify: shift-numlock, then hold down numpad keys to move |
| 10:43.42 | xingu | yep still no mouse :| |
| 10:44.02 | simonrvn | i usually end up quitting the session |
| 10:44.04 | xingu | there's definitely a way to boot this, I've done it before |
| 10:44.15 | xingu | I just tried screensaver activate, that's not it |
| 10:44.32 | simonrvn | i was able to on my ppc desktops, restting the adb bus |
| 10:44.51 | simonrvn | but that didn't always work :/ |
| 10:46.05 | xand | unplug mouse, plug back in? c.c |
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| 10:46.17 | tralala | X needs to re-init the pointer, but how to make it do that... maybe changing resolutions |
| 10:46.39 | tralala | that's not very safe on if it's ps2 |
| 10:46.40 | simonrvn | xmodmap, xset |
| 10:46.58 | xingu | xand: tricky to replug a built-in touchpad :) |
| 10:47.01 | tralala | s/on// |
| 10:47.31 | xingu | I've repowered it via sysfs, and that's worked re: the reinit/reprobe, but xorg is still screwed |
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| 10:47.39 | Penix | gimme an ice pick and a six pack |
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| 10:47.48 | xingu | the xorg mouse pointer basically hidden/ frozen, I think |
| 10:48.09 | simonrvn | sledge |
| 10:48.28 | Elive_user60 | hola,alguien sabe que tengo que hacer para ver el portatil en la tv? |
| 10:48.37 | Penix | no booze? screw this byo crap |
| 10:48.39 | tralala | xingu, you need to make X reinit the pointer, not the kernel |
| 10:48.41 | simonrvn | and a 24 of beer |
| 10:48.43 | Eulex | !es |
| 10:48.43 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 10:48.45 | Penix | that's better |
| 10:48.52 | xingu | tralala: exactly |
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| 10:49.21 | simonrvn | boozer! |
| 10:49.24 | simonrvn | :P |
| 10:49.26 | tralala | xingu, the thing is I'm not aware of any X pointer tools... |
| 10:49.27 | Eulex | !elive |
| 10:49.27 | dpkg | elive is a livecd (installable) project based on Debian with additional packages for E17. It is not Debian. Supported in #elive (FN, irc.freenode.net). |
| 10:49.33 | phix | hihihihihihihihihihihihihihihihihihihihihihihihihihihihihihihihihihihihihihihihihihihihihihihihihihihihihihihihihihihihihihihihihihihihihihihihihihihihihihihihihihihihihihihihihihihihihihihihihihihihihihihihihihihihihihihihihihihihihihihihihihihihihihihihihihihihihihihihihihihihihihihihihihihihihihihihihihihihihihihihihihihihihihihihihihihihihihihihihihihihihihihihihihihihihihihihihihihihihihihihihihihihihihihihihihihihihihihihihihihihihihihihihih |
| 10:49.39 | Penix | phix: I hate you too |
| 10:49.47 | phix | simonrvn: where? |
| 10:49.50 | phix | Penix: hi :) |
| 10:49.54 | Penix | phix: don't do that |
| 10:50.01 | simonrvn | phix: you should stop smoking whatever you're smoking, it's rotting your brain |
| 10:50.07 | phix | Penix: aaww why not? |
| 10:50.14 | petemc | did it in multiple channels |
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| 10:50.28 | phix | simonrvn: apt-get install stfuSimonrynKThanx |
| 10:50.35 | petemc | someone isnt getting enough attention |
| 10:50.39 | phix | heh |
| 10:50.41 | phix | yeh |
| 10:50.44 | simonrvn | can't even type my nick right |
| 10:50.47 | phix | Penix: for sure |
| 10:50.52 | Penix | wait...it's sunday. bah! |
| 10:50.54 | Penix | didn't even realize |
| 10:51.03 | phix | simonrvn: yeh I di |
| 10:51.03 | phix | d |
| 10:51.11 | phix | Penix: yes it is |
| 10:51.13 | xingu | ok, the pointer's definitely dead, xev tells me it's not generating events |
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| 10:51.16 | simonrvn | the tab completion did, moron |
| 10:51.19 | phix | I should sleep(6400); |
| 10:51.28 | phix | simonrvn: ftw |
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| 10:51.40 | tralala | !troll gong |
| 10:51.40 | dpkg | BONNGGGGG!! |
| 10:51.46 | simonrvn | for the win o_O |
| 10:51.47 | Penix | don't mind if I do |
| 10:51.48 | phix | ummm |
| 10:51.49 | phix | who |
| 10:51.58 | phix | simonrvn, Penix: ? |
| 10:52.14 | simonrvn | *plonked* |
| 10:52.19 | phix | simonrvn: do it |
| 10:52.31 | phix | I will /ignore you too, sif I want to listen to you |
| 10:52.33 | simonrvn | retard day sucks |
| 10:52.36 | tralala | xingu, tried changing res? |
| 10:52.47 | phix | simonrvn: arn't you shallow |
| 10:52.48 | xingu | tralala: not an option, only one set |
| 10:52.59 | tralala | rotation? |
| 10:53.25 | phix | hmmm |
| 10:53.28 | phix | any way |
| 10:53.32 | bzed | !penixstrike phix |
| 10:53.32 | dpkg | A towering Penix descends from the heavens, knocking phix to the ground and leaving a large wet spot. |
| 10:54.08 | phix | I hate debian's DSFSSFSFSFSF, sif cut ILBC out of asterisk |
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| 10:54.20 | phix | it is free enough, let it rest and include it |
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| 10:54.34 | Penix | phix: you should run for DPL |
| 10:54.55 | phix | Penix: you should release an asterisk package with ilbc included |
| 10:55.04 | Penix | phix: why can't you? |
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| 10:56.07 | simonrvn | damned quiet in here with that ignore ... |
| 10:56.17 | tralala | hehe |
| 10:56.33 | simonrvn | *grin* |
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| 10:57.00 | phix | Penix: I am lazy |
| 10:57.26 | phix | simonrvn is a fag, can some one make sure he gets this message? |
| 10:57.30 | Penix | phix: looks like it ain't gonna happen then. get motivated |
| 10:57.36 | phix | :( |
| 10:57.39 | Penix | *sigh* |
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| 10:57.46 | phix | Penix: but you are much more qualified |
| 10:58.03 | Penix | think I'll follow the ignore leader |
| 10:58.16 | simonrvn | anyone opsed him yet? |
| 10:58.17 | wols | phix: do you have a debian related question? |
| 10:58.30 | simonrvn | !ops phix - trolling |
| 10:58.30 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: simonrvn complains about: phix - trolling |
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| 10:58.48 | mitziyahu | ): |
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| 10:58.51 | mitziyahu | thats a nick? |
| 10:59.16 | simonrvn | no, there was one there. |
| 10:59.49 | simonrvn | they've left the #debian coil |
| 11:00.00 | mitziyahu | oh |
| 11:00.11 | tralala | Penix, simonrvn wasn't the ignore leader, he was merely the first to announce it |
| 11:00.11 | mitziyahu | stew is the only op i've seen speak here i think |
| 11:00.28 | Penix | meh |
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| 11:00.44 | phix | wols: yes, why is Debian so anal about ilbc in the asterisl packagE? |
| 11:01.08 | Penix | where the hell is bob2 these days? took off to oftc or something? |
| 11:01.19 | wols | phix: is the asterisk you installed from an official debian repo, like your libc6? |
| 11:01.21 | mitziyahu | oftc? |
| 11:01.23 | tralala | mitziyahu, RichiH, peterS, azeem and dondelelcaro are all active |
| 11:01.30 | simonrvn | i was kinda wondering if you knew actually |
| 11:01.38 | mitziyahu | tralala what? |
| 11:01.42 | DawnLight | just got spam pretending to be a 'mail delivery failed' message. there be no end to the... |
| 11:01.43 | Penix | noticed he's on launchpad |
| 11:01.45 | simonrvn | not in oftc, at least not #d |
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| 11:01.52 | phix | wols: Etch |
| 11:01.54 | tralala | mitziyahu, ops who are active in the channel |
| 11:01.59 | xingu | haha! |
| 11:02.08 | wols | phix: what are the versions of both asterisk and your libc6? |
| 11:02.13 | xingu | just run the same damn sdl game again, and that's uncorked it. |
| 11:02.14 | mitziyahu | oh, i ment i didnt' see them when i was here |
| 11:02.21 | phix | wols: 1.2.13, from etch |
| 11:02.27 | phix | wols: ETCH!!! |
| 11:02.29 | tralala | xingu, heh |
| 11:02.30 | xingu | how bloody annoying is that though |
| 11:02.33 | wols | phix: and your libc6? |
| 11:02.39 | phix | wols: ETCH! |
| 11:02.47 | simonrvn | DawnLight: the "mail delivery failed" is often either legit, or bogus, but always due to some spammer joe jobbing you |
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| 11:02.49 | wols | etch is NO libc6 version number |
| 11:02.53 | wols | !tell phix about enter |
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| 11:03.03 | cahoot | he knows about ehter |
| 11:03.05 | simonrvn | xingu: hm ok |
| 11:03.16 | Eulex | cahoot, too well |
| 11:03.21 | phix | dpkg -l | grep libc6 |
| 11:03.21 | phix | ii libc6 2.3.6.ds1-13etch2 GNU C Library: Shared libraries |
| 11:03.21 | dpkg | ii | grep libc6 1.6-1 ultra s3kr1t #debian package |
| 11:03.24 | phix | ii libc6-dev 2.3.6.ds1-13etch2 GNU C Library: Development Libraries and Header Files |
| 11:03.25 | xingu | tralala: sauerbraten - ran it fine last night, now it's crashing w/ GL issues (insufficient resources) @ 1680x1050 |
| 11:03.27 | phix | ii libc6-i686 2.3.6.ds1-13etch2 GNU C Library: Shared libraries [i686 optimized] |
| 11:03.38 | phix | wols: ETCH! |
| 11:03.44 | tralala | the game? |
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| 11:03.51 | xingu | tralala: yup |
| 11:04.09 | Eulex | !tell phix about paste |
| 11:04.12 | wols | phix: then file a bugreport if it doesn't work together |
| 11:04.12 | DawnLight | what game? good game? |
| 11:04.22 | xingu | tralala: suspect the driver is leaking texture memory, slowly |
| 11:04.29 | tralala | xingu, sounds like a bug :) I assume you're not running etch :) |
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| 11:04.56 | Eulex | wols, I do not think ilbc was a typo... |
| 11:05.04 | xingu | tralala: you'd be assuming correctly ;) the new drivers (the only reason I'm running saurbraten at all) are way faster on this hardware |
| 11:05.18 | xingu | tralala: it's silky smooth, with most knobs turned up |
| 11:05.35 | wols | Eulex: what do you mean? 2.3.6 is etch's libc6 and the asterisk version seems to be etch too. so if phix hasn't lied and both don't work together, there is a problem |
| 11:05.37 | redduck666 | what movie player can save the position of the movie when i quit the movie and resume it when i start the play again? |
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| 11:06.35 | Eulex | wols, because there is a codec named ilbc... |
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| 11:06.39 | Eulex | wols, http://lists.alioth.debian.org/pipermail/pkg-voip-maintainers/2005-October/002703.html |
| 11:07.10 | tralala | xingu, I'm only interested in car racing games, but my gpu sucks so I end up not playing at all. Also with only torcs to play it gets boring. |
| 11:07.17 | wols | Eulex: oops. my mistake then |
| 11:07.17 | xingu | tralala: yeah must be, happy as a pig in poo at 1280x800 |
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| 11:07.28 | ma3x | hello anyone here? |
| 11:07.45 | xingu | tralala: give it another 3mo then go buy a penryn + 8800m/gtx :) |
| 11:07.49 | wols | hooray it's sunday |
| 11:07.52 | xingu | tralala: you won't look back |
| 11:07.58 | ma3x | wols, hey pal |
| 11:08.09 | ma3x | can you grep your logs and see when I quit freenode? |
| 11:08.12 | xingu | tralala: hell, in 3mo the linux drivers might even match the claimed spec |
| 11:08.13 | wols | I'm not your pal and you are not mine |
| 11:08.17 | ma3x | alright |
| 11:08.20 | ma3x | just do it please |
| 11:08.34 | ma3x | anyone please grep their logs and see when I quit irc |
| 11:08.38 | ma3x | i need help please |
| 11:08.47 | ma3x | somebody broke into my apartment |
| 11:08.51 | ma3x | 2 laptops were stolen |
| 11:08.55 | ma3x | all the place is a big mess |
| 11:09.08 | ma3x | if someone could tell me at what time my nick quit, I'd be grateful |
| 11:09.18 | ma3x | I need to report to the police |
| 11:09.19 | ma3x | please |
| 11:09.36 | DawnLight | i'll check if this keeps logs... |
| 11:09.40 | tralala | xingu, you mean the binary blob? |
| 11:09.42 | ma3x | yes please |
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| 11:10.09 | xingu | tralala: yeah, persistent complaints of suckage for series-8 gpu on nvnews forums |
| 11:10.27 | *** part/#debian pmjdebruijn (n=pmjdebru@zoermoos.pcode.nl) |
| 11:10.33 | xingu | tralala: meanwhile, the current beta is _screaming_ fast on this 7600m |
| 11:10.49 | ma3x | wols can you help please? |
| 11:11.11 | wols | I don't have you in my logs from 19:00 yesterday but was offline for various times |
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| 11:11.31 | tralala | I bought ati because they have a working free driver that supports 3D. I might consider nvidia when they have the same. Maybe they alredy do and I'm behind the times? |
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| 11:12.04 | DawnLight | sorry, i don't keep logs apparrently ma3x |
| 11:12.16 | KI4IKL|Gr | I can get the ar5bxb63 to ork in ubuntu but not in debian, I installed the drivers with ndiswrapper and loaded the modules. Is ther eanything else I can try? |
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| 11:13.07 | vy | ma3x: Did you check google, for websites archiving #debian@freenode logs? |
| 11:13.22 | DawnLight | ma3x: keep asking around. i'm sure someone keeps them |
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| 11:13.43 | ma3x | i am checking |
| 11:13.47 | grent | hello |
| 11:13.48 | wols | DawnLight: how about your backbuffer? /lastlog ma3x |
| 11:13.49 | ma3x | i dont know where to see |
| 11:14.25 | grent | i need links make up to javscript support, how i do it? |
| 11:14.25 | wols | ma3x: what is the timeframe you'd need? when did you last see your hardware? |
| 11:14.26 | ma3x | anyone please do /lastlog ma3x |
| 11:14.43 | ma3x | wols yesterday about 4 hours ago |
| 11:14.45 | wols | grent: links can do javascript? |
| 11:14.46 | ma3x | that's when i left home |
| 11:14.53 | xingu | tralala: nope, it's all own-your-arseware for the forseeable |
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| 11:14.56 | DawnLight | wols: unkown comand. if can scroll up until only a few pages |
| 11:15.00 | grent | wols: i hope |
| 11:15.14 | wols | grent: you can hope as much as you want but it won't come true |
| 11:15.30 | ma3x | anyone help please |
| 11:15.38 | tralala | xingu, I guess I'm keeping my card for the time being then :) |
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| 11:15.46 | xingu | tralala: but sauerbraten's oasis map (water, moving grass, etc) looks very nice on this guy now |
| 11:15.49 | grent | wols: in gentoo it is possible, i hope that is possible in debian too |
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| 11:16.30 | xingu | tralala: I couldn't give a crap about those style of games either, just wanted to take a new look; bzflag, with 3x robots and 5x shots permitted, now that's my kinda thing |
| 11:16.32 | DawnLight | KI4IKL|Gr: does it create an interface? |
| 11:16.36 | tralala | xingu, I sure I'd be amazed if I look at one of them modern games some day. |
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| 11:16.40 | wols | grent: sure. recompile your own links package then |
| 11:16.43 | xingu | tralala: turns it into a real arcade shootout |
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| 11:17.32 | grent | wols: how can i do it? |
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| 11:17.51 | xingu | tralala: server opts, -a 0 0 -advertise none -b -h -handicap -j -maxidle 300 -ms 5 -q -s -sa -sb -st 60 -t and client opts -solo 3 |
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| 11:18.21 | wols | !tell grent about simple sid backport |
| 11:18.24 | wols | grent: similar to this |
| 11:18.27 | hardcampa` | [Mon Sep 3 2007] [20:14:21] Quitma3x has left this server ("Leaving"). |
| 11:18.31 | DawnLight | ma3x: are you ok? |
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| 11:18.40 | ma3x | hardcampa`, whats your timezone please? |
| 11:18.43 | wols | hardcampa`: what timezone? |
| 11:18.44 | hardcampa` | +1 |
| 11:18.46 | hardcampa` | sweden |
| 11:18.47 | ma3x | hardcampa`, that's 3 sep!!!!!! |
| 11:18.51 | tralala | grent, /msg dpkg rebuild from debian source |
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| 11:18.55 | hardcampa` | oh dude |
| 11:18.57 | hardcampa` | heh |
| 11:18.57 | dbmoodb | !man |
| 11:18.58 | dpkg | [man] a little guy that knows everything about linux... just do man <commandname> and he will teach you all about <commandname>,a Municipal Area Network (city), or check ASD @ http://savannah.nongnu.org/projects/asd/ |
| 11:19.00 | hardcampa` | sorry my logs are vast |
| 11:19.09 | hardcampa` | how long time ago was it |
| 11:19.09 | ma3x | hard /lastlog ma3x |
| 11:19.10 | hardcampa` | about |
| 11:19.23 | hardcampa` | no can't do that I'm looking through my emacs erc logs |
| 11:19.24 | ma3x | it was about 20-26 hours ago |
| 11:19.24 | wols | hardcampa`: last 29hours |
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| 11:19.27 | hardcampa` | ok |
| 11:19.30 | zophy | should i do a dist-upgrade every time i update testing ? |
| 11:19.38 | hardcampa` | should have it |
| 11:19.40 | hardcampa` | gonna check |
| 11:19.46 | hardcampa` | I'm online all the time through a proxy so |
| 11:20.00 | hardcampa` | the thing is I'm not logging all the time.. |
| 11:20.02 | hardcampa` | still checking |
| 11:20.16 | zophy | i get a lot of kept back packages when i just do a apt-get upgrade |
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| 11:21.10 | hardcampa` | damn seems like that's the only entry I got |
| 11:21.15 | hardcampa` | it wraps my search |
| 11:21.21 | hardcampa` | gonna see if I got other logs somewhere |
| 11:21.23 | zophy | is there a pdf reader that works with the console graphics frame buffer ? |
| 11:21.41 | hardcampa` | You on any other channels ma3x? |
| 11:21.45 | hardcampa` | I can check those logs as well |
| 11:21.55 | ma3x | hardcampa`, nope |
| 11:21.57 | ma3x | #debian |
| 11:21.59 | hardcampa` | =/ |
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| 11:22.14 | hardcampa` | but. aren't all freenode channels logged |
| 11:22.20 | hardcampa` | by freenode |
| 11:22.20 | ma3x | no |
| 11:22.25 | hardcampa` | wierd |
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| 11:24.08 | robboplus | is it possible to make an alias that will recognize a supplied argument? |
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| 11:24.32 | murosai | how can i get more information about a certain package? |
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| 11:24.46 | tralala | robboplus, anything you add after the alias will be appended to the command |
| 11:24.56 | ma3x | tralala, do you keep logs of #debian? |
| 11:24.59 | suppaman | murosai: apt-cache show |
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| 11:25.13 | ma3x | @ops please anyone do you keep logs of yesterday? very urgent |
| 11:25.14 | ravenbird | Hydroxide, azeem, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity: please anyone do you keep logs of yesterday? very urgent |
| 11:25.36 | suppaman | I think bots keep them |
| 11:25.38 | robboplus | tralala hm appended you say.. but that means that i won't be able to control the place where it is added in the line, right? |
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| 11:25.51 | ma3x | suppaman, explain please |
| 11:25.56 | ma3x | where can i see the logs? |
| 11:25.57 | robboplus | i mean stuff like $hey |
| 11:25.58 | DawnLight | perhaps dpkg keeps them? |
| 11:25.58 | murosai | suppaman: thanks |
| 11:26.01 | s4xxon | hello, where can i find the log file that stores infromation about the last packages installed ? |
| 11:26.03 | ma3x | what is the command? |
| 11:26.08 | mitziyahu | ma3x http://irc-archive.com/read/FreeNode/debian/ ? |
| 11:26.12 | robboplus | ma3x cool down.. |
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| 11:26.35 | suppaman | ma3x: I think that's not a Network service, every channel can set up a bot for logging the chan but's a choice |
| 11:26.47 | ma3x | suppaman, and how do i trigger the logs? |
| 11:26.55 | mitziyahu | google for it |
| 11:26.56 | suppaman | ma3x: anyway I was on #debian yesterday and I have autolog |
| 11:26.58 | s4xxon | i just updated some stuff , and now my nvidia drivers dont support redering, when i do a glxinfo i get: direct rendering: No (If you want to find out why, try setting LIBGL_DEBUG=verbose) |
| 11:27.00 | dutchfish | stupid question, but i dont know: where are mare export statements physically stored? apperently export DISTCC_HOST= seams to be 'remembered between boots'? |
| 11:27.07 | ma3x | suppaman, please see if you got the time when i disconnected |
| 11:27.15 | DawnLight | ma3x: http://irc-archive.com/channel/FreeNode/debian |
| 11:27.22 | tralala | robboplus, yes. If you need fine control you'd have to write a script |
| 11:27.44 | ma3x | DawnLight, those logs are for Wed 3rd October 2007 |
| 11:27.50 | ma3x | it's 24 nov that im looking for |
| 11:27.50 | suppaman | ma3x: searching for a quote of my own on google I found the whole log of a day before chat |
| 11:27.57 | ma3x | suppaman, where!??!\ |
| 11:28.00 | DawnLight | damn |
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| 11:29.06 | suppaman | ma3x: DawnLight just pointed it out |
| 11:29.38 | ma3x | suppaman, it's 3 october the last log!! |
| 11:29.44 | ma3x | i need for yesterday |
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| 11:30.07 | mitziyahu | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:30.11 | mitziyahu | JUST USE IT : |
| 11:30.12 | mitziyahu | :S |
| 11:30.26 | ma3x | where?? |
| 11:30.33 | ma3x | i told you |
| 11:30.41 | ma3x | those websites have the information for 3rd october the latest |
| 11:30.47 | ma3x | not for yesterday |
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| 11:31.22 | DawnLight | ma3x: http://www.irclinux.org/freenode/debian/ |
| 11:31.48 | petemc | ma3x: you shouldnt bother the ops with personal favours |
| 11:31.48 | dotz | hi i just bought a 3ware sata 2 raid card 9650se..i trying to install debian etch but it couldn't detect my raid card or the array i built...what should i do? |
| 11:32.19 | ma3x | petemc, sorry but its very urgent |
| 11:32.21 | ma3x | please help |
| 11:32.25 | petemc | 13:53 -!- ma3x [n=ma3x@unaffiliated/ma3x] has quit [Read error: 113 (No route to host)] |
| 11:32.26 | suppaman | ma3x: **** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sat Nov 24 09:05:15 2007 **** ENDING LOGGING AT Sat Nov 24 12:38:50 2007 **** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sat Nov 24 12:40:21 2007 **** ENDING LOGGING AT Sat Nov 24 12:51:01 2007**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sat Nov 24 17:47:59 2007**** ENDING LOGGING AT Sat Nov 24 18:01:54 2007 |
| 11:32.36 | ma3x | petemc, what is your time zone please? |
| 11:32.37 | suppaman | ma3x: that's what I have, three time windows |
| 11:32.40 | petemc | gmt |
| 11:32.44 | DawnLight | petemc: his apartment was broken into and his laptops taken |
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| 11:33.13 | DawnLight | ma3x: isn't this good for you http://www.irclinux.org/freenode/debian/ |
| 11:33.22 | ma3x | DawnLight, it doesnt have the logs from yesterday! |
| 11:33.24 | ma3x | that website |
| 11:33.29 | DawnLight | damn |
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| 11:33.46 | suppaman | ma3x: I'm CET |
| 11:33.59 | ma3x | suppaman, what about petemc? |
| 11:34.03 | ma3x | he gmt+1? |
| 11:34.30 | petemc | Sun Nov 25 11:34:35 GMT 2007 |
| 11:34.32 | suppaman | ma3x: I don't have the slightest idea, I don't know who petemc is |
| 11:34.48 | ma3x | suppaman, you just pasted ma3x: **** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sat Nov 24 09:05:15 2007 **** ENDING LOGGING AT Sat Nov 24 12:38:50 2007 **** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sat Nov 24 12:40:21 2007 **** ENDING LOGGING AT Sat Nov 24 12:51:01 2007**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sat Nov 24 17:47:59 2007**** ENDING LOGGING AT Sat Nov 24 18:01:54 2007 |
| 11:34.53 | ma3x | where is the nick information? |
| 11:35.04 | ma3x | <petemc> 13:53 -!- ma3x [n=ma3x@unaffiliated/ma3x] has quit [Read error: 113 (No route to host)] |
| 11:35.09 | ma3x | what is your timezone please? |
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| 11:35.19 | mitziyahu | ctcp time him if you're registered :p |
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| 11:35.36 | suppaman | ma3x: I don't have your nick in log |
| 11:35.40 | suppaman | I just checked |
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| 11:36.26 | cab46 | hi i have a machine with debian woody , can upgrade to etch without lost my settings ? |
| 11:36.27 | Dark_Apostrophe | Dave2: Are you around? |
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| 11:36.56 | Dark_Apostrophe | Dave2: Crapflood in #ronpaul |
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| 11:37.31 | dutchfish | stupid question, but i dont know: where are my export statements physically stored? apperently export DISTCC_HOST= seams to be 'remembered between boots'? |
| 11:37.42 | xingu | dutchfish: try /etc/environment ? |
| 11:37.55 | DawnLight | !tell cab46 about woody->sarge |
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| 11:38.12 | dutchfish | xingu, does that count for statement from root user? |
| 11:38.25 | xingu | dutchfish: whole system; pam_environment.so |
| 11:38.26 | ma3x11 | mitziyahu, hes not replying to ctcp time\ |
| 11:38.31 | ma3x11 | anyone please check their logs |
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| 11:38.39 | ma3x11 | Dark_Apostrophe, do yoiu keep the log of yesterday |
| 11:38.40 | s4xxon | after upgrading some mesa packages, my system doesnt have rendering anymore. with glxinfo i get "direct rendering: No (If you want to find out why, try setting LIBGL_DEBUG=verbose)" |
| 11:38.44 | s4xxon | is there a way to fix it ? |
| 11:38.44 | DawnLight | !tell cab46 about sarge->etch |
| 11:38.52 | Dark_Apostrophe | ma3x11... Err.. ? |
| 11:39.04 | petemc | ma3x11: whats wrong with what i told you? |
| 11:39.21 | Dark_Apostrophe | ma3x11: It happened a few moments ago, but I think it was them messing with their bot, actually |
| 11:39.27 | Dark_Apostrophe | At first glance, it looked like a crapflood. |
| 11:39.30 | DawnLight | s4xxon: did you try setting it to verbose? |
| 11:39.35 | dutchfish | xingu, its not in there, still export DISTCC_HOST= is working, also after reboot |
| 11:39.41 | s4xxon | i dont know what that means or how to do it... |
| 11:39.42 | ma3x11 | petemc, you didnt give me the timezone |
| 11:39.49 | petemc | ma3x11: i did |
| 11:39.51 | ma3x11 | petemc, what time zone are you in? are you living in USA>?\ |
| 11:39.57 | ma3x11 | you didnt pete |
| 11:40.02 | petemc | fine |
| 11:40.07 | ma3x11 | where?? |
| 11:40.08 | ma3x11 | i dont see it |
| 11:40.19 | ma3x11 | you specified the time |
| 11:40.19 | ma3x11 | but not the timezone\ |
| 11:40.23 | ma3x11 | can you please tell me? |
| 11:40.32 | s4xxon | it worked actually before the upgrade. after it , i didnt have the rendering anymore . and the last packages that i installed that had to do with that, are some mesa packages |
| 11:40.32 | petemc | can you not extrapolate that yourself? |
| 11:40.48 | ma3x11 | petemc, how?? |
| 11:40.51 | s4xxon | i own an nvidia |
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| 11:41.00 | ma3x11 | I tried /ctcp petemc time you didn't reply |
| 11:41.08 | ma3x11 | petemc, what's your time now please? |
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| 11:41.18 | petemc | Sun Nov 25 11:41:23 GMT 2007 |
| 11:41.21 | DawnLight | s4xxon: 'export LIBGL_DEBUG=verbose' i think |
| 11:41.32 | ma3x11 | thank youpete |
| 11:41.35 | s4xxon | what does this do ? |
| 11:42.17 | DawnLight | s4xxon: makes the opengl library verbose, i assume. so you'll know what the problem is |
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| 11:42.43 | ma3x11 | thank you petemc |
| 11:42.46 | petemc | np |
| 11:42.48 | s4xxon | verbosing it how will it bring me to a solution of finding out ? |
| 11:43.49 | dutchfish | xingu, any idees where it would be stored? this is creeping on me, searched google hi and low for it |
| 11:44.40 | DawnLight | s4xxon: becuase the next time you run something that uses the library, it will spew details to the terminal |
| 11:44.45 | DawnLight | s4xxon: are you running etch? |
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| 11:44.51 | s4xxon | testing |
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| 11:45.54 | DawnLight | s4xxon: that is how things are in testing and it is expected that users of testing will know how to debug and solve problems |
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| 11:47.12 | s4xxon | i know that, thats why i am here. to learn (here i mean in testing) |
| 11:47.24 | zophy | should i do a dist-upgrade every time i update testing ? |
| 11:47.31 | zophy | i get a lot of kept back packages when i just do a apt-get upgrade |
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| 11:49.43 | zophy | <PROTECTED> |
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| 11:56.56 | s4xxon | reisntalling the drivers fixed the problem, but i bet there was also another way to fix it, right ? |
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| 12:00.30 | eth01 | im trying to untar a tar.bz2 |
| 12:01.20 | tralala | tar xjf file |
| 12:01.23 | eth01 | tar: Error is not recoverable: exiting now |
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| 12:02.11 | eth01 | http://pastie.caboo.se/121668 |
| 12:02.22 | cahoot | what does file say about the tar.bz2? |
| 12:02.38 | xingu | dutchfish: in your own .rc-files? .profile etc? |
| 12:02.53 | eth01 | fancybash-1.1.tar.bz2: bzip2 compressed data, block size = 900k |
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| 12:03.14 | dutchfish | xingu, its not in .profile, ... looking in .rc |
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| 12:04.16 | dutchfish | xingu, ther eis no .rc |
| 12:04.43 | dutchfish | xingu, at least not in ~/.rc for root |
| 12:05.05 | xingu | dutchfish: .bashrc/.bash_profile/ etc etc |
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| 12:05.37 | eth01 | .. |
| 12:06.16 | cahoot | might add v for more verbosity from |
| 12:06.19 | cahoot | tar |
| 12:06.53 | dutchfish | xingu, slap me! it is in ~/.bashrc ... the documentation hints however to .profile thats why i was confused, thx! |
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| 12:08.04 | spq | eth01, does tar something else before the error you pasted? |
| 12:08.30 | spq | +print between tar and something |
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| 12:08.47 | eth01 | spq: nothing works. |
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| 12:09.12 | spq | ? |
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| 12:09.27 | eth01 | ... |
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| 12:09.33 | spq | ? |
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| 12:09.38 | eth01 | ... |
| 12:09.51 | spq | ... |
| 12:10.00 | eth01 | grow up, child. |
| 12:10.08 | cahoot | likewise |
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| 12:10.22 | spq | lol, with "?" i meant please be more specific |
| 12:10.31 | eth01 | cahoot: don't understand why you're getting involved. |
| 12:10.35 | dutchfish | xingu, oh oh, you can do nasty things with this .... gona watch my back with it in the future ... |
| 12:10.43 | eth01 | spq: when directed to nobody.. |
| 12:10.56 | xingu | eth01: tar is failing to exec bzip2 (yes, it really is this simple) |
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| 12:11.10 | xingu | eth01: file `which bzip2`; ldd `which bzip2` |
| 12:11.15 | cahoot | bzip2 not installed? |
| 12:11.36 | xingu | eth01: either bzip2 is missing, or a lib it needs is missing, or the former or latter are present, and corrupt |
| 12:11.36 | spq | this is what i thought - but tar normally prints more than just what eth01 pasted... |
| 12:12.11 | spq | i asked for the additional output and he says "nothing works" - i couldnt say anything else but "?" ^^ |
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| 12:12.30 | mitziyahu | lol |
| 12:12.42 | eth01 | bzunzip2, no luck. |
| 12:12.55 | eth01 | bunzip2 * |
| 12:13.18 | xingu | eth01: so if there's no bzip2 binary, install one |
| 12:13.19 | spq | you dont need bunzip2, just bzip2 |
| 12:14.20 | capiira | anyone know how to get a list of iwpriv supported commands for a wlan card? things like essid authmode etc. |
| 12:14.25 | capiira | ? |
| 12:14.37 | xingu | capiira: iwpriv ${interfacename} |
| 12:14.40 | xingu | capiira: :) |
| 12:15.02 | capiira | hmmmm |
| 12:15.14 | capiira | i just get param get_param if i do that |
| 12:15.33 | dotz | how to install kernal 2.6.19? |
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| 12:15.55 | spq | dotz, do you want a prepackages debian kernel? |
| 12:16.04 | xingu | capiira: that sounds like a driver-specific, non-typed blob ioctl to me; driver source is your answer |
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| 12:16.25 | capiira | ahh ok |
| 12:16.31 | capiira | im using the rt2x00 |
| 12:16.31 | xingu | capiira: normally the drivers implement ioctl's that the iwpriv knows about; get/set_param sound like ways to pass arbitrary crap to the driver |
| 12:16.43 | dotz | can i install 2.6.19 from apt-get? |
| 12:17.19 | spq | dotz, if you want and there is a debian packages for this version - yes - why not |
| 12:17.24 | dutchfish | dotz, not directly, are you running etch? |
| 12:17.47 | spq | i normally build my kernels myself and create a debian package from them |
| 12:18.06 | capiira | xingu, thanks i will google |
| 12:18.17 | capiira | or just buy a new card |
| 12:18.27 | xingu | good idea ;) |
| 12:18.42 | spq | capiira, is it a closed source driver? |
| 12:18.51 | capiira | i think rt2561/rt61 is not well supported yet |
| 12:18.53 | dotz | i'm running etch now.. because i bought a 3ware raid card..i found out that i need to download the iso etch from 3ware and install it.. then it can detect the raid card..after installing if i do a apt-get upgrade, it will overwrite the 2.6.18 kernel and cannot detect raid card.. it says it need 2.6.19 and above to detect |
| 12:19.06 | dotz | that's why after installation of the etch (downloaded from 3ware), i need to upgrade to 2.6.19 |
| 12:19.09 | capiira | nah its the one from serialmonkey its in the debian repo |
| 12:19.21 | dutchfish | !tell dotz about backports |
| 12:19.28 | RickyWh | when configuring a debian network after the install, i edit the /etc/network/interfaces file, in the config i recognise only 3 out of 5 settings, anyone help me? |
| 12:19.40 | dutchfish | dotz, i advice 2.6.20 atm from backports |
| 12:19.52 | capiira | this one http://rt2x00.serialmonkey.com/wiki/index.php?title=Main_Page |
| 12:19.52 | RickyWh | i know address, netmask, gateway. i don't kno what broadcast or network are: |
| 12:20.03 | dutchfish | dotz, error 2.6.22 |
| 12:20.31 | dutchfish | dotz, i use the same controller it that one works fine |
| 12:20.55 | dotz | dutchfish: which kernal u use? 2.6.22? |
| 12:21.01 | spq | dotz, probably you want to make your own kernel, then you can be sure that your driver is embedded and you can optimize your kernel... |
| 12:21.05 | dutchfish | dotz, yes from backports binary |
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| 12:21.40 | dotz | ok..i try not to do apt-get upgrade..because doing that it will overwrite my existing 2.6.18-5 kernal and the drivers for the raid card is gone |
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| 12:22.19 | utab | I am searching a dual monitor setup example for a dell latitude d610 laptop which has a ati radeon m300 graphics card, so far I could not understand if it supports dual monitors or not, in all my searches I found out that radeon 9xxx supports dual monitors, does anyone have an idea? |
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| 12:22.53 | dutchfish | dotz, how loong did you not upgrade or distupgrade? |
| 12:23.00 | RickyWh | anyone care to help me on what broadcast or network setting is for? |
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| 12:23.15 | dotz | dutchfish: i'm starting from afresh..installation |
| 12:23.34 | spq | RickyWh, do you mean the settings of /etc/network/interfaces ? |
| 12:23.38 | dotz | from the offical etch doesn't support the 3ware card i'm using..therefore need to use from 3ware's site |
| 12:23.53 | DawnLight | utab: it probably does. if you're using the propriatery drivers you should check their documentation |
| 12:23.54 | dutchfish | dotz, ah ok just add backports to you /etc/apt/sources.list and do upgrade && dist-upgrade |
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| 12:24.15 | dutchfish | dotz, before that update ;0 |
| 12:24.29 | utab | DawnLight: how may I check that :) |
| 12:24.50 | zophy | i did a dist-upgrade with testing because just an upgrade kept back packages, now... root can run X, but a regular user can only get X running and then get an error window about not being able to write to /tmp |
| 12:24.54 | zophy | wtf ? |
| 12:24.56 | spq | RickyWh, ? |
| 12:25.01 | mooper | In terms of cd drives 12x 24x etc 24x what? |
| 12:25.12 | mooper | and does it mean the same with dvd writers? |
| 12:25.32 | RickyWh | spq, yes those settings. i'm trying to setup static ip with that file. i already know the address, netmask and gateway settings, but what do i put for broadcast and network settigns? |
| 12:25.41 | zophy | perms on /tmp seem liberal |
| 12:25.56 | zophy | drwxrwxrwt 8 root root 4096 2007-11-25 06:25 /tmp |
| 12:26.08 | dotz | dutchfish: will upgrade overwrite my current kernal? |
| 12:26.35 | spq | RickyWh, do you know basic tcp ip things? if you have a netmask of 255.255.255.0 you can use the ip addresse x.x.x.1-x.x.x.254 - the .0 is the network address and .255 is the broadcast |
| 12:26.36 | dutchfish | dotz, no, thats next step |
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| 12:26.55 | RickyWh | spq, yes, my netmask is that |
| 12:27.00 | RickyWh | yes i know basics |
| 12:27.07 | dutchfish | dotz, after that: aptitude install linux-headers-2.6.22-3-[your flavor] |
| 12:27.17 | spq | RickyWh, if your netmask differs you can have other addresses - and you could even change it to not use .255 but thats uncommon |
| 12:27.21 | dutchfish | dotz, after that: aptitude install linux-image-2.6.22-3-[your flavor] |
| 12:27.42 | dotz | oh |
| 12:27.43 | dotz | ok |
| 12:27.49 | dotz | doing it now..brb |
| 12:27.58 | spq | RickyWh, just set the broadcast to 192.168.1.2155 if your ip is eg 192.168.1.123 |
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| 12:28.10 | dotz | dutchfish: after installing them, do i need to compile them? |
| 12:28.17 | zophy | i'll never be able to click and point ever again |
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| 12:28.32 | hoxu | are the control@bugs.debian.org commands available to non-developers (retitle etc)? |
| 12:28.36 | RickyWh | spq, so it's the maximun node on my class c? |
| 12:28.51 | dutchfish | dotz, no, no compile needed, but a reboot is needed afterwords, then install 3ware tools |
| 12:29.00 | Eulex | hoxu, yes. |
| 12:29.01 | RickyWh | and network is the first node liek this? 192.168.1.0 |
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| 12:29.08 | hoxu | Eulex, cool, thanks |
| 12:29.25 | spq | its a common address shared between all your machines in that subnet - the broadcast |
| 12:29.34 | dotz | dutchfish: so after installing headers and image, i can boot into 2.6.22 kernel afterward right? |
| 12:29.58 | dutchfish | dotz, if i remember the latest 3ware driver are in 2.6.22 already |
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| 12:30.41 | dutchfish | dotz, you only need the tools |
| 12:31.00 | spq | the network address isnt used anymore but you can enter it, - the network and broadcast are normally calculated like this: broadcast = ip & netmask | ~netmask; network = ip & netmask; |
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| 12:32.06 | spq | RickyWh, so yes you are right - one could say the first and last node of your subnet |
| 12:33.35 | dotz | dutchfish: ok great.. |
| 12:33.40 | dotz | trying it now |
| 12:35.06 | RickyWh | spq, thanks |
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| 12:36.17 | guh | how can i make a script on /etc/skel thats is executed automatically everytime a user is created? i want to add a quota to the users automatically. |
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| 12:36.41 | spq | guh, how do you add users? |
| 12:36.55 | guh | ldap |
| 12:37.17 | spq | so the server does not know about when you create new users |
| 12:37.23 | RickyWh | if i'm running a debian server behind my router/gateway, is it ok to leave my nameserver to be the ip of my gateway? |
| 12:38.11 | spq | if your gateway has an dns server yes why not, you just have to point it to a valid dns server |
| 12:38.31 | RickyWh | i'm not sure if it does or not, it's a linksys wrt54g |
| 12:38.42 | spq | why dont you use dhcp? |
| 12:38.45 | mitziyahu | its supposed to be ok |
| 12:38.49 | RickyWh | i'm assuming it does since i can ping www.google.com and yes dhcp is on |
| 12:39.10 | spq | RickyWh, if you have a static ip - you dont use dhcp |
| 12:39.26 | RickyWh | yes, i set it to be a static internal ip |
| 12:39.37 | mitziyahu | well the router's dns server probably uses root servers to find ips, so it's most likely ok |
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| 12:39.49 | RickyWh | but on my gateway i don't have static b/c isp charges 15/month for it |
| 12:40.37 | spq | RickyWh, yes - all okay, but whydont you just use dhcp for your server, by this you dont have to worry about your dns settings and all the settings you asked me |
| 12:40.40 | eth01 | hmmm, /bin/sh ? |
| 12:41.33 | spq | hmmm, /bin/kill ? |
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| 12:41.57 | epsilon | /kill/bill? |
| 12:42.03 | Nuxis | hey I pluged an extra monitor on my laptop how can I set up that I can use those 2 screens? |
| 12:42.12 | RickyWh | lol |
| 12:42.26 | spq | Nuxis, check your xorg config if you use xorg |
| 12:42.46 | Nuxis | spq: isn't there just a program to control that? |
| 12:42.52 | spq | Nuxis probably |
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| 12:43.21 | spq | but thats not debian related |
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| 12:43.31 | hoxu | eh... |
| 12:43.34 | RickyWh | spq, i'm trying to learn static b/c my VPS on centos is statis so trying to learn the basics of linux server administration |
| 12:43.47 | spq | k |
| 12:43.49 | hoxu | Nuxis, do you have nvidia on the laptop or what? |
| 12:43.58 | spq | ati iirc |
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| 12:45.24 | Nuxis | hoxu no integrated :( |
| 12:45.47 | spq | Nuxis, integrated does not mean its not nvidia or ati |
| 12:46.07 | Nuxis | spx I know sec |
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| 12:46.17 | spq | spq please :D |
| 12:46.22 | Nuxis | soz xD |
| 12:47.57 | Nuxis | 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation Mobile 945GM/GMS/940GML Express Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 03) |
| 12:47.57 | hoxu | !pls |
| 12:47.58 | dpkg | Cud u plz spk englsh bcuz wen u spk lke ths u luk lke a moron. |
| 12:48.00 | Nuxis | 00:02.1 Display controller: Intel Corporation Mobile 945GM/GMS/940GML Express Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 03) |
| 12:49.05 | hoxu | Nuxis, I guess you have to look at xorg config, have no clue about intel stuff, but my understanding is that nvidia drivers come with nvidia-settings or something that can set up multiple monitors |
| 12:49.33 | spq | Nuxis, google for it |
| 12:49.34 | dutchfish | i810 |
| 12:49.41 | spq | you now know your graphics card |
| 12:49.49 | cahoot | Nuxis: you wan to use xrandr |
| 12:50.08 | Nuxis | dutchfish: yea that are the drivers |
| 12:50.53 | dutchfish | Nuxis, in etch: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg ... it prolly work out of the box |
| 12:50.54 | Nuxis | cahoot: xrandr? |
| 12:51.12 | Nuxis | dutchfish: yea I figured that out also but what if I unplug the monitor to take the laptop with me |
| 12:51.41 | dutchfish | Nuxis, then next boot it will use your lcd |
| 12:51.46 | cahoot | Nuxis: http://intellinuxgraphics.org/dualhead.html |
| 12:51.55 | Nuxis | tnx |
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| 12:52.18 | dutchfish | Nuxis, some laptops have Fn[some key] for this |
| 12:52.53 | Nuxis | will check that out now |
| 12:53.01 | dutchfish | Nuxis, chears |
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| 12:54.55 | Nuxis | dutchfish: I got that key :) |
| 12:55.05 | Nuxis | but doesn't work well I'm working with a kvm-switch |
| 12:55.24 | Nuxis | will try when the other comp (where my uncle is watching at) is plugged in also |
| 12:55.27 | dutchfish | Nuxis, kvm switches can be a pita for this, yes |
| 12:56.18 | dutchfish | Nuxis, but norally is use kvm only in console mode |
| 12:56.45 | Nuxis | mhh |
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| 12:57.23 | dotz | dutchfish: have u used the 3ware tools before?it is possible for it to rebuild in linux rather than in hardware's bios? |
| 12:57.25 | dutchfish | Nuxis, unless you have the bucks to buy i really good one |
| 12:57.36 | Nuxis | don't have the bucks :) |
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| 12:58.14 | dutchfish | dotz, you can config in from 3wares ahrdware bios, or install the user tools |
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| 12:58.46 | dutchfish | dotz, the user tools are web based |
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| 12:59.05 | dutchfish | dotz, you need after install to enbale them at boot |
| 12:59.07 | dbmoodb | !IMHO |
| 12:59.08 | dpkg | imho, imho is in my humble opinion |
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| 12:59.51 | dotz | dutchfish: hmm my etch is command lines only..no GUI.. |
| 13:00.21 | dutchfish | dotz, well, you can read the manual that came along with it? |
| 13:00.35 | Eulex | dotz, there are text mode browsers |
| 13:00.39 | dutchfish | dotz, its easy |
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| 13:01.11 | mynullvoid | hi all |
| 13:01.18 | langner | Hi all... I am using apt-get with etch and in order to have PyQt4 for Python2.5 installing like this: 'apt-get -t testing install python-qt4'. I get the message "INFO: using unsupported version '/usr/bin/python2.5'", and later cannot import PyQt4 from Python2.5 (only importing in 2.4 works). The same happends for all python packages. Any suggestions? |
| 13:01.19 | dutchfish | dotz, you have running 2.6.22 now? |
| 13:01.20 | mynullvoid | is't possible if I can run amavis in separate machine than the mail server? such that works in bridge mode to filter emails? |
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| 13:02.30 | dutchfish | mynullvoid, with amavisd-new you can |
| 13:02.37 | dotz | dutchfish: trying to :) seems fine now.. previously i have backuped the / before i plug in the new 3ware raid card.. now trying to copy all the / files in and boot up |
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| 13:03.15 | dutchfish | dotz, ok |
| 13:03.34 | mynullvoid | dutchfish: any how to? because I would like to put the amavisd-new on separate box to filter email passing by |
| 13:03.47 | dutchfish | mynullvoid, hold on a sec |
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| 13:05.57 | dutchfish | mynullvoid, http://workaround.org/articles/ispmail-etch/ for the connection between the 2 you need a small virtual net or a seperate adapter to wich both machines are connected in a small laocal lan |
| 13:06.36 | mynullvoid | dutchfish: ok let me check it out |
| 13:06.46 | dutchfish | mynullvoid, you need some cups of coffe for this ;) |
| 13:06.50 | techouse | <PROTECTED> |
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| 13:08.20 | dotz | dutchfish: ok its up and running..everything works except mysqlserver is down..guess hafta reinstall..hmm |
| 13:08.51 | dutchfish | dotz, aptitude install --reinstall mysql-server-5.0 |
| 13:09.51 | mynullvoid | dutchfish: the url you gave me is not having the antivirus on separate machine |
| 13:09.59 | dotz | i backuped only /etc /usr /var /sbin /bin ..and restored them hmm.. |
| 13:10.00 | dotz | ok |
| 13:10.20 | mynullvoid | it is like normal deployment |
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| 13:10.43 | dutchfish | mynullvoid, with the basic setup as pointed out you can easely config it on a different machine, because they use already lo connections for this |
| 13:10.44 | RickyWh | Package libdb3++-dev is not available, but is referred to by another package. |
| 13:10.44 | RickyWh | This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or |
| 13:10.44 | RickyWh | is only available from another source |
| 13:10.44 | RickyWh | E: Package libdb3++-dev has no installation candidate |
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| 13:10.53 | mynullvoid | ducthfish: at the moment my setup also getting postfix to pipe out the email and get it back at certain port |
| 13:10.57 | RickyWh | woops |
| 13:11.13 | mynullvoid | dutchfish: put it like this |
| 13:11.41 | GenghisZ | anyone an idea on how i can show how big all files with 'joe' as owner on my debian system are? so basicly: the size of all files owend by 'joe' |
| 13:11.41 | eth01 | how wouuld i ban a particular IP from accessing my machine via SSH? (iptables, i'm sure) |
| 13:11.44 | mynullvoid | dutchfish: let say I got machine A running exchange and I want to filter any email going through machine A |
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| 13:12.00 | Aciid | eth01: /etc/hosts.deny |
| 13:12.05 | RickyWh | http://pastebin.ca/796809 please help anyone |
| 13:12.13 | langner | How do I add a supported python version to pycentral? |
| 13:12.50 | dutchfish | mynullvoid, http://www200.pair.com/mecham/spam/spamfilter20061118.html |
| 13:12.53 | xingu | mynullvoid: sounds like the kind of thing that could backfire, if you _did_ have a workload favouring gobs of cache, like say most sw dev profiles |
| 13:13.17 | dutchfish | mynullvoid, just use a smart host setup thats easy |
| 13:13.25 | xingu | mynullvoid: better idea to just have enough physical memory to keep your apps and their data paged in :) |
| 13:13.58 | Tabakhase | http://www.nopaste.name/42736/ correct so? (Interfaces cfg for networking) |
| 13:14.03 | dutchfish | xingu, yes |
| 13:14.50 | mynullvoid | Trend Micro have such product and we can't afford one |
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| 13:15.02 | mynullvoid | so I am thinking of using opensource |
| 13:15.28 | Nuxis | xrandr just don't see a second screen :s |
| 13:15.46 | dotz | err i used cp to copy files from /backup to /var ..but the permission of all files become root:root hmm |
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| 13:16.40 | dotz | how to make it follow the parent's permission? |
| 13:16.49 | Tabakhase | --help |
| 13:16.52 | Tabakhase | man cp |
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| 13:18.20 | xingu | dotz: "cp -a"; make sure /var is a filesystem that supports unix ownerships/perms |
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| 13:18.52 | dotz | ah its the -p ..ok thanks! successQ! |
| 13:19.12 | Nuxis | could it be possible I need drivers for the second vga port? |
| 13:19.15 | simon___ | Help, I'm stuck with a british keyboard layout and have no hash or pipe character. How can I change it to US english layout? (this is in console mode, I haven't installed X yet) |
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| 13:20.29 | Nuxis | simon___: setxbkmap us |
| 13:20.36 | Nuxis | or loadkeys |
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| 13:21.10 | Tabakhase | how to restart the interfaces? |
| 13:21.25 | eth01 | Tabakhase: /etc/init.d/networking restart |
| 13:21.28 | Tabakhase | sikkle locales |
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| 13:22.04 | Tabakhase | eth01 thanks, and could you take a look to http://www.nopaste.name/42736/ ? |
| 13:22.04 | simon___ | Nuxis: Thankyou, loadkeys has saved me. |
| 13:22.23 | man_in_shack | anyone here having trouble with sid updates? |
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| 13:22.38 | eth01 | Tabakhase: correct. |
| 13:22.45 | man_in_shack | or is it just me? |
| 13:22.54 | Tabakhase | thanks, so ill give it a try... *hope* |
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| 13:23.06 | eth01 | Tabakhase: pastebin 'ifconfig' |
| 13:23.21 | asami | hi , i have chrooted into a debian from knoppix - but cannot networking working on the debian (its working on knoppix). or should i ask in the knoppix forum? |
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| 13:24.18 | Tabakhase | seems to work, thank you =) |
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| 13:27.35 | Nuxis | guys xrandr can't find the second screen could it be the KVM-switch? |
| 13:27.57 | DJ-Marcuzz | hi |
| 13:28.00 | CalJohn | What is a good way of measuring the speed of reads/writes to/from a disk? I want to find out how much hd io I have. |
| 13:28.14 | DJ-Marcuzz | what could be the problem, when it takes like 2 minutes to mount an nfs export? |
| 13:28.18 | man_in_shack | Nuxis, you have a kvm switch with your two monitors attached or are they both attached to the graphics card? |
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| 13:28.27 | cahoot | CalJohn: bonnie++? |
| 13:28.52 | Nuxis | the second on the graphich card |
| 13:28.58 | cahoot | DJ-Marcuzz: portmap not loaded? |
| 13:29.19 | DJ-Marcuzz | cahoot, it mounts, but it takes 2 complete minutes |
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| 13:29.42 | CalJohn | cahoot: looks like just the ticket |
| 13:29.48 | DustyDingo | hm, are there any lice-cds which feature a memtest image? |
| 13:29.49 | man_in_shack | Nuxis, what graphics card and driver are you using? |
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| 13:30.58 | man_in_shack | DustyDingo, not sure, but i think RIP (Recovery Is Possible) does |
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| 13:31.21 | Nuxis | man_in_shack: for my laptop driver, i810.. the other output get's to my computer |
| 13:31.36 | asami | anyone knows how to get networking running in a chrooted debian system (from knoppix) |
| 13:31.37 | Nuxis | windows*** FX5200 |
| 13:31.42 | TrueDD | Hi all |
| 13:31.49 | Nuxis | asami: dhclient.. |
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| 13:32.22 | man_in_shack | Nuxis, i'm confused. are you using fx5200 or i810 graphics card with the two monitors? or one each? |
| 13:32.27 | asami | Nuxis, dhclient eth0? |
| 13:32.37 | Nuxis | asami: yea try that |
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| 13:32.57 | DJ-Marcuzz | ok portmap did indeed do the trick |
| 13:33.06 | Nuxis | man_in_shack: I got a kvm swith one line is on my windows computer and the other on my unic (only the vga, not the ps2) |
| 13:33.30 | asami | Nuxis, /proc/net/dev :No such file.. |
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| 13:33.43 | man_in_shack | and you have two monitors connected to one computer, right? |
| 13:33.50 | man_in_shack | remember, a kvm counts as a SINGLE monitor |
| 13:33.54 | Nuxis | man_in_shack: no 2 computers on 1 monitor |
| 13:34.00 | man_in_shack | as far as the computer is concerned |
| 13:34.15 | Nuxis | asami: ifconfig |
| 13:34.24 | RickyWh | why doesn't update-rc.d --remove work? update-rc.d --remove daytime // for instance |
| 13:34.42 | mynullvoid | RickWh: use rcconf |
| 13:34.52 | man_in_shack | Nuxis, so what's this "can't find the second screen" stuff? |
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| 13:35.17 | Nuxis | well see I put one line from the kvm swith on my laptop (ONLY the vga) |
| 13:35.27 | Nuxis | and that screen xrandr doesn't see |
| 13:35.36 | asami | Nuxis, tried that " cannot open /proc/net/dev (no such file). Limited output" |
| 13:35.40 | eth01 | updatedb. |
| 13:35.50 | lukas_ | Hi, I would like to know if making jre work in iceweasel can be done by simply installing java-jre6 package. It seems not to work for me, what else do I need? |
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| 13:35.59 | man_in_shack | Nuxis, and it does see it if it's connected directly? |
| 13:36.12 | RickyWh | mynullvoid, i just installed and ran rcconf, however it doesn't have any of the things to remove from my tutorial i'm following |
| 13:36.25 | RickyWh | does this tool show all? |
| 13:36.35 | Nuxis | man_in_shack: indeed |
| 13:36.39 | Nuxis | asami: dunno about that |
| 13:36.49 | man_in_shack | Nuxis, you might need to give xorg an edid file or something |
| 13:37.03 | man_in_shack | the kvm's probably not being friendly |
| 13:37.03 | Nuxis | yea think I run dpkg-reconfigure |
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| 13:37.41 | asami | Nuxis, thanks anyway |
| 13:38.15 | edistar_ | why is iceweasel hogging all my system resources? does anyone else have that problem too? |
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| 13:39.56 | alleyoopster | edistar_: it's often a plugin that does this such as flash |
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| 13:42.14 | spq | i have a small debian repository where i put self compiled kernels and backported packages - but i have to answer yes to the question if i want to install a unsigned package everytime i install a package from this repository... how can i fix this? |
| 13:42.21 | DJ-Marcuzz | ok, i have another wuestion: i moount my nfs export at /storage, and i have an program that writes to /storage, but hwat happens when the pc reboots, and /storage is not mounted, what will hapen to the data that the program writes to /storage? |
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| 13:43.22 | spq | DJ-Marcuzz, the same what happens if you dont mount any other filesystem there |
| 13:43.31 | spq | it is written to the underlying device |
| 13:43.35 | DJ-Marcuzz | it gets doped at the local disk? |
| 13:43.44 | spq | so why not add it to fstab? |
| 13:44.07 | DJ-Marcuzz | spq, how can i stop that, becaus the tool would fill up the complete drive :| |
| 13:44.21 | spq | have it mounted everytime |
| 13:44.40 | DJ-Marcuzz | yes, but when for some reason it cannnot connect to the nfs server it would leave it unmounted |
| 13:44.56 | DJ-Marcuzz | i have the mount in fstab |
| 13:45.18 | edistar_ | DJ-Marcuzz: what would happen is that it fills your hdd |
| 13:45.21 | spq | or if it sometimes cannot be mounted and you want to make sure that to the directory noone can write, just make the directory unwritable to everyone |
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| 13:45.42 | DJ-Marcuzz | spq, and how would i do that? |
| 13:45.55 | spq | unmount it, chmod 000 /storage |
| 13:45.58 | asami | Here is a question - i have a debian with no networking, can i install a kernel , by downloading it with a different box , putting it on a usb and trasfering it to the debian system? if so what command should i use ? dpkg ? |
| 13:46.03 | DJ-Marcuzz | ok thx |
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| 13:46.32 | spq | dpkg -i <deb file> |
| 13:46.53 | spq | dpkg -P dpkg |
| 13:46.54 | edistar_ | alleyoopster: the only plugin I have is flash, and I need it.. any way to optimize/debug? |
| 13:46.54 | RickyWh | how do i update my apt-cache ? |
| 13:47.01 | edistar_ | RickyWh: apt-get update |
| 13:47.10 | spq | hmm, dpkg doesnt like to purge itself ^^ |
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| 13:47.29 | spq | RickyWh, apt-get update |
| 13:47.32 | edistar_ | spq: heh |
| 13:47.36 | spq | oh ^^ |
| 13:47.50 | RickyWh | to install bind is it apt-get install bind or should i use 'bind9' |
| 13:48.10 | spq | if the package is called bind9, you would use bind9 |
| 13:48.36 | spq | probably it is called bind9 but bind is a virtual package pointing to bind9, i dunno |
| 13:48.51 | spq | just try bind - if it does not work, install bind9 |
| 13:49.02 | RickyWh | so what is the command to get the latest bind jeez |
| 13:49.37 | spq | apt-get install bind, if the package is called bind |
| 13:49.43 | dutchfish | !tell RickyWh about apt-search |
| 13:49.51 | alleyoopster | edistar_: not as far as I know, if you find that is definately your problem then I think there is a free flash plugin you could try |
| 13:49.59 | edistar_ | alleyoopster: ah, ok |
| 13:49.59 | wols | RickyWh: why do you need bind? |
| 13:50.06 | RickyWh | dutchfish, i've been using apt-cache search until you just mentioned that |
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| 13:50.26 | RickyWh | i'm creating a nameserver for testing and education purposes |
| 13:50.27 | spq | normally the version isnt added to the package name, RickyWh |
| 13:50.30 | wols | RickyWh: as a rule, people who don't know what DNS server they want usually shouldn't run one for their own good |
| 13:50.31 | dutchfish | RickyWh, ok |
| 13:50.46 | RickyWh | lol |
| 13:51.03 | spq | RickyWh, i dont know if bind is good - it is a bit complicated, why not use something easier? |
| 13:51.11 | wols | !lol |
| 13:51.12 | dpkg | If you want to laugh, use heh or hah or bwahahaha. lol doesn't sound like laughter at all and makes you look like an AOL user. |
| 13:51.21 | hoxu | !bot abuse |
| 13:51.36 | RickyWh | dutchfish: btw, apt-search don't work |
| 13:51.49 | RickyWh | omg! |
| 13:51.50 | nullvoid | apt-cache search |
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| 13:51.53 | RickyWh | k |
| 13:51.53 | dutchfish | RickyWh, apt-cache search was meant |
| 13:51.57 | wols | !tell RickyWh about doesn't work |
| 13:52.06 | asg | wols: has it been like this all morning? |
| 13:52.10 | RickyWh | !tell ricky to fuck off |
| 13:52.16 | spq | RickyWh, i like dnsmasq for jobs where i want a small dns proxy with some extras and a dhcp server |
| 13:52.17 | wols | asg: it's sunday |
| 13:52.27 | dutchfish | :) |
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| 13:52.36 | nu11 | huh |
| 13:52.45 | hoxu | !calmdown wols RickyWh |
| 13:52.48 | asg | wols: of course it is, it seems slightly worse than usual |
| 13:52.55 | spq | RickyWh, bind is a bit big for most jobs |
| 13:52.59 | wols | RickyWh: the standard opus about bind has 640 pages. bind has a plethora of security holes and pitfalls. no one wants to use it if one doesn't have to |
| 13:53.22 | RickyWh | really? i thought it was the holy grail |
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| 13:53.46 | RickyWh | turns out it's the holy grail of being exploited? |
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| 13:54.01 | spq | it is the oldes dns server iirc |
| 13:54.17 | spq | and because of that is/was used very often |
| 13:54.28 | spq | i like power dns too |
| 13:54.29 | RickyWh | you can run bin9 in chroot and your all set? |
| 13:54.30 | bonkers-matt | hello there, how do you make apt download a deb without installing it? |
| 13:54.44 | asg | bonkers-matt: -d |
| 13:54.46 | hoxu | bonkers-matt, there's download-only option, I think -d |
| 13:54.54 | hoxu | asg :F |
| 13:54.55 | spq | RickyWh, a chroot is not really 100% secure |
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| 13:55.10 | RickyWh | why not? |
| 13:55.15 | bonkers-matt | apt-get install -d something.deb? |
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| 13:55.28 | hoxu | some old beards argue chroot is and was never meant to be a security feature |
| 13:55.46 | hoxu | bonkers-matt, drop the .deb |
| 13:55.48 | alleyoopster | I want to carry my xfce config to another distro. I would like to know where debian keeps all the config files and is this possible? |
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| 13:56.00 | epsilon | RickyWh: same kernel/filesystem/... |
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| 13:56.12 | nu11void | huh |
| 13:56.13 | bonkers-matt | hoxu, yes of course, ta |
| 13:56.37 | bonkers-matt | adios fellow debianers |
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| 13:57.50 | hoxu | RickyWh, if your chroot has setuid binaries then it's safe only if those contain no exploits and none of the programs running in it run as root... and even then it can be broken out of with certain open file handles, kernel vulnerabilities, etc... google it up :p |
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| 13:58.20 | spq | mknod is dangerous too |
| 13:58.30 | RickyWh | k |
| 13:58.31 | edistar_ | hoxu: is there an alternative that is safe? |
| 13:58.39 | wols | alleyoopster: all system config files are in /etc, all user's configfiles are in the user's ~ |
| 13:58.47 | RickyWh | setuid binaries are standard? |
| 13:58.51 | spq | edistar_, you can make it more securewith things like Linux-VServer or OpenVZ |
| 13:59.16 | wols | spq: that is no safety |
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| 13:59.19 | dutchfish | spq, or Xen |
| 13:59.20 | edistar_ | spq: ah, ok.. or with Xen? Is it secure to have domUs? |
| 13:59.22 | spq | but this still isnt 100% secure (kernel bugs...) |
| 13:59.22 | wols | edistar_: yes, different machines |
| 13:59.33 | edistar_ | wols: obviously ;) |
| 13:59.39 | DJ-Marcuzz | whats up with SF.net, i cant seem to get files form prdownloads.sf.net |
| 13:59.42 | hoxu | indeed, nothing is secure ! |
| 13:59.43 | wols | edistar_: virtualization is not a security feature at all |
| 13:59.58 | alleyoopster | wols: thanks, I can only find files under /etc/xdg/xfce4 known under users home. |
| 13:59.59 | spq | yes xen is another thing which is much more secure - but its still the same box... |
| 14:00.20 | spq | but xen has some ressource disadvantages |
| 14:00.42 | spq | you have to allocate ram to a dom and cant shrink the amount... |
| 14:01.01 | hoxu | virtualization, like chroots, is used for security, but it's still relatively new thing and should be treated as such (start counting the "vulnerabitilies"/problematic features...) |
| 14:01.34 | hoxu | (also, beware of the aforementioned old beards, you'll put your personal safety in line if you claim you use either for added security !) |
| 14:01.54 | spq | chroot is not virtualisation, is it? |
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| 14:02.03 | wols | spq: correct |
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| 14:02.27 | spq | xen is virtualisation, chroot, lvs, openvz is separation or so |
| 14:02.44 | edistar_ | what purpose was chroot written for? |
| 14:02.57 | dutchfish | compilation |
| 14:03.03 | wols | to disallow prgrams running under it access to the bigger filesystem |
| 14:03.17 | wols | so it could only corrupt its own little peice |
| 14:03.32 | wols | .g. not allowing ftpds access to /usre |
| 14:03.33 | edistar_ | heh, so it is a kind of security thing |
| 14:03.40 | hoxu | see what dutchfish said, it can be used to test program compiling and stuff in different environment than the root one |
| 14:03.52 | spq | easier writing of daemons like ftp - they setup the connection and then chroot to the users home dir |
| 14:04.02 | edistar_ | ok |
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| 14:05.04 | hoxu | see here for ultimate truth & history: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chroot |
| 14:05.24 | vampirefrog | hi. how can I search for a package that contains a particular file? In my case, /usr/src/linux/include/linux/version.h |
| 14:05.37 | simon____ | hoxu: "ultimate truth" and "wikipedia" in the same sentence... |
| 14:05.42 | hoxu | !tell vampirefrog about search |
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| 14:06.35 | hoxu | simon____, according to an article I'm writing there right now it has been proven scientifically true that articles that have last been edited by anonymous users are 100% correct! |
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| 14:07.16 | mitziyahu | Any recommendations for a pop3 daemon? |
| 14:07.26 | asg | mitziyahu: dovecot |
| 14:07.35 | wols | mitziyahu: none. use an imap one (most/all can do pop3 too) |
| 14:07.38 | spq | courier |
| 14:07.43 | asg | hoxu: did you write it anonymously though? |
| 14:07.47 | dutchfish | wols, imaps i hope |
| 14:07.48 | spq | cyrrus |
| 14:07.55 | hoxu | asg, damn you. |
| 14:08.03 | vampirefrog | hoxu, thx |
| 14:08.11 | wols | dutchfish: depends how and when you use it |
| 14:08.16 | mitziyahu | wols so any for imap? |
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| 14:08.27 | dutchfish | wols, fair enough ;) |
| 14:08.34 | wols | mitziyahu: asg and spq told you about the 3 choices you have |
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| 14:09.05 | mitziyahu | dovecot, courier and cyrrus? |
| 14:09.11 | spq | right |
| 14:09.12 | wols | dutchfish: e.g. I use it only inside my LAN which mean no TLS, since from away I use webmail interface |
| 14:09.20 | mitziyahu | which one is easiest to mess with? i dont want the postfix mess D: |
| 14:09.26 | dutchfish | wols, i got it :) |
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| 14:09.34 | wols | mitziyahu: dovecot or courier |
| 14:09.38 | simon____ | how much effort do you think it would take to get a job at nvidia, get the source for their driver, along with some detailed documentation, and then upload it to the internet? I have a strange feeling I'm too lazy. |
| 14:09.40 | wols | and postfix is very easy |
| 14:09.59 | mitziyahu | easy |
| 14:10.00 | spq | postfix is much more easier than sendmail |
| 14:10.01 | wols | simon____: how far do you want to go into debt? |
| 14:10.23 | mitziyahu | but quirks like mails not getting sent cause i didnt postmap the virtual file is aaahrgrg |
| 14:10.29 | wols | cause nvidia will bankrupt you and no linux user will ever use the drivers you leaked |
| 14:10.32 | simon____ | wols: I don't think debt is an issue. What's the worst they can do? order me to give them money I don't have? |
| 14:10.42 | vampirefrog | how can I fix this: W: GPG error: http://ftp.ro.debian.org lenny Release: The following signatures were invalid: BADSIG A70DAF536070D3A1 Debian Archive Automatic Signing Key (4.0/etch) <ftpmaster@debian.org> |
| 14:11.00 | dutchfish | simon____, beside that this is offtopic it would be a criminal act |
| 14:11.16 | simon____ | wols: I think you missed the part about the detailed documentation. it could be used to write a free driver. |
| 14:11.31 | wols | simon____: no one will go near that docs who can program |
| 14:11.42 | hoxu | vampirefrog, uh, something wrong with your mirror? |
| 14:11.51 | wols | and no one who writes a driver from it will get it ever distirbuted |
| 14:12.02 | wols | e.g. debian would never ever allow such a driver in their repos |
| 14:12.23 | simon____ | wols: and how would they tell the difference between a reverse engineerd driver and one written from specs? |
| 14:12.31 | vampirefrog | hoxu, not sure. brb |
| 14:12.56 | wols | simon____: do you want to get sued by a billion dollar ocmpany? no programmer does |
| 14:13.04 | wols | they, if they are any good, do have money to lose |
| 14:13.17 | wols | and there are ways to prove it |
| 14:13.18 | man_in_shack | hmmph |
| 14:13.34 | man_in_shack | i have an apt-cacher server here |
| 14:13.40 | man_in_shack | and every 2nd download is failing |
| 14:13.56 | man_in_shack | with the error message "0 OK" |
| 14:14.30 | spq | there are some techniques which can "allow" you to reverse engineer - one guy writing documentation and another one writing code from the documentation etc |
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| 14:14.51 | mitziyahu | thanks fellas |
| 14:15.01 | hoxu | man_in_shack, poke me the day you find a debian mirror cache/proxy that actually works (with no regular restarting) |
| 14:15.18 | man_in_shack | hoxu, up until just recently, apt-cacher was ok |
| 14:15.38 | man_in_shack | been having massive problems today |
| 14:15.52 | simon____ | spq: that's what I was thinking. What would be the difference between documentation written by a reverse engineerer and documentation that had been stolen? |
| 14:16.13 | edistar | simon____: it would be legal.. |
| 14:16.17 | spq | you did not write the documentation |
| 14:16.19 | hoxu | !penixstrike simon____ |
| 14:16.19 | dpkg | A towering Penix descends from the heavens, knocking simon____ to the ground and leaving a large wet spot. |
| 14:16.25 | hoxu | !troll gong |
| 14:16.26 | dpkg | BONNGGGGG!! |
| 14:16.39 | mitziyahu | lol |
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| 14:17.35 | simon____ | and if someone were to steal it, and then claim that they had reversed it, they'd be in trouble, but what about the people who coded a driver thinking the specs were legal? |
| 14:18.01 | simon____ | I'm not trying to troll, I'm trying to have an offtopic conversation. Apologies if there isn't actually a difference. |
| 14:18.03 | man_in_shack | this is very annoying |
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| 14:18.15 | man_in_shack | seems to reliable fail on every second package download |
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| 14:18.26 | man_in_shack | simon____, take it to #offtopic then |
| 14:18.27 | spq | what if you buy something from anyone who has stolen it? |
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| 14:19.24 | tralala | what if you don't know that it's stolen? |
| 14:19.26 | edistar | how can I reset the viewed xserver resolution? I seem to have 1024x800 or so but only view VGA |
| 14:19.35 | edistar | tralala: that doesn't save you |
| 14:19.41 | edistar | tralala: and it would be obvious in this case |
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| 14:19.49 | spq | edistar, depends on law |
| 14:19.50 | hoxu | man_in_shack, checked the bts? |
| 14:20.03 | spq | edistar, in some contries it saves you |
| 14:20.13 | spq | countries |
| 14:20.13 | edistar | spq: where? ;) |
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| 14:20.13 | man_in_shack | i always forget about that |
| 14:20.14 | tralala | edistar, what do you get from xrandr? |
| 14:20.36 | spq | hmm, dont remember sweden danmark or norway |
| 14:20.47 | edistar | tralala: it tells me 1024x768 |
| 14:21.04 | edistar | but I keep having to scroll up and down with my mouse |
| 14:21.20 | tralala | it surely tells more than that |
| 14:21.24 | edistar | tralala: I was playing supertux and it crashed so I had to kill it.. it kept its resolution I suppose |
| 14:21.28 | tralala | paste it on rafb.net/paste |
| 14:22.10 | spq | edistar, i always changed the resolution to anything else and changed back to what i wanted if such things happened |
| 14:22.17 | dutchfish | this discusion is upside down, the question should be, would i buy a product with/without open source drivers, even if i would pay more fore it, yes i would. i try to ban as many products as i can that only come along with propriarety software, [gandhi style]. |
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| 14:22.48 | edistar | tralala: http://cut.and.paste.org/index.php?id=1657 |
| 14:23.04 | edistar | spq: how? |
| 14:23.09 | kiiz | hi guys(and gals) |
| 14:23.23 | spq | edistar, i was using kde - with kdes tools |
| 14:23.29 | tralala | edistar, try ctrl+alt+keypad_plus |
| 14:23.46 | spq | that didnt help me mostly |
| 14:24.04 | tralala | or keypad_minus |
| 14:24.11 | rmaj | in freeciv, how can bring up the diplomacy dialog |
| 14:24.20 | spq | #freeciv |
| 14:24.38 | kiiz | is it possible to download a debian gnome cd with jigdo using file from the kde version |
| 14:24.56 | rmaj | spq: typical solution do not work, perhaps debian version of freeciv is too old and it is done in different way here |
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| 14:25.36 | edistar | tralala: won't work |
| 14:25.36 | spq | rmaj, then check the debianspecific changelog or use backports |
| 14:26.06 | man_in_shack | uhhoh |
| 14:26.15 | psyche__ | how i can save motd? |
| 14:26.30 | man_in_shack | i just killed my server's apt db :( |
| 14:26.36 | hoxu | psyche__, save motd as in... make a copy of it or what? |
| 14:26.41 | tralala | edistar, neither of kp+, kp-? |
| 14:26.47 | spq | psyche__, use your camera |
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| 14:26.59 | psyche__ | hoxu every time when i boot my motd disappears |
| 14:27.03 | edistar | tralala: neither |
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| 14:27.22 | man_in_shack | i hope i haven't lost the data re the packages that are installed |
| 14:27.29 | tralala | edistar, try to change it using xrandr. Try also to start the game again and exit it normaly. |
| 14:27.49 | edistar | tralala: ah, good idea :) |
| 14:28.10 | hoxu | psyche__, /etc/default/rcS has a "EDITMOTD=YES" line, maybe you want to tweak that |
| 14:28.36 | fyrestrtr | is there a command that can generate a sources.list ? |
| 14:28.50 | tarzeau | fyrestrtr: yes, telnet linuks.mine.nu |
| 14:28.51 | edistar | fyrestrtr: I'd be interested in that too.. |
| 14:29.02 | tarzeau | fyrestrtr: but be sure to use the sed to get a stable one |
| 14:29.12 | fyrestrtr | what does telnet have to do with it? |
| 14:29.16 | tralala | there's apt-setup but I don't know if it's not depreciated |
| 14:29.23 | tarzeau | fyrestrtr: the command above gives you my sources.list |
| 14:29.45 | tarzeau | fyrestrtr: telnet connects to my computer and prints my sources.list. one could also use a webserver and curl or wget |
| 14:29.45 | fyrestrtr | I don't need yours -- I need a command to regenerate one. |
| 14:29.54 | tarzeau | fyrestrtr: but those are more to type or don't exist at install time |
| 14:30.08 | tarzeau | fyrestrtr: what's wrong with your current one? |
| 14:30.17 | fyrestrtr | its blank :) |
| 14:30.27 | edistar | tarzeau: isn't telnet dangerous? |
| 14:30.35 | edistar | fyrestrtr: who would know which repos you need.. |
| 14:30.35 | tarzeau | edistar: no, it's just not encrypted |
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| 14:30.48 | tarzeau | edistar: who needs more than the one and official main? |
| 14:30.48 | fyrestrtr | its a fresh install |
| 14:30.54 | hoxu | !tell fyrestrtr about apt-spy |
| 14:31.01 | fyrestrtr | so I need the vanilla list |
| 14:31.04 | tarzeau | edistar: then, irc would be dangerous too |
| 14:31.10 | edistar | tarzeau: true ;) |
| 14:31.17 | edistar | tarzeau: I mixed that up ... :/ |
| 14:31.27 | RickyWh | my friend tells me not to run anything mail on my linux as spammers will use it. whats he talking about? |
| 14:31.28 | fifficus | could someone help me to install my WLAN card? |
| 14:31.29 | wols | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:31.44 | wols | it will give you a nice description how to create one. nothing fancy needed with debian |
| 14:31.53 | tarzeau | RickyWh: open relays |
| 14:31.55 | wols | fifficus: what WLAN chip? |
| 14:32.09 | edistar | RickyWh: if you have a mailserver and it gets hacked or you have configured it wrongly that it becomes a relay server for spam you will bombard the world with spam |
| 14:32.11 | spq | RickyWh, he means that you should not setup an mail server and open it for everyone |
| 14:32.32 | tralala | RickyWh, I'd like to ask him the very same question. |
| 14:32.36 | wols | edistar: if you get hacked you are a spam zombie if you run a malserver or nto |
| 14:32.39 | RickyWh | ok, do the perfect setups on howtoforge close off relay? |
| 14:32.39 | edistar | RickyWh: if you are behind a router then it's easy to forget to close it |
| 14:32.43 | spq | RickyWh, but if you have dialup, the chances are good that most mailservers dont accept mail from you |
| 14:32.54 | tarzeau | spq: that's not true |
| 14:33.04 | dutchfish | wols, what does dpkg-reconfigure apt exactly do besides key regeneration? |
| 14:33.05 | tarzeau | spq: most mailservers will accept mail, but some will not |
| 14:33.06 | edistar | spq: you can use your ISPs relay usually |
| 14:33.10 | kiiz | is it possible to download a debian gnome cd with jigdo using file from the kde version or do i have to redownload all files again |
| 14:33.21 | wols | dutchfish: no clue. check the postinst script of it |
| 14:33.22 | RickyWh | is he talking specifically about open relays or outgoing mail server? |
| 14:33.30 | spq | tarzeau, okay, the big ones normally dont accept mails from dialup ip ranges |
| 14:33.35 | tarzeau | spq: i'm not really on dialup, but on a dynamic ip (which doesn't change often, say once a year) |
| 14:33.38 | edistar | RickyWh: open relays |
| 14:33.49 | fifficus | i think i am to register first |
| 14:33.54 | tarzeau | spq: i still disagree, i would say gmail.com is big, and it does take such mails |
| 14:34.05 | wols | tarzeau: various fmailservres don't accept mail from me. and I am on sorta dialup |
| 14:34.06 | tralala | kiiz, debian doesn't have a gnome or kde version - it supports both. Look in your .jidgo file and see if gnome is there |
| 14:34.08 | RickyWh | so i need to run closed relays instead |
| 14:34.12 | wols | enough for needing a smarthost |
| 14:34.18 | spq | tarzeau, probably your ip range is not listed as dialup |
| 14:34.33 | wols | RickyWh: you need to learn how to configure a mailserver correctly. by default debian doesn't ship them as open relays |
| 14:34.34 | tarzeau | spq: can you check 80.219.69.186 ? |
| 14:34.39 | edistar | tarzeau: I have a static ip that has never changed ( 5 years now) do you think all mailservers will accept my mail if everything(reverse lookup etc) is correct? |
| 14:34.42 | wols | but when you misconfigure oyu can easily make them open |
| 14:34.58 | tarzeau | edistar: if everything is smtp conform, they should accept it yes |
| 14:35.04 | edistar | tarzeau: ok |
| 14:35.07 | RickyWh | damn, now how am i supposed to know what settings cause it to be open relay |
| 14:35.12 | RickyWh | is there a way to test my server ? |
| 14:35.15 | wols | edistar: there are no guarantees. it's if you are in a DNSRBL they won't accept no matter how static your IP is |
| 14:35.17 | tarzeau | RickyWh: you can check easily |
| 14:35.21 | edistar | RickyWh: test what exactly? |
| 14:35.23 | fyrestrtr | RickyWh: yes, google for open relay test |
| 14:35.27 | RickyWh | test for open relay |
| 14:35.28 | RickyWh | ahh ok |
| 14:35.32 | edistar | wols: what is a DNSRBL? |
| 14:35.40 | wols | edistar: google it |
| 14:35.53 | wols | fyrestrtr: there is no comprehensive test |
| 14:36.08 | fyrestrtr | true |
| 14:36.27 | fyrestrtr | but if you don't know what is an open relay -- maybe you shouldn't be running a mail server? :) |
| 14:36.33 | wols | e.g I once had someone that had a open relay since he allowed his local subnet and someone else in that local subnet of his ISP had a trojan. the trojan sent all spam through him |
| 14:36.52 | wols | fyrestrtr: RickyWh already asked about running bind. ther is no hope for him |
| 14:36.56 | RickyWh | do ya'll agree with maildir format or unix format? |
| 14:37.01 | spq | tarzeau, it is listed |
| 14:37.31 | wols | fifficus: tell you mummy you want to learn how not to msg strangers unaeked |
| 14:37.32 | spq | tarzeau, eg http://www.sorbs.net/lookup.shtml?80.219.69.186 |
| 14:37.34 | RickyWh | ok i'm obviously a newb, but i'm reading a linux administration book as we speak as well as severals docs open and even got myself a $5 VPS for testing, muahahaa |
| 14:37.43 | wols | Unix format? |
| 14:37.57 | fifficus | quite nice, thanks for help -.- |
| 14:38.03 | tarzeau | spq: that webpage sucks, it calls my mailserver exploitable, which it is not |
| 14:38.07 | RickyWh | well, unix format mailbox as oppose to maildir format which instead stores mail in lots of files |
| 14:38.12 | spq | tarzeau, http://www.dnsstuff.com/tools/ip4r.ch?ip=80.219.69.186 |
| 14:38.13 | man_in_shack | ok, bug 448092 is related to my problem |
| 14:38.23 | wols | RickyWh: what you call unix format is called mbox |
| 14:38.24 | man_in_shack | and the solutions suggested there seem to work for me |
| 14:38.25 | wols | avoid it |
| 14:38.26 | tralala | fifficus, /msg dpkg msg |
| 14:38.38 | spq | tarzeau, http://www.spamhaus.org/query/bl?ip=80.219.69.186 an important list |
| 14:38.48 | RickyWh | wols, ahh k |
| 14:38.51 | tarzeau | spq: the 2nd url only works when logged in, got no account |
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| 14:39.06 | RickyWh | wols, reading two places on the internet called it unix mailbox format hehe, |
| 14:39.09 | tralala | wols, why avoid mbox? |
| 14:39.19 | wols | tralala: no subfolders usually |
| 14:39.27 | fifficus | so what was wrong? |
| 14:39.30 | spq | ok, but the ip is listed on min 10 spam lists with the comment dynamic address range or received spam form range |
| 14:39.38 | wols | maildir has other problems of course, like possibly abysmal preformance |
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| 14:39.54 | tarzeau | spq: and to spamhaus.org i can't even connect... |
| 14:40.13 | kiiz | tralala: there is no gnome directory in the jidgo file.it does have a kde directory. the name od the jigdo file is 'debian-40r1-i386-kde-CD-1.jigdo' |
| 14:40.28 | wols | tarzeau: I _knew_ something was wrong with you, you evil spammer |
| 14:40.34 | spq | tarzeau, hmm i can |
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| 14:40.50 | wols | kiiz: get the gnome cd jigdo file then |
| 14:40.55 | Led_Zeppelin | is it possible to know what type of filesystem a partition is? |
| 14:40.57 | tarzeau | spq: i can connect to www.playboy.com so it can't be an internet problem on my side |
| 14:41.01 | tralala | kiiz, oh... well I guess you'd need a -gnome .jigdo file then |
| 14:41.03 | Led_Zeppelin | is there a command to identify that? |
| 14:41.05 | tarzeau | wols: you know i'm not one |
| 14:41.09 | wols | Led_Zeppelin: already mounted |
| 14:41.14 | wols | tarzeau: that's what all spammers say |
| 14:41.16 | hoxu | Led_Zeppelin, mount -l |
| 14:41.18 | Led_Zeppelin | wols, no, not mounted |
| 14:41.23 | tarzeau | wols: what was your email address again? |
| 14:41.24 | fifficus | spammer? i asked for help, you asked what chip, i told you and now youre upset |
| 14:41.27 | fifficus | i dont get it |
| 14:41.29 | Led_Zeppelin | the partition is not mounted |
| 14:41.31 | wols | Led_Zeppelin: try to simply mount it, often it will mount automatically |
| 14:41.38 | spq | tarzeau, probably they block http traffic for ips which are listed as spam mails |
| 14:41.42 | tralala | fifficus, what are you talking about? |
| 14:41.44 | spq | s/mails/ips/ |
| 14:41.45 | tarzeau | spq: how lame |
| 14:41.49 | Led_Zeppelin | wols: right, but just for curiousty, there is a command to tell what a filesystem is |
| 14:41.58 | wols | Led_Zeppelin: tried "file"? |
| 14:42.00 | hoxu | Led_Zeppelin, file -s /dev/xxx |
| 14:42.03 | tralala | fifficus, is that your first time on IRC? |
| 14:42.04 | RickyWh | is postfix fine to use as a email server? |
| 14:42.05 | spq | check your ip in dnsstuff, you get a list of most spam lists |
| 14:42.06 | fifficus | im talking about my wlan card |
| 14:42.11 | fifficus | nearly first |
| 14:42.12 | wols | RickyWh: yes |
| 14:42.15 | tarzeau | spq: i don't care about them, they are useless |
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| 14:42.25 | spq | why? |
| 14:42.37 | tarzeau | spq: i don't need them to sort out spam |
| 14:42.39 | wols | spq: cause there are inherent problems with RBLs |
| 14:42.46 | tralala | !tell fifficus -about msg |
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| 14:42.51 | tarzeau | spq: they make too much false positives |
| 14:42.57 | fifficus | i already read it |
| 14:43.13 | fyrestrtr | some RBLs require payment before they delist you -- making them more money scams than anything else. |
| 14:43.26 | RickyWh | whats command to see all services running? |
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| 14:43.40 | dutchfish | RickyWh, ps auxww |
| 14:43.42 | tralala | fifficus, and you still don't understand what you did wrong? |
| 14:44.15 | wols | !tell fifficus about ipw2200 |
| 14:44.20 | fifficus | maybe i should have asked wols if i'm allowed to send him a pm? |
| 14:44.26 | spq | we were listed with our web mail server some weeks ago because a webspace customer used unsafe php - we were listed for two weeks on some lists but had not to pay - we could pay te get removed faster |
| 14:44.36 | kiiz | tralala: i know. but will i be able to reuse other files on the kde cd for the gnome download when using jigdo-lite |
| 14:44.47 | wols | fifficus: you shouldn't have used a PM in the first place. all you did could have asked in the open |
| 14:44.49 | hoxu | fifficus, ask the whole channel, and keep the discussion here |
| 14:44.51 | tralala | fifficus, you should keep the discusstion *on* the channel. You're not the only one who might benefit from the answers |
| 14:44.58 | spq | tarzeau, i dont mean you should use the spam list but you should make sure you are not on sucha spam list |
| 14:45.08 | tarzeau | spq: why should i? |
| 14:45.09 | spq | tarzeau, because some users use such spam lists |
| 14:45.13 | fifficus | okay, im sorry |
| 14:45.14 | tarzeau | spq: they don't remove me, they suck |
| 14:45.20 | tarzeau | spq: their problem, isn't it? |
| 14:45.32 | wols | tarzeau: what reasoning do they give? cause I can't imagine the ethz to spam... |
| 14:45.43 | wols | if so, times are more dire in .ch than I thought |
| 14:45.46 | tralala | kiiz, oh, yes - you can point the -kde cd as a source - it will use whatever it can from there |
| 14:45.46 | tarzeau | wols: oh it's my private ip |
| 14:46.01 | wols | tarzeau: is your private ISP so disreputable? another thing I can't believe? |
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| 14:46.20 | tarzeau | wols: www.cablecom.ch (one of the big cable modem isps of .ch) |
| 14:46.20 | spq | if it is no problem when outgoing mail can be dropped without notice - then its no problem |
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| 14:46.29 | kiiz | tralala, that why i love debian |
| 14:46.30 | RickyWh | dutchfish, thx |
| 14:46.35 | tarzeau | wols: THEIR own mail relay is in the rbls sometimes too, when my ip is not (sometimes) |
| 14:46.48 | wols | you mean cablecom's? |
| 14:46.48 | tarzeau | wols: i don't trust their mail system more than mine |
| 14:46.51 | tarzeau | wols: yes |
| 14:47.01 | tarzeau | wols: it happens... from time to time |
| 14:47.31 | tralala | kiiz, that's why you should ;) |
| 14:47.34 | fifficus | all i get is version: 1.0.0 |
| 14:47.34 | fifficus | srcversion: 0F0EE4D43AA6AF22F6AAC31 |
| 14:47.47 | RickyWh | lots of getty running processes |
| 14:48.00 | tarzeau | wols: was it you who helped me with vectorizing and fontforge few months ago? |
| 14:48.51 | spq | tarzeau, rent a cheap domain anywhere and use the mail server you get, if you choose a small provider, the chances are minimal that they get listed |
| 14:49.08 | spq | or you use an relay like gmail |
| 14:49.20 | tarzeau | spq: oh that's not the problem. the problem are webpage like spamhaus.org exist and they think they are good |
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| 14:49.33 | tarzeau | spq: i don't trust gmail or anyone. i run my own mail |
| 14:50.09 | spq | do you have a domain with mx entry pointing at you? |
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| 14:50.16 | tarzeau | spq: yes |
| 14:50.18 | hoxu | I wish I could too, but it's kind of difficult with incoming tcp/25 blocked |
| 14:50.45 | hoxu | if you don't trust anyone, I think it'd be a good idea to encrypt all your mail since it passes through the mail servers unencrypted anyway... and then you might just as well use gmail imap, right? |
| 14:50.52 | tarzeau | hoxu: your isp sucks |
| 14:51.08 | tarzeau | hoxu: encrypt with what? hardly everyone has pgp |
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| 14:51.38 | asg | tarzeau: there's always s/mime |
| 14:51.41 | dutchfish | why is gksu firing so many wakeups when i use governer ondemand? i cant find any bugrapport about it |
| 14:51.48 | tarzeau | asg: and then it's stored encrypted? |
| 14:51.49 | man_in_shack | hoxu, you there? |
| 14:52.04 | asg | tarzeau: yes |
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| 14:52.27 | tarzeau | asg: ah |
| 14:52.29 | asg | tarzeau: anyone can get a free user s/mime cert from thawte.com |
| 14:52.44 | asg | tarzeau: most mailers support it easily, including mutt |
| 14:52.50 | RickyWh | is there a master port list somewhere that we can consult to find all ports for any given service/software? |
| 14:53.00 | tralala | RickyWh, /etc/services |
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| 14:53.04 | asg | RickyWh: google for ports list |
| 14:53.04 | spq | RickyWh, getent services |
| 14:53.50 | man_in_shack | RickyWh, depends whether you want standard ports for anything or just a list of what's running |
| 14:54.14 | RickyWh | ahh |
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| 14:55.02 | RickyWh | so on my internal network, if i want to run a nameserver for my domain, do i need to create a rule in my router for port 53, or port 42(as mentioned in /etc/services for 'nameserver') |
| 14:55.28 | tarzeau | RickyWh: if it's really only for your domain, and none on the internet, then no |
| 14:55.33 | RickyWh | i want to host my domain on my home pc behind my router |
| 14:55.39 | tarzeau | RickyWh: 42? |
| 14:55.46 | spq | RickyWh, you have a dynamic ip |
| 14:55.55 | RickyWh | it says 42 in /ec/services for the service called nameserver |
| 14:55.59 | spq | RickyWh, so you cant host a dns server |
| 14:56.02 | tralala | I thought 42 was the answer of the question of life. |
| 14:56.04 | RickyWh | i'm using a static internal ip |
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| 14:56.35 | tralala | spq, unless you use a dynamic dns service |
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| 14:56.51 | man_in_shack | RichiH, normally, just running the service is enough. port is already open |
| 14:56.53 | tarzeau | RickyWh: i don't know anyone using software doing ftp://ftp.rfc-editor.org/in-notes/ien/ien116.txt |
| 14:57.18 | asg | RickyWh: disregard port 42, that's obsolete. |
| 14:57.28 | RickyWh | k |
| 14:57.47 | spq | tralala, do you mean to let the dyndns domain point on his ip and use the dyndns domain as nameserver for the domain - dooes that work?? |
| 14:57.47 | tralala | RickyWh, you want a dns server for your LAN, right? |
| 14:58.02 | RickyWh | and for my main domain name on the internet |
| 14:58.07 | wols | tralala: no I wasn't |
| 14:58.23 | spq | RickyWh, where do you want to buy/rent your domain? |
| 14:58.34 | tralala | wols, one letter tab completion is really lame |
| 14:58.35 | fyrestrtr | RickyWh: doesn't your domain provider have some dns management? |
| 14:58.39 | gamag | s there any command in Debian that will convert Base64 string to Binary and vice-versa? |
| 14:58.45 | gamag | s/s/is |
| 14:58.50 | wols | tralala: sue me, I'm lazy :P |
| 14:58.56 | tralala | :) |
| 14:58.57 | fyrestrtr | gamag: try iconv |
| 14:59.02 | RickyWh | namecheap, i already setup ns1.mydomain.tld pointing to my home IP and port forwarded port 53 to my debian box internal ip |
| 14:59.23 | wols | RickyWh: do you have a static IP? |
| 14:59.32 | fyrestrtr | RickyWh: you shouldn't run DNS on a dynamic IP. |
| 15:00.03 | RickyWh | it's dynamic, but it won't change unless i turn my PC off for a VERY long time or unless i change MAC address (the latter won't happen) |
| 15:00.03 | gamag | fyrestrtr: iconv -t base64 |
| 15:00.04 | gamag | iconv: conversion to `base64' is not supported |
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| 15:00.44 | RickyWh | it renews every 4 hours, but i've had my ip for over 2 years and my friend has had his for over a year on same ISP |
| 15:00.46 | tralala | RickyWh, if you want to use your LAN's dns records over the internet you'd need to have real IP's for all the machines. |
| 15:01.01 | tarzeau | anyone plays some bub-n-bros.sf.net ? |
| 15:01.03 | chemist | can someone tell me how big apache webserver is once installed? |
| 15:01.09 | fyrestrtr | RickyWh: is there a reason you want to run your own dns server for your internet domain? |
| 15:01.11 | tarzeau | chemist: apt-cache show apache |
| 15:01.12 | asg | chemist: apt-cache show apache |
| 15:01.17 | spq | RickyWh, so you already use your domain provider for your ns1 subdomain, if you now change the authorative name server to this ns1 domain you have a loop... |
| 15:01.18 | stew | gamag: apt-cache show uudeview |
| 15:01.27 | chemist | thanx |
| 15:01.34 | RickyWh | fyrestrtr, yes there is a reason. the reason is because i want to learn more about why not to do it and how it works in general |
| 15:02.06 | fyrestrtr | RickyWh: then you don't need a 'real' domain. |
| 15:02.10 | RickyWh | spq, oh ya hehe |
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| 15:02.12 | asg | RickyWh: if you are going to mess with bind in any real capacity, buy the O'Reilly book and/or install the bind9-docs package |
| 15:02.17 | fyrestrtr | RickyWh: you can create a domain internally and manage the dns for it. |
| 15:02.45 | RickyWh | asg, i have the book and it's the next one i'm going to read right after the current one |
| 15:02.58 | asg | fair enough |
| 15:03.06 | fyrestrtr | RickyWh: of course, if you really don't care about the domain you registered at namecheap -- then go right ahead. I'm just saying you don't need to get so complicated if you just want to learn. |
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| 15:03.34 | RickyWh | so i can makeup any domain i want even one that is already existing on the internet? |
| 15:03.40 | fyrestrtr | RickyWh: sure. |
| 15:03.41 | RickyWh | i can use google.com on my LAN? |
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| 15:04.06 | fyrestrtr | RickyWh: sure, and then any client -- when they type google.com -- they will go to the computer (on your LAN) that you have specified. |
| 15:04.09 | RickyWh | fyrestrtr, yes i want to get complicated just to learn what happens |
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| 15:04.40 | RickyWh | ok cool, i won't use google.com though since i'm probably going to break something then for sure it's the end of me |
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| 15:04.58 | fyrestrtr | RickyWh: however normally you just pass the request for the domain up your resolve chain till you get an answer. |
| 15:05.04 | hwdyki | how do i list all installed packages with a certain priority? |
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| 15:05.34 | fyrestrtr | RickyWh: I suggest you read a bind book. |
| 15:06.15 | stew | hwdyki: for priority standard: aptitude search '~i~pstandard' |
| 15:06.30 | hwdyki | can't use dpkg? |
| 15:06.58 | spq | RickyWh, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Domain_Name_System |
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| 15:07.18 | stew | hwdyki: not that I know of. you could use grep-dctrl probably |
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| 15:07.49 | RickyWh | ok, i'm definately reading the current chapter on BIND in the book i'm reading now. The next book though is a full 600 pages on BIND alone so i hope something sinks in |
| 15:08.24 | spq | RickyWh, thats useless - you dont have to understand bind you have to understand dns |
| 15:08.30 | RickyWh | next time ya see me i'll have DNS taken over on the internet and when the entire internet types yahoo.com, ebay.com, google.com msn.com they will go to a page with one <h1> element that says OWNED |
| 15:08.41 | RickyWh | naw jk |
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| 15:08.48 | asg | spq: the liu book he has will explain DNS |
| 15:09.14 | spq | i dont know what book he has |
| 15:09.28 | asg | spq: the O'Reily DNS/BIND book |
| 15:09.45 | spq | ok ^^ if that makes sense - i dont know |
| 15:09.55 | RickyWh | yes, DNS and BIND, 5th Edition |
| 15:09.56 | fyrestrtr | RickyWh: you *really* need to read up on DNS basics |
| 15:10.08 | asg | spq: it's probably the most seminal work on the subject besides ISC's docs |
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| 15:11.02 | tralala | RickyWh, highly unlikely. You don't have an idea how dns delegation works. |
| 15:11.04 | julioh | buenas |
| 15:11.07 | julioh | saludos |
| 15:11.16 | julioh | cuantos son los paqutes total de debian |
| 15:11.18 | spq | okay but it would be enought if he understands basic things of dns |
| 15:11.30 | spq | #debian.es |
| 15:11.34 | Ronin | !es |
| 15:11.34 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 15:11.37 | RickyWh | tralala it was a joke, i know the hierrarchy kinda |
| 15:11.42 | spq | -es okay |
| 15:11.58 | julioh | spq WTF |
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| 15:12.19 | julioh | spq, if i want to speach spanish |
| 15:12.20 | RickyWh | starts at the root servers, 13 of them and go's through tons of nameservers downward, the root servers only get queried when the nameservers at the other end dont' have it already in their caches |
| 15:12.30 | spq | RickyWh, a bad loke in the context of your earlier questions ^^ |
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| 15:12.37 | RickyWh | hehe k |
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| 15:12.53 | julioh | spq, ¿por que no te callas? |
| 15:13.01 | spq | julioh, o_O |
| 15:13.07 | tralala | RickyWh, and idea how it's decided which dns will serve you? |
| 15:13.09 | stew | julioh: english only in here. please go to #debian-es if you want to speak spanish |
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| 15:13.49 | xingu | mmm, beer o'clock |
| 15:13.54 | julioh | stew, I am free to speach wherever i want.. |
| 15:14.04 | RickyWh | yes, first the hosts file on the local machine, then if your configured DHCP, it'll use whatever your ISP has set, usually theirs. or if your static, whatever you specified in the dns server settings |
| 15:14.18 | julioh | stew, dont say me nothing |
| 15:14.20 | stew | julioh: you are free to speak in here in english only, and only about debian end-user support |
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| 15:14.22 | asg | julioh: no, you are not. Please keep it English only here |
| 15:14.24 | RickyWh | i think |
| 15:14.35 | julioh | asg, thx |
| 15:14.36 | julioh | jejejej |
| 15:14.52 | tralala | RickyWh, so you'r ISP's server knows all the names on the net? |
| 15:15.19 | asg | RickyWh: #dns also is a useful resource for general info |
| 15:15.19 | RickyWh | only the ones that people have already typed in requests for within whatever time the TTL is set at? |
| 15:15.54 | tralala | that's called caching, but what about the ones not cached? |
| 15:16.17 | RickyWh | then the nameserver contacts the root servers |
| 15:16.30 | RickyWh | and it starts with TDL.backwards.lookup |
| 15:16.32 | RickyWh | or something |
| 15:16.53 | tralala | no |
| 15:17.00 | RickyWh | hehe how then? |
| 15:17.16 | tralala | that's what you'll find out in your book (hopefully) |
| 15:17.27 | RickyWh | ahh ok cool |
| 15:18.26 | capiira | yeeehaaaaaaaaaaaaaa, got my wlan card to work :D |
| 15:18.32 | RickyWh | i got one question before i get back to reading again. i understand that if i go into my registrar(namecheap) and register a nameserver there as ns1.mydomain.tld and point it to my ip address. Does this mean this is where the nameserver is as oppose to where my website is? |
| 15:18.32 | capiira | what a mess |
| 15:19.11 | xingu | tarzeau: ping |
| 15:19.33 | stew | RickyWh: correct |
| 15:19.59 | RickyWh | k cool, for the longest time everytime i thought about that i was confused |
| 15:20.05 | spq | RickyWh, you need one(correct would be two) nameserver(s) for your domain, but they dont have to be under the same ip as your services you add records under your domain |
| 15:21.02 | RickyWh | very cool, i can't wait now. muahaha |
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| 15:21.46 | tarzeau | xingu: pong |
| 15:21.57 | xingu | it's a damn fine idea to park your first two ns's in discrete /21's |
| 15:22.58 | RickyWh | for testing, i've set ns1.mydomain.tld and ns2.mydomaind.tld to the same IP, my home IP |
| 15:23.10 | spq | ah a thing for you - most routers dont redirect tcp connections from a lan address to your internet ip to the local address which would receive the tcp connection |
| 15:23.19 | spq | RickyWh, you dont need a dns server at home |
| 15:23.28 | xingu | tarzeau: I got bored enough to play nmu on nvidia-glx's sorry arse, thought it might interest you from two dimensions; first, the source packaging is fine, damn fine, quick bit of search/replace choppery sorted it; second, 169.04 is worth a look, on both turbo- and non-turbocache series 7, at least. |
| 15:23.37 | RickyWh | i want to have one because i don't care about my domain and i want to learn more |
| 15:23.51 | RickyWh | then the second time i do it, i'll put dns server elsewhere |
| 15:24.03 | RickyWh | maybe on your machine |
| 15:24.24 | RickyWh | so email me the login info, yo |
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| 15:24.49 | spq | RickyWh, first thing is if your domain hoster allowschanging the dns server second thing - you should keep one ns as is |
| 15:24.52 | tralala | RickyWh, you'd be better off if you don't attempt jokes |
| 15:25.04 | xingu | tarzeau: there's one known-known in it (169.04), it leaks process memory when textures are swapped out of vram (they're booked to the process, and the memory never comes back); but I'm getting _really_ good results, performance-wise; everything is just a little bit perkier, fwiw. |
| 15:25.08 | RickyWh | lol |
| 15:26.14 | RickyWh | spq, will do, thanks everybody |
| 15:26.21 | RickyWh | bbl, work time |
| 15:26.45 | stew | leave one ns as is? |
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| 15:26.57 | tarzeau | xingu: dunno, i use the nvidia installer for the driver |
| 15:27.09 | stew | RickyWh: i dont' think you should leave one ns as is, unless somehow it is going to slave from your primary ns |
| 15:27.11 | tarzeau | xingu: OpenGL version string: 2.1.1 NVIDIA 100.14.19 |
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| 15:27.17 | xingu | tarzeau: I know, hence why I'm commenting; repacking rdonald's stuff is dead easy |
| 15:27.20 | bonkers-matt | where do i find a package downloaded with apt-get install -d ? |
| 15:27.30 | stew | bonkers-matt: /var/cache/apt/archives |
| 15:27.45 | RickyWh | i'll set them both to same ip, it's just for a few days testing anyway |
| 15:28.01 | xingu | tarzeau: ii nvidia-glx 169.04-1 NVIDIA binary Xorg driver :) |
| 15:28.03 | stew | RickyWh: that's fine for what you are doing as long as your registrar allows it |
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| 15:28.36 | RickyWh | yes, i've already checked the control panel area at namecheap and they allow me to register ns*.mydomain.tld to point to any ip |
| 15:28.43 | bonkers-matt | stew, thanks |
| 15:28.55 | tarzeau | xingu: do you play www.sauerbraten.org ? |
| 15:28.58 | RickyWh | thx stew |
| 15:29.15 | xingu | tarzeau: not really my thing, but I did take a look at that just earlier, yes |
| 15:29.30 | xingu | tarzeau: wasn't too good before @1680x1050 with candy turned on; now, it is. :) |
| 15:29.39 | xingu | tarzeau: 7600m |
| 15:30.01 | tarzeau | xingu: brutalchess? bloboats? |
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| 15:32.09 | benje | Eulex, do you tell me somethiong else ? i was going |
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| 15:32.32 | xingu | tarzeau: don't really play much in the way of games, just bzflag tuned for solo and quite arcade-y mindless killing settings |
| 15:32.44 | xingu | tarzeau: and even then I get caned by the bots :) |
| 15:32.51 | BaD-Sid | quit back later with a fresh debian/lenny install |
| 15:33.35 | tarzeau | xingu: i see, i absolutely don't play bzflag... |
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| 15:34.29 | xingu | tarzeau: anyway, it might be worth a look at 169.04 on your sacrificial bitch box, if you've got one |
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| 15:34.59 | tarzeau | xingu: i would if i'd get nvidia binary drivers for powerpc linux (but nvidia said no) |
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| 15:35.10 | xingu | heh |
| 15:35.36 | xingu | "universal" as in "if it's not a sparc or intel, you're screwed" |
| 15:35.51 | tarzeau | xingu: sucks |
| 15:36.31 | tarzeau | xingu: do you like games as http://syn9.thingie.net/?table=griffonlegend ? |
| 15:36.44 | xingu | tarzeau: I'm getting a feel for why, it's because half of what they're selling is a GL stack; it's like asking metro-x to go opensource |
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| 15:38.05 | xingu | tarzeau: I really don't play much at all in the way of games, I like things that need a single d-pad, a couple of fire buttons, that remember where you were up to, and that can picked up and put down easy |
| 15:38.25 | tarzeau | xingu: ok ok |
| 15:38.43 | fifficus | wols: your hint did word, thanks a lot, but now i need to change /etc/network/interfaces. what do i have to write there? |
| 15:38.47 | tarzeau | xingu: maybe snowballs will be something for you http://www.mantris.net/spex/nel/sb2_linux_ogl_nv.jpg |
| 15:39.18 | stew | fifficus: man wireless ; man interfaces ; there are examples in /usr/share/doc/ifupdown/examples/network-interfaces.gz |
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| 15:39.24 | fyrestrtr | fifficus: you could read the interfaces manual (man interfaces) |
| 15:39.32 | fifficus | okay, thx |
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| 15:41.43 | rcbarnes | On the bugs.debian.org page, is there any way to search for all packages matching the options? Whenever I leave the search string empty, I get no results. |
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| 15:43.19 | xingu | tarzeau: sauerbraten's looking real purty now; those grass effects are lovely |
| 15:43.30 | tralala | rcbarnes, search using apt-cache or aptitude. Aptitude in particular has very powerful search capabilities. |
| 15:43.43 | tarzeau | xingu: if you want to play a round... checked the maps on www.quadropolis.us yet? |
| 15:43.49 | rcbarnes | tralala: oh |
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| 15:46.58 | spq | is it more secure to run monolithic kernels? |
| 15:47.26 | asg | spq: slightly |
| 15:47.33 | tralala | as in without modules? |
| 15:47.36 | spq | yes |
| 15:47.46 | spq | without and with modulesupport disabled |
| 15:48.08 | tralala | there have been code injection methods in the past, but I haven't followed |
| 15:48.35 | rcbarnes | If I install nvidia binary drivers with module-assist, how do I check for bug reports? |
| 15:49.13 | tralala | check for bugreport against the source package |
| 15:49.36 | fifficus | stew: is "wireless-mode Ad-Hoc" correct for my wlan router? |
| 15:50.03 | asg | fifficus: you want Managed |
| 15:50.33 | fifficus | asg: what? |
| 15:50.41 | asg | fifficus: you want wireless-mode Managed |
| 15:50.50 | fifficus | asg: ah, thx |
| 15:51.03 | asg | fifficus: Ad-Hoc is for creating simple point-to-point connections between two cards without the need for an AP |
| 15:51.07 | spq | fifficus, ad hoc is like a patch cable between two computers, managed is like using a switch ^^ |
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| 15:53.08 | rcbarnes | tralala: thanks |
| 15:53.14 | fifficus | okay, all i got now is "wireless-mode Managed; wireless-essid <the wlan's SSID>; wireless-key <the WPA2 key>; address dhcp; netmask 255.255.255.0; gateway 192.168.1.2 (router's IP)". did i miss anything? |
| 15:53.17 | tralala | rcbarnes, you're welcome |
| 15:53.45 | tralala | fifficus, wireless-key is wep, not wpa |
| 15:54.05 | iamsimon | This is weird. I used module assistant to build the nvidia module, it installed, I modprobed it, but now X complains that it can't load it; even though it is (to the best of my knowledge) already loaded. |
| 15:54.05 | tralala | for wpa you want the wpasupplicant pacakge |
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| 15:54.18 | rcbarnes | Oh, does this "#428697 - xserver-xorg-core couldn't open module nvidia (Fixed: nvidia-graphics-drivers/100.14.19-1)" mean the bug is fixed? |
| 15:54.23 | spq | fifficus, you dont need netmask, gatewas etc if you use dhcp |
| 15:54.28 | stew | fifficus: wait, is this machine going to connect to some other access point or act as an access point for other wireless nodes? |
| 15:54.31 | rcbarnes | (as reported by aptitude in install) |
| 15:54.31 | fifficus | tralala: so what do i have to do? |
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| 15:55.18 | tralala | fifficus, install wpasupplicant, read the docs, copy one of the example configs and modify it according to your needs |
| 15:55.29 | fifficus | stew: dunno if i got u right but my laptop directly connects to my wireless router which has dhcp running |
| 15:55.33 | iamsimon | oh wait, I think you're talking about that already |
| 15:55.42 | rcbarnes | fifficus: be warned, it can take a long time to set up wpa supplicant |
| 15:55.56 | fifficus | rcbarnes: so better switch to wep? |
| 15:56.08 | tralala | it took me 10 minutes (8 of them reading the docs) |
| 15:56.11 | stew | fifficus: not better, just easier |
| 15:56.16 | rcbarnes | fifficus: if you aren't worried about security |
| 15:56.54 | rcbarnes | tralala: yeah, but my Uni didn't know any of the specs on it's wireless. I had to dig around for a long time before i could translate MacOS/Windows instructions to real info |
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| 15:57.36 | rcbarnes | s/it's/its/ |
| 15:57.43 | fifficus | so it will work with those preferences if it just change it to wep? |
| 15:58.12 | tralala | rcbarnes, that's like saying that installing debian is difficult because you had to install it once on a machine without cd/dvd, floppy and network |
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| 15:59.05 | tralala | fifficus, read the examples in /usr/share/doc/ifupdown/examples/ |
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| 15:59.39 | fifficus | tralala: k |
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| 16:01.29 | fifficus | is there any possibilty to find out if the new /etc/network/interfaces will work except rebooting? |
| 16:01.52 | asg | fifficus: ifdown <inteface> ; ifup <interface> |
| 16:02.07 | NiLon | don't do that via ssh :P |
| 16:02.14 | fifficus | asg: interface means eth0? |
| 16:02.17 | julioh | mm |
| 16:02.27 | asg | fifficus: whichever one you are testing |
| 16:02.32 | fifficus | thanks |
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| 16:04.27 | spq | fifficus, /etc/init.d/networking restart |
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| 16:04.45 | spq | but this can bring down all your network interfaces |
| 16:05.03 | spq | but i even use it sometimes over ssh |
| 16:05.08 | RickyWh01 | whats the command to see the time on my debian box? just browsing through the logs and would like to see how long ago it really was |
| 16:05.13 | Kartoffelsalat | i search a tool/app (with gui would be cool) for creating .mo and .po files. non-kde/xfce/gnome would be great |
| 16:05.14 | spq | date |
| 16:05.16 | asg | RickyWh01: date |
| 16:05.20 | fifficus | never mind, my lan doesn't work anymore since i installed the firmware for my wlan card :D |
| 16:05.21 | RickyWh01 | cool |
| 16:05.23 | RickyWh01 | thx |
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| 16:05.40 | jelly-home | spq: as long as you have a serial console on the side to fix the network |
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| 16:06.13 | spq | jelly-home, no - a cronjob which starts a script which recovers the config and reboots |
| 16:06.25 | kanzure | I did apt-get upgrade and apt-get update, now all of my fonts (in KDE) are maybe five points smaller. What do I do to get the fonts back to normal? |
| 16:06.45 | RickyWh01 | anyone ever see this in syslog? Nov 25 00:29:45 server1 kernel: ACPI: DSDT (v001 PTLTD Custom 0x06040000 MSFT 0x0100000d) @ 0x00000 |
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| 16:07.45 | fifficus | what does that mean? "sit0: unknown hardware address type 776" |
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| 16:10.21 | sdubois92 | I am trying to install madwifi-source, -tools, and -assistant but aptitude could not find them. |
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| 16:13.13 | fifficus | still doesn't work.... something must be wrong/missing |
| 16:13.20 | fifficus | but all IPs etc are correct |
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| 16:14.05 | larsl | Are there any unofficial libavcodec packages that include MPEG2 encoding? Or maybe something in non-US? |
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| 16:14.14 | Rug | Howdy all |
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| 16:14.18 | kanzure | fifficus: Might want to try in #madwifi |
| 16:14.43 | Rug | any suggestions to speed up NFS reads/writes? |
| 16:14.43 | fifficus | kanzure: i'll try ^^ |
| 16:14.44 | cahoot | NB not #madwife |
| 16:14.46 | kanzure | or the many Ubuntu guides |
| 16:14.55 | kanzure | cahoot: ? |
| 16:15.00 | kanzure | haha |
| 16:15.02 | fifficus | kanzure: ubuntu? i have debian ^^ |
| 16:15.03 | spq | Rug, async |
| 16:15.03 | kanzure | madwife, gotcha |
| 16:15.12 | kanzure | fifficus: Many of the guides are still useful ;) |
| 16:15.26 | fifficus | kanzure: okay |
| 16:15.27 | Rug | spq: yeah I have that already... |
| 16:16.11 | Rug | what about noatime ? |
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| 16:16.47 | cahoot | relatime |
| 16:16.48 | xingu | Rug: use tcp; nfs4; and as uid!=0 |
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| 16:17.46 | xingu | Rug: make sure all your (cksum, segmentation) offload is turned on (ethtool); and use gige+jumbo frames. |
| 16:18.43 | fifficus | kanzure: no one answers... but i got KWiFi running. it says i'm connected but displays "own IP: unavailable" |
| 16:18.47 | Rug | xingu: I am using v4, I can't risk UDP over tcp, my files are important to me! =) what would the User ID change do? |
| 16:19.09 | xingu | Rug: eh? use tcp; what risk |
| 16:19.36 | xingu | Rug: client attrib cache is noop if client uid==0 (think about it) |
| 16:20.00 | xingu | Rug: and, nfs attrib lookup is blocking (again, think about it) |
| 16:20.15 | sdubois92 | I am trying to install madwifi-source, -tools, and -assistant but aptitude could not find them. |
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| 16:20.30 | sdubois92 | i put non-free on mky main repo too |
| 16:20.49 | cahoot | sdubois92: maybe you need non-fre and/or contrib in you sources.list |
| 16:21.00 | cahoot | doh |
| 16:21.28 | Rug | thanks for your help |
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| 16:22.33 | cahoot | sdubois92: http://madwifi.org/wiki/UserDocs/Distro/Debian |
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| 16:27.33 | fifficus | "DHCPDISCOVER on eth0 to 255.255.255.0 port 67" is that even correct? |
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| 16:28.11 | cahoot | eth0 *is* your wlan? |
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| 16:28.22 | fifficus | eth0 is my wlan, yeah |
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| 16:29.41 | fifficus | i mean, i think so, 1 hour ago eth0 was my ethernet lan which doesn't work anymore since i installed my wlan card's firmware |
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| 16:30.06 | cahoot | fifficus: check iwconfig |
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| 16:31.39 | fifficus | lo no wireless extensions eth0 unassocitated ESSID:"<my wlan's ssid>" mode managed channel=0 access point: not-associated [.....] eth1 no wireles extensions [...] |
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| 16:34.15 | cahoot | fifficus: using wpa? |
| 16:34.21 | fifficus | no, wep |
| 16:34.57 | cahoot | fifficus: ok out of my league |
| 16:35.14 | RickyWh01 | su root |
| 16:35.17 | fifficus | hmm... |
| 16:35.17 | RickyWh01 | nipplesWet44 |
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| 16:35.24 | RickyWh01 | woops |
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| 16:35.43 | cahoot | don't worry |
| 16:35.48 | susanne-- | is there a way to run an fsck (check-only, no fix is fine) on a mounted partition, without unmounting it? |
| 16:35.50 | RickyWh01 | heh jk :P |
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| 16:36.32 | cahoot | susanne--: remount it ro? |
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| 16:37.12 | RickyWh01 | it's bg to see the bg apps list? |
| 16:37.22 | RickyWh01 | or is that just to go to the app at the last position |
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| 16:37.36 | susanne-- | cahoot: need it to remain rw, if possible. i *can* shut everything down but it's a big pain in the butt. |
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| 16:38.26 | tralala | I'm trying rhostsbased ssh authentication but for some strange reason it's not working. I've got IgnoreRhosts no and HostbasedAuthentication yes in my sshd.config. I've got my ~/.rhosts file too but it ain't working |
| 16:38.36 | sbk | What do the numbers at the end of the socket[nnnn] in an ls -l /proc/<pid>/fd mean? It doesn't appear to be a port number. eg: lrwx------ 1 dev bin 64 Nov 25 08:02 56 -> socket:[84987075] |
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| 16:40.24 | tralala | I'm being denied authentication and I've got nothing in auth.log on the server |
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| 16:42.06 | xingu | tralala: make sure it's mode 0644 and owned by the uid you're logging in as |
| 16:42.39 | xingu | tralala: 0600 if you can get away with it (ie, if $HOME is local rather than nfs) |
| 16:42.45 | bullgard4 | gregarei: My /etc/fstab shows two ext3 partitions. This corresponds to two kjournald processes. But why shows dmesg 5 lines: "kjournal starting. Commit interval..."? |
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| 16:43.08 | RPG_ | I want to run Debian, and I have an AMD64 capable processor. My regular choice would be to grab the x86 package, but since i'm here, does anyone recommend the amd64 package over the x86 one? |
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| 16:43.45 | tralala | xingu, its mode is 0600, owned by me .rhosts is in my home dir |
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| 16:45.25 | nolimitsoya | RPG_, i do, on the condition that you are aware of the problems youll be facing using flash and similar proprietary, x86-only software, and have decided you can do without/are willing to jump through the extra hoops |
| 16:45.28 | tralala | xingu, the docs say something about known_hosts in relation to rhosts but I don't quite get it |
| 16:46.00 | RPG_ | nolimitsoya, is the performance increase very significant? |
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| 16:46.14 | nolimitsoya | RPG_, no |
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| 16:48.36 | rcbarnes | ...so I see that the nvidia binary driver is still broken in lenny. Is it working in sid? Could I use it from sid and not pull anything else (significant) into sid along with it? |
| 16:49.18 | cusco | rcbarnes: Im using lenny and the nvidia driver |
| 16:49.24 | rcbarnes | cusco: really? |
| 16:49.25 | cusco | I got it from nvidia's website tho |
| 16:49.28 | cusco | yes |
| 16:49.35 | rcbarnes | cusco: oh, not for module-assist |
| 16:49.42 | rcbarnes | s/for/from/ |
| 16:49.44 | cusco | no |
| 16:49.51 | cusco | just ./nvidia.blabla.sh |
| 16:49.54 | cusco | :P |
| 16:50.06 | rcbarnes | cusco: what guide did you use, and will it make a mess on my system? |
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| 16:50.15 | cusco | works fine, if you use the binary, should dtry and download it from their web-site |
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| 16:50.30 | cusco | I used no guide just download the file and ./run it |
| 16:50.39 | cusco | it will ask some questions just answer them |
| 16:50.53 | cusco | and it compiles a odule... you must have linux headers tho |
| 16:50.58 | mbroeker | cusco, thats not the proper debian way, but it works. |
| 16:51.00 | rcbarnes | cusco: creepy. I'm always a bit leery about running blobs... |
| 16:51.10 | cusco | as root: apt-get install linux-headers-$(uname -r) |
| 16:51.23 | rcbarnes | cusco: oh, I have the headers |
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| 16:51.30 | cusco | yea... debian way gave me troubles first time.... so ever since I went for the binary |
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| 16:52.04 | cusco | rcbarnes: if you want, you can unpack the file and take the binary nvidia.ko or .so or something and copy it to the right place or something... |
| 16:52.17 | cusco | thats "sort of" the procedure of module assistant |
| 16:52.18 | mooper | hi all, my lappy keeps freezing. any Ideas on diag. Memtest has run twice with no prob |
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| 16:52.28 | mbroeker | cusco, build a custom kernel and reboot that image and try it again? |
| 16:52.46 | cusco | nooooo |
| 16:52.49 | cusco | no need to build kernel |
| 16:52.55 | cusco | just the nvidia module for the kernel! |
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| 16:53.39 | cusco | just ./run the module and fololow the screen mbroeker - just make sure X is not running |
| 16:53.41 | vjt | cusco, install the kernel headers for your running kernel and use the nvidia installer |
| 16:53.42 | cusco | you will be fine |
| 16:53.43 | mbroeker | cusco, if the NVIDIA*.run.sh fails then your kernel config or your installed files are broken |
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| 16:54.07 | mbroeker | cusco, i know that, because i have done it a few minutes ago. |
| 16:54.11 | cusco | vjt: why are you telling me that? that is what I said to mbroeker in first place -_- |
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| 16:54.45 | cusco | mbroeker: if it fails no the system will not brake, and if it brakes just go back to vesa and read the log it produces... |
| 16:54.52 | vjt | cusco, sorry i should read more than 3 lines of history :P |
| 16:55.01 | cusco | :p |
| 16:55.07 | mbroeker | cusco, shut up. i have it already finished :) |
| 16:55.18 | cusco | see?! easy innit? |
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| 16:58.29 | dryrot | does debian testing have vlc ? |
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| 16:59.50 | AVRS | dryrot: seems like no |
| 17:00.00 | AVRS | There is videolan-doc, and nothing depends/needs it. |
| 17:00.16 | AVRS | No other videolan or vlc. |
| 17:00.19 | dryrot | why is that? |
| 17:00.29 | AVRS | There was some bug found in it. |
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| 17:00.32 | petemc | !why is vls not in testing |
| 17:00.32 | dpkg | vls is not in testing for the reasons listed in http://bjorn.haxx.se/debian/testing.pl?package=vls |
| 17:00.35 | petemc | gah |
| 17:00.40 | Nyle | !why is blah not in testing |
| 17:00.40 | dpkg | blah is not in testing for the reasons listed in http://bjorn.haxx.se/debian/testing.pl?package=blah |
| 17:00.52 | DJ-Marcuzz | how does one uninstall a program, wwhen you installed it with: python setup.py install |
| 17:00.53 | Nyle | er. |
| 17:00.54 | Nyle | nm |
| 17:00.58 | dryrot | that looks like a really silly reason to remove vlc from testing |
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| 17:01.12 | Nyle | then don't use testing |
| 17:01.15 | Nyle | go with stable |
| 17:01.24 | dryrot | stable is not cool enough for me! |
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| 17:02.44 | rcbarnes | cusco: .....Extraction failed. |
| 17:02.52 | rcbarnes | and I've re-downloaded several times |
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| 17:03.26 | AVRS | petemc: I meant that vlc has been removed from testing |
| 17:03.40 | petemc | AVRS: right |
| 17:04.09 | cusco | rcbarnes: worked fine here |
| 17:04.28 | cusco | universe:~# ./NVIDIA-Linux-x86-100.14.11-pkg1.run -x // Creating directory NVIDIA-Linux-x86-100.14.11-pkg1 // Verifying archive integrity... OK |
| 17:04.40 | mbroeker | i want to test the former democracy player "miro". it is in sid and i use debian lenny. |
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| 17:05.12 | Nyle | oh my god |
| 17:05.14 | cusco | mbroeker: looks like nvidia was only a decoy, what you really want is move on to sid |
| 17:05.19 | Nyle | I drank so much 2 days ago |
| 17:05.19 | vipersniper | i created an init script to start iptables and placed it in the /etc/init.d/ and cd /etc/rcS.d and created a ln -s /etc/init.d firewall.sh "but it will not start on boot up. why? |
| 17:05.21 | Nyle | I'm still sick |
| 17:05.51 | cusco | Nyle: today I bought a pack with: hangover coffee, hangover tea, and hangover swee-pastilles |
| 17:05.59 | cusco | perhaps you should do the same :p |
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| 17:06.27 | Nyle | next time, IF i ever drink again (I never drink to begin with, Islamic you know), I will use chaser |
| 17:06.33 | Nyle | charcaol pills that suck up the toxins |
| 17:06.43 | Nyle | you don't get a hangover the next day |
| 17:06.49 | Nyle | I'm a pothead man |
| 17:06.56 | Nyle | I dislike alcohol |
| 17:06.56 | cusco | vipersniper: perhaps in /etc/rcS.d/ it must start with an S38 or something |
| 17:07.21 | cusco | lol |
| 17:07.30 | vipersniper | cusco, the file is actually name S42firewall.sh |
| 17:07.43 | cusco | chaser... are those one with your first drink, and one after the last drink? |
| 17:07.55 | vipersniper | cusco, or that is the wrong number |
| 17:08.06 | Nyle | cusco: not a drink chaser for a shot |
| 17:08.11 | cusco | vipersniper: the number is just the order it is going to take it seems fine |
| 17:08.12 | sdubois92 | I am having trouble installing madwifi. i added contrib and non-free to my main repo and it still doesnt work |
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| 17:08.21 | Nyle | cusco: chaser is a brand of charcoal pills they sell in stores |
| 17:08.31 | Nyle | you take a pill before you drink and drink as much asyou want |
| 17:08.35 | cusco | vipersniper: iptables -L doesn't list your rules? |
| 17:08.36 | Nyle | you get drunk, but next day no hangover |
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| 17:08.42 | cusco | have you made sure the script ./runs ? |
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| 17:09.01 | Nyle | cusco: you know the same charcoal they pump into your stomach at the hospital when you get sick to suck out the toxins and flush the system |
| 17:09.04 | cusco | Nyle: never heard of it... I will look for those |
| 17:09.12 | Nyle | thats the same thing they sell for drinking in conv. stores |
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| 17:10.11 | Nyle | http://www.chaserpills.net/ |
| 17:10.15 | Nyle | cusco: ^^ |
| 17:10.19 | nolimitsoya | cusco, it does not work, so save the effort ;) |
| 17:10.38 | cusco | nolimitsoya: what doesn't? |
| 17:10.44 | cusco | the pills? |
| 17:10.45 | nolimitsoya | cusco, the pills |
| 17:10.46 | Nyle | Chaser™ absorbs hangover-causing toxins helping you wake up alert, refreshed and ready to start your day. Chaser is clinically tested and proven to prevent 17 hangover symptoms. Its ingredients are Generally Recognized as Safe (GRAS) by the FDA – with no stimulants or painkillers. |
| 17:10.49 | RickyWh01 | is this normal or an actual error on my system, (pasted from syslog), Nov 25 00:29:45 server1 kernel: ACPI: DSDT (v001 PTLTD Custom 0x06040000 MSFT 0x0100000d) @ 0x00000 |
| 17:10.49 | mbroeker | damn, i dont want to break my system with all the sid packages right now. is there a normal way to get a binary package of miro from their website www.getmiro.com ? |
| 17:10.51 | alexbligh | On my debian etch server, "lilo" works from muliuser mode, but if I drop to single user mode and do lilo I et "chroot /dev/root: No such file or directory". Any ideas? |
| 17:11.06 | Nyle | that error is beyond me |
| 17:11.17 | Nyle | alexbligh: why not use grub |
| 17:11.40 | alexbligh | Nyle, um, because it's run lilo since way back when & I don't particularly want to change it. |
| 17:11.48 | Nyle | ok |
| 17:11.48 | sdubois92 | any of those hangover gimmicks dont work. they key chemical that causes a hangover is alcohol, so it can absorb all the toxins it wants, your still wasted and you're gonna have a hangover |
| 17:11.51 | cusco | RickyWh01: that is just some debug menssage from acpi, it might be some hardware function that acpi cannot cope with... or not |
| 17:11.55 | cusco | not a big worry tho |
| 17:11.55 | nolimitsoya | cusco, alcohol induces urination, and the primary cause of hangover is dehydration and high acidity levels in the blood, none of which is affected by eating some charcoal, active or not |
| 17:11.58 | Nyle | I'd be able to support you if i remembered how to use lilo at all |
| 17:11.59 | Nyle | but i don't |
| 17:12.12 | Nyle | i need pottery |
| 17:12.15 | Nyle | wakenbake |
| 17:12.20 | alexbligh | Is grub which etch ships with as default? |
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| 17:12.27 | nolimitsoya | cusco, if you want to mitigate hangovers, drink some water before you go to bed, and do the same fist thing when you wake up |
| 17:12.31 | nolimitsoya | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:12.43 | Nyle | !ot |
| 17:12.43 | dpkg | i heard ot is Please keep the discussions in #debian on-topic (i.e., Debian support), or return to the topic after a short while. #debian-offtopic is the place for longer off-topic discussions between regulars |
| 17:12.44 | cusco | nolimitsoya: ok cheers! |
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| 17:12.53 | Nyle | alexbligh: and sarge |
| 17:12.58 | sdubois92 | I am having trouble installing madwifi. i added contrib and non-free to my main repo and it still doesnt work |
| 17:13.03 | Nyle | and I think woody too |
| 17:13.10 | rcbarnes | cusco: if yours works, could I get it from you? |
| 17:13.15 | Nyle | grub has been the default in debian since... |
| 17:13.18 | ste | Hi. Is there a libXss.so.1.0 32 bit port for amd64? |
| 17:13.18 | Nyle | since when |
| 17:13.20 | alexbligh | And to move from lilo to grub I do what, "dpkg --remove lilo ; apt-get install grub" or similar? |
| 17:13.23 | cusco | rcbarnes: sure, hold on |
| 17:13.28 | rcbarnes | cusco: thanks |
| 17:13.33 | vipersniper | cusco, iptables -L yes |
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| 17:14.16 | cusco | accept dcc rcbarnes |
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| 17:15.29 | cusco | vipersniper: dunno... does the script run? |
| 17:15.29 | vipersniper | yes |
| 17:15.43 | rcbarnes | cusco: thanks... going now |
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| 17:16.01 | vipersniper | /etc/init.d/S42firewall.sh start works |
| 17:16.10 | cusco | vipersniper: ow... |
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| 17:16.58 | cusco | vipersniper: then I used a tool called sysv-rc-conf |
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| 17:17.22 | cusco | you can chose witch services to enable from which RC's... not sure... it might help |
| 17:17.28 | cusco | sorry I can't help you further! |
| 17:17.36 | cusco | np rcbarnes :) |
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| 17:18.49 | sdubois92 | deadcandance: awesome band |
| 17:19.14 | vipersniper | cusco, thanks for the help anyway |
| 17:19.24 | vipersniper | later |
| 17:20.05 | Nyle | what band? |
| 17:20.26 | RickyWh01 | while following a few different tutorials on chrooting BIND on debian, they always seems to want to edit a SYSLOG="" so that it reads SYSLOGD="-a /var/lib/named/dev/log" // which is supposed to be inside of /etc/init.d/sysklogd file, but i cannot find it, even with a search of SYSLOGD |
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| 17:21.04 | rcbarnes | cusco: thanks. I don't know why nvidia's was truncated at 12MB |
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| 17:21.27 | RickyWh01 | can anyone help me on this one? |
| 17:21.28 | rcbarnes | cusco: blast! You're 32-bit |
| 17:21.44 | rcbarnes | sorry to waste your bandwidth |
| 17:22.03 | cusco | rcbarnes: lol yes indeed! the most common |
| 17:22.10 | cusco | haha no probs good luck |
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| 17:23.07 | alexbligh | OK, so I am trying to install grub rather than lilo. Doing a "grub-install /dev/hda" produces lots of errors about writing to the (non-existent) floppy drive. Adding "--no-floppy" does not help. Any ideas? |
| 17:23.37 | wols | alexbligh: check your /boot/grub/device.map |
| 17:23.55 | alexbligh | It has a floppy in it. What do I do, delete or comment out the line? |
| 17:24.01 | wols | delete it |
| 17:24.16 | alexbligh | thanks |
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| 17:29.20 | zythmer | RickyWh01: It's in /etc/default/syslogd. /etc/init.d/sysklogd reads that file. |
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| 17:34.16 | RickyWh01 | ok |
| 17:34.26 | RoC_MasterMind | How do I get telnetd not to show my last login? |
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| 17:35.49 | petemc | RoC_MasterMind: /etc/pam.d/telnetd , perhaps - i dont use telnet |
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| 17:36.59 | Nyle | don't use telnet for starters (nothing to do with your query) |
| 17:37.01 | alexbligh | OK hopefully last dumb grub question: I have a serial console on this machine. I have added serial and terminal lines so grub (should) work with it, but I want to pass "console=tty0 console=ttyS0,9600n8" on the kernel command line. However, update-grub deletes the entries I put in. Where do I put them so they won't be deleted. |
| 17:37.03 | Nyle | ssh > telnet |
| 17:37.03 | alexbligh | ? |
| 17:38.10 | RoC_MasterMind | might be "session optional pam_lastlog.so" in /etc/pam.d/login |
| 17:38.24 | rcbarnes | RoC_MasterMind: Unless you are willing to put your password and all your shell interactions in your email signature, don't ever use telnet |
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| 17:38.38 | RoC_MasterMind | yay |
| 17:38.42 | RoC_MasterMind | it was that. |
| 17:38.47 | RoC_MasterMind | actually it's not for logging in |
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| 17:39.08 | RoC_MasterMind | I use SSH for that. |
| 17:39.17 | rcbarnes | ahh. right then. |
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| 17:39.32 | tman__ | hi there, do you guys know where I can get the official debian apt keys? |
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| 17:39.40 | tman__ | it seems they change on every distro |
| 17:39.42 | wols | tman__: look at the topic |
| 17:39.53 | RoC_MasterMind | it's for a self-service nmap thing I am setting up, where the user can see a portscan of their IP |
| 17:40.00 | tman__ | -distro , release |
| 17:40.11 | wols | of course they change every time, duh! |
| 17:40.16 | RoC_MasterMind | windows doesn't come with ssh, so I chose telnet as the application to access the progrm. |
| 17:40.16 | tman__ | arf wols cheers |
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| 17:40.43 | tman__ | wols: I am trying to do a schroot-utils to create/update schroot for debian/ubuntu at the moment |
| 17:40.46 | nioroz | hello |
| 17:40.52 | wols | alexbligh: there is a kopt line |
| 17:41.05 | wols | tman__: debian is not ubuntu |
| 17:41.07 | tman__ | seems ubuntu as a non-expiring key while debian's expire + is different depending on the release |
| 17:41.07 | nioroz | I am trying to get real audio video into mpeg video using mplayer |
| 17:41.10 | nioroz | mplayer -dumpstream -dumpfile file.mpg -codec mp3?? rtsp://host/blah.rm |
| 17:41.11 | wols | different distros |
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| 17:41.19 | tman__ | wols: cheers I know, ubuntu still a debian based ;) |
| 17:41.28 | wols | !based on debian |
| 17:41.29 | dpkg | Your distribution may be based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it unlikely lives up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. If your distribution has an IRC channel, you can use it instead. Even if your distribution has fewer people in its IRC channel, or doesn't have one, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. |
| 17:41.31 | alexbligh | wols, thanks. I will read the bit that says "do not uncomment" properly next time. |
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| 17:43.00 | tman__ | wols: no offense, I am using both :) and the goal of schroot will be do easily package for both debian and ubuntu |
| 17:43.08 | Nyle | I am based on debian |
| 17:43.20 | Nyle | in a way |
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| 17:45.12 | alexbligh | Thanks all, for what it's worth the strange chroot error that appeared with lilo in single user mode no longer appears with grub, and the serial console handling seems to be a bit better. So I am happy. |
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| 17:46.12 | nioroz | hello anybody has knowledge of mplayer ? |
| 17:46.23 | Nyle | alexbligh: I am not gonna tell you that I told you so, but I will say this |
| 17:46.29 | Nyle | alexbligh: I told you so. |
| 17:46.35 | tman__ | so sarge and release before sarge use 2006 key while etch and onward will use debian-archive-keyring |
| 17:46.38 | tman__ | is that right |
| 17:46.56 | Nyle | woody didn't have |
| 17:47.11 | tman__ | Nyle: cheers |
| 17:47.11 | alexbligh | Nyle, yes thanks. I must learn to understand grub properly. I have been using lilo since it first came out (which must be over 13 yrs ago) |
| 17:47.13 | Nyle | in fact sarge didn't use to either |
| 17:47.40 | Nyle | its with apt version something or ther i can't remember which started introducing keys |
| 17:47.45 | Nyle | and additional security |
| 17:48.17 | Nuxis | any good file/folder encrypter? |
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| 17:48.19 | tman__ | from /msg dpkg 2006 key |
| 17:48.22 | tman__ | from memory, 2006 key is apt 0.6.43.1 |
| 17:48.30 | Nyle | !2006 key |
| 17:48.30 | dpkg | it has been said that 2006 key is apt 0.6.43.1 ( now in unstable and testing) includes the 2006 package key. You can also install the key as follow, explicitly trusting this message with no verification: gpg --keyserver subkeys.pgp.net --recv-keys 2D230C5F ; gpg --export 084750FC01A6D388A643D869010908312D230C5F | sudo apt-key add - |
| 17:48.34 | Nyle | ah there it is |
| 17:48.41 | Nyle | I'm high. thats my excuse :D |
| 17:48.47 | tman__ | Nyle: lol |
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| 17:49.36 | tman__ | ok guys, thanks, I should be able to get going with those info. cheers again |
| 17:49.42 | Nyle | tman__: hi |
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| 17:49.48 | Nyle | tman__: what were you trying to do? |
| 17:49.55 | Nuxis | anyone knows a good file/folder encrypter? |
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| 17:50.35 | tman__ | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:50.56 | calmar | I guess I screwed up my xorg. but that's ok. I'm going to reinstall debian. I guess I need to download a bootable-cd-install disk.. |
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| 17:51.16 | tman__ | as I need to create a /etc/apt/sources.list , I need to import the diferent keys |
| 17:51.16 | Nyle | Nuxis: gpg |
| 17:51.28 | Nuxis | Nyle: isn't that for emails? |
| 17:51.30 | tman__ | but can't just copy from the host /etc/apt/trusted.gpg |
| 17:51.32 | Nyle | Nuxis: man gpg |
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| 17:51.48 | tman__ | Nuxis: for pretty good privacy ;) |
| 17:51.50 | Nyle | Nuxis: gpg -c ~/termpaper.doc |
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| 17:52.02 | Nyle | Nuxis: yeilds ~/termpaper.doc.gpg |
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| 17:53.32 | Nyle | Nuxis: to decrypt, gpg ~/termpaper.doc.gpg (enter passphrase) use the -o switch or whatever else you need, just read the manpage |
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| 17:53.39 | Nyle | there are frontends for it too, in kde and in gnome |
| 17:53.41 | bony | i want to install and use an imap server which one to choose? |
| 17:53.59 | tman__ | cheers guys |
| 17:54.30 | Nyle | tminos: hm |
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| 17:54.41 | Nyle | tman__: i don't understand what you want |
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| 17:54.50 | tman__ | I create a chroot |
| 17:54.54 | Nyle | ok |
| 17:54.59 | petemc | bony: dovecot works well |
| 17:55.14 | tman__ | let say the host is ubuntu, and I create a schroot for debian etch |
| 17:55.23 | Nyle | ok |
| 17:55.38 | bony | petemc, thanks i will check it out |
| 17:55.39 | tman__ | I need to import the gpg key for the new chroot but can't just copy /etc/apt/trusted.gpg |
| 17:55.48 | Gast907 | slm |
| 17:55.54 | tman__ | Nyle: actually, maybe debootstrap deal with this :s |
| 17:55.55 | Nyle | tman__: you don't |
| 17:56.05 | Nyle | tman__: chroot will have its own keys |
| 17:56.11 | Nyle | has nothing to do with host os |
| 17:56.12 | Nyle | afaik |
| 17:56.34 | tman__ | that is why I need to find a way to create a new trusted.gpg |
| 17:56.39 | Nuxis | so -c to encrypt a file and -d to encrypt it? |
| 17:56.50 | Nyle | Nuxis: read the manpage i can't recall |
| 17:57.01 | Nyle | or use a frontend, search google for gpg frontend |
| 17:57.03 | Nyle | etc. etc. |
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| 17:57.13 | Nuxis | Nyle: well I'm reading it :) |
| 17:57.15 | Nyle | or 'how to encrypt files in linux' etc. or 'how to use gpg' |
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| 17:58.29 | Gast907 | slm |
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| 17:59.07 | Gast907 | faust+ |
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| 17:59.32 | eth01 | how would i go about banning 1 particular IP? |
| 17:59.44 | petemc | ip route add prohibit ip |
| 18:00.08 | eth01 | huh? |
| 18:00.54 | Nyle | oh boy |
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| 18:01.20 | simonrvn | it's a command... |
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| 18:01.36 | eth01 | ip isn't ;) |
| 18:01.41 | petemc | yes it is |
| 18:01.44 | simonrvn | yes it is |
| 18:01.48 | _Alix | yes it really is |
| 18:01.48 | eth01 | mx-adm-sector:/var/www/stuff# ip |
| 18:01.49 | eth01 | bash: ip: command not found |
| 18:01.54 | eth01 | i rest my case. |
| 18:01.56 | simonrvn | !installit |
| 18:01.56 | dpkg | *** NEWS FLASH! *** Your box does not come with every app, tool and utility known to debiankind installed already. If you find that the program you've been told to use isn't there, install it. Also ask me about <search>. if someone suggests an application to you, it's highly likely that it's available via apt-get, or aptitude |
| 18:01.58 | _Alix | iptables? |
| 18:02.03 | simonrvn | iproute |
| 18:02.07 | mksm_ | Hello. I just recompiled kernel and sound (snd_hda_intel) doesnt work anymore. I get this message: "snd_hda_intel: disagrees about version of symbol struct_module". Ideas? |
| 18:02.28 | eth01 | or hosts.deny ;) |
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| 18:02.39 | petemc | eth01: not everything uses tcpwrappers |
| 18:02.53 | simonrvn | not everything supports tcpwrappers |
| 18:02.57 | simonrvn | petemc: hehe |
| 18:03.00 | petemc | eth01: why do you ask, if you think you know everything already? |
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| 18:03.13 | eth01 | so to ban this ip i'd use .. ip route add prohibit 89.1.134.4 |
| 18:03.14 | Nyle | dude what the fuck |
| 18:03.15 | Nyle | my ear hurts |
| 18:03.24 | Nyle | why the hell would my ear randomly hurt |
| 18:03.26 | petemc | eth01: thats one way |
| 18:03.37 | eth01 | petemc: k thanks. |
| 18:03.38 | Nyle | this is ridiculous |
| 18:03.43 | Nyle | simonrvn: hey |
| 18:03.48 | simonrvn | hi |
| 18:04.06 | eth01 | how would i use a wildcard in that syntax? |
| 18:04.07 | duri | with apt-get how I find out what are the differences bethween two similarly named packages ? |
| 18:04.10 | Nyle | simonrvn: you live in canada? |
| 18:04.14 | eth01 | e.g to ban a *.domain.tld |
| 18:04.22 | simonrvn | yeh |
| 18:04.26 | Nyle | cool |
| 18:04.43 | Nyle | simonrvn: you speak french? |
| 18:04.49 | simonrvn | duri: apt-cache |
| 18:04.58 | petemc | eth01: you can use cidr |
| 18:04.59 | cusco | hmm there is something wrong with my last lenny upgrade |
| 18:05.00 | eth01 | ip route add prohibit 89.*.*.* ... would that work? |
| 18:05.01 | cusco | :/ |
| 18:05.10 | Gast907 | you speak germany |
| 18:05.18 | simonrvn | Nyle: yeh |
| 18:05.20 | Nyle | I'm sorry? |
| 18:05.22 | petemc | eth01: i would also be careful with that, especially on a remote box |
| 18:05.25 | Nyle | simonrvn: cool |
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| 18:05.37 | eth01 | petemc: yes i know, would that exact command actually work though? |
| 18:05.39 | duri | simonrvn: thanks, I used apt-cache to do a 'search'. now I need to dwelve into the differences across packages |
| 18:05.40 | wAndyw78 | Hi at all. How can i create a tcp-serial bridge? I want to open a tcp port and data send to this port should be forwarded to ttyS0 and any data received at /dev/ttyS0 forwarded to the connected client. Any hints? |
| 18:05.56 | simonrvn | duri: man apt-cache |
| 18:05.58 | Gast907 | wer kann hier deutsch |
| 18:05.59 | petemc | eth01: im not sure if globbing would work, cidr definately does tho |
| 18:06.02 | duri | wAndyw78: netcat |
| 18:06.09 | simonrvn | Gast907: no |
| 18:06.12 | duri | simonrvn: ok . thanks |
| 18:06.42 | simonrvn | globbing doesn't, cidr does |
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| 18:07.09 | bony | petemc, thanks a lot it worked like charm. its so easy and i could install an imaps server in just under 10 min thats cool. :-) |
| 18:07.10 | nioroz | hi back |
| 18:07.14 | nioroz | any converter from ram,rm to mpeg video and wav to mp3 audio exist in linux? |
| 18:07.20 | wAndyw78 | Gast907: Einige, aber die reden hier auch englisch... |
| 18:07.23 | petemc | bony: yeah, its v good |
| 18:07.47 | petemc | nioroz: mencoder or ffmpeg, lame for mp3 |
| 18:07.49 | wAndyw78 | duri: Hey thanks, exactly what I was looking for |
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| 18:08.01 | Nuxis | can I decrypt a folder with gpg :s |
| 18:08.18 | xingu | but hang on, the routing table isn't consulted, on ingres |
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| 18:10.15 | Nyle | Nuxis: what are you tring to do? |
| 18:10.31 | Nuxis | Nyle: I'm just wanna encrypt a whole folder |
| 18:10.33 | petemc | xingu: ? |
| 18:10.35 | Nyle | you are trying to protect your files? |
| 18:10.43 | Nuxis | yea |
| 18:10.45 | Nyle | why not make an ecrypted volume |
| 18:10.48 | Nyle | put your stuff there |
| 18:10.54 | Nyle | when not using it, umount it |
| 18:10.55 | Nuxis | with cfsd? |
| 18:10.56 | RickyWh01 | zythmer, so my book has an error in it if it says that /etc/init.d/sysklogd is a script file??? |
| 18:10.59 | Nyle | many tools |
| 18:11.23 | Nuxis | well I just want a folder so I can encrypt it and when I need it just enter it by password |
| 18:11.26 | xingu | petemc: ip route prohibit is surely only going to kick in when a packet is on a fwd or tx path, not at rx time |
| 18:11.47 | Nyle | Nuxis: http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/469 |
| 18:11.53 | Nuxis | tnx |
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| 18:12.33 | Fangorn | :o |
| 18:12.36 | Nuxis | mhh but Nyle whole my hd is in use |
| 18:12.42 | petemc | xingu: it effectively stops communication between your host and that ip, which is what i believe was required |
| 18:12.59 | Fangorn | hello people :o |
| 18:13.02 | tman__ | Nyle: actually, I don't have to bother, the trusted.gpg is install by debootstrap :D |
| 18:13.17 | Nyle | Nuxis: you can create a file using dd if=/dev/zero of=/encrypted.fs |
| 18:13.32 | Nuxis | "a file"? |
| 18:13.40 | Nyle | Nuxis: then you can use that as a partition mouted as loopback |
| 18:13.42 | Nyle | device |
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| 18:13.49 | Nuxis | oow like a virtual :) |
| 18:13.51 | Nyle | yes a file |
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| 18:14.46 | fyrestrtr | Nuxis: try trucrypt? |
| 18:15.10 | mcgreg | hi , where can I configure or what tool controls it what happens if I press atx-power-on .. currently it does shut-down .. but I would like it to do "hibernate-ram" (suspend2ram) |
| 18:15.41 | Nuxis | fyrestrtr: lemme check :) |
| 18:16.30 | dryrot | how do i get sound to work in debian testing ? |
| 18:16.58 | Nyle | !alsa |
| 18:16.58 | dpkg | methinks alsa is http://wiki.debian.org/ALSA or see <alsa install> or <alsa-checklist> |
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| 18:17.07 | Nyle | !alsa install |
| 18:17.07 | dpkg | alsa one-liner is probably "apt-get install alsa-base alsa-utils", or if you are running a 2.4 kernel ask me about <2.4 alsa one-liner>, or after its installed, run alsamixer and unmute the volume levels, or some applications don't know how to talk directly to ALSA (ask about <devdsp>). You may also need libesd-alsa0 if you're using ESD-based applications. |
| 18:17.23 | Nyle | dryrot: install alsa |
| 18:17.26 | iwkse | hi, is libmac2 the substitude of mac-3.99 in sid? |
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| 18:17.47 | Fangorn | next alsa-utils |
| 18:17.48 | Fangorn | :o |
| 18:17.54 | cahoot | dryrot: dpkg-reconfigure linux-sound-base && invoke-rc.d alsa-utils reset 0 should suffice |
| 18:18.09 | iwkse | i can't find the mac file *shrug* |
| 18:18.32 | RickyWh01 | i can't beleive the oreilly book titled Linux system administration contains errors all over :S |
| 18:18.53 | cahoot | dryrot: then test sound with speaker-test in a terminal |
| 18:18.55 | dryrot | what's 'invoke-rc.d' ? never heard of that before |
| 18:18.56 | RickyWh01 | i'll have to be cautious and test everything throughly |
| 18:19.45 | cahoot | dryrot: /etc/init.d/alsa-utils-reset 0 will do the same |
| 18:19.51 | simonrvn | dryrot: so man it |
| 18:20.06 | petemc | RickyWh01: what kind of errors? |
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| 18:21.17 | susanne-- | this is sorta wonky: i've got a usb drive shared via smb. is there a way to cache incoming writes to speed up performance, since the usb interface is slow? |
| 18:22.18 | RickyWh01 | petemc, i found two so far. one of them, page 19 says to edit a script file called /etc/initi.d/sysklogd but obviously that's not the script file |
| 18:22.39 | RickyWh01 | another couple errors are inconsistancies in the things that is said and what actually happens when you do stuff |
| 18:23.02 | petemc | RickyWh01: what is that file if its not a script? |
| 18:23.05 | RickyWh01 | could be related that i'm using etch and the book was made before etch, but still |
| 18:23.16 | iwkse | susanne--: usb cache should be already enabled |
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| 18:23.35 | RickyWh01 | yes it's not a script, the real script for edit is at /etc/default/syslogd |
| 18:23.56 | petemc | RickyWh01: differences in where distros put files arent errors, per se |
| 18:24.15 | petemc | RickyWh01: if you want debian specific, get madducks book |
| 18:24.18 | RickyWh01 | but anything that has /etc/init.d/* won't be a script file right? |
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| 18:24.27 | simonrvn | RickyWh01: /etc/defaul files get read in by init scripts |
| 18:24.27 | petemc | RickyWh01: they are scripts |
| 18:24.29 | simonrvn | t |
| 18:25.03 | Nuxis | mhh fyrestrtr then I need to compile a new kernel |
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| 18:27.09 | susanne-- | how can i tell what processes are holding open a drive that would prevent me from unmounting it? |
| 18:27.17 | cahoot | fuser |
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| 18:28.25 | hoxu | susanne--, also lsof |
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| 18:30.53 | sdubois92 | I'm install madwifi and when i run "modprobe ath_pci" it says Module not found |
| 18:31.12 | cahoot | sdubois92: try depmod -ea |
| 18:31.19 | elmo40 | did you load the module? or reboot? or even tell the module to be loaded upon boot? |
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| 18:32.02 | sdubois92 | cahoot: same |
| 18:32.15 | Nuxis | what is a lvm, I forgot |
| 18:32.42 | wols | !lvm |
| 18:32.42 | dpkg | lvm is, like, at http://dev.riseup.net/grimoire/storage/lvm2/, Logical Volume Manager for Linux, or ask me about <lvm_tutorial>, or extremely sexy. almost as sexy as Theo |
| 18:32.46 | cahoot | sdubois92: you sure the module actually is 'installed'? |
| 18:32.47 | Eulex | if a program grabbed my mouse and crashed, how do I 'ungrab' it? |
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| 18:33.03 | wols | sdubois92: dpkg -l |grep madwifi |
| 18:34.34 | Eulex | without needing to restart X, that is. even though I survive kinda well with just keyboard and mousekeys. |
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| 18:34.56 | petemc | tried running the app again? |
| 18:35.33 | petemc | i think xingu mentioned this morning that cured his mouse issues with a sdl app |
| 18:35.43 | simonrvn | yeh |
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| 18:36.12 | Eulex | petemc, yes |
| 18:36.12 | Nuxis | still don't get what lvm is :s |
| 18:36.56 | abrotman | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Logical_Volume_Manager_%28Linux%29 |
| 18:37.41 | simonrvn | Nuxis: so you go find out |
| 18:37.54 | Nuxis | yea I'm reading etc.. |
| 18:38.06 | xingu | Eulex: I think sdl has a facility to grab and keep the mousepointer; I was fooling with sauerbraten, and it died exactly as you describe, cursor frozen; fixing the configs so that it could start then exit _cleanly_ (without crashing) fixed. |
| 18:38.21 | Eulex | petemc, thank you, I fixed my sdl app to not crash and got the mouse back :) |
| 18:38.31 | Eulex | xingu, yeah |
| 18:38.33 | xingu | Eulex: but there's definitely a cleaner fix than that, I'm sure of it |
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| 18:39.39 | RoC_MasterMind | I have a problem with last...when you do it by default, it cuts off hostnames (and doesn't seem to have an option to not cut it off) and when you do "last -i" for numeric addresses, sometimes they are just 0.0.0.0 |
| 18:39.40 | RoC_MasterMind | portscan pts/2 c-76-122-42-166. Sun Nov 25 08:23 - 08:23 (00:00) |
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| 18:41.03 | abrotman | maybe change the COLUMNS? |
| 18:41.20 | petemc | last -a doesnt truncate hostnames for me |
| 18:41.52 | RoC_MasterMind | That works |
| 18:42.04 | RoC_MasterMind | Why doesn't it show 0.0.0.0 for the IP a lot? |
| 18:42.42 | RoC_MasterMind | I didn't see any options for that kind of thing in the man page abrotman |
| 18:42.52 | abrotman | COLUMNS=200 last |
| 18:43.12 | RoC_MasterMind | portscan pts/2 Sun Nov 25 08:23 - 08:23 (00:00) 0.0.0.0 |
| 18:43.18 | RoC_MasterMind | last -a -i |
| 18:43.26 | RoC_MasterMind | I don't understand why it does this 0.0.0.0 thing |
| 18:43.33 | RoC_MasterMind | I really need the numeric IP |
| 18:43.43 | RoC_MasterMind | I shouldn't have to resolve hostnames myself |
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| 18:44.15 | RoC_MasterMind | ahh, I see abrotman |
| 18:44.16 | abrotman | maybe they can't resolve? |
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| 18:45.17 | RoC_MasterMind | if I just do "last" it shows up |
| 18:45.29 | RoC_MasterMind | unless it decides to put "machine.local", which will never resolve. |
| 18:45.36 | RoC_MasterMind | for my local network PCs |
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| 18:48.17 | GuySoft | hey all, when i fold my laptop, it starts the screensaver and asks for a passowrd (i dont have that configured on my screensaver). using KDE, what should i do to stop it? it started after i did an upgrade yesterday |
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| 18:50.38 | tralala | GuySoft, it's probably in the acpi rules - see /etc/acpi.d or something |
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| 18:51.04 | DJ-Marcuzz | whats an goof system monitor, to see whats the disk activety and network activery? |
| 18:51.13 | GuySoft | tralala, ill have a look |
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| 18:52.20 | RickyWh1 | does anyone know what debian-sys-maint is? |
| 18:52.22 | GuySoft | tralala, i carnt find that kind of folder, i do have through many files in: /etc/acpi/ , not sure where to start |
| 18:52.45 | epsilon | debian-sys-maint: in which context? |
| 18:52.51 | tralala | GuySoft, try grep -ir lid /etc/acpi |
| 18:52.59 | epsilon | eh, RickyWh1 |
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| 18:53.23 | GuySoft | tralala, ah ok, its called 'lid' :) |
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| 18:54.16 | GuySoft | found , i think its : /etc/acpi/lid.sh |
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| 18:54.30 | tralala | sounds like it |
| 18:54.47 | GuySoft | tralala, oh my, pretty long.. |
| 18:55.13 | heatman | Im trying to install torrentflux but i keep getting the following error: ERROR 2002 (HY000): Can't connect to local MySQL server through socket (2) │ '/var/run/mysqld/mysqld.sock' |
| 18:55.26 | heatman | How can I fix that? |
| 18:55.39 | olspookishmagus | /msg nickser videntify whatkindofapwdisthis |
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| 18:56.14 | abrotman | whoops? |
| 18:56.15 | GuySoft | the last few version someone really scrambled with this package.. it does alot of wried stuff.. i also got random lockups from the keyboard related to it |
| 18:56.38 | RickyWh1 | epsilon, i think it's something to do with mysql? |
| 18:56.42 | RickyWh1 | mysql username |
| 18:57.05 | simonrvn | woops for sure |
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| 18:57.26 | simonrvn | heatman: it's trying to connect to a mysqld |
| 18:58.04 | reiser2 | Hi |
| 18:58.10 | heatman | simonrvn: mysql is installed |
| 18:59.00 | Nuxis | so a LVM is a virtual partition? |
| 19:00.10 | GuySoft | got it! its : /usr/share/acpi-support/screenblank it locks it all the time |
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| 19:01.27 | simonrvn | heatman: sure, you gotta make a user name etc. |
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| 19:01.39 | Nuxis | can someone please tell me simple what a LVM is? |
| 19:01.52 | maher | what's a good nullop command in bash? |
| 19:01.54 | heatman | simonrvn: whats is the command to invoke the configure process for mysql? |
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| 19:02.14 | abrotman | maher: sleep ? |
| 19:02.18 | heatman | simonrvn: never used it before so.. sry for the inconveniance |
| 19:02.52 | hoxu | Nuxis, it's a way to have a partition span multiple physical disks for example... or do online resizing :P |
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| 19:03.22 | Nuxis | so hoxu steal some space? |
| 19:03.33 | hoxu | ? |
| 19:03.38 | Nuxis | pff :p |
| 19:03.40 | abrotman | hoxu: LVM |
| 19:03.45 | rto | maher: true is also useful |
| 19:04.57 | Nuxis | abrotman: can you please explain simple what LVM is? |
| 19:05.09 | hoxu | eh |
| 19:05.12 | abrotman | Nuxis: scroll up .. there's a URL (or check wikipedia yourself) |
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| 19:05.22 | Nuxis | abrotman: yea.. k |
| 19:05.42 | maher | rto: thanks! just what I needed.... |
| 19:05.47 | rto | maher: no |
| 19:05.54 | rto | maher: :-) i meant to say np |
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| 19:06.27 | abrotman | rto: the command "yes" ? :) |
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| 19:07.14 | rto | abrotman: I think running "yes" would constitute as flooding |
| 19:07.20 | abrotman | hehe |
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| 19:11.39 | elmo40 | !moo |
| 19:11.39 | dpkg | mooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I'm a cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass. I'm a cow, you could be too; join us all! type apt-get moo. aplay /usr/lib/openoffice/share/gallery/sounds/cow.wav |
| 19:12.29 | hoxu | !cry on elmo40 |
| 19:12.29 | dpkg | Waaaah! *sniff* It's just not fair, elmo40! |
| 19:12.36 | acidchild | what log file would have error's about my gfx card over heating. |
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| 19:13.00 | elmo40 | sorry dpkg, you are too smelly for me! |
| 19:13.02 | elmo40 | hoxu: ;) |
| 19:13.32 | wols | acidchild: probably none |
| 19:13.34 | rto | acidchild: That is a very hard thing to debug, i have a box where the gfx chip is presumably over-heating an i just get random core dumps. |
| 19:13.41 | tralala | acidchild, maybe the kernel log, maybe the X log, maybe none |
| 19:13.50 | acidchild | K could i throw my kinda i guess maybe hardware or software |
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| 19:13.55 | acidchild | question at you guys |
| 19:13.56 | acidchild | k |
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| 19:14.24 | acidchild | i have a 400w psu, should be a 500-600w for the type of box |
| 19:14.27 | BadHorsie | debian uses devfs ? |
| 19:14.27 | wols | acidchild: did you have pixel errors? |
| 19:14.32 | acidchild | nope |
| 19:14.34 | acidchild | my box locks up |
| 19:14.38 | elmo40 | !devfs |
| 19:14.38 | dpkg | [devfs] obsolete and was [basically] removed from Linux from 2.6.13, or ask me about <devfs faq> |
| 19:14.39 | acidchild | and the keyboard lights flash |
| 19:14.39 | wols | BadHorsie: not anymore |
| 19:14.42 | rto | BadHorsie: Used to, we now use udev instead. |
| 19:14.49 | tecky | acidchild, ..... is that you ? |
| 19:14.50 | BadHorsie | nice |
| 19:15.09 | acidchild | so its PSU, some hardware issue maybe BIOS or GFX card over heating |
| 19:15.10 | wols | acidchild: why do you think it's the video that locks up? |
| 19:15.14 | wols | due to heat that is |
| 19:15.22 | acidchild | i realy have no idea whats wrong |
| 19:15.22 | acidchild | tecky: yes. |
| 19:15.36 | acidchild | no pm please. |
| 19:15.42 | acidchild | i wana see if these guys know how to fix my damn box |
| 19:16.01 | rto | acidchild: On my troublesome box (with an nForce nVidia thingy) i can run reliably with the X.org driver, but the nVidia driver fucks it up. |
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| 19:16.28 | acidchild | i have a 8800GT |
| 19:17.03 | acidchild | every time i do ntpdate it locks the box up too, i read somewhere there is a issue on 64bit and useing 32bit OS on changeing the time. |
| 19:17.14 | acidchild | on some kernel forum somewhere i lost the link ;( |
| 19:17.36 | acidchild | tecky: hows life? |
| 19:17.57 | tecky | acidchild, decent ... still living in NY |
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| 19:18.02 | BadHorsie | and whereis 50-udev.rules in debian? |
| 19:18.09 | acidchild | cool cool, moveing to Toronto soon. |
| 19:18.17 | tecky | acidchild, nice :D |
| 19:18.19 | acidchild | Been in Canada the last year and a bit |
| 19:18.20 | rto | BadHorsie: Presumably in /etc/udev |
| 19:18.43 | tecky | acidchild: give up on slack ? |
| 19:19.07 | acidchild | not realy, didn't feel like building a custom image to boot from a flash card |
| 19:19.10 | acidchild | so debian was easyer. |
| 19:19.20 | tecky | **nod** |
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| 19:19.48 | acidchild | Just built this box, not got a DVD drive in it yet or a CD for that matter |
| 19:19.50 | abrotman | BadHorsie: likely /etc/udev/ |
| 19:19.59 | acidchild | wait till someone gives me one lol i bearly use optical drives. |
| 19:20.20 | Nuxis | so how do I set up an lvm ? |
| 19:20.29 | acidchild | wols: the cutoff point for my card is 115c its at 86c atm, with nothing running? ;/ |
| 19:20.52 | acidchild | maybe i should bench mark this box from TTY |
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| 19:21.04 | acidchild | would that work? |
| 19:21.21 | rto | Nuxis: The debian installer has support for it, it was pretty smooth to set up using that. |
| 19:21.25 | DarkBahamut | hello everyone |
| 19:21.26 | acidchild | tecky: Toronto is going to be awesome. |
| 19:21.33 | Nuxis | rto k |
| 19:21.46 | tecky | acidchild, why is that ? |
| 19:21.55 | acidchild | been liveing in Sudbury the last year |
| 19:22.04 | acidchild | omfg is this town ( i wouldn't call it a city ) shite. |
| 19:22.51 | Ronin | acidchild: you should have lived there before the superstack then |
| 19:23.01 | acidchild | no thanks. |
| 19:23.14 | acidchild | this place is a cancer giveing trash hole ;x |
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| 19:23.22 | Ronin | oh please its not that bad |
| 19:23.47 | acidchild | Compaired to London, UK? |
| 19:24.00 | acidchild | :P |
| 19:24.02 | Ronin | ahh big city boy who moved to small town issues |
| 19:24.07 | acidchild | yes |
| 19:24.10 | RickyWh1 | is there a way to see a list of all services running on the machine and what port they are running on? |
| 19:24.23 | RickyWh1 | netsat -tap doesn't do me justice |
| 19:24.28 | acidchild | netstat -pa? |
| 19:24.29 | acidchild | ;p |
| 19:24.30 | RickyWh1 | as that only shows PID |
| 19:24.42 | acidchild | p should show you program name |
| 19:24.42 | Ronin | so it really doesnt suck, its just not a big stinky city |
| 19:24.43 | RickyWh1 | oh ya |
| 19:24.44 | acidchild | running as root? |
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| 19:25.09 | RickyWh1 | yes i'm root |
| 19:25.18 | acidchild | Ronin: Its a small stinky city with no money to be made, unless you wana risk loseing an arm or leg. |
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| 19:25.26 | cusco | RickyWh1: netstat -tapn |
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| 19:25.50 | RickyWh1 | cusco, thanks! |
| 19:25.55 | cusco | np |
| 19:26.03 | acidchild | just tcp? ;/ |
| 19:26.09 | acidchild | whats wrong with pa? ;x |
| 19:26.19 | RickyWh1 | pa? |
| 19:26.27 | acidchild | netstat -pa |
| 19:26.55 | anaximander | Isn't lsof nicer than netstat? |
| 19:27.00 | acidchild | yeppers ;x |
| 19:27.21 | Ronin | heh acidchild i lived there for 2 years so i know its not that bad |
| 19:27.22 | cusco | acidchild: doesn't show port |
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| 19:27.38 | tecky | netstat -tapn |
| 19:27.41 | acidchild | i see... |
| 19:27.46 | acidchild | cusco: kk |
| 19:27.58 | DarkBahamut | hey everyone, is there a way to re-install grub like how it was when i first installed Debian? |
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| 19:28.24 | cusco | and -n shows names |
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| 19:28.32 | acidchild | Ronin: lived in capreol but a bit too |
| 19:28.33 | acidchild | omfg... |
| 19:28.36 | acidchild | weird-o's :D |
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| 19:28.45 | tralala | DarkBahamut, do you have an install cd? |
| 19:28.50 | cusco | or somehting... |
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| 19:29.09 | DarkBahamut | tralala: i have debian etch and ubuntu |
| 19:29.39 | tralala | boot the etch cd in rescue mode and one of the options is to fix the boot loader |
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| 19:29.53 | cusco | boot into one of them, get a terminal and use update-grub and grub-install |
| 19:30.03 | cusco | ah yes, rescue mode! |
| 19:30.45 | DarkBahamut | tralala: i cant figure out how to do that on the etch cd |
| 19:30.49 | abrotman | !rescue |
| 19:30.49 | dpkg | from memory, rescue is at http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/FAQ ("Can I use d-i as a rescue system?") See also <rescue mode>. |
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| 19:31.05 | tralala | DarkBahamut, also see /msg dpkg rescue mode |
| 19:31.17 | RoC_MasterMind | Can someone test my telnet server? |
| 19:31.25 | tecky | you touched my tralala ? |
| 19:31.26 | acidchild | sure? |
| 19:31.27 | acidchild | ;/ |
| 19:31.32 | petemc | RoC_MasterMind: sure |
| 19:31.53 | RoC_MasterMind | telnet 71.203.172.58 |
| 19:32.08 | RoC_MasterMind | I think it is working right but I just want to be sure. |
| 19:32.12 | tralala | DarkBahamut, it has help |
| 19:32.19 | tecky | acidchild, wtf are you doing w/ a 8800 in linux btw ? |
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| 19:33.09 | petemc | RoC_MasterMind: nice one, works well |
| 19:33.22 | RoC_MasterMind | sweet |
| 19:33.36 | RoC_MasterMind | I've been working on it for like a week |
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| 19:33.49 | petemc | RoC_MasterMind: is the source available? |
| 19:33.53 | acidchild | RoC_MasterMind: check notice, seems to be fine to me :) |
| 19:34.43 | RoC_MasterMind | check notice? |
| 19:34.50 | DarkBahamut | brb |
| 19:34.54 | RoC_MasterMind | I guess I could make the source available. |
| 19:35.17 | acidchild | What? so someone can find a sploit? |
| 19:35.36 | petemc | acidchild: so other people can see and modify it |
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| 19:35.39 | RoC_MasterMind | oh |
| 19:35.40 | petemc | you know, free software.. |
| 19:35.51 | acidchild | damn that thing FOSS |
| 19:35.52 | RoC_MasterMind | yeah I actually would like to make sure it is secure |
| 19:35.59 | RoC_MasterMind | I'll have to drop it if I suspect I might get hacked |
| 19:36.12 | RoC_MasterMind | THat is weird acidchild |
| 19:36.19 | RoC_MasterMind | What does -s parameter do? |
| 19:36.23 | RoC_MasterMind | I didn't see it in man page |
| 19:36.35 | acidchild | oh ignore that. |
| 19:36.40 | acidchild | its --source-address |
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| 19:36.54 | RoC_MasterMind | oh |
| 19:36.59 | tralala | RoC_MasterMind, as soon as it runs in a chroot or restricted user you're fine. Security could also be improved by others if you share. |
| 19:37.08 | RoC_MasterMind | hmm...try the hostname "telnet hacker7.net" |
| 19:37.15 | RoC_MasterMind | hmm...a chroot |
| 19:37.17 | Foofty | hi, i'm having some trouble getting my logitech quickcam communicate stx (0x08ad) working in lenny, i've tried compiling the driver (whether correctly or not I do not know) but i can't get it to work, has anyone had any level of success with it? |
| 19:37.19 | acidchild | use Jail :D |
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| 19:37.39 | Decepticon | how do i get my hdds to automount whenever i login without being asked for passwords w/ 'sudo mount' |
| 19:38.02 | petemc | Decepticon: why not use /etc/fstab ? |
| 19:38.10 | Decepticon | petemc tell me about fstab |
| 19:38.12 | netgear | abrotman, i found the vendor and product for my 3g card,still doesnt work with modprobe |
| 19:38.21 | petemc | Decepticon: its very well documented |
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| 19:38.27 | RoC_MasterMind | I think restricting the user would be easier |
| 19:38.30 | RoC_MasterMind | *easiest |
| 19:38.35 | Decepticon | alright i will look at the man pages |
| 19:38.36 | abrotman | netgear: i went on vacation .. i figured you would have gotten it by now |
| 19:38.54 | Decepticon | petemc i just had never heard of it, now that i know, i will look at the manpage |
| 19:38.58 | RickyWh1 | If i setup Postfix, pop3 and Imap securely on my server, does this mean open relay will be turned off? |
| 19:39.15 | abrotman | it should |
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| 19:39.32 | netgear | i know it should but it doesnt |
| 19:39.51 | netgear | will a max os driver work for debian or not? |
| 19:40.04 | simonrvn | a what? |
| 19:40.05 | abrotman | i have no idea what maxOS is |
| 19:40.12 | RickyWh1 | is postfix better to use than sendmail? (security wise) |
| 19:40.16 | netgear | even got a .rpm and converted it with alien to .deb still that doesnt work |
| 19:40.26 | netgear | apple - Mac OS |
| 19:40.34 | netgear | based on debian kernel afaik |
| 19:40.36 | simonrvn | no, of course not |
| 19:40.38 | Foofty | oh, i've also tried easycam2 and easyspca too to no avail |
| 19:40.42 | simonrvn | stop trolling |
| 19:40.54 | abrotman | he's not trolling .. he's got some wacky internet card |
| 19:41.00 | abrotman | (i wonder if ndiswrapper would work) |
| 19:41.30 | RickyWh1 | anyone who asks a question about anything is trolling in some chans on freenode |
| 19:41.37 | simonrvn | if it's a fat driver, it will work with ndiswrapper (theoretically) |
| 19:41.53 | netgear | what is trolling? |
| 19:41.59 | simonrvn | !troll |
| 19:42.00 | dpkg | hmm... troll is [troll] In Internet terminology, a troll is a person who posts rude or offensive messages on the Internet, such as in online discussion forums, to disrupt discussion or to upset its participants. "Troll" can also mean the message itself or be a verb meaning to post such messages. "Trolling" is also commonly used to describe the activity. |
| 19:42.06 | abrotman | netgear: which set of instructions have you followed ? |
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| 19:42.51 | netgear | ive tried usb_switch which disables the flash side and lets linux pick up modem |
| 19:42.59 | netgear | ive tried nozomi drivers |
| 19:43.13 | netgear | ive tried modprobe with vendor and product |
| 19:43.13 | abrotman | right .. but which instructions? |
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| 19:43.30 | netgear | on which one? |
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| 19:43.44 | netgear | modprobe? |
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| 19:44.13 | simonrvn | damn another 10 hours til monday.... |
| 19:44.16 | Sponzor | turbo:/home# /etc/init.d/nfsserver start |
| 19:44.16 | Sponzor | bash: /etc/init.d/nfsserver: No such file or directory |
| 19:44.24 | heatman | simonrvn: whats is the command to invoke the configure process for mysql? |
| 19:44.28 | netgear | simonrvn, why dont you answer, seems to me you are really clever? |
| 19:44.29 | Sponzor | hot to do that in debian? |
| 19:44.37 | simonrvn | Sponzor: um, try using the right script |
| 19:44.38 | abrotman | netgear: you did the `m-a a-i nozumi` ? |
| 19:44.48 | Sponzor | what is it in debian? |
| 19:44.49 | simonrvn | heatman: eh what? |
| 19:44.57 | simonrvn | i didn't see it |
| 19:44.58 | netgear | yes |
| 19:45.16 | heatman | simonrvn: how can i configure the user for mysql? |
| 19:45.35 | abrotman | heatman: go to mysql.com and read the documentation |
| 19:45.43 | abrotman | netgear: and when you insert the card .. what happens ? |
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| 19:45.49 | RickyWh1 | does TLS = ssl? |
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| 19:45.57 | abrotman | !tls |
| 19:45.57 | dpkg | i heard tls is Transport Layer Security (ssl), or Thread-Local Storage, or in polish, TrzyLiterowy Skrot, translated to ThreeLetter Acronym, or http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transport_Layer_Security |
| 19:46.01 | simonrvn | RickyWh1: sorta |
| 19:46.06 | netgear | i get from lsusb that Option Globetrotter HSDPA gets detected |
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| 19:46.14 | abrotman | netgear: taht's good .. |
| 19:46.24 | netgear | but that is the flash side of card "Zero cd" |
| 19:46.31 | jelly-home | netgear: sounds like a nozomi-driven card all right |
| 19:46.45 | netgear | but that is even without nozomi |
| 19:46.58 | riz_ | Hi. Does someone have installed debian on raid 0 ? I have disks already in raid but when I try to install debian via netinst, it shows two disks instead on only one... |
| 19:47.05 | netgear | i have 2.6.18-5-686 kernel |
| 19:47.27 | abrotman | netgear: and if you `modprobe nozumi` .. what happens ? |
| 19:47.28 | netgear | dont know if upgrading to .20 + kernel will help |
| 19:47.39 | netgear | still nothing |
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| 19:47.59 | simonrvn | um, you checked lsmod? |
| 19:48.01 | tralala | riz_, most likely you've got software raid (as in fake). Use linux' software raid (md) |
| 19:48.05 | abrotman | did you modprobe 'usbserial' also ? |
| 19:48.24 | jelly-home | netgear: nothing, as in "modprobe doesn't load the modules and returns an error nothing", or "nothing in dmesg to indicate success"? |
| 19:48.43 | tralala | riz_, obviously it only works on linux, so if you plan on having other OSes there you'd be out of luck |
| 19:49.00 | netgear | from cat /proc/log/messages im supposed to see option and not qualcomm i keep on seeing qualcomm |
| 19:49.10 | netgear | it gets loaded |
| 19:49.33 | riz_ | tralala this is my scenario: raid0 with vista installed. What do you suggest me ? Break raid, installing vista, installing debian in first disk and mirror them via software to the second disk ? |
| 19:49.41 | netgear | but im supposed "according to posts on pharscape.org" to modprobe usbserial and usbserialoption |
| 19:49.57 | netgear | yes abrotman i did modprobe usbserial |
| 19:50.05 | netgear | and also with the vendor and product |
| 19:50.23 | jelly-home | My cardbus nozomi-driven card identifies as "15:00.0 Network controller: Option N.V. Qualcomm MSM6275 UMTS chip" |
| 19:50.39 | netgear | which card you have? |
| 19:50.44 | abrotman | netgear: and when you're done .. you've checked 'dmesg' for notification ? |
| 19:50.56 | netgear | the GT MAX 7.2 Ready GX0201? |
| 19:51.07 | Foofty | can someone please read this http://pastebin.ca/797124 and give me a bit of guidance of what is wrong |
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| 19:51.10 | netgear | mmm no |
| 19:51.35 | Foofty | i'm really stuck with compiling spca5xx |
| 19:51.37 | tralala | riz_, you can't get raid working in both of them, unless the mobo manufacturer supplies linux drivers. |
| 19:52.16 | jelly-home | netgear: back of the card says "Model: GT 3G+ EMEA, Designed in E.U. by Option". So it is some kind of Option Globetrotter. |
| 19:52.17 | Decepticon | is this a sane entry in /etc/fstab: "/dev/sda1 /media/Jumpdrive ext2 defaults 2 0" ? |
| 19:52.32 | riz_ | tralala dunno. The controller is a matrix intel ich9 |
| 19:52.33 | abrotman | Foofty: is spca the same as gspca ? |
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| 19:52.48 | Foofty | abrotman: i think so :) |
| 19:52.52 | netgear | according to post .20 kernels and above is supposed to see the card by default |
| 19:52.54 | abrotman | Foofty: did you try `m-a a-i spca` ? |
| 19:53.04 | jelly-home | netgear: but I have no experience with other models, usb included |
| 19:53.06 | cein | does anyone have a suggestion for an alternative application menu/launcher for gnome? |
| 19:53.08 | abrotman | Foofty: or apt-cache search gspca ? |
| 19:53.13 | netgear | anyone can confirm that? |
| 19:53.15 | simonrvn | Decepticon: why are you using a dump of 2? |
| 19:53.16 | tralala | riz_, you'd have to look it up. I've never set up raid in linux. |
| 19:53.25 | Decepticon | what are the two columns at the end for in /etc/fstab, i know the 6th field is for the order fsck to check the hdd for, but the 7th? |
| 19:53.38 | Foofty | abrotman:i installed gspca from apt and it didn't work with my webcam, but it's supposed to |
| 19:53.39 | Decepticon | simonrvn because 0 means dont check, 1 is for root fs, 2 ... for the |
| 19:53.40 | netgear | how-to has something on it i think |
| 19:53.50 | Decepticon | simonrvn unless im mistaken |
| 19:53.59 | simonrvn | Decepticon: not dump no, you mean 0 2 |
| 19:54.00 | abrotman | Foofty: hrm .. okay |
| 19:54.09 | Decepticon | er.. i see |
| 19:54.22 | sdubois92 | im installing madwifi and when i run modprobe ath_pci it says module not found |
| 19:54.42 | Decepticon | simonrvn let me get this straight, the 6th field is for ?, while the 7th field tells fsck to check in that order? |
| 19:54.44 | Foofty | abrotman: well, i apt-got 'gspca-modules-2.6.22-2-486' which should be right for my kernel |
| 19:54.53 | simonrvn | yes |
| 19:55.01 | Decepticon | er... 5th and 6th |
| 19:55.11 | phix | Can I file a bug report against the DFSG? |
| 19:55.23 | Decepticon | simonrvn, what is the "dump" field for? |
| 19:55.26 | abrotman | phix: uhm .. why? |
| 19:55.35 | phix | abrotman: Because it is anal |
| 19:55.38 | Decepticon | simonrvn, the "pass" field is for telling fsck the check order right? |
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| 19:55.45 | abrotman | phix: that's not a useful bug |
| 19:55.47 | simonrvn | i don't remember should be in the man page |
| 19:55.51 | simonrvn | yes |
| 19:55.52 | phix | abrotman: disallowing ilbc |
| 19:56.00 | phix | simonrvn: hey it is you again |
| 19:56.01 | netgear | abrotman, if i want to install kernel source with apt-get how do i do that |
| 19:56.02 | abrotman | it allows libc6 |
| 19:56.06 | phix | am I still on /ignore? |
| 19:56.15 | abrotman | netgear: apt-cache search linux-source ... get the one you want |
| 19:56.22 | phix | abrotman: ilbc is not libc6 though |
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| 19:56.25 | Decepticon | what does it mean when a filesystem needs to be dumped (in terms of /etc/fstab 5th column) |
| 19:56.29 | puchu | hi |
| 19:56.31 | phix | abrotman: ilbc is a codec used in asterisk |
| 19:56.38 | abrotman | phix: oh .. sorry .. thought you typoed |
| 19:56.45 | phix | abrotman: nah |
| 19:56.47 | abrotman | phix: what is the license on ilbc ? |
| 19:56.49 | puchu | is there a way t download complete packages instead of diffs when i do a shorewall update? |
| 19:57.05 | phix | abrotman: free, source is provided |
| 19:57.08 | abrotman | !pdiff |
| 19:57.09 | dpkg | as of apt version 0.6.44, apt now supports "pdiff" support, which allows apt-get update to download diffs of the Pacakges file of the repository instead of downloading the entire Packages file each time. you can disable the use of pdiffs by adding 'Acquire::Pdiffs "false";' to your /etc/apt/apt.conf |
| 19:57.09 | simonrvn | ask them not us |
| 19:57.12 | puchu | i menat apt-get update |
| 19:57.16 | puchu | ment |
| 19:57.22 | abrotman | meant ? |
| 19:57.23 | n3kl | Would it be stupid to run SW Raid on IDE? |
| 19:57.32 | abrotman | phix: which license? |
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| 19:57.36 | jelly-home | phix: some software is just not distributable, like mod_security or possibly your codec. Deal with it. |
| 19:57.37 | biatche1 | Say I have one modem-router (192.168.0.1) which connects to the net via PPPOE (dynamic ip). I point DMZ to 192.168.0.254 (a router) and I setup NAT on the router. Well, any NAT would have to point to 192.168.0.1 since it won't know the public IP. Does traffic still get NAT'd in this case? |
| 19:58.05 | phix | jelly-home: no, because then I need to edit the source code and put it back in |
| 19:58.20 | phix | jelly-home: too inconvient |
| 19:58.21 | zythmer | abrotman: ick, PDF license: http://www.ilbcfreeware.org/documentation/gips_iLBClicense.pdf |
| 19:58.36 | phix | zythmer: than you |
| 19:58.54 | jelly-home | phix: there are ways to automate building from sources. |
| 19:59.15 | zythmer | phix: That license doesn't allow commercial use. |
| 19:59.19 | phix | jelly-home: yes but the debian package of asterisk has been modified |
| 19:59.20 | abrotman | phix: the license is not Free .. it's a crappy license in general |
| 19:59.43 | n3kl | biatche1: you would want to nat on you most external interface, which would be your pppoe. I would also nat on the outward facting interface on the dmz router. |
| 19:59.55 | phix | abrotman: the licence isn't propertiary and closed enough, the source code is available |
| 20:00.02 | tralala | phix, if the license is agains DFSG it won't be accepted. Bitching here or filing bug reports agains DFSG won't help. |
| 20:00.03 | abrotman | phix: if you want to know why it's not DFSG-compatible .. ask the debian-legal mailing list |
| 20:00.10 | phix | abrotman: hence why I want to file a bug against DFSG |
| 20:00.17 | Foofty | i'm really confused as to why this isn't working |
| 20:00.18 | abrotman | phix: the source is available .. but there are restrictions on its use |
| 20:00.38 | phix | abrotman: so? |
| 20:00.45 | Foofty | hmm |
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| 20:01.30 | tralala | phix, DFSG is a "take it or leave it" deal. You don't get to modify it as it suites you |
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| 20:01.44 | abrotman | phix: see Section 2.2 of the license |
| 20:02.05 | abrotman | erm .. 2.B.2 or whatever |
| 20:02.22 | abrotman | bah .. still the wrong section .. /me gives up |
| 20:02.31 | phix | haha |
| 20:02.31 | phix | aawww |
| 20:02.46 | abrotman | phix: that license is pretty non-free .. ask debian-legal |
| 20:02.57 | phix | tralala: it won't just suit me, ilbc would be good for all over debian users too |
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| 20:03.08 | phix | abrotman: ok well thank you for taking the time to look over it |
| 20:03.23 | tralala | phix, I doubt it |
| 20:03.26 | abrotman | phix: sometimes we get people here that know more about licensing .. but that one looks pretty awful |
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| 20:03.58 | abrotman | (i think it's reading that you can only distribute in binary form ...) |
| 20:04.02 | tralala | but anyhow do as abrotman says and ask debian-legal |
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| 20:05.09 | RickyWh1 | do good linux admins watch all the security sites for exploits and turn services off when exploits are made? |
| 20:05.27 | jelly-home | RickyWh1: "all" the sites? |
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| 20:05.42 | tralala | RickyWh1, the debian admins usually watch the security repo |
| 20:05.44 | RickyWh1 | ya you know like securitydot |
| 20:06.04 | RickyWh1 | or that mal* one |
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| 20:06.58 | RickyWh1 | is there one mailing list for them all? |
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| 20:08.36 | abrotman | !tracker of doom |
| 20:08.37 | dpkg | hmm... tracker of doom is a vulnerability database maintained by the debian security team, viewable at http://security-tracker.debian.net or read http://www.enyo.de/fw/software/debsecan/ |
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| 20:08.46 | jelly-home | RickyWh1: not that I know of, hence my question. How do you know you have "all" the sources? How do you know they're relevant and reliable? |
| 20:08.51 | Nico70 | ciao |
| 20:09.31 | Nico70 | list |
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| 20:09.45 | RickyWh1 | you subscribe to all of the lists, and create an rss out of them all, then make a new site and post everything consolodated |
| 20:10.25 | roxy_ | does anyone knows of a debian based nas server ? |
| 20:10.27 | RickyWh1 | then you go into the hacker world as vibrateXXL irc handle and start talking some smack and get in good with the dudeZ of course |
| 20:10.33 | tralala | that should work pretty well on the drawing board |
| 20:10.36 | RickyWh1 | they give yout he good lists |
| 20:10.40 | jelly-home | there you go again with the "all" word |
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| 20:11.10 | abrotman | roxy_: google ? |
| 20:11.18 | RickyWh1 | lol |
| 20:11.42 | Nico70 | lista |
| 20:11.47 | tralala | RickyWh1, then you proceed to fix the relevant packages and upload the new versions. Oh, wait - we already have that - it's called the debian security team. |
| 20:11.58 | simonrvn | Nico70: we don't do warez here, go away |
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| 20:12.26 | simonrvn | ircing as Administrator too... |
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| 20:13.08 | FabParma | how to switch off the graphic engine and let the Debian works only as local network server w/o reboot? |
| 20:13.14 | anapivirtua_ | Swar` |
| 20:13.20 | abrotman | FabParma: /etc/init.d/?dm stop |
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| 20:14.18 | FabParma | abrotman: its like init 3 in redhat fedora ecc? |
| 20:14.26 | abrotman | that doesn't work here |
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| 20:15.47 | tralala | speaking of runlevels does debian make any use of them by default? |
| 20:16.01 | FabParma | i just use the graphic some time. "/etc/init.d/?dm stop" and startx are the only methods? |
| 20:16.34 | el_isma | Hi! Any recommendations for drawing digital electronic schematics? I don't like Xcircuit. Is there any other simple program? |
| 20:16.42 | tralala | FabParma, what else would you like to have? |
| 20:16.50 | acidchild | el_isma: erm freshmeat.net that. |
| 20:16.55 | acidchild | there is one i forgot the name. |
| 20:17.03 | abrotman | el_isma: geda ? |
| 20:17.06 | FabParma | simply init x |
| 20:17.19 | deever | how can i build a cross compile tool chain for the armv5tel arch? |
| 20:17.24 | tralala | how's that better than startx? |
| 20:18.00 | tralala | deever, offtopic, google has howtos |
| 20:18.29 | Tidus | FabParma, i'd just disable ?dm and use the startx method if you only use graphics some of the time. |
| 20:18.42 | FabParma | tralala: startx it is ok, but the command to switch off the grapic engine it is a bit complicate |
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| 20:19.12 | tralala | FabParma, uninstall any dms that you might have and then it's only startx, ctrl-alt-backspace |
| 20:19.12 | Tidus | FabParma, what window manager do you use? |
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| 20:19.19 | abrotman | FabParma: apt-get remove gdm kdm xdm |
| 20:19.44 | Tramp | !nox |
| 20:19.44 | dpkg | Debian does not use a specific runlevel for graphical display managers by default. Just remove the dm package(s) with "apt-get remove xdm kdm wdm login.app gdm pdm". "update-rc.d -f xdm remove" and friends will also disable the dm until a package update is installed and the runlevel symlinks are restored.. NEWSFLASH! echo "false" >/etc/X11/default-display-manager, or a temporary solution is to hit ctl-alt-fN to get to a console |
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| 20:22.58 | deever | tralala: configuring binutils returns with the error "machine `armv5tel' not recognized" and google doesn't find a result for this error |
| 20:23.12 | FabParma | im sorry if i repeat. if i use "/etc/init.d/?dm stop" it stops only the grafic engines? |
| 20:23.30 | deever | but i probably should use the #gcc channel, i see |
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| 20:23.33 | jelly-home | FabParma: yes |
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| 20:25.02 | FabParma | jelly-home: have i to use a sbin object? brfore the "/etc/init.d/?dm stop"? |
| 20:25.16 | RickyWh1 | anyone know the command to configure ipopd? |
| 20:25.16 | abrotman | no |
| 20:25.18 | jelly-home | FabParma: what? |
| 20:25.22 | simonrvn | what does that mean? |
| 20:25.38 | abrotman | he wants to know if he needs to do a like /usr/sbin/<command> before doing the init |
| 20:25.40 | tralala | FabParma, this command won't work as it is. You need to replace the ? with a letter |
| 20:26.02 | simonrvn | abrotman: thank you for the translation |
| 20:26.09 | jelly-home | !it |
| 20:26.09 | dpkg | per aiuto in lingua italiana, provi il canale #debian-it sulla rete irc.freenode.net (non irc.debian.org). C'è anche il canale #linux-it là. |
| 20:26.12 | tralala | well it might work if you have only on DM installed |
| 20:26.17 | tralala | one |
| 20:26.18 | FabParma | sorry for my english |
| 20:26.23 | simonrvn | </NOT sarcasm> |
| 20:27.08 | jelly-home | it would be swell if dpkg knew which network it was on |
| 20:27.41 | tralala | dpkg, you stupid |
| 20:27.54 | puchu | how can i change mirrors for apt-get? |
| 20:28.05 | abrotman | !mirrors |
| 20:28.05 | dpkg | [debian mirrors] http://www.debian.org/mirror/list or ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/README.mirrors.txt | ask me about <apt-setup> or <apt-spy> | to make a mirror, see http://www.debian.org/mirrors/ |
| 20:28.07 | streuner | puchu: why do want that ? |
| 20:28.19 | HardDisk_WP | i use mencoder dvd://$3 ... to rip dvd title. how do i make this command work with ISO files instead of real dvds? |
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| 20:28.27 | abrotman | jelly-home: he probably does .. but i don't thnk you'd want to change factoids based on that ? |
| 20:28.38 | tralala | HardDisk_WP, mencoder isofile? |
| 20:28.45 | Kevin` | HardDisk_WP -dvd-device blah.iso |
| 20:28.46 | puchu | streuner debian.us is realy slow |
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| 20:28.59 | RickyWh1 | when i first isntalled postfix using apt-get install postfix postfix-tls libsasl2 sasl2-bin libsasl2-modules ipopd-ssl uw-imapd-ssl, // i originally got some kind of GUI interface that has some options, anyone know how to bring that GUI back up ? |
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| 20:29.23 | RickyWh1 | the title of the GUI at the top said "Conifguring ipopd" |
| 20:29.24 | streuner | puchu: there are many mirror in US, feel free to try another then |
| 20:29.30 | tralala | RickyWh1, dpkg-reconfigure packagename (probably postfix) |
| 20:29.34 | jelly-home | abrotman: that particular one could be changed not to mention freenode at all here, and only mention it on oftc |
| 20:29.34 | streuner | puchu: mirrors* |
| 20:29.35 | HardDisk_WP | Kevin`, and the dvd://$3 should stay? |
| 20:29.38 | puchu | streuner but where i i change this? |
| 20:29.47 | RickyWh1 | tralala, thx |
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| 20:29.48 | Kevin` | HardDisk_WP what's $3? |
| 20:29.51 | puchu | i i/i |
| 20:29.52 | abrotman | jelly-home: meh .. i'd imagine the factoid language would suck :) |
| 20:30.13 | Decepticon | is my /etc/fstab ok? http://pastebin.ca/797168 |
| 20:30.24 | Kevin` | mplayer -dvd-device directoryorisofileordevice dvd://1 |
| 20:30.30 | HardDisk_WP | Kevin`, a shell param in my bashscript |
| 20:30.38 | HardDisk_WP | it specifies the dvd title number |
| 20:30.43 | jelly-home | abrotman: It already has variable expansion, just needs a (foo ? bar : baz) construct |
| 20:30.50 | Kevin` | HardDisk_WP keep it, yes |
| 20:30.55 | abrotman | jelly-home: icky! |
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| 20:31.15 | HardDisk_WP | Kevin`, :) thanks! |
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| 20:31.27 | abrotman | Decepticon: are they really ext2 ? |
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| 20:31.32 | Decepticon | yeah |
| 20:31.36 | Decepticon | why, was that a bad move? |
| 20:31.47 | abrotman | just wondering |
| 20:31.55 | Decepticon | shouldve made them ext3? |
| 20:31.59 | abrotman | Decepticon: do you *really* want them mounted sync ? |
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| 20:32.19 | Decepticon | those are USB hdds the ones with sync |
| 20:32.34 | abrotman | yeah .. that's nice .. but do you really want them mounted sync ? |
| 20:32.48 | Kevin` | Decepticon it is a better idea to just unmount them properly then use sync. better performance, less wear |
| 20:33.00 | Decepticon | im not sure what it entails, i was recommeded to use sync for them |
| 20:33.24 | Kevin` | sync immediately writes changes to the disk |
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| 20:33.35 | cloakable | Kevin`: For a usb-hdd drive? usb-flash I could understand, but usb-hdd? |
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| 20:33.53 | Kevin` | usb-hdd probably wouldn't break, but it would have reduced performance |
| 20:34.29 | Crooksey | thinking about installing etch, does amd64 have much support, or is it best to stick with x86? |
| 20:34.31 | Decepticon | shall i remove 'sync' then from the options |
| 20:34.45 | abrotman | Decepticon: when you mount them sync *every* bit that changes is written when it happens .. it creates a lot of drive wear .. |
| 20:34.58 | Kevin` | decepticon don't unplug the drive without unmounting it |
| 20:35.00 | abrotman | Decepticon: but you really do have to remember to umount it before removing it |
| 20:35.00 | nareshov | Crooksey, what do you think would be missing? |
| 20:35.14 | Decepticon | im never removing these drives |
| 20:35.14 | abrotman | Crooksey: if you need java or flash .. use 32bit |
| 20:35.23 | nareshov | you get flash on amd64 |
| 20:35.32 | Crooksey | does it work ok? |
| 20:35.35 | nareshov | yes |
| 20:35.36 | abrotman | wityh nspluginwrapper .. |
| 20:35.59 | nareshov | just aptitude install flashplugin-nonfree and it'll do the rest |
| 20:36.02 | jelly-home | for me it didn't work "well" |
| 20:36.14 | Crooksey | nareshov, on 64bit will that handle all deps? |
| 20:36.15 | jelly-home | or at all in Konqueror or Opera |
| 20:36.18 | nareshov | java-webplugin might be a problem right now |
| 20:36.20 | nareshov | Crooksey, yes |
| 20:36.30 | Crooksey | ok awsome :) |
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| 20:36.40 | nareshov | worked fine in Iceweasel, Epiphany |
| 20:36.47 | Decepticon | so what options do i have if i dont want every bit of change to be written when it happens (thus creating a lot of drive wear) with sync? should i just remove 'sync' and make them rw,user |
| 20:36.57 | abrotman | try it and see |
| 20:37.31 | nareshov | Crooksey, fedora 8 has managed to get java to work in browsers - via the icedtea-java plugin |
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| 20:37.47 | nareshov | it's a matter of time before debian gets it |
| 20:37.49 | nareshov | too |
| 20:37.55 | abrotman | which java vresion does icedtea target? |
| 20:38.08 | jelly-home | abrotman: 7, WIP |
| 20:38.09 | tralala | Decepticon, I personally use autofs and just wait until the stick is unmounted |
| 20:38.25 | Crooksey | nareshov, cant find a download link for amd64.iso in europe |
| 20:38.35 | Crooksey | net isntall pref |
| 20:38.38 | Decepticon | im not planning on unmounting or removing these drives ever |
| 20:39.03 | nareshov | Crooksey, I did a lenny netinst and moved to sid. Not sure about etchy :D |
| 20:39.05 | tralala | alternatively kde and gnome provide you with windows-like removal tools |
| 20:39.42 | Crooksey | nareshov, ok well amd64 sid will be fine |
| 20:39.54 | nareshov | What's the difference between OFTC's #debian and this one? |
| 20:40.07 | abrotman | nareshov: different people |
| 20:40.11 | abrotman | different networks |
| 20:40.11 | jelly-home | Decepticon: using sync option makes little sense if you don't plan on suddenly unplugging the devices |
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| 20:40.15 | tralala | Decepticon, then why do you care? Remove sync from fstab and let it finish whenever it wants |
| 20:40.17 | abrotman | !sid upgrade |
| 20:40.17 | dpkg | Repeat after me: Sid is NOT AN UPGRADE! Sid is meant for developers and testers, so stay away from it if you're neither. Use stable or testing instead. |
| 20:40.35 | Decepticon | i see |
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| 20:41.00 | Crooksey | nareshov, what iso would be the most current for amd64 |
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| 20:41.21 | nareshov | Crooksey, you might want to use lenny ? |
| 20:41.28 | nareshov | It gets security updates these days |
| 20:41.28 | Crooksey | ? |
| 20:41.31 | tralala | erm, I don't fullheartedly agree with this factoid |
| 20:41.38 | abrotman | which? |
| 20:41.43 | tralala | sid upgrade |
| 20:41.53 | nareshov | me neither |
| 20:41.59 | abrotman | tralala: fine .. you support all the newbies that run sid .. |
| 20:42.04 | nareshov | I think sid is a lot stabler than a released ubuntu >_> |
| 20:42.08 | nareshov | hehe |
| 20:42.14 | tralala | abrotman, not that bit - the bit suggesting testing |
| 20:42.15 | abrotman | nareshov: that doesn't make it suitable for novice users |
| 20:42.25 | abrotman | tralala: testing is way more stable than unstable |
| 20:42.33 | nareshov | oh |
| 20:42.40 | tralala | testing is a glorified unstable |
| 20:42.41 | Crooksey | abrotman, im coming for gentoo, so i know how to fix things :) |
| 20:42.49 | abrotman | Crooksey: the debian way? or the gentoo way? |
| 20:42.52 | nareshov | Crooksey, me too :D |
| 20:42.54 | nareshov | hehe |
| 20:42.59 | nareshov | good point |
| 20:42.59 | tralala | a few days old glorified unstable |
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| 20:43.10 | darkbahamut | hello everyone |
| 20:43.28 | nareshov | Crooksey, get the first CD - http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/weekly-builds/amd64/iso-cd/ |
| 20:43.37 | dvs | tralala: and the problem is...? |
| 20:43.53 | abrotman | Crooksey: in reality .. you should not use sid/unstable until you are familiar with how debian and apt work |
| 20:43.56 | tralala | dvs, supporting the newbies |
| 20:44.41 | Crooksey | nareshov, i want to do a net install |
| 20:44.56 | nareshov | you can do that with this cd |
| 20:45.03 | nareshov | you want a smaller cd? |
| 20:45.03 | abrotman | Crooksey: please use lenny ... NOT sid |
| 20:45.21 | dvs | Crooksey: seconded... use lenny |
| 20:45.24 | nareshov | abrotman, this is lenny |
| 20:45.29 | Crooksey | wtf is lenny? |
| 20:45.31 | abrotman | nareshov: you already said you were on sid |
| 20:45.38 | dvs | Crooksey: testing |
| 20:45.41 | Ronin | !lenny |
| 20:45.41 | dpkg | lenny is probably the codename for the next Debian release, currently testing. Lenny is the binoculars. ask me about <etch->lenny> |
| 20:45.44 | nareshov | debian-testing-amd64-CD-1.iso == lenny ? |
| 20:46.02 | dvs | nareshov: correct |
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| 20:46.36 | sdubois92 | how come when i ran apt-get dist-upgrade on my laptop it updated the icon theme and when i ran it on my desktop it didnt? |
| 20:46.41 | abrotman | Crooksey: you have two options .. you can get an etch netinst .. and then go to lenny from that .. or get the lenny netinst(which may or may not work well) from the debian-installer project page |
| 20:46.53 | Crooksey | So .... http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/weekly-builds/amd64/iso-cd/debian-testing-amd64-CD-1.iso |
| 20:46.59 | Crooksey | will be ok? |
| 20:47.02 | nareshov | yes |
| 20:47.05 | dvs | Crooksey: that'll work. |
| 20:47.15 | RickyWh1 | sdubois92, are you running diff versions of debian on each? |
| 20:47.18 | Crooksey | ok, is there a uk mirror for that? |
| 20:47.24 | abrotman | Crooksey: not really |
| 20:47.32 | dvs | sweden? |
| 20:47.33 | abrotman | Crooksey: that's the full CD .. 650MB .. the netinst is about 150MB |
| 20:47.48 | abrotman | sdubois92: a metapackage perhaps ? |
| 20:47.53 | Crooksey | link to netinst, i cant find it |
| 20:47.58 | abrotman | sdubois92: or mirrors that are out of sync |
| 20:48.02 | abrotman | !d-i Crooksey |
| 20:48.02 | dpkg | Crooksey, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/debian-installer/ Or http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ (if you've got hardware that the 4.0r0 installer doesn't support) for your own good, and everyone else's. |
| 20:48.31 | bliss_ | hello i am confused about fqdn. if i send a mail to my mail box with the address admin@mydomain.com it bounces the fqdn is mail.mydomin.com must i prefix 'mail' with all mails i sent? |
| 20:48.44 | bliss_ | or that other people send |
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| 20:48.56 | nareshov | bliss_, MX entry somewhere? |
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| 20:49.45 | bliss_ | nareshov: ok i see yes the mx entry is mail.mydomain.com |
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| 20:51.34 | petemc | bliss_: have you told your mta to accept mails for mydomain.com? |
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| 20:51.53 | bliss_ | so better change the mx or if people send via tls say direct to my ip address this bounce effect will noot happen |
| 20:52.05 | bliss_ | not |
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| 20:52.37 | petemc | its fine that the mx for mydomain is mail.mydomain |
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| 20:53.31 | bliss_ | petemc thanks i just had a moment or so to understand it but yes its ok |
| 20:55.09 | bliss_ | petemec; so why i make a gnupg key for admin@mydomin.com should be admin@mail.mydomain.com? |
| 20:55.30 | bliss_ | sorry not why i ment when |
| 20:55.42 | spq | i want to setup the following: i have some services, lets say 20 - each should be in a OpenVZ environment, some root servers lets say 10 - now it should be possible that X - lets say two - root servers crash, it should be possible to keep the applications running, a short downtime - lets say 5minutes - is okay, anyone ideas what could help me? |
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| 20:56.23 | spq | i thought about openVZ(as mentioned), drbd and heartbeat... |
| 20:56.49 | spq | but how can i make sure that two nodes can go down and still be able to access the data |
| 20:57.26 | spq | / to start the applikaton again |
| 20:58.36 | bliss_ | petemc: so should the gnupg keys for admin be admin@mail.mydomian.com oradmin@ mydomain.com |
| 20:58.55 | snewp | i want to increase teh partition size of my / and i will get it from my /home .. is this possible ? |
| 20:58.58 | petemc | bliss_: they should be the address you use |
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| 20:59.14 | spq | i need to have a filesystem available on two machines, but if those two machines go down i have to be able to recover the data from other nodes |
| 20:59.31 | spq | snewp, which filesystems? |
| 20:59.42 | snewp | spq, ext3 |
| 20:59.50 | spq | bliss_, extending is no problem on most filesystems |
| 20:59.51 | snewp | they are both on ext3 filesystems |
| 20:59.58 | spq | shrinking can be a problem |
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| 21:00.13 | spq | you first have to shrink your home partition |
| 21:00.16 | Ronin | heh |
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| 21:00.18 | spq | google for it |
| 21:00.55 | spq | hmm, you dont have the partitions on lvm, right? |
| 21:01.08 | snewp | nope |
| 21:01.21 | sdubois92 | i ran apt-get dis upgrade and now my fonts look A LOT bigger than before, its this normal? |
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| 21:01.39 | bliss_ | petemc: ok i have used mixmaster@mydomin.com which bounced, where as mixmaster@mail.mydomain.com did not bounce i have not created keys for admin as yet |
| 21:02.02 | petemc | bliss_: its bad when one thing becomes two |
| 21:02.29 | snewp | sdubois92, try to change it in Desktop > Preferences > Font |
| 21:02.34 | petemc | bliss_: sort out the mail bouncing problem, then think about gpg |
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| 21:03.07 | kriebel | sdubois92, it could also be related to your discovered screen resolution (pixels per inch) |
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| 21:03.39 | bliss_ | petemc: could you explain that just a bit more please "its bad when one thing becomes two" ? |
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| 21:04.23 | petemc | bliss_: its from hagakure, i was kinda joking around - but you should concentrate on one problem at a time |
| 21:04.32 | Derailed | Hey guys, I just installed etch on a PowerMac G5, all working great, but it will *not* boot unless there is a monitor plugged in to the computer. Does anyone have any ideas what's going on? |
| 21:05.10 | RickyWh1 | what exactly is this? The following packages will be upgraded: linux-image-2.6-486 linux-image-2.6.18-5-486 |
| 21:05.11 | bliss_ | petemc; ok yes thats seems to ring true |
| 21:05.19 | abrotman | RickyWh1: it's your kernel |
| 21:05.30 | abrotman | !ppc |
| 21:05.30 | dpkg | rumour has it, ppc is is short for <powerpc>, and powerpc is the superior architecture. You worship it, and wish you were running on it. Check out http://www.debian.org/ports/powerpc/ or visit #debianppc |
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| 21:06.40 | bliss_ | petemc: its just keys for admin really you most other nodes will use a mta that send mail to my static IP |
| 21:06.48 | Derailed | abrotman, cheers, I'll ask there |
| 21:06.53 | RickyWh1 | funny, my kernel is being upgraded, but the kernel version is the same so it's telling me that it's 'stressing out some guy cause i need to reboot or something'. |
| 21:07.09 | abrotman | RickyWh1: it's a security update |
| 21:07.11 | RickyWh1 | it says some guys hair will go white if i do not reboot soon after |
| 21:07.19 | nareshov | hehe |
| 21:07.34 | S4nD3r | so... video cards are supported by lenny... |
| 21:07.36 | RickyWh1 | i hope it's not me |
| 21:07.37 | petemc | bliss_: if your mta rejects mail for mydomain.com, its likely because it hasnt been told to accept mail for mydomain.com |
| 21:07.46 | S4nD3r | Id like to buy geforce (256) is supported |
| 21:07.53 | S4nD3r | its easy to install... |
| 21:07.54 | S4nD3r | ahahahah |
| 21:07.55 | S4nD3r | lol |
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| 21:08.25 | abrotman | S4nD3r: english ? |
| 21:08.56 | nareshov | :D |
| 21:09.04 | Decepticon | does /etc/fstab loading hdds on bootup ask y/n questions on bootup when doing fstab that might halt bootup? |
| 21:09.07 | bliss_ | petemc; bliss_ finally understands ok i will amend the line in postfix main.cf |
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| 21:09.35 | reber | hi all |
| 21:10.29 | reber | is it possible to make an .deb file **from** a package already installed on a machine, and how please ? Is there a deb tool to do that ? |
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| 21:11.22 | abrotman | yes |
| 21:11.34 | bliss_ | petemc; many thanks |
| 21:11.42 | petemc | np |
| 21:12.08 | abrotman | !info dpkg-repack etch |
| 21:12.11 | dpkg | dpkg-repack: (puts an unpacked .deb file back together), section admin, is optional. Version: 1.25 (etch), Packaged size: 11 kB, Installed size: 64 kB |
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| 21:12.44 | ricosecada | I have a Broadcom 4400 network card that shows up as eth0 in dmesg, but when I look in /dev there is no eth*, how do I deal with that? |
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| 21:13.11 | abrotman | eth devices don't get created in /dev/ |
| 21:13.37 | Decepticon | when using /etc/fstab for my hdds, on startup if fsck finds an error in a hdd, will it halt bootup with a y/n question waiting for my input? |
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| 21:14.50 | ricosecada | abrotman, where can I see it then? When I try to ifup the device, I can that it doesn't exists |
| 21:15.00 | abrotman | Decepticon: it's asking to check it .. you want to do that |
| 21:15.10 | abrotman | ricosecada: ifconfig -a |
| 21:15.32 | acu | I am trying to install a wireless 1390 broadcome v 2.0 in an AMD64 HPPavilion dv9627cl: I got both bcmwl6.sys and bcml6.inf from vista32 - however i am not able to make the wireless run (or activate it) can anyone help me ? |
| 21:15.46 | abrotman | ricosecada: if it's not there .. the device isn't working .. it wouldn't be there |
| 21:16.30 | ricosecada | abrotman, thanks! |
| 21:16.44 | Decepticon | abrotman i have a headless machine, thats why im asking about that |
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| 21:16.55 | RickyWh1 | does this line use echo as a utlity to input text to the file specified? |
| 21:16.55 | RickyWh1 | echo 'mech_list: plain login' >> /etc/postfix/sasl/smtpd.conf |
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| 21:17.08 | abrotman | Decepticon: so fix it already .. |
| 21:17.31 | abrotman | RickyWh1: it appends your quoted text to that file |
| 21:18.07 | Decepticon | abrotman im sorry i dont follow you :( |
| 21:18.19 | abrotman | Decepticon: why is it asking you a question? |
| 21:18.33 | Decepticon | im not sure if it is, i dont have a monitor to see |
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| 21:19.13 | RickyWh1 | abrotman: append means to the bottom on a new line? |
| 21:19.15 | Decepticon | abrotman what i meant to say is that, in case of a unplanned shutdown, fsck will run on my hdds in /etc/fstab yes, and im worried about if whether or not my bootup will get halted by a silly y/n question or not |
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| 21:19.35 | abrotman | RickyWh1: it adds to the bottom of the file |
| 21:19.40 | loswillios | hej |
| 21:19.52 | abrotman | Decepticon: setup a serial console ? |
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| 21:21.01 | loswillios | Has anyone successfully setup wpa2-psk authentication with /etc/network/interfaces? |
| 21:21.11 | loswillios | I have some trouble with it |
| 21:21.39 | loswillios | When I call wpa_supplicant / dhclient from CL, everything's fine. But this config doesn't work: http://pastebin.com/m18fa0f42 |
| 21:21.52 | loswillios | (in /etc/network/interfaces) |
| 21:22.20 | loswillios | wpa_supplicant is started but doesn't seem to authenticate cause I see nothing on the AP |
| 21:23.49 | loswillios | for a start it would be cool to have some debug infos from wpa_supplicant |
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| 21:25.14 | m4st3r-y0d4 | hey, somebody has a good sources.list for etch?? |
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| 21:25.42 | m4st3r-y0d4 | i'm havin some problems installing gimp and kde-core |
| 21:25.55 | m4st3r-y0d4 | and amaroK too |
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| 21:26.17 | snewp | im using au mirrors |
| 21:26.54 | m4st3r-y0d4 | what's au? |
| 21:27.03 | m4st3r-y0d4 | (I speak spanish) |
| 21:27.07 | zu22 | blootbot entry on "hold" suddenly trails off |
| 21:27.07 | m4st3r-y0d4 | XD |
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| 21:28.03 | zu22 | anyone know how to have apt-cache show me all packages that match a certain tag such as "devel::lang:c", i checked man page and nothing |
| 21:28.35 | m4st3r-y0d4 | try with --get-selections |
| 21:28.38 | Eulex | zu22, debtags probably |
| 21:28.45 | RickyWh1 | apt-cache search name? |
| 21:28.50 | zu22 | cool |
| 21:29.18 | m4st3r-y0d4 | filter --get-selections with a string (grep) |
| 21:29.24 | abrotman | zu22: debtags |
| 21:29.34 | zu22 | thanks guys |
| 21:29.43 | abrotman | m4st3r-y0d4: /msg dpkg sources.list |
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| 21:32.22 | m4st3r-y0d4 | should I add the "ar" country code?? |
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| 21:32.45 | abrotman | that'd work |
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| 21:33.33 | WanderingKnight | hi there |
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| 21:34.19 | WanderingKnight | i've got a problem when trying to install the nvidia-kernel-common package on debian etch |
| 21:35.39 | abrotman | okay then |
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| 21:36.36 | acu | can anyone help me read and understand what is the meaning done by my cat /proc/bus/usb/devices ? output - I can see the USB HP Webcam there but I do not know how to enable it |
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| 21:38.40 | minus198 | Ehm.. dudes.. "calendar" says that today is first advent.. And it is certainly not.. Is this a bug or something? |
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| 21:40.42 | Inc | Stopping nginx: invoke-rc.d: initscript nginx, action "stop" failed. |
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| 21:40.49 | Nuxis | mhh I got truecrypt now, nice program:-) but now I need to create the file someone has an idea to call a filename of 5Gb without people are going to ask questions about it? |
| 21:40.56 | Inc | E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1) |
| 21:41.04 | Inc | I can't get rid of nginx anyone have any advice? |
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| 21:42.31 | Inc | out of like 900 people not one person knows? |
| 21:42.42 | abrotman | Inc: that's not a lot of detail |
| 21:43.09 | abrotman | Inc: is the server currently started ? |
| 21:43.16 | Nuxis | inc 75% is even not watching this :-) |
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| 21:43.53 | Inc | I'm trying to remove nginx and I get this error http://pastebin.ca/797283 |
| 21:43.58 | Inc | abrotman: I pkilled it |
| 21:44.10 | abrotman | Inc: start it .. then try to remove it |
| 21:44.48 | Nuxis | how can I adjust my time easy (not unix code) in the terminal? |
| 21:45.04 | abrotman | man date |
| 21:45.09 | Nuxis | k tnx |
| 21:45.19 | abrotman | Nuxis: if you want to sync your time .. use ntp |
| 21:45.32 | Nuxis | ow yea can I put the start up letters (when debian boots) smaller? |
| 21:45.43 | Nuxis | yea gonna use ntp I think :-) |
| 21:46.03 | Inc | abrotman: I can't start it |
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| 21:46.20 | abrotman | Inc: why not? |
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| 21:46.29 | eth01 | whats a pretty nasty command to run in SSH? |
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| 21:46.43 | abrotman | eth01: what? |
| 21:47.01 | eth01 | i don't know, that's why i'm asking you ... |
| 21:47.06 | eth01 | seems that my system has been a target. |
| 21:47.07 | m4st3r-y0d4 | I want colors and smaller letters in my bootsplashes... |
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| 21:47.41 | abrotman | eth01: try making sense |
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| 21:48.08 | eth01 | what's the worst command you could run on your system to basically fuck it up. |
| 21:48.14 | petemc | :(){ :|:&};: |
| 21:48.19 | abrotman | that's not that bad |
| 21:48.33 | eth01 | rm -rf / ? |
| 21:48.40 | abrotman | eth01: why are you asking us? |
| 21:48.40 | Aciid | i can run forkbomb |
| 21:48.49 | eth01 | abrotman: just wondered. |
| 21:48.53 | abrotman | eth01: WHY? |
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| 21:48.57 | eth01 | no reason. |
| 21:49.02 | abrotman | eth01: yes .. there's a reason |
| 21:49.15 | Aciid | forkbomb is not workin on a hardened machine |
| 21:49.17 | Aciid | ;) |
| 21:49.24 | eth01 | perl fork fork |
| 21:49.26 | kriebel | I know a guy who chowned a good part of / to himself |
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| 21:49.31 | kriebel | had to re-install |
| 21:49.35 | Aciid | eth01: depends on settings |
| 21:49.40 | abrotman | if you want to discuss how to destroy machines .. go to efnet |
| 21:49.51 | Aciid | were on freenode?!? wtf? |
| 21:49.58 | Aciid | oh yea wrong window |
| 21:50.00 | eth01 | lol |
| 21:50.03 | eth01 | sorry, i mean't ... |
| 21:50.05 | JDahl | is there a network install CD for debian SID, or what is the recommended way to install it? I looked at www.debian.org/CD/netinst, but I cannot see any |
| 21:50.07 | eth01 | fork perl fork |
| 21:50.11 | abrotman | JDahl: no there is not |
| 21:50.15 | abrotman | eth01: stop already |
| 21:50.23 | Aciid | eth01: ill try that one |
| 21:50.38 | streuner | JDahl: /msg dpkg sid faq |
| 21:50.44 | eth01 | sorry, i mean't fork while fork. |
| 21:50.45 | cga | JDahl, use netinst and type expertgui at prompt |
| 21:50.47 | eth01 | damn keyboard. |
| 21:50.55 | Aciid | perl -e "fork while fork" & |
| 21:50.58 | Aciid | in wikipedia |
| 21:50.59 | kriebel | rofl gui |
| 21:51.00 | abrotman | eth01: please go away |
| 21:51.08 | eth01 | abrotman: keep your hair on. |
| 21:51.15 | abrotman | eth01: stop being a tard |
| 21:51.21 | JDahl | cga, I tried that, but it never asked what version to install - just kept installing etch-rc1 |
| 21:51.26 | Aciid | trying now on a 600mhz machine |
| 21:51.27 | cga | i see |
| 21:51.28 | abrotman | eth01: if you want to discuss this .. go somewhere else |
| 21:51.45 | eth01 | ... |
| 21:51.45 | eth01 | no |
| 21:51.46 | eth01 | lol |
| 21:51.46 | Aciid | OH LOL ITS WORKING |
| 21:52.04 | kriebel | JDahl, you can get a nightly or weekly CD and install testing and change when you're done |
| 21:52.11 | Aciid | killall perl |
| 21:52.29 | kriebel | or just install etch, but more things might break over time |
| 21:52.32 | Inc | eh |
| 21:52.38 | JDahl | ok, thanks |
| 21:52.39 | Inc | I still can't get rid of nginx |
| 21:52.42 | Inc | anyone have any advice? |
| 21:52.50 | abrotman | Inc: why doesn't nginx start? |
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| 21:53.02 | eth01 | Inc: updatedb && locate nginx .... apt-get remove nginx .... |
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| 21:53.20 | abrotman | oh goodie |
| 21:53.42 | abrotman | eth01: you're not helping .. at all |
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| 21:54.36 | eth01 | abrotman: ... do you own this channel, i think not. |
| 21:54.49 | abrotman | no .. of course not .. you're still not helping |
| 21:55.30 | abrotman | for what? |
| 21:55.37 | kriebel | dog catcher |
| 21:55.39 | abrotman | how would updatedb or locate help? |
| 21:55.46 | Inc | abrotman: it's a mess http://pastebin.ca/797292 |
| 21:55.48 | cga | it doesn not |
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| 21:55.57 | eth01 | abrotman: ............ |
| 21:55.57 | abrotman | and the complainer already posted the problem with apt-get remove not working |
| 21:56.25 | abrotman | Inc: paste the contents of /var/lib/dpkg/info/nginx.info |
| 21:56.27 | abrotman | erm |
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| 21:56.28 | abrotman | damn it |
| 21:56.33 | abrotman | Inc: paste the contents of /var/lib/dpkg/info/nginx.prermn |
| 21:56.34 | abrotman | Inc: paste the contents of /var/lib/dpkg/info/nginx.prerm |
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| 21:57.29 | Inc | abrotman: http://pastebin.ca/797296 |
| 21:58.14 | abrotman | Inc: put an 'exit 0' at the top of the script |
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| 21:58.38 | abrotman | Inc: then try to apt-get remove nginx |
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| 21:58.52 | jelly-home | s/top/second line/ |
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| 21:59.18 | abrotman | that should be understood? :) |
| 21:59.23 | Inc | http://pastebin.ca/797298 |
| 21:59.38 | jelly-home | abrotman: users here might or might not know about hashbang |
| 22:00.17 | abrotman | oh that's just cute ... |
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| 22:00.34 | abrotman | Inc: do the the same 'exit 0' to the /var/lib/dpkg/info/nginx.postinst |
| 22:00.52 | abrotman | Inc: and make sure it's after the #!/bin/sh |
| 22:00.56 | abrotman | in both files |
| 22:01.06 | jelly-home | quick, someone fire the nginx maintainer ;-) |
| 22:01.13 | abrotman | jelly-home: i'm not sure he's to blame ... |
| 22:01.29 | abrotman | it can't start because the conf file is buggered .. and it can't remove because it can't stop it |
| 22:01.43 | jelly-home | abrotman: not handling failure of invoke-rc.d in postinst? Lame. |
| 22:01.56 | abrotman | jelly-home: i've seen others like that |
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| 22:02.01 | Inc | http://pastebin.ca/797300 |
| 22:02.08 | jelly-home | abrotman: they all suck. ;-) |
| 22:02.22 | abrotman | Inc: paste the nginx.prerm again |
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| 22:02.47 | eth01 | http://pastie.caboo.se/121851 ... heh, nasty. |
| 22:02.51 | abrotman | jelly-home: i thought it'd be policy |
| 22:03.17 | Inc | wait, fixed it! |
| 22:03.19 | abrotman | eth01: stop doing that you fucking idiot |
| 22:03.34 | jelly-home | abrotman: It should not happen on the initial installation... if the user fucks up the config file afterwards and an upgrade triggers the bug, that could maybe be tolerated. |
| 22:03.35 | eth01 | what should i do run it? |
| 22:03.38 | Inc | praise the lorrd |
| 22:03.42 | abrotman | Inc: yay? |
| 22:03.54 | Inc | abrotman: yay :) thanks! |
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| 22:03.59 | abrotman | hehe |
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| 22:04.08 | abrotman | jelly-home: maybe it was a package upgrade .. dunno |
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| 22:04.46 | jelly-home | I can has RC bugs? |
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| 22:05.09 | abrotman | jelly-home: maybe .. |
| 22:05.23 | abrotman | or it was a bailed install and then trying to remove .. who knows |
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| 22:06.58 | acu | i run lenny, why modeprob is not found ? How can I install it ? |
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| 22:07.21 | streuner | modeprobe |
| 22:07.25 | abrotman | modprobe |
| 22:07.26 | jelly-home | acu: modprobe? are you running as root? |
| 22:07.28 | abrotman | and are you root? |
| 22:07.37 | hikenboot | greetings can someone look at these directions http://feraga.com/node/94 and tell me on the grub part if they have specified the wrong partition. It looks to me like it should be root(hd1,1) not root (hd1,0)..thanks, |
| 22:08.14 | streuner | s/modeprobe/modprobe/ |
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| 22:09.58 | abrotman | hikenboot: seems okay |
| 22:10.13 | abrotman | hikenboot: AFAICT .. hd1 is the sda .. hd0 is the hda |
| 22:10.21 | abrotman | hikenboot: i could be wrong though :) |
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| 22:11.01 | fas3r | hello everybody |
| 22:11.05 | smultron | anyone here manually installed debian on the NSLU2? |
| 22:11.11 | fas3r | the bootps protocol is know by iptables ? |
| 22:11.26 | abrotman | smultron: many people have.. dunno if they are here now |
| 22:11.36 | abrotman | !arm |
| 22:11.36 | dpkg | methinks arm is Advanced RISC Machine, a processor architecture, or http://www.debian.org/ports/arm/ or best supported in #debian-arm on irc.oftc.net. Devices supported by the Debian ARM port include the Linksys <NSLU2> and Thecus <N2100>. |
| 22:12.15 | smultron | abrotman: thanks |
| 22:12.27 | abrotman | !nslu2 |
| 22:12.28 | dpkg | from memory, nslu2 is a "Network Storage Link" (NAS) device produced by Linksys, see http://www.tomsnetworking.com/Sections-article85-page3.php, or http://www.cyrius.com/debian/nslu2/ |
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| 22:13.10 | eth01 | !alot |
| 22:13.11 | smultron | yeah, i'm just having some difficulty getting it to boot off the USB HD |
| 22:14.08 | Nuxis | is there any secure pogram to keep my passwords in? |
| 22:14.17 | fas3r | if you prefer i want to attribut ip to BVI interface on my router, i have listen with tcpdump and the problem is : " IP 192.168.2.1 > FRW-fas2: ICMP 192.168.2.1 udp port bootps unreachable, length 556 " it don't know where it need to route it ...if it's possible you help me .. |
| 22:14.27 | abrotman | Nuxis: i think there's something like a password safe .. apt-cache search |
| 22:14.40 | Nuxis | yea I searched under management |
| 22:14.41 | Nuxis | soz |
| 22:15.09 | sping | hello. i'm want to set up encrypted partions inside LVM inside RAID1, future foot entryped as well. can the netinst installer of testing handle that? i get "no root file system" when marking all partitions as RAID. |
| 22:15.36 | fas3r | sping i have test but don't find solution .. |
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| 22:16.13 | fas3r | i have test with autopart and it create /boot partition you need to install lilo or grub on it |
| 22:16.26 | hikenboot | abrotman: so it should be pointed to the boot partition not the one which will be the / partition?/ |
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| 22:17.02 | sping | also in expert mode. any idea where to look for a solution? |
| 22:17.24 | abrotman | hikenboot: i didn't read the whole thing .. but i think you want grub on the MBR of the usb drive? |
| 22:17.39 | sping | fas3r: i need that before/during installation, or did i musunderstand you? |
| 22:18.39 | fas3r | during installation |
| 22:19.22 | hikenboot | I thought the master boot record was at the front of the disk and not in any partition? Ah your saying that by specifying root (hd1,0) your specifying the boot sector and not the first partition? |
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| 22:19.52 | sping | fas3r: so at what step i have to do something special? |
| 22:20.14 | abrotman | hikenboot: AIUI .. you're trying to boot off of a USB device .. so the BIOS will point at your usb drive .. which maybe should have a bootloader so that it can boot linux from the usb drive? |
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| 22:20.40 | SuSi_ | buenas a todos |
| 22:20.45 | SuSi_ | que tal estais? |
| 22:20.47 | abrotman | !es |
| 22:20.47 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
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| 22:22.19 | hikenboot | isnt grub the bootloader? MY issue is I boot from it and I just get a grub> prompt it cant find the menu.lst |
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| 22:22.38 | abrotman | did you encrypt menu.lst ? |
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| 22:23.44 | hikenboot | I encrypted everything exept the /boot directory which is what the directions say to do...so no I dont think it is encrypted its on /dev/sdb1 |
| 22:24.01 | hikenboot | /dev/sdb3 is encrypted |
| 22:24.31 | abrotman | so it would be hd1,0 ? |
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| 22:25.01 | bmsleight | Has sid still got /etc/dpkg/dpkg.cfg - "no-debsig" as default ? |
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| 22:26.46 | hikenboot | thats what I thought at first but it ended up with just the grub> prompt...when booting from the thumb drive geometry(hd0) tells me its the disk i want but when booted into ubuntu to master it it reads as (hd1) would this make a difference |
| 22:27.56 | streuner | !ubuntu |
| 22:27.56 | dpkg | Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu (irc.freenode.net) instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. |
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| 22:28.44 | JonkoPa | How can I put a password on a directory? in a public_html/dir ? |
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| 22:29.49 | abrotman | JonkoPa: man htpasswd .. see #apache for more details |
| 22:29.58 | abrotman | you also need a .htaccess file |
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| 22:33.10 | hikenboot | abrotman: here's a question in the /etc/kernel-img.conf it has a line which specifies do_symlinks=yes if I wanted to use a dos format for this partition all I would have to do would be install with do_symlinks=no so it doesnt try and create the symlinks is that right? |
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| 22:34.09 | abrotman | hikenboot: i'd guess that creates the symlinks in / |
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| 22:34.56 | Baughn | What install image would I need to install to a NFS mount? |
| 22:35.04 | Baughn | (Disklessly, that is) |
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| 22:40.29 | sdubois92 | when i try to install LILO and it says "Running /sbin/lilo failed with error code 1 |
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| 22:41.07 | Baughn | sdubois92: USe -v |
| 22:41.20 | sdubois92 | what do you mean? |
| 22:41.30 | sdubois92 | im installing devian etch from CD |
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| 22:42.03 | clamiax | Does exists nothing like NetBSD sti(8) on GNU/Linux? |
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| 22:42.14 | Baughn | sdubois92: Hm. Try grub? |
| 22:42.21 | Baughn | clamiax: Wouldn't know. What does it /do/? |
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| 22:43.05 | fas3r | someone use aironet 1231 G ? |
| 22:43.23 | clamiax | Baughn: different things. I need to run a command into a specified tty (not the current). Is there a "standard" way or should i write my own "hack"? |
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| 22:43.28 | fas3r | i don't find the ios for wpa 2 if it's possible you help me .. |
| 22:43.39 | clamiax | Baughn: that's one of the things sti(8) do. |
| 22:43.52 | abrotman | clamiax: you want to insert stuff into another tty that someone else controls ? |
| 22:44.02 | Baughn | clamiax: That's a very evil thing to want |
| 22:44.12 | clamiax | abrotman: no, i just have to run a programe somewhere. |
| 22:44.19 | clamiax | Baughn: why? It's normal AFAIK. |
| 22:44.20 | abrotman | clamiax: screen ? |
| 22:44.37 | clamiax | abrotman: nah, nor GNU Screen nor dtach for this stuff. |
| 22:44.39 | abrotman | clamiax: oh .. you want the output to go somewhere ? |
| 22:44.43 | Baughn | clamiax: Printing to a screen you don't own? |
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| 22:44.50 | abrotman | SPAMMER! |
| 22:44.58 | clamiax | abrotman: no, i want to run a program totally into another tty |
| 22:45.10 | abrotman | so login and run it ? |
| 22:45.11 | Baughn | clamiax: Why? |
| 22:45.14 | clamiax | Baughn: no, *run*, not only print |
| 22:45.34 | clamiax | abrotman: no, i can run it into an already opened session |
| 22:45.47 | Tramp | clamiax: there is ovenvt - no idea what it does though I have to admit. |
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| 22:45.50 | clamiax | Baughn: because it's the easyest way to do it |
| 22:45.56 | Baughn | clamiax: To do what? |
| 22:45.56 | Tramp | clamiax: openvt that is. |
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| 22:46.00 | clamiax | Tramp: i'll read about. THX |
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| 22:46.07 | abrotman | clamiax: can you show us a manpage for sti ? |
| 22:46.18 | clamiax | Baughn: okay, i can understand that you are so curious |
| 22:46.50 | clamiax | abrotman: i'm not able to copy'n paste here (no GNU Screen). Read it on http://man.netbsd.org. |
| 22:46.57 | abrotman | that'll work :) |
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| 22:47.04 | Baughn | clamiax: I'm trying to find a less obnoxious way for you to do this. Openvt might work, but it's a nasty hack. |
| 22:47.06 | clamiax | Baughn: i have to run a web browser from my IRC client |
| 22:47.21 | clamiax | Baughn: i don't know it. I'll RTFM |
| 22:47.22 | abrotman | clamiax: OH .. you want to feed a script input ? |
| 22:47.31 | clamiax | abrotman: uhm? |
| 22:47.38 | abrotman | sti -- Simulate Terminal Input: send characters to a tty device |
| 22:47.41 | abrotman | that's what it says |
| 22:47.44 | Baughn | clamiax: Hm. Not a graphical browser? |
| 22:47.46 | satchmo | exit |
| 22:47.49 | CHC | hello |
| 22:47.56 | satchmo | quit |
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| 22:48.10 | clamiax | abrotman: yes but it able to do things like "sty ttyp9 ls^M" or so |
| 22:48.18 | clamiax | Baughn: not X11 at all :-P |
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| 22:48.34 | clamiax | Baughn: on X11 i can easyly run iceweasel. |
| 22:48.35 | abrotman | clamiax: but don't you have to own ttyp9 ? |
| 22:48.42 | clamiax | abrotman: sure |
| 22:48.42 | abrotman | !tell Mickael9 about root |
| 22:48.55 | Baughn | clamiax: I would suggest using screen. It can do this. |
| 22:49.16 | Baughn | clamiax: Or shelling out from your irc client |
| 22:49.17 | abrotman | clamiax: echo "blah" > /dev/pts/<other tty> ? |
| 22:49.22 | clamiax | Baughn: screen is evil. I actually using dtach but doesn't support buffers. |
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| 22:49.42 | abrotman | !tell Mickael9 about root |
| 22:49.43 | clamiax | abrotman: mmh.. does it works? |
| 22:49.49 | Baughn | clamiax: You're writing to other people's terminals and you call /screen/ evil? o_O |
| 22:49.50 | abrotman | clamiax: it seems to .. |
| 22:49.51 | clamiax | abrotman: let me try |
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| 22:50.01 | abrotman | clamiax: i'm still not 100% sure i understand your goal |
| 22:50.21 | clamiax | Baughn: i *cannot* write to other's people terminals. This is unix! |
| 22:50.35 | Baughn | clamiax: You're claiming more than your fair share, anyway |
| 22:50.46 | clamiax | abrotman: oh, my goal is to run w3m from WeeChat. Nothing more, ATM. |
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| 22:50.50 | Baughn | clamiax: Are you actually physically at the terminal in question? |
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| 22:50.57 | abrotman | clamiax: uhm .. okay |
| 22:51.00 | clamiax | Baughn: yes, of course. |
| 22:51.01 | Mickael | wtf, fucking bot :p |
| 22:51.02 | abrotman | mick_home: better .. i think |
| 22:51.06 | edistar | now what was the command again to see how much space is left on a hdd? |
| 22:51.08 | clamiax | Mickael -.- |
| 22:51.13 | abrotman | Mickael: bot? try not IRCing as root .. that's just silly |
| 22:51.17 | clamiax | edistar: try df(1) |
| 22:51.21 | edistar | clamiax: thx |
| 22:51.21 | abrotman | edistar: df -h |
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| 22:51.22 | Mickael | haha |
| 22:51.25 | nibu | hi! |
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| 22:51.26 | Mickael | i'm not ircing as root |
| 22:51.28 | clamiax | edistar: np |
| 22:51.29 | Mickael | my ident is root |
| 22:51.33 | abrotman | --> Mickael9 (i=root@mickael.is-a-geek.org) has joined #debian |
| 22:51.37 | Mickael | yes and ? |
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| 22:51.42 | Mickael | my ident is root |
| 22:51.44 | delroth | identd ? |
| 22:51.44 | Mickael | that's all |
| 22:51.45 | abrotman | that ident can't speak here |
| 22:51.50 | Baughn | clamiax: use openvt, then. |
| 22:52.07 | nibu | some one can say what kernel are in use in debian etch? |
| 22:52.17 | abrotman | 2.6.18-5 |
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| 22:53.02 | nibu | abrotman, this is the kernel that is instaled by default or it's the last updated kernel by repositories? |
| 22:53.04 | clamiax | abrotman: i can't send the ^M sequence with echo :-) |
| 22:53.13 | clamiax | Baughn: mmh.. i'll try it. THX |
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| 22:53.18 | abrotman | nibu: that's the latest security kernel |
| 22:53.32 | abrotman | clamiax: there might be another trick that i don't know |
| 22:53.55 | clamiax | abrotman: but i solved the problem anyway. I'll run enter by hand :) |
| 22:53.58 | abrotman | ok |
| 22:54.03 | clamiax | THX |
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| 22:54.11 | nibu | abrotman, ok! couse I aredy using this kernel and my repository manager are all the time asking me for update to the same kernel... |
| 22:54.16 | clamiax | that prevents me to write the URL by hands anytime. |
| 22:54.28 | clamiax | s/anytime/everytime/ |
| 22:54.39 | clamiax | or something like that :) |
| 22:54.43 | clamiax | Sorry for my english. |
| 22:54.47 | abrotman | clamiax: i'm surprised weechat doesn't have a better way to handle that .. but i don't use it |
| 22:55.05 | clamiax | abrotman: does other clients can do something better? |
| 22:55.21 | abrotman | clamiax: i've only used irssi and xchat |
| 22:55.30 | abrotman | obviously xchat is a GUI irc client |
| 22:55.48 | clamiax | abrotman: i used irssi for a lot of time too. There is no way to do that in console AFAIK. |
| 22:55.55 | abrotman | hrm .. maybe ask #irssi |
| 22:56.08 | clamiax | abrotman: oh, maybe a day :p |
| 22:56.10 | abrotman | not sure how much effort you want to use to figure it out :) |
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| 22:57.58 | Decepticon | im on a headless debian machine, i added some hdds to /etc/fstab, and had an unexpected powerout, i turned the machine back on, the hdds were presumably checked by fsck but i cant ssh (normally before i put the hdds into /etc/fstab i couldve ssh after bootup) , is there some prompt or something thats halting the bootup process? |
| 22:58.52 | abrotman | yes |
| 22:59.02 | abrotman | hook up a monitor and check |
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| 22:59.14 | abrotman | !ops lolzbot |
| 22:59.14 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: abrotman complains about: lolzbot |
| 22:59.15 | lolzbot | TRUNKSNEO omry n_np tabris|away smiler a-atwood_ NandoFx Eustachy_Kapusta Alam_Debian wirefire sping Shadur_ Klowner Hydroxide sandwitch lukas_ Asmooh kloeri Kevin` kanzure biz fengor djace nvz vulture Yvonne Greyhound- unixipher tomaw psyche__ adm neotic cb zicho wils0n_ mortal_ aindilis Xander tenner reZo _aluminium_23_ Fadoski Spyro Tramp edistar |
| 22:59.20 | enouf | !ops spambot |
| 22:59.20 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: enouf complains about: spambot |
| 22:59.29 | abrotman | sure .. now it's gone .. lovely |
| 22:59.29 | enouf | oops, late, sorry |
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| 22:59.48 | dante_2core | ? |
| 22:59.49 | dante_2core | nm |
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| 22:59.57 | abrotman | mentor: thank you |
| 23:00.03 | simonrvn | woot |
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| 23:00.36 | enouf | thanks mentor , but i have a feeling =n alone .. ahh better ;-) |
| 23:00.37 | Decepticon | abrotman what could the prompt be saying and what input does it require from me, all i have is a keyboard, no monitor to see |
| 23:00.38 | mentor | pissing in the ocean. |
| 23:00.59 | abrotman | Decepticon: probably asking you to login and run the fsck manually because it's too messed up to continue |
| 23:01.27 | Decepticon | what shall i do from here |
| 23:01.35 | mzb | you *might* get away with just pressing ctrl+D |
| 23:01.37 | abrotman | hook up the monitor |
| 23:01.43 | Decepticon | press enter enter until i think im at a login prompt? |
| 23:01.45 | enouf | Decepticon: what FSs were involved and were they journalled? |
| 23:01.50 | abrotman | Decepticon: if it didn't continue magically .. it's serious |
| 23:01.56 | Decepticon | they were ext2 |
| 23:02.03 | esaym | lolbotz rofl |
| 23:02.22 | enouf | well, 'hookup monitor' is good advice ;-) |
| 23:02.35 | Decepticon | i wouldve done that if i was able to :( |
| 23:02.46 | simonrvn | esaym: yours i guess |
| 23:02.50 | enouf | Decepticon: next time have a UPS hookeed up |
| 23:03.04 | abrotman | Decepticon: is the machine physically near you? |
| 23:03.09 | Decepticon | abrotman yes |
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| 23:03.20 | abrotman | Decepticon: so take the monitor you're using to talk to us .. and hook it on the broken one |
| 23:03.31 | Decepticon | im sorry, this is a laptop :( |
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| 23:03.35 | abrotman | so? :) |
| 23:03.47 | Decepticon | you want me to rip out my lcd screen? |
| 23:03.50 | Decepticon | heh |
| 23:03.52 | abrotman | Decepticon: time to beg/borrow/steal a monitor |
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| 23:05.03 | Decepticon | well i do have a keyboard here, so should i just type 'y' and press enter and hope something happens |
| 23:05.08 | Decepticon | or ctrl-d like someone said |
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| 23:05.35 | simonrvn | once accessible, would be a good time to edit /etc/default/rcS |
| 23:05.36 | abrotman | or login |
| 23:06.17 | abrotman | Decepticon: it could be telling you to hit ctrl-d .. or login and run fsck manually .. or it didn't even get the kernel uncompressed and it's just sitting there toasted |
| 23:06.25 | abrotman | or it's stuck in the BIOS! |
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| 23:06.51 | zu22 | or mobo failure! |
| 23:07.17 | Decepticon | im pretty sure it got past bios and all that, because i saw my ext hdd blinking lights (it was probably the hdd being fscked) |
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| 23:07.29 | simonrvn | or it's dancing in the street |
| 23:08.16 | Decepticon | hey ... ctrl d did it |
| 23:08.17 | abrotman | Decepticon: ok .. so go find a monitor |
| 23:08.22 | Decepticon | im ssh'd in now |
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| 23:08.36 | jelly-home | simonrvn: dancing in chicago? |
| 23:08.37 | Caemyr | hiya |
| 23:08.48 | abrotman | Decepticon: you'd probably want to force fsck it |
| 23:09.03 | simonrvn | jelly-home: could be new orleans |
| 23:09.04 | Caemyr | i wonder if anyone is in mood of helping me out:) |
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| 23:09.24 | Caemyr | how can i change the partition/drive name index? |
| 23:09.25 | streuner | jelly-home: CSNY - Chicago ;-) |
| 23:09.26 | abrotman | just ask |
| 23:09.47 | streuner | Caemyr: so you want just change volume? |
| 23:09.48 | Caemyr | i mean how are hdaX being assigned to particular partitions |
| 23:09.50 | Caemyr | oh |
| 23:09.59 | Caemyr | its a bloody volume? |
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| 23:10.12 | Caemyr | i have etch with dualboot with XP |
| 23:10.34 | Decepticon | abrotman is ther a log i can check to see what happened with the fscking |
| 23:10.36 | Caemyr | my "smart" brother used partition doctor under XP to "fix some errors" |
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| 23:10.53 | streuner | You arent making much sense, be more -v |
| 23:10.58 | Caemyr | now partitions are rearanged |
| 23:11.03 | simonrvn | try -vvv |
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| 23:12.37 | abrotman | Decepticon: not unless oyu turned it on before hand |
| 23:12.43 | streuner | Caemyr: you want running Debian and windows doesnt boot anymore? |
| 23:12.52 | streuner | Caemyr: or vice versa? |
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| 23:13.07 | Caemyr | its not exactly the boot problem |
| 23:13.15 | Caemyr | i corrected entries in grub |
| 23:13.18 | Caemyr | and in fstab |
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| 23:13.29 | zu22 | Caemyr: what is the problem? |
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| 23:13.35 | zu22 | !problem |
| 23:13.36 | dpkg | hmm... problem is something that can be solved, fixed or worked around if properly described. A good thorough description of the problem, with detailed steps of how to reproduce the problem, the produced output, and the expected output, is the best start to discuss a problem. |
| 23:13.56 | Caemyr | my partitions have been rearranged |
| 23:14.04 | Caemyr | i cant boot etch now |
| 23:14.06 | streuner | Caemyr: why did you do that? |
| 23:14.09 | streuner | well |
| 23:14.25 | Caemyr | not me, some win32 partition fix utility |
| 23:14.35 | streuner | oh |
| 23:14.40 | Caemyr | i used to have root as hda3, now its hda1 |
| 23:14.40 | streuner | partition magic? |
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| 23:14.44 | Caemyr | nope |
| 23:14.54 | Caemyr | PTDD partition table doctor |
| 23:15.22 | Caemyr | i have two ntfs partitions, two ext and a swap |
| 23:15.43 | streuner | best thing would be, just re-install Debian |
| 23:15.55 | Caemyr | this is an easy way:) |
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| 23:16.10 | streuner | it should find windows partition(s) and install Debian on the right partition then |
| 23:16.21 | streuner | sure, we prefer easy ways ;-) |
| 23:16.21 | Caemyr | i just need to change hda1 to hda3 |
| 23:16.31 | Caemyr | swap from hda2 to hda4 |
| 23:16.36 | streuner | man mount, man fstab |
| 23:16.56 | Caemyr | nope |
| 23:16.59 | Caemyr | other way around |
| 23:17.13 | Caemyr | make swap, which is hda2 now, to be hda4 |
| 23:17.15 | Tramp | Caemyr: Partition-Table entries are 16 Byte each, starting at Byte 510-64 in sector0 of the HD. |
| 23:17.33 | jelly-home | Caemyr: what's wrong with keeping them as-is and changing fstab/menu.lst instead? |
| 23:17.36 | Tramp | Caemyr: so by carefully using a hex-editor you may be able to swap them around. |
| 23:17.45 | abrotman | wtf |
| 23:18.08 | jelly-home | Caemyr: you can use eg. sfdisk to recreate the old numbering |
| 23:18.15 | Kevin` | Caemyr use sfdisk's dump option to switch partitions around, much easier then messing with it in binary |
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| 23:18.32 | Caemyr | jelly: because changing just grub and fstab is not enough |
| 23:18.35 | Caemyr | ntfs bitches |
| 23:18.37 | Eulex | and much safer. |
| 23:18.46 | Caemyr | then chkext2 |
| 23:18.52 | Caemyr | or how do you call it |
| 23:19.03 | jelly-home | fsck, but it doesn't care |
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| 23:19.31 | Caemyr | sfdisk? |
| 23:19.39 | Caemyr | thx will try that |
| 23:19.55 | Caemyr | will it work from maintenance? |
| 23:19.58 | jelly-home | I can see windows and their boot loader (entries in boot.ini) being confused over the fs numbering, though |
| 23:21.34 | simonrvn | windows is easily confused... |
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| 23:21.42 | jelly-home | Caemyr: sfdisk -d /dev/hda can dump the partition table as text output. you can rearrange the text and pipe it back to sfdisk /dev/hda |
| 23:23.31 | jelly-home | simonrvn: true dat, after gparted messed up partition alignment on cylinder boundary, my XP home started to BSOD (but only on shutdown) |
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| 23:23.45 | Decepticon | when i run "sudo mount -a" to reinitialize /etc/fstab, i see: "mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/sda1, missing codepage or other error" howeever my hdds are ext2, and listed correctly as ext2 in /etc/fstab |
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| 23:23.51 | Caemyr | thx jelly, will try that |
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| 23:24.30 | Decepticon | i am using "auto,rw,user,nosync" as the options |
| 23:25.21 | jelly-home | Decepticon: pastebin the fstab. where did you find the "nosync" option? It looks suspicious to me, |
| 23:25.32 | \amethyst | Decepticon: shouldn't that be 'async' rather than 'nosync'? |
| 23:25.49 | Decepticon | here is my /etc/fsbat http://pastebin.ca/797397 |
| 23:25.52 | Decepticon | *fstab |
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| 23:27.08 | jelly-home | Decepticon: man mount. read about correct options available for ext2. |
| 23:27.18 | Decepticon | alright |
| 23:27.20 | gan|y|med | hi |
| 23:27.30 | simonrvn | instead of making them up ;) |
| 23:27.41 | Decepticon | heh |
| 23:27.51 | streuner | !nickometer gan|y|med |
| 23:27.52 | dpkg | 'gan|y|med' is 26.000% lame, streuner |
| 23:28.02 | _Alix | !nickometer _Alix |
| 23:28.04 | dpkg | '_Alix' is 14.000% lame, _alix |
| 23:28.06 | jelly-home | Decepticon: hint: just using "defaults" will be good enough for most purposes for ext2 or ext3 |
| 23:28.12 | NiLon | !nickometer NiLon |
| 23:28.13 | dpkg | 'NiLon' is 0.000% lame, nilon |
| 23:28.21 | gan|y|med | as far as i know, the ata drivers use /dev/sda as default device files. how do i set this in the kernel config? |
| 23:28.22 | NiLon | \o/ |
| 23:28.35 | gan|y|med | use auto-completion :) |
| 23:28.39 | Decepticon | where can i find more information about sync vs async? |
| 23:28.48 | abrotman | man mount |
| 23:29.59 | Decepticon | theres only 1 sentence on each of those about synchronous I/O vs asynchronous I/O |
| 23:30.22 | abrotman | what else do you want to know? |
| 23:30.29 | zu22 | !nickometer s@|L()r-/\/\00|\|-D3Su |
| 23:30.30 | dpkg | 's@|L()r-/\/\00|\|-D3Su' is 99.9829% lame, zu22 |
| 23:30.35 | zu22 | beat that :) 99.9829% ! |
| 23:30.39 | abrotman | zu22: it's easy |
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| 23:30.57 | simonrvn | steaming pile of ota |
| 23:31.04 | zu22 | heh |
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| 23:31.32 | fredX | What's the best way to take a tree of source code, configure and build it, and then turn that into a .deb package? |
| 23:31.57 | Caemyr | one more question, as i`m still trying the easier way |
| 23:31.58 | jelly-home | zu22: you actually seen that used? |
| 23:32.01 | abrotman | !mg |
| 23:32.01 | dpkg | A simple packaging walkthrough can be found by (as root) "apt-get install maint-guide" and then (as user) lynx usr/share/doc/maint-guide/maint-guide.en.html/index.html" (or http://www.debian.org/doc/maint-guide/ online). 'Mg' is also the chemical symbol for magnesium, or may mean Madagascar. |
| 23:32.10 | zu22 | jelly-home: yes on an anime board :D |
| 23:32.17 | Caemyr | fsck tries to scan wrong hda |
| 23:32.39 | Caemyr | is there any config file to edit, so i point it to the correct partition? |
| 23:32.48 | fredX | abrotman, No tool like make-kpkg or debuild? |
| 23:32.48 | jelly-home | Caemyr: /etc/fstab |
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| 23:32.55 | Caemyr | thx |
| 23:32.58 | abrotman | fredX: not that easy :) |
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| 23:33.00 | simonrvn | !mg =~ s,usr,/usr,g |
| 23:33.01 | dpkg | OK, simonrvn |
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| 23:33.40 | Caemyr | jelly: my error it was:( |
| 23:33.50 | jelly-home | Caemyr: but you already said you corrected fstab [...] ah, nm |
| 23:33.59 | Caemyr | yeah |
| 23:34.01 | zu22 | fredX: building debian packages is a black art :D |
| 23:34.06 | fredX | Apparently |
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| 23:34.16 | Caemyr | both fstab and ntfs bitched about it |
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| 23:34.21 | Caemyr | anyway, one more thing |
| 23:34.30 | Caemyr | do you recommend switching to ext3? |
| 23:34.40 | Caemyr | etch uses ext2 by default |
| 23:34.42 | zu22 | Caemyr: yes it has journaling |
| 23:35.03 | fredX | ugh |
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| 23:35.06 | Caemyr | why then etch is so conservative about it? compatibility? |
| 23:35.13 | fredX | maint-guide is wrong right from the start |
| 23:35.14 | jelly-home | Caemyr: using ext3 can save you fsck time after a crash |
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| 23:35.45 | acu | when I first install debian lenny - i was prompted for broadcom wireless - now I am not - how can I tell the kernel to search for new hardware - and prompt me again |
| 23:36.20 | jelly-home | Caemyr: for removable devices, it might actually make more sense not to use a journaling filesystem and do regular fscks, dunno. |
| 23:36.22 | streuner | modconf? |
| 23:36.23 | abrotman | acu: bcm43xx ? |
| 23:36.29 | Caemyr | yeah |
| 23:36.35 | Caemyr | lol |
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| 23:36.42 | Caemyr | abrotman: this is another issue:) |
| 23:36.52 | Caemyr | but for another time |
| 23:37.08 | acu | abrotman: yes bcm43xx |
| 23:37.13 | jelly-home | Caemyr: as you can see, etch did not use ext2 for your / fs, but ext3 |
| 23:37.14 | Caemyr | lol |
| 23:37.43 | Caemyr | supergrubdisk shows those partitions as ext2 |
| 23:38.01 | gan|y|med | as far as i know, the ata drivers use /dev/sda as default device files. how do i set this in the kernel config? |
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| 23:38.20 | fredX | yuck, someone needs to seriously update the maint-guide and dh-make |
| 23:38.24 | edistar | acu: bcm43xx works best with ndiswrapper |
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| 23:38.46 | Caemyr | jelly: fstab is now correct but fsck still wants to scan incorrect hda |
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| 23:38.50 | jelly-home | gan|y|med: you can't. What seems to be the problem? |
| 23:38.56 | Caemyr | the one with ntfs instead of ext |
| 23:39.17 | Decepticon | so you guys kinda gave me a wierd look when i told you all of my hdds are ext2, so im willing to change to ext3 to avoid these errors on bad shutdowns, is there an easy way to do this or do i ahve to backup my files and reformat the partitions and then move the files back |
| 23:39.18 | jelly-home | Caemyr: then your fstab isn't really correct |
| 23:39.25 | acu | edistar: I might not be smart enough, I have tried all things I could find - I am using lenny - i am thinking to change the repository to etch and see what happens |
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| 23:40.09 | edistar | acu: I wouldn't do that, it's very hard to downgrade, if not impossible |
| 23:40.10 | gan|y|med | jelly-home: well, i compiled my own kernel and can't load it. i had that before and fixed it. all relevant drivers should be compiled in. but the thing is, even when it works it only used (supposedly) the old ata drivers as my hdd is detected as /dev/hda |
| 23:40.13 | jelly-home | Caemyr: have you used a livecd to access the system or what? |
| 23:40.27 | edistar | acu: I never knew about ndiswrapper and got it running in ca. 2 hours |
| 23:40.41 | edistar | acu: and I'm using lenny |
| 23:40.53 | acu | edistar: power to you! |
| 23:40.58 | artm | hi. i'm trying to register at mentors.debian.net and i get an error about smtp server disconnecting (so i'm not getting confirmation email). something must have crashed... |
| 23:41.23 | edistar | acu: I meant to say that if even I get it running you will too ;) |
| 23:41.24 | acu | edistar: what broadcom card are you using ? --- I am thinking really to go and by a miniPCI compatible with linux |
| 23:41.29 | jelly-home | gan|y|med: if you use the old drivers, it will be seen as hd* and that's it. If you use the new libata based drivers, it will be seen as sd*. No way around it. |
| 23:41.40 | edistar | acu: I am using the built-in... wait a moment ;) |
| 23:41.53 | Tramp | !tell Deception about ext2->ext3 |
| 23:41.53 | acu | do a lspci |
| 23:42.04 | Caemyr | jelly-home: you were right |
| 23:42.11 | Caemyr | changes were not saved |
| 23:42.15 | jelly-home | Caemyr: nss |
| 23:42.16 | acu | edistar: what cpu are you using ? |
| 23:42.26 | edistar | acu: athlon64 |
| 23:42.31 | edistar | acu:02:02.0 Network controller: Broadcom Corporation BCM4306 802.11b/g Wireless LAN Controller (rev 03) |
| 23:42.39 | Caemyr | some minor issues remained but nothing tough |
| 23:42.44 | Caemyr | thanx guys |
| 23:42.52 | jelly-home | Caemyr: remember to update grub config, too |
| 23:42.54 | acu | edistar - OK, I have 1390 blah blah |
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| 23:43.01 | edistar | acu: why is that relevant? |
| 23:43.20 | edistar | acu: it's a laptop, and it was the built-in chip, so I just tried if it worked ;) |
| 23:43.26 | acu | edistar: Broadcom Corporation Dell Wireless 1390 WLAN Mini-PCI Card (rev 02) |
| 23:43.30 | Caemyr | jelly-home: yeah, i did it, both OS boots |
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| 23:44.00 | Caemyr | jelly-home: is the bcm43xx vs etch issue described somewhere? |
| 23:44.01 | edistar | acu: i think ndiswrapper is the easiest way, if you don't mind using non-gpl drivers |
| 23:44.03 | acu | edistar: what bcmwl.inf did you use ? |
| 23:44.31 | jelly-home | Caemyr: I'd suggest changing the large disks to ext3 though. fsck of a 500GB partition could take hours. |
| 23:44.42 | edistar | acu: as I have an asus laptop I downloaded the asus driver and had to extract(tediously! with unshield etc) from the installer the .inf I needed |
| 23:44.44 | gan|y|med | jelly-home: thx. i am just confused with what it is that i need. i knew it for the old drivers... |
| 23:44.44 | Caemyr | sure |
| 23:44.46 | cloakable | Huh? |
| 23:44.50 | acu | edistar: man, I am crushed for time, I would pay someone to make it work - and I am spendind insane amount of time |
| 23:45.11 | cloakable | I've never had problems with the proper broadcom driver |
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| 23:45.30 | cloakable | I do keep a tar of the firmware files, though :) |
| 23:45.53 | abrotman | use bcm43xx-fwcutter |
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| 23:46.05 | cloakable | That needs installing :) |
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| 23:46.15 | cloakable | And access to the driver |
| 23:46.32 | edistar | abrotman: didn't work for me |
| 23:46.43 | jelly-home | gan|y|med: it can be messy. If your bios has a legacy vs. native(or ahci) setting for the ata controller, setting it to native/ahci might make the newer driver work |
| 23:46.44 | abrotman | why not? |
| 23:46.48 | cloakable | My tar, I can keep in my home directory, and extract into /lib/firmware easily :) |
| 23:46.50 | acu | cloakable: what card do you have? abrotman I understand I have to blacklist one of them (so I have to use either the cutter or ndiswrap) - tried both (not smart enough to make it work) |
| 23:46.53 | edistar | abrotman: can't remember |
| 23:47.15 | cloakable | roadcom Corporation BCM4306 802.11b/g Wireless LAN Controller |
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| 23:47.23 | cloakable | Broadcom Corporation BCM4306 802.11b/g Wireless LAN Controller |
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| 23:47.42 | edistar | cloakable: same as me ;) |
| 23:47.45 | abrotman | acu: i don't |
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| 23:48.00 | acu | cloakable: it maybe different than mine Broadcom Corporation Dell Wireless 1390 WLAN Mini-PCI Card (rev 02) |
| 23:48.08 | cloakable | Heh |
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| 23:48.24 | gan|y|med | jelly-home: thx |
| 23:48.26 | edistar | acu: how old is your notebook? |
| 23:48.28 | acu | I am running out of time and patience - does anyone knows some miniPCI with wifi b/g with drivers for linux |
| 23:48.36 | cloakable | edistar: PCI card? Want me to send you the firmare? :P |
| 23:48.36 | acu | edistar - my notebook One week |
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| 23:49.00 | acu | is a Pavilion 9000 (dv9627cl) |
| 23:49.05 | edistar | cloakable: no, builtin chip.. and it works with ndiswrapper, so I'm happy ;) I have the firmware too |
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| 23:49.10 | abrotman | !laptop |
| 23:49.10 | dpkg | i guess laptop is All there is worth knowing about linux and laptops can be found at http://www.linux-laptop.net/ and http://tuxmobil.org/ and also ask me about <acpi> and <suspend>, or see the debian-laptop mailing list at http://lists.debian.org/debian-laptop/ For Thinkpads, ask me about <thinkpad> |
| 23:49.12 | cloakable | Heh |
| 23:49.13 | edistar | acu: ok.. why such an old chip? |
| 23:49.33 | jelly-home | gan|y|med: (this would mean you'd need to change from hd* to sd*, mainly in /etc/fstab and /boot/grub/menu.list, possibly elsewhere, like /etc/smartd.conf) |
| 23:49.35 | cloakable | I'm never happy if i have to use ndiswrapper. |
| 23:49.37 | acu | edistar: HP wanted to make it cheaper I guess - |
| 23:50.05 | acu | I realize that you need to buy 3 years old laptop so it works with linux :) |
| 23:50.11 | Caemyr | so best thing for broadcom is ndiswrapper? |
| 23:50.27 | jelly-home | acu: or a 1 year old thinkpad ;-) |
| 23:50.27 | abrotman | depends |
| 23:50.30 | edistar | Caemyr: can't speak generally, but I know that ndiswrapper works for me |
| 23:50.54 | Caemyr | have the similar model as acu |
| 23:51.07 | acu | Caemyr, is yours working ? |
| 23:51.21 | acu | Caemyr, I mean the broadcom ? |
| 23:51.31 | acu | but about the built in webcam ? |
| 23:51.44 | edistar | acu: haha... webcam too :P |
| 23:52.04 | acu | edistar: that's a luxury - neverthless very frustrating |
| 23:52.08 | gan|y|med | jelly-home: i know, this is what i want to avoid. i used to have two fstabs, but then it gets messy when you wanna do grub-install manually. i found sth on a gentoo forum, explaining which options ot use |
| 23:52.13 | edistar | are the toughbooks fully supported btw? |
| 23:52.49 | jelly-home | gan|y|med: you have multiple OSes? |
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| 23:53.08 | gan|y|med | nope, just desperate :) |
| 23:53.39 | jelly-home | gan|y|med: well then, install a new(er) kernel, go ahci and stick with it |
| 23:53.43 | gan|y|med | and the thread just states the kernel options, so i am doing a make-kpkg right now |
| 23:53.49 | jelly-home | if it works. |
| 23:53.56 | gan|y|med | what is ahci, btw? |
| 23:53.59 | acu | I would have payed $44.99 for someone to solve my this two issues- I know Ubuntu might see everything - but i am stuborn - and I find it pathetic that there are one hundred linux distribution and almost no one try to learn from each other - is almost reinventing the universe from scratch (and too late too) |
| 23:54.22 | jelly-home | gan|y|med: native mode of work for a number of sata controllers |
| 23:54.25 | edistar | acu: debian is much better :) |
| 23:54.41 | acu | edistar: however I am almost dead because of that |
| 23:55.16 | edistar | acu: good luck, there are multiple howtos in the web for broadcom drivers(with and without ndiswrapper) |
| 23:55.39 | acu | edistar: I tried plenty of those (went even to linuxant) |
| 23:55.49 | abrotman | !bcm43xx |
| 23:55.49 | dpkg | bcm43xx is a driver for Broadcom's wireless chipsets (http://bcm43xx.berlios.de/) included in kernels since 2.6.17-rc2, "modprobe bcm43xx" in Etch. Firmware required to be loaded before operation, ask me about <bcm43xx-fwcutter>. Replaced with <b43legacy> in kernels 2.6.24 and later. USB devices are not supported. |
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| 23:57.00 | jelly-home | gan|y|med: depends on your controller, your bios and possibly kernel version whether it'll work or not. If you have an option in BIOS like described above, there are good chances that the ahci driver will work |
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| 23:57.46 | gan|y|med | well, it's pata, but it works with the generic kernel |
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| 23:58.08 | keith80403 | Where are the D-I developers? |
| 23:58.17 | streuner | why? |
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| 23:58.35 | jelly-home | gan|y|med: so use pata and leave the worries for next debian release ;-) |
| 23:58.38 | acu | does anyone knows how to install uvcvideo module ? |
| 23:58.54 | keith80403 | I've finished some CentOS installs (due to my job) and I like D-I sooooo much better that I wanted to tell them. |
| 23:59.10 | keith80403 | So, hats off to the D-I Developers. |
| 23:59.12 | streuner | send Pizza |
| 23:59.30 | jelly-home | keith80403: that would be #debian-boot on irc.debian.org, I guess |
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| 23:59.44 | keith80403 | cat /dev/pizza | /dev/debian/installer/developers |
| 23:59.46 | keith80403 | There. |
| 23:59.53 | gan|y|med | thx for the help |
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