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| 00:12.17 | Mrdini | hullo all |
| 00:12.56 | Mrdini | how do I check if I haave ext2/ext3 support installed? (as I'm trying to mount some HDDs, & I'm getting errors) |
| 00:13.49 | azeem | Mrdini: grep ext /proc/filesystems |
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| 00:14.17 | Mrdini | azeem, hmm, ext2 & ext3 are in there |
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| 00:14.55 | Mrdini | hmm, in that case, any idea why I can't mount hdc1 & hdc3? (IIRC, they're either ext2 or ext3) |
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| 00:15.31 | solar_sea | !java |
| 00:15.32 | dpkg | Java is Sun's cross-platform OO language. Sun partially released java as GPL on Nov 13, 2006 (rest expected to be released in 2007). There are other implentations available in Debian such as 'free-java-sdk' for use with applications like Eclipse. The Sun JRE/JDK is in non-free. Also, ask about <install java>, <non-free>. |
| 00:15.37 | azeem | solar_sea: please /msg the bot |
| 00:15.40 | corky | !me |
| 00:15.41 | corky | :P |
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| 00:15.42 | corky | !kick me |
| 00:15.43 | corky | =P |
| 00:15.47 | solar_sea | okey :) |
| 00:15.48 | corky | Ahh,,, XD |
| 00:15.50 | azeem | corky: please /msg the bot |
| 00:15.54 | corky | oh.. srry |
| 00:15.54 | solar_sea | i'm just not sure of what to ask |
| 00:15.57 | corky | kick me |
| 00:16.01 | soberon | Good afternoon... Please: In what file is placed the zd1211-firmware? |
| 00:16.07 | corky | err... :S |
| 00:16.17 | azeem | solar_sea: there's other people besides dpkg who can answer questions |
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| 00:16.35 | azeem | Mrdini: check with file or a partitioner in read-only mode |
| 00:16.46 | azeem | ok, file doesn't work |
| 00:16.49 | abrotman | soberon: /lib/firmware/ should work |
| 00:16.55 | solar_sea | ah, that's true. so, how do I install sun's jdk system-wise without java-package, as apt-get install java-package fails and all sites mention this way ? |
| 00:16.58 | Mrdini | azeem, fdisk says type "Linux" so... |
| 00:17.09 | LjL | soberon: dpkg -L zd1211-firmware |
| 00:17.10 | soberon | Thanks Abrotman |
| 00:17.12 | refrijerator | Hello, can anyone install nvidia-glx in Debian sid right now? |
| 00:17.17 | theatro | Mrdini, what is the mount command you give and what is the reply |
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| 00:18.06 | theatro | refrijerator, why dont you ask your problem instead |
| 00:18.08 | azeem | solar_sea: it's sun-java5-jre |
| 00:18.17 | azeem | solar_sea: you need non-free activated |
| 00:18.25 | solar_sea | I need version 6 |
| 00:18.29 | Mrdini | theatro, the "-t" is just one of a few I've tried... "mount -text3 /dev/hdc3 /mnt/gentoo"... |
| 00:18.34 | solar_sea | okey, and where do I get a non-free mirror ? |
| 00:18.35 | Mrdini | mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/hdc3, or too many mounted file systems |
| 00:18.41 | azeem | solar_sea: /msg dpkg non-free |
| 00:18.45 | Tramp | Mrdini: What does "file -s <device>" say? |
| 00:18.51 | azeem | solar_sea: 6 is only available for testing |
| 00:18.56 | solar_sea | i'm using lenny |
| 00:18.58 | azeem | solar_sea: maybe check backports.org |
| 00:19.00 | corky | test |
| 00:19.03 | Mrdini | hmm, "data" |
| 00:19.04 | corky | OMFG |
| 00:19.08 | corky | no... srry |
| 00:19.09 | abrotman | solar_sea: it's in non-free .. it's called sun-java6-jdk |
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| 00:19.22 | Tramp | Mrdini: then its not an ext-FS. |
| 00:19.33 | Mrdini | Tramp, hmmm....... bugger |
| 00:19.35 | Tramp | Mrdini: or corrupted |
| 00:19.51 | Mrdini | hdc1 shows up as ext2, ext3 shows up as data |
| 00:19.54 | refrijerator | I get error that nvidia-glx requires xserver-xorg-core >=2.1.4, but it won't be installed (2.1.3 is) |
| 00:20.00 | Mrdini | hdc1 shows up as ext2, hdc3 shows up as data |
| 00:20.15 | corky | how do i get the nvidia-glx-new drivers on debian? |
| 00:20.20 | Tramp | Mrdini: And what is the mount-error with hdc1? |
| 00:20.35 | abrotman | refrijerator: did you try aptitude update ? |
| 00:20.45 | Mrdini | hmm, none - that mounted fine |
| 00:20.51 | Tramp | Mrdini: see. |
| 00:21.03 | refrijerator | abrotman: I tried apt-get update |
| 00:22.06 | abrotman | refrijerator: what is your CPU ? |
| 00:22.24 | refrijerator | abrotman: amd64 |
| 00:22.37 | abrotman | refrijerator: apt-cache policy xserver-xorg-core |
| 00:22.43 | dalias | what did you do to destroy it? |
| 00:22.53 | refrijerator | what does this do? |
| 00:22.56 | dalias | it's possible that you could recover from a backup masterblock elsewhere on the partition |
| 00:23.05 | abrotman | refrijerator: shows the candidate |
| 00:23.12 | rocketmagnet | has debian a config tool for graphic tables ? |
| 00:23.22 | rocketmagnet | the pen pressure does not work |
| 00:23.25 | abrotman | graphic tables ? |
| 00:23.28 | abrotman | oh .. wacom ? |
| 00:23.39 | Mrdini | dalias, TBH, nothing :P I was in the process of installing gentoo, blah blah, finished up, & then unmounted it & now it's fucked :) |
| 00:23.56 | dalias | then what does debian have to do with it? |
| 00:24.12 | abrotman | guess he didn't want help .. oh well |
| 00:24.12 | Mrdini | dalias, hda is debian |
| 00:24.34 | Mrdini | I'm trying to install gentoo on hdc (long story, don't ask) |
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| 00:24.48 | dwu_ | Mrdini: gentoo sucks |
| 00:25.00 | dalias | dwu_, that's aside from the point |
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| 00:25.21 | dwu_ | dalias: sorry i couldnt resist |
| 00:25.28 | Mrdini | dwu, as I said, it's a long story, & I'm not going to get into it - gentoo is pretty much the only option i have |
| 00:25.38 | zinx | Mrdini: try #gentoo |
| 00:26.08 | Mrdini | zinx, umm, why? this is a HDD I can't mount, in Debian |
| 00:26.39 | zinx | Mrdini: but you're asking how to recover a gentoo partition. that requires in-depth gentoo knowledge which we do not have. |
| 00:26.39 | Tramp | Mrdini: Your problem seems to be related to the gentoo installation process. |
| 00:26.58 | Mrdini | Tramp, hmmm |
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| 00:27.15 | zinx | Mrdini: not the least of which is what filesystem it's likely to be. |
| 00:27.16 | corky | anyone?.. how can i get the nvidia-glx(-new) packages? |
| 00:27.41 | corky | i use debian... can i use ubuntu's repositories? |
| 00:28.10 | zinx | corky: short answer: no. long answer: if you do, you're completely break your system and we will not be able to help you. |
| 00:28.20 | corky | oh... :S |
| 00:28.21 | zinx | erh, "you'll" |
| 00:28.22 | theatro | Mrdini, what are the mount points for these two partitions? / and /home ? |
| 00:28.34 | zinx | corky: debian/ubuntu packages are mostly not compatible |
| 00:28.43 | Mrdini | theatro, "eventually"? / and /boot |
| 00:28.44 | dondelelcaro | corky: if there are specific things from their repositories that you want, in general the right approach is to get the source package, and build binary packages. [However, you shouldn't do that for things which also have versions in Debian.] |
| 00:28.45 | corky | mostly, but its a driver right? :S |
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| 00:29.05 | azeem | corky: as soon as you start to install ubuntu packages, you won't get any support from here anymore |
| 00:29.06 | zinx | corky: drivers are likely to be completely incompatible, depending on which driver it is |
| 00:29.07 | abrotman | corky: which one? |
| 00:29.12 | Mrdini | the messed up partition (hdc3) is / |
| 00:29.21 | Mrdini | hdc1 is /boot |
| 00:29.27 | corky | well... ok... i want a nvidia-glx(-new) in debian but how? |
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| 00:29.34 | theatro | and hdc2 is what? |
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| 00:29.43 | Mrdini | swap |
| 00:30.05 | Mrdini | (which incindentally shows up as "data" wheen i do a "file -s" on it |
| 00:30.06 | corky | well.. i use a nvidia geforce go 6100 if that concerns |
| 00:30.08 | abrotman | corky: what is -new ? |
| 00:30.21 | manu_hack | why sometimes I mount the /dev/sda1 I the folder owner ship is me but sometimes it's root? |
| 00:30.21 | abrotman | isn't that legacy now? |
| 00:30.24 | zinx | abrotman: presumably 100.x or 162.x |
| 00:30.24 | corky | err.... |
| 00:30.38 | corky | abrotman, nvidia-glx is fore ubuntu 7.04, -new is for 7.10 |
| 00:30.41 | ctp | hi folks. anyone here has suggestions which gbit nic to take? i have many trouble with a marvell chip, so wanna buy a pci/pcie nic. |
| 00:30.48 | corky | ok... |
| 00:30.51 | abrotman | corky: that doesn't mean shit in debian |
| 00:31.02 | corky | yeah.. well... where can i get the drivers? |
| 00:31.06 | dondelelcaro | ctp: usually the intel ones are good, if overpriced. |
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| 00:31.07 | corky | and how do i install them |
| 00:31.10 | abrotman | corky: /msg dpkg nvidia one-liner |
| 00:31.12 | azeem | they're in non-free |
| 00:31.35 | zinx | sid has 100.14.19-1 as "nvidia-glx", lenny does not have nvidia-glx, i'm not sure what version etch has.. |
| 00:31.43 | zinx | !why is nvidia-glx not in testing |
| 00:31.44 | dpkg | nvidia-glx is not in testing for the reasons listed in http://bjorn.haxx.se/debian/testing.pl?package=nvidia-glx |
| 00:31.47 | corky | so i need to run "apt-get install nvidia-kernel-2.6-`uname -r | sed 's,.*-,,g'` nvidia-settings nvidia-glx && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg" (without the qoutes)? |
| 00:31.55 | azeem | 1.0.8776-4 |
| 00:32.11 | ctp | dondelelcaro: ok, thx. thought about them. intel pro 1000 pci-e for 25 euros. |
| 00:32.13 | azeem | corky: did dpkg tell you that? |
| 00:32.15 | abrotman | i thought 6xxx was legacy now |
| 00:32.24 | dondelelcaro | ctp: yeah, that's about right |
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| 00:32.35 | corky | oh and uhm.. i have a amd turion tl56 64 bit dual core cpu so i need to install the other one to? |
| 00:32.42 | corky | azeem yes it did |
| 00:32.42 | abrotman | no |
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| 00:32.47 | manu_hack | need to set UMASK? |
| 00:32.48 | azeem | corky: so why do you ask back? |
| 00:32.52 | dondelelcaro | ctp: in general it's been my experience that they work fairly well |
| 00:32.54 | azeem | corky: did it not work? |
| 00:32.57 | corky | i am not sure |
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| 00:33.03 | abrotman | corky: show us the output of `uname -a` |
| 00:33.08 | hwdyki | after apt-get update, how do get a list of packages that will be updated? |
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| 00:33.13 | corky | Linux floptop 2.6.18-5-486 #1 Tue Oct 2 23:38:54 UTC 2007 i686 GNU/Linux |
| 00:33.21 | ctp | dondelelcaro: ok, thx |
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| 00:33.52 | abrotman | corky: aptitude install linux-image-2.6-amd64 |
| 00:34.41 | corky | hold on... downing so... |
| 00:34.50 | corky | and abrotman ... you forgot sudo :P |
| 00:35.01 | abrotman | no i did not |
| 00:35.04 | wols_ | corky: he uses debian, so no he didn't |
| 00:35.05 | refrijerator | xserver-xorg-core: |
| 00:35.05 | refrijerator | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:35.05 | refrijerator | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:35.05 | refrijerator | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:35.05 | refrijerator | <PROTECTED> |
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| 00:35.08 | azeem | corky: we assume people are moderately able to do stuff |
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| 00:35.25 | corky | ok :D |
| 00:35.26 | azeem | and figure out how to get admin privs |
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| 00:35.48 | cusco | yea.. I noticed everybody is telling people do sudo this and sudo that |
| 00:35.48 | refrijerator | why does it not install xsrver 2.1.4? |
| 00:36.00 | wols_ | !tell refrijerator about bat |
| 00:36.03 | cusco | my debian instalation doesn't have sudo |
| 00:36.08 | azeem | !installit |
| 00:36.08 | dpkg | *** NEWS FLASH! *** Your box does not come with every app, tool and utility known to debiankind installed already. If you find that the program you've been told to use isn't there, install it. Also ask me about <search>. if someone suggests an application to you, it's highly likely that it's available via apt-get, or aptitude |
| 00:36.09 | zinx | !install it |
| 00:36.14 | zinx | doh, azeem wins |
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| 00:36.30 | corky | ok... i've installed "aptitude install linux-image-2.6-amd64" |
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| 00:36.42 | wols_ | corky: reboot with that kernel |
| 00:36.45 | corky | X-restart with ctrl+alt+backspace ? |
| 00:36.53 | corky | ok.. i'll do a WHOLE reboot :) |
| 00:37.04 | corky | brb |
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| 00:39.46 | corky | back |
| 00:39.57 | abrotman | what does uname -a say now? |
| 00:39.58 | corky | booted with the amd64 kernel... and now? |
| 00:39.59 | UstasW | I'll find out |
| 00:40.00 | BudgetDedicated | Hi, I tried to mount an ext3 filesystem that was in use and now that mount process is taking up 100% cpu, overflowing the syslog with messages about an unreferenced inode being deleted over and over again (same inode) I tried all kinds of kills but no result, anyone know a solution? |
| 00:40.00 | solar_sea | how can I setup debian to use the jre from sun-java6-jdk and not from free-java-sdk ? |
| 00:40.16 | wols_ | !tell solar_sea about install java |
| 00:40.21 | corky | abrotman, |
| 00:40.21 | corky | Linux floptop 2.6.18-5-amd64 #1 SMP Wed Oct 3 01:57:43 UTC 2007 x86_64 GNU/Linux |
| 00:40.35 | _Alix | solar_sea, get the jre from suns website and run it like "sh jre.bin" then just symlink it to /usr/bin |
| 00:40.44 | abrotman | solar_sea: if yu're on lenny .. setup the non-free sources and install sun-java6-jdk |
| 00:40.56 | abrotman | _Alix: no .. don't do that |
| 00:40.57 | wols_ | _Alix: don't break people's debian systems please |
| 00:41.04 | abrotman | solar_sea: ignore _Alix |
| 00:41.09 | _Alix | either way he gets jre |
| 00:41.14 | abrotman | _Alix: your way sucks |
| 00:41.25 | _Alix | why |
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| 00:41.29 | solar_sea | abrotman, i've done this, but trying to run any of my apps from the console results in a bunch of errors from libgcj |
| 00:41.44 | abrotman | _Alix: if you don't know .. you shouldn't be answering |
| 00:41.52 | wols_ | solar_sea: uninstall gcj java first |
| 00:41.54 | abrotman | solar_sea: update-alternatives --config java |
| 00:41.56 | corky | hey abrotman |
| 00:42.02 | abrotman | corky: yes .. hi |
| 00:42.11 | corky | i dont have the nvidia driver do i? |
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| 00:42.20 | wols_ | corky: what videocard? |
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| 00:42.35 | corky | nvidia geforce go 6100 |
| 00:42.53 | solar_sea | well, but it seems like openoffice requires the java-gcj-compat |
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| 00:42.57 | wols_ | corky: you have a new kernel, not a nvidia driver |
| 00:43.02 | corky | >.<" |
| 00:43.08 | corky | so... how do i get the nvidia driver? |
| 00:43.11 | wols_ | solar_sea: it requires a jvm. no matter which |
| 00:43.38 | wols_ | !tell corky about install nvidia |
| 00:44.08 | corky | err,.. wols |
| 00:44.14 | corky | i don't get something from dpkg |
| 00:44.28 | corky | !tell corky about install nvidia |
| 00:44.30 | corky | :S |
| 00:44.33 | wols_ | !llte corky about nvidia |
| 00:44.38 | corky | i have it wols_ ;-) |
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| 00:44.48 | corky | <dpkg> i dunno what is 'install nvidia'. |
| 00:44.55 | abrotman | !tell corky about nvidia one-liner |
| 00:44.56 | wols_ | !!tell corky about nvidia |
| 00:44.59 | corky | !tell corky about nvidia |
| 00:45.28 | corky | im on amd 64 |
| 00:45.47 | wols_ | only your kernel is |
| 00:45.53 | corky | and on a new kernel.. do i need to install nvidia-glx-ia32? |
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| 00:46.20 | corky | so i have a 64 bit kernel now?.. ok |
| 00:47.17 | corky | well... i'll take a look @ it tomorrow |
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| 00:47.21 | corky | cyall |
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| 00:47.44 | abrotman | wols_: good job! |
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| 00:48.01 | azeem | oops |
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| 00:48.15 | coffeejunkie | is ntfs-3g available in etch? or can i just use the usual ntfs for mounting r/w my ntfs partitions? thanks. |
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| 00:49.08 | abrotman | coffeejunkie: backports.org has a version for etch |
| 00:49.15 | n_np | abrotman ;p |
| 00:49.22 | abrotman | what? |
| 00:49.24 | coffeejunkie | abrotman, thank you :) |
| 00:49.31 | n_np | wotzup |
| 00:49.35 | n_np | where's stew |
| 00:49.43 | n_np | my debian server crashed |
| 00:49.45 | abrotman | i'm sure he's around somewhere |
| 00:49.51 | n_np | it won't turn on anymore |
| 00:49.55 | n_np | we must give it a funeral. |
| 00:49.58 | abrotman | it crashed or you killed it? |
| 00:50.21 | n_np | it just refused to turn off |
| 00:50.24 | n_np | i mean turn on |
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| 00:51.26 | wols_ | n_np: I guess it was out of self preservation |
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| 00:51.27 | stew | i'm supposed to eulogize or something? |
| 00:51.35 | abrotman | stew: that'd be swell |
| 00:51.45 | n_np | i contacted the motherboard manufacturer and they just talk about power supplies and batteries |
| 00:51.46 | coffeejunkie | n_np, must be the psu, maybe a busted fuse? |
| 00:51.46 | n_np | dono |
| 00:51.46 | n_np | the fans turn on |
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| 00:51.59 | bucky | for future reference... 2.6.22 does not like those ata to sata adapter cables |
| 00:52.31 | coffeejunkie | n_np, had that once, wont boot but the fans are on, turned out it's the ram modules. but yours maybe different |
| 00:52.40 | n_np | I tried that too |
| 00:52.51 | coffeejunkie | hmm |
| 00:52.59 | n_np | ram modules problem has a specific beep, it is continuous |
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| 00:54.45 | coffeejunkie | n_np, no not all but yeah it may also be a different prob. you can try borrowing working ones and using that to eliminate the prob |
| 00:55.01 | n_np | good idea |
| 00:55.22 | n_np | what worked for me when i had a problem like this once before |
| 00:55.23 | n_np | is all i did |
| 00:55.29 | n_np | is i turned it on, then i pressed reset |
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| 00:56.06 | coffeejunkie | it can be anything along those lines, psu, mobo, case switch even |
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| 00:56.14 | abrotman | or a toasted cpu |
| 00:56.19 | dvs | yeah |
| 00:56.27 | abrotman | hehe |
| 00:56.29 | dwu | 'brot |
| 00:56.32 | n_np | i even checked the cpu, it looks good as new |
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| 00:56.35 | n_np | :/ |
| 00:56.38 | dvs | right on time |
| 00:56.39 | abrotman | WE WANT A EULOGY! |
| 00:56.42 | abrotman | i dwu |
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| 00:56.44 | abrotman | erm .. hi |
| 00:56.45 | coffeejunkie | :) |
| 00:56.48 | abrotman | i am not dwu |
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| 00:57.10 | dwu | ... 'k. |
| 00:57.49 | kgoetz | hehe |
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| 00:57.58 | coffeejunkie | n_np, how long have you had that box |
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| 01:03.09 | rickywwww | when i do a apt-get install bind9, does it install a caching nameserver by default? |
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| 01:03.16 | metabaron | .lamoule |
| 01:03.42 | metabaron | mistake |
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| 01:04.22 | abrotman | rickywwww: it should |
| 01:04.46 | Xyhthyx | I held some packages with aptitude hold, and now they won't unhold ;__; |
| 01:05.10 | Xyhthyx | Is there a way to forget all holds? |
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| 01:06.10 | rocketmagnet | hi, can someone please tell me how to install an src.rpm package ? |
| 01:06.11 | wols_ | !hold |
| 01:06.11 | dpkg | hold is a status flag which tells apt (or aptitude) not to automatically upgrade a package. To hold a package, 'echo pkgname hold|dpkg --set-selections' or use = in aptitude's curses interface. You can ignore a hold by using apt-get install foopkg; or by using + in aptitude's curses interface. [Note that this is *NOT* the same as packages which have been "held back" because they require packages that are not currently (or tri |
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| 01:07.37 | Tramp | (or tri? |
| 01:08.10 | abrotman | rocketmagnet: why would you? |
| 01:08.10 | Xyhthyx | Heh. |
| 01:08.16 | abrotman | Xyhthyx: explicitly install them |
| 01:08.39 | stew | Xyhthyx: what makes you say they won't unhold? |
| 01:09.02 | rocketmagnet | abrotman, i got a new graphic table and want to install the drivers from the sourceforge page, i have only found the xorg-input-aiptek package for debian, but i have no setup tool |
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| 01:09.28 | rocketmagnet | so i want to install those from sourceforge |
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| 01:09.40 | Saar | any suggestions about the most secure ftp server in debian stable? ignoring sftp |
| 01:09.42 | sdubois92 | i added a xmodmap command into gnome-session-properties but it doesnt work when i boot |
| 01:09.43 | Xyhthyx | Unheld them all, aptitude show says they're not installed. |
| 01:09.53 | Xyhthyx | I'll just explicitly install them.. |
| 01:10.09 | abrotman | rocketmagnet: what's wrong with the one in debian ? |
| 01:10.19 | abrotman | rocketmagnet: setup for what? |
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| 01:10.45 | abrotman | there's also -hyperpen |
| 01:11.19 | rocketmagnet | for the buttons on the table for example |
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| 01:11.34 | troubled | warning, spammer on the loose "-Hoperator:#ubuntu- You have 1 new message. Type /server mail to read it." |
| 01:11.40 | rocketmagnet | and the gimp does not recognices it as a special input device - so no pen pressure =( =( |
| 01:11.41 | Kevin` | Hoperator :( |
| 01:11.48 | abrotman | !ops Hoperator noticing spam or something |
| 01:11.48 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: abrotman complains about: Hoperator noticing spam or something |
| 01:11.57 | dwu | Hoperator: Idiot. |
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| 01:12.32 | rocketmagnet | abrotman: i thought that another driver |
| 01:12.43 | abrotman | thanks staff! |
| 01:12.46 | rocketmagnet | because my table is an aiptek, and the driver i use is called aiptek |
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| 01:13.13 | abrotman | rocketmagnet: and google doesn't tell you how to set it up at all ? or the driver man page? |
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| 01:13.39 | RichiH | abrotman: ta |
| 01:13.40 | rocketmagnet | they show me the src.rpm page - but i don't know how to install this one |
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| 01:13.40 | abrotman | hi RichiH! |
| 01:13.40 | abrotman | rocketmagnet: where? |
| 01:13.43 | rocketmagnet | from sourceforge |
| 01:13.47 | abrotman | URL? |
| 01:13.51 | abrotman | don't make me guess :) |
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| 01:14.13 | rocketmagnet | http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-122735.html |
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| 01:14.43 | rocketmagnet | i've done the xorg.conf setup, but that doesn't changed anything |
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| 01:15.12 | rocketmagnet | how can i check if my config is used and correct driver is used ? |
| 01:15.37 | abrotman | rocketmagnet: http://aiptektablet.sourceforge.net/gaiptek.html ? |
| 01:16.25 | abrotman | http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=75377&package_id=134536&release_id=279824 |
| 01:16.31 | abrotman | seems like you can compile it yourself |
| 01:16.50 | rocketmagnet | that's what src.rpm are for or ? |
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| 01:19.05 | rocketmagnet | abrotman, but how can i compile the src.rpm ? |
| 01:19.37 | kgoetz | rocketmagnet: you want tar if there is any |
| 01:19.50 | rocketmagnet | no |
| 01:19.54 | rocketmagnet | only src.rpm =( |
| 01:19.58 | abrotman | yes .. i just showed you |
| 01:19.58 | multi_io | I seem to be able to reliably reproduce a situation in which any attempts at playing back music over Alsa/Dmix block. I can trigger this by starting a youtube video in Firefox (Flash 9 plugin) and then loading another page while the video is still playing. Can anyone reproduce this? |
| 01:20.07 | rocketmagnet | oh |
| 01:20.11 | rocketmagnet | sry |
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| 01:21.23 | abrotman | whoa .. that thing is freaky |
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| 01:28.13 | sdubois92 | if i want to install the 2.6.22 kernel, what do i run? |
| 01:28.40 | sdubois92 | apt-get install linux-source-2.6.22? |
| 01:28.41 | abrotman | in which veresion of debian ? |
| 01:28.44 | sdubois92 | Etch |
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| 01:29.02 | abrotman | !tell sdubois92 about bpo |
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| 01:30.08 | sdubois92 | that told me what backports is. i want to know if i can update to 2.6.22 from aptitude |
| 01:30.08 | bucky | there's an aiptek module in the kernel and xserver-xorg-input-aiptek available in the repos |
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| 01:30.34 | abrotman | sdubois92: go to backports.org .. follow the instructions |
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| 01:30.50 | sdubois92 | ah ok |
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| 01:33.42 | corpcomp | par port problem. The par por is turned on in bios, I configured the par port from console "mknod /dev/parport0 c 99 0" "chmod a+rw /dev/parport0" "modprobe ppdev" but after I reboot it dissapears. Any thoughts would be most helpfull |
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| 01:33.58 | Azar | hello honorables! |
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| 01:36.58 | wols_ | corpcomp: udev |
| 01:37.55 | wols_ | corpcomp: look in /dev/.static/dev |
| 01:38.33 | abrotman | stew: ping? |
| 01:39.07 | abrotman | stew: ignore |
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| 01:41.05 | cbr1 | ping! |
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| 01:58.15 | auto359 | if i want to install the latest JDK on a headless Debian Etch server, what is the best repo to use? a normal "non-free" or get the debian-multimedia? |
| 01:58.55 | abrotman | the latest JDK in etch ? |
| 01:59.11 | auto359 | just the latest JDK package i can get for debian |
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| 01:59.43 | abrotman | in etch that is java5 |
| 01:59.49 | abrotman | !info sun-java5-jdk |
| 01:59.52 | abrotman | !info sun-java5-jdk etch |
| 01:59.52 | dpkg | sun-java5-jdk: (Sun Java(TM) Development Kit (JDK) 5.0), section non-free/devel, is optional. Version: 1.5.0-13-1 (sid), Packaged size: 4931 kB, Installed size: 11452 kB |
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| 01:59.54 | abrotman | there we go! |
| 02:00.06 | dpkg | sun-java5-jdk: (Sun Java(TM) Development Kit (JDK) 5.0), section non-free/devel, is optional. Version: 1.5.0-10-3 (etch), Packaged size: 4923 kB, Installed size: 11420 kB |
| 02:00.06 | abrotman | where'd it go ? |
| 02:00.08 | abrotman | oh .. there! |
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| 02:00.42 | auto359 | abrotman: thanks |
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| 02:10.47 | stew | abrotman: hi |
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| 02:11.18 | abrotman | stew: nm ... thanks for answering :) |
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| 02:13.25 | multi_io | Does Dmix's ability to playback multiple sounds simutaneously depend on the well-behaving of all involved applications? |
| 02:13.32 | multi_io | i.e. can one app block all further playback by using the API wrong or something? |
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| 02:15.26 | Guerin | multi_io: this is much too technical a question to ask in #debian. Ask #alsa. |
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| 02:17.32 | multi_io | Guerin: I did. They don'T answer |
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| 02:18.13 | multi_io | I asked the same question ealier with a reproducible example: |
| 02:18.29 | multi_io | I seem to be able to reliably reproduce a situation in which any attempts at playing back music over Alsa/Dmix block. I can trigger this by starting a youtube video in Firefox (Flash 9 plugin) and then loading another page while the video is still playing. Can anyone reproduce this? |
| 02:18.57 | Guerin | multi_io: ten a mailing list or somesuch is probably the place. Definitely nothing to do with here. |
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| 02:20.18 | Azar | multi_io: this is between #firefox and #alsa... nothing to do with the Debian/Linux operating system |
| 02:20.42 | abrotman | it has nothing to do with firefox |
| 02:21.05 | Azar | abrotman: youtube is accessed through firefox |
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| 02:21.12 | Guerin | Azar: and flash |
| 02:21.13 | abrotman | Azar: via flash .. |
| 02:21.21 | Azar | ah yes, flash my bad |
| 02:21.24 | abrotman | Azar: that flash plugin would act the same regardless of the browser |
| 02:21.31 | Guerin | and flash is well known to not play nice with anything |
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| 02:22.03 | multi_io | if it is an API problem as I suspected, it is an Alsa problem, Firefox/Flash is just the vehicle to expose the problem here |
| 02:22.06 | Azar | hehe my firefox breaks on images... I could imagine it could explode on flash |
| 02:22.30 | drewr | When my machines reboots after a libc upgrade, Debian can't find any users. How did I screw it up? |
| 02:22.53 | drewr | I ssh in and get "i have no name" |
| 02:22.55 | Azar | :) clean house? |
| 02:22.56 | abrotman | multi_io: or it's a flash problem |
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| 02:23.40 | bucky | multi_io, there's a ton of documetation on it |
| 02:23.42 | bucky | http://gentoo-wiki.com/HOWTO_ALSA_sound_mixer_aka_dmix#Firefox.2C_Mozilla.2C_RealPlayer.2C_Skype_.26_Co |
| 02:23.46 | bucky | for one |
| 02:23.50 | multi_io | a properly designed API can't be broken by a user of the API, no matter how closed source the user is |
| 02:24.31 | bucky | i can play two streams at once.. that's a feature |
| 02:24.38 | multi_io | even more so if the API is a kernel API (which Alsa is) and the user is a userspace app (which Flash is) and doesn't contain kernel modules (which Flash doesn't). |
| 02:25.07 | multi_io | bucky: try to reproduce what I describe above |
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| 02:25.23 | magyar | hi, i created a new md device, how do i add it to /etc/mdadm/mdadm.conf? |
| 02:25.29 | bucky | i can't even figure out what that sentence meant above |
| 02:25.31 | multi_io | I can also play two streams at once under normal circumstances |
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| 02:27.39 | multi_io | you start a youtube video in FF (in fact, any flash video with sound will do, apparently), then load another page in the same tab while the video is still playing. Then try to playback another stream outside FF (e.g. an mp3 in mplayer) |
| 02:28.03 | multi_io | the playback of that other stream blocks |
| 02:28.23 | multi_io | ...until you quit FF |
| 02:29.32 | abrotman | multi_io: sounds like a flash problem .. talk to adobe |
| 02:29.44 | multi_io | 03:23 < multi_io> a properly designed API can't be broken by a user of the API, no matter how closed source the user is |
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| 02:30.16 | dondelelcaro | so long as the user uses the API |
| 02:30.24 | dondelelcaro | and not things that happen to work but are not in the API |
| 02:30.35 | dondelelcaro | (and doesn't additionally rely on the ABI) |
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| 02:30.55 | multi_io | I mean OK, maybe the Alsa people "designed" the API such that it only works if all users of the API use it correctly, and if any user doesn't, all users are in trouble |
| 02:31.05 | abrotman | multi_io: which version of flash is this? |
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| 02:31.07 | multi_io | in which case Alsa would be the new ICCCM |
| 02:31.12 | multi_io | 9 |
| 02:32.00 | multi_io | the Alsa-using one |
| 02:32.46 | multi_io | I can playback mp3/mplayer streams simultaneously while the FLash video is running. The problems start after loading another page as described. |
| 02:32.50 | Azar | multi_io: speaking of youtube and adobe what they do is more annoying than a bad-taste website filled with scrolling marquees: http://www.beet.tv/2007/11/youtube-has-inn.html |
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| 02:33.10 | Azar | id be damned if I would ever need adobe and their flash |
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| 02:41.49 | drewr | Can I specify a different root path for aptitude/dpkg? |
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| 02:42.20 | drewr | My VPS is in a repair mode where my real system is in /repair and I need to fix some packages (libc6). |
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| 02:44.38 | abrotman | drewr: man dpkg |
| 02:45.51 | drewr | abrotman: Just saw --root. :-) |
| 02:45.53 | drewr | Thanks. |
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| 02:46.22 | moshii | is there a how to on rebuilding the offical kernel packages anywhere? I'm not having much luck finding out how to do it |
| 02:46.56 | Azar | a precompiled kernel, or making one? |
| 02:47.40 | abrotman | !kp |
| 02:47.40 | dpkg | To compile a kernel The Debian Way(tm) "apt-get install kernel-package build-essential libncurses5-dev" and follow the instructions in /usr/share/doc/kernel-package/README.gz; You should also ask me about 'make-kpkg' and 'kp mantra' |
| 02:47.41 | multi_io | http://user.cs.tu-berlin.de/~klischat/mydocs/debian/install-kernel.txt.html |
| 02:47.41 | mks | debian is for loosers |
| 02:47.49 | Azar | moshii: http://www.howtoforge.com/kernel_compilation_debian_etch |
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| 02:48.13 | abrotman | gentoo users can't spell ... |
| 02:48.15 | abrotman | :) |
| 02:48.18 | Azar | haha |
| 02:48.25 | moshii | Azar: I need to backport a patch to 2.6.22.. I can't go to 2.6.23 yet because it lacks vserver support |
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| 02:49.08 | moshii | Azar: I want to patch the source the debian packages are built from and rebuild if possible |
| 02:49.13 | drewr | I guess I really need to specify an alternate root for apt-get or aptitude instead of dpkg. |
| 02:49.21 | drewr | I need to run a dist-upgrade. |
| 02:49.37 | abrotman | what did you do to your server? |
| 02:50.23 | Azar | hmm 2.6.23.9 just went stable |
| 02:50.26 | drewr | abrotman: I believe the state it's in is that libc6 was half-installed. |
| 02:50.32 | abrotman | yes .. why? |
| 02:50.54 | drewr | It was trying to upgrade from 2.6 to 2.7 and failed for some reason. My terminal window died before I could see why. |
| 02:51.07 | drewr | dpkg.log doesn't really tell me why either. |
| 02:51.19 | abrotman | your libc6 from 2.6 to 2.7? |
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| 02:51.49 | drewr | Yeah, trying to install sun-java5-sdk of all things. I figured, hey I'll go with the package instead of mucking around myself. |
| 02:52.32 | abrotman | uhm .. on etch? |
| 02:52.54 | drewr | Sid. |
| 02:53.01 | moshii | drewr: if you've broken libc, you'll need something static to repair it |
| 02:53.05 | abrotman | you're complaining because your sid "server" broke? |
| 02:53.38 | drewr | abrotman: I'm not complaining, just trying to fix it. |
| 02:53.59 | Azar | there is no serious, stable and secure server in sid |
| 02:54.10 | abrotman | eh? |
| 02:54.33 | drewr | Right, it's probably not the best idea, but I rarely have problems with Sid. It's just when I do, it sucks. |
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| 02:54.41 | abrotman | drewr: you can try to use -x to extract it to an alternate directory .. but it'll be inconsistent since the installed version won't match the dpkg version |
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| 02:55.48 | drewr | abrotman: -x to what? dpkg? |
| 02:56.00 | abrotman | erm .. -X |
| 02:56.23 | abrotman | erm .. -x .. jesus i can't read |
| 02:56.52 | drewr | So, extract the libc6 deb by hand? |
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| 02:58.56 | sparr__ | how can i let users other than root start the X server? |
| 02:59.12 | nocti | if i get this error upon apt-get install of ntfs-3g "ntfs-3g: Depends: libfuse2 (>= 2.6) but 2.5.3-4.4 is to be installed", what should be my next move? thanks |
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| 02:59.18 | MoDe2 | hello all |
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| 02:59.55 | MoDe2 | i need with a ftp client install, pftpmew. I have error about server.cc and dunnon how to fix that. Any idea ?? |
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| 03:00.15 | MoDe2 | server.cc: In member function 'void CServer::SortFilelist(bool, bool)': |
| 03:00.15 | MoDe2 | server.cc:5360: error: array bound forbidden after parenthesized type-id |
| 03:00.16 | MoDe2 | server.cc:5360: note: try removing the parentheses around the type-id |
| 03:00.22 | MoDe2 | this kind of error |
| 03:00.32 | abrotman | ask them ... |
| 03:00.51 | MoDe2 | dont arrive to contact them |
| 03:01.12 | MoDe2 | im sending mail but there is no answer since four days |
| 03:01.44 | MoDe2 | is there a problem with program or anything is missing on my linux ? |
| 03:02.08 | Azar | sparr__: starting X as root is a nono in the first place |
| 03:02.17 | nocti | how do i install a newer version of libfuse? on apt search only one version is there, i have backport repos. tnx |
| 03:04.32 | gravity | X already runs as root |
| 03:04.39 | nocti | ls -l |
| 03:04.42 | nocti | oops |
| 03:04.49 | multi_io | MoDe2: looks like you have a different compiler than the guy who wrote that program. That's all that can be said at a glance |
| 03:05.15 | MoDe2 | and possible to fix that ? |
| 03:06.18 | multi_io | isn't there a binary package for this program? |
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| 03:06.50 | MoDe2 | dont seems |
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| 03:07.25 | Kage`Laptop | I've got a severe problem with my Debian server |
| 03:07.27 | Kage`Laptop | [kage@konjou ~]$ su |
| 03:07.27 | Kage`Laptop | su: Module is unknown |
| 03:07.27 | Kage`Laptop | Sorry. |
| 03:08.24 | multi_io | MoDe2: then you could try another compiler |
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| 03:08.46 | MoDe2 | how can i chosse compiler ? |
| 03:08.55 | multi_io | export CXX=cpp-4.0 or somesuch |
| 03:09.02 | multi_io | ..and then run the compile again |
| 03:09.16 | multi_io | cpp-<Tab> to check which compilers you have |
| 03:09.22 | Kage`Laptop | What can I do now that su doesn't work? |
| 03:09.55 | MoDe2 | cpp-3.4 cpp-4.1 |
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| 03:10.07 | multi_io | ok. then try cpp-3.4 |
| 03:10.22 | abrotman | init=/bin/sh |
| 03:10.31 | phogg | Kage`Laptop: what shell are you using? |
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| 03:10.41 | MoDe2 | whit export command ?? |
| 03:10.43 | multi_io | or well, cpp --version gives then compiler you use by default. Try the other one. |
| 03:10.56 | RedEyess | I just want to say that Debian is alot of fun in 4.0r1 |
| 03:10.59 | multi_io | export CXX=cpp-3.4 |
| 03:11.06 | RedEyess | it's so easy to get my laptop up and running... |
| 03:11.13 | RedEyess | i had a problem with another distro |
| 03:11.23 | RedEyess | and with Debian it was quite easy to install |
| 03:12.11 | MoDe2 | multi_io: i write export CXX=cpp-3.4 but deflaut compiler stay 4.1.2 |
| 03:12.41 | multi_io | MoDe2: I'd probably delete the build directory and unpack the sources again, just to be sure |
| 03:12.55 | bucky | abrotman, i wonder what happend to Torgo |
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| 03:13.10 | abrotman | bucky: he's probably waiting for it to boot |
| 03:13.17 | bucky | yes |
| 03:14.02 | Kage`Laptop | Ok, someone please help me with this. I cannot 'su'. I get a "su: Module is unknown" error |
| 03:14.05 | Kage`Laptop | What can I do? |
| 03:14.46 | abrotman | init=/bin/sh |
| 03:14.47 | riot | how do i install xine-lib in unstable? i need the dvb-plugin for gxine |
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| 03:15.52 | MoDe2 | sorry i dont understand multi_io :p |
| 03:16.15 | abrotman | riot: apt-cache search libxine |
| 03:17.45 | riot | abrotman: yes, i have everything i can get installed. Still no dvb plugin, atleast thats what xine claims. |
| 03:17.46 | nocti | how do i install a newer version of libfuse2? |
| 03:18.18 | nocti | it's in the backports but when i do an apt-cache search libfuse2 it just gives the old/stable version. |
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| 03:18.23 | MoDe2 | multi_io can look on http://pastebin.com/m36dc996a |
| 03:18.29 | DawnLight | nocti: what do you need it for? |
| 03:18.30 | abrotman | riot: maybe it's not free? |
| 03:18.31 | multi_io | Kage`Laptop: install sudo maybe? |
| 03:18.32 | MoDe2 | it's all the error |
| 03:18.39 | nocti | DawnLight: ntfs-3g says he needs it |
| 03:18.48 | Nwallins|home | what multi monitor hardware has the best support? matrox? nvidia? one card or several? |
| 03:18.57 | Kage`Laptop | multi_io, I can't su into root, though |
| 03:18.59 | Nwallins|home | s/support/driver/ ? |
| 03:19.10 | Kage`Laptop | multi_io, And this is a remotely-hosted dedicated server |
| 03:19.11 | DeZ_666 | Kage`Laptop: log in as root and then get it? |
| 03:19.11 | multi_io | Kage`Laptop: you can't become root at all? |
| 03:19.13 | DawnLight | nocti: use aptitude to install it from backports |
| 03:19.27 | Kage`Laptop | DeZ_666, can't, I blocked that |
| 03:19.56 | DeZ_666 | Kage`Laptop: can't log into root at all?? |
| 03:20.12 | nocti | DawnLight: tnx |
| 03:20.14 | DeZ_666 | do you have synaptic package manager..? :D |
| 03:20.24 | Kage`Laptop | DeZ_666, no, I cannot su and I have root logins disabled on ssh |
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| 03:20.45 | riot | abrotman: i don't think so. i saw related source code on hg.debian.org.. yet i don't want to mix such weird sources into my system just to have dvb |
| 03:20.49 | Kage`Laptop | DeZ_666, the only allowed way into root is to su from a wheel user, and it's giving me a "module unknown" error |
| 03:21.19 | Kage`Laptop | DeZ_666, another weird issue is I'm apparently out of PTS's, and users in 'ps' are showing up as #userid |
| 03:21.34 | multi_io | MoDe2: hm. It still uses g++. |
| 03:21.37 | DeZ_666 | you aren't physically @ the box? |
| 03:21.44 | abrotman | riot: i don't think it's in debian .. apt-cache search dvb xine |
| 03:21.44 | MoDe2 | yes |
| 03:21.54 | multi_io | MoDe2: you're not running "configure" or anything first? |
| 03:22.15 | MoDe2 | first configure yes |
| 03:22.16 | MoDe2 | eureka:/prout/pftpfxp-mew# g++ |
| 03:22.16 | MoDe2 | g++ g++-3.4 g++-4.1 |
| 03:22.25 | riot | abrotman: nope, nothing found. But according to some howtos, that "library/plugin" should exist in libxine - which it seemingly does not :((( |
| 03:22.38 | abrotman | check the BTS ? |
| 03:23.02 | riot | i guess, any newb trying to setup dvb under a linux would be frustrated quite fast and buy a mac or do worse things.. |
| 03:23.04 | multi_io | and you deleted and re-unpacked the source directory, and you did the export CXX=g+ |
| 03:23.12 | riot | dvb --> pain in the arse |
| 03:23.19 | multi_io | export CXX=g++-3.4 before running configure? |
| 03:23.56 | Nwallins|home | what multihead gfx card has the best linux support? |
| 03:24.02 | wols | riot: could be a configure option debian didn't take? |
| 03:24.22 | MoDe2 | http://pastebin.com/m4f6a0aed |
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| 03:24.25 | MoDe2 | look same problem |
| 03:24.31 | Kage`Laptop | DeZ_666, the box is in Chicago, I'm 2700 miles from there |
| 03:24.37 | wols | Nwallins|home: all videocards are multihead nowadays. and see /msg dpkg best |
| 03:24.41 | DeZ_666 | thats a bit of a problem eh? |
| 03:24.48 | wols | Kage`Laptop: is there a rescue system? |
| 03:24.56 | Kage`Laptop | wols, such as? |
| 03:25.04 | wols | one by the hoster |
| 03:25.13 | MoDe2 | but not possible to change default g++ compiler ? |
| 03:25.14 | Kage`Laptop | Not that I know of :/ |
| 03:25.22 | wols | MoDe2: it is |
| 03:25.26 | Nwallins|home | wols: best, as in, non-flaky, non-buggy driver that uses the most of the gfx hardware |
| 03:25.40 | riot | *gah* |
| 03:25.45 | multi_io | MoDe2: ok, looks like a non-standard configure. try "./configure --help". Does it tell you some other way there to set the compiler? |
| 03:25.54 | Nwallins|home | also, free as in libre would be nice. 3d would be nice, but not essential |
| 03:25.54 | wols | Nwallins|home: matrox I guess. but why would you want to buy one of those? |
| 03:25.58 | riot | i just found out: the dvb-plugin IS installed, just the interface was handing out SHITTY error-messages. |
| 03:26.05 | MoDe2 | try : ./configure <--openssldir [dir]> <--debug> <--nossl> <platform> |
| 03:26.08 | MoDe2 | just this |
| 03:26.14 | riot | some other problem here.. i think it tries to load WEIRD channels and just fails. |
| 03:26.17 | wols | Nwallins|home: also R300 based ati cards I guess |
| 03:26.22 | MoDe2 | pFTP configure utility by HoE... |
| 03:26.22 | MoDe2 | Platform = Linux |
| 03:26.22 | MoDe2 | try : ./configure <--openssldir [dir]> <--debug> <--nossl> <platform> |
| 03:26.22 | MoDe2 | supported platforms = bsd/lnx/cyg |
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| 03:26.33 | Nwallins|home | wols: ok. why not buy matrox? |
| 03:26.42 | Nwallins|home | wols: i'm accepting donations as well ;) |
| 03:26.52 | multi_io | MoDe2: ok. Then I'm afraid you'll have to set the compiler in the Makefile |
| 03:26.53 | wols | Nwallins|home: about 5-10 years old. practically no 3D |
| 03:27.09 | Nwallins|home | oh, i see |
| 03:27.21 | MoDe2 | i can do nithing ? |
| 03:27.29 | multi_io | looks at the first lines of the Makefile for something like CC=g++ CPP=g++ CXX=g++ or similar |
| 03:27.33 | wols | MoDe2: /usr/bin/g++ is a symlink |
| 03:28.33 | MoDe2 | there i snothing like this |
| 03:28.48 | wols | nothing like what? |
| 03:28.56 | MoDe2 | CC=g++ CPP=g++ CXX=g++ |
| 03:29.12 | wols | change the symlink then |
| 03:29.20 | wols | change it back afterwards |
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| 03:29.38 | MoDe2 | wich symlink ? |
| 03:30.04 | wols | the one I told you about |
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| 03:30.41 | multi_io | MoDe2: cd /usr/bin; ln -s g++-3.4 g++ |
| 03:31.13 | multi_io | umm.. ln -sf probably, not ln -s |
| 03:31.42 | kgoetz | if i blow away 70-persistent-net.rules will it be recreatd next boot? |
| 03:31.51 | multi_io | cd /usr/bin; ln -sf g++-3.4 g++ |
| 03:32.23 | multi_io | then run the compile again |
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| 03:33.13 | Kage`Laptop | wols, DeZ_666, hah! I did a port-scan and found an port-forwarding system they have for power management of my server. I just did a cold shutdown and now I'm turning it back on, hoping it'll reset itself |
| 03:33.18 | nocti | i need a 2.6.20 kernel, this is a freshly installed etch/stable. where can i get a new kernel? |
| 03:33.29 | MoDe2 | error again |
| 03:33.39 | wols | nocti: why exactly a 2.6.20? |
| 03:33.55 | wols | !tell MoDe2 about errors |
| 03:34.01 | wols | MoDe2: we're not psychic |
| 03:34.01 | DeZ_666 | Kage`Laptop: wow. was that luck or what? |
| 03:34.08 | MoDe2 | error is french :p |
| 03:34.22 | wols | LANG=C <command> then |
| 03:34.25 | nocti | wols: the new fuse says the current kernel 2.6.18 doesn't have the required modules for using it. i need it for ntfs-3g |
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| 03:34.49 | smacnay | Is there anything that can search inside .tar.bz2 files for text? I am trying to look for mail in a backed up archive. |
| 03:34.51 | wols | nocti: that doesn't answer my question |
| 03:34.55 | nocti | wols: well not exactly a .20 but a newer one |
| 03:34.57 | wols | also where did you get that ntfs-3g from? |
| 03:35.06 | wols | !tell nocti about backports |
| 03:35.07 | nocti | wols: from etch-backports |
| 03:35.18 | wols | same place has newer kernels too |
| 03:35.54 | Kage`Laptop | DeZ_666 |
| 03:35.55 | Kage`Laptop | [kage@konjou ~]$ su |
| 03:35.55 | Kage`Laptop | Password: |
| 03:35.55 | Kage`Laptop | [root@konjou /home/kage]# |
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| 03:35.58 | Kage`Laptop | Ack |
| 03:36.03 | Kage`Laptop | Ohhh, thank God... |
| 03:36.18 | MoDe2 | wols: http://paste.debian.net/43548 |
| 03:36.31 | Kage`Laptop | DeZ_666 or wols, good call on the emergency panel, whichever one of you. Thanks. |
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| 03:37.35 | nocti | wols: should i get the linux-kernel-headers or the linux-image? thx |
| 03:38.04 | smacnay | nocti: you need the image and the headers if you are compiling in third-party modules (I believe) |
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| 03:38.52 | nocti | im just not sure what pkg to install |
| 03:38.53 | nocti | sorry |
| 03:39.10 | wols | MoDe2: seems you need a gcc 3.3 |
| 03:39.59 | wols | nocti: backports has kernel 2.6.22 |
| 03:40.30 | MoDe2 | ok i will try |
| 03:40.52 | nocti | wols: im just not sure of the actual pkg name to install. there's alot of kernel* stuff in the search. |
| 03:41.09 | MoDe2 | i do the command: ln -sf g++-3.3 g++ ?? |
| 03:41.28 | wols | MoDe2: not until you have a g++-3.3 installed |
| 03:41.48 | wols | sarge or woody might have one |
| 03:42.07 | MoDe2 | im on etch |
| 03:42.12 | MoDe2 | ha ok |
| 03:42.39 | wols | nocti: dpkg -l |grep kernel |
| 03:43.03 | abrotman | !info g++ oldstable |
| 03:43.07 | dpkg | g++: (The GNU C++ compiler), section devel, is standard. Version: 4:3.3.5-3 (sarge), Packaged size: 1 kB, Installed size: 8 kB |
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| 03:43.59 | nocti | wols: so i need the linux-image-* right? :) thank you |
| 03:44.08 | MoDe2 | same error again wols |
| 03:44.53 | multi_io | MoDe2: you did the ln -sf g++-3.3 g++ ? |
| 03:44.56 | nocti | wols: this one sufficient enough? linux-image-2.6.22-3-486 |
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| 03:45.31 | DawnLight | nocti: wols: ntfs-3g works for me with the etch kernel |
| 03:45.48 | dotz | hi why is it that i have such a long directory? :/usr/X11R6/bin/X11/X11/X11/X11/X11/X11/X11/X11/X11/X11/X11/X11/X11/X11/X11/X11/X11/X11/X11/X11/X11/X11/X11/X11/X11/X11/X11/X11/X11/X11/X11/X11/X11/X11/X11/X11/X11/X11/X11# |
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| 03:46.09 | dotz | what is that? how did i get such thing..haha |
| 03:46.10 | DawnLight | dotz: sid? |
| 03:46.23 | dotz | what's sid? |
| 03:46.28 | nocti | DawnLight: yes it does work but it gave me a creepy warning about some risk of not having a kernel module that supports the new libfuse2 |
| 03:46.32 | DawnLight | unstable |
| 03:46.39 | abrotman | dotz: dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1 .. what does it say ? |
| 03:47.01 | dotz | ii libc6 2.3.6.ds1-13etch2 GNU C Library: Shared libraries |
| 03:47.07 | dotz | sorry, once only |
| 03:47.34 | dotz | my kernel is 2.6.22-3-686 |
| 03:47.36 | DawnLight | dotz: did you install a video card driver? |
| 03:47.53 | abrotman | dotz: that kernel isn't in etch |
| 03:48.06 | dotz | DawnLight: its a onboard 06:02.0 VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc Rage XL (rev 27) .. the etch installation just went through it |
| 03:48.09 | Kage`Laptop | I need "libgtk-1.2.so.0" on Debian 3.0, what compat do I need for it? |
| 03:48.16 | dotz | i mean.. i didn't do anything for video setup.. |
| 03:48.32 | dotz | abrotman: yea i upgraded it for it to detect my 3ware raid card... |
| 03:48.48 | dotz | abrotman: was using 2.6.18-4-686 |
| 03:49.46 | abrotman | and is there anything in that final directory? |
| 03:50.05 | dotz | is this related to my graphics drivers? |
| 03:50.22 | dotz | ok i pastebin |
| 03:50.24 | dotz | !paste |
| 03:50.24 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 3 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://channels.debian.net/paste/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. |
| 03:50.34 | dondelelcaro | dotz: uh... did you kind of not notice that /usr/bin/X11 is a symlink to /usr/bin? |
| 03:51.15 | dotz | abrotman: erm..every sub X11 directory have the same content |
| 03:51.18 | dotz | its not empty |
| 03:51.27 | abrotman | dotz: i think dondelelcaro solved your problem |
| 03:51.40 | multi_io | dotz: yeah, that's because they're all the same directory |
| 03:51.55 | dotz | ok *scratch head* |
| 03:52.27 | dotz | lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 1 2007-11-26 16:56 X11 -> . |
| 03:52.38 | multi_io | right |
| 03:52.39 | dotz | that's my /usr/bin/X11 hmm is it wrong? |
| 03:52.46 | dondelelcaro | no, it's correct. |
| 03:53.30 | dotz | ok so can i delete /usr/X11R6/bin/X11/X11 etc ? |
| 03:53.37 | dotz | and all the sub directories.. |
| 03:53.57 | multi_io | no! |
| 03:54.01 | gravity | gyah |
| 03:56.06 | dotz | abrotman: erm i still don't get it..if /usr/bin/X11 is symlink to /usr/bin , how is it related to /usr/X11R6/bin/X11 ? |
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| 03:56.35 | abrotman | you didn't ask about that? |
| 03:57.08 | crn | he did |
| 03:57.17 | dotz | i asked about how did i get /usr/X11R6/bin/X11/X11/X11/X11/X11/X11/X11/X11/X11/X11/X11/X11/X11/X11/X11/X11/X11/X11/X11/X11/X11/X11/X11/X11/X11/X11/X11/X11/X11/X11/X11/X11/X11/X11/X11/X11/X11/X11/X11 |
| 03:57.33 | multi_io | dotz: it's not, that's another symlink |
| 03:58.04 | multi_io | well, /usr/X11R6/bin is symlinked to /usr/bin though |
| 03:58.21 | gravity | So what's wrong with that? |
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| 03:58.25 | multi_io | so /usr/X11R6/bin/X11 is also the same as /usr/bin/X11 |
| 03:58.34 | abrotman | dotz: ls -l /usr/X11R6/bin/ |
| 03:58.41 | gravity | multi_io: Some programs expect that the path /usr/X11R6/bin/X11 actually exist |
| 03:58.52 | gravity | multi_io: That's why we went to all the trouble to make it a symlink. And believe me, it was a lot of trouble |
| 03:59.00 | multi_io | nothing. It was all done so various problems find their file where they expect them to be |
| 03:59.26 | multi_io | s/problems/programs/ :-P |
| 03:59.42 | dotz | abrotman: quite a list of files.. u want it in pastebin? |
| 03:59.50 | abrotman | no |
| 03:59.57 | abrotman | erm .. sorry |
| 04:00.01 | abrotman | ls -l /usr/X11R6/ |
| 04:00.16 | dotz | ls -l /usr/X11R6/ --> drwxr-xr-x 3 root root 20480 2007-11-26 04:54 bin |
| 04:00.22 | dotz | not symlink~~~ |
| 04:00.36 | gravity | Right |
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| 04:00.54 | gravity | We don't have anywhere sane to symlink /usr/X11R6 to |
| 04:00.56 | multi_io | hm, whatever |
| 04:00.58 | gravity | So we don't do it |
| 04:01.08 | gravity | /usr/X11R6/bin symlinks to /usr/bin though |
| 04:01.15 | gravity | Yay FHS-compliance |
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| 04:02.01 | flipout | anyone every served an intranet using drupal via AD authentication? |
| 04:02.06 | dalias | fsck the fhs |
| 04:02.12 | dalias | stupid redhat specs |
| 04:02.29 | gravity | um |
| 04:02.44 | kgoetz | fhs != redhat... lsb = rdhat... i thought? |
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| 04:03.22 | gravity | lsb isn't even really redhat, but lsb hearts redhat longtime |
| 04:03.23 | dotz | ok so do u all mean that its ok i get so many sub-directories of the same thing? |
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| 04:04.27 | gravity | dotz: If you mean /usr/bin/X11, then yes. /usr/bin/X11 just symlinks to /usr/bin |
| 04:04.44 | wols | dotz: which means it's a circular symlink |
| 04:04.52 | gravity | right |
| 04:05.01 | kgoetz | gravity: yeah. true. but i think its close enough that i can bundle them ;) |
| 04:05.03 | gravity | Again, some things expect it to be there, so we provide it |
| 04:05.33 | dotz | do u realise i'm talking about /usr/X11R6/bin/X11 ? |
| 04:05.44 | wols | wine does a similar thing in your ~. plays hell with windows software when you search your ~ with it |
| 04:06.12 | gravity | dotz: Same thing. /usr/X11R6/bin is a symlink to /usr/bin. /usr/bin/X11 is also a symlink to /usr/bin. So if you trace the path, you're just going in circles at a certain point |
| 04:06.35 | flipout | gravity is correct. |
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| 04:09.14 | dotz | didn't i just said /usr/X11R5/bin is not a symlink but a directory? |
| 04:09.26 | dotz | <dotz> ls -l /usr/X11R6/ --> drwxr-xr-x 3 root root 20480 2007-11-26 04:54 bin |
| 04:09.43 | gravity | dotz: /usr/X11R6 is different from /usr/X11R6/bin |
| 04:09.44 | flamesrock | hey guys... I'm just wondering how large my swap should be? I have 4gigs of RAM and I might like to hibernate the computer |
| 04:10.15 | flipout | some say to double your ram capacity for swap |
| 04:10.18 | dondelelcaro | flamesrock: at least as big as ram then. |
| 04:10.28 | flipout | but, in your case, its redundant |
| 04:10.35 | dondelelcaro | flamesrock: how much bigger really depends on what you're doing |
| 04:10.43 | flamesrock | ahh I see |
| 04:10.47 | NiLon | how about dynamic swap? |
| 04:10.55 | flamesrock | sounds complicated |
| 04:11.03 | flipout | not really flamesrock. |
| 04:11.29 | flipout | what will your box be acomplishing? if you don't mind me asking. |
| 04:11.33 | dondelelcaro | flamesrock: basically, start with a swap partition that is the size of your ram. If you need more, create swap files. |
| 04:12.24 | dotz | gravity: /usr/X11R6/bin is not a symlink |
| 04:12.25 | flamesrock | basic stuff really, maybe a little UT3 |
| 04:12.31 | dondelelcaro | dotz: uh... it should be |
| 04:12.33 | flamesrock | some programming |
| 04:12.41 | gravity | dotz: the line you pasted was for /usr/X11R6 |
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| 04:12.44 | dondelelcaro | flamesrock: well, odds are you probably won't even use the swap that you've got. |
| 04:13.05 | dondelelcaro | flamesrock: so I'd just start with that, and later, if you need more, add it. |
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| 04:13.12 | flipout | flamesrock: i agree with dondelelcaro |
| 04:13.25 | flamesrock | 4gigs? |
| 04:14.05 | flamesrock | or 0 swap? |
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| 04:15.03 | dotz | gravity: ... if u want to check /usr/X11R6/bin if its a link or directory, u have to ls -l /usr/X11R6 to see its content.. not ls -l /usr/X11R6/bin as it will list what's inside |
| 04:15.14 | dotz | why do u keep saying its a symlink when its not |
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| 04:15.41 | flipout | flamesrock: the general idea is half your physical ram and apply that to your swap space |
| 04:15.47 | Skept | Hi, I have 4GB ram in my system. Bios shows 4 too. But /proc/meminfo displays it as 2.5 GB. How do I fix it? |
| 04:15.52 | MoDe2 | thanks for your help guys. Bye :p |
| 04:15.58 | flipout | once you get into 4gb of memory, its questionable as to whether you even apply swap |
| 04:16.23 | crn | flamesrock, maybe you need 200 MB. No more |
| 04:16.23 | gravity | dotz: Right, sorry. I see what you're doing now. How did you install? |
| 04:16.45 | lontra | i have an ntfs partition on this laptop and i want to allow my regular user to be able to mount/umount the partition via nautilus ... what do i have to do? currently i have ntfs-3g installed and have /etc/fstab set up so that it automounts on boot but i'd rather just allow the regular user to be able to double click the icon in nautilus to mount it |
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| 04:16.56 | gravity | dotz: x11-common shouldn't install at all if it can't set up the /usr/X11R6/bin symlink |
| 04:16.59 | Skept | flipout: I didnt understand |
| 04:17.08 | gravity | dotz: If you're running pre-etch though, it shouldn't be a symlink |
| 04:17.09 | Skept | Oh sorry |
| 04:17.21 | flipout | Skept: sorry I was addressing flamesrock. |
| 04:17.21 | dotz | gravity: ic..haha glad u get what i mean now! |
| 04:17.26 | Guerin | Skept: run a kernel with himem support |
| 04:17.38 | wols | Skept: are you running i386 or amd64? |
| 04:17.46 | wols | Skept: uname -a |
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| 04:18.02 | flamesrock | tx guys, I'll put 200MB for now, see how that works |
| 04:18.05 | flamesrock | tx for the help guys |
| 04:18.12 | flipout | flamesrock: good luck |
| 04:18.13 | Skept | Guerin: Is himem similar to 64 gb support you enable in kernel config? |
| 04:18.14 | JB318 | My laptop has etch installed. When I boot with my PCMCIA Ethernet card, it's getting an IPv6 address and no IPv4 address, and my desktop can't reach it. How do I make it get an IPv4 address via DHCP? (I've changed routers, and it used to work OK with the old one.) |
| 04:18.25 | Skept | wols: Its a intel xeon |
| 04:18.28 | Nyle | flamesrock: you don't have to make a swap partition if you don't want |
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| 04:18.33 | wols | Skept: answer my question |
| 04:18.38 | Nyle | flamesrock: if you think you need swap you can always create a swap file later on |
| 04:19.24 | Nyle | I have 2gb ram and hardly any swap use |
| 04:19.35 | multi_io | lontra: for users to be able to mount /mnt/yourdrive , you'd have to put "user" into the options list of the corresponding line in fstab |
| 04:19.38 | Guerin | http://xkcd.com/349/ # my job at the moment |
| 04:19.54 | multi_io | lontra: don't if Nautilus honors that too |
| 04:20.02 | multi_io | *don't know |
| 04:20.19 | lontra | multi_io: i have this ... /dev/sda1 /mnt/windows ntfs-3g umask=0,nls=utf8 0 0 |
| 04:20.21 | JB318 | How do I disable IPv6 in etch? |
| 04:20.29 | lontra | multi_io: what would i add if my user is lontra? |
| 04:20.46 | wols | !ntfsrw |
| 04:20.46 | dpkg | i guess ntfs-3g is a user-space NTFS driver with write support and good performance. http://www.ntfs-3g.org/. Available in Lenny, but not for Etch except as a backport: see the package page at http://packages.debian.org/etch-backports/ntfs-3g, backport instructions at http://www.backports.org/. |
| 04:20.55 | wols | :( |
| 04:20.59 | wols | !vfatrw |
| 04:20.59 | dpkg | To get write access to a vfat partition when mounting it with fstab, use the line "/dev/partition /mount/point vfat defaults,uid=USERID,gid=GROUPID,umask=002 0 0" in /etc/fstab. umask=002 will make the partition rwxrwxr-x, while umask=022 will make it rwxr-xr-x. Get your user/group ids with the command "id" |
| 04:21.00 | flamesrock | Nyle: I've always created a swap before, but never had this much RAM |
| 04:21.03 | flamesrock | that's why it's confusing |
| 04:21.13 | flamesrock | but 256MB should be cool |
| 04:21.27 | Nyle | swap is ram you wish you had |
| 04:21.30 | Nyle | seems like you have plenty |
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| 04:22.31 | flamesrock | shit I heard a popping sound from my computer |
| 04:22.36 | flamesrock | lets pretend that didn't happen |
| 04:22.40 | flipout | ouch |
| 04:22.51 | DawnLight | did you put a corn kernel there? |
| 04:22.55 | flamesrock | lol |
| 04:22.57 | flipout | hehe :) |
| 04:23.26 | flamesrock | maybe I just moved something |
| 04:23.31 | flamesrock | but it seems to be running fine |
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| 04:23.44 | flamesrock | by the way, where is the CPU temp stored? |
| 04:24.01 | wols | inside the cpu, where else? |
| 04:24.01 | flipout | so...anyone every serve an intranet using drupal with AD authentication? |
| 04:24.18 | wols | !anyone |
| 04:24.18 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone uses <someprogram>. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use <someprogram>?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls> |
| 04:24.28 | wols | and asking about AD is I guess the wrong channel here |
| 04:25.09 | flipout | not so wols, many questions like this are asked in debian forums with no flame. It is a valid question. |
| 04:25.41 | wols | the chanc of getting answers is MUCH higher in a windows or samba channel |
| 04:25.58 | Caelum | is it normal to have a dead zone on one of your monitors with xinerama if the two monitors have mismatching resolutions? |
| 04:26.12 | flipout | your telling me that an AD channel will know how to configure a drupal (debian based) install using AD...? |
| 04:26.41 | sparr__ | how can i let users other than root start the X server, without reconfiguring the xserver package? |
| 04:26.48 | wols | I tell you that such a channel knows a lot more about to connect to AD than #debian |
| 04:27.06 | \amethyst | flipout: maybe a drupal channel? |
| 04:27.11 | wols | streuner: your users can't simply run "startx"? |
| 04:27.23 | Guerin | flipout: Atomise the problem. Isolate the different bits. Ask in the respective channels. |
| 04:27.35 | flipout | Possibly, amethyst, but I find #debian a bit more intellectual than an #AD channel... Sorry for the question. |
| 04:27.42 | Guerin | ask in #drupal, #ad and #debian for the respective problems |
| 04:27.56 | wols | sparr__: ^^ |
| 04:28.01 | abrotman | sparr__: use starx ? |
| 04:28.22 | DawnLight | !tell flipout about drupal |
| 04:29.01 | DawnLight | who thought it was bright to package drupal |
| 04:29.57 | wols | why not? others are packaged too |
| 04:30.15 | wols | e.g. I use phpmyadmin and squirrelmail. what's different for drupal? |
| 04:30.38 | DawnLight | drupal has a very awkward upgrade procedure |
| 04:30.45 | streuner | wols: heh |
| 04:31.26 | abrotman | COWS! |
| 04:31.31 | DawnLight | perhaps in the future it would be safe to package. now it is a bad idea |
| 04:31.47 | wols | DawnLight: doesn't answer my question. why? |
| 04:32.01 | streuner | MONKEYS! |
| 04:32.03 | DawnLight | awkward upgrade procedure |
| 04:32.07 | abrotman | wtf |
| 04:32.23 | Nyle | streuner: yes we are |
| 04:32.28 | DawnLight | can't be done fully scripted. needs manual operations |
| 04:32.29 | Nyle | yes we are |
| 04:32.48 | abrotman | that's a really dumb reason not to package it |
| 04:33.03 | kie27 | greetings all, just upgraded mysql-server due to a recent security announcement, but it failed when trying to restart server, also manually restarting fails |
| 04:33.42 | wols | kie27: did you check the logs? |
| 04:34.48 | kie27 | yes, couldn't find any of current date, apart from a syslog entry... |
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| 04:35.43 | zoya | hi i installed kernel headers for a custom kenel and now i'm trying to compile a module bu i keep getting scripts/genksyms/genksyms missing |
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| 04:36.04 | zoya | i don have genkyms but i have genksyms.c and .h how would i compile these to get genksyms? |
| 04:36.33 | kie27 | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:36.35 | lontra | i think i'm getting closer to be able to mount/umount my ntfs partition from nautilus ... now it just tells me that i don't have sufficient permission |
| 04:37.22 | zoya | lontra do you have write to ntfs in your kernel? |
| 04:38.06 | lontra | zoya: i can't mount/umount the partition ... i'm not sure of you question ... i have ntfs-3g and fuse installed |
| 04:38.12 | kie27 | the /var/log/mysql.log and mysql.err are size 0 |
| 04:38.30 | zoya | lontra can you mount as root? |
| 04:38.55 | lontra | zoya: yes |
| 04:39.06 | lontra | i'm mounting it to /mn/windows |
| 04:39.11 | lontra | err ... /mnt/windows |
| 04:39.38 | zoya | ontra and you tried chmod -R a+r on /mnt/windows? |
| 04:40.15 | Tramp | kie27: you have /var/log/mysql/ ? |
| 04:40.25 | lontra | zoya: yes |
| 04:40.48 | lontra | zoya: drwxr-xr-x 2 lontra root 4096 2007-11-26 08:33 windows |
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| 04:41.11 | lontra | zoya: and it says i don't have permission to mount /dev/sda1 |
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| 04:41.15 | kie27 | yes |
| 04:41.31 | kie27 | Tramp: yes |
| 04:41.36 | lontra | zoya: this is my /etc/fstab entry ... /dev/sda1 /mnt/windows ntfs-3g defaults,user,noauto,uid=1000,gid=1000,umask=0,nls=utf8 0 0 |
| 04:41.45 | Tramp | kie27: I have this ".index" and it is nothing but a ls of the dir. |
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| 04:42.11 | zoya | so does this mount at boot? |
| 04:42.19 | zoya | and then you can't access as user lontra? |
| 04:42.23 | lontra | zoya: it was ... but then i set it to noauto |
| 04:42.34 | lontra | zoya: no i can't access as user lontra .. only as root |
| 04:42.43 | lontra | zoya: i could before i put the noauto in it |
| 04:43.11 | zoya | why do you need the noauto? |
| 04:43.21 | lontra | zoya: i want to be able to mount/umount whenever i want by just clicking on the icon ... i don't want my ntfs partition always showing up |
| 04:43.23 | Tramp | kie27: So if the dir is empty, just touch it, otherwise create it as ls >.. and retry |
| 04:43.40 | kie27 | should i try 'ls > mysql-bin.index' and try starting the service again? |
| 04:43.48 | DawnLight | lontra: you need the 'user' option |
| 04:43.57 | kie27 | oops my typing is too slow :) |
| 04:43.59 | lontra | DawnLight: i have it |
| 04:44.08 | Tramp | kie27: yes. Just remove the entry for the file itself from it after creating it (or create it in /tmp and mv) |
| 04:44.26 | lontra | maybe remove defaults? |
| 04:44.40 | Tramp | kie27: and adjust permissions/ownership (should be like the other files in the dir) |
| 04:45.15 | sparr__ | wols: no, because i chose to only allow root to start the X server for security reasons when i was configuring the X packages |
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| 04:46.48 | dondelelcaro | sparr__: so change that, or use a DM that allows users to restart it, or allow zapping by users. |
| 04:47.45 | sparr__ | dondelelcaro: dpkg-reconfigure'ing the xserver is a real PITA since it will zap all sorts of unrelated config settings |
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| 04:48.11 | sparr__ | i need to find out exactly what this particular setting changes, so i can fix it manually |
| 04:48.24 | dondelelcaro | sparr__: well, you don't *have* to dpkg-reconfigure, you can just edit /etc/X11/Xwrapper.config |
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| 04:49.07 | dondelelcaro | sparr__: your original question didn't make it clear to me that it was just dpkg-reconfigure that you were trying to avoid, not changing the setting. |
| 04:49.32 | sparr__ | dondelelcaro: ive got allowed_users=console in that config file |
| 04:50.03 | kie27 | Tramp: ok, just looking in mysql directory, mysql-bin.index already exists, and contents seem ok. However a while ago (several months) i made the symlink /var/log/mysql -> /home/log/mysql/ as i was running out of disk space on this partition, could this be affecting things? |
| 04:50.38 | dondelelcaro | sparr__: then any user who is logged onto a VTTY can start the X server |
| 04:50.59 | dondelelcaro | sparr__: man Xwrapper.config; for details |
| 04:51.36 | Tramp | kie27: hmm. no idea. but certainly it "could" . |
| 04:52.15 | kie27 | Tramp: ok i will try moving that directory back to the right partition and try starting the server again to see if it makes any difference |
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| 04:54.46 | mikefoo | Im trying to setup zone transfer from one nameserver to another, anyone have an idea how I would do so? |
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| 04:55.15 | acu | I have a windows driver 64 (sncamd.sys) for Chicony webcam (used in HP laptops) - how can I install it in Linux ? |
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| 04:56.10 | kie27 | no difference |
| 04:56.33 | Prasanna | Where can I get good documentation for Debian-Installer loader ? |
| 04:56.57 | wols | Prasanna: what debian installer loader? syslinux? |
| 04:57.10 | wols | acu: you cannot |
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| 04:58.01 | Tramp | kie27: If you start /usr/bin/mysqld_safe by hand, is there any output? |
| 04:58.29 | Prasanna | wols: How to install debian from windows ? that one i want |
| 04:58.42 | wols | Prasanna: I told you before and it won't change. |
| 04:58.56 | wols | goodbye-microsoft is the only choice you have |
| 04:59.09 | Prasanna | wols: I read that one i didnt clear idea |
| 04:59.27 | wols | Prasanna: I told you before to use #debianindia when you don't understand english very well |
| 04:59.28 | Prasanna | wols: I have seen the source also |
| 04:59.34 | wols | I also explained you before what it does |
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| 05:01.14 | acu | Prasanna: what is the reason you want to install debian from windows? - you can boot with knoppix - shrink the windows partition - create a new partition on the HDD and install Debian |
| 05:01.39 | acu | Prasanna: this way you can boot either in Windows or Debian |
| 05:01.40 | kie27 | Tramp: yes, where should i paste the output? |
| 05:01.47 | Nyle | !debian.exe |
| 05:01.47 | wols | !paste |
| 05:01.47 | dpkg | hmm... debian.exe is the debian-installer loader for win32, which will install Debian GNU/Linux 4.0 (ETCH) as default. `debian.exe` will install grub for NT on C drive, then proceed to download the netboot kernel/initrd.gz from debian.org, and create entries in boot.ini to load grub/menu.lst. Available at http://www.goodbye-microsoft.com - Ask me about installation guide <ig> (/msg dpkg ig). |
| 05:01.47 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 3 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://channels.debian.net/paste/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. |
| 05:01.51 | Nyle | !ig |
| 05:01.52 | dpkg | I heard "ig" is Installation Guide .. see http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/installmanual for Etch 4.0r1 (Stable as of August 15, 2007) .. or see http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/installmanual for now oldstable Sarge (3.1 ... 3.1r5). Lenny is now the new Testing! |
| 05:02.14 | bucky | Prasanna, http://goodbye-microsoft.com/ |
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| 05:03.29 | kie27 | Tramp: http://paste.debian.net/43551 |
| 05:03.44 | acu | guys: if I want to downgrade from Lenny to Etch can I just add etch on the repositories remove Lenny and update everything ? |
| 05:04.15 | phlasphy | how do i get X |
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| 05:04.36 | Tramp | kie27: hmm. And the same error in the log? |
| 05:05.29 | wols | !tell PhilKC about getx org |
| 05:05.41 | PhilKC | :( |
| 05:05.42 | wols | acu: you cannot downgrade |
| 05:05.57 | wols | PhilKC: he quit too fast |
| 05:06.00 | Nyle | Prasanna: hi |
| 05:06.08 | Nyle | Prasanna: hindi bolta hai? |
| 05:06.18 | wols | Nyle: ask him elsewhere please |
| 05:06.23 | PhilKC | wols, I didn't get anything btw, should I have? |
| 05:06.37 | Nyle | wols: where is elsewhere |
| 05:06.40 | Nyle | !in |
| 05:06.40 | dpkg | somebody said in was India, or #debianindia |
| 05:06.43 | wols | but it would be great if you could help him in #debianindia. his english is bad |
| 05:06.44 | Nyle | hm |
| 05:07.06 | kie27 | Tramp: http://paste.debian.net/43552 |
| 05:07.07 | Rusty1 | kie27: http://dev.mysql.com/doc/refman/5.0/en/making-trace-files.html dunno |
| 05:07.32 | Nyle | Prasanna: i can help you in hindi or Urdu if you want, in #debianindia |
| 05:08.10 | simonrvn | nice, you know both of those? cool |
| 05:08.16 | Nyle | I know more than that |
| 05:08.18 | Nyle | :) |
| 05:08.26 | simonrvn | *thumbs up* |
| 05:08.30 | Nyle | :) |
| 05:08.41 | Nyle | in fact |
| 05:08.50 | Nyle | add Punjabi/Serayeki to it as well |
| 05:08.58 | simonrvn | :) |
| 05:09.08 | bucky | i'm illiterate in three languages |
| 05:09.23 | Tramp | kie27: can you pastebin a "ls -al /var/log/mysql" please? |
| 05:09.42 | simonrvn | i know how to say thank you in about 10 languages, does that count? :P |
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| 05:09.48 | Nyle | simonrvn: my other nickname, in punjabi is, Jahaz |
| 05:10.00 | simonrvn | heh cool |
| 05:10.19 | Nyle | jahaz means aircraft, you know like they go over yoru head mostly when you're stoned |
| 05:10.22 | Nyle | anyway |
| 05:10.25 | Nyle | heh |
| 05:10.36 | simonrvn | hehe |
| 05:10.58 | Nyle | simonrvn: domo, merci, thanks, shukriya, dhannewaad, maherbani, marhaba, danke |
| 05:11.05 | Nyle | i think i can squeeze in two more |
| 05:11.51 | dwu | I think you want "arigato" instead of just "domo". "domo arigato" works, though. |
| 05:11.54 | Nyle | i can't think anymore |
| 05:11.56 | kie27 | ok problem fixed! solution was to rerun "apt-get upgrade" but without the symlink for the log files. I appreciate the help, and am relieved that this is working again. Thanks Tramp and Rustyl. |
| 05:11.56 | Nyle | of* |
| 05:12.21 | Tramp | kie27: np. |
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| 05:12.43 | Sisco | can I install/run debian from a USB 2.0 flash drive? if so how |
| 05:12.49 | Nyle | simonrvn: yes it does count, sorta |
| 05:12.57 | Nyle | Sisco: hm |
| 05:13.01 | wols | Sisco: you can and there are vairous howtos for it out there |
| 05:13.10 | wols | Sisco: including int he installer guide |
| 05:13.13 | Sisco | link me to the easist one? |
| 05:13.17 | Sisco | ;o |
| 05:13.23 | wols | read the debian install guide |
| 05:13.49 | Nyle | basically you put grub on your thingy, and then also put the debian iso and the hd media installer kernel/initrd on it too and boot it |
| 05:13.51 | simonrvn | merci, thank you, welal'in, meegwetch, danke, danke shein, (don't remember the inuktitut one), (and the japanese one you covered already) |
| 05:13.52 | Nyle | maybe |
| 05:13.54 | Nyle | ? |
| 05:14.17 | wols | Sisco: danke shein is dutch? |
| 05:14.28 | simonrvn | yeh |
| 05:14.36 | simonrvn | danke is german |
| 05:14.43 | wols | Sisco: you forgot merci |
| 05:14.57 | simonrvn | ^^^, and fix your tab complete ;) |
| 05:14.57 | wols | Sisco: dankeschn. note the similarity with dutch |
| 05:14.59 | Nyle | simonrvn: well I did, in order, the ones you proabbly don't know, urdu, hindi, punjabi, arabic, before danke |
| 05:15.13 | wols | simonrvn: you know better than to ask by now :P |
| 05:15.50 | Nyle | oh |
| 05:15.52 | Nyle | gracias |
| 05:15.57 | Nyle | i forgot that one |
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| 05:16.09 | simonrvn | cool, mine french, english, mi'kmaq, objibwe/algonquin, german, dutch, ..., ..., oh yeh gracias (spanish) |
| 05:16.10 | Nyle | and italian too, gracie or soemthing |
| 05:16.38 | Nyle | like gracias, and then gratzee howeve ryou spell it |
| 05:16.40 | simonrvn | wols: hehe |
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| 05:16.52 | dwu | "grazie". |
| 05:17.06 | epsilon | anyone running box with multiple IPv4? Is it possible to tell the applications which IP to take, for example for a webbroser or IRC-Client? |
| 05:17.09 | simonrvn | dwu: what are yours from? |
| 05:17.18 | dwu | simonrvn: Mandarin and Hokkien. |
| 05:17.23 | simonrvn | cool |
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| 05:17.46 | indraveni | hi all |
| 05:17.48 | indraveni | good morning |
| 05:17.49 | Nyle | hi |
| 05:17.51 | dwu | Oh, since we're being multicultural, "terima kasih" (Malay). |
| 05:18.04 | simonrvn | we have a poster at the friendship centre that lists the word love in about 50 languages, in their native characters |
| 05:18.14 | indraveni | i am using debmirror command and downloading the debian repo onto my local system |
| 05:18.36 | indraveni | i want to know whether there a procedure to download the repo for only gnome |
| 05:18.38 | indraveni | dekstop |
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| 05:19.14 | indraveni | i know to download component wise like main, non-free component, but is there a way to download only gnome dektop related packages |
| 05:19.23 | simonrvn | gnome-desktop-environment |
| 05:19.32 | simonrvn | by choosing them |
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| 05:20.42 | simonrvn | use aptitude, you can easily see what's in the gnome section |
| 05:20.58 | Maveric1 | can someone help me with this please? http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/linux-networking-3/wired-network-problem-in-ubuntu-gusty-602611/ |
| 05:21.16 | indraveni | simonrvn, yes, but how can i download only that section ? |
| 05:21.42 | simonrvn | .:00:19:32:. <simonrvn> by choosing them |
| 05:22.13 | indraveni | sorry, i couldn't get you |
| 05:22.26 | bucky | apt-get install gnome-desktop-environment |
| 05:22.28 | indraveni | what is the syntax for this to use in my debmirror command |
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| 05:22.47 | indraveni | i want to download the repo, but not to install |
| 05:23.09 | sparr__ | dondelelcaro: how can i allow local GUI users to start X? |
| 05:23.18 | simonrvn | oh. misunderstood you. dunno, try the man page, i don't know |
| 05:23.40 | bucky | indraveni, you want to put another repo in /etc/apt/sources.list ? |
| 05:23.51 | indraveni | bucky, no |
| 05:23.58 | indraveni | bucky, i want to download the mirror |
| 05:24.08 | indraveni | debian mirroring for gnome desktop only |
| 05:25.18 | Blazeix | Hi I just installed postfix out of the repos, and I haven't changed a thing. As apt-get was configuring postfix, it ran into a "permission denied" error while running the "newaliases" command. Has anyone encountered this error before? |
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| 05:25.52 | Blazeix | The error was "postalias: fatal: open database /etc/aliases.db: Permission denied." |
| 05:26.08 | bucky | indraveni, apt-mirror i guess http://www.howtoforge.com/local_debian_ubuntu_mirror |
| 05:26.08 | phlasphy | how do i open the testing repo's |
| 05:26.17 | Maveric1 | I am on a wired network using a PPPoE connection. The problem I have, is that ubuntu (gusty) configures all my LAN applications (Games, Messengers, etc.) to use my ppp0 address, and not my eth0 address. Hence, the other LAN boxes take a lot of time to show up. If I try doing a ping sweep with nmap, I can see them up. Can you help me please? |
| 05:26.56 | dwu | #ubuntu ? |
| 05:27.02 | phlasphy | no debian |
| 05:27.11 | dwu | Not you, phlasphy. |
| 05:27.14 | phlasphy | lol |
| 05:27.16 | phlasphy | ok |
| 05:27.37 | bucky | phlasphy, you want to upgrade to testing? |
| 05:27.47 | Maveric1 | dwu: tried, getting no help there :( |
| 05:27.49 | phlasphy | well i want to get a package in the testing repo |
| 05:28.23 | dryrot | is there a reiserfs channel? |
| 05:28.23 | dwu | Maveric1: Doesn't mean you'll get help here. Ubuntu isn't Debian. Sorry. *shrug* |
| 05:28.24 | dryrot | <PROTECTED> |
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| 05:29.04 | Maveric1 | dwu: ok, i came here because ubuntu was based on debian....thanks anyways :( |
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| 05:29.31 | Nyle | hat the fuck: |
| 05:29.44 | Nyle | dryrot: stop smoking crack :) |
| 05:29.49 | motu | i have a soft lockup problem on my web server, the server hangs a few seconds after getting to the login prompt. anyone give me some hints on what i should be looking for? |
| 05:30.02 | phlasphy | how do i get packages from the testing repo? |
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| 05:30.07 | jimmybgood | what server are the actual security patches stored on? |
| 05:30.17 | bucky | phlasphy, it's not a real good idea to run mixed packages but if you have to see section 3.8 How to keep a mixed system |
| 05:30.17 | bucky | http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/apt-howto/ch-apt-get.en.html |
| 05:30.27 | Nyle | security.debian.org |
| 05:30.30 | Nyle | !security |
| 05:30.30 | dpkg | Put "deb http://security.debian.org stable/updates main contrib non-free" in your /etc/apt/sources.list file to keep up-to-date on security updates in stable. Run "aptitude update" and "aptitude upgrade", or ask me about <testing security> or <unstable security> |
| 05:30.33 | wols | phlasphy: why do you want them? |
| 05:30.57 | wols | phlasphy: chances are, you don't need any packages from testing |
| 05:31.01 | Nyle | wols: or, "what package do you want?" |
| 05:31.03 | jimmybgood | Nyle: nope - I don't want to bother with the packages - just the relevant patch |
| 05:31.23 | Nyle | jimmybgood: then you'll have to download the source and get the debian specific patches |
| 05:31.24 | wols | Nyle: he went away without waiting for answers the first time. I'm sure he can do this again |
| 05:31.24 | phlasphy | i want to get the package finch |
| 05:31.34 | Nyle | wols: i have joins/parts on ignore :D |
| 05:31.49 | jimmybgood | Nyle: nope I have the path to the patches - just need to find the server |
| 05:31.56 | wols | phlasphy: get or make a backport |
| 05:32.05 | phlasphy | how do i do that? |
| 05:32.13 | Nyle | jimmybgood: then I don't know |
| 05:32.16 | wols | !tell phlasphy about backports |
| 05:32.37 | wols | jimmybgood: download the package but don't install |
| 05:32.39 | Nyle | all i can tell you is that afaik source packages contain debian specific patches for software |
| 05:33.03 | Nyle | there is no seperate repository of just the patches |
| 05:33.08 | Nyle | afaik anyway |
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| 05:33.26 | simonrvn | the patches come with the source package |
| 05:33.40 | simonrvn | in the diff |
| 05:33.44 | Nyle | simonrvn: you just said what i said only rearranged |
| 05:33.46 | Nyle | heh |
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| 05:34.11 | Nyle | !source |
| 05:34.11 | dpkg | To work with Debian source packages, cd to a location with free space. as root: 'aptitude install build-essential fakeroot devscripts' and 'apt-get build-dep {packagename}'. as any user: 'apt-get source {packagename}', cd into the directory it creates, edit 'debian/rules' to suit, run 'debuild -us -uc'. |
| 05:34.30 | Nyle | hm |
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| 05:34.45 | Nyle | dpkg: good bot |
| 05:34.46 | dpkg | :), Nyle |
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| 05:35.22 | jimmybgood | Nyle: no means no - i ain't gonna do it. eventually i'll find the server - i live my life my way. that's what free is about |
| 05:35.50 | Nyle | i'm not holding a gun to your head ya a-hole |
| 05:36.05 | Nyle | do what you want |
| 05:36.07 | simonrvn | *there is no separate server for 'the patches'* |
| 05:36.29 | extor | everytime I get used to a version of windows and start liking it BilL Gates comes up with a new and confusing upgrade and all the old controls are renamed and hidden off |
| 05:36.37 | dwu | "I'll let you do what you want, but be abusive at you first". |
| 05:36.47 | jimmybgood | simonrvn: i didn't say it was seperate, but they are on a server - naked and waiting |
| 05:36.51 | simonrvn | you can live life your way all you want, but that isn't going to make that server exist 'just because' |
| 05:36.56 | Nyle | extor: complain in #windows |
| 05:37.04 | Nyle | jimmybgood: which sever? |
| 05:37.07 | Nyle | please enlighten us |
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| 05:37.21 | jimmybgood | Nyle: i don't know. i have the path, though |
| 05:37.24 | Nyle | s/ser/ser. |
| 05:37.24 | simonrvn | dwu: yeh, really |
| 05:37.27 | Nyle | what path |
| 05:37.29 | Nyle | damn keyaboard |
| 05:37.34 | Nyle | fsck |
| 05:37.43 | jimmybgood | debian/patches/security* |
| 05:37.47 | dwu | simonrvn: Well, he's -your- mate :) He hates me and 'brot :) |
| 05:37.57 | Nyle | oh boy |
| 05:38.08 | simonrvn | dwu: eh? not talking about Nyle |
| 05:38.16 | Nyle | i give up |
| 05:38.16 | dwu | simonrvn: Oh, *shrug* then. |
| 05:38.36 | simonrvn | enjoy |
| 05:38.40 | dwu | simonrvn: Not entirely sure what you were agreeing with there, then. |
| 05:38.46 | Nyle | wow |
| 05:38.49 | Nyle | this aint choc chip |
| 05:38.51 | Nyle | this is choc chunk |
| 05:38.53 | simonrvn | misunderstood you |
| 05:39.17 | dwu | There's been exactly one case of abusive in the last... eh, half an hour. |
| 05:39.18 | Nyle | no i just bought a giant choc chip cookie but the chips are soo huge its like chunks |
| 05:39.22 | Nyle | good stuff |
| 05:39.25 | simonrvn | brb |
| 05:39.36 | bucky | phlasphy, make sure you satisfiy all the dependacies http://packages.debian.org/lenny/finch and dl the tar.gz .dsc and .diff files and build it the debian way |
| 05:39.58 | Nyle | heh |
| 05:40.00 | phlasphy | ok |
| 05:40.08 | xoz | dwu: can i pm you? |
| 05:40.12 | dwu | xoz: by all means. |
| 05:40.20 | bucky | phlasphy, if you don't get the deps right then this happens |
| 05:40.21 | bucky | http://pidgin.im/pipermail/tracker/2007-October/017806.html |
| 05:41.23 | simonrvn | jimmybgood: that's 3 directories on some random / imaginary server. |
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| 05:41.36 | dwu | pidgin, finch, dove, sparrah! |
| 05:41.54 | bucky | turkey vulture |
| 05:42.02 | jimmybgood | simonrvn: could be higher level directories, too |
| 05:42.44 | bucky | so how do you get different app to use different network devices on the same computer? |
| 05:43.04 | simonrvn | there ya go, now go fetch the patches ;p |
| 05:43.47 | jimmybgood | simonrvn: aah, but you don't have the credibility of the source that gave me the directories |
| 05:44.06 | simonrvn | jimmybgood: like people have said here, they are in the diff. you can't fetch just the diff via apt-get. you can manually, of course |
| 05:44.29 | simonrvn | jimmybgood: you're sidetracking, and only partly getting the point |
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| 05:44.53 | jimmybgood | simonrvn: and like i said i'm not going to use apt-get - you aren't getting the point - you don't know what i want |
| 05:44.55 | mikefoo | would "@.domain.com IN A" be a correct wildcard/catchall on bind? |
| 05:45.23 | simonrvn | then do whatever then |
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| 05:46.05 | jimmybgood | simonrvn: thank you, i so need your validation |
| 05:46.34 | simonrvn | no need for the fucking sarcasm |
| 05:47.05 | nareshov | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:47.10 | nareshov | why? |
| 05:47.26 | nareshov | or how do I find out why? |
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| 05:52.13 | simonrvn | jimmybgood: btw, instead of wasting people's time here, do whatever it is you're doing. coming here to dig in your heels for some unknown exercise was best left in your corner of the world. |
| 05:52.31 | bucky | nareshov, which version of linux are you running |
| 05:52.37 | bucky | i guess i |
| 05:52.47 | nareshov | sid |
| 05:53.06 | nareshov | Was trying `aptitude install gnustep` |
| 05:54.07 | jimmybgood | simonrvn: no - you're rude, profane and wasted my time. when someone asks a question either answer it or ignore it instead of trying to tell them what you want them to do |
| 05:54.23 | Nyle | wgat? |
| 05:54.25 | Nyle | what? |
| 05:54.29 | gravity | profane? |
| 05:54.31 | Nyle | jimmybgood: are you out of your mind? |
| 05:54.34 | Nyle | simonrvn++ |
| 05:54.57 | bucky | that happens in sid.. you might have to build the version of libpoppler1 that it wants.. or get get it from expiremental |
| 05:54.57 | bucky | http://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=libpoppler1&searchon=names&suite=all§ion=all |
| 05:55.11 | simonrvn | profane? *rolls eyes* ohnoz!!1 i said 'fuck', i'm going to hell now |
| 05:55.28 | Nyle | simonrvn: you'v read that little bit on how versatile the word fuck is |
| 05:55.30 | Guerin | `fuck' isn't profane; it's obscene |
| 05:55.39 | Guerin | if you'd said `fuck Jesus' it'd be profane |
| 05:55.42 | Nyle | could be used as an adjctive, verb, noun, blah blah |
| 05:55.44 | Guerin | (and obscene) |
| 05:55.55 | Nyle | Guerin: shush |
| 05:56.01 | Guerin | Nyle: i'm just sayin' |
| 05:56.11 | Nyle | yeh |
| 05:56.18 | dwu | Anyways, Guerin++, linguistics. |
| 05:56.19 | Nyle | thats exactly what I am saying |
| 05:56.21 | Nyle | DONT say |
| 05:56.22 | Nyle | lol |
| 05:56.38 | gravity | jimmybgood: The path you gave requires a source package to be unpacked. So you do want the source package at least. You can get that from packages.debian.org |
| 05:56.46 | gravity | jimmybgood: As far as I know that's exactly what you want |
| 05:56.51 | dwu | Hey, a gravity. \o/ |
| 05:57.03 | Nyle | like "really? wow. really? you don't say. Wow, you don't say." hey man, what did he say? "he didnt' say" |
| 05:57.06 | Nyle | nm |
| 05:57.19 | simonrvn | dwu: and i wasn't calling jimmybgood fucking, i was referring to his sarcasm. |
| 05:57.22 | gravity | jimmybgood: I don't believe that the security team keeps their patches in a public revision control or anything where you could download them, but depending on the package that might be possible |
| 05:57.29 | dwu | simonrvn: Yes, I -know-, thank you. |
| 05:57.36 | simonrvn | ok :) |
| 05:57.47 | dwu | simonrvn: I was pointing out jimmybgood's clear double standards for profane/obscene language. |
| 05:57.51 | dwu | In a word: |
| 05:57.54 | simonrvn | Nyle: of course, i even have the flash movie of it |
| 05:57.55 | dwu | Fuck being polite. |
| 05:57.58 | bucky | !fuck dwu |
| 05:58.03 | dwu | (Profane or obscene? YOU DECIDE) |
| 05:58.03 | Nyle | nice |
| 05:58.06 | jimmybgood | gravity: see that's a useful answer answer - it's private not publuic |
| 05:58.17 | gravity | um... what? |
| 05:58.20 | Nyle | simonrvn: someone posted on my guitar video on youtue and said i sucked |
| 05:58.20 | Nyle | hehe |
| 05:58.29 | gravity | That was a public answer |
| 05:58.31 | Guerin | gravity: he seems to have a sort of synaethesia |
| 05:58.33 | simonrvn | jimmybgood: one that i already told you - politely |
| 05:58.44 | Nyle | as did I |
| 05:58.46 | jimmybgood | simonrvn: no that's not what you said |
| 05:58.56 | gravity | Yeah, I'm pretty sure what I said is what other people were also referring to |
| 05:58.57 | Nyle | we're not going to go into who said what |
| 05:59.06 | Nyle | end it |
| 05:59.07 | gravity | But anyway, it's the best answer I know of |
| 05:59.11 | simonrvn | jimmybgood: now this is obscene: fuck you, and fuck your attitude :). *plonk* |
| 05:59.24 | gravity | You need the source package, even if you don't want to install said package, that's where the patch would be |
| 05:59.35 | gravity | It may be in the .diff.gz or if you're lucky it'll be in debian/patches |
| 05:59.36 | Nyle | simonrvn: is plonk the new way of advertising that you're ignoring someone |
| 05:59.37 | Nyle | ? |
| 05:59.41 | gravity | But either way, you need the source package |
| 05:59.44 | dwu | simonrvn: The whole... swearing + smiley thing.... doesn't really work. |
| 05:59.46 | simonrvn | !plonk |
| 05:59.47 | dpkg | i guess plonk is the sound that a name makes when hitting the ignore list or or killfile. Plonk is British and Canadian slang for cheap wine. "Rodney, you plonker." |
| 05:59.49 | Guerin | Nyle: new since the early 1990s |
| 05:59.52 | jimmybgood | Nyle: geez i wish he'd ignore me |
| 05:59.54 | gravity | Nyle: s/new/very old/ |
| 06:00.07 | Nyle | gravity: im not that big of a nerd I supose :) |
| 06:00.09 | simonrvn | dwu: worked for me :) |
| 06:00.13 | gravity | heh |
| 06:00.17 | gravity | Anyway, I'm off |
| 06:00.18 | dwu | simonrvn: Eh, well... |
| 06:00.19 | Nyle | g'night |
| 06:00.23 | dwu | simonrvn: Debatable. |
| 06:00.26 | simonrvn | gravity: g'night |
| 06:00.31 | gravity | g'night simonrvn |
| 06:00.56 | Penix | I hate serial consoles |
| 06:01.02 | Nyle | hi Penix |
| 06:01.08 | simonrvn | http://simonraven.kisikew.org/src/miscellaneous/english_fuck.swf |
| 06:01.15 | dwu | Penix: For good reason, no doubt. *nod* |
| 06:01.19 | simonrvn | have fun kids |
| 06:01.41 | Nyle | haah |
| 06:01.43 | Nyle | my man |
| 06:01.46 | Nyle | came through |
| 06:01.52 | Penix | dwu: certainly |
| 06:02.02 | dwu | Penix: Well, more power to you, etc. |
| 06:02.47 | dondelelcaro | serial consoles are great |
| 06:02.48 | Penix | all those pins mocking me |
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| 06:03.07 | dondelelcaro | well, working serial consoles, anyway. |
| 06:03.15 | Penix | true |
| 06:03.54 | dwu | There's a Knockin' on Heaven's Door filk in there somewhere. |
| 06:04.23 | Nyle | simonrvn: that was good stuff |
| 06:04.41 | simonrvn | i forgot where i found that |
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| 06:05.05 | bucky | i miss the Badger animation |
| 06:05.11 | Nyle | banana phone? |
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| 06:06.09 | dwu | BADGER BADGER BADGER BADGER MUSHROOM MUSHROOM. |
| 06:06.15 | dwu | Ah, good days. |
| 06:06.22 | boss | How to edit orca screen reader for local language |
| 06:06.31 | Penix | you can never have too many badgers |
| 06:06.34 | boss | Hi to all |
| 06:06.48 | bucky | hi boss |
| 06:07.25 | boss | bucky,hi |
| 06:07.49 | boss | bucky,pls help me to edit orca screen reader |
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| 06:09.39 | bucky | boss did you apt-get install gnome-orca |
| 06:10.37 | bucky | boss the instructions are here http://live.gnome.org/Orca |
| 06:10.56 | boss | bucky,ya i am having the source |
| 06:12.20 | bucky | boss is this on debian etch ? |
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| 06:13.37 | bucky | lenny has it as a binary file |
| 06:13.51 | boss | bucky.yes |
| 06:14.05 | boss | bucky,i want to edit this for my own language tamil |
| 06:14.54 | bucky | boss that's not easy |
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| 06:15.42 | boss | bucky.i need to do that one that is my task |
| 06:16.07 | boss | bucky,can u tell me the steps to edit |
| 06:17.05 | bucky | boss i think you're going to need a newer version of gnome than the one in etch |
| 06:18.53 | bucky | boss once you get it going to bring up the Orca Configuration GUI you access it by pressing Insert+Space when Orca is running |
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| 06:19.09 | boss | bucky, i want to edit the source of orca screen reader to my own language , it is my task to do |
| 06:19.41 | bucky | boss i see |
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| 06:21.07 | boss | orca screen reader is working fine in my system but i want to make it for my language, how to do , for that which file to edit |
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| 06:24.57 | boss | bucky,did u getmepls |
| 06:25.10 | bucky | boss it can be done there is a school in Chennai that is using tamil |
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| 06:26.51 | harpal | bucky, r u indian? |
| 06:26.57 | boss | bucky,which school they are using orca screen reader in tamil |
| 06:26.58 | bucky | no |
| 06:27.08 | Nyle | south indian is so vastly different |
| 06:27.23 | Nyle | I know a lot of north hindustani languages |
| 06:27.37 | bucky | boss The Electronics Corporation of Tamil Nadu (ELCOT) has put forth a proposal to the Social Welfare Department regarding giving schools for the visually impaired 30 computers each with Orca |
| 06:27.44 | Nyle | but none from the south or the west, like gujrati or bungali |
| 06:27.57 | bucky | boss you are not using ubuntu are you? |
| 06:28.08 | harpal | Nyle, Did you know Gujarati? |
| 06:28.16 | Nyle | nope, only a few words |
| 06:28.25 | harpal | me is gujarati |
| 06:28.28 | Nyle | my younger brothers babysitter all his life was from gujrat, he speaks it |
| 06:28.33 | Nyle | I'm punjabi |
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| 06:28.40 | Nyle | a little north of ya |
| 06:28.40 | Nyle | :) |
| 06:28.54 | harpal | hey nice to meet you |
| 06:29.01 | Nyle | same, /me tips his hat |
| 06:29.16 | Nyle | harpal: you speak hindi? |
| 06:29.22 | harpal | ya |
| 06:29.26 | Nyle | #debianindia |
| 06:29.36 | boss | bucky, which country you are |
| 06:29.42 | harpal | ohh great |
| 06:30.06 | Nyle | harpal: I've seen you around in here but I didn't know you were indian |
| 06:30.19 | Nyle | I should have guessed from the name, Ha'rd'pal |
| 06:30.23 | Nyle | heh |
| 06:30.24 | bucky | boss i don't know how to get orca to use tamil i have never used it |
| 06:30.33 | harpal | ya |
| 06:31.33 | nareshov | heh |
| 06:31.39 | boss | bucky,Yes ELCOT is using orca in english i am doing the chat from ECLOT only |
| 06:31.43 | bucky | boss Mr. Mane, a visually impaired research scholar at the Tata Institute of Fundamental Research is the guy who is doing it |
| 06:31.48 | nareshov | lot of indians today |
| 06:32.14 | DawnLight | what language are we talking about? |
| 06:32.19 | Nyle | Tamil |
| 06:32.24 | Nyle | south indian language |
| 06:32.24 | bucky | on Orca |
| 06:32.36 | DawnLight | can you type some Tamil here? |
| 06:32.39 | Nyle | !info orca |
| 06:32.43 | Nyle | hm |
| 06:32.53 | dwu | Would require UTF8 or somesuch, presumably. |
| 06:32.56 | Nyle | it uses the sanskrit script |
| 06:33.20 | nareshov | tamil uses the brahmi script |
| 06:33.27 | DawnLight | id your keyboard mapped to it? |
| 06:33.50 | bucky | gnome-orca is in lenny |
| 06:34.01 | bucky | it's been in ubuntu for a while |
| 06:34.12 | nareshov | it's rare to get indian keyboards with indian script on it so people use this thing called scim |
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| 06:34.26 | nareshov | and itrans specifically |
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| 06:34.46 | boss | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:34.52 | dalias | input methods are annoying tho |
| 06:34.53 | squisher | does anyone here have xen with the binary nvidia drivers running? |
| 06:34.57 | DawnLight | so people who primarily speak tamil don't use it in their pc? |
| 06:34.59 | dalias | big pain to correct typos |
| 06:35.00 | nareshov | dalias, true :D |
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| 06:35.14 | squisher | I'm trying to compile it with m-a, but it complains about conflicting types for pm_message_t |
| 06:35.33 | bucky | boss do you have lenny? |
| 06:35.48 | nareshov | DawnLight, I've never seen a keyboard with indian script myself (been in the country for 21 years now :P) |
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| 06:36.52 | DawnLight | funny, i can't imagine that, becuase i speak hebrew primarily and hebrew in computing is taken for granted. שלום |
| 06:37.05 | boss | bucky,no |
| 06:37.19 | bucky | boss probably needs at least ttf-tamil-fonts and maybe tamil-gtk2im - Tamil input method for GTK-2 |
| 06:37.35 | nareshov | DawnLight, well, in homolingual countries things like that are easy or as you have it - taken for granted |
| 06:38.01 | nareshov | India is multilingual, on an Indian currency note you'll see 18 languages |
| 06:38.04 | nareshov | :D |
| 06:38.08 | DawnLight | 18!!! |
| 06:38.12 | nareshov | :D :D |
| 06:38.31 | DawnLight | my god. how 'bout street signs? |
| 06:38.35 | Nyle | nareshov: I'm happy with urdu |
| 06:38.35 | bucky | boss see if you can apt-get install ttf-tamil-fonts tamil-gtk2im |
| 06:38.48 | dalias | dawnlight, usually 3 langs on signs |
| 06:38.52 | Nyle | us north indians had no reason to learn south indian languages |
| 06:38.53 | Nyle | hehe |
| 06:38.56 | dwu | nareshov: "monolingual". |
| 06:38.57 | dalias | english, hindi, and whatever the local language is |
| 06:39.01 | nareshov | DawnLight, http://www.rbi.org.in/currency/Rs1000.html (click on reverse) |
| 06:39.27 | Nyle | its like totally a completely different culture |
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| 06:39.45 | nareshov | Nyle, yeah, I go for a walk in Kanpur and first - I see people everywhere and second - they're all Hindi speaking :P |
| 06:39.57 | dalias | in bailakuppe many signs have 4 langs: english, hindi, kannada, and tibetan |
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| 06:40.07 | huslu | http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/daily-builds/testing/current/i386/iso-cd/ are missing dhcp client - do i have it correct? |
| 06:40.21 | bucky | some people over there get upset when Richard Gere puts the moves on a woman |
| 06:40.30 | dalias | haha |
| 06:40.36 | DawnLight | hahah |
| 06:40.37 | nareshov | back in a Kanpur-like city such as Mysore: first - you hardly see people, second - at least three languages are spoken :D |
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| 06:40.42 | nareshov | hehe |
| 06:41.05 | DawnLight | hardly see people? |
| 06:41.15 | nareshov | compared to Kanpur i.e. |
| 06:41.24 | nareshov | India's population is second only to China |
| 06:41.36 | DawnLight | is kanpur like a beehive? |
| 06:41.39 | nareshov | yeah :D |
| 06:41.42 | bucky | huslu, they have dhclient which should work for you |
| 06:41.46 | bucky | i haven |
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| 06:42.09 | nareshov | kanpur is a city in India's most populous province btw |
| 06:42.11 | bucky | i haven't had luck with the lenny installer... anyone else? |
| 06:42.12 | Nyle | kan means ear, pur means village |
| 06:42.20 | Nyle | kanpur means village of the ear |
| 06:42.22 | Nyle | seriously |
| 06:42.22 | nareshov | o_O |
| 06:42.25 | DawnLight | many israelis go to india after military service |
| 06:42.31 | nareshov | "many" |
| 06:42.37 | nareshov | hardly seen 'em :P |
| 06:42.37 | DawnLight | lots |
| 06:42.40 | huslu | bucky: i just downloaded the netist iso and in install it says that dhcp client is missing |
| 06:43.01 | dalias | go to manali and you'll see them |
| 06:43.06 | nareshov | ah |
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| 06:43.14 | dalias | picking weed off the hillsides and smoking it =) |
| 06:43.17 | DawnLight | yeah, i've heard that name |
| 06:43.18 | nareshov | hehe |
| 06:43.19 | bucky | ctl-alt f2 to a term and do a dhclient eth0 |
| 06:43.29 | Nyle | dalias: its not worth it |
| 06:43.39 | Nyle | for like half a US dollar you can guy a few sticks of kickass hashish |
| 06:43.48 | Nyle | s/guy/buy |
| 06:43.49 | DawnLight | after the army they need to 'find' themselves i guess |
| 06:44.04 | dalias | yeah but the cops sometimes do stings on foreigners buying it |
| 06:44.16 | huslu | bucky: tried that, didn't seem to find dhclient but i didn't look very hard, if wasn't in path. otherwise the installer seems to work tho. |
| 06:44.30 | huslu | it wasn't in path that is. |
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| 06:44.45 | harpal | Just visit TAJ MAHAL |
| 06:44.55 | Nyle | wellin pakistan wheneve ri got busted with booze or hash, I just stopped speaking my language, spoke english with an american accent, and told em my uncle was a big politician etc. |
| 06:45.04 | bucky | huslu, i don't know.. i tried the lenny installer and it never works.. i just install etch and then upgrade the basic system |
| 06:45.08 | Nyle | if they were dicks, I'd bribe em with a fw dolalrs and they would lave me alone |
| 06:45.16 | Nyle | I never got busted really ever |
| 06:45.26 | Nyle | and in pakistan if you get caught with booze, you could hang |
| 06:45.27 | Nyle | :/ |
| 06:45.32 | DawnLight | damn |
| 06:45.33 | nareshov | pakistan is gone, a few more days and ethnic cleansing is going to commence |
| 06:45.42 | nareshov | heard you guys are going to kill the shia |
| 06:45.42 | Nyle | ? |
| 06:45.42 | dalias | nyle, :) |
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| 06:46.00 | bucky | my buddy goes to Buhttan and they have some weird parade where people walk around with wooden phallic symbols |
| 06:46.11 | nareshov | hehe |
| 06:46.12 | huslu | bucky: ok, which part does't work for you [in the installer] ? |
| 06:46.20 | dalias | bucky, sweet |
| 06:46.26 | Nyle | bhutan |
| 06:46.27 | dalias | but you misspelled bhutan |
| 06:46.29 | Nyle | thas a cool name |
| 06:46.32 | DawnLight | i walk around that way too, simetimes |
| 06:46.36 | DawnLight | bbl |
| 06:46.37 | nareshov | :D |
| 06:46.55 | bucky | huslu, last time it wouldn't boot up.. i don't know why they even bother to host them.. they're so worried about bandwidth |
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| 06:47.37 | bucky | DawnLight, are you saying you walk around with a woody? |
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| 06:48.48 | Nyle | in some parts of the world they worship the phallus |
| 06:48.50 | bucky | how come it's not ok for the women over there to get naughty? |
| 06:48.56 | Nyle | its a symbol of fertility and life etc. |
| 06:49.02 | bucky | it's a fertility symbol |
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| 06:49.05 | dalias | nyle, just look at washington dc and the national mall |
| 06:49.07 | bucky | yah |
| 06:49.11 | Nyle | dalias: hahaha |
| 06:49.21 | Nyle | good one |
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| 06:50.11 | nareshov | the phallus is worshipped in India, they call it the "shivling" (shivalingam) |
| 06:50.20 | nareshov | (sorry for being OT) |
| 06:50.25 | Nyle | !o |
| 06:50.25 | dpkg | rumour has it, o is OH! |
| 06:50.27 | syed_nawaz | Is it ok to configure the firewall, proxy and DNS in the same debian server |
| 06:50.31 | Nyle | !ot |
| 06:50.31 | dpkg | well, ot is Please keep the discussions in #debian on-topic (i.e., Debian support), or return to the topic after a short while. #debian-offtopic is the place for longer off-topic discussions between regulars |
| 06:50.34 | boss | bucky, yes it got installed fine |
| 06:50.40 | Nyle | syed_nawaz: salaam |
| 06:50.44 | dalias | :) |
| 06:50.45 | Nyle | syed_nawaz: sure |
| 06:50.59 | syed_nawaz | Nyle, waalikum salam |
| 06:51.12 | bucky | boss you have the ttf-tamil-fonts installed |
| 06:51.15 | nareshov | syed_nawaz, make sure the services listen only on the interfaces they're supposed to listen to |
| 06:51.19 | dalias | speaking of bhutan |
| 06:51.21 | Nyle | syed_nawaz: aur suna kya kar hraha hai? |
| 06:51.42 | syed_nawaz | Nyle, DNS configure karkarahun |
| 06:51.47 | Kevin` | syed_nawaz firewall proxy and dns doesn't include anything running "random" code, so I think that would be pretty safe |
| 06:51.48 | nareshov | hehe |
| 06:51.52 | Nyle | fit hai, laga reh |
| 06:51.59 | Nyle | moj masti kar bhai |
| 06:52.00 | Kevin` | syed_nawaz (like a web server would be) |
| 06:52.19 | Nyle | syed_nawaz: yes do it |
| 06:52.24 | dalias | རྫོང་ཁ་ཤེས་ཀྱི་ཡོད་པས། |
| 06:52.32 | Nyle | dalias: all i see is boxes |
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| 06:52.35 | nareshov | dalias, ? |
| 06:52.38 | nareshov | me too |
| 06:52.38 | Nyle | was i meant to see boxes? |
| 06:52.39 | dalias | guess not |
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| 06:52.59 | dalias | i just asked if you understand dzongkha |
| 06:53.08 | nareshov | nope :| |
| 06:53.16 | syed_nawaz | Kevin`, i am using shorewall, squid and BIND for the three |
| 06:53.36 | Kevin` | syed_nawaz do not allow the shorewall web interface to be accessed from the internet |
| 06:53.42 | Kevin` | directly, at least |
| 06:53.59 | nareshov | yeah, use Deny all, Allow 172. or something like that |
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| 06:54.22 | Kevin` | have it actually Listen on 127.0.0.1 |
| 06:54.32 | syed_nawaz | Kevin`, i have configured the name server using the following document http://chaos-laboratory.com/2006/12/26/how-to-setup-a-local-domain-name-services-dns-server-for-your-intranet/ |
| 06:54.36 | Kevin` | then do ssh forwarding to use it remotely |
| 06:54.43 | nareshov | ah |
| 06:55.09 | Kevin` | firewall rule would work just as well |
| 06:55.17 | Kevin` | I wouldn't use the wrapper allow/deny files |
| 06:55.34 | syed_nawaz | Kevin`, But now i dont know how to make my lan systems use this DNS server |
| 06:55.38 | Kevin` | syed_nawaz I don't really want to look at that since i'm on a console |
| 06:55.43 | boss | bucky,yes it got installed |
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| 06:56.04 | Kevin` | syed_nawaz have your dhcp server give that as the primary dns server address |
| 06:56.29 | syed_nawaz | Kevin`, ok, i will do that |
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| 06:56.49 | Kevin` | it's set up to allow recursive lookups from the lan, right? |
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| 06:57.01 | Kevin` | and, for that matter, ONLY from the lan? |
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| 06:57.27 | bucky | boss see if there's a setting for it when you press the space bar and the insert key at the same time |
| 06:57.56 | syed_nawaz | Kevin`i dont know about it, i have followed the tutorial and i have configured it as per the tutorial |
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| 06:58.11 | Kevin` | syed_nawaz know about it |
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| 06:58.35 | Kevin` | if you don't know what you did and why you did it your asking for trouble |
| 06:59.17 | Nyle | syed_nawaz: السلام عليكم |
| 06:59.19 | Nyle | hmm |
| 06:59.25 | Nyle | that came out backwards |
| 06:59.26 | Nyle | heh |
| 06:59.36 | amol | hi to all:i have changed debian tasksel added some more entry.....then created installable cd...changes in tasksel has shown but selecting or deselecting of particular package not getting affected.. |
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| 07:00.05 | syed_nawaz | Kevin`, I have managed to do it, now i am just one step from the process of completing |
| 07:00.18 | amol | all:only packages mentioned in preseed are getting installed |
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| 07:00.30 | bucky | i'v got to go horizontal |
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| 07:00.58 | nvz | hmm this looks weird without my timestamps on |
| 07:01.40 | nvz | I was trying to slim down my irssi to fit better on a little screen.. just makes it look worse on a big one |
| 07:01.55 | nvz | the problem is I haven't figured out how to scroll in irssi from my pocketPC |
| 07:02.06 | nvz | it has not pageup/pagedn or alt keys.. just a ctrl |
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| 07:02.49 | Nyle | nvz: bind a key combo to it |
| 07:02.54 | Nyle | like ctrl + p |
| 07:02.57 | Nyle | nvz: /help ind |
| 07:03.00 | Nyle | nvz: /help bind |
| 07:03.03 | Nyle | i think |
| 07:03.21 | nvz | not sure how right now.. would help if I can somehow use the scroller on the side or the directonal pad on it for these functions I don't have |
| 07:03.36 | nvz | arrows are needed too for many functions |
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| 07:03.52 | nvz | I figured out I can scroll through my bash history with ctrl+p or n |
| 07:03.53 | Kevin` | nvz does it have any non-standard keys, or a "function" type key? that would be a better choice for binding combinations with, as it won't overlap |
| 07:04.08 | Kevin` | using mail+upkey and mail+downkey even maybe :) |
| 07:04.28 | boss | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:04.29 | nvz | Kevin`: yeah it does have a function key |
| 07:04.52 | nvz | Kevin`: the keyboard attachement I have is a targus noteworthy I had a image link for it but don;'t know where it is right now |
| 07:04.54 | Kevin` | so find a function key combo that is unused and change the keymap to make that pgup/down |
| 07:05.13 | boss | amol:where is the source package for tasksel |
| 07:05.27 | nvz | I'm not sure how to do that exactly I am ssh in from the PocketPC Windows using pocketputty |
| 07:05.35 | hardcampa | here's a cheat sheet for you guys: |
| 07:05.38 | hardcampa | http://www.catonmat.net/blog/wp-content/plugins/wp-downloadMonitor/user_uploads/readline-emacs-editing-mode-cheat-sheet.txt |
| 07:05.40 | Kevin` | nzk oh, I assumed you put linux on the pda, heh |
| 07:05.44 | nvz | and I don't want to do anything that will screw up how I use my linux box locally |
| 07:05.46 | hardcampa | doh wrong channel |
| 07:05.49 | hardcampa | but that's me |
| 07:05.50 | hardcampa | =) |
| 07:05.51 | Nyle | token |
| 07:06.02 | hardcampa | Ment to paste that in bash =) |
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| 07:06.14 | nvz | Kevin`: thinking about it just to play with.. but one I'd have to chainload it off external card from windows, and it probably wouldnt be nearly as functional as it is now |
| 07:06.35 | amol | boss:i am having whatever i changed... |
| 07:06.54 | nvz | Kevin`: most of the hardware sounds fairly linux compatable.. its an Xscale (ARM) cpu, ac97 audio, ati video. |
| 07:06.54 | Kevin` | nvz for me, access to all opensource linux apps is more functional :) |
| 07:07.18 | nvz | Kevin`: yeah but if the touchscreen, wifi..etc doesnt work its kinda useless |
| 07:07.29 | nvz | Kevin`: with pocketputty I can just ssh into my box for all that |
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| 07:07.32 | boss | amol, have you edited the file properly |
| 07:07.33 | Kevin` | nvz google the model number + linux, there's support for a lot of them |
| 07:07.47 | nvz | Kevin`: I did all that long before I ever bought it |
| 07:08.03 | nvz | Kevin`: its not a real heavily tested model for linux |
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| 07:09.04 | amol | boss:i have edited tasks and added more task as per descibed in readme of package |
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| 07:09.51 | nvz | I got the Toshiba e750, Cradle, Two AC cords, Targus Noteworthy keyboard attachment, and a 16mb CF card for $100 on ebay last week though.. it works well except the battery dies at 42% and it has like 1-3 dead pixels not sure really yet how many but at least one.. |
| 07:10.01 | nvz | I can get a new battery for $25 online from California |
| 07:10.02 | boss | amol, may be due to dependency it may not install properly |
| 07:10.06 | nvz | so it was a steal |
| 07:10.09 | nvz | linux or not |
| 07:10.46 | nvz | I used it today to troubleshoot a samba/cups problem on a debian server.. went in there never had to touch the linux box or the vista box and got it working |
| 07:10.55 | Kevin` | nice |
| 07:11.09 | Kevin` | does it have a builtin keyboard or do you NEED the attachment one for that |
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| 07:12.10 | Kevin` | I need to get a new wifi card for my pda, one of the connections is lose and it intermittantly hangs. almost impossible to fix too because of the form factor |
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| 07:12.46 | Kevin` | (rather, intermittently actually works, when it's plugged in just right) |
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| 07:13.21 | amol | boss:after installtion of cd ..i have checked tasksel is installed properly |
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| 07:13.35 | amol | but other pkgs not |
| 07:13.53 | nvz | na it has recognition 3 modes, Block Recogniser (essentially a clone of PalmOS Grafitti), Letter Recogniser, and Transcriber (can take any cursive or print basically and transcribe to text) in addition to an onscreen keyboard |
| 07:14.21 | nvz | Kevin`: the keyboard I have fits on the bottom and is about as wide as the device (approx 3inches) resembles a blackberry keyboard |
| 07:14.47 | nvz | Kevin`: you can also buy an attachment that goes on there that gives you a VGA port with 640x480 or 800x600 res and a USB port |
| 07:15.11 | nvz | so you can use it for presentations or as a desktop (sort-of) |
| 07:15.32 | Kevin` | mine has a usb (1.1) port native, no external vga though :) |
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| 07:16.07 | nvz | well you can get a cable that goes into that port on the bottom and gives you a usb port too if you wanna use like a usb flash drive or something |
| 07:16.24 | Kevin` | does it work as a usb host? |
| 07:16.53 | nvz | Idk really never got that far into it yet |
| 07:17.19 | nvz | I don;t like that its using the really old Win2002 but other than that I am falling in love with it |
| 07:17.42 | nvz | I mean for $100.. thats less than I paid for my damn SanDisk Sansa e250 |
| 07:17.47 | waltz | hello why can't I ./configure? |
| 07:17.52 | nvz | and this is way more useful |
| 07:18.00 | Kevin` | waltz because |
| 07:18.09 | waltz | o rly |
| 07:18.12 | Kevin` | ya rly |
| 07:18.20 | waltz | ;< |
| 07:18.43 | nvz | I put an AppleIIe emulator on it today.. heh |
| 07:18.46 | nvz | why I don't know |
| 07:18.51 | nvz | just cause I found one I guess :P |
| 07:18.58 | Kevin` | put qemu on it and run windows 98 |
| 07:19.04 | nvz | hah |
| 07:19.51 | nvz | I need to get myself a large CF card before I start thinking about running other OSs and big stuff |
| 07:20.00 | nvz | I'm still not real sure what the limits are on cards |
| 07:20.03 | Kevin` | last I checked debian/arm didn't have a qemu package, had to compile it myself :( |
| 07:20.10 | nvz | I hate to learn by trial and error |
| 07:20.25 | nvz | I already learned the SD slot can;'t seem to address more than 1gb |
| 07:20.42 | nvz | though I've read on forums people have gotten larger CF cards or larger SD cards to work in the CF slot |
| 07:21.01 | Kevin` | cf->sd is an interesting trick |
| 07:21.02 | nvz | I'd go get a damn 16GB CF card if I knew for sure it'd work |
| 07:21.22 | nvz | yeah but the way I see it, is the cf and sd are pretty much same price |
| 07:21.30 | nvz | so buying the adapter just makes it cost more to use SD |
| 07:21.35 | nvz | for no advantage |
| 07:22.00 | Kevin` | cf really should be more expensive, can't they stuff more chips into the larger space? :/ |
| 07:22.13 | nvz | 16GB CF is the biggest I see widely on the market going for around $100 |
| 07:22.27 | nvz | I am just not sure if it will work or not |
| 07:22.43 | nvz | and $100 is what the damn computer and accessories cost me combined |
| 07:22.57 | syed_nawaz | Kevin`, I have set "nameserver X.X.X.X" in one of the client systems, but then i am unable to ping from the client to the DNS server using the hostname of the server |
| 07:23.22 | Kevin` | the SD addressing system tops at 2gb unless you use sdhc, CF uses ata so it should work reasonably easily for sizes like that, but you never know |
| 07:23.29 | nvz | seems silly to get small 4 or 8gb ones if it MAY support a 16.. cause its costs more that way.. 16GB at 4x4GB is $30x4=$120 |
| 07:24.06 | nvz | 4s are going for like $30, 8s for 55, and 16s for 100 |
| 07:24.19 | Kevin` | syed_nawaz the hostname of the server by itself? if so, did you set "search domainname"? |
| 07:25.18 | syed_nawaz | Kevin`, yeah, the cleints are unable to ping the DNS server by its host name |
| 07:25.33 | nvz | damn, is it seriously 2am? |
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| 07:25.48 | corky | hi all |
| 07:25.50 | syed_nawaz | Kevin`, I have set up "search domainname" |
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| 07:26.07 | nvz | wtf.. I swear it was just 10pm like a few minutes ago |
| 07:26.25 | corky | well, how do i install the nvidia drivers? |
| 07:26.30 | nvz | its past bed time, if I had one.. |
| 07:26.40 | corky | what... drivers?! |
| 07:26.41 | corky | :P |
| 07:27.10 | Kevin` | !nvidia |
| 07:27.11 | dpkg | To use an NVIDIA graphics card with Debian, see http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers. If you've done it before, ask me about <nvidia one-liner> for a reminder. |
| 07:27.14 | Kevin` | and.. good night |
| 07:27.33 | corky | ok... thnx! :D |
| 07:27.45 | syed_nawaz | I just wanted to configure a DNS server which will resolve the internal IP addresses of my LAN, |
| 07:27.47 | nvz | yeah I might as well get off this workspace.. I'm too tired to be useful, I'd just be rambling |
| 07:28.13 | nvz | oh wait, already doing that |
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| 07:47.36 | cTATUK | I just tried installing compiz on debian but I'm getting a black screen... any ideas? |
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| 07:51.15 | georgeblunt | hey there. |
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| 07:56.25 | georgeblunt | i've got a quick question. consider you plan to do a dist-upgrade from stable to testing. you've got testing and unstable sources in your sources.list and pinned stable to 700 and unstable to 650. the new testing is not pinned at all. which packets does a dist-upgrade use? testing (not pinned) or unstable (pinned below stable)? |
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| 08:06.57 | cTATUK | I just tried installing compiz on debian but I'm getting a black screen... any ideas? |
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| 08:08.20 | stoned | cTATUK: try #compiz-fusion |
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| 08:19.19 | georgeblunt | erm.. anyone? |
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| 08:21.26 | sep | georgeblunt, i would have removed the pinning and clean up the sources.list before doing the upgrade. |
| 08:22.34 | georgeblunt | sep: yes. that would have been a good idea.. too late though. I just remembered this constilation and the upgrade is running at home |
| 08:23.02 | syed_nawaz | Is there any way to find the sites with have bandwidth consumption from logs. i am using squid |
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| 08:30.44 | Caelum | I turned off dri, and fglrx is much faster... |
| 08:32.33 | Nyle | Caelum: really |
| 08:32.46 | Nyle | Caelum: you took out the dri module line? |
| 08:32.59 | Caelum | I did Option "no_dri" "true" |
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| 08:33.18 | Nyle | how is that different from not loadin thte dri module |
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| 08:33.32 | Nyle | Caelum: that seems like a device option? |
| 08:33.34 | Caelum | when I tried just commenting out the dri module, it would still get loaded |
| 08:33.38 | Caelum | yeah |
| 08:33.59 | ronr | how can I tell debian to include another directory to search for .so libraries (I got the library somewhere in /usr/local)? |
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| 08:34.49 | Caelum | ronr: put a file with the dir in /etc/ld.so.conf.d and run ldconfig |
| 08:35.09 | Caelum | ronr: or just set LD_LIBRARY_PATH in your shell |
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| 08:36.24 | ronr | Caelum: thanks, that works |
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| 08:49.58 | georgeblunt | ok.. i guess i have messed my dist up a little with my apt-pinning experiment.. smells like a clean reinstall with a lenny dvd when i come home. (starting jigdo) |
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| 08:50.52 | nareshov | How do I find out what package a file belongs to? (I don't have the package installed) |
| 08:51.08 | sep | nareshov, apt-file, or use packages.debian.org |
| 08:51.13 | sep | or ask dpkg |
| 08:51.18 | nareshov | ok |
| 08:51.21 | sep | hmm last one might not work |
| 08:51.39 | Caelum | nareshov: dpkg -S /path/to/file |
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| 08:52.16 | marc7 | what's it called when you have two databases or sources of data that are typically synchronized, but have gone out of sync? they are no longer ________... |
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| 08:53.15 | Caelum | georgeblunt: I doubt that, just fix your config and run apt-get update again |
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| 08:56.18 | georgeblunt | Caelum: you think that'd work? it would mean a downgrade for a lot of packages, which is not what i'd call perferrable. |
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| 08:57.42 | iamfuzz | is there a reason why a debconf config file wouldnt be getting automatically executed before unpack? |
| 08:57.50 | Caelum | georgeblunt: just upgrade to sid :) |
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| 08:58.45 | georgeblunt | Caelum: hehe.. good idea.. but i wanted to take small steps.. like stable->testing->unstable ;) |
| 08:59.10 | biz | hi, usually I do apt-get build-dep whatever; apt-get -b source whatever to get the build dependencies and then compile the source package. now I need to chance some things in the source package, so i drop -b and just download the sources. after this, how should i build the package (what does the -b do exactly?) ? |
| 08:59.16 | Caelum | georgeblunt: it seems you've already made the decision though, and it's not worth the hassle of a complete reinstall |
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| 08:59.32 | ekimus | marc7: synchronized? (I usually call that a desaster) |
| 08:59.39 | Caelum | biz: fakeroot debian/rules binary |
| 08:59.56 | biz | Caelum: thanks |
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| 09:00.03 | Caelum | biz: or dpkg-buildpackage -b -uc -rfakeroot |
| 09:00.04 | marc7 | ekimus: there's a specific word used at my old job that described the loss of synchronization between billing and service systems |
| 09:00.12 | marc7 | it just eludes me now |
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| 09:00.26 | biz | Caelum: in the package source dir? |
| 09:00.27 | ekimus | marc7: jobless, fired, blame it to the admin? :) |
| 09:00.29 | georgeblunt | Caelum: hmm.. i guess it would at least be worth a try. if unstable doesn't fit me, a reinstall is still an option |
| 09:00.36 | Caelum | biz: yeah |
| 09:00.50 | xoz | out of sync, heh |
| 09:00.56 | BdPuK | does anyone fancy helping me through getting my wireless working? it's driving me nuts |
| 09:01.01 | xoz | or in irc, lag |
| 09:01.11 | Caelum | georgeblunt: make sure to install apt-listbugs, so if there's an "OMIGOD WIPEZ HARD DRIVEZ" bug you'll know about it before you install something |
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| 09:02.06 | nareshov | ah, nice |
| 09:02.08 | georgeblunt | Caelum: will do. *writes note* |
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| 09:02.27 | Caelum | georgeblunt: I'm exaggerating of course, I've been running unstable for the past...maybe 7 years or so and have been generally happy with it |
| 09:02.39 | ekimus | ata over ethernet is so sexy... |
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| 09:04.08 | georgeblunt | Caelum: i've been kindof a stable guy for a long time due to some servers i run in stable. but for desktop it's starting to get on my nerves. i am constantly compiling newer versions than those in the rep |
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| 09:05.26 | rolled | for some reason i couldnt get xorg 7.3 working on unstable with the nv drivers or the nvidia ones, wouldnt log anything and just refused to start not giving any info as why, even though 7.3 runs fine for me on freebsd with the ignoreABI set |
| 09:05.40 | nocti | how do i change my cursors? im just using fluxbox. i've tried editing .Xdefaults but I got stuck with a lefty pointer and I can't get it to go back. |
| 09:06.06 | rolled | so i removed the 7.3 and installed 7.2 from testing |
| 09:06.28 | nocti | rolled: nvidia-xconfig didn't work? |
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| 09:07.38 | rolled | why would the nvidia xconfig help if xorg7.3 wouldnt even start with the nv drivers |
| 09:08.40 | georgeblunt | rolled: and 7.2 works with the same settings and the same kernel/module? |
| 09:08.47 | rolled | yes |
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| 09:08.52 | georgeblunt | odd |
| 09:09.25 | rolled | i figured all id have to do is set the ignoreABI flag and have 7.3 running without prob on debian |
| 09:09.33 | rolled | but pfft |
| 09:09.34 | Caelum | rolled: did you check /var/log/Xorg.0.log ? |
| 09:10.00 | rolled | thats the same log it trys to access when x cant start correct? |
| 09:10.08 | rolled | cause it had no log |
| 09:10.09 | biz | is there something similar to apt-get build-dep in aptitude? |
| 09:10.13 | rolled | when it tried to bring it up |
| 09:10.15 | rolled | and show me |
| 09:10.37 | ekimus | biz: don't think so |
| 09:10.50 | rolled | i seen some others around on a few forums saying theres didnt have a log either |
| 09:11.00 | Caelum | weird |
| 09:11.02 | rolled | so chalked it up with a another prob |
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| 09:11.46 | rolled | ffmpeg seems to be messed up on unstable too? |
| 09:11.47 | axscode | whats the command to zero the flash disk from start to end? |
| 09:11.54 | rolled | i had to grab the testing version |
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| 09:13.30 | huhmz | Hello. Does anyone know how to specify tab stops in terminal in linux? i found the setterm command but it only works for virtual consoles not xterms |
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| 09:13.57 | |Virtus| | I just love compiling.. |
| 09:14.07 | |Virtus| | all that scrolling text makes me fell important :D |
| 09:14.51 | tralala | |Virtus|, I can help you feel important and save computing resources at the same time - no need to compile |
| 09:15.25 | |Virtus| | ohh, but I need to compile |
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| 09:18.19 | rolled | has any1 tried the beta nvidia drivers 169.04? |
| 09:18.20 | Caelum | now I just need a device to switch focus to the terminal I'm looking at and xinerama would be even more awesome :) |
| 09:18.51 | rvalles | rolled: I'm using them, everything is fine, 7800gs/agp |
| 09:20.19 | rolled | is there a way to set in the nvidia drivers the noise reduction/edge enhancements that are provided with the windows drivers |
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| 09:29.33 | huhmz | Anyone know how to set tab stops in a terminal? |
| 09:29.58 | dalias | it varies between terminals, and not all can do it |
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| 09:30.19 | dalias | are you sure that's really what you want to do? |
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| 09:30.40 | socketErr | how can i see differences between installed files and the deb-package contents? |
| 09:30.57 | stephen | How can I get http traffic to go to two different machines if I have only one IP? eg svn.mydomain.com and www.mydomain.com? they'd both resolve to one IP, but one is pure web traffic, and one is a svn repo. |
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| 09:31.28 | Jemt | Greetz. Can someone explain to me what /sys contains? Most webpages about the Linux File System dosn't expain this paticular directory |
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| 09:34.55 | stephen | Jemt: it is the sysfs filesystem, a bit like /proc, that allows user mode applications to access kernel internal data strucrures |
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| 09:35.29 | huhmz | dalias: yes, im sure. Have any suggestions how? |
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| 09:36.27 | dalias | well you'll have to look up how to do it for the particular terminal |
| 09:36.33 | dalias | but what are you trying to accomplish? |
| 09:36.51 | dalias | that's not the way to set the width of tabs in a text editor that runs on the terminal |
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| 09:38.08 | dimsuz | guys, please remind me that dpkg magic words for info about unstable? |
| 09:38.16 | dimsuz | dpkg: unstable |
| 09:38.17 | dpkg | i heard unstable is the status of a Debian release when packages can be added to the system at any time that might disrupt the integrity of the whole system! Ask me about <break>. Not supported here, in general. It's also newspeak for not stable. If you have to ask whether you should use it or how, you shouldn't. apt-get install apt-listbugs (!) See <testing>, <sid>, <sid faq>. |
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| 09:38.50 | dimsuz | it |
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| 09:41.59 | huhmz | dalias: im aware of that, im thinking of diffrent shell utils like cat for example. There used to be a GNU tabs many years ago (the command is available in Solaris, not gnu though) |
| 09:42.33 | huhmz | less has a tabs option but not cat for example, i figure since it used to be possible there has to be a way now too |
| 09:43.03 | dalias | well it depends on your terminal of course |
| 09:43.15 | dalias | xterm surely supports it, you'd just need to lookup the escapes |
| 09:43.24 | dalias | there might be a way to set the tab stops using tput too |
| 09:43.32 | dalias | which would get the right escapes from the terminfo db |
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| 09:44.26 | huhmz | dalias: i have read the man for that but cannot figure it out |
| 09:45.24 | ronr | how can I make incrontab look at subdirectory as well as just the root directory? |
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| 09:47.51 | faber4 | hi everybody |
| 09:48.08 | faber4 | where can i file a bug with the new samba packages ? |
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| 09:50.05 | themill | faber4: run the command reportbug, but check the bts and/or ask about your problem here first. |
| 09:53.12 | Jemt | Is the content of /sys permanent? Or is the folder "re-populated" on boot ? |
| 09:53.33 | Fuzzy | sys is like proc |
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| 09:53.50 | Jemt | Fuzzy: Yes, I read what Stephen wrote :) |
| 09:53.53 | Fuzzy | except it allows more i/o between kernel drivers and userland applications |
| 09:54.08 | Jemt | Fuzzy: But is it permanent? Proc is not |
| 09:54.35 | Fuzzy | how is proc generated? |
| 09:54.50 | Fuzzy | proc is not static at all |
| 09:54.52 | Fuzzy | nor is sysfs |
| 09:54.53 | Jemt | Fuzzy: No sure, but it is populated on boot and by programs |
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| 09:55.03 | Fuzzy | it's not populated at boot like dev |
| 09:55.24 | Fuzzy | it's mounted at boot as a virtual file system that kernel drivers can allocate resources in |
| 09:55.27 | Jemt | Fuzzy: Well, removing everything from /proc dosn't cause problems - it is re-populated at next boot |
| 09:55.40 | Fuzzy | not true |
| 09:55.41 | Jemt | Fuzzy: Ah, yes |
| 09:55.47 | Fuzzy | if you start deleteing things in /proc |
| 09:55.50 | Fuzzy | you'll probally get denied |
| 09:56.08 | Jemt | Fuzzy: Nope. I mounted a harddrive, removed everything in /proc and booted the drive afterwards |
| 09:56.10 | Jemt | Worked fine |
| 09:56.43 | Fuzzy | intersting |
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| 09:56.55 | Fuzzy | well proc and sys is mainly for information |
| 09:56.56 | dalias | /proc does not exist on the hard drive.. |
| 09:57.09 | Fuzzy | hence why they are virtual file systems |
| 09:57.11 | Jemt | Fuzzy: The reason why I want to remove such files are that I install debian using one computer, and wants to use the installation on another computer - I don't want "junk" from the first computer - like drivers, modules, system information etc. from the first computer |
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| 09:57.27 | dalias | jemt, they DO NOT EXIST |
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| 09:57.31 | Fuzzy | Jemt: this isn't windows, don't think like that |
| 09:57.42 | Jemt | Fuzzy: I know - been using Linux for 5 years |
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| 09:57.47 | Fuzzy | it doesn't show |
| 09:57.50 | Jemt | Fuzzy: Just dosn't know the FS very well |
| 09:57.59 | valdyn | !proc |
| 09:57.59 | dpkg | from memory, proc is on Unix-like computer systems, procfs is short for process filesystem: a pseudo-filesystem which is used to access kernel information about processes. Because /proc is not a real file system, it does not consume any storage space, and it consumes only a limited amount of memory. The filesystem is often mounted at /proc. It is supported under Solaris, BSD and Linux, and the latter also extends it to non-process-related data. |
| 09:58.11 | dalias | there is nothing on debian that will prevent you from using the same installation in a different machine except perhaps a kernel that requires a specific cpu |
| 09:58.27 | tecky | can someone explain to me why they went from firefox to iceweasel .... i know it was something to do with the gpl. |
| 09:58.37 | valdyn | tecky: not really |
| 09:58.39 | dalias | tecky, nothing to do with gpl |
| 09:58.39 | Fuzzy | teago-out: actually the mpl |
| 09:58.46 | Fuzzy | err |
| 09:58.48 | themill | !tell tecky about iceweasel |
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| 09:58.55 | Fuzzy | tecky: it was because of the mpl |
| 09:58.55 | dalias | the problem was that debian needed to remove non-free components from firefox |
| 09:58.57 | valdyn | tecky: the firefox name and graphics are just not gpl, they are not free |
| 09:59.09 | Jemt | dalias: Thanks, I know - but I just want to clean up from the installation computer so no information is store from it's hardware |
| 09:59.11 | dalias | and mozilla.org assholes then told debian they could not call the "modified" firefox firefox anymore |
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| 09:59.34 | tecky | ahhhhhh |
| 09:59.43 | tecky | i wondered why the fsck it changed :D |
| 09:59.45 | dalias | jemt, the only place information about your hardware might be stored is in /etc/X11/xorg.conf |
| 09:59.56 | valdyn | or the initrd |
| 09:59.57 | valdyn | or ... |
| 09:59.58 | Fuzzy | that's just the x.org conf |
| 10:00.02 | tecky | i am <3'ng lenny just wonderfully :D |
| 10:00.20 | dalias | valdyn, what's in the initrd? |
| 10:00.20 | Fuzzy | and the initrd shouldn't be fooled with unless you really know what your doing |
| 10:00.23 | Jemt | dalias && Fuzzy : An example: Network interfaces are store in /et/udev/rules.d/z25_persistent-net.rules |
| 10:00.25 | Jemt | etc* |
| 10:00.32 | valdyn | !initrd |
| 10:00.32 | dpkg | somebody said initrd was initial root disk. initial RAM disk, or god's way of punishing you for using a prebuilt kernel image, or ...And you WILL HAVE TO INCLUDE AN INITRD STATEMENT IN YOUR BOOTLOADER (hint, hint). Typically if you can't find your root filesystem, this is your problem. or a great system for those who understand modulesneed/want root in lvm and/or md raid. http://everything2.com/index.pl?node_id=1476230, or make-kpkg --initrd |
| 10:00.44 | valdyn | ok that factoid is trash |
| 10:00.50 | dalias | jemt, well the only place to look for such files is /etc and perhaps /var |
| 10:00.55 | valdyn | dalias: drivers required to load drivers from disk |
| 10:01.02 | Fuzzy | um that dpkg statement is crap |
| 10:01.20 | dalias | fuzzy, it's great :) |
| 10:01.20 | valdyn | dalias: that can be "just" what a specific computer needs, or all or whichever subset |
| 10:01.27 | Jemt | dalias: Never the less - could I, if any files exists within /proc and /sys, remove such files ? |
| 10:01.37 | Fuzzy | initrd / initramfs is used to pre-load block device drivers and setup complex sub systems post kernel init/pre userland init |
| 10:01.44 | dalias | jemt, FOR THE LAST FUCKING TIME, FILES DO NOT EXIST IN /PROC AND /SYS!!!!!! |
| 10:02.02 | Jemt | dalias: It does on my installation! |
| 10:02.05 | dalias | no |
| 10:02.07 | Fuzzy | no |
| 10:02.08 | Jemt | dalias: Can't explain why |
| 10:02.12 | valdyn | Jemt: why cant you understand what /proc contents are? |
| 10:02.13 | Fuzzy | that's a VIRTUAL file system |
| 10:02.18 | dalias | because you're an idiot and refuse to listen to what ppl say |
| 10:02.21 | tecky | VFS for the win ? |
| 10:02.27 | Jemt | Fuzzy: I mount the disk on another running Debian installation, and the folders contain files |
| 10:02.39 | dalias | you probably think when you look in the mirror there's another person on the other side, too...... |
| 10:02.40 | Fuzzy | everything is a file in a linux / unix system |
| 10:02.42 | D_ReaL_PuNiShEr | under my umbrella ella ella ella ella..... |
| 10:02.46 | Fuzzy | in 5 years you couldn't learn that? |
| 10:02.48 | D_ReaL_PuNiShEr | under my umbrella ella ella ella ella..... |
| 10:03.02 | ronr | I got a problem with incron. I want to do something every time a file changes, so I use IN_MODIFY, but incron only runs the first time the file is changed |
| 10:03.04 | jelly | dalias, too much coffee this morning? |
| 10:03.11 | tecky | D_ReaL_PuNiShEr, wtf ? |
| 10:03.37 | Jemt | Fuzzy: Yes, I know that - but if it's a virtual directory, then why does it contain files (or what ever you will call them?) |
| 10:03.44 | Fuzzy | because they are virtual files |
| 10:03.50 | Fuzzy | they don't physically exist |
| 10:03.52 | tecky | dalias, what ... there's no person in the mirror ... |
| 10:03.54 | Fuzzy | they are hooks to kernel drivers |
| 10:04.09 | valdyn | im not sure what makes them particularily virtual |
| 10:04.11 | dalias | jemt, it 'contains' an image of data which exists in the kernel memory of the currently running kernel, reflecting what processes are running, the machine state, etc. |
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| 10:04.17 | valdyn | but that'S not the point anyway |
| 10:04.20 | Fuzzy | proc is a means of allowing kernel drivers to interface with userland on a clean easy playing field |
| 10:04.30 | dalias | these files are NOT STORED ON ANY DISK |
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| 10:04.52 | dalias | when you type cat /proc/cpuinfo |
| 10:05.09 | Fuzzy | it queries a hook in the kernl |
| 10:05.14 | dalias | a special part of the kernel looks at what it probed at boot time, and 'pipes' that data to cat |
| 10:05.24 | Jemt | dalias: Yes, I have gathered that much - but we are talking about another harddisk drive mounted on a running harddisk - and /media/mntpoint/proc/ contains files like - a lot of files |
| 10:05.50 | Jemt | dalias: Sorry, /sys actually does NOT contain files - only /proc does |
| 10:06.04 | valdyn | Jemt: why did you create files in /proc ? |
| 10:06.07 | Jemt | But as you said, neither of them should |
| 10:06.08 | Fuzzy | sounds like someone was drunk and trying to copy proc |
| 10:06.10 | dalias | jemt, maybe you did something idiotic and filled /proc with actual files, which get hidden behind the mount when /proc is mounted... |
| 10:06.13 | DustyBin | for the last month ive upgraded my network to 1000 base speed, although my network never reaches that speed its faster than before. when i woke up this morning, the network lights for my server was off on my switch so i rebooted my server, as it rebooted the whole screen filled with 'auto negotiation failed'. is this a switch problem, NIC problem, NIC driver problem, or network settings problem? |
| 10:06.14 | Jemt | valdyn: I havn't :-S |
| 10:06.14 | dalias | fuzzy, yep.. |
| 10:06.35 | valdyn | Jemt: someone did, or procfs is really mounted at /media/mntpoint/proc/ |
| 10:06.53 | Fuzzy | DustyBin: sounds like hardware failure, work a debug matrix |
| 10:06.55 | dalias | jemt, ls -l /media/mntpoint/proc/ and paste the line for one of the files found in it |
| 10:07.12 | dalias | (not a dir or symlink but an actual file) |
| 10:07.18 | Jemt | dalias: That could be. I performed a base install and afterwards mounted the drive, chroot'ed into it and installed a lot of packages and then unmounted the drive afterwards. This might have caused the problem |
| 10:07.27 | Fuzzy | no |
| 10:07.35 | Jemt | dalias: Ok |
| 10:07.54 | DustyBin | Fuzzy: ive since plugged my server directly into my router what is running at 100 base speed and its been ok so far, its only when i plug it into my netgear 1000 base switch the problem occurs |
| 10:08.10 | Fuzzy | what cable are you using? |
| 10:08.18 | DustyBin | cat6 |
| 10:08.20 | tecky | it sounds like a hardware problem |
| 10:08.26 | Fuzzy | sounds like a hardware problem |
| 10:08.40 | DustyBin | switch or NIC ? |
| 10:08.44 | Fuzzy | work a debug matrix |
| 10:08.49 | tecky | most likely either the nic / the port on the switch |
| 10:08.50 | DustyBin | what is a debug matrix? |
| 10:08.56 | Jemt | dalias: dr-xr-xr-x 4 root root 0 2007-11-27 11:12 tty |
| 10:08.56 | tecky | have you tried moving the cable to a different port on the switch |
| 10:08.57 | Fuzzy | take everything that could be at fault |
| 10:09.03 | DustyBin | yes i tried different port |
| 10:09.07 | DustyBin | ok |
| 10:09.13 | Fuzzy | and isolate it |
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| 10:09.18 | Fuzzy | if it's good then move to the next thing |
| 10:09.18 | dalias | jemt, that's a directory |
| 10:09.26 | dalias | i said NOT a directory |
| 10:09.41 | dalias | anyway that looks virtual to me |
| 10:09.42 | dalias | size is 0 |
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| 10:09.51 | Jemt | Fuzzy: Btw - before I chrooted into the drive, I did: mount -t proc none /media/mntpoint/proc - don't know if that's the problem |
| 10:09.52 | ronr | anyone knows how to get incron to fire every time a file is changed and not just the first time? |
| 10:09.57 | Fuzzy | dalias: i'm not so sure this guy's been using linux for 5 years if he can't even understand the permissions line |
| 10:09.57 | DustyBin | my first job will be to turn off everything, including switch and router |
| 10:10.07 | Jemt | dalias: True, all files are 0 |
| 10:10.11 | Jemt | in size.. |
| 10:10.11 | dalias | jemt, it's not a _problem_ |
| 10:10.17 | Jemt | dalias: Okay |
| 10:10.19 | dalias | it just means that you're worried about a non-issue |
| 10:10.20 | Jemt | I was just wondering |
| 10:10.24 | tecky | DustyBin, we dont really want to know the step by step ... just figure it out on your own ... |
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| 10:10.45 | dalias | btw read your own mount command!!! |
| 10:10.52 | DustyBin | is there a way to turn off auto negotiation on a NIC? |
| 10:10.59 | dalias | mount -t proc ***none*** /media/mntpoint/proc |
| 10:11.03 | Fuzzy | DustyBin: yes read the ifconfig man page |
| 10:11.05 | dalias | notice the NONE |
| 10:11.08 | DustyBin | aye ok |
| 10:11.16 | Jemt | dalias: Though it was some sort of label (?) |
| 10:11.30 | Jemt | dalias: I could have called it "Jemt", couldn't I ? |
| 10:11.31 | dalias | no |
| 10:11.35 | Jemt | dalias: Oh |
| 10:11.39 | dalias | that's the field for the device on which the filesystem resides |
| 10:11.44 | Jemt | dalias: Looks like I have to read up on 'mount' |
| 10:11.47 | dalias | note that there is no device on which it resides |
| 10:11.54 | dalias | because it does not exist on any disk! |
| 10:11.55 | Jemt | dalias: Oh, I see |
| 10:12.03 | Jemt | dalias: That makes sense |
| 10:12.24 | dalias | it's constantly reflecting the state of the currently running kernel and processes |
| 10:12.29 | Jemt | dalias: Thank you very much for explaining this to me - I'm sorry I'm a bit slow :) |
| 10:12.34 | dalias | hehe |
| 10:12.38 | dalias | okay its no problem |
| 10:12.42 | Jemt | :) |
| 10:12.42 | dalias | glad you finally got it |
| 10:12.47 | Jemt | Me too ;) |
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| 10:18.18 | huhmz | dalias: tput can only query terminfo database it seems, not set values, i figured out how i can query the db (tput it) shows the tab width but i cannot for the life of me figure out how to set it without recompiling the termcap database |
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| 10:19.48 | dalias | tput writes the necessary escapes to stdout based on your query |
| 10:19.54 | dalias | which is how you control terminal settings |
| 10:20.09 | axscode | /exec $((20*30)) |
| 10:20.09 | dalias | however terminfo db might not have information on setting tab stops.. |
| 10:20.25 | axscode | nakz.. sowe.. |
| 10:21.07 | dalias | look at the set_tab capability (hts or st) |
| 10:21.59 | dalias | (see man terminfo) |
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| 10:28.09 | extor | http://pastebin.ca/799133 <--- does this look fishy? |
| 10:28.55 | Peanut | In Debian Etch, using top - if my %wa is at 49.7%, does that include waiting for memory access or only waiting for disk? This is single-threaded job on a 2 CPU machine, idle is 50% because of the other CPU, so it seems hardly any actual work is getting done? |
| 10:29.39 | petemc | extor: no |
| 10:29.54 | tecky | Peanut: use htop .... |
| 10:29.58 | extor | rkrootkit warned me about em |
| 10:30.14 | Peanut | tecky: how would that help? |
| 10:30.16 | petemc | false positives, disregard |
| 10:30.41 | tecky | it shows individual proc's seperately ... and looks alot cleaner |
| 10:31.22 | tecky | and is it a actual 2 cpu machine or is it HT ? |
| 10:31.33 | Peanut | tecky: dual opteron 254 |
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| 10:32.07 | DustyBin | the full error message on my server is: skge eth0: autonegotiation failed (remote fault) |
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| 10:32.27 | tecky | DustyBin: did you try a different cable ? |
| 10:32.32 | Peanut | Sounds like autonegotiation is turned off at the switch you're connected to, DustyBin? |
| 10:32.32 | DustyBin | no ill try now |
| 10:33.22 | DustyBin | Peanut: my desktop machine used the exact same asus onboard NIC: 01:04.0 Ethernet controller: Marvell Technology Group Ltd. 88E8001 Gigabit Ethernet Controller (rev 13) and it works ok |
| 10:33.26 | DustyBin | *uses |
| 10:33.57 | DustyBin | ill try the cable test nwo |
| 10:33.58 | Peanut | DustyBin: but are both connected to the same switch? |
| 10:34.21 | DustyBin | my desktop is connected to the switch, my server is now connected directly to my router |
| 10:34.56 | Peanut | A quick test would be to see if autoneg works if you connect the server to the same switch. If it works, then it might be a configuration setting on the router. |
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| 10:36.22 | DustyBin | ok ill pull out my router from the switch and connect the server to it |
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| 10:41.58 | huhmz | dalias: the terminfo database has information about tabstops, but to change it, one has to compile a whole new termdb for the term in question (xterm for example) with the value modified? it cannot be done at runtime? |
| 10:42.17 | dalias | no |
| 10:42.27 | dalias | compiling a new terminfo db would not help in the slightest |
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| 10:42.39 | dalias | the terminfo db contains all the data needed to set the tab stops |
| 10:42.51 | dalias | in the hts capability |
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| 10:44.05 | orveldv | uhm can I keep updating incrementally a debian system for many years, even when testing becomes stable and so on? what about the gcc / gclibc ABI compatibility issues? |
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| 10:44.43 | huhmz | dalias: right i get that... but i don't see how i can change it |
| 10:45.08 | dalias | it sets a tab stop at the current column |
| 10:45.11 | orveldv | s/gclibc/glibc |
| 10:45.22 | huhmz | the terminfo db for a term is a binary file in /lib/terminfo/x/xterm for example |
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| 10:45.48 | dalias | it does not modify the terminfo db |
| 10:45.52 | dalias | doing so would be useless |
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| 10:46.02 | dalias | it outputs commands to modify the state of the terminal |
| 10:46.44 | ronr | I'm trying to make a shellscript that takes a filename as argument, I do if $1 match swp$ as I don't want temporary vim file, but for some reason the script tries to execute $1, what's the correct way? |
| 10:47.25 | orveldv | ronr: /join #bash |
| 10:47.34 | ronr | orveldv: ok |
| 10:48.09 | huhmz | dalias: right, but i don't seem to be able to use tput to change it |
| 10:49.36 | themill | ronr: but put on your asbestos underwear before you go into #bash.... |
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| 10:50.49 | dalias | huhmz, have you tried? |
| 10:50.55 | DustyBin | ive tried different cable, ive tried unplugging everything from the switch apart from the server still getting same error message. the lights on the switch come on for about 10 seconds then go off |
| 10:51.24 | DustyBin | however, if i plug my server into my router what runs at 100 base speed everything is ok |
| 10:52.02 | DustyBin | is it common for a NIC to have a hardware problem only when it runs at a certain speed? |
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| 10:53.03 | DustyBin | i guess this could be down to the cheap onboard ASUS gigabit NIC |
| 10:53.18 | DustyBin | *marvell |
| 10:53.29 | tecky | go go onboard nic! |
| 10:53.56 | DustyBin | i think some good quality gigabit PCI cards are in order.. |
| 10:54.17 | tecky | DustyBin: who'da thunk it! |
| 10:54.22 | huhmz | dalias: oh god yes |
| 10:54.45 | DustyBin | i blame the bastards at Asus :P |
| 10:55.01 | jelly | DustyBin: is the switch manageable? Can you force the port to, say, 1000/full duplex? |
| 10:55.27 | DustyBin | nope its not, its a Netgear ProSafe 8 port gigabit switch |
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| 10:55.39 | DustyBin | GS108, little blue box |
| 10:55.56 | jelly | eh, cheap switch + cheap card = teh lose |
| 10:56.02 | DustyBin | hehe true :P |
| 10:56.19 | DustyBin | strange how its worked for the last month then suddenly stopped working |
| 10:56.31 | jelly | ... my stupid irc client wouldn't make me type teh intentionally |
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| 10:57.50 | harpal | How to set domain name? It asks while installation. bu I havent selected so after that how to enter new? |
| 10:58.16 | jelly | DustyBin: you could also try forcing the speed with ethtool, but somehow I doubt that will work |
| 10:58.25 | Aciid | harpal: hostname yourdomain.com |
| 10:58.28 | Aciid | as root |
| 10:58.33 | Aciid | or use sudo |
| 10:58.41 | harpal | Aciid, ok thanks |
| 10:58.45 | jelly | !domain name |
| 10:58.45 | dpkg | use hostname <hostname> to set the hostname, $EDITOR /etc/hostname to set it for the next boot, and $EDITOR /etc/hosts to set the FQDN, or create /etc/hostname if it doesn't exist, or 'man 1 hostname' |
| 10:58.56 | Aciid | harpal: your quite welcome |
| 10:59.23 | jelly | harpal: you'll want to take care of the "fqdn" bit that dpkg told about |
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| 10:59.45 | harpal | jelly, ok |
| 10:59.46 | landslide | any reason why premake isn't part of debian? |
| 11:00.09 | azeem | what is premkae? |
| 11:00.11 | azeem | premake* |
| 11:00.50 | DustyBin | my desktop card says 'Supports Wake-on: pg' my server card says 'Supports Wake-on: g' |
| 11:00.52 | landslide | http://premake.sourceforge.net/ |
| 11:01.29 | DustyBin | my server says 'Wake-on: d' and my desktop says 'Wake-on: g' |
| 11:02.07 | DustyBin | strange, because my server says it doesnt support wake on d, however its set to wake on d ? |
| 11:02.20 | azeem | landslide: is it used by anything important? |
| 11:03.15 | landslide | juce was where i saw it used. |
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| 11:04.26 | XoX | my keyboard in the console is all scrembeled how do i reset it |
| 11:05.59 | ronr | XoX: setterm -reset |
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| 11:08.02 | themill | landslide: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=262864 |
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| 11:24.22 | vlt | Ohmu: dvd::rip |
| 11:24.43 | vlt | eth01: mv foofoo.conf foofoofoo.conf |
| 11:26.12 | bquorning | Are there any problems using software RAID on a Debian server? Or should I go for hardware RAID instead? |
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| 11:26.52 | DustyBin | im thinking about upgrading my server to lenny because the newer kernel contains drivers work sort out some of my tv card problems for mythtv. my server uses a nvidia card, has that para-virtualization problem been solved yet when using latest kernels? |
| 11:27.46 | wols | DustyBin: bad reason |
| 11:27.53 | CaT[tm] | you could always try rolling your own kernel |
| 11:28.00 | CaT[tm] | or backporting lenny's |
| 11:28.04 | wols | a kernel is easily taken from backports |
| 11:28.14 | wols | or you can build your own as CaT[tm] said |
| 11:28.32 | wols | bquorning: what RAID card? |
| 11:28.49 | DustyBin | ok ill have a think about it |
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| 11:29.41 | CaT[tm] | www.backports.org may be of help |
| 11:30.11 | DustyBin | on my server ive installed lirc and nvidia kernel modules, if i upgrade the kernel for just security fixes, will i need to reinstall those modules? |
| 11:30.32 | wols | DustyBin: usually not |
| 11:30.39 | DustyBin | aye ok |
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| 11:30.45 | wols | depends on the fixes of course. lirc mightg have been fixed for example |
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| 11:31.16 | bquorning | wols: If I'm going for software RAID, I won't buy a RAID card (obviously). For hardware RAID, it would probably be RAID 1, using SAS 5iR (server is a Dell PE860) |
| 11:31.17 | wols | often (if you force) you can even load a module made for a differen kernel version |
| 11:31.44 | bquorning | I'm so new to RAID that I don't know if I make any sense ;-) |
| 11:32.18 | wols | bquorning: pretty much all SATA mobo built in RAID chips are fakeraid |
| 11:32.26 | wols | in which case you can only use software raid |
| 11:32.35 | wols | and Linux' raid is stable and working fine |
| 11:33.47 | bquorning | wols: So you recommend connecting 2 identical hard drives to the mobo and using Linux raid? |
| 11:34.06 | bquorning | wols: Do you know a place where I can read more on Debian's raid? |
| 11:34.59 | wols | !ig |
| 11:34.59 | dpkg | I heard "ig" is Installation Guide .. see http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/installmanual for Etch 4.0r1 (Stable as of August 15, 2007) .. or see http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/installmanual for now oldstable Sarge (3.1 ... 3.1r5). Lenny is now the new Testing! |
| 11:35.11 | |Virtus| | did someone say raid? |
| 11:35.19 | bquorning | :-) thanks |
| 11:35.33 | wols | bquorning: debian can be installed to raid via expertgui boot parameter on install cd |
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| 11:36.03 | wols | |Virtus|: careful or someohne raids your panties. wouldn't want that |
| 11:37.04 | wols | which is why we don't want anyone to raid them. he might see what's usually unedr them, and the he'd be scared for life |
| 11:38.25 | tarzeau | wow APT 16.4 is out ;) http://www.stsci.edu/hst/proposing/apt/installation/linux |
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| 11:39.11 | bquorning | wols: Thanks for your help. I'll be reading the RAID sections of the installation guide. |
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| 11:48.02 | Ohmu | mplayer's not responding... how can i kill it? |
| 11:48.34 | salvin | killall mplayer |
| 11:50.04 | Ohmu | mplayer: no process killed |
| 11:50.07 | Ohmu | can i list the processes and kill hte relevant one:? |
| 11:50.09 | Ohmu | maybe the name is different |
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| 11:51.01 | cypromis | how do I specify as which user a fle has to get installed in a .deb ? |
| 11:51.12 | cypromis | as in do I create a script manualy for installation in rules ? |
| 11:51.25 | cypromis | or can I specify it for the whole package ? |
| 11:51.34 | salvin | Ohmu, ps aux |
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| 11:53.03 | Ohmu | thanks |
| 11:53.08 | cypromis | packaging drives me insane |
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| 11:56.41 | berzerka | hi there. i have just been logged in to a system where /etc/passwd contains a suspicious line reading "+::::::::". is that something common or should i investigate further? |
| 11:56.43 | ekimus | hmm i just install oracle-xe did the "/etc/init.d/oracle-xe configure" and it hangs with "Configuring Database..." anyone knows where to start investigating? the machine has 1GB ram and 1GB swap so that should be enough for idleing around (even for oracle) |
| 11:56.58 | ekimus | berzerka: that is not normal |
| 11:57.05 | berzerka | i thought so. |
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| 11:58.08 | berzerka | i must admin it was a SuSE (ugh..) machine, maybe it is normal over there^^ i will ask in that channel.. |
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| 12:02.29 | ekimus | berzerka: THAT is not normal, in no distro |
| 12:02.50 | Dark_Apostrophe | Hello |
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| 12:03.00 | susanne- | i'm using x over vnc. the keymap is jacked. eg, when i type "this is a test" i get "nklb7lb7a7ngbn". doesn't happen at console, or in ssh. does happen in both gnome and icewm. where to look? |
| 12:03.09 | berzerka | ekimus: i have just been told it is normal if you are using NIS. |
| 12:03.20 | Dark_Apostrophe | I just got a Labtec WebCam, which is listed as working on http://mxhaard.free.fr/spca5xx.html |
| 12:03.30 | ekimus | berzerka: you use NIS? |
| 12:03.36 | Dark_Apostrophe | How do I use it? Never used a webcam under Linux before. |
| 12:03.42 | berzerka | ekimus: no, but that system obviously did :) |
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| 12:12.19 | bquorning | On my server, I have one user account for each application I'm running. One application (Zope/Plone) is using python2.4, while the other is running python2.5. How do I make sure that the command python can be used correctly by both? Is an alias in ~/.bashrc enough? |
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| 12:13.04 | infinity0 | uh does anyone know of a recovery/undelete tool for ext3? |
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| 12:14.42 | ronr | infinity0: vim /dev/sda1 ;) |
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| 12:15.08 | berzerka | bquorning: depends on wether you log in separately for the different users/applications. how do you start the apps (as a specific user)? |
| 12:15.18 | infinity0 | ronr: what? |
| 12:16.10 | DawnLight | ya right |
| 12:16.34 | berzerka | infinity0: that was a joke, he told you to edit the partition's device file by hand to recover your data.. |
| 12:16.35 | bquorning | berzerka: What would you recommend? I haven't got the server running yet, so anything is still possible :-) |
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| 12:17.06 | man_in_shack | having some trouble with configuring my timezone |
| 12:17.23 | man_in_shack | somehow it's been set to UTC, but i'm in australian EST |
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| 12:18.11 | man_in_shack | running debian sid |
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| 12:18.52 | DawnLight | man_in_shack: don't use sid |
| 12:19.21 | man_in_shack | why not? |
| 12:19.28 | DawnLight | !sid |
| 12:19.28 | dpkg | the <unstable> version of Debian. Commonly backronymed Still In Development. It's actually named for the destructive neighbour kid in Toy Story. Ask me about <unstable>. Do not use sid unless you have the skill to find your way out of the mess that broken packages may put you in. It will never be released. See <sid faq> |
| 12:20.03 | man_in_shack | oh right |
| 12:20.12 | man_in_shack | i thought you had a reason i didn't already know about |
| 12:20.22 | man_in_shack | like something that would actually be productive |
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| 12:20.36 | eth01 | !etch |
| 12:20.36 | dpkg | Etch is the code name for the current stable Debian release, version 4.0, released on April 8th, 2007. Ask me about <install debian>. Please read the release notes at http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/releasenotes which also contain the upgrade procedure for upgrading from the previous version of Debian stable (<sarge>). |
| 12:20.36 | DawnLight | using etch may be productive |
| 12:20.44 | ronr | infinity0: that's edit your partition (which is a very very very very very very very very extremele expert way of undeleteing something) |
| 12:20.44 | berzerka | bquorning: i don't know your system and which applications you are running and for which purpose. do you plan to set the user id by a program you write your own and then exec? or "normally" start them from a shell you are logged in? |
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| 12:21.46 | infinity0 | ronr: that's highly not funny. |
| 12:21.47 | bquorning | berzerka: I think I'll start them "normally" from a shell. |
| 12:21.55 | man_in_shack | DawnLight: is my timezone problem a known and unfixable problem with sid? |
| 12:22.23 | DawnLight | man_in_shack: i don't know, sorry |
| 12:22.38 | man_in_shack | DawnLight: then don't tell me to use stable |
| 12:22.38 | ronr | infinity0: sorry, sorta expected everybody to know what it meant, I shouldn't expect such things |
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| 12:23.16 | DawnLight | man_in_shack: i know that if you were using stable then either i or someone would've helped you by now |
| 12:23.16 | ronr | infinity0: maybe http://std.dkuug.dk/keld/readme-salvage.html works for you |
| 12:23.49 | DawnLight | man_in_shack: more likely you wouldn't have had this problem |
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| 12:24.02 | iguanna | hi all, if i want to get a out of a command in english language how do i say it to debian? |
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| 12:24.28 | yos87 | Hi |
| 12:24.28 | Dark_Apostrophe | Hello |
| 12:24.28 | man_in_shack | DawnLight: and i also would have a broken glade, deluge, and plenty other old versions of applications |
| 12:24.30 | berzerka | bquorning: well if you change the user of your shell session by a "su - username" (after which you have to type the user's password), it will probably suffice to put it in ~username/.bashrc |
| 12:24.36 | Dark_Apostrophe | Can anyone please help me get my webcam working? |
| 12:24.40 | mkl1525 | Hi, I've an array that contains some strings $test_array = array('abc', 'def', 'ghi') now I'd like to check if any of these strings are in $text = 'asfdfsdfgdgdfggfd' - I'd use an foreach loop but is there something better? |
| 12:24.46 | eth01 | salvage rarely works... tbh |
| 12:24.56 | Dark_Apostrophe | It's a cheap Labtec WebCam, and is supposed to work with the spca5xx driver |
| 12:25.04 | eth01 | mkl1525: ##PHP |
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| 12:25.32 | bquorning | berzerka: Ok. I'll try it out. thanks. |
| 12:25.51 | mkl1525 | eth01 sorry wrong window :( |
| 12:26.11 | yos87 | I have question, how can I know my pc IP address when I'm outside? |
| 12:26.15 | dbmoodb | hi just a q i have a laptop that is running as a server after a few days it overheats - but it takes a few and in that time it is not hot any ideas ? (used i8kmon to auto then was trying i8kct... to put the fans on max....)- the harddisk area is especially hot |
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| 12:26.19 | dbmoodb | yos87 |
| 12:26.24 | eth01 | yos87: http://ipalien.com |
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| 12:26.29 | dbmoodb | !ddns |
| 12:26.46 | dbmoodb | !dynamicnameserver |
| 12:26.50 | dbmoodb | !dyndns |
| 12:26.50 | dpkg | dyndns provides hostnames for dynamic/static ips for free: http://www.dyndns.org/, or apt-get install ddclient |
| 12:26.53 | dbmoodb | there |
| 12:27.03 | eth01 | dbmoodb: ..... |
| 12:27.14 | dbmoodb | well mine is long term |
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| 12:28.04 | snikker | how can i exclude a specified files and directories with find command? ("-type f d" don't work) |
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| 12:28.22 | phogg | snikker: -not -name '*foo*' |
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| 12:28.58 | yos87 | eth01, dbmoodb, no, I'm mean, when I'm outside, I want to know the ip address of my pc at home, it's changing at home |
| 12:29.06 | dbmoodb | what |
| 12:29.07 | DustyBin | how do you unload kernel modules? |
| 12:29.15 | DustyBin | depmod -r ? |
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| 12:29.17 | dbmoodb | ifconfig ? |
| 12:29.28 | ApTek | rmmod |
| 12:29.33 | phogg | snikker: or for types: find / -not -type f -and -not -type d |
| 12:29.44 | stew | DustyBin: modprobe -r |
| 12:29.51 | DustyBin | thanks |
| 12:29.58 | man_in_shack | how do you configure timezones in debian? |
| 12:30.28 | infinity0 | ronr: it doesn't help, this is ext3 and that says e2fsprogs |
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| 12:30.44 | infinity0 | plus it's an older version, i've got e2fsprofs 1.40 |
| 12:30.48 | stew | snikker: "find /some/dir -path '*/ignorethisdirectory*' -prune -o -type f" is another way |
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| 12:32.03 | yos87 | I mean, what package should I install at home, to inform me about the ip when I'm outside |
| 12:32.22 | dbmoodb | you don't want to use ddclient ? |
| 12:32.37 | dbmoodb | that way you can get your ip .... |
| 12:32.45 | dbmoodb | by simply resolving the host... |
| 12:32.58 | phogg | stew: it is unclear from the man page exactly what prune is for. Can you explain it? |
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| 12:33.30 | yos87 | dbmoodb: what is the ddclient? I don't know it |
| 12:33.40 | yos87 | dbmoodb: the host also sometimes change |
| 12:33.56 | dbmoodb | !dyndns |
| 12:33.56 | dpkg | dyndns provides hostnames for dynamic/static ips for free: http://www.dyndns.org/, or apt-get install ddclient |
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| 12:34.28 | pariviere | hello I've installed syslog-ng and slapd on a debian etch 64bits box and these services don't start at boot |
| 12:34.35 | phogg | stew: nevermind, -wholename explains it better |
| 12:34.51 | pariviere | init script are working well (/etc/init.d/syslog-ng start, ....) |
| 12:34.57 | pariviere | and I think symlink are OK |
| 12:35.03 | pariviere | find /etc/rc* -name "*syslog*" |
| 12:35.03 | pariviere | /etc/rc0.d/K20syslog-ng |
| 12:35.03 | pariviere | /etc/rc1.d/K20syslog-ng |
| 12:35.03 | pariviere | /etc/rc2.d/S20syslog-ng |
| 12:35.03 | pariviere | /etc/rc3.d/S20syslog-ng |
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| 12:35.08 | man_in_shack | dpkg has been more help than everyone else |
| 12:35.19 | vampirefrog | yak yak yak |
| 12:35.26 | yos87 | dbmoodb: ok, Thank you, I'll install ddclient at home when I go |
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| 12:35.36 | vampirefrog | a kick in the buttcenter for you |
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| 12:35.44 | ronr | infinity0: I'm afraid you're screwed, if the data is really really really valueable, you could try to find someone capable of restoring something by editing the filesystem (but that's a very difficult job that requires very rare skills) |
| 12:35.46 | snikker | phogg, stew: thank you! now i try :) |
| 12:35.49 | man_in_shack | and dpkg-reconfigure tzdata << configure timezones |
| 12:35.50 | pariviere | yep sorry for the paste :/ |
| 12:36.11 | pariviere | is there's something I can check? nothing in the log, neither in dmesg :/ |
| 12:36.17 | man_in_shack | DawnLight: and it turns out i'd still have this problem if i had stuck with etch |
| 12:36.40 | yos87 | dbmoodb: it's free? |
| 12:37.00 | stew | pariviere: do the services start if you run "/etc/init.d/whatver start"? |
| 12:37.08 | pariviere | yep |
| 12:37.30 | pariviere | both syslog-ng and slapd start with init scripts |
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| 12:40.52 | dokma | hi. how to tell which nameserver nslookup contacted? |
| 12:41.35 | tarzeau | dokma: sniff for them? usually those in /etc/resolv.conf |
| 12:41.50 | dokma | hmmm, ok thank you |
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| 12:41.55 | Peanut | Actually, plain nslookup tells you which nameserver it used. |
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| 12:42.16 | Peanut | Just type 'nslookup www.jive.nl' and read the output. |
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| 12:43.19 | dokma | hmm, yes |
| 12:43.27 | dokma | it says 127.0.0.1 |
| 12:43.30 | dokma | as the nameserver |
| 12:43.40 | DustyBin | ive upgraded my kernel to 2.6.18-5 and it broke nvidia modules, lirc and video4linux, ive solved lirc + nvidia, but when i try and compile video4linux i get this error: http://paste.linux-noob.com/index.php?query=2406 |
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| 12:43.47 | dokma | I'm asking because two different machines are giving me two different answers |
| 12:43.51 | tarzeau | dokma: and is 127.0.0.1 running a nameserver? |
| 12:43.53 | Peanut | That's localhost, your own server - is it configured as a nameserver? |
| 12:43.55 | dokma | probably because the domain has not propagated |
| 12:44.06 | dokma | tarzeau: I'm running pdnsd |
| 12:44.13 | dokma | but I cleared the cache |
| 12:44.19 | Peanut | Oh, is that power-dns? |
| 12:44.29 | dokma | don't know the full name |
| 12:44.30 | tarzeau | dokma: i love http://www.rscott.org/dns/ |
| 12:44.33 | dokma | it's a dns cache |
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| 12:45.51 | dokma | tarzeau: excellent! |
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| 12:45.58 | dokma | just what I needed to read |
| 12:47.35 | dbmoodb | ? |
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| 12:52.33 | ekimus | lenny is testing right? |
| 12:52.43 | tarzeau | ekimus: yes |
| 12:54.00 | ekimus | dokma: use dig (from dnsutils) "dig your.server ANY +noall +answer +authority" usually works for me |
| 12:54.22 | dokma | ekimus: thank you. I used nslookup |
| 12:54.28 | dokma | and it was very good |
| 12:54.33 | dokma | got just what I needed |
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| 12:54.46 | ekimus | dokma: also you might want to try dig your.server NS to see which nameservers will be contacted by other clients |
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| 12:55.27 | _zz | Hi, i'm trying to install a small s/w entity on my server but it tells me that i need a newer version of libxml. what would the apt-get command be to upgrade libxml? |
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| 12:56.47 | dokma | ekimus: ok |
| 12:56.49 | dokma | will do |
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| 12:57.14 | _zz | Hi, i'm trying to install a small s/w entity on my server but it says that i need a newer version of libxml. What would the apt-get command be to do this? |
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| 12:58.01 | ekimus | _zz: apt-get install <yourpackage> or apt-get install <yourpackage-dev> if you compile from source.... |
| 12:59.00 | _zz | ekimus: i have already done that for my package but i get the error when i run a script in the bin dir of the app |
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| 13:01.12 | ekimus | _zz: if you use stable you won't get updates to that package for the time of the release so either use backports.org or compile from source |
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| 13:01.40 | stew | _zz: what exactly is the error you get? |
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| 13:03.28 | _zz | stew: XML::LibXML version 1.62 required--this is only version 1.59 at /usr/share/eprints3/perl_lib/EPrints/XML/LibXML.pm line 46. |
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| 13:05.05 | stew | _zz: you can backport libxml-libxml-perl from sid: /msg dpkg simple sid backport |
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| 13:09.07 | dbmoodb | dark dark dark dark |
| 13:09.17 | dbmoodb | turns on the light to remove the dark users |
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| 13:11.00 | Gun_Smoke | Guys/Gals I've looked all over the forums and google.. I would like to rename the the two partitions I have on a usb hd. Right now they are just name by their volume. eg 95.0 GB Volume.. I would like to change this. |
| 13:11.21 | Gun_Smoke | Meaning when they are mounted on the Desktop. |
| 13:11.39 | dbmoodb | what? |
| 13:11.44 | dbmoodb | you want to rename them ? |
| 13:11.47 | dbmoodb | right click |
| 13:11.49 | mbroeker | Gun_Smoke, what kind of filesystem is on the partitons? |
| 13:12.36 | Gun_Smoke | mbroeker: ext3 one, and NTFS the other.. I will be dumping the NTFS soon. |
| 13:13.23 | Gun_Smoke | dbmoodb: Right clicking doesn't do it.. I've already tried. |
| 13:14.13 | dbmoodb | really |
| 13:14.25 | dbmoodb | ..... ok just unmount them |
| 13:14.34 | mbroeker | Gun_Smoke, you can change the labels of the ext3 partition either with right-click as root or the tune2fs prog |
| 13:14.36 | dbmoodb | and mount them on /media/*- you choose the name |
| 13:14.47 | dbmoodb | lol |
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| 13:15.12 | synth667 | hay there |
| 13:15.37 | Gun_Smoke | dbmoodb: they are mounted to /media/usbdisk/ On the desktop however they are named by their volume. |
| 13:15.46 | synth667 | cause of getting no anwser from #suse, can anyone tell me a good channel about sles? |
| 13:15.47 | Gun_Smoke | mbroeker: Thanks I'll give that a shot. |
| 13:15.53 | mbroeker | ntfs labels are better renamed with proper xp installation or whatever you use nativlely for it |
| 13:15.53 | synth667 | suse linux enterprise server |
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| 13:16.58 | dbmoodb | !ubuntu |
| 13:16.58 | dpkg | Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu (irc.freenode.net) instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. |
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| 13:17.01 | dbmoodb | !opensuse |
| 13:17.03 | Gun_Smoke | mbroeker: Well I don't even really need the ntfs partition.. I made it for something I thought I would need and turns out I didn't.. I will dump that volume back into ext3 as soon as I can. |
| 13:17.03 | dbmoodb | !suse |
| 13:17.03 | dpkg | well, suse is a linux distribution that can be found at http://www.suse.com, or german, open source, *nix. . . you do the math. the root of all that is wrong and evil, or #suse, or see http://www.omahns-home.co.uk/downloads/sles9.png |
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| 13:17.21 | ekimus | hmm anyone using ATA over Ethernet? I want to "unexport" a blockdevice but killing the vbladed doesn't do anything. aoe-stat still shows the devices on the target host |
| 13:17.53 | tralala | dbmoodb, what are you doing? |
| 13:18.07 | dbmoodb | telling people off for thinking debian gives other distro support |
| 13:18.12 | dbmoodb | in most cases |
| 13:18.16 | synth667 | thx |
| 13:18.35 | dbmoodb | if synth had asked a specific q i might have answered it |
| 13:18.45 | synth667 | hmm |
| 13:18.56 | dbmoodb | he asked about what irc channel to use |
| 13:19.04 | dbmoodb | after he tried #suse |
| 13:19.12 | tralala | dbmoodb, also spamming the channel, cosider !tell |
| 13:19.17 | stew | dbmoodb: please /msg the bot |
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| 13:19.44 | tralala | consider |
| 13:20.01 | mbroeker | someone kicks me all the time from this server... |
| 13:20.12 | snacky | that's me |
| 13:20.19 | mbroeker | and why, snacky ? |
| 13:20.27 | stew | mbroeker: if you are having trouble with the irc network, ask in #freenode |
| 13:20.28 | dbmoodb | eh |
| 13:20.32 | snacky | to remind you that all good things come to an end |
| 13:20.34 | dbmoodb | spamming hardly |
| 13:20.57 | tralala | mbroeker, mbroeker [n=mbroeker@Q030d.q.pppool.de] has quit [Nick collision from services.]. Apparently you're using somebody else's nick |
| 13:21.16 | stew | dbmoodb: having the bot dump a bunch of stuff to the channel about suse is not an effective way to keep the channel on-topic |
| 13:21.32 | mbroeker | tralala, no, i have kicked that nick myself with the ghost command. |
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| 13:21.59 | ekimus | synth667: out of interest: doesn't sles normally provide support? |
| 13:22.44 | stew | ekimus: synth667: please take the suse discussions to a more appropriate channel |
| 13:23.02 | synth667 | yes.. but someone asked me if i can do this, and i have to give an awnser |
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| 13:23.49 | tralala | you never have to give answers - not even in a court trial |
| 13:24.08 | ekimus | stew: what discussion? yes/no questions about other distros are not allowed in here? |
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| 13:24.53 | stew | ekimus: i'm talking about the sles discussion |
| 13:25.40 | mib_force | hey, is it possible to tell the perl CPAN to use /usr/share/perl as install dir for modules instead of /usr/local/share? |
| 13:26.17 | valdyn | mib_force: why the hell? |
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| 13:26.23 | valdyn | mib_force: trying to break debian? |
| 13:26.26 | stew | mib_force: after you are sure that the module that you need isn't already packaged in debian, use dh-make-perl to convert the cpan module to a .deb |
| 13:26.46 | mib_force | i mostly use apt-get to install perl modules |
| 13:27.04 | mib_force | BUT, if u i'm trying to use the cpan shell to install some other modules, some modules are installed twice |
| 13:27.11 | mib_force | just had the problem with Compress::Zlib |
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| 13:27.34 | stew | mib_force: this is why you should use dh-make-perl instead of using cpan directly |
| 13:27.42 | mib_force | hm.. |
| 13:28.21 | RickyWh | after installing a basic debian etch, most people will run 'apt-get install ssh' to enable ssh. what is the difference between running that command and this one? apt-get install ssh openssh-server |
| 13:28.47 | mib_force | stew: so how it's being used? |
| 13:28.48 | stew | RickyWh: ssh would install both openssh-server and openssh-client |
| 13:28.55 | valdyn | RickyWh: "apt-cache show <package>" |
| 13:29.06 | stew | mib_force: what do you mean? |
| 13:29.06 | mib_force | stew: i download the package manually, and then use dh-make-perl on it? |
| 13:29.33 | RickyWh | stew: so both commands do the same? |
| 13:29.37 | mib_force | where package = perl module package :) |
| 13:29.45 | tralala | mib_force, you could try that or you could try reading the manuals |
| 13:29.50 | stew | RickyWh: no, one installs just openssh-server, one installs both openssh-server and openssh-client |
| 13:30.01 | RickyWh | ahh k |
| 13:30.05 | RickyWh | thanks |
| 13:30.12 | stew | mib_force: that is one possibility, another is to just tell it the name of the module and it downloads for you |
| 13:30.31 | mib_force | yeah thx |
| 13:30.36 | mib_force | sounds quite better |
| 13:30.54 | mib_force | thx for your help |
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| 13:32.06 | mib_force | stew: tho it would be nice, to be able to use the cpan shell |
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| 13:39.25 | ekimus | stew: why? (no ssh-server without a client?) |
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| 13:40.41 | onvsop | Hey :) - i am having trouble with my ati radeon and DRI, has anyone here got this setup running, i am running Testing |
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| 13:41.28 | onvsop | it's drivig me crazy :D |
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| 13:42.12 | dbmoodb | sure |
| 13:42.14 | stew | ekimus: i'm not sure what you are asking. are you asking why someone would want the server without the client? |
| 13:42.18 | dbmoodb | what driver are you using ? |
| 13:42.22 | dbmoodb | and what card is it? |
| 13:42.52 | onvsop | im using the fglrx driver and it's a radeon x800 gto |
| 13:42.52 | ekimus | stew: exactly |
| 13:42.57 | onvsop | cheers dbmoodb ;) |
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| 13:43.26 | dbmoodb | using the latest driver ? |
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| 13:43.39 | stew | ekimus: perhaps to save space on a space limited embedded device, maybe for security reasons |
| 13:43.47 | onvsop | im using the drievr from testing |
| 13:43.49 | onvsop | driver |
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| 13:43.56 | onvsop | not unstable |
| 13:44.07 | themill | onvsop: what kernel? |
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| 13:44.11 | dbmoodb | oh mmm.... |
| 13:44.19 | onvsop | is that bad? |
| 13:44.32 | dbmoodb | not up todate with this |
| 13:45.23 | onvsop | themill: running kernel 2.6.22-2 |
| 13:45.33 | onvsop | the problem is |
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| 13:46.00 | onvsop | openGL provider/renderer is mesa |
| 13:46.00 | dbmoodb | what does the official fglrx driver from their site do ? |
| 13:46.02 | dbmoodb | tried that ? |
| 13:46.14 | dbmoodb | oh... that should be happening onv |
| 13:46.16 | onvsop | shouldnt it be set to ati opengl |
| 13:46.28 | dbmoodb | yes |
| 13:46.32 | dbmoodb | or sgi |
| 13:46.36 | onvsop | is there a way to change it? |
| 13:46.37 | dbmoodb | i think it used to be as well |
| 13:46.50 | onvsop | i know in other distributions you can go opengl-update |
| 13:46.55 | dbmoodb | really ? |
| 13:47.00 | onvsop | yeah to switch |
| 13:47.13 | onvsop | swith which opengl renderer to use |
| 13:47.25 | dbmoodb | i would try the ati driver from the ati site |
| 13:47.27 | themill | onvsop: what output do you get from fglrxinfo |
| 13:47.28 | dbmoodb | and see what happens |
| 13:47.52 | dbmoodb | the testing one might be broken or different right now - maybe ? |
| 13:47.54 | themill | dbmoodb: please don't tell people to use the driver directly from the ati site. It's poorly integrated with debian and tends to break things. |
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| 13:48.06 | onvsop | thats what i was thinking |
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| 13:48.10 | dbmoodb | - the mill i said try it |
| 13:48.14 | dbmoodb | not use it |
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| 13:48.20 | onvsop | hey brb guys :) thanks for your help |
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| 13:49.00 | themill | dbmoodb: the act of running their installer tends to break the already installed debian X packages. |
| 13:49.12 | dbmoodb | oh |
| 13:49.13 | dbmoodb | sucks |
| 13:49.17 | themill | dbmoodb: it's not really possible to just "try" it. |
| 13:49.20 | dbmoodb | i have done it on my debian box before |
| 13:49.29 | dbmoodb | using etch and the fglrx from ati |
| 13:49.38 | dbmoodb | didn't do anything that productive |
| 13:49.46 | themill | you can get away with it... but the packaged driver is a much better idea |
| 13:49.48 | dbmoodb | got a gdm session but not tty |
| 13:49.56 | dbmoodb | lol |
| 13:50.04 | dbmoodb | it was the strangest thing ever |
| 13:50.31 | zeier | I have an usb webcam and want to distribute the images via ftp or scp to my server. I am searching for a good (and perhaps still maintained) program which may do this (in console, no gui). I tried "webcam", which unfortunately does not support ftp-keep-alive, and "camE" which worked quiet well, but still has strange behaviour. (wants to get tmp-file which was deleted before and so on). Do you know good alternatives for "webcam" and "camE"? |
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| 13:50.32 | ekimus | is tzconfig gone in lenny? |
| 13:51.03 | dbmoodb | zeier - back using duplicity and dump the webcam stuff to a file |
| 13:51.14 | dbmoodb | just dump the recording every few minutes |
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| 13:51.37 | zeier | and the upload? |
| 13:51.38 | onvsop | hey sorry about that :) |
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| 13:51.43 | dbmoodb | oh onvsop your an iinet user |
| 13:51.49 | onvsop | :D |
| 13:51.51 | dbmoodb | lol |
| 13:51.54 | onvsop | howcome |
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| 13:52.02 | dbmoodb | well you could try an old flgrx from etch maybe |
| 13:52.20 | onvsop | the output of fglrxinfo is: |
| 13:52.20 | dbmoodb | - if that would feck with his installation less - not sure about that - anyone want to comment |
| 13:52.25 | dbmoodb | - also onvsop |
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| 13:52.34 | onvsop | Xlib: extension "XFree86-DRI" missing on display ":0.0". |
| 13:52.34 | onvsop | display: :0.0 screen: 0 |
| 13:52.34 | onvsop | OpenGL vendor string: Mesa project: www.mesa3d.org |
| 13:52.34 | onvsop | OpenGL renderer string: Mesa GLX Indirect |
| 13:52.35 | onvsop | OpenGL version string: 1.4 (2.1 Mesa 7.0.1) |
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| 13:52.36 | dbmoodb | i think duplicity does it over ssh already dude |
| 13:52.43 | dbmoodb | oh... |
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| 13:52.49 | onvsop | oops |
| 13:52.52 | onvsop | lol |
| 13:52.52 | dbmoodb | lsmod |grep fglrx |
| 13:52.54 | onvsop | soz |
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| 13:53.05 | onvsop | gives me nothing |
| 13:53.07 | onvsop | :( |
| 13:53.09 | themill | !tell dbmoodb about paste |
| 13:53.13 | dbmoodb | ? |
| 13:53.15 | dbmoodb | that wasn't me |
| 13:53.19 | onvsop | it was me sorry |
| 13:53.22 | dbmoodb | i didn't spam then you fucker |
| 13:53.41 | dbmoodb | i am the fucker doing it 98% of the time tho |
| 13:53.48 | onvsop | thy is it using Mesa GLX Inderect? |
| 13:53.50 | onvsop | why |
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| 13:53.57 | dbmoodb | because its not using your fglrx driver |
| 13:54.08 | onvsop | lol, how do i make it do so |
| 13:54.13 | dbmoodb | it's not using the ati driver dude - did you reconfigure x ? |
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| 13:54.19 | onvsop | yes |
| 13:54.21 | dbmoodb | i think there is an ati command |
| 13:54.27 | dbmoodb | fglrxconfgiure or aticonfigure |
| 13:54.31 | onvsop | ohhh |
| 13:54.50 | dbmoodb | something like that |
| 13:54.51 | onvsop | i see |
| 13:54.53 | dbmoodb | just tab to find it |
| 13:55.02 | onvsop | ye :0 got it trying now - thanks dbmoodb |
| 13:55.07 | onvsop | ohh yeah - fingers crossed |
| 13:55.14 | dbmoodb | not sure what it is called tho lol |
| 13:55.18 | onvsop | aticonfig |
| 13:55.40 | dbmoodb | you can also and debian suggests i think to dpkg reconfigure x most of the time |
| 13:55.42 | themill | dbmoodb: oops... wrong nick ;( |
| 13:55.47 | dbmoodb | lol |
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| 13:56.36 | onvsop | dbmoodb: you mean dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg? |
| 13:56.41 | cusco | dpkg-reconfigure xsever-xorg and chose fglrx as the driver |
| 13:56.45 | dbmoodb | i said dpkg reconfigure xorg |
| 13:56.46 | onvsop | i have don that |
| 13:56.49 | dbmoodb | not the command line |
| 13:56.53 | dbmoodb | lol |
| 13:57.05 | dbmoodb | yeah - i think you should try the ati first |
| 13:57.11 | dbmoodb | that way you can blame it |
| 13:57.11 | dbmoodb | lol |
| 13:57.16 | onvsop | i have also noticed that it skips the bit about which modules to load |
| 13:57.23 | dbmoodb | !testing |
| 13:57.23 | dpkg | [testing] a release/suite between <stable> and <unstable>. testing currently points to <lenny>. See http://www.linuxmafia.com/debian/testingfaq.html for frequently asked questions about testing. Also check out http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2000/12/msg00011.html for the initial release. Ask me about <etch->lenny>, or a few days old glorified unstable with missing packages |
| 13:57.46 | onvsop | dbmoodb: what to you mean by - dpkg reconfigure xorg |
| 13:58.00 | themill | onvsop: rather than using aticonfig, follow the instructions you get from /msg dpkg drxx |
| 13:58.00 | dbmoodb | i meant use dpkg to reconfigure it like you said |
| 13:58.09 | onvsop | ohh - hehe ;) |
| 13:58.14 | dbmoodb | lol |
| 13:58.36 | dbmoodb | :) --> compiz fusion |
| 13:59.03 | onvsop | everything seems fine |
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| 13:59.07 | onvsop | ;( |
| 13:59.13 | onvsop | stupid thing |
| 13:59.21 | dbmoodb | now ? |
| 13:59.28 | onvsop | same |
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| 13:59.37 | onvsop | aticonfig --initial --input=/etc/X11/xorg.conf |
| 13:59.50 | onvsop | that gives me: Found fglrx primary device section |
| 13:59.58 | onvsop | nothing to do, terminating |
| 14:00.07 | onvsop | already had it setup right |
| 14:00.20 | dbmoodb | lol |
| 14:00.34 | onvsop | wht the feck does it not use ati's opengl |
| 14:00.36 | dbmoodb | then where was your dri |
| 14:00.45 | dbmoodb | lsmod |grep f... |
| 14:00.59 | onvsop | ? |
| 14:01.02 | Fadoski | do you have correct permissions for dri? |
| 14:01.14 | onvsop | hrmm |
| 14:01.16 | onvsop | :o |
| 14:01.25 | Fadoski | look at your xorg.conf |
| 14:01.27 | onvsop | good question Fadoski |
| 14:01.28 | dbmoodb | lsmod and look for the driver |
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| 14:01.34 | onvsop | what should i be loking for |
| 14:01.36 | dbmoodb | and dmesg might tell you something too |
| 14:01.36 | onvsop | looking |
| 14:01.46 | dbmoodb | and do what fadoski said first |
| 14:01.50 | Fadoski | onvsop: ill pm it for you |
| 14:01.55 | onvsop | thakns Fadoski :D |
| 14:01.59 | cusco | onvsop: if you arlready set it up, just restart X (pex alt + ctrl + backspace) |
| 14:02.13 | dbmoodb | lol or just logout |
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| 14:02.20 | onvsop | set what up - LOL |
| 14:02.28 | onvsop | i havent changed anything |
| 14:02.29 | cusco | dmesg will only show the module loaded after restareting xorg |
| 14:02.31 | dbmoodb | hits head |
| 14:02.35 | onvsop | lol |
| 14:02.44 | cusco | .... |
| 14:02.48 | onvsop | but i havent changed anything, what is restarting x gonna fix? |
| 14:02.48 | onvsop | lol |
| 14:02.52 | dbmoodb | just do it |
| 14:02.55 | onvsop | lol |
| 14:02.56 | onvsop | why |
| 14:02.57 | cusco | onvsop: then |
| 14:02.59 | onvsop | i have 10 times |
| 14:03.05 | onvsop | lol |
| 14:03.05 | cusco | fglrxinfo|grep -i direct |
| 14:03.13 | cusco | what do you get?> |
| 14:03.13 | Fadoski | ah :D pms are blocked |
| 14:03.32 | Fadoski | onvsop: look for lines Section "DRI" and Mode 0666 in xorg.conf |
| 14:03.43 | dbmoodb | ati should do it for him |
| 14:03.52 | dbmoodb | + that is stock no ? |
| 14:04.08 | Fadoski | Xorg.0.log would be nice to have :) |
| 14:04.09 | onvsop | that output of fglrxinfo | grep - direct |
| 14:04.10 | onvsop | Xlib: extension "XFree86-DRI" missing on display ":0.0". |
| 14:04.10 | onvsop | OpenGL renderer string: Mesa GLX Indirect |
| 14:04.23 | dbmoodb | ... did you restart x ? |
| 14:04.28 | dbmoodb | .or |
| 14:04.29 | dbmoodb | g |
| 14:04.35 | onvsop | and i have already tried adding those lines to xorg.conf |
| 14:04.45 | dbmoodb | restart x.org |
| 14:04.57 | onvsop | okays, brb then, |
| 14:04.58 | onvsop | :D |
| 14:06.13 | dbmoodb | ooo |
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| 14:06.17 | onvsop | okays |
| 14:06.17 | dbmoodb | hi |
| 14:06.23 | onvsop | restarted :) |
| 14:06.24 | onvsop | lol |
| 14:06.27 | dbmoodb | try again |
| 14:06.40 | onvsop | it's the same, i was telling you - nothing has changed |
| 14:06.41 | dbmoodb | not restarting the dri thing |
| 14:06.49 | onvsop | :) |
| 14:06.58 | themill | onvsop: the kernel module fglrx is loaded? |
| 14:07.02 | dbmoodb | - no |
| 14:07.04 | cusco | problem is you're getting bad help |
| 14:07.14 | onvsop | :) |
| 14:07.20 | onvsop | lol - im so lost |
| 14:07.21 | dbmoodb | problem is cusco isn't helping |
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| 14:07.31 | cusco | dbmoodb: nor is dbmoodb for that mather |
| 14:07.33 | onvsop | let me tell you exactly what i did |
| 14:07.34 | dbmoodb | and blah |
| 14:07.36 | themill | too many cooks |
| 14:07.44 | onvsop | ill say what i did from scratch |
| 14:07.45 | onvsop | :D |
| 14:07.47 | onvsop | okays |
| 14:07.53 | dbmoodb | ? |
| 14:07.57 | dbmoodb | hits cusco |
| 14:08.09 | dbmoodb | asks for him to solve the problem |
| 14:08.18 | cusco | go on onvsop |
| 14:08.21 | RickyLin | when i type 'hostname' i see my full host name good. but if i type 'hostname -f' i get output: hostname: Unknown host |
| 14:08.25 | RickyLin | anyone know why? |
| 14:08.41 | dbmoodb | lol |
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| 14:08.48 | dbmoodb | should come up as localhost no ? |
| 14:09.44 | onvsop | fresh install of debian testing, then installed fglrx-driver and the tools, then did dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg, i notices that the config screens didnt show the options for which modules to load, anyhow... at this point no ati gl, tried manualy adding dri cofig to xorg.conf |
| 14:09.51 | themill | RickyLin: what's in /etc/hostname ? |
| 14:10.17 | cusco | !tell onvsop about fglrx one-liner |
| 14:10.44 | dbmoodb | oh nice cusco |
| 14:10.44 | clamiax | I have a VT which doesn't recognize the wide-characters anymore. I tryed with tset/reset and logout/login but without results. Other VT prints UTF-8 encoded wide-characters without problems. Should i reboot to solve this problem? |
| 14:10.51 | dbmoodb | didn't know that was available |
| 14:11.10 | onvsop | very nice ;D |
| 14:11.11 | onvsop | hahha |
| 14:11.21 | dbmoodb | but doesn't fglrx get the thing working ? |
| 14:11.23 | onvsop | why is it so complicated? |
| 14:11.25 | cusco | must use non-free and module assistant tho |
| 14:11.29 | dbmoodb | oh... |
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| 14:12.09 | dbmoodb | forgot about the modul thingy |
| 14:12.12 | cusco | onvsop: because its a closed binary driver! |
| 14:12.23 | dbmoodb | not for long cusco |
| 14:12.23 | themill | onvsop: it's non-free ... you have to compile it yourself. At least m-a makes it easy to do. |
| 14:12.33 | RickyLin | themill, thanks i think that fixed it by editing /etc/hostname |
| 14:12.37 | themill | dbmoodb: don't hold your breath |
| 14:12.38 | cusco | dbmoodb: yes for long, theyre only opening up the 2d stuff (so I heard) |
| 14:12.46 | themill | RickyLin: np |
| 14:12.57 | dbmoodb | not what i heard cus |
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| 14:13.17 | dbmoodb | ? |
| 14:13.22 | dbmoodb | mode |
| 14:13.33 | clamiax | solved. |
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| 14:14.16 | dbmoodb | ....matrix neo fanboy coming through |
| 14:14.50 | onvsop | thanks guys :D |
| 14:14.52 | onvsop | it's conpiling now |
| 14:14.53 | onvsop | :D |
| 14:14.58 | onvsop | setting up |
| 14:15.27 | onvsop | w00t |
| 14:15.34 | onvsop | yipoo |
| 14:15.36 | onvsop | brb restarting x |
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| 14:18.39 | dbmoodb | ooo nl ? |
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| 14:21.31 | onvsop | well the kernel module seems loaded now |
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| 14:21.38 | dbmoodb | dri ? |
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| 14:21.49 | onvsop | but it's still saying that it's using Mesa GLX |
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| 14:22.26 | onvsop | sorry dbmoodb ? |
| 14:22.39 | dbmoodb | ... hits heatd |
| 14:22.43 | onvsop | lol |
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| 14:23.05 | k2t0f12d | Dont you have to disable compositing in xorg.conf for fglrx |
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| 14:24.26 | themill | onvsop: can you pastebin your /var/log/Xorg.0.log |
| 14:24.37 | onvsop | what should i have in xorg.cong, for modules to lead |
| 14:24.39 | onvsop | load |
| 14:24.58 | themill | onvsop: and perhaps also pastebin your /etc/X11/xorg.conf too |
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| 14:25.54 | dbmoodb | !pastebin |
| 14:25.54 | dpkg | Please don't paste anything into the channel; use a paste site instead, like: http://paste.lisp.org or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://pastebin.ca/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. --- Also ask me: <pastebin pipe> |
| 14:27.11 | onvsop | http://pastebin.com/m50ed67c0 |
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| 14:27.30 | onvsop | should i have - Load "dri", Load "glx" etc |
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| 14:28.25 | _Sp4wN_OwnS_ | ^ |
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| 14:29.22 | expose | hi |
| 14:29.41 | themill | onvsop: line 406 shows problems still: [drm] failed to load kernel module "fglrx" |
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| 14:29.47 | expose | Is this the pace to go if i want to do a proper debian testing installation? http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/daily-builds/daily/arch-latest/i386/iso-cd/ |
| 14:30.10 | expose | so, if i want to use netinstall, the daily builds are the only option? |
| 14:30.12 | themill | !install lenny |
| 14:30.12 | dpkg | To install testing, see http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ |
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| 14:31.06 | heatman | Hello. I am trying to configure phpmyadmin but i keep getting an error. Upon reading, I notice that I require a package similar to php-mysql. Would anyone know what's the equivalent for Debian? |
| 14:31.25 | onvsop | hrrrm |
| 14:31.30 | onvsop | :( damn this thing |
| 14:31.33 | dbmoodb | lol |
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| 14:31.37 | jelly | heatman: why not just use debian's phpmyadmin package? |
| 14:31.38 | themill | heatman: are you using the debian package for phpmyadmin? |
| 14:31.59 | hwdyki | how can i automatically install dev libs when i install a lib? |
| 14:32.11 | heatman | jelly, themill: I am but keep getting the error while trying to access it via browser |
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| 14:32.19 | wols | hwdyki: there is no premade way but it's not necessary either |
| 14:32.31 | themill | heatman: and the error is.... |
| 14:32.31 | wols | apt-get build-dep |
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| 14:32.57 | onvsop | i wonder why it's looking for /dev/dri/card0 |
| 14:33.04 | wols | hwdyki: aptitude search mysql |grep php |
| 14:33.05 | heatman | themill: Cannot load mysql extension. Please check your PHP configuration. - Documentation |
| 14:33.12 | E-bola | I just installed bind9 under etch, do i have to change anything in the configuration to get it to act as a caching nameserver? |
| 14:33.13 | wols | heatman: aptitude search mysql |grep php |
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| 14:33.32 | themill | heatman: and are you using the debian packages for apache, php and mysql? |
| 14:33.35 | k2t0f12d | When you apt-get build-dep does that fetch just the -dev's that correspond to packages already installed or is it a set list? |
| 14:33.44 | wols | E-bola: shouldn't need to. but it's a bad choice for a caching nameserver. use dnsmasq |
| 14:33.45 | abrotman | there were phpmyadmin packages? |
| 14:33.51 | heatman | themill: yes all dled from etch repo using apt |
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| 14:34.07 | wols | k2t0f12d: rad the manpage and you will know what it does |
| 14:34.22 | wols | k2t0f12d: it does neither what you suggested |
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| 14:34.35 | E-bola | wols: i need one that will let me forward to a local rbldnsd for certain zones, does dnsmasq support that? |
| 14:34.40 | themill | heatman: then that *should* be enough. Did you restart apache after installing the mysql extension? |
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| 14:34.46 | wols | E-bola: yes |
| 14:34.59 | onvsop | themill: you have any more ideas? |
| 14:35.10 | E-bola | wols: Also on a none standard port? |
| 14:35.12 | wols | oops. I meant ask another dns server |
| 14:35.15 | wols | dunno about blacklists |
| 14:35.21 | themill | heatman: aptitude install libapache2-mod-php5 php5-mysql |
| 14:35.26 | E-bola | this is precisely for a blacklist |
| 14:35.38 | wols | themill: that won't help him |
| 14:35.39 | heatman | wols: E: Couldn't find package php-mysql debian:~# aptitude search mysql |grep php p php4-mysql - MySQL module for php4 i php5-mysql - MySQL module for php5 |
| 14:35.39 | heatman | p phpbb2-conf-mysql - Automatic configurator for phpbb2 on MySQL |
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| 14:35.54 | wols | heatman: there you have your answer |
| 14:35.56 | E-bola | wols: if i want to use bind9, arent there some cache settings or anything i should set? |
| 14:36.12 | abrotman | E-bola: it caches by default |
| 14:36.13 | heatman | wols: cant find php-mysql on repo |
| 14:36.15 | themill | heatman: the php packages are versioned in debian php4 or php5 |
| 14:36.22 | abrotman | heatman: <heatman> wols: E: Couldn't find package php-mysql debian:~# aptitude search mysql |grep php p php4-mysql - MySQL module for php4 i php5-mysql - MySQL module for php5 |
| 14:36.30 | abrotman | what do you see there that might help? |
| 14:36.42 | wols | abrotman: don't ask hard questions like that |
| 14:36.43 | onvsop | brb |
| 14:36.43 | k2t0f12d | wols: I see. build-dep is not a package it is a apt-get switch. It would have been nice to know that before rying to manpage it :P |
| 14:36.44 | abrotman | i see that php5-mysql is already installed |
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| 14:37.30 | themill | heatman: have you been mucking about with the php.ini setup at all? |
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| 14:37.50 | heatman | themill: havent touch the file |
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| 14:38.03 | abrotman | is this apache or apache2? |
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| 14:38.25 | the_sniff | how do i use unix users in proftpd? |
| 14:38.26 | heatman | abrotman: apache2 |
| 14:38.54 | themill | heatman: create a file with just this in it and then look at it in your web browser: <?php phpinfo(); ?> |
| 14:38.56 | abrotman | heatman: grep mysql /etc/php5/apache2/php.ini |
| 14:39.11 | dutchfish | the_lalelu, they are already enabled per default |
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| 14:39.23 | themill | abrotman: it should be in a conf.d file |
| 14:39.42 | themill | dutchfish: which the* was that for? |
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| 14:39.54 | the_sniff | dutchfish i though so, but apperantly not :x |
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| 14:39.58 | dutchfish | the_sniff, my mistake, meant for you |
| 14:40.00 | onvsop | W0000t - it's working |
| 14:40.02 | the_sniff | themill i think me :p |
| 14:40.09 | onvsop | thanks for all your help "D |
| 14:40.11 | onvsop | :D |
| 14:40.12 | heatman | themill: already done that test |
| 14:40.20 | heatman | themill: what shuld i look forÉ |
| 14:40.21 | onvsop | themill: it's working :D |
| 14:40.34 | onvsop | thanks a heap |
| 14:40.34 | themill | onvsop: :) good stuff |
| 14:40.47 | themill | heatman: it should list the mysql module and its config |
| 14:40.52 | onvsop | umm you know how you whoed me that thing to compile the kernel module etc |
| 14:40.56 | onvsop | themill sorry |
| 14:41.14 | Agiofws | ready ? |
| 14:41.16 | Agiofws | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:41.18 | onvsop | well what happens when i want to update it? |
| 14:41.50 | heatman | themill: all it says its that mysql is supported |
| 14:42.26 | themill | onvsop: the module is fine for that version of Xorg and any security patches for it and is fine for kernel updates that don't change the ABI i.e. ones that have -5- in them. You'll need to m-a a-i fglrx if you upgrade the kernel to a newer version or if a -6- is released. |
| 14:42.51 | dutchfish | the_sniff, did you take a look at at the proftpd.conf? is it bind to your external ip (if you want that)? |
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| 14:43.07 | onvsop | thanks themill :D |
| 14:43.10 | onvsop | sweet |
| 14:43.13 | onvsop | there should be a doc on this |
| 14:43.18 | onvsop | i googled everywhere |
| 14:43.21 | stew | Agiofws: what are tainted sources? |
| 14:43.27 | the_sniff | dutchfish there's no bind (damn this chan is big, auto complete sux) |
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| 14:44.45 | Agiofws | stew, vanilla kernel does not see the touchpad |
| 14:44.48 | SteveC | Can anyone help me see how iptables is getting it's initial config ? |
| 14:44.55 | themill | heatman: ok... so that should be enough.... odd. |
| 14:44.57 | Agiofws | for some reason ubuntu live cd does |
| 14:45.08 | Agiofws | and its notthe config file to blame |
| 14:45.19 | stew | Agiofws: which config file? |
| 14:45.19 | Agiofws | its somethingto do with ubuntus pated tainted sources |
| 14:45.26 | Agiofws | ubuntus config file |
| 14:45.33 | stew | Agiofws: what is the ubuntu config file? |
| 14:45.35 | Agiofws | ubuntus live cd config file |
| 14:45.45 | Agiofws | a kernel config file |
| 14:45.53 | dbmoodb | !ubuntu |
| 14:45.53 | dpkg | Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu (irc.freenode.net) instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. |
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| 14:45.55 | theatro | Agiofws, hi, have you trying the latest stable kernel from kernel.org I told you yesterday? |
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| 14:46.06 | heatman | themill: should i create a seperate user for mysql? i tought the purpose of phpmyadmin was in fact to be able to create such users and amongs other |
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| 14:46.51 | dutchfish | the_sniff, it should work out of the box, but of coarse not for root |
| 14:46.51 | Agiofws | yes |
| 14:46.58 | themill | heatman: is the mysql server installed on the same machine? |
| 14:47.07 | the_sniff | dutchfish: no, not root :s |
| 14:47.07 | dutchfish | the_sniff, are you on etch? |
| 14:47.10 | the_sniff | yes |
| 14:47.12 | Agiofws | theatro, i have treid the latest one it still does not see the touch pad |
| 14:47.12 | vlt | Hello. Does anyone know how to tell unison to delete a file when using "-owner" and "-group" directives? (The full cmd is `unison localroot remoteroot -auto -times -owner -group -batch`.) |
| 14:47.14 | stew | Agiofws: so you already have a ubuntu kernel, but now you are looking to try a 'tainted' ubuntu kernel instead? |
| 14:47.23 | heatman | themill: atm im using ssh... im at school |
| 14:47.26 | Agiofws | yes |
| 14:47.40 | dbmoodb | lol |
| 14:47.40 | dutchfish | the_sniff, you did choose as a seperate process during install? |
| 14:47.42 | stew | Agiofws: what is the differernce? |
| 14:47.42 | dbmoodb | at heat |
| 14:47.44 | Agiofws | cause its seems that the ubuntu tainted compressed image sees the touchpad |
| 14:47.53 | themill | heatman: yes, but are the apache server and mysql server on the same server? |
| 14:48.04 | Agiofws | Stew the dif is the source it was produced from |
| 14:48.04 | heatman | themill: however i have a domain setup so i should be able to get access |
| 14:48.15 | heatman | themill: of course |
| 14:48.17 | hark | Agiofws: the touchpad is not detected by debian at all? |
| 14:48.19 | the_sniff | dutchfish: what do you mean as a seperate process? |
| 14:48.39 | Agiofws | no |
| 14:48.40 | stew | Agiofws: i don't think that ubuntu has different kernels, some that are tainted and some that are not. but this is a question for #ubuntu, not here |
| 14:48.44 | Agiofws | not at all |
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| 14:49.18 | Agiofws | hark, etch does not see the touchpad apart from a simple mouse device |
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| 14:49.43 | themill | Agiofws: use the synaptic driver in xorg.conf |
| 14:49.44 | hark | Agiofws: no scrolling etc? |
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| 14:49.49 | hark | Agiofws: sid? |
| 14:50.03 | dutchfish | the_sniff, during install you get option to run it through inetd or as a separate process, what did you choose? |
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| 14:50.16 | the_sniff | i didn't install the server |
| 14:50.21 | the_sniff | but i did remove it and reinstalled |
| 14:50.27 | the_sniff | and it didn't ask me that |
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| 14:50.41 | dutchfish | the_sniff, and you are sure this is debian etch 4.0r1? |
| 14:50.45 | Agiofws | themill, harkic synaptic has nothing to do with the DEVICE as a touchpad |
| 14:50.50 | dbmoodb | oh wait |
| 14:50.55 | dbmoodb | wtf is 4.0r1 ? |
| 14:51.04 | dbmoodb | -doing here |
| 14:51.07 | stew | dbmoodb: the second released revision of etch |
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| 14:51.29 | dutchfish | !etch |
| 14:51.30 | dpkg | Etch is the code name for the current stable Debian release, version 4.0, released on April 8th, 2007. Ask me about <install debian>. Please read the release notes at http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/releasenotes which also contain the upgrade procedure for upgrading from the previous version of Debian stable (<sarge>). |
| 14:51.58 | dbmoodb | wait i'm trying to work something out |
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| 14:52.19 | the_sniff | dutchfish |
| 14:52.19 | the_sniff | root@green:/etc/proftpd# cat /etc/issue |
| 14:52.19 | the_sniff | Debian GNU/Linux 4.0 \n \l |
| 14:52.30 | dbmoodb | i got a debian iso from my isp - i installed kde and now it (gnome screensaver) doesn't start up |
| 14:52.38 | dbmoodb | but on my other box - different cd |
| 14:52.40 | dbmoodb | it does |
| 14:52.46 | dbmoodb | so... |
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| 14:53.20 | dutchfish | the_sniff, then you can dpkg-reconfigure proftpd (as root) to choose this option |
| 14:53.23 | hark | Agiofws: it's synaptics |
| 14:53.35 | stew | dutchfish: what does inetd/standalone have to do with his question? |
| 14:54.05 | Agiofws | hark, for the last time .... |
| 14:54.30 | dutchfish | stew, i had same thing ones with inetd not properly authenticating users with default wait of prftpd, this doesnt happen with a standalone process |
| 14:54.32 | themill | heatman: I'm not sure what else to suggest here. You've done everything should be required. Do other php/mysql pages work? |
| 14:54.35 | Agiofws | hark, its not synaptics synaptics has to find a touchpad device befroe it handles it |
| 14:54.38 | Agiofws | capic ? |
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| 14:54.45 | the_sniff | dutchfish: it was standalone and still fails |
| 14:54.52 | Agiofws | cat /proc/bus/input/devices |
| 14:54.56 | Agiofws | do that an see |
| 14:55.16 | dutchfish | the_sniff, no idee then could be iptables, adn more |
| 14:55.26 | the_sniff | iptables? i can connect |
| 14:55.41 | dutchfish | the_sniff, you do get login prompt? |
| 14:55.44 | the_sniff | yes |
| 14:55.50 | the_sniff | i get a 530 login incorrect |
| 14:56.00 | dutchfish | the_lalelu, and the users is there and has a password? |
| 14:56.04 | the_sniff | yes |
| 14:56.10 | hark | Agiofws: so you don't see an entry for a touchpad there? |
| 14:56.16 | the_sniff | ssh connects |
| 14:56.18 | the_sniff | and auths |
| 14:56.21 | stew | Agiofws: what does "uname -r" say? |
| 14:56.46 | Agiofws | Linux lapi 2.6.22.6 #1 SMP Tue Nov 27 15:31:39 EET 2007 i686 GNU/Linux |
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| 14:57.12 | stew | Agiofws: when you tried a precompiled version instead of this custom version, did you make sure that psmouse and mousedev were loaded? |
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| 14:57.50 | stew | Agiofws: did you check the two URLs in '/msg dpkg laptops' for other users using the same laptop? |
| 14:57.56 | Agiofws | stew, off course cause i would have no mouse then |
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| 14:58.06 | Agiofws | stew, i did |
| 14:58.16 | Agiofws | could not find anything relevant here |
| 14:58.17 | dutchfish | the_sniff, can you paste /etc/prodftpd/proftpd.conf to pastebin (not here) |
| 14:58.21 | Agiofws | there8 |
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| 14:59.19 | hark | Agiofws: is this sid? |
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| 14:59.34 | Agiofws | etch |
| 14:59.53 | hwdyki | how do i use set qmake to the version from qt4? |
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| 15:00.24 | themill | hwdyki: there are a few things to update in update-alternatives (or with galternatives) |
| 15:01.08 | hwdyki | like what? |
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| 15:02.29 | mcdonaldswes | is there a program I can use to tell me if I have the appropriate runtime dependencies for a .deb file? |
| 15:02.33 | themill | hwdyki: I'm not sure which ones are required, but assistant, qmake, qtconfig, uic are all available in both qt3 and qt4 versions |
| 15:02.35 | mcdonaldswes | besides trying to install it of course |
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| 15:02.36 | the_sniff | dutchfish: http://rafb.net/p/50PfBj10.html |
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| 15:03.30 | dutchfish | the_sniff, its incomplete |
| 15:04.00 | the_sniff | dutchfish: no, thats the entire file i got from apt-get install |
| 15:05.13 | debianruby | mcdonaldswes, aptitude -s install package_name |
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| 15:05.26 | dutchfish | the_sniff, this should work: http://rafb.net/p/htklZp83.html |
| 15:05.42 | mcdonaldswes | debianruby: does that work for a .deb that's not in a repo? |
| 15:05.49 | stew | mcdonaldswes: no, it doesn't |
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| 15:06.00 | mcdonaldswes | right.. that's what I'm after |
| 15:06.34 | heatman | themill: im just in the process of setting up php and mysql |
| 15:06.43 | mcdonaldswes | I can do apt-get -s build-dep package to check for build dependencies, then apt-get source package, and build the thing... |
| 15:06.55 | mcdonaldswes | but then how do I check for runtime dependencies? seems like a pretty useful tool if you ask me :) |
| 15:07.17 | the_sniff | dutchfish eh, still fails lol |
| 15:07.19 | mcdonaldswes | for backporting, that is |
| 15:08.40 | dutchfish | the_sniff, you did remeove linenumbers and /etc/init.d/proftpd relaod ? |
| 15:08.40 | jelly | mcdonaldswes: if you already have the binary package, you can dpkg --info on it. |
| 15:08.40 | dutchfish | the_sniff, reload* |
| 15:09.00 | the_sniff | dutchfish reload fails for some reason but i did restart it |
| 15:09.25 | the_sniff | http://rafb.net/p/h5NVrc91.html |
| 15:09.28 | the_sniff | thats the error |
| 15:09.47 | mcdonaldswes | jelly: I can grep out the depends line, but to automatically check version dependencies and stuff... gotta do it by hand... bleh... well, maybe I'll hack something together then |
| 15:10.02 | dutchfish | the_sniff, if reloading fails your conf is wrong are the package is not properly installed |
| 15:10.20 | dutchfish | the_sniff, you could then apt-get install --reinstall proftpd |
| 15:10.27 | clamiax | Do you know text based web browser which allow to run a site in a new tab if exists an already opened session in the current tty? |
| 15:10.35 | jelly | mcdonaldswes: create a local repository, add it to your sources.list, and let aptitude or apt figure them out |
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| 15:11.03 | stew | mcdonaldswes: perhaps gdebi / gdebi-core can do it |
| 15:11.32 | mcdonaldswes | jelly, stew: hm, ok, I'll try them out |
| 15:11.35 | mcdonaldswes | thanks |
| 15:12.39 | the_sniff | dutchfish still hehe |
| 15:12.54 | jelly | !own repo |
| 15:12.55 | dpkg | Custom-Package-Repository-HOWTO: [1, as root] apt-get install dpkg-dev; [2, as user] mkdir -p ~/public_html/foo; cd ~/public_html/foo; [3] cp /your/packages.deb .; [4] dpkg-scanpackages . /dev/null | gzip > Packages.gz; [5, as root] echo >> /etc/apt/sources.list "deb http://localhost/~username/foo ./"; [OR, if no local web server set up] echo >> /etc/apt/sources.list "deb file:///home/username/public_html/foo ./"; |
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| 15:13.09 | dutchfish | the_sniff, can you paste met cat /etc/passwd | grep [user] ? |
| 15:13.38 | the_sniff | sniff:x:1005:100::/home/sniff: |
| 15:14.10 | dutchfish | the_sniff, shouldnt that be ..1005:1005 ? |
| 15:14.12 | jelly | mcdonaldswes: dpkg just spewed out the recipe for a local repo |
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| 15:14.44 | mcdonaldswes | cool thanks |
| 15:14.50 | denken | is there a package for the actual sh shell available? i.e. not a symlink to /bin/bash? |
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| 15:14.56 | themill | heatman: to set up apache/php/mysql, the following should be sufficient: aptitude install apache2 php5 mysql-server |
| 15:15.04 | wols | denken: no |
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| 15:15.30 | stew | denken: what is the actual sh shell? |
| 15:15.49 | heatman | themill: thats been done... im thinking... does php or mysql needs to be added to portfowarding in my routerÉ |
| 15:15.51 | jelly | dutchfish: his system could be configured to not create a separate group for each user, gid 100 is ok then |
| 15:15.58 | the_sniff | dutchfish: it has a diff group |
| 15:16.01 | denken | stew: /bin/sh i supppose :) im asking for someone else. |
| 15:16.07 | dutchfish | jelly, ok |
| 15:16.07 | dbmoodb | bug in network manager and gnome screensaver is occuring to me... |
| 15:16.14 | themill | heatman: no, php talks to mysql using the socket (by default) |
| 15:16.37 | themill | heatman: so no network traffic is necessary. |
| 15:16.40 | dutchfish | jelly, but his home dir (the one that profftpd also uses needs the same? |
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| 15:16.47 | heatman | themill: kk |
| 15:16.48 | stew | denken: you can change that symlink to point to a different implementation if you prefer, such as dash or posh |
| 15:17.05 | stew | denken: why do you ask? |
| 15:17.33 | denken | stew: QA applications demands an actual "sh" shell... as returned by "/bin/sh -version" |
| 15:17.44 | denken | s/applications/application |
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| 15:18.11 | heatman | themill: can the problem be due to the fact that when apache2 restarted it used 127.0.0.1 as hostname |
| 15:18.30 | abrotman | themill: what's the actual error ? |
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| 15:18.32 | stew | denken: sounds like a broken QA application |
| 15:18.37 | heatman | themill: apache2: Could not reliably determine the server's fully qualified domain name, using 127.0.0.1 for ServerName |
| 15:18.37 | heatman | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:18.38 | denken | stew: oh i agree |
| 15:18.38 | themill | heatman: if you are accessing it via loopback then that's fine. |
| 15:19.02 | cusco | heatman: thats easy, just add a fqdn to /etc/hosts |
| 15:19.03 | heatman | themill: kk im not, using domain name... thats the prob |
| 15:19.05 | stew | denken: neither posh nor dash, which are also posix compliant, support -version |
| 15:19.12 | themill | abrotman: Cannot load mysql extension. Please check your PHP configuration. - Documentation |
| 15:19.20 | heatman | cusco: fqdn? |
| 15:19.24 | cusco | heatman: then that is only a debug mensage, nothing to worry about |
| 15:19.30 | cusco | fully qualified domain name |
| 15:19.50 | themill | abrotman: but apache2, mysql-server, php5 and appropriate glue modules appear to be installed. |
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| 15:21.35 | abrotman | did he try a phpinfo page? |
| 15:21.45 | heatman | abrotman: yes i did |
| 15:21.47 | themill | abrotman: yep, and mysql extension was found |
| 15:21.52 | denken | stew: excellent point. i passed that along. |
| 15:21.54 | denken | stew: thanks |
| 15:22.11 | abrotman | what is the mysql command that fails? |
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| 15:22.25 | themill | abrotman: base page of phpmyadmin |
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| 15:22.42 | xored | anybody an idea why my exim is not advertising auth ? I mean, what reasons culd it have ? i have set 2 diffrent auth ( server) methods, but somehow its not advertised |
| 15:22.48 | heatman | abrotman: just keep failling to log from domain name... says it cant find mysql extension |
| 15:23.06 | heatman | abrotman: yeah sry with phpmyadmin |
| 15:23.10 | abrotman | do other php-mysql pages work ? |
| 15:23.28 | stew | heatman: does "/etc/php5/apache2/conf.d/mysql.ini" exist? |
| 15:23.33 | abrotman | like if you do a simple mysql_connect? |
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| 15:23.37 | heatman | stew: let me checl |
| 15:24.59 | heatman | stew: all i have is /etc/php5/apache2/php.ini in that directory |
| 15:25.09 | stew | heatman: is libapache2-mod-php5 installed? |
| 15:25.17 | heatman | abrotman: i just installed... so i have nothing yet |
| 15:25.20 | stew | oh |
| 15:25.23 | heatman | stew: yes |
| 15:25.28 | stew | if conf.d is missing completely, that would explain it |
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| 15:26.00 | themill | quite why it's missing I don't know... but phpinfo() is claiming that mysql is loaded... |
| 15:26.01 | abrotman | stew: i thought that was for lenny+ ? |
| 15:26.01 | stew | heatman: what version of debian is this? |
| 15:26.10 | themill | abrotman: conf.d is in etch |
| 15:26.22 | heatman | stew: i have etch |
| 15:26.40 | stew | heatman: what does "grep mysql.so /etc/php5/apache2/php.ini" return? |
| 15:26.43 | abrotman | does he have any files in /etc/php5/conf.d/ ? |
| 15:27.08 | abrotman | on etch i have a mysql.ini in /etc/php5/conf.d/ .. not in the dir stew mentioned |
| 15:27.10 | dutchfish | the_sniff, did you try as root passwd -u [user] .. in other words is the account locked? |
| 15:27.17 | abrotman | well .. it's a symlink |
| 15:27.18 | heatman | stew: ;extension=mysql.so |
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| 15:28.13 | abrotman | heatman: can you remove the semicolon and restart apache and try again ? |
| 15:28.17 | heatman | abrotman: i have the following files in the directory u mentionned: mcrypt.ini mysqli.ini mysql.ini pdo.ini pdo_mysql.ini |
| 15:28.42 | heatman | abrotman: u want me to rename the file? |
| 15:28.59 | abrotman | nope |
| 15:29.03 | the_sniff | dutchfish: no i can log in with ssh, its an accound i use regularly |
| 15:29.20 | dutchfish | the_sniff, ok |
| 15:29.44 | themill | I guess one could try: ln -s /etc/php5/conf.d /etc/php5/apache2/ but that wouldn't explain why it was missing. |
| 15:29.52 | heatman | abrotman: sorry to sounds stupid, but first time i do this, how u want me to remove the ; ? |
| 15:29.52 | the_sniff | oh |
| 15:29.52 | the_sniff | lol |
| 15:29.52 | the_sniff | USER sniff (Login failed): Invalid shell: '' |
| 15:29.57 | the_sniff | what the heck is that? |
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| 15:30.09 | JohnAlson | hi all |
| 15:30.17 | themill | !greet JohnAlson |
| 15:30.17 | dpkg | Hi there, JohnAlson |
| 15:30.18 | DJ-Marcuzz | i have an problem, when i try to run a program to vnc it doesn't start, but when i did an 'xhost +' then the program works, how to fix this? |
| 15:30.56 | dutchfish | the_sniff, the home dir exists and has the right owner:group ? |
| 15:30.57 | abrotman | heatman: do you know how to use any text editors ? like vi or nano ? |
| 15:31.07 | heatman | abrotman: of course |
| 15:31.09 | stew | the_sniff: what does 'getent passwd sniff' return? |
| 15:31.18 | abrotman | heatman: one of those will work :) |
| 15:31.33 | themill | abrotman: how is phpinfo() picking up the mysql extension... |
| 15:31.36 | the_sniff | stew: the users passwd line |
| 15:31.39 | the_sniff | i think i know what it is |
| 15:31.43 | stew | the_sniff: what is the users shell set to? |
| 15:31.48 | the_sniff | nothing |
| 15:31.52 | JohnAlson | what package should I use to install java runtimes? |
| 15:32.00 | abrotman | themill: magic? |
| 15:32.04 | themill | !tell JohnAlson about install java |
| 15:32.05 | dbmoodb | !java |
| 15:32.05 | dpkg | Java is Sun's cross-platform OO language. Sun partially released java as GPL on Nov 13, 2006 (rest expected to be released in 2007). There are other implentations available in Debian such as 'free-java-sdk' for use with applications like Eclipse. The Sun JRE/JDK is in non-free. Also, ask about <install java>, <non-free>. |
| 15:32.10 | themill | abrotman: that's fair |
| 15:32.18 | dbmoodb | ops got beaten to it |
| 15:32.28 | the_sniff | kewl |
| 15:32.29 | stew | the_sniff: then you either need to give that user a valid shell, or change the "RequireValidShell" (or whatever it is called) option in proftpd |
| 15:32.50 | the_sniff | it was that. its fixed :p i gave it /bin/false and added it to /etc/shells |
| 15:32.52 | dokma | how do I find out the size of my swap partition? |
| 15:32.53 | the_sniff | BIG THANKS :> |
| 15:33.08 | abrotman | themill: stew also mentioned that it will be ugly without that symlink |
| 15:33.27 | stew | i did? |
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| 15:33.45 | themill | stew: just take the bows and don't question the applause.... |
| 15:34.04 | dokma | stew: you got a clew? partition size? |
| 15:34.09 | stew | dokma: fdisk -l |
| 15:34.14 | the_sniff | dutchfish, stew thanks :) |
| 15:34.28 | dokma | stew: right on the spot! |
| 15:34.31 | xored | what do i need to copy ( i moving with my server ) to setup the same user on my new debian as on the old one ? shadow / groups / passwd ? |
| 15:34.36 | dokma | thanks again |
| 15:34.40 | JohnAlson | !install java |
| 15:34.40 | dpkg | First, read <java licensing>. Free java implementations available in debian can be seen by running "apt-cache search java-virtual-machine". If you need to run software not supported by one of the free java implementations (anything not in main) then install sun-java5-jre or sun-java6-jre from non-free if you're using etch/etch-backports/lenny/sid or ask me about <java-package>. |
| 15:34.50 | dutchfish | stew, the hard part is i also mad eones the same mistake, i wished i rem earlier ;) |
| 15:35.31 | JohnAlson | well, I have been looking for sun-java5-jre package in main repositories without luck... is this what I am supposed to install or I get messed? :S |
| 15:35.52 | stew | JohnAlson: they aren't in main, they are in non-free: /msg dpkg non-free |
| 15:35.57 | themill | JohnAlson: you have to add non-free to your /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 15:36.19 | JohnAlson | themill: do you mean I have to pay in order to get jre on linux? :S |
| 15:36.23 | heatman | abrotman: which semicolon should be remove... in the file in question, i cannot find something mentioning extension=mysql.so |
| 15:36.39 | stew | JohnAlson: no, it means your freedoms with respect to the software are limited |
| 15:36.39 | themill | JohnAlson: no, non-free doesn't mean have-to-pay. /msg dpkg non-free |
| 15:36.54 | abrotman | heatman: you just told us it was there :) |
| 15:36.59 | dbmoodb | !propriety |
| 15:37.07 | dbmoodb | ah much better |
| 15:37.12 | JohnAlson | Stew: ah ok. Where could I get a repository where the jre package is int? |
| 15:37.15 | heatman | abrotman: lol sec |
| 15:37.25 | stew | dpkg: tell JohnAlson about non-free |
| 15:37.38 | stew | dpkg: tell JohnAlson about non-free sources |
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| 15:37.58 | JohnAlson | jejej thanks |
| 15:38.13 | dbmoodb | lol |
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| 15:39.19 | themill | dbmoodb: increase your bot-fu by either checking things in a private query (/msg dpkg listkeys <query>) or using #debian-bots or using http://dpkg.vireo.org/ |
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| 15:39.30 | heatman | abrotman: ok found it and removed the ; no i should restart apache2? |
| 15:39.36 | themill | yes |
| 15:39.40 | dbmoodb | no i meant to have that treturn none |
| 15:39.47 | dbmoodb | as in no prop... software |
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| 15:42.01 | megasquid | how do i set an envroirnment variable so that it stays set across mupliple logins? export seems to only work for that session |
| 15:42.16 | dutchfish | !export |
| 15:42.49 | stew | megasquid: http://wiki.debian.org/DotFiles |
| 15:43.33 | heatman | Which file contains the apache2 info? need to modify servername from 127.0.0.1 to domain name |
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| 15:44.36 | stew | heatman: the apache configuration is spread among many files. i'd recommend using /etc/apache2/httpd.conf for this |
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| 15:47.10 | heatman | stew: is it normal that there is nothing contain within that .conf file? |
| 15:47.29 | stew | heatman: yes |
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| 15:47.58 | dbmoodb | !sane |
| 15:47.58 | dpkg | Scanner Access Now Easy makes scanning...easy, or http://www.sane-project.org/ |
| 15:48.01 | dbmoodb | ops |
| 15:48.03 | dbmoodb | i meant |
| 15:48.05 | dbmoodb | !default |
| 15:48.05 | dpkg | If you don't know any better, always choose the default. |
| 15:48.19 | stew | heatman: that file is there for you to customize things so that you can leave /etc/apache2/apache2.conf alone and therefore if there is a new version of apache2.conf available from an upgrade, you can get the upgraded version without having to worry about merging your customizations |
| 15:48.21 | heatman | stew: ok... so how would i specify to apache that it want it to communicate with my domain instead of defaul 127.0.0.1 (loopback)? |
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| 15:48.42 | stew | dbmoodb: please /msg the bot |
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| 15:49.01 | xored | Unable to authenticate at present (set_id=XXXX): failed to connect to socket /var/run/courier/authdaemon/socket: Permission denied |
| 15:49.07 | xored | is that a chroot problem ? |
| 15:50.13 | stew | heatman: did you create a file in /etc/apache2/sites-available for the site your are going to serve? |
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| 15:51.01 | heatman | stew: no im new to apache |
| 15:51.03 | stew | heatman: note that this is not saying anything about what ip address it is going to communicate with. it is saying that it doesn't know what ServerName to return in the case that someone makes a request that wouldn't be served by any of the VirtualHost's |
| 15:51.27 | megasquid | stew, thanks, do you have a refrence for startup files? |
| 15:51.28 | stew | heatman: and by default, all requests would be handed by the 'default' site that debian provides |
| 15:51.30 | kopke | hello all, I've got a problem, I upgraded my debian/unstable this morning, and now, when I launch openoffice/abiword/gqview, X hangs up (but not if I launch gnumeric/psi/icedove/iceweasel) |
| 15:51.38 | stew | megasquid: what do you mean by 'startup files'? |
| 15:51.44 | heatman | stew: ah ok.. so i would need to specify the ip of my pc? |
| 15:52.01 | megasquid | stew, making daemons run on startup |
| 15:52.03 | stew | heatman: no. you don't. you don't have to do anything. |
| 15:52.06 | kopke | google seems to not be my friends, anyone has a tips? |
| 15:52.26 | stew | heatman: it should already be listening to all IPs |
| 15:52.36 | stew | megasquid: /etc/init.d/README ; man update-rc.d |
| 15:52.57 | megasquid | stew, thanks |
| 15:52.59 | stew | kopke: /msg dpkg bts |
| 15:53.36 | heatman | stew: so this is normal when restarting apache: Forcing reload of web server (apache2)...apache2: Could not reliably determine the server's fully qualified domain name, using 127.0.0.1 for ServerName waiting apache2: Could not reliably determine the server's fully qualified domain name, using 127.0.0.1 for ServerName |
| 15:53.45 | stew | heatman: yes, that is normal |
| 15:54.27 | heatman | stew: hmmm then i dont get why its not working |
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| 15:55.09 | kopke | I try to got a look about bugs on debian.org but see nothing, it's true I forgotted to reinstall listbug and listchange when I got my new computer :// |
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| 15:57.38 | stew | heatman: what makes you say it isnt working? |
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| 15:58.12 | heatman | stew: sec let me recheck something |
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| 15:59.42 | heatman | stew: am i not supposed to get an apache default message when i type the following in an address? http://megatux.myftp.org/apache2-default/ . All i get is It works! |
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| 15:59.51 | heatman | stew: oops |
| 16:00.16 | stew | heatman: i believe "It works!" is probably part of the default message |
| 16:00.17 | heatman | didnt want to brodcast entire http |
| 16:00.30 | kopke | apt-get --reinstall install xserver-xorg-core and xserver-xorg-video-intel show me 4 bugs, thank you stew |
| 16:00.51 | mogra | Last I checked, that was the Default Apache2 page in Debian. |
| 16:01.44 | heatman | stew: ok maybe apache is working properly but i still cant access to phpmyadmin, i still get the following error: Cannot load mysql extension. Please check your PHP configuration. - Documentation |
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| 16:02.20 | dutchfish | heatman, apt-get install php5-mysql or php5-mysql |
| 16:02.36 | stew | how is one to choose between those two? :) |
| 16:02.40 | mogra | Hahaha |
| 16:02.43 | heatman | dutchfish: its installed already |
| 16:02.44 | dutchfish | heatman, apt-get install php5-mysql or php4-mysql |
| 16:03.02 | themill | heatman: you have php4 installed not php5.... |
| 16:03.16 | Kobaz | hmm, how do you see what version of gcc a kernel was compiled with |
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| 16:03.26 | petemc | Kobaz: cat /proc/version |
| 16:03.32 | heatman | dutchfish, themill: php5-mysql is already the newest version. |
| 16:03.36 | themill | heatman: earlier yousaid php5 and so you were playing with the php5-mysql etc modules |
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| 16:03.53 | themill | heatman: your apache is using php4 not php5.... trust me on this... |
| 16:04.10 | Kobaz | petemc: excellent |
| 16:04.11 | themill | heatman: Apache/2.2.3 (Debian) mod_python/3.2.10 Python/2.4.4 PHP/4.4.4-8+etch4 mod_perl/2.0.2 Perl/v5.8.8 Server at megatux.myftp.org Port 80 |
| 16:04.17 | stew | themill: then he lied about having libapache2-mod-php5 installed |
| 16:04.24 | mogra | heatman: you can verify this by creating a php file containing - <?phpinfo();?> |
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| 16:04.51 | themill | stew: so it would seem... as they conflict. |
| 16:04.53 | stew | heatman: "aptitude install libapche2-mod-php5 php5-mysql" |
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| 16:05.40 | xored | iam getting a lstat() failed. ERROR when scanning mails under etch through clamav with exim. Any ideas ? |
| 16:06.04 | heatman | stew: Couldn't find any package whose name or description matched "libapche2-mod-php5" |
| 16:06.20 | stew | heatman: sorry, libapache2-mod-php5 |
| 16:06.35 | sharp15 | is it possible to do an install from the testing repos using the network install disk? |
| 16:06.50 | heatman | stew, themill: lol should of read better ;) |
| 16:07.01 | themill | !tell sharp15 about installing lenny |
| 16:07.13 | sharp15 | themill: sorry. |
| 16:07.29 | themill | sharp15: nothing to be sorry about! |
| 16:07.29 | heatman | themill, stew: thank you very much its working now! |
| 16:07.45 | themill | heatman: np. Glad you got there in the end. |
| 16:07.46 | heatman | YAY :D |
| 16:08.11 | themill | heatman: And btw, it was accidentally posting your entire URL that solved the problem for you as I could then look at the server signature. |
| 16:08.14 | sharp15 | thank you. |
| 16:08.27 | heatman | themill: lol |
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| 16:14.14 | fuzzy_logic | hi people |
| 16:14.16 | fuzzy_logic | i am using proftpd |
| 16:14.36 | fuzzy_logic | but i can only upload files when the dir is chmodded to 777.. how can i change that? |
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| 16:17.40 | sharp15 | fuzzy_logic: chown? |
| 16:17.53 | fuzzy_logic | chown to who? |
| 16:18.19 | fuzzy_logic | oh just to the username.. i get it |
| 16:18.21 | fuzzy_logic | tnx |
| 16:18.22 | cusco | I would just use vsftpd |
| 16:18.59 | fuzzy_logic | cusco: i don't see the point in that.. |
| 16:19.13 | cusco | yea nevermind that! |
| 16:20.04 | xored | iam getting a lstat() failed. ERROR when scanning mails under etch through clamav with exim. Any ideas ? |
| 16:20.35 | Ronin | fuzzy_logic: well vsftpd is meant to be secure, as much as ftp can be, and hasn't any or far fewer holes then proftpd |
| 16:20.47 | Ronin | but has nothing to do with your current problem |
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| 16:23.33 | petemc | xored: add clamav to the debian-exim group |
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| 16:24.25 | xored | petemc: i have done this, it is not helping |
| 16:24.44 | xored | petemc: Debian-exim:x:103:clamav |
| 16:25.00 | petemc | xored: do you have AllowSupplementaryGroups enabled in clamd.conf |
| 16:25.15 | xored | petemc: also deactivated this, did not help |
| 16:25.25 | petemc | deactivated? |
| 16:25.30 | xored | #AllowSupplementaryGroups true |
| 16:25.35 | petemc | you need that |
| 16:25.36 | xored | (commented, what ever) |
| 16:25.43 | xored | ?, on second |
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| 16:26.01 | lontra | i can't seem to set up my time properly. i've tried ntp, i've tried messing with my configuration files but i can't seem to get both my vista partition and my debian one to show proper time. |
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| 16:26.52 | cahoot | not even using localtime on linux? |
| 16:27.02 | xored | petemc: the error still stays. |
| 16:27.22 | xored | petemc: oh one second, forgot the restart clamav |
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| 16:27.55 | xored | petemc: no, it is not helping. o AllowSupplementaryGroups is true |
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| 16:30.52 | wols | lontra: after debian ran, is your BIOS clock using localtime or UTC? |
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| 16:31.52 | lontra | wols: is my BIOS clock the one that vista uses? what happens is that vista is set to localtime and for some reason debian is always set 6 hours behind vista ... so i can set proper time in debian by setting vista's time 6 hours ahead |
| 16:32.20 | dutchfish | !tzconfig |
| 16:32.20 | dpkg | it has been said that setting time is if you're using a coexisting DOS/Win on your x86, put UTC=no in /etc/default/rcS else put UTC=yes. use tzconfig to set the right timezone, then use date (man date) to set time (avoid doing that when precious applications are running, some might get confused). Now do hwclock --systohc if RTC is local, or hwclock --systohc --utc if UTC. Erase /etc/adjtime and repeat the previous command again. This prevents wrong ... |
| 16:32.25 | mogra | The answer to that question, then, is BIOS clock is set to localtime. |
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| 16:33.46 | lontra | dutchfish: i've done that before and it didn't work |
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| 16:34.41 | dutchfish | lontra, have you also setup regional settings within vista properly? |
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| 16:35.28 | lontra | dutchfish: good question ... i am not sure ... all i know is that other distributions have had no problem with setting the time just debian and i'm not sure why |
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| 16:37.05 | dutchfish | lontra, just try ro run tzconfig again and say its wrong on th efirst question, after that /etc/init.d/ntp restart |
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| 16:37.28 | abrotman | lontra: grep UTC /etc/default/rcS .. what does it say? |
| 16:37.39 | lontra | abrotman: UTC says no |
| 16:38.04 | themill | I've heard people requiring --directisa to get things working properly on some relatively recent hardware. |
| 16:38.18 | themill | (despite what the man page says about that option) |
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| 16:38.19 | abrotman | lontra: try changing it to yes .. and set your timezone correctly |
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| 16:38.53 | lontra | abrotman: ok |
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| 16:50.28 | dataw0lf | What's the best way to determine when Linux was installed on a machine? |
| 16:50.47 | dataw0lf | creation date of /root ? |
| 16:51.16 | aarkerio | hi! I made a backup, resulting: backup-11-07.tar,bz2 size: 17.8GB |
| 16:51.42 | aarkerio | somebody knows how to split the file in 4.2 GB pieces? |
| 16:52.04 | aarkerio | to burn on several DVDs |
| 16:52.29 | dutchfish | split |
| 16:52.29 | wols | aarkerio: man split |
| 16:52.30 | dataw0lf | aarkerio: you answered your own question. man split. |
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| 16:52.44 | aarkerio | thx! |
| 16:52.54 | themill | dataw0lf: there may be an installation log in /var/log/ |
| 16:53.07 | Debian^Sid | so is anyone else seeing sid as broken right now? |
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| 16:53.22 | tecky | lenny's not broken :) |
| 16:53.32 | themill | Debian^Sid: in what particular way? |
| 16:53.32 | Debian^Sid | dataw0lf???? as in former 19d dataw0lf ?? |
| 16:53.33 | dutchfish | etch neither |
| 16:53.35 | aarkerio | I'm on Sid |
| 16:53.39 | wols | Debian^Sid: sid is ALWAYS broken. it'S sid |
| 16:53.42 | aarkerio | what is broken? |
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| 16:54.03 | dataw0lf | Debian^Sid: yea. |
| 16:54.07 | dataw0lf | Debian^Sid: who're you? |
| 16:54.18 | dataw0lf | themill: ah, good idea. |
| 16:54.23 | dataw0lf | themill: thanks. |
| 16:54.26 | Debian^Sid | themill, well I did apt-get update && apt-get -u dist-upgrade and it downloaded everything, listed what to install and remove, then it was going to do, then when trying to config stuff debconf went pffffffffffffffffft and had some error |
| 16:54.34 | Debian^Sid | dataw0lf, Chaos from chatjunkies |
| 16:54.46 | dataw0lf | Debian^Sid: Ah. Long time no see. Still in the army? |
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| 16:54.59 | Debian^Sid | dataw0lf, yeah I just reenlisted actually, but to reclass |
| 16:55.08 | dataw0lf | what're you reclassing to? |
| 16:55.15 | Debian^Sid | dataw0lf, being a 13f sucked so I reclassed to something in MI |
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| 16:55.18 | wols | !tell Debian^Sid about bat |
| 16:55.22 | crumblenaut | what's a good iptables IP accounting application? i want something fast and lean, ideally without using mysql as im currently using bwstats and its raping the servers resources |
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| 16:55.22 | Debian^Sid | cryptologic linguist |
| 16:55.25 | dataw0lf | ha. Yea, fister can be hard. |
| 16:55.49 | jelly | Debian^Sid: packages from sid often break. If you're not prepared to deal with it you're supposed to use testing which will at least have the worst brown-paper-bag bugs solved |
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| 16:56.37 | Debian^Sid | ok well here's the other part of it jellyI'm used to problems with sid from time to time, but apt-get had so many errors it exited with 2 status and said it was due to too many errors, prior to this crap I've never seen that before |
| 16:56.59 | Debian^Sid | dataw0lf, so I get to go to DLI for a year and a half for arabic now and work in sig int afterward :D |
| 16:58.41 | dataw0lf | Debian^Sid: Nice. |
| 16:58.46 | dataw0lf | I'm just glad I'm out ;-) |
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| 16:58.58 | wols | just apply to the NSA directly :P |
| 16:59.12 | Debian^Sid | I'll work for them when I get out |
| 17:00.21 | dataw0lf | Debian^Sid: I'm out of network security and working application security now. Fun times (and excellent pay, which I suppose helps the fun factor) |
| 17:00.37 | Debian^Sid | like how much? |
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| 17:01.25 | dataw0lf | Debian^Sid: 92k/year + benefits, in Reno, NV (cheap livin') |
| 17:01.36 | Debian^Sid | O_O |
| 17:02.06 | Debian^Sid | I wonder if while driving for my PCS and going through Denver if I'll meet lowkey |
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| 17:02.17 | Debian^Sid | wish I was making 92k/yr though....damn |
| 17:02.33 | dataw0lf | I haven't spoken with lowkey for about a year or so. |
| 17:02.40 | Debian^Sid | really? |
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| 17:02.43 | Debian^Sid | did you guys have a fall out? |
| 17:02.48 | tecky | Debian^Sid: think of it this way ... atleast your not unemployeed |
| 17:02.52 | dataw0lf | Nah, just don't see him online much any more. |
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| 17:03.23 | Debian^Sid | dataw0lf, he's on chatjunkies all the time, but my dns got messed up so I have to find the IP of the at server every time I want to connect |
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| 17:03.31 | Debian^Sid | I'm kinda lazy for that though |
| 17:03.49 | dataw0lf | maybe I should idle in CJ again |
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| 17:04.45 | Debian^Sid | yeah |
| 17:04.57 | Debian^Sid | I'm gonna reboot into debian to try to fix this problem brb |
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| 17:08.52 | Debian^Sid | !tell Debian^Sid bat |
| 17:08.59 | Debian^Sid | damn it |
| 17:09.03 | Debian^Sid | :( |
| 17:09.07 | tecky | bat ? |
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| 17:09.27 | Debian^Sid | screw it I'll use pastebin |
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| 17:11.00 | niklassss | I'm about to format a 500gb hard drive. Is it preferred to split it up into e.g. 2 partitions? Or is just one big totally fine? |
| 17:11.39 | Debian^Sid | make numerous partitions for debian :D |
| 17:11.50 | niklassss | I'm not going to run debian or any OS on it |
| 17:11.51 | Debian^Sid | make a different one for /var and / and /home |
| 17:11.53 | niklassss | it's an extra drive |
| 17:11.54 | Debian^Sid | oh |
| 17:12.04 | niklassss | forgot to mention |
| 17:12.07 | Debian^Sid | then put Reiser 3.6 on it like a real man |
| 17:12.10 | Debian^Sid | :P |
| 17:12.14 | niklassss | No thanks :) |
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| 17:13.05 | Debian^Sid | http://pastebin.com/m24a814db |
| 17:13.20 | Debian^Sid | :( can anyone help me with that? |
| 17:14.27 | Debian^Sid | dataw0lf: you still around? |
| 17:14.38 | abrotman | !bts |
| 17:14.39 | dpkg | well, bts is the Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or http://bugs.debian.org/bugnumber apt-get install reportbug, and check out <querybts> too. Users of "sid" are required to check the BTS, useful for sid: apt-get install apt-listbugs, or apt-get install apt-listchanges |
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| 17:15.04 | Debian^Sid | what good is that? |
| 17:15.15 | Debian^Sid | I have reportbug |
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| 17:15.34 | hagna | now that the source for this package is unpacked via apt-get source pkgname I need to modify some of the source and recompile, how do I do that? |
| 17:16.04 | stew | Debian^Sid: did you check the bts? |
| 17:16.13 | stew | Debian^Sid: it looks like a debconf problem |
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| 17:17.01 | stew | hagna: aptitude install build-eseential fakeroot ; apt-get build-dep packagename ; dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot |
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| 17:17.31 | Debian^Sid | well how do I fix debconf? |
| 17:17.43 | stew | Debian^Sid: did you check the bts? |
| 17:17.53 | Debian^Sid | what is a bts? |
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| 17:18.03 | stew | dpkg: tell Debian^Sid about bts |
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| 17:18.35 | hagna | stew: where in that series of steps can I modify the source? |
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| 17:18.54 | ArcAiN6 | anyone alive? |
| 17:19.01 | themill | no |
| 17:19.05 | ArcAiN6 | lol |
| 17:19.17 | morteng | Hi I have Filesystem /dev/hda13 Size 7.7G Used 6.9G Avail 492M Use% 94% Mounted on / can I resize that on the fly, please? |
| 17:19.20 | stew | hagna: anytime before dpkg-buildpackage ; it would be recommended that you also bump the version number of the package before rebuilding so it appears distinct from the version you are modifying |
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| 17:19.31 | ArcAiN6 | has anyone had success installing glibc 2.4 or 2.5 on ETCH? |
| 17:19.54 | stew | hagna: i'd recommend runing "dch --nmu" in order to bump the changelog. that will create a version with a .1 appended, i recommend changing the .1 to somehting like +somechanges |
| 17:19.55 | hagna | stew: it will just overwrite the old binaries right? |
| 17:20.04 | wols | ArcAiN6: why would you want that? |
| 17:20.09 | stew | hagna: it will created new .debs in the parent directory |
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| 17:20.42 | ArcAiN6 | because i have a few software packages that require 24 or greater |
| 17:20.53 | stew | ArcAiN6: recompile them against your installed libc6 instead |
| 17:20.56 | wols | no way with ethc. what packages? |
| 17:21.09 | wols | cause chances are, there are other ways |
| 17:21.18 | morteng | /leave #debian |
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| 17:21.26 | ArcAiN6 | looks like i'll look for a different distro then. 2.3x is outdated.. thanx for the info |
| 17:21.27 | hagna | stew: ok and how do I install the .deb? |
| 17:21.45 | stew | hagna: dpkg -i /path/to/.deb |
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| 17:22.24 | stew | ArcAiN6: which functions from libc6 2.4 do you need? |
| 17:22.45 | wols | stew: I doubt he knows |
| 17:23.08 | wols | he gets the error message like the unrar one about GLIBC2_4 or whatever it's called and that's it |
| 17:23.25 | stew | wols: what command did he run to produce that error? |
| 17:24.00 | wols | since he doesn't say, I can't know. but last few days a few people came with a unrar problem when they downlaoded it from winrar.com |
| 17:24.12 | stew | wols: how do you know that is the error he got? |
| 17:24.16 | Debian^Sid | ok guys that bts didn't help in any way shape or form |
| 17:24.20 | wols | apparently that software is compiled aginst glibc 2.4 and gives out that error message under etch |
| 17:24.21 | niklassss | I'm going to format a 500gb hard drive. I'm not going to store any OS on it, it's just for files e.g. movies and music. Is there any advantage in splitting it to serveral partitions? |
| 17:24.50 | stew | Debian^Sid: what version of debconf do you have installed? |
| 17:24.50 | wols | stew: educated guess from currently available facts |
| 17:25.05 | wols | niklassss: imho no |
| 17:25.15 | wols | specially not for a network drive or such |
| 17:25.23 | Debian^Sid | 1.5.17 |
| 17:25.33 | niklassss | wols: ok. That's exactly what I'm going to do with it - use it as a network drive |
| 17:25.50 | niklassss | I'm not really into how hard drives work. Thank you for the advice |
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| 17:26.17 | deathplanter | where can I find which's sources? |
| 17:26.36 | wols | deathplanter: check what package provides which and install its source |
| 17:27.12 | aarkerio | can I affect hard disk partitions using dd command? |
| 17:27.25 | wols | aarkerio: affect in what waqy? |
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| 17:27.37 | aarkerio | delete mbr, for instance |
| 17:28.00 | darkstego | hi, I upgraded to kde4 from experimental and now want to return to kde3, what is the best way to downgrade? |
| 17:28.01 | wols | easily. dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/hda count=1 bs=512 |
| 17:28.20 | wols | and it's overwritten totally with zeros. but careful. partitions are gone, noot bootable anymore either |
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| 17:28.40 | wols | darkstego: downgrading is not possible. you have to remove the packages manually |
| 17:28.41 | aarkerio | darkstego, format / |
| 17:28.54 | Debian^Sid | anyone? |
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| 17:29.00 | abrotman | aarkerio: don't do that |
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| 17:29.15 | aarkerio | dou you have /home on diferent partition right? |
| 17:29.20 | abrotman | darkstego: ask #debian-kde |
| 17:29.25 | darkstego | yes |
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| 17:29.30 | Debian^Sid | wmii ftw |
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| 17:29.53 | darkstego | home is in a different directory, but i would rather not format |
| 17:30.00 | darkstego | I meant partition |
| 17:30.01 | aarkerio | abrotman, do you mean dd command? |
| 17:30.13 | darkstego | there is no way to tell apt to downgrade? |
| 17:30.24 | stew | Debian^Sid: #247849 seems to be the same as your problem |
| 17:30.27 | aarkerio | you ask about the best way |
| 17:30.38 | Debian^Sid | stew: can you put a url? |
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| 17:31.43 | darkstego | I expected a way to select a package and tell apt to automatically downgrade packages in order to fit the dependencies |
| 17:31.43 | abrotman | darkstego: you can uninstall everything from experimental and try |
| 17:31.44 | aarkerio | you can waste several hours trying to do the downgrade or reinstall on 40 minuts |
| 17:31.47 | minus198 | How do I insert Extended ASCII codes in nano? |
| 17:31.52 | stew | Debian^Sid: is your var partition full? |
| 17:32.13 | stew | Debian^Sid: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=247849#109 |
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| 17:33.04 | abrotman | !remove kde |
| 17:33.04 | dpkg | hmm... remove kde is aptitude purge kdelibs-data kdelibs4c2a |
| 17:33.23 | darkstego | aarkerio: I don't have the old package list, need to remember which programs to install |
| 17:34.04 | Debian^Sid | it's not full |
| 17:34.07 | mogra | hehe, Operating Systems are like Pants. Do you deliberately buy pants the wrong size? or do you get them the closest size and THEN modify them? |
| 17:35.36 | stew | Debian^Sid: have you been seeing any disk errors in syslog? this seems to be pointing at corruption in the debconf database |
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| 17:36.25 | Debian^Sid | syslog? |
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| 17:36.51 | stew | Debian^Sid: yes, i'd expect drive errors to be logged to syslog or dmesg |
| 17:37.45 | Debian^Sid | can't help you there |
| 17:37.52 | stew | Debian^Sid: what do you mean? |
| 17:37.54 | Debian^Sid | my dmesg is full of kernel messages from fiaif |
| 17:38.32 | wols | fiaif? |
| 17:38.59 | Debian^Sid | NAME |
| 17:38.59 | Debian^Sid | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:39.18 | stew | Debian^Sid: what about syslog, what about /var/log/dmesg ? |
| 17:39.22 | Debian^Sid | when I first decided I wanted one before I played with iptables on my own |
| 17:39.35 | wols | uninstall then |
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| 17:39.54 | Ace2016 | bye all |
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| 17:41.18 | Debian^Sid | syslog is completely filled with the firewall stuff |
| 17:41.32 | Debian^Sid | Nov 27 09:41:04 Debian kernel: BANDWIDTH_OUT:IN= OUT=eth0 SRC=192.168.1.100 DST=82.195.156.186 LEN=53 TOS=0x00 PREC=0x00 TTL=64 ID=7610 DF PROTO=TCP SPT=55094 DPT=5222 WINDOW=138 RES=0x00 ACK PSH URGP=0 |
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| 17:41.57 | stew | Debian^Sid: you can ignore those for this discussion |
| 17:42.08 | Debian^Sid | no the entire file is full of that |
| 17:42.28 | stew | Debian^Sid: there is other stuff in the file other than firewall messages |
| 17:42.42 | timseves | <PROTECTED> |
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| 17:43.14 | stew | timseves: install it into a chroot? |
| 17:43.17 | wols | timseves: use a virtual machine and install there |
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| 17:43.26 | wols | if you don't like it, restore from backup |
| 17:43.32 | grendal_prime | there is no way to log in as an underprivilaged user and changing the root password is there |
| 17:43.51 | wols | grendal_prime: local root exploits do exist |
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| 17:44.04 | wols | but yes, only root can change /etc/shadow- |
| 17:44.05 | stew | grendal_prime: you can't use su or sudo? |
| 17:44.17 | timseves | stew, wols: I was hoping for something less heavy wieght than a VM, I basically want to make sure the installation process succeds |
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| 17:44.51 | wols | timseves: you can't be sure unless you install it on a EXACT copy of the production machine |
| 17:44.53 | stew | timseves: have a look at piuparts |
| 17:44.58 | wols | timseves: keep with stable and you should be very safe |
| 17:45.00 | Debian^Sid | I see nothing about corruption |
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| 17:45.11 | timseves | stew,wols: the app in question is openoffice, so that would be a lot of dependecies |
| 17:45.27 | timseves | thanks for the piuparts suggestion, I'll take a look at that |
| 17:45.29 | wols | Debian^Sid: do you suspect a broken harddisk? if so, use a smartmontools test |
| 17:45.31 | stew | timseves: piuparts handls the dependencies for you |
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| 17:45.44 | stew | i suspect a broken harddisk or a broken filesystem |
| 17:45.49 | stew | Debian^Sid: which filesystem is on /var ? |
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| 17:47.06 | hagna | this manually modified morse package now works with the sound card it's just a Makefile param. Who should I give it to so that the hordes of users for that package can have it? |
| 17:48.12 | stew | hagna: this is a debian package you are talking about? which? |
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| 17:48.27 | hagna | stew: actually ubuntu |
| 17:48.37 | hagna | morse is the name |
| 17:48.42 | stew | hagna: ask #ubuntu |
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| 17:49.30 | minus198 | Does anyone know what encoding I should use to be able to use Extended ASCII? |
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| 17:50.28 | Debian^Sid | smartmontools? |
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| 17:51.08 | stew | Debian^Sid: can you ask a more specific question? |
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| 17:51.33 | Debian^Sid | what is smartmontools? |
| 17:51.40 | stew | Debian^Sid: apt-cache show smartmontools |
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| 17:52.14 | grendal_prime | we are loged into the box |
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| 17:52.34 | grendal_prime | stew: but umm well as a standard user...they lost the root user password |
| 17:52.52 | stew | grendal_prime: do you have local console access? |
| 17:52.58 | grendal_prime | vpn |
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| 17:53.24 | grendal_prime | ssh via vpn |
| 17:54.04 | stew | grendal_prime: there is no way, other than either getting local console access, so you can boot a livecd or something, except by using some sort of exploit, which is not something we'd be able to help you with |
| 17:54.32 | stew | Debian^Sid: what filesystem are you running on the var partition? ext3? |
| 17:54.47 | Debian^Sid | reiser on all |
| 17:54.57 | stew | ok, i non longer thing it is a drive error then |
| 17:55.39 | stew | Debian^Sid: i assume reiser comes with some sort of fs checking utility. i'd recommend running that. reiser is notorious for filesystem corruption |
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| 17:55.51 | Debian^Sid | what?! |
| 17:55.57 | Debian^Sid | how dare you talk about reiser like that |
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| 17:56.09 | Debian^Sid | I don't know how to fix it if it is though :( |
| 17:56.24 | dv | hmm |
| 17:56.28 | Aciid | reiser checked his wife before his filesystem |
| 17:56.34 | dv | what FS do you recommend for a slow laptop HD? |
| 17:56.38 | stew | Debian^Sid: becuase i've been helping people here for years, and the number of people that come here with reiser file system corruption outnumber the number of people with filesystem corruption on all other filesystems combined by a factor of 10 |
| 17:56.48 | wols | dv: ext3 |
| 17:56.59 | Debian^Sid | so how do I fix the filesystem corruption then :(((((((((((( |
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| 17:57.12 | wols | fsck |
| 17:57.14 | Aciid | put journal on ext3 |
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| 17:57.57 | wols | Debian^Sid: remount the disk read only and run fsck |
| 17:58.12 | Debian^Sid | while I'm running off it? |
| 17:58.17 | cuse | Hi! Can does anybody know why there are no sources of Sun's Java VM? I thought it's now released under GPL, no? |
| 17:58.51 | OlaX | cuse: No. |
| 17:58.55 | cuse | :) |
| 17:58.57 | wols | cuse: not yet afaik. |
| 17:58.57 | themill | cuse: it's not all released yet |
| 17:59.01 | stew | cuse: its in non-free. its not all released under gpl. some of it is still closed sources and some of it is under licenses which are not GPL2 compatible making the source code not legally distributable |
| 17:59.20 | Debian^Sid | if I go single user mode can I fsck / ? |
| 17:59.21 | cuse | stew: is that about to be changed? |
| 17:59.30 | stew | cuse: not that I know of |
| 17:59.46 | mogra | Debian^Sid: you'd have to unmount the volume, so probably not. |
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| 18:00.05 | Debian^Sid | is there some way I can do it from windows then? |
| 18:00.10 | Debian^Sid | I don't have any livecds anymore |
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| 18:00.20 | stew | Debian^Sid: you should be able to do it from single user mode |
| 18:00.49 | mogra | stew: doesn't fsck require the volume not to be mounted? / is hard to umount xD |
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| 18:01.59 | stew | mogra: no, it doesn't, it can be mounted readonly. (haven't you seen your system fsck / when you boot?) |
| 18:02.12 | grendal_prime | stew |
| 18:02.15 | stew | yo |
| 18:02.18 | mogra | ah, true |
| 18:02.25 | cuse | stew: sorry if i simply assume you're fammiliar with the subject, but wouldnt it be easy to merge the open source part of the official Sun release with clean room implementations of the GNU project? |
| 18:02.25 | grendal_prime | would it help if i knew the last date root loged in? |
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| 18:03.07 | stew | cuse: reimplementing all of xerces / xalan, and all of the java.security would not be easy, no |
| 18:03.09 | megasquid | stew, how do i set a startup program to be run by a specific user? |
| 18:03.13 | Debian^Sid | ok so I have to mount it ro |
| 18:03.16 | megasquid | not as root |
| 18:03.17 | OlaX | cuse: The sun gpl jdk project is called "OpenJDK"..(openjdk.java.net) |
| 18:03.31 | Debian^Sid | I'll be back |
| 18:03.40 | stew | OlaX: yes, and that is not all gpl, and is not legally redistributable |
| 18:03.50 | wols | OlaX: thought it was gcj+classpath |
| 18:03.56 | stew | megasquid: are you starting the program with start-stop-daemon? |
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| 18:04.05 | wols | oops. the sun one |
| 18:04.12 | wols | stew: is anyone even doing any work for that? |
| 18:04.23 | Debian^Sid | what commands should I use with fsck? |
| 18:04.51 | megasquid | stew, no its not a daemon, so i'm using the daemon command and just running it directly |
| 18:04.51 | cuse | wols: oh can i use gcj for java 1.6 apps? |
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| 18:05.31 | wols | cuse: not very well from what I've seen |
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| 18:05.53 | themill | cuse: no. it spits on lots of valid 1.6 source code |
| 18:06.07 | stew | wols: i dunno. perhaps gnu classpath and jaxp and such could be used. i know the current redistribution license that sun granted debian prohibits that. i haven't looked closely at the openjdk stuff to see if it would be allowed to replace the sun classpath with gnu |
| 18:06.47 | themill | icedtea is working towards doing this all with redistributable code |
| 18:06.58 | stew | wols: i went as far as to do a quick glance at the license at openjdk, saw that they were mixing GPL2 and APL2 and stopped there |
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| 18:07.42 | themill | http://icedtea.classpath.org/ |
| 18:07.52 | OlaX | ster: the entire openjdk project is licensed under the gpl version 2, the hotspot vm is v2 only, some parts have the classpath exception. The problem is not that openjdk isn't gpl(it is), the problem is that it is an incomplete jdk. |
| 18:08.02 | OlaX | s/ster:/stew:/g |
| 18:08.14 | wols | stew: I doubt sun would allow changing the classlibs. wouldn't be able to call it java |
| 18:08.28 | cuse | OlaX: incompatible jdk??? |
| 18:08.34 | cuse | OlaX: what does that mean? |
| 18:08.43 | stew | OlaX: when did they change the license? |
| 18:08.50 | mick_home | anyone running virtualbox? it tells me to: "Please install the virtualbox-ose-modules package for your kernel." - yet apt-cache doesn't show that package existing |
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| 18:08.52 | themill | OlaX: that and the binary blobs all through it that are somewhat gpl-incompatible... |
| 18:08.54 | stew | OlaX: the last time i looked was about 2 weeks ago |
| 18:08.54 | OlaX | cuse: _incomplete_ |
| 18:08.59 | wols | stew: apache license? |
| 18:09.05 | stew | wols: yes |
| 18:09.07 | cuse | OlaX: ah sorry, misread |
| 18:09.27 | mick_home | i currently am running 2.6.22-2-vserver-686 (can i even run virtualbox *and* vservers?) |
| 18:10.04 | mick_home | vservers are awesome - but they obviously don't work for every circumstance |
| 18:10.26 | cuse | OlaX: and do you know whats missing? i just looked into the wikipedia article and it sais only a very small portion would not be GPL, so that sounds like it wouldnt be a hard task to fill the gap, no? |
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| 18:11.49 | DJ-Marcuzz | what would be a nice solution, to lock your screen in gnome? |
| 18:12.09 | OlaX | cuse: idk, I've never made a vm. I imagine it would be simple enough in theory, but it may be more difficult in practice. |
| 18:12.11 | stew | OlaX: if "the entire openjdk project is licensed under the gpl version 2" then why on the download page does it say "The majority of OpenJDK code is released under the GNU General Public License Version 2" |
| 18:12.21 | karsten | DJ-Marcuzz: xscreensaver, or gnome's built-in tool that does the same. |
| 18:12.39 | karsten | DJ-Marcuzz: Look under screensaver settings in GNOME's configuration clusterfuck. |
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| 18:13.33 | DJ-Marcuzz | ill have to install the screensaver thing, but iut sounds like your no big fan of gnome? |
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| 18:13.55 | OlaX | stew: I read that "the entire openjdk code base" is under the GPL in the faq for the openjdk. I am not a participant or proponant for the project. It also says that it's not done. |
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| 18:15.29 | stew | OlaX: where? |
| 18:16.12 | OlaX | stew: http://www.sun.com/software/opensource/java/faq.jsp#b3 |
| 18:16.42 | themill | stew: afaict the objective of openjdk is to be entirely gpl; the reality is that there are currently binary blobs that sun has not yet been able to relicence because they are not owned by sun. They have to be replaced by bits from gnu classpath etc. Sun might do that in their own time but the IcedTea project is working on that right now. |
| 18:17.09 | stew | seems contradictory |
| 18:17.36 | themill | How so? |
| 18:17.42 | stew | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:17.42 | stew | Q: |
| 18:17.44 | stew | Is the entire OpenJDK code base under the GPL? |
| 18:17.53 | stew | A: Yes, much of the OpenJDK code is licensed under the GPL version 2 with the Classpath exception |
| 18:17.53 | themill | oh that bit... yes... |
| 18:17.55 | DJ-Marcuzz | karsten, when i hit the lock screen button, it does completely nothing :S |
| 18:17.57 | stew | much? |
| 18:17.59 | stew | or all? |
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| 18:18.17 | klim_ | sekhmet: it is an ext3 file system and the superblock seems to be corrupted and I can not locate the backup superblocks with dumpe2fs or debugfs do you know any other way to locate the backup superblocks? |
| 18:18.37 | themill | stew: as usual, java = mess. There was a good article on lwn.net in the last week or so, I think. |
| 18:18.39 | OlaX | stew: parts of it have the classpath exception, parts of it are gpl v2 only, all of it is gpl. |
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| 18:18.50 | klim_ | hi, superblock seems to be corrupted and I can not locate the backup superblocks with dumpe2fs or debugfs do you know any other way to locate the backup superblocks? |
| 18:19.14 | dkr | is there some software like graphmonkey but better? :) (i.e. with axis labeled) I have an equation and want to graph it for a certain range(not a set of points to plot) although maybe that is what I need: to run a separate program to generate the data points and then use gnuplot |
| 18:19.29 | stew | OlaX: then why do they say "much" instead of "all", and why does http://download.java.net/openjdk/jdk7/ say "majority" not "all", and why does that page also say, "Not all of the source code that makes up the JDK is available under an open-source license" |
| 18:19.35 | themill | stew: http://lwn.net/Articles/259364/ (subscriber only at the moment... will be free in a week or so) |
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| 18:20.09 | themill | OlaX: there are binary blobs in the current openjdk... binary blobs can't be GPL. |
| 18:20.13 | OlaX | stew: "much" of it has the classpath exception. |
| 18:20.41 | stew | ahh, looks like this on infact has jaxp |
| 18:21.10 | stew | yeah, i think before i was looking at their svn repository, which is completely littered with non gpl software |
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| 18:22.33 | stew | and yeah, this tarball which is "majority" GPL, isn't at all usable on its own |
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| 18:23.39 | stew | wtf, they tell you that in order to use this you must also install sun-java6-jdk |
| 18:23.51 | themill | bootstrapping.... |
| 18:24.05 | themill | there's work to allow you to bootstrap from gcj too |
| 18:25.13 | OlaX | I'm not trying to champion or defend the openjdk project, and I'm aware that it isn't done, but according to Sun (via their web site) it's all GPL. We should hold them to that, and help them help us. |
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| 18:25.19 | J_P | hi all |
| 18:25.35 | J_P | What pacakge as this lib ? => error while loading shared libraries: libboost_date_time-gcc-mt-1_31.so.1.31.0: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory |
| 18:26.37 | karsten | DJ-Marcuzz: Icon or HW button on your laptop? |
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| 18:26.45 | grendal_prime | ok stew here is our next option |
| 18:26.56 | karsten | DJ-Marcuzz: In general, you need to install the appropriate hotkeys package for your laptop, eg: thinkpad, vaio, etc. |
| 18:26.58 | themill | J_P: libboost-date-time-dev has a different version |
| 18:27.05 | themill | !tell J_P about search |
| 18:27.07 | stew | ok, and this .zip file isn't only GPL, at least not according to THIRD_PART_README in that .zip file |
| 18:27.10 | DJ-Marcuzz | karsten, the 'lock screen' button in gnome under the desktop tab ofcourse |
| 18:27.13 | grendal_prime | we can reboot that box into windows mount the ext3 partion with an ext3 mounter, and reset the root pass to blank... |
| 18:27.14 | karsten | DJ-Marcuzz: I map a hotkey in my windowmanager to lock the screen and use that. |
| 18:27.15 | themill | J_P: apt-file is your friend here |
| 18:27.30 | karsten | DJ-Marcuzz: I don't run GNOME, so I'm not familiar with specifics. |
| 18:27.36 | J_P | themill: ahh ok, I will try apt-file |
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| 18:27.52 | themill | ok... home time... ciao all! |
| 18:27.56 | jozu | hi to all |
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| 18:28.04 | [Naigovan] | hi 2all |
| 18:28.13 | jozu | any frontend for ifconfig? |
| 18:28.15 | karsten | DJ-Marcuzz: I generally don't recommend GNOME either, for numerous reasons. However, that said, find out why GNOME isn't running its xscreensaver clone, and troubleshoot that, or run xscreensaver directly and cut out the middleman. |
| 18:28.25 | karsten | jozu: ifupdown |
| 18:28.35 | DJ-Marcuzz | karsten, what do you run? |
| 18:28.37 | SpeedyG | karsten: what wm/dm are you using then? :) |
| 18:28.38 | jozu | thanx, karsten |
| 18:28.48 | SpeedyG | (if any) |
| 18:28.56 | karsten | jozu: man ifupdown. See /etc/network/interfaces |
| 18:29.02 | karsten | DJ-Marcuzz: Windowmaker. |
| 18:29.26 | karsten | DJ-Marcuzz: I generally recommend KDE or XFCE4 as good newbie desktops. |
| 18:29.41 | SpeedyG | karsten: I agree :) xfce works nice for a desktop-newb :) |
| 18:29.51 | stew | grendal_prime: mounting linux partitions from windows makes me nervous, but it should work. i had a bad experience but it was many years ago, i assume things have improved |
| 18:30.02 | wols | screen beats them all |
| 18:30.08 | DJ-Marcuzz | karsten, it schould run on an 733mhz 512mb server as an vnc terminal server |
| 18:30.29 | MonkeeOfEvil | stew: There's a driver for win32 that provides full EXT2/3 read/write support |
| 18:30.29 | wols | stew: the read writ ext3 driver works fairly well |
| 18:30.37 | grendal_prime | its the etc/shawdow file we need to get to right? |
| 18:30.37 | wols | about as well as ntfs3g |
| 18:30.49 | karsten | DJ-Marcuzz: ?? |
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| 18:31.09 | DJ-Marcuzz | karsten, so kde isn;t a good option when using teh maschine with 3 users :P |
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| 18:31.18 | SpeedyG | DJ-Marcuzz: try xfce then |
| 18:31.26 | SpeedyG | DJ-Marcuzz: thats even lighter than gnome |
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| 18:31.51 | MonkeeOfEvil | or if ya wana go uber lightweight... you could kick it with enlightenment |
| 18:31.51 | MonkeeOfEvil | ;) |
| 18:31.58 | MonkeeOfEvil | or cdw |
| 18:32.08 | [Naigovan] | ion 3 rules over DE's |
| 18:32.20 | SpeedyG | MonkeeOfEvil: E light? hm.. been quite a while since I tried E, but cant remember it being light .. |
| 18:32.39 | MonkeeOfEvil | maybe I'm getting my DE's confused |
| 18:32.41 | DJ-Marcuzz | MonkeeOfEvil, the problem with that stuff is that i cant really get an presentable desktop out of the box |
| 18:32.47 | MonkeeOfEvil | I stick with gnome and xfce |
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| 18:33.49 | MonkeeOfEvil | LOL @ ION |
| 18:33.55 | MonkeeOfEvil | that would drive me nuts |
| 18:34.09 | MonkeeOfEvil | i couldn't work with that |
| 18:34.20 | [Naigovan] | -)) ratpoison would be nice too -) |
| 18:34.25 | SpeedyG | DJ-Marcuzz: ok, can't say that it was ootb, but this is my xfce desk: http://speedyg.selwerd.nl/~speedyg/pic/Screenshot.png |
| 18:34.39 | MonkeeOfEvil | I rely heavily on semi-transparent-always on top windows and things like that |
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| 18:35.18 | SpeedyG | DJ-Marcuzz: and with a little tweaking, you can make it like that for all users if you want to :) |
| 18:35.45 | Spliffster | high all. are the K processes in /etc/rcX.d/ run from 100-0 or from 0-100 ? |
| 18:35.51 | MonkeeOfEvil | xfce + myth + tv in/out card... |
| 18:35.53 | DJ-Marcuzz | SpeedyG, well that looks great,, but how much work went into it, and i have 3 users, so something centeralised would be cool :P |
| 18:35.53 | MonkeeOfEvil | mmmmmmmmmm |
| 18:35.54 | MonkeeOfEvil | sxy |
| 18:36.09 | SpeedyG | DJ-Marcuzz: euhm, can't remember how much work exactly, but it's not that hard |
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| 18:36.54 | SpeedyG | DJ-Marcuzz: adding a panel, placing the other two on the desired position, and moving the icons around |
| 18:37.05 | SpeedyG | DJ-Marcuzz: thats about all i've done (ok, and added a few plugins) |
| 18:37.52 | SpeedyG | DJ-Marcuzz: and if thats set for one user, it can be easily copied to the other user's profiles iirc |
| 18:38.02 | SpeedyG | (or even as global settings) |
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| 18:38.36 | Spliffster | are the K processes in /etc/rcN.d/ run from 100-0 or from 0-100 ? |
| 18:38.45 | DJ-Marcuzz | global setting sounds cool, but is there any way, you could lent me an config? |
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| 18:39.14 | SpeedyG | DJ-Marcuzz: euhm, lemme check that (and btw, for more on xfce, join #xfce ;) ) |
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| 18:41.08 | FGS|Bret | Hey all |
| 18:41.17 | FGS|Bret | Does anyone know of a VPS panel that works on Debian? |
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| 18:42.20 | Fenix|work | Greetings... |
| 18:42.22 | Fenix|work | I'm having some ftp problems (with pure-ftpd) on my linux box. For this one IP the box is dropping the connection, but works fine for the rest. I have a paste of tcpdump here:http://rafb.net/p/Aeoy6j72.html |
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| 18:43.07 | wols | Fenix|work: is your server behind a NAT router? |
| 18:43.36 | Fenix|work | yes |
| 18:43.42 | Fenix|work | other outside connections work without problem |
| 18:44.00 | Fenix|work | just this one |
| 18:44.23 | wols | which ports do you have forwarded? any high ports? |
| 18:44.56 | Fenix|work | The cisco box detects passive ftp and forwards it accordingly |
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| 18:46.36 | Fenix|work | wols, here's the tcpdump info on a working external host: http://rafb.net/p/xBMgkG32.html |
| 18:46.42 | jay | how do I say tar "test" and put it in /somedir? tar cvf test.tar test -C /destinationDir does not work |
| 18:46.55 | jay | how do I say tar "test" and put it in /somedir? tar cvf test. "tar test -C /destinationDir" does not work |
| 18:47.20 | Fenix|work | jay, tar cvf /destinationDir/test * |
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| 18:48.42 | jay | perfect |
| 18:49.08 | Fenix|work | wols, what I don't like is the fact that tcpdump shows (on the fourth line) the Fin statement (F) effectively terminating the session, but I don't have in logs why |
| 18:49.41 | Tramp | Fenix|work: Obviously the "not working connection" is not forwarded but proxied, with 10.128.0.22 probably being the internal IF of the Cisco route I presuem (being an RFC 1918 IP) |
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| 18:50.14 | Fenix|work | shoot... closed the wrong window |
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| 18:50.31 | grendal_prime | he stew if we have console access to that box, we could just boot into single user mode and reset root passwd right? |
| 18:51.26 | Tramp | Fenix|work: If I'm wrong, tell me what this 10.* IP is. |
| 18:51.36 | Fenix|work | masked public IP |
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| 18:52.24 | abrotman | grendal_prime: yes |
| 18:52.26 | Tramp | Fenix|work: in your "working example" I assume that "some.host.com" represents a real public IP |
| 18:52.26 | Fenix|work | it's a routable public IP |
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| 18:52.32 | abrotman | grendal_prime: /msg dpkg ifrp |
| 18:52.33 | Fenix|work | yes |
| 18:52.49 | InnerFIRE | anyone know if there was a known problem with the mysql security fix last night ? |
| 18:52.57 | FGS|Bret | Fenix|work, do you know of any VPS Panels (ie like HyperVM etc) that work with Debian |
| 18:53.01 | Tramp | Fenix|work: 10.128.0.22 is certainly routable (as any IP is) but nevertheless RFC 1918, i.e. private. |
| 18:53.18 | jay | Can u gunzip stuff with tar? |
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| 18:53.41 | Fenix|work | Tramp, it was my mistake to use a private IP to mask the public one |
| 18:53.43 | InnerFIRE | jay: you can if it's a gnu zipped tar file |
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| 18:54.24 | jay | I mean... using the tar command can u tar and gzip all @ once |
| 18:54.27 | jay | not gunzip |
| 18:54.31 | abrotman | tar -zxf |
| 18:54.36 | abrotman | erm -zcf |
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| 18:54.43 | Tramp | Fenix|work: so provide useful tcpdumps or I can't help you. Dump with -n, always dump ICMP with it and preferably with -e as well to show layer2 headers. Also -v and -s0 is helpful.. |
| 18:54.47 | Agiofws | hey |
| 18:54.56 | InnerFIRE | jay: abrotman's second andswe |
| 18:55.01 | InnerFIRE | answer is the correct one |
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| 18:55.01 | abrotman | answer even! |
| 18:55.25 | Agiofws | linux-source-2.6.22_2.6.22-14.46_all.deb ok how do i unpack this |
| 18:55.52 | [Naigovan] | dpkg -x? |
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| 18:56.33 | Agiofws | ok |
| 18:56.36 | abrotman | Agiofws: install it with dpkg ... then go to /usr/src/ |
| 18:56.50 | Agiofws | thanks going to try |
| 18:57.20 | Fenix|work | Tramp, fair enough. I am asking the remote host to try again. |
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| 18:58.00 | Fenix|work | Tramp, tcpdump -nevs0 is what I have now, would you like other options? |
| 18:58.11 | InnerFIRE | anyone know if the mysql package make a backup before it updates stuff ? |
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| 18:58.30 | Fenix|work | InnerFIRE, my guess would be no |
| 18:58.33 | InnerFIRE | crap |
| 18:58.41 | Fenix|work | that's your job :) |
| 18:58.57 | Tramp | Fenix|work: This is ok. Either dump with -w to a file and filter later or leave it, as it is if other traffic is neglectible. |
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| 18:59.00 | InnerFIRE | I didn't expect apt-get update to completely hose mysql |
| 18:59.08 | abrotman | why did it? |
| 18:59.14 | abrotman | it was just a security update ... |
| 18:59.15 | Tramp | Fenix|work: The interesting filter would be "tcp port 21 or icmp" |
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| 18:59.43 | Fenix|work | Tramp, I'm going to use host w.x.y.z, so all should show. |
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| 19:00.20 | InnerFIRE | abrotman: I don't know why it did but my nagiosmysql db is not readable and mysql.users is just missing |
| 19:00.29 | Tramp | Fenix|work: yeah, shold be OK. |
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| 19:03.45 | Fenix|work | Tramp, I'm just waiting for the client to make a connection |
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| 19:04.42 | abrotman | InnerFIRE: the security update? |
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| 19:06.34 | ale777 | hello. in which file does (reverse-i-search) look into? thank you :) |
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| 19:06.45 | puchu | hi |
| 19:06.48 | InnerFIRE | abrotman: yeah.. security update was the only thing that changed anything |
| 19:06.54 | puchu | how can i change the consolefont? |
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| 19:07.09 | kenjy | guys when you do a apache rewrite, for example from your site to google, the query generate a entry in the access log? it take resources from my server? or it is transparently redirected to another place (in this example google) |
| 19:07.37 | Fenix|work | Tramp, http://rafb.net/p/Q7V3RT97.html |
| 19:07.43 | abrotman | InnerFIRE: if you look in /var/lib/mysql/ ... do oyu see your data ? |
| 19:08.02 | InnerFIRE | abrotman: /var/lib/mysql/mysql is empty |
| 19:08.36 | Fenix|work | Tramp, where dead.host.com is the public IP of the ftp client |
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| 19:09.17 | abrotman | InnerFIRE: ask #debian-security on irc.oftc.net .. see if they know what happened |
| 19:09.51 | Tramp | Fenix|work: hmm. Fin after the completed handshake would typically be tcpwrapper or IP based restriction on application level. |
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| 19:10.22 | puchu | where is a good place to start a script befor me network comes up? |
| 19:10.25 | Fenix|work | Tramp, why for this one host though? All others who have tried work without problem |
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| 19:11.09 | abrotman | puchu: man interfaces |
| 19:11.29 | InnerFIRE | abrotman: thanks |
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| 19:11.39 | abrotman | InnerFIRE: also .. check the BTS |
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| 19:11.57 | Tramp | Fenix|work: as I said: IP based restriction. The IP is known to the higher level only after completing the handshake. The higher level could either be the libwrap (i.e. tcpwrapper) or the application itself. |
| 19:12.40 | Tramp | Fenix|work: however, this would either be visible in auth.log or (should) be recorded in the application-log |
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| 19:13.26 | liquidbread | How can I blacklist a module ? |
| 19:13.52 | stew | liquidbread: /msg dpkg blacklist |
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| 19:14.12 | stew | grendal_prime: i dunno. doesn't single user mode require a password as well? if on console, you could boot a livecd or an install cd |
| 19:14.36 | Darien | did someone break mysql? we just did an apt-get upgrade and our User tables got wiped out (I even had to run mysql_fix_privilege_tables on a 5.0 server) |
| 19:14.43 | abrotman | single does .. but init=/bin/sh doesn't |
| 19:14.50 | stew | grendal_prime: ^ |
| 19:16.07 | Fenix|work | Tramp, my pure-ftpd logs don't show any connection by that host. The connection is dropped before it asks for auth information |
| 19:16.17 | Fenix|work | and auth.log doesn't show the host either |
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| 19:16.35 | Tramp | Fenix|work: Hmm. Do you run it standalong or vi (x)inetd? |
| 19:16.45 | Tramp | standalone I mean. |
| 19:17.06 | Fenix|work | it would be with inetd, I installed the package with apt-get |
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| 19:17.41 | stew | InnerFIRE: can you please report this bug using reportbug? |
| 19:17.46 | Tramp | Fenix|work: do you have an /etc/hosts.deny file? |
| 19:18.08 | Fenix|work | Tramp, I do, but it's all commented out |
| 19:18.11 | InnerFIRE | stew: as soon as the fire is out and I'm not at risk of losing customers |
| 19:18.16 | Fenix|work | just the basic one |
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| 19:18.31 | stew | Darien: can you please report this bug using reportbug? |
| 19:18.49 | InnerFIRE | erm hey dan |
| 19:18.53 | Darien | yo |
| 19:19.08 | stew | whois Darien |
| 19:19.11 | stew | err |
| 19:19.20 | stew | oh, you guys are at the same site |
| 19:19.26 | Tramp | Fenix|work: What's the line for the server in the /etc/inetd.conf? |
| 19:19.32 | abrotman | maybe they shuld work together? |
| 19:19.57 | Fenix|work | Tramp, /etc/inetd.conf is blank |
| 19:20.07 | abrotman | stew: they're not the first i've seen reporting this |
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| 19:21.06 | Tramp | Fenix|work: what gives lsof -i:21 ? |
| 19:21.19 | TrueDD | Hi all |
| 19:21.32 | knoxy | hi all.. how can I do to my debian 4 etch work with a secondary HD Sata 2? It isn't detected by system.. |
| 19:21.39 | Fenix|work | Tramp, I don't understand your question |
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| 19:22.14 | Tramp | Fenix|work: The output of running "lsof -i:21" I'd like to know |
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| 19:22.47 | Fenix|work | pure-ftpd |
| 19:22.57 | Tramp | the whole line |
| 19:22.58 | bullgard4 | What does 'rc' stand for in http://www.bootchart.org/images/bootchart.debian.mcrae.0.png? |
| 19:23.07 | Fenix|work | pure-ftpd 6206 root 4u IPv4 16723 TCP *:ftp (LISTEN) |
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| 19:23.33 | abrotman | bullgard4: huge image .. where ? |
| 19:24.13 | abrotman | bullgard4: probably the run level ... like /etc/rc2.d/ etc |
| 19:24.17 | bullgard4 | In the chart proper, the sixth line. |
| 19:24.28 | Fenix|work | Tramp, there are a couple of other lines there, marked as (ESTABLISHED) at the end, so I believe their active ftp sessions |
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| 19:24.43 | Fenix|work | s/their/they're |
| 19:25.02 | Tramp | Fenix|work: Yes, that's right. I just wanted to verify that it runs standalone. |
| 19:25.18 | ale777 | does anyone know in which file does the history command look into? it's not .bash_history. thank you |
| 19:25.29 | Fenix|work | Tramp, that's my mistake. I forgot that everything runs standalone through /etc/inet.d/ |
| 19:25.48 | bullgard4 | abrotman: rc2, rc3, etc I would understand. But without any digit? |
| 19:25.53 | Tramp | Fenix|work: init.d - not inet.d 8) |
| 19:26.10 | Fenix|work | I *ALWAYS* type those wrong |
| 19:26.15 | abrotman | bullgard4: probably just entering another run level .. see how the rc bar (there are two of them) extends to each one below it has started ? |
| 19:26.45 | Fenix|work | Tramp, would it be useful to see the connection working from another external host? |
| 19:26.58 | bullgard4 | abrotman: I will follow your advice. |
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| 19:27.21 | abrotman | advice? |
| 19:27.43 | jelly-home | !info iceweasel sid |
| 19:27.46 | Tramp | Fenix|work: don't think so. If you say everything else works (and you have established control-connections) it appears to be a problem related to this IP. |
| 19:27.46 | dpkg | iceweasel: (lightweight web browser based on Mozilla), section web, is optional. Version: 2.0.0.9-2 (sid), Packaged size: 7915 kB, Installed size: 25080 kB |
| 19:27.59 | jelly-home | hey, still no 2.0.0.10 :-) |
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| 19:29.39 | Fenix|work | Tramp, the major difference between the bad IP and the rest is the forth line (second response from the ftp server) is P instead of F |
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| 19:30.30 | nareshov | Hi, I'd like to run this http://chaosforge.org/taw/jrpg/ what do I need to install? |
| 19:30.31 | Tramp | Fenix|work: well, that's just the "Push" flag in the packet |
| 19:30.52 | Tramp | Fenix|work: that's because the server is actually sending data and not just a Fin. |
| 19:31.01 | Fenix|work | yep |
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| 19:31.43 | Tramp | Fenix|work: what gives "ps auxww | grep pure-ftpd" |
| 19:31.54 | Fenix|work | on the bad IP they get 'Connected to ftp.host.com' then 'Connection closed by remote host' |
| 19:32.24 | Tramp | Fenix|work: yeah - that's what we see too in the dump 8) |
| 19:32.45 | Fenix|work | Tramp... can you go to #flood for a sec |
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| 19:34.24 | Tramp | Fenix|work: this is from "ps auxww" ?? |
| 19:34.30 | Fenix|work | yes |
| 19:34.48 | ale777 | how do i delete an item recently entered in the history? so an item which is not yet in $HISTFILE. thank you. |
| 19:34.51 | methods | why would network manager only show 1 card under connection information |
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| 19:35.20 | cga | hi can i install sid with netinst giving expertgui at prompt? if yes, can i chose KDE or will i be "forced" to install gnome? thanks |
| 19:35.28 | anaximander | ale777: open .bash_history with a text-editor |
| 19:35.54 | jelly-home | ale777: a fireproof way would be to kill that shell: kill -9 $$ |
| 19:36.19 | jelly-home | it won't get written down then |
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| 19:36.34 | Asmodee` | Today my raid5 was working fine, but I decided to do an apt-get upgrade, which only found samba to be updated. After this my samba file share was missing directories and showed a couple directories with trunctated names. I decided to reboot my system, upon reboot my /dev/md1 (raid 5 array) was checked for errors. After the system fully booted all of my files (it seems) that are larger than my raid stripe size are corrupt. |
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| 19:37.17 | Asmodee` | Is it possible that after a reboot mdadm assembled the drives in the wrong order or is using a different checksum algorithm from when the array was originally created? The /etc/mdadm/mdadm.conf doesn't list specifically devices, only lists a single UUID. It also doesn't specify the checksum algorithm. |
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| 19:37.44 | Fenix|work | Tramp, are you looking for the pure-ftpd command line? |
| 19:37.49 | ale777 | anaximander: the items are buffered so not yet available in .bash_hisory |
| 19:38.00 | Tramp | Fenix|work: actually, yes. |
| 19:38.41 | bucky | ale777, history -c and flush the whole history down the toilet |
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| 19:38.59 | bucky | cover your tracks |
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| 19:40.23 | ale777 | ok but how to delete a specifc item |
| 19:40.26 | Tramp | Fenix|work: but from the Doc I just see, that pure-ftpd fscks with the cmdline. |
| 19:40.45 | Fenix|work | Tramp, /usr/sbin/pure-ftpd -l puredb:/etc/pure-ftpd/pureftpd.pdb -l unix -l pam -s -Z -x -k 75 -O clf:/var/log/pure-ftpd/transfer.log -c 30 -C 10 -S 21 -F /etc/pure-ftpd/welcome.msg -A -u 9998 -j -4 -R -L 999999999:999999999 -B |
| 19:40.57 | Fenix|work | all thanks to pure-ftpd-wrapper |
| 19:41.32 | Tramp | Fenix|work: *g*. Fine. |
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| 19:43.40 | Fenix|work | actually the -l unix and -l pam aren't included in pure-ftpd-wrapper |
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| 19:43.53 | Fenix|work | (I removed them since taking that snapshot) |
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| 19:44.42 | ale777 | bucky: ok we can history -d (line number) |
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| 19:45.09 | ale777 | bucky: but then how to not have this command logged in the history! |
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| 19:45.46 | Elho0 | somone to help |
| 19:45.53 | Elho0 | nooby question ... |
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| 19:45.57 | Fenix|work | ale777, unset HISTFILE |
| 19:45.59 | Elho0 | how to add fonts ! |
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| 19:46.33 | Fenix|work | ale777, or ln -sf /dev/null .bash_history |
| 19:46.35 | ale777 | Fenix|work: cool thanks! |
| 19:46.50 | bucky | Elho0, apt-get install xfonts-base |
| 19:47.24 | Fenix|work | Tramp, so... I'm screwed right? :) |
| 19:47.47 | Tramp | Fenix|work: Actually, I'm running out of ideas. Since it happens after the handshake and you are not using tcpwrappers, I think it's the application. Therer is a "-d" Option (for debug). |
| 19:47.59 | mogra | !font |
| 19:47.59 | dpkg | 'fixed' is the one true font! |
| 19:48.01 | Fenix|work | I will try that |
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| 19:48.24 | Fenix|work | ale777, if you permanently want to disable .bash_history |
| 19:48.37 | Elho0 | bucky, thx i have it installed but how to use? |
| 19:48.38 | Tramp | Fenix|work: I have just one other idea... |
| 19:49.16 | Tramp | Fenix|work: Can you check, if reverse-lookup for this IP works for you? Maybe the server tries to resolve the IP reverse and bails out if this fails |
| 19:49.31 | Fenix|work | in /etc/profile put in export HISTFILESIZE=4 (new line) export HISTSIZE=4 (new line) unset HISTFILE (new line) ln -s /dev/null ~/.bash_history |
| 19:49.41 | jay | How can I mount an ext3 fs over the network? |
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| 19:50.02 | Tramp | Fenix|work: We don't see this in the dump (would be 53/udp probably, but I don't know how your server actually resolves) |
| 19:50.04 | Fenix|work | Tramp, how does one reverse-lookup? |
| 19:50.44 | Elho0 | how to add fonts !? i have xfonts-base installed but how to use? |
| 19:50.52 | Tramp | Fenix|work: nslookup (or host) IP |
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| 19:51.15 | kenjy | guys when you do a apache rewrite, for example from your site to google, the query generate a entry in the access log? it take resources from my server? or it is transparently redirected to another place (in this example google) |
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| 19:52.55 | Elho0 | how to add fonts !? i have xfonts-base installed but how to use? |
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| 19:53.05 | drewzf | What's the version number of lenny/sid |
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| 19:53.15 | Alarm | !fxglr |
| 19:53.18 | Alarm | !ati |
| 19:53.18 | dpkg | Want to use a newer ATI videocard in sarge? for etch/testing and sid/unstable, just install fglrx-driver and fglrx-kernel-src and read /usr/share/doc/fglrx-kernel-src/README.Debian.gz Try to avoid using ati's stuff directy unless you have to. --- I've heard the driver control panel app needs 32bit libs to compile under 64b, or chris.evenden@amd.com, or and open specs announced 2007-09-05 or ask about <radeonhd> |
| 19:53.33 | stew | drewzf: sid is never released, so it doens't get a version number. lenny hasn't yet been assigned a version number, it will get one when it is closer to being released |
| 19:53.37 | ampex_ | Is it safe to make lvm snapshots of live ext3 filesystems? |
| 19:53.41 | Fenix|work | Tramp, how 'bout #tcpdump -nevs0 host dead.host.com or port 53? |
| 19:53.42 | ampex_ | I know that xfs includes the ability to freeze writes to a filesystem for snapshotting purposes, while ext3 does not seem to have this functionality |
| 19:53.42 | Fenix|work | http://rafb.net/p/X1K8SZ21.html |
| 19:53.44 | drewzf | wtc |
| 19:53.47 | ampex_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:53.47 | drewzf | I'm on lenny/sid now |
| 19:53.49 | drewzf | o.O |
| 19:53.54 | Alarm | where can i find a good guide to install ati drivers ? |
| 19:54.00 | drewzf | I'm trying to do a directadmin install and they want a version number |
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| 19:55.16 | Tramp | Fenix|work: well, should work unless you use nscd on the server or the server itself is a nameserver |
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| 19:56.08 | Fenix|work | Tramp, it's not... resolves to public name servers |
| 19:56.57 | Tramp | Fenix|work: Then one should see. |
| 19:56.59 | Fenix|work | Tramp, I sent the pastebin |
| 19:57.03 | Fenix|work | ^^ |
| 19:58.18 | Tramp | Fenix|work: hmm. then this could be the problem... |
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| 20:00.45 | Fenix|work | Tramp, no reverse-lookup info? |
| 20:00.57 | Tramp | Fenix|work: Check the "-H" option for pure-ftpd - or suggest they make the reverse-lookups work. It doesn't work for me too. |
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| 20:02.29 | Fenix|work | -H passed, let me try |
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| 20:02.45 | Fenix|work | works |
| 20:02.47 | Tramp | Fenix|work: I'm sure, that's the problem. Send me 50% of what you invoice them 8) |
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| 20:03.26 | Tramp | thanks 8( |
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| 20:03.42 | Fenix|work | Tramp... I get $0 too so :( on me too |
| 20:03.57 | Fenix|work | Tramp, thanks very much though, it is greatly appreciated. |
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| 20:04.30 | elenril | what block size should i use when dd'ing one hdd to another? |
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| 20:04.46 | Tramp | Fenix|work: Tell them, their reverse-DNS is broken. These days this should not be a problem anymore - not even in Canada. |
| 20:05.08 | Fenix|work | Tramp, will do. |
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| 20:11.02 | _|Nix|_ | Hi! Packaging question: I had a package called pidgin that contained both pidgin and libpurple. Now, I want to separate out libpurple. So, much like Debian proper, I now have libpurple0 and pidgin. Unfortunately, this means that some files that used to be in pidgin are now in libpurple0. Contd. |
| 20:11.22 | _|Nix|_ | So, when people upgrade, the files from the new libpurple0 conflict with the files in the old pidgin. |
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| 20:11.51 | _|Nix|_ | So apt never gets around to installing the new pidgin because it claims that libpurple0 is trying to overwrite a file which belongs to pidgin. |
| 20:11.58 | _|Nix|_ | I assume here that it means the old pidgin. |
| 20:12.12 | _|Nix|_ | What's the canonical way of solving this? |
| 20:12.53 | azeem | which file is this? |
| 20:12.59 | _|Nix|_ | libsimple.so |
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| 20:13.01 | azeem | _|Nix|_: are you running unstable? |
| 20:13.03 | azeem | eh |
| 20:13.21 | _|Nix|_ | azeem: This is not for Debian. It's for maemo. I'm trying to learn how to properly provide an upgrade path. |
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| 20:13.38 | _|Nix|_ | azeem: I have factored out libpurple0 so that I may interoperate with telepathy-haze in the future. |
| 20:13.54 | azeem | _|Nix|_: and Debian doesn't have libpurple? |
| 20:13.59 | jelly-home | _|Nix|_: versioned (Conflicts + Replaces) on << new-version, I believe. |
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| 20:14.23 | azeem | _|Nix|_: debian unstable has libpurple0 as well |
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| 20:14.34 | _|Nix|_ | azeem: That's great. |
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| 20:14.46 | jelly-home | wasn't there a -mentors channel? |
| 20:14.57 | _|Nix|_ | azeem: Unfortunately, debian unstable doesn't work on maemo - yet. |
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| 20:15.09 | _|Nix|_ | jelly-home: Thanks, but I'm not sure I understand. |
| 20:15.24 | azeem | _|Nix|_: ok, but you could use the unstable source package and recompile it for maemo maybe |
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| 20:15.34 | azeem | _|Nix|_: no need to deviate from what Debian does |
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| 20:16.01 | _|Nix|_ | azeem: Need, no. Desire, yes. I have some maemo-specific patches, and I apply them straight to upstream. |
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| 20:16.42 | _|Nix|_ | azeem: Also, I had to heavily modify the debian/ directory to work with Maemo. Yes, I know, it is Maemo that's broken, but, well, there it is. |
| 20:16.54 | azeem | that's a pity |
| 20:17.09 | jelly-home | _|Nix|_: if your package foo version 2.0 has a file from bar version 1.9, and depends on bar 2.0, adding Conflicts: bar (<< 2.0) and Replaces: bar (<< 2.0) (in addition to already existing Depends: bar should help |
| 20:17.15 | stew | _|Nix|_: if package A version 1 provides file foo and you split that into package A and package B version 2.0 where package B now provides foo, then package B must conflict with A ( << 2.0) |
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| 20:17.52 | jelly-home | stew: hm, just c., not c+r? |
| 20:17.52 | stew | jelly-home: i don't think you want replaces, since a new version of bar would be depending on foo in this case |
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| 20:18.38 | jelly-home | too lazy to open the policy ;-) |
| 20:18.58 | elia | hola |
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| 20:19.09 | _|Nix|_ | I think I like stew's better ... |
| 20:19.17 | Nuxis | is there any way to change the size of the font when I boot my debian (to get smaller letters) |
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| 20:19.56 | _|Nix|_ | I will try that. Unfortunately, I think "Conflicts:" of any kind will cause application manager to bomb out. Still, this latter part is speculation, so *crack knuckles* |
| 20:20.10 | stew | jelly-home: i think replaces is correct but not necessary, "Packages can declare in their control file that they should overwrite files in certain other packages, or completely replace other packages" |
| 20:20.13 | DustyDingo | hi, i am looking for a software to synchronize 2-3 working copies with a central repository. i need something different for svn, i don't want real version control because the rep would include nearly every kind of data i have (images, text, pdf, videos,...) |
| 20:20.16 | _|Nix|_ | Thanks, everybody. I will check back if it fails. |
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| 20:20.46 | DustyDingo | so version tracking on file timestamps would be fine, any recommendations? |
| 20:21.31 | DustyDingo | and there won't be any conflicts within single files, tho it would be nice if it can handle that too |
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| 20:24.59 | jelly-home | !info unison |
| 20:25.07 | dpkg | unison: (A file-synchronization tool for Unix and Windows), section net, is optional. Version: 2.13.16-9 (sid), Packaged size: 483 kB, Installed size: 1100 kB |
| 20:25.23 | DustyDingo | thanks |
| 20:25.31 | jelly-home | haven't tested it, just remember it exists |
| 20:25.35 | _|Nix|_ | While we're on the topic of building packages: Why is it that, when I issue a fakeroot debian/rules binary after having just finished a dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot, it runs configure and re-builds the whole enchilata? It didn't do that when I had my own, hand-made debian/rules and not the cdbs one. |
| 20:26.19 | _|Nix|_ | I'd like for it to go straight into copying things from debian/tmp/ into the package subdirectories and running all the dh_* stuff and just building the packages. |
| 20:26.35 | DustyDingo | i first thought that rsync has a feature like that too but it still seems completely unidirectional |
| 20:26.36 | jelly-home | _|Nix|_: er, why not add -b to dpkg-buildpackage and let it built debs too? |
| 20:26.37 | _|Nix|_ | ... or wherever cdbs puts the make install results. |
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| 20:27.12 | azeem | _|Nix|_: usually, at least the make install steps gets redone |
| 20:27.27 | azeem | whether or not the rest gets redone depends on the debian/rules |
| 20:27.40 | _|Nix|_ | jelly-home: Interestingly, it builds all my debs even without -b. |
| 20:27.43 | stew | reason number 685 for not using cdbs if you want any sort of control |
| 20:28.02 | _|Nix|_ | stew: Thanks. /Now/ you tell me :o) |
| 20:28.13 | jelly-home | _|Nix|_: so... why the manual debian/rules invocation afterwards? |
| 20:28.19 | DustyDingo | jelly-home: ah, forget rsync, unison works over ssh too, that was my #1 argument for rsync |
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| 20:28.31 | stew | or at least another reason for not using cdbs if you ever want to understand what is actually going on |
| 20:28.42 | _|Nix|_ | jelly-home: For example, if I change the control file or one of the .install files, I just wanna re-package everything, not rebuild everything. |
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| 20:29.30 | _|Nix|_ | jelly-home: Also, MAKEFLAGS=-j3 breaks the build :o( |
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| 20:29.34 | Ryushin | What kind of dpkg command can I run to determine if the config files have changed for a package |
| 20:29.43 | _|Nix|_ | jelly-home: Total waste of time without -j3 |
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| 20:30.32 | astrolux | hi. is there a defined place in /etc where to add static routes besides /etc/network/interfaces ? |
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| 20:33.25 | Soeki | hello, I'm trying to run slmodemd on a little etch box I just installed. but ldd shows that slmodemd is looking for a "glibc 2.4" which can't be found is that package avaliable on a repository? I can't find it... |
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| 20:34.03 | fuzzy | how do i get a list of installed packages? |
| 20:34.09 | jelly-home | _|Nix|_: hm, you could use an env.variable to do -j3 only for upstream make |
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| 20:34.32 | _|Nix|_ | jelly-home: You mean other than MAKEFLAGS? |
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| 20:34.58 | _|Nix|_ | jelly-home: That'd be sweet ... |
| 20:35.13 | setog3 | howto disable acpi on my laptop .. I remove battery, ac, thermal, .. but I have /proc/acpi/ with power_ressources and event and wakeup .. what must I rmmod ? |
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| 20:35.45 | jelly-home | _|Nix|_: yeah, make-kpkg has something similar |
| 20:36.11 | mikearthur | how do I apt-get source -b a specific version? |
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| 20:37.11 | _|Nix|_ | jelly-home: ... but that looks like a specific script ... does it call dpkg-buildpackage internally? /me goes skims. |
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| 20:37.28 | jelly-home | _|Nix|_: no, it has its own makefile stuff |
| 20:37.55 | _|Nix|_ | jelly-home: *sigh* ... I'm more and more convinced to revert to my old debian/rules ... |
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| 20:38.24 | setog3 | no idea ? no way to completly blacklist all acpi driver ? |
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| 20:39.19 | S4nD3r | my pendrive is not autorecognized by gnome, just when I run volume-manager. |
| 20:40.00 | azeem | S4nD3r: so add volume-manager to your gnome sessoin |
| 20:40.02 | azeem | session* |
| 20:40.15 | S4nD3r | how ? |
| 20:40.35 | petemc | setog3: you can add acpi=off as a kernel argument, if you're quite sure thats what you ant |
| 20:40.36 | azeem | isn't there a capplet in Preferences for that? |
| 20:40.56 | setog3 | petemc: I do that .. I juste want to try apm |
| 20:41.08 | setog3 | because wmxtutime seem to support apm only |
| 20:41.12 | setog3 | ok reboot thx |
| 20:41.31 | mikearthur | http://opensync.gforge.punktart.de/repo/opensync-0.21/dists/sid/Release |
| 20:41.43 | mikearthur | how can I force that to have the highest priority? |
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| 20:48.46 | fisxo1 | how do you clear your gnome session, so it doesn't run apps when you log in? |
| 20:49.25 | foo54 | what 64 bit disro could i run on t2250 (AMD64 or ET)? |
| 20:50.44 | Eulex | debian? |
| 20:51.12 | Eulex | debian has several 64-bit flavours too. but only one runs on your t2250, and that is amd64. |
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| 20:52.35 | megasquid | anyone know what could be causing my startup script not to run, i can go to /etc/init.d and excute it there fine |
| 20:52.52 | megasquid | but it doesn' seem to run on startup because the process i'm looking for isn't running |
| 20:53.10 | abrotman | is it linked in an rc dir ? |
| 20:53.28 | foo54 | oo thank you |
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| 20:53.58 | megasquid | abrotman, yeah, i did: update-rc.d my_script defaults |
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| 20:54.42 | abrotman | and the link is there? |
| 20:54.53 | megasquid | abrotman, yeah in all of them |
| 20:55.05 | abrotman | and if you run the link manually .. it works? |
| 20:55.32 | mkl1525 | Hi, did anyone experience today problems with php - mysql pear DB extension after doing upgrade today with debian sarge? one of my servers shows that function fetchrow is unkonown? |
| 20:55.41 | megasquid | abrotman, on boot start is supplied automatically correct? |
| 20:55.57 | abrotman | should be .. but you're saying the script runs fine after boot? |
| 20:56.15 | megasquid | abrotman, yeah i can run the link manually and the process will start fine |
| 20:56.30 | abrotman | is it a complicated script? |
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| 20:57.09 | megasquid | abrotman, no but its running a java program, JAVA_HOME is set in environment, any chance thats not loaded yet or something when the script is run? |
| 20:57.31 | abrotman | in which environment? the script or somewhere else? |
| 20:57.40 | megasquid | in /etc/environment |
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| 20:57.47 | abrotman | try setting it in the script |
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| 20:57.57 | megasquid | abrotman, ok |
| 20:57.58 | abrotman | (unset it from your env) |
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| 20:58.16 | abrotman | unset it from the one you're currently running .. |
| 20:58.21 | abrotman | then try the init script .. |
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| 21:01.59 | mikearthur | could anyone help me to build a source package please? |
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| 21:02.20 | azeem | man debuild |
| 21:02.33 | minus198 | Hi dudes... When I connect my camera, debian asks if I want do download the pics from it or just ignore.. When I press "Download pictures", nothing happens.. It just closes and does nothing... |
| 21:02.45 | minus198 | Is there a way to manually mount it? |
| 21:02.49 | megasquid | abrotman, ok thanks that seems to have been it |
| 21:02.56 | azeem | minus198: run gnome-volume-manager and see what is selected in the camera tab |
| 21:03.07 | azeem | minus198: are you running gnome? |
| 21:03.24 | abrotman | i think kde has a similar thing to do that |
| 21:03.34 | minus198 | azeem,Yes |
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| 21:04.07 | minus198 | azeem, well.. what does that do? Nothing happens anyways |
| 21:04.16 | azeem | eh |
| 21:04.24 | afaict | What's the best? I'm using debian in a 8gb usb stick. Should I use JFS or JFFS2 ? |
| 21:04.27 | azeem | gnome-volume-properties, sorry |
| 21:04.33 | minus198 | azeem, I see :) |
| 21:04.38 | afaict | Does JFFS2 make a difference ? |
| 21:04.52 | azeem | does JFS have anything to do with JFFS2? |
| 21:05.05 | simonrvn | jffs2 is not version 2 of jfs... |
| 21:05.10 | minus198 | azeem, Ah, found the error... "gnome-volume-manager-gthumb" doesn't work... |
| 21:05.20 | afaict | simonrvn i know that |
| 21:05.32 | simonrvn | right |
| 21:05.41 | minus198 | azeem, http://pastebin.com/m59348ef9 |
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| 21:08.06 | Jocke | If I release a new GNU/Linux-distribution based on Debian but with another name and artwork and without the non-free and contrib repositories, may I then use the Debian main repo (on Debian's main site)? |
| 21:08.45 | azeem | Jocke: you should at least be prepared to provide the source as CDs, e.g. |
| 21:08.46 | minus198 | Jocke, It CAN work, but it can also lead to HUGE problems.. |
| 21:08.56 | Jocke | hm okay |
| 21:08.56 | Jocke | thanks |
| 21:09.00 | azeem | Jocke: more kosher would be to run your own binary/source mirror of Debian |
| 21:09.03 | azeem | ... main |
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| 21:09.12 | azeem | Jocke: or was this a technical and not a GPL-violation question? |
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| 21:09.32 | Jocke | azeem, gpl- violation question it was |
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| 21:10.17 | spatulasnout | Howdy..! I'm trying to rebuild glibc with the source modified with some debugging statements. I've built it once, then modified the source in the build-tree directory. Now I'm trying to tell debian/rules to package that up into .deb's like it normally would (but without cleaning first.) ... Any tips? Everything I've tried yields various "Nothing to be done..." results. |
| 21:10.37 | azeem | Jocke: to make it more bullet-proof either ask on debian-project (or debian-legal, if you dare), or maybe in #d-d on irc.d.o |
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| 21:10.52 | Jocke | azeem, okay thanks! |
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| 21:11.16 | Soekisan | hello, I'm trying to run slmodemd on a little etch box I just installed. but ldd shows that slmodemd is looking for a "glibc 2.4" which can't be found is that package avaliable on a repository? I can't find it... |
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| 21:11.47 | cayres | what version of libmysqlclient should I install? theres 10, 12, 14, 15, *-dev versions and 15off |
| 21:11.47 | azeem | Soekisan: install etch's sl-modem-daemon |
| 21:12.11 | simonrvn | latest one, 15off |
| 21:12.12 | Soekisan | thats the package name? |
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| 21:12.20 | cayres | ok thanks |
| 21:13.16 | sdubois92 | im trying to configure synaptics on my macbook and the Debian wiki says to add a line to /etc/modprobe.d/, but thats a directory with about 12 files. does anyone know what file i should add it to? |
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| 21:13.40 | Soekisan | ok im looking for the package on the debian site |
| 21:13.43 | abrotman | azeem: is there a mailing list discussion about the problems with the mysql/samba updates ? |
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| 21:14.27 | azeem | abrotman: what about mysql? |
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| 21:15.05 | abrotman | azeem: we've had a few people in here saying their data is gone after the last security update |
| 21:15.10 | azeem | uh |
| 21:15.19 | azeem | there's a samba bug |
| 21:15.19 | Soekisan | ah, its non free |
| 21:15.27 | azeem | didn't hear about mysql yet |
| 21:15.46 | abrotman | azeem: /lastlog INNERFire .. or whatever the nick was .. Darien also IIRC |
| 21:15.59 | jelly-home | etch, sarge or both? |
| 21:16.07 | abrotman | i sent one of them to #debian-security .. not sure if that will be much help or not ... |
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| 21:16.17 | abrotman | jelly-home: for samba or mysql? |
| 21:16.25 | azeem | etch for samba |
| 21:16.26 | jelly-home | mysql |
| 21:17.19 | spatulasnout | Hi, is there an appropriate channel to ask about rebuilding/modifying glibc with some debugging code added? |
| 21:17.34 | abrotman | i mean .. i guess it could have been something on their end |
| 21:17.38 | jelly-home | abrotman: so was it just one instance of mysql breakage in the end, or more than one? |
| 21:17.51 | abrotman | jelly-home: two people on the same host .. but i thought i saw one last night too |
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| 21:18.20 | jelly-home | ah. same host = same breakage |
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| 21:18.33 | abrotman | right ... |
| 21:18.36 | darkbahamut | hello everyone |
| 21:18.40 | abrotman | but like i said. .. i thought i saw one last night |
| 21:18.40 | jelly-home | hm. lemme grep a bit. |
| 21:18.49 | Soekisan | azeem I have etch cd1 only, how can i know if the sl-modem-daemon is there? just add non-free to the sources.list and update? |
| 21:18.56 | jelly-home | it leaves the irc online all the time |
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| 21:19.14 | fuzzy | is there anyone around that's familiar with installing bugzilla? I've got it installed and pointed at a mysql database on another server, now i just need to populate the db with the tables, is there a .sql file somewhere i can use to do this? |
| 21:19.15 | abrotman | Soekisan: it's not on CD1 |
| 21:19.51 | Soekisan | i thought so |
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| 21:20.52 | abrotman | !cd contents |
| 21:20.52 | dpkg | To find out what is on what cd, use the searchable index at http://www.debian.org/CD/jigdo-cd/#search or download the .jigdo template from the same location and zless fooimage.jigdo. In the [Parts] section you will see the list of packages that are contained in the cd. Also ask me about <cd contents sarge>. |
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| 21:20.53 | jelly-home | We're GNU, we'll use [[:digit:]], it's nicer! :-| |
| 21:20.55 | abrotman | fuzzy: /usr/share/doc/bugzilla/ say anything useful ? |
| 21:21.07 | fuzzy | unfort i'm not seeing anything useful in there |
| 21:21.26 | abrotman | fuzzy: you can list the contents of the bugzilla package with dpkg -L |
| 21:21.37 | fuzzy | i'll try that thanks |
| 21:21.39 | Soekisan | i shared the internet of this windows machine to the etch box.... so if i just add a repository to it. thanks i was going the manual way without knowing there was such package |
| 21:21.46 | Soekisan | !repositories |
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| 21:23.06 | abrotman | Soekisan: what are you looking for? |
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| 21:23.57 | Soekisan | slmodemd |
| 21:24.13 | abrotman | !info slmodem-source etch |
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| 21:24.39 | abrotman | !info sl-modem-source etch |
| 21:24.41 | dpkg | sl-modem-source: (SmartLink software modem driver - module building source), section non-free/misc, is optional. Version: 2.9.9d+e-pre2-7etch2 (etch), Packaged size: 213 kB, Installed size: 268 kB |
| 21:24.49 | Soekisan | I got one from the linmodems site but its complaining about not having glibc 2.4, and well... afaik etch its 2.3.x |
| 21:25.08 | darkbahamut | hey does anyone here use aircrack? |
| 21:25.15 | abrotman | Soekisan: add non-free sources (probably need contrib too .. run aptitude update ; m-a a-i sl-modem |
| 21:25.21 | simonrvn | !anyone use |
| 21:25.21 | dpkg | No, no one uses it, not even the people who use it. |
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| 21:25.53 | darkbahamut | just wondering o.O |
| 21:26.08 | Soekisan | thanks abrotman |
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| 21:26.57 | simonrvn | ask your real question, then you'll get a better answer |
| 21:27.09 | _|Nix|_ | Hello again! How do I extract the postinst, prerm, etc. scripts from a .deb into my current directory? |
| 21:27.09 | abrotman | why do canadians say eh? |
| 21:27.14 | abrotman | ar x |
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| 21:27.16 | _|Nix|_ | I'm looking at dpkg --help ... |
| 21:27.25 | _|Nix|_ | OK. |
| 21:27.28 | _|Nix|_ | Cool. |
| 21:27.35 | _|Nix|_ | Little did I know :o) |
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| 21:28.13 | simonrvn | we say eh often too, esp. english speaking natives |
| 21:28.21 | Tramp | jelly-home: apt-get install pcregrep |
| 21:28.38 | abrotman | simonrvn: i was including natives in those north of the .us border :) |
| 21:29.02 | simonrvn | naw it's ok |
| 21:29.14 | simonrvn | common error :/ |
| 21:29.28 | jelly-home | abrotman: ah, found the mysql person kie27 at Nov 27 04:04:08 UTC |
| 21:29.34 | simonrvn | dunno, variant of hunh i guess |
| 21:29.37 | abrotman | jelly-home: same issue? |
| 21:29.43 | jelly-home | dunno, reading |
| 21:30.08 | jelly-home | Stu 27 05:36:33 <kie27> mysqld_safe[32588]: started, mysqld[32591]: ^G/usr/sbin/mysqld: File '/var/log/mysql/mysql-bin.index' not found (Errcode: 13), 071127 1:39:04 [ERROR] Aborting |
| 21:30.11 | jelly-home | is that it? |
| 21:30.43 | jelly-home | abrotman: I haven't taken a real look at the recent reports |
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| 21:31.06 | simonrvn | or hunh is a variant of eh... ask a linguist ;p |
| 21:31.09 | abrotman | eh .. i don't think so |
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| 21:31.19 | sdubois92 | im trying to configure synaptics on my macbook and the Debian wiki says to add a line to /etc/modprobe.d/, but thats a directory with about 12 files. does anyone know what file i should add it to? |
| 21:31.22 | abrotman | RACECAR! |
| 21:31.37 | abrotman | sdubois92: URL ? |
| 21:31.51 | simonrvn | sdubois92: make a file to include your local changes |
| 21:31.55 | sdubois92 | http://wiki.debian.org/MacBook#head-b5e4b425668a24b46ead13b652f997f38318678b |
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| 21:32.28 | Kartoffelsalat | is there an linux translation channel? or does someone uses gettext? |
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| 21:32.57 | abrotman | sdubois92: i think you make a file called the module you want to affect ? |
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| 21:33.38 | abrotman | appletouch in this case it seems |
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| 21:35.12 | jelly-home | abrotman: no, the file name doesn't matter. I use /etc/modprobe.d/local |
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| 21:35.53 | abrotman | jelly-home: i know it doesn't amtter .. i meant for record keeping :) |
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| 21:36.18 | abrotman | guess i should have made that more clear |
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| 21:37.10 | sdubois92 | abrotman: so just make a file with just the line the wiki says? |
| 21:37.13 | mikearthur | how can I make a package pretend to be a different version? |
| 21:37.23 | mikearthur | or pretend to fill a dependency that doesn't exist |
| 21:37.40 | Nuxis | I can't print (user not in group) but I don't see the group "printer" to add my account to :s |
| 21:38.38 | abrotman | !equivs |
| 21:38.38 | dpkg | [equivs] a package that enables you to create dummy packages that tell apt you really have installed (through some other means) the package. apt-get install equivs, and read /usr/share/doc/equivs/*, or see also <usrlocal> |
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| 21:41.17 | Nuxis | someone know how to solve that? |
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| 21:41.57 | stew | Nuxis: perhaps the lp group? |
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| 21:43.26 | ekim|linux | Hey |
| 21:43.44 | ekim|linux | every package I have ever installed puts a deb inside /var/cache/apt/archives |
| 21:43.44 | Nuxis | stew: k tnx that was it |
| 21:43.45 | ekim|linux | what for ? |
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| 21:45.12 | karsten | So, what happens if you try to copy a DRM'd DVD via 'dd' in Linux? I found an error at about 16 MB when trying to copy a DVD to HD recently. |
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| 21:46.06 | gkiagia | ekim|linux: apt downloads the package in that dir and then it installs it. if you want to remove these debs, "apt-get clean" |
| 21:46.08 | zinx | karsten: that's not a DVD if the "error" was intentional. |
| 21:46.23 | Kobaz | what's the easiest way I can monkey with an iso image, i want to replace the kernel on a knoppix cd |
| 21:46.34 | stew | Kobaz: ask #knoppix |
| 21:46.37 | zinx | karsten: but you can make dd ignore errors |
| 21:46.38 | spq | the count of packages in the debian main repository + security updates is nice - 17777 packages :) |
| 21:46.49 | spq | (for amd64) |
| 21:47.01 | Kobaz | stew: yeah but, this isn't a knoppix specific question, this could apply to any iso |
| 21:47.04 | zinx | karsten: just be sure to specify sync as well if you do, because it thinks error sectors are zero bytes otherwise ;) |
| 21:47.18 | ekim|linux | gkiagia, will something bad happen if I remove them ? |
| 21:47.20 | stew | Kobaz: then ask ##linux |
| 21:47.34 | Kobaz | but they aren't as smart :( |
| 21:47.44 | gkiagia | ekim|linux: no, they are not needed when they are installed |
| 21:47.45 | Kobaz | i like my debian family |
| 21:47.54 | wols | Kobaz: debian is a very dumb channel. not to mention we are very rude too |
| 21:47.55 | Caelum | anyone know if there are known problems with fglrx+xinerama+dri? |
| 21:48.06 | Kobaz | heh |
| 21:48.10 | petemc | theres plenty of info on knoppix remastering on the web |
| 21:48.17 | ekim|linux | gkiagia, great thanks .... that saves me like 5 gigs |
| 21:48.22 | mogra | !tell Kobaz about google |
| 21:48.27 | Kobaz | yes i know about google |
| 21:48.31 | mogra | :) |
| 21:48.37 | gkiagia | ekim|linux: yeah, I know.... :) |
| 21:48.38 | Kobaz | i was just looking for a general purpose app to edit an iso image |
| 21:48.45 | stew | Kobaz: if you want the debian answer, it is: http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/Modify/CustomKernel no idea if that has anything to do with knoppix |
| 21:48.47 | ekim|linux | gkiagia, does it start deleting them automatically ? |
| 21:48.54 | ekim|linux | because if not...that seems like a flaw |
| 21:49.00 | ekim|linux | cache is not supposed to be infinite... |
| 21:49.02 | ekim|linux | thats the point |
| 21:49.03 | stew | Kobaz: iso is a readonly filesystem. you'd have to make a new one |
| 21:49.06 | Kobaz | stew: i know where the stuff is, i just wanted to monkey the iso |
| 21:49.09 | Kobaz | yeah i know |
| 21:49.23 | Kobaz | it's more about editing the iso than anything else |
| 21:49.27 | stew | Kobaz: you can't |
| 21:49.37 | tecky | i.e he wants to break the fucking iso then blame us for telling him how to do |
| 21:49.40 | tecky | + it |
| 21:49.41 | nivanson | ekim|linux: try hitting <enter> less. why should it be a flaw if it doesn't autoclean the cache of debs? |
| 21:49.42 | Kobaz | hehe |
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| 21:50.02 | wols | Kobaz: just accept it already. you won't get your answer here |
| 21:50.04 | mogra | Kobaz I use RIP, which comes with the ability to remaster it's own ISO. |
| 21:50.22 | Kobaz | mmm |
| 21:50.25 | Kobaz | interesting |
| 21:50.27 | mogra | rather, *used |
| 21:50.32 | tecky | Kobaz: /quit |
| 21:50.45 | stew | tecky: stop |
| 21:50.47 | Kobaz | mogra: url? |
| 21:50.50 | mogra | Considering I'm not in Field IT work anymore, I have no reason for LiveCDs |
| 21:50.54 | abrotman | ekim|linux: there is a way to have it autoclean |
| 21:51.06 | abrotman | ekim|linux: you can set a cache size limit |
| 21:51.10 | mogra | Kobaz: http://www.tux.org/pub/people/kent-robotti/looplinux/rip/ |
| 21:51.23 | Kobaz | mogra: i'm using a livecd to do automated installs of our own custom distro |
| 21:51.41 | wols | Caelum: snapshot.debian.net |
| 21:51.52 | Caelum | nice :) |
| 21:52.04 | mogra | Kobaz: Why not use Debian's NetInst coupled with an automated install script? |
| 21:52.13 | ekim|linux | How do I change my hostname ? |
| 21:52.14 | Ronin | or just run debian |
| 21:52.21 | stew | ekim|linux: /msg dpkg hostname |
| 21:52.21 | Kobaz | mogra: because it's really nice having a full distro as your disposal |
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| 21:52.21 | ekim|linux | I type "sudo hostname <new hostname> |
| 21:52.30 | ekim|linux | but when I reboot it goes back to default |
| 21:52.38 | Ronin | ekim|linux: /etc/hostname |
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| 21:52.44 | mogra | Kobaz: lots of upkeep, but that's your choice. |
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| 21:52.49 | ekim|linux | so what does "sudo hostname <blah>" do then |
| 21:52.52 | wols | Ronin: the more people run knoxy and ubuntu instead of debian, the less permasundays we have :) |
| 21:52.59 | stew | ekim|linux: sets the hostname |
| 21:53.02 | Ronin | wols: very true |
| 21:53.04 | ekim|linux | then how come it changes back... |
| 21:53.08 | Kobaz | mogra: lot's of upkeep? i use the same cd image for everything |
| 21:53.23 | stew | ekim|linux: becuase when you boot, one of the init scripst calls hostname to set it to whatever is in /etc/hostname |
| 21:53.27 | ekim|linux | you know how in the terminal you can type !! and it will recall the last command you typed |
| 21:53.27 | tecky | wols: permasundays ? |
| 21:53.39 | ekim|linux | is there anything else like that ? |
| 21:53.40 | Kobaz | mogra: it's the minimum amount of upkeep out of anything |
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| 21:54.13 | Ronin | !sunday |
| 21:54.13 | dpkg | Sunday is the day all trolls swarm to #debian, avoid at all cost to remain sane. |
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| 21:54.23 | nivanson | ekim|linux: like pressing <up-arrow>? |
| 21:54.26 | Caelum | heh |
| 21:54.40 | ekim|linux | no its better |
| 21:54.51 | gkiagia | ekim|linux: http://www.chris-lamb.co.uk/2007/10/09/top-10-interactive-shell-anti-patterns/ ;) |
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| 21:54.53 | ekim|linux | so if you type "apt-get install <long list of packages" |
| 21:54.54 | tecky | ha |
| 21:54.58 | tecky | why sunday of all days ? |
| 21:55.00 | ekim|linux | and you forgot sudo |
| 21:55.06 | mogra | Kobaz: then why are you in here asking how to customize it :D |
| 21:55.07 | ekim|linux | all you have to do is type "sudo !!" |
| 21:55.11 | tecky | i would imagine it friday night .... or saturday night .... *sigh* |
| 21:55.41 | Kobaz | mogra: heh |
| 21:55.55 | Kobaz | mogra: i just had a general question about monkeying an iso image, i shouldn't have mentioned knoppix at all |
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| 21:56.24 | Kobaz | since i don't need help with that part |
| 21:56.25 | CyberGabber | ekim|linux: use the TAB-key for tabcompletion |
| 21:56.26 | stew | Kobaz: try ##linux |
| 21:56.27 | mogra | Kobaz: I usually find that a good idea not to mention your distro in these places XD |
| 21:56.27 | Ronin | Kobaz: just go to ##linux and ask then, its really quite simple |
| 21:56.31 | Kobaz | yeah i know |
| 21:56.32 | Kobaz | i'm in there |
| 21:56.36 | Kobaz | i'm just saying |
| 21:56.40 | Ronin | mogra: doesnt matter, we/they find out eventually |
| 21:56.54 | Kobaz | well i do use debian :P |
| 21:57.02 | stew | Kobaz: do you have a debian related question? |
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| 21:57.19 | Kobaz | i use debian :( |
| 21:57.20 | mogra | *shrugs* I run Debian on my server and Ubuntu on my desktop, and I don't ask Buntu problems in here and don't ask Debian problems in there... |
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| 21:57.44 | mogra | And I don't know how much longer Ubuntu will be on my desktop anyway... <.< |
| 21:58.09 | ekim|linux | gahhh! |
| 21:58.16 | ekim|linux | I don't get it...why do people debate this |
| 21:58.23 | wols | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:58.24 | ekim|linux | ubuntu is just debian with a coat of paint |
| 21:58.29 | Ronin | ekim|linux: no its not |
| 21:58.30 | stew | ekim|linux: wrong |
| 21:58.32 | ekim|linux | explain... |
| 21:58.34 | Kobaz | wols: don't mention what |
| 21:58.35 | stew | ekim|linux: no |
| 21:58.48 | ekim|linux | Ok...I guess thats what you get when you talk out of your ass |
| 21:58.50 | ekim|linux | explain... |
| 21:58.50 | wols | don't mention that you don't run debian but something debian based |
| 21:59.16 | Kobaz | i've been using debian as my workstation/server os for like. 8 years |
| 21:59.18 | mogra | ekim|linux: it's Debian based, not Debian. |
| 21:59.31 | wols | ekim|linux: debian is snobbish. Debian has its social contract and its DFSG |
| 21:59.38 | wols | it's also vrey noncommercial |
| 21:59.50 | Ronin | wols: we're not snobbish, its just that we're better is all |
| 21:59.50 | wols | vrey different from any other distro imho |
| 21:59.58 | mogra | Haha |
| 21:59.59 | ekim|linux | How is debian *Technically* different from ubuntu |
| 22:00.02 | Kobaz | wols: i just happened to mention, while using debian, i was monkeying with something non-debian... heh |
| 22:00.09 | azeem | ekim|linux: dpkg -l | grep ubuntu |
| 22:00.20 | wols | mogra: DFSG and scoial contract. almost everything follows from there |
| 22:00.33 | azeem | ekim|linux: now please direct further questions to #ubuntu, because we consider them off-topic here |
| 22:00.37 | mogra | wols: scoial? |
| 22:00.41 | wols | also debian has no fixed release schedules. debian would be ashamed about the number of bugs in a release that ubuntu has when shipping |
| 22:00.47 | wols | social contract |
| 22:00.55 | ekim|linux | Please explain |
| 22:00.58 | ekim|linux | you disagreed with me |
| 22:01.00 | ekim|linux | now back it up! |
| 22:01.01 | stew | ekim|linux: they change all of debian's packages, and add some of their own. they have a different set of goals than debian. if you want to know specifically what they change, ask #ubuntu |
| 22:01.08 | ekim|linux | yeah |
| 22:01.12 | stew | ekim|linux: this is the wrong place for this discussion |
| 22:01.13 | ekim|linux | but at the core they are the same |
| 22:01.17 | dondelelcaro | Kobaz: as far as editing an iso image, it can't be done trivially. Mount it, copy it, and build it, or use growisofs or similar. |
| 22:01.19 | azeem | d'oh |
| 22:01.20 | ekim|linux | honestly...I am just curious |
| 22:01.21 | wols | ekim|linux: read the social contract and DFSG on debian.org |
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| 22:01.26 | Kobaz | dondelelcaro: yeah that's what i'm finding out |
| 22:01.29 | azeem | ekim|linux: well, do research then |
| 22:01.32 | lepine_w | how does one go about installing the same package twice? eg, two instances of apache (for php4 and 5)? |
| 22:01.40 | Maulkin | *cough* For random discussion, please head off elsewhere. |
| 22:01.40 | azeem | ekim|linux: debating different distros is not what we want to have here, sorry |
| 22:01.49 | Eulex | ekim|linux, *shrug*, you asked for the technical differences. |
| 22:01.53 | ekim|linux | I did |
| 22:01.54 | ekim|linux | yes |
| 22:02.03 | ekim|linux | Aren't they the same at the core though |
| 22:02.08 | wols | ekim|linux: compating distros is best done in ##linux |
| 22:02.09 | azeem | ekim|linux: I think you had plenty of warnigs |
| 22:02.10 | stew | ekim|linux: no. please stop asking this |
| 22:02.14 | Maulkin | ekim|linux: Elsewhere. |
| 22:02.14 | wols | we in here have all already made our choice |
| 22:02.16 | ekim|linux | Ok thank you |
| 22:02.20 | azeem | ekim|linux: if you don't stop, you'll be temporarily silenced |
| 22:02.23 | ekim|linux | Stew: that is all I wanted |
| 22:02.32 | ekim|linux | Sorry about that interuption |
| 22:02.33 | ekim|linux | :) |
| 22:02.37 | mogra | can't you just use the same apache and start it on a different port a second time, using the php4 module instead of php5? |
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| 22:02.53 | dondelelcaro | mogra: yes |
| 22:02.59 | wols | mogra: no. you can run one as cgi and the other as module under the same apache tho |
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| 22:03.01 | Kobaz | dondelelcaro: isomaster |
| 22:03.03 | holycow | lepine_w: unless the package allows for that you either compile from source and install using your own prefixes or you exytract the package and see if the application lets you put the binaries in custom locations from which you can run it (very tricky for something like apache for example) |
| 22:03.06 | lepine_w | mogra ... two diff config files i presum |
| 22:03.06 | wols | dondelelcaro: in debian? |
| 22:03.06 | lepine_w | e |
| 22:03.09 | Kobaz | http://littlesvr.ca/isomaster/index.php |
| 22:03.09 | dondelelcaro | wols: sure |
| 22:03.30 | wols | dondelelcaro: sounds very messy, config wise and all |
| 22:03.32 | dondelelcaro | mogra: but doing so is likely to drive intollerably insane. |
| 22:03.32 | lepine_w | can't that be specified in the startup script? |
| 22:03.40 | dondelelcaro | wols: oh, sure |
| 22:03.50 | mogra | Of course it's messy |
| 22:04.04 | mogra | and I don't recommend it, I think it would be smarter to run two servers xD |
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| 22:04.10 | wols | if you want both php4 and 5 usually the cgi+module approach is used |
| 22:04.18 | dondelelcaro | it's one of those things that is possible, but almost assuredly shouldn't be done |
| 22:04.22 | wols | but php4 should die a horrible fast death anyways |
| 22:04.25 | stew | lepine_w: you should, in general, probably be striving to migrate stuff requiring php4 to php5 in the longer term |
| 22:04.28 | wols | php5 only a normal death |
| 22:04.37 | simonrvn | 5/upgrade |
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| 22:04.53 | lepine_w | i completly agree ... except that i am bound to php4 for an application at the moment ... |
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| 22:04.58 | wols | mogra: php4 is EOLed btw |
| 22:05.05 | Ace2016 | Hi all |
| 22:05.07 | lepine_w | my coworkers decided that my vmware setup was undesirable ... |
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| 22:05.20 | lepine_w | and running two instances of all daemons would be simpler ... |
| 22:05.26 | wols | php4 is too. soon there are no updates for it anymre |
| 22:05.37 | wols | might get dicy for debian secruity team |
| 22:05.37 | lepine_w | and they actually suggested using windows ... |
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| 22:05.41 | lepine_w | adding insult to injury |
| 22:05.55 | Ace2016 | anyone using sid having problems with their numlock and keyboard characters changing, so if your numlock is on and you press o it shows up as 6 and stuff like that, but only on some keys though |
| 22:06.10 | stew | !+info libapache2-mod-php4 |
| 22:06.10 | Maulkin | php4 won't be in lenny |
| 22:06.12 | dpkg | Package 'libapache2-mod-php4' does not exist. |
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| 22:06.12 | dondelelcaro | Ace2016: sounds like you've got the wrong keymap selected, either in X or in the console. |
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| 22:06.14 | Ace2016 | without numlock everything is fine |
| 22:06.19 | stew | its already gone in sid |
| 22:06.28 | Ace2016 | oh but it seems good, stuff like £ works ok |
| 22:06.39 | wols | stew: but etch will be supported for longer than php.net will support it |
| 22:06.46 | Ace2016 | its not just in xorg, its in the terminal too |
| 22:06.50 | stew | wols: yes, thankfully |
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| 22:07.04 | Ace2016 | so would i be right in guessing a kernel issue or something deeper than just xorg at fault? |
| 22:07.36 | dondelelcaro | Ace2016: oh, you're talking about it remapping those bits; it could be your keyboard, or it could be the keymap. Check what xenv; says or showkey in the terminal |
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| 22:10.02 | Ace2016 | well the keycode and state are different when i have numlock on |
| 22:10.08 | Ace2016 | its a hp laptop |
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| 22:10.36 | puchu | hi |
| 22:10.41 | gnuite | I have a question about debian packaging (development) - is this the right channel? |
| 22:10.49 | abrotman | depends how indepth |
| 22:10.52 | puchu | why is this tmps dir created? whats it for? /lib/init/rw/ |
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| 22:11.13 | CaT[tm] | startup r/w space |
| 22:11.21 | Ace2016 | you could try debian dev channel on debian irc |
| 22:11.22 | mogra | !ask |
| 22:11.22 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org |
| 22:11.30 | puchu | can it get unmounted after the sys is up? |
| 22:11.49 | CaT[tm] | no idea if that'll have a detrimental effect or not |
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| 22:12.59 | gnuite | Ace2016: Is that on a server outside of freenode? |
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| 22:13.39 | stew | gnuite: #debian-mentors on irc.debian.org is a good place to ask. if its a basic question about packaging you can probably get an answer here as well |
| 22:13.40 | gnuite | Okay, mogra, I'll just ask. :) |
| 22:13.41 | johndoe | can i download somewhere 2.6.23.9 compiled kernel? |
| 22:13.57 | stew | johndoe: not from debian |
| 22:14.24 | spq | how can i sign packages i create and add the signature to the debian key ring (or how its called) |
| 22:14.36 | johndoe | stew: from somewhere else? |
| 22:14.42 | stew | johndoe: dunno |
| 22:14.46 | Ace2016 | stew: does it really matter which distro a kernel is from? could you extract for example an rpm and it'll work fine right? |
| 22:14.55 | stew | spq: debsign -kkeyid /path/to/changes |
| 22:15.02 | spq | i have some kernel packages, some backported packages and some patched packages for all my machines |
| 22:15.13 | johndoe | kernel doesnt have a distro |
| 22:15.16 | spq | hmm, that doesnt help me |
| 22:15.21 | stew | spq: or you can sign just the .dsc |
| 22:15.28 | gnuite | I'm developing a project on Debian, but I now need to produce .deb packages for two different targets (same arch, "armel") using two different SDKs. I'm wondering how to manage the versioning of each .deb. I can append a "-ID" string to each version number, I don't mind, but is there a better way than manually modifying the changelog file to control the version number? |
| 22:15.30 | spq | i dont have a dsc |
| 22:15.37 | stew | spq: you can't get your key into the debian keyrings without becoming a debian developer or a debian maintainer |
| 22:15.38 | spq | i currently have just a deb |
| 22:15.41 | DustyDingo | hm is there any usefull replacement for unison, that is still maintained? |
| 22:15.58 | spq | stew, i want it in my local machines keyring (or how its called) |
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| 22:16.18 | simonrvn | 5/quit |
| 22:16.22 | stew | Ace2016: you should be able to use a kernel from a different distro, yes |
| 22:16.23 | spq | best would be a package which adds the key |
| 22:16.25 | simonrvn | ffs |
| 22:16.27 | johndoe | etch - stable, lenny - unstable, sid - testing ? |
| 22:16.30 | stew | spq: man apt-key |
| 22:16.34 | Ronin | johndoe: nope |
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| 22:16.41 | Ronin | lenny - testing sid - unstable |
| 22:16.44 | johndoe | k |
| 22:16.50 | stew | spq: if you want a package that adds the key, look at the debian-archive-keyring package |
| 22:16.59 | stew | spq: are you going to put the package into a local repository? |
| 22:17.06 | spq | yes |
| 22:17.12 | spq | i already have a local repo |
| 22:17.20 | ekimus | DustyDingo: do yourself a favour and use a VCS i found that this works best instead of syncing, with the recent distributed version control systems (mercurial, git, bazaar,...) you don't even need a central server any more |
| 22:17.27 | spq | but the message that the packages arent signed disturbs and prevents updates |
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| 22:17.34 | stew | spq: in that case you don't sign the package, but you sign the Release.gpg for that repsotory, not the individual package |
| 22:17.42 | spq | ah nice |
| 22:17.43 | cTATUK | Any idea where I can get updated nvidia driver packages for Etch? |
| 22:17.57 | ekimus | cTATUK: backports.org? |
| 22:17.58 | stew | err, you create a Release.gpg which is a signature of the Release file for that repsitory... |
| 22:18.07 | spq | ok |
| 22:18.11 | Ace2016 | its already up to 2.6.23.9, guess its time to recompile |
| 22:18.23 | spq | so i will create that release-signature and a signature adding package |
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| 22:19.18 | gridl0ck | OFT: is there a debian logo with tux and the word linux i can convert to binary so i can add to my led ? i need a very simple format - i have the tux and the linux word - but i want all 3 (debian,linux,tux) thanks |
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| 22:21.33 | gridl0ck | i didn't think touchpad setup in debian was that difficult - i used debian to config my touchpad on all laptops |
| 22:21.39 | DustyDingo | ekimus: i don't need a revision controll system, i need a bidirectional file syncing tool, thats a difference |
| 22:21.50 | DustyDingo | s/revision/version |
| 22:21.55 | ekimus | i think i got disconnected before that got thru: Is anyone aware of a mailx like jabber client something where I can feed the message over a command line switch or something... |
| 22:22.54 | puchu | is there a way to disable the /lib/init/rw/ tmpfs ? |
| 22:22.59 | DustyDingo | .oO( lol, that was actually a typo, due to a lacky ssh connection ) |
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| 22:23.50 | stew | puchu: why do you want to? |
| 22:24.18 | puchu | stew i have only 32mb ram and a empty tmpfs also consumes ram |
| 22:24.20 | stew | gridl0ck: its generally not difficult. the problem was that his hardware wasn't detected as being a touchpad |
| 22:24.29 | sdubois92 | when i run update-initramfs is says i must specify one of -c, -u, or -d |
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| 22:24.39 | Ace2016 | puchu: what system is that? |
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| 22:24.44 | puchu | mipsel |
| 22:25.03 | CaT[tm] | I wonder what sort of a performance hit quota checking takes. |
| 22:25.03 | puchu | system type : Broadcom BCM47xx |
| 22:25.17 | puchu | BogoMIPS : 263.16 |
| 22:25.18 | puchu | :) |
| 22:25.24 | puchu | but debian runs nice |
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| 22:25.36 | gridl0ck | stew, difficult hardware end result? (: |
| 22:25.41 | puchu | stew is there a way to disable it? |
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| 22:26.26 | Ace2016 | wonder what win95 would be like on modern hardware once you manage to write some drivers for it |
| 22:26.30 | UstasW | interest |
| 22:26.57 | Ace2016 | agiofws_: whats wrong with that? |
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| 22:27.24 | puchu | Ace2016: do u know how can i disable the tmpfs partition |
| 22:27.42 | abrotman | !u |
| 22:27.42 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 22:27.46 | Bushmills | Ace2016: what use is stability of win95 itself if faulty apps can grinf the whole sys to a halt? |
| 22:27.50 | Bushmills | grind .. |
| 22:28.05 | agiofws_ | wrong with what |
| 22:28.06 | agiofws_ | ? |
| 22:28.28 | Bushmills | Ace2016: or do you want to run a sys which consists of the os only |
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| 22:29.02 | Ace2016 | yea your touchpad being detected as a mouse, whats wrong with that? what extra functionality did you get from the other kernel |
| 22:29.47 | _flame | hmm, i was wondering if anyone had the time to run through the procedure for installing the drivers for my wireless devices into 2.6.18-5 |
| 22:30.00 | abrotman | depends on the chipset |
| 22:30.02 | Ace2016 | Bushmills: no the apps were stable, word and excel worked well, nothing really wrong with it |
| 22:30.05 | stew | Ace2016: a touchpad has the ability to send click and scroll events |
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| 22:30.29 | _flame | abrotman its an atheros chipset, works with the madwifi-ng driver set |
| 22:30.31 | Bushmills | Ace2016: stable apps are stable, unstable apps aren't |
| 22:30.36 | abrotman | !madwifi |
| 22:30.36 | dpkg | madwifi is a driver for wireless devices with an Atheros chipset. More information is at http://madwifi.org/wiki/UserDocs/Distro/Debian. To install madwifi drivers built against Debian stock kernels, ask me about <madwifi-install>. No USB devices are supported. NOT for AR5007UG (aka AR2624/AR5524) chipsets, ask me about <zd1211rw> instead. |
| 22:31.09 | sdubois92 | when i run update-initramfs is says i must specify one of -c, -u, or -d |
| 22:31.15 | Ace2016 | Bushmills: i didn't have an internet connection at the time so no viruses or hack attempts or downloaded apps so it was good |
| 22:31.39 | gridl0ck | !debian logo |
| 22:31.39 | dpkg | i guess debian logo is the sweetest logo ever |
| 22:31.39 | Bushmills | win 3.11 was probably stable too, except that apps caused it to ceash a lot |
| 22:31.47 | beardy | sdubois92: Have you read the manual to see what these options do, and why they might be necessary then? |
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| 22:31.52 | _flame | ok, in a slightly restructured question. I need the kernel-source for 2.6.18-5 and apt-get install kernel-source-2.6.18 just gives can not be found |
| 22:31.56 | lepine_w | are the mysql packages built with hardcoded configs .. eg, data directory and config file location? |
| 22:31.59 | Ace2016 | oh i should run win in vmware |
| 22:32.04 | Ace2016 | i mean virtualbox |
| 22:32.17 | Caelum | or kvm |
| 22:32.18 | sdubois92 | beardy: now, im following the Debian on Macbook wiki |
| 22:32.26 | Caelum | or just use wine |
| 22:32.37 | m4st3r-y0d4 | Hey gails, i'm installing hplip and the installer says that i don't have installed GCC and C++ =S |
| 22:32.40 | stew | _flame: do you have etch in your sources.list? |
| 22:32.41 | Ace2016 | i saw someone running vista on a mac book, it was slow, |
| 22:32.46 | _flame | stew, yup |
| 22:32.52 | Caelum | m4st3r-y0d4: apt-get install build-essential |
| 22:32.57 | stew | _flame: oh, its linux-source not kernel-source |
| 22:33.01 | Ace2016 | m4st3r-y0d4: isn't what in the repos? |
| 22:33.14 | _flame | ah :] thought it might be |
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| 22:33.22 | m4st3r-y0d4 | yes, but it don't install all drivers |
| 22:33.32 | beardy | m4st3r-y0d4: And? Do you have them installed or not? |
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| 22:33.38 | _flame | once ive installed the source i just ln -s /usr/src/linux-source-2.6.18 /usr/src/linux yup? |
| 22:33.42 | Ace2016 | doesn't it? what is it missing? |
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| 22:34.05 | Ace2016 | i don't think that step is needed is it? |
| 22:34.06 | Lunar_Lamp | I have a script in /etc/cron.hourly that when run manually (i.e. ./etc/cron.hourly/script.sh) executes perfectly, but does not appear to be being run hourly. What might be going on here? |
| 22:34.29 | stew | _flame: no, there is no reason to make that symlink (and the README in the source directory specifically tells you not to) |
| 22:34.59 | _flame | ah heh :) so it does |
| 22:35.28 | Tramp | Lunar_Lamp: what is the name of your script? |
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| 22:35.53 | Bushmills | Lunar_Lamp: what have you done as far to verify/confirm that script isn't executed? |
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| 22:35.58 | flamesro1k | guys.. I'm using the debian amd64 cd to install gentoo (it has sata support) and it doesn't have xfs on it |
| 22:36.07 | Lunar_Lamp | Tramp, it's a self written one, called df-script.sh |
| 22:36.08 | flamesro1k | is there any way to get xfs support? |
| 22:36.17 | Tramp | Lunar_Lamp: This name is not legal. |
| 22:36.34 | Lunar_Lamp | Bushmills, well, when I run it manually it should send me an email, but it doesn't when it (doesn't) autorun. |
| 22:36.43 | Soekisan | does anyone knows what does this message means? codec_sempaphore: semaphore is not ready [0x1][0x300] |
| 22:36.43 | Lunar_Lamp | Tramp, well, that would explain it. Where can I find the rules for legal names? |
| 22:36.56 | Ace2016 | oh yea how do you check linux's email? |
| 22:37.03 | Tramp | Lunar_Lamp: crontab (5) iirc. |
| 22:37.20 | stew | Lunar_Lamp: the name of the file must be run-parts compatible, "man run-parts" |
| 22:37.32 | Ace2016 | when i login to a terminal it says i have mail, and i have no software that checks my gmail, so i assume that linux has some built in email inbox somewhere |
| 22:37.45 | nivanson | Ace2016: mutt |
| 22:37.55 | Bushmills | Lunar_Lamp: added something like, for example, date >> /tmp/foo to it ? mae sure script is not executed, as opposed to contents not executed |
| 22:38.05 | Tramp | Lunar_Lamp: basically (^[a-z0-9][a-z0-9-]*$) |
| 22:38.11 | beardy | Ace2016: Not linux, but your installation of GNU/Linux, yes.. 'mail'. Use 'apropos mail' next time too. |
| 22:38.17 | Ace2016 | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:38.31 | beardy | Ace2016: You have local mail. |
| 22:38.34 | Ace2016 | i want /home/ace/.Mail why do so many apps not use . for their config locations |
| 22:38.35 | Lunar_Lamp | Tramp, ok, thankyou - always nice to learn the reason why :-) |
| 22:38.42 | Tramp | Lunar_Lamp: np. |
| 22:39.10 | Ace2016 | run-parts: /etc/cron.daily/apt exited with return code 1 thats just status right? anyway why is apt running daily? |
| 22:39.35 | Bushmills | sorry, I'm a bit behind... typing with 2 fingers of one hand in lazy mode right now |
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| 22:39.38 | beardy | Ace2016: That directory is not a "config location". |
| 22:40.48 | Ace2016 | i hate it when apps put stuff in ~/. i wish they would just keep it in their config directories, i mean mail could be in .mail/inbox |
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| 22:41.44 | jirka | hello all |
| 22:41.48 | beardy | Ace2016: Many would disagree. You can put it there, and point your mailclient towards it if you want to. |
| 22:42.01 | Ace2016 | why? |
| 22:42.10 | Ace2016 | is mail stored as say text files? |
| 22:42.29 | beardy | Ace2016: 'man maildir', 'man mbox' |
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| 22:42.56 | expose | Hi |
| 22:43.16 | Ace2016 | argh, untaring a file slows everything, hard drives need some speeed |
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| 22:43.26 | expose | can i use a single package (and it's deps) from sid, but testing for the rest of the system? how? |
| 22:43.38 | expose | Or better: Where to search for such information? |
| 22:43.52 | Ace2016 | might if it does not have a lot of deps and other apps do not depend on it |
| 22:43.55 | Ace2016 | what is ti |
| 22:43.56 | stew | expose: /msg dpkg pinning /msg dpkg quick lenny/sid mix |
| 22:43.56 | Ace2016 | it* |
| 22:44.18 | Soekisan | does anyone knows what does this message means? codec_sempaphore: semaphore is not ready [0x1][0x300] |
| 22:44.34 | beardy | Soekisan: Where, and when do you see it? |
| 22:44.40 | Ace2016 | google it |
| 22:44.51 | Ace2016 | oh no results |
| 22:45.10 | jirka | is it possible to get (bring to front) the job started on background, in another ssh session? |
| 22:45.20 | lontra | is there anything analogous to procite for linux? |
| 22:45.24 | dondelelcaro | jirka: using screen, yes. |
| 22:45.24 | expose | stew: thanks |
| 22:45.29 | Ace2016 | search for semaphore is not ready [0x1][0x300] |
| 22:45.31 | Soekisan | after instalin sl-modem-daemon on etch. it made a symlink /dev/modem |
| 22:45.35 | Ace2016 | then there are results |
| 22:45.38 | sdubois92 | when gnome booted, my keyboard didnt wotrk |
| 22:45.39 | dondelelcaro | lontra: bibtex |
| 22:45.43 | sdubois92 | work* |
| 22:45.50 | lontra | dondelelcaro: thanks :) |
| 22:45.52 | Soekisan | on boot time and is promts that message |
| 22:45.52 | dondelelcaro | lontra: bibtex and latex is what procite wishes it could be |
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| 22:46.03 | bucky | Soekisan, you got to spell semaphore right |
| 22:46.06 | dondelelcaro | (and endnote, for that matter) |
| 22:46.53 | Soekisan | and when i tryed pon the screen just floods and the system wont take anymore input |
| 22:47.04 | jirka | dondelelcaro>and what if the job was started in plain ssh session and screen after it? |
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| 22:47.43 | m4st3r-y0d4 | Damn, now hplip want the cups-devel, but i can't find this one!! |
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| 22:47.58 | jelly-home | jirka: that's what screen is all about |
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| 22:48.12 | lontra | dondelelcaro: he he .. what do you? i see you hanging out in #r ... are you a stats prof or grad. student? |
| 22:48.20 | dondelelcaro | lontra: graduate student |
| 22:48.28 | jelly-home | jirka: however you need to run things inside screen |
| 22:48.39 | stew | jirka: apt-cache show retty |
| 22:48.40 | czr | hello. I want to report a bug against a sw package, where should I start? (running ubuntu, but the bug is present in upstream, which in this case is debian) |
| 22:48.41 | Soekisan | i found this: http://www.gelato.unsw.edu.au/lxr/source/sound/pci/intel8x0m.c |
| 22:48.48 | dondelelcaro | a graduate student procrastinating from writing his dissertation and finishing a response to reviewers, currently. |
| 22:48.58 | dondelelcaro | czr: just fire up reportbug, and report it |
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| 22:49.15 | sdubois92 | how do i boot without gnome, my keyboard doesnt work |
| 22:49.15 | lontra | dondelelcaro: he he ... i'm in that boat too |
| 22:49.18 | czr | dondelelcaro, it will file it against the correct bugzilla? |
| 22:49.25 | Soekisan | which of course has the source code that produces that error, but im lost. |
| 22:49.30 | czr | s/bugzilla/whatever bug-tracking is used/ |
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| 22:49.40 | m4st3r-y0d4 | men, do you know the cups development package? |
| 22:49.49 | dondelelcaro | czr: it'll file it against the BTS, which is what the debian maintainers deal with; they'll forward it upstream if that's where it belongs |
| 22:50.07 | dondelelcaro | m4st3r-y0d4: apt-cache search cups dev; will find it for you |
| 22:50.12 | czr | dondelelcaro, ok, will take it for a spin. thanks |
| 22:50.17 | dondelelcaro | !tell m4st3r-y0d4 -about search |
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| 22:50.33 | karsten | zinx: How do you make dd ignore errors? There's also ddrecover or ddrescue ( forget which , just installed it though). |
| 22:50.57 | jelly-home | there's ddrescue and dd_rescue ;-) |
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| 22:51.09 | jirka | stew>that "running" job is apt-get :) |
| 22:51.27 | dondelelcaro | jirka: if it's just downloading, you can stop it |
| 22:51.30 | czr | dondelelcaro, I've actually filed a patch against the upstream project (it's apt-mirror on sf.net), but the project admin is very slow to react to anything. hence the question :-) |
| 22:51.34 | m4st3r-y0d4 | ¬¬ |
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| 22:52.08 | dondelelcaro | czr: oh, just fine a bug using reportbug and attach the patch |
| 22:52.48 | jirka | dondelelcaro>it looks that it upgrades running mysql servers |
| 22:52.51 | anom01y | if I do ctrl-alt-backspace will it wipe out my other kde session as well that I have open (second user, have to use crtl-alt-f8 to switch to it) ? |
| 22:53.01 | dondelelcaro | jirka: well, wait for it then |
| 22:53.05 | jelly-home | anom01y: it shouldn't |
| 22:53.11 | anom01y | ok |
| 22:53.11 | lontra | dondelelcaro: so might i want something like pybliographer or python-bibtex? |
| 22:53.15 | anom01y | thanks |
| 22:53.19 | beardy | anom01y: No, it only affects the one you are typing it in. |
| 22:53.45 | Ace2016 | when compiling a kernel for a 64bit processor, how do i tell it i only want a 32 bit kernel, with all the extensions like sse3 and stuff the processor supports |
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| 22:55.27 | Ace2016 | if i were to compile a kernel on this the laptop get seriously hot, even hotter than if i just play ut |
| 22:55.30 | m4st3r-y0d4 | I cannot find this package!! I've tryed using apt-cache search and apt-get.org |
| 22:55.30 | pumpkin0 | I have a process blocked in D after hotpluging a CD-drive into my laptop (yes, it supports hotplug). What does "/lib/udev/cdrom_id --export /dev/.tmp-22-0" do and how can i prevent it from starting ? |
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| 22:56.28 | zinx | karsten: using the options - conv=noerror,sync will do it for simple reads |
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| 22:56.33 | czr | dondelelcaro, sry for more stupid questions. running a setup which doesn't have a working MTA at the moment. is there a web-interface for BTS somewhere? |
| 22:56.44 | dondelelcaro | czr: reportbug doesn't require a working MTA |
| 22:56.48 | Ace2016 | m4st3r-y0d4: have you tried packages.debian.org? |
| 22:56.56 | czr | oh, I thouhg it will send email immediately |
| 22:56.58 | czr | thought even |
| 22:57.19 | dondelelcaro | czr: it will, but it knows how to talk to your ISP's mail server or the BTS directly |
| 22:57.37 | czr | dondelelcaro, ah, cool :-) thanks agani |
| 22:57.41 | dondelelcaro | np |
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| 22:58.35 | sdubois92 | is there a way i can boot without having X load, my keyboard doesnt work |
| 22:58.47 | Fuzzy^2 | yes |
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| 23:10.53 | crossd | is apt the package manager? |
| 23:10.56 | crossd | or apt-get |
| 23:11.02 | liquidbread | Has anyone been able to install VLC ? |
| 23:11.06 | crossd | are apt and apt-get the same thing? |
| 23:11.15 | mick_home | crossd: pretty much |
| 23:11.19 | liquidbread | I should add with lenny ? |
| 23:11.38 | m4st3r-y0d4 | aptitude is the best |
| 23:11.43 | indigetes | could anyone help me configuring the opengl rendering for an ati radeon 9000 |
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| 23:12.55 | mick_home | i prefer apt-get to aptitude -- then again everyone has what they prefer |
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| 23:13.31 | mick_home | i hear that aptitude is better -- but so far i just apt-get w/ things like debfoster and deborphan and my system runs as i want it to |
| 23:13.34 | mick_home | ;) |
| 23:14.04 | liquidbread | indigetes: I've had a similar problem with this too.. |
| 23:14.47 | indigetes | you know how to repair it? |
| 23:15.22 | cusco | aptitude will install recomended packages |
| 23:15.24 | cusco | apt-get will not |
| 23:15.39 | liquidbread | indigetes: Not yet, I can get the Ati control center installed but I can't seem to get it to change from the software Mesa GL |
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| 23:16.02 | indigetes | neither do i |
| 23:16.26 | n3kl | Are debian kernels stock? As in, they come from kernel.org without any fancy modification or patching. |
| 23:16.40 | cusco | no |
| 23:16.45 | cusco | they are patched and modified |
| 23:16.57 | n3kl | Hmm |
| 23:16.59 | Ace2016 | why do they need to be patched? |
| 23:17.00 | cusco | certain modules that are not fully open, are removed |
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| 23:17.15 | indigetes | i have another ati driver but debian don't let me instal them |
| 23:17.21 | cusco | to comply with debian guidelines |
| 23:17.35 | Ace2016 | like get rid of proprietary bits? |
| 23:18.29 | cusco | like that |
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| 23:19.07 | Ace2016 | is there a place with debian guides? |
| 23:19.12 | Ace2016 | i need to install my wireless device |
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| 23:20.12 | bzed | Ace2016: which kind of wireless device? |
| 23:20.20 | indigetes | anyone know how to fix this: Detected version of X does not have a matching 'x130' directory/You may override the detected version using the following syntax:/X_VERSION=<xdir> ./ati-driver-installer-<ver>-<arch>.run [--install] |
| 23:20.23 | bzed | Ace2016: what's the lspci output about it? |
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| 23:24.59 | Ace2016 | 03:00.0 Network controller: Broadcom Corporation BCM4310 UART (rev 02) |
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| 23:27.23 | Ace2016 | i found a tutorial for ubuntu, it might work in debian i guess |
| 23:27.26 | sdubois92 | when debian boots, it loads X automatically, but my keyboard doesnt work in X. how can i boot without X? |
| 23:27.50 | simonrvn | /msg dpkg nodm |
| 23:27.52 | _flame | edit your innitab file |
| 23:27.54 | mrynit | i have been trying to install etch via net install. first i used a CD and then used the floppy method. both time i get the same error: "unable to install initramfs-tool" |
| 23:27.56 | _flame | *initab |
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| 23:29.20 | czr | dondelelcaro, my local MTA is now attempting delivery and failing (for the bug report :--) |
| 23:29.25 | simonrvn | _flame: doesn't work that way |
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| 23:29.33 | FDEHM | np: Felix Da Housecat - Rocket Ride (Soulwax Remix) ([ FDEHM RADIO : TOTAL REQUEST TUESDAY | www.fdehm.net ]) (54:21/Live) |
| 23:29.46 | simonrvn | FDEHM: go away |
| 23:29.55 | stew | FDEHM: please turn that off in here |
| 23:30.14 | n3kl | Is it common for a raid to use nearly all of a cpu when using it heavily? |
| 23:30.23 | Ace2016 | there is no np here |
| 23:30.28 | FDEHM | sorry guys forgot to put chan in except |
| 23:30.40 | CaT[tm] | n3kl: raid5? |
| 23:30.43 | Ace2016 | n3kl: how big is the raid, how fast is the cpu? |
| 23:30.44 | Bushmills | n3kl: ATA/IDE raid? |
| 23:31.14 | n3kl | SATA, raid 5 and 1 and 0 of different sizes. Raid 5 500G is the one that I am noticing it on the most. |
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| 23:31.49 | n3kl | System is still responsive and everything, its mostly system usage, userspace is still snappy. |
| 23:31.53 | Bushmills | n3kl: "pseudo" raid controller? or real controller? |
| 23:32.05 | Kevin` | n3kl md raid? |
| 23:32.05 | n3kl | Bushmills: ah, software raid. |
| 23:32.08 | n3kl | failed to mention that |
| 23:32.12 | n3kl | with mdadm |
| 23:32.35 | Bushmills | n3kl: wouldn't surprise me if cpu load is high |
| 23:32.41 | Kevin` | raid1/0 really shouldn't use THAT much cpu. |
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| 23:33.00 | CaT[tm] | n3kl: striping calculations would use the cpu I'd say. |
| 23:33.01 | Ace2016 | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:33.14 | n3kl | Kevin`: if I cd /; du -sh *& htop, one of my cores spikes |
| 23:33.37 | Kevin` | i'd test the load from raid on my computer but it's running ~6 virtual machines and it's load at "nothing" is quite high :) |
| 23:33.47 | n3kl | so this should not be a terrible concern? |
| 23:33.57 | CaT[tm] | n3kl: doubtful. |
| 23:33.59 | Kevin` | n3kl if it works fine, I wouldn't worry much |
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| 23:34.38 | n3kl | Reason I ask, I just installed a different kernel, and noticed it, perhaps its always been this way |
| 23:34.52 | n3kl | is there much of a performance loss in using a md raid vs a real raid? |
| 23:35.23 | Kevin` | it's very possible there's something up, it all depends on whether it's beneficial to you to try to pin it down, and it doesn't seem it it |
| 23:36.05 | Kevin` | read raid would definitely be lighter on the system, but to get the same performance with raid5 hardware would be expensive |
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| 23:36.59 | n3kl | Kevin`: I have noticed. Wish it were cheaper, BUT if I can get nearly the same performance out of sw raid, then... meh |
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| 23:37.14 | ipfreely | whats the prefered way of installing xen on debian [lenny], should i download source from xen or download pkgs? |
| 23:37.35 | Zippy2 | whats the command that shows how long a user as been logged into a system (from wtmp) |
| 23:37.41 | bzed | who |
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| 23:37.45 | bzed | or last |
| 23:38.04 | bzed | depends what you need ;) |
| 23:38.05 | ipfreely | Zippy2: last username |
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| 23:38.45 | Zippy2 | no, the total time from all logged logins |
| 23:38.48 | Zippy2 | aggregate |
| 23:39.20 | Bushmills | Zippy2: ac or sac should help |
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| 23:39.38 | Zippy2 | thanks |
| 23:39.48 | Zippy2 | im wondering how obsessed i am with this shell |
| 23:40.09 | Zippy2 | no such commands, oh well |
| 23:40.27 | holycow | if you wanted to put 10 hd's into a box running the older mobos with only pci interfaces ... what am i buying to allow for this, is it called a pci controller card or ... ? |
| 23:40.27 | Kevin` | n3kl on my system reading from a raid5 also causes cpu load but it it's hard to tell the percentage since it's not the only thing running |
| 23:40.34 | holycow | i don't need raid |
| 23:40.58 | Zippy2 | holycow: eide or sata controller |
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| 23:41.01 | Zippy2 | pci interface |
| 23:41.06 | holycow | aha |
| 23:41.08 | holycow | thank you |
| 23:41.16 | Zippy2 | (as opposed to usb, firewire, etc) |
| 23:41.30 | Kevin` | n3kl reading from a normal disk seems to do the same thing, though. |
| 23:41.33 | n3kl | Kevin`: I am using htop to show the load. top reports everyting is normal, along with other system monitors like gkrellmd |
| 23:42.16 | n3kl | Kevin`: which may be why I have never noticed it. I think I am going to boot back into the old kernel and check it out. I have alog of data to move around this afternoon, so I just want to be sure. =] |
| 23:42.28 | Kevin` | dd if=/dev/sda of=/dev/null will produce "100%" cpu load on mine |
| 23:42.50 | Kevin` | (normal sata disk) |
| 23:42.51 | n3kl | Kevin`: what are you using to monitor the load? |
| 23:42.54 | Kevin` | htop |
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| 23:43.01 | Gekz | hello. |
| 23:43.20 | n3kl | Kevin`: also, is sda a member of an array? |
| 23:43.25 | Gekz | is there any command on Debian to compile a package from apt-get instead of downloading the binary? |
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| 23:43.34 | Gekz | or only manually? |
| 23:43.34 | Kevin` | n3kl yes, but it does the same thing for any disk |
| 23:43.56 | Soekisan | where can I read the system messages that debian shows at boot time? |
| 23:44.08 | n3kl | Kevin`: ah. I wonder if it is just a system thing. I don't think I am going to worry about it. Btw, what kind of system are you on? |
| 23:44.48 | n3kl | Soekisan: issue? |
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| 23:45.33 | Kevin` | n3kl http://kwzs.be/blah.jpg |
| 23:45.42 | Kevin` | n3kl Hostname: vm - OS: Linux 2.6.23.1/i686 - CPU: Intel(R) Pentium(R) 4 (3000.000 MHz) - Processes: 76 - Uptime: 11d 1h 2m - Load Average: 2.78 - Memory Usage: 189.21MB/2027.67MB (9.33%) - Disk Usage: 1358.92GB/1926.58GB (70.54%) |
| 23:45.44 | ipfreely | anybody here install xen on lenny ? |
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| 23:45.59 | Soekisan | n3kl trying to make my linmodem work. its suposed to work with sl-modem-daemon but somehow at boot time the device is getting disabled. |
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| 23:48.16 | n3kl | Kevin`: I am going to write this one off as common undocumented linux behavior. Thanks for poking around |
| 23:48.33 | n3kl | Soekisan: like, and actual modem? |
| 23:48.41 | n3kl | I didn't know people still used them =] |
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| 23:49.10 | Soekisan | yeah |
| 23:49.24 | Kevin` | n3kl it could just be how it's interpeting the cpu usage. it seems like the process is IO bound for normal disks (they don't read faster then 50/60mbytes/sec anyway) |
| 23:49.25 | Soekisan | its an old pentiumIII box |
| 23:49.54 | n3kl | Soekisan: honestly, in my years with linux, I have only had to make a modem work once, and when I did, I used kppp |
| 23:49.55 | Soekisan | with a pcchips mobo that has this AMR modem. its on the supported devices list. |
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| 23:50.31 | Soekisan | yeah but im just using shell. no gui |
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| 23:50.45 | n3kl | Soekisan: is the module loaded? I like lshw to tell you what module is using what hardware. |
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| 23:51.21 | n3kl | Soekisan: if you can make the hardware work, I bet you can find a doc online for the ppp dialer portion |
| 23:51.25 | bucky | Soekisan, it's prolly getting confused about which irq to use.. |
| 23:51.49 | bucky | feed it some options in /etc/modules.conf or whatever |
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| 23:52.16 | Soekisan | might work. let me try it, thanks guys. |
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| 23:53.36 | SamuraiDio | hi |
| 23:53.52 | SamuraiDio | k3b is saying that canot open the device to burn discs |
| 23:53.58 | SamuraiDio | what can i do? |
| 23:54.51 | Bushmills | SamuraiDio: you could .. hmm .. determne the cause of the problem |
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| 23:58.16 | SamuraiDio | Bushmills, i think i found the problem |
| 23:58.24 | SamuraiDio | FILE "D:\TEMP PSX\FEAR EFFECT\CD1OF4.BIN" BINARY |
| 23:58.25 | SamuraiDio | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:58.25 | SamuraiDio | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:58.34 | SamuraiDio | this is the cue file i'm trying to write |
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| 23:59.44 | n3kl | essentially, you loose the capacity of a single disk in a raid 5 for parity. No matter the size or the number of disks in an array? |
