| 00:00.13 | jelly-home | Kage`: what exact command are you running that gives out that error? |
| 00:00.38 | Kage` | jelly-home, anything that accesses a file |
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| 00:01.17 | Dwayne_ | i have samba common 3.0.25a-2 |
| 00:01.26 | Tramp | SpeedyG: Die you check /var/log/messeges and /var/log/kern.log |
| 00:01.30 | Kage` | jelly-home, I'm guessing editing file-max would fix the problem, but then what? Reboot? |
| 00:02.20 | jelly-home | Kage`: no, stuff in /proc/sys has immediate effect, that's current kernel values |
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| 00:03.13 | jelly-home | Kage`: if that fixes the problem, you'll want to put it in /etc/sysctl.conf to be active at next boot... like echo fs.file-max=16384 >> /etc/sysctl.conf |
| 00:04.35 | Kage` | jelly-home, right now my file-max is set to: 262144 |
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| 00:04.44 | Kage` | But I also run 3 game servers on my server |
| 00:05.08 | Kage` | FEAR opens I'm guessing around 200 files, CS:S opens like, 500, and bf2, oddly, only opens 20 |
| 00:05.28 | jelly-home | Kage`: that's rather high. you might be hitting a per-user limit then. Do all of those run as the same user? |
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| 00:06.39 | Kage` | jelly-home, the games? Yes |
| 00:07.04 | jelly-home | Kage`: if you don't know about lsof output, ls /proc/PID/fd |wc -w will show the number of open fd's for process PID as well |
| 00:07.13 | Kage` | jelly-home, but the thing is, though, whenever I hit a open files limit, if I do a `ps aux`, it shows #userid for every process, no matter what user I run it on |
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| 00:07.55 | jelly-home | Kage`: because it can't read /etc/passwd and figure out symbolic user names, possibly |
| 00:08.15 | Kage` | jelly-home, yes, but it does it for any user I su to |
| 00:08.25 | Kage` | So I'm wondering if it's a global limit? |
| 00:08.35 | Kage` | Maybe I actually have 262k files open? :O |
| 00:08.42 | Caemyr | how can i find which deb contains the header i need? |
| 00:08.54 | Caemyr | simple googling provided no answer |
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| 00:09.17 | Caemyr | the file was /cdio/cdio.h |
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| 00:10.09 | SpeedyG | Tramp: yes |
| 00:10.33 | Kage` | jelly-home, so how do I properly set a bigger user limit? |
| 00:10.44 | jelly-home | Kage`: lsof -n |awk '$4~/[0-9][rwu]/'|wc -l ? |
| 00:10.57 | stew | Caemyr: /msg dpkg apt-file |
| 00:11.01 | Caemyr | thx |
| 00:11.07 | jelly-home | Kage`: what's the output of that? |
| 00:11.22 | Kage` | jelly-home, 665 |
| 00:11.30 | jelly-home | run it as root |
| 00:11.46 | Kage` | I did |
| 00:11.58 | Kage` | [root@konjou /etc/security]# lsof -n |awk '$4~/[0-9][rwu]/'|wc -l |
| 00:11.58 | Kage` | 665 |
| 00:12.08 | jelly-home | only 665 opened normal files, weird. |
| 00:12.19 | jelly-home | can you pastebin complete 'lsof -n' ? |
| 00:12.26 | Kage` | Sure |
| 00:12.31 | Kage` | Lemme pipe it into a file |
| 00:12.48 | jelly-home | if you succeed in writing it to a file. |
| 00:13.03 | Kage` | jelly-home, I did |
| 00:13.05 | Agiofws | hey |
| 00:13.24 | Agiofws | now that i fixed my touchpad i don;t know what else to do |
| 00:13.43 | Agiofws | http://www.agiofws.freeweb7.com/touchpad.html <- |
| 00:13.58 | Kage` | jelly-home, http://pastebin.vitund.com/8 |
| 00:14.16 | wrg | why i have this error: (EE) AIGLX: DRI module not loaded ?? |
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| 00:15.12 | Eulex | wrg, because you need dri (basically, 3d acceleration) for aiglx? |
| 00:15.17 | jelly-home | Kage`: broke off at line 694 :-| |
| 00:15.25 | Kage` | ? |
| 00:15.35 | wrg | i have dri uncomment in my xorg.conf |
| 00:15.38 | Kage` | Well, shit |
| 00:15.42 | wrg | i'm using ati rage 128 |
| 00:15.53 | Eulex | wrg, how did you expect it to work then? |
| 00:15.54 | wrg | i have to write something in /etc/modules? |
| 00:16.19 | Kage` | jelly-home, http://pastebin.ca/802215 |
| 00:17.26 | jelly-home | Kage`: wc -l your-file is 1767? |
| 00:17.37 | Kage` | Pardon? |
| 00:17.40 | wrg | Eulex how can i resolv this» |
| 00:17.49 | Kage` | Oh |
| 00:17.58 | jelly-home | Kage`: how many lines does the file have? |
| 00:17.58 | Kage` | jelly-home, well, I ran that command as root |
| 00:18.02 | Kage` | Maybe your awk is wrong? |
| 00:18.23 | K_Dallas | Good evening folks! I am told but people from the ubuntu-marketing that there are no offical data and graph available for public but I was wondering if any of you guys has actually done some partial analysis about Ubuntu success compared to other distros and how it has positioned itself in the market since 2004? I would appreciate any help, link, etc thanks |
| 00:18.37 | Kage` | jelly-home, yeah, that pastebin shows 1767 lines, so I guess 1767 total open files, including mem |
| 00:19.14 | jelly-home | Kage`: I see the pastebin, I'm interested in your actual output file. Please do wc -l on it. |
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| 00:19.35 | Kage` | jelly-home, of my actual lsof output file? |
| 00:19.37 | Kage` | Ok, hold |
| 00:19.52 | Kage` | [root@konjou /home/kage]# cat lsof.txt | wc -l |
| 00:19.53 | Kage` | 1767 |
| 00:20.18 | joey[] | I get: journal commit i/o error; ext3-fs- error (device sda1); remounting filesystem read-only; sd 0:0:0:0 SCSI error return code = 0x000000 ... |
| 00:21.30 | jelly-home | Kage`: frankly I don't see a reason for too-many-files-open in there, it's rather conservative |
| 00:22.20 | Dwayne_ | Caemyr: |
| 00:22.22 | Dwayne_ | i have samba common 3.0.25a-2 |
| 00:22.22 | jelly-home | joey[]: does dmesg or /var/log/kern.log show any scsi errors? |
| 00:22.50 | jelly-home | joey[]: nevermind, you line does already. looks like hardware problems. |
| 00:22.52 | joey[] | yes |
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| 00:23.05 | joey[] | so, I should install smartmontools? |
| 00:23.19 | joey[] | what should I try to determine if it's hardware problem? |
| 00:23.29 | Kage` | jelly-home, should I make a user limit? |
| 00:23.33 | joey[] | (that system is installed under vmware) |
| 00:24.04 | jelly-home | joey[]: do you use dynamic disks? is the partition the vmdks are located on filled up? |
| 00:24.09 | wrg | How can i disable AIGLX? |
| 00:24.18 | Kage` | jelly-home, would it be a hard or soft limit? |
| 00:24.40 | Agiofws | K_Dallas, |
| 00:24.59 | jelly-home | Kage`: soft limit can be changed by an app (but they usually don't do that), so you need to change both |
| 00:24.59 | Kage` | jelly-home, would this work, basically? * soft nofile 12345 |
| 00:25.10 | Kage` | jelly-home, so both a hard and soft? |
| 00:25.18 | Agiofws | ubuntu is trying really hard ti be LINUX , PRETTY, EASY + money thats its success |
| 00:25.25 | jelly-home | Kage`: right. hard limit is the real limit. |
| 00:25.52 | Kage` | jelly-home, can I just set a hard limit, or do I need both? |
| 00:25.52 | Gekz | Agiofws: it still sickens me. |
| 00:25.59 | Agiofws | what does ? |
| 00:26.02 | Agiofws | ubuntu ? |
| 00:26.02 | Gekz | Ubuntu |
| 00:26.13 | jelly-home | Gekz: good thing it's not topical here. |
| 00:26.23 | Gekz | yay |
| 00:26.24 | Agiofws | well its the only distro i threw out of the window |
| 00:26.31 | Agiofws | Gekz, never used it ... |
| 00:26.36 | Gekz | lol |
| 00:26.52 | Gekz | well consider this, it tries to hide the fact that there's xfce or kde if you have "Ubuntu" |
| 00:26.55 | Agiofws | but i got my opinion high on it due to my touchpad |
| 00:26.58 | Gekz | if you install those, it's not happy. |
| 00:27.03 | joey[] | jelly-home: I dont have access to vmware host :-( |
| 00:27.13 | joey[] | how can I test if it's hardware problem? |
| 00:27.19 | joey[] | is there any way? |
| 00:27.21 | Agiofws | but never installed it in the end |
| 00:27.25 | Agiofws | why ? |
| 00:27.26 | jelly-home | Gekz: er, what part of "not topical here" is fuzzy? |
| 00:27.30 | Agiofws | what happens ? |
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| 00:28.14 | jelly-home | joey[]: your host _is_ your hardware. Consult your provider. |
| 00:28.28 | joey[] | thx |
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| 00:28.36 | jelly-home | joey[]: jel hostan kod nekog domaceg ;-) |
| 00:28.38 | K_Dallas | Agiofws, but how much of effect it has had on the number of people using linux |
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| 00:29.16 | joey[] | jelly-home: pozdrav i tebi ;-) |
| 00:29.18 | Agiofws | K_Dallas, whatever its spread and its linux so its GOOD .... |
| 00:29.21 | Jordanna | !tags |
| 00:29.23 | Gekz | K_Dallas: ~50% of Linux users are Ubuntu users |
| 00:29.31 | Jordanna | !aptitude tags |
| 00:29.33 | Agiofws | effect onlinux users a little |
| 00:29.38 | Jordanna | :/ |
| 00:29.41 | Agiofws | on windows users a lto |
| 00:29.41 | Gekz | give or take 10% |
| 00:29.44 | Agiofws | alot |
| 00:29.46 | Kage` | jelly-home, ok, I set a hard limit for * for 12000 |
| 00:29.47 | Jordanna | !aptitude |
| 00:29.48 | dpkg | from memory, aptitude is "the preferred program for package management from console. aptitude supports most command line operations of apt-get and has proven to be better at dependency resolution than apt-get." (4.0 Release Notes). A mostly drop-in replacement for apt-get. Don't mix use of apt-get and aptitude. See <why aptitude> <why not aptitude> <aptitude-fu>, http://tinyurl.com/2ebd4m http://tinyurl.com/2hw8nx http://tinyurl.com/2y783t |
| 00:29.53 | Kage` | jelly-home, reboot? |
| 00:30.03 | K_Dallas | Gekz, but has the total number of linux users increased considerable because of U? |
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| 00:30.05 | jelly-home | !tell Jordanna -about msg the bot |
| 00:30.13 | Jordanna | yeah, i know |
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| 00:30.15 | Jordanna | sorry |
| 00:30.21 | Agiofws | K_Dallas, you could say that |
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| 00:30.38 | K_Dallas | any data to back that up? |
| 00:30.45 | K_Dallas | i need it for a marketing class presentation |
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| 00:30.48 | jelly-home | Kage`: that would be the simplest way to do it, yes |
| 00:31.03 | Kage` | jelly-home, so reboot to take effect? |
| 00:31.10 | K_Dallas | i thought there would be lots of data with that regard but now, i am desperate for just one single number |
| 00:31.12 | jelly-home | Kage`: note that limits.conf only works for services that use pam |
| 00:31.14 | Agiofws | K_Dallas, just imagine if you DON"T CANT catch a virus thats about all you need to keep your system stable if you can do internet play music ... |
| 00:31.29 | Agiofws | and thats what ubuntu does + its easy to INSTALL + free |
| 00:31.47 | K_Dallas | Agiofws, i am familiar with linux strengths and beein using it intermittently for a long time |
| 00:31.51 | Kage` | jelly-home, how do I make it a global limit for all users, then? |
| 00:32.09 | Agiofws | so what are you looking for back up your case then |
| 00:32.10 | jelly-home | Kage`: all users that log in via eg. ssh will use those values |
| 00:32.28 | K_Dallas | but to present their marketing strategy and how successful it has been, i need some concrete data, info |
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| 00:32.55 | Kage` | jelly-home, what about those who don't? I mean, I su to games to run my games, does that count? |
| 00:32.56 | Agiofws | K_Dallas, you want succesfull in numbers? DO windows then |
| 00:33.01 | K_Dallas | lol |
| 00:33.08 | Agiofws | the whole world is using it and its trash |
| 00:33.13 | K_Dallas | i mean comparing number of linux users before U and after |
| 00:33.19 | Agiofws | you want stregthns of linux |
| 00:33.23 | Agiofws | there are facts |
| 00:33.24 | Dwayne_ | winbind: Depends: samba-common (= 3.0.24-6etch4) but 3.0.25a-2 is to be installed |
| 00:33.31 | Agiofws | just put then to the table |
| 00:33.31 | Gekz | is there a page about Debian's kernels anywhere? |
| 00:33.35 | Dwayne_ | how can i resolve this issue? |
| 00:33.36 | Agiofws | for example |
| 00:33.45 | K_Dallas | facts doesnt cut it, linux has been strong for a long time, even BSD is strong but how many are using them |
| 00:33.47 | Agiofws | germanyc is using openoffice ? |
| 00:34.14 | Agiofws | K_Dallas, www.distrowatch.com |
| 00:34.14 | Agiofws | ? |
| 00:34.15 | K_Dallas | Agiofws, i have seen such moves towards openformats and opensource especially in the government and army |
| 00:34.21 | Jordanna | can someone help me quickly: i need to know what the aptitude shortcut for tag filter is, and what the tag should be if im looking for a proxy server (nntp proxy specifically) |
| 00:34.39 | K_Dallas | Agiofws, distrowatch is the only place i know with some kind of data |
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| 00:34.55 | jelly-home | Kage`: su uses pam, so it works. |
| 00:35.21 | Kage` | jelly-home, ok |
| 00:35.27 | Kage` | Thanks for your help |
| 00:36.00 | jelly-home | Kage`: no, wait |
| 00:36.17 | Kage` | ..? |
| 00:36.21 | jelly-home | Kage`: you'll need to uncomment the pam_limits line in /etc/pam.d/su ;-) |
| 00:36.24 | Agiofws | K_Dallas, slashdot.org |
| 00:36.32 | Agiofws | and google will give meny data |
| 00:36.33 | K_Dallas | Agiofws, would you by any chance know if distrowatch offers historical data on the popularity of distros? |
| 00:36.48 | Kage` | jelly-home, hmm.. Can I just restart ssh to make these take instant effect? |
| 00:36.49 | expose | if i apt-get install foo which is alrerady installed as the dependency of bar, will it become a "first level dependency" and this will it stay installed after bar is uninstalled? |
| 00:36.59 | K_Dallas | Agiofws, right, i will search slashdot |
| 00:37.01 | Agiofws | K_Dallas, wikipedia |
| 00:37.04 | jelly-home | Kage`: for new ssh sessions, yes |
| 00:37.05 | K_Dallas | there are usually articles there |
| 00:37.55 | jelly-home | Kage`: please verify that "session required pam_limits.so" is uncommented in /etc/pam.d/ssh, too |
| 00:38.06 | jelly-home | I don't remember the default |
| 00:38.08 | Kage` | jelly-home, oh, it's uncommented in su |
| 00:38.41 | Jordanna | uhm if anyone could help me, i will be very thankful |
| 00:38.43 | Jordanna | :/ |
| 00:38.49 | Kage` | jelly-home, /etc/pam.d/ssh |
| 00:38.50 | Kage` | # Set up user limits from /etc/security/limits.conf. |
| 00:38.50 | Kage` | session required pam_limits.so |
| 00:39.14 | jelly-home | Kage`: if you restart your game server scripts (that use commands like su - bf2 -c stuff...) it ought to work, then |
| 00:39.27 | jelly-home | right, that's ok |
| 00:40.09 | jelly-home | Kage`: but, like I said, your lsof didn't show a real reason for that error |
| 00:40.38 | jelly-home | Kage`: could be an intermittent process, maybe a cron job or something |
| 00:40.50 | Kage` | jelly-home, only cron I have running is to rotate my logs |
| 00:40.59 | Kage` | And that's a whopping 10 or 20 files |
| 00:41.11 | jelly-home | logrotate is behaving nicely. |
| 00:41.16 | expose | doesn anyone of you know the answer to that question? |
| 00:42.12 | petemc | expose: it will if you use aptitude |
| 00:42.28 | petemc | expose: i mean, aptitude will intelligently remove deps |
| 00:42.39 | subopt | In a default install of Etch, what is the username and password i use to connect to postgresql via Tora? |
| 00:42.43 | Agiofws | apt-get aswell |
| 00:42.49 | petemc | in etch? |
| 00:42.50 | Kage` | jelly-home, oh, I also have a cron that runs every 30 seconds, checks the access log for ssh hack attempts, and adds them to hosts.deny if they break my rules |
| 00:43.11 | expose | and will a dependency become a "regular installation" if i specify it for installation although it has already been installed? |
| 00:43.53 | jelly-home | Jordanna: /usr/share/doc/aptitude/html/en/ch02s03.html says ~Gtag-regexp |
| 00:44.13 | Kage` | jelly-home, so I have my nofile limit set to 12000 for *, limits.so enabled in pam.d/su and ssh |
| 00:44.15 | Kage` | That good? |
| 00:44.21 | jelly-home | Jordanna: install aptitude-doc-en and rtfm ;-) |
| 00:44.35 | jelly-home | Kage`: that's overkill ;-) |
| 00:44.47 | jelly-home | Kage`: so I guess it's ok |
| 00:44.52 | Jordanna | oh well |
| 00:44.55 | Jordanna | its fine |
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| 00:45.14 | Jordanna | its too late now for me to learn, ill just shutdown the machine :/ |
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| 00:46.33 | Kage` | jelly-home, I'd rather overkill than keep hitting limits |
| 00:46.46 | JordiGH | Does df count superblocks when it displays all available blocks? |
| 00:46.58 | expose | I want to know which package cause the installation of another. which tool to use? |
| 00:47.05 | jelly-home | Kage`: it would be nice to find out the real cause, though |
| 00:47.06 | expose | caused |
| 00:47.09 | JordiGH | Because I happen to have df -h spit out that I have 3.6 available blocks and 3.5 used but not a byte to write on. |
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| 00:47.58 | JordiGH | expose: It's usually complicated, and you'll be sorry you asked, but you can try using dotty in the graphviz package. Then do "apt-cache dotty packagename > foo" and then run dotty on foo. |
| 00:48.23 | jelly-home | JordiGH: there's some % of space reserved for root on ext2/3 |
| 00:48.33 | JordiGH | expose: Assuming, y'know, you have an X server. |
| 00:48.34 | dvs | 5% by default |
| 00:48.53 | JordiGH | jelly-home: Superblocks, right? I would have expected that df not count superblocks as available space, though. |
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| 00:48.56 | jelly-home | JordiGH: no. |
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| 00:49.05 | jelly-home | JordiGH: real reserved space |
| 00:49.13 | JordiGH | jelly-home: For emergencies or what? |
| 00:49.28 | bloom | X.org seems to frequently emit a middle-click event when it wakes up from sleep. any ideas how to fix this? is this a known bug? |
| 00:49.38 | jelly-home | JordiGH: yes. And to make the fs behave nicely and not fragment files too much |
| 00:50.03 | expose | JordiGH: the issue is, i specified some packages after aptitude install which where already installed as dependencies. now i dont know, how the management handles them - as dependencies, or as wanted-by-the-user |
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| 00:50.28 | expose | JordiGH: and, in case it handles them as wanted-by-the-user, i want to change that back again. |
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| 00:50.55 | jelly-home | JordiGH: man tune2fs, -m, -r, -u options |
| 00:51.01 | fas3r | how to use 802.1q on network card ? |
| 00:51.10 | JordiGH | expose: If you specify them, then they're handled as wanted-by-user. |
| 00:51.28 | expose | no matter if they already where installed as deps, right? |
| 00:51.29 | jelly-home | JordiGH: can be changed even on mounted fs |
| 00:51.31 | JordiGH | expose: You have to flag them as "automatically installed" or not. |
| 00:51.40 | JordiGH | expose: Right. |
| 00:51.49 | expose | hm. |
| 00:52.07 | expose | aptitude show kdm says "automatically installed: yes" and still does so after i run aptitude install kdm |
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| 00:52.23 | expose | thats a contradiction with what you said... |
| 00:52.30 | expose | :-/ |
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| 00:52.37 | JordiGH | jelly-home: Oh, it's ok. I'll just apt-get clean after this run finishes. So what exactly counts as an emergency where the extra 5% can be used but I can't use it? Is reserved space then space that only root but users can't use? |
| 00:52.58 | jelly-home | JordiGH: if you're root, you can use it. |
| 00:53.06 | JordiGH | expose: If it's already installed and already automatically installed, then its status won't change. |
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| 00:53.36 | JordiGH | expose: If you want to mark kdm as manually installed... I'll race you to "man aptitude", eh? |
| 00:53.57 | JordiGH | Crap, I don't have enough space to unzip the aptitude manpage. :-( |
| 00:54.01 | expose | i dont want it to be marked that way, and i already read man aptitude. |
| 00:54.07 | dondelelcaro | JordiGH: unmarkauto |
| 00:54.12 | jelly-home | JordiGH: corollary: keep your databases and your /var/cache/apt/archives on separate partitions. |
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| 00:54.29 | dondelelcaro | (or m, in the GUI configuration) |
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| 00:54.43 | dondelelcaro | err, curses based interface |
| 00:54.46 | ale666 | hello :) How does it take for a subdomain to propagate? thank you. |
| 00:54.48 | JordiGH | jelly-home: Problem is, I don't understand how Debian setup the encrypted partition. Where is this documented? |
| 00:54.51 | expose | JordiGH: so "[01:50] <JordiGH> expose: If you specify them, then they're handled as wanted-by-user." actually isnt true. |
| 00:54.52 | grendal_prime | can anyone tell me does apache2 have ldap authentications? |
| 00:54.56 | dondelelcaro | ale666: depends on your ttl |
| 00:54.59 | jelly-home | JordiGH: no idea about that, sorry |
| 00:55.12 | dondelelcaro | grendal_prime: it can do ldap authentication |
| 00:55.18 | grendal_prime | i cant find a package for it other than ...well the /user-dir specific |
| 00:55.26 | ale666 | dondelelcaro: no more than one day?? |
| 00:55.26 | JordiGH | expose: It is if they aren't installed in the first place. If they're already installed, then trying to install them again doesn't change anything. |
| 00:55.35 | expose | JordiGH: since they where already installed as i explained, their status will stay "automatic: yes" and thus they're still seen as "dependencies" |
| 00:55.36 | grendal_prime | its just part of the...main apache2 package? |
| 00:55.48 | expose | good... |
| 00:55.55 | JordiGH | expose: dondelelcaro gave you the answer. "unmarkauto". |
| 00:55.55 | dondelelcaro | ale666: again, depends on your ttl, but generally quite a bit less than 24 hours. |
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| 00:56.08 | expose | well, as i said, i feared to unthoughtfully have *ed up my dependency relations... |
| 00:56.20 | dondelelcaro | grendal_prime: no, you'd presumably want libapache2-webauth or similar |
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| 00:57.04 | dondelelcaro | (you could also do more complex things using mod_perl or mod_python and authentication handlers if that wasn't sufficient) |
| 00:57.12 | ale777 | hello :) How does it take for a subdomain to propagate? thank you. |
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| 00:57.46 | dondelelcaro | ale777: again, depends on the ttl. See my previous answer to your question which has not changed. |
| 00:57.58 | ale777 | thanks |
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| 00:58.17 | JordiGH | In #debian Jeopardy, you must phrase your question in the form of a Debian question. |
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| 01:00.09 | bloom | X.org seems to frequently emit a middle-click event when it wakes up from sleep. any ideas how to fix this? is this a known bug? |
| 01:00.39 | dondelelcaro | bloom: X doesn't really know anything about "sleep" |
| 01:00.56 | expose | bloom: are you sure? i mean. you're mouse is okay and xev doesn show anything? |
| 01:00.58 | bloom | maybe it's a kernel bug? |
| 01:01.11 | dondelelcaro | bloom: so most likely you're seeing some issue with your mouse driver and what its doing when it comes out of whatever form of hardware suspend it's being put into |
| 01:01.31 | bloom | haven't tried with Xev yet |
| 01:02.47 | bloom | generates ButtonRelease events for all 5 buttons on wakeup |
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| 01:03.24 | dondelelcaro | could be some kind of debounce going on |
| 01:03.27 | bloom | generates a keyrelease event when putting the computer to sleep |
| 01:04.16 | Impiety | i know this is going to sound a bit weird, but i can't seem to figure out how to put a system tray on a panel in gnome |
| 01:04.16 | bloom | what's a debounce? |
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| 01:09.45 | bloom | well, it's the synaptics driver |
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| 01:14.19 | kgoetz | :q |
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| 01:34.57 | wrg | HOW can i remove totally gnome in my system? |
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| 01:35.28 | kgoetz | !remove gnome |
| 01:35.28 | dpkg | apt-get --purge remove libgnome32 libgnome2-common (or ask me about <install gnome>), or after removing those, run 'aptitude' and look at section 'gnome' to remove the rest. |
| 01:36.02 | elmo40 | did i go back in time? someone asked that not too long ago... :-\ |
| 01:36.07 | expose | Why does xserver-xorg-core cause xserver-xorg-video-* to be installed as non-automatic? |
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| 01:36.26 | elmo40 | non-automatic? |
| 01:36.45 | elmo40 | i prefer 6-speed... good options |
| 01:36.49 | kgoetz | elmo40: thats how i knew it ;) |
| 01:36.56 | stew | elmo40: did you install them with apt-get or aptitude ? |
| 01:37.05 | stew | err |
| 01:37.06 | expose | yes. they're installed as a "not-a-dependency-but-explicitly-wanted-by-the-user"-package |
| 01:37.08 | stew | expose: ^^^ |
| 01:37.19 | expose | stew: aptitude |
| 01:37.22 | stew | hmm |
| 01:37.28 | expose | on lenny. |
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| 01:39.29 | expose | and, furthermore, why does it cause xserver-xorg-video-* to be installed, but not xserver-xorg-input-* ? |
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| 01:40.18 | expose | both should be installed at the end due to xserver-xorg-core depends on xserver-xorg which depends on those packages |
| 01:40.57 | azeem | expose: then you likely had an xserver-xorg-input package installed already which satisfied the dependency |
| 01:41.02 | JordiGH | expose: aptitude treats recommends differently than depends. |
| 01:41.17 | expose | JordiGH: they're all depends. |
| 01:41.19 | JordiGH | No, wait, it doesn't. Never mind. |
| 01:41.54 | expose | hm. and - how is that handled anyway - xserver-xorg depends opon xserver-xorg-core and vice versa |
| 01:42.00 | expose | upon |
| 01:42.14 | dondelelcaro | expose: that just means that both must be installed together. |
| 01:42.15 | expose | i mean - which one am i as the user to specify to aptitude? |
| 01:42.21 | dondelelcaro | expose: xserver-xorg |
| 01:42.26 | expose | hm. |
| 01:42.38 | expose | and, where do i know this from? |
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| 01:43.02 | azeem | expose: you'd just install xorg |
| 01:43.05 | azeem | or the desktop task |
| 01:43.07 | dondelelcaro | expose: well, it really doesn't matter, but that's the more general package, purely based on the name. |
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| 01:43.13 | azeem | ... if you don't know |
| 01:43.31 | JordiGH | expose: Generally, you install the package with the shortest name. :-) |
| 01:43.36 | expose | azeem: those arent solutions. |
| 01:43.49 | azeem | expose: you seem to looking for problems |
| 01:44.15 | JordiGH | expose: If there's thepackage-foo thepackage-bar libthepackage-dev thepackage-dev and thepackage, then you install... thepackage. |
| 01:44.17 | expose | nope, i dont want to select the "desktop" task for instance, because it includes loads of software i'll never use. |
| 01:44.23 | dondelelcaro | expose: perhaps if you restate what the actual problem is, we can help you out. |
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| 01:45.42 | expose | my actual problem is: i dont know why all of those video drivers were installed as non-automatic, and why -input-aiptek for instance isnt installed at all, although i did aptitude install xserver-xorg-core |
| 01:46.11 | expose | (and thus aptitude install xserver-xorg) |
| 01:46.24 | JordiGH | Dude. The video drivers all together take up what, less than two megs? Is your hard drive space really that precious? |
| 01:46.38 | dondelelcaro | expose: all of the video drivers should have been marked as automatically installed unless they were installed previously. If they aren't, simply mark them as such. |
| 01:46.55 | dondelelcaro | expose: input-aiptek isn't going to be installed unless you ask for it specifically, because nothing depends on it specifically. |
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| 01:47.47 | sohmestra | what do I do when a kill -9 doesn't kill something? |
| 01:48.12 | dondelelcaro | sohmestra: what process are you trying to kill? what is the ps axfu output for it? |
| 01:48.23 | expose | ah, wait. i found why aiptek isnt in: xorg-input-all is _less_ than xorg-input :-) (only the latter includes aiptek) |
| 01:48.49 | sohmestra | dondelelcaro: I'm trying to kill X. It keeps (seemingly) randomly locking up. |
| 01:49.01 | azeem | expose: -input is a virtual package |
| 01:49.20 | JordiGH | sohmestra: Kill the window manager for that. |
| 01:49.33 | JordiGH | sohmestra: Er, the desktop manager. |
| 01:49.42 | stew | man. i have a bug that is probably caused by trying to use a library not 64 bit safe. and i really don't feel like trying to fix the library nor do i feel like moving all this currently flimsy code to a 32 bit platform |
| 01:49.43 | expose | azeem: yes, but i didnt suspect it to be a virtual package of more than -all... |
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| 01:50.02 | azeem | expose: you seem to be uninformed about what a virtual package is |
| 01:50.05 | stew | someone fix it for me plz, thx |
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| 01:50.29 | JordiGH | stew: File a bug report. We'll get to it. ;-) |
| 01:50.41 | stew | JordiGH: its for something i'm about to ITP maybe :) |
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| 01:50.52 | dondelelcaro | stew: pretty scary if it's a library that Debian actually distributes, because it has to be 64 bit ok |
| 01:50.56 | expose | oh...okay. virtuals are being provided. they dont provide. okay. |
| 01:51.17 | sohmestra | JordiGH: I've stopped gdm, but even when gdm was running, if I attempted to kill X, it should die and respawn, not just fail to respond. |
| 01:51.20 | expose | last thing remaining is, why input-all installs -synaptics without automatic set to yes. |
| 01:51.22 | dondelelcaro | expose: a virtual package does not exist at all. It's a fiction that other packages Provide: or Depend: upon. |
| 01:51.26 | expose | hm. |
| 01:51.26 | stew | dondelelcaro: if i didn't run into this problem i was going to ITP it |
| 01:51.42 | dondelelcaro | stew: yeah, wrote ebfore I read what you said |
| 01:51.44 | azeem | 02:42 < dondelelcaro> expose: all of the video drivers should have been marked as automatically installed unless they were installed previously. If they aren't, simply mark them as such. |
| 01:51.49 | azeem | expose: replace video with input |
| 01:52.00 | expose | azeem: my question is not how to fix it. |
| 01:52.08 | expose | my question is why it happened in the first place. |
| 01:52.13 | expose | i know how to fix it. |
| 01:52.17 | JordiGH | expose: You are spending more time on this than it's worth. I estimate that for your hard work, you'll save between 50 and 10 megs total. |
| 01:52.17 | stew | i'm getting a segfault right around a bunch of confusing pointer math, which is why i'm guessing its a 64 bit problem |
| 01:52.19 | azeem | expose: then I guess you'll have to dig through your dpkg.log |
| 01:52.25 | azeem | expose: or start debugging aptitude |
| 01:52.26 | azeem | *shrug* |
| 01:52.57 | expose | well...it might be aptitude did a whole lot more things wrong. |
| 01:52.57 | JordiGH | sohmestra: I don't understand your "even if". Sure, gdm is running, if you attempt to kill anything and gdm is still running, then your X server is still running. |
| 01:53.15 | JordiGH | sohmestra: Since you X server is a child process of gdm (or someone correct me if I'm wrong). |
| 01:53.17 | expose | and i strongly dislike misconfigured dependencies. |
| 01:53.38 | azeem | expose: but, 02:48 < expose> i know how to fix it. |
| 01:53.39 | azeem | \o/ |
| 01:53.44 | dondelelcaro | expose: it's kind of unlikely, since I've personally never seen that behavoir myself, but there are logs for aptitude and dpkg which you can use to backtrack everything. |
| 01:53.58 | dondelelcaro | expose: if you find a bug, reduce it to a replicable case, and file it. Someone will fix it. |
| 01:54.01 | JordiGH | expose: Dependencies are hotly debated in the Debian mailing lists. They could be wrong, but it's unlikely. Unless you really want to squeeze those extra 10-50 megs out of your hard drive. |
| 01:54.07 | expose | azeem: i know how to fix a wrong automatic-setting of a single packages. yes. |
| 01:54.33 | expose | dondelelcaro: i'm already on my way |
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| 01:55.12 | sohmestra | JordiGH: yes. that's the problem. X is still running - I am attemping to kill it. I assumed you were implying by "desktop manager" you meant my display manager (gdm). |
| 01:55.13 | bangers | how do i create a user account with a specific password? |
| 01:55.15 | bangers | kinda scripted |
| 01:55.17 | expose | JordiGH: i dont know where you got the idea from i am even thinking about diskspace consumption |
| 01:55.29 | bangers | like i know how to create an account obviously, but i have to create the same account 30 times |
| 01:55.33 | JordiGH | expose: Then why would you care if all the display drivers are installed? |
| 01:55.40 | bangers | so id prefer to have the commands in clipboard then just paste them in quickly |
| 01:55.45 | xoz | sohmestra: kill gdm and X will die |
| 01:55.47 | JordiGH | sohmestra: Kill gdm. That will kill X too. |
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| 01:56.27 | expose | JordiGH: damn, i dont. i care that they've been install as "automatic: no" although i did never specify them myself (i mean, i still remember what i did last hour, you know?) |
| 01:56.34 | xoz | sohmestra: ps axf .. it will show you X is spwned by gdm. and gdm will keep spwning X if it dies |
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| 01:56.42 | expose | and if you read your log - i said this for like 5 times now. |
| 01:56.48 | sohmestra | xoz, JordiGH: my problem is: gdm is stopped (ie, not running), and kill -9 $(pid of X), does not result in a killed X. |
| 01:57.07 | JordiGH | sohmestra: Stopped is different from not running. |
| 01:57.18 | xoz | sohmestra: ps axf... what's the parent of X? |
| 01:57.57 | tnks | if I have a script that gets a filename. Is there a quick way to get a full filepath relative to the pwd? |
| 01:58.07 | xored | malware acl condition: clamd: ClamAV returned /var/spool/exim4/scan/1Ixv8K-0002OC-S4/1Ixv8K-0002OC-S4.eml: Unable to create temporary directory ERROR... i get this when trying to scan mail with clamav...any ideas ? debian etch stable |
| 01:58.12 | JordiGH | expose: The video drivers don't need to be set to automatic because they depend on xserver-xorg. If you remove xserver-xorg, then everything that depends on it has to go too. |
| 01:58.42 | sohmestra | xoz: it has no parent, according to ps auxf |
| 01:59.14 | expose | ah, i see - so the "automatic" setting is set manually by the package developer, and not determined by apt-get/aptitude? |
| 01:59.21 | expose | that would explain things of course |
| 01:59.32 | sohmestra | JordiGH: ok, then gdm is not running. it does not show up in the process list. |
| 01:59.42 | JordiGH | expose: "automatic" is for packages that are installed in order to satisfy the process list. |
| 02:00.18 | xoz | sohmestra: is it running or in zombie state? |
| 02:00.57 | sohmestra | xoz: running. |
| 02:01.06 | expose | if i issue apt-get install foo and bar is a dependency of foo and thus apt-get installs it as well. will apt-get in any case set bar to automatic (given bar wasnt installed before)? |
| 02:01.24 | xoz | sohmestra: kill -9 pid can't kill it? |
| 02:01.40 | xoz | ok. dont answer that |
| 02:02.09 | expose | or does it have some heuristics to find out that automatic isnt needed if bar in turn depends upon foo, or does the developer has a way to specify such cases, or ...? |
| 02:02.56 | expose | have, not has |
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| 02:07.03 | sohmestra | i notice that Xorg's ps X line looks like this: 4872 00000000 00000000 00000000 - - Rs ? 41:20 [Xorg] |
| 02:07.56 | sohmestra | which is similar to all the kernel processes - stack pointer and EIP & ESP are all 0 |
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| 02:08.02 | sohmestra | for kernel processes |
| 02:09.06 | sohmestra | so I'm guessing whatever is happening is happening in kernel mode...though that's getting out of my depth, and is probably all wrong. |
| 02:12.31 | xored | malware acl condition: clamd: ClamAV returned /var/spool/exim4/scan/1Ixv8K-0002OC-S4/1Ixv8K-0002OC-S4.eml: Unable to create temporary directory ERROR... i get this when trying to scan mail with clamav...any ideas ? debian etch stable |
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| 02:14.53 | BlackMagik | How do i send data that is supposed to reach eth0 to eth1? or data over a specific port to eth1? I'm trying to test a module i'm writing. |
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| 02:15.15 | kalila | how would you tell the IP of the ypserver of the current network? |
| 02:15.32 | kalila | google is failing me |
| 02:15.43 | cTATUK | whatismyip.com ? |
| 02:16.07 | kalila | no, that gets my machine's ip, I don't want that |
| 02:16.43 | sohmestra | BlackMagik: a module for...in what language? |
| 02:17.39 | BlackMagik | in C it's for a course i'm taking |
| 02:17.50 | BlackMagik | so i'm doing this kernel module that pulls stats off eth1 |
| 02:18.01 | BlackMagik | since i can't seem to get it to use eth0 |
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| 02:19.58 | sohmestra | BlackMagik: you should be able to use iptables. if you DNAT, it happens before routing decisions, and should send incoming data to the iface with the IP you are DNATing to. |
| 02:20.46 | sohmestra | BlackMagik: I think. |
| 02:21.03 | tnks | hmm... 'readlink -f' seems to do the trick. |
| 02:21.55 | xored | which mail blacklist should / can i use ? |
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| 02:22.12 | BlackMagik | sohmestra: ok, i'll do some research on that |
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| 02:23.29 | kalila | no NIS pros? |
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| 02:26.32 | Azar | hello honorables!! |
| 02:26.53 | Azar | Is firefox getting fat/greasy/obese? YES!! |
| 02:27.17 | sohmestra | BlackMagik: something like this: iptables --table nat --insert PREROUTING --destination 4.3.2.1 -j DNAT --to-destination 1.2.3.4 |
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| 02:27.53 | Azar | ... so I am the lucky one sticking with a 2005 version |
| 02:27.58 | BlackMagik | sohmestra: ok, i'll give it a shot. thanks for the help |
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| 02:29.08 | mbroeker | BlackMagik, i think you can take a look at libpcap-dev. |
| 02:33.32 | D3v_ | hey guys |
| 02:34.05 | D3v_ | for some reason now ive removed my monitor from debian and im vnc'ing into it the max res is 600x480? |
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| 02:37.44 | sohmestra | is there any point at which I should see a process named "[Xorg]" ? |
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| 02:38.33 | sohmestra | this box just has gdm and X, but no Xorg process. |
| 02:40.58 | Azar | shogunx: Xorg is X |
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| 02:41.31 | Azar | err sohmestra I ment |
| 02:43.34 | sohmestra | Azar: you misunderstand me. I've got what seems to be a runaway process by the name of "[Xorg]" on box A. That process has no paralell on box B, which is also running Lenny, X, etc. |
| 02:44.32 | Azar | sohmestra: yea and I have one named Xfree86 |
| 02:44.54 | Azar | which runs as root too! |
| 02:45.12 | sohmestra | Azar: named Xfree86, or [Xfree86]? |
| 02:45.27 | Azar | free, no brackets |
| 02:45.42 | Azar | maybe a Xorg child stucked in your wilderness? |
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| 02:46.36 | Azar | well kill it see what gonna happen? |
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| 02:46.51 | sohmestra | Azar: I think the []'s indicate that it is a kernel process, but why there would be an Xorg kernel process is beyond me. |
| 02:46.56 | sohmestra | Azar: I can't kill it. |
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| 02:47.08 | Azar | sohmestra: maybe a Lenny thing |
| 02:47.25 | Azar | hmm they gonna put xorg in the kernel? interesting |
| 02:48.14 | Azar | possible I heard that future kernels will have drivers modules like video modules builtin |
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| 02:48.50 | Azar | as opposed to compiling Nvidia or ATI separately |
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| 02:49.01 | D3v_ | whats the command to configure x? |
| 02:49.25 | Azar | D3v_: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg (or xfree86 if you got that one) |
| 02:51.19 | D3v_ | i get |
| 02:51.20 | D3v_ | dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg |
| 02:51.26 | D3v_ | oops |
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| 02:51.42 | N0S3 | bieeeeeen pude hacer bonding...... |
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| 02:51.58 | wuwuwu | Hi is there a website to download opensource music please |
| 02:52.03 | sohmestra | !es |
| 02:52.03 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 02:52.10 | D3v_ | dpkg conflicting actions -e (--control) and -r (--remove) Azar? |
| 02:52.17 | kgoetz | wuwuwu: try jamendo.com |
| 02:52.22 | wuwuwu | thanks |
| 02:52.25 | kgoetz | !drxx |
| 02:52.26 | dpkg | To reconfigure your X server, run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg as root. If you're not using Xorg (sarge or earlier), dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86, and ask me about <xmd5sum> if you've changed XF86Config-4 yourself. |
| 02:54.30 | [vn] | yea jamendo |
| 02:54.50 | wuwuwu | kgoetz nice site thanks |
| 02:55.25 | N0S3 | I am so happy |
| 02:55.29 | N0S3 | with debian |
| 02:55.31 | kgoetz | wuwuwu: np. i found heaps there |
| 02:56.02 | D3v_ | dpkg thx |
| 02:56.03 | dpkg | THX (R), the next generation surround sound, developed by a George Lucas company. (mplayer is not certified), or just say "Thanks" |
| 02:56.20 | wuwuwu | kgoetz but we can`t download any song |
| 02:56.28 | kgoetz | wuwuwu: why not? |
| 02:56.43 | wuwuwu | oh yeah we can sorry |
| 02:56.55 | kgoetz | :) |
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| 02:59.49 | D3v_ | how can i restart x or do i need to reboot? |
| 02:59.54 | D3v_ | restartx |
| 02:59.59 | techrush | ctrl-alt-backspc |
| 03:00.14 | D3v_ | im vnc'ed into the machine that would just cut me off |
| 03:00.21 | techrush | oh |
| 03:00.23 | internat85 | so im up for suggestions.. i want to run both tomcat and apache on the same box, but i dont want to do any of the typical apache linking to tomcat or what not.. im thinking of sticking a proxy in front of it, that based on the URL passes the request to either apache or tomcat.. any recommendations on a light proxy server that would be able to facilitate this |
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| 03:00.36 | techrush | well wont restarting X cut you off no matter how you do it |
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| 03:00.43 | techrush | i mean the vnc session is tied into your xserver right |
| 03:00.50 | Xenguy | D3v_: why don't you SSH in instead? |
| 03:01.11 | D3v_ | i like gui :) |
| 03:01.13 | TheFearow | Is there a way to reset a root password? For some reason mine keeps giving me password incorrect (brand new install) |
| 03:01.24 | Xenguy | D3v_: very convenient too, isn't it =) |
| 03:01.33 | sohmestra | internat85: What about using Apache and ProxyPass? |
| 03:01.47 | D3v_ | techrush if i restart x it will restart gnome hence allowing me back in |
| 03:01.48 | internat85 | i was under the impression that ther is some performance issues with that |
| 03:01.57 | D3v_ | if i control alt backspace it wont restart |
| 03:02.03 | D3v_ | should i just reboot the machine instead? |
| 03:02.16 | Xenguy | D3v_: from the command-line you can just do: /etc/init.d/gdm restart |
| 03:02.17 | thomasg | hi. I'm using lighttpd with php5-cgi. now I need xml support in php5, what package do I have to install? I could only find php4-domxml, but nothing reasonable for php5. |
| 03:02.19 | D3v_ | performance issues with vnc? |
| 03:02.20 | TheFearow | Any ideas? |
| 03:02.32 | wuwuwu | kgoetz any artist you recommend? |
| 03:02.44 | D3v_ | how would i add vnc to auto start up under fluxbox ? |
| 03:03.22 | D3v_ | as it only starts under gnome |
| 03:03.23 | kgoetz | wuwuwu: i remember TryAd (Try^d), but not being at home i cant look at my playlists :| |
| 03:03.41 | wuwuwu | np thx |
| 03:04.11 | xored | while i have spamassasing installed, running, i cant get exim to check emails for spam...i can scan with clamav, but not with spamassassing, its like deactivated. Any ideas ? |
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| 03:05.51 | mbroeker | there are two different binaries on my system: X and Xorg. The first one comes from X11-common, the latter from xserver-xorg-core. What is the difference between both X-Servers? |
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| 03:07.09 | kgoetz | mbroeker: i think X is for compatability |
| 03:07.19 | tobias | is there any way to install the nessus client without all its x11 dependencies? i just want to generate html reports. thanks. |
| 03:07.20 | kgoetz | i note its 7.5kb vs Xorgs 1.6mb |
| 03:07.49 | mbroeker | kgoetz, try ldd /usr/bin/Xorg and /usr/bin/X |
| 03:08.26 | mbroeker | i am running the "compatibility" bin |
| 03:09.25 | kgoetz | tobias: no theres not. its only installing libs |
| 03:09.32 | kgoetz | that i can see |
| 03:10.36 | D3v_ | reconfiguring x did nothing to stop my max resolution in vnc being at 640x480 :( |
| 03:10.55 | kgoetz | D3v_: i would think thats a vnc setting |
| 03:11.06 | D3v_ | it never used to do it tho |
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| 03:12.03 | D3v_ | the only settings for vnc (for the server on linux) are confirmation/password/view desktop/control desktop |
| 03:12.21 | tobias | kgoetz: ok - thanks for checking |
| 03:12.21 | D3v_ | im sure its from when i unplugged the monitor |
| 03:13.02 | D3v_ | unless i could manually edit the libvnc config file if there is one? |
| 03:13.33 | kgoetz | tobias: have fun |
| 03:13.49 | kgoetz | D3v_: i dont do vnc, so cant really help |
| 03:14.00 | tobias | kgoetz: installing extra crud on my system? thanks ;) |
| 03:14.11 | kgoetz | hehehe |
| 03:17.37 | D3v_ | hmm |
| 03:17.56 | D3v_ | i need to install a network printer and it has a similar modal but not quite... |
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| 03:18.33 | D3v_ | hmm nvm |
| 03:18.41 | kgoetz | postscript :D |
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| 03:20.33 | D3v_ | im brand new to linux so that went over my head |
| 03:20.45 | D3v_ | im having trouble with samba though |
| 03:20.54 | bonez44 | D3v_: welcome to the party |
| 03:20.57 | D3v_ | a new update came through and failed to install |
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| 03:21.25 | D3v_ | ive just tried removing it but i get subproccesss pre-removal script returned error exit status 102 |
| 03:21.26 | D3v_ | ? |
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| 03:22.31 | sandman | Do any of those have a site manager? |
| 03:22.31 | sandman | Does Debian Etch support Microsoft's Dynamic Volumes? |
| 03:22.58 | cast | i'm guessing no, whatever those are |
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| 03:24.24 | rahul | sandman: MS usually publishes info in the knowledge base about interoperating with other OSes |
| 03:25.19 | sandman | kb.paragon-software.com/paragon/show.jsp?509 <== Microsoft Dynamic Volumes and Software RAIDs Support under Linux |
| 03:25.23 | sandman | Apparently there's a third party module... |
| 03:25.30 | kgoetz | sandman: iirc it keeps nuking the boot sector |
| 03:25.34 | Nyle | !penixstrike rahul |
| 03:25.34 | dpkg | A towering Penix descends from the heavens, knocking rahul to the ground and leaving a large wet spot. |
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| 03:27.11 | rahul | heh |
| 03:29.03 | Nyle | loved indicated past tense |
| 03:29.14 | Nyle | s/d/s |
| 03:29.28 | Nyle | token |
| 03:29.56 | Nyle | hey luhar |
| 03:29.58 | Nyle | msg |
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| 03:30.20 | rahul | I had token |
| 03:30.55 | stew | Nyle: no, that is present perfect tense, not past tense |
| 03:31.19 | Nyle | stew: wow, I should paid attention in english class 14 years ago |
| 03:31.32 | Nyle | stew: you actually remember that |
| 03:31.35 | Nyle | damn |
| 03:31.43 | Nyle | and you're older than I am hehe |
| 03:32.31 | DawnLight | crazy english |
| 03:34.09 | mmlj4 | using postfix, I keep getting "SASL authentication problem: unable to open Berkeley db /etc/sasldb2". I've specified 'MECHANISMS="pam"' in /etc/default/saslauthd ...What gives? |
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| 03:34.25 | stew | hmm, actually now i'm doubting myself. if it said, "Xenguy has always loved" it would be perfect, i'm not sure where it goes without the linking verb |
| 03:34.57 | spldart | query.... is there a log in debian that can tell me who was the last two users or last two times the machine was booted or logged into? |
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| 03:35.13 | Xenguy | stew: that statement is most emphatically untrue ;-) |
| 03:35.29 | stew | but yeah, when i was in HS, they kept on moving me back and forth between advanced english and regular english every other year, becuase i knew too much for regular english, but was unwilling to do the amount of work required for advanced english |
| 03:35.38 | kgoetz | spldart: 'last' |
| 03:35.52 | spldart | @ a prompt in terminal? |
| 03:35.54 | kgoetz | yes |
| 03:36.09 | stew | as a result, and due to the fact that i went to a tiny school, it had the strange effect of having me take english from the same woman 4 years in a row, and she was a grammar nazi |
| 03:36.23 | spldart | and that goes back more than one or in this case... cuz the rig is off... 2 or 3 logins/boots? |
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| 03:36.54 | kgoetz | spldart: |head -n 3 |
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| 03:37.21 | kgoetz | np |
| 03:37.42 | spldart | PS:... does that give times of login and logout? |
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| 03:38.18 | kgoetz | yes |
| 03:38.22 | kgoetz | try running it ;) |
| 03:38.29 | dvella7 | hey i got a question I just installed mad wifi driver from the synaptics download install manager my PCIMCIA card a dlink wna 2330 is still not reconized but its lights are blinking |
| 03:39.06 | spldart | very super sweet.. in windows on this rig right now but gotta go_too bed soon.... will reboot this rig in deb and try it |
| 03:40.22 | spldart | All my machines are dual boot xp pro/debian... Have to children calling the other liar on who logged in when... wanted to check a log that I wasn't sure if existed... :) |
| 03:40.31 | spldart | s/two/to |
| 03:40.39 | kgoetz | heh |
| 03:41.02 | kgoetz | spldart: not sure if that covers x |
| 03:41.09 | CaT[tm] | bugger me, sympa is complex. |
| 03:41.15 | kgoetz | spldart: look in /var/log/auth.log for all auth stuff |
| 03:41.17 | spldart | ooh... gdm/gnome.. deb etch |
| 03:41.52 | rdz | hi .. how to install a deb-package without resolving dependencies? |
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| 03:42.09 | charlesg3 | how do I ignore dependencies with dpkg? |
| 03:42.23 | rdz | charlesg3, hehe.. |
| 03:42.32 | spldart | echo |
| 03:42.51 | kgoetz | deja vu |
| 03:43.00 | rdz | spldart, is actually not an accident.. we talked in another channel about it |
| 03:43.08 | spldart | Ah :) |
| 03:43.13 | kgoetz | why do you want to do that? |
| 03:43.41 | rdz | because pd-extended has a lot of dependencies, but actually you don't need all of them in order to run in |
| 03:43.42 | spldart | ditto... |
| 03:43.43 | rdz | it |
| 03:44.07 | spldart | Seems... an unstable way to fly |
| 03:44.12 | rdz | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:44.22 | rdz | spldart, no, it is not unstable... |
| 03:44.46 | rdz | it doesn't crash, when a certain external doesn't find the library. it just outputs an error |
| 03:44.55 | rdz | and also only, when oyu load that external |
| 03:45.05 | dvella7 | hey i got a question I just installed mad wifi driver from the synaptics download install manager my PCIMCIA card a dlink wna 2330 is still not reconized but its lights are blinking |
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| 03:45.11 | rdz | pd-extended is a special thin.... it would take hours to explain all the detail.. |
| 03:45.30 | rdz | believe me, it makes sense in this case to not respect all dependencies |
| 03:45.32 | charlesg3 | I got it anyway, thanks (rtfm :) |
| 03:45.38 | rdz | ChanServ, |
| 03:45.39 | spldart | dvella7... have you confirmed chipset and update lspci? |
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| 03:45.42 | rdz | charlesg3, ah ok |
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| 03:45.48 | dvella7 | its a Atheros based |
| 03:46.16 | dvella7 | imma check now what model number of atheros |
| 03:46.20 | kgoetz | rdz: it has --ignore-dependancies type switch/s. man page can tell you more |
| 03:46.29 | rdz | kgoetz, thanks |
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| 03:47.10 | spldart | Your sure... I got burned on that recently... did a build though had to ignore m-a and build manual.. can't remember at this moment why |
| 03:47.45 | spldart | two atheros and one ralink here |
| 03:48.10 | dvella7 | Atheros AR5212 spldart |
| 03:48.59 | dvella7 | soo it shows up how do i get it up and running ? |
| 03:49.15 | spldart | A bit different chipset... You built madwifi? is the ath0 showing up... can you load the module? |
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| 03:49.44 | dvella7 | modprobe ? |
| 03:50.19 | spldart | ... well... madwifi correct? make.. then make install... then you should be able to load up the module.. modprobe or insmod |
| 03:50.33 | dvella7 | its installed |
| 03:50.45 | dvella7 | madwifi i just forget how to get it started modprobe something |
| 03:50.55 | spldart | so you can modprobe the module? du you have ath_hal and others showing up? |
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| 03:51.37 | dvella7 | it says modules not found for ath_pci and ath_hal |
| 03:51.43 | dvella7 | hmm |
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| 03:52.05 | spldart | you did 'make install' after the did the build on madwifi? |
| 03:52.27 | spldart | IIRC.. that should depmod -a for you automatically |
| 03:52.53 | dvella7 | yup |
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| 03:53.39 | spldart | You say you forget 'modprobe something' You've had it loaded once upon a time? |
| 03:53.58 | dvella7 | i had a usb adapter modprobe ____ |
| 03:54.08 | dvella7 | modprobe ndiswrapper |
| 03:54.27 | dvella7 | thats what i did for my usbadapter |
| 03:54.49 | spldart | I've never had to use ndiswrapper |
| 03:54.51 | spldart | sry |
| 03:55.12 | spldart | my atheros cards are pci |
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| 03:55.22 | DawnLight | can anyone help with a compile error? "/usr/bin/ld: miniwget.o: relocation R_X86_64_32 against `a local symbol' can not be used when making a shared object; recompile with -fPIC". full output of make: http://paste.debian.net/43803 |
| 03:55.22 | dvella7 | ndiswrapper is for usb wifi |
| 03:55.31 | DawnLight | not only |
| 03:55.32 | spldart | yep |
| 03:55.36 | spldart | and more |
| 03:55.47 | DawnLight | spldart: i have atheros |
| 03:56.04 | DawnLight | spldart: did you try madwifi? |
| 03:56.10 | DawnLight | !madwifi |
| 03:56.10 | dpkg | madwifi is a driver for wireless devices with an Atheros chipset. More information is at http://madwifi.org/wiki/UserDocs/Distro/Debian. To install madwifi drivers built against Debian stock kernels, ask me about <madwifi-install>. No USB devices are supported. NOT for AR5007UG (aka AR2624/AR5524) chipsets, ask me about <zd1211rw> instead. |
| 03:56.12 | spldart | Maybe you can help better... I have two pci atheros and 1 pci ralink |
| 03:56.32 | spldart | I've tried and had mixed results with stability with mad-wifi |
| 03:56.50 | spldart | I have had better results with atheros specific source |
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| 03:57.33 | DawnLight | my "Atheros Communications, Inc. AR5212 802.11abg NIC (rev 01)" is working perferctly |
| 03:57.49 | dvella7 | Dawn how did u get urs working |
| 03:58.02 | n3kl | Hi. Does installing a system on LVM2 take a perfomance hit? |
| 03:58.15 | DawnLight | dvella7: ahm... nothing special |
| 03:58.49 | dvella7 | i did a synaptic install of madwifi drivers for debian and i still cant see anything for my card its a atheros AR5212 |
| 03:58.57 | bucky | spaaashul |
| 03:59.17 | DawnLight | dvella7: firstly, don't use synaptics. use aptitude |
| 03:59.34 | spldart | currently running ath_pci on the debian portion of this rig.. modprobe ath_pci gets it started when it's not set to load automatically |
| 03:59.40 | CaT[tm] | n3kl: probably to some extent but I have lvm2 over crypto and still get 60mps from hdparm so it's probably not worth worrying about. |
| 04:00.12 | DawnLight | !madwifi-install |
| 04:00.12 | dpkg | madwifi-install is, like, ask me about <non-free>, then as root: "apt-get update ; apt-get install module-assistant ; m-a prepare ; m-a a-i madwifi". You should now have madwifi installed. Note: Atheros = ath0, NOT eth0. |
| 04:00.24 | spldart | ooopslly too drunk... on this machine I currently am running MAD_WIFI and it's doin ok |
| 04:00.38 | DawnLight | what dpkg sais is unnecessary |
| 04:00.41 | spldart | but I haven't always had the best stability with mad_wifi |
| 04:01.11 | DawnLight | oh sorry it is good |
| 04:01.19 | spldart | currently 0.9.2 |
| 04:01.23 | DawnLight | but use aptitude instead of apt-get |
| 04:01.36 | spldart | on my rig |
| 04:02.35 | DawnLight | madwifi-modules-2.6.18-5-686 1:0.9.2+r1 |
| 04:02.48 | DawnLight | that is the package m-a builds |
| 04:02.57 | spldart | yeppers |
| 04:03.14 | dvella7 | ok i did m-a a-i madwifi now its says BAD LUCK the kernal headers for the target kernal version could not be found.. And you did not specify other valid kernal headers to use |
| 04:03.28 | n3kl | CaT[tm]: on a / partition? |
| 04:03.29 | spldart | eek |
| 04:03.41 | DawnLight | dvella7: use aptitude to install the kernel headers |
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| 04:04.13 | spldart | thanks again all |
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| 04:04.16 | n3kl | Is there any reason that I would not want to install my root on and LMV. |
| 04:04.17 | CaT[tm] | n3kl: nope as I'd like to be able to reboot this box remotely. |
| 04:04.40 | CaT[tm] | n3kl: do you need to? |
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| 04:04.46 | n3kl | CaT[tm]: never used cypto before. Is that because you need a password? |
| 04:04.56 | CaT[tm] | n3kl: basically, yeah. |
| 04:05.46 | DawnLight | dvella7: linux-headers-2.6-* |
| 04:06.07 | dvella7 | yup im getting them now |
| 04:06.15 | dvella7 | 2.6.18.5 |
| 04:06.33 | DawnLight | dvella7: d'you have build-essential installed? |
| 04:06.50 | bucky | CaT[tm], i made an openvz template with sympa on it |
| 04:06.53 | n3kl | CaT[tm]: you are getting 60M/s on ATA or sata? Single drive or raid? |
| 04:07.06 | dvella7 | ok just finnished setting up linux headers |
| 04:07.09 | CaT[tm] | n3kl: sata, single. |
| 04:07.16 | CaT[tm] | bucky: how's it going for you? |
| 04:07.35 | bucky | i haven't tested it yet but it installed without errors |
| 04:07.39 | dvella7 | k im building madwifi |
| 04:07.54 | bucky | bucky, which i can't say for lenny |
| 04:07.55 | n3kl | CaT[tm]: cool, thanks for th tip. |
| 04:08.01 | CaT[tm] | bucky: I must be doing something weird then. |
| 04:08.14 | CaT[tm] | bucky: still, I got it going. Now I just need to wrap my head around its config. |
| 04:08.33 | bucky | no DBD is searching for the postgresql port |
| 04:08.45 | bucky | and theres' no where to define it |
| 04:08.57 | CaT[tm] | bucky: db_port from memory |
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| 04:09.10 | bucky | it makes the db with the sql file but the sympa user can't connect |
| 04:09.24 | CaT[tm] | bucky: hahaha. the reverse of my problem :) |
| 04:09.28 | dvella7 | i did a m-a a-i madwifi now it finnished saying setting up madwifi-modules at the end |
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| 04:09.48 | CaT[tm] | bucky: I manually made the db and tables and commented out the automation bit. then it worked well :) |
| 04:09.49 | bucky | CaT[tm], do you have anything against postgresql 7.4 ? |
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| 04:10.18 | bucky | CaT[tm], you ever use openvz ? |
| 04:10.29 | dvella7 | damn still no ath0 in iwconfig |
| 04:10.34 | CaT[tm] | bucky: mainly that it's well out of date and doesn't support certain things I like to use) (ROLEs support has been greatle expanded in the 8 series for eg) |
| 04:10.40 | CaT[tm] | bucky: nope. |
| 04:10.41 | bucky | ic |
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| 04:10.57 | CaT[tm] | bucky: so yeah. I'm using 8.3.5 |
| 04:11.00 | CaT[tm] | bucky: so yeah. I'm using 8.2.5 |
| 04:11.36 | bucky | so if i put db_port 5432 in sympa.conf it will accept it? |
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| 04:12.47 | CaT[tm] | bucky: it should. it should also use that by default |
| 04:13.03 | Faithful | How do I get env variables to be seen outside a bash script before the bash script has finished? |
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| 04:13.20 | DeadCPU | jion #freenode |
| 04:13.39 | DeadCPU | fr\reaking keyboard |
| 04:14.20 | bucky | maybe that's not why sympa couldn't connect.. but the error ended with host=localhost, port= usr=sympa |
| 04:14.20 | DawnLight | dvella7: go and read the documentation. /usr/share/doc/* |
| 04:14.30 | bucky | or something like that |
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| 04:14.37 | CaT[tm] | bucky: can't hurt to try :) |
| 04:15.11 | bucky | i'll try it.. but i destroyed my lenny template.. so maybe in a few |
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| 04:16.33 | DawnLight | can anyone help with a compile error? "/usr/bin/ld: miniwget.o: relocation R_X86_64_32 against `a local symbol' can not be used when making a shared object; recompile with -fPIC". full output of make: http://paste.debian.net/43803 |
| 04:16.44 | stew | Faithful: you don't. if i am understanding you correctly. what are you trying to do, exactly? |
| 04:17.10 | dvella7 | can someone help me i installed mad wifi .. my pcmcia card athers AR5212 is blinking i do a iwconfig ath0 doesnt show up whats wrong? |
| 04:17.46 | DawnLight | dvella7: does ifconfig -a show it? |
| 04:17.52 | dvella7 | hold on |
| 04:18.08 | stew | holding... |
| 04:18.11 | dvella7 | nope |
| 04:18.14 | dvella7 | lol |
| 04:18.22 | dvella7 | eth0 eth11 lio sit0 |
| 04:18.35 | DawnLight | dvella7: is the module loaded? |
| 04:18.44 | dalias | dawnlight, the problem is that the redhat assholes have a crusade against supporting non-PIC code in shared libs |
| 04:18.53 | dvella7 | i installed from synaptics and i did a m-a a-i madwifi |
| 04:18.59 | dalias | and so they made the amd64 linker intentionally broken so that it does not support it |
| 04:19.40 | DawnLight | dalias: i wish i knew what this means. can i... build this? |
| 04:19.55 | stew | something tells me that he isn't using a linker from redhat |
| 04:20.11 | bucky | i blame redhat anyway |
| 04:20.32 | Faithful | stew I am setting a variable in bashrc which runs a program at the end of it that needs the variable. But the variable doesn't seem to get set until _after_ bashrc is finished |
| 04:20.33 | stew | oh, against, non-pic |
| 04:20.33 | DawnLight | so can i do anything about this? |
| 04:20.34 | dalias | what are you trying to build? |
| 04:20.41 | dalias | stew, GNU binutils is from redhat |
| 04:20.57 | DawnLight | ahm... http://miniupnp.free.fr/. the client |
| 04:21.02 | dalias | faithful, rtfm export |
| 04:21.05 | stew | debian policy mandates -fPIC as well |
| 04:21.08 | dvella7 | dawnlight: How do u build the module , is it using the modprobe command |
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| 04:21.32 | stew | Faithful: are you exporting the variable? |
| 04:21.41 | DawnLight | dvella7: the module is built and installed already. you said m-a finished succesfully |
| 04:21.55 | DawnLight | dvella7: i asked whether it is loaded |
| 04:22.20 | Faithful | dalias: export doesn't have a fm... |
| 04:22.34 | Faithful | stew: yes I am exporting it |
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| 04:22.51 | stew | DawnLight: unless you have a reason not to, you should be compiling with -fPIC |
| 04:22.52 | DawnLight | export's manual is in man bash |
| 04:23.00 | dvella7 | it said at the end module-loaded |
| 04:23.10 | DawnLight | stew: oh. i thought PIC stands for something |
| 04:23.13 | CaT[tm] | there's also 'help export' |
| 04:23.37 | stew | DawnLight: position independent somethingorother |
| 04:23.43 | CaT[tm] | code |
| 04:23.55 | DawnLight | dvella7: lsmod shows loaded modules. you can run it thourgh grep to filter it. like lsmod | grep ath |
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| 04:24.25 | Rusty1 | Faithful: there is also #bashscripts, FWIW |
| 04:24.28 | stew | Faithful: can you show us the script so that we can talk about specifics? use a pastebin: /msg dpkg pastebin |
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| 04:24.35 | dvella7 | 1 pcmcia |
| 04:25.04 | DawnLight | stew: but... how do i make it so ld gets -f? the Makefile? |
| 04:26.28 | stew | DawnLight: -fPIC isn't a ld flag, its a gcc flag |
| 04:26.44 | DawnLight | dvella7: what? |
| 04:26.59 | dvella7 | for pcimcia line it said 1 |
| 04:27.05 | dvella7 | in lsmod |
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| 04:27.48 | DawnLight | stew: so do i put it in the makefile in CFLAGS = ? |
| 04:28.53 | dvella7 | madwifi-modules 2.6.18-5-486 already installed |
| 04:29.10 | DawnLight | dvella7: is your card a pcimcia? |
| 04:29.25 | dvella7 | yes |
| 04:29.30 | dvella7 | no |
| 04:29.36 | dvella7 | Dlink wna 2330 |
| 04:29.44 | dvella7 | is a pcimcia card |
| 04:29.52 | dvella7 | not usb |
| 04:30.29 | DawnLight | dvella7: check wikipedia for whatis pcimcia and tell me |
| 04:30.57 | stew | DawnLight: typically not |
| 04:31.00 | dvella7 | The Personal Computer Memory Card |
| 04:31.12 | stew | DawnLight: you are writing your own makefile? |
| 04:31.19 | dvella7 | its whats in the side of my laptop |
| 04:31.35 | stew | no, that is not what pcmcia stands for |
| 04:31.39 | DawnLight | dvella7: don't tell me what pcimcia is. tell me whether your atheros is a pcimcia card |
| 04:31.42 | bucky | dvella7, you have pcmciautils installed |
| 04:31.59 | DawnLight | stew: no, it came with the source |
| 04:32.08 | dvella7 | Dlink wna 2330 is atheros based chipset |
| 04:32.13 | dvella7 | AR5212 |
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| 04:33.18 | stew | DawnLight: CFLAGS might work. you basically need any .o's that might become pare of shared libraries to be compiled with -fPIC |
| 04:33.36 | DawnLight | stew: it worked. nice |
| 04:33.42 | DawnLight | thanks! |
| 04:33.57 | stew | cool, you're welcome |
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| 05:00.05 | miguel | Hi, my name's Mike from Argentine and I have a problem. I got a dedicated server at OVH. They provide a personalized version of kernel 2.6. And i want to install the official debian 2.6 AMD64 SMP kernel. The problem is when i tried to do it de dpkg answer error code 1. Can some one help me please. |
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| 05:02.18 | miguel | Hello, can somebody help me please. :( |
| 05:02.19 | CutMeOwnThroat | miguel: that's not so useful information... is the server running debian at all? |
| 05:02.31 | CutMeOwnThroat | nah, they're all asleep :) |
| 05:02.43 | miguel | can u help me? |
| 05:02.49 | CutMeOwnThroat | why didn't you use apt-get then? |
| 05:03.03 | cast | apt-get uses dpkg, eh |
| 05:03.03 | miguel | the problem is, the installation isn't official |
| 05:03.14 | CutMeOwnThroat | true |
| 05:03.19 | miguel | theu have a mirror with a personalized kernel |
| 05:03.20 | CutMeOwnThroat | well, did you use apt-get |
| 05:03.25 | miguel | yes |
| 05:03.33 | miguel | so, let me explain more |
| 05:03.45 | miguel | i've a control panel to select the distro |
| 05:03.53 | cast | aha |
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| 05:03.54 | stew | miguel: show us the actual command you typed and the actual output, use a pastebin: /msg dpkg pastebin |
| 05:03.59 | miguel | i selected "Debian Etch 64" |
| 05:04.07 | stew | oh |
| 05:04.29 | cast | why do they provide a custom kernel? |
| 05:04.49 | miguel | i dont know! they just let me this option |
| 05:04.58 | miguel | i can not ask for a plain installation |
| 05:05.07 | miguel | they compiled a personalized kernel |
| 05:05.15 | stew | miguel: when you say "dpkg answer error code 1.". can you show us the actual, full output? |
| 05:05.22 | miguel | yes |
| 05:05.27 | CutMeOwnThroat | and the command you used |
| 05:06.37 | miguel | http://pastecode.com/?show=m62ebac46 |
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| 05:09.12 | miguel | the line 583 a else of this if |
| 05:09.19 | miguel | if ("$vmlinuz_target" ne "$target" ) |
| 05:09.20 | CutMeOwnThroat | there should be a file /sbin/update-grub |
| 05:10.03 | miguel | wht? |
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| 05:10.29 | miguel | the problem is.. they are using lilo!!! |
| 05:11.06 | Traveler2 | heya, just installed debian, but it says "fatal server error: no screens found" how do I fix this? |
| 05:11.06 | CutMeOwnThroat | hm |
| 05:11.17 | CutMeOwnThroat | is there /sbin/update-grub on your system? |
| 05:11.37 | miguel | nop, i have not this file/directory |
| 05:11.49 | stew | Traveler2: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg |
| 05:11.50 | Traveler2 | it was 4.0r1 that I installed |
| 05:12.08 | Traveler2 | stew: that will fix it for me? |
| 05:12.11 | CutMeOwnThroat | if they use lilo, the kernel package shouldn't really try to use update-grub, which it seems to do |
| 05:12.42 | miguel | now i can see the problem. so, what can i do? |
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| 05:13.09 | stew | Traveler2: that will give you another attempt at answering the questions in such a way that you might end up with a valid xorg config |
| 05:13.22 | miguel | remove lilo and install grub? how can i do that with out broken my sistem? |
| 05:13.39 | Traveler2 | stew: ok thanks, will give it a try |
| 05:13.43 | stew | Traveler2: "no screens found" basically means "givin this configuration, i couldn't find a way where i could put the video card in some mode where the monitor would be happy" |
| 05:14.38 | Traveler2 | stew: I see, I am using a newer laptop with a nvidia geforce 8600m gt, could it be this card is not recognized given its newness? |
| 05:14.53 | stew | Traveler2: so it could be that the video driver is wrong or misconfigured and therefore it isn't generating a good list of available modes, or it could be that you specified incorrect monitor parameters, such that none of the available modes appear appropriate for your monitor |
| 05:15.07 | miguel | CutMeOwnThroat are ya there? |
| 05:15.22 | CutMeOwnThroat | yes |
| 05:15.23 | stew | Traveler2: it could very well be, the 'vesa' driver should always work, but possibly at a sub-optimal resolution |
| 05:15.41 | Traveler2 | stew, ok, thanks, will give it a try :) |
| 05:15.46 | CutMeOwnThroat | just wondering what could have caused that |
| 05:16.10 | miguel | jaja i think the ppl at AVH |
| 05:16.31 | stew | Traveler2: with a very new nvidia driver, you might end up needing to either live with a sub-optimal resolution, try to get a backported x server that has a newer version of the 'nv' driver, or use a proprietary, non-free driver from nvidia. |
| 05:16.48 | stew | silly java user |
| 05:16.54 | enouf | DawnLight: fwiw - http://gcc.gnu.org/onlinedocs/gcc-4.1.2/gcc/Code-Gen-Options.html (also, can be installed, if using non-free - i have pkgs gcc-doc and gcc-4.1-doc installed here - see /usr/share/doc/gcc-doc once installed) |
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| 05:17.53 | miguel | this is my lilo conf http://pastecode.com/?show=m6431eda8 |
| 05:18.18 | CutMeOwnThroat | well, it shoud call lilo and not grub if lilo is installed, but grub isnt |
| 05:18.44 | CutMeOwnThroat | I know it did when I installed that software RAID and had to switch from lilo to grub last weekend |
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| 05:19.12 | CutMeOwnThroat | interesting |
| 05:19.19 | CutMeOwnThroat | Package: linux-image-2.6.18-5-amd64 |
| 05:19.27 | CutMeOwnThroat | Suggests: linux-doc-2.6.18, grub (>= 0.97-3) | lilo (>= 19.1) |
| 05:19.35 | miguel | can i run apt-get install grub ? |
| 05:19.38 | CutMeOwnThroat | it's not even a dependency |
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| 05:19.47 | miguel | and apt-get remove lilo ? |
| 05:19.52 | CutMeOwnThroat | is lilo installed as a debian package? |
| 05:19.59 | miguel | mmm |
| 05:19.59 | CutMeOwnThroat | not really needed |
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| 05:20.02 | miguel | i dont kno |
| 05:20.09 | miguel | how can i know it? |
| 05:20.18 | CutMeOwnThroat | either grub and lilo can coexist or the packages conflict |
| 05:20.29 | CutMeOwnThroat | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:21.03 | miguel | ii lilo 22.6.1-9.3 LInux LOader - The Classic OS loader can loa |
| 05:21.39 | CutMeOwnThroat | ii == installed, installed |
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| 05:21.58 | miguel | shit! then what can i do? |
| 05:22.16 | CutMeOwnThroat | well, you can reinstall from that webinterface you have, can't you? |
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| 05:22.31 | miguel | yeap i can |
| 05:22.39 | miguel | but now i've a new image |
| 05:22.41 | simonrvn | o_O |
| 05:22.49 | miguel | i din't toch nothing |
| 05:22.59 | miguel | just i tried to install this kernel |
| 05:23.04 | CutMeOwnThroat | maybe the system is already unbootable... so you could just as well go ahead and install grub |
| 05:23.33 | miguel | i tried a reboot, and the system come back |
| 05:23.41 | CutMeOwnThroat | the problem is of course that at one time you'll have to test and see if ... yeah, if the system comes back :) |
| 05:23.49 | miguel | do u mean if u broke my system, if i can re-image this server? |
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| 05:24.06 | CutMeOwnThroat | me? I don't break anything |
| 05:24.15 | miguel | jajaj typing error |
| 05:24.16 | cast | and it was a dedicated server right, not a VM? |
| 05:24.22 | waltz | how can I check what version of Lua I can install? |
| 05:24.23 | miguel | i wanna wrote I not U |
| 05:24.23 | miguel | :P |
| 05:24.42 | CutMeOwnThroat | well, you can either install grub now or reinstall lilo |
| 05:24.44 | simonrvn | waltz: apt-cache show foo |
| 05:24.45 | miguel | this is a dedicated |
| 05:24.55 | tralala | waltz, apt-cache policy package |
| 05:24.57 | waltz | right, thanks |
| 05:25.00 | miguel | then |
| 05:25.02 | CutMeOwnThroat | oh, I thought it's a VM |
| 05:25.10 | miguel | apt-get --purge lilo apt-get install grub ? |
| 05:25.28 | CutMeOwnThroat | why is it running under vmware, if it's a dedicated server? or did I just hallucinate reading vmware somewhere in there |
| 05:25.29 | simonrvn | you'll need a semi-colon if you do it that way |
| 05:25.30 | miguel | nop, this is a full dedicated |
| 05:25.32 | cast | pretty flash having a http admin interface to install OS on a dedicated server |
| 05:25.41 | CutMeOwnThroat | oh, I guess I did :) |
| 05:25.57 | CutMeOwnThroat | just apt-get install grub should do |
| 05:26.00 | miguel | yes.. u dream :P |
| 05:26.09 | CutMeOwnThroat | or apt-get install lilo --reinstall |
| 05:26.22 | CutMeOwnThroat | if you want to stick with lilo... |
| 05:26.34 | miguel | ok.. i will try |
| 05:26.43 | miguel | hold on please :D |
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| 05:26.56 | miguel | (sory for my bad english) |
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| 05:28.56 | miguel | i cant do it |
| 05:29.15 | miguel | i still loking the same message about the kernel.. :S |
| 05:29.32 | simonrvn | cast: i hope you're being sarcastic |
| 05:29.47 | cast | no, i was being serious |
| 05:30.04 | cast | might be normal for you folks involved in it, but its flash to me :P |
| 05:30.15 | simonrvn | no, i find it repugnant |
| 05:30.30 | CutMeOwnThroat | for me, too :) |
| 05:30.35 | simonrvn | oops, the bofh got out again |
| 05:30.35 | CutMeOwnThroat | repungant? why? |
| 05:30.58 | CutMeOwnThroat | wonder how you do that |
| 05:31.18 | CutMeOwnThroat | hm, perhaps boot via bootp or something |
| 05:31.39 | CutMeOwnThroat | and boot into a system which runs the automatic installation |
| 05:31.44 | miguel | hey i got other error.. http://pastecode.com/?show=d77eea103 |
| 05:31.59 | CutMeOwnThroat | see, that's what we call "progress" |
| 05:32.04 | CutMeOwnThroat | :-/ |
| 05:32.08 | internat85 | anyone know of a very lightweight proxy that i can put on port 80 to forward requests for either tomcat or apache to the respective machines.. filtering based on hostname? so i can set which host goes to which machine? |
| 05:32.38 | simonrvn | to each their own. *i* wouldn't do that |
| 05:33.49 | internat85 | err simonrvn was that comment to me? |
| 05:34.08 | miguel | CutMeOwnThroat u still there? |
| 05:34.11 | simonrvn | no |
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| 05:34.46 | CutMeOwnThroat | why's the error different? |
| 05:35.21 | miguel | mmm, is smaller and is other.. i think |
| 05:35.25 | miguel | i reinstalled lilo |
| 05:35.27 | CutMeOwnThroat | Sais "Could not find postinst hook script [update-grub]."... |
| 05:35.43 | miguel | o yes.. |
| 05:35.45 | miguel | sorry |
| 05:35.57 | miguel | what u think? apt-get install grub ? |
| 05:36.03 | CutMeOwnThroat | try it |
| 05:36.07 | CutMeOwnThroat | why not |
| 05:36.12 | dotCOMmie | I built a software raid array using 8 500GB drives in raid5 configuration (no spares). I'm expecting to see 3.5TB array but mdadm says its 1.3TB. Anyone know why this is so? |
| 05:36.19 | CutMeOwnThroat | but I wonder why there is that additional warning there now |
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| 05:36.31 | CutMeOwnThroat | about /lib/modules/.../source being missing |
| 05:36.46 | miguel | mm i dotn know why |
| 05:38.12 | simonrvn | internat85: i'm finding squid 3 lightweight on a busy machine |
| 05:38.18 | miguel | uhhh. now it asking me to make a template about grub |
| 05:38.32 | simonrvn | blue screen? |
| 05:38.49 | internat85 | oh? does squid have a simple way of saying this hostname goes to this ip? |
| 05:39.09 | internat85 | basicly im looking for something to stick on my gateway, to redirect clients to my internal tomcat, or internal appache server as requied |
| 05:39.16 | simonrvn | squid is pretty flexible, i haven't played with it much but you got a buncha options |
| 05:39.39 | simonrvn | and extensive docs at their site |
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| 05:39.46 | CutMeOwnThroat | hm, I had that... update-grub? |
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| 05:40.12 | simonrvn | internat85: i don't see why it couldn't handle that |
| 05:40.16 | miguel | yes |
| 05:40.18 | miguel | now i've |
| 05:40.37 | miguel | but... apt-get are asking me to create a template |
| 05:40.50 | CutMeOwnThroat | did you run update-grub? |
| 05:40.55 | simonrvn | miguel: you getting a blue screen? |
| 05:40.56 | miguel | nop |
| 05:41.00 | miguel | should I ? |
| 05:41.03 | CutMeOwnThroat | yes |
| 05:41.13 | CutMeOwnThroat | you need a menu.lst file |
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| 05:41.50 | miguel | mm |
| 05:41.50 | miguel | i've!!!! |
| 05:42.39 | miguel | Exelent!! apt-get finished with no errors! |
| 05:42.49 | miguel | how can i put grub into de MBR? |
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| 05:43.06 | simonrvn | miguel: just wondering |
| 05:43.08 | miguel | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:43.22 | simonrvn | should have already |
| 05:43.29 | CutMeOwnThroat | grub-install, yes |
| 05:43.46 | miguel | simon.. nop.. |
| 05:43.57 | CutMeOwnThroat | but installing the kernel should call that anyways |
| 05:44.03 | CutMeOwnThroat | that's why you got the error previously |
| 05:44.24 | miguel | what u think doctor? is time to reboot? :P |
| 05:45.01 | CutMeOwnThroat | no! |
| 05:45.08 | CutMeOwnThroat | definitely cross your fingers 1st ;) |
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| 05:45.25 | miguel | jaja |
| 05:45.26 | miguel | ok |
| 05:45.32 | cmdln | good evening |
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| 05:46.04 | cmdln | does anyone know how I might specify an identity file for sshfs when combined with autofs? |
| 05:46.22 | cmdln | I cant seem to construct a proper autofs line that uses identityfile |
| 05:47.05 | miguel | the system boot |
| 05:47.15 | miguel | but my uname -a dont show changes..:( |
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| 05:50.21 | CutMeOwnThroat | could try grub-set-default or check in /boot/grub/menu.lst what is bootet 1st (default X) |
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| 05:51.33 | miguel | just the new kernel |
| 05:51.55 | miguel | but i think the grub is not installed into my _MBR |
| 05:51.59 | CutMeOwnThroat | maybe |
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| 05:53.02 | miguel | can i edit the lilo conf.. and put the new image there.. |
| 05:53.18 | miguel | image=/boot/bzImage-2.6.21.5-xxxx-grs-ipv4-64 |
| 05:53.27 | CutMeOwnThroat | I thought it didn't work with lilo |
| 05:53.55 | miguel | why not? |
| 05:54.32 | miguel | and then run lilo to make the canges to the MBR |
| 05:55.12 | CutMeOwnThroat | ah, here |
| 05:55.37 | CutMeOwnThroat | grub --device-map=/boot/grub/device.map |
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| 05:55.59 | miguel | should i run this? u mean? |
| 05:56.08 | CutMeOwnThroat | then from that menu root(hd0,0) and (in the next line) setup(hd0) |
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| 05:56.34 | CutMeOwnThroat | compare to your menu.lst, though, if root is really on hd(0,0) |
| 05:57.02 | miguel | i ran this.. and this provide me a shell... |
| 05:57.04 | CutMeOwnThroat | but it seems to me, if you tell grub to "setup(hd0)", that it would install the stuff into the MBR |
| 05:57.22 | miguel | did u mean sda ? |
| 05:57.23 | CutMeOwnThroat | else, it should logically be something like "setup(hd0,0) |
| 05:57.27 | miguel | or md1 ? |
| 05:57.31 | CutMeOwnThroat | heh |
| 05:57.38 | CutMeOwnThroat | no |
| 05:57.49 | CutMeOwnThroat | I think not |
| 05:58.08 | CutMeOwnThroat | the devices are actually sda and later md0, but the command is like that |
| 05:58.17 | miguel | ok |
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| 05:58.29 | CutMeOwnThroat | I think hd0 just means "1st detected harddisk" |
| 05:58.43 | miguel | i wiil put setup(hd0,0) on that shell, right? |
| 05:58.50 | nvz | !seen sgeigerbot |
| 05:58.50 | dpkg | sgeigerbot <n=user@h460ddd42.area2.spcsdns.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 25d 23h 17m 27s ago, saying: 'wols_: check it out.'. |
| 05:58.56 | CutMeOwnThroat | yes, after you called grub |
| 05:59.01 | miguel | ok |
| 05:59.44 | miguel | error 27: unrecognized command |
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| 05:59.57 | nvz | trying to remember how many years its been since I tested this program |
| 06:00.11 | nvz | the person I tested it with isnt here :P |
| 06:00.27 | nvz | oh well.. I'll see him eventually |
| 06:01.03 | CutMeOwnThroat | miguel: did you do root (hd0,0) before the setup? |
| 06:01.26 | GhostlyDeath | These OSD Messages with XChat-GNOME are getting annoying |
| 06:01.50 | CutMeOwnThroat | you can see the commands here: http://xtronics.com/reference/SATA-RAID-debian-for-2.6.html (thats why I remember what to do - did it last weekend when installing the RAID) |
| 06:02.05 | CutMeOwnThroat | search for "grub --device" on that page |
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| 06:02.38 | miguel | mmm cmo.. i didnt installed the raid.. |
| 06:02.50 | CutMeOwnThroat | I didnt say that |
| 06:02.52 | miguel | it came with the installation |
| 06:03.04 | CutMeOwnThroat | just that's where I got these grub commands from |
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| 06:03.23 | CutMeOwnThroat | and you can look them up at that page... |
| 06:03.39 | CutMeOwnThroat | so did you do root (hd0,0) before the setup? |
| 06:04.44 | miguel | nop |
| 06:04.45 | miguel | hey |
| 06:04.56 | CutMeOwnThroat | well, setup doesnt work without a root |
| 06:05.09 | CutMeOwnThroat | so, its past midnight |
| 06:05.11 | miguel | i think the problem is.. because i've not installed mdadm |
| 06:05.15 | CutMeOwnThroat | and /me is going home now |
| 06:05.38 | miguel | Installation finished. No error reported. |
| 06:05.47 | miguel | ok |
| 06:05.50 | miguel | thankz.. |
| 06:05.58 | miguel | anyway.. here is 3.05 aM!!! |
| 06:06.03 | miguel | i will die tomorrow! |
| 06:06.06 | CutMeOwnThroat | well |
| 06:06.13 | CutMeOwnThroat | I'm trying to fix my broken sleeping habits |
| 06:06.19 | miguel | could be cool if can give me your msn :D |
| 06:06.20 | CutMeOwnThroat | and will probably still read at least 1 hour |
| 06:06.23 | CutMeOwnThroat | out of habit... |
| 06:06.31 | miguel | if not.. is ok.. |
| 06:06.32 | miguel | ;) |
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| 06:06.38 | CutMeOwnThroat | I don't have one |
| 06:06.44 | CutMeOwnThroat | hm |
| 06:07.00 | CutMeOwnThroat | prolly east a little bit 1st, though |
| 06:07.03 | miguel | anyother messenger? :O |
| 06:07.18 | CutMeOwnThroat | irc :) |
| 06:07.23 | miguel | jaja |
| 06:07.31 | miguel | ok.. no problem |
| 06:07.36 | miguel | thx for all!!! |
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| 06:07.48 | miguel | thx from ARG ;) |
| 06:08.36 | miguel | it work.. |
| 06:08.46 | miguel | now i've the kernel i wont |
| 06:08.49 | miguel | thx a lot |
| 06:09.10 | CutMeOwnThroat | you can leave people botmail via dpkg, btw |
| 06:09.28 | miguel | yes |
| 06:09.48 | CutMeOwnThroat | ok, great |
| 06:11.09 | ryty | what's the X app that lets you see which character is being input to X? |
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| 06:13.07 | CutMeOwnThroat | hm |
| 06:13.15 | CutMeOwnThroat | I thought xkb...something |
| 06:13.30 | CutMeOwnThroat | xev? |
| 06:13.49 | CutMeOwnThroat | yes, how about xev? |
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| 06:25.23 | netgear | how does one add iso's mounted as loop to update repositories? and how does one know if its stable or even if its sarge or not im using debian 4.0 r1 now |
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| 06:27.56 | cahoot | the iso's name might be a clue? |
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| 06:28.13 | netgear | no its not |
| 06:28.34 | netgear | mainly just Debiani386_4.0r1-Bin1.iso etc |
| 06:29.01 | netgear | how do i know if its sarge or whatever? |
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| 06:30.05 | cmdln | debian 4 is etch |
| 06:30.23 | netgear | 4 as in the whole 4xx range? |
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| 06:30.43 | cmdln | yeh |
| 06:30.53 | cmdln | 3 was sarge |
| 06:30.57 | netgear | ok and etch is stable or untested? |
| 06:31.03 | cmdln | currently etch is stable |
| 06:31.04 | netgear | i need to add that info as well |
| 06:31.11 | netgear | ok |
| 06:31.21 | h3xis | 3 was woody |
| 06:31.26 | cmdln | oh |
| 06:31.28 | h3xis | 3.1 was sarge |
| 06:31.38 | cmdln | well 4.0 is etch then |
| 06:31.40 | cmdln | srry |
| 06:31.49 | cmdln | lenny is currently testing |
| 06:32.36 | netgear | should i be confused, because i am, so your still sure 4.0 r1 is etch and stable? |
| 06:32.46 | cmdln | yes |
| 06:33.08 | cmdln | lenny is testing |
| 06:33.10 | cmdln | sid is unstable |
| 06:33.19 | netgear | ok |
| 06:34.06 | netgear | anyone ever moved up to a newer kernel? |
| 06:34.13 | cahoot | netgear: else mount the iso and read /etc/debian_version |
| 06:34.19 | lhadji | if i install etch 4.0r0 and update/upgrade through aptitude, does that differ from 4.0r1? |
| 06:34.23 | cast | netgear: once, i heard of such a person |
| 06:34.34 | cmdln | cast im not so sure about that |
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| 06:34.55 | cmdln | ;) |
| 06:36.26 | netgear | anyone here use 3g pc card for internet? |
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| 07:00.46 | kenboo | where 32bit executables should be placed on amd64 debian? |
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| 07:01.06 | kenboo | at /emul/ia32-linux/usr/bin ? or just /usr/bin ? |
| 07:01.33 | kenboo | 32bit lib is certainly /emul/ia32-linux/usr/lib |
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| 07:14.16 | daya | is there any alternative idea to block p2p traffic |
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| 07:22.58 | tralala | daya, that's the beauty of p2p traffic - you can't block it |
| 07:23.29 | drc | daya: you can try blocking the ports popular p2p softwares use |
| 07:23.53 | drc | you can get rid of torrents also with some packet shaping stuff or something, I haven't really looked into that |
| 07:24.00 | tralala | you mean, those default ports that users have the option to change at any time? |
| 07:24.03 | daya | tralala, hm, But It can be blocked |
| 07:24.08 | drc | but you can't ofc block it if they use https tracker |
| 07:24.11 | daya | drc, yes,But,quite a range of ports, |
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| 07:24.26 | smiler | you just need to move the filter to layer 7 |
| 07:24.34 | daya | drc, oh, |
| 07:24.50 | daya | drc, but some claim the software to block it, how they did it, |
| 07:24.59 | daya | drc, such as for limewire and kaza |
| 07:26.01 | drc | there are ways, I'm just unaware of them all |
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| 07:27.11 | tralala | Content filtering (in any form) has never worked 100%. Not even close. |
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| 07:28.48 | SpeedyG | Hi, i've got a problem with my iptables logs, it keeps logging everything to the current terminal instead of the logfile I pointed it to in syslog.conf |
| 07:28.55 | drc | http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/562 |
| 07:29.00 | SpeedyG | anyone know what i'm doing wrong? |
| 07:29.16 | drc | daya: check that link out |
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| 07:29.38 | jmazaredo_ | can anyone help me on this http://pastebin.com/f5f5107f8 |
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| 07:30.09 | drc | http://l7-filter.sourceforge.net/ maybe this will help also |
| 07:31.19 | SpeedyG | i've heard someth about it being more a debian issue, than a syslog/iptables issue |
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| 07:36.41 | daya | drc, ok thanks |
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| 07:36.59 | squisher | anyone here that uses nfs? I just reinstalled my client, and I get permission denied - even though the perms are ok |
| 07:37.33 | SpeedyG | i'm using nfs, it works, but thats about it |
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| 07:38.00 | squisher | SpeedyG: :-) mine _used_to_ work too |
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| 07:38.18 | daya | drc, any alternative to ipscan in linux, I am using ntop to scan and monitor BW |
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| 07:38.49 | squisher | I don't get it, first idmapd didn't resolv the ids because I hadn't set it up for the correct domain. Now it resolves, the group & user ids match on server and client, but I still can't access my directory |
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| 07:42.13 | SpeedyG | hm, but there's nobody who can help me with my issue? :( |
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| 07:43.50 | streuner | !repeat |
| 07:43.50 | dpkg | Please don't immediately repeat your question if no one answers it. If no one answers, that means that either no one knows the answer to your question, no one is willing to answer it, or you haven't provided enough information. Ask me about <ask> or <sicco> if you need help phrasing your question. If you don't get an answer here, go ahead and try asking your question on debian-user@lists.debian.org |
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| 07:45.36 | SpeedyG | anyone know what i'm doing wrong? |
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| 07:45.41 | SpeedyG | Hi, i've got a problem with my iptables logs, it keeps logging everything to the current terminal instead of the logfile I pointed it to in syslog.conf |
| 07:45.57 | squisher | SpeedyG: IMHO try syslog-ng |
| 07:46.08 | SpeedyG | and somehow, after doing the 'syslog terminal' thingy dpkg has, it's not logging anything anymore |
| 07:46.25 | streuner | !printk |
| 07:46.25 | dpkg | i heard printk console is see docs for sysctl and set kernel.printk to 3 4 1 7 or so. You can also use 'dmesg -n1' command. If you want to know what those numbers mean, see the file Documentation/filesystems/proc.txt in your kernel sources. |
| 07:46.31 | SpeedyG | yeah, that one |
| 07:46.42 | SpeedyG | after doing that, it's not logging anything at all :| |
| 07:46.54 | SpeedyG | even tho syslog.conf seems to be setup correctly |
| 07:46.58 | squisher | SpeedyG: with syslog-ng look at /etc/default/syslog-ng, on my firewall I set CONSOLE_LOG_LEVEL=5 |
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| 07:47.23 | kenboo | where is gtk.immmodules in amd64 debian? |
| 07:47.37 | streuner | !search |
| 07:47.37 | dpkg | hmm... search is try 'apt-cache search <regex>', if you want to know what package owns a file use dpkg -S /bin/foo. To find a package based on what files it includes use 'aptitude install apt-file;apt-file update;apt-file search foo'. Use http://packages.debian.org if you're not on a debian system. /msg <bot> find <thing> if you're already here. /msg <bot> listkeys <thing> to find factoids containing <thing>. see http://wiki.debian.org/WhereIsIt |
| 07:48.02 | kenboo | no hit |
| 07:48.41 | kenboo | as for 32bit version ia32-libs-gtk provides /etc/gtk-2.0/gtk.immodules.32 |
| 07:48.53 | squisher | hmm, so certain groups are recognized on the client, others are not :-( |
| 07:49.29 | squisher | are linux groups specified anywhere else but in /etc/group...? (I'm pretty sure they're not, just trying to make sure...) |
| 07:49.57 | squisher | ah, what the heck is gshadow? |
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| 07:50.17 | SpeedyG | squisher: hm, syslog-ng being a new package on the system? because I want to keep the number of packages as low as possible |
| 07:50.35 | squisher | SpeedyG: well, syslog-ng replaces syslog... |
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| 07:50.39 | cast | i use ulogd for iptables logging [to a file] |
| 07:50.41 | SpeedyG | and, should it be kern.warn or kern.warning in syslog.conf? |
| 07:51.53 | kenboo | streuner, i found it. the name has been changed to something completely different. /usr/lib/gtk-2.0/2.10.0/immodule-files.d/libgtk2.0-0.immodules |
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| 07:56.00 | zmotok | hey guys, any idea on when 2.6.23 will hit sid? |
| 07:56.36 | streuner | wir |
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| 07:57.16 | zmotok | wir? |
| 07:57.21 | streuner | !wir |
| 07:57.22 | dpkg | wir is, like, When It's Ready. See also RSN and SIYH |
| 07:57.31 | zmotok | ah |
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| 07:58.35 | zmotok | okay, thanks |
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| 08:30.23 | Patrick2 | Where can I find some up-to-date stats on the market share of Debian ? Can netcraft provide graphs by Linux OS ? The only thing I could find via Google was this (but out-to-date) http://news.netcraft.com/archives/2004/01/28/debian_fastest_growing_linux_distribution.html |
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| 08:30.48 | Patrick2 | out-to-date should be "out-of-date" |
| 08:30.50 | cast | linux is a kernel |
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| 08:31.53 | d0ug | Hi. Trying to configure postfix, question about netblocks. On the client side I have a dynamic ip that changes 123.321.xxx.xxx where the Xs are random three digit numbers. What can I specify to cover that? 123.321.0.0/32? |
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| 08:40.09 | cizra | Hi there |
| 08:40.15 | cizra | There's a bug in the documentation: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/apds03.html.en |
| 08:40.20 | icekold | d0ug: 123.321.0.0/16 |
| 08:40.21 | cizra | In this section, $ symbolizes a command to be entered in the user's current system, while # refers to a command entered in the Debian chroot. |
| 08:40.32 | cizra | However, all the commands are nevertheless marked as #. |
| 08:40.42 | d0ug | icekold: thanks man. |
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| 08:48.54 | jmazaredo_ | can anyone help me on this http://pastebin.com/m7f5efa9d |
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| 08:49.03 | dimir | Moin! |
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| 08:49.51 | streuner | jmazaredo_: /topic |
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| 08:54.57 | Crypticfortune | i don't know if this is the right place to ask, but maybe... What's a reasonably portable (say safe in debian + bsd/macosx) way of getting shared memory between processes? any existing frameworks out there? |
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| 08:59.43 | DawnLight | Crypticfortune: try #programming or #c |
| 09:00.00 | Crypticfortune | DawnLight: good plan... |
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| 09:11.03 | Patrick-- | Hey, has anyone had any experience with packing debian packages? |
| 09:11.40 | narayan | fgggfhgfhjj |
| 09:12.44 | cast | !nmg |
| 09:12.45 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, nmg is Debian New Maintainers' Guide, Debian Policy Manual and Debian Developer's Reference are the documents you need to read, in that order, to make packages for the Debian project. http://www.debian.org/devel/ |
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| 09:14.45 | johndoe | is it possible to install firefox on debian |
| 09:14.52 | su13 | Hi guys. Could someone please explain one thing to me.. The question is, whether i386 binary debian compilation shows the same performance on 32 bit and 64 bit processors? |
| 09:15.01 | cast | johndoe: yes. its called iceweasel |
| 09:15.10 | johndoe | its bs |
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| 09:15.24 | johndoe | im having problems with it |
| 09:15.30 | johndoe | imo - bad idea |
| 09:15.37 | cast | johndoe: ....well, that's firefox. |
| 09:15.49 | wols | johndoe: it is possible but no business of #debian |
| 09:15.55 | johndoe | cast: i cant install flash on it, i cant install some extensions, ... |
| 09:15.56 | wols | johndoe: what problems btw? |
| 09:16.06 | su13 | |I mean there are i386, ia64 and amd64 bin compilations.. The latter one goes rigth with AMD processors, while the second is just right for Itanium one |
| 09:16.19 | wols | johndoe: that is wrong. flash works fine on iceweasel? where do you get your flash plugin? |
| 09:16.28 | johndoe | nowhere, i cant find it |
| 09:16.42 | su13 | johndoe: it's pretty obvious to me, that it doesn't really matter, which distro you use |
| 09:16.55 | narayan | jkhhjkjkklllkhjklho |
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| 09:16.56 | wols | su13: it's a question of the hardware. not debian. but they are of the same speed |
| 09:17.11 | wols | !tell johndoe about lfash |
| 09:17.16 | wols | !tell johndoe about flash |
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| 09:17.33 | wols | johndoe: flash is proprietary so it can't be in debian main |
| 09:17.44 | su13 | wols: listen, is there any i386-64.. I have not seen that |
| 09:17.57 | wols | su13: that makes no sense. just use amd64 |
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| 09:18.35 | su13 | wols: so you do propose that I use amd64 for the sustem with Core 2 Duo proc on board? |
| 09:18.46 | Coke | Hi. What network file system is better suited for a LAN? NFS, Coda or AFS? (only Debian machines) |
| 09:18.48 | wols | of course i do. you can use i386 with amd cpus too |
| 09:19.04 | wols | Coke: NFS if you can trust your LAN |
| 09:19.35 | cast | Coke: i'd go NFS as its the most widely used out of those :>, thus easier to get help |
| 09:19.48 | wols | cast: and probably the lightest to use |
| 09:19.55 | Coke | Yeah, I know NFS pretty well. |
| 09:20.13 | su13 | wols: allright, I think I just got wrong.. I have a machine with Intel core2duo proc, so I need i386 and it won't make any sense to use amd64 distro version, since it won't work for me with intel, right? |
| 09:20.27 | wols | su13: wrong |
| 09:20.58 | wols | su13: if you want a 64bit debian you use amd64 when you have a x86 compatible cpu. end of story. |
| 09:21.14 | wols | since your C2D is x86 compatible: AMD64 for you |
| 09:21.27 | Coke | We are several users in the group "users", I want all of them to have write access when someone else creates a file. The directory needs a g+ws for that to work, right? |
| 09:21.41 | su13 | wols: got you, thanks. But why does it have the `amd` in the name? |
| 09:21.47 | Coke | No, that didn't work. :p |
| 09:22.13 | wols | su13: why has "i386" its name? amd never made i386 cpus either |
| 09:22.18 | cast | why +s? |
| 09:22.22 | streuner | What could you use to grep permanently log file and if a certain string would be found it tells you about? |
| 09:22.26 | Coke | cast: I have no idea. |
| 09:22.34 | Coke | How do I get rid of the paranoia? |
| 09:22.37 | streuner | best would be OSD |
| 09:22.48 | streuner | get more infos |
| 09:23.11 | streuner | paranoia is mostly caused by clueless |
| 09:23.34 | wols | su13: AMD was simply first |
| 09:23.34 | Coke | streuner: what's the medicine? |
| 09:23.34 | wols | Coke: a cluebat |
| 09:23.36 | streuner | knowledge |
| 09:23.38 | johndoe | amd64 is for amd 64 |
| 09:23.45 | Coke | streuner: can you give me a prescription? |
| 09:23.45 | johndoe | ia64 is for intel 64 |
| 09:23.46 | johndoe | simple |
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| 09:23.56 | wols | johndoe: which intel64? there are two |
| 09:24.04 | johndoe | all |
| 09:24.06 | su13 | wols: hmm.. Understood. Well, i386 distro is waiting for me at the post office.. Got to order new one.. I think |
| 09:24.12 | wols | johndoe: and the MUCH more widely used doesn't work with ia64 |
| 09:24.15 | wols | johndoe: you are wrong |
| 09:24.38 | streuner | Coke: read NFS-HOWTO ? |
| 09:24.43 | Coke | streuner: it's not over NFS |
| 09:24.57 | cast | Coke: well, i'd try making the dir g+rwx, +s will stop them from deleting each others files but thats worthless since they could just blank them out |
| 09:25.12 | Coke | cast: I want LESS security, not more. |
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| 09:25.21 | streuner | heh |
| 09:25.35 | Coke | I want all users of a specific group to get full rw access to the directory. |
| 09:25.42 | Coke | Regardless of who created what. |
| 09:26.00 | simonrvn | cast you're just useless tonight :P (j/k dude :) |
| 09:26.00 | cast | i see the error in my thoughts. my bad |
| 09:26.12 | su13 | wols: do if I'm going to use amd64 version, Ill get the greater performance in comparison to the i386 one? |
| 09:26.16 | cast | simonrvn: that's really unfair.....i'm always useless |
| 09:26.24 | su13 | s%do%so% |
| 09:26.29 | simonrvn | heh, hardly |
| 09:26.59 | wols | su13: depends. 64bit binaries are bigger and use more cache which means it sometimes can be slower |
| 09:27.08 | wols | most times it will be faster but not always |
| 09:27.16 | Coke | My colleagues are in the same building, I'll implement my own security protocol with vigorous bitch slapping if someone's out of line. |
| 09:27.16 | sep | su13, if you have >4GB ram or use some applications that are designed for 64bit. then maybe, otherways no |
| 09:27.35 | simonrvn | ah, doing it old-school |
| 09:27.53 | wols | sep: not true. things like more general purpose registers help always |
| 09:28.15 | Coke | Is there a way to give all files and subdirectories g+w -always- without using mount options? |
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| 09:28.54 | simonrvn | ugly hacks |
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| 09:29.05 | simonrvn | uh oh |
| 09:29.10 | wols | how to print LOTS of address labels in debian with a dot matrix endless paper spool?? the input would be a CSV list |
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| 09:29.22 | wols | basically I need to label print on endless paper |
| 09:29.44 | Coke | simonrvn: so ext3 does not support such advanced features? |
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| 09:30.06 | wols | wth? |
| 09:30.12 | Kamping_Kaiser | same IP |
| 09:30.17 | simonrvn | yeh |
| 09:30.21 | streuner | same IP |
| 09:30.26 | Coke | Whoever wrote debhelper made a poo poo |
| 09:30.30 | simonrvn | hence my /me smells trouble |
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| 09:30.40 | streuner | oh :-) |
| 09:30.45 | simonrvn | dh is an eggdrop |
| 09:30.48 | DawnLight | a poo poo? |
| 09:30.49 | streuner | Coke: eggdrop |
| 09:31.03 | Coke | DawnLight: yeah, that's poo. Twice. |
| 09:31.22 | streuner | !win simonrvn |
| 09:31.23 | dpkg | Congratulations, simonrvn! You have won a one way ticket to Nova Scotia! |
| 09:31.53 | grub | maybe there's all using NAT :p |
| 09:31.56 | dondelelcaro | considering that the creator of eggdrop and myself are both human, yes, we process metobolites in the usual fashion. |
| 09:32.30 | simonrvn | i noticed after my "ugly hacks" comment. as for that, i resorted to a shell script run in cron with find chmod and xargs... (didn't like the mount option idea at the time) |
| 09:32.41 | simonrvn | dondelelcaro: hehehe |
| 09:32.42 | Kamping_Kaiser | rofl |
| 09:32.55 | Coke | simonrvn: a cron script will not be sufficient. |
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| 09:33.24 | simonrvn | and much suckage ensues |
| 09:33.30 | Coke | But no wonder Microsoft admins say GNU is retarded. |
| 09:33.33 | simonrvn | i quite agree, tbh |
| 09:33.51 | simonrvn | (not the retarded stuff ;) |
| 09:33.54 | Coke | Well, the filesystem sure does smell of the 70's. |
| 09:34.00 | Coke | Aha. |
| 09:34.21 | simonrvn | not that ntfs is any great advance... |
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| 09:34.23 | Coke | Any filesystem available in Debian that would allow ACL's or more "advanced" options? |
| 09:34.33 | petemc | Coke: ext3 does acls |
| 09:34.37 | Coke | simonrvn: at least you can change the security settings per entry |
| 09:34.39 | dondelelcaro | there are loads of filesystems that use ACLs |
| 09:34.41 | simonrvn | Coke: actually you can, i just remembered |
| 09:34.49 | simonrvn | using acls |
| 09:34.59 | simonrvn | setfacl and friends |
| 09:35.14 | Coke | petemc: what I want is for one directory to force g+w for all new files. |
| 09:35.21 | petemc | so i gathered |
| 09:35.31 | Coke | petemc: wasn't sure you were following. |
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| 09:35.47 | petemc | i only responded when you started talking shit |
| 09:36.02 | streuner | see |
| 09:36.07 | Coke | Hm, so that's the way to attract attention... |
| 09:36.19 | simonrvn | !lart Coke |
| 09:36.26 | Coke | I never needed to use ACL's and I can't say I'm a big fan of the whole concept. |
| 09:37.10 | simonrvn | they're inheritable. install the facl stuff and read man pages and be happy. been around for years that stuff |
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| 09:38.40 | Coke | simonrvn: will that affect the rest of the file system? |
| 09:39.17 | simonrvn | only affects where it's set. read man pages, i'll find you the package |
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| 09:39.33 | simonrvn | acl |
| 09:40.15 | Coke | simonrvn: thanks. |
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| 09:42.00 | Terminus | hello. question, is it ok for me to omit resize_inode when doing mkfs if i don't expect to resize the FS in the future? |
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| 09:43.00 | moshii | Terminus: If it's required mkfs would bail I would think.. |
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| 09:43.45 | Terminus | moshii: i see... i just don't want to run into file limits. i'm trying to get the format on a 500gb drive as perfect as possible coz tweaking it in the future might be PITA. |
| 09:43.59 | moshii | Terminus: What fs type? |
| 09:44.10 | Terminus | moshii: ext3 |
| 09:44.37 | Terminus | moshii: i'm comparing the dumpe2fs of volumes formatted by the debian installer to the my manual format. |
| 09:44.51 | Coke | Where can I find a list of valid extended attributes for ext3? |
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| 09:45.23 | moshii | Terminus: What sort of limits are you afraid of hitting? number of files? |
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| 09:45.58 | Terminus | moshii: also, i can see a large_file feature on the volumes formatted through debinst but i don't see it in the manpage. nothing in -O large_file. what's that for? |
| 09:46.56 | simonrvn | Coke: it's just like the fs attribs, you can set a default one different from the currently set one that you get from chmod/chown/chgrp |
| 09:47.58 | moshii | Terminus: I think the largest file you can have on a ext3 fs is 1TB |
| 09:48.23 | moshii | Terminus: So with a 500GB drive I don't think that'd be a problem |
| 09:48.57 | Terminus | moshii: i see. i just read somewhere that the flag gets set automatically, if there's large file on the volume. |
| 09:49.01 | wols | moshii: 16GB-2TB |
| 09:49.09 | wols | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ext3 |
| 09:49.10 | Terminus | moshii: yeah, i'm afraid of hitting the limit on number of files. |
| 09:49.24 | Terminus | thanks wols |
| 09:49.35 | moshii | Terminus: you can set the inode limit when you create the fs |
| 09:49.56 | Coke | simonrvn: I don't understand. |
| 09:50.34 | Coke | Looks to me like the extended attributes are just arbitrary key/value pairs. How do I know which ones do anything? |
| 09:51.02 | Terminus | moshii: i'm just looking for reasonable defaults on a general purpose data drive. |
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| 09:51.43 | wols | Terminus: what will you use the partition for? |
| 09:51.48 | su13 | wols: it's very comfortable to use wiki, but somehow I do not think it's really great idea, that everyone, no matter he is well on the subject, is able to contribute the info.. ;O \ |
| 09:52.14 | wols | e.g a maildir partition will use different settings than one handling big videofiles |
| 09:52.22 | su13 | wols: however it's very easy way to share |
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| 09:52.35 | moshii | Terminus: If you don't tell it otherwise the mkfs script for ext3 will calculate a reasonable value for you from the size of the fs |
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| 09:53.07 | Terminus | moshii: ok. right now i'm doing mkfs.ext3 -vL /mnt/data -m 0 -O dir_index /dev/sda1 |
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| 09:53.14 | moshii | wols: mm the faq I read said 1TB, but that document is from the 2.4 era |
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| 09:53.34 | wols | su13: as opposed to websites and howtos anyone can set up? this argument is mostly a BS one, especially on such technical matters. but this is debian OT |
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| 09:54.00 | moshii | Terminus: Have you considered other filesystems than ext3? |
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| 09:54.21 | Terminus | moshii: tried them before, but i have come to the conclusion that ext3 is the most stable. |
| 09:54.37 | Terminus | moshii: what did you have in mind, xfs? |
| 09:54.55 | Penix | jfs rlz lolz kthx |
| 09:55.09 | moshii | Terminus: I use a mix of ext3 and xfs |
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| 09:55.53 | moshii | ext3 because it's better supported by bootloaders and such than xfs etc |
| 09:56.14 | wols | !xfs |
| 09:56.15 | dpkg | xfs is probably "the filesystem developed by SGI for high-performance journalling and large disk support. see http://linux-xfs.sgi.com/projects/xfs/ or far better and more mature than <reiserfs>, but not as mature (in linux) as <ext3>. It notoriously loses data if you have unexpected power failures." |
| 09:56.34 | Terminus | moshii: i've found ext3 to have a better chance at staying intact after a power loss. in fact, i've never lost data on ext3 due to power loss, only because the disk itself failed. |
| 09:57.00 | moshii | That should really be changed.. the power failure zero'ing of files is no longer an issue |
| 09:57.31 | moshii | Terminus: your power failure must have happened right after a sync then |
| 09:58.02 | Dewi | moshii: why not? |
| 09:58.14 | Dewi | moshii: write ordering for meta last? |
| 09:58.14 | Terminus | moshii: IIRC, journal couldn't do anything about it. i was forced to reformat. |
| 09:58.54 | Terminus | moshii: i haven't played around with those in a long time, and i just don't want to risk accidentally losing data, at least not until i can afford backup solutions. (e.g. another drive) |
| 09:59.03 | Dewi | actually from memory xfs protects the metadata, the integrity of the filesystem, much better than it protects the file contents of a file that was being written at crash time |
| 09:59.10 | moshii | Dewi: because writes don't go directly to disk, so unless the power went out right after the kernel synced you lost pending data |
| 09:59.11 | Dewi | which could be argued is a defensible position |
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| 10:00.24 | Dewi | Terminus: I wouldn't say things are necessarily less stable than ext3, but ext3 does have a lot more linux tools written for it |
| 10:00.29 | Terminus | so, guys what's your take on -T largefile |
| 10:00.37 | Dewi | Terminus: so I still use it in linux at least |
| 10:00.57 | Terminus | Dewi: yup. that too. i don't need speed. ext3 is fast enough for me. |
| 10:01.08 | Dewi | Terminus: most important thing (for non-system drives) is to remove the massive 5% set aside for root only |
| 10:01.20 | Dewi | Terminus: because it's a bloody massive slice of a 750gb disk! |
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| 10:01.25 | moshii | Terminus: Basically, it's up to you what you use. But if you're really concerned to the level you're looking over all the mkfs flags you might want to look in to different fs's at the same time |
| 10:01.30 | Terminus | Dewi: yup. i made sure of that. hehe |
| 10:02.38 | Terminus | moshii: i'm pretty much set on ext3. maybe some other time. i just want to finalize this soon so i can start copying files over and then leave for a party. =D |
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| 10:03.22 | Terminus | Dewi: i wouldn't need the 5% reserved blocks on a /home partition either, right? |
| 10:03.34 | Dewi | Terminus: I wouldn't have thought so |
| 10:03.48 | Dewi | Terminus: I strip that right back on non-system disks |
| 10:03.52 | Dewi | to 1% usually |
| 10:03.56 | Dewi | which is still probably too big |
| 10:04.04 | Terminus | Dewi: hehe. i just set it to 0 |
| 10:04.04 | Dewi | but I didn't have the balls to ask for 0% yet |
| 10:04.04 | moshii | Terminus: It's useful on / because a full rootfs is a pain in the arse |
| 10:04.09 | Coke | Ahh, default permissions works nicely with ACL's. |
| 10:04.34 | Terminus | moshii: i've got 5% on /, /boot, /usr, and /var |
| 10:05.19 | Terminus | all the files in those are mostly owned by root anyway. |
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| 10:06.57 | moshii | Terminus: /var would good place to use it too.. you wouldn't want a user filling /var so that you can't write lockfiles any more |
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| 10:08.15 | Terminus | moshii: so i figured. forgot, i've got 5% reserved in /tmp too. |
| 10:08.41 | Terminus | so basically i've got 5% on everything but /home and othe volumes i have. |
| 10:08.51 | moshii | Terminus: I think the default is for /tmp to be tmpfs in ram now |
| 10:09.52 | johndoe | "You need to place the ipw3945.ucode file into the hotplug firmware directory," |
| 10:09.59 | johndoe | where is it by default on debian? |
| 10:10.15 | Terminus | moshii: hmmm... don't know much about that one. i still have files when i look in /tmp |
| 10:10.34 | moshii | johndoe: /lib/firmware I believe |
| 10:10.53 | johndoe | moshii: that one is empty |
| 10:10.56 | moshii | Terminus: yeah, it's a normal fs, just not on disk |
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| 10:11.26 | johndoe | moshii: i found another one at /etc/lib/hotplug/firmware which is also empty |
| 10:11.41 | Penix | johndoe: put the firmware in there if it's empty |
| 10:11.52 | Terminus | moshii: over here, it's a separate disk partition that's mounted on /tmp |
| 10:12.04 | Penix | yuck |
| 10:12.04 | Terminus | moshii: i get tmpfs stuff when i run mount though |
| 10:12.14 | johndoe | DIR=$(sed -ne "s:^FIRMWARE_DIR=\([^, ]*\).*:\1:p" \ /etc/hotplug/firmware.agent) |
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| 10:12.23 | Dewi | moshii: tmpfs is in RAM? |
| 10:12.23 | johndoe | it also says it cant find firmware.agent |
| 10:12.52 | Dewi | moshii: does it use the tmp drive space like a pagefile or something? |
| 10:13.03 | moshii | Terminus: Dunno, haven't looked into it too deeply recently.. would be funny to have an fs for tmp only to have debian mount another fs over the top though |
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| 10:14.12 | moshii | Dewi: no, the fs is contained in memory.. saves deleting the files, expensive writes to disk etc, I suppose if you get squeezed for memory it would get swapped out to disk. |
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| 10:14.47 | Terminus | moshii: moshii i'll check it out some other time. thanks for the help. :) |
| 10:15.04 | moshii | Dewi: tmp is mostly used for small files with a short life span, it's not worth writing the to disk |
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| 10:19.52 | Coke | In my smb.conf share I have "force create mode = 664", yet new files created via samba is rw-rwx-r--. How do I get rid of that pesky g+x that Samba -insists- on setting? I have "map system = no" as well. |
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| 10:20.24 | Coke | The word "force" implies that no matter what, the specified file permissions will be forced. |
| 10:22.10 | cast | nice, you can use mercurial with inotify to speed it up |
| 10:23.15 | sessaid | Hello everyone. I am running Courier IMAP and would like to know how can I change the user and group that imapd runs as? Right now it looks like it is identd:Debian-exim |
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| 10:25.16 | Coke | I cannot make Samba NOT set the damn g+x, I'm going NUTS! |
| 10:27.22 | simonrvn | file bug |
| 10:29.35 | wrg | !remove-gnome |
| 10:29.56 | themill | !remove gnome |
| 10:29.57 | dpkg | apt-get --purge remove libgnome32 libgnome2-common (or ask me about <install gnome>), or after removing those, run 'aptitude' and look at section 'gnome' to remove the rest. |
| 10:33.26 | Coke | simonrvn: you think after all these years I would be the first notice such an obvious problem? :) |
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| 10:34.00 | simonrvn | missing the point... but no, of course not |
| 10:34.22 | Coke | Let's not forget, Samba is for speaking Microsoftish, you know the rule; anything even touching the Microsoft sphere gets infected with bad/no/wrong documentation and lots of bugs. :) |
| 10:35.37 | Coke | I've already found several "solutions", but none of them actualy solve the problem. map system = no should have done the trick, force create mode should have done the trick and just to be safe I turned off all permission mapping and force permissions. No luck. |
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| 10:38.52 | vlt | Hello. I want to move a Debian Etch server installation from a 32 bit AMD Athlon machine to a 64 bit AMD Athlon/X2. 1) Will the current kernel "2.6.18-5-686 #1 SMP" work there or do I need a more generic one? 2) Can I simply install "linux-image-2.6.18-5-amd64" then and the machine and all apps will run in 64 bit mode or do I need a complete re-install for that? 3) If the latter, are there any packages from the x86 branch that are not av |
| 10:39.57 | moshii | vlt: that kernel will run, you ccan run a 64bit kernel with 32bit apps, you will need to install a full 64bit os to have everything running in "64bit mode" |
| 10:40.35 | sep | vlt, 1: i'd install a generic kernel as a fallback anyway. athlos uses k7 usualy not 686 2: no, you need to reisntall 3) yes you can get issues with applications and drivers.. if you have less then 4GB ram i wound not bother with amd64 reinstall |
| 10:41.06 | sep | wh nevermind k7 is not for X2 |
| 10:41.19 | cast | vlt: nonfree flash, win32codecs come to mind, which aren't really relevent to a server |
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| 10:42.20 | moshii | cast: um, nspluginviewer-wrapper is installed for the non-free flash plugin in the amd64 port |
| 10:42.29 | vlt | moshii: Thank you. So, the linux-image-2.6.18-5-amd64 package is meant for running the 32 bit version of Debian on the 64 bit CPU (which would also work with a more generic one), right? |
| 10:42.30 | moshii | cast: for Sid anyhoo |
| 10:42.52 | cast | ahhh. |
| 10:43.01 | vlt | sep: I got 2 GB of RAM. So you wouldn't reccommend running the apps in 64 bit mode? |
| 10:44.23 | moshii | works perfect out of the box ;) |
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| 10:45.53 | sep | vlt, i think that with ram <4GB the disadvantages is larger then the advantages |
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| 10:46.26 | cast | but what disadvantages are there? |
| 10:46.31 | liable | and if its not a server doubly so |
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| 10:46.40 | liable | erm, is |
| 10:47.03 | moshii | I haven't seen any disadvantages yet.. |
| 10:47.04 | vlt | sep: yeah, what disafvantages? |
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| 10:47.41 | liable | nothing if its a server and your services are in the repo |
| 10:47.48 | sep | w32codecs. flash, some drivers, ie it depends on what you need and what hardware you have. what 3rd partry things you need to run |
| 10:47.53 | moshii | vlt: binaries are bigger because pointers and such are 64bit |
| 10:48.03 | vlt | It's mainly an NFS/Samba server, running Apache/PHP/MySQL, Exim, Dovecot, Cups, Squid, SANE on hplip ... |
| 10:48.08 | moshii | sep: flash works out of the box in sid |
| 10:48.18 | vlt | moshii: Will that be slower than on 32 bit? |
| 10:48.31 | sep | vlt, then you will mostly be ok i think |
| 10:48.44 | liable | if you are just running 64 cause you can, and its a home box come server, then 64 prolly isnt what you want |
| 10:49.33 | cast | from my perspective the downsides to 64bit are mostly closed source crap that isn't in main anyway :) |
| 10:49.45 | liable | pretty much |
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| 10:50.33 | liable | but if its a desktop/server then 64 is not worth it, if it will run just pure debain available services, by all means run 64 |
| 10:50.36 | cast | i like my TX/RX counters not wrapping, or openssl going a big amount faster, or oggenc going a bit faster, *wonders is mencoder likewise gets a performance boost* |
| 10:50.38 | moshii | cast: but you can run 32bit binaries.. and 32bit library packages are fairly extensive now |
| 10:51.03 | cast | moshii: indeed, so even that isn't that much of a downside :) |
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| 10:51.52 | uthersde | hello, i want to share music over my network with rhythmbox but it dont work, had i to configure avahi in a special way? |
| 10:52.46 | cast | has the use of the NX bit made any practical difference? |
| 10:54.22 | liable | vlt: what is this boxes sole purpose? |
| 10:54.52 | liable | uthersde: what do you mean? |
| 10:56.19 | moshii | mm, is there a way of having module-assistant rebuild modules when a kernel image is installed? |
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| 10:57.03 | vlt | liable: Apache2/PHP5/MySQL5, Samba/NFS, Exim, Dovecot, Cups, Squid, SANE on hplip, dm-crypted partitions (currently aes-i586) ... |
| 10:57.24 | vlt | liable: The main load is caused by MySQL |
| 10:57.43 | uthersde | liable: there is a special option in rhythmbox to share music with other rhythmbox clients (or itunes) on the local network ... but it do not work :( |
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| 10:59.08 | liable | vlt: sounds serverish enough to warrent running 64 |
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| 10:59.51 | liable | uthersde: i didnt know about that, so i guess i prolly cant help unless you can get some debug info |
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| 11:01.26 | vlt | liable: So for the apps/services I'm running there'll be no disadvantages in the way sep wrote of? |
| 11:02.23 | vlt | Finally: Will there be any advantage in running 64 bit, too? (speed?) |
| 11:02.34 | liable | vlt: if you want to run 64 on that box, then those services should be fine |
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| 11:02.40 | frog | hi i'm trying to install a kernel module. i'm getting this error: ERROR: The size of a socket information union (protinfo) in struct sock is plain too small to accept the size of the sctp_opt private structure. this is the union in include/net/sock.h. how can i increase its size? |
| 11:02.56 | moshii | vlt: the biggest problem you would have with running the amd64 port is apps that only have 32bit binaries, but that's a non-issue to be honest |
| 11:03.11 | liable | frog: erm, that during compile i take it? |
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| 11:03.39 | frog | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:03.48 | cast | vlt: some things are faster, openssl is a huge amount, i imagine dm-crypt might be but i haven't seen any benchmarks |
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| 11:04.02 | alexandroos | hello i'm running debian lenny. is there a way to change the default associated application to open certain types of files avoiding open nautilus and right click on the file/properties/"open with"? maybe through gconf editor... |
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| 11:04.49 | liable | frog: so file a bug with the package maintainer |
| 11:06.01 | frog | liable: i tried, but te developer haven't helped me... |
| 11:06.12 | liable | frog: if you want to get into the niitty gritty bits, you could try ##c, but i dunno if you will get much joy there |
| 11:06.32 | alexandroos | nautilus crashes every time i right click on properties of a file |
| 11:06.39 | frog | liable: they have just sent me to #linux ;o/ |
| 11:07.02 | liable | frog: good luck there :P |
| 11:07.15 | frog | thx ;o/ ;o\ |
| 11:07.39 | vlt | liable, moshii, cast: Thank you. I think I'll try. |
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| 11:10.55 | uthersde | liable: http://www.g-loaded.eu/2006/05/01/music-collection-sharing-with-rhythmbox/ |
| 11:11.09 | alexandroos | is anyone of u running debian lenny? |
| 11:11.23 | cast | !anyone |
| 11:11.23 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone uses <someprogram>. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use <someprogram>?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls> |
| 11:11.36 | alexandroos | sorry |
| 11:12.17 | liable | np |
| 11:12.32 | liable | !smart questions |
| 11:12.33 | dpkg | Go here to find out how to ask intelligent questions: http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html - Be sure to look at the section http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html#before - This FAQ has information to help many users solve their own problem more effectively and to help users interact more effectively with computer experts. |
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| 11:16.11 | alexandroos | im running nautilus crashes every time i right click on properties of a file. is there a way around to set the default associated application to open certain types of file? i read it's a bug of lenny, it's been reported and they say it's been fixed as well...http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=449496 |
| 11:16.24 | alexandroos | *I'm running debian lenny* |
| 11:18.18 | liable | and you are running the fixed version? |
| 11:19.07 | alexandroos | no liable i still can't get to properties, nautilus crashes all the time |
| 11:19.15 | xand | if I have getty listening on ttyS0, can I kill it so I can use that serial port? it respawns upon kill |
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| 11:19.29 | xand | (without rebooting) |
| 11:19.33 | simonrvn | check your inittab |
| 11:19.41 | xand | it's meant to be there |
| 11:19.50 | xand | but I want to kill it without rebooting :| |
| 11:19.53 | liable | alexandroos: are you running the version that the bts says is fixed? |
| 11:20.15 | simonrvn | well, init will respawn until told otherwise |
| 11:20.34 | simonrvn | unless you remove the 'respawn' bit |
| 11:20.51 | simonrvn | init q' init u after you're done |
| 11:21.00 | simonrvn | er s,',;, |
| 11:21.12 | alexandroos | liable, i don't guess so. |
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| 11:21.37 | simonrvn | have fune |
| 11:21.40 | simonrvn | fun |
| 11:21.45 | liable | alexandroos: well.. |
| 11:22.21 | alexandroos | liable, that's why i asked for someone who's experiencing the bug |
| 11:22.26 | liable | alexandroos: dont guess, know what version you have, and which one is fixed |
| 11:22.27 | harpal | Hey anyone had used perdition a POP/IMAP proxy? |
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| 11:22.45 | xand | !anyone |
| 11:22.46 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone uses <someprogram>. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use <someprogram>?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls> |
| 11:22.47 | alexandroos | liable, how do i know that? |
| 11:23.06 | liable | alexandroos: and thats exactly why we dont condone people running testing when they have not much clue |
| 11:23.24 | harpal | I got this errorAuth: 10.10.136.45->10.10.136.95 user="harpal" server="(null)" port="110" status="failed: Could not determine server" |
| 11:23.28 | harpal | xand, ok |
| 11:24.13 | liable | alexandroos: dpkg -l <package> WILL TELL YOU THE VERSION |
| 11:24.29 | themill | alexandroos: if you're using lenny, you should no these things. man apt-cache and look for the policy option. Look in the bts to see what version the maintainer claims fixes that bug. |
| 11:24.38 | harpal | here its taking server="(null)" instead of actual server name from user |
| 11:24.40 | liable | oops, capslock |
| 11:24.53 | themill | liable: I thought that was just for effect ;) |
| 11:25.16 | alexandroos | thank you liable themill |
| 11:25.26 | GhostlyDeath | Is there a virus scanner available in Debian? |
| 11:25.34 | liable | heh, i used to just swear for effect, but its not really cool here now |
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| 11:26.26 | cast | GhostlyDeath: for scanning windows emails? |
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| 11:26.40 | GhostlyDeath | cast: for scanning files |
| 11:26.51 | cast | GhostlyDeath: for windows users? |
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| 11:27.06 | GhostlyDeath | for Linux |
| 11:27.15 | cast | waste of cpu cycles, don't bother |
| 11:27.23 | SammyTheSnake | I'm having "fun" with a freshly installed machine, etch/i386 and it's giving me the old favourite "Untrusted packages" error. I have debian-keyring installed, but still I get the error. Any ideas? |
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| 11:28.45 | Mithshark | any good with iptables? |
| 11:28.47 | uthersde | GhostlyDeath: clamav with klamav ... |
| 11:28.58 | Mithshark | how would I bind iptables -t nat -A PREROUTING -p tcp --dport 80 -j REDIRECT --to 2080 to a single ip ? |
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| 11:30.02 | themill | SammyTheSnake: debian-archive-keyring |
| 11:30.23 | SammyTheSnake | themill: also installed |
| 11:30.36 | themill | SammyTheSnake: and did you aptitude update afterwards? |
| 11:30.43 | uthersde | GhostlyDeath: if you want to use clamav use the version from backports ... its newer ... |
| 11:30.49 | SammyTheSnake | themill: yep |
| 11:31.20 | SammyTheSnake | themill: I get "unknown error executing gpgv" at the end of it, though, which is probably relevant |
| 11:31.30 | themill | somewhat |
| 11:31.53 | themill | do you have a /usr/bin/gpgv ? |
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| 11:32.50 | SammyTheSnake | themill: yes |
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| 11:35.56 | SammyTheSnake | themill: I just tried "aptitude reinstall gpgv" to see if that would help, but it hasn't... |
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| 11:39.23 | Mithshark | can anyone help me with iptables? |
| 11:39.50 | SammyTheSnake | themill: hmm, I just set the system clock, which was about 4 years slow, and now gpg works :S |
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| 11:40.14 | SammyTheSnake | themill: possibly it checks the validity period of a key before allowing it to be used? |
| 11:40.15 | themill | SammyTheSnake: ahh... yes.. that will do it too. |
| 11:40.29 | SammyTheSnake | themill: well, thanks for being my cardboard programmer :) |
| 11:40.41 | themill | SammyTheSnake: Yes it checks the validity of they key. |
| 11:40.45 | themill | SammyTheSnake: np :) |
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| 11:42.24 | themill | SammyTheSnake: it wouldn't hurt to look at the bts to see if that's a known problem and file a wishlist bug that the gpgv error be a little more useful about such things. |
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| 11:48.09 | SammyTheSnake | themill: I'll do that while I'm waiting for that machine's twin brother to install :) |
| 11:48.21 | themill | thanks |
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| 11:49.18 | themill | SammyTheSnake: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=405621 |
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| 12:01.12 | phaidros | after install a new serversystem via rescue-system with debootstrap I need to install grub. is it still necessary nowadays to setup grub into the mbr or is this done by installing package alraeady? |
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| 12:03.03 | cast | debootstrap doesn't do grub for you |
| 12:03.15 | phaidros | but apt-get install grub ? |
| 12:03.17 | cast | or fstab either, last time i looked |
| 12:03.24 | phaidros | sure, thats clear |
| 12:03.35 | cast | use aptitude install instead of apt-get install :) |
| 12:03.44 | phaidros | :) |
| 12:04.01 | phaidros | well, ok then.I install grub by hand again :) |
| 12:04.19 | cast | http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/apds03.html.en D.3.6 |
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| 12:07.11 | phaidros | ah, another question: on a *buntu system I have seen alot of very handy bash-completions, and there is a package for that. debian doesn't have an extra package for cmpletion, where is it in? |
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| 12:07.25 | petemc | phaidros: /etc/bash_completion , source it |
| 12:07.27 | MarGarina | Err, are there no binary (deb) xen kernels for debina? |
| 12:07.36 | MarGarina | debian,heh :) |
| 12:07.37 | petemc | tho i thought it did that by defualt for etch.. |
| 12:07.43 | petemc | MarGarina: there are for etch |
| 12:07.51 | phaidros | margina there are: aptitude search linux-image | grep xen |
| 12:08.05 | MarGarina | pihadros: did exactly that, I get nothing. I'm using sid |
| 12:08.14 | petemc | there arent any for lenny or sid |
| 12:08.16 | phaidros | petemc: but no campletion for apt-get/aptitude and such |
| 12:08.17 | MarGarina | ah crap. oh well. thanks anyway |
| 12:08.22 | petemc | phaidros: aye there is |
| 12:08.39 | phaidros | ok, I'll use force andtry the source ;) |
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| 12:08.42 | tarzeau | yay debian has got one more non-free package :) |
| 12:09.22 | phaidros | petemc: you are right :) it worx! |
| 12:09.35 | petemc | apt-get install |
| 12:09.36 | petemc | Display all 24741 possibilities? (y or n) |
| 12:10.01 | cast | just to highlight that i like aptitude, aptitude search 'linux-image.*xen' is a bit handier than grepping :) |
| 12:11.07 | DustyBin | guys, im just about to re-install my home server using vserver virtualization, before i go ahead, do you think this setup looks ok: http://paste.linux-noob.com/index.php?query=2411 |
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| 12:12.02 | cast | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:12.08 | DustyBin | linux CCTV |
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| 12:12.26 | DustyBin | http://www.zoneminder.com/ |
| 12:12.31 | petemc | DustyBin: i use xen on most boxes, generally i only run ssh on the dom0 , then everything else in the domUs |
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| 12:12.53 | petemc | DustyBin: the idea being that i can easily migrate services |
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| 12:13.08 | DustyBin | petemc: mythtv isnt compatible with xen, thats why im going to try out vserver as its more of a advanced chroot |
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| 12:13.32 | petemc | DustyBin: even with the pci passthrough stuff |
| 12:13.33 | petemc | ? |
| 12:13.40 | cast | does the apache do php? |
| 12:13.50 | DustyBin | vserver uses the same kernel, so everything is shared |
| 12:14.12 | petemc | DustyBin: whats stopping myth working in a xen guest? |
| 12:14.16 | rubymonk | Hello everyone, May anyone please help me with this ? http://www.pastebin.ca/802564 |
| 12:14.25 | rubymonk | It's java related... |
| 12:14.35 | DustyBin | ive read lots of problems from people using it on google |
| 12:14.50 | DustyBin | mythbackend uses a lot of resources |
| 12:17.22 | GhostlyDeath | How would associate EXE (DOS/Windows Executable) with WINE? (when I double click them I get a message so I have to open it from the list of options which is annoying) |
| 12:17.26 | DustyBin | "Note: I have since abandoned using MythTV in Xen - my Myth backend was just consuming too many resources, and I decided moving it to a separate box was the wisest solution." |
| 12:17.58 | john_scrotum | anyone here use chatzilla? just curious about what irc clients you use in debian... thanx |
| 12:18.49 | john_scrotum | i used to use bitchx in an xterm but it appears debian has removed it from the repos |
| 12:18.58 | GhostlyDeath | I use XChat |
| 12:18.59 | GhostlyDeath | -GNOME |
| 12:19.10 | cast | i think irssi would be best for you then john_scrotum |
| 12:19.31 | phaidros | I have from a previous install lvm partitions around, lvscan does see them. but they are not reachable under /dev/volgroup/* (dir doesn't exist) which package is responsible for that? |
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| 12:19.39 | john_scrotum | is irssi an ncurses client? |
| 12:19.42 | phaidros | and: lvscan says they are inactive |
| 12:19.47 | phaidros | john_scrotum: yes |
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| 12:20.10 | jamey-uk | I'm trying to work through this guide but my fstab file is empty, how do I populate it please? http://www.howtoforge.com/perfect_setup_debian_etch_p3 |
| 12:20.36 | john_scrotum | thanks... i'm gonna go take a look at irssi |
| 12:21.09 | cast | john_scrotum: i could /ver the room, but i'm quite sure someone would get mad and that irssi would be the most common non-x client |
| 12:22.15 | phaidros | well, to answer my own question: /etc/init.d/lvm start initializes everything needed ;) |
| 12:23.15 | cast | jamey-uk: ls -l /etc/fstab, you're not making a typo or some such? the installer will have populated it |
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| 12:23.41 | eth01 | it should be, -rw-r--r-- 1 root root |
| 12:23.44 | petemc | its empty if you use debootstrap |
| 12:23.51 | jamey-uk | cast: it's a VPS and I installed it just using an image. This is what it contains: # UNCONFIGURED FSTAB FOR BASE SYSTEM |
| 12:24.00 | jamey-uk | yes, debootstrap it must've been |
| 12:24.06 | cast | oh, so you didn't follow page 1 and 2 then |
| 12:24.14 | petemc | jamey-uk: find out how the disks are presented to you system then |
| 12:24.16 | eth01 | obviously not. |
| 12:24.16 | jamey-uk | no, sorry :) |
| 12:24.34 | jamey-uk | petemc: how can I determine the disk in /dev I'm using? |
| 12:24.40 | petemc | jamey-uk: you cant |
| 12:24.49 | jamey-uk | so what should I put in the fstab..> |
| 12:24.58 | petemc | ask the people providing you the vps |
| 12:25.06 | jamey-uk | okay |
| 12:26.50 | DawnLight | can anyone tell me if i have ssh running in :3001 ? |
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| 12:28.25 | themill | DawnLight: netstat -pant |
| 12:28.42 | cast | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:29.52 | DawnLight | themill: i'm through an embedded router |
| 12:30.02 | rubymonk | ii libmysql-java 5.0.4+dfsg-3 Java database (JDBC) driver for MySQL |
| 12:30.03 | rubymonk | java.sql.SQLException: No suitable driver found for jdbc:mysql://localhost:3306/aqua2000 |
| 12:30.06 | rubymonk | Not idea ? |
| 12:30.33 | rubymonk | s/Not/No/ |
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| 12:32.02 | gileswwwrk | heya peeps |
| 12:32.12 | gileswwwrk | wget -O - http://backports.org/debian/archive.key | apt-key add - |
| 12:32.23 | gileswwwrk | I use this nice command to import the backports key |
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| 12:32.45 | gileswwwrk | is there a way to import the etch pgp key like this? |
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| 12:33.01 | themill | !tell gileswwwrk about etch key |
| 12:33.25 | themill | gileswwwrk: you can also get debian-backports-keyring from backports.org |
| 12:33.25 | gileswwwrk | ah ta |
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| 12:33.48 | gileswwwrk | isn't it a chicken and egg type thing though? |
| 12:33.56 | themill | of course |
| 12:34.14 | gileswwwrk | this is for a sort of boot strapping script |
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| 12:34.28 | gileswwwrk | i was just wondering if there was .key file for etch |
| 12:35.30 | rubymonk | So... No idea for my issue ? |
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| 12:36.36 | phaidros | so with xenU: how to deal with Error: Device 0 (vif) could not be connected. Hotplug scripts not working. |
| 12:36.39 | phaidros | ? |
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| 12:37.18 | themill | you can pass apt-get options to ignore bad/no sigs to install the key. or /msg dpkg apt-key key_id |
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| 12:47.53 | Teratogen | welcome back everyone |
| 12:47.53 | Teratogen | whee! |
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| 12:47.54 | Teratogen | this is FUN |
| 12:47.54 | RaceKondition | my whole computer just lagged.. |
| 12:47.54 | RaceKondition | well almost, actually just the whole IRC client |
| 12:47.54 | Teratogen | I have a question about Masquerading Made Simple HOWTO |
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| 12:47.54 | Teratogen | I followed the recipe, and everything appears to work |
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| 12:47.55 | Teratogen | but eth1 is never mentioned in any of the iptables commands |
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| 12:47.55 | Teratogen | so how does it know to use eth1 for the local area network? |
| 12:47.55 | Teratogen | (10.0.0.x in this case) |
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| 12:48.00 | hwdyki | what do those 'ii' 'rc' codes mean in dpkg -l? |
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| 12:48.34 | streuner | recomtly canceld |
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| 12:49.37 | hwdyki | got a full list of definitions? |
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| 12:50.23 | streuner | man dpkg |
| 12:50.27 | themill | hwdyki: look at the header to the dpkg -l output |
| 12:50.59 | hwdyki | i can't make sense of it. |
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| 12:51.28 | themill | hwdyki: first character is the top line, 2nd char the second line. R == Remove. C == Config files |
| 12:52.46 | hwdyki | so what's the deal with remotely cancelled?? |
| 12:52.50 | themill | hwdyki: man dpkg for further details as to what those states mean. |
| 12:53.06 | themill | hwdyki: streuner's just messing with your head. |
| 12:53.28 | themill | !confuse hwdyki |
| 12:53.28 | dpkg | Yes, what was my gerbil yesterday, hwdyki? trousers of the republic of belarus with extra cream |
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| 12:53.36 | themill | dpkg: thanks |
| 12:53.36 | dpkg | sure thing, themill |
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| 12:55.27 | alaya | if you like babblespeak check out http://pdos.csail.mit.edu/scigen/ |
| 12:56.16 | themill | that's not babblespeak... that's quality scientific writing. It must be, it's got a better publication record than me in the last couple of years... :( |
| 12:56.28 | alaya | hehe |
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| 12:56.59 | sdereo | ciao |
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| 12:57.10 | themill | dpkg: greet sdereo |
| 12:57.11 | dpkg | Bonjour, sdereo |
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| 12:57.15 | hwdyki | why are removed packages also listed? |
| 12:57.38 | themill | hwdyki: they will still have config files left around if you've not purged them. |
| 12:57.45 | sdereo | it's possible a downgrade of debian unstable? |
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| 12:57.55 | themill | !downgrade |
| 12:57.55 | dpkg | methinks downgrade is not possible with apt-get currently. No future support is anticipated. Some programs change the binary format of their files in a way that cannot be rolled back later, and package maintainer scripts provide ways to upgrade to new config file formats but not ways to downgrade. You can always try to downgrade a package using dpkg -i <olderversion.deb>. |
| 12:57.56 | sdereo | debian unstable to testing |
| 12:58.10 | themill | !tell sdereo about reinstall |
| 12:58.15 | Ronin | sdereo: back up what you want to keep and reinstall |
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| 12:59.14 | sdereo | change alone repository? |
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| 13:00.34 | streuner | hwdyki: www.debian.org/doc/FAQ/ch-pkg_basics |
| 13:00.44 | john_scrotum | cool. i'm not using irssi |
| 13:00.51 | Teratogen | what does -m do in iptables? |
| 13:00.57 | Teratogen | it's not documented in the man page |
| 13:01.10 | mmlj4 | using postfix, I keep getting "SASL authentication problem: unable to open Berkeley db /etc/sasldb2". I've specified 'MECHANISMS="pam"' in /etc/default/saslauthd ...What gives? |
| 13:01.15 | sdereo | sorry but i don't understand what do? my english is not very well |
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| 13:14.03 | themill | oh ffs.... another yoyo day |
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| 13:14.05 | Teratogen | this is gettin' monotonous |
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| 13:16.47 | DustyBin | ive found a website what just doesnt work with iceweasel, but it works on firefox on windows. im using lenny testing, http://www.cclondon.com/ if you select pay charge, it haults, or a few menus down. Ive tried it many times on lenny but no luck, soon as i use firefox on windows it works |
| 13:18.04 | themill | DustyBin: the pay charge thing works for me... |
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| 13:18.12 | DustyBin | hmmm |
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| 13:18.29 | DustyBin | ive noticed ssl to be really slow on my machine |
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| 13:18.39 | themill | it tries to open a new window. do you have that blocked? |
| 13:18.51 | DustyBin | nope the window opens but it just waits |
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| 13:20.03 | su13 | On the x86-64 note, what is the difference between ia64 and amd64 versions of debian? Is it only the issue of 32 bit back compatibility mode feature, which amd64 has ans ia64 has not? |
| 13:20.04 | themill | !ia64 |
| 13:20.04 | dpkg | it has been said that ia64 is (Intel Architecture-64), a 64-bit processor architecture developed in cooperation by Intel and Hewlett-Packard, implemented by processors such as Itanium and Itanium 2. The goal of Itanium was to produce a "post-RISC era" arch using EPIC. see http://www.debian.org/ports/ia64/ -- if your CPU is opteron/athlon64/turion/sempron/xeon/em64t/pentium/core2duo/core*, then it is NOT ia64 |
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| 13:20.15 | DustyBin | sometimes it nearly works, and haults with transferring data from.. |
| 13:20.41 | themill | DustyBin: I noticed it was a bit jerky with the images too |
| 13:21.16 | DustyBin | it might just be badly coded and it doesnt like the fact the browser is iceweasel |
| 13:21.56 | DustyBin | can you go as far as putting your reg number in? |
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| 13:23.36 | themill | DustyBin: seems to work faster under konqi. But then it just goes around in circles. Can't get past that first ssl page. |
| 13:23.38 | Raven007 | hello |
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| 13:23.56 | DustyBin | themill: same as me! if you try it on firefox on windows it works no problem |
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| 13:24.37 | themill | DustyBin: I used useragent switcher to use Netscape 4.8 and it now seems to work |
| 13:24.37 | DustyBin | i think it doesnt like browsers what are not named firefox or IE.. |
| 13:24.42 | su13 | But, if undestand the whole thing right, the 64 bit compatibility was added comparatively recently than 32 bit realization, so it might be a bit buggy or/and show less overall throughput? |
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| 13:25.01 | DustyBin | themill: its down to very poor coding then.. |
| 13:25.08 | themill | yep seems so |
| 13:25.08 | DustyBin | bastards |
| 13:25.11 | h3sp4wn | su13: they are both completely different architectures |
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| 13:25.22 | themill | DustyBin: not a huge surprise though |
| 13:25.36 | DustyBin | is the useragent switched in the iceweasel menu? |
| 13:25.42 | DustyBin | switcher |
| 13:25.44 | h3sp4wn | su13: other than they can run legacy ia32 code (I think the earlier itanium's had this in hardware) but the later ones do it in software |
| 13:25.51 | Raven007 | ok, i have a little problem with xorg + dbus + pidgin (libnotify) |
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| 13:26.44 | Raven007 | after some time (after a reboot), libnotify plugin @ pidgin doesn't work thru dbus |
| 13:26.45 | Raven007 | only on one machine |
| 13:26.45 | Raven007 | dbus daemon is running |
| 13:26.56 | Raven007 | where should i start to check for problems? |
| 13:27.06 | themill | DustyBin: it's an extension. (User Agent Switcher I think it's called) |
| 13:27.28 | su13 | h3sp4wn: I know that 32 bit and 64 bit a way different, but I was talking about 64 bit mode running Debian |
| 13:27.29 | DustyBin | aye i found it :D |
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| 13:28.04 | h3sp4wn | su13: x64 and i386 is not that different |
| 13:28.13 | h3sp4wn | su13: ia64 is though |
| 13:28.20 | themill | su13: what processor do you actually have |
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| 13:28.54 | h3sp4wn | su13: and running i386 on an itanium (even though technically possible) would be stupid |
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| 13:29.24 | indraveni | can some one give me a solution for nautilus crashing while opening the file browser |
| 13:29.39 | Raven007 | indraveni: strace nautilus ? |
| 13:29.55 | indraveni | Raven007, strace ? |
| 13:30.00 | indraveni | Raven007, what does this mean ? |
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| 13:30.26 | su13 | h3sp4wn: I see |
| 13:30.27 | Raven007 | ok, open "your_favorite_xconsole_proggie" |
| 13:30.37 | su13 | themill: Core 2 Duo |
| 13:30.37 | Raven007 | write this "strace nautilus" |
| 13:30.44 | Raven007 | wait to start @crash |
| 13:30.48 | Raven007 | paste the last lines here |
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| 13:31.06 | su13 | themill: actually I will have one in a couple of days |
| 13:31.55 | indraveni | Raven007, are you asking me to execute the command, strace nautilus ? |
| 13:32.18 | themill | su13: ok, then you do not want ia64, as per dpkg's factoid above. You can either run amd64 or i386 on that machine. For a desktop machine, i386 seems to be better for the time being as you will have fewer problems with java, flash etc. |
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| 13:32.21 | Raven007 | indraveni: yes |
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| 13:32.38 | indraveni | Raven007, but the command strace is not avaialble in my system |
| 13:32.44 | themill | su13: and you should use a -686 kernel with it (not a -486 kernel) if you are going down the i386 route. |
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| 13:33.27 | Raven007 | indraveni: install the package |
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| 13:33.32 | Raven007 | aptitude install strace |
| 13:34.07 | Raven007 | indraveni: wait, do you run a debian unstable? :) |
| 13:34.19 | indraveni | Raven007,no |
| 13:34.38 | Raven007 | dpkg -l|grep xserver-xorg-core |
| 13:34.44 | vlt | Hello, it's me again. On x86 I use the kernel module aes-i586 ("Rijndael (AES) Cipher Algorithm, i586 asm optimized"). For amd64 there's an arch specific module available too: aes-x86_64, but its description is the same as from the default aes module ("Rijndael (AES) Cipher Algorithm"), w/o mentioning any asm optimization. Will this work at least as fast as the i586 code? |
| 13:35.06 | indraveni | Raven007, xserver is related to nautilus ? |
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| 13:35.21 | neotic | hm, a machine won't boot from cd nor usb, and can only use ONE ide-channel, time for the old floppy? |
| 13:35.45 | Raven007 | indraveni: latest unstable versions of xorg have some problems... may be the root cause of this ... |
| 13:35.54 | Raven007 | but, let's do the strace thinggie for now |
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| 13:36.17 | indraveni | Raven007, ok, i am in etch |
| 13:36.31 | Raven007 | indraveni: well , ok. strace then ... |
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| 13:42.29 | mesut | hi,which package provides "dig" |
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| 13:42.45 | Raven007 | dpkg -S `which dig` |
| 13:42.45 | dpkg | You Fool! `which dig` is installed! |
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| 13:42.51 | mesut | Raven007, i dont have it |
| 13:43.04 | Raven007 | mesut: ok, apt-cache search dig |
| 13:43.27 | mesut | # apt-cache search dig | wc -l |
| 13:43.28 | mesut | 378 |
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| 13:43.45 | Raven007 | :) |
| 13:43.53 | Raven007 | ok, lemme check for you |
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| 13:44.08 | mesut | thanks :-) |
| 13:44.35 | Raven007 | dnsutils |
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| 13:44.57 | mesut | thans agai |
| 13:45.00 | Raven007 | np |
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| 13:45.30 | XTF | Hi. Is it possible to do sudo based on SSH agent forwarding and keys instead of on password? |
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| 13:46.24 | Raven007 | XTF: yes |
| 13:46.36 | Raven007 | login with username & key (ssh) |
| 13:47.03 | Raven007 | then modify /etc/sudoers |
| 13:47.12 | Raven007 | that is doesn't req a password |
| 13:47.30 | Raven007 | that suits you ? |
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| 13:48.33 | kuribas | Is it safe to upgrade from etch to lenny? |
| 13:48.59 | Ronin | kuribas: ish |
| 13:49.09 | CaT[tm] | only if you like running a work-in-progress OS |
| 13:49.10 | themill | !tell kuribas about etch->lenny |
| 13:49.26 | Ronin | heh thats a whole lot of good govt answers |
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| 13:50.35 | XTF | Raven007: Well, then everyone that logs into that account can do sudo. |
| 13:50.47 | kuribas | What's a work-in-progress OS? |
| 13:50.55 | Raven007 | XTF: yes |
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| 13:51.08 | Raven007 | unless, you want to take the direct way |
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| 13:51.19 | Raven007 | using a ssh key from account -> root |
| 13:51.26 | Raven007 | bypassing sudo entirely |
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| 13:52.00 | XTF | I was thinking about changing the request for a password to changing the request for a SSH key, that could be provided automatically by the agent. |
| 13:52.06 | markrian | kuribas: do you know what an OS is? Do you know what work-in-progress means? If yes to both, then it's quite self-explanatory |
| 13:52.09 | stew | i wonder if we need to be ready for a flood of qmail questions |
| 13:52.23 | XTF | stew: Why? Did qmail become the default? |
| 13:52.31 | sint | hey, i'm kinda new to debian. usually i know there is a /etc/apt/source.list .. but on the system i got here, there is a directory called /etc/apt/source.list.d/ |
| 13:52.40 | sint | what do i need to get some sources there? |
| 13:52.48 | sint | the directory is empty |
| 13:52.49 | XTF | sint: Don't they exist both? |
| 13:52.49 | stew | XTF: no, as of yesterday, its actually free software |
| 13:52.58 | stew | XTF: http://cr.yp.to/qmail/dist.html |
| 13:53.19 | sint | XTF: ne |
| 13:53.21 | XTF | stew: Ah. What was the previous license then? |
| 13:53.22 | sint | no |
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| 13:53.36 | cast | awesome |
| 13:53.40 | XTF | sint: That looks broken to me. |
| 13:53.45 | stew | XTF: a license that didn't allow redistribution of modified source or binaries |
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| 13:54.24 | sint | XTF: its kinda vserver thing and i wanna install something. but without a source list i don't have anything to install |
| 13:54.32 | Raven007 | yea, maybe now somebody will pick up qmail from dirt, clean it and put it back on the "shelf" |
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| 13:54.44 | Ronin | from dirt? heh |
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| 13:55.17 | duns_s | hi |
| 13:55.31 | sint | XTF: what if i copy a source.list into it?! |
| 13:55.38 | cmdln_ | wireddd: 1 |
| 13:55.42 | duns_s | is there a deadlock free way to use encrypted swap space (i'd propose a fixed password with luks in crypttab) together with suspend2disk? |
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| 13:55.47 | XTF | sint: That should work |
| 13:56.08 | sint | XTF: what should it look like? did you have an example? |
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| 13:56.19 | duns_s | or more concrete a way to load early crypt setup before the suspend2disk resumes? |
| 13:56.25 | CaT[tm] | kuribas: if you need to ask what a work-in-progress os is then it's best you not run one. :) |
| 13:56.29 | sint | XTF: is this ok: http://sidux.net/files/misc/sources.list.d/debian.list ?? |
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| 13:56.54 | Raven007 | duns_s: why do you want to encrypt swap ? |
| 13:57.14 | CaT[tm] | so that people will not have access to the memroy that was dumped to disk |
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| 13:57.37 | duns_s | Raven007: because if you have a mobile device and you want to encrypt anything you should encrypt swap, too |
| 13:57.48 | Raven007 | duns_s: RSA key file = /etc/uswsusp.key |
| 13:57.51 | duns_s | at the same time i would like to keep suspend2disk working |
| 13:57.53 | Raven007 | encrypt = y |
| 13:57.54 | CaT[tm] | have an app eat lots of ram, thereby putting running apps to swap, shutdown, reboot, read swap to find contents of previously running apps |
| 13:58.01 | Raven007 | @ uswsusp.conf |
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| 13:58.54 | duns_s | Raven007: ok, this is different to s2disk, i guess |
| 13:59.03 | sint | how to find out which debian i have? |
| 13:59.07 | Raven007 | oh, sorry |
| 13:59.10 | Raven007 | thats swsusp2, right ? |
| 13:59.13 | CaT[tm] | sint: /etc/debian_version |
| 13:59.15 | Raven007 | lemme check that one :) |
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| 13:59.32 | sint | 4.0 |
| 13:59.36 | sint | whats that? |
| 13:59.49 | Ronin | etch |
| 13:59.49 | CaT[tm] | sint: /topic #debian |
| 14:00.10 | indraveni | Raven007, i am sorry, the system is too slow |
| 14:00.11 | CaT[tm] | or alternatively, www.debian.org |
| 14:00.12 | Raven007 | duns_s: well, i past over to uswsusp due tu ease of usage |
| 14:00.14 | duns_s | Raven007: ok it is right |
| 14:00.16 | sint | CaT[tm]: thanks, seems like etch |
| 14:00.21 | indraveni | Raven007, te output is here http://pastebin.ca/802630 |
| 14:00.32 | Raven007 | i don't have my swsusp2 conf files :( |
| 14:00.33 | duns_s | s2disk uses uswsusp with me |
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| 14:01.07 | indraveni | Raven007, any clues ? |
| 14:01.11 | duns_s | mmh |
| 14:01.12 | Raven007 | duns_s: yes, but you said suspend2disk |
| 14:01.40 | Raven007 | if that's s2disk, then my paste was spot-on :) |
| 14:01.42 | sint | so, if i have etch and i wanna have more newer versions of the software i can install. what i need to put into source list? testing? unstable? or else? |
| 14:01.55 | duns_s | this is still not working most likely, since uswsusp won't use the same encryption like luks uses |
| 14:01.57 | themill | Raven007: it could equally be suspend2, of course |
| 14:02.09 | themill | Raven007: a.k.a. TuxOnIce |
| 14:02.41 | cast | sint: use backports.org, backport it yourself [/msg dpkg simple sid backport] or compile it sans apt from source |
| 14:02.53 | indraveni | Raven007, any ideas ? |
| 14:03.04 | Raven007 | indraveni: i'm looking for this now ... |
| 14:03.12 | indraveni | ok |
| 14:03.14 | CaT[tm] | sint: www.backports.org |
| 14:03.18 | Raven007 | duns_s: yep, suspend2 != uswsusp |
| 14:03.27 | sint | thanks. i will check for it |
| 14:03.41 | duns_s | so if i use the dev-mapper to encrypt my swap space this won't work since the kernel cannot open the swap since it has no key, most likely it won't even recognize the swap space as a resumable swap space |
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| 14:04.11 | Raven007 | indraveni: ok, try to define you video memmory in xorg.conf |
| 14:04.22 | CaT[tm] | sint: if it's not in there then, as cast says, backport the packages yourself. it's not too hard to do even if you don't know how. just need the confidence to learn :) |
| 14:04.23 | duns_s | Raven007: /etc/uswsusp.conf(8) -- Configuration file for s2disk/s2both |
| 14:04.28 | Raven007 | looks like a bad_video_size assumption by the Xorg |
| 14:04.31 | duns_s | and i am using s2disk |
| 14:04.52 | duns_s | or better kpowersave |
| 14:04.54 | duns_s | uses it |
| 14:05.05 | CaT[tm] | sint: if you do go for out-of-package stuff, make sure it all installs into /usr/local or you'll enter maintenance hell. |
| 14:05.25 | duns_s | ah ok, i can use two different swap partitions |
| 14:05.27 | duns_s | ha |
| 14:05.35 | duns_s | great |
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| 14:05.49 | Raven007 | well, i still donno why you want to crypt the swap |
| 14:05.58 | Raven007 | since , reboot sorto' clears it :) |
| 14:06.05 | sint | CaT[tm]: i will try it, but i don't want to compile it by hand for now |
| 14:06.17 | sint | but i will give my best to get it work |
| 14:06.17 | CaT[tm] | sint: fair enough. |
| 14:06.18 | sint | :) |
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| 14:06.22 | duns_s | Raven007: well you can restore the data of the swap |
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| 14:06.38 | duns_s | Raven007: the kernel clears it, but it does *not* wipe it |
| 14:06.38 | Raven007 | and that's crypted by s2disk |
| 14:06.48 | Raven007 | ok, security freak :) |
| 14:06.49 | indraveni | Raven007, how to do that ? |
| 14:07.04 | CaT[tm] | sint: :) it's fun. I'm getting better at it all the time. even made my own package for private use (nothing release worthy) |
| 14:07.27 | duns_s | Raven007: well if you want to encrypt your home partition, you should as well encrypt or map tmp to memory and you should encrypt swap as well, so you can't leak data |
| 14:07.36 | duns_s | otherwise the concept is broken |
| 14:07.42 | duns_s | ;-) |
| 14:07.52 | Raven007 | indraveni: edit xorg.conf |
| 14:07.57 | sint | CaT[tm]: i know its fun to compile. but i wanna keep the stuff in the package system. this is just a vserver and i want it simple to run |
| 14:08.05 | Raven007 | search for the device section |
| 14:08.17 | Raven007 | add "VideoRam 65536" (or either size) |
| 14:08.20 | indraveni | ok, Raven007 thankyou |
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| 14:08.29 | Raven007 | that's in Kb |
| 14:08.41 | indraveni | will revert back to u later, |
| 14:08.47 | Raven007 | indraveni: that's a laptop or some other machine with video on board ? |
| 14:08.56 | duns_s | Raven007: you can still recover the data even if it has been overwritten several times, as far as i know |
| 14:09.04 | CaT[tm] | sint: aye, though I didn't mean that. it's interesting when you're backportiung a package and little things trip you up about the packaging that you have to solve. puzzle-stuff. :) |
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| 14:09.29 | duns_s | not the average thief can do that, but i prefer to use a sane setup (and i like to play a bit, of course...) ;-) |
| 14:09.30 | sint | CaT[tm]: got some gentoo boxes running here, i know about puzzling ;) |
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| 14:10.16 | indraveni | Raven007, desktop |
| 14:10.20 | duns_s | sint: use debian ;-) |
| 14:10.23 | sint | CaT[tm]: this time, its just a small webserver i want to keep clean from puzzling. but thanks for your help :) |
| 14:10.55 | su13 | themill: thank you |
| 14:11.00 | CaT[tm] | sint: hehe. i've rolled my own from the ground up. finding the proper source for the tarballs that form the base of the OS is more fun then most people realise :) |
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| 14:11.23 | themill | su13: np |
| 14:11.46 | rubymonk | Anyone else than me has vlc broken in testing ? |
| 14:11.54 | abrotman | everyone |
| 14:11.57 | themill | !why is vlc not in testing |
| 14:11.57 | dpkg | vlc is not in testing for the reasons listed in http://bjorn.haxx.se/debian/testing.pl?package=vlc |
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| 14:12.04 | themill | rubymonk: ^^ old news |
| 14:12.04 | rubymonk | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:12.08 | ViRUS | I'm currently bootstrapping a debian system and wonder what's the proper way of initializing the /dev directory. I got a running udev outside the chroot, but that one won't help much. Is it a good idea to just link mount /dev into /target/dev so the chroot got an up-to-date /dev, or is there a better way? |
| 14:12.27 | duns_s | sint: it is easy to puzzle with the real setup than to puzzle with compile stuff and keeping security in sync on gentoo... |
| 14:12.36 | rubymonk | themill, Didn't mean to say it's news |
| 14:12.39 | duns_s | s/easy/easier |
| 14:12.56 | sint | CaT[tm]: ya, i know. but sometime you don't have all the time to search for single tarballs. |
| 14:13.15 | CaT[tm] | sint: yeah. I moved to debian once I found it since then. :) |
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| 14:13.17 | rubymonk | hum... but all other softwares to read videos are crappy |
| 14:13.17 | Raven007 | duns_s: well, let's go to extremes |
| 14:13.19 | rubymonk | :( |
| 14:13.23 | themill | rubymonk: it's been like that for some months |
| 14:13.26 | duns_s | i mean you can focus on the actual configuration and keep package management to the *wise* maintainers intead of doing all yourself |
| 14:13.44 | CaT[tm] | sint: all the tidyness and flexibility I wanted with package management too. :) |
| 14:13.46 | rubymonk | themill, And still not fixed ? |
| 14:13.51 | rubymonk | Damn crap |
| 14:13.59 | duns_s | i've used gentoo on several machines for years and with having converted them to debian this year finally i would never think of going back |
| 14:14.20 | ViRUS | "mount --bind /dev /target/dev" outside the chroot gives me access to the devices, but I wonder if that's the proper way |
| 14:14.25 | abrotman | rubymonk: if you want a stable system .. use stable :) |
| 14:14.30 | duns_s | the only thing i've liked with gentoo was the nice colorful default bash setup |
| 14:14.35 | sint | CaT[tm]: ok, i got backports running, but it doesn't do what i want it to do. i have no php5 stuff in it |
| 14:14.38 | duns_s | and the nice init output |
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| 14:15.04 | rubymonk | abrotman, Can't, I need stuff that's only on lenny or sid... so I use the less willing to go break... |
| 14:15.08 | themill | rubymonk: it needs the vlc maintainers to change their deps or the britney/dpkg/apt maintainers to change the way version numbers are interpreted. |
| 14:15.15 | CaT[tm] | sint: etch has php5 btw. you may need to read the website about setting your package prefs properly. it wont install anything from backports.org by default |
| 14:15.19 | abrotman | rubymonk: vlc is in sid |
| 14:15.41 | rubymonk | abrotman, lenny is less supposed to break than sid |
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| 14:15.55 | abrotman | rubymonk: but when it does .. it's usually for longer |
| 14:15.57 | rubymonk | ok, so it should be fixed within little time |
| 14:16.01 | themill | rubymonk: lenny isn't broken by not having vlc |
| 14:16.22 | rubymonk | themill, Playing on words ? |
| 14:16.23 | abrotman | rubymonk: i wouldn't bet on vlc being fixed soon .. it's been busted for .. four months i think ? |
| 14:16.23 | sint | CaT[tm]: the problem with the server i'm running on is: there is no working source.list. so i have to rebuild it. maybe you can paste a cool source.list of etch anywhere? |
| 14:16.23 | rubymonk | :) |
| 14:16.26 | themill | rubymonk: there doesn't seem to be any action on this problem at all. |
| 14:16.39 | stew | one should expect testing to break less frequent, but when it breaks it breaks for a longer period of time |
| 14:17.17 | abrotman | [2007-06-29] vlc REMOVED from testing (Britney) |
| 14:17.23 | sint | CaT[tm]: i just need it to install a few webapps, like php5, lighttpd and some other things. lighttpd is in backports as i can see |
| 14:17.24 | abrotman | that's how long it's been out of testing |
| 14:17.41 | abrotman | you'd think the DPL could manage his packages better :) |
| 14:17.43 | rubymonk | shouldn't have dist-upgraded my testing :P |
| 14:17.44 | themill | rubymonk: I'm not sure if the maintainers haven't noticed the problem or what the story is. I couldn't find a bug for these strange deps that are keeping it out of testing. |
| 14:17.45 | Raven007 | duns_s: sorry , some dev is bugging me :) |
| 14:17.46 | Raven007 | so |
| 14:17.54 | Raven007 | duns_s: if you wanna be safe |
| 14:18.04 | Raven007 | mount swap over a ramdisk or smth ... |
| 14:18.09 | Raven007 | or |
| 14:18.10 | CaT[tm] | sint: these are all in etch I believe. one sec. |
| 14:18.13 | themill | abrotman: now now... |
| 14:18.14 | Raven007 | mount swap from a file |
| 14:18.31 | abrotman | themill: i was kidding .. i understand how it works .. and i'm not upset with no vlc in testing |
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| 14:18.32 | duns_s | Raven007: it is ok, the solution is to create two swap partitions |
| 14:18.34 | rubymonk | ok... if I want vlc of sid in my testing... how can I do ? change sources.list, install vlc and change back my sources.list ? |
| 14:18.38 | themill | abrotman: ;) |
| 14:18.41 | rubymonk | or is there a better way ? |
| 14:18.48 | abrotman | !tell rubymonk about simple sid backport |
| 14:18.51 | sorin | can anybody tell me if the kernel that comes with etch is compiled with support for software RAID 1 ? |
| 14:18.58 | abrotman | yes |
| 14:19.00 | rubymonk | abrotman, Thanks |
| 14:19.10 | duns_s | for two different types of encryption (dev-mapper and uswsusp rsa) |
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| 14:19.35 | stew | themill: it was waiting on libcaca which was uploaded yesterday, but now its going to have to wait for libc6 2.7 |
| 14:19.42 | abrotman | eh .. glibc is in freeze? |
| 14:19.43 | jelly | rubymonk: nah, your method is quicker than backporting ;-) |
| 14:20.23 | themill | stew: last time I looked it was stuck on a beta4 > beta12 lex sort rather than numerical sort in its deps |
| 14:20.47 | jelly | rubymonk: or you could learn how to use pinning and have unstable in sources.list all the time (but not install any packages from it automagically) |
| 14:21.35 | rubymonk | jelly, Or get tired and finally move, as it was planned for months this machine to freebsd.... but I been too lazy for this.... :P |
| 14:21.48 | sorin | or where could I find that information ? |
| 14:21.55 | Raven007 | well, i'm off due to eng-dev pounding on me :) |
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| 14:21.58 | Raven007 | have a nice day |
| 14:22.13 | themill | stew: actually, my reading of the haxx page is that this is still the case. Requires >= 0.99.beta4-1 but testing has 0.99.beta12.debian-3. The way debian handles versions means that beta4 > beta12 as it's not purely numeric and there's no . or - to force numeric comparison after the beta. |
| 14:22.18 | jelly | rubymonk: Debian/kfreebsd! :-) |
| 14:22.23 | rubymonk | :P |
| 14:22.33 | sint | CaT[tm]: can you paste me your source.list? |
| 14:22.56 | jelly | themill: hm, someone doesn't know about ~ yet? |
| 14:23.12 | rubymonk | I might move for fbsd 7 when it will be out since a while and tested... meaning probably.... 7.1 or 7.2 :P |
| 14:23.35 | themill | jelly: seems so. I guess it's really the libcac maintainer that's the problem... but it's that in combination with the versioned deps in vlc |
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| 14:23.54 | themill | jelly: hmmm... that's the dpl again.... |
| 14:23.57 | themill | ;) |
| 14:24.04 | cast | sorin7486: man mdadm perhaps |
| 14:25.48 | sorin7486 | cast: I just want to know if I should recompile the kernel after a fresh etch install |
| 14:25.54 | cast | sorin7486: no. |
| 14:26.08 | sorin7486 | thank you sir :) |
| 14:26.48 | CaT[tm] | sint: I'm on pure console. one sec. |
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| 14:27.47 | sint | CaT[tm]: you don't need to paste it on a website! can paste it here, but maybe on private channel |
| 14:28.10 | themill | !pastebin |
| 14:28.10 | dpkg | Please don't paste anything into the channel; use a paste site instead, like: http://paste.lisp.org or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://pastebin.ca/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. --- Also ask me: <pastebin pipe> |
| 14:28.11 | stew | themill: dpkg --compare-versions 0.99.beta4-1 \< 0.99.beta12.debian-3 && echo yes |
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| 14:28.29 | Jyzygzel- | how open .tar.bz2 |
| 14:28.35 | stew | Jyzygzel-: /msg dpkg tar |
| 14:28.39 | Jyzygzel- | /msg dpkg tar |
| 14:28.46 | stew | dpkg: tell Jyzygzel- about tar |
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| 14:29.17 | Jyzygzel- | tar: bzip2: Cannot exec: No such file or directory |
| 14:29.18 | sint | themill: i told him not to paste into channel ;) |
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| 14:29.27 | Jyzygzel- | sudo tar xjf linux-2.6.23.9.tar.bz2 |
| 14:29.42 | sint | its kinda mess to paste into websites if your on console |
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| 14:29.56 | themill | sint: yeah, but usually preferably not to encourage pms and if it's in a pastebin, others will probably look at it too and that helps share around the load. |
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| 14:29.58 | Jyzygzel- | does not work |
| 14:30.03 | Jyzygzel- | any other? |
| 14:30.17 | Jyzygzel- | ls |
| 14:30.20 | ViRUS | update-grub always inserts "savedefault" inside my menu.lst which would desync my mdraid ... how can I get rid of that option per default, when running update-grub? |
| 14:30.23 | stew | Jyzygzel-: what makes you say it didn't work? did you get an error? |
| 14:30.34 | Jyzygzel- | -rw-r--r-- 1 root src 45476434 2007-11-26 19:57 linux-2.6.23.9.tar.bz2 |
| 14:30.45 | Jyzygzel- | tar: bzip2: Cannot exec: No such file or directory |
| 14:30.45 | Jyzygzel- | tar: Error is not recoverable: exiting now |
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| 14:31.11 | stew | Jyzygzel-: aptitude install bzip2 |
| 14:31.17 | cast | w3m rafb.net/paste, go to the paste field, vi opens as editor, :r /etc/apt/sources.list, win fabulous prizes |
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| 14:31.36 | CaT[tm] | sint: there. that should tidy you over for the most part :) |
| 14:31.48 | sint | thanks alot :) |
| 14:32.00 | themill | stew: hmmm... so maybe it's just britney then... For most of the last 4 months, the vlc not in testing has just been that single line about the libcaca dep not being satisfied in testing (and that testing version == sid version). I thought I had read through the policy on versions and decided that was a correct interpretation of the versions. |
| 14:32.00 | CaT[tm] | paste sites are great until they have a captcha and you're in non-fb console :) |
| 14:32.08 | themill | stew: But it seems not.... |
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| 14:33.20 | stew | i hope britney doesn't have her own implementation of --compare-versions |
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| 14:35.13 | ViRUS | Is "savedefault=false" a ubuntu specific hack for /boot/grub/menu.lst. Every time I call update-grub it just removes that line and adds the "savedefault" to all kernel images again. |
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| 14:36.06 | ViRUS | I did not uncomment this option - just left it with the single # as it's supposed to be. |
| 14:36.53 | CaT[tm] | sint: i go snooze now. good luck :) |
| 14:37.07 | sint | CaT[tm]: ya, thanks alot!! |
| 14:37.32 | stew | ViRUS: you should file a wishlist bug against grub about this: /msg dpkg reportbug |
| 14:37.45 | onur | Hi. I just install debian testing now. I want to install gnome. But gnome have a depend problem with gnome-office package. Can i install gnome without gnome-office package or old gnome-office package? |
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| 14:38.20 | ViRUS | stew, are you telling me all people running a dmraid with debian are simply doomed? O_o |
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| 14:38.31 | stew | ViRUS: uh, no? |
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| 14:38.55 | ViRUS | stew, doesn't the savedefault option cause the dmraid to desync? |
| 14:39.04 | stew | ViRUS: i don't know |
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| 14:39.13 | stew | ViRUS: i don't see how they woudl be related |
| 14:39.38 | stew | ViRUS: i don't know what grub-set-default has to do with dmraid |
| 14:39.40 | xoz | onur: gnome depends on gnome-office among others. |
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| 14:39.52 | ViRUS | stew, /boot is inside a dmraid on my setup |
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| 14:40.01 | stew | ViRUS: ok |
| 14:40.12 | ViRUS | stew, I might be wrong, but does savedefault just do nothing if "default saved" is not set? |
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| 14:40.39 | stew | ViRUS: that's my understanding |
| 14:41.10 | ViRUS | The comment inside the default menu.lst is a bit weird. It warns not to enable "default saved" otherwise the dmraid will desync, but I always thought the "savedefault" option of the boot options actually cause writing the default to disk. |
| 14:41.12 | h3sp4wn | onur: testing with something so big as gnome I would consider to just be a world of pain |
| 14:41.16 | stew | onur: "apt-cache show gnome" look at the Depends: line, if you want gnome without gnome office, install everything on that depends line except gnome-office |
| 14:41.34 | xoz | !depends gnome |
| 14:41.36 | dpkg | gnome: depends on gnome-desktop-environment (= 1:2.18.3.1), gnome-office (= 1:2.18.3.1), gdm-themes, gnome-cups-manager (>= 0.30), gnome-themes-extras, gnome-games-extra-data, gstreamer0.10-plugins-ugly (>= 0.10.3), rhythmbox (>= 0.10), synaptic (>= 0.53.4) | gnome-apt, tomboy (>= 0.6.3), totem-mozilla |
| 14:41.47 | xoz | onur: just choose those except gnome-office |
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| 14:42.07 | stew | ViRUS: yes, savedefault would actually cause writing the default to disk. i dunno if that is enough to damage the dmraid |
| 14:42.08 | onur | I am installing gnome-core |
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| 14:42.31 | h3sp4wn | onur: Its rarely in properly (and the maintainers always add it to ubuntu development branch first) later to Debian |
| 14:42.41 | john_scrotum | just do apt-get install gnome-core if you don't want the fluff. |
| 14:42.45 | h3sp4wn | onur: (i.e in and complete) |
| 14:43.05 | john_scrotum | you don't have to install the extra stuff that gets installed with the gnome package. |
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| 14:43.23 | stew | i guess this is another reason to use lilo instead of grub |
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| 14:43.38 | ViRUS | stew, ubuntu has a patch in grub which provides an additional option to disable creation of the "savedefault" lines. Though either those lines are harmless if "default saved" is not set OR ppl. using debian with dmraid for /boot are doomed... :-( |
| 14:43.39 | onur | ok thans john_scrotum |
| 14:44.04 | stew | ViRUS: so use update-grub from ubuntu, please file a bug against grub in debian with this info |
| 14:44.14 | ViRUS | aye... will do so. |
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| 14:44.34 | stew | ViRUS: i can understand now how savedefault could be harmful, even without "default saved" |
| 14:44.42 | john_scrotum | !depends gnome-core |
| 14:44.44 | dpkg | gnome-core: depends on gnome-control-center (>= 1:2.18.1), eog (>= 2.18.2), gedit (>= 2.18.1), gnome-applets (>= 2.18.0), gnome-icon-theme (>= 2.18.0), gnome-menus (>= 2.18.2), gnome-panel (>= 2.18.2), gnome-session (>= 2.18.2), gnome-terminal (>= 2.18.0), metacity (>= 1:2.18.3) | sawfish, nautilus (>= 2.18.1), scrollkeeper, yelp (>= 2.18.1) |
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| 14:47.03 | abrotman | !install gnome |
| 14:47.03 | dpkg | To install GNOME on sarge or later, install 'gnome' to install everything, install 'gnome-desktop-environment' to install slightly less stuff, or install 'gnome-core' to install even less. You will need X installed to use GNOME, ask me about <set up x>. |
| 14:47.06 | abrotman | john_scrotum: ^^ |
| 14:47.30 | ViRUS | stew, maybe savedefault doesn't do anything if "default saved" is not given, but I don't think so... wouldn't make any sense as the bootmenu items are just cmds which are executed upon selecting an item inside the boot menu. |
| 14:47.35 | onur | ok thanks everyone :) |
| 14:47.59 | stew | ViRUS: i would assume that savedefault does something in any case |
| 14:48.54 | lymeca | I'm trying to set up a full-on Debian leaf mirror and am running into troubles with the anonftpsync script: |
| 14:48.58 | lymeca | ERROR: Help, something weird happened |
| 14:48.58 | lymeca | mirroring /pool exited with exitcode 255 |
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| 14:50.08 | ViRUS | stew, ok, that was my guess too. And that's what really scares me right now as enabling savedefault for every single menu entry is plainly dangerous. |
| 14:52.35 | walterbrunswick | !dpkg help backports |
| 14:52.55 | walterbrunswick | !backports |
| 14:52.55 | dpkg | from memory, backport is a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and ABI complications. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-package.en.html#s-port or http://backports.org/ or http://www.apt-get.org/ or ask me about <simple sid backport> and <backport caveat>, or <backports.org> |
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| 14:56.12 | ViRUS | stew, just asked in #grub and it really seams that "savedefault" desyncs your mdraid regardless of the setting of "default". I really wonder why nobody realized that yet. And the comment inside the default menu.lst is highly misleading as "default saved" does nothing dangerous while savedefault is the evil part of it. |
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| 14:59.00 | Strogg | 'lo 'lo |
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| 15:00.18 | Strogg | Does anyone know what would be involved in being able to hear my audio line in? |
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| 15:01.56 | klim_ | hi, what kind of filesystems can GPT partition type support? |
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| 15:03.15 | ViRUS | stew, http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=393079 |
| 15:03.18 | FastPutty | is there a way to keep a gateway you create with iproute. because everytime i reload the interface or my vpn, i lose it |
| 15:03.28 | ViRUS | stew, it's already been reported but not considered critical and just left as is... weird. |
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| 15:04.46 | stew | are they saying grub2 will be the default for lenny? |
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| 15:05.13 | FastPutty | what's better? lilo vs grub :P |
| 15:05.31 | abrotman | FastPutty: depends what you need .. usually grub |
| 15:05.35 | stew | FastPutty: they each have their own advantages |
| 15:06.07 | stew | FastPutty: lilo is leaner and meaner which makes it work in a bunch of situations where grub wouldn't. grub is more featureful |
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| 15:06.31 | xoz | grub has grub prompt during boot so you can edit your config if something is wrong. not sure if the latest lilo supports this |
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| 15:07.06 | stew | lilo has had that for at least 10 years |
| 15:07.15 | abrotman | stew: grub2 is already in lenny |
| 15:07.17 | FastPutty | grub is prretty old too |
| 15:07.19 | stew | if not since its inception |
| 15:07.26 | stew | abrotman: yes, but is it the default in d-i? |
| 15:07.39 | abrotman | dunno .. haven't tried any recent d-i dailies |
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| 15:08.18 | stew | me neither. something tells me that when they switch to grub2 we'll know from the people asking wierd questions in here |
| 15:08.29 | mmlj4 | using postfix on debian, I keep getting "SASL authentication problem: unknown password verifier" and "SASL PLAIN authentication failed: no mechanism available". I've specified 'MECHANISMS="pam"' in /etc/default/saslauthd ...What am I missing? |
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| 15:09.46 | abrotman | well .. the bug reports that as long as you don't use any evms/lvm/reiser .. it seems okay :) |
| 15:09.49 | stew | i'm disappointed that nobody has yet come in here demanding free qmail debs for stable |
| 15:10.07 | abrotman | or raid ... |
| 15:10.17 | abrotman | why? |
| 15:10.22 | abrotman | did djb change the license? |
| 15:10.26 | stew | yes, yesterday |
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| 15:10.32 | abrotman | oh .. jeez |
| 15:10.34 | stew | abrotman: its public domain now |
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| 15:11.35 | abrotman | but what's the license? or there isn't one at all? |
| 15:12.08 | Ronin | abrotman: http://cr.yp.to/qmail/dist.html |
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| 15:12.20 | abrotman | i see |
| 15:13.14 | abrotman | so he's not going to maintain it anymore? |
| 15:13.20 | abrotman | erm .. you know what i mean :) |
| 15:13.36 | Ronin | not that he's been doing much, wonder if he did this as he'd getting ready to release qmail2 |
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| 15:15.57 | themill | stew: where's my free qmail debs for stable? |
| 15:15.59 | abrotman | seems like a bad thing but whatever |
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| 15:16.37 | stew | themill: /msg dpkg maint-guide |
| 15:16.42 | themill | heh |
| 15:16.50 | themill | wouldn't touch it with a barge pole |
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| 15:17.11 | abrotman | the maint-guide or qmail? |
| 15:17.15 | themill | "dead upstream" is normally a reason for removal not a reason for packaging. |
| 15:17.29 | stew | themill: yeah, you are going to become upstream as well |
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| 15:18.02 | themill | rather be disemboweled with a blunt spoon |
| 15:18.05 | stew | you can rename it qmill |
| 15:18.09 | abrotman | themill: hasn't the upstream been stagnant for years? |
| 15:18.25 | stew | instead it has become patchtastic |
| 15:18.29 | abrotman | heh |
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| 15:18.37 | themill | abrotman: I believe so. Never touch the thing. postfix for me too |
| 15:18.55 | abrotman | i touched it .. took a year to get the stink off |
| 15:19.12 | themill | ewwww abrotman's unclean... |
| 15:19.19 | stew | he has cakebutt |
| 15:19.25 | abrotman | when i started here ... they were using qmail+ezmlm |
| 15:19.31 | abrotman | and i don't remember which pop3d |
| 15:19.40 | abrotman | and .. it was a RH box .. |
| 15:19.43 | themill | qpopper ... just to collect the st |
| 15:19.47 | themill | *set |
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| 15:24.53 | alakx | Hello, where can i change the start command for pure-ftp ? I mean in which file are they located ? |
| 15:25.15 | alakx | I need to change the start cmd..add virtual-users cmd |
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| 15:30.47 | abrotman | alakx: likely /etc/init.d/proftpd |
| 15:30.50 | abrotman | erm .. pure-ftpd |
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| 15:33.22 | fjfalcon | hello all, i just installed debian etch, where can i found sources.list(i mean what i should put there) |
| 15:33.45 | abrotman | !sources.list |
| 15:33.46 | dpkg | Your /etc/apt/sources.list should have a line like "deb http://ftp.<cc>.debian.org/debian etch main" and "deb http://security.debian.org/ etch/updates main" where <cc> is your country code. Be sure to run "aptitude update" after editing sources.list in order to refresh your database. Also see <mirrors> <etch security> <testing security> and /usr/share/doc/apt/examples/sources.list |
| 15:34.11 | fjfalcon | thank you |
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| 15:34.59 | amol | hi to all ...i have downloaded debian installer on my system till check-builddeps i did..but now i want to make customize..i.e changing logo how i can make it |
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| 15:36.37 | Samaseon | what's the proper way to configure interfaces in stable debian 4.0? do i just edit /etc/network/interfaces? |
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| 15:37.31 | keith4 | Samaseon: ...yes |
| 15:38.01 | Samaseon | there is no configure tool? |
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| 15:38.51 | keith4 | Samaseon: probably is... but why would you want to use it? |
| 15:39.11 | keith4 | unless you're doing something crazy, /etc/network/interfaces is usually about 5 lines |
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| 15:39.30 | Samaseon | well e.g. when installing, there is this nice interface where one can specify IP, DNS etc |
| 15:39.48 | Samaseon | i have 2 ethernet cards, i'm making a firewall |
| 15:39.58 | Samaseon | but ok i'll just edit it by hand, thank you |
| 15:40.03 | vipersniper | how can i fix this problem /usr/sbin/dpkg-reconfigure: locales is broken or not fully installed |
| 15:40.16 | abrotman | apt-get -f install |
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| 15:41.44 | vipersniper | abrotman, apt-get -f install does not fix it |
| 15:41.57 | abrotman | what does it do? |
| 15:42.20 | vipersniper | Building dependency tree... Done |
| 15:42.20 | vipersniper | 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 691 not upgraded |
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| 15:42.50 | themill | vipersniper: sid? |
| 15:43.00 | vipersniper | yes |
| 15:43.01 | leOn | while running 2 X sessions, is there any other more "automate" way to switch between the sessions without having to use Ctrl+Alt+F7/F8 for instance .. |
| 15:43.11 | abrotman | vipersniper: aptitude reinstall locales ? |
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| 15:43.26 | abrotman | leOn: chvt perhaps |
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| 15:44.13 | leOn | a shell command or something ... either that or specify that even if there's more than one ... it should focus on a certain one uppon startup |
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| 15:45.21 | themill | vipersniper: there was a breakage to locales a couple of weeks ago, and locales is now part of the glibc 2.7 transition. That's not going to help... |
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| 15:46.04 | vipersniper | themill, what will help :) |
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| 15:46.22 | SamuraiDio | where do i download testing netinst images? i never find the testing download area |
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| 15:46.27 | Insolit | guys i need urgent help, anyone experienced with resizing a reiserfs partition? It seems i have to zero the block at 64K offset from the start of the partition and try to move the start of the partition a few cylinders aside... |
| 15:46.27 | leOn | abrotman: seems that it'll do the trick yes .. thanks |
| 15:46.30 | leOn | =) |
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| 15:48.39 | dryrot | did reiserfs kill your inodes |
| 15:49.07 | abrotman | !d-i SamuraiDio |
| 15:49.07 | dpkg | SamuraiDio, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/debian-installer/ Or http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ (if you've got hardware that the 4.0r0 installer doesn't support) for your own good, and everyone else's. |
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| 15:49.22 | SamuraiDio | i found already |
| 15:49.38 | SamuraiDio | to install Debina on a Recent Notebook, whats the better version for me? |
| 15:49.43 | SamuraiDio | testing or unstable? |
| 15:49.50 | far0k | hi |
| 15:49.55 | far0k | far0k>hi does anyone know of a mail testing app / script that generates loads of random mail to test the performance/throughput of a mail server? |
| 15:49.57 | far0k | <Haris>far0k: debian has one, I forget its name, ask in #debian |
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| 15:51.28 | themill | !tell SamuraiDio about installing lenny |
| 15:52.07 | themill | SamuraiDio: unstable is almost never the right version to use. Stable is probably right unless you have particular hardware needs that can't be met using backports.org. |
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| 15:53.45 | far0k | far0k>hi does anyone know of a mail testing app / script that generates loads of random mail to test the performance/throughput of a mail server? |
| 15:53.47 | far0k | <Haris>far0k: debian has one, I forget its name, ask in #debian <<< Any Ideas? |
| 15:54.02 | abrotman | far0k: postal |
| 15:54.09 | abrotman | !info postal etch |
| 15:54.30 | dpkg | postal: (SMTP benchmark - the mad postman.), section utils, is optional. Version: 0.62.1+b1 (etch), Packaged size: 60 kB, Installed size: 184 kB |
| 15:54.39 | far0k | sorry i thought i posted teh 2nd one in #ubuntu |
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| 15:54.43 | dkr | closest I came up with was, clamav-testfiles |
| 15:54.54 | dkr | postal is a great name for it, though |
| 15:55.26 | abrotman | one of the binaries is named 'rabid' |
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| 16:00.42 | far0k | thanks abrotman postal looks like the man |
| 16:01.34 | abrotman | far0k: i think there's another .. might want to check freshmeat.net |
| 16:01.40 | abrotman | (in case you need another) |
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| 16:05.33 | Jyzygzel- | what the name for a tool which lets you see what a process has on its memory |
| 16:06.26 | dutchfish | how can i create an -s "all except foo" reject rule in iptables without icmp reply in debian iptables? |
| 16:06.39 | petemc | dutchfish: ! |
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| 16:07.00 | dutchfish | petemc, ? |
| 16:07.17 | dutchfish | petemc, ah .. ok ! = not |
| 16:07.18 | petemc | dutchfish: standard negation notation |
| 16:07.26 | petemc | right |
| 16:08.08 | dutchfish | petemc, so something like iptables A INPUT tcp -s ! x.x.x.x .... blah? |
| 16:08.16 | petemc | aye |
| 16:08.33 | dutchfish | petemc, thank you very much :) |
| 16:08.38 | petemc | np |
| 16:09.32 | dutchfish | petemc, not queit yet, its now with icmp replay i need it to be without icmp reply |
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| 16:09.55 | dutchfish | petemc, reply* |
| 16:10.01 | petemc | dutchfish: if i can offer some advice, theres no benefit to blocking icmp |
| 16:10.09 | petemc | and lots of drawbacks |
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| 16:10.18 | dutchfish | petemc, other then cpu cycles? |
| 16:10.36 | petemc | thats not a factor i consider, for that |
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| 16:11.00 | dutchfish | petemc, or do i better do a silent drop rule then? |
| 16:11.10 | petemc | dutchfish: why do you feel the need to do anything? |
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| 16:11.44 | dutchfish | petemc, ok, fair enough, got it |
| 16:11.48 | abrotman | dutchfish: why drop icmp at all |
| 16:11.48 | Jyzygzel- | what the name for a tool which lets you see what a process has on its memory |
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| 16:12.48 | Jyzygzel- | i want to find where a program stores cordinates as i change them |
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| 16:13.52 | dutchfish | petemc, last q, do you know by change what the first 3 lines in iptables-save mean those x:x lines? |
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| 16:14.59 | dutchfish | petemc, ok, got it already, ... counter states |
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| 16:15.32 | mic_p | Hi all. A simple question. I'm looking for the giude for update sarge to etch. I remember that I read it ome time ago on the debian.org site, I cannot find it... Someone? Thanks! |
| 16:15.57 | stew | dutchfish: packet:byte count |
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| 16:16.12 | dutchfish | stew, ah/ok thx :) |
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| 16:16.22 | ts_ | Using DD, how would I go about taking an image from one USB stick, and then output it to another concurrently, as in, as it's taking the image from one usb stick - the data then goes onto the other usb stick. Instead of having to read the whole image to dump it on the disk, then having to put it onto the next one after it completes? Thanks |
| 16:16.57 | dutchfish | !tell mic_p about sarge->etch |
| 16:17.37 | stew | ts_: "dd if=/dev/sda of=/dev/sdb" would copy from sda to sdb, but there is no reason to use dd, you can just "cp /dev/sda /dev/sdb" |
| 16:17.51 | ViRUS | ts_, how about "dd if=/dev/input_device of=/dev/output_device"? |
| 16:17.57 | ts_ | stew: ah, but thing is I have partitions on my USB stick |
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| 16:18.05 | ts_ | anyway thanks a lot. |
| 16:18.14 | mic_p | dutchfish: Thanks, found it! |
| 16:18.15 | Jyzygzel- | what the name for a tool which lets you see what a process has on its memory |
| 16:18.16 | stew | ts_: and you want to copy all the partitions? or just one? or what? |
| 16:18.43 | ts_ | stew: exact clone. all partitions |
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| 16:19.12 | ViRUS | ts_, when connecting the stick you should get a /dev/sd? device for the entire stick and /dev/sd?1 for the first partition |
| 16:19.26 | dutchfish | Jyzygzel-, man ps ? |
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| 16:20.32 | stew | ts_: then "cp /dev/sda /dev/sdb" it will copy every bit on the disk, including partition tables and all partitions |
| 16:20.47 | Ronin | Jyzygzel-: you mean like top ? |
| 16:21.10 | RichiH | not any more |
| 16:21.13 | RichiH | erm |
| 16:21.15 | RichiH | wrong window |
| 16:21.16 | stew | Ronin: i think he wants to actually examine the contents |
| 16:21.34 | stew | RichiH: i'm guessing that was for me :) |
| 16:21.36 | ViRUS | stew, btw. what's the benefit of using cp over dd? I've never thought of using cp for that tasks - it surely works, but for some reason I always stuck to dd. |
| 16:21.37 | dkr | Jyzygzel-: gtop and qps have feature to show memory blocks/addresses used by a proc |
| 16:21.45 | ts_ | stew: why would I use cp instead of dd? |
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| 16:22.02 | stew | ViRUS: cp would use a better blocksize |
| 16:22.03 | RichiH | stew: aye |
| 16:22.22 | dkr | dd gives more fine-grained control |
| 16:22.24 | Ronin | stew: ahh |
| 16:22.34 | dkr | like if you just want to copy 512 bytes or so. :) |
| 16:22.51 | amol | hi to all...how to customize debian installer |
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| 16:23.19 | clamiax | Doesn't links (not Elinks or others) support tabs? |
| 16:23.26 | stew | ts_: "dd if=a of=b" and "cp a b" do the same thing, cp would use a 4k blocksize on most systems, it has the ability to be smarter about how it chooses a blocksize. "dd if=a of=b bs=4k" would roughly be the same thing, but then "cp a b" is just easier to type and remember and understand anyway |
| 16:23.27 | ViRUS | stew, that's why I usually specify the bs option |
| 16:23.38 | onur | Hi. Alsa does not working when i normal user, it is working when i root. What is the problem? |
| 16:24.02 | ViRUS | stew, understood. Never thought of cp as deciding what blocksize to use dynamically. But you're indeed right. |
| 16:24.08 | ts_ | stew: do I have to umount when I us cp? |
| 16:24.11 | ts_ | use* |
| 16:24.41 | stew | ts_: no, but it would not be recommended to have it mounted rw |
| 16:24.42 | ViRUS | ts_, you really should unmount before doing anything with the blockdevice as you would drive your filesystem driver crazy otherwise |
| 16:24.57 | stew | mounted readonly is fine |
| 16:25.15 | ts_ | stew: well, when I plug it in (using ubuntu) it mounts it as read and write |
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| 16:26.34 | stew | ViRUS: i don't know that cp does it dymically, i think it might just try to guess a good blocksize at compile time based on headers in /usr/include/$arch ; but i'm not sure |
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| 16:28.49 | ts_ | stew: I shall try to do the exact same thing with DD using bs=1M and tell you if it's any faster |
| 16:30.05 | K_Dallas | is this bad? (fdisk says: partition 1 does no end on cylinder boundary. 2479 unallocated sectors) |
| 16:31.00 | stew | sneex: cp doens't know what its copying, it just sucks bits out of the source, and puts them in the target. when you read from a block device it can look just like some other file that you open, read bits from, get an EOF, then close |
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| 16:31.58 | SamuraiDio | where can i find info abour opengl support on graphic cards for linux? |
| 16:32.00 | ts_ | stew: it's taking mighty long this cp copy. Then again I don't know the status of the target usb stick because it does not have a flashing light on it. |
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| 16:33.54 | h3sp4wn | SamuraiDio: free or non-free ? |
| 16:34.41 | h3sp4wn | SamuraiDio: http://www.xig.com/Pages/Edu/LinuxGraphicsProblems.pdf |
| 16:34.52 | h3sp4wn | SamuraiDio: (That is worth reading) |
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| 16:36.40 | vorpal | hi folks. i'm running etch, but xserver-xorg-video-intel is currently only available in sid. how would i go about backporting it? is this a risky proposition? |
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| 16:37.17 | h3sp4wn | vorpal: Not that risky |
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| 16:38.04 | Nyle | !simple sid backport |
| 16:38.04 | dpkg | First: See if the package has already been backported. Ask me about <backports>. If it hasn't, 1) Add a deb-src line for sid to your sources.list. 2) apt-get update 3) apt-get build-dep packagename;apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resultant debs. |
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| 16:38.49 | vorpal | thanks, h3sp4wn, Nyle |
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| 16:39.36 | h3sp4wn | vorpal: Its not just that you would have to backport a few other bits |
| 16:39.42 | agentbob | hey all, i'm trying to find changelog for lighttpd packge in etch.. but it's missing for latest one ( http://packages.debian.org/stable/web/lighttpd ) anyone know how to check if the fastcgi vul'n was patched? |
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| 16:40.24 | Nyle | anyway to fix/repair a broken/damaged/corrupted PDF in debian? |
| 16:40.36 | Nyle | any tools like that for linux, see a ton for windows on google none for linux |
| 16:41.17 | Nyle | but wait |
| 16:41.19 | vorpal | h3sp4wn: i see... thanks again |
| 16:41.29 | Nyle | im sure and positive that etch has suppoot for 'intel' gpu |
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| 16:41.45 | Nyle | maybe I'm not upto date on how the driver packages work |
| 16:41.52 | Nyle | but can't etch run an onboard intel gpu? |
| 16:42.30 | Nyle | its gotta have a driver for it, maybe not THAT particular package |
| 16:42.38 | themill | Nyle: i180 |
| 16:42.45 | stew | agentbob: do you know the CVE id? was the problem in fastcgi or in lighttpd? |
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| 16:43.01 | Nyle | vorpal: which intel igp do you have on board? |
| 16:43.04 | Nyle | themill: thanks |
| 16:43.09 | Nyle | hi stew |
| 16:43.23 | stew | Nyle: happy friday |
| 16:43.43 | Nyle | stew: yup, need a new car battery here soon as I get out of the house, then work tonight :) |
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| 16:43.54 | Nyle | stew: happy friday to you nonetheless |
| 16:44.19 | Nyle | themill: europe? |
| 16:44.21 | vorpal | Nyle, GM965 |
| 16:44.22 | Nyle | themill: aus? |
| 16:44.24 | stew | Nyle: debian gettogether tonight in brooklyn |
| 16:44.33 | agentbob | stew: how do i find the CVE id ? was a problem in fastcgi mod for lighttpd http://www.securityfocus.com/bid/25622/solution |
| 16:44.36 | Nyle | stew: oh really |
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| 16:44.41 | Nyle | stew: why brooklyn |
| 16:44.44 | microtux | hi |
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| 16:44.50 | Nyle | i have heard bad stories about that place |
| 16:44.59 | Nyle | people getting robbed and mugged |
| 16:45.01 | themill | Nyle: .uk (yeah I know. it's always miserable and raining... but today more so that usual... and winter time it's dark at 4pm or earlier on a cloudy day :( ) |
| 16:45.05 | Nyle | shootings etc. |
| 16:45.11 | microtux | i just istalled Debian Lenny and idon't found apt-setup ?? |
| 16:45.26 | Nyle | themill: I love that atmosphere/wethear |
| 16:45.34 | stew | Nyle: i assume you are kidding. becuase most of us that decided to get together live in brooklyn or close enough |
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| 16:45.51 | Nyle | stew: how far is it from queens? |
| 16:45.54 | microtux | was it replace by another command ? |
| 16:45.59 | Nyle | stew: gimme the address I'll see if i can make it |
| 16:46.19 | Nyle | I might drag rahul along with me |
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| 16:46.28 | Nyle | rahul: ping |
| 16:46.46 | h3sp4wn | vorpal: http://kanotix.com/files/fix/xorg-intel/ (that is the packages you would probably need to do) |
| 16:46.49 | Nyle | wake up |
| 16:47.02 | Nyle | h3sp4wn: why is he going to kanotix.com? |
| 16:47.16 | stew | Nyle: http://www.pacificstandardbrooklyn.com/ http://tinyurl.com/267hlw |
| 16:47.17 | h3sp4wn | Nyle: he wants to backport X to etch |
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| 16:47.25 | Nyle | microtux: i don't think apt-setup is around anymore is it |
| 16:47.31 | Nyle | what? |
| 16:47.34 | Nyle | why? |
| 16:47.40 | Nyle | h3sp4wn: did you ask him why? |
| 16:47.48 | Nyle | h3sp4wn: are there any alternatives he can take? |
| 16:47.50 | h3sp4wn | Nyle: to use xserver-xorg-video-intel |
| 16:47.52 | Nyle | its not a trivial taak to backprot xorg |
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| 16:47.59 | Nyle | task* |
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| 16:48.04 | stew | microtux: apt-set is no longer maintained as a standalone binary |
| 16:48.09 | stew | err apt-setup |
| 16:48.21 | h3sp4wn | No it is not but its made alot easier if you know which packages you have to backport |
| 16:48.24 | microtux | stew, Nyle, ok, so how can i add repositories to my sources.list. is there another command |
| 16:48.30 | Nyle | so we just tell people about !mirrors |
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| 16:48.33 | Nyle | !mirrors |
| 16:48.33 | dpkg | methinks debian mirrors is http://www.debian.org/mirror/list or ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/README.mirrors.txt | ask me about <apt-setup> or <apt-spy> | to make a mirror, see http://www.debian.org/mirrors/ |
| 16:48.40 | stew | microtux: sensible-editor /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 16:48.41 | Nyle | microtux: try that |
| 16:49.08 | Nyle | microtux: sensible-editor would probably spawn nano on a default deb install |
| 16:49.30 | Nyle | an use any text editor you like |
| 16:49.40 | agentbob | stew: any ideas? also, there's a lighttpd 1.4.18 listed in http://packages.debian.org/changelogs/pool/main/l/lighttpd/ that would have that security patches already... but it doesn't install when i apt-get update && upgrade |
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| 16:49.59 | microtux | ok thank u |
| 16:50.07 | microtux | Nyle, & stew thank u |
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| 16:50.23 | Nyle | stew: do you drive ? or MTA |
| 16:50.29 | stew | Nyle: walk |
| 16:50.36 | stew | Nyle: or do you mean in general? |
| 16:50.36 | Nyle | holy |
| 16:50.45 | stew | i'll walk to this place |
| 16:50.48 | Nyle | no I mean to this place |
| 16:50.53 | Nyle | tonight |
| 16:50.56 | stew | walk |
| 16:50.57 | Nyle | how far of a walk? |
| 16:51.09 | Nyle | its walking distance from manhattan? |
| 16:51.11 | stew | Nyle: .75 miles? |
| 16:51.19 | Nyle | wow |
| 16:51.22 | stew | Nyle: its about 4 miles from manhattan |
| 16:51.27 | esaym | is Hauppauge open sourced? |
| 16:51.29 | Nyle | gimme the address and time plaase stew |
| 16:52.03 | stew | 11:47 < stew> Nyle: http://www.pacificstandardbrooklyn.com/ http://tinyurl.com/267hlw |
| 16:52.17 | Nyle | oh |
| 16:52.20 | Nyle | sorry missed it |
| 16:52.27 | stew | Nyle: i think people are going to be showing up starting at 6 or 7, eventually some of us are going to go to http://blipfestival.org/ |
| 16:53.05 | Nyle | I'm gonna see what rahul is upto |
| 16:53.14 | donaldo | concerning string comparison: what is the difference between the equals() member method, and the == operator? |
| 16:53.22 | Nyle | hopefully drag his happy ass alogn with me |
| 16:53.57 | stew | agentbob: if you knew the CVE id it would be easier. (at least we'd know when the vuln was discovered and maybe fixed). there was a lighttpd security upgrade recently: http://www.debian.org/security/2007/dsa-1362 |
| 16:54.14 | agentbob | stew: found CVE, it's: CVE-2007-4727 |
| 16:54.26 | stew | agentbob: if the problem was actually one that needed to be fixed in fastcgi, and it wasn't fixed until after it was relelased, debian wouldn't fix it since fastcgi is non-free |
| 16:55.08 | Nyle | stew: i don't even drink hehe |
| 16:55.15 | agentbob | that CVE isn't listed in the security link you sent :| |
| 16:55.26 | Nyle | i guess if im gonna be stoned i better take the bus/train |
| 16:55.39 | vorpal | h3sp4wn: thanks! |
| 16:55.43 | stew | agentbob: http://security-tracker.debian.net/tracker/CVE-2007-4727 |
| 16:56.01 | stew | agentbob: fixed in 1.4.13-4etch4 |
| 16:57.01 | Nyle | stew: anything special or just a get together? |
| 16:57.04 | agentbob | stew: how do i check which one is currently installed on my box? |
| 16:57.16 | stew | Nyle: nothing special, just a get together |
| 16:57.26 | stew | agentbob: apt-cache policy packagename |
| 16:57.38 | Nyle | stew: deb nycsoc related? |
| 16:57.49 | Nyle | i hope that old santa looking guy is gonna be there, Jay |
| 16:57.51 | stew | Nyle: yeah, except that list is broken |
| 16:57.53 | Nyle | brilliant man |
| 16:57.58 | Nyle | ah |
| 16:58.14 | stew | Nyle: jay got an invite, he hasn't said if he'll show up |
| 16:58.36 | Nyle | lets hope so |
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| 16:59.24 | agentbob | stew: ok cool, thanks a lot! |
| 16:59.32 | Nyle | but why brooklyn, coulda just picked manhattan, easy to get to hehe |
| 16:59.35 | Nyle | for me anyway |
| 16:59.36 | stew | Nyle: the people i know will be there are me, clint, micah, damog, eric |
| 16:59.40 | Ace2016 | Hi all |
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| 16:59.47 | Nyle | ahh |
| 16:59.52 | stew | Nyle: becuase brooklyn is easier to get to, and this place will have more room and cheaper beer |
| 17:00.24 | stew | Nyle: you have to understand that those of us deciding to get together all live in walking distance except micah |
| 17:00.25 | Nyle | i'll bring orville rahul and there is this other cat who I work with |
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| 17:00.29 | Nyle | maybe if they decide to go |
| 17:00.56 | Nyle | stew: well if rahul wants to go, I'll go, I don't feel like going to out to a borough i've never been to alone at night in the cold |
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| 17:01.14 | Nyle | if the parking situation isn't a problem I can simply drive, no biggie |
| 17:01.21 | Nyle | i'll figure somethig out |
| 17:01.26 | Nyle | thanks for the invite man, you are THE man |
| 17:01.28 | Nyle | stew++ |
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| 17:04.32 | Nyle | anyway |
| 17:04.34 | stew | Nyle: parking wouldn't be too bad. its a very safe area |
| 17:04.38 | Nyle | back to my original question |
| 17:04.47 | Ace2016 | Hi all |
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| 17:04.56 | Nyle | any tools for repairing damanged pdf files in deb/linux? |
| 17:05.02 | Nyle | stew: cool |
| 17:05.03 | Ace2016 | anyone know how to run a command every time X is launched from the command line? |
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| 17:05.41 | cahoot | pdftk |
| 17:05.50 | stew | Nyle: i gave you a link to google maps |
| 17:06.03 | Nyle | stew: I mean directions from my house to the place |
| 17:06.06 | Nyle | :) |
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| 17:06.39 | Nyle | i'm gonna see hopstop.com and google maps, see which is better, driving to brooklyn, or just taking the bus/train |
| 17:06.54 | elmo40 | Nyle: dont forget mapquest.com |
| 17:07.04 | Nyle | elmo40: thank you |
| 17:07.05 | stew | Nyle: BQE to tillary street exit. take the 1st left (at second light) onto flatbush. make a right onto 4th avenue. park |
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| 17:07.30 | Nyle | bqe? |
| 17:07.43 | Nyle | brooklyn/qeeusn expressway (only sense i can make off it) |
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| 17:07.54 | Nyle | stew: I live off the LIE, long island expressway |
| 17:07.59 | Nyle | but yeh i'll find directions |
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| 17:08.58 | stew | Nyle: take the LIE to exit 16 (BQE), then above |
| 17:09.13 | Nyle | stew: that easy? I'm off exit 23 on LIE |
| 17:09.16 | Nyle | hah |
| 17:09.24 | Nyle | cool thats not bad at all |
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| 17:10.50 | Nyle | omg! |
| 17:10.54 | Nyle | thats it stew |
| 17:10.56 | Nyle | I'm coming |
| 17:11.04 | Nyle | no matter what happens, I'm coming there tonight |
| 17:11.36 | Nyle | let me call rahul |
| 17:11.40 | Nyle | rahul: ping |
| 17:12.04 | daya | any tool alternative to ipscanner |
| 17:12.17 | Nyle | cahoot: thanks man almost missed it |
| 17:12.40 | Ace2016 | Anyone know how to add a command to the end of a binary file? |
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| 17:13.00 | Nyle | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:13.04 | Nyle | heh, last in the list |
| 17:13.07 | alaya | Ace2016: write a wrapper script? |
| 17:13.12 | leehambley | hey, for Sarge-64 is there a sources.list that works ? |
| 17:13.20 | leehambley | the inbuilt one I have seems to be full of 404s |
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| 17:13.53 | Ace2016 | how do i do that? i want to do this for /usr/bin/X and /usr/bin/Xgl so that my xmodmap keymap settings are set when kdm and X & DISPLAY=:0 ut2004 are run |
| 17:14.12 | alaya | Ace2016: something like #!/bin/sh; exec myapp &; other_command |
| 17:14.30 | Ace2016 | but my app has to go second |
| 17:14.46 | Ace2016 | how do i get the bash script to launch it and do the next function instead of waiting for the first app to exit? |
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| 17:14.57 | alaya | put & at the end |
| 17:14.59 | alaya | of the line |
| 17:15.10 | Ace2016 | oh yea lol, i did that with my ut2004 command |
| 17:15.57 | alaya | btw, kde has the Autostart directory you can put scripts in |
| 17:16.32 | Ace2016 | but it would not work for X & DISPLAY=:0 being run from the command line, thats how i play games, at other times i always run xgl + compiz-fusion |
| 17:16.36 | john_scrotum | how can I get a display of window coordinates in gnome? How do I get the x and y coordiantes for use with the -geometry switch? |
| 17:16.47 | alaya | and there's probably some better way to do it via editing one of the X startup scripts |
| 17:16.55 | cahoot | xwininfo? |
| 17:17.12 | alaya | xwininfo |
| 17:17.56 | john_scrotum | xwininfo is just what I needed. much thanks. |
| 17:18.41 | alaya | Ace2016: see /etc/X11/xinit/xinitrc |
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| 17:27.09 | dutchfish | leehambley, http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/README.mirrors.txt |
| 17:27.53 | leehambley | dutchfish: thanks |
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| 17:28.45 | dutchfish | leehambley, this one comes handy too: http://merkel.debian.org/~jeroen/mirrorstatus.html |
| 17:28.55 | leehambley | awesome, thank you |
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| 17:32.24 | Ace2016 | why does debian not come by default with locate installed? what is default for finding files on debian? |
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| 17:33.29 | SamuraiDio | Ace2016, the find command, and debian come with locate (all times i installed debian it has come with locate) |
| 17:33.47 | Ace2016 | was it a net install? |
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| 17:33.59 | stew | Ace2016: aptitude install findutils |
| 17:34.07 | dutchfish | Ace2016, maybe you need to run updatedb first? |
| 17:34.11 | Ace2016 | i installed locate manually |
| 17:34.12 | stew | dlocate is nice for locating things installed from debian packages |
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| 17:34.18 | Ace2016 | yea i used it all the time in ubuntu |
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| 17:34.49 | FastPutty | how do you add a echo at the end of a text in command line? |
| 17:34.57 | h3sp4wn | Ace2016: I use slocate |
| 17:35.04 | jzxu | are there any tools that allows me to easily manage processes on remote computers via ssh and scp? |
| 17:35.47 | Ace2016 | h3sp4wn: part of locate? |
| 17:35.57 | jzxu | i have a lot of jobs I have to run and many computers to run them on, but it's a pain setting up my own scripts to handle it |
| 17:36.04 | SamuraiDio | FastPutty, try #bash, but they will suggest you to read the manual |
| 17:36.36 | stew | FastPutty: what exactly do you mean? can you give us an example of what you are trying to do? |
| 17:36.42 | h3sp4wn | !info slocate |
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| 17:37.11 | Ace2016 | actually slocate's description makes it seem very helpful when used with locate, so slocate only finds stuff i can write to right? |
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| 17:37.46 | dpkg | slocate: (Secure replacement of findutil's locate), section utils, is extra. Version: 3.1-1.1 (sid), Packaged size: 30 kB, Installed size: 152 kB |
| 17:39.18 | Ace2016 | h3sp4wn: does it only show files i can write to or files i can read as well, i would love to narrow it down to stuff i can write to only |
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| 17:40.04 | Ace2016 | anyone where do you place commands that are run when X starts, i tried /etc/X11/xinit/xinitrc and nothing happened xmodmap -e "keycode 160 = Greek_THETA" for example, i tried pressing the key and theta never showed up |
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| 17:40.16 | Ace2016 | or any of the other greek letters, none showed up |
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| 17:40.32 | SamuraiDio | once o made i diff file with $ diff -u how can i apply it to another file (merge the diferences to the first file)? |
| 17:40.47 | cahoot | a simple ~/.xmodmap ? |
| 17:41.08 | spx2 | I upgraded from 256mb ram on my laptop to 1256mb ram. What should I expect to run faster now ? how could I make some visible benchmark ? |
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| 17:41.37 | SlayerXP | spx2: time how long it takes to load a 1256Mb file into RAM |
| 17:41.43 | jzxu | SamuraiDio: patch |
| 17:41.50 | Ace2016 | cahoot: but i play ut2004 and i can't control my volume without using the shortcut keys to asign stuff in xmodmap and xbindkeys for shortcuts |
| 17:41.52 | spx2 | SlayerXP: how do I do that ? |
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| 17:42.02 | Ace2016 | X & DISPLAY=:0 ut2004 launches it |
| 17:42.31 | jzxu | SamuraiDio: usually it will look something like 'cat diff_output | patch -p0' |
| 17:42.34 | SlayerXP | spx2: a little perl script perhaps. |
| 17:42.43 | war | Hi, I have a system with the Intel P35 chipset, when I try to install Debian it says my network controller and ICH9 chip is not supported, has anyone installed Debian/Etch on the Intel P35 chipset? |
| 17:42.59 | Ace2016 | but i can't edit /usr/bin/X because its a binary |
| 17:43.10 | alvarO2 | Hi, I have a question regarding mysql 5.0 on Debian. I don't know why it does too much check on memory, tables, db and respectly to suse ones it's slower. How I can do?! |
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| 17:43.58 | jzxu | spx2: I would say you'll see the most benefit after you've used up at least 256 mb of ram total, because at that point before you upgraded, you would have gone to swap space, which is very slow |
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| 17:44.39 | spx2 | SlayerXP: but that's a little lame ? what should I do ? print a string in a file until the file reaches 1256mb in ram and then read the file in memory like @file_lines=<$file_handle>; |
| 17:44.54 | spx2 | SlayerXP: this is the only thing that came to mind to load the whole file into memory |
| 17:45.02 | spx2 | SlayerXP: so what should I compare my times with ? |
| 17:45.27 | spx2 | jzxu: you're right :) |
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| 17:45.42 | spx2 | jzxu: maybe openoffice takes up allot of ram and I'll consider that :) |
| 17:46.00 | SlayerXP | spx2: well, oddly enough, with the same program run with just the old amount of memory |
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| 17:46.15 | wallsp | hello, which GFX to 250 usd are good (for 3d games) |
| 17:46.16 | SlayerXP | that way you do what we call "a comparison" |
| 17:46.21 | jzxu | spx2: why are you interested in benchmarking this anyway? |
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| 17:46.57 | jzxu | wallsp: is this really the best channel to ask that kind of question in? |
| 17:47.16 | wallsp | jzxu: card that will work in debian |
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| 17:47.45 | jzxu | wallsp: I'd say stick with nvidia cards |
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| 17:48.10 | h3sp4wn | wallsp: ask #hardware they are more likely to know / care |
| 17:48.11 | jzxu | i've had so much trouble trying to get hardware acceleration to work with ATI cards in linux |
| 17:48.32 | h3sp4wn | but eventually the specs will be released so it depends |
| 17:48.40 | spx2 | jzxu: I'm interested in feeling how this upgrade affected my well-beeing :) |
| 17:48.48 | spx2 | jzxu: heh |
| 17:49.01 | h3sp4wn | wallsp: for running 3d games you pretty much don't want linux |
| 17:49.01 | spx2 | jzxu: I can't measure the new performance actually thats the problem ... |
| 17:49.16 | dutchfish | h3sp4wn, sure we do ;) |
| 17:49.41 | h3sp4wn | dutchfish: No way - wine and cedega is worse than just running windows |
| 17:49.42 | Ace2016 | wallsp: anything nvidia, i use a 8500GT, it was cheap and i went with it, cost me ~Ā£40 with a motherboard off ebay |
| 17:50.01 | dutchfish | h3sp4wn, i didnt say that, and you should not too |
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| 17:50.25 | dutchfish | h3sp4wn, i meant natively |
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| 17:50.49 | h3sp4wn | dutchfish: I don't care about 3d games particularly but if I did I wouldn't use Linux |
| 17:51.06 | h3sp4wn | (I have bought a reasonable quantity of native linux games though) |
| 17:51.08 | dutchfish | h3sp4wn, ok, but the the graphic cards q still stands |
| 17:51.09 | Ace2016 | just install a dual boot system |
| 17:51.24 | jzxu | spx2: doesn't seem very easy to benchmark. the amount of time you save is dependent on your usage patterns, so if you tried to benchmark the speed-up with a program that artifically uses a lot of ram, that doesn't make a whole lot of sense |
| 17:51.33 | Ace2016 | i have ut2004 and it runs great, woot! |
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| 17:51.56 | h3sp4wn | dutchfish: under windows my younger brothers 1950XT blows the pants off my similarly priced nvidia |
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| 17:52.11 | Downix | hey-lo |
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| 17:52.16 | Ace2016 | hey |
| 17:52.27 | Ace2016 | oh look my router is here |
| 17:52.29 | Ace2016 | :D |
| 17:52.34 | stew | my graphics card has no pants |
| 17:52.47 | Ace2016 | ... |
| 17:52.53 | dutchfish | h3sp4wn, i dont care if he was superman on windows, i want to know wich card supports 3d very well under debian as more new users wants to know .... |
| 17:52.55 | netgear | sup people |
| 17:52.59 | h3sp4wn | I also have ut2004 and it runs wonderfully on a modest video card as long as I don't use xorg |
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| 17:53.30 | Downix | dutchfish: nVidia does well, XGI as well. I run an ATI 9550 and 9200 to great effect. |
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| 17:53.35 | netgear | abrotman,have you got any news perhaps on my 3g card? |
| 17:53.35 | Ace2016 | wait, how can you play ut2004 without xorg? |
| 17:53.39 | h3sp4wn | XiG |
| 17:53.56 | Ace2016 | is it better than xorg? |
| 17:54.14 | Ace2016 | is it xserver-xig? |
| 17:54.15 | h3sp4wn | If your hardware is supported by it and you pay for it (on a 9200 it definately is) |
| 17:54.28 | spx2 | jzxu , SlayerXP how can I cache allot of things on debian ? this seems to be the only way I will improve the performance of my laptop with the new upgrade ... |
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| 17:54.57 | Ace2016 | so you have to buy XiG? |
| 17:54.59 | cahoot | spx2: the kernel handles that |
| 17:55.05 | SlayerXP | spx2: you don't, linux automatically uses all free memory for caching |
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| 17:55.11 | dutchfish | Downix, ok, thx what about ndvidias latest as in this, could i run 3d on debian on this: http://www.alienware.com/product_detail_pages/Area-51_ALX/B3FEE5C2-BFFD-45c7-9B48-3BF6C1D4E12C.aspx?d=0&SysCode=PC-AREA51-ALX-R7&SubCode=SKU-DEFAULT |
| 17:55.13 | jzxu | spx2: I really think you're trying too hard to please yourself with your upgrade |
| 17:55.41 | jzxu | spx2: there will definitely be performance improvements, since 256 mb is way too small an amount |
| 17:56.10 | Ace2016 | dutchfish: well it has an ati card, which isn't great |
| 17:56.17 | jzxu | whether you will actually "feel" it is questionable, you should just take it on faith that you're saving time |
| 17:56.21 | dutchfish | Ace2016, ok |
| 17:56.52 | h3sp4wn | Ace2016: Try the demo if your card is supported (<9250 and some mobile ones) but if it does work I think you will buy it (well I did) |
| 17:57.04 | Downix | dutchfish: it'll run, but not great. I highly doubt the crossfire feature will work at all. nVidia really is the one to aim for at this time. Next year, who knows. |
| 17:57.04 | Ace2016 | i had to go to 3 different computer shops before i found a laptop with an nvidia gpu in it |
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| 17:57.23 | spx2 | jzxu: tell me just one application wich would run faster plz |
| 17:57.24 | spx2 | :D |
| 17:57.27 | Ace2016 | h3sp4wn: whats so great about it? it lets you play windows games? |
| 17:57.29 | dutchfish | Downix, ok, would be cool to have |
| 17:57.38 | Ace2016 | h3sp4wn: i can't even find it in google |
| 17:57.47 | h3sp4wn | Ace2016: No it works tons better than xorg (just proves how poor xorg is) |
| 17:57.48 | RickyWh | is there a apt-get package for pastbinning files? |
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| 17:58.15 | Downix | dutchfish: My 1 nVidia setup is the onboard GPU for the chipset, and it runs very well surprisingly |
| 17:58.19 | Ace2016 | but i don't have an ati card |
| 17:58.22 | Ace2016 | i have nvidia |
| 17:58.23 | spx2 | SlayerXP , cahoot , jzxu my computer also used to freeze sometimes on debian and I couldn't do anything about it ... I hope this problem will disappear now , altough I find no logical explanation why it wouldn't freeze anymore ... |
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| 17:58.41 | jzxu | spx2: just run a lot of programs at the same time |
| 17:58.47 | h3sp4wn | Ace2016: So you cannot use it then |
| 17:58.50 | Downix | man I feel rusty, trying to remember how to do a dist upgrade. |
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| 17:59.07 | dutchfish | Downix, curently i run a mix of both on dif compuers/laptops i cant state this 1 is better or that, only that some are much harder to get to work |
| 17:59.20 | h3sp4wn | I am thinking of switching my video card of my desktop to a decent matrox and then buy XiG for that |
| 17:59.33 | Downix | dutchfish: truth is, I'm the same way. I have 4 at my feet here, and a SPARC sitting to my left |
| 17:59.49 | Ace2016 | seriously? why not just spend the difference and go nvidia? |
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| 18:00.07 | h3sp4wn | Ace2016: I already have an nvidia and its crap |
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| 18:00.09 | dutchfish | Downix, the less problems i had with all MACs ranging from C4 - C5 |
| 18:00.09 | netgear | apt-get update , apt-get upgrade? |
| 18:00.22 | netgear | im new so first make sure on that |
| 18:00.33 | Ace2016 | he he, i have 3 pcix and 1 in my laptop, been great so far |
| 18:00.47 | abrotman | netgear: uhm .. nope |
| 18:00.47 | Downix | dutchfish: interesting |
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| 18:01.07 | Downix | Ace2016: PCIX? An odd choice, doing a lot of Fiberchannel work then? |
| 18:01.30 | h3sp4wn | Ace2016: I don't think there is going to be much difference (or the matrox could be more) other than XiG know's how to write decent drivers |
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| 18:01.40 | Ace2016 | pci express |
| 18:01.51 | simonrvn | "knows" |
| 18:01.55 | Downix | Ace2016: oh, PCIe. Sorry, I work on PCI-X cards all day |
| 18:02.04 | netgear | abrotman, i wrote to the CEO today,maybe he will do something about linux support although i pretty much doubt it |
| 18:02.06 | Ace2016 | oh ok |
| 18:02.15 | abrotman | netgear: yeah .. me too |
| 18:02.19 | Downix | trying to debug this quad-channel ethernet card atm |
| 18:02.27 | simonrvn | it's not possessive it's plural, its s indicates plurality |
| 18:02.37 | RickyWh | Does debian have a package to easily pastebin a specified file? |
| 18:02.51 | netgear | abrotman, i also mailed the guy from pharscape which did the driver tests |
| 18:02.57 | netgear | maybe he will be of more help |
| 18:03.18 | netgear | im on dell latitude d800 and dell usually has issues with linux for some reason |
| 18:04.34 | sepski | when doing modprobe dummy -o dummy6 why is the resulting interface called dummy0 ? |
| 18:04.51 | sepski | and how can i make the interface names predictable |
| 18:04.58 | teknomage | i'm running etch on a p3 650 with 256m! |
| 18:05.03 | cahoot | udev interfering? |
| 18:05.25 | Ace2016 | sepski: it keeps creating dummy0 right? thats predictable right? |
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| 18:05.30 | stew | !dbugs 453680 |
| 18:05.33 | dpkg | #453680:W[wnpp] ITP: djbdns -- Replacement for BIND, written by Dan Bernstein; Fri, 30 Nov 2007 15:27:01 UTC |
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| 18:06.40 | sepski | Ace2016, the dummy interfaces are incremented, but i want the names to be predictable since they are loaded in a arbitarry order |
| 18:06.49 | sepski | going to check udev |
| 18:07.05 | wallsp | h3sp4wn: why not? 3d games worked ok |
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| 18:07.21 | wallsp | Ace2016: hows the video output quality? |
| 18:07.41 | Ace2016 | wallsp: of what? |
| 18:08.43 | RickyWh | what is command to deal with .bz2 files? |
| 18:08.55 | cahoot | bzip2 |
| 18:09.07 | Ace2016 | wallsp: i can push to the highest settings on ut2004 and its smooth and no noticeable frame dropping, i couldn't remember the command that shows fps, but most of the time i have it on the lowest, the light glows are not usefull when your trying to look at a player hiding next to it |
| 18:09.12 | h3sp4wn | wallsp: picture quality mainly (and I think with XiG judging by how much better it is for r200) that a good matrox with their drivers would work wonderfully |
| 18:09.20 | Ace2016 | RickyWh: tar -xvjf file.tar.bzip2 |
| 18:09.28 | Ace2016 | hang on |
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| 18:09.40 | Ace2016 | nevermind, i think thats for tar.bz2 |
| 18:09.48 | simonrvn | !tar |
| 18:09.48 | dpkg | Extract tar: "tar xf foo.tar"; Extract tar.gz: "tar xzf foo.tar.gz"; Extract tar.bz2: "tar xjf foo.tar.bz2"; tar extraction command hard to remember? use apt-get install unp; unp foo.bar; Create tar.gz: "tar czf foo.tar.gz directory"; Create tar.bz2: "tar cjf foo.tar.bz2 directory", or goes with feathers |
| 18:10.04 | cahoot | z and j are obsol |
| 18:10.10 | cahoot | err redundant |
| 18:10.24 | simonrvn | they conflict ;p |
| 18:10.32 | RickyWh | my file is not a tarball .bz2, it's just bz2 |
| 18:10.39 | cahoot | bzip2 |
| 18:10.42 | Ace2016 | cahoot: doubt that, if i don't include it auto complete does not work on filenames |
| 18:10.43 | h3sp4wn | with gnu tar but it does have other issues (and you might not always have it on every box you ever use) |
| 18:10.48 | teknomage | i think it's glxgears or something like that |
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| 18:11.07 | simonrvn | bzip2 -d file.bz2 |
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| 18:11.12 | Ace2016 | oh just click on the file in konqueror, ark will pop up and ask you where to extract it to |
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| 18:11.30 | h3sp4wn | !info star |
| 18:11.34 | dpkg | star: (A fast POSIX-compliant tape archiver), section utils, is optional. Version: 1.5a67-1.1 (sid), Packaged size: 290 kB, Installed size: 636 kB |
| 18:11.43 | h3sp4wn | I use star |
| 18:12.26 | viper__ | i installed btdownloadcurses, where is the config file for this app |
| 18:12.37 | simonrvn | ~/ |
| 18:12.37 | apt | ~/ is your home dir silly!, or root, of all Unix |
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| 18:12.54 | abrotman | apt: shuddup |
| 18:12.55 | apt | Fine, I'll be quiet. |
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| 18:13.29 | simonrvn | oh there you go, acting like an asshole to the bot again |
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| 18:14.18 | abrotman | heh |
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| 18:14.39 | wirefire | ls |
| 18:14.49 | wirefire | my bad ;) |
| 18:14.51 | simonrvn | wrong window ;p |
| 18:14.54 | viper__ | i can't find it |
| 18:15.19 | viper__ | whats the file called |
| 18:15.46 | Ronin | viper__: read teh man on it? |
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| 18:16.07 | viper__ | i read it, does not tell me anything |
| 18:16.39 | simonrvn | bottom of manual, FILES |
| 18:16.43 | wallsp | h3sp4wn: nvidia can also have good picture quality? |
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| 18:19.38 | sdschulze | Hasn't Java been GPL'ed meanwhile? So why is it in non-free? |
| 18:20.08 | dutchfish | wallsp, maybe this is a bit helpfull: http://www.free3d.org/ |
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| 18:20.44 | wols | sdschulze: it hasn't |
| 18:22.13 | simonrvn | not, only parts of it have been Free-ified |
| 18:22.18 | simonrvn | er, no* |
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| 18:28.57 | wiebel | hi, is there still a way to get netbeui running under linux? |
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| 18:29.31 | SlayerXP | wiebel: we can hope and pray not. |
| 18:29.38 | simonrvn | to get what? |
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| 18:30.07 | wiebel | SlayerXP, hey i need that :P |
| 18:30.11 | mot | doesn't debian have network config anywhere similar to /etc/sysconfig/network? |
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| 18:30.22 | dkr | mot: man interfaces |
| 18:30.24 | mot | because the syntax used in /etc/network/interfaces isn't the one i need. |
| 18:30.35 | dkr | yes, it is |
| 18:31.12 | mot | no, it's not. snmptrapd is expecting the generic formatting used in the typical distro /etc/sysconfig/network config |
| 18:31.26 | mot | which is not the same netconfig syntax that etch is using. |
| 18:31.33 | dkr | that's not "typical", that is redhat specific |
| 18:31.44 | h3sp4wn | wallsp: Seems to on the reference boards but not that actual ones anyone buys (I read something about it - I don't think matrox and ati have these issues) |
| 18:32.00 | wiebel | the whole /etc/sysconfig thingie isn't generic |
| 18:32.16 | abrotman | wiebel: i think so |
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| 18:32.54 | h3sp4wn | wallsp: And a driver designed for X not a windows driver with a wrapper would be preferable to me also - If intel released discrete video boards with good picture quality I would be happy with that |
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| 18:33.36 | wiebel | SlayerXP, what do you think is so evil with netbeui? |
| 18:34.05 | wols | h3sp4wn: depends. there are nvidia boards with good picture quality. my old albatron 4200 |
| 18:34.13 | chops | Has anyone been having trouble with curlftpfs randomly hanging on file reads from the ftpfs file system? |
| 18:34.18 | chops | Yes, I've checked the BTS :-) |
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| 18:34.28 | simonrvn | abrotman: it's generically redhattian |
| 18:34.36 | sepski | mot, did you check the readme files in /usr/share/doc for the package your using ? |
| 18:34.40 | abrotman | simonrvn: what is? |
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| 18:34.53 | abrotman | he'd probably do better to ask #samba |
| 18:34.56 | simonrvn | /etc/sysconfig |
| 18:35.54 | dutchfish | wiebel, i think its rather a "noisy" protocol and there are far better althernatives |
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| 18:36.15 | sepski | i only have 3 Redhattian machines left at work. and monday it's going to be only 2 :))) happy happy joy joy ! |
| 18:36.33 | wiebel | dutchfish, true but as we have an unfirewalled network it's nice to have an unroutable protocol |
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| 18:37.34 | dutchfish | wiebel, or do what novell did in the past ;) |
| 18:37.40 | simonrvn | sepski: \o/ |
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| 18:37.45 | wiebel | sepski, will be one of it convertet to vista? *duck* |
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| 18:37.59 | TrueDD | Hi all |
| 18:38.14 | wiebel | dutchfish, ? develop an own os? |
| 18:38.18 | simonrvn | all just left, sorry |
| 18:38.33 | simonrvn | ;p |
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| 18:38.34 | dutchfish | wiebel, no, use its way of protocol, or encapsulate it |
| 18:38.55 | wiebel | after ancapsualtion it will probably be routable |
| 18:38.58 | sepski | !slap wiebel |
| 18:39.06 | sepski | wiebel, debian etch fyi |
| 18:39.10 | wiebel | *g* |
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| 18:41.03 | wiebel | dutchfish, i'll probably wait untill aour net gets behind the firewall and start using smb |
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| 18:41.39 | dutchfish | wiebel, ? |
| 18:41.46 | h3sp4wn | wols: I guess quadro's may be better (I have used 2 recently one mid range and one high end Geforce and not thought much of either) |
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| 18:42.15 | wols | h3sp4wn: it was a consumer gf4200 |
| 18:42.17 | wiebel | dutchfish, i'll ignore that problem for now, things will get better in almost near future |
| 18:42.38 | leehambley | can anyone share their /etc/apt/sources.list with me please ? |
| 18:42.38 | wols | I agree with you about avg pic quality, but it's no always thus |
| 18:42.44 | leehambley | I cant find one that has mysql server in it :S |
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| 18:42.59 | dutchfish | wiebel, you can set up your own firewall these days in a few cups of coffee (if you know what your are doing) without firewall??? ha, dont |
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| 18:43.14 | simonrvn | !mirrors |
| 18:43.15 | dpkg | from memory, debian mirrors is http://www.debian.org/mirror/list or ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/README.mirrors.txt | ask me about <apt-setup> or <apt-spy> | to make a mirror, see http://www.debian.org/mirrors/ |
| 18:43.22 | wiebel | dutchfish, on OS/2? |
| 18:43.46 | dutchfish | wiebel, OS/2 runs fine on tcp/ip and it has its own firewall |
| 18:43.56 | dutchfish | wiebel, warp? |
| 18:44.12 | leehambley | simonrvn: that's great mate, and I've done that, and i've done an update, but package mysql / mysql-client and mysql-server don't exist |
| 18:44.15 | leehambley | in any of the ones I tried |
| 18:44.40 | abrotman | leehambley: do oyu have a security.d.o source? |
| 18:44.52 | leehambley | i don't know ? |
| 18:44.53 | pickcoder | has anyone run into user PDF list creation problems with ldap-account-manager? |
| 18:44.55 | abrotman | !paste |
| 18:44.55 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 3 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://channels.debian.net/paste/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. |
| 18:44.58 | abrotman | show us your sources |
| 18:45.03 | leehambley | abrotman: I'm not a debian (give me BSD, please!) user |
| 18:45.05 | wiebel | dutchfish, yes warp, but i don't want to mess things up, beside the os2 box isn't even a gateway |
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| 18:45.45 | dutchfish | wiebel, then setup a firewall/router on a separte machine (debian maybe ???) |
| 18:45.51 | abrotman | leehambley: fyi .. there is a debian/bsd port .. |
| 18:46.00 | leehambley | abrotman: thanks |
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| 18:46.03 | leehambley | it's here http://pastie.caboo.se/123820 |
| 18:46.12 | leehambley | note, it was just the "Rackspace" ones when I started, but they don't work |
| 18:46.38 | wiebel | dutchfish, we don't have any spare machines and we will get behind a nice secureway IBM firewall one day |
| 18:46.49 | abrotman | leehambley: uncomment the security.debian.org line .. and do an apt-get update |
| 18:46.56 | wiebel | then again i simply would like to be able to connect via netbeui |
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| 18:47.12 | abrotman | leehambley: and you probably want to uncomment a regular deb line for sarge |
| 18:47.20 | abrotman | leehambley: like line 10 |
| 18:47.27 | dutchfish | wiebel, you know this was all offtopic, but sure, i would prefer debian, i used OS/2 alot, but not anymore |
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| 18:47.41 | leehambley | abrotman: ty v.much |
| 18:47.48 | abrotman | leehambley: don't thank me til it works :) |
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| 18:48.21 | wiebel | dutchfish, right , way OT *closed* thx anyway ;) |
| 18:48.34 | dutchfish | wiebel, but i would still prefer OS/2 over windows ;) |
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| 18:48.56 | wiebel | so true ... |
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| 18:50.26 | leehambley | abrotman: |
| 18:50.28 | leehambley | it doesn't |
| 18:50.29 | leehambley | ffs |
| 18:50.31 | leehambley | fuck it |
| 18:50.34 | leehambley | thanks anyway |
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| 18:50.45 | leehambley | Rackspace trashed out machine, corrupted 1/2 our hard disk and our database |
| 18:50.51 | leehambley | reinstalled a different os to what we asked for |
| 18:50.58 | leehambley | and I should have bee in the pub 4 hours ago. |
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| 18:51.22 | lukas | Hi, I have motherboard based on ICH9 Intel chipset that unfortunately seems not to support sensors and I would like to know if there is any other hw/sw way how to get temperatures from critical places. Could anyone advise |
| 18:51.22 | abrotman | leehambley: apt-cache search mysql-server |
| 18:51.28 | abrotman | leehambley: anything come back? |
| 18:51.46 | leehambley | mysql-server - mysql database server binaries |
| 18:51.46 | leehambley | mysql-server-4.1 - mysql database server binaries |
| 18:51.56 | leehambley | but then they report broken deps |
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| 18:52.01 | abrotman | leehambley: such as ? |
| 18:52.03 | leehambley | and i dunno how to get apt to do dependencies automatically |
| 18:52.05 | leehambley | i read -f does it |
| 18:52.07 | leehambley | but i dunno |
| 18:52.12 | abrotman | apt-get install mysql-server |
| 18:52.17 | abrotman | it should do the rest on its own |
| 18:52.20 | leehambley | The following packages have unmet dependencies: |
| 18:52.20 | leehambley | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:52.20 | leehambley | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:52.20 | leehambley | E: Broken packages |
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| 18:52.34 | abrotman | ah okay |
| 18:52.36 | leehambley | 4 lines is flood now 'ehh |
| 18:52.39 | leehambley | did you get all 4 ? |
| 18:52.40 | abrotman | in here it is |
| 18:52.44 | leehambley | my bad |
| 18:52.47 | leehambley | thought 5 was kosher :) |
| 18:53.09 | abrotman | leehambley: apt-cache show mysql-client .. what is the candidate ? |
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| 18:53.55 | leehambley | http://pastie.caboo.se/123822 |
| 18:54.28 | lukas | noone trying P35 Intel chipset? |
| 18:54.34 | abrotman | leehambley: in your sources .. uncomment line 18 .. and change the "stable" to "sarge" |
| 18:54.42 | leehambley | abrotman: thanks... |
| 18:55.03 | abrotman | leehambley: you're on the "unofficial" amd64 sarge release |
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| 18:55.13 | leehambley | *riigghhtt* |
| 18:55.17 | leehambley | that makes a little more sense |
| 18:55.22 | joke24 | Hello. |
| 18:55.24 | leehambley | so 'stable' aint gonna be right |
| 18:55.42 | abrotman | that's why i said to change stable to sarge |
| 18:55.47 | joke24 | can someone tell me, how to remove apache webserver completely? |
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| 18:56.04 | lukas | joke24: aptitude purge apache ? |
| 18:56.06 | Downix | which is the last version of Debian which supported SPARC 32-bit? |
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| 18:56.20 | h3sp4wn | Downix: etch |
| 18:56.22 | stew | joke24: aptitude purge apache-common apache2-common apache2.2-common |
| 18:56.25 | leehambley | omg abrotman that made a massive differnet eo apt-get update |
| 18:56.30 | abrotman | leehambley: yay? |
| 18:56.33 | h3sp4wn | Downix: still supports it |
| 18:56.36 | leehambley | just updating now |
| 18:56.40 | leehambley | that looks like it worked though :-D |
| 18:56.43 | Downix | ok |
| 18:57.04 | Downix | don't see it under the etch directory |
| 18:57.08 | lukas | joke24: depends on what you would like to keep (like configs ...) |
| 18:57.08 | abrotman | okay .. wtf is a disc not an html special char? |
| 18:57.15 | karsten | Is an initrd read from disk by GRUB to memory and passed to the kernel, or by the kernel itself? My understanding is the former. Problem is a boot that hangs at the initrd stage w/ an "unable to mount root fs" error. Panic. |
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| 18:57.19 | leehambley | abrotman: thank you - mysql server is installed :-D |
| 18:57.23 | leehambley | that's *great* thank you |
| 18:57.25 | pickcoder | abrotman: disc? |
| 18:57.36 | stew | joke24: if you want to leave the configs in place, then use remove instead of purge |
| 18:57.41 | wiebel | how can I change the arch of an installed debian? ( ee->mips(el) ) is that possible at all without a bootstrap? |
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| 18:57.46 | abrotman | leehambley: enjoy! |
| 18:57.50 | wols | wiebel: no |
| 18:57.51 | abrotman | pickcoder: you know .. like the list disc |
| 18:57.58 | leehambley | teheh :) |
| 18:58.24 | h3sp4wn | Downix: http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/4.0_r1/sparc/iso-cd/ |
| 18:58.25 | pickcoder | you mean a bullet? |
| 18:58.30 | abrotman | pickcoder: i guess .. i call it a disc :) |
| 18:58.40 | wols | karsten: then the initrd might not have the drivers for the root fs |
| 18:59.06 | Downix | no cd-rom drive, I have to floppy it |
| 18:59.19 | abrotman | eh .. seems to be 2022 .. oh well |
| 18:59.24 | pickcoder | &bull |
| 18:59.36 | abrotman | though it seems square on the page i'm looking at |
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| 19:00.35 | pickcoder | abrotman: http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-html40/sgml/entities.html#h-24.3 |
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| 19:01.14 | pickcoder | you can also use • |
| 19:01.16 | abrotman | pickcoder: yeah .. i'd found that .. but it looks square .. oh well |
| 19:01.24 | pickcoder | hm |
| 19:01.27 | pickcoder | what font face? |
| 19:01.30 | plb | hrm... I wonder what kinda of question signifies the need for a url to w3c recs |
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| 19:02.02 | abrotman | pickcoder: whatever it renders in ? |
| 19:02.16 | pickcoder | funny |
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| 19:02.20 | abrotman | i have no idea .. |
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| 19:02.34 | microtux | !repositories |
| 19:02.38 | pickcoder | abrotman++ |
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| 19:03.13 | pickcoder | has anyone run into user PDF list creation problems with ldap-account-manager? |
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| 19:04.14 | dutchfish | pickcoder, no not really |
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| 19:05.09 | Insolit | hi all this ain't a debian specific question but maybe some of you can help me with this. I have a laptop with 3 years and i'm trying to upgrade the hdd to a 120GB (original is 40GB). Though the hard drive is recognized it does not work properly when trying to format it. Anyway I can find out about the limitations of this laptop concerning hard drive upgrades? |
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| 19:05.11 | pickcoder | dutchfish: I keep seeing an error stating that the object of class inetorgperson can't be converted into a string |
| 19:05.33 | pickcoder | groups and domains generate fine |
| 19:05.44 | dutchfish | pickcoder, because it isnt a string? |
| 19:05.45 | ^Cobra^ | Insolit: what does it say when you try to format it? |
| 19:06.16 | pickcoder | dutchfish: well obviously, but I have no way of knowing which field in the schema it's breaking on |
| 19:06.23 | Insolit | ^Cobra^: well after a few time it asks me if i properly connected the hard drive. And when using self-test in BIOS it fails. |
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| 19:06.31 | abrotman | pickcoder: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_XML_and_HTML_character_entity_references#Predefined_entities_in_XML .. does it look square to you? |
| 19:06.39 | wols | Insolit: are you formatting it under debian? |
| 19:06.44 | dutchfish | pickcoder, the object is arrao chars, maybe, at the top of head |
| 19:06.57 | dutchfish | pickcoder, an array of chars* |
| 19:07.08 | slid3r | is there no xorg config tool or cosole based util to config xorg.conf like the one xf86config? |
| 19:07.16 | plb | Insolit: is the drive properly jumpered |
| 19:07.21 | Insolit | wols: i've tried both with debian system, also with windows installation. |
| 19:07.24 | pickcoder | abrotman: nope.. it's a black circle in my browser |
| 19:07.30 | Insolit | plb: that's one thing im not sure about |
| 19:07.44 | Insolit | plb: this drive used to be an external USB device |
| 19:07.50 | dutchfish | pickcoder, you could look it up in the context lists |
| 19:07.52 | abrotman | pickcoder: i blame firefox :) |
| 19:07.57 | plb | Insolit: what was the jumper setting on the old drive? |
| 19:08.17 | Insolit | plb: cable select, but this drive, does not have that specific option of cable select |
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| 19:08.20 | pickcoder | abrotman: check your font in the setup |
| 19:08.29 | Insolit | plb: just master, slave, and low and high priority |
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| 19:08.33 | microtux | hi |
| 19:08.38 | abrotman | pickcoder: not that important .. i guess .. silly fonts .. everything should be System :) |
| 19:08.38 | dutchfish | !penixstrike firefox |
| 19:08.38 | dpkg | A towering Penix descends from the heavens, knocking firefox to the ground and leaving a large wet spot. |
| 19:09.01 | pickcoder | I agree.. silly fonts should be kept in graphics editing programs |
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| 19:09.12 | plb | Insolit: hrm... and I take it you set it to master then? |
| 19:09.16 | microtux | i'm using Lenny and i want a listing of available repositories, because apt-setup was not found ? |
| 19:09.18 | microtux | any help ? |
| 19:09.52 | Insolit | plb: yes, that did not work |
| 19:09.57 | abrotman | !mirrors |
| 19:09.57 | dpkg | debian mirrors is, like, http://www.debian.org/mirror/list or ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/README.mirrors.txt | ask me about <apt-setup> or <apt-spy> | to make a mirror, see http://www.debian.org/mirrors/ |
| 19:10.02 | karsten | wols: The initrd has a bunch of echo statements in it which aren't being executed. |
| 19:10.18 | karsten | wols: ... so I'm pretty sure the initrd itself isn't being read. |
| 19:10.26 | microtux | abrotman, thx |
| 19:10.27 | plb | Insolit: I'd not be surprised if the laptop did something odd and only supported cable select... |
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| 19:11.18 | Insolit | plb: that's what i exactly thought. |
| 19:11.31 | wols | karsten: why do you need an initrd? |
| 19:11.41 | pickcoder | ok this is wierd |
| 19:12.22 | pickcoder | when I print what the "string" var should contain it says "Array". When I print the first index of supposed "array", it says that it can't be used as an array. |
| 19:12.24 | karsten | wols: RAID + LVM drivers. Root partition on RAID. |
| 19:12.45 | karsten | wols: Just take it as a given. Point isn't need for an initrd but diagnosing and fixing GRUB's initrd problem. |
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| 19:13.14 | karsten | pickcoder: Language? |
| 19:13.17 | Insolit | plb: couldn't it be that MB does not support drives of this size? |
| 19:13.20 | pickcoder | php |
| 19:13.28 | karsten | !comfort pickcoder |
| 19:13.29 | dpkg | There, there, pickcoder. It's OK. I'm here for you. |
| 19:13.29 | plb | Insolit: that seems less likely |
| 19:13.30 | abrotman | print_r($var) |
| 19:13.44 | Profanephobia | Can Someone here help me connect my Sony Ericsson GC83 to AT&T's EDGE network? |
| 19:13.54 | abrotman | with debian? |
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| 19:13.59 | piper69 | hi everyone |
| 19:14.09 | piper69 | i need a little help with http://pastebin.ca/802921 |
| 19:14.19 | karsten | piper69: Context? |
| 19:14.25 | mot | 69 |
| 19:14.28 | mot | wtf? |
| 19:14.34 | piper69 | mot: :) |
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| 19:15.18 | piper69 | why used egrep -i '(section 167|pbocc)' 071130* |
| 19:15.24 | dutchfish | pickcoder, an array of pointers? |
| 19:15.56 | piper69 | i am intresed on the 2 lines underneth the pbocc |
| 19:17.25 | piper69 | karsten: how can i grep the 2 lines under "pbocc |
| 19:17.46 | Profanephobia | Can Someone here help me connect my Sony Ericsson GC83 to AT&T's EDGE network? |
| 19:18.08 | karsten | Profanephobia: What's that SE GC83 running? |
| 19:18.18 | dutchfish | pickcoder, http://www.linuxinfotage.de/projekt_ldap.html |
| 19:18.22 | pickcoder | big typo |
| 19:18.37 | Profanephobia | karsten, im sorry im not sure i understand |
| 19:18.39 | pickcoder | it was referencing the array instead of the extracted value |
| 19:18.41 | dutchfish | !slaps pickcoder |
| 19:18.42 | karsten | piper69: ?? |
| 19:18.49 | karsten | Profanephobia: What operating system. |
| 19:18.59 | abrotman | Profanephobia: this is #debian .. how is your question related to debian ? |
| 19:19.01 | piper69 | karsten: if you look at my pastebin |
| 19:19.13 | pickcoder | hey.. I didn't write it! |
| 19:19.16 | karsten | piper69: "scroll down for PBOCC" is what I see. |
| 19:19.22 | dutchfish | pickcoder, ;) |
| 19:19.31 | Profanephobia | karsten, well ubuntu, but i figured since ubuntu is debian based some here could help me since no one in #ubuntu can abrotman |
| 19:19.34 | karsten | piper69: If you want that line + 2 others: "grep -A2 -m1 'PBOCC'" |
| 19:19.40 | karsten | !ubuntu |
| 19:19.40 | dpkg | Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu (irc.freenode.net) instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. |
| 19:19.43 | karsten | Profanephobia: Guess again. |
| 19:19.48 | abrotman | Profanephobia: we cannot support ubuntu here |
| 19:20.05 | dutchfish | pickcoder, solved now? |
| 19:20.08 | Profanephobia | well im only using pppd and gnome-terminal |
| 19:20.19 | h3sp4wn | Profanephobia: try #linux-help |
| 19:20.28 | karsten | piper69: If that's not what you want, then restate your question clearly. |
| 19:20.29 | Profanephobia | h3sp4wn, thanks |
| 19:21.18 | piper69 | karsten: can you see from line [1-17] |
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| 19:22.04 | PiousMinion | How would I go about preventing a module from being loaded in the debian installer? |
| 19:22.04 | karsten | piper69: Sec... I see 17 lines in the pastebin, yes. |
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| 19:22.27 | abrotman | PiousMinion: this is covered int he install guide IIRC |
| 19:22.31 | karsten | piper69: How about you provide context on what those 17 lines are, what you are trying to do to them, how you're doing it, and what is or isn't working regarding them? |
| 19:22.42 | karsten | PiousMinion: Blacklist it. |
| 19:22.58 | karsten | !tell PiousMinion about blacklist |
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| 19:23.03 | PiousMinion | thanks |
| 19:23.34 | stew | PiousMinion: after the installer boots, but before hardware detection, hit alt-f2 to get to a console, and blacklist it in /etc/modprobe.conf |
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| 19:23.51 | PiousMinion | stew: was just about to ask. thanks |
| 19:24.05 | lukas | Could anyone say how to enable the dhcpcd client to retry leases until it is up? |
| 19:24.10 | tralala | !installer blacklist |
| 19:24.10 | dpkg | To blacklist a kernel module while installing Debian, use the following boot parameter: module_name.blacklist=yes . This will blacklist the module during installation and after the system is installed (/etc/modprobe.d/blacklist.local will be created). |
| 19:24.22 | stew | oh that's better |
| 19:24.23 | karsten | tralala: /msg the bots please |
| 19:24.28 | lukas | sorry for asking such thing I just do not know how to google this problem |
| 19:24.29 | stew | nah, that was relevant |
| 19:24.34 | karsten | tralala: ... unless that was to share, in which case NM. |
| 19:24.41 | karsten | tralala: Sorry. |
| 19:24.44 | tralala | np |
| 19:25.00 | mot | Starting snmptrapd: daemon: fatal: refusing to execute unsafe program: /usr/local/sbin/snmptrapd (/usr/local/sbin is group writable) |
| 19:25.04 | karsten | lukas: I thought that was its default behavior. |
| 19:25.04 | mot | any idea how to rectify that? |
| 19:25.17 | abrotman | maybe /usr/local/sbin not group writable |
| 19:25.24 | karsten | mot: Make /usr/local/sbin/<foo> not group writeable. |
| 19:25.38 | karsten | mot: chmod g-w /usr/local/sbin |
| 19:26.08 | mot | hmm still saying the same thing.. |
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| 19:26.26 | mot | -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 55K 2007-11-30 10:27 snmptrapd |
| 19:26.26 | karsten | mot: Check mode then. |
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| 19:26.42 | karsten | mot: The directory, not the executable. My bad first time. |
| 19:26.46 | stew | mot: what does "ls -ld /usr/local/sbin" say? |
| 19:27.01 | mot | drwxr-sr-x 2 root root 4096 2007-11-30 10:27 /usr/local/sbin |
| 19:27.11 | Nyle | stew: mmm, I didn't think of this before, but friday evening traffic could be pretty bad no? |
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| 19:28.35 | stew | Nyle: its bad going TO the LIE. you should expect it to be a little slow for the 2 miles on the BQE between williamsburg bridge and brooklyn bridge, but not too bad. just stay in the right lane as soon as you are past williamsburg (which becomes the exit only lane for tillary street) |
| 19:28.42 | lukas | karsten: I just wanted to verify it as I have to leave it for week-end and do not want to get back. |
| 19:28.58 | tralala | mot, chmod g-s /usr/local/sbin |
| 19:29.12 | stew | g-sx |
| 19:29.18 | Nyle | stew: also it is exit 17W and not 16 (per directions) |
| 19:29.35 | PiousMinion | btw: "module_name.blacklist=yes" doesn't work. |
| 19:29.42 | stew | even a stoner like you should be able to find the BQE |
| 19:29.44 | mot | damnit. |
| 19:29.47 | mot | still saying the same thing. |
| 19:30.00 | mot | the permissions are correct. |
| 19:30.02 | Nyle | PiousMinion: I'll find it, I just like to be fully prepared |
| 19:30.05 | Nyle | I mean |
| 19:30.06 | Nyle | who |
| 19:30.13 | Nyle | not PiousMinion but stew |
| 19:30.17 | PiousMinion | lol |
| 19:30.25 | PiousMinion | I was like... umm, wtf |
| 19:30.26 | stew | :) |
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| 19:33.08 | Insolit | plb: found out there's was a way to put in cable select mode. But still did not work :S |
| 19:33.22 | mot | voilaaa |
| 19:33.24 | Nyle | stew: is there toll involved? |
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| 19:33.42 | PiousMinion | Whether or not I use "ehci_hcd.blacklist=yes" the module is loaded before I get the first installer prompt. Is there another way to prevent this other than remastering the install cd ? |
| 19:33.52 | stew | Nyle: no |
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| 19:34.02 | Nyle | eh, I have to go to the ATM anyway |
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| 19:34.30 | xand | how can I mount a squashfs file? |
| 19:35.46 | dutchfish | PiousMinion, module_name.blacklist=yes without quotes |
| 19:36.14 | PiousMinion | dutchfish: I did without quotes. quotes were only added for readability here. |
| 19:36.23 | dutchfish | PiousMinion, ok, sorry |
| 19:36.31 | tralala | PiousMinion, try ehci-hcd as well |
| 19:37.26 | tralala | is the module loaded permanently? Maybe you can remove it from a terminal. |
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| 19:39.25 | xand | how can I install debian on an xbox without using xebian? |
| 19:39.28 | piper69 | karsten: ok, i have a file "071130.APX" however it is very huge, i am looking. the way i search the file for my data i do this. Open the file with view, then i /06:29: "for the time", and then /SECTION 167 "the section i want to search" then i scroll down untill i see the word PBOCC. and i am intresed in the 2 lines below that. i was using "egrep -i '(/section 167|06:29:|^(sm|pbocc))' 071130*" but that only return the time. |
| 19:39.35 | xand | (its installer does not work) |
| 19:40.21 | h3sp4wn | xand: are you using the free bios ? |
| 19:40.43 | h3sp4wn | xand: cromwell I think it is called |
| 19:40.48 | xand | h3sp4wn: I can boot the install CD, and had it working before; the problem is with the xebian install script |
| 19:41.46 | h3sp4wn | xand: I would just find any old distro that can boot and use debootstrap |
| 19:41.55 | mot | how do i sync time with an ntp server from commandline? |
| 19:42.13 | h3sp4wn | xand: there is a project at sourceforge with the kernel patches for various version of 2.6 |
| 19:42.13 | xand | ntpdate |
| 19:42.30 | xand | h3sp4wn: well... the xbox can't boot linux from the harddisk |
| 19:42.42 | h3sp4wn | xand: cromwell can |
| 19:42.53 | mot | ntpdate: a little more elaboration please. i installed ntp and have the ntpd command at my disposal, but no 'ntpdate' |
| 19:42.55 | xand | I have to use a CD to get it to boot from harddisk |
| 19:43.05 | h3sp4wn | xand: So you are not using the free bios |
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| 19:43.27 | xand | I couldn't get cromwell to do anything |
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| 19:44.29 | xand | abrotman: it's not based on debian, it is debian |
| 19:44.39 | h3sp4wn | debootstrap would be debian |
| 19:44.54 | jmut | hi. is debian always installed with Gnome? Any way I choose KDE by default and have none of gnome stuff |
| 19:45.06 | h3sp4wn | jmut: you could get the kde cd |
| 19:45.19 | h3sp4wn | jmut: or remove gnome and install kde |
| 19:45.31 | jmut | h3sp4wn: ok. thanks |
| 19:45.35 | pickcoder | mot: you can use ntpdate to adjust the time if it's signifcantly off |
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| 19:45.38 | xand | abrotman: please point me to the official xbox installer |
| 19:45.48 | pickcoder | ntpd should sync your time with the ntp server of your choice |
| 19:46.04 | mot | what's the syntax for that? |
| 19:46.10 | mot | ntpd -v blah.server.org? |
| 19:46.21 | pickcoder | ntpd is a time server |
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| 19:46.29 | pickcoder | edit the config |
| 19:46.36 | mot | where's it located? |
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| 19:47.11 | abrotman | xand: it is not debian |
| 19:47.22 | xand | yes it is |
| 19:47.23 | pickcoder | mot: where are configs normally stored for applications? |
| 19:47.31 | abrotman | xand: no .. it's not . it's been modified |
| 19:47.35 | mot | don't know, hence why i asked. |
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| 19:47.46 | pickcoder | mot: /etc/ |
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| 19:47.58 | xand | abrotman: so how do I get the debian installer to work? |
| 19:48.05 | mot | bash: cd: /etc/ntpd: No such file or directory |
| 19:48.05 | mot | debianbase:/etc# cd /etc/ntp |
| 19:48.05 | mot | bash: cd: /etc/ntp: No such file or directory |
| 19:48.10 | pickcoder | it's ntp.conf and you probably don't need to modify it unless you have a local ntp server |
| 19:48.11 | h3sp4wn | You can apparantly use debian kfreebsd on an xbox |
| 19:48.16 | abrotman | xand: ask #debian-boot on irc.oftc.net :) |
| 19:48.23 | abrotman | http://www.xbox-linux.org/wiki/Xebian_HOWTO#Xebian_versus_a_standard_Debian_installation |
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| 19:49.22 | PiousMinion | tralala: unfortuneatly in the installer inviroment "rmmod" doesn't seem to exist. |
| 19:49.55 | tralala | PiousMinion, modprobe -r? |
| 19:49.56 | abrotman | modprobe -r ? |
| 19:50.19 | tralala | PiousMinion, I get it ehci-hcd didn't help? |
| 19:50.19 | PiousMinion | didn't know that was an argument. heh |
| 19:50.28 | PiousMinion | tralala: trying that first. :) |
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| 19:51.48 | PiousMinion | tralala: ehci-hcd didn't work, crossing fingers for modprobe -r |
| 19:51.49 | fundesktop | why does dpkg need so much memory when it installs something? it peeks up to 70 MB or so and causes page thrashing for me... and when I disable my swap disk, it can happen that it dies because it run out of memory |
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| 19:52.54 | PiousMinion | ok, module removed. thanks all. :) |
| 19:52.55 | pickcoder | fundesktop: if you install something small with hardly any depends, it still consumes 70MB? |
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| 19:53.39 | chops | pickcoder: I've had the same behavior. IIRC it seemed to going along with "Reading database..." |
| 19:53.42 | fundesktop | pickcoder: I did " apt-get install wm-icons fvwm-icons" |
| 19:54.01 | chops | pickcoder: I have a relatively low-memory system (256 MB), and dpkg and iceweasel on a page with a bunch of images are the two really painful operations |
| 19:54.02 | fundesktop | pickcoder: not so much dependencies (also, all dependencies were installed) |
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| 19:54.19 | fundesktop | chops: I have 256 MB real RAM too... |
| 19:54.42 | chops | I keep meaning to track down what it is that makes it such a hog, but it's not a big enough issue for me to really be motivated to do anything |
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| 19:59.21 | pickcoder | I have a box with 384 on it, but I never tested dpkg's memory use |
| 19:59.29 | pickcoder | it's always worked |
| 19:59.54 | shbla99 | whats a good binary newsreader that support SSL NNTP servers? |
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| 20:02.08 | KomiaPoika | hi |
| 20:02.14 | wols | fundesktop: how many repositories do you have in your sources.list? |
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| 20:02.17 | KomiaPoika | http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/4.0_r1/amd64/iso-cd/debian-40r1-amd64-kde-CD-1.iso is that like install cd 1 with kde on it? or something different? |
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| 20:02.28 | abrotman | yes |
| 20:02.35 | wols | KomiaPoika: yes |
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| 20:02.58 | fundesktop | wols: debian unstable itself, http://www.debian-multimedia.org, and deb-src for debian unstable |
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| 20:03.31 | fundesktop | also sth. local with "apt-build" *shrug* |
| 20:03.57 | pansen2 | hi, i'm trying to run 2 parallel x sessions (not screens like :0.0 and :0.1 but real sessions like :0 and :1). i've defined 2 layouts and have one GPU for each. now i can start each one on its own using 'startx -- -layout session1 :0' and the other by 'startx -- -layout session2 :1' - works fine this far but when i try to start both, the second one always fails with "X: user not authorized to run the X server, aborting.". why? its still the |
| 20:04.00 | fundesktop | "apt-cache stats" says "Total package names : 32022 (1281k)" |
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| 20:04.21 | abrotman | pansen2: you got cut off |
| 20:04.33 | pansen2 | abrotman: where? |
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| 20:04.52 | jmut | is there like quick tutorial or something for slackware users who want to give a try on debian. key differences and stuff? |
| 20:05.20 | stew | pansen2: where are you running the command to start the second? in a vt? or from the other x session? |
| 20:05.24 | pansen2 | - works fine this far but when i try to start both, the second one always fails with "X: user not authorized to run the X server, aborting.". why? its still the same user, XAUTHORITY is set, any ideas? |
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| 20:05.34 | Sebo | HI!! Which text editor that I could use in recovery mode is there on Debian netinst CD?? |
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| 20:06.02 | jmut | Sebo: vim should be everywhere |
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| 20:06.43 | stew | pansen2: you might try "dpkg-reconfigure x11-common" and change the "allowed_users" to "all" |
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| 20:06.49 | pansen2 | stew: I don't know howto do it at best. i cant get them into background even when using -quiet and & |
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| 20:08.16 | LoRez | anybody know where to find samba4-alpha1 packages? |
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| 20:08.23 | o2T7 | which package do i have to install to get the lpinfo command? |
| 20:08.36 | pansen2 | stew: i would like to create a script to start both, how should it look like? x0 & \n x1 & ? using exec x1 i get the xauth thing immediately, seems like the forged shell from exec does net have XAUTHORITY, i could add it to /etc/profile |
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| 20:08.44 | shbla99 | did samba dev fix that ddos hole yet? |
| 20:09.22 | Insolit | this is the day of all problems... anyone had problems installing windows xp not in the first partition of the disk? Im trying to do it, but windows says partition is now windows format compatible, and it can't write the MBR properly... |
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| 20:10.12 | PiousMinion | Insolit: I've never been able to do that. *shrugs* |
| 20:10.16 | abrotman | !tell shbla99 about tracker of doom |
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| 20:10.20 | o2T7 | I get a "lpinfo: command not found" error message, but can't find it with apt |
| 20:10.30 | abrotman | !tell o2T7 about search |
| 20:10.35 | Insolit | to do what PiousMinion ? |
| 20:11.03 | PiousMinion | Insolit: Install xp in a partition other than the first. |
| 20:11.03 | o2T7 | abrotman: It can't find it, perhaps a repositories issue? |
| 20:11.09 | abrotman | jmut: /msg dpkg refcard .. it has a summary of simple commands for debian package management .. and a few other useful bits |
| 20:11.14 | abrotman | !find bin/lpinfo etch |
| 20:11.21 | Insolit | PiousMinion: seems some guys are able to do that... |
| 20:11.32 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'bin/lpinfo' (2): (/usr/sbin/lpinfo) in net/cupsys-client ;; (/usr/lib/debug/usr/sbin/lpinfo) in libdevel/cupsys-dbg. |
| 20:11.37 | abrotman | o2T7: ^^ |
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| 20:12.37 | o2T7 | hummm, thank you, I installed cupsys (i guess server only) and i thought it should be there |
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| 20:14.18 | bobo79 | how can i setup a personal smtp server in debian? |
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| 20:15.15 | Ronin | bobo79: umm mtas arent for the faint of heart even if you just do aptitude install foo |
| 20:15.32 | Ronin | !mta |
| 20:15.32 | dpkg | somebody said mta was Mail Transfer Agent: a program that transfers e-mail in or out of a system, most often using SMTP. An MTA is usually accessed by calling /usr/lib/sendmail and thus usually includes that binary. Therefore, in Debian, all MTAs (<exim4>, <postfix>, <qmail>, <ssmtp>, <nullmailer>, etc) mutually conflict. Ask about <mta comparison> and <why an mta>. |
| 20:16.32 | capiira_ | hi anyone know if there exist something to find out if a computer has usb 1.0 or 2.0 from the shell ? |
| 20:16.49 | Nyle | !why an mta |
| 20:16.49 | dpkg | An MTA should be on most unix(ish) systems to provide a way for various services to deliver asynchronous system or error messages. |
| 20:16.54 | bobo79 | Ronin: I need a simple smtp server to send emails only, is exim good? |
| 20:16.58 | Nyle | oh |
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| 20:17.05 | jbt | lsusb --vvvv |
| 20:17.08 | Nyle | !info nullmailer |
| 20:17.13 | dpkg | nullmailer: (simple relay-only mail transport agent), section mail, is extra. Version: 1:1.03-5 (sid), Packaged size: 82 kB, Installed size: 392 kB |
| 20:17.17 | Ronin | doh,too fast Nyle |
| 20:17.20 | Nyle | ftw! |
| 20:17.23 | Nyle | sorry |
| 20:17.28 | bobo79 | ty Nyle |
| 20:17.32 | capiira_ | was that for me ? |
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| 20:17.47 | Nyle | capiira_: no |
| 20:17.51 | Nyle | not from me |
| 20:17.54 | Nyle | try jbt |
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| 20:18.52 | b0ha | hi im trying to install ipw3945 modules |
| 20:19.10 | b0ha | i have this version of kernel: boha@debian:~$ uname -r |
| 20:19.10 | b0ha | 2.6.22-2-686 |
| 20:19.19 | Zvpun | I moved my harddisk with debian installed onto a new computer, during boot I get the message: Waiting 16 seconds for /sys/block/hda/dev to show up I think my initrd meight be broken but dont know enough about it, can you please help me? |
| 20:19.36 | b0ha | will there be any problems if i install ipw3945-modules-2.6.22-3-686 |
| 20:20.04 | b0ha | ? |
| 20:20.08 | bobo79 | can someone tell me about ubuntu vs. debian? |
| 20:20.09 | Nyle | Zvpun: same hw config or diff? |
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| 20:20.42 | capiira_ | bobo79 do a google |
| 20:21.08 | Zvpun | Nyle: different hardware |
| 20:21.28 | Zvpun | Nyle: the only thing that is the same is the harddisk |
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| 20:22.03 | eddy | Intel never made a driver for my shared memory 3d card, does that mean no one ever will? |
| 20:22.12 | bobo79 | capiira_: im looking for a personal opinion not a neutral article |
| 20:22.44 | Ronin | bobo79: well as we're #debian what do you thik we're going to say? |
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| 20:23.25 | bobo79 | Ronin: the advantages of debian surely |
| 20:23.35 | Ronin | bobo79: try asking in ##linux actually |
| 20:23.38 | bobo79 | Ronin: im new on deb sry |
| 20:23.56 | \amethyst | sandwitch: err, this isn't a bash script |
| 20:23.58 | \amethyst | doh |
| 20:24.02 | Nyle | !why debian |
| 20:24.02 | dpkg | http://www.debian.org/intro/why_debian or http://people.debian.org/~srivasta/talks/why_debian/ |
| 20:24.04 | \amethyst | wrong channel, wrong nick complete |
| 20:24.12 | eddy | does the linux community make drivers for 3d cards? |
| 20:24.13 | Nyle | bobo79: /msg dpkg why debian |
| 20:24.19 | Nyle | eddy: yes |
| 20:24.27 | eddy | okay good |
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| 20:24.32 | fisxoj | anyone know if or where libmtp has an IRC room? |
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| 20:24.48 | Zvpun | Nyle: can you help me? |
| 20:24.55 | Nyle | Zvpun: i dont know |
| 20:25.00 | Nyle | I've never done what you did |
| 20:25.02 | abrotman | eddy: some of them |
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| 20:25.16 | Nyle | the debian os on that hd is tuned to the hardware in the prev machine |
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| 20:25.27 | Nyle | I dunno if this debian install is going to work on a new system |
| 20:25.41 | Nyle | im sure if you tried hard enough you could make it work |
| 20:25.48 | eddy | intel is evil, i didnt realize they didnt make linux drivers |
| 20:25.58 | eddy | ill never buy intel laptops again |
| 20:25.59 | Nyle | is it worth your time? or can a reinstall get you back up quicker than that? you decide |
| 20:26.16 | abrotman | intel is better than most when it comes to linux drivers |
| 20:26.22 | eddy | oh |
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| 20:26.57 | abrotman | eddy: like the i810 graphics driver |
| 20:27.11 | eddy | thats what i have & it doesnt work |
| 20:27.19 | eddy | it works in windows |
| 20:28.50 | h3sp4wn | Its a lot better in lenny/sid |
| 20:29.23 | eddy | abrot, you're saying Intel made the i810 driver so it should work for me? |
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| 20:30.11 | jmut | wtf is icedove ?! |
| 20:30.23 | jmut | I asked for thunderbird :) |
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| 20:30.40 | dutchfish | !icedove |
| 20:30.40 | dpkg | somebody said icedove was a fork to replace thunderbird. Debian is unable to distribute thunderbird with the thunderbird name due to trademark restrictions. See also DFSG, iceweasel, or gnuzilla http://www.gnu.org/software/gnuzilla/. |
| 20:31.05 | eddy | abrotman, are you saying that Intel made the i810 driver? (So if its not working something is wrong with my system?) |
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| 20:32.30 | h3sp4wn | jmut: so get it from mozilla.com should you care |
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| 20:32.53 | eclipse_ | is there anything like fs driver for vista? |
| 20:33.09 | Guerin | eclipse_: the fs driver for vista is quite similar |
| 20:33.18 | dutchfish | !ntfs3g |
| 20:33.18 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, ntfs-3g is a user-space NTFS driver with write support and good performance. http://www.ntfs-3g.org/. Available in Lenny, but not for Etch except as a backport: see the package page at http://packages.debian.org/etch-backports/ntfs-3g, backport instructions at http://www.backports.org/. |
| 20:33.36 | johndoe | i was trying to compile mac subsystem package for intel wireless and got the following error message: |
| 20:33.38 | johndoe | debian-ivan:~/mac80211-10.0.2# make |
| 20:33.38 | johndoe | Kernel Makefile not found at '/lib/modules/2.6.22-3-amd64/source/' |
| 20:33.38 | johndoe | If patch or script failed, check pre/ and post/ for current stage. |
| 20:33.38 | johndoe | make: *** [compatible/modified] Error 1 |
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| 20:33.55 | eclipse_ | nono, I want to open my linux files on vista |
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| 20:34.06 | Guerin | eclipse_: ask #vista |
| 20:34.10 | abrotman | bah .. he's gone |
| 20:34.15 | jmut | h3sp4wn: just weird..didn't expect to have some problems..as far as I see it is 99% same product...as well as firefox |
| 20:34.25 | Guerin | johndoe: don't paste, read the bedamned topic |
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| 20:34.38 | Guerin | johndoe: it's more like 99.9% |
| 20:34.44 | Guerin | beh |
| 20:34.50 | Guerin | jmut: ā |
| 20:34.57 | o2T7 | No way this epson d92 prints anything. I have tried with cupsys, lpd, gutenprint, turboprint, foomatic .. |
| 20:35.36 | dutchfish | eclipse_, cant you use google? http://blogs.msdn.com/sfu/archive/2007/05/01/unix-interoperability-and-windows-vista.aspx |
| 20:35.50 | abrotman | o2T7: i bet if you hold the button in .. it'll print something :) |
| 20:35.55 | h3sp4wn | jmut: Its definately has different bugs |
| 20:36.04 | jmut | :) |
| 20:36.11 | johndoe | Guerin: its not the same product, you cant install some extensions and some stuff |
| 20:36.13 | h3sp4wn | jmut: (but also some that are fixed) |
| 20:36.30 | o2T7 | abrotman: it works fine with evil so |
| 20:36.48 | jmut | h3sp4wn: for my needs I am sure it'll do |
| 20:37.05 | Guerin | johndoe: only when those versions aren't properly written. Icedove is Thundrebird with different branding, and with that retarded bug-reporting tool excised. |
| 20:37.28 | o2T7 | I've bought it because i read about compatibility in linuxprint.org |
| 20:37.35 | Guerin | any different bugs almost certainly come from different versions |
| 20:37.48 | johndoe | does someone know what "Kernel Makefile not found at '/lib/modules/2.6.22-3-amd64/source/'" means? |
| 20:38.29 | Mithshark | anyone know why iptables -t nat -A PREROUTING -p tcp -s 66.160.141.47 --dport 80 -j REDIRECT --to 2080 doesn't work ? |
| 20:38.31 | o2T7 | I must be too dummy for printing under linux, because i remember something similar with a hp |
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| 20:38.36 | abrotman | Mithshark: #iptables |
| 20:38.44 | Mithshark | thanks ! |
| 20:38.47 | abrotman | !info printconf etch |
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| 20:38.52 | dpkg | printconf: (automatically configures USB and parallel printers with CUPS), section utils, is optional. Version: 0.7.7 (etch), Packaged size: 15 kB, Installed size: 48 kB |
| 20:39.04 | o2T7 | yes, also with that |
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| 20:39.31 | o2T7 | Everything appears to be working fine, but documents never reach the printer |
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| 20:39.53 | abrotman | o2T7: can you find documents in the spool dir? |
| 20:39.59 | o2T7 | yes |
| 20:40.06 | o2T7 | all of them in queue |
| 20:40.15 | abrotman | nudge them! |
| 20:40.34 | o2T7 | I can cancel them in cups web interface |
| 20:41.01 | o2T7 | I get this with printconf: |
| 20:41.01 | o2T7 | Printer on usb:/dev/usb/lp0 was not automatically configurable by Debian. |
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| 20:43.47 | dserban | man... tool was the bomb last night |
| 20:43.49 | dserban | good show |
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| 20:44.24 | fundesktop | dserban: do Tool use Debian? |
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| 20:45.28 | d0uglas | Hi. what CIDR syntax string do i need to express an IP range thatonly has the first block of numbers (IE 32.x.y.z where x y and z can be 1 to 3 numbers)? Maybe 32.0.0.0/32? |
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| 20:46.05 | dserban | fundesktop, oh heh sorry wrong channel, but yes I'll assume they do ;) |
| 20:46.16 | dutchfish | d0uglas, ipcalc |
| 20:46.44 | dkr | d0uglas: 32/8 |
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| 20:46.48 | Guerin | nn.0.0.0/8 - use ipcalc |
| 20:46.56 | Guerin | bah, teh lags, they got me |
| 20:47.01 | vyrus001 | how do i tell mount.nfs to NOT mount as the userid on the nfs server but to mount as my local user id? |
| 20:47.07 | d0uglas | k i'll fire that up.. thanks |
| 20:47.36 | lex | vyrus001 mount it as root then chown it? |
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| 20:47.55 | Guerin | lex: wtf |
| 20:48.08 | Guerin | lex: you realise mounting anything as root in NFS is both stupid and painful |
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| 20:48.36 | lex | guess not, then again i don't have anything in NFS |
| 20:48.36 | KjetilK | adm:x:4:kjetil |
| 20:48.47 | dutchfish | Guerin, please keep it nice |
| 20:48.55 | KjetilK | still, I can't read this file: |
| 20:48.57 | vyrus001 | Guerin: how else should i mount nfs parts? |
| 20:48.58 | KjetilK | -rw-r----- 1 root adm 202 2007-11-30 07:35 error.log |
| 20:49.11 | abrotman | KjetilK: did you logout/login |
| 20:49.12 | abrotman | ? |
| 20:49.19 | Guerin | dutchfish: i'll keep it nice when people keep it smart |
| 20:49.21 | KjetilK | abrotman: nope, is that necessary? |
| 20:49.24 | abrotman | yes |
| 20:49.48 | KjetilK | abrotman: ok, I'll do that, then, thanks! |
| 20:50.00 | Guerin | vyrus001: i'm not sure you can do so in nfs ... there may be a way to specify the uid, try man fstab and man mount for a start |
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| 20:50.35 | vyrus001 | hmm |
| 20:50.59 | lex | sorry Gue, but you learn on the go no? plus here's a decent place to do it rather then messing it up beyond repair, to me at least |
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| 20:51.25 | eroticon | hi folks |
| 20:51.26 | eroticon | lspci shows |
| 20:51.26 | eroticon | 00:05.0 VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation C51 PCI Express Bridge (rev a2) |
| 20:51.33 | eroticon | which xorg driver should i choose? nv? |
| 20:51.36 | Guerin | lex: of course. But there's a major difference between `learn on the go' and `make up shit about things you admittedly know nothing about'. Do the former. Don't do the latter. |
| 20:51.39 | onur | Hi. alsa is working when i root. But doesn't work when i was normal user? |
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| 20:51.47 | abrotman | eroticon: is that the only VGA device? |
| 20:51.51 | Guerin | eroticon: yes. |
| 20:52.04 | eroticon | yeah thats the only VGA i see when i run lspci |
| 20:52.19 | eroticon | Guerin> if i choose nv dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg does NOT auto detect it. |
| 20:52.20 | lex | in my defense i ended it with a question mark so someone could correct me if it wasn't the proper way /nod thanks. |
| 20:52.29 | eroticon | after i choose -nv- it says its a generic card |
| 20:52.36 | Guerin | onur: adduser username audio; then log out and back in |
| 20:52.42 | abrotman | eroticon: do you want 3d? |
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| 20:52.47 | eroticon | abrotman: not really. |
| 20:52.53 | abrotman | so what's wrong with nv ? |
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| 20:53.01 | eroticon | i choose nv |
| 20:53.04 | eroticon | x just wont start. |
| 20:53.09 | Guerin | eroticon: nv should work fine. What doesn't work about it? |
| 20:53.10 | abrotman | errors are helpful |
| 20:53.18 | johndoe | eroticon: choose vesa |
| 20:53.26 | eroticon | (WW) NVIDIA: No matching Device section for instance (BusID PCI:0:5:0) found |
| 20:53.26 | eroticon | (EE) No devices detected. |
| 20:53.40 | Guerin | eroticon: your xorg.conf is broken. |
| 20:53.41 | abrotman | don't specify the bus |
| 20:53.50 | eroticon | i did not. |
| 20:54.23 | Guerin | add the missing Device section yourself, or delete the whole shootin' box and have debconf recreate it |
| 20:54.25 | johndoe | edit /etc/X11/xorg.conf, put in vesa instead of nv |
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| 20:54.39 | Guerin | that likely won't fix matters if that error is the full story |
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| 20:54.55 | eroticon | it does work |
| 20:54.57 | johndoe | eroticon: try putting vesa and tell us the results |
| 20:55.00 | eroticon | i think the thing was that i was specifying the BUS. |
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| 20:55.34 | eroticon | thank you. |
| 20:56.06 | abrotman | see! |
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| 20:57.01 | Guerin | !win abrotman |
| 20:57.01 | dpkg | Congratulations, abrotman! You have won second prize in a beauty contest! |
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| 20:57.24 | mogra | where can I find Debian's minimum requirements? |
| 20:57.27 | abrotman | !ig |
| 20:57.27 | dpkg | I heard "ig" is Installation Guide .. see http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/installmanual for Etch 4.0r1 (Stable as of August 15, 2007) .. or see http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/installmanual for now oldstable Sarge (3.1 ... 3.1r5). Lenny is now the new Testing! |
| 20:57.36 | vyrus001 | Guerin: yea no luck as of yet, ive been through the man's and i see nothing about user spec |
| 20:57.37 | abrotman | the installer is a 486 with 48MB |
| 20:57.46 | abrotman | (though i know etch runs on less) |
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| 20:58.00 | vyrus001 | whats strange is that my nfs partition mounts... it just mounts as the user on the nfs box |
| 20:58.06 | vyrus001 | wich dosnt exsist on my local box so i dont have perms |
| 20:58.10 | mogra | thanks |
| 20:58.55 | Guerin | vyrus001: that's how nfs is designed to work. |
| 20:59.20 | vyrus001 | Guerin: so the idea of having 1 "nfs" partition for sevral users that all have diffrent local usernames is not gona happin huh |
| 20:59.22 | vyrus001 | ? |
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| 20:59.44 | Guerin | there's got to be a way to do it, I just don't know nfs that well |
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| 21:00.03 | Guerin | you might be able to do something with groups |
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| 21:00.49 | lex | sourceforge seems to have a wealth of info on it |
| 21:01.47 | abrotman | but does it make any sense? |
| 21:02.04 | Guerin | intelligibility depends on the interpreter |
| 21:02.09 | vyrus001 | well its not nfs i think... its got to be a mount option |
| 21:02.20 | abrotman | not always .. there are some pretty crap docs out there |
| 21:02.51 | lex | seems straight forward, it's talking about how the nfs-utils package uses hosts.allow and hosts.deny files to interpret access |
| 21:03.05 | abrotman | that's a very small part of nfs |
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| 21:04.24 | dutchfish | vyrus001, http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/485 |
| 21:05.31 | vyrus001 | dutchfish: hm interesting... i suppose that is one option, thnx l( |
| 21:05.32 | vyrus001 | ;) |
| 21:05.43 | petra29 | hi, i'm using etch and have this exact bug: http://people.debian.org/~terpstra/message/20070313.210017.8108700f.en.html - it is solved according to bdo, but where can i get this version? they do not backport xorg at backports.org |
| 21:06.51 | omry | I want to install Debian testing, and I got this old 3.1r4 netinst iso. is it okay to install from it and later change the sources to testing? |
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| 21:08.39 | abrotman | http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=414782 |
| 21:08.56 | h3sp4wn | omry: Probably not safe unless you go to etch -> testing |
| 21:09.39 | dutchfish | vyrus001, more in depth: http://www.connectathon.org/talks96/auth.pdf |
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| 21:09.54 | petra29 | abrotman: exactly. seems like i definitely need xorg-server 1.3 on etch, can i do this by an simple sid backport? |
| 21:10.06 | vyrus001 | wow |
| 21:10.09 | vyrus001 | thnx dutchfish |
| 21:11.33 | petra29 | abrotman: or do it like http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=414782#29 said? |
| 21:11.37 | abrotman | you can try |
| 21:11.40 | onur | alsa doesn't see my sound card when i normal user. It's working when i root. What is the problem? |
| 21:11.53 | dutchfish | !alsa |
| 21:11.53 | dpkg | rumour has it, alsa is http://wiki.debian.org/ALSA or see <alsa install> or <alsa-checklist> |
| 21:12.01 | Guerin | onur: i told you what to do. did you do it? |
| 21:12.14 | dutchfish | onur, is the user in audio group? |
| 21:12.14 | onur | Guerin: sorry |
| 21:12.18 | onur | what did you say? |
| 21:12.30 | Guerin | onur: adduser username audio; then log out and back in |
| 21:12.46 | onur | ok |
| 21:12.47 | Guerin | you shouldn't have to do that in etch, though |
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| 21:14.27 | streuner | Guerin! |
| 21:14.31 | Guerin | streuner! |
| 21:14.33 | onur | ok it's worked thanks |
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| 21:15.45 | onur | what is the default groups for another user? |
| 21:15.54 | onur | like audio |
| 21:16.05 | streuner | default group? |
| 21:16.09 | streuner | audio |
| 21:16.16 | Guerin | create a new user and run `groups' as it |
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| 21:18.47 | vn | stew & jelly-home : I rebooted, with the nosmp thingy, should the value in cat /proc/sys/kernel/tainted change from 4 to 0 or..? |
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| 21:25.57 | SerajewelKS | is there a system-wide DNS cache? |
| 21:26.38 | piper69 | ok, i have a file "071130.APX" however it is very huge, i am looking. the way i search the file for my data i do this. Open the file with view, then i /06:29: "for the time",and then /SECTION 167 "the section i want to search" then i scroll down untill i see the word PBOCC. and i am intresed in the 2 lines below that. i was using "egrep -i '(/section 167|06:29:|^(sm|pbocc))' 071130*" but that only return the time. please refer to (http://pastebin.ca/ |
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| 21:31.42 | Optyk | Hi there. :) |
| 21:31.44 | dutchfish | SerajewelKS, not per default, but it can if you configure some sort of local caching like : http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/390 |
| 21:33.08 | karsten | streuner: Logwatch and some related tools will monitor files and generate alerts / actions on specified patterns. |
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| 21:35.01 | streuner | !info aosd-cat |
| 21:35.03 | dpkg | aosd-cat: (an on screen display tool which uses libaosd), section x11, is optional. Version: 0.1.2-1 (sid), Packaged size: 9 kB, Installed size: 64 kB |
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| 21:35.59 | streuner | nice, karsten |
| 21:36.46 | elmo40 | is that aosd used by audacious? They have some sort of on-screen notification. Kinda graphic intensive, though. |
| 21:37.26 | karsten | streuner: swatch might be what you're interested in. I think that most of these re-scan the files. |
| 21:37.27 | streuner | it uses cairo and/or pango |
| 21:37.31 | Optyk | There is something like "limit RAM per process" in debian? |
| 21:37.38 | karsten | streuner: apt-cache show swatch tenshi lwatch logwatch |
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| 21:37.46 | karsten | streuner: ... or search log watch |
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| 21:39.20 | b0ha | how can i install firefox on debian |
| 21:39.33 | Optyk | apt-get install firefox ? |
| 21:39.42 | karsten | b0ha: iceweasel is firefox |
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| 21:39.47 | stew | b0ha: aptitude install iceweasel (/msg dpkg why iceweasel) |
| 21:39.52 | b0ha | but i dont like iceweasel :/ |
| 21:40.00 | streuner | heh |
| 21:40.10 | streuner | just a different name.. |
| 21:40.12 | karsten | b0ha: iceweasel *is* firefox. I hope that was a joke. |
| 21:40.26 | karsten | b0ha: Install 'firefox' then and invoke it as 'firefox'. |
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| 21:40.42 | karsten | b0ha: ... or d/l Firefox from Mozilla.org and install under /usr/local. |
| 21:41.04 | b0ha | ok i will use iceweasel |
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| 21:41.15 | b0ha | if im installing flash |
| 21:41.40 | b0ha | the dir to firefox ("iceweasel") is then /usr/lib/iceweasel ? |
| 21:42.04 | streuner | dpkg -L <package> |
| 21:42.04 | dpkg | No packages found matching <package> |
| 21:42.28 | karsten | b0ha: You can list package contents trivially. See above. |
| 21:42.29 | streuner | you need to read man apt-get and man dpkg |
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| 21:43.46 | elmo40 | b0ha: give firefox3 a try |
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| 21:44.52 | b0ha | elmo40, i will, but later :) |
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| 21:45.05 | b0ha | and thank you for your help guys |
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| 21:46.13 | karsten | b0ha: NP. |
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| 21:49.22 | wirefire | hi wonder if anyone can help me i have installed kde when i launch it from gdm/kdm it works fine if i launch startx from console with "startkde" in .xinitrc seems awfully slow and does not launch properly, anyone any ideas why this could be |
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| 21:49.47 | Joanh | had someone install debian on a compaq c502us? |
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| 21:51.55 | wols | !anyone |
| 21:51.56 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone uses <someprogram>. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use <someprogram>?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls> |
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| 21:53.34 | wirefire | wols who was that aimed at? |
| 21:54.05 | Joanh | wols, I want to know if there are all the available drivers on debian for it |
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| 22:02.05 | slowbmw | hi guys... where can i find some noobie support groups? |
| 22:02.24 | slowbmw | i'm not entirely new but i feel it... since i can't get my system passed post |
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| 22:05.44 | action09 | hi all :) |
| 22:06.16 | karsten | Joanh: Your best bet is to search for the relevant HW and installation experiences on Google. |
| 22:06.22 | karsten | Joanh: I presume that's a laptop? |
| 22:06.29 | johndoe | how can i install /lib/modules/2.6.22-3-amd64/source/ ? |
| 22:06.57 | karsten | Joanh: ... in which case you might try the install and report any specific failures on the debian-laptop mailing list, or ask here. |
| 22:07.06 | karsten | johndoe: Probably: compile, install, and load. |
| 22:07.35 | karsten | johndoe: Question is: where did that source directory come from? |
| 22:07.37 | johndoe | karsten: no, i mean for the kernel im currrently using, i need to install sources |
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| 22:07.50 | karsten | johndoe: Then install sources. |
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| 22:07.56 | johndoe | karsten: i dont have that directory, i need to get it |
| 22:08.02 | karsten | johndoe: search aptitude for your kernel version and the source packages. |
| 22:08.15 | karsten | johndoe: Generally you *don't* put kernel sources under /lib |
| 22:08.19 | johndoe | karsten: i installed kernel-headers, linux-sources, ... but to no avail |
| 22:08.43 | karsten | johndoe: ... convention is that they go under /usr/src/linux, in truth, you can put them anywhere you want. |
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| 22:08.53 | karsten | The /usr/src/linux/ convention is somehwat depricated. |
| 22:09.05 | johndoe | karsten: look at this error line: Kernel Makefile not found at '/lib/modules/2.6.22-3-amd64/source/' |
| 22:09.11 | karsten | johndoe: .... install the sources, you'll get a b2zipped tarball in /usr/src/ Untar it. |
| 22:09.25 | karsten | johndoe: Were the f*ck is that message coming from? |
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| 22:09.32 | johndoe | gimme a sec |
| 22:09.35 | karsten | johndoe: Someone's giving you b0rked sources IMO. |
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| 22:10.03 | karsten | johndoe: I'd use a symlink from there to wherever the hell it expects to find things, and/or raise hell with the developer for being a stupid shit. |
| 22:10.11 | karsten | johndoe: ... but that's just l'il ole' diplomatic me. |
| 22:10.14 | johndoe | karsten: http://rafb.net/p/oJRIYR18.html |
| 22:10.29 | karsten | johndoe: WTF are you trying to compile? |
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| 22:10.45 | karsten | ... and where did you get it from? |
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| 22:10.51 | johndoe | some kind of a driver for wireless |
| 22:11.06 | johndoe | http://www.intellinuxwireless.org/index.php?p=mac80211&n=HOWTO-mac80211 |
| 22:11.12 | karsten | johndoe: ... which has a grand total of 4 Google hits. |
| 22:11.37 | johndoe | well, my wireless adapter is intel, they suggested that one |
| 22:11.46 | karsten | johndoe: Well, congratulations for volunteering to be a guinea pig for someone's first Linux kernel coding project. |
| 22:11.55 | abrotman | yay! |
| 22:12.12 | karsten | johndoe: How about you rephrase your question as "Hi, I'm trying to get XXX Intell wireless support on Debian, what should I do?" |
| 22:12.19 | johndoe | karsten: Thanks, i appreciate it :-) |
| 22:12.30 | karsten | johndoe: ... to which I'll respond "tell me the chip number or LSPCI output for the device" |
| 22:12.32 | elenril | johndoe, mac80211 is in 2.6.22 kernel, you don't need to build it |
| 22:12.53 | johndoe | elenril: well sorry, but im just retarded |
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| 22:13.05 | karsten | johndoe: Don't sweat it. |
| 22:13.20 | karsten | johndoe: ... it's hard to sort this out the first time through, but often it helps to get to the root of the problem. |
| 22:13.38 | karsten | johndoe: So try installing a 2.6.22 kernel and see if that gives you the support you need. |
| 22:13.39 | johndoe | http://rafb.net/p/zzBrNi84.html |
| 22:14.08 | abrotman | johndoe: update-pciids .. then paste that again |
| 22:14.19 | petra29 | what is the right way in debian to allow X connections from the local network on an xorg server? i start the server by startx. I think I've read something about -nolisten tcp anywhere. I have exported xauth on the server and imported it in the client's Xauthority. |
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| 22:14.37 | karsten | johndoe: USB or PCMCIA NIC by any chance? It's not showing on the PCI bus. |
| 22:14.40 | petra29 | I don't think i need the overhead of ssh -X since its a private networx |
| 22:15.14 | karsten | petra29: If X is running w/ -nolisten tcp, that won't help you. |
| 22:15.16 | johndoe | http://rafb.net/p/rITVc196.html |
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| 22:15.30 | karsten | petra29: If you *absolutely* trust your local network, sure, you can do that, but I wouldn't. |
| 22:15.32 | johndoe | karsten: i think its pci |
| 22:16.13 | johndoe | karsten: im on a laptop, and its inside it |
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| 22:16.24 | karsten | petra29: /etc/X11/xinit/xservrrc |
| 22:16.31 | CyberGabber | petra29: Maybe this helps : http://www.faqs.org/docs/Linux-mini/Remote-X-Apps.html |
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| 22:16.40 | johndoe | karsten: so it has to be pci, right? |
| 22:16.43 | dondelelcaro | nowadays it's so trivial to set up xauth and get it working, that there's really no point, even if you do trust your local network. |
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| 22:16.54 | karsten | johndoe: Might still be pcmcia. Regardless, try the .22 kernel for starters. |
| 22:17.13 | karsten | dondelelcaro: ?? |
| 22:17.21 | karsten | dondelelcaro: You trust MIT-MAGIC-COOKIES? |
| 22:17.22 | johndoe | uname -a gives Linux debian-ivan 2.6.22-3-amd64 #1 SMP Sun Nov 4 18:18:09 UTC 2007 x86_64 GNU/Linux |
| 22:17.25 | elenril | johndoe, you've got an atheros wifi there, not intel |
| 22:17.39 | Gun_Smoke | I can't believe the upgrade to sid went smooth.. SO far.. lol |
| 22:17.47 | karsten | johndoe: I'll hand you to elenril who seems to know what he's talking about. |
| 22:17.48 | johndoe | elenril: are you sure its not normal ethernet instead of wifi? |
| 22:18.42 | elenril | johndoe, Atheros Communications, Inc. AR5006EG 802.11 b/g Wireless PCI Express Adapter (rev 01) |
| 22:18.50 | elenril | looks like wifi to me :) |
| 22:18.51 | KiWiB0RG | in sid are there no xen linux-image- packages now? |
| 22:19.12 | johndoe | elenril: i guess you are right, but gimme a second so i can check something |
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| 22:20.11 | dondelelcaro | karsten: about as much as I trust ssh keys |
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| 22:20.41 | dondelelcaro | karsten: but I don't really use them by themselves, anyway. |
| 22:21.13 | karsten | dondelelcaro: Magic cookies may help deter some intruders, but they don't keep your data from being sniffed or spoofed. |
| 22:21.21 | karsten | dondelelcaro: That's my basic beef. |
| 22:21.39 | dondelelcaro | karsten: oh, sure. If you're concerned about that, you want to use X over ssh |
| 22:21.44 | karsten | dondelelcaro: Right. |
| 22:21.44 | Nyle | stew: ping |
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| 22:22.02 | dondelelcaro | karsten: yeah, that's really a transport layer problem, not an authentication one |
| 22:22.10 | karsten | </not> |
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| 22:23.28 | karsten | dondelelcaro: Starting point was whether it's advisible to use xauth & drop '-nolisten tcp' from X int. |
| 22:23.31 | karsten | s/int/init/ |
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| 22:24.20 | plb | What is the debianized way to make a CPAN module? |
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| 22:24.41 | petra29 | I have started 2 x sessions, :0 on vt7 and :1 on vt8. they use their own gpu and display device each, is there a way to 'display' both at the same time? now i can only switch between vt7 and vt8 |
| 22:24.52 | johndoe | elenril: you were right |
| 22:25.07 | johndoe | elenril: i have no idea why i thought it was an intel wireless |
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| 22:25.57 | elenril | johndoe, it was pretty hard to be wrong, intel wouldn't report as atheros |
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| 22:26.33 | b0ha | should i worry about last line ? |
| 22:26.35 | b0ha | http://pastebin.com/m6a88e2bf |
| 22:26.38 | johndoe | elenril: what should i use with atheros |
| 22:26.41 | b0ha | interupt 17 |
| 22:26.46 | RickyWh | is there a way to get the latest version of BIND 9.4.2 using apt-get? |
| 22:26.57 | b0ha | worried* |
| 22:27.08 | wols | !tell johndoe about madwifi |
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| 22:28.15 | plb | nm, I remembered it |
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| 22:30.30 | johndoe | do you guys use gnome or kde? |
| 22:30.48 | johndoe | which one is better and why in your opinion? |
| 22:30.58 | SerajewelKS | !best |
| 22:30.59 | dpkg | Best for what? Please define what you mean by "best". Gloria Gaynor! Tina Turner! Aretha Franklin! Men without Hats! Women without Hats! Men at Work! Women at Play! Anyone for Tennis! |
| 22:31.04 | fjfalcon | hello all, i compiled new kernel - 2.6.23.9, and after running it stops at hda: cache flushes supported, hda: hda1 hda2 < hda5 hda6 hda7 hda8 >, where can by a problem |
| 22:31.07 | h3sp4wn | !poll |
| 22:31.07 | dpkg | "Does anyone have X or use Y?" is taking a poll, not asking a valid question. Don't do it or sussudio's army of militant badgers will hurt you. Also see <ask> and <bad polls> |
| 22:31.17 | SerajewelKS | johndoe: you don't want to ask that unless you want 1000 answers and a flamewar |
| 22:31.22 | SerajewelKS | johndoe: try them both, use the one you like |
| 22:31.47 | johndoe | SarajewelKS: ah, ok. My bad. |
| 22:32.03 | valdyn | petra29: you want to have both on the same vt |
| 22:32.54 | valdyn | petra29: both being configured within the same xorg.conf. the "how" depends on your X driver, nvidia,fglrx or the free Xorg drivers |
| 22:33.25 | CyberGabber | petra29: I believe the application 'screen' can do this ("switch between multiple virtual terminals on the one physical terminal that you are using"),if thats what you mean |
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| 22:33.45 | valdyn | uh, screen multiplexes terminals, not X screens |
| 22:33.48 | SerajewelKS | johndoe: and it's SerajewelKS :P |
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| 22:34.25 | CyberGabber | 'Screen' > http://linux.die.net/Linux-CLI/virtual-terminals.html |
| 22:34.28 | SexyKen | Hey guys -- what's the right way to save iptables rules (to survive reboots) in Debian? |
| 22:34.37 | johndoe | SerajewelKS: and i was wondering why auto-complete doesnt work |
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| 22:35.35 | johndoe | SerajewelKS: havent slept much lately |
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| 22:36.08 | valdyn | !iptables |
| 22:36.09 | dpkg | from memory, iptables is the user-space process used to administer iptables kernel parts on top of netfilter, or ask me about <netfilter docs>, or at http://netfilter.org/ or http://lartc.org/.(check it out because iptables (2.4.x) has some security holes) See also: <masq>, or try #iptables for help, or for a proper debian-way of setting up iptables, please read http://www.howtoforge.com/node/450 |
| 22:36.25 | CyberGabber | johndoe: something like : set -o vi-tabcomplete |
| 22:36.51 | johndoe | CyberGabber: for which client is that? I`m using x-chat. |
| 22:36.55 | vn | I use xfce beecause I find GNOME and KDE |
| 22:36.59 | vn | there's your flamewar |
| 22:36.59 | vn | :p |
| 22:37.04 | vn | err |
| 22:37.09 | vn | + bloated |
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| 22:38.42 | jzxu | petra29: I've been trying to figure that out too. I don't see why it wouldn't be possible since you can open x windows from other machines via tunneled ssh |
| 22:38.57 | fjfalcon | Š±Š»ŃŃŃ, ŃŃŠø ŃŠ±Š»ŃŠ“ŠŗŠø ŃŠ±ŃŠ°Š»Šø ŠæŠ¾Š“Š“ŠµŃŠ¶ŠŗŃ ŃŠµŃŠøŠ°Š» Š°ŃŃ ŠøŠ· ŠŗŠ¾Š½ŃŠøŠ³Š° =) |
| 22:39.11 | johndoe | fjfalcon: hey |
| 22:39.21 | karsten | fjfalcon: English and ASCII / UTF-8 please. |
| 22:39.34 | wols | !ru |
| 22:39.34 | dpkg | rumour has it, ru is Russian speakers, please use (Pogalujsta, zajdite na) (Pazhaluista, zahodite na) #debian-russian @ irc.freenode.net |
| 22:39.37 | fjfalcon | that was utf-8 btw :) |
| 22:39.51 | wols | but it wasn't english |
| 22:39.51 | johndoe | yea, i can see it clearly |
| 22:40.08 | vn | kto goborit.. |
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| 22:40.48 | johndoe | what do i do when i install madwifi? |
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| 22:41.35 | wols | you reat the fabulous manuals |
| 22:41.38 | wols | *read |
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| 22:41.47 | Ace2016 | Hi all |
| 22:41.49 | Ace2016 | i'm back |
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| 22:42.06 | wols | do you expect a ticker parade? |
| 22:42.12 | johndoe | wols: thanks :-) |
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| 22:42.32 | pablo_ | hi, someone knows if the top command is made with ncurses? |
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| 22:42.35 | karsten | wols: Would that be hearts on file? |
| 22:42.45 | Ace2016 | a hi would be good, a parade would be great, but a nice welcome message every time from dpkg would be awesome |
| 22:42.46 | karsten | wols: ... not to be confused with an Engrish jewlery line. |
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| 22:42.52 | wols | pablo_: apt-cache does |
| 22:42.58 | karsten | Ace2016: /msg dpkg hi |
| 22:43.15 | pablo_ | wols: no, because there is no package named top |
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| 22:43.26 | valdyn | pablo_: ldd `which top` | grep curses |
| 22:43.29 | Gun_Smoke | Is there a way list all files and dir from largest to smallest? What I'm trying to do is figure out what is taking up 22G that isn't in my home folder. |
| 22:43.36 | karsten | pablo_: Probably ps-utils or something like. /msg dpkg search |
| 22:43.37 | wols | Ace2016: don't get your hopes up. if every bozo wanted a welcome this channel would be spammed to hell and back. "hi" is in the same category as an away message |
| 22:43.48 | karsten | Gun_Smoke: I'll point you at filelight. |
| 22:44.07 | Gun_Smoke | karsten: I looked at that.. I'm using gnome. |
| 22:44.17 | pablo_ | valdyn: thanks |
| 22:44.36 | valdyn | Gun_Smoke: man du |
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| 22:44.57 | valdyn | Gun_Smoke: and "man sort" too, probably |
| 22:44.58 | pablo_ | karsten: ok |
| 22:45.08 | Ace2016 | hi isn't as bad as an away message, welcome messages are lots of messages by a person, but hi is just once, when they come on |
| 22:45.20 | Gun_Smoke | valdyn: Thanks.. Reading over them now.. |
| 22:45.22 | johndoe | can someone take a look at this and tell me if the installation succedeed http://rafb.net/p/ocY2rJ63.html |
| 22:45.26 | wols | Ace2016: it's spam |
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| 22:46.10 | jelly-home | wols: spam is intentional; one could argue that backscatter, for example isn't spam |
| 22:46.39 | petra29 | valdyn: i don't want multiple 'screens' like :0.0 and :0.1. i need multiple x sessions like :1 and :0. the problem is, when i switch from vt7 to vt8, then vt7 is cleared. when i put both on vt7, then starting :1 kills :0 and takes over completely |
| 22:46.39 | valdyn | johndoe: yes, its ok |
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| 22:47.03 | Ace2016 | not spam |
| 22:47.06 | wols | jelly-home: it clogs up my intertubepipes. it's spam |
| 22:47.13 | valdyn | petra29: it has to be on the same vt. |
| 22:47.18 | jelly-home | Ace2016: it is not necessary, though |
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| 22:47.43 | Ace2016 | not necessary but polite |
| 22:47.46 | valdyn | petra29: there'S no way "around" that. |
| 22:47.48 | karsten | Gun_Smoke: You can also do a 'find . -type f -exec ls -l \{\} | sort -k1nr,1' |
| 22:47.55 | karsten | Gun_Smoke: ... or something similar, untested. |
| 22:47.56 | johndoe | when i type ifconfig ath0 up in console i get an error saying no such device |
| 22:48.05 | valdyn | petra29: im not sure how to get what you want though. |
| 22:48.19 | wols | Ace2016: if everyone would be polite on this channel there would only be "hi"s. nothing else. just look how many parts/joins there are |
| 22:48.36 | jelly-home | Ace2016: not really. Multiply the hi by the number of users here. It reduces S/N ratio. |
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| 22:49.05 | johndoe | hi |
| 22:49.19 | petra29 | valdyn: how? when i 'startx -- :0 vt7 -layout gpu1' and then 'startx -- :1 vt7 -layout gpu2', my :0 gets killed. usually you wouldnt see this, but since i have 2 separate display devices i use through the -layouts with one gpu each |
| 22:49.21 | jelly-home | Ace2016: "hi, $my_problem_here" is nice |
| 22:49.22 | karsten | Gun_Smoke: Try 'ls -s' rather than 'ls -l'. And something's wrong w/ my find... |
| 22:49.28 | valdyn | petra29: im not sure you understand X "sessions" correctly, or that having multiple "screens" 0.0 0.1 etc is contradicting having multiple sessions |
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| 22:49.50 | karsten | Gun_Smoke: Eg: find /lib/modules/ -type f -print0 | xargs -0 ls -sd | sort -k1nr,1 | head -20 |
| 22:50.19 | Chri1 | hi |
| 22:50.20 | petra29 | valdyn: yes, i know that :0.0 :0.1 is something other than using :0 and :1. |
| 22:50.26 | RickyWh | is there to create my own package installer for apt-get so that i can remove using apt-get remove mycustompkg // when i need to? |
| 22:50.36 | karsten | Gun_Smoke: You could wrap that up in shell function goodness for additional sweetness. |
| 22:50.42 | Aleera | heh |
| 22:50.43 | abrotman | RickyWh: yes |
| 22:50.44 | valdyn | petra29: you can have 2 sessions , one on 0.0 and one on 0.1 |
| 22:50.48 | Chri1 | i'm having some trouble editing the iptables in my debian etch server |
| 22:50.57 | karsten | RickyWh: yes. 'alien' is probably the fastest way there. |
| 22:50.57 | Aleera | anyone know how I can get cdrdao for debian 4.0?' |
| 22:50.58 | RickyWh | abrotman, how do i do it? |
| 22:51.10 | Aleera | I could of sworn it would come with it |
| 22:51.12 | karsten | RickyWh: Or read the new package maintainer's guide. |
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| 22:51.29 | johndoe | hi |
| 22:51.36 | karsten | Aleera: It's changed its name, I think, too... |
| 22:51.37 | Gun_Smoke | whoa.. Take my eyes off the man pages for a second and there is all kinds of new things to do.. lol Thanks for all them.. Lemme give some a shot. |
| 22:51.37 | Chri1 | can somebody help me with my iptables? |
| 22:51.43 | petra29 | valdyn: but i don't want that since gnome can't handle them separate. and thats a known one on the wishlist for quite a time. so the only way is to use :0 and :1 |
| 22:51.53 | jelly-home | !info cdrdao etch |
| 22:51.54 | dpkg | cdrdao: (records CDs in Disk-At-Once (DAO) mode), section otherosfs, is optional. Version: 1:1.2.2-5 (etch), Packaged size: 428 kB, Installed size: 1124 kB |
| 22:52.03 | karsten | Aleera: see above. it's there. |
| 22:52.05 | valdyn | petra29: fine |
| 22:52.12 | Chri1 | !info iptables |
| 22:52.13 | valdyn | petra29: cant display to vt at a time either |
| 22:52.14 | dpkg | iptables: (administration tools for packet filtering and NAT), section net, is important. Version: 1.3.8.0debian1-1 (sid), Packaged size: 397 kB, Installed size: 1340 kB |
| 22:52.18 | valdyn | petra29: cant display TWO vt at a time either |
| 22:52.34 | abrotman | Chri1: how about actually telling us your problem |
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| 22:52.50 | valdyn | petra29: guess what you want precisely needs someone to code it - but i havent tried it |
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| 22:53.15 | Satanz | Im all tonight, the attraction the perfections |
| 22:53.15 | petra29 | valdyn: i had the suggestion from #xorg to try -isolateDevice on the vt7 pci GPU to prevent it to be resetted when switching to vt8, i have yet to try it |
| 22:53.27 | Satanz | Im sexxi babix |
| 22:53.32 | Chri1 | when i try to /sbin/iptables -A PREROUTING -s 192.168.0.0/255.255.255.0 -p tcp -j DNAT --to-destination 64.111.96.38 i get the message "segmentation fault" |
| 22:53.35 | Satanz | Si bonita |
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| 22:54.06 | Satanz | Im starting to feel you child, the sexxiness |
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| 22:54.51 | Chri1 | does that help abrotman? |
| 22:55.15 | Aleera | Every time I try and start up K3b CD & DVD Burning it asks me for cdrdao |
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| 22:55.26 | jelly-home | Aleera: is cdrdao installed? |
| 22:55.33 | simonrvn | thank you for the relief from moronicity |
| 22:55.40 | Chri1 | when i try to /sbin/iptables -A PREROUTING -s 192.168.0.0/255.255.255.0 -p tcp -j DNAT --to-destination 64.111.96.38 i get the message "segmentation fault" |
| 22:55.41 | Aleera | No idea, I just installed debian yesterday. |
| 22:55.44 | mogra | how do I change debian recognizing the system clock to Local instead of UTC? |
| 22:55.51 | jelly-home | Aleera: install it. |
| 22:55.51 | Aleera | how can I tell? |
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| 22:56.46 | jelly-home | Aleera: what's the output of dpkg -l cdrdao|tail -1 ? if the line begins with ii, it's installed |
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| 22:57.53 | TheBonsai | hi. how can i remove such virtual packages (?) like "gnome-desktop-environment" without uninstalling the whole gnome? i guess i want to "unbind" from those packages, to be able to remove programs without loosing the whole system by dependency tracking |
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| 22:57.57 | valdyn | mogra: edit /etc/default/rcS |
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| 22:58.15 | Swapper | Hi! |
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| 22:58.21 | karsten | TheBonsai: Don't. |
| 22:58.38 | fozze | I'm running debian via nfs and while I'm in the environment trying to do an apt-get update/upgrade/install I get a "dpkg: unable to lock dpkg status database: No locks available" which I believe is due to my nfs not be configured correctly. What should I look at specifically? Thanks. |
| 22:58.44 | karsten | TheBonsai: The virtual package gives you a handle to remove the rest of the stuff. It takes up very minimal space (just package metadata). |
| 22:58.44 | TheBonsai | karrotx: eew. that sounds fixed :) |
| 22:59.25 | karsten | TheBonsai: That's "karsten". |
| 22:59.28 | punsad | I just installed oldstable (sarge) a month ago and am finding that there are still security updates. Anyone know for how much longer it will be supported? |
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| 22:59.38 | TheBonsai | karsten: well, it's more about the other way round. in particular, i just wanted to remove "evolution", and there's a reverse-deĆ¼ on that v-package |
| 22:59.38 | simonrvn | fozze: enable lockd on the server |
| 22:59.53 | TheBonsai | karrotx: sorry ;) (where do i remember your nick from??) |
| 23:00.11 | karsten | TheBonsai: ... and by marking the additional packages as installed per deps, you _might_ be able to nuke the whole thing in one swell foop. |
| 23:00.14 | karsten | TheBonsai: hrm. |
| 23:00.31 | karsten | TheBonsai: Good question ;-) |
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| 23:01.01 | manu_hack | i found my xterm not being able to maximize, other apps (like iceweasel) can fully maximize but only xterm leaves some margin on the bottom and the right, is this a wm thing or xterm thing? |
| 23:01.15 | karsten | manu_hack: xterm |
| 23:01.17 | TheBonsai | karsten: i'll find a way. maybe tagging packages as manual or so. though, that would be bad aswell |
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| 23:01.25 | manu_hack | karsten: any solution to that? |
| 23:01.27 | karsten | manu_hack: It resizes in whole line/column increments. |
| 23:01.34 | karsten | manu_hack: Live with it. |
| 23:02.13 | manu_hack | karsten: you using xterm? any better term, I found rxvt can do the bottom but still not the right |
| 23:02.15 | karsten | TheBonsai: You could do that. Get a list of the deps for *-desktop, strip out libs, and install 'em explicitly. Should do the trick. Unless someone's got other suggestions. |
| 23:02.28 | fozze | simonrvn: forgive my ignorance, but how do I configure lockd to be enabled? |
| 23:02.31 | karsten | manu_hack: rxvt-xpm myself |
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| 23:02.49 | simonrvn | /etc/default/nfs* |
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| 23:03.00 | punsad | fozze: include a symlink in /etc/rc2.d |
| 23:03.04 | TheBonsai | karsten: thanks. i'll come back later, i'm still installing this thing (dist upgrade to unstable) |
| 23:03.05 | mogra | valdyn: thx, will try that |
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| 23:03.21 | punsad | fozze: assuming you boot to runlevel 2 |
| 23:04.02 | manu_hack | thx karsten |
| 23:04.03 | fozze | punsad: yep, i do |
| 23:04.18 | mogra | ok, umm. It's set to no, in there, but system time keeps getting thrown off 6 hours. |
| 23:04.36 | karsten | TheBonsai: NP |
| 23:04.38 | punsad | fozze: all daemons listed in that directory are started at startup |
| 23:04.53 | RickyWh | how can i check if packages are installed already or not? |
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| 23:05.51 | karsten | RickyWh: man dpkg |
| 23:06.07 | Aleera | when I put in the command you told me it says... |
| 23:06.29 | Aleera | un cdrdao <none> (no description available) |
| 23:06.51 | johndoe | how can i tell whether madwifi installed correctly? |
| 23:06.59 | jelly-home | Aleera: that means it's not installed. |
| 23:07.19 | Aleera | is there some kind of preinstalled package I can unbundle thats already there? |
| 23:07.19 | wols | Aleera: but something's wrong when there is no description |
| 23:07.49 | Aleera | a reinstall will do? |
| 23:08.12 | wols | johndoe: do you have an network interface for it? |
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| 23:08.36 | jelly-home | Aleera: reinstall of what? Just install cdrdao (for the first time) |
| 23:08.54 | john_scrotum | anybody have any suggestions for a firewall? I'm not going to be doing NAT, so I don't need anything super complicated. I've run Shorewall before, but I don't really need that this time. |
| 23:09.03 | Aleera | from where? how? I downloaded a tar file and it refused to open |
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| 23:09.26 | Aleera | It refused to extract* |
| 23:09.37 | john_scrotum | I've been looking at firestarter. I really don't want to mess with iptables manually. What do you folks use for a firewall? |
| 23:09.59 | wols | Aleera: you install via aptitude in debian. not by downloading and untarring |
| 23:10.11 | gravity | john_scrotum: shorewall is pretty nice |
| 23:10.12 | wols | john_scrotum: nothing. why would we? |
| 23:10.31 | wols | john_scrotum: if you don't want to have ports open to the public, don't open them |
| 23:10.34 | fozze | punsad: I'm guess the /sbin/rpc.lockd is what I need to symlink to? |
| 23:10.37 | johndoe | wols: i have no idea |
| 23:10.37 | beardy | john_scrotum: Have a look at firehol instead. |
| 23:10.47 | john_scrotum | wols: I dunno... Are you not security conscious? |
| 23:11.00 | wols | how does a firewall help your security? |
| 23:11.17 | wols | john_scrotum: closed ports can't be opened. no need for a firewall |
| 23:11.34 | wols | johndoe: what did you do? |
| 23:11.38 | jelly-home | limiting access to services is nice. |
| 23:11.52 | john_scrotum | wols: But I don't have closed ports. So I need to restrict access to the ports that are open. |
| 23:11.53 | wols | jelly-home: limiting how? |
| 23:12.03 | jelly-home | wols: by ip range, for example. |
| 23:12.12 | john_scrotum | beardy: Thanks. I will give firehol a look. |
| 23:12.12 | wols | john_scrotum: why do you have something listened on a port if you don#t want to have it open? |
| 23:12.21 | johndoe | wols: i typed wlanconfig ath0 list scan in console and it gave an error |
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| 23:12.42 | beardy | wols: You don't know if he does, you are being unnecessary.. like you are, now. |
| 23:12.44 | valdyn | johndoe: clearly you are confused, a system with all ports open is hardly usable |
| 23:13.02 | valdyn | johndoe: ops |
| 23:13.05 | wols | !tell johndoe about errors |
| 23:13.07 | john_scrotum | wols: Limiting them to machines that are on the protected side of the firewall. |
| 23:13.13 | valdyn | john_scrotum: ^^^ |
| 23:13.17 | Aleera | alright |
| 23:13.20 | Gun_Smoke | Well 'du -ah | sort -g | less' is along the lines of what I'm looking for. Only if 'sort' would allow me to sort by size.. I get 700K and 700M in the same output. Any ideas? |
| 23:13.26 | wols | beardy: I don't know what? |
| 23:13.27 | Aleera | now tell me how do I get a forgotten root password? |
| 23:13.41 | valdyn | !i forgot root's password |
| 23:13.41 | dpkg | 1) 'linux init=/bin/sh' at a lilo boot prompt (hold Shift while booting to make one appear), 2) 'fsck' your root file system, 3) 'mount -o remount,rw /', 4) 'passwd root' 5) 'mount -o remount,ro /' 6) reboot -d -f (exec /sbin/init should work); For GRUB (e.g. etch, sarge): in step 1, press 'e' to edit the kernel setting (add init=/bin/sh to the end of it), 'b' to boot. Steps 2-6 are the same. |
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| 23:13.52 | johndoe | wols: ioctl[unknown???]: No such device |
| 23:13.53 | beardy | wols: Don't be an ass when there's no need to, it's only Friday, not Sunday, aswell. |
| 23:14.20 | beardy | john_scrotum: /usr/share/doc/firehol/examples to get you started. |
| 23:14.21 | jelly-home | beardy: that implies we're allowed to be donkeys on Sundays! |
| 23:14.24 | wols | *plonk* beardy |
| 23:14.29 | karsten | Gun_Smoke: Don't specify 'h' for 'du' |
| 23:14.50 | karsten | Gun_Smoke: ... that's "human readable" Default is KB. |
| 23:14.51 | beardy | jelly-home: Hard to avoid it then. |
| 23:14.54 | Gun_Smoke | karsten: I was just thinking that!! |
| 23:15.02 | beardy | wols: Likewise then. |
| 23:15.09 | wols | johndoe: tell us what you did to install |
| 23:15.17 | karsten | Gun_Smoke: Note that 'ls -s' gives you actual filesize. du gives you disk allocation (size rounded up to next largest file allocation block). |
| 23:15.24 | johndoe | !tell wols madwifi-install |
| 23:15.28 | karsten | Gun_Smoke: Blocks are IIRC 1k in ext3 |
| 23:15.38 | karsten | Gun_Smoke: ... or 4k. I can't recall |
| 23:15.45 | wols | johndoe: I know what dpkg says. doesn't mean you did it or there were errors when you did it |
| 23:15.56 | Gun_Smoke | karsten: Thats fine.. I'm just trying to find out where the 22G of used space went to.. |
| 23:16.02 | karsten | Gun_Smoke: 4k |
| 23:16.06 | karsten | Gun_Smoke: Dig. |
| 23:16.11 | johndoe | wols: ill get it to nopaste |
| 23:16.11 | wols | johndoe: not to mention your dpkg command didn't do squat either |
| 23:16.18 | johndoe | wols: hehe |
| 23:16.35 | jelly-home | karsten: dumpe2fs -h /some/device | grep ^Block\ size |
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| 23:17.07 | johndoe | wols: http://rafb.net/p/ocY2rJ63.html |
| 23:17.08 | jelly-home | or Gun_Smoke, not you |
| 23:17.22 | wols | johndoe: lsmod output to |
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| 23:17.25 | wols | *too |
| 23:17.34 | rodpod | !tell pptpd rodpod |
| 23:17.43 | wols | !tell rodpod about selftell |
| 23:18.01 | johndoe | wols: http://rafb.net/p/YJKdMR41.html |
| 23:18.07 | rodpod | im not the smartest peanut in the turd |
| 23:18.16 | zoredache | is there a command I can type in a terminal to pipe something directly to the clipboard for pasting? |
| 23:19.17 | wols | zoredache: try apt-cache search xclip |
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| 23:19.37 | wols | johndoe: The server at rafb.net is taking too long to respond. |
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| 23:19.56 | johndoe | looks like its down |
| 23:19.57 | pickcoder | wols: came up for me |
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| 23:20.08 | pickcoder | must be a rouing problem |
| 23:20.09 | wols | pickcoder: then you answer him |
| 23:20.19 | johndoe | wols: works now |
| 23:20.32 | pickcoder | what was the question again? |
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| 23:21.30 | johndoe | pickcoder: about madwifi, is it installed correctly |
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| 23:22.24 | wols | johndoe: that one I can tell you without looking at anything: it isn't. that won't be of any use tho. but then it's par for the course I guess |
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| 23:22.34 | zoredache | wols: your a genius.. that seems to be exactly what I want. Thanks |
| 23:22.37 | pickcoder | the tools installed |
| 23:22.42 | pickcoder | but I don't see a download of the source |
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| 23:23.22 | Aleera | under what title in Aptitude would it be? |
| 23:23.29 | wols | hmmm. I can traceroute to rafb.net just fine. but still no workie |
| 23:23.37 | wols | !tell Aleera about search |
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| 23:24.13 | Gun_Smoke | jelly-home: karsten Block size of 4096? |
| 23:24.28 | pickcoder | nevermind.. there is note in there where it downloaded and unpacked the source |
| 23:24.51 | johndoe | wols: can i send it to you over private? |
| 23:25.00 | wols | no |
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| 23:27.37 | johndoe | wols: http://paste.debian.net/43848 |
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| 23:31.09 | wols | johndoe: the driver isn't loaded it seems. can you load it? |
| 23:31.28 | johndoe | wols: modprobe ath_pci? |
| 23:31.37 | fasta | Can root read and write all memory locations? (Also of space in use by programs or even the kernel) |
| 23:31.39 | Gun_Smoke | .. /var/cache/apt/archives Important? |
| 23:31.45 | wols | sry. didn't see it at first |
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| 23:32.22 | wols | Gun_Smoke: man apt-get to see how to empty it |
| 23:32.39 | Aleera | alright.. it's time for a switch. am going openbsd, how would I go about just plain formating? |
| 23:32.41 | Gun_Smoke | wols: I will |
| 23:32.46 | wols | johndoe: anything in your dmesg about the driver? and what atheros chip exactly do you have? |
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| 23:33.08 | johndoe | wols: atheros AR5007EG |
| 23:33.14 | wols | Aleera: you don't want to format in debian if you want to install openbsd. do it in openbsd instead |
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| 23:34.11 | b0ha | is there any guide for installing compiz on debian ? |
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| 23:34.19 | sdubois92-laptop | b0ha: on the wiki |
| 23:34.54 | fasta | Why does everyone want to install a broken program? |
| 23:35.56 | TheBonsai | heh |
| 23:36.01 | johndoe | wols: it seems there's no sign of driver in dmesg |
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| 23:36.44 | b0ha | sdubois92-laptop, im not sure if my graphic card is supported |
| 23:36.52 | b0ha | i have intel X3100 |
| 23:37.11 | b0ha | do you think it will work without problems ? |
| 23:37.13 | wols | bobo79: it is |
| 23:37.21 | wols | if you have 3D working |
| 23:37.38 | sdubois92-laptop | sdubois92-laptop: http://wiki.debian.org/Compiz |
| 23:37.43 | johndoe | wols: i was wrong, this shows up in dmesg: ath_pci: 0.9.4.5 (0.9.3.2) |
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| 23:38.33 | Gun_Smoke | wols: Thanks for the reminder.. 'clean' |
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| 23:39.16 | TrueDD | Good night all |
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| 23:49.04 | johndoe | wols: looks like the drivers are loaded, madwifi is succesfully installed but i dont have ath0 |
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| 23:51.09 | alaya | johndoe: ifconfig ath0 up |
| 23:51.30 | johndoe | alaya: ath0: ERROR while getting interface flags: No such device |
| 23:51.34 | alaya | johndoe: first run: wlanconfig ath0 create wlandev wifi0 wlanmode sta |
| 23:51.56 | johndoe | alaya: wlanconfig: ioctl: No such device |
| 23:52.09 | alaya | johndoe: sounds like the module isn't loaded |
| 23:52.36 | johndoe | alaya: http://paste.debian.net/43848 |
| 23:52.41 | alaya | tail syslog while you modprobe -r it then remodprobe it |
| 23:53.10 | johndoe | what do i have to do exactly? |
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| 23:53.36 | alaya | tail -f /var/log/syslog use modprobe to remove then re-load the module |
| 23:53.37 | igorov | hola |
| 23:53.49 | igorov | algun latino |
| 23:54.13 | abrotman | !es |
| 23:54.13 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
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| 23:58.37 | johndoe | alaya: http://paste.debian.net/43851 |
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| 23:59.25 | Nedlinpopo_ | is anyone a guru on /etc/network/interfaces |
| 23:59.50 | abrotman | just ask |
| 23:59.53 | Mithshark | What do you need Nedlinpopo_ ? |