| 00:00.02 | keith80403 | jelly-home, Ok I'll drop by. |
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| 00:00.35 | streuner | just use Debian, it would make them happier |
| 00:00.59 | jelly-home | streuner: you think he just tried the installer, but doesn't use the os? :-) |
| 00:01.13 | streuner | !centos |
| 00:01.13 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, centos is a rebuild of the Red Hat Enterprise Linux RPMs by the community. Check it out at http://www.centos.org/projects/centos, or for IRC support, use #centos |
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| 00:01.30 | Wyzard | I unplugged and replugged my USB mouse, and now I'm not getting click events from the middle button... is there a way I can fix that without restarting X? |
| 00:01.40 | streuner | jelly-home: seems to me so |
| 00:02.06 | streuner | jelly-home: might be wrong |
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| 00:04.50 | jelly-home | tbh the only place I use centos is on test/devel systems for RHEL, easier than having to register and unregister a temporary machine |
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| 00:06.22 | bucky | now that i upgraded to lenny the 2.6.22 kernel/initrd-img can't boot up my SiI 3112 sata controller... is there a factoid for this? |
| 00:06.45 | hikenboot | abrotman! Thanks! I got it working! |
| 00:06.56 | streuner | bucky: /msg dpkg bts? |
| 00:06.58 | abrotman | i helped? |
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| 00:08.40 | abrotman | hikenboot: what did you change? |
| 00:08.45 | dansushi | is anyone here willing to help me install a new kernel on my debian machine? i have 2.6.22-2-486, and i'd like a 686 kernel, but whenever i try to install one with apt-get, i get errors when booting like: cannot mount /boot/ or something like that. Anyway, i was basically wandering which kernel i should download with apt-get |
| 00:08.54 | Wyzard | bucky: I have a box with a 3112 and it works fine in 2.6.22 (in Ubuntu though; I don't have Debian on that box) |
| 00:09.02 | streuner | dansushi: What does 'dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1' say? |
| 00:09.17 | Wyzard | dansushi: That sounds like an initrd problem, not a kernel problem |
| 00:09.19 | dansushi | ii libc6 2.6.1-1+b1 GNU C Library: Shared libraries |
| 00:09.20 | Gul | hi, what could that be, my cron job runs at 0:00 (like instructued), but the date command is one hour late, making some of my cron scripts fail. first day this happens (updates yesterday) |
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| 00:09.40 | Wyzard | dansushi: Assuming you have a 686 or better processor (which you almost certainly do), a -686 kernel should behave identically to a -486 one |
| 00:09.43 | abrotman | dansushi: aptitude install linux-image-686 |
| 00:09.44 | streuner | dansushi: -686 kernels should be in lenny/testing... |
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| 00:09.59 | abrotman | !info libc6 lenny |
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| 00:10.07 | dpkg | libc6: (GNU C Library: Shared libraries), section libs, is required. Version: 2.6.1-1+b1 (lenny), Packaged size: 4302 kB, Installed size: 10452 kB |
| 00:10.27 | tchello | boa noite galera |
| 00:10.32 | dansushi | Wyzard: well, you see, i seem to need a 686 kernel to run a program, so that's why i'd like to install it |
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| 00:10.49 | streuner | dansushi: nah |
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| 00:11.10 | streuner | dansushi: How do you come to this idea? |
| 00:11.45 | jdkycdoc | is it just me or gnome's keyboard preferences dialog is broken on lenny? |
| 00:11.53 | dansushi | i'm installing vmware, and i'm having issues with it installing- it says i need to have a newer kernel |
| 00:11.53 | Wyzard | dansushi: afaik, userspace programs shouldn't know or care whether the kernel is optimized for 486 or 686 |
| 00:12.00 | Wyzard | oh, that's possible |
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| 00:12.12 | Wyzard | since VMware has some kernel modules |
| 00:12.25 | dansushi | yeah |
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| 00:13.03 | dansushi | so, what do you think Wyzard? |
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| 00:14.58 | Wyzard | Installing a 686 kernel is completely appropriate, VMware or not |
| 00:15.22 | Wyzard | and you shouldn't need to do anything special to install one |
| 00:15.24 | streuner | it wouldnt hurd â„¢ |
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| 00:15.35 | dansushi | well, i'm having some issues all the same |
| 00:15.38 | puchu | hi |
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| 00:15.48 | puchu | is there a way to view the update history of my sys? |
| 00:15.51 | Wyzard | Install linux-image-686 like abrotman said -- that's a metapackage which will install the current supported kernel in whichever branch you're running |
| 00:16.10 | streuner | puchu: /var/log/dpkg.log? |
| 00:16.19 | Wyzard | which would be linux-image-2.6.22-3-686 in lenny, I believe |
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| 00:16.22 | puchu | streuner: thanks |
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| 00:16.33 | dansushi | abrotman: and Wyzard what is the difference between linux-image-2.6.21-2-686 and linux-image-686, and why am i installing linux-image-2.6.21-2-686? j/w |
| 00:16.34 | Wyzard | If you have problems installing or booting that kernel, tell us what the error messages are |
| 00:16.38 | moope2 | lo, how do I stop alsa loading on boot? |
| 00:16.44 | Wyzard | hmm, 21-2? |
| 00:16.52 | abrotman | moope2: update-rc.d |
| 00:16.53 | dansushi | er, i mean "why am i installing linux-image-686" |
| 00:17.13 | abrotman | that will stop alsa-utils from doing whatever it does |
| 00:17.17 | dansushi | Wyzard: where whould the errors be loged for that? |
| 00:17.17 | Wyzard | dansushi: linux-image-686 is a basically empty package which depends on linux-image-2.6-686 |
| 00:17.33 | Wyzard | dansushi: linux-image-2.6-686 is a basically empty package which depends on an actual kernel, such as linux-image-2.6.22-3-686 |
| 00:17.50 | dansushi | ok |
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| 00:18.05 | lubos | how come that ubuntu does not have /etc/inittab file? what do they use instead? Or is it just me missing this file? |
| 00:18.07 | Caem|debian | thats more like it |
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| 00:18.11 | Wyzard | dansushi: The metapackages take care of automatically installing new kernels when they become available |
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| 00:18.20 | moope2 | abrotman: is this a permanant stop? update-rc.d alsa-utils stop |
| 00:18.22 | dansushi | ok |
| 00:18.26 | streuner | lubus: ask #ubuntu |
| 00:18.44 | DustyDingo | hi, in xorg.conf i can map physical buttons to logical one. is it possible map two physical buttons to one logical too? |
| 00:18.47 | Wyzard | dansushi: e.g. linux-image-2.6.23-1-686 -- there's no such package in the archive yet, but when there is, linux-image-2.6-686 will be updated to depend on it, so it'll be installed on your system when you upgrade |
| 00:18.58 | dansushi | ok |
| 00:18.59 | dansushi | i see |
| 00:19.10 | Caem|debian | btw, not that i would want to offend anyone, but i dont see why anyone would choose ubuntu over debian oO |
| 00:19.15 | Wyzard | dansushi: Anyway, if your 686 kernel is unable to boot then the messages aren't being logged anywhere, but you can just write them down |
| 00:19.33 | dansushi | ok |
| 00:19.35 | dansushi | i'll do that |
| 00:19.36 | dansushi | thanks |
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| 00:20.27 | ZEA | why does gtk complain about not being able to open a shared object because the file doesn't exist when, in fact, the file does exist and is readable? (file: libpixmap.so) |
| 00:20.59 | CaT[tm] | what error does it give? |
| 00:21.44 | ZEA | CaT[tm]: (npviewer.bin:8495): Gtk-WARNING **: /usr/lib/gtk-2.0/2.4.0/engines/libpixmap.so: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory |
| 00:21.53 | ZEA | CaT[tm]: this repeated several times |
| 00:21.53 | dansushi | Wyzard: when i installed the kernel, it didn't put a choice for it in my grub menu.lst like it normally does. how do i get it to do that? |
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| 00:22.14 | CaT[tm] | zea: and is it in there? |
| 00:22.14 | Wyzard | dansushi: That's done by the update-grub program, which is normally run automatically when you install or remove a kernel |
| 00:22.28 | ZEA | CaT[tm]: yes. it's the weirdest thing |
| 00:22.31 | abrotman | ZEA: ls -l /usr/lib/gtk-2.0/2.4.0/engines/libpixmap.so |
| 00:22.43 | Wyzard | dansushi: unless you've done something to prevent it from running (like disabling it in /etc/kernel-img.conf) or to prevent it from working (like removing the special comments in menu.lst) |
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| 00:22.53 | dansushi | Wyzard: ok, thanks. also, how do i safely clear out my /boot/ of older kernels that i don't use anymore? |
| 00:22.56 | bucky | do i really want to use cpio in yaird? |
| 00:23.03 | Wyzard | dansushi: Uninstall the packages with apt |
| 00:23.05 | bucky | what happend to cramfs? |
| 00:23.13 | dansushi | what would the be named? |
| 00:23.17 | dansushi | *they |
| 00:23.22 | ZEA | just double checked it to make sure I'm not insane. it's owned/grouped by root with perms 644 |
| 00:23.25 | Wyzard | dansushi: linux-image-${version} |
| 00:23.39 | Wyzard | bucky: initrd == cramfs; initramfs == gzipped cpio |
| 00:23.45 | Wyzard | bucky: We use initramfs these days, not initrd |
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| 00:23.58 | abrotman | ZEA: perhaps it is corrupted ? |
| 00:24.00 | Wyzard | bucky: yaird is an initramfs generator |
| 00:24.40 | limpio | dansushi: with synaptic or debfoster |
| 00:25.09 | bucky | so these default config files that came with yaird-0.0.12-24.deb should work? |
| 00:25.27 | Wyzard | bucky: probably, yes |
| 00:25.44 | Wyzard | bucky: Note that mkinitramfs is the default initramfs generator, not yaird |
| 00:26.41 | bucky | unfortunately initramfs-tools don't work for me |
| 00:26.47 | ZEA | hm |
| 00:26.50 | Wyzard | What doesn't work about it? |
| 00:26.53 | ZEA | abrotman: I think I found the problem |
| 00:26.59 | abrotman | you did? |
| 00:27.15 | ZEA | npviewer.bin is a 32-bit elf executable while libpixmap.so is a 64-bit shared object |
| 00:27.42 | wiebel | Can anyone tell me how to install an opentype font (*.otf)? |
| 00:27.43 | Wyzard | ZEA: 32-bit libpixmap.so is in ia32-libs |
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| 00:28.37 | ZEA | Wyzard: indeed, how do I tell npviewer.bin to go fetch that one instead of the 64-bit version? |
| 00:28.43 | ZEA | I have ia32-libs installed |
| 00:28.48 | bucky | the kernel can't find my SiI 3112 sata controller on boot up and when i made the initrd-img i used the -k option and looked to make sure sata_sil and friends were in there |
| 00:29.45 | Wyzard | bucky: If sata_sil is in your initramfs, then the problem probably isn't with the initramfs |
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| 00:30.10 | mandrigal | i have a small problem, i discovered what driver i need for me soundcard, but i cannot locate it |
| 00:30.29 | abrotman | and that driver is? |
| 00:30.59 | mandrigal | snd-hda-intel |
| 00:31.08 | Wyzard | ZEA: not sure offhand... I don't have any 32-bit software on my system (except a few commercial games that include all their own libraries) so I can't check |
| 00:31.28 | Wyzard | mandrigal: That's a module that's part of the standard kernel packages |
| 00:31.34 | bucky | well cramfs is built right into the kernel just like ever since forever |
| 00:31.50 | mandrigal | so i should already have it? |
| 00:31.54 | Wyzard | mandrigal: Assuming you're using a Debian packaged kernel, it's already on your system; "modprobe snd-hda-intel" will load it |
| 00:32.10 | Wyzard | mandrigal: but if you have hardware that supports it, it should be loaded automatically at boot time by udev's hardware detection |
| 00:32.16 | mandrigal | i'm running etch stock kernel |
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| 00:32.33 | Wyzard | mandrigal: etch's 2.6.18 version of that driver doesn't support some newer nVidia sound chips though |
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| 00:33.21 | calamari | hi |
| 00:33.30 | agent | pm-utils (pm-suspend) is auto-resuming right after suspend, according to the log file. How do I stop it from auto-resuming? |
| 00:33.55 | calamari | I currently have woody installed. can I go straight to etch, or do I need to upgrade to some intermediate versions first? |
| 00:34.06 | mandrigal | bash: modprobe: command not found |
| 00:34.17 | Wyzard | calamari: skipping releases isn't supported... upgrade to sarge first, then to etch |
| 00:34.25 | Wyzard | mandrigal: You need to be root |
| 00:34.26 | calamari | Wyzard: okay thanks |
| 00:34.37 | mandrigal | ah |
| 00:34.52 | Wyzard | mandrigal: What type of soundcard do you have? |
| 00:35.06 | mandrigal | nVidia Corporation MCP61 High Definition Audio (rev a2) |
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| 00:35.18 | Wyzard | mandrigal: That's one of the ones that's not supported by 2.6.18 |
| 00:35.23 | Wyzard | mandrigal: You'll need a newer kernel |
| 00:35.56 | mandrigal | :( |
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| 00:38.56 | mandrigal | anyway i can tell what kernel supports my sound? |
| 00:40.17 | Wyzard | lenny's kernel does |
| 00:40.43 | abrotman | !bpo |
| 00:40.43 | dpkg | [backports.org] an unofficial repository of backports for the current stable distribution, prepared by Debian developers. Read http://backports.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=instructions ask me about <backports>. A sample line for your sources.list is: deb http://www.backports.org/debian etch-backports main contrib non-free. Once you've added that line, aptitude update && aptitude install debian-backports-keyring && aptitude update |
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| 00:46.05 | Caem|debian | have you seen it? http://www.engadget.com/2007/10/24/elcomsoft-turns-your-pc-into-a-password-cracking-supercomputer/1 |
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| 00:52.19 | Claudio32m | well i ordered unix network programming this weekend |
| 00:52.22 | Claudio32m | will get it in a few days |
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| 00:56.23 | fujin_ | Hello. Anyone know where I can find some information on http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=448699 ? |
| 00:56.27 | fujin_ | bug #448699 |
| 00:56.47 | fujin_ | looking for a person called Stephen Gran |
| 00:56.49 | dondelelcaro | fujin_: that's where you can find the information about it |
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| 00:58.03 | Wyzard | fujin_: His email address is in that bug report |
| 00:58.42 | dondelelcaro | plus, there's really no reason to e-mail him, because the bug report is pretty comprehensive. If there's a specific question you have about it, try asking here. |
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| 01:00.07 | fujin_ | When will it be fixed? |
| 01:00.14 | fujin_ | I don't believe I could get anymore specific. |
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| 01:00.29 | fujin_ | It's holding up our RADIUS platform migration |
| 01:01.46 | dondelelcaro | fujin_: it'll most likely be fixed when the next upload of free radius is done. That said, there's a patch there that purports to work which you could fix your local copy with in the interim. |
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| 01:03.02 | sdubois92 | I installed madwifi, and when i run modprobe ath_pci ti says module not found |
| 01:03.07 | spanther | !ipw3945 |
| 01:03.07 | dpkg | If you're running a recent version of Debian (etch or greater), do the following: add <contrib> and <non-free> entries in your sources.list, "aptitude update; aptitude install ipw3945-modules-$(uname -r) firmware-ipw3945 ipw3945d". |
| 01:03.32 | sdubois92 | spanther: was that for me? |
| 01:03.39 | abrotman | no it wasn't |
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| 01:03.47 | tecky | I just installed Lenny ... how do i go from the vanilla kern to a smp kernel .... (not sure why it didn't enable smp in the first place) |
| 01:03.48 | abrotman | sdubois92: how did you install it ? |
| 01:03.55 | abrotman | tecky: they are SMP |
| 01:03.58 | spanther | sdubois92: nope hehe :-) |
| 01:04.13 | sdubois92 | aptitude install madwifi-source |
| 01:04.19 | abrotman | m-a a-i madwifi |
| 01:04.23 | spanther | sdubois92: that is for Intel Wireless 3945ABG Centrino chipset hehe |
| 01:04.26 | tecky | Abrotman its not showing as smp ... however the cpu is smp (Hyper threading) cap. |
| 01:04.33 | sdubois92 | abrotman: i did that |
| 01:04.42 | sdubois92 | im following the macbook guide on the Debian wiki |
| 01:04.56 | abrotman | okay .. did it actually compile ? |
| 01:04.59 | Caem|debian | would you recommend using latest ndiswrapper sources or those from debian package? |
| 01:05.02 | mandrigal | how doi update my alsa stuffs? |
| 01:05.04 | abrotman | tecky: HT is not really SMP |
| 01:05.05 | abrotman | !ht |
| 01:05.06 | dpkg | i guess ht is Haiti. HyperThreading, a technology from intel included in processors from the P4 3.05 GHz, that emulates two processors in a single cpu machine You must enable CONFIG_ACPI_HT, CONFIG_SMP and CONFIG_CPU_LOBOTOMY in your kernel to use it.. Or install a -2.6-686-smp kernel |
| 01:05.14 | sdubois92 | abrotman: i believe so |
| 01:05.20 | abrotman | sdubois92: double check? |
| 01:05.26 | sdubois92 | how? |
| 01:05.28 | tecky | hmmmmmmmmmmmm |
| 01:05.36 | abrotman | tecky: and from what i've seen previously .. it's really not worth it to use SMP with the HT cpus |
| 01:05.47 | tecky | how do i grab a 2.6-686 ? |
| 01:05.49 | tecky | oh its not ? |
| 01:06.00 | tecky | from a performance standpoint ? |
| 01:07.44 | abrotman | tecky: uname -a .. what does it say ? |
| 01:07.56 | abrotman | tecky: aptitude install linux-image-2.6-686 |
| 01:09.43 | tecky | Linux Storm 2.6.22-2-686 #1 SMP Fri Aug 31 00:24:01 UTC 2007 i686 GNU/Linux |
| 01:09.47 | tecky | well ... shit |
| 01:10.03 | tecky | how come its only showing 1 cpu in top? |
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| 01:10.41 | Wyzard | tecky: top says "Cpu(s)" because it only shows one line regardless of how many you have |
| 01:10.55 | Wyzard | tecky: htop shows a separate line for each though, and is much nicer than top all around |
| 01:11.03 | tecky | ahh ... |
| 01:11.05 | tecky | alright |
| 01:11.26 | tuvwx | how can i make growisofs (on-the-fly burn with genisoimage options) show burn speed? |
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| 01:11.42 | tecky | Wyzard, ty! |
| 01:11.59 | tecky | i'm really liking this Dell SX 260 I got for free :D |
| 01:12.04 | Wyzard | tecky: /proc/cpuinfo is another way to see how many CPUs you have -- it shows an entry for each |
| 01:12.25 | sauvin | Can anybody help me get a /dev/snd/seq going? |
| 01:12.27 | fujin_ | dondelelcaro: I don't like the warnings he's supplied, about a single instance of rlm_sql / rlm_sqlippool etc. |
| 01:12.30 | sdubois92 | abrotman: i repeated the entire process of installing madwifi and when i run modprobe ath_pci it still is not found |
| 01:12.34 | fujin_ | Just wondered if I could get some action on it |
| 01:12.42 | jelly-home | Wyzard: try pressing 1 and I in top. |
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| 01:12.46 | fujin_ | is it Freeradius specific? I got the idea it was a Debian problem. |
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| 01:13.02 | Wyzard | jelly-home: hmm, that's useful to know |
| 01:13.10 | Wyzard | jelly-home: htop is still nicer though :-) |
| 01:13.38 | tuvwx | tecky, i want a laptop for free too |
| 01:13.47 | jelly-home | Wyzard: no, how to rtfm the online help is useful to know (h or ?) |
| 01:14.06 | jelly-home | Wyzard: yeah, but it's not there by default |
| 01:14.19 | abrotman | Wyzard: atop! |
| 01:14.40 | jelly-home | abrotman: atop requires kernel patches for full functionality |
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| 01:15.08 | abrotman | jelly-home: seems to show more than enough to me :) |
| 01:15.25 | TrueDD | Good night all |
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| 01:15.44 | jelly-home | abrotman: but the really interesting stuff is only there with atopcnt in the kernel |
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| 01:16.29 | abrotman | still way more info than most need |
| 01:16.29 | jelly-home | "find the process that grinds on the disk" |
| 01:17.10 | Wyzard | I do that with "echo 1 > /proc/sys/vm/block_count" (and then set it back to zero after a few seconds) and look in syslog |
| 01:17.14 | Wyzard | Not very elegant, but it works |
| 01:17.18 | jelly-home | Wyzard: indeed. |
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| 01:17.31 | jelly-home | it's fucking ugly. |
| 01:19.13 | jelly-home | Wyzard: and it's also unuseful when most of the blocks are read or written by kernel threads ;-) |
| 01:19.30 | Wyzard | true |
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| 01:21.04 | spanther | hi there with gnome its easy to connect wireless lan after installing and running module ipw3945 but how do i connect and administrate connections with passwords at KDE ? |
| 01:21.37 | spanther | somebody maybe knows how to connect with KDE after starting the wireless module ? |
| 01:21.44 | sdubois92 | how do i tell what kernel i have? |
| 01:21.52 | Wyzard | sdubois92: uname -r |
| 01:22.26 | Wyzard | or, more broadly, uname -a |
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| 01:23.20 | spanther | hello? :( |
| 01:24.01 | Wyzard | spanther: What do you use in GNOME for connecting to a wireless network? |
| 01:24.08 | Wyzard | spanther: If it's NetworkManager, that has a KDE frontend too |
| 01:24.21 | Wyzard | spanther: If it isn't NetworkManager, you should consider using NetworkManager :-) |
| 01:24.24 | spanther | Wyzard: i rightclick at the network cable connector icon what gets a red X when i unplug the network cable |
| 01:24.47 | Wyzard | OK, so the built-in network applet thing |
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| 01:24.52 | Wyzard | I've never used that |
| 01:24.59 | spanther | then i choose the "occuring" wireless network beyond the title wireless networks and give in my password |
| 01:25.05 | spanther | i did hehe :-) |
| 01:25.13 | Wyzard | NetworkManager is better |
| 01:25.44 | spanther | but at KDE i dont know how to do that cant see a network icon at KDE right down side only for power/battery then klipper and kOrganizer |
| 01:25.54 | spanther | no network icon :-( |
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| 01:26.32 | Wyzard | Well, all the wireless applet in GNOME does is configure /etc/network/interfaces, afaik |
| 01:26.41 | Wyzard | You can just edit that file manually if you need to |
| 01:26.50 | spanther | oh my god noo lol |
| 01:26.55 | Wyzard | but it'd be better to install network-manager (and network-manager-kde for its UI) |
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| 01:26.59 | spanther | that will beat the easiness :) |
| 01:27.22 | Wyzard | and then remove the interface from /etc/network/interfaces (because NetworkManager ignores interfaces that have entries there) |
| 01:27.26 | spanther | uh doesnt KDE include network-manager on the fly after installing kde inside of debian? |
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| 01:27.34 | Wyzard | Not that I know of |
| 01:27.36 | Wyzard | Neither does GNOME |
| 01:27.42 | spanther | mmmmh okay :/ |
| 01:27.59 | spanther | just empty the interfaces file then? |
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| 01:28.33 | Wyzard | NetworkManager isn't appropriate for all systems -- it's meant for laptops and desktops that are configured by DHCP and don't have any special networking setup needed |
| 01:28.38 | abrotman | sdubois92: are you on etch or lenny/sid? |
| 01:28.40 | Wyzard | rather than servers or routers |
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| 01:28.46 | Wyzard | You still need the loopback interface ("lo") in the interfaces file |
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| 01:29.00 | Wyzard | but eth*, wlan*, whatever you want to be configured by NetworkManager, should be removed |
| 01:29.02 | spanther | Wyzard: okay :-) youre a great help ^-^ |
| 01:29.23 | spanther | Wyzard: there is only auto lo and beyond that is iface lo inet loopback |
| 01:29.30 | Wyzard | That's fine |
| 01:29.42 | spanther | so i can let it how it is without changes? |
| 01:30.25 | spanther | i didnt made any entry its the standard file |
| 01:30.32 | Wyzard | though if there was no entry for eth0 or whatever, I'm surprised -- I thought GNOME's network applet was for adding entries to that file |
| 01:30.51 | spanther | nope it isnt uh it was through DHCP ever never made any entry |
| 01:31.14 | Wyzard | Interfaces using DHCP have entries there too |
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| 01:31.25 | Wyzard | "iface eth0 inet dhcp", for example |
| 01:31.27 | spanther | no gnome doesnt make an entry with that network icon i use :-) it just was connection per session and used kwallet to store the master password and the wireless lan code |
| 01:31.52 | Wyzard | oh, so it was just a one-time thing that you'd have to re-do each time |
| 01:31.58 | spanther | like i said only two entries there "auto lo" and "iface lo inet loopback" |
| 01:32.28 | spanther | Wyzard: right :-) but it saves it inside the gnome session so the kwallet asks for the master password and auto connects again |
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| 01:32.48 | sdubois92 | abrotman: im on Etch |
| 01:33.04 | abrotman | sdubois92: dpkg -l madwifi* .. see anything ? |
| 01:33.21 | spanther | Wyzard: "auto lo" "iface lo inet loopback" what do i have to delete from them? |
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| 01:33.36 | Wyzard | spanther: Don't change those two lines at all -- you need those, as I said earlier |
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| 01:33.45 | sdubois92 | abrotman: yes, should i paste bin? |
| 01:33.52 | spanther | mh kay :-) |
| 01:34.01 | anomaly | anyone have success with getting broadcom 4318 working? it asks about configuring it on install, but seems ndiswrapper is needed all the same. |
| 01:34.03 | abrotman | sdubois92: does one look like "madwifi-modules-2.6.18-5-686" ? |
| 01:34.23 | Wyzard | sdubois92: I was just surprised that you don't already have something like "iface eth0 inet dhcp", because I thought the GNOME thing would have added one |
| 01:34.28 | Wyzard | oops, spanther ^^^ |
| 01:34.37 | spanther | Wyzard: what? Oo |
| 01:34.39 | Wyzard | spanther: If you did have a line like that, you'd need to remove it |
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| 01:34.52 | sdubois92 | abrotman: i'll pastebin |
| 01:34.53 | spanther | Wyzard: which line.. |
| 01:35.08 | user__ | Anyone know of good file recovery software for linux? |
| 01:35.17 | user__ | NTFS... |
| 01:35.22 | Wyzard | spanther: The line for eth0 would need to be removed if you had one |
| 01:35.36 | spanther | Wyzard: no i dont have any like these :-) |
| 01:35.41 | spanther | Wyzard: do you want screenshot ? *g* |
| 01:35.50 | sdubois92 | abrotman: http://pastebin.com/m27bea898 |
| 01:35.50 | Wyzard | spanther: I understand that |
| 01:36.28 | abrotman | sdubois92: m-a a-i madwifi .. see what it does .. or if it errors |
| 01:36.33 | spanther | Wyzard: it says network-manager is still the newest version O.o |
| 01:37.05 | sdubois92 | abrotman: it did some updates |
| 01:37.17 | sdubois92 | now should i do modprobe? |
| 01:37.17 | Wyzard | spanther: How about network-manager-gnome and network-manager-kde? |
| 01:37.22 | abrotman | sdubois92: is it asking you to install a package? |
| 01:37.27 | spanther | Wyzard: wait :-) |
| 01:37.36 | sdubois92 | it did, i chose yes |
| 01:37.54 | spanther | Wyzard: uh these two werent installed :-) |
| 01:38.01 | spanther | installed both now hehe |
| 01:38.14 | abrotman | sdubois92: dpkg -l madwifi* .. are there more that are 'ii' now ? |
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| 01:38.43 | spanther | Wyzard: where can i find this network manager gui thingy lol |
| 01:38.59 | Wyzard | spanther: If you're in KDE, run network-manager-kde now, or log out and back in |
| 01:39.01 | sdubois92 | abrotman: theres one |
| 01:39.09 | abrotman | same one as last time ? |
| 01:39.13 | spanther | Wyzard: how to run that |
| 01:39.18 | Wyzard | spanther: (I *think* it automatically adds itself to your session) |
| 01:39.19 | spanther | aaah i see wait |
| 01:39.20 | sdubois92 | abrotman: yes |
| 01:39.28 | spanther | Wyzard: brb :-) |
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| 01:39.52 | abrotman | sdubois92: can you paste the output of the m-a a-i madwifi ? |
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| 01:41.15 | sdubois92 | abrotman: http://pastebin.com/m748927ee |
| 01:42.00 | abrotman | sdubois92: aptitude install madwifi-tools |
| 01:42.37 | sdubois92 | abrotman: no candidate version found |
| 01:42.56 | abrotman | sdubois92: do you ahve contrib and non-free sources? |
| 01:43.18 | sdubois92 | just non-free |
| 01:43.21 | sdubois92 | ill ad contrib |
| 01:43.47 | abrotman | good plan |
| 01:43.54 | abrotman | then try the m-a a-i madwifi again |
| 01:44.03 | sdubois92 | should i pastebin? |
| 01:44.37 | abrotman | only if it doesn't work |
| 01:44.37 | sauvin | Can anybody help me get a /dev/snd/seq going? |
| 01:45.35 | sdubois92 | abrotman: http://pastebin.com/m5d856bdb |
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| 01:46.12 | abrotman | sdubois92: did you run aptitude update after adding contrib sources ? |
| 01:46.47 | sdubois92 | ah |
| 01:46.52 | sdubois92 | nope :) |
| 01:46.55 | sdubois92 | now i did |
| 01:47.06 | sdubois92 | and i rain m-a a-i |
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| 01:47.56 | sdubois92 | now modprobe ath_pci? or depmod -a |
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| 01:48.50 | abrotman | it should have done depmod -a already ... |
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| 01:48.54 | abrotman | you can do it again .. |
| 01:49.04 | abrotman | but then modprobe ath_pci or whatever it is |
| 01:50.10 | sdubois92 | anything after that? |
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| 01:52.18 | abrotman | sdubois92: did it error ? |
| 01:52.38 | sdubois92 | abrotman: nope |
| 01:53.31 | abrotman | okay .. so what's the problem? |
| 01:53.51 | sdubois92 | nothing |
| 01:53.52 | sdubois92 | it works |
| 01:53.53 | sdubois92 | thanks |
| 01:54.11 | sdubois92 | your in here a lot helping people, do you havea real job? |
| 01:54.13 | sdubois92 | haha |
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| 01:54.49 | abrotman | sdubois92: yes .. i do .. but it's sunday evening here |
| 01:55.01 | abrotman | sdubois92: shouldn't you be watching the Pats ? |
| 01:55.39 | sdubois92 | abrotman: nah, i got more important stuff to do. like get debian woring on my macbook |
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| 01:55.44 | abrotman | oh ok |
| 01:55.57 | abrotman | sauvin: did you do snd-pcm-oss ? |
| 01:56.13 | sauvin | An lsmod produces that somewhere, I thought. |
| 01:56.20 | sauvin | but I have no /dev/snd/seq |
| 01:56.28 | sdubois92 | abrotman: haha, im looking at your picture with the umbrella hat |
| 01:56.35 | abrotman | sdubois92: yes .. thank you damog |
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| 02:00.32 | abrotman | sauvin: i have that device ... |
| 02:00.33 | sdubois92 | abrotman: i like your idea of having debconf in the US |
| 02:00.38 | abrotman | my idea ? |
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| 02:01.05 | abrotman | sauvin: snd-mixer-oss ? |
| 02:01.28 | sdubois92 | abrotman: Support DebConf6's abrotman petition! |
| 02:01.30 | abrotman | sauvin: snd_seq and snd_seq_device ? |
| 02:01.32 | abrotman | sdubois92: oh |
| 02:01.33 | sauvin | I don't have those commands. |
| 02:01.38 | abrotman | sauvin: they are modules |
| 02:01.57 | sauvin | Where would they be found? |
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| 02:02.48 | abrotman | sauvin: you would just modprobe them |
| 02:03.09 | abrotman | or you could try modconf |
| 02:03.13 | sdubois92 | abrotman: it would be fun to have a small hackfest/conference for debian in the US |
| 02:03.42 | abrotman | sdubois92: it would .. but i think a lot of DDs here are fairly spread out |
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| 02:04.02 | sauvin | Oh! |
| 02:04.38 | sauvin | Once having done those modprobes (which modprobed without complaint (or any other output, for that matter)), the changes made will persist across reboots? |
| 02:04.51 | sdubois92 | abrotman: well, i'd show up if it was close enough |
| 02:04.52 | sdubois92 | haha |
| 02:05.00 | sauvin | Because you JUST put an seq in my /dev/snd. |
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| 02:05.16 | abrotman | sdubois92: you have a fair amount of DDs in your area .. and they give lectures, etc. |
| 02:05.56 | abrotman | sdubois92: though .. i don't know how close to boston you actually are |
| 02:06.08 | sdubois92 | about an hour. but im only 15 |
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| 02:06.13 | abrotman | sauvin: .. i did ? |
| 02:06.22 | abrotman | sdubois92: you're west towards worcester ? |
| 02:06.23 | sauvin | Yup. |
| 02:06.32 | abrotman | sauvin: i didn't do it :) |
| 02:06.35 | sauvin | These modules, will they again be loaded on next reboot? |
| 02:06.43 | abrotman | sauvin: put those modules in /etc/modules |
| 02:06.51 | sdubois92 | abrotman: southeast of worcester. im in New Bedford |
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| 02:07.01 | abrotman | oh .. i have family in MA |
| 02:07.09 | wiebel | where is mimencode nowadays? |
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| 02:07.41 | abrotman | !find mimencode etch |
| 02:07.48 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'mimencode' (2): (/usr/bin/mimencode) in mail/metamail ;; (/usr/lib/exmh/mimencode.tcl) in mail/exmh. |
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| 02:08.14 | sdubois92 | abrotman: well, maybe someday debconf will come to the northeast |
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| 02:08.30 | wiebel | thx abrotman |
| 02:08.52 | abrotman | i doubt it ... |
| 02:09.18 | sauvin | Why are some of these modules snd-mixer-oss and others snd_seq_device (underscores rather than dashes)? |
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| 02:09.56 | abrotman | sauvin: uhm .. someone had a broken shift key? :) |
| 02:09.56 | Wyzard | sauvin: Hyphens and underscores are interchangeable in module names |
| 02:10.08 | abrotman | Wyzard: way to ruin it! |
| 02:10.33 | Wyzard | sauvin: Try loading snd_mixer_oss or snd-seq-device |
| 02:11.01 | sauvin | Did that, gots my seq. |
| 02:11.03 | Torgo | I just installed Woody on an old machine. When it does apt configuration to get updates, i get "E: Dynamic MMap ran out of room" etc. Seems like it's trying to get latest stable packages. I have over 110MB of free disk left, and swap doesn't seem to fill during the process. Ideas? |
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| 02:11.26 | Torgo | Abrotman! Hey. I got Debian mostly working on this old laptop... the ThinkPad 750P. |
| 02:11.30 | Torgo | Thanks to your help. |
| 02:11.34 | sauvin | I put all of those modules just mentioned in /etc/modules. Would it interfere with anything if something else also (tries to) load some of these modules? |
| 02:11.37 | Wyzard | !tell torgo about dynamic mmap |
| 02:11.56 | abrotman | Torgo: mostly? |
| 02:12.03 | struct | any news on glibc? |
| 02:12.09 | Wyzard | Torgo: It's apparently caused by having apt know about too many available packages |
| 02:12.31 | Torgo | yeah... the apt configuration and attempt to install the rest of the base packages. |
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| 02:14.33 | Torgo | So what runs out of room? Swap? Memory? Disk? |
| 02:17.05 | Torgo | abrotman, wyzard, Well what are my options? |
| 02:17.27 | Torgo | anyone? bueller? |
| 02:18.24 | abrotman | Torgo: eh what? |
| 02:18.27 | abrotman | what's the broken part? |
| 02:18.29 | abrotman | !mmap |
| 02:18.29 | dpkg | Getting "E: Dynamic MMap ran out of room" when using apt-get? Put the following line into your /etc/apt/apt.conf: 'APT::Cache-Limit 12582912;' . If you still get the same error, increase the value. If that file doesn't exist, add it, or put that line in a file in /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/ You can also possibly get rid of this error by deleting entries from your sources.list that you don't actually need. |
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| 02:18.42 | Torgo | abrotman: heh the Dynamic MMap issue. |
| 02:18.52 | Torgo | like dpkg mentioned. trying... |
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| 02:20.00 | Wyzard | Torgo: The fact that it's fixed by increasing a "cache-limit" suggests that it's not really running out of something like actual RAM or disk space, but rather an internal limit that apt puts on itself |
| 02:20.34 | Torgo | dpkg: thanks... and I'm not sure if anything is fixed. How do I get the apt configuration prompts to run again? |
| 02:20.34 | dpkg | bitte, Torgo |
| 02:21.02 | abrotman | Torgo: dpkg is a bot ... |
| 02:21.08 | Torgo | hahahaa |
| 02:21.56 | Torgo | You're serious. OK. Feeling a bit stupid now. |
| 02:22.14 | Torgo | What do I run to get the spiffy prompted apt configuration program? |
| 02:22.36 | bucky | Torgo, you got your /etc/apt/sources.list pointing to http://archive.debian.org/Debian-3.0/ |
| 02:22.47 | Torgo | checking... |
| 02:23.05 | Torgo | hmm. it's blank. |
| 02:23.10 | bucky | hmmm... |
| 02:23.15 | Torgo | but I found apt-setup |
| 02:23.18 | abrotman | Torgo: you have nothing in /etc/apt/sources.list ? |
| 02:23.28 | sauvin | And now rosegarden is complaining about not being able to find a high resolution something... |
| 02:23.43 | abrotman | timer ? |
| 02:23.47 | Torgo | Right. This is after using the boot floppies and doing a kernel install. It was about to install the rest of the base packages, but it's somewhat useable. |
| 02:23.58 | sauvin | Yea, timer. |
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| 02:24.19 | abrotman | Torgo: so it's totally empty? |
| 02:24.20 | Torgo | Should I "enter information manually" for apt? I think I will. |
| 02:24.25 | abrotman | yes |
| 02:24.26 | flustered | I have been using ritek dvd-r 8X without problem, but I get an incompatible media error on ritek dvd-r 16X, is this usually a firmware error? |
| 02:25.13 | abrotman | Torgo: you source would be "deb http://archive.debian.org/debian-archive/ woody main contrib non-free |
| 02:25.16 | abrotman | " |
| 02:25.25 | Torgo | Nope. It's looking for (whatever server I enter)/(whatever dir I enter)/dsts/stable/main/binary-i386/Packages |
| 02:26.19 | Torgo | abrotman: yes. /etc/apt/sources.list is empty... length 0. |
| 02:26.21 | flustered | Sorry for having to repeat :( I have been using ritek dvd-r 8X without problem, but I get an incompatible media error on ritek dvd-r 16X, is this usually a firmware error? |
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| 02:26.29 | abrotman | Torgo: you source would be "deb http://archive.debian.org/debian-archive/ woody main contrib non-free" ... put that line in there |
| 02:26.46 | Torgo | so I should not use apt-setup? |
| 02:27.58 | Torgo | apt-setup runs after the first boot of a new install. |
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| 02:28.32 | abrotman | Torgo: apt-setup doesn't know about the archives |
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| 02:29.25 | Torgo | OK. then.... do I need apt-setup, or should I skip it and move on to tasksel, now that I have the sources.list (thanks!) or just try to do an update? |
| 02:29.55 | abrotman | run apt-get update .. make sure it works |
| 02:30.23 | Torgo | abrotman: it got the Packages file and is processing. (crosses fingers) |
| 02:30.36 | bucky | 36M is a crap load of ram back in the day |
| 02:30.42 | Torgo | hahahaaa |
| 02:30.48 | abrotman | bucky: it's a crap load now .. if you have a 2.4 kernel still .. and no X :) |
| 02:30.59 | bucky | true |
| 02:31.07 | Torgo | but... I DO want X, and to configure the PEN! |
| 02:31.13 | abrotman | i have etch running on a machine with 36MB .. and it works okay .. except aptitude forever to run |
| 02:31.19 | abrotman | the PEN? |
| 02:31.28 | Torgo | 640x480 with 16 glorious shades of gray. |
| 02:31.28 | abrotman | maybe he's from pittsburgh ... |
| 02:31.33 | bucky | i install hamm on about 1.5 M |
| 02:31.38 | abrotman | Torgo: lspci | grep VGA |
| 02:31.40 | Torgo | yeah, it's a convertible tablet with a screaming 486. |
| 02:31.46 | Torgo | PCI?!? |
| 02:32.02 | Torgo | "Cannot open /proc/bus/pci" |
| 02:32.06 | abrotman | oh shit .. that's right |
| 02:32.22 | Torgo | apt-get update finished. |
| 02:32.27 | bucky | hahaha |
| 02:32.51 | abrotman | well .. i'm sure it'll be the vesa driver anyways :) |
| 02:32.55 | Torgo | the video chip is... get this... WD90C24. Not supported in latest X.org. |
| 02:33.08 | abrotman | hehe .. western digital video! |
| 02:33.13 | Torgo | VESA is not built-in to the BIOS. It had to have a DOS TSR for vesa. :) |
| 02:33.21 | abrotman | oh jesus price |
| 02:33.34 | Torgo | last time I tried, I got 320x200 pixels, with one bit per pixel. |
| 02:33.53 | Torgo | (maybe 320x240) |
| 02:33.59 | Torgo | nononononooo |
| 02:34.26 | Torgo | I do have a TFT color screen I can swap out if I want to give up the pen. 256 colors at the same time! |
| 02:34.32 | abrotman | swap out? |
| 02:34.50 | Torgo | well, take apart the machine, remove this top half, swap in the other one. |
| 02:35.23 | abrotman | oh |
| 02:35.30 | bucky | i think RMS uses a ThinkPad 750P... he boots it up with boot: vmlinuz root=/usr/bin/emacs |
| 02:35.39 | abrotman | heh |
| 02:35.55 | abrotman | bucky: you know that's not true .. emacs would never work in 36MB |
| 02:36.05 | Torgo | Sitting at a prompt, it looks like there's plenty of RAM. And only 81MB of disk used so far. |
| 02:36.16 | bucky | ah.. should have known |
| 02:36.19 | Torgo | heheh |
| 02:36.31 | bucky | woot! |
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| 02:36.56 | bucky | Torgo, ifconfig... got network? |
| 02:37.10 | Torgo | Yeah I have network! I had to install over the network. |
| 02:37.19 | bucky | apt-get install irssi and log in |
| 02:37.24 | Torgo | Tasksel doesn't find any tasks. |
| 02:37.39 | Torgo | installing |
| 02:38.06 | Torgo | "Package irssi has no available version, but exists in the database." etc etc etc |
| 02:38.15 | abrotman | bucky: yes he has network .. he has a 10Base2 network in his house! |
| 02:38.22 | bucky | omg |
| 02:38.25 | abrotman | hehe |
| 02:38.51 | Torgo | come on. I have a16-bit 100BT NIC. It's sweet. And this is just for fun, you know. I use a T60 fo work. |
| 02:39.08 | abrotman | Torgo: also add "deb http://security.debian.org/ woody/updates main contrib non-free" to your sources.list file |
| 02:39.13 | bucky | Torgo, bitchx ? |
| 02:39.14 | Torgo | it's a long way from this 486 to the T60's 2.0GHz dual core. |
| 02:39.28 | wiebel | Can anyone tell me how to install an opentype font (*.otf)? |
| 02:39.32 | abrotman | i can't believe security.d.o still has woody updates |
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| 02:39.52 | bucky | isnt' it great... woody was a good one |
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| 02:40.15 | Torgo | retrying the irsse install |
| 02:40.24 | abrotman | Torgo: don't forget to apt-get update after adding tha tline |
| 02:41.01 | Torgo | no go... "no available version, but exists..." "Couldn't stat source package list" "You may want to un apt-get update ..." "no installation candidate" |
| 02:41.03 | bucky | and see you in the morning |
| 02:41.05 | Torgo | haha |
| 02:41.27 | wiebel | btw is are there any general suggestions which of the repository variants to use? I mean stable <> etch wise. |
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| 02:41.35 | abrotman | Torgo: couldn't what ? |
| 02:41.58 | abrotman | Torgo: you did the apt-get update .. right ? |
| 02:42.12 | Torgo | "failed to fetch http://security.debian.org/dists/woody/main/binary-i386/Packages 404 not found" |
| 02:42.21 | Torgo | during that apt-get update |
| 02:42.26 | abrotman | http://security.debian.org/dists/woody/updates/main/binary-i386/ |
| 02:42.28 | abrotman | hrm ... |
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| 02:42.46 | abrotman | it's right there |
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| 02:43.02 | Torgo | changed to .org/debian/archive/ |
| 02:43.02 | abrotman | Torgo: you forgot part of the line |
| 02:43.09 | Torgo | seems to be ddoing more.... butstil failes. |
| 02:43.16 | abrotman | Torgo: also add "deb http://security.debian.org/ woody/updates main contrib non-free" to your sources.list file |
| 02:43.22 | abrotman | see how it says "woody/updates" ? |
| 02:43.30 | bucky | deb http://security.debian.org/ woody/updates main |
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| 02:43.48 | Torgo | thanks, abrotman, for your patience. trying again. |
| 02:43.57 | Torgo | MUCH better. |
| 02:44.05 | abrotman | Torgo: now you should be able to install irssi |
| 02:44.15 | Torgo | hehehe.... well not quite NOW. |
| 02:44.30 | bucky | !beer Torgo |
| 02:45.00 | Torgo | danke |
| 02:45.09 | abrotman | bucky: and comeon .. what is the last release of debian that didn't include a bitchx with a security issue? :) |
| 02:45.19 | Torgo | attempting install of irssi |
| 02:45.24 | bucky | no clue |
| 02:45.34 | abrotman | hell .. when was the last year bitchx didn't have one :) |
| 02:45.49 | Torgo | abrotman, bucky: same thing. no installation candidate for irssi. |
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| 02:46.07 | abrotman | Torgo: apt-cache search irssi |
| 02:46.12 | abrotman | it might have been irssi-text then |
| 02:46.24 | bucky | aha! |
| 02:46.29 | bucky | apt-cache search irssi |
| 02:46.36 | abrotman | i said that |
| 02:46.40 | bucky | oh |
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| 02:47.04 | Torgo | man this is slower than yum :) |
| 02:47.18 | Torgo | downloading... |
| 02:47.21 | abrotman | Torgo: be aware anything you install is very likely to have security issues |
| 02:47.23 | bucky | Torgo, install fedora on that |
| 02:47.39 | Torgo | Fedora requires a pentium, bucky, or I would. |
| 02:47.51 | bucky | rh 7.2 ? |
| 02:47.58 | abrotman | if you went to sarge .. you'd at least have security for another 4-5 months |
| 02:48.12 | Torgo | unpacking... |
| 02:48.19 | Torgo | setting up... done. |
| 02:48.27 | Torgo | now what? |
| 02:48.50 | bucky | as user irssi -c irc.freenode.net |
| 02:48.51 | abrotman | did you install it ? |
| 02:49.16 | abrotman | the binary might be irssi-text :) |
| 02:49.22 | Caem|debian | night |
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| 02:49.37 | bucky | bwahahaha |
| 02:49.40 | chris__ | Well here I am from the 750P. |
| 02:49.45 | abrotman | EEP! |
| 02:49.54 | Torgo | still no swap used. |
| 02:50.17 | abrotman | oh jeez .. he's probably on the the bf24 kernel .. ick |
| 02:50.23 | chris__ | "Join to #debian was synced in 18 secs" !! |
| 02:50.25 | abrotman | oh wait .. 2.2 ? |
| 02:50.31 | chris__ | 2.2.20, iirc |
| 02:50.43 | chris__ | yep |
| 02:50.47 | abrotman | chris__: you might want to check for security updates .. (apt-get update && apt-get upgrade .. go to bed) |
| 02:51.04 | abrotman | or maybe just --download-only and do it later |
| 02:51.17 | abrotman | and woody does have a 2.4 kernel available IIRC |
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| 02:52.00 | Torgo | so it is mostly working. I can tell irssi is trying to use colored text. Can't fit nearly as many characters as on the 22" LCD I'm using on this machine, though. |
| 02:52.04 | abrotman | chris__: there is a 2.4.18 availalbe |
| 02:52.16 | Torgo | abrotman: thanks. |
| 02:52.37 | Torgo | I'm not sure if I should work on this more, or make a backup, call it a day, and try for Xubuntu. |
| 02:52.50 | abrotman | Torgo: i seriously doubt xubuntu would work |
| 02:53.06 | Torgo | So little faith? |
| 02:53.06 | bucky | fvwm |
| 02:53.16 | Torgo | I've got a 5GB disk. |
| 02:53.17 | bucky | maybe blackbox |
| 02:53.48 | abrotman | i'd use blackbox myself |
| 02:53.59 | abrotman | that was before they split out the bbkeys stuff IIRC |
| 02:54.16 | bucky | he's prolly got enough ram for that |
| 02:54.39 | abrotman | he must have moved the mouse ... crashed irssi |
| 02:54.54 | Torgo | OK folks. I'm off to try the update/upgrade. hahahaa no I quit. Don'twant to use all my RAM. |
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| 02:55.23 | abrotman | Torgo: how many MB of updates does it want ? |
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| 02:56.19 | Torgo | updates didn't get any. |
| 02:56.22 | Torgo | upgrade.... |
| 02:56.32 | Torgo | 652kB |
| 02:56.44 | bucky | woo hoo! |
| 02:56.47 | abrotman | that's it?! |
| 02:56.52 | abrotman | god .. software so small then |
| 02:56.58 | abrotman | :) |
| 02:57.06 | bucky | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:57.40 | abrotman | Torgo: dpkg -l kernel-image* on the laptop |
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| 02:59.51 | dwu | An abrotman! I see you. |
| 02:59.56 | abrotman | ACK! |
| 03:00.03 | abrotman | oh crap .. he left! |
| 03:00.04 | dwu | He's gone! |
| 03:00.09 | dwu | Hey, no damog. Win. |
| 03:00.13 | dwu | *cough* |
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| 03:00.30 | dwu | ... ew |
| 03:00.33 | abrotman | hehe |
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| 03:02.15 | Daveman | :) |
| 03:02.22 | abrotman | hi daveman! |
| 03:02.27 | Daveman | Hope you enjoyed the holidays, abrotman :) |
| 03:02.39 | abrotman | see .. when i said that .. i had this image of the looney guy in Sixth Sense |
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| 03:02.55 | Torgo | afk |
| 03:02.58 | abrotman | Daveman: yeah .. driving around PA .. |
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| 03:03.05 | Daveman | oy |
| 03:03.14 | Daveman | Did you find it pleasant? :P |
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| 03:03.45 | I_Died_Once | yo i have a quick question |
| 03:03.56 | abrotman | Daveman: eh ... |
| 03:04.19 | I_Died_Once | i'm updating software with adept, and the terminal needs me to acknowledge and hit OK |
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| 03:04.40 | I_Died_Once | problem is, i cannot get my "cursors's" focus to thej terminal so i can scroll down and hit ok |
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| 03:05.06 | I_Died_Once | how do i hit the OK inside the adept? |
| 03:05.07 | abrotman | I_Died_Once: alt-tab ? |
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| 03:05.14 | abrotman | gthen hit tab to get to the button ? |
| 03:05.32 | I_Died_Once | abrotman: that scrolls between different windows |
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| 03:08.07 | I_Died_Once | any other ideas ??? |
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| 03:09.17 | dwu | Use the arrow keys? |
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| 03:09.26 | DawnLight | use aptitude |
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| 03:16.38 | Ryan52 | How do you tell if you have registered(buffered) ram in software? |
| 03:16.46 | abrotman | !whats my hardware |
| 03:16.47 | dpkg | You can use lspci, lsusb, lsscsi, lspcmcia, lshal, hwinfo, dmidecode, and/or lshw to find out what kind of hardware your machine might have, or or you could crack the lid and look inside ... oooh, shiny! |
| 03:16.59 | Ryan52 | thank you |
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| 03:17.19 | qiyong | how to do X windows remote login? |
| 03:17.48 | abrotman | !remote x |
| 03:17.49 | dpkg | it has been said that remote x is on the X server do, "xhost +<IP or Hostname of machine running the clients>", on the remote machine do "export DISPLAY=<Host|IP of server>:0.0" where 0.0 is the display.screen. Run the app. Ask me about sshx for more security and ease. |
| 03:19.00 | qiyong | abrotman i want a remote desktop, not bare X |
| 03:19.14 | abrotman | oh .. like vnc ? |
| 03:19.23 | qiyong | i want remote desktop, like via gdm |
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| 03:20.51 | troythetechguy | I recently installed debian, and signed up for the security mailing list. How do I know if I have a package on my system that is reported to have a security issue? Does the locate<package_name> do this? |
| 03:21.51 | vicantre_ | hi guys.... just a little question: is this the same channel #debian than you could connect through OFTC? |
| 03:22.31 | dwu | No, it isn't, because it's not on the same network. Surprisingly enough. |
| 03:22.32 | abrotman | troythetechguy: if you sign up .. you'll get the email .. you just `aptitude update ; aptitude upgrade` |
| 03:22.43 | vicantre_ | rite :P |
| 03:23.26 | vicantre_ | what it is surprising is the fact that this channel has over 500 more people than the 'official' channel |
| 03:23.41 | abrotman | neither is official |
| 03:24.20 | dwu | vicantre_: You need to sort out the duplicates, etc. |
| 03:24.25 | vicantre_ | well... that's what debian.org says.... I know there is no official IRC channel, but just following the guidelines they provide you |
| 03:24.32 | troythetechguy | abrotman, Thanks. So if I understand, I don't need to worry about the specific package, as long as I run update, upgrade when I receive the e-mail? I assume when the e-mail is sent there is already a fix in the repositories? |
| 03:24.33 | dwu | Go write a small shell script to do that. *nod* |
| 03:24.59 | abrotman | troythetechguy: you would read them ... sometimes they are for 3/7 architectures with the other four following the next day .. etc |
| 03:25.07 | abrotman | but there should always be an email about it |
| 03:25.21 | abrotman | troythetechguy: there's also an RSS feed |
| 03:25.36 | DawnLight | can anyone recommend a NES emulator? |
| 03:25.52 | abrotman | DawnLight: apt-cache search ? |
| 03:25.55 | dwu | \o/ |
| 03:25.57 | abrotman | i think it's zsnes |
| 03:26.17 | dwu | nestra, mednafen... etc. |
| 03:26.21 | DawnLight | there's fceu |
| 03:26.35 | dwu | DawnLight: Good for you. Go try it/them. |
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| 03:28.20 | auto359 | i want to make a tar within a Debian server but untar the tar in a winxp system, will i need to make a .zip on the server or is there a win32 tool to untar? |
| 03:28.37 | dwu | auto359: There are some win32utils that will work with tarballs. |
| 03:28.43 | DawnLight | auto359: 7zip is good |
| 03:28.48 | auto359 | dwu: thanks |
| 03:28.49 | dwu | auto359: winrar does, in fact (I think), and there are some others. |
| 03:28.54 | auto359 | dwu: thanks |
| 03:29.06 | auto359 | DawnLight: thanks, gah |
| 03:29.18 | vicantre_ | thanks anyway for the ideas ;) I'll check that 'nick thing' tomorrow.... see ya! |
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| 03:33.22 | abrotman | !qotd0 |
| 03:33.22 | dpkg | * Guerin/#debian goes to pick his wife up from kindy |
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| 03:37.51 | tuvwx | are the kernel patches needed by atop to show per process network and disk usage being considered for inclusion upstream or not? |
| 03:39.19 | abrotman | jelly-home says yes! |
| 03:39.36 | abrotman | oh wait |
| 03:39.42 | abrotman | dunno .. ask ##kernel |
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| 03:40.05 | tuvwx | abrotman, what did he say 'yes' to then? |
| 03:40.15 | abrotman | nothing .. ignore me .. i'm mostly crazy |
| 03:40.24 | abrotman | you should know that |
| 03:40.48 | tuvwx | abrotman, are you afraid of legal obligations?! |
| 03:41.04 | abrotman | no way! .. i sign legal stuff all the time! |
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| 03:43.47 | sikkle | is there a way to COPY every directory listed in one directory to another directory ? |
| 03:43.51 | lindenle | anyone know what exp is in octave |
| 03:43.55 | abrotman | sikkle: man cp |
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| 03:44.33 | fujin_ | sikkle: cp -a |
| 03:44.36 | fujin_ | or rsync |
| 03:44.40 | fujin_ | I prefer rsync for big ass copies |
| 03:44.41 | nvz | well I think this one new sd card is like fubar somehow |
| 03:44.44 | hardcampa | abrotman I always imagine people go like: oh ok: man cp /dir1 /dir2 when people write man to them. |
| 03:44.52 | nvz | I can't get it to retain data for shit |
| 03:45.04 | abrotman | nvz: too much pot |
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| 03:46.37 | nvz | I got 4 sd cards here |
| 03:46.48 | nvz | I just put data on one of the other ones |
| 03:47.14 | nvz | this one I tried repartitioning, reformatting.. I put data on and its not there |
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| 03:47.18 | nvz | gives io errors sometimes |
| 03:47.38 | nvz | will copy like 3 files then io error when I try cp the 4th |
| 03:47.59 | Nyle | hi |
| 03:48.07 | nvz | itd pny flash I think |
| 03:48.28 | nvz | my grandmother bought 3, 1g cards in a pack |
| 03:48.38 | nvz | I traded her two for one of my two gig ones |
| 03:48.53 | Nyle | grandmother? |
| 03:48.54 | nvz | one works and it seems the other doesn't now for some reason |
| 03:49.09 | nvz | Nyle: yep you know my father's mother |
| 03:49.19 | Nyle | wow |
| 03:49.31 | Nyle | my grandma can't even speak english |
| 03:49.39 | Nyle | let alone use a p[uter |
| 03:49.48 | abrotman | he doesn't know anything useful ... |
| 03:49.48 | Nyle | or buy flash memoru |
| 03:49.49 | Nyle | lol |
| 03:49.50 | nvz | well she's always been hip to the times |
| 03:50.04 | Nyle | sounds like it |
| 03:50.05 | nvz | had the first color tv on the block.. |
| 03:50.17 | abrotman | she stole it! |
| 03:50.20 | Nyle | thats a cool grandma |
| 03:50.32 | nvz | shes about to switch to all lcd/plasma now |
| 03:50.41 | nvz | she got a 22" lcd on her puter |
| 03:50.48 | Nyle | damn |
| 03:51.02 | nvz | and like a 7" on the kitchen table with dvd/player, sd card reader, and game inputs |
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| 03:51.19 | nvz | said its time to replace the tvs now :P |
| 03:51.22 | Nyle | i have not been to pakistan in 11 years |
| 03:51.23 | nvz | she got more crap than I do |
| 03:51.32 | Nyle | haven't seen my family or grandparents |
| 03:51.43 | Nyle | my grandma buys me lots of stuff |
| 03:51.47 | nvz | Nyle: heard from them lately? |
| 03:51.50 | Nyle | mostly clothes |
| 03:51.53 | Nyle | yeh |
| 03:51.59 | Nyle | few months ago i called e |
| 03:52.00 | Nyle | e, |
| 03:52.02 | Nyle | em |
| 03:52.22 | nvz | well at least she knows how to use a phone |
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| 03:52.35 | nvz | the english doesn't matter so much if you understand her |
| 03:52.36 | Nyle | well yeh |
| 03:52.37 | Nyle | jej |
| 03:52.49 | Nyle | she is prettu well educated |
| 03:52.53 | Nyle | just not in english |
| 03:53.14 | dwu | *cough* i18n? |
| 03:53.26 | Nyle | she has a phd in philosiphy and political science from amritsar uni |
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| 03:53.31 | Nyle | pretty cool stuff |
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| 03:54.25 | Nyle | anyway bye |
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| 03:55.02 | bucky | kinda like that Ben Jabituya guy in Short Circuit |
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| 03:55.12 | nvz | heh |
| 03:55.19 | nvz | I'm johnny 5 |
| 03:55.31 | nvz | I've been meaning to watch that movie |
| 03:55.37 | nvz | never got around to it yet |
| 03:55.46 | abrotman | only been 20 years |
| 03:55.54 | nvz | gotta find a copy somewhere first |
| 03:56.07 | abrotman | you live on the internet .. wtf |
| 03:56.12 | bucky | "We are the type of people who have everything in our favor going against us." |
| 03:56.24 | nvz | I live on earth |
| 03:56.35 | nvz | I just have computers on the internet all the time |
| 03:57.29 | nvz | my next project is hacking some software with a web interface that does kinda what pricewatch does but more sleek and does retail or wholesale |
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| 03:57.55 | nvz | so I can get price qoutes and estimates on full assembled things from the PocketPC |
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| 03:58.16 | dwu | nvz: Ever going to get around to doing this stuff instead of talking about it on IRC? |
| 03:58.33 | nvz | I can get to pricewatch, amazon, bestbuy, and compusa on the pockeypc |
| 03:58.52 | nvz | ebay, circuitcity..etc all don't seem to work on there |
| 03:59.04 | nvz | oh I've been working on it for a long time |
| 03:59.13 | nvz | just need to change it to work better on a mobile |
| 03:59.23 | nvz | smaller web interface, cleaner results |
| 03:59.35 | dwu | Go do that *nod* |
| 03:59.46 | nvz | not tonight |
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| 04:00.05 | nvz | I got real work to do in the morning sleep is next on the agenda tonight |
| 04:00.14 | dwu | Thought so. All talk, no action *nod* |
| 04:00.18 | nvz | heh |
| 04:00.28 | nvz | thats a side project |
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| 04:00.34 | fujin_ | more butts |
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| 04:00.41 | nvz | I can still use goog411 and call the stores works for now |
| 04:00.48 | ebil | I am trying to install mythtv on etch, and I get X working just fine with the nvidia drivers, when I go to do apt-get build-dep mythtv though, it completely trashes my xorg installation, I only get the following error when I try to start X |
| 04:00.57 | ebil | (EE) Failed to load module "nvidia" (module does not exist, 0) |
| 04:01.30 | ebil | I tried to reinstall the nvidia driver, that didn't do anything, so I tried to reinstall the nvidia-glx driver, all that did was completely REMOVE my xorg installation |
| 04:01.38 | ebil | (i.e. startx doesn't even exist anymore) |
| 04:01.44 | fujin_ | pwnt |
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| 04:02.42 | ebil | very constructive comment fujin_ |
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| 04:03.11 | fujin_ | ya |
| 04:03.13 | fujin_ | no problem guy |
| 04:04.06 | abrotman | ebil: so reinstall xorg .. then reinstall nvidia ? |
| 04:04.42 | ebil | abrotman, yeah, it looks like it's a very specific order to things, but why would nvidia remove the xorg packages that mythtv installed? |
| 04:04.52 | ebil | Ooo. I bet they are from a different repository... |
| 04:05.24 | abrotman | yes |
| 04:05.48 | ebil | abrotman: is build-dep necessary in most cases? |
| 04:05.58 | abrotman | dunno .. i don't use mythtv |
| 04:06.00 | abrotman | !myth |
| 04:06.02 | abrotman | !mythtv |
| 04:06.02 | dpkg | mythtv is, like, software to turn a Linux box into a complete multi-media entertainment recording and playback center supporting, given the right hardware, TV, movies, music, and more. http://www.mythtv.org. Not in Debian due to non-free parts. Unofficial packages can be found in <debian-multimedia>. For tuner card drivers, see <bttv> and <ivtv> |
| 04:06.21 | ebil | (I'm going by a VERY bad howto, on the topic and trying to rewrite it) |
| 04:06.51 | abrotman | so use the debian-multimedia packages |
| 04:07.22 | ebil | yeah, they don't play well with the nvidia packages (and don't provide their own) I think I'll figure it out though, thanks! |
| 04:07.49 | abrotman | ebil: uhm .. do you need nvidia drivers for 2d video ? |
| 04:08.05 | ebil | I need the xv overlay stuff |
| 04:08.10 | abrotman | oh |
| 04:08.14 | ebil | yeah, :( sucktastic |
| 04:08.30 | ebil | hahaha |
| 04:08.40 | ebil | I ALSO need tv out is the BIG thing |
| 04:08.53 | abrotman | use the signal converter thingie ? |
| 04:09.16 | ebil | yeah, $50 for a el-cheapo nvidia card was less hassle (I think... LOL) |
| 04:09.17 | abrotman | scan inverter? |
| 04:09.33 | abrotman | buy a tv with vga in? :) |
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| 04:10.06 | ebil | abrotman, haha, I wish I had the money to get a new tv... :) |
| 04:10.19 | ebil | This is also so I can make my own howto for my friend |
| 04:10.21 | abrotman | see .. i provide solutions! |
| 04:10.47 | ebil | yes, yes you do |
| 04:12.07 | abrotman | ebil: the debian-multimedia site should have mythtv pacakges that should work with etch |
| 04:12.33 | dwu | That's a lot of shoulds in that statement ;) |
| 04:12.37 | ebil | yeah, they do, but when I run apt-get build-dep mythtv it overwrites my xorg install |
| 04:12.55 | ebil | and then nvidia trashes it to hell the rest of the way |
| 04:13.16 | ebil | (by removing it) so I think I'm going to just leave out the build-dep step... see what happens |
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| 04:14.50 | abrotman | ebil: so don't compile it ? |
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| 04:15.42 | ebil | abrl |
| 04:15.51 | ebil | abrotman, oh, ok, that works LOL |
| 04:18.12 | ebil | like I said, I was just following the howto |
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| 04:21.26 | zika2000 | Hi guys I need help installing oroborus ? |
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| 04:26.36 | Decepticon | how do i select multiple dirs to copy from location A to location B in mc? |
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| 04:32.30 | ebil | abrotman, looks like that fixed my issue, I just left out the build-dep command and it seems to have worked... |
| 04:32.42 | abrotman | yes! |
| 04:33.02 | ebil | (I think that debian-multimedia messed with their deps and whatnot, because following the guide before worked pretty well) |
| 04:33.17 | ebil | and the moment of truth... |
| 04:33.44 | ebil | hot shit. it works :) |
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| 04:39.42 | |amen| | i'm installed vlc by apt-get vlc, i did apt-cache vlc and get packs list, but synaptic say me vlc is not installed! what's wrong?! |
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| 04:42.48 | arnnn | is the temperature of c2d E6850 on 100% cpu usage = the temperature of c2d E6550 overclocked to 3.0 ghz on 100% cpu usage ? |
| 04:43.12 | arnnn | fyi I already asked #hardware but nobody seems to know the answer |
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| 04:49.17 | pigsfly | is there a way for me to run smbd and nmbd under the same process? so that when they process gets killed smbd and nmbd gets killed too? |
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| 04:51.25 | tequiero_ | hi |
| 04:51.27 | Nyle | gu |
| 04:51.34 | tequiero_ | hello plz i need help |
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| 04:52.07 | Nyle | !tell tequiero_ -about ask |
| 04:52.44 | tequiero_ | i need help with ati radeon x1300 drivers for linux. |
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| 04:53.30 | cTATUK | What's the command to bring up the resolution selection dialog? |
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| 04:53.35 | tequiero_ | i want to run beryl but free-driver not support x1300 |
| 04:54.12 | cTATUK | So install non-free driver? |
| 04:54.25 | tequiero_ | uhmm oficial driver ? |
| 04:54.33 | tequiero_ | mmm.. this driver run in fglrx |
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| 04:56.08 | tequiero_ | nono |
| 04:56.16 | DeZ_666 | Hello, I just attempted to install crosshurd..and now my debian system gives me an error when i try to log in :( i am missing loads of libraries now |
| 04:56.22 | tequiero_ | beryl cant run in fglrx |
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| 04:57.48 | tequiero_ | uhmm mierda nadie habla espaniol porfavor ? |
| 04:58.13 | eldend7 | que pajo |
| 04:58.28 | tequiero_ | ah hola |
| 04:58.34 | tequiero_ | tengo un problema |
| 04:58.47 | tequiero_ | con el instalador del debian tu me puedes ayudar ? |
| 04:58.53 | tequiero_ | digo instalador del ati driver |
| 04:59.01 | tequiero_ | en debian/etch stable |
| 04:59.02 | eldend7 | haber dime |
| 04:59.16 | tequiero_ | uhmm dps d instalar los driver oficiales del ati |
| 04:59.19 | dwu | !spanish |
| 04:59.19 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 04:59.28 | DeZ_666 | !hurd |
| 04:59.28 | dpkg | methinks hurd is a POSIX compatible collection of servers that run on the GNU Mach microkernel, it is the core of the GNU system, see http://hurd.gnu.org, or a HIRD of Unix-Replacing Daemons. http://www.debian.org/ports/hurd/ for Debian GNU/Hurd or /join #hurd on irc.freenode.net |
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| 04:59.44 | tequiero_ | ok sory |
| 04:59.47 | eldend7 | vamos al canal de español |
| 04:59.56 | dwu | tequiero_: It's OK. |
| 05:00.20 | tequiero_ | ^ |
| 05:00.23 | tequiero_ | ^^ |
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| 05:05.21 | dotz | hi i keep hitting into "FATAL: Cannot initialize video driver." on mplayer.. i'm using debian etch.. lspci says i'm using ATI Rage XL |
| 05:05.30 | dotz | what should i do? install drivers? |
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| 05:06.30 | Darkside | hi... i'm attempting to set up a new dedicated debian server, but the serverhost has but a *very* minimal install on there..... i'm trying to compile some stuff and none of the standard C libraries (stdio.c, etc) are installed |
| 05:06.41 | Darkside | the package libc6.1 is what i want, right? |
| 05:08.35 | dwu | Maybe libc6-dev ? |
| 05:08.42 | dwu | libc6-dev - GNU C Library: Development Libraries and Header Files |
| 05:08.56 | epsilon | apt-get install build-essentials |
| 05:09.00 | Darkside | aha :) |
| 05:09.01 | dwu | NO S |
| 05:09.03 | dwu | NO S! |
| 05:09.05 | dwu | Damnit. |
| 05:09.13 | dwu | build-essential, not build-essentials :) |
| 05:09.18 | epsilon | whatever |
| 05:09.28 | Darkside | thanks for that |
| 05:09.31 | DeZ_666 | can anyone tell me how i can get missing libraries back |
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| 05:09.40 | dwu | Right, why bother, it's only going to try and install a non-existent package if you include the s anyways. |
| 05:09.46 | dwu | DeZ_666: Install them again? |
| 05:09.52 | DeZ_666 | dwu: idk how D: |
| 05:10.01 | nocti | where do i change the mirror i connect to? tnx |
| 05:10.08 | dwu | ... please type that in full, I have no idea what you just said, DeZ_666. |
| 05:10.13 | nocti | apt mirror |
| 05:10.16 | dwu | nocti: Look in /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 05:10.24 | nocti | dwu: right thank :) |
| 05:10.26 | nocti | thanks |
| 05:10.29 | dwu | Sure. |
| 05:10.31 | DeZ_666 | dwu: i don't know how to get the missing libraries, back, can you tell me how? |
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| 05:10.54 | dwu | DeZ_666: Yes, I said "install them". Probably using aptitude, or whatever you're using as your preferred package manager frontend. |
| 05:11.10 | Zippy2 | can you resize a crypto (dm-crypt) partition? |
| 05:11.13 | Zippy2 | if so, whats the easiest way |
| 05:11.26 | DeZ_666 | dwu: i can't log in normally to debian, i have an error that says im missing libc.so.6 |
| 05:11.35 | DeZ_666 | i also get missing lib errors when i use 'su' |
| 05:11.44 | Zippy2 | i didnt add swap but now it says in order to use uwswap or whatever i need a swap partition |
| 05:11.45 | dwu | DeZ_666: ... dude, what the hell. You managed to remove libc6? -How-? |
| 05:11.57 | nocti | got a question. im on a freshly installed base system using netinst iso. i think im using esd for sound. how can i switch to alsa? i already install alsa-base, alsa-tools |
| 05:11.57 | DeZ_666 | dwu: im attempting to use crosshurd -.- |
| 05:12.06 | DeZ_666 | i thought it would be relatively simply :/ |
| 05:12.19 | DeZ_666 | simple* |
| 05:12.30 | dwu | DeZ_666: Right, there's probably a way to do this, but frankly, I've neither the time nor patience to deal with missing one of the fundamental libraries on a kernel I've never touched. Sorry. |
| 05:12.39 | DeZ_666 | :( |
| 05:12.44 | DeZ_666 | Ok |
| 05:12.54 | DeZ_666 | wait |
| 05:13.00 | DeZ_666 | you've never touched debian? |
| 05:13.03 | dwu | nocti: Probably app-specific - also, esd is a sound daemon, alsa is a sound system. |
| 05:13.16 | dwu | DeZ_666: No, I've never touched -hurd-. Debian is not a kernel. Debian is a distribution. |
| 05:13.18 | nocti | ah ok. :) |
| 05:13.29 | DeZ_666 | dwu: the libs are missing on debian |
| 05:13.31 | dwu | nocti: So, er, I'm not sure how, since you need both ;) |
| 05:13.51 | DeZ_666 | currently i could care less about hurd, i just want debian satisfied with these libraries |
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| 05:14.17 | nocti | dwu: so im just gonna search for the package that contains alsamixer, alsaconfig. what's the apt-cache command for it? |
| 05:14.20 | dwu | DeZ_666: Yes, and you're using a kernel I've never touched, and have managed to remove one of your base libraries removed (which I don't even want to -touch-). There is, probably, a way to get that library reinstalled. |
| 05:14.28 | dwu | nocti: Oddly enough, apt-cache search ;) |
| 05:14.42 | nocti | dwu: :D |
| 05:14.51 | dwu | DeZ_666: My libc6 is there just fine, thank you. |
| 05:15.30 | DeZ_666 | dwu: what? i don't understand |
| 05:15.52 | dwu | DeZ_666: I rest my case. I'm not entirely sure you were qualified to muck around with switching kernels in the first place. You do know that hurd isn't Linux, right? |
| 05:16.23 | dwu | DeZ_666: See if there's a #debian-hurd or something where people may know better about using hurd with Debian. |
| 05:16.24 | DeZ_666 | dwu: im not switching kernels |
| 05:16.31 | dwu | DeZ_666: Er, you tried to use hurd. |
| 05:16.34 | dwu | hurd is a -kernel-. |
| 05:16.36 | DeZ_666 | im putting it on another partition |
| 05:16.56 | DeZ_666 | dwu: |
| 05:16.57 | DeZ_666 | !hurd |
| 05:16.58 | dpkg | rumour has it, hurd is a POSIX compatible collection of servers that run on the GNU Mach microkernel, it is the core of the GNU system, see http://hurd.gnu.org, or a HIRD of Unix-Replacing Daemons. http://www.debian.org/ports/hurd/ for Debian GNU/Hurd or /join #hurd on irc.freenode.net |
| 05:17.14 | dwu | "The GNU Hurd is the GNU project's replacement for the Unix kernel." |
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| 05:17.59 | dwu | DeZ_666: I'd see if there was a #hurd or similar, or better yet, a #crosshurd. |
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| 05:18.02 | DeZ_666 | well, furthermore, i just tried `apt-get install libc6' and it said it was up to date |
| 05:18.03 | drmitch | anyone know how i can make a dropbox in samba? can i do write list = any ? or something? |
| 05:18.15 | dwu | DeZ_666: But you said you couldn't log in? |
| 05:18.27 | DeZ_666 | yes, it says the lib is missing |
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| 05:18.43 | DeZ_666 | /lib/libc.so.6 |
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| 05:19.21 | dwu | DeZ_666: *sigh* Let me just retract everything I've just said. Ignore me, pretend I said nothing. I don't know what the heck is wrong with your system, and I'm not about to try and figure it out. |
| 05:19.34 | DeZ_666 | heh |
| 05:19.36 | DeZ_666 | ok :) |
| 05:19.44 | dwu | (since you're doing things with it that I haven't done, as I said several times before, but never mind.) |
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| 05:21.13 | hwdyki | how do i list all installed pkgs with the full name/ver? |
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| 05:21.33 | hwdyki | dpkg -l gives partial names |
| 05:21.33 | dpkg | No packages found matching gives partial names |
| 05:21.42 | dwu | hwdyki: What do you mean by full name? |
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| 05:21.58 | dwu | My dpkg -l is giving me full names just fine (of packages, anyways) |
| 05:22.07 | hwdyki | i get entries like ii xserver-xorg-video- 1:1.1.1-2 X.Org X server -- Voodoo display driver |
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| 05:22.17 | dwu | hwdyki: That's a function of your terminal width. |
| 05:23.07 | dwu | Try making your terminal a lot wider :) (there's an environment variable to do this, but I can't recall it off the top of my head.) |
| 05:24.03 | dwu | Aha! |
| 05:24.17 | DeZ_666 | dwu: one last question if you please :) |
| 05:24.36 | DeZ_666 | is it..'wise' to apt-get remove libc6 ? and reinstall it? |
| 05:25.34 | hwdyki | another thing, how can i display the version as shown by the pkg name? like PACKAGE_VER_ARCH.deb |
| 05:25.43 | dwu | DeZ_666: I'm going to refuse to answer that, since if you haven't broken your system already, you just might with that. I -might- suggest apt-get install --reinstall libc6, WITHOUT removing it. |
| 05:26.09 | nocti | is there an automatic way of changing mirrors than editing sources.list? |
| 05:26.11 | DeZ_666 | Alright, i figured there was a reinstall parameter, im just not very versed in aptitude.. |
| 05:26.28 | dwu | DeZ_666: I'd also then recommend reading the manpages. See man aptitude. |
| 05:26.30 | DeZ_666 | thanks dwu |
| 05:26.58 | DeZ_666 | muh |
| 05:27.10 | DeZ_666 | >:[ that command didn't run because libc is missing |
| 05:27.16 | dwu | nocti: Aha! See apt-get mirror-select :) |
| 05:27.42 | nocti | dwu: i knew it :) thanks! |
| 05:27.44 | dwu | DeZ_666: Packages being marked as installed doesn't mean that their files are all there. |
| 05:28.01 | dwu | nocti: I could've found that fairly quickly, but... it was faster to tell you sources.list first ;) |
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| 05:28.11 | nocti | :) |
| 05:28.19 | DeZ_666 | is there a way to use my debian install cd? o.O |
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| 05:28.40 | dwu | DeZ_666: And now, I really -am- stepping away from your problem, it's likely to break me. You -could- copy files around, but... cp may not work without libc. Congratulations, you have a thoroughly broken system. |
| 05:28.59 | DeZ_666 | heh |
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| 05:30.57 | dwu | hwdyki: Isn't that the same thing that is output by dpkg -l? |
| 05:32.51 | dwu | DeZ_666: Out of... -completely- random curiosity, how are you at snooker? |
| 05:33.13 | acidchild | random... |
| 05:33.20 | DeZ_666 | Uh |
| 05:33.23 | DeZ_666 | not good at all |
| 05:33.24 | dwu | Yes, well, I know, which is why I said random :) |
| 05:33.28 | dwu | DeZ_666: K, thanks :) |
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| 05:34.41 | Jyzygzy- | is there a UI for cdrecord that can queue burn projects? |
| 05:35.22 | Jyzygzy- | or is there even a UI that can make burn projects |
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| 05:39.06 | hwdyki | dwu: some entries have a colon in them. |
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| 05:40.14 | holycow | hey guys. if i wanted to permanently alias ls to ls -alh, what is the best way to do that in a given shell/account? |
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| 05:40.31 | dwu | hwdyki: You do know that the colon is in the .deb as well, except that it's HTML-entity encoded, yes? |
| 05:40.34 | kgoetz | holycow: add it to the bottom of ~/.bashrc |
| 05:40.35 | saqib | What is the problem with these commands: # ifconfig eth0 192.168.10.1 netmask 255.255.255.0 up; route add -net 192.168.10.0 netmask 255.255.255.0 eth0. ping 192.168.10.2 says Operation not permitted |
| 05:40.35 | dwu | holycow: .bashrc |
| 05:40.42 | kgoetz | holycow: alias ls= |
| 05:40.47 | kgoetz | 'ls -lha' |
| 05:40.55 | kgoetz | holycow: alias ls='ls -lha' |
| 05:41.07 | holycow | aha! danke! |
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| 05:42.34 | hwdyki | dwu: no. |
| 05:43.11 | holycow | sweet, thx |
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| 05:43.59 | dwu | Well, not HTML entity. But it's in the form that odd characters become in URLs. |
| 05:44.09 | saqib | please help me configure my home network. eth0 and ppp0 does not work simultanously |
| 05:44.25 | dwu | e.g. search.cpan.org/search?query=HTML%3A%3AParser actually leads to search.cpan.org/search?query=HTML::Parser. |
| 05:44.27 | kgoetz | holycow: np |
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| 05:46.06 | dwu | hwdyki: So... it's there, just not exactly the same - if you want it to be -exactly- the same as in the .deb, then the only way is really to do some sort of parsing, I'd guess. But I'd think that trying to download xserver-xorg_1:7.3+3_all.deb from an apt mirror would get you xserver-xorg_1%3a7.3+3_all.deb anyways. |
| 05:47.29 | saqib | What is the problem with these commands: # ifconfig eth0 192.168.10.1 netmask 255.255.255.0 up; route add -net 192.168.10.0 netmask 255.255.255.0 eth0. ping 192.168.10.2 says Operation not permitted |
| 05:48.35 | saqib | I think there is some problem with route |
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| 05:50.19 | dwu | hwdyki: I'm informed that the %3a you see in the filenames are called hex URL escapse - essentially, they -are- colons. |
| 05:52.16 | RickyWh | how do i find out what is included in the 'standard package' that i select during installation of debian etch? |
| 05:53.02 | hwdyki | ok thx. |
| 05:53.43 | RickyWh | is it better to run 'apt-get install ssh', or 'apt-get install ssh open-ssh |
| 05:53.52 | RickyWh | i mean, apt-get install ssh openssh-server |
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| 05:55.55 | niklauz | is there an debian offtopic? |
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| 05:57.02 | heatman | Hello. Is there know difficulties with BenQ CD/DVD burners? Because all burning apps keeps on falling burning process! |
| 05:57.50 | dotz | what should i do? install drivers? |
| 05:57.52 | dotz | hi i keep hitting into "FATAL: Cannot initialize video driver." on mplayer.. i'm using debian etch.. lspci says i'm using ATI Rage XL |
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| 05:59.38 | heatman | sux - root is not implemented in debian? |
| 06:00.26 | Penix | what? |
| 06:00.40 | holycow | heatman: are you sure you aren't using ubuntu? |
| 06:01.24 | heatman | halycow: no im not... used Suse while back and sux allowed u to evoke a X application under root (while in shell) |
| 06:01.35 | heatman | 0 |
| 06:01.44 | Penix | why on earth would you want to do that? |
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| 06:02.06 | dalias | sux is aptly named.. |
| 06:02.18 | heatman | was usefull when some files could only be accessed by root |
| 06:02.28 | holycow | what? |
| 06:02.31 | Penix | how does an X app help that? |
| 06:03.04 | heatman | Penix: is was like if u were logged in a root and using an X app! |
| 06:03.06 | dwu | Penix: I think it was "sux let him run an X application as root". |
| 06:03.14 | dwu | Not "sux is an X app". |
| 06:03.25 | heatman | yeah... my bad if missunderstood |
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| 06:03.39 | Penix | dwu: yes, I know |
| 06:04.21 | dwu | Penix: Oh, were you referring to "some files could only be accessed [etc.]"? |
| 06:04.34 | Penix | yes |
| 06:04.55 | heatman | is there a similar command as sux in other distros? |
| 06:05.05 | dwu | Penix: I think it's useful for some silly X apps that, say, modify system config. |
| 06:06.38 | Penix | heatman: I hope not. if you want to use debian, you'll have to actually learn stuff at some point |
| 06:06.55 | Penix | heatman: otherwise, that's what suse and the rest are for, I guess |
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| 06:07.17 | heatman | Penix: lol |
| 06:07.18 | Penix | wait, I'm thinking of that other suse app |
| 06:07.22 | dwu | yast? |
| 06:07.25 | dwu | *ew* |
| 06:07.25 | Penix | yeah |
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| 06:08.26 | heatman | Penix: for example when i needed to use Yast, i could use sux - root, then yast2 to lunch yast gui and do what i needed to do instead of going thru the start menu |
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| 06:08.43 | Penix | heatman: what sort of apps are you planning to run as root though? |
| 06:08.46 | Penix | heatman: it's generally a bad idea |
| 06:09.15 | ehc | I have a dvd burner that seems to not have DAO. Is this bad and I should get another burner or is it common and won't provide limitations. |
| 06:09.45 | heatman | Penix: dunno was inquiering if it was possible |
| 06:10.16 | Penix | heatman: yes, it's possible. |
| 06:10.29 | Penix | heatman: just like in every other distro |
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| 06:11.06 | heatman | Penix: What is the command in Debian, sry but im quite new to debian... i like it tho |
| 06:11.15 | Penix | heatman: man su |
| 06:11.22 | heatman | Penix: kk |
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| 06:14.30 | heatman | Can some help me with the following prob in K3b? http://cut.and.paste.org/index.php?id=1661 |
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| 06:19.28 | kenboo | when did emacs change its filename completion behavior? (space doesn't work but tab) |
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| 06:22.31 | alex_L | Hi I got a problem. Ubuntu wont boot in normal or safe mode because firestarter conflicts with my ralink usb wireless card. Is tehre a way to boot into command line so I can uninstall firestarter? |
| 06:23.07 | squisher | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:23.08 | Nyle | alex_L: ask #ubuntu |
| 06:23.13 | Nyle | !ubuntu |
| 06:23.13 | dpkg | Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu (irc.freenode.net) instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. |
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| 06:23.43 | alex_L | I did, they are too busy asking about google earth and fstab to help me with my troubles |
| 06:23.46 | Nyle | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:23.55 | holycow | alex_L: aaaaaaaaand? |
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| 06:24.17 | alex_L | debian irc folks are pros who have amazing linux knowhow |
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| 06:24.25 | holycow | debian know how |
| 06:24.28 | holycow | not ubuntu know how |
| 06:24.31 | kgoetz | alex_L: stop groveling and go ask in #ubuntu |
| 06:24.35 | holycow | use ubuntu resources pls. thx. |
| 06:24.40 | alex_L | debian is very similar to ubuntu |
| 06:24.46 | holycow | dude stop |
| 06:24.49 | holycow | we don't care |
| 06:24.52 | alex_L | you are just being facetious |
| 06:24.53 | Nyle | holycow: when you install debian we will help you |
| 06:25.03 | kgoetz | Nyle: thats to alex_L i assume? :) |
| 06:25.03 | Nyle | !based on debian |
| 06:25.04 | dpkg | Your distribution may be based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it unlikely lives up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. If your distribution has an IRC channel, you can use it instead. Even if your distribution has fewer people in its IRC channel, or doesn't have one, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. |
| 06:25.07 | simonrvn | alex_L: do yourself a favour and drop it. we've heard them all |
| 06:25.08 | hardcampa | respect the topic |
| 06:25.09 | dwu | alex_L: No, they're being serious. #ubuntu, please. |
| 06:25.12 | squisher | nah, it's highly likely that ubuntu will differ from debian with your problem, actually |
| 06:25.16 | Nyle | kgoetz: oh |
| 06:25.17 | Nyle | ehe |
| 06:25.17 | Nyle | yeh |
| 06:25.25 | Nyle | simonrvn: hi man |
| 06:25.29 | simonrvn | hi |
| 06:25.30 | Nyle | I got paid today |
| 06:25.33 | dwu | simonrvn: You opless, useless thing :( |
| 06:25.36 | simonrvn | cool |
| 06:25.38 | alex_L | ok i get it, thanks anyway, i shoulda said: |
| 06:25.38 | Nyle | I got a big bag |
| 06:25.42 | hardcampa | Nyle: being paid got benefits! |
| 06:25.45 | Nyle | it smells like fruits |
| 06:25.45 | simonrvn | dwu: that's ok |
| 06:25.49 | alex_L | Hi I got a problem. Sid wont boot in normal or safe mode because firestarter conflicts with my ralink usb wireless card. Is tehre a way to boot into command line so I can uninstall firestarter? |
| 06:25.54 | dwu | alex_L: Stop. |
| 06:25.55 | alex_L | bye now! |
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| 06:26.03 | simonrvn | alex_L: have a nice day/evening. bye. |
| 06:26.10 | Nyle | what a tool |
| 06:26.29 | alex_L | =) |
| 06:26.40 | dwu | Yeah, "what a tool" about sums it up. |
| 06:27.17 | dwu | Not much stress required to look in, go "oh, tool". |
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| 06:27.46 | Nyle | man |
| 06:27.48 | holycow | the funny thing about that channel is it made me understand why people eventually turn into mwilson in free help channels |
| 06:27.49 | Nyle | I dunno about you guys |
| 06:27.53 | Nyle | but I love oldschool black metal |
| 06:27.56 | holycow | the human mind just isn't built for that sort of workload |
| 06:28.02 | Nyle | som eof those solos and melodies cary so much emotion its not even funny |
| 06:28.15 | kgoetz | holycow: mwilson? |
| 06:28.32 | simonrvn | you haven't been around long enough to know him |
| 06:28.39 | holycow | kgoetz: a famous old timer from this channel that used to chew out noobs for breakfeast |
| 06:28.40 | kgoetz | ok |
| 06:28.43 | dwu | mwilson++ |
| 06:28.53 | dwu | (in general). |
| 06:29.10 | Nyle | mwilson is the shit |
| 06:29.14 | dwu | He seems to have vanished, anyways. |
| 06:29.14 | holycow | he was always correct |
| 06:29.16 | Nyle | he is compeletely the shit |
| 06:29.19 | dwu | Pity. |
| 06:29.21 | kgoetz | seems i'mi the only one who doesnt know him |
| 06:29.27 | Nyle | you know who else is gone |
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| 06:29.28 | simonrvn | he was perma-banned |
| 06:29.35 | Nyle | this dude named perdave |
| 06:29.38 | dwu | simonrvn: By whom, helix? |
| 06:29.44 | dwu | Nyle: You mean PerfDave. |
| 06:29.45 | Nyle | perfdave |
| 06:29.46 | simonrvn | no, he's still around |
| 06:29.48 | Nyle | yes |
| 06:29.55 | Nyle | well bob2 i think is gone |
| 06:29.57 | dwu | simonrvn: Perf is around, but sort of silent :( |
| 06:29.59 | Nyle | remember bob2 |
| 06:30.03 | simonrvn | dwu: i don't recall |
| 06:30.05 | dwu | greycat is gone, he was actually nice too. |
| 06:30.06 | holycow | there was also a nathan/ehtan/*than or something some university kid |
| 06:30.08 | dwu | simonrvn: Non? |
| 06:30.15 | Nyle | and greycat i havent seen in a while |
| 06:30.17 | holycow | very very smart but mwilson like in approach too |
| 06:30.41 | xoz | greycat is not comparable to mwilson. mwilson has a personality problem. likes to promote himself by degrading others. |
| 06:30.53 | dwu | greycat was -nice-. |
| 06:30.58 | xoz | yep |
| 06:31.07 | simonrvn | i remember "tuning in" in the morings here, and greycat would be scolding someone for not doing a minimum amount of research |
| 06:31.09 | Nyle | abrotman is fairly helpful but that guy is a penis |
| 06:31.18 | dwu | xoz: I seem to recall seeing you before. (used to be Phated/phated :)) |
| 06:31.20 | simonrvn | morn* |
| 06:31.22 | holycow | Nyle: lol |
| 06:31.29 | holycow | wow i'm not the only one that thinks that |
| 06:31.30 | holycow | hehe |
| 06:31.34 | dwu | Nyle: He really isn't. |
| 06:31.44 | xoz | dwu: yep. haven't seen Phated now that im in singapore. i was in japan before. |
| 06:31.47 | Nyle | dwu: He really is. |
| 06:32.14 | holycow | i agree on the research part, but thats a cultural barrier, it takes a long time before noobs are retrained |
| 06:32.19 | holycow | to be self sufficient |
| 06:32.21 | dwu | xoz: Hang on, you're in Singapore now? |
| 06:32.24 | Nyle | sometimes I get the impression that he is maliciously an ahole to users |
| 06:32.26 | xoz | dwu: yep |
| 06:32.31 | dwu | Nyle: He's not malicious. |
| 06:32.41 | Nyle | oh don't get me wrong |
| 06:32.43 | holycow | Nyle: lol, dude you got it spot on |
| 06:32.44 | simonrvn | Nyle: he isn't |
| 06:32.48 | Nyle | very helpful and he knows his shit |
| 06:32.51 | beardy | Who is what? |
| 06:32.51 | dwu | xoz: Dude, we so have to go for a drink sometime. (what do you mean haven't seen Phated? You're looking at her now!) |
| 06:32.52 | holycow | Nyle: when he decides he doesn't like someone they are toast |
| 06:32.56 | Nyle | but he _is_ a dick |
| 06:32.57 | xoz | noobs make debian very enjoyable. |
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| 06:33.02 | Nyle | i don't care if he is a dick ot me or not |
| 06:33.07 | alex_L | Ah... the good old days. I quite like tool btw |
| 06:33.11 | Nyle | but I've noticed he is very mean a lot |
| 06:33.11 | xoz | dwu: really? you changed your name? |
| 06:33.14 | dwu | He isn't a dick, thanks very much. |
| 06:33.26 | beardy | She just said.. quick one. |
| 06:33.31 | holycow | dwu: thats because he likes you |
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| 06:33.45 | xoz | dwu: yeah. we should meet someting. im in NUS. |
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| 06:33.54 | xoz | *sometime |
| 06:34.00 | holycow | he doesn't go out of his way to be mean but he picks his battles |
| 06:34.22 | Nyle | the impression that i get from him talking in here is that he is a know it all prick |
| 06:34.26 | nocti | where's the definitive etch guide to install nvidia drivers for xorg? thanks |
| 06:34.30 | Nyle | if he was a know it all good guy it would be diff |
| 06:34.33 | dwu | xoz: This is my first initial+last name. |
| 06:34.39 | beardy | Who are you talking about now? |
| 06:34.39 | Nyle | i dislike his attitude and general way he speaks |
| 06:34.49 | dwu | Nyle: Put him on ignore, then. |
| 06:34.58 | Nyle | hes been on ignore for many months |
| 06:35.02 | dwu | xoz: Cool, NUS is nice. |
| 06:35.09 | dwu | Nyle: Stop bitching about him then, seriously. |
| 06:35.13 | Nyle | im not bitching |
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| 06:35.17 | Nyle | we were discussing some people |
| 06:35.24 | Nyle | and i wasn't even orignally taling to you |
| 06:35.25 | xoz | dwu: yes. very nice people. my boss is very kind. |
| 06:35.32 | dwu | You are now. "He's a penis". "He's a know it all prick". |
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| 06:35.40 | Nyle | whatever dude |
| 06:35.47 | nocti | guys? |
| 06:35.48 | dwu | Nyle: Oh, -sorry-, I wasn't aware you were talking in a -private message- that I wasn't allowed to respond to. |
| 06:35.58 | Nyle | yup |
| 06:36.00 | holycow | dwu, Nyle is correct |
| 06:36.00 | dwu | xoz: Props. Whenabouts? |
| 06:36.01 | Nyle | you're a prick too :) |
| 06:36.08 | nocti | where's the definitive etch guide to install nvidia drivers for xorg? thanks |
| 06:36.10 | holycow | he isn't the only one thats not coshure with abrotman |
| 06:36.12 | dwu | holycow: simonrvn happens to disagree. |
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| 06:36.28 | Nyle | its not the point of who agrees or disagree or who likes who |
| 06:36.32 | Nyle | I simply said what i said |
| 06:36.33 | holycow | thats cool, i respect that, you guys have a good relationship |
| 06:36.36 | holycow | its not universal |
| 06:36.41 | Nyle | you can either take it and blow it up ,or you can stfu |
| 06:36.45 | Nyle | you pick dwu |
| 06:36.45 | dwu | Nyle: Ahh, so anyone who doesn't agree with you is a prick. This makes it much easier. |
| 06:36.55 | beardy | Right, don't answer then, pricks. |
| 06:36.57 | Nyle | whatever, peace |
| 06:37.06 | nocti | :) |
| 06:37.06 | Nyle | beardy: abortman |
| 06:37.08 | dwu | beardy: Shut up, prick. |
| 06:37.12 | dwu | *nod* |
| 06:37.26 | beardy | dwu: Prick up. |
| 06:37.40 | dwu | beardy: ew, no. Gay. |
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| 06:37.44 | elmo40 | !prick |
| 06:37.49 | Nyle | how come im not talking in a harsh tone with simonrvn, he disagreed with em too |
| 06:37.51 | beardy | !gay |
| 06:37.51 | dpkg | It's OK to fantasize about men and to enjoy anal stimulation. It doesn't mean you're "gay". So stop projecting your insecurities onto others. Using this term as a derogatory adjective is very offensive, so do not use it as such. If you continue acting like a child, expect to be devoiced. |
| 06:37.59 | Nyle | obviously anyone can see why I'm not talking to simonrvn like that |
| 06:38.01 | dwu | xoz: You should turn up at SLMG some point. |
| 06:38.03 | Nyle | cuz he wasn't a dick to me |
| 06:38.05 | dwu | xoz: There's a party. |
| 06:38.05 | Nyle | anyway |
| 06:38.10 | Nyle | simonrvn++ |
| 06:38.19 | dwu | Nyle: I said "abrotman isn't a prick". This isn't allowed now? |
| 06:38.26 | Nyle | dude just fuck off |
| 06:38.27 | Nyle | you win |
| 06:38.28 | Nyle | . |
| 06:38.51 | nocti | nvidia on etch anyone? thanks much :D |
| 06:38.58 | dwu | See, if I win (like you said), -you- should fuck off. With a nice "/part FUCK YOU DWU PRICK". |
| 06:39.03 | Nyle | !tell nocti -about nvidia |
| 06:39.10 | xoz | dwu: you need to introduce me to the happenings here. i just came last july and my life is NUS + home only |
| 06:39.16 | dwu | nocti: http://www.linuxquestions.org/linux/answers/Applications_GUI_Multimedia/HOWTO_Installing_nVidia_Grapics_Drivers_on_Debian_Etch # quick google, etc. |
| 06:39.21 | nocti | yay thanks guys :) |
| 06:39.35 | Nyle | nocti: what card do you have? |
| 06:39.37 | dwu | xoz: Sure thing. msg, say when you're free, etc. |
| 06:39.40 | Nyle | I have a 7600GS |
| 06:39.47 | nocti | Nyle: an old mx440 |
| 06:39.50 | Nyle | damn |
| 06:39.51 | nivanson | nocti: http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers |
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| 06:40.02 | nocti | thanks thanks :) |
| 06:40.25 | xoz | dwu: maybe you can pm me your email? |
| 06:40.36 | dwu | xoz: Sure thing. |
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| 06:40.51 | Nyle | all day i dream about sex |
| 06:41.01 | dwu | Like a penis? |
| 06:41.04 | Nyle | no |
| 06:41.12 | Nyle | korn - life is peachy - adidas |
| 06:41.16 | dwu | Yes, like a penis. Testosterone, sex, etc. |
| 06:41.32 | beardy | I think I prefer the normal tards. |
| 06:41.36 | dwu | See, bangs. Penis. |
| 06:41.45 | Nyle | beardy: heh |
| 06:41.46 | dwu | And "head", even. |
| 06:42.05 | Penix | you people are so childish |
| 06:42.09 | Penix | :) |
| 06:42.16 | Nyle | Penix: don't make me.... |
| 06:42.25 | Nyle | mm if rahul was here he would |
| 06:42.25 | dwu | Says you, Penis-X. |
| 06:42.28 | beardy | Said the cock on legs. |
| 06:42.30 | Nyle | !penixstrike Penix |
| 06:42.30 | dpkg | A towering Penix descends from the heavens, knocking Penix to the ground and leaving a large wet spot. |
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| 06:42.48 | Penix | I'm with beardy the genius btw |
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| 06:43.10 | Nyle | beardy always ++ |
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| 06:43.25 | Nyle | from long time ++ |
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| 06:43.58 | Nyle | you just don't get it |
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| 06:44.00 | dwu | Nah. too easy to say that beardy wasn't referring to -me-. |
| 06:44.05 | Nyle | I know |
| 06:44.18 | Nyle | but that doesn't mean _I_ have any problems with him |
| 06:44.23 | Nyle | hes a nice enough guy |
| 06:44.35 | Nyle | so what if he wans to make fun of me or side with you |
| 06:44.43 | dwu | You have problems with people who don't match your definition of "nice", apparently. |
| 06:44.52 | beardy | dwu: Haha, no.. but it makes it more funny, picturing that I did. |
| 06:44.54 | Penix | 'a' even |
| 06:45.06 | dwu | Penix: Heh, sussudio++ |
| 06:45.08 | Nyle | my self respect was shot years ago |
| 06:45.13 | beardy | ;) |
| 06:45.16 | Nyle | I don't need any new friends or respect from you |
| 06:45.18 | dwu | Nyle: Turn to shooting yourself. |
| 06:45.23 | dwu | Don't worry, I wasn't going to. |
| 06:45.24 | Nyle | don't need to |
| 06:45.29 | dwu | You do, really. |
| 06:45.45 | Nyle | is there a reason why you are bieng a dick? |
| 06:45.46 | simonrvn | take it to pm or something |
| 06:45.51 | holycow | lol |
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| 06:46.07 | holycow | i REALLY gotta weigh in for Nyle here |
| 06:46.07 | Nyle | you're going to be a dick to me because I have a diff opinion of someone else? |
| 06:46.12 | Nyle | that I disagre with you? |
| 06:46.18 | beardy | Why not take your own advice, and use ignore. |
| 06:46.25 | holycow | dwu: i know he is a friend but you gotta admin the dude has an edge |
| 06:46.27 | Nyle | thats easily done |
| 06:46.30 | xoz | dwu: got it. thanks. will contact you in the near future. it will be nice to attend the SLMG and feel not alienated. |
| 06:46.33 | holycow | and doesn't exactly treat everyone the same |
| 06:46.35 | beardy | A few screenfuls ought to be enough for everyone. |
| 06:46.35 | holycow | none of us do |
| 06:46.38 | Nyle | but that won't stop him being a doucebag |
| 06:47.06 | dwu | holycow: I like edges. |
| 06:47.17 | holycow | dwu: :) i can go along with that |
| 06:47.18 | sauvin | I just wandered into another channel for a while. |
| 06:47.19 | Penix | talk about winding someone up ;) |
| 06:47.22 | dwu | holycow: And we're not friends. Sorry. |
| 06:47.31 | sauvin | maybe when I get back, things will be quieter. |
| 06:47.32 | holycow | okay |
| 06:47.39 | dwu | holycow: And Nyle isn't treating "everyone the same" either. |
| 06:47.43 | Nyle | point is, you can't get the best of me or work me up, I am always typing fast and hyper, I am always hyper thats how I am, obviosly you percieve it as me being upset by what yo uare saying |
| 06:47.45 | holycow | indeed |
| 06:47.50 | Nyle | hey if so, have at it :) |
| 06:47.52 | holycow | neither do i, i'm a first class jerk :) |
| 06:47.53 | holycow | lol |
| 06:48.01 | holycow | #ubuntu brings out the worst in me |
| 06:48.03 | dwu | You think I think you're upset? No. |
| 06:48.08 | dwu | I think you're still responding. |
| 06:48.10 | dwu | Which you -are-. |
| 06:48.21 | Nyle | you love abrotmans dick up your ass |
| 06:48.22 | Nyle | thats fine |
| 06:48.29 | Penix | I hope no one is upset. it's just a bunch of friggin text scrolling away. |
| 06:48.29 | Nyle | i dislike him and you need to just get over it |
| 06:48.30 | dwu | xoz: Cheers. No one feels alienated, really. Loads of people from overseas. |
| 06:48.32 | Nyle | thats about all |
| 06:48.34 | Penix | look outside ffs |
| 06:48.38 | Nyle | have a nice day |
| 06:48.43 | Nyle | *out* |
| 06:48.47 | dwu | Oh, hark at the hypocrite claiming to be fair! We've descended into personal attacks now. |
| 06:48.49 | sauvin | #ubuntu can be wearying, yea. I spent I swear an hour explaining to somebody how to change icon images. |
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| 06:49.04 | dwu | Nyle: Come on, just going *out* means nothing. |
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| 06:50.06 | dwu | sauvin: Do your -logs- say it was an hour? |
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| 06:50.22 | Penix | I hate old, fanless SMP rigs in summer... |
| 06:50.35 | holycow | sauvin: !!! lol |
| 06:50.41 | Penix | I should rent this room out as a sauna |
| 06:50.44 | Nyle | Penix: I have 7 servers heating my room in the winter |
| 06:50.45 | Nyle | :D |
| 06:50.51 | Penix | I love it in winter |
| 06:51.07 | elmo40 | Penix: i have a dual P2-400 fanless system... DAMN hot! :P |
| 06:51.07 | Nyle | in summer I have to pay much for electricity due to an AC unit cooling my machines |
| 06:51.07 | dwu | Penix: Upset? No. Amused? Highly. Apparently not thinking someone is a dick means I like them fucking me up the arse. |
| 06:51.31 | Nyle | its a figure of speech ya dumb cunt |
| 06:51.32 | dwu | Live in Antarctica, obviously. They've even got a Debian mirror. (Or, at least, CPAN.) |
| 06:51.32 | Penix | elmo40: dual P3 500 in a rackmount |
| 06:51.41 | holycow | sauvin: imho ubuntu is the single greatest thing to happen to debian imho. it has factually proven that we should not be seeking joe six pack as a user |
| 06:51.45 | dwu | And now we start with insults. |
| 06:51.46 | elmo40 | rack? that is tight spaces. |
| 06:51.49 | holycow | the amount of support required is astronomical |
| 06:52.03 | Nyle | dwu: you were the first one who started it, I stayed decent for a while :) |
| 06:52.06 | elmo40 | i want a rack to play with!... C-cup prefered. >_< |
| 06:52.15 | Nyle | elmo40: hahaha |
| 06:52.18 | dwu | Nyle: No, sorry. You started insulting random people on channel. |
| 06:52.18 | Nyle | don't we all |
| 06:52.21 | holycow | elmo40: there are doctors where you can arrange for that |
| 06:52.25 | Nyle | dwu: I did not. |
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| 06:52.27 | elmo40 | lol |
| 06:52.28 | holycow | *whistle* -_- |
| 06:52.34 | dwu | elmo40: 34C, but... oh well. |
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| 06:52.45 | dwu | Nyle: "X is a penis!" *whingewhingewhinge* |
| 06:52.47 | elmo40 | mmm, nice and shapely too! |
| 06:52.51 | sauvin | holycow, I am Joe Sixpack. |
| 06:52.59 | elmo40 | looks like x^2 :/ |
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| 06:53.07 | Nyle | dwu: thats not an insult :) |
| 06:53.16 | holycow | sauvin: wow. hows the integration into the community comming along? |
| 06:53.25 | Nyle | at least for him, being a dick would be an improvement over someother thigns |
| 06:53.28 | dwu | Nyle: Yeah, it really is. Calling random people genitalia is an insult. |
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| 06:53.41 | holycow | sauvin: whats the good/bad from your perspective? |
| 06:53.50 | Nyle | dwu: and why exactly are your panties in a twist? |
| 06:53.53 | sauvin | holycow, I'll let you know after I finish this stupid script. |
| 06:54.05 | Nyle | dwu: i asked you to let it go and get over it a long time ago |
| 06:54.08 | holycow | lol alrighty then |
| 06:54.08 | Nyle | maybe you should. |
| 06:54.11 | dwu | Nyle: They're really not. You're not "*out*" either. |
| 06:54.13 | elmo40 | dwu: true, only a part of a body is not as intelligent as the whole. ;) |
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| 06:54.26 | Chr1z | What filesystem is best for large raid arrays (~10tb) ? |
| 06:54.34 | dwu | elmo40: Although it's said men think with their cocks. |
| 06:54.38 | elmo40 | zfs? |
| 06:54.41 | dwu | Nyle: I should listen to you, why? |
| 06:54.54 | nivanson | comon, this discussion is really lame. how about you take it in private or drop it? |
| 06:54.58 | Penix | !best |
| 06:54.58 | dpkg | Best for what? Please define what you mean by "best". Gloria Gaynor! Tina Turner! Aretha Franklin! Men without Hats! Women without Hats! Men at Work! Women at Play! Anyone for Tennis! |
| 06:55.09 | Nyle | dwu: peace. Have at it . |
| 06:55.11 | elmo40 | Chr1z: try googling zfs, or jfs... cant remember, sorry ;) |
| 06:55.22 | dwu | Nyle: Hahaha, the one who says "peace" won't stop trying to last-word. |
| 06:55.25 | Nyle | I'm sorry gusy |
| 06:55.30 | Chr1z | elmo40: thanks |
| 06:55.34 | dwu | Because theatre is more entertaining than sex. Sometimes, anyways. |
| 06:55.46 | elmo40 | dwu: fine line you cross there! :P |
| 06:55.47 | sauvin | At the same time, it's like, "geez, dude, buy a book or something; if you can't figure out how to open an xterm and navigate to /etc, you need more help than I have time to give". |
| 06:55.57 | dwu | elmo40: Well, depends, I guess. |
| 06:56.05 | dwu | elmo40: -Sometimes-, I did say. |
| 06:56.11 | elmo40 | ... on the mood of the other person! |
| 06:56.25 | dwu | Or if the other person is, y'know, really boring. |
| 06:57.02 | xoz | dwu: looking forward to attend and join SLMG. in the meanwhile, back to work ;). |
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| 06:57.08 | dwu | xoz: See msg. |
| 06:57.12 | sauvin | What's SLMG? |
| 06:57.50 | dwu | Nyle: Please don't msg me now that we've "stopped". |
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| 06:58.06 | Nyle | dwu: you could have told me that in the msg as well |
| 06:58.08 | Nyle | why advertise/ |
| 06:58.23 | dwu | *plonk* |
| 06:58.32 | Nyle | you really THAt desperte for attentention? |
| 06:58.43 | Nyle | ugh |
| 06:58.43 | spatulasnout | Greetings! Anyone know if there's some package I need to install before glibc's getaddrinfo() function works properly? (amd64 etch system) It's not doing IP -> canonical hostname lookups for some reason. :( |
| 06:59.00 | simonrvn | how about you *plonk* each other and be done with it |
| 06:59.05 | elenril | hi |
| 06:59.09 | dwu | I thought I -had-, is he continuing? |
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| 06:59.25 | simonrvn | couple of lines |
| 06:59.26 | dondelelcaro | spatulasnout: it should work regardless. |
| 06:59.26 | dwu | 14:59:14 (Nyle) so are you going to talk or what? |
| 06:59.29 | elenril | how do i change keymapping in text mode |
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| 06:59.54 | dwu | simonrvn: Well, he isn't, apparently. Msgs are still coming. |
| 06:59.57 | The_SNiFF | im having unsual apache loads |
| 07:00.05 | nivanson | elenril: man loadkeys |
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| 07:00.10 | The_SNiFF | any steps to find whats wrong? |
| 07:00.28 | elenril | nivanson, thanks |
| 07:00.31 | dondelelcaro | the_sniff: unusal apache loads in what way? |
| 07:00.44 | dondelelcaro | the_sniff: have you enabled server-status and examined it? |
| 07:00.50 | spatulasnout | dondelelcaro: i was afraid of that... hmm.. not sure how to debug it. It's broken on my etch/amd64 system both under vmware and on a real opteron system. But it works fine on my other sarge systems. |
| 07:00.55 | the_sniff | apache keeps on loading the server up more and more |
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| 07:01.13 | dondelelcaro | spatulasnout: which ips are you trying to reverse? does host work? |
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| 07:01.58 | spatulasnout | dondelelcaro: yes, host works fine for all the same IPs. (tried various IPs, including "208.77.188.166" (www.example.com)) |
| 07:02.03 | Nyle | ugh i can't spell worth a damn tonight |
| 07:02.42 | dondelelcaro | spatulasnout: huh. and what applications are you using that aren't able to resolve them? have you tried stracing the application in question? |
| 07:03.49 | dondelelcaro | the_sniff: then you'll have to turn on mod_status and examine the server-status report; see the apache configuration file for details (and ask here if you can't figure out how to enable it) |
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| 07:04.16 | Nyle | ignorance is bliss, or was it daffodils, wordsworth |
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| 07:04.22 | Nyle | crap now i gotta go look it up |
| 07:04.35 | the_sniff | dondelelcaro thing is the server was find up until today when some site got up |
| 07:04.40 | spatulasnout | dondelelcaro: initially i noticed it via the ruby language... however i wrote a small test program in C to verify the problem... Wow, the strace on the broken system is a lot shorter than the strace on the working system... I'll see what i can learn from that, thx! |
| 07:04.40 | the_sniff | but when i disable the site |
| 07:04.41 | Nyle | compile complie compile all day long, compile compile compil while I sing the song... when will my kernel be done |
| 07:04.44 | Nyle | I wonder |
| 07:04.45 | the_sniff | its still loading more and more |
| 07:05.16 | dondelelcaro | Nyle: please restrain yourself to debian related issues |
| 07:05.29 | Nyle | dondelelcaro: you're right |
| 07:05.44 | nocti | is there any way i can amplify the sound more? i'm just using mplayer. dont want to use any other media player app. |
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| 07:05.50 | dondelelcaro | the_sniff: well, then it's probably that site that is causing problems, but enabling the server status will tell you precisely what is going on. |
| 07:05.59 | nocti | all my alsamixer settings are up |
| 07:06.05 | the_sniff | freaking crap |
| 07:06.11 | the_sniff | just got out phone line disconnected lol |
| 07:06.13 | dwu | nocti: Hardware volume control? |
| 07:06.17 | dwu | (If it exists) |
| 07:06.36 | nocti | dwu: well it's maxed up too |
| 07:07.12 | the_sniff | dondelelcaro its an apache1 server with a 2.4 kernel. does this matter? |
| 07:07.25 | dwu | nocti: Could it just be a really crap source file?Some of those exist *shrug* |
| 07:07.34 | dwu | nocti: Eh, s/source/media/ |
| 07:07.42 | DeZ_666 | dwu: im reinstalling debian as we speak lol |
| 07:07.54 | dwu | DeZ_666: Boy, that sucks. |
| 07:08.01 | dondelelcaro | the_sniff: nope |
| 07:08.09 | DeZ_666 | oh i forgot to tell you, after trying to fix debian |
| 07:08.10 | nocti | ugh yes the particular avi file's volume is really low. guess that's a dead end then |
| 07:08.18 | DeZ_666 | i started getting seg faults and loads of errors |
| 07:08.25 | dondelelcaro | nocti: the right thing to do is to reprocess that avi file's volume using mencoder or similar |
| 07:08.27 | DeZ_666 | cryptic ones, at that |
| 07:08.32 | dwu | nocti: Try with another file, see etc. |
| 07:08.33 | nivanson | nocti: if everything is on max, no software can boost your signal more without destroying the quality (like using equalizer/software amplifier) |
| 07:08.38 | dwu | Urgh, ssh lag. Pardon. |
| 07:08.56 | dondelelcaro | nivanson: that's not quite true |
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| 07:09.34 | dwu | Amps don't destroy quality (necessarily). |
| 07:09.39 | dondelelcaro | nivanson: normalizing won't harm the quality, and you can use compression/amplification to boost the average volume while compromising slightly on dynamic range. |
| 07:09.40 | nocti | yea that's what i was thinking about, an external amp software, i dont want to reprocess the avi file. anyway thanks guys, guess i have to don the earphones with separate vol control. i hate earphones. |
| 07:09.41 | nivanson | dondelelcaro: if max signal strength is coming to the sound card and the sound card amplifies it as much as possible. when is it not true? :D |
| 07:10.00 | dwu | dondelelcaro: Sound geek :) |
| 07:10.01 | dondelelcaro | nivanson: when the signal isn't at maximum, of course. |
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| 07:11.13 | reber | hi all. Any explanations why do i have accentuated characters on mrxvt/gentoo and not in mrxvt/debian ? o.O |
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| 07:11.42 | dwu | Charset? Have you configured Debian to generate the locales, etc.? |
| 07:11.49 | xoz | reber: unicode supported console |
| 07:11.58 | dondelelcaro | reber: different locales? missing fonts? does it work in rxvt-unicode? |
| 07:14.47 | the_sniff | would a failed soft raid possibly load the system? |
| 07:15.24 | dondelelcaro | the_sniff: possibly, but not in the way you seem to be describing. Follow the steps I've already given you to figure out what the problem actually is. |
| 07:15.39 | the_sniff | yeah well im seeing stats we have |
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| 07:16.20 | dondelelcaro | turning on the extended status takes seconds, and provides instant information on what the server is doing. If you think that's what the problem is, that's what you need to look at. |
| 07:16.53 | the_sniff | and the server seems to dies when i got an email saying there are degraded arrays |
| 07:17.01 | dondelelcaro | otherwise, we might as well be discussing a hypothetical server with hypothetical problems. |
| 07:17.02 | the_sniff | mm i just wanna take care of the raid first :s |
| 07:17.28 | dondelelcaro | best of luck, then. |
| 07:17.56 | the_sniff | help me with the raid array, regardless? :s |
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| 07:32.42 | nocti | i used module-assistant to install an nvidia kernel module, but i installed the wrong one (i should've installed the legacy modules). how to i delete that module so that i can reinstall the legacy one? thanks |
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| 07:34.06 | dwu | man module-assistant; the command to perform removals is listed in the synopsis. |
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| 07:34.32 | nocti | oh right. purge? |
| 07:34.46 | dwu | Read the description for it further down too. |
| 07:35.03 | dwu | Make sure it does what you want to do BEFORE using it. |
| 07:35.13 | nocti | kthnx |
| 07:36.32 | nocti | can i just use apt-get remove on those module packages? |
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| 07:37.06 | SunDevil | heu |
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| 07:37.12 | dwu | If you installed them via apt-get install, I see no reason why not (keeping in mind to make sure you're not using them, expect to use them, have things configured to used them). |
| 07:37.48 | SunDevil | i have reached the point where apt-get wants to upgrade my libc and remove kernel-image in the process for every update or install i want to do. |
| 07:38.02 | nocti | ok. i rmmod'd nvidia, im using the old xorg.conf, the new nvidia-based xorg.conf didnt work anyway |
| 07:38.02 | SunDevil | this is a life remote machine. |
| 07:38.08 | SunDevil | removing kernel0image seems a bit harsh |
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| 07:38.41 | axscode | how to stop the booting on LILO so that i can load the single user? |
| 07:38.46 | simonrvn | probably want to upgrade it |
| 07:38.58 | dondelelcaro | axscode: hold down shift |
| 07:39.00 | simonrvn | SunDevil: what kernel version? |
| 07:39.05 | beardy | axscode: then type single |
| 07:39.07 | SunDevil | 2.6.8-2 |
| 07:39.35 | simonrvn | ancient history. sarge or something? |
| 07:39.37 | dwu | nocti: OK, do you have anything else configured, etc.? If not, double check, and remove. Check that your xorg works with the current configuration before that, too. |
| 07:39.42 | SunDevil | yeh |
| 07:39.44 | SunDevil | stable |
| 07:39.49 | simonrvn | oldstable |
| 07:40.00 | SunDevil | i know, that because i am afraid to update |
| 07:40.10 | SunDevil | its a 2 hour drive to that machine |
| 07:40.18 | nocti | dwu: yes im currently using the vesa-based xorg right now |
| 07:40.27 | dwu | nocti: Good. Good luck, then. |
| 07:40.29 | SunDevil | The following extra packages will be installed: |
| 07:40.29 | SunDevil | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:40.29 | SunDevil | The following packages will be REMOVED: |
| 07:40.29 | SunDevil | <PROTECTED> |
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| 07:40.40 | simonrvn | hmm, better to do that upgrade in person then. and don't paste ;) |
| 07:40.45 | SunDevil | sorry |
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| 07:41.07 | simonrvn | install an etch kernel, should help |
| 07:41.30 | sauvin | /exec -o somecommand -togenerate TONS of:splutertext |
| 07:41.41 | nocti | another thing, my kernel says -486. is there any reason to switch to -686? or maybe i dont get it? :D |
| 07:41.48 | sauvin | Hrm, that should have been "spluttertext" |
| 07:41.52 | SunDevil | its time for a new machine anyway there, but i was wondering if i could tell at not to upgrade libc |
| 07:41.57 | SunDevil | *apt |
| 07:42.03 | SunDevil | and leave my kernel alone |
| 07:42.20 | SunDevil | right now i cant even upgrade openssl for securityreasons |
| 07:42.29 | simonrvn | put it on hold |
| 07:42.29 | dwu | nocti: There really isn't. Any sort of performance improvement from 486-686 is minor at best. |
| 07:42.40 | SunDevil | simonrvn: how? |
| 07:42.48 | simonrvn | well, put sarge instead of stable, that'll help, in sources.list |
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| 07:43.12 | beardy | nocti: If it isn't a "686" it's not even good, at all. |
| 07:43.21 | nocti | dwu: ok |
| 07:43.29 | dwu | beardy: o.O |
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| 07:43.31 | nocti | beardy: it's a p4 |
| 07:43.38 | beardy | dwu: What? |
| 07:44.07 | SunDevil | simonrvn: excellent, that works great |
| 07:44.31 | simonrvn | putting oldstable would've too, fyi |
| 07:44.35 | simonrvn | np |
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| 07:45.13 | beardy | nocti: Well, as dwu said, hardly worth it.. |
| 07:45.20 | nocti | beardy: got it |
| 07:45.25 | zapata | Is there a way of finding out what position a program has on the desktop? |
| 07:45.31 | SunDevil | how can i tell to which version apt wants to update something? |
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| 07:47.14 | sauvin | Programs don't have "positions" on the desktop. |
| 07:47.42 | zapata | ? |
| 07:47.57 | zapata | I need to find out the geometry position so i can put it there at startup. |
| 07:48.02 | the_sniff | position on the screen maybe? |
| 07:48.36 | zapata | yes? |
| 07:48.40 | sauvin | Hrm, if you're talking about where the program's window on the desktop is, that probably varies by DE :\ |
| 07:48.55 | sauvin | Do you need to find this out programmatically? |
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| 07:51.13 | Noboru | hi guys,i want to check /sbin/sysctl but it says it is not a file ? |
| 07:51.37 | Noboru | i need to adjust the time_wait value,cuz too many of them in my apache server |
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| 07:52.32 | sauvin | /sbin/sysctl: ELF 32-bit LSB executable, Intel 80386, version 1 (SYSV), for GNU/Linux 2.4.1, dynamically linked (uses shared libs), for GNU/Linux 2.4.1, stripped |
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| 07:53.17 | Noboru | hi sauvin ,how do i check the contents of that file ? |
| 07:53.37 | sauvin | You don't. It's a binary. |
| 07:53.40 | the_sniff | content? its a binary |
| 07:53.52 | dwu | It's got loads of content, but nothing you'd understand. |
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| 07:54.39 | SunDevil | can i have multiple DPkg::Pre-Install-Pkgs in my apt.conf? |
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| 07:55.50 | reber | xoz, '* xoz guesses rxvt-unicode works', yes and ? |
| 07:56.06 | reber | as i said i need mrxvt (with tab features) |
| 07:56.09 | SunDevil | or should that be comma separated or something? |
| 07:56.20 | reber | donaldo, dunno |
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| 07:56.58 | reber | Any explanations why do i have accentuated characters on mrxvt/gentoo and not in mrxvt/debian ? o.O |
| 07:57.02 | SunDevil | semicolon gottit |
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| 07:57.46 | xoz | reber: your console was not compiled with unicode support. |
| 07:58.05 | reber | xoz, seems that mrxvt doesn't support unicode yet. |
| 07:58.22 | reber | xoz, *but* it-works-on-gentoo (c) |
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| 07:59.23 | dwu | Well, it supports -some- encoding that isn't just plain ascii. |
| 07:59.33 | xoz | reber: unicode and freetype font support? |
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| 08:00.30 | dwu | Maybe it's a magical Gentoo patch. |
| 08:00.33 | dwu | They have those. |
| 08:00.34 | reber | xoz, dunno, can't really explain it as i have this problem nearly only in mrxvt, not other consoles (konsole, etc.) |
| 08:01.12 | xoz | reber: wait |
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| 08:02.43 | xoz | reber: http://readlist.com/lists/lists.debian.org/debian-user/24/122932.html |
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| 08:04.53 | lhadji | Hi guys. Running debian etch. I had an old realtek network card(8029 or something) in my computer, then replaced it with a realtek 8139d. Turned the system back on and before login comes up the error -> SIOCISIFADDR: No such device. eth0: error while getting interface flags: no such device |
| 08:06.12 | lhadji | lspci sees the new network card. lsmod has the right stuff loaded(8139too and 8139cp).. and then part of dmesg | grep eth shows "eth0: Realtek RTL8139 at 0xd000" |
| 08:06.44 | lhadji | which i thought looked sus.. any ideas? |
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| 08:06.58 | reber | xoz, doesn't work |
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| 08:08.02 | xoz | reber: try mrxvt-cjk to support more chars |
| 08:08.35 | xoz | whois reber |
| 08:08.44 | xoz | hehe |
| 08:09.04 | tralala | lhadji, the interface was probably renamed. Try ifconfig -a |
| 08:09.11 | xoz | it won't cjk for chinese not french |
| 08:09.37 | reber | <xoz> whois reber ..... erm... |
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| 08:09.44 | lhadji | tralala, weird. it shows eth1 and lo. I never had an eth1! |
| 08:09.52 | xoz | reber: trying to check what locale you need. |
| 08:10.11 | reber | with whois ... |
| 08:10.13 | xoz | reber: is your system in french locale? |
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| 08:11.05 | sauvin | http://xkcd.com/349/ |
| 08:11.06 | xoz | reber: have you tried mrxvt-full instead of mrxvt? |
| 08:11.07 | reber | xoz, yes, and if course i tried with my installed locale |
| 08:11.40 | reber | don't have mrxvt-full |
| 08:12.34 | tralala | lhadji, udev saves attaches interface names to mac addresses, so eth0 is your old nic |
| 08:12.38 | xoz | reber: what debian? etch has |
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| 08:13.17 | wols_ | lhadji: /msg dpkg z25 |
| 08:13.18 | lhadji | but in dmesg eth0 shows my new nic. and it even applies the 8139 driver to eth0. |
| 08:13.23 | nocti | what repos do adobe flash ff plugin and pidgin belong? thanks |
| 08:13.26 | wols_ | lhadji: udev renamed your ethernet card |
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| 08:13.43 | tralala | lhadji, you can change that by editing /etc/udev/rules.d/z25_persistent-net.rules |
| 08:13.45 | wols_ | nocti: probably nonfree |
| 08:13.52 | tralala | or one of the similars |
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| 08:14.13 | wols_ | !tell nocti about pidgin |
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| 08:14.29 | reber | lenny |
| 08:14.53 | nocti | wols_: thnks. |
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| 08:15.08 | lhadji | thanks guys will read up more. makes sense though how udev went apeshit |
| 08:15.12 | tralala | !z25 |
| 08:15.12 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, z25 is as of version 0.090, udev has the ability to statically rename ethernet cards based on MAC address. The addresses are configured in /etc/udev/rules.d/z25_persistent-net.rules . If you want the mappings to change, edit that file. If you don't want udev to touch your interface names, remove that file and z45_persistent-net-generator.rules in the same directory. |
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| 08:15.45 | lhadji | q |
| 08:16.11 | xoz | reber: try /usr/share/doc/mrxvt/ and look for mrxvtrc. mv it to ~/.mrxvtrc |
| 08:16.33 | xoz | reber: also, xlsfonts and choose the font that support your locale. |
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| 08:19.58 | nocti | wols_: how do i get the pubkeys for ftp.cyconet.org? |
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| 08:25.04 | nocti | wols_: fixed it |
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| 08:27.38 | Noboru | hi guys,i need to adjust the value of time_wait in sysctl,where do i do that ? |
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| 08:30.54 | sep | Noboru, /etc/sysctl.conf |
| 08:31.12 | Noboru | hi sep ,good morning |
| 08:31.13 | sep | Noboru, then man sysctl |
| 08:31.31 | sep | morning it is, good... not yet determined |
| 08:31.50 | Noboru | sep, i mean,i found too many time_wait from apache running,i googled,says i may need to adjust the default value to a lower one by doing stuff in sysctl |
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| 08:32.33 | Noboru | now i check 'sysctl -a | grep time_wait',i only get this net.ipv4.netfilter.ip_conntrack_tcp_timeout_time_wait = 120 |
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| 08:32.57 | sep | humm ? isn't it more sane to reduce the keepalive timeout in apache itself ? |
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| 08:34.01 | Noboru | KeepAlive Off |
| 08:34.28 | reber | don't have mrxvtrc. in the doc dir |
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| 08:36.23 | Noboru | hmm |
| 08:36.48 | Noboru | sep, my httpd.conf tells KeepAlive Off,i mean to set it,i googled says set it to Off is better |
| 08:39.42 | sep | Noboru, keepalive off is better ? i'd not say that. ofcourse it depends on your site. but if you are a regular website, then i'd milk keepalive for all it's worth. |
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| 08:40.22 | Noboru | sep, i run a production server does co-colocations |
| 08:40.59 | Noboru | i googled,says set KeepAlive = Off is better for forums |
| 08:41.11 | sep | Noboru, i suggest you read about what keepalive does before you take a decitino based on your own needs if you want it or not. |
| 08:41.31 | Noboru | cuz forums has many threads,and visitors usually take some time to read the threads,but not just jump from this page to another in a very short time |
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| 08:44.39 | grub | hi, how do i make wireless with wpa work? |
| 08:44.47 | grub | i am on lenny |
| 08:45.19 | dryrot | how do i make the cops not confiscate my computers ? |
| 08:45.29 | grub | i tried installing network-manager and network-manager-gnome, but it doesn't seem to start |
| 08:45.33 | grub | dryrot: ? |
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| 08:45.52 | tarzeau | can i create a new main menu for my system for gnome and kde menu system in debian? using desktop files? like at the Games level, how? |
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| 08:47.31 | grub | would it work with hostapd? |
| 08:47.33 | grub | !hostapd |
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| 08:48.35 | wols_ | can kvm, the linux kernel virtualization, work without VT capable CPUs? |
| 08:49.40 | spq | im searching for a filesystem or a shared block device - any solution - with the following things: every server should backup the data of other servers, to not loose data when one server crashes - like in raid 5 or 6 or RAIDn - anyone? |
| 08:50.03 | wols_ | spq: clusterfilesystems I think |
| 08:50.24 | dondelelcaro | spq: there are a couple of distributed filesystems like that, like openafs |
| 08:50.27 | yang | What is the substitute for libapache2-mod-php4 in sid? |
| 08:50.29 | nocti | i installed flashplugin-nonfree but ff says it's still not installed |
| 08:50.40 | spq | hmm, i looked at lustre before... |
| 08:50.44 | drc | nocti: did you restart the ff |
| 08:50.46 | smiler | wols_: no |
| 08:50.47 | spq | but it looked not what i want |
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| 08:50.54 | nocti | ah... |
| 08:51.04 | smiler | wols_: xen works fine without though |
| 08:51.29 | nivanson | grub: add your user to netdev group and restart. this will start networkmanager. |
| 08:51.37 | wols_ | smiler: thanks. just that someone in anothre channel just mentioned to use kvm and buying a E4400 machine for it |
| 08:51.52 | nocti | drc: restarted still no go |
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| 08:54.02 | grub | nivanson: ok |
| 08:54.25 | Schalken | should user's files belong to the group "users" or to the same group as their username? for eg. i have some files that belong to schalken:users and others that belong to schalken:schalken (schalken being the username). |
| 08:55.03 | dondelelcaro | Schalken: up to you |
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| 08:55.18 | drc | nocti: test the flash here: http://www.adobe.com/go/tn_15507 |
| 08:55.25 | drc | if it still doesn't know, I don't know why |
| 08:55.33 | drc | doesn't work* |
| 08:55.39 | drc | gtg |
| 08:55.47 | Schalken | dondelelcaro: why is there a group called "users" anyway? doesnt every group technically consist of users? |
| 08:56.00 | beardy | But it's a good question. Has the default changed at some point, from group "users" to the users own named group? |
| 08:56.03 | nocti | drc: thanks |
| 08:56.14 | hardcampa | Schalken: for programs that are shared by all users |
| 08:56.19 | hardcampa | such stuff |
| 08:56.21 | dondelelcaro | Schalken: because sometimes you'd like to have files which all users can read. |
| 08:56.25 | grub | I am getting symbol SSL_CTX_set_info_callback, version OPENSSL_0.9.8 not defined in file libssl.so.0.9.8 with link time reference when i try to run wpa_supplicant |
| 08:56.30 | grub | anyone know what this means? |
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| 08:56.44 | Schalken | dondelelcaro: isnt that what the "everybody" permissions are for? |
| 08:56.45 | dondelelcaro | Schalken: but not non-users. [And moreover, not all users are necessarily in the users group.] |
| 08:57.11 | dondelelcaro | Schalken: you're assuming that all users are in the users group, which almost assuredly isn't the case. |
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| 08:57.23 | beardy | Schalken: When was this installation done? |
| 08:58.00 | Schalken | dondelelcaro: hmm, i see. why would you want files to be accessable by all human users but not system users? |
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| 08:58.21 | dondelelcaro | Schalken: because you may not things like www-data to be able to access it? |
| 08:58.22 | dwu | Schalken: you might want a file to be accessible by all users with a shell, but not FTP users. |
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| 08:58.37 | Schalken | beardy: this one in particular was a fresh etch install upgraded to testing. the directory in question is a home directory that has been carried over from various previous linux distribution installations. |
| 08:58.50 | dwu | (etc. There are several such scenarios.) |
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| 08:59.10 | dondelelcaro | Schalken: but to really answer that question, you'd have to know who was in the users group; Debian generally doesn't add users to that group by default, but you can if you want. |
| 08:59.28 | Schalken | dondelelcaro: ahhhhhh okay. |
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| 08:59.50 | Schalken | dondelelcaro: adduser adds users to their own group. not sure about the users group. |
| 08:59.52 | beardy | Schalken: I see. Yes, because afaik, the default is user:user. |
| 09:00.04 | dondelelcaro | Schalken: it can do either, but the default is their own group. |
| 09:00.25 | dondelelcaro | (it either creates a group for the user, or puts them in the USERS_GID group) |
| 09:00.57 | Schalken | according to /etc/group the "users" group has nobody in it. so debian just put that group there to use if you want to? |
| 09:01.05 | dondelelcaro | Schalken: yerp |
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| 09:01.19 | dwu | Yay! Helpful debian! \o/ etc. |
| 09:01.22 | Schalken | also i notices my umask is set so that new files belond to schalken:schalken, the schalken:users ones must have been from suse or something. |
| 09:01.26 | Aciid | yay debian or somthing |
| 09:02.01 | dondelelcaro | Schalken: probably; you can fix them all if you want by something like find -uid schalken -gid users -print0|xargs -0 sudo chgrp schalken; |
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| 09:02.22 | Schalken | dondelelcaro: i just chown -R schalken:schalken * |
| 09:02.31 | dondelelcaro | s/uid/user/; s/gid/group/ |
| 09:02.33 | Schalken | ~/* that is. |
| 09:02.37 | dondelelcaro | Schalken: that's a bad idea. |
| 09:02.47 | SunDevil | can someone help me get the right packages for the problem: "configure: error: C++ preprocessor "/lib/cpp" fails sanity check" |
| 09:02.53 | SunDevil | i need g++ installed |
| 09:02.55 | Aciid | best idea is to "halt -p" |
| 09:02.55 | dondelelcaro | don't ever use chown -R, chgrp -R or chmod -R. |
| 09:03.04 | Schalken | dondelelcaro: why? all the files in ~ belong to me. |
| 09:03.05 | SunDevil | but i get "The following packages have unmet dependencies: |
| 09:03.05 | SunDevil | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:03.06 | SunDevil | " |
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| 09:03.13 | dwu | dondelelcaro (cleverly) assumes that some permissions are not meant to all be that, and also that there are files outside your homedir that belong to you. dondelelcaro++ :) |
| 09:03.47 | SunDevil | how do i get that right? |
| 09:03.54 | Schalken | dwu: hmmm, im not sure what files outside my home dir would belong to me. i might have something in /tmp though. |
| 09:03.56 | streuner | dondelelcaro: for about 100 files it would be a nightmare without "-R"... |
| 09:04.09 | dondelelcaro | streuner: not hardly |
| 09:04.18 | dondelelcaro | I even gave the right command to use |
| 09:04.20 | dwu | Schalken: Heck if I know, but... *shrug* His method Works, tho. |
| 09:04.27 | xoz | SunDevil: aptitude update; upgrade; and install |
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| 09:05.16 | SunDevil | xoz: nothing to do |
| 09:05.22 | Schalken | dondelelcaro: so the point remains, whats wrong with "chown -R schalken:schalken ~/*" ? |
| 09:05.23 | SunDevil | running sarge |
| 09:05.56 | dondelelcaro | Schalken: because it decends into everything, changing the group on everything, even on those files that you may not specifically want to be owned by your user. |
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| 09:06.49 | Schalken | dondelelcaro: files like? i personally dont have any files in ~ that i can think of that i dont want to be owned by me. |
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| 09:07.04 | dondelelcaro | Schalken: you've struck on the magic phrase: "that I can think of" |
| 09:07.05 | streuner | SunDevil: show us your sources.list in paster bot (paste.debian.net) plus "dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1" |
| 09:07.15 | Schalken | dondelelcaro: lol |
| 09:07.30 | Schalken | dondelelcaro: also, if there are files that dont belong to me, wouldnt i not have the permission to change the owned/group anyway? |
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| 09:07.37 | Schalken | owner* |
| 09:08.03 | dondelelcaro | Schalken: if you owned the directory that those files are in, you can change the permissions on them. |
| 09:08.17 | Schalken | dondelelcaro: :O didnt know that. |
| 09:08.27 | SunDevil | http://paste.debian.net/43464 |
| 09:08.53 | grub_ | anyone had such libssl errors too? |
| 09:09.05 | dondelelcaro | grub_: which such libssl errors? |
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| 09:09.12 | Schalken | dondelelcaro: well, i think its safe, the only possible candidate i can think of is some config file thats been put somewhere that is supposed to belong to some system user or root. |
| 09:09.29 | dondelelcaro | Schalken: *shrug*; you've been warned. |
| 09:09.30 | grub_ | dondelelcaro, symbol SSL_CTX_set_info_callback, version OPENSSL_0.9.8 not defined in file libssl.so.0.9.8 with link time reference |
| 09:09.45 | dondelelcaro | grub_: which package? |
| 09:09.49 | grub_ | i am getting that when i try to run wpa_supplicant |
| 09:10.04 | streuner | SunDevil: add a line for "security" |
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| 09:10.37 | SunDevil | security stable or sarge? |
| 09:10.58 | streuner | security sarge, of course |
| 09:10.59 | dondelelcaro | grub_: hrm... what version of libssl and what version of wpasupplicant do you have installed? |
| 09:11.03 | Schalken | dondelelcaro: what about when you carry over a home directory from a previous installation and it says "/home/schalken already exists. use it and change its owner?" does it not perform a chown -R on it? |
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| 09:11.20 | dondelelcaro | Schalken: not if it's sane |
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| 09:11.31 | SunDevil | streuner: ok, done, upograde now wants to upgrade my kernel :) |
| 09:11.31 | dondelelcaro | Schalken: it almost certainly uses a contruct like I gave. |
| 09:11.44 | SunDevil | streuner: that machine is remote. |
| 09:11.51 | streuner | SunDevil: wired |
| 09:11.51 | dondelelcaro | joeyh knows how to use find, xargs, and chown/chgrp. |
| 09:12.00 | yang | What is the substitute for libapache2-mod-php4 in sid? |
| 09:12.06 | grub_ | dondelelcaro, 0.6.0-4 wpasupplicant and 0.9.8g-1 libssl |
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| 09:12.07 | dondelelcaro | yang: uh... there isn't one? |
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| 09:12.17 | dondelelcaro | yang: you presumably want libapache2-mod-php5 |
| 09:12.23 | streuner | SunDevil: show us sources.list again and the command plus error-message |
| 09:12.33 | yang | dondelelcaro: but then i get such an error ... |
| 09:12.36 | yang | I have the following apache php error http://openpaste.org/en/4055/ |
| 09:12.40 | emanuelez | hello. i'm trying to install ultramonkey. i add the repos to sources.list but on apt-get update i get a gpg error: NO_PUBKEY 03C0023E05410E97. nothing is written in the ultramonkey website about it so i tried to retrieve the key with: gpg --keyserver wwwkeys.pgp.net --recv-keys 03C0023E05410E97. but i had no luck. any hint? |
| 09:12.45 | yang | it asks me for |
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| 09:13.10 | yang | LoadModule php4_module /usr/lib/apache2/modules/libphp4.so |
| 09:13.17 | Schalken | dondelelcaro: how would it know what UID needs to be modified to match the new user's UID, and what UID's need to be left alone because they are files that are supposed to belong to other people? |
| 09:13.30 | streuner | SunDevil: plus "apt-cache policy libc6" |
| 09:13.32 | dm | Hello. I use dm-crypt for encrypting some partitions (not "/") with AES. The crypt devices are listed in /etc/crypttab and loaded when booting. How can I force Debian to use the kernel module aes-i586 instead of aes for the crypt devices? |
| 09:13.35 | SunDevil | streuner: ill upgrade some of the libs 'security' advises first. ill leave the kernel as it is |
| 09:13.44 | streuner | hm |
| 09:13.47 | streuner | sure |
| 09:14.08 | dondelelcaro | yang: so a2dismod php4; |
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| 09:14.27 | streuner | SunDevil: read debian-administration.org (for remote reboots) |
| 09:14.42 | dondelelcaro | Schalken: clearly because it'd know who owned the home directory and what the new user/group would be. |
| 09:15.08 | grub_ | dondelelcaro, seen such erorrs before? |
| 09:15.27 | Schalken | dondelelcaro: hmm, the user of the directory itself? i didnt think of that. |
| 09:15.32 | dondelelcaro | grub_: no; can you run which wpa_supplicant; ldd $(which wpa_supplicant); for me? |
| 09:15.36 | streuner | SunDevil: http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/70 |
| 09:15.39 | Schalken | dondelelcaro: anyway, thanks so much for your help!!! :D |
| 09:16.35 | dondelelcaro | Schalken: np |
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| 09:16.45 | dondelelcaro | grub_: well, I lie slightly; I do know what can cause that type of problem, and usually it means that wpa_supplicant was linked against a different version of libssl than it's running with |
| 09:16.57 | grub_ | ah, yes |
| 09:17.24 | dondelelcaro | grub_: so verifying that the version of wpa_supplicant that you're using and the version of libssl it's linking against are sane is the first step. |
| 09:17.41 | dondelelcaro | grub_: there aren't any open bugs for it in the BTS that I saw in a cursory glance either. |
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| 09:18.20 | grub_ | hmm |
| 09:18.35 | dutchfish | is it possible to tweak a running kernel (in this case 2.6.22 debian latest) with echoing params to the vm system i.e. vm.vfs_cache_pressure & vm.dirty_ratio, ho to do that? |
| 09:19.08 | dondelelcaro | dutchfish: in some cases, yes, if there are proc entries for it. |
| 09:19.39 | dondelelcaro | grub_: actually, it may be #449200 |
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| 09:20.22 | dutchfish | dondelelcaro, i searched how and low, using ext3, want my server to more resilient to nasty stuff like dd if=xx of=/path/somefile specially with files larger then 2x mem, you see? |
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| 09:20.45 | dondelelcaro | dutchfish: I don't see, actually. |
| 09:21.00 | dondelelcaro | dutchfish: that isn't going to eat much memory |
| 09:21.07 | grub_ | dondelelcaro, http://rafb.net/p/7PTTQ897.html ldd output |
| 09:21.25 | dutchfish | dondelelcaro, right, but it makes an almost DoS of the server |
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| 09:21.29 | streuner | Is in BTS javascript? |
| 09:21.41 | dondelelcaro | streuner: only minor bits |
| 09:21.57 | dondelelcaro | basically only cosmetic pieces that aren't necessary |
| 09:22.04 | dondelelcaro | dutchfish: eh? no it doesn't. |
| 09:22.05 | JDahl | I just installed Etch r1, and upgraded to unstable - all very smooth, btw. Looking into /etc/apt/sources.list I have "deb http://ftp.dk.debian.org/debian/ unstable main non-free contrib"; are the other official repositories? E.g., I couldn't find mozilla-thunderbird |
| 09:22.13 | streuner | well, you know for yourself, not many Debian users like javascript much... |
| 09:22.14 | SunDevil | streuner: http://paste.debian.net/43465 |
| 09:22.23 | dondelelcaro | streuner: sure, so they don't use it. |
| 09:22.35 | Ranpha1 | What is a good package to make a own linux router /download server ? |
| 09:22.43 | dutchfish | dondelelcaro, am i overlooking something here? |
| 09:22.47 | dondelelcaro | all the javascript does is hide or show bits of the CSS. |
| 09:23.17 | dondelelcaro | dutchfish: writing files to disk isn't going to DoS the server anymore than any type of I/O will. |
| 09:23.21 | grub_ | ok brb |
| 09:23.35 | dondelelcaro | grub_: yeah, that looks sane, so it's probably one of those bugs like #449200 |
| 09:23.36 | streuner | Ranpha1: ipmasq |
| 09:23.51 | dutchfish | dondelelcaro, sure, thats right too |
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| 09:24.18 | dondelelcaro | dutchfish: so what exactly are you trying to resolve? |
| 09:25.27 | dutchfish | dondelelcaro, but when this happens often the server comes to a point where the server latencies due the fact that all name_to_inode caches are lost and have to be fetched from disk again only to be quickly flushed again and again will be very unresponsive ..... |
| 09:25.34 | Ranpha1 | streuner that's only a firewall which i can't use i need to use firehol (because of mo-block) but i was more searching of a complete router system with dhcp server, port forwarden in a simple GUI preferable |
| 09:26.09 | dondelelcaro | dutchfish: so? |
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| 09:27.07 | streuner | Ranpha1: there are tons of router linux-based distros out there..., specifically for routers... |
| 09:27.10 | dondelelcaro | dutchfish: processes compete for IO all the time; you can tweak the io scheduler to make things more fair, but it's always going to be like that. |
| 09:27.20 | dutchfish | dondelelcaro, multiply the dd operation by a factor and you understand my worry, in fact its not exactly a dd but a simulair operation on a huge database, just to keep it simple |
| 09:27.33 | streuner | Ranpha1: but, you can use Debian for a router too |
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| 09:27.55 | Ranpha1 | streuner that's the trick i want to use debian. but with X server also on ...is that possible |
| 09:28.01 | dondelelcaro | dutchfish: but that's always the problem; if your disks can't keep up with the demand you're making on them, you're going to have to wait for them to catch up. |
| 09:28.06 | dutchfish | dondelelcaro, so it wont make much difference tweaking the vm system in your opinion? |
| 09:28.14 | GhostlyDeath | in GNOME, How do I increase the Alt+Tab Icon Grid to have more columns? |
| 09:28.25 | streuner | Ranpha1: Debian isnt care if you have X installed, it could act as router as well then |
| 09:28.40 | dwu | Ranpha1: X has nothing to do with what your network can do - specifically, with what your Debian machine can do with network pcackets. |
| 09:28.44 | dondelelcaro | dutchfish: no setting you can set in the kernel is going to overcome the fundamental limitation of I/O speed. |
| 09:29.25 | Ranpha1 | streuner okay ...than my next question I want stable for security but need a kernel 2.6.21 or higer for my padlock...so i need to compile a kernel in debain Etch right? (never did it) |
| 09:29.33 | dutchfish | dondelelcaro, thats though also, mm... still the server isnt at the top of its i/o speed, i have to look into more closely then i thought |
| 09:29.47 | streuner | Ranpha1: /msg dpkg backports |
| 09:30.01 | dutchfish | dondelelcaro, thank you very much! |
| 09:30.22 | streuner | Ranpha1: backports.org has a 2.6.22 kernel (for etch), IIRC |
| 09:31.03 | dondelelcaro | dutchfish: np; good luck figuring out where your problem is |
| 09:31.51 | dutchfish | dondelelcaro, i know where it is, latencies, due the fact that all name_to_inode caches are lost and have to be fetched from disk again only to be quickly flushed again and again, but i dont know how to overcome them |
| 09:32.25 | dondelelcaro | dutchfish: what application is this? |
| 09:32.53 | dutchfish | dondelelcaro, mysql-server-5.0 |
| 09:33.02 | dondelelcaro | dutchfish: that can't be right |
| 09:33.11 | dutchfish | dondelelcaro, huge blobs |
| 09:33.16 | dondelelcaro | oh |
| 09:33.45 | nareshov | dutchfish, is it ext3 ? |
| 09:33.49 | dutchfish | dondelelcaro, yup |
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| 09:34.20 | dutchfish | dondelelcaro, kernel 2.6.22-4 |
| 09:34.44 | dutchfish | dondelelcaro, cfq |
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| 09:36.17 | PiousMinio1 | Is there a command to bring the computer,or just the display, out of sleep? |
| 09:36.31 | dutchfish | dondelelcaro, as long as i dont alter blobs (wich arent altered much anyway) the system is fine, the bobs are ~2...3x the mem size |
| 09:37.18 | dutchfish | dondelelcaro, my mem size i mean what mysql netto can claim |
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| 09:37.33 | dondelelcaro | dutchfish: it's really the kernel that's the question |
| 09:37.41 | dutchfish | dondelelcaro, yup |
| 09:37.48 | PiousMinio1 | exit |
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| 09:38.07 | SunDevil | i need c++ installed but i can't. Can someone help me get my packaged right? |
| 09:38.11 | SunDevil | http://paste.debian.net/43466 |
| 09:38.18 | SunDevil | *packages |
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| 09:38.31 | dondelelcaro | dutchfish: since it's the thing that'd be buffering and caching; but in any event, the name->inode stuff should be being hit all the time; I'd be really surprised if that's the entire problem. |
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| 09:39.28 | dutchfish | dondelelcaro, as i said i will delve further into it, but my guts tel me i am on the right track |
| 09:39.42 | dondelelcaro | SunDevil: what happens when you aptitude install g++-3.3? give us the apt-cache policy; output for each of the packages listed. |
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| 09:40.08 | SunDevil | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:40.35 | dutchfish | dondelelcaro, the funny thing is that with 2.6.18-5 the problem never lead to this, i will recompile the 2.6.22-4 without cfq and test it |
| 09:40.38 | grub___ | dondelelcaro, works now :) |
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| 09:40.54 | grub___ | thanks for the help dondelelcaro :) |
| 09:40.55 | xoz | SunDevil: you need to fix the dependencies. it will not complain if you upgraded properly. |
| 09:41.13 | SunDevil | xoz: yeh, well, i am beyond that now :) |
| 09:41.22 | SunDevil | how do i fix it? |
| 09:41.33 | xoz | SunDevil: see dondelelcaro comment |
| 09:41.43 | dondelelcaro | SunDevil: what does apt-cache policy g++-3.3 gcc-3.3; say? |
| 09:42.29 | SunDevil | dondelelcaro: http://paste.debian.net/43468 |
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| 09:43.16 | dondelelcaro | SunDevil: so aptitude install gcc-3.3=1:3.3.5-13; etc. |
| 09:43.52 | dondelelcaro | SunDevil: and keep repeating, ad infinitum, until you have either given up and upgraded to etch completely, or downgraded all of the affected packages and have learned not to partially upgrade systems. |
| 09:44.00 | SunDevil | lol |
| 09:44.01 | SunDevil | ok |
| 09:45.26 | streuner | sure, it works like a charm in sarge... |
| 09:45.31 | SunDevil | Version '1.3.3.5-13' for 'gcc-3.3' was not found |
| 09:45.39 | nocti | how do i directly install a .deb pkg? dpkg -i? |
| 09:45.39 | streuner | heh |
| 09:45.47 | dondelelcaro | SunDevil: : not . |
| 09:46.02 | tralala | SunDevil, don't (mis)type it - copy it |
| 09:46.02 | SunDevil | check |
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| 09:46.06 | wols_ | nocti: yes |
| 09:46.12 | SunDevil | yeh yeh gottit |
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| 09:46.16 | streuner | SunDevil: apt-get -s install g++ |
| 09:46.24 | streuner | SunDevil: apt-get install g++ |
| 09:46.34 | SunDevil | g++: Depends: g++-3.3 (>= 1:3.3.5-1) |
| 09:46.35 | streuner | without "-s", of course :-) |
| 09:46.43 | streuner | and? |
| 09:46.50 | SunDevil | g++-3.3: Depends: gcc-3.3 (< 1:3.3.6) |
| 09:47.01 | dondelelcaro | best of luck |
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| 09:47.30 | streuner | http://paste.debian.net/43469 |
| 09:47.58 | SunDevil | shall i get those versions? |
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| 09:48.20 | streuner | according to your libc6 version, it should just work |
| 09:48.47 | streuner | did you run "apt-get update"? |
| 09:48.50 | SunDevil | yeh |
| 09:48.57 | streuner | after you add security line? |
| 09:49.00 | SunDevil | yeh |
| 09:49.09 | SunDevil | installed all new stuff except the kernel |
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| 09:49.18 | streuner | hm, should be some other lib(s) which causes that then |
| 09:49.20 | SunDevil | i never should have installed kernel as a package :) |
| 09:49.29 | streuner | thats strange too.. |
| 09:49.48 | streuner | best would be, if you just upgrade to etch/stable |
| 09:49.57 | SunDevil | yeh,...best |
| 09:50.24 | streuner | Ist libc6-dev installed? |
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| 09:50.31 | streuner | s/Ist/is/ |
| 09:50.36 | dutchfish | nocti, yes |
| 09:50.43 | SunDevil | ii libc6-dev 2.3.2.ds1-22sarge6 |
| 09:50.55 | streuner | hm, just remove that |
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| 09:51.20 | streuner | it remove (almost) every dev package(s) then too... |
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| 09:51.28 | yang | I am using debian sid + drupal5 |
| 09:51.29 | yang | Warning: require_once(dbconfig.php) [function.require-once]: failed to open stream: Permission denied in /etc/drupal/5/sites/default/settings.php on line 93 |
| 09:51.35 | SunDevil | streuner: http://paste.debian.net/43470 |
| 09:51.42 | SunDevil | wont that break anything? |
| 09:51.54 | axscode | i have 1000 files on my /home/image with .JPG, i want to convert it using `convert` to .tiff, how to command to convert all .jpg to .tiff |
| 09:52.06 | streuner | SunDevil: no |
| 09:52.14 | SunDevil | ok, removed |
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| 09:52.24 | SunDevil | axscode: what program you use to convert? |
| 09:52.26 | streuner | SunDevil: it just remove all -dev packages, g++ and stuff |
| 09:52.34 | dwu | axscode: A very small shell script might do it. |
| 09:52.53 | dutchfish | dondelelcaro, installed 2.6.22-3 (had that one already) without cfq, gies what, problem solved, at least with a mysql-server-5.0 performance hit of ~7 - 8%, but thats better then a DoS .... |
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| 09:53.10 | SunDevil | streuner: right, so, now we can start from scratch? |
| 09:53.32 | streuner | well, almost :-) |
| 09:53.46 | streuner | SunDevil: apt-get install g++ |
| 09:53.47 | axscode | dwu: it says. its like convert *.jpg ${DONTKNOWHERE}.tiff |
| 09:54.01 | SunDevil | g++: Depends: g++-3.3 (>= 1:3.3.5-1) |
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| 09:54.40 | linomix | axscode: for a in *; do convert $a `echo $a | sed -e "s/JPG/tiff/"`; done |
| 09:55.02 | dutchfish | dondelelcaro, so i conclude at least that it has to do with the kernel, no alterations where made in mysql-server's setup |
| 09:55.03 | streuner | that would rename the files, not more |
| 09:55.14 | streuner | imagemagick should do that tric |
| 09:56.28 | axscode | linomix: something like that but its so simple the last time, its like, convert *.jpg ${$0.jpg}.tiff |
| 09:56.29 | SunDevil | streuner: no, 'convert' wil convert ir |
| 09:56.31 | SunDevil | *it |
| 09:56.34 | axscode | i relaly forgot... |
| 09:56.56 | streuner | SunDevil: oh, right, sorry |
| 09:57.05 | SunDevil | np, now back to my libs :) |
| 09:57.11 | SunDevil | g++: Depends: g++-3.3 (>= 1:3.3.5-1) |
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| 09:57.31 | streuner | SunDevil: apt-get -s install g++ (paste.debian.net) |
| 09:57.46 | SunDevil | yeh, did that, read my last line, thats the output |
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| 09:58.13 | SunDevil | http://paste.debian.net/43471 |
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| 09:58.51 | yang | I am using debian sid + drupal5 |
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| 09:58.56 | yang | Warning: require_once(dbconfig.php) [function.require-once]: failed to open stream: Permission denied in /etc/drupal/5/sites/default/settings.php on line 93 |
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| 09:59.31 | DawnLight | yang: don't install drupal with the packaging system |
| 09:59.51 | streuner | SunDevil: ok, just edit line 2 in your sources.list |
| 09:59.53 | yang | ah now you tell me |
| 09:59.57 | streuner | SunDevil: deb ftp://ftp.debian.nl/debian/ sarge main non-free contrib |
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| 10:00.14 | DawnLight | i don't know what the packager was thinking |
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| 10:00.37 | DawnLight | and yang - don't use sid |
| 10:00.55 | streuner | SunDevil: deb http://ftp.nl.debian.org/debian sarge main contrib non-free |
| 10:00.56 | yang | DawnLight: its too late for both |
| 10:01.27 | DawnLight | yang: it is never too late. well, it is actually but do you know why you shouldn't use sid? |
| 10:01.44 | yang | DawnLight: i had to use it, becouse i needed the package from sid |
| 10:02.17 | wols_ | yang: which one? |
| 10:02.19 | dutchfish | dondelelcaro, correction, problem not solved, it only got less worse .... |
| 10:02.20 | SunDevil | streuner: done. 'apt-get update'. upgrade |
| 10:02.29 | yang | wols_: GPLhost control panel |
| 10:02.41 | SunDevil | http://paste.debian.net/43472 |
| 10:02.48 | wols_ | yang: there are backports. and why would anyone need a web panel thingie? |
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| 10:03.00 | yang | ask my boss |
| 10:03.48 | streuner | SunDevil: put that package (kernel) on hold, unless you read debian-administration.org |
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| 10:04.50 | SunDevil | streuner: i put it on my to-read list, havent read it yet. how do i put it on hold? |
| 10:05.09 | streuner | !+tell SunDevil -about hold |
| 10:05.10 | dpkg | told SunDevil about hold. |
| 10:05.41 | tralala | aah, what a nice + thingie! |
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| 10:06.40 | DawnLight | yang: don't use sid. especially not for production and especially not for something that is important to you |
| 10:07.01 | SunDevil | ok. http://paste.debian.net/43473 |
| 10:07.24 | streuner | fine |
| 10:08.37 | tralala | yang, you better hope your boss won't blame you and make you work extra hours when everything breaks |
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| 10:10.59 | kornerr | where can i see contents of debian cds to decide which to download? |
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| 10:11.16 | streuner | !cd contents |
| 10:11.17 | dpkg | To find out what is on what cd, use the searchable index at http://www.debian.org/CD/jigdo-cd/#search or download the .jigdo template from the same location and zless fooimage.jigdo. In the [Parts] section you will see the list of packages that are contained in the cd. Also ask me about <cd contents sarge>. |
| 10:11.46 | SunDevil | streuner: so, should i downgrade some of those packages |
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| 10:11.49 | SunDevil | ? |
| 10:11.53 | streuner | kornerr: a working i-net connection would be enough, why do you think you need that? |
| 10:12.20 | streuner | SunDevil: well, just install what you like? |
| 10:12.36 | streuner | why downgrade? |
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| 10:13.38 | kornerr | damn |
| 10:13.50 | SunDevil | to get that shit installed |
| 10:13.53 | kornerr | how i can set certain language on that site? |
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| 10:14.32 | streuner | SunDevil: +vvv |
| 10:14.44 | SunDevil | yeh, sec |
| 10:16.14 | SunDevil | i need g++, depends on g++-3.3 (>= 1:3.3.5-1) which in turn depends on gcc-3.3 (< 1:3.3.6). i have gcc 3.3.6-7 |
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| 10:16.27 | SunDevil | should i downgrade gcc? |
| 10:16.41 | streuner | no, just remove that package too |
| 10:17.55 | SunDevil | gcc-3.3: Depends: cpp-3.3 (< 1:3.3.6) but 1:3.3.6-7 is to be installed |
| 10:18.16 | streuner | remove everything till you dont get any Depends-errors |
| 10:18.25 | streuner | everything! |
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| 10:19.20 | SunDevil | err,... |
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| 10:19.36 | SunDevil | it wants to remove 'apt' |
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| 10:19.44 | streuner | haha |
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| 10:20.34 | lbt | I just bought a PC running XP - what's that site that does a "1-click" install of Debian - I want to try it :) |
| 10:20.39 | lbt | (second hand PC) |
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| 10:21.23 | petemc | lbt: goodbye-windows or something like that |
| 10:21.48 | Romik | hello, I try to install nginx from standard repository and got an error. now, everytime, when I install or remove deb-pakege I get a rerror that nginx can't run and post-installation script is failed. I can't remove this packege, why? and what I must do? |
| 10:21.54 | lbt | ah - that's it - goodbye-microsoft |
| 10:22.07 | lbt | Ta |
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| 10:23.17 | SunDevil | streuner: im stuck http://paste.debian.net/43474 |
| 10:23.24 | extor | Which movie is this from? http://img125.imageshack.us/img125/4017/adminpl5.gif |
| 10:23.56 | SunDevil | rofl |
| 10:24.23 | lbt | hee-hee "to help protect your security, ie has prevented you downloading a file from this site..." |
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| 10:24.37 | Aciid | :D |
| 10:24.44 | extor | ermmm its imageshack |
| 10:24.48 | extor | and its jsut a gif |
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| 10:25.00 | extor | and virri work in windoze not nix |
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| 10:25.44 | PiousMinion | if "myscript.sh" outputs a crapload of text. Shouldn't "myscript.sh | bzip2 -z9c > myoutput.bz2" create a file larger than 0 bytes? |
| 10:25.44 | streuner | SunDevil: that doesnt make fun anymore, just upgrade to etch |
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| 10:26.27 | Narada | hi; how do i install all the dependencies of trac but not trac itself via apt? |
| 10:26.38 | dutchfish | dondelelcaro, back to the 2.6.22-4 cfq kernel with vm.vfs_cache_pressure=1 added to /etc/sysctl.conf solved it. I am now 100% sure its the kernel. Please your thoughts why? |
| 10:26.55 | streuner | SunDevil: if it wants remove basic packages (apt, aptitude), prolly some essential packages were upgraded in the past too |
| 10:27.03 | SunDevil | yehj |
| 10:27.10 | SunDevil | alright, ill leave it at this. |
| 10:27.19 | SunDevil | apt-get upgrade at least works now |
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| 10:27.48 | streuner | with that sources.list it looks only for security... |
| 10:28.05 | SunDevil | and sarge |
| 10:28.09 | streuner | no |
| 10:28.12 | streuner | !security |
| 10:28.13 | dpkg | Put "deb http://security.debian.org stable/updates main contrib non-free" in your /etc/apt/sources.list file to keep up-to-date on security updates in stable. Run "aptitude update" and "aptitude upgrade", or ask me about <testing security> or <unstable security> |
| 10:28.37 | nareshov | !unstable security |
| 10:28.37 | dpkg | rumour has it, unstable security is partial and unreliable, or http://www.debian.org/security/faq#testing |
| 10:28.42 | streuner | only for security.d.o and if there are upgraded packages (security issues) |
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| 10:29.14 | SunDevil | ok |
| 10:30.58 | streuner | We recommend etch then |
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| 10:31.44 | streuner | but read the article at debian-administration.org and <release notes> first |
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| 10:31.48 | SunDevil | ok |
| 10:31.53 | SunDevil | thanks for all the help |
| 10:31.58 | streuner | np |
| 10:32.02 | xoz | SunDevil: wow, you still have dependency hell. welcome to civilization. |
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| 10:32.54 | ctp_ | is it possible to run etch installation using most recent kernel? etch doesnt recognize my sata drives (intel g33 chipset). lenny works fine, so thought about installing etch upon lenny's kernel |
| 10:33.32 | streuner | SunDevil: wait |
| 10:33.40 | streuner | SunDevil: i told you crap |
| 10:34.03 | streuner | SunDevil: apt-get remove gcc-3.3-base remove on a working system (sarge) apt too... |
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| 10:34.54 | SunDevil | so i notices |
| 10:34.55 | SunDevil | *d |
| 10:35.01 | streuner | SunDevil: what happens if you run "apt-get install g++" again? |
| 10:35.06 | SunDevil | same |
| 10:35.14 | streuner | it would remove apt? |
| 10:35.15 | SunDevil | sed, ill rerun |
| 10:35.17 | SunDevil | *sec |
| 10:35.31 | SunDevil | g++: Depends: g++-3.3 (>= 1:3.3.5-1) |
| 10:35.43 | SunDevil | g++-3.3: Depends: gcc-3.3 (>= 1:3.3.5-13) |
| 10:35.53 | streuner | thats fine |
| 10:35.54 | SunDevil | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:36.04 | streuner | 1:3.3.5-13 is fine |
| 10:36.18 | SunDevil | cpp-3.3: Depends: gcc-3.3-base (< 1:3.3.6) |
| 10:36.44 | SunDevil | gcc-3.3-base is already the newest version. |
| 10:37.04 | SunDevil | and downgrading gcc-3.3 results in removing a lot of essential packages |
| 10:37.23 | streuner | hm |
| 10:37.49 | SunDevil | i have gcc-3.3-base 3.3.6-7 |
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| 10:38.37 | streuner | ii gcc-3.3-base 3.3.5-13 The GNU Compiler Collection (base package) |
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| 10:39.28 | SunDevil | yeh, thats the one i need |
| 10:39.32 | eljo__ | how can i find out whether i'm running a 32bit or 64bit kernel? |
| 10:40.38 | SunDevil | uname -r |
| 10:40.38 | SunDevil | ? |
| 10:40.42 | SunDevil | uname -a sorry |
| 10:41.12 | eljo__ | Linux linux 2.6.15.6 #1 Wed Mar 8 14:21:25 CET 2006 i686 GNU/Linux |
| 10:41.26 | PiousMinion | uname: extra operand `sorry' :P |
| 10:41.31 | SunDevil | lol |
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| 10:43.13 | Asusu | hello. is there an easy way to delete a file from a .deb package ? |
| 10:43.19 | streuner | SunDevil: i have another idea ;-) |
| 10:43.29 | streuner | SunDevil: How about to use backports.org? |
| 10:44.04 | streuner | hm, for sarge, i dunno if they still exists (packages) |
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| 10:45.39 | streuner | *shakes his head* - anyway, best thing would be to upgrade to etch - less headaches |
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| 10:48.16 | SunDevil | ok |
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| 10:51.06 | urv | Asusu: what do you want to do exactly? is dpkg-divert sufficent for your needs? |
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| 10:52.44 | Asusu | urv: I'm trying to install a package I've created with checkinstall from a .bin file, however it seems this .bin tries to install a file that conflicts already installed files, so then the dpkg -i mypkg.deb fails. I need to remove it from the .deb |
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| 10:55.01 | Asusu | urv: I guess that could do it, but I'd prefer a cleaner way, such as just plainly remove the conflicting file from the .deb file. |
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| 10:55.48 | Noboru | anyone is alive ? |
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| 10:59.39 | Baughn | Asusu: Well, you could just remove it. .debs are ar archives. |
| 11:00.33 | Asusu | I've been taking a quick look at man deb, it seems it uses special format, etc. Is this correct to just remote it from the archive? |
| 11:01.04 | urv | Asusu: do you know which file it is? |
| 11:01.12 | Asusu | yes |
| 11:01.24 | Baughn | Asusu: No problem. The format isn't that special - you'll figure it out if you extract one. |
| 11:04.07 | Asusu | Baughn: I don't think it is the correct method to just erase the file. For example I'm seeing there's a conffiles that lists configuration files. In my case the file I don't want to delete isn't there so maybe I can do. But aren't there commands to manipulate .deb? |
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| 11:04.24 | Asusu | * I want to delete |
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| 11:05.24 | Baughn | Asusu: Technically you're supposed to use dpkg-deb, but it'll just do the same thing |
| 11:05.42 | Baughn | Asusu: Practically, if there are no mentions of the file you delete anywhere /else/ in the archive, then deleting it doesn't hurt you.. |
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| 11:07.16 | urv | Asusu: maybe you should ask at the debian-devel channel what the best way it is? |
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| 11:12.29 | dm | Hello. I use dm-crypt for encrypting some partitions (not "/") with AES. The crypt devices are listed in /etc/crypttab and loaded when booting. How can I force Debian to use the kernel module aes-i586 instead of aes for the crypt devices? |
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| 11:13.00 | spq | can i install a recent debian version with "just" an old glibc? (glibc-2.2) |
| 11:13.04 | wols_ | Asusu: what file? |
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| 11:13.22 | spq | or which debian version has a glibc2.2? |
| 11:14.07 | mosty | spq, for what purpose? |
| 11:14.17 | triplc | (newbie need recommendation) Please recommend a web-based application that allowed collabolation using rich tech format (ODT,...) ? I think in windows it is Sharepoint... but I would like to use an open source code one |
| 11:14.39 | spq | mosty, i want to run a bad application ("psybnc") which crashes on newer glibcs |
| 11:14.41 | triplc | kindly recommend a good one |
| 11:14.48 | BaD-Laptop | docs.google.com ? |
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| 11:15.04 | Asusu | wols_: a file that seems to be installed from an application I downloaded in .bin format, I'd like to have it as a .deb |
| 11:15.23 | triplc | BaD-Laptop: google doc is something in public domain... please recommend one that I can install on my Debian Etch server |
| 11:15.26 | Asusu | wols_: it's not from the debian distro. nothing to do with it. |
| 11:15.34 | spq | mosty, other solution would be to create an sybnc binary which is statically linked against a 2.2 glibc, how can i do that? |
| 11:15.44 | BaD-Laptop | triplc: oohh, hmm... *thinking* |
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| 11:16.31 | mosty | spq, download the version of glibc you want, modify the sybnc makefile to link to it statically |
| 11:16.32 | triplc | Actually I am using a Wiki for that purpose... because Wiki allow many people to edit and change the contents of documents |
| 11:16.47 | nareshov | triplc, http://www.sophieproject.org/ |
| 11:17.06 | triplc | and Wiki has tracking of changes... But after all wiki is not rich text... so the editing function is limited |
| 11:17.34 | nareshov | can't be any richer ;P |
| 11:17.34 | triplc | nareshov, thanks... let me check |
| 11:18.04 | spq | mosty, hmm, download - from the gnu page or via apt? |
| 11:18.34 | mosty | i want to create some debian packages for amd64, but i don't have an amd64 dev box handy, is it easier to setup a cross compiler, or setup an amd64 install inside qemu (or similar)? |
| 11:18.52 | mosty | spq: gnu is probably easier |
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| 11:19.59 | nareshov | mosty, use build.opensuse.org :P |
| 11:20.41 | mosty | nareshov, hmm interesting |
| 11:21.06 | BaD-Laptop | sourceforge's build farms are nice as well |
| 11:22.10 | Sheogorath | So many people speaking at this hour. x) |
| 11:22.48 | BaD-Laptop | it's almost 3:30am and my alaram goes off in an hour and a half. :( |
| 11:23.57 | nareshov | 4:35pm here :P |
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| 11:26.37 | Sheogorath | 12:24pm here. |
| 11:26.45 | sauvin | 5:27 here. |
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| 11:26.58 | biz | is there a good network sound solution available so i can use one debian machine as a sound server connected to a hifi and pipe all sound from other machines over the network to it intead of to the local sound hardware (or dummy dsp)? something that can be used from windows clients too would be a plus... any ideas? |
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| 11:28.04 | mosty | biz: you can buy set-top-boxes that do that sort of thing |
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| 11:28.24 | BaD-Laptop | mpd |
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| 11:29.13 | sebdah | Ive got I server. How may I see if it's a Ubuntu or a debian server? |
| 11:29.29 | dutchfish | sebdah, cat /etc/debian_version |
| 11:29.31 | dhe | cat /etc/debian_version |
| 11:29.40 | sebdah | That says testing |
| 11:29.52 | sauvin | what about cat /etc/issue |
| 11:30.16 | dhe | also good :) |
| 11:30.25 | sebdah | sauvin: Ah, better. It says Ubuntu 6.06 LTS! |
| 11:30.39 | sebdah | Damn it. I asked for a Debian 4 =( |
| 11:30.50 | sebdah | thanks for the help guys |
| 11:31.57 | sauvin | ubuntu and debian are very similar. |
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| 11:32.07 | Sheogorath | And although differents. |
| 11:32.39 | sebdah | sauvin: yeah I know. But I want all servers to use the same os/dist. |
| 11:33.06 | sebdah | I have Ubuntu on my desktop though |
| 11:33.07 | BaD-Laptop | is there a comparison guide somewhere that shows some key differences between debian and ubuntu? |
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| 11:35.39 | Asusu | Baughn: dpkg-deb did the job just Ok. Thanks a lot. |
| 11:35.56 | SunDevil | im off |
| 11:35.58 | SunDevil | buh bye |
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| 11:36.46 | dhe | BaD-Laptop: look at wikipedia |
| 11:37.31 | dhe | BaD-Laptop: the main differences are not only the technics |
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| 11:45.02 | netgear | how does one find out what the latest kernel for debian is? |
| 11:45.25 | dutchfish | netgear, apt-cache search linux-image ? |
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| 11:45.38 | BaD-Laptop | s/search/policy/ |
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| 11:46.03 | netgear | im still having issues with 3g card so have no internet from linux,and need latest kernel to try and get card working |
| 11:46.20 | netgear | im on 2.6.18-5-686 now at the moment |
| 11:46.43 | dhe | this is the latest debian kernel i think |
| 11:46.45 | Zippy2 | nice. i got lenny and xp in vista in vmware |
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| 11:46.52 | netgear | BaD-Laptop, what s/search/policy? |
| 11:47.11 | Zippy2 | he said to do apt-cache policy linux-image |
| 11:47.18 | Zippy2 | replace search with policy |
| 11:47.26 | netgear | oh |
| 11:47.33 | Zippy2 | it's sed |
| 11:47.35 | Zippy2 | man sed |
| 11:48.11 | Zippy2 | s/firstsomething/secondsomething/ is general notation by nerds for replace first something with secondsomething |
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| 11:48.22 | netgear | is the kernels from kernel.org linux specific like in flavour or for all linux flavours? |
| 11:48.31 | Zippy2 | general |
| 11:48.42 | Zippy2 | debian and other distributions have packages for their own patches |
| 11:49.03 | netgear | so what effect will a kernel from kernel.org have on my system |
| 11:49.13 | Zippy2 | nothing until you compile and install it |
| 11:49.22 | Zippy2 | i would recommend against it |
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| 11:49.32 | Zippy2 | unless you have a) time b) patience c) backups |
| 11:49.47 | netgear | ok im new to linux so dont want to have to reinstall again,i have done it many times now allready |
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| 11:49.56 | dutchfish | d) the need for it |
| 11:50.02 | Zippy2 | dutche-: exactly |
| 11:50.04 | Zippy2 | dutchfish |
| 11:50.35 | netgear | ok,well on the forums for my card, people seem to get it up with 2.6.22x |
| 11:50.36 | Zippy2 | debian automatically comes with a kernel. if it didnt come with a kernel, it wouldnt be linux |
| 11:50.46 | netgear | i know that |
| 11:50.57 | dutchfish | !backports |
| 11:50.57 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, backport is a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and ABI complications. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-package.en.html#s-port or http://backports.org/ or http://www.apt-get.org/ or ask me about <simple sid backport> and <backport caveat>, or <backports.org> |
| 11:50.57 | Zippy2 | use backports packages or change to testing or unstable |
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| 11:51.13 | Zippy2 | i think unstable has it but testing doesnt |
| 11:51.17 | Zippy2 | (im using testing and its 2.6.18) |
| 11:51.28 | dutchfish | testing is now 2.6.22-4 |
| 11:51.42 | netgear | but those posts are old allready and they talk about 2.6.22x |
| 11:51.50 | netgear | ok but how unstable is unstable? |
| 11:51.56 | Zippy2 | netgear: the most unstable |
| 11:52.09 | Zippy2 | etch is the least unstable and testing is in the middle |
| 11:52.13 | netgear | so in short not something one would want to use if not neccessary? |
| 11:52.14 | Zippy2 | etch=stable |
| 11:52.29 | Zippy2 | netgear: correctly. recommended approach is backports (but its more work) |
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| 11:53.00 | dutchfish | netgear, use etch along with backports if you really in a need for a newer kernel. Saves you alot of trouble |
| 11:53.03 | Zippy2 | after you setup backports, all yo uhave to do is just install the 2.6.22 kernel from unstable and thats it |
| 11:53.04 | netgear | i need to learn reverse engineering and make my own drivers from win drivers |
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| 11:53.37 | Zippy2 | if you changed to unstable, you replace stable with unstable in sources.list and aptitude update and dist-upgrade (i think tihs is easier but not recommended) |
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| 11:54.21 | dutchfish | dont |
| 11:54.28 | Zippy2 | i know. i said not recommended |
| 11:54.34 | dutchfish | ;) |
| 11:54.44 | Zippy2 | see. reinforced 3 times |
| 11:54.59 | netgear | ok let me try the kernel approach |
| 11:55.03 | netgear | thanks for help |
| 11:55.07 | Zippy2 | backup! |
| 11:55.09 | Zippy2 | later |
| 11:55.10 | Zippy2 | afk |
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| 11:58.05 | Prasanna | hi , I want to know how to customize Debian-Installer Loader |
| 11:58.36 | capiira | any sid compiz user here? |
| 11:58.44 | Prasanna | could you please tell me tell the procedure how to do that ? |
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| 11:59.19 | capiira | few compiz fusion packages just joined sid but looks incomplete |
| 11:59.52 | dutchfish | how to obtain a complete list of all the entry's (not api) for my curent kernel for /etc/sysctl.conf? |
| 11:59.55 | Zippy2 | Prasanna: type expert when the installer starts and press enter |
| 11:59.57 | Zippy2 | or expertgui |
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| 12:00.50 | Prasanna | Zippy2 : could you please tell me clearly ? |
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| 12:01.15 | Zippy2 | Prasanna: no, but the debian installer documentation can (and possibly in your language) |
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| 12:02.39 | dutchfish | nvm, sysctl -A does that already, slap me |
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| 12:04.44 | wols_ | Prasanna: customizing it how? |
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| 12:07.49 | Prasanna | wols_: Whats the procedure for customization? |
| 12:09.14 | jirka_prace | hello all, does anybody here user pure-ftpd server please? |
| 12:09.51 | mosty | Prasanna, what do you need to customize? |
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| 12:10.26 | jirka_prace | erm *use |
| 12:10.30 | wols_ | Prasanna: answer my question first |
| 12:10.32 | Prasanna | wols_: I want to know how to do for other operating system? |
| 12:10.46 | wols_ | Prasanna: what other operating systems? |
| 12:10.53 | Prasanna | wols_: I need some documentation on this? |
| 12:10.56 | _Alix | like *buntu I guess |
| 12:11.04 | wols_ | and to do WHAT for other operating systems? |
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| 12:11.27 | puchu | hi |
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| 12:11.44 | wols_ | !it |
| 12:11.44 | dpkg | per aiuto in lingua italiana, provi il canale #debian-it sulla rete irc.freenode.net (non irc.debian.org). C'è anche il canale #linux-it là. |
| 12:11.46 | puchu | is a smaller shell then bash available for debian with a bash like shell prompt? |
| 12:11.51 | Prasanna | wols_: for any operating system if we want to do means? |
| 12:11.56 | mosty | puchu, ash |
| 12:12.03 | wols_ | !tell Prasanna about in |
| 12:12.09 | puchu | mosty but how do i get a nive shell prompt in ash? |
| 12:12.13 | puchu | nice |
| 12:12.32 | wols_ | either learn to express yourself in englsih better or ask a channel in your own language. we don't understand what you want and you are unable to answer our questions for clarification |
| 12:12.52 | mosty | puchu, if you want features, stick with bash |
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| 12:13.34 | zicho | Does anyone know a good way to convert ape to flac? |
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| 12:14.16 | capiira | anyone know if there is a way to check if the system has "obsolete/from debian server removed, discontinued" packages installed ? |
| 12:15.02 | wols_ | edborphan, dbefoster |
| 12:15.06 | wols_ | *deborphan |
| 12:15.41 | dutchfish | in dpkg-repack --arch=i686 procps, how can i sign it with my own key? |
| 12:15.41 | capiira | yeah but do they compare it with the mirrors? |
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| 12:19.37 | Prasanna | wols_:I want to know how to install debian from windows? |
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| 12:20.35 | grub | Prasanna, download the iso, burn it to a cd, and boot from it? |
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| 12:22.14 | dm | Hello. I use dm-crypt for encrypting some partitions (not "/") with AES. The crypt devices are listed in /etc/crypttab and loaded when booting. How can I force Debian to use the kernel module aes-i586 instead of aes for the crypt devices? |
| 12:22.27 | Prasanna | grub: I have studied about Debian-Installer Loader , there with out CD it is installing |
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| 12:22.50 | wols_ | Prasanna: google "goodbye-microsoft". It will isntall debian but isn't supportzed here. or as grub said, burn a Debian install CD and boot from it |
| 12:23.01 | dutchfish | dm, blacklist the wrong one? |
| 12:23.15 | Prasanna | grub: that procedure i want that procedure |
| 12:23.32 | wols_ | !in |
| 12:23.32 | dpkg | well, in is India, or #debianindia |
| 12:23.34 | jirka_prace | prasanna>this is imho impossible task, but if you want to have a dual boot machine with linux and windows operating systems, you have to install windows first and then install linux (from boot cd / dvd, network, ...). The order of installation steps (windows first) is important, because windows boot manager doesn't handle mutiple operating systems |
| 12:23.49 | jirka_prace | in master boot record |
| 12:23.59 | wols_ | jirka_prace: don't talk rubbish please. it'e easily possible |
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| 12:24.26 | wols_ | !tell jirka_prace about ask |
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| 12:25.06 | toad_ | are there more templates available for openoffice? i only see two templates in the default install, is there a package with more? |
| 12:25.43 | Prasanna | jirka_prace : in my system windows are there |
| 12:26.38 | wols_ | !tell toad_ about search |
| 12:26.59 | jirka_prace | prasanna>great, then burn debian installation cd / dvd, setup your bios to boot from cd / dvd - rom, insert the cd into cd - rom and follow the instructions on screen :) |
| 12:27.04 | ronr | I'm looking for a way to grab some video stream from the internet. stream it to a monitor and place text over it (semi realtime, several seconds delay is no problem), anyone knows a package that can do something like that? |
| 12:27.27 | wols_ | Prasanna: http://goodbye-microsoft.com/ |
| 12:27.36 | _Alix | ronr, I think vlc can do it |
| 12:28.05 | ronr | _Alix: I'll check it out |
| 12:28.09 | wols_ | _Alix: it can do realtime subtitles? |
| 12:28.12 | jirka_prace | well then, does anybody use pure-ftpd server here? |
| 12:28.19 | wols_ | !tell jirka_prace about ask |
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| 12:28.40 | _Alix | wols_, no idea, but its where I would go first |
| 12:28.46 | zicho | Does anyone know a good way to convert ape to flac? |
| 12:28.51 | jirka_prace | wols> ??? |
| 12:28.58 | mosty | zicho, just convert to wav first |
| 12:29.05 | zicho | mosty; how? |
| 12:29.07 | wols_ | jirka_prace: read the factoid dpkg messaged you |
| 12:29.31 | grub | !anyone |
| 12:29.31 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone uses <someprogram>. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use <someprogram>?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls> |
| 12:29.33 | mosty | zicho, i think there's an ape plugin for xmms or bmp, good luck finding it- ape is a dead end format these days |
| 12:30.43 | zicho | mosty: i know, but it was the only lossless format i could find... |
| 12:31.10 | mosty | zicho, find the ape website, they might have a small decoder binary |
| 12:31.14 | jirka_prace | ok, ok, i'm sorry, does anybody know if it's possible to set multiple logging format in pure-ftpd server at the time? |
| 12:31.17 | Eclipser | zicho, install ape package from marillat (iirc) and pipe ape decode output to stdout and use flac to encode the stdin |
| 12:31.19 | dutchfish | !flac |
| 12:31.20 | dpkg | it has been said that flac is the Free Lossless Audio Codec, gives 30-50% compression on PCM audio. See http://flac.sourceforge.net/ for details on the format, or apt-get install flac xmms-flac to try it out (if you have xmms, of course). |
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| 12:32.00 | dm | dutchfish: In /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist? I'll try, thank you. |
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| 12:32.26 | zophy | The Linux revolution begins... In Iowa, at Walmart. |
| 12:32.28 | zophy | haha |
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| 12:32.41 | dutchfish | !tell dm about blacklist |
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| 12:34.22 | mosty | when using dpkg-buildpackage, where does it get the package version information from? i put a Version: line in the control file, but it doesn't use that |
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| 12:34.54 | dutchfish | mosty, changes ? |
| 12:35.09 | dm | dutchfish: Thanks ;) |
| 12:35.25 | toad_ | apt-cache search template finds nothing ... i wonder if it's hidden away in some README somewhere? it seems incredible that a real office suite would only have two templates |
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| 12:35.58 | mosty | dutchfish, actually i think it takes it from debian/changelog - i'm just about to test my theory |
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| 12:42.03 | dutchfish | mosty, /debian/changlog |
| 12:42.03 | dutchfish | mosty, sorry for my typos |
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| 12:43.30 | dimir | Moin! |
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| 12:43.32 | Prasanna | What is Debian-Installer Loader ? |
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| 12:43.35 | mosty | prasanna: why don't you just use the standard debian install cd? |
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| 12:44.01 | mosty | dutchfish, looks like it is debian/changelog |
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| 12:44.10 | dutchfish | mosty, yes |
| 12:44.25 | Prasanna | mosty : i want to know what is this debian-installer loader |
| 12:44.33 | mosty | Prasanna, then ask mr google |
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| 12:45.37 | Prasanna | mosty : i have searched in google but i didnt get clear idea |
| 12:46.01 | Foofty | GRUB is REALLY slow, and I don't know why, last time I had it installed (booting Debian and XP) it was fine but now I am using it to boot (Debian, Vista and XP) suddenly it takes really long for 'Grub loading stage' to even appear on screen, anyone got any ideas? |
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| 12:46.17 | dutchfish | Prasanna, http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller |
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| 12:47.13 | Foofty | actually, GRUB doesn't boot XP, that is covered by the Vista loader |
| 12:48.03 | Jopie | I've got a debian box here, that had a wireless card which is connected to the internet and a wired network card... I'd like to connect it so that any box on the local network can connect through that box... how can I do that? |
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| 12:48.36 | _Alix | Jopie, iptables can forward it I think |
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| 12:50.22 | wols_ | !tell Jopie about ipmasq |
| 12:51.25 | wols_ | Prasanna: the default debian bootloader is grub. grub loads the first sector of the Windows partition which in turn loads windows as usual |
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| 12:52.35 | grub | heh, i think hes asking how that goodbye-microsoft thing works |
| 12:53.01 | Prasanna | wols_: Is it a net boot approach ? |
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| 12:53.43 | wols_ | Prasanna: it installs a very small debian in a free partition, then reboots to that partition and downloads debian like a businesscard CD yes, over the internet |
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| 12:55.11 | wols_ | Prasanna: it will only work if you have a working internet connection to the internet. it's a businesscard CD install without a CD basically |
| 12:55.35 | dutchfish | wols_, i hope mums will not find and click that link ;) |
| 12:56.00 | wols_ | dutchfish: which one? |
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| 12:56.16 | Prasanna | wols_: In debian installer loader if we double click the .exe file it installs debian ? |
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| 12:56.37 | Prasanna | wols_: How it is installing ? |
| 12:56.41 | dutchfish | wols_, http://goodbye-microsoft.com/ |
| 12:57.15 | wols_ | Prasanna: I just told you how |
| 12:57.25 | wols_ | dutchfish: what's bad if debian spreads? :) |
| 12:57.37 | Prasanna | wols_:ok net boot approach ? |
| 12:57.48 | wols_ | Prasanna: no net boot |
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| 12:57.55 | dutchfish | wols_, oh oh mm... nothing ... but it can get busy on the channel ;) |
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| 12:58.19 | wols_ | it installs a kernel in a free space on your harddisk and then reboots to start from there. then the kernel and userland in that free partition downloads debian |
| 12:59.38 | dutchfish | wols_, Prasanna http://svn.debian.org/wsvn/d-i/trunk/packages/arch/i386/win32-loader/ |
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| 13:04.40 | [Naigovan] | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:04.56 | JDahl | isn't there a mount.cifs command on Debian Sid? and if so, what package provides it? |
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| 13:05.33 | Agiofws | hello |
| 13:05.48 | Agiofws | have you seen xingu ? |
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| 13:06.22 | dutchfish | seen? |
| 13:06.34 | Skaag | anyone knows of a good resource I can use to test a new sysadmin? :-) |
| 13:06.50 | Skaag | there was some kind of "broken" unix distribution (on purpose) |
| 13:06.54 | Prasanna | wols_: i have seen that source i didnt understand clearly |
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| 13:07.11 | dutchfish | Skaag, LPI cert I & II |
| 13:07.43 | Skaag | that's too heavy... I wanna test the guy within no more than 2 hours tops |
| 13:07.49 | Skaag | but will check this out |
| 13:07.55 | wols_ | !tell JDahl about search |
| 13:08.21 | dutchfish | Skaag, LPI is pretty basic stuff, at least he should have that skill |
| 13:08.26 | wols_ | !seen xingu |
| 13:08.26 | dpkg | xingu <n=xingu@cl-1387.ams-04.nl.sixxs.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 18h 29m 53s ago, saying: 'Eulex: but there's definitely a cleaner fix than that, I'm sure of it'. |
| 13:08.34 | Skaag | cool |
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| 13:14.22 | dutchfish | Skaag, there are even online examinations for testing on LPI I |
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| 13:19.30 | dutchfish | Skaag, http://www.oreilly.com/catalog/lpicertnut/ |
| 13:20.39 | Skaag | I found one, copying questions from it... very nice stuff actually |
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| 13:20.59 | dutchfish | Skaag, yup, no frills and it cuts to the cheese |
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| 13:21.21 | Skaag | yah, I really like it |
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| 13:23.59 | Penix | !ping |
| 13:23.59 | dpkg | pong |
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| 13:25.22 | Asmooh | X: warning; process set to priority -1 inside of requested priority 0 :/ |
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| 13:26.07 | Jopie | I've got a windows box that is connecting to the internet/local network through a debian box.. |
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| 13:26.26 | Jopie | another windows box needs to connect to the windows box connected through the debian box... |
| 13:26.30 | Agiofws | ? |
| 13:27.00 | Jopie | it won't though, but I can connect to the debian box fine from the other windows box... |
| 13:27.21 | Jopie | any ideas? |
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| 13:28.49 | dennis46446464 | I resintalled debian to the stable branch. I got a partion sda3 whoch was encrypted with all data (not home or root) in the installer i didn;t do anything with it. Now i want to open it it gives me command failed. Has the installer rewritten partion data and can it be saved? |
| 13:29.02 | Agiofws | Jopie, can you set out your topology ? |
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| 13:30.33 | Jopie | sorry yeah, it's a littel confusing... WIndows box (a) is connecting to the wireless network through debian box (b). On the wireless network is also another windows box (c). I'd like to use SMB shares and connect to a from c... |
| 13:30.40 | Jopie | is that clearer? |
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| 13:31.10 | gamag | when I open OpenOffice Math, I see only a blank page, how do I bring the grid for rows and columns? |
| 13:31.16 | wols_ | Jopie: I already told you what to do |
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| 13:31.36 | wols_ | as for the 2nd windows box: not a debian problem. ask a windows channel |
| 13:31.37 | Jopie | yeah, I have IP masquerading setup with iptables and the works |
| 13:31.53 | Jopie | the problem is that SMB connections aren't going through... |
| 13:32.09 | wols_ | the problem doesn't matter here since we don't care what problems you have with windows |
| 13:32.25 | wols_ | and since the intermediate PC is a windows one i's not a debian problem |
| 13:32.33 | Jopie | it's not a windows problem: it's debian which isn't passing on the SMB connection |
| 13:32.43 | Jopie | no, I think you understood wrong |
| 13:32.49 | Foofty | so your windows shares from one machine aren't being passed on through your debian machine |
| 13:32.57 | Jopie | exactly... |
| 13:32.59 | wols_ | how are you doing your NAT? |
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| 13:33.17 | wols_ | what are the IPs of the machines involved? |
| 13:33.36 | Jopie | "iptables -t nat -A POSTROUTING -o ath0 -j MASQUERADE" is what I used to setup the NAT |
| 13:33.47 | gamag | the blank window has Untitled1 - OpenOffice.org Math as caption, one "Selection" tool bar detached and floating in the blank area. and two panes, both blank |
| 13:33.48 | wols_ | Jopie: don't. use ipmasq |
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| 13:34.23 | gamag | now how can I bring the Excel type grid and start calculations |
| 13:34.37 | dennis46446464 | Can somebody help me with dhcp . i followed the guides but my machine can't get a ip address of my dhcp server |
| 13:34.51 | wols_ | dennis46446464: pastebin your interfaces file |
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| 13:35.31 | dutchfish | gamag, offtopic, but probably File-> New ? |
| 13:35.54 | gamag | dutchfish: i found the problem. I am using Math, but it comes with Calc |
| 13:36.04 | gamag | how can I install openoffice calc on debian? |
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| 13:36.20 | wols_ | gamag: like any other package |
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| 13:36.27 | dwu | Search, install, run? |
| 13:36.36 | stew | gamag: aptitude install openoffice.org-calc |
| 13:36.40 | dennis46446464 | wols_ http://pastebin.com/m6c526632 |
| 13:37.07 | stew | dennis46446464: does a static ip work but not dhcp? |
| 13:37.20 | hipodilski | guys after samba and samba-common upgrade my mounts through smbfs stopped working correctly |
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| 13:37.34 | dennis46446464 | stew no static doesn't work either |
| 13:37.50 | hipodilski | the share mounts fine but when trying to list some directory it hangs |
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| 13:38.05 | hipodilski | somebody has experienced similar probmels using smbclient it works fine |
| 13:38.08 | wols_ | hipodilski: checked your logs? what debian branch? |
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| 13:38.41 | stew | dennis46446464: how are you connected? ethernet? do you have a link light on the ethernet card? |
| 13:38.55 | hipodilski | wols_: stable |
| 13:39.09 | hipodilski | wols_: logs tell me nothing which may be of use |
| 13:39.25 | wols_ | hipodilski: which logs did you check? |
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| 13:39.47 | dennis46446464 | stew mmmm that's odd i thought it was stupid but checked it anyway...the eth0 is on eth1 is off which is my lan.... |
| 13:40.10 | hipodilski | wols_: the samba logs |
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| 13:40.34 | hipodilski | cifs works correctly but there is another problem with cifs |
| 13:40.50 | XoX | anyone know an equivalent of hdparm only for sata ? |
| 13:40.52 | hipodilski | the text editor things that the file has been overwritten all the time |
| 13:41.05 | XoX | or it already works with sata |
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| 13:41.31 | dennis46446464 | stew i get link is not ready the whole time |
| 13:41.32 | cusco | XoX: hdparm works with sata |
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| 13:41.44 | cusco | of course ide has settings that sata doesn't |
| 13:41.46 | Penix | !spank libata |
| 13:41.54 | dwu | o.o |
| 13:41.56 | dwu | kinky. |
| 13:41.59 | XoX | sata is ide |
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| 13:42.13 | Penix | if you say so |
| 13:42.14 | dutchfish | XoX, http://packages.debian.org/etch/admin/blktool |
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| 13:44.28 | XoX | never mind |
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| 13:45.13 | thyko | how do i make a user's home directory only readable and writable to them? |
| 13:45.16 | thyko | ie, users should be alble to 'ls' each others directories |
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| 13:45.57 | thyko | hello |
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| 13:46.21 | clamiax | thyko: chmod(1) |
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| 13:47.48 | thyko | clamiax: camoon |
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| 13:48.34 | clamiax | Gee... I don't know what camoon means... |
| 13:48.46 | dutchfish | me neither |
| 13:49.13 | clamiax | it's an alias for "come on", i guess. |
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| 13:50.00 | clamiax | (or for "please, tell me exactly what i have to type" :P) |
| 13:50.01 | crossd | what's the difference of debian and ubuntu for the desktop user? |
| 13:50.08 | spq | !lol |
| 13:50.09 | dpkg | If you want to laugh, use heh or hah or bwahahaha. lol doesn't sound like laughter at all and makes you look like an AOL user. |
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| 13:50.46 | wols_ | crossd: debian has less RC bugs |
| 13:50.49 | clamiax | also the IRCnet notation "ahuahua" or "aheuaeuhaeuh" is fine. |
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| 13:51.37 | crossd | worls_: RC? |
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| 13:51.53 | wols_ | !rc |
| 13:51.53 | dpkg | from memory, rc is Release-critical, or Release Candidate |
| 13:51.54 | xoz_ | crossd: from the surface, not much. just don't bother bringing ubuntu issues/problems here. |
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| 13:53.49 | crossd | no i want the info for a presentation |
| 13:54.05 | crossd | and i want to refer to differences between ubuntu and debian |
| 13:54.34 | wols_ | do your own homework |
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| 13:54.40 | clamiax | crossd: Ubuntu is Debian based, not critical differences *can* exists. |
| 13:55.18 | dutchfish | !ubuntu |
| 13:55.18 | dpkg | Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu (irc.freenode.net) instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. |
| 13:55.20 | clamiax | crossd: just read about the installer and some X stuff. |
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| 13:56.09 | crossd | ok then put it that way: why do you people prefer debian on the desktop |
| 13:56.35 | clamiax | crossd: because it have apt. No other relevants reasons here. |
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| 13:57.22 | puchu | hi |
| 13:57.23 | crossd | no i mean instead of ubuntu |
| 13:57.34 | puchu | i use vnstat and it semms to create wrong statistics |
| 13:57.42 | puchu | how can this get fixed? |
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| 13:58.14 | clamiax | crossd: never used it, never liked fork and only trust custom system (not full-useless-featured distros) |
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| 13:58.31 | clamiax | crossd: maybe #ubuntu may by helpful. |
| 13:58.32 | crossd | thanks clamiax |
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| 13:58.38 | engla | I'm sending in an email to file an ITP bug, should I sign it? |
| 13:58.41 | clamiax | crossd: np |
| 13:58.55 | clamiax | puchu: what "wrong" mean? |
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| 13:59.49 | sep | crossd, it's not owned by a company, it have a larger set of packages, and those packages work on more architectures, and the packages have better qa. And it makes sense to use the same on the desktop as i use on the server to make it easier to try things out, |
| 13:59.50 | Ronin | crossd: perhaps try ##linux for various reasons as well? |
| 14:00.05 | sep | crossd, and it have a longer track record |
| 14:00.10 | dennis5345345354 | Stew got the problem gatewat in the static address was wrong. dhcp works now |
| 14:00.28 | sep | crossd, saner release cyckle |
| 14:00.43 | crossd | ok thanks! those were great sep |
| 14:00.50 | dutchfish | crossd, you should read this: http://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ |
| 14:00.51 | puchu | clamiax the statistics are wrong |
| 14:01.00 | stew | crossd: /msg dpkg sc |
| 14:01.07 | sep | crossd, better support on irc and mailinglist for slightly more advanced then "where is the any key" questions |
| 14:01.07 | clamiax | puchu: define "wrong". |
| 14:01.12 | puchu | clamiax to low |
| 14:01.20 | stew | crossd: you'll find that ubuntu has a much diferrent focus from debian's social contract |
| 14:01.31 | sep | crossd, the debian guidelines |
| 14:01.31 | puchu | ifconfig menas 1,5gb tranferd |
| 14:01.39 | puchu | and vnstat says 50mb |
| 14:01.52 | puchu | @clamiax |
| 14:01.53 | sep | crossd, besicaly there are so many reasons its not even a valid question imho |
| 14:02.14 | DJ-Marcuzz | im going nuts, i know i have installed a tool that shows me disk activety per disk, network activity per iinterface, mem usage and all. it its an console tool, and i forgot the command, does anyone know witch tool i mean? |
| 14:02.47 | dutchfish | !top |
| 14:02.47 | dpkg | well, top is a command to "display top CPU processes," but top can handle more ('man top' for more info). Try: `top' and to quit, just 'q';; The Other Peter |
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| 14:03.21 | clamiax | puchu: what does ifconfig transfers have to do with virtual memory statistics? |
| 14:03.21 | dennis5345345354 | Okay another bigger problem. When installing debian something went wrong with my extra encrypted drive. Now i get command failed the whole time when i try to open it. Are there any rescue attempts possible? |
| 14:03.24 | DJ-Marcuzz | dutchfish, that is the problem, it wasnt top, it was a slichtly different tool that was a bit better |
| 14:03.29 | dwu | DJ-Marcuzz: Also iftop |
| 14:03.32 | dennis5345345354 | Okay another bigger problem. When installing debian something went wrong with my extra encrypted drive. Now i get command failed the whole time when i try to open it. Are there any rescue attempts possible? |
| 14:03.39 | dwu | (which shows network activity, but not mem usage) |
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| 14:03.47 | xoz_ | crossd: tried ubuntu before and there are some things that you'll gonna find inconvenient after using ubuntu... especially in programming. desktopwise, not much difference but if you do commandline stuffs and using libraries or development stuffs, debian has better support. ubuntu focuses on the desktop... not really the entire unix/linux issues/capabilities. |
| 14:04.41 | DJ-Marcuzz | well the tool i meant is one that shows it al, not in great detail, but an overview |
| 14:05.28 | xand | !speedtouch |
| 14:05.32 | xand | bah |
| 14:05.55 | dwu | Start grepping dpkg -l, then. Or something. |
| 14:06.17 | dwu | (I think) we aren't apt-cache search. |
| 14:06.30 | dutchfish | DJ-Marcuzz, there are so many, maybe here for a quick overview: http://www.debianhelp.co.uk/tools1.htm |
| 14:06.45 | xand | dwu: who are you talking to? |
| 14:06.54 | xoz_ | clueless |
| 14:07.00 | dwu | xand: Not you. |
| 14:07.15 | xand | right. |
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| 14:08.16 | xoz_ | heh |
| 14:08.23 | xand | !comfort xoz_ |
| 14:08.23 | dpkg | There, there, xoz_. It's OK. I'm here for you. |
| 14:08.29 | xand | :D |
| 14:08.38 | DJ-Marcuzz | the stupid thing is, it is installed on the machine in front of me, isn't there a way to see what i installed? :P |
| 14:08.52 | dwu | DJ-Marcuzz: Yes, "start grepping dpkg -l" |
| 14:09.10 | dwu | You could always review your command history to see what you installed recently. |
| 14:09.13 | Asmooh | i think my ram is broken :P |
| 14:09.22 | stew | DJ-Marcuzz: /var/log/dpkg.log |
| 14:09.30 | dutchfish | DJ-Marcuzz, dpkg -l | grep "something" |
| 14:09.31 | dwu | Some graphical frontend to the package management will also show things marked as "installed", etc. |
| 14:09.33 | xoz_ | DJ-Marcuzz: you know the program? you can use apt-file search </usr/bin/program> and you will know the package it belongs |
| 14:09.44 | dwu | xoz_: He doesn't; that's the point. |
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| 14:09.57 | xoz_ | dwu: oh... |
| 14:10.02 | tarzeau | did i say i absolutely HATE firefox? |
| 14:10.04 | dwu | xoz_: Yes. |
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| 14:10.34 | eth01 | raw data has been sent into a /dev/sda ... what should i do? :/ |
| 14:10.38 | eth01 | in blocks of 128 |
| 14:10.46 | xoz_ | DJ-Marcuzz: goto /var/lib/dpkg/info ... ls -ltr *.list .. it shows sorted list of recent files you downloaded |
| 14:10.58 | DJ-Marcuzz | ok thx, im currectly reading trough it :P |
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| 14:12.31 | stew | DJ-Marcuzz: if you want a list of recently installed packaegs, just look throught the log |
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| 14:13.27 | LinuxHelp | Is there any way I can speed up a loopback tcp connection? Its a vnc connection. |
| 14:13.36 | xoz_ | good thing about debian package management is it's text-based... rpm is bad. you cannot use the power of text processing tools in linux |
| 14:13.44 | wols_ | LinuxHelp: why vnc over loopback? makes no sense |
| 14:13.55 | LinuxHelp | wols_, its xrdp |
| 14:14.17 | xoz_ | dwu: can i pm you? |
| 14:14.24 | dwu | By all means, xoz_. |
| 14:14.34 | puchu | clamiax i created a new vnstat lib for my two eth devices |
| 14:14.37 | puchu | and restarted |
| 14:14.46 | puchu | downloaded 100mb and uploaded 100mb |
| 14:14.54 | puchu | but the statistics show 0 mb upload |
| 14:15.00 | puchu | after i do a vnstat-i |
| 14:15.04 | puchu | after i do a vnstat -u |
| 14:15.08 | DeathWolf | hum, anyone knows of an ftp client that supports directory mirroring with wildcards?(ie "mirror Ab*" to copy all directories starting with Ab) |
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| 14:16.32 | DJ-Marcuzz | GOT IT! its called saidar! |
| 14:16.32 | Haris | Hello guys |
| 14:16.44 | Haris | Is there a way to check is the raid supported by the system is software or hardware based? |
| 14:17.20 | LinuxHelp | Haris, you have an existing debian installation? |
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| 14:17.31 | Haris | LinuxHelp: Yep |
| 14:17.44 | Haris | ..also please point me to the article/docs for creating a raid 1+0 with etch |
| 14:17.48 | Haris | I have etch on this box |
| 14:18.01 | xoz_ | DeathWolf: lftp |
| 14:18.14 | LinuxHelp | Haris, sorry, cant help |
| 14:18.15 | xoz_ | DeathWolf: it can do in parallel also |
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| 14:18.27 | DeathWolf | lftp cant do wildcards with mirror |
| 14:18.34 | DeathWolf | which is the only function in it that accepts directories |
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| 14:24.53 | sandguy | Does KompoZer have an IRC channel on freenode? |
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| 14:26.56 | moshii | Whats's the right keymap for Japanese intel-based apple machines? |
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| 14:29.07 | twobitsprite | hello |
| 14:29.23 | twobitsprite | I just recently reinstalled debian and I'm having problems getting X to work |
| 14:29.38 | abrotman | twobitsprite: such as? |
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| 14:30.14 | twobitsprite | doh... hold on while I install gpm :P |
| 14:30.43 | twobitsprite | I get "(WW) I810: No matching Device section for instance (BusID PCI:0:2:1) found" |
| 14:31.20 | twobitsprite | but I when I add the BusID line for that device it complains that I don't have a device for PCI:0:2:0 (which is my other display) |
| 14:31.31 | wols_ | twobitsprite: lspci outout? |
| 14:31.39 | abrotman | don't specifiy the bus |
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| 14:31.49 | wols_ | *output |
| 14:31.50 | twobitsprite | when I don't specify the bus I get the same error |
| 14:32.04 | twobitsprite | 00:02.1 Display controller: Intel Corporation Mobile 945GM/GMS/940GML Express Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 03) |
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| 14:33.00 | junix|work | did a new ATI driver come out?? |
| 14:33.01 | abrotman | is this etch or lenny/sid? |
| 14:33.04 | wols_ | twobitsprite: when you put nothing in there it says PCI:0:2:1? with the third : not just . ? |
| 14:33.06 | abrotman | junix|work: come out where? |
| 14:33.10 | twobitsprite | this is stable |
| 14:33.11 | junix|work | from ATI |
| 14:33.17 | junix|work | i tyhink it did |
| 14:33.19 | wols_ | junix|work: why do you ask us? |
| 14:33.28 | junix|work | cause i can |
| 14:33.40 | wols_ | you can also check ati.com yourself |
| 14:33.40 | abrotman | junix|work: ask #ati or ati.com .. |
| 14:33.44 | twobitsprite | wols_: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg doesn't like me putting it in the 2.1 format, it wants it in 2:1 |
| 14:33.45 | junix|work | ok |
| 14:33.47 | DJ-Marcuzz | hhmm, im trying to run winrar, and it gves me: /lib/tls/libc.so.6: version `GLIBC_2.4' not found (required by unrar) where do i get that version of glibc? |
| 14:34.12 | wols_ | DJ-Marcuzz: winrar? |
| 14:34.26 | wols_ | DJ-Marcuzz: you know this is debian, why would there be a winrar? |
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| 14:34.34 | DJ-Marcuzz | wols_, yeah, need it for an script..... |
| 14:34.45 | wols_ | DJ-Marcuzz: doesn't answer the question. |
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| 14:35.00 | DJ-Marcuzz | becaus im running debian, and its complaining about the system its running on |
| 14:35.07 | DeathWolf | doh, gftp-text is so broken :/ "mget Ab*" does the proper operation exept the resume gets all broken and non working:/ |
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| 14:35.18 | wols_ | DJ-Marcuzz: winrar is not part of debian, is it? |
| 14:35.19 | twobitsprite | DJ-Marcuzz: are you sure you're trying to run "winrar" and not "unrar"? |
| 14:35.24 | Ronin | DeathWolf: why not just aptitude install unrar |
| 14:35.32 | DeathWolf | ? |
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| 14:35.45 | Ronin | oops bad tab complete DeathWolf |
| 14:35.48 | CppIsWeird | vi have two computers, each having two interfaces. Computer A has two lan ports, one connected to router, one connected to Computer B via switch cable. Computer B has wireless -> router and Switch cable to Computer A. I want to create two networks (i think) so that i can transfer files over the switch cable via samba very quickly (they are gigabit interfaces, router is not) How do i accomplish this? |
| 14:35.51 | DJ-Marcuzz | Ronin, there is o package unrar, just the free version that gives me some errors |
| 14:36.03 | stew | DJ-Marcuzz: this means that whatever software you are trying to use hasn't been compiled for your version of debian, i'd guess that you are running stable and this was compiled for testing or later. you should recompile whichever program gives you that error, or find a version that is compiled with more appropriate libraries |
| 14:36.05 | Ronin | DJ-Marcuzz: unrar is in non-free iirc |
| 14:36.36 | DJ-Marcuzz | ronin, could you tell me how to get it then? :) |
| 14:36.38 | stew | unrar is non-free unrar-free is free |
| 14:36.46 | streuner | !find unrar |
| 14:36.48 | stew | DJ-Marcuzz: aptitude install unrar ; /msg dpkg non-free |
| 14:36.58 | DJ-Marcuzz | ok thx |
| 14:36.59 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'unrar' (4): (/usr/bin/unrar-free) in utils/unrar-free ;; (/usr/bin/unrar-nonfree) in non-free/utils/unrar ;; (/usr/share/doc/bash/completion-contrib/unrar) in shells/bash ;; (/usr/share/fish/completions/unrar.fish, /usr/share/fish/functions/__fish_complete_unrar.fish) in shells/fish. |
| 14:37.03 | wols_ | CppIsWeird: the two NICs connected to switch should be in the same subnet, that's all. |
| 14:37.08 | wols_ | !tell CppIsWeird about interfaces |
| 14:37.25 | wols_ | CppIsWeird: use static IPs |
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| 14:38.04 | ampex_ | Does anyone know if I should be able to dd block devices ( hard drives in this case ) to one another and boot them? Is this the best way to copy a disk under linux? |
| 14:38.32 | Agiofws | hey |
| 14:38.49 | DJ-Marcuzz | ok, you can run 'make install' but is there an sort of 'make uninstall'?? |
| 14:38.58 | Agiofws | any changes you guys can save me from not switching to ubuntu form etch ? |
| 14:39.00 | Agiofws | chances* |
| 14:39.04 | Agiofws | chance* |
| 14:39.21 | abrotman | Agiofws: it'll grow hair on your palms? |
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| 14:39.36 | sep | Agiofws, with that kind of problem description, not a change at all, you just have to switch |
| 14:40.01 | stew | Agiofws: what exactly are you talking about? |
| 14:40.02 | Agiofws | abrotman, you can help me fix my touchpad as simple as ubuntu makes it work |
| 14:40.21 | stew | Agiofws: have you tried a debian kernel? |
| 14:40.27 | Agiofws | stew, yes |
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| 14:40.35 | stew | Agiofws: how is the touchpad connected? |
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| 14:40.47 | Agiofws | ISA ? serio ? |
| 14:41.01 | stew | Agiofws: to a serial port connected to an isa bus? |
| 14:41.19 | Agiofws | I: Bus=0011 Vendor=0002 Product=0008 Version=7325 |
| 14:41.19 | Agiofws | N: Name="AlpsPS/2 ALPS GlidePoint" |
| 14:41.19 | Agiofws | P: Phys=isa0060/serio1/input0 |
| 14:41.27 | Agiofws | thats how ubuntu sees it |
| 14:41.32 | Foofty | does anyone know why banshee might crash when i try to play the radio? |
| 14:41.46 | Agiofws | Foofty, bug in code ? |
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| 14:42.24 | Agiofws | but debina sees it as a simple mosue device |
| 14:42.40 | Agiofws | something got to do withthe psmouse driver ? |
| 14:42.42 | Foofty | Agiofws: it worked fine up until a while ago when i added a custom radio station |
| 14:42.59 | Foofty | i also had this problem in x64 lenny |
| 14:43.08 | Foofty | now in i386 :( |
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| 14:43.36 | Agiofws | stew, no ideas heh ? |
| 14:43.48 | Foofty | i'll try compiling it myself ^^ |
| 14:43.52 | abrotman | !synaptics |
| 14:43.52 | dpkg | i heard synaptics is a driver for the touchpad on many laptops for synaptics support in x install xfree86-driver-synaptics or xserver-xorg-input-synaptics and "man synaptics" for the driver options, if its not working try "modprobe -r psmouse ; modprobe psmouse". also see http://w1.894.telia.com/~u89404340/touchpad/index.html |
| 14:43.59 | CppIsWeird | wols_: that was the first thing i did, i assinged them to 192.2.1.2 and 192.2.1.3 |
| 14:44.02 | abrotman | eep .. that's probably outdated |
| 14:44.04 | xoz_ | DJ-Marcuzz: apt-file search |
| 14:44.22 | nvz | probably? |
| 14:44.24 | CppIsWeird | every time i try to ping the other one, i get ping: sendmsg: Operation not permitted |
| 14:44.32 | DJ-Marcuzz | xoz_ is that the solution to do an make remove? |
| 14:44.49 | Agiofws | abrotman, thats noting got to do with it |
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| 14:44.56 | dewszaq | Is it possible to create lvm on disks with data without loosing it? |
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| 14:45.07 | abrotman | Agiofws: ? |
| 14:45.08 | stew | Agiofws: how is the touchpad physically connected to your computer? is it a laptop? |
| 14:45.15 | ampex_ | dewszaq: not without copying it off and back again |
| 14:45.17 | xoz_ | DJ-Marcuzz: ignore it. wrong window |
| 14:45.18 | Agiofws | yes its a laptop |
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| 14:45.23 | Ohmu | I've just run dc++ and it s giving me 'Connect to a hub: Connect to address: ' dialog box... how do i find an address to put in? |
| 14:45.30 | abrotman | Agiofws: does it work at all? or just incorrectly? |
| 14:45.30 | Agiofws | how do i know |
| 14:45.39 | Agiofws | incorectly |
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| 14:45.47 | Agiofws | it just works as a simple mouse |
| 14:45.55 | abrotman | so it doesn't do the scroll stuff? |
| 14:46.00 | Agiofws | its not recognized as an ALPS touchpad |
| 14:46.02 | Kamyk_^ | i want to install own apt repo. but which one is better debarchiver or reprepro? maybe sth. other? |
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| 14:46.04 | Agiofws | yes |
| 14:46.11 | stew | Agiofws: have you checked the urls in "/msg dpkg laptops" for people running debian on similar laptops? |
| 14:46.11 | nvz | Ohmu: why would you use a direct connect client if you don't know of a server |
| 14:46.21 | nvz | Ohmu: use gift or limewire |
| 14:46.26 | dennis5345345354 | Can somebody help me with a lost encrypted partion? |
| 14:46.27 | tango_ | hello all, I'm having a very weird problem in one of my debian installations (testing/unstable kept up to date): when I run certain aptitude commands such as search or safe-upgrade there are tons of newlines that get echoed to the screen |
| 14:47.00 | stew | tango_: checked the bts? |
| 14:47.17 | tango_ | I tried, but it seems I can't find a sensible query string |
| 14:47.22 | kpearce | hi, I'm having a problem using cvs with the version of eclipse installed from apt on sid. When I try to create a new project from cvs, I get an error that some UI component is missing. Does anyone know anything about this? |
| 14:47.29 | Agiofws | anyone thats using a lapi do cat /proc/bus/input/devices you;ll see there that one input device is a touch pAD mY etch distro does not have that line |
| 14:47.33 | Ohmu | nvz: i have dc++ running in windows: it never asked any awkward questions .. |
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| 14:47.56 | stew | Agiofws: what kernel version does your working ubuntu use? |
| 14:47.58 | Agiofws | no i have not checked i have googled though |
| 14:48.01 | nvz | Ohmu: idk, I don't use it, I use gift or limewire |
| 14:48.23 | Agiofws | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:48.30 | Ohmu | nvz: ok ill try one. which of the 2 do you recommend? |
| 14:48.35 | stew | Agiofws: which debian kernel did you try? |
| 14:49.47 | Agiofws | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:49.50 | Agiofws | precompiled |
| 14:50.06 | CppIsWeird | i have two computers, each having two interfaces. Computer A has two lan ports, one connected to router, one connected to Computer B via switch cable. Computer B has wireless -> router and Switch cable to Computer A. I want to create two networks (i think) so that i can transfer files over the switch cable via samba very quickly. So far I have assigned them static IP's, one 192.2.2.2 and the other 192.2.2.3. Each time I try to ping the other, i |
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| 14:50.24 | Kamyk_^ | i want to install own apt repo. but which one is better debarchiver or reprepro? maybe sth. other? |
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| 14:51.02 | DJ-Marcuzz | well guys, you yet again helped me solve all my problems :D many times thanx! |
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| 14:52.00 | abrotman | !repository |
| 14:52.00 | dpkg | hmm... debian repository is a set of Debian packages organized into a predefined structure for fetching with apt-get. A howto is available at http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/repository-howto/repository-howto.en.html |
| 14:52.05 | dennis5345345354 | Can somebody help me with a lost encrypted partion? |
| 14:52.07 | abrotman | 192.2.2.3. Each time I try to ping the other, i |
| 14:52.11 | abrotman | CppIsWeird: ^^ |
| 14:52.14 | Agiofws | CppIsWeird, can you draw that ? |
| 14:52.23 | CppIsWeird | Each time I try to ping the other, i get ping: sendmsg: Operation not permitted. Keep in mind that my router has its own DHCP and network. Assigning them IP's from the routers network did get them talking, however they started the transfer through the slow wireless interface. |
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| 14:52.43 | Agiofws | CppIsWeird, |
| 14:52.56 | Agiofws | 2 hosts 2 nics in each ? |
| 14:53.01 | Agiofws | rights ? |
| 14:53.03 | CppIsWeird | yep |
| 14:53.04 | Agiofws | right ? |
| 14:53.07 | Agiofws | ok |
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| 14:53.11 | stew | CppIsWeird: "sendmsg: Operation not permitted" often means you have netfilter rule in the OUTPUT chain prohibiting the ICMP packet |
| 14:53.21 | Agiofws | that basically means 4 dif. subnets |
| 14:53.45 | Agiofws | DO not put the nicks of 1 HOST onthe same subnet |
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| 14:54.03 | CppIsWeird | i have not |
| 14:54.07 | stew | CppIsWeird: either that or ping lost its suid bit |
| 14:54.11 | CppIsWeird | router is 192.168.0.* |
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| 14:54.18 | Agiofws | now host A : does what |
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| 14:54.25 | Agiofws | ok |
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| 14:54.32 | Agiofws | whats the router connected to |
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| 14:54.36 | Agiofws | hard wire |
| 14:54.38 | CppIsWeird | host A adapter 2 = 192.2.2.2 |
| 14:54.54 | CppIsWeird | host A adapter 1 = 192.168.0.2 |
| 14:55.03 | stew | CppIsWeird: can you show us the output of "/sbin/ifconfig ; /sbin/route -n ; iptables -n -L OUTPUT" ; use a pastebin: /msg dpkg pastebin |
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| 14:55.11 | CppIsWeird | 1 sec |
| 14:55.11 | phlasphy | What are some of the advantages of debina over another Distro |
| 14:55.17 | stew | phlasphy: /msg dpkg why debian |
| 14:55.18 | Agiofws | CppIsWeird, hosts B ? |
| 14:55.21 | RichiH | is anyone aware of a tool that can take several ssl certs and display the relative trust levels and validity? |
| 14:55.34 | Agiofws | phlasphy, populalar |
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| 14:56.43 | Ohmu | <PROTECTED> |
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| 14:58.02 | CppIsWeird | Agiofws: host A: Adapter 1 = 192.168.0.2 255.255.255.0 192.168.0.1 Adapter 2 = 192.2.2.2 255.255.255.0 None host B: Adapter 1 = 192.168.0.3 255.255.255.0 192.168.0.1 Adapter 2 = 192.2.2.3 255.255.255.0 None |
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| 14:58.44 | beardy | !tell Ohmu about search |
| 14:59.02 | Agiofws | CppIsWeird, now tell us what is connected to what ? |
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| 14:59.15 | Agiofws | router is your gw to the net ? |
| 14:59.29 | Ohmu | beardy: i tried that, but search doesnt find it... maybe it has a wierd name? |
| 15:00.24 | CppIsWeird | Host A: adapter1 > router, adapter 2 > B.adapter 2; Host B: adapter 1 > router(wireless), adapter 2 > A.adapter 2; |
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| 15:01.22 | beardy | Ohmu: Might be proprietary crap, and therefor not packaged, too. Didn't find anything either, only heard the name, never used it. |
| 15:01.47 | Ohmu | thanx4 looking! |
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| 15:02.00 | Agiofws | CppIsWeird, are your wires crossed ? |
| 15:02.14 | CppIsWeird | you mean is it a switch cable? yes. |
| 15:02.58 | beardy | Ohmu: Well.. according to some of the first google hits, it's a gnutella client? Then it is "gnutella" for packagename probably. |
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| 15:03.17 | beardy | Ohmu: You're welcome. |
| 15:03.53 | Agiofws | no the cables must be crossed |
| 15:04.03 | Agiofws | when you join machines ... |
| 15:04.06 | CppIsWeird | it is |
| 15:04.12 | Agiofws | back back |
| 15:04.18 | Agiofws | bak2back |
| 15:04.22 | Agiofws | ok |
| 15:04.30 | CppIsWeird | i know what your talking about, it is. |
| 15:05.29 | Agiofws | CppIsWeird, whats router IP ? |
| 15:05.45 | CppIsWeird | what does that matter? i want to bypass the router |
| 15:05.51 | Ohmu | crossover cable: most computers direct-connect with crossover or straight nowadays |
| 15:06.09 | Agiofws | tell me |
| 15:06.17 | CppIsWeird | 192.168.0.1 |
| 15:06.20 | Agiofws | ok |
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| 15:07.14 | stew | CppIsWeird: what exactly is the prooblem you are trying to solve? not the problem with ping? |
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| 15:08.27 | Agiofws | CppIsWeird, ok |
| 15:08.38 | Agiofws | now where have you set the dhcpd ? |
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| 15:09.18 | CppIsWeird | doesnt matter, ive explained it for the last time, ive been at it for two hours now. either people just cant figure out what im trying to do, or its so absurd that people just dont think anyone would want to do that, or by some off chance im not explaining it correctly which i dont know any other way of putting it |
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| 15:09.47 | CppIsWeird | i have two computers, normallly their all connected happily without a care in the world |
| 15:09.50 | CppIsWeird | to a router |
| 15:09.54 | CppIsWeird | that makes eveyrone get along |
| 15:10.13 | CppIsWeird | until some asshole came along and put a switch cable between them and a gun to their heads and told them to talk over that cable |
| 15:10.29 | stew | CppIsWeird: what is a switch cable? |
| 15:10.31 | CppIsWeird | el comprehendo? |
| 15:10.42 | CppIsWeird | its a cable with the wires switched |
| 15:10.48 | CppIsWeird | instead of a patch cable |
| 15:10.52 | CppIsWeird | which is line to line |
| 15:10.53 | DDave | crosscut |
| 15:10.55 | beardy | CppIsWeird: Correct name is crossover cable, if that is what you mean. |
| 15:10.57 | DDave | and the other one |
| 15:10.58 | stew | crossover |
| 15:10.58 | De_Mon | crossOVER |
| 15:11.00 | DDave | sorry |
| 15:11.03 | DDave | sorry ^^ |
| 15:11.03 | CppIsWeird | fine, then that |
| 15:11.40 | stew | CppIsWeird: do you think that the fact that it is a crossover cable is relevant? do you get a link light using that cable? |
| 15:11.51 | stew | CppIsWeird: perhaps a diagram would help us understand exactly what you are trying to do |
| 15:12.00 | CppIsWeird | whats to diagram? |
| 15:12.03 | CppIsWeird | two computers |
| 15:12.04 | CppIsWeird | one router |
| 15:12.06 | Agiofws | cross over cable |
| 15:12.09 | beardy | CppIsWeird: Ok, but well, between two routers, that is what you use. |
| 15:12.10 | CppIsWeird | two adapters |
| 15:12.13 | CppIsWeird | one set is going to router |
| 15:12.16 | CppIsWeird | other set is going to each other |
| 15:12.21 | stew | CppIsWeird: please don't hit enter so much |
| 15:12.24 | CppIsWeird | 4 adapters rather |
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| 15:12.46 | beardy | CppIsWeird: So, you have two routers connected, then what? |
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| 15:13.01 | stew | didn't he say one router? |
| 15:13.06 | CppIsWeird | yep, one |
| 15:13.09 | stew | CppIsWeird: please just make a diagram |
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| 15:13.32 | beardy | Right.. he said "two computers". |
| 15:13.34 | Agiofws | CppIsWeird, cut off dhcpd put everything to manual 2) and put the NICS that are connected to eachother on a subnet of 192.168.2.X |
| 15:14.00 | beardy | What is the problem? Yes, with 4 interfaces, on whatever device, use static addresses. |
| 15:14.10 | Agiofws | 2 PC's 2 NICS in each |
| 15:14.18 | CppIsWeird | ok, so the answer is clearly assign them static ips |
| 15:14.19 | CppIsWeird | which i did |
| 15:14.21 | CppIsWeird | and dick happened |
| 15:14.21 | stew | i can't imagine that whatever problem he is having is really caused by using DHCP |
| 15:14.25 | CppIsWeird | thanks for the help |
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| 15:14.29 | DawnLight | or make dhcp serve static information to the hosts according to mac |
| 15:14.57 | Agiofws | just put everything to static so you can know from where to start |
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| 15:15.18 | aeshyamae | alacarte is not taking my locale ml_IN (here is the error http://pastebin.ca/798027 ) its ok for en_US but dpkg-reconfigure says ml_IN is uptodate |
| 15:15.22 | Agiofws | and for now what is the real problem ? what doesn't ping what ? |
| 15:15.26 | stew | Agiofws: he left |
| 15:15.34 | Agiofws | lol |
| 15:15.43 | stew | and his ping problem had nothing to do with ip addresses or networks |
| 15:15.51 | Agiofws | stew, ok now for my problem ? |
| 15:15.52 | Agiofws | :) |
| 15:15.53 | stew | his ping problem was a permissions problem |
| 15:16.12 | stew | Agiofws: i'd recommend checking the urls in /msg dpkg laptops |
| 15:16.24 | beardy | Didn't lastlog him. Well, everyone can leave, everyone was nice, so.. |
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| 15:16.49 | beardy | Bottom line, don't ask, don't care. |
| 15:16.59 | vlt | Hello. Is there a way to measure r/w performance of a block device w/o any kernel buffers? |
| 15:17.40 | vlt | I want to know the difference between `dd if=/dev/hda`, `dd if=/dev/mapper/lvm_on_hda` and `dd if=/dev/mapper/aes-crypt_on_lvm_on_hda` ... |
| 15:18.14 | beardy | vlt: Use DOS. |
| 15:18.20 | vlt | ;) |
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| 15:19.22 | [Naigovan] | -) |
| 15:19.57 | Agiofws | i've done that with the laptops lists |
| 15:19.59 | Agiofws | no use |
| 15:20.02 | Agiofws | for the time |
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| 15:29.00 | cga | hi , which command should i use to repair a damaged package?? thanks. i googled and searched in man but i can't find it |
| 15:29.17 | wols_ | cga: damaged how? |
| 15:29.21 | wols_ | why not just reinstall it? |
| 15:29.34 | cga | doesn't work |
| 15:29.37 | Agiofws | cga, you can edit it ? |
| 15:29.43 | Agiofws | and add the code manually ? |
| 15:29.52 | cga | it gnome-panel |
| 15:29.52 | stew | cga: show us the actual command you typed and the actual output, use a pastebin: /msg dpkg pastebin |
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| 15:30.12 | cga | ok stew , but the output will be in italian |
| 15:30.15 | cga | sorry |
| 15:30.23 | wols_ | cga: LANG=C;command |
| 15:30.26 | wols_ | and it will be in english then |
| 15:30.30 | stew | cga: instaed of "apt-get foo" run "LANG=C apt-get foo" |
| 15:31.05 | cga | ok |
| 15:31.42 | rdz | hi all. i am not quite sure, if this is reated at all to this channel, but i have a wierd problem. when i am in schoo, the keyboard and the trackpad react very sluggishly and i get many key repetition, even if i hit the key only quickly. when i am at home, i don't have suich issues |
| 15:32.04 | Jemt | Greetz. Is it possible to suppress warnings and errors given by modprobe when loading modules? --syslog is one alternative, but I really would like to have errors ignored completely |
| 15:32.14 | rdz | is there something, that would exaplain this location dependency? |
| 15:32.16 | cga | !paste |
| 15:32.16 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 3 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://channels.debian.net/paste/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. |
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| 15:33.32 | cga | here it goes: http://paste.debian.net/43493 |
| 15:33.42 | maxamillion | is there a cli tool/app/daemon that i can use to save my iptables settings and have them loaded by default upon a fresh boot? |
| 15:34.09 | cga | stew, wols_ here it goes: http://paste.debian.net/43493 |
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| 15:34.37 | stew | cga: try running "aptitude -f install" to fix the broken packages |
| 15:34.44 | cga | ok |
| 15:34.46 | cga | thanks |
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| 15:35.04 | rush1 | Will my system crash if I switch nscd off?;-) |
| 15:35.05 | hipodilski | Is there a good way to downgrade to the previous version of samba I had after upgrade smbfs stopped working it's reported in debian's bugs but still not fixed |
| 15:35.40 | stew | hipodilski: what version of debian are you running? what version of samba actually works? |
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| 15:35.59 | flawdd | Hello. |
| 15:36.29 | cga | stew, aptitude -f install brings new broken packages for xmas XD |
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| 15:37.11 | stew | cga: you might try the aptitude frontend by running "aptitude" by itself and try to fix all the problems there (which will let you do everything at once) |
| 15:37.21 | flawdd | I have a mx440 graphics card on my agp port. I have just put in a pci card S3 tri64 and lspci lists it as "00:11.0 VGA compatible controller: S3 Inc. 86c764/765 [Trio32/64/64V+]". Can someone please direct me to the next step of making a dualmonitor setup with these cards. Thank you very much. |
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| 15:37.41 | cga | stew, i'll try that |
| 15:38.06 | beardy | flawdd: Give up.. and get something nicer that that S3 card. |
| 15:38.10 | beardy | than |
| 15:38.32 | stew | flawdd: read the xinerama howto |
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| 15:39.01 | hipodilski | stew: etch |
| 15:39.11 | flawdd | beardy, I'll only give up if it is not possible. |
| 15:39.21 | flawdd | beardy, Are you saying it is not possible with that card? |
| 15:39.34 | beardy | flawdd: No, I'm not saying that. |
| 15:39.35 | stew | hipodilski: what version of samba do you have installed now? |
| 15:39.44 | hipodilski | stew: the latest 3.0.24 |
| 15:40.23 | hipodilski | ii samba 3.0.24-6etch5 a LanManager-like file and printer server fo |
| 15:40.26 | stew | hipodilski: and you want to downgrade to a previous version of 3.0.24? |
| 15:40.32 | petemc | flawdd: i use a pci s3 card as a second card, works ok, the s3 card isnt the best, obviously |
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| 15:40.39 | hipodilski | stew: well smbfs was working fine before the upgrade |
| 15:40.44 | beardy | flawdd: I'm just saying it is bad. Follow stew's advice. Not familliar with xinerama myself, but for using two monitors, for one xserver, you'd probably have to run the same driver? Then vesa. |
| 15:40.52 | petemc | flawdd: http://yerma.org/~pete/temp/xorg.conf |
| 15:41.12 | hipodilski | I upgraded because there was samba security upgrade |
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| 15:41.29 | hipodilski | here is the bug report http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=452515 |
| 15:41.30 | stew | hipodilski: which version did you have before the upgrade? what is the bug number you are referring to? |
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| 15:42.12 | stew | hipodilski: that bug gives a url to a fixed version |
| 15:42.13 | aeshyamae | hi all alacarte dont like my locale ml_IN its working fine with en_US but i want it to work in ml_IN to change a menu label...here is the error pls have a look http://pastebin.ca/798027 |
| 15:42.20 | beardy | flawdd: You are correct of course, don't give up. Do it, but then, consider replacing the card. |
| 15:42.34 | stew | beardy: you don't have to run the same driver on both heads |
| 15:42.38 | hipodilski | stew: not sure the version before the upgrade |
| 15:42.44 | beardy | stew: Ah. |
| 15:42.47 | stew | hipodilski: doesn't matter, use the newer fixed version |
| 15:42.53 | hipodilski | it has to be 3.0.24-6etch4 maybe |
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| 15:43.02 | hipodilski | stew: there isn't a newer fixed version |
| 15:43.17 | hipodilski | ? |
| 15:43.18 | stew | hipodilski: that bug claims there is |
| 15:43.18 | beardy | stew: When sharing the desktop too? |
| 15:43.26 | stew | beardy: what do you mean by sharing the desktop? |
| 15:43.32 | hipodilski | stew: yes there is a link following the link gives me only amd64 debs |
| 15:43.39 | hipodilski | I'm not running amd64 |
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| 15:44.33 | beardy | stew: Well, I don't know what xinerama does, or what options it has.. I mean having a window overlapping both screens, for example. |
| 15:44.35 | hipodilski | I thought such things are less likely to happen in debian. |
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| 15:44.48 | hark | hipodilski: smbfs is deprecated anyway, you should use cifs |
| 15:44.49 | stew | hipodilski: dget -x http://url.to.samba_version.dsc ; cd samba-$version ; apt-get build-dep samba ; apt-get install build-essential ; dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot |
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| 15:45.10 | stew | beardy: yes, that is what xinerama does. you don't have to have two cards running the same driver in order to use xinerama |
| 15:45.15 | hipodilski | hark: using cifs there is other problem |
| 15:45.30 | beardy | stew: Ok. |
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| 15:46.05 | hipodilski | hark: the problem is when mounted and using some text editor to edit some file the editor reports all the time "that the file has been changed during reading" |
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| 15:46.31 | hipodilski | it's something with cifs mtimes I believe this problem is fixed but it's in kernel version >2.6.20 |
| 15:46.31 | snama | hello |
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| 15:47.20 | snama | is it possible to mount a bootable iso on a partition and then boot form it? |
| 15:47.35 | snama | from* |
| 15:48.46 | stew | snama: perhaps in an emulator such as qemu, but not natively |
| 15:48.50 | hark | hipodilski: any particular editor or all of them? gedit? |
| 15:49.30 | hipodilski | hark: vim also |
| 15:49.33 | stew | hipodilski: he's correct in that smbfs should only be used over cifs when mounting volumes from VERY old versions of windows |
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| 15:50.14 | snama | ok |
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| 15:50.29 | DebianTUX | hi. i have updated my sid's kernel to 2.6.22, but i have no pty. how to solve this? |
| 15:50.40 | hipodilski | stew: sure but there is other bug with cifs :| |
| 15:50.50 | hipodilski | which is resolved in newer kernels |
| 15:51.02 | stew | hipodilski: then why not use a newer kernel? |
| 15:51.14 | hipodilski | stew: well I'm running stable |
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| 15:51.23 | hipodilski | stew: is there a good way to use a newer kernel on stable? |
| 15:51.26 | stew | hipodilski: backports.org has 2.6.22 for stable: /msg dpkg bpo |
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| 15:52.47 | hark | hipodilski: if your file server is not also being used as a WINS server, you can downgrade to 3.0.24-6etch4 |
| 15:53.34 | stew | and if he is unconcerned by the security bug that -6etch5 fixes |
| 15:53.43 | maxamillion | !iptables |
| 15:53.43 | dpkg | iptables is, like, the user-space process used to administer iptables kernel parts on top of netfilter, or ask me about <netfilter docs>, or at http://netfilter.org/ or http://lartc.org/.(check it out because iptables (2.4.x) has some security holes) See also: <masq>, or try #iptables for help, or for a proper debian-way of setting up iptables, please read http://www.howtoforge.com/node/450 |
| 15:53.52 | maxamillion | hmmm... |
| 15:54.12 | hark | stew: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=452542#25 |
| 15:54.45 | stew | maxamillion: iptables-save will save the current rules to a file, iptables-restore can restore from a file. i'd recommend calling iptables-restore from a pre-up line in /etc/network/interfaces ( man iptables-save ; man iptables-restore ; man interfaces ) |
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| 15:55.13 | hipodilski | hark: after how much time is usually a big fixed |
| 15:55.32 | stew | hark: yes, i saw that. and i gave him instructions on how to build -6etch6 from the source that vorlon provided |
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| 15:55.48 | XoX | while starting mysql i get a bunch of . . . . . dots and then failed! |
| 15:55.55 | XoX | action start faild |
| 15:56.11 | maxamillion | stew: ah, stellar ... thank you |
| 15:56.14 | stew | XoX: try running "mysqld" as roon on the command line and see if you get a more useful error |
| 15:56.16 | junix|work | !java one liner |
| 15:56.22 | XoX | but the thing is that it does run |
| 15:56.26 | junix|work | is there a java one liner? |
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| 15:56.37 | stew | junix|work: for what exactly? |
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| 15:56.48 | themill | junix|work: no... what are wanting to do |
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| 15:57.14 | Dantix | I've echoed 0f to /proc/irq/18/smp_affinity being 18 the irq of eth0, I hope those should do the interrupts of eth0 was processed by the two cores of my p4 dual core, but not, just CPU0 counters increase its value, why? |
| 15:57.29 | odla | hi i am trying to configure a gnome icon theme (stripy-icon-theme) and it tells me that i have to have icon-naming-utils installed greater than 0.8.1 and i have icon-naming-utils 0.8.6 installed ... any ideas what i might also need to install? |
| 15:57.59 | hark | hipodilski: yes, that's another solution.. you can build -6etch7 from that vorlon's link |
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| 15:59.00 | junix|work | themill, i need to install java |
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| 15:59.17 | themill | !tell junix|work about install java |
| 15:59.23 | beardy | !beer stew |
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| 16:00.00 | RichiH | wtf |
| 16:00.02 | RichiH | spaten pils |
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| 16:00.08 | RichiH | perverts |
| 16:00.19 | XoX | stew, with mysqld it starts without error |
| 16:00.32 | XoX | stew, with initd script it prints failed message |
| 16:00.37 | azeem | RichiH: I know a guy who drank Augustiner Pils yesterday |
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| 16:00.49 | hoxu | odla, sounds like a bug |
| 16:00.53 | azeem | in the "Haidhausener Augustiner" no less |
| 16:00.58 | RichiH | azeem: and you shot him, thus the past tense |
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| 16:01.02 | RichiH | good azeem |
| 16:01.04 | stew | in general i never drink lagered (bottom fermented) beer |
| 16:01.07 | azeem | RichiH: he's a collegue |
| 16:01.25 | beardy | stew: Put it on the shelf then. |
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| 16:01.33 | azeem | funnily enough, he's one of the few bavarians in the group |
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| 16:01.57 | azeem | stew: that's just because you never drank true Helles[tm] I assume |
| 16:02.01 | stew | XoX: you might try running "bash -x /etc/init.d/mysql start" to see what it is doing when it decides it fails |
| 16:02.05 | beardy | Is everyone a beer geek? |
| 16:02.08 | kpearce | so, I'm looking into making a deb package for a piece of software that requires java6 with jai and jai-imageio. Java 6 is available in the non-free section, but there don't seem to be packages for jai or jai-imageio. Any ideas as to how I should proceed? |
| 16:02.14 | abrotman | beardy: shouldn't everyone be? :) |
| 16:02.28 | stew | azeem: probably not. if you have a recommendation that I could possibly find in the states I'd happily try |
| 16:02.37 | stew | oh, Helles is a brand? |
| 16:02.45 | beardy | abrotman: Heh, maybe. I feel ungeeky, I need to invest more effort in it. |
| 16:02.47 | stew | i only recognize it as a type of barley i could buy |
| 16:03.04 | beardy | I only know that Spaten is a beer. |
| 16:03.10 | azeem | stew: the easiest to find is probably Loewenbraeu |
| 16:03.21 | azeem | but some people disregard that as true Helles |
| 16:03.28 | abrotman | hehe .. i haven't had loewenbrau in like 15 years |
| 16:03.36 | azeem | others would be Spaten, Hofbraeu or Paulaner |
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| 16:03.52 | abrotman | beardy: i know a geek that's a hard liquor person .. dunno why .. but he does like beer also |
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| 16:04.03 | stew | spaten is easy to find |
| 16:04.12 | DebianTUX | talking about acohol? :D |
| 16:04.13 | abrotman | paulaner is kind of common |
| 16:04.18 | bahadunn | whats this |
| 16:04.23 | abrotman | (depending where you go for your beer) |
| 16:04.24 | bahadunn | beer == debian? |
| 16:04.26 | bahadunn | I think not |
| 16:04.34 | DebianTUX | do some one knows cachaça? :D |
| 16:05.03 | abrotman | DebianTUX: you have no pty at all ? |
| 16:05.11 | DebianTUX | abrotman: no ;( |
| 16:05.15 | abrotman | how did oyu check ? |
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| 16:06.15 | twobitsprite | what was that command to change video modes in X and change multi-head options? |
| 16:06.17 | DebianTUX | abrotman: ls /dev/ttyp* :/ |
| 16:06.30 | beardy | abrotman: Well, I don't mind either, either, now and then, but I'm not too knowledgable about it.. |
| 16:06.45 | stew | twobitsprite: xrandr |
| 16:06.49 | twobitsprite | stew: thanks |
| 16:08.53 | bahadunn | dont change the topic on my account. I am not the off topic police |
| 16:09.18 | XoX | stew, now i get failed when stopping mysql , but it prints ok if i run it again |
| 16:09.27 | XoX | the stop to mysql initd script that is.. |
| 16:09.54 | XoX | actually no , it takes a while |
| 16:09.56 | twobitsprite | stew: hmm... this doesn't seem to behave the way I remember... I remember doing something like "xrander --output lvds --off" or something, but it doesn't take those options now |
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| 16:10.20 | cahoot | skip the e |
| 16:10.34 | XoX | it takes a few seconds for mysql stable to drop so it returns failed |
| 16:10.36 | twobitsprite | cahoot: er, yeah... typo |
| 16:10.38 | XoX | shouldnt it sleep |
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| 16:11.35 | stew | XoX: there is a "for i in 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10; do" in the init script. add more numbers to make it wait longer |
| 16:11.42 | twobitsprite | so the problem is... I have two monitors, but I want to turn one of them off... |
| 16:11.50 | abrotman | twobitsprite: hit the power button |
| 16:12.00 | twobitsprite | abrotman: the one I want to turn off is built into the laptop |
| 16:12.02 | cahoot | http://www.thinkwiki.org/wiki/Xorg_RandR_1.2 |
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| 16:12.06 | twobitsprite | abrotman: i.e., no power button |
| 16:12.08 | DeathWolf | for i in `seq 1 10`; do blabla |
| 16:12.11 | DeathWolf | less pain |
| 16:12.12 | jelly | stew: I wonder why it isn't for i in 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 ;-) |
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| 16:12.45 | stew | DeathWolf: can't use seq because /usr/ might not yet be mounted |
| 16:13.13 | abrotman | (which would make it hard to start mysql anyways) |
| 16:13.29 | stew | oh, right, hmm |
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| 16:13.50 | jelly | $() ftw, `` ftl. |
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| 16:14.13 | themill | stew: someone probably whinged about bashisms in the script so the maintainer wrote some ugliness instead. |
| 16:14.17 | tt | I've just installed gnome for the first time for some time now and I'm looking for a feature called "network-manager". I noticed that it wasnt in the applet list so I installed it but now I have no idea how to start it? Help? |
| 16:14.28 | stew | themill: seq isn't a bashism, neither is $() |
| 16:14.32 | jelly | escape rules in `` make me queasy |
| 16:14.47 | DebianTUX | abrotman: any idea? |
| 16:15.09 | themill | stew: of course, but it was probably some bash arithmetic C-like loop |
| 16:15.19 | abrotman | DebianTUX: ps aux | grep getty .. get anything ? |
| 16:15.25 | themill | stew: I'm just trying to save the maintainer from complete disgrace at writing something that ugly |
| 16:15.30 | Dantix | I've echoed 0f to /proc/irq/18/smp_affinity being 18 the irq of eth0, I hope those should do the interrupts of eth0 was processed by the two cores of my p4 dual core, but not, just CPU0 counters increase its value, why? |
| 16:16.15 | abrotman | themill: perhaps it's faster? |
| 16:16.17 | riz_ | Hi. I've installed debian using "netinst" image. Unfortunatly the installer doesn't supports wireless with wpa auth. So now I have the base netinst installed on my disk. The doubt is on how to complete the installation ? |
| 16:16.27 | themill | abrotman: hah... in a sleeping loop.... |
| 16:16.34 | stew | yeah, this ugly loops makes them be able to wait for mysql faster |
| 16:16.36 | DebianTUX | abrotman: yes |
| 16:16.39 | abrotman | themill: i meant than calling seq to construct it |
| 16:16.41 | jelly | themill: I shudder at the thought of mysql-server maintainer not knowing how to write shell scripts |
| 16:16.44 | abrotman | DebianTUX: sounds like you have ptys to me |
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| 16:16.55 | abrotman | jelly: have you used mysql? |
| 16:16.57 | abrotman | :) |
| 16:17.12 | DebianTUX | abrotman: no X terminal can open :/ |
| 16:17.27 | abrotman | erm .. you have ttys .. not ptys |
| 16:17.32 | abrotman | did you compile your own kernel? |
| 16:17.35 | Jemt | Greetz. Is it possible to suppress warnings and errors given by modprobe when loading modules? --syslog is one alternative, but I really would like to have errors ignored completely |
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| 16:17.36 | jelly | abrotman: no, but my users have? |
| 16:17.43 | abrotman | jelly: you're an evil admin! |
| 16:17.56 | jelly | abrotman: as if there's any other kind |
| 16:18.00 | wols_ | riz_: download the needed packages move them over (usb stick, reading a windows partition,...) and install them |
| 16:18.05 | nvz | |
| 16:18.11 | stephen | hello - I have a machine in which I have two nics; one is configured and working, one is yet to be configured, and one is, I believe, a firewire device |
| 16:18.21 | stephen | ifconfig shows all 3 |
| 16:18.24 | wols_ | stephen: and the problem is? |
| 16:18.31 | SlackRat | dpkg !etch keys |
| 16:18.36 | stephen | how can I tell the difference between the firewire and unconfigured ethernet? |
| 16:18.38 | DebianTUX | abrotman: no, debian kernel |
| 16:18.39 | riz_ | wols_ maybe it's better to re-install 4.0_r1 and after update it to sid ... |
| 16:18.42 | wols_ | bluesceada: look at topic |
| 16:18.44 | stephen | i don't know the mac address |
| 16:18.53 | wols_ | riz_: what's that supposed to solve? |
| 16:18.57 | abrotman | DebianTUX: have you checked the BTS? |
| 16:19.03 | DebianTUX | bts? |
| 16:19.06 | wols_ | stephen: if it shows in ifconfig you know the MAC address |
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| 16:19.16 | riz_ | wols_ finishing the installation |
| 16:19.16 | wols_ | !bts |
| 16:19.16 | dpkg | from memory, bts is the Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or http://bugs.debian.org/bugnumber apt-get install reportbug, and check out <querybts> too. Users of "sid" are required to check the BTS, useful for sid: apt-get install apt-listbugs, or apt-get install apt-listchanges |
| 16:19.21 | stephen | wols_: yes, but i don't kow which is the firewire one and which is the ethernet one |
| 16:19.24 | bluesceada | wols_: ? |
| 16:19.35 | SlackRat | !etch keys |
| 16:19.36 | wols_ | stephen: pastbein the ifconfig output |
| 16:19.40 | sandguy | Does anyone know where to go for KompoZer help? |
| 16:19.40 | stephen | k |
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| 16:19.53 | SlackRat | damn bot hates me...... |
| 16:20.04 | wols_ | bluesceada: mistab |
| 16:20.12 | bluesceada | k |
| 16:20.26 | stephen | http://pastebin.ca/798111 |
| 16:20.27 | abrotman | sandguy: what is it? |
| 16:20.27 | wols_ | SlackRat: you don't have a clue how to use it. it's self hate. not hate by dpkg |
| 16:20.31 | wols_ | SlackRat: see topic |
| 16:20.35 | sam_ | I had the package 'menu' installed. I have removed the package but still see the debian menu. How can I get rid of it please? |
| 16:20.45 | abrotman | menu-xdg ?> |
| 16:20.58 | wols_ | stephen: eth0 is firewire |
| 16:21.11 | stew | SlackRat: you are just asking it about things it doesn't know about. try "/msg dpkg etch key" instead of "/msg dpkg etch keys" |
| 16:21.22 | stephen | wols_: thank you; how can you tell? |
| 16:21.22 | wols_ | sam_: did you purge? |
| 16:21.23 | SlackRat | thanks stew |
| 16:21.31 | wols_ | stephen: look at its MAC |
| 16:21.34 | stephen | oh - i see the mac address looks radically different |
| 16:21.37 | wols_ | stephen: and Link encap |
| 16:21.55 | SlackRat | wols, you mean dpkg *doesnt* hate me? |
| 16:22.09 | stephen | yeah; it looks much clearer in the pastebin output than in the terminal! |
| 16:22.12 | RickyWh | is DNS the worlds largest database? |
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| 16:22.27 | stephen | thanks, wols_ |
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| 16:22.34 | moshii | what do you do when you have dead keys that even scowkeys wont output the scancode for? |
| 16:22.52 | themill | SlackRat: that's not what wols said... dpkg just hates everyone equally,... don't feel special ;) |
| 16:23.07 | SlackRat | ah.........thanks for clearing that up, heh |
| 16:23.24 | themill | np |
| 16:23.25 | dell_lin | how do i search all files on disk and sort them size wise |
| 16:23.31 | moshii | RickyWh: I reckon the export XMODIFIERS=@im=SCIM |
| 16:23.36 | moshii | RickyWh: oops |
| 16:23.44 | moshii | RickyWh: the genetics ones are bigger |
| 16:24.27 | sam_ | wols no good idea |
| 16:24.42 | stew | RickyWh: how do you define database? are you defining the "DNS database" to contain all of the info in all of the data on every dns server in the world? |
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| 16:25.20 | wols_ | sam_: what isn't? |
| 16:26.00 | sam_ | sorry bad grammar. No I have not purged that is a good idea |
| 16:26.36 | SlackRat | hmn...still shows the security.debian key is not valid |
| 16:26.46 | nvz | hmm I can't seem to see manpages on a 22x37 console |
| 16:27.24 | junix|work | i seem to be having some isseus building a java package using make-jpkg |
| 16:27.43 | xoz_ | junix|work: explain |
| 16:27.47 | stew | junix|work: which java are you trying to install? sun's? |
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| 16:28.11 | junix|work | stew, yes, i tried installing the deb pacakges, no good on a few websites |
| 16:28.23 | Nyle | stew: there are non-sun javas? |
| 16:28.30 | stew | Nyle: yes, several |
| 16:28.32 | Nyle | i'll be damned |
| 16:28.32 | xoz_ | junix|work: etch? |
| 16:28.38 | junix|work | yes |
| 16:28.39 | stew | Nyle: apt-cache showpkg java-runtime |
| 16:28.50 | stew | Nyle: and there are the ones from ibm, blackdown |
| 16:28.58 | Nyle | hm |
| 16:28.59 | jelly | Apache |
| 16:29.02 | stew | junix|work: why not use the sun packages that debian distributes in non-free? |
| 16:29.04 | Nyle | I thought blackdown only packaged the sun java |
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| 16:29.29 | xoz_ | junix|work: easiest is to download from sun. the latest one does not work with make-jpkg... 1.5. the 1.4 works. |
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| 16:29.34 | junix|work | stew, i installed that, iceweasel won't see it |
| 16:29.37 | Nyle | thats cool |
| 16:29.49 | stew | junix|work: did you install the corresponding -plugin package? |
| 16:29.52 | xoz_ | junix|work: in 1.5, you just install using sun's installation |
| 16:29.54 | junix|work | yes |
| 16:29.56 | rpoisel | hi! i cannot get pure-ftpd working with virtual-chroots and symlinks - every ftp-client complains about the files it cannot find, any suggestions? |
| 16:30.03 | Nyle | hey that is a lot of them |
| 16:30.06 | stew | xoz_: why not use the debian packages? |
| 16:30.37 | jelly | stew: debian often lags a lot behind sun's binary releases |
| 16:30.55 | xoz_ | stew: bad experience so i just went straight to sun :) |
| 16:30.57 | wols_ | jelly: there is the slight problem of dependencies then |
| 16:31.04 | SlackRat | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:31.14 | Nyle | xoz_: you can use the sun java to make a package too i think with java-package |
| 16:31.18 | wols_ | SlackRat: less leading whitespace |
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| 16:31.56 | stew | Nyle: yeah, you can, which is exactly what debian offers from non-free, so i don't see the point of doing it yourself |
| 16:31.57 | xoz_ | Nyle: yeah. but i got the java from sun and use the java packaging in debian to make a deb |
| 16:32.03 | jelly | wols_: dunno, our tomcats don't seem to care |
| 16:32.11 | Nyle | xoz_: great |
| 16:32.14 | SlackRat | thanks |
| 16:32.32 | xoz_ | seems that the 1.5 which is not available in etch is not compat with the make-jpkg. only 1.4 works |
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| 16:32.50 | hipodilski | stew: |
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| 16:32.56 | hipodilski | 17:44 < stew> hipodilski: dget -x http://url.to.samba_version.dsc ; cd samba-$version ; apt-get build-dep samba ; apt-get install build-essential ; dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot |
| 16:32.58 | jelly | !info sun-java5-bin etch |
| 16:33.02 | dpkg | sun-java5-bin: (Sun Java(TM) Runtime Environment (JRE) 5.0 (architecture dependent files)), section non-free/libs, is optional. Version: 1.5.0-10-3 (etch), Packaged size: 21782 kB, Installed size: 65088 kB |
| 16:33.09 | Nyle | i've also once done a simple sid backport on the sun java jre, and it worked |
| 16:33.14 | xoz_ | stew: 1.5 does not work with make-jpkg |
| 16:33.15 | hipodilski | stew: it's not very clear to me how to process this cd samba-$version |
| 16:33.15 | jelly | xoz_: not available? |
| 16:33.16 | hipodilski | ? |
| 16:33.27 | xoz_ | 1.5 not available in etch |
| 16:33.29 | themill | Nyle: it's in etch-backports already |
| 16:33.33 | hipodilski | shouldn't I download the samba source first? |
| 16:33.37 | \amethyst | xoz_: 1.5 is in etch non-free |
| 16:33.40 | Nyle | themill: cool |
| 16:33.40 | stew | !info sun-java5-plugin etch |
| 16:33.42 | dpkg | sun-java5-plugin: (The Java(TM) Plug-in, Java SE 5.0), section non-free/web, is optional. Version: 1.5.0-10-3 (etch), Packaged size: 1 kB, Installed size: 72 kB |
| 16:33.42 | xoz_ | ah |
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| 16:34.05 | \amethyst | and 1.6 is on bpo |
| 16:34.06 | stew | and the testing/unstable packages are installable on etch safely |
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| 16:34.11 | xoz_ | what about the sdk? |
| 16:34.12 | themill | xoz_: and the corresponding java6 package are in etch-backports |
| 16:34.18 | \amethyst | xoz_: sun-java5-jdk |
| 16:34.31 | Nyle | my legs hurt man |
| 16:34.37 | junix|work | thank you!! |
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| 16:34.53 | Nyle | argh. hey my compiled kernel finished last night |
| 16:34.54 | Nyle | right on |
| 16:34.57 | stew | xoz_: the last time i used it with 1.5 it worked fine. do you have a bug# ? |
| 16:34.59 | xoz_ | ok. anyway, going to sun is not that difficult anymore. they are really opensource friendly now |
| 16:35.01 | sam_ | hi does anyone know where the menu items live? where does alacarte get it's list from? |
| 16:35.09 | kpearce | now that we're talking about java, maybe someone can answer my previous question: does anyone know about jai/jai-imageio on Debian? |
| 16:35.46 | stew | !info sun-java5-jdk etch |
| 16:35.48 | dpkg | sun-java5-jdk: (Sun Java(TM) Development Kit (JDK) 5.0), section non-free/devel, is optional. Version: 1.5.0-10-3 (etch), Packaged size: 4923 kB, Installed size: 11420 kB |
| 16:35.49 | kpearce | I'm looking into making a deb package for software that depends on having those installed in the jre, but I can't find packages for them |
| 16:35.57 | xoz_ | stew: let me check it tomorrow. i think the problem is that i pull the java from sun. but i think the make-jpkg should work even if the java was pulled from sun directly. |
| 16:36.05 | xoz_ | stew: the comp is in the office |
| 16:36.08 | themill | xoz_: yes, but using the debian packages solves dependencies but the sun packages won't. |
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| 16:36.33 | stew | xoz_: pulled from sun as opposed to what? |
| 16:36.35 | xoz_ | themill: you can use make-jpkg to debianized the sun |
| 16:36.50 | stew | themill: are you sure? |
| 16:36.50 | xoz_ | stew: using apt-get install sun- |
| 16:36.51 | themill | xoz_: why do that when the debian maintainers do that for you and more? |
| 16:37.06 | Nyle | themill: because he wants to |
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| 16:37.12 | Nyle | *shrug& |
| 16:37.23 | xoz_ | themill: make-jpkg does that. pull from sun and automatically debianised it. |
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| 16:37.32 | stew | xoz_: yes, when you install sun- packages you don't use make-jpkg to make a pacakge out of them, as they are already packaged |
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| 16:37.52 | kpearce | will make-jpkg work for the sun plugins for java? |
| 16:38.05 | Nyle | alright, i gotta get ready and go to work, see ya fellers later |
| 16:38.16 | stew | kpearce: yes, but in general there is no point in using it, since debian provides the plugins as packages in non-free |
| 16:38.32 | dewszaq | How do I read /usr/share/doc/wpasupplicant/NEWS.Debian.gz? |
| 16:38.36 | xoz_ | stew: ah. i use make-jpkg and read in the readme to pull the sun.... i must have just install the package. i was not aware it is fully free... no more pulling from sun. we should get rid of make-jpkg. |
| 16:38.43 | themill | dewszaq: zless |
| 16:38.47 | stew | xoz_: its not fully free |
| 16:38.57 | stew | xoz_: which is why it is in non-free instead of main |
| 16:39.16 | Nyle | debian is the only true and real free thing left in the world |
| 16:39.36 | kpearce | stew: I don't mean the browser plugins (sorry, that was confusing I guess), I mean java API plugins, specifically, Java Advance Imaging (JAI) and ImageIO |
| 16:39.45 | Nyle | everything else is like, free, but kinda |
| 16:39.50 | SlackRat | well, besides the Chinese menus they leave outside your apartment..... |
| 16:39.51 | xoz_ | stew: ah. what i mean is that it is now available in the repo. before, you have to pull it. make-jpkg is not longer needed i think. it will just confuse some like me :) |
| 16:39.52 | jelly | Nyle: like fedora? |
| 16:39.53 | kpearce | as far as I can tell, there aren't packages for those |
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| 16:40.03 | Nyle | jelly: heh |
| 16:40.08 | jelly | Nyle: or gobuntu? |
| 16:40.11 | Nyle | ugh |
| 16:40.26 | Nyle | i just woke up, why you gonna try to make me throw up |
| 16:40.27 | Nyle | :) |
| 16:40.47 | xoz_ | gobuntu or gOS... |
| 16:40.55 | chemist | I have to use port 80 to ssh from work but I want to run a web server too, anyway around that? |
| 16:40.59 | SlackRat | don't, someone will start puKebuntu........ |
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| 16:41.06 | abrotman | chemist: different IPs? |
| 16:41.14 | chemist | no, same IP |
| 16:41.14 | jelly | Nyle: I think they both satisfy DFSG, and Fedora is more strict than Debian WRT patent problems (see mp3 support) |
| 16:41.28 | xoz_ | abrotman: i have a date with Phated next friday :) |
| 16:42.05 | Nyle | ubuntu fglrx package installation tells me that i need to enable the non-free contrib |
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| 16:42.18 | Nyle | since then I've decided that its a pos and I don't need it |
| 16:42.44 | Nyle | im not kidding, it really did tell me that |
| 16:42.51 | stew | gobuntu is certainly not dfsg free |
| 16:42.51 | jelly | Nyle: because using fglrx and whining about non-freeness would be somewhat hypocritical |
| 16:43.03 | Hadaka | my timezone just disappeared in unstable - how to set it? tzconfig is nowhere to be seen |
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| 16:43.38 | Nyle | i'll continue this later if you wish, time to go to work |
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| 16:43.43 | Nyle | *out* |
| 16:44.11 | jelly | stew: well, they strive to be FSF free. ;-) |
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| 16:44.30 | twobitsprite | alright.... I got video back, but I still can't figure out why xrandr seems to take differrent options than I'm used to |
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| 16:45.13 | sam_ | anyone know about how the menu system is created? specifically which file alacarte edits? |
| 16:45.14 | themill | twobitsprite: sid? |
| 16:45.18 | twobitsprite | themill: yeah |
| 16:45.21 | xoz_ | stew: by the way, are there still many issues regarding java in terms of its freeness? i thought they GPLd it. |
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| 16:45.47 | themill | twobitsprite: didn't sid's xorg update to RandR1.2? That might do it to you. |
| 16:45.55 | twobitsprite | xoz_: they're in the process of GPLing it last I checked |
| 16:46.00 | RickyWh | do windows machines have a resolv.conf? |
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| 16:46.06 | twobitsprite | themill: well... it seems to be _less_ functional... |
| 16:46.14 | xoz_ | twobitsprite: ah. still in the process. |
| 16:46.18 | Lark1 | does mdadm --assemble [device 1] [device 2] format the devices? or is it safe to use on previously configured raid devices? |
| 16:46.26 | themill | twobitsprite: ahh.... nice... I've not used it, but check xrandr --version |
| 16:46.28 | stew | xoz_: they gpl'd some of it. the current source they are providing contains GPL2 mixed with non-GPL2 compatible licenses, such as APL2, which menas it is not leagally distributable |
| 16:46.30 | dewszaq | If I installed madwifi with "m-a a-i madwifi", do I have madwifi-old, madwifi-ng or just madwifi? This is confusing <.< |
| 16:46.41 | stew | xoz_: and some of it is still completely closed source last i looked |
| 16:46.47 | twobitsprite | themill: yeah, it's 1.2 |
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| 16:46.56 | xoz_ | they better be... i heard that ruby is overtaking java's popularity in web development |
| 16:46.56 | abrotman | xoz_: oh .. a date? or meeting for food/dinner? |
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| 16:47.12 | hipodilski | stew: can you help me please I can't figure out what's the exact purpose of .dsc file in the build |
| 16:47.21 | SlackRat | arg |
| 16:47.37 | stew | hipodilski: the dsc just points to the other files needed for the build, generally a .tar.gz and a .diff.gz |
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| 16:47.56 | JohnAlson | hi all |
| 16:47.57 | xoz_ | abrotman: no. just happened to be in SIngapore so just logical to meet and maybe get some tips how to survive here ;) |
| 16:47.59 | hipodilski | stew: ok how to use it to build from it? |
| 16:48.11 | abrotman | xoz_: ah okay .. |
| 16:48.11 | sh0wt1me | anyone know how to find out what version of debian a system is running, the uname doesnt seem to work to well with it |
| 16:48.14 | hipodilski | in the above example you said "dget" no dget at all "wget"? |
| 16:48.16 | abrotman | !version |
| 16:48.16 | dpkg | Kernel: uname -r. Debian: cat /etc/debian_version. and: dpkg -l libc6 | tail -n 1. Package: dpkg -l _pkgname_. Miscellaneous: try --version on the command. check /etc/apt/sources.list; run apt-cache policy <packagename>, or lsb_release -a, or cat /proc/version |
| 16:48.22 | stew | hipodilski: dget -x http://url.to.samba_version.dsc ; cd samba-$version ; apt-get build-dep samba ; apt-get install build-essential ; dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot |
| 16:48.24 | twobitsprite | xrandr used to have an option to disable a display... now I don't see that any more |
| 16:48.31 | hipodilski | stew: I don't have dget |
| 16:48.52 | stew | hipodilski: its in the devscripts package |
| 16:48.52 | themill | hipodilski: it's in the devscripts package |
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| 16:48.56 | hipodilski | stew: is it a package ? |
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| 16:49.02 | xoz_ | abrotman: just learned today she is now *dwu* |
| 16:49.20 | twobitsprite | drive while undressed? |
| 16:49.20 | Lark1 | does mdadm --assemble [device 1] [device 2] format the devices? or is it safe to use on previously configured raid devices? |
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| 16:49.28 | JohnAlson | do anybody know where I coudl get a mysql repository for debian? |
| 16:49.37 | xoz_ | sh0wt1me: /etc/debian_version |
| 16:49.39 | JohnAlson | can´t find one anywhere :( |
| 16:49.39 | kenjy | guys some one here can help me to translate one regex from apache way to a PCRE way? |
| 16:49.41 | vipersniper | http://pastebin.ca/798105 |
| 16:49.49 | vipersniper | will not install |
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| 16:49.58 | twobitsprite | kenjy: try #perl |
| 16:50.03 | dwu | xoz_: He's known that longer than you have. :) |
| 16:50.12 | kenjy | tnks twobitsprite |
| 16:50.13 | stew | JohnAlson: what are you trying to do? install mysql-server? |
| 16:50.53 | xoz_ | dwu: heh |
| 16:51.08 | JohnAlson | stew: yes |
| 16:51.36 | stew | JohnAlson: mysql-server is in debian's main repository, "aptitude install mysql-server" should work |
| 16:51.40 | hipodilski | pkg-parsechangelog: error: cannot open debian/changelog to find format: No such file or directory |
| 16:51.43 | hipodilski | dpkg-buildpackage: unable to determine source package is |
| 16:51.46 | hipodilski | stew: ? |
| 16:51.59 | abrotman | xoz_: yes indeed |
| 16:52.07 | vipersniper | any thoughts on that error |
| 16:52.16 | stew | hipodilski: did dget -x succeed? |
| 16:52.21 | JohnAlson | stew: I installed a net distribuition. And it did´t find it when I did an apt-get install mysql :/ |
| 16:52.28 | hipodilski | stew: yes |
| 16:52.32 | abrotman | Hadaka: tzsetup ? |
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| 16:52.38 | JohnAlson | stew: by teh way I only have console |
| 16:52.40 | stew | JohnAlson: the package name is mysql-server, not mysql |
| 16:52.47 | xoz_ | hipodilski: touch debian/changelog |
| 16:52.50 | bbb | how can i change the keyboard layout in terminal? |
| 16:52.56 | stew | hipodilski: did the following 'cd' command work? |
| 16:53.03 | abrotman | !tell bbb about keymap |
| 16:53.14 | stew | xoz_: why? |
| 16:53.19 | hipodilski | dget: curl samba_3.0.24.orig.tar.gz http://people.debian.org/~vorlon/samba/samba_3.0.24.orig.tar.gz failed |
| 16:53.23 | hipodilski | gpg: Signature made Sat 24 Nov 2007 12:32:55 PM EET using DSA key ID 29982E5A |
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| 16:54.00 | hipodilski | seems samba_3.0.24.orig.tar.gz is missing from the package maintainer directory? |
| 16:54.07 | vipersniper | whats up with php-cli? |
| 16:54.07 | xoz_ | stew: the script expected the file (changelog) to be there... just to fool the script |
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| 16:54.27 | LinuxHelp | Does lenny work with a 2.4 kernel? |
| 16:54.48 | lindenle | Does anyone know if denyhosts has an irc channel? |
| 16:54.51 | stew | xoz_: please don't guess |
| 16:55.00 | JohnAlson | stew: yah you´re right, I was expecting to to return me all packages with "mysql" ocurrence, same as urpmi, etc... |
| 16:55.04 | bbb | stew: yay that worked, how about setting custom keymaps? |
| 16:55.07 | stew | hipodilski: get samba_3.0.24.orig.tar.gz from http://security.debian.org/debian-security/pool/updates/main/s/samba/samba_3.0.24.orig.tar.gz then run "dpkg-source -x samba*.dsc" |
| 16:55.08 | Peanut | Hi, I have two machines - one Intel Celeron based with 2.5GB, and a Sun X4200 Opteron based one with 4GB. The Intel machine sees all its 2.5GB of memory, but for some reason the Sun only shows 1 GB out of 4, and is running 2.6.18-4-486 as kernel (fresh Etch install) - might that be the cause for my missing memory? How would one go about fixing that? |
| 16:55.17 | Ronin | JohnAlson: it will if you go say for example apt-cache search |
| 16:56.20 | hipodilski | dpkg-source -x samba*.dsc |
| 16:56.20 | hipodilski | gpg: Signature made Sat 24 Nov 2007 12:32:55 PM EET using DSA key ID 29982E5A |
| 16:56.21 | hipodilski | gpg: Can't check signature: public key not found |
| 16:56.21 | hipodilski | dpkg-source: failure: cannot read ./samba_3.0.24-6etch7.diff.gz: No such file or directory |
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| 16:58.30 | Lark1 | I need someone that can help me with a specific question about mdadm and linux raid. |
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| 16:58.42 | hipodilski | sorry |
| 16:58.45 | stew | hipodilski: i guess that dget didn't get the .diff.gz when the orig.tar.gz was missing, so download that manually from the same location as the .dsc, then rerun dpkg-source -x |
| 16:58.54 | hipodilski | stew: ok I have it now |
| 16:58.55 | hipodilski | dpkg-source: unpacking samba_3.0.24.orig.tar.gz |
| 16:58.55 | hipodilski | dpkg-source: applying ./samba_3.0.24-6etch7.diff.gz |
| 16:58.59 | vipersniper | http://pastebin.ca/798105, anyone have any thoughts on this error |
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| 16:59.07 | hipodilski | stew: it seems unpackaged now what? |
| 16:59.13 | themill | !tell hipodilski about paste |
| 16:59.43 | vipersniper | how do i make php5-cli install |
| 16:59.57 | stew | hipodilski: apt-get build-dep samba ; aptitude install build-essential fakeroot ; cd samba-3.0.24 ; dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot |
| 17:00.02 | LinuxHelp | <Peanut> I remember a kernel compilation option which turns on/off >1GB ram support, therefor I assume your kernel has it turned off |
| 17:00.13 | dwu | xoz_: Go to bed! I am too :) |
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| 17:00.18 | themill | vipersniper: aptitude install php5-cli |
| 17:00.19 | LinuxHelp | However, I don't know about which kernel to download to turn it on |
| 17:01.25 | minus198 | http://www.jenving.se/image/md06-eu.jpg What are these called in English? |
| 17:01.30 | stew | vipersniper: can you show us the output of "apt-cache policy php5-cli php5-common" ; use a pastebin: /msg dpkg pastebin |
| 17:01.34 | Lark1 | <PROTECTED> |
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| 17:02.13 | Ronin | Lark1: you should ask the question tehn |
| 17:02.14 | hipodilski | stew: ok great that did it. after it's compiled it remains as a deb and I have to install it manually right? |
| 17:02.15 | Ronin | then |
| 17:02.18 | hipodilski | with dpkg -i |
| 17:02.29 | stew | hipodilski: it will create a deb in the directory with the .dsc |
| 17:02.45 | Lark1 | How to assemble raid device from 3 disks with information already on them (from previous linux raid) |
| 17:02.46 | hipodilski | stew: sorry for wasting your time with such things when I have time I have to read the debian's developer docs about packaging etc. |
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| 17:03.09 | stew | hipodilski: its not a problem |
| 17:03.47 | xoz_ | dwu: yep. good night. |
| 17:04.14 | hipodilski | stew: ok thanks :) |
| 17:06.33 | Nuxis | stew: what is the status of you wm? I saw a screenshot verry nice |
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| 17:06.52 | vipersniper | stew, i got it sorted out, thanks |
| 17:06.55 | vipersniper | bye |
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| 17:07.52 | stew | Nuxis: its in a good working state now. and trying to add a feature that ion3 has that my wife wants put me into 2 weeks of failing to fix a very stupid bug, so i took a break to do other things, I'm going to get back to it soon. |
| 17:08.11 | stew | Nuxis: the feature i'm working on is the 'scratchpad' in ion3. once i have that in a steady state, i'm going to upload to experimental |
| 17:08.20 | Nuxis | stew: nice if you need any help you can contact me :) |
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| 17:08.47 | Nuxis | stew: I got a server running so if you need any place/shell or whatever :) + I can test it offcourse |
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| 17:09.09 | cTATUK | http://s11.info/?Documentation:MEGATHREAD |
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| 17:09.39 | dewszaq | When i have installed madwifi with this command: "m-a a-i madwifi". Do I have madwifi-ng that is supported by wpasupplicant? Or do I have madwifi-old? |
| 17:09.50 | stew | Nuxis: i have many of my own servers, but thanks. any testing / patches are certainly welcome :) |
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| 17:10.08 | Nuxis | ok :) I can program in C also just if you need any help .. :) |
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| 17:10.37 | stew | Nuxis: this is purely python, even down to the xlib implementation i'm using |
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| 17:11.02 | leoechevarria | hi everybody |
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| 17:11.04 | LinuxHelp | Oh well, lenny libc6 wouldn't install on 2.4 |
| 17:11.04 | Nuxis | yea I can : C, C++ (a bit), python, perl, php, html (offcourse :p) |
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| 17:11.21 | leoechevarria | please i need your help for one minute |
| 17:11.29 | sh0wt1me | i had one of my guys change the repositories in sources.list to the wrong one, he then ran an update and install some stuff i asked him too, they didnt install but seem to have broken things |
| 17:11.32 | Nuxis | stew: you got a website for the wm so I can take a look at it? |
| 17:11.32 | stew | leoechevarria: if you have a question, just ask it |
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| 17:12.03 | leoechevarria | i got a problem with burning cds... i think it's a k3b problem |
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| 17:12.32 | sh0wt1me | any idea how i can get my apt-get working again and pulling the right packages? |
| 17:12.47 | leoechevarria | the drive burns until about 80%, and then the cd goes out the drive |
| 17:12.53 | xored | how do i let mysql reconstructy /var/lib/mysql ( data folder ) after it hase bis corrupt and need to be reconstructed ( mysql db ) |
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| 17:13.05 | Lark1 | The Answer to my question: Use, mdadm --assemble --force [md device] [partitions list] |
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| 17:13.14 | leoechevarria | k3b shows something about that the drive doesn't have permission to do that |
| 17:13.35 | stew | Nuxis: http://sourceforge.net/projects/tritium ; the git repository (that i recommend starting from) is http://tritium.vireo.org/trunk/ or http://tritium.vireo.org/cgi-bin/gitweb.cgi?p=tritium.git;a=summary |
| 17:13.40 | leoechevarria | but the burning isn't completed and it still opens the drive! |
| 17:13.42 | hipodilski | stew: is it possible to use dpkg to upgrade the builded deb packages? |
| 17:13.51 | Nuxis | stew: k tnx I will take a look at it |
| 17:13.53 | stew | hipodilski: dpkg -i pkg1 pkg2 pkg3 |
| 17:13.56 | leoechevarria | any idea? |
| 17:14.03 | RickyWh | at any given time should /var/log/syslog be empty? |
| 17:14.13 | DawnLight | leoechevarria: try another medium |
| 17:14.14 | RickyWh | on a system that has no errors |
| 17:14.17 | stew | leoechevarria: what is the exact error message? |
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| 17:14.28 | DawnLight | media ... |
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| 17:14.40 | leoechevarria | i'm sorry but i don't remember exactly |
| 17:15.02 | leoechevarria | "the device has no permission to open..." |
| 17:15.05 | leoechevarria | something like that |
| 17:15.10 | stew | RickyWh: no, it shouldn't be empty. at a minimum it should have a "syslogd restart" message at the beginning |
| 17:15.19 | stew | leoechevarria: to open what? |
| 17:15.33 | Samuel | I hate it when Irc chat room admins ban me! |
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| 17:15.39 | leoechevarria | the drive |
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| 17:15.50 | dwu | Don't be annoying at them, then. Are you evading a ban? |
| 17:16.03 | leoechevarria | i'm argentinian so i don't know much vocabulary, what's the ... thing that you put the cd on called ? :p |
| 17:16.12 | dwu | leoechevarria: A drive? |
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| 17:16.28 | leoechevarria | yeah, but the plastic |
| 17:16.32 | leoechevarria | the thing that comes out |
| 17:16.33 | leoechevarria | :p |
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| 17:16.40 | up365 | tray |
| 17:16.43 | stew | leoechevarria: it should be complaining about a particular file, like /dev/cdrw or something |
| 17:16.46 | leoechevarria | that one |
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| 17:17.02 | leoechevarria | it's happened to me a few times, it's not always |
| 17:17.31 | leoechevarria | i got to burn an .iso file, should i try with gnome burning tool? |
| 17:17.41 | leoechevarria | ah, by the way, i use gnome |
| 17:17.44 | leoechevarria | on debian lenny |
| 17:17.56 | leoechevarria | maybe there's something missing for k3b, like a library or something |
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| 17:18.10 | leoechevarria | don't u think? |
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| 17:18.24 | DawnLight | leoechevarria: try a firmware update |
| 17:18.43 | leoechevarria | for the drive? |
| 17:18.50 | DawnLight | positive |
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| 17:19.21 | leoechevarria | i've never updated the firmware |
| 17:19.38 | DawnLight | i guessed so |
| 17:19.56 | RickyWh | by default does named come with 4 local zones only? |
| 17:19.59 | leoechevarria | i think it's lack of respect if i ask you to teach me how to do it |
| 17:20.02 | RickyWh | then you gotta make the rest right? |
| 17:20.04 | leoechevarria | i'll search a little |
| 17:20.15 | leoechevarria | if you wanna help me with this... :p |
| 17:20.19 | leoechevarria | you're welcome :D |
| 17:20.42 | DawnLight | leoechevarria: go to the manufacturer's website. you'll probably need windows for this |
| 17:20.55 | leoechevarria | >_< |
| 17:20.59 | leoechevarria | :p |
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| 17:22.14 | JshWright | Is there a way to "redirect" ctrl-alt-del to a different keystroke? (inittab?) |
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| 17:22.40 | leoechevarria | thanks DawnLight , i'll try that |
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| 17:24.50 | Peanut | Which kernel should I have on a dual opteron machine running Etch, and how do I get that kernel on it? |
| 17:25.05 | kenjy | guys the people of #nginx, #perl and #regex can't help me, is here some one who can help me to translate a apache rewrite rule to nginx rewrite rules? |
| 17:25.15 | rmaj | how to grab a dvd (with dvd movie) into hard drive file(s) so that I can both play it and record a copy of that DVD |
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| 17:27.59 | DawnLight | Peanut: you get kernels by 'aptitude install linux-image-CPU. where CPU is system-dependant. in your case i don't know what it is. in my case, amd athlon 64 X2 it is amd64 |
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| 17:28.27 | SamuraiDio | hi |
| 17:28.47 | SamuraiDio | how do i disable my cpu beep? |
| 17:29.03 | cahoot | modprobe -r pcspkr |
| 17:29.10 | Peanut | DawnLight: thanks.. is there a list of available cpu types so I can find the right package? |
| 17:29.10 | DawnLight | rmaj: you can make an image of it with dd but what you really want is to rip it with some video encoding software |
| 17:29.55 | DawnLight | Peanut: yes, run aptitude without commands and browse |
| 17:30.05 | salvin | SamuraiDio, xset b off |
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| 17:31.26 | rmaj | DawnLight: why encoding? |
| 17:31.33 | rmaj | DawnLight: I want exact copy of it |
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| 17:31.52 | DawnLight | rmaj: in that case use dd |
| 17:31.53 | rmaj | to make duplication/backup of a DVD, except not to other dvd but to hard drive image file or whatever |
| 17:32.14 | rmaj | DawnLight: so dd is the correct way to make exact dupliation of dvd? |
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| 17:33.05 | DawnLight | rmaj: something like 'dd if=/dev/cdrom of=~/movies/blah.iso' i think. but i've never done it |
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| 17:33.37 | salvin | yes |
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| 17:34.05 | DawnLight | rmaj: salvin seems to confirm |
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| 17:34.17 | rmaj | mhm thanks DawnLight salvin |
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| 17:34.31 | Serega | hello, guys |
| 17:34.46 | rmaj | http://linuxlore.blogspot.com/2006/11/howto-create-iso-images-and-mount-iso.html |
| 17:34.51 | Serega | my friend accidentaly installed (with --force) some version of xlib and he have troubles with it. Who does know how to reinstall native xlib? |
| 17:35.03 | Serega | I think it is apt-related question |
| 17:35.19 | DawnLight | Serega: open aptitude and try to work it out there |
| 17:35.22 | `VL | Hello. i`m new to debian. I want latest clamavd on my debian system(server), how can i do this? i think i need to add something to sources.list... (currently using etch stable) |
| 17:35.25 | azeem | Serega: what trouble exactly? |
| 17:35.27 | arawako | ~dpkg |
| 17:35.27 | apt | dpkg is probably a bot, or the low-level command to install and manipulate Debian package files (.debs). |
| 17:35.39 | stew | `VL: /msg dpkg volatile |
| 17:36.12 | `VL | stew: thanks, i`ll look |
| 17:36.20 | Serega | azeem: he has downloaded some proprietary thing and tried to install manually resolving dependencies |
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| 17:36.29 | Excentrik | Hi everyone. I've a question regarding dselect. I've compiled a package from source and I would like to hold it, but every time that I do update, select, install in dselect, it tries to get the repository version. |
| 17:36.34 | Excentrik | any way to solve this? |
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| 17:36.57 | wols_ | !hold |
| 17:36.57 | dpkg | hold is a status flag which tells apt (or aptitude) not to automatically upgrade a package. To hold a package, 'echo pkgname hold|dpkg --set-selections' or use = in aptitude's curses interface. You can ignore a hold by using apt-get install foopkg; or by using + in aptitude's curses interface. [Note that this is *NOT* the same as packages which have been "held back" because they require packages that are not currently (or tri |
| 17:37.06 | wols_ | Excentrik: don't use dselect, use aptitude |
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| 17:37.35 | Excentrik | aptitude is kinda not so user friendly ... :( |
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| 17:37.48 | Serega | Thanks fellows! |
| 17:37.49 | stew | Excentrik: 'echo pkgname hold|dpkg --set-selections' shoudl work |
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| 17:38.13 | Excentrik | or at least, I'm just used to dselect, more than 5 years using it :P |
| 17:38.17 | DawnLight | Excentrik: it just chooses it's users well |
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| 17:38.50 | DawnLight | !tell Excentrik about aptitude |
| 17:38.54 | Peanut | I get dumped into the 'busybox' shell because my root partition can't be mounted - the grub 'root=/dev/sdi1' entry is wrong. Can I just fix that in busybox in some way and move on, or do I need to reboot and edit the grub bootline? |
| 17:39.12 | wols_ | Excentrik: dselect is deprecated basically |
| 17:39.20 | junix|work | where is the location of iceweasel located?? |
| 17:39.22 | Excentrik | lol. ok ok. don't me any more :P |
| 17:39.24 | DawnLight | aptitude purge dselect |
| 17:39.31 | Excentrik | lol |
| 17:39.32 | junix|work | i'm trying to install adobe flash casue the debian version isn't working |
| 17:39.52 | Excentrik | so much trouble just to held a package. :P |
| 17:40.10 | wols_ | junix|work: dpkg -L |
| 17:40.47 | dalias | debian version of flash? |
| 17:40.52 | dalias | i dont think there's such a thing.. |
| 17:41.22 | SamuraiDio | junix|work, you can install flash player locally, as an iceweasel extension |
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| 17:41.47 | wols_ | dalias: there is |
| 17:41.55 | wols_ | junix|work: use the backports one |
| 17:42.10 | dalias | debian is only free software |
| 17:42.11 | wols_ | dalias: well, non-free of course so not strictly debian |
| 17:42.12 | junix|work | SamuraiDio, it takes me to adobe's website |
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| 17:42.41 | Excentrik | ok, the hold flag seems to work. but now if there is an update of the package it won't download right? (I know, I know, use aptitude, but until I really learn how to work with it) |
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| 17:43.05 | stew | Excentrik: correct. |
| 17:43.35 | stew | dalias: apt-cache show gnash |
| 17:43.50 | stew | wols_: who says that dselect is deprecated? |
| 17:43.59 | Excentrik | hmm, so no way to allow it to only update with a new version? |
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| 17:44.36 | stew | Excentrik: that's how it always works |
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| 17:45.02 | dalias | stew, :) |
| 17:45.05 | dalias | if only gnash worked... |
| 17:45.06 | stew | Excentrik: did you compile your source with the same version of the debian version? |
| 17:45.16 | Excentrik | yes... |
| 17:45.23 | dalias | it plays flv at 0.5 fps, probably due to the nasty gstreamer wrappers |
| 17:45.51 | stew | Excentrik: i'd recommend bumping the version by adding something like +excentrik1 to the end of the version number, so that do dpkg it looks like it is newer than the one you recompiled, but older than anything new coming from debian |
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| 17:46.36 | Excentrik | yeap, I was planning to do so, but I forgot to do it before compiling and erasing the source :P |
| 17:46.48 | Excentrik | anyway, what is the ideal way to bump the version? |
| 17:47.34 | stew | Excentrik: "dch --nmu" would add a new changelog entry (which is how it determines what number it is building). that will add a .1 to the end version number, change that to a +whatever |
| 17:47.56 | Excentrik | okay. I just used to edit the changelog by hand :P |
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| 17:52.00 | Samuel | If I Install Lenny once it solves its little Nvidia driver incompatibility problem I could stick with it right up to when it gets released. |
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| 17:52.27 | stew | Samuel: yes. just make sure your sources.list is referring to "lenny" instead of "testing" |
| 17:52.59 | namit | in practise how is locking done in programs? |
| 17:53.24 | Samuel | If I install Lenny now and update it will my installation be exactly the same once it's released as it would if I do a fresh installation on release day? |
| 17:53.51 | namit | like if you have synaptics open and I run apt-get but apt-get complains how is that done? |
| 17:54.11 | stew | namit: with flock (man 2 flock) |
| 17:54.27 | stew | namit: or just testing for the existence of a file |
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| 17:55.31 | DJ-Marcuzz | hhmm, i have another stragnge problem: im loging into gnome by vnc4server, and there gksudo won't start a program, it works fine on the pc itself thou :S |
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| 17:55.46 | namit | just my lecturer was saying you create a file called whatever.lck and check if that file is there. but if I do kill -9 prgram1 it does not have time to clean up. |
| 17:56.32 | stew | namit: yes, but if the application is well behaved, it will clean up if you just "kill program1" |
| 17:56.53 | jelly | namit: that's called a dotlock. It doesn't work well on NFS, for example. |
| 17:56.55 | stew | namit: but in general, flock will handle this correctly, as the flock will go away when you kill -9 |
| 17:57.01 | kb3llm | need some help: debserv kernel: Critical temperature reached (-264 C), shutting down. Broadcast message from root@debserv (Mon Nov 26 12:30:38 2007):The system is going down for system halt NOW! so its saying that its going down for halt because its too cold!?! thats just.. weird.. need some help |
| 17:57.24 | wols_ | stew: ok not deprecated but still. aptitude now works |
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| 17:57.31 | namit | stew: jelly: thanks for that will look it up |
| 17:58.03 | stew | wols_: yeah, so does synaptics and apt-get and several others |
| 17:58.09 | Samuel | OMG -264 C?!?!?? That must be an error! |
| 17:58.14 | Excentrik | stew, thanks for the help :) |
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| 17:58.30 | Excentrik | cya all |
| 17:58.33 | Samuel | cya |
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| 17:58.48 | kb3llm | Samuel: yeah - .. how to fix? |
| 17:59.04 | Samuel | kb3llm: No idea I'm no good with computers. |
| 17:59.15 | fueL\\ | with apt-get is there a way to ignore certain dependencies? I'm trying to install nagios without install exim |
| 17:59.15 | kb3llm | anyone? |
| 17:59.22 | Tobsan | lol |
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| 17:59.24 | Tobsan | oops |
| 17:59.43 | fueL\\ | installing* |
| 17:59.51 | Samuel | What's a debserv kernel? |
| 17:59.56 | stew | fueL\\: you dont' need exim, but you should have SOME mta installed. |
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| 18:00.10 | SamuraiDio | salvin, tnx |
| 18:00.14 | stew | fueL\\: otherwise, how is nagios going to email you about failures? |
| 18:00.15 | kb3llm | can anyone help me? |
| 18:00.35 | kb3llm | I use this as a server - I dont want it shutting down every time because its getting too cold. Thats just retarded. |
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| 18:00.47 | fueL\\ | stew: I know, I'm running qmail.... but, when I try to install nagios via apt... exim is a dep and it forces me to install |
| 18:00.52 | stew | Samuel: debserv is his hostname |
| 18:01.14 | wols_ | kb3llm: are you running an acpid? |
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| 18:01.23 | wols_ | that's the only one I can imagine doing such silly things |
| 18:01.29 | kb3llm | not that I know of. |
| 18:01.41 | stew | fueL\\: you need to tell dpkg that qmail satisfies the 'mail-transport-agent' virtual package, /msg dpkg equivs |
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| 18:02.24 | wols_ | kb3llm: the question is, what is looking for temps for you? |
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| 18:02.42 | fueL\\ | stew: thanks, that answers my question! |
| 18:02.54 | kb3llm | wols_: i have no clue. lol... umm. how do I find out? |
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| 18:04.14 | dan | having trouble with dpkg when upgrading vmware-server-kernel-modules-2.6.20-16 anyone know about this problem? |
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| 18:05.46 | signuts | Morn |
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| 18:07.38 | bororo-66 | hallo auch, ich hab mir debian zum ersten mal installiert. ging auch alles gut, aber ich kann nicht azf meine partitionen zugreifen. kann mir da wer helfen?? |
| 18:07.50 | azeem | !de |
| 18:07.50 | dpkg | deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de (auf irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net oder irc.belwue.de) - German speaking users please go to #debian.de (on irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net or irc.belwue.de) |
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| 18:08.36 | JonkoPa | http://arvind.gotdns.org does it work? |
| 18:09.29 | junix|work | i can't get the mozilla player to work |
| 18:09.39 | junix|work | the mozilla flash installer |
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| 18:12.00 | CharminTheMoose | hey can someone recommend where i post a patch for heliwm? on which usenet group? comp.os.linux.x? |
| 18:12.03 | waltz | how do I install firefox? |
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| 18:12.21 | SpeedyG | aptitude install iceweasel ? :) |
| 18:12.21 | stew | waltz: aptitude install iceweasel ; /msg dpkg iceweasel |
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| 18:12.36 | Kobaz | how can i see which processess are using what amount of disk io |
| 18:12.42 | waltz | what is this iceweasel? :o |
| 18:12.49 | SpeedyG | waltz: firefox for debian |
| 18:12.53 | stew | dpkg: tell waltz about iceseasel |
| 18:13.02 | stew | dpkg: tell waltz about iceweasel |
| 18:13.05 | waltz | aha |
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| 18:14.23 | Kobaz | if you ask something that isn't an faq, then yeah, people will talk |
| 18:14.25 | Kobaz | er |
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| 18:14.32 | Kobaz | wrong window |
| 18:15.06 | Ronin | heh |
| 18:15.43 | sebdah | Where would be the best place to put a env var that I want to keep when I reboot the server? |
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| 18:16.10 | dalias | the question is not meaningful by itself |
| 18:16.15 | dalias | each process has its own environment |
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| 18:16.51 | sebdah | dalias: are you talking to me? |
| 18:16.55 | hoxu | sebdah, if you are using bash, you can put it in ~/.bashrc or ~/.bash_profile |
| 18:17.15 | sebdah | the thing is that I might not log in after the reboot. Its a server |
| 18:17.26 | kiiz | hi guys, is it possible to run multiple instances of jigdo simutanously to download the same iso |
| 18:17.34 | abrotman | sebdah: what are you trying to start? what program needs the env_var? |
| 18:17.37 | stew | sebdah: who needs to see the ENV var? some daemon? everyone? |
| 18:17.57 | sebdah | The line is: TZ='Europe/Stockholm'; |
| 18:18.08 | sebdah | it's for the timezone |
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| 18:18.31 | abrotman | sebdah: for what server? |
| 18:18.37 | abrotman | sebdah: or for everyone? |
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| 18:19.00 | sebdah | what server? a debian 4.0 |
| 18:19.12 | abrotman | sebdah: does *everyone* want that timezone? |
| 18:19.17 | hoxu | sebdah, no, what program/server/service/daemon/process needs that environment variable? |
| 18:19.21 | sebdah | abrotman: yes |
| 18:19.28 | abrotman | !set the time |
| 18:19.28 | dpkg | To set the time in debian, use date --set. The truly enlightened user, however, will install ntp and adjtimex to have their clock set automatically on reboot and slewed to match time servers. You may also need to run tzconfig (sarge, etch), dpkg-reconfigure tzdata (lenny, sid), and make sure you have the right UTC setting in /etc/default/rcS first. |
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| 18:19.38 | PeaceNLove | What do I put into /etc/network/interfaces to keep eth0 down at all time ? |
| 18:19.38 | abrotman | sebdah: use tzconfig to set it |
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| 18:19.47 | sebdah | abrotman: thanks! |
| 18:19.49 | abrotman | PeaceNLove: does it have an 'auto eth0' line ? |
| 18:19.54 | PeaceNLove | yes |
| 18:19.58 | abrotman | take that out |
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| 18:20.03 | PeaceNLove | nope, doesn't help |
| 18:20.11 | PeaceNLove | still uses dhcp on that if |
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| 18:20.26 | RickyWh | is rndc that comes with all latest bind release in all distros? or only some? |
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| 18:20.40 | minix | irc.bizimturk.com : -) |
| 18:20.43 | PeaceNLove | abrotman, any other idea ? |
| 18:20.54 | minix | PeaceNLove a.k |
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| 18:21.25 | abrotman | PeaceNLove: paste your interfaces file somewhere |
| 18:21.33 | abrotman | sanitize if need be |
| 18:21.37 | PeaceNLove | ok |
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| 18:22.23 | PeaceNLove | http://phpfi.org/paste/index.php?48 |
| 18:22.34 | PeaceNLove | oh wait |
| 18:22.39 | abrotman | just comment out the 'auto eth0' line |
| 18:22.41 | PeaceNLove | i'll comment out eth0 |
| 18:22.56 | PeaceNLove | abrotman, and iface eth0 inet dhcp line ? |
| 18:23.01 | PeaceNLove | also ? |
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| 18:23.02 | abrotman | you don't have to |
| 18:23.06 | PeaceNLove | ok |
| 18:23.07 | Kobaz | anyone know of any apps to measure current disk io of running programs |
| 18:23.31 | abrotman | atop can .. if you read the docs .. i think |
| 18:23.48 | PeaceNLove | doing networking restart |
| 18:23.48 | PeaceNLove | aha, looks ok |
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| 18:24.04 | PeaceNLove | Kobaz, iostat |
| 18:24.20 | Kobaz | nifty |
| 18:24.33 | PeaceNLove | and look into tcsh's customization of time |
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| 18:24.37 | PeaceNLove | it has number of io |
| 18:24.40 | PeaceNLove | per process |
| 18:24.44 | abrotman | Kobaz: i think it requires a proc setting or a kernel patch .. can't recall |
| 18:24.46 | PeaceNLove | like, you do time dd |
| 18:24.53 | PeaceNLove | and it can show yout the counters of i/o |
| 18:24.57 | RickyWh | does rndc come with all latest bind release in all distros? or only some? |
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| 18:25.08 | stew | RickyWh: what do you mean by distro? |
| 18:25.31 | RickyWh | like if i got to opensus and install bind9, will rndc come with it also |
| 18:25.45 | stew | RickyWh: ask #opensuse |
| 18:25.57 | RickyWh | opensuse, debian, redhat, etc is what i mean by distros |
| 18:26.13 | RickyWh | i just wanted to know if rndc is part of bind or does it vary from distro to distro |
| 18:26.15 | stew | RickyWh: ask #redhat ; #opensuse ; or perhaps ##linux |
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| 18:26.25 | stew | RickyWh: its part of bind |
| 18:26.28 | abrotman | or even #bind |
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| 18:26.42 | zinx | RickyWh: we only know how Debian packages things here |
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| 18:28.16 | Peanut | I've done an 'apt-get install linux-image-2.6.18-5-amd64' which updated grub etc.. now my system no longer recognises keypresses when in the grub menu, help! :-( |
| 18:28.46 | stew | Peanut: perhaps ask #grub |
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| 18:29.26 | dewszaq | I managed to get on net with with the device ath0. Then I reboot, and at cant find the device... "ifconfig ath0 up" "ath0: error while getting interface flags: No such device" |
| 18:29.50 | abrotman | dewszaq: is the module loaded for the device? |
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| 18:30.16 | dewszaq | yes, "modload ath_pci" and i can see it with lsmod |
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| 18:30.26 | dewszaq | modprobe* |
| 18:30.41 | abrotman | check in dmesg if it said anything |
| 18:30.51 | abrotman | or ifconfig -a .. is there any 'ath*' device ? |
| 18:32.04 | dewszaq | no ath* device when i use ifconfig -a |
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| 18:32.30 | cahoot | iwconfig? |
| 18:32.43 | dewszaq | I cant see anything in dmesg related to network. |
| 18:32.48 | dewszaq | not there cahoot |
| 18:33.46 | dewszaq | And i can see it with lspci |
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| 18:36.56 | tarzeau | gcc really is the gnome color chooser? http://www.alice-dsl.net/gybrush/gcc.png |
| 18:36.58 | kiiz | how possible is it to run multiple instances of jigdo simutanously to download the same iso |
| 18:37.33 | tarzeau | kiiz: gee you use jigdo? |
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| 18:40.24 | kiiz | tarzeau: heard it was faster .is it? |
| 18:40.50 | tarzeau | kiiz: no idea, i've never had it work for me.... |
| 18:40.57 | tarzeau | kiiz: why not just wget -c the iso image? |
| 18:41.11 | tralala | kiiz, torrent must be faster |
| 18:41.18 | stew | torrent is definately slower |
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| 18:42.00 | stew | when i download with jigdo, it immediately is downloading as fast as my connection can, with torrent, you have to wait until you find enough good peers before it will max out your connection |
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| 18:42.33 | kiiz | jigdo does use wget.and i agree with stew |
| 18:43.37 | stew | kiiz: jigdo is probably not faster than wgetting an iso, but would be much better in the case where you are refreshing an iso that you previously downloaded with jigdo, where only a subset of packages have changed |
| 18:44.34 | JonkoPa | http://arvind.gotdns.org does it work? |
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| 18:45.09 | DJ-Marcuzz | ow man, i get an Xvnc: client 13 rejected from IP 127.0.0.1 port 45121 from my Xvnc, and i dunnow why, its when i try to start gksu in xvnc |
| 18:45.11 | rto | JonkoPa: nope |
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| 18:46.03 | diafic | Is there anything like compiz's expose-like function that isn't as.. heavy.. as compiz |
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| 18:48.17 | Skaag | diafic: I think Plasma in KDE 4.0 (upcoming) will have something like you want |
| 18:48.44 | diafic | ooooOOOOoooh |
| 18:48.47 | diafic | link? |
| 18:48.50 | JonkoPa | rto, http://86.94.137.155 |
| 18:48.54 | JonkoPa | rto, does that work? |
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| 18:49.27 | rto | JonkoPa: Yes that works, maybe just a question of giving gotdns.org time to update their servers (and the rest of the DNS net to update) |
| 18:49.30 | hark | diafic: there's kompose, skippy |
| 18:49.41 | JonkoPa | rto, yeah think so |
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| 18:50.24 | diafic | HMM. Shame I hate KDE |
| 18:50.41 | DebianTUX | dings: kde rulz ;( |
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| 18:50.51 | DebianTUX | diafic: |
| 18:50.51 | rto | JonkoPa: You can use dig to see whether it works: dig @dnsserver arvind.gotdns.org |
| 18:51.08 | rto | JonkoPa: And replace dnsserver with whatever gotdns.org's dns is called. |
| 18:51.15 | diafic | I just hate it |
| 18:51.19 | diafic | its heavy and fugly |
| 18:51.26 | diafic | Don't ask why |
| 18:51.33 | diafic | or we'll start a flamewar again |
| 18:51.47 | diafic | Oh look a holy war. Not again! :( |
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| 18:54.14 | tralala | aesthetics is overrated. You needs something that lets you do your job without standing in your way. KDE fits this description |
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| 18:54.35 | tralala | (as long as you've got some RAM) |
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| 18:54.55 | diafic | tralala, I have a small XGA screen |
| 18:55.01 | diafic | the taskbar is always too full |
| 18:55.07 | JohnnyL | how does apt-get know which mirror to grab a package from? |
| 18:55.19 | diafic | compiz's expose provided a solution on more powerful machiens |
| 18:55.20 | RandomJohn | hi there, i have some questions regarding kooldock for desktop themes and styles |
| 18:55.26 | neotic | JohnnyL: /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 18:55.30 | diafic | I now have a laptop with a radion 7000 and a 1.1Ghz CPU |
| 18:55.52 | diafic | (and I like gnome) |
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| 18:55.55 | JohnnyL | neonoe, i don't have debian. Though someday I will probably go ubuntu or something. |
| 18:55.55 | diafic | or XFCE |
| 18:55.59 | zinx | I like Fvwm's "FvwmProxy" module |
| 18:55.59 | RandomJohn | i just isntalled kooldock from a .deb, just to see it crashing after starting it from the console |
| 18:56.00 | diafic | or fluxbox even |
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| 18:56.10 | zinx | it's superior to expose in every way, IMVHO |
| 18:56.11 | diafic | I just hate KDE irrationally, so its best not to go there |
| 18:56.19 | JohnnyL | neonoe, how does /etc/apt/sources.list get updated? |
| 18:56.20 | diafic | zinx, show me? |
| 18:56.22 | RandomJohn | with the following output: X Error: BadWindow (invalid Window parameter) 3 |
| 18:56.24 | rto | diafic: I'm on XGA too, i have completely dropped the taskbar, i'm using window chooser applet thingy. |
| 18:56.30 | zinx | well, except how it looks i suppose, but that's more a limitation of the specific implementation :P |
| 18:56.36 | tralala | gnome is wanting in terms of keyboard support |
| 18:56.36 | diafic | rto, screeny? |
| 18:56.43 | zinx | diafic: it pops up a small window above every window, which you can click to raise |
| 18:56.47 | vyrus001 | how can i find out what compiler was used to compile linux-headers-2.6.22-2-amd64 ? |
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| 18:56.57 | tralala | otherwise it's fine |
| 18:57.09 | atchoum_ | wouhouuuuuu |
| 18:57.10 | zinx | diafic: the small window has the title of the window in it |
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| 18:57.17 | diafic | zinx, screeny? |
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| 18:57.20 | rto | diafic: Hmm, not sure what that is, it's the window .. selector it seems to be called in the stock gnome applet package. |
| 18:57.21 | zinx | diafic: i've tone |
| 18:57.22 | zinx | erh, none |
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| 18:57.30 | stew | JohnnyL: do you mean in the case when multiple repositories have the same version of a pacakge? or multiple repsoitories with different versions? |
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| 18:57.54 | boguh | hi, i just installed apache2, php5 libapache2-php5 but php is not working |
| 18:58.07 | diafic | OH THAT THING |
| 18:58.13 | diafic | I bloody hate that thing |
| 18:58.14 | stew | boguh: try "a2enmod php5" |
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| 18:58.50 | rto | diafic: A bit picky this evening? |
| 18:58.54 | boguh | stew althaser did, its enabled |
| 18:59.01 | diafic | rto, :P |
| 18:59.19 | stew | boguh: what makes you say it isn't working? |
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| 18:59.25 | rto | diafic: :-) I think it feels a bit mack like - and i'm getting better with my alt-tab'ing |
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| 18:59.41 | rto | s/mack/mac/ |
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| 18:59.54 | atchoum_ | gni |
| 19:00.12 | boguh | stew i wrote a document <?php echo "hello" ?> but it doesnt display anuything |
| 19:00.33 | rto | boguh: A semicolon after the command might do the trick |
| 19:01.07 | rto | "Humor is the best medicine" |
| 19:01.12 | boguh | rto no :( |
| 19:01.47 | rto | boguh: Doesn't PHP give any errors back? |
| 19:01.54 | boguh | rto works now |
| 19:01.56 | Coweater | not unless you tell it to |
| 19:02.10 | boguh | thank you all |
| 19:02.20 | rto | Coweater: default in Debian is to report the errors. |
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| 19:02.23 | atchoum_ | no pb |
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| 19:03.01 | stew | a trailing semicolon wouldn't be needed there. dunno if echo needs () though |
| 19:03.05 | rto | Guess qweasd needed to go change his pants ;-) |
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| 19:06.14 | n33dhelp | i could use some help utilizing my ATI card |
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| 19:07.02 | hoxu | !ask |
| 19:07.02 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org |
| 19:07.04 | abrotman | it might need a flush |
| 19:07.08 | simonrvn | just ask |
| 19:07.08 | abrotman | oh wait .. that's JSP |
| 19:07.09 | flami | !tell n33dhelp about ask |
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| 19:07.26 | flami | does dpkg still work ? |
| 19:07.31 | abrotman | yes |
| 19:07.37 | abrotman | see above |
| 19:07.42 | simonrvn | look up... |
| 19:07.50 | flami | well it used to tell me what it told someone |
| 19:07.55 | flami | thats why i was wondering |
| 19:08.01 | abrotman | !tell flami about ask |
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| 19:08.06 | abrotman | it did for me |
| 19:08.08 | flami | well that works |
| 19:08.09 | dwu_ | is there such a thing as "stop usb device" in linux? |
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| 19:08.18 | simonrvn | someone had just triggered that factoid... |
| 19:08.23 | dwu_ | so you disconnect the USB device in software? |
| 19:08.25 | n33dhelp | how do i enable desktop effects and install the correct drivers for my ATI card? |
| 19:08.32 | abrotman | simonrvn: that doesn't matter for a tell about |
| 19:08.35 | flami | !tell abrotman about ask |
| 19:08.41 | n33dhelp | perhaps in the reverse order :p |
| 19:08.43 | abrotman | looks like you're on the bot's ignore list :) |
| 19:08.45 | thelostbutler | n33dhelp: what ati card is it ? |
| 19:08.46 | dwu_ | n33dhelp: download the linux package from ATI.com, |
| 19:08.46 | hoxu | simonrvn, at your service :p |
| 19:08.51 | flami | it aint listenin tooo meeeeee |
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| 19:08.53 | abrotman | dwu_: that'd be wrong |
| 19:08.54 | n33dhelp | ati raedon |
| 19:08.59 | abrotman | !tell n33dhelp about fglrx one-liner |
| 19:09.01 | dwu_ | abrotman: what would be? |
| 19:09.13 | flami | bot why do you hate me ? |
| 19:09.39 | stew | i wonder if don started having it ignore all of versanet. we were at some point having lots of problems with someone from versanet |
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| 19:09.56 | n33dhelp | abrotman: i type all that into commandline and that does the deal? |
| 19:09.56 | flami | ohh |
| 19:10.08 | flami | well aint my inet anyway :P |
| 19:10.09 | n33dhelp | terminal i mean |
| 19:10.29 | JohnnyL | stew. well explanations of both will be helpful. |
| 19:10.39 | JohnnyL | :) |
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| 19:11.08 | abrotman | n33dhelp: with the bit about contrib and non-free also .. but yes |
| 19:11.26 | abrotman | stew: seems broad .. but whatever .. |
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| 19:11.33 | chemist | is it possible to run ssh and http servers on the same port? |
| 19:11.42 | abrotman | different IPs |
| 19:11.49 | n33dhelp | abrotman: bash: syntax error near unexpected token `newline' |
| 19:11.55 | stew | JohnnyL: if they are of the same version, it uses the first listed. if they are different versions, it choses the one with the highest priority (which by default is the one with the highest version number). "apt-cache priority packagename" will show you the priorities. "man apt_preferences" for a explanation on how the priorities are manipulated |
| 19:12.05 | SexyKen | Hey guys -- has anyone worked with High Availability & Load Balancing on Debian before? I'm setting up 2 machines as load balancers for high availability and balancing. They'll do nothing but balance traffic, I'm trying to find good resources to help m eout here. |
| 19:12.12 | stew | abrotman: i'm just guessing. we had a ban on versanet.de in the channel for a while as a result |
| 19:12.16 | abrotman | n33dhelp: there is no newline in there |
| 19:12.17 | chemist | abrotman: you mean i need 2 different IP addresses? |
| 19:12.26 | stew | SexyKen: ultramonkey.org and #linux-ha |
| 19:12.36 | abrotman | chemist: i would imagine so |
| 19:12.40 | DebianTUX | diafic: kde runs fine in my pentiumM 1.5 1gb ram, with jdev and lots of unusefull stuff like superkaramba and all :P |
| 19:12.46 | Agiofws | stew, can you take a look here http://web.telia.com/~u89404340/patches/touchpad/2.6.0-test9/ can youtell me how to aply these patches to my vanilla kernel ? |
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| 19:13.03 | hoxu | !trollgong |
| 19:13.06 | JohnnyL | stew ok thanks |
| 19:13.07 | Agiofws | even if my kernel is |
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| 19:13.09 | n33dhelp | abrotman: Reading state information... Done |
| 19:13.09 | n33dhelp | E: Couldn't find package module-assistant |
| 19:13.14 | dwu_ | abrotman: it would not be wrong because windows supports it |
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| 19:13.23 | SexyKen | stew: I'm in linux-ha and they're lame ;-) anyway...have you worked with ultramonkey? Is ultra monkey the way to go? |
| 19:13.25 | keny-AiSu | Bonjour J'ais un problème avec ma connèxion Quand je télécharge un truck et que ma mèr est au téléphone sa fait une connèxion lente , le telephone bug ou peux mème planter c'ets du a quoi ? |
| 19:13.28 | simonrvn | who cares about windows... |
| 19:13.29 | abrotman | dwu_: huh ? |
| 19:13.37 | keny-AiSu | [ Ya aucun raport vec linux xD] |
| 19:13.37 | abrotman | n33dhelp: did you install it ? |
| 19:13.44 | hoxu | !fr |
| 19:13.44 | dpkg | Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez aller aux canaux #debian-fr sur irc.debian.org ou irc.freenode.net. French users: for help in french, please go to #debian-fr on irc.debian.org or irc.freenode.net. |
| 19:13.53 | keny-AiSu | Sorry xD |
| 19:13.57 | n33dhelp | abrotman: i dont think so |
| 19:14.03 | stew | SexyKen: ultramonkey is just a collection of documents afaik. its maintained by someone who is a debian kernel maintainer. i've used the software involved |
| 19:14.19 | keny-AiSu | Vive Past To Past |
| 19:14.31 | keny-AiSu | Cpy to past :p |
| 19:14.32 | abrotman | n33dhelp: aptitude install module-assistant |
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| 19:14.46 | n33dhelp | i think ill follow this guide: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=143283&highlight=ati+driver |
| 19:15.21 | stew | Agiofws: cd /path/to/kernel/source ; patch -p1 < /path/to/patch ; you might want to try "patch -p1 --dry-run < /path/to/patch" first to make sure the patch applies cleanly |
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| 19:15.52 | abrotman | n33dhelp: that seems like a bad idea |
| 19:15.56 | n33dhelp | abrotman: Couldn't find any package whose name or description matched "module-assistant" |
| 19:15.56 | n33dhelp | No packages will be installed, upgraded, or removed. |
| 19:15.59 | n33dhelp | why is that a bad idea? |
| 19:16.04 | Agiofws | stew, even if my kernel is |
| 19:16.09 | Agiofws | ? |
| 19:16.19 | simonrvn | is what? |
| 19:16.24 | stew | n33dhelp: its going to be telling you about packages which only exist in ubuntu, so it won't help you for debian |
| 19:16.25 | SexyKen | ultra monkey provides .deb files |
| 19:16.31 | abrotman | n33dhelp: are you running debian ? |
| 19:16.33 | SexyKen | ultramonkey_3-1um.1_all.deb |
| 19:16.39 | n33dhelp | i'm running ubuntu :p |
| 19:16.40 | Agiofws | simonrvn, stew Linux lapi 2.6.22.6 #19 SMP Mon Nov 26 16:07:41 EET 2007 i686 GNU/Linux |
| 19:16.41 | Agiofws | ? |
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| 19:16.46 | stew | n33dhelp: then you are in the wrong channel |
| 19:16.47 | Agiofws | will that patch work ? |
| 19:16.49 | abrotman | n33dhelp: go to #ubuntu |
| 19:16.54 | n33dhelp | im banned from #ubuntu.. |
| 19:17.01 | simonrvn | tough luck |
| 19:17.01 | abrotman | then go to ##linux |
| 19:17.04 | stew | Agiofws: i dont' know |
| 19:17.22 | Agiofws | does the patch have to be the same version ? |
| 19:17.25 | stew | n33dhelp: if you think you have been banned in error, talk to the op that banned you, or ask in #ubuntu-ops |
| 19:17.29 | Agiofws | as your kernel ? |
| 19:17.32 | abrotman | n33dhelp: or #ubuntu-no |
| 19:17.34 | simonrvn | it certainly helps... |
| 19:17.35 | elenril | can i do a function call on the left side of an assignment? (in C) |
| 19:17.54 | minerale | do empty files take up space on my filesystem? |
| 19:17.55 | abrotman | elenril: ##c |
| 19:17.55 | n33dhelp | aha, thats a good idea |
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| 19:18.31 | elenril | abrotman, :) |
| 19:18.35 | dwu_ | elenril: that would be wrong |
| 19:18.37 | rto | elenril: Of course you can - but i can't see why you would do it - unless the function returns a pointer. |
| 19:18.45 | simonrvn | minerale: they take up an inode even if 0 b |
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| 19:19.03 | elenril | rto, it does |
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| 19:19.37 | rto | elenril: Well then it should be possible - although you might want to dereference the pointer before assigning it. |
| 19:19.38 | stew | minerale: it probably depends on the filesystem. but in ext3 it would only use a previously allocated but unused inode |
| 19:20.14 | stew | Agiofws: those patches don't indicate a version afaict |
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| 19:20.41 | simonrvn | "... http://web.telia.com/~u89404340/patches/touchpad/2.6.0-test9/ ..." |
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| 19:21.11 | simonrvn | Agiofws: find out if the patch has already been accepted first |
| 19:21.16 | JohnnyL | stew: thanks |
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| 19:22.25 | Agiofws | alps-version-info2.patch |
| 19:22.25 | Agiofws | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:22.25 | Agiofws | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:22.58 | Agiofws | thats what i need |
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| 19:32.43 | fas3r | hello everybody |
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| 19:32.51 | aksn | hi all |
| 19:33.46 | aksn | when checking my ext3 filesystem it says it's 16,7% non contiguous; how can i solve it? i'm using debian testing |
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| 19:36.24 | dalias | aksn, bleh that's bad. |
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| 19:36.26 | fas3r | i have problem with my dhcp .. i have modify the address who are attribut to my client in the dhcpd.conf but it continu to attribut the old ip ... |
| 19:36.40 | dalias | do you have a guess which files it is? |
| 19:36.49 | dalias | perhaps its just a few large files, e.g. bittorrent downloads |
| 19:37.12 | aksn | dalias, i have no idea; i am surprised, i though this didn't happen on linux |
| 19:37.27 | dalias | one solution is just to move the affected files (or all files) to another partition and back |
| 19:37.36 | dalias | it doesn't happen unless it has to |
| 19:37.59 | hoxu | weren't root-reserved blocks partly added to prevent that? |
| 19:38.02 | aksn | dalias, yes, i think it's because i've been run out of space.. |
| 19:38.03 | abrotman | aksn: it happens .. but it doesn't drastically impact performance like it does on NTFS/FAT32 |
| 19:38.08 | wols_ | aksn: defrag |
| 19:38.26 | dalias | which means either you have files which were created extremely out-of-order (i.e. the blocks of the file were written in very scattered order), or the fs is almost full |
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| 19:38.53 | aksn | wols_, it doesn't support ext3, only ext2 |
| 19:39.01 | dalias | ext3 is ext2 |
| 19:39.01 | phlasphy | Where is the netinst ISO |
| 19:39.13 | wols_ | aksn: and? |
| 19:39.20 | wols_ | !d-i |
| 19:39.20 | dpkg | Etch 4.0r0 is now the "Stable" debian release (April 8, 2007) see http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/debian-installer/ for images. Sarge is still available at http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/debian-installer/ Developers page is http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ .. If you want to make custom install cds, start with d-i. IRC: oftc.net: #debian-boot. Lenny is now the new Testing! |
| 19:39.21 | dalias | as long as you've safely unmounted it and the journal is not dirty |
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| 19:39.39 | aksn | wols_, i get: filesystem has unsupported features |
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| 19:39.54 | wols_ | aksn: have you listened to dalias? |
| 19:40.17 | dalias | have you unmounted the filesystem? |
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| 19:41.22 | aksn | dalias, that's the problem, the fs must be umounted, so i can't mount it as ext2 |
| 19:41.25 | abrotman | aksn: the "easiest" way is to tar it up .. re-mkfs .. untar |
| 19:41.45 | abrotman | aksn: but it really won't impact you greatly |
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| 19:42.08 | aksn | abrotman, well... but it's a solution :) |
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| 19:42.34 | abrotman | aksn: it is .. |
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| 19:43.29 | aksn | i think i'll do that...thanks! |
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| 19:44.51 | abrotman | i'm not even sure you have to re-mkfs .. might just have to delete all the files |
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| 19:46.18 | phlasphy | what kernel does lenny use? |
| 19:46.21 | assasukasse | Hi everyone, i am having problems configurating a connection via dialup with wvdial or gnome-ppp...i have a winmodem and i am running sl-modem daemon..modem dials and authenticates, but seems gnome-ppp doesnt see it |
| 19:46.42 | assasukasse | how can i make it sees and tells me i am connected? |
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| 19:49.31 | stew | phlasphy: currently 2.6.22 |
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| 19:50.11 | phlasphy | is that the latest |
| 19:50.18 | dutchfish | Is it 2.6.22-3 or 2.6.22-4? |
| 19:50.19 | stew | phlasphy: what do you mean by latest? |
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| 19:50.27 | phlasphy | the latest kernel? |
| 19:50.38 | stew | phlasphy: what do you mean by "latest kernel"? |
| 19:50.47 | stew | !info linux-source-2.6.22 lenny |
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| 19:50.51 | dpkg | linux-source-2.6.22: (Linux kernel source for version 2.6.22 with Debian patches), section devel, is optional. Version: 2.6.22-4 (lenny), Packaged size: 44144 kB, Installed size: 44268 kB |
| 19:50.59 | stew | dutchfish: ^^^ -4 |
| 19:51.00 | dutchfish | ic |
| 19:51.02 | phlasphy | ok |
| 19:51.03 | phlasphy | thanks |
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| 19:51.36 | stew | phlasphy: that is not the lastest debian has packaged, nor is it the lastest from kernel.org |
| 19:51.50 | phlasphy | ok |
| 19:51.52 | stew | phlasphy: so i don't really know what you are asking |
| 19:52.06 | phlasphy | ok |
| 19:52.09 | dutchfish | stew, are there already rc relases in debian for 2.6.24 ???? |
| 19:52.27 | stew | dutchfish: no |
| 19:52.42 | dutchfish | stew, ah ok thought so, 2.6.23 is crappy |
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| 19:53.04 | stew | dutchfish: i mean there is a -6 in sid |
| 19:53.22 | dutchfish | stew, ok, sid -> not for me;) |
| 19:54.42 | dutchfish | stew, what will happen with ck patches in the future ... ? |
| 19:55.18 | cahoot | obsolteted |
| 19:55.25 | cahoot | obsoleted |
| 19:55.48 | dutchfish | i gues so, sniff |
| 19:56.26 | cahoot | dutchfish: what's so crappy with 2.6.23? |
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| 19:57.19 | dutchfish | cahoot, i admit it has some nice features, but it is not as ready as 2.6.24-rc4 |
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| 19:58.30 | cahoot | -rc4 sounds like definitely unready |
| 19:58.42 | dutchfish | cahoot, i am actually gazing at ext4 and so more stuff to become stable |
| 20:00.02 | simonrvn | @kernel |
| 20:00.09 | ravenbird | Linux kernel versions, stable: 2.6.23.9, prepatch: 2.6.24-rc3, snapshot: 2.6.24-rc3-git1, 2.4: 2.4.35.4, prepatch: 2.4.36-pre2, 2.2: 2.2.26, prepatch: 2.2.27-rc2, -mm patch: 2.6.24-rc3-mm1 |
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| 20:01.45 | Garp | Hi. |
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| 20:02.29 | Garp | Question: between mrtg and rrdtool, what did you choose, and why? Thanks. |
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| 20:05.18 | Garp | OK, I'll install Cactui and have a look ;) |
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| 20:07.30 | wols_ | cacti, not cactui |
| 20:08.17 | Garp | wols_: on my keyboard, 'i' is just near 'u', and my fingers are big and lazy ;) |
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| 20:09.35 | Garp | wols_: btw do you have any opinion on mrtg vs rrdtool ? |
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| 20:12.00 | simonrvn | mrtg can use rrdtool as a backend to generate the data, etc. |
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| 20:14.17 | Garp | simonrvn: I saw that... I only know mrtg/snmp a bit... I dunno what rrdtool would give |
| 20:14.43 | simonrvn | er, s,generate,process, |
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| 20:19.28 | Kaiserlich | is there a debian package with gnu grep documentation? |
| 20:19.54 | abrotman | man grep ? |
| 20:20.11 | fujin | MANNNN GREP |
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| 20:21.10 | Agiofws | ahh F still the same |
| 20:22.02 | Kaiserlich | abrotman: sure, but i was thinking of gnuinfo documentation |
| 20:22.18 | abrotman | not all have info pages |
| 20:22.18 | Kaiserlich | abrotman: the one that is on the gnu site http://www.gnu.org/software/grep/doc/ |
| 20:22.25 | simonrvn | you so try it... sheesh |
| 20:22.27 | Kaiserlich | abrotman: ok |
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| 20:22.49 | abrotman | Kaiserlich: looked in /usr/share/doc/grep/ ? |
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| 20:23.16 | Kaiserlich | abrotman: yes, nothing there... |
| 20:23.20 | abrotman | hrm .. guess not |
| 20:23.39 | sdubois92-laptop | when etch boots it tries to connect to the network with my eth port and wireless. how can i make it so it tries to connect to ethernet, but if it isnt connected just continue the boot and doesnt try wireless |
| 20:24.02 | abrotman | Kaiserlich: i don't see an info page either |
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| 20:24.22 | cahoot | sdubois92-laptop: ifplugd (IIRC) |
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| 20:24.47 | Kaiserlich | abrotman: some of the gnu docs are not dfsg compliant, but there should be something in non-free |
| 20:24.57 | abrotman | Kaiserlich: you could file a wishlist against the grep package to include that webpage in the package |
| 20:25.27 | Kaiserlich | abrotman: sure. where do i start? |
| 20:25.31 | sdubois92-laptop | cahoot: do i need to edit and files or should it be all set? |
| 20:25.36 | abrotman | Kaiserlich: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=405754 |
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| 20:25.53 | cahoot | sdubois92-laptop: ifplugd needs some editing |
| 20:25.58 | abrotman | Kaiserlich: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=427622 |
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| 20:26.43 | Kaiserlich | abrotman: ah, so there is already a bug filed? |
| 20:26.51 | abrotman | Kaiserlich: apparently |
| 20:26.59 | abrotman | assuming that info page is that URL oyu pasted |
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| 20:27.27 | Kaiserlich | abrotman: yes i'm quite sure that the web page is the gnuinfo documentation |
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| 20:28.35 | Seb | heya folks |
| 20:28.51 | abrotman | Kaiserlich: so someone else is after it also .. though the maintainer seems to have not responded |
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| 20:29.27 | Seb | how do i disable the mounting of the swap partition from the grub prompt ? I tried adding "noswap" but it doesn't do it, i'm suspecting the initrd is actually mounting the swapspace; this is a debian kernel, with a debian initrd and all |
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| 20:30.24 | wols_ | Seb: isn't your swap mentioned in fstab? |
| 20:30.50 | Seb | wols_: i can't boot my system right now |
| 20:30.55 | Seb | it hangs at "mounting swap" |
| 20:31.01 | Seb | i want to avoid mounting it altogether |
| 20:31.54 | Seb | anyone ? :\ |
| 20:32.15 | wols_ | Seb: init=/bin/bash |
| 20:32.24 | wols_ | then edit your fstab |
| 20:32.31 | simonrvn | boot -b then figure out what's going on |
| 20:32.45 | Seb | i wish i could get a prompt |
| 20:33.05 | simonrvn | just told you 2 ways to get one |
| 20:33.19 | Agiofws | man my hands are tied up now |
| 20:33.33 | Seb | is init=/bin/bash really gonna differ from single-user mode ? |
| 20:33.36 | Agiofws | i even tried to apla the alps patches |
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| 20:33.43 | Agiofws | but they don;t patch |
| 20:33.47 | Agiofws | or they don;t work |
| 20:33.51 | dan2 | abrotman: what's up man |
| 20:33.53 | [Naigovan] | hm |
| 20:33.58 | Agiofws | can someoone help ? |
| 20:33.59 | koryak | Hey guys. |
| 20:34.01 | wols_ | Agiofws: what happens when you patch? output? |
| 20:34.23 | [Naigovan] | whei I made an error in fstab (wron device name) debian launched busybox for me |
| 20:34.37 | Agiofws | wait on rafb |
| 20:34.38 | Agiofws | wols_, |
| 20:36.30 | Agiofws | wols_, take a look please at http://rafb.net/p/LAzp7994.html |
| 20:36.48 | wols_ | Hunk #1 FAILED at 1. |
| 20:36.55 | wols_ | Agiofws: what kernel do you try to patch |
| 20:37.18 | simonrvn | he's trying to patch 2.6.22.x with patch from 2.6.0 ... |
| 20:37.20 | Agiofws | Linux lapi 2.6.22.6 #19 SMP Mon Nov 26 16:07:41 EET 2007 i686 GNU/Linux |
| 20:37.33 | wols_ | Agiofws: debian kernel? |
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| 20:37.38 | Agiofws | no |
| 20:37.40 | simonrvn | you have to manually patch the thing dude |
| 20:37.40 | Agiofws | vanilla |
| 20:37.41 | redtape | hey guys |
| 20:37.54 | redtape | can someone help me with a little problem I'm having tonight? |
| 20:38.01 | simonrvn | just ask |
| 20:38.05 | redtape | right |
| 20:38.10 | redtape | let me explaint |
| 20:38.14 | redtape | *explain |
| 20:38.23 | wols_ | !tell redtape about enter |
| 20:38.25 | Agiofws | ok how do i manually patch dud ? |
| 20:38.26 | redtape | I am trying to extract a .rar file |
| 20:38.33 | Agiofws | dude* ? |
| 20:38.43 | redtape | ooh sorry |
| 20:39.07 | Agiofws | simonrvn, how do i manually patch ? diff ? |
| 20:39.09 | Agiofws | svn ? |
| 20:39.21 | Agiofws | i have the alps.patch file |
| 20:39.34 | simonrvn | open the source file in an editor and patch in the code from the patch |
| 20:39.38 | redtape | I try to install unrar after googling it, only to find that my version of glibc is insufficient, it needs version 2.4, I am now trying to install the most recent version of glibc (2.7 or something) and it doesnt work |
| 20:39.52 | wols_ | Agiofws: editing the files. you need to know and understand C to do that |
| 20:39.55 | simonrvn | using `patch` isn't manually patching it |
| 20:40.13 | Agiofws | wols_, i can edit the files |
| 20:40.18 | simonrvn | and svn has nothing to do with this |
| 20:40.22 | wols_ | but do you know C? |
| 20:40.34 | redtape | I'll try and find the error here |
| 20:40.37 | Agiofws | tell me what to exclude and what to imput though |
| 20:40.40 | Agiofws | no |
| 20:40.57 | wols_ | redtape: debian has unrar-nonfree in contrib |
| 20:41.03 | wols_ | erm, in nonfree |
| 20:41.12 | Agiofws | doesn't the file say which lines to add and which to extract ? |
| 20:41.19 | redtape | I dont like the word "non-free" |
| 20:41.47 | redtape | unrar isnt the problem though, its the version of glibc |
| 20:41.53 | [Naigovan] | redtape: yep just add contrib and nonfree to yur repos and then just apt-get install it |
| 20:42.03 | redtape | hmm |
| 20:42.05 | [Naigovan] | *non-free |
| 20:42.17 | redtape | but does non-free not mean, "you gots to pay me moneys" |
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| 20:42.23 | redtape | or does it mean something else? |
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| 20:43.25 | Agiofws | wols_, ok tell me what are the lines with the + infront ? and the ones with the - infront ? |
| 20:43.41 | [Naigovan] | redtape no |
| 20:43.43 | Seb | simonrvn: boot -b -> kernel must be loaded before booting |
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| 20:44.00 | Seb | simonrvn: i'm not very proficient with grub :\ |
| 20:44.03 | Agiofws | the + are the ones i add in the files ? |
| 20:44.05 | redtape | what does non-free mean then? |
| 20:44.17 | \amethyst | redtape: it means "it does not comply with the DFSG"... for example, it might be against the license to distribute modified versions |
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| 20:44.24 | redtape | ah |
| 20:44.31 | redtape | well, thanks for clearing that up for me :) |
| 20:44.31 | [Naigovan] | redtape it means that packages are not compartable with debian free software definitions |
| 20:44.37 | redtape | ah ok |
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| 20:44.56 | redtape | excellent, I'll add those two folders to my repos list now |
| 20:45.02 | redtape | thanks for the help mate :) |
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| 20:45.33 | wols_ | plus are the ones that are added, - the ones that are cut |
| 20:45.48 | Gyde | hey, just noticed (newly installed) that I have no sound, any problems with this or any packages I should install? |
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| 20:46.12 | Gyde | its a pretty basic ac97 soundchip I have .. |
| 20:46.13 | wols_ | !tell Gyde about alsa |
| 20:46.16 | Agiofws | wols i'll just copy paste rright ? |
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| 20:46.32 | wols_ | Agiofws: if you did, you could use patch |
| 20:46.41 | wols_ | either learn C or stop doing this |
| 20:47.06 | Agiofws | Gyde, install alsa-drivers alsa-libs alsa-utilities and compile install |
| 20:47.22 | Agiofws | wols_, patch does not work |
| 20:47.24 | wols_ | Agiofws: compile? |
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| 20:47.26 | Agiofws | so i have to edit |
| 20:47.30 | Gyde | can I do this from the synaptic package ? |
| 20:47.35 | wols_ | Agiofws: your approach doesn't either, simply pasting |
| 20:47.42 | wols_ | Gyde: yes |
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| 20:47.54 | wols_ | !tell Gyde about alsa install |
| 20:48.06 | Agiofws | why not ? if i paste in the apropriate places |
| 20:48.06 | Gyde | hehe ;) |
| 20:48.30 | Agiofws | well for me it does't work i need the latest alsa packages |
| 20:48.38 | redtape | ok, I have added the following lines to my /etc/apt/sources.list file: deb http://ftp.uk.debian.org/debian/ etch non-free [new line] deb-src http://ftp.uk.debian.org/debian/ etch non-free. I'm assuming that I'm doing the correct thing if I want to add non-free to my list of sources? |
| 20:48.39 | Agiofws | its not in debians repo |
| 20:48.40 | Gyde | thx, will try that |
| 20:48.51 | wols_ | Agiofws: you still don't tell others to do this in #debian without a good reason |
| 20:49.00 | redtape | sorry about the big post, but it needed to be in one :P |
| 20:49.21 | wols_ | redtape: wrong. add non-free to your existing lines |
| 20:49.41 | redtape | wols_: i dont understand |
| 20:49.43 | BlueToothz | wols sorry if this sounds rude but who are you to tell people who can or can't be said in here |
| 20:49.51 | Gyde | looks like alsa base is already installed |
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| 20:50.20 | BlueToothz | wols its just a question dont get mad |
| 20:50.26 | wols_ | !tell BlueToothz about tdw |
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| 20:50.45 | wols_ | cause the way Agiofws told him is a good way to hose people's system down the line |
| 20:50.50 | wols_ | breaking dependencies and such |
| 20:50.59 | wols_ | sometimes this is needed, eg with snd-hda-intel |
| 20:51.00 | BlueToothz | i know i read tdw ty sorry |
| 20:51.05 | wols_ | but first you need to do it tdw |
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| 20:51.32 | simonrvn | Seb: doh, didn't realise you were in grub shell |
| 20:51.37 | Gyde | yes already installed all the ALSA stuff, do I need to activate it? |
| 20:51.49 | wols_ | run alsaconf |
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| 20:51.57 | redtape | wols_: sorry mate, but what do you mean? about the existing lines thing? |
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| 20:52.41 | wols_ | redtape: you already have a line for main |
| 20:52.47 | Gyde | ca |
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| 20:52.54 | Gyde | can't run alsaconf |
| 20:53.04 | abrotman | why not? |
| 20:53.05 | redtape | yes, do i add the non-free thing to the end of that line? |
| 20:53.17 | bucky | lol@ abrotman |
| 20:53.28 | Gyde | it dosen't do anything .. just says it dosen't excist |
| 20:53.32 | Agiofws | wols_, 1) why doesn't patch work 2) why can't i just copy the files into /usr/src/linux/drivers/input/mouse/ <---- |
| 20:53.37 | abrotman | !alsa one-liner |
| 20:53.37 | dpkg | somebody said alsa one-liner was "apt-get install alsa-base alsa-utils", or if you are running a 2.4 kernel ask me about <2.4 alsa one-liner>, or after its installed, run alsamixer and unmute the volume levels, or some applications don't know how to talk directly to ALSA (ask about <devdsp>). You may also need libesd-alsa0 if you're using ESD-based applications. |
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| 20:53.52 | redtape | wow, wols_ is busy tonight |
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| 20:54.10 | simonrvn | Agiofws: if you have to ask that then don't bother |
| 20:54.24 | simonrvn | Agiofws: you're way over your head |
| 20:54.34 | Agiofws | simonrvn, just answere in a simple way |
| 20:54.36 | Agiofws | if you like |
| 20:54.40 | Agiofws | its not so hard |
| 20:54.55 | simonrvn | i already did, yet you're still here bugging wols about it |
| 20:54.57 | Agiofws | wols_, 1) why doesn't patch work 2) why can't i just copy the files into /usr/src/linux/drivers/input/mouse/ <---- and compile the kernel againn |
| 20:55.05 | Agiofws | simonrvn, ok |
| 20:55.06 | Agiofws | i ask |
| 20:55.13 | Agiofws | instead of editting |
| 20:55.17 | wols_ | Agiofws: it can't be answered simply. either you are a programmer and you wouldn't ask or you aren't and all this is pointless |
| 20:55.21 | Agiofws | just copy the alps files |
| 20:55.22 | wols_ | copy+paste will NOT work |
| 20:55.31 | Agiofws | on the patch |
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| 20:55.40 | Agiofws | aa man |
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| 20:55.51 | simonrvn | Agiofws: *you do not have the choice /but/ to edit manually* |
| 20:55.51 | Agiofws | i've edited make files before |
| 20:55.51 | wols_ | Agiofws: won't work either. just find someone with a clue |
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| 20:56.01 | Gyde | hmm its all turned up, no audio |
| 20:56.05 | the_sniff | anyone knows whats this => |
| 20:56.06 | the_sniff | recover: Cannot start session with server green.co.il: RPC cannot make a procedure call: Create failed: Program not registered |
| 20:56.07 | the_sniff | ? |
| 20:56.15 | Kl4m | Is there something in /proc which tells which kind of memory is installed? DDR(2)? |
| 20:56.23 | simonrvn | portmap is stopped |
| 20:56.33 | simonrvn | or not responding |
| 20:56.37 | _Alix | Kl4m, maybe "cat /proc/meminfo" |
| 20:56.41 | dalias | kl4m, i doubt linux knows or cares what type of memory it is |
| 20:56.46 | simonrvn | the_sniff: ^^^ |
| 20:56.52 | Kl4m | not in meminfo |
| 20:56.55 | wols_ | Kl4m: no. dmidecode |
| 20:57.00 | the_sniff | simonrvn the portmap was for me? |
| 20:57.14 | redtape | do i need to uninstall the previous install attempt for unrar? |
| 20:57.25 | redtape | before i apt-get it? |
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| 20:59.12 | Agiofws | wols_, simonrvn i downloaded the synaptics driver and compiled it .... and then it tells me copy the synaptics driver to the apropriate place ...it has alps file sin it as welll in the tar.gz i could copy the alps drivers intothe kernel source right ? |
| 21:00.35 | wols_ | is the "alps" file source? |
| 21:00.45 | wols_ | probably not when you compiled it... |
| 21:00.54 | redtape | oh, well this isnt working. I apt-get install unrar, should apt-get not install dependencies for me? |
| 21:01.14 | redtape | because I'm getting the old "glibc isnt compatible" error again |
| 21:01.18 | Saar | anyone have an idea how to make wu-ftpd limit how mnany times a specific user can log in? |
| 21:01.30 | redtape | and I really dont know how to install the latest version of glibc |
| 21:01.31 | Agiofws | wols_, wait let me see it is |
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| 21:02.00 | Saar | i added username hard maxlogins 4 to /etc/security/limits.conf but it aint working |
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| 21:02.32 | Saar | als pam.d/wu-ftpd has session required pam_limits.so |
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| 21:02.40 | Saar | also even |
| 21:02.47 | Agiofws | wols_, take a look here it does have source files |
| 21:02.50 | Agiofws | agiofws@lapi:~/tars/synaptics-0.14.6$ ls |
| 21:02.50 | Agiofws | alpscomm.c INSTALL.DE psmcomm.h synclient.o |
| 21:02.50 | Agiofws | alpscomm.h INSTALL.FR psmcomm.o syndaemon |
| 21:02.50 | Agiofws | alpscomm.o LICENSE README syndaemon.c |
| 21:02.50 | Agiofws | alps.patch linux_input.h README.alps syndaemon.o |
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| 21:02.58 | simonrvn | ffs |
| 21:03.00 | bucky | Saar: did you restart wu-ftpd after editing the config file? |
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| 21:03.02 | Agiofws | FILES ps2comm.h synaptics.spec |
| 21:03.04 | Agiofws | freebsd_mouse.h ps2comm.o synclient |
| 21:03.06 | Agiofws | INSTALL psmcomm.c synclient.c |
| 21:03.09 | simonrvn | !tell Agiofws -about paste |
| 21:03.10 | Agiofws | agiofws@lapi:~/tars/synaptics-0.14.6$ |
| 21:03.12 | Agiofws | SORRY |
| 21:03.14 | Agiofws | wrong patse |
| 21:03.16 | Agiofws | paste |
| 21:03.23 | Agiofws | http://rafb.net/p/16GgLK44.html <-- |
| 21:03.31 | Agiofws | sorry |
| 21:03.32 | Saar | bucky: yes, though it runs through inetd which i restarted also |
| 21:03.46 | bucky | hmm.. dunno |
| 21:03.46 | the_sniff | anyone knows whats this => |
| 21:03.47 | the_sniff | recover: Cannot start session with server green.co.il: RPC cannot make a procedure call: Create failed: Program not registered |
| 21:03.51 | the_sniff | is?? :( |
| 21:03.52 | the_sniff | im losrt |
| 21:03.56 | the_sniff | and i need to recover files |
| 21:04.15 | wols_ | the_sniff: simonrvn already told you. portmap error |
| 21:04.35 | the_sniff | yeah i restarted it |
| 21:04.40 | the_sniff | what kind of error should that be? |
| 21:04.45 | simonrvn | the_sniff: `pidof portmap` if you don't get a number then portmap isn't running |
| 21:04.54 | wols_ | config error |
| 21:05.00 | the_sniff | 27910 |
| 21:05.09 | wols_ | simonrvn: "program not registered" |
| 21:05.12 | the_sniff | whats the portmap config? |
| 21:05.34 | simonrvn | hmm, try restarting it again |
| 21:05.56 | the_sniff | Odd. |
| 21:05.59 | the_sniff | now it works :S |
| 21:06.01 | simonrvn | then pidof again |
| 21:06.02 | the_sniff | WTF :X |
| 21:06.10 | simonrvn | ok |
| 21:06.15 | simonrvn | nm all that then |
| 21:06.26 | the_sniff | whats that? why is that? what happened? :s |
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| 21:06.56 | simonrvn | sometimes portmap needs a kick in the ass |
| 21:07.10 | the_sniff | hmm ROFL :X |
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| 21:08.23 | Agiofws | simonrvn, |
| 21:08.26 | Agiofws | #psmouse-objs := psmouse-base.o synaptics.o |
| 21:08.27 | Agiofws | psmouse-objs := psmouse-base.o alps.o logips2pp.o synaptics.o |
| 21:08.48 | simonrvn | and what is this supposed to mean? |
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| 21:09.01 | simonrvn | don't paste me random garbage please |
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| 21:09.33 | Agiofws | its the patch for the makefile |
| 21:09.37 | Agiofws | anyway |
| 21:09.40 | Agiofws | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:09.48 | Agiofws | can you tell me what that means ? |
| 21:09.59 | Agiofws | 423 newlly inserted lines ? |
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| 21:10.08 | Agiofws | in alps.c ? |
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| 21:10.57 | Ranpha1 | can anybody help me with my firehol -moblock router? after a while the internet connection is gone and nothing works anymore only after i shutdown the moblock and firehol firewall it works again |
| 21:12.27 | theatro | Agiofws, tell me prv ti provlima exeis |
| 21:12.29 | Gyde | just restarted to see if anything helped .. still no sound |
| 21:12.46 | Gyde | any better suggestions apart from ALSA? |
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| 21:14.44 | Gyde | the alsamixer tells me the right info on the card and everything is turned up |
| 21:14.54 | Gyde | some where it says something about mute, where is that? |
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| 21:15.26 | abrotman | is arts or esound running? |
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| 21:15.45 | simonrvn | killall artsd esd pulseaudio; alsamixer |
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| 21:16.39 | Gyde | artsd was killed-- |
| 21:16.43 | Gyde | then what? |
| 21:16.56 | the_sniff | anyone here fimiliar with the lgto client? |
| 21:17.01 | Gyde | alsamixer working fine |
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| 21:18.45 | simonrvn | you go to where there's a MM under the bar, and press m to unmute it |
| 21:19.01 | simonrvn | the_sniff: is portmap still running? |
| 21:19.11 | the_sniff | yes |
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| 21:19.52 | simonrvn | hm, then the thing is buggy, or portmap is. what does rpcinfo -p $(hostname) say? (paste bin it) |
| 21:20.07 | Gyde | nothing is muted anymore |
| 21:20.21 | Gyde | still no sound .. |
| 21:20.28 | the_sniff | program vers proto port |
| 21:20.28 | the_sniff | 100000 2 tcp 111 portmapper |
| 21:20.28 | the_sniff | 100000 2 udp 111 portmapper |
| 21:20.33 | Gyde | do I have to leave alsamixer to get audio? |
| 21:20.47 | theatro | no Gyde |
| 21:20.53 | Gyde | hmm |
| 21:21.01 | simonrvn | the_sniff: is that it? |
| 21:21.09 | the_sniff | yeah |
| 21:21.23 | theatro | some cards want to have either analog or digital enabled not both |
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| 21:21.32 | theatro | is this your case maybe? |
| 21:22.02 | simonrvn | the_sniff: try doing your command, and add the rpcinfo command before and after with ; in between |
| 21:22.09 | Gyde | I can't see anything about analog or digi |
| 21:22.18 | simonrvn | then paste bin |
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| 21:22.51 | the_sniff | simonrvn: now it works :S |
| 21:23.08 | the_sniff | and the portmap gives the same output after quiting |
| 21:23.48 | simonrvn | gonna have to use a while loop or watch then (in another term) |
| 21:24.02 | the_sniff | odd |
| 21:24.07 | frog | hi, i have gcc-3.3, gcc-4.1 , gcc-4.2. the default is 4.2. how can i compile some stuff(kernel and one kernel module) with 3.3 ? |
| 21:24.09 | the_sniff | what does portmap do? in short worrds :p |
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| 21:24.38 | bucky | it sniffs your ports |
| 21:24.56 | simonrvn | manages RPC daemons. oh bucky you silly |
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| 21:25.33 | bzed | the_sniff: most stuff checks the environment for CC - so export CC=gcc-3.3 could help |
| 21:25.39 | Gyde | hmm strange .. nothing seems to work |
| 21:25.46 | Gyde | any other good suggestions? |
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| 21:25.48 | the_sniff | bzed ? me? |
| 21:26.05 | bzed | frog: most stuff checks the environment for CC - so export CC=gcc-3.3 could help |
| 21:26.18 | bzed | frog: otherwise figure out what you need to do in your source to replace the call to gcc by gcc-3.3 |
| 21:26.25 | bzed | the_sniff: err, no, sorry |
| 21:26.33 | the_sniff | yeah i thought so :p |
| 21:26.37 | theatro | Gyde, you got the jacks on the correct plug? |
| 21:26.42 | lbt | what's the debian way to configure my network on a console |
| 21:26.46 | Gyde | its a laptop ;) |
| 21:26.50 | Gyde | nothing to plug |
| 21:26.53 | Gyde | ;) |
| 21:26.55 | bzed | theatro: that sounds so wrong :P |
| 21:27.09 | frog | bzed: ok, thx |
| 21:27.23 | theatro | bzed, bad english? |
| 21:27.33 | frog | CC=gcc-3.3 doesnt work for me |
| 21:27.53 | bzed | theatro: no, just ignore me ;) |
| 21:28.18 | bzed | frog: RTFmakefile then. or so. |
| 21:28.30 | frog | yep |
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| 21:29.04 | frog | (anyhow in README is written CC should work) |
| 21:29.05 | atlfalcons866 | is kde4 in debian |
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| 21:30.31 | lbt | Anyone? what's the debian way to configure my network on a console? dpkg-reconfigure <something> ? Or just carry on hacking at /etc/networking by hand... |
| 21:30.59 | Gyde | dammit, if my sound dosen't work .. just tried, 7 distros, really like this one .. |
| 21:31.03 | Gyde | but I wan't my sound |
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| 21:31.08 | bucky | lbt using dhclient ? |
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| 21:32.26 | sigius | Hi, how can i check which version of a specific package are available to install ? |
| 21:32.27 | lbt | I can do it by hand - that's easy ;) I suspect the lan wasn't there during install so it skipped a bit. I was just wondering how to rerun the automated stuff. |
| 21:32.46 | lbt | Actually I wondered if the dhclient command that came out included the hostname now? |
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| 21:35.18 | Tramp | !telll sigius about apt-cache |
| 21:35.31 | _Alix | !tell sigius about apt-cache |
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| 21:36.23 | abrotman | sigius: apt-cache policy <pkg> |
| 21:36.50 | polter | anyone know how to get compizconfig-settings-manager for lenny? |
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| 21:40.27 | Agiofws | <PROTECTED> |
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| 21:42.51 | stew | Agiofws: can you try to rephrase that? "to a certain file the patch file is for certain files" doesn't really make sense |
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| 21:43.54 | Gyde | hmm I tried all sort of setting in the alsamixer .. anything else? |
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| 21:45.04 | Agiofws | stew, thehttp://rafb.net/p/H9DDg870.html generic patch file starts with |
| 21:45.23 | stew | Agiofws: huh? |
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| 21:47.53 | fas3r | it's possible to change "ip from address" with iptables ? |
| 21:48.10 | stew | fas3r: yes, using SNAT |
| 21:48.16 | Agiofws | stew the generic patch file starts with http://rafb.net/p/H9DDg870.html can you take a lool ? |
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| 21:48.54 | stew | Agiofws: ok, i've looked at it |
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| 21:49.09 | fas3r | if you prefer i want i have problem with my dhcp server .. client in my vlan don't take good ip |
| 21:49.29 | Agiofws | so i edit thos files |
| 21:49.31 | Agiofws | now |
| 21:49.46 | stew | Agiofws: if that is a patch file. its not one that does anything. its nothing but comments |
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| 21:49.55 | Agiofws | does 423 mean tha there are 423 newly inserted lines ? |
| 21:50.13 | stew | Agiofws: no, it means nothing, that is just a comment |
| 21:50.21 | riz_ | Hi. I need to downgrade my sid to lenny. Is there a way to do it ? |
| 21:50.32 | Agiofws | stew, its the beggining of the patch file :P |
| 21:50.40 | stew | Agiofws: yes, so you said |
| 21:50.47 | Agiofws | you want to see the whole thing ? |
| 21:51.06 | fas3r | in vlan 1 the subnet is 192.168.5.0 and the subnet in the vlan 2 is 192.168.6.0 . and the interface who are connect to my dhcp server is 192.168.4.3 .. the client take ip on the 192.168.4.0 subnet .. |
| 21:51.12 | stew | Agiofws: what are you actually trying to do? |
| 21:51.17 | fas3r | if someone want help me ... :s |
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| 21:51.37 | stew | riz_: there is no automated way. you have to do it manually, /msg dpkg partial downgrade |
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| 21:52.32 | Agiofws | stew, alps.patch file contains all the changes in those file that we just say on rafb.net so i go to all the files and aply the patches manually |
| 21:53.06 | Agiofws | one case is that the whole file is with +.. linux infront so that means that the WHOLE file has changed right not part of it ? |
| 21:53.10 | stew | Agiofws: why are you applying the patches manually? do they not apply cleanly? |
| 21:53.31 | Agiofws | stew, off cource not i told you before |
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| 21:53.39 | Agiofws | simonrvn, told me only manually |
| 21:53.40 | stew | Agiofws: no, you didn't |
| 21:53.55 | Agiofws | hell they give me hunnk meassages |
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| 21:54.55 | mot | anybody here ever heard of the "daemon" command? |
| 21:55.14 | mot | i've got an init.d startup file that utilizes the command daemon, i.e. "daemon /path/to/blah" |
| 21:55.17 | mot | and debian is freaking out |
| 21:55.46 | stew | Agiofws: anyway, no, if there is a hunk where every line is +.. linux in front, it is not an indication that the whole file has changed. if it has, there would also be a bunch of - lines, unless the file was previously an empty file |
| 21:55.49 | abrotman | mot: init.d for what app? |
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| 21:55.59 | mot | snmptt |
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| 21:56.27 | abrotman | !info daemon etch |
| 21:56.30 | dpkg | daemon: (turns other processes into daemons), section utils, is optional. Version: 0.6.3-1 (etch), Packaged size: 97 kB, Installed size: 300 kB |
| 21:58.08 | abrotman | mot: does that help ? |
| 21:58.14 | mot | yea thanks |
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| 22:00.14 | Nuxis | does there exist a gui for truecrypt? |
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| 22:00.55 | abrotman | Nuxis: is it in debian? |
| 22:00.57 | Ronin | Nuxis: ask truecrypt |
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| 22:01.27 | Nuxis | Ronin: #truecrypt doesn't exist searching google now and abrotman no sorry for the question :) |
| 22:01.41 | Ronin | Nuxis: didnt mean the channel actually but the website |
| 22:01.42 | abrotman | Nuxis: maybe ask ##linux |
| 22:01.46 | stew | damog: ¿que es? |
| 22:02.15 | Nuxis | kk tnx |
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| 22:02.53 | [Chief] | hey |
| 22:03.03 | [Chief] | i have a problem adding a repo to apt-get |
| 22:03.05 | tarzeau | Nuxis: search wnpp truecrypt |
| 22:03.28 | [Chief] | i want to add deb http://dotdeb.pimpmylinux.org/ stable all |
| 22:03.51 | [Chief] | but when i run apt-get update, the entry ist ignored |
| 22:04.18 | tarzeau | i wouldn't trust that repo |
| 22:04.25 | [Chief] | the message is: Ign http://dotdeb.pimpmylinux.org sarge Release.gpg |
| 22:04.32 | [Chief] | why not? |
| 22:04.33 | stew | !ign |
| 22:04.33 | dpkg | ign is probably when apt-get outputs lines starting with "Ign:" it means "Hrm, there's no such file but it's not a big deal anyway, i didn't need it", also "Hit:" means "i already had that file, no need to download" |
| 22:04.33 | tarzeau | [Chief]: you're on sarge still? |
| 22:04.42 | tarzeau | [Chief]: it says pimp in its domain |
| 22:04.43 | [Chief] | i have to keep sarge |
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| 22:04.58 | [Chief] | it's an old machine, 300 Mhz, a thinkpad notebnook |
| 22:05.01 | stew | in the sarge times, dotdeb was notorius for producing buggy packages |
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| 22:05.08 | tarzeau | [Chief]: that's not a reason to stay with sarge, is it? |
| 22:05.15 | tarzeau | [Chief]: i have an older machine, 50 mhz |
| 22:05.17 | stew | [Chief]: what do you need that dotdeb provides? |
| 22:05.25 | [Chief] | and in the newer kernel version there is a new driver for the network card which only produce errors |
| 22:05.37 | [Chief] | recompiling the old didnt't worked |
| 22:05.52 | [Chief] | i need php5-mysql |
| 22:06.13 | [Chief] | beacuse i have only an old version with tzhe old myslq client |
| 22:06.15 | stew | [Chief]: we'd recommend using backports.org instead of debdeb, /msg dpkg bpo |
| 22:06.23 | [Chief] | i use backports.org :-) |
| 22:06.43 | stew | [Chief]: why do you want php5-mysql from dotdeb instead of from backports.org? |
| 22:06.52 | [Chief] | i have the package from backports |
| 22:07.10 | [Chief] | but it seems to have the old mysql client |
| 22:07.25 | [Chief] | beacuse ervery time i connet to a mysl v5 server i get the message: |
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| 22:08.00 | [Chief] | Warning: mysql_connect() [function.mysql-connect]: Client does not support authentication protocol requested by server; consider upgrading MySQL client |
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| 22:08.42 | stew | [Chief]: install libmysqlclient15off from backports.org |
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| 22:09.25 | [Chief] | it ist installed |
| 22:09.33 | Vlad | hi all, is there carlopalma? |
| 22:09.49 | sYdRo | ahhaha |
| 22:09.54 | sYdRo | /whois carlopalma |
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| 22:11.14 | [Chief] | so, does anybody know how to add this repo so that it works? i htink its an gpg problem beacuse the repo doesnt have one |
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| 22:11.53 | stew | [Chief]: you haven't shown us a problem yet |
| 22:12.10 | stew | [Chief]: /msg dpkg ign |
| 22:12.21 | [Chief] | it works :-) |
| 22:12.51 | [Chief] | don't know how, but i have downlaoded the packakge pghp5-mysql with wget |
| 22:12.51 | stew | [Chief]: what version of libmysqlclient15off do you have installed? |
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| 22:13.07 | [Chief] | isntalled it and apt-get dowloaded the other depencies :-) |
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| 22:14.56 | [Chief] | @stew: how can i find out the version of an package with apt-get? aptitude takes very long to laod :-) |
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| 22:15.22 | stew | [Chief]: dpkg -l packagename ; dpkg -s packagename ; apt-cache policy packagename |
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| 22:16.32 | [Chief] | The version is: 5.0.36-1~dh.0 |
| 22:17.15 | damog | stew: rebuild fun. |
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| 22:17.18 | [Chief] | my server jsut finished isntallin the new packages, the seem to work! gret |
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| 22:17.30 | [Chief] | *great, thank you guys for your help |
| 22:18.39 | stew | [Chief]: that version is not the version from backports.org. nor do i think it is from debian at all |
| 22:20.07 | [Chief] | @stew: you are right :-) It came from "http://hype.sourceforge.jp ./ Packages" don't aks me why this is in my sorces.list :-) |
| 22:20.22 | [Chief] | I've tried a long time to get this working :-) |
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| 22:27.09 | b0ha | hello |
| 22:27.26 | b0ha | how do i establish wireless connection on debian ? |
| 22:27.32 | b0ha | do i have to install any packets ? |
| 22:27.33 | abrotman | depends on the chipset |
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| 22:29.58 | b0ha | abrotman 1 sec i will check |
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| 22:31.05 | b0ha | abrotman Intel(r) PRO/Wireless 3945ABG Network Connection |
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| 22:31.48 | biopyte | hi, i'm going to buy a lenovo t61. still undecided if i should take the intel onboard graphics X3100 or the nvidia nvs 140? are there any differences on a lenny install? |
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| 22:32.08 | abrotman | !ipw3945 |
| 22:32.08 | dpkg | If you're running a recent version of Debian (etch or greater), do the following: add <contrib> and <non-free> entries in your sources.list, "aptitude update; aptitude install ipw3945-modules-$(uname -r) firmware-ipw3945 ipw3945d". |
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| 22:32.16 | abrotman | b0ha: ^^ |
| 22:32.22 | snowbird | i cant get kppp to open up |
| 22:32.35 | snowbird | should i try remove reeboot and reinstall? |
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| 22:32.43 | abrotman | biopyte: sure .. one uses the binary non-free nvidia stuff .. the other doesn't .. and the nvidia stuff isn't currently in lenny |
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| 22:33.09 | cahoot | biopyte: the intel works perfectly here |
| 22:33.27 | b0ha | abrotman thanks a lot, i will try |
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| 22:33.43 | cahoot | biopyte: I'm no gamer though |
| 22:33.50 | snowbird | any one use kppp |
| 22:34.10 | biopyte | abrotman, cahoot: is the nvidia full functional, also? |
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| 22:34.28 | biopyte | ot rather troublesome ...? |
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| 22:35.26 | cahoot | biopyte: nv on my hp dv9000 which has a lot of issues not related to graphics |
| 22:35.33 | abrotman | biopyte: it really depends if you want to play games on linux or ont |
| 22:35.55 | abrotman | biopyte: i've been looking at the T61 to replace my current laptop .. i'm not a PC gamer .. i was going to get the intel card |
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| 22:36.35 | snowbird | can someoe help me with kppp |
| 22:37.03 | biopyte | cahoot, abrotman: playing games is not important for me. the only thing i could think of is 'video-editing' |
| 22:38.00 | biopyte | i tend also to the intel graphics |
| 22:38.07 | bcbooter | i had a T60 it was awesome |
| 22:38.29 | cahoot | biopyte: no advice to give - just feels good to be able to use xorgs drivers |
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| 22:38.58 | biopyte | thats true. |
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| 22:39.19 | biopyte | though nvidia isnt really 'evil'. |
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| 22:39.37 | notgod | hello. :) I am trying to get LWP::UserAgent to support https urls. might someone know which package I would install, or do I just use cpan's Net::SSLeay? |
| 22:39.57 | Agiofws | stew, you know what the patch i am trying to aply is not in the main kernel line |
| 22:40.07 | Agiofws | there is not such entry as |
| 22:40.10 | Agiofws | +#define ALPS_MODEL_GLIDEPOINT 1 |
| 22:40.19 | Agiofws | which is my device |
| 22:40.26 | biopyte | notgod: this is not #perl, :) |
| 22:40.38 | Agiofws | so i'll have to find the guys that program for that device |
| 22:40.46 | Agiofws | or aplied the patch |
| 22:41.01 | Agiofws | i am looking in the latest kernel |
| 22:42.01 | biopyte | abrotman,cahoot, btw, have you ever tried to connect your t61 to a beamer, for presentations? does it work (with debian)? |
| 22:42.41 | abrotman | biopyte: i don't own one .. yet |
| 22:42.54 | cahoot | biopyte: it works |
| 22:43.01 | biopyte | cool |
| 22:43.05 | abrotman | notgod: there's a way to make debian packages from cpan modules |
| 22:43.13 | abrotman | notgod: but i imagine that one is in debian already |
| 22:43.21 | notgod | abrotman: thanks. I found it, libcrypt-ssleay-perl |
| 22:43.27 | abrotman | yeap |
| 22:43.43 | snowbird | kpp died how i get back erorr cant conect to kde |
| 22:43.52 | notgod | abrotman: reading the wonderful google results, I was looking for Net:: :) |
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| 22:44.36 | abrotman | notgod: apt-cache search perl ssleay |
| 22:44.56 | j0 | is this correct for crontab: something_that_may_fail || true && do_this_no_matter_what ? |
| 22:45.21 | tarzeau | j0: looks so |
| 22:45.32 | tarzeau | j0: why not just something; something_else then? |
| 22:45.59 | biopyte | cahoot: may i ask, what screen size and resolution your t61 has? i'm also undecided, if i should take wxga or wsxga on a 15.4. sorry for the OT. :) |
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| 22:46.01 | j0 | tarzeau: for some reason i had it stuck in my mind that i couldn't use ; to have multiple commands in cron |
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| 22:46.09 | notgod | abrotman: yeah, I didn't know it was ssleay I needed until after I asked and googled through a nightmarish list of stuff. hehe |
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| 22:46.30 | cahoot | biopyte: 1280x800 |
| 22:46.46 | Nuxis | Good night all |
| 22:46.54 | biopyte | cahoot: you like it, brightness ok? |
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| 22:47.37 | biopyte | this was my last OT question |
| 22:47.39 | abrotman | hehe |
| 22:47.41 | j0 | i must have seen it somewhere waaaaay back in the day and it stuck |
| 22:47.58 | cahoot | biopyte: I like the whole system - rather uncritically |
| 22:48.07 | biopyte | ok |
| 22:49.16 | moshii | how do I enable hyperthreading on sid/amd64.. is it possible? |
| 22:49.30 | tarzeau | moshii: you use an smp kernel? |
| 22:49.54 | moshii | tarzeau: yeah, I'm already using the two cores |
| 22:50.10 | tarzeau | is it turned off in the bios? |
| 22:50.22 | abrotman | cahoot: is it an sl-modem ? |
| 22:50.24 | moshii | tarzeau: its a macbook, so I dont know.. |
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| 22:50.45 | tarzeau | moshii: apple used amd cpus? since when? |
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| 22:51.00 | tarzeau | moshii: didn't they have a deal with intel, and are using intel only? |
| 22:51.14 | moshii | tarzeau: amd64 is a generic name for the x86 64 port.. |
| 22:51.16 | abrotman | moshii: apple doesn't use amd .. nor did they use intel CPUs with HT |
| 22:52.23 | tarzeau | moshii: which of these does apple use? http://www.linuks.mine.nu/sussudio/ |
| 22:52.49 | abrotman | nice and useless |
| 22:52.58 | moshii | abrotman: iirc, the x86 64 port of debian is called amd64, its appended to the package names.. secondly i thought all of intels current range had ht |
| 22:53.00 | abrotman | tarzeau: that's out of date |
| 22:53.10 | tarzeau | abrotman: if you send me updates, i'll put them there |
| 22:53.13 | abrotman | moshii: yes .. amd64 is the generic name for the debian port of x86_64 |
| 22:53.21 | abrotman | tarzeau: i'm not rich like you .. i have no mac |
| 22:53.29 | tarzeau | abrotman: who said i have a mac? |
| 22:53.32 | abrotman | tarzeau: and i'm sure you can find others online |
| 22:53.37 | tarzeau | abrotman: or that i'm rich? i'm not |
| 22:53.56 | abrotman | moshii: HT was a dirty hack .. an SMP kernel will show both cores |
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| 22:55.03 | moshii | abrotman: mm if it can give me some sort of performance gain I'd like it enabled.. but if its not present in the hardware theres not much I can do ;) |
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| 22:55.15 | abrotman | moshii: it doesn't |
| 22:55.23 | stew | xsl is great |
| 22:55.30 | abrotman | stew: find my mismatch damn it! |
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| 22:55.41 | stew | abrotman: say what? |
| 22:55.44 | abrotman | stew: as a language .. it does lovely things .. |
| 22:55.50 | abrotman | stew: we're using xsl-fo |
| 22:56.20 | abrotman | somewhere i have a mismatch .. it's causing it to have all kinds of mismatches |
| 22:58.15 | moshii | ok, strange.. apparently the core chips dont have ht.. but all the kernel configs etc for intel macs have it stated explictly.. |
| 22:58.35 | abrotman | call me a liar .. jeesh! |
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| 22:59.20 | kgoetz | moshii: they have HT as a cpu flag, not a 'second cpu' |
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| 22:59.23 | kgoetz | ala P4 |
| 22:59.38 | moshii | abrotman: didnt say that at all.. I'd disagree that macs are expensive though |
| 22:59.43 | abrotman | they are |
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| 23:00.11 | frog | {standard input}:968: Error: suffix or operands invalid for `mov <-- is there any workaround for this? |
| 23:01.11 | moshii | abrotman: this one was 154,000 yen.. the same hardware in a generic laptop was at least 175,000 |
| 23:01.26 | abrotman | moshii: dollars! |
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| 23:01.39 | abrotman | moshii: from what i've seen.. it's not worth it to buy a mac .. |
| 23:01.45 | abrotman | EOD ... OT :) |
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| 23:02.40 | moshii | abrotman: I bought it because it looked nice.. the laptops in japan at the moment all seem to have a cd drive wedged in the middle of the keyboard |
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| 23:03.01 | abrotman | NOT TALKING ABOUT IT ANY MORE! |
| 23:03.02 | abrotman | :) |
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| 23:03.48 | moshii | last things to get working, wireless and the other half of the keyboard :/ |
| 23:04.11 | abrotman | don't they use the bcm43xx stuff? |
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| 23:04.43 | kgoetz | abrotman: yes |
| 23:04.55 | moshii | abrotman: Its supported by madwifi apparently.. atheros in mine |
| 23:05.06 | moshii | but the packages in sid arent new enough |
| 23:05.23 | moshii | 02:00.0 Network controller: Atheros Communications, Inc. AR5418 802.11a/b/g/n |
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| 23:06.31 | abrotman | moshii: madwifi isn't bcm43xx .. but whatever |
| 23:06.39 | abrotman | maybe different models use different ones |
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| 23:09.23 | abrotman | moshii: i thought the intel models also used bcm43xx .. the PPC ones did .. |
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| 23:12.08 | moshii | debian wiki suggests that the macbook atleast has only used atheros chips.. but different generations have used the lastest atheros controller |
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| 23:12.53 | abrotman | that's why i said PPC |
| 23:12.57 | abrotman | oh well |
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| 23:13.29 | abrotman | anyways .. if you have atheros .. you have either madwifi or they're working on a new ath5k or something |
| 23:13.35 | Ronin | sweet well that was easy, it has an nvidia video card i cant find my adapter and he doesnt have one |
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| 23:13.53 | abrotman | use a monitor? |
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| 23:13.57 | riot | hmm.. i find it amusing, that some tool of the synce-deb is necessary to watch dvb-t using a usb-stick. |
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| 23:14.15 | riot | just for the stupid firmware. I HATE unfree firmware |
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| 23:14.29 | Ronin | abrotman: cant be bothered to swap out video cards |
| 23:14.36 | abrotman | gov't worker! |
| 23:14.42 | Ronin | yes sir |
| 23:14.51 | Ronin | maybe if i was getting paid |
| 23:15.31 | abrotman | hehe |
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| 23:17.53 | ponyofdeath | hi, how can i reload sysctl after modifying sysctl.conf |
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| 23:18.14 | vy | Is it possible to get the enabled kernel features related with current disk used? I'm having that VFS kernel panic while loading a customized kernel. Couldn't figure out which features are neccessary to fire up the system. |
| 23:18.24 | riot | hmm.. theres some mean bug in dvb-utils' doc. Gotta contact the author. Its not synce, thats required, but unshield. |
| 23:18.41 | moshii | vy: check what modules are loaded.. |
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| 23:19.21 | vy | moshii: I checked lsmod output. I'm probably missing something builtin. |
| 23:20.10 | moshii | vy: what hardware is it? are you using lvm or anything? |
| 23:20.19 | vy | Do I need ATA/ATAPI/MFM/RLL support enabled for a SATA laptop disk? I thought AHCI SATA Support should be enough. |
| 23:20.30 | CaT[tm] | it is |
| 23:20.47 | CaT[tm] | well AHCI would be if your system supports AHCI |
| 23:20.52 | vy | moshii: acer aspire 5920g laptop. |
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| 23:21.29 | CaT[tm] | vy: what does lspci | grep SATA say? |
| 23:21.34 | vy | CaT[tm]: I figured that out from lspci output. "SATA controller: Intel Corporation Mobile SATA AHCI Controller (rev 03) (prog-if 01 [AHCI 1.0])" |
| 23:22.25 | CaT[tm] | vy: then it should work. the other thing that might get in the way is if it's set to combined or back-compat mode in the bios. |
| 23:22.58 | vy | Hrm... I didn't check them. |
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| 23:24.37 | vy | So, may I conclude on ATA/ATAPI/MFM/RLL support is not required in my case? |
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| 23:25.02 | CaT[tm] | vy: is the cdrom IDE(PATA) or SATA? or do you not have one? |
| 23:25.19 | lindenle | anyone know how to mass convert using the gimp? My jpegs come out nicer from gif using it than using convert. |
| 23:25.40 | JKnife | I am on archlinux trying to do a debootstrap install (i have dpkg installed) and i am getting this error E: Invalid Release file, no entry for main/binary-/Packages |
| 23:25.41 | CaT[tm] | vy: or perhaps, does lspci show the presence of IDE hardware. |
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| 23:27.15 | vy | CaT[tm]: IDE interface: Intel Corporation Mobile IDE Controller (rev 03) (prog-if 8a [Master SecP PriP]) |
| 23:27.38 | CaT[tm] | vy: probably for the CDROM if you have one. |
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| 23:29.09 | vy | CaT[tm]: I think so. Checking lsmod output made me think that loaded ide_cd,generic,piix,ide_core modules belong to CDROM stuff. |
| 23:29.48 | CaT[tm] | vy: is the cdrom accessed via hda? does dmesg mention it (or /varlog/dmesg) |
| 23:30.37 | vy | CaT[tm]: Yep, cdrom is bound to /dev/hda |
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| 23:30.45 | CaT[tm] | vy: then you do need it :) |
| 23:31.19 | scotty_ | slackware wont install LILO UGHHH |
| 23:31.27 | CaT[tm] | vy: unless you want to try the new PATA via the SCSI subsystem support, but that's experimental mostly. |
| 23:31.53 | stew | scotty_: wrong channel |
| 23:31.54 | lindenle | anyone know of batch processing in the gimp |
| 23:32.06 | scotty_ | i know im just bitching |
| 23:32.22 | vy | CaT[tm]: I didn't think my SATA interface would ever depend to some other IDE support in the kernel. |
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| 23:32.38 | vy | CaT[tm]: Thanks. Let me enable those IDE stuff and try again. |
| 23:33.02 | CaT[tm] | vy: SATA, no. But you do have IDE h/w and there are now two ways to use it. The traditional IDE stuff or the new way which functions similar to SATA. |
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| 23:33.55 | jeffwheeler | Just out of curiosity, what makes sudo able to achieve root-level permissions? |
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| 23:34.16 | azeem | jeffwheeler: ls -l /usr/bin/sudo |
| 23:34.19 | jeffwheeler | I mean, I don't give it the root password; how is it able to escalate a proces's permission? |
| 23:34.19 | CaT[tm] | its setuid bit |
| 23:34.20 | fas3r | it's possible to simulate vlan ? |
| 23:34.48 | vy | CaT[tm]: But I don't think that is related with the VFS kernel panic caused by couldn't manage to mount root partition. |
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| 23:35.11 | jeffwheeler | azeem, CaT[tm]: oh, didn't know that; thanks |
| 23:35.24 | CaT[tm] | vy: yeah, I dobut that. what's root set to? |
| 23:35.36 | vy | (CaT[tm]: To clarify, root partition is located on disk and I'm trying to bootm from disk. No CDROM operation is necessary.) |
| 23:35.50 | vy | CaT[tm]: /dev/sda1 |
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| 23:36.57 | CaT[tm] | vy: hmm. try also selecting the ICH sata driver. |
| 23:38.44 | vy | CaT[tm]: Good catch! That might be the reason of the problem. I probably misleaded by that AHCI line in lspci output. Let me try booting with that options enabled. |
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| 23:41.53 | CaT[tm] | vy: good luck :) |
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| 23:45.18 | rickywh2 | when isp's give you a primary and secondary DNS server to use, usually they are caching only dns servers right? |
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| 23:46.48 | corky | hi all |
| 23:47.17 | koryak | hey corky |
| 23:47.19 | corky | im using debian net install.. but when i enter "sudo su", it says "corky is not in the sudoers file. This incident will be reported." |
| 23:47.27 | corky | well.. how do i get in the "sudoers file"? |
| 23:47.32 | corky | is it just /root or just /? |
| 23:47.40 | corky | hi koryak |
| 23:47.41 | koryak | it's |
| 23:47.42 | koryak | "su" |
| 23:47.48 | azeem | corky: configure sudo |
| 23:47.50 | azeem | corky: visudo |
| 23:47.54 | azeem | corky: man sudo |
| 23:48.00 | corky | >.<" |
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| 23:48.40 | bzed | corky: and sudo su makes no sense. either sudo, or su |
| 23:48.47 | corky | oh... ^_^ |
| 23:48.51 | corky | never knew ^_^ |
| 23:48.56 | stew | bzed: i do 'sudo su' all the time |
| 23:49.12 | corky | i used ubuntu before and i used sudo su also all the time |
| 23:49.23 | azeem | stew: you shouldn't su as sudo |
| 23:49.28 | corky | why? |
| 23:49.35 | azeem | just kidding |
| 23:49.35 | stew | azeem: why not? |
| 23:49.38 | corky | lol |
| 23:49.43 | snacky | 'sudo su' rocks! |
| 23:49.51 | azeem | but it's just like "Open root terminal" |
| 23:50.07 | bzed | good way to make some sparc machines die even faster :P |
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| 23:50.14 | stew | yeah, i guess i often do "sudo zsh" or "sudo su -" which are very different |
| 23:50.23 | corky | that rocks! :P |
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| 23:51.59 | kgoetz | sudo bash preserves ~ and a bunch of other things |
| 23:52.06 | rocketmagnet | hi, is there a tool to setup my graphic table ? i've installed the package xserver-xorg-input-aiptek, what do next ? |
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| 23:53.02 | corky | damn... the Geyes are addictive :O |
| 23:53.02 | corky | =P |
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