| 00:00.11 | Techboy74 | OK |
| 00:00.13 | dondelelcaro | unless you know what the model is, straight lines are the right things to draw |
| 00:00.20 | nhuisman_work | but you can start with the lowest polynomial and work your way up |
| 00:00.39 | Techboy74 | This is where it goes above my head |
| 00:00.41 | nhuisman_work | so you must have "Smooth lines" enabled |
| 00:00.47 | dondelelcaro | nhuisman_work: that's assuming that it's actually polynomial; it could be logrithmic, or something ele |
| 00:00.47 | nhuisman_work | when you did the graph XY |
| 00:01.04 | nhuisman_work | yeah dondelelcaro and I assume if he's talking DB gain stuff it's Log |
| 00:01.07 | nhuisman_work | like you mentioned earlier |
| 00:01.27 | dondelelcaro | nhuisman_work: right, I just don't know how the gain interacts with the maximum transfer rate |
| 00:01.42 | Techboy74 | It's attenuation - so the Db is the loss |
| 00:02.05 | dondelelcaro | (it's quite possible that it degrades logrithmically with dB below a specific point) |
| 00:02.21 | Techboy74 | the samples are real-world samples the graph is not a log graph |
| 00:02.30 | dondelelcaro | Techboy74: that doesn't matter |
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| 00:03.10 | Techboy74 | The bit that I am stuck with is - what would an appropriate function to use be? |
| 00:03.19 | dondelelcaro | Techboy74: we'd have to see the data |
| 00:03.20 | K`zan | Hi Folks, what do I need to do to be able to play .wmv files? |
| 00:03.36 | Techboy74 | K`zan go to www.getautomatix.com |
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| 00:03.50 | K`zan | Techboy74: Thanks you sir! |
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| 00:03.58 | Techboy74 | You're welcome |
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| 00:05.15 | Techboy74 | dondelelcaro can I send you a spreadsheet with the real numbers - if you have time and don't mind |
| 00:05.27 | dondelelcaro | K`zan: xine or mplayer will play them, as will a number of other things |
| 00:05.41 | nhuisman_work | I prefer vlc though to play media files |
| 00:06.21 | Techboy74 | But to use xine or mplayer requires the win32 codecs |
| 00:06.23 | dondelelcaro | and blech. Don't use automatix |
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| 00:06.28 | dondelelcaro | Techboy74: not necessarily |
| 00:06.32 | dondelelcaro | Techboy74: and those are available anyway |
| 00:06.33 | nhuisman_work | autobreakix |
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| 00:08.26 | Techboy74 | dondelelcaro nhuisman_work thanks for your help! |
| 00:08.36 | Techboy74 | take care |
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| 00:08.55 | nhuisman_work | doh |
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| 00:09.46 | Rawplayer | hi! anyone in here using a chroot? i cant connect to other ports then localhost from the chroot, but from the machine itself everything works fine |
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| 00:09.52 | Rawplayer | there is no firewall involved |
| 00:10.01 | Rawplayer | i can also resolve hostname with dns within the chroot |
| 00:10.22 | ccfreak2k|laptop | Is there a package like glibc-compat in RedHat? |
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| 00:10.33 | nhuisman_work | dondelelcaro, have you ever used lustre with debian? |
| 00:10.41 | simonrvn | ccfreak2k|laptop: what's in that package? |
| 00:10.55 | ccfreak2k|laptop | An older glibc for compatibility purposes. |
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| 00:11.16 | simonrvn | oh, yeh, um, not sure if it's still around |
| 00:11.38 | simonrvn | libc-client or something ... |
| 00:12.06 | simonrvn | oh nm, it's for mail protocols |
| 00:12.22 | simonrvn | libc-client2006b.dfsg-1, libc-client2006g |
| 00:13.13 | simonrvn | ccfreak2k|laptop: the debian glibc supports certain versions, i'm not clear on the specifics |
| 00:14.41 | nhuisman_work | too bad techboy74 left, was going to show him a way to display the regression curve in OOo |
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| 00:15.08 | xored | iam gettting a segmentation failed with mod_python and svn ( dav_svn ) with apache, while mod_perl and php running smoothing. Debain etch 64 bit |
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| 00:16.38 | dondelelcaro | nhuisman_work: I haven't, actually |
| 00:16.39 | expose | what does the installer do when it says "Delete Data on <disk>, <partition>" that takes ages when installing on encrypted LVM? whipe every bit to zero/random? what for? |
| 00:16.55 | dondelelcaro | nhuisman_work: I don't have big enough clusters to really have much use for them either, unfortunatly. |
| 00:17.11 | nhuisman_work | dondelelcaro, I'm trying to find a solution for creating shared storage |
| 00:17.18 | ccfreak2k|laptop | simonrvn, is there somewhere I can check then? |
| 00:17.24 | nhuisman_work | dondelelcaro, besides a simple two node drbd |
| 00:18.15 | dondelelcaro | nhuisman_work: ah; yeah, I've kind of been looking out for those for a while, but haven't yet found anything that has been a clear winner |
| 00:18.29 | nhuisman_work | really annoying |
| 00:18.39 | nhuisman_work | i don't want to spend tons of money on san stuff |
| 00:18.40 | dondelelcaro | nhuisman_work: openafs seems like the closest so far, but the setup required to get any of them to work is kind of problematic |
| 00:18.55 | dondelelcaro | nhuisman_work: what are you sharing between the nodes? |
| 00:19.02 | simonrvn | ccfreak2k|laptop: i'm not sure, sorry |
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| 00:19.26 | nhuisman_work | data |
| 00:19.41 | nhuisman_work | each node would have raid controller |
| 00:19.42 | nhuisman_work | and disks |
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| 00:20.22 | dondelelcaro | nhuisman_work: replicated, non-changing? or rapidly changing? |
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| 00:21.00 | nhuisman_work | my idea solution would be one where the data is somehow stripped across my nodes so they can all be utilized and also redundant if a whole node fails |
| 00:21.09 | nhuisman_work | not super rapid changing data |
| 00:21.30 | nhuisman_work | ie not some process that is hammering away at it |
| 00:21.31 | dondelelcaro | nhuisman_work: hrm... AFS is supposed to handle that kind of usage, but I personally haven't used it, so I can't really strongly recommend it |
| 00:21.51 | dondelelcaro | nhuisman_work: it may be that you just end up looking through all of the ones, and trying them out |
| 00:22.05 | nhuisman_work | yeah i looked at lustre |
| 00:22.08 | nhuisman_work | that doesn't solve the problem |
| 00:22.14 | nhuisman_work | drbd doesn't scale |
| 00:22.25 | nhuisman_work | there are a few that don't use posix file systems |
| 00:22.42 | nhuisman_work | which are acceptable |
| 00:22.46 | nhuisman_work | err not acceptable |
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| 00:23.15 | dondelelcaro | you mean the posix ACL, I assume |
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| 00:23.41 | nhuisman_work | well there was one that claimed it wasn't posix and then stated that because of this your applications would require some special interface to access the data. |
| 00:23.49 | dondelelcaro | oh |
| 00:23.54 | dondelelcaro | yeah, there are a couple of those that I've seen |
| 00:23.59 | nhuisman_work | started with an M i think |
| 00:24.07 | nhuisman_work | there wasone called star something |
| 00:24.11 | nhuisman_work | which looked promising in a few years |
| 00:24.12 | dondelelcaro | though nowadays it's fairly easy to write a fuse module that that shouldn't be an excuse at all |
| 00:24.45 | dondelelcaro | (I mean, if someone can't write a fuse module that mounts the data no matter what the backend, something is wrong with the backend) |
| 00:25.09 | nhuisman_work | yeah |
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| 00:26.53 | KurtKraut | Is true that linux only supports 256 user accounts ? |
| 00:27.41 | nhuisman_work | i doubt it |
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| 00:28.38 | doublehp | If any one here think he knows more than me about Larry, please feel free to edit http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Larry_computing_mascot . I dont understand how to update pictures, and do not understand the origins of the character. |
| 00:28.51 | dondelelcaro | doublehp: larry? |
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| 00:29.15 | nhuisman_work | yeah i've never hard of that |
| 00:29.19 | doublehp | dondelelcaro: never met larry ? apt-get moo |
| 00:29.28 | magyar | !hi |
| 00:29.28 | dpkg | hello, magyar |
| 00:29.32 | dondelelcaro | doublehp: uh... that's not larry. That's a cow. |
| 00:29.33 | nhuisman_work | ah yes that's right i've seen it |
| 00:29.57 | magyar | how can i get dpkg to message me in a private window? |
| 00:30.04 | doublehp | I wonder if I should set up a wiki alias from moo to this page ... |
| 00:30.14 | dondelelcaro | magyar: /msg dpkg help |
| 00:30.21 | doublehp | magyar: /msg people help |
| 00:31.09 | magyar | dondelelcaro: when i type !hi , dpkg displays for all to see, how can i get it to display in a new window? |
| 00:31.56 | dondelelcaro | magyar: you /msg the bot. |
| 00:32.00 | kgoetz | magyar: /msg dpkg hi |
| 00:32.12 | magyar | ohh |
| 00:32.49 | magyar | is there a way to find out if the channel has a bot? |
| 00:32.59 | dondelelcaro | magyar: not really |
| 00:33.11 | dondelelcaro | watching for a few minutes will usually tell you |
| 00:33.12 | magyar | fudge |
| 00:33.16 | expose | what does the installer do when it says "Delete Data on <disk>, <partition>" that takes ages when installing on encrypted LVM? whipe every bit to zero/random? what for? |
| 00:33.17 | doublehp | magyar: generally things like !help %hepl ...but, many chans have silent bots |
| 00:33.30 | doublehp | in some cases |
| 00:33.32 | doublehp | !beer |
| 00:33.32 | dpkg | i heard beer is liquid gold mate |
| 00:33.33 | doublehp | works |
| 00:33.35 | doublehp | :P |
| 00:33.38 | magyar | doublehp: roger, thanks |
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| 00:34.11 | dondelelcaro | expose: presumably it deletes the data, instead of just creating a new filesystem. |
| 00:34.30 | dondelelcaro | (or shall we say, "attempts" to delete the data) |
| 00:34.46 | expose | thanks |
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| 00:38.09 | expose | dondelelcaro: do you know if there is a way to prevent this? it takes...quite some hours. |
| 00:38.35 | dondelelcaro | expose: there should be a checkbox of it somewhere |
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| 00:39.25 | expose | didnt find one, using expertgui and a daily netinstall build from tuesday. |
| 00:40.00 | expose | as soon as i select encrypted lvm w/ seperate home i can only continue or abort, with no further options |
| 00:41.35 | nhuisman_work | dondelelcaro, openafs only supports read-only replication |
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| 00:41.43 | Agiofws | why doesn't debian glxgears see fps ? |
| 00:41.54 | dondelelcaro | Agiofws: glxgears --help |
| 00:42.04 | expose | Agiofws: "see fps"? |
| 00:42.14 | expose | Agiofws: it prints them to a xterm stdout |
| 00:42.39 | Agiofws | agiofws@lapi:~$ glxgears --help |
| 00:42.39 | Agiofws | Warrning: unknown parameter: --help |
| 00:42.40 | Agiofws | ? |
| 00:43.14 | Agiofws | well it does not print anythingto the term |
| 00:44.08 | Agiofws | donaldo, ? |
| 00:44.10 | Agiofws | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:44.11 | Agiofws | ? |
| 00:44.40 | abrotman | -printfps |
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| 00:46.33 | Agiofws | 5204 frames in 5.0 seconds = 1040.610 FPS |
| 00:46.34 | Agiofws | 5186 frames in 5.0 seconds = 1037.115 FPS |
| 00:46.45 | Agiofws | how is this for a lapi 1600 celeron ? |
| 00:47.01 | nhuisman_work | let me see what I get |
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| 00:47.23 | nhuisman_work | 69784 frames in 5.0 seconds = 13956.786 FPS |
| 00:47.24 | nhuisman_work | snicker |
| 00:47.29 | Agiofws | Intel Corporation Mobile 945GM/GMS/940GML Express Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 03) |
| 00:47.39 | nhuisman_work | i think I win |
| 00:48.13 | Agiofws | is that a lapi ? |
| 00:48.14 | expose | Agiofws: a nvidia quadro nvs140 gets ~4k with core2duo at 2.2ghz, ~2k with core2duo at 2ghz and internal intel graphics, and a c2d @ 2.4ghz with geforce 7600gs has ~4k as well |
| 00:48.17 | nhuisman_work | no :P |
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| 00:49.19 | olegfink | hi |
| 00:49.27 | nhuisman_work | this is a quad core 3ghz w/ a 8800gts |
| 00:49.40 | olegfink | may I ask some debianners out there how do the build vbetool for amd64? |
| 00:49.45 | olegfink | *they |
| 00:51.06 | expose | Agiofws: http://www.free3d.org/#benchmark_reports http://www.elsniwiki.de/index.php/Main/Glxgears |
| 00:51.41 | expose | olegfink: maybe check the gentoo ebuild or the arch build script |
| 00:51.47 | olegfink | cool |
| 00:51.55 | olegfink | I'm trying to compile it on arch |
| 00:52.14 | olegfink | so the next one will have an option to check ABS if I succeed |
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| 00:52.52 | olegfink | expose: _why_ gentoo or arch and not debian? /* turns out it's trolling */ |
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| 00:53.47 | expose | olegfink: well, does debian have a repository of something that explains how to build a certain package? |
| 00:53.52 | expose | not that i'd know of. |
| 00:54.31 | olegfink | cool debian |
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| 00:54.49 | olegfink | and has like the largest package base in the known universe and noone is able to use it? |
| 00:54.58 | olegfink | yeah, that's everything for community |
| 00:54.58 | expose | and using all resources available to achieve a goal should be the thing to do (except maybe moral issues and such things...) |
| 00:55.04 | olegfink | the real power of open dource |
| 00:55.18 | olegfink | *source |
| 00:55.23 | expose | damn. now you're trolling. |
| 00:55.40 | expose | g'night everyone. |
| 00:55.46 | expose | ... |
| 00:56.52 | olegfink | sorry, I'm really disappointed by this |
| 00:57.06 | olegfink | but okay, thanks for the tips |
| 00:57.16 | olegfink | have a nice time of day |
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| 01:08.39 | arsenip | anyone give any guidance on how youd go about a remote reinstall? |
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| 01:17.08 | bucky | arsenip, does the remote machine have linux already? |
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| 01:18.19 | arsenip | yes |
| 01:18.21 | arsenip | debian currently |
| 01:18.25 | arsenip | it just needs a start again |
| 01:18.30 | arsenip | so much messed up with it its not worth trying to fix |
| 01:18.54 | abrotman | !debootstrap |
| 01:18.55 | dpkg | from memory, debootstrap is <caphuso> get the debootstrap source from http://packages.debian.org/debootstrap, compile it, read the man page, install debian with it </caphuso> Useful for installing in a chroot. http://people.debian.org/~walters/chroot.html, or see http://wiki.debian.org/Debootstrap, or key to Installing Debian GNU/Linux from a Unix/Linux System. See to the release specific Debian GNU/Linux Installation Guide for more details. |
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| 01:19.14 | Sweetandy | What's the debian package for gcc tools? |
| 01:19.35 | abrotman | !b-e Sweetandy |
| 01:19.35 | dpkg | Sweetandy: Sounds like you need to aptitude install build-essential. |
| 01:19.36 | kgoetz | gcc? |
| 01:19.46 | Sweetandy | abrotman: Right! Thanks! |
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| 01:21.03 | spreeuw | hello, after an upgrade to apache mpm-worker phph no longer installs |
| 01:21.10 | spreeuw | it insists on mpm-prefork |
| 01:21.15 | spreeuw | why? |
| 01:21.23 | simonrvn | php isn't thread-safe |
| 01:22.09 | bucky | arsenip, http://www.underhanded.org/papers/debian-conversion/remotedeb.html |
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| 01:23.16 | spreeuw | simonrvn: so this isnt possible without messing with the package manager? |
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| 01:23.59 | abrotman | spreeuw: it's not a good idea to run it with mpm-worker |
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| 01:24.26 | simonrvn | spreeuw: that's not how you'd do it, you're likely to break things horribly. better to take the advice than fool with things like that. |
| 01:24.28 | bucky | python will run with mpm-worker |
| 01:24.47 | simonrvn | mod_python is thread-safe AFAIK |
| 01:24.47 | bucky | run python it's thread safe |
| 01:25.18 | bucky | righto simonrvn |
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| 01:25.29 | simonrvn | :) |
| 01:25.30 | spreeuw | hehe thanks for the advice I'll pass it on to return to prefork |
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| 01:25.36 | bucky | you are correct sir... as usual |
| 01:25.57 | simonrvn | and so are you, so there ;) |
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| 01:27.07 | DustyBin | has anyone here used vserver? |
| 01:27.49 | DustyBin | am i right in thinking that vserver is a secure chroot what you can add a host name to? |
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| 01:28.40 | Timmerman | hikenboot, how can I undone a software Raid 1 created by mdadm in Debian Etch 4? a second hardrive have problems in a partition, typing cat /proc/mdstat he shows me all them "OnLine", but I need to undone it to fix the partition problem before mirroring, to late create the pool again. I've do that with raidtools in RedHat, but never with mdadm |
| 01:28.47 | Timmerman | oops |
| 01:29.01 | DustyBin | and am i also right in thinking that vserver carries hardly no overhead, unlike xen + vmware ? |
| 01:29.38 | DustyBin | if thats the case, vserver is SERIOUS stuff |
| 01:29.48 | simonrvn | dunno much about it, but IIRC you can run a daemon in a vserver, a la freebsd jail |
| 01:30.26 | simonrvn | but more um, closed, i guess you could say |
| 01:30.34 | DustyBin | aye |
| 01:30.49 | DustyBin | im suprised hardly anyone uses it |
| 01:30.58 | DustyBin | think how neat and tidy you could make your server |
| 01:31.35 | simonrvn | i've pondered playing with it, but need to make time for that |
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| 01:32.46 | DustyBin | "enhanced chroot/jail: the Vserver project fixes some fundamental flaws in typical chroot/jails that would otherwise compromise security." |
| 01:33.06 | DustyBin | "limited resource overhead: unlike similar solutions (UML, Xen), vservers are very efficient and require little additional overhead." |
| 01:34.06 | simonrvn | ok, nice |
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| 01:35.09 | epsilon | url of that vserver project? |
| 01:35.29 | DustyBin | http://linux-vserver.org |
| 01:35.57 | xored | iam getting that segementation fault. using the same rep on a other debian etch box works : http://pastebin.com/m65053a91 |
| 01:37.21 | simonrvn | xored: try editing your cache-limit (/msg dpkg dynamic mmap) |
| 01:37.40 | xored | simonrvn: what is the cach limit ? |
| 01:37.43 | xored | just to understand it |
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| 01:38.02 | abrotman | !mmap |
| 01:38.02 | dpkg | Getting "E: Dynamic MMap ran out of room" when using apt-get? Put the following line into your /etc/apt/apt.conf: 'APT::Cache-Limit 12582912;' . If you still get the same error, increase the value. If that file doesn't exist, add it, or put that line in a file in /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/ You can also possibly get rid of this error by deleting entries from your sources.list that you don't actually need. |
| 01:38.07 | simonrvn | mmap() limit on apt, deselect, aptitude |
| 01:38.13 | abrotman | but that doesn't usually segfault |
| 01:38.13 | Archie1 | i dont see anything when i type stuff in terminals while in X .. |
| 01:38.20 | Archie1 | what could be the cause of the problem? |
| 01:38.27 | abrotman | simonrvn: and he's working with svn |
| 01:38.31 | simonrvn | abrotman: i've seen it do that in etch and sid |
| 01:38.37 | simonrvn | oh |
| 01:38.38 | Archie1 | typing a command and enter doesnt do anything either |
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| 01:38.41 | xored | simonrvn: actually it seems only makes diffrence for apt ? |
| 01:38.41 | abrotman | xored: this is svn .. not apt? right? |
| 01:38.48 | xored | abrotman: yes |
| 01:38.51 | abrotman | okay |
| 01:38.54 | simonrvn | if it's svn, nm |
| 01:39.04 | xored | abrotman: both boxes have been stable etch |
| 01:39.10 | abrotman | don't blame me! |
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| 01:39.15 | xored | abrotman: without any fancy setups |
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| 01:40.15 | Archie1 | ok my keyboard doesnt work in any X apps, how can i fix this? |
| 01:40.43 | Archie1 | i ran dpkg-reconfigure xorg-xserver and set keyboard to pc104.. |
| 01:40.52 | Archie1 | dont know why this is happening |
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| 01:41.20 | simonrvn | workie in console? |
| 01:41.27 | Archie1 | yes works in console.. |
| 01:41.29 | abrotman | xored: segfault can mean hardware issues |
| 01:41.31 | Archie1 | i am in console now :) |
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| 01:41.57 | abrotman | wtf |
| 01:41.59 | simonrvn | wtf |
| 01:42.08 | simonrvn | dumbass |
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| 01:42.17 | simonrvn | oh klined, thanks |
| 01:42.21 | abrotman | that's the same ass from the other night i think |
| 01:42.36 | dvs | abrotman: then he wasn't k-lined before |
| 01:42.42 | abrotman | different IP ? |
| 01:42.45 | huhlig | what the frell was that? |
| 01:42.47 | xored | abrotman: what is he actually sending ? |
| 01:42.47 | dondelelcaro | could be; got kicked, then k-lined too fast for me to do anything |
| 01:42.54 | abrotman | xored: i didn't accept |
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| 01:43.09 | xored | abrotman: i did not either, but i just wonder what he is traying |
| 01:43.14 | huhlig | what did I miss and what the hell was he sending |
| 01:43.17 | xored | traying = trying |
| 01:43.23 | abrotman | huhlig: dcc files from a spammer |
| 01:43.25 | xored | huhlig: no idea |
| 01:43.26 | huhlig | ahh |
| 01:43.29 | simonrvn | probably some dumb windows rootkit or something |
| 01:43.39 | sn0 | there was a guy in ubuntu doing the same thing |
| 01:43.47 | huhlig | Im sitting here minding my own business on visio and suddenly I get 20 DCC file accepts |
| 01:43.47 | Archie1 | and archlinux :-P |
| 01:43.57 | bucky | i got it too from HouseMD |
| 01:43.57 | sn0 | "Barbecue has offered mirc.ini (5567 bytes)" |
| 01:43.58 | ccfreak2k|laptop | They got him already. |
| 01:44.07 | huhlig | thats good |
| 01:44.08 | simonrvn | 4 here |
| 01:44.13 | huhlig | oh btw, hello dondelelcaro |
| 01:44.13 | xored | abrotman: ok no the svn part is working, i just did a hotcopy on the other system and the it worked |
| 01:44.15 | ccfreak2k|laptop | He was trying to exploit an old bug in some Linksys SOHO routers. |
| 01:44.16 | Gun_Smoke | rTorrent with DHT support.. Has anyone pulled it off for etch? |
| 01:44.28 | xored | abrotman: but its now also seg failing on mod_pything with trac.. |
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| 01:44.34 | simonrvn | ccfreak2k|laptop: thanks for info |
| 01:44.36 | ccfreak2k|laptop | Basically, a DCC SEND message with a large file name caused the connection to be closed. |
| 01:44.46 | abrotman | xored: sounds like a hardware issue |
| 01:44.50 | Gun_Smoke | bucky: I got 4. |
| 01:45.08 | xored | abrotman: but anything else is working. What kind fo hw issue do you think ? |
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| 01:45.11 | Maulkin | I think I just saw that... |
| 01:45.28 | xored | .. |
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| 01:45.37 | bucky | Gun_Smoke, yah.. me too |
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| 01:46.14 | Gun_Smoke | blah.. Do they only get reg nicks or flood entire channels? |
| 01:46.54 | simonrvn | did the whole chan |
| 01:47.11 | nhuisman_work | gah |
| 01:47.15 | nhuisman_work | stupid dcc spam |
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| 01:48.13 | bucky | some weeny that got banned before prolly |
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| 01:50.57 | xored | abrotman: http://pastebin.com/m678351df |
| 01:51.04 | xored | abrotman: thats the error using tracd |
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| 01:51.21 | abrotman | it tells you it's already in use |
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| 01:51.49 | codazoda | When I add my printer, a HP Laserjet 1000, then click "Apply", nothing happens. I looked at syslog and don't see anything. Where should I look for a possible problem? |
| 01:52.00 | xored | abrotman: http://pastebin.com/ma4c7bb7 |
| 01:52.03 | codazoda | This is in Gnome... |
| 01:52.05 | xored | abrotman: thats the same with strace |
| 01:52.13 | Saar | * DCC RECV icouldnotcarelessaboutthefilewhdusahdfusdhfuisdhfushdfushdfusdhfuisdhfuisdhfusdhfsudfhsdufhsdufhsduifhsduhf.pqp to HouseMD aborted. |
| 01:52.16 | dvs | uh oh |
| 01:52.19 | Saar | l34t hax0r dewd |
| 01:52.19 | abrotman | Saar: stop .. we got it |
| 01:52.24 | xored | iam not sure what i should think about "in use socket" which socket ? sqlite3..or what ever |
| 01:52.40 | Saar | sorry :) |
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| 01:52.54 | DustyBin | SYS 4096 |
| 01:53.01 | abrotman | xored: does anything work? |
| 01:53.04 | dvs | DustyBin: ??? |
| 01:53.09 | DustyBin | :P |
| 01:53.21 | xored | abrotman: everything else |
| 01:53.29 | DustyBin | poke 53281,2 |
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| 01:53.44 | xored | abrotman: apache, mod_perl ( twik ), all php pages ( also big apps ), ldap, exim, courier |
| 01:53.59 | abrotman | yeah .. can you restart them ? |
| 01:55.25 | xored | abrotman: all other services ? |
| 01:55.32 | xored | abrotman: sure i can, root-shell |
| 01:56.32 | abrotman | that's a lot of stuff not working |
| 01:56.56 | xored | abrotman: there is everything working except apache2 + mod_python ( trac ) |
| 01:57.17 | abrotman | is anything using port 80 ? |
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| 01:58.52 | mentor | Anyone running unstable with xmms or who will install xmms briefly to be my guinea pig? No actual running of xmms required. |
| 01:59.20 | xored | abrotman: apache2 |
| 01:59.28 | xored | and you are right |
| 01:59.38 | xored | stopping apache2 works then with tracd |
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| 01:59.45 | abrotman | mentor: must be sid ? |
| 01:59.47 | Archie1 | how do i get syntax highlighting in vim? |
| 01:59.50 | xored | bt i dont ge why its seg gailiing thorugh apache |
| 01:59.54 | abrotman | Archie1: :syntax on |
| 02:00.02 | abrotman | Archie1: make sure it's vim-full not vim-tiny |
| 02:00.12 | mentor | abrotman: yes |
| 02:00.31 | Rawplayer | speaking about vim |
| 02:00.34 | Archie1 | ahh nice :) |
| 02:00.41 | Rawplayer | why the hell is it symlinked 100000 times |
| 02:00.45 | abrotman | mentor: lenny on this laptop .. sorry |
| 02:00.47 | Archie1 | abrotman: its on by defaults in archlinux :-P |
| 02:00.53 | mentor | echo "set syntax=on" >> ~/.vimrc |
| 02:00.57 | abrotman | Archie1: is it vim-tiny or vim-full ? |
| 02:01.05 | mentor | abrotman: /me shakes his fist |
| 02:01.08 | Archie1 | i installed vim-full already |
| 02:01.12 | asg | Rawplayer: it acts differently depending on how it's called |
| 02:01.29 | Archie1 | now did debian fix the alsa sigmatel 9200 bug yet? |
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| 02:01.38 | Archie1 | its fixed in the newest kernel version |
| 02:01.45 | Archie1 | but debian never has the newest.. |
| 02:01.50 | abrotman | i don't even have a sid vm anymore .. hrm .. |
| 02:02.07 | Archie1 | and the backport kernel doesnt work either for some reason.. |
| 02:02.08 | Rawplayer | asg: i mean if you call "vi" you get vim.tiny |
| 02:02.17 | hwdyki | how do i let a service run at startup? |
| 02:02.18 | Rawplayer | but then you you need to follow a lot of symlinks to change it |
| 02:02.27 | Rawplayer | ofcourse you can just change the symlink in /usr/bin |
| 02:02.29 | asg | Rawplayer: oh, that's the debian alternatives system |
| 02:02.32 | mentor | abrotman: It's alright, I'll do it elsewise |
| 02:02.36 | Rawplayer | but then you have death symlinks |
| 02:02.38 | asg | Rawplayer: man update-alternatives |
| 02:02.47 | Rawplayer | oh... |
| 02:02.50 | Rawplayer | never heard of it ;) |
| 02:03.14 | asg | Rawplayer: it makes a number of system maintenance tasks easier ... provided you've heard of it :) |
| 02:03.35 | abrotman | mentor: why not ask #-devel ? |
| 02:03.48 | mentor | abrotman: They'll just point and laugh |
| 02:03.56 | abrotman | heh .. sorry :( |
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| 02:04.58 | abrotman | the maintainer is on both networks .. |
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| 02:08.41 | Gun_Smoke | I'm killing myself trying to figure out how to get DHT in rtorrent. I found someone pulled it off to run on a slug and even pulled together a deb for it. It isn't working out for me.. I like rtorrent.. I would like to figure out how to get DHT going. |
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| 02:11.35 | mikes1 | !Nvidia |
| 02:11.35 | dpkg | To use an NVIDIA graphics card with Debian, see http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers. If you've done it before, ask me about <nvidia one-liner> for a reminder. |
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| 02:12.20 | mikes1 | !nvidia one-liner |
| 02:12.21 | dpkg | methinks nvidia one-liner is apt-get install nvidia-kernel-2.6-`uname -r | sed 's,.*-,,g'` nvidia-settings nvidia-glx && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg (if you're on amd64, also install nvidia-glx-ia32. Using sarge? Ask me about <nvidia_sarge>. Homegrown or kernel from testing/sid: <nvidia_post_etch>. If you're using a Geforce2 or older: <nvidia_legacy>. |
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| 02:24.04 | nhuisman_work | has anyone here ever played with creating a raid 5 volume with software raid and iscsi servers and backend storage? |
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| 02:24.35 | nhuisman_work | for example if you had 4 servers that were iscsi targets then mount these on a single server and create a software raid 5 with them. |
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| 02:29.43 | Archie1 | i have 14.1 widescreen laptop and when i run dpkg-reconfigure xorg-xserver xorg looks crappy and stretched even after selecting high syncing levels and 1280x800 resolution, is there a better method to getting a nice and clean xorg setup, sort of like the one you get when install gnome-desktop.. |
| 02:30.07 | abrotman | what's your video card? |
| 02:30.22 | Archie1 | ati xpress 200m |
| 02:30.39 | Archie1 | i installed fglrx and selected that as the video driver |
| 02:30.47 | Archie1 | ati is the same thing.. |
| 02:30.58 | Archie1 | should i try vesa? |
| 02:31.00 | Archie1 | :-P |
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| 02:31.57 | Guerin | Archie1: #ati |
| 02:32.47 | Archie1 | Guerin: well its not really an ati problem, just more of a xorg.conf one.. |
| 02:33.04 | Guerin | don't matter - they know all about it in there |
| 02:33.10 | Guerin | whereas we don't |
| 02:33.20 | Guerin | my ati card Just Works |
| 02:33.21 | Archie1 | when i install desktop during debian installation it looks beautiful |
| 02:33.31 | Archie1 | but if i install xorg manually it looks like crap |
| 02:33.33 | mosty | is it possible to use the debian install cd as a rescue cd, so that it uses the init on hard drive and not the one on the cd? |
| 02:33.44 | Guerin | Archie1: what do you mean by `manually'? |
| 02:33.53 | Archie1 | Guerin: apt-get install xorg :) |
| 02:33.53 | Guerin | mosty: i don't believe so. |
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| 02:34.05 | abrotman | !rescue |
| 02:34.06 | dpkg | i guess rescue is at http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/FAQ ("Can I use d-i as a rescue system?") See also <rescue mode>. |
| 02:34.09 | Guerin | Archie1: and what do you mean by `beautiful'? |
| 02:34.27 | Archie1 | clear screen perfect resolution... |
| 02:34.37 | Archie1 | gnome :) |
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| 02:34.49 | Guerin | Archie1: install gnome and /msg dpkg set up x |
| 02:34.49 | Archie1 | but i prefer fluxbox which is why i chose to do it manually |
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| 02:35.14 | Guerin | and fglrx isn't really supportable here, being proprietary arseware |
| 02:35.16 | Archie1 | Guerin: i install gnome-core didnt fix anything.. |
| 02:35.24 | mosty | Guerin, hmm then do you know of a simple rescue cd that can do what i want? |
| 02:35.30 | Guerin | Archie1: no, it won't fix anything to do with your resolution or x server settings |
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| 02:35.36 | Guerin | but it sounded like you want gnome |
| 02:35.40 | Guerin | perish the thought |
| 02:36.01 | Archie1 | Guerin: debian has a habit of configuring everything during installations.. |
| 02:36.14 | Archie1 | so thats why installing gnome _WOULD_ fix things |
| 02:36.16 | Archie1 | :) |
| 02:36.18 | enn2 | Hello ... I know that ion3 has been renamed to comply with the DSFG. I have a fresh etch install, but don't see either ion3 or particleman in the packages list. |
| 02:36.31 | Guerin | Archie1: no, it wouldn't |
| 02:36.34 | Archie1 | i'd just have to reinstall debian with Desktop suite selected |
| 02:36.48 | Guerin | Archie1: when you install an x server it does the same thing as in /msg dpkg set up x |
| 02:36.57 | stew | enn2: no, ion3 was removed from etch prior to its release, and particle man is very new, so it missed the etch release by a long time |
| 02:36.58 | Guerin | so re-do that and you should be able to get it how you like |
| 02:37.01 | Archie1 | i'll have to fetch the dvd overnight got slowass dsl here.. :( |
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| 02:37.19 | Guerin | Archie1: why dvd? |
| 02:37.19 | Archie1 | Guerin: i am talking from experience not guessing.. |
| 02:37.23 | stew | enn2: you could backport either: /msg dpkg simple sid backport |
| 02:37.36 | Archie1 | dvd has everything.. |
| 02:37.37 | Archie1 | :) |
| 02:37.46 | Guerin | Archie1: well, since installing gnome doesn't touch your xorg.conf at all, it would appear you ARE guessing. |
| 02:37.53 | Guerin | yes ... but you don't need it all |
| 02:37.56 | enn2 | stew: thanks, that sounds like the thing to do |
| 02:38.02 | Archie1 | Guerin: gnome depends on xorg :) |
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| 02:38.09 | Guerin | Archie1: no, it does not. |
| 02:38.11 | Archie1 | and if you dont have it it configures and installs it |
| 02:38.23 | Guerin | anyway |
| 02:38.24 | Archie1 | Guerin: ok forget gnome i mean the Desktop suite in taskel |
| 02:38.25 | wrg | What's the best window manager for G3 350Mhz, 320mb ram , for a debian server ? |
| 02:38.28 | Guerin | you have your answer |
| 02:38.30 | Guerin | !set up x |
| 02:38.31 | dpkg | To set up X in etch or later, "aptitude install xserver-xorg". Generally, say "no" to the question about the framebuffer. Also ask me about <drxx> for reconfiguring the xserver. |
| 02:38.41 | Guerin | wrg: no window manager is best for a server |
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| 02:39.11 | Archie1 | Guerin: i ran dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg 10 times already |
| 02:39.16 | Archie1 | i cant get the correct numbers.. |
| 02:39.22 | [alex] | Hi! I just installed 4.0r1 and I'd like to use bcm43xx for my ethernet card. Where can I find the firmware, and where should I put it once I get it? |
| 02:39.27 | Archie1 | which is why i need the debian scripts to do it for me :-P |
| 02:39.39 | Guerin | !factinfo set up x |
| 02:39.40 | dpkg | set up x -- last modified at Sat Nov 3 00:28:05 2007 by themill!~stuart@86.53.48.59; it has been requested 17 times, last by Guerin, 1m 9s ago. |
| 02:39.55 | Guerin | stew: do you know what happened to the old set up x factoid? It used to be much more comprehensive. |
| 02:39.58 | wrg | I have use firefox some times... |
| 02:40.01 | wrg | or etc |
| 02:40.23 | dondelelcaro | Guerin: you mean drxx? |
| 02:40.23 | wrg | not best for server, small window manager |
| 02:40.25 | stew | Guerin: yes, i split it into stuff relevant for sarge and suff relevant after sarge |
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| 02:40.37 | Guerin | wrg: why? Window managers on server boxen are stupid. But if you must, check xwinman.org |
| 02:40.46 | Guerin | stew: ah, where's the etch stuff nowadays? |
| 02:40.58 | stew | !set up x |
| 02:40.58 | dpkg | To set up X in etch or later, "aptitude install xserver-xorg". Generally, say "no" to the question about the framebuffer. Also ask me about <drxx> for reconfiguring the xserver. |
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| 02:41.15 | Guerin | dondelelcaro: no, i mean the one which had a one-liner to install read-edid and all the magic numbers and such |
| 02:41.18 | stew | actually that's not mine |
| 02:41.46 | stew | !set up x =~ s/xserver-xorg/xorg/ |
| 02:41.47 | dpkg | OK, stew |
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| 02:42.19 | stew | i ddin't thing read-edid was necessary with recent versions of xorg |
| 02:42.26 | stew | it certainly seems to be able to read edid on its own |
| 02:42.46 | abrotman | !reconfigure x |
| 02:42.46 | dpkg | i heard reconfigure x is dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 and answer the questions. If you don't know what hardware you have, you can use discover, read-edid and mdetect hardware detecting tools to help you. If you don't know how they work, read their manpages "man <program>".. From etch (Debian 4.0) onwards it's dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg |
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| 02:43.03 | Guerin | ok, perhaps it's all built in, then |
| 02:43.34 | stew | !no set up x is <reply> see install x |
| 02:43.34 | dpkg | stew: okay |
| 02:43.52 | stew | !install x is also to reconfigure your x server, ask me about <drxx> |
| 02:43.52 | dpkg | okay, stew |
| 02:43.54 | dondelelcaro | Guerin: ah |
| 02:43.55 | Guerin | Archie1: anyway, ther'e nothing preventing you from using an xorg.conf file generated by installing the Desktop task, which you say ghets it right. I can't see why it would be any different just installing the thing manually, though. |
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| 02:44.07 | nocti | how can i get a list of dpkg's info? |
| 02:44.17 | dondelelcaro | nocti: the bot? |
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| 02:44.18 | Guerin | nocti: /msg dpkg my factoids |
| 02:44.27 | nocti | the bot yes. thanks Guerin |
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| 02:45.10 | nocti | cool |
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| 02:46.36 | R0CK | hello guys, I'm running proxy software using ./aproxy.pl , after that I'm not able to close the shell, it shows me the process, how can i hide it ? |
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| 02:46.55 | abrotman | nohup aproxy.pl |
| 02:47.18 | R0CK | thanks |
| 02:47.49 | Archie1 | Guerin: because that features is made for noobies who cant configure files and it does it perfectly the first time :-P |
| 02:48.10 | R0CK | can i do something like, if it stops for any reason, it start it self again ? |
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| 02:49.40 | Guerin | Archie1: nope. You seem to be under the delusion there's a different process at work there. It's the same. |
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| 02:50.32 | Guerin | R0CK: there are a number of ways to do that, but none are trivial enough to do without understanding what it is you're doing. |
| 02:50.51 | R0CK | root@R0CK:/home/backup/aproxy-current/aproxy-0.71# nohub aproxy.pl aproxyrules |
| 02:50.52 | R0CK | bash: nohub: command not found |
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| 02:51.02 | Guerin | try typing properly |
| 02:51.27 | R0CK | root@R0CK:/home/backup/aproxy-current/aproxy-0.71# nohup aproxy.pl aproxyrules |
| 02:52.35 | abrotman | sounds like a fedora problem! |
| 02:53.17 | Archie1 | Guerin: there is another process, because when you install xorg with taskel you're only asked for resolutions and by default it works great, but dpkg-configure asks you a whole serious of questions.. |
| 02:53.33 | Archie1 | *series |
| 02:53.35 | Guerin | Archie1: oh, thy've changed that, then. |
| 02:53.45 | Archie1 | so there you go:) |
| 02:53.47 | R0CK | nohup: appending output to `nohup.out' |
| 02:53.47 | R0CK | is it works now ? |
| 02:54.00 | Guerin | it might be d-r -phigh |
| 02:54.07 | Guerin | Archie1: so there's your answer |
| 02:54.24 | Archie1 | let me give that a shot |
| 02:54.24 | Guerin | install the task, grab the xorg.conf file, and uninstall the bits you don't want |
| 02:54.40 | Guerin | or isolate which debconf action the task is using to configure it |
| 02:54.42 | Claudio32m | just wondering why a utility i have called ipscan doesnt scan the mac addresses of my debian boxes but it does scan the mac addresses of windows boxes |
| 02:54.46 | Claudio32m | anyone? |
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| 02:54.59 | Guerin | but I must say, it's always Just Worked for me - then again, I don't use fghellrx |
| 02:55.16 | Guerin | !htfswk Claudio32m |
| 02:55.16 | dpkg | Claudio32m: How The Fuck Should We Know? |
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| 02:56.14 | Xenguy | heh, #ubuntu this ain't... =) |
| 02:56.15 | Archie1 | Guerin: what do you mean by "install the task"? |
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| 02:56.42 | Archie1 | in taskel? |
| 02:56.43 | Archie1 | :) |
| 02:56.48 | Guerin | Archie1: the desktop task, per tasksel or aptitude |
| 02:56.52 | Claudio32m | dpkg: watch your language |
| 02:56.57 | Guerin | i believe aptitude also does all tasksel's work now |
| 02:57.07 | Archie1 | Claudio32m: dpkg is a bot |
| 02:57.19 | Xenguy | dpkg |
| 02:57.21 | Guerin | Claudio32m: the point was that we have no way of knowing how a random non-debian utility works. Ask the developer. |
| 02:57.36 | Xenguy | dpkg: hello? |
| 02:57.36 | dpkg | Hi, xenguy! |
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| 02:57.57 | Claudio32m | Guerin thats a better answer, thank you |
| 02:58.16 | Claudio32m | i thought maybe some flag in debian os would prevent it from being scnaned |
| 02:58.19 | Claudio32m | *scanned |
| 02:58.23 | Guerin | Claudio32m: welcome. Normally dpkg's answer is just subtle enough to get the message across. |
| 02:58.55 | Guerin | Claudio32m: could be any number of reasons., But debian does not hide or obfuscate MAC addresses. |
| 02:59.03 | Claudio32m | allright |
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| 03:00.56 | Xenguy | !wireless |
| 03:00.57 | dpkg | it has been said that wireless is The Linux Wireless LAN resource page is at http://www.hpl.hp.com/personal/Jean_Tourrilhes/Linux or try asking #wireless, or see http://www.fsf.org/resources/hw/net/wireless/cards.html, or ask me about <what's my wireless> |
| 03:02.08 | stew | Claudio32m: what exactly is the scan doing? |
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| 03:03.48 | mikes2 | !nvidia one-liner |
| 03:03.49 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, nvidia one-liner is apt-get install nvidia-kernel-2.6-`uname -r | sed 's,.*-,,g'` nvidia-settings nvidia-glx && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg (if you're on amd64, also install nvidia-glx-ia32. Using sarge? Ask me about <nvidia_sarge>. Homegrown or kernel from testing/sid: <nvidia_post_etch>. If you're using a Geforce2 or older: <nvidia_legacy>. |
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| 03:04.45 | R0CK | how to see the used ports ? |
| 03:05.02 | stew | R0CK: /msg dpkg open ports |
| 03:06.31 | ccfreak2k|laptop | Is there a package like glibc-compat in RedHat? |
| 03:06.57 | R0CK | root@R0CK:/home/backup/aproxy-current/aproxy-0.71# nohup aproxy.pl aproxyrules |
| 03:06.58 | R0CK | nohup: appending output to `nohup.out' |
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| 03:07.13 | R0CK | how to return back to prompt without closing the software ? |
| 03:07.23 | mikes2 | !nvidia |
| 03:07.23 | dpkg | To use an NVIDIA graphics card with Debian, see http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers. If you've done it before, ask me about <nvidia one-liner> for a reminder. |
| 03:07.44 | asg | ccfreak2k|laptop: /msg dpkg redhat crap |
| 03:08.06 | enn | ok, I just upgraded from etch to lenny and I still don't see particleman. What am I doing wrong? |
| 03:08.33 | stew | R0CK: start it with a '&' at the end of the line to start it in the background, or hit "ctrl-z" then type "bg" to put it in the background |
| 03:08.36 | Tramp | R0CK: Ctrl-Z followed by bg |
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| 03:10.19 | R0CK | thanks guys |
| 03:10.39 | stew | enn: hah, looks like it was removed already: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=452250 |
| 03:10.52 | R0CK | know i need the easiest way "if the pl stops for any reason, to run it self again" |
| 03:11.22 | R0CK | or tell me the key word to search? |
| 03:11.29 | enn | stew: ah, thanks |
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| 03:13.15 | R0CK | I'm sorry guys, but that proxy is really headache me.. |
| 03:13.42 | R0CK | it's stopping daily for unexpected reason |
| 03:14.09 | ccfreak2k|laptop | asg, the problem is, it's not "redhat crap". |
| 03:14.15 | ccfreak2k|laptop | It's "linux crap". |
| 03:14.37 | abrotman | !info daemon etch |
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| 03:17.40 | dpkg | daemon: (turns other processes into daemons), section utils, is optional. Version: 0.6.3-1 (etch), Packaged size: 97 kB, Installed size: 300 kB |
| 03:17.42 | ccfreak2k|laptop | Well, that's one stumped and one non-answer. |
| 03:17.58 | abrotman | maybe you should explain what the redhat crap does |
| 03:18.10 | asg | ccfreak2k|laptop: perhaps it would be helpful if you explain what glibc-compat is on redhat |
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| 03:18.48 | ccfreak2k|laptop | An older glibc for compatibility purposes. |
| 03:19.05 | k2t0f12d | !mp3 |
| 03:19.06 | dpkg | well, mp3 is MPEG 1 layer 3 audio compression, which allows for music to be traded, legally or not, over the internet., or an effective means of nonviolent civil disobedience, or patented in US and Germany (ask about ogg vorbis) |
| 03:19.07 | ccfreak2k|laptop | Slow to answer, quick to criticize.. |
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| 03:19.46 | k2t0f12d | !ogg vorbis |
| 03:19.46 | dpkg | i heard ogg vorbis is an MP3 alternative, see http://www.vorbis.com/. |
| 03:19.56 | asg | ccfreak2k|laptop: sorry, I was greasing the cat. What version of glibc do you need? |
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| 03:21.45 | crossd | does debian only include free software? |
| 03:21.50 | crossd | in the repos? |
| 03:21.57 | crossd | is it part of the social contract? |
| 03:21.59 | asg | crossd: /msg dpkg non-free |
| 03:21.59 | abrotman | there is non-free and contrib also |
| 03:22.05 | ccfreak2k|laptop | glibc 2.1. |
| 03:22.34 | ccfreak2k|laptop | I think I should probably mention that it's Debian Etch. |
| 03:22.59 | asg | ccfreak2k|laptop: |
| 03:23.01 | asg | eep |
| 03:23.40 | asg | ccfreak2k|laptop: the first package mentioned in the factoid is for glibc 2.1. I don't know if that is doable with etch though. |
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| 03:24.52 | crossd | how many platforms does it support? |
| 03:25.24 | asg | crossd: all of the ones debian supports unless it's non-free binary crap that only works with i386 |
| 03:25.36 | crossd | yes how many are those |
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| 03:25.38 | crossd | in number |
| 03:25.42 | asg | crossd: 11 |
| 03:26.12 | abrotman | !ports |
| 03:26.12 | dpkg | i guess ports is http://www.debian.org/ports/, or http://www.isi.edu/in-notes/iana/assignments/port-numbers, or the FreeBSD ports system etc etc |
| 03:26.50 | mosty | i'm using the RIP rescue cd (on a usb) stick to try and boot into my debian system to fix it's bootloader. it seems to boot ok, but then stops and says "unable to open an initial console". do i need a special kernel arg to fix this? |
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| 03:27.17 | asg | abrotman: any port in a storm? |
| 03:27.38 | abrotman | i don't know how true that is |
| 03:27.44 | abrotman | someone fix his modem! |
| 03:27.44 | k2t0f12d | !amarok |
| 03:27.44 | dpkg | amarok is probably THE audio player for KDE |
| 03:27.58 | k2t0f12d | !mp3 amarok |
| 03:28.00 | Tramp | !tell k2t0f12d about selftell |
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| 03:30.12 | extor | How do I figure out why I am blacklisted? ----> *** Banned Temporary K-line 4320 min. - Blacklisted IP found. Visit http://cbl.abuseat.org/lookup.cgi?ip=24.1.244.86 for info. (2007/11/28 19.21) |
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| 03:30.58 | crossd | can i mix branches? |
| 03:31.09 | crossd | like have stable, unstable and testing branches? |
| 03:31.16 | abrotman | extor: blacklisted from what? |
| 03:31.27 | extor | from efnet |
| 03:31.34 | abrotman | extor: how the fuck would we know .. ask them |
| 03:31.37 | extor | efnet klined me |
| 03:31.48 | extor | abroteman I already asked them and they are clueless |
| 03:31.55 | abrotman | how could we possibly help you? |
| 03:31.57 | extor | they referred me to abuseat.org |
| 03:31.58 | nocti | i installed splashy and enabled unstable repos for that. it installed a new glibc with it. i then uninstalled splashy. how do i get the old glibc back? just delete the unstable repo from sources.list and do an apt-get update? thanks. |
| 03:32.26 | extor | well you could possibly help me if you had a clue as to how these blacklists work and how many there are etc etc I dunno! |
| 03:32.35 | stiv2k | help i am getting a permission denied when trying to view an nfs share, but i am in the same group as the owner of the folder so it should be working (it USED to work, i didnt change anything iirc) |
| 03:32.44 | crossd | anyone? |
| 03:32.59 | abrotman | crossd: can you .. yes .. is it likely to break your system .. very much so |
| 03:33.10 | extor | I mean if you knew how to help me, you would! Obviously you don't so dont ask me HOW you can help me when I am helpless myself obviously |
| 03:33.25 | abrotman | extor: this is a support channel for debian .. not efnet |
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| 03:33.48 | extor | I'm running debian |
| 03:33.58 | extor | with chrootkit and rkhunter |
| 03:34.04 | abrotman | and has nothing to do with efnet |
| 03:34.04 | crossd | debian favors gnome right? |
| 03:34.05 | extor | Its a semi debian question |
| 03:34.08 | abrotman | crossd: no |
| 03:34.13 | abrotman | extor: no it's not .. not even close |
| 03:34.15 | karsten | crossd: no. |
| 03:34.16 | extor | yes debian defaults to gnome so it does favor gnome |
| 03:34.20 | abrotman | no it doesn't |
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| 03:34.25 | nocti | no it doesn't |
| 03:34.27 | crossd | hm? |
| 03:34.39 | extor | debian always defaults to gnome, even ubuntu does |
| 03:34.44 | abrotman | no it doesn't |
| 03:34.47 | extor | slakware and knoppix default to KDE |
| 03:34.53 | nocti | just the default install to have a working desktop for everyone else. but it doesn't favor anything. it favors the console tho. |
| 03:35.08 | abrotman | crossd: ignore extor |
| 03:35.12 | ccfreak2k|laptop | extor, was your IP address assigned by DHCP? |
| 03:35.27 | extor | yes DHCP |
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| 03:35.37 | extor | however I have had this same IP addy for almost a week |
| 03:35.42 | ccfreak2k|laptop | Then you probably got an IP address from a machine that was abusing whatever service that was. |
| 03:37.23 | karsten | extor: Closest there is to a desktop install is the "desktop-base" package, which *suggests* gnome | kde | xfce4 | wmaker |
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| 03:38.09 | extor | karsten yeah and I used that and WITHOUT THINKING went through the default and gnome was installed |
| 03:38.26 | karsten | extor: Then uninstall GNOME and install what you want. |
| 03:38.41 | extor | I mean I have installed debian dozens of times and each time I somehow end up with gnome without realizing how so its quite reasonable to say that debian favors gnome |
| 03:38.45 | karsten | extor: You were prompted at some point as to what desktop to install, I'm pretty certain. |
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| 03:39.12 | k2t0f12d | Bah install em both |
| 03:39.23 | extor | you might be certain but I am not certain if I was prompted or not..this "prompt" was probably defaulting to gnome since I don't recall ever having a clear choice |
| 03:39.40 | amphi | extor: I have installed debian many times, and never ended up with gnome - not once ;) |
| 03:39.40 | abrotman | it's the first in the list ... it's alphabetical |
| 03:39.52 | karsten | extor: if this is a recent install, take a look at /var/log/aptitude.log and/or /var/log/dpkg.log |
| 03:39.57 | asg | extor: if you want kde, /msg dpkg install kde. If you want gnome, /msg dpkg install gnome |
| 03:39.58 | extor | amphi you must have chosen KDE over gnome then |
| 03:40.00 | karsten | extor: ... which will show your system installation history. |
| 03:40.06 | amphi | extor: indeed I did not |
| 03:40.14 | tnks_ | I was curious what kinds of shells are used in install scripts, so I ran "head -1 -q /var/lib/dpkg/info/*.{pre,post}{rm,inst} | sort | uniq" |
| 03:40.14 | abrotman | extor: moral of the story .. don't use tasksel .. it sucks |
| 03:40.20 | karsten | amphi: You're running braillewm? |
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| 03:40.31 | amphi | extor: I have never installed either of them |
| 03:40.32 | tnks_ | I got a nice short list, but I also got some weird binary output. Anybody know why? |
| 03:40.34 | karsten | abrotman: It's useful, for those who like that sort of thing. |
| 03:40.36 | amphi | karsten: openbox ;) |
| 03:40.42 | karsten | amphi: Same thing. |
| 03:40.42 | abrotman | karsten: or don't know how to use debian? :) |
| 03:40.47 | extor | I did the curses install...I always choose "expert26" or "expert" from the install menu and I always end up with gnome and never KDE |
| 03:40.55 | abrotman | oh jeez |
| 03:41.10 | karsten | abrotman: jizz? |
| 03:41.28 | abrotman | wait for the special night! |
| 03:41.33 | extor | Anyone who ends up with KDE obviously saw a choice between gnome and KDE and chose KDE over gnome rather than leaving it at default |
| 03:41.41 | karsten | extor: Kindly check your install logs. |
| 03:41.55 | karsten | extor: ... and practice silent meditation in the meatntime. |
| 03:41.59 | extor | what will I find in my install logs? |
| 03:42.07 | abrotman | he already told you |
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| 03:42.46 | extor | Look I got vmware running here...I can easily install debian from scratch again and it will default to gnome. I got no clue how you people end up with KDE as the default WITHOUT CHOOSING |
| 03:42.48 | nocti | installed debian dozens of times :) |
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| 03:43.04 | extor | nocti did you get a choice of gnome vs. KDE at some point? |
| 03:43.16 | abrotman | STOP USING TASKSEL |
| 03:43.20 | nocti | extor: i use netinstall. always had. |
| 03:43.32 | abrotman | heh |
| 03:44.13 | nocti | what is this gnome/kde you speak of |
| 03:44.51 | extor | The only thing that bothers me is that KDE seems to have more apps than gnome, and nicer ones. But by now I am more at home in gnome sadly |
| 03:45.34 | ccfreak2k|laptop | I wasn't aware that you were verboten to install KDE after system installation. |
| 03:45.47 | zinx | extor: not like you can't run KDE apps in gnome |
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| 03:46.05 | nocti | you need to stay in windows |
| 03:46.24 | extor | I actually do have my theme setup to emulate windows |
| 03:46.35 | amphi | how attractive |
| 03:46.40 | extor | indeed |
| 03:47.27 | abrotman | wtf |
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| 03:48.03 | abrotman | !ubuntu |
| 03:48.03 | dpkg | Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu (irc.freenode.net) instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. |
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| 03:49.34 | DawnLight | good morning #ubuntu |
| 03:49.55 | bucky | Password: |
| 03:50.04 | tnks_ | related to my last comment about the binary goop, I think it's maybe because of limitations in the number of tokens bash can handle. |
| 03:50.05 | DawnLight | ********** |
| 03:50.13 | karsten | DawnLight: Same as mine! |
| 03:50.18 | bucky | mydogsname |
| 03:50.31 | asg | bucky: bobafettlicksittightBORKBORK |
| 03:50.34 | DawnLight | i did consider naming my bitch ubuntu |
| 03:50.40 | karsten | bucky: So your dog is named ahriesei4aiLaedeiTha too? |
| 03:50.40 | dondelelcaro | tnks_: it's actually the fact that there's a maximum command length for execve et al. |
| 03:50.47 | dondelelcaro | tnks_: bash builtins don't have such a limitation |
| 03:50.57 | extor | I still can't figure out what ubuntus gameplan is...I know its debian testing with a few tweaks and has a sort of mostly one way symbiotic relationship with debian but what are they trying to do |
| 03:51.06 | abrotman | extor: ask #ubuntu |
| 03:51.46 | goat | oxymoron: one way symbiotic ? |
| 03:51.59 | DawnLight | spider-man shit |
| 03:52.02 | extor | MOSTLY one way |
| 03:52.18 | extor | read a bit more carefully |
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| 03:53.09 | tnks_ | dondelelcaro: interesting. So what's a command that doesn't suffer from this? |
| 03:53.25 | goat | i'm not disagreeing with you... but isn't symbiosis considered two way, thats what i'm getting at... anyways, thats besides the point |
| 03:53.47 | dondelelcaro | tnks_: there aren't any; you generally want to use xargs instead |
| 03:53.51 | extor | yes it is considered two ways |
| 03:53.53 | karsten | goat: OT. |
| 03:54.03 | goat | yes |
| 03:54.05 | extor | what I meant to convey was that ububtu takes a huge lot but gives back very little |
| 03:54.05 | abrotman | if you want to talk about Ubuntu .. go to #ubuntu |
| 03:54.17 | extor | abroteman I am already there |
| 03:54.29 | asg | extor: then talk there, we don't care here |
| 03:54.31 | abrotman | then shut up about it here |
| 03:55.06 | extor | I'm just discussing english grammer now, not ubuntu |
| 03:55.11 | extor | and evidently goat does care |
| 03:55.13 | dondelelcaro | tnks_: so in this case, find /var/lib/dpkg/info -iname '*.pre*' -iname '*.post' -print0|xargs -0 head -1 -q|sort|uniq |
| 03:55.16 | stiv2k | help i am getting a permission denied when trying to view an nfs share, but i am in the same group as the owner of the folder so it should be working (it USED to work, i didnt change anything iirc) |
| 03:55.22 | dondelelcaro | err... -o -iname, of course. |
| 03:55.40 | goat | i was already told i'm off topic, so i'm done extor |
| 03:55.47 | mosty | extor, whatever the ubuntu devs are doing, it's working |
| 03:55.47 | dondelelcaro | extor: neither of which are on topic; please restrain yourself to things which are Debian related. |
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| 03:58.54 | DawnLight | in the debian reference 8.6.35.1, 'Run a different Debian distribution with chroot', i got to the point where there's a line 'chroot apt-setup set-up /etc/apt/sources.list' what is apt-setup and why does it have a #? i don't get it |
| 03:59.16 | abrotman | heheh |
| 03:59.19 | abrotman | apt-setup is long gone |
| 03:59.28 | karsten | DawnLight: '#' is generally a root prompt. |
| 03:59.43 | karsten | DawnLight: apt-setup was used to set up apt-get sources (/etc/apt/sources.list) |
| 03:59.55 | Guerin | now you can use apt-spy |
| 04:00.01 | Guerin | or netselect-apt |
| 04:00.01 | DawnLight | so should i just edit the sources? |
| 04:00.07 | dondelelcaro | or just manually edit, yes. |
| 04:00.08 | karsten | DawnLight: ... and it's apparently be obsoleted, I can't keep up any more. |
| 04:00.17 | karsten | DawnLight: Sure, manual edit. |
| 04:00.31 | karsten | DawnLight: The docs are for sarge? |
| 04:00.39 | karsten | abrotman: apt-setup was in sarge but not etch or what? |
| 04:00.41 | DawnLight | http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-tips.en.html#s-chroot-debian |
| 04:00.53 | abrotman | karsten: in sarge .. gone in etch/lenny/sid |
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| 04:01.40 | karsten | abrotman: Dig. |
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| 04:01.44 | karsten | abrotman: Thanks. |
| 04:01.57 | abrotman | !apt-setup |
| 04:01.57 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, apt-setup is a means of adding a Debian mirror to your APT sources. To install from a cd-rom ask me about <apt-cdrom>. apt-setup is no longer available as a .deb (usable on an installed system) in etch and later since base-config was removed (http://lists.debian.org/debian-boot/2006/01/msg00199.html). <apt-spy> or 'netselect-apt' can be used instead. |
| 04:02.06 | tnks_ | dondelelcaro: cool. thanks. |
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| 04:03.13 | Samonoske | how do i remove a package |
| 04:03.23 | abrotman | man aptitude |
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| 04:03.39 | Samonoske | so how would the command look |
| 04:03.46 | DawnLight | can i remove net-base in my chroot debian? |
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| 04:04.10 | abrotman | Samonoske: man aptitude |
| 04:04.13 | karsten | DawnLight: aptitude remove <packagename> |
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| 04:04.24 | karsten | Samonoske: ^^ |
| 04:04.28 | abrotman | cheater! |
| 04:04.51 | karsten | abrotman: And that's only the start of it. |
| 04:05.09 | DawnLight | i don't quite get this chroot installation thing yet |
| 04:05.13 | Samonoske | aptitude remove apache2 doesn't work |
| 04:05.26 | abrotman | that's not the package name |
| 04:05.38 | Samonoske | but it rejects the aptitude as a command |
| 04:05.46 | karsten | Samonoske: dpkg --get-selections | grep apache |
| 04:05.49 | DawnLight | Samonoske: open aptitude with no arguments |
| 04:05.51 | karsten | Samonoske: is aptitude install? |
| 04:05.59 | Samonoske | apt-get |
| 04:05.59 | karsten | Samonoske: /all/alled/ |
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| 04:06.23 | Samonoske | doesn't exist |
| 04:06.26 | Samonoske | karsten |
| 04:06.44 | Samonoske | i'm trying to reinstall apache2 because the knoppix en..iso didn't come with a httpd.conf file |
| 04:06.45 | karsten | Samonoske: Install aptitude |
| 04:06.48 | Samonoske | and i can't make my own |
| 04:06.49 | karsten | !tell Samonoske about aptitude |
| 04:07.04 | abrotman | !refcard |
| 04:07.04 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, refcard is A short reference of Debian commands can be found at http://people.debian.org/~debacle/refcard/ and will be quite useful for someone new to Debian. |
| 04:07.06 | DawnLight | can i remove initscripts from a chroot installation? |
| 04:07.08 | karsten | Samonoske: Um, are you working on a Debian system or a Knoppix system? |
| 04:07.24 | Samonoske | knoppix livecd with a Debian distro |
| 04:07.45 | abrotman | cute |
| 04:07.46 | karsten | Samonoske: That doesn't make sense. |
| 04:07.53 | abrotman | it's knoppix |
| 04:08.11 | karsten | Samonoske: A Knoppix HD install is Knoppix, not Debian. |
| 04:08.20 | karsten | Samonoske: Either start fresh, or /join #knoppix. |
| 04:08.37 | DawnLight | Samonoske: install debian. it's good for you |
| 04:08.49 | Samonoske | kk |
| 04:08.57 | Samonoske | <----n00b |
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| 04:10.08 | karsten | Samonoske: We know :) |
| 04:10.34 | Samonoske | but isn't knoppix based on debian? |
| 04:10.47 | karsten | Samonoske: /msg dpkg knoppix |
| 04:10.54 | karsten | Samonoske: /msg dpkg based on debian |
| 04:11.08 | karsten | Samonoske: Short answer: no. Don't ask. |
| 04:11.15 | Samonoske | kk |
| 04:11.31 | karsten | Samonoske: ...or rather, it doesn't matter whether it is or not. |
| 04:11.55 | karsten | Is there a good way to use shell redirection w/ sudo? |
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| 04:12.33 | karsten | I'd like to append a file to another. Obviously 'sudo cat <file >>file2' doesn't work. I can invoke vi interactively but that's not what I'd like to do. |
| 04:12.56 | karsten | Samonoske: Ignore the sharpened stakes and boiling cauldrons. |
| 04:13.11 | Samonoske | with pleasure |
| 04:13.19 | karsten | Samonoske: The natives are friendly. |
| 04:13.29 | nocti | karsten: cat file >> file2? |
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| 04:13.42 | Samonoske | yea freeNode linux peeps are a lot better than undernet |
| 04:13.46 | karsten | nocti: The problem is that the redirect is interpreted by the shell invoking sudo. |
| 04:13.46 | Guerin | karsten: sudo -c ? |
| 04:13.51 | karsten | Guerin: Hrm. |
| 04:13.55 | squisher | karsten: have you tried sudo 'cat file1 >> file2'? |
| 04:14.12 | squisher | it's likely that it won't work though :) |
| 04:14.21 | Guerin | i forget whether -c applies to sudo |
| 04:14.32 | Guerin | but in any7 case, you can do sudo sh whatever command |
| 04:14.42 | karsten | squisher: 'command cat file1 >> file2 not found' |
| 04:14.45 | karsten | Guerin: Nope. |
| 04:14.50 | abrotman | karsten: sudo -c "(cat < file1 >> file2)" ? |
| 04:14.52 | enn | How can I list the files provided by an (installed) package, or find out which package installed a certain file? |
| 04:15.05 | Guerin | enn: /msg dpkg search |
| 04:15.06 | karsten | !win Guerin |
| 04:15.06 | dpkg | Congratulations, Guerin! You have won a one way ticket to Rio de Janeiro! |
| 04:15.11 | karsten | Guerin: The 'sh' trick did it. |
| 04:15.17 | karsten | $ sudo sh -c 'df >bar' |
| 04:15.17 | Guerin | i could dig rio |
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| 04:15.58 | enn | Guerin: thanks |
| 04:16.19 | Guerin | enn: welcome |
| 04:16.24 | enn | hmm, apt-file is telling me a package provides no files |
| 04:16.26 | brianski | is there a way to add a grub entry that says "open the boot loader on another hard disk and start that bootloader instead" ? |
| 04:16.41 | abrotman | enn: which package? |
| 04:16.49 | enn | or I'm misunderstanding its use |
| 04:16.51 | enn | ttf-inconsolata |
| 04:16.53 | Guerin | brianski: #grub is probably the bestest place |
| 04:16.56 | brianski | ie i currently have two grub installs, one on each of my hard drives, and i want to easily simulate booting fro the other in the event that one ails |
| 04:16.58 | abrotman | brianski: i think there's a chain method ... ask #grub |
| 04:17.02 | brianski | Guerin: oh hey how about that.... thanks |
| 04:17.13 | karsten | OK, any way to say "just set user password to some cleartext password and don't prompt me'? |
| 04:17.23 | enn | abrotman: nm, I see it now |
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| 04:17.38 | tnks_ | so, I was curious about scripts that use shells more advanced than sh. For instance sudo uses perl. Should the sudo package then be dependant on perl? |
| 04:17.44 | abrotman | http://packages.debian.org/lenny/ttf-inconsolata/all/filelist |
| 04:18.39 | karsten | Yep. |
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| 04:25.04 | axscode | whats the parameter for dig to show all domain in an IP? |
| 04:25.14 | karsten | axscode: There isn't one. |
| 04:25.28 | axscode | what do you mean? |
| 04:25.37 | karsten | axscode: Funny, I was going to ask that myself. |
| 04:26.10 | karsten | axscode: Though i suspect that knowing what your question is won't change the answer. |
| 04:26.22 | axscode | really.. what do you mean? what do you mean there isnt one? |
| 04:26.42 | karsten | axscode: Take a wild stab at it. |
| 04:27.35 | karsten | axscode: Closest you _might_ get is an '-x' query |
| 04:27.37 | DawnLight | can i remove sysvinit from a chroot installation? |
| 04:28.03 | karsten | axscode: if the remote server allows domain transfers from your address, you can request one as well, in general that won't work though. |
| 04:28.08 | karsten | DawnLight: To what end? |
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| 04:28.45 | DawnLight | karsten: i'm trying to understand the chroot functionality and the debian system better |
| 04:28.47 | karsten | DawnLight: Is this a general chroot or a restricted one? Either way, you probably don't want to run multiple sets of services. Specifically chrooted services is another matter. |
| 04:29.11 | karsten | DawnLight: chroot just sets the effective root directory for a process and its children to a specified level. |
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| 04:29.37 | karsten | DawnLight: If you try to run to apache instances on port 80 from inside and outside the chroot, the last one to launch will fail as the socket's already busy. |
| 04:29.41 | DawnLight | karsten: so i don't need all the initscripts |
| 04:29.55 | karsten | DawnLight: Depends on what you're planning on doing with the chroot. |
| 04:29.59 | NineTeen67Comet | Good afternoon. I am installing the Business card sized .iso and am at the point "Software Selection". It is a headless server so no X is needed (No [Desktop environment] and no [Laptop] .. but by default [Standard System] is also checked. All this is going to be is Web Server, Print Server, File Server and SQL server. Do I still need Standard System checked? |
| 04:30.02 | karsten | DawnLight: So long as you don't run them, you're OK. |
| 04:30.10 | DawnLight | karsten: i'm not planning to boot it anyhow |
| 04:30.15 | karsten | DawnLight: I'd probably leave them in place but disable any network services. |
| 04:30.20 | karsten | DawnLight: ... that would also work. |
| 04:30.31 | karsten | NineTeen67Comet: No |
| 04:30.43 | NineTeen67Comet | Awesome .. the lesser the better .. :) |
| 04:30.45 | NineTeen67Comet | thank you. |
| 04:31.10 | karsten | NineTeen67Comet: You can do a minimal install and just add what you want. Leaner system, total install time takes longer if you don't already know what you'll need. |
| 04:31.19 | karsten | NineTeen67Comet: ... but it's the approach I generally use. |
| 04:31.48 | NineTeen67Comet | karsten: I "pretty much" know. But I like how the installer will link all the apps together for you. After a few years with Gentoo I've about configured myself silly .. ;) |
| 04:32.02 | karsten | NineTeen67Comet: :) |
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| 04:32.38 | NineTeen67Comet | karsten: thanks much for the info though. I'm sure if this box keeps running (my last Ubuntu Server 7.10 kept locking up randomly) I'll be in here asking a few little questions I'm sure. |
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| 04:34.13 | karsten | NineTeen67Comet: NP. |
| 04:34.16 | karsten | NineTeen67Comet: Good luck. |
| 04:34.26 | NineTeen67Comet | donka |
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| 04:35.25 | karsten | How do you get a listing of the contents of a cpio archive? |
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| 04:38.26 | simonrvn | cpio -l ? :P |
| 04:38.30 | karsten | Yeah. |
| 04:38.58 | karsten | Now, how to get that with perms and owners... |
| 04:39.05 | karsten | -v |
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| 04:40.21 | simonrvn | -t, --list |
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| 04:40.49 | simonrvn | works well with -v yeh |
| 04:41.57 | karsten | OK, rebooting this mofo again. |
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| 04:50.17 | aeshyamae | hi my touchpad is not having the scroll,drag functions working in debian etch. its doing its basic working to move the mouse and to click and double click.....i have xserver-xorg-input-synaptics installed but qsynaptics says to install the driver and to configure XF86...is it really qsynaptics i am supposed to use to configure the touchpad? |
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| 04:51.25 | elmo_proxy | hrmm... do i need to be identified first? |
| 04:51.29 | DawnLight | !tell aeshyamae about synaptics |
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| 04:55.39 | fisxoj | aeshyamae: is it a dell laptop? |
| 04:55.49 | fisxoj | I had to patch the kernel to get it to realize it was a touchpad |
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| 04:58.32 | aeshyamae | fisxoj: I am on acer aspire 5570z |
| 04:58.34 | dondelelcaro | aeshyamae: qsynaptics is just a gui program that you can use. If you want, you can just call synclient directly |
| 04:59.10 | dondelelcaro | aeshyamae: you should double check to make sure that you are using the synaptics driver in your xorg.conf, not the normal mouse driver too |
| 04:59.50 | aeshyamae | dondelelcaro: synclient -l says Can't access shared memory area. SHMConfig disabled? |
| 05:00.02 | fisxoj | aeshyamae: then, I don't know have you tried looking through google to see if anyone else has the problem? |
| 05:00.23 | fisxoj | before my kernel was patched to know i have a touchpad, I got that error too |
| 05:00.32 | aeshyamae | yes for last our i am trying to set this up googling |
| 05:00.42 | fisxoj | hmm |
| 05:00.58 | aeshyamae | *one hour |
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| 05:02.04 | aeshyamae | i have SHMConfig "true" or else it was "on" in xorg.conf |
| 05:02.54 | fisxoj | this turned up in ubuntu forums about your touchpad, I think |
| 05:02.54 | fisxoj | http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=298765&highlight=Aspire+Four+way+buttons |
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| 05:10.25 | aeshyamae | fisxoj: thanks a lott i didnt tried to be model specific..this thing is cool as it concentrates on the model..thanks..ill come after an Xrestart to say hopefully the happy news:) |
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| 05:12.04 | squisher | can anyone tell me why debian doesn't have linux-images for xen in sid? |
| 05:12.18 | aeshyamae | fisxoj: happpy:) i missed to add the thing to server layout:) |
| 05:12.28 | fisxoj | hooray! |
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| 05:15.19 | jngu1 | anyone know the keycode for middle click? |
| 05:15.56 | DawnLight | can i connect a chrooted xclient to my x server? |
| 05:18.15 | DawnLight | perhaps through ssh -X to localhost... but is there another way? |
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| 05:18.35 | DawnLight | i don't want to be running multiple servers |
| 05:20.40 | Tramp | DawnLight: bind-mount /tmp/.X11-unix into your chroot /tmp or let X listen |
| 05:20.52 | Tramp | on tcp |
| 05:22.29 | DawnLight | Tramp: "mount -o bind /tmp/.X11-unix /sid-root/tmp/" ? |
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| 05:22.44 | Tramp | DawnLight: and then of course, in any case - you have to get the authentication right. |
| 05:23.08 | Tramp | DawnLight: Yes, that mount should work. Just try. |
| 05:23.14 | DawnLight | i don't know how xclients authenticate |
| 05:23.29 | Tramp | DawnLight: well, you don't want to know ... |
| 05:24.31 | jngu1 | anyone know how to determine the middle mouse button's keycode? |
| 05:24.33 | Tramp | DawnLight: copy the .Xauthority of the user who is currently logged in to the user's home who runs the xclient in the chroot |
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| 05:26.13 | Tramp | DawnLight: or run a weird command which includes xauth extract piped into xauth merge, iirc |
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| 05:27.47 | DawnLight | bah |
| 05:28.03 | DawnLight | i'll use ssh -X |
| 05:28.12 | bucky | with xauth |
| 05:28.16 | Tramp | DawnLight: or, the recommended way, run xhost + to disable Authentication completely |
| 05:28.49 | DawnLight | i like authentication |
| 05:30.22 | Tramp | well, on a non-shared workstation, when X is not listening on tcp there is not really much application for it |
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| 05:33.56 | mrynit | is there a way to se if the swap partion is working fine? |
| 05:33.59 | DawnLight | i'd rather open a door in the chrooted installation then unlock a door in the original |
| 05:34.13 | DawnLight | mrynit: why souldn't it |
| 05:34.17 | DawnLight | wouldn't |
| 05:34.55 | mrynit | install said it was not normal. uswusp or something |
| 05:35.10 | jngu1 | anyone know how to determine the middle mouse button's keycode? |
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| 05:36.44 | philips | jngu1: xev? |
| 05:36.54 | jngu1 | is that just xfree86? |
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| 05:37.17 | philips | jngu1: i don't know. What are you looking for? |
| 05:37.28 | jngu1 | the middle mouse button's keycode |
| 05:37.43 | philips | jngu1: try xev and see if it gets you what you want |
| 05:37.47 | jngu1 | I'm trying to write a script that will take a keyboard shortcut and generate the middle click event. |
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| 05:49.20 | gamag | I am having a problem with Iceweasel. When I middle click to close a tab, the tab closes but the next tab that is in focus now changes its URL to "about:" automatically |
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| 05:49.51 | gamag | also when I open a new tab with CTRL + T, the focus doesn't go to the address bar and I have to press an extra CTRL + L to start typing the address. |
| 05:50.26 | obfucius | hey, I've got a question: How do I type in special characters (like cryllic, etc.) on linux? |
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| 05:52.24 | dondelelcaro | obfucius: depends on the input mode, but if there are compose bindings for them, you use that. Otherwise you input the unicode numbers |
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| 05:52.59 | dondelelcaro | !extended chars |
| 05:53.00 | dpkg | extended chars is probably to enter chars like ïÇô¿ or éâßñ in X, "xmodmap -e 'keycode 117 = Multi_key'". After that, you can use your rightmost windows key as a Compose key, e.g. pressing windows-key, ~, n in sequence will produce ñ or ñ, or the complete list of combinations is in /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/*/Compose, where * depends on your locale (iso8859-1 is default), or similar functionality for the console can be achieved using the loadkeys command |
| 05:53.34 | dondelelcaro | dpkg: extended chars =~ s/iso8859-1/utf8/ |
| 05:53.34 | dpkg | OK, dondelelcaro |
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| 05:53.55 | dalias | :) |
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| 05:54.58 | jngu1 | so it turns out the middle click does NOT send a keycode. |
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| 05:58.14 | jngu1 | Anyone know how to generate an X11 mouse event? (Middle click) |
| 05:59.46 | Guerin | jngu1: why ask in #debian? Ask in #xorg |
| 05:59.59 | jngu1 | Guerin: Good point. |
| 06:00.15 | jngu1 | lol |
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| 06:00.22 | jngu1 | #debian has turned into my everything linux channel. |
| 06:01.43 | bucky | jngu1, is it a ps/2 mouse ? |
| 06:01.53 | jngu1 | USB |
| 06:01.56 | jngu1 | but shouldn't matter. |
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| 06:02.10 | jngu1 | I'm trying to write something that will allow me to generate a middle click via keyboard. |
| 06:02.12 | bucky | the protocol matters in xorg.conf |
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| 06:02.38 | jngu1 | yes, but I'm just trying to generate what XOrg generates. |
| 06:03.33 | daaku | anyone know if cron can be made to support symlinks in /etc/cron.d? |
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| 06:04.44 | bucky | x86free used to have that graphical mouse configuration |
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| 06:16.59 | levon | how do i setup my atheros card in debian i386 xfce? |
| 06:17.08 | enouf | hey Nyle .. yo |
| 06:17.33 | dondelelcaro | levon: m-a a-i madwifi; |
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| 06:18.15 | levon | what if i dont have internet connection only my wireless card? |
| 06:18.19 | levon | any way to do it |
| 06:18.39 | dondelelcaro | levon: get the packages that m-a a-i would need onto your laptop somehow. |
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| 06:19.16 | dondelelcaro | levon: it needs the -headers package for your kernel, the madwifi-source package, and you'll probably also want the madwifi-tools package. |
| 06:20.07 | levon | thats the package right m-a a-i so like this apt-get install -d madwifi |
| 06:20.19 | dondelelcaro | levon: uh... not quite |
| 06:20.26 | levon | or apt-get install -d m-a a-i |
| 06:20.47 | dondelelcaro | levon: no, it's just aptitude install module-assistant; m-a a-i madwifi;. |
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| 06:21.37 | levon | dondelelcaro can i just get the deb file and burn it to a cd an then transfer it to my laptop? |
| 06:21.44 | enouf | levon: "m-a a-i" is just shorthand for "module-assistant auto-install" |
| 06:22.25 | levon | so aptitude get module-assistant; m-a a-i madwifi; |
| 06:22.30 | dondelelcaro | levon: you'll need about 5 deb files, both -headers, module-assistant, the -source package, and the -tools package. |
| 06:22.47 | levon | lol alright ill try this out to see if i can get em |
| 06:22.50 | enouf | and build-essential? |
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| 06:25.39 | levon | dondelelcaro i would like to get the packages without installing them aptitude get? |
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| 06:26.15 | SQLDb | anyone have an idea as to why esd will only work for me, if I kill it, and re-start it (via esd &, commandline), when I log in to gnome? |
| 06:26.53 | enouf | SQLDb: maybe some wrong default config loading on 1st login |
| 06:27.39 | enouf | SQLDb: poke around all your gnome preferences, i don't use gnome, and haven't |
| 06:28.34 | SQLDb | enouf: yeah, I shall... Gnome seems to want to use arts, instead... :) (I've been out of linux, for about a year and a half... just getting back into it... my how things have changed!) |
| 06:29.04 | levon | dondelelcaro okay i think i got it aptitude download then the files right? |
| 06:29.45 | levon | aptitude download module-assistant; m-a a-i madwifi; |
| 06:29.54 | enouf | SQLDb: do this when you 1st login and again after you restart it and it's working properly -- as root; lsof | egrep 'esd|arts' > file1.txt (then again when working to file2.txt) and compare |
| 06:30.32 | enouf | SQLDb: arts is generally kde related iirc, somehow tell it to stop that |
| 06:31.11 | levon | dang it it didnt work |
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| 06:32.27 | levon | aptitude download module-assistant; m-a a-i madwifi; i did this but its still trying to install instead of downloading the .deb packages what might i be doing wrong |
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| 06:32.40 | enouf | levon: don't do the m-a a-i until you're actually ready to install |
| 06:32.48 | levon | aww |
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| 06:34.09 | enouf | levon: what's uname -a say? |
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| 06:34.31 | levon | enouf i have to do it on my laptop be right back |
| 06:34.40 | unixipher | hi, is there any application that controls swf files " playing, forwarding, and rewind" ? |
| 06:34.50 | levon | but i installed the 2.6-5-18 i386 kernel\ |
| 06:35.20 | levon | wait i486 i think |
| 06:35.40 | levon | and the other was 2.6 so i thought maybe 2.6-5.18 was better |
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| 06:36.10 | levon | and im running debian i386 xfce |
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| 06:36.16 | enouf | levon: (doesn't matter) just aptitude -d linux-header-$(uname -r) madwifi-tools madwifi-doc madwifi-source |
| 06:36.18 | bucky | unixipher, kino |
| 06:36.47 | bucky | does frame by frame... but it converts it to dv first |
| 06:36.49 | enouf | levon: this is what you'll be d/ling http://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=madwifi&searchon=names&suite=stable§ion=all |
| 06:36.57 | enouf | levon: + your kernel's headers |
| 06:37.06 | levon | aww |
| 06:37.09 | SQLDb | enouf: thanks! Will do :) |
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| 06:37.19 | enouf | SQLDb: ok ;-) |
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| 06:39.19 | enouf | levon: now also aptitude -d buil-essential (i hope -d == download) |
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| 06:41.06 | enouf | levon: that should be all you need afaict, unless .. you're missing a build-dep .. but seems ok |
| 06:41.15 | levon | k |
| 06:42.01 | RealityGone | hello everyone. i seem to be having a slight issue with my debian install. i installed mysql & apache from source (as i prefer to compile directly from the source). however, i am having trouble locating the place (or commands needed), or the proper docs, to allow them to start-up with the machine. can anyone help out or point me towards the right URL maybe? |
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| 06:43.09 | RealityGone | oh... i suppose i did a binary install of mysql... but i didn't use apt |
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| 06:44.20 | enouf | most docs are in /usr/share/doc or /usr/share/appname/* |
| 06:45.09 | RealityGone | ah okay, thanks. one of my big holes of knowledge is the layout of the file structure. |
| 06:45.13 | levon | okay enouf one more hurdle need a source to get this from because i have mepis on this computer i hate it once i get everything im going to switch all computers to debian |
| 06:45.22 | enouf | sudo updatedb && locate mysql | grep html might help |
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| 06:45.45 | RealityGone | cool, i'll give that a shot too |
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| 06:45.49 | enouf | levon: huh? you need a source? |
| 06:45.58 | levon | 2.6.18-5-486 heres my header |
| 06:46.04 | levon | oh sources.list |
| 06:46.24 | enouf | levon: /msg dpkg sources.list |
| 06:46.26 | levon | just need a deb http://debian.org/something etc |
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| 06:46.46 | levon | thanks |
| 06:47.51 | enouf | levon: also; i suggest you stay with Etch/Stable as you seem to be using now .. "/msg dpkg releases" for more info about all that |
| 06:48.21 | enouf | and "/msg dpkg etch: i suppose |
| 06:48.26 | levon | yep |
| 06:48.30 | levon | :) |
| 06:48.33 | enouf | er "/msg dpkg etch" |
| 06:48.35 | enouf | ok |
| 06:49.10 | levon | etch im glad i didnt here about woody :P |
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| 06:49.40 | levon | isnt sarge okay too? |
| 06:49.55 | levon | oh you do? |
| 06:49.58 | enouf | levon: yes, but oldstable now |
| 06:50.05 | levon | aww |
| 06:50.13 | enouf | no reason not to use etch |
| 06:50.33 | levon | :) i think i will find more support for etch anyhow |
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| 06:53.56 | enouf | RealityGone: there's quite a lot to learn about debian, if you'd like to know more, "/msg dpkg reference" as a good overall reference - there's much more, but that's a good start |
| 06:54.09 | indraveni | hi all |
| 06:54.20 | indraveni | i want downlaod debian lenny iso image |
| 06:54.27 | indraveni | could some one give me a link for it |
| 06:54.33 | techrush | lenny isnt out yet |
| 06:54.38 | RealityGone | enouf, awesome. i really do want to learn as much as i can. |
| 06:55.00 | indraveni | i want the testing version itself |
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| 06:55.05 | enouf | !ig |
| 06:55.06 | dpkg | I heard "ig" is Installation Guide .. see http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/installmanual for Etch 4.0r1 (Stable as of August 15, 2007) .. or see http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/installmanual for now oldstable Sarge (3.1 ... 3.1r5). Lenny is now the new Testing! |
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| 06:55.55 | levon | enouf i had a problem getting the packages so i did apt-get -d then everything else where would that go? |
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| 06:57.55 | enouf | levon: the packages cache is irrelevant at this point, but you'd install each using dpkg -i name.deb for installing those pkgs you d/l at this point |
| 06:58.37 | levon | vik |
| 06:58.39 | enouf | s/at this/up to |
| 06:59.26 | levon | k |
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| 07:00.21 | enouf | levon: yeah, it seems -d is only shorthand for download while working with apt-get, in aptitude use the word 'download' |
| 07:00.42 | indraveni | but in those links the testing cd links are not havig any conten |
| 07:00.48 | enouf | levon: but once you're up, you shouldn't need that much anymore anyways |
| 07:00.56 | levon | i hope not : |
| 07:01.04 | levon | :) keep the cd just in case though |
| 07:01.43 | enouf | indraveni: if you're not very familiar with debian, and all it's trimmings, we are to suggest Etch to you ;-) |
| 07:01.55 | indraveni | all the links are empty here http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/weekly-builds/i386/ |
| 07:02.08 | indraveni | i am familiar with debian |
| 07:02.27 | dryrot | why does upgrading mysql in debian break everything |
| 07:02.32 | enouf | levon: sure - make sure you remember to comment out the cdrom line (in sources.list, if not done automagically) once your internet is working |
| 07:03.35 | enouf | indraveni: maybe they're uploading all new images at ths point, don't know |
| 07:04.11 | levon | ah yea i have that done |
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| 07:04.22 | stiv2k | hey is force option required to mount ntfs-3g? |
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| 07:05.59 | enouf | stiv2k: i highly doubt it |
| 07:06.06 | stiv2k | enouf: it wont let me do it without force |
| 07:06.25 | enouf | stiv2k: sorry, i don't toy with mpoop ;-) |
| 07:06.34 | stiv2k | mpoop?? |
| 07:06.48 | enouf | XPoop .. better?/ |
| 07:06.52 | stiv2k | lol |
| 07:07.16 | enouf | stiv2k: but /msg dpkg ntfs-3g |
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| 07:07.41 | enouf | see if any of that helps .. also try 'ntfsrw' and 'ntfsro' |
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| 07:08.43 | DawnLight | my box is behind a router which has UPnP enabled and i'd like to use the UPnP protocol to tell the router to forward a certain port to my box's address. is there some tool that does that or what? |
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| 07:08.56 | stiv2k | enouf: i use sid |
| 07:09.48 | stiv2k | how can i make it so users can write to the drive |
| 07:09.49 | stiv2k | not just root |
| 07:11.19 | DawnLight | stiv2k: users can write to their home |
| 07:11.30 | enouf | stiv2k: either the ntfsrw factoid or ntfs-3g.org |
| 07:11.46 | DawnLight | stiv2k: oh, sorry |
| 07:11.49 | enouf | stiv2k: other than that, ask others, i have no idea |
| 07:12.03 | stiv2k | enouf: ntfsrw says the same thing as ntfs-3g |
| 07:12.31 | cTATUK | There's a compressed file I can decompress using http://www.delphipages.com/skunkworks/files/zlibtool.zip (Delphi/Project1.exe) but I can't decompress using miniunzip from the package 'zlib-bin'... any idea how I can decompress using GNU tools? |
| 07:12.48 | enouf | i guess that leaves you with atleast 2 more options then eh? |
| 07:12.48 | cTATUK | zlib compression |
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| 07:13.16 | RYsh | is it possible to pass ntp-server address to client using dhcp? |
| 07:13.32 | stiv2k | got it to work |
| 07:13.42 | stiv2k | thanks |
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| 07:14.45 | enouf | cTATUK: try ncompress pkg maybe |
| 07:16.22 | streuner_ | * DCC RECV icouldnotcarelessaboutthefilewhdusahdfusdhfuisdhfushdfushdfusdhfuisdhfuisdhfusdhfsudfhsdufhsdufhsduifhsduhf.pqp von HouseMD abgebrochen |
| 07:16.33 | streuner_ | ^^^ Is that problem solved? |
| 07:16.55 | enouf | streuner_: yes, i got many of those earlier, i think he's been kicked/banned |
| 07:17.08 | streuner_ | enouf: ah, thanks. |
| 07:17.37 | enouf | streuner_: as a matter of fact, i know he was, just not suyre if it's freenode-wide, but i suspect so, since atleast a few channels ahve complained |
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| 07:19.43 | streuner_ | enouf: last time somebody flooded us, we had serveral staffer and OPS around... |
| 07:20.13 | streuner_ | (within a few seconds) ;-) |
| 07:21.23 | unixipher | bucky, thanks |
| 07:21.27 | enouf | streuner_: i got tagged in another channel , but ever since a few weeks ago, i've had to disable my join/part message notifications due to the seemingly out of mowhere netsplit floods |
| 07:21.36 | bucky | np |
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| 07:26.41 | hari123 | plz help me to upload the videos on ipod |
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| 07:27.47 | hari123 | hi 2 all plz help me |
| 07:27.57 | Penix | hari123: ask a proper question |
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| 07:28.32 | piecesandbits | Is there a repository for freenx |
| 07:28.34 | streuner_ | ... |
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| 07:28.41 | streuner_ | its not in Debian... |
| 07:28.44 | sw3etprincess | hi all, ive a problem.. |
| 07:28.45 | streuner_ | !freenx |
| 07:28.45 | dpkg | i guess freenx is a Free implementation of the nomachine.com caching system for X, RDP and VNC, based on their GPLd libraries. packages for sarge: "deb http://www.linux.lk/~anuradha/nx/ ./" packages for etch/sid: "deb ftp://ftp.ekhis.org/ekhis/ experimental main" |
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| 07:28.55 | sw3etprincess | my debian dist cant find updatedb or locate |
| 07:28.56 | streuner_ | sw3etprincess: we all have problems... ;-) |
| 07:29.05 | streuner_ | install locate then |
| 07:29.10 | sw3etprincess | and it doesnt exists in /usr/bin or /bin |
| 07:29.28 | sw3etprincess | why isnt default installed? |
| 07:29.43 | streuner_ | !find updatedb |
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| 07:29.53 | streuner_ | hm, strange, i dont have it either :-) |
| 07:30.00 | streuner_ | you must run unstable then :-) |
| 07:30.11 | sw3etprincess | yea, but the testing install dvd |
| 07:30.59 | streuner_ | findutils: usr/bin/updatedb |
| 07:31.08 | sw3etprincess | i have it now, thnx |
| 07:31.28 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'updatedb' (5 of 6): (/usr/bin/updatedb) in utils/slocate ;; (/usr/sbin/nss_updatedb) in net/nss-updatedb ;; (/usr/bin/updatedb.findutils) in utils/locate ;; (/usr/share/diogenes/scripts/updatedb.php) in web/diogenes ;; (/etc/updatedb.conf, /usr/bin/updatedb.mlocate) in utils/mlocate. |
| 07:31.46 | sw3etprincess | because my wine is running on webdings i think |
| 07:35.11 | sw3etprincess | ah cool its working again on normal fonts |
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| 07:44.37 | hjubal | hi, since I've upgraded to lenny amd64+raidsw I'm experiencing system hangs during boot (Starting system clock) or shutdown sequence (Saving system clock) |
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| 07:45.55 | hjubal | and on next boot raid has to resync drives :( |
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| 07:49.14 | RealityGone | if nothing seems to work i would like to uninstall this version of mysql & use aptitude to install it... however i tried 'make uninstall' and it doesn't work. there doesn't seem to be any docs on uninstalling mysql. the mysql mamual has the procedure for uninstalling RPMs, but not non-RPMs. does anyone know the correct procedure/command? |
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| 07:59.03 | DawnLight | my box is behind a router which has UPnP enabled and i'd like to use the UPnP protocol to tell the router to forward a certain port to my box's address. is there some tool that does that or what? |
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| 08:02.34 | raggi | if I move a harddrive from one host to another and the eth devices move from eth0 + eth1 to eth2 + eth3, what can i do to have them setup correctly, it seems that the routing table isn't starting up properly from the configuration in /etc/network/interfaces |
| 08:02.55 | unixipher | bucky, kino does not open swf files, any idea? |
| 08:03.51 | unixipher | hi, is there any application that controls swf files " playing, forwarding, and rewind" ? |
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| 08:05.48 | nok5 | what is the difference of "suggests" and "recommends" in deb description |
| 08:06.03 | aspWork | hi guys, yesterday i updated the kernel on my lenny box to the new abi, and now my nvidia drivers fail (as expected), when i try to reinstall them it fails to find the interface but then fails to compile the needed interface, the logs show nothing of value, what am i missing? |
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| 08:09.59 | stew | nok5: recommends is "stronger" than suggests. if normally when you have package A installed one would also expect to have package B installed (but its possible to use A without B) it A would list B in "Recommends:". If A might commonly be used without B, but might offer some additional functionality when B is available it might Suggest: B instead |
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| 08:15.22 | nok5 | i c , thank you |
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| 08:18.00 | hjubal | what if I disabled clock saving.. why are there 2 scripts 'hwclockfirst.sh' and 'hwclock.sh'? |
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| 08:21.34 | simonrvn | don't mess with those |
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| 08:28.50 | abuyazan | hello |
| 08:28.54 | lhadji | hey |
| 08:29.41 | abuyazan | i want to reload rndc server remotely using sudo, but i give me this error "rndc: error: none:0: open: /etc/namedb/rndc.key: permission denied" |
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| 08:30.12 | simonrvn | exactly what it says |
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| 08:30.47 | aspWork | anybody? |
| 08:31.01 | abuyazan | i added in sudoers file this (username ALL= NOPASSWD: /usr/bin/tee,/usr/sbin/rndc) |
| 08:31.09 | drc | manybody |
| 08:31.27 | abuyazan | the tee command is working fine but rndc not, any idea please |
| 08:31.40 | lhadji | you have to be root |
| 08:32.18 | abuyazan | so i cannot do it with sudo ? lhadji |
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| 08:32.27 | simonrvn | abuyazan: it's having issues with *reading* the file |
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| 08:32.45 | simonrvn | you're tackling the problem from the wrong end |
| 08:32.48 | streuner_ | sw3etprincess: /usr/share/doc/findutils/changelog.Debian.gz |
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| 08:33.40 | abuyazan | simonrvn, so i have to check the read permissions on the key file |
| 08:33.43 | simonrvn | translates to: either your sudoers needs fixing, or the file has odd perms |
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| 08:35.12 | simonrvn | good luck, i'm going to sleep |
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| 08:35.34 | streuner_ | night simonrvn |
| 08:36.03 | abuyazan | simonrvn, thanks, it working now |
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| 08:41.32 | zrin | hi is there a way to redirect specific facility.priority messages so that they do _not_ appear in /var/log/syslog? |
| 08:42.05 | zrin | my syslog if full of in.qpopper ... login by user ... |
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| 08:43.02 | techbie | hello all, recommend any torrent client |
| 08:43.10 | zrin | azureus |
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| 08:44.02 | techbie | thanks zrin |
| 08:44.08 | zrin | np |
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| 08:45.41 | ronr | a week ago I gave kubuntu a spin, they had packages so that I could give kde4 (be it a very old version) a spin (select between kde3 and kde4 in kdm), does debian also have such packages (or just the live cd?) |
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| 08:46.46 | dimir | Moin! |
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| 08:47.24 | mesut | hi,trying to install etch r01 on ibm server, it stucks at "Storing Languate (%75)" each time |
| 08:47.28 | techbie | !tell rornr live |
| 08:47.32 | mesut | no lockups |
| 08:48.08 | techbie | !tell ronr about live |
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| 08:48.34 | suppaman | hi |
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| 08:49.51 | ronr | techbie: I already knew about the live cd (didn't the last part of my question gave that away?), the question is if I can also run kde3 and 4 beside each other |
| 08:51.03 | techbie | ronr, i missed that point |
| 08:51.04 | hjubal | I still get "Setting the system clock." 2 times and then boot hangs :( |
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| 08:55.14 | TheFearow | Does anyone know debians performance for high-bandwidth-intensive server processes? |
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| 08:55.27 | TheFearow | I'm considering using it for a high-use webserver thatll be serving up lots of videos |
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| 08:56.50 | dondelelcaro | TheFearow: it should have no problem maxing out your upstream bandwidth, unless your server is puny |
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| 09:00.25 | dondelelcaro | (or you're running myrinet or something else weird) |
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| 09:04.10 | dga | i'm looking to install debian onto my dell inspiron 1501 notebook. how should i go about this? i've never installed debian on a laptop before so i don't know what extra packages i'll need. should i use the standard release or a net install or what? |
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| 09:06.49 | JohnAlson | hi everybody |
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| 09:11.05 | zrin | hi is there a way to redirect specific facility.priority messages so that they do _not_ appear in /var/log/syslog? |
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| 09:15.38 | dondelelcaro | zrin: use syslog-ng |
| 09:15.59 | dondelelcaro | zrin: normal syslog is kind of limited with what it can do |
| 09:16.23 | zrin | dondelelcaro: I assume -ng is a "drop-in" replacement? |
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| 09:17.45 | raggi | how can i stop udev from autoloading modules? |
| 09:17.57 | raggi | particular modules taht is |
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| 09:18.11 | streuner_ | raggi: /msg dpkg blacklist |
| 09:18.30 | raggi | streuner_: legend, muchos gracias |
| 09:19.02 | raggi | does that stop if from being loaded at all |
| 09:19.08 | raggi | i.e. if i do a modprobe will it still work? |
| 09:19.31 | streuner_ | modprobe will work |
| 09:19.35 | streuner_ | anyway |
| 09:19.36 | raggi | great |
| 09:19.47 | raggi | damned hardware drivers don't work right with udev |
| 09:21.06 | TheFearow | dondelelcaro: It's a $10K server, so I think the server itself wont be a big bottleneck. It'll have its own dedicated fiber connection. So the only thing I see as a bottleneck is possibly the OS (and of course the HDDs, but it will mostly be reading off a dedicated broadcast video server) |
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| 09:30.44 | raggi | now fi only i could sort out this ethernet config problem on boot |
| 09:31.33 | _Romik_ | hi, I have problem with keytouch on my laptop (HP nc6400) and debian lenny: yesterday I added 3 keys for volume (Increase, Decrease,Mute) And all work fine, while I reboot my laptop. but now all time volume decrising |
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| 09:32.43 | raggi | i seriously need some help, I've read most of section 10 of the manual now, and I can't figure this out |
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| 09:33.09 | raggi | we moved a HDD from one box, to identical hardware, and the ethernet cards moved from et0+eth1 to eth2+eth3 |
| 09:33.23 | raggi | now, the default gw on eth3 refuses to load on boot |
| 09:33.25 | E-bola | Can somebody explain to me how ps auxf can show mysqld as using 18% cpu and htop shows it as using 0? |
| 09:33.27 | _Romik_ | raggi, what the problem? |
| 09:33.32 | raggi | we moved a HDD from one box, to identical hardware, and the ethernet cards moved from et0+eth1 to eth2+eth3 |
| 09:33.36 | E-bola | does ps auxf show some sort of historic data? |
| 09:33.36 | raggi | now, the default gw on eth3 refuses to load on boot |
| 09:33.45 | E-bola | because the value of the (idle) mysql keeps falling |
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| 09:34.07 | raggi | _Romik_: so /etc/networkds/interfaces has the right stuff from what i can see, and what the manual says |
| 09:34.25 | raggi | but it seems to only add eth2's gw, not eth3s, whcih has the default gw to the internet |
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| 09:34.46 | raggi | i have tried up route add ..., moving stuff around, changing the order etc, with no success |
| 09:35.00 | raggi | /etc/network/run/ifstate only shows eth2=eth2 |
| 09:35.05 | raggi | which is odd, as eth3 is up |
| 09:35.34 | _Romik_ | add eth3 to interfaces manualy and then move HDD to enother box |
| 09:35.37 | _Romik_ | ? |
| 09:36.18 | raggi | the HDD is in the new, and final box it should be in |
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| 09:36.35 | raggi | and eth2 and eth3 are configured in /etc/network/interfaces |
| 09:36.44 | _Romik_ | raggi, I'm install debian at one machine and move hdd to enother, bootup, edit /etc/network/interfaces and all work fine |
| 09:36.46 | raggi | they both seem to configure on boot, with static ips |
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| 09:37.05 | raggi | _Romik_: it's not working fine here |
| 09:37.12 | raggi | it's refusing to setup the default route |
| 09:37.29 | _Romik_ | do you want setup by network? |
| 09:37.49 | raggi | i don't know what you mean |
| 09:37.54 | _Romik_ | sorry |
| 09:38.01 | _Romik_ | my english is bad |
| 09:38.11 | raggi | 1 sec, i'll post config and stuff in a paste |
| 09:38.42 | _Romik_ | raggi, what you see when run: ifconfig -a ? |
| 09:38.57 | raggi | correct configs |
| 09:39.17 | _Romik_ | and: rount -n ? |
| 09:39.22 | raggi | 203.1.0.221 + 192.168.1.221 - eth2 + eth3 respectively |
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| 09:39.54 | raggi | route -n on boot shows both -net for 192.168.1.0 and 203.1.0.0 |
| 09:40.05 | raggi | but not default gw 192.168.1.1 |
| 09:41.43 | _Romik_ | so, in /etc/network/interfaces have you gateway for ethX ? |
| 09:42.19 | mesut | hi,after installing etch,apt-get update installs exact same version of current kernel,why ? |
| 09:42.25 | raggi | http://rafb.net/p/yKTF9j95.html |
| 09:42.33 | raggi | ooooh |
| 09:42.34 | raggi | lol! |
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| 09:43.42 | raggi | _Romik_: thanks anyway, 192.169, lol, two people looked at that. |
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| 09:45.43 | _Romik_ | :-) |
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| 09:45.55 | hari123 | how to upload the video files in ipod |
| 09:46.02 | _Romik_ | so, any adieas about keytuchd? |
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| 09:46.31 | moshii | hari123: I think thats a linux + question google... |
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| 09:47.32 | Jemt | Greetz. Can someone tell me how to slow down when capturing the screen using "xvidcap" ? |
| 09:47.33 | hari123 | moshii, i searched so many times but im not getting proper page |
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| 10:00.41 | maio | hi, can i somehow tell apt that some already installed package provides oracle-instatntclient-basic? |
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| 10:06.38 | riz_ | Hello. Is there a way for doen't CPU threads in top ? |
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| 10:06.56 | riz_ | s/doen't/doesn't |
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| 10:07.07 | Stalwart | where can i get package list of debian-40r1-i386-CD-1.iso ? |
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| 10:07.51 | jcamp | hi |
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| 10:08.08 | riz_ | Stalwart http://debian.osuosl.org/debian-cdimage/current/i386/iso-cd/ |
| 10:08.35 | Stalwart | riz_, which file here has package list? |
| 10:08.55 | stew | Stalwart: the jigdo files are a gzipped index of packages |
| 10:09.40 | capiira | anyone know something about those compiz fusion packages in the SID repository? |
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| 10:10.02 | Stalwart | stew, thanks |
| 10:10.09 | capiira | i wonder if they actually work, they look kinda incomplete |
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| 10:11.22 | capiira | no compiz-manager and no fusion-icon etc. |
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| 10:18.36 | buscon | Hi, I need a command line sip client - any ideas ? |
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| 10:22.32 | internat85 | are there any decent network sniffing utilities that are gui based, that can do something like etherreal, but go the step further and put the packets together and what not? ie theres a program for the mac called eavesdrop which if there are image packets it will put them together and so on |
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| 10:24.20 | petemc | internat85: driftnet will do that for images on linux |
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| 10:24.36 | internat85 | excelent.. |
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| 10:24.51 | internat85 | does it do connection tracking etc? so groups all packets that are for the same thing together? |
| 10:25.01 | petemc | it captures images |
| 10:25.07 | internat85 | only images? |
| 10:25.10 | petemc | yes |
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| 10:27.34 | force | hi, what is the apt-get command to reinstall configuration files etc for a service? i can never remember it |
| 10:28.03 | petemc | !confmiss |
| 10:28.04 | dpkg | the reason you have to use dpkg --force-confmiss is because whenever your config files (<conffiles>) are gone, dpkg assumes you deleted them on purpose, and that you want them to stay deleted. You can also reinstall them using the following apt-get line: apt-get -o DPkg::Options::="--force-confmiss" --reinstall install <packagename> |
| 10:28.11 | force | thanks |
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| 10:35.52 | indraveni | in my system, when i am trying to open the file browser, its showing an error message like, nautilus crashed |
| 10:36.05 | force | i seem to be missing /usr/lib/apache2/modules/libphp4.so even after using confmiss |
| 10:36.15 | force | any ideas on how to reinstall this file? |
| 10:36.30 | indraveni | force, install libapache2-mod-php4 |
| 10:37.41 | force | thank you |
| 10:39.01 | bliss_ | hi i three vps remote and want to set up smtp for each outgoing admin account on my local machine with icedove need some help |
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| 10:42.18 | bliss_ | liable: hi any ideas |
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| 10:45.15 | streuner | !ask |
| 10:45.15 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org |
| 10:45.31 | DawnLight | my box is behind a router which has UPnP enabled and i'd like to use the UPnP protocol to tell the router to forward a certain port to my box's address. is there some tool that does that or what? |
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| 10:45.49 | bliss_ | streuner:i did |
| 10:46.15 | streuner | bliss_: yes, but dont pick a certain one to ask |
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| 10:47.08 | bliss_ | streuner:ok i just chat to him sometimes but yes your correct |
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| 10:48.55 | streuner | DawnLight: i have no idea about UPnP at all, but apt-cache search upnp look promising |
| 10:50.36 | DawnLight | streuner: seems like there's nothing in debian that does that specifically but is there some kind of custom packet injection thing? |
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| 10:51.56 | Penix | I love Tualatins and 120mm fans |
| 10:52.06 | buscon | Hi, how can I control a gnome application from the command line ? |
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| 10:53.04 | Penix | buscon: man <gnome app> should give you a clue about what you can do |
| 10:53.24 | Penix | buscon: or do you mean window manager control or something? |
| 10:53.53 | buscon | Penix, yeah I know, but I'd like to control ekiga, that doesn't have a cli interface |
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| 10:54.06 | streuner | DawnLight: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Universal_Plug_and_Play |
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| 10:54.17 | buscon | so maybe, I could control it through gnome interface... |
| 10:54.18 | DawnLight | streuner: read that |
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| 10:54.38 | Penix | buscon: like the gnome interface it exists as? |
| 10:54.39 | nucco | hello, if I make a the root of a debian cd accessible via http, does that make it an apt repository? |
| 10:54.55 | buscon | Penix, yez |
| 10:55.01 | Penix | nucco: if done properly |
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| 10:55.22 | nucco | Penix: I just made a symbolic link to /media/cdrom0 |
| 10:55.28 | nucco | in /var/www |
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| 10:55.52 | Penix | nucco: yeah. should work. as long as there's a /var/www/pub/debian/... etc. and all that |
| 10:56.02 | Penix | that way you just specify a mirror manually |
| 10:56.32 | nucco | Penix: 'pub'?? |
| 10:56.41 | Penix | well, I guess you don't need to lay it out that way |
| 10:56.53 | Penix | nucco: just tell d-i which dir on the mirror to use |
| 10:56.54 | nucco | ok |
| 10:56.59 | enouf | DawnLight: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Avahi_%28software%29 |
| 10:58.29 | anapivirtua | Hello world. |
| 10:58.55 | nucco | Penix: using a web browser, I do: http://localhost/cdrom0 and I get the root of the cdrom ok |
| 10:59.02 | DawnLight | enouf: avahi can do upnp stuff? |
| 10:59.10 | nucco | Penix: on di, I specify hostname as my LAN ip, then dir as 'cdrom0' ? |
| 11:00.19 | enouf | DawnLight: it seems very closely related, look up and follow links for Zeroconf, Bonjour, and find avahi-daemon on your system, i know i killed mine |
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| 11:01.04 | DawnLight | ah |
| 11:01.05 | enouf | upnp seems like a really nasty idea pushed by mpoop |
| 11:01.25 | streuner | !listvals upnp |
| 11:01.27 | dpkg | Factoid search of 'upnp' by value (1): upnp. |
| 11:01.33 | enouf | hah |
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| 11:01.56 | DawnLight | what's good i use, what's nasty i exploit |
| 11:01.57 | streuner | not very much a subject here |
| 11:02.08 | streuner | !upnp |
| 11:02.08 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, upnp is http://www.gupnp.org/ |
| 11:02.22 | enouf | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zero-configuration |
| 11:02.53 | enouf | streuner: she's been through days of trying to backport that or somesuch |
| 11:02.54 | besit | I wanted to ask about CDs in another respect. When load an mp3 cd I've made with windows it doesn't read the disk. I've read arounda bit and one reason appears to be the use of Joliet file names for longer strings in filenames. Can you recommend some reference to installing these.I would also like to know if there are any other compatibility issues here? |
| 11:03.13 | DawnLight | he, actually |
| 11:03.20 | enouf | for some odd reason, i will never comprehend |
| 11:03.39 | enouf | oh, apologies, dawn is a females name to me |
| 11:03.59 | besit | So I can make universal mp3 CDs in the future |
| 11:04.10 | DawnLight | enouf: i ended up setting a chrooted sid and finding out that gupnp doesn't really do anything |
| 11:04.21 | enouf | nice |
| 11:04.35 | DawnLight | the nick is the english translation to my hebrew name, שחר ×ור |
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| 11:05.26 | rati_ | Whats command in etch which is base-config in sarge? |
| 11:05.27 | besit | does that font work for everyone DawnLight |
| 11:05.46 | DawnLight | besit: it should in debian |
| 11:06.09 | besit | Ah right |
| 11:06.10 | DawnLight | besit: i don't determine the font your irc client uses |
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| 11:06.30 | besit | I'm actualy using someone esle's comp now so I'm using Chatzilla |
| 11:06.43 | DawnLight | and does it work, the hebrew? |
| 11:07.03 | besit | No it was just a font question |
| 11:07.28 | besit | I have a thing about fonts now they're causing me all sorts of trouble at the minute :) |
| 11:07.31 | DawnLight | it is a question of whether the client uses a utf8 encoding and a font that has the hebrew typeface |
| 11:07.52 | harpal | How to set hotname and domain name in etch? |
| 11:08.10 | besit | DawnLight: it does now i just changed it |
| 11:08.25 | besit | Maybe I ought not to do that as it's not my comp :( |
| 11:08.29 | DawnLight | מזל טוב |
| 11:08.38 | alexandroos | hello, how do I put various informations such as my kernel version, the memory usage... onto my desktop ? i've seen a couple of screenshot with that, do i need screenlets? |
| 11:08.39 | besit | Yeah that looks good now |
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| 11:08.43 | liable | harpal: /msg dpkg hostname |
| 11:08.59 | DawnLight | alexandroos: gkrellm |
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| 11:09.38 | harpal | liable, I have done hotsname example.com but when system restart than that domain name is changed |
| 11:09.42 | alexandroos | DawnLight, thanks |
| 11:10.01 | liable | harpal: read that factoid and the man page |
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| 11:10.22 | nucco | hey, I got the mirror to read, but now it says unable to download installer component... |
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| 11:10.32 | nucco | no further information, just that |
| 11:10.36 | DawnLight | x server doesn't auto-repeat the key pressed... suddenly |
| 11:10.38 | harpal | ok |
| 11:10.44 | besit | So apart from Joliet fonts are there any other issues i need to bear in mind to make mp3 CDs that work on all systems - well all the common ones anyway? |
| 11:10.47 | riz_ | Does someone have a particoular error of I/O Buffer using dmraid ? |
| 11:11.50 | besit | I suppose this is an mp3 question really but the mp3 guys don't sem to know about fonts on other systems and the like :( |
| 11:11.51 | Kamping_Kaiser | evening #debian :) |
| 11:12.00 | riz_ | I get a similar error: Buffer I/O error on device sda3, logical block 669380224 |
| 11:12.13 | nucco | Kamping_Kaiser: mornin here ;) |
| 11:12.17 | biz | is there a way to see the parameters a module was loaded with? |
| 11:12.28 | Kamping_Kaiser | nucco, half your luck :) |
| 11:12.39 | liable | biz: modinfo should say iirc |
| 11:12.45 | besit | Maybe i ought to go to that Debian Multimedia site I saw typed here a few days ago |
| 11:13.03 | nucco | www.debian-multimedia.org ? |
| 11:13.05 | biz | liable: i thought that, too. but it can only see available, not the actual |
| 11:13.59 | besit | Ah I see i can add it as arepository too |
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| 11:15.32 | besit | Thanks nucco |
| 11:16.16 | besit | A lot of this stuff was installed as standard when I tried Ubuntu but it seems you have to look for what you want with Debian. How inconsiderate :) |
| 11:16.54 | besit | Mind you Debian runs a lot faster on my old box and that's more important |
| 11:17.23 | Aciid | Is that so |
| 11:18.13 | besit | Yeah I don't really understand it but Debian boots up and runs a lot faster than Ubuntu - I bet this is obvious to all of you, but it's a puzzle to me |
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| 11:19.25 | besit | The boot time is especially better, really noticeable |
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| 11:21.54 | nucco | besit: which version fo debian |
| 11:22.01 | besit | Etch |
| 11:22.10 | besit | And i tried Feisty for Ubuntu |
| 11:22.17 | besit | Maybe Gutsy is faster |
| 11:22.19 | nucco | besit: etch is more comparable with ubuntu edgy |
| 11:22.31 | besit | So it's smaller |
| 11:22.38 | besit | My box is far too old |
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| 11:23.03 | besit | One day soon nothing will run on it at all :( |
| 11:23.18 | nucco | something will always run on it... |
| 11:23.22 | nucco | old stable :) |
| 11:23.31 | Kamping_Kaiser | lol |
| 11:23.33 | besit | I hope so it was my first computer |
| 11:23.36 | Kamping_Kaiser | besit, whats the box? |
| 11:24.02 | besit | It's a bit mixed now but it is 400 processor and 128 ram |
| 11:24.16 | Kamping_Kaiser | sif you were trying ubuntu on there *grin* |
| 11:24.32 | besit | I thought I'd give it ashot :) |
| 11:24.43 | besit | I had to use the alternate install CD |
| 11:24.50 | besit | The standard would go on :( |
| 11:25.09 | besit | But Debian Etch is actually fine |
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| 11:25.24 | nucco | besit: stick with etch then :) |
| 11:25.24 | besit | I stripped it down to Xfce and it's not to bad at all now |
| 11:25.44 | nucco | for some reason, I'm too attached to gnome. |
| 11:26.01 | besit | I do like gnome |
| 11:26.02 | nucco | I try xfce, and I can't find nautilus-cdburner and I promptly logout. |
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| 11:26.27 | besit | But I'm going to buy myself one of those Dell Ubuntu boxes for Xmas |
| 11:26.36 | PythonNinja | **shudder** |
| 11:26.49 | besit | But XCDRasot is just as good nucco |
| 11:27.00 | besit | Sorry XCD Roast |
| 11:27.14 | nucco | I'd rather not worry about sector sizes :) |
| 11:27.19 | Kamping_Kaiser | cd burning *grin*. how retro are you :D |
| 11:27.47 | PythonNinja | k3b > all for burning round stuff :) |
| 11:27.57 | nucco | brasero rocks |
| 11:28.00 | ke_ | Uhm, where do I find my logs? |
| 11:28.01 | besit | Kamping_Kaiser yet but be serious I'm not going to burn any DVDs here |
| 11:28.02 | nucco | too |
| 11:28.10 | besit | No matter what sodtware i have LOL |
| 11:28.31 | besit | I'm looking at Wodim |
| 11:28.47 | Kamping_Kaiser | besit, usb/firewire media >cdrom anyday |
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| 11:29.17 | besit | It only has USB1 |
| 11:29.18 | nucco | Kamping_Kaiser: try burning an iso to a usb disk! |
| 11:29.24 | besit | We are talking real antique here |
| 11:29.33 | Kamping_Kaiser | nucco, dd hasnt failed me yet ;) |
| 11:29.51 | Kamping_Kaiser | besit, i know. most of my computers are before that era *grin* |
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| 11:30.02 | nucco | Kamping_Kaiser: what ever happened to right-click and burn... |
| 11:30.08 | Kamping_Kaiser | not my 'production' admitedly |
| 11:30.22 | Kamping_Kaiser | nucco, i havent done that for a while (no burners in my computers atm ) |
| 11:30.24 | Kamping_Kaiser | :) |
| 11:30.44 | besit | I do have a USB2 card somwhere and now i've started to use the old box again I might replace it |
| 11:30.57 | nucco | Kamping_Kaiser: come to think of it, it shouldn't be too hard to make nautilus-cdburner list the usb drives as a target for burning ISOs |
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| 11:31.10 | besit | I had to put a fast ethernet card in - the one in it only did 10MG |
| 11:31.24 | Kamping_Kaiser | nucco, i dont know enough about gnomelib/nautilus to offer a thought :\ |
| 11:31.31 | garo | Is etch, lenny or sid affected by this : select tlshp.shp_id,shp_name,date_format(begin,'%e/%m/%Y'),date_format(einde,'%e/%m/%Y') from tlshp left join shpper using (shp_id) where (orl_id is null or orl_id= 963 ) |
| 11:31.34 | Kamping_Kaiser | besit, bad old days :) |
| 11:31.39 | garo | sorry, wrong paste |
| 11:31.41 | nucco | Kamping_Kaiser: I'm thinkin of requestin a feature :) |
| 11:31.59 | garo | Is etch, lenny or sid affected by this : http://www.linuxlove.org/2007/10/31/hdd-wearing-and-tearing-down/ |
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| 11:32.10 | Kamping_Kaiser | nucco, that could be pretty cool :) i'd be using it |
| 11:32.33 | Kamping_Kaiser | garo, any laptop is affected by power mangement |
| 11:32.43 | besit | Kamping_Kaiser I have to admit it looks crazy taking the time to put all these old componets together and making the effort to get it working again |
| 11:32.45 | fluxdude | I am seeing lots of the failed lookups in fast succession in my logs and want a way of find out which client ip is requesting those records from my Bind DNS servers. Any ideas how I can do this? |
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| 11:32.50 | fluxdude | using Bind DNS |
| 11:33.26 | garo | But does debian send hdparm -B 1 to my hard drive ? |
| 11:33.41 | Kamping_Kaiser | besit, i have systems as old as 8080's that i hope to have a play with one day. i know the feeling :) (my work with itshare also helped that intrest) |
| 11:33.53 | petemc | fluxdude: rndc querylog toggles verbose logging |
| 11:35.00 | besit | The oldest system I have is a Commodore 16 - but that was passed down to me |
| 11:35.15 | besit | Not quite the family silver but i like the idea of owning it |
| 11:35.44 | besit | That's in the loft though |
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| 11:36.00 | Kamping_Kaiser | i have a few not-intel systems, not sure what most are - i have a TI99A (texas instruments) , an amstrad, and a comodore |
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| 11:36.33 | nucco | Kamping_Kaiser: http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=500404 |
| 11:37.41 | Enverex | What did the Acorn Electron use? |
| 11:38.02 | moshii | Enverex: that's a pre-arm acorn isnt it? |
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| 11:38.24 | SlayerXP | the electron was 6502 based |
| 11:38.29 | Kamping_Kaiser | nucco, cool :) not sure it would add anything for me to say 'me too; |
| 11:38.31 | PythonNinja | hmmmm... now planning to compile a new kernel, based on the debian patched .22, in order to fix a few issues.. am an idiot? |
| 11:38.57 | Enverex | Hrm, is .23 Kernel going to be in Debian or are they waiting for .24? |
| 11:39.19 | nucco | Kamping_Kaiser: true. just showing you... you might wanna add yourself to the cc... |
| 11:39.31 | fluxdude | petemc: thanks will try that |
| 11:39.41 | Kamping_Kaiser | nucco, good idea *heh*. i think that proves its bedtime |
| 11:40.01 | moshii | Enverex: there are .23 packages on the build server thingy.. linked on the wiki |
| 11:40.20 | renatoroot | fluxdude hello my brother! |
| 11:41.06 | Enverex | moshii, They aren't in Sid or Testing though which means there's probably some reason why |
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| 11:42.38 | Kamping_Kaiser | gnight all! |
| 11:42.48 | PythonNinja | night dude |
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| 11:43.07 | renatoroot | PythonNinja hello! |
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| 11:43.15 | ghatak | Hi, what does ii, rc etc mean in dpkg -l |
| 11:43.16 | PythonNinja | hi renatoroot |
| 11:43.36 | renatoroot | PythonNinja what your name? |
| 11:43.42 | nucco | Kamping_Kaiser: night |
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| 11:44.14 | PythonNinja | renatoroot: what? |
| 11:45.35 | moshii | Enverex: I think it's maybe because some patches haven't been ported.. like vserver, and its probably best to wait for .24 because of the amount of releases of .23 there have been |
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| 11:45.52 | JohnAlson | hi all |
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| 11:46.34 | JohnAlson | how can I change the group a user belongs? |
| 11:47.01 | renatoroot | JohnAlson hiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii |
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| 11:47.21 | Enverex | moshii, Aah, I've heard of some nice new things in .23 which is why I asked. Is ext4 ever going to be released? lol |
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| 11:47.26 | Haris | Hello guys |
| 11:47.50 | Haris | I'm getting this error on etch with php4. I can't make sense of it. Need insight -> http://pastebin.ca/801557 |
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| 11:48.00 | moshii | Enverex:biggest change in .23 would be the scheduler iirc |
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| 11:48.25 | JohnAlson | renatoroot: :D |
| 11:48.45 | moshii | Enverex: I'm waiting on .23+ with vserver to fix the keyboard issue with my japanese macbook |
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| 11:48.52 | renatoroot | JohnDoh sucks! |
| 11:49.12 | renatoroot | JohnAlson hello |
| 11:49.20 | Enverex | moshii, I used ext4 like a year ago and it seemed fine which makes me wonder why it's not in as standard now and is still labeled as dev... |
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| 11:49.44 | dv_ | Enverex, because people are VERY conservative regarding filesystems |
| 11:49.47 | dv_ | which is a good thing |
| 11:50.09 | dv_ | you cannot tolerate any errors in FS |
| 11:50.19 | SlayerXP | hence no-one with any sense uses reiserfs |
| 11:50.35 | dv_ | I always wondered why gentoo recommends reiser |
| 11:50.49 | dv_ | SlackDeb, 3 or 4? |
| 11:50.59 | SlackDeb | 3 |
| 11:51.29 | moshii | dv_: cuz its tha cool |
| 11:51.40 | dv_ | I thought zfs is tha cool |
| 11:51.59 | Enverex | Also never had any issues with Reiser3, been using on my server for 5 years now too, still managed to salvage most of the data off the drive when it was physically dying too |
| 11:52.19 | dv_ | well ext3 is the easiest to recover data from |
| 11:52.24 | moshii | personally, if it supports long filenames, isn't dog slow, and doesn't loose my files.. anything is fine |
| 11:52.45 | dv_ | which makes it quite useful for desktops |
| 11:53.17 | [1]rati | I have configured mail server with courier but when I try to connect that mailserver than it doesnt authenticating? |
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| 11:54.18 | Enverex | I bring up ext4 because the HD really does seem to be the main bottleneck these days and I can't really afford to buy 4 drives for RAID5 or 0+1 |
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| 11:55.25 | liable | is ext4 supposed to be that much quicker? |
| 11:55.28 | petemc | Enverex: and you think the filesystem is a large part of that bottleneck? |
| 11:55.35 | moshii | Enverex: does ext4 have much gain there? |
| 11:56.04 | Enverex | moshii, ext4 with its new feature (can't remember the name) gave some significant boosts over ext3 |
| 11:56.11 | Enverex | petemc, Every little helps, heh |
| 11:56.13 | dv_ | use case being? |
| 11:56.32 | moshii | Enverex: read performance is probably pretty close to the maximum on the interface in ext3.. |
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| 11:57.28 | moshii | Enverex: The reason a raid setup will be faster is that you have shed load more "interface".. |
| 11:57.31 | eth01 | what's available to protect my debian box against DDoS (mainly attacks), etc? |
| 11:58.02 | SlayerXP | eth01: locate the network cable and pull it hard. |
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| 11:58.22 | moshii | eth01: That, or try not to piss people off so they don't have a reason to do it.. |
| 11:59.01 | Haris | what the heck is wrong with php4? |
| 11:59.07 | Haris | Review: http://pastebin.ca/801557 |
| 11:59.12 | fireba11 | Haris : it's incredibly outdated |
| 11:59.26 | Haris | I tried commenting with ; # // none work |
| 11:59.31 | Haris | I still get the error on reload |
| 11:59.36 | SlayerXP | Haris: ummm, it's used by people who think php is a sensible language to write web apps in |
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| 12:00.05 | [RUsh] | is there ucspi-tcp (http://cr.yp.to/ucspi-tcp.html) package in debian? |
| 12:00.05 | Haris | Did I miss the part at the end where it said 'in this paste' ? |
| 12:00.22 | SlayerXP | ? :) |
| 12:00.29 | moshii | SlayerXP: I wouldn't say people use it because it's sensible.. more like it's good for copy and paste coding |
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| 12:00.39 | renatoroot | error $home/.dmrc? |
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| 12:00.46 | renatoroot | error $home/.dmrc? problem? |
| 12:00.49 | fireba11 | Haris : ; should work |
| 12:00.50 | Maulkin | Haris: lots. No proper OO support for one |
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| 12:01.19 | Haris | Maulkin: Well, do you expect a baby to grow up in 2 days? |
| 12:01.23 | moshii | [RUsh]: packages.debian.org |
| 12:01.31 | renatoroot | error $home/.dmrc! HELP-ME! |
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| 12:01.53 | fasta | All the images I see in e.g. Firefox are way too dark. Is there some global control for changing the brightness of images across X? |
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| 12:02.16 | renatoroot | error $home/.dmrc! HELP-MEeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee! |
| 12:02.27 | fasta | !ops |
| 12:02.27 | dpkg | methinks ops is Please invoke 'dpkg: ops $problem' to call the ops to deal with a specific problem. Misuse of this will lead to a ban. |
| 12:02.37 | renatoroot | dpkg ............? |
| 12:02.38 | liable | why ops? |
| 12:02.53 | fasta | liable: because he sent me a private message and is spamming. |
| 12:02.54 | eth01 | ...... |
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| 12:03.01 | renatoroot | eth01 ?????????? |
| 12:03.03 | renatoroot | error $home/.dmrc! HELP-MEeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee! |
| 12:03.04 | moshii | fasta: You need to configure what's rendering those images.. |
| 12:03.07 | eth01 | i can't help stop users attack my network heh |
| 12:03.13 | liable | renatoroot: stop the excessive punctuation, people who can help will, be patient and ask in another hour |
| 12:03.16 | Maulkin | Haris: you asked especially about php4. |
| 12:03.28 | renatoroot | liable help-me mt brother! please! |
| 12:03.28 | Maulkin | fasta: can I help? |
| 12:03.32 | SlayerXP | renatoroot: SILENCE. |
| 12:03.40 | renatoroot | liable error $home/.dmrc!! |
| 12:03.43 | renatoroot | whoo? |
| 12:03.55 | moshii | eth01: and you don't have ddos protection at your isp? |
| 12:03.58 | Maulkin | renatoroot: quiet for 2 seconds. |
| 12:03.58 | fasta | Maulkin: you mean with the spammer? |
| 12:04.00 | liable | renatoroot: i have no idea what your problem is. just stop the annoying messages please and try in a while |
| 12:04.03 | Maulkin | fasta: yup |
| 12:04.11 | fasta | Maulkin: well, kicking would help. |
| 12:04.30 | Haris | no matter what I do |
| 12:04.31 | Maulkin | renatoroot: right, now. Explain your problem verbosely. "/msg dpkg ask" for an example |
| 12:04.34 | Haris | this error does NOT go away |
| 12:04.44 | Haris | Need to know what needs tweaking |
| 12:04.46 | Haris | ./fixing |
| 12:04.48 | Maulkin | fasta: user? |
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| 12:04.55 | fasta | error <newline> help-me <newline> my brother, that's what he sent me. |
| 12:04.56 | eth01 | i was asking about the box itself. |
| 12:05.00 | fasta | Maulkin: renatoroot |
| 12:05.03 | liable | renatoroot: you might have more luck if you actually describe a problem rather than just a two word sentence followed by 'help me' |
| 12:05.06 | moshii | Haris: its a php problem right? ask in #php maybe? |
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| 12:05.14 | Maulkin | renatoroot: also, please don't message people. |
| 12:06.01 | fasta | moshii: what *is* rendering those images? For video, I can use xvideo to change brightness in the video card. |
| 12:06.02 | Maulkin | Haris: php uses /* */, //, and # syntax for comments. What's the error, and where's your code snippet? |
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| 12:06.37 | eth01 | moshii: protection for the box itself. |
| 12:06.57 | moshii | fasta: It's going to be some image toolkit.. you could change the gamma for the whole display though |
| 12:07.12 | fasta | moshii: I don't want to change it for the whole display. |
| 12:07.20 | Maulkin | eth01: there's various bits you can do, but none of those will stop a DDoS. You need to talk to your upstream ISP for that |
| 12:07.23 | Haris | moshii: Its a debian box |
| 12:07.33 | Haris | PHP Version 4.4.4-8+etch4 |
| 12:07.36 | fasta | moshii: e.g. this image: http://radian.org/~krstic/uruguay.jpg |
| 12:07.45 | moshii | eth01: if the traffic is exceeding the bandwidth of the interface there's nothing you can do |
| 12:07.46 | Haris | moshii: ..and I did ask there before comming here |
| 12:07.52 | eth01 | maulikin: various bits, like?? |
| 12:08.01 | moshii | eth01: you have to stop it upstream |
| 12:08.06 | fasta | moshii: I barely can see 2 people on that clearly. |
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| 12:08.43 | moshii | Haris: but the problem is coding in php not the php packages shippedby debian right? |
| 12:08.44 | fasta | moshii: it's pointless to answer if you don't know what exactly I should change, since I can also apply common sense. |
| 12:09.00 | Haris | moshii: The problem is with php.ini |
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| 12:09.03 | Maulkin | eth01: Disable response to broadcasts, Don't accept source routed packets, Disable ICMP redirect acceptance, Enable bad error message protection etc |
| 12:09.09 | eth01 | moshii: .... security for the box...... |
| 12:09.11 | Haris | moshii: ..not with php code |
| 12:09.28 | moshii | fasta: I was actually suggesting that the problem isn't X but some library |
| 12:09.30 | eth01 | maulkin: where would i be able to modify those? |
| 12:09.39 | fasta | moshii: yes, I completely understood what you said. |
| 12:09.44 | Maulkin | eth01: however, you need to talk to your ISP. none of thise will help if your connection is overloaded |
| 12:09.58 | Maulkin | eth01: check google. You need to be careful about what you enable |
| 12:10.15 | eth01 | precautionary measures. |
| 12:10.22 | Haris | However, this hasn't happened to me on my local etch box |
| 12:10.27 | moshii | eth01: you can't do much locally! |
| 12:10.57 | Maulkin | Haris: what's your issue? |
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| 12:11.05 | moshii | eth01: you can secure the machine against attacks, you can't really do much to stop traffic that's already there. |
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| 12:12.10 | eth01 | moshii: thats what i want to do, secure the machine against attacks. |
| 12:12.14 | Knight_Lord | Do you know of any program to detect filesystem corruption? |
| 12:12.22 | Maulkin | Knight_Lord: fsck |
| 12:12.30 | moshii | eth01: So you don't really mean ddos? |
| 12:12.43 | Knight_Lord | Maulkin I have xfs and i can't run xfs_check (run out of memory) |
| 12:12.55 | eth01 | moshii: not really. |
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| 12:13.10 | Knight_Lord | I was thinking about something along the lines of writing files with some pattern and reading them again |
| 12:13.13 | XoX | how come mail username , dosent send write mail to /var/mail/username |
| 12:13.24 | XoX | does it use exim to send the mail |
| 12:13.46 | moshii | eth01: You can prepare the machine to stop it falling over when hit with a ddos, you can't protect against a ddos locally |
| 12:14.05 | Maulkin | Knight_Lord: That'd be a destructive test... do you want the data on the disk? |
| 12:14.20 | eth01 | moshii: ok.. like? |
| 12:14.28 | Knight_Lord | Maulkin I'm taking about fs level write, not device level write |
| 12:15.08 | Maulkin | Knight_Lord: well, xfs_check is the tool. I'm geussing you have a large disk, and not much memory |
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| 12:15.30 | Knight_Lord | 2GB of memory |
| 12:15.46 | Knight_Lord | 6TB disk |
| 12:16.03 | Maulkin | Ouch, yes |
| 12:16.22 | Maulkin | Knight_Lord: you could try adding a large swapfile. It'll run slower, but it should actually work. |
| 12:16.30 | moshii | eth01: Do a normal security audit, remove stuff you don't need, make only stuff you want is listening on external interfaces etc etc |
| 12:16.48 | Maulkin | Knight_Lord: check with top and see how much memory it wants |
| 12:17.42 | Haris | I think I needed a apache2 restart rather than apache2 reload |
| 12:17.47 | Haris | now its not giving me that error |
| 12:18.08 | Knight_Lord | Maulkin how? |
| 12:18.17 | Knight_Lord | Maulkin after the swap if on? |
| 12:18.29 | Nyle | <PROTECTED> |
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| 12:18.37 | Nyle | wow I'm up so early |
| 12:18.42 | Maulkin | Knight_Lord: man swapon and mkswap :) |
| 12:19.07 | Nyle | Maulkin: sounds like the karate kid.. "swap on" "swap off" |
| 12:19.08 | Nyle | hehe |
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| 12:19.49 | Nyle | lol |
| 12:20.05 | moshii | Nyle: The joke is, she's Japanese.. and she was like WTF is that |
| 12:20.18 | Nyle | and karate is chinese? |
| 12:20.21 | Nyle | not japanese? |
| 12:20.36 | moshii | Nyle: kara te, empty hand |
| 12:20.43 | neotic | Nyle: karate is japanese |
| 12:20.51 | Nyle | hmm |
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| 12:21.07 | neotic | empty hand, the way and the hand |
| 12:21.11 | Nyle | so where are ninjas from? |
| 12:21.11 | neotic | Nyle: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karate |
| 12:21.16 | neotic | "ninjas" |
| 12:21.26 | neotic | Nyle: japan |
| 12:21.57 | Nyle | so does anyone know a debian using ninja? |
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| 12:22.26 | Nyle | Maulkin: hows that for a bit of fried gold ;) |
| 12:22.30 | Nyle | i shush. |
| 12:22.33 | Maulkin | Good |
| 12:22.48 | DJ-Marcuzz | does anyone know an good solution to make diskimages to an network location, and one that works on linux, best with boot cd to recover. best i see now is some acronis stuff :-/ |
| 12:22.57 | moshii | Nyle: no, but I7ll start ninjitsu right away |
| 12:23.13 | moshii | DJ-Marcuzz: dd |
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| 12:23.35 | Nyle | !info xorg-driver-fglrx sid |
| 12:23.47 | Nyle | or was it xorg video |
| 12:23.48 | Nyle | damit |
| 12:23.55 | moshii | DJ-Marcuzz: and for the ninja spin.. backup ninja is very nicce for doing backups |
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| 12:24.42 | DJ-Marcuzz | moshii, backup ninja? |
| 12:24.45 | Nyle | I used to have this game called 'The Last Ninja' on my Commadore 64 |
| 12:25.05 | Nyle | the first RPG game I ever played |
| 12:25.13 | Nyle | RPG/adventure, amazing, I was like 7 |
| 12:25.21 | moshii | DJ-Marcuzz: It'll create rsync over ssh backup jobs for you etc with no pain |
| 12:25.43 | Nyle | hey can you find C64 games these days? is there an emulator for comm64? |
| 12:25.54 | moshii | Nyle: frodo |
| 12:25.58 | Nyle | i would very much like to play that game |
| 12:26.04 | Nyle | moshii: come again |
| 12:26.05 | DJ-Marcuzz | moshii, but when the disk failes, how hard is it to recover from just a boot cd? |
| 12:26.10 | moshii | Nyle: and even better, I think it7s in debian |
| 12:26.16 | moshii | Nyle: C64 emu |
| 12:26.20 | Nyle | oh frodo is sw |
| 12:26.23 | Nyle | oh nice man |
| 12:26.42 | moshii | *kid |
| 12:26.57 | Nyle | hm |
| 12:27.04 | Nyle | speccy? |
| 12:27.08 | Nyle | what does that mean? |
| 12:27.18 | Nyle | short for special |
| 12:27.19 | Nyle | ? |
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| 12:27.38 | moshii | DJ-Marcuzz: you want something like norton ghost really? I don't think thats a decent solution for unix systems to be honest |
| 12:27.43 | moshii | Nyle: spectrum |
| 12:28.32 | DJ-Marcuzz | moshii, why not, then you have compleet disk images that can be placed back in seconds |
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| 12:29.12 | moshii | DJ-Marcuzz: or have a seeded debian install, that'll take about the same time and is less prone to error |
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| 12:30.16 | DJ-Marcuzz | moshii, not alle the serevr have the same contents |
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| 12:31.10 | moshii | DJ-Marcuzz: you can take a disk image with dd and most livecds will allow you to right that back to disk |
| 12:31.22 | moshii | DJ-Marcuzz: *write |
| 12:31.40 | DJ-Marcuzz | hehe |
| 12:33.47 | moshii | DJ-Marcuzz: backup ninja can configure backups of etc and what packages are installed etc, which is a bit more flexible than a lump of disk |
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| 12:34.29 | DJ-Marcuzz | moshii, but its hard to restiore that then.. |
| 12:35.23 | moshii | DJ-Marcuzz: Not really.. to be honest if you have a decent RAID setup you would never need to do that sort of restore |
| 12:35.58 | Nyle | moshii: are you japanese? |
| 12:36.01 | DJ-Marcuzz | moshii, its not only a disk failure that kills servers, it is my own stupidety to :$ |
| 12:36.12 | moshii | Nyle: No, in Japan at the moment however |
| 12:36.18 | Nyle | I went to one japanese resturant last night |
| 12:36.31 | Nyle | they forgot to give me my saki so i was kinda pissed after i got home |
| 12:37.06 | Nyle | they always mess up to-go orders |
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| 12:37.13 | moshii | Nyle: nihonshu is the shizzle |
| 12:37.24 | Nyle | indeed |
| 12:37.44 | Nyle | i like wussabi |
| 12:38.00 | Nyle | but it pales in comparison to our foods (the hotness) |
| 12:38.03 | Nyle | w/e |
| 12:38.08 | Ronin | Nyle: you didnt want to do the movie quote about takehot? heh |
| 12:38.14 | Ronin | take out even |
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| 12:38.36 | moshii | Nyle: Korean food is mental spicey |
| 12:38.57 | Nyle | moshii: you ever had amazingly hot indian food |
| 12:39.14 | Knight_Lord | Maulkin even with 4GB of memory it complains of out of memory |
| 12:39.25 | Knight_Lord | Maulkin so there's no way i can do xfs_check |
| 12:39.33 | Nyle | my sister made some Nihari few weeks ago, it was so hot I was literally crying in tears while eating it, but it was sooo good |
| 12:39.34 | Knight_Lord | Maulkin as the machine is only 32bit |
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| 12:39.57 | Nyle | Knight_Lord: whoah what software is causing that? |
| 12:40.08 | moshii | Nyle: haha I used to work with some Idian guys, they knew curry. :) |
| 12:40.13 | Nyle | Knight_Lord: 4gb ram and out of it? hmm |
| 12:40.21 | Maulkin | Knight_Lord: possibly, with a FS that large |
| 12:40.22 | Nyle | curry is mostly south indian |
| 12:40.30 | Nyle | I'm north indian |
| 12:40.37 | Nyle | I don't dig the curry |
| 12:40.45 | moshii | Nyle: Ah, these guys were all from hydrobad |
| 12:41.30 | Maulkin | Nyle: topic. Stay on it. |
| 12:41.42 | Nyle | moshii: topic. Stay on it. |
| 12:42.02 | moshii | Maulkin: um, so the debian community have to unfriendly arses basically? |
| 12:42.24 | Maulkin | moshii: try #debian-offtopic |
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| 12:42.45 | Nyle | !ot |
| 12:42.45 | dpkg | [ot] Please keep the discussions in #debian on-topic (i.e., Debian support), or return to the topic after a short while. #debian-offtopic is the place for longer off-topic discussions between regulars |
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| 12:44.07 | Nyle | moshii: nothing really going on in here, but hes bitching about offtopic so fuck it |
| 12:44.24 | Nyle | get don't go offtopic, people have a nasty habit of bebing 5 year olds with that shit |
| 12:44.30 | Nyle | 'i'm tellin' |
| 12:44.36 | Maulkin | Nyle: you should know better. |
| 12:44.48 | Nyle | Maulkin: am I addressing you? |
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| 12:44.53 | moshii | Maulkin: Ok, let's make this Debian related.. |
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| 12:45.02 | *** kick/#debian [Nyle!n=maulkin@debian/developer/neilm] by Maulkin (Maulkin) |
| 12:45.08 | DeFrysk | :/ |
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| 12:45.24 | moshii | Maulkin: why is it an issue to be slightly socialable on the Debian channel? It might be productive |
| 12:45.24 | Nyle | that was a personal kick, I was already done with ot in he re wasn't O |
| 12:45.28 | Nyle | I |
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| 12:45.56 | DeFrysk | :x |
| 12:46.08 | Maulkin | Nyle: you've been here long enough and been warned enough times. |
| 12:48.34 | moshii | Maulkin: still failing to see the issue.. if the channel was busy, maybe |
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| 12:49.05 | SlayerXP | moshii: "not talking" would be the smartest strategy to take right now, I suspect. |
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| 12:50.03 | moshii | SlayerXP: I'm just wonder when the so-called "community" become so bitter.. sigh |
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| 12:50.25 | SlayerXP | i've always been bitter. ask Maulkin :) |
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| 12:53.38 | freks | czesc |
| 12:54.08 | xand | what? |
| 12:54.38 | freks | jak moge zablokowac kompilator jednemu uzytkownikowi ? |
| 12:54.44 | DeFrysk | polish |
| 12:54.51 | freks | yes ;] |
| 12:54.58 | DeFrysk | try english |
| 12:55.00 | DeFrysk | ;) |
| 12:55.08 | freks | no speak english |
| 12:55.19 | zamuro | !pl |
| 12:55.20 | dpkg | i guess pl is perl, "packet loss", or polska -> #debian.pl (on irc.freenode.net) |
| 12:55.29 | freks | irc debianuser = polish ? |
| 12:55.37 | freks | ok |
| 12:55.40 | freks | exit :) |
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| 12:57.11 | Nyle | you are the man |
| 12:57.36 | Nyle | now what FS is so huge that it is using 4gb ram? |
| 12:57.45 | Nyle | Knight_Lord: ^^ |
| 12:57.55 | fireba11 | what's the "normal" way to set permanent iptables rules in debian ? |
| 12:58.55 | moshii | fireba11: not sure the 150% correct, not get told off way, but you could always script it into /etc/rc.local |
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| 13:00.55 | freks | Translators hard translatorem because there little people :) |
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| 13:02.20 | freks | As I can block compiler one userowi |
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| 13:03.37 | freks | ? |
| 13:05.17 | Soeki | anyone here had this showing up in your consoles? svc: bad direction 268435456, dropping request |
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| 13:06.12 | freks | hello :P ? |
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| 13:07.22 | Soeki | hi, almost everyone is sleeping i supose |
| 13:07.28 | Soeki | ;) |
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| 13:09.17 | freks | soeki As I can block compiler one userowi ? |
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| 13:10.14 | Maulkin | Soeki: google for "kernel: svc: bad direction", there's a ton of hits |
| 13:10.36 | freks | maulki ;] |
| 13:10.55 | Maulkin | freks: I don't understand what you're asking. Could you phrase it differently? |
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| 13:12.23 | Maulkin | freks: the translator your using isn't helping. --> #debian.pl, or debian-user-polish@lists.debian.org |
| 13:12.52 | freks | As I can block compiler e.g. ( ) one user gcc |
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| 13:13.19 | freks | There it sits too not enough (little) osob and nobody answers |
| 13:14.20 | The_Mechant | fireba11 you can use either a script or iptables-save |
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| 13:15.22 | XoX | why do sata HDs appear as scsi devices in linux |
| 13:15.24 | XoX | /proc/scsi/scsi |
| 13:15.56 | Maulkin | XoX: sata = serial connection |
| 13:16.10 | XoX | and> |
| 13:16.12 | XoX | ? |
| 13:16.26 | Maulkin | XoX: and so is scsi... |
| 13:16.40 | XoX | there is parrallel scsi |
| 13:16.41 | Maulkin | XoX: is there an issue with it using that bus? |
| 13:16.41 | moshii | XoX: because they sit on the scsi subsystem |
| 13:17.04 | fireba11 | The_Mechant : so no debian wy (tm) to do that ? |
| 13:17.06 | Ronin | fireba11: http://iptables-tutorial.frozentux.net/iptables-tutorial.html is a really good tutorial oniptables |
| 13:17.09 | Maulkin | XoX: It shouldn't be a problem... |
| 13:17.24 | Ronin | fireba11: iptables-save is the debian way iirc |
| 13:17.32 | moshii | XoX: usb mass-storage is the same, the scsi subsystem is more suitable for implementing support for them, so that's where they want |
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| 13:17.41 | moshii | XoX: s/want/went |
| 13:17.44 | fireba11 | Ronin : thanks |
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| 13:24.56 | sep | are there any serialport terminals in debian beside minicom ? |
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| 13:25.44 | moshii | sep: there are qt and gtk based ones.. cutecom or something along those lines comes to mind |
| 13:26.11 | nucco | sep: I remember finding a few by searching google with 'hyperterminal for linux' or so |
| 13:26.17 | moshii | sep: but I can't think of a curses style one apart from minicom |
| 13:26.33 | sep | i'd live with a X11 one |
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| 13:27.27 | moshii | sep: cutecom |
| 13:27.38 | sep | testing it now |
| 13:29.17 | RvGaTe | is it possible to setup a server farm with debian... something like, having 5 machines, each with virtualisation software on it, and controlling all the virtual machines using 1 application... (something like vmware esx server + virtual center, only then open source / free) ? |
| 13:30.04 | neogojira | woot |
| 13:31.36 | sep | moshii, cutecom doesnt have a real emualtor, it's line based |
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| 13:32.59 | sep | but atleast it takes my input, minicom shows me the output of the device but i can't write |
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| 13:35.02 | Nyle | RvGaTe: hey |
| 13:35.38 | moshii | sep: ahh, yeah that's right |
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| 13:35.59 | moshii | RvGaTe: I don't see why not |
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| 13:37.10 | moshii | sep: If you cant write.. maybe you don't have all the signals connected |
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| 13:37.22 | sep | moshii, but it works in cutecom |
| 13:37.35 | sep | and in terraterm (windows) |
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| 13:38.12 | moshii | sep: they might be ignoring the DTR ( I think, been a looong time) signal that is used to tell one side that the other is ready for incoming data |
| 13:38.40 | moshii | sep: if you have a 3 pin serial cable.. rx, tx, gnd.. you won't have those signals |
| 13:38.50 | moshii | pin.. wire, sorry |
| 13:39.02 | sep | so how to make mincom ignore them ? |
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| 13:40.49 | srbug | hi developers, I have one problem with my modem hsf and exist one command to ignore the load module in bootup ????? I try module.blacklist=yes but don't work. |
| 13:41.05 | sep | moshii, thanks, i found it it's called hardwarehandshake in minicom |
| 13:41.06 | moshii | sep: um, could be called hardware flow control.. or maybe handshakes |
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| 13:41.40 | moshii | sep: sounds right. I was trying to remember it, been about 2 years since I touched a serial port |
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| 13:48.42 | RvGaTe | moshii, ok... but do you know any solutions ? |
| 13:48.48 | RvGaTe | Nyle, hi |
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| 13:49.48 | Trewas | not exactly on topic, but interestingly I found a very simple program where even amd sempron 2800+ (not to speak of newer amd processors) seems to be faster than all new intel processors |
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| 13:50.26 | Trewas | if someone wants to test it's in http://pastebin.ca/801642 (just compile with -O2 or whatever and run with "time") |
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| 13:53.16 | bloodniece | is there a gconf setting to make desktop icons align to the right side of the screen? |
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| 13:53.53 | levander | I've loaded the xfs kernel module, and I'm going to create a xfs formatted partition in gparted. But, gparted doesn't give me an xfs option in the filesystem choices. Anyone know how to get gparted to recognize xfs as an option? |
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| 13:54.38 | bloodniece | let me see if mine gives that option. |
| 13:54.52 | levander | bloodniece: it's in there, but it's greyed out |
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| 13:56.38 | bloodniece | is there a gconf setting to make desktop icons align to the right side of the screen? |
| 13:56.42 | ErkiDerLoony | Hi! If I try to hibernate my system via powersave -U, the screen gets black and the last line I see is "Suspending consoles". But instead of going off, my screen shows KDE again after a few seconds. |
| 13:56.57 | ErkiDerLoony | There are no errors reported in /var/log/suspend2disk.log |
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| 13:57.25 | bloodniece | levander: mine's greyed out too |
| 13:57.27 | ErkiDerLoony | I use debian testing and have an ati card with fglrx. |
| 13:57.32 | ErkiDerLoony | If that helps ... |
| 13:57.36 | levander | ErkiDerLoony: Lots of people have problem with ACPI in Linux. |
| 13:58.15 | bloodniece | ErikDerLoony: mine did that before i changed some acpi settings |
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| 13:58.36 | levander | ErkiDerLoony: I get a message saying something like "BIOS fails cutoff age, can't use ACPI" on one older machine. If you have that you can do like a "acpi force" kernel option. But, I have problems with ACPI on even newer machines. |
| 13:58.50 | levander | ErkiDerLoony: ACPI is a bitch. |
| 13:58.59 | levander | bloodniece: Do you use XFS? |
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| 13:59.16 | levander | bloodniece: Like, do you have a currently mounted partition formatted in XFS? |
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| 13:59.28 | bloodniece | levander: on one drive, but i formatted it using gparted live |
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| 14:00.22 | levander | bloodniece: What's gparted live? |
| 14:00.48 | bloodniece | levander: gparted on a livecd , bootable and very handy |
| 14:01.18 | levander | You'd think gparted would just detect what fs's are available, but maybe it's configurable? |
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| 14:01.53 | bloodniece | i would suggest using gparted live: --> http://gparted-livecd.tuxfamily.org/ |
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| 14:03.21 | levander | bloodniece: I just noticed, there's a GParted -> Show Features menu item. The dialog that pops up, it shows XFS as available, but no other features are checked... |
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| 14:04.16 | bloodniece | levander: im opening my gaprted now |
| 14:04.39 | bloodniece | does yours take forever to find all partitions? |
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| 14:05.16 | levander | bloodniece: On this machine I'm using my IRC client on yes. It seems to never stop scanning. |
| 14:05.35 | levander | bloodniece: But, I'm switching back and forth to a MythTV box I just installed gparted on. It comes right up. |
| 14:05.46 | levander | The MythTV box is where I want the XFS partition. |
| 14:08.03 | levander | bloodniece: I found this via Google: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=599584&highlight=gparted+scanning |
| 14:08.21 | levander | It may have something to do with SATA drives, but then he comes back and says it's due to floppy drives. |
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| 14:09.22 | bloodniece | sorry, im on the phone, brb |
| 14:09.31 | rhalff_ | hi is it possible to retrieve all dns records for a domain with something like 'dig' ? |
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| 14:09.56 | rhalff_ | I need to transfer the records to a new domain, but am not sure if I cover all subdomains. |
| 14:10.21 | levander | rhalff_: I think they're called "zone transfers". It's a security concern when you setup DNS to make sure only the right people can do those. IIRC. |
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| 14:11.05 | gfhd | I've installed java 1.6 from sun on an Etch box, but can't seem to be able to force the path to point to it. Any ideas? I did remove 1.5 |
| 14:11.22 | bloodniece | levander; you need xfsprogs, is that installed? |
| 14:11.31 | rhalff_ | levander, ok I don't have access to their old dns servers, ah well. |
| 14:11.45 | levander | gfhd: What makes you think you're not "pointing" at the new Java? |
| 14:12.09 | levander | bloodniece: Yeah, I installed xfsprogs, but not xfsdump. Lemme just go install xfsdump rather than fight it. |
| 14:12.49 | gfhd | levander, which java gives no output - running java gives "-bash: java: command not found" |
| 14:12.50 | bloodniece | levander: xfs in not greyed out anymore after installed xfsprogs and dump |
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| 14:13.27 | ErkiDerLoony | Sorry, my Internet crashed. |
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| 14:14.01 | ErkiDerLoony | The problem remains that my susped2disk directly resumes the system after shutting down the consoles. Any ideas? |
| 14:15.16 | bloodniece | levander; good luck, gotta go. |
| 14:15.40 | levander | bloodniece: I 'apt-get install xfsdump' and it turned out I hadn't installed xfsprogs. Jumping around so much, I must have forgotten to install it. The partition is formatting now. |
| 14:15.43 | levander | blorp: thanks |
| 14:15.49 | levander | damn, he took off |
| 14:16.13 | levander | gfhd: I don't have java installed right now... |
| 14:16.27 | levander | gfhd: But, I'm really surprised java wasn't installed in your PATH. |
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| 14:16.47 | gfhd | it wasn't from apt though |
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| 14:17.04 | gfhd | I'll try it again |
| 14:17.05 | levander | gfhd: Okay, that makes more sense. |
| 14:17.42 | levander | gfhd: You just gotta find where you're package installed java and either put that directory in your PATH, or do what I do and put a link in your PATH to java. |
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| 14:18.01 | gfhd | I know where it is, just can't seem to foce the path |
| 14:18.12 | gfhd | I used export JAVA_HOME=dir but that didn't work |
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| 14:18.35 | fengor | JAVA_HOME doesnt get searched for executables in the shell |
| 14:18.45 | sander_ | Anyone know how I can play this kinda webtv in linux?: http://atvs.vg.no/?id=12953 |
| 14:18.50 | fengor | the shell only looks in the directories defined by PATH |
| 14:19.11 | gfhd | so I'd have to add the Java dir to my path? |
| 14:19.26 | fengor | i'd say yes |
| 14:19.33 | gfhd | how do I go about doing that? |
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| 14:21.47 | fengor | PATH="$PATH:/new/path/to/add"; export PATH |
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| 14:23.07 | gfhd | so I just type the first part into the shell, hit enter, then type in export PATH? |
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| 14:23.23 | SlayerXP | or just export PATH="$PATH:/foo" |
| 14:23.28 | SlayerXP | which is much less typing |
| 14:23.37 | gfhd | ok, it's working now :-) |
| 14:23.42 | gfhd | thanks all |
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| 14:27.50 | levander | How do I mount a partition so that it's owned by a regular user, and not when I'm using /etc/fstab, just on the command line. I tried "mount -o user=levander /dev/sdb1 /mnt" but I got an error saying invalid command line option. |
| 14:28.47 | cast | what filesystem is it? |
| 14:28.50 | levander | xfs |
| 14:29.02 | Eclipser | levander, you can just chown (no -R) the directory you mount it on after it's mounted :o |
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| 14:29.11 | cast | theres no user option for xfs |
| 14:29.12 | Eclipser | or at least with ext3 I think |
| 14:29.47 | levander | okay, this is something i end up doing a lot lately, was hoping for quicker option than chown, but if that's the best way... |
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| 14:29.52 | levander | thanks Eclipser and cast |
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| 14:33.38 | DexterF | !packages |
| 14:33.38 | dpkg | [packages] a file you can parse with grep-dctrl, or apt-get install auto-apt, auto-apt update, auto-apt search <the_file_you_want> |
| 14:33.44 | DexterF | !source |
| 14:33.45 | dpkg | To work with Debian source packages, cd to a location with free space. as root: 'aptitude install build-essential fakeroot devscripts' and 'apt-get build-dep {packagename}'. as any user: 'apt-get source {packagename}', cd into the directory it creates, edit 'debian/rules' to suit, run 'debuild -us -uc'. |
| 14:33.51 | DexterF | !backport |
| 14:33.51 | dpkg | i guess backport is a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and ABI complications. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-package.en.html#s-port or http://backports.org/ or http://www.apt-get.org/ or ask me about <simple sid backport> and <backport caveat>, or <backports.org> |
| 14:33.58 | DexterF | :/ |
| 14:34.07 | DexterF | !simple sid backport |
| 14:34.08 | dpkg | First: See if the package has already been backported. Ask me about <backports>. If it hasn't, 1) Add a deb-src line for sid to your sources.list. 2) apt-get update 3) apt-get build-dep packagename;apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resultant debs. |
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| 14:36.05 | XoX | run-parts is a debian tool? |
| 14:37.22 | biz | DexterF: you can /msg dpkg, too :-) |
| 14:37.33 | DexterF | :} |
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| 14:40.19 | biz | is there a way to force an usb hub to use ohci-hcd instead of ehci-hcd? it is an usb 2.0 hub, however i need to run the hub itself at usb 1.1. unloading ehci completely does not work since i'm using some other usb 2.0 devices on another bus |
| 14:41.17 | stew | XoX: it was originally written for debian, but it is used on many distros |
| 14:41.21 | DexterF | hmm... I guess it should rather be possible to force the device to drop to 1.1. don't ask me how, tho. |
| 14:41.26 | DexterF | what do you need that for? |
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| 14:43.01 | XoX | stew, by exim? |
| 14:43.11 | abrotman | by who? |
| 14:43.20 | stew | XoX: what do you mean? |
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| 14:43.46 | XoX | exim uses the file? |
| 14:43.53 | stew | XoX: i don't know |
| 14:45.17 | biz | DexterF: ehci-hcd does not support _full_ speed iso transactions through an TT, however low and high speed is supported. well, i need exactly full speed with that device. using ohci only (which supports full speed iso transactions since full and low speed is usb 1.1) it works fine. but the hub itself identifies itself and actually is an 2.0 hub. so ehci grabs the hub and uses ohci for slower devices on the hub, but ehci for the hub itself. i need ohci to control the |
| 14:45.24 | biz | <PROTECTED> |
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| 14:47.07 | DexterF | what was the speed order again - low->full->high? |
| 14:47.23 | vjt | DexterF, i think you're not the one :P |
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| 14:47.40 | vjt | DexterF, usb device speed naming left me confused, too :) |
| 14:47.59 | biz | yes |
| 14:48.00 | DexterF | vjt: thanks to the PR bunch... Bill Hicks was so right |
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| 14:48.45 | biz | there is low, full (both 1.1) and high (2.0). however, there are 4 types of usb data: |
| 14:48.45 | vjt | DexterF, yeah, every new technology must have a "cool" name or "high" specifier so people will buy it |
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| 14:49.20 | vjt | this leaves us with stale "high" names for old stuff :P |
| 14:50.01 | biz | control, bulk, interrupt and isochronous, that define some stuff like error handling, bandwidth allocation and so on. for use with different types of devices |
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| 14:50.37 | laserl | hi |
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| 14:50.56 | laserl | anyone was able to install etch on soekris flash card? |
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| 14:51.10 | biz | actually i need isochronous (bandwidth is guaranteed / reserved) on one device after the hub at full speed. Dockmentation/usb/ehci.txt writes its not supported, yet :/ |
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| 14:54.01 | biz | well... its Documentation ;) |
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| 14:54.49 | abrotman | yay .. samba fixed! |
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| 14:56.34 | nucco | is it normal for d-I to spend a lot of time at 5% when installing? (the select and install software part) |
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| 14:57.16 | petemc | nucco: did you get the latester version of d-i |
| 14:57.29 | petemc | thats a known issue, which i thought was resolved |
| 14:57.45 | progress0r | i have wrestled with this ati card on debian sid. For the life of me i cannot get this thing to do direct rendering. I started over from scratch by reinstalling the ati proprietary driver, set to single display using aticonfig and actually unplugged the second monitor. However, even after making sure i didnt have extra libGL.so files I still cannot get it to go direct. |
| 14:57.45 | nucco | petemc: the download finished about 30 minutes ago |
| 14:57.56 | petemc | nucco: from a debian mirror? |
| 14:58.23 | nucco | petemc: probably the main server. I just headed out the net-inst image for the i386 arch |
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| 14:58.58 | ttl- | greetings |
| 14:59.03 | nucco | petemc: any chance of it moving on, or do I have to kill it? |
| 14:59.04 | petemc | nucco: iirc, the issue is with keys for the mirror, alt - f4 should tell you for sure |
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| 14:59.39 | nucco | petemc: I set up a local apt mirror using a dvd I downloaded last month |
| 15:00.11 | petemc | nucco: did you check the terminal that shows the logs? |
| 15:00.32 | nucco | petemc: yes, it says something about enter "Yes"... |
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| 15:01.06 | nucco | petemc: a lot of messages: nov 29: 15:46:34 in-target: do you.... |
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| 15:01.27 | ttl- | i'm running debian lenny, yesterday i decided to install mfc440cncupswrapper which i downloaded from the brother site to be able to print on my brother, dpkg complained about not finding a directory |
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| 15:01.55 | ttl- | know i'm unable to remove the package even with dpkg --force-all |
| 15:02.03 | ttl- | *now |
| 15:02.22 | xoz_ | ttl-: what is exact error |
| 15:02.40 | ttl- | i can't aptitude upgrade |
| 15:02.42 | nucco | petemc: I just typed 'yes' I just want the install to continue. |
| 15:02.46 | ttl- | xoz: one sec |
| 15:03.33 | abrotman | ttl-: was it like "C:\MSBob\ - Directory not found!" ? |
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| 15:04.50 | nucco | its still stuck at 5% |
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| 15:05.10 | ttl- | xoz: while installing: http://pastebin.ca/801712 |
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| 15:07.43 | ttl- | xoz: with aptitude dist-upgrade: http://pastebin.ca/801715 |
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| 15:08.06 | xoz_ | ttl-: sec, my browser can't see anything |
| 15:09.50 | ttl- | xoz: dpkg --force-all --remove mfc440cncupswrapper or dpkg --force-all --purge mfc440cncupswrapper will not remove it |
| 15:10.26 | stew | ttl-: you'll have to fix the prerm and or postinst scripts located in /var/lib/dpkg/info |
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| 15:11.37 | whombat | could you please tell me how to do something like this with the shell?... i mean, that the site is connected 15 times |
| 15:11.40 | whombat | http://tinyurl.com/28q85k |
| 15:12.27 | DustyBin | stew: would this setup work using vserver: http://paste.linux-noob.com/index.php?query=2409 |
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| 15:13.07 | waKKu | good afternoom folks.. |
| 15:13.13 | stew | DustyBin: i don't know anything about vserver |
| 15:13.20 | DustyBin | ok |
| 15:13.43 | waKKu | i need some help with loading hostraid modules before installation... whats format debian recognize it ? |
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| 15:14.20 | nucco | petemc: do I have to restart the install? please |
| 15:14.26 | waKKu | I bought a Adaptec HostRAID 1220SA and this only have native modules to suse and redhat... I want to install it on debian ;/ |
| 15:15.26 | xoz_ | DustyBin: install util-vserver, vserver-debiantools. you need to configure it in /etc/vserver/ |
| 15:15.34 | abrotman | waKKu: i think that module is in debian ? |
| 15:15.38 | abrotman | erm .. in the kernel |
| 15:15.39 | xoz_ | DustyBin: and a kernel with vserver |
| 15:15.48 | ttl- | stew: i created the file with touch and 0666 perm because dpkg was complaining not finding it |
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| 15:16.17 | ttl- | stew: i can paste output with /usr/local/Brother/Printer/mfc440cn/cupswrapper/cupswrappermfc440cn removed if you like |
| 15:16.34 | waKKu | abrotman isnt ... only on kenrel 2.6.21 ;/ |
| 15:16.53 | waKKu | i'm using debian etch with kernel 2.6.18-3 |
| 15:16.55 | waKKu | ops.. -4 |
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| 15:17.45 | DustyBin | xoz_: could i run a guest vserver desktop (XFCE) with vserver and still take full advantage of my gfx card with xorg? |
| 15:17.57 | afaict | good morning/afternoon folks... |
| 15:18.13 | afaict | what's the minimal packages to print in a usb printer? i dont want install CUPS. |
| 15:18.28 | minus198 | How do i turn of IPv&? |
| 15:18.30 | minus198 | 6* |
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| 15:18.58 | afaict | minus198 rmmod ipv6 |
| 15:19.04 | afaict | minus198 it's a module... |
| 15:19.11 | minus198 | ok... |
| 15:19.34 | minus198 | Well.. I don't really want to turn it off... I just want to use ordinary ipv4 APT |
| 15:19.42 | minus198 | cause the ipv6 server is slow |
| 15:19.50 | stew | ttl-: its trying to execute it, so you'd perhaps create a file that is +x which contains "#!/bin/sh \n exit 0" |
| 15:20.11 | stew | ttl-: or you can just short circuit the prerm by putting 'exit 0' near the top of the file |
| 15:20.20 | xoz_ | DustyBin: yeah. vserver uses the running kernel and can share resources with running OS. you may also use xen but it uses a totally different kernel and root image. |
| 15:20.30 | ttl- | xoz: stew: this was de original error while installing http://pastebin.ca/801724 |
| 15:21.08 | xoz_ | ttl-: my browser can't see anything from paste.ca |
| 15:21.19 | DustyBin | xoz_: that sound perfik, that means i could run mythtv frontend as a guest, and keep my mythtvbackend on the host |
| 15:21.31 | ttl- | XoX: which pastebin is ok for you ? |
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| 15:22.02 | fundesktop | ok... there wasn't any updates in Debian unstable since weeks... why is that? |
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| 15:22.14 | ttl- | stew: ok i'll try |
| 15:22.22 | fundesktop | my sources.list contains this entry: "deb http://ftp.debian.org/debian/ sid main contrib non-free" |
| 15:23.09 | xoz_ | DustyBin: you can install linux image with xen and vserver for wider option. you can run vserver inside xen. |
| 15:23.22 | DustyBin | xen isnt compatible with mythtv |
| 15:23.32 | xoz_ | ok |
| 15:23.34 | stew | fundesktop: there was a week or two gap in updates when the 'ftp-master' server was down. but that has been fixed for a couple of weeks now, you should be getting package updates now. however you should choose a local mirror instead of using ftp.debian.org |
| 15:23.34 | DustyBin | ill just use vserver to split things up |
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| 15:24.04 | xoz_ | DustyBin: vserver is fast... not much difference from the running OS |
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| 15:24.16 | DustyBin | excellent! |
| 15:24.25 | fundesktop | stew: I switched to the official (?) FTP because I thought the not-being-uptodate problem was because of a mirror not synchronizing anymore |
| 15:24.36 | fundesktop | stew: in my understanding, I _should_ get updates |
| 15:24.43 | stew | fundesktop: yes, you should |
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| 15:25.53 | fundesktop | stew: so what could be reasons I don't get any? I don't know where to start... I already tried to empty my sources.list, run apt-get update, add the entries again, and run apt-get update again... |
| 15:26.06 | xoz_ | unless the mirror has some update problem |
| 15:26.10 | stew | fundesktop: which arch are you on? |
| 15:26.17 | fundesktop | stew: i386 |
| 15:26.32 | xoz_ | apt-get clean |
| 15:27.03 | fundesktop | xoz_: no effect |
| 15:27.15 | stew | fundesktop: run "apt-get update" then tell me what version "apt-cache policy bind9" says for Candidate: |
| 15:27.48 | fundesktop | Candidate: 1:9.4.1-P1-4 |
| 15:28.42 | fundesktop | complete output: # apt-cache policy bind9 bind9: Installed: (none) Candidate: 1:9.4.1-P1-4 Version table: 1:9.4.1-P1-4 0 500 http://ftp.debian.org sid/main Packages" |
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| 15:28.59 | stew | yeah, that's out of date |
| 15:29.09 | stew | fundesktop: can you show me the output of apt-get update ; use a pastebin: /msg dpkg pastebin |
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| 15:30.18 | moshii | mm is a bug report the right place to report that a package description is wrong? |
| 15:30.37 | stew | moshii: yes |
| 15:30.42 | fundesktop | stew: http://rafb.net/p/0ypgeU87.html |
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| 15:31.05 | DawnLight | bah bah bah |
| 15:31.17 | moshii | stew: cheers,.. I was thinking minor niggle, not worth it |
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| 15:31.55 | \amethyst | moshii: you could make it a wishlist bug then |
| 15:31.56 | fundesktop | stew: I also noticed it never seemed to download a package list, though one time I forced it to do (commenting out everything in sources.list, and then undo it) |
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| 15:32.18 | stew | fundesktop: it did downoad a package list: Hit http://ftp.debian.org sid/main Packages |
| 15:32.37 | stew | oh, no, that's not download, that is a cache hit |
| 15:32.38 | fundesktop | stew: it also reads "Fetched 2B in 3s (1B/s)"... 2 bytes? |
| 15:32.39 | xoz_ | fundesktop: can you try apt-get distupgrade |
| 15:32.48 | stew | xoz_: why? |
| 15:32.52 | fundesktop | xoz_: it says no updates |
| 15:32.55 | stew | fundesktop: please ignore xoz_ |
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| 15:33.18 | moshii | \amethyst: thats a point. The package is uae, it says a500 emulator.. that was true in the past but thats a bit misleading now |
| 15:33.40 | stew | fundesktop: perhaps one of the ftp.debian.org mirrors is out of sync. can you try a local mirror and see if you get the same results? |
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| 15:34.44 | stew | fundesktop: can you show me the output of "ls -l /var/lib/apt/lists" ? use a pastebin: /msg dpkg pastebin |
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| 15:36.34 | fundesktop | oh noes... ftp.de.debian.org downloaded a new package list... anyway, the output you requested before doing it: http://rafb.net/p/L0fIZ677.html |
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| 15:37.26 | fundesktop | stew: using a mirror solved the problem; I have 500 megs of updates now... but why didn't it work with ftp.debian.org? |
| 15:37.31 | stew | ok, one of the ftp.debian.org mirrors must not be updating |
| 15:37.45 | xoz_ | mirror problem... |
| 15:37.51 | stew | oh, no, ftp.debian.org is not a rotation, its just gluck |
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| 15:38.06 | stew | however, i was able to get a fresh pacakge list from there without problems |
| 15:38.20 | stew | fundesktop: what does "host ftp.debian.org" return for you? |
| 15:38.28 | fundesktop | stew: does it some kind of automatic load balancing, maybe based on my IP? |
| 15:38.37 | fundesktop | ftp.debian.org A 128.101.240.212 |
| 15:38.45 | stew | no, it doesn't |
| 15:39.12 | stew | oh, no, not gluck. that's umn. and 128.101.240.212 is the correct ip |
| 15:39.15 | fundesktop | also, I was thinking the mirrors just synchronize from ftp.debian.org |
| 15:40.26 | moshii | oops typo'd my bug report |
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| 15:42.19 | xoz_ | 128.101.240.212 is debian-mirror.mirror.umn.edu inside the school? |
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| 15:42.48 | wAndyw | Hi at all |
| 15:43.21 | fundesktop | stew: so no idea what was going on? |
| 15:43.24 | stew | "HEAD http://128.101.240.212/debian/dists/sid/main/binary-i386/Packages.gz | grep Last" confirms that it's out of date. i'm asking around to see if i can find a reason |
| 15:43.42 | fundesktop | stew: hm ok, thanks |
| 15:43.46 | wAndyw | How can I control access to the usb bus? For example I have a device with vid=x and oid=y and i can only use it with libusb as root |
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| 15:45.10 | moshii | wAndyw: What device is it? |
| 15:45.54 | wAndyw | moshii: own device, not available for sale :-) |
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| 15:46.01 | wAndyw | own vid and pid |
| 15:46.13 | moshii | wAndyw: but the driver is in userspace? |
| 15:46.27 | wAndyw | moshii: Yes, I use libusb |
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| 15:46.49 | nucco | hello, I'm in a minimal install |
| 15:46.54 | nucco | please what package installes gnome desktop? |
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| 15:47.09 | DustyBin | nucco: apt-cache search gnome |
| 15:47.12 | wAndyw | moshii: I think I can use hotplug, right? |
| 15:47.19 | chops | nucco: "gnome" |
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| 15:47.29 | nucco | ok thanks |
| 15:47.34 | Lark1 | I need some help with grub, I have 3 HDD, /dev/sda sdb sdc, root partition is on raid level 1 , /dev/md1, consisting of /dev/sda2 & /dev/sdb2. The /boot partion is at /dev/sdc3. My MBR got messed up when a raid disk failed. Now I *thought* I got grub reinstalled correctly. But when I boot, I get a grub prompt. So, what I did was. "root (hd2,2)" <-- corresponds to /dev/sdc3 where my /boot/ partition is. Then "kernel /vmlinuz-2.6..." Then "initrd /initrd-2.6. |
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| 15:47.43 | xoz_ | nucco: apt-cache show gnome |
| 15:47.46 | peppe | wAndyw: you can use udev rules |
| 15:47.58 | moshii | wAndyw: I don't know you want to control perms to your device.. thats going to depend on your driver |
| 15:48.00 | peppe | wAndyw: you can set up permissions properly for /dev/usb/* devices there |
| 15:48.01 | moshii | wAndyw: |
| 15:48.17 | wAndyw | peppe: Thank you, I'll have a look |
| 15:48.34 | chops | Lark1: I could be wrong, but IIRC you want "root" to be your root directory, not your boot directory. And then you can say "kernel (hd2,2)/vmlinuz-2.6..." and so on. |
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| 15:49.35 | Lark1 | chops: Ok thanks, I will try that. But how do I make root be /dev/md1 ? or do I simply use root (hd0,1) because that is one of the drives? |
| 15:49.46 | stew | fundesktop: https://rt.debian.org/Ticket/Display.html?id=218 (un: guest pw: readonly) the machine is out of disk space. it is a know issue |
| 15:50.02 | chops | Lark1: Hm, sec |
| 15:51.08 | fundesktop | stew: I see... so what's actually the master server, if not ftp.debian.org? |
| 15:51.25 | chops | Lark1: Do you really need "root" for that usage? How about specifying kernel and initrd, and then including a root= option on the kernel command line? |
| 15:51.35 | stew | fundesktop: ftp-master.debian.org |
| 15:51.42 | chops | Lark1: In that case, root=/dev/md1 should work (assuming that your initrd is set up properly) |
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| 15:51.52 | dv_ | hello |
| 15:52.04 | dv_ | a faulty installation just erased the fstab file here |
| 15:52.12 | dv_ | can I restore it using the /etc/mtab one? |
| 15:52.39 | Lark1 | chops: sure I can do that, and it should be setup properly. How can I change the grub boot options from a grub prompt? Don't I have to get into the grub configuration file? |
| 15:52.41 | moshii | dv_: if you know your system re-writing the fstab shouldnt be a problem |
| 15:52.42 | RichiH | dv_: look over it to make sure it is sane and that nothing is missing (like cd rom) |
| 15:52.43 | RichiH | but yah |
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| 15:52.58 | chops | Lark1: Yeah, what I just said is how my raid-rooted machine boots. I'll pastebin /boot/grub/menu.lst from that machine; that's the file you want to edit. |
| 15:52.59 | Lark1 | chops: by grub prompt, I do not mean the list of kernels, I mean "grub>" |
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| 15:53.45 | xoz_ | dv_: don't just copy mtab... it has different format than fstab. just use it as basis. |
| 15:53.52 | Lark1 | chops: thanks. |
| 15:53.52 | dv_ | crap |
| 15:53.53 | dv_ | CRAP |
| 15:54.03 | chops | Lark1: http://pastebin.com/m7928404 |
| 15:54.24 | dv_ | xoz, what are the differences? |
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| 15:54.32 | chops | Lark1: You should boot by hand using the kernel, initrd, and boot commands, and then edit /boot/grub/menu.lst once you've booted into your system and verified it works. |
| 15:55.18 | chops | dv_: man fstab |
| 15:55.25 | dv_ | oh man I have to reinstall the entire system |
| 15:55.29 | DawnLight | i'm looking for software that can use the upnp protocol to configure a router's port forwarding. anyone knows? |
| 15:55.33 | dv_ | man fstab says nothing |
| 15:55.42 | dv_ | it does not help me at all |
| 15:55.55 | stew | xoz_: how is the format of mtab different than fstab? |
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| 15:56.29 | Lark1 | chops: ok, thats what I tried, but I think I did it wrong. This is how correct? "kernel etc." , "initrd etc.", "boot root=/dev/md1" |
| 15:56.29 | stew | dv_: one thing that you'd have to change if you copied lines from mtab is the passno (sixth column) |
| 15:56.46 | dv_ | they are all 0 here |
| 15:56.55 | stew | dv_: yes, and that's obviously not correct |
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| 15:57.13 | dv_ | the last two numbers should be 1 1 for / and 0 0 for everything else? |
| 15:57.29 | dv_ | what is "dumping"? |
| 15:57.36 | chops | Lark1: The way I do it is "kernel etc. root=/dev/md1", "initrd etc.", "boot". grub is sort of a mystery to me; I won't swear that what you typed won't work also. |
| 15:57.37 | xoz_ | stew: swap for example is not shown in mtab |
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| 15:57.41 | kantor | HI, who wants to contribute for an open source application on sourceforge.net ? |
| 15:57.54 | stew | xoz_: how is the format different? |
| 15:58.01 | dv_ | tmpfs /dev/shm tmpfs rw,nosuid,nodev 0 0 <- swap? |
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| 15:58.12 | stew | dv_: no, that's not swap |
| 15:58.13 | chops | Lark1: See my pastebin -- the two lines under each "title" line are commands you can type at the "grub>" prompt, followed by "boot". |
| 15:58.34 | dv_ | and there is absolutely no way to recover the old fstab |
| 15:58.42 | dv_ | I do NOT remember its contents |
| 15:58.49 | stew | dv_: "apt-cache show dump" you are almost definately not using it. if you have other real partitions mounted, you'd want a 2 for those in the passno column (man fstab) |
| 15:58.49 | dv_ | so I have to reinstall debian |
| 15:59.09 | chops | dv_: You don't have to reinstall Debian for that reason. Regenerating /etc/fstab is easier than reinstalling. |
| 15:59.18 | dv_ | but what if I forget stuff? |
| 15:59.29 | dv_ | dpkg-reconfigure fstab does not exist |
| 15:59.41 | stew | dv_: "cat /proc/swaps" will list your active swap partitions |
| 15:59.41 | riz_ | dv_ edit it manually |
| 15:59.52 | dv_ | somehow debian autogenerates a fstab during installation. is this available? |
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| 16:00.13 | chops | dv_: Then things won't work until you fix them :-). It's very easy, though. Pastebin your /proc/mounts and /proc/swaps files and I'll give you an /etc/fstab. |
| 16:00.19 | Lark1 | chops: ok thanks alot, I will try that now. I think I just needed to put root= on the kernel line. |
| 16:00.27 | chops | Lark1: k, let me know how it goes. |
| 16:00.32 | dv_ | Filename Type Size Used Priority |
| 16:00.32 | dv_ | /dev/sda2 partition 2000084 0 -1 |
| 16:00.37 | stew | dv_: its just "proc /proc proc defaults 0 0" then your actual physical partitions (including swap) |
| 16:00.37 | dv_ | this is in /proc/swaps |
| 16:00.37 | chops | dv_: pasteBIN |
| 16:00.44 | dv_ | sorry |
| 16:00.53 | dv_ | but this does not look like a valid fstab entry to me |
| 16:01.12 | stew | dv_: so also add "/dev/sda2 none swap sw 0 0" |
| 16:01.14 | chops | dv_: No, it's not. But it's trivial to turn into one. |
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| 16:01.51 | dv_ | rootfs / rootfs rw 0 0 <- ? never saw this one in fstab |
| 16:02.32 | stew | dv_: no, skip it. just list the physical partitions and proc |
| 16:02.41 | xoz_ | dv_: sudo fdisk -l /dev/hda |
| 16:02.48 | xoz_ | dv_: or as root |
| 16:03.27 | dv_ | http://rafb.net/p/yM6HSx19.html |
| 16:03.47 | Lark1 | chops: Wonderfully ;) |
| 16:04.23 | dv_ | I think its too risky. I'll reinstall. |
| 16:04.44 | stew | dv_: you only need three things in fstab, swap, /, proc; you probably want to add the ntfs partition as a forth. that is all |
| 16:05.04 | stew | dv_: i gave you the lines for swap and proc. you can copy the lines for the other two, but change passno to 1 for / |
| 16:05.15 | stew | dv_: what is the risk? |
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| 16:06.48 | chops | dv_: http://rafb.net/p/J08y0U71.html |
| 16:06.59 | chops | dv_: Untested, of course. But it should work. |
| 16:07.08 | nucco | it looks like 'apt-get install gnome' doesn't install xserver, what do I need to install? |
| 16:07.11 | fundesktop | can anyone confirm that apt-get/dpkg block Ctrl+Z on bash/xterm wwhen dist-upgrading? |
| 16:07.31 | rati | Is there any POP/IMAP proxy in debian? |
| 16:07.44 | wAndyw | peppe: udev.rules ist exactly what i was looking for, thank you |
| 16:07.49 | chops | rati: apt-cache search imap proxy |
| 16:08.01 | stew | fundesktop: they do not |
| 16:08.04 | xoz_ | dv_: http://rafb.net/p/uY76pJ91.html |
| 16:08.27 | wAndyw | nucco: xserver-xorg |
| 16:08.30 | fundesktop | stew: hm strange, Ctrl+Z doesn't work here anymore :/ |
| 16:08.49 | dv_ | but where is fuse? what about this devpts thing? what about usbfs? that /dev/shm thing? etc. |
| 16:09.03 | stew | dv_: don't worry about that stuff |
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| 16:09.16 | dv_ | I NEED fuse |
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| 16:09.17 | rati | chops, thanks |
| 16:09.19 | nucco | wAndyw: won't it be a good idea to have gnome install xserver as a dependency? |
| 16:09.34 | FastPutty | ok guys, eveyrtime i reboot the sderver, my gateway pointed to the wrong one. is it posssible to make th change permanently? |
| 16:09.43 | fundesktop | nucco: why? |
| 16:09.50 | FastPutty | i used route command but it look like not permanent |
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| 16:10.06 | xoz_ | FastPutty: /etc/network/interfaces |
| 16:10.13 | stew | dv_: you don't need to mention any of those things in fstab |
| 16:10.14 | xoz_ | FastPutty: are you using dhcp? |
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| 16:10.18 | FastPutty | no dhcp |
| 16:10.21 | FastPutty | all static |
| 16:10.26 | xoz_ | man interfaces |
| 16:10.43 | rati | !z25 |
| 16:10.43 | dpkg | somebody said z25 was as of version 0.090, udev has the ability to statically rename ethernet cards based on MAC address. The addresses are configured in /etc/udev/rules.d/z25_persistent-net.rules . If you want the mappings to change, edit that file. If you don't want udev to touch your interface names, remove that file and z45_persistent-net-generator.rules in the same directory. |
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| 16:10.59 | chops | nucco: It's possible to run gnome on a headless terminal server without any local display. It should probably be a recommends: if it isn't, though. |
| 16:10.59 | Lark1 | chops: oddly, It boots, but seems to freeze at fsck'ing /dev/md0 (thats my /home partition /dev/sda1,sdb1,sdc1) |
| 16:11.20 | Lark1 | chops: it gets to 28.6% |
| 16:11.20 | FastPutty | xoz_: well it more complicate then what you think |
| 16:11.25 | FastPutty | xoz_: i am using trough a vpn |
| 16:11.34 | FastPutty | xoz_: so i want it to pointed to a VPN gateway |
| 16:11.43 | chops | Lark1: Odd |
| 16:11.50 | xoz_ | FastPutty: then the vpn config t should have that |
| 16:11.50 | chops | Lark1: How long has it been frozen for? |
| 16:12.00 | FastPutty | xoz_: ok |
| 16:12.00 | Lark1 | chops: wait wait, it powered through, I will keep you updated |
| 16:12.04 | rati | FastPutty, Is your interface changed to eth0 to some eth2..? |
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| 16:13.05 | chops | FastPutty: What VPN software? |
| 16:13.09 | xoz_ | rati: gateway problem. nothing to do with eth or mac |
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| 16:13.43 | dv_ | should I mention the cd drive in fstab |
| 16:13.45 | rati | ok |
| 16:13.49 | xoz_ | dv_: yep |
| 16:13.57 | xoz_ | dv_: just follw the format. |
| 16:13.58 | dv_ | its scd0 here |
| 16:14.31 | xoz_ | dv_: mtab is not one-one with fstab. |
| 16:14.54 | dv_ | /dev/scd0 /media/cdrom0 udf,iso9660 user,noauto 0 0 <- ok? |
| 16:15.05 | xoz_ | yep |
| 16:15.28 | dv_ | k, thanks |
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| 16:16.52 | nucco | chops: X fails to start, says: could not open default font 'fixed', what do I need to install if you know please. |
| 16:17.22 | chops | nucco: Did you install the "xorg" package, or just "xserver-xorg"? |
| 16:17.25 | joefso | dpkg, tell us about gentoo |
| 16:17.26 | dpkg | joefso wants you to know: gentoo is, like, a ports-based Linux distro for x86, PowerPC, Sparc, Sparc64. Maybe akin to BSD. Something you don't want to administer more than 2 of. Nice file browser. Its users are gentoobies. See Also http://www.debian.org/News/weekly/2003/44/ or ask me about 'greenhouse'. bash.org/?464385 or rice rice rice rice, or http://www.arouse.net/despair-linux/gentoo.jpg |
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| 16:18.09 | nucco | chops: I installed xserver-xorg |
| 16:18.17 | chops | nucco: Ah, try installing xorg |
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| 16:18.49 | nucco | chops: processing |
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| 16:19.39 | Lark1 | chops: Ok, it booted "hurray!". I checked the /boot/grub/menu.lst, and everything is already configured the exact way it should be ( I didn't need to change anything) What do I need to do now so that grub will boot. Right now it wants to just boot to grub prompt. It is like it doesn't know to use its own config file. |
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| 16:20.02 | nucco | chops: works... the default debian gdm theme in all its glory :) |
| 16:20.58 | themill | I've just had a new machine dropped on me to install Debian on it for a user who is fairly new to linux. I was wanting to go with safe and stable (Etch). But it's an ICH9 chipset and Intel Q35 graphics so it's going to need a newer kernel and X than Etch. Suggestions? |
| 16:21.00 | chops | Lark1: Hm, grub-install maybe? |
| 16:21.15 | Lark1 | just issue that command at root command? |
| 16:21.21 | chops | themill: etch + backports? |
| 16:21.29 | Lark1 | I guess it knows to read the config. |
| 16:21.34 | Lark1 | I will try it! |
| 16:21.42 | chops | Lark1: grub-install /dev/sda |
| 16:21.46 | chops | Lark1: (or wherever) |
| 16:22.00 | themill | chops: yeah... backporting X doesn't sound like the easiest of most fun thing to try though. |
| 16:22.20 | chops | !tell themill about backports |
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| 16:22.29 | Lark1 | but.. wherever is where. I mean, do I want it on mbr of first drive? or mbr of all drives that / (/dev/md1) uses, or the device that /boot is on? |
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| 16:22.36 | chops | Er |
| 16:22.42 | chops | !tell themill about backports.org |
| 16:22.43 | chops | Better |
| 16:22.49 | themill | chops: X isn't on bpo |
| 16:22.56 | chops | themill: :-( |
| 16:23.02 | themill | yeah |
| 16:23.04 | nucco | thanks for your help all. bye |
| 16:23.15 | chops | themill: Installing testing and not telling the person that it can be upgraded might work out okay too :-) |
| 16:23.18 | eth01 | where can i get the default apache 000-default config? |
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| 16:23.48 | Lark1 | chops: do you mean "wherever" as where / is? or where /boot is? or where the first hdd is? |
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| 16:24.14 | stew | eth01: its not in /etc/apache2/sites-available? |
| 16:24.43 | Lark1 | I am sorry for my noob questions, I have been using debian for like 6 years, just never dealt with this. grub just always worked. |
| 16:24.46 | eth01 | stew: fixed. |
| 16:24.47 | chops | Lark1: Where the boot hard disk is, sorry. That's where grub-install writes the bootloader, with a pointer to the correct config. The reason I'm telling you to do that (even though it looks like there's already a bootloader image on your boot disk) is that it looks like the bootloader image doesn't know where to read the menu.lst config from. Make sense? |
| 16:25.01 | ivh | Hi, I run a system with lenny and wonder how I can set the ownership of automatically mounted usb-sticks and mp3-players. It's a multi-user system where several people are logged in on differend x-servers and it seems that each gnome wants to mount it but often the wrong person gets teh ownership and e.g. cannot umount the device. |
| 16:25.03 | themill | chops: I've done that on my wife's laptop (same story about the machine and new user) where I can safely and quietly do the upgrades from time to time and make sure it's working. But this machine won't be sitting behind a firewall or NAT so I'm not keen on the not-doing-upgrades routine. |
| 16:25.07 | hon | I get this error : Couldn't find rules file (/etc/X11/xkb/rules/xfree86), and I have /usr/share/X11/xkb/xfree86. Which package has the configuration of keymaps? |
| 16:25.09 | Lark1 | chops: yes makes since. ty |
| 16:25.26 | chops | Lark1: Yeah, grub is a PITA to deal with. I don't know how it could be made terribly much easier; I think bootloader issues are just difficult. |
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| 16:26.15 | sarefo | hey, i upgraded from etch->lenny, i just restarted and kde gives me a black screen with an arrow when doing startx from the command line. anybody knows this problem? (and better yet, the solution ;) |
| 16:26.21 | Lark1 | chops: but I am not sure, is boot disk the first drive detected by the system? or something configured by where I put the /boot partition? |
| 16:26.31 | chops | themill: You could safely and quietly keep up with security upgrades and ignore the others. I've done that in sid and had reasonable luck (trusting aptitude to pull in any other required upgrades when new stuff is needed for security). It's a lot harder than keeping a stable system security-upgraded, though, obviously. |
| 16:26.52 | chops | Lark1: It depends on the BIOS. In almost all cases it'll be /dev/sda. |
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| 16:27.23 | Lark1 | chops: I have configured my bios to detect /dev/sda as first drive and so on. so thats it. thanks again. |
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| 16:27.57 | chops | Lark1: np |
| 16:28.12 | themill | chops: hmmm... you do eventually end up in a situation where you have to upgrade libc which then pulls in everything else though. |
| 16:28.51 | chops | themill: New libc doesn't pull everything else in. I kept up with it for six months or so (IIRC) before I wanted to dist-upgrade because of non-security-related bugs that were causing me problems. |
| 16:29.04 | themill | sarefo: what chipset? anything in /var/log/Xorg.0.log? |
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| 16:29.39 | sarefo | themill: nothing special that i realized. saw no errors or warnings, that is |
| 16:29.49 | chops | themill: If new libc pulled everything else in, then a new libc would be a huge painful transition like C++ ABI changes are. (Er... I think... I'm having pangs of doubt now; maybe you're right.) |
| 16:30.03 | sarefo | you mean graphics chipset? i do see an arrow |
| 16:30.10 | Lark1 | chops: the grub-install script gave me some usefull information. Grub keeps the device mapping in a file /boot/grub/device.map . Thats a great place to start for these kind of issues I think ;) |
| 16:30.19 | chops | Lark1: Heh |
| 16:30.29 | themill | chops: a libc transition generally is a fairly painful transition... ;) |
| 16:30.56 | sarefo | card is api radeon9800pro |
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| 16:31.19 | themill | sarefo: and are you using the radeon or fglrx driver for it? |
| 16:32.12 | chops | themill: Not a minor one. I'm almost sure I was doing the security-upgrades-only thing on an old sid when the 2.6->2.7 libc transition happened, and I didn't notice the transition. If you couldn't run old stuff on a new libc6, then the whole archive would have to be reuploaded. If you can run old stuff on a new libc6, then there's no reason to upgrade anything except libc6 when you install the first package that needs a new libc6. No? Am I getting someth |
| 16:32.40 | sarefo | themill: not sure, ill check. btw there *is* a warning: radeon: no matching device section for instance (BusID PCI:1:0:1) found |
| 16:32.47 | sarefo | no idea what that means :) |
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| 16:33.25 | sarefo | and: dri disabled - dual head config is not working with dri at present. |
| 16:33.33 | sarefo | which i have -> two monitors on one card. |
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| 16:33.41 | sarefo | but as it's disabled should be no problem i guess |
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| 16:36.07 | FastPutty | is it possible to route port 80 to another gateway |
| 16:36.18 | peppe_ | how could i write a serious text which says that changes of something will take effect in 10 minutes? "Changes will take effekt in 10 minutes" just sounds somewhat stupid |
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| 16:36.30 | peppe_ | fastputty: what exactly do you need? |
| 16:36.44 | sarefo | peppe_: sounds nice to me :) |
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| 16:36.51 | peppe_ | there is a way for that, by using iptables or redir, which is easier |
| 16:37.14 | peppe_ | yes, but is there any way to do that better? just imagine that i need that for an application for the government |
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| 16:37.54 | sarefo | i find it's good enough for the government... |
| 16:38.13 | sarefo | but i'd write effect with a c for them ;) |
| 16:39.24 | chops | peppe_: "Changes will take effect on the next system process state machine update process. System process state machine update processes occur once every ten minutes (600 seconds)." |
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| 16:39.44 | peppe_ | uh, yes :> |
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| 16:40.24 | themill | chops: there are some/lots of packages that end up with versioned deps on libc versions through the locales package. Which is why the libc6 snafu in sid is a minor problem. But you're right, you can probably get around it for a while. Good thought. |
| 16:40.24 | peppe | chops: the next step would be "launch ICBMs" |
| 16:40.29 | sarefo | what was the module i was supposed to load in xorg.conf again? |
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| 16:40.56 | sarefo | peppe: then the appropriate thing would be to put up some nudy pics |
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| 16:41.12 | peppe | sarefo: just above the "launch" button |
| 16:41.31 | FastPutty | peppe_: i have a 2 gateway, i want everything go out on the first one except for poeple who surf on the net, |
| 16:41.36 | FastPutty | peppe_: it will goes to gateway 2 |
| 16:42.10 | sarefo | themill: i can't scrool up on my irc client :(, what was the module, something with glx? |
| 16:42.38 | themill | sarefo: for your chipset, the radeon driver is the right one. Or the non-free fglrx |
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| 16:43.47 | sarefo | ok, then, any other ideas what could be wrong? |
| 16:43.58 | FastPutty | peppe_: do you get what i mean? |
| 16:44.47 | sarefo | i do have a desktop that spans over both monitors, only that just black with an arrow, and nothing to do except move the error is a bit too minimalistic for me ;) |
| 16:45.01 | peppe_ | not exactly, however, this seems to be more complicated than that scenario for which my suggestion was intended. i had the idea to use "redir", it's a very nice little tool which can redirect requests on IPs, domains or ports from a local machine to other specified targets |
| 16:45.24 | peppe_ | but i believe, that is not what you are searching for, and i'm not that good in iptables, sorry |
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| 16:47.28 | themill | sarefo: what we need is a good error message ;) perhaps backup your xorg.conf and then start with a vanilla one for one monitor. Then try dual monitors. |
| 16:47.33 | themill | !tell sarefo about drxx |
| 16:47.39 | HardDisk_WP | hi all |
| 16:47.44 | HardDisk_WP | does anyone know, how multi-language Man pages work? |
| 16:48.30 | themill | HardDisk_WP: man man (and no, I'm not being funny) |
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| 16:49.19 | HardDisk_WP | themill, i mean where to place the man pages for different locales |
| 16:49.21 | misnix | ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- |
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| 16:50.43 | eth01 | can i please have this confirmed as being correct ... http://unspecific.net/1.txt |
| 16:50.54 | themill | HardDisk_WP: /usr/share/man/$LC_MESSAGES/man?/ |
| 16:51.09 | abrotman | eth01: ask #apache |
| 16:51.30 | rhalff_ | eth01, apache2ctl configtest |
| 16:51.32 | eth01 | debian has it's 'own' version. |
| 16:51.42 | themill | eth01: your indentation is annoying, btw |
| 16:52.17 | eth01 | themill: now you're being petty. |
| 16:52.21 | themill | eth01: and the configtest works fine in debian to test your syntax |
| 16:52.43 | themill | eth01: not petty, it was just harder to see whether even the basic structure was right with your indentation |
| 16:52.55 | HardDisk_WP | themill, :) |
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| 16:53.18 | HardDisk_WP | themill, is this section of file system guarded by dpkg or do all manpages go into this dir? |
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| 16:54.15 | themill | HardDisk_WP: you shouldn't touch anything in /usr except /usr/src and /usr/local/. There is also /usr/local/share/man and the same directory hierarchy should work in there. |
| 16:54.24 | HardDisk_WP | okay |
| 16:54.28 | HardDisk_WP | good :) |
| 16:55.18 | HardDisk_WP | themill, hm /usr/local/share/man contains only man1 and man8 |
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| 16:56.33 | themill | HardDisk_WP: yes, you will need to create $LC_MESSAGES/man1 or similar in there. You may also need to run mandb after adding pages (check docs) |
| 16:56.55 | minus198 | how do I tell "apt-get" to use IPv4 instead of IPv6? |
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| 16:57.10 | jmut | hi, I see there is weekly download installation image, but what about stable release is out... +- 1month , 3months, 6months, year? |
| 16:57.17 | HardDisk_WP | ok |
| 16:58.04 | sarefo | what's the config file for xorg settings like switching keys in debian? |
| 16:58.46 | sepski | !drxx |
| 16:58.46 | dpkg | To reconfigure your X server, run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg as root. If you're not using Xorg (sarge or earlier), dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86, and ask me about <xmd5sum> if you've changed XF86Config-4 yourself. |
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| 17:02.08 | abrotman | jmut: huh ? |
| 17:02.09 | sarefo | themill: i reconfigured x, and yay, now i have *two* mouse arrows, one on each black screen... |
| 17:02.30 | themill | sarefo: well at least you can feel special.... |
| 17:02.32 | abrotman | jmut: stable is released .. there are minor revisions ('r' levels) .. but it doesn't change on a large scale basis |
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| 17:04.15 | jmut | abrotman: oki thanks |
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| 17:05.14 | dakov | hello, how i can install sound drivers for my debian 4.0 r1 |
| 17:05.15 | chops | abrotman: Looks like you answered his question, whatever it was :-) |
| 17:05.18 | dakov | i386 |
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| 17:05.26 | abrotman | that happens |
| 17:05.41 | abrotman | dakov: what's your sound card? |
| 17:05.43 | abrotman | !alsa one-liner |
| 17:05.43 | dpkg | rumour has it, alsa one-liner is "apt-get install alsa-base alsa-utils", or if you are running a 2.4 kernel ask me about <2.4 alsa one-liner>, or after its installed, run alsamixer and unmute the volume levels, or some applications don't know how to talk directly to ALSA (ask about <devdsp>). You may also need libesd-alsa0 if you're using ESD-based applications. |
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| 17:06.07 | dakov | i real tek |
| 17:06.10 | dakov | think* |
| 17:06.27 | dakov | Which command i can use for see it? |
| 17:06.43 | abrotman | lspci is one way |
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| 17:07.32 | dakov | 00:05.0 Audio device: nVidia Corporation MCP61 High Definition Audio (rev a2) |
| 17:07.38 | dakov | is this :) |
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| 17:07.53 | abrotman | i think that one is snd-intel-hda .. not 100% sure though |
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| 17:08.40 | dakov | !ATi |
| 17:08.40 | dpkg | Want to use a newer ATI videocard in sarge? for etch/testing and sid/unstable, just install fglrx-driver and fglrx-kernel-src and read /usr/share/doc/fglrx-kernel-src/README.Debian.gz Try to avoid using ati's stuff directy unless you have to. --- I've heard the driver control panel app needs 32bit libs to compile under 64b, or chris.evenden@amd.com, or and open specs announced 2007-09-05 or ask about <radeonhd> |
| 17:09.03 | dakov | !ati drivers |
| 17:09.03 | dpkg | If you wish to use ATI's closed-source binary fglrx driver, then follow the instructions on http://stanchina.net/~flavio/debian-official/fglrx-driver.html - do NOT try to convert the drivers from ATI's website yourself with Alien. These drivers support Radeon 8500 or higher cards. |
| 17:09.15 | themill | !tell dakov about msg the bot |
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| 17:09.33 | fundesktop | btw...: which graphics card should you buy: ATI or Nvidia? |
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| 17:10.00 | FastPutty | 3dfx VOodoo :D |
| 17:10.07 | abrotman | fundesktop: depends on your needs .. i find intel more than excellent |
| 17:10.14 | themill | !i-m dakov |
| 17:10.14 | dpkg | dakov: To work out what module you need to load for your pci card, try pasting lspci -n into http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/ . |
| 17:10.23 | abrotman | wtf is the . for? |
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| 17:10.50 | themill | abrotman: makes it a sentence, I guess. |
| 17:11.06 | levander | Any idea how to tell if my kernel was compiled with SSE support? |
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| 17:11.24 | humbolt | Do I need different installation CDs for amd and intel 64bit systems (assuming I want the 64bit distro)? |
| 17:11.44 | abrotman | nope |
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| 17:12.08 | mgpaulus | Hello. If I wanted to run a 64 bit chroot on an AMD 3800+ X2, can I do that with the stock linux-image-2.6.18-5-amd64? I have a standard 32 bit environment (upgraded motherboard/proc after building original potato system), and don't want to rebuild it. But I want to run 1 64 bit app (Folding@Home beta SMP client). |
| 17:12.36 | sarefo | you guys really think the problem with the black screen is driver specific? |
| 17:12.41 | themill | humbolt: intel Core2Duo systems or Intel IA64 (itanium)? |
| 17:12.42 | humbolt | abrotman: but debian.org shows an amd64 and an ia64 branch/cd set. |
| 17:12.43 | abrotman | you might want to ask #debian-amd64 on irc.oftc.net |
| 17:12.52 | abrotman | humbolt: ia64 is NOT you .. ia64 is itanium |
| 17:12.54 | sarefo | i mean, is it a guess, or do you *really* believe it? ;) |
| 17:13.03 | abrotman | !ia64 |
| 17:13.03 | dpkg | it has been said that ia64 is (Intel Architecture-64), a 64-bit processor architecture developed in cooperation by Intel and Hewlett-Packard, implemented by processors such as Itanium and Itanium 2. The goal of Itanium was to produce a "post-RISC era" arch using EPIC. see http://www.debian.org/ports/ia64/ -- if your CPU is opteron/athlon64/turion/sempron/xeon/em64t/pentium/core2duo/core*, then it is NOT ia64 |
| 17:13.12 | themill | beat me to it... |
| 17:13.16 | humbolt | abrotman: ok, so the xeon things are amd64? |
| 17:13.18 | abrotman | yes |
| 17:13.28 | abrotman | if you didn't spend 10k on the box . it's not itanium :) |
| 17:13.35 | themill | heh |
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| 17:13.52 | humbolt | abrotman: is itanium a pure RISC thing or what? |
| 17:13.58 | mgpaulus | lavender: you can look in /proc/cpuinfo and see if sse is in the 'flags' |
| 17:14.05 | humbolt | abrotman: ok, I better google for that. |
| 17:14.44 | humbolt | when I have setup an i386 system, is there a way to upgrade to an amd64 system? |
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| 17:14.52 | abrotman | no |
| 17:15.00 | abrotman | well .. kind of .. but not directly |
| 17:15.02 | elmo40 | humbolt: huh? |
| 17:15.07 | mgpaulus | !x86_64 |
| 17:15.19 | elmo40 | dont you use diff cpp_64 or something? |
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| 17:15.34 | humbolt | mgpaulus: ? |
| 17:15.42 | abrotman | mgpaulus: /msg dpkg amd64 |
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| 17:15.45 | elmo40 | but the kernel *should* be compiled for 64-bit |
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| 17:15.56 | elmo40 | and any app that is capable of running 64 should be used. |
| 17:15.58 | humbolt | abrotman: bootstrap on an other partition probably the only way? |
| 17:16.01 | abrotman | yes |
| 17:16.09 | mgpaulus | humbolt: I was trying to play with dpkg |
| 17:16.16 | elmo40 | but more then not, it will be in 32-bit mode anyways, due to non-upgraded apps |
| 17:16.17 | abrotman | mgpaulus: /msg dpkg foo .. have fun |
| 17:16.28 | dakov | themill: i cannot paste in this link |
| 17:18.23 | themill | dakov: no, but it should tell you the name of the module to use. Or you could paste the results into a pastebin if you think we will be able to interpret them better than you. |
| 17:18.57 | joefso | what good torrent clients are there? |
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| 17:19.20 | elmo40 | rtorrent |
| 17:19.24 | elmo40 | !rtorrent |
| 17:19.24 | dpkg | i heard rtorrent is a solid, powerful and very efficient curses-based bittorrent client. It is in debian unstable and testing. For sarge see http://www.backports.org/. |
| 17:19.42 | joefso | cursus-based :booo!: |
| 17:19.58 | joefso | where in the age of GUI |
| 17:19.58 | elmo40 | gui apps are too sticky for me. |
| 17:20.02 | Ronin | joefso: nothing wrong with that and besides you didnt specify gui |
| 17:20.11 | sarefo | joefso: you'll wait, when *you* have your kde crashed, you'll be glad! :) |
| 17:20.12 | elmo40 | Ronin: thanks :) |
| 17:20.14 | joefso | I tought it was normal |
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| 17:20.21 | elmo40 | what is normal? |
| 17:20.21 | joefso | sarefo, lol |
| 17:20.24 | elmo40 | !normal |
| 17:20.25 | dpkg | There's no such thing as normal. Only different. |
| 17:20.28 | elmo40 | ;) |
| 17:20.41 | joefso | :P |
| 17:20.49 | dakov | i cannot paste , fuck :P |
| 17:20.52 | joefso | Would be cool if there was something like utorrent |
| 17:20.53 | elmo40 | not where you wanted to be |
| 17:21.04 | elmo40 | dakov: why not? paste from what to what? |
| 17:21.08 | sarefo | joefso: no really, i'm on console right now, and mp3blaster is giving me sweet music |
| 17:21.09 | joefso | elmo40, sounds like something that is going to haunt me tonight |
| 17:21.12 | elmo40 | joefso: ktorrent? |
| 17:21.17 | dakov | maybe mouse error |
| 17:21.18 | Ronin | joefso: did you look on packages.debian.org or search apt-get search |
| 17:21.20 | dakov | i dont know |
| 17:22.05 | elmo40 | your bloated azureus will work for you, joefso |
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| 17:22.14 | dakov | themill: http://pastebin.egghelp-bg.com/35 |
| 17:22.18 | elmo40 | dakov: what are you trying to copy? |
| 17:22.52 | elmo40 | never mind |
| 17:22.53 | dakov | i get it yet |
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| 17:23.09 | joefso | easily set up and ready to use. I like the sound of that! |
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| 17:23.24 | joefso | (azureus description) |
| 17:23.25 | Ronin | joefso: sounds like my term client actually |
| 17:23.27 | elmo40 | joefso: cli is your friend! ;) |
| 17:23.45 | themill | dakov: ok, so that's saying exactly what abrotman said ages ago, use the snd-hda-intel driver. But you will need a kernel 2.6.21 or newer. |
| 17:24.12 | themill | dakov: Etch comes with 2.6.18, you can get a newer one from backports.org. /msg dpkg backports.org |
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| 17:24.26 | dakov | ok |
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| 17:25.27 | Ramattack | Hi |
| 17:25.27 | Ramattack | when is launched cron.daily? where could I see it? |
| 17:25.37 | elmo40 | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:25.48 | Ramattack | no the time the time |
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| 17:26.30 | gamag | I have nvidia graphics card. I have run the installer of nvidia drivers available in nvidia site. glxgears: error while loading shared libraries: libGL.so.1: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory - What more do I need to install? |
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| 17:26.53 | themill | dakov: and that ethernet card might make some fun for you too. You might need to hack at the udev rule so that it doesn't always come up with a new ethX at every boot because it gets a new MAC address. Not sure if that's the case for you, but the nvidia network cards do that. /msg dpkg z25 |
| 17:27.11 | Ramattack | got it |
| 17:27.14 | humbolt | what I want to do is setting up a Xen environment. So I thought, as I might have to go beyond 4GB of RAM some time, I'd better right out start with amd64. What do you think? As this is for a server, flashplugin and other such issues don't really concern me. And I could still run a 32 domX if I need to remotely run desktop apps. |
| 17:27.15 | Ramattack | thanks a lot |
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| 17:27.23 | elmo40 | gamag: what nVidia card is it? |
| 17:27.52 | humbolt | What do you guys think about that? |
| 17:28.23 | humbolt | Or should I rater run a 32bit env with a 64bit kernel and 64bit Xen? |
| 17:28.51 | dakov | want i not udev touch my interface names? |
| 17:29.03 | elmo40 | 64 helps computing power (larger pipe = more processes/second) For a server, it is suggested. |
| 17:29.47 | ghatak | I am trying to script dpkg -l to generate information about packages installed on my servers and the versions etc. |
| 17:29.50 | themill | dakov: don't worry about it until it's a problem... but if you see a new ethX on every reboot (eth1 today, eth2 tomorrow etc) then you need to change that z25 file. |
| 17:30.14 | themill | dakov: although you won't change it in the way suggested by dpkg. |
| 17:30.26 | stew | ghatak: what kind of information? perhaps using "grep-status" from grep-dctrl would be easier? |
| 17:30.27 | dakov | remove it |
| 17:30.27 | ghatak | I am doing that in perl, however, when i parse the output, i can correctly get package name, package version, but package description is cut out or stripped |
| 17:30.28 | gamag | elmo40: GeForce Go 6150 |
| 17:30.29 | dakov | right? |
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| 17:30.55 | gamag | elmo40: glxgears: error while loading shared libraries: libGL.so.1: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory - What more do I need to install? |
| 17:31.09 | themill | dakov: Ask here if it is a problem. We're better at solving real problems than hypothetical problems. (you'll either put wildcards in the MAC address or match the pciid instead) |
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| 17:31.11 | ghatak | stew: gotta do it in perl, as it will run on lot of boxes, which have sarge+etch |
| 17:31.37 | dakov | i think is not problem |
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| 17:31.52 | stew | ghatak: and you can't install grep-dctrl on those boxes? |
| 17:32.17 | dakov | the problem is sound and video |
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| 17:32.38 | stew | ghatak: you can use "COLUMNS=200 dpkg -l" or perhaps use "dpkg -s packagename" instead |
| 17:33.00 | dakov | deb |
| 17:33.08 | dakov | sorry |
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| 17:35.26 | dakov | How was the sound drivers? i cannot move irssi to top... |
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| 17:35.29 | elmo40 | so gamag leaves... what gives? |
| 17:35.38 | dakov | sdh-nda-intel? |
| 17:36.03 | themill | [17:23] <themill> dakov: ok, so that's saying exactly what abrotman said ages ago, use the snd-hda-intel driver. But you will need a kernel 2.6.21 or newer. |
| 17:36.21 | dakov | 10x |
| 17:36.37 | ghatak | stew: awsome, dpkg -s should do the trick, |
| 17:37.06 | ghatak | stew: it is possible that this script will run under cron, and probably it wont have environment, dpkg -s would be a better choice |
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| 17:42.23 | sarefo | how do i find out which cpu i have (i mean, *exactly*)? |
| 17:42.35 | chops | sarefo: cat /proc/cpuinfo |
| 17:42.39 | sarefo | thx |
| 17:42.50 | Gm4n | opening up your computer works pretty good too :) |
| 17:43.19 | sarefo | ok, it's an amd64 3000+; which kernel source should i use? amd64 or k7? (running x86 linux) |
| 17:43.26 | sarefo | i mean 32bit |
| 17:43.38 | zinx | i don't think it matters much in debian |
| 17:44.32 | dakov | sarefo: i386 better because many things still hasn't drivers :) |
| 17:45.32 | chops | sarefo: k7 if you have a 32-bit system, amd64 if you have a 64-bit system. That's what I would do, at least. |
| 17:45.37 | sarefo | dakov: i don't use much esoteric hardware atm. |
| 17:45.41 | sarefo | i'll take k7 then. |
| 17:45.42 | sarefo | thx |
| 17:45.50 | ntars | k7 also |
| 17:45.59 | dakov | Is your choice. |
| 17:46.23 | sarefo | wait, if i'm compiling a module, it need to be the same version as the kernel, right? |
| 17:46.53 | sarefo | in which case i'd either have to take -486, or figure out how to change the kernel to k7. |
| 17:47.01 | elmo40 | < dakov> sarefo: i386 better because many things still hasn't drivers :) |
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| 17:48.51 | gamag | when I am installing nvidia geforce drivers, it seems to be trying to locate libGL.so.1 in /usr/lib/dosemu/... why/ |
| 17:48.56 | gamag | why? |
| 17:49.15 | chops | gamag: How are you installing them? |
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| 17:49.30 | gamag | using the nvidia installer ./NVIDIA...9755..pkg.run |
| 17:49.43 | themill | !tell gamug about nvidia installer |
| 17:49.46 | gamag | is it some misconfiguration with ldconfig which I can correct |
| 17:49.50 | chops | gamag: Don't do that. Use the Debian way. What themill said. |
| 17:50.01 | gamag | dpkg didn't send me any message |
| 17:50.02 | sarefo | ok, now. when i have 2.6.22-2-486 kernel, want to build a module, try to install linux headers, but the closest thing is 2.6.22-3-486, will that do? |
| 17:50.05 | gamag | is it nvidia-installer |
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| 17:50.11 | gamag | !tell me about nvidia-installer |
| 17:50.24 | themill | !factinfo nvidia installer |
| 17:50.24 | dpkg | nvidia installer -- last modified at Wed Mar 8 08:02:07 2006 by cheal!n=chealer@pdpc/supporter/student/chealer; it has been requested 249 times, last by themill, 41s ago. |
| 17:50.29 | themill | it's both |
| 17:50.35 | streuner | http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers |
| 17:50.45 | themill | streuner: getting good at that one ;) |
| 17:50.47 | chops | sarefo: No, the 2/3 is the ABI number. Do you need to upgrade your kernel image to the latest, maybe? |
| 17:51.01 | streuner | themill: me too :-) |
| 17:51.02 | chops | sarefo: ("No" meaning that that won't do, in answer to your question) |
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| 17:51.15 | sarefo | chops: then how do i do that? :) |
| 17:51.36 | chops | sarefo: What distribution are you running? sid? |
| 17:51.40 | streuner | themill: one-liner doesnt help people much, because they have serious issues to get the kernel modules working... |
| 17:51.46 | sarefo | lenny |
| 17:51.57 | chops | sarefo: "aptitude update && aptitude dist-upgrade" most likely |
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| 17:52.09 | streuner | themill: in testing and unstable at least |
| 17:52.13 | themill | streuner: never used it so I can't comment. Doesn't the one-liner do the kernel modules too? |
| 17:52.18 | chops | sarefo: Possibly "aptitude install linux-image-2.6.22-3-486" |
| 17:52.31 | streuner | themill: usually, but everything is broken :-) |
| 17:52.39 | themill | ahh... that'd do it. |
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| 17:53.09 | sarefo | apt-get upgrade gives me 'the following packages have been kept back: linux-image-2.6-486' |
| 17:53.09 | chops | sarefo: Anyway, if your header version matches your image version exactly (including the ABI number), then you can compile modules against your headers (whether 486 or k7 or what-have-you). If it doesn't, you can't. Does that make sense? |
| 17:53.22 | chops | sarefo: How about 'aptitude dist-upgrade'? |
| 17:53.28 | sarefo | chops: yep :) |
| 17:53.33 | sarefo | ah, forgot the dist |
| 17:54.23 | dakov | 2h to dist-upgrade |
| 17:54.25 | dakov | omg |
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| 17:55.06 | sarefo | well, i upgraded to lenny last week, so i guess it'll be less for me |
| 17:55.20 | dakov | what's lennY? |
| 17:55.41 | stew | dakov: /msg dpkg lenny |
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| 17:56.19 | dakov | :) |
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| 18:08.10 | _Ergo_ | hello |
| 18:08.41 | _Ergo_ | i just did a netinstall of debian |
| 18:08.42 | dakov | how can i fix this: http://mix25.allhyper.com/Screenshot.png |
| 18:08.48 | _Ergo_ | im a fairly new user |
| 18:09.13 | _Ergo_ | and trying to do apt-get install mc the apt looks for cdrom instead network |
| 18:09.57 | themill | _Ergo_: edit /etc/apt/source.list and comment out the cdrom entries. Then aptitude update && aptitude install mc |
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| 18:11.46 | _Ergo_ | themill : thanks |
| 18:11.54 | themill | np |
| 18:12.29 | _Ergo_ | is there any script that allows network configuration ? |
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| 18:13.18 | DustyDingo | _Ergo_: ifupdown? |
| 18:13.40 | themill | _Ergo_: either edit /etc/network/interfaces or use something like NetworkManager |
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| 18:14.46 | chops | _Ergo_: Editing /etc/network/interfaces is by far the most reliable and straightforward way |
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| 18:15.02 | gamag | is there no aptitude equivalent for apt-get -t option (-t for target release) ? |
| 18:15.10 | DustyDingo | _Ergo_: the ifupdown script and interfaces file are a very powerfull, flexible and easy to use,.. personally i would prefer it over networkmanage |
| 18:15.22 | gamag | I have added lenny and sid in my sources.list and I need to download one package from sid using aptitude |
| 18:15.37 | _Ergo_ | thank i played a bit with centos and im rather new to nix systems |
| 18:15.38 | gamag | I don't know how to do without the -t target release option that was available in apt-get |
| 18:15.42 | chops | gamag: If you have sid in sources.list, then just 'aptitude install foo' will work. Then you should take it out again. |
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| 18:15.55 | chops | gamag: (Assuming you don't want to switch to sid on your next dist-upgrade that is) |
| 18:16.08 | gamag | gamag: how would it know whether the package has to be installed from lenny or sid? |
| 18:16.12 | gamag | chops: ^^ |
| 18:16.19 | chops | gamag: It always picks the most recent available version |
| 18:16.42 | gamag | chops: what would go wrong if I want to switch to sid on next dist-upgrade? |
| 18:16.55 | gamag | chops: ignore above message. i have understood what you mean |
| 18:16.59 | chops | gamag: Going the other way -- having lenny and sid and asking it to install the lenny version -- is what's hard. IIRC you can get it by saying 'aptitude install foo/lenny', but I'm not sure. |
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| 18:18.26 | testergg1 | Hi all, I have a etch system that I updated and now when I boot of the grub menu it starts me through an installation. I booted with a system rescue cd and boot with "rescuehd root=/dev/hda1" and all is fine, |
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| 18:19.53 | testergg1 | any ideas on how to fix my poor grub, I tried grub-install /dev/hda1 but to no avail or change |
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| 18:20.44 | epsilon | shoudln't it be /dev/hda? |
| 18:20.50 | chops | testergg1: "grub-install /dev/hda1" is almost never what you want; use "grub-install /dev/hda" |
| 18:21.05 | testergg1 | chops: I will try that at once |
| 18:21.09 | abrotman | now! |
| 18:21.11 | gamag | grub-install /dev/hda1 might destroy the file system of hda1 partition |
| 18:21.28 | chops | testergg1: Silly question -- you have removed the installation CD, right? |
| 18:21.35 | testergg1 | gamag: then I won't try that |
| 18:21.40 | testergg1 | chops: yes I have |
| 18:21.59 | testergg1 | chops: in fact that machine didn't even have a cd installed |
| 18:22.17 | sarefo | ok, i installed fglrx, and put the line 'Load "fglrx"' into xorg.conf. same thing: black dual head with mouse cursor. :( |
| 18:22.21 | testergg1 | is it safe to do grub-install /dev/hda ? or will it damage the filesystem? |
| 18:22.48 | jelly-home | gamag: even if it works, it won't destroy ext[23]fs |
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| 18:23.25 | Niklas- | Hey. With software raid, will i be able to turn a running installation disk into raid-0? |
| 18:23.26 | abrotman | testergg1: yes .. it should be |
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| 18:24.36 | testergg1 | nope it starts the installer again!! |
| 18:24.45 | testergg1 | after running grub-install /dev/hda |
| 18:25.05 | jelly-home | Niklas-: the disk/partition you boot from? Why do you want to use raid0 for it? |
| 18:25.38 | testergg1 | should I try and install lilo instead? |
| 18:26.29 | Niklas- | jelly-home: it's a machine used for temporary storage, so i just want performance and nothing else ;) |
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| 18:27.17 | jelly-home | Niklas-: so use raid0 for storage, but keep the system at least normal. |
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| 18:27.19 | DennisG | hey |
| 18:27.25 | DennisG | how can i enable an apache module |
| 18:27.32 | DennisG | i've installed apache2 with apt-get |
| 18:27.35 | gamag | jelly-home: why not? it will write something in the first 512 bytes isn't it? |
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| 18:27.37 | Maulkin | a2enmod |
| 18:27.41 | o2T | hi |
| 18:27.47 | DennisG | Maulkin, thanks, forgotten the command |
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| 18:28.11 | jelly-home | gamag: it is. ext2 and ext3 don't have anything in first 8 sectors. |
| 18:28.24 | jelly-home | s/it is/it will/ |
| 18:28.32 | Niklas- | jelly-home: i dont care about the system, it takes 5 minutes to reinstall over network and then it's running again with configurations etc.. they are just temp storage machines, i need perforance and nothing else. And i'm not gonna waste an extra harddisk just for the os |
| 18:29.46 | testergg1 | anynoe? is there a simple way to switch from grub to lilo? |
| 18:29.51 | jelly-home | Niklas-: gotcha |
| 18:30.08 | Maulkin | testergg1: apt-get install lilo |
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| 18:30.17 | jelly-home | testergg1: how do you know it's grub's fault, and not some userspace issue? |
| 18:30.18 | bulio | how do I mount a CD in debian? |
| 18:30.26 | Maulkin | run 'mount' |
| 18:30.27 | bulio | the host drive is in /dev/cdrom |
| 18:30.49 | elmo40 | bulio: mount /dev/cdrom /location |
| 18:31.00 | elmo40 | you ahve to make the directory first. |
| 18:31.09 | elmo40 | cant /mnt/cdrom if cdrom is not there |
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| 18:32.07 | testergg1 | Maulkin: thanks |
| 18:32.24 | o2T | is there a cups/cupsys channel? |
| 18:32.25 | bulio | elmo40, I need to specify filesystem type |
| 18:32.26 | _Ergo_ | im looking for simple way to install webmin |
| 18:32.31 | _Ergo_ | its removed from repos ? |
| 18:32.38 | testergg1 | jelly-home: I don't know but when I boot from the rescue cd "rescuehd root=/dev/hda1" the system boots and works fine |
| 18:32.39 | elmo40 | bulio: not usually. |
| 18:32.54 | o2T | I can't get my epson d92 print anything |
| 18:32.58 | bulio | mount: you must specify the filesystem type |
| 18:33.00 | abrotman | testergg1: you're specifying your root partition |
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| 18:33.31 | elmo40 | bulio: only if the cd is not detectable. Did you burn it correctly? Debian will know what to automount it as |
| 18:33.35 | testergg1 | abrotman: yes but it's also specified in the grub menu.lst |
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| 18:33.58 | bulio | got it |
| 18:34.09 | bulio | its a VM thats why |
| 18:34.13 | bulio | installing vbox tools |
| 18:34.14 | elmo40 | testergg1: did you set your root(hd0,0) ? |
| 18:34.24 | jelly-home | testergg1: go to grub. press e to enter the boot menu editor, write the line starting with "kernel ..." here. |
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| 18:35.13 | testergg1 | it says root (hd0,0) \n kernel /boot/vmlinuz root=/dev/hda1 ro \n initrd /boot/initrd \n savedefault |
| 18:35.39 | jelly-home | hmph. looks all right |
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| 18:36.16 | jelly-home | assuming those are four lines ;-) |
| 18:36.17 | HardDisk_WP | does anyone know a editor for manpages? |
| 18:36.38 | HardDisk_WP | i dont really understand the syntax of 'em |
| 18:36.46 | testergg1 | I don't know what it is doing different then when it is booting using my rescue cd, I am also specifying root=/dev/hda1 and it boots the system fine |
| 18:36.48 | HardDisk_WP | so i need some editor which helps me^^ |
| 18:36.59 | abrotman | HardDisk_WP: there are various ways to convert things like html or text to man page format |
| 18:37.12 | HardDisk_WP | but not back AFAIR |
| 18:37.13 | jelly-home | testergg1: it uses a different kernel and initrd image |
| 18:37.16 | elmo40 | jelly-home: \n == newline ;) |
| 18:37.43 | abrotman | HardDisk_WP: from man to html ? |
| 18:37.45 | jelly-home | testergg1: which release of debian? |
| 18:38.06 | abrotman | !find bin/man2html etch |
| 18:38.14 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'bin/man2html' (1): (/usr/bin/man2html) in doc/man2html. |
| 18:38.15 | testergg1 | jelly-home: so my kernel and initrd image could be corrupt |
| 18:38.17 | abrotman | that was hard! |
| 18:38.32 | elmo40 | testergg1: remake the initrd |
| 18:38.50 | jelly-home | testergg1: can you pastebin output of COLUMNS=200 dpkg -l libc6 linux-image-\* grub ? |
| 18:39.13 | testergg1 | elmo40: don't know how |
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| 18:39.26 | jelly-home | testergg1: also, ls -ld /boot/{vmlinuz,initrd}* |
| 18:40.20 | _Ergo_ | should i add some more repositories after initian debian install ? |
| 18:40.24 | bulio | how do I install kernel-headers for my kernel version? apt-get install linux-kernel-headers seems to install -7, whereas my kernel says I'm -5 |
| 18:40.42 | abrotman | bulio: which version of debian? |
| 18:40.43 | HardDisk_WP | abrotman, no, from html back...and i mistyped, i meant Makefiles, sorry |
| 18:40.44 | chops | bulio: Are you fully upgraded? |
| 18:40.52 | abrotman | HardDisk_WP: huh ? man to make files? |
| 18:40.56 | HardDisk_WP | noo |
| 18:41.01 | HardDisk_WP | makefile editor^^ |
| 18:41.08 | HardDisk_WP | sorry...mixed up stuff^^ |
| 18:41.09 | abrotman | uhm .. just use a text editor ? |
| 18:41.11 | chops | HardDisk_WP: nano |
| 18:41.12 | HardDisk_WP | yeah |
| 18:41.17 | abrotman | any text editor |
| 18:41.21 | HardDisk_WP | but i need some with a bit of helper functions |
| 18:41.22 | bulio | abrotman, etch |
| 18:41.22 | chops | HardDisk_WP: nano works for man pages, too :-) |
| 18:41.26 | bulio | chops, yes |
| 18:41.27 | abrotman | you can write code .. but not a makefile? |
| 18:41.38 | testergg1 | jelly-home: http://pastebin.com/m5e02fd3a |
| 18:41.40 | abrotman | bulio: you're on -686 ? |
| 18:41.44 | jelly-home | HardDisk_WP: info make ? |
| 18:41.59 | bulio | abrotman, 686 virtual machine |
| 18:42.05 | abrotman | bulio: uname -a |
| 18:42.20 | h3sp4wn | HardDisk_WP: Makefile.in is autoshit |
| 18:42.23 | chops | bulio: Can you say precisely what kernel image you have installed, and what version of the headers it wants to install? |
| 18:42.30 | abrotman | bulio: and then paste the output of `apt-cache policy linux-headers-2.6-686` |
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| 18:42.46 | HardDisk_WP | h3sp4wn, yep...but I can't do anything against wine using it^^ |
| 18:42.54 | jelly-home | testergg1: for some reason you have leftover vmlinuz and initrd from the installer. |
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| 18:43.06 | aindilis | does anyone know where I can find libc6 >= 2.7-1? |
| 18:43.07 | HardDisk_WP | I want to add support for multilanguage Manpages in WINE |
| 18:43.17 | chops | aindilis: sid |
| 18:43.24 | testergg1 | jelly-home: how do I fix it |
| 18:43.28 | jelly-home | testergg1: run update-grub, then boot the 2.6.18-5-686 menu option |
| 18:43.34 | aindilis | chops: thanks |
| 18:43.37 | bulio | abrotman, 2.6.18-5-686 #1 SMP |
| 18:43.39 | Lark1 | has anyone ever setup kolab on debian? |
| 18:43.43 | HardDisk_WP | http://source.winehq.org/source/loader/Makefile.in |
| 18:43.57 | HardDisk_WP | MANPAGES = wine.man |
| 18:43.58 | jelly-home | testergg1: if it boots correctly, you can just remove /boot/{vmlinuz,initrd} |
| 18:43.59 | abrotman | HardDisk_WP: ./configure .. then run make ? |
| 18:44.07 | HardDisk_WP | but how do I now add support for german one? |
| 18:44.07 | chops | HardDisk_WP: emacs has syntax highlighting and indenting and whatnot for makefiles and man pages; I think that's as close the "helper functions" for that sort of thing as you're likely to get. |
| 18:44.15 | HardDisk_WP | abrotman, I am not that stupid, lol |
| 18:44.17 | h3sp4wn | To change Makefile.in you have to run automake again I think |
| 18:44.31 | jelly-home | testergg1: btw, does dpkg -S /boot/vmlinuz /boot/initrd report them as being a part of any package? |
| 18:44.44 | sarefo | hey, i found out the problem has to do with kdm (etch->lenny -> black screen + mouse) |
| 18:45.00 | sarefo | kdm wasn't even installed. any idea why that might be?? |
| 18:45.07 | Lark1 | I am running a kolab2 server, and attempting to connect using outlook2003 w/ toltec connector. I get "Error: command STARTTLS failed". Any insight to what the problem could be is greatly appreciated. |
| 18:45.18 | sarefo | that is, why kdm got uninstalled while upgrading? |
| 18:45.46 | elmo40 | testergg1: use /usr/sbin/mkinitramfs to make another initrd.img |
| 18:46.16 | jelly-home | elmo40: that's not the problem. have you seen the contents of his /boot? |
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| 18:46.39 | elmo40 | not all of it... |
| 18:46.50 | bulio | abrotman, do I download linux-headers-2.6.18-5-vserver? |
| 18:46.57 | [vn] | hi, how do I remove a kernel module PERMANENTLY? |
| 18:47.11 | abrotman | bulio: you can .. if that |
| 18:47.11 | [vn] | would apt-get remove nfsutils remove the nfs module? |
| 18:47.13 | abrotman | 's your kernel |
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| 18:47.18 | jelly-home | elmo40: well that 10MB initrd (not a symlink!) sure is weird |
| 18:47.22 | abrotman | [vn]: what are you really trying to do? |
| 18:47.45 | [vn] | abrotman: solving this problem : http://pastebin.ca/801911 |
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| 18:47.49 | elmo40 | jelly-home: i have a 6.3mb initrd.img |
| 18:47.54 | TrueDD | Hi all |
| 18:47.57 | chops | [vn]: With rare exceptions, kernel modules are packaged with the kernel image. Removing nfsutils will not remove the nfs kernel module. |
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| 18:48.22 | [vn] | k, I guess I can only blacklist the module.. |
| 18:48.25 | chops | [vn]: I notice your kernel is tainted |
| 18:48.29 | stew | [vn]: perhaps you can blacklist the kernel module: /msg dpkg blacklist |
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| 18:48.37 | elmo40 | chops: so to make a more 'streamlined' kernel, one has to recompile it, right? |
| 18:48.44 | chops | [vn]: I would guess that the problem lies with the tainting and not with nfs, though I could be wrong. |
| 18:48.48 | [vn] | chops: yea, dunno what to make on that |
| 18:48.51 | abrotman | but if nfs is crashing your kernel when you're not using nfs .. i'd say something else is busted |
| 18:48.55 | stew | [vn]: if you really want to remove it, you can remove (or rename) the .ko file in /lib/modules/$version/ |
| 18:49.11 | jelly-home | what's wrong with blacklisting? |
| 18:49.12 | [vn] | chops: well, look at the EIP 2 lines under the tainted thingy.. |
| 18:49.17 | chops | [vn]: Do you have any binary drivers installed or anything? |
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| 18:49.39 | [vn] | no, everything comes from the debian install |
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| 18:50.12 | chops | [vn]: Why is your kernel tainted, then? I'd track that down before fooling with nfs modules. YMMV, of course. |
| 18:50.14 | froglet | can anyone recommend a gui file manager which can create hard links? |
| 18:50.19 | [vn] | chops: its the 2nd time I have such a crash...the 1st one happening 36hrs after I install nfs and I run my backup script |
| 18:50.33 | [vn] | idk.. |
| 18:50.50 | simonrvn | uxterm -e ln foo bar |
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| 18:51.03 | froglet | i want drag and drool goodness |
| 18:51.06 | [vn] | ymmv? |
| 18:51.14 | jelly-home | simonrvn: nice managing! |
| 18:51.53 | simonrvn | hehe ;p |
| 18:52.03 | [vn] | chops: k, but I have no idea how to check that out |
| 18:52.05 | petemc | froglet: you go to queens? |
| 18:53.05 | chops | [vn]: Hm, you have the "S" taint flag set. That means "The Linux kernel is running with Symmetric MultiProcessor support (SMP), but the CPUs in the system are not designed or certified for SMP use." |
| 18:53.21 | chops | [vn]: That could be a problem. Are you running with multiple CPUs? |
| 18:53.26 | [vn] | no |
| 18:53.34 | [vn] | I indeed have a SMP kernel.. |
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| 18:54.08 | [vn] | never had a problem with that thingy before...and I'm using default debian kernels on this box since slinky... |
| 18:54.23 | simonrvn | slink |
| 18:54.33 | [vn] | rocompiling it and removing that support would six? |
| 18:54.39 | [vn] | mkay thanks simonrvn :p |
| 18:54.46 | [vn] | dunno why I always add the y |
| 18:55.25 | jelly-home | [vn]: Oops: 0002 [#1] looks a bit suspicious. Is it new hardware? |
| 18:55.37 | [vn] | no, old |
| 18:55.46 | [vn] | ibm netvista with a duron 700 |
| 18:55.54 | chops | [vn]: If blacklisting the nfs module does actually solve your problem, I'd report a bug against the kernel. Oopsing is bad. Also, try running memcheck. |
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| 18:56.12 | [vn] | what's oopsing? |
| 18:56.13 | stew | seeing as practically all debian kernels ship with SMP support now, i doubt that running SMP kernels on a non-SMP CPU is really a problem |
| 18:56.25 | [vn] | k |
| 18:56.38 | jelly-home | [vn]: what if you booted with nosmp |
| 18:57.01 | chops | stew: Does running an SMP kernel on a single-CPU machine really taint the kernel? That seems wrong. |
| 18:57.09 | jelly-home | stew: perhaps running smp on the old duron really is problematic |
| 18:57.23 | chops | [vn]: /proc/cpuinfo reports only a single CPU, right? (i.e. no hyperthreading or anything) |
| 18:57.26 | stew | i'm trying to think of where i might have older hardware running to check |
| 18:57.30 | [vn] | booting? uh...didn't know you could change that with a booting option...do I have to recompile the kernel? |
| 18:58.12 | stew | hah, my router is still on 2.6.16, ewps. there's another thing for me to do |
| 18:58.15 | dakov | bash: /proc/cpuinfo: Permission denied |
| 18:58.20 | dakov | why, i'm doing in like root |
| 18:58.25 | [vn] | just noticed something...the crash occured at 20h yesterday...exactly when my my backup script starts |
| 18:58.44 | Maulkin | dakov: cat /proc/cpuinfo |
| 18:58.46 | stew | abrotman: 256.0.0.1 |
| 18:58.50 | abrotman | heh |
| 18:58.52 | [vn] | model name : AMD Duron(tm) Processor |
| 18:58.52 | [vn] | stepping : 0 |
| 18:58.52 | [vn] | cpu MHz : 701.270 |
| 18:58.52 | [vn] | cache size : 64 KB |
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| 18:58.55 | Maulkin | abrotman: 7 |
| 18:58.55 | [vn] | oops |
| 18:59.03 | abrotman | i guessed 42 |
| 18:59.14 | stew | abrotman: yeah, that the same thing in hex |
| 18:59.16 | jelly-home | [vn]: add " nosmp" to the "# kopt ..." line in /boot/grub/menu.lst, run update-grub, reboot, try running the script again |
| 18:59.26 | [vn] | actually, I have lilo |
| 18:59.30 | dakov | what's "stepping" ? |
| 18:59.34 | sarefo | how do i check if all files in a package are ok in my installation? |
| 18:59.46 | abrotman | debsums |
| 18:59.53 | jelly-home | [vn]: well then add it to kernel params in lilo.conf, rerun lilo, etc ;-) |
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| 19:00.21 | [vn] | duh I have grub too.. |
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| 19:00.40 | testergg1 | when I try and run /usr/sbin/mkinitramfs I get Cannot find /lib/modules/2.6.20.15-fd07 |
| 19:00.46 | sarefo | thx abrotman |
| 19:00.50 | [vn] | I have a grub directory in /boot so I guess it uses grub? |
| 19:00.55 | stew | 'cat /proc/sys/kernel/tainted' says 0 on the older hardware i could find running older kernels. dunno if that is definitive though |
| 19:01.20 | sarefo | but i think i need something that checks if all files are in the correct positions |
| 19:01.22 | [vn] | stew: says 4 for me |
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| 19:02.04 | stew | [vn]: what does "head /dev/hda | strings | egrep -i lilo|grub" might tell you if you are running lilo or grub (assuming hda is your boot device) |
| 19:02.11 | stew | s/what does// |
| 19:02.49 | [vn] | seems to execute something from grub |
| 19:03.43 | [vn] | so, lets do what jelly-home said |
| 19:04.13 | jelly-home | testergg1: well, what happens when you try to boot 2.6.18-5-686 kernel (after you did update-grub)? |
| 19:05.19 | [vn] | I guess I uncomment the kopt line? |
| 19:05.23 | jelly-home | [vn]: NO |
| 19:05.31 | [vn] | uh..ok |
| 19:05.52 | [vn] | wonder wht it has this : # kopt=root=/dev/hda2 ro |
| 19:06.03 | stew | [vn]: its commented so grub itself ignores it, its processed by update-grub, which propagates those options to the acutal kernels below |
| 19:06.08 | [vn] | ok |
| 19:06.30 | elmo40 | is there a way to 'grep' two items at a time? |
| 19:06.33 | jelly-home | [vn]: that's it, just add nosmp somewhere |
| 19:06.42 | [vn] | so..it becomes this : # kopt=root=/dev/hda2 ro smp |
| 19:06.47 | jelly-home | "nosmp" |
| 19:06.49 | stew | elmo40: egrep 'foo|bar' |
| 19:06.52 | [vn] | uhm yea |
| 19:06.57 | elmo40 | nevermnd... just pipe it twice ;) |
| 19:07.08 | testergg1 | jelly-home: oops sorry I missed that, I'm doing it now |
| 19:07.12 | jelly-home | [vn]: then run update-grub, and that will update all the real kernel entries |
| 19:07.16 | elmo40 | stew: thanks, even better way :) |
| 19:07.26 | chops | Silly question -- it's not possible to run a single openvpn daemon on one UDP port and one TCP port simultaneously, is it? |
| 19:07.31 | [vn] | done |
| 19:07.39 | [vn] | now I have to reboot...but the system's actually in use |
| 19:07.41 | stew | elmo40: and egrep is the same as grep -E |
| 19:07.57 | elmo40 | nice |
| 19:08.04 | jelly-home | [vn]: yeah well, schedule a reboot :-) |
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| 19:09.18 | sarefo | so, how do i verify an an installation of a package? i can't find anything in 'man dpkg' |
| 19:09.27 | jelly-home | elmo40: egrepping for 'foo|bar' will match lines having either foo or bar. |
| 19:09.28 | [vn] | jelly-home: yep, I'll do that :p |
| 19:09.30 | chops | sarefo: debsums |
| 19:09.35 | stew | sarefo: what do you mean by verify? perhaps "apt-cahce show debsums" |
| 19:09.46 | [vn] | any way I can run memtest86 automagically from remote? |
| 19:09.49 | testergg1 | jelly-home: after I change the hd(1,0) to hd(0,0) and replace the /dev/md0 with /dev/hda1 it boots |
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| 19:10.02 | testergg1 | how can I make those changes permenant |
| 19:10.12 | h3sp4wn | [vn]: You could with grub probably but how would you quit it |
| 19:10.16 | [vn] | like...reboot, run memtest86 for 6 hours, reboot and come back in linux |
| 19:10.31 | [vn] | yea thats what I wondered :p |
| 19:10.48 | sarefo | stew: check that all files are where they should be |
| 19:11.06 | jelly-home | [vn]: only if your hardware supported some sort of remote console access. |
| 19:11.15 | chops | [vn]: I believe that memtest86 can run over a serial console |
| 19:11.24 | _Ergo_ | anyone here has experience with installing webmin and virtalmin on latest stable debian ? |
| 19:11.27 | stew | sarefo: debsums |
| 19:11.38 | chops | !anyone |
| 19:11.39 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone uses <someprogram>. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use <someprogram>?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls> |
| 19:11.49 | jelly-home | _Ergo_: you won't find much love for webmin around here. :-| |
| 19:11.57 | _Ergo_ | jelly-home : why ? |
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| 19:12.21 | jelly-home | _Ergo_: it has a long history of security issues and terrible design |
| 19:12.25 | _Ergo_ | wanted to install it on vps i was going to get - bad idea ? |
| 19:12.30 | stew | !webmin |
| 19:12.31 | dpkg | webmin is, like, a lame web-based interface for unsafe system administration for Unix. Check it out at http://webmin.com/ Remember, dondelelcaro *hates* webmin. "i'd rather sit on the floor shoving table knives into live electrical outlets than run webmin on an exposed server." See http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2005/12/msg00790.html about the removal. Don't use their .debs, they are of extremely poor quality. |
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| 19:13.33 | _Ergo_ | soo... can you reccomend me other panel ? |
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| 19:14.38 | stew | _Ergo_: what kinds of things do you need to control? |
| 19:15.04 | _Ergo_ | i need to be able to create accounts for websites |
| 19:15.10 | _Ergo_ | postgresql, mysql etc. |
| 19:15.22 | _Ergo_ | more or less cpanel stuff |
| 19:15.28 | pickcoder | ypbind won't bind to itself on the master. can anyone help me sort this out? |
| 19:15.34 | _Ergo_ | i thought about vhcs but it appears dead |
| 19:15.59 | sarefo | the thing about debsums is, when i do 'debsums kdelibs', it checks only three files, in /usr/share/bug and /usr/share/doc |
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| 19:16.33 | jelly-home | sarefo: maybe because there are only 3 files in that package? |
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| 19:17.06 | vin` | !greetings |
| 19:17.07 | dpkg | hello, vin` |
| 19:17.12 | ompaul | abrotman, you about? |
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| 19:17.38 | chops | sarefo: That's a metapackage. You can use apt-rdepends to list out all the packages that it directly or indirectly depends on, and then run debsums on all of those. |
| 19:17.57 | sunway | how to get a gcc-3.2.3 deb package? |
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| 19:18.01 | abrotman | ompaul: hi |
| 19:18.10 | ompaul | abrotman, pm incoming ;-) |
| 19:18.14 | _Ergo_ | stew : any hints on free panels ? |
| 19:18.15 | abrotman | duck! |
| 19:18.16 | chops | sunway: Ouch. snapshot.debian.org? |
| 19:18.17 | abrotman | and cover! |
| 19:18.24 | sarefo | chops: arghh, there must be ... hundreds of them! (young carl sagan in gary larson comic ;) |
| 19:18.34 | jelly-home | \_o< |
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| 19:18.45 | chops | sarefo: Good old shell script... |
| 19:18.47 | webczat | is any text based direct connect available in debian repository? |
| 19:18.57 | abrotman | dirrect connect? |
| 19:19.04 | webczat | direct connect client |
| 19:19.07 | jelly-home | abrotman: a p2p network |
| 19:19.11 | abrotman | oh |
| 19:19.17 | abrotman | used to be gnut for gnutella |
| 19:19.18 | chops | webczat: apt-cache search 'direct connect' |
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| 19:19.47 | vin` | !gift |
| 19:19.47 | dpkg | rumour has it, gift is a modular peer-to-peer file sharing daemon, with plugins for OpenFT and Gnutella, and others unofficially (including FastTrack). Now in sid! ubersimple! See also gift.sourceforge.net and channels #gift and #gift-fasttrack. |
| 19:20.36 | vin` | !factinfo gift |
| 19:20.36 | dpkg | gift -- last modified at Sat Aug 2 16:22:18 2003 by greycat!rfc1413@wooledge.org; it has been requested 100 times, last by vin`, 49s ago. |
| 19:20.44 | vin` | 100! |
| 19:21.05 | Raider_ | webczat, use bittorrent |
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| 19:21.20 | jelly-home | now in sid where now ~ 2003, means now in stable |
| 19:21.24 | sunway | chops: any other site? i cannot visit snapshot.debian.org |
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| 19:21.37 | jelly-home | dpkg, gift =~ s/Now in sid! // |
| 19:21.38 | dpkg | jelly-home: OK |
| 19:21.41 | chops | sunway: Whoops. snapshot.debian.net |
| 19:21.57 | webczat | Raider_: no, this program must be console-based, no gui. |
| 19:22.08 | _Ergo_ | jelly-home : if you say webmin is not a good option, maybe you can reccomend me some other panel that would do the job ? |
| 19:22.09 | stew | _Ergo_: vhcs2 is the only one i know of that was written with debian in mind. though i dont' know if it handles mysql or postgres. in general, i'd just recommend writing a script that does what you need to do instead of exposing such critical stuff via the web |
| 19:22.22 | jelly-home | webczat: what chops said should give a few pointers. |
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| 19:22.35 | sarefo | chops: what's the name? apt-rdepends or apt-depends does not compute. |
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| 19:22.48 | chops | sarefo: aptitude install apt-rdepends |
| 19:22.49 | Raider_ | webczat, bittorrent IS console-based |
| 19:23.08 | stew | nedankinde |
| 19:23.09 | abrotman | stew: reports of gul doing onjoin |
| 19:23.11 | webczat | ok,ok ;) |
| 19:23.19 | jelly-home | rtorrent has an acceptable featureset |
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| 19:23.30 | _Ergo_ | stew: : im too lame to administrate system with console... and i dont want to pay for cpanel |
| 19:23.31 | sarefo | ah, i'm tired. i tried 'apt-get apt-rd<tab>', and forgot the 'install'. thx |
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| 19:23.44 | Methice | !wiki k8m890 |
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| 19:24.06 | stew | abrotman: thanks. RichiH ^^ |
| 19:24.35 | webczat | i must have dc client, i have hub, i must administrate this. |
| 19:24.39 | Methice | hi anyone know the chip k8m890 or openchrome drivers .? |
| 19:24.46 | _Ergo_ | http://www.isp-control.net/ - seems they picked vhcs wgen it was abandoned but they claim they are not stable |
| 19:24.47 | jelly-home | _Ergo_: eventually you'll have to either pay for support or for a competent admin or a developer to create you a customized solution. No easy answer. |
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| 19:25.06 | vin` | or just do it. |
| 19:25.07 | sarefo | chops: great, gives me 806 dependencies :) |
| 19:25.20 | chops | sarefo: Sure you're not grabbing reverse dependencies? |
| 19:25.22 | _Ergo_ | i will have machine managed by a competatnt admin, but i dont want to bother him for every thing i need |
| 19:25.32 | abrotman | !unichrome |
| 19:25.33 | dpkg | i heard unichrome is the graphics core found on many recent VIA chipsets. Namely, VIA CLE266, KM400/KN400, K8M800/K8N800, PM800/PM880/CN400. See http://unichrome.sf.net/ or bother libv. see <xorg sarge>. Use the 'via' driver in xorg |
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| 19:25.34 | jelly-home | webczat: have you tried running [20:19] <chops> webczat: apt-cache search 'direct connect' yet and trying some of the things listed? |
| 19:25.42 | chops | sarefo: 806 sounds... like a lot :-). |
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| 19:26.04 | chops | jelly-home: Of course not. It's more fun to sit in a channel and complain. :-) |
| 19:26.10 | Methice | dpkg thk i will see it now ;) |
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| 19:26.21 | jelly-home | chops: fuck that, I say! :-) |
| 19:26.26 | webczat | i want to have ncurses dc client. |
| 19:26.30 | _Ergo_ | is there an api to perform some operations on system ? he mention soap but i didnt get it right... |
| 19:26.35 | jelly-home | I want to buy some cheese! |
| 19:26.36 | webczat | only rccp is in repo. |
| 19:26.50 | _Ergo_ | i can code in php some nice things, but i suck completly with penguins |
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| 19:27.13 | sarefo | chops: but it's ok, only about 1-10 are relevant ;) |
| 19:27.18 | jelly-home | !info dctc etch |
| 19:27.21 | dpkg | dctc: (Direct Connect Text Client), section net, is optional. Version: 0.85.9-4 (etch), Packaged size: 281 kB, Installed size: 696 kB |
| 19:27.48 | Nyle | !dc |
| 19:27.48 | dpkg | rumour has it, dc is how I spell cd, or direct current, or bc's backend, or 2b2b2b617468300d |
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| 19:28.07 | webczat | hmm: this is dc client, but is usually used by other programs, not by humans. |
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| 19:29.11 | webczat | output of dctc isn't human readable. |
| 19:29.12 | sunway | ... deb packages before 2005 has been removed from snapshot.debian.net .. |
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| 19:29.19 | HardDisk_WP | hm |
| 19:29.24 | HardDisk_WP | install refuses to create a file in a nonexistent directory |
| 19:29.28 | chops | webczat: I'm not sure what you expect to happen if you keep bringing up that you'd like for this to be in Debian -- we pointed you to the available options. What do you want, for someone to code up and ITP a new one while you wait? :-P |
| 19:29.48 | HardDisk_WP | how do I tell it to create the directory if it doesn't exist and to not create it when it exists? |
| 19:29.51 | webczat | hmm |
| 19:30.26 | DjRoTa | <PROTECTED> |
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| 19:30.50 | stew | HardDisk_WP: man install |
| 19:31.00 | HardDisk_WP | i know, -d |
| 19:31.17 | HardDisk_WP | but then I have two calls of install, which i want to avoid |
| 19:31.37 | stew | HardDisk_WP: -D |
| 19:31.46 | HardDisk_WP | ah |
| 19:31.47 | HardDisk_WP | thanks |
| 19:31.52 | webczat | but, are any dc clients not in repo? nanodc is strange, ldcc cannot compile, are any other dc clients available? |
| 19:32.15 | vin` | webczat: have you searched the repos? |
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| 19:32.20 | webczat | yes |
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| 19:32.26 | chops | webczat: Aside from dctc and rccp which have already been pointed out to you, you mean? |
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| 19:33.19 | webczat | dctc isn't dc client usable by humans, rccp isn't ncurses-based. ;)))) |
| 19:34.00 | webczat | it's bad ;D |
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| 19:37.16 | dakov | Did is *theme extension files for my theme? |
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| 19:37.30 | darkmaniac | http://fapadores.com ! http://fapadores.com ! http://fapadores.com ! http://fapadores.com ! http://fapadores.com ! http://fapadores.com ! http://fapadores.com ! http://fapadores.com ! |
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| 19:37.48 | stew | it must be spam o'clock |
| 19:38.27 | jelly-home | time for my favourite luncheon meat! |
| 19:38.39 | webczat | yes,two spammers has been banned ;) |
| 19:38.50 | webczat | or more spammers |
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| 19:39.35 | jelly-home | could be the botnet people have processed and activated a few new accounts |
| 19:40.19 | jelly-home | running the butnet business is hard work, no automatic provisioning |
| 19:40.42 | stew | pain in the butnet |
| 19:40.47 | Gm4n | hehe |
| 19:41.06 | Gm4n | buttnet sounds like pimps/hos |
| 19:41.38 | jelly-home | what a difference, a typo makes |
| 19:42.26 | Gm4n | so what would you rather be running, a botnet or a butnet? |
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| 19:44.52 | Fjordside | a good way of sharing photos music and video from my linux server to say ps3 or pc, for example a upnp based app? |
| 19:44.52 | Gm4n | webserver? samba? |
| 19:44.52 | simonrvn | woot \o/ stew |
| 19:45.13 | jelly-home | do usb-based Creative Labs sound cards for on Linux? |
| 19:45.13 | jelly-home | s/work/for/ |
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| 19:45.52 | dakov | some tuts for installing/removing themes? |
| 19:46.06 | karsten | Fjordside: apachche. |
| 19:46.18 | Ronin | tuts? dakov read the readme in your theme |
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| 19:46.50 | dakov | tutorials |
| 19:46.50 | karsten | Fjordside: ... which is to say, a webserver. Look up CMS and possibly multimedia streaming sources. /msg dpkg search, or google it. |
| 19:46.50 | dakov | like wiki |
| 19:46.50 | dakov | Ronin: |
| 19:46.51 | dakov | Ronin: like wikipedia :) |
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| 19:47.19 | Gm4n | yay netsplit :P |
| 19:47.39 | xjkx | whats that command, errm, that you see all the files of that package ? like i do dpkg -something jdk |grep bin and it would tell me the /bin/blabla |
| 19:47.54 | abrotman | dpkg -L |
| 19:47.56 | vin` | xjkx: dpkg -L |
| 19:48.10 | xjkx | is it case sensitive ? |
| 19:48.12 | Maenad | i have a little bit of an offtopic question, but its slightly relatd to debian: okay, when setting up a square grid with square nodes for use with a pathfinding algo (A*), should each tile or node be linked to the 8 around it? i dont understand how to set this up, exactly |
| 19:48.26 | vin` | xjkx: yes, read the manpage. |
| 19:48.27 | xjkx | i mean dpkg -L JDK or dpkg -L jdk would return the same ? |
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| 19:48.52 | xjkx | vin`, i wish, but i am not in debian now :s |
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| 19:49.34 | simonrvn | wikipedia isn't tutorials... |
| 19:49.39 | croddy | is there a VNC client in debian that is capable of shrinking the image of the remote desktop? |
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| 19:49.50 | croddy | (or do i really have to use tightVNC on windows for that?) |
| 19:49.53 | Gm4n | Maenad: why not link each node to the surrounding nodes it can connect to? |
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| 19:50.17 | vin` | xjkx: package name is not case sensitive |
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| 19:50.19 | Maenad | Gm4n: sounds like a good idea, i think ill do just that =) |
| 19:50.24 | Maenad | Gm4n: you have any experience with this? |
| 19:50.39 | Gm4n | well, I wrote a maze-solver in various ways a couple years back |
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| 19:51.50 | Fjordside | karsten, I was more thinking in the likes of gmediaserver |
| 19:51.52 | Ace2016 | anyone know about keyboard and numlock locking on laptops so that laptops with a separate numberpad end up with numbers typed instead of letters when numlock is on??? |
| 19:51.59 | Ace2016 | this problem is really annoying me |
| 19:52.02 | jelly-home | croddy: hm, xrfbviewer has -scale but I think it only does vnc 3.0 protocol |
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| 19:52.15 | croddy | jelly-home: thank you, i will give it a try |
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| 19:53.36 | jelly-home | croddy: hmph, seems to have been removed from debian. Lemme take a look |
| 19:54.15 | croddy | yeah, that's okay, i actually don't mind compiling it by hand. i am just sick of scrolling around every time i want to read a paragraph |
| 19:55.28 | [vn] | croddy: pipe the command with more/less? |
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| 19:55.45 | simonrvn | vnc? o_O |
| 19:55.49 | croddy | vn, it's an x server, not a text stream :-) |
| 19:55.54 | [vn] | uhm ok |
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| 19:58.15 | jelly-home | croddy: it was in the "rfb" package. heXoNet RFB Software: [...] http://www.hexonet.de/software/rfb |
| 19:58.24 | croddy | awesome |
| 19:58.25 | croddy | thanks |
| 19:58.43 | jelly-home | I bet the upstream's dead or something |
| 19:59.23 | johndoe | how can i 'downgrade' my gcc version from 4.2 to 4.1 since kernel is compiled with 4.1 ? |
| 19:59.36 | dakov | as |
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| 20:02.12 | [vn] | stew / jelly-home: how will I know tonight after the reboot if the kernel is still tainted? |
| 20:02.15 | stew | johndoe: you don't have to downgrade, just aptitude install gcc-4.1, then "export CC=/usr/bin/gcc-4.1" in the shell before you compile addon modules |
| 20:02.38 | stew | [vn]: cat /proc/sys/kernel/tainted |
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| 20:03.12 | johndoe | stew: thanks, by the way what is the difference between aptitude and apt-get? |
| 20:03.16 | [vn] | stew: supposed to be at 0? |
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| 20:04.01 | stew | johndoe: /msg dpkg why aptitude |
| 20:04.13 | stew | [vn]: 0 means not tainted afaik |
| 20:04.20 | [vn] | k and 4? |
| 20:04.52 | stew | [vn]: i don't know specifically. I thought it was determined that you had S |
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| 20:05.10 | [vn] | naw, I have 4 |
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| 20:05.28 | jelly-home | [vn]: who cares about tainted, if it works when you run the backup script, it works :-) |
| 20:05.50 | [vn] | jelly-home: well it took 25 days between the crashes... |
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| 20:06.51 | jelly-home | [vn]: see you in a month (or not ;-) |
| 20:07.23 | [vn] | ;) |
| 20:08.16 | croddy | looks like krdc is the way to go |
| 20:09.06 | gcb | is there a way to get newest version of a pkg if i'm running on a different arch? |
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| 20:09.28 | gcb | have 386, and needs to update a i64 that is remote, sans internet |
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| 20:10.29 | stew | gcb: find the package on http://packages.debian.org/packagename ; download it with wget ? |
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| 20:11.34 | aeshyamae | hi i havent installed flash player in ma laptop as its propreitary is there any way i could download the video in a site which is given through flash player? |
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| 20:13.19 | chops | aeshyamae: View the source, search for "embed", and use wget to download that URL? |
| 20:13.45 | \amethyst | aeshyamae: there is a Firefox extension called VideoDownloader that should let you do that |
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| 20:13.56 | wols_ | gcb will have a problem soon... i386->ia64 cannot work |
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| 20:14.16 | \amethyst | aeshyamae: assuming you have some way of playing FLVs |
| 20:14.31 | aeshyamae | ya..ffplay plays that.. |
| 20:14.37 | aeshyamae | ok ill try that.. |
| 20:14.38 | chops | wols_: He's downloading an ia64 deb from an i386 machine for installation on an ia64 machine, not on an i386 machine |
| 20:14.55 | ViRUS | What's the difference between the kenrnels xen-amd64, xen-vserver-amd64 and vserver-amd64. I'm confused - the package description doesn't say anything about the purpose of the kernel images. |
| 20:15.07 | wols_ | chops: k |
| 20:15.20 | stew | ViRUS: do you plan on using xen or vserver? |
| 20:15.59 | ViRUS | I was planning upon using xen - to be true I've never heard of vserver |
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| 20:16.21 | stew | ViRUS: then get the xen-amd64 image. (/msg dpkg vserver) |
| 20:17.08 | h3sp4wn | Speaking of xen is there a backport to etch of the latest version anywhere ? |
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| 20:17.54 | johndoe | where do i change the cc environment variable? |
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| 20:18.00 | _dwu_ | how do i change the color output of ls --color? |
| 20:18.13 | _dwu_ | it seems to be terminal specific, do i HAVE to hack the source? |
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| 20:18.25 | ViRUS | on a machine with full control over the hardware vserver seams to be a better choice... to be true I've never heard of it so far. |
| 20:18.35 | ViRUS | err... s/hardware/software/ I mean. |
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| 20:20.05 | ViRUS | I'm the only one using the machine and I basicly want to separate some services from each other with separate IPs. The thing I don't like about XEN is the division of the memory. The ballooning can be changed during runtime, but esp. shrinking a balloon is said to be unstable. |
| 20:20.06 | wezza | does someone have an idea how i can fix my booting issue? For booting to continue i have to press a key for each step in the process (only with kernel 2.6.22, not with 2.6.18...) |
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| 20:20.09 | _Ergo_ | stew: back to panel things, did vhcs panel perform well on debian ? http://www.isp-control.net - seems to be its evolution and maybe i could use that ? |
| 20:20.13 | Tramp | _dwu_: man dircolors |
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| 20:21.53 | xjkx | whats the package that brings the source of cd, ls, mkdir and so on ? |
| 20:22.07 | wols_ | !tell xjkx about search |
| 20:22.41 | xjkx | search ls would be funny |
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| 20:23.12 | wols_ | xjkx: not it's not funny. it's very easy with dpkg -S. man dpkg |
| 20:23.46 | xjkx | not in debian now :s |
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| 20:24.43 | alexbod1 | hi all |
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| 20:25.11 | wols_ | xjkx: packages.debian.org will work just fine |
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| 20:25.23 | dakov | HOw i can make to run 5.1 sound system on my debian |
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| 20:25.34 | wols_ | dakov: by installing the drivers for it? |
| 20:25.50 | alexbod1 | i'm trying to repackage mc and i get patch: **** malformed patch at line ... any help? |
| 20:25.58 | dakov | wols_: Which are? |
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| 20:26.01 | ViRUS | How does vserver compare to xen? |
| 20:26.08 | Hobart | Google fails me. Has anyone written up a guide on how to recover a Debian box whose Perl is broken? |
| 20:26.17 | Hobart | (dpkg keeps exploding because it wants perl) |
| 20:26.35 | HardDisk_WP | Hobart, does a FTP/SSH access work? |
| 20:26.36 | stew | _Ergo_: ispcp and vhcs2 both came from vhcs. i've never used any of them, i've toyed with vhcs2 for a short while |
| 20:26.42 | HardDisk_WP | or can you upload files? |
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| 20:26.59 | stew | xjkx: coreutils |
| 20:27.11 | Hobart | HardDisk_WP -> yes |
| 20:27.17 | Hobart | HardDisk_WP -> and yes |
| 20:27.21 | jelly-home | !tell Hobart -about ask |
| 20:27.35 | wols_ | dakov: depends on your soundcard |
| 20:27.37 | jelly-home | Hobart: please give complete command line and output that is fialing |
| 20:27.38 | stew | Hobart: you could try extracting the perl pacakge directly to / |
| 20:27.40 | _Ergo_ | stew : and ? what do you think about them ? im sorry i bother you but i cant judgethe systems by myself |
| 20:27.40 | alexbod1 | Hobart: dl perl, unpack the package, and try to copy all files to their relative location |
| 20:27.42 | epsilon | Hobart: unpack the perl package manually and install (copy)? |
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| 20:27.55 | HardDisk_WP | five people. same suggest |
| 20:28.03 | Hobart | alexbod1 / epsilon / stew / HardDisk_WP -> will try, thanks. |
| 20:28.08 | epsilon | hehe |
| 20:28.10 | alexbod1 | np |
| 20:28.10 | johndoe | how do i change the cc environment variable, i know i asked this before but i forgot and i dont have logs |
| 20:28.21 | epsilon | 5 geeks, one thought |
| 20:28.24 | alexbod1 | any patch specialist around? |
| 20:28.36 | dakov | wols_: http://pastebin.com/m2e6c478 |
| 20:28.49 | epsilon | BTW, how is the today's samba patch? Does it work again or still br0ken? |
| 20:29.05 | stew | Hobart: if you cant use dpkg -x to extract the perl pacakge, you can extract it using ar and tar (a .deb is an ar archive of two .tar.gzs) |
| 20:29.45 | Hobart | stew -> yeah, unpacked one before out of curiosity :) |
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| 20:29.57 | stew | _Ergo_: I don't recommend using them. i haven't spent enough time with vhcs2 to form an opinion yet |
| 20:30.08 | chops | epsilon: etch8 works |
| 20:30.24 | wols_ | dakov: that's crap and almost useless. I won't search for each PCI ID to see what device it is |
| 20:30.27 | stew | Hobart: if you extract it by hand, and get dpkg working, then i'd recommend "aptitude reinstall perl" afterwards so that the perl maintainer scripts actually get a chance to run |
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| 20:30.42 | _Ergo_ | stew: is there any api that can be used for some simple management, changing passwords etc? or would i need to code things by hand ? |
| 20:30.45 | wols_ | dakov: but it's probably a nvidia soundcard? i810 or snd-hda-intel then |
| 20:31.07 | themill | dakov: are you still looking for that nvidia sound card? |
| 20:31.08 | dakov | yes |
| 20:31.09 | stew | _Ergo_: in general, no. which password do you need to change? |
| 20:31.14 | dakov | themill: yes |
| 20:31.25 | dakov | but i have 5.1 sound system, and only are working 2.1 |
| 20:31.34 | _Ergo_ | ie, setting up passwords for emails for users, stuff like that |
| 20:31.35 | Hobart | stew -> willdo. I'd already done a reinstall but the breakage seemed to be coming from other installed perl modules (guh.) Yes, I was stupid and let CPAN try to update all modules. |
| 20:31.57 | themill | dakov: ahh.... no idea about that sort of stuff,.... snd-hda-intel is the correct driver though. |
| 20:32.13 | themill | dakov: #alsa might be better for that level of detail |
| 20:32.23 | Hobart | ;) |
| 20:32.25 | _Ergo_ | stew : i can live without commercial panel, but would like to administrate some things on www level, can code in php some stuff but nix in general is black magic for me |
| 20:32.31 | _dwu_ | Tramp: dircolors does not work |
| 20:32.34 | dakov | w8 |
| 20:33.04 | stew | dakov: # |
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| 20:33.23 | stew | dakov: 00:05.0 0403: 10de:03f0 (rev a2) is your sound card, and it is in fact snd-hda-intel |
| 20:33.24 | jelly-home | Hobart: just don't go and upgrade everything w/ cpan and all should be a-ok |
| 20:33.29 | Tramp | !tell _dwu_ about not work |
| 20:33.56 | _dwu_ | Tramp: its not vague |
| 20:34.04 | _dwu_ | Tramp: it does not work |
| 20:34.06 | dakov | it's has Realtek ALC883(oss mixer) and HDA Nvidia (Alsa Mixer) |
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| 20:34.33 | _dwu_ | Tramp: i.e setting LS_COLORS has no effect on the color being displayed |
| 20:34.34 | vin` | Hobart: next time use dh-make-perl |
| 20:34.35 | chops | _dwu_: Does it not display colors? Does it not display the text at all? Does it display garbage where it should be changing colors? Does it segfault when you enable that option? |
| 20:34.47 | Hobart | jelly-home -> well, yeah, but at least I have some vague (yes I still had to go ask IRC) semblance of how to put humpty dumpty back together, I imagine the wreckage of systems by people who didn't know Don't-Do-That is not small :) |
| 20:34.52 | themill | stew: I asked dakov for the lspci -n to stick into kmuto's pages to check the alsa driver. |
| 20:34.54 | chops | _dwu_: "does not work" is always ambiguous. There are always multiple ways something can fail. |
| 20:35.02 | aeshyamae | chops: simply providing the url didnt helped downloading and \amethyst video downloader dont have this site the site in which the video i want is in http://www.videoduniya.com/index.php?option=com_alphacontent§ion=15&cat=51&task=view&id=2400&Itemid=169 |
| 20:35.17 | Hobart | vin` -> Ooh. Also good to know. |
| 20:35.26 | stew | themill: yeah, i didn't see your confirmation of snd-hda-intel until after i had already done the same... |
| 20:35.28 | aeshyamae | chops: i gave the url next to embed,, in the source.. |
| 20:35.30 | levon | hey im back again i cant get madwifi, i have debian xfce i386 and well no ethernet connection only wireless so its making my life difficult i was wondering does debian have a distribution that comes with madwifi on the cd installer? |
| 20:35.35 | _dwu_ | chops: in this case only one |
| 20:35.52 | dakov | stew: i installed yet :) |
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| 20:36.10 | themill | stew: ;) |
| 20:36.10 | dakov | but my sound system is not work properly |
| 20:36.17 | stew | dakov: what does "uname -r" say? |
| 20:36.27 | h3sp4wn | levon: You could just put the madwifi-source deb on the cd (module-assistant etc should be on the cd cd you already have) |
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| 20:36.35 | dakov | 2.6.22-3-486 |
| 20:36.47 | h3sp4wn | levon: or you could use a grml / kanotix kernel to boot from |
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| 20:37.03 | levon | h2sp4wn but wont i need the kenel modules too? |
| 20:37.09 | themill | dakov: snd-hda-intel is a fast moving target. a later kernel *might* help, but check the alsa website or ask in #alsa |
| 20:37.21 | stew | it would be just too helpful for alsa modules to put the alsa version in modinfo |
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| 20:37.30 | stew | anyone know what version of alsa 2.6.22 includes? |
| 20:37.46 | levon | h3sp4wn be back in a minute |
| 20:37.47 | Hobart | thanks again for the assist all |
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| 20:37.52 | stew | dakov: what version of debian are you running? |
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| 20:37.58 | Tramp | _dwu_: I tell you, it works for me. Describe what you did, step by step, and I may be able to help you. With your "does not work" statement, we are just wasting everybody's time and bandwidth. |
| 20:38.03 | dakov | 4.0 r1 i think |
| 20:38.09 | jelly-home | _dwu_: when you run dircolors, it displays no output? |
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| 20:38.24 | Hirss | Hi |
| 20:38.27 | h3sp4wn | dakov: is /proc/asound/version empty ? |
| 20:38.29 | karsten | Hobart: I'm hardly a Perl expert, but keep in mind that CPAN modules will install under /usr/local, while Debian Perl modules will go under /usr. You should be able to set up your Perl environment to distinguish between the two. |
| 20:38.30 | Hirss | How can I bind an application to a network interface? |
| 20:38.36 | stew | oh right |
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| 20:38.49 | dkr | Hirss: with the bind system call |
| 20:38.52 | dakov | Advanced Linux Sound Architecture Driver Version 1.0.14 (Thu May 31 09:03:25 2007 UTC). |
| 20:39.00 | levon | okay if i download all 5 cds will i have support for madwifi ill just choose to install xfce as my primary gui |
| 20:39.03 | ferronica_ | On Ups Power, I check off Enable Ups Discharge Alarm then I hit close.. when I reopen that same menu the option is not checked.. what's going on? I have restarted the apc service a couple of times.. but it's still unchecked whenever I look at it |
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| 20:39.27 | Hirss | dkr, thank you! |
| 20:39.30 | h3sp4wn | levon: Those 2 distro's include the kernel modules with their kernels |
| 20:39.38 | stew | dakov: you could try to download and install http://http.us.debian.org/debian/pool/main/a/alsa-driver/alsa-source_1.0.15-2_all.deb ; then run "aptitude install module-assistant ; m-a prepare ; m-a a-i alsa" which would get you alsa 1.0.15 |
| 20:39.58 | dkr | Hirss: it's a lot more complicated than that, though. I suspect you are missing something |
| 20:40.05 | dakov | ok |
| 20:40.09 | levon | okay now h3sp4wn i did the madwifi-source.deb it says the dependencies arnt met |
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| 20:40.33 | levon | needs dpkg and some other stuff |
| 20:40.40 | Hirss | dkr, I was looking at the man page, but is a C function |
| 20:40.58 | h3sp4wn | levon: You already have the xfce cd1 ? |
| 20:41.06 | levon | yep |
| 20:41.09 | karsten | levon: Any reason you're not doing a netinst? That's generally faster, better, and less hassle than doing a CD-based install (note that netinst still requires *one* boot CD image about 110MB or so). |
| 20:41.10 | dkr | Hirss: yes, that's what system calls are |
| 20:41.18 | levon | karsten i dont have eth0 |
| 20:41.22 | levon | only ath0 |
| 20:41.28 | levon | wireless its a older laptop |
| 20:41.29 | dkr | Hirss: linux is written in C. :) |
| 20:41.57 | Hirss | dkr, I have two network interfaces conected to the internet, I'd like to restrict some programs to one interface |
| 20:42.13 | Hirss | dkr, :) I knew |
| 20:42.38 | Hirss | dkg, I've thought about a proxy, but not all apps support proxies |
| 20:42.45 | dkr | Hirss: do these apps use specific tcp ports? |
| 20:43.16 | Hirss | dkr, most of them are random |
| 20:43.40 | dkr | are the apps running on the machine with both nics? |
| 20:43.56 | Hirss | dkr, yes |
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| 20:44.30 | levon | be back im going to try to put the xfce cd 1 in then try to install the deb file |
| 20:44.54 | dkr | I think there is aplugin with iptables so yuo can add some rules bsed on the source app. you would use that to mark the packets, then you could make special routing rules to use one or the other nietrface based on the mark. complicated. :) |
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| 20:45.29 | Soeki | hello, can someone here point me on some directions on how to make wvdial to run in the background and not take up the console? |
| 20:46.00 | Hirss | dkg, I've been reading about iptables, it clould take for ever to setup this :( |
| 20:46.01 | wols_ | Soeki: why do you want to use wvdial? |
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| 20:46.12 | elmo40 | can i force-mount an incompletely burnt CD? Just to read the binary that is on there? |
| 20:46.53 | Soeki | wols_ what should i use? |
| 20:46.54 | dkr | Hirss: nod. if the apps connect so specific remote servers it coul dbe a lot easier(you could just make static route rules for the sepcific interface you want used) |
| 20:47.39 | dkr | elmo40: you don't need to mount something to read from it |
| 20:47.48 | wols_ | Soeki: configure your pppd correctly, use pon, poff |
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| 20:48.19 | Hirss | dkr, I wish, but one of the apps is a bittorrent client, and remote conections are (afaik) random |
| 20:49.03 | dkr | Hirss: oh, you should jave said so, then ithere is another easy way. bittorrent properly uses the tcp type of service headers, marking their packets "bulk", you could ruote packets differently based on that field |
| 20:49.05 | wols_ | Soeki: dialup or dsl? |
| 20:49.12 | Soeki | wols_ dial up |
| 20:49.38 | dkr | Hirss: actually, I think there is also a default range of ports it uses, too |
| 20:49.53 | Soeki | i tryed to make wvdial run on rc.local but it takes up the console and i cant access on anoter terminal unless is via lan shh |
| 20:50.07 | Soeki | and since it never exits doesnt return 0. |
| 20:50.27 | Hirss | dkr, ummm, interesting, I remember some filtering rules somewhere in the net for p2p apps, I could have a look at them... |
| 20:50.32 | dkr | Hirss: routing based on the ToS field is still a bit comlpicated though, involving marking with iptables. only routing based on destination ip is easy. :) |
| 20:50.37 | h3sp4wn | dkr: Yeah but there is plenty of people who for various reasons run it on other ports (i.e anyone behind a restrictive firewall - and they have the most bandwidth usually anyway) |
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| 20:52.20 | levon | i think i figured it out its the damn mepis madwifi .deb okay how do i get the .deb file from your site |
| 20:52.22 | dakov | to reload all ALSA sound modules how i can make it |
| 20:52.29 | levon | i have mepis on this computer |
| 20:52.59 | levon | so i want debian .deb not mepis .deb when i try to aptitude download it gets the mepis one. |
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| 20:53.05 | dakov | stew: done |
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| 20:53.16 | chops | levon: #mepisplusdebianinsomeunholyhybrid is that way --> |
| 20:53.24 | chops | levon: This is #debian |
| 20:53.28 | levon | chops im installing debina |
| 20:53.32 | levon | listen to me please |
| 20:53.44 | dakov | Now, Have i need reboot? |
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| 20:53.59 | levon | i have mepis on this shitty computer i have debian on my laptop. i need madwifi and my laptop doesnt have eth0 |
| 20:54.08 | chops | levon: You'll have better luck using the Debian installer than you will mixing mepis and Debian .debs |
| 20:54.39 | levon | so i have to use this computer to get the real debian file so i can burn it to a cd then transfer it to my lap top |
| 20:54.43 | levon | :) |
| 20:54.53 | jelly-home | levon: it really has no ethernet device, or is it just not visible in Debian? |
| 20:55.09 | levon | it really has no eth0 |
| 20:55.13 | levon | no ethernet connection |
| 20:55.17 | chops | levon: Browse http://http.us.debian.org/pool until you find the appropriate .deb, or download it using apt and look in /var/cache/apt/archives |
| 20:55.22 | levon | just wireless card |
| 20:55.31 | levon | aww thank you |
| 20:55.43 | wols_ | !tell levon about madwifi |
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| 20:55.58 | jelly-home | I have a r8139c cardbus I could fax to you :-) |
| 20:56.01 | dakov | and now? |
| 20:56.25 | levon | wols i have atheros driver |
| 20:56.29 | wols_ | dakov: did you run m-a |
| 20:56.35 | levon | its a airlink 101 |
| 20:56.48 | dakov | i run which said me stew |
| 20:56.49 | wols_ | levon: if you have a drier, why do you ask us for help? |
| 20:57.00 | Decepticon | what does it mean when i am told "dd: memory exhausted" when i did "dd if=/dev/random of=/mnt/WD500/test bs=1073741824" |
| 20:57.00 | wols_ | dakov: answer my question please |
| 20:57.03 | levon | no i dont have the driver i have that card sorry |
| 20:57.15 | levon | its the chipset |
| 20:57.16 | dakov | i think so |
| 20:57.30 | levon | so my airlink 101 uses the atheros chip set |
| 20:57.34 | wols_ | Decepticon: /dev/random needs entropy to create random numbers. not enough entropy. use urandom instead |
| 20:57.38 | jelly-home | Decepticon: dd couldn't allocate a whole GB. |
| 20:57.47 | wols_ | levon: and I told you how to get it to work under debian |
| 20:58.01 | Decepticon | i see |
| 20:58.15 | jelly-home | wols_: um... memory exhausted <=> /dev/random? |
| 20:58.15 | mikefoo | Hey guys I am running debian, and im looking to setup a virtualization, should I go with xen? I need a few "virtual private servers" on the system |
| 20:58.18 | Decepticon | urandom also says memory exhausted |
| 20:58.27 | stew | dakov: if you successfully ran m-a a-i alsa, then run "/etc/init.d/alsa reload" to reload the sound modules. then see if anything has improved |
| 20:58.30 | jelly-home | wols_: /dev/random just blocks when there's not enough entropy |
| 20:58.54 | jelly-home | Decepticon: use smaller block size. |
| 20:59.20 | Decepticon | jelly-home that defeats the purpose of trying to create a 1gb file |
| 20:59.26 | dakov | yes , it's said me it |
| 20:59.27 | wols_ | dakov: no |
| 20:59.33 | wols_ | dakov: there is also "count" |
| 20:59.33 | Decepticon | jelly-home what do you mean smaller block size? |
| 20:59.51 | wols_ | Decepticon: count=1023 bs=1M |
| 20:59.56 | stew | Decepticon: use "bs=1M count=1024" instead, which will do 1024 1MiB blocks to get a 1GiB file |
| 20:59.59 | levon | wols okay heres my situation i dont have the madwifi driver so hence i need to download the .deb file for it. second the computer im on now is useing the peice of shit mepis os. Third if i download the .deb file on mepis its a damn mepis.deb 4 so i neeed to get to the debian site hit your guys pool and look for the madwifi-source 5 then i will be able to burn it to a cd and then aptitude it on my laptop 6 i will be all done |
| 21:00.00 | jelly-home | Decepticon: you're not creating a 1GB file with that line. You're trying to read (and write) lots of data in 1GB size chinks |
| 21:00.06 | jelly-home | chunks, even |
| 21:00.18 | wols_ | levon: packages.debian.org |
| 21:00.32 | stew | Decepticon: yes, since you gave no count, your command woud run until the parittion containing /mnt/WD500 was full |
| 21:00.35 | wols_ | levon: you will also need other things like a compiler, etc IIRC |
| 21:00.40 | levon | :) that site works |
| 21:00.40 | Decepticon | o thats not good |
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| 21:00.55 | levon | oh im gettting build essentials |
| 21:01.04 | Decepticon | "dd if=/dev/urandom of=/mnt/WD500/test bs=1073741824 count=1024" returns memory exhausted |
| 21:01.08 | mikefoo | Hey guys I am running debian, and im looking to setup a virtualization, should I go with xen? I need a few "virtual private servers" on the system |
| 21:01.15 | wols_ | levon: also kernel headers, module-assistant, etc |
| 21:01.17 | \amethyst | Decepticon: only read a little bit at a time |
| 21:01.17 | jelly-home | Decepticon: if you just want to allocate a contiguous-ish file, use /dev/zero to read from. |
| 21:01.37 | \amethyst | Decepticon: dd if=/dev/urandom of=/mnt/WD500/test bs=1024 count=1048576 |
| 21:01.39 | jelly-home | Decepticon: you're still using bs= of a whole 1GB. |
| 21:01.41 | stew | Decepticon: that would try to create a 1 TB file in 1GB chunks |
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| 21:01.49 | Decepticon | i want an end result of a 1gb file thats all |
| 21:01.56 | stew | 15:59 < stew> Decepticon: use "bs=1M count=1024" instead, which will do 1024 1MiB blocks to get a 1GiB file |
| 21:01.58 | Decepticon | crap, ive got this all wrong dont i |
| 21:02.01 | wols_ | Decepticon: youz've been told by several people who |
| 21:02.04 | wols_ | *how |
| 21:02.05 | dakov | bash: /etc/init.d/alsa: No such file or directory |
| 21:02.10 | Decepticon | alright |
| 21:02.12 | Decepticon | thanks |
| 21:02.15 | stew | dakov: aptitude isntall alsa-utils |
| 21:02.22 | stew | dakov: aptitude install alsa-utils |
| 21:02.41 | Decepticon | i thought bs was responsible for the size of the file in bytes |
| 21:02.43 | jelly-home | \amethyst: 4096 be optimal for obs= on i386; using a smaller obs will be slower |
| 21:02.51 | dakov | done, but it was installed |
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| 21:03.24 | stew | dakov: then try "modprobe -r snd-hda-intel ; modprobe snd-hda-intel" to reload the driver |
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| 21:05.44 | dakov | FATAL: Module snd_hda_intel is in use. |
| 21:07.21 | Decepticon | what is the M in bs=1M mean |
| 21:07.26 | Decepticon | million? |
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| 21:07.46 | themill | dakov: you need to stop any programs that are using the sound modules such as mixers. You may also need to remove the other sound modules. |
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| 21:08.20 | dakov | how i can know which program is using the module |
| 21:08.34 | dakov | now i'm not using any music plater |
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| 21:08.36 | dakov | player* |
| 21:08.38 | h3sp4wn | mikefoo: There is a few choices - xen , vserver, uml, vmware, virtuoso (depends what you want to do exactly) |
| 21:08.54 | chops | Decepticon: You may have to see 'man dd', but it's either one million or 2^20. |
| 21:09.07 | Decepticon | my manpage is very skinny and vague on that topic |
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| 21:09.36 | grendal_prime | ok i know this is not exactly the place..but figured id ask here cause youall are so damn smart..I got these developers that build on windows, I would like them to be able to work with the webpages on this linux server. if they could use ssh it would be great. But there so frigging stupid that it has to integrate with the windows file browser. |
| 21:09.41 | chops | Decepticon: It's easy to test. The manpage should say. |
| 21:09.46 | cahoot | dakov: fuser -v /dev/snd/* /dev/dsp* |
| 21:09.50 | grendal_prime | is there a way to use ssh in windows filebrowser..anyone?? |
| 21:09.50 | chops | Decepticon: I'll file a wishlist bug if you don't feel like it. |
| 21:10.03 | chops | grendal_prime: There's putty. |
| 21:10.09 | h3sp4wn | grendal_prime: There is winscp - and multiple sftp client |
| 21:10.13 | Decepticon | chops, im just saying 'man dd' doesnt seem very informative to me |
| 21:10.24 | thrashyy | How can I auto run a shell script every time i boot up? |
| 21:10.36 | chops | Decepticon: Sure it is |
| 21:10.45 | chops | Decepticon: Search for 'multiplicative' |
| 21:10.50 | Tramp | Deception: "M 1024*1024" - what exactly confuese you here? |
| 21:10.55 | chops | Decepticon: M is 2^20 |
| 21:11.04 | dakov | say me again the modprobe to reload it, i cant see on the top of irssi :) |
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| 21:11.16 | Tramp | Decepticon: except my spelling of "confuses" that is ... |
| 21:11.35 | themill | grendal_prime: the boss was using a thing called webdrive (i think). Mounts sftp as a windoze drive. |
| 21:12.08 | chops | thrashyy: Add it to /etc/rc.local |
| 21:12.24 | grendal_prime | themill: noshit? |
| 21:12.28 | grendal_prime | that would be great |
| 21:12.49 | thrashyy | thanks chops |
| 21:12.55 | chops | thrashyy: np |
| 21:13.00 | themill | Decepticon: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gibibyte |
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| 21:13.20 | dakov | the same shit |
| 21:13.22 | jelly-home | Decepticon: there's also "info coreutils dd" |
| 21:13.39 | Decepticon | thanks, ill look at that |
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| 21:15.28 | Caemyr | hiya |
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| 21:15.45 | themill | dpkg: greet Caemyr |
| 21:15.45 | dpkg | G'day, Caemyr |
| 21:15.49 | Caemyr | i`m trying to open one port for both incoming and outgoing connections |
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| 21:16.12 | Caemyr | i typed both |
| 21:16.13 | Caemyr | sudo iptables -I INPUT -p tcp --dport 11000 -j ACCEPT |
| 21:16.23 | Caemyr | sudo iptables -I OUTPUT -p tcp --dport 11000 -j ACCEPT |
| 21:16.42 | Caemyr | still the port is shown as closed on nmap |
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| 21:19.11 | Caemyr | any idea what am i doing wrong? |
| 21:19.39 | thrashyy | chops, does rc.local run the scripts as root? |
| 21:19.53 | chops | thrashyy: Yes |
| 21:20.10 | thrashyy | ah ok great thanks |
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| 21:20.56 | pickcoder | Caemyr: don't use I unless you are going to give it a rule number |
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| 21:21.01 | pickcoder | use A to add or D to delete |
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| 21:22.01 | schizophreni_ | hi |
| 21:22.11 | schizophreni_ | can someone prefer me a good remote control programm? |
| 21:22.15 | schizophreni_ | like ultravnc? |
| 21:22.17 | schizophreni_ | for linux |
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| 21:22.31 | abrotman | you can have vnc in linux |
| 21:22.49 | pickcoder | Caemyr: don't rely on nmap unless you have a real service listening there |
| 21:23.08 | Caemyr | i do |
| 21:23.10 | wam | Hi, I have a server with a lot of hdd-space and would like to use it for backuping the other servers. I know hardlinking/rsync and duplicity, both via ssh, which is good. I also know amanda, which I think is a little too complex to setup for my use-case. Are there any other recommended possibilities to just pull some data via ssh to another server for backup? |
| 21:23.14 | Caemyr | bt |
| 21:23.17 | chops | schizophreni_: ssh -X |
| 21:23.23 | Caemyr | if you can call it a listening service |
| 21:23.44 | themill | wam: rsnapshot is excellent |
| 21:23.56 | wam | themill: thanks, I'll have a look |
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| 21:24.08 | Caemyr | pickcoder: sudo iptables -A INPUT -p tcp --dport 11000 -j ACCEPT |
| 21:24.10 | Caemyr | ? |
| 21:24.14 | pickcoder | sure |
| 21:24.19 | themill | wam: it does the hardlink/rsync thing but with scriptable and configurable goodness |
| 21:24.20 | pickcoder | iptables --list |
| 21:24.24 | pickcoder | see if it shows up |
| 21:24.25 | wam | themill: perfect. |
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| 21:24.39 | themill | ;) |
| 21:24.41 | Caemyr | its there |
| 21:24.47 | johndoe | how do i change the cc environment variable from gcc-4.2 to gcc-4.1 ? |
| 21:24.49 | levon | wols i see alot of dependencies for bzip libc6 does that come with debian xfce i486 |
| 21:24.50 | wam | themill: that's my favorite method with a nice tool ;) |
| 21:24.51 | jelly-home | wam: there's also dirvish, which also does hardlinked trees w/ rsync :-) |
| 21:24.57 | wam | whew |
| 21:25.05 | chops | johndoe: Globally, modify /etc/alternatives/gcc |
| 21:25.12 | johndoe | chops: thank you :-) |
| 21:25.14 | jelly-home | wam: also, rdiff-backup. |
| 21:25.17 | chops | johndoe: For a single session, setting the CC environment variable should work |
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| 21:25.24 | levon | oh and libbz2-1.0\ |
| 21:25.26 | johndoe | chops: how do i do that? |
| 21:25.34 | wam | jelly-home: damn - ok - I'll evaluate those too. Thanks! |
| 21:25.44 | Caemyr | pickcoder i dont care for nmap, i only want to BT stop being firewalled |
| 21:25.48 | themill | chops: umm... no gcc isn't managed through the alternatives system |
| 21:26.02 | jelly-home | wam: hehe :-) |
| 21:26.05 | Caemyr | lets see |
| 21:26.38 | levon | aww id does i did a aptitude and looked |
| 21:27.30 | themill | johndoe: CC=/usr/bin/gcc-4.1 make <= if you have a sensibly written makefile. |
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| 21:27.48 | jelly-home | themill: kernel? sensible makefile? |
| 21:28.34 | themill | heh... often this question is being asked for vmware purposes and afaik it doesn't work for the vmware tools |
| 21:28.53 | johndoe | themill: i need it for nvidia drivers |
| 21:29.03 | themill | that's the other usual culprit |
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| 21:29.49 | jelly-home | I did the vmware bit by changing the gcc symlink for a second, make, then putting it back afterwards |
| 21:30.06 | jelly-home | dirty but does the job |
| 21:30.07 | levon | now i really wish my laptop had ethernet manually downloading these deb files is a pain in my arse |
| 21:30.29 | xarragon | Hm, hello guys. im trying to rebuild the ov511 kernel module using module-assistant, but I can't seem to find valid headers for my kernel, 2.4.27-2-386... Am I using the wrong version for etch or what? |
| 21:30.43 | themill | jelly-home: export PATH=$HOME/bin:$PATH; ln -s /usr/bin/gcc-4.1 $HOME/bin/gcc; make |
| 21:30.49 | wols_ | xarragon: that is no etch kernel |
| 21:31.07 | mikefoo | If i switch an ip from one server to another, what arp command do I issue to get the traffic going to the new server with ip? |
| 21:31.13 | wols_ | xarragon: update your sarge install properly |
| 21:31.24 | jelly-home | themill: eww |
| 21:31.57 | themill | jelly-home: that's actually the polite way of doing it.... shouldn't be messing with symlinks in /usr/bin |
| 21:32.13 | xarragon | What the heck... sources.list says 'stable', and 'apt-get dist-upgrade' says I am up to date... |
| 21:32.24 | jelly-home | "I know what I'm doing" -- famous last words |
| 21:32.27 | themill | xarragon: did you read the release notes? |
| 21:32.41 | xarragon | themill: Chances are not... |
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| 21:32.53 | dakov | ... |
| 21:32.55 | themill | !tell xarragon about sarge->etch |
| 21:33.07 | xarragon | Im on it with Mr Google... |
| 21:33.17 | wols_ | xarragon: you run a sarge kernel |
| 21:33.21 | Sheogorath | Hello everybody. I've just changed from lenny to sid and my USB storage device aren't automount even if they are recognized. Any idea ? |
| 21:33.22 | Tramp | mikefoo: you have to send an unsolicited arp-reply to the router in front of the servers. There are tools to do this, I think hping2 can do this |
| 21:33.32 | wols_ | !tell xarragon about sarge->etch |
| 21:33.57 | xarragon | Thanks guys |
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| 21:35.53 | grendal_prime | webdrive works nice |
| 21:36.01 | grendal_prime | but damn 6 bucks a year? |
| 21:36.34 | chops | themill, johndoe: (re: gcc alternatives) quite right, sorry. I thought that it was. |
| 21:36.44 | grendal_prime | sorry 60...acuatlly thats just for the updates |
| 21:37.47 | Caemyr | pickcoder: still doest work, but thx for your time |
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| 21:39.39 | Tramp | Caemyr: unless you use stateful matching and and have a rule for related/established packets in place, you need 2 rules per connection with source- and destination ports reversed. |
| 21:40.15 | themill | chops: I always thought it would make sense to use alternatives for gcc but apparently not, only for all the alternative cc implementations that we have in Debian (hrmmm) |
| 21:40.29 | chops | themill: Weird |
| 21:40.45 | Caemyr | Tramp: any tutorial on that? |
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| 21:41.07 | Tramp | Caemyr: well, on the netfilter-site there should be some .... |
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| 21:41.19 | themill | chops: well there's the intel cc etc, but I presume they don't have debian packages that use the alternatives system |
| 21:41.43 | Sheogorath | I've just changed from lenny to sid and my USB storage device aren't automount even if they are recognized. Any idea ? |
| 21:42.02 | Caemyr | Tramp: thx will check that |
| 21:42.17 | themill | Sheogorath: how do you normally do it? gnome? kde? automounter scripts? |
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| 21:42.57 | Sheogorath | themill: I'm under Gnome, and I haven't really changed it until now. |
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| 21:43.34 | Sheogorath | themill: I thing it was hal & gnome-automounter which do it. |
| 21:43.45 | themill | Sheogorath: so that's a new version of gnome that you've just picked up then (2.18 to 2.20), no? |
| 21:43.48 | thebob | hello... I installed python2.5 on etch... i want to use ipython, but when i do "python2.5 `which ipython`" it can't load the Ipython module... any suggestions? |
| 21:44.03 | themill | Sheogorath: actually.... 2.14 to 2.18 |
| 21:44.17 | Sheogorath | themill: Even under lenny ? |
| 21:44.23 | Sheogorath | I'm under 2.20.1. |
| 21:44.58 | themill | Sheogorath: ahh... metapackage hasn't had updated version numbers... I was right the first time. 2.18 to 2.20. |
| 21:45.32 | Sheogorath | themill: So, and about my problem ? |
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| 21:46.14 | chops | thebob: How did you install python2.5? |
| 21:47.27 | thebob | chops: apt-get install python2.5 |
| 21:47.33 | themill | Sheogorath: well... it's the same version of gnome-volume-manager and pmount (I presume you have both installed?) |
| 21:47.43 | expose | when partitioning, the numerical beginning of sectors is at the outer edge of the disks, right? so thats the best place for swap, since it's fastest? |
| 21:47.55 | Sheogorath | themill: I will check that. |
| 21:48.36 | themill | Sheogorath: I'm neither a gnome nor sid user... but "aptitude install gnome-volume-manager pmount ; adduser username plugdev" is usually sufficient... ;) |
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| 21:48.58 | karsten | Is there a command-completion mode in bash 3.1.17, and if so, is there a way to turn it off? |
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| 21:49.01 | thebob | chops: i even tried to reinstall ipython |
| 21:49.17 | karsten | I'm having problems getting filename expansion (tab-complete) to work in some instances, not sure why. |
| 21:49.18 | mavric | have a intel 950 chipset, and i need to install testing apparently, where can i download it at? |
| 21:49.27 | themill | karsten: . /etc/bash_completion |
| 21:49.31 | Sheogorath | themill: These two soft installed, gnome-volume-manager version 2.17 and pmount version 0.9.16. |
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| 21:49.43 | karsten | themill: Hrm. |
| 21:49.47 | themill | karsten: but that will enable context-based completion too. |
| 21:50.21 | karsten | themill: Yeah, apparently w/ that running, filename completion gets clobbered. |
| 21:50.27 | themill | karsten: e.g. modprobe <TAB> will list modules; make <TAB> will search for targets in Makefile; |
| 21:50.42 | karsten | themill: I can complete filenames if they're the first argument or in some contexts, but not all. |
| 21:50.42 | mavric | what is the next release called? |
| 21:50.45 | karsten | themill: Interesting. |
| 21:50.49 | karsten | mavric: lenny |
| 21:50.54 | mavric | k |
| 21:50.59 | karsten | mavric: http://www.debian.org/releases |
| 21:51.02 | themill | karsten: filename tab completion still works (under etch) depending on the context. What's the context? |
| 21:51.14 | karsten | themill: It varies. |
| 21:51.24 | karsten | themill: As does behavior, I'm trying to sort this out. |
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| 21:51.37 | themill | Sheogorath: hmm... the other thing is that logging out and back in (and or restarting udev and hal parts) is sometimes needed after such an upgrade. |
| 21:51.42 | chops | thebob: Hmm... depending on how python is supposed to work that might be a bug in python. I'm not sure if python packages installed in Debian are supposed to be available to all installed versions of python, though I would assume that they are. |
| 21:51.47 | karsten | themill: Thanks. |
| 21:51.56 | chops | thebob: It might be worth checking the BTS and maybe reporting a bug. |
| 21:52.02 | Sheogorath | themill: I restarted many times after updating it. x) |
| 21:52.12 | themill | karsten: interesting. I've not had troubles with it and I do use it a lot.... most odd. |
| 21:52.21 | themill | Sheogorath: figured you might have done so. |
| 21:52.38 | themill | Sheogorath: bts? |
| 21:52.41 | thebob | chops: when i reinstalled ipython, it said i was using an unsupported version of python |
| 21:52.45 | Sheogorath | Sheogorath: BTS ? |
| 21:52.48 | jelly-home | !info ptunnel |
| 21:52.49 | karsten | themill: sudo + command + options + stuff in general. |
| 21:52.52 | dpkg | ptunnel: (Tunnel TCP connections over ICMP packets), section net, is optional. Version: 0.61-2 (sid), Packaged size: 46 kB, Installed size: 88 kB |
| 21:52.54 | chops | thebob: Ah, that's your problem there then. |
| 21:53.03 | themill | !tell Sheogorath about bts |
| 21:53.27 | themill | karsten: ahh... sudo probably complicates things... |
| 21:53.34 | Sheogorath | themill: Ha well, thanks. x) |
| 21:54.46 | themill | karsten: no... I can sudo apti<tab> i<tab> froz<tab> so sudo doesn't break tab completion on its own. |
| 21:56.05 | mavric | debian sid installer for etch? |
| 21:56.12 | mavric | errr lenny |
| 21:56.21 | mavric | sid installer for lenny? |
| 21:56.38 | mavric | im confused |
| 21:56.51 | dakov | why the ram i appear like i have 850MB , when i have 2gb |
| 21:56.57 | dakov | it's* |
| 21:57.11 | Eulex | dakov, install a 686 kernel, ditch your 486 one |
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| 21:57.38 | thebob | chops: was able to get it working by manually installing ipython from lenny... it should be on backports soon |
| 21:57.55 | chops | thebob: Makes sense. |
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| 21:59.18 | karsten | themill: Don't spend any more time on it than you want to. I'll mess with it later. |
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| 21:59.48 | themill | mavric: it's the latest version of the installer from sid, but it will install lenny. |
| 22:00.01 | themill | karsten: ok. it's an odd one. |
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| 22:00.18 | abrotman | dakov: which kernel ? |
| 22:00.20 | dasss | hi. anyone using ia64? |
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| 22:01.04 | dakov | 486 i have |
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| 22:01.16 | abrotman | dakov: and your CPU ? |
| 22:01.44 | dakov | amd athlon 64 x2 dual core 4200+ |
| 22:02.01 | Eulex | dakov, get a k7 or amd64 kernel then |
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| 22:02.07 | themill | dakov: you're wondering about 5.1 sound and you're still running a 486 kernel? |
| 22:02.47 | abrotman | priorities! |
| 22:02.56 | dakov | mainly |
| 22:03.06 | dakov | i'm new in linux ... |
| 22:03.35 | abrotman | i'm new to irc! |
| 22:03.39 | h3sp4wn | I use oss these days http://www.opensound.com/ |
| 22:04.03 | sparr_w | im thinking about going back to oss |
| 22:04.14 | karsten | themill: Increment it. |
| 22:04.14 | dakov | abrotman: ok :) |
| 22:04.15 | sparr_w | and back to 2.4 kernel |
| 22:04.37 | abrotman | you can use oss in 2.6 |
| 22:04.38 | h3sp4wn | sparr_w: Use the opensound oss - you cannot use 2.4 with lenny+ |
| 22:04.43 | jelly-home | oss is not dfsg free, for those who care about that |
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| 22:04.57 | sparr_w | h3sp4wn: says you :-p |
| 22:05.13 | dakov | what i can do , consequently |
| 22:05.14 | h3sp4wn | sparr_w: The other oss is worse than alsa |
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| 22:05.40 | h3sp4wn | unless you are using isa |
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| 22:11.56 | elmo40 | evening |
| 22:11.58 | elmo40 | how do i locate my camera? /dev/video# isnt working... |
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| 22:13.00 | elmo40 | lsusb shows: Bus 002 Device 003: ID 046d:0850 Logitech, Inc. QuickCam Web |
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| 22:14.38 | themill | elmo40: have you tried out qc-usb-source and qc-usb-utils? |
| 22:14.59 | elmo40 | qc? never heard of it. Will give it a shot |
| 22:15.23 | themill | elmo40: it works with module-assistant |
| 22:15.30 | elmo40 | ok |
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| 22:18.01 | darkskiez | anyone in scotland looking for a linux admin job ? :) |
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| 22:18.42 | abrotman | do they have to be *in* scotland? :) |
| 22:18.53 | elmo40 | exactly |
| 22:19.06 | elmo40 | admin ~= remote ;) |
| 22:19.07 | darkskiez | its for a team lead position :) |
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| 22:20.07 | darkskiez | well, 3rd line support, with linux skills, able to look at code a little, help folks on the phone, disaster recovery stuff |
| 22:20.23 | fengor | hmm how much do they pay? and i might hink about relocating ;p |
| 22:20.43 | darkskiez | fengor: where are u? |
| 22:20.49 | fengor | germany |
| 22:20.57 | jelly-home | darkskiez: What kind of code? |
| 22:20.59 | darkskiez | interviewed a german guy today actually |
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| 22:21.47 | elmo40 | themill: when i ran qcset -i, it showed my ati TV card :P Not my USB camera. |
| 22:22.00 | darkskiez | jelly: very rarely if somethings is broken, err, php / java / sql maaaybe c/c++ but unlikely |
| 22:22.16 | elmo40 | 3rd line? so someone with at least 4 years hands on? |
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| 22:22.21 | OlaX | Is anyone here aware of a tool that would allow me to cross-fade between and put overlays on multiple v4l inputs. (real time) |
| 22:22.36 | darkskiez | elmo40: ideally |
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| 22:22.40 | themill | elmo40: well that's a start.... have you loaded the usb module? |
| 22:23.10 | fengor | darkskiez: well what is the payrange? ;p |
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| 22:23.27 | darkskiez | fengor: err, not as much as you'd get in london probably :) |
| 22:23.39 | elmo40 | :P |
| 22:23.47 | darkskiez | "negotiable" |
| 22:23.49 | elmo40 | it is scotland afterall... ;) |
| 22:23.54 | elmo40 | darkskiez: that doesnt help us |
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| 22:24.55 | fengor | hehe well i do java programming and andministration (websphere application server a little bit of aix and stuff) for some years now. job is generally nice but i dont have many options to advance at my current company. so i'm keeping an open eye on the market for interesting stuff |
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| 22:25.36 | waltz | how do I remove gnome and replace it with ion? |
| 22:25.44 | waltz | I installed ion |
| 22:25.48 | waltz | now I need to remove gnome |
| 22:25.50 | waltz | and use ion instead |
| 22:25.51 | waltz | so ? |
| 22:25.54 | elmo40 | themill: do i have to reboot to get the module loaded? (about the only thing i have not had to do... everything else 'just worked') ;) |
| 22:25.56 | abrotman | fengor: i'm sorry |
| 22:25.57 | themill | !remove gnome |
| 22:25.57 | dpkg | apt-get --purge remove libgnome32 libgnome2-common (or ask me about <install gnome>), or after removing those, run 'aptitude' and look at section 'gnome' to remove the rest. |
| 22:26.12 | fengor | abrotman ? |
| 22:26.16 | darkskiez | elmo40: i've not actually been told what the range is they are looking for, but I would suspect it would be ?30,000+ region |
| 22:26.37 | elmo40 | pounds? |
| 22:26.40 | waltz | alright and then how do I start ion when entering runlevel 2? |
| 22:26.43 | themill | elmo40: unplugging and then plugging the camera back in should be enough. Look in daemon.log for some chatter about the plug event. |
| 22:26.45 | elmo40 | m'eh, not enough for me to move |
| 22:26.51 | darkskiez | :) |
| 22:26.57 | elmo40 | waltz: init2? you cant |
| 22:27.11 | waltz | er |
| 22:27.19 | elmo40 | init5 |
| 22:27.31 | themill | elmo40: umm... this is debian not redhat |
| 22:27.31 | darkskiez | elmo40: out of interest, what would you say would be a good rate? |
| 22:27.38 | nhuisman_work | does drbd operate at the block level when syncing, or file level? |
| 22:27.46 | fengor | darkskiez is there an url to the job offer/description? |
| 22:27.47 | darkskiez | nhuisman_work: block |
| 22:27.54 | wam | nhuisman_work: block |
| 22:27.57 | TrueDD | Good night all |
| 22:27.57 | nhuisman_work | so then it doesn't matter how many files and how big the file system is |
| 22:28.02 | nhuisman_work | i have something like 50 million files to sync |
| 22:28.07 | nhuisman_work | 2tb or so |
| 22:28.07 | abrotman | is scotland in asia? |
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| 22:28.12 | elmo40 | darkskiez: how busy? 3rd tier (pounds) tech support should be around 45k |
| 22:28.23 | wam | nhuisman_work: only the (allowed) throughput counts. |
| 22:28.25 | darkskiez | elmo40: not that busy...yet. |
| 22:28.43 | darkskiez | abrotman: google my friend. |
| 22:28.44 | dkr | abrotman: eurasia? :) |
| 22:28.56 | abrotman | what?! why? |
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| 22:29.09 | nhuisman_work | man drbd scares me as a backup solution |
| 22:29.14 | elmo40 | darkskiez: what support? from products sold? or a company hires you as a tech support firm? |
| 22:29.18 | abrotman | darkskiez: did you go to the debconf7 in edinburgh ? |
| 22:29.20 | darkskiez | nhuisman_work: its not a backup soluton |
| 22:29.21 | dkr | maybe his friend committed some heinous crime so lots of pages on google about it? |
| 22:29.23 | themill | waltz: you're going to run ion as a user not as root i.e. you won't run it from init but from xdm (or gdm) when you log in. ~/.dmrc or ~/.xsession |
| 22:29.24 | nhuisman_work | yeah |
| 22:29.29 | elmo40 | i am surprised you are not outsourced to India yet... |
| 22:29.30 | darkskiez | abrotman: unfortunately, not. |
| 22:29.35 | nhuisman_work | but rsync totally fails with 50 million files |
| 22:29.39 | nhuisman_work | so how the fuck do you back that up |
| 22:29.41 | wam | nhuisman_work: that's no backup. Just hot standby or second working machine (depends on your fs) |
| 22:29.44 | waltz | themill: alright |
| 22:30.05 | waltz | so I can still use gdm as my display manager, right? |
| 22:30.06 | darkskiez | elmo40: company actually has some folks in india :-| |
| 22:30.26 | themill | waltz: yes, xdm or gdm or kdm.... |
| 22:30.26 | elmo40 | then they will never have good pay |
| 22:30.37 | waltz | themill: gotcha |
| 22:30.42 | elmo40 | themill: since he has/had gnome, i would suggest gdm is still there |
| 22:30.42 | darkskiez | nhuisman_work: wowozer,...ermm zfs is an idea, maybe not a good one, but an idea. |
| 22:31.04 | jelly-home | nhuisman_work: freeze the filesystem, snapshot, backup the snapshot some way. |
| 22:31.15 | nhuisman_work | like lvm snapshot it |
| 22:31.16 | nhuisman_work | ? |
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| 22:31.36 | jelly-home | nhuisman_work: yes. also, needs xfs that has support for the "freeze the filesystem" bit |
| 22:31.42 | wam | nhuisman_work: hmm - lvm and drbd is not such a good idea... |
| 22:31.49 | nhuisman_work | yeah i'm not going to use drbd probably |
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| 22:32.25 | wam | nhuisman_work: what I do is: Use drbd for syncing to another host (hot standby) and this one backups. So the load for backup isn't on the productive machine. |
| 22:32.38 | nhuisman_work | yeah the problem is I don't have enough hardware for three copies |
| 22:32.50 | nhuisman_work | i have two boxes which run weather simulations |
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| 22:33.06 | jelly-home | nhuisman_work: depending on how the tree looks like, split the rsync into multiple runs. |
| 22:33.08 | themill | elmo40: not if just removed libgnome32... |
| 22:33.09 | elmo40 | nhuisman_work: what for. |
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| 22:33.15 | elmo40 | nhuisman_work: fold protein! |
| 22:33.33 | elmo40 | themill: i dont see why gdm will uninstall. It is not reliant on gnome |
| 22:33.52 | waltz | themill: so $ whereis ion | echo `awk '{print $2}'` > ~/.xsession && reboot ? |
| 22:34.32 | waltz | I'm just curious if gdm will read from ~/.xsession |
| 22:34.33 | waltz | on boot |
| 22:34.41 | elmo40 | sure, why not? |
| 22:34.55 | waltz | mkay |
| 22:35.07 | elmo40 | ok, i shut up now |
| 22:35.09 | jelly-home | waltz: on debian, you shoulod be able to just choose your wm from the menu in gdm |
| 22:35.24 | themill | waltz: you might want to consider >> not > in that. and perhaps a sudo reboot unless your normal user can reboot. |
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| 22:35.38 | waltz | themill: yeah well, just the idea is OK? |
| 22:35.46 | jelly-home | themill: looked like pseudocode to me |
| 22:35.55 | waltz | jelly-home: er no |
| 22:35.58 | themill | jelly-home: ermmm... |
| 22:35.59 | waltz | that is Real Code |
| 22:36.01 | waltz | beware |
| 22:36.26 | waltz | anyway wish me luck |
| 22:36.29 | themill | waltz: using the wm dropdown menu is safer. I presume that works for ion |
| 22:36.32 | jelly-home | waltz: wtf is echo for? |
| 22:36.38 | waltz | erm |
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| 22:36.48 | jelly-home | which foo | awk '{print $2}' |
| 22:37.01 | waltz | or that heh |
| 22:37.07 | themill | awk isn't necessary either then |
| 22:37.09 | elmo40 | jelly-home: type it in your terminal |
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| 22:37.34 | themill | at least it wasn't another contender for the useless use of cat award ;) |
| 22:38.06 | jelly-home | elmo40: whatever! |
| 22:38.44 | abrotman | !tell _vector_ about away |
| 22:38.58 | jelly-home | my .xsession was a real #! script when I used to use it, ended with exec mywm |
| 22:39.11 | Sheogorath | themill: Finally, I decided to create an entry to fstab in order to mount /dev/sde1 when inserting usb storage device. |
| 22:39.49 | dserban | Anyone ever throw the idea around about a project where dpkg can auto compile source to meet your sub-arch? That'd be hot.... it could be called gentoobian? |
| 22:39.51 | themill | Sheogorath: well that will work... as long as the device always has a partition table on it and you don't insert two at once :) |
| 22:40.11 | themill | !gentoosmite dserban |
| 22:40.20 | abrotman | !apt-build |
| 22:40.20 | dpkg | apt-build is probably an apt-get front-end for recompiling packages; http://julien.danjou.info/article-apt-build.html . Warning -- this program will not optimize your packages for you as advertised; the gcc O flags and friends that you specify are not even parsed properly. In a breath, don't bother with it, because apt-get source/build-dep is far more useful. |
| 22:40.21 | jelly-home | dserban: subwhatnow? |
| 22:40.31 | Sheogorath | themill: Yes I know, I will mount next device by hand. x) |
| 22:40.32 | abrotman | jelly-home: for -k7 etc |
| 22:40.41 | Sheogorath | themill: Waiting for update. :x |
| 22:40.46 | jelly-home | abrotman: I asked him! |
| 22:40.50 | dserban | abrotman, apt-build works, but last time I used it, it was a touch lame with dependencies |
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| 22:41.03 | dserban | jelly-home, sub architecture |
| 22:41.12 | jelly-home | dserban: yeah, what is it? |
| 22:41.16 | bucketfan99 | hello. are there any processes or cron jobs that would reboot y debian machines with new kernels or something ? |
| 22:42.21 | dserban | a subset of (or super set?) of the i386 arch... so you can compile for different targets such as pentium... k7 (athlon) etc. Making use of the "neato" features each generation added to the x86 arch. |
| 22:42.45 | jelly-home | dserban: gotcha |
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| 22:43.11 | ponyofdeath | hi, for some reason when i ssh into my box it is not sourcing the .bash_profile what could be preventing that? |
| 22:43.46 | dserban | abrotman, you have to admit though that setting a flag somewhere to have it auto-build would be somewhat cool. Though just a pipe dream and hard to implement etc... I tried gentoo a year + ago and it felt faster/snappier but it could've just been the placebo effect as well. |
| 22:43.48 | abrotman | I SAID THAT! |
| 22:44.03 | abrotman | dserban: see .. farther down the alphabet .. they have this thing called gentoo |
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| 22:44.41 | johndoe | how can i find out which wireless adapter i have? |
| 22:44.47 | abrotman | dserban: see .. farther down the alphabet .. they have this thing called gentoo |
| 22:44.53 | abrotman | bah .. wrong screen for up :) |
| 22:45.41 | awilcox | Hello. I'm installing Debian right now on my laptop, but there's a slight problem. I used installgui and am at the part where it installs the predetermined package sets (DE, laptop, base). It seemed stuck on package #652 which I thought was strange, so I hit CTRL+ALT+F4 to see status. Well, it isn't stuck. Anyways, the problem is now how do I get back to installgui? It's not on any of the VTs that I see. |
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| 22:45.44 | dserban | heh I get it. I'll never leave debian, it's just too sexy. There's also something to be said about it feeling "l337" like in the woody days :) when people feared debian for being too ... difficult. |
| 22:45.57 | dserban | meh forget it, I'll bring it back up again in a year :) |
| 22:46.15 | abrotman | dserban: you could write the stuff to do it .. but apt-build is what you want |
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| 22:46.23 | themill | !tell johndoe about what's my wireless |
| 22:46.36 | fengor | awilcox: try alt+f7 |
| 22:46.52 | johndoe | themill, others: how do you know all those tell things? |
| 22:47.07 | themill | johndoe: not having a life and good memory helps. |
| 22:47.32 | awilcox | fengor: I did. There is no change on the screen; I fear I may have crashed X :( |
| 22:47.33 | johndoe | themill: looks like i could join the crew :-) |
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| 22:50.21 | themill | johndoe: http://wiki.debian.org/IRC/DpkgBot |
| 22:51.02 | johndoe | themill: is this the official support IRC channel for debian? |
| 22:51.13 | dga | i want to install debian on my laptop but i'm not sure what packages i will need to install. what should i do? |
| 22:51.37 | themill | johndoe: there's actually an "official" one on oftc (irc.debian.org) but this one is still larger and more active. |
| 22:52.22 | abrotman | it's not official |
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| 22:52.41 | themill | well... it's as official as it gets. |
| 22:52.47 | abrotman | so is this one? :) |
| 22:52.58 | dga | should i install from a netinst or full cd? |
| 22:53.23 | abrotman | netinst |
| 22:53.26 | abrotman | if you can |
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| 22:53.45 | themill | abrotman: the only one listed on debian.org/support is irc.debian.org |
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| 22:54.02 | themill | abrotman: well.. they also say you can try "the other one" |
| 22:54.20 | streuner | themill: nough |
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| 22:55.03 | bucketfan99 | soa m i the only guy whose debian servers reboot themselves ? |
| 22:55.10 | themill | yes |
| 22:55.34 | neotic | bucketfan99: prolly the hardware doing it? |
| 22:56.11 | dkr | #debian@irc.debian.org seems to have more non-english speakers that have to be redirected to the various other debian channels for specific languages. probably because it is the official one. :) |
| 22:56.19 | epsilon | bucketfan99: step one: read the logs |
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| 22:56.38 | dga | abrotman: what will i have to install to get my laptop working?i need packages for apm and wireless and things like this right? |
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| 22:58.00 | epsilon | dga: identify the components you have and ask any search engine of your trust |
| 22:58.11 | abrotman | dga: depends on your wifi |
| 22:58.27 | abrotman | bucketfan99: on purpose? |
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| 22:58.43 | bucketfan99 | its like 50 servers |
| 22:58.47 | bucketfan99 | and they take turns over the course of a month |
| 22:58.47 | abrotman | all of them,? |
| 22:58.50 | bucketfan99 | most. |
| 22:58.56 | bucketfan99 | different hosts even |
| 22:58.59 | bucketfan99 | they are all running testing |
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| 23:00.16 | themill | dpkg: g'night |
| 23:00.16 | dga | abrotman: is there a generic package that installs laptop stuff like for detecting hotkeys and power management? |
| 23:00.16 | dpkg | Sleep tight, don't let the bedbugs bite :) |
| 23:01.01 | abrotman | nope |
| 23:01.04 | epsilon | bucketfan99 read the logs. find out what the box was doing atm of reboot |
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| 23:01.26 | bucketfan99 | epsilon, never any reason in there |
| 23:01.28 | bucketfan99 | they just seem to reboot |
| 23:01.30 | bucketfan99 | it is freakin me out |
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| 23:02.30 | epsilon | bucketfan99: any error in the server room? power supply error, overheating... |
| 23:02.42 | dakov | fuse: mount failed: Device or resource busy |
| 23:02.45 | dakov | fuse: mount failed: Device or resource busy |
| 23:02.47 | dakov | ups |
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| 23:02.53 | dakov | why is busy, i'm not use it |
| 23:03.04 | awilcox | bucketfan99: any common packages / hardware being used on all machines? |
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| 23:03.12 | hdevalence | how would I remove all packages from a certain repository? |
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| 23:03.25 | streuner | hhh |
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| 23:03.53 | streuner | uh |
| 23:04.22 | bucketfan99 | awilcox nope |
| 23:04.28 | bucketfan99 | spread across too many locations etc |
| 23:04.28 | h3sp4wn | hdevalence: what exactly do you want to do ? |
| 23:04.37 | streuner | easy way? just reinstall |
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| 23:05.06 | Ace2016 | Hi all |
| 23:05.19 | Ace2016 | can someone help me run a command before kdm is started, just after xorg is started, but before the user is required to type the password |
| 23:05.26 | Ace2016 | i need to run /usr/bin/numlockx on |
| 23:05.34 | streuner | hdevalence: what kind of repo is that? |
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| 23:05.37 | Ace2016 | i think the obvious course of action seems to be to edit /etc/init.d/kdm, can someone help me with that step, not sure where in the file to put it |
| 23:06.01 | streuner | hdevalence: What does 'dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1' say? |
| 23:06.03 | h3sp4wn | hdevalence: if you have upgraded libc and moved from one distro to another - it takes too long to support people to do it (and Debian doesn't support it) |
| 23:06.32 | karsten | Ace2016: /etc/X11/Xsession.d/ |
| 23:07.02 | karsten | Ace2016: Either modify or add a file there. |
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| 23:07.12 | awilcox | Ace2016: man xinit |
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| 23:07.20 | karsten | Ace2016: What command do you want to run? |
| 23:07.26 | Ace2016 | oh its already there, then does that mean its enabled? |
| 23:07.31 | epsilon | .oO wasn't there a numock start script in /etc/init.d? |
| 23:07.39 | cTATUK | Does anyone know of a binary program that will inflate(decompress) zlib-compressed strings/files(NOT gzip/zip files)? |
| 23:07.43 | Ace2016 | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:08.01 | Ace2016 | 55numlockx is in /etc/X11/Xsession.d/ |
| 23:08.02 | karsten | epsilon: numock? Numlock, maybe? |
| 23:08.19 | streuner | well, if numlockx is installed, its always activated |
| 23:08.25 | Ace2016 | yea it turns on numlock when kdm starts |
| 23:08.36 | streuner | grep /etc/ |
| 23:08.41 | Ace2016 | but does it take effect after you login too? |
| 23:08.49 | Ace2016 | does it stay in effect? |
| 23:09.01 | streuner | suree |
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| 23:10.14 | Ace2016 | ok i added it to my autostart file which launches on login and sets up all the shortcuts with xbindkeys |
| 23:10.56 | Ace2016 | anyone know how to lower the volume using the command line? |
| 23:11.14 | Ace2016 | like tell alsamixer to lower the volume or something |
| 23:12.07 | streuner | aumix |
| 23:12.09 | Ace2016 | at the moment i have to send a dcop call to kmix to tell it to increase and decrease the volume, which isn't good when it comes to closing that app, i want something that'll work with plain x |
| 23:12.23 | karsten | streuner: Noninteractively, I'll wot. |
| 23:12.41 | karsten | Ace2016: alsamixer / aumix are interactive ncurses programs. |
| 23:12.53 | Ace2016 | so? |
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| 23:13.13 | karsten | Ace2016: You may be able to steer 'em w/ stdin as well. |
| 23:13.14 | Ace2016 | can't they accept a command like aumix --volume decrease 10% or something like that? |
| 23:13.28 | karsten | Ace2016: RTFM |
| 23:13.40 | karsten | Ace2016: Which is to say, I don't know. Go look yourself. |
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| 23:14.58 | mavric | even lenny wont detect my sound card on a intel 950 chipset, whilst other distros have no problem whatsoever with it |
| 23:15.19 | cusco | what soundcard is it? |
| 23:15.25 | mavric | intel |
| 23:15.37 | cusco | hda? |
| 23:15.39 | Ace2016 | what kernel? |
| 23:15.53 | mavric | lenny default, i assumed it would be a newer one |
| 23:16.01 | karsten | Ace2016: Looks like aumix does take CLI inputs. |
| 23:16.14 | mavric | lemme check it |
| 23:16.26 | Ace2016 | yea i looked in alsamixer's man page and it didn't, just reading aumix now |
| 23:16.36 | cusco | it provavly is hda intel |
| 23:16.45 | karsten | Ace2016: Run aumix interactively, to monitor. Then run a shell. |
| 23:16.56 | mavric | 2.6.22 |
| 23:16.59 | karsten | Ace2016: 'aumix -v 0; aumix -v 10; aumix -v 50; aumix -v 100' |
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| 23:17.16 | mavric | wonder if there are newer kernels in repos |
| 23:17.44 | Caemyr | anone here is running CDemu on 2.6.22.x kernel? |
| 23:17.55 | cusco | mavric: lspci|grep -i audiop |
| 23:17.56 | cusco | mavric: lspci|grep -i audio |
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| 23:18.24 | cusco | mavric: a new kernel just came into lenny yesterday |
| 23:18.25 | Ace2016 | aumix -v + and aumix -v - seems to be what i need |
| 23:18.30 | cusco | (or the day before, unsure) |
| 23:18.52 | cusco | Ace2016: do you use kernel or gnome? |
| 23:18.55 | cusco | ai |
| 23:18.57 | Ace2016 | kde :D |
| 23:18.58 | cusco | kde or gnome |
| 23:18.59 | cusco | lol |
| 23:19.04 | mavric | intel corporation 82801G |
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| 23:19.27 | cusco | Ace2016: if you open kmix or whatever it is you have an option to add key bindings |
| 23:19.33 | cusco | then you just press your favorite keys |
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| 23:19.37 | cusco | I do it in gnome |
| 23:20.05 | magyar | hi, how can i burn with k3b an mp3 file to cda format that regular cd players will play? |
| 23:20.06 | cusco | also if you leave the sound pretty high, when you reboot it will remember session stuff including sound level |
| 23:20.08 | Ace2016 | oh i didn't think of that |
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| 23:20.45 | Ace2016 | but i also have keys like forward and backwards stop, which i intend to control with a bash script and if functions and stuff |
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| 23:20.50 | cusco | mavric: I can-t help you much, I have a 82801H - it worked out of the box... are you sure your sound is not mute? |
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| 23:20.56 | cusco | mavric: gnome or kde? |
| 23:21.02 | mavric | gnome |
| 23:21.16 | cusco | mavric: in the right top corner you have a sound volume |
| 23:21.26 | cusco | mavric: unmute it |
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| 23:21.29 | mavric | ya, have the icon, but get a error msg |
| 23:21.39 | cusco | ah.... what is the msg? |
| 23:22.00 | mavric | no volume control gstreamer plugins or devices found |
| 23:22.05 | cusco | ah |
| 23:22.17 | cusco | will you play mp3's? |
| 23:22.21 | mavric | same deal with ubuntu |
| 23:22.28 | mavric | or any deb based distro |
| 23:22.32 | cusco | apt-get install gstreamer0.10-plugins-ugly |
| 23:22.40 | mavric | cusco ok |
| 23:22.53 | mavric | ugly? whats this reference |
| 23:22.56 | magyar | where can i get an uncrippled version of k3b for debian lenny? |
| 23:23.05 | h3sp4wn | You can get a very good mp3 playing codec from fluendo (licensed) and free (as in beer) |
| 23:23.10 | cusco | mavric: ugly stands for the propriatary mp3 stuff :P |
| 23:23.16 | mavric | cool |
| 23:23.19 | cusco | or licensed stuff |
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| 23:23.34 | cusco | mavric: what is uncrippled? |
| 23:23.37 | h3sp4wn | I am surprised it has not been packaged for non-free |
| 23:23.49 | cusco | mavric: I think you need lame or a lame plugin to use k3b to burn mp3 into audio |
| 23:23.57 | Ace2016 | mplayer -vo null -ao alsa file.mp3 that should test to see if it works, mplayer plays everything |
| 23:24.00 | magyar | cusco: can decode mp3 to cda |
| 23:24.07 | mavric | cusco: thats someone elses problem |
| 23:24.07 | cusco | h3sp4wn: nor has lame |
| 23:24.15 | mavric | gstreamer ugly is already installed |
| 23:24.18 | cusco | mavric: sorry that was to magyar |
| 23:24.19 | Ace2016 | well i haven't found anything it can't, i like to play stuff before it finishes downloading, it heps with torrent |
| 23:24.39 | h3sp4wn | cusco: Yes but there is no license issues with the fluendo one (as fluendo paid the fee) |
| 23:24.56 | cusco | mavric: just making sure... lsmod|grep intel |
| 23:25.03 | h3sp4wn | Its binary only but it is legally licensed (and such as nvidia-glx is binary only and in non-free) |
| 23:25.04 | cusco | mavric: lists sound modules? |
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| 23:25.30 | Ace2016 | oh just go with mplayer and w32codecs, and you should be fine |
| 23:26.13 | cusco | h3sp4wn: oh is it? sorry I dont know anything about that... maybe that is what he should have installed... Im not sure about the "ugly" bit neither... I just assumed |
| 23:26.41 | mavric | guess ill try the newer kernel |
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| 23:26.45 | Stalwart | how can i see what packages depend on libflac8? |
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| 23:26.51 | mavric | 2.6.23.xx ? |
| 23:26.58 | cusco | h3sp4wn: then.. that is why! "ugly" is open source :p |
| 23:27.13 | cusco | Stalwart: apt-cache rdepends package |
| 23:27.24 | Ace2016 | mavric: http://debian-multimedia.fx-services.com/ go there and add their repo, that'll solve your playback issues if that is what is causing the no sound thing |
| 23:27.26 | cusco | mavric: yea... can you unmute now? |
| 23:27.35 | cusco | mavric: did you check lsmod? |
| 23:27.48 | Ace2016 | run alsamixer, that should show you the status of your audio system |
| 23:28.08 | Stalwart | cusco, thanks |
| 23:28.21 | hdevalence | h3sp4wn: I got a 3rdparty repo to install some software that wasn't in the normal repos, and now I want to remove it. I'm using Kubuntu, but since it's a thing about apt, I thought that debian would be the best people to ask.. |
| 23:28.42 | hdevalence | h3sp4wn: It's not any system-critical stuff |
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| 23:28.56 | mavric | its a fairly common chipset, i dont understand why there is problems across the debian/based distros, every other distro ive tried works fine |
| 23:28.56 | cusco | np Stalwart |
| 23:28.59 | Ace2016 | hdevalence: whats wrong did the package get stuck? |
| 23:29.07 | cusco | mavric: ..... |
| 23:29.07 | Ace2016 | can't you remove it with synaptic? |
| 23:29.13 | cusco | mavric: lsmod|grep intel |
| 23:29.18 | mavric | anyways, ill try another fork of linux |
| 23:29.20 | cusco | do you see the snd drivers loaded? |
| 23:29.23 | mavric | thanks for your help |
| 23:29.51 | cusco | lost cause |
| 23:29.54 | hdevalence | Ace2016: I get them from the main reposa bunch of packages though (ie KDE4) and now I want |
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| 23:30.15 | hdevalence | err |
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| 23:30.41 | johndoe | can someone tell me which wireless adapter i have, this is hwinfo's output http://rafb.net/p/SwE9T435.html |
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| 23:31.15 | hdevalence | Ace2016: I have a bunch of packages though (ie KDE4) and now I want to remove them and use the main repos |
| 23:31.20 | Ace2016 | open synaptic, on the bottom left hand side is a button called origin, that'll show a list of repos, click the repo and remove the stuff you want, be careful, those packages might have replaced critical system components |
| 23:31.57 | wrg | Which best window manager for computer with 320mb ram? |
| 23:32.06 | cusco | johndoe: that is hard to read, can't you jsut output lspci? |
| 23:32.13 | cusco | johndoe: providing it is a pci card |
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| 23:32.58 | johndoe | cusco: http://rafb.net/p/l5S3PX28.html |
| 23:32.59 | hdevalence | Ace2016: Is there a way to do it in Adept? I don't have synaptic installed |
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| 23:33.06 | teslacoil | after doing apt-get source $package, where should the source code located? |
| 23:33.10 | Ace2016 | not that i know of |
| 23:33.24 | cusco | johndoe: you have an atheros |
| 23:33.35 | Ace2016 | i used to use kubuntu, even then i used synaptic |
| 23:33.40 | johndoe | cusco: so i should go with madwifi, right? |
| 23:33.45 | h3sp4wn | teslacoil: where dpkg -L $package says |
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| 23:33.47 | cusco | yap, do you know how to install it? |
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| 23:33.54 | johndoe | i did |
| 23:34.06 | h3sp4wn | teslacoil: no actually that is garbage - the current directory |
| 23:34.08 | johndoe | then i do modprobe ath_,,, and the other commands |
| 23:34.11 | RickyWh3 | anyone know where to find the bind sample template files that come with BIND install on debian? |
| 23:34.14 | johndoe | and then it says: |
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| 23:35.04 | teslacoil | h3sp4wn: oh, hah. thanks |
| 23:35.43 | johndoe | http://rafb.net/p/QNJ1dS44.html |
| 23:36.25 | h3sp4wn | teslacoil: (the dpkg -L madwifi-source is for apt-get install madwifi-source) (madwifi as example) its usually /usr/src for those |
| 23:36.37 | cusco | johndoe: ask dpkg for madwifi one-liner |
| 23:37.14 | Kage` | Why am I getting this error? "Too many open files in system" |
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| 23:37.18 | johndoe | !tell john madwifi one-liner |
| 23:37.22 | Kage` | And how do I fix it? |
| 23:37.28 | hdevalence | Ace2016: Thanks. |
| 23:37.44 | h3sp4wn | johndoe: anything particularly non standard about the card (for some types it may be unsupported or you may need madwifi trunk) |
| 23:38.18 | johndoe | h3sp4wn: it comes with the laptop, its integrated inside it |
| 23:38.31 | h3sp4wn | johndoe: mini pci-e ? |
| 23:38.38 | johndoe | h3sp4wn: no idea :-\ |
| 23:39.09 | h3sp4wn | "johndoe: what does lspci -nn | grep -i ath" say |
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| 23:42.27 | johndoe | 05:00.0 Ethernet controller [0200]: Atheros Communications, Inc. Unknown device [168c:001c] (rev 01) |
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| 23:44.59 | Dwayne_ | http://pastebin.ca/802167 |
| 23:45.12 | Dwayne_ | Can someone please look at this and help me out |
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| 23:46.44 | streuner | Forcing reload of web server (apache2)...httpd (no pid file) not running |
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| 23:46.55 | Dwayne_ | but it is running |
| 23:47.02 | kgoetz | Dwayne_: having link is good, telling us the problem is better |
| 23:47.22 | Dwayne_ | well i can't do anything with apt-get |
| 23:47.33 | Dwayne_ | i need to install winbind, i can't |
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| 23:47.47 | Dwayne_ | i get a related error always with the apache-perl |
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| 23:48.07 | Caemyr | did you try to google for that error? |
| 23:48.09 | Dwayne_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:48.22 | Dwayne_ | this is what i get when i try and install winbind |
| 23:48.27 | streuner | What does 'dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1' say? |
| 23:48.53 | Dwayne_ | no package found |
| 23:48.53 | Caemyr | Dwayne |
| 23:48.59 | Caemyr | u are on etch? |
| 23:49.02 | Dwayne_ | yes i did |
| 23:49.05 | Caemyr | look |
| 23:49.18 | Caemyr | winbind needs other samba common version |
| 23:49.20 | SpeedyG | hey, i've got my iptables logging stuff ,but it logs to the commandline instead of a logfile, now I know there's something I've missed.. but can't recall what it was, and cant find it on google, anyone know what i've missed ? |
| 23:49.26 | Dwayne_ | yes i'm on etch |
| 23:49.27 | Caemyr | than the one accessible in your repo |
| 23:49.44 | Dwayne_ | oh |
| 23:49.46 | Caemyr | you need to add backports |
| 23:50.05 | Dwayne_ | i wonder if it's a problem that i am using the sources for stable with etch? |
| 23:50.10 | Caemyr | or violatile |
| 23:50.19 | Caemyr | nope |
| 23:50.28 | Caemyr | but there will be dependencies problems |
| 23:50.39 | Dwayne_ | ok, why is apt giving me all that junk about apache-perl |
| 23:51.00 | Kage` | I am getting the error, "Too many open files in system", how do I fix this? |
| 23:52.17 | Caemyr | Dwayne: could you check if the samba-common is already installed? |
| 23:52.25 | SpeedyG | anyone ?? |
| 23:52.40 | Ace2016 | ok the final commands are: amixer set Master 3+ and amixer set Master 3- for volume control, and amixer set Master toggle to mute, works well, guess i don't need kmix running on startup, now if only i could attach this to xorg instead of just kde session, like get xbindkeys to start with xorg instead of just at kde login |
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| 23:53.07 | Dwayne_ | yes, but it want's to install extra packages |
| 23:53.25 | Dwayne_ | which i can't do because of the apt-get error |
| 23:53.32 | kgoetz | SpeedyG: you forgot to check iptables+syslog man pages :) |
| 23:54.29 | jelly-home | Kage`: use lsof (possibly as root) to find out which process uses a lot of open file descriptors. Kill it. Use /etc/security/limits.conf to change the per-user defaults. Use /proc/sys/fs/file-max to set the global limit |
| 23:54.57 | SpeedyG | kgoetz: problem is, i've also looked there, but cant find it.. got the feeling that i'm overlooking something :| |
| 23:55.09 | jelly-home | Kage`: man limits.conf, man sysctl.conf |
| 23:55.22 | SpeedyG | ( it'd probably be a wise move to go to bed at this point.. but i'm ignorant ;) ) |
| 23:55.25 | kgoetz | SpeedyG: this didnt help? Turn on kernel logging of matching packets. When this option is set for a rule, the Linux kernel will print some information on all matching packets (like most IP header fields) via the kernel log (where it can be read with dmesg or syslogd(8)). |
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| 23:55.49 | Caemyr | Dwayne: what version of samba-common is installed? |
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| 23:56.01 | SpeedyG | kgoetz: i'm trying to redirect the logging to a iptables.log file instead |
| 23:56.03 | jelly-home | Kage`: you'll need to logout and login again after changing limits.conf |
| 23:56.24 | johndoe | is it possible that my wireless card isnt recognized? ie. it doesnt show up on lspci |
| 23:56.30 | Kage` | jelly-home, wtf am I looking for in lsof? |
| 23:56.35 | Kage` | I don't know how to make heads or tails of this |
| 23:56.41 | kgoetz | SpeedyG: afaik you'll need to chek syslog's settings tehn to get it to redirect the iptables stuff elseware |
| 23:56.50 | kgoetz | afk though, meeting :( |
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| 23:57.28 | Dwayne_ | Caemyr: how do i check? |
| 23:58.07 | Caemyr | i`m using synaptic:) |
| 23:58.14 | Caemyr | you probably need to |
| 23:58.17 | Caemyr | man apt-get |
| 23:58.26 | Caemyr | and read it through |
| 23:58.43 | jelly-home | Kage`: you're looking for a single process with a _lot_ of lines, ignoring the lines with mem in fourth column. |
| 23:59.06 | Kage` | jelly-home, well, www-data has a lot of open stuff, but that's to be expected, with the modules I run |
| 23:59.17 | jelly-home | Kage`: for example, a badly written torrent client might have a lot of fds open |
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| 23:59.29 | Ace2016 | night all |
| 23:59.31 | Ace2016 | bye |
| 23:59.38 | Ace2016 | and thanks |
| 23:59.38 | Caemyr | night |
| 23:59.39 | *** part/#debian Ace2016 (n=ace@halls-129-31-70-5.hor.ic.ac.uk) |
