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| 00:00.39 | Nedlinpopo_ | i seem to get misplaced option errors on things that i would think, and the manpage seems to agree, should work. |
| 00:00.48 | abrotman | !paste |
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| 00:01.32 | Nedlinpopo_ | i have a line like "inet static blah" with a post-up and pre-down syntax that it throwxs an error on |
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| 00:01.50 | Nedlinpopo_ | is there some order in which i have to list them or something? |
| 00:01.51 | abrotman | paste the whole thing |
| 00:01.58 | Nedlinpopo_ | okay, hangon |
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| 00:03.36 | Nedlinpopo_ | http://rafb.net/p/DxUoy183.html |
| 00:04.21 | abrotman | so what line does it say is bad ? |
| 00:04.36 | Nedlinpopo_ | it complains on the pre-up line |
| 00:04.45 | Nedlinpopo_ | but it might just be giving up |
| 00:04.54 | abrotman | post-up or pre-down ? |
| 00:05.01 | Nedlinpopo_ | and not complaining about teh pre-down |
| 00:05.04 | Nedlinpopo_ | sorry, post-up |
| 00:05.18 | abrotman | what is the message? |
| 00:05.35 | Nedlinpopo_ | Configuring network interfaces.../etc/network/interfaces:41: misplaced option |
| 00:05.36 | Nedlinpopo_ | ifup: couldn't read interfaces file "/etc/network/interfaces" |
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| 00:06.18 | abrotman | is it in some sort of chroot ? |
| 00:06.26 | Nedlinpopo_ | i don't think so |
| 00:06.35 | Nedlinpopo_ | it seems ot be okay on non-static entries |
| 00:06.56 | abrotman | i'm guessing you created /etc/network/if-post-up.d/ ? |
| 00:07.02 | Nedlinpopo_ | yes |
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| 00:07.27 | pipegeek | Does anyone have any idea how one might specify at mount time which users should be allowed to *unmount* a device? (say, if it's being mounted as root) |
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| 00:07.35 | Nedlinpopo_ | it has the same mode bits as teh others |
| 00:07.46 | Nedlinpopo_ | pipegeek: i think you want sudo |
| 00:08.05 | pipegeek | Well, yes, |
| 00:08.27 | pipegeek | except that 'mount' is being called from inside a script that needs to run as root, and which I don't want to modify, since it's managed by dpkg |
| 00:08.40 | pipegeek | I can, however, feed in options to 'mount' from outside |
| 00:08.47 | Nedlinpopo_ | that's fine, you only want permissions on umount anyway |
| 00:08.56 | pipegeek | right, but |
| 00:09.04 | pipegeek | not all users doing this have sudo |
| 00:09.18 | Nedlinpopo_ | then you need to give them a sudo group |
| 00:09.28 | Nedlinpopo_ | even if it's just for that one command |
| 00:09.29 | pipegeek | Basically, here's the whole story: I want normal users to be able to unmount their usb drives, after they've been automatically mounted by usbmount |
| 00:09.59 | pipegeek | Why is it that root can't simply say: I'm mounting this, but I want user x to be able to unmount it"? |
| 00:10.09 | abrotman | Nedlinpopo_: have you tried another command? |
| 00:10.19 | Nedlinpopo_ | abrotman: hmm, no. |
| 00:10.25 | Nedlinpopo_ | i'll try to touch something |
| 00:10.29 | abrotman | just like 'echo "hi"' or something |
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| 00:11.09 | pipegeek | I could modify /usr/share/usbmount/usbmount to call mount as the desired user (ie, the one that owns the device), but then, not only have I modified the script, but I can no longer specify mount options |
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| 00:12.25 | Nedlinpopo_ | pipegeek: i think you can have granularity on what arguments a user can call umount with in a sudo rule |
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| 00:13.03 | pipegeek | Nedlinpopo_: yes, but it's too big a risk, and there's just *no reason* that the users should *have* to become root. If root *wants* them to be able to unmount a device, why shouldn't it be so? |
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| 00:13.56 | Nedlinpopo_ | how is that a risk? it's exactly what sudo was invented for |
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| 00:14.39 | simonrvn | touch menow |
| 00:14.48 | diafic | other than rtorrent, what other commandline torrent systems are there? |
| 00:14.50 | diafic | or web based, even |
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| 00:14.57 | dondelelcaro | having users be able to mount and unmount filesystems is always a risk |
| 00:14.57 | brian994 | Isn't sudo command an alternative to the runas command of my freaking windows? |
| 00:14.59 | Nedlinpopo_ | abrotman: it doesn't like touch /tmp/touching either |
| 00:15.01 | simonrvn | samantha fox song, geek style |
| 00:15.10 | astra-x | does anyone know where I can find a finch .deb file or repository? |
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| 00:15.18 | abrotman | astra-x: finch is in debian |
| 00:15.27 | Nedlinpopo_ | brian994: yes, insofar as runas is a clone of my older su command. |
| 00:15.30 | astra-x | what is the package name, abrotman? |
| 00:15.40 | simonrvn | finch... |
| 00:15.45 | brian994 | apt-get install abrotman |
| 00:15.49 | abrotman | !info finch lenny |
| 00:15.51 | simonrvn | (not in etch) |
| 00:15.53 | dpkg | finch: (text-based multi-protocol instant messaging client), section net, is optional. Version: 2.2.2-1 (lenny), Packaged size: 284 kB, Installed size: 564 kB |
| 00:16.00 | astra-x | ahh |
| 00:16.00 | abrotman | it might be at bpo |
| 00:16.09 | simonrvn | yes |
| 00:16.15 | brian994 | apt-get install condom abrotman |
| 00:16.17 | astra-x | which character was lenny in toy story? |
| 00:16.27 | pipegeek | dondelelcaro: I'm not concerned about the risk of allowing them to unmount filesystems; I'm concerned that they may find a way to do something *other* with the rootly power bestowed upon them by sudo. What's more, they should only be able to unmount their own drives. |
| 00:16.29 | abrotman | binoculars |
| 00:16.31 | simonrvn | binoculars |
| 00:16.34 | astra-x | ahh thanks |
| 00:16.38 | DustyBin | im in the process of partitioning my home server, usually i do a partition for / root and a partition for /home, im now thinking about doing a partition for /var incase the logs build because of a error and the hard drive runs out of space, is that a good idea? are there any other directories what are worth partitioning? |
| 00:16.39 | brian994 | binoculars |
| 00:16.42 | simonrvn | whoah is there an echo in here? :P |
| 00:16.55 | abrotman | something like that |
| 00:17.02 | brian994 | something like that |
| 00:17.05 | Nedlinpopo_ | DustyBin: /tmp |
| 00:17.15 | brian994 | isn't it amazing |
| 00:17.21 | Nedlinpopo_ | since it's world writeable intentionally |
| 00:17.28 | astra-x | so a good replacement to finch for etch is naim and irssi? |
| 00:17.32 | DustyBin | why /tmp ? is this a case of tmp building up and making your hard drive run out of space? |
| 00:17.36 | Gun_Smoke | diafic: Whats wrong with rTorrent? |
| 00:17.44 | abrotman | astra-x: centericq is okay |
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| 00:17.51 | diafic | Gun_Smoke, I'm bored of it |
| 00:17.58 | diafic | nothings wrong with it |
| 00:18.00 | Nedlinpopo_ | DustyBin: yes. and so a user can't fill it up |
| 00:18.07 | diafic | I'd just prefer something different for a change :) |
| 00:18.11 | DustyBin | aye ok |
| 00:18.17 | abrotman | Nedlinpopo_: what about trying a different action |
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| 00:18.30 | astra-x | so is ubuntu just debian with less conservative software policy and some propriest canocial stuff? |
| 00:18.32 | pipegeek | dondelelcaro: for instance, if /etc/sudoers got out of sync with reality, some time long in the future. Which could happen. I want usbmount, and usbmount only, to be responsible for who can and can't unmount devices. And since it *knows* who it's mounting a device as, and it's running as root--- I'm very perplexed that there's no way to do this. |
| 00:18.34 | Nedlinpopo_ | abrotman: the exact same line works for an interface taht's DHCP'd |
| 00:18.37 | Gun_Smoke | diafic: I don't know of any.. I love rtorrent.. How about you get DHT to work in it.. That will give you something to do. |
| 00:18.46 | diafic | DHT? |
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| 00:19.13 | abrotman | Nedlinpopo_: i meant try a pre-up |
| 00:19.19 | astra-x | best debian command ever: "apt-get install gentoo" |
| 00:19.30 | Nedlinpopo_ | hah! |
| 00:20.03 | abrotman | Nedlinpopo_: what is allow-rarp_server? |
| 00:20.13 | astra-x | also could anyone recommend a good helpdesk software that is (l)amp based? |
| 00:20.30 | abrotman | argh .. i read that as "one" amp based |
| 00:21.00 | Nedlinpopo_ | abrotman: an older idea where i was going to get ifup to produce a list of interfaces tagged as such |
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| 00:21.05 | abrotman | Nedlinpopo_: i don't see it in the man page .. which is why i'm asking |
| 00:21.09 | dondelelcaro | pipegeek: you can already umount any devices that you've mounted yourself. |
| 00:21.21 | Nedlinpopo_ | allow-??? is in the manpage |
| 00:21.21 | dondelelcaro | pipegeek: as far as specifying the user, if you want to do that, just su to that user. |
| 00:21.31 | Nedlinpopo_ | rarp-server is just eh keyword i picked |
| 00:21.40 | pipegeek | dondelelcaro: yes, but these devices are mounted by root. I want the user who owns the device, not the user who's calling mount, to be allowed to unmount it |
| 00:21.51 | abrotman | Nedlinpopo_: ah .. got it |
| 00:21.57 | pipegeek | dondelelcaro: and if I su to the user, then I can't specify mount options, other than what's in fstab |
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| 00:22.40 | dondelelcaro | pipegeek: then set owner or group or similar in the fstab |
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| 00:23.24 | Nedlinpopo_ | it seems to complain about a pre-up as well |
| 00:23.24 | pipegeek | dondelelcaro: ok. So, say I do that. This means that I have to insert a call to 'su' before 'mount' in /usr/share/usbmount/usbmount. Which is managed by dpkg. Which will get replaced the next time a new version of the package comes out. |
| 00:23.27 | Tramp | Nedlinpopo_: you only pasted a small part of your interfaces-file. Since ifup complains about the syntax of the file itself, the error was probably made earlierr |
| 00:23.48 | abrotman | Nedlinpopo_: what if you comment out that allow- line ? |
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| 00:23.50 | pipegeek | dondelelcaro: I didn't want to have to modify it. However, the only thing I can change from /etc/usbmount is the options passed to mount, not the user it's run as |
| 00:23.57 | abrotman | !tell flameman about root |
| 00:24.05 | Tramp | Nedlinpopo_: like when you forget a closing quote but the compiler will not complain until the next opening quote |
| 00:24.10 | Nedlinpopo_ | Tramp: if i remove the line in question the rest of teh file verifies syntax |
| 00:24.28 | Nedlinpopo_ | and behaves correctly |
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| 00:25.26 | Gun_Smoke | I'm reading over the su man pages... So I cannot su to another user unless I have their pwd? |
| 00:25.42 | dondelelcaro | pipegeek: so use dpkg-divert to divert that copy of usbmount and use your own. |
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| 00:26.11 | Nedlinpopo_ | Gun_Smoke: yes, unless you're root. |
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| 00:26.46 | dondelelcaro | pipegeek: and possibly file bugs asking for such an option in usbmount |
| 00:26.56 | Gun_Smoke | Nedlinpopo_: Thanks, so then becoming root and then su ***** will let me correct? |
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| 00:27.09 | Nedlinpopo_ | Gun_Smoke: yes. |
| 00:27.10 | simonrvn | su - |
| 00:27.14 | Gun_Smoke | Nedlinpopo_: Thanks. |
| 00:27.21 | Nedlinpopo_ | that's one of the reasons root is a 'super' user |
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| 00:28.48 | Gun_Smoke | Nedlinpopo_: I was misunderstanding the 'su' command.. I was thinking that it if I just did su ***** It would first make me root and then the other user. If that thinking makes any sense. |
| 00:28.59 | Nedlinpopo_ | holy crap! i can't believe that works. |
| 00:29.01 | simonrvn | no |
| 00:29.09 | Nedlinpopo_ | something id broken about the allow-command |
| 00:29.11 | astra-x | anyway, anyone have any recommendations on helpdesk software? |
| 00:29.26 | Nedlinpopo_ | when it's present it causes the pre-up to be an invalid option |
| 00:29.42 | Nedlinpopo_ | i wonder if this is a lex bug and dynamic scoping.... |
| 00:29.48 | Nedlinpopo_ | s/id/is |
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| 00:30.05 | abrotman | try putting it as the last option |
| 00:30.13 | Nedlinpopo_ | yeah, i'm about to |
| 00:30.14 | jelly-home | astra-x: What kind of helpdesk software? Ticketing system? Knowledge database? |
| 00:30.28 | astra-x | ticketing mostly, and client management secondarly |
| 00:30.30 | simonrvn | RYO |
| 00:30.48 | abrotman | right your own? :) |
| 00:30.54 | simonrvn | roll |
| 00:31.01 | simonrvn | *grin* |
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| 00:31.23 | astra-x | <---terrible coder |
| 00:31.35 | jelly-home | astra-x: have you already checked out RT, OTRS, and other known ticketing stuff? |
| 00:31.48 | simonrvn | i couldn't code my way out of a paper bag |
| 00:32.03 | Nedlinpopo_ | wow. |
| 00:32.12 | abrotman | Nedlinpopo_: works as the last option? |
| 00:32.18 | Nedlinpopo_ | it seems to matter when you add teh allow- option |
| 00:32.21 | Nedlinpopo_ | yep |
| 00:32.24 | Nedlinpopo_ | that's lame. |
| 00:32.28 | simonrvn | i don't seem to have the mindset for it. i can do simple things that's all |
| 00:32.28 | astra-x | what do those acronyms stand for, jelly-home? |
| 00:32.37 | Nedlinpopo_ | someone should report that as a bug. |
| 00:32.42 | abrotman | !reportbug |
| 00:32.42 | dpkg | it has been said that reportbug is used to submit bugs to the Debian <BTS>. Install reportbug, then run reportbug. Or on the web, http://www.debian.org/Bugs/ |
| 00:32.42 | jelly-home | astra-x: those are names of some ticketing systems |
| 00:32.48 | abrotman | Nedlinpopo_: knock yourself out :) |
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| 00:33.19 | Nedlinpopo_ | i will, thanks for the help |
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| 00:34.52 | Nedlinpopo_ | bah! this is not going to let me submit a bug on a webpage |
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| 00:35.47 | DustyBin | ive just had a great idea, if one runs a server at home and has a few desktops, why doesnt one put his or her /home on the server ! |
| 00:36.06 | DustyBin | that means you can login to your desktop anywhere |
| 00:36.06 | oDesk | how i add auth. for postfix |
| 00:36.21 | dondelelcaro | DustyBin: the problem with that is that it assumes you'll always have network connectivity. |
| 00:36.36 | abrotman | Nedlinpopo_: you can use a webmail :) |
| 00:36.37 | jelly-home | astra-x: in debian, those are packaged as request-tracker3.4 and otrs2 (or otrs), respectively |
| 00:36.38 | DustyBin | well i would! |
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| 00:36.42 | dondelelcaro | DustyBin: you'll probably find eventually that you don't always, and in those cases, using some VCS starts to make sense. |
| 00:36.47 | oDesk | i'm on Etch4 |
| 00:36.48 | Tramp | Nedlinpopo_: hmmm. From what I read in the manpage, allow-??? is a stanza, not an option. You seem to treat it as an option (considering your indentation), but it is parsed as a stanza |
| 00:36.50 | th1 | DustyBin, erhhhhhh |
| 00:37.03 | DustyBin | i remember a similar setup at work, every mac i logged into my desktop was the same |
| 00:37.03 | Nedlinpopo_ | abrotman: can you send that bug in. my only debian box is an ARM9 with a flash HD and installling software is a multi-hour proposition |
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| 00:37.12 | th1 | thats what *nix was invented for |
| 00:37.16 | Nedlinpopo_ | Tramp: i see. |
| 00:37.28 | Tramp | NelsonFx: So the following option is not assigned to a stanza, since the allow-?? stanza has no options |
| 00:37.32 | Tramp | uhps. |
| 00:37.34 | pabix | Hello. Which -dev packages should I install when I have a segfault with gecko? |
| 00:37.36 | Nedlinpopo_ | the manpage i read didn't make that clear to me |
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| 00:39.08 | dondelelcaro | pabix: none of them will help; you'll presumably want to turn on coredumps, install any -dbg packages that exist for the libraries in question, and then file a bug with a backtrace of the coredump. |
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| 00:39.55 | DustyBin | on my homeserver im going to create these partitions: /boot /var /usr /tmp /home |
| 00:39.59 | Nedlinpopo_ | okay, the on-host one does make that clear. |
| 00:40.03 | pabix | dondelelcaro, thank you for your answer |
| 00:40.05 | pabix | I will try |
| 00:40.09 | Nedlinpopo_ | i guess the web version i used just sucks. |
| 00:40.20 | Nedlinpopo_ | woohoo for the internet! |
| 00:40.29 | pabix | I was meaning -dbg, you're right |
| 00:40.33 | Tramp | The Internet is overrated. |
| 00:41.00 | Nedlinpopo_ | Tramp: yeah, but it's faster than a 200Mhz ARM. |
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| 00:44.00 | dondelelcaro | pabix: yeah, in that case, just generate the coredump first, then check out and see what the backtrace says, then install those -dbg packages. If you can't figur ethem out, fell free to use a paste site to show us the coredumps, asnd we'll help you out. |
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| 00:44.31 | pabix | dondelelcaro, ok. Next time it occurs, I will paste the coredump |
| 00:44.55 | pabix | But I think that eventually it came from the Google Toolbar and has nothing to do with gecko code actually |
| 00:45.10 | pabix | so I uninstalled it to see |
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| 00:46.57 | Nedlinpopo_ | okay guys, thanks fo ryour help |
| 00:47.01 | Nedlinpopo_ | everything works now |
| 00:47.03 | Nedlinpopo_ | later |
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| 00:50.50 | jzxu | say I check out an older version of a file from svn, make modifications to it, and now want to commit it over the newest version in the repository, how do I do that? |
| 00:51.47 | solar_sea | after an upgrade to 2.6.22.4 from 2.6.18-4 I'm no longer able to mount my usb flash drive/mp3 player. Any ideas why ? [debian lenny, i386] |
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| 00:52.28 | jzxu | solar_sea: how are you mounting it? |
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| 00:52.41 | jzxu | what's your fstab entry or the command you're using? |
| 00:52.53 | solar_sea | usually with pmount, now it won't work even with an mount from root |
| 00:53.21 | solar_sea | dmesg says " sd 5:0:0:0: [sdc] Assuming drive cache: write through ; sdc: sdc1 ", tabbing at /dev/sd fulls nothing |
| 00:54.15 | abrotman | solar_sea: use the debian kernel .. problem solved |
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| 00:54.25 | solar_sea | I'm using the debian one |
| 00:54.27 | solar_sea | from lenny |
| 00:54.38 | abrotman | 22.4 isn't lenny |
| 00:54.44 | abrotman | lenny has 22-3 |
| 00:54.50 | solar_sea | okey, my bad |
| 00:54.59 | solar_sea | vmlinuz-2.6.22.3 |
| 00:55.08 | abrotman | -3? |
| 00:55.24 | solar_sea | 0_o uname -a => Linux Painkiller 2.6.22-2-686 #1 SMP Fri Aug 31 00:24:01 UTC 2007 i686 GNU/Linux |
| 00:55.34 | abrotman | a little off eh ? |
| 00:55.38 | abrotman | anyways .. |
| 00:55.49 | john_scrotum | anyone here use bittornadoclientcurses? |
| 00:56.00 | abrotman | !anyone use |
| 00:56.00 | dpkg | No, no one uses it, not even the people who use it. |
| 00:56.03 | abrotman | !usb storage |
| 00:56.03 | dpkg | Load the 'usb-storage' and 'sd_mod' modules. Then your USB drive should appear as /dev/sda or /dev/sdb or something. Consult /proc/partitions to see if it has a partition table. Create an entry in /etc/fstab like: "/dev/sda1 /mnt/usb vfat user,noauto,noatime 0 0", and do "mkdir /mnt/usb". Then you can "mount /mnt/usb" and "umount /mnt/usb" at will. ask me about <automount> |
| 00:56.27 | DustyBin | do you think 1gig is more than enough for a /var partition on a home server? |
| 00:56.29 | solar_sea | modprobe usb-storage, modprobe sd_mod ? |
| 00:56.40 | john_scrotum | are there any commands for the curses client of bittornado? |
| 00:57.03 | solar_sea | pmount sdc1 Error: could not determine real path of the device: No such file or directory |
| 00:57.19 | solar_sea | although dmesg says that the device is detected it doesn't appear in /dev/ |
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| 00:58.33 | john_scrotum | I've read the man page. I've read the files in /usr/share/doc/bittornado. I've searched google. Are there any commands to display status or detailed information? Or are we just stuck with about a six line display? |
| 00:58.41 | solar_sea | abrotman http://pastebin.com/m4886537a that's the log |
| 00:59.03 | abrotman | is sd_mod and usb-storage loaded ? |
| 00:59.10 | solar_sea | yes |
| 00:59.16 | jzxu | john_scrotum: have you ever checked out rtorrent? |
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| 00:59.41 | john_scrotum | jzxu: No. is it better than bittornado? |
| 00:59.46 | jzxu | john_scrotum: I think so |
| 01:00.01 | john_scrotum | I'll give it a try. |
| 01:00.05 | john_scrotum | thanks |
| 01:00.18 | lolitron | Is using the debian testing repos on a server (that does not particulary need to be super stable) a ridicously bad idea? |
| 01:00.32 | abrotman | things break sometimes |
| 01:00.36 | Samonoske | hey i just installed debian on my harddrive how do i get fluxbox??? apt-get install fluxbox isn't working |
| 01:00.57 | xsdg | lolitron: I like installing sid on servers |
| 01:01.17 | xsdg | lolitron: I don't actually maintain any real servers, but I haven't had any major issues in a few years |
| 01:01.23 | lolitron | hmm |
| 01:01.36 | lolitron | i like to have new versions of everything |
| 01:01.39 | solar_sea | anyway, i'll be back to using the old kernel instead of debugging why the hell it broke, I need that flash drive workign now. |
| 01:01.48 | lolitron | problem is |
| 01:01.52 | azeem | xsdg: please don't advocate using unstable (or testing, really) on servers |
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| 01:02.01 | lolitron | if something breaks really hard, i don't have any physical access to it to fix it |
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| 01:02.19 | xsdg | azeem: why not? |
| 01:02.19 | azeem | lolitron: so you also like to not be FUBAR? |
| 01:02.24 | lolitron | yes :p |
| 01:02.31 | azeem | xsdg: because we killban people who do repeatedly |
| 01:02.46 | xsdg | azeem: that's not actually a helpful response |
| 01:02.52 | azeem | heh |
| 01:03.00 | xsdg | azeem: as someone who has used sid for many years, I am legitimately curious |
| 01:03.20 | azeem | xsdg: because the (other) regulars on this channel do want to have to deal with the fall-out |
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| 01:03.34 | azeem | xsdg: if you agree to privately support all people you turn over to sid, that's fine |
| 01:04.00 | lolitron | mayhaps i should just use backports for things i need |
| 01:04.08 | azeem | lolitron: yes |
| 01:04.11 | xsdg | azeem: just for the record, I'm not terribly active nowadays (yay, school), but I certainly help out a whole bunch over the summers, and have for the past few years as well |
| 01:04.18 | lolitron | that would be a better idea then |
| 01:04.38 | xsdg | azeem: (google is your friend if you don't trust me) |
| 01:06.36 | azeem | your name rings a bell |
| 01:06.54 | azeem | xsdg: but really, you're undermining the effort of the people in here |
| 01:06.56 | De_Mon | how do I get a diff of just lines containing <pattern> |
| 01:07.19 | holycow | does anyone k now of a network scanner that resolves netbios names and ip addresses? nmap doesn't seem to list netbios names |
| 01:07.21 | abrotman | grep ? |
| 01:07.30 | xsdg | De_Mon: do you have example inputs and output? |
| 01:07.38 | xsdg | De_Mon: I'm not really sure I understand what you mean |
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| 01:07.40 | De_Mon | i see -I ignores lines containing pattern but I want JUST lines containing pattern |
| 01:08.33 | lolitron | i can see keeping things updated and what to use and what not to use backports for being slightly confusing |
| 01:08.54 | xsdg | De_Mon: you mean something like diff <(grep pattern file1) <(grep pattern file2)? (in bash) |
| 01:08.55 | De_Mon | I only want differences around changes to the pattern 'include' |
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| 01:09.16 | De_Mon | grep and diff will not create a usable patch |
| 01:09.32 | overnout | diff -u ? |
| 01:09.40 | xsdg | De_Mon: oh, I see |
| 01:09.47 | De_Mon | Ive got some code and have made tons of changes, the only ones I want in the patch are those dealing with includes |
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| 01:10.32 | overnout | De_Mon: probably you need a parsing application |
| 01:10.38 | De_Mon | right now I'm thinking diff -I .*includes.* > patch1 |
| 01:10.42 | De_Mon | diff > patch2 |
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| 01:11.38 | De_Mon | thats not right, create patch1, copy the source tree into a 2nd folder and revert patch1 |
| 01:11.50 | De_Mon | that should leave me with just the includes stuff |
| 01:11.57 | jzxu | oh god, girls playing video games with their boyfriends are so annoying |
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| 01:12.27 | De_Mon | yeah, that'll work I'll make a 2nd copy of the modifications and get creative.. |
| 01:12.37 | De_Mon | was hoping there was a commandline switch I just didn't see |
| 01:12.49 | xsdg | De_Mon: yeah, if the changes are in different spots, you could just edit the patch pretty easily |
| 01:12.50 | lolitron | jesus christ how can mysql be using like 200mb of ram without even having anything on it :[ |
| 01:13.10 | xsdg | beyond that, though, I'm not sure (yeah, I don't see one; might be useful to submit a wishlist bug for) |
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| 01:17.28 | Enverex | lolitron, That kept happening to me and it kept killing itself and a few other processes |
| 01:17.48 | lolitron | it doesn't seem to do that |
| 01:17.55 | lolitron | it just uses a ridiculous amount of ram |
| 01:18.01 | lolitron | despite not doing anything or having any data on it. |
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| 01:31.43 | R0CK | Hello |
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| 01:32.35 | R0CK | guys, If I run the aproxy using "./aproxy rules" it's running, but if i press "ctrl + z" it stops.. |
| 01:32.45 | R0CK | how can i run that in the background? |
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| 01:33.23 | azeem | R0CK: read up on job control |
| 01:33.55 | azeem | man bash, search for JOB CONTROL |
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| 01:34.24 | ross` | excuse me.. will http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/4.0_r1/i386/iso-cd/debian-40r1-i386-CD-1.iso install debian? |
| 01:34.35 | abrotman | yes |
| 01:34.51 | abrotman | or you could use the netinst which is smaller to download |
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| 01:36.06 | ross` | i have dial up |
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| 01:36.41 | abrotman | okay |
| 01:37.25 | sdubois92-laptop | when etch boots, it does DHCPDISCOVER on eth1 and ath0, which takes up a lot of time. how can i turn it off so ath0 loads on boot but doesnt try to connect to the network |
| 01:37.27 | ross` | so just stick it in the cd rom |
| 01:37.30 | ross` | and itll instrall debian? |
| 01:37.53 | azeem | yes |
| 01:37.53 | ross` | also there was a ton of dirrerent cd imagres of dirrefent sizes that has same name except for the last number |
| 01:37.57 | ross` | whats the duifference |
| 01:38.07 | azeem | ross`: why don't you just try? |
| 01:38.33 | azeem | the other CDs have other additional packages on them |
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| 01:38.42 | azeem | Debian has more packages than fit on one CD |
| 01:38.55 | R0CK | okay that is done |
| 01:39.28 | ross` | cause im not at home |
| 01:39.29 | ross` | :P |
| 01:39.30 | holycow | how do you nslookup netbios names that are in a workgroup? i can netbios everything on the domain but not computes in a workgroup ... thoughts? |
| 01:39.34 | R0CK | if the command has stopped unexpectedly and i want it to run automatically again if it stops |
| 01:39.36 | R0CK | how ? |
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| 01:41.32 | R0CK | any idea ? |
| 01:41.55 | azeem | stopped or terminated? |
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| 01:43.21 | R0CK | terminated by some bug |
| 01:43.55 | R0CK | i want it to start it self.. |
| 01:44.07 | azeem | you can maybe periodically run a helper script/program via cron, which checks whether the process is still running and otherwise restarts it |
| 01:44.39 | azeem | R0CK: did you write that command yourself? |
| 01:44.46 | R0CK | No. |
| 01:45.15 | R0CK | do you have the commands ? |
| 01:45.19 | R0CK | or the script ? |
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| 01:46.47 | Insolit | guys what's the tool to check a drive for bad blocks? |
| 01:47.07 | R0CK | that command should check if the process us running halt otherwise ./run |
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| 01:47.21 | azeem | R0CK: I am not aware of any ready-to-use solution |
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| 01:49.43 | Tramp | Insolit: badblocks? |
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| 01:50.11 | Insolit | yes for corrupted blocks |
| 01:50.26 | Tramp | Insolit: well, that was sort of an answer: badblocks. |
| 01:50.45 | Insolit | oh lol thanks |
| 01:50.48 | Insolit | gonna try it then |
| 01:50.49 | Tramp | Insolit: combined with the question if that was what you are looking for. |
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| 01:51.33 | lolitron | is there anything i can use to monitor motherboard voltages? |
| 01:51.46 | overnout | lm_sensors |
| 01:51.52 | lolitron | okay |
| 01:52.00 | lolitron | thanks |
| 01:53.12 | overnout | the driver modules are in the 2.6 kernels included |
| 01:53.44 | azeem | ^garfield2^: please turn that off |
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| 01:55.02 | kaos_nk | Hey, I want to install mplayer with apt-get, the only problem is I don't use an X.org server, so I don't need the extra packages mplayer wants to install. Is there any way to install a .deb with some less 'dependencies' or bundled software, like gentoo's USE flags? |
| 01:55.29 | elmo40 | then what do you want mplayer for? have you tried vlc? |
| 01:55.44 | kaos_nk | I want mplayer to play stuff, I start it from the command line. |
| 01:55.45 | elmo40 | it also has plugins for ff |
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| 01:55.57 | elmo40 | so does vlc, afaik |
| 01:56.06 | kaos_nk | I tried vlc, even though it has a curses interface, I didn't like it that much. |
| 01:56.06 | grigric | hello every body |
| 01:56.08 | azeem | kaos_nk: for music? |
| 01:56.13 | kaos_nk | azeem: videos |
| 01:56.19 | sdubois92-laptop | when etch boots, it does DHCPDISCOVER on eth1 and ath0, which takes up a lot of time. how can i turn it off so ath0 loads on boot but doesnt try to connect to the network |
| 01:56.28 | azeem | kaos_nk: you plan to watch them on the framebuffer? |
| 01:56.33 | kaos_nk | azeem: yp |
| 01:56.35 | kaos_nk | yup+ |
| 01:56.48 | azeem | !equivs |
| 01:56.48 | dpkg | rumour has it, equivs is a package that enables you to create dummy packages that tell apt you really have installed (through some other means) the package. apt-get install equivs, and read /usr/share/doc/equivs/*, or see also <usrlocal> |
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| 01:56.51 | azeem | maybe you want that |
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| 01:57.11 | kaos_nk | hmm, thanks. |
| 01:57.20 | kaos_nk | I'll look into that. :D |
| 01:57.20 | elmo40 | interesting. |
| 01:57.27 | azeem | kaos_nk: Debian doesn't cater to every obscure use-case |
| 01:57.53 | kaos_nk | hmpf, are you saying I should switch to gentoo? it's a bit too hardcore for the likes of me |
| 01:58.11 | elmo40 | sdubois92-laptop: try looking into the /etc/networks file, or edit some boot files. rc5 i guess? |
| 01:58.30 | azeem | I say you should just accept it'll install X libraries |
| 01:58.34 | liable | sdubois92-laptop: /etc/network/interfaces .. man interfaces |
| 01:58.37 | azeem | even if you don't need them |
| 01:58.45 | kaos_nk | Er, why do I need to bloat up my system if I never use x? |
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| 01:59.06 | azeem | kaos_nk: I said x libraries |
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| 01:59.10 | azeem | not x |
| 01:59.31 | kaos_nk | hmm, I don't really need those, either |
| 01:59.37 | elmo40 | besides, mplayer only runs in X, doesnt it? What do you use other then X? |
| 01:59.41 | azeem | well, mplayer is linked against them |
| 01:59.46 | azeem | it won't run without them |
| 01:59.47 | kaos_nk | elmo40: I use the command line |
| 02:00.01 | elmo40 | then you dont need mplayer. |
| 02:00.02 | kaos_nk | azeem: linked in debian, or what? I can't compile it myself without x? |
| 02:00.07 | kaos_nk | elmo40: how come? |
| 02:00.12 | azeem | kaos_nk: eh, sure you can |
| 02:00.24 | azeem | kaos_nk: but you said "I want to install with apt-get" |
| 02:00.28 | azeem | so we're discussin ghtat |
| 02:00.28 | overnout | elmo40: mplayer runs in the console also |
| 02:00.29 | Alam_Debian | you can use mplayer's other video outputs |
| 02:00.29 | elmo40 | it uses X for video display. |
| 02:00.30 | azeem | that* |
| 02:00.33 | kaos_nk | azeem: well, problem solved, I just didn't want to bypass dpkg, as I hate to do it |
| 02:00.39 | kaos_nk | elmo40: works for fb, too |
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| 02:00.57 | azeem | you can rebuild the mplayer source package with your modifications |
| 02:00.57 | elmo40 | i see |
| 02:00.57 | Alam_Debian | mplayer -vo help |
| 02:01.05 | elmo40 | just like links2 ? |
| 02:01.10 | kaos_nk | yup |
| 02:01.13 | elmo40 | k |
| 02:01.15 | elmo40 | good to know |
| 02:01.30 | kaos_nk | azeem: yeah, I just hate turning my system into a construction site :P |
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| 02:01.43 | azeem | kaos_nk: well, you can't have it all |
| 02:01.49 | kaos_nk | azeem: true :P |
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| 02:01.58 | azeem | if you hate to waste those few megs of disk space for the X libs |
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| 02:02.20 | azeem | go ahead and install a much bigger devel environment |
| 02:02.25 | kaos_nk | It's just quite an old laptop. |
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| 02:03.03 | elmo40 | kaos_nk: so no X? Very limiting, no? |
| 02:03.21 | kaos_nk | elmo40: for my purposes, it's enough. I use X on the other computer |
| 02:03.30 | azeem | and it can play video fine? |
| 02:03.37 | kaos_nk | azeem: xless, yeah |
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| 02:03.43 | azeem | xless? |
| 02:03.45 | azeem | ah |
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| 02:04.06 | hello__ | i hate nerds |
| 02:04.13 | elmo40 | hello__: goodbye |
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| 02:04.25 | elmo40 | nerds make the world go round! |
| 02:04.31 | elmo40 | kaos_nk: what laptop? |
| 02:04.34 | azeem | elmo40: please don't feed the trolls |
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| 02:04.49 | kaos_nk | elmo: vaio, pcg-z600ne |
| 02:04.59 | kaos_nk | nifty piece of technology |
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| 02:05.19 | kaos_nk | to tihnk they sold laptops in 2000 with wlan cards build-in... |
| 02:05.28 | elmo40 | they did? |
| 02:05.33 | elmo40 | wifi-b ? |
| 02:05.40 | Insolit | is there a way to recover bad blocks? |
| 02:05.42 | kaos_nk | yeah, but that laptop was highend during its time |
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| 02:05.47 | Insolit | or a bad block is always a bad block? |
| 02:06.07 | overnout | a bad block is bad |
| 02:06.07 | hello__ | i hate torvalds |
| 02:06.11 | cast | physical issue, its bad |
| 02:06.13 | hello__ | i hate linus torvalds |
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| 02:06.26 | overnout | hello__: you can leave now |
| 02:06.26 | azeem | hello__: do you have a Debian question? |
| 02:06.29 | gravity | hello__: Theo, is that you? |
| 02:06.46 | hello__ | i'm not theo |
| 02:06.49 | kaos_nk | elmo40, in my expeirence, there are quite a few nice ncurses-based programmes that replace unnecessarily memory-intensive x-programmes |
| 02:06.56 | kaos_nk | experience* |
| 02:07.04 | Insolit | what program can i use for a low level format? |
| 02:07.06 | elmo40 | kaos_nk: i absolutely agree! |
| 02:07.15 | azeem | Insolit: why do you need that? |
| 02:07.27 | kaos_nk | elmo40: look into mp3blaster, it rocks |
| 02:07.31 | Insolit | it seems it might recover bad blocks |
| 02:07.34 | cast | Insolit: i think what one does is scan with badblocks, and feed that imput into mkfs |
| 02:07.53 | Insolit | well but i'd like to try to recover the disk |
| 02:07.53 | elmo40 | kaos_nk: nload, darkstat, driftnet ;) |
| 02:07.55 | hello__ | sucks to have no life |
| 02:08.02 | elmo40 | kaos_nk: use it already :) |
| 02:08.05 | Insolit | and seems low level formats might save the disk |
| 02:08.05 | overnout | if a bad block is really bad ...then a low level format cant save you unless the application can go around the blocks |
| 02:08.10 | kaos_nk | hmpf, never heard of those, I'll look into it |
| 02:08.54 | elmo40 | driftnet is nice... for wifi people, mainly. While in a internet cafe :) See what others are looking at (images) |
| 02:09.05 | kaos_nk | lol. |
| 02:09.17 | kaos_nk | you have interesting fields of interest. |
| 02:10.10 | kaos_nk | any rate, the only thing I'm missing dearly on the command-line is a good browse. elinks is good (and certainly the most non stone-age one), but it's still quite primitive |
| 02:10.17 | kaos_nk | +r |
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| 02:10.39 | elmo40 | kaos_nk: links2 with -g flag. |
| 02:10.46 | elmo40 | nice 'gui' ;) |
| 02:11.03 | kaos_nk | thing is, I don't even need graphical modus, i.e. links2 -g, I just need a good text browser which case read css |
| 02:11.04 | elmo40 | and you can compile it with ssl to read hotmail/yahoo and such. |
| 02:11.10 | kaos_nk | hmm |
| 02:11.24 | kaos_nk | case=can |
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| 02:11.38 | elmo40 | even handles minimal javascript, very good tabling functions (css support, i guess) |
| 02:11.54 | kaos_nk | links2 -g is a weird compromise, maybe if there was a gecko-based broswer with fb capabilities I could start from the console |
| 02:11.54 | brian994 | DCC SEND "itsabeautifuldaythesunisshiningifeelgoodnobodyisgoingtoletmedown" 0 0 0 0 0 |
| 02:12.26 | elmo40 | kaos_nk: until you try links2, dont look for anything else ;) |
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| 02:12.45 | kaos_nk | I don't think making a 'command-line' based graphical browser based on the gecko engine is such a bad idea, but I'm too lazy or unskilled to be able to do it myself |
| 02:12.55 | kaos_nk | eh, I've tried links2 long enough, it certainly has its quirks |
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| 02:13.41 | kaos_nk | the only semi up-to-date one is elinks, with tabbed browsing and several other features |
| 02:13.58 | kaos_nk | and some primitive colour scheme |
| 02:14.18 | elmo40 | kaos_nk: http://pupnik.de/links2.html |
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| 02:14.51 | elmo40 | tabbed browsing is nice... links2 *should* be able to do that. |
| 02:15.21 | kaos_nk | yes |
| 02:15.45 | elmo40 | then you can work on that :) instead of a gecko browser. |
| 02:16.39 | kaos_nk | if I pulled myself together for that purpose I'd very much like to do a either a text-based browser which can process css or a links2 with gecko |
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| 02:18.21 | kaos_nk | er, I totally forgot all the weechat commands |
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| 02:21.02 | elmo40 | people still use weechat? ;) |
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| 02:21.06 | elmo40 | no irssi? |
| 02:21.49 | kaos_nk | irssi isn't bad, but I like the knowing who's in the channel, too |
| 02:22.00 | kaos_nk | weechat is cute |
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| 02:25.13 | kaos_nk | eh, I finally understand why gentoo wants me to create a separate boot partition, a bit retarded |
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| 02:27.34 | ccfreak2k|laptop | Is it possible to run a program in a jail with glibc 2.1 in Etch? |
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| 02:32.06 | lolitron | ccfreak2k|laptop hello |
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| 02:32.46 | Samonoske | i just installed fluxbox how do i execute it? |
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| 02:33.31 | overnout | echo "exec startfluxbox" > ~/.xinitrc |
| 02:33.33 | overnout | and then |
| 02:33.34 | overnout | startx |
| 02:33.55 | Olhe | !quit |
| 02:33.55 | dpkg | try /quit |
| 02:35.22 | Samonoske | overnout that didn't work |
| 02:35.30 | Samonoske | that first part did but startx didn't |
| 02:35.38 | lolitron | do you have xorg installed? |
| 02:36.24 | Samonoske | nope should i do an apt-get install xorg or apt-get xserer-xorg-core |
| 02:36.32 | lolitron | apt-get install xorg |
| 02:36.37 | Samonoske | kk holdon |
| 02:36.42 | RickyWh | is 3gb of diskspace plenty for an install of debian etch minimal install and basically only for testing and learning linux? |
| 02:36.52 | elmo40 | kinda... |
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| 02:37.00 | overnout | ... or if you have xorg already installed then you should stop it first |
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| 02:37.18 | Samonoske | overnout i don't think i do... |
| 02:37.23 | Samonoske | it's installing it |
| 02:37.25 | elmo40 | Samonoske: how did you install fluxbox withought X ? Did you apt-get install fluxbox? It isnt dependent on X libs? |
| 02:37.29 | n3kl | I have a subversion server working with apache and webdav, but... what the hell is webdav? |
| 02:37.30 | Caelum | RickyWh: I wouldn't limit myself that way. Maybe at least 10 |
| 02:37.40 | RickyWh | Lets say that the default Debian etch install of BIND9 is a slightly outdated version and I wanted to remove it, I would do apt-get remove bind9, then what? |
| 02:37.41 | overnout | you dont have a graphical display installed already right? |
| 02:37.43 | Samonoske | elmo40 i just typed apt-get install fluxbox |
| 02:37.54 | elmo40 | Samonoske: what are you in right now? |
| 02:38.02 | Samonoske | what do you mean? |
| 02:38.08 | gravity | elmo40: You can have the X libs without the X server |
| 02:38.22 | overnout | are you using a black console ...? |
| 02:38.29 | elmo40 | gravity: true... keep forgeting that part ;) |
| 02:38.36 | Samonoske | yes i was...after i installed xorg and the startx it worked |
| 02:38.46 | Samonoske | at first i was getting an xserver error |
| 02:39.29 | overnout | you have to logout first then |
| 02:40.32 | Samonoske | what |
| 02:40.38 | Samonoske | i'm in the fluxbox GUI now |
| 02:40.51 | overnout | fluxbox is a windowmanager |
| 02:41.03 | Samonoske | oops sorrys |
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| 02:41.38 | techrush | mmmm fluxbox |
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| 02:42.10 | Samonoske | i have iceweasel/firefox installed bbl..going to change computers |
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| 02:46.12 | enn | Hello ... I've installed lenny as a server install, but want to enable sound. What packages do I need? |
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| 02:47.37 | bucky | !alsa one liner |
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| 02:48.19 | Gun_Smoke | Just had my first issue (maybe) with sid.. Just logged in (less than a min ago) and the mouse cursor was haveing a seizure until I clicked on Applications? Bug worthy? Anyone else? |
| 02:49.12 | bucky | enn, run alsaconf |
| 02:49.21 | bucky | !tell enn about alsa install |
| 02:49.49 | Wyzard | Gun_Smoke: If you can document how to reproduce the problem, and make sure it isn't just a broken mouse, report it |
| 02:50.07 | Wyzard | Gun_Smoke: If it's just something that happened once and nobody else will be able to figure out how to make it happen again, don't bother |
| 02:50.07 | bucky | Gun_Smoke, probable been reported already did you check? |
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| 02:52.18 | vipersniper | does apache have an issue with files over 2.gg |
| 02:52.25 | Wyzard | vipersniper: no |
| 02:52.31 | vipersniper | Apache/2.2.6 (Debian |
| 02:52.47 | vipersniper | wierd |
| 02:52.51 | Wyzard | I've downloaded a >2GB file from etch's apache2 |
| 02:52.51 | vipersniper | mine is |
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| 02:53.08 | Wyzard | and discovered in the process that IE7 doesn't support downloads that big |
| 02:53.18 | vipersniper | lol |
| 02:53.24 | vipersniper | thats the problem |
| 02:53.36 | vipersniper | so i need firefox |
| 02:53.41 | vipersniper | on windows |
| 02:53.49 | Wyzard | It sees the big size in the HTTP header, right up front, and aborts immediately |
| 02:53.54 | Wyzard | yeah, that's what I did |
| 02:54.02 | vipersniper | thanks |
| 02:54.18 | Wyzard | though I also found that Firefox on Windows doesn't empty its receive buffer as quickly as it should, so it gets nowhere near full throughput on a gigabit LAN |
| 02:54.21 | Gun_Smoke | Wyzard: I've only logged in once since the upgrade, I'll see if it happens again tomorrow.. |
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| 02:54.35 | Wyzard | (IE7 on Windows and Firefox on Debian both have no problem with download throughput) |
| 02:54.51 | Gun_Smoke | bucky: I haven't looked into it yet.. I was headed here.. I'll get around to it. |
| 02:55.47 | bucky | welcome to Sid land |
| 02:55.57 | kaos_nk | Sid ain't bad, imho |
| 02:56.25 | bucky | sid doens't play well with others |
| 02:56.30 | bucky | off and on |
| 02:57.40 | Gun_Smoke | I'm not scared of sid.. I'm actully looking forward to running into said problems.. The system that I have here at home isn't increadibly important and I have my perfect etch system backed up.. Be glad to go pest hunting for the community. |
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| 02:57.57 | cj | help. http://lists.debian.org/debian-mentors/2007/11/msg00368.html |
| 02:58.29 | kaos_nk | what's there to be 'scared' of a conept, Gun_Smoke? |
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| 02:58.36 | kaos_nk | concept* |
| 02:59.41 | bucky | Gun_Smoke, is your mouse driver protocol correct in xorg.conf? |
| 02:59.53 | bucky | i.e. IMPS/2 or such? |
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| 03:00.18 | Gun_Smoke | kaos_nk: Well It seems to be implied that sid is for only the dev's and people who live on the edge.. I'm neither.. I can figure out how to fix it or wait, so I decided to run sid.. Un afriad of it breaking things. |
| 03:00.46 | Wyzard | Gun_Smoke: Running sid can be pretty educational too |
| 03:01.02 | Gun_Smoke | Wyzard: It has been. |
| 03:01.12 | esaym | what are the open sourced video formats? only xvid and ogg? |
| 03:01.23 | Wyzard | Gun_Smoke: and major breakage is rare, though minor things pop up from time to time |
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| 03:01.43 | Samonoske | hola |
| 03:01.53 | Gun_Smoke | Wyzard: I was pretty surprised the upgrade went flawless. |
| 03:02.04 | Wyzard | esaym: XviD is MPEG-4, which I think is patented, so it might not be legally free to use depending on where you live |
| 03:02.13 | Gun_Smoke | I went in order, etch>lenny>sid.. |
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| 03:02.47 | Wyzard | esaym: There's a video codec called Theora which is patent-free, from the same people who made the Vorbis audio codec and the Ogg container, but I don't know how good it is |
| 03:02.54 | kaos_nk | Gun_Smoke: I can't stand having an outdated system, I started by moving to lenny, but found many packages are missing there, so I just moved to sid. I didn't have any significant problems with it that I oculdn't solve |
| 03:03.23 | esaym | well that is just terrible! |
| 03:03.41 | esaym | why only big bully companies make codec formats? |
| 03:03.44 | Gun_Smoke | I actually only started looking into sid hoping that rTorrent would have DHT support from there.. I haven't even looked into that yet.. Hope it does.. |
| 03:04.04 | kaos_nk | at doubt, you can compile, though I hate doing it |
| 03:05.07 | Wyzard | esaym: Most people just ignore the patent issue and use MPEG-4 or h.264 |
| 03:05.58 | Gun_Smoke | Well from what I understand someone has pulled off a deb for the slug arm, but doesn't do much for me, and the only other way it to patch the latest version and I have no idea how to do that. The site I found was explained in lingo I don't yet follow.. So it wasn't much help to me. Google give squat back and there are exactly ZERO hits for rtorrent+DHT on the forums.. So I have to wait I guess. |
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| 03:06.21 | Olhe | !leave |
| 03:06.52 | Olhe | !quit |
| 03:06.52 | dpkg | try /quit |
| 03:07.14 | liable | Olhe: play with the bot in /msg if you must |
| 03:07.29 | Olhe | Ouch, |
| 03:07.30 | Olhe | ok |
| 03:07.50 | bucky | he must have joined #msg |
| 03:07.57 | Gun_Smoke | lol |
| 03:07.59 | liable | heh |
| 03:09.41 | Gun_Smoke | I do think VMware is done with the sid upgrade.. bummer. |
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| 03:10.06 | Wyzard | Gun_Smoke: VMware Workstation 6 works fine in sid... I use it regularly |
| 03:10.50 | Gun_Smoke | I had VMware Server.. Don't remember which version.. Worked flawless in etch.. That technology blew me away.. Crazy.. |
| 03:11.15 | Wyzard | Gun_Smoke: VMware Server was released less recently, so it probably needs the vmware-any-any patch to work with recent kernels |
| 03:12.03 | Gun_Smoke | I'll have to look into it tomorrow.. The Dewars need more attention than that.. :D |
| 03:12.09 | Wyzard | http://knihovny.cvut.cz/ftp/pub/vmware/ -- get vmware-any-any-update115.tar.gz from there |
| 03:12.19 | Wyzard | You might also be interested in sid's "vmware-package" package |
| 03:12.36 | Wyzard | It builds .debs from the tarballs |
| 03:12.39 | Samonoske | do you guys know of anygood desktops or windows managers besides fluxbox that are good for noobs? |
| 03:12.47 | Gun_Smoke | nope |
| 03:13.00 | Wyzard | Samonoske: GNOME, KDE, and XFCE are the major desktop environments |
| 03:13.29 | Gun_Smoke | Samonoske: Unless your really lacking ram why? |
| 03:13.32 | Samonoske | should i just use apt-get install kde ..?to get kde? |
| 03:13.48 | Samonoske | naw Gun_Smoke i have lots of ram |
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| 03:14.22 | elmo40 | Samonoske: ever try Enlightenment? |
| 03:14.22 | Gun_Smoke | go with KDE or gnome then.. And what are you on now? |
| 03:14.32 | Samonoske | fluxbox |
| 03:14.37 | elmo40 | Gun_Smoke: he is on flux |
| 03:14.39 | Gun_Smoke | ah |
| 03:15.08 | Samonoske | after i get kde how do i apply it? |
| 03:15.23 | Samonoske | elmo40; i've heard of enlightenment but i've never tried it |
| 03:15.42 | Gun_Smoke | login window, choose it. |
| 03:16.11 | Gun_Smoke | Sessions.. Choose KDE |
| 03:16.29 | Samonoske | kk..i'm downloading it now..wow its big |
| 03:16.40 | Gun_Smoke | few hundred. |
| 03:17.01 | Samonoske | i thought that konqueror was big when i was getting it |
| 03:17.18 | Gun_Smoke | Wyzard: Thanks for the link.. I've bookmarked it for the AM. |
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| 03:18.38 | Samonoske | Gun_Smoke what are the actual commands that i enter to apply kde? |
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| 03:20.51 | Gun_Smoke | uhh.. what did you do apt-get install kde? |
| 03:21.30 | Gun_Smoke | or 'apt-get install kde-desktop' rather? |
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| 03:21.37 | Gun_Smoke | Samonoske: ^^ |
| 03:21.45 | Samonoske | so uh-oh |
| 03:21.48 | Samonoske | i did apt-get kde |
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| 03:22.13 | Samonoske | was that wrong? |
| 03:22.26 | kaos_nk | ugh, kde :D |
| 03:22.27 | Gun_Smoke | Don't know 100% but wont hurt.. |
| 03:22.37 | Gun_Smoke | hold on. |
| 03:22.45 | Samonoske | k |
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| 03:24.45 | Msh100 | I think I have 2 hdds, but not in raid, how would I check this in console? |
| 03:25.06 | Gun_Smoke | Samonoske: looks like you'll be alright.. Log out, then choose session, choose KDE and log back in.. Come back and let me know. |
| 03:25.20 | Samonoske | kk |
| 03:25.29 | Gun_Smoke | I just did 'apt-get -s install kde' |
| 03:25.34 | Gun_Smoke | looks fine |
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| 03:25.52 | Samonoske | welp i am only at 53% going to get some food |
| 03:25.55 | Samonoske | thanks for the help |
| 03:26.01 | Gun_Smoke | np |
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| 03:33.13 | Samonoske | Gun_Smoke how do you login..i forgot |
| 03:33.13 | lolitron | what can i use for monitoring bandwidth usage? |
| 03:33.15 | lolitron | like currently |
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| 03:33.43 | n3kl | lolitron: iftop, vnstat |
| 03:33.51 | lolitron | kay, thanks. |
| 03:33.51 | streuner | 8iptraf |
| 03:34.15 | streuner | iiptraf |
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| 03:34.27 | Gun_Smoke | Samonoske: ? kidding? |
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| 03:34.53 | Samonoske | no |
| 03:35.07 | Samonoske | i just recently returned to freenode about a week ago |
| 03:35.24 | Gun_Smoke | Samonoske: you mean linux? |
| 03:35.32 | cusco | /nickserv identify password |
| 03:36.11 | Samonoske | naw i was talking bout freenode..thanks cusco |
| 03:36.14 | Gun_Smoke | cusco: oh yeah that.. I |
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| 03:36.26 | Samonoske | i have it downloaded now |
| 03:36.31 | cusco | :)) cheerio |
| 03:36.34 | Samonoske | and unpacked |
| 03:36.56 | Gun_Smoke | Samonoske: Cool.. if it's all done log out and come back.. What do you use for IRC now? |
| 03:37.43 | Samonoske | i'm using chatzilla atm..but eventually i'm going to get mIRC... |
| 03:37.49 | Gun_Smoke | NOOOO |
| 03:38.00 | Samonoske | should i get xchat? |
| 03:38.04 | Samonoske | or what? |
| 03:38.40 | Gun_Smoke | well.. irssi, Pidgin, Gaim, bitchx, or xchat would be at the top of my list. |
| 03:38.57 | cusco | anyone you like |
| 03:39.06 | Gun_Smoke | Leave that m stuff for the M crowd. |
| 03:39.25 | cusco | lol |
| 03:39.26 | Samonoske | kk..lol...i didn't really like xchat... |
| 03:39.29 | Msh100 | Gotta love mIRC xD |
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| 03:39.39 | Samonoske | i'll give irris or bitchx a try |
| 03:39.44 | Samonoske | irssi* |
| 03:39.51 | lolitron | mIRC with nnscript is quite good. |
| 03:39.51 | Samonoske | how do you log out? |
| 03:39.57 | cusco | try kvirc |
| 03:40.03 | cusco | /quit |
| 03:40.03 | Msh100 | No, mIRC is **** |
| 03:40.14 | Msh100 | :P |
| 03:40.19 | Gun_Smoke | right click isn't it? been a long time since I've used flux. |
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| 03:40.32 | Gun_Smoke | right click>quit |
| 03:40.34 | cusco | lolitron: nooo mirc with kall's eXtreme is better haha |
| 03:40.41 | lolitron | :O |
| 03:41.17 | streuner | lol, telnet is best, lol |
| 03:41.23 | Gun_Smoke | Crap, I forgot to have him install KDM.. oops. |
| 03:41.28 | cusco | I thougt about that streuner |
| 03:41.31 | cusco | it was extreme :p |
| 03:42.49 | Gun_Smoke | anyone know if he will be screwed without KDM? |
| 03:43.27 | Gun_Smoke | he's probably sitting at a blank terminal now going wtf? |
| 03:43.32 | Gun_Smoke | he |
| 03:44.09 | Msh100 | xD |
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| 03:44.54 | alaya | Gun_Smoke: if he install kde metapackage then should have kdm |
| 03:45.12 | Gun_Smoke | alaya: he just did apt-get install kde |
| 03:45.20 | alaya | Gun_Smoke: then its ok |
| 03:45.30 | Gun_Smoke | good. |
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| 03:46.13 | alaya | apt-cache showpkg kdm -> shows it reverse-depends on kdebase which reverse-depends on kde |
| 03:46.16 | lhadji | if x stuffs up and you have kdm loading up at boot, is there no way to boot up without kdm to fix? |
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| 03:46.46 | techrush | it will just dump you to a terminal lhadji |
| 03:46.57 | techrush | and also let you take a look at your x error logs |
| 03:47.18 | lhadji | techrush, oh, handy :) i was scared of using kdm because of not being able to recover from mucking around with xorg |
| 03:47.29 | techrush | its not an issue |
| 03:47.38 | alaya | lhadji: yes, what i do is use a tool like sysv-rc-conf and turn off kdm on runlevels 2 and 3, then change default in inittab to 3, or else pass init=3 option to kernel at boot |
| 03:48.02 | techrush | just letting kdm dump you out is easier |
| 03:48.11 | techrush | but that is a good solution if you ever need it |
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| 03:48.38 | Samonoske | oops... |
| 03:48.40 | Gun_Smoke | Samonoske: Welcome back. |
| 03:48.44 | Gun_Smoke | what did you do? |
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| 03:48.52 | lhadji | thanks alaya |
| 03:48.53 | Samonoske | Gun_Smoke i did what you said inadvertly and it kind of through me off completely |
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| 03:49.03 | Gun_Smoke | Samonoske: How |
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| 03:49.29 | Gun_Smoke | Samonoske: You in KDE? |
| 03:49.38 | alaya | FWIW, i usually like to have runlevel 2 as a bare-minimum, 3 as normal with no X, and 4 & 5 normal with X |
| 03:49.46 | cast | whats up with linux-kernel-headers vs. linux-headers-2.6...? |
| 03:49.48 | Samonoske | i clicked desktop two...i don't know how to get back to graphical once out of it....but then i just entered logout...then i entered startx |
| 03:49.52 | Samonoske | kde started up |
| 03:50.00 | pabix | Hello again... I have an incomplete core dump and cannot find missing packages: http://rafb.net/p/WgGhju13.html |
| 03:50.04 | Samonoske | i'm was trying to come back to fluxbox |
| 03:50.12 | streuner | hm |
| 03:50.32 | Samonoske | but the only problem i'm having is all the stuff i installed in fluxbox isn't in kde..i need to get rid of it so it doesn't waste my partition |
| 03:50.58 | Gun_Smoke | Samonoske: Actually if you were to log out now, I bet you'd get to what I was talking about.. GIve it a shot if you'd like.. You'll be able to chose between the two. |
| 03:51.11 | Gun_Smoke | Sesions I mean/ |
| 03:51.26 | Samonoske | how do i get back to the graphical interface... |
| 03:51.43 | Gun_Smoke | Where are you now? KDE right? |
| 03:52.11 | Samonoske | yes |
| 03:53.11 | Gun_Smoke | Well you can click your way to success.. I forget where it's at in K, ANYONE want to chime in.. But you can <ctrl>+<alt>+<backspace> to kill x for now. |
| 03:53.15 | cast | ahh, i fixed my can't compile ecryptfs issue on etch, using 2.6.22, by removing the linux-kernel-headers package |
| 03:53.19 | Gun_Smoke | not kill restart. |
| 03:53.39 | cast | i lied, i only fixed one error :| |
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| 03:54.39 | Samonoske | i shouldn't be so hasty..lol |
| 03:56.29 | Gun_Smoke | work or what? |
| 03:56.57 | Samonoske | welp CTRL+ALT+backspace killed X |
| 03:57.01 | Samonoske | as you said |
| 03:57.05 | Gun_Smoke | hehe.. it does that. |
| 03:57.10 | Samonoske | but i couldn't get back to my session |
| 03:57.33 | Gun_Smoke | should have brought you to login windo. |
| 03:57.38 | Samonoske | yes |
| 03:58.19 | Gun_Smoke | and it should be pretty.. and have a few things you can do, actions sessions and something else.. I forget.. |
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| 03:58.41 | Samonoske | lol.... |
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| 03:58.51 | Gun_Smoke | Did you get just a regular black login screen? |
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| 03:59.09 | Samonoske | thats why i stay away from CTRL-ALT +F1 or something....unless i screw up |
| 03:59.15 | Samonoske | yea i just got a black screen |
| 04:00.21 | Gun_Smoke | Should have.. If I do what I told you I get a nice pretty login screen.. How about we try 'apt-get install kdm' |
| 04:00.34 | Gun_Smoke | That's the login manager for KDE |
| 04:01.00 | Samonoske | kk |
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| 04:01.08 | Samonoske | do i need that? |
| 04:01.15 | Clinton__ | Does anyone have any experience with rtorrent here? |
| 04:01.27 | Gun_Smoke | Clinton__: A little whats up? |
| 04:01.53 | Gun_Smoke | Samonoske: Won't hurt.. |
| 04:02.10 | Samonoske | kk |
| 04:02.42 | Clinton__ | Gun_Smoke: I'm looking at dozens of examples for setting up rtorrent, and yet when I implement the same I get errors such as "variable on_finished does not exist" |
| 04:03.17 | Clinton__ | I can't seem to find diddly squat on documentation for schedule events either.. rtorrent has got to be very poorly documented... |
| 04:03.18 | Gun_Smoke | Clinton__: What are you trying to set up? Ratio? Dir's? |
| 04:03.38 | Gun_Smoke | Clinton__: No way.. probably the best wiki I've seen.. |
| 04:03.43 | Clinton__ | Dir's, I have it setup already for a watch dir, inprogress dir, now I'm just trying to have completed torrents moved to a finished directory |
| 04:03.43 | Gun_Smoke | hold on. |
| 04:04.36 | Gun_Smoke | Clinton__: This will get you rolling, http://kmandla.wordpress.com/2007/05/02/howto-use-rtorrent-like-a-pro/ |
| 04:05.00 | Clinton__ | that's one of the pages I'm referencing |
| 04:05.27 | Gun_Smoke | This will get you farther. http://libtorrent.rakshasa.no/wiki/RTorrentCommonTasks |
| 04:05.30 | Clinton__ | it doesn't specify documentation on schedule events |
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| 04:05.53 | Clinton__ | that's another one I'm also referencing. it has the same lack of documentation for schedule events |
| 04:06.16 | Gun_Smoke | and this will finish the job. http://libtorrent.rakshasa.no/rtorrent/rtorrent.1.html |
| 04:06.31 | Clinton__ | that's the man page, which also lacks documentation on schedule events |
| 04:06.39 | Clinton__ | trust me, I've been looking for well over an hour now |
| 04:07.03 | Clinton__ | Take this line for example: |
| 04:07.06 | Clinton__ | schedule = watch_directory,10,10,load_start=~/Download/watch/*.torrent |
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| 04:07.15 | Samonoske | http://www.kde-look.org/content/show.php/NanoTeK+-+Domino?content=67820 anyone know how i' |
| 04:07.20 | Samonoske | i'd download that? |
| 04:07.31 | Clinton__ | that is from the FAQ, so we have a schedule type of watch_directory, what exactly is this schedule type, where can I find documentation on it? etc. etc. etc. What are other schedule types? |
| 04:07.34 | jnguy | Hey. Do you guys know the name of the app that prompts you for your ssh-agent password. I think its part of gnome. |
| 04:09.01 | petemc | jnguy: gnome keyring |
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| 04:09.18 | Clinton__ | Gun_Smoke: do you see my dilemna? |
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| 04:09.48 | petemc | Clinton__: you've tried a backported package of rtorrent? |
| 04:10.35 | Gun_Smoke | petemc: do you know if the backported package supports DHT? |
| 04:10.43 | petemc | i do not |
| 04:10.53 | Clinton__ | I'm running version 0.6.4-1 from the stable repos |
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| 04:11.02 | petemc | i dont do torrents |
| 04:11.08 | Gun_Smoke | Clinton__: I do.. But I swear I have ran across the solution.. It's not very slick.. But it does work. |
| 04:11.20 | Gun_Smoke | Clinton__: I'm still looking. |
| 04:11.32 | Clinton__ | It isn't in any of the pages you listed already, and I've looked at many many others and haven't found it. |
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| 04:12.14 | Gun_Smoke | Last week I spent a day or two looking for DHT support.. I ran across it then.. I'll find it give me a min or two. |
| 04:12.18 | grazz | is anybody familiar to the error "[pcie] Failed to gather memory of size..." using fglrx? |
| 04:12.31 | Clinton__ | k |
| 04:13.11 | Samonoske | Gun_Smoke what programs do you use to unzip tar.bz2 and regular tarballs |
| 04:13.45 | Clinton__ | Samonoske: you'd want bunzip and tar |
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| 04:14.31 | Samonoske | kk |
| 04:14.44 | Gun_Smoke | Samonoske: You're going to need to read up a bit more before you adventure further.. http://www.aboutdebian.com/linux.htm |
| 04:14.59 | Samonoske | thx |
| 04:15.00 | Gun_Smoke | It's a great read.. I still reference it. |
| 04:15.52 | Gun_Smoke | Samonoske: If you do truely read that and finish it.. You won't run into many problem you can not solve yourself. |
| 04:16.19 | Samonoske | okay..man thanks...think i'll read in the AM...gotta go to sleep ...thanks for your help |
| 04:16.27 | Gun_Smoke | Samonoske: Pay close attention to the basic section and then the compiling section. |
| 04:16.34 | Samonoske | kk |
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| 04:29.44 | Clinton__ | *sigh* it seems the current version is way beyond the version I have now |
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| 04:41.18 | Gun_Smoke | Clinton__: Yeah if you have it from etch then your way behind. |
| 04:41.36 | Gun_Smoke | I'll pastbin the newer .rtorrent.rc |
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| 04:43.33 | Clinton__ | well here goes nothing |
| 04:43.38 | Clinton__ | etch -> testing |
| 04:43.53 | Gun_Smoke | Clinton__: full upgrade? |
| 04:43.57 | Clinton__ | yup |
| 04:44.07 | Gun_Smoke | haha.. same dam reason I did.. rtorrent.. |
| 04:44.11 | Gun_Smoke | haha |
| 04:44.14 | Clinton__ | I'm not a big fan of mixing stable with testing |
| 04:44.17 | Gun_Smoke | I ended up in sid. |
| 04:44.34 | Gun_Smoke | But still no DHT support.. |
| 04:44.49 | Gun_Smoke | There is a line about scheduling.. here it is. |
| 04:45.13 | Gun_Smoke | !pastbin |
| 04:45.21 | Gun_Smoke | !pastebin |
| 04:45.21 | dpkg | Please don't paste anything into the channel; use a paste site instead, like: http://paste.lisp.org or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://pastebin.ca/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. --- Also ask me: <pastebin pipe> |
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| 04:45.39 | pabix | So nobody likes my paste? http://rafb.net/p/WgGhju13.html |
| 04:47.34 | Gun_Smoke | Clinton__: http://rafb.net/p/Pzje6d74.html But I have ran across a how to making rtorrent used bandwidth at night and the like.. I will find it. |
| 04:47.58 | Clinton__ | I saw those xamples |
| 04:48.28 | Clinton__ | I'm running this on a dedicated vps server so I'm not too worried about the bandwidth |
| 04:49.46 | Clinton__ | now for the fun, a reboot |
| 04:51.08 | Gun_Smoke | Clinton__: here is the whole thing.. I'll get the version if you'd like.. I believe it's one older than the latest.. http://rafb.net/p/HjRsLg89.html |
| 04:51.15 | Clinton__ | whew, it's back :) |
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| 04:55.39 | roxy_ | Hi, I just got a second pci video card and a second screen. Atm, I can see the card with lspci but nothing else. |
| 04:55.41 | n3kl | Are there significant benefits to running NFSv4? |
| 04:56.02 | Gun_Smoke | roxy_: Xorg? |
| 04:56.15 | roxy_ | What I want is to have the 2 screens behaving like 1 (being able to move app from 1 to the other) |
| 04:56.20 | roxy_ | Gun_Smoke: yes |
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| 04:56.36 | roxy_ | is xinerama still the best option ? |
| 04:56.46 | n3kl | roxy_: nvidia? try twinview. |
| 04:56.54 | Gun_Smoke | roxy_: I meant is it pulled together right or did you just plug and play? |
| 04:57.31 | roxy_ | Gun_Smoke: atm I only got 1 screen working |
| 04:57.53 | roxy_ | n3kl: I'll have a look |
| 04:57.56 | Gun_Smoke | roxy_: Sound's like xorg.conf stuff.. |
| 04:58.10 | Gun_Smoke | I have to get.. sorry.. |
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| 04:58.19 | roxy_ | Gun_Smoke: np, thanks |
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| 05:02.39 | roxy_ | n3kl: isn't twinview for 1 screen behaving like 2 ? (I want the opposite) |
| 05:02.57 | Wyzard | roxy_: No, it's for dual-head |
| 05:03.41 | roxy_ | Wyzard: thanks |
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| 05:04.20 | roxy_ | is there a specific debian twinview how-to ? |
| 05:05.51 | Wyzard | I doubt it... it's just xorg.conf settings, which aren't distro-specific |
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| 05:06.29 | roxy_ | Wyzard: on the gentoo how to it is written: TwinView is a configuration for two monitors connected to one card, |
| 05:06.46 | roxy_ | Can it works with 2 cards ? (I have a card for each screen) |
| 05:07.12 | jnguy | petemc: thanks. |
| 05:07.54 | petemc | no sweat |
| 05:08.03 | petemc | i cantg remember what for |
| 05:08.20 | grendal_prime | take the gratitude and run bro |
| 05:08.32 | petemc | and i cant remember how to scroll back on a mac |
| 05:08.35 | grendal_prime | get what ya can and give nothing back |
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| 05:09.14 | Claudio32m | how come when i ping my broadcast address i don't see my ips on my lan? |
| 05:10.04 | heatman | Hello. I am wondering if etch have an integrated app or tool which allows to interact with a NTFS partition; meaning that I can write, read, etc. on a NTFS system. |
| 05:10.22 | Wyzard | roxy_: don't think so |
| 05:10.36 | dondelelcaro | heatman: there are no "integrated" tools, but you can easily use ntfs-3g to do that. |
| 05:11.32 | Wyzard | roxy_: TwinView is for making two monitors on the same card act like a single monitor on that card -- one framebuffer |
| 05:11.58 | Wyzard | roxy_: For two separate video cards you'd need to use ordinary Xinerama |
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| 05:16.17 | streuner_ | hm |
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| 05:18.56 | DawnLight | where is the X's keyboard auto-repeat configured? |
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| 05:19.16 | dondelelcaro | DawnLight: in xset |
| 05:20.14 | martin_ | Good $tod, all! Which command sends VI to the background? |
| 05:20.49 | n3kl | Anyone know how stable NFSv4 is? |
| 05:20.53 | DawnLight | martin_: why do you want to send it to the background? |
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| 05:21.12 | martin_ | To use the terminal! |
| 05:21.14 | spanther | !wine |
| 05:21.14 | dpkg | well, wine is packaged in the 'wine' package. http://www.winehq.com/ or #winehq (irc.freenode.net). Stands for Wine Is Not an Emulator. A buggy alternative win32 API, or a tasty alcoholic beverage. |
| 05:21.35 | DawnLight | martin_: install screen and use that |
| 05:21.46 | DawnLight | martin_: find a screen HOWTO |
| 05:22.01 | n3kl | I love screen! |
| 05:22.02 | martin_ | I have screen, and i know how to use it! |
| 05:22.05 | spanther | anyone knows source for add inside of sources.list of wine for debian testing? want to let it install administrated by the package manager including updates etc. |
| 05:22.13 | martin_ | Everybody loves screen! :-) |
| 05:22.22 | wols_ | spanther: it's in testing |
| 05:22.38 | spanther | wols_: yes but not the newest 0.9.50 only .44 :-) |
| 05:22.43 | DawnLight | martin_: so why don't you just create another terminal in screen? |
| 05:23.27 | martin_ | Because I am certain that I once saw a command in VIM to do that... |
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| 05:24.01 | DawnLight | martin_: oh. i don't know, sorry |
| 05:24.19 | petemc | martin_: ! |
| 05:24.27 | martin_ | Thats okay. Thanks for the input, though! |
| 05:24.44 | cast | nacer: ctrk0z/. |
| 05:24.45 | martin_ | petemc: What? |
| 05:24.51 | cast | i mean...ctrl-z |
| 05:25.02 | spanther | wols_: i just wanted the newest one cause i thought it would be the best (at wine) cause it has the most fixes ? :-) |
| 05:25.31 | petemc | martin_: you can run shell commands in vim by prefixing them with an exclamation mark |
| 05:25.35 | martin_ | Why didn't I think of that before? |
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| 05:25.44 | martin_ | Yeah, I know! |
| 05:25.56 | martin_ | C-z works! |
| 05:26.10 | petemc | ctl z = suspend |
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| 05:26.44 | acu | where can I see the log from the boot ? |
| 05:26.44 | wols_ | spanther: that's not in debian. winehq.com has (broken) debs |
| 05:26.55 | martin_ | Thank you all very much for the help! |
| 05:27.04 | martin_ | And a mery christmas to you all! |
| 05:27.12 | spanther | wols_: ah i see :/ mh okay then i better wait but will the newer versions come inside of testing ? |
| 05:28.24 | DawnLight | any idea what might be turning my autorepeat off? |
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| 05:30.02 | RickyWh | is it necessary to run apt-get install ssh openssh-server // after a debian install, or just apt-get install ssh |
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| 05:30.14 | cast | i installed wine from the wine*.tar.gz to /usr/local/stow/wine-0.9.49, was pretty painless |
| 05:30.31 | acu | I enabled Lenny repositories but there are no updates since one week - is that OK? Also, though I installed Guidance (KDE-Guidance) I cannot see at Control Center - Disk and file systems? |
| 05:30.37 | DawnLight | RickyWh: what do you want to install? the server? |
| 05:30.51 | RickyWh | i want to enable remote access is all |
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| 05:31.45 | heatman | I am currently using k3b. However, its seems that I am unable to burn DVDs. Could someone help me with that? Here is what I get for error: http://www.pastebin.ca/803416 |
| 05:31.59 | wols_ | RickyWh: ssh |
| 05:32.17 | RickyWh | whats the diff betwen ssh and openssh-server ? |
| 05:32.19 | DawnLight | RickyWh: openssh-server is the right package. i suggest you use aptitude instead of apt-get. just type in aptitude with no parameters |
| 05:32.41 | RickyWh | what is aptitude? |
| 05:32.51 | DawnLight | !tell RickyWh about aptitude |
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| 05:34.47 | cast | DawnLight: probably better to tell people to run aptitude install openssh-server, ncurses gui puts lots of people off and confuses them as to how one normally uses aptitude imho |
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| 05:35.00 | RickyWh | Thanks. Is there a way for me to get aptitude to use the latest version of bind9 instead of that 9.2.3 version that apt-get install bind9 seems to use? |
| 05:35.28 | petemc | RickyWh: look for a backport |
| 05:35.41 | Wyzard | RickyWh: 9.3.4 seems to be the version of bind9 in etch |
| 05:35.53 | DawnLight | RickyWh: do you need the latest version? |
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| 05:36.31 | RickyWh | well, BIND 9.4.2 seems to be the latest version and all those exploits mentioned on the BIND ics main page say that 9.4.2 fixes them |
| 05:36.45 | RickyWh | So naturally, i'd prefer to use that version of BIND |
| 05:36.58 | Wyzard | RickyWh: The Debian security team backports security fixes to the version in Debian |
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| 05:37.13 | RickyWh | what is backport? |
| 05:37.22 | petemc | later versions of bind have some preferable changes |
| 05:37.30 | Wyzard | RickyWh: They release an updated version of 9.3.4 that fixes the security holes |
| 05:37.45 | Wyzard | without changing any of the other things that are different between 9.3.4 and 9.4.2 |
| 05:38.02 | RickyWh | well, i want to update my aptitude so it uses 9.4.2 still, is it easy? |
| 05:38.30 | Wyzard | RickyWh: sid has 9.4.2, but that's not supported by the security team |
| 05:38.35 | Wyzard | You're actually *more* at risk by using that |
| 05:38.37 | wols_ | RickyWh: if you don't find a backport: no |
| 05:38.49 | RickyWh | how do i find a backport? |
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| 05:39.02 | gamag | how can I create an .iso image from a CD in debian? |
| 05:39.04 | wols_ | RickyWh: also, etch has no 9.2.4.why do you run sarge? |
| 05:39.08 | Wyzard | Unless there's a specific feature in 9.4.2 that you need, that 9.3.4 lacks, the supported stable 9.3.4 is the best version to use |
| 05:39.10 | gamag | I want to copy a Cd to another CD which is bootable. |
| 05:39.15 | wols_ | gamag: dd the CDROM device |
| 05:39.35 | Wyzard | or use "readcd" from the cdrecord package |
| 05:40.19 | RickyWh | i'm using etch from about a month ago, has it been updated for 9.2.4 now? |
| 05:40.34 | Wyzard | RickyWh: (assuming you mean 9.4.2) no, and it never will be |
| 05:40.36 | DawnLight | RickyWh: debian isn't a latest-version distro |
| 05:40.52 | RickyWh | what distro is? |
| 05:40.52 | gamag | Wyzard: is it possible with dd also? |
| 05:40.52 | petemc | debian stable.. |
| 05:40.53 | wols_ | RickyWh: if your apt* tries to install 9.2.4 then you don't run etch |
| 05:40.54 | gravity | Unless you run unstable |
| 05:41.08 | Wyzard | RickyWh: The next release of Debian will have a newer version, but the version in etch is the version that will always be in etch |
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| 05:41.23 | RickyWh | wols_, no, my apt* install 9.3.2 when i use apt-get install bind9 |
| 05:41.33 | Wyzard | RickyWh: Otherwise, you'd have to worry about your configuration breaking (due to things possibly working slightly differently in the new version) when installing updates |
| 05:41.36 | acu | hey guys, does anyone know where are DEBIAN boot messages ? |
| 05:41.44 | heatman | I am currently using k3b. However, its seems that I am unable to burn DVDs. Could someone help me with that? Here is what I get for error: http://www.pastebin.ca/803416 |
| 05:41.47 | gamag | I can't see anything in the readcd man page to create an ISO image of a bootable CD? |
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| 05:42.20 | petemc | gamag: you can do that with cp or dd |
| 05:42.31 | wols_ | acu: where all the other logs are as well. same place |
| 05:42.35 | Wyzard | RickyWh: "stable" means "doesn't change" -- you install etch and configure it the way you want, and you can be confident that the updates won't change anything about how your configuration works |
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| 05:42.39 | streuner_ | heatman: hm, go into preferences, the app. is mentioned there... |
| 05:42.41 | Wyzard | RickyWh: updates fix bugs and nothing else |
| 05:42.48 | Wyzard | gamag: readcd dev=/dev/cdrom f=foo.iso |
| 05:43.23 | Wyzard | gamag: The fact that the CD is bootable is irrelevant; the boot info is part of the iso so reading the iso from the CD is no different than reading from any other CD |
| 05:43.24 | RickyWh | ahh ok, when you say updates you mean when doing an apt-get upgrade ? |
| 05:43.27 | acu | wols_: I will always remember that :) OK, so where exactly other logs are ? |
| 05:43.32 | Wyzard | RickyWh: yes |
| 05:44.06 | heatman | streuner, the problem is that when i try to burn a Dvd... it fails and i get the output as mentionned in the link |
| 05:44.09 | gamag | Wyzard: ok and what command should I use to burn the ISO back to the second CD? |
| 05:44.20 | Wyzard | RickyWh: That's why the security team backports fixes -- they fix the bugs in 9.3.4 and release an updated 9.3.4, so you can get the fixes without having to upgrade to 9.4.2 and possibly break your setup |
| 05:44.40 | h3xis | is there anyone here noticing that after the recent update of gstreamer rhythmbox makes popping sounds (no other application does) when playing music? |
| 05:44.51 | Wyzard | gamag: wodim (which used to be known as cdrecord) |
| 05:45.04 | gamag | yes, readcd has also become readom on my debian |
| 05:45.18 | RickyWh | Wyzard, ahh I see now |
| 05:45.22 | gamag | dd if=/dev/cdrom of=foo.iso would also do the same thing? |
| 05:45.26 | RickyWh | Whats the command to upgrade? |
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| 05:45.40 | Wyzard | gamag: yes, basically |
| 05:46.04 | Wyzard | gamag: Using "bs=2k" would get slightly better performance, since CD sectors are 2k |
| 05:46.09 | Wyzard | RickyWh: apt-get update; apt-get upgrade |
| 05:46.31 | gamag | Wyzard: I used to think CD iso's are some special compressed format. but if dd works, that means it just reads all the bytes and puts into an iso |
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| 05:46.40 | gamag | so .iso format is nothing byte all the bytes concatenated into file? |
| 05:46.58 | gamag | nothing but* |
| 05:46.59 | Wyzard | gamag: A data CD is just a block device consisting of a bunch of 2k sectors |
| 05:47.01 | dondelelcaro | gamag: it's slightly more than that. |
| 05:47.14 | petemc | gamag: is there a format that isnt just bytes? |
| 05:47.28 | Wyzard | gamag: The physical encoding on the disk surface is much more complex, but from the computer's perspective, that's all the CD is |
| 05:47.30 | dondelelcaro | well, if you mean, is an iso just the bits on the cd in a file, the answer is yes. |
| 05:48.10 | gamag | petemc: I mean what dd does, dd if=/dev/cdrom of=foo.iso would just read all the bytes of cdrom and write it into foo.iso unaltered. I used to think that .iso is a special format, more compressed, etc. |
| 05:48.22 | gamag | Wyzard: ok |
| 05:48.36 | streuner_ | heatman: is dvd+rw-tools installed? |
| 05:48.37 | petemc | gamag: i dont see how one contradicts the other |
| 05:48.49 | Wyzard | gamag: Audio tracks on a CD actually have a different format, btw, with sectors of 2352 bytes (that's 1/75 sec of audio) |
| 05:49.06 | gamag | petemc: if .iso is compressed, then the bytes in .iso won't match the byets in actual CD |
| 05:49.08 | heatman | streuner: i would believe so |
| 05:49.24 | gamag | Wyzard: ok |
| 05:49.27 | petemc | gamag: why not? |
| 05:49.29 | DawnLight | me and my sister have the same model/firmware-version cd/dvd recorder and we both run etch but her k3b reckognizes less 'write modes' for the drive then mine does and she gets errors while burning. what could be the cause of this mayhem? |
| 05:49.35 | gamag | petemc: because it is compressed. |
| 05:49.41 | heatman | streuner: yes latest version |
| 05:49.43 | streuner_ | heatman: so you have no problems with CDs to write, but only with DVDs? |
| 05:49.53 | gamag | petemc: I was assuming that .iso is a compressed format, not a plain copy of all the bytes into one file. |
| 05:49.53 | dondelelcaro | yeay for redbook |
| 05:49.55 | Wyzard | gamag: Data tracks have the same basic 2352-byte structure, but with 304 of the bytes used for additional error-correction data (since losing a few bits is more of a problem with computer data than audio) and the remaining 2048 bytes is for user data |
| 05:50.08 | petemc | gamag: you said that, is there a problem with duplicating compressed data? |
| 05:50.18 | heatman | streuner: for cds i use another drive, for dvd i use my BenQ and if fails every try |
| 05:50.35 | streuner_ | heatman: What does 'dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1' say? |
| 05:50.47 | gamag | petemc: no. I was asking is .iso format a byte for byte copy of the CD into one .iso file, or compressed(byte for byte copy) of the CD into .iso file. |
| 05:50.57 | RickyWh | is it safe to run an enterprise business on Debian etch? |
| 05:51.10 | dondelelcaro | RickyWh: yes |
| 05:51.31 | Wyzard | gamag: CDs don't have any built-in compression |
| 05:51.52 | Wyzard | gamag: You can put compressed files on one, of course, but the drive doesn't do any automatic compression or decompressing when reading and writing the disc |
| 05:52.03 | heatman | streuner: ii libc6 2.3.6.ds1-13etch2 GNU C Library: Shared libraries |
| 05:52.13 | Wyzard | gamag: and an .iso file is just a byte-for-byte copy of a data track |
| 05:52.14 | Daveman | Hello :) |
| 05:52.33 | heatman | streuner: I get same error while using other apts |
| 05:52.50 | heatman | streuner: applications* |
| 05:53.30 | streuner | heatman: did you try to write a CDRW with that DVD-Writer? |
| 05:53.48 | gamag | one last question. I have generated the .iso file, is there any noobie way in GNome using which I can right click the .iso and write it to blank CD or something? |
| 05:54.08 | heatman | streuner: no but i could try... however i had no problems running that burner in other distros... first time i get this |
| 05:54.10 | Wyzard | gamag: yes, open the "CD/DVD Creator" on the Places menu, and drag the .iso file into it |
| 05:54.32 | gamag | Wyzard: wouldn't it just write the .iso file instead of extracting the contents and writing it? |
| 05:54.48 | Wyzard | gamag: If you tell it to burn a CD whose only contents are an .iso file, it'll ask you whether you want to "create from files" or "create from image" |
| 05:55.05 | gamag | so, i'll select create from image. |
| 05:55.15 | Wyzard | gamag: "create from files" will give you a CD with a .iso file on it, but "create from image" will just burn the .iso directly, creating a duplicate of the original CD |
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| 05:55.41 | gamag | thanks! now I am no more pwned by CD operations on Debian. thanks a lot everyone. :-) |
| 05:55.59 | Wyzard | gamag: Note that it doesn't "extract the contents" of the .iso when burning... it just takes the bytes of the .iso and burns them byte-for-byte to a data track |
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| 05:56.27 | Wyzard | gamag: The "create from files" option, on the other hand, would effectively create a *new* .iso whose contents are your single .iso file, and burn *that* byte-for-byte to a data track |
| 05:56.28 | gamag | Wyzard: yeah, I now understand that after I learnt dd if= of= just works |
| 05:56.37 | gamag | yes |
| 05:56.53 | heatman | streuner: just tested and no problem burning simple cd in the burner |
| 05:57.08 | Wyzard | gamag: btw, there's also a burning app for GNOME called Brasero that you could take a look at |
| 05:57.22 | RickyWh | how can one use apt-get update and apt-get upgrade if the apt-get system is not supposed to be used anymore according to that aptitude wiki page |
| 05:57.52 | gamag | what is the advantage of readcd and wodim over dd? |
| 05:58.07 | Wyzard | RickyWh: You can upgrade with aptitude instead, and aptitude is indeed preferable, but apt-get does work |
| 05:58.32 | RickyWh | what are the superiororities in summary? |
| 05:59.03 | Wyzard | gamag: I'm not aware of any specific advantage of readcd over dd, aside from having the "-c2scan" option to scan the CD for errors rather than reading it to a file |
| 05:59.23 | Wyzard | gamag: but you can't burn a CD by writing to it with dd; you need something like wodim |
| 05:59.29 | dondelelcaro | RickyWh: better dependency resolution, interactive resolution of dependencies, support for automatically installed dependencies, drop in support for command line use, curses interface, search support, etc. |
| 05:59.55 | RickyWh | curses interface? |
| 06:00.20 | Wyzard | RickyWh: interactive mode |
| 06:00.28 | Wyzard | RickyWh: Run aptitude without any arguments |
| 06:00.28 | RickyWh | k |
| 06:00.43 | streuner | heatman: you could file a bugreport vs. dvd+rw-tools then |
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| 06:00.54 | dondelelcaro | RickyWh: http://images.google.com/images?q=aptitude+screenshot |
| 06:01.06 | heatman | streuner: kk might do that in the morning. ty |
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| 06:02.14 | RickyWh | Cool |
| 06:03.36 | RickyWh | is there a way for me to copy and paste 5 CLI commands that normall need to be pasted line by line |
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| 06:03.46 | RickyWh | into a block to be executed one after the other? |
| 06:03.58 | RickyWh | and if any interactions required it pauses to let me answer when required |
| 06:03.58 | dondelelcaro | RickyWh: paste them in a single line separated by ; or && depending on what you want. |
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| 06:04.53 | RickyWh | i'm following debian etch 'the perfect setup' guide at howtoforge following the smpt mail all kinds of mail encryption keys, loads of lines to paste into the CLI |
| 06:05.16 | dondelelcaro | RickyWh: are you going to be receiving mail at this machine? |
| 06:05.21 | tralala | RickyWh, it's called a script |
| 06:05.33 | DawnLight | me and my sister have the same model/firmware-version cd/dvd recorder and we both run etch but her k3b reckognizes less 'write modes' for the drive then mine does and she gets errors while burning. what could be the cause of this mayhem? Her drive seems to read ok. |
| 06:05.48 | Wyzard | DawnLight: Could be a broken drive |
| 06:05.56 | RickyWh | probably not initially, but i like following the tutorial so it can eventually get familiar |
| 06:05.56 | Wyzard | DawnLight: Swap drives to see if it's her drive or her computer |
| 06:06.16 | DawnLight | Wyzard: will do |
| 06:06.51 | DawnLight | anyknow knows how k3b determines a drives supported 'write modes'? |
| 06:07.07 | Wyzard | That info is reported by the drive itself, I believe |
| 06:07.20 | DawnLight | Wyzard: proc filesystem? |
| 06:07.32 | Wyzard | dunno if it'd be mentioned there |
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| 06:10.03 | streuner | oh, a new version of SeaMonkey :-) |
| 06:10.23 | Wyzard | DawnLight: Try "wodim -prcap" on your drive |
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| 06:11.42 | RickyWh | is there a better tutorial setup than howtoforges perfect setup? |
| 06:11.48 | streuner | there is a specific tool in Debian that reports that, but my "Alzheimer" is to bad... |
| 06:12.35 | acu | does anyone knows how to enable sys log (debian boot log) ? |
| 06:12.50 | petemc | acu: /etc/default/bootlog |
| 06:12.59 | petemc | perhaps with a d |
| 06:13.11 | petemc | suffixed |
| 06:13.19 | streuner | !info qpxtool |
| 06:13.47 | streuner | DawnLight: try this too ^^ |
| 06:14.17 | RickyWh | Anyone know what this line means when i restarted MySQL? Checking for corrupt, not cleanly closed and upgrade needing tables.. |
| 06:14.35 | dpkg | qpxtool: (CD/DVD quality checker), section otherosfs, is extra. Version: 0.6.1-2 (sid), Packaged size: 344 kB, Installed size: 1272 kB |
| 06:14.52 | DawnLight | Wyzard: it has different output |
| 06:15.09 | streuner | odd |
| 06:15.19 | Wyzard | RickyWh: Just what it says... it's checking the integrity of your tables |
| 06:15.24 | Wyzard | RickyWh: Think of it as fsck for your database |
| 06:15.35 | RickyWh | ahh ok, that isn't an error ? |
| 06:15.43 | Wyzard | no, it's normal |
| 06:15.53 | Wyzard | It said it's checking, not that it found any |
| 06:16.02 | RickyWh | k |
| 06:17.42 | RickyWh | Other destinations to accept mail for? (blank for none) <-- server1.yettabyte.net, localhost.yettabyte.net, localhost.localdomain, localhost // does this look like the right answer to this question?, i modified it |
| 06:17.59 | RickyWh | Postfix Configuration part of perfect setup for debian etch |
| 06:18.08 | streuner | DawnLight: different firmware? |
| 06:18.20 | DawnLight | streuner: same firmware |
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| 06:18.45 | Kobaz | what's a god gui for monkeying with qos rules |
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| 06:20.09 | jbt | hi, how to enable the tun interface on debian 4? |
| 06:22.01 | petemc | Kobaz: webcbq exists, i wouldnt say its good tho, i never got it to do anything |
| 06:22.13 | jbt | currently interface enable for openvpn is tap, I wan't to change it to tun |
| 06:22.19 | Kobaz | k |
| 06:22.49 | petemc | jbt: modprobe tun? |
| 06:23.25 | jbt | lemme try |
| 06:23.31 | Kobaz | i've been messing with mastershaper |
| 06:23.41 | Kobaz | seems okay but there's gotta be something better |
| 06:23.42 | Kobaz | heh |
| 06:23.53 | petemc | jbt: the openvpn how to is worth reading |
| 06:24.20 | petemc | Kobaz: i use openwrt |
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| 06:31.48 | acu | is kde-guidance fixed in KDE lenny ? - it does not seem to show up in control center ? |
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| 06:32.27 | RickyWh | does anyone know why anyone would, Edit /etc/apache2/ports.conf and add Listen 443: |
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| 06:33.21 | DawnLight | me and my sister have the same model/firmware-version cd/dvd recorder and we both run etch but her k3b reckognizes less 'write modes' for the drive then mine does and she gets errors while burning. what could be the cause of this mayhem? Her drive seems to read ok. here's a paste of 'wodim -prcap dev=/dev/scd0' in both boxes: http://www.pastebin.ca/803445 |
| 06:34.17 | Jyzygzel- | why does make menuconfig fail |
| 06:34.18 | Jyzygzel- | make[1]: *** [scripts/kconfig/lxdialog/checklist.o] Error 1 |
| 06:34.18 | DawnLight | RickyWh: having two www roots |
| 06:34.31 | Jyzygzel- | do i first have to do something other? |
| 06:34.59 | RickyWh | two www roots? |
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| 06:35.21 | petemc | Jyzygzel-: probably libncurses5-dev , if you want to learn how to compile a kernel, follow a guide |
| 06:35.33 | Jyzygzel- | i don't need to compile it |
| 06:35.38 | Jyzygzel- | i just wanna access menuconfi |
| 06:36.36 | Jyzygzel- | wohoo i has menuconfig |
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| 06:41.50 | squisher | DawnLight: just a guess, but did you check the drive firmwares? |
| 06:42.23 | DawnLight | squisher: i've updated the firmware in both drives from the stock to the same version |
| 06:43.00 | squisher | Hehe, oops, you had even stated so in the question... stupid me :) |
| 06:43.00 | bucky | DawnLight, are you both members of the same groups? type groups in a term as user |
| 06:43.30 | bucky | DawnLight, also are the configs the same in the menus of k3B |
| 06:43.32 | squisher | and don't exclude the possibility that her drive is just broken |
| 06:43.48 | squisher | happens with optical drives sometimes, unfortunately |
| 06:43.51 | Jyzygzel- | man building a kernel would be sloow |
| 06:43.53 | squisher | you could try switching the drives |
| 06:44.15 | squisher | Jyzygzel-: just depends on how fast your processor is :) |
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| 06:44.22 | Jyzygzel- | i mean configuring |
| 06:44.27 | Jyzygzel- | choose what you want in it |
| 06:44.38 | squisher | well, that depends on how well you know the kernel ;-) |
| 06:44.38 | bucky | DawnLight, see how your cdrecord -scanbus bus commands look |
| 06:44.50 | DawnLight | bucky: we're not in the same groups but we be are in cdrom. about k3b configuration... the problem is before k3b |
| 06:44.57 | Jyzygzel- | i wonder what kind of configuration they use to make the Debian Kernels? |
| 06:45.04 | Jyzygzel- | is the config file somewhere |
| 06:45.12 | cyzie | Jyzygzel-, yes |
| 06:45.13 | squisher | Jyzygzel-: /boot/config.`uname -r` |
| 06:45.14 | Jyzygzel- | so i can load it to menuconfig and see the chouuces |
| 06:45.19 | Jyzygzel- | awwsum! |
| 06:45.28 | cyzie | Jyzygzel-, yes |
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| 06:46.55 | Jyzygzel- | i once made my own kernel but it lacked so many things |
| 06:47.22 | cyzie | Jyzygzel-, enable all them |
| 06:47.26 | Jyzygzel- | :p |
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| 06:47.34 | Jyzygzel- | i bet thats what debian kernels have |
| 06:47.38 | Jyzygzel- | everything as a module |
| 06:48.00 | Jyzygzel- | some things can't be modules tho |
| 06:48.01 | cyzie | Jyzygzel-, if eveyrthing is module, it can become slow |
| 06:48.23 | cyzie | Jyzygzel-, some based need not to be module |
| 06:48.52 | cyzie | Jyzygzel-, just see the config in /boot |
| 06:48.56 | cyzie | u know what is module |
| 06:49.05 | cyzie | then make achange from that ifu can |
| 06:49.07 | Jyzygzel- | yea im looking it right now |
| 06:49.09 | Jyzygzel- | with menyconfig |
| 06:49.27 | cyzie | gooody |
| 06:49.36 | Jyzygzel- | looks like debian uses 250 Hz timer |
| 06:49.46 | cyzie | yea |
| 06:50.24 | Jyzygzel- | i wonder what would you have to do to change of the values here :p |
| 06:50.38 | Jyzygzel- | one of the values |
| 06:51.17 | DawnLight | bucky: this is what it looks like http://www.pastebin.ca/803458 |
| 06:51.29 | bucky | letsee |
| 06:51.33 | cyzie | Jyzygzel-, why u have to change it ? |
| 06:51.44 | Jyzygzel- | ionno i was just wondering |
| 06:51.54 | Jyzygzel- | im sure i can figure out something that i might wanna change |
| 06:52.00 | cyzie | ok, your wild wondering can bring unneccesary disaster |
| 06:52.15 | cyzie | yes, Jyzygzel- like sd card capable |
| 06:52.19 | cyzie | bigmem |
| 06:52.41 | Jyzygzel- | i mean i could want a 200 Hz kernel ;) |
| 06:53.00 | cyzie | mm.. doesnt make any sense |
| 06:53.05 | cyzie | kernel has clockspeed?! |
| 06:53.13 | Jyzygzel- | timer has |
| 06:53.22 | squisher | DawnLight: did you notice the maximum read spead of 7056kb/s ? That's pretty weird |
| 06:53.29 | Wyzard | though it's being phased out and replaced with tickless |
| 06:53.46 | bucky | DawnLight, well they are on different buses so k3b will have to know that... that's all i can think of |
| 06:54.00 | squisher | DawnLight: IMHO something is really screwed up there, either on the h/w or the s/w side, not sure |
| 06:54.01 | Jyzygzel- | Wyzard the debian kernel does not have that enables |
| 06:54.05 | Jyzygzel- | the Tickless System |
| 06:54.09 | rodneykk | doesnt the 200Hz have a big performance gain with half-life servers (cs, cs:s, etc?) |
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| 06:54.13 | Jyzygzel- | but its New :O |
| 06:54.20 | rodneykk | when you go to 1000 |
| 06:54.24 | Jyzygzel- | 1000! |
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| 06:54.35 | Jyzygzel- | supa fast game environment! |
| 06:54.36 | bucky | DawnLight, also k3b has some setuid user set up in the menus iirc |
| 06:54.38 | DawnLight | squisher: t'is, eh |
| 06:54.42 | Wyzard | Jyzygzel-: tickless doesn't even exist in etch's 2.6.18 kernel, but it's enabled in the newer kernels in sid |
| 06:54.47 | Jyzygzel- | yea :-D |
| 06:55.01 | DawnLight | bucky: the problem isn't with k3b |
| 06:55.02 | squisher | DawnLight: Personally I'd switch drives in the computers. A bit of work, but afterwards you should know whether it's the system or the hardware |
| 06:55.06 | Jyzygzel- | sid? |
| 06:55.11 | Jyzygzel- | SID? |
| 06:55.18 | Jyzygzel- | the 8580 chip? |
| 06:55.22 | Wyzard | Jyzygzel-: only on i386 though... on amd64 it won't be supported for a few more kernel revisions |
| 06:55.42 | acu | hi guys - I have a 1390 broadcom wireless - I am running lenny - and not being able to make it work - I understand that the 2.6.22 kernel should have the drivers built in for this card - why I cannot see it ? |
| 06:55.42 | Wyzard | Jyzygzel-: sid == unstable |
| 06:55.47 | Jyzygzel- | oh |
| 06:55.54 | Jyzygzel- | i prolly have etch |
| 06:56.00 | Jyzygzel- | how can u know |
| 06:56.10 | Wyzard | squisher: That was my recommendation to DawnLight too |
| 06:56.47 | squisher | Wyzard: yeah, since it's pretty obvious something is really screwed up, I think that'd be the fastest way to find out |
| 06:56.51 | Wyzard | Jyzygzel-: What you get from a Debian install CD is stable, currently etch |
| 06:57.01 | Jyzygzel- | cat /etc/debian_version says 4.0 |
| 06:57.09 | Wyzard | Jyzygzel-: You wouldn't be running testing or unstable unless you've upgraded to it |
| 06:57.16 | Jyzygzel- | i might have |
| 06:57.17 | Jyzygzel- | ;) |
| 06:57.33 | Jyzygzel- | i once did a apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 06:57.45 | squisher | so I have a directory with perms 0770, I'm member of the group, but I get permission denied when I try to access it. Anyone have a clue what it could be? ACLs? How could I check? This is NFS btw... |
| 06:57.49 | DawnLight | squisher / Wyzard i did that. all i can remember is that k3b seemed to not have a problem with her drive. identified the write modes like it does mine |
| 06:57.57 | Jyzygzel- | after that everytime i install something with apt i get error :p |
| 06:58.00 | Wyzard | Jyzygzel-: Did you add testing or unstable lines to your sources.list? |
| 06:58.08 | Jyzygzel- | don't remember :P |
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| 06:58.36 | squisher | DawnLight: boot knoppix or the like and see what capabilities you get then. |
| 06:58.38 | Jyzygzel- | i only have the etch repos at my apt file |
| 06:58.39 | Wyzard | DawnLight: OK, so it's something in the computer, not a broken drive |
| 06:58.56 | Wyzard | Jyzygzel-: sounds like you're running etch, then |
| 06:59.02 | Jyzygzel- | damn! ;< |
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| 06:59.11 | Wyzard | Jyzygzel-: You can check your kernel version with "uname -r", btw |
| 06:59.24 | Jyzygzel- | i have a 2.6.18-4-k7 |
| 07:00.16 | Wyzard | That's etch's kernel |
| 07:00.41 | Wyzard | and not the current one -- you're not up-to-date with your security updates |
| 07:00.51 | Jyzygzel- | yea |
| 07:01.07 | Jyzygzel- | don't do them so often |
| 07:01.14 | Jyzygzel- | have forgotten the command |
| 07:01.37 | liable | meh, for some reason i cant get my phone to pair with my boxen |
| 07:01.47 | Wyzard | "apt-get update" to download the current list of available packages |
| 07:01.55 | Jyzygzel- | sure |
| 07:01.58 | Wyzard | "apt-get upgrade" to install whatever updates are available from that list |
| 07:02.08 | Jyzygzel- | doing it atm ;) |
| 07:02.15 | Wyzard | (or use aptitude rather than apt-get, which is preferable in general) |
| 07:02.24 | Jyzygzel- | yea thats what i use |
| 07:02.32 | Jyzygzel- | isn't there a security update command? |
| 07:02.46 | RickyWh | how do i install make ? |
| 07:02.55 | Wyzard | In aptitude's interactive mode you'd type 'u' to download the package lists, then 'U' to mark updates for installation |
| 07:03.17 | Jyzygzel- | i think i have some packets in ignore |
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| 07:03.28 | Wyzard | RickyWh: If you need to compile something, install the "build-essential" package -- that brings in make as well as a few other things |
| 07:03.32 | Jyzygzel- | it always says that some kernel image is being kept back |
| 07:03.57 | RickyWh | Wyzard, thanks |
| 07:04.07 | RickyWh | Yes i'm installing ISPconfig and it builds an apache |
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| 07:04.30 | Wyzard | eww |
| 07:04.38 | Wyzard | It builds its own whole copy of apache? |
| 07:04.48 | Wyzard | Debian already has apache packaged |
| 07:04.51 | RickyWh | yes, and php5 |
| 07:04.54 | Wyzard | and supported by the security team |
| 07:04.58 | Wyzard | Debian has php5 packaged too |
| 07:05.17 | RickyWh | it uses them only for running it's own web interface on port 81 |
| 07:05.27 | RickyWh | not for the actual sites you'll add |
| 07:05.36 | squisher | still ugly :-) |
| 07:05.45 | RickyWh | what panel do you use? |
| 07:06.02 | Wyzard | RickyWh: and does it provide timely auto-installable security updates for any vulnerabilities that might be found in that copy of apache or PHP? |
| 07:06.26 | RickyWh | i doubt it |
| 07:06.36 | Wyzard | then you should think twice about using it |
| 07:06.48 | RickyWh | but i'm new and i need to learn all about linux in any way |
| 07:06.54 | RickyWh | even if it turns out to be the hard way |
| 07:07.01 | RickyWh | what control panel do you use? |
| 07:07.07 | squisher | then don't use a control panel |
| 07:07.13 | squisher | that's the only way you will really learn |
| 07:07.33 | Wyzard | RickyWh: I use ssh to manage my servers |
| 07:07.46 | RickyWh | i've actually saved the virtual machine just before installing ISPconfig so I can add sites manually on that VM so i'm going both ways here |
| 07:07.56 | Wyzard | Jyzygzel-: Do a dist-upgrade rather than a regular upgrade |
| 07:08.16 | RickyWh | what does dist-upgrade do that upgrade doesn't? |
| 07:08.19 | Wyzard | Jyzygzel-: The reason linux-image-2.6-k7 is held back is because the new version depends on linux-image-2.6.18-5-k7, which you don't have installed |
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| 07:08.37 | Wyzard | regular upgrade doesn't install or remove any packages, only upgrades existing ones |
| 07:08.48 | Wyzard | dist-upgrade will install and remove things as necessary to satisfy the new dependencies |
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| 07:09.05 | Jyzygzel- | :o |
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| 07:09.12 | RickyWh | can dist-upgrade possibly break your system? |
| 07:09.18 | Jyzygzel- | yes |
| 07:09.19 | Wyzard | The whole point of the linux-image-2.6-k7 metapackage is to install new kernel packages (in this case, linux-image-2.6.18-5-k7) when you dist-upgrade |
| 07:09.35 | Jyzygzel- | :O |
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| 07:09.54 | Wyzard | RickyWh: yes in principle, but it's pretty safe if you're just installing stuff from stable |
| 07:10.17 | Jyzygzel- | ohh yea |
| 07:10.25 | RickyWh | when choosing a signature algorithm, should i choose RSA or DSA? |
| 07:10.26 | Jyzygzel- | the dis-upgrade wants me to take a new kernel |
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| 07:10.49 | Wyzard | RickyWh: RSA is faster, and I don't think either is significantly stronger |
| 07:11.03 | Wyzard | RickyWh: Since RSA is no longer patented, it's generally preferable, I believe |
| 07:11.10 | Jyzygzel- | but im prolly not gonna ever boot to the new kernel :P |
| 07:11.25 | Jyzygzel- | i usually have 300d uptimes before i boot |
| 07:11.35 | Jyzygzel- | reboot |
| 07:11.46 | Wyzard | Jyzygzel-: then you'll have a kernel with a few known security vulnerabilities for 300 days |
| 07:11.56 | Jyzygzel- | how cool is that! |
| 07:12.10 | Wyzard | Jyzygzel-: It's up to you to read the security advisory and decide whether any of them are serious enough to need to be fixed immediately |
| 07:12.16 | Jyzygzel- | but debian kernel is always so old |
| 07:12.25 | Wyzard | Jyzygzel-: but it'd be stupid to not even install the new package just because you don't plan to reboot soon |
| 07:12.36 | Jyzygzel- | the one its offering me linux-image-2.6.18-5 |
| 07:12.40 | Jyzygzel- | thats very old |
| 07:12.49 | Jyzygzel- | it will have lots of holes that ppl know |
| 07:12.52 | RickyWh | which certificate version should i use? 1,2 or 3? |
| 07:13.00 | simonrvn | it's also patched for vulns |
| 07:13.03 | RickyWh | Generation x.509 cetificate |
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| 07:13.12 | Wyzard | Jyzygzel-: No it won't, if you install your updates, because Debian patches vulnerabilities that are found later |
| 07:13.19 | acu | is Lenny's kernel pruned ? - I wonder why Broadcom wirelless does not show - though they say it should be in the kernel |
| 07:13.20 | Jyzygzel- | oh |
| 07:13.23 | astra-1 | what is the proper syntax for xorg.conf for configure vertical and hortizontal refresh rates? |
| 07:13.25 | Jyzygzel- | so it patches the older kernel |
| 07:13.39 | astra-1 | is it is xx-xx khz and xx-xx hz ? |
| 07:13.48 | simonrvn | even backporting code in newer kernels depending on need |
| 07:13.49 | Wyzard | Jyzygzel-: right, so you can get the security fixes without having to install a whole new kernel version (which contains other unrelated changes and is therefore a risk) |
| 07:13.54 | techrush | astra-1, you dont put hz or khz just the numbers |
| 07:13.56 | simonrvn | (to fix stuff) |
| 07:14.17 | Jyzygzel- | ;> |
| 07:14.25 | astra-1 | <PROTECTED> |
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| 07:14.33 | Wyzard | Jyzygzel-: That's basically the whole point of stable releases -- it *doesn't change* aside from fixing critical bugs, so that you can set it up and know that it'll continue working |
| 07:14.53 | Wyzard | astra-1: What kind of monitor do you have? |
| 07:14.55 | techrush | astra-1, you could try using a custom modeline |
| 07:14.57 | squisher | astra-1: have you checked why it doesn't autodetect them? Is it an old monitor/videocard? |
| 07:15.04 | astra-1 | it is an old apple crt |
| 07:15.09 | Wyzard | oh, ok |
| 07:15.15 | astra-1 | with the old the mac vga plug with a mac -> vga converter |
| 07:15.20 | techrush | hrmm |
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| 07:16.06 | astra-1 | it is 30-70 and 50-160 |
| 07:16.14 | astra-1 | and yet it displays higher than frequency still |
| 07:16.42 | Wyzard | astra-1: Since it's a name-brand monitor, you can probably look up its supported ranges online |
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| 07:17.03 | astra-1 | it tells me them onscreen |
| 07:17.10 | astra-1 | when i switch to tty07 for xorg |
| 07:17.24 | Wyzard | It tells you the full ranges? |
| 07:17.28 | astra-1 | yeah |
| 07:17.28 | Wyzard | not just the current frequencies? |
| 07:17.30 | Wyzard | interesting |
| 07:17.32 | astra-1 | both |
| 07:17.36 | astra-1 | pretty cool crt |
| 07:17.49 | astra-1 | windows 2003 shares a this same monitor and it has no problems |
| 07:18.22 | Wyzard | Windows is probably using conservative generic ranges |
| 07:18.47 | Wyzard | That's what it ususally does unless you've installed a "driver" (which is really just an .inf file) for your specific monitor |
| 07:18.54 | astra-1 | yeah |
| 07:19.05 | astra-1 | but why does xorg still set above the frequencies i've given it? |
| 07:19.30 | Wyzard | Are you sure xorg is using a frequency outside the range you gave? |
| 07:19.36 | Decepticon | what package is used to unrar files .rar 3.0+ |
| 07:19.48 | RickyWh | do most everyone here add sites to their boxes manually or do ya'll use control panels? |
| 07:19.54 | Wyzard | Maybe the monitor just doesn't support as wide a range as it claims to |
| 07:19.57 | squisher | Decepticon: unrar? |
| 07:20.00 | Gm4n | I do it manually, myself |
| 07:20.08 | squisher | manually |
| 07:20.10 | Decepticon | i cant seem to find such a package when i search 'apt-cache search unrar' |
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| 07:20.26 | RickyWh | Does anyone use a control panel at all? if so, which one? |
| 07:20.31 | squisher | Decepticon: it's most likely in unfree, check packages.debian.org |
| 07:20.33 | astra-1 | when i switch to crtl+alt+f7 hf: 73.4 khz vf: 179.0 and operating frenquency below it says hf: 30-70 khz and 50-160 hz |
| 07:20.50 | Wyzard | RickyWh: Debian's apache2 package has a rather modular structure in /etc/apache2 that keeps each vhost in a separate config file, and there are some tools for enabling and disabling vhosts and modules |
| 07:21.30 | Wyzard | RickyWh: I find it straightforward enough to just edit the config files with a text editor |
| 07:21.32 | squisher | I love the debian setup of apache2, it's very neat :-) |
| 07:21.57 | squisher | Not trying to bash other distros, but gentoo would with each update try to overwrite the configuration files where we had defined our sites... :-) |
| 07:22.44 | astra-1 | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:23.03 | RickyWh | in order to enable wildcard DNS, could you add a wildcard entry to your DNS server for your domain(*.domaint.tld.) and then use mod_rewrite to rewrite the url thereafter? or must you also add the line to the vhost file as well? |
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| 07:23.21 | Wyzard | squisher: On the other hand, Gentoo's etc-update has built-in merging, which Debian's config-file-replacement prompt lacks |
| 07:23.44 | omry | how do I build a deb from source I got from the project svn server (that does have the debian directory in it)? |
| 07:24.02 | squisher | Wyzard: that's a good point, but to be honest I often prefer merging by hand, I'm not sure I trust the built-in merge |
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| 07:24.32 | Wyzard | squisher: I've never seen any problems with it |
| 07:25.05 | Wyzard | squisher: (I don't use Gentoo much, but the feature is pretty straightforward and I can't imagine any non-esoteric cases where it would fail) |
| 07:25.39 | squisher | To be honest, I haven't tried it yet. I'll check it out next time it comes up |
| 07:25.41 | Decepticon | how do i refresh apt-get and apt-cache search when i update /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 07:25.49 | squisher | Decepticon: apt-get update |
| 07:25.58 | Decepticon | no not my packages.. |
| 07:26.08 | Decepticon | just refresh apt-get's source updating |
| 07:26.15 | Wyzard | squisher: IIRC it just asks you, for each hunk, whether you want to take the old version, the new version, or edit manually |
| 07:26.17 | squisher | yeah, the packages are with apt-get _upgrade_ |
| 07:26.34 | Decepticon | i dont want to... ugrade my packages, i just want to refresh apt-get's database |
| 07:26.40 | squisher | Wyzard: that does sound straight-forward |
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| 07:26.47 | Decepticon | im not sure if thats what need sto be done manually |
| 07:26.47 | Wyzard | Decepticon: "apt-get update" does what you're asking |
| 07:26.52 | Decepticon | or if it happanes automatically |
| 07:26.56 | squisher | Decepticon: just try it out: update is for the package list, upgrade is for the actual packages |
| 07:27.01 | Decepticon | i see |
| 07:27.07 | Decepticon | sorry i was misreading the two as the same |
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| 07:28.50 | Schalken | does anyone know where i might be able to get a free, generic graphic of a dependency tree for illustration purposes? |
| 07:29.20 | DawnLight | Schalken: wikipedia perhaps |
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| 07:31.30 | Schalken | DawnLight: yeah, i tried that but at best i could find was http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Binary_tree_structure.svg and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Binary_tree.svg |
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| 07:31.47 | seanp2k | halp me i iz brokn |
| 07:31.51 | seanp2k | http://pastebin.org/10053 |
| 07:32.15 | seanp2k | i used the automagical updater (orange square) and it upgraded samba but failed |
| 07:32.25 | seanp2k | now I can't install anything until i fix samba |
| 07:32.32 | Schalken | DawnLight: actually if i flip this one upside down it will be good http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Sorted_binary_tree.svg |
| 07:32.40 | Schalken | DawnLight: ty for your help |
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| 07:33.02 | Schalken | seanp2k: what version? |
| 07:33.11 | seanp2k | etch |
| 07:33.16 | RickyWh | does www.yettabyte.net load when you visit? |
| 07:33.25 | squisher | seanp2k: what you pasted is not complete... |
| 07:33.31 | seanp2k | 3.0.24-6etch4 vs 6etch8 |
| 07:33.44 | squisher | Wyzard: he means the updater icon |
| 07:34.00 | squisher | in the system tray, I mean |
| 07:34.02 | Wyzard | oh, that thing |
| 07:34.04 | seanp2k | squisher, what do you want the output of? |
| 07:34.17 | Wyzard | Does Debian even install that by default? |
| 07:34.20 | squisher | seanp2k: the pastebin url you posted has a log that is not complete |
| 07:34.24 | squisher | Wyzard: Yup! |
| 07:34.25 | Wyzard | I normally associate that icon with Ubuntu |
| 07:34.31 | Wyzard | hmm, ok |
| 07:34.36 | Schalken | seanp2k: what you might be looking for is "aptitude keep-all" |
| 07:35.27 | Schalken | seanp2k: if any packages are marked for upgrade (which means every time you try to do something it will try to execute that upgrade) it will mark them as "keep" (keep at current version) |
| 07:35.53 | Schalken | Wyzard: im pretty sure its part of synaptic |
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| 07:37.01 | seanp2k | http://pastebin.org/10056 |
| 07:39.09 | seanp2k | hang on, if i hit no to the first one it offers to downgrade samba-common and smbclient to etch4 from etch8 and i hit yes, seeing if this works (sounds like it might) |
| 07:39.40 | seanp2k | yeah, it did |
| 07:39.42 | seanp2k | awesome |
| 07:39.43 | seanp2k | thanks man |
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| 07:40.42 | RickyWh | can anyone tell me if my site works on the outside? does www.yettabyte.net load when you visit? |
| 07:40.50 | Schalken | RickyWh: nope |
| 07:40.57 | RickyWh | k |
| 07:41.02 | Schalken | RickyWh: i checked the first time you asked, but forgot to tell you :P |
| 07:41.16 | RickyWh | i changed stuff just now |
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| 07:41.27 | RickyWh | still down? |
| 07:41.43 | seanp2k | how can i enter into dpkg about a solution for this samba conflict... solution is here http://pastebin.com/f3be91815 |
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| 07:42.18 | Schalken | RickyWh: unknown host www.yettabyte.net. i think you broke the dns somehow :S |
| 07:42.41 | RickyWh | i've never got it to work yet even manually so far |
| 07:42.50 | RickyWh | as i probably don't even have a zone file avail |
| 07:42.52 | seanp2k | yettabyte.net. 86400 IN A 192.168.1.115 |
| 07:42.54 | seanp2k | lol |
| 07:43.02 | Schalken | seanp2k: 8| |
| 07:43.07 | seanp2k | think you need your public ip in there bro |
| 07:43.11 | dondelelcaro | seanp2k: so use aptitude or similar and downgrade the samba to the proper version |
| 07:43.24 | dondelelcaro | seanp2k: you may need to point at snapshot.debian.net to actually do that. |
| 07:43.31 | RickyWh | lol, so it does work? |
| 07:43.35 | RickyWh | but my ip is wrong? |
| 07:43.45 | seanp2k | donaldo, solution is at http://pastebin.com/f3be91815 |
| 07:43.57 | seanp2k | RickyWh, www.whatismyip.com |
| 07:44.06 | seanp2k | then enter that for your type A record |
| 07:44.19 | squisher | seanp2k: that's assuming he's on the server right now... :) |
| 07:44.20 | dondelelcaro | seanp2k: I saw the solution; pick the one that downgrades samba-common and smbclient. |
| 07:44.27 | RickyWh | k i just switched it, see if it works now |
| 07:44.32 | Schalken | seanp2k: read the aptitude manual if you havent already. it helped me so much :D |
| 07:44.49 | seanp2k | Schalken, it's on my to-do-but-not-done list |
| 07:44.53 | bucky | host www.yettabyte.net |
| 07:44.54 | seanp2k | maybe after finals next week |
| 07:44.54 | bucky | www.yettabyte.net has address 192.168.1.115 |
| 07:45.10 | seanp2k | yeah man try dig yettabyte.net |
| 07:45.12 | bucky | i don't think that address is going to work |
| 07:45.15 | Schalken | seanp2k: well, just the first section is all i read. (getting started or something) |
| 07:45.24 | RickyWh | bucky, ok this time for real |
| 07:45.32 | seanp2k | it'll take a while to propagate anyway |
| 07:45.35 | RickyWh | should work now |
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| 07:46.10 | RickyWh | does it load now for anyone? |
| 07:46.11 | bucky | RickyWh, that's a reserved address |
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| 07:46.31 | RickyWh | whats that mean? |
| 07:46.41 | ^arky^ | hi does anyone have udev rules for creative pd1001 (se401) |
| 07:47.13 | dondelelcaro | ^arky^: you can write them yourself; there's a short howto in /usr/share/doc/udev/ |
| 07:47.19 | dondelelcaro | (it's fairly trivial) |
| 07:47.28 | ^arky^ | I tried and failed donaldo |
| 07:47.31 | seanp2k | RickyWh, use the IP 207.47.196.157 (your public ip) for your DNS record |
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| 07:47.54 | RickyWh | seanp2k, yes i just now updated it |
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| 07:48.47 | bucky | how long does it take for dns to update? |
| 07:48.50 | RickyWh | does it show ?? |
| 07:48.55 | bucky | half hour? |
| 07:49.02 | seanp2k | RickyWh, it will take up to 72 hours or something like that for the updated DNS record to propagate to all the DNS servers and therefore will not be usable for everyone until a few days later |
| 07:49.14 | simonrvn | bucky: ^^^ |
| 07:49.15 | ^arky^ | dondelelcaro, I couldn't get udev to create /dev/video0 or /dev/v4l/video* devices |
| 07:49.16 | seanp2k | RickyWh, no, you just have to waita few days |
| 07:49.16 | squisher | RickyWh: yeah, the ispconfig default page shows |
| 07:49.24 | bucky | thank you |
| 07:49.33 | RickyWh | squisher, is it blue? |
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| 07:49.50 | squisher | RickyWh: blue header, white background |
| 07:49.50 | RickyWh | ok cool, if that page loads that dns already propegated, i just don't have a site up there |
| 07:49.56 | simonrvn | bucky: minor things that don't affect resolution don't matter really |
| 07:50.08 | RickyWh | thanks guys, it's working anywayhow |
| 07:50.12 | squisher | RickyWh: it worked for me because I didn't try it when you had the wrong dns entry up |
| 07:50.13 | seanp2k | np |
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| 07:50.28 | RickyWh | ahh, cool |
| 07:50.47 | RickyWh | your isp's caching servers didn't have the old ip cached right? |
| 07:51.01 | seanp2k | because no one tried to access it |
| 07:51.05 | bucky | simonrvn, when i host www.yettabyte.net it returns with a reserved addy so that would affect it |
| 07:51.30 | seanp2k | so his dns server wasn't like "hay other dns guise, WTF is this address lolz?" |
| 07:51.43 | bucky | i'm surprise that he got away with feeding a reserved addy into the upper level name servers |
| 07:51.46 | simonrvn | hay is for horses :P |
| 07:51.56 | RickyWh | hehe right on. cool. thanks for the help everyone, your great! |
| 07:52.06 | seanp2k | bucky, yeah, you could use that for poisoning lol |
| 07:52.09 | simonrvn | bucky: authoritative NS override |
| 07:52.20 | RickyWh | i'm very apreciative on the help guys, even though i'm taking off to sleep now though |
| 07:52.26 | RickyWh | night all |
| 07:52.32 | seanp2k | enjoy ur dns |
| 07:52.36 | seanp2k | aids* |
| 07:52.42 | RickyWh | ya in the morning it better still be working hehe |
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| 07:52.54 | bucky | RickyWh, see you monday |
| 07:53.04 | RickyWh | bye |
| 07:53.19 | bucky | kaytnxbye |
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| 07:55.35 | squisher | man, debugging nfs through network captures sucks, because I have no clue what exactly the file handles are! |
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| 08:06.24 | bucky | now you have some idea what Jeremy Allison went through to reverse engineer it |
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| 08:07.32 | roxy_ | I have a Nvidia GeForce 7200 GS, on lspci it is written: 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation Unknown device 01d3 (rev a1) |
| 08:07.46 | roxy_ | does that mean the driver is not installed ? where can I find one ? |
| 08:08.24 | redduck666 | !tell roxy about nvidia one-liner |
| 08:08.28 | wols_ | roxy_: update-pciids |
| 08:08.52 | wols_ | and what lspci shows and what driver you use have nothing at all to do with each other |
| 08:09.07 | wols_ | redduck666: only if he wants hardware accelerated 3D |
| 08:09.40 | wols_ | squisher: you ever programmed C? |
| 08:10.04 | roxy_ | wols_: thanks : 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation G72 [GeForce 7300 SE] (rev a1) |
| 08:10.15 | roxy_ | wols_: how can I know if the driver is installed ? |
| 08:10.29 | wols_ | loog in your xorg.conf |
| 08:10.47 | wols_ | you not only have to install it, you also have to use it |
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| 08:11.08 | wols_ | *look into |
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| 08:11.51 | wols_ | roxy_: first off, do you want 3D? |
| 08:11.54 | roxy_ | wols_: I have tried to set write my xorg.con but to no avail. I have 2 cards. I commented out the old one and wrote the set up for the new one. But it still boot from the old one. |
| 08:11.56 | roxy_ | wols_: no |
| 08:12.19 | wols_ | you are not supposed to write your xorg.conf directly unless you want to do special things |
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| 08:12.33 | wols_ | !tell roxy_ about drxx |
| 08:12.37 | wols_ | choose "nv" there |
| 08:12.49 | wols_ | also make sure your BIOS chooses the nvidia card |
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| 08:14.02 | roxy_ | wols_: I have the 2 pci cards. I read in an how to I could change the "main" one in the bios, but I can't find the setting in the bios. |
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| 08:14.34 | roxy_ | I tried dpkg-reconfigure but it only reconfigure the old "main" one. |
| 08:14.43 | wols_ | it differs from BIOS to bios, but it is no topic of #debian |
| 08:15.03 | roxy_ | I also tried X -reconfigure but it gives an error (it is why I was thinkingn about a driver pb) |
| 08:15.06 | wols_ | it will reconfigure to the new one if you change tell debconf about it |
| 08:15.29 | roxy_ | wols_: thanks, I'll look into debconf. |
| 08:15.39 | wols_ | dpkg-reconfigure is debconf |
| 08:15.52 | t1n0m3n | I am having a very strange issue with kubuntu x64 that no one seems to be able to answer at #kubuntu, I have troubleshot this for several hours and I thought maybe someone on the #debian forum may be able to shed light on.... I wonder if it is OK to ask here? I have googled for hours and to no avail.... Tell me to go away and I will. |
| 08:16.00 | omri | I'm working in a closed network which I can't get new software in. I'm trying to write a simple SNMP client, I found out the first 4 bytes in an SNMP packet (using ethereal) aren't analyzed (by the protocol analyzer); what are they? how do I generate them? seems like if I change them the request doesn't work |
| 08:16.06 | squisher | wols_: yeah, I know some C, why? |
| 08:17.36 | wols_ | then you should know what filehandles are |
| 08:18.09 | squisher | wols_: hehe, sure I know, but the problem is I'm not sure how to resolve the NFS filehandle to a filename |
| 08:18.13 | wols_ | omri: http://www.faqs.org/rfcs/rfc1157.html |
| 08:18.26 | omri | I'm having trouble with it :\ |
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| 08:18.48 | wols_ | squisher: /proc/<PID>/fd |
| 08:18.59 | wols_ | where <PID> is your NFS program's PID |
| 08:19.07 | omri | never really understood an RFC |
| 08:19.20 | wols_ | t1n0m3n: are you t1n0m3n from LS? |
| 08:19.32 | squisher | wols_: but I'm just trying to do a "cd", so I check my shell's proc directory? |
| 08:19.47 | wols_ | squisher: dunno :/ |
| 08:20.06 | squisher | wols_: :-) worth a shot.... |
| 08:20.08 | wols_ | but if you know what file(s) you open, why do you want to know the filenames? |
| 08:20.20 | t1n0m3n | I cannot get my interfaces (eth0 or the 3945 wireless interface) to download from the internet at more than 7.2 MBps. I have used "ping -M dont" to verify my MTU settings as being 1492 (per my dsl) |
| 08:20.37 | wols_ | t1n0m3n: you are OT here. we don't support *ubuntu. see topic |
| 08:20.42 | t1n0m3n | wols_: LS? |
| 08:20.57 | wols_ | if you doN't know LS you are not that t1nom3n |
| 08:20.58 | t1n0m3n | wols_: Your name look familiar tho |
| 08:21.18 | squisher | wols_: my problem is that I have correct permissions to enter a directory, but nonetheless the nfs server refuses it. So I want to see on what exactly it reports that I don't have permissions... (trying everything at this point... :-( ) |
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| 08:26.32 | squisher | wols_: nfs filehandles are totally different from C filehandles... a freaking 32byte number, so no checking in /proc/<pid> unfortunately |
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| 08:27.49 | t1n0m3n | wols_: forgive me, I know retarded amounts of acronyms, so LS may not mean much right now. Anyway, I am trying to learn more of a generic debian stuff, however, I understand if you dont want to "support" a ubuntu user. The ?'s I had were more debian in nature so I guess I will try to learn elsewhere. |
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| 08:28.27 | kornerr | hi |
| 08:29.30 | kornerr | debian-4.0-r1 CD1 doesn't boot |
| 08:29.45 | kornerr | how can i make bootable usb from windows? |
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| 08:30.12 | wols_ | t1n0m3n: LS is a windows shell replacement |
| 08:30.23 | arkhit | can any say the link to download debian_x64 through ftp |
| 08:30.46 | wols_ | squisher: I don't know what you use but on my OSes, filehandles are all 32bit integers too :P |
| 08:31.00 | wols_ | !tell kornerr about ig |
| 08:31.04 | t1n0m3n | oh, litestep, lol |
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| 08:31.26 | kornerr | o_0 |
| 08:31.27 | wols_ | oh, 32byte |
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| 08:31.52 | kornerr | not funny |
| 08:31.53 | squisher | wols_: see the problem I have is that I have a directory with perms 0770 on nfs, I'm in the group of the dir, the gids are the same on server and client, but I still get access denied |
| 08:31.53 | kornerr | # zcat boot.img.gz > /dev/sda |
| 08:31.59 | kornerr | i can't run that in windows |
| 08:32.07 | pilgrim | The arrow keys are not supported in vi. How do I fix this? |
| 08:32.08 | kornerr | that's what in IG |
| 08:32.14 | wols_ | squisher: how is your exports line |
| 08:32.15 | pilgrim | vim works fine, btw |
| 08:32.20 | wols_ | kornerr: dpkg messaged you |
| 08:32.31 | wols_ | kornerr: you can. e.g. with cygwin |
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| 08:32.41 | kornerr | ah |
| 08:32.43 | wols_ | kornerr: or simply google "goodbye microsoft" |
| 08:32.47 | squisher | wols_: /nfs 10.10.10.0/24(rw,sync,fsid=0,crossmnt,no_subtree_check) \n /nfs/data 10.10.10.0/24(rw,sync,no_subtree_check) |
| 08:32.50 | kornerr | ok |
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| 08:33.07 | squisher | wols_: it used to work just fine until I setup my client from scratch |
| 08:33.23 | wols_ | squisher: then I guess it's your client? what changed? |
| 08:33.38 | t1n0m3n | anyway, thanks for humoring me, good day. |
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| 08:34.25 | squisher | wols_: I wish I knew... was sid before, is sid now... but of course fresh /etc with select settings from before, i.e. same fstab line for the nfs directory |
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| 08:35.53 | pilgrim | Anyone know how I cant get backspace and arrow keys working properly on vi? |
| 08:36.29 | squisher | pilgrim: see if you're running vim |
| 08:37.43 | pilgrim | nope |
| 08:37.52 | kornerr | damn |
| 08:37.57 | kornerr | that goodbye ms |
| 08:38.00 | kornerr | it's for internet |
| 08:38.06 | kornerr | no |
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| 08:38.19 | kornerr | i can't run that from windows cuz there's no such img on disk1 |
| 08:38.21 | alaya | pilgrim: run "vim" instead of vi. also, you can copy /usr/share/vim/vim71/vimrc_example.vim to ~/.vimrc |
| 08:39.37 | levander | Is there any way to view the realtime priority of a running thread? Like, using top? |
| 08:39.56 | kornerr | so |
| 08:40.12 | kornerr | how to make a bootable usb? |
| 08:40.16 | kornerr | from windows |
| 08:40.27 | simonrvn | pilgrim: press i to go into edit mode |
| 08:41.00 | levander | kornerr: You've tried just right clicking on the usb disk, clicking format, and from the dialog that pops up, selecting "make system disk" or "make bootable" or whatever it says? |
| 08:41.14 | kornerr | o_0 |
| 08:41.21 | kornerr | the installation guide says |
| 08:41.25 | GhostlyDeath | How do I get X's DPI? |
| 08:41.26 | kornerr | zcat boot.img.gz > /dev/sda |
| 08:41.30 | kornerr | so i need that image |
| 08:41.47 | kornerr | there's no such image on 4.0-r1 CD1 |
| 08:42.03 | cahoot | GhostlyDeath: xdpyinfo is one way |
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| 08:42.52 | kornerr | also, it says i should be already running linux |
| 08:42.56 | kornerr | :( |
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| 08:43.33 | cahoot | and xrdb -query | grep Xft |
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| 08:44.28 | kornerr | though, i have grub installed |
| 08:44.40 | kornerr | can anyone tell me how to load that CD1 with my installed grub? |
| 08:44.50 | kornerr | *boot off that CD1 |
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| 08:45.37 | tarzeau | is it possible xscreensaver with too many pixels (6 mega pixel) make too hot? http://bb.phys.ethz.ch/bb/html/krum.temp.html |
| 08:45.47 | tarzeau | the opengl ones |
| 08:46.08 | tarzeau | it was at about 107 degrees yesterday, then friend opens the case |
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| 08:47.13 | tarzeau | is this dangerous? TCP: Treason uncloaked! Peer 80.126.38.192:56290/80 shrinks window 3396372065:3396376610. Repaired. |
| 08:47.32 | bucky | oversized packet? |
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| 08:47.46 | alaya | levander: ps -Leo pid,rtprio,cmd‘ |
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| 08:48.41 | alaya | oops, take off the tick at the end of that |
| 08:49.39 | SpeedyG | tarzeau: obviously, the higher the MP, the more your gfx-card gets to work on.. so the hotter it can get |
| 08:49.58 | tarzeau | SpeedyG: i should get rid of the gl screensavers i guess |
| 08:50.18 | SpeedyG | tarzeau: on the other hand, some 90C isnt that weird for a GPU |
| 08:50.18 | valdyn | tarzeau: you should get a properly cooled system |
| 08:50.28 | tarzeau | valdyn: it's properly cooled! |
| 08:50.31 | valdyn | tarzeau: your disks dont need to be that hot either |
| 08:50.32 | pilgrim | simonrvn, alright, i goes into edit mode. although the bottom doesn't indicate that and I would like it to |
| 08:50.36 | valdyn | tarzeau: i dont think so |
| 08:51.06 | tarzeau | valdyn: smartctl says the min/max is way fine for around 40 |
| 08:51.12 | tarzeau | valdyn: check https://inventory.phys.ethz.ch/stats/ |
| 08:51.17 | valdyn | tarzeau: if heat is building up in your whole case then the fans on the chips can do nothing about it.. |
| 08:51.34 | valdyn | tarzeau: yes, sure, its ok, but its probably more than the usual |
| 08:51.36 | tarzeau | valdyn: that's right the fans on the chips just move it away from the chip |
| 08:51.40 | tarzeau | and the powersupply fan moves it out |
| 08:51.47 | tarzeau | valdyn: no it's not, rly |
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| 08:52.23 | tarzeau | valdyn: besides disk temperature sensors are often VERY inaccurate, check taranis one reporting 60+, measuring with another temperature sensor you get 20 degrees less |
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| 08:52.38 | tarzeau | so what we watch is relative changes |
| 08:52.46 | valdyn | tarzeau: nothing is certain without you controlling the in case temp manually i suppose |
| 08:53.00 | valdyn | tarzeau: yes i know chip sensors are usually in a specific corner and not accurate |
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| 08:53.22 | tarzeau | chips can take way up more temperature without going boing |
| 08:53.49 | SpeedyG | my previous GPU crashed when it reached some 130 - 140 C |
| 08:53.51 | tarzeau | valdyn: those using to make holes into the earth (use once until it breaks, get way over 150 degrees or even 200, up to 300) and run for weeks |
| 08:54.05 | tarzeau | SpeedyG: yep that's fine i guess |
| 08:54.18 | tarzeau | SpeedyG: but it didn't break, still works i guess? |
| 08:54.22 | SpeedyG | and that was because my GPU-fan was broken |
| 08:54.24 | dondelelcaro | tarzeau: it really depends on the tolerances of the chip |
| 08:54.47 | SpeedyG | tarzeau: even without the fan it works, I just cant use it for graphically challenging stuff |
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| 08:55.02 | SpeedyG | tarzeau: without the fan, it operates quite stable around 110C |
| 08:55.12 | tarzeau | i run some p3 500mhz cpus without fans (just passive cooling), for doing only ltsp client, no probs |
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| 08:55.49 | tarzeau | SpeedyG: that's for cpu and gpu, i guess. harddisks get shaky much earlier |
| 08:56.21 | SpeedyG | tarzeau: yeah, due to the extremely hot gfx-card, they operated around 45C |
| 08:56.45 | SpeedyG | (that was also one of the reasons for me to buy another case, with a 12cm-fan in the front) |
| 08:57.17 | tarzeau | valdyn, SpeedyG: what room temperatures do you have? |
| 08:57.34 | valdyn | tarzeau: this room is certainly no good comparison |
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| 08:57.43 | valdyn | tarzeau: its cold, the cpus run at 20C |
| 08:57.56 | SpeedyG | tarzeau: depends |
| 08:57.57 | valdyn | tarzeau: i can get them up to 40, but not higher |
| 08:58.08 | tarzeau | we've got some rooms that are not climated (and outside summer temperature heats it up pretty much) |
| 08:58.19 | SpeedyG | in summer, temps go up to 40C, in winter, it's around 5 if I keep my window open, and around 20 if I keep them closed |
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| 08:58.37 | valdyn | tarzeau: a system like yours, as i had once before would damage my harddisks |
| 08:58.44 | valdyn | tarzeau: ( over 2 years time ) |
| 08:59.16 | valdyn | tarzeau: so nothing immediate, just components lasting less than usual |
| 08:59.23 | tarzeau | valdyn: had you seen the google paper on harddisk lifetime survey and the irrelevance of smart data, including temperature up to some point? |
| 08:59.37 | valdyn | tarzeau: im not going by smart data at all |
| 08:59.49 | valdyn | tarzeau: just disks completely dieing |
| 09:00.01 | tarzeau | likewise, here but the temperature is read out using smart |
| 09:00.11 | SpeedyG | I just tend to keep backups of relative stuff, and if a disk dies.. well, to bad .. :) |
| 09:00.25 | tarzeau | SpeedyG: same here, they die. you won't ever know when |
| 09:00.31 | tarzeau | SpeedyG: just replace them :) |
| 09:00.44 | SpeedyG | tarzeau: exactly :) |
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| 09:00.54 | valdyn | tarzeau: i got various subsystems indicating temperature, including subjective feeling. Not just smart. |
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| 09:01.23 | valdyn | tarzeau: bios,gfx card ,smart,cpu, hands on. |
| 09:01.43 | tarzeau | valdyn: yeah but you don't do the hands on periodically and write it down, do you? :) |
| 09:02.18 | valdyn | tarzeau: right, i can only say " a system showing similar symptoms to yours would wear down my disks " |
| 09:02.21 | tarzeau | valdyn: i also read cpu temp out where possible |
| 09:02.22 | valdyn | tarzeau: nothing accurate in there |
| 09:02.47 | SpeedyG | hm |
| 09:03.00 | SpeedyG | some while ago, I stopped monitoring that kind of stuff :p |
| 09:03.16 | SpeedyG | it only made me worried, and while it works, it works, if it doenst, i'll start to investigate why :p |
| 09:03.20 | tarzeau | SpeedyG: i only do for the broken fans detection |
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| 09:03.48 | valdyn | tarzeau: this "special" case now is 50% or 20 degree cooler. That's more than sensors inaccurracy |
| 09:05.23 | valdyn | tarzeau: at your temps you will probably see brown "burn" marks inside |
| 09:05.30 | valdyn | tarzeau: not sure what makes those, dust maybe |
| 09:05.41 | tarzeau | valdyn: heat? |
| 09:05.54 | tarzeau | valdyn: i've seen such cpus... |
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| 09:06.22 | valdyn | tarzeau: yes, sure, heat, but actual 40-80 degree shouldnt leave "burn" marks i would think, just intuitively, but they do |
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| 09:13.52 | johndoe | hi, i installed madwifi and when i run "wlanconfig ath0 create wlandev wifi0 wlanmode sta" i get "wlanconfig: ioctl: No such device" |
| 09:14.33 | dondelelcaro | johndoe: uh... you don't need to run wlanconfig |
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| 09:15.00 | johndoe | dondelelcaro: what do i have to run? |
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| 09:15.34 | dondelelcaro | johndoe: well, are you actually planning on creating multiple VAPs? |
| 09:15.43 | johndoe | dondelelcaro: no |
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| 09:16.19 | dondelelcaro | johndoe: then just make sure that wireless-tools is installed, and then iwconfig; and make sure that you see ath0; and that it has wireless extensions. |
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| 09:17.52 | johndoe | dondelelcaro: i dont see ath0 |
| 09:18.03 | dondelelcaro | johndoe: have you run modprobe madwifi; ? |
| 09:18.12 | johndoe | dondelelcaro: nope |
| 09:18.23 | dondelelcaro | johndoe: well, try that for starters. |
| 09:18.29 | johndoe | dondelelcaro: FATAL: Module madwifi not found. |
| 09:18.42 | dondelelcaro | johndoe: then you haven't really installed madwifi yet |
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| 09:18.56 | dondelelcaro | johndoe: so aptitude install module-assistant; and m-a a-i madwifi; |
| 09:19.14 | johndoe | dondelelcaro: Version 1:0.9.3.2-2+2.6.22-6 of madwifi-modules-2.6.22-3-amd64 already installed, skipping. |
| 09:19.45 | wols_ | dondelelcaro: madwifi module is called ath-pci |
| 09:19.51 | dondelelcaro | johndoe: err, modprobe wlan; rather. |
| 09:20.37 | johndoe | dondelelcaro: when i trype dmesg, ath_pci is already there. i guess its loaded |
| 09:20.40 | dondelelcaro | (though generally just plugging in the pcmcia card, assuming you have udev, will be good enough) |
| 09:21.07 | johndoe | dondelelcaro: im on a laptop, and its inside, so i guess its pci |
| 09:21.10 | dondelelcaro | johndoe: ok, so give us the output of iwconfig; then. |
| 09:21.46 | johndoe | dondelelcaro: lo no wireless extensions. eth0 no wireless extensions. |
| 09:21.54 | dondelelcaro | (and dmesg if you don't see anything that is obviously a wireless card there) |
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| 09:22.09 | dondelelcaro | johndoe: what does lspci; say? |
| 09:22.45 | jhulst | Does anyone have any good, up to date tutorials on configuring an ldap server for user authentication? |
| 09:23.04 | johndoe | http://paste.debian.net/43876 |
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| 09:24.26 | dondelelcaro | jhulst: it really is just a matter of installing libpam-ldap libnss-ldap slapd ldap-utils ; and following the documentation therein |
| 09:24.37 | johndoe | dondelelcaro: ath_hal: 0.9.18.0 (AR5210, AR5211, AR5212, RF5111, RF5112, RF2413, RF5413), thats what hal says but i have AR5007EG |
| 09:24.57 | johndoe | dondelelcaro: could it be possible that i have a wrong hal? |
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| 09:26.23 | dondelelcaro | johndoe: see http://madwifi.org/ticket/859 |
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| 09:28.08 | veni | what is the disfference between, updates done by update manager , and manually executing apt-get dist upgrade |
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| 09:32.04 | Yggdrasil | hello, im logged in with my user on a debian box, fluxbox. How do i start x11vnc from a remote ssh session? |
| 09:34.20 | Yggdrasil | :( |
| 09:34.27 | Yggdrasil | im gonna have to walk down there |
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| 09:36.08 | dondelelcaro | Yggdrasil: you just start it; there's not much to it. |
| 09:36.09 | dutchfish | Yggdrasil, http://atonal.ucdavis.edu/lab_howto/lab_vnc_howto.html |
| 09:36.19 | Yggdrasil | uh |
| 09:36.20 | Yggdrasil | no |
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| 09:36.29 | dondelelcaro | (with an appropriate DISPLAY if you want it to talk to a different X server) |
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| 09:36.33 | Yggdrasil | hmm |
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| 09:37.29 | Yggdrasil | 01/12/2007 02:37:04 *** XOpenDisplay failed (:0) |
| 09:37.29 | Yggdrasil | *** x11vnc was unable to open the X DISPLAY: ":0", it cannot continue. |
| 09:37.32 | Yggdrasil | :( |
| 09:37.59 | vjt | Yggdrasil, try ssh -X your.box |
| 09:38.05 | dondelelcaro | Yggdrasil: so if the remote X is running, then you need to grant your user access rights to it. If it isn't, *shrug* |
| 09:39.06 | Yggdrasil | odd |
| 09:39.11 | vjt | Yggdrasil, ehm nope on't listen to me :P |
| 09:39.12 | Yggdrasil | i totaly dont understand |
| 09:39.21 | Yggdrasil | vjt interesting though |
| 09:39.33 | vjt | Yggdrasil, i should drink more coffee in the morning ;P |
| 09:39.33 | Yggdrasil | X11 connection rejected because of wrong authentication. |
| 09:39.34 | Yggdrasil | X connection to localhost:10.0 broken (explicit kill or server shutdown). |
| 09:39.39 | Yggdrasil | haha |
| 09:39.42 | Yggdrasil | i understand |
| 09:39.52 | dondelelcaro | Yggdrasil: why exactly are you trying to use x11vnc, btw? |
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| 09:40.10 | Yggdrasil | because . its a computer in the basement, hooked up to a radio |
| 09:40.18 | Yggdrasil | and theres a gui app that i use |
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| 09:40.53 | dondelelcaro | Yggdrasil: so install xauth on both machines, and enable X forwarding in your sshd configuration, and use ssh -X to connect to it |
| 09:40.53 | dutchfish | Yggdrasil, you could with ssh -X only run thise app on your local |
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| 09:41.45 | Yggdrasil | really |
| 09:41.48 | Yggdrasil | that would be sweet |
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| 09:42.37 | squisher | still noone here that might know why I get access denied to my dir on nfs? |
| 09:43.12 | dutchfish | squisher, did you properly export your dir? |
| 09:43.31 | squisher | dutchfish: yeah, the thing is it used to work, but now I reinstalled the client, and it doesn't anymore |
| 09:44.05 | squisher | dutchfish: so I have a dir with perms 0770, the user is in the group, idmapd tells me that the gid is the same on the client and server and yet I get access denied |
| 09:44.06 | Yggdrasil | is xauth xbase-clients or xauth ? |
| 09:44.08 | Yggdrasil | uh |
| 09:44.18 | Yggdrasil | is xauth xbase-clients or xutils |
| 09:44.20 | Yggdrasil | sorry |
| 09:44.38 | squisher | Yggdrasil: install apt-file, it helps with such questions |
| 09:44.51 | dutchfish | squisher, check this: http://www.faqs.org/docs/Linux-HOWTO/NFS-HOWTO.html#CLIENT |
| 09:45.08 | Yggdrasil | k |
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| 09:45.36 | dutchfish | squisher, nfs uses local permission on the exported dir |
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| 09:46.30 | squisher | dutchfish: yeah, I know... but when I create a dir with same perms, owner and group on the local fs I can access it just fine |
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| 09:47.33 | dbmoodb | hello i have an ubuntu box here (7.10) - it is out of sync with my etch etch line up - is it possible to install debian etch and keep the stuff in my /home dir ? |
| 09:47.35 | dutchfish | squisher, whats the permisions on the remote of the dir you exported? |
| 09:47.46 | dbmoodb | without having to move the data some where first ? |
| 09:48.30 | squisher | dutchfish: it's 2770 |
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| 09:49.04 | squisher | dutchfish: just to clarify: I can access top-level of my exported dir just fine (which has access for others), but not a subdirectory |
| 09:49.27 | cahoot | dbmoodb: only if /home is on its own partition |
| 09:49.32 | dbmoodb | no its not |
| 09:49.47 | dbmoodb | got a way to back it up properly ? |
| 09:50.04 | dutchfish | squisher, subdirs need somthing like drwxrwxr-x |
| 09:50.08 | dbmoodb | like ah ... mmm what kind of tar command should i use to make sure i get the 45 gb into 40 lol |
| 09:50.34 | squisher | dutchfish: have a look at this please: http://paste.debian.net/43874 |
| 09:51.28 | squisher | dutchfish: where /tor is the exported directory on my server |
| 09:51.57 | dbmoodb | no no command ? |
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| 09:52.13 | dutchfish | squisher, you need something like /public 192.168.2.0/24(rw,sync,no_root_squash,no_subtree_check) in your /etc/exports |
| 09:52.57 | squisher | dutchfish: I have /nfs 10.10.10.0/24(rw,sync,fsid=0,crossmnt,no_subtree_check) |
| 09:53.11 | squisher | I don't need root access, so I skipped the no_root_squash |
| 09:53.19 | VI_Lenin | Hi people, can you please tell me if ntfsprogs ver.2.x deb package exists? I see only 1.13.x version with no write support. |
| 09:53.34 | dutchfish | squisher, think again ... |
| 09:53.56 | Yggdrasil | X11Forwarding yes |
| 09:53.56 | Yggdrasil | X11DisplayOffset 10 |
| 09:54.03 | squisher | dutchfish: well, can't see why I'd need it, but let me try it anyways :-) |
| 09:54.07 | Yggdrasil | anything else i need to add in there ? |
| 09:55.04 | Yggdrasil | dutchfish |
| 09:55.15 | Yggdrasil | /usr/bin/X11/xauth: error in locking authority file /home/yggdrasil/.Xauthority |
| 09:55.34 | dbmoodb | mmm i wonder how long this is going to take lol |
| 09:55.38 | dutchfish | Yggdrasil, permissions |
| 09:55.42 | Yggdrasil | hmm |
| 09:55.48 | dbmoodb | just put my 45 gb home folder into an gz file |
| 09:56.07 | squisher | dutchfish: well, now I can access the dir as root, but still not as my regular user... :-) |
| 09:56.37 | squisher | but my user should be able to too, he's in the correct group :-\ |
| 09:56.50 | Yggdrasil | dutchfish wich permissions? |
| 09:57.02 | Yggdrasil | sorry im trying here |
| 09:57.08 | dutchfish | squisher, what group is the user and what group are the subdirs ? ;) |
| 09:57.40 | squisher | dutchfish: user is in group media, dir has group media (id is 500 on both server and client) |
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| 09:58.08 | dutchfish | squisher, and what is the group mask of the dirs ;) |
| 09:58.12 | dbmoodb | ah people do you think tar.gz will reduce my 45 home folder to less than 38 gb ? |
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| 09:58.34 | dondelelcaro | dbmoodb: depends |
| 09:58.35 | squisher | dbmoodb: depends highly on the contents :) |
| 09:58.46 | dbmoodb | ah few movies, videos |
| 09:58.50 | squisher | dutchfish: group has rwx |
| 09:59.09 | squisher | dbmoodb: movies (as in divx etc) and mp3s compress pretty badly |
| 09:59.16 | dutchfish | squisher, try create a dir within root as the user ... tell me |
| 09:59.33 | dbmoodb | well ... what should i use to do this then ? |
| 09:59.55 | squisher | dbmoodb: you can't, really, AFAIK. Burn to DVD? |
| 10:00.02 | dbmoodb | 45gb ? |
| 10:00.25 | dbmoodb | fine i will not move the music across i will need to redo that |
| 10:00.43 | Yggdrasil | /usr/bin/X11/xauth: error in locking authority file /home/yggdrasil/.Xauthority |
| 10:00.43 | Yggdrasil | yggdrasil@Olya:~$ ls -l ./.Xauthority |
| 10:00.43 | Yggdrasil | -rw------- 1 yggdrasil yggdrasil 0 2006-10-23 07:33 ./.Xauthority |
| 10:00.45 | Yggdrasil | hmm... |
| 10:00.45 | squisher | dbmoodb: sorry, I don't think I have a good solution for that. Use a network drive, external hdd.... I don't know. Compressing probably won't work though, and will take a long long time to try |
| 10:01.15 | dbmoodb | ok sure |
| 10:02.06 | squisher | dutchfish: of course I can't create a dir as the user in root, because there I don't have permissions. But in the subdir 'pics', I do, I just can't cd into it :) |
| 10:02.48 | dutchfish | squisher, then you nead to set rx to others too, no other solution |
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| 10:03.03 | squisher | dutchfish: what are you talking about? |
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| 10:03.24 | dutchfish | squisher, drwxrwxr-x 46 nfsusers nfsusers 4096 2007-11-11 21:08 public |
| 10:04.01 | Yggdrasil | dutchfish what do you make of that ^^^? |
| 10:04.02 | squisher | I have a directory /tor/data/pics, which is drwxrws--- 82 root media ; if I'm in group media I should be able to cd into it, obviously |
| 10:04.24 | squisher | dutchfish: and I can cd just fine into /tor/data |
| 10:04.52 | veni | hi all |
| 10:04.53 | veni | what is the disfference between, updates done by update manager , and manually executing apt-get dist upgrade |
| 10:05.06 | dutchfish | squisher, no idee, but check carefully the user/group and related permissions |
| 10:05.07 | Yggdrasil | nothing ? |
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| 10:06.02 | DustyBin | how could i tell if my NIC supports jumbo frames? |
| 10:06.14 | squisher | dutchfish: thanks for trying to help... they're correct though, I'm sure of that |
| 10:06.26 | dutchfish | squisher, did you -hup nfsd on the nfsserver after the changes to /etc/exports |
| 10:06.44 | squisher | dutchfish: ran an exportfs -r |
| 10:07.06 | dutchfish | squisher, should ne enough |
| 10:07.13 | dutchfish | squisher, be* |
| 10:07.15 | Yggdrasil | well i give up |
| 10:07.24 | Yggdrasil | im gonna walk down there and type x11vnc -many |
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| 10:07.38 | squisher | DustyBin: look up the specs? |
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| 10:08.09 | pabix | Hello, could somebody tell me which packages are missing to have a nice core dump (I have an unstable version of Debian): http://rafb.net/p/WgGhju13.html |
| 10:08.20 | squisher | dutchfish: I should've mentioned this, but my problem might very well be nfs4 related :-\ Reason I'm going crazy is just b/c it used to work, damnit! |
| 10:08.54 | dutchfish | squisher, i am running nfs4 too on etch, thats should not be it |
| 10:08.58 | DustyBin | squisher: my NICs do support jumbo frames, how do i activate them? |
| 10:09.39 | DustyBin | mtu_eth0="9000" ? |
| 10:09.45 | squisher | DustyBin: AFAIK just set the mtu, yeah |
| 10:09.53 | dbmoodb | ok how can i move my /home folder to a separate partition then ? |
| 10:10.14 | squisher | dbmoodb: it's tough if you don't have enough free space |
| 10:10.19 | dbmoodb | i do |
| 10:10.30 | dbmoodb | have enough free space |
| 10:10.42 | dbmoodb | i could always just move the stuff around after doing a debian installation |
| 10:10.43 | dutchfish | DustyBin, i tried jumbo frames too, but its really dependet on your hardware, i was not lucky so far adn had to disable it again |
| 10:10.44 | squisher | dbmoodb: then use some software to resize your partitions, then you can create a new /home in that free space and copy things over |
| 10:10.59 | DustyBin | dutchfish: i have intel NICs what should be up for the job |
| 10:10.59 | dbmoodb | there isn't any easy way to do it in one step ? |
| 10:11.07 | dbmoodb | like move data located here to here and relable |
| 10:11.18 | squisher | DustyBin: I've tried it myself before too, but I never seemed to get it to actually send them |
| 10:11.24 | dutchfish | DustyBin, i have e1000 nics, but no cheese |
| 10:11.26 | valdyn | dbmoodb: make new /home, adjust fstab, reboot |
| 10:11.50 | DustyBin | ifconfig eth1 mtu 9000 <-- would this work? |
| 10:12.05 | squisher | DustyBin: it should, but for me it didn't :-) |
| 10:12.15 | dutchfish | DustyBin, if your switch plays along .... |
| 10:12.26 | DustyBin | my switch supports jumbo frames too |
| 10:12.38 | squisher | dutchfish: hmm, so on the client the only config should be mount line in /etc/fstab and /etc/idmapd.conf, right? |
| 10:12.50 | DustyBin | UP BROADCAST RUNNING MULTICAST MTU:9000 Metric:1 :D |
| 10:12.56 | valdyn | dbmoodb: but you have various more ways, like instead of making a new home you could create and mount a /home/user/movies/ |
| 10:13.12 | dbmoodb | eh |
| 10:13.26 | dbmoodb | i'm just moving it across to another disk minus some stuff |
| 10:13.36 | dutchfish | squisher, there is a excellent article on debianadministration.org ... have to run .. need to go... gl |
| 10:13.42 | dbmoodb | wait shit i think i added what i was going to leave out .... that ig going to fill that disk lol |
| 10:13.56 | dutchfish | laterz |
| 10:14.04 | dbmoodb | nope - it isn't lol |
| 10:14.20 | DustyBin | ok, before it was 683 Mbits/sec now its: |
| 10:14.21 | DustyBin | [ 3] 0.0-10.0 sec 858 MBytes 719 Mbits/sec |
| 10:14.25 | DustyBin | :D |
| 10:14.38 | DustyBin | not bad! |
| 10:14.50 | dbmoodb | moving what ? |
| 10:14.56 | DustyBin | just a iperf test |
| 10:15.03 | valdyn | DustyBin: and that sure is not a cache effect? |
| 10:15.04 | squisher | DustyBin: that's not much of an improvement... sorry to say that |
| 10:15.18 | dbmoodb | eh that is some improvement if you ask me |
| 10:15.18 | DustyBin | aye but its still pretty good for a home setup |
| 10:15.23 | valdyn | squisher: its huge for just adjusting frame size |
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| 10:16.13 | DustyBin | i tested iperf with a ethernet cross cable to bypass my switch, and found that my switch doesnt bottle neck at all |
| 10:16.17 | squisher | valdyn: 683 to 719? That's like 5%... would you really call that huge? |
| 10:16.26 | valdyn | squisher: no |
| 10:16.37 | valdyn | squisher: its a huge effect considering he only adjusted frame size |
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| 10:17.00 | valdyn | squisher: frame really takes 5%? im surprised. |
| 10:17.03 | DustyBin | ifconfig eth1 mtu 9000 <-- does this setting stay there even after a reboot? |
| 10:17.11 | valdyn | DustyBin: no |
| 10:17.42 | valdyn | DustyBin: /etc/network/interfaces, as post-up probably, read the manpage |
| 10:17.47 | DustyBin | ok |
| 10:17.53 | squisher | valdyn: hm, I expected much more to be honest... I thought jumbo frames were that important to getting gigabit throughput. I might be wrong, obviously... :) |
| 10:18.11 | squisher | valdyn: isn't there a direct setting in interfaces called 'mtu'? |
| 10:18.28 | valdyn | squisher: yea, maybe. |
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| 10:18.54 | dbmoodb | btw any tools to repartition from a mounted drive lol |
| 10:18.59 | DustyBin | http://www.debianhelp.co.uk/mtu.htm |
| 10:19.03 | valdyn | squisher: tcp header is what? 40 bytes, in an mta of 1000 that is 4% |
| 10:19.04 | dbmoodb | nm cya rebooting to start the moving |
| 10:19.09 | valdyn | squisher: tcp header is what? 40 bytes, in an mtu of 1000 that is 4% |
| 10:19.20 | valdyn | squisher: whatever it might really be - i dont know |
| 10:19.30 | DustyBin | dam "Warning: the following is mostly obsolete in Sid and Etch" |
| 10:19.44 | DustyBin | oh its ok |
| 10:19.54 | squisher | valdyn: yeah, thinking about it like that, you're definitely right... |
| 10:21.05 | DustyBin | ok im going to try with my cross cable again with mtu 9000 |
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| 10:21.43 | valdyn | or even bigger mtu, though with deminish returns |
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| 10:22.28 | squisher | but the switch is unlikely to support an mtu bigger than 9000 |
| 10:22.38 | Ranpha1 | Can somebody help me with fireholl i want to redirect a port 99 to internal ipadres XX.XX.XX.XX , which commandline do i need to put into firehol.conf? |
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| 10:23.03 | valdyn | Ranpha1: read the documentation? |
| 10:23.37 | Ranpha1 | valdyn yeah not making any sense here, it only talks about redriect all traffic (whihc i don't want) or change the port on the local machine |
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| 10:26.51 | DustyBin | with cross cable: |
| 10:26.59 | DustyBin | [ 3] 0.0-10.0 sec 874 MBytes 733 Mbits/sec |
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| 10:28.01 | DustyBin | without cross cable: [ 3] 0.0-10.0 sec 852 MBytes 714 Mbits/sec |
| 10:28.05 | DustyBin | so now, my switch IS the bottle neck... |
| 10:28.19 | DustyBin | bastard netgear |
| 10:29.09 | DustyBin | netgear has robbed me of 19 Mbits |
| 10:29.14 | DustyBin | bastards |
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| 10:32.00 | squisher | Ah, the pain |
| 10:32.13 | squisher | so around 4-5h of debugging nfs to find out the problem is what? |
| 10:32.21 | squisher | my user was in too many groups |
| 10:32.22 | squisher | great |
| 10:32.29 | squisher | this is sooooo stupid |
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| 10:32.34 | squisher | :-\ |
| 10:32.44 | eth01 | where can i deny IP'S? |
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| 10:33.22 | Ranpha1 | Can somebody help me with fireholl i want to redirect a port 99 to internal ipadres XX.XX.XX.XX , which commandline do i need to put into firehol.conf? |
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| 10:35.39 | DustyBin | ive now installed vserver on debian etch and created 2 guests, on one of the guests i tried to install xorg but it complained that there is no tty0 or /dev/mem is there a way i could create those files? |
| 10:36.25 | squisher | DustyBin: what's vserver? |
| 10:36.36 | DustyBin | http://linux-vserver.org/ |
| 10:36.36 | squisher | DustyBin: but my guess is that it's highly unlikely |
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| 10:37.04 | DustyBin | it says on a howto that it is possible but i just dont know how to create a tty0 |
| 10:37.22 | squisher | interesting |
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| 10:37.41 | squisher | are you running an x server on that machine right now? |
| 10:37.44 | DustyBin | i believe i might need to use the mknod command |
| 10:37.58 | DustyBin | i installed it but it says it cannot find tty0 and /dev/men |
| 10:38.00 | eth01 | where can i stop IP's accessing my debian box? i seem to be under some sort of attack here. |
| 10:38.03 | DustyBin | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:38.21 | DustyBin | it is possible otherwise somone wouldnt of written this |
| 10:38.22 | DustyBin | http://oldwiki.linux-vserver.org/Vservers+and+X |
| 10:38.28 | squisher | eth01: then unplug the cable, that's easiest. Otherwise look at the docs of your firewall |
| 10:39.07 | cahoot | what are the connectionattempts directed at? |
| 10:40.32 | squisher | DustyBin: mknod is pretty easy: so in that link it says it's major 4 for tty, so mknod /dev/tty0 c 4 0 would create the correct device |
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| 10:43.35 | DustyBin | are these CAP commands stuff what goes inside the kernel: http://paste.linux-noob.com/index.php?query=2412 |
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| 10:51.27 | jelly-home | !tzconfig |
| 10:51.27 | dpkg | i guess setting time is if you're using a coexisting DOS/Win on your x86, put UTC=no in /etc/default/rcS else put UTC=yes. use tzconfig to set the right timezone, then use date (man date) to set time (avoid doing that when precious applications are running, some might get confused). Now do hwclock --systohc if RTC is local, or hwclock --systohc --utc if UTC. Erase /etc/adjtime and repeat the previous command again. This prevents wrong time drift ... |
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| 10:54.50 | eth01 | are there are quick, easy-to-use, simple firewalls with apt-get? :) |
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| 10:55.14 | dad | hey, all! |
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| 10:59.38 | Ranpha1 | Can somebody help me with my firehol.conf? i got the NAT rule int which is the same as on firehol forum but still nothing happens |
| 11:05.25 | streuner | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:05.25 | dpkg | Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu (irc.freenode.net) instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. |
| 11:05.51 | liable | why? |
| 11:06.39 | streuner | use whois |
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| 11:17.17 | dad | hey! i'm trying to burn a cd (xcdroast, debian etch/sid) and i can't get an exclusive lock... any ideas? |
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| 11:21.26 | DustyDingo | hm strange, wasn't GNU locate part of findutils? |
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| 11:21.37 | DustyDingo | (unstable) |
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| 11:22.50 | dad | cahoot: i'm looking at it... |
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| 11:24.45 | gamag | doesn't Debian Etch 4.0 r0 CD has drivers for Gigabit ethernet card? |
| 11:26.09 | gamag | have* |
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| 11:27.23 | streuner | DustyBin: read its changelog about |
| 11:27.33 | streuner | DustyDingo: read its changelog about |
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| 11:29.45 | DustyBin | im having big problems trying to install the nvidia driver on a vserver kernel.. |
| 11:29.46 | streuner | DustyDingo: http://packages.debian.org/changelogs/pool/main/f/findutils/findutils_4.2.31-2/changelog |
| 11:29.57 | DustyBin | Bad kernel version specification at /usr/bin/m-a line 566, <$apt> line 4. |
| 11:30.07 | DustyBin | maybe vserver isnt the one for me after all :( |
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| 11:31.34 | Ranpha1 | Can somebody help me with a firehol NAT problem, everthing should work but it doesn't |
| 11:31.45 | bolt | is there any app in the repositories that can monitor a website for changes and somehow alert me when they change? |
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| 11:32.18 | bolt | Ranpha1: just state your exact problem, including what doesn't work as expected, what does work (if anything) and perhaps also paste your firewall script or other setup options in a pastebin |
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| 11:33.55 | Ranpha1 | http://pastebin.com/m1fb3e245 for the firehol script and i can't get NAT routing working. |
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| 11:35.42 | DustyBin | clear |
| 11:35.42 | DustyBin | ls -al |
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| 11:36.57 | Ranpha1 | Bolt I can't get NAT routing to work on my fire wall, this is the script http://pastebin.com/m1fb3e245 |
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| 11:38.09 | |Toast| | Hi, can anyone recommend a simple Wiki program for debian. It's for use by a small number of people, and needs to be easy to maintain. The one fancy thing that I would like is a calinder, but that's not vital, as I can just create a static one. |
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| 11:38.58 | beardy | |Toast|: apt-cache search wiki |
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| 11:39.08 | beardy | |Toast|: /msg dpkg search |
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| 11:39.56 | |Toast| | berdy: I can find any number of wiks out there, I was wondering if there are any that people would recommend! |
| 11:40.34 | DustyBin | how would one install the nvidia driver in xen, as there is no such thing as a xen-nvidia kernel? |
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| 11:42.29 | logd | hi what's wrong for printing process to take 10% cpu time ? |
| 11:42.32 | logd | 100 |
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| 11:43.04 | beardy | DustyBin: One wouldn't, since there would be no point. It is virtualized, and what matters is the driver you use on the host. |
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| 11:43.55 | webczat | hi |
| 11:43.55 | beardy | |Toast|: If you can find the names, search the web for comments about them. |
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| 11:44.54 | |Toast| | There were 3 that I was looking at, two of which have debian support. I'm doing that research at the moment. Thanks anyway. |
| 11:44.57 | beardy | |Toast|: If I were you, I would look for "small", "lightweight" and simillar in the descriptions of the packages, then check that list you get, for comments. |
| 11:45.28 | beardy | |Toast|: Ok, best of luck. I would recommend one, but I haven't maintained a wiki, so I can't. |
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| 11:46.39 | thehcdreamer | Hello, i'm trying to set up an rsa authentication to use with ssh on my remote machine with debian. I have put in the home folder .ssh/authorized_keys my public key but i'm not able to connect to the server. I think there's something wrong in my sshd config fiels. Can anyone please help to figure out what the problem is? the link to the file is http://pastie.caboo.se/124031 |
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| 11:48.20 | cahoot | thehcdreamer: sshd restarted after editing its config? |
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| 11:48.36 | thehcdreamer | yes with /etc/init.d/ssh restart |
| 11:48.43 | tchmnkyz | hey all, looking for some way to increase the number of file descriptors i set fs.file-max but it dont seem to help... i dont know why either... dovecot is still telling me that there is too many open files. anyone got a suggestion? |
| 11:49.09 | cahoot | thehcdreamer: try increasing the verbosity with ssh -vv or such |
| 11:49.11 | beardy | |Toast|: Two wikis run by people related to this channel runs moinmoin, if it means anything. |
| 11:49.37 | cahoot | thehcdreamer: btw you're sure you want root logins enabled? |
| 11:49.47 | thehcdreamer | mhm right now not |
| 11:49.58 | tchmnkyz | anyone? |
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| 11:50.20 | webczat | thehcdreamer: hmm: sif you connect with ssh to your server, ssh prompts you for a password? |
| 11:50.36 | cahoot | thehcdreamer: make sure you have correct perms on .ssh and the files thee |
| 11:50.37 | thehcdreamer | no but i can pastie the verbose of the command |
| 11:50.48 | thehcdreamer | i have set chmod 600 on that file |
| 11:50.58 | peppe | nope, the .ssh dir must be 600 |
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| 11:51.11 | webczat | have you .ssh/identity file with your rsa? |
| 11:51.11 | thehcdreamer | oh ok i'll try it |
| 11:51.23 | peppe | (on your remote host) |
| 11:51.29 | thehcdreamer | first i try t chmod 600 the directory |
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| 11:53.35 | thehcdreamer | ok setting the folder to 600 works, but it ask for the normal password not for the rsa password |
| 11:54.36 | cahoot | thehcdreamer: the pubkey got corrupted in transit? |
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| 11:55.40 | thehcdreamer | cahoot: can i post somewhere the verbose log or can it contain login informations? |
| 11:56.02 | tchmnkyz | please someone help |
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| 11:56.14 | becks` | hi, how can i lock a user in his home directory? |
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| 11:56.49 | narayan | how to play videos on ipod |
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| 11:56.57 | tchmnkyz | becks` lock it how |
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| 11:57.50 | peppe | thehcdreamer: just delete your "private" data before pasting it, hm? :) |
| 11:58.00 | thehcdreamer | cahoot: last lines: Authentications that can continue: publickey,password; debug1: Trying private key: /Users/oskar/.ssh/id_dsa; debug2: we did not send a packet, disable method |
| 11:58.00 | thehcdreamer | debug1: Next authentication method: password |
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| 11:58.59 | thehcdreamer | does the server ONLY need the .ssh/authorized_keys? |
| 11:59.05 | narayan | please hepl me 2 finish my task , how to upload videos on ipod |
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| 12:00.06 | DustyBin | beardy: im unable to install the nvidia driver on the host |
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| 12:00.39 | DustyBin | usually i use a nvidia-kernel-module, but because no vserver nvidia kernels exist i tried to compile it myself but i got this error: |
| 12:01.23 | DustyBin | Bad kernel version specification at /usr/bin/m-a line 566, <$apt> line 4. |
| 12:01.38 | peppe | thehcdreamer: yes, you've just to append you public key (~/.ssh/id_xxx.pub) to that file. that's it. |
| 12:01.57 | thehcdreamer | ok so i don't know what don't work |
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| 12:02.35 | peppe | thehcdreamer: run ssh -vv user@host and paste the output somewhere |
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| 12:04.39 | thehcdreamer | peppe http://pastie.caboo.se/124042 |
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| 12:06.25 | tchmnkyz- | <PROTECTED> |
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| 12:08.49 | peppe | thehcdreamer: 1) comment out the AuthorizedKeysFile in your sshd_config, the default is OK 2) has ~/.ssh/ of your client the right permissions? |
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| 12:09.56 | thehcdreamer | peppe thanks. What's the permission that my .ssh director should have? 600 like in the server? |
| 12:10.08 | peppe | thehcdreamer: I suppose yes |
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| 12:10.28 | DustyBin | beardy: its ok, i forgot to put non-free in sources.list |
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| 12:10.38 | DustyBin | ive successfully built the nvidia module :D |
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| 12:11.15 | cusco | cool |
| 12:12.24 | thehcdreamer | peppe i will try later thanksfor the support |
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| 12:17.37 | symtab | hello |
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| 12:18.12 | symtab | anyone that knows how to exclude some packages when running apt-get upgrade, but i want to exclude from a configuration file not every time i run apt-get upgrade |
| 12:18.13 | symtab | ? |
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| 12:20.22 | cusco | !tell symtab about hold |
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| 12:25.08 | friendlysys | does dovecot use Maildir ? |
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| 12:33.16 | asg | friendlysys: it can use it or mbox |
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| 12:34.22 | tchmnkyz- | oneone here able to help me with a too many open files problem? |
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| 12:35.27 | zamuro | !anyone |
| 12:35.27 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone uses <someprogram>. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use <someprogram>?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls> |
| 12:35.53 | DustyDingo | anyone familiar with graphik tablets? |
| 12:36.10 | tchmnkyz- | zamuro i did ask it once |
| 12:36.13 | DustyDingo | i got a wacom bamboo fun and compiled the newest drivers |
| 12:36.18 | zamuro | !tell DustyDingo about anyone |
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| 12:37.29 | DustyDingo | the kernel module is loaded correctly and i got some devices too, the tablet is mapped to /dev/input/mouse1 but i can't read any raw data from there |
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| 12:37.46 | tchmnkyz-- | hey all, looking for some way to increase the number of file descriptors i set fs.file-max but it dont seem to help... i dont know why either... dovecot is still telling me that there is too many open files. anyone got a suggestion? (round 2) |
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| 12:38.54 | DustyDingo | i also got /dev/input/event[0..7] devies, but ni raw data from the tablet there either |
| 12:39.19 | raboof | hi, I'm using exim on debian, and I've been unimpressed with thunderbird's spamfiltering mechanism |
| 12:39.28 | raboof | is there something I can easily plug into exim? |
| 12:39.35 | jahshua | hello |
| 12:39.50 | raboof | (thunderbird/icedove :) ) |
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| 12:42.31 | DustyBin | what does your monitor/tft appear as in /dev ? |
| 12:42.32 | jahshua | can anyone please remind me how to set my boot screen to be 1024x768 resolution please? |
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| 12:43.06 | jahshua | i have forgotten :( |
| 12:44.25 | cahoot | vga=791? |
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| 12:45.36 | jahshua | yes! |
| 12:46.08 | jahshua | thanks cahoot. |
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| 12:47.14 | anapivirtua__ | Hi world. |
| 12:48.25 | alaya | hi anapivirtua__ |
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| 12:54.51 | valdyn | tchmnkyz--: "cat /proc/sys/fs/file-max" |
| 12:55.48 | valdyn | raboof: spamassasin or (much smaller program) bogofilter |
| 12:56.41 | valdyn | raboof: thunderbirds mechanism is "just" a bayesian filter. It's as good as you teach it. |
| 12:56.57 | valdyn | raboof: ( same as bogofilter ) |
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| 13:16.47 | liable | !qotd0 |
| 13:16.47 | dpkg | <Guerin> JVaughn: it's probably bourbon. bourbon and whisky are different like knoppix and debian. |
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| 13:17.56 | raboof | valdyn: I don't know why, but I can't even seem to teach thunderbird that messages marked '***SPAM***' by one of my providers are spam :/ |
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| 13:18.32 | liable | thunderbird has been a little shit for me lately irt spam too |
| 13:19.17 | xand | (spam) filtering should be server side :o |
| 13:19.29 | raboof | yeah, but I'm running the server :) |
| 13:19.45 | liable | yeah, but some list admins for example suck at it |
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| 13:20.11 | xand | greylisting works wonders |
| 13:20.33 | liable | not the end all example though |
| 13:20.43 | xand | no |
| 13:20.50 | liable | it does stop a lot admittedly |
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| 13:22.49 | DawnLight | any idea what might be turning my x server's keyboard autorepeat off? |
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| 13:23.19 | liable | your desktop environment i guess |
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| 13:25.11 | DawnLight | liable: it gets turnd off after i tell kde to turn it on. not immediately. it is probably after i do a certain something. but i didn't get it so far |
| 13:25.49 | liable | DawnLight: its hard to try and debug things like that. asking kde people is the best bet |
| 13:26.06 | DawnLight | ah. will do |
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| 13:28.48 | SpeedyG | hi, is it possible to have locale-settings per-user? or are they global ? |
| 13:29.31 | cahoot | AFAIK you have diferent locales in different terminal |
| 13:29.54 | cahoot | meh - AFAIK you can have different locales in different terminals |
| 13:30.18 | SpeedyG | hm, and, how can I set them for $user#2 ? :) |
| 13:30.34 | cahoot | in his .profile or such? |
| 13:30.46 | SpeedyG | hm, lets see |
| 13:30.53 | SpeedyG | since I don't like dutch debian ;) |
| 13:31.02 | cahoot | neither do I |
| 13:31.13 | SpeedyG | but my dad in law doesnt like english |
| 13:31.17 | SpeedyG | so I set it to dutch for him |
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| 13:39.02 | SpeedyG | hm, where'd that .profile file be ? |
| 13:39.28 | dalias | ~ |
| 13:39.34 | SpeedyG | hm, can't find :( |
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| 13:40.48 | raboof | it doesn't have to be available for every user, but it'll be processed when it is |
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| 13:41.00 | raboof | 'man bash' has some words on it |
| 13:41.09 | asg | SpeedyG: read the INVOCATION section of your shell's manpage |
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| 13:45.31 | Aeroraptor | is there a way to boot/run an etch netinst ISO from a USB drive, and -not- prepare it in debian? |
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| 13:45.59 | Aeroraptor | I've read alot of guides that show you how with like, ubuntu and windows, but I'm not sure if they'd work with debian |
| 13:46.19 | rox | i am using the ipmasq package for NAT and it keeps writing traffic information to my console. Does anybody know how to silence it? |
| 13:47.10 | asg | Aeroraptor: read the install manual ... usb stick installs are addresed there |
| 13:47.19 | abrotman | !usb install |
| 13:47.19 | dpkg | i guess usb-install is Yes, it is possible to boot Debian from a USB stick (commonly referred to as a thumbdrive or usb key, among others) as long as your computer BIOS can boot from usb: http://d-i.pascal.at/ or http://wiki.debian.org/USB-HD_Boot_Full_Debian |
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| 13:47.40 | Aeroraptor | asg, yes, I see them, but I only see prep involving already having a debian system |
| 13:47.44 | Aeroraptor | which I -don't- |
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| 13:48.05 | Aeroraptor | so I'd like to be able to prepare the drive in windows |
| 13:48.57 | asg | Aeroraptor: well, essentially, you'd need to use rawrite or some dd(1) equivalent in windows to copy the uncompressed img.gz to the stick. |
| 13:49.20 | abrotman | cygwin ? |
| 13:49.34 | Aeroraptor | no not necessarily, I have cygwin though, it -might- work |
| 13:49.35 | asg | Aeroraptor: you could also use knoppix or some live-cd linux |
| 13:49.38 | abrotman | Aeroraptor: you could probably use a liveCD to do it |
| 13:49.48 | Aeroraptor | asg, that doesn't install debian ;) |
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| 13:49.59 | asg | Aeroraptor: no but it gives you tools to follow the install manual |
| 13:50.19 | asg | Aeroraptor: cygwin, though, should work as abrotman said |
| 13:50.31 | Aeroraptor | these are the kinds of windows guides I've been looking over - http://www.pendrivelinux.com/category/new-usb-linux-tutorials/ |
| 13:50.42 | abrotman | i thought the instructions needed some tool not in cygwin .. but you could check |
| 13:51.02 | valdyn | Aeroraptor: there'S a website that automagically installs debian from windows |
| 13:51.12 | Aeroraptor | valdyn, yeah? |
| 13:51.20 | Aeroraptor | hmmm... |
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| 13:51.48 | abrotman | valdyn: not on a pendrive ? |
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| 13:54.08 | xand | the lenny installer runs from windows doesn't it |
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| 13:57.11 | valdyn | Aeroraptor: http://goodbye-microsoft.com/ |
| 13:57.48 | Aeroraptor | would that put an install-able image on the boot disk? |
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| 13:58.05 | Aeroraptor | I'm doing this because I have a PC with no CD drive, so I have to boot it off a flash disk to install stuff |
| 13:58.21 | valdyn | Aeroraptor: it has no net access either? |
| 13:58.28 | Aeroraptor | it has a NIC, yes |
| 13:58.35 | Aeroraptor | but I have to boot it off something first ;) |
| 13:59.24 | valdyn | Aeroraptor: it doesnt have windows installed? |
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| 13:59.33 | Aeroraptor | valdyn, no |
| 13:59.39 | Aeroraptor | it has nothing installed |
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| 14:01.43 | abrotman | !rube goldberg install |
| 14:01.44 | dpkg | "Hi! I want to install Debian with a 2.6.x kernel on a machine, but I can't boot from floppies, and I can't boot from CD-ROM, and I have no network card. I have only a USB dot matrix printer and a punch card reader." |
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| 14:02.21 | abrotman | !usb install |
| 14:02.21 | dpkg | i heard usb-install is Yes, it is possible to boot Debian from a USB stick (commonly referred to as a thumbdrive or usb key, among others) as long as your computer BIOS can boot from usb: http://d-i.pascal.at/ or http://wiki.debian.org/USB-HD_Boot_Full_Debian |
| 14:02.28 | abrotman | Aeroraptor: i think the second tells you how to do it |
| 14:03.06 | dutchfish | !gbms |
| 14:03.07 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, gbms is http://goodbye-microsoft.com/ is the fast lane of installing debian stable from within the ms propriarity system. Fasten your seatbelts your are now leaving kansas, red shoes dont help anymore. and dont forget to read this fist: http://goodbye-microsoft.com/more.html, ask me also about debian-installer if this is to brute. |
| 14:03.08 | Insolit | guys i know this ain't a particular debian question, but i believe some of you might of come to a situation similar to mine. I have debian installed as main system in the first partitions of my HD, in a reiserfs partition. Now im trying to install a windows xp system in the 3rd partition, but when installing and formatting to ntfs that 3rd partition i get a message like "however this disk does not contain a windows xp-compatible partition" |
| 14:03.14 | abrotman | oh .. but that one requres a working linux system |
| 14:03.17 | Insolit | and that it can't write to the mbr |
| 14:03.24 | Insolit | any tips of how to solve this? |
| 14:03.38 | abrotman | ask ##windows ? |
| 14:03.38 | valdyn | plenty offtopic: http://valdyn.us.to/~valdyn/win-qemu-kvm.png |
| 14:04.25 | Insolit | abrotman: they know nothings, most of them don't even have linux, i bet there are more people here with linux+windows system, than there with a windows+linux system. |
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| 14:04.46 | asg | valdyn: I'd be curious to know exactly which devices it is installing |
| 14:04.47 | abrotman | Insolit: but you're asking about installing windows .. |
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| 14:05.20 | Insolit | i know abrotman but i thought that maybe you could have come to this situation, since most of you have linux as main system. |
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| 14:05.43 | valdyn | Insolit: on this system the installer just crashes. Windows is easily confused by partitions |
| 14:05.51 | valdyn | Insolit: there'S probably nothing you can do about that.. |
| 14:06.24 | valdyn | Insolit: or err, eh, fix the code, report a bug to the vendor, whatever |
| 14:06.36 | Insolit | besides installing windows in first partition probably :S |
| 14:07.50 | abrotman | i can't believe google doesn't ahve anything about this |
| 14:08.17 | asg | abrotman: when I met with google in Nashville, they were all running macs and didn't give a squat about windows |
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| 14:08.32 | abrotman | asg: i meant the search |
| 14:08.48 | abrotman | asg: i expect nothing more from google employees to be running a useless OS :) |
| 14:08.59 | asg | heh |
| 14:09.17 | liable | Insolit: make the partiton unformatted |
| 14:09.23 | liable | let windows do it |
| 14:09.29 | Insolit | i did that already |
| 14:09.33 | Insolit | my feeling is that |
| 14:09.33 | valdyn | Insolit: i got that idea.. |
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| 14:09.45 | valdyn | Insolit: you can _easily_ temporarily change the partition type id |
| 14:09.47 | Insolit | it need to write to the mbr in main partition |
| 14:09.54 | valdyn | Insolit: without loosing or reinstalling debian |
| 14:09.58 | liable | the mbr is sepreate |
| 14:10.07 | valdyn | Insolit: that should be what windows really is falling over, i would think |
| 14:10.14 | Insolit | the mbr always has the same size right? |
| 14:10.32 | Insolit | valdyn: how i do that? |
| 14:10.39 | valdyn | Insolit: fdisk,cfdisk |
| 14:10.51 | liable | yes, and windows will overwrite it |
| 14:11.05 | dutchfish | Insolit, mbr is NOT always same size |
| 14:11.06 | abrotman | Insolit: have you tried to delete the partitoin and make one from the free space ? |
| 14:11.21 | Insolit | abrotman: yeap |
| 14:11.39 | liable | dutchfish: i thought it was 512k? |
| 14:11.49 | Insolit | dutchfish: could it be that windows is trying to write to the MBR but it hasn't got enought space? |
| 14:11.52 | dutchfish | liable, yes, most of the time, but NOT always |
| 14:11.54 | valdyn | liable: if anything that would be sans "k" |
| 14:12.20 | abrotman | i see plenty of people that seem to be able to install windows on the non-first partition |
| 14:12.22 | liable | lets not split hairs |
| 14:12.41 | Insolit | valdyn: i'm in the fdisk |
| 14:12.49 | Insolit | you're telling me to change the id? |
| 14:12.56 | valdyn | Insolit: yea |
| 14:13.12 | Insolit | i don't seem to have that option |
| 14:13.21 | valdyn | Insolit: you do |
| 14:13.43 | valdyn | " t change a partition's system id" |
| 14:14.34 | dutchfish | abrotman, exactly, but if you use CS on your ata disks it expects it to be the first disk that contains the bootsector |
| 14:14.51 | valdyn | Insolit: you dont have more than 1 primary paritition, do you? |
| 14:14.57 | Insolit | no valdyn |
| 14:15.04 | valdyn | Insolit: ok, fine. |
| 14:15.11 | abrotman | dutchfish: see .. it's a #windows question :) |
| 14:15.23 | dutchfish | abrotman, :) aye |
| 14:15.35 | Insolit | valdyn: so i go to fdisk |
| 14:15.40 | Insolit | hit t |
| 14:15.52 | Insolit | select the partition where i want to install windows? |
| 14:16.47 | valdyn | Insolit: maybe, its just an idea, as i sais, trial and error, for you as for me. |
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| 14:24.18 | dutchfish | http://apcmag.com/5045/how_to_dual_boot_vista_with_linux |
| 14:24.55 | |Toast| | beardy:I had a look at MoinMoin as you suggested and it looks like just what I was looking for. I'll install that. Thanks again. |
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| 14:28.09 | seto1 | hi, I don't find how to run my gtk app with the good gtk theme without gnome/kde .. I use wmii windows manager .. and try switch gtk-chteme gtk-switch .. all .. but don't work with openoffice and firefox .. with xmms no problem |
| 14:28.27 | seto1 | under gnome my openoffice run with the good theme .. but without gnome no ! |
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| 14:31.21 | asg | seto1: http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Environment_Variables (there is an env variable you must set to force it) |
| 14:32.19 | mike1o | how come I get these errors when trying to run eclipse europa http://paste.debian.net/43880 ? is the a debian repository with eclipse europa in it? |
| 14:32.34 | phix | hihihihihi |
| 14:33.36 | dutchfish | mike1o, do you use etch, did you install from its repo, is ant cinfigured, do you use sun java? |
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| 14:33.51 | jordino9 | hey hey ! |
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| 14:34.32 | abrotman | mike1o: how is that an error ? |
| 14:34.41 | abrotman | oh .. duh |
| 14:34.46 | mike1o | dutchfish, I use eclipse 3.2 already... |
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| 14:34.51 | mike1o | all goes well |
| 14:35.03 | abrotman | mike1o: use apt-file .. find the libraries |
| 14:35.55 | dutchfish | mike1o, then you need at least configure work envirenment, and be sure you have the right prerequisites for running it under gnome |
| 14:35.56 | mike1o | abrotman, don't have that in my path actually |
| 14:36.12 | abrotman | install it ? |
| 14:36.12 | seto1 | asg: you don't know wich ? .. I allready try something with gtk2 .. but did'nt find on this page |
| 14:36.23 | mike1o | eheh :-) |
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| 14:37.33 | asg | seto1: I can't remember off the top of my head, sorry. |
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| 14:38.14 | dutchfish | mikelo is this etch? |
| 14:38.19 | mike1o | lenny |
| 14:38.52 | dutchfish | mikelo cant help you there |
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| 14:42.38 | abrotman | mike1o: find the libraries ? |
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| 14:45.54 | quitte | good morning. Is there a simple way like creating etc/nologin to prevet logins to prevent shutdowns? |
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| 14:46.23 | wols_ | quitte: huh? |
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| 14:46.36 | Terminus | hello. question, how much space does each inode take? |
| 14:46.40 | wols_ | if you prevent logins how could anyone use your machine? |
| 14:46.53 | wols_ | Terminus: why? |
| 14:47.07 | quitte | wols_: root can still login. also users that already logged in aren'T thrown out |
| 14:47.18 | dutchfish | mike1o, http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=451140 |
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| 14:47.32 | wols_ | quitte: check /etc/init.d/rmnologin |
| 14:47.55 | Terminus | wols_: just wondering coz i've almost filled my hard drive and i still have 60934289 inodes free. just wondering if i can cut that down and save some substantial space. |
| 14:48.20 | Terminus | wols_: i'm only using 128879 for 300GB of data |
| 14:48.20 | quitte | wols_: that won'T help. i just want to prevent users to shutdown the computer whil i'm doing administrative tasks remotely |
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| 14:48.45 | seto1 | asg: ok with OOO_FORCE_DESKTOP=gnome oowriter I have the theme thx |
| 14:49.02 | wols_ | quitte: if you find a way for people to use the powerbutton/powerplug you could get a nobel prize I guess |
| 14:49.09 | grub | is there any package for monitoring bandwidth usage per user on a system? ( also what applications, etc?) |
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| 14:49.30 | wols_ | *to not use |
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| 14:49.35 | quitte | wols_: they are intelligent enough not to force the machine of. they won't hold thebutton for 4 seconds |
| 14:50.03 | wols_ | then they are intelligent enough not to click on "shutdown" too |
| 14:50.03 | abrotman | quitte: so what are they doing ? how are they restarting it? |
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| 14:50.11 | dutchfish | wols_, was already typing .. i win ... ;) |
| 14:50.18 | abrotman | shutdown.allow ? |
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| 14:50.48 | quitte | abrotman: using gdm, acpi event through powerbutton or the menu in gnome |
| 14:50.56 | wols_ | quitte: but as I showed you, you can prevent people to login |
| 14:51.16 | abrotman | wols_: he wants to keep them from restarting .. not logging in |
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| 14:51.32 | quitte | wols_: i know that. but i don'T want to |
| 14:51.50 | SpeedyG | hey, I cant find how to setup language preferences per user, anyone know where a good how-to can be found, or anyone who can give me some tips on this ? |
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| 14:52.13 | quitte | abrotman: what is this shutdown.allow? |
| 14:52.23 | wols_ | SpeedyG: set the appropriate environmentvariable LANG on login |
| 14:52.25 | abrotman | quitte: man 8 shutdown |
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| 14:53.48 | quitte | abrotman: doesn't look like it does what i want. i'd need a shutdown.deny instead |
| 14:53.56 | abrotman | why? |
| 14:54.07 | wAndyw78 | Can someone provide a good link to an "Install debian on USB Flash with encryption" HowTo? I already found serveral, but some are very outdated (2005) |
| 14:54.13 | SpeedyG | wols_: problem is that it only asks to make it as system-default, or session-only, I want it to be user-based |
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| 14:54.17 | abrotman | quitte: aren't you the only one you want to be able to reboot it? |
| 14:54.49 | quitte | abrotman: no i just want to temporarily disable their abilityto shut it down while doing upgraes for example |
| 14:55.16 | wols_ | SpeedyG: change the variable for each user in each login script |
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| 14:55.38 | abrotman | quitte: man 8 shutdown .. see -c |
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| 14:55.49 | SpeedyG | wols_: while using bash, would that be .bash_profile ? |
| 14:56.13 | abrotman | quitte: quite honestly .. you'd have to login .. disable everything .. and then do your upgrade .. then turn it back on .. |
| 14:56.30 | dutchfish | /etc/inittab -> ca::ctrlaltdel:/bin/echo ?ctrl-alt-delete has been disabled? |
| 14:56.31 | abrotman | quitte: why are the users restarting the machines at all ? |
| 14:56.39 | elmo40 | SpeedyG: .bashrc changes how bash looks'n'feels. |
| 14:56.58 | quitte | abrotman: to save power |
| 14:57.13 | abrotman | they're restarting to save power ? |
| 14:57.20 | Ronin | ? |
| 14:57.22 | quitte | abrotman: no shutting down |
| 14:57.39 | elmo40 | quitte: what kind of power is there to save? You will be buying more hdd's in the short run due to all that shutdown-restart! |
| 14:58.03 | dutchfish | apps->gnome-session->options->logout_option to ?logout? instead of ?shutdown? |
| 14:58.05 | abrotman | so just temporarily create the shutdown.allow .. leave it empty (or put just root in it) .. do your upgrade .. remove the file ? |
| 14:58.49 | quitte | abrotman i'll give it a try. i hope gdm doesn't ignore it's presence |
| 14:59.06 | abrotman | quitte: that i can't guarantee .. but one would hpoe it honors it |
| 14:59.58 | quitte | if i understand the manpage correctly putting root in it will allow shutting down the machine for everybody as long as root is logged in |
| 15:01.03 | mike1o | dutchfish, I think I found something here http://www.eclipse.org/eclipse/development/readme_eclipse_3.3.html |
| 15:01.15 | dutchfish | chgrp admin /sbin/halt /sbin/shutdown && chmod 550 /sbin/halt /sbin/shutdown |
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| 15:02.20 | cyberix | Were should get-orig-source place the original archive it creates? |
| 15:02.36 | cyberix | In the debian directory? |
| 15:02.51 | dutchfish | mike1o, yes, still alot of issues, th emost graving one as par the link i priviously pasted |
| 15:02.57 | quitte | dutchfish: gdm is running as root |
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| 15:03.21 | dutchfish | quitte, oh ... mmmm |
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| 15:04.56 | abrotman | mike1o: did you get your libraries installed? |
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| 15:05.57 | boha__ | what packets do i need set up wireless conection |
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| 15:06.12 | boha__ | do i need madwifi-tools too ? |
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| 15:08.39 | wols_ | !tell boha__ about madwifi |
| 15:08.58 | garaguas | boha__:aptitude install wireless-tools |
| 15:08.59 | DawnLight | boha__: you need the right driver module for your chip |
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| 15:11.02 | boha__ | oh so that arre drivers for other wireless cards |
| 15:11.04 | garaguas | boha__: then with iwconfig, ifconfig and route you can do the trick |
| 15:11.23 | boha__ | i installed ipw3945 drivers |
| 15:11.57 | DawnLight | boha__: it is simpler then what garaguas said. how did you know to install that? |
| 15:12.16 | boha__ | um someone on this channel said so :) |
| 15:12.23 | DawnLight | garaguas: using ifupdown is easier |
| 15:12.26 | boha__ | now it recognise my wireless card |
| 15:12.38 | DawnLight | boha__: how did you install the module? |
| 15:12.50 | boha__ | 1 sec |
| 15:12.59 | garaguas | DawnLight: ok |
| 15:13.10 | boha__ | !ipw3945 |
| 15:13.10 | dpkg | If you're running a recent version of Debian (etch or greater), do the following: add <contrib> and <non-free> entries in your sources.list, "aptitude update; aptitude install ipw3945-modules-$(uname -r) firmware-ipw3945 ipw3945d". |
| 15:13.17 | boha__ | i used this command |
| 15:13.46 | boha__ | so do i need any additional tools or is this enought |
| 15:13.51 | garaguas | install to this others packages: aptitude install firmware-ipw3945 ipw3945d ipw3945-modules-$(uname -r) |
| 15:14.03 | DawnLight | boha__: please paste the outputs of 'ifconfig -a' and 'iwconfig' |
| 15:14.30 | boha__ | DawnLight, 1 sec, i will go on other computer |
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| 15:15.00 | elmo40 | garaguas: i didnt know apt accepted $() input... very good to know! :) |
| 15:15.20 | garaguas | elmo40: :) |
| 15:15.21 | DawnLight | elmo40: i think bash does that |
| 15:15.35 | elmo40 | DawnLight: makes more sense. |
| 15:15.38 | garaguas | DawnLight: i think too |
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| 15:15.50 | DawnLight | bash script are fun |
| 15:16.07 | elmo40 | very |
| 15:16.38 | elmo40 | so i guess it uses 'echo' for it? |
| 15:16.51 | b0ha | here is my ifconfig, iwconfig output: |
| 15:16.52 | b0ha | http://pastebin.com/m549bf675 |
| 15:17.34 | b0ha | i cant check if the thing is working, since im not near any wireless networks |
| 15:17.46 | dutchfish | i forgot the name of the package to kill all processes from a given user ... so to basically thow him out the graphical desktop |
| 15:17.48 | DawnLight | b0ha: do you see that eth1 seems to be your wireless interface? |
| 15:17.52 | SpeedyG | wols_: these login scripts, where can they be found ? |
| 15:17.58 | b0ha | DawnLight, yes |
| 15:18.11 | b0ha | DawnLight, but why is there interupt 17 |
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| 15:19.12 | DawnLight | b0ha: i don't know what that is. do you use some kind of network management tool? paste your /etc/network/interfaces |
| 15:20.25 | b0ha | DawnLight, http://pastebin.com/m1dc5f695 |
| 15:21.23 | b0ha | currently i have dsl connection |
| 15:21.32 | dutchfish | nvm it was slay |
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| 15:23.16 | garaguas | b0ha: what you get with iwlist eth1 ? |
| 15:24.08 | b0ha | iwlist: unknown command `eth1' (check 'iwlist --help'). |
| 15:24.10 | DawnLight | b0ha: http://pastebin.com/m2be91359 this is my interfaces file. ath0 is my wireless interface. the post-up and pre-down set up NAT for me. 'man interface' |
| 15:24.14 | mike1o | abrotman, libgtk-x11-2.0.so.0 exists in /usr/lib |
| 15:24.39 | abrotman | hrm |
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| 15:25.57 | DawnLight | b0ha: you have to run 'iwlist <interface> scanning' as root |
| 15:26.24 | babbage | Are there any convenient ways to have /usr mounted ro except during apt-get install/remove operations? |
| 15:26.38 | babbage | At the moment I have to remember to remount manually |
| 15:26.55 | b0ha | DawnLight, like this: boha@debian:~$ sudo iwlist eth1 scanning |
| 15:27.05 | b0ha | eth1 No scan results |
| 15:27.07 | dutchfish | babbage, you mean alter /etc/fstab ? |
| 15:27.42 | garaguas | boha__: oh, sorry, i miss scanning |
| 15:27.45 | SpeedyG | raah, this is really driving me nuts, where should I put per-user language settings in debian ? |
| 15:27.46 | asg | babbage: iirc, there used to be a way to do that via caling external hooks via apt-preferences |
| 15:28.03 | DawnLight | b0ha: do you have a wireless access point broadcasting in the area? |
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| 15:28.19 | b0ha | not right now |
| 15:28.25 | b0ha | i will try on monday |
| 15:28.30 | b0ha | maybe it will work |
| 15:28.37 | garaguas | b0ha: i think your wireless is working |
| 15:28.43 | abrotman | mike1o: maybe strace it and see where it's looking for it |
| 15:28.51 | b0ha | ok, i will report on monday |
| 15:28.57 | b0ha | thanks guys |
| 15:29.00 | DawnLight | b0ha: learn ifupdown |
| 15:29.01 | garaguas | b0ha: you need only an acces point |
| 15:29.30 | DawnLight | b0ha: /usr/share/doc/ifupdown/* |
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| 15:30.21 | SpeedyG | abrotman: can you tell me? where to put per-user language settings.. (or what to google for.. because i'm really lost here :| _ |
| 15:30.42 | babbage | asg: yes, I have a vague memory of that, too |
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| 15:31.52 | Terminus | whoa... 7GB difference between normal format and largefile format |
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| 15:32.15 | gamag | I have just installed Debian on acer PC, it is unable to connect to network. |
| 15:32.24 | gamag | it doesn't identify network cards at all. what to do? :-( |
| 15:32.53 | gamag | windows works fine and it shows the network driver installed to be: nvidia nforce networking controller |
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| 15:33.39 | abrotman | SpeedyG: in thier proilfe |
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| 15:34.03 | johndoe | gamag: which acer? |
| 15:34.37 | SpeedyG | abrotman: where should I find that profile? because I really have no clue atm :( |
| 15:34.43 | abrotman | in $HOME |
| 15:34.47 | gamag | johndoe: acer 4520 laptop |
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| 15:36.23 | johndoe | gamag: which kernel are you using? |
| 15:36.34 | gamag | I am using the Debian CD 4.0 r0 |
| 15:36.44 | gamag | i have installed Debian with it johndoe |
| 15:37.06 | johndoe | gamag: i presume youre on that laptop now, just in windows? |
| 15:37.18 | gamag | johndoe: no, I am no a different laptop now |
| 15:37.41 | dkdexter | hey, through gdebi i get this error "error: dependency is not satisfiable: libboost-date-time1.34.1" |
| 15:37.43 | johndoe | gamag: if you have access to the console, type uname -a and report |
| 15:37.50 | dkdexter | can someone help? |
| 15:37.53 | johndoe | gamag: the result |
| 15:37.58 | gamag | johndoe: ok just 2 minutes |
| 15:38.07 | mike1o | abrotman, I had downloaded the 32bit version :-) |
| 15:38.29 | SpeedyG | abrotman: would 'locale > .profile' be enough? or does the .profile file need to contain all thats also in /etc/profile ? |
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| 15:39.54 | gamag | johndoe: Linux gamag 2.6.18-4-amd64 #1 SMP CEST 2007 x86_64 GNU/Linux |
| 15:40.06 | gamag | johndoe: what do you suggest? |
| 15:40.19 | johndoe | gamag: youre using a tad older kernel |
| 15:40.23 | gamag | currently in Device section it is "nv" and "PCI 0:18:0" |
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| 15:40.30 | dutchfish | mikelo, i have eclipse 3.2 now runnig on my lenny laptop, although still lots of at.org.eclipse.ui.internal errors |
| 15:40.33 | johndoe | gamag: new kernel should fix it |
| 15:40.39 | gamag | johndoe: how can I bring a newer kernel on to this. it can't even connect to internet. |
| 15:40.53 | johndoe | gamag: usb? cd? |
| 15:41.17 | gamag | johndoe: could you just give an overview of the steps. I have never installed kernel myself with USB. always done through aptitude so far. |
| 15:41.44 | gamag | johndoe: also where should I download the kernel from and which version? is it available in Debian repo as .deb? |
| 15:42.12 | dutchfish | mike1o, from the org.eclipse.core.runtime.Plugin |
| 15:42.22 | johndoe | gamag: im dont know, i think someone who knows more should help |
| 15:42.35 | gamag | johndoe: thanks, I will wait. |
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| 15:42.59 | mike1o | dutchfish, im downloading my arch's version... ill let u know how it goes |
| 15:42.59 | johndoe | gamag: are the graphics ok? |
| 15:43.15 | gamag | johndoe: no, neither graphics nor network is ok |
| 15:43.25 | dutchfish | mike1o, using lenny sun-java6-jdk solved my problems |
| 15:43.31 | johndoe | gamag: i had the same problem, im using acer aspire 7520 |
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| 15:44.06 | mike1o | dutchfish, I have that |
| 15:44.12 | dutchfish | mike1o, it neither likes to be runned as root, just as a reminder |
| 15:44.18 | johndoe | gamag: newer kernel fixed the ethernet problem |
| 15:44.27 | johndoe | gamag: nvidia drivers fixed graphics |
| 15:44.35 | johndoe | gamag: and im currently working on wireless |
| 15:44.57 | mike1o | dutchfish, I want to try to run it from my home w/o installing it |
| 15:45.00 | gamag | johndoe: what's the difference between nvidia nforce and nvidia geforce drivers? |
| 15:45.03 | dutchfish | mike1o, gone try to fig out the plugin problems, the rest runs fine |
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| 15:45.18 | gamag | I understand I need nvidia GEForce 7000 drivers for graphics which I have already downloaded. |
| 15:45.25 | Nyle_ | Good morning |
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| 15:45.40 | johndoe | gamag: nforce is for ethernet or its the mainboard itself, while the other one is graphics |
| 15:45.42 | dutchfish | mike1o, i am talking about eclipse 3.2.1-6 |
| 15:45.46 | Joanh | I have a compaq c502us I want to install debian etch on it, does someone know if there are all the drivers for it? |
| 15:45.50 | mike1o | dutchfish, ok |
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| 15:45.57 | streuner | gamag: read wiki.d.o |
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| 15:46.50 | streuner | gamag: http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers |
| 15:46.55 | kbrooks | i want to see how much space all the packages installed on my system uses. |
| 15:47.02 | kbrooks | any hints? |
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| 15:47.19 | dutchfish | mike1o, got cvs also running now within eclipse |
| 15:47.23 | streuner | greycat something written |
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| 15:48.05 | dutchfish | mike1o, the plugin part is the culprit, its still b0rken |
| 15:48.11 | mike1o | dutchfish, im having some little problems with 3.2's plugins |
| 15:48.22 | dutchfish | mike1o, yup |
| 15:48.27 | johndoe | gamag: you can get graphics working(shitty, but its working) by putting vesa instead of nv in /etc/X11/xorg.conf |
| 15:49.28 | gamag | johndoe: let me try |
| 15:49.34 | gamag | i am doing just one line change from nv to vesa |
| 15:49.35 | dutchfish | mike1o, its known issue, look in the BTS |
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| 15:50.14 | streuner | kbrooks: hold on |
| 15:50.38 | johndoe | gamag: like this "nano /etc/X11/xorg.conf" |
| 15:51.00 | gamag | johndoe: did it with vi. :-) yes, the graphics works now but not as good as nv |
| 15:51.08 | johndoe | gamag: :-), im bad with vi |
| 15:51.19 | gamag | johndoe: any idea why nv doesn't work. it worked fine with my hp laptop |
| 15:51.33 | johndoe | gamag: i guess you need newer drivers |
| 15:52.12 | johndoe | gamag: i used this one NVIDIA-Linux-x86_64-100.14.19-pkg2.run |
| 15:52.14 | dutchfish | !tell DustyBin about mirrors ;) |
| 15:52.24 | DustyBin | aye i am using mirror |
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| 15:52.30 | DustyBin | just lots of problems |
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| 15:52.39 | dutchfish | DustyBin, oh? |
| 15:52.43 | streuner | kbrooks: http://wooledge.org/~greg/ds |
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| 15:53.15 | dutchfish | DustyBin, http://merkel.debian.org/~jeroen/mirrorstatus.html |
| 15:53.18 | kbrooks | streuner, ty! |
| 15:53.22 | DustyBin | v4l doesnt compile on 2.6.18-5 on debian etch |
| 15:53.32 | streuner | kbrooks: np |
| 15:53.39 | gamag | johndoe: could you please explain why a newer kernel can solve the problems? would the kernel itself would contain drivers. i thought drivers are separate from kernel and they are just kernel modules. |
| 15:53.55 | dutchfish | DustyBin, did you try backports latests? |
| 15:53.57 | mic_p | Hi all, I'm tring to setup php on my site, but after a apt-get install php5 and create a .php file with a simple php script, when I open browse and reqeust my script I see the sources :( What to try now? |
| 15:53.58 | johndoe | gamag: new kernel, new modules, new drivers |
| 15:53.59 | DustyBin | dutchfish: http://paste.linux-noob.com/index.php?query=2413 |
| 15:54.20 | johndoe | gamag: http://www.nvidia.com/object/unix.html |
| 15:54.30 | DustyBin | whats the point of using backports? might as well use testing, its about the same as using fedora |
| 15:54.43 | johndoe | gamag: use the http://www.nvidia.com/object/unix.html one |
| 15:54.46 | johndoe | oops |
| 15:55.00 | johndoe | gamag: 100.14.19 one |
| 15:55.05 | dutchfish | DustyBin, http://osdir.com/ml/kernel.commits.2-4/2003-01/msg00116.html |
| 15:56.11 | DustyBin | dutchfish: whats that for? |
| 15:56.18 | gamag | johndoe: why unix? why not linux 64 bit? |
| 15:56.41 | dutchfish | DustyBin, oops, my fault ... meant something else |
| 15:56.50 | DustyBin | what is the difference between bsd and linux? both platforms can do the same thing? |
| 15:56.59 | abrotman | mike1o: whoops |
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| 15:57.32 | Nyle_ | DustyBin: google for 'linux vs. bsd' |
| 15:57.36 | Nyle_ | hundreds of articles |
| 15:57.50 | mike1o | abrotman, I didn't think arch would make a difference since it's java... but apparently th gtk's are different |
| 15:58.01 | abrotman | DustyBin: that's like asking the difference between windows and linux |
| 15:58.07 | abrotman | mike1o: ah .. yeah :) |
| 15:58.18 | dalias | dustybin, thats like asking "what's the difference between a uhaul and a mercedes? both can be driven on roads..." |
| 15:58.34 | DustyBin | the same like the same thing to me |
| 15:58.36 | DustyBin | they |
| 15:58.38 | DustyBin | seem |
| 15:58.43 | abrotman | anything else? |
| 15:58.55 | dalias | both have steering wheels, brake and accelerator pedals, etc. |
| 15:58.57 | Nyle_ | DustyBin: do what i said |
| 15:59.00 | DustyBin | ok |
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| 15:59.13 | dutchfish | DustyBin, cant find it again, but you might want to start here http://svn.debian.org/wsvn/pkg-multimedia/?sc=1&rev=793 |
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| 15:59.20 | DustyBin | aye thanks |
| 15:59.34 | dalias | to answer the question, really it should be broken down into "gnu vs bsd userspace" and "linux vs bsd kernel" |
| 15:59.49 | dalias | because these are two major separate areas of difference |
| 16:00.50 | abrotman | SpeedyG: did you find it? |
| 16:00.58 | SpeedyG | abrotman: yeah, finally :( |
| 16:01.05 | SpeedyG | been messing with this for a few hours nwo :( |
| 16:01.05 | abrotman | ok |
| 16:01.09 | Nyle_ | BSD is what you get when a bunch of Unix hackers sit down to try to port a Unix system to the PC. Linux is what you get when a bunch of PC hackers sit down and try to write a Unix system for the PC. |
| 16:01.20 | abrotman | except linux isn't a unix |
| 16:01.21 | dalias | lmao |
| 16:01.26 | Nyle_ | one is an actual unix port |
| 16:01.29 | Nyle_ | one is a unix like os |
| 16:01.30 | dalias | nyle, that's beautiful |
| 16:01.47 | dalias | not quite accurate, but beautiful |
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| 16:02.01 | Nyle_ | :) |
| 16:03.13 | dalias | from a practical standpoint, linux has more gimmicky features, performance tuning, and user hardware support, while bsd is more robustness-oriented |
| 16:03.57 | abrotman | i'd say bsd has more tuning |
| 16:04.07 | abrotman | and bsd has some hardware support linux doesn't |
| 16:04.07 | DustyBin | bsd uses packet filtering technology what is better than linux netfilter technology? |
| 16:04.32 | dalias | abrotman, depends on what you mean |
| 16:04.38 | dalias | netbsd supports more archs, yes |
| 16:04.40 | dutchfish | bsd is great on firewalls, but lacks other things |
| 16:04.45 | abrotman | no .. i meant actual devices |
| 16:04.51 | Nyle_ | you have to decide what is better for the time |
| 16:04.51 | dalias | but linux has the most support for idiotic user hardware i think |
| 16:04.55 | Nyle_ | there is no universal OS |
| 16:05.02 | abrotman | debian! |
| 16:05.02 | Nyle_ | everything has a time and place |
| 16:05.12 | Nyle_ | I personally would always chose linux over bsd |
| 16:05.14 | abrotman | DustyBin: FWIW .. debian can be run on a bsd kernel |
| 16:05.30 | Nyle_ | I have many reaons, some of them are shared by many, some are made fun of |
| 16:05.33 | Eclipser | every OS sucks |
| 16:05.35 | abrotman | !debian bsd |
| 16:05.35 | dpkg | it has been said that debian bsd is a port of Debian to the FreeBSD and NetBSD kernels, using either a native BSD C library or Glibc. See http://www.debian.org/ports/netbsd and http://www.debian.org/ports/freebsd/, or ask me about debian gnu/kfreebsd |
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| 16:05.38 | gamag | what is the file system for cdrom: mount -t ??? /dev/cdrom /media/cdrom |
| 16:05.50 | abrotman | iso9660 usually |
| 16:05.51 | asg | gamag: iso9660 |
| 16:05.54 | dalias | abrotman, re: tuning, netbsd kernel is legible code that does things in the obvious trivial ways. linux is a huge mess of microoptimization. |
| 16:05.54 | Nyle_ | Eclipser: Operating Systems don't suck, people do. |
| 16:06.08 | Eclipser | Nyle_, OS's too |
| 16:06.15 | abrotman | dalias: i meant more fbsd than generic bsd for tuning |
| 16:06.16 | kbrooks | Nyle_, really? |
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| 16:06.32 | dalias | abrotman, ahh. i haven't had the misfortune to RTFS freebsd.. :) |
| 16:06.35 | Nyle_ | thats fine and dandy |
| 16:06.41 | Nyle_ | but I'd rather use linux |
| 16:06.52 | Nyle_ | the actual linux kernel and not just debian for netbsd |
| 16:06.55 | dutchfish | Nyle_, me too |
| 16:07.01 | gamag | i have inserted my cdrom, but I can't see any /dev/cdrom. |
| 16:07.12 | Nyle_ | gamag: you maybe need to mound it |
| 16:07.14 | Nyle_ | mount |
| 16:07.17 | Nyle_ | !mount |
| 16:07.17 | dpkg | i heard mount is a command used to mount a device to the local filesystem |
| 16:07.20 | Nyle_ | lol |
| 16:07.21 | gamag | but to mount, I need to see /dev/cdrom |
| 16:07.29 | Nyle_ | gamag: maybe the symlink don't exist? |
| 16:07.32 | dalias | nyle, going just by your poetic description of linux vs bsd, i would never touch linux :P |
| 16:07.36 | Nyle_ | gamag: try /dev/hdX |
| 16:07.57 | abrotman | gamag: no .. you don't need /dev/cdrom .. /dev/cdrom is a symlink to a real device |
| 16:07.58 | Nyle_ | gamag: when you find out which device node it is, you can make a symlink to point to it like /dev/dvdrom points to your dvd drive like /dev/hda |
| 16:07.59 | gamag | no output for ls /dev/hd* |
| 16:08.01 | Nyle_ | etc. etc. |
| 16:08.04 | dalias | pc hackers = totally unqualified to write an os :) |
| 16:08.12 | abrotman | lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 3 2007-12-01 03:36 /dev/cdrom -> hdc |
| 16:08.16 | Nyle_ | dalias: yet we're here |
| 16:08.18 | Nyle_ | :) |
| 16:08.19 | dutchfish | dalias, not would i install bsd as a corporate server environment |
| 16:08.26 | Nyle_ | nor* |
| 16:08.27 | cusco | gamag: try /dev/scd0 |
| 16:08.36 | Nyle_ | gamag: you have a sata then |
| 16:08.37 | dutchfish | Nyle_, thx nor* |
| 16:08.43 | dalias | dutchfish, bsd is actually capable of doing backups while online |
| 16:08.43 | Nyle_ | cusco: nm you got it |
| 16:08.44 | abrotman | dalias: that's not true .. they can write an OS .. just depends how usable you want it to be |
| 16:09.06 | dalias | abrotman, by qualified i mean able to make something of sufficient robustness |
| 16:09.30 | gamag | cusco: no output for sc* |
| 16:09.31 | Nyle_ | you can also just chek dmesg |
| 16:09.40 | Nyle_ | see exatly which node was asisgned to which device |
| 16:09.41 | abrotman | dalias: i would imagine there have been a large number of PC hackers working on all kinds of OS ... commercial unix and "hobbyist" OS |
| 16:09.46 | dalias | all os's, even for(;;); are equal if robustness is not considered :) |
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| 16:10.12 | dalias | oddly that reminds me of the code for a popular pc os... |
| 16:10.15 | Nyle_ | man debian developers are awesome |
| 16:10.28 | Nyle_ | i met a few of them last night |
| 16:10.29 | cusco | gamag: lsmod|grep cdrom |
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| 16:10.55 | dalias | anyway for laziness' sake i'd use debian stable for a corporate server :) |
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| 16:11.12 | dalias | but if i wanted something with hardcore robustness i'd go for a bsd i think |
| 16:11.12 | dutchfish | !confort dalias |
| 16:11.12 | dpkg | There, there, dutchfish. dalias will give a spelling checker for your birthday. |
| 16:11.23 | cusco | lol |
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| 16:11.39 | Nyle_ | lol |
| 16:11.42 | dalias | eh? |
| 16:11.42 | dutchfish | !comfort dalias |
| 16:11.42 | dpkg | There, there, dalias. It's OK. I'm here for you. |
| 16:11.49 | gamag | cusco: no output for lsmod | grep cdrom |
| 16:11.51 | dalias | hahaha |
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| 16:11.52 | gamag | nothing in dmesg too |
| 16:12.04 | cusco | gamag: thats bad.... |
| 16:12.05 | Nyle_ | dalias: Cartman's Christian rock band |
| 16:12.14 | kbrooks | vrms says for 7 pkgs "(...) (dei) (...)" what does dei mean |
| 16:12.15 | dalias | ? |
| 16:12.39 | dutchfish | dalias, ever tried as a mild dislectic person to oparate on freebsd, i prefer debian ;) |
| 16:13.17 | abrotman | gamag: dmesg | grep -i cd .. see anything ? |
| 16:13.18 | cusco | gamag: modprobe cdrom |
| 16:13.19 | cusco | ? |
| 16:13.29 | abrotman | gamag: did you compile your own kernel ? |
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| 16:13.55 | dutchfish | ok, guys, time is up for today, may debian grows even better then it already is ;) |
| 16:13.56 | gamag | abrotman: no. it is a new laptop and I have just installed debian from Debian Etch 4.0 r0 CD1 |
| 16:14.10 | Nyle_ | dutchfish: have a good one |
| 16:14.12 | abrotman | gamag: dmesg | grep -i cd |
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| 16:14.27 | johndoe | gamag: your cd-rom doesnt work either? |
| 16:14.29 | gamag | abrotman: lots of ohci_hcd lines and usb41, usb1-3 lines |
| 16:14.41 | abrotman | gamag: no CD lines ? |
| 16:14.43 | gamag | johndoe: no, it just doesn't react at all if I insert the cd |
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| 16:14.55 | johndoe | gamag: boot from the installation CD |
| 16:14.57 | abrotman | gamag: lspci .. can you find your controller ? |
| 16:14.58 | gamag | abrotman: no, nothing in in dmesg too |
| 16:15.00 | johndoe | gamag: then mount |
| 16:15.25 | gamag | abrotman: lspci | grep cd - no output |
| 16:15.29 | johndoe | gamag: that way you will have a working cdrom and you can transfer files to disk, then reboot |
| 16:15.39 | abrotman | gamag: it wouldn't ahve CD in it |
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| 16:15.59 | johndoe | gamag: thats how i did it |
| 16:16.03 | Mary | Êõì... Åñòü êòî íèòü èç Ìîñêâû?:) |
| 16:16.03 | gamag | abrotman: it has a CD inside it. |
| 16:16.19 | abrotman | gamag: yes .. but that doesn't help .. where's the device ... |
| 16:16.26 | abrotman | gamag: i want to know hte device controller |
| 16:16.33 | gamag | would this help:- http://packages.debian.org/sid/linux-image-2.6.22-3-amd64 ? |
| 16:16.35 | xand | how can I make ssh client ignore this: Warning: the RSA host key for 'blah.blah' differs from the key for the IP address '1.2.3.4'? |
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| 16:16.39 | johndoe | gamag: yes |
| 16:16.41 | gamag | should I transfer this with an USB device and try installing? |
| 16:16.45 | gamag | let me try. |
| 16:16.46 | xand | !ru |
| 16:16.46 | dpkg | somebody said ru was Russian speakers, please use (Pogalujsta, zajdite na) (Pazhaluista, zahodite na) #debian-russian @ irc.freenode.net |
| 16:16.47 | abrotman | gamag: wait |
| 16:16.50 | johndoe | gamag: but dont use sid, use lenny |
| 16:16.51 | abrotman | gamag: do NOT use that |
| 16:16.51 | beardy | DustyBin: Ah, ok. (nvidia driver on host) |
| 16:16.52 | gamag | i hope there wouldn't be lots of dependencies |
| 16:16.58 | gamag | johndoe: ok |
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| 16:17.01 | dalias | xand, you should NOT ignore that |
| 16:17.02 | gamag | abrotman: then what to do? |
| 16:17.06 | xand | dalias: I need to |
| 16:17.08 | abrotman | gamag: you have network right? |
| 16:17.15 | dalias | xand, remove the outdated key |
| 16:17.15 | johndoe | abrotman: no, he doesnt |
| 16:17.18 | TrueDD | Hi all |
| 16:17.19 | gamag | abrotman: no it doesn't recognize ethernet card too |
| 16:17.28 | abrotman | gamag: how old is this laptop ? |
| 16:17.29 | gamag | my current pc has network but not the target laptop |
| 16:17.30 | xand | dalias: there isn't one... two ssh servers on the same IP address |
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| 16:17.34 | dalias | from ~/.ssh/known_hosts |
| 16:17.42 | gamag | abrotman: absolutely new. released by acer in august 2007, acert 4520 |
| 16:17.44 | gamag | i bought it today |
| 16:17.48 | abrotman | !d-i gamag |
| 16:17.48 | dpkg | gamag, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/debian-installer/ Or http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ (if you've got hardware that the 4.0r0 installer doesn't support) for your own good, and everyone else's. |
| 16:17.52 | abrotman | use the second URL |
| 16:17.54 | xand | it can still check the key for the hostname |
| 16:17.57 | abrotman | get either i386 or amd64 |
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| 16:18.04 | dalias | xand, can't it include the port number too? |
| 16:18.06 | dalias | iirc it does |
| 16:18.11 | xand | does it? |
| 16:18.19 | dalias | i think so |
| 16:18.40 | Nyle_ | you do |
| 16:18.43 | Nyle_ | you actually think? |
| 16:18.51 | Nyle_ | ZOMG! |
| 16:19.00 | Nyle_ | :P |
| 16:19.13 | xand | dalias: it does not include the port number |
| 16:19.24 | dalias | do you run the server? |
| 16:19.27 | xand | yes |
| 16:19.27 | abrotman | xand: delete the offending key |
| 16:19.33 | abrotman | !tell Zenobia about root |
| 16:19.36 | gamag | abrotman: http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/weekly-builds/amd64/iso-cd/ has nothing |
| 16:19.38 | asg | Nyle_: you can't question someone's intellect and then use ZOMG and remain consistent ;) |
| 16:19.39 | dalias | then make both servers use the same host key.. |
| 16:19.44 | xand | hm |
| 16:19.47 | abrotman | gamag: get the netinst .. not CD1 |
| 16:19.54 | xand | dalias: didn't think of that ;) |
| 16:20.18 | dalias | its called a "host" key not a "daemon" key :) |
| 16:20.26 | Nyle_ | asg: awe c'mon |
| 16:20.41 | Nyle_ | asg: that was supposed to be a joke so its ok |
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| 16:20.55 | asg | Nyle_: as was mine :) |
| 16:21.06 | gamag | abrotman: so I have to install debian once again from the network using netinst? |
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| 16:21.10 | Nyle_ | asg: the winking smiley gave it away |
| 16:21.16 | Nyle_ | asg: I was aware :) |
| 16:21.21 | asg | !qotd58 |
| 16:21.21 | dpkg | <Zap-W> what is DD <greycat> ~DD <dpkg> it has been said that dd is a Debian Developer <Zap-W> KK <Zap-W> why the abriviation <lazarus> Zap-W: why any abbreviation? to shorten! <Zap-W> lazarus: it alienates ppl <greycat> Zap-W: you can't complain about abbreviations AND THEN USE THEM in the same sentence. <Zap-W> suck bananas <asg> ~fruitsmite Zap-W * dpkg smites Zap-W with a dozen pineapples |
| 16:21.25 | abrotman | gamag: the other option is to use etch with a backport |
| 16:21.28 | xand | do I have change all of "ssh_host_dsa_key ssh_host_dsa_key.pub ssh_host_key ssh_host_key.pub ssh_host_rsa_key ssh_host_rsa_key.pub"? |
| 16:22.41 | gamag | linux-kernel-image would be in which category of http://packages.debian.org/lenny/ |
| 16:22.48 | abrotman | gamag: just hold on a moment |
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| 16:22.56 | xand | gamag: none of them as that's the wrong name |
| 16:22.57 | gamag | abrotman: ok |
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| 16:23.09 | abrotman | gamag: you've got two options .. use the lenny netinst .. or use a custom etch netinst with a backported kernel |
| 16:23.24 | abrotman | gamag: trying to download file by file lenny's kernel .. is a pain |
| 16:23.29 | gamag | abrotman: i have a shitty bandwidth. it would take days to do network installation |
| 16:23.38 | johndoe | gamag: http://packages.debian.org/lenny/linux-image-2.6.22-3-amd64 |
| 16:23.41 | abrotman | gamag: how shity is shitty? |
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| 16:23.56 | marat | good evening all! |
| 16:23.56 | abrotman | gamag: i've done a netinst over dialup :) |
| 16:24.02 | Nyle_ | I love my keyboard |
| 16:24.03 | gamag | abrotman: 64 kbps |
| 16:24.10 | Nyle_ | marat: morning |
| 16:24.13 | gamag | abrotman: let me try then |
| 16:24.16 | abrotman | gamag: are you planning to use gnome/kde? |
| 16:24.24 | gamag | abrotman: gnome |
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| 16:24.33 | marat | Nyle_: we're all right, for me evening, for you morning :) |
| 16:24.36 | abrotman | gamag: you have nowhere to get fast bandwidth? |
| 16:25.18 | abrotman | gamag: you could try the etch unofficial installer .. you could use it's kernel .. and the CD1 you already have |
| 16:25.19 | gamag | abrotman: I can. there is another problem. how would I start netint because Debian 4.0 r0 CD can't recognize ethernet card |
| 16:25.28 | Nyle_ | marat: where are you from? |
| 16:25.31 | abrotman | its |
| 16:25.36 | abrotman | damn apostrophes |
| 16:25.48 | gamag | it's? |
| 16:26.06 | johndoe | gamag: lennys netinst can, i did that too |
| 16:26.07 | abrotman | gamag: you already have etch CD1 right? |
| 16:26.14 | gamag | abrotman: yes |
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| 16:26.25 | abrotman | gamag: and that's what you actually want to run on your laptop? |
| 16:26.33 | gamag | yes |
| 16:26.38 | abrotman | !kmuto |
| 16:26.39 | dpkg | For etch (or sarge) with up-to-date kernels, see http://kmuto.jp/debian/d-i/ |
| 16:26.40 | gamag | abrotman: when I start the CD and it takes me through the step, in the first few steps it says, that it could not find any ethernet |
| 16:27.18 | johndoe | gamag: the old kernel doesnt have your ethernet supported |
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| 16:27.23 | abrotman | gamag: you can try one of those kmuto installers .. you use that to install the system (hopefully getting CD/network) .. then have it scan your CD1 and then use all the rest of those packages |
| 16:27.24 | johndoe | gamag: the new one has |
| 16:27.26 | marat | i have a dual boot laptop: windows and debian. i tried to reinstall windows, but in the middle of installation i had to stop. But i had already formatted windows partition. after that i set grub. Now when i choose linux it says cannot mount windows partition. i don't know what to do. |
| 16:27.32 | marat | Nyle_: ukraine |
| 16:27.53 | abrotman | marat: finish installing windows? |
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| 16:28.08 | marat | abrotman: no, my disk was broken |
| 16:28.12 | abrotman | ew |
| 16:28.17 | marat | *installation disk |
| 16:28.23 | johndoe | lol |
| 16:28.24 | Nyle_ | marat: give me a minute |
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| 16:28.32 | marat | Nyle_: ok :) |
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| 16:28.49 | johndoe | marat: why does linux need to mount windows ?? |
| 16:29.10 | Nyle_ | marat: you reinstalled windows, and you still have the debian boot loader on the mbr? |
| 16:29.30 | marat | johndoe: it doesn't say windows, it says only the partition where windows was installed |
| 16:29.32 | Nyle_ | that doesn't seem possible, windows first task is to take ove the mbr so it can boot the installation |
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| 16:29.45 | Nyle_ | marat: how do you still have grub |
| 16:29.55 | Nyle_ | did you reinstall grub on the mbr |
| 16:30.12 | marat | Nyle_: i booted from cd (DSL) and configured grub |
| 16:30.13 | abrotman | hi .. windows broken .. |
| 16:30.17 | Nyle_ | marat: ok |
| 16:30.19 | marat | Nyle_: yes |
| 16:30.27 | Nyle_ | marat: now you might try in debian as root, update-grub |
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| 16:30.42 | Nyle_ | save a copy of /boot/grub/menu.lst and diff it later |
| 16:31.00 | Nyle_ | or just look at the bottom of the file you'll see if windows was detected |
| 16:31.08 | Nyle_ | if not you might have to manually create that entry |
| 16:31.33 | Nyle_ | but windows is only half installed as you said, so how exactly are you going to use it even if you do boot it |
| 16:31.37 | johndoe | !tell marat about windows |
| 16:31.44 | Nyle_ | !windows |
| 16:31.44 | dpkg | PCs are like air conditioners, if you open Windows(R) they don't work. |
| 16:32.26 | marat | Nyle_: im going to buy a new pirate windows and install it. :) |
| 16:32.41 | marat | Nyle_: i just want my debian back |
| 16:32.42 | johndoe | marat: why buy, cant you download it somewhere or borrow it from a friend? |
| 16:33.44 | Nyle_ | marat: I thought you had debian back |
| 16:33.45 | marat | johndoe: good point, i didn't think about it :) sure. i'll download then. But for that i need my debian ;) |
| 16:33.49 | kbrooks | excuse me everyone. debian is about the free software movement. in order for the movement t o be successful, we cannot be hypocritical |
| 16:34.11 | marat | Nyle_: no, im at my desktop (which doesn't have cd drive) :D |
| 16:34.14 | Nyle_ | in fact this is p iracy related talk |
| 16:34.17 | johndoe | kbrooks: what do you mean? |
| 16:34.26 | Nyle_ | you guys can take this to /msg or #somewhereelse |
| 16:34.42 | expose | when running "aptitude install kpdf" why is kghostview installed as "automatic: no"? |
| 16:34.51 | kbrooks | johndo Nyle_ |
| 16:34.54 | kbrooks | er |
| 16:35.05 | expose | (neither was installed before) |
| 16:35.05 | kbrooks | johndoe, see what Nyle_ said |
| 16:35.06 | abrotman | marat: use a liveCD .. boot.. chroot into debian .. update-grub .. try debian |
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| 16:35.53 | marat | abrotman: what does chroot into debian mean? |
| 16:36.01 | abrotman | man chroot |
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| 16:36.09 | Nyle_ | !chroot |
| 16:36.09 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, chroot is a way to change the root directory of a process, see also http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-tips.en.html#s-chroot |
| 16:36.21 | marat | abrotman: ok :) |
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| 16:36.36 | abrotman | yay .. back on ignore! |
| 16:36.49 | johndoe | lol |
| 16:36.59 | marat | ok, gentlemen, you're like my co-worker who always directs me to man, info :D |
| 16:37.31 | grendal_prime | anyone know if there are x11 libs for a palm os5? |
| 16:37.46 | abrotman | grendal_prime: isn't there a #palm ? |
| 16:37.54 | grendal_prime | i asked there |
| 16:37.57 | grendal_prime | no answer |
| 16:38.08 | abrotman | so what makes you think it's okay to ask here? |
| 16:38.17 | abrotman | grendal_prime: there is also #xorg and #xfree86 |
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| 16:38.30 | grendal_prime | thus far...and debian people tend do well...i dont know alot of things other distros cant do |
| 16:38.40 | grendal_prime | good point on the xorg though |
| 16:38.43 | xoz | grendal_prime: google |
| 16:38.58 | grendal_prime | i tried google xoz nothing of any merrit |
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| 16:40.16 | gamag | on windows it shows the driver for DVD/CD-ROM as HL DT ST DVDRAM GSA T20N linux driver |
| 16:40.28 | gamag | sans the linux driver in the end |
| 16:40.36 | abrotman | gamag: i gave you a few solutions |
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| 16:40.43 | gamag | abrotman: yes trying them out |
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| 16:44.49 | odla | is there a way to use reportbug with gmail? |
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| 16:47.30 | Sebo | Hi!! I've got debian installed with default codepage set to UTF-8. How can I swich it to ISO8859-2 without reinstall? |
| 16:47.33 | marat | chroot documentation is a bit complex for me. Could you tell me how to chroot from live DSL (Knoppix) cd so that i can run my locally installed debian? |
| 16:47.34 | odla | i was trying to send a bug with report but it told me smtp.gmail.com failed |
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| 16:48.06 | abrotman | Sebo: dpkg-reconfigure locales |
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| 16:48.53 | Sebo | abrotman: thx :) |
| 16:50.47 | hoxu | odla, you can use reportbug -o file.txt and paste it to gmail's compose box |
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| 16:50.58 | hoxu | odla, or any other webmail thingy |
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| 16:51.09 | johndoe | marat: go to /dev/disk/by-id |
| 16:51.20 | johndoe | marat: when you boot it from live-cd |
| 16:51.36 | marat | im on live cd now johndoe |
| 16:52.00 | johndoe | marat: there you have to find your debian partition |
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| 16:53.18 | kbrooks | how do i put a package on hold? |
| 16:53.21 | johndoe | marat: you have to mount each one that you think can bee debian partition |
| 16:53.31 | odla | hoxu: yeah that's what i ended up donig |
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| 16:53.44 | marat | johndoe: there is now dev/disk directory |
| 16:53.48 | johndoe | o shit |
| 16:53.52 | abrotman | !Hold |
| 16:53.52 | dpkg | hold is a status flag which tells apt (or aptitude) not to automatically upgrade a package. To hold a package, 'echo pkgname hold|dpkg --set-selections' or use = in aptitude's curses interface. You can ignore a hold by using apt-get install foopkg; or by using + in aptitude's curses interface. [Note that this is *NOT* the same as packages which have been "held back" because they require packages that are not currently (or tri |
| 16:53.52 | hoxu | kbrooks, aptitude hold <package> or use the "gui" |
| 16:54.09 | johndoe | marat: can you show me output of ls /dev/ ? |
| 16:54.16 | marat | ok |
| 16:54.21 | johndoe | priv |
| 16:54.36 | hoxu | abrotman, did that line end at "(or tri"? I thought dpkg can split lines O_ô |
| 16:54.57 | abrotman | !tell hoxu about hold |
| 16:55.10 | abrotman | i have no idea what that is |
| 16:55.10 | hoxu | same thing :p |
| 16:55.16 | abrotman | i got the ending ) |
| 16:55.23 | abrotman | but you get the gist :) |
| 16:55.40 | marat | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:55.44 | johndoe | damn |
| 16:55.55 | johndoe | marat: gimme a second so i can think about it |
| 16:56.07 | marat | johndoe: sure, thanx |
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| 16:56.22 | johndoe | marat: do you have anything like disk,sda or hda in /dev/ ? |
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| 16:56.30 | rocketmagnet | hello, does someone know how to setup an aiptek graphic table with debian ? |
| 16:56.45 | rocketmagnet | i've installed the aiptek xorg driver, but i can't find any setup tools |
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| 16:56.54 | marat | johndoe: i have a lot of hda* |
| 16:56.54 | rocketmagnet | or a way to check if it's used |
| 16:57.13 | marat | johndoe: i have a lot of sda* |
| 16:57.17 | Hoxzer | hmm, http://pastebin.com/m576b326d why doens't that repo get disabled by that prefercense |
| 16:57.23 | johndoe | marat: one of them is your debian partition |
| 16:57.30 | Hoxzer | *preference |
| 16:57.41 | johndoe | marat: you have to mount them one by one to find out which one |
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| 16:58.07 | marat | how to mount mount hda1? |
| 16:58.21 | johndoe | make a directory in /mnt |
| 16:58.30 | johndoe | ie. makedir /mnt/deb |
| 16:58.34 | marat | ok |
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| 16:58.39 | johndoe | then mount /dev/hda2 /mnt/deb |
| 16:58.49 | johndoe | it may ask you for something |
| 17:00.07 | rocketmagnet | hm, does someone know how i can check if my X is using a certain device driver ? |
| 17:00.30 | vorpal | where do debian mirrors keep their gpg keys? i'm trying to add it so that aptitude stops complaining about "untrusted source" |
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| 17:01.03 | marat | johndoe: i mounted hda1 and did ls /mnt/deb. it has all folder that usual linux distro has: home, root, bin ... |
| 17:01.15 | johndoe | marat: that could be it |
| 17:01.20 | hoxu | !tell vorpal about no public key |
| 17:01.24 | johndoe | marat: now type chroot /mnt/deb |
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| 17:01.50 | marat | fatal: kernel too old :D |
| 17:01.56 | johndoe | haha |
| 17:02.04 | marat | dsl has 2.4 kernel |
| 17:02.10 | johndoe | awww |
| 17:02.18 | johndoe | you can boot from the installation CD aswell |
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| 17:02.41 | b0ha | what is glxinfo for ? |
| 17:02.47 | vorpal | thank you, hoxu |
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| 17:03.01 | hoxu | b0ha, it shows information about the GLX implementation? ;) |
| 17:03.07 | johndoe | marat: boot the installation CD, then switch console CTRL+ALT+F2 |
| 17:03.10 | marat | johndoe: i don't have installation disk :( |
| 17:03.14 | johndoe | awww |
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| 17:03.32 | b0ha | hoxu, is it recommended to install it ? |
| 17:03.36 | marat | johndoe: i guess that was my last bus stop :) |
| 17:04.46 | hoxu | b0ha, to install mesa-utils? dunno, do you need "information about the GLX implementation"? ;) |
| 17:05.39 | b0ha | hoxu, well i need to know about direct rendering for intel X3100 |
| 17:05.45 | b0ha | so i can install compiz |
| 17:06.31 | gamag | <PROTECTED> |
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| 17:06.49 | hoxu | b0ha, well, feel free to install mesa-utils, glxinfo is in it |
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| 17:07.30 | b0ha | thank you hoxu |
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| 17:07.53 | gamag | also all mounts failed like /dev/sda1 on /root failed: no such device |
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| 17:09.29 | marat | johndoe: catn |
| 17:09.36 | Hoxzer | Jesus... |
| 17:09.36 | johndoe | ? |
| 17:09.39 | marat | johndoe: sorry |
| 17:10.06 | marat | johndoe: can't i change that grub files? |
| 17:10.13 | Hoxzer | How do I configure preferences so that nothing from testing gets installed if I dont specify otherwise |
| 17:10.19 | johndoe | marat: yes |
| 17:10.29 | wols_ | Hoxzer: just don't put it in your sources.list or comment it out |
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| 17:10.53 | johndoe | marat: now that you have access to debian partition, you can change it manually |
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| 17:11.09 | marat | johndoe: maybe i should change menu.lst |
| 17:11.10 | marat | ? |
| 17:11.13 | Hoxzer | wols_: I need it to install one source package |
| 17:11.28 | johndoe | marat: yep |
| 17:11.35 | wols_ | Hoxzer: and what prevents you from doing that? besides deb lines aren't deb-src lines |
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| 17:12.30 | marat | johndoe: ok, i'll try to change root (hd0, 1) to (hd0,0) |
| 17:12.38 | Hoxzer | wols_: I'm meaning to use "apt-get install rt2x00-source" shouldn't that be done with deb line ? |
| 17:12.47 | johndoe | marat: i dont know much about grub :P |
| 17:12.57 | DustyBin | is it ok to leave the backports repo in your sources.list together with the official debian repos? or would it mess your system up if you apt-get update ? |
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| 17:13.13 | marat | johndoe: that's fine, thank you very much :) |
| 17:13.29 | wols_ | Hoxzer: yes |
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| 17:13.50 | Hoxzer | wols_: k, so How do I prevent anything from lenny repos getting installed if I dont want to ? |
| 17:13.51 | johndoe | gamag: which image did you install? |
| 17:13.54 | wols_ | DustyBin: read the backports instructions again until you understand them |
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| 17:14.01 | wols_ | Hoxzer: by pinning |
| 17:14.08 | Hoxzer | wait a sec |
| 17:14.31 | Hoxzer | http://pastebin.com/m52d70bef |
| 17:14.35 | Hoxzer | what's wrong with taht ? |
| 17:15.00 | wols_ | !tell Hoxzer about errors |
| 17:15.28 | wols_ | gamag: where did you get the image from? and did it handle the initrd? |
| 17:16.49 | Hoxzer | wols_: wols_ I'm not seeing any errors |
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| 17:17.19 | Hoxzer | wols_: I'm typing apt-get update and apt-get -s upgrade |
| 17:17.34 | Hoxzer | wols_: -s upgrade seems to install all the packages from testing |
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| 17:18.10 | wols_ | Hoxzer: why do you run apt-get upgrade? |
| 17:18.26 | gamag | wols_: I got the image from lenny packages.debian.org |
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| 17:18.35 | gamag | wols_: how do I find out whether it handled initrd or not? |
| 17:18.53 | Hoxzer | wols_: "apt-get -s upgrade" to see wether or not it really works |
| 17:19.01 | Hoxzer | wols_: not that "-s" is simulation |
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| 17:19.27 | sentrygun | (breaking news)(ap/reuters) - China has just launched a military assault on Taiwan, causing an estimated 1 million deaths reuters has learned. Details Soon. |
| 17:19.58 | gamag | gamag: before tehe error, there are messages like "Running /scripts/local-premount ...", "Mounting /dev/sda1 on /root failed: No such device." I don't understand why it is trying to mount on /root, it should mount it on / |
| 17:20.02 | wols_ | Hoxzer: why don't you read about pinning? |
| 17:20.19 | Hoxzer | wols_: I already read about it :E |
| 17:20.34 | wols_ | it has nice pretty examples |
| 17:20.36 | gamag | wols_: then, it says, "Running /scripts/initbottom" and again another error, Mounting /root/dev on /dev/.static/dev failed: No such file or directory. what is going on? |
| 17:20.37 | Hoxzer | P < 0 "prevents the version from being installed" |
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| 17:21.13 | Hoxzer | wols_: the problem is that I have copy pasted those examples and still they dont seem to work as supposed |
| 17:21.13 | wols_ | gamag: do you get to busibox? |
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| 17:21.47 | gamag | wols_: what is busibox? |
| 17:21.55 | wols_ | busybox |
| 17:22.10 | gamag | wols_: yes |
| 17:22.22 | gamag | BusyBox v1.1.3 (Debian 1:1.1.3-4) |
| 17:22.46 | gamag | wols_: let me tell you that it is a new PC and the Debian 4.0 Etch r0 installer could not detect network. |
| 17:22.50 | gamag | no ethernet |
| 17:22.51 | wols_ | gamag: then check what your current devivename(s) for your partitions are |
| 17:23.04 | wols_ | *devicename(s) |
| 17:23.15 | gamag | /dev/sda /dev/sda1 are the only things I can see for s* |
| 17:23.27 | gamag | but I have around 8 partitons in my hard disk, I don't understand why are they not listed |
| 17:23.31 | wols_ | for s*? |
| 17:23.42 | gamag | for ls /dev/s* |
| 17:23.53 | wols_ | gamag: that's not how one does it |
| 17:24.11 | wols_ | what partitions are /dev/sda1 exactly? |
| 17:24.25 | gamag | how do I find out. it seems it must be my usbdisk |
| 17:24.37 | wols_ | man fdisk |
| 17:24.40 | wols_ | man mount |
| 17:25.02 | Ace2016 | Hi all |
| 17:25.09 | wols_ | ,,,more spamming |
| 17:25.10 | Ace2016 | anyone know what apps are in the screenshot: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZyfDnIwpO9w |
| 17:25.16 | Ace2016 | -_- |
| 17:25.17 | gamag | yes wols_: sda is my usb disk |
| 17:25.23 | gamag | where did my hard disk go? |
| 17:25.29 | wols_ | gamag: what harddisk controller do you have? |
| 17:25.38 | marat | debian stuck on line usb 2-2: configuration #1 chosen from 1 choice |
| 17:25.42 | wols_ | Ace2016: you are offtopic |
| 17:25.43 | gamag | wols_: how can I find out? |
| 17:25.52 | marat | how can i skip this? |
| 17:25.59 | wols_ | gamag: lspci |
| 17:26.10 | gamag | lspci: command not found in busybox |
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| 17:26.31 | wols_ | cat /proc/bus/pci/devices |
| 17:26.32 | gamag | should I boot back into my old kernel that is 2.6.18? |
| 17:26.34 | Ace2016 | how? i want to know what apps are in that video, and its linux there right? with the 3d cube |
| 17:26.58 | wols_ | Ace2016: read. "Windows XP Black Edition" |
| 17:26.58 | gamag | wols_: very long output with lots of numbers, what to grep? |
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| 17:27.52 | Ace2016 | yes but its obviously a spoof, and that has to be linux, never seen a windows app that does the rotate cube with 4 desktops |
| 17:28.04 | wols_ | that's compiz, what else? |
| 17:28.33 | joke24 | can someone help me? my apache web server wouldn't work... |
| 17:28.34 | Ace2016 | oh the comments showed its Yodm 3D doing the 3d cube effect |
| 17:28.50 | Ace2016 | maybe it is windows |
| 17:28.51 | gamag | why is it that the new kernel is not able to identify the hard disk when the old kernel could? the new kernel is 2.6.23 and thd old was 2.6.18 |
| 17:28.52 | Decepticon | how often are new releases of wine incorporated into debian's packages? |
| 17:28.56 | Ace2016 | but it had tux as his wallpaper |
| 17:29.05 | wols_ | Ace2016: the taskbar is a big hint |
| 17:29.18 | wols_ | Decepticon: whenever there is a new release of debian, what else? |
| 17:29.37 | wols_ | gamag: learn what controller you use |
| 17:29.39 | minerale | can I use ndiswrapper for a ethernet connection? |
| 17:29.45 | wols_ | minerale: no |
| 17:29.52 | Ace2016 | oh yea i was thinking it could be kbfx and kde |
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| 17:30.04 | joke24 | when i type my server ip in the adressbar, firefox say application/x-httpd-php and there is a blank page |
| 17:30.20 | gamag | wols_: I'll boot back with 2.6.18, find out and tell you |
| 17:30.27 | wols_ | joke24: which URL do you type in? |
| 17:30.49 | wols_ | joke24: is there a index.php? |
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| 17:31.14 | Ace2016 | strange, it was the other way around, kernel 2.6.18 only saw one sata hard drive, 2.6.23 saw both |
| 17:31.16 | joke24 | 192.168.2.103 it is a little homeserver... |
| 17:31.57 | joke24 | o.k. in firefox it would not work, but in the internet explorer.. |
| 17:31.57 | wols_ | joke24: is there an /index.php? |
| 17:32.54 | joke24 | yes, it shows the placeholder page of apache in internet explorer |
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| 17:33.05 | joke24 | but firefox wouldnt worl. |
| 17:33.11 | joke24 | work. |
| 17:33.14 | wols_ | what placeholder page? what does it say? |
| 17:33.41 | gamag | how can I find out my hard disk controller - lspci | grep ????? |
| 17:33.52 | wols_ | just lspci |
| 17:33.56 | deadlyliver | apt-get frmo security.debian.org very slow. I can connect to other places just fine. Anyone else having this issue? |
| 17:34.09 | joke24 | it says if you are just browsing the web |
| 17:34.13 | gamag | lots of output in lspci - IDE interface is nvidia corporation, for most stuff it is nvidia corporation |
| 17:34.24 | wols_ | joke24: what debian version is this? |
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| 17:34.31 | gamag | only ethernet controllder is Atheros which is the wireless |
| 17:34.47 | wols_ | gamag: who asked about wireless? |
| 17:34.51 | wols_ | or ethernet? |
| 17:34.54 | joke24 | where can i see that? |
| 17:35.02 | wols_ | !version |
| 17:35.02 | dpkg | Kernel: uname -r. Debian: cat /etc/debian_version. and: dpkg -l libc6 | tail -n 1. Package: dpkg -l _pkgname_. Miscellaneous: try --version on the command. check /etc/apt/sources.list; run apt-cache policy <packagename>, or lsb_release -a, or cat /proc/version |
| 17:35.17 | gamag | wols_: just telling. most others are nvidia corporation. AFAIK only one line would tell about hard disk. I am unable to identify which line that would be |
| 17:35.22 | joke24 | debian linux v4.0 |
| 17:35.22 | gamag | is it IDE? |
| 17:35.29 | deadlyliver | apt-get frmo security.debian.org very slow. I can connect to other places just fine. Anyone else having this issue? |
| 17:35.37 | wols_ | joke24: dpkg -l libc6|tail -1 |
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| 17:35.47 | deadlyliver | lots of packet loss at steffani.debian.org |
| 17:35.51 | wols_ | gamag: what chipset is this? |
| 17:36.00 | gamag | wols_: nvidia chipset |
| 17:36.04 | wols_ | !tell Decepticon about repeat |
| 17:36.18 | wols_ | gamag: nvidia has about a two dozen. which one? |
| 17:36.25 | joke24 | 2.3.6.ds1-13etch2 |
| 17:36.26 | Decepticon | wols_ what did i repeat... |
| 17:36.40 | wols_ | Decepticon: not you. sorry. it was deadlyliver |
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| 17:37.46 | deadlyliver | packet loss to steffani.debian.org hovering at 60% |
| 17:37.49 | joke24 | what i have to do now? that it works with firefox? |
| 17:38.06 | gamag | wols_: nvidia nForce |
| 17:38.08 | wols_ | answer my question |
| 17:38.22 | joke24 | sorry which question? |
| 17:38.23 | wols_ | gamag: ALL chipsets by nvidia are called nforce. ALL two dozen |
| 17:38.29 | wols_ | about index.php |
| 17:38.53 | joke24 | in the server? |
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| 17:39.09 | gamag | wols_: nForce 610M chipset |
| 17:39.28 | wols_ | sounds very new |
| 17:39.29 | wols_ | maybe a bug |
| 17:39.33 | joke24 | no, there is only a index.html |
| 17:40.02 | simonrvn | deadlyliver: that's one of 3 ... |
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| 17:41.32 | DustyBin | wols_: i read the instructions on backports, it says 'All backports are deactivated by default.' so what happens if there was a security issue with one of the backports i installed, nothing would happen if i apt-get update && apt-get upgrade |
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| 17:42.22 | wols_ | DustyBin: yes |
| 17:42.33 | joke24 | o.k. thanks for listening wols_ it works! |
| 17:42.33 | joke24 | bya |
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| 17:43.25 | gamag | i |
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| 17:46.18 | SupertTimmy | hello all. I have built two servers, both have identical spec hardrive, motherboard, cpu and ram both running Debian 4 testing. I tried to do some hard disk bench marks and one of the machines is about 40% faster than the other one. (results here http://nopaste.info/bb156a5623.html) The BIOS's have the same settings and version and when I swap the hardrive's over the results follow the hardrive. Ca |
| 17:46.18 | SupertTimmy | n anybody think of a reason for this? |
| 17:46.41 | SupertTimmy | Is add if=/dev/zero of=/root/test1.img bs=1024k count=2048 a valid way to test disk speed? |
| 17:47.04 | wols_ | it measures sequential write speed |
| 17:47.14 | wols_ | there are better ways, eg. bonnie |
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| 17:48.58 | SupertTimmy | wols_: but it should be a good comparison? |
| 17:49.41 | SupertTimmy | if the test file was located on the outside track of one disk and on the inner track of the other could that account for 40% difference? |
| 17:50.34 | valdyn | SupertTimmy: probably, but it could be fragmented on one disk too |
| 17:51.26 | wols_ | SupertTimmy: easily |
| 17:51.28 | SupertTimmy | it is a new install |
| 17:51.33 | valdyn | SupertTimmy: do a read comparison, dd if=/dev/sda of=/dev/null |
| 17:51.45 | SupertTimmy | on a 250GB drive with about 10% utilisation. would the file have fragmented |
| 17:51.52 | wols_ | SupertTimmy: use a hdparm benchmarck check |
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| 17:52.29 | SupertTimmy | i did the hdparm |
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| 17:52.52 | SupertTimmy | the results from hdparm are both similar. around 88MB/sec |
| 17:53.04 | SupertTimmy | i did a few tests if you see the nopaste link? |
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| 17:54.46 | pumpkin0 | is there a way to controll KDE, gnome or xfce via voice-commands ? |
| 17:55.18 | DustyBin | for some reason i cannot install the base system on debian net installer, seems like the server is not responding |
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| 17:55.47 | DustyBin | its ok its come back to life now |
| 17:56.38 | marat | Debian while booting is giving an error File system check failed. Please repair the file system manually |
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| 17:58.01 | Ace2016 | how can someone repair a filesystem? because first a user would have to know a lot about the file system right? |
| 17:58.03 | marat | Checking file systems...fsck 1.40-WIP (14-Nov-2006) |
| 17:58.36 | marat | fsck.ext3. no such a file or directory while trying to open /dev/hda4 |
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| 17:59.13 | pumpkin0 | marat: it does no longer find your HD ? |
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| 17:59.32 | marat | pumpkin0: i don't know :) |
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| 18:00.11 | pumpkin0 | is the file /dev/hda there ? |
| 18:00.22 | marat | hda1 is linux partition, hda2 -> swap, hda3 -> my /home |
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| 18:01.21 | pumpkin0 | OK, but does the system right now see these ? |
| 18:01.50 | marat | pumpkin0: it asked me to give root password, now im in my linux |
| 18:02.39 | marat | pumpkin0: but there's now hda4 |
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| 18:05.02 | marat | ohh, maybe it is searching for my windows partition which i deleted |
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| 18:06.19 | gamag | isn't there in any gcc package in the debian CD? |
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| 18:06.30 | DustyBin | why isnt there a mirror of security.debian.org, im always having problems with that server |
| 18:06.45 | gamag | i installed gcc-4.1.....deb using dpkg -i but a build-essential still says it depends on package gcc and refuses to install. |
| 18:06.54 | gamag | the soft link of gcc -> gcc-4.1 is also not created |
| 18:06.55 | wols_ | gamag: there is |
| 18:07.24 | marat | i have now unpartitioned location. how can I create a new partition there in FAT32? |
| 18:07.24 | wols_ | !tell gama about cd contents |
| 18:07.38 | wols_ | marat: with cfdisk |
| 18:07.54 | marat | wols_: ok |
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| 18:09.53 | Madd_Matt | DustyBin, officially, there are no mirrors since you want to get security updates immediately, rather than waiting for mirrors to update. Unofficially, there are mirrors. |
| 18:10.47 | marat | how can i show cfdisk my unpartitioned location? |
| 18:11.01 | Madd_Matt | marat, cfdisk should show unpartitioned space. |
| 18:11.06 | Madd_Matt | just with the partitions |
| 18:11.28 | malduin | I recently installed debian etch dualboot with XP pro. I can mount one of my other XP NTFS drives but get permission errors and cannot see the files. Is there a current howto or doc for NTFS partition access? |
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| 18:11.43 | marat | Madd_Matt: thanx i see now |
| 18:12.22 | Madd_Matt | malduin, you'll want to use "ntfs-3g" drivers for accessing NTFS. There should be instructions on the internet, try googling for "ntfs-3g debian" or similar |
| 18:12.36 | malduin | ok thanks |
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| 18:12.49 | wAndyw78 | Can somebody provide a link to a debian installation on a USB Flash disk with dm-crypt? Found some, but many are outdated |
| 18:12.54 | Madd_Matt | malduin, if you need more help after googling you can ask me |
| 18:13.02 | malduin | will do thx |
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| 18:13.27 | Madd_Matt | wAndyw78, you want to install debian from a flash disk, and use dm-crypt on the installation? |
| 18:13.33 | extor | Is it possible to mount a DVD iso image using the loopback driver? Or just the CD iso9660s can be mounted? |
| 18:13.54 | wAndyw78 | Madd_Matt: No, "on" an USB Disk |
| 18:13.56 | Madd_Matt | wAndyw78, or you want to install debian ON the flash drive? |
| 18:13.57 | Madd_Matt | oh, right. |
| 18:14.27 | extor | why is this empty---> http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/weekly-builds/i386/bt-cd/ |
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| 18:14.36 | wAndyw78 | Madd_Matt: There is, for example, debian live, but without encryption |
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| 18:15.48 | Madd_Matt | wAndyw78, these instructions are a year or two old, but should still be relevant: http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/179 |
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| 18:16.29 | wAndyw78 | Madd_Matt: Already found this, but from 2005 |
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| 18:17.16 | wAndyw78 | Madd_Matt: I thought there is another project, a automated installer or something and this is the point that there articles weren't updated in the past |
| 18:17.39 | Madd_Matt | wAndyw78, yes, but I read through, and the steps should be similar. If there's an automated installer I don't know about, you could keep looking for that. |
| 18:19.58 | extor | debian-update-4.0r1-i386-CD-1.iso <--- what exactly is this? Can it be used to install fresh? |
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| 18:21.05 | Madd_Matt | extor, update cds are just that: they contain only updates. You'll need real install media to do a fresh install |
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| 18:22.13 | marat | i wanted to cfdisk my raw part, and it says it may destroy my data. will it destroy data in all other partitions? |
| 18:22.13 | ctp | hi folks. any fai experts here? my client boots the kernel via pxe but hangs now trying to get root fs |
| 18:22.15 | extor | would the kernels be newish too? The default initrd kernels that is? |
| 18:22.33 | extor | Oh damn...so you cant install from scratch using those, nevermind |
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| 18:23.58 | wols_ | !tell extor about kmuto |
| 18:24.23 | Madd_Matt | wAndyw78, perhaps this is what you wanted: http://feraga.com/project/deb2flash |
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| 18:24.55 | extor | Hmmm but has the marvel_pata driver been backported? Don't fink so |
| 18:25.49 | wAndyw78 | Madd_Matt: Yes, already found this, but the python scripts is buggy here |
| 18:26.04 | marat | i'll put my question in other way: if i format one partition by cfdisk, may it harm other partitions? :) |
| 18:26.05 | wAndyw78 | Madd_Matt: The automated installer python scipt |
| 18:26.39 | wAndyw78 | Madd_Matt: Thanks for your help, I thought someone would say: "Hey use debian live with xxx-option" ore somewhat simple. |
| 18:27.05 | wols_ | marat: cfdisk cannot format anything |
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| 18:28.04 | marat | wols_: maybe i didn't pick the right word, let's say if i make a new partition from free space |
| 18:28.51 | wols_ | all cfdisk does is editing your partition tabke |
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| 18:29.55 | Madd_Matt | marat, cfdisk won't hurt your other partitions if you don't touch them. |
| 18:30.13 | marat | wols_: actually my concern was it might damage data in other partitions if i right a partition table |
| 18:31.03 | dimir | Moin! |
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| 18:32.39 | marat | Madd_Matt: so when if writes something it writes only to the partition i have chosen, right? |
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| 18:32.51 | RickyWh | Is there any issues with the local eth0 interface not working when you copy a Debian Linux virtual machine using the 'clone method'? Using VMware of course |
| 18:33.05 | RickyWh | the original machine i powered off, then i did a full clone of the machine. but when i start it, the local eth0 interface doesn't come up |
| 18:33.32 | Madd_Matt | marat, right. |
| 18:33.38 | wols_ | RickyWh: ifconfig -a. what interfaces show up? |
| 18:33.43 | marat | Madd_Matt: ok, thanx |
| 18:34.09 | RickyWh | eth1, lo and sit0 |
| 18:34.15 | marat | what does W95 FAT32 and W95 FAT32 (LBA) mean? what LBA mean? |
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| 18:34.17 | wols_ | marat: cfdisk doesn't write anything to any partition. it writes to the partitiontable |
| 18:34.18 | RickyWh | but not eth0 :*( |
| 18:34.27 | wols_ | !lba |
| 18:34.27 | dpkg | i heard lba is Logical Block Addressing. or good bios informations at http://usuarios.intercom.es/ag0ny/msxdev.html |
| 18:34.37 | marat | left brain ache? :D |
| 18:34.40 | wols_ | !tell RickyWh about z25 |
| 18:34.57 | wols_ | marat: what is the commandline you call cfdisk with? |
| 18:35.03 | RickyWh | !tell me about z25 |
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| 18:35.10 | wols_ | !tell RickyWh about selftell |
| 18:35.18 | extor | Can a 4.4 gig DVD .iso be mounted via loopback? a |
| 18:35.26 | marat | wols_: cfdisk and that's it |
| 18:35.31 | wols_ | extor: it's a file. like any other |
| 18:35.50 | RickyWh | lol |
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| 18:35.57 | wols_ | marat: did it show any free space then? |
| 18:35.57 | RickyWh | thanks wols |
| 18:36.38 | marat | so my question was; what is the difference between fat32 with lba and w/out lba? |
| 18:36.43 | marat | wols_: yes |
| 18:37.05 | wols_ | it's the way it's addressed. and yes you want LBA |
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| 18:37.20 | marat | lba is better? |
| 18:37.22 | RickyWh | wols, without erasing those files, i can also use the pull down menu to set it as vmnet0 bridged as well right? |
| 18:37.41 | wols_ | !vmware |
| 18:37.41 | dpkg | VMware isn't part of Debian, therefore it's not supported. Ask me about <vmware support> and <vmware-package>. |
| 18:37.58 | wols_ | marat: no |
| 18:38.02 | RickyWh | k |
| 18:38.08 | wols_ | and non lba isn't better either |
| 18:38.18 | marat | wols_: lol |
| 18:38.38 | marat | wols_: but you recommend with lba? |
| 18:41.20 | marat | wols_: anyway, i chose with lba and it wrote it there :) |
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| 18:50.40 | RockerMONO | hey.... how can i change my resolution in Debian? i installed it and everything is so enormous it's impossible to get anything done =[ |
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| 18:51.23 | solar_sea | RockerMONO, try ctrl+alt+[-/+], those shall switch between the resolutions listed in xorg.conf |
| 18:51.57 | solar_sea | or edit xorg.conf thyself, add the required resolution and restart the x server |
| 18:52.13 | RockerMONO | solar_sea: nothing for ctrl+alt+[-/+] at all =\ |
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| 18:53.03 | RockerMONO | solar_sea: figured it would be somewhere in the tons of things listed in the settings =P |
| 18:53.39 | solar_sea | then find the Screen section within /etc/X11/xorg.conf and the Display section under it, there should be depth and modes, add your required resolution on the modes line |
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| 18:55.54 | RockerMONO | solar_sea: i'm guessing if i change xorg.conf i'll have to restart x, right? |
| 18:56.28 | malduin | yes |
| 18:56.55 | solar_sea | yes, if you ran X from startx just ctrl+alt+backspace would be fine, otherwise if you run a display manager like kdm/gdm/xdm/wdm - you should restart it, probably by it's file in /etc/init.d/, /etc/init.d/./yourdisplaymanager restart |
| 18:57.40 | RockerMONO | yea, i did it from startx |
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| 18:59.07 | RockerMONO | solar_sea: the first one listed in each Screan -> Display is 1152x864.... |
| 18:59.21 | RockerMONO | then 1024x768 - the one i normally use |
| 18:59.32 | RockerMONO | but it's way lower |
| 18:59.49 | solar_sea | well, then ctrl+alt++ / ctrl+alt+- should cycle between the resolutions without editing/restarting anything |
| 19:00.19 | RockerMONO | that does nothing though.... =\ |
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| 19:01.08 | solar_sea | remove all other resolutions mentioned there except 1024x768, then restart your x server |
| 19:01.13 | RockerMONO | ok |
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| 19:04.29 | RockerMONO | solar_sea: still nothing =\ |
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| 19:05.06 | RockerMONO | solar_sea: all displays now have: Modes"1152x864" "1024x768" |
| 19:05.08 | RockerMONO | but still no =\ |
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| 19:05.50 | solar_sea | could you please paste /var/log/Xorg.0.log in a pastebin ? |
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| 19:10.27 | zmitya | hi all |
| 19:10.40 | zmitya | I have just installed a new etch |
| 19:10.54 | zmitya | I cannot add a new loopback address somehow :( |
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| 19:11.37 | zmitya | what is wrong with this ? http://paste.debian.net/43916 |
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| 19:14.54 | RockerMONO | solar_sea: http://nonlogic.org/dump/text/1196536404.html |
| 19:16.16 | solar_sea | RockerMONO, could you do the same for /etc/X11/xorg.conf please |
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| 19:17.32 | elmo40 | how do you stop strace? |
| 19:17.34 | elmo40 | !strace |
| 19:17.35 | dpkg | well, strace is a system call tracing utility. Run it like so: 'strace -f -o LOGFILE EXEC'.. A good way to diagnose problems |
| 19:17.40 | RockerMONO | solar_sea: http://nonlogic.org/dump/text/1196536562.html |
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| 19:17.50 | wAndyw78 | zmitya: why the trailing :0 and why 127.0.0.2 ? |
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| 19:18.58 | solar_sea | RockerMONO, try adding the following in the "Monitor" section -> HorizSync 28.0 - 64.0 |
| 19:18.58 | solar_sea | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:19.36 | zmitya | wAndyw78: I need a new loopback iface |
| 19:19.48 | jelly-home | zmitya: what's wrong with lo ? |
| 19:19.56 | marat | what does "Wrote partition table, but re-read table failed. Reboot to update table" mean? how can i update table? |
| 19:20.05 | zmitya | jelly-home: nothing, but i need more |
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| 19:20.10 | jelly-home | zmitya: what for? |
| 19:20.11 | elmo40 | marat: reboot your computer. |
| 19:20.14 | zmitya | because of djbdns |
| 19:20.49 | zmitya | jelly-home: do you have any idea, or just questions ? :) |
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| 19:21.10 | jelly-home | zmitya: lo already answers to all the addresses in 127.0.0.0/8 range. I have no diea why a software would need an explicit setting |
| 19:21.13 | solar_sea | RockerMONO, any success now ? |
| 19:21.15 | RockerMONO | solar_sea!!!!!! it worked!!!! |
| 19:21.17 | RockerMONO | thanks =] |
| 19:21.21 | solar_sea | great :) |
| 19:21.29 | zmitya | jelly-home: because djbdns needs it |
| 19:21.34 | marat | while booting debian can't check hda4 partition. how can i skip this check? |
| 19:21.35 | jelly-home | zmitya: why? |
| 19:21.38 | zmitya | I have a special DNS service |
| 19:21.42 | marat | elmo40: thanx |
| 19:21.58 | zmitya | jelly-home: sorry, I cant explain it |
| 19:22.07 | zmitya | this is the job, I have to solve it |
| 19:22.12 | Tom123 | where are old debs archived? Thanks. |
| 19:22.16 | zmitya | oit works with 10 other machines :( |
| 19:22.19 | sergiu | why after I compile the latest kernel and I boot him it hangs at checking root filesystem? |
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| 19:22.38 | jelly-home | zmitya: are those other 10 also Debian (or at least linux)? |
| 19:22.44 | Deepa | I got a manpage for ip, but when I try to execute it in bash, I get a bash: ip: command not found |
| 19:22.50 | zmitya | jes, sarges and etches |
| 19:22.53 | zmitya | yes |
| 19:23.02 | cahoot | Deepa: as root? |
| 19:23.10 | Deepa | as root |
| 19:23.39 | Deepa | Using etch |
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| 19:24.11 | sergiu | ip command works as root using etch :) |
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| 19:24.35 | eljefe__ | Can I run a reverse-SSH connection with a user who's shell is /bin/false and who's home is /dev/null ? I just want the ports opened but I don't want any real access. |
| 19:24.37 | Deepa | Where's the "ip" binary located? |
| 19:24.53 | sergiu | anyone compiled the newest kernel and knows why after I boot him I get the message: checking root filesystem... (and it hangs there) |
| 19:24.58 | zmitya | it worked with ifconfig lo:0 127.0.0.2 netmask 255.255.255.0 up |
| 19:25.03 | sergiu | /bin/ip |
| 19:25.04 | cahoot | Deepa: /bin/ip |
| 19:25.10 | elmo40 | marat: Debian uses autofs for mounting during boot. Look in that file (but be careful) |
| 19:25.10 | zmitya | why can't I put it to interfaces file ? |
| 19:25.13 | elmo40 | !autofs |
| 19:25.14 | dpkg | well, autofs is a kernel-based automounter for Linux, or silly to use 5 minutes as a default timeout for unmounting, or see http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/127, or a hackish p.o.s |
| 19:25.22 | Deepa | Nope, haven't got the file |
| 19:25.22 | squisher | eljefe__: I don't think you'll be able to log in with ssh if the shell is /bin/false |
| 19:25.23 | zmitya | cant beleive it :O( |
| 19:25.37 | Madd_Matt | eljefe__, you can specify not to run a remote command, which is what you want, but I don't know if ssh will log you in. |
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| 19:25.38 | marat | elmo40: where is that file? |
| 19:25.48 | elmo40 | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:25.54 | Deepa | In which package is the file? |
| 19:25.58 | RockerMONO | hey..... um.... how do i untar a tar.bz2 file? :D |
| 19:25.59 | elmo40 | it will look like S19autofs |
| 19:26.15 | elmo40 | RockerMONO: tar -xjf file.tar.bz2 |
| 19:26.17 | eljefe__ | ok but if the ssh is: ssh -N -R port:localhost:port reote@remote.ip then the -N prevents a terminal from opening... |
| 19:26.19 | zmitya | jelly-home: it worked with ifconfig lo:0 127.0.0.2 netmask 255.255.255.0 up |
| 19:26.21 | elmo40 | the 'j' is for bzip2 |
| 19:26.22 | zmitya | why can't I put it to interfaces file ? |
| 19:26.38 | squisher | eljefe__: what is the issue then? |
| 19:26.52 | eljefe__ | No issue, i want to be sure it will work tho |
| 19:27.04 | zmitya | it worked after a reboot :( |
| 19:27.10 | eljefe__ | RockerMONO: tar -xvjf _filename.tar.bz2_ |
| 19:27.14 | Nyle | erboot == toober |
| 19:27.19 | Nyle | what |
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| 19:27.35 | sergiu | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:27.47 | DustyBin | why does mysql always default to a swedish character set? |
| 19:27.54 | jelly-home | zmitya: No idea. What error do you get? What does the interfaces entry look like? |
| 19:27.54 | Nyle | i want to serve a runing debian system as a live system that one could boot from using pxe |
| 19:27.56 | eljefe__ | sergiu: maybe its checking the filesystem? and its big so it takes a while? |
| 19:28.00 | Nyle | any idea how i could go about doing that |
| 19:28.14 | RockerMONO | how do i make it so it doesn't look to the CD for the stuff to install?... |
| 19:28.16 | eljefe__ | Nyle: look into LTSP |
| 19:28.17 | marat | i found several autofs files in my system. which of them is the main one? |
| 19:28.22 | Nyle | !ltsp |
| 19:28.23 | dpkg | i heard ltsp is the linux terminal server project, at http://www.ltsp.org |
| 19:28.28 | squisher | eljefe__: it'll work, I think, but you do need to give it a valid shell |
| 19:28.31 | Nyle | hm ok then |
| 19:28.47 | sergiu | eljefe__ :no no, the other kernel boots fast |
| 19:28.48 | eljefe__ | RockerMONO: edit (as root) the /etc/apt/sources.list file and put a # at the beginning of the line which reads "cdrom" |
| 19:28.52 | jelly-home | marat: /etc/auto.master |
| 19:29.12 | jelly-home | marat: if you're asking about the configuration |
| 19:29.23 | RockerMONO | eljefe__: k, thanks |
| 19:30.04 | RockerMONO | eljefe__: then apt-get update or somethin liek that? |
| 19:30.10 | sergiu | i have the standard debian kernel who boots fine, but the kernel I compiled hangs at "checking root filesystem", anyone knows why? |
| 19:30.12 | elmo40 | marat: depends on the boot you do. Probably rc5.d, since you probably boot to GUI. |
| 19:30.13 | eljefe__ | yep! |
| 19:30.22 | RockerMONO | yay me i got it right! |
| 19:30.33 | eljefe__ | apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade ##this will get you the newest everything |
| 19:31.02 | elmo40 | RockerMONO: you have 'outside' repositories in sources.list? |
| 19:31.10 | eljefe__ | sergiu: did you compile in the proper filesystem support for the computers FS? |
| 19:31.13 | RockerMONO | elmo40: yea |
| 19:31.31 | sergiu | yes |
| 19:31.47 | sergiu | i loaded the config file of the previous kernel who works fine |
| 19:31.48 | Deepa | so what do I do if I lack a /bin/ip? |
| 19:31.57 | Deepa | What package do I need? |
| 19:32.26 | hoxu | Deepa, iproute |
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| 19:32.41 | Deepa | thanks :D |
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| 19:33.20 | marat | i would like to disable to check hda4 on booting. where can i set it? |
| 19:33.21 | hoxu | ^garfield2^, prepare to get your home raided unless you turn that off fast :p |
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| 19:34.06 | sergiu | i have the standard debian kernel who boots fine, but the kernel I compiled hangs at "checking root filesystem", anyone knows why? |
| 19:34.10 | karim | is it possible to run a X application from inside a chroot ? |
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| 19:34.45 | karim | I can't manage to do it |
| 19:35.54 | hoxu | I'm not an expert at chroots, but I don't see any reason why you wouldn't be able to do something from within a properly configured chroot |
| 19:36.04 | RockerMONO | HAHA! 2MB free space xD |
| 19:36.17 | RockerMONO | *22 |
| 19:36.20 | RockerMONO | but still xD |
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| 19:36.38 | karim | hoxu, in thoery I just have to do xhost + localhost on the host, then do export DISPLAY=localhost:0 in the chroot |
| 19:36.57 | squisher | karim: someone said that you need to bind mount /tmp/.X11-unix |
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| 19:37.46 | squisher | marat: check /etc/fstab (man fstab) |
| 19:37.54 | karim | squisher, someone ? who ? :-D |
| 19:38.28 | karim | squisher, I think it would be for localsockets |
| 19:38.30 | squisher | karim: dude, I don't remember :-) The question got asked here the other day, and I remember the answer someone gave :) |
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| 19:38.56 | karim | squisher, anyway even when I go to a console, if I do export DISPLAY=localhost:0 and then run xeyes, it doesn't work |
| 19:39.05 | zamuro | !ro |
| 19:39.40 | karim | squisher, maybe gdm is preventing it |
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| 19:39.51 | squisher | karim: not that I have a chroot to test this, but what error do you get? Cannot open display, or just nothing shows up? |
| 19:40.13 | hoxu | !annoy bob2 |
| 19:40.13 | dpkg | Why do i get "NO SCREENS FOUND"?!?! HELP ME FUX0RS!!!!!!!!! |
| 19:40.16 | squisher | karim: sounds worth looking into, though I think that's mainly for remote connections |
| 19:40.19 | karim | squisher, can't open display |
| 19:40.20 | sergiu | i have the standard debian kernel who boots fine, but the kernel I compiled hangs at "checking root filesystem", anyone knows why? |
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| 19:40.23 | hoxu | where's bob2? :( |
| 19:40.25 | logd | hi, how to reduce processor usage by printing task ? mine stays 100% |
| 19:40.37 | karim | squisher, well remote connection would be ok for me |
| 19:40.39 | squisher | logd: check top to see |
| 19:40.41 | marat | squisher: thanx i found it |
| 19:40.45 | karim | squisher, even through local loup |
| 19:40.48 | karim | loop |
| 19:41.03 | dalias | logd, any activity should use 100% cpu when it's computing things and nothing else is vying for cpu time |
| 19:41.18 | hoxu | sergiu, I've seen that question a couple of times recently, either no one has any ideas, you need to provide more information, or both :p |
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| 19:41.19 | dalias | otherwise it's just running unnecessarily slow |
| 19:41.50 | logd | yeah but i mean i cant do anything else while |
| 19:42.13 | marat | when i want login through wdm, after authentication it is returning me to the wdm again :( |
| 19:42.41 | logd | andif it's a photo things got worse |
| 19:43.07 | squisher | karim: did you setup your .Xauthority file? |
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| 19:43.33 | karim | squisher, for what purpose ? |
| 19:43.38 | squisher | marat: did you look into /var/log/xorg.0.log |
| 19:43.44 | squisher | karim: authentication, obviously? |
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| 19:44.25 | hoxu | !captain obvious squisher |
| 19:44.38 | karim | squisher, shouldn't xhost + enough for what I want ? |
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| 19:45.30 | marat | squisher: there's nothing about wdm |
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| 19:45.41 | squisher | karim: hmm, that is true, even though I think linking .Xauthority is a better solution IMHO |
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| 19:46.23 | karim | ah |
| 19:46.24 | squisher | marat: or ~/.xsession-errors? |
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| 19:47.27 | karim | squisher, anyway I did a bind of my home folder on the chroot home, so everything should be ok |
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| 19:47.52 | marat | squisher: i found what my fault was |
| 19:48.22 | marat | squisher: my home is hda3 partition, and it didn't mount during boot |
| 19:48.31 | marat | squisher: that's why i couldn't login |
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| 19:48.45 | karim | it's really sad it's not possible to detach X applications from a Xserver |
| 19:48.51 | squisher | marat: great that you figured it out |
| 19:48.52 | marat | squisher: i mounted my home manually then it worked |
| 19:48.58 | squisher | karim: oh I agree |
| 19:49.07 | squisher | karim: it would be such a handy feature! |
| 19:49.11 | marat | squisher: how to make it mount automatically during boot? |
| 19:49.16 | karim | squisher, it's benn a long time now |
| 19:49.26 | squisher | marat: make an entry in /etc/fstab for it |
| 19:49.27 | karim | squisher, NX resolv the problem in an ugly way |
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| 19:50.07 | RockerMONO | does Debian have gcc by default? |
| 19:50.08 | squisher | karim: I don't actually know how NX does it... I remember seeing some solution for a X server for small devices, but that's about it (and I think it needed special support by the programs) |
| 19:50.30 | karim | squisher, NX use lbxproxy extentions I think |
| 19:50.31 | logd | no fix then for ? |
| 19:51.04 | hoxu | RockerMONO, by default as in...? |
| 19:51.16 | pleed | i would like to use a teamspeak2 server on my debian etch. there is an init script but it starts teamspeak2 with the user who executed the init script. how can i start it as a normal user? |
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| 19:51.47 | RockerMONO | hoxu: well, how would i get it? apt usually tells you if you already have ti |
| 19:51.48 | squisher | pleed: I think teamspeak2 is packaged, isn't it? |
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| 19:52.01 | pleed | squisher: i d like to chroot it |
| 19:52.04 | squisher | RockerMONO: get build-essential |
| 19:52.09 | pleed | squisher: so i used the tar.gz |
| 19:52.10 | RockerMONO | squisher? |
| 19:52.23 | larsl | I've installed the MediaWiki package, and on the config page it wants me to enter the database password - what am I supposed to enter there? |
| 19:52.36 | hoxu | !tell RockerMONO about installed packages |
| 19:52.59 | hoxu | RockerMONO, apt-get install gcc? |
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| 19:53.02 | squisher | pleed: if you are writing your own init script, then use 'su -c' or sudo to have it run teamspeak as another user |
| 19:53.16 | RockerMONO | hoxu: i tried that, it says the package is not available |
| 19:53.19 | squisher | RockerMONO: apt-get install build-essential |
| 19:53.23 | pleed | squisher: and that s really secure? |
| 19:53.46 | RockerMONO | squisher: 'couldn't find package' |
| 19:53.58 | squisher | pleed: secure in as it will run as the user you specified |
| 19:54.08 | hoxu | RockerMONO, soo... what's in your /etc/apt/sources.list? :p |
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| 19:54.32 | RockerMONO | hoxu: deb http://security.debian.org/ etch/updates main contrib | deb-src http://security.debian.org/ etch/updates main contrib |
| 19:54.38 | RockerMONO | [where | would be a new line =P] |
| 19:54.50 | hoxu | RockerMONO, that's all? |
| 19:55.00 | RockerMONO | yea |
| 19:55.11 | RockerMONO | it had the CD on there but that gets kinda annoying having to deal with it |
| 19:55.11 | hoxu | !tell RockerMONO about sources.list |
| 19:55.47 | pleed | squisher: ok thanks. i knew su but i didnt know if there s a possibility to "exit". |
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| 19:56.42 | squisher | pleed: oh I see. Yeah, the -c is for just executing that one command |
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| 19:57.01 | RockerMONO | eljefe__: what's the command for updating apt, again? >>> |
| 19:57.23 | squisher | apt-get update |
| 19:57.35 | hoxu | it was in the factoid, too... |
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| 19:57.48 | squisher | :-) Reading is a difficult task |
| 19:58.04 | netdaemon | heh |
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| 19:58.12 | hoxu | dpkg, sources.list =~ s/aptitude update/apt-get update/ |
| 19:58.12 | dpkg | hoxu: OK |
| 19:58.55 | RockerMONO | is their a log for this channel? |
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| 19:59.57 | dto | hi folks. i'm using rsync to back up stuff to an external USB drive. I will be adding stuff to it from both a Debian machine and a Windows machine; the problem is, rsync doesn't work well with VFAT. is there another filesystem i can use that Windows can read/write ? |
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| 20:00.56 | hoxu | dto, ntfs? I think there was windows support for ext2/3 as well at some point, dunno how well it worked... |
| 20:01.31 | hoxu | RockerMONO, probably some US ISPs / semi-secret government agencies are printing the logs in real-time, maybe you can ask them for carbon copies |
| 20:01.38 | dto | hoxu: ah, ntfs! |
| 20:01.45 | PyroMithrandir | ext2/3 support for windows is actually quite decent |
| 20:01.51 | PyroMithrandir | you just need to download the driver |
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| 20:02.18 | PyroMithrandir | http://www.fs-driver.org/ |
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| 20:02.53 | RockerMONO | PyroMithrandir: then you need to download the driver for the driver, the bug fix for the first driver, the bug fix to make the two drivers compatible, the next update for the drivers, the driver that makes them play nice, the driver that is supposed to fix it but breaks it, etc... =P |
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| 20:03.14 | dto | PyroMithrandir: is it DFSG compliant? |
| 20:03.29 | dto | should i use ext3? |
| 20:03.33 | Gun_Smoke | Is there a way to change the desktop front color in gnome? |
| 20:03.47 | dto | (or ext2) |
| 20:03.47 | Gun_Smoke | I'm using 2.20.2 if it matters. |
| 20:04.06 | PyroMithrandir | dto, I have no idea. I haven't used it in a long time |
| 20:04.25 | Gun_Smoke | Build date is the 29th of this month. |
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| 20:05.18 | Xero | porn |
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| 20:05.42 | h3sp4wn | Gun_Smoke: You don't have all of it - http://www.0d.be/debian/debian-gnome-2.20-status.html |
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| 20:05.57 | netdaemon | h3sp4wn: it is in debian |
| 20:06.07 | netdaemon | debian sid ;) |
| 20:06.22 | DivideZer | i can download DEBIAN's browser for windows xp ? |
| 20:06.24 | Gun_Smoke | h3sp4wn: One piece.. |
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| 20:06.43 | netdaemon | and part of it is in testing also |
| 20:06.54 | hlen | anyone else having problems with XTerm(222) in etch and control sequences? e.g. e.g. printf %b "\033[8;48;80t" should resize the term to 80x48, not working here |
| 20:06.57 | h3sp4wn | netdaemon: Read the link - it isn't gnome 2.20.2 unless it has all of it |
| 20:07.04 | netdaemon | oh 2.20.2 |
| 20:07.09 | netdaemon | dunno about that one ._. |
| 20:07.18 | dto | PyroMithrandir: thanks for the info about fs-driver... i'm going to convert my other disks to ext3 i think |
| 20:07.23 | netdaemon | minor update, meh |
| 20:07.54 | Gun_Smoke | h3sp4wn: Well I have no idea why "About Gnome" would tell me it's 2.20.2 and the build date was thursday.. |
| 20:07.58 | RockerMONO | anyone know why i would get this? : W: Couldn't stat source package list http://ftp.us.debian.org etch/main Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/ftp.us.debian.org_debian_dists_etch_main_binary-i386_Packages) - stat (2 No such file or directory) |
| 20:08.14 | RockerMONO | the line is deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian etch main |
| 20:08.17 | Gun_Smoke | h3sp4wn: And I am on Sid. |
| 20:08.29 | netdaemon | sid is fun |
| 20:08.49 | netdaemon | i'm a kde user myself but gnome has some pretty cool stuff, like evince |
| 20:08.50 | Gun_Smoke | seems to be humming like a top for me so far. |
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| 20:09.34 | Gun_Smoke | I just want to change the font because I have a darker background as of today and I thought it would look nice.. BUT.. I don't know how, if even possible.. |
| 20:09.47 | h3sp4wn | Gun_Smoke: use gconf-editor |
| 20:10.22 | netdaemon | they fixed the problem with not being able to change kdm themes yet? |
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| 20:11.00 | h3sp4wn | RockerMONO: You don't need alsaconf on testing or unstable |
| 20:11.01 | Gun_Smoke | h3sp4wn: It's in there?? I thought I would have rememberd.. I'll look. |
| 20:11.13 | RockerMONO | h3sp4wn: erm this isn't testing or unstable |
| 20:11.33 | h3sp4wn | RockerMONO: Ok - what is the problem |
| 20:11.43 | RockerMONO | h3sp4wn: tons of static :( |
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| 20:11.54 | h3sp4wn | RockerMONO: Did you try a later alsa-driver ? |
| 20:12.26 | RockerMONO | h3sp4wn: i just installed this today using a net-install, shouldn't it be mostly up-to-date? |
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| 20:12.50 | h3sp4wn | RockerMONO: It should be completely upto date |
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| 20:12.59 | h3sp4wn | RockerMONO: But the alsa in debian stable is very old |
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| 20:16.47 | Pyretic | hi, does anyone know which mailinglist discusses kernel packages ? |
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| 20:17.03 | Gun_Smoke | h3sp4wn: I don't see it anywhere in gconf-editor.. I think I would have remember it if it was that easy. |
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| 20:17.06 | Pyretic | as in when debian as a project upgrades from .22 to .24 for example |
| 20:17.07 | tuxthepenguin533 | are there any files system that are journaled like ntfs |
| 20:17.27 | Gun_Smoke | Any other ideas? |
| 20:17.36 | Enverex | tuxthepenguin533, ext3, reiser... |
| 20:17.46 | malduin | I have 2 soundcards and alsa aways binds to my headset card on boot. I have to run alsaconf can change it to my main soundcard/speakers every time I boot. How can I save these settings? |
| 20:17.48 | tuxthepenguin533 | ok |
| 20:17.54 | tuxthepenguin533 | !ext3 |
| 20:17.54 | dpkg | well, ext3 is the One True Filesystem. If you have to ask what filesystem you should be using, use ext3. Ask me about <ext2->ext3>, <xfs> and <ricerfs>. |
| 20:17.59 | roxy_ | I am trying to set up a dual screen system. Each screen has its own card. Each screen can works by itself. How can I get both working at the same time ? |
| 20:18.00 | tuxthepenguin533 | !ricerfs |
| 20:18.01 | dpkg | somebody said ricerfs was the firework rocket of filesystems - it goes very fast then blows up with all your data. See <reiserfs> for real info. <ext3 vs reiserfs> |
| 20:18.22 | cahoot | malduin: http://alsa.opensrc.org/index.php/FAQ see 3.14 |
| 20:18.29 | tuxthepenguin533 | !ext3 vs reiserfs |
| 20:18.29 | dpkg | ext3 vs reiserfs is probably http://www.gurulabs.com/goodies/ext3_vs_reiserfs-1.php |
| 20:18.30 | Tramp | !tell tuxthepenguin533 about selftell |
| 20:19.08 | malduin | cahoot, thx all have a look there. |
| 20:19.18 | RockerMONO | aw how do you mount a FAT32 drive? |
| 20:19.30 | dalias | vfat |
| 20:19.30 | streuner | man mount |
| 20:19.46 | h3sp4wn | malduin: That is not the right way to go about it |
| 20:19.46 | dalias | it works for all of fat12/fat16/fat32 |
| 20:20.06 | h3sp4wn | malduin: just leave it as it is but use - asoundconf |
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| 20:20.20 | malduin | h3sp4wn, ok I can try that |
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| 20:20.42 | h3sp4wn | malduin: asoundconf list |
| 20:21.00 | h3sp4wn | malduin: and then - asoundconf set-default-card |
| 20:21.08 | malduin | ok |
| 20:21.09 | RockerMONO | what would be the first USB device plugged in? i tried /dev/sda /dev/sda1 etc but nothing =\ |
| 20:21.30 | h3sp4wn | RockerMONO: depends what it is could be almost anything |
| 20:21.43 | wols_ | RockerMONO: check dmesg |
| 20:21.46 | RockerMONO | h3sp4wn: would be sd* though, right? |
| 20:21.54 | pipeline | RockerMONO: dmesg | grep sd\\w |
| 20:21.55 | wols_ | RockerMONO: only mass storage devices |
| 20:21.57 | malduin | h3sp4wn, asoundconf list is empty |
| 20:22.04 | RockerMONO | wols_: it's a USB flash drive |
| 20:22.25 | h3sp4wn | malduin: custom kernel ? |
| 20:22.25 | wols_ | what does your dmesg say? |
| 20:22.32 | malduin | no |
| 20:22.40 | h3sp4wn | malduin: etch / lenny / sid ? |
| 20:22.42 | RockerMONO | it mentions sde and sd alot |
| 20:22.44 | pipeline | RockerMONO: you can also install usbutils and run "lsusb" in order to find out whether the USB bus / drive are working at all. If the host and drive aren't communicating, then you won't get a device node :P |
| 20:22.45 | malduin | etch |
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| 20:23.05 | RockerMONO | pipeline: i found it but apparently gave the wrong fs type >.> |
| 20:23.13 | pipeline | RockerMONO: mount -t auto |
| 20:23.15 | h3sp4wn | malduin: Is this after you have been messing with alsaconf ? |
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| 20:23.26 | RockerMONO | pipeline: says i must specify a filesystem type |
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| 20:23.37 | malduin | yeah I ran alsaconf after booting |
| 20:24.15 | pipeline | RockerMONO: probably "vfat" |
| 20:24.25 | h3sp4wn | malduin: try it without (and just use asoundconf) |
| 20:24.28 | pipeline | RockerMONO: also, it's possible that the drive in question is partitioned... "fdisk -u -l" will tell you |
| 20:24.36 | malduin | h3sp4wn, ok |
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| 20:24.51 | minerale | I have debian running on a ulta mobile pc, vaio, I have attached a monitor and keyboard to it, how can I set the external monitor to be the default? |
| 20:24.53 | enn | Does anyone know if there are any plans to replace the djb source installer packages with more "normal" packages now that his software is in the public domain? |
| 20:24.54 | h3sp4wn | malduin: If there is still not in there come back |
| 20:24.55 | pipeline | RockerMONO: if it's partitioned, you would mount /dev/sda1 or something isntead of /dev/sda |
| 20:25.00 | RockerMONO | got it |
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| 20:25.03 | malduin | k thx |
| 20:25.15 | pipeline | enn: I think the more important question is whether you should be using any djb software :P |
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| 20:25.40 | enn | pipeline: I'll go to great lengths to avoid using BIND |
| 20:25.42 | pipeline | minerale: for the console, you can't, unless the hardware supports it itself. |
| 20:25.51 | RockerMONO | gr |
| 20:26.02 | pipeline | minerale: for X11, it depends on the graphics driver |
| 20:26.04 | RockerMONO | pipeline: it's /dev/sde1 |
| 20:26.12 | RockerMONO | but.. i accidently mounted it to /mnt and it wont let me umount it >.< |
| 20:26.18 | pipeline | enn: There's a new alternative to BIND |
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| 20:27.11 | enn | pipeline: oh? |
| 20:27.39 | RockerMONO | how can i figure out how much space i have used on my hd? i only got 3GB to work with |
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| 20:28.07 | pipeline | enn: I had to look up what the new one is called: nsd |
| 20:28.16 | pipeline | enn: some of the root DNS servers use it :X |
| 20:28.23 | pipeline | RockerMONO: "df -h" |
| 20:28.28 | enn | pipeline: ah, thanks, that might be the way to go. |
| 20:28.36 | RockerMONO | thanks pipeline |
| 20:28.42 | pipeline | enn: Anything is better than djbdjddjdddns |
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| 20:29.46 | multi_io | some program turned off key repeat in my Xorg server. How do I enable it again? |
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| 20:30.37 | malduin | h3sp4wn, hmmm. I rebooted and sound is coming out my headset again but asoundconf list still doesn't show my soundcards. alsaconf sees them no problem. |
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| 20:30.54 | h3sp4wn | malduin: There is another way |
| 20:31.04 | h3sp4wn | malduin: does the headset use snd-usb-audio ? |
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| 20:31.38 | malduin | no, Is the soundcard on my mobo |
| 20:31.53 | streuner | multi_io: key repeat? |
| 20:31.54 | malduin | not a usb headset |
| 20:32.10 | h3sp4wn | malduin: so what does it use ? |
| 20:32.47 | malduin | alsaconf see's it as intel ac97 or something like that |
| 20:32.57 | pleed | in what package can i find "su" ? |
| 20:33.03 | netdaemon | !ping |
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| 20:33.03 | dpkg | pong |
| 20:33.06 | h3sp4wn | You can stop something grabbing index 0 with something like - "echo options snd-hda-intel index=-2|sudo tee -a /etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base" |
| 20:33.20 | h3sp4wn | but you have to know what it is |
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| 20:34.08 | malduin | ok |
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| 20:34.34 | Samonoske | what do you guys think of phpizabi to run on ur server? |
| 20:34.37 | multi_io | streuner: sorry, the english term escapes me atm. I mean the feature that a key press is sent repeatedly if you press and hold down a key |
| 20:34.49 | h3sp4wn | malduin: Or you could use oss - http://developer.opensound.com/sources/ |
| 20:35.55 | malduin | I'll do some digging and see what I can find out |
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| 20:36.32 | h3sp4wn | All you have to do is stop it grabbing index 0 (same as the examples already at the bottom of /etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base |
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| 20:37.47 | roxy_ | When I start X with dual head (with option xinerama) I got this error: http://rafb.net/p/dMAYZo26.html |
| 20:38.00 | streuner | multi_io: puh, i dunno what you even talk about |
| 20:38.05 | roxy_ | Both screen/card works separatly |
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| 20:40.12 | streuner | multi_io: what kind of effort should have that? |
| 20:40.13 | lymeca | I'm install Etch on my new server with a single 147 GB drive I wish to use LVM with. I'm at the partitioning part of d-i and since I'm new to LVM+Debian I'm trying to figure out if I should create one big ext3 partition as /dev/sda1 or one big "Physical volume for LVM" option |
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| 20:42.52 | Tramp | multi_io: try "xset r on" |
| 20:43.17 | roxy_ | There are some links about: /usr/bin/X(FontFileCompleteXLFD+0x231) on the web but I can't get how to work around it and don't understand the relation with my 2 screens. |
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| 20:44.17 | multi_io | Tramp: thanks |
| 20:44.52 | ben_goodger | hello |
| 20:45.01 | multi_io | the program was "xpilot" btw |
| 20:45.06 | rrbiz | hello, someone know of a complete dictionary software to reside on the os for linux ? |
| 20:45.18 | ben_goodger | nautilus is protesting that it does not have write permissions to a directory that my user owns, despite the fact that it is being run from a su |
| 20:45.19 | multi_io | xpilot-ng-x11, actually |
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| 20:46.43 | ben_goodger | can anyone explain this? |
| 20:46.50 | Tramp | ben_goodger: just because you own it doesn't mean you have write permission |
| 20:47.33 | ben_goodger | well, I do |
| 20:47.39 | wols_ | ben_goodger: ls -ld <dir in qzestion> |
| 20:47.48 | roxy_ | is this related ? http://www.mail-archive.com/debian-x%40lists.debian.org/msg69634.html |
| 20:47.59 | ben_goodger | sorry for omitting that, but I would have thought it obvious (I am not so stupid as to try and change a directory I do not have write permissions to) |
| 20:48.40 | wols_ | write permission is irrelevant for cd-ing to a directory |
| 20:48.46 | wols_ | cd into something doesn't write |
| 20:48.54 | ben_goodger | I don't want to cd to it, I want to write to it |
| 20:49.04 | wols_ | answer my question |
| 20:49.39 | roxy_ | wols_: you've been helpful this morning, do you have any evening hint ? |
| 20:50.10 | ben_goodger | drwxr-xr-x 2 ben ben 48 2007-12-01 20:42 /home/ben/TV/Keeping Up Appearances/ |
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| 20:51.44 | ben_goodger | the actual problem occurs when I try to change the owner of another directory to me as root, and I get a sidestepping "sorry, couldn't change owner" 'error message' |
| 20:52.14 | ben_goodger | same goes for "sorry, couldn't change permissions" |
| 20:53.30 | john_scrotum | ben-goodger: why not just launch a terminal and make the changes on the command line? |
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| 20:54.30 | ben_goodger | because I have more important things to do than learn the keyboard ballets that one has to dance to make {ch{mod|own}|mv|cp} do anything logical |
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| 20:55.17 | lontra | so if a package isn't built on all the architectures it can't enter testing? |
| 20:55.37 | pleed | root@chaos-disciple:/# su |
| 20:55.37 | pleed | su: Permission denied |
| 20:55.37 | pleed | (Ignoriert) |
| 20:55.37 | pleed | root@chaos-disciple:/# whoami |
| 20:55.37 | pleed | root |
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| 20:55.54 | john_scrotum | ben: are you logged in as root? |
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| 20:56.21 | pleed | i m sorry but does anyone know how that can happen? |
| 20:56.26 | pleed | it s in a chroot |
| 20:56.30 | ben_goodger | *yes*... |
| 20:56.49 | ben_goodger | pleed: you're already root, you can't su to it |
| 20:57.06 | pleed | ben_goodger: normally i can. in addition "su user" doesnt work either |
| 20:57.52 | pleed | i would like to start my teamspeak2 server as a normal user but i should be chrooted so i need to chroot and then change the user to start the teamspeak2 server. |
| 20:58.05 | pleed | :%s/but i/but it/g |
| 20:58.13 | multi_io | ben_goodger: are you running X as root, or did you just run nautilus from a root shell or something like that? |
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| 20:58.45 | ben_goodger | I'm running nautilus from a root shell |
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| 20:59.18 | gamag | hi. networking on one pc is working fine. but I want to know which drivers are responsible for its working and what package .deb files contain them. how can I know? |
| 20:59.18 | ben_goodger | as usual it's spewed about connecting to the session manager, but nothing else... |
| 20:59.24 | multi_io | ben_goodger: ps axu | grep nautilus | grep -v grep |
| 20:59.56 | wols_ | lontra: depends. things like wine aren't available on all platofrms |
| 21:00.18 | multi_io | (don't post more than two lines) |
| 21:00.22 | john_scrotum | I don't do much file administration in nautilus. I'll move a few files around once in a while with nautilus, or change a filename, but I use bash for all of my hardcore file administration. It's faster and easier. |
| 21:00.33 | ben_goodger | ben, ben, root, root |
| 21:00.42 | wols_ | gamag: by checking what hardware you have |
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| 21:01.36 | gamag | wols_: and how to determine which driver is doing that? |
| 21:01.46 | wols_ | by checkng dmesg |
| 21:01.47 | multi_io | ben_goodger: hm ok, maybe nautilus is just buggy? Ask in #gnome? |
| 21:01.50 | Tramp | pleed: you have anything unusual in /etc/pam.d/su (like e.g. using pam_wheel)? |
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| 21:02.09 | wols_ | gamag: but the better way is finding out what hardware you have. and that has nothing to do with driver it uses |
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| 21:05.09 | minus198 | dubmood |
| 21:05.10 | minus198 | ops |
| 21:05.22 | minus198 | http://pastebin.com/m573cd7e1 <<--- Can someone help me troubleshoot that? |
| 21:06.14 | jelly-home | minus198: a channel for wine will probably be a better place |
| 21:06.18 | minus198 | ow |
| 21:06.19 | hikenboot | greetings when using gparted I keep getting output partitions that fdisk says does not end on cylinder boundary obviously with gparted command line you have to use discreet values for this not to happen..question is there a program for choosing these discreet values? |
| 21:06.20 | minus198 | so true |
| 21:07.01 | hikenboot | or perhaps a formula |
| 21:08.02 | wols_ | hikenboot: since harddisks don't use cylinders anymore for addressing, this is moot |
| 21:08.17 | wols_ | hikenboot: it all depends on the (virtual) disk geometry |
| 21:09.59 | john_scrotum | isn't this fun? hahaha |
| 21:10.25 | lontra | wols_: what about splashy? i asked dpkg about 'why splashy is not in testing' and it seemed like it was only held up because of one platform |
| 21:11.09 | hikenboot | wols_ as always thank you ...can you please point me to some documentation on virtual disk geometry so i can avoid these issues using gparted command line? |
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| 21:14.41 | Tramp | hikenboot: I may be wrong, but I think you have always 255 (virtual) heads and 63 sectors with a HD over 8GB. Thus a "cylinder" always has 16065 sectors |
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| 21:15.20 | jelly-home | Tramp: only, it's not always. |
| 21:15.55 | jelly-home | Tramp: some machines (bioses) use a X/240/63 geometry instead of Y/255/63 |
| 21:16.22 | jelly-home | gparted doesn't handle those correctly. |
| 21:16.35 | jelly-home | (those = the former, X/240/63) |
| 21:16.41 | Tramp | jelly-home: ah, ok. |
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| 21:18.08 | hikenboot | so other than gparted is there another command line utility to use instead? |
| 21:18.17 | ben_goodger | parted? |
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| 21:19.15 | hikenboot | sorry I made a mistake I was using parted on the command line when I had does not end on cylinder boundary error |
| 21:19.27 | krifur | hello, how can i see if a DVD is empty or not via the command line ? |
| 21:19.42 | hikenboot | should I be specifying the cylinders/sectors as options would that prevent the problem |
| 21:19.56 | streuner | krifur: try to mount it |
| 21:19.59 | Gm4n | krifur: as a guess, I'd say mount it read only and look to see if anything's there |
| 21:20.37 | krifur | it s possible to mount an empty dvd no ? |
| 21:20.46 | streuner | no |
| 21:20.50 | krifur | what should be the answer if the DVD is empty ? |
| 21:21.13 | h3sp4wn | Is there a certain way to probe the bios for how much video memory a box has |
| 21:21.15 | streuner | no possible to mount, no superblock found or such |
| 21:21.32 | RockerMONO | why wont Alsamixer let me adjust the master volume or anything like that?... i have to adjust it through w/e i'm listening to music through |
| 21:21.38 | krifur | i ve got this : |
| 21:21.41 | krifur | mount: block device /dev/scd0 is write-protected, mounting read-only |
| 21:21.41 | krifur | mount: you must specify the filesystem type |
| 21:22.12 | streuner | krifur: ls -l /dev/scd0 |
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| 21:22.38 | krifur | streuner: brw-rw---- 1 root cdrom 11, 0 2007-12-01 11:37 /dev/scd0 |
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| 21:23.58 | streuner | krifur: i didnt see these kind of error, so it might be a configure thingie too |
| 21:23.58 | krifur | it means that the DVD is empty, actually my problem if that i cannot burn any of those recent DVD i bought so i m going to try to burn them whitout k3b just with console line, but first i have to check if there are empty |
| 21:24.36 | streuner | krifur: What does 'dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1' say? |
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| 21:24.54 | krifur | ii libc6 2.6.1-1+b1 GNU C Library: Shared libraries |
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| 21:25.23 | streuner | krifur: What kernel? (cat /proc/version) |
| 21:25.49 | krifur | i try this command it seems deprecated cdrecord -atip dev=1,0,0 |
| 21:25.54 | krifur | lenny |
| 21:26.09 | krifur | last binary kernel from aptitude |
| 21:26.22 | krifur | 2.6.22-3-686 |
| 21:26.23 | eth01 | how do i work out what type of ram I have, lspi? |
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| 21:26.29 | eth01 | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:26.42 | RockerMONO | why would alasmixer let me adjust: headphone, pcm, front, front mic, line, cd ,mic, input source - but i have speakers hooked up to 'front' and and set front to 0/100 and it's still blasting enough to distort |
| 21:27.08 | streuner | eth01: try dmidecode, but you need to open the box and look at it, at least |
| 21:27.35 | streuner | krifur: wodim it is |
| 21:27.35 | ben_goodger | hello again; is it possible to get X, inkscape etc to use macintosh fonts? |
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| 21:27.51 | RockerMONO | ok i have everything set to 0 and my music is loud enough to be heard |
| 21:28.03 | gravity | ben_goodger: They should be the same type of font, iirc |
| 21:28.04 | krifur | streuner: wodim, what is that ? |
| 21:28.12 | streuner | !wodim |
| 21:28.12 | dpkg | wodim is, like, a DFSG compliant fork of <cdrecord>. See http://lwn.net/Articles/198171/ about the release notice. |
| 21:28.22 | ben_goodger | gravity: I wish... these things have names like dfont and such |
| 21:28.28 | krifur | streuner: thx |
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| 21:28.34 | gravity | hrm |
| 21:28.45 | goundy | Hello |
| 21:28.45 | ben_goodger | fontforge says they contain a number of fonts, which it can read |
| 21:28.59 | goundy | I have a problem installing my ATI drivers |
| 21:29.04 | gravity | Yeah, I've never heard of a dfont |
| 21:29.08 | goundy | I've an X.org 7.1 |
| 21:29.17 | goundy | and the driver said: unknown x server... etc |
| 21:29.49 | goundy | When I run it, it tell me to choose between several values I do it but it ask me same thing again :/ |
| 21:30.35 | krifur | whats the best to burn an iso with the command line, i m going to try this :cdrecord -v speed=2 dev=1,0,0 image.iso anyone know a better way ? |
| 21:31.03 | smiler | drop the speed argument, cdrecord usually does a good job of figuring out write speed |
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| 21:31.11 | krifur | ok |
| 21:32.02 | b0ha | what editor do you guys use for php/html/javascript ? |
| 21:32.02 | smiler | and maybe enable burnfree (buffer underrun protection) if your drive supports it |
| 21:32.05 | krifur | i m going to try this better k3b doesn t want to work with this kind of dvd |
| 21:32.07 | goundy | No fucking idea for me ? am stuck on that shit since 3hour .... |
| 21:32.07 | smiler | b0ha: I use vim or emacs (depending on my current mood) |
| 21:32.23 | krifur | scite is good as well |
| 21:32.24 | goundy | going to think that who said: "ubuntu sux" is a dumbass |
| 21:32.53 | b0ha | smiler, does vim color the code ? |
| 21:32.57 | gamag | what is the kernel version in lenny? |
| 21:33.01 | smiler | b0ha: yes |
| 21:34.03 | streuner | krifur: CD or DVD? |
| 21:34.26 | h3xis | gamag, 2.6.22 |
| 21:34.30 | b0ha | smiler, do i have to install any additional things for vim or enable some options ? |
| 21:34.31 | gamag | "aptitude install jigdo-lite" installs nothing. |
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| 21:34.49 | b0ha | because if i open .php file with vim i have only black/white |
| 21:34.55 | krifur | streuner: DVD |
| 21:35.04 | b0ha | without lines counter |
| 21:35.09 | smiler | b0ha: :set syntax=html does the trick for me |
| 21:35.13 | smiler | or php |
| 21:35.23 | streuner | krifur: you cannot burn DVDs with wodim (cdrecord) |
| 21:35.29 | krifur | cdrecord doesn t want to work also i going to check this wodim |
| 21:35.42 | smiler | b0ha: add "syntax on" to your ~/.vimrc |
| 21:35.43 | krifur | ahh ok |
| 21:36.00 | krifur | is it possible with an other software ? |
| 21:36.12 | streuner | !info dvd+rw-tools |
| 21:36.15 | dpkg | dvd+rw-tools: (DVD+-RW/R tools), section utils, is optional. Version: 7.0-7 (sid), Packaged size: 142 kB, Installed size: 396 kB |
| 21:36.26 | smiler | krifur: most of them are frontends to cdrecord/cdrdao |
| 21:36.34 | krifur | even k3b ? |
| 21:36.41 | smiler | yes |
| 21:36.42 | wols_ | krifur: yes |
| 21:36.51 | wols_ | and debian has no cdrecord anymore, only wodim |
| 21:36.53 | smiler | newer versions of cdrecord supports dvd-writing |
| 21:36.53 | wols_ | !odim |
| 21:36.57 | wols_ | !wodim |
| 21:36.57 | dpkg | somebody said wodim was a DFSG compliant fork of <cdrecord>. See http://lwn.net/Articles/198171/ about the release notice. |
| 21:37.34 | dalias | growisofs is a much nicer tool for dvds |
| 21:37.34 | b0ha | ok tnx smiler |
| 21:37.38 | dalias | i wish it supported cd burning too |
| 21:37.59 | dalias | of course with modern kernels you can just do cat foo.iso > /dev/cdwriter |
| 21:38.10 | krifur | damn i dont know what i can do i think i ve got corrupted DVD because k3b crash every time i try to burn some data, so o want to try a different software do you knoww some ? |
| 21:38.21 | dalias | i think k3b just sucks |
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| 21:38.37 | streuner | well, it works like a charm here |
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| 21:38.58 | streuner | maybe you have the wrong burner |
| 21:39.12 | krifur | can you burn dvd with growisofs ? |
| 21:39.16 | dalias | yes |
| 21:39.32 | krifur | ok i m going to try this one |
| 21:39.37 | dalias | growisofs -Z /dev/scd0=foo.iso |
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| 21:39.46 | goundy | guys look: |
| 21:39.46 | krifur | you know the basic command line to burn an .iso ? |
| 21:39.46 | goundy | - recreating module dependency list |
| 21:39.47 | goundy | - trying a sample load of the kernel modules |
| 21:39.47 | goundy | failed. |
| 21:39.47 | goundy | [Error] Kernel Module : Failed to install compiled kernel module - please consult readme |
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| 21:39.54 | goundy | :( |
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| 21:40.04 | goundy | Don't understand what's happening |
| 21:40.07 | streuner | Who told you to flood the channel? |
| 21:40.14 | krifur | dalias: thx :) you read in my brain |
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| 21:40.17 | goundy | I wasn't flooding ... |
| 21:40.28 | goundy | though 4lines wasn't too much ... |
| 21:40.36 | streuner | more than 3 lines is flooding here |
| 21:40.40 | goundy | ok |
| 21:40.52 | goundy | then what about my problem? |
| 21:41.06 | gamag | I can't find any testing .iso here:- http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/weekly-builds/amd64/iso-cd/ ? |
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| 21:41.33 | rubymonk | goundy, Consult the readme ? |
| 21:41.34 | wols_ | gamag: why do you need it? |
| 21:41.55 | gamag | wols_: to install in my new laptop |
| 21:41.59 | goundy | rubymonk, I've the fucking supported version of X.org ... |
| 21:42.04 | wols_ | gamag: use etch |
| 21:42.25 | goundy | and there's no readme file .... |
| 21:42.32 | gamag | wols_: that doesn't work at all. it doesn't detect ethernet, sound, etc. |
| 21:42.44 | wols_ | !tell gamag about kmuto |
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| 21:43.09 | wols_ | goundy: what module did you try to load? |
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| 21:43.16 | goundy | wols_, ati drivers |
| 21:43.25 | goundy | it tried to load it itself after the installation |
| 21:43.33 | wols_ | goundy: did you compile them the debian way? |
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| 21:43.48 | goundy | wols_, I've ran the .run file given by ATI |
| 21:44.06 | wols_ | goundy: then ask #ati or whoever. not us. their software -> their problem |
| 21:44.17 | goundy | wols_, it's a debian problem |
| 21:44.19 | gamag | wols_: which one should I download, .iso or .img.gz? |
| 21:44.20 | goundy | On ubuntu it works ... |
| 21:44.28 | mc__ | Im looking for some small,simple mailserver with smtp and pop3 which is easy to configure and uses little memory. may you recommend me one? ATM im using postfix but that looks like an overkill to me |
| 21:44.36 | shigarame | etch system, just installed apache2, apache2-doc. surfing to /doc/apache2/manual/index.html shows that "content negotiation" is not working. how do I get it default to the .html.en files (english)? |
| 21:44.45 | wols_ | goundy: it's only a debian problem if you install debs. if you install stuff from source, proprietary shit even: your problem or vendor problem. you decide |
| 21:44.56 | goundy | :/ |
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| 21:45.21 | goundy | wols_, you know what, I just get it.. debian isn't as powerful as I've read on the internet |
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| 21:45.42 | goundy | just done however |
| 21:45.45 | wols_ | newsflash: all software is shit |
| 21:45.56 | dalias | goundy, you have a weird idea of "powerful" |
| 21:46.14 | dalias | don't troll here expecting it to get you help |
| 21:46.24 | goundy | am not trlling |
| 21:46.28 | goundy | but I asked a question |
| 21:46.36 | goundy | and the boy above is sending me out... |
| 21:46.39 | dalias | debian has perfectly good free drivers |
| 21:46.47 | wols_ | goundy: an OT question. and when the answer didn't suit you, you trolled. now go back into your cave |
| 21:46.48 | gamag | wols_: how to install that stuff. the kmuto thing comes as .iso file. so I need to burn it to a CD and then what? |
| 21:47.02 | wols_ | gamag: how do you install etch? |
| 21:47.04 | dalias | if you choose to try proprietary crap that's misdesigned and breaking your system, that's your problem |
| 21:47.07 | zicho | how can i make a script that replaces a word in a file with another word= |
| 21:47.09 | dalias | this is not like windows |
| 21:47.12 | streuner | wols_: please... |
| 21:47.13 | goundy | wols_, when you don't know something just shut up ... |
| 21:47.19 | dalias | where you download crap from manufacturer's website and run it |
| 21:47.19 | goundy | dalias, thanks I'll check that |
| 21:47.22 | krifur | my try to burn a dvd with growisofs failed :/ i think my dvd are shit, is there a way to know if dvd are compatible with my dvd-recorder ? |
| 21:47.24 | gamag | wols_: but it such a small .iso file, it would probably install only the base stuff. and all the rest I have to install from Internet? :-O ? |
| 21:47.30 | dalias | stuff from manuf. site should be considered equivalent to any malware |
| 21:47.43 | dalias | krifur, what message? |
| 21:47.52 | goundy | dalias, didn't get that cuz on my other linux is worked perfectly |
| 21:47.53 | krifur | dalias: the pastebin http://pastebin.com/m54fc38c |
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| 21:48.07 | wols_ | gamag: it's a netinst. prefered way of installing debian. you have to download the big CD ISOs too, so what's the matter if you download it after installation instead of before. same download |
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| 21:48.35 | krifur | i going to try again |
| 21:48.35 | wols_ | !tell goundy about fglrx |
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| 21:49.12 | gamag | wols_: I didn't get you. if it is netinst, why do you have to download big CD ISOs? |
| 21:49.14 | h3sp4wn | goundy: unless you have a reason not to then use netinst (reason could be only wireless card with no ethernet or loads of others) |
| 21:49.25 | gamag | wols_: moreover I already have Debian 4.0 r0 CD-1 |
| 21:49.28 | wols_ | gamag: you don't. you said you wanted to download them |
| 21:49.36 | gamag | wols_: ok |
| 21:49.41 | dalias | goundy, other linuxes often encourage bad practices that leave your system in a state of unmaintainable crap |
| 21:49.45 | wols_ | if you want to install from 700MB CDs you have to donwload them first |
| 21:50.10 | goundy | dalias, didn't feel that man.. My ubuntu is working without any problem. Am not okay with you |
| 21:50.24 | gravity | goundy: Why not just go use ubuntu then? |
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| 21:50.30 | dalias | indeed |
| 21:50.38 | gravity | goundy: Alternately, why not use the fglrx .deb? |
| 21:50.44 | dalias | if you love spending $50/month compiling, go do it |
| 21:51.04 | goundy | you know what you are right. |
| 21:51.06 | gravity | goundy: Either way, trolling in here is not the way t get help |
| 21:51.10 | goundy | I'll stay on my ubuntu ;) |
| 21:51.14 | goundy | am not trolling |
| 21:51.21 | wols_ | goundy: thank you for your wise decision |
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| 21:51.38 | goundy | and thank you for your "***" answer |
| 21:51.40 | goundy | Bye |
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| 21:51.45 | dalias | lol |
| 21:51.49 | wols_ | !custommer |
| 21:51.51 | streuner | !customer |
| 21:51.51 | dpkg | Another happy customer leaves the building |
| 21:51.55 | Tramp | already sunday in Belgium? |
| 21:51.56 | fisxo1 | haha |
| 21:52.07 | streuner | !permanent sunday |
| 21:52.30 | blahblahx | is there a way to delete every file in every subfolder except ones with a certain title? for example, i want to delete all the files in /usr/share/doc except the copyright files (but i want to keep the subfolders) |
| 21:52.34 | dalias | oh ubuntu. i thought he'd said gentoo :P |
| 21:52.41 | dalias | shows how little i was paying attention.. |
| 21:53.04 | dalias | blahblahx, use find |
| 21:53.04 | wols_ | gentoo people are a different kind of troll |
| 21:53.08 | wols_ | and they think they know more |
| 21:53.15 | dalias | :) |
| 21:53.16 | blahblahx | dalias: sorry im a bit newb. please explain |
| 21:53.26 | dalias | i dont know the exact syntax right off |
| 21:53.34 | dalias | but i'm pretty sure 'find' can do it for you |
| 21:53.36 | streuner | wols_: thats not a distro specific question ;-) |
| 21:53.41 | gravity | Can find do negation? |
| 21:53.41 | dalias | read the manual |
| 21:53.47 | dalias | i think so |
| 21:53.59 | wols_ | streuner: where did you see a "?"? |
| 21:53.59 | dalias | gnu find especially can do all kinds of things that find was never meant to do |
| 21:54.20 | blahblahx | dalias: but what would be an example of its use? |
| 21:54.24 | wols_ | dalias: that's a description of almost any GNU program... |
| 21:54.32 | streuner | wols_: issue* then |
| 21:54.36 | Gnurdux | dalias, like run a command on every file matching some pattern? |
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| 21:55.55 | blahblahx | id love some sort of answer |
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| 21:56.36 | wAndyw78 | I've now installed a minimal linux on my USB flash pen. If i try to bot from this only "GRUB" appears, not "stage" or something else. If I boot with "qemu /dev/sda" all works fine. So how can I traceback the problem? |
| 21:56.53 | wAndyw78 | s/linux/debian lenny/g |
| 21:57.55 | Tramp | blahblahx: to get you started: find /usr/share/doc -type f \! -name \*copyright -exec ls {} \; |
| 21:58.10 | blahblahx | Tramp: what does that command do? |
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| 21:58.46 | Tramp | blahblahx: Please read "man find" and look for the options I provided. |
| 21:58.46 | abrotman | it will show you all the files not matching *copyright |
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| 21:59.24 | hikenboot | wAndyw78 I had the same problem |
| 21:59.24 | polter | hi people, was wondering if someone got a good tip of east-to-use encryption-apps.. |
| 21:59.26 | gravity | blahblahx: Something like find . ! -name 'copyright' | xargs rm |
| 21:59.35 | polter | want to encrypt some documents |
| 21:59.38 | gravity | blahblahx: Test it with something other than rm first, like echo |
| 21:59.42 | hikenboot | figured it out it was the kernel package I was installing |
| 21:59.57 | gravity | Ah, Tramp beat me to it with a better answer |
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| 22:00.02 | gravity | I hate -exec though, it's so baroque |
| 22:00.17 | hikenboot | I used the general package and it was causing the problem when i specified the 386 or 686 it worked |
| 22:00.18 | wAndyw78 | hikenboot: I am using 2.6.22-3-686 |
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| 22:00.33 | hikenboot | which apt-get package? |
| 22:00.41 | Tramp | gravity: I wanted to give a simple example - and with xargs you would need print0 / -0 |
| 22:00.47 | blahblahx | gravity: will doing what tramp said actually delete the files? if so, will it preserve the subfolders? |
| 22:01.04 | dalias | xargs is obsolete |
| 22:01.05 | Gnurdux | wAndyw78, that doesnt sound like a kernel problem |
| 22:01.08 | zythmer | blahblahx: -type f |
| 22:01.11 | dalias | find .... -exec command '{}' + |
| 22:01.29 | gravity | blahblahx: You should definitely read the manpage to find to understand the command tramp gave you |
| 22:01.44 | Rui | hello |
| 22:01.49 | gravity | Tramp: point |
| 22:01.53 | gravity | dalias: I disagree |
| 22:01.58 | gravity | I like it way better than xargs |
| 22:02.00 | wAndyw78 | hikenboot: linux-image-686, this installed 2.6.22-3-686 |
| 22:02.02 | blahblahx | i did gravity but im still not sure if it will actually remove stuff |
| 22:02.05 | gravity | er.. -exec |
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| 22:02.17 | Rui | is there any way to install sid directly from the netinstall cd? |
| 22:02.21 | gravity | blahblahx: Well, you should read more carefully and try to understand what it does in full |
| 22:02.27 | dalias | gravity, why? |
| 22:02.38 | wAndyw78 | Gnurdux: Any hints? It boots well using qemu /dev/sda |
| 22:02.39 | gravity | blahblahx: find is a really powerful program, and you should understand what it does before running it |
| 22:02.42 | dalias | find ... + is portable. xargs -0 is not |
| 22:02.46 | hikenboot | hmm that was the one that worked for me...I was following these directions http://feraga.com/node/94 did it six times and failed I changed the package and wango the problem went away |
| 22:02.47 | Gnurdux | which is strange |
| 22:02.49 | abrotman | Rui: maybe with expert mode |
| 22:02.55 | Gnurdux | maybe your computer doesnt like booting from flash drives |
| 22:02.58 | Rui | hmm ok i'll try |
| 22:02.59 | gravity | dalias: You don't have bizarre quoting issues that you do with -exec |
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| 22:03.03 | Gnurdux | can you boot something like DSL on a flash disk? |
| 22:03.22 | blahblahx | gravity: i know but im in a time crunch, so althouh i know this isnt very linux like, i would like to just do this |
| 22:03.22 | abrotman | Rui: i've seen the option .. but i can't remember which installer had it .. either netinst .. or businesscard |
| 22:03.27 | wAndyw78 | hikenboot: I used the Automated Installer from this page you postet, had to patch the python skript a bit |
| 22:03.27 | neoneurone | Hi all. I'm looking for a brave man willing to compile and test a pre release opensource game on Debian |
| 22:03.31 | hikenboot | Gnurdux see the directions I just gave the url to |
| 22:03.40 | gravity | blahblahx: His line won't delete your files, no |
| 22:03.46 | gravity | blahblahx: But it can be adapted to do so |
| 22:04.06 | hikenboot | i would love to see your patches that automatic installer didnt work for me |
| 22:04.13 | blahblahx | gravity: by adding -exec command '{}' + rm ? |
| 22:04.15 | gravity | blahblahx: Seriously, no one wants to take responsibility for telling you how to delete files from your tree. That's insane. |
| 22:04.17 | Gnurdux | hikenboot, how could it be a kernel problem if GRUB is crashing before it even gets to the menu screen? |
| 22:04.23 | dalias | gravity, -exec has no quoting issues. |
| 22:04.28 | gravity | dalias: I've run in to plenty |
| 22:04.37 | Rui | abrotman, i heard about businesscard before, but dont know exactly what is it |
| 22:04.41 | gravity | anyway, I'm off |
| 22:04.45 | blahblahx | gravity: well ive backed up the directory, so if i mess up, no biggie |
| 22:04.47 | dalias | gravity, the comand given to -exec is not a shell command |
| 22:04.48 | Tramp | ... I knew that exactly this discussion would be triggered again by any example involving find .... |
| 22:04.52 | Claudio32m | is there something better than putty for windows to access my debian systems? |
| 22:04.53 | hikenboot | I found that it wasnt creating the links right...or at least I thought that was the problem maybe I fixed it and just didnt realize how |
| 22:04.53 | dalias | it's a literal argv[] array |
| 22:04.55 | abrotman | Rui: a minimalistic installer .. you *must* have internet available to finish the install |
| 22:05.03 | krifur | ok growisofs fail again to burn a dvd iso, i try now with k3b, i check the diskinfo option and it seems that the DVD is ok: size:4.4GB Empty:yes Layers:1, but i m sure that it will fail (happens a lot of time with these dvd) anyone know a good settings to make this thing works? |
| 22:05.12 | abrotman | Claudio32m: what's wrong with putty? |
| 22:05.18 | Rui | abrotman, yeah just like netinstall so |
| 22:05.21 | gravity | dalias: I've had different effects with braces and escaping depending on whether I'm using zsh or bash |
| 22:05.23 | Claudio32m | the terminal emululations |
| 22:05.30 | gravity | dalias: xargs had no troubles |
| 22:05.35 | abrotman | Rui: no .. a netinst doesn't require the internet to get a base system isntalled |
| 22:05.40 | gravity | So yeah, xargs is awesome, -exec is baroque |
| 22:05.44 | abrotman | Claudio32m: configure it? |
| 22:05.45 | gravity | Anyway, I'm really off |
| 22:05.51 | Rui | hmm right |
| 22:05.53 | h3sp4wn | Claudio32m: You can buy the official ssh windows client |
| 22:06.04 | Claudio32m | h3p - whats the url |
| 22:06.09 | h3sp4wn | Claudio32m: ssh.com |
| 22:06.14 | Claudio32m | ok |
| 22:06.18 | wAndyw78 | hikenboot: First the warning confirmation is wrong, change if confirmation == "yes" or confirmation=="y" to if confirmation !="yes" and confirmation!="y" and then cahnge apt-get install dhcp-client to dhcp3-client, thats it |
| 22:06.19 | hikenboot | only real problem I still have with those directions is the parted command keeps producing disk geometry problems gparted does not and I cant seem to unmount things it says their busy and in use |
| 22:06.35 | dalias | gravity, zsh is baroque |
| 22:06.48 | blahblahx | Tramp: so could you tell me how to actually remove these files? I have /usr/share/doc backed up, so no biggie if i mess up |
| 22:06.51 | Claudio32m | the problem with putty is I can get gcc to work fine with the right emulation but then aptitude screws up |
| 22:06.53 | Claudio32m | i cant get both |
| 22:07.00 | Rui | i'll try with businesscard then |
| 22:07.10 | hikenboot | wAndyw78 what are you doing this for if i can ask anything special? |
| 22:07.22 | wAndyw78 | Gnurdux: I don't believe thats a kernel problem |
| 22:07.27 | Gnurdux | so |
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| 22:07.48 | Rui | when i install with netinst and want to upgrade packets there's always many problems |
| 22:07.52 | Gnurdux | the fact that it works in qemu is strange |
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| 22:07.56 | abrotman | Rui: use a CDRW if you can .. so you can erase/retry etc |
| 22:08.02 | malduin | h3sp4wn, I think I solved my soundcard issue. I added snd_ac97_codec, snd_ac97_bus, and snd_intel8x0 to the /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist file. Alsa is using my creative pci card and speakers now. |
| 22:08.08 | Gnurdux | wait, maybe its not |
| 22:08.11 | wAndyw78 | Gnurdux: bootet now wit qemu and rerun grub root(hd0,1) setup (hd0), I'll have a try |
| 22:08.18 | wAndyw78 | hikenboot: What? |
| 22:08.22 | Gnurdux | does qemu treat it as a hard disk? |
| 22:08.37 | h3sp4wn | malduin: If you was going to blacklist all those you could have just disabled it in the bios |
| 22:08.41 | hikenboot | what are you trying to build just run your system from flash? |
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| 22:08.56 | Tramp | blahblahx: ok. since you asked: replace "ls" in my example with "rm". Don't blame me for any mishaps. |
| 22:08.56 | Rui | abrotman, yeah thats something i've learned already :P |
| 22:08.57 | hikenboot | If so you have to be careful not to put the swap on the usb drive |
| 22:09.04 | hikenboot | it will cause premature failure |
| 22:09.16 | malduin | h3sp4wn, Yes I know but I want to keep the onboard card available to WinXP |
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| 22:09.17 | blahblahx | Tramp: okay thank you very much |
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| 22:09.47 | wAndyw78 | Gnurdux: Yes |
| 22:09.47 | Rui | i want to build a system with fluxbox |
| 22:10.20 | Rui | the cleanest possible |
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| 22:10.35 | abrotman | Rui: install the base system .. go to wahtever version of debian you want .. then install the rest of the system you want |
| 22:10.47 | wAndyw78 | hikenboot: Sure... I want to have an encryptet (dm-crypt) minimal debian system which I can boot but also run apt-get update, so I don't want a debian live system |
| 22:10.59 | Claudio32m | 162$ for the ssh client at ssh.com, thats insane, i'll live with putty |
| 22:10.59 | hikenboot | ah ok |
| 22:11.13 | wAndyw78 | hikenboot: I'll reboot now |
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| 22:11.44 | h3sp4wn | abrotman: now advocating sid ? "go to wahtever version of debian you want" some people may take that to mean - use sid :) |
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| 22:11.48 | hikenboot | I am building a virtual machine manager cd to boot from flash...project is kind of trumped by embeded linux versions though that dell is producing |
| 22:11.56 | Rui | abrotman, tell me somehthing, after i install the base system how do i go to sid? |
| 22:11.56 | abrotman | h3sp4wn: he already asked for it |
| 22:11.56 | Rui | upgrade? |
| 22:12.01 | abrotman | Rui: if you don't know .. you shouldn't .. |
| 22:12.05 | Rui | lol |
| 22:12.13 | GuHHH | i've a doubt about linux running on vmware... how do i configure the services IP's on the vmware linux? 127.0.0.1? Will VMWARE translate the real interface address to the vmware's IP address? |
| 22:12.20 | abrotman | Rui: i am willing to tell you how to get to lenny .. but that's it |
| 22:12.20 | abrotman | !sid upgrade |
| 22:12.25 | dpkg | Repeat after me: Sid is NOT AN UPGRADE! Sid is meant for developers and testers, so stay away from it if you're neither. Use stable or testing instead. |
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| 22:13.07 | Gnurdux | however, if you know how to get to lenny you can get to sid :) just replace lenny in all of his instructions with sid (or testing with unstable) |
| 22:13.20 | malduin | h3sp4wn, the only thing I haven't figured out yet is how to have the gnome sounds (ESD) working |
| 22:13.51 | cusco | not worth it |
| 22:13.54 | cusco | use dmix instead |
| 22:14.03 | h3sp4wn | malduin: I would avoid esd if you can |
| 22:14.03 | Gnurdux | unstable is a bad idea unless you really know what your doing though... you need to notice that unstable upgrades are gonna break your box when they are |
| 22:14.14 | h3sp4wn | I am very happy with my kernel based mixing that oss gives me |
| 22:14.28 | Gnurdux | does oss do mixing? |
| 22:14.44 | Gnurdux | oh nvm |
| 22:14.48 | cusco | !dmix |
| 22:14.48 | dpkg | i guess dmix is an alsa subsystem which allows a music device to play multiple sound streams simultaneously without the need for an external sound server. See http://alsa.opensrc.org/Dmix, or another sample asound.conf at img.hexus.net/v2/features/foss/a3/images/asound.conf, or http://phaeronix.net/asoundrc |
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| 22:15.19 | sparr_ | i would like to view large versions of images while selecting (or not) them to be moved. is there a file manager that can do that? |
| 22:15.38 | malduin | h3sp4wn, ok we'll thanks for the help todya |
| 22:15.42 | malduin | today |
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| 22:15.56 | h3sp4wn | Gnurdux: http://www.4front-tech.com/developer/sources/stable/oss-v4.0-build1009-src-gpl.tar.bz2 |
| 22:16.21 | Gnurdux | well anyways alsa usually beats OSS |
| 22:17.02 | Decepticon | i have a external usb hdd thats making some wierd noises, how can i diagnose a problem from within debian? |
| 22:17.11 | h3sp4wn | Gnurdux: That is the common viewpoint - although not of those who I know who have used both |
| 22:17.28 | Gnurdux | is OSS still maintained? |
| 22:17.48 | h3sp4wn | Gnurdux: Yes by a company who understands high quality sound |
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| 22:18.26 | h3sp4wn | and actually does regression testing |
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| 22:19.51 | wAndyw78 | back again |
| 22:20.18 | wAndyw78 | hikenboot: doesn't boot on my PC, but on my HP notebook, so it is a BIOS/Motherboard Problem |
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| 22:20.41 | jelly-home | h3sp4wn: too bad that code, but the authors own words, isn't gpl but gpl+usage restrictions |
| 22:20.55 | jelly-home | h3sp4wn: so it won't be in debian |
| 22:21.04 | h3sp4wn | jelly-home: Has that already been said ? |
| 22:21.08 | jelly-home | s/but/by/ |
| 22:21.12 | wAndyw78 | Gnurdux: Works on my laptop, BIOS Problem, thanks for your and hikenboots help |
| 22:22.05 | jelly-home | h3sp4wn: it was somewhere on his blog. He has an interesting understanding of gpl. |
| 22:22.30 | pumpkin0 | I want to move a partition down by 1GB. What prog to use ? |
| 22:22.34 | h3sp4wn | jelly-home: That will be fine by me as long as Debian keeps the apps compiled with both oss and alsa outputs |
| 22:22.42 | Gnurdux | try a BIOS upgrade maybe then? |
| 22:22.49 | polter | pumpkin0, gparted maybe |
| 22:22.54 | h3sp4wn | jelly-home: (dunno whether that is certain though because of the ubuntu influence) |
| 22:22.54 | jelly-home | h3sp4wn: yeah, no problems for usage. |
| 22:23.07 | pumpkin0 | polter: does it matter if the partition-type is NTFS ? |
| 22:23.21 | jelly-home | h3sp4wn: ubuntu is disabling oss support? |
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| 22:23.39 | polter | pumpkin0, don't know really. But it shouldn't really |
| 22:23.42 | h3sp4wn | jelly-home: Don't think so yet but I don't think they like it |
| 22:24.19 | h3sp4wn | jelly-home: and as it is known alot of their people have direct access to commit to debian |
| 22:24.21 | polter | pumpkin0, I have rezised NTFS with gparted without an issue |
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| 22:24.50 | pumpkin0 | polter: sounds good. i will give it a shot. |
| 22:24.58 | polter | pumpkin0, you do that. |
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| 22:25.22 | cusco | at wikipedia? |
| 22:25.24 | cusco | woa |
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| 22:25.55 | cusco | did not know wikipedia had a irc community |
| 22:25.55 | xjkx | a user can be in more than one group right ? when i chmod to give access to the group of the user, am i giving access to all of his groups ? cant i be more specific ? |
| 22:26.04 | eth01 | heh |
| 22:26.10 | unixipher | why gnash does not have controller buttons for forwarding rewinding and pause,the running swf file, is there any way to do so? |
| 22:26.40 | abrotman | unixipher: gnash is fairly alpha/beta quality |
| 22:27.32 | unixipher | abrotman, is the any alternative to do so? |
| 22:27.41 | abrotman | see adobe.com ? |
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| 22:31.09 | klikklak | hi all, I was wondering if theres a popular free software basecamp alternative? All I can find are for-pay setups like activecollab |
| 22:31.24 | xjkx | is my question that much hard ?:o |
| 22:31.42 | nick_ | I have a shell script in cron.daily called "newsconomymysqlbackup" |
| 22:31.47 | abrotman | yes.. you can be in more than one group |
| 22:31.56 | mudge | but "newsconomymysqlbackup" never runs |
| 22:32.01 | mudge | anybody have any idea why? |
| 22:32.01 | abrotman | is it +x ? |
| 22:32.08 | abrotman | can you run it manually? |
| 22:32.12 | mudge | yes |
| 22:32.18 | jelly-home | xjkx: it's not that hard. |
| 22:32.18 | mudge | i run ./newsconomymysqlbackup and it runs fine |
| 22:32.35 | mudge | but it never runs as a cron job |
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| 22:33.17 | xjkx | Then if the user xjkx is on the groups: hello, hi and hey, if i give access on a file chmod +g (or something) to the group of the owner of the file, all these groups are gonna have access ? |
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| 22:33.50 | mudge | does anybody know what user cron jobs run as in cron.daily? |
| 22:34.07 | Nielsen | mudge: root, i believe |
| 22:34.25 | mudge | right |
| 22:34.28 | xjkx | I want a user to be in many groups but just one of the groups he is should have access to that file |
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| 22:34.51 | mudge | anybody ever had that problem where they put a shell script in cron.daily and it doesn't run as a cron job? |
| 22:35.03 | klikklak | well, I guess I'll have to fall back to wikis, I don't feel like convincing fellow project members to splurge tens of dollars on a limited licence to basecamp |
| 22:35.07 | xjkx | Like file.txt can be accessed by the people who are in Hello group only, even though the user xjkx is on hello, hi and hey groups |
| 22:35.08 | socialist | gawd someone slap me if I ever consider going into #ubuntu again |
| 22:35.23 | bucky | mudge, is it executible? |
| 22:35.37 | klikklak | I guess this type of project will materialize in the future though |
| 22:35.38 | mudge | yes |
| 22:35.43 | mudge | bucky: yes |
| 22:35.53 | bucky | what are the perms? |
| 22:36.03 | mudge | -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 163 2007-11-20 23:08 newsconomymysqlbacku |
| 22:36.04 | Tramp | mudge: in 8/10 cases the name of the script is illegal |
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| 22:36.16 | mudge | newsconomymysqlbackup |
| 22:36.20 | mudge | do you think that name is too long? |
| 22:36.33 | bucky | heh |
| 22:36.38 | abrotman | no |
| 22:36.51 | abrotman | mudge: does it rely on some environment variable? |
| 22:36.59 | Tramp | mudge: no, that name looks ok. |
| 22:37.00 | socialist | does anyone know how/if debian handles apps that need to add env variables, something analogous to /etc/profile.d in gentoo? |
| 22:37.00 | Nielsen | mudge: try adding the whole path to the script in the cron command |
| 22:37.07 | socialist | globally add* |
| 22:37.19 | abrotman | Nielsen: it's part of run-parts .. should be okay |
| 22:37.28 | abrotman | but he might not have the binary called within the script in his path |
| 22:37.30 | mudge | here's the whole shell script: |
| 22:37.30 | mudge | #!/bin/sh |
| 22:37.30 | mudge | /usr/bin/mysqldump -u backup newsconomy > /home/nick/backup/newsconomy.com/`date +%u-%a`.sql |
| 22:37.30 | mudge | gzip -f /home/nick/backup/newsconomy.com/`date +%u-%a`.sql |
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| 22:37.33 | fraco | why is there no checkinstall in debian stable? there is in all other trees? |
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| 22:37.42 | abrotman | !paste |
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| 22:37.49 | mudge | oops |
| 22:37.53 | abrotman | fraco: you can also use stow |
| 22:37.59 | fraco | stow? |
| 22:38.07 | fraco | k |
| 22:38.20 | mudge | i do use this in the cron command: `date +%u-%a` |
| 22:38.41 | abrotman | mudge: full path to gzip ? |
| 22:39.17 | mudge | i don't use the full path: gzip -f /home/nick/backup/newsconomy.com/`date +%u-%a`.sql |
| 22:39.25 | abrotman | so try the full path |
| 22:39.27 | Guerin | mudge: cron has its own environment |
| 22:39.30 | mudge | okay |
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| 22:39.56 | abrotman | might need the full path for date also |
| 22:40.05 | mudge | ah, okay |
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| 22:40.25 | Guerin | you should get a failure email though |
| 22:40.37 | Guerin | might pay to check root@'s inbox |
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| 22:41.47 | mudge | no mail for root |
| 22:42.03 | socialist | the answer to setting global env vars in debian appears to be 'sysprofile'. or just edit /etc/profile |
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| 22:42.15 | Guerin | socialist: never set global anything |
| 22:42.22 | Guerin | !system wide |
| 22:42.22 | dpkg | People who want to make things 'system wide' (aliases, environment variable changes, etc.) are control freaks. Leave your poor users alone. |
| 22:42.32 | mudge | the crontab file sets the PATH variable to this: PATH=/usr/local/sbin:/usr/local/bin:/sbin:/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin |
| 22:42.35 | socialist | Guerin: you're making assumptions |
| 22:42.38 | Guerin | socialist: sure am. |
| 22:42.41 | socialist | Guerin: poor ones |
| 22:42.46 | mudge | because of that, isn't it not necessary to use full path to commands in cron.daily? |
| 22:42.54 | socialist | Guerin: but normally yes I agree |
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| 22:43.19 | Guerin | socialist: it's just that being a control freak is a natural consequence of being a socialist |
| 22:44.25 | jelly-home | xjkx: that's exactly what you'll get if you set group ownership of the file (and the permissions) right |
| 22:44.33 | socialist | nice try though |
| 22:44.56 | h3sp4wn | socialist: You can use /etc/environment if you want |
| 22:45.01 | Guerin | i spent all last night trolling a bunch of commies at a friend's place |
| 22:45.22 | jelly-home | Commies! |
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| 22:45.37 | Guerin | jelly-home: yep. Not mutant traitors, but close. |
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| 22:45.46 | socialist | h3sp4wn: yeah actually setting things isn't really the issue, I'm jsut trying to keep it debian-ish and seeing if there was a facility for that kind of thing |
| 22:46.01 | socialist | rather than just editing /etc/profile|environment, etc. |
| 22:46.10 | Guerin | soft privileged educated white intellectuals who think they've got solidarity wioth the workers despite never having worked a day in their lives |
| 22:46.13 | Tramp | mudge: Does your script turn up if you do "run-parts --test /etc/cron.daily/" |
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| 22:46.42 | mudge | Tramp: should I try that command? |
| 22:46.46 | socialist | I grew up on farm :P |
| 22:46.53 | h3sp4wn | socialist: debian won't touch /etc/environment |
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| 22:47.07 | xjkx | I think its better explaining the problem itself, i have many users who access/delete/create files on a /shared folder, every time someone creates something the owner of that becomes UserX and group GroupX, and then someone else can't access it, but its supposed to everybody access it, then i am thinking to include them all in one other group besides the ones they already are, but when they create files there, the group won't be the one I am expecting will it ? |
| 22:47.10 | Tramp | mudge: yes. It just prints the script run-parts would run but doesn't run them |
| 22:47.16 | mudge | what does run-parts doe? |
| 22:47.29 | Guerin | mudge: man run-parts |
| 22:47.33 | abrotman | there's a run-parts man page |
| 22:47.43 | Guerin | it's a pretty important manpage which you should read thoroughly |
| 22:47.56 | Tramp | mudge: it's the mechanism by which cron runs the file in /etc/cron* - you may want to check that it actually is in the /etc/crontab. |
| 22:48.02 | Guerin | it governs a lot of stuff to do with cron and other adminnery sort of tasks |
| 22:48.03 | mudge | Tramp: yes, it does show up when i run that command |
| 22:48.04 | socialist | h3sp4wn: no, I know, but it's still not quite the same as profile.d . It is definitely better than profile though |
| 22:48.21 | Tramp | mudge: then check your /etc/crontab for the line that runs the run-parts |
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| 22:48.55 | mudge | Tramp: here is the line in crontab: 45 3 * * * root test -x /usr/sbin/anacron || ( cd / && run-parts --report /etc/cron.daily ) |
| 22:49.33 | socialist | Guerin: in regard to your original comment though, this is a software appliance so we are controlling everything. After the users get it, they're welcome to break it any way they like but the preconfiguration is complex and very specific |
| 22:49.51 | mudge | does this line look right in crontab? 45 3 * * * root test -x /usr/sbin/anacron || ( cd / && run-parts --report /etc/cron.daily ) |
| 22:50.03 | Tramp | mudge: then I'm pretty sure your script is run but fails for some reason. You may want to start your script with a "/usr/bin/touch /tmp/foo" just to verify thatt. |
| 22:50.03 | justus | Hello.. i'm running an up-to-date Debian Testing (Kernel 2.6.22-3-686) on a laptop with an Intel 82801G (ICH7 Family) HDA (rev 01) sound chip. In some games (e.g. widelands), I got some noise and so I tried to set some model-options in /etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base. Now, my /dev/sequencer and /dev/snd/seq are gone. Any ideas? |
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| 22:51.59 | mudge | Tramp: thanks |
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| 22:53.35 | mudge | Tramp: but when I manually run my script like so: ./newsconomymysqlbackup it works with no problem |
| 22:53.43 | Tramp | mudge: in case you have /usr/sbin/anacron you may want to check /etc/anacrontab for a similar line. |
| 22:53.47 | abrotman | that's with your environment |
| 22:54.32 | Tramp | mudge: first verify that it is run at all. Then go back and debug the script. |
| 22:54.36 | mudge | how do i manually run ./newsconomymysqlbackup in the cron environment? |
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| 22:54.49 | bipolar | Is there any way to disable udev during boot in the initrd? I'm using ldap users/groups and it just doesn't work on boot since slapd isn't running. |
| 22:55.38 | socialist | bipolar: set your bind_policy in ldap.conf to "soft" |
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| 22:56.09 | bipolar | socialist: ok. I'll give that a shot. |
| 22:56.13 | bipolar | socialist: ty |
| 22:56.18 | socialist | np |
| 22:56.55 | mudge | Tramp: there is a /etc/anacrontab it has this line: 1 5 cron.daily nice run-parts --report /etc/cron.daily |
| 22:57.15 | mudge | anacrontab says: # These replace cron's entries |
| 22:57.16 | socialist | bipolar: you'll still get errors from udev about not being able to reach the ldap server, but you can ignore them and it will otherwise boot normally |
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| 22:58.04 | abrotman | mudge: can you paste the whole script somewhere? |
| 22:58.18 | mudge | !pase |
| 22:58.21 | mudge | !paste |
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| 23:00.06 | mavhc | that took 4 lines to say "don't paste more than 3 lines" |
| 23:00.22 | mudge | abrotman: i put the script here: http://paste.debian.net/43936 |
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| 23:00.48 | zicho | Is anyone familiar with Kenta Cho's games? |
| 23:00.55 | abrotman | mudge: do all local users have access to mysql ? |
| 23:01.06 | abrotman | zicho: someone is packaging themfor debian IIRC |
| 23:01.25 | abrotman | mudge: does it touch the file ? |
| 23:01.29 | mudge | abrotman: i don't know |
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| 23:01.38 | mudge | does what touch what file? |
| 23:01.38 | roldyx | hello, I cant listen the sound when I play a video (3gp) |
| 23:01.38 | abrotman | you don't know about the file? |
| 23:01.43 | abrotman | line 5 ? |
| 23:02.04 | mudge | abrotman, oh yea, you mean if i run the script manually? |
| 23:02.12 | mudge | if I run the script manually, the script works |
| 23:02.13 | abrotman | no .. i mean if cron runs it |
| 23:02.14 | zicho | abrotman: Most of them are already packed |
| 23:02.27 | roldyx | the error is (audio unavaibable samr) |
| 23:02.35 | mudge | i don't know because cron hasn't run the script yet |
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| 23:02.41 | mudge | i just put the touch command in there |
| 23:03.11 | roldyx | *unavailable |
| 23:03.36 | mudge | is there a way to manually run cron so it runs my cron job? |
| 23:04.15 | roldyx | 3gp is the format of video of mobile phone.. |
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| 23:05.38 | eth01 | sysctl.conf, Uncomment the next line to enable Spoof protection (reverse-path filter) ... i'm hoping this will be useful? |
| 23:05.40 | Tramp | mudge: what gives "cat /var/spool/anacron/cron.daily"? |
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| 23:06.19 | mudge | Tramp: nothing |
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| 23:06.44 | Tramp | mudge: hmm. Are there any files in /var/spool/anacron? |
| 23:06.46 | heatman | Hello. does anyone know what would be a good tool/app. to convert mp3 into ogg files? |
| 23:07.16 | abrotman | heatman: probably anything that can encode to ogg |
| 23:07.16 | mudge | Tramp: yes, cron.daily, cron.monthly, cron.weekly |
| 23:07.19 | mudge | all 0 byes |
| 23:07.21 | mudge | bytes |
| 23:07.31 | Tramp | mudge: is anacron running? |
| 23:07.51 | mudge | Tramp: how do i check that? |
| 23:08.14 | Tramp | mudge: ps -ef | grep anacron |
| 23:10.28 | mudge | Tramp: it doesn't look like anacron is running |
| 23:10.44 | Tramp | mudge: what gives "ls -l /usr/sbin/anacron" |
| 23:10.46 | mudge | i ran that command and got this: root 3605 19488 0 15:10 pts/0 00:00:00 grep anacron |
| 23:10.55 | Tramp | mudge: yeah, it's not running. |
| 23:11.06 | abrotman | do other daily cron jobs happen? |
| 23:11.22 | mudge | Tramp: -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 23324 2006-10-14 06:39 /usr/sbin/anacron |
| 23:11.25 | mudge | abrotman: yes |
| 23:11.27 | Tramp | mudge: So either remove anacron altogether or make sure it runs |
| 23:11.34 | Tramp | mudge: I don't believe that. |
| 23:11.49 | mudge | well there are other daily cron jobs, but I don't know if they run |
| 23:11.56 | Tramp | mudge: They dont. |
| 23:12.11 | mudge | Tramp: so you think that daily cron jobs aren't running at all? |
| 23:12.25 | Tramp | mudge: yes. That's what I think. |
| 23:13.07 | Tramp | mudge: Is this system usually up? |
| 23:13.22 | mudge | yes |
| 23:13.34 | mudge | it is a virtual private server |
| 23:13.36 | Tramp | mudge: Then it would be best to remove anacron completely. |
| 23:13.39 | mudge | from a hosting company |
| 23:14.03 | mudge | Tramp: cron is running |
| 23:14.31 | Tramp | mudge: Yes, but as you see from the crontab, it delegates daily/monthly tasks to anacron, which is not running. |
| 23:15.07 | Tramp | uh. anacron has rdepends to cron - does this mean it cannot be removed? |
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| 23:17.09 | mudge | Tramp: oh, i see what you mean about the cron job being delegated to anacron |
| 23:17.42 | mudge | Tramp: maybe i can change this line: 45 3 * * * root test -x /usr/sbin/anacron || ( cd / && run-parts --report /etc/cron.daily ) |
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| 23:17.58 | mudge | and take out "45 3 * * * root test -x /usr/sbin/anacron || ( cd / && run-parts --report /etc/cron.daily )" |
| 23:18.19 | mudge | i mean take out test -x /usr/sbin/anacron || ( cd / && run-parts --report /etc/cron.daily ) |
| 23:18.22 | Tramp | mudge: well, just the "test -x" part and the () |
| 23:18.36 | mudge | i mean take out test -x /usr/sbin/anacron |
| 23:18.38 | mudge | :) |
| 23:18.40 | bipolar | socialist: I'm suposed to put that in /etc/ldap/ldap.conf, right? |
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| 23:19.19 | Tramp | mudge: you want "45 3 * * * root cd / ... cron.daily" |
| 23:19.24 | bipolar | socialist: I waited for more then 5min for it to boot before I had to kill it :( |
| 23:19.36 | mudge | Tramp: right, thanks |
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| 23:20.50 | Tramp | mudge: hmm. Wait a second |
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| 23:20.57 | mudge | Tramp: what? |
| 23:21.34 | Tramp | mudge: I just realize, that anacron is not a daemon but started from /etc/cron.d/anacron |
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| 23:23.07 | mudge | Tramp: Interesting: /etc/cron.d/anacron doesn't exist on my server |
| 23:23.26 | Tramp | This is all so wrong .... I hibernate my laptop regularly. Thus anacron for me is never started (it sleeps at 7:30 and I don't reboot) |
| 23:23.38 | bucky | apt-cache search anacron |
| 23:23.49 | Tramp | mudge: Well, this is your problem then. I have one, but it is not executed 8/ |
| 23:24.13 | mudge | very interesting |
| 23:24.16 | xand | !nspluginwrapper |
| 23:24.16 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, nspluginwrapper is a wrapper allowing you to use 32-bit browser plugins in a native x86_64 browser. It is known to work with Flash and a few others. It is in <contrib> on testing/unstable, while unofficial *stable/Etch* packages are available at http://www.dipconsultants.com/debian/ |
| 23:24.37 | Tramp | I consider this cron/anacron interaction fundamentally broken. |
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| 23:24.49 | mudge | Tramp: yea, seems pretty messed up |
| 23:24.53 | bucky | apt-cache show anacron |
| 23:25.29 | bucky | anacron is for machines that don't run all the time |
| 23:25.37 | bucky | how about cron? |
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| 23:27.04 | Tramp | bucky: my Laptop doesn't run all the time. But anacron is not a daemon. It is started (a) at boot or (b) from /etc/cron.d/anacron at 7:30 (am). My machine rarely boots and sleeps at 7:30 - thus anacron is never run for me |
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| 23:29.31 | bucky | ic |
| 23:29.38 | Tramp | Well, just have to change the time in the cron.d/anacron to something else - just hope it is a configuration-file. |
| 23:29.46 | pumpkin0 | i need help with debian. After repartitioning the system fails to boot with a kernel-ops. It tries to read beyond the end of the device. (copied to a new, larger HD using dd, then removed a partition and added a new, larger one). A Knoppix-CD boots and can access the newly created parition. What can i try? |
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| 23:30.53 | Tramp | pumpkin0: maybe reinstall grub? This was your boot-partition, I presume. |
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| 23:31.25 | uzbek | hi all! |
| 23:31.38 | mudge | Tramp: thanks for all your help |
| 23:31.43 | pumpkin0 | Tramp: nope, grub works fine and it was not the boot-partition. It was a scratch-space. It's not even in fstab... |
| 23:31.56 | valdyn | pumpkin0: so your fs assumes a larger partition that it really is |
| 23:32.03 | Tramp | mudge: np. So I found out, why my locatedb was never updated 8) |
| 23:32.08 | valdyn | pumpkin0: and/or the partition a larger disk than it is.. |
| 23:32.21 | uzbek | can i merge two partitions together without loosing data on both of them? |
| 23:32.24 | pumpkin0 | valdyn: since i dd'ed from a smaller disk ... |
| 23:33.10 | alaya | should have used a higher-level copy function |
| 23:33.15 | Tramp | pumpkin0: oh - right, you said your kernel oops, so grub is indeed fine. My bad. |
| 23:33.18 | valdyn | pumpkin0: doesnt matter, you need to fix those sizes |
| 23:33.24 | pumpkin0 | valdyn: i only have a live-knoppix-cd here. sfdisk, cfdisk and the rest... how ? |
| 23:33.30 | valdyn | pumpkin0: one container is smaller than what it contains, period |
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| 23:33.50 | valdyn | pumpkin0: that cd is fine |
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| 23:34.29 | valdyn | pumpkin0: maybe you want to use dd to figure out which container is to big.. |
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| 23:34.36 | pumpkin0 | sfdisk alrady complains about the table ... |
| 23:35.37 | pumpkin0 | valdyn: the disk got bigger so the last partition (hda5) is bigger then the old disk. Removing it should fix it ? But the opps complains about hda4 (which i deleted). |
| 23:35.57 | Tramp | uzbek: without losing data on both of them or on any of them? |
| 23:36.03 | valdyn | pumpkin0: or which you think you deleted? |
| 23:36.22 | valdyn | pumpkin0: if sfdisk already complains about the partition table then something obviously went wrong around there |
| 23:36.42 | uzbek | Tramp: both of them. if not possible i could copy the data to another and merge |
| 23:36.44 | valdyn | pumpkin0: what's looking up hda4? |
| 23:37.12 | pumpkin0 | valdyn: i had hda1-4, all prim. hda4 got removed and a new logical got added (hda5). It complains about hda4 (which should be a peseudo-container about hda5, right ?) |
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| 23:37.42 | Tramp | uzbek: So if the partitions are adjacent you can probably use (g)parted to extend the first partition into the second, then enlarge the filesystem (if it supports it) |
| 23:37.46 | pumpkin0 | valdyn: usually nothing should mount hda4 or hda5. |
| 23:38.04 | pumpkin0 | Tramp: i still want 4 partitions, not 3. |
| 23:38.06 | valdyn | pumpkin0: which primary partition contains hda5? |
| 23:38.24 | hon | is it rude to ask how one can package emacs-23.0.50 (cvs)? |
| 23:38.27 | pumpkin0 | valdyn: sfdisk lists hda4. |
| 23:38.37 | Tramp | pumpkin0: ? |
| 23:38.46 | uzbek | Tramp: i have 3 partitions for debian: hda1, hda2, hda3. i want to join hda1 and hda3 |
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| 23:38.55 | valdyn | pumpkin0: so hda4 would be a primary partition containing hda5? |
| 23:39.02 | valdyn | pumpkin0: or is it an extended partition? |
| 23:39.03 | pumpkin0 | valdyn: yes. |
| 23:39.22 | pumpkin0 | valdyn: hda4 is prim, hda5 is logical and inside hda4 |
| 23:39.24 | valdyn | pumpkin0: i can only guess that hda4 is to small to contain hda5 |
| 23:39.57 | pumpkin0 | valdyn: my bet is on hda4. It is located beyond the end of the old disk. |
| 23:40.27 | Tramp | uzbek: well, hda1/hda3 are probably not adjecent, so this will not work. You can check with fdisk -l and look at the start/end values |
| 23:40.28 | pumpkin0 | valdyn: can i tell sfdisk to rewrite the table with the new total disk size ? |
| 23:40.42 | valdyn | pumpkin0: you can do anything there |
| 23:41.11 | pumpkin0 | valdyn: don't scare me, i need this data. The backup is unavailable till monday. |
| 23:41.13 | valdyn | pumpkin0: just keep in mind that the actual filesystems need to match and can only be smaller or you will loose data |
| 23:41.38 | pumpkin0 | valdyn: the old hda4 is gone anyway (and was empty) |
| 23:41.40 | Tramp | uzbek: Maybe you can delete hda3, "Shift" hda2 into the space and then merge hda1 with the free space - but I'm not familiar with (g)parted. |
| 23:42.24 | valdyn | pumpkin0: partitioning wrongly wont kill your data |
| 23:42.40 | uzbek | Tramp: ok, i'll read about gparted, thank u very much :) |
| 23:43.04 | Tramp | uzbek: hth. And always keep your backups near by .... 8) |
| 23:43.10 | pumpkin0 | valdyn: the "rm -r /mnt/hda4" should have cleaned it before partitioning... |
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| 23:43.28 | valdyn | pumpkin0: that has nothing to do with anything |
| 23:43.32 | uzbek | Tramp: you're right :D |
| 23:45.01 | pumpkin0 | valdyn: hda4 is the problem. sfdisk -V /dev/hda complains about hda4 too (extends past end of disk). So the total size in table is wrong. |
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| 23:45.18 | valdyn | pumpkin0: i really dont have much info about the actual state, but make hda4 span from its start over the whole rest of the disk. |
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| 23:45.35 | valdyn | pumpkin0: so its just to big |
| 23:45.56 | revived | anyone know why "Shared Folders" in the Administration tab would freeze on loading? |
| 23:45.59 | valdyn | pumpkin0: hda5 might be to big too then |
| 23:46.16 | valdyn | pumpkin0: and the filesystem on hda5 might be aswell - that's a real problem |
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| 23:47.08 | pumpkin0 | valdyn: there is no fs on hda5. I repartitioned in cfdisk and rebooted befroe trying to format it. hda5 is as clean as it gets. |
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| 23:47.25 | valdyn | pumpkin0: oh, so hda4 and hda5 have nothing you need? |
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| 23:47.38 | pumpkin0 | valdyn: nothing at all. |
| 23:47.40 | valdyn | pumpkin0: just delete those partitions. |
| 23:47.44 | _mre|666 | synaptic package manager screwed up? |
| 23:47.47 | valdyn | pumpkin0: in sfdisk |
| 23:47.55 | _mre|666 | need feedback |
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| 23:47.56 | _mre|666 | heh |
| 23:48.04 | ben_goodger | hello again |
| 23:48.25 | pumpkin0 | valdyn: yes, that's the quick fix. Now how do i rewrite the p-table to get access to the new space ? |
| 23:48.50 | valdyn | pumpkin0: recreate those partitions.. |
| 23:48.54 | ccfreak2k|laptop | If I decide to use a 64-bit version of Debian, what problems might I encounter? |
| 23:49.05 | valdyn | ccfreak2k|laptop: how would we know? |
| 23:49.08 | Gnurdux | same ones as with 64-bit anything else |
| 23:49.14 | valdyn | ccfreak2k|laptop: if you dont tell us what you want to do with it |
| 23:49.15 | Gnurdux | no flash, no java, etc |
| 23:49.19 | Aleera | can someone tell me how might I get cdrdao? |
| 23:49.26 | valdyn | "no java" is bullshite |
| 23:49.37 | Aleera | since k3b is telling me to get it as a package. |
| 23:49.41 | pumpkin0 | valdyn: does that change anything for the total size marked in the p-table ? |
| 23:49.42 | valdyn | its "no sun java plugin" |
| 23:49.48 | valdyn | java works fine |
| 23:49.56 | valdyn | sun java too |
| 23:49.56 | Gnurdux | yes |
| 23:50.05 | Gnurdux | i dunno why the plugin is an issue |
| 23:50.15 | Gnurdux | it presumably uses the same VM... |
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| 23:50.29 | valdyn | pumpkin0: i dont know what you mean |
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| 23:50.35 | mcgreg | hi |
| 23:50.38 | Gnurdux | so JIT shouldnt be a particular issue |
| 23:50.47 | mcgreg | I just installed wormus from debian repo and it segfaults .. any idea? |
| 23:50.48 | Aleera | is cdrdao downloadable? |
| 23:50.54 | Gnurdux | but remember, sun is like the only implementation that can actually run stuff |
| 23:50.55 | mcgreg | wormux |
| 23:50.59 | valdyn | Aleera: its in debian |
| 23:51.04 | Gryfelhase | Hi. I'm using debian etch, with kernel 2.6.18-5 with udev. Does it matter, in what firmware-directory I store them? |
| 23:51.25 | Gryfelhase | the firmwarefile for my tvcard |
| 23:51.35 | _mre|666 | so any of you know why "Shared Folders" in Administration would freeze? |
| 23:51.51 | pumpkin0 | valdyn: the ops is caused by hda4 and because hda4 is beyond the disk (for the p-table). If i remove and recreate hda4 it is still beyond the end (if nothing rewrites the total disc size marked in the p-table). |
| 23:52.10 | _mre|666 | stays greyed out |
| 23:52.29 | Internat | any recommendations for a good xserver type thing for windows.. so i can forward x sessions from my linox box to my desktop |
| 23:52.33 | Aleera | valdyn: If it is, k3b is having trouble finding it.. everytime I try and start it up it tells me "Unable to find cdrdao executable" |
| 23:52.44 | valdyn | !installit |
| 23:52.44 | dpkg | *** NEWS FLASH! *** Your box does not come with every app, tool and utility known to debiankind installed already. If you find that the program you've been told to use isn't there, install it. Also ask me about <search>. if someone suggests an application to you, it's highly likely that it's available via apt-get, or aptitude |
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| 23:53.29 | Aleera | !search cdrdao |
| 23:53.35 | h3sp4wn | Internat: There is a free one (I forget its name) - or Exceed |
| 23:53.42 | valdyn | pumpkin0: i didnt know that the total size is in the partition table at all - no idea |
| 23:53.51 | Aleera | !help |
| 23:53.55 | h3sp4wn | Internat: Xming |
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| 23:54.10 | abrotman | !find bin/cdrdao |
| 23:54.18 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'bin/cdrdao' (1): (/usr/bin/cdrdao) in otherosfs/cdrdao. |
| 23:54.19 | Aleera | !find cdrdao |
| 23:54.21 | dpkg | cdrdao: (records CDs in Disk-At-Once (DAO) mode), section otherosfs, is optional. Version: 1:1.2.2-8 (sid), Packaged size: 418 kB, Installed size: 1124 kB |
| 23:54.36 | Aleera | hrmm what would the package be named? |
| 23:54.57 | pumpkin0 | valdyn: i will make sfdisk -O ... sfdisk -I and try to boot. In the worst case i have a unbootable PC for 2 days. Thanks for your help. |
| 23:55.06 | valdyn | Aleera: we're not trying to make this hard, dpkg lists "cdrdao:...", thats a package name |
| 23:55.07 | _mre|666 | hello |
| 23:55.11 | _mre|666 | anybody here see me? |
| 23:55.16 | _mre|666 | or am i talking to myself? |
| 23:55.23 | valdyn | !tell _mre|666 -about ask |
| 23:55.48 | valdyn | pumpkin0: welcome |
| 23:56.29 | _mre|666 | dpkg> valdyn wants you to know: If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org |
| 23:56.40 | _mre|666 | does this really make it easier? |
| 23:56.50 | _mre|666 | i mean. does my question have to be that long winded |
| 23:56.51 | _mre|666 | ? |
| 23:57.12 | valdyn | _mre|666: we're hard pressed finding mind readers around here ;) |
| 23:57.17 | _mre|666 | anyways... that msg makes no sense |
| 23:57.25 | _mre|666 | i'm not asking for a mind reader |
| 23:57.25 | abrotman | _mre|666: your question doesn't make sense either |
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| 23:57.30 | _mre|666 | i'm asking a basic quesiton |
| 23:57.37 | valdyn | _mre|666: it does not have to be nortmally, but most commonly the people asking are clueless enough to select the important parts to tell us by themselves |
| 23:57.40 | abrotman | what is "Administration" |
| 23:57.52 | Gryfelhase | does it matter in what of this firmware -directorys I store my firmware-files ? |
| 23:57.53 | _mre|666 | why would Debian etch grey out and freeze in Administration > Shared Folders? |
| 23:58.00 | _mre|666 | abrotman: guess you don't use gnome |
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| 23:58.09 | abrotman | sure i do .. that doesn't mean YOU do |
| 23:58.20 | valdyn | my debian has never "greyed out" |
| 23:58.43 | abrotman | perhaps you don't have samba or an nfs client available ? |
| 23:58.47 | _mre|666 | is there a conf that manages shares? |
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| 23:58.54 | _mre|666 | that's my thought |
| 23:58.58 | _mre|666 | but i'm pretty sure i do |
| 23:59.00 | valdyn | i think his gksudo or gksu is doing weird things |
| 23:59.16 | _mre|666 | or a problem with synaptic |
| 23:59.29 | valdyn | _mre|666: what the hell does that have to do with synaptic? |
| 23:59.31 | _mre|666 | hmm... didn't think of that |
| 23:59.45 | _mre|666 | if a package isn't installed right |
| 23:59.48 | _mre|666 | like... a NFS update |
| 23:59.51 | valdyn | _mre|666: do you have sudo installed and working? |
| 23:59.56 | _mre|666 | it just finished installing updates |
