| 00:00.05 | haxality | in any case, praise to the programmer who wrote dpkg! |
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| 00:01.48 | Sirgado | how can avoid rtc_cmos module load at startup? I want to load rtc module, but rtc load fails because rtc_cmos is loaded |
| 00:02.11 | maher | hmm... somehow the mime types are messed up for galllery2 as iceweasel won't play the videos... |
| 00:02.23 | Sirgado | I've tried with modprobe.d/blacklist bit this file seems to act after start up (it's related to hotplug) |
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| 00:06.24 | puchu | hi |
| 00:07.12 | puchu | howc can i prevent files in /etc to get overwritten when packages are updated? |
| 00:07.30 | maher | weird - the mplayer plugin works but neither totem or vlc do |
| 00:08.41 | maher | puchu: which files in particular? or all files? |
| 00:08.46 | themill | puchu: what files are you worried about? |
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| 00:09.54 | puchu | maher themill /etc/shorewall for example |
| 00:10.02 | puchu | maher themill /etc/shorewall/shorewall.conf for example |
| 00:10.13 | puchu | not all files |
| 00:10.53 | maher | puchu: this is a conf file for shorewall - shouldn't it ask you before it changes it? |
| 00:11.08 | Sirgado | if you have made changes in that file apt will ask you before replace it |
| 00:11.25 | puchu | maher dont know... therefor i ask |
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| 00:12.21 | maher | puchu: shorewall should ask you before it changes it - make a copy in a safe place anyway just in case... |
| 00:12.28 | puchu | thanks |
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| 00:12.37 | dosnubbie | Um.... |
| 00:12.51 | dosnubbie | How do I unblock port 5900 on my Debian machine? |
| 00:13.27 | maher | dosnubbie: why is it blocked? |
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| 00:14.26 | streuner | iptables? |
| 00:14.51 | pickcoder | dosnubbie: how do you know it's blocked? |
| 00:15.08 | themill | more likely that either vnc just isn't running or is listening only on loopback, or that a perimeter firewall is blocking it.... |
| 00:15.25 | dosnubbie | There are no firewalls in this instance |
| 00:15.35 | dosnubbie | It's just my work station and the comp ten feet from me |
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| 00:15.44 | dosnubbie | I'm just to lazy to always walk across the room and work on it |
| 00:16.21 | themill | dosnubbie: debian doesn't block 5900 (or any other port) by default. Please answer pickcoder's question. |
| 00:16.22 | maher | dosnubbie: do you have ssh access? what should be listening on 5900 anyway? |
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| 00:16.57 | dosnubbie | I'm using SSH right now. I thought it might be blocked because my x11vnc isn't working |
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| 00:18.12 | dosnubbie | mm |
| 00:18.19 | dosnubbie | Looks like it's deciding to work now |
| 00:18.54 | mandrigal | can some one plz tell me how to change my gnome theme |
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| 00:19.41 | themill | mandrigal: aptitude install kde |
| 00:19.56 | tilgovi | Q: Thinking about putting debian on one of my computers. I know that I'm a nut for mucking with my kernel. Will using my custom-rolled 2.6.23 kernel in debian work or will I have dependency issues with the -module packages and others? |
| 00:20.26 | tilgovi | I know you can make a custom kernel for debian, but I want to know of any gotchas. |
| 00:20.32 | mandrigal | i already have kde installed |
| 00:20.32 | tilgovi | has anyone done this? |
| 00:21.20 | maher | tilgovi: it should work - you can always install a debian kernel as well... |
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| 00:22.32 | tilgovi | debian has packages for kernel modules, no? |
| 00:22.53 | themill | night all! |
| 00:23.14 | maher | tilgovi: try module-assistant |
| 00:23.15 | tilgovi | My concern is that if these packages aren't built against my custom kernel they won't install right. I know I could just build the modules myself, but then I might be undermining apt's ability to check dependencies |
| 00:23.17 | tilgovi | ok |
| 00:24.00 | muh2000 | hmpf now ace2xxx is gone |
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| 00:24.36 | pipegeek | Does anyone here have any experience with mrtg, or, alternatively, have another snmp monitoring tool that they'd recommend? |
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| 00:24.59 | maher | tilgovi: m-a will probably only work against debian installed kernels - binary modules are kernel build specific amd will not work with other kernels |
| 00:26.07 | muh2000 | pipegeek: what do you want to monitor? |
| 00:26.24 | tilgovi | maher: I feel like the structure of the repository in debian forces me into using a debian provided kernel unless I want a huge headache...is this true? |
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| 00:27.36 | pipegeek | muh2000: disk usage on a filer. Currently, snmpd is reporting it correctly, mrtg is receiving the correct values, and then generating seemingly random graphs. More frustratingly, mrtg balks at example configuration files (including those produced by cfgstoragemaker) that, by all rights, should work. |
| 00:27.50 | pipegeek | muh2000: this is true both for the version in etch, and for the current stable version. |
| 00:27.58 | Tramp | !tell tilgovi about make-kpkg |
| 00:28.10 | maher | tilgovi: no - everything will run fine with a non-debian lernel - i have systems with non-debian kernels - but binary kernel modules will have to rebuilt if you want to use them |
| 00:28.19 | muh2000 | hmmm ok i dont know about disk usage, i though something like bandwidth ^^ |
| 00:28.25 | tilgovi | maher: how would I rebuild those? |
| 00:28.39 | pipegeek | muh2000: well, the mechanics are basically the same; it's just a different OID |
| 00:28.53 | pipegeek | muh2000: if it *were* bandwidth we were measuring here, then.... |
| 00:28.58 | dureyes | would like to install the gdm on startup so that I don't have type starx...when I try to install the following gnome gdm menu...it tells me it will use over 400Mb of space...is there another smaller install than the one I have? |
| 00:29.08 | muh2000 | then i would recomend iptotal ^^ |
| 00:29.21 | tilgovi | maher: I can build modules myself...I just want to make sure that when I try to install package X which requires kernel feature Y that apt doesn't install Y-module package and overwrite the module I compiled against my kernel sources |
| 00:29.45 | maher | tilgovi: i don't know whether there are any binary modules left that don't use m-a - you can explicitl tell m-a to build against a particular set of headers afaik |
| 00:29.45 | pipegeek | muh2000: hmm. The description for which says it doesn't use snmp |
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| 00:30.24 | muh2000 | well for a webinterface, it is.. |
| 00:30.53 | tilgovi | maher: So you're saying that .deb packages for kernel modules will build against my kernel and not assume I'm running a stock debian kernel? |
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| 00:31.40 | maher | tilgovi: they may build if you point m-a to your local tree - binary modules depend on particular kernels and won't be isnstalled unless the kernel is there already |
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| 00:31.57 | tilgovi | maher: So I can actually *uninstall* the linux-kernel package? |
| 00:31.57 | cafuego | dureyes: not with gnome, no. |
| 00:32.07 | tilgovi | maher: Point m-a to my source tree |
| 00:32.19 | maher | maher: if no kernel is installed, one shouldn't be installed for you - but you have to read the dpkg doc to be sure of that |
| 00:32.31 | OleMoudi | http://xkcd.com/306/ |
| 00:32.43 | tilgovi | maher: thanks for your help...I'll do a little more reading and see what I come up with |
| 00:33.05 | snacky | more importantly, http://xkcd.com/116/ |
| 00:33.15 | dureyes | cafuego: that means I have to install all that extra stuff...I now have a bare bones gnome and like to install the gdm..did not think it would take all that space. |
| 00:33.38 | cafuego | dureyes: You could use xdm instead of gdm. |
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| 00:34.20 | maher | tilgovi: yes - you don't need any debian kernel actually installed, you can manually install your own kernel |
| 00:34.55 | dureyes | cafuego: thanks, will give it a try.... |
| 00:35.11 | tilgovi | maher: One last question...are there packages that depend on module packages or does debian make you install modules explicitly if you need support for something? |
| 00:35.28 | tilgovi | maher: Again...afraid of apt overwriting modules I've build with m-a |
| 00:36.27 | maher | tilgovi: i don't remember offhand - if you give your kernel a special name 2.x.x-name, the modules end up in /lib/modules/2.x.x-name and won't get overwwritten unless you install binary modules with the xact same name |
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| 00:36.58 | tilgovi | maher: Right! Fantastic. You can officially welcome my laptop to debian world :) |
| 00:38.19 | arsenip | non deb specific question .. |
| 00:38.28 | kgoetz | :D |
| 00:38.31 | tilgovi | :) |
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| 00:38.38 | arsenip | how do i (through ssh) zip up an entire directory and all its contents, and place the zip in a specific dir? |
| 00:38.58 | arsenip | inc subdirectories and anything hidden etc |
| 00:39.23 | tilgovi | finally, question for anyone who's used gentoo. I'm coming from gentoo as a ~arch user. Does this compare to debian unstable or should I stick to testing? |
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| 00:39.49 | rubymonk | arsenip, man zip |
| 00:39.58 | kgoetz | arsenip: user@host zip |
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| 00:40.28 | maher | tilgovi: why not use stable - then your computer may actually work |
| 00:40.49 | arsenip | i dont want to risk trusting my judgement of reading man correctly, as im trying to create an initial backup |
| 00:40.52 | arsenip | so id rather not screw it :p |
| 00:41.11 | tilgovi | maher: haha...I file bug reports. You want me using something less stable |
| 00:41.27 | cast | arsenip: we all tend to use tar..fwiw |
| 00:41.36 | rubymonk | arsenip, Bad excuse to not read the man page, create a test dir and read the man page, do your tests, if they are concluents, then, use on prod :P |
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| 00:42.46 | sdubois92-laptop | i upgraded to 2.6.22 and madwifi doesnt work. i did apt-cache search madwifi and it only has the 2.6.18 modules |
| 00:42.48 | maher | tilgovi: well if you want to fix things, unstable will break most often :) |
| 00:43.06 | maher | sdubois92-laptop: use m-a to rebuld your modules |
| 00:43.18 | arsenip | rubymonk, obviously man exists, but im asking for a specific command, from someone with experience, so i know what to expect |
| 00:43.22 | sdubois92-laptop | maher: choose UPDATE? |
| 00:43.26 | arsenip | man also rarely provides an insight into a syntax |
| 00:43.32 | maher | sdubois92-laptop: yes |
| 00:43.34 | tilgovi | maher: Can you grab specific packages out of testing into your (mostly) stable system? |
| 00:43.46 | rubymonk | arsenip, I never use zip |
| 00:43.53 | arsenip | ok, tar then? |
| 00:44.05 | tilgovi | maher: nvm...I see it. /etc/apt/preferences |
| 00:44.08 | rubymonk | using tar, I'd do something like tar -czvf myfile.tgz * |
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| 00:44.23 | maher | tilgovi: yes and no - you can try and install them but usually they won't install because they depend on newer things - but you can always try and rebuld them on stable - I have done this for certain things |
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| 00:44.33 | rubymonk | but this should anyways be complemented by a careful read of the man page |
| 00:44.38 | arsenip | i know |
| 00:44.39 | arsenip | im just asking |
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| 00:44.57 | rubymonk | you want to know, especialy for a backup if your rights and owner and stuff will be kept, etc.. |
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| 00:45.20 | cast | arsenip: ....man zip has examples. man tar has examples. i guess they must be rare manpages eh |
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| 00:45.44 | arsenip | cast, i missed the ones on man zip :p |
| 00:45.54 | maher | sdubois92-laptop: then choose build and install... |
| 00:45.56 | sdubois92-laptop | maher: after i ran update in m-a, i ran m-a a-i madwifi and it said the build failed |
| 00:46.07 | rubymonk | also, You should check if this will keep your hidden files |
| 00:46.10 | xaque | Hi. Can I build a raid1 md raid with a single drive? I don't have the second now, but I will soon. |
| 00:46.21 | sdubois92-laptop | maher: ok |
| 00:46.21 | rubymonk | and don't something stupid like .* instead of * |
| 00:46.23 | maher | xand: yes |
| 00:46.27 | maher | sdubois92-laptop: what error? |
| 00:46.58 | karsten | xaque: Yes, though you obviously won't get the performance and redundancy of a true RAID system (eg: multi-disk). |
| 00:47.01 | arsenip | why do you do vv? |
| 00:47.04 | arsenip | as opposed to just v? |
| 00:47.10 | karsten | xaque: You might want to look at LVM. |
| 00:47.19 | sdubois92-laptop | maher: Build of the package madwifi-source failed! |
| 00:47.36 | xaque | karsten: right. but with raid1, there is not really a performance increase is md raid, is ther? |
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| 00:47.42 | pipeline | xaque: yes |
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| 00:48.06 | xaque | pipeline: reads, or writes, or both? |
| 00:48.13 | maher | sdubois92-laptop: did you do prepare as well? |
| 00:48.27 | sdubois92-laptop | maher: i did m-a, then m-a a-i madwifi |
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| 00:48.34 | karsten | xaque: There is less performance degredation. RAID 1 w/ both array components on the same disks means every write occurs twice, on teh same disk. You'll have more head seeks. |
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| 00:49.18 | pipeline | xaque: answered wrong question |
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| 00:50.03 | xaque | karsten: so what happened, is I am in the middle of building a system and I have a failing disk on my raid1, so I would like to build the system on a good drive, with the intention of adding a second later. Not mirroring from one partition to another on the same device. |
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| 00:50.15 | Trentster | hey all, I am busy trying to learn some bash scripting by following some tutorials, the tutorial I am following, they are using the " if" and "elsif" in the script, but when the script runs it says "./tr1.sh: line 15: elsif: command not found" is this because "elsif" isnt supported under debian? |
| 00:50.29 | wad | I've got some java code, and I'm trying to get it to run on my debian box. |
| 00:50.34 | xaque | karsten: rather, mirroring to nothing, adding a second disk later that would auto replicate the data. |
| 00:50.38 | dondelelcaro | Trentster: it's elif |
| 00:50.38 | wad | Is there no "apt-get install java" available here? |
| 00:50.43 | cast | Trentster: elif |
| 00:51.01 | karsten | xaque: OK, I understand. |
| 00:51.07 | karsten | xaque: You're building a degraded array. |
| 00:51.17 | xaque | karsten: right |
| 00:51.23 | Trentster | dondelelcaro, cast thanks, then the bloody guy in the tutorial has missspelt it...... |
| 00:51.32 | karsten | xaque: I'd have to read the RAID HOWTO to understand the performance implications. I think for RAID1 they should be relatively minimal, but that's a SWAG. |
| 00:51.32 | arsenip | cast, man tar suggests -cvvf as examples, i cant see why it suggests the "vv" .. ie, verbose twice? |
| 00:51.33 | arsenip | :s |
| 00:51.38 | kgoetz | Trentster: better let them know. a typo is a typo :\ |
| 00:52.09 | Trentster | kgoetz, its gonna be quite hard to recall it, its vtc (video training) product |
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| 00:52.48 | xaque | karsten: so, I am three of four arrays new to mdadm... would I set the number of devices to 1, then only append a single partition? Then I would use the mdadm --manage /dev/md${bla} --add /dev/sdb${bla} ? |
| 00:52.48 | cast | arsenip: vv prints more info, heh. |
| 00:52.55 | arsenip | oh ok :) |
| 00:52.55 | xaque | karsten: dpes that sound right to you? |
| 00:52.57 | kgoetz | Trentster: ouch. |
| 00:53.03 | Trentster | he he yeah! |
| 00:53.05 | kgoetz | that would cause problems :| |
| 00:53.17 | kgoetz | Trentster: send them a patc h:P |
| 00:53.33 | karsten | arsenip: vv == more verbose for many commands, up to a certain livel. Up to some verbosity max. Say, up to five in the case of aptitude. |
| 00:53.43 | karsten | arsenip: More verbosity may not always be more useful, however. |
| 00:54.07 | karsten | xaque: I'd have to refer you to the SW RAID HOWTO. I haven't played with that myself yet. |
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| 00:54.58 | arsenip | am i reading "-f" right, ie, -f is the function for the filename? |
| 00:55.12 | xaque | karsten: cool, thanks. |
| 00:55.36 | cast | arsenip: yes |
| 00:55.45 | xaque | karsten: also, you mentioned performance. Now that you understand what I am doing, is there a performance increase that you are aware of with using md raid for a raid1? |
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| 00:56.07 | karsten | xaque: http://tldp.org/HOWTO/html_single/Software-RAID-HOWTO/ |
| 00:56.23 | karsten | xaque: Performance boost relative to what? |
| 00:56.33 | xaque | karsten: single disk operation. |
| 00:56.34 | lymeca | Is it illegal to host a Debian mirror without sources on the mirror? |
| 00:56.45 | karsten | xaque: In general, mirroring is going to degrade performance slightly on writes, may provide a performance boost on reads. |
| 00:56.55 | kgoetz | lymeca: no. |
| 00:56.59 | karsten | xaque: You're writing everything twice, but on seperate devices, so the impact is pretty minimal. |
| 00:57.30 | karsten | xaque: Though if you've got multiple arrays on the same device, you can run into other issues, so as usual, the answer is "it depends" |
| 00:57.32 | xaque | karsten: cool. Thanks again. I will read up |
| 00:57.43 | dondelelcaro | lymeca: it's a bad idea. It's not entirely clear if it's illegal, though. |
| 00:57.49 | karsten | xaque: For reads: you can read from either array, so that should give more flexibility on head positioning. |
| 00:58.32 | dondelelcaro | lymeca: if the source isn't available from the same location, you generally have to convey a promise to provide the source valid for three years to satisfy the GPL. |
| 00:58.41 | lymeca | Aye |
| 00:58.43 | lymeca | Hmm |
| 00:59.00 | dondelelcaro | (and I'm talking about illegal here in the context of violating the license to a copyrighted work) |
| 00:59.14 | dondelelcaro | lymeca: there's really no reason not to distribute the source alongside the binaries though |
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| 00:59.59 | lymeca | Well I'm a student at a college and I'm working with my sysadmin here to set up a Debian mirror and he cites bandwidth use for syncing the source packages vs. how many people will actually pull source packages from this repo as a concern |
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| 01:01.08 | mrsno | http://www.debian.org/security/2007/dsa-1413 are any of these able to cause a remote exploit to gain access to the system? |
| 01:01.12 | lymeca | dondelelcaro: Have you any experience with debmirror? |
| 01:01.12 | mrsno | apart from a dos |
| 01:02.51 | karsten | lymeca: Running a mirror, advertised locally, for your own debian user community, might actually *reduce* the uplink bandwidth utilization of your site. |
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| 01:03.10 | karsten | lymeca: ... though I doubt that in a world of P2P and video on demand that that's going to be significant. |
| 01:03.23 | Trentster | Hi I am getting this error in my script " syntax error near unexpected token `fi'" any ideas what could be wrong . |
| 01:03.27 | karsten | lymeca: And it could certainly make things worse. So, as usual, the answer si YMMV. |
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| 01:03.37 | kgoetz | Trentster: lots of things |
| 01:03.44 | kgoetz | care to pastebin teh coe in question? |
| 01:03.53 | lymeca | karsten: I think you misunderstood |
| 01:03.56 | karsten | Trentster: Probably a missing statement delimiter, or typo. Look for missing ';' |
| 01:04.03 | dondelelcaro | lymeca: you're better off using the anonftpsync script. |
| 01:04.08 | lymeca | We know why we want to run a mirror and we're well on our way towards setting one up |
| 01:04.10 | karsten | Trentster: 'bash -x' may help see waht's happening w/ the scrypt. |
| 01:04.17 | karsten | lymeca: And... ? |
| 01:04.46 | dondelelcaro | lymeca: see http://www.debian.org/mirrors/ftpmirror |
| 01:04.52 | lymeca | The question about the source was that the community we are running the mirror for likely won't use the source packages enough to justify the extra bandwidth required in syncing the source packages. |
| 01:05.44 | lymeca | dondelelcaro: That's what I wanted to use. I read about it there, downloaded it, edited, and tried it but it wouldn't work. Then the sysadmin here recommended debmirror. I got debmirror to download what I wanted from MIT: i386 and adm64 binaries for etch,lenny,and sid. |
| 01:05.55 | kgoetz | lymeca: as long as your willing to get them the source if they ask, you shouldnt need to mirror it from teh start |
| 01:05.59 | dondelelcaro | lymeca: well, it definetly works. I use it myself. |
| 01:06.22 | lymeca | I don't know how to use debmirror to sync my repository on a regular basis though,and GPG wasn't working with debmirror. |
| 01:06.28 | dondelelcaro | lymeca: the source packages don't change all that often; most of the time you're just downloading a small diff.gz and a .dsc |
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| 01:06.51 | dondelelcaro | lymeca: what was the exact problem you were having with anonftpsync? |
| 01:06.57 | kgoetz | the main cost will be mirroring sid |
| 01:06.58 | lymeca | So now I have a bunch of packages for i386 and amd64 that I want to sync up to a push mirror every 24 hours, but I'm not sure how to do that + GPG authentication. |
| 01:07.07 | kgoetz | lymeca: you put debmirror in a cronjob :) |
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| 01:07.36 | dondelelcaro | lymeca: the right way to do that is use anonftpsync in a cronjob. That's how all of the non-push mirrors do it. |
| 01:07.53 | lymeca | Aye |
| 01:08.00 | lymeca | Well anonftpsync once wouldn't even work. |
| 01:08.12 | abrotman | lymeca: how many systems are going to use this? |
| 01:08.17 | dondelelcaro | lymeca: so provide the output that you got, and we'll help you make it work. |
| 01:08.31 | Trentster | kgoetz, karsten http://paste.debian.net/44114 thanks, sorry for the neb questions, just started with scripting <blush> |
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| 01:09.55 | sdubois92-laptop | i upgraded to 2.6.22 and madwifi doesnt work. i did apt-cache search madwifi and it only has the 2.6.18 modules. i ran m-a prepare and m-a a-i madwifi and it gave an error that said "failed to build" |
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| 01:10.20 | dondelelcaro | sdubois92-laptop: post the build logs. |
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| 01:10.38 | lymeca | dondelelcaro: Why do you discourage the use of debmirror? |
| 01:10.41 | sdubois92-laptop | dondelelcaro: do you know where the build logs are located |
| 01:10.58 | dondelelcaro | lymeca: because it's not the right tool for complete mirrors. |
| 01:11.14 | abrotman | lymeca: have you considered an apt proxy? |
| 01:11.35 | lymeca | dondelelcaro: I don't want a complete mirror. I want i386, i386-hurd, and amd64 binary and source for etch, lenny, and sid. |
| 01:11.41 | dondelelcaro | if you're mirroring a small portion of the archive (subsets of packages or distributions, not a subset of the architectures) it's ok. |
| 01:11.50 | karsten | Trentster: "elif" is csh, not bash |
| 01:11.52 | dondelelcaro | lymeca: that's a complete mirror for those architectures. |
| 01:11.58 | lymeca | Right |
| 01:11.58 | homecable | hey |
| 01:12.02 | lymeca | ok |
| 01:12.14 | homecable | can some one tell me there dns server |
| 01:12.17 | karsten | Trentster: Um, nope. |
| 01:12.23 | karsten | Trentster: My bad, elif is valid. |
| 01:12.25 | homecable | my isps dns servers are down |
| 01:13.08 | sdubois92-laptop | dondelelcaro: http://pastebin.com/m60fd2ec4 |
| 01:13.45 | homecable | anyone got a dns server i can use |
| 01:13.49 | kgoetz | set -e on that script causes it to close my console |
| 01:14.12 | dondelelcaro | sdubois92-laptop: that's the build logs for 2.6.18, not 2.6.22 |
| 01:14.45 | Trentster | karsten, hmmm, so any idea why its giving that error |
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| 01:14.50 | Tramp | Trentster: your elif lacks "then" and the whole construct lacks "else". But I think this belongs to something like #bashscriptingtutorials |
| 01:14.55 | sdubois92-laptop | dondelelcaro: thats where m-a a-i madwifi said the log was located |
| 01:14.55 | dondelelcaro | homecable: 205.152.37.24 205.152.144.24 205.152.132.24 |
| 01:15.04 | dondelelcaro | sdubois92-laptop: are you running 2.6.22 now? |
| 01:15.05 | homecable | thanks' |
| 01:15.09 | Trentster | Tramp, thanks.... |
| 01:15.39 | sdubois92-laptop | dondelelcaro: i found them |
| 01:15.47 | sdubois92-laptop | dondelelcaro: http://pastebin.com/m209749ec |
| 01:16.42 | dondelelcaro | sdubois92-laptop: what does dpkg -l madwifi-source; say? |
| 01:16.56 | karsten | Trentster: 'elif [ <condition> ]; then |
| 01:17.22 | karsten | Trentster: Convention is to write "if [ condition ]; then" on one line, BTW. |
| 01:17.29 | karsten | Trentster: ... at least as I've usually seen it. |
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| 01:17.34 | sdubois92-laptop | dondelelcaro: http://pastebin.com/m1c24be9 |
| 01:17.37 | Azar | hello honorables!! |
| 01:17.55 | karsten | Trentster: It's syntactically valid to not do that, but style generally suggests you do. |
| 01:18.39 | dondelelcaro | sdubois92-laptop: install the version from unstable, and try again. |
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| 01:18.44 | dondelelcaro | sdubois92-laptop: should be 1:0.9.3.2-2. |
| 01:19.20 | sdubois92-laptop | dondelelcaro: so, etch main contrib non-free unstable? |
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| 01:19.26 | sdubois92-laptop | dondelelcaro: should that work |
| 01:19.33 | dondelelcaro | sdubois92-laptop: no, just wget it from your local mirror and dpkg -i it. |
| 01:19.47 | dondelelcaro | !+info debhelper etch |
| 01:19.48 | dpkg | Updating debian files... please wait. |
| 01:19.51 | dpkg | debhelper: (helper programs for debian/rules), section devel, is optional. Version: 5.0.42 (etch), Packaged size: 498 kB, Installed size: 1248 kB |
| 01:20.11 | Trentster | karsten, thanks a lot.... |
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| 01:22.31 | sdubois92-laptop | dondelelcaro: these? http://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=madwifi&searchon=names&suite=stable§ion=all |
| 01:23.11 | dondelelcaro | sdubois92-laptop: http://packages.debian.org/sid/madwifi-source |
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| 01:24.43 | sdubois92-laptop | dondelelcaro: then do m-a and m-a a-i madwifi? |
| 01:25.44 | lymeca | dondelelcaro: Would this be a correct ARCH EXCLUDE line in anonftpsync with single quotes and all? |
| 01:25.46 | lymeca | ARCH_EXCLUDE='alpha arm hppa ia64 m68k mipsel mips powerpc s390 sh sparc |
| 01:25.47 | lymeca | ' |
| 01:26.28 | karsten | Trentster: NP |
| 01:27.37 | lymeca | ./anonftpsync |
| 01:27.37 | lymeca | ERROR: Help, something weird happened |
| 01:27.37 | lymeca | mirroring /pool exited with exitcode 255 |
| 01:27.44 | dondelelcaro | lymeca: yes, that's reasonable. (though powerpc is fiarly propular too) |
| 01:28.04 | dondelelcaro | lymeca: use a paste site to paste the entire log along with your anonftpsync |
| 01:28.13 | lymeca | where is the log? |
| 01:28.24 | dondelelcaro | lymeca: wherever you edited anonftpsync to put it |
| 01:28.33 | lymeca | k found it |
| 01:28.38 | lymeca | which one though? debian-mirror.log.0? |
| 01:28.47 | dondelelcaro | lymeca: yes. |
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| 01:30.41 | nioroz | Hi |
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| 01:31.26 | nioroz | Why wget does not get all links? robots.txt comes |
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| 01:32.01 | dondelelcaro | nioroz: uh... because ignoring robots.txt is bad? |
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| 01:33.33 | lymeca | dondelelcaro: This is my anonftpsync: http://pastebin.ca/805112 |
| 01:34.41 | lymeca | dondelelcaro: And here's the log: http://pastebin.ca/805113 |
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| 01:36.56 | dondelelcaro | lymeca: heh. you can't rsync using http. Doesn't work. RSYNC_HOST=http://debian.lcs.mit.edu/ <-- rsync://debian.lcs.mit.edu should work |
| 01:37.05 | dondelelcaro | or just debian.lcs.mit.edu, actually. |
| 01:37.35 | dondelelcaro | lymeca: you should also check that rsync --list-only rsync://debian.lcs.mit.edu does what you expect it to do. |
| 01:39.18 | lymeca | rsync: getaddrinfo: debian.lcs.mit.edu/ 873: Name or service not known |
| 01:39.19 | lymeca | rsync error: error in socket IO (code 10) at clientserver.c(104) [receiver=2.6.9] |
| 01:41.01 | arsenip | is it possible to tar a dir and all subdirs, except a specific dir? |
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| 01:41.32 | cast | yes. |
| 01:41.39 | lymeca | dondelelcaro: Okay so I changed it to |
| 01:41.41 | lymeca | RSYNC_HOST=debian.lcs.mit.edu/ |
| 01:42.05 | lymeca | And now it's not giving me that error anymore but it seems to have troubles with me running it as a user with sudo |
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| 01:42.54 | dondelelcaro | lymeca: does whatever user you're running it as own all of the files and directories involved? |
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| 01:43.07 | lymeca | dondelelcaro: http://pastebin.ca/805115 |
| 01:43.13 | lymeca | No |
| 01:43.17 | lymeca | But it has sudo access |
| 01:44.12 | arsenip | figured, cast. thanks :) |
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| 01:47.25 | dondelelcaro | lymeca: add set -x to the top of anonftpsync and rerun it |
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| 01:54.03 | lymeca | dondelelcaro: There's 'set -e' |
| 01:54.08 | lymeca | Should I add it next to it? |
| 01:54.12 | lymeca | Or 'set -e -x' |
| 01:54.21 | lymeca | Or set -e LINE BREAK set -x |
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| 01:55.32 | CaT[tm] | andrew: the client encoding? |
| 01:56.04 | dondelelcaro | lymeca: the latter |
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| 02:01.59 | piper69 | hi guys |
| 02:02.41 | dondelelcaro | lymeca: just guessing, the problem is that there's a space somewhere where it shouldn't be |
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| 02:09.03 | piper69 | this might be very basic but i am reading a book about regex, but i can't wait to finish it :), i have a question, say i have this line in a file "ABBA Money money money" :) and i want to grep anthing but ABBA i should do grep -i '{^abba] ??? is that right |
| 02:09.36 | piper69 | grep -i '{^abba] filename |
| 02:09.54 | maddash | argh! ies4linux keeps dying! |
| 02:10.32 | abrotman | maddash: not a debian problem? |
| 02:11.01 | piper69 | !argh |
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| 02:12.23 | maddash | abrotman: actually. it is. the maintainer of wine screwed up wineboot, somehow, and now I have to figure it out |
| 02:12.38 | piper69 | abrotman: using regex how can i select anything else from this sentence exect foo "foo bar" |
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| 02:12.49 | abrotman | maddash: ies4linux isn't in debian .. not a debian problem |
| 02:14.33 | cast | piper69: grep -i abba filename would do |
| 02:14.53 | maddash | abrotman: can you read? w-i-n-e-b-o-o-t member of package w-i-n-e |
| 02:15.22 | abrotman | maddash: so some random shit windows app doesn't work on wine .. big surprise .. not a debian problem :) |
| 02:15.32 | Tramp | piper69: grep extracts lines, not fields (i.e. words in lines) but maybe I misunderstood your question or you put it in the wrong words |
| 02:15.38 | piper69 | cast: this will select abba thu, i want to select eveything but abba |
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| 02:16.18 | piper69 | Tramp: i am trying to use regex with ID3TAG |
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| 02:17.08 | Vasistha | I'd like to install debian on a bootable usb flash drive. Is there any special consideration for buying a "compatible" usb flash drive, or should any modern drive just work? |
| 02:17.49 | piper69 | Tramp: so in the Artist name there is the artist name and the tilte , using regex i am trying to eliminate the title name |
| 02:18.00 | abrotman | piper69: paste a sample somewhere |
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| 02:19.39 | piper69 | abrotman: http://pastebin.ca/805138 |
| 02:20.25 | abrotman | piper69: no .. i want to see the full body of what you're working with |
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| 02:20.44 | piper69 | abrotman: duh ...wait a sec |
| 02:21.09 | cast | piper69: ahh, sorry, misread |
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| 02:42.55 | abrotman | !sed primer |
| 02:42.57 | abrotman | !sed |
| 02:42.57 | dpkg | i guess sed is a stream editor. A stream editor is used to perform basic text transformations on an input stream (a file or input from a pipeline). Sed is located at ftp://ftp.gnu.org/pub/gnu/sed/ or a pain in the ass, or see http://www-h.eng.cam.ac.uk/help/tpl/unix/sed.html for common usages. See http://sed.sourceforge.net/ for download, docs, books, scripts, etc. Also google "paolo bonzini sed" or /j #sed, or http://sed.sourceforge.net/sed1line.txt |
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| 02:51.05 | muh2000 | i am siting on a problem with some libs :( http://nopaste.org/p/aTfGilPpjb |
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| 02:54.20 | muh2000 | and what does "<packagename> set to manual installed." ? |
| 02:54.22 | muh2000 | mean? |
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| 02:55.28 | dalias | it means the packaging system knows you asked for the package to be installed |
| 02:55.43 | dalias | so it won't remove it when auto-removing packages that are no longer needed by other packages' dependencies |
| 02:56.28 | Vasistha | muh2000: ...as opposed to the package being "automatically installed" in order to satisfy dependencies (in which case it would be auto-removed if the packages depending upon it were removed) |
| 02:57.02 | muh2000 | ok thnx |
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| 02:57.26 | muh2000 | and any guesses to my lib problem? http://nopaste.org/p/aTfGilPpjb |
| 02:58.00 | muh2000 | the libs seem to be installed :( |
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| 03:01.45 | BlueToothz | hi guys. how can i chmod certain directories to be used by users. i made the mistake of accessing via the root terminal :| |
| 03:02.56 | kgoetz | BlueToothz: chown |
| 03:04.03 | BlueToothz | kgoetz, uh huh.. |
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| 03:14.08 | popt | is there a mirror for AdobeReader .deb? |
| 03:14.32 | popt | I find one mirror, it is Too Slow |
| 03:14.41 | abrotman | ask adobe.com ? |
| 03:14.49 | popt | http://ardownload.adobe.com/pub/adobe/reader/unix/8.x/8.1.1/enu/AdobeReader_enu-8.1.1-1.i386.deb |
| 03:14.55 | popt | is slow |
| 03:15.10 | popt | 4.2k |
| 03:15.18 | dalias | why would anyone get that? |
| 03:15.40 | dalias | xpdf, evince, kpdf, etc. are all perfectly good and free |
| 03:15.41 | popt | I need paste cut in .pdf file |
| 03:15.51 | popt | can you do it in Kpdf or xpdf |
| 03:15.52 | popt | ? |
| 03:16.05 | popt | or evince? |
| 03:16.06 | Vasistha | popt: I believe it's on debian-multimedia |
| 03:16.07 | dalias | copy text from a pdf and paste it into something else? |
| 03:16.22 | popt | yes, dalias :) |
| 03:16.24 | dalias | yes |
| 03:16.24 | Vasistha | popt: oh, well there's also pdftotext |
| 03:16.29 | dalias | xpdf has been able to do that forever |
| 03:16.33 | dalias | and yes there's also pdftotext |
| 03:16.44 | popt | part of sentence |
| 03:16.58 | Vasistha | pdftotext | grep # ;) |
| 03:17.04 | popt | only need cut or paste part of sentence or phra |
| 03:17.18 | popt | para |
| 03:18.08 | abrotman | evince can do it |
| 03:18.12 | popt | Vasistha, thanks, but a mouse click would be much easier |
| 03:18.27 | popt | abrotman, can it |
| 03:18.31 | abrotman | YES |
| 03:18.39 | abrotman | maybe you should try a little bit |
| 03:18.40 | Vasistha | popt: okay, I'll repeat what I said earlier: you can get acroread from debian-multimedia |
| 03:18.45 | popt | I just tried, no, the COPY command doesnt work |
| 03:18.58 | abrotman | highlight .. then middle click where you want to paste it |
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| 03:19.10 | Vasistha | !tell popt -about debian-multimedia |
| 03:19.36 | abrotman | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:19.37 | abrotman | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:19.37 | abrotman | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:19.37 | abrotman | <PROTECTED> |
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| 03:19.43 | abrotman | see! |
| 03:19.49 | Vasistha | hehe |
| 03:19.55 | Vasistha | you rascal |
| 03:22.02 | popt | oh Yeah! |
| 03:22.05 | popt | that's it |
| 03:22.06 | popt | <dpkg> To add the debian-multimedia repository, first ask me about <apt-key 1F41B907>. then, run # echo "deb http://www.debian-multimedia.org etch main" >> /etc/apt/sources.list; apt-get update; (as root), or install the debian-multimedia-keyring package from the debian-multimedia.org repository. |
| 03:22.11 | Vasistha | say ... I've been realizing recently that, while I'm travelling, I'm not going to want to have a root Konsole window open at all times, so I need to figure out a good way to do my root-user stuff. Sudo is nice, but kinda complicated ... any drawbacks to just using su -c all the time? |
| 03:22.13 | popt | thx |
| 03:22.24 | BlueToothz | popt, i learned that the first day i started up debian too |
| 03:22.31 | BlueToothz | and im a better person for it today |
| 03:22.31 | popt | :o |
| 03:22.33 | BlueToothz | :) |
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| 03:23.14 | kgoetz | sudo complicated? |
| 03:23.35 | Vasistha | kgoetz: well, I have to set up the sudoers file (hangs head in shame for laziness) |
| 03:23.50 | popt | apt-key 1F41B907 |
| 03:23.55 | popt | what is this key? |
| 03:24.02 | Vasistha | popt: like this ... |
| 03:24.07 | Vasistha | !apt-get 1F41B907 |
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| 03:24.10 | Vasistha | erm |
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| 03:24.14 | Vasistha | !apt-key 1F41B907 |
| 03:24.14 | dpkg | gpg --keyserver subkeys.pgp.net --recv-keys 1F41B907 ; gpg --export 1F41B907 | sudo apt-key add - |
| 03:24.17 | popt | the key for <debian-multimedia.etch>? |
| 03:24.36 | Vasistha | popt: but, preferably, /msg dpkg apt-key 1F41B907 |
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| 03:24.44 | kgoetz | Vasistha: jees. `visudo`, 10 characters and your done :) |
| 03:24.50 | popt | yes |
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| 03:25.04 | popt | run it as root? |
| 03:25.09 | Vasistha | yeah |
| 03:25.13 | popt | okay |
| 03:25.47 | Led_Zeppelin1 | if i have something like this, 141.128.72.0/25, what is the subnet for that? |
| 03:25.55 | Vasistha | kgoetz: all the same, I kind of like having a *separate* password for that root-requiring stuff ... so su -c is still feeling appealing |
| 03:25.56 | muh2000 | vmware module building fails: http://nopaste.org/p/aIj6TV4Db :/ |
| 03:26.14 | kgoetz | Vasistha: sudo can ask for the root password |
| 03:26.22 | Vasistha | Led_Zeppelin1: I think wikipedia has a good article on subnets that should set you straight |
| 03:26.29 | Vasistha | kgoetz: okay, okay, I'll learn sudo :) |
| 03:26.40 | abrotman | !info ipcalc etch |
| 03:26.43 | dpkg | ipcalc: (parameter calculator for IPv4 addresses), section net, is optional. Version: 0.41-1 (etch), Packaged size: 25 kB, Installed size: 128 kB |
| 03:26.55 | kgoetz | Vasistha: hehe. sorry :$ |
| 03:27.13 | Tramp | 141.128.72.0 is the subnet. It extends to ~.128 |
| 03:27.25 | Tramp | aeh .127 |
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| 03:28.42 | Vasistha | muh2000: you might have more luck in #vmware |
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| 03:31.22 | popt | after changing source.list, apt-get upgrade, what appname to get adobereader? |
| 03:31.30 | popt | apt-get install <>? |
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| 03:31.57 | muh2000 | ok |
| 03:32.08 | popt | apt-get install acroread mozilla-acroread |
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| 03:33.04 | Vasistha | popt: yeah, you got it. |
| 03:33.16 | popt | yes, got it:) |
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| 03:34.16 | popt | the mirror is Fast! 300kb+ |
| 03:34.36 | dalias | that's not a good reason to install malware |
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| 03:34.57 | Vasistha | haha |
| 03:34.58 | dalias | "now i can get my malware fast so let's install lots of malware!!" |
| 03:35.01 | popt | yesm I know adobe is a malware |
| 03:35.07 | popt | but have to use it |
| 03:35.10 | dalias | no |
| 03:35.14 | dalias | i just told you earlier |
| 03:35.21 | dalias | ANY free pdf reader can do what you want |
| 03:35.21 | mzanfardino | question: I'm using QuickVPN via wine to connect to my company net. QuickVPN connects successfully, but now I don't know what to do. Anyone have any experience with vpn, QuickVPN or otherwise? |
| 03:35.22 | jngu1 | Hello all. I'm unable to mount my /boot partition. It claims that it is either busy or mounted, which it should be neither. |
| 03:35.39 | dalias | evince or the kde one is probably the most featureful |
| 03:35.44 | Vasistha | popt: beware, acrobat reader now embeds javascript that can "phone home" and tell companies/people what you are reading |
| 03:35.45 | popt | dalias, but you told me to use a command pdf2text |
| 03:35.46 | jngu1 | /dev/sda1, whihch is where /boot should be is not part of the lvm. as far as I can tell. If someone can help me verify this, it would be appreciated. |
| 03:35.48 | dalias | xpdf is the fastest and least bloated |
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| 03:35.57 | dalias | popt, i told you that pdftotext is _also_ available |
| 03:35.59 | Led_Zeppelin1 | is it possible to find a gateway of a host with only an ip address? |
| 03:36.02 | dalias | in addition to any of these programs |
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| 03:36.11 | dalias | and pdftotext will do what you need to |
| 03:36.13 | Vasistha | jngu1: type 'mount' and see if it is listed |
| 03:36.15 | popt | man, I don't want to pdf2text|grep every time I paste or cut from pdf |
| 03:36.17 | dalias | too* |
| 03:36.20 | jngu1 | it is not. |
| 03:36.28 | dalias | popt, then use evince or xpdf or kpdf |
| 03:36.45 | dalias | it's not rocket science... |
| 03:37.44 | Vasistha | Led_Zeppelin1: what exactly do you want? does 'ifconfig' show you what you need to know? |
| 03:38.53 | jngu1 | Vasistha: I don't think he has access to the machine. |
| 03:38.54 | Vasistha | jngu1: unfortunately I don't have any experience with lvm ... you might get some useful info from fdisk -l /dev/sda |
| 03:39.03 | jngu1 | yea |
| 03:39.09 | jngu1 | I've been working on this for 5+ hours |
| 03:39.15 | Vasistha | yikes |
| 03:39.21 | jngu1 | saw that a long time ago. |
| 03:39.25 | jngu1 | meh. |
| 03:39.27 | jngu1 | thanks though |
| 03:39.42 | Vasistha | jngu1: someone in here ought to be able to help you, but the chan's kinda quiet atm. |
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| 03:40.01 | GuHHH | does someone uses amavis + postfix + spamassassin? |
| 03:40.01 | popt | dalias, what's the appname:: Couldn't find package pdftotext |
| 03:41.03 | Vasistha | popt: probably xpdf-utils |
| 03:41.03 | GuHHH | does someone uses amavis + postfix + spamassassin? i need help. my spams are not getting tagged or any spam headers... |
| 03:41.05 | dalias | xpdf-utils or something |
| 03:41.21 | popt | ok |
| 03:43.11 | popt | wait, if I install xpdf-utils, it forces to remove my plone-site ..??? |
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| 03:43.36 | Vasistha | dalias: btw, how do you enable text selection and copy/paste in xpdf? I've never seen it |
| 03:43.37 | popt | dependence |
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| 03:47.21 | brianski | is there a way to programmatically determine which tty has "focus" (ie which is being used?) i want my computer to send me a nag email if i forget and leave a text console open so that when my girlfriend goes to the computer she doesn't complain that the gui isn't there |
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| 03:47.47 | Vasistha | hehe. can't you just put a post-it note on the screen with instructions on how to get to the gui? |
| 03:48.14 | dalias | why not just run a program on the console that switches to the X vt when it's idle too long? |
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| 03:48.47 | nofxx | hey , etch comes with 2.4.x or 2.6.x kernel ? |
| 03:49.11 | dalias | i'm 99% sure it's 2.6 |
| 03:49.12 | popt | 2.6 |
| 03:49.13 | dalias | anyone else? |
| 03:49.22 | nofxx | thanks |
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| 03:50.00 | Vasistha | 2.6 -- does it even include 2.4 anymore as an option? |
| 03:50.15 | abrotman | no |
| 03:50.23 | abrotman | it's not even supported |
| 03:51.39 | nofxx | ok nice... im looking for a php/ruby server... objective is just speed, cuz its going to be hosted on a lan, no much issues with security |
| 03:52.29 | nofxx | gonna try debian, centos and freebsd |
| 03:53.46 | popt | which option to convert the whole pdf? |
| 03:53.55 | popt | for pdftotext |
| 03:54.03 | popt | cannot fint it |
| 03:54.34 | popt | pdftotext <?option> 1.pdf 1.txt |
| 03:54.36 | brianski | Vasistha, dalias - yeah, those would work, i just figure there must be some way to see which vty is "on" |
| 03:55.21 | dalias | look for the one with most recent ctime |
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| 03:55.33 | popt | pdftotext -f -l 1.pdf 1.txt? |
| 03:55.35 | Vasistha | or just leave the channel without waiting for more suggestions :) |
| 03:56.15 | Vasistha | popt: I usually just do, e.g., pdftotext 1.pdf |
| 03:56.25 | Vasistha | popt: ...and it automatically creates a file called 1.txt with the output |
| 03:56.53 | Vasistha | popt: -f and -l require page-number params |
| 03:57.02 | popt | I read it from man, it does say: .txt |
| 03:57.11 | popt | pdftotext 1.pdf 1.txt |
| 03:58.26 | Vasistha | popt: what version of debian are you using? I see no such examples, but I do see that "If text-file is not specified, pdftotext converts file.pdf to file.txt" |
| 03:58.31 | popt | I know i know encoding problem |
| 03:58.39 | popt | I try to convert a Non-En doc |
| 03:58.58 | popt | yes |
| 03:59.02 | Vasistha | oh :) yeah, yours may be different |
| 04:00.20 | popt | any way I can know what's the encoding of original pdf file |
| 04:00.24 | popt | have to find it |
| 04:00.30 | popt | let me try |
| 04:01.02 | popt | Vasistha, yes, your sugguestion works |
| 04:01.08 | popt | only for En doc |
| 04:02.48 | Vasistha | popt: when you say "I can know what's the encoding..." -- are you asking how you figure out the encoding of the original pdf? |
| 04:03.10 | popt | yes |
| 04:03.27 | popt | sorry, didn't get u accoss |
| 04:03.43 | popt | across |
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| 04:05.29 | abrotman | !qotd0 |
| 04:05.30 | dpkg | <gomba> Can anyone help me to solve a light mounting problem? <sussudio> gomba: you turn the bulb |
| 04:05.57 | Vasistha | haha |
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| 04:10.54 | abrotman | !flw |
| 04:10.54 | dpkg | rumour has it, flw7 is <nickv111> I use unstable and have never run into problems |
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| 04:12.59 | Ryan52 | How can I share a printer connected to my windows computer with my linux computer? |
| 04:13.12 | liable | samba |
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| 04:13.42 | Ryan52 | does that require that there is a linux driver for the printer though? because there isn't |
| 04:13.59 | abrotman | smbprint |
| 04:14.48 | liable | postscript hopefully |
| 04:15.25 | Vasistha | popt: I've looked around a bit, and haven't found anything. good luck to you! |
| 04:15.27 | kgoetz | i only do network printers - if it doesnt speak postscript, its not a printer :) |
| 04:15.40 | Ryan52 | okay |
| 04:15.59 | Ryan52 | thanks |
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| 04:16.24 | popt | never mind |
| 04:16.27 | popt | thanks |
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| 04:29.33 | kgoetz | whats end-of-line? ^ = start of line, i cant remmber EOL :| |
| 04:29.41 | Tramp | $ |
| 04:29.47 | kgoetz | thanks |
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| 04:30.27 | mot_ | what is a good piece of software, preferably non-gui (ncurses would be fine) that would actively monitor and attempt to detect network intrusions/probes? |
| 04:30.33 | mot_ | as in some sort of network monitor that one would run if one were to setup an old box as a firewall/gateway |
| 04:31.36 | abrotman | mot_: apt-cache search intrusion |
| 04:32.42 | mot_ | is that an actual package? |
| 04:33.00 | Penix | take a guess |
| 04:33.06 | mot_ | didn't think so |
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| 04:36.25 | bucky | what would dpkg -P aptitiude apt dpkg do if anything |
| 04:37.44 | Penix | probably tell you not to do that |
| 04:37.58 | abrotman | bucky: try it |
| 04:39.50 | Rusty1 | mot_ http://www.snort.org/ perhaps ? |
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| 04:40.02 | bucky | hmm.. nothin much |
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| 04:46.30 | bucky | how come daniel j bernstien says exim is insecure? |
| 04:46.55 | Penix | I could say that |
| 04:47.03 | CaT[tm] | because it's not designed like qmail. |
| 04:47.07 | pradeep | Where can I find the latest i386 -testing CD iso? This: http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/weekly-builds/i386/iso-cd/ is empty |
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| 04:47.15 | dalias | qmail has a KNOWN DOCUMENTED vuln which djb refuses to fix |
| 04:47.22 | dalias | and he also refuses to pay up to the person who found it |
| 04:47.32 | CaT[tm] | what's the vuln? |
| 04:47.36 | dalias | even tho he promised $100 (or was it $1000?) to anyone who finds a vuln |
| 04:47.37 | abrotman | bucky: djb is a crackpot |
| 04:47.41 | bucky | ic |
| 04:47.50 | abrotman | !djb |
| 04:47.50 | dpkg | rumour has it, djb is an arrogant jerk, or Daniel J. Bernstein, author of qmail, djbdns, etc., or at http://cr.yp.to/djb.html, or a UNIX coding and mathematics genius, or an ego-maniac. See "wanker". |
| 04:48.14 | liable | heh, i like the last one |
| 04:48.21 | dalias | http://www.guninski.com/where_do_you_want_billg_to_go_today_4.html |
| 04:48.25 | dalias | qmail vuln there |
| 04:48.26 | bucky | !wanker |
| 04:48.26 | dpkg | [wanker] giving the palm pilot a flight, massaging Kojak's head. Fuck, someone pass me the tissues. |
| 04:48.41 | Penix | kojak. hah |
| 04:49.13 | dalias | cat[tm], see that url for the vuln info |
| 04:49.25 | pradeep | thanks ... |
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| 04:50.33 | CaT[tm] | dallas: ah. thanksd. |
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| 04:51.32 | zythmer | dalias: it was $500 and he recently raised it to $1,000 |
| 04:52.08 | dalias | and yet he refuses to pay up |
| 04:52.09 | dalias | useless |
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| 04:53.12 | KL | hi everybody |
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| 04:53.39 | Pobega | Greetings everyone. |
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| 04:54.03 | KL | i have a problem, can somebody help me? |
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| 04:54.11 | Pobega | I have a silly question -- I have Xvfb running on display :0, but I can't figure out how to actually get to display :0. Anyone have any clues? |
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| 04:54.38 | KL | is anybody there? |
| 04:54.51 | kgoetz | !tell KL about ask |
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| 04:55.18 | gravity | Pobega: Get to it, like view it? |
| 04:55.29 | gravity | I think that goes against the entire idea of xvfb |
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| 04:55.56 | KL | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:56.16 | KL | when i run compiz-manager i says Xgl: not present |
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| 04:56.58 | kgoetz | *hears door slam* |
| 04:57.11 | KL | i think my xorg.conf is bad configured.. |
| 04:57.42 | gravity | KL: Are you using fglrx? |
| 04:57.51 | KL | gravity: yes |
| 04:57.51 | gravity | Or the xorg ati driver? |
| 04:58.04 | Pobega | gravity: Really? I thought the idea of Xvfb was an X server on the framebuffer. What is the exact purpose of it then? |
| 04:58.17 | gravity | KL: Apparently you need the newest flglrx to not use Xgl |
| 04:58.33 | KL | im using the propietary newest drivers from ATI |
| 04:58.36 | Pobega | I just found it while randomly searching for interface::framebuffer, so I'm probably just misunderstood the documentation. |
| 04:58.42 | gravity | Pobega: The xfvb manpage has a very good summary |
| 04:58.51 | gravity | Pobega: You probably want xephyr or xnest |
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| 04:59.00 | fisxo1 | KL: the open-source driver does work with compiz, though |
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| 04:59.12 | gravity | Not radeonhd though, if you need that |
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| 04:59.29 | KL | gravity: could you let me show you my xorg.conf, i think there is a problem.. |
| 04:59.45 | gravity | KL: I'm not useful at all for fglrx |
| 04:59.53 | gravity | I'm the wrong person to ask |
| 04:59.53 | KL | fisxo1: i heard that the open source ones present some troubles.. |
| 05:00.06 | KL | gravity: mm ok |
| 05:00.33 | fisxo1 | KL: it's possible, I have a radeon mobility 9600, and it worked fine, I just couldn't use 3d through wine, otherwise, things were wonderful |
| 05:00.33 | KL | fisxo1: what about you, do you think you could take a look to my xorg.conf?? |
| 05:00.46 | fisxo1 | KL: I'm not expert, but, I'll look... put it in a pastebin? |
| 05:00.55 | fisxo1 | *not an expert |
| 05:01.12 | KL | fisxo1: thanks a lot,.. |
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| 05:02.17 | Nyle | hey whats goin gon |
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| 05:03.59 | KL | fisxo1: here is it: http://pastebin.com/m7ddc5916 |
| 05:04.21 | fisxo1 | KL: no garuntees, what's the problem? |
| 05:04.35 | fisxo1 | ok, no compiz... |
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| 05:05.00 | fisxo1 | actually, can you run 'glxinfo | grep texture_from_pixmap' |
| 05:05.07 | fisxo1 | that will be useful too |
| 05:05.31 | indraveni | hi all |
| 05:05.55 | KL | fisxo1: appear this : GLX_EXT_import_context, GLX_EXT_texture_from_pixmap, GLX_OML_swap_method, GLX_SGIX_visual_select_group, GLX_EXT_texture_from_pixmap |
| 05:05.56 | robink | Anyone here know how to get a GX2-based system working with X (using the integrated video)? |
| 05:06.00 | xaque | Anyone know how to build a degraded raid1 using mdamd? |
| 05:06.14 | fisxo1 | KL: are there 3 lines of output? I can't tell from that |
| 05:06.34 | KL | fisxo1: two lines |
| 05:06.37 | indraveni | good morning, I have downloaded the debian repo for i386 architectur of lenny, using debmirror command and now if i want to downlaod the amd64 architecture also, then can I repeat the command with -a i386,amd64 option on the same folder ? will it remove the prev downloaded content or overwrite the contnt |
| 05:06.40 | Pobega | What happened to the Ion3 package? I thought it was renamed, I can't seem to find it in the repositories. |
| 05:06.50 | KL | fisxo1: the first: GLX_EXT_import_context, GLX_EXT_texture_from_pixmap, GLX_OML_swap_method, |
| 05:07.03 | KL | fisxo1: the second: GLX_SGIX_visual_select_group, GLX_EXT_texture_from_pixmap |
| 05:07.22 | fisxo1 | ok.... |
| 05:07.23 | robink | The nsc driver says it can't map something to the framebuffer, and the amd driver only runs in 640x480 and then seems to halt the system when it exits. |
| 05:08.16 | liable | it does have one actually iirc |
| 05:09.01 | fisxo1 | let's see... maybe you need the Option "XAANoOffscreenPixmaps" "true" line in the device section |
| 05:09.07 | fisxo1 | I think I needed that |
| 05:09.30 | fisxo1 | beyond that, things look good |
| 05:09.31 | markybob | indraveni yes. no. |
| 05:09.42 | KL | fisxo1: do you see that i have two "Device" sections?? is that normal |
| 05:09.43 | KL | ? |
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| 05:09.51 | Kodomut | hi how do i set up a mirror in sources.list |
| 05:10.22 | indraveni | markybob, what does that mean ? |
| 05:10.23 | fisxo1 | KL: you can delete the one that has Driver "ati" in it |
| 05:10.28 | markybob | Kodomut man sources.list |
| 05:10.28 | fisxo1 | that's no longer being used |
| 05:10.42 | indraveni | Kodomut, which mirror u want to setup, stable or testing ? |
| 05:10.49 | markybob | indraveni yes to your first question: you can run it in the same directory. no to your second question: it wont erase or overwrite |
| 05:10.52 | fisxo1 | or you can leave it, if you want |
| 05:10.56 | fisxo1 | it doesn't really matter |
| 05:11.12 | gravity | I'm so very glad that we've shrunk the xorg.conf |
| 05:11.43 | fisxo1 | KL: aticonfig-Device[0] is used by aticonfig-Screen[0], which is in the server layout section, so that device gets used |
| 05:11.48 | Kodomut | indraveni stable |
| 05:11.56 | atomiku | !words |
| 05:11.56 | dpkg | hmm... words is "This is such a paradoxical time right now. It is the age of information and the age of misinformation. There was a time when people thought that something printed in a newspaper must be true. It's not like that online, but it almost is. ... but then you realize that it's just words, and that anybody can say anything at all." (http://www.villagevoice.com/issues/0112/ferrandino.shtml) |
| 05:11.57 | atmiku | I know 33253 words (243524 contexts, 7.32 per word), 32582 lines. |
| 05:11.58 | KL | ok, ive already done that, but when i restarted the X, it brokes up, because "ati", that section, is referred in the Monitor Section |
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| 05:12.33 | KL | fisxo1: sorry, referred in the Screen section, do you se that? |
| 05:12.42 | liable | atomiku: not a good idea to have a bot with that trigger here |
| 05:12.51 | fisxo1 | yea |
| 05:13.06 | KL | fisxo1: do i need to delete that part also? |
| 05:13.14 | fisxo1 | haha, you have two of everything |
| 05:13.40 | fisxo1 | you don't need to delete any of it, if it's not connected to something in the Sever Layout section, it won't be used, but, you can delete it for that reason |
| 05:14.46 | KL | jaja yeah, think i might delete the other Screen section, the one of " #Section "Screen" Identifier "Default Screen" Device "ATI Technologies Inc RC410 [Radeon Xpress 200]" |
| 05:14.51 | KL | fisxo1: right? |
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| 05:15.20 | fisxo1 | yep! that's the one that xorg put in there originally |
| 05:15.27 | KL | ok |
| 05:15.30 | fisxo1 | the other one is the one the fglrx installer put in |
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| 05:15.47 | KL | let me do that and ill tell you what happend.. |
| 05:15.50 | indraveni | Kodomut, then add the following in ur soruces.list |
| 05:15.54 | KL | be right back |
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| 05:16.09 | indraveni | deb http://ftp.se.debian.org/debian etch main contrib non-free |
| 05:17.24 | homecable | !words |
| 05:17.25 | dpkg | [words] "This is such a paradoxical time right now. It is the age of information and the age of misinformation. There was a time when people thought that something printed in a newspaper must be true. It's not like that online, but it almost is. ... but then you realize that it's just words, and that anybody can say anything at all." (http://www.villagevoice.com/issues/0112/ferrandino.shtml) |
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| 05:18.03 | homecable | !words hey girl |
| 05:18.18 | markybob | homecable stop that. /msg the bot if you wanna play. not in here |
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| 05:18.32 | Zippy2 | lol |
| 05:18.39 | homecable | lol |
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| 05:18.59 | Zippy2 | theres no games in #debian!! get back to work! |
| 05:20.13 | dto | how do I play a Quicktime file that uses the Animation codec on Debian? |
| 05:20.26 | Orion_X11 | How do I get more screensaver. I have only a few in gnome |
| 05:20.49 | dto | Orion_X11: install xscreensaver |
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| 05:21.58 | Orion_X11 | dto: already installed |
| 05:22.37 | markybob | Orion_X11 sure you dont have gnome-screensaver installed instead? |
| 05:22.59 | KL | fisxo1: mm, the errr persists, but i didnt add the other option that you said, the Device option, heres how my xorg.conf is right now and the error of compiz-manager : http://pastebin.com/m2c5144cd |
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| 05:24.42 | Orion_X11 | markybob: I do. But, I only have 5 types of screensaver > :( |
| 05:25.13 | markybob | Orion_X11 "i do" isnt a proper answer. which of the two do you have? you can only have one or the other |
| 05:26.01 | fisxo1 | KL: It looks like it passes all of the graphics tests and has some authentication error |
| 05:26.38 | fisxo1 | I think your Xorg is ok, you should search for that SmcOpenConnection failed error on google or something, and see if someone else had that error |
| 05:26.51 | fisxo1 | We've moved beyond my ken |
| 05:27.04 | KL | fisxo1: the thing is that the wobbly windows effect and also the cube appear after that, but few seconds later the screen get corrupted |
| 05:27.08 | Orion_X11 | markybob: I have gnome-screensaver and xcreensaver installed here |
| 05:27.35 | KL | fisxo1: but, that SmcOpenConnection failed is also related to the non presence of Xgl?? |
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| 05:28.26 | markybob | Orion_X11 stop sniffing the glue. kill gnome-screensaver and load up xscreensaver and see if that has enough to suit you |
| 05:29.13 | fisxo1 | KL: I don't know, I don't know anything about Xgl, I've only used AIGLX |
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| 05:29.47 | fisxo1 | I think you're ok, because, after it says Xgl: not present, it starts emerald, which seems to mean it thinks it has everything it needs to run |
| 05:29.55 | fisxo1 | but, again, I don't know that software |
| 05:30.20 | KL | fisxo1: but why is it trying to use Xgl, it is supposed that the new ati driver support AIGLX...??? |
| 05:30.42 | Jyzygzel- | ls -l does not show the files that start with . |
| 05:30.48 | Nyle | you have to use -a |
| 05:30.52 | Nyle | ls -al |
| 05:30.57 | Jyzygzel- | :[ |
| 05:30.58 | Nyle | man ls |
| 05:31.05 | fisxo1 | KL: It might check for both, to see what's available |
| 05:31.17 | fisxo1 | it also checks for indirect rendering, which sounds like aiglx |
| 05:32.06 | KL | fisxo1: dindt know that indirect rendering was the same of aiglx |
| 05:32.26 | KL | sorry |
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| 05:34.32 | fisxo1 | KL: no worries, I think it is there, though, so, graphics-wise, I think you're ok |
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| 05:35.02 | Jyzygzel- | how do i copy all the files on the current directory that start with dot (.) to another directory |
| 05:35.33 | KL | fisxo1: thanks anyways, hmm another thing, what was the option that you mentioned, XaaNoOffscreenPixmaps..?? |
| 05:35.43 | markybob | Jyzygzel- cp -a current/.* newdir/ |
| 05:35.48 | dalias | BAD idea |
| 05:35.51 | dalias | .* would include . |
| 05:35.56 | Jyzygzel- | yea |
| 05:36.00 | dalias | and .. |
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| 05:36.13 | Jyzygzel- | i tried: cp -r .* foobar/ |
| 05:36.14 | dalias | you want .[!.]* and ..?* |
| 05:36.20 | dalias | also never use cp -r |
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| 05:36.21 | dalias | use cp -a |
| 05:36.23 | Jyzygzel- | somehow my .bashrc file ended up there |
| 05:36.27 | dalias | cp -r is a broken version of cp -a |
| 05:36.52 | Jyzygzel- | so: cp -a .* foobar/ |
| 05:37.09 | Jyzygzel- | its prolly gonna do something stupid |
| 05:37.15 | dalias | VERY stupid |
| 05:37.17 | Jyzygzel- | i have to escape the dot? |
| 05:37.17 | dalias | do not do that |
| 05:37.22 | dalias | .* would include . and maybe also .. |
| 05:37.27 | Jyzygzel- | yea |
| 05:37.31 | dalias | you want |
| 05:37.32 | Jyzygzel- | can i \.* |
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| 05:37.40 | kgoetz | .???* |
| 05:37.44 | Jyzygzel- | so it would escape |
| 05:37.48 | ginoman | help me, I think my debian install is borked!!!!!! |
| 05:37.50 | dalias | cp -a .[!.]* ..?* foobar/ |
| 05:38.05 | ginoman | it won't let me use adept/apt/aptitude |
| 05:38.45 | Jyzygzel- | o lawd what is that |
| 05:38.45 | Jyzygzel- | why not: cp -a "\.*" foobar/ |
| 05:38.45 | dalias | .[!.]* means all files that start with a ., then a character other than a dot |
| 05:38.45 | markybob | ginoman are you root? have you considered giving us an actual error? |
| 05:38.45 | ginoman | it's saying that something else is using the package database but ps -A reveals nothign |
| 05:38.54 | ginoman | it's a dialog box |
| 05:38.57 | ginoman | in adept |
| 05:38.59 | dalias | ..?* means all files which start with 2 dots then at least one other character |
| 05:39.00 | Jyzygzel- | jesus |
| 05:39.06 | Jyzygzel- | someone had to make it hard |
| 05:39.09 | dalias | :) |
| 05:39.16 | Nyle | dhi |
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| 05:39.23 | Jyzygzel- | cp: cannot stat `..?*': No such file or directory |
| 05:39.26 | Nyle | hi |
| 05:39.26 | Jyzygzel- | nice command |
| 05:39.44 | dalias | i guess there are no such files as that pattern would match |
| 05:39.47 | dalias | but it's no problem |
| 05:40.01 | Jyzygzel- | what regex does it use |
| 05:40.26 | dalias | it's filename patterns, aka glob |
| 05:40.27 | dalias | not regex |
| 05:40.45 | Jyzygzel- | well ic |
| 05:40.54 | Jyzygzel- | so is ! the escape character |
| 05:41.26 | Jyzygzel- | apparently not |
| 05:42.46 | Jyzygzel- | geez |
| 05:42.49 | ginoman | and now apt works |
| 05:42.55 | ginoman | insanely odd |
| 05:42.56 | Jyzygzel- | im just gonna have to do it file by file |
| 05:43.09 | dalias | try ^ instead of ! |
| 05:43.24 | dalias | ! is more correct but by default bash does idiotic things with ! when in interactive mode |
| 05:43.45 | Jyzygzel- | cp -a ^.* foobar/ |
| 05:43.47 | Jyzygzel- | not really working |
| 05:43.59 | manu_hack | now the sudo is updated all of a sudden I don't get used to it :) |
| 05:44.35 | Jyzygzel- | tried to copy them with mc but it seg faults |
| 05:44.39 | Jyzygzel- | nice file managing |
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| 05:49.13 | xaque | With LVM, I think you can expand a partition. How does the filesystem handle that? |
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| 05:50.36 | jariep1_ | hello all |
| 05:50.42 | jariep1_ | i have a question about debian |
| 05:50.57 | jariep1_ | how do i activate Gnome i already installed |
| 05:51.04 | jariep1_ | X11 is installed |
| 05:51.10 | xaque | jariep1_: startx |
| 05:51.11 | jariep1_ | i use apt-get |
| 05:51.14 | markybob | Jyzygzel- done listening to someone who gave you two commands that didnt work or not yet? |
| 05:51.16 | jariep1_ | it won't start |
| 05:51.27 | xaque | grep EE /var/log/Xorg.0.log |
| 05:51.30 | jariep1_ | i installed 3.1r5 and it upgraded etch packages |
| 05:52.01 | markybob | !xsession |
| 05:52.01 | dpkg | hmm... xsession is ~/.xsession is used for both XDM and 'startx', when there's no ~/.xinitrc. [See: startx(1)], or best initialized as `echo -e "#! /bin/sh\nsource $HOME/.bash_profile\nsource $HOME/.xinitrc" >$HOME/.xsession', or see this URL for some other tips: http://www.hantslug.org.uk/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?LinuxHints/StartX |
| 05:52.39 | markybob | jariep1_ basically, create ~/.xsession and add exec gnome-session to it |
| 05:53.00 | jariep1_ | ok markybob |
| 05:53.08 | jariep1_ | what editor do you recommend |
| 05:53.20 | jariep1_ | that is easy for novices i can install |
| 05:53.24 | jariep1_ | at command line |
| 05:53.25 | markybob | nano is easy for novice |
| 05:53.30 | jariep1_ | command line text editor |
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| 05:55.00 | KL | hi everybody, i have a problem with compiz, im desperated, when i try to launch compiz-manager it says Xgl: not present, and also appear this error compiz (core) - Warn: SmcOpenConnection failed: Authentication Rejected, reason : None of the authentication protocols specified are supported and host-based authentication failed.. whats going on?? |
| 05:55.08 | xaque | How can I grow an LVM? Is there a particular filesystem that I need to do this? |
| 05:55.55 | lymeca | dondelelcaro: Are you there to help me with anonftpsync? |
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| 05:56.18 | markybob | xaque http://www.trueblade.com/knowledge/resizing-an-lvm-partition.html |
| 05:56.55 | xaque | markybob: thanks! |
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| 06:11.19 | Bl4ckSBA | Hi everyone ! |
| 06:11.36 | Bl4ckSBA | Some questions aswing you |
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| 06:12.06 | jariep1_ | what do i need to install in order to get startx to work |
| 06:12.30 | jariep1_ | which package for GUI graphical user interface |
| 06:12.39 | jariep1_ | is there a meta package |
| 06:12.50 | markybob | jariep1_ depends what you want startx to do, really |
| 06:12.52 | jariep1_ | for graphical display manager |
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| 06:13.03 | jariep1_ | i want to instal Gnome |
| 06:13.06 | jariep1_ | with X11 |
| 06:13.22 | jariep1_ | or xorg |
| 06:13.57 | markybob | jariep1_ apt-get install gnome xorg |
| 06:14.31 | markybob | jariep1_ then add whatever you want it to load to ~/.xsession ...however, you sound like a guy who should be using gdm instead of startx |
| 06:14.34 | Bl4ckSBA | :) |
| 06:14.37 | Bl4ckSBA | RTFM |
| 06:15.04 | bytekode | jariep1_: aptitude install gnome |
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| 06:15.13 | bytekode | that'll pull in everything |
| 06:15.18 | markybob | jariep1_ /etc/init.d/gdm start after installing gnome (which includes gdm) |
| 06:15.19 | Bl4ckSBA | hey all |
| 06:15.42 | markybob | bytekode not really. sometimes it misses xorg shit. |
| 06:18.06 | markybob | Bl4ckSBA still waiting for a question |
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| 06:19.10 | fisxo1 | KL: have you tried running "compiz --replace"? |
| 06:20.02 | Bl4ckSBA | Good I thus do not speak English to try to include/understand... Good here I want to put the data of my disc-hard at zero ( 011111... --> 000000...) But there is no program for linux: ( . Did somebody how do? |
| 06:21.04 | markybob | Bl4ckSBA not sure i understand, but maybe cat /dev/zero > /dev/disk is what you want? |
| 06:21.20 | Bl4ckSBA | no |
| 06:21.24 | Bl4ckSBA | humm |
| 06:21.53 | dalias | mentioning that to someone whose english is not good is rather cruel... |
| 06:21.53 | Bl4ckSBA | wait 2 minute please i will try to find the page explication |
| 06:22.50 | markybob | dalias yes. i get my jolies off of fucking people over. |
| 06:23.25 | Bl4ckSBA | :( |
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| 06:23.45 | markybob | i guess sarcasm doesnt translate well :p |
| 06:23.50 | dalias | i once told somebody, jokingly, that mke2fs was the command to mount ntfs, with a warning DO NOT ACTUALLY DO THIS in the same line |
| 06:23.54 | dalias | and they did it... :( |
| 06:24.01 | fisxo1 | maybe he wants to format the disk? |
| 06:24.24 | markybob | who knows. sounded to me like he just wanted a wipe. *shrug* |
| 06:24.43 | fisxo1 | put the data of his hard-disk to zero |
| 06:24.49 | fisxo1 | just my guess :) |
| 06:24.58 | markybob | yeah. that's what cat /dev/zero > /dev/disk does :) |
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| 06:29.21 | fisxo1 | oh, ok |
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| 06:29.42 | fisxo1 | good to know |
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| 06:39.57 | Usiu | Hi |
| 06:40.42 | Usiu | I want to create directory and touch file in postinst debian packaging script.. however only mkdir is executed while touch is in the same if, now even the same line |
| 06:40.51 | Usiu | Any ideas whats going on ? |
| 06:41.19 | theatro | inside { } ? |
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| 06:42.28 | theatro | Usiu do you understand? |
| 06:42.57 | Usiu | theatro, no inside a then .. fi |
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| 06:43.43 | theatro | the block of commands you want to execute when the test condition is true or false must be inside a pair of { } |
| 06:44.29 | Usiu | theatro, no like in bash ? if [ -d .. ] then .. fi |
| 06:44.53 | Usiu | theatro, moreover no its single command |
| 06:45.06 | theatro | paste it |
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| 06:46.22 | Usiu | theatro, http://cannibal.kaduk.net/~mateusz/postin.txt |
| 06:46.35 | markybob | bhaal? after the heathen god bahaal? |
| 06:47.06 | markybob | Usiu if you want some postin examples, apt-get source mysql-server |
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| 06:49.56 | Usiu | markybob, Do You knbow smaller example ? |
| 06:50.23 | jhulst | Is this the best guide to installing Nvidia driver? http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers#head-bae079b46519cdb997c0ecb8ed33528a17864946 |
| 06:50.43 | markybob | Usiu no, not off the top of my head while i've been drinking. sorry :p |
| 06:51.13 | markybob | jhulst hell no |
| 06:51.15 | markybob | !nvidia one-liner |
| 06:51.15 | dpkg | well, nvidia one-liner is apt-get install nvidia-kernel-2.6-`uname -r | sed 's,.*-,,g'` nvidia-settings nvidia-glx && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg (if you're on amd64, also install nvidia-glx-ia32. Using sarge? Ask me about <nvidia_sarge>. Homegrown or kernel from testing/sid: <nvidia_post_etch>. If you're using a Geforce2 or older: <nvidia_legacy>. |
| 06:52.10 | Usiu | markybob, 18mb ;] |
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| 06:52.28 | jhulst | markybob: I get Couldn't find package nvidia-kernel-2.6-amd64 |
| 06:52.53 | markybob | jhulst hrm. what are you using? etch? |
| 06:53.14 | jhulst | markybob: lenny |
| 06:53.20 | lhadji | !ati one-liner |
| 06:53.20 | dpkg | The binary driver made available by ATI. See <fglrx one-liner> for installation. See http://www.linuks.mine.nu/ati/fglrx-driver for a non-Debian installation method, or currently not working with xorg > 7.1. Downgrade xserver-xorg-core to 7.1 for the time being if you are on testing/unstable. See also <fglrx 2.6.21>. |
| 06:53.20 | markybob | jhulst and do you have contrib non-free sources ? |
| 06:53.26 | Azar | jhulst: there is no driver for nvidia in lenny |
| 06:53.28 | Azar | yet |
| 06:53.46 | Azar | so markybob yeah, he has to compile the blob |
| 06:53.56 | markybob | or backport from sid |
| 06:54.07 | Usiu | theatro, ? |
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| 06:54.15 | Azar | markybob: not sure if sid has a nvidia the debian way |
| 06:54.30 | markybob | has to. i use it :p |
| 06:54.44 | Azar | ah ok |
| 06:54.45 | markybob | that's why i assumed lenny did |
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| 06:56.04 | Azar | then nvidia post etch |
| 06:56.20 | theatro | Usiu, I am looking at that http://www.debian.org/doc/maint-guide/index.en.html#contents |
| 06:56.41 | jhulst | markybob: so should I backport or compile it? |
| 06:56.51 | Azar | jhulst: in any case add non-free contrib to your sources just in case |
| 06:57.00 | jhulst | Azar: It is |
| 06:57.03 | markybob | jhulst i'd backport. it's a bit safer |
| 06:57.09 | Azar | !nvidia_post_etch |
| 06:57.09 | dpkg | well, nvidia_post_etch is update-pciids && apt-get install module-assistant nvidia-kernel-source && m-a prepare && m-a a-i nvidia && apt-get install nvidia-glx && depmod -a && modprobe nvidia && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg |
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| 06:57.18 | Azar | try that |
| 06:57.21 | Usiu | theatro, maybe I am missing ; after ] |
| 06:58.05 | jhulst | Azar: Package nvidia-kernel-source is not available, but is referred to by another package. |
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| 06:58.32 | Usiu | theatro, looks like sh postinst now does the job |
| 06:58.39 | lech | could anyone help me with mounting a USB device with access for certain users outside of root? |
| 06:58.54 | Usiu | theatro, I found example postinst after 5min of googling;/ |
| 06:59.05 | Usiu | theatro, maybe 10min |
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| 07:00.13 | theatro | it is a bash script then? |
| 07:00.30 | Usiu | theatro, yes |
| 07:00.49 | theatro | oh ok, I was confused about the scripting language here |
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| 07:01.24 | Usiu | theatro, linda and lintian doesnt trigger any warning |
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| 07:02.41 | Usiu | theatro, :| now I am confused |
| 07:02.48 | theatro | I dont know |
| 07:03.09 | Usiu | theatro, sh postinst works just fine |
| 07:03.20 | Usiu | theatro, but dpkg -i doesnt |
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| 07:03.29 | Haris | Hello guys |
| 07:03.39 | Haris | I just downloaded updates from secuity |
| 07:03.49 | Usiu | theatro, right postinst in package;] |
| 07:03.55 | Haris | I see this; |
| 07:03.56 | Haris | Get:5 http://security.debian.org etch/updates/main mysql-server-5.0 5.0.32-7etch3 [25.4MB] |
| 07:04.03 | Haris | and this; |
| 07:04.04 | Haris | Get:7 http://security.debian.org etch/updates/main libcupsimage2 1.2.7-4etch1 [85.7kB] |
| 07:04.14 | Haris | and this; |
| 07:04.15 | Haris | Get:15 http://security.debian.org etch/updates/main winbind 3.0.24-6etch8 [1866kB] |
| 07:04.21 | Azar | http://packages.debian.org/testing/x11/nvidia-settings < huh? new package? |
| 07:04.26 | Haris | notice the etch1 etch3 and etch8? What does it mean? |
| 07:04.41 | Usiu | theatro, this is confusing |
| 07:04.53 | Azar | Haris: it marks them as upgraded or patched |
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| 07:05.26 | Azar | possibly as in 1 for 1st patch... 2 for 2nd patch |
| 07:05.33 | theatro | you have written a bash script but the scripting syntax for packaging, I guess is described on this link I gave you |
| 07:05.50 | theatro | I havent done any packaging that is why I was looking at it |
| 07:06.23 | lech | anyone? mount/fstab? |
| 07:06.39 | Usiu | theatro, this is only information about files and templates |
| 07:06.46 | jhulst | Azar: did you see my message above about not getting nvidia-kernel-source? |
| 07:07.00 | theatro | ok so you are familiar with it, I am not |
| 07:07.39 | Azar | lech: I think a way of doing it is to create a usb group and give access to it to "certain users" |
| 07:08.17 | Azar | jhulst: yes, if you can't get it the debian way as dpkg tells you, get it from nvidia site by the tutorial |
| 07:08.37 | Azar | as I google I see the majority of people do that (lenny users) |
| 07:08.41 | lech | Azar, how would I go about doing that? |
| 07:08.49 | lech | also, this is a headless box |
| 07:09.20 | Azar | lech: I guess the correct command is : adduser "username" usb (if there is such group) |
| 07:09.25 | Azar | check : groups as root |
| 07:09.52 | lech | not there |
| 07:10.02 | sauvin | what is lech asking for? |
| 07:10.16 | Azar | sauvin: giving rights to usb to some users |
| 07:10.22 | lech | I'm trying to mount a volume that doesn't auotmatically give the mountpoint to root |
| 07:10.38 | lech | in this case, mostly anything connected to the usb port |
| 07:10.45 | lech | sda1/2 |
| 07:10.48 | Azar | lech: what you got when you type groups? |
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| 07:11.07 | lech | just my own groups and sudo |
| 07:11.16 | lech | s/groups/group |
| 07:11.24 | Azar | go root and see what root has to offer |
| 07:11.46 | lech | root has root :P |
| 07:11.48 | sauvin | You're trying to restrict usb access to a given set of users? |
| 07:12.06 | lech | yeah, basically I want to give myself access to that volume |
| 07:12.12 | lech | without root access |
| 07:12.25 | sauvin | You can't just pmount it? |
| 07:12.33 | lech | pmount? |
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| 07:12.58 | sauvin | do a man pmount. I use it for mounting my usb drives without going root. |
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| 07:13.13 | lech | no entry for pmount |
| 07:13.26 | penpen` | apt-cache search pmount |
| 07:13.26 | sauvin | Hrm, you may have to apt-get it, then. |
| 07:14.08 | penpen` | pmount - mount removable devices as normal user |
| 07:14.11 | penpen` | :) |
| 07:14.14 | sauvin | Yup. |
| 07:14.41 | penpen` | does that work w/ ntfs volumes? |
| 07:14.44 | lech | what's the setup like for this? |
| 07:14.50 | penpen` | hmm |
| 07:15.05 | sauvin | What setup? Why wouldn't it work for ntfs? |
| 07:15.17 | sauvin | It's just a wrapper around the regular mount command, if I'm not mistaken. |
| 07:15.22 | penpen` | ah |
| 07:15.39 | lech | so after installing I'll just need to throw my user into the pmount group? |
| 07:15.54 | sauvin | I didn't throw anybody into anything. |
| 07:16.25 | lech | well, this box is terminal only so I don't want to muck things up :) |
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| 07:16.50 | sauvin | I doubt pmount is going to muck anything up. |
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| 07:17.16 | lech | alright, lets find out |
| 07:17.16 | sauvin | when you want to umount your usb drives, don't umount them. pumount them. |
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| 07:18.20 | lech | ok, pmount installed |
| 07:18.33 | sauvin | As an example, my /dev/sda1 is an ext3 partition whose label is 'allerlei'. I give the command line "pmount /dev/sda1 allerlei" and the drive is mounted to /media/allerlei. |
| 07:18.52 | sauvin | your drives do not need to be labeled in order to use pmount. |
| 07:18.58 | lech | currently, the device is formatted as fat32 |
| 07:19.05 | sauvin | That's OK, pmount won't care. |
| 07:19.36 | lech | but it's still mounted almost like the mount command, correct? |
| 07:19.50 | lech | ie: mount -t vfat /dev/sda1 /home/lech/sansa/ |
| 07:19.51 | sauvin | It's mounted, period, as far as anybody knows or cares. |
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| 07:20.12 | penpen` | sansa e2xx by any chance? |
| 07:20.15 | lech | 260 |
| 07:20.23 | penpen` | nice, i have that same one :) |
| 07:20.29 | sauvin | As for WHERE it gets mounted, that might require some negotiation. |
| 07:20.49 | lech | yeah, that's all I need is for the mount point to be somewhere I can find |
| 07:21.02 | penpen` | by default (as far as i could tell) if you just use |
| 07:21.04 | sauvin | It'll be in /media by default. |
| 07:21.06 | penpen` | pmount /dev/foo bar |
| 07:21.09 | penpen` | it'll be at /media/bar |
| 07:21.13 | sauvin | Correct. |
| 07:21.24 | lech | ok, currently, I get permission denied for pmount |
| 07:21.37 | sauvin | Erm... that can't be. |
| 07:21.41 | lech | as a regular user that is |
| 07:21.46 | sauvin | what syntax are you using? |
| 07:22.00 | Azar | sauvin is right, lech read this: http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/308 |
| 07:22.13 | lech | just tried to pmount --help to see what the options are |
| 07:22.24 | sauvin | and you get "denied"!? |
| 07:22.31 | Azar | " Important note for Debian: The permission to execute pmount is |
| 07:22.33 | Azar | restricted to members of the system group plugdev. Please add all |
| 07:22.45 | sauvin | Oh, hell, I didn't know that~! |
| 07:22.49 | penpen` | haha |
| 07:22.50 | Azar | desktop users users who shall be able to use pmount to this group by |
| 07:23.03 | lech | ok, so I just need to moduser to plugdev? |
| 07:23.13 | Azar | executing adduser user plugdev |
| 07:23.26 | Azar | sorry for bad paste |
| 07:24.34 | sauvin | How do I list a given user's groups? |
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| 07:24.47 | lech | groups <user> |
| 07:25.06 | lech | ok, adding myself to plugdev seems to have worked |
| 07:25.09 | Azar | sauvin: is in the article ... damn I forgot |
| 07:25.11 | sauvin | When the hell did sauvin get added to plugdev? |
| 07:25.17 | penpen` | sauvin: my ntfs question was because i was trying to mount an ntfs partition (my slave drive) so that a normal user could read it, but it's an ide (non removable) drive so pmount won't work (i already solved the issue by just copying the files as root to my ext3 partition and chmodding the whole folder recursively) |
| 07:25.47 | penpen` | i dunno, my user was already in plugdev too |
| 07:25.58 | lech | penpen`, that's what I did last month just recursivly chmodding everything |
| 07:26.03 | Azar | user groups: http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/109 |
| 07:26.06 | sauvin | penpen, you couldn't just mount the ntfs partition? |
| 07:26.17 | penpen` | sauvin: i could mount it, as root |
| 07:26.29 | penpen` | sauvin: but I could not access any of the files as user |
| 07:26.40 | penpen` | even read only |
| 07:26.42 | sauvin | did you try chmodding the mount point? |
| 07:26.48 | penpen` | yeah |
| 07:26.53 | penpen` | it would chmod folders |
| 07:26.57 | penpen` | but throw an error on files |
| 07:27.08 | sauvin | And adding stuff like "users, defaults" and suchlike to the mount options? |
| 07:27.16 | Azar | you guys all three have a french accent |
| 07:27.24 | sauvin | Moi/ |
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| 07:27.29 | penpen` | french accent? |
| 07:27.30 | penpen` | what? |
| 07:27.31 | penpen` | lol |
| 07:27.44 | sauvin | J'ai PAS d'accent! C'est TOI qui aies un accent! |
| 07:27.54 | Azar | I ment ` |
| 07:27.55 | penpen` | i tried adding -o user=penpen but it threw an error, maybe i was using the wrong syntax |
| 07:28.18 | penpen` | i just chalked it up to something with ntfs |
| 07:28.20 | Azar | adduser username group |
| 07:28.33 | sauvin | I'm no expert on mounts, that's a fact. I'll usually spend a half hour mounting, umounting, and swearing. |
| 07:28.43 | lech | ditto |
| 07:28.48 | penpen` | haha |
| 07:28.57 | penpen` | i just didnt want to bother compiling ntfs-3g |
| 07:29.04 | Azar | not sure if fstab helps your mounts/umounts |
| 07:29.13 | Azar | I mean the fstab settings |
| 07:29.19 | penpen` | eh...im getting rid of windows soon anyway |
| 07:29.27 | lech | ok, so now I can just: pmount /dev/sda1 sansa and it will turn up under /media/sansa/ ? |
| 07:29.32 | sauvin | "compiling"? |
| 07:29.34 | penpen` | lech: it should |
| 07:30.28 | penpen` | what's wrong with compiling? |
| 07:30.28 | penpen` | lol |
| 07:30.45 | lech | sweetness |
| 07:30.53 | sauvin | I just grab stuff off repos, usually. |
| 07:31.23 | lech | sauvin, great this works |
| 07:31.42 | sauvin | Now, the other thing I often do, since I have a set of usb drives I routinely keep plugged in, is symlink two or three of them to my home directory so I don't wind up typing "cd /media/this/that/other/whatever". |
| 07:31.50 | lech | /dev/sda1 on /media/sansa type vfat (rw,noexec,nosuid,nodev,quiet,shortname=mixed,uid=1001,gid=1001,umask=077) |
| 07:31.58 | sauvin | Yup! |
| 07:32.04 | penpen` | i just recently moved from etch to mixed lenny/sid |
| 07:32.21 | penpen` | mostly just lennny + xorg/compiz/nvidia drivers from sid |
| 07:32.32 | sauvin | I'm sticking with etch for a while until I get the debian world figured out. I'm a recent fedora refugee. |
| 07:32.47 | penpen` | never tried fedora |
| 07:32.50 | Kodomut | hi guys i have a weird problem |
| 07:32.55 | Kodomut | i set my monitor to 1024x768 |
| 07:32.59 | Kodomut | in Xorg.conf |
| 07:33.01 | penpen` | a friend of mine at work was installing fc8 or 9 or whatever the new one is on his ppc laptop |
| 07:33.07 | Kodomut | but it still has the screen area of 1280x1024 |
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| 07:33.21 | Kodomut | so when the mouse nears the edge of the screen it scrolls around |
| 07:33.24 | Kodomut | how can i fix this? |
| 07:33.26 | penpen` | can you paste your xorg.conf somewhere? |
| 07:33.41 | Azar | Kodomut: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg |
| 07:33.48 | penpen` | or that |
| 07:33.49 | penpen` | lol |
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| 07:34.17 | Kodomut | use kernel framebuffer device interface? |
| 07:34.24 | Azar | "that" better cuz next time you upgrade kernel/xorg, the xorg conf file is not being updated |
| 07:35.07 | sauvin | I'm not going to get sucked into a "$distro rules and $other_distro sucks!" kind of discussion, but part of what prompted me to try other distros was being a bit dissatisfied with how slowly fedora was to adopt new drivers and suchlike, and ubuntu proved to me that some distros can be DAMN zippy. |
| 07:35.15 | Azar | there are tools that help you configure (dpkg-configure) in debian so upgrades will not avoid those config files |
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| 07:35.56 | lech | thanks guys, this pretty much rules |
| 07:36.04 | penpen` | lech: have you tried rockbox? |
| 07:36.09 | penpen` | on your sansa |
| 07:36.14 | Azar | even though Debian does not promote installation of proprietary drivers (does not forbid individuals to do so though) |
| 07:36.17 | sauvin | The folks in ##linux told me about pmount, I think. Yes, it rules. |
| 07:36.28 | lech | penpen`, nah not yet. maybe when the n800 arrives I'll break this like the fonera router |
| 07:37.11 | penpen` | lech: rockbox installed for me with no problems.. I'm really happy with it because I can play FLAC files on the go |
| 07:37.46 | sauvin | I may be in the market for an mp3 player that works well with linux. I'm disappointed with my ipod. |
| 07:37.51 | lech | yeah, at the moment I haven't the need for flac or ogg support |
| 07:38.02 | lech | ipods are for people who don't learn |
| 07:38.13 | penpen` | sauvin: there are ports of rockbox for some ipods |
| 07:38.16 | sauvin | Mine's collecting dust. Have I learned? |
| 07:38.28 | lech | you've learned that your ipod isn't worth using :) |
| 07:38.30 | penpen` | sauvin: which would basically make it act like a removable storage device instead of needing *tunes |
| 07:38.32 | sauvin | Yes, *some* ipods, but not for the 80gb Classic, I'll bet. |
| 07:38.35 | lech | but if you buy another, you've learned nothing |
| 07:38.36 | penpen` | hm |
| 07:38.38 | penpen` | let me check =p |
| 07:39.01 | lech | woot.com just had a $50 refurbished e260 today |
| 07:39.05 | Azar | I got better than ipod: sangean portable radio |
| 07:39.06 | sauvin | There IS a catch, though. My music collection isn't tiny. |
| 07:39.33 | lech | sauvin, how many spare micro SD cards do you have? |
| 07:39.35 | lech | :] |
| 07:39.37 | Azar | looks like an ipod but has tons of clear stations |
| 07:39.40 | penpen` | oh yeah |
| 07:39.53 | sauvin | Azar: you subscribe to something to be able to use it? |
| 07:40.01 | penpen` | forgot the "classic" is still a redone version |
| 07:40.05 | Azar | sauvin: no , all is free |
| 07:40.20 | sauvin | As for spare sd cards, I'm not going to fool with the crazy things while I'm driving. |
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| 07:40.37 | Azar | this little cricket works well anywhere, underground, at sea |
| 07:40.41 | Ahmadinejad | Hi |
| 07:40.44 | penpen` | my music collection is pretty big too |
| 07:40.46 | penpen` | but |
| 07:40.51 | lech | well, you don't have to fool around with them, just saying you can stick spare 2gig cards in the sansa and have another 12 hours of music |
| 07:40.53 | penpen` | 6g is enough for me to listen to on any given day |
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| 07:41.14 | Ahmadinejad | When i go into Admin and then networking |
| 07:41.18 | lech | the only thing I dislike about the stock sansa firmware is that the randomizer is fixed and predictable |
| 07:41.20 | Ahmadinejad | it shows no modem |
| 07:41.21 | sauvin | Tschaikowski, Wagner, Prokofiev.... |
| 07:41.22 | penpen` | i thought about trying to write some scripts to take random songs from my collection and copy them to my player when i put it to charge or something |
| 07:41.31 | penpen` | lech: I know |
| 07:41.33 | Ahmadinejad | how do i get it to show my modem_ |
| 07:41.36 | sauvin | .. Ravel, Beethoven.... |
| 07:41.37 | Azar | Bach, Liszt |
| 07:41.50 | sauvin | Try fitting some of THAT stuff into a single gig! |
| 07:41.50 | penpen` | lech: one time, the stock fw played the same song for me twice |
| 07:41.53 | penpen` | no joke |
| 07:41.54 | penpen` | lol |
| 07:42.01 | Administrator | I have a problem, our ISP just switched to static DNS, so if I change those with knetworkmanager, nothing happens, when I add new dns to /etc/resolv.conf out of sudden they just get changed back to 10.0.0.138 |
| 07:42.10 | Azar | Ahmadinejad: what operating system and version you use? |
| 07:42.13 | lech | penpen`, yeah, I've had that happen as well when you decide to play random by artist or album |
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| 07:42.49 | lech | the benefit comes in with it acting as a mass storage device by far |
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| 07:43.15 | Azar | sirindji: did you configure your /etc/network/interfaces for a static connection? |
| 07:43.27 | Ahmadinejad | Azar: I use debian unstable |
| 07:43.28 | sirindji | Azar: no |
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| 07:43.34 | penpen` | lech: rockbox generates an actual playlist from the database when you play files, so when you shuffle it, it's just going through a playlist, so you won't have that problem |
| 07:43.41 | Kodomut | thanks a lot guys! |
| 07:43.44 | Kodomut | compiz now working |
| 07:43.46 | Azar | sirindji: then you have to do so, because your original settings there are still dhcp |
| 07:43.52 | Kodomut | and the resolution's fixed |
| 07:43.54 | penpen` | lech: you can also save/load m3u lists |
| 07:44.07 | lech | penpen`, yeah, although it's still a bit buggy right now still from what I've read recently |
| 07:44.09 | Azar | Ahmadinejad: I am sorry bro, but unstable is out of my league: I just don't know |
| 07:44.10 | sirindji | Azar: so I set that it's not auto? |
| 07:44.11 | Ozux | Any body have experience with phpPGadmin ? |
| 07:44.24 | Azar | sirindji: I will give you the networking howto |
| 07:44.45 | sirindji | Azar: tnx |
| 07:44.46 | penpen` | lech: aye, it craps out on me every once and a while, but mostly its just a temporary annoyance |
| 07:44.47 | Azar | sirindji: http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-gateway.en.html |
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| 07:47.35 | lech | penpen`, yeah, I normally keep mine plugged in and playing 24/7 so that would annoy me a bit |
| 07:48.07 | lech | I just wish the default firmware would generate a new playlist if you selected play all>random |
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| 07:48.51 | penpen` | yeah |
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| 07:49.05 | penpen` | instead of looking for a random song to play after starting the next song |
| 07:49.20 | zarac | any dnb fans around? |
| 07:49.20 | foo | Hm. 23:48 <xbot> Welcome foo. You are now a known user to me! 23:48 <xbot> your password is '1268598'. Please remember it for later use. You can change the password with 'user set password <your_new_password>' ... hm, this is weird. ... this is the xbot [n=xbot@debiancenter/bot/xbot] ... anyone know about this? |
| 07:49.20 | zarac | Shaking my booty to: 771. Roni Size - Time Stretch |
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| 07:49.23 | zarac | nice track |
| 07:49.23 | lech | hmmm, anything better than sftp/putty on windows to move files around on a remote box? |
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| 07:50.13 | zarac | lech .. you are looking for a GUI ? |
| 07:50.16 | sauvin | foo, is this a privmsg? |
| 07:50.19 | foo | sauvin: yes. |
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| 07:50.48 | lech | zarac, yeah, just something to copy lots of files locally on the machine without copying it over the network and copy it back to a folder |
| 07:51.13 | sauvin | I know nothing of xbot and am suspicious that xbot isn't in any channel that a /whois will reveal. |
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| 07:51.32 | zarac | you know putty doesn't do that.. right? .. i mean.. it does all the work on the host... it's just not graphical |
| 07:51.53 | penpen` | putty is just an ssh client |
| 07:51.57 | foo | sauvin: I'm reporting it now |
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| 07:52.08 | sauvin | Yes, please. |
| 07:52.33 | zarac | i think putty has support for x-tunneling.. meaning.. if you have an x-server on the host you can run GUI application on the host but see it on the client... i don't really know anything about this though |
| 07:52.35 | lech | zarac, yeah I'm aware, I just want a lazy way to copy stuff between volumes/directories en mass |
| 07:52.45 | zarac | ok =D |
| 07:52.52 | lech | yeah, no gui, headless boxen |
| 07:52.56 | zarac | vnc might be another option |
| 07:53.00 | lech | or rather, no x-server |
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| 07:53.05 | zarac | that way you can drag and drop =D |
| 07:53.07 | zarac | ok |
| 07:53.26 | zarac | sorry, got no other ideas ;) |
| 07:53.34 | penpen` | zarac: yeah putty does have that feature..in fact i found a livecd somewhere for windows specifically for the purpose of x-tunneling |
| 07:53.39 | lech | yeah, no biggie, just wondering if anything like ti existed |
| 07:53.44 | lech | s/ti/it |
| 07:53.53 | zarac | oh.. penpen`.. that's neat =D |
| 07:53.56 | sauvin | I've done that, but forgotten how. I ran GUI stuff on hosts I'd ssh'd to, I think. It just caused the GUI parts to pop up on MY desktop. |
| 07:54.09 | penpen` | yeah |
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| 07:54.09 | Vasistha | lech: sftp? scp? |
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| 07:54.26 | zarac | sauvin.. remember if you had to have an x-server installed on your client as well? |
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| 07:54.39 | sauvin | No, I don't. |
| 07:54.43 | penpen` | http://xlivecd.indiana.edu/ |
| 07:54.45 | lech | winscp wants to copy it locally, unless you know a custom command to copy the selected file/directory over elsewhere |
| 07:54.46 | penpen` | that was it |
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| 07:54.48 | zarac | ok.. i've heard differently =D |
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| 07:54.57 | sauvin | It WOULD seem to follow that you'd need X *clients* on the local, though, no? |
| 07:55.01 | lech | although, that launches putty so it would be rather pointless |
| 07:55.15 | lech | hmmm, wait |
| 07:55.21 | penpen` | ok wait |
| 07:55.26 | penpen` | lech what are you trying to do lol |
| 07:55.27 | zarac | heh =D |
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| 07:55.42 | sauvin | winscp? |
| 07:55.45 | lech | isn't there a windows shell extension that can mount over the network? |
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| 07:55.51 | lech | as a local drive |
| 07:55.55 | penpen` | hum |
| 07:55.55 | lech | over ssh |
| 07:55.55 | sauvin | btw, this is a linux channel. Why are woried about putty? |
| 07:55.56 | penpen` | well |
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| 07:56.03 | penpen` | if you have samba running on the linux box |
| 07:56.13 | penpen` | it can initiate a windows share |
| 07:56.31 | lech | hrmm |
| 07:56.34 | penpen` | another alternative would be trying to set up an ftp server |
| 07:56.47 | penpen` | which would have much better xfer rates than sftp or samba |
| 07:56.56 | penpen` | also |
| 07:57.02 | penpen` | if you had ftp servers on both |
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| 07:57.10 | penpen` | you could use xftp |
| 07:57.25 | penpen` | er |
| 07:57.26 | penpen` | fxp |
| 07:57.29 | lech | yeah, that's a little over-complicated now that I think about it :) |
| 07:57.31 | lech | ok nevermind |
| 07:57.32 | penpen` | lol |
| 07:58.03 | zarac | hehe :) |
| 07:58.22 | penpen` | man i love screen + irssi |
| 07:58.32 | zarac | i love mirc =D |
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| 07:58.39 | Vasistha | <3 konvi |
| 07:58.41 | penpen` | lol |
| 07:58.48 | zarac | mirc + bouncer ;) |
| 07:58.50 | Vasistha | heh, to each his own. yay foss. |
| 07:58.54 | penpen` | i used to use mirc religiously |
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| 07:59.25 | [RUsh] | How can I make my hw clock to be syncronuzed with system clocks ? |
| 07:59.35 | zarac | aren't they the same? |
| 07:59.35 | Vasistha | !time |
| 07:59.36 | dpkg | from memory, time is found on http://www.time.com/, or 2007.12.04 7:59:35, or an illusion, and lunchtime doubly so - Ford Prefect said that. of no essence here!, or it's beer o'clock!! |
| 07:59.42 | Vasistha | damn it. |
| 07:59.57 | Vasistha | [RUsh]: there's ... an excellent page on that, somewhere |
| 08:00.09 | [RUsh] | Vasistha, somewhere?;-) |
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| 08:00.12 | penpen` | i should get to bed dudes |
| 08:00.18 | penpen` | ill talk to you guys later |
| 08:00.23 | penpen` | peace :) |
| 08:00.23 | Vasistha | [RUsh]: yeah, I'll grep my logs for the factoid :P |
| 08:00.24 | zarac | [RUsh] ... how do you display the time of the two? |
| 08:00.27 | lech | I'm off as well, thanks for the help guys |
| 08:00.36 | zarac | which does date display? |
| 08:00.57 | Vasistha | [RUsh]: there's a package that periodically syncs your hw clock with time servers |
| 08:01.07 | sauvin | ntpd. |
| 08:01.08 | [RUsh] | I use openntpd |
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| 08:01.21 | [RUsh] | Ti sync system clock with time server |
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| 08:01.45 | [RUsh] | zarac, Tue Dec 4 13:04:24 YEKT 2007 |
| 08:01.50 | zarac | :) |
| 08:01.53 | Vasistha | [RUsh]: right. Now, there's also another package that can keep the hw clock synchronized with system clocks ... wish I could remember these package names :) |
| 08:02.00 | zarac | how do i display system clock though? |
| 08:02.07 | zarac | never heard of it |
| 08:02.09 | zarac | =D |
| 08:02.18 | zarac | i thought everything used the hardware clock.. |
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| 08:03.27 | Vasistha | !setting time |
| 08:03.28 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, setting time is if you're using a coexisting DOS/Win on your x86, put UTC=no in /etc/default/rcS else put UTC=yes. use tzconfig to set the right timezone, then use date (man date) to set time (avoid doing that when precious applications are running, some might get confused). Now do hwclock --systohc if RTC is local, or hwclock --systohc --utc if UTC. Erase /etc/adjtime and repeat the previous command again. This ... |
| 08:03.52 | Vasistha | hum. |
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| 08:04.11 | Vasistha | [RUsh]: check out adjtimex |
| 08:04.19 | [RUsh] | okay |
| 08:04.21 | [RUsh] | thanx |
| 08:04.30 | Kodomut | hey, why can't i install pidgin? it says package not found or something like that |
| 08:04.33 | zarac | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:04.41 | Vasistha | Kodomut: I think stable still has gaim |
| 08:04.45 | zarac | well.. |
| 08:04.55 | zarac | with date+time rather.. |
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| 08:06.14 | sauvin | Are you married to pidgin? I use kopete. |
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| 08:09.43 | Kodomut | hey Vasistha how do i use the unstable packages then? |
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| 08:10.24 | sauvin | What's OTR? I don't think kopete supports transfers, either. |
| 08:11.13 | Vasistha | Kodomut: oh, does pidgin do something you need that gaim doesn't do? |
| 08:11.35 | Kodomut | i don't know |
| 08:11.37 | Vasistha | sauvin: "off-the-record" -- it's a plugin that lets you encrypt your conversations over any im connection |
| 08:11.47 | Kodomut | oh yeah, i downloaded the pidgin .deb, how do i install it? |
| 08:12.09 | Vasistha | Kodomut: gaim's pretty good, why don't you just try it, rather than mixing up your system? |
| 08:12.20 | sauvin | Ah, yes, Kopete supports that. |
| 08:12.21 | Kodomut | i thought gaim was pidgin now |
| 08:12.26 | Kodomut | is* |
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| 08:13.57 | Vasistha | Kodomut: gaim was renamed to pidgin because of friction with AOL IM. gaim is already pretty feature-rich, and is a part of stable. So why don't you just install gaim and see if it does everything you need? That would be much wiser than installing unstable packages on a stable system. |
| 08:14.16 | Kodomut | i see |
| 08:14.19 | Kodomut | thanks! |
| 08:14.52 | Vasistha | np |
| 08:15.16 | Vasistha | sauvin: file transfers may be supported as well ... I dunno myself, I really prefer gaim |
| 08:15.24 | Kodomut | so everytime i reconfigure X i have to manually add stuff in xorg.conf for compiz? no fun |
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| 08:19.32 | sauvin | File transfers appear to be a possibility, but the menu entries for them are greyed out. |
| 08:19.35 | Haris | in ~/.ssh/known_hosts how do I found out a particular host to delete it? |
| 08:19.52 | Haris | one of the target boxes was reloaded and it has a new key |
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| 08:20.26 | Haris | guys! |
| 08:21.01 | Vasistha | Haris: channel is slow at this hour |
| 08:21.19 | Haris | Vasistha: Yep |
| 08:21.45 | jhulst | Haris: All you do is edit the file and delete the line |
| 08:22.02 | bytekode | lol |
| 08:22.08 | Haris | jhulst: If I could find the IP matching the entry I want to delete, yes. Otherwise, no |
| 08:22.48 | Haris | how the heck do I find out which is which from a list of lines like this; |
| 08:22.49 | Haris | |1|aiFsb/n+jZHkWOFdyB4Olbd4Cw4=|l3tAGEBd4beQJuCJz+vmJXXMix8= ssh-rsa AAAAB3NzaC1yc2EAAAABIwAAAIEAvlEnSO7BLN9PXqHoGu+Z+DHx+IgQ6jS+/8NamOPTo6Im4fn/M/6RsTbZ7yhC9r8c/kDAR+u6yy5NYjsIaj24oP7OwMbD/qaw4UoRKKWMxcdnGPp2Ld/9BcH13prJIBNIrFDQCqcMiDRrD8mKK6CUdKJY3X8yy/NGo7KQRMxAFqc= |
| 08:23.22 | Haris | Need an insight into this |
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| 08:24.10 | Kodomut | hey, i have compiz in X, but when i switch to a terminal and back, the display is corrupted |
| 08:24.11 | bytekode | locate other machine's key, compare, delete entry, ???, profit! |
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| 08:24.13 | Kodomut | why is this so? |
| 08:24.39 | L|NUX | can some one tell me why this happening with me |
| 08:24.39 | Haris | bytekode: I can't locate the key. The remote box was rebuilt a few hours ago |
| 08:24.45 | bytekode | oh. |
| 08:25.11 | L|NUX | i have a server which will not allow me to ssh into the box while i normally boot however this machine will allow when it will be in rescue mode |
| 08:25.13 | L|NUX | any idea |
| 08:25.30 | bytekode | make sure sshd is set to start in your default runlevel ? |
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| 08:26.46 | Haris | Offending key in /root/.ssh/known_hosts:21 |
| 08:27.00 | jhulst | Haris: So delete line 21 |
| 08:27.15 | bytekode | wow lol |
| 08:27.37 | Haris | done. |
| 08:27.39 | Haris | later people |
| 08:27.43 | bytekode | peace out brosef |
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| 08:28.15 | L|NUX | bytekode : how can i check that :$ |
| 08:28.24 | L|NUX | rc.update ... |
| 08:28.29 | bytekode | i use sysv-rc-conf |
| 08:28.35 | bytekode | apt-get install sysv-rc-conf; sysv-rc-conf |
| 08:28.41 | bytekode | easy startup/runlevel editor :P |
| 08:28.45 | L|NUX | ok |
| 08:28.47 | L|NUX | thanks |
| 08:28.53 | hackintosh | heyas. somebody has some experience with hpacucli the hardware raid controller tool? |
| 08:29.00 | hackintosh | from hp? |
| 08:29.09 | Vasistha | !ask |
| 08:29.10 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org |
| 08:29.29 | bytekode | L|NUX: your default runlevel can be found at the top of /etc/inittab (it's probably '2') |
| 08:30.15 | hackintosh | how can i create a mirror out of striped raid with hpacucli? |
| 08:30.26 | bytekode | i just realized... Haris was sshing into other machines as root |
| 08:30.28 | bytekode | >:/ |
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| 08:31.27 | erikja | !webcam |
| 08:31.27 | dpkg | [webcam] a method to setup a webcam using Debian: http://www.aboutdebian.com/webcam.htm |
| 08:32.08 | nofxx | sorry I forgot , what is the name of that TUI that you can see what services are enabled |
| 08:33.16 | bytekode | nofxx: i use 'sysv-rc-conf', it's a perl script that uses ncurses, if that's what you're referring to |
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| 08:33.26 | wireddd | is there a debian package somewhere for v2.x of libphp-jpgraph ? |
| 08:34.01 | wireddd | the version that is in all the debian repo's requires a downgrade to php4 |
| 08:34.10 | nofxx | bytekode: nah I should be confusing it ... gonna check the handbook for the services and daemons part... |
| 08:34.14 | nofxx | ty |
| 08:34.21 | bytekode | ok, let me know what you meant |
| 08:34.22 | bytekode | :) |
| 08:34.45 | nofxx | enable/disable service and daemons in the runtimes... |
| 08:35.01 | nofxx | like apache on at 3,4,5 ... dunno hehe Im coming from rhel |
| 08:35.02 | bytekode | er, which program you meant... |
| 08:35.05 | bytekode | sorry :P |
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| 08:35.12 | nofxx | anyone to accomplish this |
| 08:36.49 | erikja | !paste |
| 08:36.49 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 3 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://channels.debian.net/paste/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. |
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| 08:40.53 | erikja | !sound |
| 08:40.53 | dpkg | somebody said sound was ask me about <alsa checklist>, <alsa one-liner>, <ac97>, <audio>, <dmix>, <esound> and <arts>. For sarge go to http://wiki.debian.org/UseSoundCard |
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| 08:41.56 | erikja | !sound ac97 |
| 08:42.13 | bigfoot- | hi... I selected a large amount of packages by piping dpkg --get-selections of another machine into dpkg --set-selections |
| 08:42.15 | erikja | !ac97 |
| 08:42.15 | dpkg | There's no universal driver for every single motherboard that uses ac97 audio. ac97 is just the codec, you need a driver for your audio chip. For OSS, this is usually either i810_audio or via82cxxx_audio; for ALSA, it's usually one of snd-intel8x0 (see also <intel8x0>), snd-au8810 or snd-via82xx. Use lspci to check. |
| 08:43.00 | bigfoot- | is it possible to undo this? so that apt-get -u dselect-upgrade does not want to install hundreds of packages anymore? |
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| 08:43.26 | Mark17 | is it possible to see what users use the most discspace on a system? |
| 08:43.36 | Mark17 | quota is installed |
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| 08:45.03 | Vasistha | bigfoot-: I'd recommend using aptitude ... I think you'll be able to fix your problem without too much pain, and it's a much better system in the long run |
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| 08:46.09 | bigfoot- | Vasistha: I'm using this dpkg --get-selections / --set-selections only for automation purposes (synchronizing the set of installed packages on several machines) |
| 08:46.28 | bigfoot- | thanks, I'll have a look at aptitude |
| 08:46.28 | Ovi | hi everyone....is it normal for the update manager to warn me at every single update that I'm about to install unauthenticated software? |
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| 08:47.29 | Vasistha | Ovi: you've got to get your apt keys installed |
| 08:47.38 | Vasistha | !apt key |
| 08:47.40 | Vasistha | hum |
| 08:47.40 | dimir | Moin! |
| 08:47.44 | Vasistha | moin |
| 08:47.47 | Vasistha | !apt-key |
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| 08:48.27 | Vasistha | Ovi: install the package, debian-archive-keyring |
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| 08:48.52 | Ovi | ok Vasistha thk |
| 08:49.57 | Ovi | It looks like I already have it |
| 08:50.13 | Ovi | I never had this prb on etch |
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| 08:50.59 | Ovi | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:51.47 | Vasistha | Ovi: oh, you're using lenny or something? |
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| 08:51.56 | Ovi | yes, lenny |
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| 08:54.29 | Coke | I'm looking for a plot program with a printable, graphical presentation that can group incoming data. Sort of like report software, only plotting instead of reporting. I'm trying to google for "gnuplot grouping" and similar, but can't find any way to group data in gnuplot. Ideas of what package to use? |
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| 08:56.41 | xjkx | is there a macro program to record mouse moves and repeat ? |
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| 08:58.04 | streuner_ | what for? |
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| 08:58.52 | sauvin | Coke, I'd use something else for the grouping. |
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| 08:59.58 | xjkx | streuner_, to play around, is there ? |
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| 09:00.35 | Coke | sauvin: like what? |
| 09:01.18 | Coke | sauvin: the point is to be able to reuse a generic data set. |
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| 09:02.30 | sauvin | Kinda depends on the nature of the grouping, actually. |
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| 09:03.03 | orveldv | folks, the stable FTP dir is actually frozen, I mean the updates don't propagate at all from testing to stable? (between releases) |
| 09:03.05 | orveldv | it seems I'm having some trouble understanding the FAQ |
| 09:03.34 | Coke | sauvin: it's very simple, I have a data series that has multiple entries with the same "origin". I want to group all entries with that origin and only plot their sums. |
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| 09:04.28 | erikja | !usb |
| 09:04.28 | dpkg | usb is probably (Universal Serial Bus) A technology that has replaced the way that some peripheral devices connect to a computer. It is much faster than serial and parallel communications. It is also much more flexible: it will be able to connect to many devices simultaneously. http://www.linux-usb.org, or http://www.linux-usb.org/USB-guide/book1.html |
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| 09:04.53 | sauvin | Coke, I'd use a perl script to aggregate data around discrete origins. |
| 09:05.10 | mandrigal | do i need to have anything special installed to make a menu for kernel config |
| 09:05.34 | Vasistha | orveldv: correct -- rather than propagating from testing to stable, stable becomes 'oldstable' and testing is renamed to stable. |
| 09:06.14 | mandrigal | becuse i cant make any of the menus |
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| 09:06.29 | mandrigal | not the qt,gtk or the terminal one |
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| 09:07.06 | Coke | sauvin: well, I have no problems programming the data output to return data that is suited for specific purposes, but then I could easily make it output SVG data for the plots. The point is to have a generic set of data that can be used by gnuplot. |
| 09:07.15 | orveldv | Vasistha: I see ; thanks |
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| 09:07.27 | Vasistha | mandrigal: yeah, you do -- each needs a few packages to work properly. Why are you rolling your own, anyawy? |
| 09:07.48 | mandrigal | ineed a more uptodate kernel for my soudcard |
| 09:07.57 | mandrigal | wel integrated sound actually |
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| 09:08.08 | Noboru | hi guys,may i ask |
| 09:08.19 | Vasistha | !ask |
| 09:08.19 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org |
| 09:08.26 | sauvin | As I understand gnuplot (and you are warned not to take me as anything like expert), it wouldn't perform grouping. You'd need something else. |
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| 09:08.36 | Noboru | after logged in ftp in command line, i run 'get foo.tgz' ,can i make it run in background ? |
| 09:08.39 | wols | Noboru: you've been here often enough to know how it works already. do you never learn? |
| 09:08.42 | Vasistha | mandrigal: is there some reason you don't use backports? |
| 09:08.48 | Noboru | since this file is big,over 5gb |
| 09:08.55 | wols | Noboru: not with ftp. but lftp can |
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| 09:09.01 | mandrigal | i'm still new to all this |
| 09:09.04 | Coke | Noboru: use screeen |
| 09:09.09 | Coke | Whoops, only two e's. |
| 09:09.10 | Noboru | wols, i cannot get that file downlaoded via wget :( |
| 09:09.23 | Kamping_Kaiser | Noboru, he didnt tell you to. |
| 09:09.23 | wols | did I say anything about wget? |
| 09:09.27 | Coke | Noboru: just apt-get install screen and you can switch between background processes. |
| 09:09.34 | wols | !tell Madd_Matt about backports |
| 09:09.38 | mandrigal | what exactly is that |
| 09:09.48 | wols | !tell mandrigal about backports |
| 09:09.57 | Noboru | oh,let me just use 'get file.tgz' |
| 09:10.00 | wols | mandrigal: there should be a 2.6.22 kernel for you |
| 09:11.07 | mandrigal | i would also like to compile a kernel for the educational experience |
| 09:11.32 | Coke | Noboru: USE SCREEN! |
| 09:11.40 | wols | Coke: don't yell |
| 09:11.43 | Kamping_Kaiser | mandrigal, its not worth it :) |
| 09:11.44 | Vasistha | mandrigal: I did it a number of times, but honestly, I don't know that I got much education out of it :) |
| 09:11.54 | wols | !tell mandrigal about kp |
| 09:11.59 | Noboru | Coke, how to use 'screen' ? |
| 09:12.09 | wols | !screen |
| 09:12.10 | dpkg | i heard screen is allows you to have n terminals and easily switch between them, add keybindings, has its own scrollback and copy/paste and lets you resume all your sessions if your terminal dies or you get disconnected or http://www.michael-prokop.at/screen/ or at ftp://ftp.gnu.org/pub/gnu/screen or aptitude install screen |
| 09:12.13 | Coke | Noboru: apt-get install screen; screen; then do your FTP thingie |
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| 09:12.36 | Coke | wols: see, now he spotted my message, previously ignored. screaming helps. |
| 09:13.17 | wols | Coke: it helps getting silenced by the ops |
| 09:13.20 | Noboru | ok i run screen,got some texts |
| 09:13.26 | Noboru | now it goes back to command line |
| 09:13.45 | wols | on the other hand, now you need to tell Noboru about screen. good luck. you gotta need it |
| 09:13.47 | Coke | Noboru: yes, it starts a new instance of your shell for you to use. |
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| 09:13.55 | beardy | Texts are meant to be read. You pushed the any key without knowing waht would happen. |
| 09:14.08 | Noboru | Coke, i dont understand is,how do i switch ? |
| 09:14.19 | Coke | Noboru: ctrl + a-d |
| 09:14.24 | Vasistha | Noboru: are you stuck? why didn't you finish his instructions? do your ftp thing... |
| 09:14.32 | Coke | Noboru: now, for the rest of how screen works do "man screen" |
| 09:15.02 | beardy | Noboru: You can also hit Ctrl-a ? |
| 09:15.04 | wols | Coke: while this is an easy way out, you will soon see that this won't get Noboru off your back. he simply won't understand or is too lazy to read this |
| 09:15.04 | Noboru | Coke, i see,gees,i wrong tested crl + f,my ssh lost |
| 09:15.38 | Coke | Noboru: uhu. Yeah, pressing random keys will sometimes screw things up. |
| 09:16.28 | Vasistha | these are the types of people who tend to receive malicious hints, huh? |
| 09:16.46 | Coke | wols: things like "man" and "screen" are part of the foundation of effective terminal use. Without them I would not be able to avoid GUI's for as long as I have. :) |
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| 09:18.05 | beardy | Another one that hasn't heard of screen. |
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| 09:19.37 | Vasistha | huh, I can use 'ctrl-z' to background an ftp task! |
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| 09:20.01 | blahdeblah | Hi |
| 09:20.03 | gynterk | hey |
| 09:20.26 | blahdeblah | Is there something special i need to do to make pidgin (aka gaim) open links when i click on them? |
| 09:20.42 | Coke | Vasistha: you send it STOP and background it, not the same thing as using screen. |
| 09:20.45 | Noboru | Coke, by the way,how do i log out from 'screen' ? |
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| 09:21.03 | blahdeblah | I just upgraded to pidgin in etch backports, and links don't work in either gaim in etch stable, or pidgin in backports. |
| 09:21.07 | Coke | Noboru: once you terminate the final process screen will terminate itself. If it doesn't have anything to run it will die. |
| 09:21.24 | Coke | Noboru: so, if you're in your shell, just type "exit" or ctrl+d to terminate the shell and screen will follow. |
| 09:21.42 | Noboru | Coke, Thank you. |
| 09:22.07 | Vasistha | and it won't background if it's transferring :P anyway, we always knew screen was a better solution, anyway |
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| 09:22.47 | Vasistha | blahdeblah: you may just need to go into your settings and set your default browser |
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| 09:22.59 | Coke | Noboru: ctrl + a-d will detach your current screen session and "screen -r" will retach it again. If you have multiple screen sessions you will have to specify which one to retach to, screen -r <pid> or screen -r <name> if you provided a name for your screen session when it was started. |
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| 09:23.22 | blahdeblah | Vasistha: GNOME settings, or pidgin? I couldn't find any in pidgin. |
| 09:23.36 | Guerin | mmmm, screen |
| 09:24.01 | Vasistha | blahdeblah: I see a browser tab in tools>preferences, in gaim |
| 09:24.19 | Coke | Guerin: indeed. Hey, you know almost everything there is to know, does gnuplot do grouping of any kind? |
| 09:24.20 | blahdeblah | Vasistha: it's gone in pidgin |
| 09:24.58 | blahdeblah | Vasistha: However, your comment prompted me to revisit my GNOME settings, and they were out of date. I re-selected icedove & iceweasel as my preferred apps, and hey, presto! Pidgin works. |
| 09:25.00 | blahdeblah | Thanks |
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| 09:25.11 | Guerin | Coke: i don't do spiffy charts and things, sorry. Just the facts, if you can't grok 'em you probably have no business reading my research anyway. |
| 09:25.18 | Noboru | Coke, i see |
| 09:26.08 | Coke | Guerin: hehe. when you consider the result of gnuplot "spiffy", well... you unix nerd you. |
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| 09:26.27 | blahdeblah | Hmmm... /dance - Unknown command. :-( |
| 09:26.46 | Jyzygzel- | wow |
| 09:26.59 | Guerin | Coke: tbh I haven't seen it, but I have seen some spiffy stuff like it. The tools I use at work have a dual car-dashboard and manhattan-skyline metaphors |
| 09:27.15 | blahdeblah | Good to see we're all sharing the love, Kamping_Kaiser. :-D |
| 09:27.18 | blahdeblah | Thanks for the brain jolt, Vasistha. |
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| 09:27.22 | Vasistha | np |
| 09:27.43 | Kamping_Kaiser | i'm sure i know that bloke |
| 09:27.47 | Coke | Guerin: yeah. I just can't believe that gnuplot doesn't do data grouping based on a column. |
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| 09:28.28 | Coke | Although, if there is a grouping function it is well hidden in the manual. |
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| 09:28.49 | Guerin | the GNU is pretty good at hiding those details |
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| 09:29.54 | Noboru | Coke, strange |
| 09:30.00 | Kamping_Kaiser | especialy once debian removes them for invarient sections ;) |
| 09:30.14 | Noboru | Coke, i run sreen,then run ftp ,after that i press ctrl + a says no new window |
| 09:30.30 | Noboru | press ctrl + d twice it log outta ftp |
| 09:30.39 | Kamping_Kaiser | Noboru, ^a d |
| 09:30.51 | Kamping_Kaiser | not ^a^a or ^d^d |
| 09:31.02 | Noboru | ? |
| 09:31.17 | Noboru | where is ^a ? |
| 09:31.39 | Coke | Noboru: I said ctrl + a - d |
| 09:31.42 | Kamping_Kaiser | gaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah. ^ == ctrl |
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| 09:32.06 | wols | Coke: have fun :) |
| 09:32.19 | Kamping_Kaiser | i wish i knew some obscure and abusive languages at times :'( |
| 09:32.33 | Coke | Noboru: I'm going to explain this to you: ctrl + a - d means that while you're holding down ctrl you press a, let go of a, press d and let go of d. |
| 09:32.51 | Kamping_Kaiser | then _dont panic_ when it disapears... |
| 09:32.54 | Coke | Like in emacs, ctrl + x-f |
| 09:33.18 | wols | Coke: do you honestly think he's ever _seen_ emacs? |
| 09:33.18 | Coke | Noboru: to find out if you have any screens running, what PID/name they have, use screen -ls |
| 09:33.19 | Kamping_Kaiser | emacs... i've heard of that before... :P |
| 09:33.23 | Noboru | oh while selecting a or d, the ctrl key is being holded ? |
| 09:33.30 | erikja | !usbsound |
| 09:33.30 | Coke | Noboru: yes. |
| 09:33.37 | Noboru | Coke, thanks,let me try. |
| 09:33.39 | Kamping_Kaiser | only A |
| 09:33.43 | Kamping_Kaiser | no ^D |
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| 09:34.04 | Vasistha | this is why some schools offer "introduction to computers" classes |
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| 09:35.50 | Coke | Vasistha: they do that here too, unfortunately what happens is that you get your "computer license" solely based on your capability to reboot Windows machines and how to pay for expensive virus protection via the internet. |
| 09:35.50 | Vasistha | what boggles the mind, though, is that this guy is using command-line ftp and asking such basic questions |
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| 09:35.50 | Coke | Vasistha: well, you gotta start somewhere. |
| 09:35.54 | Noboru | Coke, i did what you said,it worked for a while |
| 09:36.02 | Kamping_Kaiser | we need a #debian-jedi, where people practice their patience :| |
| 09:36.19 | Coke | Noboru: it works all the time. |
| 09:36.44 | Coke | and of course there is no action in #gnuplot |
| 09:36.50 | Vasistha | yeah ... if it stopped working, then you're not doing what he said :D |
| 09:36.59 | Noboru | Coke, i holded ctrl key,then a then d,no problem,while i was trying to figure out which one is main window,the ssh lost |
| 09:37.18 | Coke | Noboru: no. |
| 09:37.28 | Vasistha | Noboru: what do you mean when you say, "the ssh lost" |
| 09:37.35 | Coke | Noboru: when you do ctrl + a-d you detach your current screen and end up with the terminal from which screen was started. |
| 09:37.42 | Coke | Noboru: type screen -r to reattach to it. |
| 09:37.49 | Coke | Vasistha: don't you get it? |
| 09:38.03 | Noboru | Vasistha, the ssh window was disappeared when i was siwtching from a to d |
| 09:38.12 | Coke | SSH was playing soccer VS VNC when the VNC switched their golie with yet another mid fielder. |
| 09:38.19 | Coke | Noboru: that's the POINT |
| 09:38.20 | Vasistha | Noboru: good! congratulations! That is what you were trying to do! |
| 09:38.30 | Coke | *goalie |
| 09:38.35 | Noboru | a-d ? what the '-' mean ? |
| 09:38.43 | Coke | Noboru: that you press a and d in a sequence |
| 09:38.46 | Coke | for fucks sake. |
| 09:39.23 | Coke | Noboru: I already described to you exactly how your fingers should process the keyboard, and I described that sequence as ctrl + a - d. Like I said before, that means hitting A and D in a sequence while holding down CTRL. |
| 09:39.23 | Noboru | Coke, i mean, after i do a to d, how do i repeat to do this ? |
| 09:39.24 | Kamping_Kaiser | wols, this is where you take the moral high ground and look smug ;) |
| 09:39.45 | Coke | Noboru: why would you want to do it twice? |
| 09:40.06 | Coke | Noboru: the point of pressing ctrl + a - d is to detach the screen instance and get back to your original shell. |
| 09:40.07 | Noboru | Coke, yeah,because i need to check if the file is being downloaded completely |
| 09:40.21 | Coke | Noboru: "screen -r to reattach" how many times must I write it? |
| 09:40.23 | wols | Kamping_Kaiser: I knew the outcome from the start. I'm just tired of him |
| 09:40.36 | Noboru | Coke, Thanks,let me try. |
| 09:40.41 | Coke | Yes, try it out. |
| 09:41.20 | Coke | wols: I bet you, by the end of the day Noboru will have the basic insight to use screen. A little, anyway. |
| 09:41.33 | lhadji | I go to the milkbar buy some cigarettes, go for a walk around the block and Noboru still asking about screen! |
| 09:42.03 | wols | Coke: I've dealt with him before. he will be back tomorrow and ask the same questions. I know cause he did before |
| 09:42.10 | Coke | Also, consider this, over two decades Microsoft has utterly destroyed the cognitive ability of people by making sure the end user can avoid anything that requires you to read or understand even the most basic tasks. |
| 09:42.23 | Coke | wols: you may be right on that. |
| 09:42.35 | wols | Coke: MS didn't do that. and some people were born without them too |
| 09:42.40 | Kamping_Kaiser | Coke, i'd add 'seemingly avoid' |
| 09:42.43 | Coke | wols: MS did that so much |
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| 09:43.25 | Coke | Well, you don't have to understand anything about how the Internet works to setup a Windows machine as a surf hog. Ofcourse, you'll have to deal with all the security issues that comes with that comfort. |
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| 09:43.43 | Noboru | now i totally understood,thanks a lot :) |
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| 09:43.58 | Noboru | so with screen ,now while im downloading in ftp,i can use shell :) |
| 09:44.17 | Coke | So you trade in ten minutes worth of reading a manual for two hours of gruesome virus scanning and removal before you finally decide it's easier to just spend an hour reinstalling Windows. |
| 09:44.43 | Coke | Noboru: yes, and you can have multiple screens active, use screen -ls to list them and screen -r <pid> to reattach to them. |
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| 09:45.19 | Coke | Group me this, group me that; wear gnuplot as a silly hat! |
| 09:45.20 | echosystm | is anyone able to help me with wireless? |
| 09:45.38 | Vasistha | !ask |
| 09:45.39 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org |
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| 09:45.44 | echosystm | i need to get wpa set up, i am using wifi-radar, but not having much luck |
| 09:45.49 | Coke | echosystm: the IRC genie only grants users one question, you've just wasted yours. :) |
| 09:45.59 | PythonNi1ja | is there a way to force it to use orinoco 0-13e rather than 15? |
| 09:46.05 | echosystm | so far, i have setup wpa_supplicant.conf with the ssid and psk string |
| 09:46.16 | echosystm | then i did sudo ifconfig ath0 up |
| 09:46.21 | echosystm | opened wifi-radar |
| 09:46.23 | wols | echosystm: fluxbuntu is not supported in #debian |
| 09:46.27 | echosystm | and i dont know what to do from here |
| 09:46.29 | wols | echosystm: please go back to #ubuntu |
| 09:46.39 | echosystm | no one is helping wols |
| 09:46.45 | wols | !they don't know |
| 09:46.46 | dpkg | Just because the people in some OTHER channel don't know the answer to your non-Debian question, it does NOT give you the right to hassle US with your problems. Go try Google. |
| 09:46.48 | echosystm | and the distros are effectively the same |
| 09:46.51 | PythonNi1ja | echosystm: no one is going to help either in here |
| 09:47.01 | wols | echosystm: they aren't. just save yourself the trouble and go back |
| 09:47.02 | Kamping_Kaiser | echosystm, in this area, they are very different |
| 09:47.06 | SpeedyG | hey, how can I generate a file with useless content of a given size |
| 09:47.15 | echosystm | :( |
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| 09:47.21 | wols | SpeedyG: man dd. use if=/dev/urandom |
| 09:47.22 | Coke | SpeedyG: dd from /dev/urandom to the file |
| 09:47.29 | SpeedyG | ok thanks :) |
| 09:47.33 | Coke | wols: aaaargh! |
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| 09:48.09 | Noboru | Coke, okay. |
| 09:48.16 | Coke | Maybe gnuplot uses implicit grouping? Hmmm. |
| 09:48.37 | Vasistha | nn |
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| 09:52.40 | Noboru | i hope ftp can handle 5gb data transfer |
| 09:52.51 | Noboru | wget cannot. |
| 09:53.21 | SpeedyG | wols: Coke, thanks :) it worked |
| 09:53.32 | Guerin | Noboru: use lftp |
| 09:53.48 | Guerin | Noboru: but it also depends on the server |
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| 09:54.07 | Kamping_Kaiser | wget cant? nonsense |
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| 09:54.35 | Noboru | The server has proftpd running. Guerin |
| 09:55.03 | Guerin | Kamping_Kaiser: it can't. Or at least, it couldn't recently. It may have been fixed. |
| 09:55.31 | Guerin | but anecdotal evidence suggests it hasn't |
| 09:55.46 | Kamping_Kaiser | Guerin, really? wow. i must have not been using wget for my dvd download (or perhaps it wasnt 5gb... either way!) |
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| 09:56.08 | Guerin | Kamping_Kaiser: wget stores filesizes in a 32-bit integer |
| 09:56.12 | Guerin | do the maths |
| 09:56.48 | Kamping_Kaiser | Guerin, know the maths :) didnt know about the 32bitness of it. rather broken for a bit of gnu software |
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| 09:57.13 | Guerin | it's a tool from a more refined era |
| 09:57.17 | PythonNi1ja | hahah |
| 09:57.19 | Kamping_Kaiser | lol |
| 09:57.19 | elt0n | hi |
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| 10:09.06 | MajorPayne | Hey. I have a motherboard with a Realtek 8201 phy onboard eithernet. It work fine when I had the netinstall cd in but after I booted into the new system I no longer have network access. |
| 10:09.18 | MajorPayne | I'm not sure what to do. |
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| 10:10.14 | lhadji | MajorPayne, what erorrs are you getting? |
| 10:10.25 | wols | MajorPayne: the PHY is irrelevant. what NIC is it? |
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| 10:11.02 | MajorPayne | lhadji: errors? It just doesn't work. |
| 10:11.38 | MajorPayne | wols: Umm. in the motherboard documentation it says Realtek 8201 phy (10/100 Mbit). |
| 10:11.44 | MajorPayne | Besides LAN. |
| 10:11.52 | netgear | how does one add iso's that are permanently mounted and added in fstab to apt-get sources.list |
| 10:12.02 | netgear | with the file:/path ? |
| 10:12.21 | wols | MajorPayne: and the PHY is irrelevant,.it's not your network card chip |
| 10:12.31 | netgear | <PROTECTED> |
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| 10:12.35 | wols | netgear: man sources.list |
| 10:12.44 | wols | netgear: "file" type |
| 10:12.51 | netgear | i did it still asks for discs |
| 10:12.57 | MajorPayne | wols: Ohh. I'm not sure where to look for that. That's all it says about the network. |
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| 10:13.06 | wols | MajorPayne: what chipset? |
| 10:13.11 | netgear | what options do i need to add like stable contrib main etc? |
| 10:13.23 | MajorPayne | nVIDIA GeForce 6100/nForce 400 chipset. |
| 10:13.48 | wols | MajorPayne: that chipset has GBit ethernet. not 10/100 |
| 10:13.53 | wols | MajorPayne: can you run lspci? |
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| 10:14.23 | MajorPayne | wols: Yea, what you looking for out of all that? |
| 10:14.31 | Coke | DOH! Gnuplot in etch: 4.0, latest 4.2. |
| 10:14.37 | wols | your network card(s) |
| 10:15.29 | MajorPayne | nVidia corperation MPC61 Eithernet. |
| 10:15.43 | PythonNi1ja | i'm wanting to enable monitor mode for my orinoco based card, what's teh best route, i can't find a version of orinoco-13e that'll compile on a 2.6 kernel |
| 10:15.45 | MajorPayne | Whops, MCP. |
| 10:15.50 | MajorPayne | MCP61* |
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| 10:16.28 | MajorPayne | rev a2 if that makes a difference. |
| 10:16.36 | my007ms | hello |
| 10:16.57 | my007ms | what command can do like rpm -qa " list all rpm i install " |
| 10:17.58 | my007ms | dpkg -l |
| 10:17.58 | wols | mypapit: dpkg -l |grep ^ii |
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| 10:18.08 | my007ms | thanks wols |
| 10:18.27 | wols | MajorPayne: check if "forcedeth" module is laoded. check if you have a ethX with /sbin/ifconfig -a |
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| 10:22.17 | MajorPayne | wols: I did modprobe forcedeth and it didn't say anything. fconfig -a shows 2 interfaces, eth2 and lo. |
| 10:22.35 | wols | ah. |
| 10:22.41 | wols | !tell MajorPayne about z25 |
| 10:23.04 | wols | it'c ause the card is named eth2 for some reeason now that it'S not configured with dhcp |
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| 10:24.14 | my007ms | wols, and how to search for dpkg online |
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| 10:24.27 | my007ms | wols, apt-get search <keyword> ? |
| 10:24.43 | MajorPayne | Ahh. Ok. I will remove the files, reboot and see if that helps. |
| 10:25.09 | wols | !tell my007ms about search |
| 10:25.16 | wols | !reboot |
| 10:25.17 | dpkg | you want to reboot for WHAT?? If it's not a new kernel or a hardware change, you probably don't need to reboot. Ask me about qotd2, or for chumps |
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| 10:25.21 | wols | MajorPayne: don't reboot |
| 10:25.22 | GiabboO | hi chan |
| 10:25.27 | GiabboO | wols, cheers |
| 10:25.43 | lhadji | MajorPayne, i dont think you need to delete anything either |
| 10:26.13 | MajorPayne | Ohh. That's what dpkg suggested to stop udev from renameing my interfaces. |
| 10:26.23 | MajorPayne | Not the reboot part. But I already did that. |
| 10:26.49 | MajorPayne | Ahh, but I have network. |
| 10:26.49 | MajorPayne | ! |
| 10:26.53 | MajorPayne | Thanks :-) |
| 10:27.05 | MajorPayne | I didn't remove them, I backed em up to roots home directory. |
| 10:27.07 | lhadji | MajorPayne you can go into /etc/udev/rules.d and change the z25-persistent-net.rules file |
| 10:27.14 | MajorPayne | But I don't know why I wouldn't be needing them. |
| 10:27.51 | MajorPayne | lhadji: Maybe what dpkg says should be updated. But it wont hurt anything by having them gone will it? |
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| 10:30.39 | ronr | I have about 10 computers running debian unstable (workstations running kde), I want to downgrade them to stable + backports (and maybe a few testing / unstable packages), should I expect a lot of trouble downgrading? |
| 10:30.51 | SlayerXP | ronr: yes. |
| 10:31.39 | wols | ronr: it's not possible basically |
| 10:31.49 | wols | e.g. it'S easier to reinstall than downgrade |
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| 10:33.58 | pagenoare | hi |
| 10:34.14 | pagenoare | i install my debian by deboitstrap |
| 10:34.22 | pagenoare | and i'm installing gnome now |
| 10:34.28 | MajorPayne | Humm. After removing the files (like dpkg suggested) it worked. But then I did another reboot and it got renamed again. |
| 10:34.32 | pagenoare | with chroot |
| 10:34.32 | MajorPayne | This time it is eth1. |
| 10:34.43 | pagenoare | if i reboot this os, and go to new debian |
| 10:34.50 | pagenoare | i must only start 'startx'? |
| 10:35.21 | xand | that sounds very painful |
| 10:35.27 | MajorPayne | It re-created the rules. |
| 10:35.30 | MajorPayne | After removeing them. |
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| 10:36.00 | lhadji | MajorPayne, cool |
| 10:36.02 | wols | MajorPayne: the dpkg factoid told you have to make udev not mess with naming eth anymore |
| 10:36.05 | wols | do it |
| 10:36.50 | MajorPayne | wols: Yes. It gave me two options, one edit it, two remove it. |
| 10:36.58 | MajorPayne | I removed both the files like it suggested. |
| 10:37.02 | MajorPayne | I will try editing it. |
| 10:37.10 | MajorPayne | But removeing them doesn't work. |
| 10:37.14 | LinuxBlues | pagenoare: gdm should start automagically, do you want to avoid it? |
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| 10:38.30 | pagenoare | no |
| 10:38.35 | pagenoare | i want to start it |
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| 10:38.55 | pagenoare | LinuxBlues, thanks ;> |
| 10:39.31 | wols | pagenoare: is gdm installed? |
| 10:39.40 | pagenoare | yea |
| 10:39.50 | wols | does /etc/rc2.d/S99gdm exist? |
| 10:39.58 | pagenoare | i installed xorg, gdm |
| 10:40.03 | pagenoare | and now i'm installing gnome |
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| 10:44.57 | ronr | wols: I was afraid of that (I recently downgraded a few fresh basic testing installs which went fine btw) |
| 10:44.58 | Rapp | hi. is anyone fluent with the devices under /dev/input? |
| 10:45.15 | wols | !anyone |
| 10:45.15 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone uses <someprogram>. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use <someprogram>?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls> |
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| 10:45.43 | MajorPayne | wols: Whops. I'm sorry. I didn't look at the factoid very well. I removed the wrong file. :-( |
| 10:45.46 | MajorPayne | Sorry. |
| 10:46.19 | Rapp | bla bla :) |
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| 10:46.35 | Kamping_Kaiser | rofl |
| 10:46.38 | Rapp | ok, why does /dev/input/event3 work, and not the link under /dev/input/by-id/named-something-like-this |
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| 10:48.12 | Rapp | btw, i am using a gunze touchscreen, that sometimes is event3 and sometimes event2. the by-id is always the same, and a symlink to the correct one. but x.org only takes the non-symlink. the other one gives an error |
| 10:50.55 | hackeron_ | hey, does anyone know a sound card supported in linux with at least 8 inputs (line in/mic) that can be recorded from all simultaneously? |
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| 10:53.02 | wols | !tell hackeron_ about hcl |
| 10:53.15 | Tezz | Cound anyone recommend a web browser for linux debian? |
| 10:53.26 | wols | it'S probably easier and cheaper to get a card with only 2 inputs and use 4 of them |
| 10:53.33 | wols | Tezz: iceweasel |
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| 10:53.56 | Tezz | oki, thanks |
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| 10:54.27 | LinuxBlues | Rapp: have you configured it in xorg.conf -> Option “Protocol†“auto-dev†|
| 10:54.49 | PythonNi1ja | Tezz: iceweasel |
| 10:55.01 | PythonNi1ja | oh.. wols my bad |
| 10:55.21 | Rapp | LinuxBlues, hm, no. |
| 10:55.42 | Rapp | i will try that! |
| 10:55.56 | LinuxBlues | Rapp: let's see, good luck ;-) |
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| 10:58.13 | GiabboO | does anyone know whats a good distro to have a linux box rounter ? |
| 10:58.25 | Coke | Sometimes when a binary is removed from /usr/bin/ and a new one exists in /usr/local/bin BASH will give me this error: no such file or directory, even though the binary is in /usr/local/bin. How do I "update" the BASH environment to understand that the binary it's looking for is no longer available in /usr/bin ? |
| 10:58.32 | GiabboO | i have a ethernet modem and i want to make a linux router... |
| 10:58.56 | Kamping_Kaiser | Coke, it should be in your path already |
| 10:59.46 | dancek | Coke, something like PATH=$PATH might work |
| 10:59.58 | Coke | dancek: is this a bug in BASH? |
| 11:00.16 | LinuxBlues | Coke: no |
| 11:00.24 | dancek | dunno. I haven't been using bash for a loooooong time |
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| 11:00.50 | Coke | LinuxBlues: it's very odd behavior. |
| 11:02.04 | LinuxBlues | you only need to add it to your PATH |
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| 11:03.10 | dancek | Coke, I think bash might make a list of every available binary into memory each time $PATH is set. If you remove a file, bash will still see it on the list and it can't figure why it doesn't exist. |
| 11:03.53 | dancek | so if you say PATH=$PATH bash might take a second look at the list. |
| 11:04.47 | LinuxBlues | export PATH=$PATH:/usr/local/bin/ in ~/.bashrc should work |
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| 11:06.31 | Tobizaz | hi.. im installing doing a netinstall on my laptop, but during installation I get stuck because it cant find my network card.. it's a atheros card.. Is there ome way to load the card so i can install ? |
| 11:07.55 | LinuxBlues | Tobizaz: wireless is unsupported by netinstall |
| 11:08.05 | LinuxBlues | (at least, by now) |
| 11:08.16 | Tobizaz | LinuxBlues: it's not a wireless card |
| 11:08.23 | LinuxBlues | oh! |
| 11:08.29 | LinuxBlues | sorry |
| 11:08.37 | Tobizaz | LinuxBlues: np xD |
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| 11:09.51 | wols | Tobizaz: what card is it exactly? |
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| 11:13.41 | poncha | how can i comment out a line in apt.conf ? |
| 11:13.58 | streuner_ | why? |
| 11:14.49 | poncha | streuner_: why comment-out ? because i have there proxy definition and i need to take it off temporary but i fear i will not remember how to put it back ;) |
| 11:15.25 | themill | poncha: man apt.conf |
| 11:15.25 | poncha | nevermind, foud a way to comment ;) |
| 11:15.32 | clamiax | poncha: apt.conf(5) says that line comments starts with "//" ;) |
| 11:15.41 | poncha | themill: its not in manual page i have |
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| 11:15.50 | poncha | i guess i have old release ;) |
| 11:15.54 | themill | poncha: what version of debian are you using? |
| 11:15.59 | poncha | sarge there |
| 11:16.01 | streuner_ | poncha: What does 'dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1' say? |
| 11:16.28 | clamiax | poncha: the man page is not updated from february 2004 :-P |
| 11:16.52 | poncha | hm |
| 11:17.00 | poncha | ;) |
| 11:17.42 | Tobizaz | wols: not shure.. when i run a lspci it goes ethernet controller: atheros (unknown device) |
| 11:17.43 | poncha | i have one dated 2005-03-22 |
| 11:17.46 | Tobizaz | sure* |
| 11:17.48 | poncha | probably i missed it there |
| 11:17.58 | themill | poncha: from sarge's man 5 apt.conf: "Lines starting with // are treated as comments" |
| 11:17.59 | poncha | thanks everyone |
| 11:18.15 | clamiax | yw |
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| 11:18.20 | wols | Tobizaz: what PCI IDs? |
| 11:18.27 | themill | poncha: when reading a man page, if you hit / then you can search through the man page... if you're using less as your pager. |
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| 11:18.42 | Tobizaz | wols: 05:00.0 |
| 11:18.53 | themill | Tobizaz: can you do an lspci -n |
| 11:18.55 | wols | that's no PCI ID, that's the PCI slot |
| 11:19.09 | wols | what themill said |
| 11:19.11 | poncha | themill: same when using more pager i think ;) but yeah, when searching i didnt escape slashes ;) |
| 11:19.17 | GhostlyDeath | What's the difference between .img and .iso? |
| 11:19.42 | wols | GhostlyDeath: neither img nor iso have any meaning. they are just 3 letters |
| 11:19.44 | Tobizaz | 168c:001c then ? |
| 11:19.55 | wols | yes |
| 11:20.09 | themill | poncha: :) |
| 11:20.33 | wols | Tobizaz: that's not ethernet |
| 11:20.35 | themill | Tobizaz: that's an atheros wireless |
| 11:20.43 | themill | AR5006EG 802.11 b/g Wireless PCI Express Adapter |
| 11:20.54 | Tobizaz | wols: argh ok.. 2 sec |
| 11:21.15 | GhostlyDeath | wols: Was wandering if CD images of another extension were in a different format |
| 11:21.29 | themill | Tobizaz: lspci | grep -i net |
| 11:22.01 | wols | GhostlyDeath: some are, some aren't |
| 11:22.27 | wols | usually img is like iso, but there aren't any guarantees. try to mount it with a loopback and you will know |
| 11:22.37 | DustyBin | Im trying to install bind9 on a fresh install of debian etch, i havent mixed up any unstable / testing packages, when i launch: apt-get install bind9 it errors with this: http://paste.linux-noob.com/index.php?query=2420 |
| 11:22.49 | LinuxBlues | GhostlyDeath: .img is CloneCD format, and .iso is a standard, every program supports .iso cd images |
| 11:22.58 | Tobizaz | wols: oh.. there is another card.. an nvidia one.. 10de:054c |
| 11:23.10 | themill | GhostlyDeath: img files are sometimes a "raw" image that can contain subtrack information that the iso wouldn't. |
| 11:23.14 | wols | LinuxBlues: how is it a standard? what standards body defined "iso" explicitly? |
| 11:23.34 | GhostlyDeath | I just use FIle roller to open it and it works fine |
| 11:23.46 | wols | Tobizaz: forcedeth is the driver. check lsmod if it'S laoded and do /sbin/ifconfig -a for any ethX that show up |
| 11:24.15 | Tobizaz | wols: kk thx will do :) |
| 11:24.23 | themill | wols: are you sure about forcedeth? I can't get any match against that pciid for a 2.6.22 kernel |
| 11:24.57 | LinuxBlues | wols: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ISO_9660 |
| 11:25.08 | themill | Linsnap... |
| 11:25.11 | asBook | atheros ethernet is very simple to install |
| 11:25.11 | themill | gah |
| 11:25.24 | themill | LinuxBlues: was about to post the same link... |
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| 11:25.49 | LinuxBlues | themill: heh, sorry |
| 11:25.57 | themill | ravenbird: hello |
| 11:25.57 | ravenbird | hi, themill |
| 11:26.07 | GhostlyDeath | There any monitor app that can tell me what processes are reading and writing to the disk? |
| 11:26.12 | wols | themill: all nvidia NICs use forcedeth and 10de is nvidia |
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| 11:26.25 | themill | simonrvn: ravenbird's back... long time no see? |
| 11:26.26 | ravenbird | how are you today themill? |
| 11:27.39 | themill | LinuxBlues: nothing to be sorry about ;) |
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| 11:27.39 | simonrvn | yeh, oddness with network backbone, lots of disconns, bot doesn't deal with that very well |
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| 11:27.51 | DustyBin | the problem with bind9 was, my security repos were # out, it installs ok now |
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| 11:27.57 | themill | wols: ahh... but the kernel won't match the pciid so the driver won't attach to the hardware, will it? |
| 11:28.02 | DustyBin | clever old debian hey |
| 11:28.14 | PythonNi1ja | whoops :S |
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| 11:28.28 | jelly-home | !nickometer PythonNi1ja |
| 11:28.29 | dpkg | 'PythonNi1ja' is 22.000% lame, jelly-home |
| 11:28.34 | simonrvn | ok i won't lart you then |
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| 11:29.10 | g00se | Where are xfce4-mixer settings stored? Mine are never remembered |
| 11:29.13 | wols | themill: probably not :( |
| 11:29.18 | wols | Tobizaz: what mainboard is this? |
| 11:29.52 | ravenbird | themill: *sssh* i don't get HUPped automatically, i keep telling him to do that :P |
| 11:30.02 | wols | themill: http://people.debian.org/~terpstra/message/20071023.002034.563fe6d1.en.html |
| 11:30.18 | wols | says it 2.6.22 forcedeth supports this pci id if I read it correctly |
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| 11:30.41 | PythonNi1ja | jelly-home: nickowhat now? |
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| 11:30.47 | Tobizaz | wols: not sure.. doesn't look like the driver is loaded.. |
| 11:30.57 | wols | Tobizaz: what kernel do you run? |
| 11:31.04 | wols | you might have to try a 2.6.22 backport |
| 11:31.18 | wols | seems you have very new hardware |
| 11:31.19 | Tobizaz | wols: 2.6.18 |
| 11:31.22 | PythonNinja | !nickometer PythonNinja |
| 11:31.24 | dpkg | 'PythonNinja' is 0.000% lame, pythonninja |
| 11:31.50 | wols | ninjas are never lame, are they? |
| 11:32.03 | BotaniCar | ninja's are never lame ! |
| 11:32.05 | simonrvn | but n1nj4s are |
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| 11:32.41 | simonrvn | "ninjas", "ninja's" is 'possessive' |
| 11:33.08 | PythonNinja | haha |
| 11:33.13 | wols | after all being lame means they couldn't run aaway from the pirates as they always do |
| 11:33.22 | wols | stinking cowards they are |
| 11:33.29 | PythonNinja | although, mysteriously irssi picks PythonNi1ja as an alternate if i'm already on |
| 11:33.38 | PythonNinja | o.0 ninjas pwn pirates any day |
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| 11:34.16 | simonrvn | that's irssi. could either be in ~/.irssi/config or the automagic nick picker |
| 11:34.27 | wols | a pirate's parrot could kick the ninja's ass |
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| 11:34.34 | Kamping_Kaiser | lol |
| 11:34.37 | PythonNinja | not really fussed, i should just notice and ghost before i start floaring around |
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| 11:34.48 | simonrvn | THEM'S FIGHTIN' WORDS!!!1111! |
| 11:35.17 | simonrvn | *grin* |
| 11:36.42 | Tobizaz | wols: yes i've got very new hardware xD bought the laptop last saturday |
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| 11:37.48 | Crypticfortune | how do i query what the max pid is for a debian system (i suspect this isn't debian specific, but..) |
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| 11:38.07 | Crypticfortune | s/$/?/ |
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| 11:38.28 | SlayerXP | Crypticfortune: that's an interesting question. |
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| 11:39.57 | Crypticfortune | SlayerXP: thanks. i think i found my answer though (/proc/sys/kernel/pid_max) |
| 11:41.15 | mbroeker | Crypticfortune, this value is a default. you can tune it up to 64k |
| 11:42.31 | Crypticfortune | mbroeker: but if you set it to something else that procfs file would change, right? (i wonder if you can tune it just by writing to that file?) |
| 11:42.59 | wols | Crypticfortune: usually you can |
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| 11:43.20 | wols | just like you enable ip_forward in /prco |
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| 11:43.30 | Crypticfortune | wols: spiffy |
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| 11:45.48 | themill | !coffee marc7 |
| 11:46.04 | themill | helps pass the time... |
| 11:46.06 | marc7 | thanks :) |
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| 11:47.04 | marc7 | only about three hours left before people start waking up and noticing that everything's down... and I'm far from finished my change |
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| 11:52.55 | alexandroos | how do i get the total size of my mp3's lying around the hard disk? |
| 11:54.24 | themill | alexandroos: are they all in one set of directories (say music/) or are they in different places? |
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| 11:58.15 | themill | alexandroos: if they're all in ~/music/, then "du -ks ~/music/" but if they could be anywhere then try "find / -name \*mp3 -print0 | xargs -0 du -sc" (and get a coffee while it's running) |
| 11:59.53 | alexandroos | they're in differente places |
| 12:00.05 | alexandroos | thanks themill |
| 12:00.31 | themill | np |
| 12:01.07 | alexandroos | themill, what is xargs? |
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| 12:01.43 | themill | takes output from one command and uses it as arguments to the next command. man xargs |
| 12:02.07 | alexandroos | ok |
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| 12:05.30 | alexandroos | themill, is the result in kbytes? |
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| 12:07.25 | harpal | Can I resize my ext3 partition? |
| 12:07.43 | wols | yes. gparted |
| 12:08.36 | phogg | also ext2resize |
| 12:08.40 | themill | alexandroos: yes (man du). If you also give du a -h then you you'll get it in K or M or G and it will tell you the units |
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| 12:09.27 | ^Timo^ | Morning fellows |
| 12:09.48 | themill | dpkg: greet ^Timo^ |
| 12:09.48 | dpkg | Howdy, ^Timo^ |
| 12:09.53 | ^Timo^ | :) |
| 12:10.04 | ^Timo^ | i have a question for you guys |
| 12:10.16 | ^Timo^ | i am checking the pid list of my server |
| 12:10.22 | ^Timo^ | and found something wierd |
| 12:10.26 | ^Timo^ | . /usr/X11R6/bin/X :0 -audit 0 -auth /var/lib/gdm/:0.Xauth -nolisten tcp vt8 |
| 12:10.39 | PythonNinja | themill: did you write dpkg or something? |
| 12:10.40 | harpal | But gparted for gnome? i done have any desktop environment |
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| 12:11.02 | PythonNinja | harpal: gparted livecd? |
| 12:11.03 | ^Timo^ | this pid file is eating alot of cpu and mem |
| 12:11.11 | ^Timo^ | anyone knows what it is and does? |
| 12:11.21 | simonrvn | PythonNinja: no, dpkg is an infobot |
| 12:11.24 | themill | PythonNinja: hardly. dpkg is a hacked about blootbot. |
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| 12:11.45 | wols | tim__b: very weird. why is X installed on a server? |
| 12:11.59 | ^Timo^ | don't know |
| 12:12.08 | wols | you installed it, so you should know |
| 12:12.13 | ^Timo^ | i know that its eating alot of cpu and mem |
| 12:12.17 | ^Timo^ | yeah... |
| 12:12.23 | PythonNinja | you're running an X server for some insane reason |
| 12:12.28 | wols | so why did you install X and gdm even? |
| 12:12.50 | ^Timo^ | don't know maybe i have needed it before ;/ |
| 12:13.06 | ^Timo^ | don't know exactly |
| 12:13.08 | PythonNinja | o.0 does the server even have a display hooked up to it? |
| 12:13.14 | wols | it'S simply your gdm. there is no reason you need X on a server |
| 12:13.16 | alexandroos | themill, thanks again u've been very useful |
| 12:13.20 | wols | xlibx: maybe. X server: no |
| 12:13.31 | ^Timo^ | hmm what does x do? |
| 12:13.35 | PythonNinja | wols: my server has most of the X libs |
| 12:13.36 | wols | it'S the GUI |
| 12:13.48 | wols | PythonNinja: as I said: xlibs: maybe. but xlibs are not a server |
| 12:14.01 | wols | or at least don't call it a server then... |
| 12:14.05 | PythonNinja | yeah exactly |
| 12:14.06 | ^Timo^ | hmm.. |
| 12:14.11 | ^Timo^ | what is it? |
| 12:14.31 | PythonNinja | it's the gui |
| 12:14.32 | wols | tim__b: doN't you know what X11 or a GUI is? |
| 12:14.33 | mbroeker | ^Timo^, apt-get remove --purge x11-common and check the list of apps, which then can be autoremoved... |
| 12:14.43 | PythonNinja | hey that's a thought, i could nick the vidcard from my server |
| 12:14.47 | wols | !x11 |
| 12:14.47 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, x11 is a protocol used by X servers and clients X11 stands for the eleventh version of the X window system. |
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| 12:18.09 | tim__b | thanks for the highlight, wols, i would have missed that informations ;) |
| 12:18.53 | wols | tim__b: my pleasure :) |
| 12:18.59 | tim__b | :) |
| 12:19.28 | tim__b | so, now that you woke me up, wols, bring me some coffee |
| 12:19.53 | wols | tim__b: pleasuring others has limits :P |
| 12:20.05 | PythonNinja | !coffee tim__b |
| 12:20.07 | tim__b | hehe :) i see |
| 12:20.19 | tim__b | thanks, PythonNinja :) |
| 12:20.22 | PythonNinja | np |
| 12:20.40 | Kodomut | hi i downloaded the vmware RPM, how do i make it into a .deb |
| 12:20.40 | PythonNinja | i think this machine wishes i'd stop making it do stuff |
| 12:20.51 | PythonNinja | i have a screen session with 3 compiles going |
| 12:21.00 | PythonNinja | i might really torture the thing and start X |
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| 12:21.58 | tim__b | Kodomut, alien is a program that converts between Red Hat rpm, Debian deb, Stampede slp, Slackware tgz, and Solaris pkg file formats. |
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| 12:22.36 | wols | tim__b: great way to hose your system |
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| 12:22.46 | DawnLight | right ^ |
| 12:22.46 | PythonNinja | tim__b: wait.. slack uses .tgz as a PACKAGE extension?! |
| 12:22.50 | wols | !vmware |
| 12:22.50 | dpkg | VMware isn't part of Debian, therefore it's not supported. Ask me about <vmware support> and <vmware-package>. |
| 12:22.53 | themill | !tell Kodomut about vmware-package |
| 12:22.59 | wols | PythonNinja: it does |
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| 12:23.02 | tim__b | PythonNinja, that what the manpage says ;) |
| 12:23.16 | PythonNinja | well that's silly.. i think i remember why i never use my slack machine at work |
| 12:23.17 | sh0wt1me | whats the difference between debian etch and stable? |
| 12:23.20 | tim__b | i never actually converted something using alien, always used debs |
| 12:23.23 | sh0wt1me | erm i mean sarg |
| 12:23.23 | themill | PythonNinja: slack package *are* .tar.gz files. |
| 12:23.42 | PythonNinja | themill: oh, so it's just source, then why call it a package? |
| 12:23.49 | themill | !tell sh0wt1me about release history |
| 12:24.11 | themill | PythonNinja: it's not source, it's compiled. a tar.gz can contain anything it likes. |
| 12:24.30 | PythonNinja | yeah, i realise that, i have tgzs ogf everything lying around |
| 12:24.50 | PythonNinja | it just strikes me as stupid, since presumably a package and a source tarball could wind up in the same place |
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| 12:25.35 | harpal | I have installed gnome by giving command aptitude install gnome. but While it trying to start gdm it gets error X: Can not stat /etc/X11/X (No Such file or directory) aborting |
| 12:26.05 | themill | PythonNinja: no, the package will have a long and interesting name with slack versions etc in it in just the same way as the debian packages do. And it would just be a case of repo management anyway, and that's all automated. |
| 12:27.25 | wols | harpal: install xorg then. you haven't installed an xserver yet |
| 12:27.41 | PythonNinja | themill: ah fair enough. i don't really use package managers anyway, so i'm nice and quick to critisise ;) |
| 12:27.41 | PythonNinja | harpal: apt-get install xserver-xorg xfonts-base |
| 12:28.22 | harpal | wols PythonNinja thanks |
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| 12:29.13 | Kodomut | tim__b where does alien save its output? |
| 12:29.25 | wols | Kodomut: . afaik |
| 12:29.29 | ^Timo^ | Hi. |
| 12:29.40 | ^Timo^ | i just uninstalled gdm and x11 |
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| 12:29.49 | wols | good for your server |
| 12:30.07 | ^Timo^ | anyone knows a good solution for still having a grapical interface on the server |
| 12:30.15 | PythonNinja | ........ |
| 12:30.20 | PythonNinja | you what now? |
| 12:30.25 | Kodomut | wols how do i install the .deb? |
| 12:30.31 | PythonNinja | you can always install something like icewm and tunnel via ssh |
| 12:30.37 | ^Timo^ | maybe. KDE for a instancce |
| 12:30.38 | PythonNinja | ^Timo^: why do you want a gui though? |
| 12:30.39 | wols | Kodomut: man dpkg |
| 12:30.53 | tarzeau | PythonNinja: for blender? |
| 12:30.54 | ^Timo^ | how do i install it ? |
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| 12:31.05 | ^Timo^ | cuz |
| 12:31.20 | ^Timo^ | sometimes it just could be handy |
| 12:31.20 | ^Timo^ | ;) |
| 12:31.28 | PythonNinja | but like, if you wanted a gui, then why did you uninstall xorg ? |
| 12:32.17 | ^Timo^ | cuz its eating my mem and cpy didn't know it whas my grapical basics |
| 12:32.26 | ^Timo^ | how do i install kde |
| 12:32.28 | PythonNinja | then set default runlevel to 3 |
| 12:32.32 | wols | tim__b: install X but don't install gdm |
| 12:32.33 | PythonNinja | apt-get install kde ......? |
| 12:32.43 | ^Timo^ | yes |
| 12:32.45 | wols | PythonNinja: doesn't mean a thing in debian |
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| 12:32.52 | themill | !tell ^Timo^ about install kde |
| 12:32.53 | ^Timo^ | apt-get install kde will not work |
| 12:33.11 | ^Timo^ | it says it needs some libs and stuff |
| 12:33.26 | PythonNinja | wols: really? ... so how would i stop it from starting gdm/kdm ..? does it have a script in /etc/rc.d ? |
| 12:33.29 | themill | ^Timo^: it should. Can you pastebin the output. And your sources.list? |
| 12:33.47 | ^Timo^ | yeah i can |
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| 12:34.09 | wols | !nodm |
| 12:34.09 | dpkg | Debian does not use a specific runlevel for graphical display managers by default. Just remove the dm package(s) with "apt-get remove xdm kdm wdm login.app gdm pdm". "update-rc.d -f xdm remove" and friends will also disable the dm until a package update is installed and the runlevel symlinks are restored.. NEWSFLASH! echo "false" >/etc/X11/default-display-manager, or a temporary solution is to hit ctl-alt-fN to get to a console |
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| 12:35.32 | ^Timo^ | http://pastebin.ca/805497 |
| 12:35.48 | ^Timo^ | yes* i can |
| 12:36.25 | Kodomut | where does apt keep the files of installed packages? |
| 12:36.35 | wols | Kodomut: /var/cache/apt/archives/ |
| 12:36.50 | Kodomut | i accidently pressed ctrl c while installing vmware |
| 12:36.54 | Kodomut | now i can't install it again |
| 12:37.09 | wols | !tell Kodomut about bat |
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| 12:37.14 | themill | ^Timo^: your source.list is a mixture of sarge and stable. Are you wanting to use sarge (oldstable) or etch (stable)? |
| 12:37.25 | wols | using packages made with alien is not advised anyways: breaks debian |
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| 12:37.46 | themill | ^Timo^: oh, and the dotdeb stuff is ugly, broken, painful and generally not recommended. |
| 12:37.49 | wols | ^Timo^: and more importantly: how fare have you mxied them already? |
| 12:38.14 | ^Timo^ | don't know |
| 12:38.41 | wols | ^Timo^: imho: upgrade to etch. |
| 12:39.01 | ^Timo^ | kay |
| 12:39.02 | themill | ^Timo^: remove the dotdeb repos and then /msg dpkg sarge->etch |
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| 12:40.40 | Kodomut | was getting the vmware RPM a mistake? |
| 12:40.43 | themill | ^Timo^: once you've removed the dotdeb repos and re-run aptitude update, you can look at the list of "Obsolete or locally installed" packages in aptitude (or synaptic) and from there you can see what you've installed from dotdeb. You may need to uninstall the dotdeb packages to successfully upgrade to etch. |
| 12:40.47 | Kodomut | or should i get the .tar instead |
| 12:40.52 | ^Timo^ | done |
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| 12:41.53 | ^Timo^ | have removed them |
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| 12:42.30 | ^Timo^ | this is what there is left on sources.list |
| 12:42.30 | ^Timo^ | http://pastebin.ca/805503 |
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| 12:43.15 | themill | ^Timo^: OK, then read the release notes carefully about how to upgrade from sarge->etch. You will want to change all the mentions of both sarge and stable to etch as part of that upgrade. |
| 12:43.27 | themill | !tell ^Timo^ about sarge->etch |
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| 12:45.09 | ^Timo^ | ok thanks |
| 12:45.11 | ^Timo^ | btw. |
| 12:45.13 | themill | ^Timo^: other than s/sarge/etch/ and s/stable/etch/ in your sources.list, you may also want to add contrib non-free to all lines since you have contrib and non-free backports you may as well have them for the main repo |
| 12:45.14 | ^Timo^ | i run apptidue |
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| 12:45.24 | ^Timo^ | aptitude |
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| 12:45.49 | ^Timo^ | but how do i know whats is sarge ? |
| 12:46.25 | extor | are vmlinuz files(kernels) and initrd.gz files sort of custom made for each other or can you mix and match them? |
| 12:46.33 | themill | ^Timo^: which packages are from sarge and not etch? |
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| 12:48.18 | ^Timo^ | themill : how do i know ? mostly i just download from release site and install it from tar.gz |
| 12:48.29 | ^Timo^ | this is quiet new for me so.. |
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| 12:50.02 | jewel | why does vlc fail looking for wxwidgets plugin (which does exist)? |
| 12:50.17 | themill | ^Timo^: you almost never need to touch source files with debian -- someone else has usually done the hard work for you and you can aptitude install packagename |
| 12:50.51 | ^Timo^ | okay. |
| 12:51.07 | ^Timo^ | i don't know whats installed from sarge |
| 12:51.08 | ^Timo^ | but |
| 12:51.31 | ^Timo^ | when i try aptitude dist-update it won't work |
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| 12:52.06 | Christoph_vW | does anyone know how much memory debian etch can handle? (x86) |
| 12:52.14 | Christoph_vW | can it use more than 4GB with PAE? |
| 12:52.32 | PythonNinja | Christoph_vW: there's a 64GB option in the compile options |
| 12:52.36 | PythonNinja | not sure how much wtih default kernel |
| 12:52.38 | themill | ^Timo^: not sure about how to see the sarge/etch versions, but please pastebin the aptitude failure |
| 12:52.58 | themill | Christoph_vW: there's a -686 kernel for up to 4GB and a -686-bigmem for more |
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| 12:53.37 | liable | whats PAE? |
| 12:53.54 | Christoph_vW | Physical Address Extension |
| 12:53.55 | liable | innit only more than 4G with 64? |
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| 12:54.55 | Christoph_vW | you can use up to 64GiB with PAE |
| 12:55.18 | liable | on 32bit debian? |
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| 12:55.35 | Christoph_vW | yes |
| 12:55.44 | Gekz | PAE ftw |
| 12:55.58 | liable | you sure about that? |
| 12:55.59 | Christoph_vW | looks like it is supported since kernel 2.4.4 |
| 12:56.05 | Gekz | why do the kernels have a ram limiter? |
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| 12:56.33 | cast | whats a ram limiter? |
| 12:56.55 | Christoph_vW | PAE is only supported by processors with 36bit address bus |
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| 12:57.07 | krifur | Hello, my external got a few problem (strange noise, impossible to access some file) so i remove all the data that were on the partition which was making trouble and know i would like to perform a test or a check up, like a format or something, what can i do so ? |
| 12:57.07 | Gekz | limited in the kernel |
| 12:57.17 | krifur | external hard drive* |
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| 12:57.25 | cast | krifur: sounds like its dying |
| 12:57.46 | krifur | cast: know it recover a lot :o) |
| 12:58.04 | krifur | cast: i mean no it recovering a lot :/ |
| 12:58.22 | Christoph_vW | I really dislike the aptitude command - I missspell it everytime :/ |
| 12:58.24 | cast | krifur: badblocks might be handy |
| 12:58.24 | themill | liable: http://packages.debian.org/sid/linux-image-2.6.22-3-686-bigmem |
| 12:58.34 | krifur | i don t use it since 3 month and now everythings seems ok |
| 12:58.36 | themill | Christoph_vW: tab completion |
| 12:58.38 | cast | Christoph_vW: alias Ai='sudo aptitude install' |
| 12:58.39 | cast | :) |
| 12:58.47 | Christoph_vW | hehe |
| 12:59.04 | themill | alias auu='sudo aptitude update && sudo aptitude upgrade' |
| 12:59.29 | krifur | i will stop using it intensively but i want to perform a format test or something like that now that it s empty |
| 12:59.38 | streuner_ | !pae |
| 12:59.38 | dpkg | Physical Address Extension (PAE) refers to a feature of x86 and x86-64 processors that allows more than 4 gibibytes (GiB) of physical memory to be used in 32-bit systems, given appropriate operating system support. The Linux kernel supports PAE starting from 2.6.x It has full PAE support, enabling access of up to 64 GiB of memory on 32-bit machines. |
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| 13:00.54 | krifur | so what tool can i use to "format" a partition ? |
| 13:01.20 | streuner_ | man mkfs |
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| 13:01.32 | krifur | ty |
| 13:01.35 | liable | fdisk |
| 13:01.41 | krifur | lol |
| 13:01.44 | liable | mkfs for making a fs |
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| 13:02.18 | liable | not really funny, but anyway.. |
| 13:02.32 | krifur | fdisk is for linux ? |
| 13:02.39 | neotic | *nix |
| 13:02.47 | streuner_ | !fdisk |
| 13:02.47 | dpkg | i guess fdisk is the universal problem solver, see http://www.fdisk.it for more information. ALL HAIL FDISK! |
| 13:02.48 | krifur | yeah |
| 13:03.01 | krifur | thx |
| 13:04.37 | streuner_ | !fdisk |
| 13:04.37 | dpkg | fdisk is the name used for several hard disk partition table editor programs for PC compatible computers. Before a hard disk can be used by an operating system on a PC, it must be divided into one or more logical disks called partitions. |
| 13:05.19 | ^Timo^ | themill : its doing its work now i think aptitude dist-upgrade is downloading the packages now |
| 13:05.19 | ^Timo^ | :) |
| 13:05.24 | ^Timo^ | hope its gonna work |
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| 13:06.24 | streuner_ | !hakadance liable |
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| 13:07.35 | Christoph_vW | grub-set-default isn't very user friendly :/ would be nice when it could display the selected entry name after the selection |
| 13:07.58 | harpal | I have one GUI application. I want to know that If I change some thing from GUI than which file is changed by program? |
| 13:07.59 | Christoph_vW | to verify if I got the correct one |
| 13:08.07 | streuner_ | send patches |
| 13:08.39 | Rapp | my x.org server automatically enables the attached touchpad and mouse. i want to disable the touchpad. how do i do that? i commented out all inputdevices except for keyboard in xorg.conf, but still it uses both mice... |
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| 13:11.16 | themill | harpal: either strace or use Copy-On-Write (e.g. cowdancer) or if you know where to look, take a copy of the directory and then use diff -r old/ new/ |
| 13:11.59 | Rapp | has this something to do with hist: http://wiki.x.org/wiki/XInputHotplug? |
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| 13:14.50 | serieus | I believe there was an option in the interfaces file in Debian, that if you requests an ip address trough dhcp that it wouldn't set the default gateway.. |
| 13:15.08 | serieus | Can anybody refresh my mind, since the manpages can't ;) |
| 13:15.16 | mbroeker | whats the kernel vga= param for 800x600? |
| 13:15.23 | asg | serieus: I thought that option was an override in the dhcp config |
| 13:15.46 | serieus | asg: Do you mean that you can't set it per-interface then ? |
| 13:16.02 | streuner_ | asg: How is life today? :-) |
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| 13:16.15 | harpal | themill, thanks |
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| 13:16.21 | asg | streuner_: painful, I've ganked my ribs :( |
| 13:16.30 | streuner_ | ganked? |
| 13:16.40 | themill | harpal: np |
| 13:16.44 | asg | streuner_: re-cracked / re-broken ... not sure yet |
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| 13:17.19 | hackintosh | heya iam using gnome 2.20 with 2 screens and i use the twinview mode with a resolution of 2560x1024... how can i extend the panels over both screens... /join #gnome? |
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| 13:18.34 | asg | serieus: they can as long as you match the overrides to the mac address of the interface |
| 13:18.42 | streuner_ | asg: hm, go to doctor |
| 13:18.54 | Kodomut | hey, what package must be installed for chroot? |
| 13:18.58 | asg | streuner_: yeah, will do once I take care of somet hings |
| 13:19.00 | Kodomut | it says chroot command not found |
| 13:19.01 | asg | *things |
| 13:19.12 | themill | !tell Kodomut about search |
| 13:19.15 | asg | Kodomut: /msg dpkg search |
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| 13:19.30 | streuner_ | !find chroot |
| 13:19.31 | serieus | asg: found it. supersede option in the interface option. thnx |
| 13:19.37 | themill | Kodomut: coreutils |
| 13:19.50 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'chroot' (7 of 38): (/usr/sbin/chroot) in utils/coreutils ;; (/usr/bin/cvschroot) in devel/cvsutils ;; (/etc/ftpchroot) in net/ftpd,net/ftpd-ssl ;; (/bin/dtc-chroot-shell) in admin/dtc-common ;; (/usr/share/dist/U/d_chroot.U) in devel/dist ;; (/usr/sbin/smtpd-setup-chroot) in mail/smtpd ;; (/usr/lib/rssh/rssh_chroot_helper) in net/rssh. |
| 13:19.59 | themill | dpkg: you're slow |
| 13:20.00 | dpkg | No, I'm not slow, I'm just overworked, underpaid, underappreciated and much maligned. Now STOP NAGGING ME!!!! |
| 13:20.17 | john_scrotum | anyone know of a nice curses based mp3 player? i love xterms! :) |
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| 13:20.45 | asg | john_scrotum: mpd should have a curses client |
| 13:21.18 | john_scrotum | asg: is it pretty with nice colors? |
| 13:21.29 | asg | john_scrotum: apt-cache show mpd (no idea on the pretty colors though) |
| 13:21.51 | john_scrotum | I want to get back to using the console almost exclusively in xterms. |
| 13:21.59 | streuner_ | asg: i have pain in my shoulder since days, pretty nasty, i have problems to type.. |
| 13:22.04 | john_scrotum | asg: thanks. I will. |
| 13:22.37 | asg | streuner_: I'm fine as long as I don't twist or exert any force on the left side. |
| 13:22.39 | streuner_ | asg: sitting in a wrong chair serveral hours / day isnt good to your health |
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| 13:22.52 | dbmoodb | weee |
| 13:22.57 | asg | streuner_: yeah, I know how that is. Fortunately, the couch is comfy |
| 13:23.02 | dbmoodb | lol |
| 13:23.08 | dbmoodb | you got a couch ? |
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| 13:23.42 | asg | dbmoodb: I'm about to trade my roundtable and chairs for one (in the office). I'm on the couch at home though right now. |
| 13:24.16 | dbmoodb | oh |
| 13:24.26 | dbmoodb | ok |
| 13:24.33 | asg | dbmoodb: my only issue with the office couch is that the cleaning crew has been known to sleep on it during the evening hours |
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| 13:24.53 | dbmoodb | btw i approve of the iceweasel logo - who made it ? |
| 13:25.20 | dbmoodb | -i hope we never go back to the firefox logo- even when the debian /firefox argument is settled |
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| 13:25.23 | dbmoodb | oh - lol |
| 13:27.36 | dbmoodb | well couches are comfy |
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| 13:28.04 | ^Timo^ | someone needs to speak with my private ? |
| 13:28.15 | ^Timo^ | just got this msg Private messages from unregistered users are currently blocked due to spam problems, but you can always message a staffer. Please register! ( http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#privmsg ) |
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| 13:28.21 | cast | erm, no. i don't float that way |
| 13:28.27 | ^Timo^ | :) |
| 13:28.31 | fireba11 | dbmoodb : show me :-D |
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| 13:28.51 | cook | hey guys someone here who wants to help me with mounting a windows harddisk with a litte ash shell? |
| 13:29.00 | cook | i cant find the right harddisk drive name |
| 13:29.02 | dbmoodb | what ? |
| 13:29.14 | dbmoodb | fireball ? |
| 13:29.15 | fireba11 | dbmoodb: the iceweasel logo |
| 13:29.17 | cast | cook: fdisk -l will list all partitions |
| 13:29.23 | dbmoodb | ...... you in debian no ? |
| 13:29.25 | cook | he says fdisk not found |
| 13:29.26 | cook | :( |
| 13:29.31 | cook | i tried that already |
| 13:29.59 | wols | cook: you are not root |
| 13:30.00 | fireba11 | dbmoodb : don't have a debian with a GUI around to access ^^ |
| 13:30.02 | asg | cook: as root? |
| 13:30.05 | wols | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:30.06 | dbmoodb | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Iceweasel-icon.svg |
| 13:30.07 | dbmoodb | oh lol |
| 13:30.08 | wols | there is no gui needed |
| 13:30.20 | cook | iam root |
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| 13:30.30 | fireba11 | hm .. cute .-D |
| 13:30.31 | dbmoodb | ahaahahah |
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| 13:30.33 | dbmoodb | !root |
| 13:30.34 | wols | asg: cat /proc/partitions |
| 13:30.34 | dpkg | It has been said that root is the administrative account - only use it when root power is needed. So no reading mail, compiling programs, or running applications as root. And don't even think about irc'ing as root, it increases the danger from exploits and trojans (such as bliss), or see, for example, the security advisory on BitchX http://www.debian.org/security/2003/dsa-306 |
| 13:30.51 | wols | cook: cat /proc/partitions |
| 13:31.07 | cook | wols & asg i startet a netboot image with debian and chosed execuite a shell |
| 13:31.11 | cook | so thats the little ash shell |
| 13:31.35 | wols | cook: I asked you to do something |
| 13:31.45 | cook | i did |
| 13:31.48 | cook | nothing |
| 13:31.52 | wols | and what does it say? |
| 13:31.59 | cook | nothing |
| 13:32.02 | cook | only next line in shell |
| 13:32.06 | wols | if htere is nothing then you don't run debian and you are wrong here. QED |
| 13:32.25 | cook | want to have a screen as proof? |
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| 13:32.32 | wols | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:32.52 | wols | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:32.57 | mbroeker | brb |
| 13:33.08 | cook | cd /proc/partitions |
| 13:33.19 | wols | I didn't say Anything about cd |
| 13:33.19 | cook | cd: 2: can't cd to /proc/partitions |
| 13:33.26 | cook | i only want to see if its there |
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| 13:33.47 | wols | it's not directory so you don't see anything. lie more convincingly next time |
| 13:33.49 | asg | cook: you can't cd to it, it's a file |
| 13:33.56 | cook | yes i saw |
| 13:34.00 | cook | but if i want to open it |
| 13:34.01 | cook | with nano |
| 13:34.06 | cook | there is nothing in it |
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| 13:34.40 | dbmoodb | ah cook cd /proc |
| 13:34.46 | wols | cook: what harddisk controller does this windows disk you want to mount use? |
| 13:34.48 | dbmoodb | but you really shouldn't be doing that |
| 13:35.03 | cook | harddisk controller?! |
| 13:35.12 | dbmoodb | your meant to cat or ls / other stuff from the directory above (largely in the case of home folders) for security reasons |
| 13:35.19 | wols | cook: and no one said anything about nano eithe. either you do what you#re asked or you can solve your own problems |
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| 13:35.53 | wols | yes harddisk controller or whatever you use to access the windows disk |
| 13:35.53 | ramiro2 | just a bash question: |
| 13:35.57 | cook | the drive is a normal ide drive |
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| 13:36.15 | wols | cook: answer the damn question. don't make shit up no one asked you about |
| 13:36.27 | dbmoodb | lol |
| 13:36.33 | ramiro2 | is there an "Is Number?" function, or a way to know if a $value is a number? |
| 13:36.44 | wols | ramiro2: #bash |
| 13:36.51 | ramiro2 | yes, bash |
| 13:36.53 | dbmoodb | ooo pretty |
| 13:37.22 | ramiro2 | if [ $down -gt 0 ]; then ......... |
| 13:37.23 | cook | wols the problem is i dont know which controller it is |
| 13:37.24 | dbmoodb | use cal lol |
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| 13:37.32 | ramiro2 | [: too many arguments .... If is not a number :( |
| 13:37.40 | dbmoodb | cook ssh listen to wols |
| 13:37.50 | dbmoodb | cat /proc/partitions right ? |
| 13:38.00 | cook | i did this command |
| 13:38.10 | dbmoodb | and... |
| 13:38.12 | Miek | he already did that and said it outputted nothing, read above |
| 13:38.18 | dbmoodb | oh i thought he didn't |
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| 13:38.28 | wols | cook: what controllers do you have? |
| 13:38.29 | dbmoodb | i assumed he never really did it |
| 13:38.32 | fireba11 | Miek : taht should not be possible though |
| 13:38.40 | cook | wols i dont know |
| 13:38.45 | cook | and i cant look |
| 13:38.47 | wols | then find out |
| 13:38.52 | dbmoodb | -- agrees with fire |
| 13:38.54 | cook | because its not a really computer its only a pentop |
| 13:38.57 | cook | i cant open |
| 13:39.00 | dbmoodb | oh |
| 13:39.09 | wols | don't you have a manual for your hardware? did you steal your hardware? |
| 13:39.12 | dbmoodb | so it's using flash or just running out of ram ? |
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| 13:39.38 | cook | no its from the ah damn i dont know the word |
| 13:39.40 | cook | my father brought it |
| 13:39.46 | dbmoodb | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fly_pentop_computer oh that is so cool |
| 13:39.56 | cook | because these things are the old ones from his factory or i dont know how to say |
| 13:40.02 | cook | we bought it for 50@ |
| 13:40.05 | cook | 50€ |
| 13:40.12 | wols | cook: if nothing is in /proc/partitions you can't mount anything anyways |
| 13:40.22 | wols | cause mount won't know what partitions are actually there |
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| 13:40.26 | dbmoodb | dmesg ? |
| 13:40.29 | cook | hm i only want to have a little backup of my datas and then install linux there |
| 13:40.43 | cook | so i thought boot linux over netboot and backup |
| 13:40.45 | cook | then install linux |
| 13:40.50 | cook | and no shell really worked |
| 13:41.09 | dbmoodb | have you looked up if this has been done or - what actually happens ? |
| 13:41.23 | cook | what done?! |
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| 13:41.50 | dbmoodb | running linux from a pentop - i assume it has - if not good luck |
| 13:42.08 | cook | it should work |
| 13:42.14 | dbmoodb | cough cough should |
| 13:42.20 | dbmoodb | ~should |
| 13:42.20 | apt | extra, extra, read all about it, should is a word to use in moderation, unless of course it involves something that you either paid someone else to do, or are willing to do yourself. |
| 13:42.21 | cook | this thing is like a laptop |
| 13:42.23 | cook | and if not |
| 13:42.29 | cook | no problem |
| 13:42.34 | cook | ^^ |
| 13:42.36 | dbmoodb | lol |
| 13:42.38 | dbmoodb | k |
| 13:42.40 | cook | i only want to have the files on backup |
| 13:42.43 | cook | because windows is broken |
| 13:42.45 | cook | so i cant start |
| 13:42.52 | dbmoodb | oh ... so your in debian ? |
| 13:42.58 | wols | cook: before you try installing linux check first if the hardware even supports liinux |
| 13:42.59 | dbmoodb | you are* |
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| 13:43.06 | cook | my big pc is running on debian |
| 13:43.11 | cook | but the pentops i got are installed windows |
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| 13:43.15 | fireba11 | dbmoodb : i'm starting to wonder how he did actually boot debian with an empty /proc7partitions .. |
| 13:43.23 | cook | wols the graphic card and the processor are ok |
| 13:43.26 | dbmoodb | nar that is a different box fire |
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| 13:43.27 | cook | mainboard i didn't found |
| 13:43.43 | dbmoodb | i think he is talking about using the pentop to boot linux up ? |
| 13:43.59 | cook | yes i want to use the pentop to use linux |
| 13:44.03 | cook | but not install |
| 13:44.06 | cook | only like a live cd over netboot |
| 13:44.10 | cook | and this didn't work |
| 13:44.11 | cook | .. |
| 13:44.21 | dbmoodb | i don't get why you want to use netboot |
| 13:44.31 | dbmoodb | wait oh you want to use it |
| 13:44.44 | dbmoodb | oh ok - .... can't you just use your mobo's bios settings to do that ? |
| 13:45.15 | cook | i bootet from network |
| 13:45.16 | wols | cook: netinst is a debian installer CD. not for actually running debian |
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| 13:45.17 | cook | that worked |
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| 13:45.26 | cook | but i didn't get a really shell |
| 13:45.39 | cook | wols can you tell me a cd i can use for a "live system" |
| 13:45.47 | wols | !livecd |
| 13:45.47 | dpkg | from memory, livecd is an operating system that can boot and run directly from CD. Linux-based examples are Knoppix and Ubuntu. Useful as a rescue cd or for showing off to your geek friends. Debian may one day have its own LiveCD http://alioth.debian.org/projects/debian-live/ or http://live.debian.net/ or #debian-live on oftc |
| 13:46.18 | SQLDb | cook: I don't know if this is exactly what your looking for, but, it might help: http://wiki.debian.org/DebianLive/Howto/Network_Image_Server |
| 13:46.41 | cook | yeah i need a live cd which i can boot over network |
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| 13:46.47 | cook | because the pentop does not have a cd drive |
| 13:47.14 | cook | SQLDb, i think thats the right |
| 13:47.21 | cook | if i understand because my english is very bad |
| 13:47.33 | cook | thanks |
| 13:48.15 | SQLDb | Yeah, I've done it before, a very very long time ago... It's possible, but, I forget how... This should help, too http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/478 |
| 13:48.41 | SQLDb | anytime :) |
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| 13:52.31 | Nyle | good fucking morning |
| 13:52.41 | minus198 | How do I change the standard Icon for a program? Cause Iceweasel still has that ugly icon eventhough I changed it in the menus.. |
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| 13:53.04 | dbmoodb | lol |
| 13:53.08 | dbmoodb | ? |
| 13:53.18 | dbmoodb | ugly - ok you go to ubuntu and use firefox's then |
| 13:53.33 | minus198 | Iceweasel == firefox... |
| 13:53.40 | minus198 | but I prefer Firefoxicon.. |
| 13:53.40 | dbmoodb | ssh |
| 13:53.41 | Nyle | icieweasel icon == pretty |
| 13:53.45 | dbmoodb | i ? |
| 13:53.46 | Nyle | I liked the green icewasel icon |
| 13:53.49 | dbmoodb | oh |
| 13:53.52 | Nyle | I don't like the new blue one |
| 13:53.55 | Nyle | it sucks balls |
| 13:53.58 | dbmoodb | i like it |
| 13:54.00 | Nyle | i don't |
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| 13:54.08 | dbmoodb | they are better than the firefox one tho |
| 13:54.08 | Nyle | well its not tha ti don't like it |
| 13:54.10 | Nyle | i just prefer green |
| 13:54.11 | Nyle | :) |
| 13:54.14 | dbmoodb | k |
| 13:54.25 | hark | !dbugs 404915 |
| 13:54.25 | dbmoodb | once you go weasel you can never go back |
| 13:54.28 | dpkg | DONE:#404915:W[iceweasel] iceweasel: Icon resembles booger; Fri, 29 Dec 2006 05:03:12 UTC |
| 13:54.35 | dbmoodb | oh ssh hark |
| 13:54.53 | dbmoodb | !booger |
| 13:54.53 | dpkg | i heard booger is a delicacy in France |
| 13:55.07 | dbmoodb | .... |
| 13:55.12 | dbmoodb | !french |
| 13:55.12 | dpkg | Vous pouvez obtenir de l'aide sur Debian sur le canal #debian-fr - For help in french, please join #debian-fr |
| 13:55.18 | Nyle | !botabuse |
| 13:55.18 | dpkg | lay off me you buggerererers!!11! |
| 13:55.25 | dbmoodb | great .... can we get some fixes |
| 13:55.36 | dbmoodb | i don't think booger should go straight to the french |
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| 13:57.11 | Rapp | which package contains the bittmapped font *-helvetica-*-12-*? |
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| 14:00.12 | Rapp | got it... xfonts-75dpi |
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| 14:07.38 | n-iCe | How do I open a .c file ? |
| 14:07.40 | n-iCe | or what to do |
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| 14:08.00 | asg | n-iCe: it's just text, use a text editor (like nano or vi) |
| 14:08.22 | n-iCe | asg oh ok let me see |
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| 14:09.33 | JaminCollins | can anyone point me to a reference that dicusses why some hard drive partitions appear on the gnome desktop but others don't? specifically, I've several partitions on the drive (/, /boot, /home, /var/log) and only the /var/log partition shows an icon on the desktop. Ideally, no hard disk partitions should be shown. |
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| 14:16.35 | PiousMinion | Is there any mechanism, GUI or otherwise, that would automatically notify me of updates to the repo? |
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| 14:16.48 | dbmoodb | ..... yeah it is built in now no lol |
| 14:16.55 | JaminCollins | update-manager handles that |
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| 14:17.41 | bonkers-matt | can someone help with the syntax of the modprobe command? i want to add these parameters "io 0x300, irq 3" to it but not sure how. read the man page but still confuse |
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| 14:18.10 | JaminCollins | just put them at the end of the command with an = between the param and value |
| 14:18.27 | JaminCollins | modprobe $mod io=0x300 irq=3 |
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| 14:19.01 | PiousMinion | JaminCollins: I can run it as a regular app and close it, but I can't figure out how to add it to the panel. |
| 14:19.39 | azeem | PiousMinion: it's not a panel applet |
| 14:19.48 | azeem | it's update-notifier what you're looking for |
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| 14:19.52 | bonkers-matt | JaminCollins, thanks |
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| 14:20.00 | azeem | and it'll pop up in the notification area if plugins are available |
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| 14:20.20 | lantius | hello, is there ntfs-3g in debian stable repositories |
| 14:20.22 | lantius | ? |
| 14:20.36 | Nyle | !info ntfs-3g etch |
| 14:20.52 | themill | !ntfs-3g |
| 14:20.52 | dpkg | i heard ntfs-3g is a user-space NTFS driver with write support and good performance. http://www.ntfs-3g.org/. Available in Lenny, but not for Etch except as a backport: see the package page at http://packages.debian.org/etch-backports/ntfs-3g, backport instructions at http://www.backports.org/. |
| 14:21.23 | marc7 | hey, is there any way I don't have to install exim in etch with something like equivs? |
| 14:21.24 | lantius | ok |
| 14:21.29 | PiousMinion | azeem: Any idea what it is I'm seeing in my ubuntu install that notifies me vie applet and brings up the update manager? |
| 14:21.31 | lantius | !info ntfs-3g etch |
| 14:21.45 | azeem | PiousMinion: read what I just said |
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| 14:22.00 | Nyle | PiousMinion: its not an applet, its a friggin systray icon |
| 14:22.12 | lantius | !ntfs-3 |
| 14:22.14 | lantius | !ntfs-3g |
| 14:22.14 | dpkg | ntfs-3g is, like, a user-space NTFS driver with write support and good performance. http://www.ntfs-3g.org/. Available in Lenny, but not for Etch except as a backport: see the package page at http://packages.debian.org/etch-backports/ntfs-3g, backport instructions at http://www.backports.org/. |
| 14:22.20 | Nyle | !dpkgbot |
| 14:22.21 | dpkg | well, dpkgbot is Please visit http://wiki.debian.org/IRC/DpkgBot to learn how to effectively search the factoids database for FAQ, and not flood in the channel with !tell <who> about <what>. Also see <msg the bot>. We ask that you learn to search for yourself first, unless it is a specific problem. Many questions are asked repeatedly, and the factoid database can be of great help to you. |
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| 14:22.26 | icewaterman | hi, i have a problem with limits.conf. if it is empty then there are no restrictions for any users (even restricted users) why is that? |
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| 14:22.59 | fireba11 | hm .. uptime: 567 days :-D |
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| 14:23.01 | cook | SQLDb, can i qry you? |
| 14:23.17 | themill | fireba11: so that means you have a vulnerable kernel....? |
| 14:23.20 | yetifoot | hi, i just found out my intel cpu supports 'ht' flag which i assume is hyperthreading, can i just install an smp kernel and it will work? i am on etch |
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| 14:24.08 | PiousMinion | azzem: ok, not applet. It's a system tray icon, but wouldn't it need to be running to show something. I can run the app and close it and it doesn't stay runnign for anything to be shown in the system tray. ideas? |
| 14:24.09 | asg | yetifoot: it should. |
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| 14:24.18 | yetifoot | asg thanks, i'll give that a try |
| 14:24.20 | Nyle | yetifoot: its already smp enabled (kernel I mean) |
| 14:24.22 | Christoph_vW | yetifoot: yes |
| 14:24.28 | fireba11 | themill : hehe .. nope, that's my monitoring box but it already was installed with etch, and since it's a 386-kernel there haven't been any updates .. sounds suspicious though now you mention it +checking* |
| 14:24.30 | asg | yetifoot: do some testing to verify that you get any benefit though. I've seen HT deliver terrible performance on some systems. |
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| 14:25.19 | PiousMinion | azeem: ^^ I spelled your name wrong. |
| 14:26.08 | azeem | PiousMinion: did you yet read what I wrote above? |
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| 14:27.02 | yetifoot | Nyle, ah, yeah, i see that if i try and install smp-kernel, that is just a transition to the kernel i already have, do you know how i can turn it on/off to test if ht is good for me? |
| 14:27.09 | PiousMinion | azeem: Sorry, I missed that one line. thanks |
| 14:28.02 | azeem | cheers |
| 14:28.20 | Nyle | <PROTECTED> |
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| 14:28.22 | Nyle | er.. |
| 14:28.23 | Nyle | already o |
| 14:28.26 | Nyle | on, fuck |
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| 14:29.08 | yetifoot | Nyle, but when i look at /proc/cpuinfo, it only has CPU 0, should it show a CPU 1, or antything? |
| 14:29.49 | yetifoot | Nyle, i am reading i may need ht=on in my grub |
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| 14:29.55 | Nyle | hm |
| 14:29.58 | Nyle | dunno |
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| 14:30.05 | yetifoot | Nyle, ok, thanks anyway |
| 14:30.07 | Nyle | i have never owned a virtual dual core |
| 14:30.14 | Nyle | i don't know much about anything really |
| 14:30.14 | Nyle | sorry |
| 14:30.59 | the_sniff | how do i check a hardware raid controllers health? |
| 14:31.18 | yetifoot | Nyle, haha, no probs, me neither :P |
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| 14:31.59 | logd | does exists a virus that destroys .exe in linux ? |
| 14:32.11 | the_sniff | huh |
| 14:32.13 | Nyle | maybe |
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| 14:32.15 | the_sniff | a .exe in linux? |
| 14:32.22 | cast | i would say, no - not in the wild. |
| 14:32.23 | logd | no i mean a virus |
| 14:32.26 | Nyle | but I've never heard of it in 14 years |
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| 14:32.32 | the_sniff | hrm, now i see where all the ms hatered comes from :P |
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| 14:32.54 | Nyle | anything is a possibility |
| 14:32.58 | logd | i've done a collection of windows tools and stored in a folder under my linux bo x to ensure virus won't damage |
| 14:33.15 | logd | instead i now find all .exe inside wiped to few bytes |
| 14:33.33 | Nyle | you should stop using windows |
| 14:33.39 | logd | and i've to re-download all again :( |
| 14:33.41 | asg | logd: if they aren't edited or need write access, burn the tools folder to a cd-rom. Nothing can affect them then. |
| 14:33.49 | the_sniff | Nyle: heh |
| 14:33.50 | Nyle | asg: wrong |
| 14:33.54 | Nyle | asg: I can |
| 14:33.56 | asg | Nyle: well, hammers can |
| 14:33.57 | Nyle | with my jedi mind powers |
| 14:33.59 | logd | yeah but the collection was ready-to burn... |
| 14:34.12 | logd | but it went out before i could |
| 14:34.24 | logd | now i just guess is there a virius for linux? |
| 14:34.26 | Nyle | asg: microwave |
| 14:34.33 | the_sniff | why didn't you just burn it on first place |
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| 14:34.46 | Nyle | logd: the probability that you are infected with a linux virus is remote\ |
| 14:34.52 | logd | because it was incomplete |
| 14:34.58 | logd | there's a way to check' |
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| 14:35.06 | grml | hi |
| 14:35.08 | Nyle | I am so getting irritated with this guy |
| 14:35.09 | Nyle | is it just me? |
| 14:35.11 | Nyle | maybe |
| 14:35.28 | grml | it is pretty hard to have the proprietary nvidia driver working :( |
| 14:35.35 | Nyle | did you get it working? |
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| 14:35.48 | grml | I have (II) LoadModule: "nvidia" |
| 14:35.48 | grml | (WW) Warning, couldn't open module nvidia |
| 14:35.48 | grml | (II) UnloadModule: "nvidia" |
| 14:36.04 | Nyle | but does it work? |
| 14:36.10 | logd | perhaps it was 3gb of data and i've to download all once more how can i be safe it won't replay' |
| 14:36.12 | tinou | hello, recently on wired's forum, a debian packager wanted the .so to have sonames... I've quickly added a -Wl,-soname=lib...so to the LDFLAGS in Makefile.am. Is there a better (cleaner) way ? |
| 14:36.12 | grml | but i have it in /lib/modules/2.6.22-3-486/kernel/drivers/video/nvidia.ko |
| 14:36.31 | the_sniff | grml use windows :s |
| 14:36.32 | cast | are you using grml :| |
| 14:36.34 | grml | so what's wrong ? |
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| 14:36.45 | grml | yes i do |
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| 14:36.58 | cast | this would be debian, not #grml |
| 14:37.10 | grml | same thing |
| 14:37.18 | Nyle | grml: cast is being a tool |
| 14:37.35 | Nyle | grml: how are you installing the nvidia modules |
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| 14:37.50 | asg | logd: if it's too much to burn, use tripwire or md5 to generate hashes of all files and compare them to verify they are untouched. |
| 14:37.54 | Nyle | grml: did you use the nvidia binary driver form nvidia.com? |
| 14:37.57 | Nyle | from* |
| 14:38.02 | grml | aptitude install nvidia-kernel-legacy-96xx-source |
| 14:38.03 | asg | logd: the stored hashes could be burned to cd |
| 14:38.17 | grml | then make module and make install in .c directory |
| 14:38.18 | logd | <asg>it's obious they were modified collection weighted 3.0gb |
| 14:38.27 | Nyle | grml: eh |
| 14:38.27 | logd | now weiths 60mb |
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| 14:38.33 | Nyle | !nvidia |
| 14:38.33 | dpkg | To use an NVIDIA graphics card with Debian, see http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers. If you've done it before, ask me about <nvidia one-liner> for a reminder. |
| 14:38.48 | grml | !nvidia one-liner |
| 14:38.48 | dpkg | i heard nvidia one-liner is apt-get install nvidia-kernel-2.6-`uname -r | sed 's,.*-,,g'` nvidia-settings nvidia-glx && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg (if you're on amd64, also install nvidia-glx-ia32. Using sarge? Ask me about <nvidia_sarge>. Homegrown or kernel from testing/sid: <nvidia_post_etch>. If you're using a Geforce2 or older: <nvidia_legacy>. |
| 14:39.12 | logd | i would think to storage issues |
| 14:39.17 | logd | but ONLY .EXE |
| 14:39.21 | logd | were affected |
| 14:39.29 | logd | all .ra and zip are untouched |
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| 14:39.59 | logd | i guess removing wine may help |
| 14:40.06 | Nyle | logd: why don't you say that about 10 times more and then don't say it again |
| 14:40.17 | tinou | anyone knows how to extract a soname from a .so ? |
| 14:40.29 | Nyle | thats the 3rd time at least you've repeated yourself |
| 14:40.39 | logd | i'm just trying to understand |
| 14:40.40 | amee2k | Q: how can i set up a system that is as resilient as possible to sudden power failure? |
| 14:41.16 | abrotman | amee2k: which kind of power failure? |
| 14:41.36 | Nyle | logd: and I'm trying to tell you, you're either smoking crack ( :D ) hehe or you are mistaken. You need to boot with some sort of a livecd with an antivirus on it or boot the system and run an antivirus scan |
| 14:41.38 | asg | amee2k: mount as much as you can read-only or using ramdisks. For r/w filesystems, use journaling and/or sync writes. Or buy a UPS |
| 14:41.40 | Nyle | whats the discussion here? |
| 14:41.40 | amee2k | mains failure, pull-the-plug-style |
| 14:41.44 | ronr | amee2k: buy a USP |
| 14:41.55 | JaminCollins | can anyone point me to a reference that dicusses why some hard drive partitions appear on the gnome desktop but others don't? specifically, I've several partitions on the drive (/, /boot, /home, /var/log) and only the /var/log partition shows an icon on the desktop. Ideally, no hard disk partitions should be shown. I've searched around but am not having any luck thus far... |
| 14:41.56 | abrotman | amee2k: you can have more than one PSU in a system .. |
| 14:41.58 | yetifoot | hmm, reading more it seems ht is not enabled by default because of a vuln that allows a thread to read stuff from another thread, or something like that |
| 14:42.00 | cast | !based on debian |
| 14:42.01 | dpkg | Your distribution may be based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it unlikely lives up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. If your distribution has an IRC channel, you can use it instead. Even if your distribution has fewer people in its IRC channel, or doesn't have one, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. |
| 14:42.08 | amee2k | USP is not an option. already considerd that. |
| 14:42.11 | ronr | amee2k: and place a lock so not everybody can pull the plugg |
| 14:42.18 | abrotman | amee2k: but all your FS should be journaled at least |
| 14:42.26 | cast | if we tell ubuntu and knoppix users to get lost, then its only fair to tell grml users to get lost |
| 14:42.31 | amee2k | okay |
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| 14:42.36 | the_sniff | My Current Lag Is: 350.266 |
| 14:42.41 | logd | <Nyle>since i'd be thinking linux wouldn't be affected by virus i'm just asking wheter i'm wrong or not |
| 14:43.00 | amee2k | which directories in / should usually be on a rw filesystem? |
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| 14:43.13 | abrotman | the ones you want to change |
| 14:43.37 | amee2k | well, obviously. i'm thinking /tmp on a ramdisk, /var as rw, what else? |
| 14:43.56 | PiousMinion | cast: I don't recall grml(the nickname) stating that his question pertained to grml(the distro). I could be wrong of course. |
| 14:44.00 | JaminCollins | logd: any system can be affected by a virus, all it takes is getting it executed with the right permissions... that is simply harder on Linux and there are fewer individuals writing and distributing virus applications for the platform |
| 14:44.30 | abrotman | amee2k: any time you install a package in debian .. large parts of the system need to be r/w |
| 14:44.48 | JaminCollins | amee2k: if you want good examples of resilient systems take a look at how OpenWRT handled it with two file systems, one read-only and one writable. |
| 14:44.56 | cast | PiousMinion: default irc nick in grml is 'grml, furthermore he said he did, then went on to say it was the same thing |
| 14:45.10 | amee2k | i'd remount the root partition and others -o rw during the update and revert to read-only and call sync once the update is done |
| 14:45.11 | cast | [same thing as debian] |
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| 14:45.19 | FreakerJim | Anyone here use or have tried sidux? |
| 14:45.54 | amee2k | hm... lemme have a look JaminCollins |
| 14:46.09 | Nyle | any system is like you know any system |
| 14:46.20 | Nyle | self replicating code has been around since the late 60s |
| 14:46.26 | PiousMinion | cast: Hence why I said "I could be wrong" to cover my ass. heh |
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| 14:47.19 | rafuch0 | http://prohibidofijarcarteles.blogspot.com/2006/11/pivote.html |
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| 14:49.21 | the_sniff | whats a .ra |
| 14:49.24 | cast | yeah, pretty certain he wasn't using debian. |
| 14:49.30 | heatman | Hello. Could anyone tell me if mkdosfs is able to format an entire drive and, compared to windows xp (i think) can it format beyong the 40G threshold? |
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| 14:49.39 | lambda | !nvidia |
| 14:49.39 | dpkg | To use an NVIDIA graphics card with Debian, see http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers. If you've done it before, ask me about <nvidia one-liner> for a reminder. |
| 14:51.26 | lambda | it should work with lenny ? |
| 14:51.35 | yetifoot | the_sniff, could it be something like realaudio? |
| 14:52.45 | yetifoot | so does anyone know how dangerous this hyperthreading vuln is? i am a home desktop user, just me using this machine, so i wonder how dangerous it can be for me |
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| 14:54.10 | yetifoot | well i guess it could be dangerous for me, they say an unprivilidged thread can sniff a privilidged one or something, so maybe someone could escalate that way if they got in |
| 14:54.36 | cast | since linux local roots are not uncommon, i wouldn't worry about it too much |
| 14:55.04 | yetifoot | cast, i'm not sure what you mean, do you mean that there are so many ways to get root anyway it doesn't matter? |
| 14:55.29 | cast | not quite, but if you have a malicious process running on your desktop you're in a bad place |
| 14:55.38 | yetifoot | yeah |
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| 15:00.48 | abrotman | heatman: FAT32 doesn't ahve a 40GB partition size limit |
| 15:01.39 | wols | abrotman: under XP. the format utility for it does |
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| 15:02.05 | ^Timo^ | themill : dude you there? |
| 15:02.46 | ^Timo^ | anyone knows what to do best on this option : *** login.defs (Y/I/N/O/D/Z) [standaard=N] ? |
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| 15:02.55 | ^Timo^ | standaard : standard |
| 15:02.56 | heatman | abrotman: i know it has a 8TB per partition |
| 15:03.01 | themill | ^Timo^: yeah.... this data isn't getting any better by staring at it at present... ;( |
| 15:03.17 | themill | ^Timo^: Is this a file that you've edited yourself? |
| 15:03.23 | ^Timo^ | no |
| 15:03.42 | ^Timo^ | my debian server asked for this option |
| 15:03.51 | ^Timo^ | on dist-upgrade you sayd to me |
| 15:03.52 | ^Timo^ | ;p |
| 15:04.10 | ^Timo^ | the distro is on dutch language installed |
| 15:04.24 | ^Timo^ | let me try to translate what there is displayed |
| 15:04.25 | abrotman | wols: yeah .. but fat32 doesn't |
| 15:04.36 | themill | ^Timo^: that;s fine.. I know what the prompt is. |
| 15:04.46 | abrotman | heatman: i believe the linux mkfs.vfat has the full limit |
| 15:04.58 | themill | ^Timo^: You can select "D" to see the differences between what is going to be installed and what you currently have. |
| 15:05.07 | heatman | abrotman: ok ill check man pages for tht |
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| 15:05.50 | themill | ^Timo^: Or you can it either Y or I to accept the new version. |
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| 15:07.26 | PiousMinion | Wow, I'm getting a whopping speed of 22KB/sec from the debian live project. :P |
| 15:08.06 | abrotman | provide a faster mirror! |
| 15:08.30 | amee2k | why doesn't debian use version numbers but weird names to refer to versions? |
| 15:09.05 | PiousMinion | abrotman: I was hoping for bittorrent. I'll seed it if the project will. :) |
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| 15:09.41 | PiousMinion | amee2k: you mean versions of distros? |
| 15:09.43 | ^Timo^ | got it themill |
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| 15:09.59 | ^Timo^ | themill : http://pastebin.ca/805634 |
| 15:10.07 | amee2k | like "debian etch" or "debian sarge" |
| 15:10.25 | ^Timo^ | okay |
| 15:10.35 | PiousMinion | amee2k: There are version numbers. etch is 4.0r1 I think. |
| 15:10.42 | amee2k | lol |
| 15:10.57 | PiousMinion | amee2k: lol? |
| 15:10.58 | amee2k | then why not use the version number instead of "debian hubabuba"? |
| 15:11.10 | chops | amee2k: You can use either you like. |
| 15:11.14 | wols | amee2k: debian does use version numbers |
| 15:11.31 | PiousMinion | amee2k: idk. I think it's more fun and easier to remember to give it a name. |
| 15:11.33 | ^Timo^ | themill : what should you do ? |
| 15:11.48 | ^Timo^ | i don't know exactly what this is about |
| 15:11.54 | PiousMinion | amee2k: Don't most distos have names? |
| 15:11.55 | amee2k | for some strange reason the version names seem to be more popular than numbers, at least in the docs |
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| 15:12.26 | wols | amee2k: same for other OSes. "Vista" "Leopard", etc |
| 15:12.27 | themill | !tell amee2k about releases |
| 15:12.49 | jelly-home | even Gutsy Gibbon |
| 15:12.50 | wols | amee2k: have you ever heard about windows 6.0? |
| 15:12.56 | amee2k | no idea if other distros have nicknames but with debian i more and more feel like the name is becoming the primary version identification |
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| 15:13.20 | chops | amee2k: I don't find that strange. Using names forms a stronger link in the mind than numbers do. The numbers are sort of arbitrary anyway. |
| 15:13.22 | themill | amee2k: what's wrong with that? the numbers are completely arbitrary anyway. |
| 15:13.26 | amphi | amee2k: only stable releases have version numbers; testing and unstable don't |
| 15:13.49 | asBook | Vista isnt an OS |
| 15:13.54 | asBook | vista is a big big bug :P |
| 15:14.04 | themill | amee2k: there was a lot of surprise when sarge came out with 3.1 as a lot of people had expected it to be 4.0 since it had been so long in coming out and was such a big change from woody (which was 3.0). |
| 15:14.13 | amee2k | chops: well, the names are just as arbitrary. with numbers at least chances are know which is newer without looking it up |
| 15:14.27 | chops | amee2k: I know which is newer already :-) |
| 15:14.35 | themill | ^Timo^: if you know you didn't change the file then say Y or I to install the new version. If you're unsure then use D to see the differences. |
| 15:15.29 | amee2k | themill: i'm not saying using names is generally evil. i'm just saying if so many people did it with numbers, there oughta be a reason why debian doesn't want to too |
| 15:15.43 | stew | amee2k: debian does assign numbers to releases |
| 15:15.45 | chops | amee2k: We do use numbers. |
| 15:16.01 | amee2k | well, there are. just no one seems to use them. |
| 15:16.11 | chops | amee2k: I'm not sure what you're after here. Do you want the Debian Police to make people stop liking the release names and using them? |
| 15:17.33 | amee2k | hm... if you put it that way, i'm after nothing. i just would like to know why debian seems to favour version names over numbers |
| 15:17.42 | stew | amee2k: its just that debian has some things which aren't released and therefore it doesn't make sense to assign numbers to them. what version should unstable get? what about experimental? for those, assigning a number is not ever going to be appropriate |
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| 15:18.17 | ks | ssh isn't installed by default in D4 ? |
| 15:18.37 | PiousMinion | ks: What's a "D4" ? |
| 15:18.38 | stew | ks: it is not. |
| 15:18.47 | ks | Debian 4 |
| 15:18.53 | amee2k | assigning versions to a distro is generally inappropriate as a 'rolling release' scheme is imo the most appropriate anyway |
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| 15:19.28 | azeem | amee2k: discussing this in here is pretty pointless |
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| 15:19.34 | amee2k | agreed. |
| 15:19.41 | asBook | whats debian 4? :P |
| 15:19.43 | asBook | sorry >) |
| 15:19.56 | amee2k | ks: ubuntu doesn't install a tool chain. open the window, shout "f*** you", close window, install ssh/gcc/whatever |
| 15:20.11 | abrotman | he asked about debian .. |
| 15:20.15 | ^Timo^ | No. |
| 15:20.21 | ^Timo^ | my hole screen gone red |
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| 15:20.34 | ^Timo^ | thats not the meaning i think |
| 15:20.36 | ^Timo^ | ;/ |
| 15:20.44 | amee2k | yeah |
| 15:21.04 | ^Timo^ | how to solve ? |
| 15:21.07 | ^Timo^ | must i reboot ? |
| 15:21.17 | ks | apt-get install shh worked for me |
| 15:21.19 | FreakerJim | asBook: Vista will be remembered as Windows ME - 2007 :P |
| 15:21.21 | amee2k | i sometimes wish distros wouldn't install anything but the kernel, package manager and deps. |
| 15:21.21 | ks | ssh |
| 15:21.42 | azeem | amee2k: man debootstrap |
| 15:21.45 | ^Timo^ | themill : my hole screen gone red :/ |
| 15:21.49 | FreakerJim | amee2k: sidux has smxi which does that, and is otherwise pretty much just deb sid |
| 15:21.53 | asBook | FreakerJim, ghehe |
| 15:21.56 | stew | amee2k: what does debian install as part of the base install that you wish it didn't ? |
| 15:21.58 | ^Timo^ | themill : thats not good i think ?? |
| 15:22.10 | amee2k | azeem: ... by default. |
| 15:22.15 | PiousMinion | amee2k: yeah, what stew said. |
| 15:22.22 | azeem | amee2k: what you wish is pretty irrelevant |
| 15:22.27 | heatman | abrotman: ive check the man page for mkfs.vfat, how do i specify the size of the partition? $mkfs.vfat -F 32 (would give me a FAT32 partition but how would i go and about to specify that i want it to use all available space on the drive... in other word 1TB). |
| 15:22.30 | azeem | Debian cares about the users as well, you know |
| 15:22.39 | amee2k | azeem: i know. doesn't mean i can't wish it. |
| 15:22.50 | abrotman | heatman: you do that with fdisk .. not mkfs |
| 15:22.55 | azeem | amee2k: I don't see how this is relevant here |
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| 15:23.03 | amee2k | um... it is? |
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| 15:23.07 | azeem | amee2k: for general ranting, you could maybe try #debian-offtopic |
| 15:23.31 | heatman | abrotman: my bad... actually there is a command -S (logical size) |
| 15:23.44 | amee2k | o.O |
| 15:23.50 | stew | amee2k: or if you wish to find a distribution that closer matches your wants, try ##linux |
| 15:24.12 | abrotman | heatman: afaik .. by default it will use the full size of the partition |
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| 15:25.12 | FreakerJim | Question for the deb gurus: Can anyone suggest a deb based distro that is noob friendly that *isnt* any of the buntus? :/ |
| 15:25.28 | heatman | abrotman: so to format: i would basically only need the following command: $mkfs.vfat -F 32 -n (drive name) |
| 15:25.53 | abrotman | -n ? |
| 15:26.16 | abrotman | FreakerJim: try ##linux |
| 15:26.17 | heatman | abrotman: -n volume-name |
| 15:26.17 | heatman | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:26.25 | first_nn_gx_cn | ...-_-# |
| 15:26.28 | abrotman | heatman: ah ok |
| 15:26.30 | heatman | abrotman: if i wanna specify name |
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| 15:26.47 | PiousMinion | FreakerJim: knoppix maybe, but it's a live cd. maybe "elive"? |
| 15:26.56 | FreakerJim | abrotman: I would think it would be more a debian question than a general question, but if you say so man |
| 15:27.01 | FastPutty | hi guys i got lots of message on my logs saying kernel: martian source 192.168.3.3 from 192.168.3.1, on dev eth0 |
| 15:27.01 | up365 | FreakerJim, have you been here http://distrowatch.com/ sure you can find more than 1 |
| 15:27.05 | FreakerJim | PiousMinion: ty |
| 15:27.09 | FastPutty | someone could tell me what is it and how to fix it |
| 15:27.12 | abrotman | FreakerJim: distros based on debian are OT here |
| 15:27.14 | FreakerJim | up365: I go there everty day |
| 15:27.40 | FreakerJim | abrotman: They are? That's odd, but ok. |
| 15:27.41 | heatman | FreakerJim: Knoppix can be installed on a pc after booting live CD |
| 15:27.57 | FreakerJim | heatman: ty |
| 15:28.13 | first_nn_gx_cn | i was first time |
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| 15:28.33 | heatman | lol |
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| 15:29.02 | beardy | Not odd in the least. |
| 15:29.04 | beardy | !next |
| 15:29.04 | dpkg | Another happy customer leaves the building |
| 15:29.28 | heatman | abrotman: so thats all thats required? just dont wanna mess up this drive |
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| 15:30.04 | FreakerJim | beady: actually it kinda is, but Im not going to argue with you :) |
| 15:30.11 | FreakerJim | err, beardy - him too |
| 15:30.11 | first_nn_gx_cn | my English was very bad,who can speak Chinese? |
| 15:30.13 | beardy | FreakerJim: Thank you. |
| 15:30.17 | abrotman | !cn |
| 15:30.17 | dpkg | i guess cn is China, or for help in chinese please /j #debian-zh, or for help in chinese please /j #debian-zh Please use UTF-8, for IRC help see http://tinyurl.com/8yrj9 | Qt/KDE è¿æ¸¡æå¼å§ï¼è¯¦æ请é读 |
| 15:30.31 | first_nn_gx_cn | yes |
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| 15:30.43 | first_nn_gx_cn | i come for china |
| 15:30.52 | first_nn_gx_cn | i come from china |
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| 15:32.19 | robboplus | does anyone know what -O means in gcc? |
| 15:32.24 | abrotman | man gcc |
| 15:32.35 | robboplus | abrotman i mean why isn't that in --help at all? |
| 15:32.54 | stew | robboplus: optomize |
| 15:33.02 | robboplus | stew hmm... |
| 15:33.24 | robboplus | in fact it's in man but really criptic there... |
| 15:33.43 | robboplus | i'm trying to find out which O is used by default |
| 15:33.46 | beardy | robboplus: Because only the most essential options are usually listed with --help. |
| 15:33.56 | stew | robboplus: its not at all cryptic there |
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| 15:35.50 | robboplus | and how should i go about changing the optimization method for a source that i'm about to compile? is that inside Makefile? |
| 15:36.25 | robboplus | CFLAGS right? |
| 15:36.34 | wols | robboplus: usually yes |
| 15:36.36 | stew | robboplus: generally, yes. |
| 15:36.45 | chops | robboplus: Generally, yes. There's often a variable in Makefiles which contains compiler flags. What are you compiling? |
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| 15:37.10 | tarzeau | robboplus: you want to play gnu robbo really fast? |
| 15:37.14 | robboplus | many thanks wols, stew and chops |
| 15:37.23 | robboplus | tarzeau yesyes :) |
| 15:38.04 | JYL57 | Hello debian world ! I'm facing a "Kernel panic" on my Sarge box and badly need help ! |
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| 15:38.58 | JYL57 | I went into trouble after a power failure and the resulting fsck repairs led me to this "Kernel panic"... |
| 15:39.03 | justus | Hello! Shouldn't vlc be availlable in testing? i've got "deb http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian/ lenny main contrib non-free" in my source.list, but I get this message when trying to install: Package vlc is not available, but is referred to by another package. |
| 15:39.13 | mesutt | hi,how to use a repository (universe) just for a package ? |
| 15:39.18 | mesutt | ie ignore it for all other packages |
| 15:39.38 | SlayerXP | mesutt: are you sure you're running debian? |
| 15:40.02 | mesutt | SlayerXP, does it only exists in ubuntu ? |
| 15:40.06 | azeem | yes |
| 15:40.09 | azeem | mesutt: please ask in #ubuntu |
| 15:40.09 | mesutt | :-\ |
| 15:40.13 | robboplus | chops i just thought that i should think of different optimization for AMD machine than the default one |
| 15:40.15 | mesutt | no,it is etch |
| 15:40.22 | chops | !why is vlc not in testing |
| 15:40.22 | azeem | mesutt: so what package? |
| 15:40.22 | dpkg | vlc is not in testing for the reasons listed in http://bjorn.haxx.se/debian/testing.pl?package=vlc |
| 15:40.24 | amphi | justus: http://bjorn.haxx.se/debian/testing.pl?package=vlc |
| 15:40.27 | mesutt | amavisd |
| 15:40.29 | amphi | heh |
| 15:40.38 | mesutt | azeem, amavisd |
| 15:40.39 | justus | chops: thank you! |
| 15:40.44 | azeem | mesutt: well, install it |
| 15:40.50 | azeem | it's in Debian |
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| 15:41.08 | mesutt | yeah i installed already |
| 15:41.29 | mesutt | just thought i may fetch newer versions |
| 15:41.48 | icewaterman | is anyone using pam_limits with etch? |
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| 15:42.01 | azeem | mesutt: check debian-volatile and/or backports.org |
| 15:42.09 | azeem | mesutt: do not install Ubuntu packages on Debian |
| 15:42.14 | mesutt | ok thanks |
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| 15:42.25 | mesutt | no i was not going to install ubuntu packages |
| 15:42.30 | mesutt | just remembered wrong |
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| 15:44.11 | JYL57 | I read on the web that from the boot CD I just have to type rescue to enter in rescue mode... But is it only with etch installer ? |
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| 15:44.30 | abrotman | !rescue |
| 15:44.30 | dpkg | i heard rescue is at http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/FAQ ("Can I use d-i as a rescue system?") See also <rescue mode>. |
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| 15:46.39 | icewaterman | there is a bug with pam_limits. when activated it actually disables all limits except for those configured in /etc/security/limits.conf |
| 15:47.15 | icewaterman | default behaviour should be to add limits configured in limits.conf rather than use ONLY the ones in limits.conf |
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| 15:47.33 | chops | icewaterman: Is that in the BTS? |
| 15:47.40 | icewaterman | chops: BTS? |
| 15:47.43 | chops | !bts |
| 15:47.43 | dpkg | [bts] the Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or http://bugs.debian.org/bugnumber apt-get install reportbug, and check out <querybts> too. Users of "sid" are required to check the BTS, useful for sid: apt-get install apt-listbugs, or apt-get install apt-listchanges |
| 15:47.48 | icewaterman | chops: ah bug tracking system? |
| 15:47.57 | chops | icewaterman: If there's not a bug about it, you should open one |
| 15:48.51 | JYL57 | abrotman : Do you advice to go for the more recent version of the installer or should I try it with my old Sarge CD ? |
| 15:48.57 | abrotman | for what? |
| 15:49.01 | abrotman | just use the etch if you can |
| 15:49.15 | ^Timo^ | themill : dude you there? |
| 15:49.22 | ^Timo^ | i have rebooted my system |
| 15:49.32 | ^Timo^ | i think there has been a change in the distro |
| 15:49.34 | ^Timo^ | :) |
| 15:49.39 | JYL57 | abrotman : For booting on my box, and finding a way to save my partition :-) |
| 15:49.52 | ^Timo^ | i thaugt lets check aptitude dist-upgrade again |
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| 15:50.01 | ^Timo^ | but it says it will update ? |
| 15:50.26 | Bi||aBong | how i can change de font size of the console? |
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| 15:50.30 | robboplus | i'm trying to dig up info about differences between -O2 and -O1 in gcc... anyone please? |
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| 15:50.44 | ^Timo^ | should that be nessesairy or what hmm hmm ? |
| 15:50.48 | abrotman | robboplus: #gcc |
| 15:50.57 | chops | robboplus: The man page describes the differences very precisely. |
| 15:51.01 | robboplus | abrotman thank you.. didn't really think about it |
| 15:51.01 | themill | ^Timo^: are you following the release notes on how to upgrade from Sarge to Etch? |
| 15:51.19 | robboplus | chops ok i will try the man again |
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| 15:51.37 | icewaterman | chops: doesnt seem like its in the system. |
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| 15:51.54 | ^Timo^ | following ?? |
| 15:51.56 | ^Timo^ | hmm ? |
| 15:52.02 | ^Timo^ | its just a release note right |
| 15:52.07 | ^Timo^ | not a howto how to upgrade ? |
| 15:52.25 | chops | ^Timo^: The release notes include upgrade instructions |
| 15:52.32 | ^Timo^ | ok |
| 15:52.33 | wols | no. it's a howto how to upgrade |
| 15:52.41 | dkr | !sarge->etch |
| 15:52.41 | dpkg | sarge->etch is read the etch release notes: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/releasenotes ; the recommended upgrade procedure for sarge->etch is no longer as simple as running "aptitude dist-upgrade", please follow the prodedure in the <release notes>. Also ask me about <security> |
| 15:52.45 | ^Timo^ | give me the release notes |
| 15:52.46 | ^Timo^ | thanks |
| 15:52.47 | ^Timo^ | :) |
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| 15:54.44 | themill | ^Timo^: [Tue Dec 4 2007] [12:43:16] <themill> ^Timo^: OK, then read the release notes carefully about how to upgrade from sarge->etch. |
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| 15:55.46 | ^Timo^ | kay |
| 15:55.49 | themill | ^Timo^: [Tue Dec 4 2007] [12:43:27] <themill> !tell ^Timo^ about sarge->etch |
| 15:56.02 | ^Timo^ | i have missed that i think ;( |
| 15:56.14 | themill | so it seems.... |
| 15:56.16 | ^Timo^ | i am reading the release notes right away |
| 15:56.19 | ^Timo^ | ps. |
| 15:56.21 | themill | good :) |
| 15:56.25 | ^Timo^ | i see vi has changed |
| 15:56.26 | ^Timo^ | ;/ |
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| 15:56.37 | ^Timo^ | i normaly uses vi |
| 15:57.06 | ^Timo^ | but i know from another server i am running that vi is working complete different |
| 15:57.21 | ^Timo^ | anyone can tell me the differene |
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| 15:57.25 | ^Timo^ | diffrence |
| 15:57.29 | themill | it becomes vim-tiny. If you want the full vim, then install vim-full. And invoke it as vim not vi and make sure you have a ~/.vimrc file |
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| 15:58.31 | amee2k | does the linux kernel in linux-source-* come with the same configuration file that was used to compile the stock kernel? |
| 15:59.04 | chops | amee2k: To get the configured headers, get the linux-headers package for the exact version that corresponds to your kernel image. |
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| 15:59.08 | ^Timo^ | ok. |
| 15:59.32 | chops | amee2k: Generally you want to deal with the linux-headers package instead of mucking with kernel source, unless you're doing something unusual. |
| 16:00.22 | ^Timo^ | themill : i have allready upgraded my distro but when i ask again for a'n upgrade he will simply upgrade again (new upgrade) or is it just the same upgrade ? |
| 16:00.42 | amee2k | i'm seemingly missing a module and want to check if the kernel has been compiled with the support options i need/want |
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| 16:01.14 | themill | ^Timo^: aptitude upgrade is safe to do; if there's nothing to do, it will simply do nothing. If there's packages to update, then it will do so. |
| 16:01.20 | amee2k | what package would i need for that? |
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| 16:01.28 | chops | amee2k: The config is in /boot/config-2.6.18-5-686 (or whatever) in the linux-image package |
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| 16:01.45 | chops | amee2k: You can also search in /lib/modules to see if the module is there |
| 16:01.45 | amee2k | hm... |
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| 16:02.00 | toor | re |
| 16:02.08 | chops | amee2k: What module? It's rather unlikely that the Debian image is really missing your module, though it's possible. |
| 16:02.20 | amee2k | i couldn't find it as a module, but afain modules linked into the kernel don't show up as modules on lsmod either |
| 16:02.33 | chops | amee2k: What module? |
| 16:02.46 | amee2k | support for DiskOnChip 2000 and MTDs |
| 16:02.47 | amphi | amee2k: you could grep the kernel config file in /boot |
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| 16:03.52 | icewaterman | chops: now there is a bug about it :) |
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| 16:04.12 | chops | icewaterman: Good stuff. |
| 16:05.11 | chops | amee2k: Hm, that might feasibly be excluded from the Debian images, though if you'd like it to be there (and you verify that it's not included in the config) it might be worth filing a bug about. The Debian images are supposed to support everybody's hardware as far as is feasible. |
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| 16:06.13 | amee2k | hm... |
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| 16:07.14 | amee2k | apparently something DOC related it is compiled as a module, but it doesn't detect the device... |
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| 16:08.04 | chops | amee2k: Might be a udev bug; I believe that udev is now supposed to be responsible for detecting hardware and loading the appropriate modules. |
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| 16:08.59 | chops | amee2k: Of course, if you try to load the appropriate module and it refuses to load, then it might be a kernel problem, or you might be trying to load the wrong module, or your hardware might be broken or not supported... |
| 16:09.04 | abrotman | or maybe it doesn't support that device |
| 16:09.04 | amee2k | hard to say from the CONFIG_* lines, but maybe something is missing. the kernel wasn't compiled with *all* MTD options enabled apparently |
| 16:09.15 | chops | amee2k: Hard to say without having a working kernel to compare to. |
| 16:09.28 | amee2k | the device certainly works because i can boot the firmware from it. |
| 16:09.53 | amee2k | how would i go about compiling a custom kernel based on the stock kernel's configuration? |
| 16:09.55 | abrotman | that doesn't mean the kernel you have supports that device |
| 16:10.18 | chops | !tell amee2k about kernel-package |
| 16:10.33 | asBook | whats wrong with compiling your own kernel? |
| 16:10.38 | chops | amee2k: Or get a stock kernel source, copy /boot/config-whatever to .config, make oldconfig, and make the kernel as normal |
| 16:11.15 | asg | asBook: people rarely do it right and then bitch at us when things don't work |
| 16:11.23 | chops | amee2k: If you do get a working kernel config, it's worth filing a bug against the kernel image describing your hardware, its failure to work, and including the kernel config you handrolled that did wind up working. |
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| 16:11.34 | asBook | asg, hmmm |
| 16:11.43 | amee2k | asBook: if possible i want to compile the required missing features as modules that would seamlessly load into the stock kernel |
| 16:12.06 | amee2k | chops: kay, i'll keep that in mind |
| 16:12.07 | chops | amee2k: kernel-package then |
| 16:12.33 | asBook | i only make/config my own kernels for any computer :) never use preinstalled |
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| 16:13.54 | amee2k | i try to use the stock kernels unless i have special hardware/performance/... requirements |
| 16:14.30 | asBook | hm okay :) i dont like them.. i dont want support for hardware in my kernel or as module i'll never use |
| 16:15.34 | dkr | oh yeah, I keep forgetting about this issue. I had a lightning strike several months ago that took out my router and the NIC on my pc (and xbox), so I installed a new NIC on my pc which works fine, but I have this lingering issue where debian when booting up spends about 10 minutes on 'detecting hardware' step |
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| 16:15.36 | amee2k | if they get too big, i can always delete unused module files from /lib/modules |
| 16:16.03 | asBook | yea i know, but why do it that way if u can compile/make/config your own kernel that is a lot easer (for me) |
| 16:16.20 | asBook | +y |
| 16:16.24 | abrotman | dkr: disable it in the bios? |
| 16:16.38 | amee2k | well, i switched away from gentoo because i wanted less compiling and more working |
| 16:16.57 | asBook | hehe yea okay :) but gentoo is compiling everything |
| 16:17.02 | asBook | i only compile my kernel |
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| 16:17.12 | chops | asBook: In 2001 that was true, but modern distro kernels should generally be able to handle whatever your hardware requirements are. If they don't, it's a bug in the kernel image and should be filed as such. Of course, there are obvious exceptions, YMMV, etc. |
| 16:17.28 | chops | asBook: Getting security updates for your kernel is also mighty handy |
| 16:17.29 | amee2k | the kernel was what usually took me the most time to compile :P |
| 16:17.36 | FastPutty | by default, does sysctl in debiant etch 4.0 has martian log at 1 ? |
| 16:17.46 | asBook | chops, well.. the most kernels does support older hardware i dont have and want.. so i dont want any support for it |
| 16:18.18 | dkr | abrotman: good idea. don't remember if I tried that. I think mayeb I did disable the nic in bios, but maybe a usb port was also affected by the strike. I'll try it out when I get home |
| 16:19.13 | abrotman | dkr: or just rip the IC off the mobo! |
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| 16:19.26 | JaminCollins | asBook: the support for that hardware is only in the form of some modules that take up space on a hard drive... drive space is cheap |
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| 16:20.25 | asBook | JaminCollins, yea but the differenz is.. i used for now 400 modules, default its more then 1200.. and i just done like it, :) but thats my thing |
| 16:20.26 | chops | asBook: Curse this modern software, always supporting things that people would rather have unsupported :-). |
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| 16:20.37 | asBook | :) |
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| 16:21.27 | amee2k | lol |
| 16:22.57 | GhostlyDeath | gparted constantly closes, would there be a reason why? |
| 16:23.05 | GhostlyDeath | no error messages appear, it just dies |
| 16:23.08 | JaminCollins | to each their own... I prefer the module approach... makes moving drives to a new system very easy |
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| 16:23.28 | JaminCollins | GhostlyDeath: tried starting it from a terminal? |
| 16:23.41 | GhostlyDeath | JaminCollins: yes, still nothing |
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| 16:24.13 | JaminCollins | not even the banner about libparted version? |
| 16:24.27 | GhostlyDeath | JaminCollins: I get a banner |
| 16:24.34 | GhostlyDeath | libparted: 1.7.1 |
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| 16:25.29 | JaminCollins | you could try running it inside strace to see what it's trying to do when it dies: strace gparted |
| 16:25.38 | JaminCollins | you may need to install strace first though |
| 16:26.01 | GhostlyDeath | hmm |
| 16:26.10 | GhostlyDeath | tons of spam |
| 16:26.34 | GhostlyDeath | well gparted dies when it refreshes the devices |
| 16:26.46 | GhostlyDeath | "--- SIGSEGV (Segmentation fault) @ 0 (0) ---" |
| 16:27.04 | GhostlyDeath | gparted trying to access a NULL pointer? |
| 16:27.48 | GhostlyDeath | gdb says "0x0000000000417281 in ?? ()" |
| 16:28.05 | GhostlyDeath | now to get the debugging libs |
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| 16:30.21 | GhostlyDeath | Don't think there are any debugging libraries at all for this.. |
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| 16:31.27 | azeem | GhostlyDeath: did you check the BTS? |
| 16:31.47 | mick_home | anyone know anything about arp? i seem to be able to any do arp requests to a few boxes on my network -- others don't work and on some boxes i can't even do arp requests |
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| 16:32.15 | GhostlyDeath | http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=446522 |
| 16:32.21 | GhostlyDeath | found that online |
| 16:32.25 | azeem | there you go |
| 16:32.28 | GhostlyDeath | azeem BTS? |
| 16:32.34 | azeem | !bts |
| 16:32.34 | dpkg | rumour has it, bts is the Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or http://bugs.debian.org/bugnumber apt-get install reportbug, and check out <querybts> too. Users of "sid" are required to check the BTS, useful for sid: apt-get install apt-listbugs, or apt-get install apt-listchanges |
| 16:33.21 | GhostlyDeath | azeem, found it before you highlighted |
| 16:33.25 | GhostlyDeath | woo |
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| 16:33.34 | mick_home | i get a lot of "no entry" errors |
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| 16:33.43 | chops | mick_home: Are you sure that the machines that aren't responding to arp requests are on the network at all? That sounds a lot more like a broken network (bad cable/switch/whatever) than an arp problem specifically. |
| 16:33.45 | mick_home | so, do i need to add something to my dns server? |
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| 16:34.21 | mick_home | its not that they don't respond -- they just give "no entry" errors |
| 16:34.31 | pickcoder | how's the nv5 chipset support in Etch? |
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| 16:35.07 | mick_home | so if i do "arp foo" on bar it works -- if i do "arp foo" on foo it says "no entry" |
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| 16:35.47 | mick_home | and if it says "no entry" it sees that the box is up (ip address is shown) |
| 16:36.04 | mick_home | so that isn't a problem of me doing an arp to a non-existant host |
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| 16:36.14 | chops | mick_home: That's exactly the behavior I see on my system. I don't think arp cache entries get made for the local system, since the packets get routed to loopback without the ethernet interface getting involved. What problem exactly are you experiencing that led you to investigate arp? |
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| 16:36.54 | mick_home | i wanted to get the mac address remotely of a bunch of boxes |
| 16:37.05 | mick_home | arp is the only way that i know of |
| 16:37.14 | mick_home | and it worked great for 4 boxes |
| 16:37.21 | mick_home | then i get a bunch of "no entries" |
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| 16:37.43 | GhostlyDeath | yay, solved |
| 16:38.54 | chops | mick_home: ifconfig eth1 | grep HWaddr | awk '{print $5;}' |
| 16:38.59 | chops | mick_home: For whatever value of eth1 |
| 16:39.09 | mick_home | remotely |
| 16:39.12 | chops | mick_home: Or nmap -sP, and then query the arp cache on a single machine |
| 16:39.14 | mick_home | not locally |
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| 16:40.02 | chops | mick_home: You said if you do "arp foo" on bar it works, right? |
| 16:40.10 | mick_home | thanks - nmap works for boxes where arp doesn't |
| 16:40.33 | GhostlyDeath | whenever I plug this flash drive in, i get massed by windows |
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| 16:40.35 | chops | mick_home: arp works if the system is in the arp cache, and doesn't if it's not. You have to ping the machine (or somehow initiate traffic with it) before arp will work. |
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| 16:41.31 | mick_home | ah |
| 16:41.42 | dkr | pinging the broadcast address works, too. :) (well, unless you have windows machines) |
| 16:41.57 | mick_home | hi dkr ;) |
| 16:42.06 | dkr | guten tag |
| 16:42.30 | mick_home | dkr: how do you ping the broadcast? |
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| 16:42.46 | dkr | if network is 192.168.1.0/24 then ping -b 192.168.1.255 |
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| 16:43.38 | dkr | you should get a echo reply from all hosts on the network (but windows machines don't reply to this, just linux and mac) |
| 16:44.46 | wols | dkr: then my windows machine here must be a big exception |
| 16:44.50 | asg | dkr: unless the linux and mac machines have been configured not to |
| 16:44.52 | dkr | for windows you can use ntbscan, matches netbios names to mac addresses |
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| 16:45.36 | chops | wols: It must be. I've never seen a Windows machine that would respond to a broadcast ping. |
| 16:47.35 | pickcoder | are highpoint controllers supported well in Debian? If so, are they solid controllers? |
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| 16:48.22 | pickcoder | I'm a 3ware person myself, but I need a PCI-E controller to do RAID10 and the 9650's are too new to be supported in the installer |
| 16:48.45 | wols | chops: not broadcast ping. arp |
| 16:48.56 | minus198 | What is the command to see the total available diskspace? |
| 16:49.01 | asg | minus198: df |
| 16:49.01 | wols | df |
| 16:49.03 | dkr | pickcoder: tried the daily build of installer? |
| 16:49.39 | pickcoder | I don't want Lenny |
| 16:49.49 | minus198 | asg, wols, Thta only shows me what every single drive has. I want it to add the size and show the total available space.. |
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| 16:50.11 | minus198 | Some friends could do: "df -hc" but I cant. Cause it complains about "-c" not existing... |
| 16:50.14 | chops | wols: Huh? "ping -b 192.168.1.255; arp 192.168.1.69" works if 192.168.1.69 is a so-far-unseen Windows machine? That doesn't make sense to me. |
| 16:50.15 | dkr | wols: yeah, my statement was only about broadcast ping, a continuation from my line before it. no one is claiming windows doesn't understand arp. :) |
| 16:50.32 | asg | minus198: then script some math and write your own utility |
| 16:50.48 | iccy | can anybody point me somewhere that discusses how the wheel group works on debian? i'm suprised that there's no wheel group on a fresh install. |
| 16:50.56 | wols | !wheel |
| 16:50.56 | dpkg | somebody said wheel was n. [from slang `big wheel' for a powerful person] The traditional name of security group zero in BSD. Irrelevant in debian default configs. You can use a PAM module to allow only group wheel to su to root (as is the default in some Unices), or to allow group wheel to su to root without a password. See man pam_wheel for details. |
| 16:51.59 | dkr | minus198: df -hk | perl -lane '$t+=$F[3]if$F[3]=~/\b\d+\b/}{print$t' |
| 16:52.18 | iccy | people dont use sudo with debian? |
| 16:52.27 | asg | iccy: yes |
| 16:52.36 | chops | iccy: They do. They just don't use wheel. |
| 16:52.36 | dkr | I just keep a dedicated xterm su'd to root. :) |
| 16:52.37 | minus198 | dkr, Thank you. But can I ask, why is this not implemented? |
| 16:52.39 | chops | iccy: (in general) |
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| 16:53.11 | dkr | minus198: because it's kind of irrelevant. knowing how much is available in each partition is the important info |
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| 16:53.37 | minus198 | dkr, True.. |
| 16:54.19 | dkr | minus198: you could use LVM to tie your partitions together into one big partition, :) |
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| 16:54.44 | minus198 | dkr, Naw.. Did that once... And I didn't like the experience... |
| 16:54.45 | minus198 | :/ |
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| 16:54.57 | Achim_ | how can i get my agere modem on debian etch ? |
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| 16:55.21 | abrotman | !winmodem |
| 16:55.21 | dpkg | GPL driver and info can be found in http://www-124.ibm.com/acpmodem/ http://www.linmodems.org or http://linux.nf/lesbell.htm or here is a black list of known to be winmodems: http://start.at/modem/ and http://www.idir.net/~gromitkc/winmodem.html See also: winmodem-trick, or a 3Com/USRobotics trademark, or see <slmodem> |
| 16:55.27 | pickcoder | meh.. all the reviews on highpoint cards were horrible |
| 16:55.47 | abrotman | yes |
| 16:55.49 | pickcoder | I really don't want to spend $400 on a PCI-E raid controller for a cheap machine |
| 16:55.58 | abrotman | adaptec? |
| 16:56.05 | pickcoder | softraid may be in the picture shortly |
| 16:56.14 | pickcoder | possible.. |
| 16:56.27 | pickcoder | though, the last adaptec card I got was a POS |
| 16:57.00 | chops | pickcoder: Software RAID is likely to be quite a bit better than a cheapo RAID controller. In all likelihood, they'll both be software RAID, only one will be hidden away in the "RAID card"'s driver :-) |
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| 16:57.29 | dkr | firmware raid. :) |
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| 16:58.01 | pickcoder | well I prefer to use a card for caching since I won't be doing random I/O |
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| 16:58.23 | abrotman | so quit being cheap! |
| 16:58.23 | pickcoder | never tested softraid's throughput |
| 16:58.31 | abrotman | like you just had twins or something .. |
| 16:58.50 | pickcoder | heh |
| 16:59.15 | pickcoder | they're only getting more expensive as the days go by |
| 16:59.19 | abrotman | "Kids .. it was your tuition, or this totally awesome RAID controller .. sorry about those loans" |
| 16:59.59 | pickcoder | besides.. tuitions go up every year and this controller will last a long time |
| 17:00.40 | pickcoder | actually it's an office purchase that I'll be using at home |
| 17:00.42 | pickcoder | off-site backup |
| 17:01.01 | pickcoder | but I don't want to spend $4K on a machine that just stores a few files |
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| 17:01.20 | abrotman | ebay? |
| 17:01.22 | pickcoder | is nv5 supported ok in Etch? |
| 17:01.25 | XTF | Hi. What package contains df (or how do I find out)? |
| 17:01.29 | pickcoder | abrotman: don't insult me! |
| 17:01.36 | pickcoder | heh |
| 17:01.44 | abrotman | !search |
| 17:01.44 | dpkg | well, search is try 'apt-cache search <regex>', if you want to know what package owns a file use dpkg -S /bin/foo. To find a package based on what files it includes use 'aptitude install apt-file;apt-file update;apt-file search foo'. Use http://packages.debian.org if you're not on a debian system. /msg <bot> find <thing> if you're already here. /msg <bot> listkeys <thing> to find factoids containing <thing>. see http://wiki.debian.org/WhereIsIt |
| 17:02.04 | abrotman | !find bin/df$ etch |
| 17:02.16 | jelly-home | ... coreutils? |
| 17:02.20 | abrotman | i think so |
| 17:02.24 | pickcoder | I could go the intel route, but the last intel server board I bought had a borked BIOS and didn't support it's own chipset |
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| 17:03.26 | jelly-home | 4k? There's rackable servers for 2-3 |
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| 17:03.53 | jelly-home | Supermicro and similar crap |
| 17:03.59 | abrotman | pickcoder: i got an ibm rackable for about 2k .. with a hardware raid and SAS |
| 17:04.14 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'bin/df' (3): (/bin/df) in utils/coreutils ;; (/usr/share/systemimager/boot/ia64/standard/initrd_template/bin/df) in admin/systemimager-boot-ia64-standard ;; (/usr/share/systemimager/boot/i386/standard/initrd_template/bin/df) in admin/systemimager-boot-i386-standard. |
| 17:04.17 | pickcoder | did it come with warranty? |
| 17:04.20 | abrotman | XTF: ^^ |
| 17:04.22 | abrotman | pickcoder: yes |
| 17:04.30 | abrotman | i think i got 3yr parts |
| 17:04.30 | jelly-home | abrotman: does it have those adorable 2.5" disks!!1!1 |
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| 17:04.40 | abrotman | jelly-home: 3.5" ? |
| 17:04.43 | XTF | abrotman: Thanks, I always forget those. |
| 17:04.46 | jelly-home | no, 2.5 |
| 17:04.53 | XTF | Just reportbug df does the trick too. |
| 17:04.59 | abrotman | jelly-home: oh .. no .. real drives :) |
| 17:05.01 | wols | pickcoder: just buy a few gig more RAM. a lot more cost effective as a cache than a RAID card |
| 17:05.16 | wols | RAID cards are only useful for caching if you max out the RAM usage with programs |
| 17:05.16 | jelly-home | abrotman: you can get 1U machines from HP with like 6x73 SAS 2.5 driver |
| 17:05.22 | abrotman | jelly-home: ew |
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| 17:06.05 | wols | abrotman: and how fast doe those "real disks" spin? |
| 17:06.05 | abrotman | i like the IBM stuff .. seems durable .. and the support is nice (for hardware anyways) |
| 17:06.17 | abrotman | wols: 10k ? i didn't get the 15k |
| 17:06.35 | abrotman | would you all rather ahve the part numbers? :) |
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| 17:06.41 | bogor | how do i add ftp.iitm.ac.in debian mirror to sources.list for debian non-us non-free contrib stable. I dont understand the syntax of sources.list & how they fit in. What is apt.sources.d directory for ? |
| 17:06.47 | wols | didn't know they make 3,5" platters with 10krpm now |
| 17:06.49 | abrotman | non-us is dead |
| 17:07.01 | abrotman | wols: i got it about a year ago |
| 17:07.14 | chops | bogor: man sources.list |
| 17:07.20 | abrotman | bogor: likely "deb http://<hostname>/debian etch main contrib non-free" |
| 17:07.30 | jelly-home | wols: well there's still consumer grade with 7200rpm |
| 17:08.00 | bogor | abortman: will it enable all packages except testing & experimental ? |
| 17:08.06 | abrotman | it will enable etch |
| 17:08.23 | chops | bogor: testing and experimental are different versions of Debian (sort of). They're not subsets. |
| 17:08.29 | abrotman | bogor: man sources.list .. read it to understand what i just showed you as your source line |
| 17:09.02 | pickcoder | wols: they == IBM? |
| 17:09.05 | bogor | abortman chops : thanks :) |
| 17:09.09 | pickcoder | I have SAS drives here that are 3.5" 15K |
| 17:09.47 | Mark17 | how can i see what device name is used for an ip (alias) on a server |
| 17:09.57 | Mark17 | because the last parts off the device name isnt read able |
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| 17:10.28 | py_ | hello |
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| 17:10.58 | pickcoder | wols: actually I have considered setting up a 64-bit box with about 32GB of ram and build a 30GB ramdisk for transfer space. |
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| 17:11.08 | yang | I wonder how can I protect entries in sshd, I would like to limit them to a few IPs only... |
| 17:11.14 | pickcoder | talk about a waste of money.. but it'd be fast. |
| 17:11.45 | py_ | I have got a debian etch box running firebird, which get started from inetd. I would like to retrict access to its port 3050 to localhost only. At the moment any machine can connect to this box's port 3050. How can that be done? |
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| 17:12.25 | pickcoder | py_: iptables |
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| 17:13.32 | chops | py_: Often you can configure daemons to only listen to a particular interface; you might investigate firebird to see if you can configure it only to listen on loopback. |
| 17:13.40 | py_ | pickcoder: well it may be the solution, but I had the idea that there was a way to tell something like "only listen on 127.0.0.1, and not any other interface". |
| 17:13.46 | jelly-home | yang: use /etc/hosts.allow or iptables or both |
| 17:13.59 | py_ | chops: that's exactly what I was seeming to remember |
| 17:14.09 | yang | jelly-home: thanks |
| 17:14.15 | jelly-home | py_: openbsd-inetd can be told which iface to listen on for a certain service |
| 17:14.51 | bogor | what are the valid values under component section in sources.list. Man pages doesn't say much about valid values for component section. |
| 17:14.53 | py_ | jelly-home: just figured that out in inetd.conf's manpage :-) |
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| 17:15.31 | jelly-home | py_: good for you to have read it before asking here, then! ;-) |
| 17:15.56 | pickcoder | abrotman: which seller did you get the rackmount from? |
| 17:16.24 | py_ | jelly-home: well once again I had openend, but went through too fast, and overlooked the very bit I was looking for... Sorry for the useless noise |
| 17:16.35 | jelly-home | py_: the old default inetd didn't have that feature |
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| 17:20.02 | bogor | apt-get howto says "deb http://security.debian.org stable/updates main contrib non-free" but i dont find the directory stable in the said uri |
| 17:20.41 | pickcoder | how bout an RS6000... |
| 17:20.49 | themill | bogor: the line should be: deb http://security.debian.org/ etch/updates main contrib non-free |
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| 17:20.49 | Mark17 | how can i see what device name is used for an ip (alias) on a server? because the device name isnt read able (it is to long) |
| 17:20.55 | bogor | what are possible values that can occur after the uri section |
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| 17:21.36 | stew | bogor: deb http://security.debian.org stable/updates main refers to http://security.debian.org/dists/stable/updates/main |
| 17:22.26 | themill | bogor: but please change stable to etch so that you don't have problems when lenny releases (or problems right now if you are currently using sarge...!) |
| 17:22.27 | bogor | stew : how do you decode the string to this value ? |
| 17:22.34 | yang | jelly-home: after adding sshd: 212.18.59.220/255.255.255.0 into hosts.allow i get exchange identification error, I also added sshd: ALL into hosts.deny |
| 17:23.01 | bogor | themill: will do that |
| 17:23.12 | ^Timo^ | themill : i am still working on the dist-upgrade |
| 17:23.19 | ^Timo^ | maybe you can help me a bit further |
| 17:23.22 | ^Timo^ | i am stuck on |
| 17:23.23 | ^Timo^ | http://pastebin.ca/805767 |
| 17:23.30 | ^Timo^ | he wants to remove the kernel |
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| 17:23.36 | ^Timo^ | ;/ |
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| 17:24.03 | themill | ^Timo^: are you working through the release notes? |
| 17:24.12 | chops | Mark17: Debian doesn't use files in /dev to correspond to network interfaces. If you're talking about something else, you'll have to be a little more specific. |
| 17:24.18 | ^Timo^ | i am at point : 4.5.4.3 Upgrading a system with no X support installed |
| 17:24.24 | ^Timo^ | yes i am themill |
| 17:24.25 | bogor | yang: I have been working on hosts.deny , allow recently & has been successfull so far |
| 17:24.43 | ^Timo^ | executing the command "aptitude install" |
| 17:24.53 | ^Timo^ | and he asked the thing i paste in the pastebin |
| 17:25.02 | bogor | yang: try this in hosts.allow sshd: 212.18.59.220 : allow |
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| 17:25.21 | jelly-home | yang: hm, that's a bit weird. I don't have ranges in there though, just enumerated hosts. The limits are really enforced via iptables |
| 17:25.33 | ^Timo^ | what to do, what to do ??? |
| 17:25.34 | stew | bogor: by sticking "dists" after the url |
| 17:25.52 | bogor | yang: if its one host i dont think netmask is necessary |
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| 17:26.34 | themill | ^Timo^: because you started things in a strange order, you are probably at 4.6.3 at the moment... well, actually, you're in a bit of a mess... but you are going to need to upgrade your kernel to a 2.6 kernel. |
| 17:26.46 | yang | bogor: thanks a lot it worked...for enabling it for a whole subnet how should i write it then? |
| 17:27.11 | ^Timo^ | ouch. |
| 17:27.24 | ^Timo^ | how ? |
| 17:27.26 | ^Timo^ | damm. |
| 17:27.31 | bogor | yang: i am happy i was of help. For a whole subnet do this 212.18.59 |
| 17:27.44 | ^Timo^ | i just followd your points this afternoon |
| 17:27.48 | bogor | yang: the remaining is taken as wild card |
| 17:27.56 | ^Timo^ | maybe i skipped a few points |
| 17:27.57 | ^Timo^ | ;( |
| 17:28.04 | ^Timo^ | damm damm |
| 17:28.09 | ^Timo^ | how can i fix it themill |
| 17:28.22 | ^Timo^ | how to downgrade (upgrade) i think ? |
| 17:28.34 | jelly-home | bogor: hm, didn't that syntax need a dot at the end, like 212.18.59. ? |
| 17:29.06 | themill | ^Timo^: following isn't quite the word I would have used. 4.5.5 tells you how to load a new kernel. But you should read the sections at 4.6.3and onwards too as there can be other surprises in going from a 2.4 kernel to a 2.6 kernel. |
| 17:29.07 | bogor | jelly-home: That right. Thanks for correcting me |
| 17:29.18 | chops | :q |
| 17:29.24 | bogor | yang:Note that correction |
| 17:29.32 | chops | Whoops, sorry |
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| 17:32.09 | chops | ^Timo^: "followed ... maybe skipped a few points" is not the same as "followed". Welcome to the world of computers :-). You should follow the release notes very precisely when you upgrade. |
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| 17:32.22 | wols | ^Timo^: install a 2.6.8 kernel |
| 17:32.33 | bogor | So if i add the following to sources.list deb http://<host>/debian etch main contrib non-free deb http://<host> etch/updates main contrib non-free . I should get most software available in debian world, right ? |
| 17:32.51 | ^Timo^ | yeah yeah |
| 17:33.06 | ^Timo^ | wols : i am at point 4.6.3 |
| 17:33.09 | ^Timo^ | at the release notes |
| 17:33.16 | themill | sort of |
| 17:33.43 | ^Timo^ | there whas writen to execute a command : aptitude install linux-image-2.6-<flavor> |
| 17:33.44 | chops | bogor: Yes. The second <host> should be security.debian.org on all etch installations. |
| 17:33.52 | wols | ^Timo^: why would I care? |
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| 17:34.08 | wols | tim__b: install a sarge 2.6.8 kernel with dpkg |
| 17:34.27 | ^Timo^ | kay. |
| 17:34.29 | bogor | chops: Thanks , you saved my day |
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| 17:35.04 | ^Timo^ | wols : whats the commandline for that ? |
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| 17:35.40 | wols | man dpkg |
| 17:35.42 | ^Timo^ | ps. there whas writen that i must update with the command : aptitude install linux-image-2.6-<flavor> |
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| 17:37.00 | chops | ^Timo^: You already said that you didn't follow the release notes precisely, and apparently if you had, you would have a new kernel by now. Why should we have to track down precisely what you didn't follow and show it to you? Just listen to wols, he's trying to keep helping you. |
| 17:37.03 | wols | ^Timo^: you didn't follow that howto anyways. picking it up in the middle is not gonna cut it |
| 17:37.14 | orveldv | by chance, does anyone know what's for the FSCKFIX setting in /etc/default/rcS ? |
| 17:37.34 | ^Timo^ | i am reading it now |
| 17:37.50 | wols | ^Timo^: too late. now it's mostly useless |
| 17:37.51 | ^Timo^ | very precisely |
| 17:38.05 | tt | Quick question: I'm using Opera for fetching mails and sending them. Can I terminate the fetchmail/sendmail service or do I need these for a working system? |
| 17:38.06 | wols | you can follow it all you want but it won't help you. but have fun. bye |
| 17:38.25 | DawnLight | i want a debian box to serve it's HDD's to a windows box but i don't want to use SMB. i'm thinking FTP. are there other protocols? |
| 17:38.35 | wols | tt: fetchmail isn't necessary. a MDA is at least necessary |
| 17:38.47 | stew | DawnLight: nfs? |
| 17:38.48 | tt | wols: Thanks. |
| 17:38.49 | ^Timo^ | wols : i have followd it now from the beginning |
| 17:38.50 | wols | DawnLight: webdav, nfs, |
| 17:39.03 | DawnLight | windows can do nfs? |
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| 17:39.12 | wols | ^Timo^: you cannot follow it anymore. you already BROKE it |
| 17:39.14 | themill | ^Timo^: yes, but you're not really at the beginning when you've already done stuff... |
| 17:39.14 | ^Timo^ | just maked a mistake by the command aptitude dist-upgrade |
| 17:39.17 | ^Timo^ | sorry sorry |
| 17:39.22 | ^Timo^ | i just want help |
| 17:39.27 | stew | DawnLight: yes |
| 17:39.29 | wols | DawnLight: yes. tons of NFS servers and clients available. all shit beyond belief. use samba |
| 17:39.38 | ^Timo^ | ;( |
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| 17:39.41 | ^Timo^ | i broke it ? |
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| 17:39.53 | ^Timo^ | i can update it to kernel 2.6.8 right ? |
| 17:39.54 | ^Timo^ | and fix it ? |
| 17:39.56 | wols | yes you broke your package management |
| 17:40.02 | bogor | A generic question, Are there any linux consultant database who provide support other the big players like redhat, novell, ibm, etc. I am searching for a consultant in my localilty |
| 17:40.19 | bogor | sorry, other than |
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| 17:40.54 | wols | bogor: http://www.debian.org/consultants/ |
| 17:41.19 | bogor | thanks wols |
| 17:41.37 | wols | DawnLight: any special reason you don't want samba? |
| 17:41.52 | DawnLight | i don't like it's parents |
| 17:42.00 | abrotman | pickcoder: ibm direct |
| 17:42.08 | wols | DawnLight: its parents being who? |
| 17:42.17 | ^Timo^ | i broke my package management |
| 17:42.19 | chops | DawnLight: samba is going to be the most hassle-free option in all likelihood. Of course, you're free to pursue another option if you like. |
| 17:42.20 | ^Timo^ | can it be fixed |
| 17:42.28 | DawnLight | well, not samba's parents. SMB's parents |
| 17:42.36 | ^Timo^ | ? |
| 17:42.38 | wols | DawnLight: which are? |
| 17:42.38 | ^Timo^ | i hope it can |
| 17:42.49 | DawnLight | microsoft, not? |
| 17:42.55 | wols | not |
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| 17:43.18 | wols | microsoft could be said to be SMBs teacher but not parent |
| 17:43.44 | DawnLight | ibm... |
| 17:43.56 | wols | to be fair it was an ugly child before MS took over its education but MS is not the parent |
| 17:43.58 | ^Timo^ | wols : you still want te help me with this ? :)) |
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| 17:44.01 | SpeedyG | nowt wrong with samba imo |
| 17:44.02 | SpeedyG | :) |
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| 17:44.20 | wols | ^Timo^: I already did |
| 17:44.37 | themill | ^Timo^: wols suggested downloading 2.6.8 from the debian website and then installing with dpkg -i . I'm not sure how much else you've got installed at this stage. Perhaps you'd be better to install linux-image-2.6-686 using aptitude at this stage. You're in uncharted territory where you aren't supposed to be so it's hard for us to give advice. |
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| 17:45.20 | wols | themill: 2.6.8 will work with etch well enough to get an etch kernel even when he has a full etch system. anbd we already know it works with sarge libc6 |
| 17:45.33 | SpeedyG | themill: in uncharted territory, you can always tell them to follow the white rabbit ;) |
| 17:45.40 | themill | heh |
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| 17:46.53 | themill | wols: how does 2.6.8 handle etch's udev and lack of hotplug? I thought there was essentially a race condition between upgrading the kernel, squeezing in the new udev and then rebooting due to incompatibilities. |
| 17:47.23 | infinity0 | how do i tell the tar archiver to follow symlinks and package the actual files, instead of packaging the symlinks? |
| 17:47.43 | ^Timo^ | themill : hmm ok so i should install the kernel with aptitude install, if so can you give me the exact commandline to enter ? |
| 17:47.49 | wols | themill: udev isn't necessary for debian and the harddisk driver has to be loaded before udev or udev itself couldn't be loaded |
| 17:47.54 | hoxu | infinity0, man tar, see -h |
| 17:47.54 | chops | infinity0: man tar |
| 17:47.58 | themill | infinity0: -h or --dereference (from man tar) |
| 17:48.06 | infinity0 | oh ok cheers people :) |
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| 17:48.34 | Mark17 | how can i see what device name is used for an ip (alias) on a server? because the device name isnt read able (it is to long) (it starts with eth0:100:) |
| 17:48.39 | Mark17 | and i need the full name |
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| 17:48.59 | ^Timo^ | cuz. there is writen <flavor> it think i must make something out of that <flavor> or must i just let <flavor> be ? |
| 17:49.08 | themill | wols: ok. Fair enough. I had thought there was a "if you power down now you're in deep shit" stage in the middle of the upgrade. |
| 17:49.08 | the_sniff | is there a way to check a h/w raid's status? |
| 17:49.49 | chops | ^Timo^: Download the kernel .deb, and then the command is "dpkg -i whatever.deb". "flavor" is indeed made into something else; look at the options. There's a kernel version, an ABI version, and an architecture. |
| 17:50.46 | wols | themill: you might have to boot in init=/bin/bash mode :) |
| 17:50.51 | themill | ^Timo^: I presume you're using i386: wget http://security.debian.org/debian-security/pool/updates/main/k/kernel-image-2.6.8-i386/kernel-image-2.6.8-4-686_2.6.8-16sarge7_i386.deb |
| 17:51.07 | ^Timo^ | themill, wols : should i follow chops his comment about |
| 17:51.09 | ^Timo^ | okay |
| 17:51.19 | ^Timo^ | yes indeed i have x86 proc |
| 17:51.23 | ^Timo^ | intel |
| 17:51.41 | themill | wols: ahh the fun of it. I was probably doing it on the end of an ssh connection which tends to focus one's mind on such issues. |
| 17:51.48 | bogor | i am not able to apt-get update -f . It throws following error http://pastebin.ca/805790 |
| 17:52.06 | wols | themill: oh yes it does. only ever accept a remote box with a rescue system |
| 17:52.26 | chops | ^Timo^: Given that you've already been given specific instructions which you didn't follow, and you've argued to a certain extent with people who were trying to continue helping you after that happened, you're somewhat on your own at this point. Support in #debian is only given because people want to help others, and you're not making it easy for people to help you. It's not that people are trying to be rude, it's just the way it is. |
| 17:52.35 | valdyn | bogor: so you disk is full? |
| 17:52.38 | valdyn | bogor: so your disk is full? |
| 17:53.04 | bogor | no way my disk is atleast half empty. I have a 120GB disk |
| 17:53.05 | ^Timo^ | yes |
| 17:53.20 | valdyn | bogor: paste the output of 'df' on a paste site |
| 17:53.25 | themill | wols: ha! if only. It's a machine that I built 10 years ago from spare parts for a .org, it doesn't exactly have a rescue system or even a recovery plan more advanced than "oh shit". |
| 17:53.34 | ^Timo^ | i know but you and themil, wols are both giving me solutions |
| 17:53.35 | ^Timo^ | so. |
| 17:53.36 | bogor | valdyn, sure |
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| 17:53.42 | ^Timo^ | i just asked |
| 17:54.09 | ^Timo^ | thanks for helping me btw i am going to try updating the kernel |
| 17:54.12 | ^Timo^ | hope its gonna work |
| 17:54.20 | themill | so do we |
| 17:54.21 | jelly-home | themill: um, let em buy/get a spare IDE disk and at least do rsync backups? |
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| 17:55.06 | jelly-home | themill: and hope a power surge doesn't kill both disks at the same time :-| |
| 17:55.32 | bogor | valdyn: here is the output of df http://pastebin.ca/805796 |
| 17:55.34 | themill | jelly-home: yeah... they seem to have a bit more $$ these days. Actually, I do an rsync backup of the official data/config on a daily basis for them but nothing from /home or debian packages. And certainly not set up as a failover. |
| 17:55.55 | jelly-home | nah, failover is for paying customers :-) |
| 17:55.56 | bogor | valdyn, i see lots of free space |
| 17:56.04 | wols | themill: is it running etch already? |
| 17:56.15 | valdyn | bogor: yep, the output of 'mount' too pelase |
| 17:56.19 | themill | wols: yes, and quite nicely. Upgraded it back in May |
| 17:56.24 | wols | gz :) |
| 17:56.28 | bogor | valdyn< in a moment |
| 17:56.43 | cahoot | df -i ? |
| 17:56.53 | valdyn | oh , i forgot about that one. |
| 17:57.00 | valdyn | bogor: what cahoot sais |
| 17:57.06 | valdyn | bogor: ..aswell |
| 17:57.44 | bogor | valdyn, here http://pastebin.ca/805802 |
| 17:58.54 | themill | jelly-home: yeah well... paying isn't going to happen any time soon. |
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| 17:58.59 | bogor | cahoot , valdyn, here http://pastebin.ca/805805 |
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| 18:00.01 | bogor | I feel its the problem with permissions |
| 18:00.15 | valdyn | bogor: how would you have fucked up your permissions? |
| 18:00.30 | jnorell | anyone know if the squid3 3.0.PRE5-5 package breaks transparent proxying? (works in squid 2.6.5) |
| 18:00.47 | chops | !tell jnorell about bts |
| 18:00.52 | valdyn | jnorell: it does not, but squid configuration changed |
| 18:00.57 | bogor | or is something gone wrong with sources.list, b'cos i recently edited it before running apt-get |
| 18:01.06 | valdyn | jnorell: ..which might trigger that breakage for you |
| 18:01.06 | ^Timo^ | i think i have updated the kernel |
| 18:01.09 | ^Timo^ | :) |
| 18:01.18 | ^Timo^ | it gives no error any further |
| 18:01.33 | ^Timo^ | themill : how can i check if its updated ? |
| 18:01.41 | SpeedyG | ^Timo^: uname -a |
| 18:01.42 | bogor | valdyn, i dont know if its permissions, its just a guess since the ouput tells us it was not able to write to certain location |
| 18:01.45 | themill | check if what is updated? |
| 18:01.46 | valdyn | jnorell: hmm, nm, i was talking about an older switch, ignore what i said |
| 18:02.00 | ^Timo^ | themill : the kernel |
| 18:02.16 | themill | ^Timo^: have you rebooted? |
| 18:02.25 | ^Timo^ | no |
| 18:02.36 | ^Timo^ | it doesn't ask for that |
| 18:02.44 | valdyn | bogor: try writing to /var or /usr, like 'touch /usr/testfile' |
| 18:02.50 | ^Timo^ | i reboot now if its nessesary |
| 18:02.52 | valdyn | bogor: as root |
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| 18:03.00 | lambda | hi |
| 18:03.13 | themill | then you'll still be running the old kernel. But try a dpkg -l kernel-* to see what's installed |
| 18:03.29 | lambda | my Xorg 7.4 freezes hard when i try to execute an openGL appli ! |
| 18:03.41 | lambda | i use the nvidia.ko module |
| 18:03.51 | valdyn | lambda: wow, you have xorg 7.4? |
| 18:03.51 | ^Timo^ | themill : no package have been found |
| 18:03.57 | valdyn | lambda: go back to your future.. |
| 18:04.02 | lambda | 7.3 |
| 18:04.05 | bogor | valdyn, suddently the problem seems to have disappeared, will check & return back to you |
| 18:04.05 | themill | ^Timo^: rebooting is going to be a nervous time for you so I'd check with wols or chops as to whether you should do that now or try to get more of the upgrade done first. |
| 18:04.35 | themill | ^Timo^: did you install that kernel with dpkg -i kernel-image-2.6.8-4-686_2.6.8-16sarge7_i386.deb ? |
| 18:04.38 | lambda | sorry xserver-xorg 1:7.2-3 |
| 18:05.00 | ^Timo^ | themill : yes i did |
| 18:05.03 | lambda | any idea for troubleshooting a glx freeze ? |
| 18:05.10 | ^Timo^ | i will past my output |
| 18:05.25 | ^Timo^ | http://pastebin.ca/805809 |
| 18:05.31 | ^Timo^ | it look okay |
| 18:05.33 | ^Timo^ | no errors |
| 18:05.37 | ^Timo^ | looks* |
| 18:05.49 | themill | ^Timo^: try putting a \ before the * in that dpkg command |
| 18:05.50 | ^Timo^ | should i try aptitude install again ? |
| 18:05.58 | valdyn | lambda: there's no way, nvidia does not release code |
| 18:06.03 | valdyn | lambda: but you sure can bug them |
| 18:06.20 | bogor | valdyn: update-manager is no longer complaining & is currently downloadling updates. I have to wait & see if the update is a sucess or not |
| 18:06.23 | lambda | very trivial issue i uess |
| 18:06.28 | lambda | i am not expert |
| 18:06.50 | ^Timo^ | themill : http://pastebin.ca/805811 |
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| 18:07.08 | h3sp4wn | lambda: Its unlikely you will get a response unless you are using a supported linux distro (and for one of the people nvidia actually makes the drivers for) or its a major bug (that would be fixed anyway) |
| 18:07.13 | valdyn | lambda: find out what exactly freezes by using a serial console or logging in remotely |
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| 18:07.28 | valdyn | lambda: and talk to nvidia developers |
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| 18:08.13 | themill | ^Timo^: line 7 says that the kernel is installed. |
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| 18:08.19 | themill | ^Timo^: This is a good thing ;) |
| 18:08.23 | lambda | ok |
| 18:08.26 | ^Timo^ | okay |
| 18:08.32 | ^Timo^ | :) |
| 18:08.42 | ^Timo^ | should it do aptitude install before rebooting ? |
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| 18:08.58 | valdyn | lambda: this is probably not trivial at all, as the person to fix this might have to be knowing debian and be employed by nvidia, in the worst case |
| 18:09.00 | ^Timo^ | or what to do next? |
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| 18:09.10 | jnorell | thanks valdyn (and chops) |
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| 18:11.09 | ^Timo^ | wols, themill : what to do next for me i think the kernel is installed |
| 18:11.12 | ^Timo^ | do i need to reboot |
| 18:11.13 | ^Timo^ | first? |
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| 18:13.28 | ^Timo^ | can anyone confrim what to do ? |
| 18:13.46 | bogor | valdyn: update manager returns the following error http://pastebin.ca/805815 |
| 18:13.54 | simonrvn | !reboot |
| 18:13.54 | dpkg | you want to reboot for WHAT?? If it's not a new kernel or a hardware change, you probably don't need to reboot. Ask me about qotd2, or for chumps |
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| 18:14.08 | ^Timo^ | :) |
| 18:14.09 | ^Timo^ | thanks |
| 18:14.19 | jelly-home | !qotd2 |
| 18:14.19 | dpkg | <mrvn> Broadcast message from root (Sat Aug 7 05:48:42 2004): <mrvn> The system is going down for system halt NOW! <mrvn> What the fuck is dselect/dpkg doing a reboot for? <trave11er> mrvn: for changes to take effect? ;-) <StevenK> mrvn: You *had* to move the mouse, didn't you? <mrvn> StevenK: damn, yes. I accidentally pushed it. |
| 18:14.20 | SpeedyG | simonrvn: he's working on a kernel-upgrade/dist-upgrade afaik |
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| 18:14.52 | simonrvn | easier than typing the "yes, you need to reboot if you want to change kernel" part... |
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| 18:15.25 | chops | simonrvn: And much ruder. Congratulations! |
| 18:15.33 | themill | simonrvn: true, but the subtleties might be lost. |
| 18:15.42 | ^Timo^ | okay |
| 18:15.44 | SpeedyG | backup! :D |
| 18:15.47 | ^Timo^ | rebooting goes fine i think |
| 18:16.01 | ^Timo^ | but i see the old kernel is still in the grub list |
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| 18:16.26 | SpeedyG | ^Timo^: just select the new kernel :) |
| 18:16.34 | SpeedyG | if that fails, you can always revert to the old one |
| 18:16.36 | ^Timo^ | can i remove it ? |
| 18:16.42 | ^Timo^ | okay |
| 18:16.52 | wols | simonrvn: from what? |
| 18:16.56 | chops | Also, does anyone happen to know a good C/POSIX function to convert a timestamp (in seconds since the epoch) from an arbitrary timezone (e.g. "America/New_York") to GMT? |
| 18:17.00 | SpeedyG | if it works ok,you could remove the old one |
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| 18:17.22 | ^Timo^ | ok. |
| 18:17.38 | ^Timo^ | it gives a'n error loading the grapical display |
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| 18:18.10 | hoxu | !penixstrike simonrvn |
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| 18:18.10 | dpkg | A towering Penix descends from the heavens, knocking simonrvn to the ground and leaving a large wet spot. |
| 18:18.19 | simonrvn | wols: had a chunk of skin cut outta my ass |
| 18:18.19 | Soeki | hello, can someone please tell me what cd of debian should i use to install it on a core 2 duo machine? i have the i386 of etch but it says it doesnt have the kernel. |
| 18:18.46 | chops | Soeki: i386 should work fine on a Core 2 duo |
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| 18:18.55 | lambda | very impressive: |
| 18:18.55 | SpeedyG | ^Timo^: are you using some nvidia card ? |
| 18:18.58 | lambda | root@mail /home/lambda # glxgears |
| 18:18.58 | lambda | 13 frames in 5.2 seconds = 2.502 FPS |
| 18:18.58 | lambda | zsh: abort (core dumped) glxgears |
| 18:19.20 | simonrvn | weee |
| 18:19.21 | lambda | \o/ |
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| 18:21.34 | Soeki | chops if its a 64b intel machine, should it work? |
| 18:21.39 | jelly-home | serves him right for running glxgears _as root_ _on a mail server_ anyway |
| 18:21.47 | jelly-home | Soeki: yes |
| 18:21.49 | themill | yeah, I was wondering about that |
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| 18:22.02 | SpeedyG | lol jelly-home :) |
| 18:22.05 | simonrvn | @lart lambda |
| 18:22.06 | chops | Soeki: Yes. You should get and amd64 installer if you want a 64-bit system, but the 32-bit installer should work for installing a 32-bit system on a 64b intel machine. |
| 18:22.15 | jelly-home | Soeki: try the installation images with newer kernels, /msg dpkg kmuto |
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| 18:22.18 | mick_home | where would be the best place to ask an nmap question? |
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| 18:22.40 | Bi||aBong- | how i can change the font of the console? |
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| 18:23.15 | mick_home | nmap 4.0 and nmap 4.2 give me different results (nmap -sP hostname gives me a MAC address in 4.0 but not in 4.2) -- i can't find the parameter that i need to add (manpage doesn't say) |
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| 18:23.19 | themill | !tell Bi||aBong- about console fonts |
| 18:23.20 | Soeki | hmm maybe i messed up something |
| 18:23.28 | themill | !nickometer Bi||aBong- |
| 18:23.30 | dpkg | 'Bi||aBong-' is 80.000% lame, themill |
| 18:23.30 | Soeki | im gonna restart the installation to double check |
| 18:23.36 | themill | dpkg: thanks |
| 18:23.36 | dpkg | themill: pas de quoi |
| 18:23.55 | jelly-home | dpkg: merci |
| 18:23.56 | dpkg | merci is, like, thanks in french |
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| 18:24.01 | SpeedyG | !nickometer themill |
| 18:24.03 | dpkg | 'themill' is 0.000% lame, speedyg |
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| 18:24.08 | SpeedyG | :> |
| 18:24.11 | themill | !lart SpeedyG |
| 18:24.19 | SpeedyG | :'[ |
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| 18:24.36 | chops | (BTW, I figured out my time question -- Set the TZ variable, tzset(), mktime() from a broken-down local time struct seems to be my best option) |
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| 18:25.16 | chops | (I actually start with a broken-down struct; I had planned to convert it to a wrong time_t value and then adjust the time_t value to cancel out the timezone error, but it looks like it's easier just to do it right from the beginning) |
| 18:25.26 | LoneTech | chops: you don't strictly need to set the TZ variable, as setlocale() can be used to switch on the fly |
| 18:25.39 | sint | hey, i wanna run i cronjob, but it still not working. i've added a file into /etc/cron.hourly and if i execute the file itself it works, but cron is not running it. what can i do? |
| 18:25.53 | mick_home | sint: crontab -e |
| 18:25.57 | stew | sint: what is the name of the file in /etc/cron.hourly? |
| 18:26.16 | ^Timo^ | okay guys |
| 18:26.17 | chops | LoneTech: Will that work? The glibc time functions claim that they're based on tzset(), which claims it's based on $TZ |
| 18:26.20 | ^Timo^ | i got the error |
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| 18:26.26 | ^Timo^ | i am getting loading the new kernel |
| 18:26.27 | ^Timo^ | http://pastebin.ca/805825 |
| 18:26.51 | chops | ^Timo^: That's loading the new X server, not the new kernel |
| 18:26.54 | ^Timo^ | think i need to do dpkg --reconfigure ??? |
| 18:26.55 | sint | stew: the file is just named like the application |
| 18:27.00 | abrotman | sint: which is? |
| 18:27.00 | ^Timo^ | okay |
| 18:27.06 | chops | ^Timo^: I would advise trying to complete the upgrade from the console, and then worry about X |
| 18:27.09 | stew | sint: it must be compliant with run-parts naming restrictions, "man run-parts" |
| 18:27.11 | mick_home | sint: 0 * * * * someapp |
| 18:27.21 | ^Timo^ | hmm. |
| 18:27.22 | stew | ^Timo^: modprobe psmouse ; add psmouse to /etc/modules |
| 18:27.25 | themill | sint: there are restrictions on the filenames that run-parts will run. Yeah. what stew said |
| 18:27.28 | sint | abrotman: webalizer.domain |
| 18:27.36 | abrotman | sint: that won't work .. take the . out |
| 18:27.36 | stew | sint: it can't have a . |
| 18:27.36 | LoneTech | I didn't know about tzset. You're probably right. |
| 18:27.41 | sint | hm |
| 18:27.54 | chops | LoneTech: Really? Bad ass! I just learned about all this nonsense about 45 seconds ago. :-) |
| 18:27.58 | ^Timo^ | darn i can't login on my ssh server |
| 18:27.59 | ^Timo^ | :( |
| 18:28.01 | sint | thanks, i will try it |
| 18:28.02 | themill | sint: man run-parts. 2nd paragraph of the description section. |
| 18:28.13 | themill | sint: and make sure cron is actually running ;) |
| 18:28.44 | sint | mick_home: don't wanna add it crontab since it don't like the handling of it |
| 18:28.58 | sint | themill: thanks, i will take a look |
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| 18:29.47 | stew | and run-parts has that restriction so that dpkg can drop .dpkg-dist files, probably. (just guessing) |
| 18:29.53 | stew | but i wish it didn't exist |
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| 18:30.18 | ^Timo^ | stew : is there not a command to reconfigure xserver or is that not the problem ? |
| 18:30.33 | ^Timo^ | i am in ssh on the server direct ssh remote did not work |
| 18:30.37 | DawnLight | is there something simpler than cacti? |
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| 18:31.19 | stew | ^Timo^: the command to reconfigure the xserver is "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg" the problem appeared to be that the "psmouse" modules wasn't loaded |
| 18:31.42 | themill | ^Timo^: I think you should concentrate on one problem at a time. Finish off the sarge->etch upgrade and get working with an etch kernel rather than being somewhere in no-man's land. Then, think about setting up X. |
| 18:31.57 | stew | ^Timo^: although, if you are going to reconfigure x, you should switch from using /dev/psaux to /dev/input/mice. but you will still need psmouse loaded if you are planning to use a mouse connected via a ps2 port |
| 18:33.42 | themill | stew: I'm not sure if you've been following... I think the current state of ^Timo^'s box is that it is currently running a 2.6.8 kernel under mostly-etch. There are still probably packages to dist-upgrade as his initial efforts borked at the "trying to remove your currently running 2.4 kernel" stage. |
| 18:34.07 | stew | i have not been folowing |
| 18:34.16 | ponyofdeath | hi, is there a setting for ext3 to have it be able to read/write files larger than 2GB? This is on a 64bit machine / install |
| 18:34.28 | themill | stew: consider yourself lucky. It's been a 6 or 7 hour saga so far. |
| 18:34.32 | stew | it would, indeed be silly to try to fix a x configuration problem in the middle of an upgrade that hasn't yet been completed |
| 18:34.38 | scoopex | is there anybody who sucessfully installed debian-etch on the hercules-emulator ? i have strange problems with ipl-ing the installation-tape.... |
| 18:34.46 | stew | i do consider myself lucky, but it has nothing to do with his upgrade :P |
| 18:35.02 | sint | seems like i have 2 crons on my system. but this was already installed. one is anacron and the other is cron. is anacron ok? |
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| 18:35.14 | stew | and if he's really running 2.6.8, then psmouse was built in and he shouldn't be missing /dev/psaux |
| 18:35.33 | stew | !anacron |
| 18:35.33 | dpkg | [anacron] a cron-like program that runs jobs that cron would have skipped if the system was shutdown. |
| 18:35.35 | themill | ^Timo^: what's uname -r now? |
| 18:36.08 | sint | stew: k. so i have to run both?! |
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| 18:36.46 | scoopex | i`m searching for a way configure the virtual tapedrive of hercules tp install debian-s390 |
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| 18:38.48 | Pobega | I need some pretty basic information, thanks ahead of time...What's the safe way to go about making a 'guest' account for my computer? i.e. an account that ONLY has access to it's own home folder and nothing else (I don't want anyone malicious doing rm -rf and getting rid of all my shared files, or whatnot). Sorry if this is a really basic question, but I've never done this before. |
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| 18:39.23 | stew | sint: do you care if your jobs run or not if your machine is down at the time when cron.daily (for instance) would run? |
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| 18:39.45 | RaceKondition | I've changed IP parameters in /etc/network/interfaces but after /etc/init.d/networking restart ifconfig still shows the same IP |
| 18:39.45 | asg | Pobega: look at libpam-chroot |
| 18:39.57 | stew | sint: if your machine is down while cron.monthly would normally have run, do you want it to run when your machine comes back up? or do you want it to be skipped for that month? |
| 18:40.13 | sint | stew: oh ok, i get it. no, i don't care. since its just webstats |
| 18:40.26 | stew | sint: if you don't care if they are skipped, you can remove anacron |
| 18:40.41 | sint | stew: thanks alot! :) |
| 18:40.48 | Pobega | asg: Thank you very much, that's exactly the type of package I was looking for! |
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| 18:44.00 | extor | Does debian have any knoppix-like livecds from the testing or unstable distros? |
| 18:44.21 | Pobega | asg: With this package I need to create a seperate chroot environment? ala /chroot? Or does libpam-chroot create some sort of virtual chroot (Is that even possible?) so that if files are deleted it doesn't affect anything? |
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| 18:45.26 | themill | dpkg: ping |
| 18:45.36 | xand | !livecd |
| 18:45.44 | xand | !live cd |
| 18:45.47 | extor | I need a liveCD that has kernel 22 or above |
| 18:45.48 | xand | dpkg: you suck :( |
| 18:45.50 | orveldv | is there a way I can still get xorgconfig ? It seems to be missing from xbase-clients |
| 18:46.09 | extor | cuz I need a certain driver to boot my CD |
| 18:46.23 | asg | Pobega: check the docs in /usr/share/doc/libpam-chroot and also the examples in /usr/share/doclibpam-chroot/examples. |
| 18:47.02 | stew | orveldv: afaik, it no longer exists |
| 18:47.07 | xand | extor: official live CDs are here: http://live.debian.net/ but I don't know what kernel they have |
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| 18:47.16 | stew | there are no official live CDs |
| 18:47.32 | extor | knoppix itself is debian, right? |
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| 18:47.43 | stew | extor: no |
| 18:47.46 | extor | Could I somehow mod a knoppix livecd using the latest debian kernel |
| 18:47.48 | themill | extor: based on debian, but not debian |
| 18:48.14 | orveldv | stew: uhm I see; but how am I supposed to configure xorg? X -configure fails miserably |
| 18:48.15 | extor | I meant to say its based on debian |
| 18:48.18 | stew | extor: you could probably modify a knoppix livecd using a debian kernel, ask #knoppix |
| 18:48.18 | asg | extor: why not build your own debian live-cd with the bootcd package |
| 18:48.27 | stew | orveldv: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg |
| 18:48.38 | extor | asg I am not familiar with the bootcd package but I will look into it |
| 18:48.46 | Pobega | asg: I'm looking through those now, they all mention that I should set a $CHROOTDIR but says nothing about 'temporary' directories. I'd basically like to have a userland that is temporary, perhaps a copy of my /chroot dir, so if the user runs a delete-all command nothing is really gone. |
| 18:48.54 | orveldv | stew: but there are only a few questions asked there ... anyway |
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| 18:49.00 | orveldv | stew: thanks |
| 18:49.18 | extor | I wonder if any of these live CDs can boot off a USB stick |
| 18:49.34 | BlueToothz | extor, their out there. |
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| 18:49.51 | BlueToothz | especially if you get a 1GB |
| 18:49.53 | asg | Pobega: you could look at libtrash perhaps |
| 18:49.57 | J-_ | hmmm, is the debian 40r1 i386 netinstall iso for a server installation? |
| 18:50.05 | stew | J-_: yes |
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| 18:50.18 | stew | J-_: and for desktop and laptop and for whatever else |
| 18:50.26 | J-_ | ... |
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| 18:51.00 | SpeedyG | J-_: it's for any kind of box, but requires a 'net' connection to be functional ;) |
| 18:51.01 | J-_ | well, well, the installation process that I am going through now is asking for a domain name. |
| 18:51.12 | J-_ | - well |
| 18:51.19 | extor | I got a 2GB usb stick...does that automatic bootcd creator allow you to add fluff? |
| 18:51.34 | Caemyr | hiya |
| 18:51.43 | BlueToothz | extor; sure it does |
| 18:52.01 | BlueToothz | extor; check out google for linux live cds or something like that, thats what i do |
| 18:52.59 | extor | I only see etch images for download unfortunately |
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| 18:53.36 | orveldv | so why this decision to drop xorgconfig when there is no suitable replacement for it yet? |
| 18:53.37 | FastPutty | J-_: it just ask for a domain doesnt mean is only for server |
| 18:53.43 | J-_ | k |
| 18:53.49 | J-_ | I'm used to Ubuntu =P |
| 18:54.30 | orveldv | should we all edit xorg.conf by hand? |
| 18:54.46 | themill | orveldv: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg |
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| 18:55.18 | themill | orveldv: and the aim is for future versions of xorg to not need a config file |
| 18:55.24 | J-_ | FastPutty: Can I just put anything down as the domain name? |
| 18:55.31 | abrotman | J-_: ask #ubuntu |
| 18:55.42 | orveldv | themill: thanks, but it asks only a few questions, nothing about mouse for instance |
| 18:55.48 | J-_ | Why? I'm installing Debian. |
| 18:55.58 | stew | orveldv: you'd have to ask #freedesktop or #xorg ; i'm saying not that debian stop distributing xorgconfig, i'm saying htat x.org itself dropped it |
| 18:56.00 | abrotman | oh .. sorry .. misread .. thought you said using .. not used to |
| 18:56.05 | J-_ | yep |
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| 18:56.18 | orveldv | stew: I see ; thanks |
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| 18:57.13 | stew | orveldv: and yes, if you need configuration beyond what 'dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg' can provide, then edit the conf file by hand |
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| 18:57.43 | themill | orveldv: it should do... it asks for what port to use, what protocol, 2/3 button... |
| 18:57.49 | orveldv | stew: yep, that's what I did; my serial mouse wasn't detected at all |
| 18:58.42 | stew | and as they move towards not needing a config, they are going to be moving towards needing udev |
| 18:59.07 | orveldv | hmm ; on my machine it doesn't ask about mouse ; I should probably increase the verbosity level or smth |
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| 19:00.30 | micekiller | can anyone tell me if the patch https://bugs.freedesktop.org/attachment.cgi?id=11949&action=view did get it into xorg-server_1.4.1~git20071119-1 ? |
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| 19:01.13 | J-_ | oh man, I'm only at the installation and I like debian a whole lot. =D I've never seen the option in Ubuntu to create a separate /home dir. |
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| 19:01.32 | azeem | &W 32 |
| 19:01.33 | azeem | oops |
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| 19:01.54 | jelly-home | J-_: fwiw, ubuntu's expert installer is about the same as the debian thing |
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| 19:04.25 | tralala | !qotd0 |
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| 19:05.01 | orveldv | themill, stew : I got it working now ; it's nice ; thank you guys |
| 19:05.01 | J-_ | jelly-home: hmm, yeah. But I've never seen that option. |
| 19:05.10 | asg | tralala: the bot went walkabout a few minutes ago |
| 19:05.40 | J-_ | It's nice to have a spare system to test stuff out now =D |
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| 19:06.03 | tralala | asg, it was so unusually quiet that I thought I have ignored everything by mistake |
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| 19:06.34 | asg | tralala: community lunchtime apparently |
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| 19:07.12 | J-_ | currently installing the base system. what does base system include? I guess I'll find out. I probably have to install xfce, or fluxbox or some such. |
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| 19:07.41 | tralala | asg, bots included |
| 19:07.41 | J-_ | sudo apt-get install fluxbox ftw |
| 19:07.46 | asg | quite so |
| 19:07.49 | abrotman | tralala: or bot has you on ignore |
| 19:07.51 | abrotman | !qotd0 |
| 19:07.59 | abrotman | bot dead! |
| 19:08.00 | ks | how do I know if two cpu cores are ever used in my system ? |
| 19:08.03 | abrotman | oh .. dpkg parted |
| 19:08.13 | wols | ks: cat /proc/cpuinfo |
| 19:08.15 | asg | ks: /proc/cpuinfo |
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| 19:08.24 | abrotman | ks: cat /proc/cpuinfo .. if oyu see two .. they'll both be used |
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| 19:08.33 | abrotman | assuming you've an SMP kernel which most of the debian ones are now |
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| 19:08.42 | tralala | ain't cpuinfo giving 2 cpus even for p4ht? |
| 19:09.05 | aixenv | hey i once had a command to do this and i cant remember the name..basically i need to take file 1 and get the output that isnt in file2 and generate file3.. i know diff can kind of do this.. but it was some command that basically would compare two files |
| 19:09.08 | aixenv | anyone remember the name of this command? |
| 19:09.11 | abrotman | only if you're silly enough to turn it on |
| 19:09.15 | ks | well i mean how do I know that apps use two cores simultaneously ? |
| 19:09.20 | abrotman | aixenv: comm |
| 19:09.25 | aixenv | abrotman: ty :) |
| 19:09.33 | abrotman | !bashfaq |
| 19:09.36 | abrotman | bah .. no bot! |
| 19:09.39 | asg | fail |
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| 19:09.45 | tralala | apt, bashfaq |
| 19:09.53 | abrotman | ravenbird: bashfaq |
| 19:09.54 | ravenbird | abrotman: i don't know |
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| 19:09.58 | abrotman | ravenbird: die |
| 19:09.59 | stew | ks: run top, then hit "1". it will show you usage percentages for both cores |
| 19:10.01 | ravenbird | abrotman: KCI error, or a problem with the Keyboard-Chair Interface. |
| 19:10.20 | tralala | bots on strike... |
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| 19:10.41 | ks | stew isn't it for multi-processor system ? |
| 19:10.59 | stew | ks: it is for a multi-processor system |
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| 19:11.21 | ks | stew dual-core is different, isn't it ? |
| 19:11.27 | asg | ks: not in this case, no |
| 19:11.31 | stew | ks: not as far as linux is concerned |
| 19:11.32 | aixenv | abrotman: comm -23 file1 file2 <== would give me what's uniq to file1 correct? |
| 19:11.32 | pickcoder | ks: physically, yes |
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| 19:11.57 | ks | ok let me check |
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| 19:12.12 | aptitude | Okay, I'm here. (courtesy of stew) |
| 19:12.23 | tralala | aptitude, bashfaq |
| 19:12.24 | aptitude | methinks bash faq is http://wooledge.org/mywiki/BashFaq |
| 19:12.29 | tralala | aptitude, good boy |
| 19:12.30 | aptitude | tralala: thanks |
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| 19:14.20 | abrotman | aixenv: uhm .. comm -13 <(sort file1) <(sort file2) .. or something likme that |
| 19:14.29 | pickcoder | ks: http://www.phy.duke.edu/~rgb/Beowulf/smp-faq/prive/mentre/smp-faq/smp-faq-3.html |
| 19:15.01 | ks | take a look at my cpuinfo http://pastebin.ca/805874 |
| 19:15.06 | abrotman | aixenv: http://wooledge.org:8000/BashFAQ#head-f9a75c5f92493aec674ad4c8b569c5288fed9c27 |
| 19:15.15 | ks | pickcoder thanks i'll read it |
| 19:15.39 | stew | ks: this means you are only using one core. |
| 19:15.47 | tralala | ks, what are you running? |
| 19:15.53 | stew | ks: what does "uname -r" say? something ending in -486 ? |
| 19:16.16 | ks | stew 2.6.16-xenU |
| 19:16.26 | xingu | nice darts, major api change, in a minor release; anything using TimeSeries is busted. |
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| 19:16.55 | chops | xingu: :-( |
| 19:17.00 | ks | tralala this virtual instance, i think i was confused by line"model name : Dual-Core AMD Opteron(tm) Processor 2218 HE" |
| 19:17.03 | stew | ks: this means your kernel was not compiled with SMP support, which is required for using both cores. you can either recompile a new kernel, or install a debian compiled kernel |
| 19:17.21 | stew | ks: any debian compiled kernel except the -486 images would support both cores |
| 19:17.50 | ks | stew can xen allocate only one core to the instance ? |
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| 19:18.06 | stew | ks: i don't know |
| 19:18.32 | xingu | chops: dunno if you used it, but the constructor previously took a String, and now takes a Comparable as first arg; so all users of that class will be busted. |
| 19:18.48 | chops | xingu: I don't use it. I was just sympathizing. |
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| 19:19.00 | pickcoder | xingu: wrap it? |
| 19:19.20 | xingu | pickcoder: bloody tempting, if I knew enough about java to do so |
| 19:19.25 | ^Timo^ | back again |
| 19:19.27 | chops | xingu: Maybe someone thought that because it was a source-compatible change, it would be binary compatible. "After all, it's a virtual machine, isn't it?" |
| 19:19.29 | ks | stew i think this is the case: xen display actual cpu information, but allocates only one core to instance |
| 19:19.32 | ^Timo^ | am working on a new x server |
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| 19:19.45 | xingu | chops: :) "linking? that's some C thing isn't it?" |
| 19:19.49 | ^Timo^ | have a problem with apt-get update |
| 19:19.50 | jelly-home | chops: yeahhhhhhhhh.... no, they can't possibly be that stupid |
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| 19:20.02 | roxy_ | is there a way to run app for Mac ? |
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| 19:20.16 | stew | ks: are you not able to check /proc/cpuinfo on the dom0? |
| 19:20.20 | xand | roxy_: recompile it on linux |
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| 19:20.49 | xand | roxy_: assuming it's not an aqua program :P |
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| 19:20.55 | ks | stew nope it's beyond my control |
| 19:21.10 | ^Timo^ | Dynamic MMap ran out of room / error appears from kig (NewVersion1) / Problem with MergeList /var/lib/dpkg/status. |
| 19:21.27 | asg | aptitude, dynamic mmap |
| 19:21.28 | aptitude | Getting "E: Dynamic MMap ran out of room" when using apt-get? Put the following line into your /etc/apt/apt.conf: 'APT::Cache-Limit 12582912;' . If you still get the same error, increase the value. If that file doesn't exist, add it, or put that line in a file in /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/ You can also possibly get rid of this error by deleting entries from your sources.list that you don't actually need. |
| 19:21.44 | stew | aptitude's trigger is @ btw |
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| 19:22.00 | stew | err, no it isn't |
| 19:22.06 | asg | stew: didn't know if it was that or something more exotic like '%' |
| 19:22.08 | stew | &qotd0 |
| 19:22.08 | azeem | ~hi |
| 19:22.09 | apt | hello, azeem |
| 19:22.09 | aptitude | rumour has it, qotd127 is < runedude> I dont hire any admins. My dad sets up router settings. He has a degree in computers. now shush. Lol. It's not changing, and thats that. |
| 19:22.54 | tralala | are all the bots owned by dondelelcaro? |
| 19:23.07 | pickcoder | meh.. degrees.. |
| 19:23.26 | stew | tralala: aptitude will say that becuase it sync's from dpkg's database nightly, and i've been too lazy to do anything about it |
| 19:23.32 | ^Timo^ | hmm hmm i only have /etc/apt/apt.conf.d |
| 19:23.40 | ^Timo^ | is that correct ? |
| 19:23.51 | stew | ^Timo^: "If that file doesn't exist, add it" |
| 19:23.56 | tralala | stew, :) |
| 19:23.59 | ^Timo^ | okay |
| 19:24.09 | ^Timo^ | conf.d is different ? |
| 19:24.16 | ^Timo^ | i'l add it |
| 19:24.17 | stew | ^Timo^: though, in general, it means you are likely to have sources you no longer need |
| 19:24.17 | sparr_w | how can i change my DNS server on the fly? |
| 19:24.17 | pickcoder | "or put that line in a fille..." |
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| 19:24.53 | pickcoder | sparr_w: eh? |
| 19:25.01 | stew | ^Timo^: its not different. the apt configuration would be the combination of apt.conf and all files in apt.conf.d apt.conf.d is there so that packages (such as apt-listbugs for example) can have a place to drop a configuration file |
| 19:25.03 | pickcoder | change it and restart it? |
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| 19:25.35 | sparr_w | pickcoder: restart what? |
| 19:25.35 | pickcoder | sparr_w: keep propegation in mind when you decide to make a change |
| 19:25.40 | pickcoder | sparr_w: um.. bind9? |
| 19:25.50 | sparr_w | let me be more elaborate |
| 19:25.55 | pickcoder | please.. |
| 19:26.00 | sparr_w | how can i change the server that my computer uses to look up domain names? |
| 19:26.08 | pickcoder | interfaces |
| 19:26.17 | pickcoder | and/or /etc/resolv.conf |
| 19:26.19 | asg | sparr_w: /etc/resolv.conf |
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| 19:27.01 | sparr_w | thanks |
| 19:27.37 | tralala | is there a tool in debian to manage different nameservers for different networks? And I don't mean echo IP > /etc/resolv.conf in interfaces. |
| 19:28.07 | xingu | tralala: resolvconf? |
| 19:28.31 | ^Timo^ | stew : it does not work |
| 19:28.32 | wols | tralala: resolvconf |
| 19:28.52 | ^Timo^ | must i increase the value 12582912 ? |
| 19:29.08 | ^Timo^ | ps. |
| 19:29.17 | stew | "If you still get the same error, increase the value" |
| 19:29.19 | ^Timo^ | i have added this source to sources.list |
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| 19:29.29 | shanky | good afternoon |
| 19:29.29 | ^Timo^ | deb http://ftp.debian.org/debian unstable main contrib |
| 19:29.36 | tralala | where are the docs?! |
| 19:29.37 | ^Timo^ | good afternoon shanky |
| 19:29.39 | pickcoder | meh.. I swear I saw name server as an interfaces option |
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| 19:29.48 | stew | ^Timo^: what are you trying to do? you want to upgrade to unstable? |
| 19:29.49 | wols | pickcoder: it is |
| 19:29.55 | shanky | in a amd4 system the only way to get w32codecs installed is using a chroot, isn't it? |
| 19:29.58 | pickcoder | it's not in the manpage |
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| 19:30.17 | chops | stew: He upgraded sarge->etch by making it up as he went along instead of reading the release notes, and now he's trying to complete the upgrade |
| 19:30.25 | wols | shanky: maybe there is a 64bit version of w32codecs. after all windows is available in 64bit too |
| 19:30.27 | ^Timo^ | stew : no perhaps i want to upgrade xorg cuz it is not working atm. |
| 19:30.37 | ^Timo^ | xserver |
| 19:30.45 | ^Timo^ | http://wiki.debian.org/Xorg69To7 |
| 19:30.48 | shanky | wols: mmm, I'll google it, thanks |
| 19:30.52 | stew | ^Timo^: you don't want to mix stable and unstable |
| 19:30.56 | stew | ^Timo^: what is the problem with xorg? |
| 19:31.05 | stew | ^Timo^: do you get an error message? |
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| 19:31.10 | ^Timo^ | yes |
| 19:31.11 | pickcoder | wols: is my brain failing? I don't see it in the interfaces 5 manpage |
| 19:31.11 | wols | shanky: if it's available for debian, marillat has it |
| 19:31.16 | ^Timo^ | i have |
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| 19:31.20 | stew | chops: he's trying to complete the upgrade to etch by using unstable? |
| 19:31.27 | eldowan | Apocalyptica - Bittersweet |
| 19:31.27 | stew | ^Timo^: what is the error? |
| 19:31.59 | chops | stew: ? This is the first I've heard of unstable. I haven't been keeping up with his efforts, though. I can only tell you what was happening 1-2 hours ago. |
| 19:32.05 | ^Timo^ | stew : http://pastebin.ca/805825 |
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| 19:32.21 | stew | ^Timo^: what does "uname -r" say? |
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| 19:32.34 | stew | ^Timo^: did you try the things i told you to try last time you showed this error? |
| 19:32.49 | ^Timo^ | no i did not |
| 19:32.52 | ^Timo^ | perhaps |
| 19:32.56 | stew | ^Timo^: what does "uname -r" say? |
| 19:32.58 | ^Timo^ | i wanted to just reconfigure |
| 19:33.02 | ^Timo^ | it says |
| 19:33.05 | ^Timo^ | the latest kernel |
| 19:33.06 | ^Timo^ | :) |
| 19:33.15 | stew | ^Timo^: are you using linux? |
| 19:33.29 | ^Timo^ | yes i am |
| 19:33.30 | ^Timo^ | lol |
| 19:33.34 | ^Timo^ | why are you asking ? ;/ |
| 19:33.39 | stew | ^Timo^: what is returned when you type "uname -r"? |
| 19:33.54 | ^Timo^ | stew : 2.6.8-4-686 |
| 19:33.57 | chops | stew: This has been a common theme so far -- he asks for help, people tell him what to do or ask questions, he ignores them and then asks for help when he gets in trouble. |
| 19:34.00 | ^Timo^ | thats what it says |
| 19:34.16 | ks | how do I know which part of the system is often in a wait state ? |
| 19:34.21 | stew | ^Timo^: you need to finish upgrading to etch, which includes installing a newer kernel |
| 19:34.21 | ^Timo^ | chops : i only try to understand things |
| 19:34.31 | roxy_ | xand: don't I need the source to compile it ? |
| 19:34.31 | ^Timo^ | i try to follow all of you guys commands |
| 19:34.44 | ^Timo^ | but i must understand it to before entering |
| 19:34.44 | xand | roxy_: yes. |
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| 19:34.55 | xand | roxy_: but anyway, linux can't run os x apps |
| 19:35.03 | ^Timo^ | hmm hmm. |
| 19:35.05 | stew | ^Timo^: but before you do anything else, please remove anything from sources.list that isn't 'stable' or 'etch' |
| 19:35.09 | ^Timo^ | i whas told to install this kernel |
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| 19:35.16 | ^Timo^ | tell me which kernel i need to install? |
| 19:35.22 | tralala | ^Timo^, install a kernel from etch. There isn't much to understand here. |
| 19:35.23 | roxy_ | xand: I'll try wine and windows then. |
| 19:35.42 | xand | roxy_: don't see how that'll run OS X programs |
| 19:35.43 | ^Timo^ | i installed it with dpkg -i *.deb just what wols sayd to me |
| 19:35.52 | chops | stew: That's correct. He had gotten further in the etch upgrade than he should have before installing a 2.6 kernel, and found himself unable to install the new kernel. He was advised to install 2.6.8 before continuing the upgrade. |
| 19:36.08 | tralala | ^Timo^, aptitude install linux-image-2.6-686 |
| 19:36.16 | chops | stew: I think that was the last advice he got here, and since he rebooted in 2.6.8 he's been working on his own again. |
| 19:36.26 | Caemyr | which is 2.6.18 or 2.6.22 (last one from backports) |
| 19:36.33 | roxy_ | xand: it won't. I want to buy a garmin product and it comes with app for Mac or Windows. |
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| 19:36.43 | stew | ^Timo^: please just follow the procedure in the release notes: /msg dpkg sarge->etch |
| 19:36.55 | chops | stew: Too late for that |
| 19:36.56 | xand | roxy_: maybe you can use a linux alternative with it |
| 19:36.58 | ^Timo^ | yes i know |
| 19:37.00 | ^Timo^ | but |
| 19:37.02 | ^Timo^ | i have a problem |
| 19:37.05 | ^Timo^ | with xserver |
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| 19:37.07 | chops | stew: He'd gotten himself wedged |
| 19:37.07 | ^Timo^ | it is not working |
| 19:37.35 | chops | ^Timo^: Remember a while back, when I advised you to forget about the X server until you'd completed the etch upgrade? Try that. |
| 19:37.44 | stew | ^Timo^: ignore the fact that x isn't working for now. the things we would do to fix x right now won't apply once you are actually running an etch kernel |
| 19:38.09 | ^Timo^ | i am done with the upgrade |
| 19:38.10 | ^Timo^ | chops |
| 19:38.15 | ^Timo^ | everything is installed |
| 19:38.25 | ^Timo^ | updated |
| 19:38.28 | tralala | everything but the kernel |
| 19:38.29 | stew | ^Timo^: you are running an unsupported kernel. |
| 19:38.34 | zelnick | hi, somebody here familiar with wirelesstools? |
| 19:38.41 | ^Timo^ | hmm hmm |
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| 19:39.08 | stew | ^Timo^: the problem you are having with your x server is related to a missing module in your kernel. your kernel, however is not supported under etch. is there some reason that you are not upgrading your kernel? |
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| 19:39.27 | stew | zelnick: just ask your real question |
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| 19:39.39 | ^Timo^ | stew : this is where i am stuck aptitude install linux-image-2.6-flavor |
| 19:39.49 | stew | ^Timo^: show us the actual command you typed and the actual output, use a pastebin: /msg dpkg pastebin |
| 19:39.53 | ^Timo^ | i need to know to which kernel i need to update |
| 19:40.07 | stew | ^Timo^: what cpu do you have? |
| 19:40.12 | ^Timo^ | i have x86 |
| 19:40.15 | stew | ^Timo^: what cpu do you have? |
| 19:40.28 | tralala | x86 is not a cpu |
| 19:40.29 | ^Timo^ | x86 intel 1gb |
| 19:40.35 | ^Timo^ | 32 bits cpu intel |
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| 19:40.37 | zelnick | stew right :) trying to setup a wirelessconnection without X installed |
| 19:40.38 | stew | ^Timo^: that is not a cpu i've ever heard of |
| 19:40.44 | ^Timo^ | lol |
| 19:40.45 | ^Timo^ | yeah |
| 19:40.48 | ^Timo^ | hmm let me think |
| 19:40.55 | Caemyr | its intel:) |
| 19:41.00 | ^Timo^ | its a intel proc socket .... |
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| 19:41.05 | stew | ^Timo^: "cat /proc/cpuinfo" would tell you |
| 19:41.09 | ^Timo^ | pentium3 1ghz |
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| 19:41.52 | stew | ^Timo^: then you want 686 for flavor. however. you need to make sure you have removed unstable/sid/testing/lenny from your sources.list and run "aptitude update" before proceding |
| 19:41.53 | ^Timo^ | i knew that |
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| 19:42.12 | stew | zelnick: install wireless-tools ; man 7 wireless ; man 5 interfaces |
| 19:42.46 | tralala | ^Timo^, good, now could you, please, remove the non-etch sources, update and install linux-image-2.6-686? |
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| 19:42.57 | koolhead17 | hi all |
| 19:43.42 | ^Timo^ | hmm hmm |
| 19:43.49 | ^Timo^ | i have a problem |
| 19:44.07 | ^Timo^ | the dynamic MMAp run out of room |
| 19:44.11 | ^Timo^ | ;/ |
| 19:44.18 | stew | ^Timo^: please show us your sources.list ; use a pastebin: /msg dpkg pastebin |
| 19:44.20 | chops | ^Timo^: Someone already told you how to solve that one, too |
| 19:44.27 | ^Timo^ | yes |
| 19:44.29 | ^Timo^ | but |
| 19:44.33 | Tramp | stew: I think dpkg is offline |
| 19:44.34 | ^Timo^ | it didn't work |
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| 19:44.45 | tralala | Tramp, correct |
| 19:45.05 | ^Timo^ | it sayd btw |
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| 19:45.19 | stew | ^Timo^: if it didn't work, you didn't follow the instructions. however you should not be getting this error in the first place, please show us your /etc/apt/sources.list ; /msg aptitude pastebin |
| 19:45.29 | ^Timo^ | okay |
| 19:45.36 | ^Timo^ | it are just standard sources |
| 19:45.46 | ^Timo^ | all stable |
| 19:45.54 | ^Timo^ | let me paste them |
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| 19:47.03 | pickcoder | is it monday? |
| 19:47.14 | h3sp4wn | pickcoder: No |
| 19:47.19 | pickcoder | sure? |
| 19:47.22 | pickcoder | feels like it is |
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| 19:47.25 | h3sp4wn | Its tuesday |
| 19:47.25 | pickcoder | <g> |
| 19:47.55 | tralala | @monday |
| 19:47.55 | ravenbird | Looks like someone is having a case of the mondays! |
| 19:48.03 | ^Timo^ | stew : http://pastebin.ca/805905 |
| 19:48.07 | ^Timo^ | thats my sources.list |
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| 19:48.40 | stew | ^Timo^: and what exactly happens when you run "aptitude update"? |
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| 19:49.25 | Diafic | I'm so tired. Bed tiem. Night! |
| 19:49.25 | ^Timo^ | it gives the same error |
| 19:49.33 | Caemyr | what error |
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| 19:49.39 | pickcoder | the MMap error |
| 19:49.46 | pickcoder | which evidentially hasn't been fixed |
| 19:49.47 | ^Timo^ | yes the MMap error |
| 19:50.37 | ross` | how do i msg a user on my server |
| 19:50.51 | ^Timo^ | done |
| 19:50.53 | ^Timo^ | fixed |
| 19:50.54 | ^Timo^ | :) |
| 19:50.55 | ^Timo^ | okay. |
| 19:50.57 | chops | ross`: wall |
| 19:51.15 | pickcoder | ross`: mail? |
| 19:51.18 | pickcoder | heh |
| 19:51.18 | stew | ^Timo^: please show us the exact command you typed and the exact error |
| 19:51.32 | chops | ross`: Err 'write' rather |
| 19:51.34 | ^Timo^ | i fixed it allready stew |
| 19:51.40 | stew | ^Timo^: how did you fix it? |
| 19:51.41 | ^Timo^ | hmm hmm.. |
| 19:51.57 | tralala | ^Timo^, good, could you move on to installing an etch kernel now? Please? |
| 19:52.04 | ^Timo^ | deleting /etc/apt/apt.conf |
| 19:52.11 | ^Timo^ | yes |
| 19:52.12 | ^Timo^ | we can |
| 19:52.13 | ^Timo^ | :) |
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| 19:52.34 | ^Timo^ | tell me which kernel i must install and the url where i can donwload or command which i must enter? |
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| 19:52.59 | chops | (2:33:55 PM) tralala: ^Timo^, aptitude install linux-image-2.6-686 |
| 19:53.15 | ^Timo^ | again ? |
| 19:53.29 | ^Timo^ | did i do the wrong kernel update? |
| 19:53.43 | ^Timo^ | okay |
| 19:53.46 | chops | ^Timo^: If you've done that already, then you have an etch kernel. Congratulation! |
| 19:53.51 | chops | ^Timo^: Reboot into it. |
| 19:54.03 | ^Timo^ | stew : help me out |
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| 19:54.19 | ^Timo^ | stew : you sayd to me i must update the kernel into another one |
| 19:54.23 | ^Timo^ | can you explain why ? |
| 19:54.29 | koolhead17 | ^Timo^: go for dist upgarde |
| 19:54.42 | ^Timo^ | have done that koolhead17 all done |
| 19:54.43 | ^Timo^ | no errors |
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| 19:54.47 | koolhead17 | apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 19:54.52 | stew | koolhead17: no |
| 19:54.54 | stew | ^Timo^: becuase you are running an old kernel which is not supported. |
| 19:54.58 | tralala | because etch is build upon 2.6.18 - it needs it to function properly |
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| 19:55.08 | ^Timo^ | okay |
| 19:55.09 | ^Timo^ | so |
| 19:55.20 | ^Timo^ | i must do : aptitude install linux-image-2.6-686 ?" |
| 19:55.28 | stew | ^Timo^: there is software in etch that requires a newer than 2.6.8 kernel. also, the kernel you were running was likely vulnerable to security problems which wouldn't get fixed |
| 19:55.45 | ^Timo^ | okay |
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| 19:56.23 | niklas | I'm trying to install nvidia drivers for my graphics card. dpkg suggest installing it by using apt-get. But the package cannot be found on any of the repositories in my list. I did a search on www.apt-get.org, but these packages seem to be very rare as I could only find a few matches. Is apt-get.org just not indexing many repositories? Is there any good repository that I can add which might have these packages? |
| 19:56.50 | chops | niklas: /msg aptitude nvidia |
| 19:56.58 | chops | niklas: What version of Debian are you running? |
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| 19:58.30 | niklas | chops: I'm running Debian 4.0 |
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| 19:58.48 | Caemyr | guys if i have compiled my kernel but it seems that some necessary modules have not been selected, do i have to compile it again? or is there a way to add them somehow? |
| 19:59.10 | chops | Caemyr: Why did you compile your own kernel instead of using a Debian kernel image? |
| 19:59.28 | extor | Is there a super quick way in OfficeWriter to just zap all the linebreaks in a document? |
| 19:59.30 | niklas | chops: thank you, looks like a good guide. I was looking at it earlier, but then I found out about the nvidia one-liner from dpkg, and want to give it a shot |
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| 20:00.08 | Caemyr | i`m talking specificaly about usb_storage and intel8x0 |
| 20:00.23 | Caemyr | chops: a drive for knowledge? |
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| 20:00.45 | Caemyr | debian image is rather large, universal |
| 20:01.08 | stew | Caemyr: did you use make-kpkg to compile your kernel? |
| 20:01.13 | Caemyr | yes |
| 20:01.29 | chops | Caemyr: Probably reconfiguring and recompiling the kernel is your best option. |
| 20:01.41 | stew | Caemyr: there is not a way with make-kpkg to recompile just part of the kernel, it will clean as its first stop |
| 20:01.57 | Caemyr | so no adding new modules? |
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| 20:02.32 | Caemyr | there is other thing, at boot i`m prompted about some files in modules.dep being inaccessible |
| 20:02.34 | Caemyr | or missing |
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| 20:02.53 | guillaume1 | hello, is it possible to transfer mails from evolution to icedove ? |
| 20:02.54 | Caemyr | well, i`ll try with the new kernel then |
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| 20:03.48 | Jyzygzel- | how do i move all the files in the current directory thats start with dot (.) to another place? |
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| 20:04.13 | chops | Jyzygzel-: for x in .*; do [ -f $x ] && mv -i $x /the/new/place; done |
| 20:04.16 | stew | Jyzygzel-: mv .* /some/other/place |
| 20:05.22 | eldowan | stew: wouldn't that also try to move the file .. ? |
| 20:05.28 | Jyzygzel- | yes |
| 20:05.32 | stew | Jyzygzel-: mine will also move directories starting with dot. don't know if that is what you want |
| 20:05.40 | chops | eldowan: On my system . and .. are not included in .* |
| 20:05.44 | Jyzygzel- | sure |
| 20:05.47 | Jyzygzel- | thats fine |
| 20:05.49 | chops | eldowan: That's probably for the best all things considered |
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| 20:06.03 | Jyzygzel- | wtf |
| 20:06.08 | stew | eldowan: depends on the shell. it wouldn't be able to move .. if it tried anyway |
| 20:06.10 | Jyzygzel- | cp: omitting directory `.autoinsert' |
| 20:06.11 | ^Timo^ | okay |
| 20:06.13 | Jyzygzel- | why |
| 20:06.18 | Jyzygzel- | what does ommit mean |
| 20:06.19 | ^Timo^ | done with kernel update |
| 20:06.22 | ^Timo^ | xserver starts |
| 20:06.25 | Enverex | "leaving out" |
| 20:06.26 | stew | Jyzygzel-: becuase cp skips all directories by default |
| 20:06.42 | Jyzygzel- | can i add -a |
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| 20:07.11 | stew | Jyzygzel-: yes |
| 20:07.24 | eldowan | guys enjoy |
| 20:07.32 | Jyzygzel- | cp: cannot stat `*.': No such file or directory |
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| 20:08.15 | chops | Jyzygzel-: Probably work better if you typed it correctly ;-) |
| 20:08.25 | Jyzygzel- | what |
| 20:08.35 | chops | Jyzygzel-: .* instead of *. |
| 20:08.43 | rdz | hi all. is there any option for rsync to not delete the actually transered file, when connection gets lost? |
| 20:08.49 | Enverex | Jyzygzel-, You were told mv, not cp and to use .* not *, |
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| 20:09.02 | xingu | probably a better idea to use .[^.]* too |
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| 20:09.08 | Jyzygzel- | stiill no |
| 20:09.14 | Jyzygzel- | the directory didn't go |
| 20:09.38 | Jyzygzel- | cp: will not create hard link `/home/foo/.autoinsert' to directory `/home/foo/./.autoinsert' |
| 20:09.53 | stew | Jyzygzel-: what command did you type? |
| 20:10.04 | chops | Jyzygzel-: What exactly are you typing? Feel free to use pastebin. |
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| 20:10.05 | Jyzygzel- | cp -a .* /home/foo |
| 20:10.21 | stew | Jyzygzel-: what does "pwd" return? |
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| 20:10.21 | Jyzygzel- | im in /home/foo/emacs-config-0.7.7 |
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| 20:10.58 | Jyzygzel- | i need to copy the shit inside to my home |
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| 20:11.09 | Enverex | If I want to pipe the stdout output of a program to a file but ONLY after 20 seconds have passed, is there any way I can do it? |
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| 20:11.38 | Jyzygzel- | Enverex sleep |
| 20:11.40 | stew | Jyzygzel-: cp -r /home/foo/emacs-config-0.7.7/.* /home/foo/ |
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| 20:11.54 | Enverex | Jyzygzel-, Not sure how that could work with logging piped output |
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| 20:12.25 | Jyzygzel- | stew still get the same hardlink stuff |
| 20:12.26 | daaf | hello |
| 20:12.40 | Jyzygzel- | well i don't care |
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| 20:12.44 | chops | Enverex: cmd | (cat > /dev/null; cat > /the/output/file); sleep 20; kill `pidof cat` |
| 20:12.48 | daaf | is there a way to track your laptop when stolen? |
| 20:12.54 | daaf | with gps devices or somehow? |
| 20:13.01 | chops | Enverex: (Not tested, of course) |
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| 20:13.19 | stew | `pidof cat` might be a bit agressive |
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| 20:13.26 | chops | Enverex: Er, sorry. "& sleep 20", not "; sleep 20" |
| 20:13.37 | ^Timo^ | okay folks |
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| 20:13.41 | stew | and sleep 20 wouldn't execute until the cmd had finished, right? |
| 20:13.43 | ^Timo^ | i have done the kernel update |
| 20:13.45 | keex | alloha! |
| 20:13.48 | ^Timo^ | and it starts |
| 20:13.53 | chops | stew: Only if you have other cat processes running as the same user. It's probably not the best, true. |
| 20:13.56 | ^Timo^ | but it gives alot of errors |
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| 20:14.04 | pdani_ | hi |
| 20:14.05 | ^Timo^ | at startup |
| 20:14.14 | chops | ^Timo^: What errors? |
| 20:14.22 | ^Timo^ | anyone knows the log from startup |
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| 20:14.33 | Enverex | chops, I need it to start logging after 20 seconds, not to stop logging after 20 seconds... |
| 20:14.35 | abrotman | !bootlog |
| 20:14.39 | abrotman | argh |
| 20:14.41 | abrotman | aptitude: bootlog |
| 20:14.42 | aptitude | rumour has it, bootlogd is disabled by default. Change /etc/default/bootlogd to "Yes" to get your /var/log/boot file. For the reason behind the default, see http://bugs.debian.org/213028 (fixed since sysvinit 2.86.ds1-11). Not a command (as opposed to dmesg) |
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| 20:14.57 | ^Timo^ | kay |
| 20:15.39 | chops | Enverex: Killing the first cat after 20 seconds will cause the second cat to start running, which is what will actually do the logging. |
| 20:15.45 | Enverex | aaaah |
| 20:15.45 | Enverex | k |
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| 20:15.52 | pdani_ | what do you think about this asus eeepc? for example, is it possible to watch youtube videos with that processor? can it compete in usage value with other laptops? |
| 20:16.13 | abrotman | pdani_: welcome to #debian |
| 20:16.14 | stew | pdani_: try #hardware |
| 20:16.31 | Enverex | chops, That seems to work, thanks |
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| 20:16.38 | pdani_ | oh f*ck, wrong channel, sorry |
| 20:16.42 | Enverex | or not |
| 20:16.43 | nepbabu | !beer |
| 20:16.45 | mot | if i have snmpd setup |
| 20:16.49 | nepbabu | wtf |
| 20:16.52 | mot | how do i make snmp listen on something other than localhost? |
| 20:16.53 | Enverex | chops, The file is empty, heh |
| 20:17.03 | nepbabu | where's dpkg? |
| 20:17.05 | nepbabu | :/ |
| 20:17.05 | chops | Enverex: If you actually want to do it right, there's a way (by saying something like "cat > /dev/null & PID=$!; sleep 20; kill $PID; cat > /file/to/log" inside the parentheses). I just gave you the first thing that came to mind. |
| 20:17.11 | sciolizer | chroot /chroot says "cannot run command `/bin/bash': No such file or directory", even though ls /chroot/bin/bash shows it. Ideas? |
| 20:17.14 | abrotman | nepbabu: dead |
| 20:17.19 | nepbabu | abrotman, hey man |
| 20:17.20 | nepbabu | :) |
| 20:17.26 | asg | mot: read the documentation (manpages and /usr/share/doc/<pkg>) |
| 20:17.39 | mot | wow, thanks for no help at all man. |
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| 20:17.43 | mot | like i haven't read the docs... |
| 20:17.45 | Enverex | chops, Ok, hold that thought |
| 20:17.48 | pdani_ | sciolizer, permissions? |
| 20:17.52 | koolhead17 | lol |
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| 20:18.04 | asg | mot: apparently not |
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| 20:18.37 | Caemyr | is usb_storage not listed in make config? |
| 20:18.53 | sciolizer | pdani_: bash is executable by everyone. I created the chrooted environment using /usr/share/doc/libpam-chroot/examples/setup-chrootdir-shell.sh |
| 20:19.01 | Enverex | chops, Erm, I don't see where the command would go in the second one, or is it just "whatever |" then all that? |
| 20:19.17 | chops | Caemyr: USB storage is definitely enabled in standard Debian kernel images. |
| 20:19.17 | stew | Caemyr: its CONFIG_USB_STORAGE |
| 20:19.17 | abrotman | Caemyr: usb mass storage? |
| 20:19.20 | Anthro | This is more about GNU diff than Debian in particular, so slightly offtopic. Is there a flag to get a recursive diff to just show differing files without the actual line differences? |
| 20:19.22 | nepbabu | never enough socks |
| 20:19.24 | nepbabu | need socks |
| 20:19.26 | asg | mot: snmpd(8) ; /listen ; hit 'n' 3 times or so |
| 20:19.57 | sciolizer | The only thing that looks out of place is that when I do `ldd /chroot/bin/bash`, it says it needs linux-gate.so.1, and I don't have that on my system. But maybe that's ok. |
| 20:19.59 | chops | Enverex: /command/to/run | (cat > /dev/null & sleep 20; kill $!; cat > /file/to/log/to) |
| 20:20.12 | pdani_ | sciolizer, can you run any other binaries in that chroot? maybe a static-compiled one? |
| 20:20.18 | Caemyr | yes, usb mass storage |
| 20:20.28 | ^Timo^ | hmm hmm |
| 20:20.32 | ^Timo^ | quiet strange |
| 20:20.45 | ^Timo^ | but i can't found a error in /var/log/boot |
| 20:20.47 | ^Timo^ | :/ |
| 20:20.50 | stew | Anthro: -q |
| 20:20.57 | ^Timo^ | when i boot there pops up alot of errrors |
| 20:21.01 | sciolizer | pdani_: no other binaries can be run in the chroot, but you may have a point about staticly compiled. I don't think any of them are statically compiled. What would be a good test? sash, perhaps? |
| 20:21.04 | chops | sciolizer: You can try sash |
| 20:21.04 | ^Timo^ | streaming all over the screen |
| 20:21.04 | Exy | chops, bash: !: event not found |
| 20:21.05 | nepbabu | i can diff bloody word document |
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| 20:21.15 | sciolizer | chops: ok |
| 20:21.17 | nepbabu | how do i diff word doc? |
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| 20:21.28 | Anthro | stew: Marvelous, thank you! |
| 20:21.28 | abrotman | nepbabu: ask MS |
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| 20:21.38 | nepbabu | O..o |
| 20:21.39 | Anthro | nepbabu: convert to text, use diff. |
| 20:21.40 | h3sp4wn | nepbabu: You could use - catdoc |
| 20:21.46 | Caemyr | yes, its in the default kernel config, but there is no entry for it when i try to make xconfig |
| 20:21.47 | ^Timo^ | why does it not give me all the things i see on loading linux |
| 20:21.48 | ^Timo^ | :/ |
| 20:21.50 | nepbabu | oh well nice h3sp4wn |
| 20:21.50 | ^Timo^ | anyone ? |
| 20:22.08 | abrotman | ^Timo^: it looks nice to me .. be more specific |
| 20:22.10 | stew | ^Timo^: because there is nowhere to log them, since there are not yet any disks mounted |
| 20:22.28 | sciolizer | Fantastic, sash worked. I guess I need static builds of bash, etc.? |
| 20:22.45 | keex | how do I apply DEBIAN-kernel patches? |
| 20:22.46 | stew | ^Timo^: are the errors in dmesg? |
| 20:23.13 | sciolizer | chops: thanks |
| 20:23.16 | sciolizer | pdani_: thanks |
| 20:23.18 | ^Timo^ | stew : yes they are |
| 20:23.19 | ^Timo^ | thanks |
| 20:23.26 | ^Timo^ | its huge |
| 20:23.32 | chops | sciolizer: Or you could use debootstrap to install a working system in your chroot. There's not likely to be a lot of middle ground, though I guess you could try to find all the shared libraries that your various binaries need. |
| 20:23.38 | ^Timo^ | must i paste everthing in a pastebin ? |
| 20:24.03 | stew | ^Timo^: if you have a question, just ask it. if you want help with a particular error, tell us what the error is |
| 20:24.07 | Exy | chops, Didn't work, just said "bash: !: event not found" |
| 20:24.08 | sciolizer | chops: ultimately I'm just going to have scponly running as the shell, so I don't need a full system. |
| 20:24.08 | CyberGabber | mot: check here for 'listening adresses' http://techpubs.sgi.com/library/tpl/cgi-bin/getdoc.cgi?coll=linux&db=man&fname=/usr/share/catman/man8/snmpd.8.html&srch=snmpd |
| 20:24.16 | pdani_ | sciolizer, ltrace, and find out what's missing |
| 20:24.19 | wols | tim__b: you can paste here and get flamed and kicked by debhelper too. your choice |
| 20:24.22 | chops | Exy: Can you pastebin the whole command and the error? |
| 20:24.23 | mot | i'm looking |
| 20:24.31 | mot | i'm just not sure where to pass those args to snmpd |
| 20:24.34 | asg | CyberGabber: why point him to a webpage if he has the manpage on his box !?! |
| 20:24.48 | Exy | chops, It's only one line and that was the entire error -- WINEDEBUG=d3d,d3d_shader,d3d_decl wine BF2.exe | (cat > /dev/null & sleep 40; kill $!; cat > /home/enverex/Desktop/BF2.log) |
| 20:24.53 | Caemyr | anyway, can i just add the line with CONFIG_USB_STORAGE to .config manually? |
| 20:24.54 | mot | because we love being redundant. |
| 20:25.36 | chops | Exy: Are you using bash? |
| 20:25.47 | Exy | chops, yes, hence why it was bash that complained |
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| 20:25.51 | Caemyr | can i add the line with CONFIG_USB_STORAGE to kernel .config manually? |
| 20:25.53 | chops | Exy: Huh |
| 20:25.57 | Exy | chops, Didn't work, just said "bash: !: event not found" |
| 20:26.05 | sciolizer | pdani_: ok, thanks for the tip. I was going to use 'ldd', but is that not sufficient? |
| 20:26.18 | Exy | chops, If I wasn't using bash then it wouldn't be bash that complains that the event wasn't found |
| 20:26.32 | abrotman | CyberGabber: that is the *same* man page he already can't read |
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| 20:27.20 | stew | Caemyr: in make menuconfig, you can search for it by hitting / and typing "USB_STORAGE" |
| 20:28.39 | enouf | Do we still need the "x11-common" or "xfree86-common" packages for Etch's (and up) Xorg? |
| 20:28.50 | ross` | i need help. i made a file index.html w/ th e user and it said permission denied ( in their home directory.. then i did it with root but now the user can't edit it and save |
| 20:28.53 | Caemyr | ok thx |
| 20:29.13 | mot | asg: where do i pass these args to snmpd? |
| 20:29.41 | asg | mot: /etc/default/snmpd (as mentioned in /usr/share/doc/snmpd/README.Debian) |
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| 20:29.49 | abrotman | enouf: x11-common probably .. doubtful on the other |
| 20:29.56 | abrotman | enouf: just try to purge them! :) |
| 20:30.10 | ross` | i need help. i made a file index.html w/ th e user and it said permission denied ( in their home directory.. then i did it with root but now the user can't edit it and save |
| 20:30.18 | chops | Exy: Okay. /command/to/run | (cat > /dev/null & sleep 20; kill "$\!"; cat > /file/to/log/to) |
| 20:30.27 | chops | Exy: See also the Unix Hater's Handbook chapter on shells |
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| 20:30.35 | Exy | lol, ok, thanks chops |
| 20:31.21 | abrotman | ross`: change perms |
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| 20:32.01 | stew | ross`: http://wiki.debian.org/Permissions |
| 20:32.13 | ^Timo^ | okay |
| 20:32.17 | ^Timo^ | http://pastebin.ca/805947 |
| 20:32.24 | ^Timo^ | thats what dmesg says |
| 20:33.04 | enouf | abrotman: hah! |
| 20:33.15 | abrotman | enouf: HI! |
| 20:33.20 | abrotman | oh .. he wasn't saying hi |
| 20:33.22 | enouf | abrotman: howdy ;-) |
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| 20:33.47 | ^Timo^ | hmm hmm |
| 20:33.58 | ross` | OK THIS IS COMPLETEY PISSING ME OFF. MY USER MADE A FILE CALLED INDEx.HTML and it wouldnt let him save it!!!!!!! |
| 20:33.59 | ^Timo^ | i see where the problem lays |
| 20:34.05 | ross` | he made it inside his home directory!!!!!! |
| 20:34.06 | ^Timo^ | its my primary hdd |
| 20:34.09 | ross` | this is f*cked up!!!!! |
| 20:34.14 | ^Timo^ | stew : you know how to fix |
| 20:34.15 | ross` | WY WON'T IT SAVE ITS IN HIS HOME DIRECTORY |
| 20:34.21 | ^Timo^ | perhaps anyone else ? |
| 20:34.23 | stew | ross`: please don't use caps, or extra punctuation |
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| 20:34.34 | ross` | sorry this is really pissing me off thou |
| 20:34.36 | asg | ross`: what are the permissions on the home directory? what are the permissions on the file? |
| 20:34.57 | stew | ross`: you need to learn about unix filesystem permissions. did you see hte link i posted to you before? |
| 20:35.01 | ross` | he just made the fike.. "nano index.html" ( in his home directory) and then saved it |
| 20:35.04 | ross` | it said permission denied |
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| 20:35.16 | nws | ross`: thats a temp file |
| 20:35.17 | ross` | its his home directory!!!! |
| 20:35.22 | stew | ^Timo^: it looks like your hard drive is failing. you should back it up whatever important files are on there |
| 20:35.27 | ross` | its in his hoem directory! |
| 20:35.27 | nws | so he didnt "create" it |
| 20:35.41 | ross` | yo ucan edit anything in there! |
| 20:35.42 | stew | ross`: what does "ls -l index.html" return? |
| 20:35.49 | asg | ross`: that may or may not be relevant. Either paste the permissions as requested or stfu and read |
| 20:36.04 | nws | lol |
| 20:36.05 | ^Timo^ | hmm.. |
| 20:36.08 | ross` | the files don;t exist cause he can't create it!!! |
| 20:36.09 | ^Timo^ | it is the main hdd |
| 20:36.11 | ross` | he makes it |
| 20:36.11 | nws | i <3 #debian |
| 20:36.16 | ross` | then tries to save it |
| 20:36.19 | ^Timo^ | where my linux is running on |
| 20:36.19 | ross` | and it sdoesnt exist |
| 20:36.22 | asg | ross`: then paste the permissions of the home directory in question |
| 20:36.23 | ross` | it won't let him save it |
| 20:36.29 | nws | ross`: have him to 'touch index.html' |
| 20:36.37 | enouf | i never figured out what the "FontPath unix/:7100" line was for in XF86Config{-4}/xorg.conf, even after reviewing "http://wiki.debian.org/XStrikeForce/FAQ#fixedfont" (i understand it's for non-remote, or local fonst server? .. or do i) .. I mean what's necessary in order for that line to work? |
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| 20:36.38 | nws | but i know what will happen there too |
| 20:36.42 | ^Timo^ | must i format my hdd |
| 20:36.45 | ross` | 800662 website |
| 20:36.53 | nws | wth is that? |
| 20:36.54 | ross` | is what ls -i /home/austin shows |
| 20:36.57 | asg | ross`: ls -l /path/to/directory |
| 20:36.58 | stew | ^Timo^: if it is fact a problem with your hard drive, then formatting it won't help. |
| 20:37.04 | valdyn | ross`: why are you unable to paste the output of 'ls -l ~/index.html' ? |
| 20:37.05 | ^Timo^ | and reinstall debian. ? (zero format?) |
| 20:37.06 | asg | ross`: -l, not -i |
| 20:37.06 | ross` | i just did that! |
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| 20:37.09 | nws | -i is for inode genius |
| 20:37.14 | stew | ^Timo^: wouldn't help |
| 20:37.14 | ross` | oih ok |
| 20:37.17 | enouf | er, which package(s)? is what i'm asking, is it xfs, xttfs ? |
| 20:37.18 | stew | ^Timo^: you might check the drive with smartmontools |
| 20:37.29 | ross` | drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 4096 2007-12-04 02:13 website |
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| 20:37.31 | ross` | yea k |
| 20:37.33 | ross` | that's the issue |
| 20:37.34 | asg | ross`: that's why |
| 20:37.37 | ross` | wy did it do that thou |
| 20:37.39 | ross` | o.O |
| 20:37.42 | ross` | why would it do that.. |
| 20:37.42 | nws | hahaha |
| 20:37.51 | nws | you dont really know what you are doing, do you? |
| 20:37.53 | ross` | i mean when yo ucreate a user.. it makes it so they can edit in their directory.. |
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| 20:38.06 | nws | change the owner of the directory |
| 20:38.09 | ross` | its always worked before.. |
| 20:38.14 | nws | uh huh |
| 20:38.14 | enouf | sorry, these are the correct pkg names (lenny/sid mix) xfstt, xfs, x11-xfs-utils |
| 20:38.20 | stew | ross`: no, a user doens't necessarily get to edit files in their home directory. they get to edit files which they have write permission to |
| 20:38.22 | ross` | how do i do that |
| 20:38.26 | nws | lol |
| 20:38.32 | ross` | how do i give them permission then |
| 20:38.37 | ross` | chmod somethign |
| 20:38.37 | asg | ross`: man chmod |
| 20:38.39 | stew | ross`: man chmod |
| 20:38.40 | ross` | idk exactly what |
| 20:38.49 | ross` | >< |
| 20:38.53 | stew | ross`: http://wiki.debian.org/Permissions |
| 20:38.55 | ross` | what's the public permission.. |
| 20:39.01 | nws | ross`: stfu and read |
| 20:39.05 | stew | stop |
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| 20:39.18 | ross` | that file is like a book! |
| 20:39.24 | stew | ross`: yeah, a good one |
| 20:39.28 | nws | ross`: stop whining |
| 20:39.38 | ross` | ccan yo atleast tell me what to search for..? |
| 20:39.43 | nws | ... |
| 20:39.47 | ross` | i don't wana spend 5 hors reading all of it |
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| 20:39.52 | ross` | if yo think i shold. that's cruel |
| 20:39.57 | ross` | yo could easially help[ me here |
| 20:40.04 | stew | ross`: please stop hitting enter so much |
| 20:40.05 | valdyn | ross`: you could just read like anyone |
| 20:40.09 | nws | yes, we could |
| 20:40.14 | valdyn | ross`: if you cant read - get a screenreader or somesuch |
| 20:40.16 | nws | but you'd come back for help always |
| 20:40.26 | nws | ross`: btw, welcome to linux |
| 20:40.43 | stew | ross`: don't spend 5 hours reading it. just read it. if you have specific questions about it, feel free to ask |
| 20:41.19 | humbolto | does anybody know how I can chop some videofile in small (1min) pieces on the command line? figure wih transcode or ffmpeg. |
| 20:41.23 | chops | ross`: They could also easily not help you. It's not "cruel" to ask people to read documentation for themselves; it's just good sense so as to avoid getting overwhelmed with "I'm looking for a Linux photoshop clone and can't be bothered to use google, pls help" questions. |
| 20:41.25 | stew | ross`: this is all pretty basic stuff you should know before you run a multi-user system. if the task of getting to know this stuff seems like a lot to you, i'd suggest hiring someone who knows this stuff |
| 20:41.47 | ross` | ok i searched - and read.. i don't uinderstand it.. if i knew what i was looking for.. what the permission was called.. |
| 20:41.58 | nws | ross`: go back to windows |
| 20:42.05 | nws | and get off irc |
| 20:42.08 | stew | nws: stop |
| 20:42.12 | nws | arite |
| 20:42.19 | stew | nws: if he is annoying you, use /ignore |
| 20:42.23 | ross` | this has ALWAYS worked before |
| 20:42.25 | chops | ross`: Just chown the file back to the user; it's currently owned by root |
| 20:42.25 | stew | ross`: what are the current permissions of the file? |
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| 20:42.31 | ross` | i ran intoi this issue l;ike 7 months ago |
| 20:42.35 | ross` | its a chmod permission |
| 20:42.36 | nws | stew: thats just no fun |
| 20:42.38 | ross` | i just odnt know which one |
| 20:42.39 | nws | :P |
| 20:42.51 | Exy | chops, Is there any way to stop it from eching to the terminal the whole time? It's making the machine unusably slow |
| 20:42.53 | stew | ross`: what are the current permissions on the file? |
| 20:42.53 | abrotman | ross`: ls -ld /home/user/public_html/ |
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| 20:43.06 | Quibus | Hi |
| 20:43.11 | ross` | the currne tpermissions are root root |
| 20:43.14 | chops | Exy: Try adding 2>&1 immediately after the command. |
| 20:43.19 | Quibus | What's the best/sane way to try out Compiz? |
| 20:43.19 | ross` | i dn't know how that happened! |
| 20:43.26 | chops | (3:40:12 PM) chops: ross`: Just chown the file back to the user; it's currently owned by root |
| 20:43.32 | stew | ross`: that is the owner, not the permissions. |
| 20:43.36 | ross` | how would this happen |
| 20:43.38 | ross` | that i make a user and his home directory is root permissions |
| 20:43.46 | abrotman | ross`: very likely .. you created public_html as root .. not the user |
| 20:43.48 | Caemyr | stew: there was no matching results when i searched menuconfig for CONFIG_USB_STORAGE |
| 20:43.49 | Quibus | THe README.Debian is quite outdated (see bug 454340) |
| 20:43.57 | abrotman | !compiz |
| 20:44.00 | stew | ross`: the only way that it would happen is if either the root user created the file, or the root user changed the ownership of the file after it was created |
| 20:44.01 | abrotman | aptitude: compiz |
| 20:44.02 | aptitude | i heard compiz is a window and composite manager that uses OpenGL for rendering. It runs on <Xgl> and <AIGLX>. It is now in Debian and can run when AIGLX and composite are enabled for your X server. Read http://wiki.debian.org/Compiz for configuration and usage details. Current state of Compiz (et al) in unstable can be found at http://wiki.debian.org/XStrikeForce/Compiz |
| 20:44.02 | pdani_ | ross`, chown -R username:group directory |
| 20:44.13 | ross` | IM NOT USING PUBLIC_HTML |
| 20:44.14 | stew | Caemyr: search for USB_STORAGE not for CNOFIG_USB_STORAGE |
| 20:44.16 | ross` | this is /home/austin |
| 20:44.19 | stew | ross`: stop using caps |
| 20:44.21 | chops | (3:26:36 PM) ross`: i need help. i made a file index.html w/ th e user and it said permission denied ( in their home directory.. then i did it with root but now the user can't edit it and save |
| 20:44.27 | ross` | sorry |
| 20:44.28 | chops | ross`: That's how it happened. You made the file as root. |
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| 20:44.40 | ross` | ok.. but that's the only way to add a user.. |
| 20:44.51 | abrotman | with caps? |
| 20:44.59 | ross` | lol.. no |
| 20:45.09 | stew | ross`: what does adding a user have to do with anything? |
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| 20:45.23 | Caemyr | stew: several results, but everyone is like USB_STORAGE_FOO |
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| 20:45.29 | nws | stew: "it's always worked before" |
| 20:45.30 | chops | ross`: What exactly are you saying? It sounded like you just said that the only way to add a user is to add index.html. |
| 20:45.30 | stew | Caemyr: not every one |
| 20:45.37 | ross` | normally when i add a user.. it lets them edit stuff in their home directory |
| 20:45.50 | ross` | no im saying it wouldnt let him create that file |
| 20:45.51 | Exy | chops, The app seems to wait till the timer expires before opening now... |
| 20:45.57 | ross` | im using useradd |
| 20:46.05 | chops | Exy: Hm, odd |
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| 20:46.11 | hramrach | Hello |
| 20:46.14 | stew | ross`: the only way that it would happen is if either the root user created the file, or the root user changed the ownership of the file after it was created |
| 20:46.15 | nws | ross`: you need to change ownership of the directory, again |
| 20:46.24 | nws | ross`: chown user:user /path |
| 20:46.27 | Quibus | thanks abrotman |
| 20:46.29 | abrotman | ross`: paste the contents of ls -al /home/user/ |
| 20:46.31 | Quibus | trying... |
| 20:46.32 | abrotman | !paste |
| 20:46.36 | nws | jfcgdmf |
| 20:46.38 | abrotman | jesus price |
| 20:46.42 | ross` | ill just do this and see if it works.. |
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| 20:46.59 | Caemyr | stew: i`ll look again then, btw do i have to move the modules folder away when i recompile kernel from the same sources? |
| 20:47.10 | stew | Caemyr: no |
| 20:47.16 | abrotman | nws: stop |
| 20:47.19 | Caemyr | ok thx |
| 20:47.19 | Exy | aptitude, paste |
| 20:47.20 | nws | what? |
| 20:47.20 | aptitude | Do not paste more than 3 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://channels.debian.net/paste/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. |
| 20:47.30 | nws | he doesnt want to learn |
| 20:47.37 | nws | he gets to learn the hard way |
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| 20:47.39 | abrotman | nws: and you're being an ass |
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| 20:47.46 | pdani_ | now i have to go get drunk |
| 20:47.50 | pdani_ | see ya later |
| 20:47.53 | stew | you both are silenced for 10 minutes |
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| 20:48.39 | keex | I have installed linux-source-2.6.22 and linux-patch-debian-2.6.22 -- how do I now apply these patches ? |
| 20:48.54 | chops | keex: What are you ultimately trying to do? |
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| 20:49.34 | keex | chops, rebuild the kernel and still have the debian patches in the kernel |
| 20:49.42 | chops | keex: Why are you rebuilding the kernel? |
| 20:49.51 | wintix | keex: go to the kernel source directory and do 'patch -p1 < linux-patch-debian-2.6.22' |
| 20:49.55 | elmo40 | for fun! |
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| 20:50.05 | keex | chops, for vmware |
| 20:50.15 | keex | chops, I need a built kernel |
| 20:50.21 | Quibus | OK, started compiz and suddenly all my window handles are gone... What went wrong? |
| 20:50.31 | hramrach | I had a reproducible lockup with testing X on Radeon IGP3x0M chip (it does not say which one anywhere), and after installing the X from experimental it's gone. I wonder if it's worth reporting somewhere .. |
| 20:50.31 | chops | keex: /msg aptitude kernel-package |
| 20:50.45 | chops | keex: ... should get you started on building a Debian kernel with modifications |
| 20:51.02 | Exy | Quibus, Beryl died |
| 20:51.20 | Exy | Are there .23 debian kernel packages anywhere? |
| 20:51.30 | Quibus | it didn't return from the command compiz --replace |
| 20:51.54 | guillaume1 | Exy: under testing |
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| 20:52.24 | Exy | guillaume1, Really? I have the testing repo added and updated and I don't see it, do you mean experimental? |
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| 20:52.53 | keex | chops, I already know how to build a kernel the debian way |
| 20:52.56 | guillaume1 | Exy: i migrate to .23 some days ago with aptitude |
| 20:53.06 | Quibus | /usr/bin/compiz.real (core) - Fatal: GLX_EXT_texture_from_pixmap is missing |
| 20:53.09 | Quibus | arf |
| 20:53.14 | Quibus | and glxinfo is listing it! |
| 20:53.15 | keex | chops, only do i just want to know how to apply these patches |
| 20:53.33 | wintix | keex: didn't i just tell you? |
| 20:53.35 | jelly-home | Quibus: fglrx? |
| 20:53.41 | Exy | guillaume1, Seems it's just x86_64 it's not on then |
| 20:53.42 | Quibus | yep, 8.43 |
| 20:53.54 | Caemyr | stem: USB_STORAGE has been found at Device Drivers/USB Support but there is no such line present |
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| 20:53.56 | abrotman | hrm |
| 20:54.04 | chops | keex: Oh, I thought you meant the Debian patches by "these patches". I've always just hacked the source in my local directory by hand (IIRC; it's been a while). |
| 20:54.08 | Caemyr | nothing to be marked |
| 20:54.09 | guillaume1 | Exy: oups 22-3 and not .23 |
| 20:54.20 | chops | keex: There's also a way to pass extra patches as an argument to make-kpkg (again IIRC) |
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| 20:54.25 | keex | wintix, you did, but there is no patchFILE - only a patch-directory |
| 20:54.27 | jelly-home | Quibus: hmph, it was supposed to be all fixed up in 8.43.x ... last one I tried was 8.42.3 and it was known to be broken a bit |
| 20:54.35 | Quibus | jelly-home: compiz itself says: GLX_EXT_texture_from_pixmap is available with indirect rendering. |
| 20:54.38 | Exy | guillaume1, muppet |
| 20:55.02 | Caemyr | stem: only a note that USB storage enables SCSI and SCSI disk support, see USB_STORAGE help for more info, |
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| 20:55.08 | wintix | keex: in the directory might be a file. it might not, but usually is. not sure what exactly you downloaded. |
| 20:55.55 | chops | keex: Generally with patches that are external to Debian I've found it's easier to apply them by hand than it is to try to explain to kernel-package that it has to apply them. |
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| 20:56.22 | stew | Caemyr: its called "USB Mass Storage support", Depends on: HAS_IOMEM && USB && SCSI so perhaps you don't have CONFIG_HAS_IOMEM or CONFIG_SCSI enabled? |
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| 20:56.40 | stew | Caemyr: (which is why, if you just put CONFIG_USB_STORAGE into .config by hand it wouldn't have worked) |
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| 20:57.30 | keex | wintix and chops : linux-patch-debian-2.6.22 2.6.22-6 Debian patches to version 2.6.22 of the Linux kernel <--- this is what I downloaded and installed |
| 20:57.31 | Caemyr | will look for that thx |
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| 20:57.57 | nws | i just want to say... |
| 20:57.58 | nws | lol |
| 20:58.32 | keex | wintix ad chops: in /usr/src now I find ls kernel-patches/all/2.6.22/ --> apply/ debian/ unpatch/ |
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| 20:58.53 | chops | keex: You don't need to apply that patch. |
| 20:58.58 | nws | ross`: you there? |
| 20:59.04 | chops | keex: kernel-package does it for you. You said you knew about this already. |
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| 20:59.37 | keex | chops, I guess I didn't know THAT :D |
| 21:00.12 | keex | chops, what I meant was I knew how to use make-kpkg |
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| 21:01.38 | g00se | Is there anything that can auto-format source code with Vim? |
| 21:02.09 | wintix | keex: 'man make-kpkg' search for "patch" |
| 21:03.45 | ross` | it worked |
| 21:04.22 | keex | wintix, chops : HA! good old man pages... |
| 21:04.29 | chops | keex: :-)_ |
| 21:04.29 | keex | wintix, chops : thank you both |
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| 21:04.47 | keex | ...for the patience :D |
| 21:04.49 | _ke | hello |
| 21:05.25 | _ke | small question: my apache server has various processes which all run as www-data, except one, which is owned by root. is there any way, to change that? |
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| 21:06.02 | stew | _ke: which part do you want to change? |
| 21:06.05 | guillaume1 | Exy: you'll have to compile it from source |
| 21:06.06 | rocketmagnet | hi, can somebody please tell me how i can remove a service from loading at startup ? like /etc/init.d/tor |
| 21:06.16 | rocketmagnet | i don't want to delete the file |
| 21:06.25 | nws | ross`: good |
| 21:06.41 | stew | rocketmagnet: aptitude remove tor ; or update-rc.d -f tor remove |
| 21:06.42 | _ke | stew, there is one apache process, which runs as root |
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| 21:07.07 | stew | _ke: it runs as root becuase only root is allowed to bind to a port < 1024 (like port 80). are you intending to run apache on port 80 ? |
| 21:07.11 | ross` | look this sint technically a debian question but im not getting an answer in the corect channel and its easy enough: how to yo reload bind9 after changing a .hotsts file.. its liek rdcp reload or somethign |
| 21:07.26 | _ke | stew, yeah, i would like to do that |
| 21:07.31 | rocketmagnet | stew: TY !!! that's what i'm looking for - man update-rc.d =) =) |
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| 21:07.32 | rocketmagnet | ty |
| 21:07.41 | stew | ross`: rndc reload |
| 21:07.50 | ross` | thank you! |
| 21:07.58 | stew | _ke: if you want to run apache on port 80, then you need to start apache as root as you are doing now. |
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| 21:08.24 | _ke | stew, so there is nothing i have to be scared about? |
| 21:08.56 | Caemyr | stew: it worked, one more question though, selecting kernel optimisation for Athlon64, will it make kernel 64bit? |
| 21:09.06 | nws | ross`: can i have your job? |
| 21:09.07 | stew | _ke: no, this is how every linux machine running a webserver works. the actual programs that are answering requests are running as www-data anyway |
| 21:09.19 | ross` | wtf.. how is the commmand not found?? |
| 21:09.23 | _ke | stew, thats great news, thanks a lot for your help! |
| 21:09.53 | stew | Caemyr: are you compiling with a 64 bit gcc? |
| 21:09.59 | ross` | what job? |
| 21:10.08 | Caemyr | nope, and i wish to stay at 32bit |
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| 21:10.37 | rocketmagnet | stew, after a remove, how to add it back ? |
| 21:10.41 | Caemyr | so i think i`ll remain with Athlon/Duron/K7 then |
| 21:10.55 | h3sp4wn | Caemyr: When I recently tried a 64 bit kernel with a 32 bit userland it worked surprisingly well (most of the historical bugs no longer apply) |
| 21:10.55 | stew | ross`: are you trying to run it as root? it would normally be in /usr/sbin (which is on root's path, but not other users' by default) |
| 21:10.58 | rocketmagnet | has linux any troubles with 2 processor and 64 bit ? |
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| 21:11.31 | rocketmagnet | so is there something to take care about when buying new hardware ? |
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| 21:11.37 | stew | Caemyr: then it would make a 32 bit kernel afaik |
| 21:11.40 | stew | rocketmagnet: man update-rc.d |
| 21:11.43 | rocketmagnet | k |
| 21:11.46 | ross` | WTF!! ok i updated the .hosts file.. |
| 21:11.47 | _ke | stew, are there any good howtos, which explain security with apache/debian? |
| 21:12.08 | Caemyr | interesting... |
| 21:13.09 | h3sp4wn | (i.e nvidia binary driver / alsa / iptables - all nolonger an issue) |
| 21:13.15 | stew | _ke: i don't know about apache specifically, for debian, a general guide is http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/securing-debian-howto/index.en.html ; you might want to ask #apache for an apache specific guide. I don't think that debian changes anything so drastically about apache that general apache security knowlege would need to be debian specific |
| 21:13.37 | _ke | stew, you helped me again, thanks dude |
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| 21:14.00 | stew | h3sp4wn: 32 bit iptables would still be a problem with a 64 bit kernel |
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| 21:14.15 | h3sp4wn | stew: Its not any longer |
| 21:14.19 | stew | oh? |
| 21:14.26 | stew | that's good news |
| 21:14.32 | ross` | then reloaded it.. but when i dig it.. it says the same thing as before i reloaded.. |
| 21:14.40 | h3sp4wn | stew: I am certain it isn't (personal experience) |
| 21:14.42 | ross` | wtf..? |
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| 21:15.10 | stew | ross`: are you using dig to specifically query the nameserver you ran rndc reload for? |
| 21:15.28 | stew | ross`: check /var/log/deamon.log for any errors when you run rndc reload |
| 21:15.41 | ross` | ok.. i have a .hosts file for mythcoding.com |
| 21:15.55 | ross` | and i edited it to point to my server |
| 21:16.03 | stew | ross`: you might try "rndc reload somezone" to reload a specific zone. if you have more than one view, you need to reload those specifically |
| 21:16.14 | ross` | then saved successfully |
| 21:16.15 | ross` | then i reloaded it and its not opinting to me |
| 21:16.45 | stew | ross`: what exact dig command did you use? |
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| 21:18.32 | niklas | I'm trying to install NVidia drivers for my graphics card, but cannot find any repository with the packages. Does anyone know of one? |
| 21:19.33 | wols | niklas: what debian branch? |
| 21:19.58 | niklas | wols: I'm using 4.0 |
| 21:20.07 | wols | !tell niklas about nvidia |
| 21:20.13 | wols | damn bot |
| 21:20.18 | niklas | :) |
| 21:20.23 | wols | niklas: the drivers are in contrib and non-fre |
| 21:20.26 | bucky | !dam bot |
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| 21:20.29 | niklas | will /msg dpkg nvidia give me same info? |
| 21:20.30 | wols | contrib and non-free |
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| 21:20.46 | wols | niklas: dpkg is not here but when he is, it will |
| 21:20.48 | wols | @nvidia |
| 21:20.48 | ravenbird | DO NOT use nvidia.com's installer! Ask me about "nvidia installer". Instead, read "nvidia-howto" for instructions, or "nvidia one-liner" for a reminder if you've done it before. "Off to break the nvidia driver by changing the kernel interfaces again, this is becoming a fun hobby..." - Greg Kroah-Hartman, Linux kernel hacker, on linux-elitists. |
| 21:20.49 | stew | niklas: no, dpkg is vacationing, /msg aptitude nvidia |
| 21:20.51 | ross`_ | screen freeeeeeeze |
| 21:20.51 | ross`_ | :9 |
| 21:20.55 | niklas | ah ok :) |
| 21:21.34 | niklas | thank you |
| 21:21.46 | stew | 16:16 < stew> ross`: what exact dig command did you use? |
| 21:22.02 | ross`_ | stew this makes no since... /etc/bind/named.conf lists the dns file as /var/bind/mythcoding.com.hosts (on the other server. so i updated the .hosts file to my server |
| 21:22.05 | ross`_ | and reloaded |
| 21:22.12 | ross`_ | now it says exactly what it said before |
| 21:22.14 | ross`_ | its liek weird |
| 21:22.20 | ross`_ | why would it say what it said before if it was changed |
| 21:22.23 | ross`_ | and udated |
| 21:22.33 | ross`_ | it said server reload successful |
| 21:22.41 | ross`_ | this is weird.. |
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| 21:23.17 | asg | ross`_: did you increment the serial number? |
| 21:23.21 | FastPutty | any program in debian arround here to let you connect to a server and allow you to send packet |
| 21:23.33 | ross`_ | where is the serial number sectin |
| 21:23.38 | bucky | !ping FastPutty |
| 21:23.49 | FastPutty | ? |
| 21:23.50 | wols | FastPutty: every single client for any internet protocol. more than we could list |
| 21:23.51 | asg | ross`_: at the top of the zone file generally |
| 21:23.58 | bucky | did you get my packet? |
| 21:24.01 | asg | FastPutty: netcat is worth a look |
| 21:24.04 | FastPutty | wols: i heard about a program allow you to make a connection |
| 21:24.10 | FastPutty | asg: here you go :) thanks you |
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| 21:24.26 | ross`_ | $TTL 86400 |
| 21:24.26 | ross`_ | $ORIGIN mythcoding.com. |
| 21:24.26 | ross`_ | @ IN SOA ns1.serenity.kwzs.be. vagabondreader.yahoo.com. ( 2007100803 ; serial number YYMMDDNN |
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| 21:24.43 | stew | ross`_: do you know where the serial number is now? |
| 21:24.51 | toko123 | greetingas |
| 21:24.51 | ross`_ | i just pasted |
| 21:25.04 | ross`_ | 2007100803 ; serial number YYMMDDNN |
| 21:25.15 | ross`_ | i hope no one can use that against me.. |
| 21:25.17 | ross`_ | >< |
| 21:25.21 | toko123 | is there alinux appl. which will autodial around 3,000 phones in an emergency? |
| 21:25.46 | dkr | ross`_: we know your record was changed 3 or 4 times on otcober 8th. an information disclosure vulnerability, call CERN! |
| 21:25.56 | ross`_ | ? |
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| 21:26.31 | stew | ross`_: theese are all numbers that you make publicly available when your dns server is working already, so no, this is not something they could use against you |
| 21:26.40 | dkr | ross`_: it was a joke |
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| 21:26.57 | asg | ross`_: presuming your serial number increment scheme matches what you just pasted, change the serial to 2007120400 and run rndc reload |
| 21:27.02 | ilaro | hello all |
| 21:27.55 | ilaro | How can I install Linux in Wyse thin clients? Any guide exist? |
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| 21:28.33 | ross`_ | ok, anyway so do i need to change that to make it wogeto make it point the dns image to my serner |
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| 21:29.02 | stew | ross`_: if you dont' change the serial number, your dns server assumes nothing is changed and doesn't load the new zone |
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| 21:29.34 | ross`_ | ok, is there a certain thing i change it to? |
| 21:30.07 | valdyn | toko123: why cant you script that yourself? |
| 21:30.11 | asg | ross`_: a higher number than before. Many sites though suggest using to date + one or two integers to handle daily changes |
| 21:30.12 | stew | ross`_: yes, asg already told you |
| 21:30.18 | valdyn | toko123: or is this really some script kiddie talking? |
| 21:30.39 | ross`_ | so i can just add stuff? |
| 21:30.45 | ross`_ | wait.. im not sure i understna |
| 21:30.46 | ross`_ | d |
| 21:31.25 | ross`_ | im say too underqualified for what i do.. if yoc an't tell |
| 21:32.01 | ross`_ | like a baby performing brain surgery |
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| 21:32.01 | Caemyr | ross dont worry |
| 21:32.07 | Caemyr | worst can happen is the need for reinstalling |
| 21:32.18 | ross`_ | geez that erm.. preatty bad |
| 21:32.22 | Caemyr | naah |
| 21:32.26 | ross`_ | i wouldnt say that as a light thing |
| 21:32.26 | extor | How do I make a floppy which has drivers on it, so that I can install debian? Where would I get those drivers from and what would their file extensions be? |
| 21:32.27 | Caemyr | u can get used to it:P |
| 21:32.28 | stew | or his machine gets owned, and it starts doing damage to other machines |
| 21:32.36 | Caemyr | as long as its not your production system |
| 21:32.43 | ross`_ | could someone tell me what to change the serial too? |
| 21:32.55 | stew | ross`_: why don't you like asg's suggestion? |
| 21:32.57 | asg | ross`_: presuming your serial number increment scheme matches what you just pasted, change the serial to 2007120400 and run rndc reload |
| 21:33.20 | valdyn | ross`_: that "serial" is just the current date/time usually |
| 21:33.38 | ross`_ | do i need to set it to my server's serial./. or does it mean somethign with the registrar.. or idk |
| 21:33.48 | valdyn | ross`_: higher number means newer |
| 21:33.54 | valdyn | ross`_: thats all |
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| 21:34.32 | ross`_ | omg i just realized it was a date.. sorry all.. lol.. |
| 21:34.34 | stew | ross`_: it uniquely refines a revision of a zone file. higher numbers mean newer revisions. so anytime you make chagnes to the zone that you want to have published, you change the serial number so all the involved DNS servers know we are talking about a new revision |
| 21:34.57 | toko123 | valdyn: don't get your reference sorry |
| 21:35.00 | stew | ross`_: yes 2007100803 indicates that it was changed 3 or 4 times on oct. 8 2007 |
| 21:35.20 | ross`_ | ok |
| 21:35.24 | ross`_ | sorry for that stupidity |
| 21:35.45 | Caemyr | dont apologise |
| 21:35.51 | ross`_ | thank yo all |
| 21:35.52 | ross`_ | that was kinda gay |
| 21:35.53 | ross`_ | ermn, |
| 21:35.54 | Caemyr | and dont kiss |
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| 21:36.03 | ross`_ | :P |
| 21:36.25 | Caemyr | lol |
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| 21:37.42 | J-_ | I just did a net install and it says uswsusp's configuration file not active. blah blah, Continue without a valid swap partition? what should I do? I only have 256mb of ram in this machine, and I thought it created a swap partition prior to the installation. |
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| 21:38.15 | valdyn | J-_: cat /proc/swaps |
| 21:38.26 | stew | themill: what are people going to do in the year 2148! |
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| 21:38.52 | themill | stew: 2038 probably worries more ;) |
| 21:39.01 | asg | stew: maybe windows will be usable then and we won't need bind9 |
| 21:39.02 | sneex | 64 bits people |
| 21:39.05 | J-_ | valdyn: Should I continue without valid swap? it's a yes or no question on the screen. |
| 21:39.11 | stew | actually we probably have until 4295 |
| 21:39.29 | valdyn | J-_: oh you are still in the installer? |
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| 21:39.34 | J-_ | valdyn: yes |
| 21:39.38 | valdyn | J-_: no, if you want one |
| 21:39.51 | J-_ | k brb |
| 21:40.40 | stew | sneex: that would require a new system, serial is defined as 32 bits in dns |
| 21:40.40 | Caemyr | asg: whats wrong with windows?:P |
| 21:40.55 | sneex | i know =) |
| 21:40.57 | J-_ | Weird, I thought it said it allocated 600mb+ of swap in teh partitioner. |
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| 21:41.03 | asg | Caemyr: more things than I have time to explain right now. |
| 21:41.13 | ross`_ | woot |
| 21:41.14 | Caemyr | cmon |
| 21:41.15 | ross`_ | everything works now |
| 21:41.16 | ross`_ | :) |
| 21:41.19 | Caemyr | its not that bad |
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| 21:41.44 | Quibus | gntie |
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| 21:43.55 | penpen` | is it possible to set up ip ranges in debian similar to how you can do it in redhat? (i.e. specify starting IP, a number, and it will bind all of those ips within that range to the selected interface) |
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| 21:44.03 | asg | sneex: it was a great improvement over the non-scaleability of /etc/hosts |
| 21:44.34 | sneex | asg: my point being that the bind9 32-bit serial isnt a date -- just looks like one |
| 21:45.06 | abrotman | whoa ... |
| 21:45.06 | asg | sneex: no, the date convention is just that, a convention. All bind cares about is a number that increases between zone changes |
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| 21:45.16 | abrotman | sneex: he's saying the same thing :) |
| 21:45.27 | sneex | roger that |
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| 21:46.46 | AcidBurn | Please, has anyone use the Portable VNC viewer? I could need some help! for PSP.. |
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| 21:48.17 | Pobega | I'm looking to delete an old chroot...As long as nothing is mounted there I should be safe to `rm -rf` it, correct? I'm just looking for confirmation of this before I do anything. |
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| 21:51.00 | abrotman | Pobega: you could just mv it .. if nothing breaks .. rm it |
| 21:51.11 | wAndyw78 | I can reproduce a crash from gftp and want to report this bug. Tried already bug-buddy but shouldn't this app automatically start if a prgramm segvaults? |
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| 21:51.41 | abrotman | wAndyw78: you should use reportbug |
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| 21:53.12 | chops | Pobega: I keep a directory ~/trash for exactly such difficult decisions. When my disk gets full and ~/trash is large I delete ~/trash |
| 21:53.19 | chops | Pobega: Make sure not to delete ~ /trash |
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| 21:53.35 | chops | Pobega: Or ~/ trash or anything similar |
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| 21:54.26 | chops | Pobega: But if there's nothing you care about in the directory, there's no way for an rm -rf to "escape" from that directory and start causing harm elsewhere, no matter how weird the stuff in the directory is, if that's what you're asking. |
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| 21:56.08 | stew | Pobega: just make sure you haven't mounted anything inside the chroot |
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| 21:56.34 | stew | Pobega: lots of people have forgotten, for instance, that they --bind mount their home directory into the chroot |
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| 21:56.56 | chops | stew: Ooh, that's a good point. I guess I should be careful before saying "no matter how weird"... |
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| 21:59.22 | ^Timo^ | Evening fellows |
| 21:59.25 | bolt | Gah. How do you explain to your no-talent IT-manager at work that unencrypting the wireless network and limiting internet access based on IP, which is handed out based on MAC, is a horribly insecure way of doing it? |
| 22:00.09 | ^Timo^ | i have a question |
| 22:00.10 | asg | bolt: have your IT manager use that infrastructure while you sniff packets |
| 22:00.26 | ^Timo^ | anyone has experience with metasploit ? |
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| 22:00.40 | stew | bolt: show him. challenge him to use the wireless while preventing you from doing show. then sit there and tell him what websites he's going to just by watching tcpdump, spoof his mac and get on with your machine... |
| 22:00.56 | Ice_Wewe | bolt: tell your IT-Manager that a slightly more secure way of handling that would be to restrict the MAC addresses allowed on the network |
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| 22:01.01 | ^Timo^ | i am trying to get the thing working on my pc |
| 22:01.07 | ^Timo^ | but i can't get it public |
| 22:01.10 | felix_da_catz | Is exim4 always installed on a debian etch 4 install? |
| 22:01.19 | chops | bolt: What stew said is good. There are packages on the internet that will harvest passwords from a packet sniffer and keep a list of passwords updated on the screen. |
| 22:01.37 | asg | bolt: the dsniff package is useful |
| 22:01.47 | bolt | I'll try that one |
| 22:01.48 | bolt | thanks |
| 22:02.06 | chops | bolt: I've had no end of failure explaining to people that telnet is insecure, however much I explain it. I've had no end of success at showing people their passwords on my screen as they're working and letting them decide whether telnet is a good idea :-). |
| 22:02.07 | asg | felix_da_catz: yes, that's the default mta |
| 22:02.21 | Caemyr | stew: while installing new kernel deb i have been asked to move current module folder somewhere away |
| 22:02.31 | felix_da_catz | So how can i make sure i remove all of it? I am trying to install postfix? |
| 22:02.54 | chops | felix_da_catz: Just let dpkg remove the package, that will ensure that it is properly replaced with postfix |
| 22:02.58 | asg | felix_da_catz: install postfix, apt-get remove --purge exim4-config |
| 22:03.28 | stew | Caemyr: all you are doing is replacing a .deb with another .deb that has more modules? it was compiled from the same source tree otehrwise? |
| 22:03.32 | felix_da_catz | asg: nice. Thanks for that. |
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| 22:03.54 | felix_da_catz | chops: I didn't get the option while installing dpkg to remove exim. |
| 22:04.12 | felix_da_catz | I am sure i just didn't use a switch. I will check that out. |
| 22:04.20 | chops | felix_da_catz: If you install postfix properly, apt will definitely insist on removing your existing MTA. |
| 22:04.21 | ^Timo^ | anyone knows how to get metasploit public and accessable from the oudside |
| 22:04.23 | stew | felix_da_catz: if you install postfix, it will remove exim as part of the process |
| 22:04.27 | asg | felix_da_catz: it will remove most of it since postfix and exim conflict. Removing exim4-config will guarantee that config files and other cruft get the heave-ho as well. |
| 22:04.39 | ^Timo^ | outside* |
| 22:04.50 | asg | ^Timo^: start by reading /usr/share/doc/<pkg> |
| 22:05.21 | Pobega | stew: Sorry for the response time, was cleaning the house; Nothing is bind mounted, I checked using `mount`. Thanks for the help everyone! |
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| 22:06.52 | ^Timo^ | asg : ? |
| 22:07.34 | stew | ^Timo^: metasploit is not something we are going to help with in here |
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| 22:09.26 | ^Timo^ | stew : why not ? its not illigal though ? |
| 22:10.12 | asg | ^Timo^: instructions for its use, at least from the debian perspective of getting it up and running, are in /usr/share/doc/<pkg> (where <pkg> is what you installed). Always read those before asking any questions. |
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| 22:10.55 | stew | asg: he's not asking about a debian pacakge. he's asking about some non-debian software which is used to create exploits of secruity vulnerabilities |
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| 22:11.19 | asg | stew: I thought metasploit was packaged |
| 22:11.44 | stew | not afaik |
| 22:11.51 | asg | stew: it can be useful in a defensive role though |
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| 22:12.25 | chops | ^Timo^: It looks like you're looking for attention more than for honest answers, but the reason few people here will help with it is because using it for one common purpose (gaining access to people's computers without permission) is quite illegal, even if the software itself is legal to distribute. |
| 22:12.25 | mishal | hi! |
| 22:12.35 | asg | stew: hmmm, guess it isn't packaged. I swear I saw it once searching ... guess I'm getting old |
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| 22:13.01 | tarzeau | chops: you can't assume someone with a bread knife wants to murder people |
| 22:13.13 | tarzeau | chops: did he say what he wants to do with metasploit? afaik no |
| 22:13.26 | dkr | it doesn't matter. it's not in debian |
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| 22:14.06 | mishal | im debian newbie.. i just found that some of my files on debian etch machine are corrupted.. /sbin/modprobe , /sbin/rmmod an other files.. i tried to google how to reinstall those but no success.. can anybody help pls? |
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| 22:14.41 | abrotman | !find sbin/modprobe$ etch |
| 22:15.01 | abrotman | no bot |
| 22:15.06 | abrotman | aptitude: find sbin/modprobe$ etch |
| 22:15.28 | aptitude | Debian Search of 'sbin/modprobe' (3): (/sbin/modprobe) in admin/module-init-tools,admin/modutils ;; (/usr/share/systemimager/boot/ia64/standard/initrd_template/sbin/modprobe) in admin/systemimager-boot-ia64-standard ;; (/usr/share/systemimager/boot/i386/standard/initrd_template/sbin/modprobe) in admin/systemimager-boot-i386-standard. |
| 22:15.37 | stew | mishal: aptitude reinstall module-init-tools ; however, it should be very disturbing that those two programs were altered, as it is a likely sign that your machine has been compromised |
| 22:16.00 | stew | mishal: how did you become aware that they were corrupted? |
| 22:16.07 | chops | tarzeau: metasploit is not a bread knife; it's more like a gun. It has legitimate uses, sure, but enough illegitimate ones to make me reluctant about assisting others with it for unspecified purposes. |
| 22:16.41 | mishal | i tried to configure sensors.. |
| 22:16.51 | mishal | i tried to execute modprobe |
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| 22:16.54 | dkr | looks like metasploit is not in debian for licens eincompatibilities. I'm certainly no expert, but this part doesn't look right: "You may only distribute, publicly display, and publicly perform unmodified Software." http://metasploit.com/svn/framework3/trunk/documentation/LICENSE |
| 22:17.01 | chops | tarzeau: Certainly not strangers on IRC with a demonstrated lack of good judgement |
| 22:17.03 | mishal | but system didnt find it.. |
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| 22:17.20 | tarzeau | chops: i agree |
| 22:17.27 | mishal | so i look closed and find that those files are marked red color in midnight commander |
| 22:17.36 | felix_da_catz | humm. I am trying to connect with nfs and I am getting a error in my auth.log file - request from unauthorized host. I have the hostname and the ip address setup in the exports file. My firewall is turned off right now. is there anything else I am missing? |
| 22:17.37 | mishal | s/closed/closer |
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| 22:18.43 | dkr | felix_da_catz: did you run exportfs after changing /etc/exports? |
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| 22:19.24 | felix_da_catz | yes, I just ran it again to make sure. i am getting incompatible duplicated export entries right now though. I didn't notice it before. |
| 22:19.26 | dkr | wait, hostname *and* ip address? maybe a syntax error in /etc/exports |
| 22:19.38 | dkr | there you go |
| 22:19.50 | felix_da_catz | ahh. I can only do one or the other? |
| 22:20.28 | felix_da_catz | here is my line /home/vmail mx-1.natladm.com(ro,insecure) 192.168.1.63(ro,insecure) mx-2.natladm.com(ro,insecure) postman.natladm.com(rw,no_root_squash) secure-mail.natladm.com(rw,no_root_squash) |
| 22:20.32 | dkr | well, depends on how you did it. apparently you did each with different option, hence the "incompatible" |
| 22:21.07 | felix_da_catz | So how should i put my hostnames? I obviously need to group them together |
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| 22:21.33 | felix_da_catz | hostname1 hostname2(ro,insecure) hostname3 hostname4(rw,no_root_squash) |
| 22:21.48 | felix_da_catz | or hostname1,hostname2(ro,insecure) |
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| 22:22.19 | dkr | does one of those hostnames resolve to 192.168.1.63? |
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| 22:22.42 | dkr | or two of the hostnames to the same ip? |
| 22:22.47 | felix_da_catz | with a hosts file yes. No, it is not setup otherwise. |
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| 22:23.07 | felix_da_catz | No the hostnames are not really setup. The computers are not even active yet really. |
| 22:23.11 | dkr | well, just use the ip address and not the name for the one that conflicts |
| 22:23.17 | felix_da_catz | I am working on the first one now. |
| 22:23.27 | felix_da_catz | Well, I will just add them as I go and see if that works better. |
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| 22:23.37 | felix_da_catz | Will the hosts file work as a reverse lookup? |
| 22:23.49 | dkr | yes |
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| 22:23.55 | felix_da_catz | ok cool. Thanks. |
| 22:24.02 | dkr | and yeah, good idea to have all entries in place |
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| 22:24.32 | RockerMONO | anyone know how to do the upside-down exclamation mark? |
| 22:24.34 | felix_da_catz | exportfs -a will report nothing if everything went well? |
| 22:24.42 | dkr | RockerMONO: in what context? |
| 22:25.02 | RockerMONO | dkr: in chatzilla =P [and/or mousepad] |
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| 22:25.12 | dkr | felix_da_catz: or you can use showmount to show what is exported |
| 22:25.56 | dkr | RockerMONO: well, you could get a better irc client or you could run the gnome character map application and paste from there |
| 22:26.20 | RockerMONO | >.> |
| 22:26.25 | dkr | ¡que horor! |
| 22:26.36 | dkr | use a binary distro. be lazy. :) |
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| 22:26.48 | felix_da_catz | I will check that out. Maybe it has to do with the username I am logged in as root. |
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| 22:27.32 | RockerMONO | dkr: i have 1.1GB to work with now :( it was 3GB originally =p |
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| 22:27.54 | dkr | RockerMONO: oh yeah, this is #debian, why can't you just aptitude install xchat? |
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| 22:28.10 | RockerMONO | dkr: i tried that and it said it coudln't find it |
| 22:28.30 | RockerMONO | oh now it works -.- |
| 22:28.35 | dkr | perhaps you don't have yuor package repositories set up correctly |
| 22:28.37 | RockerMONO | *facepalm* |
| 22:28.40 | RockerMONO | it works now |
| 22:28.48 | mishal | i have now modutils reinstalled.. |
| 22:28.55 | mishal | thanks |
| 22:29.16 | mishal | but now i cannot load modules.. what should this be? |
| 22:29.25 | mishal | sudo modprobe w83781d |
| 22:29.25 | mishal | FATAL: Could not load /lib/modules/2.6.22.9/modules.dep: No such file or directory |
| 22:29.35 | pickcoder | anyone interested in a 256MB 400mhz sodimm? |
| 22:29.39 | stew | mishal: try 'depmod -a' |
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| 22:30.37 | dkr | pickcoder: "interested" in the off-topic e-bay-ish type context of wanting to buy it from you? |
| 22:30.54 | pickcoder | no |
| 22:31.00 | pickcoder | I'd have to pay someone to take it on ebay |
| 22:31.05 | pickcoder | pay for shipping and it's yours |
| 22:31.11 | pickcoder | else it's going in the trash |
| 22:31.18 | dkr | so what are you offering, pretty pictures, schematics? :) |
| 22:31.24 | pickcoder | Samsung M470T3354BZO-CCC |
| 22:31.31 | pickcoder | PC2-3200 |
| 22:31.32 | mishal | $ sudo depmod -a |
| 22:31.32 | mishal | $ sudo modprobe w83781d |
| 22:31.32 | mishal | FATAL: Module w83781d not found. |
| 22:31.50 | pickcoder | uprgaded someone's laptop and they don't want the old stick |
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| 22:32.19 | dkr | try your LUG. our LUG people often have ahrdware dumps. :) |
| 22:32.39 | mishal | stew: i see another error.. |
| 22:32.40 | pickcoder | I don't belong to a LUG.. |
| 22:32.47 | pickcoder | thought I'd ask |
| 22:33.22 | dkr | redundant comment is redundant |
| 22:33.47 | dkr | damn, 4chan memes have spread into my brain. help cleanse me |
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| 22:34.23 | simonrvn | @fix dkr |
| 22:34.25 | Asmooh | can i buy an debian flag somewhere ? |
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| 22:36.21 | [dot]Al| | hi, how do I keep a process running in the background even after quitting an ssh connection? |
| 22:36.42 | Asmooh | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:36.51 | simonrvn | use nohup or screen |
| 22:36.59 | mick_home | Asmooh: a flag? next thing -- we'll start having parades |
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| 22:37.12 | Asmooh | mick_home, http://www.limburgonline.nu/s6300929.jpg << i want to replace that one ;) |
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| 22:38.14 | mick_home | Asmooh: http://www.flickr.com/photos/glagla/54320217/in/set-1177687/ |
| 22:38.20 | felix_da_catz | ahh. Stupid hosts.allow/deny files. |
| 22:38.20 | Caemyr | bye |
| 22:38.23 | fengor | hmm how do i activate the sun java jre for iceweasel in etch? i installed the jre via aptitude, used update-java-alternatives --set java-1.5.0-sun and restarted iceweasel. but the weasel cant find java. did i forget something? |
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| 22:38.45 | stew | fengor: install the -plugin package |
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| 22:39.23 | Asmooh | mick_home, haha |
| 22:39.26 | Asmooh | but i dont like ubuntu |
| 22:39.27 | Asmooh | ;) |
| 22:39.51 | mick_home | oh whatever - beats the current poster that you have (err flag - whatever) |
| 22:40.00 | Asmooh | hehe |
| 22:40.02 | Asmooh | true |
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| 22:41.14 | fengor | thanks stew |
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| 22:41.56 | mick_home | Asmooh: i remember there was some scandal w/ some picture as the bg -- happen to remember what that was about? |
| 22:42.17 | Asmooh | hmmm.. no |
| 22:42.22 | Asmooh | i dont know |
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| 22:43.14 | reZo | hey, i'm having problems with screen, and ssh. it's coming up with "Must be connected to a terminal" whenever i attempt to use screen. how can i resolve this problem? |
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| 22:44.15 | stew | reZo: try ssh -t |
| 22:44.33 | reZo | didn't work |
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| 22:44.40 | kgoetz | mick_home: you talking about the'ubuntu fairy' picture from gnomel=look? |
| 22:44.43 | mishal | im having issues with setting up the sensors.. |
| 22:44.57 | mishal | sudo modprobe w83627hf |
| 22:44.58 | mishal | FATAL: Module w83627hf not found. |
| 22:45.07 | kgoetz | reZo: i've only seen that issue trying to screen in a chroot, not over ssh |
| 22:45.08 | bucky | does screen require tty's? |
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| 22:45.20 | reZo | kgoetz: ya, it is a chroot :P |
| 22:45.28 | bucky | virt servers don't have tty's |
| 22:45.34 | mishal | im using kernel: uname -r |
| 22:45.34 | mishal | 2.6.22.9 |
| 22:45.37 | reZo | damn |
| 22:45.43 | reZo | so there isn't a way to solve it then? |
| 22:45.44 | kgoetz | reZo: then teh question is about ssh+chroots :) |
| 22:45.46 | stew | reZo: oh, is the /dev directory populated in the chroot? |
| 22:45.55 | chops | bucky: Do you mean "ptys"? It does require ptys, I believe, but those should be available even on a virtual server. |
| 22:45.55 | reZo | umm sec |
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| 22:46.10 | kgoetz | mishal: any reason a module calle d that should exist? |
| 22:46.11 | reZo | it's got null, tty, urandom and zero in /dev |
| 22:46.17 | bucky | chops, i meant getty's |
| 22:46.28 | chops | bucky: I do not see a reason why it would require gettys. |
| 22:46.58 | mick_home | kgoetz: not sure |
| 22:47.02 | chops | reZo: mount --bind your /dev from outside the chroot environment |
| 22:47.12 | mishal | kgoetz: i dont understand your question.. |
| 22:47.13 | chops | reZo: You probably want to remount /proc in there as well |
| 22:47.25 | reZo | okay |
| 22:47.38 | mick_home | kgoetz: nothing comes up when i google that |
| 22:47.42 | reZo | are there any specific files which should be in the chroot /dev from the root /dev? |
| 22:47.54 | reZo | which could resolve this issue without mounting the root /dev? |
| 22:47.56 | reZo | and /prv |
| 22:47.58 | bucky | it's in all the chroot howtos |
| 22:48.01 | reZo | /proc * |
| 22:48.07 | reZo | okay |
| 22:48.11 | reZo | time to read some howto's thanks |
| 22:48.15 | kgoetz | mishal: *why* do you expect taht module to exist? |
| 22:48.27 | stew | reZo: what is the purpose of the chroot? you should realize that if it is there for anything security related then bind mounting all of /dev might not be ideal |
| 22:48.37 | mick_home | kgoetz: http://gnome-look.org/content/search.php <--- doesn't bring anything up |
| 22:49.05 | kgoetz | mick_home: er, i can try and check |
| 22:49.15 | reZo | stew: exactly. i'm working on a project with a real life friend i trust, but just to be more secure, i made a chroot for him to work in |
| 22:49.17 | chops | stew: Using chroot for security is generally deprecated, I had heard. It's useful as an additional layer but you really have to know what you're doing to get one that works that's secure. |
| 22:49.29 | mishal | kgoetz: it has been recommended by sensors-detect |
| 22:49.29 | reZo | i would like to screen what he's doing however, just to help out every now and then |
| 22:49.35 | stew | chops: yes, that is all correct |
| 22:50.32 | chops | reZo: If you trust him, I'd just grant him a shell account and save yourself some difficulty. YMMV. |
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| 22:50.34 | stew | reZo: well if you were to bind mount all of /bind, then you are giving him the same access to hardware as he would have as a regular user outside of the chroot. it might be better instead to just create the devices he needs access to with MAKEDEV |
| 22:50.40 | mick_home | kgoetz: this?-> http://gnome-look.org/content/preview.php?preview=1&id=70608&file1=70608-1.jpg&file2=&file3=&name=cubuntu+elfe+%28wide%29 |
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| 22:50.51 | reZo | chops: more fun with chroot's hehe |
| 22:51.04 | kgoetz | mick_home: i cant quickly find it either |
| 22:51.13 | reZo | stew: okay |
| 22:51.16 | reZo | thanks for the help |
| 22:51.21 | stew | reZo: like "cd /dev ; /sbin/MAKEDEV pty" might be enough to make screen happy |
| 22:51.35 | reZo | :) |
| 22:52.00 | kgoetz | mick_home: no, there was another. i remember where :\ i saw it |
| 22:52.03 | kgoetz | s/:\// |
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| 22:55.25 | mishal | anyone have an idea why is my temp 127 C ? http://pastebin.org/10471 |
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| 22:56.00 | mishal | my logs are full of alarms.. i want to get rid of them.. |
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| 22:56.37 | kgoetz | wake up earlier :D |
| 22:56.46 | bucky | how long has the heat sink been on that cpu ? |
| 22:57.03 | bucky | years or days? |
| 22:57.20 | bucky | is the fan turning? |
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| 22:57.58 | mishal | i dont have access to that masine.. just ssh.. but i have confirmed that the pc is cool and fans are working |
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| 22:58.54 | abrotman | cool by whose gague? |
| 22:58.55 | abrotman | bah .. |
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| 22:59.43 | abrotman | maybe the sensor is just broken? |
| 22:59.53 | bucky | mishal, http://archives.andrew.net.au/lm-sensors/msg31376.html |
| 23:00.48 | TrueDD | Hi all |
| 23:01.18 | bucky | mishal, btw there are a ton of posts like this concerning the w83627hf-isa-0290 on google |
| 23:01.47 | mishal | thanks.. just found the same post.. |
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| 23:03.34 | J-_ | I've set up sudo when I was installing Debian, but, is it suppose to ask when I update? A few minutes ago it prompted be about admin privs when I configured my network. So, maybe that why I didn't get prompted when I told the computer to update? |
| 23:03.38 | J-_ | =S |
| 23:03.51 | kgoetz | pardon? |
| 23:04.08 | azeem | J-_: sudo times out |
| 23:04.11 | azeem | by default |
| 23:04.16 | themill | J-_: sudo caches your credentials for a period of time. |
| 23:04.28 | simonrvn | what, 15 min default or such |
| 23:04.37 | themill | J-_: see man sudo and look at the -i and -k options |
| 23:04.56 | mishal | the sensosr.conf is f*cking complicated.. in not electric engineer |
| 23:05.11 | J-_ | Okay, how can I figure if sudo is working? I guess through synaptic. See if it's installed.. |
| 23:05.29 | azeem | J-_: what do you mean with `working'? |
| 23:05.35 | themill | Are there any plans for packaging the 2.6.23 kernel for debian? |
| 23:05.52 | simonrvn | if it gets stable, probably |
| 23:06.10 | themill | now now.... |
| 23:07.37 | themill | simonrvn: yeah... you've got a point. But at the same time, we'd be waiting for years for ICH7 support in an even moderately stable kernel let along ICH9 support if there had been a 2.7 fork. |
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| 23:08.01 | rahul | mishal: uh, why are you changing it, then? |
| 23:08.22 | simonrvn | themill: true |
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| 23:08.27 | themill | simonrvn: I hated the moving target thing too when I was trying to get my last laptop working. but once I got a config that worked I just stayed with that same kernel for the rest of that machine's life. |
| 23:08.30 | Nonino | hi all |
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| 23:08.53 | rahul | mishal: if you haven't made a new chip, use the values for the chip you have that are in the config |
| 23:08.57 | rahul | (already) |
| 23:09.04 | simonrvn | themill: i only update if i need to (security issues, etc.) now |
| 23:09.28 | themill | simonrvn: there are a couple of s2disk things with 2.6.21 that I'm hoping might be fixed so I'm wondering about trying a newer kernel. |
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| 23:10.29 | stew | crap, that reminds me, i was hoping to have the new iwl thingy driving my wireless card before tomorrow's meetings |
| 23:10.42 | mishal | rahul: i will try to experiment with the settings.. i cant load any other drivers so i will try to adjust the settings.. |
| 23:10.45 | Kolin | is there a way to add a user with a password without beign prompted for the password? |
| 23:10.55 | mishal | i dont like the reported temperature.. 127 |
| 23:10.56 | Kolin | like add the password as an argument |
| 23:10.58 | mishal | a voltage 0V |
| 23:11.21 | themill | stew: I've now got it down pat to about 5 min work to update iwl on my wife's laptop ;) |
| 23:11.29 | Nonino | can anybody help with some networking concepts? |
| 23:11.35 | themill | stew: So there's still time for oyu ;) |
| 23:11.47 | rahul | mishal: do the values ever change at all? |
| 23:12.00 | stew | themill: "update" does it require regular 5 minute updates? |
| 23:12.06 | magyar | hi, i am getting a gpg error for lenny when using apt on " http://debian.mirrors.tds.net/debian/" How do i fix that? |
| 23:12.12 | rahul | those are ... initeresting choices for numbers |
| 23:12.25 | rahul | magyar: by reading the topic? |
| 23:12.41 | magyar | bahh |
| 23:12.50 | mishal | rahul: NO!!! aaarghh |
| 23:12.55 | magyar | i keep falling in the same trap |
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| 23:13.22 | rahul | mishal: so it sounds like the sensor isn't even connected to what it's supposedly sensing |
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| 23:13.44 | themill | stew: most people are finding it stable, but I was finding that the connection was dropping lots of packets (.17 to .18 fixed that for her) and then later it seemed to yoyo a lot after suspend (.22 seems to have solved that so far). I've only updated twice and the laptop is 2 months old.... but it seems to be working fine now :) |
| 23:13.50 | rahul | mishal: just reporting that it's at ground or whatever |
| 23:13.58 | mishal | rahul: do you think its HW problem? |
| 23:14.12 | rahul | mishal: depends on how you define "problem" |
| 23:14.13 | themill | stew: err... that's iwl versions not kernel versions, obviously... |
| 23:14.35 | rahul | mishal: it's like saying that a military plane having uncomfortable seats is a problem :) |
| 23:14.41 | magyar | [Error] dpkg: No such nick/channel. |
| 23:14.48 | magyar | hmm? |
| 23:14.51 | mishal | rahul: sensor is dead? :) |
| 23:14.58 | rahul | mishal: or just never was connected |
| 23:14.59 | stew | themill: i've been using ipw3945, and i have a couple of wierd problems. most recently, i cannot connect to my clients wpa protected AP (which used to work fine). i was hoping that switching to iwl would just fix some of these things |
| 23:15.18 | stew | themill: n-m works for all networks except the one in my house, for example |
| 23:15.46 | mishal | rahul: ok.. thanks for your help..(and other guys) .. im going to contact HW owner.. |
| 23:16.11 | magyar | anyone? "[Error] dpkg: No such nick/channel." |
| 23:16.16 | magyar | is the bot dead? |
| 23:16.22 | rahul | !ping |
| 23:16.30 | rahul | looks like it is |
| 23:16.33 | themill | magyar: bot gone bye-byes earlier today. It's taking a rest... |
| 23:16.33 | Tramp | blinding flash of the obvious |
| 23:16.37 | magyar | arggg |
| 23:16.46 | J-_ | I just did a cat /proc/swaps and it output /dev/hda5, the size of it, use 60, priority -1. Does that sound right? |
| 23:16.54 | rahul | magyar: you don't need to ask dpkg to tell you what the topic of the channel YOU ARE IN is |
| 23:16.59 | stew | magyar: you can use /msg aptitude whatever as a replacement |
| 23:17.17 | stew | rahul: presumably he read the topic, which tells him to /msg dpkg |
| 23:17.24 | rahul | arg |
| 23:17.31 | themill | stew: what a pita. I did have some trouble with n-m and ipw3945 at the ILL last week and resorted to iwconfig+dhclient at the command line to force it to associate properly. I put it down to a weak signal... but hey. |
| 23:17.32 | rahul | why isn't this on a web page somewhere? |
| 23:17.45 | magyar | hey gurus, get your info straight |
| 23:17.46 | pickcoder | rahul: and put it in the topic of the channel? |
| 23:17.51 | pickcoder | *snicker* |
| 23:17.52 | stew | themill: this happens a few feet from the ap |
| 23:17.56 | rahul | pickcoder: sure |
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| 23:18.03 | themill | stew: ;) |
| 23:18.06 | rahul | magyar: I never needed to fix the problem |
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| 23:18.21 | J-_ | does my output sound proper? ^^ |
| 23:18.24 | stew | rahul: http://dpkg.vireo.org/no+public+key |
| 23:18.27 | rahul | magyar: I dunno, I just maintained my system normally... dunno why other people have these issues |
| 23:18.39 | rahul | stew: can you put that url in the topic? |
| 23:18.41 | *** mode/#debian [+o dondelelcaro] by ChanServ |
| 23:18.45 | magyar | stew: i'm not clear on what you are saying, i use do be able to "/msg dpkg no public key" and get the bot |
| 23:18.46 | *** mode/#debian [-l] by dondelelcaro |
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| 23:18.57 | chops | magyar: The bot is down right now |
| 23:18.59 | *** mode/#debian [-o dondelelcaro] by dondelelcaro |
| 23:19.04 | dondelelcaro | magyar: yes, the bot is currently down. |
| 23:19.15 | magyar | is it running on vista? |
| 23:19.19 | stew | magyar: yes, but that bot is taking a break. it will be back shortly, in the meantime, you can use "/msg aptitude no public key" instead |
| 23:19.21 | abrotman | magyar: /msg aptitude foo |
| 23:19.23 | karsten | magyar: Try apt (possibly also down), ravenbird, or sussudio. |
| 23:19.24 | streuner | hehe |
| 23:19.34 | abrotman | karsten: apt's db is so far out of whack ... |
| 23:19.36 | rahul | heh |
| 23:19.40 | dondelelcaro | no, the machine that's running it is fine, it's the network that is having issues. |
| 23:19.42 | rahul | su su sudio |
| 23:19.44 | karsten | abrotman: ... it resembles me? |
| 23:20.04 | streuner | sussudio's is mostly up to date.. |
| 23:20.11 | pickcoder | dondelelcaro: I could run a backup for you if you want |
| 23:20.13 | abrotman | karsten: no .. more like you in 20 years, still clinging to the IT life you once knew :) |
| 23:20.18 | abrotman | pickcoder: that's what aptitude is |
| 23:20.24 | magyar | stew: oh so there are more bots than i knew of |
| 23:20.28 | magyar | sweet |
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| 23:20.32 | pickcoder | well then.. that settles that |
| 23:20.33 | abrotman | karsten: sussudio isn't a bot! |
| 23:20.41 | karsten | abrotman: Sonny! Don't you get uppity with me! |
| 23:20.46 | magyar | abrotman: thanks |
| 23:20.46 | J-_ | I just installed a package without verification? Does that mean sudo is working correctly? |
| 23:20.51 | karsten | abrotman: He's got a bot though, right? |
| 23:21.05 | magyar | stew: it's a pleasure as always |
| 23:21.05 | dondelelcaro | J-_: if you can sudo ls; sudo is working properly. |
| 23:21.10 | rahul | sussudio is a bot! |
| 23:21.17 | rahul | just a carbon-based one |
| 23:21.36 | J-_ | dondelelcaro: It just said "Desktop" |
| 23:21.53 | rahul | %ping |
| 23:22.01 | rahul | hmm |
| 23:22.15 | themill | Is it Sunday somewhere? |
| 23:22.20 | Ronin | always themill always |
| 23:22.31 | pickcoder | no it's monday |
| 23:22.36 | streuner | rahul: forget that, we have enough people here who can help without a bot |
| 23:22.53 | J-_ | dondelelcaro: Was that suppose to be correct output/ |
| 23:23.24 | rahul | well, it's good to know to avoid helping people who will be asking FAQs :) |
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| 23:23.44 | pickcoder | J-_: ls -l will show you the owner of "Desktop" |
| 23:23.51 | abrotman | karsten: yes .. Piggy |
| 23:23.57 | abrotman | karsten: piggy doesn't respond though |
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| 23:24.44 | J-_ | pickcoder: It said the user I signed in as |
| 23:25.10 | J-_ | So I guess it's working correctly/ |
| 23:25.11 | J-_ | ?* |
| 23:25.20 | simonrvn | !wb |
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| 23:25.34 | J-_ | Guess so, thanks. meh |
| 23:25.36 | rahul | it's all simonrvn's fault |
| 23:25.45 | themill | simonrvn: a little premature.... |
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| 23:25.55 | simonrvn | *shrug* |
| 23:26.05 | rahul | don't you shrug at me! |
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| 23:26.44 | extor | If I have a .ko driver for an IDE controller, then how do I make a driver disk for it? I need it to recognize my CDROM during install |
| 23:27.05 | rahul | extor: uh, you have some driver that's not in linux already? |
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| 23:27.44 | rahul | extor: you need to compile the source against the kernel that will _actually_ be used to get a .ko that will work with that kernel |
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| 23:28.12 | extor | rahul its the marvel-pata driver thats in kernel 22 but I need it in my installation process |
| 23:28.31 | stew | extor: /msg dpkg kmuto |
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| 23:28.37 | rahul | heh |
| 23:28.38 | themill | @kmuto |
| 23:28.46 | stew | extor: /msg aptitude kmuto |
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| 23:29.00 | rahul | we're in bot-deprivation hell! |
| 23:29.12 | extor | Building dependency tree... Done |
| 23:29.12 | extor | E: Couldn't find package kmuto |
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| 23:29.24 | azeem | extor: aptitude is a bot |
| 23:29.31 | themill | what's aptitude's trigger? (or ravenbirds?) |
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| 23:29.39 | simonrvn | aptitude: kmuto |
| 23:29.40 | aptitude | For etch (or sarge) with up-to-date kernels, see http://kmuto.jp/debian/d-i/ |
| 23:29.56 | J-_ | !ipv6 |
| 23:30.03 | stew | &ipv6 |
| 23:30.04 | aptitude | from memory, ipv6 is at http://www.ipv6.org/, but supported in potato, or at http://people.debian.org/~csmall/ipv6/ Also known as "ipng", or read RFC 1924, or /msg ChanServ list #*ipv6*, or see <iproute>, or http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/Linux+IPv6-HOWTO/ |
| 23:30.04 | themill | extor: grab an iso with the 2.6.22 kernel from the kmuto site ^^ |
| 23:30.10 | simonrvn | ravenbird: kmuto is <reply> For etch (or sarge) with up-to-date kernels, see http://kmuto.jp/debian/d-i/ |
| 23:30.10 | ravenbird | simonrvn: okay |
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| 23:30.34 | extor | themilll I already got the 22 DVD burned...but it doesnt see my PATA so I need to feed it the driver via floppy I guess |
| 23:31.00 | themill | simonrvn: doesn't ravenbird sync off dpkg on a regular basis on it's own? |
| 23:31.13 | simonrvn | no, that feature is borked |
| 23:31.17 | themill | heh |
| 23:31.33 | themill | extor: where has this extra module come from? |
| 23:31.52 | rahul | that sweedish chef is always creating trouble |
| 23:31.54 | extor | themill its a new driver |
| 23:32.04 | rahul | themill: 2.6.22 |
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| 23:32.20 | extor | marvell-pata or pata-marvell and its in 2.6.22 but somehow during CD install it doesnt see my CD |
| 23:32.24 | themill | rahul: if it's in 2.6.22 then the kmuto installer will work as it uses 2.6.22... |
| 23:32.25 | J-_ | Is there a command that will direct me to debian documentation on how to disable IPv6 in etch? |
| 23:32.39 | rahul | themill: well, then it's a good thing we told extor about kmuto :) |
| 23:32.59 | rahul | J-_: man 5 interfaces |
| 23:33.03 | extor | how come that DVD doesnt have marvell-pata built into the kernel already? |
| 23:33.11 | themill | rahul: it will. |
| 23:33.28 | extor | are driver files = .udeb? |
| 23:33.34 | rahul | extor: because it was made before that kernel was released |
| 23:33.51 | rahul | no .udeb are micro-debs |
| 23:33.56 | themill | rahul: ? |
| 23:33.59 | rahul | simplified packages |
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| 23:34.32 | extor | ok I got a DVD with 2.6.22 so how do I create a driver floppy with the marvell-pata driver on the floppy? Can it be done? |
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| 23:34.57 | rahul | extor: uh, just use the installer image we've been telling you to use |
| 23:35.30 | extor | geez I already downloaded and burned a lenny DVD |
| 23:35.44 | themill | extor: lenny != kmuto.... |
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| 23:35.54 | rahul | well, you should have read the docs and figured out that's a bad idea |
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| 23:36.29 | themill | extor: What kernel is on the installer you have been using? |
| 23:36.51 | extor | 2.6.22 |
| 23:37.16 | extor | which is SUPPOSED to have marvel-pata in that distro as one of the modules |
| 23:37.27 | extor | Maybe I just need some special switches? |
| 23:37.36 | themill | extor: Try changing to a different console (Alt+F2) and type modinfo pata-marvel (or whatever the name of the module actually is) |
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| 23:37.57 | extor | Installer won't recognize my drive on Marvell IDE controller of ICH9, even it boots up installer! |
| 23:37.57 | extor | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:38.05 | rahul | extor: well, that's what happens when you use unofficial installers, I guess... they probably just recompiled with the new kernel and didn't even enable the options to get the new driver as a module |
| 23:38.33 | rahul | marvell controller _of_ ich9?? |
| 23:38.35 | extor | rahul I installed that DVD on vmware and then typed modprobe pata-marvell or whatever and it was there |
| 23:38.45 | extor | yes I believe thats the marvell |
| 23:38.50 | rahul | ich8? |
| 23:38.53 | rahul | er ich9? |
| 23:39.02 | rahul | isn't that intel? |
| 23:39.03 | extor | I have a DG965OT motherboard which has a special marvell chip |
| 23:39.08 | extor | yes its intel |
| 23:39.11 | stew | themill: cool, iwl passed the first test, which is being happier with my ap. we'll see about the wpa network tomorrow |
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| 23:39.15 | rahul | ok, so by ich9, you mean _not_ ich9 |
| 23:39.25 | themill | stew: good luck :) |
| 23:39.29 | rahul | or is there something even more confusing going on here than it being opposite day? |
| 23:39.56 | themill | stew: maybe I should get off my backside and use it here too... but if it ain't broke don't fix it.... |
| 23:40.00 | extor | its a 965 chipset |
| 23:40.18 | stew | themill: any idea why it isn't packaged yet? |
| 23:40.43 | rahul | extor: talking to you is like being a dolphin that is thrown red herrings |
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| 23:40.53 | themill | stew: it's going to be included in the debian 2.6.23 stock kernels apparently, so there's no point. the firmware/ucode is packaged though |
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| 23:41.10 | stew | ahh, ok |
| 23:41.32 | rahul | extor: does the ich9 not work? |
| 23:41.40 | rahul | extor: why do you need to use the marvell? |
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| 23:41.44 | extor | what do you mean "not work"? |
| 23:41.49 | rahul | extor: you tell me |
| 23:41.51 | extor | the marvell has IDE support |
| 23:41.54 | rahul | why aren't you using it? |
| 23:41.56 | extor | the mobo is SATA |
| 23:42.01 | extor | the hard drives are SATAs |
| 23:42.02 | themill | stew: it's gone into linus' tree for 2.6.24 but I gather the debian kernel team has cherry picked that one for 2.6.23. Not that I've yet to see a kernel from them in a repo... |
| 23:42.02 | rahul | extor: and what about the ich9? |
| 23:42.09 | extor | but the IDE has its own chipset |
| 23:42.19 | extor | I believe the ICHX only has SATA support |
| 23:42.20 | rahul | oh, they disabled the ich9? |
| 23:42.31 | extor | thats why they needed a marvel chip to handle the PATA |
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| 23:42.37 | extor | hence the problems with that mobp |
| 23:42.38 | rahul | oh, _p_ata |
| 23:42.41 | rahul | I see |
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| 23:42.49 | extor | yes PATA |
| 23:43.39 | rahul | they taste like syrofoam :( |
| 23:43.44 | extor | Its an ICH8 controller though, but probly same issue |
| 23:43.48 | rahul | with a cardboard skin |
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| 23:44.39 | extor | Chipset Type: Intel G965 Express / Intel ICH8 |
| 23:45.00 | extor | Im gunna try tthat acpi=off and generic ide switch during install |
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| 23:47.15 | extor | If I copy the marvell_pata.ko file to floppy can I just modprobe it into the kernel? |
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| 23:48.33 | Nonino | extor: the modprobe will look your driver in /lib/modules/linux-version/section/ |
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| 23:49.14 | Nonino | if you want to load the driver from the floppy, you can do it with insmod |
| 23:49.27 | SpaceDoG | nub question |
| 23:49.35 | extor | ahhhhh ok |
| 23:49.41 | extor | so insmod is what I need |
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| 23:49.49 | Nonino | extor: yes |
| 23:49.59 | extor | otherwise I could also copy that .ko file off the floppy during install right |
| 23:50.04 | Knifa | Hello. I need to have specific users able to write to /var/www. Currently I've just added the users to the www-data group and chown'd the entire folder to www-data and the www-data group. This works, but the owner and group of the file is always the users and it seems a bit messy. Is this the way to do it or is there anything else I could do? |
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| 23:50.23 | karsten | Knifa: Why? |
| 23:50.32 | SpaceDoG | I have a Creative Audigy 2 ZS that I can't get to work with the current version of Debian. It's a fresh install. alsaconf says that it's installed the card but asoundconf list doesn't show any cards as being installed. I've already disabled the onboard sound but that did nothing for it. Anyone have any thoughts/ideas? |
| 23:50.36 | Knifa | Why the users need to be able to write to /var/www? |
| 23:50.51 | ginoman | hey, my Open office and Koffice stopped working, they gave me bus errors... I checked the bug reports and found the bug but it wasn't any help |
| 23:50.52 | karsten | Yes. |
| 23:51.05 | ginoman | anyone know how to fix it? |
| 23:51.11 | Knifa | So multiple people can make changes to the main site that is being hosted. |
| 23:51.40 | karsten | Knifa: Use a CMS, staging site, and sudo for that. |
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| 23:53.12 | bucky | i accidently erased all my tty*'s in /etc/event.d/ what package reinstalls them |
| 23:53.56 | bucky | dpkg -S /etc/event.d/? |
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| 23:54.05 | Knifa | A staging site could work, but then how would everyone still access the same part with write permissions other than sharing the same username and password? |
| 23:54.47 | karsten | Knifa: check-in / check-out procedures. |
| 23:55.02 | Knifa | eh? |
| 23:55.29 | SpaceDoG | If I'm not mistaken proftpd with mysql can allow multiple virtual users to use the same system user account but with different logins/passwords |
| 23:55.41 | SpaceDoG | anywho anyone have any thoughts on my sound issue? |
| 23:55.45 | Knifa | oh hooray |
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