| 00:01.54 | stew | n3kl: yes |
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| 00:03.53 | Soekisan | n3kl lshw shows on *-communication UNCLAIMED |
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| 00:05.21 | Soekisan | shows IRQ 10, just the same the "multimedia" device has |
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| 00:09.52 | Saar | n3kl: why to not use raid5 http://www.miracleas.com/BAARF/BAARF2.html |
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| 00:20.32 | abrotman | so if the security.d.o packages introduce a nasty bug .. do they introduce a new DSA ... or wait for a new r# to fix it? |
| 00:21.18 | dondelelcaro | abrotman: generally release a DSA revision |
| 00:21.30 | abrotman | i guess that makes sense |
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| 00:21.53 | abrotman | i don't recall this type of thing(the samba stuff) happening before |
| 00:25.21 | dondelelcaro | yeah, that's most likely what will happen; vorlon will (probably) create a patch, get someone to test it, and then move on |
| 00:25.36 | dondelelcaro | probably wasn't caught because failing on large directory listings is kind of odd |
| 00:27.45 | bucky | what happened with samba? |
| 00:28.06 | dondelelcaro | 453050 et al |
| 00:28.33 | bucky | jeremy allison had a big article about samba security lately |
| 00:28.38 | bucky | http://news.zdnet.com/2424-9595_22-177478.html |
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| 00:30.39 | Dark_Apostrophe | bucky: The ex-novell guy? |
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| 00:31.18 | flamesro1k | so.. I partitioned a drive in the debian install disk, restarted, and now the computer says that no hard drive is detected (but it shows up in the bios) |
| 00:31.23 | flamesro1k | anyone know how to fix this? |
| 00:31.35 | abrotman | the computer says it exists but grub doesn't ? |
| 00:31.44 | flamesro1k | I don't have anything installed yet |
| 00:32.02 | flamesro1k | the bios says it exists, but the boot process after that doesn't detect anything |
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| 00:32.40 | abrotman | what was on the drive before? |
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| 00:32.54 | flamesro1k | nothing, I was partitioning it with the debian disk |
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| 00:33.05 | flamesro1k | it was a brand new WD750GB drive |
| 00:33.12 | DustyDingo | hm, i ran into the following problem |
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| 00:33.35 | DustyDingo | i install debian unstable on five md devices created with the debian installer |
| 00:34.28 | DustyDingo | then i installed debian stable on the same box on on another md device |
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| 00:34.51 | flamesro1k | any ideas? |
| 00:34.57 | flamesro1k | I don't know what to do from here |
| 00:34.57 | DustyDingo | in stable i have 6 md devices, but in unstable there are only the origianl 5 ones |
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| 00:35.21 | DustyDingo | any idears how the unstable sys can detect the newley created md device? |
| 00:36.09 | abrotman | flamesro1k: so the grub doesn't see it? the boot loader |
| 00:36.16 | pezz31 | flamesro1k: sounds like creating a partition failed, go back to partition manager |
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| 00:39.14 | pezz31 | and make sure you apply your changes |
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| 00:42.13 | n3kl | Saar: interesting read, thought to run a raid 10 for the size of array that I am looking for would require more sata ports than I think I have. |
| 00:43.01 | Saar | what about raid1? |
| 00:44.13 | abrotman | what about it? |
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| 00:45.14 | flamesro1k | abrotman: no bootloader installed yet |
| 00:45.18 | flamesro1k | I only partitioned the disk |
| 00:45.20 | abrotman | uh ... okay |
| 00:45.24 | snewp | does anyone use pidgin ? |
| 00:45.25 | abrotman | did you actually write the changes? |
| 00:45.30 | abrotman | snewp: plenty of people do |
| 00:45.36 | flamesro1k | pezz31, can't won't boot into a disk now |
| 00:45.46 | abrotman | including quite a few in #pidgin |
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| 00:45.51 | n3kl | Saar: same thing. I have six ports for sata, perhaps eight if I use another pci card, but thats not ehough to do what he is talking about |
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| 00:46.22 | snewp | ahmmm i did try apt-get pidgin but can't find one is there a mirror for it to be added in teh source list ? |
| 00:46.27 | spatulasnout | Anyone have any tips or HOWTO links on building a modified glibc build-tree with dpkg-buildpackage? I.e. i want to be able to modify the source and rebuild... but it either wants to clean the whole thing, or if I specify -nc... it seems to do nothing at all. |
| 00:46.30 | abrotman | snewp: in etch? |
| 00:46.34 | snewp | yes |
| 00:46.36 | simonrvn | snewp: not in etch |
| 00:46.37 | abrotman | it's called gain |
| 00:46.39 | abrotman | gaim |
| 00:46.46 | abrotman | gain is laundry detergent |
| 00:46.58 | snewp | hehe .. thanks abrotman |
| 00:47.29 | abrotman | surprised pidgin hasn't hit bpo .. guess there's a good reason though |
| 00:48.06 | lymeca | I'm trying to build a mirror of the official Debian package repository with sections for stable,testing,unstable,and experimental in i386,amd64,and source with main,contrib,and non-free. It's for my college. I've got Etch installed on this server ready to be set up and I'm manually creating the dists directory structure |
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| 00:48.23 | lymeca | Where can I find a good guide on how to automatically pull GPG signed packages from another Debian mirror? |
| 00:48.38 | lymeca | for multiple architectures and sections as well? |
| 00:48.51 | Saar | n3kl: i didn't follow the discussion, if there was any, but i guess one could get larger size hds and then just use raid1, of course if getting other hds is not an option.. |
| 00:49.00 | lymeca | So the pooled packages I want in another dir 'pool' with the Release files and package lists in dists |
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| 00:49.08 | n3kl | forgive me for my dev-cycle ignorance, but is there any reason why distros are not working together to make a better, single distro? |
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| 00:49.49 | n3kl | Saar: thanks for the read. I will ahve to add the cost of extra sata controllers. I am looking into building a large raid soon. |
| 00:49.57 | n3kl | well, sorta large |
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| 00:50.06 | Saar | right |
| 00:50.06 | abrotman | lymeca: debian.org/mirrors |
| 00:50.20 | abrotman | n3kl: they've done that .. remember United Linux? |
| 00:50.33 | Saar | to me it will pay off to use a 50% mirroring array like raid1 or raid10 |
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| 00:50.59 | Saar | n3kl: because it's human nature :) |
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| 00:51.18 | n3kl | Saar: but you need 80% more disks than that in a raid 5 |
| 00:51.20 | simonrvn | s,human nature,cutural, |
| 00:51.22 | simonrvn | cult* |
| 00:51.27 | Saar | why is there not 1 car, 1 type of bread, 1 party |
| 00:51.29 | abrotman | n3kl: that baarf website is kind of silly |
| 00:51.52 | Saar | n3kl: but you'll be happy when sth breaks |
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| 00:52.13 | n3kl | abrotman: for a united linux sort of market, I don't think novell should be heading it off |
| 00:52.15 | Saar | i guess it all depends on how bad it is if your raid fails |
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| 00:52.27 | n3kl | Saar: prolly true |
| 00:52.29 | abrotman | n3kl: it's been dead awhile |
| 00:52.34 | Saar | i mean how much you need your data to be always there |
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| 00:53.09 | n3kl | abrotman: so again, I ask: you are an educated individual. what do you think about a single distro sort of linux world? |
| 00:53.10 | Saar | i put the email on a raid1, cause thats rather important |
| 00:53.32 | Saar | a developers database could be on raid5 cause its ok if it breaks, its not a production machine |
| 00:53.33 | kgoetz | n3kl: imposible and silly |
| 00:53.43 | n3kl | kgoetz: why? |
| 00:53.47 | Saar | (and i dont have to fix the database ;-) |
| 00:54.06 | Saar | we all want choice |
| 00:54.14 | Saar | even windoze has many flavours |
| 00:54.16 | APhotoWizard | Hi, I am helping my son install Debian via phone. He does not have Internet access. The mouse does not work (No light on mouse) When he tries to install hotplug it tries to uninstall the kernel. Any ideas? |
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| 00:54.20 | kgoetz | n3kl: theres no reason to only have one. you dont expect other areas with competition to merge into one blob, why should GNU/Linux distros? |
| 00:54.25 | n3kl | Saar: this is true. This is a home installation that I am working on, but nonetheless, I have lost data in the past, once and only once, and it was not pretty. |
| 00:54.48 | n3kl | kgoetz: open source |
| 00:54.56 | kgoetz | n3kl: Free software, kthxbai |
| 00:55.06 | Saar | n3kl: if you wish to prevent that by all means then use raid1 or 10 and rsync that to another hd setup also |
| 00:55.16 | Saar | in another location |
| 00:55.43 | n3kl | kgoetz: open source is onc of the fist productive anomalies that have come out of a society where it is driven by the community for no other reason than to make it work |
| 00:55.53 | abrotman | Saar: that's silly |
| 00:56.01 | kgoetz | n3kl: pardon? |
| 00:56.22 | snewp | anyone has idea for this error: checking for XML::Parser... configure: error: XML::Parser perl module is required for intltool |
| 00:56.28 | n3kl | kgoetz: You have to wonder, why does open source exist. There is hardly money to be made in the matter. |
| 00:56.45 | abrotman | snewp: apt-cache search perl xml parser |
| 00:56.49 | n3kl | kgoetz: I would say that this alone could be a reason for distros to work together in making linux better. |
| 00:56.52 | kgoetz | n3kl: i dont wonder, i know why. |
| 00:57.00 | n3kl | kgoetz: any? |
| 00:57.07 | n3kl | why? |
| 00:57.19 | kgoetz | n3kl: and your lack of understand of free software (or the open source folks) is why you dont get it |
| 00:57.25 | APhotoWizard | I have been searching Google for 45 minutes and so far nothing helps. |
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| 00:57.35 | abrotman | n3kl: firstly .. competition is actually good :) |
| 00:57.43 | n3kl | kgoetz: elaborate please |
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| 00:58.03 | snacky | competition is a discovery process |
| 00:58.05 | Saar | abrotman: dont know, it prevents loss of data, but for a home setup it seems overkill sure |
| 00:58.09 | bucky | it's cause linus is a finn and they're all socialists |
| 00:58.17 | n3kl | abrotman: in a free market capitalist sense, yes I see where you are going |
| 00:58.18 | simonrvn | bucky: heheh |
| 00:58.20 | kgoetz | n3kl: free software is a movement to create freedom for computer users. open source is the 'practical' child - it ignores freedom and goes with 'benefits of openness' |
| 00:58.22 | snacky | it allows some to screw up (not naming any names here), showing the ways not to go |
| 00:58.24 | Saar | though i do ftp my important data to off site locations |
| 00:58.33 | Saar | rsync even |
| 00:58.41 | n3kl | abrotman: but at the same time, there are distros that accell in areas where others fail miserably. |
| 00:58.46 | abrotman | Saar: i'm just saying that baarf is an interesting read .. but the entire thing is really just a numbers game .. you can use raid10 if you want .. but if the two wrong drives fail before you have a replacement .. it still goes away |
| 00:58.51 | simonrvn | kgoetz: nail. hit. head. |
| 00:58.55 | n3kl | abrotman: I just want better technology |
| 00:58.58 | abrotman | Saar: why not raid5+1 ? |
| 00:59.17 | Saar | raid5 isalso slower |
| 00:59.24 | abrotman | Saar: than what? |
| 00:59.33 | Saar | though im not an anti raid5 activist ;-) |
| 00:59.33 | abrotman | and at what? |
| 00:59.36 | kgoetz | simonrvn: :) thanks |
| 00:59.39 | Saar | raid1/10 |
| 00:59.40 | abrotman | n3kl: they should take from others |
| 00:59.56 | bucky | open source ruined my life |
| 01:00.19 | abrotman | Saar: what if i have zfs on raid10 and fat32 on raid5? |
| 01:00.22 | simonrvn | oh silly bucky =) |
| 01:00.39 | bucky | if there wasn't any open source... i'd quit using computers and i'd be out doing caveman things like getting laid |
| 01:00.41 | abrotman | bucky: remember when there was a mrs bucky .. and then you found linux! :) |
| 01:00.49 | Kevin` | abrotman fat32 on raid5? icky |
| 01:00.51 | simonrvn | hehehe |
| 01:00.54 | n3kl | kgoetz: they are way more symbiotic than that. For media sake, Open Source is a big coin term, and often overused, but you can not market Open Source software effectively, thus spawning free software |
| 01:00.59 | abrotman | Kevin`: i was making a point about scenarios |
| 01:01.00 | APhotoWizard | my son asked if greycat or bob2 is on here |
| 01:01.09 | abrotman | APhotoWizard: not anymore .. why? |
| 01:01.09 | kgoetz | n3kl: wrong |
| 01:01.16 | simonrvn | not for a while... |
| 01:01.31 | simonrvn | n3kl: what? |
| 01:01.33 | Saar | abrotman: bad idea? ;-) |
| 01:01.44 | abrotman | APhotoWizard: greycat can still be found on freenode .. bob2 is mostly mia |
| 01:01.51 | Kevin` | n3kl "open source" is far more popular with businesses then "Free" |
| 01:02.04 | n3kl | Kevin`: which is exactly what I said |
| 01:02.11 | simonrvn | uh |
| 01:02.17 | APhotoWizard | I am still a photo wizard. I am just typing for my son as he has no connection. |
| 01:02.24 | Kevin` | I thought that's the opposite of what you said |
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| 01:03.07 | n3kl | Kevin`: what I am saying is that the term "open source" is far more effective for free software representation |
| 01:03.24 | bucky | APhotoWizard, according to NickServ greycat was on 3 hours ago somewhere |
| 01:03.34 | abrotman | #bash most likely |
| 01:03.44 | n3kl | kgoetz: not at all |
| 01:03.45 | abrotman | APhotoWizard: do you need help with debian? |
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| 01:03.52 | bucky | bob2 is marked private... so no telling |
| 01:04.18 | n3kl | kgoetz: I am not here to pick fights or anything. I have used linux for years, like a lot of people in here |
| 01:04.22 | abrotman | bucky: not likely |
| 01:04.37 | bucky | bob2 still around? |
| 01:04.52 | abrotman | i heard he went totally MIA from online stuff |
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| 01:04.54 | abrotman | who knows |
| 01:05.02 | abrotman | he's also still on freenode |
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| 01:05.20 | APhotoWizard | Yes I need to know how to get the mouse to work. |
| 01:05.27 | gravity | He's still alive from what I heard. |
| 01:05.31 | abrotman | in etch? PS2 or USB? |
| 01:05.31 | gravity | Someone saw him in person |
| 01:05.37 | abrotman | bob2? or mwilson ? |
| 01:05.37 | bucky | he's too mean to die |
| 01:05.40 | gravity | bob2 |
| 01:05.46 | abrotman | yeah .. cafeugo had |
| 01:05.47 | n3kl | kgoetz: where is it that my understanding of open source and free software is lacking? |
| 01:05.51 | soulrider | I beliueve I found an error in the wiki. http://wiki.debian.org/DebianRelease states Sarge is the currest stable release, Isnt the currest stable release Etch? Im not registered to edit the wiki, could someone edit it and correct the mistake ? |
| 01:05.53 | abrotman | or caphuso .. one of them |
| 01:06.03 | elmo40 | wow, i just get in here and someone is already trying to defend themselves... crazy. It never ends! |
| 01:06.16 | bucky | n3kl, nowhere.. if you don't like it don't use it |
| 01:06.25 | abrotman | elmo40: we are not! |
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| 01:06.36 | elmo40 | but you are! |
| 01:06.36 | kgoetz | n3kl: i would, but i'm at work. i'm trying to IRC less, not more .... |
| 01:06.46 | n3kl | bucky: I think you missed the point. I do like it, and I do use it |
| 01:06.54 | bucky | good |
| 01:07.11 | bucky | it's all about eating your own dog food |
| 01:07.17 | kgoetz | n3kl: in short though, its your understanding of the free software movement (and probably open source movement as well) |
| 01:07.21 | elmo40 | but i dont like dog food. |
| 01:08.00 | n3kl | kgoetz: perhaps you have an article I can read about or something? I seem to think my understanding of both is quite par. |
| 01:08.03 | elmo40 | abrotman: just making a funny... thought you were too ;) |
| 01:08.36 | APhotoWizard | The current problem is there is no light on the mouse. We have tested the mouse on another machine and it works. |
| 01:08.43 | bucky | APhotoWizard, did you do something like re compile your kernel or something |
| 01:09.10 | bucky | no light? oh.. that's not good |
| 01:09.25 | bucky | could be mother board |
| 01:09.28 | APhotoWizard | No, this is a new install of 4.0r1 on a K7 hardware. |
| 01:09.33 | bucky | try another mouse on the mother board |
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| 01:10.02 | soulrider | Im planning on maybe installing debian. I wanted to know how updated the software in the repositories it? I used to use ubuntu a while ago and it was rather outdated sometimes. How is it on debian ? |
| 01:10.03 | bucky | get a ps/2 mouse and try it |
| 01:10.03 | abrotman | or another port |
| 01:10.08 | abrotman | or load the usbmouse driver |
| 01:10.08 | APhotoWizard | He does not have another mouse at this time. |
| 01:10.15 | elmo40 | APhotoWizard: was it working on that machine before? |
| 01:10.25 | abrotman | APhotoWizard: give him yours? :) |
| 01:10.47 | elmo40 | i have a machine that has a picky USB port. Have to put in the mouse on every boot. |
| 01:11.10 | APhotoWizard | Give him mine?? :-) he is more than an arms length away. :-) |
| 01:11.51 | APhotoWizard | How does he load the USB mouse driver? usbhid? |
| 01:12.59 | MonkeeOfEvil | n3kl: just spent the last few minutes reading the convo y'all were having... |
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| 01:13.13 | MonkeeOfEvil | ni3kl: not entirely sure what the point you were argueing is though |
| 01:13.41 | n3kl | MonkeeOfEvil: nothing really, and perhaps I have not been clear. |
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| 01:14.51 | mikefoo | If I have a raid card and a raid driver that is a .img, would would I do, just put .img on a floppy? |
| 01:14.52 | n3kl | MonkeeOfEvil: There is a tremendous effort that goes into all of the distros, and it would seem to me that this same amount of effort could be applied much more effectively if it was pooled to work on a single, or fewer distros. |
| 01:15.04 | bucky | APhotoWizard, sudo modprobe usbmouse |
| 01:15.30 | n3kl | soulrider: there is plenty of good documentation on the subject out there. |
| 01:15.46 | bucky | n3kl, it will be when Hurd finds a kernel |
| 01:16.18 | MonkeeOfEvil | n3kl: While your right, if there were more programmers working on a single unified distribution then yeah..things would be propelled at a much faster pace |
| 01:16.53 | kgoetz | bucky: hurd is a kernel |
| 01:16.54 | APhotoWizard | bucky: Command completed OK. Mouse still has no light even after an unplug, replug. |
| 01:16.55 | kgoetz | n3kl: have you read the cathederal and the bazaar, the book by ESR? |
| 01:17.02 | MonkeeOfEvil | n3kl: but as a programmer i know that trying to agree on a design for a system between 4 or 5 programmers is tricky enough |
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| 01:17.16 | MonkeeOfEvil | n3kl: now imagine having 400 programmers |
| 01:17.35 | MonkeeOfEvil | and every single one of them has their own idea as to how to implement it |
| 01:17.55 | bucky | APhotoWizard, you pluging it into a usb port on the front? |
| 01:17.59 | bucky | or on the back |
| 01:18.10 | soulrider | n3kl, mind pointing me to some sources ? |
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| 01:18.27 | MonkeeOfEvil | nothing would ever get done unless someone was there to say "no kill that feature" etc, but then we would be lacking the cool new features that joe schmo was going to put in |
| 01:18.31 | APhotoWizard | bucky: He says there are only two ports and they are on the back |
| 01:18.42 | abrotman | APhotoWizard: is usbutils installed ? |
| 01:19.09 | n3kl | soulrider: you might start with a google search of "why debian" |
| 01:19.10 | APhotoWizard | abrotman: usbutils is installed |
| 01:19.13 | azeem | how do I tell gnumeric to always use cell 'K13' in an expression, for autocompletion of the column? Usually it would use K14 for next cell and so on |
| 01:19.14 | MonkeeOfEvil | n3kl: so joe schmo goes and says fuck it im gonna go write my own stuff and eventually it becomes mature and a few distros pick it up and next thing you know it's considered a standard |
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| 01:19.35 | MonkeeOfEvil | thats why Linux is the way it is... |
| 01:19.40 | MonkeeOfEvil | in my opinion anyway |
| 01:19.57 | APhotoWizard | abrotman: but hotplug is not installed because it tries to remove the kernel |
| 01:19.58 | abrotman | azeem: i think if you copy down one cell .. and then grab both and try to fill down .. it'll keep it.. maybe? |
| 01:20.05 | abrotman | APhotoWizard: on etch? |
| 01:20.17 | azeem | let's try that |
| 01:20.23 | abrotman | azeem: erm .. correct the second cell .. obviously |
| 01:20.25 | MonkeeOfEvil | N3kl: It's also the reason why we have Red Hat based distributions & Debian Based distros |
| 01:20.33 | MonkeeOfEvil | wooooo split |
| 01:20.38 | elmo40 | MonkeeOfEvil: just like beryl/compiz... they were one, they split, now they are one again... when will Linux become 'one' again? (you know what i mean... not one distro, but unified in how they do things) |
| 01:21.06 | azeem | abrotman: nope, it just bumps every two cells +2 |
| 01:21.06 | APhotoWizard | abrotman: he says I don't know 4.0 r1 is that etch |
| 01:21.07 | kgoetz | elmo40: it was never unified. |
| 01:21.15 | n3kl | MonkeeOfEvil: perhaps you are right, that there is a plateau of productivity when it comes to mass software development. |
| 01:21.15 | abrotman | azeem: that's worthless :) |
| 01:21.20 | kgoetz | well. "Linux" has always been. *the tools arond it* never were |
| 01:21.22 | azeem | yeah |
| 01:21.23 | abrotman | APhotoWizard: uname -a |
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| 01:21.41 | bucky | n3kl, you know why we have mandriva? |
| 01:21.42 | MonkeeOfEvil | kgoetz: I'm sorry, I forget... GNU/Linux ;) |
| 01:21.45 | azeem | I want to devide every cell in that column with what is in cell K31 |
| 01:21.59 | azeem | there was some special char in there I thought, like =A2/#K31# |
| 01:22.04 | bucky | n3kl, the fork from redhat over kde ? |
| 01:22.07 | kgoetz | MonkeeOfEvil: ;) i just got my FSF membership stuff today, so i'm extra anal :) |
| 01:22.10 | azeem | but whatever I try yields an error |
| 01:22.16 | n3kl | MonkeeOfEvil: and I still think that competition is a good thing, but adopting linux is difficult for poeple to do becuase there are so many choices, and some are good at this, and some are good at that, so choosing a distro is a difficult thing |
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| 01:22.31 | MonkeeOfEvil | This is true |
| 01:22.35 | MonkeeOfEvil | which is why I use ubuntu ;) |
| 01:22.43 | kgoetz | hehe |
| 01:23.03 | MonkeeOfEvil | kgoetz: w00t4 teh FSF |
| 01:23.05 | elmo40 | what i find to be the main reason why Linux (being over 10 years old now) has not really hit it off is due in part to all the oddities and differences between distros. There is no Standard. Linux can NEVER become ISO Certified. |
| 01:23.05 | soulrider | n3kl, is it as easy to automatically compile a package from source as in Gentoo or Archlinu'x AUR? |
| 01:23.11 | kgoetz | MonkeeOfEvil: :) |
| 01:23.14 | APhotoWizard | abrotman: uname -a results: linux jerrysegersjr.com 2.6.18-5-k7 #1 smp <today date> i686 gnu linux |
| 01:23.15 | elmo40 | Debian made the leap, now others need to join! |
| 01:23.20 | abrotman | azeem: i think there's a thing for an absolute reference |
| 01:23.25 | abrotman | APhotoWizard: what if you try to install udev ? |
| 01:23.26 | kgoetz | elmo40: LSB. HFS |
| 01:23.36 | kgoetz | every other bloody iso standard thats implimentd |
| 01:23.37 | snacky | ISO certification is about 92% pointless anyway |
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| 01:23.49 | elmo40 | snacky: how so? |
| 01:23.56 | kgoetz | and you dont ISO cert. software distros anyway |
| 01:24.01 | APhotoWizard | abrotman: udev newest version already installed |
| 01:24.06 | lontra | what do i need to play .mov in totem? |
| 01:24.09 | MonkeeOfEvil | Yeah, but PHB's love hearing acronyms with a dash and a few numbers followed by the word "certified" |
| 01:24.10 | kgoetz | POSIX cert is equally useless |
| 01:24.10 | abrotman | APhotoWizard: ok |
| 01:24.25 | MonkeeOfEvil | It makes them feel better. |
| 01:24.26 | abrotman | lontra: w32codecs |
| 01:24.30 | n3kl | MonkeeOfEvil: but, would you use ubuntu in an enterprise environment? |
| 01:24.35 | azeem | abrotman: ah, that was the right search term |
| 01:24.36 | MonkeeOfEvil | n3kl: yes. |
| 01:24.42 | abrotman | azeem: got it now? |
| 01:24.49 | lontra | abrotman: hrm ... i have it installed |
| 01:24.51 | azeem | http://www.fifi.org/doc/gnumeric-doc/html/C/cell-referencing.html#AEN1523 |
| 01:24.55 | azeem | it's $K$31 |
| 01:24.58 | azeem | not $K31$ |
| 01:25.02 | abrotman | eep |
| 01:25.04 | Maulkin | ... MonkeeOfEvil: Really? |
| 01:25.08 | n3kl | soulrider: if you are comming from ubuntu, I would guess that you would rarely need to compile packages from source, but yes, it is easy |
| 01:25.19 | lontra | it says 'Video codec 'H263' is not handled.' |
| 01:25.30 | n3kl | MonkeeOfEvil: I would disagree with that |
| 01:25.33 | Maulkin | And what do you class as enterprise? :) |
| 01:25.34 | abrotman | azeem: i think the excel method is the same |
| 01:26.12 | abrotman | but i guess you still needed the term :) |
| 01:26.17 | kgoetz | n3kl: *I* use ubuntu in a number of locations, including where i work now, and a community centre. (debian gets less use, because i dont always get the final call) |
| 01:26.47 | azeem | abrotman: yeah, never used much excel either |
| 01:26.57 | abrotman | me neither .. but i knew the term! :) |
| 01:27.11 | soulrider | n3kl, im not comming form ubuntu. Ive run it before but at the moment iim using gentoo and arch. Im slightly annoyed by how gentoo sometimes decides to break and rather disgusted by how the arch community can sometimes be. |
| 01:27.23 | n3kl | kgoetz: thats great, I would definately not |
| 01:27.42 | soulrider | n3kl, i thought about running debian, but one of my main concerns was updates and release cycles |
| 01:27.43 | kgoetz | n3kl: thats your call. just dont expect no one else to do that |
| 01:27.45 | MonkeeOfEvil | Maulkin: I don't know what to classify "enterprise" as, seeing as how i think "Enterprise" is (if only slightly ) a marketing term used to jack the price of proprietary software up |
| 01:28.05 | n3kl | soulrider: debian is extremely stable |
| 01:28.11 | elmo40 | kgoetz: no one can make ONE version of their software and be portable on ALL distros. That is my angle here. Some distros store libs in directory 'A' whiles others in directory 'B'... audio is still messed for some, works on others. How do you improve all of this? |
| 01:28.29 | n3kl | kgoetz: I wasn't, its merely an oppinion. |
| 01:28.30 | kgoetz | elmo40: anythin LSB complint will run on LSB commplient distros |
| 01:28.42 | MonkeeOfEvil | kgoetz: here here! |
| 01:28.43 | MonkeeOfEvil | ') |
| 01:28.45 | MonkeeOfEvil | ;) |
| 01:28.56 | kgoetz | MonkeeOfEvil: :) |
| 01:29.04 | soulrider | n3kl, but is the software int he repositories updated or is it outdated to keep stability ? |
| 01:29.04 | elmo40 | kgoetz: that is my point. Why do we have so many NON compliant distros? What makes them so 'special' that they can not follow LSB standards? |
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| 01:29.34 | kgoetz | elmo40: small number of developers time would bea good start guess. |
| 01:29.36 | bucky | apt-get install lsb |
| 01:29.36 | n3kl | soulrider: to do what. I still use apache 1.3 in places |
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| 01:29.51 | Maulkin | MonkeeOfEvil: say, 150 workstations, 50 servers. |
| 01:30.09 | spq | i have a local debian repository, with a Packages file - and some *.deb files, now i want to sign this repository to be able to install without the anoying information that some files couldnt be verified |
| 01:30.31 | kgoetz | spq: look at the apt-tools package (should be by default) |
| 01:30.36 | elmo40 | !verified |
| 01:30.42 | n3kl | Maulkin: what are you getting at? |
| 01:30.42 | MonkeeOfEvil | Maulkin: It depends on the tasks those servers and work stations need to perform. I don't see why deploying that kind of network would be any less difficult using Windows Server or Mac OS X Server |
| 01:31.03 | MonkeeOfEvil | Maulkin: imo, it's a matter of package selection |
| 01:31.04 | spq | kgoetz, hmm look for what? |
| 01:31.18 | elmo40 | !debsigs |
| 01:31.18 | dpkg | In order to verify debian packages, apt-get install debsig-verify debsigs debian-keyring. Read http://cert.uni-stuttgart.de/archive/debian/security/2002/09/msg00018.html, http://lists.debian.org/debian-security/2002/debian-security-200207/msg00130.html, and http://gopher.quux.org:70/devel/debian/debsigs.txt |
| 01:31.29 | elmo40 | spq: here |
| 01:31.31 | kgoetz | !apt-utils |
| 01:31.32 | APhotoWizard | Is there a way to force apt-get to leave items it wants to remove. |
| 01:31.34 | Maulkin | It's when you're admining it, you really don't want (and often can't due to change control proceedures) update the OS every 6 months to a new release. |
| 01:31.37 | MonkeeOfEvil | Maulkin: Besides, Linux is not *always* the right tool for the task. Sometimes it is better to have a Windows network running paralel with a *nix network |
| 01:31.52 | elmo40 | APhotoWizard: ignore... somehow. :P |
| 01:32.03 | Maulkin | 01:24 < n3kl> MonkeeOfEvil: but, would you use ubuntu in an enterprise environment? |
| 01:32.08 | spq | elmo40, i want to sign the repository not the deb files |
| 01:32.19 | bucky | APhotoWizard, so when you want to install hotplug it wants to remove your kernel? |
| 01:32.26 | kgoetz | Maulkin: hence LTS release |
| 01:32.29 | n3kl | Maulkin: Aye |
| 01:32.51 | APhotoWizard | bucky: That is correct, along with other things like gnome |
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| 01:33.07 | n3kl | MonkeeOfEvil: This is what I am talking about with distro-wars |
| 01:33.13 | Gm4n | although a fair number would go with redhat/centos, I'd go with debian :) |
| 01:33.14 | bucky | APhotoWizard, does is complain if you try to install udev it should have it already |
| 01:33.16 | Maulkin | And then there's the second point of QA and the amount items are tested before release. |
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| 01:33.39 | Maulkin | Personally, I woudn't use Ubuntu in a work environment. If people want it at home, then fine by me :) |
| 01:33.55 | APhotoWizard | bucky: It did not complain and udev is now installed |
| 01:33.57 | spq | elmo40, is this possible?? |
| 01:34.21 | soulrider | n3kl, is the testing release stable enough to be used ona desktop computer? and, what are the difference sin package sin the repositores between stable and testing? |
| 01:34.23 | bucky | APhotoWizard, how about usbutils |
| 01:34.35 | abrotman | soulrider: depends how stable you want it |
| 01:34.52 | APhotoWizard | bucky: usbutils installed ok |
| 01:34.59 | MonkeeOfEvil | Maulkin: Your right about the release cycle being a PITA, but it's no difference than running monthly windows security updates. And as kgoetz said, LTS releases also partially address the issue |
| 01:35.10 | n3kl | soulrider: yes, but notice the release name, testing. Just run it and find out. |
| 01:35.46 | kgoetz | afk. lunch |
| 01:35.54 | bucky | APhotoWizard, what does sudo lsusb say.. anything? |
| 01:35.58 | spq | i have a local debian repository, with a Packages file - and some *.deb files, now i want to sign this repository to be able to install without the anoying information that some files couldnt be verified |
| 01:36.10 | n3kl | kgoetz: I have the book in the mail now, thanks for the tip. |
| 01:36.44 | bucky | APhotoWizard, what does sudo lsusb -v if you want a lot of info |
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| 01:36.55 | APhotoWizard | bucky: bus 002 device 001: id 0000:0000 and bus 1 with the same information |
| 01:37.18 | APhotoWizard | bucky: one moment |
| 01:37.27 | abrotman | APhotoWizard: wait .. what device did you tell X to use? |
| 01:37.56 | bucky | APhotoWizard, don't paste it just look for your mouse |
| 01:38.25 | MonkeeOfEvil | n3kl: The idea here is this.. would you use x Distro in an enterprise environment. What is an enterprise environment? What type of users do you have? What is it you need to get done? What key things do you HAVE TO HAVE. All of this must be taken into consideration when your choosing your OS(s). Some distributions are geared specifically for one particular purpose, and they do it well |
| 01:38.27 | APhotoWizard | abrotman: /dev/input/mice but the mouse is optical and it does not light up so I don't think he is getting that far. |
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| 01:38.56 | MonkeeOfEvil | For instance, if I were to take slackware and want to use it as a Media Center I would probably have to go through hell and back |
| 01:39.16 | MonkeeOfEvil | ( no references or citation for above comment, take with at face value ) |
| 01:39.27 | abrotman | APhotoWizard: and usbhid module is loaded ? |
| 01:39.30 | gravity | If the mouse doesn't light up then it's a kernel thing, not X |
| 01:39.34 | n3kl | MonkeeOfEvil: agreed and understood. I guess I am thinking more towards what future computers will be like. If teh PC is doomed to not exist in 20 years, then shouldn't we start pushing in that direction. |
| 01:39.44 | abrotman | APhotoWizard: and mousedev ? |
| 01:39.47 | bucky | abrotman, he modprobe usbmouse |
| 01:39.54 | APhotoWizard | bucky: there is a LOT of information :-) but nothing seems out of order. |
| 01:39.57 | abrotman | i'm just asking damn it! |
| 01:39.58 | TrueDD | Good night all |
| 01:40.14 | bucky | ok Bones |
| 01:40.18 | bucky | abrotman, what does update-usbids do? |
| 01:40.39 | abrotman | gets USB ids from sf.net |
| 01:40.45 | MonkeeOfEvil | n3kl: Well it's been fun.. I'll be back tomorrowish..but i have to finish doing QA on a survey so I can go home |
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| 01:40.56 | n3kl | MonkeeOfEvil: One of the things I find amazing about *nix, is that it can be your cell phone, your pda, your laptop, your server, your router, you cluster, home automation and everything in between |
| 01:41.08 | abrotman | bucky: you can run it whenever as long as you have internet .. won't hurt anything .. same with update-pciids |
| 01:41.09 | bucky | abrotman, he didn't even have udev installed until a minute ago |
| 01:41.10 | APhotoWizard | abrotman: usbhid is loaded |
| 01:41.11 | n3kl | MonkeeOfEvil: seeya |
| 01:41.36 | MonkeeOfEvil | n3kl: ALL HAIL TEH INFALLABLE GLORY OF MICROSOFT ;) |
| 01:41.40 | abrotman | bucky: and has he restarted since then? |
| 01:41.43 | MonkeeOfEvil | jk! |
| 01:41.51 | bucky | doubt it |
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| 01:42.05 | abrotman | APhotoWizard: have you restarted the system since udev got installed ? |
| 01:42.15 | APhotoWizard | bucky: modprobe usbmouse is ok |
| 01:42.18 | elmo40 | spq: sure it is... but i do not have that answer. |
| 01:42.40 | bucky | he's got his drivers loaded |
| 01:42.48 | APhotoWizard | abrotman: He does not know so he is restarting now. |
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| 01:43.04 | abrotman | he doesn't know? |
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| 01:43.16 | bucky | /etc/init.d/udev restart |
| 01:43.29 | bucky | i don't know "damit" |
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| 01:43.43 | APhotoWizard | abrotman: this has been a long process |
| 01:44.01 | abrotman | bucky: i don't pretend to understand udev :) |
| 01:44.17 | bucky | i never had a usb mouse |
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| 01:44.44 | bucky | if it don't light up.. that doesn't depend on the driver does it? |
| 01:44.57 | n3kl | bucky: it can |
| 01:45.11 | bucky | hmm... it's like usb is turned off in the bios |
| 01:45.30 | abrotman | bucky: yes .. it does |
| 01:45.45 | n3kl | bucky: might try dmesg | grep usb |
| 01:45.53 | APhotoWizard | bucky: That is a great idea - he is checking that possibility now. |
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| 01:46.05 | n3kl | debian kernels are really good at autoloading modules |
| 01:46.54 | abrotman | yeah .. if you have udev installed or wahtever magic progra does it |
| 01:46.59 | APhotoWizard | abrotman: by the way it is a MicroSoft intellimouse :-) (Don't ask me, I did not buy it ) |
| 01:47.14 | abrotman | APhotoWizard: i use one at work with etch ... |
| 01:47.58 | bucky | APhotoWizard, so did you look in the bios? reboot and come back |
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| 01:48.58 | APhotoWizard | bucky: Grr.. the bios was on and he rebooted, there is still no light more... |
| 01:49.36 | bucky | dmesg |grep usb |
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| 01:50.19 | APhotoWizard | bucky: dmsg|grep usb -- usb core registered usbfs and hub and the hubs both show configuration 1 |
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| 01:50.47 | elmo40 | is there one network setting i can alter to have all apps use a proxy? or do i have to set them up individualy? |
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| 01:50.58 | bucky | APhotoWizard, lsmod |grep usbmouse |
| 01:51.15 | zeeeeee | how does apt know which dependencies to 'garbage collect' (when uninstalling an app)? does apt maintain a list of the packages that i've explicitly installed, so that it doesn't garbage-collect those? if so, how can i see this list? |
| 01:51.33 | APhotoWizard | bucky: it is not installed |
| 01:51.54 | APhotoWizard | bucky: should he mod probe it |
| 01:52.01 | bucky | yes |
| 01:53.25 | APhotoWizard | bucky: lsmod now says usbmouse 58240 - plug and un plug still not light |
| 01:53.51 | bucky | i don't know *shrug* |
| 01:54.46 | APhotoWizard | bucky: oops that should have read 5824 0 - One more item has come to light, a thumb drive does not mount either |
| 01:54.58 | abrotman | APhotoWizard: and usbhid is loaded ? |
| 01:55.04 | abrotman | APhotoWizard: and mousedev ? |
| 01:55.59 | APhotoWizard | abrotman: usbhid is loaded mousedev not found |
| 01:56.11 | abrotman | modprobe mousedev .. replug mouse |
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| 01:57.03 | APhotoWizard | abrotman: modprobe results: FATAL: module mousedev not found. |
| 01:57.09 | abrotman | oh well |
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| 01:57.52 | abrotman | APhotoWizard: lsmod | grep usb .. anything ? |
| 01:58.42 | APhotoWizard | abrotman: mousedev was installed in the kernel - according to the config file. |
| 01:59.11 | abrotman | APhotoWizard: okay |
| 01:59.17 | APhotoWizard | abrotman: core mouse hid references ohci_hcd |
| 01:59.30 | abrotman | so usbcore is loaded ? |
| 01:59.40 | abrotman | and lsusb sees the mouse ? |
| 01:59.45 | abrotman | lsusb -v i guess would be needed |
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| 02:00.31 | abrotman | where did his old mouse go? |
| 02:00.41 | abrotman | and did he run update-usbids ? |
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| 02:00.58 | bucky | he didn't run update-usbids |
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| 02:01.09 | abrotman | why not? |
| 02:01.14 | APhotoWizard | abrotman: usbcore is loaded the only things that show up in lsusb -v is two usb 2 hubs |
| 02:01.42 | abrotman | so even the USB bus doesn't see it ? |
| 02:01.58 | abrotman | that's just not right |
| 02:02.12 | APhotoWizard | abrotman: he left the ps2 mouse here and he is downtown. |
| 02:02.34 | abrotman | you mean that little brat didn't even stick around to fix it? .. damn kids these days |
| 02:02.36 | abrotman | :) |
| 02:03.02 | bucky | dad knows what he's doing |
| 02:03.21 | APhotoWizard | abrotman: he can't update-usbids because he has no internet |
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| 02:03.40 | bucky | APhotoWizard, you got a nic in that thing? |
| 02:03.52 | APhotoWizard | bucky: yes |
| 02:03.58 | bucky | is it hooked up to the dsl router? |
| 02:04.12 | bucky | ifconfig and see if eth0 shows up |
| 02:04.40 | APhotoWizard | bucky: There is no connection to the house where he is. (yes we know it is a bummer) |
| 02:04.57 | bucky | that about kills it in debian |
| 02:05.18 | abrotman | APhotoWizard: but isn't the computer at your house? |
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| 02:05.41 | bucky | this has been phone support |
| 02:05.47 | abrotman | eegads |
| 02:05.51 | bucky | by way of irc |
| 02:06.21 | APhotoWizard | abrotman: Unfortunately, I am talking to him on the phone and he is about 50 miles away with no connection to anything but power and ca voice line. |
| 02:06.48 | abrotman | he's tried both USB ports? |
| 02:06.52 | abrotman | or rather .. all of them? |
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| 02:07.06 | abrotman | and it might take a moment so he might have to leave it in there |
| 02:07.59 | bucky | ps aux |grep udev should show udevd --daemon |
| 02:08.11 | APhotoWizard | abrotman: he has tried both and left the mouse in each for at least a minute. |
| 02:08.42 | abrotman | does he have any other USB devices to try? |
| 02:09.29 | APhotoWizard | you might also like to know that this is the first time I have ever used irc. I did not have a client until tonight. |
| 02:09.47 | abrotman | APhotoWizard: your kid must be proud :) |
| 02:09.58 | bucky | haha... well we have enjoyed you |
| 02:10.15 | bucky | sorry about the mouse problems |
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| 02:11.03 | APhotoWizard | abrotman: he has a thumb drive and it does not work. |
| 02:11.28 | abrotman | APhotoWizard: so neither work ... perhaps ohci is wrong .. and it's actually uhci or ehci |
| 02:12.01 | n3kl | abrotman: are you a dev? |
| 02:12.15 | abrotman | /dev/abrotman! |
| 02:12.23 | APhotoWizard | abrotman: He says that is a good point how does he fix it? |
| 02:12.56 | abrotman | he can try to remove the ohci driver .. and then put in the uhci or ehci .. and the put all the other drivers back in |
| 02:13.06 | APhotoWizard | I also had him check to see that the wire to the external port is connected. He reports the connection is soldered to the board directly. |
| 02:14.15 | abrotman | he'd have to modprobe -r all modules usb related |
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| 02:15.26 | APhotoWizard | abrotman: he is working |
| 02:15.28 | abrotman | APhotoWizard: how old is the computer ? |
| 02:15.38 | abrotman | APhotoWizard: i hope you're getting this phone call for free :) |
| 02:16.56 | abrotman | EEEP .. they're making a Terminator series |
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| 02:17.57 | k2t0f12d | I never saw that coming, what with the cliffhanger end of T3 |
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| 02:18.01 | APhotoWizard | abrotman: Wallmart is looking very attractive, the phone call is free (I love the Atlanta calling area) and I am not a linux person. I have been a Mac biggot since the early 80's. |
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| 02:18.06 | abrotman | k2t0f12d: it's earlier i think |
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| 02:18.19 | abrotman | APhotoWizard: send him your LCII! |
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| 02:18.29 | abrotman | now with OS6! |
| 02:18.43 | abrotman | APhotoWizard: how old is his computer? |
| 02:19.28 | k2t0f12d | Ill be damned, the series is going to ignore the events in T3 entirely. |
| 02:19.59 | k2t0f12d | T3 will become Terminator's Highlander 2 LOL |
| 02:20.09 | abrotman | heh |
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| 02:20.42 | APhotoWizard | abrotman: he is rolling on the floor laughing - The computer is only about 3 years old. It is a AMD 1200. It has previously been running free DOS as a mame macnine inside a mortal kombat II machine. |
| 02:20.50 | abrotman | 1200 ? |
| 02:20.55 | abrotman | 2200 i hope |
| 02:21.16 | k2t0f12d | I have a MP 2000 in the closet |
| 02:21.25 | abrotman | hehe |
| 02:22.14 | APhotoWizard | abrotman: He says nope - 1200.. Anyway he says thanks for the help. I send him to Wallmart. |
| 02:22.25 | abrotman | 1200 is not likely ohci |
| 02:22.34 | abrotman | APhotoWizard: it's too bad he can't get online :) |
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| 02:22.49 | n_np | abrotman ;p |
| 02:22.50 | abrotman | APhotoWizard: he could compare lspci and lspci -n .. and give us the PCI ID .. and check a database |
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| 02:23.24 | abrotman | oh .. lspci -nn would be easier :) |
| 02:23.44 | troubled | abrotman: heya |
| 02:23.48 | abrotman | troubled: hi |
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| 02:25.25 | APhotoWizard | abrotman: Lets just say my patience ran out. Hopefully he will find that a new compute is cheaper that the new mouse :-) Anyway. I have to go, but I appreciate all the help. If I can help you you can find me at APhotoWizard.com - Good night. |
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| 02:25.42 | abrotman | APhotoWizard: hopefully ytou come back to play on irc :) |
| 02:26.18 | bucky | if its a K7S5A motherboard and the usb headers were hooked up wrong to the front of the case it can damage the usb bus |
| 02:26.39 | bucky | i've got one of those but haven't hurt it |
| 02:26.42 | abrotman | i'm not sure a 1200+ mobo would have ohci |
| 02:26.52 | bucky | prolly not |
| 02:27.45 | abrotman | i'm pretty sure ohci is fairly new |
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| 02:27.55 | Dave2 | FSVO fairly? |
| 02:28.29 | abrotman | well .. newer than 1200+ cpus :) |
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| 02:30.40 | KI4IKL|Laptop | I put the debian net install cd into my old machine and when I got it going, after I hit enter to boot the installer it said <0>Kernel panic and something about not syncing. |
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| 02:32.38 | KI4IKL|Laptop | Does anyone know what boot params I can use to get around this? |
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| 02:34.10 | abrotman | how old is old ? |
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| 02:35.53 | KI4IKL|Laptop | abrotman: a gateway P3 machine |
| 02:35.59 | KI4IKL|Laptop | for win 98 |
| 02:37.05 | abrotman | acpi=off maybe |
| 02:37.42 | KI4IKL|Laptop | what just "acpi=off" there and hit enter? |
| 02:37.50 | abrotman | linux26 acpi=off |
| 02:37.58 | KI4IKL|Laptop | kk i'll try that, thanks. |
| 02:38.01 | KI4IKL|Laptop | be back in jsut a sec |
| 02:38.47 | abrotman | where'd he go? |
| 02:38.48 | KI4IKL|Laptop | "cannot find kernel image :linux26" |
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| 02:39.02 | abrotman | just try 'linux' |
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| 02:39.22 | KI4IKL|Laptop | kk, it's still saying kernel panic. |
| 02:39.57 | abrotman | is it dual CPU ? |
| 02:40.19 | KI4IKL|Laptop | No, just a normal P3. |
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| 02:40.51 | kgoetz | theres no linux26 anymore |
| 02:41.47 | abrotman | kgoetz: yeah .. brainfart :) |
| 02:41.51 | kgoetz | gateway were horrible machines :s |
| 02:41.53 | abrotman | acpi=off noapic |
| 02:42.00 | kgoetz | abrotman: :) |
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| 02:42.16 | abrotman | kgoetz: i haven't had to use a single option to the installer yet .. hit enter and go .. yay me! |
| 02:42.55 | abrotman | KI4IKL|Laptop: does it actually boot at all? or just start uncompressing the kernel and barf? |
| 02:43.10 | Caelum | I think xscreensaver is crashing my fglrx :( |
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| 02:43.30 | abrotman | Caelum: so stop using the GL ones |
| 02:43.31 | KI4IKL|Laptop | I hit enter... uncompresses kernel I think, then the line before the kernel panic is : |
| 02:43.45 | kgoetz | abrotman: wish i could say the same *grin* |
| 02:43.49 | Caelum | abrotman: I have dri turned off too |
| 02:43.50 | stew | VFS: can't mount root |
| 02:43.58 | abrotman | good guess! |
| 02:44.12 | abrotman | :) |
| 02:44.28 | abrotman | stew: but he's in the installer |
| 02:44.44 | stew | oh |
| 02:44.45 | KI4IKL|Laptop | EIP: [<c0168025>] inotify_inode_que_event+0x9f/0xc6 SS:ESP 0068:c111f934 <br> <0>Knerlen panic - not syncing: Attempted to kill init! |
| 02:44.55 | abrotman | that's a lovely one |
| 02:45.10 | kgoetz | ah, they dont write crashes like that anymore ;) |
| 02:45.17 | kgoetz | </old person> |
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| 02:45.46 | abrotman | !qotd158 |
| 02:45.46 | dpkg | from memory, qotd158 is <paulswm> They don't make 2.25 ton mass storage drives any more :( |
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| 02:46.09 | kgoetz | lol |
| 02:46.26 | zeeeeee | how does apt know which dependencies to 'garbage collect' (when uninstalling an app)? does apt maintain a list of the packages that i've explicitly installed, so that it doesn't garbage-collect those? if so, how can i see this list? |
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| 02:47.06 | abrotman | apt-cache rdepends kde |
| 02:47.39 | stew | zeeeeee: /var/lib/apt/extended_states |
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| 02:50.09 | zeeeeee | stew, so that's the list of auto-installed pkgs? |
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| 02:50.30 | nocti | hello |
| 02:50.43 | jayporter | Hello |
| 02:50.53 | stew | zeeeeee: yes |
| 02:50.59 | jayporter | 'Dont take that to mean that I can assist you, I am no expert :) |
| 02:51.02 | nocti | why do i get an invalid signature error on apt-get update from security.debian.org? thanks |
| 02:51.26 | nocti | jayporter: :) |
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| 02:51.37 | zeeeeee | stew, thanks |
| 02:52.24 | Guerin | nocti: because you didn't get the most recent key |
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| 02:53.13 | nocti | Guerin: where do i get it? i already gpg --recv-keys the current security key and fed it to apt-key |
| 02:53.37 | Guerin | nocti: /topic might help |
| 02:53.43 | nocti | oh |
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| 02:54.01 | Guerin | KI4IKL|Laptop: debian kernel? |
| 02:54.10 | KI4IKL|Laptop | what do you mean Guerin |
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| 02:54.31 | Guerin | KI4IKL|Laptop: i mean `is the kernel which is panicking built and packaged by debian?' |
| 02:54.35 | abrotman | Guerin: more MIT hostmasks! |
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| 02:54.52 | KI4IKL|Laptop | Guerin: should be. It' sjust the basic debian install cd. |
| 02:54.57 | nocti | Guerin: thanks man |
| 02:54.57 | Guerin | abrotman: it's almost like they have a whole /8 ! |
| 02:55.11 | abrotman | they should get more |
| 02:55.23 | sdubois92 | abrotman: shouldnt pommed be in apt-get? |
| 02:55.25 | Guerin | KI4IKL|Laptop: which install cd, and which laptop? |
| 02:56.01 | KI4IKL|Laptop | Guerin: not a laptop, ti's a really old desktop. |
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| 02:56.20 | Guerin | first half of the question still stands |
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| 02:57.12 | KI4IKL|Laptop | Etch, Guerin |
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| 02:57.26 | Guerin | KI4IKL|Laptop: howold is the box? |
| 02:57.35 | abrotman | PIII Gateway |
| 02:57.40 | Guerin | heh |
| 02:57.49 | abrotman | it wasn't a joke :( |
| 02:57.52 | Guerin | still |
| 02:57.55 | Guerin | it should work |
| 02:57.55 | kgoetz | 9mb of ram :P? |
| 02:58.03 | abrotman | NINE .. NINE MB |
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| 02:58.17 | abrotman | how much RAM does it really ahve? |
| 02:58.21 | kgoetz | Guerin: i've only had issues with gateway |
| 02:58.25 | Guerin | is that one 8MB chip and four 256k chips, or what? |
| 02:58.36 | Guerin | kgoetz: yes, gateway are crap. But they should at least boot. |
| 02:58.38 | KI4IKL|Laptop | Guerin: it has 128 or 256 I think |
| 02:58.49 | Guerin | abrotman: yess! Now I can play Doom 2! |
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| 02:58.54 | abrotman | i like this .. i ask questions .. Guerin gets answers |
| 02:58.57 | hon | gmane is down? |
| 02:59.02 | abrotman | random |
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| 02:59.09 | Guerin | hon: htfswk? |
| 03:00.00 | Guerin | abrotman: it's because he doesn't know I'm as much of a bastard as you |
| 03:00.06 | abrotman | FECK OFF! |
| 03:00.34 | hon | Guerin: could you please de-abbreviate? I can only de-abbreviate "f" |
| 03:00.47 | abrotman | how the fuck should we know? |
| 03:01.32 | hon | abrotman: thanks, neither me nor the wikipedia knew that. |
| 03:01.42 | abrotman | hon: acronymfinder.com :) |
| 03:02.22 | abrotman | oh .. no match |
| 03:02.29 | Guerin | no abbreviation matches for htfswk # i win |
| 03:02.38 | abrotman | !htfswk |
| 03:02.38 | dpkg | How The Fuck Should We Know? |
| 03:02.42 | abrotman | yay! |
| 03:02.46 | kgoetz | :D |
| 03:02.53 | nocti | :) |
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| 03:03.39 | DawnLight | at this rate dpkg would be able face support questions on his own |
| 03:03.41 | hon | on an unrelated topic (again!), is there a service to query dpkg (the bot) on command line? |
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| 03:03.57 | Guerin | hon: they call it /msg |
| 03:03.59 | abrotman | hon: you can get all his factoids |
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| 03:04.18 | hon | Guerin: commandline != irc client |
| 03:04.22 | Guerin | :( |
| 03:04.23 | abrotman | !tell hon about your factoids |
| 03:04.35 | abrotman | Guerin: don't you use konversation too ? :) |
| 03:04.55 | Guerin | hon: you could write a one-liner which starts irssi, joins #debian, asks dpkg something, formats the output all nice-like and exist |
| 03:05.31 | hon | Guerin: that's what I would rather avoid! |
| 03:05.41 | Guerin | but where's the fun in that! |
| 03:05.57 | Guerin | talk about hell |
| 03:06.14 | nocti | Guerin: using what? batch files? |
| 03:06.34 | Guerin | it took me most of a day to figure out how to make windows name files by date, like $(date +%y%m%d) |
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| 03:06.46 | Guerin | nocti: yep. And the Task Scheduler |
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| 03:07.24 | nocti | seriously. cygwin's bash works way much better than .bat |
| 03:07.39 | Guerin | yeah, but I couldn't make cygwin run vlc properly |
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| 03:08.08 | nocti | an automated scheduled pr0n viewer. that's nice. |
| 03:08.16 | Guerin | if only it were that simple |
| 03:09.26 | Guerin | i run a media analysis shop, and the reception on one of our radio stations just died inexplicably. While we wait for the RF geeks to fix it, I had to automate dumping a live stream out to disk to figure out how to make it |
| 03:09.36 | Guerin | meh, ignore the end there |
| 03:09.47 | sdubois92 | What should i put in my pommed.conf for it to work with my audio card? right now it is set as "default |
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| 03:10.12 | Guerin | sdubois92: i presume thie pommed of which you speak has documentation? |
| 03:10.22 | sdubois92 | maybe |
| 03:10.23 | sdubois92 | hehe |
| 03:10.33 | Guerin | so you're saying you haven't checked? |
| 03:10.43 | sdubois92 | yep |
| 03:10.44 | Guerin | that's a brave thing to do in hashdweebian |
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| 03:14.45 | Soeki | how can i make the output of a command to be saved into a file? Im trying > file.txt but only saves the 1st screen |
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| 03:15.40 | Gekz | can someone tell me what flags debian packages are compiled with? |
| 03:15.49 | abrotman | look in the rules file |
| 03:15.52 | kgoetz | Soeki: what are you trying to do? |
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| 03:16.55 | Guerin | Soeki: nope, it saves the whole output unless that output is somehow mediated by curses or something. And > on its own won't catch errors and some other stuff. |
| 03:17.13 | Soeki | kgoetz im trying to compile a slamr driver and after i do make the screen floods and i cannot see where the errors start. |
| 03:17.28 | abrotman | isn't slamr for sl-modem ? |
| 03:17.39 | Guerin | oh, the pain |
| 03:17.55 | nocti | Soeki: have you tried 2> or @> instead of > |
| 03:18.04 | abrotman | Soeki: what's wrong with m-a a-i sl-modem ? |
| 03:18.12 | nocti | s/@>/&>/ |
| 03:18.33 | Soeki | yeah but i didnt have luck with sl-modem |
| 03:18.48 | abrotman | Soeki: are yoiu sure sl-modem is for your winmodem ? |
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| 03:19.11 | Soeki | yes i tested and it shows a sis 630 |
| 03:19.33 | abrotman | did you install the sl-modem-utils also ? |
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| 03:19.44 | abrotman | i've been using sl-modem for awhile .. always |
| 03:19.45 | abrotman | worked |
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| 03:20.00 | Soeki | and im sure the modem works because it used to work on windows like 3 days ago |
| 03:20.08 | abrotman | does it work on windows now? |
| 03:20.17 | abrotman | does windows work now? :) |
| 03:20.36 | Soeki | i wiped the windows to put etch |
| 03:21.09 | Soeki | its and old box so xp was too much bloat for it i supose. |
| 03:21.17 | Soeki | an* |
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| 03:22.19 | maddash | isn't there someway to dump the data flowing through port 4777 to a file? netcat doesn't do the job... |
| 03:22.22 | Soeki | abrotman hmm i think i got you wrong. whats m-a a-i ? |
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| 03:23.14 | abrotman | Soeki: do you have contrib and non-free sources? |
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| 03:23.23 | stew | maddash: tcpdump |
| 03:23.24 | Soeki | yes |
| 03:23.43 | abrotman | Soeki: aptitude install module-assistant ; m-a a-i sl-modem |
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| 03:24.25 | Soeki | let me try it. i think that was my mistake earlier |
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| 03:25.10 | abrotman | not doing that? :) |
| 03:25.30 | maddash | stew: but tcpdump slaps on additional filter info, right? |
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| 03:27.12 | stew | maddash: i don't know |
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| 03:33.18 | Tramp | maddash: e.g. wireshark should be able to do what you want - although I haven't worked with it for a long time |
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| 03:34.28 | maddash | tramp, stew: tcpflow |
| 03:34.32 | aarcane | heyy |
| 03:34.44 | maddash | now I just need to figure out its params |
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| 03:35.30 | MrTelephone | !dpkg search date calc perl module |
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| 03:36.14 | abrotman | MrTelephone: apt-cache search |
| 03:36.21 | abrotman | Soeki: any luck? |
| 03:36.36 | aarcane | I have an odd question |
| 03:37.07 | aarcane | does anyone know a good website with articles and howtos which are targeted specifically for debian ? |
| 03:37.31 | kgoetz | debian-administration.org , wiki.debian.org :) |
| 03:39.09 | abrotman | !forums |
| 03:39.09 | dpkg | somebody said forums was http://forums.debian.net/ http://www.debianhelp.org/ http://www.debianplanet.org/, or http://www.debianforums.org (basically dead) |
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| 03:40.16 | Tramp | Madd_Matt: hmm. nice one. |
| 03:40.56 | Tramp | maddash I meant. |
| 03:41.07 | Soeki | abrotman i did sudo aptitude install module-assistant ; m-a a-i sl-modem |
| 03:41.18 | abrotman | and the sun exploded? |
| 03:41.29 | DawnLight | not the sun |
| 03:41.55 | Soeki | and i got a gui screen saying "you are not root and no replacement directory (the -u option) is specified. unable to continue |
| 03:42.04 | abrotman | yes .. do the whole thing in a root shell |
| 03:42.10 | aarcane | the debian administration one isn't owrking :) |
| 03:42.11 | aarcane | :( |
| 03:42.28 | Soeki | on install time i made the system block the root acount |
| 03:42.52 | Soeki | that can be reversed? |
| 03:43.19 | abrotman | block? |
| 03:43.23 | abrotman | are you using ubuntu? |
| 03:43.33 | abrotman | did it install module-assistant? |
| 03:43.45 | abrotman | just try 'sudo m-a a-i sl-modem' |
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| 03:44.40 | troubled | abrotman: never did fully understand that m-a stuff. voodoo imho |
| 03:44.59 | abrotman | troubled: AIUI .. it's source packages prepared for use with debian |
| 03:45.00 | troubled | i assume it just compiles against the standard headers and turns it into a package? |
| 03:45.05 | Soeki | I'm not sure the term block is the right one. but i do remember a screen asking if i wanted to make the root account unable to login. I am on etch |
| 03:45.10 | bucky | on the etch installer you can <back> into the install menu and when you select Set up root user accounts it will give you the option of creating sudo and no root account... kind of an easter egg |
| 03:45.12 | troubled | thats what i figured |
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| 03:45.21 | abrotman | Soeki: so sudo m-a a-i sl-modem |
| 03:45.35 | abrotman | bucky: that should be obliterated! |
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| 03:45.50 | bucky | haha |
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| 03:46.04 | kgoetz | er... if you run the install as expert you always get the option of no root :\ |
| 03:46.23 | bucky | that should be obliterated! |
| 03:46.24 | troubled | abrotman: curious though, is the source all prepared and fetched as needed? or are they just standard source only packages since they need to be recompiled per kernel? |
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| 03:47.04 | abrotman | i think they've been altered to work with debian kernels/systems |
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| 03:47.22 | troubled | abrotman: but they are still basically just source only deb's right? |
| 03:47.35 | abrotman | it's a deb with a source package |
| 03:47.38 | abrotman | tar.gz |
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| 03:47.57 | troubled | ah, well thanks for the info, cleared a few things up |
| 03:48.22 | Soeki | abrotman its installing now. like 38mb from 6 packages... build-essential, g++ libc6dev etc.. |
| 03:48.38 | abrotman | yay! |
| 03:50.23 | abrotman | troubled: i'd imagine the HOWTO or readme has more info than i'm useful for |
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| 03:51.04 | Soeki | my english is not that good, what does obliterated means? |
| 03:51.38 | troubled | abrotman: you are my HOWTO ;) |
| 03:51.47 | abrotman | Soeki: obliterated is like 'erased forever and very well' :) |
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| 03:52.14 | Soeki | oh, good to know. |
| 03:52.14 | troubled | ill check into it more when i actually need to use it. But that understanding will help when i do finally sit down to read it |
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| 03:53.24 | Soeki | "Building sl-modem-source, step 1, please wait....." looks like it could do the trick |
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| 03:57.41 | abrotman | !qotd0 |
| 03:57.41 | dpkg | <Guerin> JVaughn: it's probably bourbon. bourbon and whisky are different like knoppix and debian. |
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| 03:59.36 | Soeki | oh cmon.... i got the same err at the end..... "slamr: disagrees about version of symbol struct_module" |
| 04:00.10 | abrotman | on etch? what kernel are you using ? |
| 04:00.15 | abrotman | uname -a |
| 04:00.46 | Soeki | 2.6.18-5-686 |
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| 04:01.22 | abrotman | well .. i've not seen that |
| 04:01.37 | abrotman | and i'm pretty sure i had sl-modem on etch at one time |
| 04:02.01 | Soeki | i've officially spent 12 hours trying to make that slamr module work or even compile |
| 04:02.36 | abrotman | yeah ... i just did the m-a a-i .. and it worked :) |
| 04:02.37 | Soeki | the only response I can think of, is that i screwed up the system at some point |
| 04:03.26 | Soeki | m-a a-i actually did a lot more without errors but it ended with the common one |
| 04:03.38 | abrotman | i'd google a bit .. see if you find a solution |
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| 04:03.49 | Soeki | this one is like a wall since i have no clue what it means. |
| 04:03.54 | Soeki | im on it already |
| 04:04.39 | abrotman | Soeki: you could try to contact the maintainer |
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| 04:07.03 | Soeki | is it possible that using m-a a-i the module its compiled using a different kernel that 2.6.18 |
| 04:07.14 | amaldo | Hello! Does anyone know a quick way to build a mbox from a bunch of files containing single emails ? |
| 04:07.35 | troubled | amaldo: cat them togethere perhaps? |
| 04:08.02 | troubled | im not 100% on the format of mbox, so you may need to put an extra "." or something between them |
| 04:08.03 | amaldo | troubled: didn't work. |
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| 04:08.29 | amaldo | troubled: ok, that might be something to look at. Let me search for the mbox format description |
| 04:08.31 | troubled | i would need a sample mbox and pair of emails to work with though to be sure |
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| 04:09.40 | abrotman | Soeki: make sure there are no traces of that module .. then remake it |
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| 04:10.04 | troubled | amaldo: looking at one of my mbox's, they just seem to be cat'd togethere with a blank line in between the first email and the next emails headers |
| 04:10.15 | amaldo | troubled: and they seem to all begin with from |
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| 04:10.41 | troubled | amaldo: you should test what happens when you have an email which contains the headers in the body as well to see how it deals with them |
| 04:11.12 | amaldo | troubled: thanks! I'll give that a shot: a from line at the beginning, the email, and then a white line. Let's see |
| 04:11.22 | troubled | nod |
| 04:11.28 | Soeki | will do abrotman ill give it one more hour and then go to bed. gn, thanks. |
| 04:11.32 | abrotman | ok |
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| 04:13.07 | nocti_ | i got mplayer playing something and whenever firefox loads something the sound pauses. what gives? |
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| 04:14.22 | amaldo | tralala: great, that works. I made a dummy "From something@something else date" at the beginning, and it gets recognized by mutt. Thanks for the hint |
| 04:14.25 | amaldo | See you guys later |
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| 04:18.17 | raf256 | hello, is stable the best choice for production server? |
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| 04:19.19 | troubled | nah, something more bleeding edge, that can break on a moments notice during upgrade, seems like a better choice to me ;) |
| 04:20.34 | nocti_ | i got mplayer playing something and whenever firefox loads something the sound pauses. what could be wrong? |
| 04:20.59 | simonrvn | load |
| 04:21.09 | simonrvn | cpu usage |
| 04:21.16 | Guerin | nocti_: the problem is most likely flash |
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| 04:21.25 | raf256 | !rq raf245 |
| 04:21.29 | troubled | simonrvn: familiar with low free cpu cycles are we? :) |
| 04:21.31 | Guerin | unless it's every time firefox has to render any page (even without flash) |
| 04:21.37 | raf256 | sorry wrong channel |
| 04:21.42 | nocti_ | Guerin: i haven't installed flash yet. just a fresh net install with fluxbox and iceweasel |
| 04:21.57 | Guerin | nocti_: what spec is the box, and what media are you trying to play? |
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| 04:22.54 | nocti_ | Guerin: mp3 from an ntfs partition mounted via ntfs-3g using mplayer. 2.6ghz 512ram. |
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| 04:23.26 | Guerin | that should be totally bulletproof, even when the cpu is at high load |
| 04:23.41 | Guerin | playing mp3 will use only a tiny fraction of that cpu time |
| 04:23.46 | Guerin | i blame ntfs |
| 04:24.05 | nocti_ | swap is 512 too. yea ntfs :) i was thinking about that too. |
| 04:24.14 | Guerin | try playing local files |
| 04:24.18 | lepine | my init.d script for apache2 fails to start the service ... it does so silently ... apache2ctl start works fine ... |
| 04:24.20 | simonrvn | troubled: you know it |
| 04:24.24 | nocti_ | right. thanks for the hint G |
| 04:24.26 | lepine | my logs dont mention anything |
| 04:24.32 | lepine | what should i be looking into? |
| 04:24.58 | Guerin | lepine: sh -x /etc/init.d/apache2 start |
| 04:25.20 | simonrvn | boycott 2010 |
| 04:25.45 | Guerin | lepine: output on paster; i might not be much use |
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| 04:26.10 | lepine | http://pastebin.ca/800149 |
| 04:27.17 | DawnLight | lepine: there is a VERBOSE switch in the script |
| 04:27.23 | Schalken | why does xfce depend on desktop-base? cant i have xfce without debian's theming? |
| 04:27.35 | Schalken | using etch/stable |
| 04:27.36 | Guerin | Schalken: why would you bother? |
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| 04:27.40 | simonrvn | !info desktop-base |
| 04:27.52 | lepine | looking into it DawnLight |
| 04:27.59 | Guerin | it might be a recommends: |
| 04:28.13 | colera | if i make an iso of an audio cd using dd how can i make sure that it is a perfect copy? |
| 04:28.21 | Guerin | colera: md5sum |
| 04:28.28 | Schalken | Guerin: nah, it actually depends on it. |
| 04:28.32 | colera | Guerin: that's what i was thinking |
| 04:28.36 | colera | Guerin: but how |
| 04:28.36 | colera | ? |
| 04:28.42 | Guerin | colera: man md5sum |
| 04:28.44 | Schalken | Guerin: well, xfce depends on xfce-session which depends on desktop-base. |
| 04:28.45 | Guerin | come off it |
| 04:29.02 | colera | xterm |
| 04:29.07 | lepine | DawnLight: where is the $VERBOSE variable set? environment? |
| 04:29.37 | DawnLight | lepine: just change it in the script to yes |
| 04:29.40 | Guerin | Schalken: ah. xfce is a metapackage which sucks in a whole bunch of other stuff. If you just want the bones, get the individual packages |
| 04:29.46 | colera | Guerin: you can run md5sum on a /dev? |
| 04:29.56 | Guerin | colera: sure can |
| 04:29.57 | dpkg | desktop-base: (common files for the Debian Desktop), section x11, is optional. Version: 4.0.4 (sid), Packaged size: 2242 kB, Installed size: 2684 kB |
| 04:30.10 | Guerin | Schalken: but hey, it's 2MB. Just ignore it. |
| 04:30.31 | Schalken | Guerin: i dont just want the bones. i just want xfce. without desktop-base. |
| 04:30.51 | Schalken | Guerin: and plus, its not the metapackage that depends on it, its xfce-session (whatever that is) |
| 04:31.18 | DawnLight | Schalken: what is so bad about desktop-base? |
| 04:31.23 | Guerin | Schalken: one of the componens of xfce, which you claim to want. The bit which saves and restores sessions and does such ddesktoppy things. |
| 04:31.48 | Guerin | i have to say - all this worrying about it, I hope you're planning to get a shitload of use out of that 2.2MB of hard drive space |
| 04:32.02 | Guerin | because that's all desktop-base is |
| 04:32.15 | Schalken | DawnLight: im trying to get a plain xfce desktop without deiban's theming. last i checked desktop-base puts up debian-styled splash screens amongst other things. |
| 04:32.46 | DawnLight | Schalken: you hate debian artwork? |
| 04:32.54 | Guerin | ... |
| 04:32.59 | Guerin | that doesn't follow |
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| 04:33.24 | Schalken | DawnLight: no, well, depends, but thats irrelevant. |
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| 04:34.15 | Schalken | DawnLight: :S |
| 04:34.17 | Schalken | hmmm. |
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| 04:35.47 | Schalken | DawnLight: i suppose the question im really asking is why xfce-session depends on desktop-base when desktop-base isnt required for xfce-session to function. |
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| 04:36.02 | Schalken | unless desktop-base provides more than i think it does. |
| 04:36.07 | DawnLight | i assume it does |
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| 04:36.50 | Schalken | DawnLight: i successfully installed kde without desktop-base, though. |
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| 04:37.02 | colera | Guerin: how exactly would i do that then 'md5sum /dev/cdrom' ? That doesn't work |
| 04:37.41 | DawnLight | colera: is it mounted |
| 04:40.53 | colera | DawnLight: yeah i am not sure where though. it seems to automount. there are no data files on the cd. it is an audio cd. I can access the cd with soundjiucer etc. BUT it nothing is listed when i type 'mount' that looks like the cdrom drive |
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| 04:42.01 | colera | i am trying to avoid using exact auido copy on windows because i think it is so overkill. it should be pretty damn easy to make a bit for bit cd image |
| 04:43.12 | colera | exact audio copy is so slow, and it saturates my bus like crazy, everything slows to a crawl and audio on the windows machines plays horrible while it is ripping, because i think the bus is saturated |
| 04:43.53 | dalias | it's not easy |
| 04:43.59 | dalias | bit for bit cd copy is difficult |
| 04:44.10 | colera | of an audio cd though? |
| 04:44.13 | dalias | yes |
| 04:44.18 | dalias | very difficult |
| 04:44.41 | k2t0f12d | Audio is harder then data |
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| 04:44.56 | dalias | synchronization and error correction data is minimal compared to data tracks, and the hardware provides no automation of the algorithms needed |
| 04:44.59 | colera | oh i guess it isn't iso 9000 or whatever |
| 04:45.23 | Guerin | colera: md5sum /dev/hdd works for me |
| 04:45.29 | Guerin | well, hang on |
| 04:45.32 | dalias | basically all cds have errors/scratches/etc, or even if not, the drive makes mistakes reading it from time to time |
| 04:45.44 | Guerin | eac is good for ripping tracks, but only because the typical windows software is so shit |
| 04:45.46 | dalias | so the reading process has to resynchronize |
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| 04:46.04 | Guerin | debian has far superior ripping tools |
| 04:46.09 | dalias | cdparanoia? |
| 04:46.13 | Guerin | that's one |
| 04:46.18 | dalias | it's the only good ripping tool i know |
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| 04:46.42 | spherez | hi i made mistake : ma curent directory have 100000 files how i can erase it ? |
| 04:46.45 | colera | cdparanoia? |
| 04:47.01 | Guerin | well, the bestest thing is that the *n?x tools interact so well, whereas every windows ripping suite needs to be cut from whole cloth |
| 04:47.03 | dalias | spherez, just the new files you created, or all files in the directory? |
| 04:47.09 | dalias | or the directory itself? |
| 04:47.39 | spherez | all the files created : they are .txt |
| 04:47.48 | Guerin | spherez: rm *.txt |
| 04:47.51 | dalias | do you have other .txt files you want to save? |
| 04:48.00 | jonssen | in phpbb2, how do i specify a link in a msg automatically i.e. anything that starts with http would be a link? |
| 04:48.01 | dalias | or do you want to delete all the .txt files? |
| 04:48.03 | spherez | no |
| 04:48.23 | dalias | if you want to delete them all, rm *.txt, but be warned you cannot get them back once you delete |
| 04:48.25 | Guerin | jonssen: how should we know anything about phpbb? Ask someplace else. |
| 04:48.46 | spherez | yes but when i make shred -u it answer : list of argument too long ! |
| 04:48.54 | jonssen | Guerin: you are forever a pita. if you don't have the answer, just stfu. |
| 04:49.07 | spherez | yes i know rm *.txt |
| 04:49.18 | Guerin | jonssen: no, fuck you. THis isn't a clearinghouse for all the stupid questions. Go ask someone who cares. |
| 04:49.28 | Guerin | !topicbadger jonssen |
| 04:49.28 | dpkg | /topic /topic /topic /topic /topic /topic *READ IT*READ IT* /topic /topic /topic /topic /topic /topic /topic *a shaaame it's a shaaame that jonssen didn't read the* /topic /topic /topic /topic... |
| 04:49.36 | dalias | ohh.. |
| 04:49.42 | dalias | then |
| 04:49.49 | dalias | for i in * ; do rm "$i" ; done |
| 04:50.07 | jonssen | Guerin: as long as i use a package under debian, i can raise a q concerning it here. fyi. |
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| 04:50.39 | ampex | If I change my mdadm configuration, do I need to rebuild my initrd? Does it use my mdadm.conf file? |
| 04:50.40 | dalias | jonssen, you can ask but you're not likely to get an answer |
| 04:50.44 | Guerin | jonssen: you can raise it, but you'll get told to raise it elsewhere. If you think we can support all 20,000 or so debian programs, you're fucking delusional. |
| 04:50.44 | dalias | this is not #phpmonkeys |
| 04:51.02 | dondelelcaro | Guerin: lay off please; you don't have to answer jonssen either. |
| 04:51.05 | dalias | i.e. most of us dont know or care about php so we're unlikely to know the answers |
| 04:51.07 | spherez | NO i MADE RM*.txt but it doesn't work : it aswers "list or argument too long" ! Guerin |
| 04:51.09 | jonssen | dalias: that is smarter than that stupid Guerin. |
| 04:51.33 | dondelelcaro | spherez: you want find . -type f -maxdepth 1 -mindepth 1 -iname '*.txt' -print0|xargs -0 rm -f; |
| 04:51.45 | dondelelcaro | jonssen: insulting people isn't appropriate either. |
| 04:51.45 | Guerin | being considered stupid by stupid people is a badge of honour. It's like multiplying negatives. |
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| 04:52.21 | jonssen | ? |
| 04:52.37 | dondelelcaro | Guerin: use /ignore instead, please. [10 minutes] |
| 04:53.07 | jonssen | dondelelcaro: you should tell that to Guerin. |
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| 04:53.15 | dondelelcaro | jonssen: likewise. |
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| 04:56.48 | mikeal | how do i move everything from using python2.4 to python2.5 |
| 04:56.56 | ehc | is there a way to see the location of where a program is installed to?> |
| 04:56.58 | mikeal | i'm trying pycentral but it's not really doing anything |
| 04:57.08 | mikeal | $ which name |
| 04:57.18 | colera | dalias: can you use cdparanoia to rip an image of the cd or just track by track? I want to preserve the track gaps |
| 04:57.45 | mikeal | ehc: the `which` command will tell you where the binary is |
| 04:57.49 | dondelelcaro | mikeal: anything you want to use python2.5, just change env python; to env python2.5 |
| 04:57.55 | dondelelcaro | ehc: or just dpkg -L foopkg; |
| 04:58.07 | dondelelcaro | mikeal: otherwise, wait for the python transition to transition to python2.5 |
| 04:58.11 | mikeal | it's not that, i need aptitude to be using it |
| 04:58.19 | dalias | colera, use cdrdao to rip then |
| 04:58.25 | dalias | it uses the paranoia libs |
| 04:58.26 | mikeal | dondelelcaro: when is that transition happening? |
| 04:58.33 | dalias | but also preserves all the disc structure |
| 04:58.52 | dalias | and it can burn too (in disc-at-once mode) to recreate it all |
| 04:59.00 | colera | dalias: cool thanks |
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| 04:59.44 | dondelelcaro | mikeal: you'd have to ask the python maintainers. AFAIK it's a release goal for them for lenny |
| 04:59.58 | mikeal | cool |
| 05:00.05 | dondelelcaro | mikeal: but in general, it shouldn't matter save for specific things that you want to use python2.5, and you can specify them explicitely. |
| 05:00.46 | dondelelcaro | mikeal: uh... aptitude doesn't use python at all |
| 05:00.53 | CaT[tm] | has anyone here used Sympa under Debian? |
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| 05:01.04 | mikeal | i mean the packages it installs |
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| 05:01.21 | mikeal | i get complaints a lot about my /usr/bin/python pointing to /usr/bin/python2.5 |
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| 05:01.52 | dondelelcaro | mikeal: well, what did you expect when you change the system default? |
| 05:02.07 | dondelelcaro | mikeal: change it back, and use anything that you want to use python2.5 to use python2.5 explicitely. |
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| 05:02.25 | mikeal | i'm not installing python packages through apt tho, it's calling something in the package system that uses ptyhon |
| 05:02.45 | dondelelcaro | mikeal: if you're installing any package that uses any python, then that'll be called. |
| 05:03.01 | dondelelcaro | mikeal: you kind of need to provide the output if you want more detailed help, though. |
| 05:03.10 | mikeal | ok |
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| 05:07.43 | bucky | CaT[tm], it's in the repos isn't it? |
| 05:08.53 | bucky | the mailing list manager? |
| 05:09.13 | Sweetandy | How does I makes a mailbox? |
| 05:09.42 | Sweetandy | Wait... I bet you it's in man var |
| 05:10.12 | Sweetandy | or man mail |
| 05:11.10 | bucky | Torgo ? |
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| 05:11.23 | DawnLight | bucky: http://packages.debian.org |
| 05:12.00 | bucky | sympa has always been in debian for as long as i can remember |
| 05:12.04 | DawnLight | Sweetandy: what is a mailbox? |
| 05:12.39 | CaT[tm] | bucky: yeah. just wondering where to start with it. :) |
| 05:12.40 | Sweetandy | DawnLight: Um, a mail spool perhaps? /mail/var/username? |
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| 05:12.58 | Sweetandy | DawnLight: Ah, a Mailbox file |
| 05:13.02 | DawnLight | Sweetandy: do you have exim installed? |
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| 05:13.23 | DawnLight | know what |
| 05:13.26 | CaT[tm] | bucky: if you've used it I take it the first step would be to setup a site-wide login for the web interface? or am I barking up the wrong tree? |
| 05:13.31 | DawnLight | !wayttd Sweetandy |
| 05:13.31 | dpkg | What Are You Trying To Do, Sweetandy? |
| 05:13.48 | Sweetandy | Check pop3 mail |
| 05:13.57 | Sweetandy | Um, I'm trying to use elmo |
| 05:14.08 | DawnLight | !info elmo |
| 05:14.10 | bucky | CaT[tm], i did it a long time ago.. forgot most of it they have good docs http://www.sympa.org/wiki/manual |
| 05:14.10 | dpkg | elmo: (text-based mail-reader supporting SMTP and POP3), section mail, is optional. Version: 1.3.0-1.1 (sid), Packaged size: 190 kB, Installed size: 532 kB |
| 05:14.53 | DawnLight | Sweetandy: try /usr/share/doc/elmo/* and README.Debian specifically |
| 05:14.59 | CaT[tm] | bucky: no worries. thanks for replying and stuff. I'll slog it out I guess. :) |
| 05:15.06 | Sweetandy | Brilliant!!!! Thanks DawnLight! |
| 05:15.34 | bucky | CaT[tm], i think apt sets it up for you mostly |
| 05:15.39 | DawnLight | Sweetandy: man less and man zless |
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| 05:16.24 | bucky | CaT[tm], look in /usr/share/doc/sympa for anything debian specific |
| 05:16.34 | CaT[tm] | bucky: it's barfing as I'm going sql off the bat. this may be because I'm trying to use the latest from lenny (backported) and it's not 100% quite there yet. |
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| 05:18.20 | Sweetandy | DawnLight: My God, I've been opened to a new world. |
| 05:18.52 | DawnLight | know that deeling |
| 05:18.57 | DawnLight | feeling |
| 05:19.48 | bucky | CaT[tm], did you just apt-get install sympa and let apt take care of the dependancies? |
| 05:19.51 | ehc | mikeal, that just tells me /usr/bin I am wondering for django where all of core files are. |
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| 05:20.40 | CaT[tm] | bucky: nah. I recompiled. |
| 05:20.45 | bucky | CaT[tm], check this out |
| 05:21.01 | bucky | http://www.sympa.org/wiki/faq/trouble_shooting |
| 05:21.01 | bucky | Sympa on Debian Etch (stable) with Exim4 |
| 05:21.27 | bucky | CaT[tm], you compiled mysql? or sympa? |
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| 05:21.37 | CaT[tm] | bucky: sympa. |
| 05:22.40 | bucky | CaT[tm], apt-cache show sympa have you satisfied all the dependancies there ? |
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| 05:23.27 | CaT[tm] | bucky: yup. it's mainly having issues creating stuff in the db. it seems to assume contradictory things so that it seems that I can't win. |
| 05:24.36 | bucky | CaT[tm], so you have libdbd-mysql-perl installed? |
| 05:25.13 | CaT[tm] | bucky: libdbd-pg-perl |
| 05:25.36 | bucky | CaT[tm], so you went with postgresql |
| 05:25.40 | CaT[tm] | bucky: yup. |
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| 05:28.21 | bucky | CaT[tm], do you have your permissions in postgres set up to accept from the group sympa ? |
| 05:28.52 | bucky | and user sympa |
| 05:28.58 | CaT[tm] | bucky: lemme check |
| 05:29.33 | CaT[tm] | bucky: it can actually authenticate. |
| 05:29.40 | bucky | as who? |
| 05:30.05 | CaT[tm] | bucky: that it is a bit unclear about. one sec and let me get a clear error message. |
| 05:30.08 | bucky | did you open it up so anyone can authenticate? |
| 05:30.43 | bucky | CaT[tm], did you create the sympa user during install? |
| 05:31.37 | CaT[tm] | bucky: one sec and I'll get a proper error with a clean db |
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| 05:33.01 | CaT[tm] | bucky: see it's as if it tries to create the database twice: DBD::Pg::db do failed: ERROR: database "sympa" already exists |
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| 05:33.42 | CaT[tm] | bucky: it succeeds, moves on and then tries again and bombs out. I made sure that neither the db nor the user existed beforehand. |
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| 05:37.07 | bucky | CaT[tm], cat /etc/passwd |grep sympa |
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| 05:37.09 | imtiaz | I am new to debian let me know how to configure networks devices fro CLI |
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| 05:37.57 | bucky | imtiaz, does eth0 show up in ifconfig ? |
| 05:38.10 | imtiaz | ok |
| 05:38.30 | bucky | yes? |
| 05:38.57 | Nyle | imtiaz: salam |
| 05:39.08 | bucky | haha... hi Nyle |
| 05:39.19 | imtiaz | every thing works fine, I have configured imy network from konqurere --> settings .. but I want to know the CLI |
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| 05:39.41 | CaT[tm] | bucky: it exists. |
| 05:39.46 | Nyle | !tell imtiaz -about interfaces |
| 05:40.05 | Nyle | bucky: hi |
| 05:40.25 | ehc | I created a symbolic link with the following command "sudo ln -s /usr/share/python-support/python-django/django/contrib/admin/media/admin/ /var/www/media/" but I cannot "cd admin" inside /var/www/media/ I get an error of no such file or dir exists. How can I make the symbolic link followable? |
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| 05:41.22 | _uplinkd_ | is there a way i can set up a menu to choose from wireless networks at boot time since i have 3 networks i use depending on where i am? |
| 05:41.29 | bucky | imtiaz, http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-gateway.en.html#s-net-basic |
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| 05:43.38 | DawnLight | is there some tool that helps me to manually interact with a router that supports upnp? specifically, i want to make a port forward |
| 05:44.10 | MrTelephone | look for upnp rfc |
| 05:44.21 | bucky | _uplinkd_, you can use mapping http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-gateway.en.html#s-net-magic-reconf |
| 05:44.33 | _uplinkd_ | thanks bucky |
| 05:45.25 | bucky | np |
| 05:45.31 | DawnLight | MrTelephone: i don't want to program something that does it and i don't want to write and send the packets myself. i am looking for something that does it according to parameters |
| 05:45.47 | bucky | CaT[tm], did you set all the database parameters in sympa.conf |
| 05:45.48 | bucky | http://www.sympa.org/wiki/manual/conf-parameters/part3#database_related |
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| 05:46.12 | bucky | CaT[tm], especially db_type mysql | SQLite | Pg | Oracle | Sybase |
| 05:46.37 | CaT[tm] | bucky: i let dpkg-reconfigure do it. |
| 05:46.55 | CaT[tm] | bucky: but they appear right on verification. I think the breakage is deeper then that. |
| 05:47.11 | bucky | i dunno |
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| 05:47.28 | CaT[tm] | bucky: otherwise it would not be able to create a database in the first place. |
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| 05:47.49 | bucky | ic |
| 05:48.01 | Nyle | !ping |
| 05:48.01 | dpkg | pong |
| 05:48.48 | bucky | CaT[tm], sympa.conf has a parameter for a read only user db_user |
| 05:49.16 | Nyle | !info conky |
| 05:49.18 | dpkg | conky: (highly configurable system monitor for X based on torsmo), section utils, is optional. Version: 1.4.7-1 (sid), Packaged size: 138 kB, Installed size: 412 kB |
| 05:49.37 | bucky | CaT[tm], you could open up Pg to where anyone can authenticate reload the deamon and try it |
| 05:49.54 | bucky | and eliminate that problem |
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| 05:53.33 | CaT[tm] | bucky: sorry. back. I might give that a go and see what happens[tm]. |
| 05:54.28 | bucky | CaT[tm], good luck... it's worth it if you can get it going.. it's a typical unix/perl app - lots of little parts |
| 05:56.44 | CaT[tm] | bucky: yeah and it has vhost and sql support, which is what made me run away from mailman in the first place. |
| 05:58.08 | bucky | CaT[tm], you looking for a simple mail list manager? |
| 05:58.44 | CaT[tm] | bucky: kinda, maybe. :) |
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| 06:02.22 | rcbarnes | So I dist-upgraded lenny and mplayer's toast now. |
| 06:02.43 | rcbarnes | I get segfaults with both the pre-build and the hand-build versions I have. |
| 06:03.23 | bucky | CaT[tm], i think you're down to either mlmmj or quickml apt-cache show them.. quickml is ruby centric |
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| 06:03.32 | rcbarnes | I have output from ldd ( http://pastebin.com/m417061a1 ) and gdb ( http://pastebin.com/m6f7497bb ). |
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| 06:04.37 | monchevique | how do I add the songs in rhytmbox for ipod? |
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| 06:04.41 | CaT[tm] | bucky: it seems neither provide sql access or vhost (though that's just from the short desc) |
| 06:04.52 | bucky | yep |
| 06:05.00 | ehc | I have a project example. I have the following two lines in my apache2.conf file SetEnv DJANGO_SETTINGS_MODULE example.settings PythonPath "['/usr/local/django-apps/', '/var/www/'] + sys.path" but I am still getting EnvironmentError: Environment variable DJANGO_SETTINGS_MODULE is undefined. |
| 06:05.09 | bucky | CaT[tm], how big is this mailing list going to be? |
| 06:05.29 | CaT[tm] | bucky: it's not one, it's many, for many domains. |
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| 06:06.04 | backupp | how do i duplicate my linux os to another computer? tar and untar? |
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| 06:06.29 | CaT[tm] | backupp: I prefer rsync if there's a network connection. |
| 06:07.36 | zu22 | i've noticed that as i've installed more packages (debian testing) that now if i even install a few small packages when it finishes downloading and gets to the step where it reads the package database the CPU flatlines at 90+% utilization for anywhere from 2-5 minutes! i know ps/750MHz cpu isn't blazing fast but this is absurd, any way to solve this performance bottleneck? |
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| 06:09.28 | rcbarnes | I've stepped through the source code as far as I can, and I'm pretty sure it's libc6 that's segfaulting somewhere inside iconv_open(). |
| 06:09.32 | backupp | CaT[tm]: what if i want it to be in a compressed file first? i'm afraid a wrong tar parameter will not preserve the symlinks, ownership and permissions.... |
| 06:10.00 | CaT[tm] | backupp: then tar it all up. you /should/ be ok. |
| 06:10.13 | bucky | CaT[tm], are you a qmail fan? |
| 06:10.38 | CaT[tm] | bucky: I just moved 25 servers away from it with much joy, rupture and satisfaction. :) |
| 06:11.01 | bucky | hahaha |
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| 06:11.19 | backupp | are there any ways to just tar the directory structures with the ownership and permissions? some of the directories are very very large |
| 06:11.42 | CaT[tm] | bucky: So, uhh, yeah... qmail is out. :) |
| 06:12.09 | bucky | CaT[tm], fml is in the repos http://www.fml.org/ |
| 06:13.14 | CaT[tm] | bucky: from its homepage: '2007: Sorry, currently, all development and maintenance stopped due to my decease.' |
| 06:13.22 | CaT[tm] | bucky: I don't see much of a future for it. |
| 06:13.40 | bucky | CaT[tm], http://www.ecartis.org/ is available in the repos |
| 06:14.59 | rcbarnes | Can I safely remove and re-install libc6? |
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| 06:17.39 | CaT[tm] | bucky: hmm. interesting. no sql by the look of it though. |
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| 06:18.40 | colera | dalias: is the TOC file that cdrao makes the same as a .cue file? |
| 06:19.36 | NiLon | I had this old computer and it says that I have 25MB total memory, but there should be something like 64MB |
| 06:19.42 | rcbarnes | Well this was productive. |
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| 06:19.51 | NiLon | is there any way to that kernel is missing something? |
| 06:19.56 | dalias | colera, no, its different syntax but there's a "toc2cue" util |
| 06:19.57 | NiLon | because it did work sometime ago |
| 06:20.07 | dalias | but the purpose is the same |
| 06:20.32 | NiLon | had->have :P |
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| 06:23.10 | pickcoder | NiLon: does dmidecode -t memory show your memory modules? |
| 06:23.27 | NiLon | bash: dmidecode: command not found |
| 06:23.35 | NiLon | hmm need to install it :p |
| 06:23.36 | colera | dalias: oh great, thanks. sorry to keep bothering you :) it made a .bin file which i assume is just a .wav file since it is a audio dump |
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| 06:24.48 | NiLon | pickcoder dmidecode: invalid option -- t |
| 06:24.55 | NiLon | hmm? |
| 06:25.55 | pickcoder | NiLon: cat /etc/debian_version |
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| 06:26.11 | NiLon | 4.0 |
| 06:26.24 | pickcoder | apt-cache policy dmidecode |
| 06:26.42 | pickcoder | just need the version |
| 06:26.47 | pickcoder | don't paste it all here |
| 06:26.51 | NiLon | installed 2.6-1 |
| 06:26.56 | pickcoder | that's old |
| 06:27.01 | PythonNinja | i have a bizzare problem with my usb port on my pentium mmx laptop. works fine if there is a device plugged in when the power is switched on, if i unplug the device, then it refuses to work again until reset. worked fine under mandrake and suse. ideas? |
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| 06:27.16 | pickcoder | what is your /etc/apt/sources.list repoistory? |
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| 06:27.21 | pickcoder | repository even |
| 06:27.24 | NiLon | sarge |
| 06:27.28 | pickcoder | erm |
| 06:27.33 | NiLon | I heard that I should use it with old computers |
| 06:27.53 | pickcoder | debian_version should not be 4.0 if you are using sarge |
| 06:28.07 | NiLon | hmm |
| 06:28.09 | pickcoder | are you sure there are not other repos that have etch? |
| 06:28.21 | pickcoder | 3.1 is Sarge |
| 06:28.27 | NiLon | everything is sarge there |
| 06:28.44 | NiLon | well I could try to upgrade whole system |
| 06:29.16 | pickcoder | what kernel are you running |
| 06:29.30 | NiLon | 2.4.27-3-386 |
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| 06:29.52 | pickcoder | ok |
| 06:30.11 | pickcoder | run dmidecode without options and see if there is a dmi table |
| 06:31.13 | NiLon | there's lots of info |
| 06:31.17 | pickcoder | ok |
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| 06:31.32 | pickcoder | you'll have to page through it with less and look for your memory modules |
| 06:31.49 | NiLon | Memory Module Information |
| 06:31.53 | NiLon | that one? |
| 06:32.17 | pickcoder | it should tell you the size installed |
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| 06:32.59 | NiLon | I got 4 of those and one got 32MB, 2 Not installed and 64KB |
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| 06:33.13 | NiLon | oops sorry that 64KB was cache |
| 06:33.58 | NiLon | just 3, where 1 32MB and 2 Not installed |
| 06:34.03 | colera | dalias: the file that cdrdao made doesn't seem to be a wav. It doesn't play in mplayer |
| 06:35.01 | NiLon | http://phpfi.com/279422 |
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| 06:35.14 | simon__ | speaking of mplayer, is it segfaulting for everyone or just me? |
| 06:35.24 | dalias | colera, of course it's not a wav |
| 06:35.30 | dalias | it's a disc image |
| 06:35.43 | dalias | you can probably play it with -demuxer rawaudio |
| 06:36.07 | dalias | but if you wanted a .wav rather than a disc image for copyign you should have just used cdparanoia |
| 06:36.17 | PythonNinja | simon__: i watched a whole bunch of movies using unstable mplayer on the way hometoday, worked fine |
| 06:39.02 | colera | dalias: okay, i understand could i then mount it with a loopback? |
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| 06:40.09 | warriorness | hey all, I just did a very minimal install of debian, and when I go 'apt-get install openssh-server' it asks me to insert the netinst CDROM... how do I bypass that and just make it download the sources from the internet? |
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| 06:40.30 | simon__ | warriorness: kill the line from the apt/sources.list |
| 06:40.49 | warriorness | simon__: /etc/apt/sources.lst ? |
| 06:41.10 | simon__ | warriorness: Yeah. There'll be a line there talking about the cd. comment it, and then apt-get update |
| 06:41.12 | pickcoder | NiLon: what does free say you have? |
| 06:41.46 | NiLon | pickcoder mem: total=26152 |
| 06:41.56 | colera | dalias: i want to be able to mount these images eventually on any type of machine. |
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| 06:42.41 | warriorness | er, hmmmmmm |
| 06:42.54 | warriorness | I just earlier ran an apt-get update && apt-get upgrade |
| 06:43.02 | warriorness | it seems to have updated the kernel |
| 06:43.08 | warriorness | gave me a message about modules |
| 06:43.15 | warriorness | now when I reboot, it hangs on "Waiting for root file system" |
| 06:43.17 | warriorness | what's wrong? |
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| 06:43.48 | pickcoder | NiLon: the kernel reserives part of the available memory |
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| 06:44.28 | NiLon | pickcoder over half? |
| 06:44.57 | pickcoder | what does dmesg | grep Memory tell you? |
| 06:45.08 | bucky | CaT[tm], what did you say about mailman? |
| 06:45.13 | NiLon | Memory: 22364k/28672k available (1070k kernel code, 5924k reserved, 458k data, 96k init, 0k highmem) |
| 06:45.18 | warriorness | ooh, google suggests doing some stuff |
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| 06:45.40 | RickyWh | does this look correct? if so, what file is this from? server1.example.com, localhost.example.com, localhost.localdomain, localhost |
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| 06:45.54 | CaT[tm] | bucky: no sql and no vhosts. there is a vhosts patch (there are a few actually) but some are kludgy and the best one seems incomplete and hasn't been touched in around 2 years maybe |
| 06:46.24 | bucky | CaT[tm], okay.. i found dbmail which can do all that with mailman |
| 06:47.16 | bucky | CaT[tm], it's in the repos and here's the website .. they also have a #dbmail on freenode |
| 06:47.17 | bucky | http://www.dbmail.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=mailman |
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| 06:48.57 | pickcoder | NiLon: boot memtest86 on your box and make sure that 32MB is actually available. |
| 06:49.13 | pickcoder | it appears that not all of the supposed 32MB is available |
| 06:49.23 | NiLon | pickcoder but there should be 64MB :) |
| 06:49.33 | pickcoder | NiLon: not according to dmi |
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| 06:49.45 | pickcoder | your BIOS may be reporting it incorrectly |
| 06:49.51 | NiLon | hmh |
| 06:50.06 | NiLon | well I'm 100% positive that there's 64MB but need to check that memtest and bios then |
| 06:50.32 | pickcoder | NiLon: you should see a total of 64MB in the DMI memory section |
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| 06:50.46 | NiLon | ok |
| 06:51.04 | pickcoder | look at the Memory Device blocks |
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| 06:51.29 | NiLon | I do that, thank you for you time :) |
| 06:51.43 | NiLon | your* |
| 06:51.58 | pickcoder | good luck |
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| 06:52.45 | averule | hi to all can any body tell me about this preseed line meaning tasksel tasksel/first multiselect standard, web-server...... |
| 06:52.57 | RickyWh | is there a way to see the list of hosts in your dns servers cache? |
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| 06:53.29 | pickcoder | RickyWh: eh? |
| 06:54.46 | RickyWh | for instance if my ISP was running a caching dns server for us to use (primary dns server), and i had access to the linux box that hosts the bind, is there a way for me to read the lists of all domains that are in the cache? |
| 06:55.12 | GhostlyDeath_ | Is there any program to view HTML Help 2 Files? |
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| 06:56.01 | bucky | CaT[tm], did that look interesting? |
| 06:56.52 | pickcoder | RickyWh: more than likely, but without knowing what software they're using it's a shot in the dark |
| 06:57.02 | RickyWh | bind9 |
| 06:57.46 | CaT[tm] | bucky: hmm. thanks for that one. I'll have a better look at it tomorrow. need to leave soon so I can't right now. |
| 06:58.09 | bucky | CaT[tm], login to #dbmail and ask questions |
| 06:58.11 | k31th | Morning! |
| 06:58.17 | RickyWh | ok, gotta go. thx for help guys, thx pickcoder |
| 06:59.06 | CaT[tm] | bucky: no worries. thanks again. :) |
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| 07:09.18 | dalias | colera, you cannot mount audio cd images |
| 07:09.21 | dalias | colera, there is no filesystem! |
| 07:10.08 | colera | dalias: haha, okay i get that now, just raw data right? |
| 07:10.14 | dalias | yes |
| 07:11.21 | colera | dalias: and the toc tells you what sectors are which tracks, so there is a filesystem, kinda |
| 07:11.29 | colera | the toc is the filesystem |
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| 07:12.38 | colera | what i want to do is rip a whole lot of audio cds with the track gaps preserved and then burn them to dvd's for archiving and then later mount these files to listen to the lossless music |
| 07:12.43 | simonrvn | thta's hardly a fs |
| 07:12.47 | simon__ | mplayer, xine, glxgears all segfault at me. I'm thinking there's something very broken on my system. Does anyone know of simple solutions? (By simple I mean probably faster than just reinstalling) |
| 07:13.19 | colera | there is a tool in windows called daemon tools, it can mount a .wav and .cue of an audio cd and make the OS think it is an audio cd |
| 07:14.12 | colera | simonrvn: well a filesystem is a bunch of raw data with a TOC tell you what data is what, no? |
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| 07:15.23 | colera | simonrvn: not to argue though, i'm sure that is a primitive description of an fs and BEST |
| 07:15.32 | dalias | :P |
| 07:15.33 | colera | erhh at BEST i mean |
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| 07:16.23 | dalias | if you want you could just convert the information in the toc and then compress the whole audio stream with flac or something, even |
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| 07:17.34 | colera | dalias: how would i be preserving the gaps and lead in etc? |
| 07:17.45 | colera | i would like to compress though |
| 07:17.51 | dalias | by keeping the toc info |
| 07:17.54 | simon__ | quit |
| 07:18.10 | colera | convert the TOC to what? |
| 07:18.20 | colera | oh to cue |
| 07:18.55 | colera | then use the flac and cue? |
| 07:19.23 | colera | what eac does is it makes one .wav and a cue |
| 07:19.49 | colera | that would be ideal. |
| 07:21.01 | colera | can i make one .wav with a corresponding .cue with cdparnoia or cdrdao? i guess i could then compress the .wav to flac, that would be great |
| 07:21.36 | dalias | to make the .wav you probably just need to prepend a wav header to the .bin file and then update the offsets in the cue file to match |
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| 07:22.40 | colera | dalias: good idea |
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| 07:26.57 | alexbodn | hi all |
| 07:28.12 | alexbodn | i'm using testing/lenny and it seems queery that i find no updates (with aptitude) for quite a few days. maybe the problem is with my setup? |
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| 07:38.57 | tenzind | hi ... what all webcam applications do we have in debian other than camorama? |
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| 07:42.54 | pengwyn | it'd be nice to shove a 1394 up a kino channel piped to the web ;o) |
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| 07:43.17 | pengwyn | oh but not with a 1.5 dsl |
| 07:43.23 | pengwyn | heh |
| 07:43.31 | pengwyn | I don't know |
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| 07:44.34 | pengwyn | seems like somehow the problem with video is compression and bandwidth |
| 07:44.49 | dalias | ? |
| 07:44.52 | pengwyn | takes time to compress, and bandwidth to send |
| 07:45.08 | dalias | yes |
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| 07:45.59 | Nyle | n |
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| 07:46.21 | pengwyn | most people got these stupid webcams. USB. blagh.. garbage video, use 3CCD camera or HD even, how can you pipe that to the web in real time? You can't. |
| 07:46.44 | pengwyn | Linux has hell made strides in video though |
| 07:47.03 | pengwyn | cinelerra for example. It gets better. |
| 07:47.25 | dalias | eh? you can stream crap like that to the web in realtime if you like |
| 07:47.40 | pengwyn | I think the answer is to get rid of our corporate governments and lay down fiber for all |
| 07:47.59 | pengwyn | take away their profit |
| 07:48.16 | pengwyn | take away their monopoly on the media |
| 07:48.18 | dalias | who will pay for it? who will make all the fiber? |
| 07:48.27 | dalias | not so much bw is needed |
| 07:48.50 | pengwyn | not as much bandwidth if your willing to sacrifice a time delay |
| 07:49.00 | pengwyn | time to compress |
| 07:49.00 | dalias | hm? |
| 07:49.13 | dalias | you mean like a 1-frame delay? |
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| 07:49.46 | pengwyn | hell if I had the 2 TB carosell server with MPEG 2 I'd be doing better than CNN |
| 07:50.05 | pengwyn | but, then there's that bandwidth cost/problem |
| 07:51.01 | pengwyn | dalias, no I mean for example. MiniDV out for an hour = 13 GB |
| 07:51.10 | dalias | dv is shit |
| 07:51.17 | pengwyn | dv is editable |
| 07:51.24 | pengwyn | USB is shit |
| 07:51.25 | dalias | so is anything if you have good software |
| 07:52.01 | pengwyn | alright, I will refrain from name calling |
| 07:52.37 | pengwyn | there's problems in ALL os's. |
| 07:52.44 | pengwyn | as far as video |
| 07:52.50 | dalias | i'm not sure what points you're trying to make |
| 07:52.54 | dalias | video is hardly an os matter |
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| 07:53.15 | pengwyn | believe in the god you want. |
| 07:53.29 | nocti | i did a make menuconfig and got this error - http://pastebin.ca/800237 |
| 07:53.30 | dalias | wtf was his problem? |
| 07:53.34 | nocti | what's wrong |
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| 07:54.01 | PythonNinja | sorry to repeat myself, but... |
| 07:54.04 | dalias | you didn't install ncurses-devel package |
| 07:54.15 | PythonNinja | and getting my shit ready for math final on friday |
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| 07:54.19 | SunDevil | heu |
| 07:54.39 | PythonNinja | i have a bizzare problem with my usb port on my pentium mmx laptop. works fine if there is a device plugged in when the power is switched on, if i unplug the device, then it refuses to work again until reset. worked fine under mandrake and suse. ideas? |
| 07:54.41 | SunDevil | for backup purposes i need yesterday's date from command line. Anyone kow how to gt it? |
| 07:54.46 | nocti | dalias: thanks |
| 07:55.08 | SunDevil | cant do any calculations with 'date' |
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| 07:55.48 | nocti | dalias: no pkg called ncurses-devel |
| 07:55.48 | spq | i currently have a very small debian repository created by dpkg-scanpackages -m pkg/ /dev/null | gzip -9c > pkg/Packages.gz but now i want to sign this repository to remove the question if i trust the source... how do i do this? (everywhere the speak about signing the Release file) |
| 07:55.51 | DawnLight | i am getting 'checking for LIBGSSDP... configure: error: Package requirements (gobject-2.0 >= 2.9.1 libsoup-2.2 >= 2.2.97) were not met:' are these things available in etch at appropriate versions? does the configure script look in my list of installed debian packages? |
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| 07:56.03 | dalias | sundevil, date -d '1 day ago' |
| 07:56.20 | SunDevil | wow |
| 07:56.22 | dalias | nocti, libncurses-dev maybe |
| 07:56.32 | SunDevil | didnt know it could do that |
| 07:56.35 | dalias | sundevil, :) |
| 07:56.36 | SunDevil | thanks daias |
| 07:56.42 | SunDevil | +l |
| 07:57.10 | dalias | sundevil, date -d 'now - 1 day' should also work |
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| 08:00.09 | SunDevil | ok |
| 08:00.10 | SunDevil | cheers |
| 08:02.07 | dimir | Moin! |
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| 08:05.52 | DawnLight | i have $PREFIX set to a specific directory in my home. but configure scripts don't mind that as they set the install path to /usr/local. WAIM? |
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| 08:07.04 | Nyle | waim? |
| 08:07.06 | Nyle | dude |
| 08:07.11 | Nyle | english, please |
| 08:09.18 | spq | i currently have a very small debian repository created by dpkg-scanpackages -m pkg/ /dev/null | gzip -9c > pkg/Packages.gz but now i want to sign this repository to remove the question if i trust the source... how do i do this? (everywhere the speak about signing the Release file) |
| 08:10.22 | DawnLight | !waim |
| 08:10.22 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, waim is What Am I Missing |
| 08:10.32 | DawnLight | debianish |
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| 08:11.46 | DawnLight | Nyle: ^ |
| 08:11.54 | Nyle | ahh |
| 08:11.58 | Nyle | thanks |
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| 08:21.11 | bucky | !clue me |
| 08:22.12 | DawnLight | building stuff from source is so nerve wrecking. i wonder what it would be like without apt... |
| 08:22.36 | k2t0f12d | Fun and exciting! |
| 08:22.45 | bucky | it would be like gentoo |
| 08:22.48 | DawnLight | adventurous really |
| 08:22.53 | sep | DawnLight, time consuming |
| 08:23.03 | k2t0f12d | Ive never built with apt |
| 08:23.14 | DawnLight | gentoo doesn't make it all automagically? |
| 08:23.43 | DawnLight | k2t0f12d: i mean with all the *-dev packages easily at my disposal |
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| 08:25.12 | k2t0f12d | What is more fun is rsyncing the Debian repository for i386 binary packages with only three hours of bandwidth per day @ 125 kbps |
| 08:25.34 | DawnLight | bossible? |
| 08:25.38 | DawnLight | possible? |
| 08:25.52 | sep | k2t0f12d, order a compleate dvd set sent by snailmail :) |
| 08:25.54 | k2t0f12d | Sure |
| 08:26.07 | k2t0f12d | I get 1.2 gb per day |
| 08:26.17 | k2t0f12d | dvd goes out of date |
| 08:26.21 | k2t0f12d | I have Etch discs |
| 08:26.28 | k2t0f12d | Im excluding etch and older |
| 08:26.34 | k2t0f12d | testing and newer |
| 08:26.40 | DawnLight | having the dvds is a pleasure |
| 08:26.51 | Decepticon | what is the difference b/w unrar and unrar-free ? |
| 08:27.05 | dalias | unrar-free only supports ancient rar v2 files |
| 08:27.06 | dalias | not v3 |
| 08:27.07 | DawnLight | having an automatic cd changer would be even nicer |
| 08:27.12 | Decepticon | besides 3.0 rar files not being able to do |
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| 08:28.53 | enouf | DawnLight: diff configure scripts have diff VAR available, you like also have EPREFIX avail, do ./configure --help , review any INSTALL and README files |
| 08:29.28 | DawnLight | thanks |
| 08:30.42 | k2t0f12d | Some source will tell you explicitly what you are missing if you ./configure --verbose |
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| 08:32.03 | aaaabbbb | is the latest debian sid - wine messed up? I try to installpokerstars and all i get is glyphs, same with winecfg? |
| 08:32.44 | k2t0f12d | Did you compile your own video card module? |
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| 08:32.57 | andreles | Hi! I need your help. Iam collecting points in page listed below. If you be so kind, please click url below. http://www.3dwhite.lt/?click=56a3cdcf22ccc7ab5f0a7f4d2bc900ff |
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| 08:33.14 | DawnLight | k2t0f12d: it is missing some library becuase i've installed it not in the default directory so i guess pkg-config doesn't find it thus. i need to figure out how to specify the library path |
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| 08:33.17 | aaaabbbb | anyone sid go to pokerstars.com and try to install it. |
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| 08:33.38 | aaaabbbb | using sid after apt-get update |
| 08:33.44 | k2t0f12d | aaaabbbb: Something similar happened to me the other night. Mesa libs updated and I had to recompile nVidia kernel module. |
| 08:33.57 | simon_ | what? |
| 08:34.36 | aaaabbbb | k2t0f12d: i dont use nvidia but sis and use basic vesa |
| 08:34.51 | k2t0f12d | One game I used through WINE stopped working after mesal libs updated, everything else worked. |
| 08:35.13 | k2t0f12d | Recompiling nVidia kernel module fixed the problem, but must not be the problem here. |
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| 08:35.51 | aaaabbbb | i get checks solid circles, strange glyphs. |
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| 08:37.26 | aaaabbbb | k2t0f12d: it is just the text, the program would run fine the installer is unreadable |
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| 08:41.38 | socketErr | there are any tools to manage the deb packages on a big server farm? |
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| 08:42.58 | sep | socketErr, if you want a tool that can manage the entire farm, including configiguration, installation etcm you should look at FAI |
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| 08:44.54 | xst | Can anyone explain this: I can do a "ping google.com" just fine, but "traceroute google.com" returns "traceroute: unknown host google.com". Is something wrong here? |
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| 08:45.21 | simonrvn | yes |
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| 08:45.31 | indraveni | hi all |
| 08:45.50 | indraveni | i have upgrading to lenny and now i have gnome 2.20.1 version of evince document viewer |
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| 08:46.11 | indraveni | i have seen in the gnome 2.20 release notes that editing the document viewer is allowed |
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| 08:46.21 | indraveni | but here i am not able to see any such option |
| 08:46.23 | indraveni | why is it so ? |
| 08:46.30 | indraveni | am i missing something |
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| 08:46.52 | simonrvn | "editing the viewer", how? did they say? |
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| 08:46.59 | simonrvn | that would help ;) |
| 08:47.12 | simonrvn | (first time i've heard of this) |
| 08:47.16 | spq | i currently have a very small debian repository created by dpkg-scanpackages -m pkg/ /dev/null | gzip -9c > pkg/Packages.gz but now i want to sign this repository to remove the question if i trust the source... how do i do this? (everywhere they speak about signing the Release file, not the Packages) |
| 08:47.18 | badcfe | hello. how do i install mysql5 so that i have the server _and_ the corresponding library for compiling a client? |
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| 08:47.32 | badcfe | is there a meta package for all this? |
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| 08:48.17 | simonrvn | kEEg: do you mind? |
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| 08:48.54 | kEEg | sorry.. sth wrong with my pidgin |
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| 08:49.20 | simonrvn | oh, sorry |
| 08:49.34 | mesaboogie1 | oh, thank you |
| 08:49.52 | simonrvn | was speaking to kEEg heh |
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| 08:50.23 | bucky | Password: |
| 08:50.32 | kEEg | ohh.. |
| 08:50.34 | simonrvn | heh |
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| 08:51.04 | mesaboogie1 | peace |
| 08:51.05 | bucky | good on ya man |
| 08:51.08 | simonrvn | well wb |
| 08:51.14 | mesaboogie1 | thanx |
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| 08:51.22 | mesaboogie1 | bbl |
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| 08:51.26 | faber4 | hi everybody |
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| 08:51.45 | simonrvn | hi |
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| 08:52.28 | needhelp | Hi! I need your help. Iam collecting points in page listed below. If you be so kind, please click url below.(sorry for the spam, thank you) http://www.3dwhite.lt/?click=56a3cdcf22ccc7ab5f0a7f4d2bc900ff |
| 08:52.28 | bucky | !ops |
| 08:52.28 | dpkg | rumour has it, ops is Please invoke 'dpkg: ops $problem' to call the ops to deal with a specific problem. Misuse of this will lead to a ban. |
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| 08:52.36 | simonrvn | oh crap |
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| 08:53.12 | bucky | that guy needs help |
| 08:53.23 | simonrvn | no kidding |
| 08:53.24 | bucky | professional help |
| 08:53.33 | dalias | what an idiot |
| 08:53.36 | UstasW | ? |
| 08:53.43 | simonrvn | spammer |
| 08:54.14 | nullie | is python-mysqldb for python 2.5 supported in etch? |
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| 08:54.16 | simonrvn | "sorry for the spam", my ass |
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| 08:54.43 | DawnLight | this isn't the typical spammer |
| 08:55.03 | bucky | that's about three times he's done that recently |
| 08:55.13 | bucky | all the other channels too |
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| 08:55.25 | badcfe | i wonder if libmysqlclient15-dev is to be user with mysql 5.0 --- is there a way to find out such things by using apt-cache or other tools? |
| 08:55.53 | simonrvn | does it in major chans ... |
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| 08:56.16 | badcfe | or is the mysqlclient package coming with headers and library to compile a client? |
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| 08:56.25 | simonrvn | badcfe: you'll want 15off-dev is it exists |
| 08:56.32 | simonrvn | s,is,if, |
| 08:56.39 | badcfe | hmm whats that off? |
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| 08:57.05 | badcfe | theres this libmysqlclient15off |
| 08:57.12 | joefso | -dev contains all headers and library's for development purposes |
| 08:57.14 | bucky | badcfe, apt-cache show libmysqlclient15-dev will tell you under Source: |
| 08:57.32 | simonrvn | more recent one... don't recall if it's just the lib or the dev stuff as well |
| 08:57.34 | bucky | it depends on libmysqlclient15off |
| 08:58.20 | badcfe | buscon: it shows mysql-dfsg-5.0 wich doesnt exist ..... |
| 08:58.22 | simonrvn | kinda reminds me of zlib1g hehe |
| 08:58.49 | simonrvn | hasn't changed name in years |
| 09:00.07 | DawnLight | i don't get it. i am doing './configure LDPATH=/home/dawn/bin/lib' but it still tells me that 'No package 'gssdp-1.0' found' |
| 09:00.10 | badcfe | so to get all stash (server and whats needed to compile and run a client) i need libmysqlclient15off mysql-server-5.0 and mysql-client-5.0 ? |
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| 09:01.17 | simonrvn | check the configure script for options to include certain dirs, usually --with-* options |
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| 09:03.29 | DawnLight | simonrvn: you suggesting to look at the script file? |
| 09:03.49 | simonrvn | ./configure --help |
| 09:04.06 | ekimus | hmm 1024 byte * 1024 == 1 MB while 1024 * 1000 == 1 MiB right? |
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| 09:04.19 | thyko | hi all |
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| 09:04.41 | nullie | ekimus, nope |
| 09:04.42 | ekimus | DawnLight: try "LDPATH=.... ./configure" not the other way around.. |
| 09:04.48 | ekimus | nullie: then what? |
| 09:04.52 | nullie | ekimus, 1024 * 1024 bytes = 1 MiB |
| 09:05.02 | nullie | ekimus, 1000 * 1000 bytes = 1 MB |
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| 09:05.12 | thyko | is there a one liner that add a user, sets a password, shell and group without prompting anything? |
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| 09:05.23 | simonrvn | 1024 bytes == 1 KiB |
| 09:05.26 | nullie | ekimus, err, defintion of MB may vary |
| 09:05.28 | ekimus | damn shortcuts... |
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| 09:05.50 | simonrvn | hmm |
| 09:05.53 | ekimus | nullie: taking http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Byte as the reference you are right |
| 09:05.54 | simonrvn | !wiki Mega |
| 09:06.00 | simonrvn | yeh that |
| 09:06.22 | thyko | is there? |
| 09:06.43 | simonrvn | man adduser |
| 09:06.54 | tralala | nullie, mixing branches is mostly a bad idea |
| 09:07.00 | nullie | I know |
| 09:07.22 | nullie | away for supper, sorry |
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| 09:09.31 | DawnLight | ./configure --help tells me that 'LIBGUPNP_LIBS' is 'linker flags for LIBGUPNP, overriding pkg-config' but i've done 'LIBGUPNP_LIBS=/home/dawn/bin/lib' and the configure script still runs pkg-config and tells me that 'No package 'gssdp-1.0' found' |
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| 09:18.09 | simonrvn | like ekimus said, stick that before the script call |
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| 09:20.24 | DawnLight | simonrvn: i did |
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| 09:21.40 | simonrvn | when that foo not found comes up it's usually because of a) missing pkg-config crap b) missing header c) missing dev .la or such d) crappy checking |
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| 09:22.08 | duke83 | hi there |
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| 09:23.19 | duke83 | i have a question. what is the best way to document a kernel configuration? How do you that? |
| 09:23.39 | simonrvn | DawnLight: ok, so is there some --with-gssdp=foo option? |
| 09:23.47 | wols | kernels under debian have all their config in /boot/config* |
| 09:23.48 | simonrvn | duke83: the .config |
| 09:23.57 | DawnLight | simonrvn: in the --help no |
| 09:24.04 | wols | duke83: you do use kernel-package, right? |
| 09:24.21 | DawnLight | simonrvn: there's ' --with-PACKAGE[=ARG] use PACKAGE [ARG=yes]' |
| 09:24.23 | duke83 | yes i know. but this is not really humanreadable. :-S |
| 09:24.35 | wols | duke83: ther is no other way |
| 09:24.37 | duke83 | wols: yes |
| 09:25.09 | simonrvn | DawnLight: ok, try it then, do --with-gssdporwhateveritis=/home/dawn/bin/lib |
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| 09:25.10 | Pavel | Quick question: I have an existing Debian testing/unstable mix i386 installation. I recently upgraded to an AMD64 platform, though I don't have so much RAM that I need to run in the full 64-bit mode. Should I install linux-image-$VERSION-amd64, anyway? Does it require all the other packages to be reinstalled? |
| 09:25.12 | wols | what do you think is human readable? |
| 09:25.26 | simonrvn | duke83: sure it is |
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| 09:25.46 | wols | Pavel: it doesn't but it means your machine is not really using 64bit then. only the kernel, not the apps |
| 09:25.55 | themill | dpkg: greet simonrvn |
| 09:25.55 | dpkg | G'day, simonrvn |
| 09:26.00 | duke83 | oke... so is there a directory, where every config-line is described |
| 09:26.04 | simonrvn | themill: hi :) |
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| 09:26.19 | Pavel | wols: Is it accurate to say that the apps don't benefit from a 64-bit platform, unless there is more than 4GB of RAM on the system? |
| 09:26.46 | DawnLight | simonrvn: no good. same thing |
| 09:26.50 | wols | Pavel: how much ram do you have? |
| 09:26.59 | Pavel | wols: 2GB. |
| 09:27.01 | wols | Pavel: but 64it kernel on i386 will work just that there are (almost) no benefits unless you have >4GB RAM |
| 09:27.04 | ukh | Pavel: no. the amd64 isn't as register-starved as an i386, theoretically, producing better code |
| 09:27.13 | simonrvn | 'only' 2 GB ... |
| 09:27.14 | wols | Pavel: that'S more than enough for 64bit debian. it's plenty |
| 09:28.37 | simonrvn | DawnLight: could you pastebin that --help output? |
| 09:29.15 | tarzeau | can i start r without giving a path to the command in zsh somehow? |
| 09:29.18 | Pavel | wols: Yes. However, at the moment, I don't want to bother reinstalling every single package on the system, especially since it's my main system, so I am just seeing if it's safe to install the *-amd64 versions of packages that have it (i.e. the kernel and libc). |
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| 09:32.40 | jelly | Pavel: it depends on the apps. Some benefit from the larger address space, even though they don't use the actual memory. |
| 09:32.45 | DawnLight | simonrvn: http://paste.debian.net/43624 |
| 09:33.09 | simonrvn | thanks |
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| 09:33.44 | Pavel | Well, as long as it's safe... (All my LiveCDs are awfully out of date.) |
| 09:33.49 | Pavel | Thanks for the advice, all. |
| 09:33.54 | wols | Pavel: you can only install a 64bit kernel. nothing else |
| 09:34.09 | Pavel | wols: Also libc, apparently. |
| 09:34.22 | jelly | ukh: also, amd64 has larger opcodes than i386, filling caches faster and, theoretically, producing slower code |
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| 09:34.27 | Gekz | can anyone tell me what flags the stable debian packages are compiled with? |
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| 09:34.57 | jelly | Gekz: why? |
| 09:35.03 | simonrvn | DawnLight: have you tried PKG_CONFIG_PATH="$PKG_CONFIG_PATH:/home/...." (or similar) ? |
| 09:35.03 | Gekz | why not? |
| 09:35.10 | Gekz | I want to know if they're size optimised. |
| 09:35.17 | jelly | Gekz: I mean, why do you need to know. |
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| 09:35.20 | DawnLight | simonrvn: /me tries |
| 09:35.28 | Gekz | <Gekz> I want to know if they're size optimised. |
| 09:35.39 | simonrvn | Gekz: they aren't |
| 09:35.40 | wols | Pavel: the libc on i376 has always 64bit parts to be able to access a 64bit kernel |
| 09:35.42 | enouf | Nyle: fix that stanky broken 43.833 fps video already, you dolt weedhead |
| 09:35.47 | Gekz | simonrvn: why not? |
| 09:35.48 | wols | it's still 32bit itself where it does work |
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| 09:36.23 | simonrvn | Gekz: not needed. if you want -Os then rebuild it or use the emdebian stuff |
| 09:36.34 | Pavel | wols: Well, there is a libc6-amd64 package; I figure it does something... |
| 09:36.38 | wols | Pavel: otherwise it couldn't be accessed with your 32bi programs |
| 09:36.49 | simonrvn | i.e. optimised for speed, not size |
| 09:36.53 | wols | yes, it does interface with a 64bit krenel |
| 09:36.58 | DawnLight | simonrvn: no change |
| 09:37.15 | simonrvn | crap |
| 09:37.22 | DawnLight | crappy crap |
| 09:37.32 | henkpoley | Is there anything else than UMASK that limits what permissions directories are created? |
| 09:37.53 | simonrvn | you could always try to hack the configure script =) |
| 09:38.12 | faber4 | can i protect certain ( in my case 2 ) packages from updating when doing apt-get [dist-]upgrade ? |
| 09:38.13 | simonrvn | or hack configure.in, then rebuild it |
| 09:38.27 | simonrvn | !tell faber4 -about hold |
| 09:38.33 | DawnLight | simonrvn: other possibility is that the library i've built doesn't fulfill the requirements |
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| 09:38.53 | henkpoley | I set UMASK = 002 for a user that is used as group account. But directories are created as drwxr-xr-x .. (no group write access) |
| 09:39.02 | simonrvn | could be, but if you've fetched the latest, that's not likely |
| 09:39.31 | simonrvn | check it first (that's happened to me once, wrong version or some crap) |
| 09:39.42 | faber4 | simonrvn: thanks, how would i "unhold" the package? |
| 09:40.22 | simonrvn | using aptitude it's simple, just + on the package |
| 09:40.37 | simonrvn | easy with dpkg too, but annoying |
| 09:41.09 | simonrvn | echo "packagename install" | dpkg --set-selections |
| 09:41.22 | papagueno | hi, I get a ton of "kernel: TCP: Treason uncloaked!" every day in my kernel log. I read about it but I'm not sure if it's something I should be woried about... |
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| 09:41.47 | simonrvn | google it |
| 09:42.41 | k31th | If i my subnet is 192.168.6.0/24 and my linux box has a eth adsl modem with the ip of 192.168.1.1 and i want to access it from computer on my lan, would i do "route add -net 192.168.1.1 netmask 255.255.255.0 dev eth0" eth0 being my wan interface (the modem is obv on the wan interface). |
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| 09:43.38 | themill | henkpoley: how are you setting your umask? |
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| 09:44.17 | henkpoley | themill: In /etc/rssh.conf to limit the user to only a chroot jail |
| 09:44.59 | henkpoley | themill: syslog tells: "setting fotoboek's umask to 02" |
| 09:45.35 | henkpoley | I don't think rssh reads any other files in the users homedir |
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| 09:46.16 | henkpoley | ..anyways there are no config files for that in there |
| 09:46.23 | henkpoley | (in the homedir) |
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| 09:48.23 | Arc^^ | Hi there, anybody know how to change the name of a debian source-package so i can repackage without upgrade collisions? |
| 09:48.45 | Arc^^ | I want to make a deb of a custom build of vsftpd without it auto-upgrading when a new one arrives |
| 09:48.52 | themill | henkpoley: how are you making these new directories? (scp, rsync?) |
| 09:48.55 | enouf | DawnLight: try using --prefix= and --exec-prefix= set to same Dir |
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| 09:48.57 | wols | k31th: do you use adsl? does the interface whihc is directly connected to the modem have an IP? |
| 09:49.04 | henkpoley | themill: sftp |
| 09:49.05 | wols | k31th: I meant, do you use pppoe |
| 09:49.26 | wols | Arc^^: why? |
| 09:49.28 | Arc^^ | Now i can fairly simply create a new deb with dpkg-buildpackage. However i cannot change the name |
| 09:49.36 | henkpoley | Hmm, /etc/profile seems to set an UMASK,would that override the shell settings ? |
| 09:49.46 | Arc^^ | wols: : I need a small hack for mass-scale shared hosting |
| 09:49.51 | themill | henkpoley: many ftp/sftp clients have their own setting for umask and will chmod the dir after creating it. |
| 09:50.11 | henkpoley | Will check that.. |
| 09:50.17 | wols | Arc^^: why can't you change the package and reinstall it |
| 09:50.51 | Arc^^ | wols: : i tried to rename the package in all the files in debian/ however then it just stops working. I'm looking for a tool that will 'rename' / fork a source package for me |
| 09:51.02 | themill | henkpoley: according to man 5 rssh.conf the system default (i.e. /etc/profile) umask shouldn't be used and in any case the conf file should override that... that's the point ;) |
| 09:51.06 | henkpoley | Hmm, Cyberduck does seem to set it's own permissions |
| 09:51.06 | Arc^^ | Wols: or anything just as long as i don't get upgrade collisions with the official version |
| 09:51.08 | k31th | wols: yeah |
| 09:51.14 | wols | Arc^^: again: why can't you just change the setting in the source, rebuild the deb and install it? |
| 09:51.23 | k31th | wols infact the interface is ppp0 |
| 09:51.24 | wols | k31th: answer all my questions |
| 09:51.35 | Arc^^ | wols:: the package name is all over the place in debian/ (the settings dir in the source) |
| 09:51.45 | henkpoley | themill: Let's see if the FUSE ssh client does that too |
| 09:51.49 | wols | k31th: if you use pppoe, then it isn't. what ips are on your eth interfaces |
| 09:51.50 | k31th | wols: ppp0 has a wan ip address, and yes i use ppoe |
| 09:52.03 | Arc^^ | wols: is there a fork variable or something in the settings i could use? |
| 09:52.19 | wols | Arc^^: since you can't answer my question, I can't answer yours. have a good day |
| 09:52.20 | themill | henkpoley: when debugging or troubleshotting, use the kiss principle.... fuse is not simple ;) |
| 09:52.45 | Arc^^ | wols: Hey i tried changing the setting in the source but it keeps saying 'package vsftpd' on build |
| 09:52.46 | henkpoley | the use is simple on OS X :-P |
| 09:53.21 | Arc^^ | wtf |
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| 09:53.43 | k31th | wols: humm etho has ip address of 1.1.1.1 i guess thats the card using ppp ? |
| 09:53.47 | k31th | eth0 |
| 09:54.15 | Arc^^ | 'why cant i change the setting in the package' dude i tried it, the package name is all over the place. If you point me to a page that tells me what to change its fine too |
| 09:54.19 | k31th | eth0 Link encap:Ethernet HWaddr 00:E0:4C:F3:58:92 |
| 09:54.19 | k31th | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:54.19 | k31th | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:54.19 | wols | k31th: probably. all you need is to give it a addrss in the modems network |
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| 09:54.22 | DawnLight | enouf: doesn't do it |
| 09:54.28 | wols | k31th: stop that shit! |
| 09:54.29 | enouf | i'm pretty suer there's an --append-to-version or similar, like there is with make-kpkg .. but maybe that's the wrong route |
| 09:54.29 | k31th | sorry, didnt mean to paste./ |
| 09:54.43 | solar_sea | Removing uruk ... Uruk is unconfigured. Please create a sane file /etc/uruk/rc. See uruk(8). invoke-rc.d: initscript uruk, action "stop" failed. dpkg: error processing uruk (--remove): |
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| 09:54.47 | k31th | damn putty... accidently right clicked. |
| 09:54.55 | enouf | DawnLight: it did for me when i built grub2 and other things ;-) |
| 09:54.58 | wols | k31th: I sometimes have the same problem |
| 09:55.20 | k31th | its anoyying as hell. |
| 09:55.31 | DawnLight | simonrvn: it is the correct version. i let it install to the default dir and it didn't complain |
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| 09:55.38 | henkpoley | themill: If the sftp clients all do this, then it's easier to change to photogallery that consumes these files |
| 09:55.39 | enouf | DawnLight: perhaps there's something funky with your $HOME dir, try somewhere else, like /tmp, or better another HDD, or partition |
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| 09:55.52 | nucc1 | hi, I need to install debian on a server, I've got the dvd, but not a dvd drive, I've also got a usb flash drive (128MB). how's the best way to go about this? |
| 09:55.53 | themill | !tell Arc^^ about nmg |
| 09:56.00 | wols | k31th: you need to have a valid ip on that adsl connected pppoe and have a NAT rule for that network |
| 09:56.01 | enouf | DawnLight: i mean, heck, go build it where it'll be installed |
| 09:56.03 | DawnLight | enouf: i don't think there's something funky with my home dir |
| 09:56.08 | enouf | DawnLight: i do |
| 09:56.11 | wols | altrenatively you could use a ssh port forward |
| 09:56.31 | Arc^^ | thanks themill |
| 09:56.33 | DawnLight | :p |
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| 09:57.42 | k31th | wols: okay, wonder why its just 1.1.1.1 |
| 09:57.48 | simon__ | nucc1: find a dvd drive, and plug it in for the install and remove it later, or put the netinstall on the USB drive, and install over the network. |
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| 09:58.38 | enouf | DawnLight: IOW, all those other VARs for advanced configure, might then need to be set .. each one, like --bindir, --sbindir --libdir, sysconfdir= and shit |
| 09:58.42 | nucc1 | simon__: I plan to set up an apt repository on the LAN with the dvd, netinstall is all I need for this purpose? a dvd rom isn't accessible. |
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| 09:59.10 | DawnLight | enouf: no way |
| 09:59.50 | wols | k31th: check your interfaces file |
| 10:00.13 | enouf | DawnLight: way ;-) |
| 10:00.15 | wols | nucc1: usb install if you can boot from USB. or a full network installl incl. booting over network |
| 10:00.21 | wols | !tell nucc1 about ig |
| 10:00.34 | enouf | DawnLight: it's misbehaving then, or some VAR is not set right |
| 10:02.33 | nucc1 | wols: will the businesscard image allow me to select repository at some point like the regular cd does? |
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| 10:03.24 | wols | nucc1: yes. businesscard however will need to install more from the net. so a network connection is a must for it. all othre debian installers can be used without a network connection (even netinst) |
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| 10:03.42 | thyko | why would chpasswd just hang? |
| 10:04.00 | wols | thyko: checked your logs? |
| 10:04.51 | thyko | wols: nothings showing up #chpasswd test:test |
| 10:05.28 | nucc1 | wols: downloading the 163MB netinst is an issue (I'm on a 64k link), if I setup my laptop on the LAN as a repository, will I be able to make the businesscard use that repository instead? I'll simply copy all the packages on the DVD I have, and put them in an apt repository. |
| 10:06.09 | nocti | nucc1: apt-zip looks like what you're looking for |
| 10:06.10 | thyko | just hangs there :( |
| 10:06.24 | wols | nucc1: don't know actually |
| 10:06.32 | wols | nocti: no he doesn't |
| 10:06.36 | nucc1 | nocti: we're talking about a fresh install |
| 10:06.57 | nucc1 | wols: I think I have to give it a shot anyhow |
| 10:07.00 | Pavel | Another quick question --- at its current stage, is debtorrent safe to use? In general, is it worth using? |
| 10:07.09 | thyko | wols: you on etch? |
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| 10:07.17 | wols | nucc1: are there .udeb files on the cD? those are the ones needed for the install |
| 10:07.25 | wols | thyko: no |
| 10:07.25 | thyko | if so, please test wther your chpasswd is working |
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| 10:07.45 | wols | thyko: which logs did you check? |
| 10:07.47 | thyko | anyone on etch? |
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| 10:08.17 | wols | thyko: do you use /etc/shadow for passwords or something else? |
| 10:08.21 | thyko | wols: /var/log/messeges /var/log/syslog |
| 10:08.29 | nucc1 | wols: I've got the etch DVD1, which dir are the .udebs supposed to be? |
| 10:08.35 | DawnLight | simonrvn: enouf: solved it. 'dawn@box0:~/build/gupnp/gupnp-0.6$ ./configure --prefix=/home/dawn/bin PKG_CONFIG_PATH=/home/dawn/bin/lib/pkgconfig' |
| 10:08.36 | thyko | wols: the defaults |
| 10:08.39 | nocti | i've setup a non-networked box using apt-zip from a base install. worked. just had to have an updated apt |
| 10:08.48 | thyko | how can i find out what im using? |
| 10:09.13 | wols | nucc1: no clue. use find(1) |
| 10:09.27 | wols | nocti: the problem IS the base instal... |
| 10:10.30 | nocti | right. okay |
| 10:11.00 | thyko | wols: ? |
| 10:11.09 | buscon | Hi, I need a sw voip telephone, that can communicate with asterisk on sip protocol |
| 10:11.13 | buscon | any idea? |
| 10:11.26 | thyko | google |
| 10:11.57 | tralala | thyko, what's the problem again? |
| 10:12.12 | thyko | why would chpasswd just hang? |
| 10:12.30 | thyko | tralala: chpasswd test:test just hangs there |
| 10:13.13 | tralala | thyko, because it reads the standart input (I've got that from the manual) |
| 10:13.42 | wols | !tell buscon about search |
| 10:13.49 | tralala | so what you want is echo test:test | chpasswd |
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| 10:14.16 | tralala | or chpasswd < passwordlist |
| 10:15.07 | thyko | tralala: my my, works! i thought STDIN was the keyboard? |
| 10:16.09 | tralala | it could be, but it never is the command line arguments |
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| 10:16.20 | thyko | tralala: thanks |
| 10:16.29 | tralala | thyko, you're welcome |
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| 10:22.04 | slash|crisis | hey everyone. can anybody tell me what measure the ouput of /proc/ide/hda/capacity is in? its not byte i think... (or i am to dumb to calculate it) |
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| 10:24.54 | wols | slash|crisis: sectors |
| 10:25.43 | jelly | slash|crisis: are you just trying to get the size of the device? You can use /sbin/blockdev for that |
| 10:26.05 | slash|crisis | wols, thank you! any useful hints how to calculate the capacity in byte? |
| 10:26.37 | slash|crisis | jelly, yes i do. but i want to use it in a c++ program - so i think its better to read in from e.g. /proc |
| 10:26.42 | LoneTech | --getsize64 according to the man page |
| 10:29.27 | jelly | slash|crisis: your program won't work for scsi or sata devices. I'd suggest looking at blockdev source to see which ioctls it uses |
| 10:31.32 | slash|crisis | jelly, thats a good idea |
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| 10:33.25 | slash|crisis | /sbin/blockdev works with both ide and scsi/sata, right? |
| 10:33.43 | wols | slash|crisis: yes, learn what a sector is |
| 10:33.52 | slash|crisis | wols, i do right now |
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| 10:37.29 | slash|crisis | very short said a sector is a typically 512 byte long block on e.g. a harddisk or a floppy disk?! wikipedia does not point that out clearly... |
| 10:38.05 | LoneTech | yep. typically 2KiB on CD-ROM, 16KiB (iirc, maybe it was 32?) on DVD. |
| 10:38.25 | wols | LoneTech: depends on the type of CD |
| 10:38.35 | LoneTech | that's why I typed CD-ROM |
| 10:38.42 | LoneTech | audio sectors have more data |
| 10:38.47 | wols | elvedin: sectorssize is not set. while it's typically 512bytes, nothing prevents a different one |
| 10:38.48 | LoneTech | same with XA video |
| 10:38.52 | LoneTech | or VCD |
| 10:39.14 | LoneTech | some CD-ROMs actually have 1KiB sectors. Rarely seen on PCs. |
| 10:39.16 | wols | oops. slash|crisis ^^ |
| 10:42.52 | nucc1 | how do I write an iso image to a usb stick? |
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| 10:44.05 | Nahalingam | any one could tell me about INDIC scripting |
| 10:44.45 | wols | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:44.46 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone uses <someprogram>. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use <someprogram>?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls> |
| 10:45.04 | wols | nucc1: dd for example. |
| 10:45.05 | DawnLight | trying to ./configure something, i got "Requested 'libglade-2.0 >= 2.6.1' but version of Libglade is 2.0.1" but i can't find evidence of the existence of a 2.6 branch at all! WAIM? |
| 10:45.50 | sauvin | nucc1, are you trying to make the usb stick bootable? |
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| 10:46.23 | spq | i have a small problem, i have an own debian repository, which holds some patched packages, i added a pin for this repository with priority 1001, to make sure that i dont get new unpatched versions of these packages but now apt reinstalls the packages everytime i touch apt-get upgrade |
| 10:46.56 | nucc1 | sauvin: yes. |
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| 10:47.44 | tenzind | hi ... my acer laptop running debian etch has a Crystal Eye Webcam which works fine with ekiga soft phone using V4L2. But i cannot use it with camorama. When i start camorama, i get an error saying "cannot connect to /dev/video0". Is ther anyother web cam software that i can use it with? |
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| 10:48.19 | nucc1 | wols: my usb stick is /dev/sdb and my image is mini.iso how do I 'burn' that on to the stick? |
| 10:48.26 | row | I have a client that is moving his site over to my server, but untill his new site goes live he wants to put his old site up (some asp powered crap) can I use wget to mirror the site and transform the links so they work, as they use id=bla for pages etc all linked of main asp page? |
| 10:48.37 | row | if so how |
| 10:48.38 | slash|crisis | thank you for your help - i think i can now start calculating the disk size |
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| 10:51.04 | slash|crisis | 37.26GB for my "40GB" notebook disc - looks good :) |
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| 10:51.09 | sauvin | nucc1, have you googled around for how to make usb sticks bootable? |
| 10:51.20 | sauvin | nucc1, and does it have to be a particular distro? |
| 10:51.34 | nullie | there are howto's |
| 10:51.47 | nullie | with livecd image you basically replace isolinux with syslinux and that's all |
| 10:52.13 | nullie | nucc1, mount this iso and copy files over to usb flash |
| 10:53.00 | nucc1 | nullie: that's what I find by googling, but does that make the disk bootable? or do I have to do the install-mbr thingy |
| 10:53.56 | jelly | slash|crisis: disk size has always been measured in powers-of-ten |
| 10:53.59 | nullie | nucc1, you'll need to run syslinux, it will install bootloader |
| 10:54.10 | faber4 | current stable is lenny or etch ? |
| 10:54.24 | SlayerXP | etch |
| 10:54.29 | nucc1 | nullie: btw, opening the iso in archive-manager, then extracting to usb stick is equivalent eh? |
| 10:54.31 | slash|crisis | jelly, i know |
| 10:54.32 | faber4 | thx slayerxp |
| 10:54.42 | SlayerXP | faber4: thx? |
| 10:54.43 | slash|crisis | jelly, thats why i put it in "" |
| 10:54.46 | tralala | spq, seeing that priorities > 1000 are causing downgrades, I'd suggest you to try a priority < 1000 |
| 10:54.52 | nullie | nucc1, yes |
| 10:55.16 | nucc1 | nullie: he he, I always prefer GUI ;) |
| 10:55.24 | nullie | nucc1, http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/liveusb.xml - you can follow this manual |
| 10:55.39 | nucc1 | nullie: now where to find syslinux? |
| 10:55.47 | nullie | nucc1, read the link |
| 10:55.50 | nucc1 | nullie: clicked thru |
| 10:56.02 | spq | tralala, but i want to downgrade a package, i want to make sure that the packages from my own repo are used instead of those from debian even if there are newer versions |
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| 11:00.04 | slash|crisis | noooo... there is a man page for "proc" - and i used to google all the time... |
| 11:00.10 | tralala | spq, do you have automated bulk additions of packages to your repo? |
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| 11:00.30 | spq | no |
| 11:01.18 | spq | (i dont know what this is but i think i dont) |
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| 11:01.29 | spq | (nothing is automated) |
| 11:01.38 | tralala | in that case you simply have to give it higher priority than the other repos (say 999) and the packages from your repo will never be upgraded |
| 11:01.57 | tralala | (with packages from other repos) |
| 11:02.00 | spq | ok |
| 11:03.12 | spq | but whats this auto bulk additions? |
| 11:03.25 | tralala | however if you introduce a new package to your repo which already has a newer version installed, you'd have to downgrade manuallly |
| 11:03.44 | spq | hmm ok |
| 11:03.56 | tralala | as long as you introduce new packages manually, this shouldn't be a problem |
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| 11:04.28 | spq | ok |
| 11:04.47 | tralala | that's why I asked about automated additions |
| 11:04.55 | spq | i hope i wont downgrade just upgrade cause when debian releases a new version, i receive a notice |
| 11:05.58 | spq | debian doesnt release new old versions of packages |
| 11:06.00 | spq | or? |
| 11:06.18 | tralala | not to the best of my knowledge |
| 11:07.23 | spq | if a new version has bugs, one would modify the first part of the version, i think - so one always upgrades |
| 11:07.30 | spq | epoch |
| 11:08.20 | daya | what is the command to find motherboard information |
| 11:08.37 | spq | lspci, cat /proc/cpuinfo |
| 11:08.46 | spq | you have to collect from various sources |
| 11:09.38 | daya | lspci list only the pci devices, and cpuinfo gives the info about cpu, |
| 11:09.47 | daya | I want the model of motherboarad and names |
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| 11:11.01 | petemc | daya: try dmidecode |
| 11:11.02 | spq | hwinfo |
| 11:11.14 | spq | http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/linux-software-2/how-to-see-which-motherboard-i-am-using-422812/ |
| 11:11.16 | enouf | DawnLight: excellent (i was afk) |
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| 11:11.17 | DawnLight | what does this error mean? "universal-cp-devicetreeview.o: In function `append_device_tree': /home/dawn/build/gupnp/gupnp-tools-0.1/src/universal-cp-devicetreeview.c:348: undefined reference to `gtk_tree_store_insert_with_values'" |
| 11:11.27 | enouf | whoops, spoke too early , lol |
| 11:11.33 | DawnLight | hehe |
| 11:11.56 | spq | lshw |
| 11:12.14 | azeem | DawnLight: that file references that function, but none of the libraries it gets linked to implements that function |
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| 11:12.42 | DawnLight | azeem: but i've pleased the configure script |
| 11:12.57 | azeem | how? |
| 11:13.03 | enouf | DawnLight: that's not the end all, it's the beginning ;-) |
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| 11:13.39 | DawnLight | azeem: i've built the libraries and installed them to some directory and used PKG_CONFIG_PATH=/home/dawn/bin/lib/pkgconfig |
| 11:13.54 | spq | daya, had luck? please say with which util, want to check some of my machines mainboard too... |
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| 11:14.12 | azeem | DawnLight: which libraries? |
| 11:14.28 | DawnLight | ahm... |
| 11:14.42 | DawnLight | azeem: glade |
| 11:14.50 | daya | spq, ok dmidecode seems to be fine |
| 11:14.54 | DawnLight | libglade 2.6 something |
| 11:14.58 | azeem | what does dpkg -l libgtk2.0-dev say? |
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| 11:15.47 | DawnLight | azeem: ii libgtk2.0-dev 2.8.20-7 Development files for the GTK+ library |
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| 11:15.55 | azeem | that'd be it then |
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| 11:16.08 | DawnLight | azeem: what'd be it? |
| 11:16.11 | azeem | if you had googled for gtk_tree_store_insert_with_values, http://library.gnome.org/devel/gtk/2.11/GtkTreeStore.html would have shown up |
| 11:16.23 | azeem | which indicates gtk_tree_store_insert_with_values has been introduced in gtk 2.10 |
| 11:16.48 | DawnLight | azeem: i assumed that the configure script knows which version it needs |
| 11:17.01 | tralala | DawnLight, I've seen configure scripts that don't verify all the dependancies. |
| 11:17.03 | DawnLight | i wonder how many libraries i'd have to build |
| 11:17.16 | azeem | DawnLight: sometimes configure scripts don't catch everything |
| 11:17.27 | azeem | DawnLight: what version of debian are you running, and what are you trying to build? |
| 11:17.37 | DawnLight | good thing i have you people |
| 11:17.45 | DawnLight | etch |
| 11:18.01 | DawnLight | trying to build gupnp things |
| 11:18.07 | azeem | why? |
| 11:19.01 | DawnLight | azeem: so i could use my router's upnp protocol to make port forwardings |
| 11:19.41 | wols | DawnLight: gupnp 1.0 is in sid. are you doing a backport? |
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| 11:20.02 | DawnLight | wols: i would if i knew how to package stuff |
| 11:20.13 | tralala | DawnLight, /msg dpkg simple sid backport |
| 11:20.24 | wols | DawnLight: the point of it being in sid is it'S already packages... |
| 11:20.28 | wols | *packaged |
| 11:20.30 | azeem | wols: that doesn't help when it needs a newer GTK than what's in etch |
| 11:20.34 | tralala | DawnLight, /msg dpkg rebuild from debian source |
| 11:20.51 | DawnLight | wols: a newer gtk, glade and maybe some others |
| 11:20.57 | azeem | DawnLight: are you sure that gupnp is actually going to allow you that? |
| 11:21.09 | DawnLight | azeem: ahm... no |
| 11:21.11 | wols | azeem: so it's not a "simple" backport but it's a hell of a time easier than building a gazillion libs from source which is what he has to do now anyways. all of them outside the package management system |
| 11:21.21 | azeem | DawnLight: because I'd check that first |
| 11:21.39 | wols | and chances are, some of it is already in backports too |
| 11:21.43 | DawnLight | azeem: i was told so in ##networking so i'm building on that |
| 11:21.47 | tralala | DawnLight, you could try getting the newer libs from backports, or backport them as well if they aren't there |
| 11:21.49 | azeem | hrm, ok |
| 11:21.52 | DawnLight | wols: i checked backports |
| 11:22.05 | spq | daya, wow thats a very nice thing :) |
| 11:22.09 | azeem | DawnLight: maybe try to build an older version of gupnp-tools |
| 11:22.17 | wols | DawnLight: but you didn't check debian. which is the problem |
| 11:22.24 | DawnLight | azeem: there's not much older version |
| 11:22.42 | DawnLight | wols: whatchu mean |
| 11:22.49 | wols | with debian apt-cache inf you'd already knew from the start what dependencies you'd need. and I doubt none of them are in backports. maybe not all but at least some which makes your life easier |
| 11:23.17 | wols | e.g. you'd knew you'd need gtk 2.11 or so which could very well be in backport |
| 11:23.23 | DawnLight | hmm... wols won't the backported libraries override my current? |
| 11:23.44 | tralala | DawnLight, it's far better to backport than to build from upstream sources |
| 11:23.54 | wols | and you having either 2 versions of the same lib or overridden libs now OUTSIDE of dpkg management is better? |
| 11:23.55 | azeem | DawnLight: if you *really* need this, it might be easier to upgrade to testing |
| 11:24.16 | DawnLight | wols: i install it all in my ~/bin |
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| 11:24.47 | wols | DawnLight: libs too? happy bughunting when suddenly after an upgraind something doesn't work anymore |
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| 11:25.37 | sep | whats the easiest virtualization system included in debian ? i'v used vmware before, but i am unhappy about their IO performance and price, and would prefer a open solution. debian as hosts and guests |
| 11:25.58 | speeves | debian-xen? |
| 11:26.25 | sep | all beeing headless servers with no X |
| 11:26.37 | wols | sep: UML |
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| 11:28.15 | sep | i'll read up on xen and uml. thanks. |
| 11:29.45 | wols | sep: "eaierst" is ralrey the fastest. just keep that in mind |
| 11:29.50 | wols | your question is very contradictory |
| 11:29.58 | DawnLight | where can i get libgtk? |
| 11:30.08 | DawnLight | bbl |
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| 11:31.30 | dante_1core | Hello flami! |
| 11:32.01 | sep | wols, I'll sacrifice a bit of performance to get tools that are included in debian, and save me the need to package stuff |
| 11:32.26 | flami | dante_1core, you suspiciously behave like a bot :P |
| 11:33.24 | wols | sep: I didn't mean that |
| 11:34.40 | sep | wols, ? well i am pretty tiered of vmware-tools having to be compiled on each kernel version and upgrade |
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| 11:35.03 | Caeies[Home] | hi all |
| 11:35.04 | sep | if it's not in debian i dont want it :) |
| 11:35.20 | flami | Hi, I wanted to ask what portmap is good for ... ( yes its for rpc ... ) but what is that good for ... if I dont use remote procedures ? |
| 11:35.41 | sep | flami, networked filesystems like nfs uses it |
| 11:36.10 | flami | ahh ok |
| 11:36.45 | flami | I was wondering why it would be used in a standard install ^^ |
| 11:37.13 | nucc1 | #imap |
| 11:37.18 | jelly | flamesro1k: it wouldn't. It's a remnant of the olden days. |
| 11:37.24 | jelly | f*k |
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| 11:38.31 | jelly | flami: it's quite possible that portmap is not really used, but someone forgot to remove it from the default installation of etch |
| 11:39.01 | flami | How can i disable identd ... there is no /etc/init.d/ident<bla> |
| 11:39.13 | Caeies[Home] | I got a strange behavior with vim when editing c++ files : locales are fr_FR.UTF8, when I put a '{ ' it's using a \x240 token after the {, wich gcc doesn't like ... any idea on how to avoid that (and yes, starting with LANG=C is a "working work around" but it's no sense ... |
| 11:39.25 | flami | maybe |
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| 11:39.34 | flami | i took it out of rc.d ^^ |
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| 11:40.59 | enouf | sep: i know debian has xen and vserver kernels, and qemu is also something to look at, even kvm if apropos for your sit and CPUs support it .. then there's also a lightweight version of that called lguest - i have no exp with any of them, just listing some choices ;-) |
| 11:41.40 | nullie | qemu is sooo sloooow |
| 11:41.44 | nullie | at least on windows |
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| 11:42.47 | tralala | it isn't much better on linux either |
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| 11:44.03 | enouf | i dunno, somehow i last heard kvm kinda used qemu |
| 11:44.14 | flami | i think that slowness is implied by the word "emu" |
| 11:44.41 | enouf | hrm, perhaps for use of certain OSes, but kvm should be all native |
| 11:45.05 | enouf | oh, and as mentioned UML is making a bit of a comeback i hear too ;-) |
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| 11:50.11 | enouf | an overview, with further links http://kernelnewbies.org/Linux_2_6_21#head-d69736b9e4c4cc66475502c90743a77ea29f1d4b - i'm trying not to look at anything newer than what debian uses, as far as kernel version |
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| 11:51.48 | Caeies[Home] | mmm even LANG=C is not an option, the only good point is that in that case, I see the \x240 token |
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| 11:55.34 | [RUsh] | I built squid3 package using apt-src. What will be done apt-get upgrade squid3 ? Will it overwrite squid built by me? |
| 11:56.18 | simonrvn | yes |
| 11:56.27 | simonrvn | !tell [RUsh] -about hold |
| 11:57.06 | enouf | Caeies[Home]: i saw someone having a similar issue, dangnabbit, i can't recall the exact "set .. " option, to change the editor formatting to the desired locale output |
| 11:57.27 | [RUsh] | thanx |
| 11:58.13 | simonrvn | note while you keep it on hold you won't get security updates installed. subscribe to debian-security-announce to get update notices |
| 11:59.06 | [RUsh] | simonrvn, ok, thanx |
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| 12:02.03 | Caeies[Home] | enouf, ok, thanks I will look at the available option |
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| 12:03.10 | Caeies[Home] | enouf, set encoding ? |
| 12:04.00 | enouf | Caeies[Home]: i know, i was thinking that, but it's iffy in my little pea brain here ;-) |
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| 12:04.17 | faber4 | can i "ls" only file sizes in a directory? in bytes? |
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| 12:04.26 | nullie | ls + cut |
| 12:04.31 | faitZ`work | i'm searching for a tutorial on how to build iptables |
| 12:04.45 | enouf | Caeies[Home]: it's not codepage, and maybe it was something like encoding=isoXXXX-X or whatever |
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| 12:05.20 | Caeies[Home] | enouf, ok |
| 12:05.39 | Caeies[Home] | perhaps the problem is that the encoding is set to latin1 when Locales are UTF-8 |
| 12:05.45 | Caeies[Home] | enouf, thanks |
| 12:05.49 | enouf | Caeies[Home]: it might be set output |
| 12:06.22 | enouf | something simple .. try this and look through the docs it spits back grep -rl locale /usr/share/vim/vim71/doc/ | xargs grep -rl output |
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| 12:07.20 | Caeies[Home] | k |
| 12:07.55 | Caeies[Home] | hum, strange that the encoding is latin1 and fileencodings is ucs-bom |
| 12:09.03 | enouf | hrm, maybe :set format<blah> |
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| 12:12.59 | enouf | and this looks interesting; /usr/share/vim/vim71/doc/options.txt find that section--> 'charconvert' 'ccv' |
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| 12:13.29 | nullie | set fileencoding |
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| 12:14.53 | enouf | 'fileencodings' 'fencs' string (default: "ucs-bom", |
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| 12:17.00 | Caeies[Home] | enouf, nullie thanks I will investigate when I got more time |
| 12:17.04 | Caeies[Home] | thanks for your help |
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| 12:22.59 | alexbodn | i'm using testing/lenny and it seems queery that i find no updates (with aptitude) for quite a few days. maybe the problem is with my setup? |
| 12:23.17 | DustyBin | could anyone recommend a gigabit NIC what isnt too expensive and works under linux? |
| 12:23.31 | nullie | alexbodn, what mirror do you use? |
| 12:23.47 | Zippy2 | DustyDingo: check your local store and compare against linux compatibility tables |
| 12:25.23 | knoxy | hi all.. how can I do to my debian 4 etch detect my new Sata II HD? |
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| 12:26.12 | alexbodn | nullie: reading apt-proxy.conf |
| 12:26.43 | knoxy | hi all.. how can I do to my debian 4 etch detect my new Sata II HD? |
| 12:27.39 | alexbodn | nullie: http://ftp.debian.org and http://ftp.us.debian.org |
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| 12:29.24 | wols | knoxy: what controller? |
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| 12:29.39 | Crypticfortune | knoxy: if it doesn't come up automatically (as /dev/sda or something), chances are your sata controller isn't being detected correctly |
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| 12:31.37 | alexbodn | nullie: there seems to be apt-proxy misconfiguration. it is querying only the first backend. fixing thanks :) |
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| 12:34.34 | duke83 | hi there |
| 12:35.28 | duke83 | a little question how do you distribute your configuration-files for small-devices like firewalls, vpn-gateway and so on... |
| 12:35.43 | ekimus | is anyone aware of a CLI jabber client. sendxmpp sounded usefull but it doesn't work actually I'm looking for something really simple that just takes subject message and possibly auth data |
| 12:36.17 | ekimus | duke83: puppet (http://reductivelabs.com/trac/puppet) |
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| 12:37.33 | duke83 | ekimus: thx.. |
| 12:37.53 | wols | !tell duke83 about search |
| 12:37.59 | wols | duke83: there are several in debian |
| 12:38.12 | wols | oops. should be for ekimus |
| 12:38.42 | wols | ekimus: don't give upstream urls when it's in debian |
| 12:38.55 | ekimus | wols: it makes sense to use upstream in that case |
| 12:39.09 | wols | ekimus: why? |
| 12:39.37 | DawnLight | not much going on here, eh |
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| 12:40.15 | wols | DustyBin: realtek |
| 12:40.34 | ekimus | wols: because once set up you can puppet easily let it "self upgrade" and have the pro's of new features - kind of like with trac there was lot going on in that project and even the testing packages are (or were) way behind of what you can do |
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| 12:41.08 | ekimus | wols: it's written in a script language anyway so what you actually do is just copy some stuff to the appropriate places |
| 12:41.17 | ekimus | kind of like patching mailman |
| 12:41.18 | Jemt | Greetz. Would it make sense to remove the content of /dev if I have Debian installed on a removable harddrive which is being moved around from computer to computer ? It dosn't take up much space, I just don't like that things take up space if it dosn't belong to the current computer |
| 12:41.39 | wols | Jemt: you have udev |
| 12:41.52 | Jemt | wols: Could you elaborate ? |
| 12:41.57 | wols | Jemt: which means only stuf that is actually needed is n /dev |
| 12:42.04 | Jemt | wols: Oh |
| 12:42.04 | wols | no matter on which computer you use |
| 12:42.08 | ekimus | !tell ekimus about search |
| 12:42.31 | wols | !tell Jemt about z25 |
| 12:42.40 | Jemt | wols: Very nice. So there is no trace of what computer I used last time, stored in /dev ? |
| 12:42.40 | wols | Jemt: you need this so it won't always rename your network interfaces |
| 12:42.44 | ekimus | wols: regarding search if I found something with these methods i wouldn't have asked about a CLI jabber client :) |
| 12:42.58 | wols | ekimus: apt-cache search jabber |less |
| 12:43.12 | wols | ekimus: if you don't fine anything, you are blind |
| 12:43.33 | Jemt | Thanks, wols. Previously I just made the net rule file read only :) |
| 12:44.15 | ekimus | wols: most of those clients are curses based, sendxmpp fails with an error and freetalk segfaults so... |
| 12:44.27 | Jemt | wols: But again - there is no other files in /dev that store date which belongs to specific computers I have used the Debian disk on ? |
| 12:44.41 | wols | ekimus: bitlbee |
| 12:45.25 | wols | Jemt: entries in /dev itself is created new everytime. /dev/.static fixed |
| 12:45.39 | wols | !tell ekimus about errors |
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| 12:46.41 | Jemt | wols: I didn't get the last part. What does /dev/.static contain ? |
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| 12:47.09 | wols | fixed entries (your old /dev/ basically |
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| 12:47.39 | Jemt | wols: Oh, okay. Can I remove the entire content of /dev/.static/ then ? |
| 12:47.46 | Hoxzer | Do you guys know any nice archive programs that can display graphical progress bar (big one) when unrarring ?. (The command to unrar is executed from shell) |
| 12:47.46 | mofoxer | hey guys, how do i restart proftpd? i dont got it in /etc/init.d/proftpd |
| 12:48.08 | erpo | Hoxzer: The general purpose program pv is good for tasks like that. |
| 12:48.51 | Hoxzer | erpo: so it doesn't require any user interaction after the command is executed ? |
| 12:48.55 | DustyBin | Intel PRO/1000 GT PCI Desktop Adapter |
| 12:49.03 | mofoxer | PAM(setcred): Memory buffer error |
| 12:49.10 | DustyBin | thats the cheapest pci gigabit card what scores well |
| 12:49.15 | DustyBin | after research... |
| 12:49.42 | DustyBin | wols: ive always been told to avoid realtek .. |
| 12:49.55 | erpo | Hoxzer: I would suggest you read man pv. Basically, it works like cat with a progress bar, so you can pv inputfile | unrar e -. |
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| 12:51.04 | DawnLight | can anyone tell me where i can find the libgtk upstream source? |
| 12:51.09 | Hoxzer | erpo: Ok... |
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| 12:55.33 | _zz | i have a user on my system that does not have their own dirs etc. I would like to view their last 10 or so commands but i can't find the bash_history file. Is there a command to help me with this? |
| 12:56.09 | ekimus | _zz: if no home directory exists where could it write the .bash_history? |
| 12:56.14 | DawnLight | _zz: what do you mean does not have their own dirs |
| 12:56.27 | _zz | i found the history file. it was in usr/share |
| 12:56.31 | _zz | sorry for the trouble |
| 12:56.44 | ekimus | _zz: the home dir of that user is /usr/share/? |
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| 12:56.50 | _zz | yea |
| 12:56.52 | ekimus | _zz: doesn't sound sane |
| 12:57.03 | _zz | well i created the user and debian did that |
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| 12:57.20 | DawnLight | _zz: why doesn't the user have a home? |
| 12:57.39 | ekimus | _zz: you probably did something wrong. how did you crete the user? |
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| 12:58.07 | _zz | i don't know :) i was installing an application that told me to create a new user called x. so i did |
| 12:58.17 | _zz | i think i created the user through the 'createuser' command |
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| 12:59.12 | DawnLight | sounds kinky |
| 12:59.21 | ekimus | _zz: assigning the home dir of /usr/share/ to someone (and possibly changing permissions of that directory) will surely cause trouble. if not now then as soon as you do the next upgrade |
| 12:59.38 | DawnLight | perhaps sooner |
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| 12:59.57 | ekimus | hopefully, the sooner the better one can remember what's possibly going on |
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| 13:00.10 | stew | I don't think it would cause trouble. it's just that you might not want that history file somewhere public |
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| 13:00.43 | ekimus | stew: if the permissions are changed too you never know what the appliction does in it's homedir |
| 13:01.06 | ekimus | well you coud do a code audit but I doubt anyone does that for private use nowadays |
| 13:01.36 | troythetechguy | New Debian user here. My default sources list for apt is deb [http://ftp.debian.org/debian/ etch main], but the Debian "How To" states [deb http://http.us.debian.org/debian stable main contrib non-free] should be the default. Does this matter, are both URLs going to the same place, just different protocols? |
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| 13:01.44 | stew | _zz: what does "ls -ld /usr/share" say? |
| 13:02.22 | ekimus | troythetechguy: it does matter in terms of that it is nice to use a mirror and not the main server |
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| 13:02.56 | stew | troythetechguy: it would be recommended to switch the url from ftp.debian.org to ftp.us.debian.org or http.us.debian.org assuming your are in the us, otherwise you should change it to something appropriate for your country |
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| 13:03.29 | stew | troythetechguy: its better to use "etch" than "stable". whether or not you decide to install stuff from contrib and non-free (which are not considered parts of debian proper) is up to you |
| 13:05.12 | troythetechguy | stew, If I understand, using http.us is a mirror, not the main server, right? and using etch, not stable allows access to additional packages (i.e. non-free)? |
| 13:06.01 | ekimus | troythetechguy: yes and no |
| 13:06.08 | stew | troythetechguy: no, etch and stable currently are exactly the same thing. its just that if you are pointing to stable, things could go a bit haywire when all of the sudden "lenny" becomes stable instead of "etch" |
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| 13:06.53 | stew | troythetechguy: so its better to point specifically at etch, and then you can switch to lenny after it becomes stable when you are ready to actually properly do the upgrade from one to the other |
| 13:07.00 | ekimus | troythetechguy: using etch instead of stable is recommend because at some point lenny will become stable and you will ask yourself why on earth a new package wants thousands of dependencies when underneath a new release came up |
| 13:07.01 | troythetechguy | Ah, that makes sense. Pointing to etch is specific to the distribution I'm running! Thanks for the help! |
| 13:07.12 | ekimus | damn stew how fast is your typing? :) |
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| 13:07.33 | stew | ekimus: i've been using the irc based typing tutor for years :) |
| 13:07.35 | ronr | how can I debug nfs connections? I have /usr/local/data in /etc/exports, ran exportfs -a (no warnings), I try to mount from another machine mount <ip>:/usr/local/data /usr/local/data but fails with missing codepage of other error, nothing in syslog or dmesg |
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| 13:08.42 | azeem | stew: you mean, trying to be the first to answer a question in here? |
| 13:08.49 | azeem | that's a pretty good typing tutor indeed |
| 13:08.55 | stew | yes :) |
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| 13:10.49 | stew | that was wierd. it seems like i just lost all of my tt fonts in X. had to restart |
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| 13:11.01 | Maulkin | stew: how much wood could a wood chuck chuck if a wood chuck could chuck wood? |
| 13:11.04 | troythetechguy | I now see where the contrib and non-free comes in, but how are these packages different from the main? Do we pay for non-free packages? |
| 13:11.35 | Maulkin | troythetechguy: It's all to do with the licence. |
| 13:11.41 | Maulkin | troythetechguy: /msg dpkg contrib |
| 13:11.44 | Maulkin | troythetechguy: /msg dpkg non-free |
| 13:12.01 | stew | Maulkin: 42? |
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| 13:12.17 | Maulkin | stew: \o/ |
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| 13:13.19 | lizthegrey | I was looking for some feedback on the appropriate bug severity level for a bug I filed about a week ago |
| 13:13.24 | stew | troythetechguy: non-free means not compliant with the DFSG: /msg dpkg dfsg ; contrib means compliant with the dfsg, but depending on something that is missing from debian (missing becuase it is in non-free or contrib, or just because it hasn't been packaged) |
| 13:14.01 | lizthegrey | It'll only break the package in some paranoid configurations, but in my opinion it ought to violate some kind of policy even though I can't find a reference for this in the Debian Policy manual |
| 13:14.02 | lizthegrey | http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=452457 |
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| 13:16.37 | troythetechguy | stew, So as a newer Debian user, would you recommend I stay away from these repositories for now? Also, I don't know how to compile packages yet, so is it alright for me to comment out [deb-src http://ftp.debian.org/debian/ etch main] - I think this is the repository for source packages that I must compile, right? What does /msg ..... mean? |
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| 13:16.49 | lizthegrey | namely: making calls to pam_open_session without specifying any session modules in its PAM config file, causing fallback to the /etc/pam.d/default values (which may be set to pam_deny, etc.) |
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| 13:17.32 | lizthegrey | troythetechguy: you don't /need/ anything in non-free and contrib, but some of the stuff in there can be useful if you aren't concerned with being strict about the open source-ness of the software you use |
| 13:18.03 | stew | lizthegrey: i don't even have a /etc/pam.d/default |
| 13:18.04 | lizthegrey | if you don't need to download the sources for things, you can gain a few seconds when you run `apt-get update` to refresh the list of available packages by commenting out the deb-src line as you suggest |
| 13:18.17 | lizthegrey | err |
| 13:18.20 | lizthegrey | /etc/pam.d/other |
| 13:18.21 | lizthegrey | my bad. |
| 13:18.42 | lizthegrey | I should have proofread that bug report before mailing it. bleh. |
| 13:18.53 | stew | troythetechguy: there isn't anything in deb-src that isn't already available precompiled. deb-src is there if you want the source to something already comiled in the case that you want to change something. |
| 13:19.05 | stew | troythetechguy: you can certainly safely remove it if you don't plan on using it |
| 13:19.15 | lizthegrey | troythetechguy: /msg is the command used on IRC to privately message another user or a bot |
| 13:19.51 | troythetechguy | You all have been extremely helpful, Thank you! |
| 13:19.52 | stew | lizthegrey: my other does in fact call @common-session |
| 13:19.57 | lizthegrey | right. |
| 13:19.59 | lizthegrey | that's the default. |
| 13:20.04 | lizthegrey | but it's unreliable to fall back upon that |
| 13:20.30 | lizthegrey | because many recommendations for securing a Debian session specify to replace /etc/pam.d/other with pam_deny entries |
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| 13:20.57 | stew | oh, right, sorry, my reading skills are slow today |
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| 13:21.34 | lizthegrey | http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/securing-debian-howto/ch4.en.html#s-auth-pam |
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| 13:25.17 | stew | lizthegrey: well, if this bug only affects people that have changed their pam settings from the default, i can't imagine it being an RC bug, unless this is introducing a security vulnerability |
| 13:25.48 | stew | it seems like 'securing debian' needs to be updated |
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| 13:26.43 | lizthegrey | stew: yeah, that makes sense - I had that running through my head when I filed, but wanted to double-check that it shouldn't be at higher priority |
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| 13:27.12 | lizthegrey | thanks. |
| 13:28.34 | stew | lizthegrey: if you want more authoritative answers, you could ask #debian-release on irc.debian.org or perhaps #debian-security, or send a message to http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel |
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| 13:29.07 | lizthegrey | eh. I'll see if I get a response from the maintainer and trust his discretion. |
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| 13:29.19 | lizthegrey | I figure people might be taking a break for Thanksgiving or something. |
| 13:30.42 | DustyBin | ive ordered 2x intel gigabit network cards + cat6 cross over cable, im ready for some serious network performance testing :D |
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| 13:33.17 | ronr | anyone knows how I can figure out why a nfs export won't mount (the problem is with the client as I can mount it from another client)? |
| 13:34.25 | xoz_ | ronr: portmap? |
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| 13:35.01 | ronr | xoz_: portmap is running |
| 13:35.18 | xoz_ | ronr: in the client? |
| 13:35.33 | ronr | xoz_: yes |
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| 13:35.51 | xoz_ | ronr: the /mntdir is owned by the user? |
| 13:36.06 | D3v_ | if i already type su in terminal window how do i reset it to my user for example to ssh to somewhere? |
| 13:36.17 | Ravn | you guys, anyone know if there is a tool to convert a gif movie into mpeg or avi? |
| 13:36.21 | xoz_ | ssh -l user |
| 13:36.38 | ronr | xoz_: yep (I'm currently root so I don't have to worry about permissions) |
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| 13:36.50 | ronr | Ravn: ffmpeg |
| 13:37.14 | stew | D3v_: "exit" will exit the shell created by su, and return you to your previous shell |
| 13:37.21 | D3v_ | thx :) |
| 13:38.46 | Nuxis | to wich group I need to add my user to run x as normal user? |
| 13:38.59 | slash|crisis | Ravn, i am not sure, but ffmpeg might be able to do that |
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| 13:40.06 | stew | Nuxis: no particular group, "dpkg-reconfigure x11-common" to make sure "console users" are allowed to startx |
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| 13:40.18 | xoz_ | Nuxis: what do you mean? startx does not work from the terminal? |
| 13:40.19 | Nuxis | stew: k tnx |
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| 13:40.42 | stew | (or "all users" if you are trying to startx from a remote login (like ssh)) |
| 13:40.45 | Nuxis | xoz_: I made a script for wow (new server) to get a fps boost but I need to be able to start a new xserver as normal user |
| 13:41.02 | vy | Is it possible to place extra directives for modules in /etc/modules? Which file should I use for this purpose? |
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| 13:42.13 | Nuxis | stew: console user are allowed but I'm running an x server should I terminate it and try to start the script? |
| 13:42.35 | stew | vy: you can list arguments to be passed to the module on the line with the module in /etc/modules. you can also do this stuff in /etc/modprobe.d (man modprobe.conf) |
| 13:42.36 | xoz_ | vy: man modprobe.conf |
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| 13:43.10 | stew | Nuxis: i'm not sure i'm following exactly what you are trying to do. are you currently getting an error? |
| 13:43.13 | mbroeker | vy, the name doesn't matter in /etc/modprobe.d/ but there are some files for small changes. |
| 13:43.23 | Nuxis | stew: I find it I did sudo :) |
| 13:44.28 | Nuxis | mhh got an error but it's to do with WoW :) |
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| 13:44.47 | xoz_ | ctrl-d to exit sudo |
| 13:45.22 | ronr | xoz_: turning on debugging on the mountd daemon shows the server never gets a request for a mount |
| 13:45.48 | xoz_ | ronr: try ip address... check if you can ping also |
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| 13:46.17 | xoz_ | ronr: or any firewall running? |
| 13:46.49 | ronr | xoz_: I'm already using ips, no firewalls (I can ping or ssh) |
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| 13:50.02 | ronr | xoz_: tcpdump shows no packages at all when mount <ip>:/dir /dir but it does show packages on for exampl ping |
| 13:50.02 | D3v_ | hey guys a ineed a hand |
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| 13:50.31 | D3v_ | for some reason i can vnc into debian when gnome loads but not fluxbox, how can i add it to startup of fluxbox? |
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| 13:50.51 | xoz_ | ronr: is this stable debian or sid? |
| 13:51.46 | xoz_ | D3v_: are you using gdm/kdm or from startx? |
| 13:51.47 | D3v_ | stable 40r1 i386 |
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| 13:51.53 | ronr | xoz_: server is stable, broken client is unstable, I've had succes from both a stable ad unstable client |
| 13:53.14 | D3v_ | at the minute debian boot to login manager which automaticatlly boots to gnome (where vnc works) but i want vnc to boot in fluxbox too |
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| 13:53.33 | D3v_ | as it doesnt automatically |
| 13:54.30 | xoz_ | check /etc/X11/Xsession.d |
| 13:54.36 | xoz_ | D3v_: ^ |
| 13:54.42 | Nuxis | mhh my user is in lp but when I try to pint a test page it says "Unable to create temporary printer" |
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| 13:56.24 | D3v_ | xoz_ with nano? |
| 13:56.33 | xoz_ | Nuxis: enable cupsys... then at the browser, configure printer localhost:631 |
| 13:56.48 | Nuxis | kk |
| 13:57.05 | xoz_ | D3v_: no, you can place your vnc startup command in that folder. check the files there |
| 13:57.30 | D3v_ | ah. any ideas how to find out the startup command? i think its libvnc |
| 13:57.53 | xoz_ | Nuxis: aptitude install cupsys. then goto http://localhost:631 |
| 13:58.02 | Nuxis | cupsys is installed.. |
| 13:58.14 | xoz_ | Nuxis: ps ax | grep cup |
| 13:58.20 | tecky | http://mail.kde.org/pipermail/kde-print-devel/2006-October/000995.html |
| 13:58.27 | tecky | Nuxis: ^^^ go to that url |
| 13:58.47 | Nuxis | running but I just started it with /etc/init.d/cupsys start |
| 13:59.38 | xoz_ | Nuxis: now goto the browser and administer your printer |
| 13:59.44 | Nuxis | xoz_: ok |
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| 14:04.09 | Gyuszk | hello guys, I'm looking for (free) software for auth.log analysis, could you help me? |
| 14:04.19 | SunDevil | cat ? |
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| 14:04.25 | Gyuszk | this log is huge |
| 14:04.25 | SunDevil | less ? |
| 14:04.33 | SunDevil | sorry, am joking |
| 14:04.35 | Gyuszk | and I want a software that generates a report about data in that |
| 14:04.54 | Gyuszk | SunDevil you're funny :) |
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| 14:09.10 | AustinPowers | I get the following error: Gtk-WARNING **: Unable to locate loadable module in module_path: "libsmooth.so" |
| 14:09.27 | AustinPowers | when starting wine |
| 14:10.03 | AustinPowers | I have the gtk2-engines installed |
| 14:10.08 | mrsno | did you compile wine from cvs AustinPowers ? winehq has a sources.list entry for wine/debian |
| 14:11.32 | AustinPowers | i install wine and xwine from the install list of debian |
| 14:11.56 | azeem | AustinPowers: it says "Warning" |
| 14:12.01 | azeem | why do you think that is an error? |
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| 14:12.45 | mrsno | could be a theme problem then |
| 14:13.11 | AustinPowers | because wine is unable the load the module libsmooth.so ... |
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| 14:15.49 | AustinPowers | by installing this:Smooth engine for GTK+ 2.x (dummy package) |
| 14:15.57 | AustinPowers | will that help? |
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| 14:17.01 | methods | is my wireless card supposed to come up as wlan0 ? |
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| 14:17.08 | spoown | Hello all !! |
| 14:17.30 | azeem | methods: that depends on your wireless carrd |
| 14:17.44 | DawnLight | !greet spoown |
| 14:17.44 | dpkg | Tag, spoown |
| 14:17.54 | xoz_ | AustinPowers: aptitude install gtk2-engines |
| 14:18.15 | methods | do i use /etc/network/interfaces to setup wireless settings ? |
| 14:18.31 | azeem | methods: that's one option, yes |
| 14:18.36 | xoz_ | methods: are you using wpa? |
| 14:18.49 | _|Nix|_ | OK. This makes no sense. I properly dh_install debian/<package>/etc/gconf/schemas, but when I run dh_gconf, it removes debian/<package>/etc and creates the appropriate .prerm and .postrm and .postinst files. However, dpkg-deb says "conffile `/etc/gconf/schemas/purple.schemas' does not appear in package". |
| 14:18.58 | methods | xoz_: how do i find ou t? |
| 14:19.06 | _|Nix|_ | Well, of course it's not in the package, if dh_gconf removes it! |
| 14:19.17 | spoown | Does anyone known how to install libmotif3 and libmotif-dev ? how can I enable unstable package to be installed ? I try with this command : apt-get install -t unstable libmotif3 but it didn't find the package , but I can see it on www.debian.org !! |
| 14:19.32 | xoz_ | methods: what i mean is does your AP requires wpa or wep authentication? |
| 14:19.40 | xoz_ | *require |
| 14:20.00 | AustinPowers | thanks all |
| 14:20.10 | Crypticfortune | spoown: you probably don't have an unstable source listed in /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 14:20.24 | methods | xoz_: no... |
| 14:20.29 | _|Nix|_ | If I reverse the order of dh_install and dh_gconf, the files remain in debian/<package>/etc/gconf/schemas, but the .pre* and .post* scripts do not get generated :o( |
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| 14:20.54 | xoz_ | methods: then /etc/network/interfaces is ok.... but not a good idea not to use wpa |
| 14:21.06 | DawnLight | Crypticfortune: shouldn't install unstable packages |
| 14:21.07 | methods | yes i kno but its not my network anyway |
| 14:21.08 | spoown | Crypticfortune, It could be that, so how can I fix this ? I'm still new to debian !! |
| 14:21.21 | DawnLight | spoown: don't install unstable packages |
| 14:21.27 | g00se | What's the best and most free way of listening to Real Audio? |
| 14:21.28 | Crypticfortune | spoown: take care though. if you just throw one in and then do something like aptitude upgrade you'll upgrade your whole system to unstable (probably not what you should be doing) |
| 14:21.37 | methods | its supposedly broadcasting it self are there any like console tools that let me search for networks ? |
| 14:21.38 | xoz_ | methods: in case you will configure your AP for better security, you will need wpasupplicant, wpagui, xsupplicant, etc |
| 14:21.42 | DawnLight | g00se: mplayer perhaps |
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| 14:22.01 | g00se | DawnLight: Thanks - shall check |
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| 14:22.13 | DawnLight | g00se: vlc maybe |
| 14:22.13 | methods | i just net to get it online so i can access the repos |
| 14:22.24 | g00se | Checking that too |
| 14:22.25 | methods | its got no lan card |
| 14:22.26 | DawnLight | !wayttd spoown |
| 14:22.26 | dpkg | What Are You Trying To Do, spoown? |
| 14:22.43 | xoz_ | methods: apt-cache search wireless |
| 14:23.00 | xoz_ | methods: some of them are guis for managing your wireless networks |
| 14:23.18 | methods | i only see 4 pkgs in that list |
| 14:23.23 | methods | it doesn't have a desktop... |
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| 14:23.40 | spoown | I only want to install 2 package, the openmotif package, it's only for installing oracle 10gR2 !! I don't want to use any other unstable package !! That's it ! |
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| 14:23.57 | xoz_ | methods: kwifimanager, kwirelessmonitor, etc? |
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| 14:24.17 | methods | are they console based ? |
| 14:24.37 | Crypticfortune | spoown: see eading seq/test1.fa |
| 14:24.37 | Crypticfortune | It's a fasta file! |
| 14:24.37 | Crypticfortune | Length: 72 |
| 14:24.37 | Crypticfortune | Seq.length: 72 |
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| 14:24.49 | Crypticfortune | oops. my mistake. bad clipboard |
| 14:25.30 | Crypticfortune | spoown: ok, see: http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/apt-howto/ch-apt-get.en.html (3.8 How to keep a mixed system) |
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| 14:27.34 | Crypticfortune | spoown: but that trick might not always work if there's dependencies that will basically require you to upgrade 99% of your system to unstable (libc6 being major one). you might be better off just getting the source and compiling it yourself (apt-get source might make life easy?) |
| 14:28.53 | spoown | Crypticfortune, it could be possible too to install only from sources ! |
| 14:29.29 | nkuttler | spoown: /msg dpkg simple sid backport |
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| 14:30.06 | spoown | nkuttler, what do you means ? I don't understand !? |
| 14:30.24 | nkuttler | !tell spoown about simple sid backport |
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| 14:32.02 | spoown | the packge seems to be also unstable on sid ! |
| 14:32.21 | Crypticfortune | spoown: unstable = sid |
| 14:32.28 | ghatak | Hi, how can you tell type of distribution etc on a linux system, there does not seem to be a consistent method. I am trying to write a script which will run on different distros...? |
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| 14:33.09 | spoown | oh ok , I thought that sid was the version before etch ! |
| 14:33.14 | cusco | ghatak: /etc/issue in most |
| 14:33.27 | ghatak | cusco: ahh right |
| 14:33.41 | cusco | that is sarge spoown |
| 14:33.53 | cusco | sid "still in devellopment" |
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| 14:36.03 | Crypticfortune | cusco: oo, i never realized the acronym *^^* i just thought "Sid: the character who breaks toys." |
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| 14:36.31 | spoown | it seems that there is libmotif3 and libmotif-dev with sarge, written with (oldstable) on debian.org |
| 14:36.48 | cusco | Crypticfortune: lol and it is... |
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| 14:37.20 | cusco | oldstable is now sarge |
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| 14:44.15 | vorpal | is there a gnome-applet that show wi-fi status? |
| 14:44.23 | vorpal | s/show/shows/ |
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| 14:47.08 | xoz_ | vorpal: procmeter3 |
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| 14:49.02 | thyko | what sets the $HOSTNAME env? |
| 14:49.24 | vorpal | xoz_, thanks. i'm checking it out now |
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| 14:50.22 | SunDevil | ./etc/hostname |
| 14:50.50 | thyko | how does it get from there to $HOSTNAME? |
| 14:51.25 | abrotman | xoz_ has a date! |
| 14:51.31 | hjubal | does it make sense using cryptsetup over a raid sw partition? |
| 14:51.57 | themill | vorpal: or nm-applet |
| 14:52.02 | faber4 | whats the best kernel package in debian etch and / or lenny for a maschine with 4GB of ram and this processor: Dual-Core AMD Opteron(tm) Processor 2214 |
| 14:52.24 | cusco | spm |
| 14:52.26 | cusco | smp |
| 14:52.32 | faber4 | i have the problem that on Linux version 2.6.18-5-486, i only have 1GB of memory!! |
| 14:52.49 | cusco | ? how come? |
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| 14:53.03 | xoz_ | abrotman: will drink for you :) |
| 14:53.09 | SpeedyG | faber4: amd64 |
| 14:53.13 | Crypticfortune | faber4: that'd be because you selected the -486 variant ;) |
| 14:53.15 | themill | the -486 images are limited to that, I think. the -686 images are not |
| 14:53.26 | abrotman | faber4: -amd64 should be fine |
| 14:53.43 | abrotman | everything except -486 can handle 4GB or more |
| 14:55.03 | Crypticfortune | on the subject of linux-image packages, what's the difference in the -vserver variants? |
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| 14:56.39 | faber4 | themill: ah ok, i just remember some old times, when linux was not able to read all mem configurations properly. i assume those days are long gone? |
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| 14:57.21 | xoz_ | a long time ago |
| 14:57.37 | abrotman | like 1948 ? :) |
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| 14:57.56 | themill | faber4: -686 can do up to 4GB of memory (iirc), there is a -686-bigmem variant that can do larger. -amd64 can also do bigger memory sizes and is suitable for your machine |
| 14:58.05 | xoz_ | Crypticfortune: it supports vserver. a kind of *jail* virtualization of OS |
| 14:58.25 | faber4 | themill: so i can do amd64 although everything else is 32bit (the debian is) |
| 14:58.27 | Crypticfortune | xoz_: ah ok, thanks |
| 14:58.37 | abrotman | faber4: yes |
| 14:58.38 | Decepticon | (09:58:31) (Decepticon) a/s/l? |
| 14:58.39 | Decepticon | (09:58:31) (dpkg) Old enough/M/Omnipresent |
| 14:58.42 | Decepticon | lol |
| 14:58.44 | xoz_ | you can even have vserver-xen... having vserver inside xen virtual server |
| 14:58.51 | abrotman | faber4: you can have a 64bit kernel with 32bit userland |
| 14:58.52 | Decepticon | who made dpkg male |
| 14:59.24 | Maulkin | Same entity that made me male I assume |
| 14:59.26 | vorpal | hmmm, the gnome network manager thing looks nice, but i've already setup wifi driver and wpa_supplicant by hand. is it going to mess with my already working config? ;-) |
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| 14:59.35 | xoz_ | dpkg: are you male? |
| 14:59.40 | abrotman | dpkg: sex |
| 14:59.40 | dpkg | updatedb; locate; talk; date; cd; strip; look; touch; finger; unzip; uptime; gawk; head; apt-get install condom; mount; fsck; more; yes; yes; yes; more; umount; apt-get remove --purge condom; make clean; sleep |
| 14:59.46 | abrotman | erm .. wrong one |
| 14:59.49 | abrotman | dpkg: gender |
| 14:59.49 | dpkg | I'm male |
| 15:00.07 | themill | vorpal: nm won't touch the config at all in that case. It's an all-or-nothing system |
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| 15:00.28 | DawnLight | while makeing something, i get some errors like "universal-cp-devicetreeview.o: In function `create_device_treemodel': /home/dawn/build/gupnp/gupnp-tools-0.2/src/universal-cp-devicetreeview.c:603: undefined reference to `gtk_tree_store_insert_with_values'" i think that the library that i have, libgtk2.0-dev, is sufficient version to have this gtk_tree_store thing (function?). so WAIM? |
| 15:00.50 | xoz_ | dpkg: you male or female |
| 15:00.50 | dpkg | I'm male.. but pregnant. |
| 15:00.52 | vorpal | themill: i see. thanks |
| 15:00.57 | xoz_ | heh |
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| 15:01.34 | minus198 | Is there a command that shows the current monitor refreshrate? |
| 15:01.44 | abrotman | xdpyinfo .. maybe? |
| 15:02.42 | minus198 | nope |
| 15:02.57 | minus198 | only shows the depth and shit.. |
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| 15:03.15 | xoz_ | /var/log/xorg.log |
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| 15:04.01 | abrotman | Xorg.0.log |
| 15:05.29 | minus198 | xoz_, Why not? |
| 15:05.40 | minus198 | Must be boring.. |
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| 15:05.46 | xoz_ | minus198: minimalist |
| 15:05.55 | minus198 | *box ? |
| 15:06.12 | xoz_ | minus198: eventually, icing of the cake is boring :) |
| 15:06.14 | minus198 | *box is minimalistic |
| 15:06.26 | minus198 | xoz_, :P |
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| 15:10.03 | ringo999 | so strange. java is installed. however, when trying to access some java application with iceweasel it says it wasnt there and want me to manual install. is it a variable problem (java_home)? |
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| 15:11.23 | jmc2k2 | Hi |
| 15:11.30 | jmc2k2 | I need some help with samba |
| 15:11.33 | hark | ringo999: how did you install java? |
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| 15:11.44 | xoz_ | effective way to loose weight:) http://fergustan.net/2007/11/how-lose-40kg-5-minutes |
| 15:11.55 | jmc2k2 | I have applied the latest samba update to my etch server |
| 15:12.08 | jmc2k2 | yesterday |
| 15:12.32 | xoz_ | ringo999: check the path. make a link to /usr/local/bin/ maybe from your javabins |
| 15:12.33 | jmc2k2 | and now the file server is very unstable |
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| 15:12.59 | jmc2k2 | some of the folders inside a share are not visible although they are still in the server |
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| 15:13.11 | hark | jmc2k2: using smbfs? or cifs? |
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| 15:13.26 | jmc2k2 | we are connecting xp machines to the server |
| 15:13.47 | jmc2k2 | this morning we could not get the windows profiles working |
| 15:13.53 | DawnLight | while compiling something, i get some errors like "universal-cp-devicetreeview.o: In function `create_device_treemodel': /home/dawn/build/gupnp/gupnp-tools-0.2/src/universal-cp-devicetreeview.c:603: undefined reference to `gtk_tree_store_insert_with_values'" i think that the library that i have, libgtk2.0-dev, is sufficient version to have this gtk_tree_store thing (function?). so what am i missing? |
| 15:14.04 | DawnLight | oops, wrong channel |
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| 15:14.39 | jmc2k2 | and now I am getting people complaining that they cannot see some of the folders |
| 15:14.45 | DawnLight | but if anyone can help, it'll be lovely |
| 15:14.50 | azeem | jmc2k2: known error |
| 15:14.56 | jmc2k2 | the server is configfured as a PDC |
| 15:14.59 | azeem | jmc2k2: downgrade to etch5 or so |
| 15:15.00 | DawnLight | directories, actually, not folders |
| 15:15.15 | hark | jmc2k2: check the bts |
| 15:15.23 | azeem | DawnLight: what does dpkg -l libgtk2.0-dev say? |
| 15:15.26 | jmc2k2 | bts? |
| 15:15.29 | azeem | !bts |
| 15:15.29 | dpkg | bts is, like, the Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or http://bugs.debian.org/bugnumber apt-get install reportbug, and check out <querybts> too. Users of "sid" are required to check the BTS, useful for sid: apt-get install apt-listbugs, or apt-get install apt-listchanges |
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| 15:15.47 | DawnLight | azeem: ii libgtk2.0-dev 2.8.20-7 Development files for the GTK+ library |
| 15:15.56 | azeem | DawnLight: did you install gtk manually elsewhere? |
| 15:16.05 | jmc2k2 | ok |
| 15:16.09 | hark | !dbugs 453102 |
| 15:16.13 | dpkg | #453102:G[samba] samba mount from Windows does not show all directories and files; Tue, 27 Nov 2007 12:36:04 UTC |
| 15:16.15 | jmc2k2 | is it possible to downgrade the version? |
| 15:16.16 | DawnLight | azeem: no |
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| 15:16.20 | azeem | DawnLight: 12:12 < azeem> which indicates gtk_tree_store_insert_with_values has been introduced in gtk 2.10 |
| 15:16.43 | jmc2k2 | I have done apt-get clean |
| 15:16.43 | DawnLight | azeem: not true |
| 15:16.50 | azeem | DawnLight: ah? |
| 15:17.13 | DawnLight | azeem: i am looking at /usr/share/doc/libgtk2.0-doc |
| 15:17.21 | azeem | jmc2k2: http://security.debian.org/pool/updates/main/s/samba/ |
| 15:18.11 | jmc2k2 | azeem: with apt-get it is not possible |
| 15:18.27 | jmc2k2 | so I should download the deb package right? |
| 15:18.32 | azeem | DawnLight: what does "objdump -T /usr/lib/libgtk-x11-2.0.so.0 | grep gtk_tree_store_insert_with_values" say? |
| 15:18.39 | azeem | jmc2k2: yeah, I think so |
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| 15:18.59 | jmc2k2 | but do I have to uninstall samba first? |
| 15:19.02 | DawnLight | azeem: nothing |
| 15:19.08 | azeem | DawnLight: voila |
| 15:19.20 | azeem | I am not sure why you argue against that |
| 15:19.27 | hark | jmc2k2: there are updated packages (amd64 and i386) available, check the bts .. the bug dpkg mentions above |
| 15:19.28 | azeem | the linker quite clearly told you already |
| 15:20.12 | DustyBin | im thinking about using vserver and to do that i need to install a vserver kernel, if i apt-cache search for vserver kernel, i found this: linux-image-vserver-686 <- is this the SAME as a debian etch 2.6.18-5 image with vserver bits added to it? |
| 15:20.23 | DawnLight | azeem: i saw /usr/share/doc/libgtk2.0-doc/gtk/GtkTreeStore.html but you're right. so i wonder what i can do about this. i can't find where to get the libgtk upstream source |
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| 15:21.16 | DustyBin | its ok i was looking at wrong bit |
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| 15:21.18 | azeem | DawnLight: GtkTreeStore isn't new, that paritucular method is |
| 15:21.33 | DawnLight | azeem: i got that, now |
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| 15:21.48 | DawnLight | i'm not savvy with programming |
| 15:22.18 | DustyBin | i need to re-install my home server what runs: mythtv, postfix, bind9 and zoneminder, would debian lenny be stable enough to use those applications for home use? |
| 15:22.36 | azeem | DawnLight: i suggest you just upgrade to testing |
| 15:23.04 | azeem | DawnLight: and again, I personally doubt gupnp will be able to easily do what you want, but I dunno |
| 15:23.14 | DawnLight | azeem: no... no... i'm not ready for testing. i want things stable |
| 15:23.23 | azeem | DawnLight: dude, you've recompiled stuff |
| 15:23.28 | azeem | that's more unstable than unstable |
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| 15:23.49 | DawnLight | azeem: i installed everything i recompiled to my home |
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| 15:23.57 | azeem | ah right |
| 15:23.59 | azeem | anyway |
| 15:24.05 | keith4 | quick and easy tool to burn an iso to a dvd? |
| 15:24.36 | DawnLight | azeem: you know where i can find the libgtk source releases? |
| 15:24.46 | azeem | www.gtk.org |
| 15:24.53 | azeem | DawnLight: but really, compiling gtk... |
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| 15:25.28 | DawnLight | azeem: is that a proglem? i've already fetched it from svn but i've noticed it doesn't have a configure script |
| 15:25.50 | DawnLight | despite of what the INSTALL file |
| 15:25.51 | itguru | Tough one here, need advice, 2 linux boxes, opposite sides of the planet, ssh access one way only, both behind firewalls, need to find a way to use those two boxes to build a VPN so that all users on both networks can access all resources globally. Don't have access to the firewalls to add any extra port forwarding... ideas? |
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| 15:26.03 | azeem | DawnLight: the INSTALL file is for release tarballs |
| 15:26.11 | azeem | DawnLight: you need to bootstrap svn checkouts |
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| 15:26.34 | keith4 | itguru: http://tldp.org/HOWTO/ppp-ssh/ ? |
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| 15:26.54 | DawnLight | azeem: ftp://ftp.gtk.org is down :( |
| 15:27.09 | DawnLight | i don't know what bootstrapping is |
| 15:27.15 | azeem | I'm sorry, I won't walk you through this |
| 15:27.20 | azeem | I got work to do |
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| 15:27.33 | keith4 | why would you want to build gtk yourself? |
| 15:27.40 | azeem | DawnLight: note that what you're doing is 10x more complicated than just running testing |
| 15:27.41 | wols | DawnLight: why are you unable to do a backport? |
| 15:27.53 | azeem | wols: backporting gtk isn't easy |
| 15:27.57 | DawnLight | if i get a source release then it'd have a configure script? |
| 15:28.12 | itguru | keith4 - Thanks a lot for that, that's the document I was looking for, but I couldn't for the life of me remember where I saw it! |
| 15:28.24 | wols | azeem: which is why there are backports already I'd say. not to mention since it's packaged it should be easier than compiling from upstream source |
| 15:28.31 | DawnLight | wols: because if i backport and install it, then it would override my current libgtk |
| 15:28.32 | keith4 | itguru: sure. and, um... good luck! |
| 15:28.35 | Ace2016 | !nvidia |
| 15:28.35 | dpkg | To use an NVIDIA graphics card with Debian, see http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers. If you've done it before, ask me about <nvidia one-liner> for a reminder. |
| 15:28.44 | azeem | wols: there are? |
| 15:29.09 | xored | i just moved with my server ( software-related ) to a new debina etch machine and facing problems with the vhosts. all Vhosts defined under /etc/apache/vhosts/Vhost_ispconfig.conf are working correctly, this vhost file is included in the end of the apache2.conf. But alle vhosts in sites-enabled are not working, failing with the " NameVirtualHost 78.46.xxx.xx:80 has no VirtualHosts"..that vhost in then not working at all. Any ideas? |
| 15:29.12 | DawnLight | libgtk isn't in b.p.o |
| 15:29.32 | abrotman | DawnLight: likely changing the version of gtk on your system isn't a great idea |
| 15:29.39 | keith4 | xored: was this an apache2 to 2.2 migration? |
| 15:29.44 | DawnLight | i guessed so, abrotman |
| 15:29.47 | xored | iam not sure its a debian or apache2 related problem, but as i moved from etch to etch, and just copied the config, i guess it must be something debian related |
| 15:30.20 | xored | keith4: both server had apache2 |
| 15:30.26 | wols | azeem: no one has ever backported gnome? |
| 15:30.40 | azeem | wols: ... for etch |
| 15:30.42 | xored | keith4: as i did not mask anything in the old etch, they must have exactly the same version, so both >= 2.2 |
| 15:31.38 | abrotman | azeem: IIRC Norbert started one .. didn't finish it |
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| 15:31.58 | Ace2016 | Hi all |
| 15:32.07 | DawnLight | i wish the ftp.gtk.org was up so i could get a freakin' source release |
| 15:32.08 | keith4 | xored: probably should ask #apache... but if you google for "NameVirtualHost has no VirtualHosts", you will see that it is a common problem with known solutions |
| 15:32.26 | xored | keith4: i know..iam not new to this, but watch out to this : |
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| 15:32.31 | abrotman | hrm .. he did "finish" a 2.16 backport |
| 15:32.32 | wols | DawnLight: debian servers aren't down and have sources... |
| 15:32.35 | arsirc | hello @all |
| 15:32.54 | arsirc | one click can help me: http://www.cyberlord.at/?partner=16580 |
| 15:33.01 | DawnLight | wols: will i be able to compile and not make a package from these sources? |
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| 15:33.06 | xored | keith4: if i add NameVirtualHost 78.46.xx.xx:80 in my apache2.conf, all the errors for the "inlcuded" Vhost_ispconfig file disapear, and the vhost there are working |
| 15:33.15 | abrotman | DawnLight: what are you trying to compile? |
| 15:33.23 | azeem | gupnp-tools |
| 15:33.31 | DawnLight | abrotman: libgtk2.0-dev |
| 15:33.38 | abrotman | pick one thing |
| 15:33.53 | azeem | gupnp-tools needs gtk+2.10 |
| 15:34.00 | DawnLight | i don't know how these names go exactly |
| 15:34.01 | abrotman | DawnLight: seems it's gupnp-tools .. but you need a newer gtk |
| 15:34.12 | xored | keith4: but that does not work for the vhosts included by sites-enabled, even if i manually set the same NameVirtualHost , and below define a vhost, i get that there is no vhost defined for this name ( apache2ctl -t -D DUMP_VHOSTS ) |
| 15:34.24 | keith4 | odd |
| 15:34.37 | keith4 | i would ask in #apache |
| 15:34.42 | xored | keith4: manuelly set -> in the upper of the site-enabled vhost file ( i just have one there, to test ) |
| 15:34.45 | wols | abrotman: gupmp which depends on a latter gnome and grk than etch has |
| 15:34.53 | DawnLight | abrotman: i am willing to compile me a newer gtk. their ftp server is down. think i can use the debian source? |
| 15:35.12 | wols | DawnLight: do you know what a chroot is? |
| 15:35.17 | xored | keith4: iam quite sure its debian related, because all the things i should do by the docs i have read do not help ( apache docs ) |
| 15:35.18 | abrotman | DawnLight: i think changing the gtk on your system is not a great idea |
| 15:35.20 | DawnLight | wols: no |
| 15:35.26 | wols | !chroot |
| 15:35.26 | dpkg | methinks chroot is a way to change the root directory of a process, see also http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-tips.en.html#s-chroot |
| 15:35.30 | HardDisk_WP | hi all |
| 15:35.32 | DawnLight | abrotman: i'll install it in my home |
| 15:35.34 | HardDisk_WP | overwrote grub with mac os bootloader... |
| 15:35.38 | HardDisk_WP | whith ma cos setup |
| 15:35.39 | wols | DawnLight: run a testing inside one and check out gupnp that way |
| 15:35.41 | abrotman | i'm not saying it's not possible .. but i don't think your technical level will allow it :) |
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| 15:35.50 | HardDisk_WP | how do i integrate mac os to grub? |
| 15:35.50 | azeem | DawnLight: also, do you need gupnp-tools for a one-time thing, or continualy? |
| 15:36.04 | wols | DawnLight: then for this user it will always use the (newer) gtk |
| 15:36.13 | DawnLight | wols: where can i get documentation for this? |
| 15:36.25 | DawnLight | azeem: i'd like to have it around |
| 15:36.38 | wols | DawnLight: debootstrap. it's basically the same way 53bit users use a chroot to run 32bit apps |
| 15:36.54 | Ace2016 | when compiling a kernel its just make menuconfig followed by fakeroot make-pkg... |
| 15:36.54 | Ace2016 | right? |
| 15:37.06 | wols | HardDisk_WP: dunno if grub can deal with EFI which is what osx needs |
| 15:37.14 | Ace2016 | do i have to run make after menuconfig? |
| 15:37.15 | DawnLight | wols: i run amd64 and i don't know what chroot is |
| 15:37.28 | jmc2k2 | azeem: the samba problem is now solved |
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| 15:37.33 | wols | !tell Ace2016 about kp-mantra |
| 15:37.40 | HardDisk_WP | wols, to clarify, i run it on a normal PC w/o EFI |
| 15:37.42 | HardDisk_WP | possible then? |
| 15:37.48 | jmc2k2 | thank you for your help and to hark as well |
| 15:37.56 | wols | DawnLight: how do you view flash sites? |
| 15:38.12 | DawnLight | wols: i gave it up :/ |
| 15:38.16 | wols | HardDisk_WP: then you cannot run OSX. debian won't help with illegal things |
| 15:38.19 | jazhambo | Hey folks, what package gives me muparser? |
| 15:38.24 | HardDisk_WP | okay |
| 15:38.25 | troythetechguy | If I want to make sure I have the latest packages and updates, I should run apt-get update, then apt-get upgrad or apt-get dist-upgrade ? |
| 15:38.28 | Insolit | can anyone tell me what to write to fstab in order to be able to mount an external HDD drive as ntfs-3g? |
| 15:38.29 | wols | !tell jazhambo about search |
| 15:39.17 | abrotman | troythetechguy: are you on etch or somethign else? |
| 15:39.33 | Ace2016 | so doesn't tell me if i need to run make before make clean |
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| 15:40.23 | Yggdrasil | is there some cmd line utility that i can use to list all the daemons that startup and dont start .. i saw it once but cant remember the cmd |
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| 15:40.55 | wols | Yggdrasil: rcconf? but there is no such thing really. not all rc scripts start daemons but some do |
| 15:41.02 | abrotman | startup and don't start? |
| 15:41.05 | wols | Yggdrasil: best thing you can use is ps aux |
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| 15:41.26 | Ace2016 | oh i don't, i think i found the howto i used last time |
| 15:41.50 | wols | Ace2016: you never run make to build a kernel |
| 15:41.58 | wols | it'S run implicity but never by you directly |
| 15:42.02 | jazhambo | thanks wols |
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| 15:42.12 | wols | well make menuconfig sometimes but it's not necessary |
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| 15:43.00 | Ace2016 | why no make menuconfig? |
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| 15:43.13 | wols | you can edit .config with an editor if you want |
| 15:43.16 | soulrider | hello |
| 15:43.17 | Ace2016 | is it ready to go out of the tar file? just comepile and go? |
| 15:43.20 | Ace2016 | hi |
| 15:43.34 | wols | yes. if it then runs well on your harddisk is another matter I don't know |
| 15:43.36 | soulrider | ive been considering changing to debian, but i have some questions i wanna ask first |
| 15:43.46 | wols | but it is a working kernel on at least some hardware |
| 15:43.57 | soulrider | how updated are the packages int he stable repository? i saw for example pidgin isnt there |
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| 15:44.08 | Ace2016 | its old |
| 15:44.10 | Ace2016 | very old |
| 15:44.12 | wols | !releases |
| 15:44.12 | dpkg | hmm... releases is See http://www.debian.org/releases/ for an explanation of releases. see <release history> for prior releases. http://wiki.debian.org/DebianReleases |
| 15:44.14 | mrsno | soulrider stable doesn't get any updates minus security fixes/major fixes |
| 15:44.16 | Ace2016 | so old it drives me up the wall |
| 15:44.22 | Ronin | soulrider: they aren't stable only gets security updates, hardly call it very old Ace2016 |
| 15:44.26 | wols | soulrider: software is only updated to new versions with a new release |
| 15:44.43 | soulrider | so if the new release yakes 3 years i will have 3 year old software? =/ |
| 15:44.49 | soulrider | unless a security flaw was found ? |
| 15:44.51 | mrsno | soulrider there is backports.org which can be used to get packages from testing, for stable and it leaves a clean migration path if you ever wish to distribution upgrade. |
| 15:45.14 | wols | soulrider: when a secrity flaw is found, the fix is backported to the release debian stable uses |
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| 15:45.31 | soulrider | so i can use stable + backports and have a stable release with packages as updated as in testing ? |
| 15:45.33 | wols | soulrider: so the version isn't changed |
| 15:45.38 | Ace2016 | nope |
| 15:45.40 | wols | soulrider: no |
| 15:45.46 | mrsno | not quite no |
| 15:45.48 | Ace2016 | only some apps can be backported |
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| 15:45.52 | soulrider | so i probably wante to run testing then :P |
| 15:45.53 | Ace2016 | so no xorg or kde |
| 15:45.53 | RichiH | is there a gui xmlrpc client into which i can paste xml rpc requests? |
| 15:46.03 | RichiH | erm |
| 15:46.03 | mrsno | once you move away from stable you are not running stable any more |
| 15:46.07 | RichiH | xml requests |
| 15:46.14 | soulrider | but how unstable is testing ? |
| 15:46.15 | wols | soulrider: iyou can run testing in this case directly cause that's what you are actually doing. backports is only if you want as few things from testing but doesn't want to upgrade fully |
| 15:46.17 | abrotman | you lazy bum! |
| 15:46.39 | wols | Ace2016: that BS. all can be backported usually |
| 15:46.49 | wols | RichiH: can you elaborate? |
| 15:46.54 | Ace2016 | really? |
| 15:46.59 | Xenguy | soulrider: I ran sid and testing for quite some time; I recently retreated all my systems to stable =) |
| 15:47.05 | dkr | RichiH: xmlrpc is text, you don't need a gui for text. :) |
| 15:47.08 | wols | Ace2016: can. doesn't mean someone actually does a backport |
| 15:47.14 | FastPutty | soulrider: stable could make yuor server in deep trouble :D |
| 15:47.18 | FastPutty | soulrider: i mena testing* |
| 15:47.19 | soulrider | Xenguy, did it crash ofter? |
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| 15:47.33 | soulrider | FastPutty, im just gonna run a desktop amchine, not a server |
| 15:47.36 | Ace2016 | but doesn't stuff like xorg have lots of deps that would take it out of stable and into a cross between lenny/etch mashup? |
| 15:47.37 | wols | soulrider: it's not called unstable cause it crashes often |
| 15:47.38 | FastPutty | soulrider: well shoudl be ok |
| 15:47.56 | Insolit | Failed to mount '/dev/sdb1': Permission denied |
| 15:47.58 | soulrider | i was thinking of moving away from archlinux |
| 15:48.01 | wols | Ace2016: anytime you use a single backport you doN't run stable anymore |
| 15:48.07 | soulrider | but one of the things i like aobut it is how updated everything is |
| 15:48.23 | Ace2016 | unstable as in package versions keep changing all the time, so very fast, and sometimes deps aren't met and stuff like that |
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| 15:48.27 | Insolit | i get this when i try to mount a ntfs-3g partition while not as root: Failed to mount '/dev/sdb1': Permission denied. Anyone knows how to solve this? |
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| 15:48.46 | Ace2016 | be root? |
| 15:48.54 | soulrider | Insolit, fstab ? |
| 15:48.59 | mrsno | Insolit did you add yourself to the group that ntfs-3g creates? |
| 15:49.14 | Insolit | /dev/sdb1 /mnt/usb ntfs-3g umask=0,force,users,rw 0 1 |
| 15:49.21 | Insolit | this is my fstab line for that mount |
| 15:49.28 | soulrider | im gonna look at other options before i decide to move to debian |
| 15:49.30 | Nuxis | !alsa |
| 15:49.30 | dpkg | alsa is probably http://wiki.debian.org/ALSA or see <alsa install> or <alsa-checklist> |
| 15:49.30 | Insolit | i already put the users options |
| 15:49.34 | soulrider | thanks for all the help |
| 15:50.26 | Insolit | mrsno: i don't find any group created by ntfs-3g |
| 15:50.29 | RichiH | dkr: a cli script is a gui, as well ;) |
| 15:50.49 | RichiH | dkr: what i basically want is a way to just paste my xml i generate by hand |
| 15:51.13 | RichiH | i will prolly end up writing a perl script, but if there is anything available.. |
| 15:51.27 | Ace2016 | i'm compiling a kernel and i'm not seeing 100% cpu usage, even for a short time, is it because i'm running a dual core 64 with a 32 bit kernel? or the apps themselves not supporting dual core? |
| 15:51.35 | mrsno | Insolit ok then check the mount point permissions, or as someone above said try as root |
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| 15:52.23 | Ace2016 | oh wait is there some reserved cpu so that everything doesn't grind to a halt? |
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| 15:53.04 | dkr | RichiH: well, you could just use an http client to post it to the xmlrpc server. e.g. wget or POST or telnet server 80 :) |
| 15:53.23 | Nuxis | mhh my sound isn't working and I did the full checklist |
| 15:53.24 | dkr | RichiH: personally I just write a simple perl scritp using RPC::XML::Client |
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| 15:54.01 | RichiH | dkr: yah, that is what i will end up doing, i suspect |
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| 15:54.35 | jazhambo | hey folks, I'm trying to install a program that needs "muparser". apt-file search muparser gives no results. Any ideas what I need to do to get muparser? |
| 15:54.47 | jazhambo | Is muparser in etch? |
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| 15:55.19 | Ace2016 | packages.debian.org |
| 15:55.20 | Ace2016 | check there |
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| 15:56.18 | Xenguy | soulrider: I started experiencing er, stability problems (more than I was willing to accept anyway -- YMMV :-) |
| 15:56.40 | Ace2016 | with testing? |
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| 15:58.02 | DawnLight | ok, i'm convinced this is madness. i am following this to create a sid installation in a chroot... this is getting somewhat scary now... http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-tips.en.html#s-chroot |
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| 15:58.34 | RickyWh1 | do i have to add the zone in my bind before a /dns domain.tld will resolve from mirc? |
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| 15:59.39 | Nuxis | guys I don't have sound and I did the full alsa-checklist, someone has an idea it worked fine under windows etc.. |
| 15:59.49 | Ace2016 | i remember creating a chroot for debain sid in ubuntu, but i never ended up using it |
| 16:00.01 | keith4 | Nuxis: what is the "full alsa-checlist"? |
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| 16:00.07 | Nuxis | !alsa-checklist |
| 16:00.07 | dpkg | hmm... alsa-checklist is 1) run alsaconf as root user 2) add your user to the 'audio' group (log out and log again in) 3) use alsamixer and make sure levels are up and it is unmuted 4) arts or esound stopped? 5) OSS modules unloaded? 6) speakers on? 7) modprobe snd-pcm-oss 8) does `cat /dev/urandom > /dev/dsp` work for root? |
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| 16:00.58 | Nuxis | so I did that all and now :s |
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| 16:01.26 | Yggdrasil | wols yea rcconf it was |
| 16:01.50 | keith4 | Nuxis: and alsaconf claims to have found your card and loaded the drivers for it? |
| 16:01.57 | Nuxis | keith4: yup |
| 16:02.07 | keith4 | what card? |
| 16:02.29 | Nuxis | VIA ... |
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| 16:02.34 | mxp | ich bin so schön |
| 16:02.36 | mxp | und auch so doll |
| 16:02.38 | mxp | ich bin der anton aus tirol |
| 16:02.49 | Nuxis | mxp: stop screwing arround |
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| 16:03.49 | wols | DawnLight: which part is scary? |
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| 16:04.14 | wols | Nuxis: which chip exactly? |
| 16:04.20 | Insolit | how can i check open I/O devices descriptors? |
| 16:04.31 | Nuxis | wols sec lemme paste the output from lspci -v for it |
| 16:04.42 | wols | Insolit: with fopen() or whateevr your programming language uses |
| 16:04.49 | wols | Nuxis: pastebin. |
| 16:04.53 | orto | hello! don't you know, why java (webstart) progs can't connect to the internet directly, only via proxy, even if proxy is on the localhost? |
| 16:05.09 | Insolit | wols: not related with a programming language, i'm getting 9:0:0:0: rejecting I/O to dead device in dmesg |
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| 16:05.19 | Nuxis | http://pastebin.com/m32a83b5f |
| 16:05.22 | Insolit | and i wonder what app might be trying to write to that dead device. |
| 16:05.29 | keith4 | Insolit: lsof ? |
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| 16:05.38 | wols | Insolit: lsof, fuser |
| 16:05.40 | Insolit | keith4: thanks |
| 16:05.46 | Insolit | wols: thanks |
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| 16:08.19 | Nuxis | wols: output from lshw http://pastebin.com/m57fdd789 |
| 16:09.42 | wols | Nuxis: what driver does alsaconf want to use? |
| 16:09.44 | Nuxis | so everything seems to be ok but still don't have sound :s should I compile the latsest alsa? |
| 16:09.50 | Nuxis | wols: sec |
| 16:10.31 | Nuxis | wols: the via one or legacy Probe legacy ISA (non-PnP) chips |
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| 16:11.17 | wols | Nuxis: what driver? |
| 16:11.30 | Nuxis | via82xx |
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| 16:12.02 | wols | try i810. might work it being AC97 |
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| 16:12.18 | Nuxis | !i810 |
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| 16:12.26 | Nuxis | mhh ..? |
| 16:12.26 | puchu | hi |
| 16:12.40 | Nuxis | wols then how do I change the drivers? |
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| 16:13.18 | puchu | ich have installed ntp and it stopped working ... it is registered in init ... rc.* .. but it doesnt come up ... and no syslog that it doesnt work ... when i start it normaly after startup it works ... what can i do th fix this? |
| 16:13.21 | alaya | has something changed with drxx script? i'm not gettting the questions about which modules to load, and the xorg.conf it generates lacks the dri section |
| 16:13.54 | wols | Nuxis: vt82xx is fine according to alsa-project.org |
| 16:13.59 | alaya | only the installation xorg.conf, which uses vesa driver, works. |
| 16:14.17 | Nuxis | wols: you mean via*** or the driver vt82xx and how do I change the drivers then? |
| 16:14.28 | wols | puchu: ls -al /etc/rc2.d/*ntp* |
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| 16:15.02 | wols | Nuxis: snd-card-via82xx |
| 16:15.07 | Nuxis | kk |
| 16:15.19 | puchu | wols lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 13 2007-11-28 16:48 /etc/rc2.d/S40ntp -> ../init.d/ntp |
| 16:15.20 | wols | Nuxis: see http://alsa-project.org/main/index.php/Matrix:Vendor-VIA |
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| 16:15.27 | |messiah| | Hi all |
| 16:15.30 | Nuxis | tnx wols |
| 16:15.30 | troythetechguy | abrotman, I'm using etch |
| 16:15.34 | wols | puchu: check your logs then |
| 16:15.36 | abrotman | huh ? |
| 16:15.42 | puchu | wols no output |
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| 16:15.46 | abrotman | troythetechguy: refresh my memory :) |
| 16:15.47 | puchu | in syslog from ntp |
| 16:15.50 | wols | puchu: I don't think so |
| 16:16.02 | |messiah| | I install libwpd-tools, I read that is a tool to convert wpd to .txt, I need to convert a lot of files, someone use this or other tool to do this? |
| 16:16.03 | troythetechguy | abrotman, about using apt-get dist-upgrade or apt- upgrade |
| 16:16.06 | puchu | the only output i have is from the ntp when i start it by my own |
| 16:16.14 | abrotman | troythetechguy: upgrade should do it |
| 16:16.14 | puchu | @wols |
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| 16:17.55 | wols | puchu: pastbein your syslog then |
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| 16:18.11 | wols | puchu: and ls /etc/rc2.d/ |
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| 16:21.35 | |messiah| | I install libwpd-tools, I read that is a tool to convert wpd to .txt, I need to convert a lot of files, someone use this or other tool to do this? |
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| 16:22.11 | wols | !anyone |
| 16:22.12 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone uses <someprogram>. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use <someprogram>?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls> |
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| 16:22.57 | KeepW | hi, where can i ask about network issues? |
| 16:23.09 | abrotman | what kind of network issues? |
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| 16:23.45 | KeepW | abrotman i have a dlink dir-300 and i want to disable isolation, but i cant find it.... |
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| 16:23.55 | abrotman | ask #networking |
| 16:24.07 | |messiah| | ok, I need to convert WPD files to .txt how can I do it? |
| 16:24.14 | KeepW | abrotman thnxz |
| 16:24.25 | wols | KeepW: maybe #hardware |
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| 16:25.51 | KeepW | wols thnxz |
| 16:27.04 | Soeki | hey abrotman |
| 16:27.17 | Soeki | im on round 2 |
| 16:27.35 | alaya | why is there no module section in xorg.conf? |
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| 16:28.17 | puchu | wols http://nopaste.php-quake.net/10476 |
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| 16:28.37 | neotic | alaya: it changed in a version |
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| 16:29.32 | Soeki | i did a clean install and just m-a a-i sl-modem flat out after install finished and i didnt get the error |
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| 16:35.11 | yangvnc | Does anyone knows how is the package pwlib (ekiga) called in debian? |
| 16:35.19 | hoxu | cheers sid, who needs a working libc6 anyway... |
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| 16:36.14 | maxamillion | hoxu: the sidux community repos have a work around |
| 16:36.46 | wols | hoxu: put it on hold |
| 16:36.53 | wols | get your libc from lenny |
| 16:37.49 | hoxu | (nah, then I wouldn't have much to complain about, I'd feel left out when discussing with windows users, but thanks;) |
| 16:38.05 | abrotman | yangvnc: ekiga |
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| 16:39.36 | yangvnc | checking for PWLib version... configure: error: Sorry but the recommended PWLib version is 1.10.10 |
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| 16:40.22 | abrotman | why are you compiling it? |
| 16:40.59 | hoxu | yangvnc, libpt-1.10.10? |
| 16:41.03 | yangvnc | libpt-1.11.2 1.11.2-1 |
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| 16:41.23 | yangvnc | abrotman: it doesn't have the fixed release in lenny |
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| 16:41.31 | zack23 | Is there a problem with apache 2.2.6 on etch? Seems to be some memory issue |
| 16:41.35 | abrotman | !info ekiga lenny |
| 16:41.55 | Soeki | !info sl-modem Soeki |
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| 16:41.55 | tarzeau | i've got an ARM COMPUTER! |
| 16:42.08 | abrotman | i've got an arm! |
| 16:42.17 | dkr | I've got two. |
| 16:42.21 | tarzeau | http://www.picotux.com/ ARM/VLSI ARM 7 TDMI rev 0 (v3b), 8.96 BogoMIPS! |
| 16:42.30 | tarzeau | it can do telnet! |
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| 16:43.26 | wols | gz! |
| 16:43.30 | wols | but: is it debian? |
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| 16:43.43 | dpkg | ekiga: (H.323 and SIP compatible VOIP client), section gnome, is optional. Version: 2.0.3-6+b1 (lenny), Packaged size: 5386 kB, Installed size: 12612 kB |
| 16:43.43 | tarzeau | wols: dpkg can run with 8 mb memory? |
| 16:43.59 | wols | tarzeau: potato can |
| 16:44.17 | abrotman | yangvnc: so what's wrong with the 2.0.3 in lenny? |
| 16:44.19 | tarzeau | wols: too big! |
| 16:44.24 | yangvnc | abrotman: even the sid 2.0.9 release is not working right |
| 16:44.26 | zeier | suddenly, kuickshow began showing me strange images. (looks as if you set up a too high resolution on your crt - you may recognize the original, but a lot of lines a.s.o.) Does anybody have the same problems, or where should I start searching for problems? (any other image app shows them correctly) |
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| 16:45.04 | abrotman | yangvnc: okay |
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| 16:45.42 | wols | tarzeau: debian 2.0 would work imho |
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| 16:45.47 | Soeki | hey abrotman what does exactle m-a a-i sl-modem do? |
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| 16:45.52 | Soeki | compile both modules? |
| 16:45.56 | tarzeau | wols: did you look how the computer looks ? |
| 16:45.57 | abrotman | Soeki: man m-a |
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| 16:46.14 | tarzeau | i wonder if it is mips or mipsel |
| 16:46.19 | MolePrince | Howdy.. I'm looking for ideas on what to turn an old laptop into. I'm getting a newer one and wouldn't want it go waste. Pondering some sort of router/IDS thing thing. |
| 16:46.30 | wols | tarzeau: why would I? it's a computer it has 8MB RAM. it can run debian |
| 16:46.32 | wols | QED |
| 16:47.06 | wols | tarzeau: why mips? you said it's an ARM |
| 16:47.22 | tarzeau | wols: arg right... it's ARM |
| 16:47.47 | tarzeau | it's without mmu |
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| 16:48.24 | wols | my router is mips, but no debian. maybe I need a version with USB port and use a USB hdd :) |
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| 16:49.47 | MOTU_ | i get kernel panic when connecting to internet with e1000 nic and amd64 2.6.18 kernel, anyone help out? |
| 16:50.15 | SlayerXP | MOTU_: perhaps there's a kernel update available? |
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| 16:54.42 | Yggdrasil | hello guys |
| 16:54.58 | Yggdrasil | is there away to say like when i ssh somehwere to have the password be sent |
| 16:55.15 | abrotman | like on the command line? |
| 16:55.20 | Yggdrasil | like ssh 192.168.0.1 -l yggdrasil -p drowssap |
| 16:55.22 | Yggdrasil | yea |
| 16:56.35 | nkuttler | Yggdrasil: use ssh keys |
| 16:56.59 | Yggdrasil | well im just thinkgin id like to write a little script and then make a launcher |
| 16:57.10 | Yggdrasil | that will ssh , send password. so i just click it from my desktop |
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| 16:59.05 | DawnLight | if i make a sid chroot using bootstrap and then chroot to that... that means i am running sid with an etch kernel? |
| 16:59.09 | nkuttler | Yggdrasil: man ssh-keygen, man keychain. Giving a password on the command line is a bad idea. |
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| 16:59.42 | Yggdrasil | thanks |
| 17:00.14 | DawnLight | bbl |
| 17:00.36 | azeem | DawnLight: why don't you make a testing chroot? |
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| 17:02.17 | Nuxis | wols: I did everything on http://alsa-project.org/main/index.php/Matrix:Module-via82xx,,, still don't have any sound |
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| 17:03.47 | Danielss89 | hmm im using find and locate to find something but none of them return anything, and im SURE theres a file or folder with that name |
| 17:04.29 | petemc | Danielss89: locate needs to have updatedb ran recently, find is picky about its syntax |
| 17:04.35 | Nuxis | wols: any idea's? |
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| 17:05.22 | RoundQube | hello all |
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| 17:06.06 | RoundQube | i have a myserver.cert file that was issued to me from a cert authority, how do i get the priv key? do I need to use the original key that was generated during the CSR generation or can I just use another? |
| 17:06.09 | MolePrince | Looking for ideas on what to do network-wise with an old box. :) |
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| 17:06.59 | dkr | RoundQube: you need the original |
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| 17:07.06 | RoundQube | dkr ok thanks |
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| 17:08.48 | wols | nite613_: is the device(s) there? |
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| 17:16.44 | Knight_Lord | Can I still use passwordless ssh if I want to log into a system with a different username than my local username? |
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| 17:17.21 | Knight_Lord | I tried to copy my ~./ssh/id_rsa.pub to the ~remote_user/.ssh/ and it doesn't seem to work |
| 17:17.45 | Knight_Lord | even if I ssh -i ~local_user/.ssh/id_rsa remote_user@remote_host |
| 17:17.49 | dkr | Knight_Lord: you need to call the remote file with the public key authorized_keys |
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| 17:18.03 | dkr | and "yes" is answer to your first question. :) |
| 17:18.31 | Knight_Lord | thank you :) |
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| 17:20.36 | Ace2016 | i need help |
| 17:20.42 | Ace2016 | the kernel i just compiled won't wrok |
| 17:20.44 | Ace2016 | it says |
| 17:20.49 | Ace2016 | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:20.49 | Ace2016 | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:20.59 | Ace2016 | how can this be? it was compiled on my system |
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| 17:21.27 | Ace2016 | if libc isn't >= 2.7-1 how did it compile in the first place |
| 17:21.35 | Ace2016 | can someone explain this to me please |
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| 17:22.08 | Knight_Lord | Ace2016: what does the kernel you just compiled has to do with that kernel-headers package? |
| 17:22.28 | Ace2016 | well i guess the headers are a part of the kernel right? |
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| 17:22.40 | Knight_Lord | Ace2016: is it a vanilla kernel? |
| 17:22.48 | Ace2016 | yup from kernel.org |
| 17:23.15 | Knight_Lord | Ace2016: and you build it debian style? |
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| 17:23.15 | Ace2016 | yup |
| 17:23.39 | Ace2016 | menu config and then fakeroot make-kpkg ... |
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| 17:23.43 | Knight_Lord | Ace2016: about the dependency I don't think it will check for those things at compile time, I think you're supposed to read the docs and figure it out yourself |
| 17:23.47 | webczat | hi |
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| 17:23.51 | Knight_Lord | Ace2016: but it's a very strange dependency |
| 17:23.53 | Ace2016 | oh sweet its in the sid repos |
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| 17:24.22 | Knight_Lord | Ace2016: does the kernel-image install btw? |
| 17:24.37 | Ace2016 | yea kernel image installed fine, nvidia was also somehow compiled and installed |
| 17:25.00 | Knight_Lord | Ace2016: it's very weird that the image installs but the headers complain of the dependency |
| 17:25.15 | Knight_Lord | Ace2016: anyway you don't need the headers if you compiled the kernel yourself |
| 17:25.20 | Ace2016 | yea i thought the same |
| 17:25.30 | Ace2016 | really? then why do headers exist? |
| 17:25.53 | Knight_Lord | Ace2016: the headers are already there when you decompressed your kernel .tar.gz |
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| 17:26.14 | Ace2016 | precompiled? |
| 17:26.15 | Knight_Lord | Ace2016: that kernel-headers package is only for people who install binary images of the kernel but then want to compile code against that kernel |
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| 17:26.57 | Knight_Lord | Ace2016: it's just a description of the kernel interface so that modules know how to hook to it |
| 17:27.13 | Ace2016 | oh so its some sort of config thing with minimal source for parts of the kernel modules need info for, like a specification file the modules use to find out how to fit with the kernel |
| 17:27.55 | Ace2016 | why would that need deps? maybe the modules need to access a feature in the deps when compiling? |
| 17:27.56 | Knight_Lord | It's a description of how to call each function present in the kernel |
| 17:28.26 | Knight_Lord | Ace2016: it's just a bunch of text files it does not strictly need any de |
| 17:28.27 | Knight_Lord | dep |
| 17:29.23 | RickyWh1 | the default zones in my bind install are for, zone "localhost", zone "127.in-addr.arpa", zone "0.in-addr.arpa" and zone "255.in-addr.arpa" |
| 17:29.29 | RickyWh1 | anything wrong with them like that? |
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| 17:32.40 | CppIsWeird | how do i get x11vnc to run for multiple client sessions? every time a client disconnects, it ends. |
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| 17:33.38 | RickyWh1 | is there somewhere on the internet i can get a copy of a primary zone file that i can use for a template? |
| 17:33.46 | RickyWh1 | or maybe one comes with bind somewhere? |
| 17:34.50 | cusco | hey dudes |
| 17:34.53 | cusco | I forgot.... |
| 17:35.16 | cusco | how do I "make install" to the new kernel version that I have not booted into yet?! |
| 17:35.30 | xored | iam using a alias file to identify my local users<->mailalias in exim. let say peterm@mydomain.com is sending a mail to someone, and his sername is actualll userpeter..the rcpt gets a mail which has as sender : userpter@domain instead of peterm@domain..why ? |
| 17:36.30 | keith4 | mailaliases only get checked for incoming mail, they have nothing to do with outgoing mail |
| 17:36.38 | keith4 | because on an outgoing message, you can say it's from whomever you want |
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| 17:38.32 | xored | keith4: hmm it worked on my last boxed before i moved, there i used postfix |
| 17:39.01 | keith4 | people seem to like postfix more than exim, fwiw |
| 17:39.01 | xored | keith4: my customers should not be able to use any alias the waynt to send mails, only their own |
| 17:39.25 | keith4 | xored: i can send you email that says it's from the president of the US |
| 17:39.47 | xored | keith4: you can, if you are admin, you cant, if you are customer of an server :) |
| 17:39.54 | justus | Hello. I just installed Debian Testing on my laptop and got one little problem. In GDM, the font in the textboxes (login and username) are really huge. Does anyone know this problem? |
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| 17:40.02 | xored | keith4: that depends on the configuration |
| 17:40.06 | Ace2016 | ok back |
| 17:40.12 | Ace2016 | my alt key got stuck |
| 17:40.28 | keith4 | xored: not so much, no |
| 17:40.40 | Ace2016 | well it wasn't stuck as on the keyboard, but it got stuck in xorg, a |
| 17:40.41 | keith4 | unless the only way anyone has to send mail is via webmail, perhaps |
| 17:41.16 | xored | keith4: no, you can let check exim if this users has actually such an alias |
| 17:41.31 | xored | keith4: and is actually sending from his own domain, if he is not, you refuse |
| 17:41.44 | keith4 | dunno, i've never used exim |
| 17:41.47 | keith4 | ask in #exim |
| 17:42.39 | xored | did, non there |
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| 17:45.23 | nkuttler | cusco: /msg dpkg kp |
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| 17:46.20 | cusco | nkuttler: Im not interested in compiling the kernel |
| 17:46.20 | cusco | thanks |
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| 17:46.53 | sts | hello folks! |
| 17:47.11 | Ace2016 | Hi all |
| 17:47.26 | Ace2016 | does anyone here use qemu? |
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| 17:47.55 | Ace2016 | i searched the repos for kqemu, its the accelerator right? |
| 17:48.14 | Ace2016 | i also saw kvm, can someone tell me what that does? |
| 17:48.23 | DimmuR | evening everyone |
| 17:48.32 | wols | !kvm |
| 17:48.33 | dpkg | hmm... kvm is kernel virtual memory (kernel address space), or keyboard/video/mouse Or Kernel-based Virtual Machine. check http://kvm.qumranet.com/kvmwiki/Debian for installation instructions. |
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| 17:48.56 | Ace2016 | DimmuR: what? |
| 17:48.59 | xored | wols: could you help me with my small exim problem? just got my new debian etch box and failing a bit |
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| 17:49.46 | aixenv | i need to lessen the amount of loggin in syslog.. whats a good syslog.conf parameter for /var/log/syslog instead of *.* |
| 17:50.05 | aixenv | i set the mail.log to only log mail.err |
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| 17:50.25 | itchi | Hi, where can i find info about the standard groups and for what these are used? |
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| 17:51.54 | wols | (lastlog xored |
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| 17:52.06 | aixenv | any thoughts? |
| 17:52.06 | Ace2016 | ιFATAL: Error inserting kvm_amd (/lib/modules/2.6.23.9/misc/kvm-amd.ko): Unknown symbol in module, or unknown parameter (see dmesg) |
| 17:52.10 | Ace2016 | :( |
| 17:52.28 | Ace2016 | kvm: disabled by bios |
| 17:52.34 | itchi | Ace2016: kqemu is the accelerator part of qemu |
| 17:52.37 | Ace2016 | grrr, stupid stupid hp! |
| 17:52.47 | wols | xored: you can give the mail from where it sends. |
| 17:52.57 | Ace2016 | itchi: wait so whats the difference between kqemu and kvm? |
| 17:53.01 | wols | xored: it's a mailclient problem |
| 17:53.08 | xored | wols: did not exactly get what you mean. |
| 17:53.09 | itchi | Ace2016: well much :-p |
| 17:53.10 | Ace2016 | kvm is something built into the cpu right? |
| 17:53.15 | wols | Ace2016: use a debian kernel |
| 17:53.19 | Ace2016 | and kqemu is for anything? |
| 17:53.20 | wols | Ace2016: also, what CPU? |
| 17:53.22 | itchi | Ace2016: Into the kernel |
| 17:53.31 | Ace2016 | wols: i can't, my hardware isn't supported on those |
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| 17:53.41 | xored | wols: I dont want the mailclient to choose which sender its transmit. The sender should be set ( forced ) by looking at the alias file for the user name |
| 17:53.43 | itchi | Ace2016: cat /proc/cpuinfo |
| 17:53.44 | wols | Ace2016: what cpu? |
| 17:54.09 | Ace2016 | wols: its AMD Turion(tm) 64 X2 Mobile Technology TL-56 fpu vme de pse tsc msr pae mce cx8 apic sep mtrr pge mca cmov pat pse36 clflush mmx fxsr sse sse2 ht syscall nx mmxext fxsr_opt rdtscp lm 3dnowext 3dnow pni cx16 lahf_lm cmp_legacy svm extapic cr8_legacy misalignsse ts fid vid ttp tm stc 100mhzsteps |
| 17:54.17 | wols | xored: it's ALWAYS the client which sets the FROM: |
| 17:54.48 | xored | wols: he can, but thats not what you want if you run a MTA and have customer |
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| 17:55.11 | wols | xored: then you use smtpd-auth |
| 17:55.26 | xored | wols: i guess this is a postfix plgin ? |
| 17:55.35 | wols | no |
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| 17:55.43 | xored | wols: i mean, sure the customer is quthing with the MTA |
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| 17:55.53 | xored | wols: thats clear anyway |
| 17:56.17 | narma | hello, how can I find files which their name is not UTF8 ? thanks |
| 17:56.25 | wols | xored: you need smtp-auth |
| 17:56.26 | Ace2016 | wols: i'll restart and check bios |
| 17:56.29 | Ace2016 | brb all |
| 17:56.59 | xored | wols: iam not sure what you mean. Every user which wants to use the MTA as a realy, has to auth himself already. Thats what you mean ? |
| 17:57.10 | wols | yes |
| 17:57.28 | k31th | Any LGPL gurus here? is this accurate http://www.jfree.org/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?p=642&sid=1c8fa2ef387c972e05b2d424e7d91f01 |
| 17:58.42 | Xenguy | Q. I am SSH'd into a box I want to 'hibernate' from the command-line. What is the easiest, most reliable tool to use? |
| 17:59.13 | wols | k31th: it is |
| 17:59.49 | wols | Xenguy: how do you want to awake it again? |
| 18:00.10 | k31th | wols: cheers |
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| 18:00.59 | abrotman | wols: just answer his question damn it! |
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| 18:01.12 | Ace2016 | Hi all i'm back |
| 18:01.22 | Ace2016 | and i enabled virtualization in bios |
| 18:01.29 | Ace2016 | wonder why it was disabled |
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| 18:01.55 | Ace2016 | yay it modprobed |
| 18:02.13 | abrotman | glad you figured it out |
| 18:02.51 | DawnLight | my sister tells me that her X is frozen. i'm remotely logged in and looking at the processes in htop. how sould i know what to kill? |
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| 18:03.22 | valdyn | DawnLight: not, just do an /etc/init.d/*dm restart |
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| 18:03.39 | valdyn | DawnLight: ( if the has only one *dm in there ) |
| 18:03.58 | DawnLight | valdyn: but that would kill all her X clients |
| 18:04.04 | valdyn | DawnLight: sure |
| 18:04.08 | DawnLight | no way |
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| 18:04.28 | valdyn | DawnLight: it might be the only solution |
| 18:04.34 | mogra | DawnLight: there's not much way around that when X freezes. |
| 18:04.35 | valdyn | DawnLight: but you can try her window manager too |
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| 18:04.46 | DawnLight | this is probably a certain process |
| 18:04.58 | valdyn | DawnLight: what mogra sais, but window manager can cause similar symptoms |
| 18:05.01 | mogra | is there a certain process using up a lot of CPU? |
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| 18:05.31 | DawnLight | i've seen X freezes when x clients have bugs |
| 18:05.32 | valdyn | i dont see what'S so bad about killing X though |
| 18:05.40 | DawnLight | mogra: no |
| 18:05.51 | mogra | 'c' in top will arrange them by CPU |
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| 18:06.09 | mogra | hit again to switch from Ascending to Descending, vice versa |
| 18:06.22 | DawnLight | that's the first thing i looked for |
| 18:06.50 | mogra | so, what do you think it is? I have no idea what she was running at the time. |
| 18:07.02 | Soeki | finnally! |
| 18:07.06 | Soeki | modem is working |
| 18:07.19 | DawnLight | maybe konqueror with the flash plugin |
| 18:07.39 | mogra | then "ps ax|grep konq" and kill that pid? |
| 18:07.43 | Soeki | how can i change the system default route conection? |
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| 18:08.09 | DawnLight | Soeki: ifupdown does that for you |
| 18:08.23 | Soeki | like on boottime? |
| 18:08.33 | DawnLight | Soeki: man interfaces. though i've never used a modem in debian |
| 18:08.36 | abrotman | Soeki: how'd you fix it? |
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| 18:08.46 | abrotman | man route .. route add default gw <IP> |
| 18:09.24 | HardDisk_WP | does anyone know how to use apples bootloader w/ grub or at least make a backup of it? |
| 18:09.26 | Soeki | abrotman the thing is that its a AMR modem so the Audio and Modem were fighting for the irq 10 |
| 18:09.41 | valdyn | Soeki: pppconfig should set this up for you |
| 18:09.45 | valdyn | Soeki: does it not? |
| 18:10.03 | Soeki | im sure there are savyy users that would make both modem and audio work, maby with alsa |
| 18:10.15 | abrotman | Soeki: that's just goofy |
| 18:10.16 | Soeki | but after 2 days ill settle for modem only |
| 18:10.32 | Soeki | i just went into the bios an disabled the audio device |
| 18:11.19 | Ace2016 | brb |
| 18:11.58 | Soeki | dont know how fast a openvpn bridged would work over a dial up conex |
| 18:12.27 | Soeki | but at best it should be slow as hell |
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| 18:12.52 | Xenguy | wols: I'm at work now, so I would just un-hibernate when I got home (is that what you mean?) |
| 18:14.26 | Xenguy | !dpkg |
| 18:14.26 | dpkg | dpkg is probably the program used by debian to install and remove packages, "man dpkg". also ask me about <apt howto> |
| 18:14.38 | Xenguy | dpkg |
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| 18:16.12 | justus | i want to use my wireless chip on debian lenny and recognized that the ipw3945 driver is named "old style" - is there another way to use it? |
| 18:16.54 | cahoot | iwlwifi? |
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| 18:17.35 | cahoot | justus: try /msg dpkg iwlwifi |
| 18:18.13 | justus | thank you! |
| 18:19.41 | abrotman | !iwl3945 |
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| 18:19.47 | abrotman | !ipw3945 |
| 18:19.47 | dpkg | If you're running a recent version of Debian (etch or greater), do the following: add <contrib> and <non-free> entries in your sources.list, "aptitude update; aptitude install ipw3945-modules-$(uname -r) firmware-ipw3945 ipw3945d". |
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| 18:20.08 | HardDisk_WP | !iwlwifi |
| 18:20.08 | dpkg | iwlwifi is the new driver for Intel 3945 and 4965 wireless chipsets and can be found at http://intellinuxwireless.org/?p=iwlwifi It doesn't need the binary regulatory daemon but is not easy to get working with kernels older than 2.6.21. Not directly supported by Debian at present although microcode is in 'firmware-iwlwifi'. For a Debian HOWTO, see http://www.nanonanonano.net/linux/debian/iwlwifi |
| 18:20.38 | justus | thanks again, i'll try iwlwifi and see if it works |
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| 18:21.35 | klim_ | does fdisk have a cylinder size limitation? |
| 18:22.04 | Dummies_freelanc | hi. needi know one magazine for debian. |
| 18:22.07 | themill | heh... my little iwlwifi howto does another trip around the block... |
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| 18:25.38 | CharminTheMoose | what includes do i include for xlib programming of a window manager? |
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| 18:28.02 | themill | use apt-file to find the specific header files as you need them. x-dev and libx11-dev will probably be on the list though... |
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| 18:28.16 | mbroeker | CharminTheMoose, http://rafb.net/p/dsc03k23.html |
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| 18:31.32 | CharminTheMoose | thanks mbroeker |
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| 18:34.03 | themill | CharminTheMoose: ugh.. sorry.. I thought you were looking for the packages that had the headers. |
| 18:34.57 | t00t | i cant use apt-get/cache anymore? |
| 18:34.57 | t00t | E: Dynamic MMap ran out of room |
| 18:34.57 | t00t | E: Error occurred while processing libapache2-mod-jk (NewVersion1) |
| 18:34.57 | t00t | E: Problem with MergeList /var/lib/dpkg/status |
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| 18:35.01 | t00t | oh oops |
| 18:35.10 | themill | !tell t00t about paste |
| 18:35.28 | themill | !dynamic mmap |
| 18:35.28 | dpkg | Getting "E: Dynamic MMap ran out of room" when using apt-get? Put the following line into your /etc/apt/apt.conf: 'APT::Cache-Limit 12582912;' . If you still get the same error, increase the value. If that file doesn't exist, add it, or put that line in a file in /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/ You can also possibly get rid of this error by deleting entries from your sources.list that you don't actually need. |
| 18:35.30 | t00t | just 3 lines.. didnt think it was a prob when everyone's idling |
| 18:35.55 | themill | t00t: except your first line totals it to 4 lines so the bot kicks you. |
| 18:36.20 | t00t | noticed that :p still didnt know that was to muhc |
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| 18:36.51 | themill | t00t: that's fine. Anyway follow that factoid from dpkg ^^ |
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| 18:37.05 | t00t | im trying |
| 18:37.05 | t00t | but |
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| 18:37.09 | t00t | /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/70debconf |
| 18:37.14 | t00t | good one too? |
| 18:37.24 | t00t | ah nvm |
| 18:37.48 | themill | t00t: I use /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/00local. Best not to use a file that is part of something else |
| 18:37.59 | t00t | its the only one |
| 18:38.12 | militant | any idea why i can't use the mysql account or set a password for it? it's a vps on some provider, i'm supposed to have mysql |
| 18:38.38 | themill | t00t: you can make a new file in there. All files in that directory get read in as part of the config |
| 18:38.43 | fengor | militant: ask your provider |
| 18:38.55 | t00t | man that didnt help |
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| 18:38.56 | t00t | bleh |
| 18:39.02 | militant | i know i'll need to read up on mysql, but this should be standard - blank out the password, su to the account, run passwd ... sigh. |
| 18:39.19 | themill | t00t: you'll need to apt-get update again. If that number isn't big enough, use a bigger one |
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| 18:39.29 | mbroeker | CharminTheMoose, what kind of widget set will you use? |
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| 18:40.09 | t00t | lol to much installed? |
| 18:40.22 | t00t | yes a different error |
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| 18:40.54 | themill | t00t: no, just too many out of date repos in your sources.list that have to be updated at once. Removing unneeded repos and then retrying can help. |
| 18:41.09 | t00t | doubled the cache limit |
| 18:41.10 | t00t | that worked |
| 18:41.12 | t00t | thx :) |
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| 18:41.21 | themill | np |
| 18:41.37 | t00t | 82 gets |
| 18:41.38 | t00t | x/ |
| 18:41.39 | CharminTheMoose | mbroeker, just xlib, also when i compile that i get a string of errors saying 'Undefined reference to X...blahblah' |
| 18:42.30 | CharminTheMoose | (.text+0x70): undefined reference to `XCreateWindow' (.text+0x86): undefined reference to `XMapRaised' |
| 18:42.31 | mbroeker | CharminTheMoose, gcc -o xdemo -lX11 xdemo.c |
| 18:42.56 | t00t | !dkpg sdl |
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| 18:43.05 | t00t | !sdl |
| 18:43.06 | dpkg | sdl is probably the Simple DirectMedia Layer at http://libsdl.org/, or see esd-sdl, or #sdl |
| 18:43.22 | t00t | i guess it is.. |
| 18:43.31 | alexandroos | hello, I set iceweasel as the default x-www-browser (with update-alternatives) but still when i click on a link epiphany load the site. how do i make iceweasel the default browswer? |
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| 18:43.42 | CharminTheMoose | hehe thanks mbroeker |
| 18:43.44 | CharminTheMoose | :D |
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| 18:48.37 | hark | alexandroos: set it in gnome-default-applications-properties |
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| 18:50.16 | alexandroos | hark, i made it, thank u so much |
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| 18:55.39 | Ace2016 | ok i have kvm running |
| 18:56.06 | Ace2016 | seems i forgot to set the amount of ram, now its using only 192mb, this install is clearly going to take forever |
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| 18:56.19 | alexandroos | one more question: how i get the mouse side buttons to work forward and backward in the web browser? |
| 18:56.30 | FastPutty | in crontab, midnight mean 0 or 24 ? |
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| 18:57.12 | n33dhelp | Is it possible to tan the tip of your penis? |
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| 18:57.32 | azeem | n33dhelp: you've been silenced for 10 minutes for being off-topic |
| 18:57.41 | azeem | n33dhelp: if you have Debian questions, just ask them later on |
| 18:57.52 | FastPutty | n33dhelp: #sex |
| 18:58.03 | azeem | FastPutty: do you want to be silenced as well? |
| 18:58.07 | dryrot | ubuntu is awesome |
| 18:58.08 | FastPutty | XD no lo |
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| 18:58.41 | FastPutty | i thought n33dhelp was a bot from this channel lol |
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| 19:00.11 | deego | What's a way to ask apt-get to *always* prompt before making any new installations? -u does not always prompt if there are no extra packages to install? |
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| 19:00.19 | tecky | lol |
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| 19:00.34 | tecky | if you join #sex ... you get a funny chanserv pm |
| 19:00.47 | tecky | i miss lilo :\ |
| 19:00.50 | dryrot | deego: you could try apt-get --simulate |
| 19:01.12 | hark | FastPutty: man 5 crontab |
| 19:01.31 | hark | deego: aptitude does it, with -P |
| 19:01.33 | deego | dryrot: yeah, I do that, but I was wondering if there's a way to do just what I want above.. |
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| 19:02.13 | deego | hark: ah, thanks, perhaps i should switch; do most of you use aptitude rather than apt-get? |
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| 19:04.10 | hark | deego: yes, it's the recommended way now. /msg dpkg aptitude |
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| 19:05.22 | Ace2016 | does |
| 19:05.24 | Ace2016 | i |
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| 19:05.55 | Ace2016 | i mean, does aptitude have the equivilent of builddep yet? |
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| 19:07.37 | deego | interesting, thanks. Btw, dpkg also says: why not aptitude: aptitude has many bugs, such as #299009, which other APT frontends do not have. Is this information current? |
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| 19:08.03 | nkuttler | deego: bugs.debian.org/number. see status there |
| 19:09.20 | militant | hmmm this concerns me. why would all of the wordpress dir need to be in my website's root dir? they're world-readable including the config file with the database password |
| 19:10.36 | nkuttler | militant: they don't have to... dunno what the debian packages defaults to though |
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| 19:10.42 | Ace2016 | anyone know what the program is in this screenshot: |
| 19:10.44 | Ace2016 | http://arstechnica.com/journals/linux.ars/2007/11/27/asus-resolves-eee-gpl-violation-releases-asus_acpi-code-changes |
| 19:10.48 | Ace2016 | it looks sooo awesome |
| 19:10.54 | dante_2core | Ace2016, wait i'll have alook |
| 19:11.24 | militant | well you can use a subdir, which i did. but still, it's all readable. i'm not using hte debian package, i'm doing the standard install |
| 19:11.26 | dante_2core | what "program" do you mean? |
| 19:11.44 | dante_2core | the program doing those icons? |
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| 19:12.03 | dante_2core | that's an app of asus specially implemented for eeepc I'd think |
| 19:12.20 | nkuttler | militant: uh, just chown user:www-data the whole thing |
| 19:12.47 | Ace2016 | the one in the screenshot with the icons |
| 19:12.57 | Ace2016 | oh, i want that app |
| 19:13.07 | dante_2core | well |
| 19:13.08 | dante_2core | what is it |
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| 19:13.10 | dante_2core | a filemanager? |
| 19:13.19 | dante_2core | if you want s simple filemanager, get d3lphin |
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| 19:14.02 | dante_2core | g2g, dancing class |
| 19:14.06 | Ace2016 | ha ha |
| 19:14.10 | Ace2016 | i mean |
| 19:14.14 | Ace2016 | do you have the keyboard problem too |
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| 19:14.21 | dante_2core | what keyboard problem? |
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| 19:14.32 | Ace2016 | with keys being turned to numbers when numlock is on |
| 19:14.45 | Ace2016 | like konversation becomes 26nversat56n |
| 19:14.49 | dante_2core | no - i said "g2g" which means "got to go" |
| 19:14.56 | Ace2016 | no d3lphin |
| 19:14.59 | dante_2core | no |
| 19:15.02 | dante_2core | it's been renamed |
| 19:15.05 | dante_2core | from dolphin |
| 19:15.07 | dante_2core | to d3lphin |
| 19:15.08 | dante_2core | ;) |
| 19:15.30 | Ace2016 | huh? why? |
| 19:15.35 | dante_2core | dunno |
| 19:15.42 | Ace2016 | its harder to type |
| 19:15.45 | hark | the qt3 version is called d3lphin, it's still dolphin |
| 19:15.53 | dante_2core | g2g now |
| 19:15.55 | dante_2core | bye yall |
| 19:15.56 | Ace2016 | ok bye |
| 19:16.05 | dante_2core | well ,afk at least. |
| 19:16.06 | dante_2core | bb |
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| 19:17.59 | militant | some key combo i keep hitting when i'm trying to ^n in screen is locking up my session. even coming back in screen -x style dumps me into a locked session. |
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| 19:19.09 | joneskoo | any ideas why on my debian etch install I have LC_*="POSIX" set for users who log in with ssh? I'd like it to be en_US.UTF-8 instead. I have /etc/default/environment with lines LANG= and LC_CTYPE= correctly |
| 19:19.29 | xand | militant: try screen -dr, then maybe ctrl-c |
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| 19:20.34 | militant | zand: will try to remember. just wish i knew what i was hitting in the first place. it's sorta weird. |
| 19:21.03 | zand | ctrl-s could maybe cause that, but s isn't near n |
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| 19:21.29 | militant | err i meant ^a |
| 19:21.46 | militant | if it's ^s then ^s again doesn't remove it :/ |
| 19:21.57 | Ace2016 | oh wait i don't think thats an awesome looking app |
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| 19:22.17 | Ace2016 | it looks like the screen, there seems to be lots of wasted space |
| 19:22.35 | Ace2016 | that border around the screen, wonder why they put that there |
| 19:24.22 | Ace2016 | i found a video of it http://www.downloadsquad.com/ |
| 19:24.54 | joneskoo | locale-configuration gurus? I'd like to know who is supposed to set locales of users who log in over ssh. |
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| 19:25.14 | joneskoo | of course ssh can set LC_* too but I doubt most clients still do that |
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| 19:27.34 | Ace2016 | i really want one now |
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| 19:28.50 | simonrvn | joneskoo: like any other shell |
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| 19:39.12 | TrueDD | Hi all |
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| 19:40.11 | MASoft | I have /dev/hdd as my CDRom. How can I disable it ? maybe using modprobe and module cdrom ? |
| 19:40.31 | epsilon | remove in /etc/fstabs |
| 19:41.26 | MASoft | epsilon, my problem is not the mounting ! I want to disable it so even if someone wrote mount /dev/hdd /mnt/x with root permission can't mount it |
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| 19:41.58 | epsilon | MASoft: unplug the CDRom |
| 19:42.41 | MASoft | epsilon, Software method ! |
| 19:43.18 | epsilon | recompile Kernel without CDROm-Support? or as module and don#t load it? |
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| 19:43.22 | RickyWh1 | does debian etch come with a firewall on when you choose the 'basic system' option only during install? |
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| 19:44.23 | epsilon | dunno, is the iptables installed? |
| 19:44.30 | MASoft | epsilon, I want to disable only one of the CDDrives, and I have two |
| 19:45.20 | valdyn | RickyWh1: no |
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| 19:45.54 | valdyn | RickyWh1: debian does not ever really have personal firewalls as windows does. |
| 19:46.59 | RickyWh1 | how do i read, README.Debian.gz file? |
| 19:47.09 | valdyn | RickyWh1: zmore |
| 19:47.09 | epsilon | zless |
| 19:47.12 | RickyWh1 | i tried doing 'tar -zxvf onit' |
| 19:47.23 | epsilon | no need to extract |
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| 19:47.28 | valdyn | RickyWh1: its just one file, its just gzipped, not tarred |
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| 19:47.53 | RickyWh1 | ok soi use zmore to read .gz files? |
| 19:47.59 | RickyWh1 | .gz is not conmpressed? |
| 19:48.10 | valdyn | MASoft: that'S not possible with standard permission system |
| 19:48.13 | epsilon | zless will decopress for you |
| 19:48.15 | Borbus | How can I install memcached on etch? There's a guide on debian administration for sid.. is it the same for etch? |
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| 19:48.52 | valdyn | MASoft: you could look into "selinux" or just realise that what you are trying is pointless |
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| 19:49.08 | Eulex | RickyWh1, it is compressed, but it is not an archive of several files ('tarred'). it is just one compressed file. |
| 19:49.38 | RichiH | is there a way to fake not having KDE installed when it comes to debconf? |
| 19:49.46 | valdyn | RickyWh1: tar puts many files into one, gzip compresses |
| 19:49.48 | RickyWh1 | how do i tell if it needs to be uncompressed with tar -zxvf or if it just needs to be opened with zmore? |
| 19:49.51 | abrotman | !equivs |
| 19:49.52 | dpkg | methinks equivs is a package that enables you to create dummy packages that tell apt you really have installed (through some other means) the package. apt-get install equivs, and read /usr/share/doc/equivs/*, or see also <usrlocal> |
| 19:49.53 | valdyn | RickyWh1: its just one compressed file |
| 19:50.00 | valdyn | RickyWh1: tar itself does not compress |
| 19:50.15 | RichiH | http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=441975 is biting me |
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| 19:50.37 | valdyn | RickyWh1: .tar.gz is a tarball compressed with gzip |
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| 19:50.46 | valdyn | RickyWh1: just .gz is just compressed with gzip |
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| 19:51.17 | epsilon | stupid samba patch :( |
| 19:51.20 | RickyWh1 | so .tar.gz i use tar -zxvf and .gq i use zmore |
| 19:51.31 | valdyn | RickyWh1: umm |
| 19:51.34 | abrotman | !pubtime |
| 19:51.34 | dpkg | hmm... pubtime is time for asg to go .. 3pm!, or http://jackalopejacks.com/ |
| 19:51.35 | epsilon | without '-' |
| 19:51.36 | RickyWh1 | that's .gz |
| 19:51.44 | valdyn | RickyWh1: do you think that every .gz has to be text? |
| 19:51.49 | RickyWh1 | why not -? |
| 19:52.05 | valdyn | RickyWh1: more is a text viewer |
| 19:52.22 | RickyWh1 | ok so the README beginning portion of the file name hints at text .gz which is why you suggested zmore? |
| 19:52.25 | epsilon | man tar |
| 19:53.08 | epsilon | man gzip, man bzip, man more, man less |
| 19:53.10 | valdyn | RickyWh1: yes |
| 19:54.26 | RickyWh1 | k cool. ok so what is a leaf server? |
| 19:54.35 | dutchfish | bzip2 |
| 19:55.09 | epsilon | leaf server in which context? |
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| 19:55.58 | S3v3N | Hello guys. I'm using debian and I have a question which program is good to use it for mail server? |
| 19:56.17 | epsilon | exim, postfix... |
| 19:56.20 | dutchfish | !postfix |
| 19:56.20 | dpkg | postfix is probably a really cool MTA, which tries not to be too unlike <sendmail> so that its hard to get used to but is much better than sendmail or is at http://www.postfix.org/ or #postfix |
| 19:56.37 | RickyWh1 | in that /usr/share/doc/bind9/README.Debian.gz file, it has a sentance, "The Debian BIND package ships with a config that will work for the majority |
| 19:56.37 | RickyWh1 | of leaf servers with no user input required" |
| 19:56.51 | epsilon | or more simple MTA for small server |
| 19:57.00 | RickyWh1 | sorry, i'm having pains copying and pasting from putty window in here :S |
| 19:57.47 | epsilon | that no other dns server will bother you... more in bind |
| 19:57.50 | epsilon | #bind |
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| 19:58.00 | dutchfish | RickyWh1, why you dont use a debian desktop then ;) |
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| 19:59.51 | tarzeau | anyone here works on www.emdebian.org ? i'd like binaries of wget/curl for arm (no mmu) |
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| 19:59.55 | tarzeau | and of thttpd |
| 20:00.09 | abrotman | tarzeau: don't you think they have their own channel ? |
| 20:00.23 | tarzeau | abrotman: found it :) |
| 20:00.41 | tarzeau | !emdebian |
| 20:00.42 | dpkg | emdebian is, like, a project focused on extending Debian's reach into the embedded space; it is an independent project and not formally associated with the Debian distrobution [yet]. It aims to make Debian GNU/Linux a mainstream choice for embedded Linux. Check out http://www.emdebian.org/ as well as http://familiar.handhelds.org/ |
| 20:00.50 | tarzeau | !emdebian is also #emdebian on oftc |
| 20:00.50 | dpkg | okay, tarzeau |
| 20:01.23 | tarzeau | abrotman: you want a root shell on it? |
| 20:01.31 | abrotman | nope |
| 20:01.35 | tarzeau | hehe :) |
| 20:01.36 | abrotman | !remote shell |
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| 20:05.19 | MOTU_ | where can i find glibc-2.7-1? need it for installing locales |
| 20:05.24 | dutchfish | why is gksu triggering so much wake ups in powertop, if i kill it i save 2 - 3 watts per station, go figure out how much that would save if every debian ws would save that? |
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| 20:07.25 | eth01 | what protection can i use for my debian etch box, to stop flood packets or of the like? |
| 20:07.47 | heatman | Hello. Could someone tell me what kind of link i needed to tie a directory to another? I want to be able to be able to access my second hdd from /home/user instead of going thru root path |
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| 20:08.05 | dutchfish | eth01, man sysctl.conf |
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| 20:08.50 | dutchfish | eth01, and sysctl -a |
| 20:09.28 | eth01 | way too fiddly. |
| 20:09.37 | dutchfish | :) |
| 20:09.43 | dutchfish | heatman, softlink? |
| 20:10.28 | mogra | if it's the second hdd, why not just mount it there? |
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| 20:13.11 | Elad3 | how can I use: grep "-something" with '-' on the first ? |
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| 20:14.02 | asg | Elad3: grep -- -foo |
| 20:14.43 | Elad3 | asg, thanks :)) |
| 20:14.49 | asg | you're welcome |
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| 20:17.12 | johndoevodka | does anybody know where i can download lenny? |
| 20:17.28 | abrotman | !d-i |
| 20:17.28 | dpkg | Etch 4.0r0 is now the "Stable" debian release (April 8, 2007) see http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/debian-installer/ for images. Sarge is still available at http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/debian-installer/ Developers page is http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ .. If you want to make custom install cds, start with d-i. IRC: oftc.net: #debian-boot. Lenny is now the new Testing! |
| 20:17.28 | johndoevodka | there seems to be something wrong on http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ |
| 20:17.35 | abrotman | that is the lenny d-i |
| 20:17.43 | abrotman | wehat's wrong with it? |
| 20:17.56 | abrotman | http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/daily-builds/daily/arch-latest/i386/iso-cd/debian-testing-i386-netinst.iso |
| 20:18.00 | johndoevodka | they removed the download links for almost all of the releases |
| 20:18.10 | abrotman | lenny hasn't been released |
| 20:18.28 | epsilon | is the relese after lenny already named? |
| 20:18.32 | johndoevodka | sid |
| 20:18.32 | abrotman | no |
| 20:18.39 | abrotman | sid is never ever released |
| 20:19.01 | abrotman | johndoevodka: what exactly are you looking for? |
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| 20:19.25 | joneskoo | simonrvn: urh. but I mean, there has to be a proper way to set the default locale, right? isn't there? |
| 20:19.26 | johndoevodka | for a debian testing CD/DVD iso possibly amd64 |
| 20:19.47 | joneskoo | does every user need to configure locales theirselves (or is it expected everyone's ssh client sends the LC_* eventually) |
| 20:19.51 | abrotman | the netinst isn't good enough ? |
| 20:20.02 | RickyWh1 | dutchfish, i don't want to use debian desktop because i want to be a CLI masta of disasta |
| 20:20.07 | RickyWh1 | in ten years that is |
| 20:20.18 | johndoevodka | abrotman: it is, but i want a amd64 one :-) |
| 20:20.20 | abrotman | johndoevodka: use the netinst .. it's there |
| 20:20.28 | abrotman | http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/daily-builds/daily/arch-latest/amd64/iso-cd/ |
| 20:20.36 | johndoevodka | thanks man |
| 20:20.42 | johndoevodka | i guess im retarded :-/ |
| 20:20.54 | dutchfish | RickyWh1, well i use actually both, depending on what i am doing ... |
| 20:21.01 | abrotman | must be those guys from hungary ... |
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| 20:21.15 | abrotman | doh .. .hr isn't hungary |
| 20:21.23 | johndoevodka | hahaha |
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| 20:22.10 | dutchfish | !comfort abrotman |
| 20:22.10 | dpkg | There, there, abrotman. It's OK. I'm here for you. |
| 20:22.17 | simonrvn | joneskoo: sure, set it in shell rc files in ~/; say .bash_profile or .bashrc for instance, put export LC_foo="en_US.UTF-8" (if you're a USian) |
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| 20:22.38 | joneskoo | I'm not, but I think that locale is good enoughâ„¢ default anyways |
| 20:22.54 | joneskoo | I dislike (poorly) translated programs and manuals |
| 20:22.56 | simonrvn | well you get the idea |
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| 20:23.26 | simonrvn | (i put en_CA.UTF-8 because that's how a i spell shit in english) |
| 20:23.29 | abrotman | help translate! |
| 20:23.45 | joneskoo | simonrvn: I had expected locales to be set to sane defaults by the system |
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| 20:24.04 | joneskoo | I doubt each user wants to configure this by their selves (even if each user would only mean myself :) |
| 20:24.07 | johndoevodka | why? i think english should be THE language |
| 20:24.26 | jelly-home | simonrvn: en_CA, eh? |
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| 20:24.33 | joneskoo | johndoevodka: it's not a matter of the language |
| 20:24.47 | joneskoo | johndoevodka: UTF-8 vs. some legacy encodings |
| 20:24.49 | m4st3r-y0d4 | Hi |
| 20:24.53 | Soekisan | geez, I cant make the system use the ppp0 as default route now :( |
| 20:25.15 | joneskoo | with POSIX locale I think irssi is not behaving correctly - most likely screen could be better as well |
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| 20:25.29 | m4st3r-y0d4 | men, I've no sound |
| 20:25.37 | m4st3r-y0d4 | No se han encontrado complementos y/o dispositivos control de volumen de GStreamer. |
| 20:26.18 | chops | !es |
| 20:26.18 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 20:26.19 | jelly-home | !es |
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| 20:26.39 | CppIsWeird | is there any way to connect computers faster then gigabit connector thats in PCI, PCI-X, PCIe? |
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| 20:26.53 | abrotman | myrinet maybe? |
| 20:26.54 | jelly-home | CppIsWeird: _two_ gigabit connectors! |
| 20:26.57 | dutchfish | CppIsWeird, yes |
| 20:27.05 | abrotman | infiniband! |
| 20:27.17 | jelly-home | CppIsWeird: there's 10gig, infiniband, and stuff |
| 20:27.18 | dutchfish | abrotman, exactly |
| 20:27.19 | chops | CppIsWeird: What are you trying to do? |
| 20:27.21 | CppIsWeird | dutchfish, can you elaborate or provide searchabl terms |
| 20:27.23 | abrotman | CppIsWeird: and what the hell are you tranfering? |
| 20:27.27 | abrotman | transferring |
| 20:27.31 | CppIsWeird | *searchable |
| 20:27.48 | abrotman | CppIsWeird: i just gave you two .. though i don't know their actual throughput .. or status of linux drivers |
| 20:27.54 | aixenv | guys, i hav a server that vmstat shows 0 cpu idle.. runs mysql, apache, sendmail, sendmail is stopped atm, still 0 cpu idle,...nothing out of ordinary on top... apache server-status looks ok.. nothing like a runaway script.. live server.. mysql has been restarted .. any ideas? |
| 20:27.55 | CppIsWeird | i'd like to know as many as possible so that i can research them. |
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| 20:28.17 | jelly-home | fun facts: I'll be bonding 4 1gig cards on my next backup machine |
| 20:28.26 | dutchfish | CppIsWeird, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/InfiniBand |
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| 20:28.43 | CppIsWeird | yeah, digesting that now. thanks. :) |
| 20:28.45 | abrotman | and Myrinet |
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| 20:28.48 | abrotman | and 10GbE |
| 20:29.02 | jelly-home | ... and bonding :-P |
| 20:29.09 | abrotman | though .. using channel bonding with Gb cards might be far less expensive |
| 20:29.14 | dutchfish | 12x quad jummy 96Gb/sec |
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| 20:29.24 | bonez39 | needing help installing openoffice...I get it in .rpm format..and run 'alien -i *.rpm' to convert them all to .deb, but they don't convert..... |
| 20:29.26 | abrotman | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_device_bandwidths#Local_area_network |
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| 20:29.41 | chops | bonez39: aptitude install openoffice-writer? |
| 20:30.05 | chops | bonez39: Er openoffice.org-writer rather |
| 20:30.16 | jelly-home | abrotman: and here I thought there was no place for List_of_foo articles in a encyclopaedia wannabe |
| 20:30.17 | bonez39 | chops: but the package I downloaded has ALL the oo components...the core plus all the elements.... |
| 20:30.33 | chops | bonez39: So does Debian, and it'll be a hell of a lot easier to install and also likely work better. |
| 20:30.38 | bonez39 | chops: I'd like to install it all, and not just piecemeal... |
| 20:30.47 | chops | bonez39: Okay. Have fun with that! :-) |
| 20:30.48 | abrotman | jelly-home: i didn't make it .. don't blame me |
| 20:30.54 | bonez39 | sigh |
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| 20:31.04 | CppIsWeird | abrotman, thanks for that link |
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| 20:31.06 | joneskoo | on one etch host LANG is set for each user logging in by default from /etc/default/locale I think |
| 20:31.09 | abrotman | bonez39: openoffice is in debian |
| 20:31.11 | jelly-home | abrotman: no, I meant that non-ironically ;-) |
| 20:31.15 | abrotman | i konw |
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| 20:31.17 | joneskoo | for some reason it doesn't get set on my host |
| 20:31.31 | Soekisan | hey abrotman i got the modem to connect and dial up but now i cant make the system use the ppp0 instead of eth0 for internet, even though i ifconfig eth0 down and edited /etc/network/interfaces removing the gateway 192.168.0.1 from it. what am i missing? |
| 20:31.33 | joneskoo | auth required pam_env.so envfile=/etc/default/locale |
| 20:31.42 | CppIsWeird | im so gonna be sporting some LocalTalk |
| 20:31.46 | joneskoo | I thought that should set it (/etc/pam.d/ssh) |
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| 20:32.04 | chops | bonez39: Look, we gave you the software all packaged up, with a single command that you run to download, install, and set it up. What do you want? A puppy? If you'd rather do it differently, by all means go ahead. |
| 20:32.08 | bonez39 | abrotman: all the packages that resulted from 'tar zvfx' on the oo package are *.rpm files....how are they then .deb debian? |
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| 20:32.17 | abrotman | bonez39: apt-cache search openoffice |
| 20:32.37 | abrotman | Soekisan: tell the pppd to alter your default route |
| 20:32.44 | bonez39 | sheesh...sorry I asked here |
| 20:32.45 | dutchfish | libpam-modules |
| 20:32.47 | abrotman | Soekisan: man pppd (i used to use pppconfig) |
| 20:32.49 | abrotman | bonez39: ? |
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| 20:33.02 | abrotman | bonez39: i believe the metapacage is openoffice.org |
| 20:33.33 | bonez39 | abrotman: but is it 2.3? I have 2.0.3 already...but want to latest one.... |
| 20:33.47 | simonrvn | joneskoo: /etc/environment, but i can't recall if ssh reads that |
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| 20:33.51 | simonrvn | jelly-home: yeh |
| 20:33.57 | Soekisan | abrotman something like pppd defaultroute |
| 20:34.06 | joneskoo | simonrvn: comments in pam.d/ssh say it was changed to /etc/default/locale |
| 20:34.08 | joneskoo | in etch |
| 20:34.17 | abrotman | bonez39: OH .. sorry .. missed that bit .. check backports.org |
| 20:34.18 | simonrvn | you can set pppd to set up the default route for ya |
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| 20:34.19 | joneskoo | can I configure ntpd to bind to only one interface (even address :: or 0.0.0.0), now it binds separately to each interface. looks annoying in lsof -ni |
| 20:34.24 | simonrvn | joneskoo: oh ok |
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| 20:34.43 | chops | bonez39: 2.3 is in sid, not sure about stable or testing. /msg dpkg info openoffice.org |
| 20:34.49 | simonrvn | joneskoo: it's bound once, displays twice |
| 20:35.07 | abrotman | bpo has 2.2 |
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| 20:35.23 | simonrvn | some just show up in {tcp,udp}6 |
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| 20:36.08 | simonrvn | crap. i used to be able to write ok-working mod_rewrite rules... |
| 20:36.29 | abrotman | and then you became canadian! |
| 20:36.35 | dutchfish | thats weird gksu seams to have a 100uS loop, that cant be right ... |
| 20:36.41 | joneskoo | simonrvn: ntpd? urh |
| 20:37.08 | joneskoo | root@hansu:/etc# lsof -ni:ntp|wc -l: 13 |
| 20:37.11 | dutchfish | mm... gone change that to 100mS, seams to be more adequate |
| 20:37.49 | bonez39 | abrotman: and chops thanks.... |
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| 20:39.19 | xingu | dutchfish: known-known, documented on the powertop site |
| 20:39.44 | dutchfish | xingu, ah ok, is it already patched? |
| 20:40.02 | dutchfish | xingu, at least not in etch or lenny |
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| 20:40.40 | xingu | dutchfish: not so far |
| 20:40.43 | ChaosR | how do I make a logged in X server thingy with another user than root |
| 20:40.46 | dutchfish | xingu, oki |
| 20:40.48 | ChaosR | it's for vnc |
| 20:40.53 | ChaosR | on my server |
| 20:40.53 | xingu | dutchfish: http://www.lesswatts.org/projects/powertop/known.php |
| 20:40.59 | chops | bonez39: np |
| 20:41.05 | dutchfish | xingu, bow politely :) |
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| 20:42.00 | valdyn | ChaosR: by running your vncserver as someone not root |
| 20:42.26 | ChaosR | valdyn: one problem, I run vnc inside the current session, because it needs to be logged in permanently |
| 20:42.48 | ChaosR | valdyn: currently I use x11vnc with the option --forever for this |
| 20:42.49 | valdyn | ChaosR: where is the problem? |
| 20:43.02 | ChaosR | valdyn: I can only do "startx" with the root user |
| 20:43.30 | valdyn | ChaosR: you could use a plain vnc server that is only accessible via vnc or ... |
| 20:43.53 | valdyn | ChaosR: run "dpkg-reconfigure x11-common" |
| 20:44.10 | xingu | valdyn: he could just run a vnc display under gdm too ;) |
| 20:44.49 | dutchfish | xingu, last 1, do you know by chance if R200 microcode has changed in 2.6.23.9? |
| 20:44.53 | ChaosR | xingu: tell me how, because the vnc shutsdown when I log in |
| 20:45.07 | ChaosR | vnc server* |
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| 20:45.50 | valdyn | ChaosR: vino is probably what you want to use too, if you run gnome |
| 20:46.30 | ChaosR | valdyn: if I remember correctly, I run blackbox |
| 20:46.56 | ChaosR | it's a server, im not going to run some bloated gui |
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| 20:47.18 | valdyn | ChaosR: i wouldnt run X locally at all then |
| 20:47.23 | xingu | ChaosR: you just start Xvnc as if it were /usr/bin/X, nothing particularly tricky about it |
| 20:47.33 | valdyn | ChaosR: so xvncserver would be the right thing, or tightvncserver, whatever |
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| 20:47.46 | ChaosR | ... |
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| 20:48.19 | ChaosR | I need the session to continue after I disconnect, and I haven't been able to do that with something other than x11vnc |
| 20:48.37 | valdyn | ChaosR: those 2 programs I listed do that. |
| 20:48.43 | valdyn | ChaosR: by default. |
| 20:48.50 | piko | Hi, I would like to install myself modem (probably win) on my laptop, but I do not know which one it is and the recommended (sl-modem) does not seem to be available for amd64. Could anyone comment on it? |
| 20:49.44 | piko | valdyn: sorry, I just came in, which programs have you mentionned? |
| 20:49.52 | piko | I as as it is interesting for me |
| 20:49.58 | valdyn | piko: vncserver |
| 20:50.04 | valdyn | piko: or tightvncserver |
| 20:50.10 | valdyn | piko: no idea how those are even different |
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| 20:50.34 | valdyn | piko: what ChaosR's isue is concerned, they behave the same |
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| 20:50.39 | piko | valdyn: ah, ok, but note thode do not provide eg opengl graphics afaik |
| 20:50.51 | valdyn | piko: right |
| 20:50.52 | ChaosR | valdyn: how would I start the vncserver |
| 20:51.06 | piko | valdyn: yes, perhaps yes, tightvncserver supports also tight compression which seems to be best I used |
| 20:51.07 | valdyn | ChaosR: you just run "vncserver" |
| 20:51.13 | edistar | can someone help me getting my cd burner going? I have an asus laptop and I am trying to burn a cd with 'burn'.. it won't recognize the cds that I put in as empty.. just ejects them again |
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| 20:51.57 | piko | edistar: the package is named burn? |
| 20:51.58 | ChaosR | valdyn: great, this doesn't work |
| 20:52.04 | valdyn | ChaosR: and you might want to create an appropriate ~/.vnc/xstartup ( analogue to ~/.xsession |
| 20:52.17 | valdyn | ChaosR: why doesnt it? |
| 20:52.19 | piko | ChaosR: what have you tried precisely? |
| 20:52.27 | valdyn | !doesn't work |
| 20:52.27 | dpkg | Look buddy, "doesn't work" is a vague statement. Does it sit on the couch all day long? Does it procrastinate doing the dishes? Does it beg on the street for change? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. Give us more details so we can help you without needing to ask basic questions like "what's the error message". |
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| 20:53.16 | edistar | piko: yes |
| 20:53.19 | piko | anyone here could help finding out which modem is on T61? |
| 20:53.30 | dutchfish | edistar, is this console or desktop, wich desktop? |
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| 20:53.36 | valdyn | piko: its a sound card that should be listed in lspci, most likely |
| 20:53.38 | piko | edistar: do you have any special reason for using it? |
| 20:53.41 | ChaosR | valdyn: what stuff does blackbox start |
| 20:53.53 | edistar | piko: no, it's textbased, thats all |
| 20:54.03 | edistar | dutchfish: console, well, fluxbox |
| 20:54.07 | piko | edistar: ok, wait a second |
| 20:54.16 | valdyn | ChaosR: put "exec /path/to/blackbox" into the last line of ~/.vnc/xstartup |
| 20:54.22 | valdyn | ChaosR: and make that file executable |
| 20:54.30 | ChaosR | valdyn: where is blackbox... |
| 20:54.32 | deego | This morning, I learned that apt-get is no longer the preferred command-line tool (aptitude is).. I wonder if I should go a step further and switch to wajig or feta instead of aptitude.. |
| 20:54.57 | valdyn | ChaosR: what `which blackbox` |
| 20:55.01 | valdyn | ChaosR: at `which blackbox` |
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| 20:55.33 | valdyn | deego: no. |
| 20:55.41 | valdyn | deego: that is not a "step further" |
| 20:56.18 | dutchfish | edistar, i use : cdrecord -v speed=4 dev=/dev/cdrom myiso.iso |
| 20:56.33 | deego | But, I can't seem to decide.. - It seems that wajig and feta still use apt-cache search instead of aptitute search as their backends.. for example.. |
| 20:56.38 | deego | valdyn: can you elaborate? |
| 20:56.41 | edistar | dutchfish: do I need to mount my cd that I want to burn then? |
| 20:56.49 | dutchfish | edistar, nope |
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| 20:57.06 | edistar | dutchfish: just tell it to use /dev/cdrom even if nothing is mounted ther? |
| 20:57.09 | piko | edistar: I used I think bashburn which was running |
| 20:57.11 | valdyn | deego: those tools are not even supposed to be advanced "aptitudes" |
| 20:57.29 | dutchfish | edistar, /dev/cdrom or /dev/yourdvd |
| 20:57.41 | piko | edistar: can not be mounted if it is not burned ... |
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| 20:58.06 | edistar | piko: yeah, thats why I wondered why I needed to say /media/cdrom and not /dev/whatever |
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| 20:58.24 | edistar | piko: mybashburn? |
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| 20:59.12 | dutchfish | edistar, look at your fstab and /dev/hdx sometimes /dev/hdb |
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| 20:59.27 | DexterF | hi |
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| 21:00.10 | DexterF | I suspect a file to be corrupted by an xfs error - can I check that file precisely? |
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| 21:01.25 | chops | DexterF: With fsck.xfs you mean? |
| 21:01.25 | Shaze | hello kids, i have a newb networking question... |
| 21:01.31 | edistar | dutchfish: ok |
| 21:01.39 | chops | DexterF: (I assume you don't have another copy of the file you can compare to :-/) |
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| 21:01.55 | Shaze | how do i add a DNS entry to my net config? |
| 21:02.20 | DexterF | chops: no, rather with the xfs tools. just not too good with them. I know I can lookup the xfs db somehow, but not sure |
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| 21:02.31 | edistar | Shaze: /etc/resolv.con |
| 21:02.35 | Shaze | i tried resovconf -a ath0 nameserver 192.168.0.1. is that correct? |
| 21:02.46 | Shaze | eth, i mean |
| 21:03.00 | n3kl | I have replaced a faulty drive in my md raid and the system is not recognizing that the device is plugged in. How can I "rescan" the devices or tell the system to look again? |
| 21:03.46 | chops | DexterF: fsck.xfs is an xfs tool, but I'm not familiar with how to use it. My guess is that there's not an xfs tool that's capable of checking an individual file like that, but I'm not sure. I, also, have generally had good luck with ext3 (he said, foolishly tempting the fates...). |
| 21:03.55 | Shaze | @edistar. It says in resolv.conf that i shouldnt edit this file,as it is overwritten by resolvconfig |
| 21:03.56 | ravenbird | Shaze: I think you lost me on that one |
| 21:03.56 | abrotman | there is a #xfs |
| 21:04.05 | abrotman | Shaze: stop using @ at the beginning of the line |
| 21:04.13 | jelly-home | n3kl: does your controller support hotplugging? |
| 21:04.16 | Shaze | k |
| 21:04.19 | abrotman | thanks |
| 21:04.29 | n3kl | jelly-home: perhaps not. How can I know? |
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| 21:04.51 | jelly-home | n3kl: it ought to be in the specs |
| 21:05.02 | mogra | blah, ##windows, what good is a support room where you can't make cynical remarks? |
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| 21:05.38 | DexterF | mogra: is that a ##fanboi forward? ;) |
| 21:05.43 | piko | edistar: could be, I am not sure, it is already some time ago |
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| 21:06.05 | jelly-home | n3kl: if the controller supports hotplug, and looks like a scsi controller (scsi or sata), you can use scsiadd script from the same package |
| 21:06.12 | n3kl | jelly-home: its on onboard, so It may not. You think thats why its not showing up again? |
| 21:06.17 | piko | valdyn: I have Intel 82801 ICH chipset |
| 21:06.22 | jelly-home | n3kl: no. |
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| 21:06.28 | DexterF | chops: xfs perf is killer, but there where some serious issues around 2.6.16 and with the tools from that time... long story |
| 21:06.38 | mogra | DexterF: I think so... I was in there because I had a legit question, got my answer, and someone asked a question I knew the answer to. I responded and they said "I don't like that answer", so I said "You asked for alternatives, not good ones" |
| 21:06.39 | piko | valdyn: could you guess or point to somewhere where one could find appropriate modem driver? |
| 21:06.43 | mogra | then I got "That is not appropriate here" |
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| 21:07.16 | jelly-home | n3kl: even if your controller supports disk hotplugging, depending on the driver you might need to nudge it. |
| 21:07.25 | jelly-home | n3kl: the simplest tihng to do is reboot |
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| 21:07.42 | DexterF | mogra: there's advice on windows people like? I don't think so :) |
| 21:08.01 | mogra | :) |
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| 21:08.05 | n3kl | jelly-home: the scsiadd script is the nudge you are talking about? |
| 21:08.09 | thun_ | how do you run the command line network config tool in deb? |
| 21:08.12 | mogra | I'm comfy back in here, better geekspeakers. |
| 21:08.35 | dutchfish | thun_, ifconfig ? |
| 21:08.37 | jelly-home | n3kl: it can ask the driver to rescan the devices, yes. |
| 21:08.48 | Shaze | So, i add "nameserver 192.168.0.1" to /etc/resolv.conf? thats it? |
| 21:09.01 | n3kl | jelly-home: its an nv_sata driver |
| 21:09.01 | karsten_ | On booting a Sun v40z system, the GRUB menu display is corrupted with vertical and horizontal lines, virtually unreadable. Any suggestions? |
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| 21:09.18 | chops | mogra: Cynicism does tend to build on itself sometimes; I've had regulars on #debian be uncalled-for-ly rude to me before. I think it's because being unpolite to people becomes a habit that becomes easy. There's a balance to be struck, certainly. |
| 21:10.09 | chops | mogra: It's a real problem when people asking for help get rude because they think somehow they'll get better help that way, of course. |
| 21:10.16 | dutchfish | thun_, or man interfaces |
| 21:10.17 | mogra | chops: I answered his question, and even added a smiley to my cynical comment that responded to his displeasure to my large list of "alternatives". |
| 21:10.18 | thun_ | dutchfish: isnt there some tool that setups the config scripts |
| 21:10.24 | thun_ | i can use ifconfig well |
| 21:10.31 | mogra | How ist hat not nice? I added a SMILEY XD |
| 21:10.35 | jelly-home | n3kl: I have no experience with it |
| 21:10.45 | thun_ | but i remember some half gui command line interface that updates all the init scripts |
| 21:10.52 | thun_ | and interfaces files |
| 21:11.16 | dutchfish | !interfaces |
| 21:11.17 | dpkg | Your network configuration is in the file /etc/network/interfaces ; "man 5 interfaces" for docs, (zless /usr/share/doc/ifupdown/examples/network-interfaces.gz for an example). start and stop your networking with ifup -a and ifdown -a respectively. See also <dhcp client> read "man resolv.conf" for DNS also ask me about <static route> |
| 21:11.20 | n3kl | jelly-home: is it silly to run rain on ide? |
| 21:11.25 | RickyWh1 | does the default bind9 install supposed to come with a pid-file line in the options for your named.conf? |
| 21:11.32 | RickyWh1 | mine doesn't :S |
| 21:11.48 | thun_ | ty |
| 21:11.50 | thun_ | !static route |
| 21:11.50 | dpkg | To add a static route in Debian, just put "up route add -net ...." in the appropriate interface's stanza in /etc/network/interfaces |
| 21:11.56 | jelly-home | n3kl: it's a low budget solution, and better than no raid at all |
| 21:12.35 | n3kl | jelly-home: I am out of sata ports on this machine. Is it best to seperate the devices on different channels? |
| 21:13.02 | jelly-home | n3kl: PATA devices? Definitely. |
| 21:14.21 | chops | mogra: See also http://www.penny-arcade.com/comic/2004/03/19 (warning: profanity) |
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| 21:14.53 | mogra | :) |
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| 21:22.37 | dutchfish | chops, http://en.tiraecol.net/modules/comic/comic.php?content_id=249&mode=flat&order=0 |
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| 21:27.31 | levon | hey guys how are you? i need some assistance i have a older laptop that lags really bad with my os its mepis 6.5 i was wondering what would run real sweet on this computer? and if i can help out by showing you what hardware i have i would need a grep command to list my cpu info ram info and my wireless card is nice atheros so that should be detected no problems. |
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| 21:29.21 | Maulkin | levon: well, try just Debian. |
| 21:29.44 | levon | maulkin could ya help with the info list? |
| 21:29.55 | levon | i think i have a 386 processor im not sure |
| 21:30.20 | maxamillion | levon: i don't think that you have a 386 with wireless |
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| 21:30.54 | dutchfish | cat /proc/cpuinfo |
| 21:30.57 | sepski | levon, cat /proc/cpuinfo, cat /proc/meminfo, lspci |
| 21:31.02 | levon | maxamillion its pcmia |
| 21:31.09 | levon | airlink |
| 21:32.11 | gooph | hi |
| 21:32.26 | levon | cat: /proc/cpuinfo,: No such file or directory |
| 21:32.32 | Maulkin | mepis isn't even based on Debian |
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| 21:32.52 | levon | aww lol okay |
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| 21:33.02 | feklee | How do I reinstall packages that are put on hold? (i.e. I do *not* want the newer version) |
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| 21:33.05 | Maulkin | Not directly, anyway. |
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| 21:33.12 | levon | ipu MHz : 398.272 |
| 21:33.25 | levon | Mobile Pentium II |
| 21:33.34 | chops | levon: Laptops are traditionally a bit hard to get any sort of Linux to work on, but Debian does often work well if you're willing to fiddle. Downloading a Debian or Ubuntu live CD might give you a more painless way to see how well it'll be supported out-of-box than doing an installation. |
| 21:33.39 | jelly-home | levon: great cpu for its time |
| 21:33.50 | chops | levon: As long as you don't download Ubuntu and then ask for help for it in #debian :-) |
| 21:33.54 | dutchfish | levon, http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/installmanual |
| 21:33.58 | Maulkin | levon: try running with XFCE rather than kde |
| 21:34.06 | gooph | what do u think about gnew sense? |
| 21:34.07 | levon | mem total 255100 kB |
| 21:34.25 | levon | chops sounds good i think ill stay with debian |
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| 21:34.26 | chops | levon: Yeah, you definitely want XFCE/fluxbox/some such rather than KDE |
| 21:34.40 | levon | yep |
| 21:34.43 | feklee | Hm, just reinstalling with dpkg did the trick - so I'm all set. |
| 21:34.58 | levon | i figured taht much and i tried to set some kind of swap up but its not using it |
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| 21:35.27 | levon | my last paste Ethernet controller: Atheros Communications, Inc. AR5212 802.11abg |
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| 21:36.00 | levon | so ill download all of the debian cds does it include everything ill need? |
| 21:36.10 | Maulkin | levon: no need, hang on |
| 21:36.15 | levon | maulkin k |
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| 21:36.20 | dutchfish | !netinstall |
| 21:36.20 | dpkg | i guess netinst is a small CD or set of floppy images which installs Debian using an Internet connection, see http://www.debian.org/CD/netinst/ If you use a dialup connection, ask me about <dialup install>. |
| 21:36.55 | levon | maulkin that one netinstall? |
| 21:37.36 | Maulkin | levon: try http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/4.0_r1/i386/iso-cd/debian-40r1-i386-xfce-CD-1.iso |
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| 21:37.50 | Maulkin | That will install xfce by default |
| 21:37.51 | levon | maulkin thank you |
| 21:38.06 | ErkiDerLoony | Hi! Is there a possibility to show all the packages that have the flag "manually installed"? |
| 21:38.08 | Maulkin | You may or may not (probably not) need the others |
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| 21:38.35 | Maulkin | ErkiDerLoony: in aptitude? possibly. man aptitude |
| 21:38.36 | levon | :) |
| 21:39.05 | levon | thank you maulkin and dutchfish and jelly-home, chops for all the help |
| 21:39.28 | Maulkin | levon: if xfce still doesn't work, come back. There's more options |
| 21:39.34 | levon | :) |
| 21:40.05 | ErkiDerLoony | Hm. |
| 21:40.07 | levon | ill stay in this channel for a bit im going to download this on another computer burn the cd and see how it works |
| 21:40.19 | ErkiDerLoony | I just find a way to set packages to manually installed. |
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| 21:41.38 | techrush | im able to bring up my wireless under debian using the command "ifup eth1 |
| 21:41.45 | techrush | is tehre a way i can automate this on boot ? |
| 21:41.56 | stew | techrush: add "auto eth1" to /etc/network/interfaces |
| 21:42.03 | techrush | thanks |
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| 21:45.30 | piko | Ok, I read some info about softmodems, it seems that I could make running my modem with hsfmodem, unfortunately it does not seem to provide x86_64 drivers. Could anyone avdise? |
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| 21:46.12 | Maulkin | piko: use x86_32? |
| 21:46.16 | abrotman | !winmodem |
| 21:46.17 | dpkg | GPL driver and info can be found in http://www-124.ibm.com/acpmodem/ http://www.linmodems.org or http://linux.nf/lesbell.htm or here is a black list of known to be winmodems: http://start.at/modem/ and http://www.idir.net/~gromitkc/winmodem.html See also: winmodem-trick, or a 3Com/USRobotics trademark, or see <slmodem> |
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| 21:46.49 | do | aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa |
| 21:46.49 | piko | Maulkin: you mean architecture for linux? |
| 21:47.10 | piko | abrotman: nice, unfortunately sl-modem-source |
| 21:47.21 | piko | does not seem to be prese nt for AMD64 |
| 21:47.36 | do | aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa |
| 21:47.41 | piko | do: sorry? |
| 21:47.46 | Ronin | !ops do is doing a lame flood attempt |
| 21:47.46 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: ronin complains about: do is doing a lame flood attempt |
| 21:47.50 | jelly-home | piko: so is it hsfmodem (closed, Linuxant's driver) or sl-modem-source? |
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| 21:49.07 | piko | jelly-home: I was not sure, the 82801H seems to run with hsfmodem (was reported), in other howto I saw info that sl-modem could run this so i tried it before (not present for AMD64 in deb) |
| 21:49.34 | piko | jelly-home: after scanModem it seems that hsfmodem is the one |
| 21:50.33 | sdubois92 | I had madwifi installed and working, i rebooted and now it doesnt work |
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| 21:50.44 | sdubois92 | wireless doesnt show up in the network menu |
| 21:50.50 | jelly-home | piko: I guess if linuxant doesn't have a build for x86-64 yet, you'll need to install i386 debian if you want the modem to work |
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| 21:51.25 | Lycus | Hmm have Lenny upgrades become less frequent? |
| 21:52.08 | bucky | hi rob how goes it |
| 21:52.27 | Maulkin | levon: could be due to transitions |
| 21:52.33 | jelly-home | piko: fwiw I see a .tar.gz for x86_64 on http://www.linuxant.com/drivers/hsf/full/downloads.php |
| 21:52.34 | rob | hi bucky, pretty good, yourself? |
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| 21:54.34 | sandman | I noticed that KompoZer is not in the Debian repos... is there an equivelant which is as usable?: |
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| 21:56.08 | abrotman | sandman: you've been asking about this for days .. WTF is kompozer? |
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| 21:56.46 | sandman | Have I been? It's an open-source WYSIWYG app for web development, like Adobe Dreamweaver |
| 21:57.02 | abrotman | bluefish or nvu or mozilla composer |
| 21:57.03 | bucky | isn't that the mail client for konquorer |
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| 21:57.14 | jelly-home | why not just build it from source? |
| 21:57.19 | sdubois92 | Kompozer is based on nvu |
| 21:57.19 | abrotman | but if you can't write HTML .. please don't put stuff on the web .. kthx :) |
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| 21:58.26 | Ronin | heh very true abrotman |
| 21:58.27 | bucky | sandman, there's a deb right here http://www.kompozer.net/download.php |
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| 21:58.54 | abrotman | !be an internet barbie |
| 21:58.54 | dpkg | editing config files by hand is so HARD! |
| 21:58.58 | abrotman | okay |
| 21:59.34 | abrotman | i apparently had 'ee' installed on an old server as a text editor |
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| 22:01.32 | piko | jelly-home: ah, sorry I have overlooked it |
| 22:01.36 | piko | jelly-home: thanks |
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| 22:12.26 | FastPutty | is ti possible to make a small home network with wireless conenction like windows under debian6 |
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| 22:12.37 | FastPutty | making my laptop work like a router |
| 22:12.39 | FastPutty | wireless |
| 22:12.45 | n3kl | Anyone know if onboard sata or pci sata will be detected first? OR, can I manually set the device names given so that if I add a device in the future, it does not throw off my current configuration. |
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| 22:13.27 | kgoetz | n3kl: it would usually do onboar first afaik |
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| 22:14.08 | n3kl | kgoetz: I would think so too, but I wasn't sure. Thanks |
| 22:14.14 | Soeki | w00t icf like iptables config |
| 22:14.17 | Soeki | ;o |
| 22:14.52 | n3kl | kgoetz: I ordered that book you mentioned last night |
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| 22:15.19 | kgoetz | n3kl: cool. i quite liked it. ESR says some intereting things |
| 22:15.54 | n3kl | kgoetz: ps, I am not a troll ;) |
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| 22:16.27 | kgoetz | n3kl: :) |
| 22:16.48 | curi | hi there. i got an server i can only access through ssh, for 6 month now. i installed lots of kernels, from 2.6.18 - 2.6.24-rc2 . With installation of the last one the servers filesystem was no more writeable. so i tried to boot one of the old kernels, and now.. the server doenst boot anymore. i cant see the bootscreen, but i can access an chroot shell... will be very happy about any ideas. thanks ! |
| 22:17.12 | Soeki | how can i make the wvdial dial the connection on boottime and persist on it? |
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| 22:20.44 | karsten | Soeki: sysvinit, or @boot in cron |
| 22:21.05 | karsten | Soeki: I'd use a SysV init scrip m'self. |
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| 22:23.19 | tarzeau | !qotd0 |
| 22:23.20 | dpkg | <d0ugie> kickin it real on efnet, doing takeovers on #hack manually, typing really fast to mode -o everyone <sussudio> d0ugie: can you stop being a sad wanker? |
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| 22:24.11 | Soeki | karsten that looks like chinesse. im bad at scripting cuz i came from windows |
| 22:24.31 | Soeki | im actually surprised i could set up the winmodem heh |
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| 22:27.48 | bucky | Soeki, put auto lo iface lo inet wvdial provider defaults in /etc/network/interfaces |
| 22:27.50 | bucky | http://www.linuxforums.org/forum/linux-networking/70479-etc-network-interfaces-wvdial-method.html |
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| 22:30.25 | mgpaulus | Hello. I am trying to build kernel packages using debuild on a kernel source tree. It's working fine, but I would like to know how to multithread it, so that I can get the performance out of my AMD X2 that I know is there. |
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| 22:31.42 | Soeki | thanks bucky that looks like it could do the trick |
| 22:31.51 | abrotman | man kernel-pkg.conf .. CONCURRENCY_LEVEL |
| 22:32.55 | mgpaulus | I've tried several options, including 'debuild -e CONCURRENCY_LEVEL=5', but that still doesn't seem to do it. |
| 22:33.27 | simonrvn | make-kpkg not debuild |
| 22:34.35 | bucky | export CCFLAGS=-j4 ? |
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| 22:35.19 | abrotman | mgpaulus: if you use make-kpkg and set CONCURRENCY_LEVEL in /etc/kernel-pkg.conf or whatever it is .. it'll do it |
| 22:37.09 | mgpaulus | abrotman: I think debuild invokes make-kpkg (it lists make-kpkg as a build dependency), so I'll try editing /etc/kernel-pkg.conf |
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| 22:37.39 | abrotman | okay .. you do it however you want |
| 22:37.44 | reiseesel | hi there.. is anyone arround who has some experience with drm? i need a hint where to start searching why my system suddenly freezes when running opengl applications. i installed the dri driver using this http://rafb.net/p/VBNcSr88.html guide |
| 22:38.37 | mgpaulus | abrotman: I was trying to say thank you for the hint, but probably to obtusely. :-) |
| 22:38.55 | reiseesel | everything runs fine and smooth, fps is nice but suddenly it locks up the whole system. i cant even kill X |
| 22:39.00 | abrotman | mgpaulus: i'm not sure if it calls it or not .. but likely you want to use make-kpkg |
| 22:39.11 | marinosi | hello...My XPS laptop suspends to ram fine running 's2ram -f' .If I press Fn+Esc (the key compination) it fails propably because it executes s2ram without -f flag..Is there any way to map this key compination to 's2ram -f'? |
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| 22:39.47 | pythonic | hi! i've compiled a package with source from apt-source but now apt-get upgrade wants to install the original binary.. |
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| 22:42.42 | abrotman | !tell pythonic about hold |
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| 22:43.02 | marinosi | anyone has an idea? |
| 22:43.23 | abrotman | marinosi: why not just have it run a script? |
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| 22:43.34 | karsten | abrotman: it probably is. |
| 22:43.47 | abrotman | well .. that seems easy enough to fix ... |
| 22:43.52 | karsten | marinosi: Do you have some sort of hotkeys / laptop keys pacakge installed? Read the docs. |
| 22:44.23 | pythonic | abrotman: ok, thanks :-) can i also get email notification when there's a security fix on the package? |
| 22:44.31 | marinosi | I have hotkey-setup but it doesn't seem to have any configuration.. |
| 22:44.32 | abrotman | !dsa |
| 22:44.32 | dpkg | dsa is, like, Debian Security Announcement, see http://lists.debian.org/debian-security-announce/ Debian Sysadmin, the people you pester to install software and such on Debian Project computers, or fucking slow and never giving proper credits. unable to maintain a decent level of security on Debian Project computers, or lame |
| 22:44.44 | marinosi | it's a binary package |
| 22:44.47 | abrotman | cute ... |
| 22:44.49 | pythonic | oh, thanks! :-) |
| 22:44.55 | abrotman | pythonic: subscribe to the d-s-a list |
| 22:45.02 | abrotman | pythonic: there's also an RSS feed |
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| 22:45.42 | bobo79 | HELP!!WHATS WRONG?? iptables -A PREROUTING -i eth0 -p tcp -m tcp --dport 25 -j DNAT --to-destination 72.55.156.210:25 |
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| 22:46.20 | bucky | reiseesel, what does glxinfo | grep direct say? |
| 22:46.44 | abrotman | bobo79: #iptables |
| 22:49.00 | jngu1 | any way to apt-cache search files? |
| 22:49.14 | kgoetz | jngu1: apt-file |
| 22:49.28 | jngu1 | kgoetz: thanks. |
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| 22:49.31 | dkr | http://www.debian.org/distrib/packages#search_packages |
| 22:49.54 | karsten | jngu1: You can search for filenames w/ apt-file or (better, faster) auto-apt. |
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| 22:50.17 | jngu1 | karsten: thanks. |
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| 22:51.10 | reiseesel | bucky: as i sead, dri is running |
| 22:51.17 | reiseesel | s/sead/said |
| 22:51.50 | abrotman | i'm still trying to figure out why he's replacing kernel modules :0 |
| 22:51.55 | bucky | reiseesel, there's a ton of articles about it on google... it could be a couple of things |
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| 22:53.48 | phaidros | I know its the *other* debian, but I believe its a general apt problem I have ;) |
| 22:54.06 | phaidros | http://pastebin.ca/801042 .. I can neither update, reinstall nor remove a package .. |
| 22:54.12 | phaidros | how to deal with that ? |
| 22:54.33 | karsten | phaidros: Define "other" debian. |
| 22:54.37 | kgoetz | !tell phaidros about ubuntu |
| 22:54.38 | reiseesel | bucky: i just wondered if there was any kind of debugging option or smth that might point me the direction where to start... whell, lets google on.. thx |
| 22:54.46 | karsten | !tell phaidros about not debian |
| 22:54.46 | kgoetz | phaidros: and dont ask the same thing in multiple chanels at teh same time |
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| 22:54.49 | solar_sea | Today I upgraded my kernel to 2.6.22-2 from 2.6.18-4 and hurray - my gamepad started working. several hours later, it won't work, though nothing's changed/upgraded. and it works on xp. I'm puzzled 0_o |
| 22:55.11 | tarzeau | solar_sea: is that usb or gameport? |
| 22:55.14 | solar_sea | usb |
| 22:55.15 | tnks | I'm trying to understand how the hostname binary stores the hostname. It seems to be out of sync with /etc/hostname. |
| 22:55.16 | bucky | reiseesel, export LIBGL_DEBUG=verbose |
| 22:55.33 | solar_sea | detected as GreenAsia joystick |
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| 22:56.01 | tnks | does anybody know how to explain the difference between running /bin/hostname and setting /etc/hostname? |
| 22:56.26 | reiseesel | bucky: thx =) |
| 22:56.36 | bucky | phaidros, there are 1250 users in #ubumtoo ...you can't get an answer in there? |
| 22:56.51 | johndoe | does anybody have any experience with debian and acer aspire 7520 ? |
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| 22:57.19 | karsten | tnks: See man hostname(1) |
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| 22:57.46 | phaidros | bucky, I never got an answer to non-standard questions in that full channel |
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| 22:58.01 | phaidros | and: yes I *am* aware that debian and *buntu are not the same. |
| 22:58.14 | phaidros | and yes, I used to live in debian since 6 years ;) |
| 22:58.16 | streuner | johndoe: there are usually 20-30 users here activ at one time, why not just use "usenet" (groups.google.com)? |
| 22:58.24 | lindenle | Where do i get the developement headers for a kernel module i.e. the includes so i can build it? |
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| 22:58.33 | johndoe | streuner: thanks |
| 22:58.33 | ccfreak2k|laptop | Is there a package like glibc-compat in RedHat? |
| 22:58.38 | phaidros | so, but the question apt-related and I hope to get professional answers here :) |
| 22:58.44 | streuner | johndoe: if its a laptop just "/msg dpkg laptops" too |
| 22:59.04 | phaidros | if *buntu is involved in questions is something whcih is absolutely not tolerated here, I apologize ! |
| 22:59.10 | streuner | !ubuntu |
| 22:59.10 | dpkg | Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu (irc.freenode.net) instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. |
| 22:59.36 | kgoetz | phaidros: not-debian distros are not tollerated.. they are OT :) |
| 22:59.45 | bucky | johndoe, did you get it to install ? |
| 22:59.47 | karsten | tnks: It's actually a kernel attribute, see /proc/sys/net/hostname |
| 22:59.57 | karsten | !tell johndoe about polls. |
| 23:00.01 | johndoe | bucky: yes, but i cant get the graphical drivers working |
| 23:00.32 | streuner | johndoe: show us the whole output of "lspci -v" in paste.debian.net please |
| 23:00.46 | phaidros | kgoetz: ok |
| 23:01.08 | streuner | johndoe: did you try just "VESA" first, in order to get a first result? |
| 23:01.18 | johndoe | streuner: nope |
| 23:01.29 | karsten | lindenle: install the appropriate kernel-headers package. |
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| 23:01.49 | johndoe | i have a little problem, im running x-chat off windows vista |
| 23:01.53 | lindenle | kartsten: yeah but the module cannot find ioctl32.h .... fun fun |
| 23:02.01 | johndoe | so i have to reboot into debian |
| 23:02.20 | karsten | lindenle: If you're looking for module sources, either get the module itself (if independently aailable) or download ful kernel sources (Debian or http://www.kernel.org/) |
| 23:02.31 | bucky | johndoe, is this in etch? |
| 23:02.40 | karsten | lindenle: Search path issue? |
| 23:02.42 | lindenle | karsten: im trying to build jungo for pci express driver for an fpga |
| 23:02.55 | lindenle | karsten: i tried find and the header is just not there |
| 23:02.58 | bucky | the GeForce 8400M takes the nvidia proprietary driver |
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| 23:03.03 | johndoe | bucky: nope, its in testing, lenny |
| 23:03.08 | bucky | good |
| 23:03.15 | johndoe | bucky: ive tried with etch before |
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| 23:03.47 | johndoe | bucky: atleast this time ethernet works out of the box :-) |
| 23:03.58 | lindenle | ok changed the name from ioctl32.h to ioctl.h and woopee compiled |
| 23:04.23 | bucky | johndoe, you could try putting contrib non-free in your sources.list and apt-cache search nvidia-kernel-legacy and install which ever version applies, that might do it |
| 23:04.42 | bucky | adjust your xorg.conf to use nvidia |
| 23:04.52 | solar_sea | how do I disable the usb autosuspend in /sys/proc/usbcore/parameters , debian kernel 2.6.22-4 ? |
| 23:05.37 | bucky | johndoe, if that doesn't work you might be able to use modules-assistant to build one of the newer nvidia drivers for it |
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| 23:06.37 | Agiofws | hi |
| 23:06.48 | tnks | karsten: thanks a lot. I missed that section in hostname(1) |
| 23:07.19 | Agiofws | can someone tell me why this works in slackware terminal and not in debians http://rafb.net/p/9NYsNk13.html pls ? |
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| 23:09.18 | Agiofws | can someone tell me why this works in slackware terminal and not in debians http://rafb.net/p/9NYsNk13.html pls ? |
| 23:09.33 | Tramp | Agiofws: do you expect us do load it down and run it or will you give us the error you get? |
| 23:09.50 | Agiofws | i don't get an error at all |
| 23:10.01 | Agiofws | it just does not spit out the URL |
| 23:10.05 | Agiofws | Tramp, |
| 23:10.23 | Agiofws | if you want to .. try it out |
| 23:10.25 | Tramp | Then run with sh -x (or set -x in the script) |
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| 23:12.04 | Agiofws | run with sh -x ? |
| 23:12.09 | Agiofws | Tramp, |
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| 23:12.26 | Agiofws | echo hello | sh -x paste |
| 23:12.26 | Agiofws | ? |
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| 23:13.16 | Dark_Apostrophe | Can anyone please help me get OpenWengo to work? |
| 23:13.34 | Tramp | Agiofws: well, if that's the way the script is called (i.e. reading from stdin) |
| 23:13.34 | Dark_Apostrophe | I installed it, it connects to the MSN network just fine, but it doesn't seem to work at all for Wengo |
| 23:13.53 | Dark_Apostrophe | I forwarded the ports mentioned in the FAQ, but it still just says "connecting" in perpetuity |
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| 23:15.10 | Agiofws | Tramp, the thing is its works in slacks terminal but not in debians |
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| 23:17.49 | Tramp | Agiofws: well, what I see is, that it does its work with curl. Do you have curl installed? |
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| 23:20.31 | karsten | lindenle: auto-apt may be able to find it for you, either search or run auto-apt shell if you want some magick (and trust it). |
| 23:20.35 | karsten | tnks: NP. |
| 23:21.08 | dserban | Is there some package that will allow you to handle a script defining iptables rulesets and even maybe err... via a web interface? :( (I know it's icky) |
| 23:21.15 | karsten | Dark_Apostrophe: For some reason I'm tempted to reply "OpenWengo Wango I don't want to leave the Congo ..." |
| 23:21.29 | karsten | dserban: Yes. Don't go there. |
| 23:21.45 | karsten | dserban: Linux sysadmins have a web interface for remote access. It's called SSH. |
| 23:22.03 | wintix | :) |
| 23:22.07 | karsten | dserban: Some people will mention webmin. The rest of us will *VERY* strongly encourage you not to go there. |
| 23:22.08 | Agiofws | Tramp, ok i installed curl and its all ok |
| 23:22.09 | Agiofws | thanks |
| 23:22.26 | dserban | Nein? Well I can write my own, but because I'm no expert in networking, looking at pre-configured packages such as fiaif and such I'm worried I'll overlook some obvious rulesets |
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| 23:23.00 | dserban | karsten, I'm aware ;) I've done it manually for a while... though my junior admins .... I just want them to be able to blacklist an ip or what have you. |
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| 23:23.31 | dserban | Just put it out there to see if any such beast exists. It can't be that bad since linksys and others do it via a web interface :o |
| 23:23.47 | karsten | dserban: Oh, iptables. Hrm. Well, there are front-ends for that of various sorts. In general I *still* consider firewalls a black art. |
| 23:24.10 | dserban | indeed |
| 23:24.16 | magyar | hi, need info on group based addressbook system for MUA, preferences and etc.. |
| 23:24.44 | karsten | magyar: ldap. |
| 23:25.01 | dserban | And I agree :) though fiaif is just too complex for some (I've used it for years) and rather than futzing with its inability to understand that there is really only ONE interface and no forwarding or masq'ing is being done... |
| 23:25.41 | karsten | dserban: I've played with shorewall, if not entirely successfully, then at least leaving me with two feet and most of my toes at the end of the day. |
| 23:25.54 | dserban | anyone here know why the /etc/init.d/iptables script was purged from debian? seemed to do some good for simplicity |
| 23:25.55 | magyar | karsten: any specific package? |
| 23:26.13 | dserban | magyar, aptitude search ldap ? |
| 23:26.19 | karsten | magyar: openldap + whatever your mail client needs to talk to it. |
| 23:26.21 | dserban | slapd is my guess |
| 23:26.54 | magyar | k |
| 23:26.57 | magyar | thnaks |
| 23:27.12 | karsten | magyar: Locally you'll just need the ldap client stuff. Remotely you'll want an ldap server running one of hte standard email/contact book schemas. |
| 23:27.20 | dondelelcaro | dserban: it's still in the examples directory, it just isn't supported, and was kind of buggy |
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| 23:28.35 | karsten | Is there a way to tell GRUB to *not* use a splashimage or background/foreground colors, if it's already using hem? |
| 23:28.37 | dserban | dondelelcaro, ah which examples directory? /usr/share/doc/iptables doesn't have one on my system. |
| 23:28.44 | karsten | And/or to set display capabilities to plain VGA? |
| 23:29.26 | dserban | karsten, you mean plain VGA being 80x25? |
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| 23:30.20 | karsten | dserban: yep. No framebuffer or other funny stuff. |
| 23:30.23 | magyar | karsten: "hte" ? |
| 23:30.29 | magyar | the |
| 23:30.30 | karsten | I've got a seriously horked display, grids and corrupted text. |
| 23:30.45 | karsten | magyar: uyo nkwo hwta I eanm |
| 23:30.49 | magyar | eheeh |
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| 23:31.25 | karsten | ... and or my connection lags. |
| 23:31.27 | magyar | karsten: dont pull accronyms on me -_- I am in info mode |
| 23:31.35 | bangers | can anyone help me with bitchx? |
| 23:31.38 | karsten | magyar: Switch to pinfo, much better. |
| 23:31.41 | karsten | bangers: No. |
| 23:31.58 | bangers | im setting a few variables, namely timestamp var's etc, but they aren't saying |
| 23:32.00 | karsten | bangers: I'd strongly recommend irssi. |
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| 23:33.40 | dserban | xchat isn't bad either |
| 23:33.48 | dserban | if you're into that kinda thing (I am ;) |
| 23:35.10 | karsten | Ah: vbeprobe: shows modes. |
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| 23:35.22 | karsten | vtestvbemode x102 seems to set default. |
| 23:35.27 | dserban | karsten, there should be some configuration stanzas in /boot/grub/menu.lst ... remove the splash... something keyword from it. Though I'm sure you knew that. |
| 23:36.02 | dserban | on your kernel bootline make sure there's no vga call and if there is set it to normal. |
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| 23:36.50 | ricosecada | Is it possible to downgrade from testing to stable using apt-get or aptitude? |
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| 23:37.08 | dserban | ricosecada, nope... not cleanly anyway. |
| 23:37.23 | ricosecada | ok thanks. |
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| 23:37.53 | ricosecada | I am having a lot of segmentation faults with different packages running testing. mplayer, xmms, krita.. |
| 23:38.16 | dserban | Odd. |
| 23:38.19 | dserban | memtest? |
| 23:39.06 | tnks | <PROTECTED> |
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| 23:43.16 | karsten | dserban: yeah, there's a splashimage being specified. I'll comment it. |
| 23:43.40 | karsten | dserban: Damned system takes five minutes to reboot, so I try to minimize the times I do it. |
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| 23:44.50 | nhuisman_work | hey anyone ever use lustre? |
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| 23:47.59 | Techboy74 | Hey Everyone. While not directly related to debian, the following question will hopefully entice someone mathematically inclined to lend a hand. |
| 23:48.33 | Techboy74 | I have a list of X values and a list of Y values and want to find |
| 23:49.18 | Techboy74 | which openoffice formula will help me to put all of the values between the highest and lowest X values into a table |
| 23:49.45 | nhuisman_work | they are in a list? |
| 23:49.55 | Techboy74 | nhuisman_work yes |
| 23:49.57 | dondelelcaro | Techboy74: uh... by definition all of the X values will be between the highest and lowest X values. |
| 23:50.07 | nhuisman_work | yeah that was my thought dondel |
| 23:50.14 | Techboy74 | I need to corresponding Y value returned |
| 23:50.19 | abrotman | i think he means exclusive |
| 23:50.23 | nhuisman_work | can't you just graph it? |
| 23:50.27 | Techboy74 | Creating a graph in OOo does this |
| 23:50.32 | Techboy74 | but I need the values in a table |
| 23:50.40 | nhuisman_work | so you have a bit list of values |
| 23:50.48 | nhuisman_work | and you have some upper and lower limits that you've defined |
| 23:50.50 | Techboy74 | 18 values from 1 to 90 |
| 23:50.51 | ricosecada | dserban, yes perhaps a memtest is in place. |
| 23:51.01 | dondelelcaro | Techboy74: but if you want the Y values as well, IF(MIN(X1:X30)<=Y1,IF(MAX(X1:X30)>=Y1,Y1,'')) or similar |
| 23:51.05 | nhuisman_work | but some of those values fall below the upper and lower right |
| 23:51.16 | Techboy74 | Graphed, it is a non-linear curve |
| 23:51.42 | nhuisman_work | why not sort the list by X |
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| 23:51.51 | Techboy74 | I can do that |
| 23:51.56 | Techboy74 | example |
| 23:52.09 | Techboy74 | X values are 1, 7, 12, 18 etc |
| 23:52.26 | Techboy74 | I want to find the corresponding Y value if X is 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9 |
| 23:52.26 | nhuisman_work | and the Y values correspond, like 2, 18, 4, 4 |
| 23:52.42 | Techboy74 | yep |
| 23:53.53 | Techboy74 | A better understanding of this problem is perhaps the real-world description of the data |
| 23:53.57 | dondelelcaro | a spreadsheet is kind of the wrong way to do this, but there are lookup routines which would do it |
| 23:54.03 | nhuisman_work | yeah you really want a database |
| 23:54.11 | nhuisman_work | should just dump it into a small mysql table |
| 23:54.19 | nhuisman_work | then it's just using sql and you're done |
| 23:54.21 | Techboy74 | it's Db Attenuation Vs expected Kbps for DSL2 |
| 23:54.24 | dondelelcaro | Techboy74: wait, you mean that you want to estimate Y values for values of X which there are no data points? |
| 23:54.39 | Techboy74 | dondelelcaro exactly |
| 23:54.43 | nhuisman_work | if that's the case then you should do a formula approxiation |
| 23:54.49 | nhuisman_work | it should give you the formula for the curve |
| 23:54.59 | dondelelcaro | Techboy74: so figure out what the model is, and then use R and lm() |
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| 23:55.16 | Techboy74 | R ? |
| 23:55.20 | dondelelcaro | !R |
| 23:55.20 | dpkg | somebody said r was a powerful language based on S, primarily used for statistics. It is well suited for dealing with large sets of numbers in matrices and/or vectors. apt-get install r-base r-recommended r-base-html. And it's "are", not "r" |
| 23:55.48 | Techboy74 | dpkg you are too funny! |
| 23:55.48 | dpkg | Techboy74: what are you talking about? |
| 23:55.54 | Techboy74 | silly bot |
| 23:56.17 | dondelelcaro | dpkg: r =~ s/a powerful/<reply>R is a powerful/ |
| 23:56.18 | dpkg | dondelelcaro: OK |
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| 23:56.43 | Techboy74 | dondelelcaro nhuisman_work you see, OOo will plot the chart perfectly |
| 23:57.00 | Techboy74 | but I need the missing values interpolated into a table |
| 23:57.08 | dondelelcaro | Techboy74: since what you want to do is fit a model to your data and then predict based on that model, you need to at the same time determine whether your model is actually accurate. |
| 23:57.09 | nhuisman_work | yeah I understand |
| 23:57.18 | nhuisman_work | i'm pretty sure OOo will also give you the formula for charts |
| 23:57.20 | nhuisman_work | if you ask it to |
| 23:57.24 | dondelelcaro | Techboy74: yes, the point is that interpolating missing values requires assuming a model. |
| 23:57.40 | Techboy74 | I'd like to use the model that OOo uses to chart |
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| 23:57.59 | dondelelcaro | Techboy74: uh... it should just be plotting raw data points with straight lines between them |
| 23:58.17 | Techboy74 | OOo seems to use a non-linear method, as the line is smooth |
| 23:58.25 | dondelelcaro | (unless you've turned on the insane "I have no clue about data analysis" smoothing option) |
| 23:58.26 | nhuisman_work | dondelelcaro, can't display the formula too? |
| 23:58.46 | Techboy74 | The line is smooth therefore the model is non-linear |
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| 23:58.52 | nhuisman_work | i remember in excel being able to do a model and have it display the formula |
| 23:58.55 | Techboy74 | there are no straight lines between datapoints |
| 23:59.19 | dondelelcaro | Techboy74: it may not be graphing straight lines, but that doesn't mean that the straight lines aren't just as valid |
| 23:59.31 | Techboy74 | Hmmm |
| 23:59.33 | Techboy74 | I see |
| 23:59.50 | dondelelcaro | Techboy74: you'll quickly find that you can fit any arbitrary model with a suitably large number of polynomials to any data. |