| 00:00.08 | dondelelcaro | sdubois92-laptop: since /dev/input/mice would only have the synaptics stuff if it was the only mice pluged in. |
| 00:00.17 | dondelelcaro | Enverex: depends on what the kernel team decides. |
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| 00:00.40 | dondelelcaro | Enverex: if you want it to make it in, join in and help the kernel team triage bugs and test |
| 00:00.50 | sdubois92-laptop | dondelelcaro: should i restart X with the mouse unplugged? |
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| 00:00.58 | dondelelcaro | sdubois92-laptop: you can try that |
| 00:01.05 | sdubois92-laptop | dondelelcaro: any other ideas? |
| 00:01.21 | eth01 | once i've modfied resolv.conf will the changes take place automatically? |
| 00:01.34 | Enverex | dondelelcaro, Kernel bugs are always hard to track down (well, normally anyway unless it's really obvious boot/RIP issues) |
| 00:01.56 | dondelelcaro | sdubois92-laptop: that's what I'd suggest first; your other alternative is to specify a specific input device instead of the combined mice |
| 00:02.17 | dondelelcaro | Enverex: that's why they need help |
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| 00:02.27 | dondelelcaro | eth01: changes to what? your dns servers? |
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| 00:02.43 | eth01 | dondelelcaro, such a long nick :P... yes. |
| 00:03.02 | dondelelcaro | eth01: yes, they'll happen automatically. |
| 00:03.10 | Enverex | dondelelcaro, I used to run RC kernels all the time and only once did I ever find a bug... |
| 00:03.12 | eth01 | so i won't need to restart networking? |
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| 00:03.25 | sdubois92-laptop | that didnt work |
| 00:03.37 | sdubois92-laptop | what was your other suggestion? |
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| 00:03.41 | themill | !tell eth01 about meaning of dondelelcaro |
| 00:04.06 | dondelelcaro | sdubois92-laptop: what does ls -l /dev/input/by-id; output? |
| 00:04.13 | eth01 | themill, no need, but thanks anyway. |
| 00:04.14 | dondelelcaro | eth01: no |
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| 00:04.29 | eth01 | dondelelcaro, kthx |
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| 00:04.58 | TrueDD | Good night all |
| 00:05.57 | RockerMONO | how do i tell what version of debian i'm on? i think it's Etch but i'm not sure [old install CD >.>] |
| 00:06.01 | sdubois92-laptop | dondelelcaro: http://pastebin.com/m3e228537 |
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| 00:06.14 | CaT[tm] | rocker: /etc/debian_version |
| 00:06.31 | RockerMONO | permission denied? O.o |
| 00:06.40 | sdubois92-laptop | RockerMONO: you have to be root |
| 00:06.42 | CaT[tm] | rocker: I never said you should execute it :) |
| 00:06.45 | RockerMONO | sdubois92-laptop: i AM root |
| 00:07.01 | RockerMONO | CaT[tm]: >.> |
| 00:07.11 | RockerMONO | 4.0, is that etch or what? -.- |
| 00:07.19 | themill | RockerMONO: yes. |
| 00:07.23 | CaT[tm] | rocker: www.debian.org reveales all :) |
| 00:07.23 | RockerMONO | k |
| 00:07.30 | RockerMONO | >.> |
| 00:08.55 | Taa5i | abrotman: Using the installer iso from kmut and it can even detect my wireless adapter.. I've never had an installer ISO detect any of those properly before. |
| 00:09.59 | whadar | I've written a tool called rootz that runs applications without installing them... I need some help testing it and improving it. It should run well from debian, and fast Internet connection is needed... anyone here is intrested? http://vamosproject.org/rootz |
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| 00:10.30 | Taa5i | Wow.. that doesn't sound like a trap at all :p |
| 00:10.43 | abrotman | Taa5i: this is bad? |
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| 00:11.06 | Taa5i | abrotman: No, this is good. Means I can actually get an internet connection and install it finally. ^_^ |
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| 00:11.31 | dondelelcaro | sdubois92-laptop: something like Device "/dev/usb/by-id/usb-Apple_Computer_Apple_Internal_Keyboard_._Trackpad-event-mouse" in the xorg.conf may work then. |
| 00:12.13 | sdubois92-laptop | just that line? |
| 00:12.18 | sdubois92-laptop | before or after synaptics? |
| 00:12.37 | dondelelcaro | sdubois92-laptop: replace the Device "/dev/input/mice" with "/dev/input/by-id/...." |
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| 00:13.52 | mnk3ym4n | valdyn: thanks, that was a very useful bit of advice. |
| 00:13.55 | sdubois92-laptop | dondelelcaro: then restart x? |
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| 00:16.00 | diafic_ | time for bed. snore! |
| 00:16.37 | Taa5i | Working on partitioning now. Should I use News instead of Normal for Typical Useage for Var and Tmp? Also any need to change Mount Options from Defaults for any partitions please? |
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| 00:22.07 | sdubois92-laptop | dondelelcaro: that didnt work |
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| 00:30.51 | dondelelcaro | sdubois92-laptop: well, I don't know what else to recommend, unfortunatly. You could try asking on debian-user@lists.debian.org; someone there may know. [You'll want to include all of the information that we went through as well. |
| 00:31.35 | sdubois92-laptop | dondelelcaro: do you think reinstalling Etch would be a good sollution? |
| 00:31.41 | sdubois92-laptop | and not using a USB mouse |
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| 00:32.03 | dondelelcaro | sdubois92-laptop: no, reinstalling shouldn't be needed. |
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| 00:33.59 | sdubois92-laptop | dondelelcaro: do i just send an email to that address? |
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| 00:34.07 | dondelelcaro | sdubois92-laptop: yes; it's a mailing list |
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| 00:43.28 | RockerMONO | how can i get ntfs-3g for Etch, i only see it for sid? =\ |
| 00:43.38 | dkdexter | hi, when i do a 'startx' i get this error: could not open default font 'fixed' |
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| 00:43.48 | dkdexter | can somone help with this? |
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| 00:45.53 | abrotman | dkdexter: aptitude install xorg |
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| 00:46.04 | somekool | hi there |
| 00:46.45 | dkdexter | tjnx |
| 00:46.48 | dkdexter | thnx |
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| 00:47.05 | somekool | I am currently building my first .deb file and I am having little troubles. well, actually, I've went through all the necessary steps as far as the howto I followed is concerned. but my project does not compile while builing the .deb. but it compiles with a regular ./configure;make |
| 00:47.08 | somekool | any idea ? |
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| 00:48.06 | h3xis | dkdexter, if that doesnt work or if this is part of the xorg package, give apt-get install xfs a try |
| 00:48.39 | abrotman | xfs is dead ? |
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| 00:48.49 | dondelelcaro | somekool: your debian/rules is incorrect, and doesn't actually call ./configure and make in its build target. |
| 00:50.23 | somekool | dondelelcaro: the howto says I dont have to modify it for a regular compile... I am getting linking errors |
| 00:51.56 | RockerMONO | how do i symlink ~/Desktop/MyDocs to /mnt/hda1/Documents and Settings/Nick/My Documents? =\ |
| 00:52.10 | Tramp | abrotman: ?? |
| 00:52.22 | abrotman | hi |
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| 00:52.41 | Tramp | abrotman: I meant your comment about xfs - did I miss something? |
| 00:52.51 | abrotman | what about it? |
| 00:53.21 | Tramp | [01:48:46] <abrotman> xfs is dead ? - I wasn't invited to the funeral 8( |
| 00:53.27 | somekool | is there -l flags to add somewhere? why I am getting linking errors like that? I've put all the necessary dependencies in control |
| 00:53.36 | abrotman | Tramp: are you talking about the filesystem or the daemon? |
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| 00:54.07 | Tramp | abrotman: ahrg. (hit by a blinding flash of the obvious) |
| 00:54.17 | abrotman | okay then |
| 00:54.47 | dkdexter | abrotman>> i can do a startx without errors. The last line: xkb_geometry { include "pc(pc104)" }; |
| 00:55.00 | abrotman | huh ? |
| 00:55.05 | dkdexter | i cannot use a command after startx |
| 00:55.50 | abrotman | dkdexter: if you run "startx" .. what happens? |
| 00:56.28 | somekool | dondelelcaro: ? |
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| 00:56.52 | dkdexter | i get a lot of line that start with xkb_ |
| 00:57.08 | utopia_ | dkdexter, use a different terminal |
| 00:57.15 | utopia_ | startx, switch term's |
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| 00:57.57 | dkdexter | i can log on via ssh, no other way. Looking for enabling vncserver |
| 00:58.27 | dkdexter | vncserver, xfs and gdm |
| 00:58.32 | dkdexter | is install |
| 00:59.20 | somekool | anyone could give me a hand making my first .deb package? |
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| 01:05.08 | Taa5i | During install I receive a message asking: "Continue installing libc-client without Maildir support", will this make it harder to set up mail handling later? |
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| 01:05.34 | pipegeek | anyone here know mrtg? |
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| 01:06.38 | somekool | I am currently building my first .deb file and I am having little troubles. well, actually, I've went through all the necessary steps as far as the howto I followed is concerned. but the process gets interrupted because of linking errors ??? but it compiles with a regular ./configure;make .... is there -l flags to add somewhere? why I am getting linking errors like that? I've put all the necessary dependencies in control |
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| 01:08.25 | abrotman | !mentors |
| 01:08.26 | dpkg | hmm... mentors is Please /msg dpkg mg and/or try http://lists.debian.org/debian-mentors/ and/or try #debian-mentors on irc.debian.org, or http://mentors.debian.net/ |
| 01:09.06 | TheFearow | dpkg is a useful bot. |
| 01:09.07 | pipegeek | nobody? |
| 01:09.23 | TheFearow | pipegeek: You sometimes have to wait a while for a response |
| 01:09.36 | pipegeek | thanks, sorry |
| 01:09.57 | Cashel | wine and iceweasel... wine says it can't find a mozilla for HTML Rendering... anyone know what's up with that (error is from winecfg) |
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| 01:15.31 | stopher | Evening.. I have ssh into my debian box (i'm currently on the other side of town), I have proftpd installed, but having issues connecting, I believe it is because of the firewall. Would it be possible to allow ftp through the firewall using ssh? |
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| 01:16.17 | petemc | stopher: it would be much easier just to use sftp |
| 01:16.51 | stopher | petemc: my other server is using proftpd, and it hasn't given me any issues as of yet (four months), but we are putting up three servers total, all of which need to be uniformed |
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| 01:17.42 | petemc | stopher: sounds good, how does that relate to your question? |
| 01:18.19 | stopher | Well, my question wasn't about the proftpd software itself, it was more to see if I could open the firewall to allow ftp using ssh. |
| 01:18.32 | petemc | using ssh how? |
| 01:18.45 | petemc | ssh can do port forwarding stuff, yes |
| 01:18.57 | stopher | I am logged into ssh. Can I send a command to open the port? |
| 01:19.35 | petemc | send a command to what, the firewall? |
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| 01:19.56 | stopher | to Debian, ...to open the port on the debian linux firewall (software). |
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| 01:20.06 | petemc | its iptables? |
| 01:20.13 | stopher | ... |
| 01:20.35 | stopher | to allow ftp through the linux firewall |
| 01:20.52 | abrotman | stopher: which firewall are you using? |
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| 01:21.04 | abrotman | and have oyu tried pasv mode? |
| 01:21.06 | stopher | the one that was installed with debian |
| 01:21.12 | stopher | pasv=no |
| 01:21.34 | abrotman | stopher: there is no firewall setup by default with debian ... you would have to set it up |
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| 01:23.14 | petemc | abrotman: how many cheesesteaks have you eaten today? |
| 01:23.30 | abrotman | none! |
| 01:23.35 | petemc | day off? |
| 01:23.40 | abrotman | but the eagles lost! .. woohoo |
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| 01:23.46 | petemc | :( |
| 01:23.53 | petemc | did you sit on any pies? |
| 01:23.54 | abrotman | no .. this is a good thing! |
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| 01:24.18 | abrotman | it means i get to spend half my workday tomorrow listening to co-workers whine about various football things :) |
| 01:24.19 | stopher | why would the connection not be accepted by the server? that's what i was trying to get at. I installed proftpd, restarted the server, have the users set up, (running on port 2901 ftp), but the connection is refused. |
| 01:24.21 | pipegeek | Anyone using mrtg? I have a rather frustrating problem. |
| 01:24.48 | abrotman | stopher: your ISP blocks it? |
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| 01:24.52 | petemc | stopher: ftp uses port 21 to initiate the connection |
| 01:25.16 | kgoetz | i thought 21 was data |
| 01:25.17 | stopher | i already have a server running on 21, i changed proftpd.conf to port 2901 |
| 01:25.21 | kgoetz | :\ |
| 01:25.21 | petemc | 20 is data |
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| 01:25.44 | stopher | two servers, one IP...until we move teh other server to the other office |
| 01:25.57 | kgoetz | so it is :( |
| 01:26.32 | stopher | hmm the server on port 21 isn't working either. |
| 01:26.38 | stopher | no, ISP doesn't block. |
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| 01:27.27 | abrotman | so neither server is answering ... |
| 01:27.29 | petemc | stopher: you might want to restate your question |
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| 01:28.17 | stopher | abrotman: that would be correct... :( which is very fishy as I've never had a problem with the older server (one) and i haven't gotten the new server (two) ftp'd correctly yet |
| 01:28.29 | abrotman | sounds like you broked it |
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| 01:28.52 | stopher | i haven't touched anything on the old server- it's running the same as it was months ago...the new server on the other hand, was just installed. |
| 01:29.33 | kgoetz | so you have two systems on one IP and woner why your having issues? |
| 01:29.58 | abrotman | kgoetz: port forwarding ? |
| 01:30.29 | stopher | cough. only one is directed to outside world. the other is in maintenance mode so we can get things going. |
| 01:30.29 | stopher | the only ports open from internet to the new server is 22 (ssh) and 2901 (wanted ftp port) |
| 01:30.40 | petemc | and yet you're confused why ftp doesnt work? |
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| 01:31.13 | abrotman | !cheesesteak petemc |
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| 01:31.44 | petemc | that factoid portrays cheesesteaks in a bad light |
| 01:31.51 | abrotman | however correct it may be :) |
| 01:32.08 | petemc | :) |
| 01:32.18 | kenboo | how can i resize a LVM partition? I did it and the filesystem on it corrupt ;-) |
| 01:32.31 | abrotman | actually .. i don't think i've had a cheesesteak (beef or chicken) in a few weeks |
| 01:32.45 | petemc | kenboo: you need to resize the fs too |
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| 01:33.43 | alexluna | q |
| 01:34.02 | kenboo | petemc, ok. so..if a specific fs doesn't offer resize utility i can't do it. correct? |
| 01:34.42 | petemc | yeah |
| 01:35.02 | kenboo | and i guess, even for ext3, i can't resize while it's mounted. |
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| 01:35.34 | petemc | i never havee |
| 01:35.53 | Tramp | stopher: if the new server can connect outwards (with a source-port of 20 to any high port) you may be able to tunnel the control-connection (i.e. the one to 2901) to ssh. |
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| 01:36.16 | kenboo | petemc, thanks. |
| 01:36.25 | petemc | np |
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| 01:36.54 | Tramp | stopher: although the fact that you cannot contact the server in the first place may hint to some other problem |
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| 01:39.55 | Tramp | stopher: you may even be able to tunnel data connections back, although this would be tedious and involving issueing raw ftp-commands to force ports. |
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| 01:48.11 | Taa5i | When initially isntalling, I answered that my hwclock was set to UTC when actually it was set to Local. Now my local time settings are far off what time it really is. I've tried running tzselect to fix it but it doesn't help. How should I fix this please? |
| 01:49.49 | abrotman | Taa5i: change the UTC value in /etc/default/rcS |
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| 01:51.24 | Taa5i | Awesome, thanks! |
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| 02:02.04 | skyfalcon866 | does Debian provide any way to configure the apache2 web server? |
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| 02:03.08 | skyfalcon866 | #ubuntu |
| 02:03.47 | dondelelcaro | skyfalcon866: it's automatically configured in a reasonable way by default... but what configuration in particular were you wondering about? |
| 02:03.58 | skyfalcon866 | idk |
| 02:04.04 | skyfalcon866 | jus wondering |
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| 02:07.37 | icekold | skyfalcon866: vim |
| 02:07.41 | triplc | How to browse-and-mount cifs? Currently I am using /etc/fstab to mount cifs, but it's not convenient. I am trying to use linneighborhood and xsmbrowser, but it appeared to me that they use smb, not cifs... in fact, they does not work (cannot mount) |
| 02:07.46 | skyfalcon866 | vim? |
| 02:07.59 | icekold | yeah, edit your apache2 config files with vim |
| 02:08.24 | BlueToothz | vim he said "vim" with a question mark |
| 02:08.30 | BlueToothz | he doesnt know how to use or what vim is |
| 02:08.36 | BlueToothz | if he said* |
| 02:08.46 | skyfalcon866 | o vim |
| 02:08.50 | Taa5i | Has anyone here tried using a usb wireless adapter needing the rt73 drivers? I tried compiling the ones from serialmonkey and the compile fails. |
| 02:08.51 | icekold | also, a lot of packages, for example squirrelmail will provide a nice apache2 conf file for /etc/apache2/conf.d/ |
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| 02:11.06 | Claudio32m | today i did a net-install for debian and i noticed it didnt download/install the latest kernel version, it put .18 i think, kernel.org shows 20ish.. why is that? |
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| 02:12.14 | skyfalcon866 | whats it mean recovering jorunal |
| 02:13.41 | abrotman | Claudio32m: that's the version that comes with etch |
| 02:13.58 | Claudio32m | does aptitude have a kernel update feature? |
| 02:14.04 | Claudio32m | or do i have to download the sources and compile manually |
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| 02:14.30 | gravity | skyfalcon866: The file system is essentially fixing itself. Look up journaling file systems to learn more about how |
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| 02:15.23 | icekold | Claudio32m: no, aptitude should update the kernel when a newer one is available |
| 02:16.02 | dureyes | can someone send a link on how to install debian with the most minimal desktop....I find the default installation too bloated...thanks. |
| 02:16.07 | CalJohn | i'm using a vanilla kernel and virtualbox complains i don't have the kernel module installed. what kernel module do I need to install? |
| 02:16.09 | skyfalcon866 | what kernel does debuab yse |
| 02:16.16 | skyfalcon866 | debian |
| 02:16.29 | gravity | ... |
| 02:16.40 | dondelelcaro | dureyes: so don't select anything in tasksel and install precisely the packages that you want. |
| 02:17.10 | dondelelcaro | dureyes: there's no such thing as a "howto" on how to do that, because one person's bloat is another person's absolutely required tool. |
| 02:17.30 | dureyes | I never used taskel.....I don't recall seeing that during the install.. |
| 02:17.36 | CalJohn | dureyes: try again, with the netinst cd |
| 02:17.49 | skyfalcon866 | !kernel |
| 02:17.50 | dpkg | Linux kernel versions, stable: 2.6.23.9, prepatch: 2.6.24-rc3, snapshot: 2.6.24-rc3-git6, 2.4: 2.4.35.4, prepatch: 2.4.36-pre2, 2.2: 2.2.26, prepatch: 2.2.27-rc2, -mm patch: 2.6.24-rc3-mm2 |
| 02:17.51 | dondelelcaro | dureyes: that's what asked you whether you wanted to install a desktop, a server, a database server, etc. |
| 02:18.17 | somekool | !kde |
| 02:18.18 | dpkg | somebody said kde was a desktop environment based on the Qt toolkit. See http://www.kde.org for release news and other details, or not a window manager, or ask your questions about it in #debian-kde, or ask me about <kde_trouble>, or to get KDE, ask about <install kde> |
| 02:18.44 | somekool | !ruby |
| 02:18.44 | dpkg | methinks ruby is a pure object oriented script language with a simple and clean syntax. It's supposed to have the best characteristics of Perl and Smalltalk. Learn about it at http://www.ruby-lang.org . a language that seems like a messy (Perlish) Python, or at http://www.rubycentral.com, or http://www.poignantguide.net/ruby/, or #ruby-lang |
| 02:18.44 | abrotman | Claudio32m: if you want a newer kernel in etch .. you'll have to compile it yourself or get it from backports.org |
| 02:18.49 | abrotman | somekool: /msg dpkg foo |
| 02:18.52 | somekool | !qtruby |
| 02:18.53 | skyfalcon866 | !gnome |
| 02:18.53 | dpkg | hmm... gnome is a desktop environment - see http://www.gnome.org. a little dwarf, or a race in d&d, see #gnome-debian on irc.gnome.org, or - to get gnome, ask about <install gnome>, or the human G-nome |
| 02:19.01 | gravity | somekool skyfalcon866 Cut it out |
| 02:19.14 | gravity | somekool skyfalcon866 You can /msg dpkg if you want to ask it things |
| 02:19.17 | dureyes | all I did was select desktop and it installed all those extra programs...i |
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| 02:21.06 | dondelelcaro | dureyes: yes, becuase the desktop task sets up a fully functional desktop for people who don't know precisely what they want. |
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| 02:22.36 | skyfalcon866 | does debian have all the latest software |
| 02:22.41 | RockerMONO | can i install stuff to other hard drives via apt-get ? or will i need to build it from source? |
| 02:22.46 | dondelelcaro | skyfalcon866: in some cases, yes. |
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| 02:23.33 | mmlj4 | um, define "install stuff to other drives" |
| 02:23.53 | RockerMONO | mmlj4: install Apache to my 160GB NTFS hard drive and have it run? >.> |
| 02:24.04 | RockerMONO | mmlj4: i'm guessing right-off-the-bat a big ugly no? |
| 02:24.09 | mmlj4 | i'd think symlinks might be your friend |
| 02:24.18 | RockerMONO | mmlj4? |
| 02:24.23 | dondelelcaro | RockerMONO: why would you want to do that? |
| 02:24.41 | dondelelcaro | RockerMONO: apache itself is fairly small; you can serve anything you want off any drive once you do that. |
| 02:24.49 | RockerMONO | dondelelcaro: cuz this hd is only 3GB |
| 02:24.53 | skyfalcon866 | are all packages supported by debian or a select few like ubuntu |
| 02:24.57 | mmlj4 | but right... why install stuff there? you want your binary to be in the default place, I'd imagine |
| 02:25.04 | dondelelcaro | skyfalcon866: all of the packages we distribute are supported by us. |
| 02:25.20 | RockerMONO | mmlj4: i only have 3GB to work with for my whole debian system [my granddad paid for the comp. and said i had to keep windows... so i left the main hd alone] |
| 02:25.26 | dondelelcaro | we don't guarantee support (whatever that means) but in practice, we support it anyway. |
| 02:25.42 | skyfalcon866 | not like ubuntu though |
| 02:25.49 | dondelelcaro | RockerMONO: is this drive an internal drive? |
| 02:25.56 | RockerMONO | dondelelcaro: yea |
| 02:26.00 | RockerMONO | both are |
| 02:26.04 | mmlj4 | you can pick up a second hard drive cheap-to-free, i'd use that for my linux partitions |
| 02:26.30 | dondelelcaro | RockerMONO: so just partition it and mount it as /usr or /home or whatever else you want. |
| 02:26.40 | RockerMONO | dondelelcaro? |
| 02:26.48 | dondelelcaro | ? |
| 02:27.30 | RockerMONO | i dont want to touch the windows install because i dont want to pay for a new one to make my granddad stfu about it >.< |
| 02:27.43 | dondelelcaro | RockerMONO: you don't have to touch the windows install. |
| 02:28.05 | skyfalcon866 | is there a debian versionm on 1 dvd |
| 02:28.13 | dondelelcaro | skyfalcon866: there are live dvds, yes. |
| 02:28.23 | RockerMONO | dondelelcaro: are you telling me to partition a 3GB drive then? |
| 02:28.27 | RockerMONO | >.< |
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| 02:28.40 | dondelelcaro | RockerMONO: no, I'm telling you to partition this 160G internal drive. |
| 02:28.47 | RockerMONO | the 160GB drive is the windows one |
| 02:28.59 | dondelelcaro | so what drive did you want to install software on? |
| 02:29.17 | RockerMONO | i was wondering if their was a way to get it on that one without repartitioning it |
| 02:29.38 | RockerMONO | i'm guessing no? |
| 02:30.58 | dondelelcaro | RockerMONO: nope. Spend $40 and get a drive |
| 02:31.05 | skyfalcon866 | is it possbile to use resiser4 |
| 02:31.17 | RockerMONO | dondelelcaro: $40? i dont know where the heck you're at but i wish i was there! O.o |
| 02:31.41 | RockerMONO | oh wow, apache is alot smaller than it was last tiem i tried this [i must've done somethin wrong before], it only used like 6MB :) |
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| 02:32.58 | dondelelcaro | RockerMONO: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822140118 FE. |
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| 02:33.29 | RockerMONO | oh wow, around here if you buy them in a store the'yre nearly $100 [ripoff much?] |
| 02:35.04 | abrotman | aren't you in the states ? |
| 02:35.24 | RockerMONO | yea |
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| 02:39.34 | SDragon | hi |
| 02:39.44 | SDragon | erm, netstat -a gives me a lots of STREAM CONNECTED infos, how can I get the remote IP address from that? |
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| 02:40.44 | dondelelcaro | SDragon: uh... those are streams and sockets for the most part; there aren't any remote IPs involved. |
| 02:41.20 | dondelelcaro | SDragon: you probably want netstat -natu; or something similar |
| 02:41.36 | SDragon | yup, thx! |
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| 02:41.47 | piroko | Hello. I have inadvertently deleted the contents of /etc/acpi/*, and I have reinstalled acpid, acpi-support and acpi-support-base, and the files will not come back... What can I do to return them? |
| 02:41.54 | dondelelcaro | !confmiss |
| 02:41.54 | dpkg | the reason you have to use dpkg --force-confmiss is because whenever your config files (<conffiles>) are gone, dpkg assumes you deleted them on purpose, and that you want them to stay deleted. You can also reinstall them using the following apt-get line: apt-get -o DPkg::Options::="--force-confmiss" --reinstall install <packagename> |
| 02:42.01 | piroko | Oh thank god |
| 02:42.27 | abrotman | hey .. i never even thought to delete all of those damn things |
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| 02:44.09 | piroko | Yay! ACPI buttons have returned. Thank you so much. Now to debug these suspend lockups... Heh |
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| 02:44.24 | Kornholijo | hello, can i netboot thru wifi? |
| 02:44.40 | abrotman | does your wifi do pxe? |
| 02:44.53 | Kornholijo | i dunno |
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| 02:45.23 | Enverex | It's hard enough to get WiFi to work normally... |
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| 02:45.33 | Kornholijo | no? |
| 02:45.44 | Kornholijo | i got ipw2200 |
| 02:45.55 | abrotman | doubt it |
| 02:46.07 | Kornholijo | but why not ;/ |
| 02:46.08 | Kornholijo | ? |
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| 02:47.07 | dkdexter | hi, is it possible to install the full gui via ssh terminal? |
| 02:47.18 | Kornholijo | yeah, but not test it |
| 02:47.41 | dondelelcaro | it's even possible to test it |
| 02:47.53 | Kornholijo | not see the gui tought |
| 02:47.54 | dondelelcaro | well, for certain values of "test" anyway |
| 02:47.58 | Kornholijo | :P |
| 02:48.07 | dkdexter | understood |
| 02:48.08 | dondelelcaro | you can see the GUI |
| 02:48.18 | dkdexter | no |
| 02:48.21 | Kornholijo | not thru terminal |
| 02:48.27 | dondelelcaro | (but it'll be using your local X server, not the remote one, so it's not clear what that actually tests) |
| 02:48.39 | dkdexter | i have only ssh terminal |
| 02:49.01 | dkdexter | trying to get vncserver to work |
| 02:49.07 | Kornholijo | ah |
| 02:49.19 | dkdexter | i have installed gdm |
| 02:49.47 | dkdexter | but the VNC need a font path, but i can't locate any fonts on my drive... |
| 02:50.01 | Kornholijo | erm? |
| 02:50.04 | Kornholijo | apt-get em |
| 02:51.19 | Kornholijo | anyways, is it possible to get netboot to work thru wifi? i dont got blank cd/access to wired internet x.x |
| 02:51.44 | Kornholijo | i got how to get netboot running without cd |
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| 02:57.47 | asb002 | when I plug my USB keyboard into a hub attached to my computer, I get a flood of "reset full speed USB device" errors, but when plugged directly in it works fine. But the hub + keyboard combo works fine in Windows. anyone know why? |
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| 02:59.46 | RockerMONO | where's the config file for Apache located?.... |
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| 03:00.30 | RockerMONO | nvm found it |
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| 03:01.29 | RockerMONO | uh... how do i restart it? :D |
| 03:01.41 | NiLon | /etc/init.d/apache2 restart |
| 03:01.45 | RockerMONO | thanks |
| 03:02.14 | RockerMONO | yay it works! |
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| 03:03.48 | abrotman | mavric200: turn it off .. no one cares |
| 03:04.11 | RockerMONO | lol |
| 03:04.15 | mavric200 | someone might |
| 03:04.17 | mavric200 | hehe |
| 03:04.27 | RockerMONO | mavric200: no, not really |
| 03:04.29 | RockerMONO | =] |
| 03:04.45 | dondelelcaro | well, the alternative is that I turn it off for you, which probably isn't what you want... |
| 03:04.52 | RockerMONO | haha |
| 03:05.16 | bucky | mavhc, Paranoia strikes deep |
| 03:05.19 | mavric200 | go ahead and try |
| 03:05.30 | RockerMONO | mavric200: that was very stupid >.> |
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| 03:06.00 | RockerMONO | mavric200: told you it was stupid |
| 03:06.02 | abrotman | hey .. it got turned off |
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| 03:06.50 | RockerMONO | :D |
| 03:06.54 | RockerMONO | mavric200 fail =o |
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| 03:08.05 | gravity | heh |
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| 03:17.38 | fisxo1 | so, I can make compiz run with packages from non-debian repos, but, the ones from debian won't run, and complain about not having the texture_from_pixmap extension |
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| 03:18.04 | piroko | fisxo1, So what is the problem? :-) |
| 03:18.14 | kgoetz | hehehe |
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| 03:19.43 | atomiku | Hey, What was the name of that package that came with all the essential things to compile? |
| 03:19.54 | fisxo1 | piroko: the non-debian packages do work, the debian ones don't |
| 03:19.58 | kgoetz | !be |
| 03:19.58 | dpkg | [be] Belgium, Beryllium or the company who made BeOS. |
| 03:20.02 | fisxo1 | I'd rather use debian packages |
| 03:20.03 | kgoetz | er, !build-essential |
| 03:20.10 | kgoetz | atomiku: ^^ |
| 03:20.17 | atomiku | ahh.. thats it :) Thanks very much kgoetz :D |
| 03:20.35 | kgoetz | atomiku: :) np |
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| 03:22.40 | atomiku | mm<3debian |
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| 03:22.51 | atomiku | Bahaha yeah you apt-get that stuff :D |
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| 03:27.10 | piroko | Blah. Finally. Had to recover my nick :P |
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| 03:31.43 | lymeca | I'm trying to use debmirror to create a new package repository at my college. I run this command: "debmirror -a i386,amd64 -s main -h debian.lcs.mit.edu -d etch -d lenny -d sid /home/ftp/debian --progress --nosource |
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| 03:32.09 | lymeca | It fails because "Release signature does not verify. Failed to download some Release of Release.gpg files!" |
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| 03:34.01 | abrotman | lymeca: maybe mit had a bad sync? |
| 03:34.54 | lymeca | Hmm |
| 03:35.04 | lymeca | Isn't there a command to tell which mirror is closest to me? |
| 03:35.21 | lymeca | So I can choose a proper Debian mirror to download a couple architecture's worth of packages? |
| 03:35.31 | abrotman | where are you? |
| 03:36.17 | lymeca | Massachusetts USA |
| 03:36.27 | abrotman | there's one at MIT ... |
| 03:36.33 | abrotman | you can use apt-spy to find the fastest |
| 03:36.35 | abrotman | !apt-spy |
| 03:36.35 | dpkg | somebody said apt-spy was a secret! Shh!, or like 'mirror, mirror, on the wall... who is the fastest of them all?' :: apt-get install apt-spy; apt-spy update; apt-spy -d [stable,testing,unstable] -a [Africa,Asia,Europe,North-America,Oceania,South-America] :: when this finishes it will automatically write to your sources.list so if you have other mirrors there you'll have to "cp /etc/apt/sources.list /etc/apt/sources.list.mybak" and fix your sources.list |
| 03:36.45 | lymeca | I know there's one at MIT.... |
| 03:36.54 | lymeca | There's going to be another in MA |
| 03:36.55 | lymeca | [22:34:28] <abrotman> lymeca: maybe mit had a bad sync? |
| 03:37.03 | abrotman | yes .. i know |
| 03:37.13 | abrotman | there's one at columbia in NYC |
| 03:37.27 | dvs | abrotman: that't not MA! ;-) |
| 03:37.35 | abrotman | no .. but it might be fast! |
| 03:37.48 | dvs | abrotman: ever try driving in NY? ;-) |
| 03:38.04 | abrotman | dvs: yeah .. a few months ago .. why? |
| 03:38.09 | abrotman | NYC anyways |
| 03:38.17 | dvs | abrotman: not very fast, is it? |
| 03:38.33 | abrotman | dvs: i had sightseers with me! |
| 03:39.09 | dvs | abrotman: huh? day job not making enough? |
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| 03:39.25 | abrotman | no .. it was the weekend |
| 03:39.30 | dvs | ah |
| 03:40.00 | abrotman | i don't mind city driving |
| 03:40.06 | dvs | I do a lot! |
| 03:40.15 | abrotman | you live in the country! |
| 03:40.29 | dvs | No, more like the suburbs |
| 03:40.37 | abrotman | dude .. you live in canada .. it's the country :) |
| 03:40.48 | abrotman | lymeca: are you working with apt-spy ? |
| 03:41.07 | dvs | abrotman: There a number that a lot of Canadians fear: 401 |
| 03:41.11 | lymeca | Okay the columbia one had a GPG error as well |
| 03:41.21 | lymeca | debmirror isn't working because of GPG authentication errors |
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| 03:41.40 | Azar | hello honorables! |
| 03:41.44 | abrotman | dvs: is that the population of your country? :) |
| 03:41.44 | dvs | where? |
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| 03:42.06 | dvs | abrotman: no, it's the number of one of the busiest expressways in North America |
| 03:42.26 | abrotman | hehe .. they're showing primanti bros. on the football game |
| 03:42.37 | abrotman | eh .. i guess you only get that if you've eaten there |
| 03:43.19 | Azar | abrotman eats everything everywhere |
| 03:43.30 | abrotman | it's in pittsburgh! ... my brothers went to school there |
| 03:44.07 | Azar | just don't come eat here in Cali.. you get e-coli |
| 03:45.02 | abrotman | i wish the damn rain/sleet/snow would stop |
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| 03:47.17 | Azar | seen the latest /. about IRC logging? mentions Freenode too |
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| 03:47.46 | bucky | and christel was logged criticizing it |
| 03:48.16 | abrotman | i was misquoted! |
| 03:48.43 | Azar | don't know about other channels but this one is the most politically correct: debian only |
| 03:49.14 | Azar | hehe, abrotman you weren't here last night were you? |
| 03:49.33 | abrotman | whenwhy? |
| 03:49.37 | piroko | Sheesh apt-spy takes forever :P |
| 03:49.37 | Azar | wols got hit by a drunkard |
| 03:49.51 | abrotman | piroko: yes .. a *very* long time |
| 03:49.52 | Azar | wols and stew, both :) |
| 03:49.58 | abrotman | hit by? |
| 03:50.31 | Azar | a drunkard... came here "are there any women here?" and wols goes: "do you have a Debian question?" |
| 03:51.18 | Azar | I don't log but it was amusing |
| 03:51.26 | abrotman | that's it? |
| 03:51.31 | dalias | about irseek? |
| 03:51.35 | abrotman | that's your whole story? |
| 03:51.47 | dalias | i have a great idea for screwing them over |
| 03:51.50 | Azar | no, the guy went on offending wols and stew... ofcourse he got banned |
| 03:52.23 | dalias | some anon kiddies need to flood channels with leaked ms sources, credit card numbers, uuencoded child porn, etc. and get irseek to display it on the web |
| 03:52.30 | dalias | then the feds will shut them down in a hurry :) |
| 03:52.43 | abrotman | what makes you think they odn't log efnet? |
| 03:52.48 | dalias | hahahahha |
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| 03:53.45 | Azar | why do I think someone would like to snoop on Free Software IRC logs to "test the markets"? |
| 03:54.56 | Azar | I don't think anyone would hope log any illegal things... just that "pesky free software" that lower their $$numbers$$ |
| 03:55.41 | dalias | #emacs is rather mad about the logging |
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| 03:55.50 | dalias | they have a strict no public logs policy that's always been followed |
| 03:55.56 | dalias | but now this lame irseek site is ignoring it |
| 03:56.17 | abrotman | i thought it was fn policy .. but whatever |
| 03:56.43 | dalias | it might be fn policy too |
| 03:57.00 | dalias | there's an easy way to deal with it btw |
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| 03:57.17 | abrotman | kill people that idle? |
| 03:57.27 | dalias | the server could introduce random extra messages or typos into each client's data |
| 03:57.35 | dalias | and then identify who's doing the logging via those |
| 03:57.47 | dalias | and ban them (and possibly press charges) |
| 03:58.09 | Azar | some irc networks are banning bots altogether (bots brought in by users) |
| 03:58.20 | dalias | but how do you identify bots? |
| 03:58.22 | dalias | that's the problem |
| 03:58.37 | Azar | the admins do know bots |
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| 03:59.11 | abrotman | yeah .. bots never lie |
| 03:59.28 | dalias | i dont think they know spybots that do nothing but spy |
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| 04:00.33 | lymeca | I need to make the current SSH bash shell session's commands to NOT be written to ~/.bash_history after I log out. How can I do this? |
| 04:01.08 | kgoetz | lymeca: stop cracking? :) |
| 04:01.21 | lymeca | Haha kgoetz very funny |
| 04:01.54 | lymeca | I'm actually still giggling |
| 04:02.10 | abrotman | just empty the history file before you logout |
| 04:02.16 | abrotman | or empty it now |
| 04:02.43 | lymeca | Yes but it seems ~/.bash_history doesn't have the more recent commands |
| 04:02.54 | lymeca | I figured it must update it upon logout |
| 04:03.21 | abrotman | HISTSIZE=0 ? |
| 04:03.28 | Azar | hehehe I had a funny thought: ban all mIRC users :P |
| 04:04.18 | abrotman | wouldn't that include you? |
| 04:04.37 | Azar | if I would use mIRC I wouldn't come up with that |
| 04:05.04 | Azar | I still use Sarge with 2.6.18 /irssi you know.. |
| 04:05.10 | Taa5i | Some of us use mIrc on a functioning windows machine so we can talk while trying to get a linux machine runhning yanno. |
| 04:05.11 | Azar | err 2.6.8 |
| 04:05.30 | abrotman | !xchat |
| 04:05.30 | dpkg | xchat is, like, a nifty irc client that has gnome and transperancy and panel and shaded transperancy and scripting and other cool stuff, or broken because it eats private /msg at least half the time, or doesnt eat /msg at all for some people, or for win32 xchat : http://www.silverex.org/download/, or #xchat @ irc.freenode.net |
| 04:05.45 | Azar | irssi dont run on windows? |
| 04:06.05 | Taa5i | I hated xchat even on Linux. Felt really cluttered and clunky. |
| 04:06.45 | Rug | irssi |
| 04:07.32 | Taa5i | Eh, mirc works great for what i use it for under windows. Any real reason not to use it? |
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| 04:08.20 | lymeca | KVIrc I found to be a richer more featured GUI client than X-Chat |
| 04:08.50 | Xenguy | .oO(as long as they don't use frickin BX :P ) |
| 04:09.01 | Decepticon | what does this message mean in my /var/log/syslog: "Dec 2 21:57:41 decepticon kernel: EXT3-fs error (device sdd1): ext3_get_inode_loc: unable to read inode block - inode=32769, block=65538" |
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| 04:10.00 | vorpal | Decepticon: it means possibly that you have a hardware problem |
| 04:10.24 | Azar | his sdd1 going down? |
| 04:10.27 | Decepticon | what should i do to maximize recovery of data in this hdd? i was told to use spinrite |
| 04:10.29 | vorpal | Decepticon: good time to do a backup :-) |
| 04:10.42 | Decepticon | i cant do backups because of unreadable sectors like those above |
| 04:10.50 | Decepticon | i have the readable sectors backed up already |
| 04:11.53 | vorpal | mmm... you might look at data recovery tools, but those are out of the scope of debian |
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| 04:13.55 | CaT[tm] | ah, crap. stray bracket. |
| 04:13.58 | CaT[tm] | oops |
| 04:14.35 | Rug | Taa5i: lots of security holes |
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| 04:15.26 | Azar | hehe Xenguy |
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| 04:19.58 | manu_hack | any small cmd to put two files with same number of lines in a file, e.g. file 1 has 1\n2\n3, file 2 has 4\n5\n6, I want 1 4\n2 5\n3 6, I know join with nl and cut can do it, any simpler way? |
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| 04:20.52 | dondelelcaro | manu_hack: man paste |
| 04:20.59 | Azar | haaahahahahaha |
| 04:21.11 | dondelelcaro | manu_hack: and you probably should also info coreutils; and read all about them. |
| 04:21.27 | dondelelcaro | (since there are probably 30 or so small commands that you should at least be vaguely aware of) |
| 04:21.33 | Azar | dondelelcaro: I was just steering at his sentence and was wondering why he don't just paste |
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| 04:22.33 | manu_hack | thx dondelelcaro |
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| 04:22.49 | dondelelcaro | Azar: heh. I didn't read it to the end, so I didn't have that confusion. ;-) |
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| 04:34.01 | heatman | Hello. I have purchased a 1TB external hdd and of course, it is formated in NTFS. I have NTFS-3g and ntfsprogs installed. I was wondering if there was a way to set it up so that I can access it using the Places > Computer > HDD. Also. Using another pc, I have put some files on that hdd... however when I try to open them access is denied. However I did not use special rights while xfering those files. Anyone have ideas how I can fix tha |
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| 04:41.28 | vorpal | heatman: can you not reformat it? |
| 04:41.49 | n3kl | Anyone have an podcasts to recomend? |
| 04:42.04 | vorpal | #podcasts |
| 04:42.47 | heatman | vorpal: dunno if formating a external hdd would be a good idea.. plus its nice to have the possibility of switching pc to pc... which are not all linux based |
| 04:43.06 | n3kl | heatman: use fat |
| 04:44.07 | heatman | n3kl: is there another way other than just formating the hard drive? |
| 04:44.22 | vorpal | heatman: yes, i would agree with the FAT suggestion, but i don't know if it will handle that size, and you won't have many features, such as permissions |
| 04:44.56 | n3kl | you could partition it, and set aside a small portion as fat |
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| 04:45.45 | heatman | n3kl: I want to use it as a single drive... not divide it in smaller ones |
| 04:46.05 | vorpal | heatman: NTFS support is limitted in Linux. you probably want to use something else |
| 04:46.21 | n3kl | vorpal: regardless, those permissions are useless on linux anyway, plus transporting it from system to system is going to make those permissions irrelevent if the user accounts not exist on the machines |
| 04:46.38 | vorpal | n3kl: good point |
| 04:46.54 | n3kl | heatman: I am with vorpal. If you want to be able to use the thing on linux, use something that linux supports heavily |
| 04:47.22 | n3kl | But I am also not sure that fat will even support a 1tb file system |
| 04:47.32 | heatman | n3kl: lol easy to say but there all NTFS now and fat32 cant support 1TB so... |
| 04:48.03 | n3kl | so reformat the drive. Its really easy. |
| 04:48.26 | n3kl | perhaps look into ext3 support on windows instead |
| 04:48.43 | vorpal | heatman: well, there you go. use a propietary filesystem, or not. hmm, i wonder if there ext3 support in windows. |
| 04:48.54 | heatman | <PROTECTED> |
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| 04:49.28 | n3kl | mac is unix, so yes, and I remember seeing something about it for windows at one time |
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| 04:50.01 | n3kl | personally, I only use *nix, and when I need to use a windows desktop, I have a flash drive |
| 04:50.09 | heatman | n3kl: would imagine its as rudimental as NTFS in linux? |
| 04:50.29 | n3kl | heatman: wouldn't doubt it |
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| 04:51.34 | heatman | n3kl: can formating a external hdd affect the "stability" of the drive, make in possible that it would respond in linux when turned on/off? |
| 04:51.37 | vorpal | heatman, no |
| 04:51.55 | vorpal | heatman, NTFS is proprietary |
| 04:52.02 | vorpal | EXT3 is not |
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| 04:53.25 | vorpal | heatman, anything is possible, but generally the filesystem is an abstraction on top of the hardware |
| 04:53.53 | vorpal | heatman, so as long as the hardware is supported, you can put whatever filesystem you want on it |
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| 04:54.17 | n3kl | heatman: what brand? |
| 04:54.29 | Ryan52 | How do I mount an iso so I can change it? I did "mount test.iso /mnt -o loop,rw" but then when I try "touch /mnt/test" it says "touch: cannot touch `/mnt/test': Read-only file system". |
| 04:54.39 | heatman | nk3l: digital research |
| 04:54.53 | n3kl | Ryan52: try -o loop,rw |
| 04:55.00 | n3kl | Ryan52: oh |
| 04:55.04 | n3kl | nm |
| 04:55.09 | n3kl | Ryan52: not sure |
| 04:55.18 | vorpal | Ryan52: you can't do that. you will have to generate a new image |
| 04:55.28 | Ryan52 | oh...thanks |
| 04:56.15 | n3kl | heatman: buy this recenly? I highly doubt there is anything to worry about. It is simply a hard drive. But if something breaks, you can always return it. |
| 04:56.24 | Ryan52 | then how do I do get the files out of the iso? |
| 04:56.48 | vorpal | by copying them |
| 04:57.00 | heatman | n3kl: bought it this week... lol would formating a drive a breach of my contract (purchase)? ;) |
| 04:57.04 | Ryan52 | oh |
| 04:57.14 | Ryan52 | that was really stupid of me...thanks again |
| 04:57.19 | n3kl | heatman: dood, I have no idea. |
| 04:57.33 | lymeca | debmirror isn't working because of GPG authentication errors |
| 04:57.34 | heatman | n3kl: was just a joke... |
| 04:57.52 | lymeca | "Release signature does not verify." |
| 04:58.03 | lymeca | "Failed to download some Release or Release.gpg files!" |
| 04:58.59 | n3kl | heatman: no worries |
| 04:59.04 | n3kl | lymeca: which mirror? |
| 05:01.17 | lymeca | n3kl: I've tried multiple including debian.lcs.mit.edu and mirror.cc.columbia.edu |
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| 05:02.16 | heatman | n3kl: FAT32 support approx 268,435,456 clusters so approx. 8TB... FYI |
| 05:02.27 | indraveni | i have a intex pc tv tuner card, how can i watch tv in my system using this ? |
| 05:02.37 | Azar | lymeca: better show off in a paster your /etc/apt/sources.list content |
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| 05:03.52 | n3kl | heatman: cool, didn't know that |
| 05:04.06 | lymeca | Azar: The current source specified in my sources.list is an unofficial Debian i386 repo on campus |
| 05:04.16 | heatman | n3kl: got it from wikipedia... so dunno how true is that ;) |
| 05:04.25 | n3kl | indraveni: I have heard mythtv is really nice for recording like tivo, but there is like a ktv program for kde I think |
| 05:04.28 | lymeca | the old one being replaced by this new one. I have no idea the current status of the GPG keys of the old on-campus repo |
| 05:05.11 | indraveni | n3kl, do i need to install any drivers for this ? |
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| 05:06.42 | lymeca | Azar: Did you catch my response? |
| 05:06.45 | Azar | !no public key |
| 05:06.46 | dpkg | Seeing "There are no public keys available"? This means that the Release file has been signed by a key which you do not have. If it's signed by another key which you do have, you can ignore the warning. Otherwise, you can add the key listed *AFTER* checking the validity of the signatures on the key. Ask me about <2006 key> or <etch key> for more details. |
| 05:07.00 | Azar | needed to see topic |
| 05:07.10 | lymeca | Hmm it was talking about 2005 key in the debmirror man page |
| 05:07.49 | n3kl | indraveni: its prob in your kernel if you do. what kind did you get? |
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| 05:07.58 | n3kl | indraveni: I think hauppage has good support |
| 05:08.09 | heatman | n3kl: what tool can i use to format... while in Gnome? Never used this method before so im wondering what app to use |
| 05:08.41 | Azar | lymeca: I only had one instance of this case, when I was already upgraded to Sarge just before its official release.. |
| 05:08.52 | n3kl | heatman: umount the drive first. Then forget about gui. mkfs is the tool that you want and you can specity the file system you want to build. man mkfs |
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| 05:10.06 | n3kl | I have been looking for a central authentication mechanism. Is ldap or perhaps kerbeos something that would accomplish this? |
| 05:10.48 | n3kl | Also, which would be more versatile? I have a vpn server and a wireless device. |
| 05:10.58 | n3kl | if that makes a difference |
| 05:11.00 | indraveni | n3kl, i got intex pc tv tuner card |
| 05:11.11 | tremby | i did a silly. i put a drive from my old fedora machine in my debian one, mounted it and then needed to change the owner of the files since the uid of my user was different on the fedora machine. wanting to hit dotfiles too, i did (as root) chown tremby:tremby * .* of course, it matched .. and so it's chown'd everything on my filesystem that it could. oops. what do i do now? |
| 05:11.38 | tremby | (there was the recursive switch in there too) |
| 05:11.56 | n3kl | indraveni: I don't see a kernel module for it, but a google search might tell you more. |
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| 05:14.48 | lymeca | Azar: It still will not work. it doesn't say "There are no public keys available" like dpkg suggests is my problem |
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| 05:15.29 | lymeca | Azar: It says "Release signature does not verify. Failed to download some Release or Release.gpg files!" |
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| 05:15.59 | Azar | lymeca: and you are trying to "download" ... what? |
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| 05:16.25 | Azar | !gpg |
| 05:16.25 | dpkg | it has been said that gpg is the GNU Privacy Guard, a free public-key encryption program available , now in main . or http://www.gnupg.org, but apt-get install gnupg |
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| 05:17.19 | indraveni | n3kl, i am doing the google serach but i dont fine any |
| 05:17.19 | lymeca | I'm using debmirror to download the main section of etch,lenny,and sid compiled for i386 and amd64 from a secondary push mirror to this machine so my college can host a Debian mirror |
| 05:17.21 | indraveni | *find |
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| 05:18.46 | Azar | lymeca: ah I see... I guess you'll have to ask higher... helpers |
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| 05:22.35 | Azar | ha! AMD say Intel copyied everything from them: I would not wonder |
| 05:24.03 | kgoetz | lymeca: you need to --ignore-gpg or whateer the switch is (check the man page) |
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| 05:24.12 | kgoetz | lymeca: the other option is add the rquired key to your keyring :) |
| 05:25.15 | callahad | Out of curiosity, why are some of the people listed at https://nm.debian.org/gpg_offer.php not included in /usr/share/keyrings/debian-keyring.gpg ? |
| 05:25.49 | Azar | maybe they are shy and love their privacy? |
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| 05:26.35 | dondelelcaro | callahad: not everyone listed there is a DD. |
| 05:26.54 | dondelelcaro | callahad: there's no validation done of whether someone who enters an entry is actually one. |
| 05:27.19 | dondelelcaro | (so if you're looking for a DD to sign your key, you should verify that the signed mails they send you are signed by a key in the keyring.) |
| 05:27.44 | callahad | dondelelcaro: So, if the people there aren't necessarily going to be uploading packages (ie: they aren't a DD), what benefit would I get from having them sign my key? |
| 05:27.55 | callahad | Or me signing theirs |
| 05:28.08 | dondelelcaro | callahad: more connections into the web of trust |
| 05:28.09 | callahad | (If I intend to start the NM process in the next few months) |
| 05:29.48 | dondelelcaro | callahad: you just need one DD to sign your key for that; shouldn't be too difficult. |
| 05:30.27 | Azar | does Debian get new elections next year? or is just every 4 years like in the US? |
| 05:30.37 | dondelelcaro | Azar: every year |
| 05:30.49 | callahad | dondelelcaro: So the thought of getting a non-DD's signature is simply that they will also be signing keys of DDs and people connected to DDs, so it strengthens my connections to those nodes? |
| 05:30.59 | Azar | dondelelcaro: thanks, sigh.. I haven't seen much of the leader this year |
| 05:31.05 | dondelelcaro | callahad: pretty much |
| 05:31.26 | callahad | dondelelcaro: Not terribly difficult, but I don't live in a major metropolitan area, and the only one near by at the moment has a non-DD individual listed. |
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| 05:32.53 | Azar | @|@ what? you need to go and really shake hands and get a real signature from a DD? |
| 05:33.02 | dondelelcaro | Azar: yes. |
| 05:33.16 | Azar | craps! why can't I code? |
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| 05:34.33 | Azar | If I did not had this great, exciting work that takes 75% of my time, I swear I would learn to code |
| 05:34.39 | Azar | and visit DDs |
| 05:34.43 | Nyle | hi |
| 05:34.52 | Azar | hello honorable Nyle |
| 05:34.57 | Nyle | hey buddy |
| 05:35.16 | Nyle | Azar: so stop doing what you are doing |
| 05:35.22 | Nyle | get a job you like |
| 05:35.29 | callahad | At this point, I'm looking at my flight back to college and wondering if I can convince a DD to pop out to an airport for lunch and a keysigning :) |
| 05:35.29 | Azar | Nyle: can't : I love my job |
| 05:35.37 | Nyle | hmm ok |
| 05:35.55 | Azar | callahad: maybe is that the time for that long awaiting vacation |
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| 05:36.07 | Azar | I would go in France and meet the dpl |
| 05:36.24 | Azar | or in Australia and visit the ex dpl |
| 05:36.35 | Nyle | Azar: stop smoking crack |
| 05:36.37 | dondelelcaro | callahad: http://pgp.cs.uu.nl/stats/808D0FD0.html FE. |
| 05:36.54 | Azar | Nyle: man is so cool to code for Debian |
| 05:36.57 | Nyle | I got chicken tikka and Naan |
| 05:37.06 | dondelelcaro | callahad: which university are you at? |
| 05:37.13 | Nyle | Azar: I know man, I'm gonna get off my lazy ass and fuck with a few packages |
| 05:37.26 | streuner | Azar: debconf9 is in spain ;-) |
| 05:37.33 | Nyle | few people are willing to sponsor and help and guide me through the process |
| 05:37.42 | Azar | streuner: I missed the one in Mexico.. is more near Cali |
| 05:38.00 | callahad | dondelelcaro: Carleton College ( carleton.edu ) in Minnesota, USA |
| 05:38.01 | Azar | Nyle: you are so lucky |
| 05:38.02 | streuner | Azar: next is in argentina |
| 05:38.19 | Nyle | Azar: yeh, our local debian society kicks ass |
| 05:38.20 | Azar | streuner: that sounds really tempting |
| 05:38.32 | Nyle | we got rahul, and stew, and damog and couple of others |
| 05:38.37 | Azar | I know spanish |
| 05:38.39 | dondelelcaro | callahad: ah... I don't know anyone there, unfortunatly. |
| 05:38.42 | Azar | hey where is rahul? |
| 05:38.48 | Nyle | dondelelcaro: where?" |
| 05:39.01 | dondelelcaro | Nyle: Minnesota |
| 05:39.09 | Nyle | oh I thought you were talking about spain hehe |
| 05:39.12 | callahad | dondelelcaro: There are a few DD's in Minneapolis, about an hour's drive north of the campus. The trick is getting up there. |
| 05:39.33 | Azar | callahad: you could take a week and warm up in some other state, to meet someone |
| 05:39.37 | Nyle | !itp |
| 05:39.37 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, itp is Intent To Package |
| 05:39.44 | Nyle | hm |
| 05:39.45 | rahul | Azar: over there -> |
| 05:39.55 | Nyle | rahul: hey pick up your phone every now and again |
| 05:39.57 | Azar | :) rahul, nice seeing you back |
| 05:39.59 | rahul | wha? |
| 05:40.03 | rahul | Nyle: when? |
| 05:40.10 | rahul | Nyle: I was on trains a lot today |
| 05:40.12 | Nyle | this evening |
| 05:40.13 | Nyle | oh |
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| 05:40.27 | rahul | probably didn't have reception, yeah |
| 05:40.29 | callahad | Azar: Once I'm done with school and actually have money :) |
| 05:40.39 | Nyle | callahad: thats what I'm waiting for |
| 05:41.15 | Nyle | right now I deliver pizza part time at evenings |
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| 05:41.27 | Nyle | and during the day I try to study and fix a few computers to make extra money |
| 05:41.30 | Azar | callahad: maybe an internship to a neighbor state? |
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| 05:41.53 | Azar | Nyle: you should have stayed with Dell |
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| 05:43.05 | Azar | I stick with my job because I like what I do and I don't care about bosses and others |
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| 05:43.25 | callahad | Azar: I'm actually planning to go to Ireland and Scotland, and New Zealand after graduation, all of which seem to have DDs in the cities I'm looking at :) |
| 05:43.29 | Nyle | I did not like what I was doing |
| 05:43.30 | rahul | eh, rich people pay a lot to get their copmuters fixed here |
| 05:43.32 | levander | Where can I go to see if a specific PCI IDE controller card I want to purchase is supported by Linux? |
| 05:43.39 | Nyle | I felt the money change me |
| 05:43.41 | Nyle | as a person |
| 05:43.53 | Nyle | I was being an asshole to my friends who weren't as fortunate as I |
| 05:43.56 | Azar | callahad: that's the way you do it! :) |
| 05:44.03 | rahul | and they pay a lot for you to deliver pizzas to them, heh |
| 05:44.04 | Nyle | also I was doing things that I felt bad about |
| 05:44.12 | Nyle | I felt like I was ripping people off working at dell |
| 05:44.19 | Nyle | plus i hated the corporation |
| 05:44.22 | callahad | levander: If you can find out what chipset it uses, you can generally google for that + linux (which card are you looking at) |
| 05:44.22 | Nyle | I hate corporations |
| 05:44.30 | Nyle | I don't care about making a lot of money |
| 05:44.34 | Nyle | I just wanna be content with life |
| 05:44.48 | levander | callahad: It's just a cheap card for a box I've got running MythTV: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16816132005 |
| 05:44.56 | Azar | levander: http://hardware4linux.info/ |
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| 05:45.12 | Nyle | I dislike money |
| 05:45.22 | Nyle | I just ask God for what I need, not what I want |
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| 05:45.24 | levander | callahad: Some people say it makes their computer boot for like a minute longer in the Newegg reviews. Guess I'll just return it if that happens to me. |
| 05:45.30 | Nyle | I'm so much happier now |
| 05:45.32 | Nyle | :D |
| 05:45.33 | levander | Azar: Thanks, I'm checking it out now. |
| 05:45.36 | Azar | Nyle: a corporation pays me but I don't feel like working for them as much as for my own pleasure |
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| 05:45.43 | callahad | levander: Hang on for a sec... |
| 05:45.46 | Nyle | Azar: im glad you like what you do |
| 05:45.50 | Nyle | I like what I do |
| 05:46.21 | Nyle | but I can't do it for a living without degree cuz people are dicks |
| 05:46.22 | Azar | I crunch numbers, verify for errors, create tools that speed up my work |
| 05:46.47 | Azar | Nyle: whatever you do be careful with floating points! |
| 05:46.49 | Nyle | I try to get high and play guitar and try to get better at it |
| 05:47.00 | levander | Azar: Unfortunately, they don't have PCI IDE controller cards on that site. |
| 05:47.01 | Nyle | Azar: whatever YOU do be careful with your fingers |
| 05:47.03 | levander | callahad: I'm here. |
| 05:47.25 | Azar | :P and what rahul is saying about THAT ? |
| 05:47.29 | Nyle | Azar: if you end up crunching your fingers |
| 05:47.30 | dalias | what about floating points and fingers? |
| 05:47.31 | Nyle | thas it |
| 05:47.49 | callahad | levander: I've got a Promise Ultra133 TX2 sitting here that I'm not using, and won't use. I'm pretty certain it works, and it was supported back in 2.4.21, so I imagine it'll work with 2.6 kernels |
| 05:48.22 | Nyle | Azar: #music |
| 05:48.24 | callahad | levander: Toss me a couple bucks for shipping and it's yours |
| 05:48.29 | Nyle | dalias: you too |
| 05:48.44 | levander | callahad: I'm pm'ing you my email. |
| 05:48.54 | Nyle | !token |
| 05:49.58 | Azar | callahad: write a game for me and I'm gonna donate you money to visit your aunts in NZ |
| 05:50.05 | CaT[tm] | ah. that's how I installed them. by not being visually impaired the first time :/ |
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| 05:51.15 | Azar | I mean a free, gpl-ed game for everyone but that has a "for Azar" at start time :) |
| 05:52.06 | Azar | Nyle: I remember few years ago someone wrote a perl irc client for me and I sent him a new PC |
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| 05:52.20 | callahad | Azar: Hah! Do you have a language of choice? :p |
| 05:52.44 | Azar | haha |
| 05:53.11 | _uplinkd_ | hello, where would i find banned hosts, i.e. one host i cannot access via web, email or ftp. all programs don't recognize it on this computer only, so i believe the situation is a local setting is blocking me from accessing the site. how do i go about fixing that? |
| 05:53.13 | Azar | hmm C? |
| 05:53.23 | Azar | that's what I dream of learning too: C |
| 05:54.13 | rahul | C: the unportable assembly language |
| 05:54.27 | Azar | callahad: you know the game "mystic towers"? that's the kind of games I like |
| 05:54.29 | rahul | sadly, it's actually more portable than java in practice, heh |
| 05:54.40 | Azar | unfortunately that games does not run on modern pcs... |
| 05:55.19 | Azar | C is the language I like most and I really wanted badly to learn it |
| 05:55.34 | rahul | heh, if you don't know it, how do you know you like it? |
| 05:55.36 | callahad | Hah, I think I've played a really similar game |
| 05:55.39 | rahul | it's very tricky to use |
| 05:55.51 | rahul | and for no significant benefit |
| 05:55.54 | Azar | rahul: because I started to learn a bit of it |
| 05:56.11 | Azar | just the basics.. |
| 05:56.13 | rahul | Azar: ah, wait till you really learn it. then your head will expode. |
| 05:56.24 | Azar | nah I don't think so |
| 05:56.40 | callahad | Azar: Given it's a 3DRealms game, I imagine you won't mind if I take several years to finish it |
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| 05:56.58 | Azar | is not 3D.. |
| 05:57.06 | rahul | sure, because you need to keep track of all the differences between one platform and another, and all of the little details you need to take care of that aren't different, all in your head at once |
| 05:57.45 | dalias | that's grossly unfair |
| 05:57.52 | rahul | indeed it is |
| 05:57.54 | Azar | look I am not to cocky about games: spent like what... 2 years with nethack only |
| 05:57.58 | dalias | your characterization |
| 05:58.10 | rahul | and I don't use languages that aren't fair to their users :) |
| 05:58.18 | dalias | most of the things people probe for how they vary are incorrect ways of doing things |
| 05:58.26 | Azar | so what? C+ and C# are fairer? |
| 05:58.35 | dalias | no they're much worse in that regard |
| 05:58.38 | rahul | Azar: why would they be any different? |
| 05:59.06 | Azar | what? is like gentoo vs debian, chaos vs organization |
| 05:59.11 | rahul | C++ is just C with random shit thrown on top that doesn't really belong with what's in C |
| 05:59.13 | dalias | rahul, perhaps you should read some good C code rather than crap like is found in screen, emacs, etc. :) |
| 05:59.22 | Azar | yea |
| 05:59.27 | rahul | dalias: why do I need to read the code? |
| 05:59.38 | rahul | dalias: I've written code for xscreensaver |
| 05:59.45 | Azar | ew |
| 05:59.50 | Azar | screensaver? |
| 05:59.51 | rahul | I dunno if you consider that good... |
| 06:00.04 | rahul | Azar: well, it's some of the nicest C code I've seen |
| 06:00.10 | Azar | you don't like C because you don't have patience for "minor details" |
| 06:00.14 | rahul | Azar: right |
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| 06:00.22 | Azar | I love minor details |
| 06:00.23 | dalias | xscreensaver should need a minimum of system-specific code, just for authentication methods |
| 06:00.24 | rahul | Azar: I like the computer to do rote crap for me |
| 06:00.36 | dalias | and even then, passwd/shadow/libpam is probably sufficient |
| 06:00.40 | _uplinkd_ | the minor details make or break good programs |
| 06:00.45 | Azar | yea |
| 06:00.47 | Azar | :) |
| 06:01.01 | _uplinkd_ | i wouldn't trust a computer to make those decisions for em |
| 06:01.05 | _uplinkd_ | s/em/me |
| 06:01.14 | rahul | _uplinkd_: then you don't have the chance to make the major decisions |
| 06:01.23 | _uplinkd_ | false |
| 06:01.29 | rahul | ok, time is infinite, sure |
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| 06:01.58 | Azar | you build your code bit by bit, than take a step back and start sewing it together |
| 06:02.05 | _uplinkd_ | precisely Azar |
| 06:02.06 | rahul | Azar: that's not how C works |
| 06:02.07 | Azar | and tada! |
| 06:02.13 | Azar | no way |
| 06:02.19 | dalias | rahul, it does work that way |
| 06:02.21 | rahul | Azar: you need to have all the minor details mesh with each other across the program |
| 06:02.21 | Azar | C works the way you want it to |
| 06:02.25 | rahul | haha |
| 06:02.32 | dalias | rahul, not true |
| 06:02.36 | rahul | dalias: true |
| 06:02.39 | dalias | that's only if you write horrible shitty programs |
| 06:02.52 | rahul | it's only true if you actually care abot the minor details |
| 06:02.52 | Azar | well that what I meant when I said :sew them together |
| 06:02.53 | dalias | in a well-written program the parts are totally independent |
| 06:03.10 | rahul | if you don't care about the minor details, why are you choosing to be forced to constantly deal with them? |
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| 06:03.36 | dalias | i'm not involved in this "minor details" business you guys brought up |
| 06:03.46 | dalias | so far i only have 2 claims |
| 06:03.57 | dalias | 1. well-written C is just as system-independent as any other language |
| 06:04.12 | Azar | like in my job: I create small macro programs to activate the engine on the big transmission of final page |
| 06:04.14 | rahul | dalias: then name one well-written C program |
| 06:04.17 | dalias | 2. well-written C programs can be built and tested component by component |
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| 06:04.24 | Azar | rahul: what? |
| 06:04.26 | Azar | hahaha |
| 06:04.35 | dalias | rahul, mutt and less are two excellent ones that come to mind |
| 06:04.39 | Azar | you do not like C, you do not code C but dare to belittle it |
| 06:04.55 | lhadji | rahul, the kernel |
| 06:04.57 | rahul | Azar: when did I say I never coded C? |
| 06:05.00 | rahul | lhadji: oh my goodness |
| 06:05.07 | dalias | lhadji, it's not good C, not at all... |
| 06:05.22 | lhadji | the bsd code is |
| 06:05.27 | Azar | dalias: maybe back in the beginning it was |
| 06:05.35 | dalias | yes, bsd kernel is good C |
| 06:05.39 | dalias | linux is wretched c |
| 06:06.00 | rahul | I haven't looked at bsd kernel code |
| 06:06.03 | Azar | I bet Linus does not like C as he does not like Debian either |
| 06:06.05 | dalias | btw another example of good C is ffmpeg |
| 06:06.16 | lhadji | Azar, he just doesn't like the install ;) |
| 06:06.18 | rahul | but I imagine freebsd's kernel code is pretty bad :) |
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| 06:06.27 | Azar | lhadji: because he can't! |
| 06:06.29 | dalias | rahul, i'm thinking of netbsd :) |
| 06:06.37 | rahul | dalias: yeah :) |
| 06:06.42 | lhadji | what about openbsd? |
| 06:06.53 | rahul | openbsd doesn't have code |
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| 06:06.56 | dalias | openbsd is polluted with "security hooks" everywhere i think.. :P |
| 06:06.58 | rahul | it might be insecure to have code |
| 06:07.02 | dalias | lol |
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| 06:07.07 | lhadji | haha |
| 06:07.16 | piroko | Quick question. Is it preferable to rmmod a wireless device or just ifconfig down it before a suspend? |
| 06:07.27 | lhadji | rahul that's classic :P |
| 06:07.28 | rahul | piroko: well, rmmod would probably be nicest |
| 06:07.51 | dalias | "OpenBSD: Now TRUELY secure in the default install!*)" "* Default install is 0 bytes." |
| 06:08.02 | piroko | rahul: Alright. Because I am having one hell of a time getting suspend working perfectly on my thinkpad x31 :P |
| 06:08.47 | dalias | anyway rahul there's plenty of good C code |
| 06:08.57 | rahul | piroko: the tough part with suspend is having the driver realize that the card may be in a very different state than the last time it looked, with no reason for it to be that way other than the fact that it was suspended |
| 06:09.09 | rahul | piroko: and not all drivers pay attention to suspend |
| 06:09.21 | piroko | rahul: Which is probably where my lockups are coming from... |
| 06:09.34 | dalias | as always the problem is bad coders, not the language |
| 06:09.53 | rahul | dalias: well, it's frigging verbose to write good C code |
| 06:09.56 | dalias | there are only a few truely bad languages in common use. perl and c++ come to mind as the most popular ones. |
| 06:10.06 | dalias | rahul, no, that's not good C code |
| 06:10.09 | dalias | that's bad C code |
| 06:10.10 | rahul | well, yeah. those are without a doubt a source of horrors. |
| 06:10.40 | rahul | perl and C++ practically encourage bad coding |
| 06:10.45 | dalias | yes |
| 06:11.02 | rahul | C just makes you think a bit extra in order to have decent code |
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| 06:11.05 | dalias | http://www.underlevel.net/jordan/erik-perl.txt :) |
| 06:11.08 | lhadji | what are the definitions of bad code again? |
| 06:11.23 | rahul | lhadji: something like the definition of pornography, but the opposite :) |
| 06:11.24 | dalias | my opinion on the matter is.. |
| 06:11.31 | _uplinkd_ | not to change the subject but where would one start to diagnose a problem accessing a site when only this computer cannot access it? |
| 06:11.40 | dalias | 1. it's bad if it's not robust |
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| 06:12.04 | piroko | _uplinkd_: /etc/resolv.conf? |
| 06:12.07 | kgoetz | _uplinkd_: you dont mean... bring teh channel on topic? |
| 06:12.13 | _uplinkd_ | lol |
| 06:12.15 | rahul | _uplinkd_: see if you can get any packets to it, any packets back, packets on the port involved... |
| 06:12.34 | dalias | 2. it's bad if it's overly complex and the purpose of the code gets lost in the framework/overhead |
| 06:12.37 | piroko | _uplinkd_: And also if you can resolve the IP from a ping. Traceroute helps too |
| 06:12.40 | kgoetz | route -n |
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| 06:12.51 | dalias | 3. it's bad it the components are not independently usable and testable |
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| 06:13.21 | _uplinkd_ | tracert reports the name or service is unknown |
| 06:13.25 | dalias | imo bad C code usually comes under one of two opposite extremes of badness |
| 06:13.53 | _uplinkd_ | and packet transfer fails on ports 21, 80, and 25 at least. |
| 06:14.08 | piroko | _uplinkd_: dns error it seems. Your /etc/resolv.conf probably didn't get updated. I've been having that problem. I've since switched from dhcpcd to dhclient and not had it since. |
| 06:14.18 | piroko | _uplinkd_: Try pinging the IP instead of the name |
| 06:14.31 | _uplinkd_ | piroko: ok |
| 06:14.31 | piroko | _uplinkd_: If it succeeds then it's _definitely_ a dns issue |
| 06:14.46 | dalias | either the author of the program believes C is "too primitive" and builds a whole higher level language emulation framework inside C, rather than just picking a language more to their needs |
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| 06:16.09 | rahul | hmm, the less code looks pretty, but I can't see the forest for the trees in it |
| 06:16.32 | rahul | at least they follow good documentation practices. |
| 06:16.34 | _uplinkd_ | piroko: the ping works when i use the IP address. |
| 06:16.37 | dalias | or the author abandons proper structure altogether, using tons of global vars, interdependent modules, etc. and uses very primitive library functions in nonrobust ways |
| 06:16.47 | rahul | strtok! |
| 06:16.49 | dalias | rahul, less code is well-documented and it's also extremely portable |
| 06:17.16 | dalias | without lots of #ifdef-based special casing for portability, iirc |
| 06:17.20 | piroko | _uplinkd_: Alright. Either manually update your /etc/resolv.conf with your gateway (if you know how) or I'd just try to reconnect to the network and pray that network-manager updates it for you |
| 06:17.31 | dalias | stuff "just works" because nonportable constructs are avoided when possible |
| 06:17.32 | rahul | strtok is the most horridly unnecessary abomination I can think of off the top of my head |
| 06:17.33 | _uplinkd_ | piroko: understood |
| 06:17.37 | psyche_ | hello |
| 06:17.38 | dalias | lol |
| 06:17.38 | Nyle | rahul: I just got done dissing this 26 year old girl who has 5 kids |
| 06:17.43 | piroko | _uplinkd_: This is why I do all my network stuff manually. I don't know why network-manager sucks so bad :-/ |
| 06:17.45 | rahul | heh |
| 06:17.50 | Nyle | 5 kids man |
| 06:17.55 | rahul | Nyle: dude, that could be a full time job here |
| 06:17.56 | dalias | strtok is an abomination in a library. it hardly matters if an application uses it. |
| 06:17.59 | psyche_ | i found process named getty, and im curious what it is? |
| 06:18.05 | dalias | i agree it's better to just roll your own |
| 06:18.06 | rahul | psyche_: man getty |
| 06:18.12 | Nyle | these are the dark ages |
| 06:18.14 | dalias | but it doesn't hurt anything to use strtok |
| 06:18.17 | Nyle | don't let technology fool you |
| 06:18.45 | dalias | nyle, :) |
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| 06:18.56 | rahul | dalias: until you add threads to your program, heh |
| 06:18.57 | _uplinkd_ | piroko: have any good docs on manually setting up your network settings? restarting the network manager did jack squat. |
| 06:19.02 | Nyle | threads |
| 06:19.05 | Nyle | mmm |
| 06:19.07 | dalias | rahul, why should a portable program add threads? |
| 06:19.10 | dalias | it won't |
| 06:19.28 | rahul | dalias: because that's the only way to get your money's worth out of modern processors |
| 06:19.39 | Azar | sigh I haven't passed further than write small programs that are just talking back at me |
| 06:19.51 | piroko | _uplinkd_: Basically I just made a directory in my home directory that contains a bunch of scripts for connecting to various networks. Basically, it just manually runs killall dhclient followed by dhclient on the interface I want to pull an IP for |
| 06:20.03 | dalias | no, that's why you have multiple processes running simultaneously |
| 06:20.07 | rahul | dalias: it's a pain, but such is the way your hardware will be |
| 06:20.12 | piroko | _uplinkd_: Is this a wired or wireless connection? |
| 06:20.14 | dalias | not useless threading in a program where added performance will not help you anyway |
| 06:20.16 | rahul | oh yay, shm. |
| 06:20.19 | _uplinkd_ | piroko: wired |
| 06:20.22 | dalias | rahul, no |
| 06:20.25 | dalias | independent processes |
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| 06:20.34 | dalias | with disjoint data |
| 06:20.35 | rahul | dalias: uh... so how do they communicate? pipes? what? |
| 06:20.38 | dalias | not at all |
| 06:20.40 | rahul | haha |
| 06:20.46 | piroko | _uplinkd_: Well that's easy. Just make a script that does sudo killall dhclient;sleep .5;sudo dhclient eth<x> where x is your interface |
| 06:20.55 | rahul | dalias: have fun cracking rc5 keys. I'll do some real work :) |
| 06:20.58 | dalias | maybe one is compiling my kernel while the other is playing a movie |
| 06:20.59 | _uplinkd_ | piroko: ok |
| 06:21.03 | dalias | cracking rc5 is independent |
| 06:21.09 | piroko | _uplinkd_: Oh, and disable network-manager if you don't need it for anything. It breaks way too often (at least for me, and apparently you) |
| 06:21.21 | rahul | dalias: that doesn't help someone who wants ONE application to do its job quickly |
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| 06:21.35 | dalias | rahul, what kind of job are you thinking of |
| 06:21.42 | dalias | not less |
| 06:21.46 | dalias | what do you want? |
| 06:21.46 | rahul | dalias: seating people on a plane, for example |
| 06:21.58 | dalias | one thread updating the top half of the screen while the other updates the bottom half? |
| 06:21.59 | rahul | re-seating them, more importantly |
| 06:22.01 | dalias | oh wait.. |
| 06:22.02 | Azar | I guess I should try writing some other small programs that talk dirty to each other while I watch |
| 06:22.19 | dalias | the terminal and X server are doing most of the processing-intensive work there |
| 06:22.29 | Azar | two: one will be called Nyle the other rahul |
| 06:22.30 | dalias | so you already have 3 apps to keep 3 cores busy |
| 06:22.33 | dalias | so much for threads |
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| 06:22.47 | Nyle | hm,? |
| 06:22.53 | rahul | dalias: nice strawman. |
| 06:22.57 | Azar | read up ^^ |
| 06:23.00 | Nyle | Azar: I will hurt you |
| 06:23.02 | Nyle | a lot |
| 06:23.03 | dalias | the question here was less using strtok |
| 06:23.06 | Azar | :) |
| 06:23.08 | _uplinkd_ | piroko: killed network-manager ran the dhclient script and still don't have access to the site. could it be something else? |
| 06:23.08 | Nyle | hehe |
| 06:23.13 | rahul | dalias: I don't know if it does |
| 06:23.20 | dalias | oh you said so i thought |
| 06:23.26 | piroko | _uplinkd_: You got an IP and everything? |
| 06:23.27 | Nyle | Azar: i will send you a virus and hax0r your 'puter |
| 06:23.44 | rahul | dalias: that was a response to doing stupid shit because you assume that it's good because it's in C |
| 06:23.46 | Nyle | don't mess with me |
| 06:23.52 | Azar | oh no.. mister hax0r have mercy! |
| 06:23.52 | _uplinkd_ | piroko: yup, i'm reconnected to my local network |
| 06:23.56 | Nyle | hehe |
| 06:24.06 | _uplinkd_ | piroko: other computers on the same network can connect as well |
| 06:24.11 | dalias | rahul, huh? |
| 06:24.24 | piroko | _uplinkd_: And it's only one that one site it can't seem to resolve? |
| 06:24.24 | Nyle | is there a D? |
| 06:24.26 | Nyle | or an E? |
| 06:24.30 | rahul | "uses very primitive library functions in nonrobust ways" |
| 06:24.31 | Nyle | or just C? |
| 06:24.36 | dalias | i told you strtok is ugly but it's no problem unless you're doing it in library code or something bad like that |
| 06:24.37 | _uplinkd_ | piroko: correct |
| 06:24.40 | Nyle | can you say C++ is D? |
| 06:24.48 | rahul | no |
| 06:24.51 | Nyle | i am bored |
| 06:24.53 | rahul | D is different. VERY different. |
| 06:24.58 | dalias | obviously in code that has a need for using threads would be somewhere bad too. |
| 06:25.00 | Nyle | there is an actual D? |
| 06:25.01 | Nyle | omg |
| 06:25.02 | Nyle | haha |
| 06:25.05 | rahul | D is more like python or java, in many ways |
| 06:25.07 | Azar | rahul: you got a point there: C is good but some coders flunk at it |
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| 06:25.16 | dalias | but the vast vast vast majority of all code has no need for performance beyond a 66mhz 486 |
| 06:25.23 | Nyle | I try not to code as much as possible |
| 06:25.23 | rahul | Azar: it's fine for simple, little, well-defined tasks |
| 06:25.25 | dalias | if it's not poorly written |
| 06:25.29 | piroko | _uplinkd_: That is very odd... I mean, if you can hit the IP but not the name then it is definitely DNS crapping out. But I'm not sure what would cause it to fail on one site only. Is it a remote or local site? |
| 06:25.33 | Nyle | i can do it, but im not a guru at it, and i hate it |
| 06:25.37 | dalias | certainly no need for threads |
| 06:25.40 | _uplinkd_ | piroko: remote |
| 06:25.43 | Azar | rahul: I guess is fine for everything as long as the coder is good |
| 06:25.45 | rahul | dalias: sure, but then you might as well write it in java or python or whatever |
| 06:25.48 | Nyle | I do however like apple |
| 06:26.08 | Nyle | if I ever wanted to really program, I would do it for the ppc |
| 06:26.12 | _uplinkd_ | piroko: i can get to the site on other networks, it seems to be only this computer that cannot get to it |
| 06:26.15 | Nyle | but I'm not going to anyway so it doesn't matter |
| 06:26.23 | Nyle | I like hardware more |
| 06:26.24 | dalias | rahul, then it will use 100% cpu on a 4ghz machine when the C version would have run on a 66mhz 486 (or left 95% of the cpu free for other apps when on the modern machine) |
| 06:26.30 | rahul | Azar: if you give a good coder C, he'll write code that's rather ugly just because he doesn't want to deal with all the little crap you need to do to write good C code |
| 06:26.31 | piroko | _uplinkd_: Do you mind me asking of the site? If not that's fine |
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| 06:26.43 | _uplinkd_ | piroko: www.uplinkd.net |
| 06:26.43 | dalias | also java and python are not portable whereas C is |
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| 06:27.12 | Nyle | rahul: im bored |
| 06:27.23 | dalias | rahul, you don't have to do "all the little crap" to write good C |
| 06:27.40 | dalias | if you're doing special "little crap" that's because you're trying to use C in the wrong way |
| 06:27.44 | rahul | dalias: if you don't do all the little crap, it won't happen |
| 06:28.18 | dalias | well-designed C code doesn't have "little crap" here and there trying to make up for the "deficiency" that "C is not [insert your favorite hll here]" |
| 06:28.18 | rahul | god, C code just looks so damn bloated to me these days. |
| 06:28.26 | piroko | _uplinkd_: Try this: sudo /etc/init.d/networking restart |
| 06:28.37 | dalias | rahul, when idiots write it, it is |
| 06:28.45 | dalias | i've seen tons of horrible bloated C code |
| 06:28.46 | rahul | dalias: well, I'm reading the less source |
| 06:28.59 | dalias | the biggest offense is overuse of malloc/free |
| 06:29.04 | _uplinkd_ | piroko: still getting unknown host when i try to ping |
| 06:29.15 | dalias | constantly allocating and freeing tiny objects |
| 06:29.25 | dalias | rather than working with large long-lived objects |
| 06:29.42 | dalias | (and working on the stack whenever possible) |
| 06:29.45 | rahul | yeah, large long-lived objects like application-managed heaps :P |
| 06:30.04 | dalias | no |
| 06:30.11 | tremby | i had a bit of a permissions crisis earlier which i've nearly recovered from. at the moment i'm unable to switch user to root -- it says i'm getting the password wrong, but i'm not. it's certainly permissions-related, but i don't know which file to check. (i can become root by sshing in as root -- i luckily have private keys set up) |
| 06:30.14 | dalias | that's generally a bad thing to do :) |
| 06:30.19 | rahul | heh |
| 06:30.57 | dalias | long-lived objects also contribute to robustness |
| 06:31.10 | dalias | there's no error condition midway thru your computation that you can't get the needed memory |
| 06:31.20 | rahul | dalias: actually, it's funny. the code that does low airfare searches has an application-managed heap |
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| 06:31.32 | dalias | instead the condition was accounted for when the context was created |
| 06:31.47 | dalias | i'm thinking of ffmpeg libs (project i'm familiar with) |
| 06:31.54 | rahul | dalias: except that the only real management it does is to tell the user to choose a more restrictive search when enough objects are allocated to fill the heap :) |
| 06:32.09 | dalias | where the codec context contains all the buffers and such that the decoding process needs for keeping state and storing the decoded data |
| 06:32.35 | dalias | and then the decoder can just use these blindly |
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| 06:32.56 | rahul | (and by the time the application has managed to grab 3GB of flight data, the user has probably given up and tried some other search anyway) |
| 06:32.56 | dalias | rahul, :) |
| 06:33.03 | dalias | hehe |
| 06:33.19 | dalias | dealing with bounded datasets helps a lot |
| 06:33.37 | rahul | nobody should need more than 3GB of flight data! |
| 06:33.47 | dalias | but in practice, robust applications should usually place arbitrary (albeit large) bounds on the data they process |
| 06:33.54 | rahul | (fortunately, that number is easy to grow... compile on 64 bit and change one constant) |
| 06:34.09 | Azar | rahul: ever tried assembly language? |
| 06:34.14 | Nyle | Azar: i have |
| 06:34.16 | rahul | Azar: sure |
| 06:34.17 | Nyle | its fun |
| 06:34.21 | Nyle | and so open |
| 06:34.25 | rahul | Azar: it's useful to know assembly when you write compilers |
| 06:34.27 | Nyle | its like freedom |
| 06:34.33 | rahul | Azar: cause, well... that's what they output :) |
| 06:34.35 | abchirk | Hi all. :) |
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| 06:34.39 | Azar | rahul: I should have started with assembly |
| 06:34.43 | abchirk | Debian sucks. |
| 06:34.45 | rahul | Azar: eh, not necessarily |
| 06:34.53 | Nyle | abchirk: you want me to kick your german ass |
| 06:34.55 | Azar | Nyle: isn't that your g/f? |
| 06:34.58 | Nyle | abchirk: cut it out |
| 06:34.59 | Nyle | :) |
| 06:35.01 | abchirk | hehe. ;) |
| 06:35.04 | lhadji | abchirk, why? |
| 06:35.12 | Nyle | lhadji: hes being a tool |
| 06:35.13 | dalias | we (on the mplayer and ffmpeg teams) designed the nut container format over the past few years, which is in its final stages now. all the work that went into ensuring boundedness of various operations, even in the presence of corrupt or invalid data, was really interesting |
| 06:35.17 | abchirk | Ahhh, just joking. :P |
| 06:35.26 | Nyle | abchirk: how are you buddy? |
| 06:35.28 | dalias | imo too little software takes these sorts of things into consideration |
| 06:35.30 | dalias | btw.. |
| 06:35.31 | rahul | Azar: more importantly, you should learn how a CPU actually works. assembly is a detail of how to tell it to do those things you learned, and learning assembly won't teach you about how the code is actually run |
| 06:35.48 | abchirk | mh well, good! Just got up and drinking tea. :) |
| 06:35.49 | rahul | dalias: yeah, quite true |
| 06:35.53 | dalias | just the other day i realized that, while html and xml are not regular languages of course.... |
| 06:35.55 | lhadji | rahul, i thought you hated minor details :P |
| 06:35.58 | abchirk | Have to write a bio exam today. |
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| 06:36.01 | streuner | Nyle: your op. sucks badly, ass in context with german is an insult |
| 06:36.02 | dalias | ...SANE html and xml are regular languages :) |
| 06:36.13 | dalias | i.e. if you have a bound of 50 nesting levels of tags |
| 06:36.14 | Nyle | streuner: not a channel kick man |
| 06:36.14 | rahul | lhadji: I hate having to deal with them all the time |
| 06:36.17 | abchirk | streuner you re German too ;) |
| 06:36.23 | Nyle | streuner: like a figurative immaginnary kick |
| 06:36.24 | rahul | dalias: why? |
| 06:36.31 | Azar | Nyle: your g/f goes for streuner |
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| 06:36.37 | rahul | dalias: why do you need to enumerate all possible nestings? |
| 06:36.40 | Nyle | Azar: show some respect please |
| 06:36.47 | dalias | rahul, hm? |
| 06:36.51 | Nyle | you're talking about future mrs. nyle |
| 06:36.56 | Nyle | pleae. |
| 06:37.00 | Azar | wow |
| 06:37.19 | dalias | i'm just saying that while you can't write a regular expression for "all valid html", you can write a regular expression for "all valid html with at most 50 levels of tag nesting" |
| 06:37.24 | rahul | dalias: what on earth do you need to care about regular languages for? |
| 06:37.29 | dalias | and replace 50 with any arbitrary number |
| 06:37.29 | rahul | haha |
| 06:37.42 | rahul | dalias: I'd rather write a program that generates such a regex, actually. |
| 06:37.49 | dalias | indeed |
| 06:37.57 | dalias | you would write a program to generate the regex, not do it by hand |
| 06:38.10 | rahul | and even then, I wouldn't be confident that there are no false positives |
| 06:38.17 | Nyle | oh y god |
| 06:38.23 | Nyle | all this nerd talk is buring my brain |
| 06:38.27 | Nyle | i gotta get outta here |
| 06:38.30 | rahul | but a parser that doesn't use regex will probably be half the size :) |
| 06:38.33 | streuner | Nyle; dude |
| 06:38.39 | Nyle | hi |
| 06:38.41 | streuner | you are smoking too much crap |
| 06:38.42 | dalias | rahul, i think you could make a BNF+bounds->regex converter for arbitrary context-free langs |
| 06:38.50 | Nyle | streuner: hah, I have not smoked anything yet! |
| 06:38.51 | Nyle | haha |
| 06:38.59 | abchirk | No he is playing to much guitar. :P |
| 06:39.12 | Nyle | abchirk: no such thing as too much guitar |
| 06:39.13 | rahul | dalias: so we can achieve nothing other than code bloat? :) |
| 06:39.20 | Nyle | :) |
| 06:39.21 | abchirk | Thats your drug. ;) |
| 06:39.23 | Azar | mister Duntemann say that a computer program is a list of steps and tests .. on his book about Assembly |
| 06:39.28 | rahul | abchirk: not the only one! |
| 06:39.30 | Nyle | streuner: listen to what abchirk says |
| 06:39.33 | dalias | rahul, if your only question were "is this valid?", the dfa generated by the regex is the optimal algorithm for answering it |
| 06:39.48 | Nyle | streuner: http://www.youtube.com/bungnugget |
| 06:39.52 | Nyle | streuner: enjoy my drug |
| 06:40.00 | rahul | dalias: hmm, maybe not in the presence of caches. |
| 06:40.10 | rahul | dalias: (instruction caches, specifically) |
| 06:40.29 | dalias | rahul, but the question came up not directly from wanting to use a regex, rather just wanting to think of html in 'bounded processing' terms |
| 06:40.35 | RickyWh | anyone happen to know whats the cheapest price for buying rackspace for a 1u and only a 10mbit line per year? |
| 06:40.48 | dalias | because browsers are so notoriously non-robust |
| 06:40.56 | rahul | dalias: the processing is bounded by the length of the html page :P |
| 06:40.58 | dalias | you can bring down any browser with bad html or bad js |
| 06:41.16 | Azar | rahul: a microprocessor as a board game? |
| 06:42.01 | liable | whats that app that shows you all your hardware output? (not lspci) |
| 06:42.04 | rahul | Azar: well, registers = board and code = moves, sure |
| 06:42.07 | rahul | lshw |
| 06:42.14 | liable | nah, the other one |
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| 06:42.27 | streuner | dmidecode? |
| 06:42.33 | epsilon | RickyWh: in which country? |
| 06:42.33 | Azar | that could be nice |
| 06:42.34 | liable | !beer streuner |
| 06:42.39 | Nyle | streuner: feel free to post a comment and/or other stuff |
| 06:42.40 | streuner | !info dmidecode |
| 06:42.42 | rahul | !lose rahul |
| 06:42.43 | dpkg | rahul: You Lose. |
| 06:42.43 | dpkg | dmidecode: (Dump Desktop Management Interface data), section utils, is important. Version: 2.9-1 (sid), Packaged size: 55 kB, Installed size: 168 kB |
| 06:42.48 | abchirk | k |
| 06:42.54 | RickyWh | epsilon, canada or USA |
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| 06:43.25 | RickyWh | epsilon, or any country, cheap cheap chpea |
| 06:43.44 | rahul | RickyWh: cheap = unreliable |
| 06:43.45 | epsilon | sorry I only know of german market |
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| 06:44.00 | nvz | hmm its been three days since I've looked in |
| 06:44.09 | RickyWh | epsilon, what site? |
| 06:44.09 | Nyle | nvz: hi |
| 06:44.11 | Nyle | nvz: msg |
| 06:44.13 | Azar | nvz in what? |
| 06:44.19 | RickyWh | rahul, do you know of any cheap colo at all? |
| 06:44.20 | nvz | in my irc window |
| 06:44.26 | Azar | ahh! |
| 06:44.40 | rahul | RickyWh: nope. I let the IT people take care of that, myself. |
| 06:44.51 | rahul | but I know what they complain about |
| 06:45.04 | fredl | hi guys. Is there some way to compare which fonts are installed on my Debian server and on my Ubuntu laptop? |
| 06:45.16 | rahul | fredl: fonts accessible via which library? |
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| 06:45.34 | streuner | fredl: ls -l /usr/share/fonts ? |
| 06:45.40 | Nyle | fried chicken |
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| 06:45.53 | Nyle | rahul: you should eat some chicken sometime |
| 06:46.02 | Nyle | its tasty |
| 06:46.08 | abchirk | And pig! |
| 06:46.11 | Nyle | ugh |
| 06:46.12 | rahul | I'll choke my chicken |
| 06:46.16 | Nyle | down with the pig |
| 06:46.17 | rahul | and you can eat it |
| 06:46.25 | tremby | mmm, pig |
| 06:46.26 | fredl | rahul - well when I start iceweasel on the Debian server locally or over an SSH connection from my Ubuntu laptop, they look different |
| 06:46.33 | Nyle | ewww. pig |
| 06:46.35 | tremby | better -- pig AND chicken |
| 06:46.41 | Nyle | down with the pig |
| 06:46.45 | fredl | locally on the Debian server it uses an almost unreadable font. |
| 06:47.24 | rahul | fredl: look for packages named ttf-* |
| 06:47.46 | dalias | ubuntu prolly has warezed M$ fonts.. |
| 06:47.51 | fredl | rahul - last night I installed those but that made no difference. |
| 06:48.04 | rahul | fredl: configure iceweasel to use them? |
| 06:48.23 | streuner | dalias: its in debian too |
| 06:48.24 | Nyle | rahul: go to sleep |
| 06:48.26 | rahul | set your default fonts |
| 06:48.34 | rahul | Nyle: I should |
| 06:48.44 | rahul | I have successes to gloat about at work |
| 06:48.46 | fredl | rahul - well for all I can see, iceweasel does that already when I run it over the SSH connection. |
| 06:48.50 | Azar | rahul: "effective use of C requires more programmer skill, experience, effort, and attention to detail than is required for some other programming languages." That why is often disliked by some |
| 06:48.51 | streuner | dalias: wget'ble |
| 06:48.52 | dalias | streuner, no, it's in non-free which is not "part of debian" :) |
| 06:49.18 | streuner | downloader |
| 06:49.22 | rahul | Azar: right. I'd rather apply those things to making my program work better, not just to work in the first place |
| 06:49.26 | dalias | azar, i maintain that that characterization is unfair |
| 06:49.59 | Azar | dalias: nowadays with so many "quickies" most don't have the time, patience and love to stay with C |
| 06:50.13 | rahul | Azar: C is all about getting things to work fast, and then figuring out where they work wrong. That was fine in the days when CPU power was expensive and manual overrides were tolerable |
| 06:50.14 | Azar | so rahul rather uses quickies |
| 06:50.15 | dalias | just because perl, java, lisp, etc. let you _pretend_ your machine is an abstract unbounded machine that never runs out of space or time, doesn't mean it's correct |
| 06:50.33 | rahul | Azar: no, I just do things that no C programmer would bother doing |
| 06:50.37 | fredl | rahul - when I ssh -X to my Debian server and start iceweasel, iceweasel would then use the fonts it finds on the Ubuntu laptop, correct? |
| 06:50.54 | rahul | Azar: someone who would use C wouldn't consider the problems I solve worth solving |
| 06:50.54 | fredl | since it'd ask the X server it's output goes to which fonts it has. |
| 06:51.04 | dalias | if you go to the trouble of making correct programs in these languages that can deal with malicious data without eating up all of memory or having other extremely undesirable behavior, it's just as hard as making robust C code |
| 06:51.07 | Azar | rahul: and other C programmers riot when they see the code |
| 06:51.32 | rahul | Azar: other than what? |
| 06:51.46 | rahul | fredl: hmm, gtk is tricky that way |
| 06:51.58 | dalias | rahul, I agree C is not the best choice for all problem domains |
| 06:52.01 | rahul | fredl: I can't really say, because I haven't made sense of what happens with fonts any more |
| 06:52.09 | dalias | C is good for systems and application programming |
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| 06:52.20 | rahul | dalias: uh, what else is there? |
| 06:52.31 | rahul | either you have the system-level support or the application itself |
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| 06:53.18 | Azar | if there wasn't C there would still be a Unix in assembly code or some other sort of code |
| 06:53.19 | dalias | computational/numeric, AI, database-type stuff, customization, embedded, ... |
| 06:53.21 | Nyle | token |
| 06:53.30 | fredl | Hmm, maybe that good old xfontsel could come to the rescue but I don't know if it can generate a full list of fonts it sees on a server. |
| 06:53.33 | dalias | scripting |
| 06:53.52 | rahul | C sucks for describing control flow |
| 06:53.58 | rahul | it's REALLY bad for that. |
| 06:54.04 | dalias | what kind of flow control? |
| 06:54.19 | dalias | errm control flow |
| 06:54.19 | rahul | dalias: anything beyond a trivial loop |
| 06:54.24 | rahul | and it's bad for that, too |
| 06:54.26 | Nyle | rahul sucks for describing stuff |
| 06:54.32 | Nyle | oh did I say that out loud |
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| 06:54.36 | Nyle | :D |
| 06:54.38 | dalias | yeah rahul i'd like to know specifically what you mean.. |
| 06:54.48 | rahul | dalias: dynamically-maintained resources |
| 06:55.08 | lhadji | lamens please |
| 06:55.10 | rahul | dalias: non-local exits |
| 06:55.22 | Nyle | i feel like im in the matrix |
| 06:55.26 | lhadji | haha |
| 06:55.27 | Nyle | all these big computer words |
| 06:55.29 | Nyle | ooh |
| 06:55.30 | rahul | dalias: hell, simple iterations from a lower bound to an upper bound |
| 06:55.39 | rahul | I mean, it's not HORRID for that, just ugly |
| 06:55.51 | Nyle | I am so glad I am not a programmer |
| 06:56.06 | fredl | rahul - one thing I find real strange... when I start iceweasel remotely, it seems to use the homepage I've configured on the laptop. |
| 06:56.07 | dalias | i don't know how you would make a for loop more pretty than for(i=start; i<stop; i++) |
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| 06:56.25 | Nyle | fredl: of course |
| 06:56.31 | rahul | dalias: for i from start to stop? |
| 06:56.43 | Nyle | fredl: its reading from ~/.mozilla/firefox |
| 06:56.46 | dalias | rahul, that's much uglier to me |
| 06:56.48 | rahul | instead of saying i three times and indicating all kinds of minor details |
| 06:56.56 | Nyle | fredl: thats not your local machine, its the m achine firefox runs on |
| 06:57.03 | billo_ | If I have a wireless router, and my computer is using ethernet wires to connect to the network, will it be possible to pick up packets of my laptop using the wireless |
| 06:57.06 | billo_ | from the wired computer |
| 06:57.09 | rahul | dalias: saying what you want instead of what exact things need to be done to achieve that? |
| 06:57.18 | fredl | Nyle - I start iceweasel on the server with it's output to the workstation, but I see it using the ~/.mozila/firefox on the workstation |
| 06:57.28 | dalias | you made extra keywords for no reason rather than building on what you already have |
| 06:57.28 | fredl | go riddle me that one. |
| 06:57.39 | rahul | dalias: well, I already had those keywords |
| 06:57.42 | Nyle | how are you starting it? |
| 06:57.50 | Nyle | through ssh? |
| 06:57.59 | Nyle | ssh -X? |
| 06:58.11 | fredl | Nyle - yup |
| 06:58.14 | rahul | dalias: and for the most common case... let's have a C syntax of... dotimes (i, bound) |
| 06:58.18 | Nyle | and you are saying that icewasel runs and reads from your local ~/.mozilla? |
| 06:58.24 | Azar | rahul what is your favorite language ? |
| 06:58.29 | rahul | compare to: for (i=0; i<bound; i++) |
| 06:58.37 | rahul | Azar: the one I build lisp to be |
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| 06:58.55 | Azar | aha |
| 06:58.55 | rahul | Azar: and what that is is determined by the problem domain I am dealing with |
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| 06:59.09 | rahul | Azar: I build the language of the problem domain into the language |
| 06:59.18 | dalias | rahul, i don't see any real benefit one way or the other with those examples |
| 06:59.19 | Azar | fun |
| 06:59.24 | Nyle | he likes LISP |
| 06:59.24 | fredl | Hmmm okay this is getting really bizarre. When I have a local firefox running on the workstation, starting up iceweasel over ssh -X reacts differently |
| 06:59.31 | rahul | Nyle: I never said I liked LISP |
| 06:59.34 | dalias | i like lisp too |
| 06:59.38 | rahul | I would never use a LISP |
| 06:59.39 | Nyle | rahul: yes you did |
| 06:59.39 | dalias | for the appropriate problem domain |
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| 06:59.52 | rahul | Nyle: no, Lisp and LISP have very different connotations |
| 06:59.57 | fredl | does iceweasel ask the x-server somehow if another copy is already running? |
| 06:59.58 | dalias | *sigh* |
| 07:00.00 | rahul | Nyle: LISP brings to mind such scary things as NLAMBDA |
| 07:00.01 | Azar | I only seen LISP in 99 bottles of beer |
| 07:00.19 | Nyle | rahul: remember, I was pakcing a fresh hit in your pipe, and I took a hit, and you told me you liked LISP because... and then you gave your history or how you were introduced to it and how its better etc. etc. |
| 07:00.21 | rahul | granted, Lisp brings to mind such scary things as make-pathname |
| 07:00.28 | Nyle | rahul: I'm a pothead but I have a good memory |
| 07:00.30 | Nyle | sometimes |
| 07:00.34 | rahul | Nyle: no, I said I like Lisp, not LISP |
| 07:00.42 | rahul | Nyle: however, you can't hear the difference :) |
| 07:00.43 | Nyle | oh give me a break |
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| 07:00.44 | Nyle | whatever |
| 07:00.51 | dalias | *sigh* this is getting really pedantic |
| 07:00.52 | rahul | Nyle: they mean different things |
| 07:00.53 | Azar | call him |
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| 07:01.00 | dalias | i like lisp too |
| 07:01.02 | lhadji | rahul you are the k.f.c guy from the matrix |
| 07:01.06 | rahul | Nyle: it's like saying you like C++ vs. C |
| 07:01.08 | fredl | Nyle - your memory will deteriorate only slowly when you smoke pot :) |
| 07:01.24 | Nyle | fredl: I don't care |
| 07:01.29 | dalias | but i like C as well |
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| 07:01.37 | Nyle | I dn't care about living a long life |
| 07:01.41 | Nyle | I want to live a fun life |
| 07:01.44 | rahul | I haven't found a good use for C since I've started coding lisp |
| 07:01.52 | Azar | I guess C is a good programming language for those who like it |
| 07:01.58 | lhadji | fredl, playing mahjong more than the average person you can stay par no matter what drug |
| 07:02.06 | dalias | writing code in C, you have very clear explicit knowledge of the time and space requirements of your program |
| 07:02.07 | fredl | Nyle - that's what I used to say when I was much younger. |
| 07:02.19 | rahul | dalias: same in Lisp, if you write your Lisp like C |
| 07:02.27 | dalias | the higher level your language gets, the more difficult it is to do that |
| 07:02.28 | lhadji | Nyle, Bill Hicks? |
| 07:02.29 | dalias | well |
| 07:02.32 | Azar | lhadji: I play mahjong when I am on hold on the phone |
| 07:02.35 | rahul | I can transition seamlessly |
| 07:02.38 | dalias | lisp written like C is as bad as C written like lisp |
| 07:02.38 | Nyle | lhadji: no me |
| 07:02.53 | rahul | well, not seamlessly, but the seam is easy to move back and forth over |
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| 07:03.34 | megasquid | how would i check how fast my box can do disk io? |
| 07:03.37 | rahul | dalias: I don't mean doing stupid things like (do ((i 0 (incf i)) ((< i bound)) as a replacement for (dotimes (i bound) |
| 07:03.48 | dalias | i know |
| 07:03.50 | rahul | megasquid: what kind of I/O? |
| 07:04.00 | Nyle | tokens |
| 07:04.02 | megasquid | rahul, i'm trying to copy a db and its terribly slow |
| 07:04.03 | Nyle | lots of token |
| 07:04.04 | dalias | you mean treating your lisp as an imperative language instead of a functional one |
| 07:04.09 | dalias | right? |
| 07:04.09 | rahul | dalias: I mean declaring types all over the place, etc |
| 07:04.16 | lhadji | fredl, it's only a ride so don't worry :D everything is going to be alright |
| 07:04.16 | rahul | dalias: lisp IS an imperative language |
| 07:04.19 | megasquid | rahul, so disk io |
| 07:04.23 | dalias | lisp can act as both |
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| 07:04.38 | rahul | Lisp is better at acting as an imperative language, in many cases |
| 07:04.51 | Azar | how much C is on Debian? |
| 07:04.53 | rahul | megasquid: iozone might be a good benchmark tool for that |
| 07:04.56 | Azar | 20%? |
| 07:04.59 | rahul | Azar: far more |
| 07:05.01 | dalias | azar, about 90% |
| 07:05.16 | rahul | dalias: eh, probably not that much any more |
| 07:05.18 | dalias | unless you count by size rather than number of apps |
| 07:05.20 | Azar | and Debian is one of the most "well done" systems |
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| 07:05.27 | dalias | if you count by binary size, it's 75% c++ :P |
| 07:05.31 | rahul | hehe |
| 07:05.35 | dalias | just because of kde and firefox shit :P |
| 07:05.36 | rahul | assbadger! |
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| 07:05.51 | rahul | oh yeah, kde |
| 07:05.58 | Azar | dalias: how about like mine? Sarge with no desktop? |
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| 07:06.11 | rahul | Azar: probably 90% |
| 07:06.37 | rahul | Azar: basically all standard unix tools are written in C |
| 07:06.42 | dalias | groff is the only important non-gui c++ program anyone cares about |
| 07:06.50 | dalias | and maybe the pdf2* programs that come with xpdf |
| 07:06.59 | rahul | by a crazy router-stealing MIT alum |
| 07:07.00 | Nyle | hey |
| 07:07.03 | Nyle | I care about kde |
| 07:07.11 | dalias | nyle, non-gui! |
| 07:07.18 | Nyle | kde is non gui |
| 07:07.20 | rahul | Nyle: and you're no one. so the statement stands |
| 07:07.24 | dalias | kde is gui, wtf |
| 07:07.30 | Azar | haha |
| 07:07.30 | Nyle | kde is NOT a gui |
| 07:07.31 | Nyle | trust me |
| 07:07.35 | Nyle | I did research on this. |
| 07:07.43 | Azar | but is bloated anyways |
| 07:07.46 | rahul | kde is a graphical user irritant |
| 07:07.53 | dalias | "programs not linked against libX11" |
| 07:07.57 | dalias | rahul, hahah |
| 07:08.08 | streuner | !start a wm war |
| 07:08.08 | dpkg | fvwm95 bites! |
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| 07:08.13 | rahul | and if you try to irritate it back, it deletes your root account |
| 07:08.28 | rahul | trust me, don't mess with it. I did, once :( |
| 07:08.31 | Nyle | rahul: I'm some one |
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| 07:08.43 | rahul | Nyle: some one who is no one! |
| 07:08.51 | Azar | dalias: isn't that a laughter: firefox came to live in order to replace a bloated browser, and now by popular demand it has became bloated as well |
| 07:09.04 | dalias | azar, it was bloated from day 1 |
| 07:09.10 | Nyle | dude |
| 07:09.16 | rahul | flicks, even |
| 07:09.17 | lhadji | rahul you are the worst |
| 07:09.19 | dalias | XUL = bloat |
| 07:09.25 | Nyle | with 2gb ram, and a 3.5ghz core 2, you are worried about firefox being bloated |
| 07:09.27 | rahul | XUL is funny |
| 07:09.31 | Nyle | give me a fucking brak |
| 07:09.31 | Azar | dalias: I don't think on day 1 it had so many plugins, pdf flash n stuff |
| 07:09.34 | Nyle | damn |
| 07:09.40 | rahul | Nyle: you haven't given me it yet |
| 07:09.41 | dalias | azar, even without the plugins its bloated |
| 07:09.50 | Nyle | rahul: dude I'm not selling my rig |
| 07:09.53 | Nyle | I was never gonna sell it |
| 07:09.55 | dalias | it's never used less than 35-40 megs of actual dirty pages |
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| 07:09.56 | LoneTech | Nyle: what's scary is you should be. firefox *does* eat up all that ram. |
| 07:09.57 | rahul | ho |
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| 07:10.10 | Azar | dalias: I never upgraded it since 2005 and mine looks pretty decent |
| 07:10.12 | Nyle | LoneTech: oh thats why I use konqueror :) |
| 07:10.13 | rahul | yeah, 2gb is nothing for firefox |
| 07:10.22 | Nyle | konqueror is awesome |
| 07:10.26 | LoneTech | so do I, actually. it uses quite a lot too. |
| 07:10.26 | Nyle | kde is awesome |
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| 07:10.32 | rahul | 512MB is breakfast. 2GB is lunch. |
| 07:10.36 | Nyle | LoneTech: you probably don't have it configured right |
| 07:10.47 | rahul | by the time you get to dinner, it's too late. |
| 07:10.52 | LoneTech | if you want a fairly fast browser, try links2 - not as rich in features like JS support or plugins, though. |
| 07:11.00 | Nyle | i have 2 gb sw ap and I use konqueror for everything, and I never use swap |
| 07:11.00 | Nyle | ever |
| 07:11.08 | Nyle | not even a single bit |
| 07:11.14 | Vasistha | I have 192 MB and I use kde and opera ;) |
| 07:11.15 | Nyle | system is super fast |
| 07:11.17 | Azar | rahul: out of my 80GB HD I only use 2% |
| 07:11.23 | Nyle | Vasistha: my main man |
| 07:11.24 | Nyle | whats up |
| 07:11.30 | rahul | Azar: I have more music than 80GB |
| 07:11.33 | Nyle | Azar: I have a 1.5TB |
| 07:11.39 | Azar | pretty soon I could say I use a Damn Small Debian, the smallest ever |
| 07:11.41 | rahul | Azar: and that's legal music |
| 07:11.42 | Nyle | I am on 97% used |
| 07:11.50 | lhadji | rahul thats alot of cds you have paid for |
| 07:11.52 | Vasistha | Nyle: nice ta see ya, man. I'm going to India soon ... and finally getting a new laptop, it's in the mail! How ya been? |
| 07:11.59 | rahul | lhadji: oh, I didn't pay for all of them |
| 07:12.01 | dalias | firefox is almost unusable on 128mb |
| 07:12.02 | Nyle | Vasistha: stoned. |
| 07:12.04 | nvz | hah, just about ripped my shirt off like the hulk.. forgot that thing unzipped |
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| 07:12.13 | dalias | it starts out at 40 megs but quickly memleaks to 90 |
| 07:12.15 | rahul | lhadji: about half the bands I see give them to me for free |
| 07:12.18 | nvz | tried to put my big head through it without unzipping it |
| 07:12.21 | Vasistha | Nyle: heh, I suppose that goes without saying! |
| 07:12.25 | Nyle | :D |
| 07:12.37 | Azar | Nyle: go to India too and bring me an elephant |
| 07:12.40 | rahul | lhadji: well, maybe a third free, a third for $5, and a third for $10 |
| 07:12.43 | Nyle | Azar: hahaha |
| 07:12.46 | rahul | heh |
| 07:12.55 | Nyle | I have always wanted a little tiny elephant |
| 07:12.59 | Nyle | like you now |
| 07:13.01 | rahul | I know how to bring a moose on a plane... but not an elephant |
| 07:13.11 | Nyle | and you don't tell your friends either |
| 07:13.12 | Nyle | right |
| 07:13.14 | lhadji | Vasistha how much did she cost? |
| 07:13.14 | Nyle | and one day |
| 07:13.25 | Vasistha | it's a little ganesha statue ... 'twas free, I found it somewhere :) |
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| 07:13.40 | lhadji | thats the debian way |
| 07:13.42 | Nyle | rahul will come over my house one day, and there will be a little tiny 1 foot big elephant running around humping his leg |
| 07:13.44 | nvz | rahul: and how do you get a moose on a plane? |
| 07:13.46 | Vasistha | lhadji: and definitely a "he" ! |
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| 07:13.48 | rahul | heh |
| 07:13.48 | Nyle | oh that would be fun |
| 07:14.03 | rahul | nvz: dry ice and plenty of packing material |
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| 07:14.22 | Nyle | luhar |
| 07:14.22 | nvz | rahul: but this doesn't work with an elephant? |
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| 07:14.33 | Azar | a live moose for my sled! |
| 07:14.33 | Nyle | yeh see |
| 07:14.36 | rahul | nvz: it might... I'd have to think about it |
| 07:14.38 | Nyle | Indian gods don't make sense to me |
| 07:14.44 | rahul | although this is for dead moose :P |
| 07:14.45 | Vasistha | how do you get rahul on a plane? |
| 07:14.46 | Vasistha | j/k |
| 07:14.50 | Nyle | I can't wrap my head around it |
| 07:15.07 | Nyle | its fascinating, I've seen Ramayan and MahaBharat and I would love to see them again anyday |
| 07:15.09 | Azar | Vasistha: with lots of tranquilizants |
| 07:15.15 | rahul | Vasistha: you promise a really good concert at the destination? |
| 07:15.17 | Nyle | but its just way too farfetched |
| 07:15.18 | Vasistha | Nyle: faith comes from the heart; it can't be figured out logically |
| 07:15.19 | rahul | or a cute romanian chick |
| 07:15.26 | Vasistha | rahul: I was thinking hot babe on the plane |
| 07:15.30 | Nyle | rahul: i had one of them in okc |
| 07:15.35 | Nyle | she was my neighbour |
| 07:15.38 | Nyle | and worked with me in dell |
| 07:15.41 | rahul | Vasistha: oh, I'll provide the one on the plane |
| 07:15.45 | rahul | Nyle: and was she crazy? |
| 07:15.52 | Nyle | she was in home sales and i was in business |
| 07:15.52 | Nyle | no |
| 07:15.52 | Nyle | she was hot |
| 07:15.53 | rahul | wow |
| 07:15.58 | Nyle | so totally hot |
| 07:15.59 | rahul | yeah, and she was crazy |
| 07:16.01 | Nyle | I saw her naked a few times |
| 07:16.06 | Vasistha | at work? |
| 07:16.07 | Azar | hey! stop it |
| 07:16.08 | Vasistha | n/m |
| 07:16.09 | Nyle | no man |
| 07:16.13 | Nyle | her shower broke in her aprt |
| 07:16.13 | Vasistha | I guess I prolly don't want to know |
| 07:16.21 | rahul | heh |
| 07:16.23 | Nyle | so she came donwstairs to mine to take a shower in the mnorning |
| 07:16.33 | Nyle | she was coming out as i was coming out o fmy room |
| 07:16.41 | Nyle | her towel she forgo tin the living room |
| 07:16.45 | Azar | stop it! |
| 07:16.50 | Nyle | man it was awesoem so i better shut up now before i get killed |
| 07:16.52 | Nyle | hi |
| 07:16.56 | Nyle | debian pwnz~ |
| 07:17.01 | rahul | your g/f stormed off in jealousy |
| 07:17.05 | Azar | your g/f left you |
| 07:17.08 | rahul | haha |
| 07:17.09 | Nyle | no man |
| 07:17.13 | Nyle | she doesn't need to know |
| 07:17.15 | Nyle | :) |
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| 07:17.21 | Nyle | if you ever tell her i will hurt you plenty |
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| 07:17.25 | rahul | heh |
| 07:17.32 | rahul | 02:16 -!- abchirk [n=rapunzel@2001:6f8:1129:0:215:f2ff:fe19:fa05] has quit |
| 07:17.34 | rahul | dumbass |
| 07:17.37 | Azar | hehe |
| 07:17.38 | Nyle | heh |
| 07:17.39 | Azar | yea |
| 07:17.44 | Nyle | yo man he is cool |
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| 07:17.48 | Azar | what were you thinking |
| 07:17.56 | Nyle | who me |
| 07:17.58 | Nyle | dude |
| 07:18.02 | Azar | now she will think that you are a flirt, an easy guy |
| 07:18.07 | Nyle | a hot romanian chic wants to take a showe rin your house |
| 07:18.10 | Nyle | you gonna say no? |
| 07:18.11 | Nyle | c'mon |
| 07:18.14 | Nyle | wth |
| 07:18.26 | rahul | you tell her to wear a muzzle first |
| 07:18.30 | rahul | so she doesn't bite you |
| 07:18.34 | Azar | hehe |
| 07:18.36 | Nyle | i never did anything with her |
| 07:18.42 | Azar | but you could |
| 07:18.45 | lhadji | that's what they all say |
| 07:18.46 | rahul | actually, julia hasn't bitten me yet |
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| 07:18.53 | Nyle | in fact it was annoying cuz sometimes i would hear her with her BF upstairs |
| 07:18.56 | Nyle | and I'm trying to sleep |
| 07:19.03 | Nyle | so i'd band on the ceiling with a broomstick |
| 07:19.10 | Nyle | and be like, shut up! |
| 07:19.15 | Nyle | on many occassions |
| 07:19.37 | rahul | hmm, I'd like to meet a romanian chick who's not hot |
| 07:19.42 | Nyle | rahul: that girl is whacko |
| 07:19.45 | Azar | good night honorables, duties early morning! |
| 07:19.45 | rahul | hehe |
| 07:19.46 | Nyle | total psychotic and scary |
| 07:19.52 | rahul | Nyle: you have no idea |
| 07:19.58 | rahul | you should have seen her last night |
| 07:19.59 | Nyle | oh I do |
| 07:20.09 | Nyle | I've seen some like it |
| 07:20.15 | rahul | well, yeah |
| 07:20.18 | Nyle | I have a general idea |
| 07:20.24 | Nyle | but i do have some idea |
| 07:20.29 | rahul | right |
| 07:20.39 | Nyle | hey man |
| 07:20.46 | Nyle | i think someone is gonna kick us soon |
| 07:20.55 | Nyle | you need to cut that out and quit getting me in trouble |
| 07:21.02 | rahul | heh |
| 07:21.20 | rahul | only helix would pull that shit :P |
| 07:21.31 | rahul | hmm, azeem maybe |
| 07:21.33 | Nyle | i don't really know her |
| 07:21.50 | Nyle | hes pretty much all about business |
| 07:22.03 | Guerin | i dunno, stew has an itchy trigger finger |
| 07:22.04 | rahul | ok, I'm tired |
| 07:22.16 | Nyle | Guerin: hey you |
| 07:22.20 | rahul | where the fuck is julia when I need to go to bed? |
| 07:22.30 | Nyle | rahul: man don't even get me started |
| 07:22.35 | Guerin | Nyle: zup |
| 07:22.39 | Nyle | 3 months at least i know you known her |
| 07:22.48 | Nyle | how come nothing materializing? |
| 07:22.48 | rahul | +1 year |
| 07:23.21 | rahul | because I get fed up of dealing with her insanity half the time |
| 07:23.31 | Vasistha | so, is debian going to ditch the use of md5 sums in Packages.gz ? http://www.win.tue.nl/hashclash/SoftIntCodeSign/ |
| 07:23.36 | Nyle | hm |
| 07:23.38 | Nyle | i dunno is it? |
| 07:24.10 | rahul | Vasistha: why would it? |
| 07:24.16 | Vasistha | it would seem that md5 has been taking a thorough beating in the last year or so |
| 07:24.20 | Nyle | i guess when packages are dititally signed md5 becomes obsolte? |
| 07:24.23 | Nyle | no? |
| 07:24.28 | rahul | nope |
| 07:24.31 | Vasistha | rahul: because it's now possible to create different binaries that duplicate a hash value |
| 07:24.46 | rahul | Vasistha: that was always possible |
| 07:25.02 | Vasistha | rahul: okay, somewhat more practical/feasible :) |
| 07:25.02 | Nyle | Guerin: msg |
| 07:25.05 | rahul | Vasistha: the question is how many months does it take? |
| 07:25.15 | rahul | Vasistha: and by then, will there be a new package released? |
| 07:25.28 | k31th | Morning |
| 07:25.48 | Guerin | Nyle: makes things taste delicious |
| 07:25.49 | Nyle | !hi |
| 07:25.49 | dpkg | hello, nyle |
| 07:25.54 | streuner | rahul: nobody kicked/banned you in the past, so why do you care now? :-) |
| 07:26.00 | Vasistha | rahul: Well, I suppose the article didn't detail how long it took to create the stuff ... my assumption, though, was that it didn't take long. |
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| 07:26.42 | rahul | streuner: who said I cared now? |
| 07:27.06 | streuner | nm then |
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| 07:28.07 | rahul | Vasistha: "This implies that both colliding files have to be specially prepared by the attacker, before they are published on a download site or presented for signing by a code signing scheme." |
| 07:28.18 | Vasistha | "The collision built inside the above executables took us less than 2 days to make." |
| 07:29.03 | rahul | the packager has to be malicious to do this |
| 07:29.10 | rahul | but oh wait, if they were malicious, they'd skip the md5 collision step and just distribute a package with a back door :) |
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| 07:29.19 | Vasistha | duh :) |
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| 07:29.30 | Vasistha | well ... I guess all debian packages are signed, aren't they? |
| 07:29.36 | Guerin | yes and no |
| 07:30.00 | Guerin | a file containing md5s of the packages is signed |
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| 07:32.10 | streuner | dpkg no public key |
| 07:32.10 | dpkg | Seeing "There are no public keys available"? This means that the Release file has been signed by a key which you do not have. If it's signed by another key which you do have, you can ignore the warning. Otherwise, you can add the key listed *AFTER* checking the validity of the signatures on the key. Ask me about <2006 key> or <etch key> for more details. |
| 07:32.51 | Christoph_vW | how can I install the most recent kernel from etch-backpports? when I do an aptitude search for kernel in backports there are some hits with kernel-image-2.6 but without any minor version information |
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| 07:33.44 | Vasistha | Well, the situation that was addressed by those guys ... they seemed to be focusing on windows, where clients would be trusting a signed, closed-source file, and the vulnerability comes about if someone can get access to the signing key -- then they can make a malicious binary. That's how I read it anyway, though of course I may have made a reading error. |
| 07:33.55 | Christoph_vW | and aptitude upgrade doesn't seem to update the installed backports kernel either (or there is no newer kernel since some weeks) |
| 07:34.17 | rahul | Vasistha: right, but here, debian does not sign the binary given by the developer |
| 07:34.30 | streuner | 2.6.22 was in backports 2 or 3 weeks ago, IIRC |
| 07:34.35 | rahul | Vasistha: it signs the binary generated by the source the maintainer gave |
| 07:34.42 | Christoph_vW | I have 2.6.22-2-686 running atm |
| 07:34.45 | rahul | Vasistha: the binary the maintainer gave is signed by the maintainer |
| 07:34.53 | streuner | fine :-) |
| 07:35.04 | Vasistha | rahul: man, that is a subtle difference that I had not recognized :) |
| 07:35.26 | Christoph_vW | I had the hope there would be a more recent one - my NIC isn't supported :/ |
| 07:35.41 | streuner | so 2.6.23 support that NIC? |
| 07:35.50 | Christoph_vW | no idea |
| 07:36.06 | streuner | well, NICs are cheap second hand... |
| 07:36.27 | Vasistha | rahul: and yet in either case -- well, Guerin said that the "file containing md5s of the packages is signed" -- are you saying the binaries actually are signed as well? |
| 07:36.32 | Christoph_vW | two of three are working - but not the PCIe gigabit NIC |
| 07:37.16 | Nyle | tokens |
| 07:37.20 | Nyle | with rings |
| 07:37.33 | streuner | Christoph_vW: ever tried groups.google.com? |
| 07:37.37 | Vasistha | huh, someone was in here the other day complaining about hard drive support in 2.6.23 |
| 07:37.45 | rahul | Vasistha: well, they're md5summed |
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| 07:39.07 | jesse_ | where do i set which display manager I want to start by default? I have GDM and KDM installed. |
| 07:39.24 | streuner | hm, odd |
| 07:39.27 | Christoph_vW | streuner: no, but the google search |
| 07:39.27 | streuner | jesse_: What does 'dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1' say? |
| 07:39.54 | Vasistha | rahul: ...well, what I was getting from the article is that, since the source is available, and the compiler is available which can make that identical source, it would seem this article suggests that a malicious person ought to be able to produce an "arbitrary" binary file that produces the same md5sum found in, e.g. my Packages.gz |
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| 07:40.40 | rahul | Vasistha: nope |
| 07:40.48 | rahul | Vasistha: it says that's not possible, as I quoted |
| 07:41.00 | jesse_ | streuner: well, im actually being hypothetical, dont have kdm installed, but if i did, where would i define which display manager i want started by default? |
| 07:41.03 | Vasistha | damn it :) I'm still confused. oh well. |
| 07:41.09 | rahul | Vasistha: a malicious person can construct two files that have the same md5sum |
| 07:41.25 | rahul | Vasistha: however, those files will not be the same as what the compiler outputs |
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| 07:41.38 | rahul | Vasistha: (neither of them will be) |
| 07:41.48 | jesse_ | streuner: and with just gdm installed "dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1" says "ii libc6 - 2.6.1-1 - GNU C Library: Shared libraries" |
| 07:41.49 | Vasistha | ohhhh ... huh. |
| 07:42.01 | rahul | Vasistha: also, the package maintainer has to be the one doing this, as he is the one uploading |
| 07:42.22 | rahul | anyway. bed time for me |
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| 07:42.31 | streuner | !info libc6 lenny |
| 07:42.36 | dpkg | libc6: (GNU C Library: Shared libraries), section libs, is required. Version: 2.6.1-1+b1 (lenny), Packaged size: 4302 kB, Installed size: 10452 kB |
| 07:42.39 | Vasistha | rahul: night man |
| 07:42.42 | Vasistha | thanks :) |
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| 07:43.20 | jesse_ | streuner: hmm, what did that accomplish? |
| 07:43.43 | streuner | well, its saying you arent running Debian |
| 07:43.46 | Vasistha | jesse_: it's a test to find out if you're actually running debian |
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| 07:44.09 | Vasistha | because, sadly, we can no longer trust /etc/debian_version |
| 07:44.35 | jesse_ | ... i'm using debian testing/lenny. |
| 07:44.57 | Vasistha | maybe you haven't updated since +b1 was released? |
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| 07:45.32 | jesse_ | Vasistha: i dont know when +b1 was released but i havent updated/upgraded in about a week. |
| 07:46.13 | streuner | jesse_: show us your soures.list |
| 07:46.54 | streuner | this version of lib6 is in ages in testing |
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| 07:47.35 | jesse_ | !paste |
| 07:47.35 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 3 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://channels.debian.net/paste/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. |
| 07:48.05 | Vasistha | soures.list : list of things that sour :D |
| 07:48.32 | jesse_ | Vasistha: since when was sour a verb? |
| 07:48.44 | Vasistha | jesse_: since milk soured |
| 07:49.08 | jesse_ | Vasistha: hmm, i suppose so :P |
| 07:49.13 | jesse_ | Vasistha: ya got me there :D |
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| 07:49.25 | Vasistha | jesse_: 'dict' agrees with me :) |
| 07:49.29 | jesse_ | streuner: http://rafb.net/p/eeydOm68.html |
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| 07:50.48 | streuner | use an official mirror and update |
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| 07:51.51 | Vasistha | streuner: are "secondary" mirrors not considered "official"? huh. |
| 07:52.00 | streuner | re-run apt-get --reinstall install (x)dm |
| 07:52.31 | streuner | not by default |
| 07:52.35 | jesse_ | streuner: "official" mirror? as in ftp.au.debian.org? |
| 07:52.57 | streuner | official mirrors are ftp.<TLD>.debian.org |
| 07:53.05 | streuner | yes |
| 07:53.30 | jesse_ | jesse_: ftp.au.debian.org is slow and seems to lag about a week behind. mirror.pacific.net.au is more up to date. |
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| 07:53.48 | jesse_ | lol |
| 07:54.01 | jesse_ | i mean streuner: ^above^ |
| 07:54.47 | Vasistha | you could just hit ftp.us or ftp.jp or something, I suppose. |
| 07:54.48 | jesse_ | streuner: anyway, so what happens when i install kdm when i have gdm allready installed? |
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| 07:55.13 | streuner | usually it should ask what you want |
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| 07:55.23 | jesse_ | Vasistha: i'd rather take the load off those servers. |
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| 07:55.38 | streuner | but i used that in ages in Debian... |
| 07:55.43 | jesse_ | streuner: oh, so when i install a second DM is asks which I want to start up during boot? |
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| 07:55.50 | Nyle | !mirrors |
| 07:55.51 | dpkg | rumour has it, debian mirrors is http://www.debian.org/mirror/list or ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/README.mirrors.txt | ask me about <apt-setup> or <apt-spy> | to make a mirror, see http://www.debian.org/mirrors/ |
| 07:55.53 | Nyle | tokens |
| 07:56.07 | jesse_ | Nyle: tokens? |
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| 07:56.21 | Nyle | sure why not |
| 07:56.50 | jesse_ | Nyle: what are tokens? |
| 07:56.51 | Nyle | jesse_: you like/use kde or gnome? |
| 07:57.12 | jesse_ | Nyle: i use kde more than gnome. |
| 07:57.14 | Nyle | jesse_: hmm parsing text through a parsing engine |
| 07:57.22 | Nyle | jesse_: stick with kdm, its more betterer |
| 07:57.41 | Nyle | and remove whatever you don't want/need |
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| 07:58.12 | jesse_ | Nyle: i will, i was just wondering what happens when i have both gdm and kdm installed, as in which one gets used. |
| 07:58.20 | Nyle | ah i see |
| 07:58.41 | Vasistha | man, I love the web. I can just sit here and hit "update" and it tells me the ETA for my buddy's flight. 5 years ago I would have had to be sitting at the airport for an hour and a half since it's late. |
| 07:58.42 | Nyle | I never tried that but that it will either ask you about, or you can set it manaully later through update-alternativs |
| 07:59.10 | streuner | !listvals update-alternatives |
| 07:59.12 | dpkg | Factoid search of 'update-alternatives' by value (12): www-browser ;; default desktop ;; change wm ;; default window manager ;; x-window-manager ;; x wm ;; perl5.6 ;; alternatives ;; window manager ;; choose window manager ;; CMD: uac (.*?) ;; x-www-browser. |
| 07:59.28 | Vasistha | jesse_: well, there's /etc/X11/default-display-manager |
| 07:59.46 | Nyle | dpkg.vireo.org |
| 07:59.59 | Vasistha | but I think it's considered bad form to change that directly |
| 08:00.02 | jesse_ | Vasistha: ahhh, there it is :D |
| 08:00.11 | Vasistha | (and it might break something, too ... I dunno) |
| 08:00.40 | Nyle | http://dpkg.vireo.org/factoid.php?key=update-alternatives |
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| 08:01.36 | Nyle | you can also search by value |
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| 08:02.04 | jesse_ | Vasistha: so update-alternatives changes /etc/X11/default-display-manager for you? |
| 08:03.12 | Vasistha | jesse_: y'know, I just don't know. it may. update-alternatives is the proper way to change things ... check after running it whether default-display-manager has changed, I guess |
| 08:03.30 | bytekode | what language is dpkg written in? (just curious) |
| 08:03.40 | bytekode | the bot, not the binary :P |
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| 08:03.42 | Nyle | look at /etc/alternatives |
| 08:03.47 | jesse_ | Vasistha: but update-alternatives does in fact set the default display manager by some means? |
| 08:03.52 | streuner | perl |
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| 08:03.56 | Vasistha | bytekode: I think it's a blootbot, and I think it's perl |
| 08:03.58 | bytekode | that's what i figured |
| 08:04.02 | bytekode | ahh cool thanks |
| 08:04.16 | bytekode | i'm reading through Mastering Regular Expressions atm and am considering writing an IRC bot |
| 08:04.18 | Nyle | !dpkgbot |
| 08:04.18 | dpkg | hmm... dpkgbot is Please visit http://wiki.debian.org/IRC/DpkgBot to learn how to effectively search the factoids database for FAQ, and not flood in the channel with !tell <who> about <what>. Also see <msg the bot>. We ask that you learn to search for yourself first, unless it is a specific problem. Many questions are asked repeatedly, and the factoid database can be of great help to you. |
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| 08:04.50 | Zippy2 | http://imagechan.org/img/images/orange.jpeg |
| 08:04.56 | Vasistha | jesse_: again: I don't know. Listen to what the other guys are sayin'! |
| 08:05.00 | Nyle | what is a chan? |
| 08:05.20 | Nyle | how come all these image boards are somethign or other chan |
| 08:05.22 | Guerin | like, 4chan |
| 08:05.23 | Nyle | what gives? |
| 08:05.26 | Vasistha | Zippy2: what is it? |
| 08:05.50 | Zippy2 | jews |
| 08:05.53 | Zippy2 | pictures of jews |
| 08:06.02 | Guerin | Zippy2: why? |
| 08:06.07 | Zippy2 | because i like jews |
| 08:06.08 | Nyle | why would we want to see hat |
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| 08:06.19 | Guerin | Zippy2: it seems you like bans, too |
| 08:06.21 | Nyle | its not sunday anymore |
| 08:06.25 | bytekode | Nyle: they originated from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2channel |
| 08:06.34 | Nyle | bytekode: oh hm |
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| 08:06.45 | bytekode | 4chan is the largest and most well-known |
| 08:06.52 | Vasistha | Zippy2: hehe. that's silly and funny, and not at all horrifically racist as I was concerned it might be :) |
| 08:06.55 | Nyle | robink: |
| 08:06.59 | Nyle | !package basics |
| 08:06.59 | dpkg | well, package basics is The Basics of the Package Management System, Package format, and how to make packages. http://www.debian.org/doc/FAQ/ch-pkg_basics.en.html, or see Debian New Maintainers' Guide at http://www.debian.org/doc/maint-guide/ |
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| 08:07.19 | Zippy2 | pglad i could help |
| 08:07.19 | robink | Nyle: Thanks, I'll review it in a bit. |
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| 08:07.37 | Nyle | the !maint-guide is actually what you really want if you want to really learn |
| 08:08.03 | robink | Nyle: Would that document explain why Debian is wanting to pull in every input driver for x.org when all I want is to install a specific X server for my video chipset? |
| 08:08.07 | jesse_ | well i think i've found the answer. theres a thing called the alternatives system that defines which display manager to use, and it may or may not ask you which one to use when you install more than one. |
| 08:08.28 | Nyle | robink: no, but gravity would the man to ask that question |
| 08:08.31 | Nyle | !seen gravity |
| 08:08.31 | dpkg | gravity <n=david@dsl092-079-075.bos1.dsl.speakeasy.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 5h 26s ago, saying: 'heh'. |
| 08:08.43 | SNow | hello there, I have a problem, my box, which runs an apache, mysql and verlihub, crashes randomly, with a message seeing on tty 'kernel panic, fatal exception in interrupt" ant above that recursive die failure, output suppressed, and above that unable to handle kernel paging repeat at virtual... is it a hw issue, or kernel? I had 2.6.23 (same probl) and now 2.6.23.1 |
| 08:10.10 | Vasistha | robink: I'm fairly certain it's pretty easy to use aptitude to just grab the driver you want and remove all the ones you don't need |
| 08:10.47 | robink | Vasistha: Seems a bit unnessecary. What if I'm installing to media that can only handle a limited number of writes? |
| 08:11.13 | Vasistha | robink: when I said "remove" I meant "not download in the first place" ;) |
| 08:11.34 | robink | Vasistha: Ah |
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| 08:15.35 | simonrvn | jesse_: alternate dms are managed via debconf (dpkg-reconfigure [,...]) |
| 08:18.35 | SNow | any of you? |
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| 08:19.58 | simonrvn | SNow: check ram (memtest) and then if that's ok then change kernel (order not strict) |
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| 08:20.51 | klys | ~gps |
| 08:20.52 | apt | from memory, gps is http://russnelson.com/ipaq/gps/ or qpegps.sf.net or gpsqpe.sf.net |
| 08:21.21 | klys | ~qpeg |
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| 08:22.29 | dimir | Moin! |
| 08:22.36 | simonrvn | hi |
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| 08:26.52 | aisStar | Hello Everybody |
| 08:27.20 | SNow | simonrvn: I've changed probably 4-5 of them already |
| 08:27.41 | aisStar | I have few question about Commandbymail exention to Request Tracker (Running Debian 4.0). Is there anybody that have experinces? |
| 08:27.59 | Vasistha | !ask |
| 08:27.59 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org |
| 08:28.02 | aisStar | I have few question about Commandbymail exention to Request Tracker (Running Debian 4.0). Is there anybody that have experinces? |
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| 08:28.20 | secondclone | I installed etch just now, and when I highlight in shell it doesn't copy |
| 08:29.07 | Vasistha | secondclone: yeah, that's because ctrl-c is reserved. Are you using gnome-terminal or konsole or xterm or a VT or what? |
| 08:29.50 | secondclone | I installed gcc, but when I compile printf("hello world"); program it says "error: stdio.h: no file or directory" |
| 08:30.07 | secondclone | Vasistha, hmm, it never happen on other installs using gnome, which is default setup |
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| 08:30.46 | secondclone | Vasistha, usually I don't press control c, I just highling and its copy auto, but I also tried righ click and select copy, it didn't work either |
| 08:31.00 | bytekode | secondclone: apt-get install build-essential |
| 08:31.45 | Vasistha | secondclone: oh ... oh yeah, that's right, the "other" clipboard. you can usually paste the contents of the selection clipboard simply by middle-clicking, without a need to explicitly "copy" |
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| 08:32.28 | secondclone | bytekode, thanks, what is for gcc problem, but what about this strange shell copy problem. I think when you install debian, you shouldn't select desktop, you should just skip and later do apt-get install. Cause that what I usually do, but this time I select desktop install too |
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| 08:35.33 | bytekode | secondclone: you should use 'aptitude install gnome' to pull in the entire gnome desktop environment |
| 08:35.46 | secondclone | bytekode, ok thanks |
| 08:35.54 | Vasistha | secondclone: did you try middle-clicking yet, like I suggested? Of if you don't have a middle button, click the left and right simultaneously |
| 08:36.02 | bytekode | secondclone: 'gnome' is a metapackage, which aptitude can handle quite nicely |
| 08:36.14 | bytekode | you can 'aptitude purge gnome' to completely remove it |
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| 08:37.07 | secondclone | bytekode, should I remove it first? |
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| 08:37.32 | secondclone | Vasistha, yeah, middle click is how I usually paste in Linux. Thats why I switched from windows, haha |
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| 08:37.55 | bytekode | secondclone: your problem is that you can paste text highlighted in the terminal? |
| 08:38.35 | secondclone | bytekode, yeah, inside a terminal, if I highligh text, it doesn't copy for some strange reason. This is first time, out of ten installs I have experienced this |
| 08:39.07 | secondclone | so when I try to paste, some other copy from here or somewhere gets pasted |
| 08:39.11 | bytekode | secondclone: how are you trying to paste it? control + v? middleclick ? |
| 08:39.20 | secondclone | middleclick |
| 08:39.23 | secondclone | both |
| 08:39.33 | bytekode | hmm... never heard of that problem, no clue :x |
| 08:39.37 | bytekode | sorry |
| 08:39.41 | aisStar | I have few question about Commandbymail exention to Request Tracker (Running Debian 4.0). Is there anybody that have experinces? |
| 08:39.52 | aisStar | how can I install it? |
| 08:40.12 | RvGaTe | secondclone, did you try right-mouse copy/paste ? |
| 08:40.20 | secondclone | yep |
| 08:40.35 | RvGaTe | secondclone, it doesn't automaticly copy from a terminal by just selecting it... |
| 08:40.37 | secondclone | it doesn't copy any which way |
| 08:40.43 | bytekode | that's really strange |
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| 08:41.11 | aisStar | secondclone, what are you trying to copy? |
| 08:41.19 | secondclone | bytekode, how come you always do aptitude install instead of apt-get install? |
| 08:41.30 | RvGaTe | with this guide about xen: http://mediakey.dk/~cc/installing-xen-on-debian-etch-40/, will that allow me to run windows machines aswell? (its a dell poweredge 2850) |
| 08:41.38 | bytekode | secondclone: aptitude handles metapackages properly, apt-get does not |
| 08:41.54 | dimsuz | strange. testing has gimp-2.4.2, my system has 2.2.x and when I do aptitude update & upgrade it doesn't even try to upgrade gimp. Why? :) |
| 08:41.59 | bytekode | secondclone: if you did apt-get install gnome, it would install all of gnome. when you do apt-get remove gnome, it would only remove the gnome metapackage and leave the rest of gnome installed |
| 08:42.15 | bytekode | don't ask me why, but that's how it works :P |
| 08:42.41 | secondclone | aisStar, like if I do an apt-get search then I wanna copy the app name and paste in into apt-get install, or if I get error, I copy and google it. IT is very inconvenient that I cant copy from there. SOmetimes I cat files and copy from them some lines and past into mozilla or emacs... |
| 08:43.27 | aisStar | secondclone, And ctrl+c dosent work? |
| 08:43.51 | secondclone | whats this metapackage. Just the main file, and not the whole tree or somethng like that eh? I think i am gonna do a aptitude look at the shell, maybe something mising, or maybe back file is misconfig |
| 08:44.08 | vlt | Hello. On _every_ boot the system stops after fsck saying "Filesystem is NOT clean". It's always the fs to be mounted to /var. When I run fsck manually everything is fine. Then I reboot (w/o even mounting it) and get the "NOT clean" again. /var is mounted from the cryptdevices-early init skript so that the device is already mounted rw when the fsck runs. Could that be the reason? Any idea how to avaoid this? |
| 08:44.19 | secondclone | aisStar, yeah |
| 08:44.22 | bytekode | secondclone: it's a package that has dependencies... i guess it makes it easier for the developers |
| 08:44.39 | bytekode | i'm not sure exactly how they work though, maybe google has some info |
| 08:44.55 | aisStar | secondclone, try this. CTRL+INSERT to COPY && CTRL+SHIFT to PASTE. |
| 08:45.09 | aisStar | tell if it works |
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| 08:45.49 | secondclone | aisStar, no, anyway, I need to get highlighting working |
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| 08:46.15 | aisStar | secondclone, Okay |
| 08:47.19 | secondclone | anyone ever used linux with two terminals, or ever heard of a way to run two computer on one monitor? |
| 08:47.20 | vlt | secondclone: In a shell within X you should use a mouse (if connected) to copy. Or you can use the c&p feature of "screen" (very nice). |
| 08:48.30 | dondelelcaro | secondclone: generally you just use one computer connected, and then use ssh to do everything else. |
| 08:48.31 | bytekode | secondclone: you could use a KVM switch to share 1 display between 2 machines |
| 08:48.34 | sep | secondclone, KVM :) |
| 08:48.36 | Vasistha | secondclone: kvm switch? ssh? dvtrrm? there is some fancy stuff in development if neither of those suits you |
| 08:48.42 | secondclone | actually, I just closed and restarted the terminal and it works fine now, so for all the questions, I guess it was just some minor bug |
| 08:48.51 | bytekode | haha |
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| 08:48.57 | Vasistha | damn it my fingers were off. dvtrrm = screen |
| 08:49.04 | bytekode | nice |
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| 08:50.10 | secondclone | have you guys ever tried synergy, it is very cool, you could run a bunch of monitor like surveilence cluster. I am gonna check out this kvm switch |
| 08:51.20 | sep | secondclone, synergy uses separate monitors tho |
| 08:51.26 | Vasistha | secondclone: I can tell you I've been generally unimpressed by the "KM" part of "KVM" switches; but the video part usually works just fine -- just make sure you're getting something that can handle your needs, else you'll get ghosting, etc. |
| 08:52.36 | sep | secondclone, i have 42 machines on this raritan kvm switch here. ocasional glitch on the mousewheel otherways fine |
| 08:53.16 | secondclone | Vasistha, I have no idea what it is yet or how it works. I tried ssh but it just provides access. I can't really use x so well through ssh, like to run an an local or remotely |
| 08:53.41 | secondclone | I have trouble running the display on next machine, or having x on next machine display here |
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| 08:55.21 | Vasistha | secondclone: a kvm switch is just a simple switch that toggles the video output from several different computers, displaying one of them on your screen at a time. It can also toggle keyboard/mouse connection. It's great if you've got a bunch of computers, but only need to access one of them at a time. It does *not* help in moving any sort of data between the computers. |
| 08:56.30 | Vasistha | secondclone: in terms of viewing one machine's X display from another, there's VNC |
| 08:56.47 | sep | secondclone, ssh -X user@host then you can run GUI applications too |
| 08:56.51 | secondclone | oh, kvm is a box(harware) |
| 08:56.55 | sep | secondclone, yes |
| 08:57.01 | secondclone | I was interested in some software solutions |
| 08:57.29 | Vasistha | secondclone: what exactly do you need to do, anyway? |
| 08:57.37 | sep | secondclone, Xforwarding for single applications, vnc/freenx/xnest for entire desktop solutions |
| 08:58.45 | secondclone | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:59.38 | simonrvn | arsebiscuits |
| 09:00.28 | secondclone | Vasistha, just wanna have some fun |
| 09:00.36 | Vasistha | it's bedtime for Day-day. night-night. |
| 09:00.45 | bytekode | nite |
| 09:00.47 | secondclone | I cant get spell checker going for Owriter |
| 09:00.51 | secondclone | nite |
| 09:01.02 | simonrvn | o/~ "girls, just wanna have fu-un" o/~ |
| 09:01.34 | simon__ | simonrvn: glad to see I wasn't the only one who had that song running through my head. |
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| 09:02.22 | bytekode | lol... |
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| 09:02.32 | simonrvn | hehe |
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| 09:04.08 | secondclone | lol |
| 09:04.19 | Guerin | secondclone: call your ISP and complain of lag |
| 09:04.21 | secondclone | Men just wanna feel useful |
| 09:04.35 | Guerin | i believe you meant `tits' |
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| 09:04.42 | dimsuz | testing has gimp-2.4.2, my lenny system has 2.2.x and when I do aptitude update & upgrade it doesn't even try to upgrade gimp. Why? :) |
| 09:04.53 | secondclone | Hey Guerin, how are you. You are very wise man |
| 09:04.55 | bytekode | gimp 2.4 is really nice |
| 09:05.06 | Penix | that's it. rub it in |
| 09:05.08 | bytekode | i like how you can grab the corners of the selection rectangle now |
| 09:05.18 | Guerin | Penix: that's the idea |
| 09:05.19 | bytekode | haha :--D |
| 09:05.24 | dimsuz | bytekode: heh. but how can i see it? :) |
| 09:05.41 | bytekode | :x |
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| 09:06.01 | bytekode | no clue, i saw it on a windows machine at work |
| 09:06.04 | simonrvn | gimp 2.3.x you could do it already |
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| 09:07.41 | dimsuz | p.d.o says lenny has 2.4.2. why update isn't performe then? strange |
| 09:08.31 | simonrvn | because it doesn't feel like it |
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| 09:10.15 | dimsuz | simonrvn: ah :) ok. maybe I should feed it with some nice food. so it will be feeling better :) |
| 09:10.22 | dimsuz | more gimpish |
| 09:10.41 | Penix | tie a chain around its neck |
| 09:10.43 | dimsuz | what do apt-gets and aptitudes like? |
| 09:10.56 | simonrvn | bits and bytes |
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| 09:11.03 | dimsuz | chain of apple-pies? ;) |
| 09:11.04 | secondclone | I love paris hilton |
| 09:11.08 | dimsuz | no not apple |
| 09:11.32 | Penix | secondclone: you must have brain damage |
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| 09:11.46 | dimsuz | simonrvn: hmmm. maybe "yes > aptitude -" ? :) |
| 09:12.02 | dimsuz | who is paris hilton? |
| 09:12.12 | Penix | nobody |
| 09:12.15 | dalias | ugly heiress ho |
| 09:12.24 | bytekode | lol |
| 09:12.34 | secondclone | c'mon she acts for snobby it makes me so horny |
| 09:12.45 | dimsuz | is this an actress? |
| 09:12.53 | dalias | i think she did some acting, not sure tho |
| 09:13.16 | dimsuz | if ever |
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| 09:13.46 | secondclone | she is daughter of hilton hotel mogal. Very rich familty in US |
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| 09:13.56 | simonrvn | mogul... |
| 09:14.10 | Penix | whore... |
| 09:14.21 | secondclone | She become famous when she made sex tape with bf doing bj in hotel room with night vision camera and leaked it to media |
| 09:14.28 | simonrvn | more like spolied brat |
| 09:14.31 | simonrvn | spoiled* |
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| 09:14.38 | dimsuz | ok-ok. I'd better have my gimp updated though :D |
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| 09:14.46 | secondclone | they are all whore in hollywood, what do you think |
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| 09:15.01 | secondclone | you think julia never did bj to a boss before |
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| 09:15.13 | Penix | no one really cares |
| 09:15.13 | secondclone | she did lots bj's, maybe even to dady |
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| 09:15.21 | stew | secondclone: please keep it on-topic |
| 09:15.21 | secondclone | k |
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| 09:15.40 | k31th | Where does debian log ppp connection stuff? |
| 09:16.10 | Snuxoll | !topic |
| 09:16.12 | Snuxoll | bah |
| 09:16.31 | simonrvn | like everything else, in /var/log |
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| 09:17.26 | Nyle | hey i have found this old game called decent i used to have |
| 09:17.31 | k31th | simonrvn: ... yeah but where! |
| 09:17.32 | Nyle | about alien spacecrafts and fully 3d |
| 09:17.33 | lymeca | How can I tell mv to move all files/directories recursively from one directory and merge it to another by moving the files that aren't already there? |
| 09:17.35 | Nyle | nice stuff |
| 09:17.46 | simonrvn | ls ppp* |
| 09:17.51 | k31th | simonrvn: its not in daemon.loh |
| 09:17.54 | k31th | log* |
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| 09:19.07 | ShredZ | how do I make sure a route add I entered is restored after a reboot ? |
| 09:19.16 | k31th | whats the command to read .gz log files ? |
| 09:19.27 | Penix | k31th: zless among others |
| 09:19.31 | SlayerXP | k31th: zless zcat zgrep |
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| 09:22.06 | dimsuz | after I see that some package is going in in testing today, when can I expect to update and be able to install it? |
| 09:22.32 | bytekode | you can pull packages from testing/unstable... i'm just not sure how to go about it |
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| 09:23.14 | Snuxoll | http://packages.debian.org |
| 09:23.16 | dimsuz | bytekode: well i *am* using packages from testing :) I'm talking about this: http://bjorn.haxx.se/debian/accepted.html a |
| 09:23.27 | bytekode | ahhhhhh |
| 09:23.42 | dimsuz | after a package appeared there, when will it be available for me to aptitude install it? |
| 09:23.52 | dimsuz | today? tomorrow? |
| 09:24.05 | dimsuz | Snuxoll: see above |
| 09:24.12 | bytekode | no idea charles |
| 09:24.20 | bytekode | i'd be interested to know as well |
| 09:24.26 | dimsuz | :) |
| 09:24.47 | dimsuz | some_debian_guru: ping ;) |
| 09:26.05 | Snuxoll | dimsuz: if it's on packages.debian.org it's in the repos |
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| 09:29.04 | dimsuz | Snuxoll: Thanks. btw, perhaps you know why then gimp-2.4 is on p.d.o, but aptitude upgrade doesnt update my gimp-2.2??? |
| 09:29.58 | Snuxoll | dimsuz: lemme check |
| 09:30.37 | dimsuz | Snuxoll: talking about lenny here |
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| 09:33.07 | Snuxoll | dimsuz: what does apt-get update && sudo apt-cache policy gimp show? |
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| 09:33.20 | Snuxoll | bah, no sudo... |
| 09:33.23 | aurax | heya all |
| 09:33.29 | bytekode | hi |
| 09:33.44 | Snuxoll | may to used to supporting Ubuntu users.... |
| 09:34.07 | aurax | what is the best pbx to use with debian ? |
| 09:34.20 | Snuxoll | asterik |
| 09:34.46 | fengor | what is a pbx? |
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| 09:35.07 | Snuxoll | *asterisk |
| 09:35.46 | mitziyahu | hey |
| 09:36.03 | dimsuz | Snuxoll: http://pastebin.ca/804280 |
| 09:36.10 | aurax | aight |
| 09:36.19 | mitziyahu | whats the best way to have a group of people work on files on ssh? can i have inherited permissions? cause people keep on changing them by accident |
| 09:36.20 | ShredZ | Is there no way to make a route permanent (meaning it will still be there after a reboot) |
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| 09:37.24 | Snuxoll | bah...my 'net connection hates me right now |
| 09:37.46 | Snuxoll | gotta reboot dimsuz, brb |
| 09:39.19 | dimsuz | Snuxoll: ok. thanks for helping |
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| 09:42.35 | Snuxoll | dimsuz: what's that pastebin link again? |
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| 09:42.55 | bytekode | /msg dpkg paster |
| 09:43.30 | minus198 | Does anyone know how to solve the "Nautilus crashes when checking properties of files"-issue? |
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| 09:43.39 | Snuxoll | bytekode: was asking for a paste he made, but thank you |
| 09:43.44 | bytekode | oh, sorry |
| 09:43.58 | Snuxoll | lol, np |
| 09:44.03 | dimsuz | Snuxoll: http://pastebin.ca/804280 |
| 09:44.21 | capiira | minus198, what version are you running ? |
| 09:44.58 | Snuxoll | of course it won't load for some stupid reason.... |
| 09:45.00 | minus198 | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:45.10 | capiira | yeah |
| 09:45.20 | capiira | its because of old packages |
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| 09:45.39 | capiira | mixed 2.14 2.16 2.20 |
| 09:45.53 | dimsuz | Snuxoll: i have smth broken? btw, same happens on my home system |
| 09:46.00 | capiira | if you take 2.20 from unstable then everything runs fine |
| 09:46.04 | minus198 | capiira, Ok, and what do I do about it? |
| 09:46.08 | minus198 | ah.. |
| 09:46.10 | minus198 | I see |
| 09:46.23 | Snuxoll | dimsuz: no, pastebin refuses no load |
| 09:46.37 | dimsuz | oops |
| 09:46.52 | dimsuz | Snuxoll: let me paste it to some other site |
| 09:46.59 | smhar | hello all |
| 09:47.13 | bytekode | ho |
| 09:47.17 | bytekode | hi* :x |
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| 09:47.35 | dimsuz | Snuxoll: for example here: http://rafb.net/p/nCfegW81.html |
| 09:47.35 | capiira | 2.20 from unstable is running pretty good right now |
| 09:47.41 | minus198 | capiira, am I just supposed to backport nautilus? |
| 09:48.00 | capiira | dunno if you can compile it yourself or find sources |
| 09:48.08 | capiira | should work too |
| 09:48.11 | Snuxoll | dimsuz: hhhmmmm |
| 09:48.25 | minus198 | capiira, well... I thought of doing: |
| 09:48.31 | dimsuz | Snuxoll: i'm doing aptitude upgrade almost everyday :) |
| 09:48.33 | minus198 | !dpkg simple sid backports |
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| 09:48.44 | minus198 | !tell capiira simple sid backports |
| 09:48.47 | Snuxoll | odd |
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| 09:48.58 | dimsuz | any ideas? |
| 09:49.11 | capiira | got nothing |
| 09:49.12 | Zippy2 | vista |
| 09:49.39 | capiira | but i'm running it from sid and works wonderful :D |
| 09:49.40 | minus198 | capiira, Well.. dpkg told me that it was an invalid target :/ |
| 09:49.49 | Snuxoll | Is the package held back dimsuz? |
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| 09:49.56 | minus198 | capiira, How did you get it then? From source? |
| 09:50.01 | capiira | testing /sid mix |
| 09:50.19 | mitziyahu | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:50.22 | mitziyahu | is that true? |
| 09:50.25 | dimsuz | Snuxoll: how to check? you mean "kept back" warnings? I see no such warnings |
| 09:50.32 | Snuxoll | odd |
| 09:50.33 | capiira | i upgraded stable to testing pinned the whole sid and browse with synaptic and select packages manually |
| 09:50.37 | xand | mitziyahu: yes, that's what +s is for |
| 09:50.47 | xand | mitziyahu: why else would you use +s? |
| 09:50.51 | smhar | I am using an apt-cache program to share packages downloaded by apt in my home network. But since I move my notebook around, I sometimes update the system outside my home network. how can I use those downloaded packages and move to the cacher? |
| 09:51.07 | dimsuz | Snuxoll: maybe my sources.list is somehow messed up? or package cache? or? :) |
| 09:51.12 | mitziyahu | xand: inherit permissions |
| 09:51.28 | mitziyahu | i want to inherit permissions, but not accidently give root to anyone |
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| 09:51.50 | minus198 | capiira, What do you mean? Are you using Sid repos on lenny? |
| 09:52.06 | Snuxoll | apt-get remove gimp && dimsuz: apt-get clean && apt-get update && apt-get install gimp |
| 09:52.21 | capiira | yeah mixed |
| 09:52.25 | Snuxoll | errrr.. apt-get remove gimp && apt-get clean && apt-get update && apt-get install gimp |
| 09:52.37 | capiira | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:52.39 | dimsuz | Snuxoll: ok. moment |
| 09:53.04 | Snuxoll | learning dvorak is messing me up badly..... |
| 09:53.18 | minus198 | Snuxoll, Dvorak is hard xD |
| 09:53.38 | Snuxoll | minus198: not really, just takes time |
| 09:53.48 | robboplus | does anyone know what can be hogging down my apache so it only servs 11 reqs per second? |
| 09:53.57 | minus198 | Snuxoll, well.. its hard in the beginning when your used to qwerty |
| 09:54.11 | dimsuz | Snuxoll: what if i have another such not-updatable packages? :) |
| 09:54.12 | Snuxoll | minus198: agreed |
| 09:54.39 | capiira | minus198, check your query |
| 09:54.48 | Snuxoll | dimsuz: try the above on it, not ideal, but it works |
| 09:55.05 | Snuxoll | *usually |
| 09:55.51 | minus198 | capiira, Well.. you havn't told me anything in priv.. just "see" "moment" "here?" :P |
| 09:55.54 | dimsuz | Snuxoll: amazing. it still wants an old one: "Get:1 http://ftp.debian.org testing/main gimp-data 2.2.17-1 [6836kB]" |
| 09:56.04 | Snuxoll | wth |
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| 09:57.06 | Snuxoll | might be eaiser te get the package on packages.debian.org |
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| 09:57.57 | dimsuz | Snuxoll: but i guess i've something broken |
| 09:58.13 | mitziyahu | why dont files inherit my permissions when they're g+s |
| 09:58.14 | mitziyahu | \;x |
| 09:58.19 | Snuxoll | http://packages.debian.org/lenny/gimp & http://packages.debian.org/lenny/gimp-data |
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| 09:58.51 | Snuxoll | use dpk to install those |
| 09:58.57 | Snuxoll | *dpkg |
| 10:00.02 | dimsuz | Snuxoll: thanks |
| 10:00.25 | Snuxoll | np |
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| 10:01.48 | Snuxoll | time for this Debianite to get some sleep, night |
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| 10:02.15 | dimsuz | maybe i should mail gimp package maintainer to ask him what this can be? |
| 10:02.24 | Snuxoll | maybe |
| 10:02.26 | dimsuz | or is there some debian packaging channel? |
| 10:02.54 | xur1z | can anyone tell me how to un-pin a package? i must have used CLI rather than /etc/apt/prefs |
| 10:03.09 | xur1z | it has priority 10001 and doesn't want to upgrade :{ |
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| 10:04.13 | xur1z | my problem -> http://pastebin.ca/804297 (i want to get to PHP5.2.5 because it fixes a regex issue i'm facing) |
| 10:04.16 | wols_ | xur1z: check your apt_preferences |
| 10:04.35 | xur1z | wols: i checked /etc/apt/preferences, is that what you mean? |
| 10:04.50 | xur1z | ^^ i must have used CLI rather than /etc/apt/pref... |
| 10:05.21 | xur1z | it just has normal stable/unstable/testing entries |
| 10:06.22 | wols_ | <PROTECTED> |
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| 10:07.16 | xur1z | http://pastebin.ca/804298 |
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| 10:07.26 | wols_ | and if you used commandline to pin it, you can use it to unpin too, no? |
| 10:08.03 | xur1z | yes, but some months later, i seem to have forgotten how :) |
| 10:08.43 | xur1z | lots of web docs tell you how to pin, but i can |
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| 10:08.51 | xur1z | t find the ones that say how to un-pin :) |
| 10:09.15 | simonrvn | mv the file away or edit |
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| 10:10.11 | xur1z | i guess what i'm asking, simon, is "apart from /etc/apt/preferences, what file stores pinning prefs?" |
| 10:10.53 | simonrvn | see in /etc/apt/conf.d for some other ones |
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| 10:11.35 | simonrvn | i'm pretty damned sure that's the only one |
| 10:12.21 | Rapp | i've got a problem: i need a debian installer boot floppy that supports USB floppy drives. the etch installer doesn't ahve that. any ideas where to finde one? |
| 10:12.23 | xur1z | there's /etc/apt/apt.conf.d but it only has 70debconf and nothing drastic in there |
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| 10:13.07 | Taa5i | Has anyone here had success using a wireless usb network device with the rt73 driver? I tried compiling it yesterday from rt2x00.serialmonkey.com and the make failed. |
| 10:14.08 | xur1z | oh i see, apache-mpm-worker has status "hold" |
| 10:14.15 | secondclone | anyone know which digital camera and cell phone camera is best to buy so it works easy with Linux. Also wireless nick |
| 10:14.54 | simonrvn | xur1z: pref.. is your only one i bet |
| 10:15.43 | robboplus | folks, no matter how hard i try all i get is Requests per second: 10.77 [#/sec] (mean) from apache... why on earth is that? |
| 10:15.45 | wols_ | Rapp: how does the installer floppy "not work"? |
| 10:16.08 | Rapp | wols_, the kernel panics with the message it did not find a suitable floppy driver |
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| 10:16.58 | cast | evening |
| 10:17.32 | liable | ehlo |
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| 10:19.26 | Penix | balancing |
| 10:19.52 | liable | precariously |
| 10:20.08 | peter___ | :p |
| 10:20.12 | simonrvn | on a |
| 10:20.30 | liable | slippery toadstool |
| 10:21.30 | liable | its a big fucking toadstool |
| 10:22.35 | liable | or maybe i shouldn't have licked that cane toad.. |
| 10:23.05 | Penix | no turning back now |
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| 10:23.24 | Penix | you should've played golf with it though |
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| 10:23.59 | liable | ah yes, favourite past time of queenslanders |
| 10:24.18 | liable | they make quite a stisfying pop when run over as well |
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| 10:24.24 | liable | +a |
| 10:25.31 | Kamping_Kaiser | how can i apply a diff that is of a directory? or do i have to somehow split the diff into single files and apply them seperately? |
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| 10:26.30 | Kamping_Kaiser | liable, running over banna benders now are you? ;) |
| 10:26.34 | zophy | is owsley here ? |
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| 10:26.40 | zophy | i need some |
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| 10:27.31 | Penix | the suspense is killing me |
| 10:27.33 | Penix | some what? |
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| 10:28.14 | ronr | I want my users to have a 077 umask on their homedir, but a different (007) on some nfs mounts, how can I do that? |
| 10:28.16 | zophy | Penix, i need to plug it in |
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| 10:28.45 | Penix | tell me about it |
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| 10:40.24 | DawnLight | ronr: bad time of day |
| 10:40.31 | bytekode | ;o |
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| 10:41.51 | ronr | DawnLight: I think I can just use umask <mode> <dir> |
| 10:42.19 | mitziyahu | how can i check if a dir is in sticky mode? |
| 10:42.35 | streuner | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:42.40 | dunking | ls -l |
| 10:42.49 | nkuttler | mitziyahu: ls -ld even |
| 10:43.18 | mitziyahu | ls -l doens't show the sticky mode |
| 10:43.44 | mitziyahu | nor does -ld |
| 10:43.56 | xand | yes it does |
| 10:44.08 | xand | if it doesn't, then it's not sticky |
| 10:44.13 | mitziyahu | root@blue:/home/sniff/permissions# chmod g+t . |
| 10:44.13 | mitziyahu | root@blue:/home/sniff/permissions# ls -ld |
| 10:44.13 | mitziyahu | drwxrwxr-x 2 sniff PHPizabi 96 Dec 3 12:42 . |
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| 10:45.27 | MohammadBoozary | Hi all |
| 10:45.30 | xand | mitziyahu: +t doesn't apply to groups |
| 10:45.36 | xand | mitziyahu: do chmod +t and then ls -ld. |
| 10:45.57 | MohammadBoozary | I need a place for learn unux and linux commands please help me ! |
| 10:46.18 | mitziyahu | MohammadBoozary, google |
| 10:46.24 | Kamping_Kaiser | TLDP |
| 10:46.28 | xand | google "unix cheat sheet" |
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| 10:47.14 | MohammadBoozary | mitziyahu: tnx for youre help ;) |
| 10:47.19 | ronr | anyone knows what script will always be executed upon login (.bash_profile or .bashrc won't do as I also want the script to be executed if the user logs in using for example kdm)? |
| 10:47.21 | Kamping_Kaiser | ronr, iirc you can set masks when you mount nfs drives |
| 10:47.24 | nkuttler | MohammadBoozary: /msg dpkg grounding |
| 10:47.26 | mitziyahu | xand odd, so i think i had a +s cause +t doesn't inherit permissions |
| 10:47.35 | mitziyahu | MohammadBoozary, you're welcom |
| 10:47.41 | Kamping_Kaiser | ronr, you have to use pam for that |
| 10:47.49 | mitziyahu | welcome |
| 10:47.54 | Kamping_Kaiser | or *dm scripts |
| 10:48.48 | ronr | Kamping_Kaiser: what pam module is that? I guess it would be something on session? |
| 10:49.35 | Kamping_Kaiser | btw - libpam-umask |
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| 10:50.05 | mitziyahu | so, how do I make a dir inherit permissions but without +s since i would have some security issues? |
| 10:50.44 | Kamping_Kaiser | ronr, not sure, i just seem to recall seeing stuff about pam and being able to run scripts from it. |
| 10:51.00 | Kamping_Kaiser | a search of 'libpam' doesnt cause anythign to jump out at me :\ |
| 10:51.14 | vlt | Hello. On _every_ boot the system stops after fsck saying "Filesystem is NOT clean". It's always the fs to be mounted to /var. When I run fsck manually everything is fine. Then I reboot (w/o even mounting it) and get the "NOT clean" again. /var is mounted from the cryptdevices-early init skript so that the device is already mounted rw when the fsck runs. Could that be the reason? Any idea how to avaoid this? |
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| 10:53.45 | ronr | Kamping_Kaiser: unfortunately, just setting umask is not enougn, I also want to check if several symlinks exist and make them if not (and in some cases delete them) |
| 10:54.51 | Kamping_Kaiser | :\ |
| 10:55.13 | Kamping_Kaiser | anyone remember the location of the modules blacklists files? |
| 10:55.20 | Kamping_Kaiser | s/blacklists/blacklist |
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| 10:56.30 | Kamping_Kaiser | modprobe.d :) |
| 10:57.01 | Balu | hi all |
| 10:58.43 | Balu | is there a way to make sure that my hdds (raid-controller, onboard) are always loaded in the correct order? During installation the raid disk is sde and the onboard ones sda, ... but after booting the order changes... |
| 11:00.54 | Balu | it got even worse - I had to make grub boot sda, but sde got mounted as / and when I listed its partitions, it was a different disk than the mounted one :-/ |
| 11:01.07 | Balu | weird |
| 11:01.33 | mitziyahu | INHERITED PERMISSIONS HELP HELP |
| 11:02.05 | bytekode | lol |
| 11:02.27 | mitziyahu | seriously i can't find anything that isn't +s and i don't want people to get_root on my machine :p |
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| 11:05.09 | cizra | Hey, does the default initramfs conf support LVM2? |
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| 11:06.01 | dbmoodb | !windows |
| 11:06.01 | dpkg | PCs are like air conditioners, if you open Windows(R) they don't work. |
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| 11:06.23 | robboplus | lol |
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| 11:11.50 | DawnLight | uh great fun! i'm going to try linuxbios |
| 11:13.22 | Enverex | DawnLight, Ah, so you have a board that's actually supported? |
| 11:14.22 | spq | how can i forbid root logins without public key? |
| 11:14.39 | DawnLight | Enverex: abit kn9 ultra. it's mcp55 chipset is supported so i provided them with some dumps and they wrote me a patch |
| 11:15.54 | DawnLight | spq: you can disable PasswordAuthentication, which you really should. it can be brute forced. trust me. |
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| 11:16.50 | spq | this is why im currently spreading my pkey and trying to disable this... |
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| 11:17.05 | spq | but whats with password logins for other users? |
| 11:17.15 | DawnLight | spq: bad security |
| 11:17.35 | spq | why? |
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| 11:17.47 | dbmoodb | !force |
| 11:17.48 | dpkg | [force] a widely known, and not so well documented *cough* redhat /feature/. It's suppose to break.... right? |
| 11:18.16 | spq | if the users can login with ftp and can execute processes over a webinterface - i can open ssh too |
| 11:18.37 | Enverex | Even if you have a long alpha-numerical password and SSH forces a few second pause between each attempt? |
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| 11:19.31 | DawnLight | spq: because gaining shell with user privileges could be used to hurt a system |
| 11:20.01 | DawnLight | Enverex: that and changing the password every login would be secure |
| 11:20.10 | Enverex | No, that would be anal |
| 11:20.14 | cast | PermitRootLogin without-password does something, but might need a later version of sshd than you have |
| 11:20.25 | simonrvn | no, that's called OTP |
| 11:20.39 | DawnLight | Enverex: consider there could be key loggers on the client box |
| 11:20.41 | spq | otp is like tan numbers |
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| 11:21.22 | spq | DawnLight, how can i disable password logins completely? |
| 11:21.46 | DawnLight | spq: 'PasswordAuthentication no' |
| 11:22.18 | Enverex | What's the easiest way to transfer your key from one machine to another and does your username have to be the same for it to work? (on the box you're using, not the one you're logging into Imean) |
| 11:22.22 | DawnLight | spq: make sure you can authenticate with the key before doing that and don't forget to restart sshd |
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| 11:22.33 | krassy | <msg> |
| 11:23.16 | spq | DawnLight, i can login with my key already - i didnt use the pw a long time but another admin did |
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| 11:23.35 | spq | just managed him to create a pkey and setup it ^^ |
| 11:23.36 | DawnLight | Enverex: if you can access via password you can do something like 'ssh-copy-id -i ~/.ssh/id_rsa.pub myusername@myremotebox.com' |
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| 11:24.10 | Haris | Hello people |
| 11:24.18 | Haris | How do I install a package from a .deb I have in ./ |
| 11:24.37 | Haris | dpkg -i file |
| 11:24.54 | DawnLight | Haris: what package is that and... |
| 11:25.03 | DawnLight | !wayttd Haris |
| 11:25.03 | dpkg | What Are You Trying To Do, Haris? |
| 11:25.26 | spq | Enverex, i use plain ssh with a for loop: fo i in <servers>; do ssh <remote_user>@$i "echo '<your pkey>' >> <REMOTE_USER_HOME_DIR>/.ssh/authorized_keys"; done |
| 11:25.46 | Haris | DawnLight: webmin |
| 11:25.51 | Haris | A customer of mine has it on his box |
| 11:25.57 | simonrvn | *headdesk* |
| 11:25.58 | Haris | I need to figure out its config file |
| 11:26.06 | Haris | simonrvn: *ahem* |
| 11:26.18 | Enverex | spq, So I can't just copy and paste the file? I mean assuming my username is the same on each machine. |
| 11:26.20 | Haris | simonrvn: for the record, I don't use it |
| 11:26.47 | spq | the file is just a single line... |
| 11:26.58 | Haris | Are these any security risks for etch ? -> libnet-ssleay-perl libauthen-pam-perl libio-pty-perl libmd5-perl |
| 11:27.16 | Enverex | spq, ahh |
| 11:27.51 | simonrvn | Haris: wasn't necessarily directed at you... ("if the shoe fits...") |
| 11:28.01 | DawnLight | Haris: i wouldn't install this in any of my debians |
| 11:28.17 | bytekode | lol |
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| 11:32.59 | Haris | DawnLight: why so? |
| 11:33.18 | bolt | "Performance of your PC is low due to a file system error. It was caused by the changes malicious software made in your system files and numerous open ports used by spyware to transfer your privacy data. Your personal data safety is in danger." |
| 11:33.20 | bolt | oh noooo |
| 11:34.02 | bolt | "Spyware has stolen your personal information. You can see the contents of the stolen block below." Holy shit, they've got my IP address! |
| 11:34.08 | bolt | jeez |
| 11:34.31 | bolt | apparently, my debian system has data errors on C: and D: |
| 11:34.51 | Haris | C: on debian? Troll!! |
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| 11:35.43 | cast | what kind of silly system uses letters for drives, all drives |
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| 11:39.49 | SpeedyG | hi, I think i've set up a mailserver a few months ago on a vmware image, but am uncertain of that, whats the easiest way to test if it's still working ? |
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| 11:41.53 | DeathWolf | cast: it's called the absurdy that backward compatibility at all costs is. |
| 11:42.11 | DeathWolf | windows could have been using its internal more proper mount points&devices system for long. |
| 11:42.27 | DeathWolf | But no, retards want their letters, so they had ot keep them. |
| 11:43.35 | xur1z | bolt: if i stoled your IP now, they won't have it any more, right? |
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| 11:45.03 | xur1z | is there a simple guide to help me build PHP5.2.5 for etch? |
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| 11:45.34 | xur1z | (i tried the dotdeb version already, but it still segfaults on a perl_regex, so i want to build fresh and test) |
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| 11:59.29 | vlt | Hello. On _every_ boot the system stops after fsck saying "Filesystem is NOT clean". It's always the fs to be mounted to /var. When I run fsck manually everything is fine. Then I reboot (w/o even mounting it) and get the "NOT clean" again. /var is mounted from the cryptdevices-early init skript so that the device is already mounted rw when the fsck runs. Could that be the reason? Any idea how to avaoid this? |
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| 12:07.09 | dutche- | there's any program for linux like Windows DvdShrink |
| 12:07.45 | dunking | Really? |
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| 12:09.12 | dutche- | I need a program that I can resize the dvd, like Dvd Shrink does |
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| 12:10.05 | pingouin_ | dutche-: http://dvdshrink.sourceforge.net/index.html |
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| 12:15.55 | Tobsan | ok i need some help here |
| 12:16.04 | Tobsan | i want to NAT my network etc |
| 12:16.18 | Tobsan | and my connection looks like the following |
| 12:16.42 | Tobsan | internet -> server (which is used as a router) -> switch -> other computers |
| 12:16.48 | Tobsan | how do i set this up? |
| 12:16.53 | cast | ipmasq package perhaps |
| 12:16.56 | ronr | I'm trying to get pam_exec to run a bash script (in common-session as session optional pam_exec.so /full/path/to/my/script the script works fine when executing it manually, but not from pam and the logs don't say anything useful (just that it fails with exit code 1) (I have debug set) |
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| 12:17.24 | DawnLight | Tobsan: you have etch installed on the server? |
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| 12:18.01 | Tobsan | DawnLight: it's a 4.0r0 netinstall |
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| 12:22.24 | sint | hey, i've removed a package and now i want to reinstall it |
| 12:22.46 | sint | but it doesn't build any config files. is there something i can do? |
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| 12:25.20 | wols_ | Tobsan: cast already gave you the solution. also dnsmasq would be a nice addon |
| 12:26.08 | Tobsan | oh |
| 12:26.13 | Tobsan | how does those work? |
| 12:26.27 | Tobsan | i assume i cant just download them and it will all work |
| 12:27.07 | wols_ | it mostly does. only thing you have to manually enable is the dhcp server if you want one by editing /etc/dnsmasq.conf |
| 12:27.35 | Tobsan | ok |
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| 12:27.47 | Tobsan | i guess i have to set up ip-forwarding aswell? |
| 12:28.02 | wols_ | what do you call "ip-forwarding" |
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| 12:28.11 | Tobsan | well |
| 12:28.13 | Tobsan | or |
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| 12:28.24 | Tobsan | does ipmasq set up the forwarding automatically? |
| 12:28.34 | wols_ | forwarding of _what_? |
| 12:28.49 | Tobsan | packets, as the server works both as a server and as a router |
| 12:29.00 | Tobsan | but the routing part is the one i'n asking about :) |
| 12:29.01 | wols_ | that's the job of ipmasq |
| 12:29.04 | Tobsan | nice |
| 12:29.27 | Tobsan | i'll try that |
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| 12:31.06 | spanther | hi there :-) i have a problem i've used a TV usb stick and it was working well but after a power loss cause my mom removed the power cord from my power supply unit accidently the dvb-t functions are disabled i cant watch dvd with kaffeine anymore does somebody know how to fix that? |
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| 12:32.02 | blinQ | hi. i am looking for an easy way to create an exact duplicate of a running debian etch system on another server (via network). (like physically relocating the source systems hdd to the target system). any hints? :-) |
| 12:32.42 | wols_ | blinQ: man dd |
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| 12:33.08 | wols_ | or look at things like mondo |
| 12:33.12 | blinQ | spanther: tried to reboot the system? and leave the stick unplugged for a while? maybe their is still a loaded capacitor and some memory which contains crap. |
| 12:33.31 | spanther | blinQ: uh reboot yes unplugged no |
| 12:33.40 | blinQ | wols_: thanks. i'll have a look. |
| 12:33.40 | sint | what if i add a user and don't give him a password? makes this impossible to log in? |
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| 12:33.58 | spanther | blinQ: i just took it out and then in again without time :-) |
| 12:34.43 | sint | just wanna create a user to run my webserver |
| 12:35.17 | spanther | blinQ: maybe do i have to modprobe a module ? |
| 12:35.27 | wols_ | sint: no. the user can log in without a password then |
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| 12:35.33 | wols_ | and there already is a user for that: www-data |
| 12:35.46 | sint | hm, ok |
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| 12:36.22 | sint | does www-data have a password then? |
| 12:36.29 | wols_ | no |
| 12:36.51 | wols_ | cause this one is made so you can't log in with it, which is how it should be |
| 12:37.09 | sint | ya, like i wanna have it :) |
| 12:37.29 | sint | how to check if a daemon is running as a user or not? |
| 12:38.11 | wols_ | man ps |
| 12:38.34 | wols_ | and why do you want to be able to log in as www-data? it's bad and insecure |
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| 12:39.12 | Techdeck | hey guys, did any of you manage to play .evo files with mplayer or any other media player? |
| 12:39.21 | Techdeck | (.evo for HD) |
| 12:39.33 | sint | wols_: i don't want to, i just want to be sure its not possible. but i wasn't aware of www-data at all. i thought i have to create this user myself |
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| 12:41.52 | ronr | I need to somehow figure out the username of a user logging in in a script called with pam_exec, I would think this would be easy, but I have no idea how to do this (it's run from session and always as root, so whoami or something doesn't work) |
| 12:41.58 | wols_ | sint: unless you explictly did something, a webserver always runs as www-data on debian |
| 12:42.19 | wols_ | ronr: looked at the auth.log? |
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| 12:42.26 | ronr | wols_: yeah |
| 12:42.40 | wols_ | edit the script then |
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| 12:42.43 | ronr | wols_: the username is set there, but I need it in the script |
| 12:43.00 | wols_ | ronr: what is your problem exactly? can you state it more clearly? |
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| 12:43.18 | aisStar | I have few question about Commandbymail exention to Request Tracker (Running Debian 4.0). Is there anybody that have experinces? |
| 12:43.26 | aisStar | how can I install it? |
| 12:43.44 | ronr | wols_: it says session opened for user ron -> calling script /.../.../ I want to have ron in the script somewhere, but it always runs as root and I don't know how to get the username in a variable |
| 12:43.55 | sint | wols_: thanks. seems its running now as it should be |
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| 12:44.49 | wols_ | ronr: how is this script run? as part of what action? |
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| 12:45.56 | ronr | wols_: I'll try to explain a bit more, I want to always run a script that makes some symlinks in a user directory when they login, so I use pam_exec to call a bash script in common-session as session optional pam_exec.so seteuid <script>, now I need to figure out the username (or homedir) of the user who is logging in in the bash script, that last part is the problem, pam_exec will always run the bash script as root |
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| 12:48.06 | Ameng | hi all, anyone knows if can use an usb microphone in ubuntu? and how to？ Thanks |
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| 12:50.06 | Ameng | ???? |
| 12:50.37 | pngwn | Ameng, try #ubuntu |
| 12:50.40 | Tobsan | wols_: seems as ipmasq is just a frontend to iptables |
| 12:52.25 | expose | where do i find an explanation of the letters at the beginning of each output line of aptitude search foo? |
| 12:52.42 | sint | wols_: i found out, that if i run my webserver as www-data, i can't stop it anymore with /etc/init.d/lighttpd stop and if i remove the userbinding in the config it is running as root. but then it starts and stops as it should be |
| 12:52.42 | Ameng | oh, also in debian? |
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| 12:57.09 | cast | expose: man aptitude does list "the most common states..." |
| 12:57.13 | Ameng | hi all, anyone knows if can use an usb microphone in debian? and how to？ Thanks |
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| 12:57.50 | cast | expose: ahh and it also tells you where to find documentation of all possible states |
| 12:58.06 | johndoevodka | can someone help me get my wireless working? |
| 12:58.24 | expose | not in the german version. can you tell me that link cast? |
| 12:58.55 | johndoevodka | im using ndiswrapper, the device is recognized, i can scan for networks but i cant connect :-/ |
| 12:58.58 | cast | hmm |
| 12:59.54 | aisStar | I have few question about Commandbymail exention to Request Tracker (Running Debian 4.0). Is there anybody that have experinces? |
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| 13:00.05 | expose | cast: never mind, i just discovered "man -L us" :-) |
| 13:00.07 | wols_ | !tell aisStar about anyone |
| 13:00.26 | aisStar | my question is. How can I install it? |
| 13:00.33 | wols_ | !tell johndoevodka about errors |
| 13:00.38 | aisStar | because I cant find any installation document |
| 13:00.46 | wols_ | aisStar: is it in debian? |
| 13:00.50 | cast | expose: http://rafb.net/p/4xTrbg89.txt pastebined mine anyway... |
| 13:00.51 | aisStar | Yes |
| 13:00.54 | johndoevodka | wols_: errors? |
| 13:01.12 | wols_ | aisStar: then apt-get it and read its docs |
| 13:01.27 | johndoevodka | wols_: should i post iwconfig and ifconfig and ... ? |
| 13:01.42 | aisStar | wols_ There is no docs in apt-get for Commandbymail |
| 13:01.45 | expose | cast: thanks, i didnt suspect the information to be included in the us version. |
| 13:02.12 | wols_ | aisStar: which package is it? |
| 13:02.22 | aisStar | wols_ maybe you can tell me how? |
| 13:02.28 | aisStar | http://search.cpan.org/~jesse/RT-Extension-CommandByMail-0.05/lib/RT/Extension/CommandByMail.pm |
| 13:02.37 | wols_ | aisStar: cpan.org isn't debian, is it? |
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| 13:02.51 | aisStar | no, it isent |
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| 13:03.06 | aisStar | but it runs on Debian |
| 13:03.31 | wols_ | ask the request-tracker support |
| 13:03.51 | aisStar | any channel you will prefer? |
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| 13:06.45 | johndoevodka | what program should i use for configuring wireless? |
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| 13:07.45 | wols_ | wireless-tools |
| 13:08.47 | Enverex | and Network Manager if you value your sanity |
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| 13:09.48 | thyko | hi all |
| 13:09.54 | wols_ | netowork manager if you like to fight with a stupid program over control of your interfaces file |
| 13:09.59 | Penix | heh |
| 13:10.16 | thyko | what changes /etc/motd? |
| 13:10.18 | johndoevodka | haha |
| 13:10.44 | thyko | i set it to something i wanted, then it changed back to the default on a reboot |
| 13:11.48 | wols_ | !motd |
| 13:11.48 | dpkg | i heard motd is the Message Of The Day, or /etc/motd |
| 13:12.04 | thyko | yeah |
| 13:12.13 | blinQ | wols_: another question concerning my fullbackup issue. i just discovered, that the sourcesystem is a virtual-system (vz) so i have no /proc/partitions.... so mondo wont work.. and dd wont work, too. any additional idea? :-) |
| 13:12.14 | thyko | but something changes it on eboot |
| 13:12.18 | johndoevodka | here is a detailed list of some outputs: http://rafb.net/p/injAbz15.html |
| 13:12.46 | wols_ | blinQ: why wouldn't dd work? |
| 13:12.46 | johndoevodka | thyko: try changing permissions |
| 13:12.53 | wols_ | johndoevodka: don't |
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| 13:13.19 | wols_ | thyko: look at your bootmisc.sh |
| 13:13.40 | blinQ | wols_: because i dont know how to access my partition. i have no idea whats the partitions or even the devices name, because i have no /proc/partitions |
| 13:13.59 | wols_ | blinQ: you have a mount command? |
| 13:14.16 | esquiso | what do you recomend in spite of network manager? |
| 13:14.28 | blinQ | wols_: yes. mount tells me, that / = /dev/vzfs |
| 13:14.36 | wols_ | blinQ: so you know |
| 13:14.49 | blinQ | wols_: i guess you are right ;) |
| 13:15.18 | wols_ | blinQ: since this a vz env, you will probably have to install the bootloader and the proper kernel on your own on the new machine |
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| 13:16.28 | johndoevodka | wols_: here is the output to iwconfig,ifconfig and dmesg http://rafb.net/p/injAbz15.html |
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| 13:17.23 | wols_ | johndoevodka: I stll don't have an error description |
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| 13:18.02 | johndoevodka | wols_: do you know of any detailed guide how to setup wireless? |
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| 13:19.39 | blinQ | wols_: yes. thanks. but one final question. is there anything wrong with just "cat /mydevice > bzip" ? |
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| 13:20.06 | cast | you have ran xfs_freeze or taken a lvm snapshot or mounted /mydevice ro right? |
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| 13:20.49 | cast | [or best just unmounted it :] |
| 13:21.58 | blinQ | wols_: would this work? :-) cat /dev/vzfs | bzip | cat > /backup.bz2 ? |
| 13:22.40 | thyko | wols_: thanks |
| 13:22.58 | blinQ | wols_: damn. getting a permission denied on cat /dev/vzfs :-/ |
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| 13:24.30 | blinQ | cast: but howto restore then? |
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| 13:24.45 | cast | extract it? |
| 13:25.04 | blinQ | cast: aren't i am missing all the boot stuff etc. then? |
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| 13:26.09 | wols_ | blinQ: since it's a VZ, you will always miss that. no way around it |
| 13:26.22 | wols_ | use cp -a |
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| 13:27.16 | blinQ | wols_: so basically i just "tar -cf /backup.tar /" and then extract on the target system, install grub and a kernel... ? (b.t.w. do i have to tell tar that it skips /backup.tar) ? :-) |
| 13:27.18 | kastro | hello :) |
| 13:27.23 | kastro | does anyone here use eclipse? |
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| 13:28.42 | kastro | im having a problem with eclipse 3.3+ on debian |
| 13:29.03 | kastro | is there anyone here who used eclipse and has had any problems? |
| 13:29.04 | DawnLight | should all detected ide hdd's be listed in /proc/ide/ ? |
| 13:29.16 | Penix | kastro: tried #eclipse? |
| 13:29.40 | kastro | thanks Penix, i was actually after a debian user who hsa tried his version |
| 13:29.47 | kastro | ill try #eclipse |
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| 13:31.16 | wols_ | !tell kastro about anyone |
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| 13:32.40 | johndoevodka | !anyone |
| 13:32.40 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone uses <someprogram>. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use <someprogram>?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls> |
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| 13:36.08 | Penix | !fruitsmite PCI |
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| 13:38.11 | kastro | If i haev GCj installed and i install the sun-gre |
| 13:38.14 | kastro | sun-jre |
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| 13:38.24 | kastro | how di i choose which java to run a aplication with |
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| 13:40.25 | stew | kastro: update-alternatives --config java |
| 13:40.33 | kastro | thanks :D |
| 13:40.45 | kastro | :D sweeet |
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| 13:43.23 | DustyBin | if one has web accessable stuff inside /var/www should the user and group of ALL those files be www-data ? |
| 13:44.13 | DustyBin | would it be a security risk to leave web accessable files as root user and group? |
| 13:44.19 | cast | the httpd has to be able to read them, so you can make them world readable - they don't have to owned by www-data |
| 13:44.37 | cast | it would not |
| 13:44.44 | DustyBin | ok |
| 13:45.12 | wols_ | just don't make them world writable |
| 13:45.22 | DustyBin | if a web application got exploited on my system, does that mean the hacker would only have access to www-data ? |
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| 13:45.31 | wols_ | in fact, if possible it's best to chown them to anothe user and make them not writable by www-data |
| 13:45.49 | wols_ | only if he doesn't fine a local priviliedge escalation. often they do |
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| 13:46.01 | DustyBin | ok |
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| 13:47.08 | DustyBin | because im running vserver, im thinking about setting up a guest just for apache |
| 13:47.21 | cast | if you're really concerned about security use something like thttpd with no cgi :) |
| 13:47.28 | DustyBin | but i need to find out if i can run clients away from the servers on it |
| 13:48.02 | DustyBin | ive already setup a guest just for mail |
| 13:48.37 | DustyBin | web server guest, mail server guest, ssh guest, and all the other servers what dont run internet services on the host |
| 13:48.51 | bahadunn | some webapps have files and directories that must be writable by www-data |
| 13:49.05 | bahadunn | if not they will not work properly |
| 13:49.06 | DustyBin | ok |
| 13:49.36 | bahadunn | it is a security risk |
| 13:49.56 | wols_ | DustyBin: mailservers need root access. same for ssh |
| 13:50.02 | wols_ | even http does |
| 13:50.06 | DustyBin | the root host account on my system is the most sensitive, if somone manages to get root access on that, that means they could access all my vservers, so that means i wont run any internet services on the host, only local LAN stuff |
| 13:50.27 | wols_ | and usually they all ahve a special role account which can't be used to login and has no shell or ~ already on debian |
| 13:50.30 | bahadunn | DustyBin: have you been hacked in the past? |
| 13:50.32 | DustyBin | wols_: my mail server runs as a vserver guest virtual machine |
| 13:50.35 | wols_ | so what are you trying to do exaclty? |
| 13:50.37 | DustyBin | bahadunn: no |
| 13:50.42 | bahadunn | DustyBin: why so paranoid? |
| 13:50.55 | wols_ | how does your mailserver open port 25? |
| 13:51.01 | DustyBin | not paranoid, just making my system safe |
| 13:51.06 | DustyBin | wols_: yes |
| 13:51.07 | bahadunn | DustyBin: if someone hacks your server as a normal user they may be able to get root through some kernel vulnerability or such |
| 13:51.33 | bahadunn | DustyBin: if you have someone trying to hack your server who knows what they are doing and has the time and energy to put into it you will get hacked |
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| 13:51.48 | DustyBin | bahadunn: thanks for the positive input :D |
| 13:52.00 | bahadunn | DustyBin: you need to follow good security practises and then try not to worry about it |
| 13:52.13 | DustyBin | bahadunn: thats what im doing |
| 13:52.13 | bahadunn | DustyBin: and back up your data |
| 13:52.16 | DustyBin | i do |
| 13:52.18 | DawnLight | is there something like gparted in text-mode? not command-line, but a fullscreen application |
| 13:52.33 | bahadunn | DustyBin: do you eliminate services you do not need? |
| 13:52.33 | DustyBin | wols_: i run postfix |
| 13:52.37 | DustyBin | aye |
| 13:52.40 | wols_ | DustyBin: so? |
| 13:52.44 | bahadunn | DustyBin: why run portmapper if you dont need it right? |
| 13:52.48 | DustyBin | that opens port 25? |
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| 13:53.00 | wols_ | DustyBin: and it has to be root to do that |
| 13:53.10 | bahadunn | DustyBin: do you install auditing software and watch your network with snort? |
| 13:53.10 | DustyBin | yes, root on the guest, not the host |
| 13:53.11 | cast | DawnLight: cfdisk does partitioning |
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| 13:53.24 | bahadunn | DustyBin: do you use host based intrusion detection like aide? |
| 13:53.28 | DustyBin | bahadunn: im in the process of building a pfsense firewall box |
| 13:53.34 | wols_ | DustyBin: the port has to opened with root. there is no special guest port 25 |
| 13:53.41 | bahadunn | DustyBin: all those are things that you can do to watch yourself and keep your servers tight |
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| 13:54.12 | DustyBin | wols_: each vserver on my back, has its own IP and you can open and close what ports you want, depending on what services you run on it |
| 13:54.14 | cast | containing things in vservers sounds like a good idea to me |
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| 13:55.13 | bahadunn | DustyBin: postfix drops root privledges once it binds to port 25 |
| 13:55.23 | DustyBin | postfix can also be chrooted |
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| 13:55.36 | wols_ | postfix already is chrooted in debian |
| 13:55.47 | wols_ | but what IP does your vserver have and what your host? |
| 13:55.50 | DustyBin | http://linux-vserver.org <-- this is what i use, have a read. debian etch alrady has the vserver kernels ready to use |
| 13:55.51 | cast | anyone know if root in a vserver can break out of it? |
| 13:55.59 | wols_ | cause in the end, all traffic goes through the host |
| 13:56.04 | bahadunn | seems like the master process does not drop root |
| 13:56.22 | bahadunn | but yes it is chrooted |
| 13:56.35 | Jyzygzel- | anyone remember name of that flash game where you get to fuck the ragdoll with nukes n shit like that |
| 13:56.49 | wols_ | cast: considering it's a single kernel... |
| 13:56.57 | DustyBin | wols_: i can ping the vserver guests, ie. 192.168.0.[10-13] |
| 13:57.22 | DustyBin | i can ssh into the vserver guests |
| 13:57.32 | DustyBin | they act and run just like seperate machines |
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| 13:57.59 | bahadunn | DustyBin: say someone hacks one of your guests. If they know what they are doing and have the skills they can break into your master host |
| 13:58.00 | wols_ | so does all other VM software too. and each one had exploits before |
| 13:58.13 | DustyBin | im not sure how easy or hard a vserver guest would be for a hacker to break out of, but i think its more secure than a normal chroot |
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| 13:58.35 | cast | certainly, breaking out of a normal chroot is trivial |
| 13:58.36 | wols_ | bahadunn: who cares. usually whoever breaks into something only wants the internet connection for his betnet to do his nefarious deeds. mission already accomplished |
| 13:58.50 | wols_ | all he does is multiplying the surfaces he can be attacked on |
| 13:58.51 | bahadunn | DustyBin: virtual machines are not some magic way to secure yourself from being hacked |
| 13:58.57 | bahadunn | wols_: yes thats true too |
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| 13:59.42 | DustyBin | its not just security, it keeps things nice and tidy too, all my mail shit on the mail guest, all my home security stuff on another guest and so on |
| 14:00.22 | DustyBin | i see it as a advanced chroot system, with the added benefit of assigning IP addresses to them |
| 14:00.54 | bahadunn | DustyBin: I am not saying do not use virtual machines either. Just that you should not let virtual machines give you a false sense of security |
| 14:01.14 | bahadunn | DustyBin: you are only as secure as the services you run |
| 14:01.32 | DustyBin | aye true, there are lots of things to think about when security is concerned, thats why im in the process of building a freebsd pfsense firewall :D |
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| 14:02.04 | DustyBin | your only as secure as the services you run but more secure if you run those services away from the host OS.. |
| 14:02.13 | wols_ | that will never protect you from broken services |
| 14:02.27 | wols_ | cause the firewall ahs to let the traffic for those through or they won't work |
| 14:02.39 | DustyBin | aye true |
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| 14:03.14 | DustyBin | but thats all part of the fun, hacking / cracking is a part of how things move forward |
| 14:03.22 | DustyBin | (not that i do it) |
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| 14:03.24 | cast | so you're using a moonwall based which is based on freebsd which is using pf ripped from openbsd to do all the work, seems a long winded way to go to use pf :D |
| 14:03.42 | DustyBin | if there was no such thing as a hacker/cracker we would still be using debian woody and windows 96 |
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| 14:05.22 | cast | thats the silliest thing you're said all night :\ |
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| 14:05.43 | wols_ | cast: which in itself is no mean feat |
| 14:06.05 | ttf | hi.. is it a good choice to use ftp.de.d.o as the server for experimental? I noticed that f.d.o. is outdated (at least the packages file) |
| 14:06.44 | simon__ | dpkg: I love you. You stop me from looking like a fool by asking stupid questions publicly. |
| 14:07.23 | Rickk | hi, is it possible to prevent users from seeing others processes with top and ps, how so? |
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| 14:09.57 | stew | Rickk: yes, with a kernel patched with grsecurity |
| 14:11.18 | simon__ | Rickk: A little paranoid? Gone are the days of ITS :( |
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| 14:12.26 | xand | Rickk: don't think that's possible |
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| 14:12.32 | xand | (I may be wrong) |
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| 14:14.30 | bahadunn | simon__: ITS? |
| 14:14.48 | ttf | what is the main server for experimental? |
| 14:16.12 | simon__ | bahadunn: google it. it's the OS made by MIT way back before unix. The way it was done is what inspired rms to start the FSF |
| 14:16.26 | bahadunn | simon__: ah ok |
| 14:16.29 | simon__ | bahadunn: Incompatible Timesharing System |
| 14:17.03 | stew | ttf: what do you mean by "main server"? |
| 14:17.38 | ttf | stew: the one which pushes to the mirrors |
| 14:17.47 | stew | ttf: ftp-master.debian.org |
| 14:18.34 | ttf | stew: k - thanks |
| 14:18.49 | stew | i can't imagine how that is useful though |
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| 14:20.41 | RichiH | i must find a way to fake not having Qt installed when running debhelper |
| 14:21.02 | stew | RichiH: equivs? |
| 14:21.16 | RichiH | http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=441975 is biting my in the proverbial ass |
| 14:21.23 | RichiH | me* |
| 14:21.47 | RichiH | stew: no, i mean debhelper must be prevented from doing use QT; |
| 14:22.55 | RichiH | stew: it is a rather strange and icky bug, to say the least |
| 14:25.00 | stew | RichiH: did you look at #443753 ? |
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| 14:25.35 | Techdeck | hey guys, did any of you manage to play .evo files with mplayer or any other media player? |
| 14:25.35 | Techdeck | (.evo for HD) |
| 14:26.13 | RichiH | stew: that was the bug i was searching for in parallel |
| 14:26.26 | RichiH | joey did not reference the bug number in his cross reference |
| 14:26.32 | RichiH | bad joey |
| 14:27.16 | simon__ | How do you restart daemons, (eg sshd, privoxy) after you change their config file? I don't want to have to restart for the changes to take effect. |
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| 14:29.03 | cast | run /etc/init.d/name and it'll give you some options, like reload/restart/force-reload maybe |
| 14:29.32 | cast | where name is the service in question |
| 14:29.40 | simon__ | cast: Thanks muchly |
| 14:29.59 | K|NgGh0sT | Hello, was wondering how I can change my sound device to the proper card, for some reason its thinking its Intel HDA when it should be Realtek ALC880 |
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| 14:30.41 | cast | i'd try running alsaconf, but i don't know the right answer :) |
| 14:30.43 | stew | all init scripts really should support force-reload as it is required by LSB, but unfortunately we aren't there yet. 'reload' is only a 'should' for LSB compliance |
| 14:30.46 | simon__ | K|NgGh0sT: alsaconf? modprobe? |
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| 14:32.17 | jelly | K|NgGh0sT: that is the proper card, most probably. Your ALC880 codec is hidden behind the HDA interface |
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| 14:33.23 | K|NgGh0sT | alsaconf worked, thanks |
| 14:33.35 | Enverex | What's the command in unrealircd to global op yourself/ |
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| 14:34.34 | RichiH | stew: following the description in 443753, i just broke my whole system :) |
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| 14:35.24 | RichiH | oh, well lemme fix it |
| 14:35.38 | jelly | RichiH: dialog frontend doesn't work for you?! |
| 14:35.53 | cast | Enverex: strange, i can't find that in debian |
| 14:36.01 | RichiH | jelly: i used to have dialog, i went down to readline |
| 14:36.02 | K|NgGh0sT | Argh, the sound is really quiet though |
| 14:36.06 | RichiH | jelly: neither works |
| 14:36.14 | jelly | RichiH: funky! |
| 14:36.28 | jelly | there's always noninteractive ;-) |
| 14:37.23 | jelly | K|NgGh0sT: run alsamixer, turn the volume on (Master or Front) and PCM up |
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| 14:39.07 | K|NgGh0sT | thanks again, now time to get beryl working |
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| 14:39.23 | chops | jelly: What's the worst that could happen? :-) |
| 14:39.56 | themill | chops: think Redhat 4.2.... |
| 14:39.58 | themill | heh |
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| 14:41.20 | up365 | K|NgGh0sT, I tried to catch you y'day, I use etch/beryl/nvidia from here http://lunapark6.com/debian-40-etch.html works fine |
| 14:41.38 | jelly | chops: I have a couple of static shells installed... won't make the same mistake thrice ;-) |
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| 14:43.24 | jelly | curse them experimental packages for building with sid libraries. curse me for being lazy enough not to rebuild. |
| 14:43.44 | Techdeck | :\ |
| 14:44.23 | jelly | esquiso: ncurses, even! |
| 14:44.32 | esquiso | lol |
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| 14:45.10 | K|NgGh0sT | up365, I'll give it ago, right now trying to reverse the effects of the stupid install script from the beryl forums |
| 14:45.18 | Ameng | hi all, anyone knows if can use an usb microphone in debian? and how to？ Thanks |
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| 14:46.30 | up365 | K|NgGh0sT, yeah once you get all that purged, try those directions nice step by step |
| 14:46.51 | dotCOMmie | Anyone know a good channel to inquire about linux software raid? |
| 14:46.56 | SpeedyG | hi, i'm fiddling a bit with ssh port-forwarding, is it possible if i've got port 80 on machine X, forwarded to machine Y:3000, to make machine Y:3000 available to all other machines in Y's network ? |
| 14:47.12 | Penix | Ameng: yes. you can. if it's not completely retarded |
| 14:47.25 | K|NgGh0sT | up365, basically right now, only issue is that for some reason that script makes kwrite laugh at startup with a beryl load script |
| 14:47.54 | Penix | Ameng: some appear as an additional sound card device. point audacity or something at it |
| 14:48.35 | up365 | K|NgGh0sT, I'm using gnome but I believe there is a kde step included on that page |
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| 14:49.56 | SpeedyG | anyone? |
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| 14:51.23 | jelly | SpeedyG: short answer: yes, rtfm. short and more useful answer: -G (and also "GatewayPorts yes" in Y's sshd_config) |
| 14:51.57 | SpeedyG | jelly: thanks :) because rtfm'ing isnt very useful if you don't know what things to look for in them imo ;) |
| 14:52.14 | jelly | it's somewhere around the forwarding bits ;-) |
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| 14:52.59 | wols_ | jelly: why so complicated? |
| 14:53.10 | jelly | SpeedyG: oh and it's not ssh -G but ssh -g |
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| 14:53.53 | beered | Is it possible to count number of files in a tar archive? |
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| 14:54.33 | wols_ | jelly: I just tell ssh to listen on which interfaces and make it the LAN interface and not localhsot as it is by default |
| 14:55.22 | wols_ | beered: tar -tvf <tarfile> |wc -l |
| 14:55.30 | wols_ | will count directories too tho |
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| 14:56.08 | psycodad_ | is it possible, that a username starting with an underscore, i.e. _mymail is not working in debian ?? |
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| 14:56.39 | jelly | wols_: eh, "ssh -g -R 3000:localhost:80 Y" vs. "ssh -R Y:3000:localhost:80 Y" ... I think the former is shorter |
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| 14:57.12 | DeathWolf | . |
| 14:57.23 | SpeedyG | hm, neither works tho :( |
| 14:57.39 | jelly | SpeedyG: you restarted sshd? |
| 14:57.55 | K|NgGh0sT | up365, that's pretty much the same as I did earlier |
| 14:58.01 | K|NgGh0sT | up365, beryl still crashes |
| 14:58.17 | harpal | I have installed dnsmasq for dhcpserver and dns forwarder, Can I have some log information about dhcp server has assigned which ip and how many ips are used? |
| 14:58.24 | jelly | SpeedyG: to activate changes in sshd_config, you need to at least reload it I think |
| 14:59.00 | up365 | K|NgGh0sT, what about your nvidia driver ? what card and what driver are you using ? |
| 14:59.25 | K|NgGh0sT | Nvidia Go 6600, and the nv driver |
| 15:00.13 | streuner | nv doesnt support 3D |
| 15:00.53 | SpeedyG | jelly: hm, seems I had a little error in the sshd_config ;) |
| 15:00.55 | SpeedyG | now it works :) |
| 15:00.59 | SpeedyG | (oh, and I did restart it ;) ) |
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| 15:01.22 | streuner | http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers |
| 15:01.32 | K|NgGh0sT | I'll do the nvidia oneliner then |
| 15:01.50 | streuner | read wili.d.o first |
| 15:02.00 | streuner | read wiki.d.o first |
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| 15:02.38 | streuner | you will need it unless you running stable |
| 15:02.59 | K|NgGh0sT | am runnin stable |
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| 15:03.01 | up365 | K|NgGh0sT, and if you know what nvidia driver ver , I'm using 1.0-9639 with a 6800gt |
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| 15:04.08 | streuner | !nvidia installer sucks |
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| 15:04.18 | streuner | !listkeys installer |
| 15:04.20 | dpkg | Factoid search of 'installer' by key (12 of 32): #debian nvidia installer ;; #debian-bots nvidia-installer ;; _default installers ;; _default nvidia installer ;; _default nvidia-installer ;; _default why nvidia-installer sucks ;; cmd: nvidia-installersmite (.*?) ;; debian installer ;; debian-installer ;; debian-installer-howto ;; etch installer ;; installer blacklist. |
| 15:04.33 | streuner | !why nvidia-installer sucks |
| 15:04.33 | dpkg | nvidia-installer works fine for you today, granted. Let's say tomorrow XFree86 is updated. nVidia will break. If you try to uninstall nvidia (nvidia-installer --uninstall), then you break XFree86 badly. nvidia-installer overwrites files at random, and has NO CONCEPT of package management. USE THE DEBIAN PACKAGES. |
| 15:04.57 | K|NgGh0sT | ya, I had nvidia installer issues when I built my HTPC |
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| 15:05.37 | abrotman | maybe we should change that to say Xorg :) |
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| 15:05.44 | streuner | hehe, true |
| 15:06.49 | streuner | dpkg, no why nvida-installer sucks is <reply> nvidia-installer works fine for you today, granted. Let's say tomorrow Xorg is updated. nVidia will break. If you try to uninstall nvidia (nvidia-installer --uninstall), then you break Xorg badly. nvidia-installer overwrites files at random, and has NO CONCEPT of package management. USE THE DEBIAN PACKAGES. |
| 15:06.49 | dpkg | okay, streuner |
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| 15:08.07 | jelly | -ETOOMUCHYELLING |
| 15:08.13 | wols_ | streuner: how does the uninstall break xorg? |
| 15:08.21 | Nyle | streuner: you ever sleep |
| 15:08.36 | wols_ | Nyle: catnaps at the keyboard |
| 15:08.38 | streuner | wols_: no idea... |
| 15:08.48 | hackeron_ | I get the following when trying to startx or login throuh gdm: Gtk-WARNING **: This process is currently running setuid or setgid. This is not supported use of GTK+ .... Refusing to initialize GTK+ -- any ideas what's going wrong? |
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| 15:08.53 | abrotman | wols_: i think it removes GL files |
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| 15:09.47 | wols_ | could be |
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| 15:09.57 | snyder | hi |
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| 15:10.06 | simon__ | That nvidia installer is pretty evil :( it broke my computer. |
| 15:10.18 | cast | oh, howso? |
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| 15:10.40 | spal | simon__: what do you mean by it broke your computer? |
| 15:10.49 | simon__ | it broke my X. FOrtunately, I had /home on a separate partition, and my ISP mirrors debian. |
| 15:10.53 | K|NgGh0sT | note to self, don't use monitor autodetect |
| 15:10.55 | streuner | wols_: Author directhex|work <~jms@dhcpa6.comlab.ox.ac.uk> |
| 15:11.16 | cast | simon__: you know it backs up your xorg config right, a simple mv would have fixed it |
| 15:11.38 | simon__ | and then, in the process of trying to fix X, I broke just about everything else. (which I blame nvidia for) |
| 15:11.47 | spal | simon__: it's still not very clear. are you asking for help? if so, please tell us what is the error message it prints on starting gnome, kde or X? |
| 15:11.53 | up365 | K|NgGh0sT, in your etc/X11/xorg.conf file - Section "Device" Driver should be "nvidia" not nv |
| 15:11.58 | snyder | does anybody know sth about QoS on 3com switches? There is a Service Level 2-7; and here is my question: is 7 the biggest priority/performance or the lowest? i suppose it's the best one, but I would like to be sure |
| 15:12.10 | simon__ | spal: No, not asking for help. Just trying to warn people away from nvidia-installer |
| 15:12.25 | snyder | and I can't find it in 3com docs |
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| 15:12.32 | abrotman | #networking |
| 15:12.41 | snyder | abrotman: ok, thx |
| 15:12.47 | spal | simon__: ok! I use the .run script from Nvidia website. works fine for me. |
| 15:13.02 | K|NgGh0sT | up365, ya I just fixxed that |
| 15:13.03 | wols_ | abrotman: what if that switch runs debian? |
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| 15:13.31 | K|NgGh0sT | up365, lets see if it crashes |
| 15:13.35 | abrotman | wols_: it's a 3com switch |
| 15:13.42 | K|NgGh0sT | brb |
| 15:14.13 | wols_ | so you know what 3com uses for a switch OS? |
| 15:14.55 | azeem | wols_: so you are sure they run Debian? |
| 15:14.56 | snyder | wols_: ;) |
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| 15:15.14 | azeem | *and* let the users have control over it? |
| 15:15.20 | SpeedyG | jelly: thanks :) can get my school assignment done now at least :) |
| 15:15.36 | wols_ | azeem: no. I asked "what if" |
| 15:15.39 | K|NgGh0sT | up365, Well, at elast Beryl-Manager runs now |
| 15:16.00 | streuner | !congratulate K|NgGh0sT |
| 15:16.00 | dpkg | Good show K|NgGh0sT, you did it! |
| 15:16.03 | up365 | K|NgGh0sT, great |
| 15:16.06 | azeem | wols_: I think it's easier to assume not, and let us be convinced in the exotic case that they are |
| 15:16.18 | hackeron_ | Anyone? - I get the following in .xsession-errors and X dies when I startx or login throuh gdm: Gtk-WARNING **: This process is currently running setuid or setgid. This is not supported use of GTK+ .... Refusing to initialize GTK+ |
| 15:16.35 | K|NgGh0sT | up365, cept, I'm not noticing any differnce heh |
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| 15:16.40 | simon__ | K|NgGh0sT: Now, play with the scale plugin and realise it's all you'll ever need. |
| 15:16.41 | azeem | hackeron_: pastebin your .xsession |
| 15:16.42 | azeem | !pastebin |
| 15:16.43 | dpkg | Please don't paste anything into the channel; use a paste site instead, like: http://paste.lisp.org or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://pastebin.ca/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. --- Also ask me: <pastebin pipe> |
| 15:16.43 | wols_ | hackeron_: this is not #ubuntu. go back there |
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| 15:16.58 | up365 | K|NgGh0sT, what no cube wobbly windows ? |
| 15:17.03 | K|NgGh0sT | no |
| 15:17.52 | hackeron_ | wols_: no, you're right, this is #debian, very observent |
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| 15:18.05 | up365 | K|NgGh0sT, even after enabling the effects ? What about Emerald got that ? |
| 15:18.05 | wols_ | hackeron_: and you run ubuntu |
| 15:18.11 | hackeron_ | wols_: proove it |
| 15:18.37 | K|NgGh0sT | up365, , when I try to select Beryl as the window manager it appears to crash and reverts back to Metacity |
| 15:18.37 | wols_ | the fact that ask you asked the same questiona s here for half an hour in #ubuntu is proof enough me thinks |
| 15:18.48 | abrotman | hackeron_: dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1 |
| 15:18.50 | hackeron_ | azeem: it's difficult from the console, after the refusing to initialize GTK+ it basically throws a bunch of errors not being able to use gtk and quits |
| 15:19.03 | azeem | hackeron_: then transcribe it |
| 15:19.09 | azeem | hackeron_: or is your ~/.xsession long? |
| 15:19.11 | SpeedyG | wols_: thats no proof, i've asked my ssh port-forward question also in totally debian-unrelated channels ;) |
| 15:19.23 | hackeron_ | azeem: quite long |
| 15:19.24 | up365 | K|NgGh0sT, what is that nvidia driver version ? |
| 15:19.39 | K|NgGh0sT | up365, syntax to check? |
| 15:19.41 | stew | hackeron_: can you upload it with a text browser? http://pastebin.ca/upload.php is one place you could upload it |
| 15:20.03 | streuner | He is an old changeling, that would test for me enough :-= |
| 15:20.16 | azeem | hackeron_: so remove one line after the other if you can't bother to give us the information, and see when it starts working |
| 15:20.25 | hackeron_ | stew: other than the gtk setuid setgid error, it's just connection refused message when X is killed |
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| 15:20.52 | up365 | K|NgGh0sT, /usr/bin/nvidia-settings |
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| 15:21.08 | vadmeste | hi, how can I get the source package of telnetd !! |
| 15:21.13 | hackeron_ | azeem: ok, refusing to initialize gtk+... nautilus: Fatal IO connection reset on X server 0:0 |
| 15:21.17 | streuner | !pdo |
| 15:21.17 | dpkg | http://packages.debian.org/ - here you can search for debian packages and their contents. Pretty Damned Obvious, isn't it?, or http://people.debian.org/, in some contexts. Maybe even http://planet.debian.org/ |
| 15:21.32 | azeem | hackeron_: I'm talking about ~/.xsession, not ~/.xsession-errors |
| 15:21.36 | azeem | hackeron_: please pay attention |
| 15:21.53 | hackeron_ | azeem: there is not .xsession |
| 15:21.53 | stew | vadmeste: apt-get source telnetd |
| 15:21.57 | azeem | hackeron_: then say that |
| 15:21.59 | K|NgGh0sT | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:22.00 | K|NgGh0sT | er |
| 15:22.04 | K|NgGh0sT | ERROR: NV-CONTROL extension not found on this Display |
| 15:22.05 | hackeron_ | azeem: sorry, there's no .xsession |
| 15:22.08 | azeem | hackeron_: what session do you start from gdm |
| 15:22.10 | azeem | hackeron_: you said that |
| 15:22.14 | hackeron_ | azeem: gnome |
| 15:22.31 | azeem | hackeron_: what does dpkg -l gnome-desktop | tail -1 say? |
| 15:23.16 | streuner | !test |
| 15:23.17 | dpkg | Test Failed. |
| 15:23.34 | hackeron_ | azeem: gnome-desktop-data |
| 15:24.02 | azeem | hackeron_: huh? |
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| 15:24.17 | vadmeste | stew : thanks but i need some address source in my sources.list |
| 15:24.24 | up365 | K|NgGh0sT, I used the nvidia installer and it setup a gui for the program, I don't know how to call up the nvidia ver thru terminal join#compiz-fusion |
| 15:24.26 | K|NgGh0sT | up365, I have to run to class. I'll be back in two hours |
| 15:24.51 | wols_ | azeem: gnome-destkop is no package |
| 15:24.57 | streuner | knusper:/home/user# apt-cache show gnome-desktop |
| 15:24.57 | streuner | war: Kann Paket gnome-desktop nicht finden |
| 15:25.02 | azeem | hrm |
| 15:25.12 | wols_ | azeem: gnome-desktop-environment is |
| 15:25.13 | up365 | K|NgGh0sT, ok see you in compiz-fusion they know nvidia there |
| 15:25.17 | wols_ | but then, it'S ubuntu, so who knows? |
| 15:25.28 | azeem | hackeron_: sorry, I meant "dpkg -l gnome-session | tail -1" |
| 15:25.51 | stew | vadmeste: duplicate a "deb" line that contains "main" and change "deb" to "deb-src" |
| 15:26.26 | Nyle | Good Morning |
| 15:26.37 | jelly | Nyle: good afternoon ;-) |
| 15:26.48 | Nyle | hey buddy |
| 15:26.57 | Nyle | 10:30am here |
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| 15:27.24 | jelly | Nyle: and 4:30pm here |
| 15:27.30 | Nyle | jelly: where are you? |
| 15:27.45 | jelly | GMT+1, also called CET |
| 15:27.47 | stew | how is it possible that the festival daemon is one of my largest consumers of memory |
| 15:27.58 | Nyle | 6 hour ahead, I would guess, central europe? |
| 15:27.59 | abrotman | stew: it talks a lot? |
| 15:28.03 | stew | oh |
| 15:28.14 | Nyle | you are about +1 GMT eh? |
| 15:28.28 | abrotman | does it keep everything in all your screens ready for speaking? |
| 15:29.08 | Nyle | you can't be more than 15-30 degrees lat from greenwich |
| 15:29.15 | Nyle | i need to bake, have fun |
| 15:29.25 | spal | Nyle: shouldn't that be longitude? |
| 15:29.29 | Nyle | should it |
| 15:29.31 | stew | i dunno what it does. i only ever ask it to speak 4 or 5 sentences for reminders a dozen or so times a week |
| 15:29.33 | Nyle | i always confuse the two |
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| 15:29.44 | stew | vadmeste: /msg dpkg mirrors |
| 15:29.47 | Nyle | from north to south is long or lat? |
| 15:29.56 | spal | north to south is lat |
| 15:30.00 | Nyle | ah |
| 15:30.02 | Nyle | ok then |
| 15:30.04 | Nyle | thanks |
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| 15:30.19 | abrotman | f-lat-itude |
| 15:30.23 | stew | latitude lines run like rungs of a ladder |
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| 15:30.42 | Nyle | yeh so every 15 degrees longitude you have 1 hour diff |
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| 15:31.36 | Nyle | 15*24=360 |
| 15:31.55 | Nyle | i remembered something from middle school |
| 15:31.58 | Nyle | yay |
| 15:32.09 | stew | and how many radians is that |
| 15:32.18 | Nyle | oh boy |
| 15:32.21 | Nyle | no clue man |
| 15:32.22 | spal | 2 * pi |
| 15:32.29 | Nyle | i sucked at math |
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| 15:33.09 | jelly | Nyle: bomb my employer! http://maps.google.com/maps/mm?ie=UTF8&hl=en&ll=45.799666,15.957395&spn=0.005408,0.008658&t=h&z=17&om=1 |
| 15:33.15 | Nyle | jelly: yo |
| 15:33.21 | Nyle | why would you ask _ME_ to bomb? |
| 15:33.27 | Nyle | couldn't you have asked someone else? |
| 15:33.35 | jelly | Nyle: you asked where I was... |
| 15:33.38 | Nyle | just because my mom is arab doen' t mean I'm a terrorist |
| 15:33.40 | Nyle | wtf |
| 15:33.47 | jelly | Nyle: touchy! |
| 15:33.48 | Nyle | oh |
| 15:33.49 | wols_ | Nyle: not everyone in here can claim insanity |
| 15:33.58 | Nyle | jelly: oh my bad man |
| 15:34.09 | Nyle | im sorry i've been fucked with a lot in the states cuz of that |
| 15:34.13 | Nyle | im edgy my bad |
| 15:34.22 | Nyle | I should know you at least of all people won't mean that |
| 15:34.36 | snacky | group hug! |
| 15:34.39 | vlt | Hello. On _every_ boot the system stops after fsck saying "Filesystem is NOT clean". It's always the fs to be mounted to /var. When I run fsck manually everything is fine. Then I reboot (w/o even mounting it) and get the "NOT clean" again. /var is mounted from the cryptdevices-early init skript so that the device is already mounted rw when the fsck runs. Could that be the reason? Any idea how to avaoid this? |
| 15:35.21 | jelly | vlt: so, did you fsck /var or something else? |
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| 15:37.42 | jelly | Nyle: eh, now it has been forever written into irc logs and I'm going to regret that line in a couple of years when the blue guyz come aknockin on my door |
| 15:38.04 | Nyle | jelly: hehe |
| 15:38.08 | vlt | jelly: When the boot process stops ("give root pw or Ctrl+D ...") I do an fsck on the unmounted device. Then I shutdown. Next reboot is the same: "Filesystem is NOT clean" ... |
| 15:38.15 | Nyle | jelly: ahh cali eh |
| 15:38.16 | Nyle | nice |
| 15:38.22 | xoz | vlt: show us /etc/fstab in pastebin |
| 15:38.44 | snacky | jelly: also, you're now going to have to start arriving at the airport even earlier than before |
| 15:38.54 | Nyle | what exactly does fsck do? |
| 15:39.01 | Nyle | I know its a file system integrity check |
| 15:39.21 | Nyle | no nm it doesn't do hardware scan |
| 15:39.28 | Nyle | thats badblocks |
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| 15:39.56 | hackeron_ | azeem: hey, sorry, kernel paniced -- I took a PCI tv capture card and now I can log into gnome, weird |
| 15:40.14 | hackeron_ | azeem: took out a PCI tv capture card that is |
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| 15:41.23 | delor | how to get 'tranmission-gtk' from Sid repository when useing Lenny? |
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| 15:41.49 | wols_ | !tell delor about simple sid backport |
| 15:42.37 | vlt | xoz, jelly: http://rafb.net/p/AjQhg428.html |
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| 15:43.36 | vlt | xoz: And in /etc/default/cryptdisks: CRYPTDISKS_MOUNT="/var" |
| 15:43.47 | streuner | hackeron_: cat /proc/version |
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| 15:45.50 | hackeron_ | streuner: 2.6.23.9 |
| 15:45.50 | vlt | xoz: the `fsck` I run calls `reiserfsck` (or whatever its name is) automatically |
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| 15:46.22 | streuner | hm, 2.6.23 isnt in Debian, that was 2 weeks ago, did that change? |
| 15:46.39 | azeem | 2.6.23.9 is obviously self-compiled |
| 15:47.03 | streuner | hm, IRQ could be the problem then |
| 15:47.08 | vlt | xoz: I already tar'ed all files from /var, re-formatted the device and untar'ed the files. No difference. |
| 15:47.45 | hackeron_ | streuner: yeah, could be, I'll try playing with bios |
| 15:48.06 | streuner | hackeron_: unless some PCI cards use the same IRQ you have a problem |
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| 15:48.55 | vlt | xoz: So there's a completely fresh fs. I'd rather suspect some (literally) odd return value when trying to check the already mounted filesystem ... (???) |
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| 15:49.10 | xoz | vlt: what about make the last field 0 instead of 2 in the /etc/fstab? or don't use reisesrfs by using ext3 and see if the problem is still there |
| 15:49.32 | hackeron_ | streuner: it's the only PCI card, there's just 1 other PCI express card - do PCI and PCI express share IRQs? |
| 15:49.41 | vlt | xoz: What doe the last two fields mean, btw? |
| 15:49.50 | vlt | do* |
| 15:50.01 | xoz | vlt: the last one is to enable fsck... 0 means skip |
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| 15:52.00 | streuner | hackeron_: cat /proc/interrupts |
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| 15:54.49 | anurudda | I have a z60m IBM running debian sid. Can someone tell me how can I enable wireless? I have installed the modules etc... |
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| 15:57.07 | xoz | anurudda: http://laic.u-clermont1.fr/~mr/linux/configreseau_en.html |
| 15:57.20 | wols_ | !tell anurudda about thinkwiki |
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| 15:58.30 | K|NgGh0sT | well looks like i'm not going to class, my car can't get out the drive way, stupid 2 feet of snow last night |
| 15:58.45 | Nyle | here it wasn't that bad |
| 15:58.50 | Nyle | so i gotta go to work today |
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| 15:59.06 | geodesic | isn't there a debian package for ggv? |
| 15:59.09 | xoz | anurudda: http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/401 |
| 15:59.11 | K|NgGh0sT | Today is the last day of classes == exam hints |
| 15:59.25 | Nyle | you better fin da way to go |
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| 15:59.55 | K|NgGh0sT | theres no way possible, class starts in 10 mins, I live 25 mins from school |
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| 16:00.18 | Nyle | well the thing is |
| 16:00.26 | Nyle | if you wanted to go, you'd find a way |
| 16:00.39 | K|NgGh0sT | by the time I get there, class is over |
| 16:00.48 | K|NgGh0sT | and that only leaves one other class, that i'm ready for ;) |
| 16:00.55 | K|NgGh0sT | so back to getting beryl working |
| 16:00.59 | anurudda | xoz: I can't get my wireless led blinking... that is my problem |
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| 16:01.19 | xoz | anurudda: you should know first the driver for your wireless |
| 16:01.27 | bahadunn | Nyle: maybe it is not a good idea for him to go out |
| 16:01.27 | wols_ | anurudda: ifconfig -a. does the WLAN NIC show there? |
| 16:01.28 | anurudda | ipw2200 |
| 16:01.40 | anurudda | wols_: yes |
| 16:01.48 | GhostlyDeath | well adonthell was a disappointment |
| 16:01.51 | K|NgGh0sT | heh I can't even get my ipw2200 working |
| 16:01.54 | bahadunn | K|NgGh0sT: is class worth your life so to speak? |
| 16:02.14 | K|NgGh0sT | no, i'll just mail the prof |
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| 16:02.17 | K|NgGh0sT | he should understand |
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| 16:03.04 | anurudda | is there a command to poweron wireless adaptor? |
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| 16:03.35 | K|NgGh0sT | up365, you around? |
| 16:03.46 | wols_ | anurudda: do you have your wlan configured in /etc/network/interfaces or somewhere else? |
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| 16:03.57 | D-32 | hiho |
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| 16:04.20 | xoz | anurudda: ifconfig <wireless> up |
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| 16:04.28 | wols_ | xoz: no |
| 16:04.30 | gamag | what is a good bitorrent client available in debian and what is the package name? |
| 16:04.35 | |V\oNK | hello |
| 16:04.41 | wols_ | anurudda: if you have configured it: ifup <interface name |
| 16:04.46 | snacky | gamag: rtorrent |
| 16:04.50 | wols_ | !tell gamag about search |
| 16:05.04 | anurudda | wols_:I'm not sure |
| 16:05.09 | anurudda | how can i check? |
| 16:05.18 | wols_ | anurudda: don't you know what you did? |
| 16:05.20 | D-32 | got a problem, internet is extremy slooow under debian (etch), using any brwowser, downloading is the same o.O - i ahd the problem loong ago under suse, i had to cahnge soemthing on the dhcp (not sure) settings |
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| 16:05.34 | stew | anurudda: which driver are you using? |
| 16:05.40 | wols_ | D-32: ping google.com |
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| 16:05.57 | GhostlyDeath | In Epiphany: "It is unsafe to open “index.shtml†as it could potentially damage your documents or invade your privacy. You can download it instead.", is there a way to bypass this and open SHTML files anyway? |
| 16:05.59 | D-32 | 64 bytes from eh-in-f99.google.com (72.14.207.99): icmp_seq=2 ttl=242 time=118 ms |
| 16:06.02 | anurudda | ipw2200 |
| 16:06.08 | Yggdrasil | hello, im working on a little script that downloads and compiles a cvs. i want to make a backup of the current folder before it gets cvs'd . How do i copy to a new folder and append the d ate and time to theend of the new folder name? |
| 16:06.10 | gamag | wols_: i can search but I am asking the opinion. I am a newbie in bittorrent adn I have used gnome bittorrent client so far. what would be a good thing to try next |
| 16:06.12 | stew | anurudda: did you install firmware to /lib/firmware ? |
| 16:06.17 | anurudda | yes |
| 16:06.19 | anurudda | I did |
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| 16:06.35 | |V\oNK | does anyone know why the RX/TX counters get reset in ifconfig ? the highest # i have seen is 3.9GB. I run an NFS server and i am sure the counter gets reset. does anyone know why? or where i can stop this? |
| 16:06.39 | D-32 | @wols_ thats nothing spezial :S |
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| 16:06.54 | stew | anurudda: does it display anything about your wireless when you run "iwconfig"? |
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| 16:07.11 | |V\oNK | check dmesg too anurudda |
| 16:07.12 | wols_ | |V\oNK: 32bit ifconfig can only count to 4billion (4G) |
| 16:07.17 | |V\oNK | i have ipw2200 also |
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| 16:07.47 | anurudda | stew: yes. My eth3 is wireless adaptor and it says that it is not associated and my wireless LED on lap is off |
| 16:08.00 | |V\oNK | wols_: is there a way to keep a running tally ? |
| 16:08.04 | stew | anurudda: is your radio kill switch on? |
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| 16:08.12 | anurudda | stew |
| 16:08.14 | si|ent | hey - anyone know of Debian Etch packages for the latest Cacti and |
| 16:08.14 | anurudda | yes |
| 16:08.15 | si|ent | +Cacti-spine? |
| 16:08.16 | stew | anurudda: you should have a hardware switch somewhere to the left of your bellybutton |
| 16:08.22 | wols_ | maybe with things like ipac-ng |
| 16:08.33 | anurudda | stew: it is on |
| 16:08.39 | rbd | hey guys, I am trying to purge a package that has a bad prerm script (so it can't be purged)...any ideas how to skip dpkg trying to run this script... something like this isn't working: dpkg --purge --force-remove-reinstreq mypackage |
| 16:08.52 | |V\oNK | si|ent: apt-cache search cacti |
| 16:08.53 | anurudda | but wireless LED is not switching on |
| 16:09.14 | stew | anurudda: can you run "modprobe -r ipw2200 ; modprobe ipw2200 ; dmesg | tail" and show us the output: use a pastebin: /msg dpkg pastebin |
| 16:09.15 | anurudda | is there a way to manually power it on? |
| 16:09.19 | anurudda | ok |
| 16:09.20 | anurudda | wait |
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| 16:09.38 | si|ent | V\oNk: i was looking for the latest release - 0.8.7a not 0.8.6 |
| 16:10.09 | wols_ | !tell si|ent about backports |
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| 16:10.22 | wols_ | si|ent: if there is no cacti there you have to backport it from sid or lenny yourself |
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| 16:10.45 | anurudda | stew: did u get it? |
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| 16:10.53 | si|ent | ah, cheers wols_, just wondered if someone had saved me the troubel :) |
| 16:10.53 | stew | anurudda: no. what? |
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| 16:11.12 | anurudda | may i paste the output here then? |
| 16:11.21 | wols_ | !paste |
| 16:11.22 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 3 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://channels.debian.net/paste/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. |
| 16:11.42 | stew | anurudda: where did you paste it? don't paste it here |
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| 16:12.33 | anurudda | stew: where u said above |
| 16:12.38 | jirka_prace | hello all |
| 16:12.46 | anurudda | msg dpkg something |
| 16:12.47 | wols_ | anurudda: you have to tell us the URL |
| 16:13.35 | jirka_prace | is it possible to determine what process uses swap space and how much? |
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| 16:15.12 | anurudda | I'm little confused! |
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| 16:15.20 | anurudda | how can I paste? and give a url |
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| 16:16.14 | stew | anurudda: go to http://paste.debian.net/ ; paste your output in the big box, and hit "send". it will redirect you to a new url. give us that new url |
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| 16:16.26 | Taa5i | Has anyone here had success using a wireless usb network device with the rt73 driver? I tried compiling it yesterday from rt2x00.serialmonkey.com and the make failed. |
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| 16:17.03 | stew | Taa5i: what does "uname -r" say? |
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| 16:17.33 | Taa5i | stew: 2.6.23-1-686, it's a brand new install as of last night. |
| 16:18.05 | anurudda | stew: thanks!! http://paste.debian.net/44071 |
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| 16:18.11 | stew | Taa5i: did you try using m-a to compile the rt73 drivers that debian provides? |
| 16:18.56 | Taa5i | stew: I've tried searching with apt for anything related to rt73 and couldn't find anything. All the guides I found pointed to the serialmonkey project |
| 16:18.57 | stew | anurudda: that all looks fine. what happens when you try to associate with an AP? |
| 16:19.07 | stew | !info rt73-source |
| 16:19.08 | anurudda | how can I do that? |
| 16:19.10 | dpkg | rt73-source: (RT73(RT2571W) Wireless Lan Linux Driver - kernel module sources), section contrib/net, is extra. Version: 1:1.0.3.6-cvs20071123-dfsg1-2 (sid), Packaged size: 233 kB, Installed size: 292 kB |
| 16:19.26 | anurudda | i did iwconfig eth3 essid Infinity key ffffffffff open |
| 16:19.28 | anurudda | is that ok |
| 16:19.35 | stew | Taa5i: its in contrib. try adding a contrib source and running "m-a a-i rt73" |
| 16:19.50 | stew | Taa5i: uhh, after you run "aptitude install module-assistant && m-a prepare" |
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| 16:20.40 | stew | anurudda: perhaps you need to specify a channel? i don't know what "open" is doing there. can you show us the output of iwconfig after trying to associate? |
| 16:20.57 | anurudda | stew: sure gimme a min |
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| 16:21.44 | anurudda | stew: http://paste.debian.net/44072 |
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| 16:22.28 | harpal | I have installed dnsmasq for dhcpserver and dns forwarder, Can I have some log information about dhcp server has assigned which ip and how many ips are used? |
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| 16:22.50 | stew | anurudda: do you see any APs when you run "iwlist scan"? |
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| 16:26.59 | skyfalcon866 | is this normal for ext3/ |
| 16:27.16 | skyfalcon866 | Fedora-8-i386-DVD.iso: 17858 extents found, perfection would be 28 extents |
| 16:27.21 | anurudda | stew: thanks a lot... My ESSID was incorrect |
| 16:27.26 | anurudda | that was the problem |
| 16:27.48 | anurudda | stew: thanks again! IRC rocks!! :) |
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| 16:30.13 | madclicker | hi, how can i see what process is sitting on port 80 |
| 16:30.14 | madclicker | ? |
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| 16:30.33 | cahoot | lsof -i? |
| 16:30.45 | stew | madclicker: /msg dpkg open ports |
| 16:31.15 | madclicker | lsof|grep www |
| 16:31.33 | madclicker | kool |
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| 16:36.02 | Taa5i | stew: I have a source for contrib and just updated again to check, but it does not find any package named rt73-source |
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| 16:36.34 | Taa5i | This is on Etch btw |
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| 16:37.04 | stew | Taa5i: oh, its currently in unstable only, you can download it here: http://http.us.debian.org/debian/pool/contrib/r/rt73/rt73-source_1.0.3.6-cvs20071123-dfsg1-2_all.deb then install it with "dpkg -i rt73-source_1.0.3.6-cvs20071123-dfsg1-2_all.deb" then run "m-a a-i rt73" |
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| 16:37.14 | gileswwwrk | elo debheads |
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| 16:37.21 | gileswwwrk | i've been a wally |
| 16:37.47 | gileswwwrk | somehow i've broken apt so it thinks it wants a newer version of libc6 |
| 16:37.56 | stew | gileswwwrk: show us the actual command you typed and the actual output, use a pastebin: /msg dpkg pastebin |
| 16:37.58 | abrotman | you mixed versions of debian |
| 16:38.06 | gileswwwrk | ya |
| 16:38.13 | abrotman | don't do that .. it hurts |
| 16:38.58 | gileswwwrk | i'll paste some details |
| 16:39.06 | gileswwwrk | pastie rather |
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| 16:39.40 | stew | gileswwwrk: i'd recommend running aptitude, forbid the new libc6 (by hitting F on the specific version you want to forbid), then fix any broken packages by typing "/~b<enter>" to seach for a broken package, hitting enter on it, and trying to satisfy the broken dependencies |
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| 16:40.09 | Bushmills | http://forthfreak.net/snap/1196699977.png |
| 16:40.20 | gileswwwrk | okies stew I'll try that |
| 16:40.34 | hoxu | gileswwwrk, stew, 'b' should jump to next broken package as well |
| 16:41.07 | stew | oh, good to know |
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| 16:41.43 | stew | b does nothing on my machine :P |
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| 16:42.14 | hoxu | stew, weird, do you have "Find Broken" in the Search-menu? |
| 16:42.17 | wide_awake | Hello. |
| 16:42.34 | stew | hoxu: (i don't have any broken packages) |
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| 16:42.58 | hoxu | stew, well, it's there even if you don't have any... I guess that's a new feature in sid version or something |
| 16:43.11 | wide_awake | I've got a server with time-skew problems. Odd thing is, it's running openntp, so it should be fixing itself. Anyone have any pointers where to start looking? |
| 16:43.51 | stew | hoxu: yes, its there. and listed in the help. i was just laughing at myself for not understanding why it wasn't doing anything, but i don't have any broken packages, so it does nothing. |
| 16:43.59 | Taa5i | stew: Would it be better to just install Unstable and not futz around with pulling contribs from other branches? |
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| 16:44.06 | stew | Taa5i: no |
| 16:44.12 | wide_awake | The other thing is that if I run "ntpdate" using the same servers in the openntp config, it corrects the time as expected. |
| 16:44.15 | hoxu | stew, ah :) |
| 16:44.25 | ^Timo^ | Hi folks |
| 16:44.27 | |V\oNK | wide_awake: syslogd |
| 16:44.28 | ^Timo^ | i got a problem |
| 16:44.29 | ^Timo^ | http://pastebin.ca/804608 |
| 16:44.30 | stew | Taa5i: and in general, you woulnd't want to pull debs from other releases, but this one is just source code, so it is safe |
| 16:44.36 | ^Timo^ | anyone knows what to do ? |
| 16:44.52 | |V\oNK | wide_awake: also manualy run the ntp client and see what happens |
| 16:45.03 | aurel42 | Hi there... Can anyone suggest a way to sleep for less than a whole second with Debian's bash? ("sleep 0.5" seems to be supported in Bash >5.0, not in the Bash 3.1 release I have on etch) |
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| 16:46.05 | Bushmills | aurel42: bash 3.1 here - sleep 0.5 works |
| 16:46.10 | dkr | is there a suer level usleep, perhaps? |
| 16:46.24 | ^Timo^ | anyone ? |
| 16:46.27 | stew | aurel42: sleep isn't a shell builtin, so it shouldn't have anything to do with the bash version |
| 16:46.42 | Bushmills | aurel42: also worked in 2.05 |
| 16:46.46 | aurel42 | Bushmills: thanks, you are correct. |
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| 16:47.08 | aurel42 | Bushmills: I must've done something wrong when testing it earlier. SORRZ!!!!1!!!ONE!ELEVEN!! |
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| 16:47.51 | hoxu | ^Timo^, does not look like a debian-specific problem, more like a compilation problem of something you didn't disclose, also try describing the problem a bit and not just linking to pastebin, that way you might actually get people to check it out |
| 16:48.20 | dkr | ^Timo^: a install libreadline-dev |
| 16:48.25 | Taa5i | stew: sudo m-a a-i rt73 returns "installation of the rt73 source failed." Ideas? |
| 16:48.45 | dkr | aptitude install that is. a is my alias for aptitude. :) |
| 16:48.54 | Taa5i | ooh :p |
| 16:48.57 | wide_awake | |V\oNK: How do you manually run ntp? |
| 16:49.06 | Bushmills | sleep from coreutils 5.97, btw |
| 16:49.07 | stew | Taa5i: show us the build log, which should be somewher in /var/cache/modass or /var/log/modass or /var/lib/modass (i dont' remember which) |
| 16:49.14 | stew | Taa5i: did "m-a prepare" succeed? |
| 16:49.31 | stew | ^Timo^: what are you trying to compile? |
| 16:49.32 | dkr | wide_awake: ntpdate is the program to force an update I think |
| 16:49.54 | wide_awake | ok, I've run ntpdate, and it does what you would expect. |
| 16:50.15 | wide_awake | it just starts getting skewed again almost immediately. |
| 16:50.38 | HardDisk_WP | does anyone know a key combo to unlock hidden overclock features in phoenix bios? |
| 16:50.40 | dkr | broken hardware, perhaps |
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| 16:50.57 | dkr | HardDisk_WP: google does |
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| 16:52.20 | wide_awake | there's nothing about ntp in syslog... |
| 16:53.12 | dkr | reboot into bios and watch clock there for abit to if it skews |
| 16:53.14 | nicolas | Hi. Is there any way to run oowriter on two displays at the same time? I've got a ssh running but when I launch it, it only runs in the launching pc (IE: I run oowriter in pc1, then oowriter in pc2, pc1 ends up with two oowriter) |
| 16:53.17 | dkr | to see |
| 16:53.36 | wide_awake | dkr, I don't have that luxury... |
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| 16:53.45 | cahoot | wide_awake: I had this problem on a nforce2 mobo - was related to broken bios |
| 16:54.03 | dkr | wide_awake: you could acheive similar by fetching bios time with hwclock |
| 16:54.09 | wide_awake | it's a production server and is hosted in a data centre a few hours a day. |
| 16:54.14 | wide_awake | ok |
| 16:54.46 | gileswwwrk | uh oh |
| 16:54.48 | gileswwwrk | http://pastebin.com/m112ee9dc |
| 16:55.13 | gileswwwrk | looks like it's already upgraded libc on this box |
| 16:55.20 | stew | gileswwwrk: /msg dpkg sarge->etch |
| 16:55.28 | gileswwwrk | although the system still seems to be running |
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| 16:56.36 | abrotman | gileswwwrk: problem box not running sarge anymore :) |
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| 16:57.08 | wide_awake | weird. |
| 16:57.27 | gileswwwrk | but the only changed package is libc |
| 16:57.29 | wide_awake | hwclock shows a time that's half hour fast. `date` shows a time that's 5 minutes slow. |
| 16:57.35 | abrotman | wide_awake: you can have a drift file |
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| 16:57.40 | stew | gileswwwrk: what are you actually trying to do? |
| 16:57.52 | wide_awake | abrotman: what does that do? |
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| 16:57.54 | Taa5i | stew: /var/cache/modass has a bunch of .version files and a description file, /var/log/modass and /var/lib/modass don't exist |
| 16:57.57 | ZeNN | while compiling asterisk i've got this error: error: expected declaration specifiers or '...' before 'capget'. Also 'header' and 'dataptr' give errors |
| 16:58.01 | gileswwwrk | downgrade to the sarge libc6 |
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| 16:58.22 | gileswwwrk | i'm checking all the packages and they match the sarge version |
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| 16:58.31 | gileswwwrk | god knows how I broke it |
| 16:58.44 | gileswwwrk | i think i did a apt-get install -t unstable summat |
| 16:58.45 | stew | gileswwwrk: does "apt-cache policy lib6" show the sarge version as an available version? |
| 16:58.47 | ZeNN | while googling i've installed libcap2 and libcap2-dev, which didnt work. Anyone know what would solve this error ? |
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| 16:58.58 | ts_ | how am I able to prevent linux from writing to my ntfs windows disk?.. Just incase I DD over it, for example. Thanks |
| 16:59.17 | gileswwwrk | oo yes |
| 16:59.22 | wide_awake | ts_: chmod -r? |
| 16:59.33 | stew | gileswwwrk: aptitude install libc6=version |
| 16:59.36 | gileswwwrk | http://pastebin.com/m55ff16f5 |
| 16:59.37 | wide_awake | err, -rw |
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| 16:59.48 | wols_ | ZeNN: tell us the real error. not paraphrasing |
| 16:59.50 | ts_ | wide_awake: and how do i do this chmod -r thing? |
| 17:00.08 | wols_ | wide_awake: how is chmod helping against an accidental dd? |
| 17:00.09 | b0ha | hello, im having problems with connecting to wireless network |
| 17:00.20 | hoxu | ts_, disregard that, I suggest you mount it readonly, not sure what you can do about dd'ing the device though |
| 17:00.25 | wols_ | ts_: you cannot do what you want |
| 17:00.36 | b0ha | i have intel 3945 wireless network card |
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| 17:00.54 | ZeNN | wols: http://pastebin.com/d154b6b5a |
| 17:01.06 | ianm_ | during apt-get update: W: GPG error: http://non-us.debian.org stable/non-US Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY F1D53D8C4F368D5D |
| 17:01.06 | nicolas | Is there any way to run oowriter on two displays at the same time? I've got a ssh running but when I launch it, it only runs in the launching pc (IE: I run oowriter in pc1, then oowriter in pc2, pc1 ends up with two oowriter) |
| 17:01.23 | abrotman | ianm_: non-us is dead |
| 17:01.26 | stew | ianm_: forget non-US, its no longer needed |
| 17:01.37 | abrotman | wide_awake: the ntp man page covers this |
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| 17:01.48 | wide_awake | abrotman: check. |
| 17:01.52 | wols_ | ZeNN: looks like the wrong gcc version |
| 17:02.09 | ZeNN | so downgrade gcc to 3.1 |
| 17:02.10 | stew | ts_: you'd want to change the permissions on the /dev entry to not be writable. in order to do this persistently, you are going to have to do it with udev, but adding soem rule to /etc/udev/rules.d |
| 17:02.20 | Taa5i | stew: Got it, I think. m-a auto-install rt73-source |
| 17:02.46 | ianm_ | abrotman, stew: so I should switch my sources file? hmm no idea why it's set to that anyway (the server is in the US) |
| 17:02.46 | ZeNN | errr....gcc-3.3 |
| 17:03.00 | wols_ | 18:01 < wols_> ts_: what version of ubuntu do you run? 18:02 < ts_> wols_: 7.10 |
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| 17:03.07 | wols_ | ZeNN: what debian version is this? sarge? |
| 17:03.22 | wols_ | ZeNN: more likely you should upgrade imho |
| 17:03.44 | ianm_ | ok I removed those two lines which were dupes of US ones |
| 17:04.08 | gileswwwrk | nice 1 stew that did the trick |
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| 17:04.24 | ts_ | wols_: stew I guess the only way is literally taking the hard drive out |
| 17:04.48 | ZeNN | wols: etch |
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| 17:05.29 | stew | ts_: that's the safest way, but i don't see why what I'm suggesting wouldn't work as well |
| 17:05.33 | wols_ | ZeNN: isn't asterisk already in etch? |
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| 17:06.12 | simmerz | where do I change the default root user $PATH ? |
| 17:06.18 | ZeNN | wols: yes, but need to compile it from source since i'm using vstuff isdn drivers |
| 17:06.33 | wols_ | ZeNN: apt-get source asterisk |
| 17:06.53 | wols_ | simmerz: /root has some files. one of them sets $PATH |
| 17:07.12 | ZeNN | wols: the asterisk 1.2 source also in apt ? |
| 17:07.54 | stew | simmerz: /etc/profile or /root/.profile or perhaps /root/.bash_profile : http://wiki.debian.org/DotFiles |
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| 17:08.01 | garaguas | hi, i'm using iceweasel 2.0.0.8 in a debian testing, and i having problems to see the formulas in wikipedia |
| 17:08.15 | garaguas | but the problem seems to be only with spanish pages |
| 17:08.32 | garaguas | for example http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eigenvalue%2C_eigenvector_and_eigenspace no problems here |
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| 17:08.48 | garaguas | but here http://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vector_propio_y_valor_propio i see $ \mathbf{A} \mathbf{v} = c \mathbf{v}, $ in the first formula |
| 17:08.52 | sint | hey, is there some kind of cool sftp commandline tool? don't wanna use sftp itself |
| 17:09.04 | wols_ | !info asterisk |
| 17:09.06 | dpkg | asterisk: (Open Source Private Branch Exchange (PBX)), section comm, is optional. Version: 1:1.4.13~dfsg-1 (sid), Packaged size: 2152 kB, Installed size: 5628 kB |
| 17:09.13 | zstars | Anyone knows how to get apt-get to work on GHC6 (glasgow haskell compiler)? It seems to be failing with unmet dependencies |
| 17:09.22 | simmerz | stew: wols_: it was in /etc/login.defs |
| 17:10.01 | chops | zstars: What version of Debian are you running? Can you pastebin the apt-get output? |
| 17:10.08 | chops | zstars: (As well as your sources.list) |
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| 17:10.37 | mbroeker | garaguas, check your character encoding in iceweasel. |
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| 17:10.59 | stew | sint: lftp? |
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| 17:11.50 | sint | stew: thanks. looks cool :) |
| 17:12.39 | Taa5i | stew: Gets up to ld: /usr/src/modules/rt73/rtusb_io.o: No such file: No such file or directory then errors out |
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| 17:13.50 | gileswwwrk | wondering if any of you have the misfortune of having to admin RHEL boxes as well as debian.. |
| 17:14.00 | gileswwwrk | I'm trying to get logcheck working with it |
| 17:14.14 | garaguas | mbroeker: how can i do that? |
| 17:14.24 | K|NgGh0sT | I was installing nvidia drivers, and now when I rebooted my res is a lot smaller, not sure why. here is my Xorg.0.log http://pastebin.ca/804646 it says the screen res should be the 1680x1050 |
| 17:14.32 | gileswwwrk | problem is the logfiles are only readable by root and there isn't an adm group |
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| 17:15.14 | stew | gileswwwrk: ask #redhat |
| 17:15.25 | Kobaz | what's the thing to disable syslog messages going to the consolew |
| 17:15.29 | stew | Taa5i: i dunno then. sorry |
| 17:15.33 | zstars | Sorry took me a while, this is it, can't pastebin because it's in a VM, link to screenshot: http://i9.tinypic.com/6uoawxc.jpg |
| 17:15.43 | zstars | Think I am missing some source? |
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| 17:16.46 | chops | zstars: You have sarge installed, but security updates from etch |
| 17:16.51 | chops | zstars: That's going to be problematic :-) |
| 17:17.02 | zstars | oh |
| 17:17.04 | mbroeker | garaguas, click View->Character-Encoding and set Automatic to Universal and on top to Unicode(UTF-8) |
| 17:17.14 | zstars | How would I fix that? :( |
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| 17:17.46 | stew | zstars: what happens when you run "aptitude install libreadline5-dev"? |
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| 17:18.42 | mbroeker | garaguas, that works for me and displays both wiki pages correctly. |
| 17:18.49 | asBook | is there an pcmcia sound card? does that exists? because my sound is really crappy |
| 17:19.01 | K|NgGh0sT | Hello, I'm currently using the NVIDIA X Driver 1.0-8776 and basically according to Compiz it's too old. Whats the newest version I can get, and how do I get it? |
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| 17:19.22 | stew | asBook: usb sound cards are easy enough to find and use |
| 17:19.31 | asBook | yea, but pcmcia? |
| 17:19.35 | zstars | Looks like it starts to search, then says no solution found within the alloted time :) |
| 17:19.38 | zstars | I mean :( |
| 17:19.51 | garaguas | thank you mbroeker, but still fails |
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| 17:20.07 | stew | zstars: can you show us the output of "apt-cache policy libreadline5-dev" ? |
| 17:20.10 | chops | zstars: Which version of Debian are you running? I asked you that already. Can you pastebin the output of 'apt-cache policy libc6'? |
| 17:20.38 | zstars | Oh sorry, stupid question, how do I check the version? |
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| 17:20.56 | stew | zstars: apt-cache policy libc6 |
| 17:21.21 | wols_ | K|NgGh0sT: what debian version |
| 17:21.31 | K|NgGh0sT | Etch |
| 17:21.33 | mbroeker | garaguas, thats not my fault. |
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| 17:21.44 | wols_ | since you run 8776, I guess etch. in this case you need to backport 96xx or later from sid |
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| 17:22.16 | ferent | when I execute wc -l /home/task |
| 17:22.24 | ferent | it returns 645 /home/task |
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| 17:22.46 | zstars | Here, apt-cache policy libc6: http://i13.tinypic.com/8aa65w6.jpg |
| 17:22.48 | ferent | somebody know how can I obtain only the lines |
| 17:22.49 | gileswwwrk | stew: it's dead in there.. |
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| 17:22.56 | ferent | without the directory' |
| 17:22.57 | ferent | ? |
| 17:23.06 | stew | gileswwwrk: call your customer support representitive |
| 17:23.20 | gileswwwrk | lols you sound like my boss |
| 17:23.26 | K|NgGh0sT | wols_, how do I do so? |
| 17:23.27 | wols_ | zstars: update to proper etch. you run a testing version of etch |
| 17:23.37 | K|NgGh0sT | wols_, would switching to lenny help? |
| 17:23.40 | wols_ | !tell K|NgGh0sT about simple sid backport |
| 17:23.46 | stew | zstars: can you show us the output of "apt-cache policy libreadline5-dev" ? |
| 17:23.50 | wols_ | lenny right now has no nvidia drivers afaik |
| 17:23.57 | zstars | Is there an easy to way to do that, or do I gotta reinstall? |
| 17:23.59 | wols_ | but the backport you still need would be slightly easier |
| 17:24.01 | zstars | Yeah sec |
| 17:24.09 | stew | zstars: you certainly don't have to reinstall |
| 17:24.21 | wols_ | zstars: a dist-upgrade should suffice |
| 17:24.44 | wols_ | naybed editing sources.list beforehand |
| 17:25.07 | stew | ferent: "wc -l /home/task | cut -d ' ' -f1" or "wc -l /home/task | awk '{print $1}'" |
| 17:25.53 | ferent | stew: thanks!! |
| 17:26.09 | zstars | Nice, how do I know the URLs of the right sources though? |
| 17:26.16 | stew | zstars: /msg dpkg sources.list |
| 17:26.25 | zstars | ty |
| 17:26.36 | zstars | btw the apt-cache of libreadline5-dev: http://i6.tinypic.com/6pfo685.jpg |
| 17:26.50 | stew | zstars: you can probably just change your 'sarge' source to say 'etch' |
| 17:27.05 | chops | zstars: What stew said |
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| 17:27.30 | stew | zstars: then aptitude update ; aptitude upgrade ; then you should find things working better |
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| 17:29.18 | zstars | Nice gonna try that |
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| 17:30.01 | K|NgGh0sT | wols_, there are so many packages to nvidia do I, apt-get build-dep nvidia-kernel-2.6-`uname -r; apt-get build-dep sed 's,.*-,,g'` nvidia-settings nvidia-glx; apt-get -b source nvidia-kernel-2.6-`uname -r; apt-get -b source nvidia-glx; ? |
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| 17:30.27 | valdyn | K|NgGh0sT: no, you got that wrong |
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| 17:30.32 | wols_ | K|NgGh0sT: nvidia-graphics-driver. the source package |
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| 17:30.49 | valdyn | K|NgGh0sT: most of those packages are from the same source, compiling one compiles all, except the kernel driver modules |
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| 17:31.20 | valdyn | K|NgGh0sT: ... which isnt built like that. |
| 17:31.28 | wols_ | valdyn: there is only one nvidia source package: nvidia-graphics-driver. and it does compile the kernel drivers |
| 17:31.50 | valdyn | wols_: umm? |
| 17:32.00 | valdyn | wols_: creates just a nvidia-kernel-source, i thought |
| 17:32.56 | K|NgGh0sT | apt-get build-dep nvidia-graphics-driver;apt-get -b source nvidia-graphics-driver; |
| 17:32.58 | K|NgGh0sT | like that? |
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| 17:33.32 | valdyn | K|NgGh0sT: yea |
| 17:33.57 | garaguas | mbroeker: the problem was with my preferences in wikipedia :) |
| 17:34.01 | garaguas | sorry |
| 17:34.07 | ts_ | How do I dd a harddrve, but only extract the cloned partition? |
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| 17:34.25 | valdyn | ts_: dd takes offsets |
| 17:34.25 | K|NgGh0sT | apt-get build-dep nvidia-graphics-driver;apt-get -b source nvidia-graphics-driver; |
| 17:34.31 | wols_ | ts_: you're wrong here since you run ubuntu |
| 17:34.44 | ts_ | wols_: debian does not have a different version of dd |
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| 17:34.55 | valdyn | ts_: read the manpage |
| 17:34.59 | ts_ | valdyn: what do you mean offsets? |
| 17:35.12 | wols_ | ts_: we only support debian, not ubuntu. so please ask #ubuntu |
| 17:35.14 | valdyn | ts_: wikipedia knows what an offset is i bet |
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| 17:35.55 | K|NgGh0sT | er |
| 17:36.04 | K|NgGh0sT | wols_, E: Unable to find a source package for nvidia-graphics-driver |
| 17:36.15 | chops | ts_: If you just want one partition, then do 'dd if=/dev/hda1' (or whatever) instead of 'dd if=/dev/hda' |
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| 17:36.26 | ts_ | thanks chops |
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| 17:36.28 | wols_ | K|NgGh0sT: are you getting the package from sid? |
| 17:36.48 | K|NgGh0sT | I added sid to sources.list |
| 17:37.01 | valdyn | K|NgGh0sT: source packages are only found if you have a deb-src line in /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 17:37.01 | K|NgGh0sT | do I need to comment out all my etch? |
| 17:37.04 | wols_ | sid sources? non-free? |
| 17:37.08 | wols_ | K|NgGh0sT: no |
| 17:37.22 | K|NgGh0sT | deb-src http://debian.yorku.ca/debian/ sid main contrib non-free |
| 17:37.25 | K|NgGh0sT | Thats what I have |
| 17:37.41 | valdyn | K|NgGh0sT: apt-get update |
| 17:37.46 | K|NgGh0sT | I did |
| 17:37.52 | wols_ | K|NgGh0sT: http://packages.debian.org/source/sid/nvidia-graphics-drivers |
| 17:38.05 | valdyn | K|NgGh0sT: apt-get -b source nvidia-glx |
| 17:38.06 | wols_ | K|NgGh0sT: wrong spelling |
| 17:38.13 | valdyn | or that |
| 17:38.21 | wols_ | K|NgGh0sT: what nvidia chip/card do you have? |
| 17:38.31 | K|NgGh0sT | Nvidia 6600 Mobile |
| 17:38.42 | wols_ | k. then the 104 driver is the right one |
| 17:38.50 | wols_ | 100.14 rather |
| 17:39.33 | wols_ | K|NgGh0sT: if you simply get the package and try to build it you will get a problem with the etch libc version btw |
| 17:39.50 | wols_ | you need to edit the version number in its deps fist |
| 17:39.50 | wols_ | *first |
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| 17:40.03 | valdyn | wols_: is that dep not autogenerated? |
| 17:40.08 | valdyn | wols_: on build time? |
| 17:40.20 | wols_ | valdyn: no. it wants 2.6.1 of libc6 |
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| 17:40.26 | valdyn | I see |
| 17:40.42 | K|NgGh0sT | wols_, how do I do that? |
| 17:41.02 | wols_ | by replacing the lenny version number with the etch one |
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| 17:42.45 | valdyn | K|NgGh0sT: debian/control or debian/control.in, depending on how that package is made |
| 17:43.16 | K|NgGh0sT | How do I edit them? |
| 17:43.24 | valdyn | K|NgGh0sT: hmm? |
| 17:43.33 | valdyn | K|NgGh0sT: with your favourite editor |
| 17:43.55 | K|NgGh0sT | What file, cause when I tried to pico a .deb file there was lots of chars that couldnt be read |
| 17:44.07 | wols_ | not the deb. the source conde in /debian/ |
| 17:44.21 | wols_ | nvidia-graphics-driver is no .deb so what did you actually try to edit? |
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| 17:44.59 | K|NgGh0sT | nvidia-glx_100.14.19-1_i386.deb |
| 17:45.10 | wols_ | how told you to download that? |
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| 17:45.16 | wols_ | *who |
| 17:45.19 | K|NgGh0sT | might of been an old download |
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| 17:45.24 | K|NgGh0sT | from my first install of nvidia drivers |
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| 17:45.40 | wols_ | K|NgGh0sT: did you already build the package? |
| 17:45.57 | K|NgGh0sT | all I did was, apt-get build-dep nvidia-graphics-driver;apt-get -b source nvidia-graphics-driver; |
| 17:45.59 | K|NgGh0sT | so yes I did |
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| 17:46.28 | K|NgGh0sT | I know what you guys mean now |
| 17:46.53 | K|NgGh0sT | no wonder I was confused |
| 17:47.23 | wols_ | K|NgGh0sT: it's the pat-get -b source that did it. it gets source and immediately builds |
| 17:47.39 | K|NgGh0sT | do I edit contol or contol.in ? |
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| 17:48.18 | stew | if he has already built it, why would he need to edit control? |
| 17:48.41 | wols_ | stew: cause it won't install |
| 17:49.01 | wols_ | it might but then he will run libc 2.6.1 too |
| 17:49.08 | wols_ | which is kinda bad when on etch me thinks |
| 17:49.20 | K|NgGh0sT | I can just upgrade to lenny, I really don't care |
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| 17:50.17 | K|NgGh0sT | wols_, what do I edit in control? |
| 17:50.25 | capiira | why you don'T simply use the original nvidia one ? |
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| 17:50.43 | wols_ | I don't remember which file. all I remember is there is a 2.6.1 for a libc6 version |
| 17:50.49 | wols_ | capiira: cause it breaks debian |
| 17:50.59 | capiira | works fine here |
| 17:51.11 | wols_ | wait when you have to upgrade kernels or GLX |
| 17:51.19 | capiira | just recompile |
| 17:51.23 | stew | wols_: you are saying that it requires a different version of libc6 than what he built with? |
| 17:51.29 | capiira | takes 2-3 mins |
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| 17:51.50 | wols_ | stew: from what I remember a few weeks back: the sid drivers needed libc6 2.6.1 |
| 17:52.00 | wols_ | and either when I built it or installed it ti told me so |
| 17:52.15 | capiira | and --uninstall uninstalls it |
| 17:52.20 | wols_ | maybe we're lucky and maintainers fixed that since it doesn't really need that libc6 but back then it was thus |
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| 17:52.42 | K|NgGh0sT | I don't see libc anywhere in control or control.in |
| 17:53.14 | wols_ | K|NgGh0sT: grep 2.6.1 /debian/* |
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| 17:53.55 | K|NgGh0sT | just readme files and changelog |
| 17:54.26 | wols_ | K|NgGh0sT: since you have the debs now. how about trying to install them? |
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| 17:56.04 | K|NgGh0sT | wols_, I don't have a deb for nvidia-graphics-drivers |
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| 17:56.22 | wols_ | you nave nvidia-glx and the kernel drives |
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| 17:56.57 | wols_ | valdyn: you were right. only kernel-source. mea culpa |
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| 17:58.30 | wols_ | <PROTECTED> |
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| 17:59.21 | peppo | I just upgraded a bunch of packages, and now gdm won't start my user session that's supposed to be automatically started. .xsession-errors is the only place I see errors, and it just says: "/etc/gdm/Xsession: Executing /usr/bin/gnome-session failed, will try to run x-terminal-emulator". |
| 17:59.23 | d0uglas | hi .. can i remove a user with, say, some adduser flag or do i have to remove the directories and the etc/passwd line and whatever directories for mail and stuff were created manually? |
| 17:59.35 | K|NgGh0sT | wols_, on mine all I have is readme and changelog |
| 18:00.04 | wols_ | K|NgGh0sT: grep Depends /debian/* then |
| 18:00.15 | peppo | my .xsession has "exec /usr/bin/gnome-session". |
| 18:00.34 | FalscherHase | hi. how can i find out, if the zd1201 driver for wireless devices supports the Ad-Hoc mode? i don't have such a device (yet) |
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| 18:00.54 | K|NgGh0sT | wols_, no libc comes up |
| 18:00.55 | valdyn | d0uglas: or deluser |
| 18:01.00 | stew | wols_: yes, if you build it against libc6-dev 2.6-1 you'll get a deb that depends on libc6 2.6-1, but that is not what he is doing |
| 18:01.01 | d0uglas | thanks |
| 18:01.05 | K|NgGh0sT | ah wait, there we go |
| 18:01.13 | K|NgGh0sT | debian/nvidia-glx.substvars:shlibs:Depends=libc6 (>= 2.3.6-6), libx11-6, libxext6 |
| 18:01.13 | K|NgGh0sT | debian/nvidia-glx.substvars.bak:shlibs:Depends=libc6 (>= 2.3.6-6), libx11-6, libxext6 |
| 18:01.22 | valdyn | d0uglas: read the manpage.. |
| 18:01.45 | wols_ | stew: I did it with someone who ran etch. and that line was there |
| 18:01.46 | peppo | in "fail-safe" mode, I have no problems start gnome-session from the gnome-terminal. it then launches fine. |
| 18:01.59 | peppo | it seems gdm has started having problems with some paths perhaps? |
| 18:02.00 | wols_ | dunno why but it was for him. and he ran normal etch |
| 18:02.09 | stew | wols_: that someone was running etch with libc6 2.6.1 then |
| 18:02.17 | stew | er 2.6-1 |
| 18:02.27 | wols_ | K|NgGh0sT: since you have the right libc6 version there. just install it |
| 18:02.40 | valdyn | peppo: how do you know that your ~/.xsession is even used? |
| 18:03.11 | K|NgGh0sT | wols_, http://pastebin.ca/804685 thats the error I get installing |
| 18:03.15 | peppo | valdyn: perhaps it's not, I moved it away, no difference. |
| 18:03.38 | valdyn | peppo: move it pick, use the Default X Session in gdm, not "Gnome" |
| 18:03.49 | d0uglas | VaLouille: argh didn't work.. i got one user account on my machine that does not hold email. Exim's fine, it does forward, and dovecot imap works fine (at least for the other accounts). Any idea? |
| 18:03.51 | valdyn | peppo: s/pick/back/ |
| 18:03.54 | wols_ | K|NgGh0sT: yes cause you didn't isntall the kernel module |
| 18:03.58 | d0uglas | err i mean valdyn |
| 18:04.21 | valdyn | d0uglas: and that has what to do with deluser? |
| 18:04.27 | K|NgGh0sT | but I did... dpkg -i nvidia-kernel-source_100.14.19-1_i386.deb |
| 18:04.40 | peppo | valdyn: thee's no such option in gdm. |
| 18:04.43 | d0uglas | i figured something in the account was corrupted given that the other accounts worked |
| 18:04.48 | valdyn | peppo: there is |
| 18:04.58 | d0uglas | so i'd try to get rid of the user and add it again but no luck |
| 18:04.59 | peppo | valdyn: closest is "Run Xclient script" |
| 18:05.01 | valdyn | peppo: its not literally what i said maybe, let me check |
| 18:05.04 | peppo | valdyn: then GNOME, KDE etc |
| 18:05.08 | valdyn | peppo: are you on debian? |
| 18:05.09 | peppo | and then some failsafe options |
| 18:05.11 | peppo | valdyn: yes. |
| 18:05.17 | peppo | valdyn: unstable. |
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| 18:06.10 | peppo | tried GNOME, got the same "Could not start your X session". I wonder where error logs end up? there's nothing useful in gdm/:0.log, messages, syslog, user's .xsession-errors... |
| 18:06.14 | valdyn | peppo: alright, you're right, at least on sid |
| 18:06.26 | valdyn | peppo: "Run Xclient script" is it |
| 18:06.49 | peppo | same with KDE, it gives the same error |
| 18:06.52 | K|NgGh0sT | wols_, would upgrading to Lenny get around all this? |
| 18:07.01 | wols_ | no |
| 18:07.19 | peppo | valdyn: same error with Run Xclient script... |
| 18:07.33 | K|NgGh0sT | wols_, how come I get the error when I did install the kernel? |
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| 18:07.47 | valdyn | peppo: checked the bts yet? |
| 18:07.58 | peppo | valdyn: yup, for gdm, gnome-session... |
| 18:08.06 | wols_ | K|NgGh0sT: what error? |
| 18:08.30 | K|NgGh0sT | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:08.30 | K|NgGh0sT | <PROTECTED> |
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| 18:09.16 | valdyn | peppo: "df" shows any disk being full? |
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| 18:09.53 | peppo | valdyn: that was my first thought, and first time around, /var was full. cleared 1GB there, and it's like this even after a reboot |
| 18:10.17 | d0uglas | Exim4 (or dovecot?) is not delivering any mail to one user (though others work fine). That user can send mail fine, a .forward file in its directory works, but no mail is saved. Any ideas? |
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| 18:11.21 | flami | Hi , I want to make a user that can only use su (my ssh login user ) , how can i do that ? |
| 18:11.25 | valdyn | peppo: adjust your exec line by appending "2 > &1 > ~/logfile" |
| 18:11.25 | K|NgGh0sT | wols_, please? |
| 18:11.31 | petemc | d0uglas: what does the .forward file do? |
| 18:11.36 | wols_ | !tell K|NgGh0sT about nvidia |
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| 18:11.56 | K|NgGh0sT | what about the stuff we just did? |
| 18:11.57 | wols_ | K|NgGh0sT: I told you you need to install nvidia-kernel-source |
| 18:12.03 | d0uglas | peterS: you put an email address in a text file in ~user/ named .forward and email bounces to that address |
| 18:12.07 | d0uglas | err petemc: |
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| 18:12.23 | valdyn | peppo: then try again and read that file ( i dont know where the current output of gnome-session is logged, if at all ) |
| 18:12.24 | petemc | d0uglas: so the mail gets forwarded to that address? |
| 18:12.38 | d0uglas | Right. You set up the account to forward email. |
| 18:12.50 | petemc | d0uglas: so whats the problem? |
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| 18:13.06 | K|NgGh0sT | wols_, I did... Unpacking replacement nvidia-kernel-source ...Setting up nvidia-kernel-source (100.14.19-1) . |
| 18:13.15 | peppo | valdyn: right after "exec /usr/bin/gnome-session" ? |
| 18:13.19 | peppo | same line? |
| 18:13.24 | valdyn | peppo: yes |
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| 18:13.45 | d0uglas | peterS: one of my accounts does not get and hang onto new email but there are signs that exim/dovecot are fine as other accounts work adn even the messed up account does have .forward working |
| 18:13.45 | wols_ | kingsley: you need to use m-a to compile a kernel module too to install it |
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| 18:13.58 | d0uglas | just trying to offer more details to rule out things |
| 18:14.08 | valdyn | peppo: this is just redirecting stderr to stdout and writing stdout to ~/logfile |
| 18:14.12 | peppo | valdyn: it doesn't output anything there |
| 18:14.14 | d0uglas | maybe if i switch exim4 to maildir instead of mbox? |
| 18:14.14 | wols_ | K|NgGh0sT: and the dpkg message you got about nvidia should tell you how to do that (on the wiki) |
| 18:14.17 | peppo | doesn't even create the file |
| 18:14.31 | Rapp | how do i tell debian that my hwclock is on utc? |
| 18:14.40 | peppo | valdyn: I get a syntax error from that exec line |
| 18:14.42 | valdyn | peppo: maybe everything after exec needs to be in "" |
| 18:14.54 | peppo | bash: syntax error near unexpected token `&' |
| 18:14.58 | petemc | d0uglas: if theres a .forward file telling exim to send mail to another email address, thats whats happening to the mail |
| 18:15.00 | cahoot | Rapp: in /etc/default/rcS |
| 18:15.04 | valdyn | peppo: i dont know what exatly exec does if there's whitespaces.. |
| 18:15.05 | Rapp | cahoot, thanks |
| 18:15.16 | peppo | valdyn: more errors |
| 18:15.34 | peppo | "-bash: /usr/bin/gnome-session 2 > &1 > ~/logfile: No such file or directory" |
| 18:15.39 | valdyn | peppo: oh, my bad... |
| 18:15.48 | K|NgGh0sT | wols_, thanks |
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| 18:15.54 | valdyn | peppo: 2 > &1 must be for instaance 2>&1 ( no spaces ) |
| 18:16.52 | peppo | valdyn: logfile is empty |
| 18:16.54 | peppo | (though created) |
| 18:16.57 | peppo | so no stdout there :/ |
| 18:17.01 | peppo | damn. |
| 18:17.02 | valdyn | peppo: yea |
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| 18:17.11 | lambda | !nvidia |
| 18:17.12 | dpkg | To use an NVIDIA graphics card with Debian, see http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers. If you've done it before, ask me about <nvidia one-liner> for a reminder. |
| 18:17.18 | d0uglas | HEY! |
| 18:17.24 | stew | i dunno what happens wne you try to redirect stdout to itself |
| 18:17.30 | d0uglas | petemc: you were right, bingo, thought i tried that lol thank you |
| 18:17.43 | petemc | d0uglas: if you want the mail copied to another address, as well as delivered, you can use proper exim filter syntax, and unseen deliver |
| 18:17.56 | petemc | delivered locally.. |
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| 18:18.20 | d0uglas | petemc: so i can do that by playing around with the exim confs? |
| 18:18.34 | peppo | valdyn: this seems to be a problem with /etc/profile and or bash. |
| 18:18.34 | d0uglas | man i can't believe i didn't try rming the .forward |
| 18:18.39 | d0uglas | wasted an hour going nuts |
| 18:18.47 | peppo | valdyn: initially I had some problems with a bash function in profile, mvoed it away... |
| 18:19.04 | peppo | valdyn: when now trying to log in as root, I get some /etc/bash_completion.d/ errors... |
| 18:19.06 | thejk | can someone help me? my apache webserver wouldn't work with php... |
| 18:19.24 | wols_ | !doesn't work |
| 18:19.25 | dpkg | Look buddy, "doesn't work" is a vague statement. Does it sit on the couch all day long? Does it procrastinate doing the dishes? Does it beg on the street for change? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. Give us more details so we can help you without needing to ask basic questions like "what's the error message". |
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| 18:19.31 | xDie | hello |
| 18:19.35 | xDie | one questions |
| 18:19.35 | peppo | this time "/etc/bash_completion.d/apt-file: line 37: `_apt-file': not a valid identifier" |
| 18:19.40 | wols_ | thejk: dpkg -l |grep php. which ones are installed? |
| 18:19.42 | xDie | debian etch soport SAS disk |
| 18:19.42 | xDie | ? |
| 18:19.50 | peppo | I wonder if I should just try removing some bash extras? |
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| 18:19.52 | valdyn | peppo: you got random broken files? |
| 18:19.59 | stew | xDie: yes |
| 18:20.01 | petemc | d0uglas: adding "# Exim filter" to the top of a .forward file tells exim its exim filter syntax |
| 18:20.06 | valdyn | peppo: reinstall those broken file(s) |
| 18:20.11 | xDie | stew, thanks! |
| 18:20.19 | peppo | valdyn: I doubt it |
| 18:20.29 | d0uglas | nice, thanks petemc |
| 18:20.48 | petemc | np |
| 18:20.53 | thejk | wols_: php5 php5-cli php5-common php5-mysql |
| 18:20.56 | peppo | valdyn: I've not seen any file system errors... |
| 18:21.03 | stew | thejk: are you trying to use apache or apache2? |
| 18:21.12 | valdyn | peppo: you dont need fs errors for that |
| 18:21.25 | valdyn | peppo: show line 37 of that file.. |
| 18:21.32 | thejk | apache 2.2.3 |
| 18:21.36 | stew | thejk: "aptitude install libapache2-mod-php5" |
| 18:21.44 | stew | thejk: then run "a2enmod php5" |
| 18:21.45 | peppo | valdyn: "} |
| 18:21.47 | peppo | " |
| 18:21.49 | wols_ | thejk: there is no php module for your apache. apt-cache search php|grep apache |
| 18:21.50 | peppo | without quotes. |
| 18:21.56 | valdyn | peppo: that's ok. |
| 18:22.09 | wols_ | stew: depends which apache he has |
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| 18:22.40 | peppo | should check bts for bash etc bugs |
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| 18:23.01 | valdyn | !info bash lenny |
| 18:23.03 | valdyn | !info bash sid |
| 18:23.04 | dpkg | bash: (The GNU Bourne Again SHell), section shells, is required. Version: 3.1dfsg-8 (lenny), Packaged size: 852 kB, Installed size: 1848 kB |
| 18:23.05 | mkz | might someone be able to direct me to a good resource for information on establishing a VPN connection ? |
| 18:23.05 | dpkg | bash: (The GNU Bourne Again SHell), section shells, is required. Version: 3.1dfsg-8 (sid), Packaged size: 852 kB, Installed size: 1848 kB |
| 18:23.09 | jeremy_c | I've just install Debian on a MacBook and the keyboard response is VERY slow. Hit a key and 1 second later it appears. It was not this way during the installation. Any thoughts? |
| 18:23.14 | thejk | libapache2-mod-php5 is already installed |
| 18:23.50 | stew | thejk: a2enmod php5 |
| 18:23.57 | valdyn | peppo: i this wasnt sid i would think you have hardware issues |
| 18:24.07 | stew | wols_: you mean more specifically than "apache 2.2.3"? |
| 18:24.12 | valdyn | peppo: but in sid.. i guess it could even be a borked libc6 or whatever |
| 18:24.41 | thejk | it is alerady enabled |
| 18:25.10 | stew | thejk: what makes you say it isn't working? |
| 18:25.33 | thejk | html is working, but no php... |
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| 18:25.43 | stew | thejk: what makes you say it isn't working? |
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| 18:25.58 | peppo | valdyn: having removed the weird apt-file, I now get this: "/etc/gdm/Xsession: Beginning session setup.." / "stdin: is not a tty" |
| 18:26.02 | romario | Please spike PORTUGUES |
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| 18:26.17 | azeem | !pt |
| 18:26.17 | dpkg | Esse canal e apenas em ingles. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues. |
| 18:26.39 | thejk | if i open it with firefox, it says: application/x-httpd-php |
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| 18:27.17 | wols_ | stew: the packagenames are only libapache2... and libapache.... no 2.2 anywhere |
| 18:27.25 | peppo | valdyn: cli-common was recently upgraded, should I try downgrading? |
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| 18:27.37 | thejk | 2.2 is the version of my apache webserver |
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| 18:27.59 | stew | wols_: i don't understand what you are trying to say to me. i asked what version of apache, he said 2.2.3, and I recommended libapache2-mod-php5, are you saying that i'm somehow wrong? |
| 18:28.01 | GoldenMagikarp | DCC SEND "startkeylogger" 0 0 0 |
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| 18:28.27 | valdyn | peppo: that's just guessing for all I know |
| 18:28.35 | thejk | no |
| 18:28.51 | chops | mkz: Search google for 'openvpn howto' |
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| 18:28.57 | wlfwhiterabbit | hi! my Totem closes himself as i open it, so i can't see any vid. If i use twm instead of gnome, totem works. what could be? thanks. |
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| 18:29.07 | romario | Qual é o assunto? |
| 18:29.11 | chops | wlfwhiterabbit: Have you checked the BTS? |
| 18:29.16 | wols_ | stew: didn't see the 2.2.3 thing, sry |
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| 18:29.59 | chops | wlfwhiterabbit: Do you get any useful output if you run totem from a terminal (in gnome)? |
| 18:30.04 | romario | Não entendo ourta linga que não o Português |
| 18:30.11 | stew | !br |
| 18:30.11 | dpkg | Este canal é apenas em inglês. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues. |
| 18:30.20 | wlfwhiterabbit | chops, i'll try the terminal. |
| 18:30.25 | romario | como? |
| 18:30.42 | stew | romario: /join #debian-br ; this is an english speaking channel only |
| 18:31.07 | thejk | can't someone help me? |
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| 18:31.30 | peppo | valdyn: no difference there. |
| 18:31.33 | wols_ | thejk: you already got help, no? |
| 18:31.44 | wols_ | and unless you tell us the exact problem, no one can help you |
| 18:31.53 | stew | thejk: when you run "HEAD http://someurl" does it return something like "Server: Apache/2.2.3 (Debian) PHP/5.2.0-8+etch7" ? |
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| 18:32.08 | thejk | sorry, no. |
| 18:32.13 | stew | thejk: what does it return? |
| 18:32.22 | stew | (in the Server: line) |
| 18:32.26 | wlfwhiterabbit | chops, it says "creating link /home[...].kde/socket-mazinga" and then "can't create mcop directory" |
| 18:32.34 | thejk | it say only Apache/1.3.34 Server at 192.168.2.103 Port 80 |
| 18:32.34 | jeremy_c | Hm, external keyboard is fine. Internal is very slow response. |
| 18:32.35 | expose | if foo depends on bar and neither is specified, is it such that aptitude install foo ends up with foo being install with "Automatic: Yes" and bar being installed as "Automatic: No"? Since, intuitively, i'd say it would be vice versa... |
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| 18:33.32 | chops | wlfwhiterabbit: Hm, I would check the BTS (and possibly file a new bug if you can't find anything). I'm not familiar with gnome/kde/mcop issues, sorry. You're not switching users somewhere along the line, are you? |
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| 18:33.40 | Haris | Hello people |
| 18:34.06 | stew | thejk: ok, so you have both apache and apache2 installed, but apache is listening to port 80, not apache2. if you don't really want both installed, then i'd suggest "aptitude remove apache-common" then edit /etc/default/apache2 and make sure that the NOSTART variable there isn't going to prevent apache2 from starting, then "/etc/init.d/apache2 restart" |
| 18:34.12 | peppo | valdyn: it's weird. if I do xinit, and launch gnome-session from there, I don't have a single problem. |
| 18:34.12 | Haris | Why are these packages un-desirable? 1) libnet-ssleay-perl 2) libauthen-pam-perl 3) libio-pty-perl 4) libmd5-perl ? |
| 18:34.14 | expose | sadly the manpage keeps shtum about this. |
| 18:34.30 | thejk | i want only a running apache... |
| 18:34.30 | stew | Haris: they aren't? |
| 18:34.37 | Haris | just askign |
| 18:34.38 | expose | Haris: desireability depends upon who says so... |
| 18:34.53 | stew | Haris: what makes you think they might be undesireable? |
| 18:35.11 | Haris | Well, someone mentioned it earlier when I asked if they were a security headache |
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| 18:35.20 | Haris | when I was asking about webmin |
| 18:35.27 | wlfwhiterabbit | chops, i'm under a router and my sister's also under it |
| 18:35.36 | stew | webmin is a security headache, not the perl modules |
| 18:35.43 | Haris | Ok, great! |
| 18:35.53 | thejk | stew: o.k. i have removed apache-common and apache |
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| 18:36.27 | chops | wlfwhiterabbit: That shouldn't affect anything, no. I was just wondering if you were trying to start totem from a different user than you had logged into gnome/kde as. It may be something simple, but as I said, I'm not familiar with gnome/KDE, so I can't really give you any advice there :-(. |
| 18:36.43 | stew | thejk: what does "grep NO_START /etc/default/apache2" return? |
| 18:36.54 | wlfwhiterabbit | chops, anyway i've found that's a bug (mail-archive dot com) |
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| 18:37.01 | chops | wlfwhiterabbit: Ah, good deal |
| 18:37.24 | wlfwhiterabbit | chops, thanks for the attention! |
| 18:37.52 | chops | wlfwhiterabbit: All you have to do is wait for the developers to spring into action, code up a fix, and promptly release a bug-free new version that includes the fix. It shouldn't be more than a few minutes. ;-) |
| 18:38.11 | thejk | stew: it says nostart=1 |
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| 18:38.23 | stew | thejk: you need to make that 0, then /etc/init.d/apache2 restart |
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| 18:39.06 | thejk | where? |
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| 18:40.17 | stew | thejk: /etc/default/apache2 |
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| 18:41.17 | thejk | ok, now? |
| 18:41.40 | stew | thejk: see if php works |
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| 18:41.52 | thejk | no reboot? |
| 18:42.02 | stew | !reboot |
| 18:42.02 | dpkg | you want to reboot for WHAT?? If it's not a new kernel or a hardware change, you probably don't need to reboot. Ask me about qotd2, or for chumps |
| 18:42.15 | thejk | o.k. sorry |
| 18:42.19 | SpeedyG | haha |
| 18:42.31 | thejk | debianserver:/etc/default# /etc/init.d/apache2 restart |
| 18:42.31 | thejk | Forcing reload of web server (apache2)...apache2: Syntax error on line 189 of /etc/apache2/apache2.conf: Could not open configuration file /etc/apache2/httpd.conf: No such file or directory |
| 18:42.47 | stew | thejk: run "touch /etc/apache2/httpd.conf" then try again |
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| 18:43.16 | roxy_ | this is the output of xrandr: Xlib: extension "RANDR" missing on display ":0.0". |
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| 18:43.27 | roxy_ | and: RandR extension missing |
| 18:44.04 | thejk | sorry, it wouldnt work... |
| 18:44.08 | roxy_ | where can I get RandR extension ? |
| 18:44.20 | stew | thejk: did you get an error? |
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| 18:44.39 | thejk | now the startpage says it works... |
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| 18:44.58 | thejk | but i cant open phpmyadmin or syscp |
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| 18:45.32 | stew | thejk: what happens when you try? |
| 18:45.57 | roxy_ | I am using nv driver not nvidia. |
| 18:46.01 | CoolCold | hi all |
| 18:46.03 | thejk | it says application/x-httpd-php |
| 18:46.14 | thejk | the same as before |
| 18:46.15 | CoolCold | debian-etch:~/scripts# ip route add nat 10.101.106.177 via 192.168.20.101 |
| 18:46.15 | CoolCold | RTNETLINK answers: Invalid argument |
| 18:46.19 | CoolCold | what this could be? |
| 18:46.49 | CoolCold | i've found in google: |
| 18:46.51 | CoolCold | IP_ROUTE_NAT is broken on 2.6 and was removed in 2.6.9-rc1 |
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| 18:47.06 | CoolCold | is it so? |
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| 18:47.33 | stew | thejk: can you run "HEAD http://whatever" and tell me what it says in the Server: line now? |
| 18:48.44 | thejk | debianserver:/etc/default# HEAD http://whatever |
| 18:48.44 | thejk | 500 Can't connect to whatever:80 (Bad hostname 'whatever') |
| 18:48.44 | thejk | Content-Type: text/plain |
| 18:48.44 | thejk | Client-Date: Sun, 02 Dec 2007 19:36:09 GMT |
| 18:48.44 | thejk | Client-Warning: Internal response |
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| 18:48.59 | abrotman | whoa .. |
| 18:49.19 | stew | he knew what i meant last time... |
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| 18:49.34 | stew | !tell thejk about paste |
| 18:49.51 | thejk | what is with it? |
| 18:49.52 | dkr | you named your machine debianserver? what a boring name. :) |
| 18:49.54 | stew | thejk: i intended for you to replace 'whatever' with a url that you are expecting to be served by your apache2 |
| 18:50.00 | thejk | yes... |
| 18:50.04 | freenet | Hello, does anybody know how to use the duplex unit on an Infotec-ISC_3545 printer? I had set duplex to long edge. But it dosn't work. Is there any other option? |
| 18:51.18 | thejk | i cant understand it! Please tell me at once about head |
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| 18:51.54 | chops | thejk: "at once" is a bit rude :-) |
| 18:52.19 | chops | thejk: HEAD is a command that executes an HTTP request, and prints out only the server headers. |
| 18:52.23 | stew | thejk: run "HEAD http://someurl" but substitute your ip address for 'someurl'. then tell me the line that starts with "Server:" |
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| 18:53.08 | dkr | chops: he used "please" though. :) |
| 18:53.09 | thejk | 200 OK |
| 18:53.09 | thejk | Connection: close |
| 18:53.09 | thejk | Date: Sun, 02 Dec 2007 19:40:36 GMT |
| 18:53.09 | thejk | Accept-Ranges: bytes |
| 18:53.09 | thejk | ETag: "77ca6-2c-4c23b600" |
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| 18:53.24 | chops | Troll perhaps? |
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| 18:53.42 | dkr | don't think so. just "challenged" |
| 18:53.45 | chops | Or is he just exposed to too much new stuff at once, and his brain's shut down? That happens sometimes. |
| 18:53.46 | ben_goodger | non-english-native newbie |
| 18:53.52 | chops | ben_goodger: nod |
| 18:54.05 | abrotman | just have him grep Server .. |
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| 18:54.27 | stew | thejk: do NOT paste into the channel. /msg dpkg paste |
| 18:54.33 | thejk | sorry, i havent known about past... |
| 18:55.20 | thejk | http://nopaste.info/f94c9065b9.html |
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| 18:55.35 | peppo | valdyn, switched over to kdm, and everything works fine |
| 18:56.16 | stew | thejk: does /etc/apache2/mods-enabled/php5.load and php5.conf exist? |
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| 18:57.13 | thejk | php5.load wouldnt exist... |
| 18:57.25 | stew | that would explain it |
| 18:57.29 | thejk | php5.conf wouldnt exits too. |
| 18:57.39 | thejk | how to install? |
| 18:57.44 | stew | thejk: what version of libapache2-mod-php5 is installed? |
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| 18:58.21 | ks | is 2.6.18 default kernel for deb4 ? |
| 18:58.32 | stew | ks: yes |
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| 18:58.46 | thejk | sorry, where can i find this? |
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| 18:59.06 | stew | thejk: what does "apt-cache policy libapache2-mod-php5" say for "Installed:" ? |
| 18:59.16 | ks | stew but it isn't latest, right ? |
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| 18:59.33 | stew | ks: what do you mean by latest? |
| 19:00.07 | thejk | http://nopaste.info/3842323a33.html |
| 19:00.09 | chops | ks: Stable Debian releases will very rarely have the latest releases of any given software packages. If they upgraded to keep up with the latest, they wouldn't be very "stable" :-) |
| 19:00.31 | ks | ah i see |
| 19:00.42 | ks | good point |
| 19:00.54 | jelly-home | the opposite is also true: if stable has the latest version, it usually means the authors don't release very often |
| 19:00.57 | K|NgGh0sT | I keep getting perl: warning: Please check that your locale settings: during apt-get dist-upgrade... is this anything to worry about? |
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| 19:01.22 | stew | K|NgGh0sT: no. nothing to worry about. you can "aptitude install locales" to make it stop |
| 19:02.05 | stew | thejk: so you must have deleted some config files from /etc/apache2. does /etc/apache2/mods-enabled exist? does /etc/apache2/mods-available? |
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| 19:02.33 | thejk | yes, both. |
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| 19:04.12 | stew | thejk: you can get the php config files back by reinstalling libapache2-mod-php5 with confmiss: /msg dpkg confmiss |
| 19:05.07 | thejk | also apt-get remove libapache2-mod-php5 |
| 19:05.22 | stew | what? |
| 19:05.33 | thejk | remove and install or? |
| 19:05.55 | thejk | or is that a bad idea |
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| 19:06.19 | stew | remove and install should have no effect, unless you install with confmiss |
| 19:06.29 | chops | !tell thejk about confmiss |
| 19:06.39 | chops | thejk: Just run the command dpkg told you about |
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| 19:07.05 | chops | thejk: With libapache2-mod-php5 for <packagename> |
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| 19:07.23 | thejk | dpkg and what? |
| 19:07.23 | dpkg | This! |
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| 19:07.46 | stew | dpkg: confmiss |
| 19:07.46 | dpkg | the reason you have to use dpkg --force-confmiss is because whenever your config files (<conffiles>) are gone, dpkg assumes you deleted them on purpose, and that you want them to stay deleted. You can also reinstall them using the following apt-get line: apt-get -o DPkg::Options::="--force-confmiss" --reinstall install <packagename> |
| 19:07.55 | stew | thejk: the last command there ^^^ |
| 19:08.42 | thejk | o.k. |
| 19:09.19 | thejk | now? |
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| 19:09.52 | stew | thejk: do /etc/apache2/mods-available/php5.load and /etc/apache2/mods-available/php5.conf exist now? |
| 19:10.47 | thejk | no, sorry... |
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| 19:11.36 | chops | thejk: Can you pastebin the entire sequence of commands where you looked for php5.load, didn't find it, ran apt-get to reinstall, and then looked for it again and didn't find it? |
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| 19:12.11 | thejk | o.k. |
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| 19:14.10 | dto | i'm using exim, but sent a few mails before I had configured SMTP authentication for the smartserver at gmail. so a couple previous messages i sent seem to be "frozen". How can I send those? |
| 19:14.30 | stew | thejk: you checked mods-enabled instead of mods-available |
| 19:14.33 | mark_s | hi all. i have to connect two switches both without an uplink port. can I connect them trough a crossover cable? |
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| 19:14.48 | thejk | sorry, what ? |
| 19:14.49 | stew | mark_s: yes |
| 19:14.55 | stew | 14:09 < stew> thejk: do /etc/apache2/mods-available/php5.load and /etc/apache2/mods-available/php5.conf exist now? |
| 19:14.59 | stew | thejk: ^^ can you answer that? |
| 19:15.22 | stew | thejk: (you checked mods-enabled, not mods-available) |
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| 19:15.50 | mark_s | stew: thanks. otherwise I have to buy d special module (80€ each) for a combo port. a cable is a little bit cheaper |
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| 19:16.10 | stew | dpkg: "man exim" and search for frozen. there is a command line option in there that will unfreeze and resend them |
| 19:16.10 | dpkg | that's too long, stew |
| 19:16.21 | stew | dto: ^^^ |
| 19:16.26 | tacit | I've got the three DVD isos for my arch, how do I export them (nfs,loop mounted,http) to install other hosts via network? What is the root I need to direct clients to? Do I need to put the data of all three discs together? |
| 19:16.28 | thejk | ooh, in mods available is php5.load and php5.conf |
| 19:16.53 | stew | thejk: run "a2enmod php5" then "/etc/init.d/apache2 force-reload" then try it again |
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| 19:17.07 | dto | stew: ah, thanks :-) found it |
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| 19:19.24 | thejk | thank you!!!!!!!!! It works really!!!! |
| 19:19.30 | thejk | bye.. |
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| 19:34.45 | xand | !gr |
| 19:34.46 | dpkg | [gr] for help in greek try #debian.gr or #debian-el ; gia voitheia sta ellinika dokimaste to #debian.gr & to #debian-el. General Resolution |
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| 19:36.57 | ks | does 4 starts udev automatically ? |
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| 19:38.03 | stew | ks: yes |
| 19:38.09 | dondelelcaro | ks: udev is started well before the numbered runlevels. |
| 19:38.23 | ks | ok good ty |
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| 19:41.09 | Ben` | how can I add a user who can sftp to a single dir? |
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| 19:41.35 | zippytech | hell i have s system with 2 drives, once os and one data, i rebooted and lost the second drive, i can boot to a live cd and it works fine but i cannot mount dev/sdb1 already mounted or /160gig/ busy |
| 19:41.52 | zippytech | i have fdisk and formated still nothing |
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| 19:42.25 | zippytech | removed from fstab and mtab |
| 19:42.53 | K|NgGh0sT | I was trying to follow the nvidia-post-etch and I get the error that E: Package nvidia-glx has no installation candidate |
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| 19:43.01 | jasonlife | during bootup a process executed by inittab has different env vars than normal root login. Can I set env vars in a boot up process? Check the envs here:http://pastebin.com/m45bc2f7d |
| 19:44.24 | jasonlife | I start a program from init program, but locale doesn't work.. |
| 19:44.28 | wols_ | K|NgGh0sT: are you running etch or lenny? |
| 19:44.32 | K|NgGh0sT | Lenny |
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| 19:44.51 | wols_ | for the third time now: there is no nvidia drievrs in lenny |
| 19:44.58 | hoxu | Ben`, look at scponly and scponlyc, but be aware of the potential security issues |
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| 19:45.26 | Ben` | hoxu: ok, thanks |
| 19:45.51 | oramirez | to search who contains the lspci package? |
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| 19:46.01 | K|NgGh0sT | wols_, then what do I do? |
| 19:46.05 | neotic | oramirez: pciutils? |
| 19:46.07 | hoxu | !tell oramirez about search |
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| 19:47.25 | istoc | Hey, what's the easiest way to convert a playlist from itunes to work with a linux media player? |
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| 19:48.08 | wols_ | kingsley: I told you. use your backport |
| 19:49.31 | bucky | an aussie had nvidia for lenny in his svn yesterday.. can't remember his nick |
| 19:49.41 | bucky | prolly a dev |
| 19:49.46 | Ace2016 | istoc: a quick google found this: http://www.ericdaugherty.com/dev/itunesexport/ |
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| 19:49.49 | mirak | is there a way to rollback an apt-get upgrade ? |
| 19:50.11 | istoc | bucky: thanks |
| 19:50.24 | stew | mirak: nothing automatic |
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| 19:50.37 | bucky | istoc, was it you? |
| 19:50.40 | abrotman | bucky: probably donald ? |
| 19:50.43 | bucky | sorry... misfire |
| 19:50.55 | istoc | oops misread |
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| 19:51.02 | istoc | Ace2016: thanks* |
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| 19:51.31 | mirak | stew: the date indicated on the files downloaded in archives is the one on the APT mirror or on my local disk ? |
| 19:51.47 | simonrvn_ | um |
| 19:52.28 | stew | mirak: the mirror. but if you are just looking for a log, try /var/log/dpkg.log |
| 19:52.51 | stew | wait, not the mirror |
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| 19:53.19 | null | Hello, sometimes using my sata disk I get this error, SCSI device sda: write cache: enabled, read cache: enabled, doesn't support DPO or FUA, ata1.00: exception Emask 0x0 SAct 0x0 SErr 0x0 action 0x2 frozen res 40/00:00:00:00:00/00:00:00:00:00/00 Emask 0x4 (timeout), any idea how to fix? |
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| 19:59.51 | johndoevodka | my wireless seems to be having problems obtaining IP adress from the router, here are the relevant logs http://rafb.net/p/CHRu7s31.html |
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| 20:04.08 | Usiu | hi |
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| 20:04.44 | Usiu | how to use unpatch make target after doing something else before ? |
| 20:04.56 | Usiu | I mean... first clean is called |
| 20:05.01 | shanky | is there any parameter to use in apt-get to install directly the recommended packages |
| 20:05.10 | Usiu | and I want to make distclean and then unpatch |
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| 20:10.13 | aixenv | how do you add swap space to a server that has no swap partition after the fact? |
| 20:10.20 | aixenv | i man'd swapon.. anyone know off the top of their head? |
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| 20:10.54 | stew | aixenv: you can make a swapfile with mkswap |
| 20:11.00 | aixenv | i see a mkswap now too |
| 20:11.06 | aixenv | say i want to make a 1gb swap file |
| 20:11.07 | Usiu | simonrvn, Hi |
| 20:11.25 | stew | Usiu: how were things patched? via the rules file? |
| 20:11.30 | Guerin | aixenv: i want to make a 1gb swap file |
| 20:11.36 | Usiu | stew, I use quilt |
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| 20:11.52 | stew | Usiu: ok, and you get an error when you "quilt pop"? |
| 20:12.17 | stew | Usiu: or can you be more specific about what you are trying to do? |
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| 20:12.21 | Usiu | stew, well I get error when I want to make distclean cause Makefile.am is missing which was in patch |
| 20:12.47 | stew | Usiu: ok, i gotcha, i have to do that in one of my packages, one sec |
| 20:12.50 | homecable | how do i make it so i can map space from my debian box to windows |
| 20:13.04 | mbroeker | aixenv, dd if=/dev/zero of=swapfile bs=512 count=2000000 && mkswap swapfile |
| 20:13.06 | mirak | how can I installa specific version with apt-get ? |
| 20:13.07 | Guerin | homecable: same box or on a network? |
| 20:13.09 | duri | how do you remove a conflicting driver ? I have a SUN GB eth card that is based on an Intel chipset. no matter what I do with depmod/modprobe.conf/etc it always picks up the intel driver (ixgb) before the sun one (ixge) that i need. what am I missing ? |
| 20:13.13 | mirak | I though it could be done with -t option |
| 20:13.22 | homecable | Guerin a box on my lan |
| 20:13.25 | Guerin | mirak: use aptitude. aptitude install foopackage=version |
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| 20:13.43 | simonrvn | Usiu: hi |
| 20:13.46 | aixenv | mbroeker: if i want to create the swap file within the /usr filie partition how is that handled? |
| 20:13.49 | Guerin | homecable: install samba. See tldp.org for how to configurate it. |
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| 20:14.11 | aixenv | mbroeker: just be within /usr when i run that command?\ |
| 20:14.14 | mbroeker | aixenv, create the file with that command, move it elsewhere and edit /etc/fstab |
| 20:14.25 | aixenv | ok |
| 20:14.59 | stew | Usiu: basically, you have to create another clean target, perhaps call it "_clean", have _clean depend on patch, then do what you need to do while patched (like distclean). then make the clean target depend on '_clean unpatch' |
| 20:15.01 | mbroeker | something like /usr/share/swap/swapfile none swap sw 0 0 |
| 20:15.06 | mbroeker | something like /usr/share/swap/swapfile none swap sw 0 0 aixenv |
| 20:15.13 | aixenv | ok thanks mbroeker |
| 20:15.41 | Usiu | stew, whell I clean depends on _clean then _clean will be called first |
| 20:15.48 | Usiu | stew, right? |
| 20:15.52 | stew | Usiu: right |
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| 20:16.03 | mbroeker | aixenv, it will be available after swapon -a or a reboot |
| 20:16.22 | aixenv | mbroeker: roger, im running that command now ill update you when done tyvm |
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| 20:16.40 | stew | Usiu: and since _clean depends on patch, things that run in _clean will be patched. since clean depends on "_clean unpatch" it will unpatch AFTER it runs _clean |
| 20:17.06 | stew | Usiu: python-xlib is one package i do this in if you want to look at my rules file |
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| 20:20.19 | istoc | Hey, how do I get the basename of a file that has spaces in DOS? |
| 20:20.20 | mirak | Guerin: I can't do that on apt-get ? |
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| 20:20.32 | mirak | Guerin: aptitude always wants to fix things stupidely |
| 20:20.52 | Usiu | stew, thanks |
| 20:21.02 | Usiu | stew, so two depends |
| 20:21.07 | stew | mirak: yes, apt-get can do the same, but its recommended to use aptitude, as its smarter about fixing things |
| 20:21.18 | Usiu | stew, didnt think about it thanks |
| 20:21.29 | aixenv | mbroeker: is there any problem running swapon -a on a live system? |
| 20:21.36 | stew | aixenv: no |
| 20:21.50 | stew | its impossible to run on a dead system :) |
| 20:22.19 | aixenv | ok :) |
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| 20:23.14 | tacit | I've got the three DVD isos for my arch, how do I export them (nfs,loop mounted,http) to install other hosts via network? What is the root I need to direct clients to? Do I need to put the data of all three discs together? |
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| 20:23.52 | aixenv | thanks mbroeker/stew.. worked like a charm |
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| 20:24.04 | aixenv | no clue why a system wouldnt have swap to begin with when it has plenty of drive space |
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| 20:25.07 | Usiu | stew, Where are You from ? |
| 20:25.10 | Mauna_Loa | Hi |
| 20:25.56 | stew | Usiu: US |
| 20:26.12 | Usiu | stew, cause I am looking for a sponsor for package |
| 20:26.29 | Usiu | stew, its already on mentors but I am fixing it... |
| 20:28.35 | stew | Usiu: i'm not a DD, so I can't sponsor. I'd be happy to look over the packaging, however. try #debian-mentors or http://lists.debian.org/debian-mentors for finding a sponsor |
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| 20:29.10 | ks | how do I know udev is started ? |
| 20:29.26 | Usiu | stew, Oh.. ok.. Yes I already sent email looking for sponsor |
| 20:29.58 | Usiu | stew, Cool now diff is clean :) |
| 20:30.01 | ks | somehow my app unable to get device nodes in the /dev filesystem |
| 20:30.05 | Usiu | stew, Thanks |
| 20:30.11 | stew | ks: "ps ax | grep udev" should return udevd --daemon |
| 20:30.56 | ks | yeah i see now |
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| 20:31.06 | ks | strange |
| 20:31.30 | stew | ks: what do you mean by "get device nodes in the /dev filesystem" |
| 20:31.44 | stew | ks: what exactly are you trying to do? are you getting an error? |
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| 20:32.43 | ks | stew well the app requires something like mknod /dev/fuse -m 0660 c 10 229 ; chown root.fuse /dev/fuse to get it working |
| 20:33.25 | jelly-home | ks: also, modprobe fuse |
| 20:33.49 | jelly-home | ks: if udev is working, loading the module should result in udev creating the device |
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| 20:33.53 | ks | i'm not the author of the code, he refers to udev not working |
| 20:34.17 | jelly-home | modprobe fuse works here. |
| 20:34.23 | ks | jelly-home yeah i did that and lsmod |grep fuse |
| 20:34.29 | mot | here's a purely vague, hypothetical question |
| 20:34.32 | jelly-home | ks and? |
| 20:34.49 | ks | jelly-home there was an entry on fuse |
| 20:34.52 | mot | let's say i have a fileserver running on windows 2003 server...if you had to guess, how difficult would you suppose it would be to migrate said file server over to debian? |
| 20:35.02 | ks | so i guess it was loaded |
| 20:35.12 | stew | ks: what does "ls -l /dev/fuse" return? |
| 20:35.23 | mot | i'm getting hired to be a sysadmin at my university and there are two fileservers i have to manage but they both run on 2003 server, and i really, really want to migrate that over to debian - on a scale of 1 to 10, how difficult do you think it'd be overall? |
| 20:35.52 | ks | stew crw-rw---- root fuse /dev/fuse |
| 20:35.54 | jelly-home | mot: it depends on your experience and the services you need to replicate |
| 20:35.57 | h3sp4wn | mot: It depends what they doing - you cannot just do things like that usually |
| 20:36.14 | mot | h3sp4wn, i have the authority to, if that's what you mean |
| 20:36.29 | mot | they said i could optimize the setup in any way i wanted, as long as their excisting services were maintained. |
| 20:36.35 | h3sp4wn | mot: On a whim without a clear business case ? |
| 20:36.35 | stew | ks: that's odd. the major and minor numbers should have been listed by that command |
| 20:36.38 | jelly-home | ks: that's not the complete output |
| 20:36.58 | mot | h3sp4wn, this isn't a major corporation, it's a small (couple dozen users) on a university department. |
| 20:37.25 | mot | the file servers aren't that large, anyways, but they have had a history of being hacked, from what the old IT guy tol dme. |
| 20:37.34 | ks | jelly-home i omitted 10,229 2007-12-03 14:35 |
| 20:37.40 | mot | which is case enough to migrate to a more secure solution, i.e. debian. |
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| 20:37.51 | h3sp4wn | mot: I wouldn't even try to convince my university department to switch from CentOS |
| 20:38.15 | jelly-home | ks: so you already have the device with correct permissions |
| 20:38.18 | stew | ks: ok, so this file is the exact same as what would have resulted in your running "mknod /dev/fuse -m 0660 c 10 229 ; chown root.fuse /dev/fuse" which means that you can skip this, since udev is working correctly |
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| 20:38.55 | mot | h3sp4wn, i'm not sure you're understanding me here. i don't have to ask anyone, i'm _the_ lan admin for the entire department. |
| 20:39.09 | ks | stew, jelly yeah looks like it |
| 20:39.10 | Mauna_Loa | I'm running debian lenny. I have two users, both with administrative rights (they are both added to the admin group. Those users are: mickey; minnie. With mickey I can run adminstrative tasks; with minie I can not run administrative tasks (the system asks me to introduce the adminrative password, instead of the password to perform administrative tasks. What can I do in order to solve this problem? |
| 20:39.13 | mot | i was just curious how feasible it'd be. i don't often migrate fileservers to totally different operating systems... |
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| 20:39.43 | stew | Mauna_Loa: what do you mean by "administrative tasks"? can you give an example? |
| 20:39.46 | h3sp4wn | mot: If they are using exchange it wil be a pita |
| 20:39.59 | tacit | How can I share Debian DVD isos on disk to use with apt on other hosts? |
| 20:40.10 | mot | they're not. everybody on campuses uses webmail |
| 20:40.15 | jelly-home | mot: it's feasible. It really depends on what services do you use in addition to the file sharing. |
| 20:40.32 | Mauna_Loa | stew: for instance running the "users and groups", the "update manager", the "login windows", etc |
| 20:40.34 | h3sp4wn | mot: Do you have spare hardware to migrate onto ? |
| 20:40.35 | mot | or at the very least, their outlook client is configured to connect/synch with our imap server (central campus, not in this dept) |
| 20:40.48 | mot | h3sp4wn, yea, i was going to do a couple of test cases on old hardware that was laying around |
| 20:41.29 | h3sp4wn | mot: I think I could do it given 1 spare machine of a decent spec |
| 20:41.50 | mot | yea, i'm going to setup a test box to simulate the necessary environment |
| 20:41.52 | Mauna_Loa | stew: with user mickey the system asks me to introduce the "password to perform administrative tasks (the login password); with minnie the system asks de root password! |
| 20:42.10 | mot | i'm not just going to backup the fileserver and wipe the box and start from the ground up. i'm going to make sure i can do it in as little amount of time as necessary. |
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| 20:42.23 | petemc | mot: do you know exactly what that box is doing? |
| 20:42.24 | stew | Mauna_Loa: is 'admin' listed when minnie runs "groups" in a shell? |
| 20:42.33 | h3sp4wn | mot: You should do the work so that there is no downtime |
| 20:42.44 | h3sp4wn | mot: or its at night or weekend etc |
| 20:42.50 | mot | petemc, not yet, they current IT guy just told me that it's "a file server" |
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| 20:43.03 | mot | well, i was going to do it after-hours, but how would i do it so that there was no downtime? |
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| 20:43.15 | Mauna_Loa | stew: yes it is |
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| 20:43.27 | stew | mot: if all it needs to do is serve files, it is easy. if it needs to be a domain controller which other machines are going to have to join for authentication, it becomes more work |
| 20:43.31 | mot | eventually at some point, there will have to be at least 5 minutes of downtime to swap out the systems |
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| 20:43.41 | mot | true |
| 20:43.49 | mot | the setup they have now is very rudimentary and hackneyed. |
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| 20:44.04 | jelly-home | debian can do rudimentary and hackneyed! |
| 20:44.07 | tarzeau | did you know debian had over 200 teams in 2007? http://krum.ethz.ch/ddc/teams-of-2007.txt |
| 20:44.09 | mot | it is two mid-ranged dell fileservers hooked up to an off-the-shelf linksys hub |
| 20:44.15 | mot | connected to a juniper hardware firewall. |
| 20:44.23 | h3sp4wn | mot: Nah you can write scripts to sync |
| 20:44.28 | mot | that's basically it. the current IT guy is a total moron, and luckily for these people, he's graduating. |
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| 20:45.22 | h3sp4wn | mot: And then get a network engineer to deal with moving the ip's when you are ready |
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| 20:45.34 | mot | h3sp4wn, i'll be doing that, too. |
| 20:45.44 | mot | i'm pretty sure they're static, so it shouldn't be a big deal. |
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| 20:46.25 | geodesic | i just did an apt-get upgrade and apt-get dist-upgrade on my unstable debian-dist. locate disappeared! how do I get it back? |
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| 20:46.48 | cahoot | locate got lost? |
| 20:46.53 | cahoot | ironic |
| 20:46.57 | mot | ldconfig ; updatedb |
| 20:46.57 | stew | geodesic: use apt-file to figure out which package you need to reinstall: /msg dpkg apt-file |
| 20:47.10 | geodesic | ok, thanks :) |
| 20:47.31 | zErOaCid | hi, i'm planning to install debian etch, i have an athlon processor, which arch should i download ? |
| 20:47.37 | stew | zErOaCid: i386 |
| 20:47.44 | zErOaCid | thanks stew |
| 20:48.21 | dkr | I got a thank you in a changelog. one step closer to debian devel. heh |
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| 20:49.11 | dkr | jelly-home: can't use find to find it I guess. :) |
| 20:49.19 | \amethyst | dkr: did you get a patch in? |
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| 20:49.40 | jelly-home | dkr: this is why I don't run sid :-) |
| 20:50.01 | zErOaCid | debian-40r1-i386-kde-CD-1.iso <-- this means that KDE is the default environment? |
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| 20:50.24 | stew | zErOaCid: that means that at the end of the install you ask it to make it a "Desktop" install, the desktop environment it chooses will be KDE |
| 20:50.48 | zErOaCid | great |
| 20:51.22 | zErOaCid | thanks for the info |
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| 20:51.54 | dkr | \amethyst: naw, I was just joking. was just a bug in samples in man pages I reported |
| 20:51.57 | geodesic | stew: how did you mean I should use apt-file? command? |
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| 20:52.32 | stew | geodesic: "apt-file search bin/locate" or "apt-file search bin/updatedb" |
| 20:54.00 | geodesic | stew: ok. I have never used apt-file before, thought it could to magic things like showing-what-files-just-disappeared-from-my-system :) apt-get install locate did the job anyway. strange though. |
| 20:54.12 | dkr | \amethyst: well, technically it was a patch ( for route.1 ). but I don't think documentation patches count. :) |
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| 20:54.30 | jelly-home | apt-get install whatwherenow? |
| 20:54.53 | stew | !depends locate |
| 20:55.00 | dpkg | locate: depends on findutils (>> 4.2.31-1), libc6 (>= 2.7-1) |
| 20:55.07 | jelly-home | they split findutils? bastards! |
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| 20:55.59 | jelly-home | what's this world coming to |
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| 20:56.06 | roxy_ | I got contrib and non-free in my source.list but aptitude can't find nvidia-glx for testing. |
| 20:56.07 | Mauna_Loa | stew: so, there's no way to solve this problem? |
| 20:56.10 | sdubois92-laptop | !kernel |
| 20:56.11 | dpkg | Linux kernel versions, stable: 2.6.23.9, prepatch: 2.6.24-rc3, snapshot: 2.6.24-rc3-git7, 2.4: 2.4.35.4, prepatch: 2.4.36-pre2, 2.2: 2.2.26, prepatch: 2.2.27-rc2, -mm patch: 2.6.24-rc3-mm2 |
| 20:56.30 | abrotman | sdubois92-laptop: msg the bot please |
| 20:56.38 | sdubois92-laptop | abrotman: okay |
| 20:56.43 | roxy_ | on debian.org it is in for stable and unstable but not testing. Which one should I try to install |
| 20:56.45 | stew | Mauna_Loa: i don't know what those programs are that you are trying to run, so i'm probably not the one to ask |
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| 20:57.09 | sdubois92-laptop | abrotman: im trying to uprade to the 2.6.22 kernel. i did apt-get install, do i need to do anything else |
| 20:57.17 | Mauna_Loa | stew: everybody has this problems. Are you saying you don't have these programs? |
| 20:57.22 | abrotman | sdubois92-laptop: in which version of debian? |
| 20:57.27 | sdubois92-laptop | Etch |
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| 20:57.33 | Mauna_Loa | stew: everybody has this programs. Are you saying you don't have these programs? |
| 20:57.34 | abrotman | are you using the kernel from backports.org |
| 20:57.35 | abrotman | ? |
| 20:57.48 | stew | Mauna_Loa: i don't have these programs. i don't know what they are. not everybody has these programs |
| 20:57.55 | sdubois92-laptop | abrotman: yes |
| 20:58.08 | abrotman | did you install it? |
| 20:58.20 | Mauna_Loa | stew: everybody has system -> administration -> update manager |
| 20:58.30 | sdubois92-laptop | abrotman: im following the debian wiki, and it just says to do apt-get install |
| 20:58.34 | Mauna_Loa | stew: everybody has system -> administration -> users and groups |
| 20:58.36 | abrotman | did you ? |
| 20:58.41 | Mauna_Loa | stew: everybody has system -> administration -> login windows |
| 20:58.51 | SpeedyG | Mauna_Loa: I don't |
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| 20:58.54 | Mauna_Loa | stew: everybody has system -> administration -> networking |
| 20:58.57 | stew | Mauna_Loa: no. this is not true. i dont' have "system" |
| 20:58.58 | stew | Mauna_Loa: stop |
| 20:58.58 | sdubois92-laptop | abrotman: i did apt-get install linux-image-2.6.22-3-686 |
| 20:59.06 | sdubois92-laptop | and it went fine |
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| 20:59.22 | abrotman | so what'st he problem? |
| 20:59.35 | sdubois92-laptop | abrotman: do i need to do anything else, or should i be all set to reboot |
| 20:59.41 | Mauna_Loa | stew: so you are not running debian? |
| 20:59.45 | abrotman | should be okay |
| 20:59.48 | stew | Mauna_Loa: yes, i'm running debian |
| 20:59.53 | roxy_ | why are so many nvidia packages for stable and unstable only ? no testing :-) |
| 20:59.58 | sdubois92-laptop | abrotman: thanks again, wish me luck |
| 20:59.59 | stew | Mauna_Loa: i'm not running whatever desktop environment you are |
| 21:00.03 | roxy_ | s/:-)/:-( |
| 21:00.07 | abrotman | roxy_: because it's testing .. things break sometimes .. nvidia is currently broken |
| 21:00.08 | SpeedyG | Mauna_Loa: what your menu looks like, is also dependant on your desktop or windowmanager |
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| 21:00.43 | roxy_ | abrotman: is it working for unstable, or should I try to install with nvidia installer ? |
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| 21:00.55 | Mauna_Loa | ok, but I have this problem every time I want to run a gui adminitrative task |
| 21:00.59 | roxy_ | abrotman: I understand the risk of unstable |
| 21:01.07 | SpeedyG | Mauna_Loa: what problem ? |
| 21:01.41 | Mauna_Loa | I'm running debian lenny. I have two users, both with administrative rights (they are both added to the admin group). Those users are: mickey; minnie. With mickey I can run adminstrative tasks; with minie I can not run administrative tasks (the system asks me to introduce the adminrative password, instead of the password to perform administrative tasks). What can I do in order to solve this problem? |
| 21:01.50 | abrotman | roxy_: i think the current method is to backport the nvidia junk from unstable .. but i'm not 100% sure |
| 21:01.53 | Mauna_Loa | with user mickey the system asks me to introduce the "password to perform administrative tasks (the login password); with minnie the system asks de root password! |
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| 21:02.38 | roxy_ | abrotman: I'll try, thanks. |
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| 21:03.43 | roxy_ | Mauna_Loa: did you check your sudoers file ? |
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| 21:04.39 | Mauna_Loa | roxy_ Yes I did. I have this on sudoers: # Members of the admin group may gain root privileges \ %admin ALL=(ALL) ALL |
| 21:04.46 | blinQ | hi. |
| 21:05.03 | sdubois92-laptop | abrotman: im still loading the 2.6.18 kernel |
| 21:05.13 | sdubois92-laptop | abrotman: do i need to change my lilo config? |
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| 21:06.02 | blinQ | just a short tar question... i have a backup.. when listing the files via "tar -tvf myfile.tar" it shows my files .. they are all there... but when i try "tar -xf myfile.tar" it seems like nothing happens... and i dont get any files extracted. never had this problem before? any idea? |
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| 21:06.32 | abrotman | yes |
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| 21:07.14 | blinQ | dang. sorry. tar archived the full path... :-/ lo |
| 21:07.15 | blinQ | l |
| 21:07.59 | K|NgGh0sT | soooooooo I got nvidia drivers working awesomely, but now my res is at 1680x1050 which is correct, but everything is really really big font wise |
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| 21:08.45 | roxy_ | K|NgGh0sT: are you running testing/stable or unstable ? |
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| 21:09.04 | K|NgGh0sT | unstable |
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| 21:09.29 | roxy_ | K|NgGh0sT: I am tryin to get them to work on testing, not easy :-( |
| 21:09.32 | stew | K|NgGh0sT: what does "xdpyinfo | grep resolution" return? |
| 21:09.55 | K|NgGh0sT | roxy_, that is why I moved to sid |
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| 21:10.20 | K|NgGh0sT | stew, resolution: 129x126 dots per inch |
| 21:10.40 | stew | K|NgGh0sT: yes, that is a very high DPI, you'll want to lower that to 96 |
| 21:10.57 | K|NgGh0sT | stew, do I edit that in xorg? |
| 21:11.09 | h3sp4wn | What if that is what it actually is ? |
| 21:11.11 | stew | K|NgGh0sT: which desktop environment do you use? gnome? |
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| 21:11.16 | K|NgGh0sT | kde |
| 21:11.19 | sdubois92-laptop | does anyone know what i need to change in lilo.conf for the 2.6.22 kernel to load |
| 21:11.19 | roxy_ | K|NgGh0sT: does twinwiew works well ? |
| 21:11.19 | WildZeck | hi all |
| 21:11.29 | Usiu | stew, Do you know how to change scripts extensions with quilt? |
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| 21:11.54 | stew | Usiu: what do you mean? you mean like rename files? |
| 21:12.05 | WildZeck | what is the command to launch the test interface to select all the software at the beginig of a debian install please ? |
| 21:12.11 | Usiu | stew, yes.. |
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| 21:12.24 | WildZeck | s/test/text |
| 21:12.29 | Usiu | stew, well upstream archive has .sh scripts :( |
| 21:12.47 | Usiu | stew, and I get lintain warnings about that |
| 21:12.48 | stew | Usiu: just mv them in the install target |
| 21:12.50 | K|NgGh0sT | stew, I use KDE, so do i edit the DPI in xorg.conf? |
| 21:12.56 | robboplus | hello folks.. i'm trying to understand udev tonight... any help? :) |
| 21:12.57 | stew | K|NgGh0sT: i dont' know |
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| 21:13.02 | Usiu | stew, good idea |
| 21:13.30 | robboplus | i installed that by mistake on etch and i'm very afraid that my box won't boot after restart... happened before on some other box with udev |
| 21:13.34 | stew | Usiu: (and then make sure than anyone that was trying to call the .sh gets patched to hit the right file) |
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| 21:13.51 | Usiu | stew, yes |
| 21:13.58 | K|NgGh0sT | ah sweet |
| 21:14.03 | K|NgGh0sT | I got compviz working |
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| 21:15.26 | h3sp4wn | K|NgGh0sT: You can use - /Option "DPI" "96x96"/ and /Option"UseEdidDpi" "0"/ (those 2 remove the /'s) |
| 21:15.35 | robboplus | can someone please advice me on the relation between udev and sata drives? i heard that udev can cause a change in the way my drives will be seen in the system thus system won't boot without some change that i have no idea about, anyone please? |
| 21:15.54 | K|NgGh0sT | I love you all |
| 21:16.04 | K|NgGh0sT | h3sp4wn, under screen? |
| 21:16.29 | stew | robboplus: are you upgrading kernels? |
| 21:16.44 | h3sp4wn | K|NgGh0sT: I use device but iirc it doesn't matter to the nvidia driver |
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| 21:18.08 | K|NgGh0sT | Thanks boss |
| 21:18.41 | robboplus | stew actually i didn't upgrade, just did something that added udev to my system |
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| 21:18.54 | stew | robboplus: what does "uname -r" say? |
| 21:18.58 | robboplus | just a sec |
| 21:19.08 | robboplus | 2.6.21-2-k7 |
| 21:19.20 | robboplus | i really need to reboot and i'm scared to hell |
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| 21:19.27 | robboplus | as box may not come up again |
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| 21:19.39 | robboplus | had that prob once in some virtual machine |
| 21:19.42 | stew | robboplus: i don't see why udev would change names of sata drives without changing kernel versions. it is very likely to rename ethernet interfaces though |
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| 21:19.49 | stew | robboplus: why don't you just remove udev? |
| 21:19.57 | robboplus | hm |
| 21:20.10 | stew | robboplus: (if you do, make sure to rebuild your initrd before you reboot) |
| 21:20.31 | robboplus | stew i tried to remove but it also tried to rollback kernel then... which i don't really want |
| 21:20.33 | stew | as it is likely that your initrd was created by initramfs-tools which requires udev |
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| 21:20.50 | simonrvn | *sigh* |
| 21:20.54 | robboplus | i will show you what it says if you don't mind... |
| 21:21.01 | stew | robboplus: are you sure that you weren't already running udev when you booted this kernel? |
| 21:21.19 | mxktmdude | hi guys, im having troubles with my server, i am unable to ping the domain name, but i can ping the ip address. can someone give me some ideas on how to troubleshoot this issue? |
| 21:21.22 | stew | robboplus: can you find when udev was installed in /var/log/dpkg.log? |
| 21:21.45 | stew | mxktmdude: what is the domain name? |
| 21:21.46 | robboplus | http://pastebin.ca/804883 <--this is some major mess up.. i don't want to screw up the system.. |
| 21:21.52 | mxktmdude | stew, lwp.ca |
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| 21:22.01 | robboplus | stew ok checking the log now |
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| 21:22.14 | robboplus | and no, i wasn't using udev before |
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| 21:23.14 | robboplus | mindstorm:~# cat /var/log/dpkg.log.1|grep udev |
| 21:23.14 | robboplus | 2007-11-22 06:53:48 upgrade udev 0.105-4 0.114-2 |
| 21:23.31 | robboplus | so that's like really recent install |
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| 21:23.47 | SRabbelier | Heya, I am trying to get my wireless card working for my IMB ThinkPad T60, I installed madwifi driver but now I don't know how to make it connect to my network, what step is next? |
| 21:23.53 | robboplus | 2007-11-22 06:53:48 status half-configured udev 0.105-4 |
| 21:23.53 | robboplus | 2007-11-22 06:53:48 status unpacked udev 0.105-4 |
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| 21:24.03 | robboplus | that's what i really don't get at all.. |
| 21:24.07 | chops | mxktmdude: I can't ping that hostname either. It's possible that you haven't set up your DNS properly with your provider, or that your DNS provider is having trouble. |
| 21:24.16 | crooksey | Just setup debian LAMP stack server, now i need some help on setting it up... |
| 21:24.28 | crooksey | For example, where would my deafult htdocs fodler be? |
| 21:24.28 | stew | mxktmdude: so your domain lists two nameservers, "ns.motocrosscanada.ca -> 216.208.38.144" and "ns3.bellglobal.com -> 198.235.216.130". however. if i run "host ns.motocrosscanada.ca" i get a failure resolving that name, which is a problem. if i try to run "nslookup lwp.ca 198.235.216.130" it appears that no DNS server is even running on that ip address |
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| 21:24.32 | chops | robboplus: That's a really recent upgrade, not a really recent fresh install. |
| 21:24.35 | mxktmdude | chops, it was working fine up to a couple days ago |
| 21:24.53 | WildZeck | it was tasksel |
| 21:24.54 | WildZeck | thks |
| 21:25.00 | chops | mxktmdude: I would talk to your DNS provider |
| 21:25.07 | chops | mxktmdude: If I were you |
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| 21:26.35 | stew | robboplus: that's a recent upgrade. that indicates that you were already running udev, not installing it for the first time |
| 21:26.40 | stew | robboplus: is the yaird pacakge installed? |
| 21:26.40 | mxktmdude | chops, stew, so you dont think it would be a software issue in my server? i had talked to the guy that is colocating our server and he said its probably a problem with my server. also i dont think that ns3.bellglobal.com ever worked :/ |
| 21:26.51 | robboplus | chops, stew: in fact.. that's upgrade, but please note that it said half-configured... like it wasn't running then, right? |
| 21:27.05 | stew | mxktmdude: no, this has nothing at all to do with yoru server. your DNS information at the registrar is incorrect |
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| 21:27.22 | chops | robboplus: No, half-configured is a state that every package passes through while it is being upgraded, I believe. |
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| 21:27.33 | robboplus | stew not really sure about yaird, how can i check in the quickest way? |
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| 21:27.58 | stew | robboplus: you really shouldn't be running sid on a server. especially if you don't know how to do basic things like see if a package is installed |
| 21:27.59 | chops | robboplus: It was certainly installed before then, and "installed but not running" is not a state that Debian supports where udev is concerned to my knowledge. |
| 21:28.13 | robboplus | chops so you mean udev 105 was running while apt requested an upgrade and then it went tru that half-configured state to become 114, aye? |
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| 21:28.19 | chops | mxktmdude: What is the IP address of your server? |
| 21:28.25 | stew | if you have a kenrel < 2.6.15 you end up with udev installed but not running |
| 21:28.40 | chops | stew: Interesting |
| 21:28.47 | mxktmdude | chops, 216.208.38.144 |
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| 21:29.08 | robboplus | stew so that's the case with < 2.6.15 only? i'm 75% sure that it was same with me on 2.6.21 |
| 21:29.32 | mxktmdude | chops, host ns.motocrosscanada.ca is pointing to my server. its been working this way for about 2 years until now |
| 21:29.36 | chops | mxktmdude: Okay, so it looks like you're doing your own name resolution on your server, then. No? Is the DNS server on your server running properly? |
| 21:29.37 | robboplus | i did df -h many times.. and udev just wasn't there imho |
| 21:29.51 | stew | df -h? what does that have to do with udev? |
| 21:29.53 | joey[] | I've got couple of PATHs that I need to export for certain app every time I login. Where can I place it so it's exported global automatically? |
| 21:29.57 | stew | robboplus: is yaird installed? |
| 21:30.07 | stew | robboplus: are you running a debian compiled kernel? |
| 21:30.07 | robboplus | stew it just shows up in there which caught my attention |
| 21:30.26 | robboplus | how can i check if yaird is installed? i rarely do checks like this |
| 21:30.30 | mxktmdude | chops, i run bind9 debian sarge and when i stop start bind9 i get no error messages |
| 21:30.37 | robboplus | yes, debian kernel |
| 21:30.51 | stew | robboplus: "dpkg -l yaird" |
| 21:30.57 | robboplus | i need that, thank you - checking |
| 21:31.07 | abrotman | joey[]: you don't want to do that globally .. just use your .bash_profile or .profile |
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| 21:31.18 | stew | robboplus: well if you have a debian kernel, you must either have had yaird installed when that kernel was installed, or a working udev |
| 21:31.34 | robboplus | stew it said that version is none so i assume it's not installed |
| 21:31.37 | joey[] | abrotman: ok, but another user has to run same app which requires those exports ... |
| 21:31.47 | geodesic | when I changed from ati to fglrx driver my fonts in became bigger (e.g. message windows in mozilla). how do I change that? |
| 21:31.47 | abrotman | okay .. so tell him to do the same |
| 21:31.51 | robboplus | oh that you mean |
| 21:32.01 | ks | how do I run script on shutdown or reboot ? should I put it somewhere into /etc/init.d ? |
| 21:32.16 | robboplus | stew then if we just confirmed that yaird is not there... udev had to be running in your opinion? |
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| 21:32.55 | mxktmdude | chops, yes i am doing my own name resolution |
| 21:33.13 | joey[] | abrotman: actually another user isn't real, he's another app ;) |
| 21:33.14 | chops | mxktmdude: Hm, your DNS server seems to be running properly, yes, and it properly resolves lwp.ca |
| 21:33.19 | ks | need to correctly umount my filesystem. when i just do reboot it doesn't have enough time and data sometimes is corrupted |
| 21:33.22 | abrotman | joey[]: okay .. and? |
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| 21:33.25 | joey[] | and I dont wish it to reboot |
| 21:33.33 | joey[] | so he can reload him .bashrc |
| 21:33.36 | mxktmdude | chops, how did you test that? |
| 21:33.49 | valdyn | ks: what kind of filesystem would that be that takes that much time to unmount? |
| 21:33.49 | chops | mxktmdude: dig @216.208.38.144 lwp.ca |
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| 21:34.04 | ks | valdyn fuse-based |
| 21:34.12 | chops | ks: And what kind of reboot script do you have that doesn't wait for the fs to umount completely before rebooting? That seems wrong. |
| 21:34.22 | jelly-home | !info pine |
| 21:34.24 | geodesic | ks: put them in /etc/init.d and then a symlink in /etc/rc2.d (boot), /etc/rc0.d/ (halt) /etc/rc6.d/ (reboot) |
| 21:34.25 | valdyn | ks: i'd think it should unmount almost instantly after you ran 'sync' |
| 21:34.33 | ks | it isn't that slow, but just need to make sure it is done |
| 21:34.48 | abrotman | jelly-home: alpine ? |
| 21:34.51 | mxktmdude | chops, im at a total loss because its as if my ISP cached the dns info and all the people who host on my server cannot access their sites. to me everything looks fine hehe, driving me crazy |
| 21:34.54 | alvarezp | guys, a quickie: any way for tcpdump to capture for 3 minutes? |
| 21:34.57 | jelly-home | abrotman: Pine now uses apache-like license, it could be in Debian! |
| 21:34.57 | abrotman | !info alpine sid |
| 21:34.59 | dpkg | alpine: (Text-based email client, friendly for novices but powerful), section mail, is optional. Version: 0.99999+dfsg-1 (sid), Packaged size: 2681 kB, Installed size: 5964 kB |
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| 21:35.37 | ks | chops it is stock reboot |
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| 21:35.45 | chops | mxktmdude: So according to "dig +trace lwp.ca", the problem is that the "ns.motocrosscanada.ca" server can't be found. |
| 21:35.48 | ks | geodesic thanks |
| 21:35.52 | jelly-home | abrotman: that could be it, yeah |
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| 21:36.47 | geodesic | ks: if you look in the directories, the number tells you in what order the scripts runs |
| 21:36.47 | Tramp | mxktmdude: did you renew your domain? tha .ca nameservers don't know it and the whois-record shows "Renewal-Date: 2007/12/01" |
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| 21:37.01 | Tramp | mxktmdude: so I guess you may have a problem here. |
| 21:37.11 | chops | mxktmdude: Looks like motocrosscanada.ca is not a valid domain. Ah, yes, what Tramp said. |
| 21:37.17 | stew | robboplus: yes. and you can verify that your initrd uses udev pretty easily |
| 21:37.27 | ks | geodesic what's the order for rc6 ? 1 to 99 or 99 to 1 ? |
| 21:37.42 | mxktmdude | chops, Tramp ahhhh i see it |
| 21:37.45 | Tramp | mxktmdude: So you have to check with your doman-registrar to get it running again. |
| 21:38.15 | stew | robboplus: see if "zcat /boot/initrd.img-$(uname -r) | cpio -p - 2>&1| grep udev" returns any matches. if it does, you have been running udev at least since you installed this kernel |
| 21:38.20 | robboplus | stew hm.. |
| 21:38.25 | mxktmdude | Tramp, chops thanks! i will look into this, as i dont personally own the domain... wow this aint good haha |
| 21:38.32 | Tramp | mxktmdude: and, btw, ns3.bellglobal.com is running a fine nameserver but just not for you 8) |
| 21:38.35 | robboplus | stew great hint.. many thanks, trying that now |
| 21:40.00 | robboplus | stew it spitted out lots of crap and all is ending with No such file or directory |
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| 21:40.00 | mxktmdude | Tramp, what should i do about that.. they gave me that name server and from day one it hasnt worked for me lol |
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| 21:41.00 | stew | robboplus: i might have told you the wrong command. you can do this: "mkdir /tmp/initrd ; cd /tmp/initrd ; zcat /boot/initrd.img-$(uname -r) | cpio -i" that will extract your initrd into /tmp/initrd. then you can check for udev with "grep udev /tmp/initrd/init" |
| 21:41.05 | Tramp | mxktmdude: Weird. Usually you name the nameservers when you register the domain - dunno how this works in Canada though, I have to admint |
| 21:41.19 | stew | robboplus: you'll want to remove the /tmp/initrd directory when you are finished |
| 21:41.26 | robboplus | stew thank you once again, testing now |
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| 21:43.22 | chops | mxktmdude: I would advise you to ask your DNS provider to remove the NS records for both ns.motocrosscanada.ca and ns3.bellglobal.com, and just leave an NS record pointing directly to your server. Regardless, you should talk to them about the ultimate solution. |
| 21:43.44 | robboplus | stew: http://pastebin.ca/804903 |
| 21:43.53 | tarzeau | has someone got a machine with 5+ gb memory? |
| 21:44.08 | robboplus | tarzeau i'm getting 6 gigs one very soon... |
| 21:44.16 | robboplus | should i expect troubles? :) |
| 21:44.29 | tarzeau | robboplus: i'll get two with 8gb each soon.... but i wanted to test something now |
| 21:44.32 | stew | robboplus: that's definitive. your current kernel would not boot WITHOUT udev |
| 21:44.42 | jelly-home | tarzeau: the ones I have access to run 64bit RHEL |
| 21:44.48 | tarzeau | jelly-home: doesn't matter :) |
| 21:44.54 | robboplus | stew wish i could interpret that like you did... many thanks for this |
| 21:44.56 | tarzeau | robboplus: btw do you know the game: gnu robbo? |
| 21:45.07 | tarzeau | jelly-home: #213544 |
| 21:45.13 | robboplus | tarzeau he he i don't but i will get to know it soon ;) |
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| 21:45.31 | robboplus | i might become gnurobboplus since that moment on lol |
| 21:46.18 | robboplus | stew so i was pretty wrong assuming that udev just wasn't there... and since my kernel didn't change in last 2 months... i should NOT worry and GO for reboot anytime, is this what you are saying stew? |
| 21:46.38 | sdubois92-laptop | i install the 2.6.22 kernel through apt-get, but when i booted, it loaded 2.6.18. what do i need to redit in lilo.conf for 2.6.22 to load |
| 21:47.01 | jelly-home | tarzeau: Hm, don't want to run something that allocates >4GB mem on prod. servers ;-) |
| 21:47.10 | robboplus | tarzeau congratulations on dual 8GB system.. hope i will get to that point some day :) |
| 21:47.11 | stew | robboplus: that's what I'm saying. I'm also saying that you are crazy for running debian unstable on a server |
| 21:47.17 | dondelelcaro | tarzeau: you could just run it on merkel |
| 21:47.52 | tarzeau | dondelelcaro: i have a login there? |
| 21:47.56 | robboplus | stew ok i have to admit... i actually have a mix of stable and unstable (which is actually pretty stable with 80+ days uptime) |
| 21:48.05 | tarzeau | robboplus: quad cores :) |
| 21:48.13 | robboplus | tarzeau aaargh.. |
| 21:48.22 | jelly-home | tarzeau: gonna do some heavy math, huh? |
| 21:48.32 | tarzeau | jelly-home: i will call you jelly-home-samurai if you do |
| 21:48.37 | robboplus | that's one hell of a pron site, tarzeau :) |
| 21:48.41 | stew | robboplus: sounds very bad |
| 21:48.47 | tarzeau | jelly-home: yeah render 3d comics |
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| 21:49.00 | dondelelcaro | tarzeau: well, someone could test it there for you |
| 21:49.02 | jelly-home | so it IS porn |
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| 21:49.11 | tarzeau | dondelelcaro: like. you? |
| 21:49.40 | robboplus | stew i really needed to add something that didn't exist in stable... my box still IS stable, just with some packages taken from unstable |
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| 21:49.53 | chops | robboplus: You know there's been a kernel security upgrade less than 80 days ago, right? :-) |
| 21:49.55 | jelly-home | robboplus: your box isn't stable. |
| 21:50.05 | robboplus | stew i will do a clean install though soon. and never such thing again |
| 21:50.17 | chops | robboplus: Also, do you know about backports? They are a better approach than pulling in from unstable. |
| 21:50.18 | stew | robboplus: this is a very bad idea. you should in the future use a backport instead of upgrading your system to unstable: /msg dpkg backports |
| 21:50.55 | robboplus | chops i'm sure that i missed that... and about backports - it didn't do the job, i tried |
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| 21:50.57 | chops | robboplus: "stable" in Debian releases means "unchanging", not "uncrashing". |
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| 21:51.23 | chops | robboplus: Also it means security upgrades, of course |
| 21:51.30 | E-bola | I just installed the bind9 server on etch, i got 2 boxes that both need a local caching server. Is it possible for the 2 servers to share the cache? |
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| 21:51.43 | robboplus | stew i didn't really upgrade, all i did was.. i took newer kernel from unstable to test something and it actually worked fine and solved my problem |
| 21:51.56 | chops | E-bola: FWIW, you might want to look into dnsmasq -- it's a lightweight DNS caching server without all the configuration and heavyweightness of bind9 |
| 21:52.11 | stew | robboplus: except you also, in the process, upgraded a bunch of core libraries |
| 21:52.14 | robboplus | chops hm. |
| 21:52.19 | robboplus | stew yes... |
| 21:52.42 | E-bola | chops: dnsmasq doesnt support what i need |
| 21:52.43 | robboplus | stew some people say that it was crazy, some also say that i was just lucky not to break up everything |
| 21:52.52 | stew | so far |
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| 21:53.25 | robboplus | stew but it really works, i know it was a horrible thing to do.. still it solved the problem i was having |
| 21:53.41 | becks` | hi, what's the easiest way to create bash scripts with "menus"? (so people can e.g. scroll trough options) |
| 21:54.00 | dondelelcaro | becks`: use whiptail or similar |
| 21:54.00 | chops | robboplus: It's your server, you can do whatever you like. |
| 21:54.04 | robboplus | chops it's fine :) the only concern was about this udev thing which i REALLY am scared of |
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| 21:54.13 | becks` | ok, thanks dondelelcaro |
| 21:54.30 | dondelelcaro | becks`: though you generally should avoid menus in favor of command line options in most cases |
| 21:54.38 | robboplus | chops let's say that one wasn't in full production mode... just kind of gaining experience and experimenting a bit |
| 21:54.44 | dondelelcaro | (people who use your scripts (yourself?) more than once will thank you for it) |
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| 21:55.21 | mxktmdude | chops, Tramp just want to thank you again :) its been handled and will be back and working in a bit |
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| 21:55.27 | chops | mxktmdude: np |
| 21:55.28 | robboplus | i'm not really sure why it still works after mixing call libraries though... |
| 21:55.32 | gordboy | and this *especially* applies here, since you let those *animals* into debconf2007 - scotlug : the scottish legalize underage group (paedophiles). their next meeting, at the Counting House in Glasgow, will be picketed by several thousand activists. paedophiles will not be tolerated on freenode. but they especially will not be tolerated in Glasgow. i'm hoping the main players will be hanged in public |
| 21:55.34 | robboplus | core* |
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| 21:56.19 | robboplus | what's wrong with that guy? :) |
| 21:56.25 | dondelelcaro | no clue |
| 21:56.42 | sdubois92-laptop | i install the 2.6.22 kernel through apt-get, but when i booted, it loaded 2.6.18. what do i need to redit in lilo.conf for 2.6.22 to load |
| 21:56.50 | chops | sdubois92-laptop: man lilo.conf |
| 21:56.50 | dondelelcaro | esp. since whoever he's talking about wasn't at Debconf this year. |
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| 21:57.20 | sdubois92-laptop | chops: how do you exit out of man |
| 21:57.27 | chops | sdubois92-laptop: Or just edit it, the format is relatively straightforward. Make sure to keep a boot disk in case of mistakes. |
| 21:57.30 | chops | sdubois92-laptop: q |
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| 22:12.54 | ninan | hi. i have two boxes, one with debian 3.1 and one with debian 4.0 I need to migrate my cyrus imapd installation from the 3.1 box to the 4.0 box. unfortunally cyrus on 3.1 seems to be linked against db 4.3 and the debian 4.0 box? cyrus is linked against db4.2. how can i transfer this data? |
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| 22:13.29 | petemc | ninan: imapsync |
| 22:13.45 | abrotman | ninan: the docs for cyrus probably cover this also |
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| 22:17.34 | ninan | petemc, that works only if i know the passwords of al accounts, right? |
| 22:18.23 | ninan | abrotman, are you sure? I did not found anything about downgrading the db version |
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| 22:19.46 | johndoevodka | wireless working after 3 days of pain :-) |
| 22:20.12 | petemc | ninan: well, with dovecot you can set a master password, not sure if you can do same with cyrus |
| 22:20.17 | abrotman | ninan: let me check .. i use cyrus |
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| 22:20.56 | wols_ | petemc: cyrus uses an account |
| 22:21.03 | stew | cyrus on sarge should be depending on libdb3 not libdb4 |
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| 22:21.11 | petemc | wols_: ? |
| 22:21.12 | abrotman | ninan: ah .. it has an UPGRADE.Debian.gz .. but tha'ts for versions in debian lready |
| 22:21.27 | abrotman | ninan: are you using the newest version of cyrus imap in sarge? |
| 22:21.29 | wols_ | petemc: for administration cyrus uses a system account. usually "cyrus" |
| 22:21.46 | petemc | wols_: can that account log in as any user? |
| 22:21.51 | stew | !depends cyrus-common sarge |
| 22:21.55 | dpkg | cyrus-common: depends on exim4 | mail-transport-agent, adduser (>= 3.9), dpkg (>= 1.8.3), libc6 (>= 2.3.2.ds1-21), libcomerr2 (>= 1.33-3), libdb3 (>= 3.2.9-22), libpam0g (>= 0.76) |
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| 22:22.03 | stew | libdb3 (>= 3.2.9-22) |
| 22:22.15 | wols_ | petemc: you are root and su to cyrus usually. then you can run the admin program cyradm and do whateevr you do |
| 22:22.41 | abrotman | cyrus21-imapd or whatever it is |
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| 22:22.56 | petemc | wols_: does any of this apply to the question of using imapsync to migrate mail? |
| 22:22.57 | wols_ | abrotman: cyrus is cyrus 1.5 which is not supported anymore for a long time |
| 22:23.21 | wols_ | petemc: it applies to ... not sure if you can do same with cyrus |
| 22:23.30 | abrotman | wols_: there's also a cyrus21 in sarge |
| 22:23.39 | stew | cyrus 1.5 is still supported |
| 22:23.51 | wols_ | stew: from upstream? |
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| 22:24.13 | petemc | wols_: how so? can this cyrus user perform an imap login as any user without knowing their password? |
| 22:24.17 | stew | wols_: i don't know about upstream |
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| 22:24.30 | stew | cyrus21 in sarge is also depending on libdb3 not libdb4 |
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| 22:24.44 | Ramattack | Hi |
| 22:24.50 | stew | ninan: what version of cyrus is the 3.1 box running? |
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| 22:25.03 | wols_ | petemc: it can access all mailboxes I think. after all it creates them, sets quotas etc |
| 22:25.05 | Ramattack | what's the difference on doing a sysctl or echo value to a /proc file? |
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| 22:34.20 | ninan | abrotman, stew on 3.1 it runs 2.2.13-8~bpo1 |
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| 22:35.18 | ninan | abrotman, stew for some reason it is linked to db4.3 which is newer than db4.2 on edge |
| 22:35.20 | stew | ninan: that one depdnds on libdb4.2 not 4.3 |
| 22:35.27 | crooksey | If i want to give the user "crooksey" full read and write within /var/www/ what command would i use tod this, chown? |
| 22:35.39 | plb | I'm trying to use hal + gnome-volume-manager + banshee to manage my ipod and I can't seem to get hal + gnome-volume-manager to automatically mount the ipod and once I mount it manually banshee doesn't see it |
| 22:35.56 | kgoetz | crooksey: you could, but why would you want to? |
| 22:35.58 | ninan | stew unfortunally not :libdb-4.3.so => /usr/lib/libdb-4.3.so (0x40046000) |
| 22:36.26 | crooksey | because, i dont want to root my connection each time |
| 22:36.40 | kgoetz | waht? |
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| 22:37.20 | crooksey | kgoetz, i have added a icon on my desktop to connect via ssh to /var/www/ on my server, i would rather do this under a normal user than root |
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| 22:37.43 | Hobbeswalsh | Hey - I am wondering how I can add users and groups as part of a dpkg -i <my_custom_package> |
| 22:37.53 | stew | ninan: which binary gives you that? |
| 22:37.56 | plb | any ideas why hal + g-v-m wouldn't be automatically mounting my ipod |
| 22:37.58 | kgoetz | crooksey: why connect to /var/www? why not create ~/public_html in the user home? |
| 22:38.23 | kgoetz | Hobbeswalsh: add it to the postinst/preinst perhaps. |
| 22:38.39 | crooksey | kgoetz, beacuse its too late for me to think of an easy solution :) |
| 22:38.41 | Hobbeswalsh | kgoetz: anywhere I can read about the syntax and such? |
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| 22:38.53 | kgoetz | crooksey: hehe |
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| 22:39.17 | itrebal | is it possible to determine if a package was installed via apt-get or a local package? |
| 22:39.22 | kgoetz | Hobbeswalsh: new maintainers guide perhaps. i forget the factoid |
| 22:39.24 | kgoetz | !nmg |
| 22:39.25 | dpkg | well, nmg is Debian New Maintainers' Guide, Debian Policy Manual and Debian Developer's Reference are the documents you need to read, in that order, to make packages for the Debian project. http://www.debian.org/devel/ |
| 22:39.26 | itrebal | (ie: something in my home directory) |
| 22:39.27 | ninan | stew ldd /usr/lib/cyrus/bin/imapd |
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| 22:40.22 | mbroeker | itrebal, use aptitude. it has a nice ncurses window to find that out. |
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| 22:41.17 | stew | ninan: yeah, it links against libdb-4.2.so with the packages from backports.org, so perhaps you rebuilt it locally? |
| 22:41.59 | itrebal | bleh, I hate Aptitude |
| 22:42.09 | zstars | Is there any way to apt-get a testing version of g++? |
| 22:42.21 | stew | zstars: why do you want to? |
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| 22:42.30 | zstars | The standard "latest" version has some annoying bug which isn't letting me compile something :( |
| 22:42.39 | stew | zstars: what bug? |
| 22:42.56 | zstars | Dunno, it throws some "internal error" |
| 22:43.23 | stew | zstars: have you tried all of the available versions in stable? |
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| 22:45.00 | zstars | hmm |
| 22:45.02 | zstars | Not really |
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| 22:45.14 | [n00b]Shadow | http://www.microsoft.com/windowsserver/compare/default.mspx |
| 22:45.16 | [n00b]Shadow | lol? |
| 22:45.18 | zstars | How would I go about installing a different version? I'm not exactly pro at linux :) |
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| 22:45.32 | zstars | Can it be done with apt-get or similar? |
| 22:45.33 | dondelelcaro | zstars: you can start with make CC=gcc-2.95 or similar; |
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| 22:45.56 | dondelelcaro | zstars: or whatever other version of gcc (3.4?) you have installed. You can install different versions using apt-get or aptitude. |
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| 22:46.08 | ninan | stew probably you are right. if i remember right i need to since i had the same problem when i migrated from fedora core 5 to debian 3.1. fedora used db4.3. so is it possible to downgrad db4.3 to db4.2? |
| 22:46.28 | plb | holy crap my neighbors house had a gas leak today and the fire gutted it |
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| 22:47.19 | Usiu | stew, how to install mapage from inside of debian/ dir? |
| 22:47.24 | abrotman | plb: it's all pete's fault |
| 22:47.38 | plb | abrotman: again? |
| 22:47.48 | Usiu | stew, calling dh_installman and adding program.8 file is not sufficient |
| 22:47.51 | abrotman | plb: ignore |
| 22:48.25 | stew | Usiu: dh_installlman debian/program.8 |
| 22:48.35 | Usiu | hmm I'll try that |
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| 22:49.16 | themill | Usiu: or list the man page in the debian/manpages or debian/packagename.manpages file |
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| 22:49.36 | themill | Usiu: and then call dh_installman (optionally with the -a argument) |
| 22:49.50 | Usiu | themill, yes I found it in dh_installman manual but I needed only one man.. |
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| 22:50.31 | solid_liq | what package do I need to install to get my kernel config? |
| 22:50.37 | zstars | Sorry, what would be the command to install, for example, gcc 4.0? |
| 22:50.48 | themill | solid_liq: it's in /boot/config-$(uname -r) |
| 22:50.57 | solid_liq | themill, oh yeah, thanks! :) |
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| 22:53.00 | themill | np |
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| 22:53.15 | solid_liq | themill, uh hmm, module-assist is looking for a linux/config.h (or the package it's building, rather), but that's not the same file, is it? |
| 22:53.27 | stew | zstars: 4.0 is no longer available since it was replaced by 4.1 |
| 22:53.49 | themill | solid_liq: you should m-a prepare -- that will get everything ready for m-a |
| 22:53.56 | zstars | Do you know any available version which isn't 4.1.2? :( |
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| 22:54.07 | solid_liq | themill, oh ok, thanks! |
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| 22:54.44 | solid_liq | themill, hmm, still same error |
| 22:55.02 | stew | zstars: g++-4.1 or g++-3.4 or g++-3.3 or g++-2.95 |
| 22:55.06 | themill | solid_liq: can you pastebin the entire output for us? |
| 22:55.10 | solid_liq | themill, /usr/src/modules/ov511/ov511_core.c:29:26: error: linux/config.h: No such file or directory |
| 22:55.23 | solid_liq | themill, if you'd like, sure |
| 22:56.18 | zstars | Ty, gonna try 3.4 |
| 22:57.02 | stew | zstars: wait, what version of debian are you running? |
| 22:57.11 | stew | i figured stable, but if he has gcc 4.1.2 its not stable |
| 22:58.03 | solid_liq | themill, http://rafb.net/p/OPTYZy30.html |
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| 22:58.41 | blinQ | anyone knows what could be the reason for apache2 not starting on boot, but starting fine manually via /etc/init.d/apache2 start ? NO_START param is set = 0 |
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| 22:59.07 | stew | solid_liq: which release are you running? gutsy? |
| 22:59.09 | wols_ | blinQ: is apache symlinked in /etc/rc2.d/? |
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| 22:59.56 | solid_liq | stew, on this one, yeah |
| 23:00.20 | stew | solid_liq: please go to #ubuntu for help with ubuntu |
| 23:00.40 | solid_liq | stew, sorry, all my other machines are debian, so I'm used to coming here |
| 23:01.13 | themill | solid_liq: the ov511-source package doesn't look like it has been debianised properly. This line isn't a good one: INCLUDEDIR=/usr/src/linux/include. Ask #ubuntu how to fix their packages ;) |
| 23:01.33 | solid_liq | themill, k, if any of them actually know heh |
| 23:01.33 | blinQ | wols_: no. shouldn't the symlink there be created automatically during apt-get installation? |
| 23:01.45 | solid_liq | themill, thanks |
| 23:02.07 | wols_ | blinQ: usually it is but didn't you run apache1 before and had both installed? |
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| 23:02.28 | wols_ | blinQ: /etc/rc2.d/S91apache2 -> ../init.d/apache2 |
| 23:02.35 | themill | solid_liq: np. There's a slim chance that putting in a /usr/src/linux symlink will fix that, but that's really sloppy stuff and should neither be done nor needed these days. |
| 23:02.39 | blinQ | wols_: no not on this system. its a clean install. strange |
| 23:02.46 | blinQ | thanks for the symlink info :-) |
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| 23:03.53 | solid_liq | themill, alright, thanks! |
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| 23:05.50 | solid_liq | hmm nope |
| 23:06.50 | sdubois92-laptop | I installed the 2.6.22 kernel, edited my lilo.conf so it boots the appropriate files in /boot, but when i rebooted, it still loaded 2.6.18 | http://pastebin.com/m79178ef4 |
| 23:07.17 | blinQ | wols_: whats wrong with? ln -s S91apache2 ../init.d/apache2 |
| 23:07.31 | Tramp | sdubois92-laptop: ... and you ran /sbin/lilo, right? |
| 23:07.47 | wols_ | blinQ: you get an error message |
| 23:07.49 | solid_liq | sdubois92-laptop, you have to reinstall lilo |
| 23:08.15 | solid_liq | sdubois92-laptop, lilo doesn't read its config from /boot on boot like grub does |
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| 23:08.18 | blinQ | wols_: it tells me "file exists" but there is no s91apache2 in /etc/rc2.d |
| 23:08.27 | sdubois92-laptop | Tramp: i just ran /sbin/lilo. now reboot? |
| 23:08.40 | Tramp | sdubois92-laptop: yep |
| 23:08.58 | sdubois92-laptop | Tramp: wish me luck ;) |
| 23:09.04 | themill | blinQ: ln -s source destination <= not the other way around |
| 23:09.05 | stew | blinQ: you can't create a symlink named /etc/init.d/apache2 becuase there is already a file with that name. you want to reverse the arguments probably |
| 23:09.49 | wols_ | blinQ: ln -s ../init.d/apache2 S91apache2 |
| 23:10.02 | Tramp | funny. even pastebined the lilo.conf with the big "!! Reminder !!"-message right at the top .... |
| 23:10.07 | blinQ | themill / stew / wols_: uhoh. thanks. i guess its just to late (gmt+1). better going to bed know. thank you :-) |
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| 23:10.14 | wols_ | blinQ: ln [OPTION]... [-T] TARGET LINK_NAME |
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| 23:12.03 | vvd | hello, do SXXwhatever links in runelvels 0 and 6 actually get called with stop? i have umount script links in rc0 and rc6 with an "S"-prefix, but the scripts implement "start" with no-op. i am confused ^^) |
| 23:12.18 | K|NgGh0sT | How do I install sudo? |
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| 23:12.27 | stew | K|NgGh0sT: aptitude install sudo |
| 23:12.32 | pickcoder | need suggestions for ATX AMD motherboard. Looking to focus on high-speed disk I/O in a remote backup server. |
| 23:13.22 | stew | vvd: S links get 'start' K links get 'stop' |
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| 23:13.57 | vvd | stew: yeah, but the start in umountroot is a no-op. but i have SXXumountroot in rc6.d |
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| 23:14.31 | stew | vvd: then you should expect that symlink to be a no-op, since it means umountroot would be called with start |
| 23:14.50 | sarixe | hi, does anyone know where ipod touch would be in /dev? |
| 23:15.01 | sarixe | (i'm trying to mount it... |
| 23:15.03 | sarixe | ) |
| 23:15.05 | vvd | stew: but shouldnt it do something on reboot/shutdown? |
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| 23:15.34 | vvd | stew: i thought it re-mounts / read-only |
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| 23:16.09 | stew | vvd: actually, i'm sorry, i'm wrong. in runlevel 6, S links actually get called with 'stop' |
| 23:16.14 | zstars | g++ 3.4 seems to work, but it is old so it doesn't have tr1 files, is there any easy way to update to 4.2.3 instead? |
| 23:16.16 | vvd | stew: ah |
| 23:16.20 | vvd | stew: weird |
| 23:16.30 | stew | "In the future, the /etc/rc6.d/SXXxxxx scripts MIGHT be moved to /etc/rc6.d/K1XXxxxx for clarity." |
| 23:16.36 | stew | sounds like a good idea to me |
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| 23:16.42 | vvd | same here |
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| 23:17.06 | stew | zstars: what version of debian are you running? |
| 23:17.07 | Zmanu | hello |
| 23:17.19 | zstars | hmm |
| 23:17.23 | zstars | How do I check that? :( |
| 23:17.31 | vvd | stew: thank you |
| 23:17.32 | zstars | oh yeah libc |
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| 23:17.48 | Zmanu | i have 2 video card on my computer, but one is not in lspci, and i find nothing in bios, video card that don't appear is on mother board |
| 23:18.04 | zstars | What was the command to check the version though? |
| 23:18.12 | Zmanu | is there a way to find this second card ? |
| 23:18.28 | Zmanu | is problem can be that i don't have module or not ? |
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| 23:18.38 | stew | zstars: /lib/libc.so.6 | head -1 |
| 23:18.47 | stew | zstars: or 'dpkg -l libc6' |
| 23:18.48 | hjs` | Hi, I have two outgoing internet connections and I want to bind them together to increase my bandwidth. Could anybody tell me how can I do that? |
| 23:19.06 | pickcoder | some people are very impatient |
| 23:19.49 | pickcoder | hjs`: it's not that simple |
| 23:20.07 | dkr | hjs`: lartc.org |
| 23:20.14 | stew | hjs`: install the ifenslave package and follow the instructions in /usr/share/doc/ifenslave |
| 23:20.28 | zstars | d.3.6-ds1 |
| 23:20.34 | zstars | 2.3.6-ds1 I mean |
| 23:20.39 | hjs` | stew: ok, thanks. |
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| 23:20.46 | stew | hjs`: oh wait, are you saying that you have two different internet connections with two different gateways? |
| 23:20.55 | hjs` | stew: yup |
| 23:21.06 | stew | hjs`: that is different, forget enslave, /msg dpkg split access |
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| 23:21.41 | stew | zstars: there is no good way for you to upgrade to g++-4.2 |
| 23:21.52 | zstars | oh |
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| 23:22.28 | zstars | Guess I'll try to remove dependencies on TR1 then :( |
| 23:22.35 | pickcoder | hjs`: your easiest route is to use iproute2 to setup a table based on destination port and have it set a gateway based on the port |
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| 23:23.55 | zstars | btw if I upgraded debian to the testing version, would it get the new g |
| 23:23.57 | Usiu | stew, I am having a problem with creating directory it is in my debian/tmp but it is not packaged :( |
| 23:23.57 | zstars | g++? |
| 23:24.13 | dkr | pickcoder: "easiest route" heh |
| 23:24.44 | Usiu | stew, My db will be kept there so directory must exist |
| 23:25.28 | Usiu | How to package empty directory? |
| 23:26.01 | hjs` | pickcoder: hmm..ok, I gave up. Would it be easier if I just want to make one line a backup? |
| 23:26.18 | simonrvn | just mkdir on install or something (if that doesn't violate debian policy) |
| 23:26.37 | Usiu | simonrvn, well its listed in package.dirs |
| 23:26.41 | pickcoder | dkr: pun? heh.. |
| 23:26.54 | Usiu | simonrvn, and is created in debian/tmp but doesnt apear in package |
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| 23:28.57 | pickcoder | hjs`: is your bandwidth problem on outgoing requests or incoming requests? |
| 23:29.05 | maher | what's the recommended viseo player plugin for firefox/iceweasel in stable? |
| 23:29.16 | maher | s/viseo/video/ |
| 23:29.59 | simonrvn | Usiu: then you'll have to mkdir in postinst (IIRC the package creation stuff doesn't "like" making empty dirs) |
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| 23:32.26 | hjs` | pickcoder: outgoing request |
| 23:32.41 | maher | a more precise question - i have the vlc plugin, which refuses to play vidoes in the browser which it is qite happy to play if I dowlnload... |
| 23:32.46 | pickcoder | hjs`: I think that lartc.org has class of service info |
| 23:33.53 | hjs` | pickcoder: ok, thanks for the information. |
| 23:35.29 | pickcoder | hjs`: check out wondershaper |
| 23:36.00 | pickcoder | that won't help with dual gateways |
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| 23:37.48 | Ice_Wewe | little help with nfs mounts please? I've installed knoppmyth, which is heavily based off etch, and I've created the directory in media that I want to mount to. I've changed the perms so that my user owns it, but as soon as I mount the nfs partition it goes back to root owning it and my user can't write to it. I can't change the owner once it's mounted... so, any ideas? |
| 23:37.56 | Ice_Wewe | I've already tried google, and she be a harsh mistress |
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| 23:38.58 | Ice_Wewe | also, how do I set the timezone, it's currently stuck on Pacific... I've already edited /etc/timezone but that hasn't done anything |
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| 23:39.17 | maher | Ice_Wewe: tzconfig? |
| 23:39.43 | Ice_Wewe | maher: doesn't exsist |
| 23:40.36 | dondelelcaro | Ice_Wewe: /etc/timezone doesn't do anything besides tell tzconfig which timezone you had selected. |
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| 23:40.42 | dondelelcaro | Ice_Wewe: /etc/localtime is the file that matters. |
| 23:41.19 | grendal_prime | ok this is stupid...current system time utc human readable? |
| 23:41.21 | dondelelcaro | Ice_Wewe: run tzselect as root, and choose whatever timezone you want |
| 23:41.25 | grendal_prime | i thought it was zdump |
| 23:41.30 | dondelelcaro | grendal_prime: date -u |
| 23:41.34 | grendal_prime | thanks |
| 23:41.42 | Ice_Wewe | dondelelcaro: did it. Any ideas on the NFS problem? |
| 23:41.55 | Ice_Wewe | dondelelcaro: I know it's not the server because other computers can write to it fine |
| 23:42.39 | dondelelcaro | Ice_Wewe: NFS files always have the permissions of files on the server. |
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| 23:42.53 | Ice_Wewe | dondelelcaro: no, the problem is the mount point on the client |
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| 23:43.03 | dondelelcaro | Ice_Wewe: it has nothing to do with the mountpoint on the client |
| 23:43.30 | dondelelcaro | the mountpoint directory is totally replaced by the filesystem that is mounted on top of it. |
| 23:43.35 | Ice_Wewe | dondelelcaro: but I have the same export options set for other computers and THEY write fine |
| 23:43.58 | dondelelcaro | Ice_Wewe: so what does ls -l /path/to/nfs; say? |
| 23:44.16 | Ice_Wewe | dondelelcaro: on client or server? |
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| 23:44.26 | dondelelcaro | Ice_Wewe: both |
| 23:44.38 | dondelelcaro | (with the filesystem mounted, of course) |
| 23:44.46 | Ice_Wewe | dondelelcaro: server is drwxrwxr-x 6 root cron |
| 23:45.03 | Ice_Wewe | dondelelcaro: client is ... drwxrwxr-x 6 root cron |
| 23:45.08 | dondelelcaro | Ice_Wewe: use a paste site to give me the entire output. |
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| 23:45.52 | dondelelcaro | (and I asked for ls -l, not ls -ld; make it ls -al. while you're at it.) |
| 23:46.02 | Ice_Wewe | dondelelcaro: ok |
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| 23:47.12 | muh2000 | problem :( libX11.so.6 => not found but i see it in: /usr/lib/libX11.so.6 :/ |
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| 23:47.34 | Ice_Wewe | dondelelcaro: yeah, I wasn't part of group 16, which is what the partition is owned by on the server |
| 23:47.37 | muh2000 | how to update the lib cache or something? |
| 23:47.43 | Ice_Wewe | dondelelcaro: cool, thanks |
| 23:47.47 | dondelelcaro | muh2000: what does ls -l /usr/lib/libX11.so.6*; say? |
| 23:47.55 | dondelelcaro | muh2000: there is no library cache. |
| 23:48.11 | dondelelcaro | (well, not in the sense you're thinking of, anyway) |
| 23:48.13 | muh2000 | lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 15 2007-09-24 17:47 /usr/lib/libX11.so.6 -> libX11.so.6.2.0 dondelelcaro |
| 23:48.41 | dondelelcaro | muh2000: ok, and what is the precise error message you're getting? |
| 23:48.54 | dondelelcaro | muh2000: do you see a libX11.so.6.2.0 there too? |
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| 23:49.37 | muh2000 | dondelelcaro: http://nopaste.org/p/altUnLmlhb |
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| 23:50.02 | Ace2016 | are you trying to run vmware? |
| 23:50.07 | Ace2016 | hint: don't |
| 23:50.11 | dondelelcaro | muh2000: I asked for ls -l, not locate. |
| 23:50.13 | Ace2016 | try virtualbox |
| 23:50.15 | muh2000 | Ace2016: trying to install |
| 23:51.15 | muh2000 | dondelelcaro: -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 1084680 2007-04-03 20:09 /usr/lib/libX11.so.6.2.0 |
| 23:52.10 | dondelelcaro | muh2000: so rerun ldd /usr/bin/vmware; and see if it is able to find libX11 |
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| 23:52.19 | muh2000 | Ace2016: i am kinda lazy to setup a bridge for the network :) vmserver does it automatically |
| 23:52.24 | Ace2016 | muh2000: try virtualbox: http://www.virtualbox.org/wiki/Screenshots |
| 23:52.31 | dondelelcaro | ugh. just use brctl |
| 23:52.31 | Ace2016 | muh2000: it sets that up for you |
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| 23:53.05 | muh2000 | Ace2016: it does? well it is on my computer but same interface does not work. or i didnt look hard enough. |
| 23:53.23 | pickcoder | hjs`: a shortcut to getting "type of service" separation would be to use the MARK action in iptables to mark packets destined for a specific port outside, say 80 for HTTP. You can then specify that mark in your ip rule table and denote a specific gateway to use |
| 23:53.24 | muh2000 | dondelelcaro: ldd /usr/bin/vmware not a dynamic executable |
| 23:54.00 | Ace2016 | don't have to set anything up, it even compiles a custom kernel module if you have a custom kernel, in debian sid i use edgy's package since there isn't one for sid |
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| 23:54.23 | pickcoder | hjs`: if you have questions on that, then #iptables may be the place to ask |
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| 23:55.32 | haxality | hello |
| 23:55.32 | Ace2016 | muh2000: select the vm in the dialogue, click settings, go into Network, and it should already be enabled, mine just says Enable Network adapter, attached to NAT, and i gave it a mac address too |
| 23:55.39 | Ace2016 | haxality: hi |
| 23:55.40 | hjs` | pickcoder: thanks. I'll check it out.:) |
| 23:55.46 | muh2000 | Ace2016: well i want to use vm to test my unattended stuff (for fine tuning. the basic of it works) with the same host interface it does not receive an answer from the dhcpd |
| 23:55.53 | haxality | I just installed debian on my G3 imac and for some reason my sources.list doesn't have a debian.org archive in it |
| 23:56.10 | haxality | I've tried manually adding it in sources.list but to no avail |
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| 23:56.41 | haxality | is there somewhere I can get a sample sources.list so I can know for sure what to add? |
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| 23:57.04 | haxality | ah.. nevermind, I msged dpkg and all was made clear :) |
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| 23:57.28 | Ace2016 | bye all |
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| 23:58.43 | saimazoon | Hello |
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| 23:59.04 | saimazoon | Anybody knows how can I make epiphany start with a chosen set of websites open whenever I begin my X session? |
| 23:59.14 | saimazoon | there's really no documentation on this subject available |
