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| 00:00.15 | jariep1_ | how do i set up xorg.conf |
| 00:00.21 | jariep1_ | i dont have the file |
| 00:00.28 | jariep1_ | but i installed gnome and xorg |
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| 00:01.37 | ginoman | sudo apt-get install gnome |
| 00:01.41 | SpaceDoG | hm... volume control sees my soundcard but not asound... |
| 00:01.42 | ginoman | ? |
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| 00:01.46 | Tramp | Knifa: if you chmod g+s the directory, newly created files and directories will belong to the group of the directory. Additionally this setting is inherited by newly created dirs. Maybe that helps you. |
| 00:02.03 | Knifa | ah excellent that would probably be better |
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| 00:02.30 | karsten | Knifa: These days, it usually revolves around either a CMS (content management system), version control system (eg: CVS, git, Hg), and/or use of sudo either directly or through scripts by skilled users. |
| 00:02.51 | jariep1_ | xorg conf howto?? |
| 00:03.13 | jariep1_ | is there a sample file i can download to fill xorg.conf |
| 00:03.18 | jariep1_ | x-configurator |
| 00:03.25 | stew | jariep1_: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg |
| 00:03.35 | Tramp | Knifa: although having a revision-control, as karsten suggested, has of course tons of advantages. |
| 00:03.39 | Knifa | yeah |
| 00:03.58 | Knifa | the site isn't very important or big so simple things are good just now |
| 00:04.03 | Knifa | though i might set it up later incase something messes up |
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| 00:04.30 | Tramp | well, as usual, it depends upon the unspecified requirements 8) |
| 00:04.42 | Knifa | :p |
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| 00:05.59 | piecesandbits | jariep1_, google for dpkg-reconfigure or some such what. |
| 00:06.08 | eugo | im having trouble with my hdd |
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| 00:06.40 | eugo | http://pastebin.com/m3b2e80d0 <--- dmesg states that my sdb is 9057mb but fdisk does not agree and shows weird output |
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| 00:12.41 | SpaceDoG | bah |
| 00:12.51 | eugo | like the lamb? |
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| 00:17.57 | jariep1_ | ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- |
| 00:17.58 | jariep1_ | ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- |
| 00:18.03 | jariep1_ | -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------hi there stew |
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| 00:18.13 | jariep1_ | -sorry |
| 00:18.15 | simonrvn | !lart jariep1_ |
| 00:18.24 | jariep1_ | hi there piecesandbits |
| 00:18.28 | kgoetz | own up, who packaged xorg-server-1.4? |
| 00:18.33 | jariep1_ | my mistake was keyboard |
| 00:18.42 | kgoetz | broken symlinnks in the source - *not happy* |
| 00:19.02 | piecesandbits | heh jariep1_ , stew got there first ! |
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| 00:20.06 | explody | anyone know why calling an init script "start" from the postinst script of a package would hang indefinitely? |
| 00:20.21 | explody | calling the init script directly works just fine |
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| 00:21.49 | azeem | kgoetz: xorg-server-0.4 isn't in stable or testing |
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| 00:23.14 | felipe__ | I im having some troubles with php |
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| 00:23.24 | kgoetz | azeem: no, this is the package from sid. |
| 00:23.30 | felipe__ | I want to let users upload files more than 5 megabytes |
| 00:23.36 | azeem | kgoetz: oh |
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| 00:23.39 | felipe__ | but I have modified a lot of php.ini |
| 00:23.39 | azeem | well, that happens |
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| 00:23.41 | azeem | unstable and all |
| 00:23.52 | felipe__ | and I still can't do it |
| 00:23.57 | felipe__ | some ideas? |
| 00:24.16 | kgoetz | azeem: my issue isnt that the package is broken per se, its that the package has been made including a symlink farm, so theres piles of source files i *cant get access to* |
| 00:24.54 | kgoetz | *hugs grep -s* |
| 00:26.25 | magyar | whos maintaining the fglrx module package? |
| 00:26.53 | magyar | !hi |
| 00:27.49 | kgoetz | magyar: looked in its changelog? |
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| 00:29.34 | magyar | kgoetz: so i can file a bug against this module package? |
| 00:30.18 | kgoetz | !fglrx |
| 00:30.32 | magyar | bot is dead |
| 00:30.35 | kgoetz | magyar: which doesnt answer my question |
| 00:30.37 | magyar | dpkg i mean |
| 00:30.46 | kgoetz | *kicks dpkg* |
| 00:30.47 | Enverex | aptitude, fglrx |
| 00:30.47 | aptitude | The binary driver made available by ATI. See <fglrx one-liner> for installation. See http://www.linuks.mine.nu/ati/fglrx-driver for a non-Debian installation method, or currently not working with xorg > 7.1. Downgrade xserver-xorg-core to 7.1 for the time being if you are on testing/unstable. See also <fglrx 2.6.21>. |
| 00:31.01 | kgoetz | thought so |
| 00:31.39 | magyar | i heard there was a talk about amd releasing some info for FFS |
| 00:31.42 | magyar | FSS |
| 00:32.01 | kgoetz | SS? |
| 00:32.05 | magyar | FSF |
| 00:32.11 | magyar | third time is the charm |
| 00:32.33 | kgoetz | hehe |
| 00:33.40 | Asmooh | are there browsers that doesnt require 25% of cpu power? |
| 00:33.46 | Asmooh | or more.. |
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| 00:34.28 | zythmer | lynx |
| 00:34.35 | kgoetz | elinks |
| 00:34.41 | kgoetz | framebuffer :D |
| 00:34.41 | Asmooh | eh |
| 00:34.47 | Asmooh | i meen x-window browserds |
| 00:34.48 | Asmooh | -d |
| 00:35.17 | Asmooh | galeon, iceweasel, iceaep, epichany use to much cpu power that i dont have |
| 00:35.18 | Asmooh | :P |
| 00:35.35 | ginoman | that's why I use kde :) |
| 00:35.54 | zythmer | Asmooh: tried dillo? |
| 00:36.02 | Asmooh | kde using all the cpu power i dont have for idle |
| 00:36.04 | multi_io | how can I switch between available screen resolutions in a running Xorg server? |
| 00:36.05 | Asmooh | not yet |
| 00:36.27 | kgoetz | lynx in Xterminal? :P |
| 00:36.42 | multi_io | (some program set it to 640x480 :-O ) |
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| 00:37.42 | Asmooh | and xfce doesnt feel right |
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| 00:38.00 | Asmooh | i think linux really needs an faster processor and more memory |
| 00:38.04 | Asmooh | to work normal on |
| 00:38.16 | ginoman | yeah, I didn't like the feel of xfce |
| 00:38.16 | lhadji | lol |
| 00:40.05 | Asmooh | huh |
| 00:40.14 | Asmooh | i setup proxy in dillo but it doenst use it |
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| 00:43.48 | fas3r | hello everybody |
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| 00:44.35 | fas3r | how to declare the same host two time in dhcpd.conf ? |
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| 00:45.29 | Asmooh | zythmer, in dillo proxy settings just: ip:port ? |
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| 00:47.19 | zythmer | Asmooh: I very rarely use dillo. I use iceweasel normally. |
| 00:47.27 | karsten | So, in the Software RAID HOWTO, it says (WRT booting on RAID): "You need autodetection support in the kernel. Check this. |
| 00:47.29 | neosix | hello! |
| 00:47.36 | karsten | Um. *HOW* do you check this? |
| 00:47.38 | Asmooh | hm okay |
| 00:47.42 | pike_ | xfce is ok once you get rid of all the default themes and move panel around to suit |
| 00:48.04 | Asmooh | my laptop dont have the cpu power to run iceweasel |
| 00:48.18 | pike_ | Asmooh: i almost prefer links2 -g to dillo |
| 00:48.47 | Asmooh | yea but im looking for something graphical that can use proxy |
| 00:49.30 | neosix | I'm using Debian Etch , everything works fine but now I have problem. On boot I have this message: DHCPOFFER. I never had this message before. Now I can connect via pppoe but can'i open any page. |
| 00:50.20 | Nonino | neosix: it seems like your adsl modem isn't working properly, and it isn't able to give you and ip address thru dhcp |
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| 00:50.39 | Nonino | [21:50] <Nonino> neosix: it seems like your adsl modem isn't working properly, and it isn't able to give you and ip address thru dhcp |
| 00:50.57 | neosix | But works fine on XP |
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| 00:51.05 | Nonino | neosix: did you try to restart the adsl modem? |
| 00:51.16 | neosix | I use wireless |
| 00:51.44 | Asmooh | i think i use need an new cpu |
| 00:52.00 | neosix | I use Debian 3 months and I never had this problem |
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| 00:52.37 | Nonino | neosix: the problem is just with the web pages? did you try to ping and external ip address? |
| 00:52.58 | neosix | Nonino: Synaptic don't work too |
| 00:53.20 | Nonino | try ping 64.233.169.99 |
| 00:53.21 | neosix | I mean apt-get |
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| 00:53.37 | jshriver | Good afternoon :) |
| 00:53.44 | Nonino | may be the only problem is resolving dns |
| 00:53.44 | jshriver | Any debian dev's here? |
| 00:53.59 | jshriver | main question is.. I want to roll my own distro from source that is debian based |
| 00:54.01 | jshriver | where do I start :) |
| 00:54.05 | jshriver | been looking at LFS. |
| 00:54.15 | jshriver | but I want to use the debian package manager for my apps |
| 00:54.17 | neosix | Nonino: thanks man I'll try |
| 00:54.23 | jshriver | aiming for a small distro |
| 00:54.25 | stew | jshriver: why do you want to roll your own instead of improving on an existing one? |
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| 00:54.38 | jshriver | I want to create a small CD/DVD based distro |
| 00:54.43 | jshriver | that's live CD based |
| 00:54.43 | Nonino | neosix: if you get response, tell me and i will give some working dns servers to fix that issue |
| 00:54.50 | neosix | OK |
| 00:55.04 | jshriver | guess it doesnt "have" to be debian based since most people wont be addings apps |
| 00:55.21 | jshriver | but want to create a liveCD I can use at work/home... that has predefined tools. |
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| 00:55.47 | stew | jshriver: ask ##linux |
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| 00:55.57 | jshriver | 'k |
| 00:56.28 | jshriver | ask here because for my own usability... wanted to have my own deb repository. So if I dont want to put everything on the CD/DVD... I can download apply in realtime via a apt-get install |
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| 00:57.43 | stew | jshriver: apt-cache show dfsbuild |
| 00:57.53 | jshriver | thanks :) |
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| 00:58.30 | Seven_Six_Two | If I connect to a laptop using wireless with krfb/krdc and then the laptop is plugged in to the router, can I switch it to the ethernet connection without losing my rdc connection? |
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| 00:58.53 | Nonino | Seven_Six_Two: no |
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| 00:59.42 | Seven_Six_Two | Nonino, any suggestions on how to switch it? maybe just create a new invite, then just turn off wifi and recionnect? |
| 00:59.51 | TrueDD | Good night all |
| 01:00.10 | Nonino | Seven_Six_Two: yes, you will need to re-establish the connection after the switch |
| 01:00.21 | Seven_Six_Two | oh dang. the port isn't forwarded to the right card... |
| 01:00.38 | Seven_Six_Two | and wifi access to the router is off..... |
| 01:01.01 | Nonino | the port forwarding is ip-oriented... |
| 01:01.27 | Nonino | are you able to change the IP to the one the port-forwarding is configured to? |
| 01:01.38 | Seven_Six_Two | yeah. exactly. if I can get the browser to use the ethernet card to login to the router... |
| 01:01.49 | Asmooh | my xorg is using 90% cpu ? |
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| 01:02.19 | Nonino | Asmooh beryl on a Pentium MMX #) |
| 01:02.24 | Asmooh | nope |
| 01:02.27 | Asmooh | only x |
| 01:02.37 | Nonino | what cpu? |
| 01:02.39 | Seven_Six_Two | Nonino, yes. |
| 01:02.41 | Asmooh | P3 600 |
| 01:02.56 | Asmooh | and its running soooo slow |
| 01:03.05 | Asmooh | i typ faster than the letters on my screen |
| 01:03.07 | Seven_Six_Two | Asmooh, are you using KDE? |
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| 01:03.22 | Asmooh | gnome, but xfce isn fast also |
| 01:03.27 | Nonino | Seven_Six_Two: so that's it... why you need to switch after the rdc connection? |
| 01:03.38 | Nonino | Asmooh icewm? |
| 01:03.49 | Asmooh | hm |
| 01:04.03 | Asmooh | why cant i run gnome on a p3 cpu? does it need P4 or higher? |
| 01:04.12 | Seven_Six_Two | I want to do a big upgrade but not over slower wifi, and there's nobody at remote pc right now. |
| 01:04.16 | Nonino | it depends on the version |
| 01:04.21 | Asmooh | 2.20 |
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| 01:04.38 | simonrvn | Asmooh: uh, no |
| 01:04.59 | simonrvn | model name : Pentium III (Coppermine) |
| 01:05.08 | Asmooh | yea |
| 01:05.10 | Seven_Six_Two | Nonino, I don't know if it'll use wifi by default or not. |
| 01:05.15 | simonrvn | gnome-panel --version |
| 01:05.15 | Asmooh | i have that one simmerz |
| 01:05.15 | simonrvn | GNOME gnome-panel 2.20.2 |
| 01:05.22 | Asmooh | eh simonrvn |
| 01:05.45 | Asmooh | but everything is slow |
| 01:05.48 | simonrvn | and current;y running it |
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| 01:05.52 | Asmooh | yea |
| 01:05.56 | Asmooh | but slow as hell :P |
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| 01:06.04 | simonrvn | s,;,l, |
| 01:06.10 | Seven_Six_Two | Nonino, I want to stay connected with rdc to monitor upgrade while pc owner is asleep |
| 01:06.22 | Asmooh | ? |
| 01:06.26 | Nonino | Seven_Six_Two: Understand... you can't log in in the router and change the port forwarding settings to point the ethernet card, if it's not the wifi up? |
| 01:06.28 | simonrvn | only when the load goes above 4-5 |
| 01:06.58 | Asmooh | and it always is above 1 and when i start a browser its going to above 5 |
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| 01:07.11 | Seven_Six_Two | Nonino, correct. the ethernet is connected too, but not until after I connected |
| 01:07.14 | simonrvn | you have other issues then |
| 01:07.20 | neosix | Nonino: I'm on Debian now. I don't understand, I went from XP and boot Debian and everything wors fine now and I didn't do anything. I don't understand |
| 01:07.42 | simonrvn | 0.58 0.58 0.62 |
| 01:07.50 | Nonino | neosix: i think it was a dns problem |
| 01:07.54 | Asmooh | simonrvn, maybe the dri, glx modules and stuff? |
| 01:07.56 | Asmooh | in xorg? |
| 01:08.06 | Nonino | neosix: may be your ISP DNS server were down for a while |
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| 01:08.24 | neosix | Nonino: who knows! Thanks anyway! |
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| 01:08.34 | simonrvn | use top to figure it out |
| 01:09.32 | k31th | I am moving my /var/spool/mail to /home/mail as I am out of space on / but have 350GB on /home (i didnt partition the box...) wats the best way, stop sendmail, move the mail create a symlink? |
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| 01:10.01 | Asmooh | xorg is between 69 - 100% |
| 01:10.04 | Asmooh | using all the time |
| 01:10.22 | simonrvn | some sdl or ogl thing is running? |
| 01:10.51 | Asmooh | its better when i close an browsere |
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| 01:11.02 | simonrvn | oh, flash i bet |
| 01:11.09 | Asmooh | so i cant use any browser on my pc |
| 01:11.11 | Asmooh | yea flash |
| 01:11.12 | Nonino | Asmooh firefox? |
| 01:11.25 | jello | k31th: you need to stop more than sendmail -- any MUA as well |
| 01:11.27 | Asmooh | iceweasel, iceaep, galeon, and more |
| 01:12.01 | simonrvn | icepee |
| 01:12.09 | Asmooh | but i wonder, it it the processor or memory? |
| 01:12.15 | simonrvn | "don't eat that yellow snow!" |
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| 01:12.35 | Nonino | paste an uptime |
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| 01:12.37 | Asmooh | 600mhz/192mb ram |
| 01:12.40 | Seven_Six_Two | Asmooh, what does top tell yoo? |
| 01:12.55 | jello | k31th: i suggest you drop to single-user mode, do the move/symlink, and then bring it back up |
| 01:12.56 | Asmooh | 90%+ of cpu using when using iceaep |
| 01:12.56 | simonrvn | flash is mostly used for crap on the web... (read: ads). fairly rarely you see decent stuff |
| 01:13.02 | Seven_Six_Two | Asmooh, you need ram I think |
| 01:13.07 | Asmooh | hm |
| 01:13.11 | k31th | jello: im running over ssh. |
| 01:13.21 | Nonino | Asmooh what size is your swap partition? |
| 01:13.25 | Asmooh | 1.5gb |
| 01:13.29 | simonrvn | add some ram, i have 256 on this thing, and it runs much better than when it had 128 ;) |
| 01:13.34 | jello | k31th: well, how many users do you have? |
| 01:13.56 | Asmooh | i think its an flash issue |
| 01:14.03 | Asmooh | i have flash 9 installed? |
| 01:14.06 | k31th | jello: its 1:15 no ones up // apart from me :( |
| 01:14.07 | Asmooh | maybe thats why? |
| 01:14.10 | Seven_Six_Two | yeah. I upgraded to 1024 from 512 and got a boost when using firefox or cinelerra(mem hogs) |
| 01:14.14 | k31th | 1600 users ? |
| 01:14.14 | Nonino | Asmooh have you tried with another browser? |
| 01:14.15 | k31th | lol |
| 01:14.22 | Asmooh | a lot |
| 01:14.22 | simonrvn | flash behaving like that is a *symptom* |
| 01:14.38 | jello | k31th: that's why there's scheduled downtime... :) |
| 01:15.17 | k31th | jello: i scheduled downtime for 21:00 but... lol |
| 01:15.44 | Asmooh | ok now trying without flash |
| 01:16.02 | petemc | k31th: you havent considered telling sendmail to deliver to home dirs? |
| 01:16.03 | simonrvn | pc100 ram sticks are cheap... |
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| 01:16.27 | Asmooh | 90%+ |
| 01:16.38 | Asmooh | simonrvn, about 70+ euros new |
| 01:16.59 | explody | 70euro for pc100? |
| 01:17.09 | Asmooh | new yea |
| 01:17.10 | Asmooh | 29 voor pc133 |
| 01:17.12 | Asmooh | for |
| 01:17.14 | explody | http://www.memoryx.net/pc100memory.html |
| 01:17.21 | k31th | petemc: what will happen to there existing mail petemc ? |
| 01:17.35 | k31th | it will stay in /var/spool/mail ? |
| 01:17.43 | petemc | k31th: you could move it over |
| 01:17.56 | jello | k31th: how do your users access mail? IMAP? ssh+mutt? |
| 01:18.03 | Asmooh | i think i just need a new laptop if its not running fast enough after cpu/mem upgrade |
| 01:18.08 | petemc | k31th: you could also take the opportunity to switch to maildir |
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| 01:18.36 | k31th | petemc: id love to, but they have not paid me to do that :D |
| 01:19.05 | k31th | jello: imap via squirrelmail mainly. |
| 01:19.31 | jello | k31th: so, just shut down imap and sendmail, then do the move... |
| 01:19.50 | petemc | k31th: they've paid you to change the imapd too? |
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| 01:22.54 | k31th | petemc: not yet, think i will advise they change the system to Maildir tho. |
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| 01:23.23 | k31th | But will have to create some scripts for this. |
| 01:24.03 | petemc | find and mb2md |
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| 01:24.39 | k31th | petemc: fancey doing ill subcontract you lol |
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| 01:24.52 | k31th | christ...... |
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| 01:25.04 | k31th | this box is using UW IMAP |
| 01:25.41 | simonrvn | ugh, my condolences |
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| 01:31.24 | k31th | nasty this UW iMAP looks like a custom compiel as well |
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| 01:34.30 | tuliox | yo |
| 01:34.40 | tuliox | just got netinstall, what does Standard system installs? |
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| 01:38.40 | jello | tuliox: everything you expect to find on a normal unix system |
| 01:38.50 | tuliox | thx then i dont need it |
| 01:39.34 | jello | tuliox: um, you probably do, unless you're not using Linux... |
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| 01:44.21 | simonrvn | @moron tuliox |
| 01:44.22 | ravenbird | tuliox: You are moron #21 |
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| 01:45.56 | rdz | is it possible to increase the size of a ext3-partition without loosing the file on it? |
| 01:46.23 | simonrvn | 'losing', and yes (don't ask me how) |
| 01:46.38 | rdz | simonrvn, yeah.. 'losing' |
| 01:46.46 | k31th | if im using tar to backup to tape, i just give tar the scsi dev right as in "/dev/st0" |
| 01:47.26 | rdz | how can i get a list of all currently installed packages? |
| 01:47.34 | simonrvn | dpkg -l |
| 01:47.40 | simonrvn | er |
| 01:47.41 | rdz | simonrvn, thanks |
| 01:47.44 | rdz | ? |
| 01:47.47 | simonrvn | dpkg -l | grep '^.i' |
| 01:47.53 | simonrvn | better ;) |
| 01:47.54 | rdz | ah ok |
| 01:47.58 | rdz | i see |
| 01:48.16 | simonrvn | just plain -l will get you all available |
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| 01:50.45 | rdz | simonrvn, is there also a way to display the size of packages? i am running out of disk space and would like to get rid of unused packages. however, it seems i have 1688 packages installed :-( |
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| 01:51.30 | simonrvn | debian-goodies -> dpigs will get you the larest ones |
| 01:51.35 | simonrvn | largest* |
| 01:51.55 | rdz | simonrvn, thanks a lot |
| 01:51.57 | simonrvn | i suppose you could configure aptitude's output to display that too |
| 01:51.58 | reZo | in bash, how would i test if a file exists, using a command |
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| 01:53.09 | simonrvn | man [ |
| 01:53.42 | reZo | cheers |
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| 01:54.20 | cihann | hi people! |
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| 01:55.19 | pleed | does anyone know how i can hide my tor server from freenode? i m not proxying irc traffic but i would like to install a bouncer on my server. |
| 01:55.55 | stew | pleed: ask #freenode |
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| 02:04.05 | RockerMONO | hey... i installed opensshd but it doesn't start up automatically, what's the command for starting it? |
| 02:04.18 | Zigara | hello, i ran a apt-get upgrade on my new dedicated server and i got this error when it tried to upgrade the kernel: "Updating /boot/grub/menu.lst ... /usr/sbin/update-grub: line 1154: /boot/grub/menu.lst: Permission denied" anyone know why? |
| 02:04.41 | fas3r | how to block with iptables what's from internet it's 0.0.0.0 ? or with 0.0.0.0 it block local website too ? |
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| 02:05.34 | Zippy2 | are you running as root? |
| 02:05.44 | Zippy2 | fas3r: why would you want to block 0.0.0.0 |
| 02:05.47 | Zigara | yes. |
| 02:05.59 | Zippy2 | Zigara: ls -al /boot/grub/menu.lst |
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| 02:06.15 | Zigara | Zippy2, -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 3843 2007-12-04 19:04 /boot/grub/menu.lst |
| 02:06.31 | stew | fas3r: 0.0.0.0 isn't an ip address |
| 02:06.34 | Zippy2 | run update-grub as root |
| 02:06.38 | Zigara | ok, thanks |
| 02:06.43 | stew | fas3r: what are you trying to do? why? |
| 02:06.50 | Zigara | Zippy2, same error. |
| 02:06.58 | Zippy2 | whats line 1154 of update-grub |
| 02:07.06 | Zigara | sec |
| 02:07.16 | Zigara | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:07.31 | fas3r | i just want to block internet ( port 80 ) for one subnet ( 192.168.5.0) but not localwebsite |
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| 02:08.48 | fas3r | i think i block all request to port 80 from subnet and after i allow all local ip one by one |
| 02:09.04 | Zigara | Zippy2, any ideas? |
| 02:09.15 | stew | fas3r: what is the ip address of the website? |
| 02:09.37 | fas3r | 192.168.2.1, 192.168.3.1 and 192.168.4.1 |
| 02:09.48 | fas3r | i use forwarding ( three different server) |
| 02:11.19 | stew | fas3r: what is the subnet you want to block? 192.168.5.0/24 ? or something bigger? |
| 02:11.38 | fas3r | yes it's just 192.168.5.0/24 |
| 02:11.44 | stew | fas3r: if you just want to block 192.168.5.0/24 then it wouldn't affect 192.168.2.1 or .3.1 or .4.1 |
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| 02:12.35 | khangg4 | Can anyone here help me out? |
| 02:12.38 | Gekz | in debian, does madwifi install to /usr or /usr/local? |
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| 02:13.05 | asg | khangg4: just ask your question |
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| 02:13.38 | karsten | Gekz: Debian packages do not install under /usr/local/ |
| 02:13.41 | khangg4 | I just installed debian on my friends computer, but I think it was a net install cd and he can't get on the internet 'cause he needs drivers for his wireless card |
| 02:13.45 | karsten | Gekz: That's dictated by Debian Policy. |
| 02:13.55 | khangg4 | I just want to get to graphical right now |
| 02:14.01 | Gekz | it's a good policy |
| 02:14.02 | karsten | Gekz: http://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ |
| 02:14.11 | Gekz | thanks |
| 02:14.13 | asg | khangg4: that's not going to happen with out a network connection |
| 02:14.16 | fas3r | stew: no it's don't affect other subnet |
| 02:14.25 | RockerMONO | does anyone know how to start opensshd? =\ |
| 02:14.36 | asg | RockerMONO: /etc/init.d/ssh start |
| 02:14.43 | RockerMONO | thanks |
| 02:14.48 | k31th | /etc/init.d/ssh start ? |
| 02:14.59 | karsten | Gekz: http://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ch-opersys.html#s9.1.2 |
| 02:15.09 | khangg4 | asg, okay |
| 02:15.14 | stiv2k | help one day i accidentally did dpkg-recondigure -a and it reconfigured ALL of my packages and some of the settings i wasn't sure of i just guessed.... well now i accidentally chose a charset other than UTF8 for the console, and i cant type single quotes among other characters, and god knows what else i broke, help? |
| 02:15.25 | karsten | Gekz: You can determine where a packages files are (if installed) w: 'dpkg -L <packagename>' |
| 02:15.37 | Gekz | I don't have debian installed yet, that's why i'm asking |
| 02:15.43 | Gekz | but I'm reading now, thanks |
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| 02:17.30 | Bushmills | why don't come sid binaries compiled with symbols? |
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| 02:19.49 | karsten | Gekz: in the case of madwifi, IIRC, you're creating your own package, via source, using Debian tools. So it's all under /usr, not /usr/local. |
| 02:20.04 | Gekz | I am? |
| 02:20.09 | Gekz | Link me if you will. |
| 02:20.11 | Jaszbo | Hi room. I'm trying to set up my wireless connection. What are the best resources? |
| 02:20.38 | fas3r | good night all ;) |
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| 02:22.20 | stew | Bushmills: becuase you wouldn't want those symbols in debian stable |
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| 02:23.19 | Bushmills | stew: no. but, did any package aver go from unstable to stable without recompilation? |
| 02:23.23 | Bushmills | ever |
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| 02:23.33 | karsten | Jaszbo: Realizing this is somewhat stale, a good start is the Wireless HOWTO: http://tldp.org/HOWTO/Wireless-HOWTO.html |
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| 02:23.46 | stew | Bushmills: all of them did except for the ones that were put directly into stable as a post release update |
| 02:23.57 | Jaszbo | thank you. |
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| 02:24.02 | karsten | Jaszbo: Otherwise: get your wifi device working, install dhclient and iwconfig. |
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| 02:24.29 | karsten | Jaszbo: ... 'dhclient <wireless interface>' should bring you up on a typical public-access WiFi AP. |
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| 02:24.44 | karsten | Jaszbo: If you need to set essid, etc., use either the GUI tools in KDE/GNOME, or iwconfig |
| 02:24.57 | karsten | Jaszbo: kismet is useful for finding local APs. |
| 02:25.03 | stew | Bushmills: but except for security and other related updates, every package in stable was once in unstable |
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| 02:28.12 | Jaszbo | thank you, karsten. |
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| 02:31.27 | markybob | i've asked in #mysql, but no one there knows the difference between their ass and their face. does mysql_close() automatically free the results, or is it necessary to run mysql_free_result() for every result prior to closing? |
| 02:32.19 | Bushmills | stew, I had expected stable binaries to be compiled with the same compiler version, for example, rather than with whatever compiler was used for compiling the bins for unstable. |
| 02:33.03 | asg | markybob: if you are talking about C, I'd expect nothing to be done automagically. If those functions are for php or something else, mysql_close() would do proper cleanup. |
| 02:33.33 | asg | Bushmills: the whole toolchain passes into stable in the same way as other packages |
| 02:33.41 | markybob | asg ok, thanks. |
| 02:34.02 | asg | markybob: it should be easy to test if the api documentation doesn't say anything definitive. |
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| 02:34.47 | stew | Bushmills: not at all. and there are binaries in stable now that were in the last stable (and probably the stable before that) and still haven't been recompiled |
| 02:34.53 | Bushmills | asg, yes, but if there were older packages, they'd be compiled with older compiler. and not recompiled with recent toolchain. |
| 02:35.34 | markybob | asg yeah, i checked this. http://dev.mysql.com/doc/refman/5.1/en/mysql-close.html says it deallocates the connection itself, but doesnt mention the result memory. i'll test :) |
| 02:36.17 | asg | markybob: a few hundred-thousand mysql_close() without mysql_free_result() should make things perfectly clear :) |
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| 02:45.13 | jhujhiti | how can i tell the networking scripts to bring an interface up at boot but not assign any addresses? i've tried "iface x inet manual" with and without an 'up "ifconfig x up"' line |
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| 02:54.27 | hrmphh | how can i filter html message bodies in exim? |
| 02:55.22 | magyar | how can i resend frozen messages in exim4? |
| 02:55.41 | asg | magyar: the manpage is quite clear on this |
| 02:55.51 | magyar | is there a "postsuper -r ALL" ? |
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| 02:57.27 | magyar | if it would be any clearer i would just do it |
| 02:57.38 | asg | magyar: exim -M <message id> |
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| 02:58.15 | magyar | say it isnt so, for 50 messages |
| 02:58.38 | asg | magyar: mailq | grep frozen | awk '{print $3}' | while read i ; do exim -M $i ; done |
| 02:58.48 | asg | magyar: or something similar |
| 02:59.49 | asg | magyar: if you want to put that in a script named postsuper, you are more that welcome to do so |
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| 03:01.29 | magyar | asg: thanks, what about re-queue. Seince the mailname changed the frozen are queued with old name |
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| 03:03.51 | asg | magyar: you changed the hostname and exim config of the box with a non-empty queue? |
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| 03:07.04 | stiv2k | hey how can i get my xD card reader to work with debian? |
| 03:10.04 | magyar | asg: yeap, the hostname didnt resolve |
| 03:10.14 | magyar | hence, frozen mail |
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| 03:12.36 | squisher | man, freenode is empty today or what? |
| 03:14.20 | asg | magyar: well, you can either stop exim, change the hostname and config back to what it was and run the pipeline above or edit each message with sed(1) and run the pipeline. |
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| 03:16.47 | magyar | asg: postfix it is, thanks |
| 03:17.30 | BlackMagik | does anyone know what has to be inluded at the top of a program to use libext2fs? |
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| 03:18.38 | asg | BlackMagik: install the e2fslibs-dev package and read the api docs |
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| 03:19.40 | asg | BlackMagik: or section 3 manpages (you can find out which it installed by running dpkg -L e2fslibs-dev) |
| 03:21.45 | BlackMagik | ahh ok |
| 03:22.02 | BlackMagik | i was reading stuff off the fifo website but they left out the fundamentals to get started |
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| 03:24.08 | BlackMagik | asg: ok sweet, i got it to compile |
| 03:24.16 | asg | BlackMagik: hey, great |
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| 03:25.25 | I_am_python | hello world() |
| 03:25.44 | asg | I_am_python: hello is not a valid python keywrod |
| 03:25.47 | asg | *keyword |
| 03:25.54 | I_am_python | xxx |
| 03:25.55 | I_am_python | =) |
| 03:25.58 | kgoetz | :) |
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| 03:27.32 | asg | but hello nontheless |
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| 03:37.26 | schemelab | what can I install on Debian/Etch 4.0 that will start a program and then restart it should it fail? |
| 03:37.28 | sorear | strange problem with apt-get and/or apt-listbugs (google unhelpful): I tell it to pin everything and re-run apt-get, but despite the pin it still wants to upgrade gzip. Explanation / fix? |
| 03:37.45 | cast | schemelab: i use a while 1 loop |
| 03:37.46 | asg | schemelab: daemontools is an option if you are into djbware |
| 03:37.56 | sorear | schemelab: if you expect the program to not quit, while :; do program; done |
| 03:37.59 | schemelab | schemelab@li2-168:~$ apt-cache search daemontools |
| 03:37.59 | schemelab | schemelab@li2-168:~$ |
| 03:38.02 | schemelab | it's not there |
| 03:38.10 | asg | schemelab: it's in non-free or contrib |
| 03:38.27 | cast | why is it in there? |
| 03:38.30 | schemelab | it definitely will abort occasionally |
| 03:38.38 | asg | schemelab: sorry, it's daemontools-installer |
| 03:38.44 | squisher | sorear: your pin is not working? i.e. your config isn't correct |
| 03:39.00 | asg | cast: in stable, djb's new public domain offering doesn't exist |
| 03:39.12 | squisher | schemelab: you can put a sleep 1 into the while loop, that should make it a bit better |
| 03:39.14 | sorear | squisher: I haven't changed the config at all, so if the pin is broken it's apt-listbugs' fault |
| 03:39.28 | asg | schemelab: look at the runit package if you want something more free |
| 03:39.29 | sorear | squisher: er |
| 03:39.31 | squisher | sorear: oh, I didn't know apt-listbug could do that for you |
| 03:39.53 | sorear | squisher: just noticed I still had my own pin on gzip trying to do the same thing, deleting and retrying... |
| 03:40.00 | schemelab | what do I do on etch to add non-free or contrib? the sources.list file needs editing? |
| 03:40.03 | cast | ahh. |
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| 03:40.24 | sorear | schemelab: yes |
| 03:40.25 | asg | schemelab: /msg dpkg non-free |
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| 03:40.37 | asg | bah, the bot is still gone |
| 03:40.42 | asg | schemelab: /msg aptitude non-free |
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| 03:40.48 | asg | aptitude: botsnack |
| 03:40.49 | aptitude | asg: aw, gee |
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| 03:41.50 | schemelab | daemontools is not here - http://nonfree.alioth.debian.org/ |
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| 03:42.08 | hedos | Hello. What package(s) should I install to have all the necessary development tools for compiling programs from source code? |
| 03:42.18 | sorear | build-essential |
| 03:42.18 | kgoetz | aptitude: be |
| 03:42.19 | aptitude | extra, extra, read all about it, be is Belgium, Beryllium or the company who made BeOS. |
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| 03:42.25 | kgoetz | bah |
| 03:42.27 | hedos | Thanks sorear |
| 03:42.28 | kgoetz | i keep doing taht :$ |
| 03:42.31 | schemelab | it appears to be in "sid" and "lenny" but not etch |
| 03:42.44 | asg | schemelab: the package in etch is daemontools-instaler |
| 03:42.48 | asg | *installer |
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| 03:43.09 | sorear | hedos: note that most programs have one or two unusual dependances, I think you want 'apt-get build-depends $foo' if $foo is in Debian, otherwise read the README |
| 03:43.11 | asg | schemelab: do take a look at the runit package first though |
| 03:43.23 | hedos | sorear, thanks a lot |
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| 03:43.29 | sorear | hedos: not sure what the command is since I tend to read the readme first :) |
| 03:43.36 | asg | hedos: and if the readme says you need libfoo or libbar, install libfoo-dev and libbar-dev |
| 03:43.48 | schemelab | runit... ok |
| 03:43.49 | hedos | Thanks guys |
| 03:43.49 | schemelab | paste? |
| 03:43.57 | asg | schemelab: apt-cache show runit |
| 03:44.12 | icekold | schemelab: you could put the process in the /etc/inittab |
| 03:44.49 | schemelab | channels.debian.net/paste is down |
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| 03:45.10 | asg | schemelab: you can't type 'apt-cache show runit' on your box? |
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| 03:45.31 | asg | schemelab: oh, /msg aptitude paster |
| 03:45.39 | schemelab | asg: who said I couldnt? |
| 03:45.46 | schemelab | Adding contrib and non-free is not working : http://paste.lisp.org/display/51916 |
| 03:45.47 | asg | schemelab: misread what you said, my mistake |
| 03:45.50 | sorear | wow, this place really has improved since the last time I broke down and asked |
| 03:46.05 | asg | schemelab: you don't need those if you are going to look at runit |
| 03:46.27 | asg | sorear: it depends on the time of day, day of the week, non-sobriety of oldtimers |
| 03:46.27 | schemelab | runit looks like it's going to replace something already in use... |
| 03:46.51 | schemelab | why cant contrib and non-free sources be found - http://paste.lisp.org/display/51916 |
| 03:46.58 | asg | schemelab: then that's too invasive for you |
| 03:47.08 | schemelab | yes, I dont want to change things too much |
| 03:47.23 | sorear | squisher: almost there! down to one bugged package it won't quite pin, unfortunately that one package happens to be dpkg |
| 03:47.23 | schemelab | chris mcdonough wrote something like daemontools... I used it once |
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| 03:47.49 | schemelab | here it is - http://plope.com/software/supervisor2/ |
| 03:47.50 | squisher | sorear: :-) Good luck with that one... I always found pinning a bit tricky |
| 03:48.17 | schemelab | could someone tell me if I edited sources.list incorrectly? It's at the bottom of this paste - http://paste.lisp.org/display/51916 |
| 03:48.57 | sorear | schemelab: you did |
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| 03:49.30 | sorear | schemelab: you need to copy the original top two lines three times, and have sources for all three of main, contrip, non-free |
| 03:49.34 | sorear | contrib |
| 03:49.40 | schemelab | oh |
| 03:49.41 | schemelab | thanks |
| 03:49.45 | asg | schemelab: did you also run apt-get update after editing? |
| 03:49.55 | asg | or aptitude update (if you use that) |
| 03:50.03 | schemelab | asg that's next... that is what is failing per the paste |
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| 03:50.23 | asg | schemelab: no, the paste says apt-cache update |
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| 03:50.40 | asg | schemelab: you need to run apt-get update or aptitude update (depending on which you use) |
| 03:50.59 | schemelab | asg - yes, but sources.list was edited incorrectly. it's working now |
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| 03:53.40 | sorear | squisher: all working now! |
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| 03:54.22 | squisher | sorear: congrats! :) |
| 03:55.18 | bucky | doe anyone else read that as sore rear? |
| 03:56.29 | bucky | sorear, do you know mwilson? |
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| 03:59.03 | xsdg | bucky: man... mwilson is a blast from the past |
| 03:59.49 | asg | bucky: he can still be seen in #OpenBSD |
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| 04:01.01 | bucky | i just asked cause he's sd.sd.cox too |
| 04:01.14 | bucky | he went to fedora.... yuk |
| 04:01.39 | sorear | bucky: I get that all the time... and who is mwilson? |
| 04:02.05 | sorear | hmm. Marc Wilson. name doesn't ring bells |
| 04:02.09 | bucky | he was our resident crumdgeon |
| 04:02.20 | sorear | remember, sd.sd has about 2.5 million people |
| 04:02.30 | bucky | but he was too crusty even for #debian |
| 04:02.33 | schemelab | Is something wrong with this as a daemontools run script: cd /home/schemelab/daemons/jeval ; ./jeval.rb jeval-default-conf.yaml |
| 04:02.57 | kgoetz | dont know. is there? |
| 04:03.06 | schemelab | maybe the run script require #! as well |
| 04:03.14 | sorear | (personally, I hate programs that crash, and consider while-loops the deepest admission of failure) |
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| 04:03.56 | schemelab | yes, the run script requires #!/bin/bash at the top |
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| 04:07.56 | smacnay | is enigmal broken in testing? |
| 04:08.00 | smacnay | enigmail |
| 04:09.27 | sorear | bucky: I was active on debian-user@ once in the ancient past (3ish years ago, same name as /whois sorear) |
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| 04:10.13 | bucky | sorear, you nick sounds familiar.. glad you're back |
| 04:12.02 | sorear | apt-get dist-upgrade has now been running for over 20 minutes... (all packages pre-downloaded) |
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| 04:14.16 | bucky | that's a big upgrade |
| 04:14.46 | sorear | I think it had about 600 packages to do |
| 04:14.48 | smacnay | hmm, enigmail is no longer in testing? Is there another gpg lugin for icedove? |
| 04:15.29 | simon__ | I have a CRT which I do most of my work on, and a large television I watch movies on. I need the refresh rate on the CRT to be 85Hz so my eyes don't bleed, but the tv will only accept a signal at 75Hz. Is there an easy way to configure X to be able to switch between these? |
| 04:15.53 | sorear | simon__: sounds like a job for xrandr(1) |
| 04:16.12 | sorear | xrandr --help |
| 04:16.18 | simon__ | sorear: That does refresh rates as well? I thought it was only for resolutions. I'll look into it. |
| 04:16.28 | sorear | -r <rate> |
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| 04:19.50 | simon__ | sorear: Thankyou, that's worked. Although the -r option isn't mentioned in the Etch manpage. |
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| 04:22.11 | sorear | simon__: huh. line 94 of my sid manpage (with MANWIDTH=80) |
| 04:23.28 | simon__ | sorear: The Etch manpage has 39 lines (with MANWIDTH=80) |
| 04:23.37 | sorear | simon__: ouch... |
| 04:24.29 | smacnay | is there an enigmail for icedove in "testing"? None of the extensions on the Thunderbird site seem to work. |
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| 04:38.39 | ginoman | hey I have a question..... Open Office keeps refusing to run, it has a "bus error" |
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| 04:40.21 | sorear | ginoman: that's either a software bug or a hardware error. is anything relevant-looking on bugs.debian.org; do other programs crash; what does catchsegv <programname> say? |
| 04:40.40 | ginoman | there's a bug already filed against it |
| 04:40.54 | ginoman | the problem is the bug isn't much help in solving the problem |
| 04:41.01 | sorear | ? |
| 04:41.19 | ginoman | it told me to reinstall openoffice which i did but it still refused to run |
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| 04:45.45 | davidL | I am trying to install the cdfs filesystem. m-a a-i cdfs was sucessful but mount says unknown filesystem type 'cdfs' and cdfs does not show up in /proc/filesystems...is there something more I need to do? |
| 04:46.08 | sorear | er.. cdfs? |
| 04:46.39 | sorear | I'm pretty sure you mean iso7660, which is included with stock debain kernels |
| 04:46.47 | davidL | to mount a cd with multiple tracks -t iso9660 only supports one track |
| 04:47.08 | sorear | oh. |
| 04:47.17 | sorear | what are m, a, a, and i? |
| 04:47.36 | davidL | m-a a-i == module-assistant auto-install |
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| 04:48.21 | davidL | which builds and installs the kernel module, supposedly |
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| 04:52.04 | davidL | sorear: help me, I'm so close to getting mathematica w/ lambdabot working :D |
| 04:52.35 | sorear | hah. |
| 04:52.45 | sorear | I've actually never heard of module-assistant before today |
| 04:53.00 | davidL | stupid mathematica is in a .bin file though and I dunno how I should mount that :-\ |
| 04:53.18 | sorear | lo |
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| 04:54.54 | sorear | mount IMAGE HOLE -t iso9660 -o loop |
| 04:55.12 | davidL | yeah that's what my first instinct was |
| 04:56.18 | davidL | mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/loop0 .. blah blah |
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| 04:58.02 | davidL | "bchunk - CD image format conversion from bin/cue to iso/cdr" I suppose this will do |
| 04:58.23 | sorear | davidL: what does file foo.bin say |
| 04:58.39 | davidL | "data" lol |
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| 04:59.10 | Random832 | how do i tweak how much time advance warning it gives me when it's about to shut down from low battery? |
| 04:59.14 | Random832 | because, right now it's like zero |
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| 04:59.28 | davidL | I've never seen file be so undescriptive |
| 05:00.10 | Random832 | all I want is ten seconds |
| 05:00.19 | Random832 | enough to make a mad dash for the cable, and plug it in |
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| 05:01.00 | davidL | what if you trip along the way during those 10 seconds? |
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| 05:02.21 | sorear | Random832: I don't think it actually shuts down, I've never seen a debian system shut down in <10 seconds |
| 05:02.33 | sorear | Random832: does fsck whine when you start the system back up? |
| 05:02.35 | Ryan52 | I did a smart test on one of my drives and it said read failure. What does that mean? |
| 05:02.37 | Random832 | it shuts down |
| 05:02.40 | Random832 | i meant |
| 05:02.52 | Random832 | after i get the critical warning it immediately makes the decision to shut down |
| 05:03.01 | Random832 | sure i can plug it in, but it's too late |
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| 05:07.50 | v3nu5 | Hi is there a website with more free tutorial than the linux how-to project |
| 05:08.17 | sorear | there's always google, though the information there is less well organized |
| 05:08.31 | sorear | you have to enter search terms rather than just browsing menus |
| 05:08.49 | davidL | Random832: what is alerting you about the battery level? |
| 05:08.58 | v3nu5 | yes but some site can be not reliable |
| 05:10.09 | sorear | v3nu5: There's nothing stopping me from pointing you to a bogus tutorial right now. Google is about as trustworthy as IRC, imo |
| 05:10.23 | Random832 | davidL: i don't know, gnome? |
| 05:10.23 | v3nu5 | true |
| 05:10.29 | Random832 | there's an icon in the tray |
| 05:10.34 | Random832 | this is a more or less default setup |
| 05:10.38 | davidL | Random832: maybe something in /proc/acpi/battery/ will give you more info |
| 05:10.55 | Random832 | i think gnome-power-manager is _also_ the thing making the decision to shut down |
| 05:11.04 | Random832 | [or whatever its called] |
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| 05:18.05 | Gekz | what's this I hear about creating a backup of all downloaded debs? |
| 05:18.58 | Gekz | LVM |
| 05:18.58 | Gekz | LVM! |
| 05:19.00 | cast | and where did you here this? |
| 05:19.12 | Gekz | cast: I can't remember, was a while back. |
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| 05:20.53 | sorear | Gekz: there is always /var/cache/apt/archives, though not a backup in the normal sense since when stuff falls off the archive it's locally deleted |
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| 05:21.37 | Gekz | sorear: could I copy everything out of there to a USB stick and if I reinstall I could use the usb as a local repo? |
| 05:22.12 | sorear | no |
| 05:22.20 | sep | Gekz, with apt-move |
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| 05:24.31 | cast | neat @ apt-move |
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| 05:27.18 | rdz | hi all.. i have a silly problem.. when i do 'du -sch /hom/myuser' i get 3.4GB, when i do 'du -sch /home/myuser/*' i get a list and at the end the line 'total: 1.2GB' . where are the 2.2GB? |
| 05:27.55 | cast | ~/.* |
| 05:28.13 | rdz | cast, ah.. |
| 05:28.18 | rdz | i'll try |
| 05:28.30 | cast | i like filelight or xdiskusage for finding out where my diskspace has gone, FWIW :) |
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| 05:29.00 | Claudio32m | anyone know how to get rid of this error in /var/log/messages ? "Dec 5 00:14:55 silver1 kernel: hdc: tray open |
| 05:29.01 | Claudio32m | Dec 5 00:14:55 silver1 kernel: end_request: I/O error, dev hdc, sector 0 |
| 05:29.13 | Claudio32m | my tray is closed |
| 05:29.43 | rdz | cast, thank you a lot |
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| 05:29.50 | Gekz | is there a way I can search the repos using a command? |
| 05:29.54 | Gekz | say I want to search for opera |
| 05:30.20 | cast | !search |
| 05:30.22 | sep | Gekz, apt-cache search ? aptitude search ? |
| 05:30.32 | Gekz | thanks. |
| 05:30.35 | sep | apt-find if you want to find files in debs in your configured repos |
| 05:30.42 | Gekz | cool |
| 05:30.56 | Gekz | I've never used debian before, I'm installing it on my eee right now |
| 05:31.00 | Gekz | seemed the most suitable distro for it |
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| 05:31.48 | rdz | sep, isn't it called 'apt-file' instead of 'apt-find'? |
| 05:31.48 | GhostlyDeath | !damn X |
| 05:31.51 | sorear | you're not going to find opera though |
| 05:32.02 | rdz | or is there also a 'apt-find' command? |
| 05:32.30 | sorear | even non-free is limited to gratis software with unlimited redistribution |
| 05:32.46 | sorear | last I checked opera was payware-with-free-trial |
| 05:33.07 | Gekz | well it's not. |
| 05:33.55 | sep | rdz, arghhh your 100% correct |
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| 05:34.21 | cast | Gekz: go to opera's site, they run a deb repo |
| 05:34.27 | Nyle | fuck |
| 05:34.29 | Gekz | cast: yeah I remember now :P |
| 05:35.01 | cast | not that i'm suggesting anyone use non-free software. |
| 05:35.35 | Nyle | why: |
| 05:35.41 | Nyle | whats the deal with non-free? |
| 05:35.44 | Nyle | why is it evil? |
| 05:35.46 | Gekz | Opera uses less memory than Firefox. |
| 05:35.48 | Nyle | does it make your pc blow up? |
| 05:35.53 | cast | its a PITA to deal with |
| 05:35.53 | Nyle | who the fuck cares dude |
| 05:36.06 | Nyle | I hate this goddamn stupid fundamentalism |
| 05:36.42 | Gekz | I think it's only a matter of time before Opera goes FOSS anyway |
| 05:36.42 | Nyle | 'oh i hate non-free i only use free software' |
| 05:36.42 | cast | take right this instance, Gekz can't just aptitude install opera because its not in the repos |
| 05:36.42 | Gekz | I read somewhere the only reason they can't is licencing issues with the engine or something. |
| 05:36.49 | cast | or me, i can't run macromedia flash without fucking around because there's no amd64 port |
| 05:36.49 | Nyle | cast: I understnad to an extent |
| 05:36.50 | Nyle | but 'mon |
| 05:37.14 | Nyle | not using anything non-free even though it maybe useful but just because its nonfree people disregard it |
| 05:37.17 | Nyle | even if it is a good product |
| 05:37.38 | cast | or the win32 codecs, i can't watch some movies because they're only available for 32bit platforms, not to mention the legality of using them in the first place is a bit suspect |
| 05:37.39 | Nyle | I mean c'mon |
| 05:38.21 | sep | http://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=libuclibc-dev&searchon=names&suite=all§ion=all is there a reason why the exact same version of a package is in sarge and sid, but not in etch and lenny ? |
| 05:38.52 | ^Timo^ | anyone expierenced with metasploit around here ? |
| 05:38.56 | ^Timo^ | msfwebinterface ? |
| 05:39.53 | sep | Nyle, what do you want ??? deb warez.cc.debian.org ? it's not debian that's making the lisences for the non-free software packages |
| 05:40.05 | cast | i consider anything closed source to be a security issue as well, the windows world is full of applications spying on users among other things |
| 05:40.06 | Nyle | I'm not talking about debian |
| 05:40.21 | Nyle | sep: I'm talking about the stupid fundamentalist morons |
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| 05:41.55 | sep | we'll it's sane to advocate free software. since then the user space grows the contributor base grows and we all get better software. :) |
| 05:41.58 | cast | Ad hominem! that was what i was looking for |
| 05:42.18 | Nyle | sep: I understand |
| 05:42.30 | Nyle | sep: what do you do about people out there trying to make a living with programing? |
| 05:42.48 | sep | but you'r entitled your own opinions ofcourse. but calling FOSS advocates fundamentalists... well hehe :) |
| 05:42.48 | Nyle | I'm not against anything or advocating anything |
| 05:42.51 | Gekz | well actually, people pay to make GPL'd software now |
| 05:42.53 | Gekz | believe it or not. |
| 05:43.01 | Gekz | it's more of a bounty |
| 05:43.19 | cast | Nyle: if you think RMS is a moron...oh my, |
| 05:43.20 | sep | Nyle, i dont do nothing about them. if their product is better then others then i use it. |
| 05:43.30 | Nyle | I'm simply saying, even is something is useful yet non-free, people will find a much harder and mroe difficult altenative instead of just saving time. |
| 05:43.34 | Nyle | people are mostly dumb |
| 05:43.43 | Nyle | its sad, but its true |
| 05:43.48 | Nyle | an individual is smart, maybe |
| 05:43.49 | sep | Nyle, many will also use the non-free software |
| 05:44.05 | sep | Nyle, and people use windows. and pays for ms office. |
| 05:44.06 | Nyle | but I'm talking about the few who are like nazis about that |
| 05:44.12 | Gekz | I believe when there is a _great_ alternative to non-free software, it should be hidden from sight |
| 05:44.17 | Gekz | but Opera is better than Firefox in many ways |
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| 05:44.38 | Nyle | do you even know what I'm talking about? |
| 05:44.40 | GhostlyDeath | non-free means it's either closed source or isn't under the GPL/LGPL/Other FSF licenses |
| 05:44.47 | Nyle | GhostlyDeath: exactly |
| 05:44.58 | cast | GhostlyDeath: no. |
| 05:45.10 | Nyle | and just because of a stupid liscence thing or a restrction people won't use it, those kidn of zealot people |
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| 05:45.20 | Nyle | what the shit does it mattr to you as a user |
| 05:45.27 | Nyle | you are only using it to get yoru work done |
| 05:45.37 | Nyle | right? |
| 05:45.46 | Nyle | I mean what do you care, you're not distributing it |
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| 05:45.53 | Nyle | you're not going to try to modify the code or some such |
| 05:45.57 | cast | yes, free software is all about the users. |
| 05:46.00 | Nyle | I'm just like, FUCK, people are mrons |
| 05:46.01 | Nyle | goddamn |
| 05:46.04 | DawnLight | they believe they are doing their part in promoting free software by not using non-free |
| 05:46.16 | Gekz | they? |
| 05:46.20 | Gekz | generalisations have no part in a debate. |
| 05:46.21 | Gekz | >_> |
| 05:47.04 | cast | what happens when you become dependant on FooBar, and then the company making it stops distruting it, or refuses to fix bugs, or security issues, or add the features you want? or maybe they just won't let you use it for certain activities |
| 05:47.09 | GhostlyDeath | plus if you need to pay the bills, non-free is the way to go |
| 05:47.18 | DawnLight | generalisations are mandatory for a debate of social psychology |
| 05:47.22 | Nyle | cast: then you get something else. |
| 05:47.28 | Nyle | cast: your point? |
| 05:47.34 | ^Timo^ | i want to know if metasploit (msfwebinterface) can be reached from the oudside when forwarding 55555 (maybe with options like -a?) |
| 05:48.11 | cast | Nyle: well, being dependant on another the author for support is typical of closed source applications. |
| 05:48.16 | Nyle | it all adds to the circle of life |
| 05:48.29 | Nyle | it it weren't for windows or microsoft, lot of peopl would not hav jobs |
| 05:48.37 | magyar | hi, i executed "dd if=/mnt/backup_dvd.iso of=/dev/dvdrw obs=32k seek=0" the burn was successful, but i cant mount it. Why? |
| 05:48.51 | trpr | Nyle: they would have jobs, just not at MS :P |
| 05:48.54 | Nyle | lot of companies won't exist |
| 05:48.57 | Nyle | not talking about that |
| 05:48.58 | DawnLight | eihther that, or more people would have jobs |
| 05:49.00 | trpr | Nyle: they aren't creating jack |
| 05:49.02 | Nyle | I'm talking about the spyware remover |
| 05:49.05 | Nyle | or pc technician |
| 05:49.08 | open- | any webgui software out for router config etc |
| 05:49.11 | Nyle | or repair shop that fixes windows problems |
| 05:49.16 | Nyle | or geek squad |
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| 05:49.19 | Nyle | or computer NERDZ! |
| 05:49.25 | Nyle | or a number of companies |
| 05:49.25 | Gekz | [16:47:04] <cast> what happens when you become dependant on FooBar, and then the company making it stops distruting it, or refuses to fix bugs, or security issues, or add the features you want? or maybe they just won't let you use it for certain activities <-- You stop using it. |
| 05:49.30 | Gekz | Until that day you have no reason to stop using it. |
| 05:49.42 | Nyle | what about antivirus software companies, or anti adware/spyware companies |
| 05:49.46 | Nyle | its a whole circle of life |
| 05:49.52 | kgoetz | can you do this in #debian-offtopic? genuine questions are getting lost in the mix |
| 05:49.58 | cast | Gekz: the sentence stanrted with "what happens when you become dependant..." |
| 05:50.14 | Gekz | how could you become dependant on it |
| 05:50.16 | Nyle | kgoetz: ned. |
| 05:50.17 | Gekz | no, why* |
| 05:50.17 | Nyle | noted. |
| 05:50.20 | sep | Nyle, many can't use it becouse of those lisences. since the lisence might forbid it. basicaly you have to check each packages lisence against your use case. with debian main, you can be garanteed your allowed to use it. non-free means you have to check for yourself. and checking each bloddy lisence is a pita |
| 05:50.22 | Gekz | why would. |
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| 05:50.23 | cast | kgoetz: it is not at all off topic, it is core to debian |
| 05:50.40 | kgoetz | cast: its not off topic, but its not helping people with problems either |
| 05:50.42 | Nyle | I care two shits about liscences |
| 05:50.48 | Gekz | me too |
| 05:50.48 | Gekz | lol |
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| 05:50.51 | Nyle | let them come knocking on my door and try to take me to jail |
| 05:50.53 | sep | Nyle, so you awnt warez.cc.debian.org :) |
| 05:50.53 | Nyle | fuck em |
| 05:50.56 | Nyle | let em try |
| 05:50.59 | DawnLight | circles of life exist anyway. if these people didn't work for these companies, they might have been working indepentent |
| 05:51.17 | Nyle | DawnLight: it all gets tied in |
| 05:51.18 | cast | kgoetz: well, i was at least trying to help someone with a problem...just not a technical one :) but yes, this isn't going anywhere. |
| 05:51.23 | trpr | Nyle: that is where you and allot of people differ. I respect the licenses on the commercial software... meaning I am not going to steal it by placing it into some public repo with a bunch of FOSS software |
| 05:51.27 | sep | Nyle, thanks i understand your position now :) |
| 05:52.05 | Nyle | you know how you hate the cowboys because the cowboy team fans are dicks? |
| 05:52.06 | kgoetz | cast: i think im asking people to move so i dont join in as much as to help 'the poor users' (think of the users!) |
| 05:52.09 | kgoetz | ;) |
| 05:52.19 | Nyle | lets hope you understand what I mean. |
| 05:53.11 | magyar | anyone has experience with backupninja and burning dvd's? |
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| 05:53.40 | Nyle | I don't hurt animals, I would nevr do that, its psycho, but when you got the PETA people blocking a whole street teuing themselves to poles to protest against fur, i'll go right up to one of them and choke a fuzzy bunny, just cuz theyre dicks |
| 05:53.45 | Nyle | nevermind me |
| 05:53.48 | Nyle | I'll stop going ot |
| 05:54.06 | Nyle | eitherway, if you don't understand what I'm saying then nevermind it |
| 05:54.15 | Gekz | Nyle: no, you choke their leader |
| 05:54.22 | Gekz | you dont have to choke an animal |
| 05:54.30 | sep | humans are animals too |
| 05:54.42 | kgoetz | Gekz: *very* off topic |
| 05:54.45 | rupert-laptop | hello.. could you please help me. After installing scim, my gnome panel (located at the top) is missing! Any ideas how I can resolve this? |
| 05:54.47 | Gekz | kgoetz: :D |
| 05:54.53 | Nyle | I wasn't gonna wear fur anyway, but I had to wait 3 hours in a traffic jam because of them |
| 05:55.04 | kgoetz | rupert-laptop: do you have te bottom one still? |
| 05:55.15 | sep | just becouse we like to put ourself on a pedestal and calaim we'd evolution's golden boy. i bet the alpha centaurianse think of use as space slime. |
| 05:55.18 | Nyle | eithe;ads;lkfja;sldkjf |
| 05:55.19 | Nyle | im ou t |
| 05:55.36 | lhadji | Nyle, times like that you need to spark up a joint and hang it around and go chillout guys - who wants bbq meatlovers pizza? |
| 05:55.49 | Nyle | lhadji: you da man |
| 05:55.50 | cast | Nyle: for future reference refrain from personal attacks |
| 05:56.03 | Nyle | cast: there were no personal attacks |
| 05:56.11 | Nyle | I didn't attack anyone or was rude to anyone |
| 05:56.36 | Nyle | cast: you more than likely misunderstood something I said |
| 05:56.41 | cast | [151118] < Nyle> sep: I'm talking about the stupid fundamentalist morons |
| 05:56.50 | Nyle | cast: yeh and? |
| 05:56.51 | kgoetz | please guys... really.... |
| 05:57.02 | sep | Nyle, except the FOSS fundamentalists and the PETA guys. and the cowboy fanbois :) |
| 05:57.04 | cast | fine..*gives up* |
| 05:57.08 | Nyle | cast: i was telling him what iw as talking about so we could be on the same page |
| 05:57.18 | Nyle | cast: i fyou think i was callin him a fundamentalist then you're wrong |
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| 05:57.46 | Nyle | does that clear it up? |
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| 05:59.19 | GhostlyDeath | "This is open source, Open your sources and surrender your ownership. We will add your source code to our own distributions. Your source code will adapt to service the FSF. Resistance is futile." |
| 05:59.30 | rupert-laptop | kgoetz: nope... too bad :( i can see the create launcher.. but nothing happens.. cant get an xterm :( |
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| 05:59.47 | kgoetz | rupert-laptop: the create launcher? |
| 06:00.02 | rupert-laptop | kgoetz: nada :( |
| 06:00.04 | Nyle | sep: you didn't think I was being rude to _you_ did you? |
| 06:00.10 | sep | Nyle, no |
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| 06:00.14 | Nyle | :) |
| 06:00.21 | kgoetz | rupert-laptop: does alt+f2 bring up the 'run' box? |
| 06:00.32 | iKernel | Somebody install ggz-gtk-client, run ggz-gtk, connect and meet me in the Tic Tac Toe room =D |
| 06:00.50 | rupert-laptop | kgoetz: ALT-F2: nope.. im on ssh.. restarting now.. and trying other dekstop manager |
| 06:00.50 | iKernel | Nyle, you wanna play tic tac toe w. me? :D |
| 06:00.55 | Nyle | iKernel: eh |
| 06:00.55 | kgoetz | iKernel: dont join just to spam :/ |
| 06:01.05 | Gekz | I need something from sid and I'm using etch. What's teh best way to go about this |
| 06:01.07 | kgoetz | rupert-laptop: ok |
| 06:01.09 | Nyle | kgoetz: you need to relax man |
| 06:01.14 | iKernel | kgoetz, I'm not spamming, I'm requesting somebody to play tic tac toe with me |
| 06:01.18 | kgoetz | Nyle: i do |
| 06:01.26 | Nyle | kgoetz: right nwo I mean |
| 06:01.28 | Nyle | not later |
| 06:01.29 | kgoetz | iKernel: spamming and requesting are not mutually exclusive |
| 06:01.33 | kgoetz | Gekz: what something? |
| 06:01.39 | Gekz | atl2-source |
| 06:01.49 | Nyle | kgoetz: don't make a big deal out of it |
| 06:01.51 | Gekz | it has no deps specifically from sid |
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| 06:01.57 | Nyle | so what if the guy asked eh |
| 06:01.59 | Nyle | leave him alone |
| 06:02.01 | kgoetz | Gekz: check backports, and if its not there, build from soruce |
| 06:02.01 | cast | Gekz: /msg aptitude simple sid backport |
| 06:02.11 | Nyle | hmm |
| 06:02.12 | kgoetz | Nyle: yes mum :P |
| 06:02.19 | Nyle | eh! |
| 06:02.23 | rupert-laptop | ok.. my gnome panel is really busted... cant do anything on my desktop.. any other ideas? (Im just waiting for a restart...) |
| 06:02.30 | Nyle | >:] |
| 06:02.39 | kgoetz | rupert-laptop: so alt+2 gives you nothing? |
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| 06:02.42 | kgoetz | Nyle: :D |
| 06:02.56 | kgoetz | rupert-laptop: what about ctrl+alt+f2? |
| 06:03.15 | Nyle | I wish it was legal to kill things that talk |
| 06:03.24 | rupert-laptop | kgoetz: ctrl+alt-f2 gives me the command line terminal |
| 06:03.42 | rupert-laptop | ok how do i switch back? |
| 06:03.43 | kgoetz | rupert-laptop: log in, and run 'killall gnome-terminal' |
| 06:03.44 | kgoetz | er, |
| 06:03.48 | Nyle | rupert-laptop: try gnome itself, its busted |
| 06:03.52 | kgoetz | `killall gnome-panel` |
| 06:03.53 | Nyle | kde > * |
| 06:04.03 | sep | rupert-laptop, alt+f7 to switch back |
| 06:04.11 | sep | *usually* |
| 06:04.17 | Nyle | yes |
| 06:04.22 | Nyle | for :0 you will have 7 |
| 06:04.28 | rupert-laptop | ok i can switch back and forth now.. tnx sep |
| 06:04.32 | Nyle | for :1 you have tty8 |
| 06:04.34 | Nyle | etc. etc. |
| 06:05.13 | rupert-laptop | kgoetz: killall gnome-panel |
| 06:05.21 | kgoetz | yes |
| 06:05.21 | rupert-laptop | gnome-panel: no process killed |
| 06:05.40 | kgoetz | hm |
| 06:06.17 | rupert-laptop | kgoetz: so it seems not started.. ps -ef | grep gnome yields: gnome-session gnome-screensaver gnome-power-manager |
| 06:06.30 | rupert-laptop | but no gnome-panel.. |
| 06:06.41 | kgoetz | rupert-laptop: is GDM running? |
| 06:07.05 | rupert-laptop | yup it is |
| 06:07.20 | rupert-laptop | kgoetz: /usr/sbin/gdm |
| 06:07.40 | rdz | there is a folder ~/mail but i don't have a clue by which application it is used.. |
| 06:07.47 | rdz | probably sylpheed? |
| 06:07.52 | rupert-laptop | seems like i will reinstall gnome? omg... |
| 06:07.54 | kgoetz | rdz: mutt/mail |
| 06:08.05 | kgoetz | rupert-laptop: did you do a standard debian intall? |
| 06:08.20 | Gekz | err, why does debian still use 2.6.18? |
| 06:08.27 | rupert-laptop | yep.. it was working fine 2 hours ago.. |
| 06:08.41 | kgoetz | rupert-laptop: hae you installed/uninstalled anything otehr then scim? |
| 06:08.46 | kgoetz | Gekz: gnome? its the stabble rellease |
| 06:08.47 | rupert-laptop | kgoetz: i just installed scim.. but i think it removed some gnome packages.. |
| 06:08.52 | kgoetz | *stable release |
| 06:08.52 | rdz | kgoetz, thanks |
| 06:08.57 | Gekz | kgoetz: no, the kernel |
| 06:09.00 | sep | Gekz, debian have 2.6.22. |
| 06:09.06 | rupert-laptop | kgoetz: how can we check this? |
| 06:09.06 | sep | atlest in lenny |
| 06:09.06 | stew | Gekz: it was the best choice at the time when etch was frozen around a year ago |
| 06:09.08 | kgoetz | Gekz: samem answer |
| 06:09.15 | Gekz | I'm using etch I guess >_> |
| 06:09.21 | kgoetz | rupert-laptop: install gnome-desktop-environment |
| 06:09.33 | sep | Gekz, stable ofcourse have 2.6.18 that's why it's called "stable" as in not changing |
| 06:09.37 | rupert-laptop | kgoetz: from command line? |
| 06:09.51 | kgoetz | rupert-laptop: yes, log in as root and run `apt-get install gnome-desktop-environment` |
| 06:10.43 | rupert-laptop | kgoetz: ok installing now.. 55 upgraded, 57 newly installed |
| 06:10.58 | kgoetz | rupert-laptop: how many new? |
| 06:11.04 | kgoetz | and is anything getting removed? |
| 06:11.07 | rupert-laptop | kgoetz: will wait for a few minutes... Need to get 156MB of archives. |
| 06:11.30 | kgoetz | it should have said along with the upgraded/new message |
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| 06:11.57 | rupert-laptop | kgoetz: nothing to be removed.. 57 new.. so it seems scim did removed some gnome packages.. the problem.. i did not checked this morning.. and just answered 'Y' |
| 06:12.05 | rupert-laptop | many thanks for all your help |
| 06:12.31 | kgoetz | rupert-laptop: if scims not being removed in return i'm supprised its tahts fault, but hope you get running again :) |
| 06:13.10 | rupert-laptop | really hope so.. :) |
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| 06:13.18 | humbolto | any xen people here? |
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| 06:14.58 | cast | there's a debian-xen channel or some such on freenode or OFTC i suspect |
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| 06:16.10 | sep | where is dpkg btw ? |
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| 06:16.27 | kgoetz | sep: AWOL |
| 06:16.28 | sep | the bot not the binary :) |
| 06:16.33 | kgoetz | :( |
| 06:16.35 | sep | ack |
| 06:16.48 | kgoetz | aptitude: has been holding the fort |
| 06:17.45 | humbolto | for the networking setup (eth0 bridging) do I have to do anything else than setting the (network-script network-bridge)(vif-script vif-bridge) parameters? will xenbr0 ... be created and linked by itself after restarting xend? |
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| 06:17.56 | humbolto | concerning xen that is |
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| 06:21.07 | sorear | dpkg -> aptitude seems kinda odd. like "I can't get as working so I modified gcc to output Perl' |
| 06:21.55 | nocho | |
| 06:21.55 | nocho | Sorry, does anyone know because when you create a file, the user, not administrator and after putting "sudo chown root: root file" sudo chmod 700 file "I can remove it without any problem without being manager? |
| 06:22.23 | nocho | |
| 06:22.23 | nocho | Can be a bug? |
| 06:22.39 | stew | nocho: because removing a file requires write access to the parent directory, not the file |
| 06:22.57 | T1ncho | well, that explains it all nocho ;) |
| 06:23.39 | predder | is there a way to setup my /etc/network/interfaces to default to a specified IP if no DHCP server is found? |
| 06:24.08 | predder | or should I just setup a virtual interface for the static ip |
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| 06:24.55 | nocho | :) T1ncho, thank you for your contribution stew |
| 06:25.00 | nocho | ;-) |
| 06:25.24 | kgoetz | predder: yes there is , iirc, check the man apge |
| 06:25.26 | kgoetz | *page |
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| 06:30.29 | DawnLight | tagging packages is boring |
| 06:31.18 | rupert-laptop | kgoetz: FYI... rebooting.. |
| 06:31.44 | kgoetz | gl |
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| 06:40.48 | rupert-laptop | kgoetz: gazillion thanks mate... |
| 06:41.10 | rupert-laptop | kgoetz: im up and running again.. next time i wont mess with chinese input heh :) |
| 06:41.15 | kgoetz | rupert-laptop: no worries mate :) |
| 06:41.18 | kgoetz | glad to help |
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| 06:47.08 | Gekz | debian on the eee, this should be interesting |
| 06:47.56 | sep | http://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=libuclibc-dev&searchon=names&suite=all§ion=all is there a reason why the exact same version of libuclibc-dev package is in sarge and sid, but not in etch and lenny ? |
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| 06:48.11 | Gekz | what is lenny? |
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| 06:48.16 | Gekz | dpkg isn't here >_> |
| 06:48.19 | rdz | does ext3fs needs to be defragmented or optimized in another way from time to time? |
| 06:48.24 | bytekode | no |
| 06:48.28 | GhostlyDeath | NOOOO!! dpkg is dead! |
| 06:48.32 | rdz | bytekode, thanks |
| 06:48.50 | bytekode | fragmented filesystems are a windows thing |
| 06:48.52 | bytekode | :p |
| 06:49.13 | sep | Gekz, lenny is the curernt testing, that's going to be stable when it's ready |
| 06:49.15 | GhostlyDeath | bytekode: fragmented filesystems are a filesystems thing |
| 06:49.31 | sep | !test |
| 06:49.33 | Gekz | sep: will it be easy to upgrade from etch? |
| 06:49.37 | sep | @test |
| 06:49.38 | ravenbird | No, sep, you're not online any more. |
| 06:49.48 | sep | ravenbird to the rescue :) |
| 06:49.48 | ravenbird | sep: I'm not sure, is it larger than a breadbox? |
| 06:49.56 | sep | Gekz, heh... yes |
| 06:50.09 | Gekz | excellent |
| 06:50.15 | Gekz | is there a time it is approximately due? |
| 06:50.29 | GhostlyDeath | rdz: ext3 would need to be defragmented in certain situations |
| 06:50.54 | sep | Gekz, no |
| 06:51.24 | Nyle | GhostlyDeath: like what? |
| 06:51.26 | sep | Gekz, when it's ready, etch is sufficiently old. the bugcount is low. we'r still early in the release cycle |
| 06:51.35 | Gekz | so, you think years? |
| 06:51.41 | bytekode | Nyle: like being stuck in a windows mindset :) |
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| 06:52.12 | rdz | GhostlyDeath, i was running a partition that was heavy in use with only 3-5% free space left. could it be that it is now not optimized in some way? |
| 06:52.13 | GhostlyDeath | It's kinda like: "I use Linux therefor I am immune to viruses" |
| 06:52.22 | rdz | GhostlyDeath, i have now again 20% free |
| 06:52.35 | sep | Gekz, that beeing said. lenny is more reliable then most other distros as it is now. so i't quite common to run testing(lenny) on desktops and stable(etch) on "your life depends on this system" critical systems |
| 06:53.04 | GhostlyDeath | rdz: if tons of files are deleted there could be gaps |
| 06:53.05 | sep | but it's sane to start on stable since lenny does require a slight bit more thinking then stable does. |
| 06:53.14 | GhostlyDeath | unless ext3 doesn't split files |
| 06:53.16 | rdz | GhostlyDeath, that is what i just did |
| 06:53.27 | rupert-laptop | how would i know how much MB is apache2 eating up? |
| 06:53.35 | sep | Gekz, i hope >1.5 years |
| 06:53.39 | rdz | GhostlyDeath, how can i deal with gaps? |
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| 06:53.44 | rdz | do they harm at all? |
| 06:53.45 | rupert-laptop | cant see it on top.. |
| 06:53.51 | GhostlyDeath | rdz: they can slow down a drive |
| 06:53.57 | sep | Gekz, i dont want rapidly changing distro i have too little time as it is |
| 06:54.30 | GhostlyDeath | rdz: when a file is being read and it is told to jump somewhere else, the disk has to move there |
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| 06:54.58 | rdz | GhostlyDeath, yo.. my impression is that the disk reading is slower than it used to be... |
| 06:55.09 | rdz | GhostlyDeath, is there something i can do about it? |
| 06:55.19 | GhostlyDeath | rdz: Nope, unless you make a utility yourself |
| 06:55.25 | rdz | since i don't have another disk at hand, i cannot just copy everything over |
| 06:55.27 | sep | rdz, if you have too little space free on a drive. new files wil be written into gaps, instead of as a continuus free area. making reading adn writing slower. so it's wise to have atlest some space free |
| 06:55.45 | sorear | rdz: since you're making regular backups :), just erase the disk and restore |
| 06:55.46 | GhostlyDeath | sep: which is why defragmentation is needed if that ever happens |
| 06:55.46 | rdz | sep, now again 20% |
| 06:56.01 | GhostlyDeath | People are too ignorant |
| 06:56.13 | sep | GhostlyDeath, defragmentation ahppen automaticaly. if you have space for it. |
| 06:56.15 | rdz | sep, however, there was only little space left, while the disk was heavily in use... |
| 06:56.22 | sep | or you want to force it you can just copy data back adn forth. |
| 06:56.28 | rdz | sorear, yo..... |
| 06:56.34 | rdz | sorear, hehe |
| 06:56.41 | GhostlyDeath | sep: If your ext3 driver defragments it |
| 06:56.49 | sep | rdz, just make space available and it's ok imho |
| 06:57.01 | rdz | sorear, yeah, i nkow.. but i am not at home and i don't have another disk.... sorear i do backups onto my server |
| 06:57.09 | rdz | sep, ok |
| 06:57.14 | GhostlyDeath | There needs to be forced defragmentation |
| 06:57.30 | rdz | sep, but this will not touch already splitted files, will it? |
| 06:57.51 | rdz | is there any way to get rid of splitted files, without copying everything over to another disk? |
| 06:57.54 | sep | rdz, corect. but those are probably very few |
| 06:58.16 | rdz | sep, ok |
| 06:58.20 | sorear | rdz: only new files will split; basic laws of chaos theory say that in the vast majority of cases new files are short-lived, so the split files will soon be gone |
| 06:58.26 | bytekode | pointless discussion is pointless |
| 06:58.28 | GhostlyDeath | and the file copying to another disk would need to be individual files |
| 06:58.30 | bytekode | you don't need to defragment |
| 06:58.39 | rdz | sorear, interesting.. |
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| 06:58.50 | rdz | ok.. thank yoiu guys..that is all i wanted to nkow.... |
| 06:58.54 | Trewas | ext3 driver does not do any active defragmentation, but the fragmentation will disappear automatically if (all or nearly all) files are moved elsewhere and then back |
| 06:58.54 | rdz | :-) |
| 06:59.21 | GhostlyDeath | bytekode: You do need to defragment if your ext3 driver does a bad job at file placement |
| 06:59.29 | sorear | rdz: Listen carefully as you work. Disk seeks produce a very characteristic noise, and so it's easy to tell how much time you are losing to fragmentation |
| 06:59.40 | sep | rdz, the only way to check if you need defrag is to cehck for read degradation, |
| 06:59.45 | bytekode | ok i'll get right on defragmenting all 40 of my servers at layeredtech :/ |
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| 06:59.50 | lhadji | Hi guys. Using Debian etch 4.0r0. I was wondering with doing aptitude dist-upgrade(this downloads a new kernel) Does it update me to 4.0r1? |
| 07:00.17 | rdz | sep, how can i check for read degradation? |
| 07:00.22 | sep | you will see nn% non continues in fsck, but that's mostly bogus since all files > block groups is non continues by definition. |
| 07:00.50 | sep | rdz, your fav benchmark. or your customers call and complain :) |
| 07:01.09 | rdz | sep, ..hehe ok... |
| 07:01.14 | sep | iostat, sar, there are other tools |
| 07:01.19 | rdz | thanks |
| 07:01.49 | sorear | rdz: listen for chih-chih-chih-chih noises, usually pretty quiet on newer drives - quick and dirty way to observe disk performance |
| 07:01.50 | sep | rdz, i dont know if there are defrag tools for esx3, but you can allways convert esx3->esx2 defrag from fstools, and convert esx2->esx3 again |
| 07:01.56 | sep | but it's not worth the hassle imho |
| 07:01.59 | bytekode | ^ |
| 07:02.17 | GhostlyDeath | sorear: clicking? |
| 07:02.31 | rdz | bytekode, sep yo... i'll just leave it then... |
| 07:02.34 | rdz | thanks |
| 07:02.46 | sorear | GhostlyDeath: no, that's chuuh-chih! |
| 07:02.47 | bytekode | you'll waste more time defragging than you'll regain by doing it :P |
| 07:02.52 | sep | rdz, jsut try to keep enough free space at all times. |
| 07:03.00 | sorear | GhostlyDeath: usually accompanied by the sounds of panic |
| 07:03.21 | GhostlyDeath | bytekode: People usually defragment when they aren't using the PC |
| 07:03.27 | rdz | sep, i'll do.... it's hard when sometimes working on some projects, that involve media (soind and video...) |
| 07:03.45 | bytekode | oh, well all 40 of my servers that host my company are running 24/7 |
| 07:03.51 | bytekode | so i guess it's not an option for me anyways :-) |
| 07:04.03 | sep | sorear, dont write that... my heard skip a beat when i read disk failing noise on irc.. (good hd immitation there) |
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| 07:04.08 | GhostlyDeath | bytekode: live with fragmentation |
| 07:04.16 | rdz | bytekode, yo.. but you probably have always enough space left |
| 07:04.20 | bytekode | i will... while i don't lose money due to pointless downtime |
| 07:04.45 | GhostlyDeath | NTFS doesn't defragment much |
| 07:04.49 | sorear | sep: heh |
| 07:05.04 | GhostlyDeath | Drivers are alot better than when FAT was around |
| 07:05.40 | GhostlyDeath | I did lose alot of performance though since I compressed everything |
| 07:05.47 | bytekode | yeah like how they still hardcode search into the driver itself, so you're limited to ? and * for globbing |
| 07:05.50 | GhostlyDeath | but I gained GB in space |
| 07:06.05 | bytekode | that's microsoft for you i guess :/ |
| 07:06.47 | bytekode | otoh, you get fun stuff like "alternate data streams" that aren't documented at all |
| 07:06.52 | dalias | hardcoding ? and * into the driver? |
| 07:07.12 | GhostlyDeath | If only there were compression for ext3.... but some say it isn't needed and it will decrease performance.. what if you don't care for performance? |
| 07:07.16 | sorear | oh. that reminds me. is there anything I can do about mind-numbingly slow readdir() on large directories? |
| 07:07.41 | GhostlyDeath | dalias: if you have tons of files in a folder |
| 07:07.53 | GhostlyDeath | dalias: * is a wildcard and ? is a single character thing |
| 07:08.06 | dalias | i know how globs work |
| 07:08.15 | dalias | just confused what hard coding it into the driver means |
| 07:08.20 | sorear | ls'ing a large directory (/var/cache/apt/archives big - 1000s of files) takes over ten seconds |
| 07:08.25 | sorear | (ext3) |
| 07:08.59 | dalias | sorear, probably because qsort() is O(n^2) and uses lots of memory in glibc |
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| 07:09.02 | GhostlyDeath | Think I'll start working on ext3 compression |
| 07:09.29 | dalias | 10 million strcoll's are rather slow |
| 07:09.34 | sorear | dalias: I'd call that a bug, O(n log n) sort algorithms predate the GNU project itself |
| 07:10.10 | dalias | using LC_COLLATE=C might speed it up |
| 07:10.19 | sorear | dalias: it makes noises indicative of massive seeking, but my system isn't swapping, so I suspect FS driver issues |
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| 07:10.46 | GhostlyDeath | Have ext3 drivers even been updated at all? |
| 07:11.04 | cast | ext3 will be in bugfix maintainence only |
| 07:11.20 | dalias | sorear, of course, but everyone loves "quicksort" and most people even think it's O(n log n) |
| 07:11.24 | dalias | which is erroneous |
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| 07:11.39 | GhostlyDeath | needs hasing |
| 07:11.41 | lhadji | Hey. running Debian etch 4.0r0. I was wondering with doing aptitude dist-upgrade(this downloads a new kernel) Does it update me to 4.0r1? |
| 07:11.42 | GhostlyDeath | hashing* |
| 07:12.13 | GhostlyDeath | lhadji: If the repository is 4.0r1 |
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| 07:13.45 | bintut | hello all.. |
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| 07:14.02 | lhadji | I guess that makes sense. thanks |
| 07:14.22 | bintut | how will i test the existence of a dhcp server inside a lan? |
| 07:14.32 | bytekode | send a broadcast and see if you get a response? |
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| 07:16.05 | bintut | bytekode: how do you send a broadcast? |
| 07:16.17 | bytekode | you can use 'dhclient' |
| 07:16.29 | bintut | bytekode: without using a dhclient |
| 07:16.37 | predder | send a dhcp discover message to 255.255.255.255 from 0.0.0.0 by crafting a packet |
| 07:16.43 | sorear | bintut: apt-get source dhcpclient and apt-get install vi |
| 07:16.46 | predder | and wait for a response addressed to 0.0.0.0 |
| 07:17.09 | bintut | predder: how do you do that? |
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| 07:17.28 | bytekode | there's probably a perl module to do it on search.cpan.org ... i'd write a 4 line script, but that's just me :P |
| 07:17.40 | predder | bintut, what, you want c code? binary? |
| 07:17.44 | sorear | dalias: gnu qsort() uses mergesort if allocating a temp array succeeds |
| 07:17.51 | predder | you said you don't want to use existing software |
| 07:18.06 | bytekode | he could probably do it via netcat |
| 07:18.09 | bintut | predder: regardless. i just want to know if there's an existing dhcp server inside a lan |
| 07:18.19 | dalias | sorear, ah interesting but kinda nasty |
| 07:18.23 | dalias | why not just use heap sort? |
| 07:18.24 | bytekode | well you have your answer, send a dhcp broadcast |
| 07:18.28 | bytekode | how you do it is up to you |
| 07:18.34 | bytekode | easiest is dhclient |
| 07:18.42 | dalias | it's in-place, requires no extra memory, and is O(n log n) |
| 07:19.09 | sorear | dalias: istr hearing that it has bad cache behavior, though |
| 07:19.21 | bintut | bytekode: let's say you seat and plugin a cable to your laptop inside a lan but your laptop's eth0 is not configured |
| 07:19.39 | bytekode | then i would type: dhclient eth0 |
| 07:19.41 | bytekode | :P |
| 07:19.42 | bintut | i see.. |
| 07:20.07 | bintut | thanks everyone.. |
| 07:20.11 | bytekode | either that or hop onto another machine on the network |
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| 07:20.24 | bytekode | and see what class ip, netmask, dns servers, etc. it's using |
| 07:20.24 | xs4545x_ | christ |
| 07:20.26 | bytekode | and copy those |
| 07:20.36 | bintut | i should have to use dhclient first before the machine will be configured its ip statically |
| 07:21.10 | bintut | i am thinking of possible duplication of dhcp servers |
| 07:21.27 | bintut | i don't want to have conflicts as much as possible |
| 07:21.37 | bytekode | you only want 1 dhcp server per collision domain |
| 07:21.38 | bintut | once again, thank you very much for the inputs.. |
| 07:21.46 | bytekode | if there's 2... well... whichever replies first wins |
| 07:21.48 | bintut | bytekode: yeah |
| 07:21.55 | bytekode | which is why it's so easy to disrupt a network by setting up a rogue server :-) |
| 07:22.29 | DawnLight | is there dhcp authentication? |
| 07:22.53 | bintut | bytekode: i am planning to attach a box that comes with its own dhcp server but i don't know if there's an existing dhcp server on this lan. if there is then i don't want that my box will run its own dhcp server |
| 07:22.55 | DawnLight | where the server needs to authenticate to the client |
| 07:23.04 | bytekode | bintut: ah.. cool |
| 07:23.05 | GhostlyDeath | awesome ext4 will have online defragmentation |
| 07:23.46 | open- | how do i keep samba from opening ports on my wan ip |
| 07:24.07 | bytekode | DawnLight: there's other bootstrapping protocols than dhcp... i'm not sure if any do some form of authentification though |
| 07:24.14 | bytekode | wiki is your best bet |
| 07:24.33 | bintut | so in a script for my box's eth1, it will run dhclient first and after maybe 3 to 5 tries without any reply then the eth1 must be configured automatically a static ip and run its own dhcp server |
| 07:24.39 | sorear | bintut: that's begging for races imo |
| 07:25.17 | bintut | well.. |
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| 07:26.56 | bintut | second question: if the lan that i am attaching my box doesn't have it's own dhcp server then basically my box will run its own dhcp server. is there a way my box knows the current ip and network segment used on this lan? |
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| 07:27.32 | sorear | bintut: invent numbers. you're the dhcp server, you're leading everyone |
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| 07:28.32 | bintut | sorear: that's given already. but, is there a way to detect the ip addresses used in the lan assuming all the workstations are using static ip addresses? |
| 07:29.07 | sorear | bintut: send a ICMP ECHO to 255.255.255.255 |
| 07:29.27 | sorear | sudo ping -b 255.255.255.255 to see how this works |
| 07:29.30 | Jyzygzel- | i tryed to compile my first c program with gcc and it didn't work :< |
| 07:29.37 | sorear | doesn't work across some switches |
| 07:29.40 | Jyzygzel- | what file extension do i set? |
| 07:29.46 | sorear | Jyzygzel-: irrelevant on Linux |
| 07:29.52 | Jyzygzel- | no its not |
| 07:30.00 | Jyzygzel- | different extensions give different errors |
| 07:30.11 | bytekode | gcc file.c -o binary; ./binary |
| 07:30.13 | bintut | sorear: thanks again. :) |
| 07:30.25 | sorear | if you use something other than .c, you'll need to pass -x c to gcc |
| 07:30.25 | Jyzygzel- | why not just gcc hello.c |
| 07:30.32 | sorear | Jyzygzel-: no reason |
| 07:30.40 | bytekode | you want a ELF binary, not a.out |
| 07:30.42 | sorear | Jyzygzel-: it'll show up in 'a.out' by default |
| 07:30.49 | sorear | bytekode: erm... |
| 07:30.49 | bytekode | well, most likely :) |
| 07:30.59 | Jyzygzel- | i get shitload of error |
| 07:31.06 | sorear | bytekode: just because it's called a.out doesn't mean it's actually a ZMAGIC executable |
| 07:31.14 | bytekode | i didn't say it was |
| 07:31.16 | sorear | Jyzygzel-: put them on a pastebin somewhere |
| 07:31.22 | dalias | a.out is just the filename |
| 07:31.28 | Jyzygzel- | http://pastebin.com/d5b3da509 |
| 07:31.33 | Jyzygzel- | i fail that?! |
| 07:31.37 | open- | how do i keep samba from listing on my wan ip ? |
| 07:31.41 | dalias | on the other hand, i use aout binaries on my nondebian system |
| 07:31.47 | dalias | :) |
| 07:31.51 | sorear | Jyzygzel-: that's not C |
| 07:31.55 | Jyzygzel- | what |
| 07:32.00 | bintut | i have to go now. thank you once again for the inputs. :) |
| 07:32.00 | sorear | Jyzygzel-: cout isn't C |
| 07:32.09 | Jyzygzel- | well o.o |
| 07:32.12 | Jyzygzel- | c++ |
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| 07:32.17 | sep | open-, man smb.conf read about the bind interfaces option there |
| 07:32.18 | Jyzygzel- | aren't they pretty much the same |
| 07:32.24 | sorear | Jyzygzel-: if you want to write C++ programs, install g++ and run g++ myfile.cc |
| 07:32.26 | dalias | despite the trollish name of c++, c and c++ are _different_ languages |
| 07:32.48 | bytekode | Jyzygzel-: http://pastebin.com/m27e833c6 |
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| 07:32.55 | sorear | Jyzygzel-: related, yes. but if I started speaking Old German you'd be pretty confused, no? |
| 07:32.55 | Jyzygzel- | then this book is useless |
| 07:33.00 | Jyzygzel- | i wanted to learn C :-D |
| 07:33.04 | Jyzygzel- | not c++ |
| 07:33.27 | bytekode | they overlap a lot, but they're distinct languages |
| 07:33.33 | sorear | anyways, I'd better be off to bet |
| 07:34.18 | Jyzygzel- | never seen anyone using C++ in linux world |
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| 07:36.18 | dalias | jyzygzel-, :) |
| 07:36.32 | dalias | sorry to hear your book is useless |
| 07:36.55 | dalias | you could learn some general principles from it for sure |
| 07:37.04 | dalias | but not all of them will necessarily be good principles |
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| 07:37.22 | Jyzygzel- | lol it cost me 2$ |
| 07:37.26 | Jyzygzel- | im just gonna buy new one |
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| 07:39.00 | Jyzygzel- | whats the best C book out there? ;p |
| 07:39.34 | bytekode | "The C Programming Language: 2nd Edition" |
| 07:39.43 | bytekode | written by the dudes who made the darn thing :P |
| 07:39.55 | Jyzygzel- | those guys prolly know something about the subject |
| 07:40.04 | bytekode | i'd say so :-) |
| 07:41.05 | Jyzygzel- | i wonder if i can download it |
| 07:41.15 | Jyzygzel- | so i don't have really order it and have to wait days |
| 07:41.43 | Jyzygzel- | bytekode did you know that there is a 3rd edition |
| 07:41.48 | bytekode | oh really? |
| 07:41.50 | bytekode | cool |
| 07:42.00 | Jyzygzel- | downloading already |
| 07:42.03 | bytekode | :x |
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| 07:42.27 | sep | are there legal online book stores that let you download books ? for us with limited shelf space ? |
| 07:42.48 | Jyzygzel- | i think so :O |
| 07:42.55 | bytekode | they'd probably have to include some form of drm... i don't think i've ever seen one |
| 07:43.05 | sep | bytekode, why drm ? |
| 07:43.06 | Jyzygzel- | ionno im gonna order the book but i download so i can start right away |
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| 07:43.41 | bytekode | seems to be standard operating procedure for selling stuff online that is available elsewhere |
| 07:43.47 | bytekode | stuff that's easily copied anyways |
| 07:43.49 | Jyzygzel- | i hate reading from monitor |
| 07:43.58 | Jyzygzel- | books.. |
| 07:44.20 | Jyzygzel- | ionno the PDF isn't just as nearly as good as the real thing |
| 07:44.55 | bytekode | eh i just buy stuff at the bookstore |
| 07:44.58 | sep | Jyzygzel-, ofcourse the book is better, but if you have no space left (in your rl living thing) and the price is significaly lower |
| 07:45.00 | bytekode | reading through "mastering regular expressions" atm |
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| 07:45.16 | bytekode | just when i think i know everything about perl, i learn you can embed code into regex :/ |
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| 07:49.37 | Assid | err.. can someone help me with some quota issue |
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| 07:50.38 | Assid | i have a user which has tons of little files, and has used only 85mb (when i du -hs his home dir), but quota says its out of limit (he has 250mb) |
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| 07:51.57 | sep | Assid, keep in mind each file uses one block on the fs. so even if it is only 10 bytes it will occupy a full block |
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| 07:52.20 | Jyzygzel- | hello.c:1:20: error: studio.h: No such file or directory |
| 07:52.24 | Assid | sep: okay, how do i make it use actual usage |
| 07:52.24 | Jyzygzel- | y |
| 07:52.38 | Vasistha | sep: du should list actual usage, shouldn't it? It seems to here ... |
| 07:52.40 | Assid | cause this whole block size is messing up my accounting |
| 07:52.55 | Vasistha | echo 'hi' >a; du a; ls -s a; |
| 07:53.25 | Assid | Vasistha: 1kb+1kb in du doesnt equal to 2kb according to quota.. its the block size (generall 4kb+4kb) |
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| 07:53.59 | sep | Assid, reading man du i think Vasistha is correct |
| 07:54.22 | Vasistha | well ... uh ... theorems aside, did you try testing it? :P |
| 07:54.23 | Assid | sep: du does actual usage NOT block size |
| 07:54.25 | bytekode | Jyzygzel-: stdio.h, not studio.h ... stdio = standard input/output |
| 07:54.31 | tralala | Jyzygzel-, perhaps you mean stdio.h and not studio.h |
| 07:54.32 | Jyzygzel- | oh lol |
| 07:54.36 | Vasistha | Assid: echo 'hi' >a; du a; ls -s a; |
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| 07:55.04 | Vasistha | for me, `du a` shows that 'a' takes 4 kb, whereas ls -s only shows 2 bytes |
| 07:55.05 | Jyzygzel- | im trying to make my Vim in edit-compile-edit cycle mode ;) |
| 07:55.15 | Jyzygzel- | Quickfix thingy |
| 07:55.28 | tralala | Vasistha, the mysteries of the filesystem |
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| 07:56.14 | Vasistha | tralala: did you see Assid's question? I'm stumped :) Is there a difference between "actual usage" and "size of used blocks"?? |
| 07:57.06 | tralala | oh, didn't see this one |
| 07:57.30 | Assid | vaokay check this |
| 07:58.06 | Assid | http://assid.pastebin.com/d62962fc6 |
| 07:58.23 | Assid | somehow the user is exceeding block usage |
| 08:00.06 | tralala | isn't 86k < 256k? |
| 08:00.11 | Assid | yep |
| 08:00.15 | Assid | but see the * |
| 08:00.31 | Vasistha | Assid: could it be that there are some files owned by him that are not within /home/propertywizards/ ? |
| 08:00.32 | Assid | its exceeding |
| 08:00.49 | Assid | Vasistha: unlikely.. the user is jailed within his homedir |
| 08:00.58 | Vasistha | tralala: I think the relevant field here is "blocks" with 436692 kB |
| 08:01.14 | Gekz | hmm, I have nothing in /usr/src |
| 08:01.24 | Gekz | I need kernel headers. |
| 08:01.25 | Assid | Vasistha: whch du -ks should catch as 86K |
| 08:01.33 | Vasistha | Assid: couldn't hurt to do a find on the /dev/sda6 mount point for uid 1023 |
| 08:01.35 | tralala | Gekz, install them |
| 08:01.58 | Vasistha | Gekz: there's a kernel headers package ... in fact, there are several packages, depending on your kernel |
| 08:02.01 | Gekz | yeah, but what are they called? |
| 08:02.10 | tralala | linux-headers-something |
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| 08:02.17 | Gekz | so it would probably be a good idea to tell me how to find out :D |
| 08:02.20 | tralala | apt-cache search linux-headers |
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| 08:02.50 | Gekz | eep |
| 08:02.52 | tralala | dpkg is still out, huh... |
| 08:02.52 | Gekz | lol thanks |
| 08:03.00 | tralala | Gekz, /msg aptitude search |
| 08:03.09 | Assid | Vasistha: find . -user propertywizards |grep -v -i "/home/propertywizards/" ? |
| 08:03.14 | Assid | thats from the root |
| 08:03.57 | Vasistha | Assid: yeah, I was thinking something like that, although I would do grep '^/home/propertywizards' -- no need for case insensitivity since it's a case-sensitive FS, and the ^ anchor will speed the search |
| 08:04.35 | tralala | why scan the whole fs and then discard everything but /home/...? |
| 08:04.45 | Gekz | loading debian with a xandros kernel is the onyl way I can get ethernet atm |
| 08:04.46 | Gekz | >_> |
| 08:04.47 | Vasistha | Assid: I'd also restrict the find command to the mount point of /dev/sda6 |
| 08:05.42 | Assid | Vasistha: thats my / |
| 08:06.02 | Vasistha | Assid: ah, okay, no fancy partitioning. Yeah, he could have email in /var or files in /tmp |
| 08:06.04 | Jyzygzel- | how do i set the auto iden't char lenght? |
| 08:06.14 | Jyzygzel- | auto ident char lenght |
| 08:06.14 | Assid | Vasistha: handled by vpopmail user |
| 08:06.16 | Vasistha | Jyzygzel-: in which app? |
| 08:06.20 | Jyzygzel- | in Vim |
| 08:06.51 | Vasistha | Jyzygzel-: probably in ~/.vimrc |
| 08:07.00 | Assid | okay i thiunk i see why |
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| 08:07.18 | Assid | i had an nfs mount as /mnt/mount1 which also had a propertywizards homedir |
| 08:07.28 | Assid | that was from the other machine |
| 08:07.44 | Assid | but that doesnt show mounted.. however, i can still access it |
| 08:08.31 | Assid | does that make sense? |
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| 08:09.09 | Vasistha | well, it shouldn't effect the /dev/sda6 quota, right? |
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| 08:09.34 | Assid | well, since its no longer an external mount.. it becomes part of the / |
| 08:09.40 | Assid | seems to be cached somehow |
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| 08:10.35 | kanaldrache | Moin! How can i check which conffiles were modified by a admin? I need to port changes to a new version of exim4 ... changes from the package are irrelavant for me |
| 08:10.39 | Vasistha | Assid: if you're running a system with multiple users and quotas, you really ought to have a partitioning scheme :) |
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| 08:11.57 | Assid | Vasistha: it was a nfs mount of another machine |
| 08:12.04 | Assid | before i backed it onto this one |
| 08:12.08 | dimir | Moin! |
| 08:12.25 | Assid | i had to knock that other box off, so made more sense to mount.. copy .. and unmount |
| 08:12.34 | Vasistha | Assid: again, it does not seem as if that should be taken into consideration by the /dev/sda6 quota. Have you run that find command yet? |
| 08:13.04 | Assid | Vasistha: yes.. thats how i found this to exist |
| 08:13.57 | Vasistha | Assid: and there's nothing else, huh? What happens if you unmount that (or can you?) |
| 08:14.06 | Assid | Vasistha: that directory is no longer an nfs mount and is cached on my drive.. no clue how |
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| 08:14.14 | Assid | Vasistha: so will tar it up.. and delete it |
| 08:15.56 | Assid | brb |
| 08:16.07 | GhostlyDeath | CPU Usage on both my processors just cancel each other out most of the time |
| 08:18.22 | cast | -1 + 1 = 0? |
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| 08:18.58 | K|NgGh0sT | I'm guessing my syslog saying "sata1 hard reset" is a bad thing |
| 08:19.19 | GhostlyDeath | one CPU is at 100% while the other is at 5-10% |
| 08:19.25 | Penix | kanaldrache: I guess you could use diff to compare the modified files with the original files from the package |
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| 08:20.18 | Penix | kanaldrache: to atleast get an idea. don't know if a resulting patch would apply cleanly to a new version |
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| 08:22.13 | K|NgGh0sT | I need to buy me a new box quick |
| 08:22.16 | K|NgGh0sT | this one is dying |
| 08:22.24 | kanaldrache | Penix: Sure, i could use diff, but it's kinda hard to guess which changes were made by my former admin to the old exim4 config and which changes were made by the debian maintainers |
| 08:22.30 | Gekz | alright, I just installed atl2 modules so I can modprobe my ethernet, but how do I do that at boot time? |
| 08:22.42 | kanaldrache | I need to now which files were changed in sarge to get an idea what needs to be done in the etch version |
| 08:22.42 | Gekz | like, set dhcp to work with atl2 instead of whatever it thinks it should use |
| 08:22.44 | GhostlyDeath | hmm User Memory: 819.6MiB/996.4MiB; Used Swap: 120.0KiB/6.0GiB |
| 08:22.53 | kanaldrache | I don't want to just apply a patch |
| 08:23.18 | kanaldrache | And as dpkg seems to know which configfiles have changed i expect there to be an easy mechanism?! |
| 08:23.53 | GhostlyDeath | dpkg is dead |
| 08:24.03 | Penix | ah. ok. thought you were doing something else |
| 08:24.23 | kanaldrache | But naturally this does not have to apply for exim ... maybe the configfiles are not part of the file list and are generated while installing |
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| 08:33.13 | kanaldrache | My solution: find etc/exim4/conf.d/ -type f | while read file;do if ! grep "$(md5sum $file)" /var/lib/dpkg/info/exim4-config.md5sums 2>/dev/null 1>&2;then echo $file;fi;done |
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| 08:33.31 | Gekz | where is the blocked pkg list? |
| 08:33.53 | K|NgGh0sT | if I'm getting Emask 0x9 (media error) when booting does that mean my drive is dead? |
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| 08:39.40 | K|NgGh0sT | they had the best advance replacement |
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| 08:46.06 | sh0wt1me | how do you get the apt setup page? |
| 08:46.13 | sh0wt1me | im sure it was apt-setup |
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| 08:49.15 | simonrvn | apt-setup exists only in pre-etch |
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| 08:49.28 | Coke | Hello all. I'm looking for some software that I can use together with my own, it needs to draw graphs. Gnuplot and Grace will not work because they are based on scientific plotting rather than financial reports and has no way of accumulating or grouping values, things like OpenOffice and Gnumeric are just to big. I just need to get PostScript output to the printer. Any ideas? |
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| 08:52.14 | sh0wt1me | ahh no wonder :> |
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| 08:55.43 | K|NgGh0sT | can I reload fstab while booted? |
| 08:58.07 | bytekode | K|NgGh0sT: mount -a |
| 08:58.25 | simonrvn | yes, remount them; mount -o remount fstabentry |
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| 09:02.37 | ser45645 | what are you people doing on my computer |
| 09:03.03 | simonrvn | i'm h4xx0ring it, what else |
| 09:03.15 | simonrvn | ... |
| 09:03.15 | ser45645 | oh fuck |
| 09:03.35 | bytekode | lol |
| 09:03.39 | ser45645 | you can't haxxor me , I have read this bash quote |
| 09:03.42 | bettong | you can run... but you cant hide... |
| 09:04.35 | ser45645 | hey want to exchange rascist and extremely offensive jokes? |
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| 09:04.57 | Assid | Vasistha: you still abt? |
| 09:05.01 | K|NgGh0sT | even though my stab says cdroms should mount in /med they are mounting in /media |
| 09:05.14 | Vasistha | Assid: yeah, how's it going there? |
| 09:05.18 | Assid | well |
| 09:05.26 | Assid | apparently that nfs mount cache WAS the problem as i mentioned |
| 09:05.37 | Assid | somehow it cached the whole damn mount :( |
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| 09:06.24 | ser45645 | you guys like going to tech school or just awesomely self educated? |
| 09:06.24 | K|NgGh0sT | can someone that is good at LVM's help me? |
| 09:06.30 | Assid | dev/sda6 71856 153600 153600 2260 0 0 |
| 09:06.42 | Assid | i lowered his quota down to 150MB and its still showing up fine |
| 09:06.52 | Assid | although im trying to make sense of the block count mismatch |
| 09:06.56 | Vasistha | ser45645: I think most of the helpers here are self-educated |
| 09:07.01 | Assid | but i thnk i see why |
| 09:07.12 | bettong | evening all |
| 09:07.36 | ser45645 | oh this is a helper channel eh? |
| 09:07.36 | Vasistha | Assid: uhm ... which mismatch? Between 71856 and the 82... numbers? |
| 09:08.25 | Vasistha | ser45645: this is a channel for discussing the debian operating system. Are you using debian? |
| 09:08.39 | K_Dallas | Morning guys! I did a stupid thing which made my laptop to ask for network/server to log in instead of the usual username and pw. But I have no clue as what to enter in there and now i am being locked out of my system. I appreciate any help with this (i think it is due to activating: Remote Login via XDMCP) |
| 09:08.49 | Assid | Vasistha: yeah.. nailed that as well |
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| 09:13.48 | K|NgGh0sT | /dev/vg0 still exists, can someone help me mount it properally, since it seemed to of vanished. fstab isnt working properally |
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| 09:14.11 | simonrvn | vgchange -ay, done that yet? |
| 09:14.32 | simonrvn | have stuff in /dev/mapper ? |
| 09:14.52 | roxy_ | Could someone tell me why is the package glibc depends on hurd ? |
| 09:15.28 | roxy_ | shouldn't glibc depends only on tool chain stuff ? |
| 09:16.07 | simonrvn | um, apt-cache show libc6 |
| 09:16.10 | K|NgGh0sT | mount: /dev/mapper/vg0-media: can't read superblock |
| 09:16.10 | simonrvn | Depends: libgcc1 |
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| 09:16.50 | roxy_ | simonrvn: http://bjorn.haxx.se/debian/testing.pl?package=glibc |
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| 09:17.33 | roxy_ | I am waiting for nvidia-glx, it depends on xserver-xorg-core, depends on glibc -> hurd |
| 09:17.34 | simonrvn | because it's built for several platforms and arches... |
| 09:17.52 | K|NgGh0sT | How can I fix that above error |
| 09:18.23 | roxy_ | simonrvn: you mean that I am not gonna have nvidia-glx untill all arches are in testing ? |
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| 09:19.28 | Penix | what's with 'glibc' being involved at all? |
| 09:19.40 | simonrvn | whichever arch that package goes in for yes. that's typical. |
| 09:19.41 | Gekz | I have a problem updating with teh backports source. It says signatures couldnt be verified because the public key is not available |
| 09:19.43 | Gekz | what do I do? |
| 09:19.56 | Penix | Gekz: find a copy of their key and import it? |
| 09:20.02 | Gekz | Penix: where? |
| 09:20.07 | Penix | Gekz: their site maybe |
| 09:20.14 | simonrvn | K|NgGh0sT: what you get for file -s /dev/mapper/vg0-media |
| 09:20.16 | Gekz | that's where I'm looking |
| 09:20.19 | Gekz | but I don't see it anywhere |
| 09:20.32 | simonrvn | Gekz: /topic |
| 09:20.36 | Penix | ~no public key |
| 09:20.39 | Penix | bleh |
| 09:20.46 | Gekz | dpkg isn't here |
| 09:20.47 | simonrvn | @no public key |
| 09:20.50 | Penix | and apt's dead |
| 09:20.50 | Gekz | that's the problem. |
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| 09:20.59 | simonrvn | aptitude: no public key |
| 09:21.03 | liable | apt just lags horrifically |
| 09:21.09 | Gekz | it still hasn't replied to me |
| 09:21.10 | Gekz | >_> |
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| 09:21.47 | roxy_ | simonrvn: I don't understand. Shouldn't hurd depends on glibc and not the opposit. Glibc is not using hurd. |
| 09:21.50 | simonrvn | gpg --armor --export 0xXXXXXXXXX | apt-key add - |
| 09:22.08 | simonrvn | duh |
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| 09:22.26 | K|NgGh0sT | simonrvn, it just keeps running |
| 09:22.33 | simonrvn | recognise that debian runs on 13 arches, and you'll start to understand |
| 09:22.34 | Penix | their ID is 16BA136C according to the site |
| 09:22.44 | Penix | dunno if it's still valid |
| 09:22.44 | Gekz | Penix: so how do I add it? |
| 09:22.58 | Penix | Gekz: http://backports.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=instructions |
| 09:23.00 | simonrvn | K|NgGh0sT: then you have a problem, should return quickly |
| 09:23.10 | cemc | hi. i'm trying to install the non-free nvidia driver for X. i managed to compile and install it with m-a, but i can't install the nvidia-glx package, because i have xorg 1.3 from testing. can i do something to leave 1.3 on and still install nvidia-glx? |
| 09:23.13 | simonrvn | @nickometer K|NgGh0sT |
| 09:23.15 | ravenbird | 'K|NgGh0sT' is 52.000% lame, simonrvn |
| 09:23.16 | kernelbuilder | while trying to burn some data files in gnomebaker it showing directory length error how we can overcome this |
| 09:23.19 | Gekz | omg, how did I miss that part |
| 09:23.21 | Gekz | I'm so sorry Penix |
| 09:23.26 | Penix | no worries |
| 09:24.14 | K|NgGh0sT | simonrvn, it came eventually, /dev/mapper/vg0-media: SGI XFS filesystem data (blksz 4096, inosz 256, v2 dirs) |
| 09:24.36 | simonrvn | hm, i'd run xfs_repair on it |
| 09:25.02 | simonrvn | probably just a large partition |
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| 09:26.00 | LovNPeace | what is that linux utility to change vga mode in console mode |
| 09:26.46 | liable | you can do that on the fly? |
| 09:27.00 | K|NgGh0sT | simonrvn, can xfs_repair fix the superblock? |
| 09:27.12 | simonrvn | probably thinking of svgatextmode |
| 09:27.12 | Gekz | hurray, it worked :) |
| 09:27.14 | Gekz | I can now install pidgin |
| 09:27.49 | simonrvn | K|NgGh0sT: run it first, it might just go on happily |
| 09:27.57 | K|NgGh0sT | it failed |
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| 09:28.17 | simonrvn | superblock? |
| 09:28.20 | K|NgGh0sT | superblock read failed, offset 0 |
| 09:28.36 | simonrvn | you'll have to find the next one |
| 09:29.12 | Gekz | holy crap, debian has hal |
| 09:29.26 | K|NgGh0sT | simonrvn, how do I do that? |
| 09:29.41 | simonrvn | that i'm trying to remember =) |
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| 09:32.52 | simonrvn | @superblock |
| 09:32.52 | ravenbird | The Superblock contains a description of the basic size and shape of the file system. See http://www.science.unitn.it/~fiorella/guidelinux/tlk/node97.html for more info. If yours went missing, use e2sl (http://www.schumann.cx/e2sl/) |
| 09:33.30 | simonrvn | i doubt that's useful for xfs ;) (e2sl) |
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| 09:34.30 | habdel | Hello there, I am using vpn to connect to internet which creates ppp0 device and I want to be able to forward this traffic to my virtualbox machine !! any ideas |
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| 09:34.53 | K|NgGh0sT | Phase 1 - find and verify superblock... |
| 09:34.53 | K|NgGh0sT | superblock read failed, offset 0, size 524288, ag 0, rval -1 |
| 09:34.53 | K|NgGh0sT | fatal error -- Input/output error |
| 09:34.56 | K|NgGh0sT | Thats what I get |
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| 09:35.22 | |Virtus| | I thought you moved.. until I realised that I Was in Denbian :D |
| 09:36.21 | Vasistha | denbian? heh |
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| 09:37.58 | simonrvn | K|NgGh0sT: sorry, i can't remember, IIRC i used xfs_admin to do this, to find it. i'd google for it, personally |
| 09:38.09 | Vasistha | So ... I'm planning to make a bootable usb drive with debian on it. I'm anticipating being in a strange housing situation where I'm concerned someone might tamper with the usb key, but not necessarily steal it. |
| 09:39.04 | Vasistha | My question: short of encrypting the root partition, is there a way to prevent "unauthorized" writing to the root partition, e.g., installing a backdoor or keylogger onto my usb-key-bootable-debian ? |
| 09:39.05 | folken | all security falls with physical access. |
| 09:39.06 | liable | so strange you think they may alter the usb install contents? you moving into a cia safehouse or something? ;) |
| 09:40.26 | liable | hrm marketing idea.. usb keys that blow unauthorised users hands off |
| 09:40.28 | simonrvn | stick the thing in a safe |
| 09:40.33 | folken | Vasistha: you would have to encrypt the root partition and use selinux in oder to make sure that no one has any access. |
| 09:41.21 | Vasistha | well, I'm working on a proprietary software project, and our "security policy" is to simply never have the project data on a computer which is online. So currently I have an external hard drive that I plug in and boot from when I want to work on the project. If someone was to tamper with it, they could put in a backdoor that could activate the wireless connection and transmit my data, right? :) |
| 09:41.44 | Vasistha | folken: heh, I kinda suspected I was gonna have to take the route of encrypting the root partition ... thanks for the confirmation |
| 09:41.52 | liable | not if the kernel doesnt have wireless modules |
| 09:42.10 | liable | i guess they can always chroot though |
| 09:42.15 | folken | Vasistha: well otherwise someone might mount the partition somewhere else and alter things. |
| 09:42.24 | Vasistha | liable: well, if they install a kernel with wireless modules... :) |
| 09:42.43 | Penix | hopefully you'd notice that before it got further |
| 09:42.54 | simonrvn | don't forget to put a "videos" sticker on it |
| 09:43.14 | Vasistha | folken: yeah, that's exactly my concern -- just wanted to verify that there's no way to protect alteration of the partition, other than root encryption |
| 09:43.23 | liable | not "porn" though, it'll definately go missing |
| 09:43.30 | Vasistha | simonrvn: hehe, then *noone* will be interested, right? :) |
| 09:43.48 | simonrvn | better, family videos |
| 09:43.55 | folken | boring. :) |
| 09:43.56 | Vasistha | haha, yeah, there we go |
| 09:44.08 | Penix | "Golden Girls Pr0n" |
| 09:44.17 | Vasistha | ...as opposed to family-making videos... |
| 09:44.17 | simonrvn | oh fuck hehehe |
| 09:44.20 | liable | ya, vacation videos, noone will go near it |
| 09:44.23 | K|NgGh0sT | simonrvn, thanks anyways |
| 09:44.32 | simonrvn | K|NgGh0sT: good luck |
| 09:44.33 | liable | Penix: *shudder* |
| 09:44.38 | Penix | liable: exactly |
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| 09:44.52 | neotic | scripts/basic/fixdep.c:107:23: error: sys/types.h: No such file or directory |
| 09:44.59 | neotic | i always forget which package to install when i get that |
| 09:45.11 | folken | neotic: install apt-file |
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| 09:45.14 | simonrvn | @b-e neotic |
| 09:45.14 | ravenbird | neotic: Sounds like you need to install build-essential. aptitude install build-essential |
| 09:45.16 | liable | Penix: problem is, the probably is someone that would find it, erm, titilating.. |
| 09:45.24 | neotic | thanks all :) |
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| 09:45.49 | Penix | yeah, those Novell dudes are pretty freaky |
| 09:46.09 | liable | RMS prolly would.. ;) |
| 09:46.12 | Penix | heh |
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| 09:48.10 | Vasistha | damn, 'thinkfinger' is still in experimental. Maybe I'll just have to do a simple sid ... err, experimental backport. hope it works easily. I wonder if there are any experience reports about such a thing. I wonder if I can make thinkfinger work with my encrypted root partition password :D |
| 09:48.43 | Vasistha | why do I always figure out a way to combine all of the really complicated things? :) |
| 09:49.00 | folken | Vasistha: it works quite well. Altough i don't know yet how to get my screensaver to unlock. |
| 09:49.39 | Vasistha | folken: you mean, with a finger swipe, as opposed to a typed password? |
| 09:49.49 | folken | Vasistha: i compiled it on unstable and made a package with http://projectdream.org/sw/sw-utils-1.0.1/ |
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| 09:50.04 | stew | it would be great for the first 10 password rotations, after that you are going to have to get creative |
| 09:50.07 | stew | err 9 |
| 09:50.16 | folken | Vasistha: yes i can login both console and gdm, it works for sudo too |
| 09:50.30 | simonrvn | knuckles, toes, elbows, ... |
| 09:50.31 | folken | but i am not entierly clear as to how its supposed to be integrated in pan. |
| 09:50.32 | Vasistha | folken: nice. Well, I usually run stable, so ... heh ... I'll make it work (praying) |
| 09:50.36 | folken | s/pan/pam/ |
| 09:50.42 | simonrvn | or, use a salt |
| 09:50.47 | Vasistha | stew: hey dude can I borrow your finger ... I mean permanently |
| 09:51.12 | simonrvn | change up the finger used, and use a salt |
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| 09:51.20 | Vasistha | one thing |
| 09:51.21 | Vasistha | erm |
| 09:51.23 | simonrvn | and change up the salt |
| 09:51.24 | stew | simonrvn: i can imagine myself needing to reboot during a meeting, "Pardon me, i have to take my shoes off to reboot" |
| 09:51.33 | simonrvn | hehehe |
| 09:51.42 | stew | "becuase linux is better than what you guys are using" |
| 09:51.59 | simonrvn | sure provides some cemodey relief :) |
| 09:52.01 | Vasistha | that I don't understand : can you set it up to use the same finger for different password in different apps? Or does the finger scanner send a plaintext password to the app requesting it? |
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| 09:52.04 | simonrvn | comedy* |
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| 09:52.23 | simonrvn | dunno |
| 09:53.08 | Vasistha | I guess I worded that question poorly. I just wonder if the scanner sends some kind of finger-identification-hash to the OS which the OS can associate with a password, or if the scanner somehow memorizes passwords ... actually the latter doesn't make that much sense. |
| 09:53.14 | simonrvn | stew: "using the crap you guys use i'd be stuck just using my thumb. sheesh! how boring!" |
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| 09:53.34 | Vasistha | hehe how about your tongue |
| 09:54.02 | simonrvn | "lick your way to security!" |
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| 09:54.33 | Vasistha | damn it, I burned my tongue, now I can't log in |
| 09:54.51 | simonrvn | or you bit it earlier that day |
| 09:54.53 | bettong | lol |
| 09:55.07 | Vasistha | actually, that remainds a concern ... what if I hurt my finger? Maybe I'll associate two different fingers with each password? :) |
| 09:55.34 | tralala | where can I read about setxkbmap options? The man page isn't giving any details. |
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| 09:57.39 | Vasistha | google? :P |
| 09:57.39 | Penix | tralala: tried 'info setxkbmap'? |
| 09:58.01 | Penix | hmm. pretty much the same |
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| 09:59.47 | simonrvn | @tell indraveni -about root |
| 10:00.36 | K_Dallas | Any help on how to disabling XDMCP ? Thsnks |
| 10:01.27 | simonrvn | ctrl-alt-f1 stop gdm run startx run gdmsetup as root or edit the gdm.conf |
| 10:02.28 | simonrvn | skip run startx if just editing gdm.conf ;) |
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| 10:02.59 | Vasistha | K_Dallas: you might try running in recovery mode from the boot menu (aka single user mode) |
| 10:03.04 | K_Dallas | simonrvn, in gdm.conf the xdmcp is false yet i when i boot i get into it |
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| 10:03.28 | simonrvn | comment it out |
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| 10:03.37 | Haris_ | Hello guys |
| 10:03.44 | simonrvn | you have to restart it too eh |
| 10:03.52 | Haris_ | What does debian have as an alternative to /sbin/nologin? |
| 10:04.05 | K_Dallas | simonrvn, thanks, going to try that right now |
| 10:04.25 | TheWanderer | Haris_: /usr/sbin/nologin |
| 10:04.50 | Haris_ | aha! |
| 10:04.55 | TheWanderer | you could have used `which` :P |
| 10:05.06 | Vasistha | (as root) |
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| 10:05.15 | Jyzygzy- | anyone know how to make a compile button to Vim? |
| 10:05.23 | Haris_ | TheWanderer: What package does it come with? |
| 10:05.26 | Jyzygzy- | The F5 bind! |
| 10:05.37 | simonrvn | vim.org ? |
| 10:05.45 | Jyzygzy- | lets see |
| 10:05.49 | Jyzygzy- | what am i searching? |
| 10:05.50 | TheWanderer | login |
| 10:05.50 | TheWanderer | : /usr/sbin/nologin |
| 10:05.53 | |Virtus| | Is it possible to setup 2 screens so that one screen will run screensaver if I have not been there with the mouce for a while? |
| 10:06.00 | Jyzygzy- | Script? |
| 10:06.04 | TheWanderer | package "login" contains /usr/sbin/nologin :D |
| 10:06.27 | Vasistha | |Virtus|: ...and the other one not be on screensave? That's an unusual request :) sounds like a good question for #xorg |
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| 10:07.19 | |Virtus| | Vasistha, yeah, gonna try it.. :D Cause I have a 22" screen as main and then a 42" plasma as "etc" screen.. where I just have e-mail and irc |
| 10:07.33 | |Virtus| | Would be nice to run my matrix ss in the 42 whenever I dont use it :D |
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| 10:07.56 | indraveni | I have installed debian lenny, and i am seeing that all my harddisk partitions are mounted automatically on my desktop |
| 10:07.59 | indraveni | which package is responsible for this ? |
| 10:08.00 | [n00b]Shadow | upgrading sarge to 4.0 wont rape anything? |
| 10:08.06 | Vasistha | |Virtus|: oh, that horrible thing with the dropping green letters? ugh :) heh, I'm glad someone enjoys it |
| 10:08.19 | Jyzygzy- | simonrvn? |
| 10:08.20 | TheWanderer | indraveni: maybe check /etc/fstab? ;) |
| 10:08.20 | |Virtus| | Vasistha, that's the one :D |
| 10:08.34 | Vasistha | indraveni: I know kde has an automounting tool |
| 10:08.44 | indraveni | not the file, i want to know which package is doing this work of editing the /etc/fstab |
| 10:08.46 | simonrvn | Jyzygzy-: whatever you're looking for .. |
| 10:08.55 | Vasistha | [n00b]Shadow: there's some reading material on that... |
| 10:09.01 | Vasistha | ~sarge->etch |
| 10:09.06 | Vasistha | !sarge->etch |
| 10:09.10 | simonrvn | @sarge->etch |
| 10:09.11 | Vasistha | %sarge->etch |
| 10:09.15 | Vasistha | wtf |
| 10:09.18 | simonrvn | ravenbird: sarge->etch |
| 10:09.18 | ravenbird | (Sarge too old for you already? Edit your sources.list ('editor /etc/apt/sources.list'), change all non-local mentions of 'sarge' or 'stable' to 'etch', and replace the security.debian.org line by a testing security line (ask me about testing security). Save the file, then 'apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade'. Then subscribe to d-d-a (/msg ravenbird d-d-a) |
| 10:09.46 | Vasistha | isn't there a page on the web to read with warnings/cautions/etc ? |
| 10:09.49 | [n00b]Shadow | no reboot needed either? x/ |
| 10:09.51 | simonrvn | meh, old, but gets the point across |
| 10:09.59 | simonrvn | yes, releasenotes |
| 10:10.14 | simonrvn | @release notes |
| 10:10.14 | ravenbird | methinks release notes is http://www.debian.org/releases/potato/i386/release-notes/ |
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| 10:10.20 | indraveni | but gnome is also doing this auto mounting operation |
| 10:10.22 | simonrvn | not that... |
| 10:10.59 | TheWanderer | indraveni: check your /etc/fstab and maybe disable the permissions to auto-mount filesystems by user |
| 10:11.03 | folken | more like http://www.debian.org/releases/etch/i386/release-notes/ |
| 10:12.05 | Vasistha | [n00b]Shadow: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/releasenotes |
| 10:12.17 | Vasistha | erm ... wow, I'm slow :) |
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| 10:12.34 | [n00b]Shadow | thx |
| 10:12.58 | Jyzygzy- | Does anyone have a Conpile button in their Vim? |
| 10:13.01 | Jyzygzy- | Compile |
| 10:13.03 | simonrvn | @no release notes is <reply>http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/releasenotes |
| 10:13.04 | ravenbird | simonrvn: okay |
| 10:13.08 | TheWanderer | hey guys, anyone knows an utility for converting CloneCD-made images (.img) to ISO-9660? cause I just discovered old copies of UT2004 in this exotic format :> |
| 10:13.50 | john_scrotum | I don't have any buttons in my VIM. lol. |
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| 10:13.57 | TheWanderer | neither do I... |
| 10:13.59 | Jyzygzy- | well a bind |
| 10:14.02 | Jyzygzy- | hotkey |
| 10:14.04 | Jyzygzy- | whatever |
| 10:14.05 | simonrvn | s/he's thinking gvim |
| 10:14.09 | Jyzygzy- | no im no |
| 10:14.10 | TheWanderer | but... what do you mean by Compile? xD |
| 10:14.11 | Jyzygzy- | tr |
| 10:14.17 | Jyzygzy- | Compile the C file |
| 10:14.20 | Jyzygzy- | that you are editing |
| 10:14.23 | TheWanderer | cannot you just run gcc? |
| 10:14.24 | Trewas | TheWanderer: that's not doable in general, as clonecd-image may include much more than one simple filesystem track |
| 10:14.30 | Jyzygzy- | every time... |
| 10:14.36 | Jyzygzy- | you know how slow that is |
| 10:14.50 | Jyzygzy- | first run the gcc and type the file name for the gcc and the output |
| 10:14.54 | Jyzygzy- | and then execute it |
| 10:14.57 | simonrvn | *cough* shell history *cough* |
| 10:15.05 | TheWanderer | why don't you use some graphical editors with real plugins? |
| 10:15.13 | Jyzygzy- | no! |
| 10:15.14 | TheWanderer | Kate <3 |
| 10:15.18 | Jyzygzy- | graphical is out |
| 10:15.25 | simonrvn | emacs |
| 10:15.37 | azeem | :!! executes the last external command again |
| 10:15.37 | Jyzygzy- | emacs is so out that i don't even wanna start |
| 10:15.46 | Jyzygzy- | azeem yea and if there is none |
| 10:15.50 | TheWanderer | run a daemon that will compile your C file every 15 seconds :P |
| 10:15.57 | azeem | Jyzygzy-: customize your vim then |
| 10:15.58 | Jyzygzy- | jesus.. |
| 10:16.03 | azeem | I bet there's a #vim chan |
| 10:16.10 | Jyzygzy- | its dead |
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| 10:16.33 | Jyzygzy- | noone is awake in that channel |
| 10:16.46 | azeem | Jyzygzy-: so wait |
| 10:16.52 | Jyzygzy- | no time to wait! |
| 10:16.58 | Jyzygzy- | time is running out |
| 10:17.07 | petemc | get googling |
| 10:17.14 | folken | http://librenix.com/?inode=95 Intro to C/C++ Programming with vim |
| 10:17.14 | azeem | Jyzygzy-: this is a support channel not your personal emergency room |
| 10:17.19 | simonrvn | "ohnoz it's not based on kde therefore it's 'out'" *yawn* |
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| 10:17.30 | Jyzygzy- | what |
| 10:17.37 | Jyzygzy- | this isn't my emergency room? :< |
| 10:17.52 | Jyzygzy- | i tho everyone is here for me |
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| 10:18.24 | folken | perspective is everything. |
| 10:18.30 | onvsop | fglrx one lines |
| 10:18.32 | onvsop | fglrx one liner |
| 10:18.34 | asn | How can we make a D-LINK DUB-E100 work with the Debian installer? |
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| 10:18.44 | onvsop | !ask fglrx one liner |
| 10:18.54 | onvsop | how do we ask the bot something ? |
| 10:19.01 | Vasistha | onvsop: dpkg is down, try to trigger with @ instead of ! |
| 10:19.09 | onvsop | ohh :) |
| 10:19.09 | fengor | Jyzygzy-: http://www.wana.at/vimshell/ |
| 10:19.17 | onvsop | @ask fglrx one liner |
| 10:19.19 | Enverex | The bot is aptitude now |
| 10:19.25 | K_Dallas | simonrvn, i have commented out the XDMCP in the gdm.conf but still on reboot i am being sent back to Add Host window and cannot do anything there |
| 10:19.28 | Enverex | aptitude, fglrx |
| 10:19.29 | Jyzygzy- | folken yes... a real intro that was |
| 10:19.30 | Vasistha | ~hello |
| 10:19.31 | apt | Howdy Bub |
| 10:19.34 | folken | Usb Ethernet *shudder* |
| 10:19.35 | Enverex | Or it was |
| 10:20.17 | onvsop | does anyone know the one liner? |
| 10:20.19 | onvsop | :D |
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| 10:20.39 | fengor | or use screen with vim in one screen and a shellw ith aliases for building in another screen |
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| 10:20.55 | TheWanderer | asn: there don't seem to be any drivers for this kind of USB Ethernet adapter |
| 10:21.51 | TheWanderer | if possible, use a PCI network interface |
| 10:22.01 | asn | if possible, send me one. |
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| 10:22.13 | Vasistha | ~fglrx one-liner |
| 10:22.24 | Vasistha | grumble |
| 10:22.44 | john_scrotum | what is one liner all about? who is one liner? |
| 10:22.49 | azeem | aptitude: fglrx one-liner |
| 10:23.02 | fengor | you need the oneliner Vasistha ? |
| 10:23.02 | folken | asn: it should work with the usbnet driver |
| 10:23.11 | Vasistha | fengor: no, that guy did who left. |
| 10:23.27 | asn | folken, is it on the installer? |
| 10:23.28 | bettong | whoever killed dpkg, you have a lot of typing to make up for :| |
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| 10:24.09 | fengor | ah ok Vasistha |
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| 10:24.47 | fengor | but if he joins again tellh im to hilight me. i still have it in a query with dpkg lying around |
| 10:24.59 | john_scrotum | what is one liner? never heard of it before. |
| 10:25.05 | Vasistha | fengor: it peeves me when I go find something, and then the person who asks for it quits. Some people are so damn impatient |
| 10:25.33 | Vasistha | john_scrotum: it means, "do a bunch of commands in one shell line to get a specific task done" |
| 10:25.38 | fengor | john_scrotum: 19:09 <dpkg> i heard fglrx one-liner is update-pciids ; apt-get install module-assistant fglrx-driver fglrx-control fglrx-kernel-src && m-a prepare && m-a a-i fglrx && modprobe fglrx && echo fglrx >> /etc/modules && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg. Contrib and non-free sources needed. ask me about <non-free sources> |
| 10:26.09 | john_scrotum | gotcha. thanx |
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| 10:26.37 | Vasistha | fengor: I'll be getting a t42 with ati graphics soon ... do you have any opinion re fglrx vs the open source competition? |
| 10:26.48 | asn | folken, any idea? |
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| 10:27.34 | Vasistha | okay, it's 2:30 am, time for bed y'all :) nn |
| 10:27.42 | fengor | nope not yet Vasistha i dont do much graphical stuff |
| 10:27.52 | Enverex | Vasistha, Which ATi card? |
| 10:28.08 | Vasistha | fengor: hehe, neither do I :) I just hope I can get it to work with the external display button |
| 10:28.14 | fengor | i just read up on it because the laptop has a mobility radeon in it and i thought about switiching to fglrx |
| 10:28.24 | fengor | yeah that would be nice |
| 10:28.31 | fengor | but laptop is giving me troubles anyway |
| 10:28.36 | fengor | seems the soudncard is about to die |
| 10:29.01 | Enverex | Vasistha, Any of the new cards need the fglrx driver anyway, the only open alternative is the RadeonHD driver which doesn't have 2D or 3D accelleration |
| 10:29.04 | TheWanderer | asn: you could try bootstrapping a system, then setting it all up inside of a chroot, installing a kernel and adding usbnet to /etc/modules |
| 10:29.59 | TheWanderer | cause as far as I know, there are no usbnet modules in Debian Installer (rather in Kubuntu) |
| 10:30.02 | asn | TheWanderer, we are basically trying to install Debian on a laptop without a CD-ROm drive. We are setting up Goodbye-microsoft the Window installer but when the Debian installer starts we don't have itnernet supprot. |
| 10:30.06 | Vasistha | Enverex: radeon 9600 ... it's in a t42, which is a couple years old ... I don't know if I need acceleration, but I'd really like to be able to use the external display from time to time. Actually ... I do watch videos from time to time, I guess 2d would be good! |
| 10:30.31 | asn | TheWanderer, any suggestions ;) |
| 10:30.33 | Enverex | Vasistha, Ah, you should be ok with the open driver then |
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| 10:30.58 | Hoxzer | >:E |
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| 10:31.17 | Vasistha | Enverex: cool, thanks for the input! I guess ... it's actually probably possible to install both and switch them back and forth with a couple different xorg.conf files, huh? |
| 10:31.55 | Enverex | Vasistha, Sort of, careful with the GLX files though as doing that can break Direct Rendering |
| 10:32.12 | Vasistha | asn: Well, there are two options I can think of: figure out a way to get the driver loaded *during* installation, or, install the driver *after* installation, just doing a basic non-net install. |
| 10:32.29 | Vasistha | Enverex: "break" means what, now? |
| 10:33.03 | TheWanderer | uhm... non-net install might be hard when using Goodbye-Microsoft debian.exe |
| 10:33.10 | asn | Vasistha, alright, the laptop also has no floppy-drive. So we are only left with the option of Goodbye-microsoft (since Wubi, the Ubuntu installer, needs 4GB and the laptop only has 4.5 in total), and we can't pass the module with a floppy. |
| 10:33.12 | Vasistha | heh, probably :) |
| 10:33.19 | Enverex | Vasistha, You can only have one GLX implementation in place at once, so in other words don't install both |
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| 10:33.41 | Vasistha | Enverex: ohh. huh. Well, I'll have to figure it out! fun, fun, fun when the new computer comes tomorrow |
| 10:33.56 | Vasistha | I'll probably be hanging out here a bit more than usual |
| 10:34.11 | TheWanderer | maybe try to install only the bare system with kernel and load usbnet module, then apt-get everything else |
| 10:34.29 | Vasistha | asn: well, I can tell you that I have successfully installed debian on this 10-year-old computer I'm using without a working cd or floppy. |
| 10:34.53 | asn | Vasistha, care to tell us how? |
| 10:34.55 | Vasistha | asn: I did it by copying the netinstall CD iso onto a hard drive, and installing from that |
| 10:35.04 | Vasistha | asn: I made a factoid on it ... wonder if I can recall it |
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| 10:35.11 | asn | How? |
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| 10:35.33 | TheWanderer | copying to a laptop's hard drive? I'd love to see that :P |
| 10:35.51 | Zippy2 | whats wrong with cpoying to a laptop hd? |
| 10:35.55 | Vasistha | ~hd-media |
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| 10:36.03 | Vasistha | hd-media |
| 10:36.04 | Zippy2 | ? |
| 10:36.06 | Vasistha | @hd-media |
| 10:36.09 | Vasistha | frack. |
| 10:36.31 | asn | Vasistha, our main problem is the module for the ethernet adapter (D-LINK DUB-E100) |
| 10:36.33 | Zippy2 | whats hd-media |
| 10:36.35 | asn | you didn't have that, di dyou? |
| 10:36.42 | Vasistha | asn: To install debian without any removable media read this: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch04s05.html.en You can get the vmlinuz and initrd.gz from here:http://http.us.debian.org/debian/dists/etch/main/installer-i386/current/images/hd-media/ (note these are for etch on i386) |
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| 10:37.30 | Zemus | D: |
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| 10:38.35 | simonrvn | o_O |
| 10:38.52 | asn | Vasistha, our ethernet adapter works with the usb-net module, and asix submodule. |
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| 10:39.47 | Vasistha | asn: I did a basic install without any net connection. Once you get a basic install, it will be much easier to get your device working. |
| 10:40.19 | asn | i'm proud for you. |
| 10:40.30 | TheWanderer | if you can access the hard disk, I think the easiest way to install Debian and get networking would be to bootstrap the system on a mounted partition, apt-get the kernel and add the needed modules to /etc/modules, then install grub and boot into your system |
| 10:41.17 | Vasistha | asn: you can even use the net install cd for that ... the net install cd will install a basic system if it can't connect to the net. |
| 10:41.19 | asn | We have Windows Xp on the PC :P |
| 10:41.37 | simonrvn | debootstrap from another machine (if same arch); diff. arch you could only fetch and configure the stuff, not actually run it |
| 10:41.46 | TheWanderer | get some debianish LiveCD for the PC |
| 10:42.02 | Vasistha | TheWanderer: no cd dude :) |
| 10:42.10 | TheWanderer | O.o |
| 10:42.23 | Vasistha | TheWanderer: why do you think we're going into these oddball suggestions? |
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| 10:42.45 | Vasistha | @rube goldberg install |
| 10:42.46 | ravenbird | "Hi! I want to install Debian with a 2.6.x kernel on a machine, but I can't boot from floppies, and I can't boot from CD-ROM, and I have no network card. I have only a USB dot matrix printer and a punch card reader." |
| 10:43.05 | TheWanderer | well what are the alternatives to debootstrapping? :P |
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| 10:43.40 | asn | ravenbird, fuck off :P |
| 10:44.04 | simonrvn | hehehe |
| 10:44.13 | Vasistha | asn: heh, the rube goldberg install is just a fun joke, don't take offense |
| 10:44.39 | Vasistha | asn: given the precariousness of the situation, you'll probably want to defragment your xp partition first, then you'll be able to resize it (hopefully it's fat and not ntfs?) |
| 10:44.43 | simonrvn | punch card reader hooked up to the pdp-11 |
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| 10:45.40 | Vasistha | asn: anyway, you've got that link I gave you for the installation instructions. good luck! I'm off to bed |
| 10:45.54 | simonrvn | Vasistha: g'night |
| 10:46.00 | Vasistha | :) |
| 10:46.01 | TheWanderer | cya |
| 10:46.03 | asn | Vasistha, go sleep. |
| 10:46.43 | TheWanderer | ye, install Debian (using the win32 installer) on your Windows XP PC in order to debootstrap a new system to the laptop... |
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| 10:47.35 | TheWanderer | maybe it would be easier to get a USB cdrom :P |
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| 10:49.13 | TheWanderer | do you have any USB flash drive, asn? |
| 10:49.38 | kanaldrache | Moin! I have a dir with weekly rotated logs with logroates dateext |
| 10:49.52 | asn | Yes, we are currently trying to find the asix module and pass it on the installer by mounting the flash usb. |
| 10:49.55 | kanaldrache | My config can be found under http://paste.debian.net/44208 |
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| 10:50.14 | kanaldrache | But i have files in it that looks more daily... :) |
| 10:50.26 | kanaldrache | pptv-access.log-20071204.gz |
| 10:50.29 | kanaldrache | pptv-access.log-20071205.gz |
| 10:50.35 | asn | TheWanderer, do you know where we could find the asix module? |
| 10:50.51 | TheWanderer | nope :/ |
| 10:50.54 | asn | Alright |
| 10:51.05 | kanaldrache | I expect it to be logroate because of the format and the fact, that empty files are not rotated |
| 10:51.13 | kanaldrache | Any idea? |
| 10:53.17 | TheWanderer | hmm asn, if you can copy USB-image to a pendrive, you can also do an install Debian from an usb-key |
| 10:56.30 | TheWanderer | I'm leaving |
| 10:56.41 | TheWanderer | I tried to do my best :P |
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| 10:56.52 | asn | TheWanderer, No problem :) |
| 10:56.53 | TheWanderer | hope you can get that laptop penguinized :> |
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| 10:58.57 | wols_ | ~~4/lastlog asn |
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| 11:10.40 | JYL57 | hi debian world ! |
| 11:10.51 | Asmooh | whats debian? |
| 11:11.16 | petemc | universal operating system |
| 11:11.31 | JYL57 | I would like some hints about repairing a partition on my box, I booted with a liveCD |
| 11:11.56 | petemc | whats wrong with it? |
| 11:12.12 | Gekz | I have a problem, I didn't clear the apt-cache before starting to upgrade to lenny from etch, and now I'm out of space in /var xD, is there a quick way I can remove all the etch packages without removing the lenny ones i've already downlaoded? |
| 11:12.29 | JYL57 | Well "Kernel panic" after a power failure and some fsck ... |
| 11:12.46 | petemc | JYL57: ca |
| 11:13.01 | petemc | erm, can you boot another kernel? |
| 11:13.07 | JYL57 | petemc : Which tool can I use to check it ? |
| 11:13.37 | petemc | JYL57: fsck, like you said |
| 11:13.59 | JYL57 | petemc : Yes I've used a SystemRescueCD |
| 11:14.23 | petemc | JYL57: and have you ran fsck on the partition? |
| 11:14.27 | JYL57 | petemc:I should first mount my partition I suppose |
| 11:14.32 | azeem | huh |
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| 11:15.27 | JYL57 | petemc: Don't really remind that syntax mount /myfolder/ /dev/sda1 or something like that , |
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| 11:15.37 | tralala | JYL57, no, you shouldn't run fsck on a mounted partition |
| 11:15.38 | wols_ | Gekz: apt-get autoclean showuld do it.look it up one the manpage |
| 11:15.53 | azeem | JYL57: are you saying you do not know how to fsck a partition? |
| 11:16.04 | azeem | if so, your question was very vague over the last days |
| 11:16.56 | JYL57 | azeem: By starting my system after failure, the fsck is also started automatically. |
| 11:17.08 | azeem | JYL57: that does not answer the questino |
| 11:17.12 | azeem | nor confirm yours |
| 11:18.45 | JYL57 | azeem: I used Gparted to check and repair my partition |
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| 11:19.07 | Haris_ | Hello guys |
| 11:19.08 | Haris_ | Is there a pppoe dialer for linux cli? |
| 11:19.27 | wols_ | Haris_: no dialer neede. pppoeconf |
| 11:19.34 | JYL57 | I didn't used the command mode and I suppose that I can type fsck /dev/sda1 to check it also in command mode |
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| 11:19.46 | Haris_ | wols_: Does it require X or does it work on cli alone? |
| 11:19.53 | wols_ | no X |
| 11:19.54 | azeem | JYL57: so why don't you? |
| 11:20.13 | Haris_ | pppoe - PPP over Ethernet driver |
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| 11:20.16 | Haris_ | this package? |
| 11:20.24 | wols_ | Haris_: learn to read |
| 11:20.56 | JYL57 | azeem : I just typed this command and it says "clean" but that does not solve my booting problem... |
| 11:21.17 | azeem | JYL57: so we finally settled that then |
| 11:21.20 | Haris_ | http://packages.debian.org/pppoeconf <- aha! |
| 11:21.21 | wols_ | JYL57: it would kinda help if you told us the problem exactly |
| 11:21.32 | azeem | JYL57: you can try to force a full check with fsck -f |
| 11:22.09 | JYL57 | wols_ : I won't hide anything :-) |
| 11:22.17 | Haris_ | wols_: Got it |
| 11:22.18 | wols_ | azeem: the fs is probably clean again but the fsck might have deleted a file needed for booting since it had duplicate inodes or such |
| 11:22.48 | JYL57 | azeem: I should perhaps first backup this partition no ?! |
| 11:22.48 | azeem | let's make sure |
| 11:22.48 | Gekz | wols_: thanks :D |
| 11:23.00 | azeem | JYL57: that's your choice |
| 11:23.20 | azeem | I'd rather say you should *restore* that partition at this point |
| 11:23.31 | JYL57 | azeem: will the -f option possibly affect the partition in a bad way ? |
| 11:23.47 | Haris_ | pppoe access concentrator? |
| 11:23.48 | JYL57 | azeem: how to restore my partition so ? |
| 11:23.56 | Haris_ | DSLAM? |
| 11:24.01 | azeem | JYL57: restore from a previous backup |
| 11:24.02 | tralala | JYL57, from a backup |
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| 11:24.51 | azeem | JYL57: fsck -f might fix it, or might further corrupt it. Or it might find that the partition is OK |
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| 11:25.01 | JYL57 | azeem: no backup available for this partition...:-S |
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| 11:25.26 | JYL57 | azeem: I haven't much choices it seems... |
| 11:25.30 | Haris_ | I haven't found fsck to corrupt a partition yet |
| 11:25.33 | tralala | JYL57, this means the partition is not important, so you don't have to worry |
| 11:25.56 | elmex | hello, i've searched through manpages and google, but i seem not to be able to find this one out: i want to do a dist-upgrade, and i get a conflict with 'libglib1.2ldbl' which it wants to install. can i somehow find out which packages depend on that library? |
| 11:26.08 | azeem | JYL57: when exactly do you get the error on booting? |
| 11:26.14 | tralala | Haris_, you haven't tried hard enough ;) |
| 11:26.19 | JYL57 | tralala : very funny |
| 11:26.46 | azeem | elmex: apt-cache rdepends libglib1.2ldbl |
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| 11:27.21 | JYL57 | azeem: Hard to say, can I find a logg somewhere ? can I try to mount it to check what's wrong ? |
| 11:27.24 | tralala | JYL57, no, it's very funny when you don't backup important data |
| 11:27.44 | azeem | JYL57: you just said the error persists after fsck |
| 11:27.52 | elmex | azeem: ah, thanks a lot, that worked |
| 11:27.54 | azeem | JYL57: so just try to boot and then try to remember, then report? |
| 11:28.08 | azeem | JYL57: does it fail immediately after you select the kernel in grub? |
| 11:28.13 | azeem | or later in the boot process? |
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| 11:28.33 | JYL57 | azeem: The boot fails but the partition has no errors |
| 11:28.54 | azeem | JYL57: you're not giving out any new information here |
| 11:29.00 | azeem | *when* does the boot fail? |
| 11:29.12 | wols_ | 12:21 < wols_> JYL57: it would kinda help if you told us the problem exactly |
| 11:29.15 | azeem | and what is the error message, if you can see one |
| 11:29.54 | wols_ | the _first_ error message |
| 11:30.07 | JYL57 | azeem: "can I try to mount it to check what's wrong ?" you didn't answer my question also ;-) |
| 11:30.32 | azeem | JYL57: it's because it's invalid |
| 11:30.44 | wols_ | JYL57: do YOU want help or we? |
| 11:30.46 | azeem | if you want help, you get to answer *our* questions |
| 11:30.58 | JYL57 | wols_: Can I stop the boot process to take note of the error messages ? |
| 11:31.14 | wols_ | you can try "pause" but not likely it works |
| 11:31.17 | azeem | does it reboot after the error or what? |
| 11:31.19 | liable | yes ctrl-S |
| 11:31.28 | tralala | JYL57, try pressing scroll lock during it boots |
| 11:31.33 | liable | if your quick |
| 11:31.36 | tralala | s/it boots/boot/ |
| 11:32.39 | JYL57 | For now I've booted with a liveCD, so I will try to boot again and take note of the maximum of problems I 'll have time to notice... |
| 11:33.32 | Asmooh | is debian AMD64 still broken and unsave? or is it save now? |
| 11:33.34 | tralala | JYL57, does you livecd have qemu? |
| 11:33.50 | tralala | Asmooh, it's fine |
| 11:33.50 | liable | Asmooh: save? you mean safe? |
| 11:33.51 | azeem | Asmooh: huh? It's been stable for years |
| 11:34.14 | Asmooh | i hear something about getting root access easy with exploid? |
| 11:34.23 | wols_ | azeem: "years" is a bit much :) |
| 11:34.23 | Asmooh | at amd64 |
| 11:34.27 | bzed | that has been fixed for years, too |
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| 11:34.39 | tralala | Asmooh, don't make the bots laugh at you |
| 11:34.50 | Asmooh | ah okay |
| 11:34.58 | liable | Asmooh: please explain or research when you make claims like that |
| 11:35.00 | JYL57 | tralala: I don't know, have to check for Qemu |
| 11:35.15 | bzed | liable: there was a bug which allowed exactly that... |
| 11:35.33 | bzed | but that's fixed since some months |
| 11:35.40 | JYL57 | Ok, I see following messages : |
| 11:35.43 | tralala | JYL57, if you have it you could try booting in qemu and paste the results (on a web paste) |
| 11:35.51 | liable | bzed: wtf? theres always exploits |
| 11:36.12 | tralala | bzed, amd64 specific? |
| 11:36.17 | bzed | tralala: yes |
| 11:36.28 | bzed | or 64bnit specific, don't remember exactly |
| 11:36.38 | liable | then there were 386 specific kernel exploits, so what |
| 11:36.51 | tralala | well, it happens - luckily we have sdo |
| 11:37.04 | bzed | exactly |
| 11:38.00 | JYL57 | Partition check : /dev/ide/host2/bus0/target0/lun0: p1 p2 < p5 > |
| 11:38.27 | wols_ | JYL57: is this sarge? |
| 11:38.34 | liable | i guess yes |
| 11:38.43 | wols_ | liable: let him answer |
| 11:38.43 | JYL57 | Yes it's a Sarge box |
| 11:38.59 | liable | wols_: no, i will interject when i feel like it |
| 11:39.14 | tralala | @slap liable |
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| 11:39.35 | JYL57 | then : Journalled Block Device driver loaded |
| 11:39.47 | azeem | JYL57: why do you think that is an error? |
| 11:40.05 | JYL57 | kjournald starting |
| 11:40.15 | azeem | or are you getting to the error soonish? |
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| 11:40.24 | wols_ | JYL57: don't paste your whole bootlog here. come to the point |
| 11:40.51 | JYL57 | Ok then I don't see any boot message |
| 11:40.56 | tralala | as a bonus you get to type less |
| 11:41.08 | azeem | JYL57: uh? so it boots fine? |
| 11:41.12 | wols_ | that was the last boot message? |
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| 11:41.29 | GhostlyDeath | Why is gdb-doc non-free? |
| 11:41.35 | JYL57 | the last line is EXT3-fs : mounted filesystem with ordered data mode |
| 11:41.39 | vanguard | Hi all. I have just built, tested and installed a new package. Now I want to release it. As this is my first time, I still get problems with the release. Can someone help me ? |
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| 11:41.49 | azeem | GhostlyDeath: because it is GFDL with invariant sections |
| 11:42.00 | tralala | GhostlyDeath, because of the new gnu documentation license |
| 11:42.01 | azeem | vanguard: release where? |
| 11:42.18 | vanguard | azeem: For everyone into the repsitory., |
| 11:42.25 | azeem | vanguard: are you a Debian developer? |
| 11:42.32 | vanguard | No, I am not. |
| 11:42.43 | azeem | vanguard: then you need a sponsor who reviews your package |
| 11:42.51 | azeem | vanguard: did you read the new maintainer's guide? |
| 11:42.53 | vanguard | azeem: But maybe I could send to seomeone or somewhere. |
| 11:42.56 | themill | vanguard: ask people on the debian-mentors mailing list or in #debian-mentors on irc.debian.org to review your package and give you some tips |
| 11:43.27 | azeem | JYL57: and then it just sists there? |
| 11:43.29 | azeem | sts* |
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| 11:43.32 | azeem | sits*, damnit |
| 11:43.35 | vanguard | themill: Yes, good idea ! |
| 11:43.39 | JYL57 | azeem: yes |
| 11:43.52 | azeem | JYL57: finally |
| 11:44.06 | vanguard | azeem, themill : I will subscribe in there ! Thanks ! |
| 11:44.08 | bzed | vanguard: http://mentors.debian.net |
| 11:44.33 | JYL57 | azeem:I don't see any end on my side, maybe you do |
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| 11:46.39 | JYL57 | Could someone explain me what my system is doing now ? I don't see the "Kernel panic" anymore but no logging message neither |
| 11:46.47 | vanguard | ALL: Thanks a lot, I now have much to read ! bye |
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| 11:47.50 | minus198 | Why cant I unhide the gnome panel on the whole panel? I have to touch it where the "hide" buttons are... |
| 11:48.27 | tralala | minus198, ask #gnome |
| 11:48.29 | minus198 | edit: I got to touch it in a corner.. |
| 11:48.30 | minus198 | ok.. |
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| 11:49.02 | tralala | JYL57, any disk activity? |
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| 11:49.55 | JYL57 | tralala : no |
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| 11:50.50 | wols_ | JYL57: I'd boot with a livecd, chroot to the install and reinstall some packages: kernel, lvm stuff mainl |
| 11:50.53 | wols_ | mainly |
| 11:51.25 | wols_ | could be the fsck corrupted or deleted some needed file(s) |
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| 11:52.02 | JYL57 | wols_: ok, good idea, but how to reinstall some packages ? |
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| 11:52.08 | minus198 | Where can I get the source for the utility: "df" ? |
| 11:52.15 | tralala | JYL57, with aptitude reinstall |
| 11:52.19 | minus198 | Or maybe that is implemented in the core? |
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| 11:52.28 | wols_ | minus198: same palce you get all other sources |
| 11:52.41 | tralala | minus198, dpkg -S $(which df) |
| 11:52.50 | wols_ | look where the binary is, check what package it belongs to, get the package's source |
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| 11:53.11 | minus198 | I don't know what pakage "df" belongs too.. |
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| 11:53.21 | wols_ | !tell minus198 about grounding |
| 11:53.23 | minus198 | Cause it is installed when you install debian.. |
| 11:53.27 | tralala | you will if you type the command I gave you |
| 11:53.30 | wols_ | minus198: especially man dpkg |
| 11:53.35 | minus198 | dpkg didn't tell my anything.. |
| 11:53.44 | JYL57 | tralala : but my liveCD isn't a Sarge, is it a problem ? |
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| 11:54.07 | simonrvn | /usr/bin/dpkg ... |
| 11:54.08 | tralala | minus198, /msg aptitude grounding |
| 11:54.20 | simonrvn | nm |
| 11:54.27 | tralala | JYL57, no |
| 11:54.34 | wols_ | JYL57: not as long as you can mount the partition |
| 11:54.44 | wols_ | tralala: do you know if livecds can do lvm? |
| 11:54.53 | GhostlyDeath | wols_: dpkg is dead |
| 11:55.02 | wols_ | @mourn dpkg |
| 11:55.15 | minus198 | tralala, didn't give me anything.. |
| 11:55.21 | simonrvn | well 2.6.23 is in sid now |
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| 11:55.26 | tralala | wols_, knoppix does, grml should do (but I don't remember if I tried) |
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| 11:57.10 | JYL57 | wols_: so i'm back to my question about mounting my partition and I was answered [12:30] azeem: JYL57: it's because it's invalid |
| 11:57.36 | wols_ | a) most livecds mount all partitions they find b)at this point in time it WAS irrelevant |
| 11:57.51 | user__ | I just tried to compile a kernel andI used th existing config from the running version. when i boot the new kernel, i get the error message, that it wasn't able to mount the root filesystem. what's the problem? |
| 11:57.52 | JYL57 | Ok guys thanks for your time, I 've a lunch break now and be back soon. |
| 11:58.12 | wols_ | c) this is a server. this makes you an admin. you're supporsed to know "man mount" on your own. heck you should know most its settings by heart |
| 11:58.29 | wols_ | user__: did you use kernel-package? |
| 11:58.37 | user__ | yes |
| 11:58.47 | tralala | user__, missing initrd |
| 11:58.49 | wols_ | what was the commandline for it you used? |
| 11:59.06 | wols_ | simonrvn: too easy to guess |
| 11:59.25 | simonrvn | with my eyes closed =) |
| 11:59.29 | tralala | but the high level problem is "I just tried to compile a kernel" |
| 11:59.40 | user__ | to build the package or to install it? |
| 11:59.51 | wols_ | user__: answer my question please |
| 12:01.03 | simonrvn | don't worry, we won't ask for your first born |
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| 12:02.02 | tralala | not yet, anyway |
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| 12:03.45 | user__ | i used the bash |
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| 12:04.32 | wols_ | user__: that is no answer. you didn't use bas to compiled a kernel, you said you used make-kpkg |
| 12:04.33 | simonrvn | um, most people do, it's default shell in debian |
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| 12:04.59 | wols_ | simonrvn: compiling a kernel with bash is quite a feat. no matter if you use it as make or gcc replacement |
| 12:05.01 | minus198 | How do I remove old kernels from the Grub bootloader? / away from the system |
| 12:05.03 | Spida | tralala: grml can do lvm |
| 12:05.05 | tralala | he's good! I've never heard anybody else to successfully compile a kernel using bash! |
| 12:05.22 | Spida | minus198: by editing the grub-config |
| 12:05.28 | tralala | wols_, grml can do lvm |
| 12:05.29 | wols_ | minus198: by uninstalling them |
| 12:05.38 | liable | minus198: remove the kernel package for said kernel |
| 12:05.39 | minus198 | wols_, How do I uninstall them then? |
| 12:05.42 | wols_ | Spida: that's wrong |
| 12:05.45 | minus198 | liable, ok.. |
| 12:05.50 | wols_ | minus198: how do you uninstall stuff? |
| 12:05.53 | simonrvn | wols_: for sure, make a c compiler out of bash scripts is quite a feat ;) |
| 12:06.04 | Spida | wols_: why? |
| 12:06.15 | wols_ | simonrvn: and simultaneously qualifies for a darwin awards |
| 12:06.16 | minus198 | wols_, well.. apt.. but the kernels feels different somehow.. |
| 12:06.24 | wols_ | Spida: cause it's simply wrong when there is update-grub |
| 12:06.26 | simonrvn | wols_: hehehe |
| 12:06.45 | simonrvn | you bad wols_, baaad! ;) |
| 12:06.50 | Spida | wols_: ah, you were talking about grub... |
| 12:07.12 | Spida | wols_: I didn't say that this was a clean way, but it works. |
| 12:07.17 | minus198 | wols_, Is it just to remove all the "2.6.22-2" thingys and then do "update-grub" ? |
| 12:07.39 | wols_ | minus198: just uinstall the kernel |
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| 12:07.46 | simonrvn | well, you wouldn't run your currently running kernel... |
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| 12:07.55 | wols_ | Spida: it was a BAD way to suggest it to others |
| 12:07.56 | simonrvn | s,run,uninstall, |
| 12:08.08 | Spida | wols_: k |
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| 12:08.09 | wols_ | simonrvn: apt would whine a lot if you tried |
| 12:08.31 | minus198 | wols_, You mean the "Linux Image" or/and the "Linux Headers" ? |
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| 12:08.40 | simonrvn | "ARE YOU SURE YOU WANT TO DO THIS?" |
| 12:08.51 | nts-- | Okey here is my problem: I want to restrict "User01" to only use eth0:5, and no other network interfaces, how do i do that ? |
| 12:08.51 | wols_ | minus198: which one is your kernel? |
| 12:09.06 | wols_ | nts--: #iptables |
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| 12:09.12 | tralala | more like: do you want to cancel this operation now (with "yes" being the default answer) |
| 12:09.23 | S4nD3r | how solve this problem/ |
| 12:09.27 | S4nD3r | Your kernel was built with "gcc" version "4.1.3", while you are trying to use |
| 12:09.27 | S4nD3r | "/usr/bin/gcc" version "4.2.3". This configuration is not recommended and |
| 12:09.27 | S4nD3r | VMware Player may crash if you'll continue. Please try to use exactly same |
| 12:09.27 | S4nD3r | compiler as one used for building your kernel. |
| 12:09.29 | minus198 | I use 2.6.22-3... Cause that is the latest one I got from autoupdates.. |
| 12:09.36 | tralala | I've cursed it so many times... |
| 12:09.37 | minus198 | So I want to remove the 2.6.22-2 ones.. |
| 12:09.45 | wols_ | minus198: what autoupdates? |
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| 12:10.05 | minus198 | wols_, "Update manager" |
| 12:10.07 | wols_ | S4nD3r: first: do not paste in fucking #debian |
| 12:10.16 | S4nD3r | sorry |
| 12:10.18 | wols_ | minus198: debian has an update manager? |
| 12:10.21 | S4nD3r | I forgot |
| 12:10.24 | minus198 | wols_, No kidding.. |
| 12:10.24 | k31th | If I have my Linux mail server Authing from my windows domain controler... and I added a user on the windows box is there a way to create the users home dir? baring in mind they wont be logging in with shell accounts just email? |
| 12:10.26 | tralala | s/paste in fucking/fucking paste in/ |
| 12:10.27 | wols_ | S4nD3r: the error clearly says what you need to do |
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| 12:10.57 | wols_ | S4nD3r: use the proper comopiler |
| 12:10.57 | S4nD3r | I dont have this compiler |
| 12:11.01 | gamag | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:11.08 | wols_ | then you can't compile the kernel module |
| 12:11.22 | azeem | S4nD3r: did you even try to install gcc-4.1? |
| 12:11.26 | S4nD3r | ummmm |
| 12:11.34 | simonrvn | tralala: doesn't default to yes anymore, or it's reading my debconf db or something |
| 12:11.48 | minus198 | wols_, Maybe you are a "hardcore" geek that only uses the tty's. And therefor never uses the graphical interface that Xorg provides... |
| 12:12.02 | wols_ | minus198: I just don't like gnome |
| 12:12.06 | tralala | simonrvn, anymore meaning "after etch"? |
| 12:12.08 | mosp | debian netinstall on an usbstick and a floppy that makes booting from the usbstick possible... does that exist or does one need to create ones own solution? ;) |
| 12:12.09 | minus198 | If you would have used it, you would have known that Updatemanagers existes |
| 12:12.11 | S4nD3r | I tried, but apt-get do now allows |
| 12:12.14 | simonrvn | nod |
| 12:12.15 | wols_ | I guess update-manager is a ubuntu backport |
| 12:12.20 | tralala | good |
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| 12:12.34 | Penix | didn't think debian even had it |
| 12:12.38 | simonrvn | wols_: it's been carried in to debian |
| 12:12.46 | minus198 | wols_, Well.. KDE is HUGE and consumes unnecessary space... To much non used space in the windows.. |
| 12:13.03 | wols_ | I didn't say I use kde either |
| 12:13.13 | minus198 | wols_, *box then :P |
| 12:13.14 | tralala | I do and I like it |
| 12:13.22 | mosp | fluxbox ftw |
| 12:13.22 | tralala | I also use gnome and I like it |
| 12:13.24 | wols_ | screen |
| 12:13.30 | tralala | and evilwm too |
| 12:13.32 | wols_ | and if X often windowmaker |
| 12:13.35 | simonrvn | using gnome + openbox, xfce's been sucking lately |
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| 12:13.45 | minus198 | still: What am I supposed to remove? The Linux headers or/and the linux image? |
| 12:14.05 | tralala | anything that can launch an X terminal is fine |
| 12:14.07 | simonrvn | the headers are useless without the kernel |
| 12:14.09 | wols_ | minus198: again. which one is your kernel? |
| 12:14.13 | x2017 | hi |
| 12:14.22 | simonrvn | no i'm not |
| 12:14.33 | S4nD3r | gcc-4.1 já é a versão mais nova. |
| 12:14.40 | minus198 | wols_, 2.6.22-3 is the one I use.. 2.6.22-2 is the old one that I don't use.. |
| 12:14.44 | simonrvn | ECHAN |
| 12:14.48 | wols_ | simonrvn: you are not what? pretty? handsome? eligible? rich? |
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| 12:14.58 | simonrvn | hi(gh) |
| 12:15.15 | hoxu | !penixstrike simonrvn |
| 12:15.16 | wols_ | minus198: you are talking non sequitur |
| 12:15.17 | azeem | minus198: just remove both |
| 12:15.25 | simonrvn | @moron hoxu |
| 12:15.26 | ravenbird | hoxu: You are moron #76 |
| 12:15.34 | minus198 | azeem, Why? Won't that remove my kernel? |
| 12:15.42 | Penix | club joined |
| 12:15.52 | azeem | minus198: eh, you were talking about old, unused kernels I thought? |
| 12:15.56 | simonrvn | minus198: FYI, you should keep a kernel as a spare |
| 12:16.01 | azeem | I was talking about "both image and headers" |
| 12:16.02 | nts-- | wols_: i know i need iptables, i just dont know how to use it correctly to do that task ? |
| 12:16.04 | nts-- | ! |
| 12:16.10 | minus198 | azeem, I see |
| 12:16.14 | wols_ | nts--: #iptables |
| 12:16.16 | minus198 | azeem, Thank you.. |
| 12:16.19 | x2017 | someone knowing why the it looks as if a newly upgraded gdm (from Etch to testing) seems to ignore locale-settings? That means, in a gnome-terminal as a user, I just get POSIX when typing locale, after su-ing to root, everything is fine |
| 12:16.30 | wols_ | nts--: you can ask here until you're blue in the face but I doubt you'll get an answer. your choice |
| 12:16.34 | x2017 | doesn't happens on my desktop machine with the same version of gdm |
| 12:16.45 | tralala | nts--, shorewall does iptables&more and it has an awful lot of docs |
| 12:16.48 | nts-- | okey, thats a good help channel -_- |
| 12:17.02 | wols_ | x2017: cat /etc/environment |
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| 12:17.30 | minus198 | btw: I didn't really get that stuff about where I can get the source to the util: "df" |
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| 12:17.37 | x2017 | LANG="de_DE.UTF-8" \ LC_ALL="de_DE.UTF-8" \ LC_MESSAGES="C" |
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| 12:17.53 | wols_ | why is LC_MESSAGES=C? |
| 12:18.16 | wols_ | minus198: do you know which package contains df? |
| 12:18.16 | GhostlyDeath | C Locale! |
| 12:18.23 | minus198 | wols_, no.. |
| 12:18.27 | x2017 | set it this way, I prefer an english environment - same on my desktop, but here, I'm able to type everything |
| 12:18.31 | wols_ | minus198: man dpkg |
| 12:18.46 | simonrvn | coreutils |
| 12:18.47 | x2017 | while it doesn't accept umlauts or similiar on my notebook (the problematic machine) |
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| 12:18.59 | wols_ | simonrvn: that way he never learns anything |
| 12:19.04 | simonrvn | x2017: that's more kbd and font |
| 12:19.08 | beardy | x2017: I set LC_CTYPE to what I need for my characters. |
| 12:19.14 | gamag | when I do "iwconfig", I can't see a single interface with IEEE 802.11. all of them show "no wireless extensions", but I have broadcom wireless. what should I do to debug? |
| 12:19.18 | beardy | x2017: Leaving everything else. |
| 12:19.30 | Penix | learning's hard and stuff! |
| 12:19.30 | wols_ | gamag: you should load the proper drivers and firmware |
| 12:19.37 | x2017 | hm |
| 12:19.47 | simonrvn | x2017: your locale setup should support it, sans the message output from programs |
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| 12:20.04 | liable | gamag: what exactly have you done to enable your broadcom card? |
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| 12:20.17 | simonrvn | wols_: i gave a package name, not source package ;) |
| 12:20.23 | x2017 | but, hm, anyway - "locale" as a user just outputs everything as set to POSIX |
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| 12:20.35 | x2017 | (except LANG and LC_ALL which are not set) |
| 12:20.48 | wols_ | simonrvn: big frigging difference or are you on deadrat? |
| 12:21.01 | simonrvn | wols_: sometimes it is different |
| 12:21.36 | minus198 | wols_, Well.. I don't learn by reading 15 page of bullshit I will never use, and then finally reach the thing I want... |
| 12:21.40 | gamag | lspci | grep Net ==> 01:00.0 Network controller: Broadcom Corporation BCM4310 UART (rev 01) |
| 12:21.46 | wols_ | simonrvn: apt-get source takes care of that |
| 12:21.46 | simonrvn | last deadrat-like box i touched was a yellowdog linux box 3 years ago, and that briefly ;) |
| 12:21.57 | wols_ | minus198: you are mistaken |
| 12:22.06 | wols_ | simonrvn: see what you did now? do you see now? |
| 12:22.24 | simonrvn | wols_: i didn't do anything |
| 12:22.27 | minus198 | dpkg -S df |
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| 12:22.36 | simonrvn | i didn't make him have that attitude |
| 12:22.37 | minus198 | I guess thats the thing im supposed to do.. |
| 12:22.51 | wols_ | minus198: only if you are in /usr/bin/ |
| 12:22.57 | minus198 | simonrvn, nope.. wols_ made me have that attitude.. |
| 12:23.07 | minus198 | simonrvn, Your answer > wols_ answer |
| 12:23.12 | simonrvn | minus198: the command themill gave you was dpkg -S $(which df) |
| 12:23.13 | gamag | liable: I have the windows drivers: bcmwl5.ini, bcmwl5.sys. I want to use it with ndiswrapper |
| 12:23.17 | wols_ | minus198: we are not here to handhold and force feed you commands |
| 12:23.31 | themill | ? don't blame me.... |
| 12:23.33 | wols_ | !tell gamag about ndiswrapper |
| 12:23.41 | simonrvn | minus198: my answer doesn't really educate |
| 12:23.48 | wols_ | themill: mistab. was tralala I think |
| 12:23.56 | gamag | wols_: dpkg said nothing |
| 12:24.01 | simonrvn | themill: not, i thought ..l oh maybe tralala |
| 12:24.06 | wols_ | @tell gamag about ndiswrapper |
| 12:24.09 | liable | gamag: there are native linux drivers, they are hit and miss depending on card version, there are new mac80211 drivers too, but if you want to use ndis, theres a shitload of howto's out there |
| 12:24.13 | gamag | dpkg is not there :) |
| 12:24.14 | GhostlyDeath | wols_: YOU!! You are the one who killed dpkg! |
| 12:24.36 | gamag | where did dpkg go? and how? |
| 12:24.39 | wols_ | GhostlyDeath: yes. I want to eat its brain so I get all its powers. so sue me |
| 12:25.00 | liable | i think its suffering brain withdrwal atm |
| 12:25.02 | wols_ | who is conspicously absent too |
| 12:25.05 | simonrvn | hehe |
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| 12:25.16 | simonrvn | network issues at the uni again :/ |
| 12:25.22 | minus198 | wols_, still.. if the "man" pages are 10 pages of things that a person like me will never need, just give me the command... |
| 12:25.33 | themill | don was around for a bit last night... he's not completely in hiding |
| 12:25.46 | minus198 | This is the main problem with Linux and why ordinary ppl doesn't use it.. |
| 12:25.47 | rubymonk | Hello everyone, Shouldn't this line: SUBSYSTEM=="net", DRIVERS=="?*", ATTR{address}=="00:E0:4C:BA:B4:69", NAME="eth9" in /etc/udev/rules.d/z25_persistent-net.rules rename my eth card with that mac to eth9 ? |
| 12:25.50 | themill | @tell minus198 abot fish |
| 12:25.52 | wols_ | minus198: I gave you grounding (I wasn't the only one). and that one is very relevant always if you don't know something that is mentioned in there |
| 12:25.53 | themill | @tell minus198 about fish |
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| 12:26.02 | minus198 | dpkg is down.. |
| 12:26.05 | simonrvn | minus198: man dpkg once in it, do /-S and you'll find it |
| 12:26.25 | liable | rubymonk: looks sane to me |
| 12:26.31 | minus198 | simonrvn, well.. What if I didn't know that "-S" meant search? |
| 12:26.31 | wols_ | minus198: you've been told directly several times before. you never picked up |
| 12:26.33 | rubymonk | hum... |
| 12:27.02 | simonrvn | that's why man pages exist |
| 12:27.27 | wols_ | and why "grounding" exists |
| 12:27.27 | GhostlyDeath | man is to Linux as F1 is to Everything else |
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| 12:27.46 | minus198 | F1 > man |
| 12:28.00 | gamag | liable: the problem is that even after doing, "ndiswrapper -i bcmwl5.inf", I get "no wireless extensions" for "iwconfig". |
| 12:28.04 | GhostlyDeath | Woo Racing |
| 12:28.12 | simonrvn | they're to be used by someone that has *some* familiarity of the program, to elucidate on further options, bugs, uses, examples, etc. |
| 12:28.12 | wols_ | minus198: then go back to those other OSes |
| 12:28.13 | ukh | except in gnome, where "man" is spelled "google" |
| 12:28.17 | liable | gamag: so check your dmesg output |
| 12:28.25 | minus198 | wols_, "F1" works in linux... |
| 12:28.27 | rubymonk | minus198, Because it's graphical ? :) Grab html man pages on internet |
| 12:28.29 | minus198 | in alot of programs.. |
| 12:28.31 | gamag | liable: no output in dmesg |
| 12:28.33 | wols_ | minus198: in the inferior parts |
| 12:28.41 | liable | gamag: i dont believe you |
| 12:28.44 | jelly | F1 is in a bit of problems after the scandals from last season |
| 12:28.55 | gamag | liable: honest, I can paste it and show it to you |
| 12:28.57 | liable | gamag: if you load the module it should give some output |
| 12:29.08 | minus198 | rubymonk, Ist not because its graphical.. Thus I prefer having a good searchmethod.. |
| 12:29.18 | minus198 | nanos search is great.. "ctrl + w" |
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| 12:29.23 | minus198 | thats is good CLI |
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| 12:29.26 | jelly | GhostlyDeath: also, some normal machines have a real Help button. |
| 12:29.28 | minus198 | "man" is not a god "CLI" |
| 12:29.35 | simonrvn | @tell fqh -about root |
| 12:29.50 | petemc | minus198: you can search manpages too /searchstring |
| 12:29.56 | liable | gamag: i dont want to see your output, because that means that i need to learn how ndis behaves, but you should certainly get some output |
| 12:30.05 | simonrvn | minus198: it fits in very much with unix philosophy |
| 12:30.28 | GhostlyDeath | The IRC user@host is in UNIX |
| 12:30.29 | gamag | liable: ok. may be I missed some step. let me try again |
| 12:30.47 | liable | gamag: there is a lot of ndis info out there on the intarwebs |
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| 12:31.10 | minus198 | simonrvn, Still: The linuxcommunity must change to be accepted by the normal people.. Otherwise it will never be a winner inte the OS battle... |
| 12:31.38 | liable | fuck the normal people |
| 12:31.38 | xand | at this hour? |
| 12:31.47 | GhostlyDeath | 7:29 AM |
| 12:31.49 | liable | they can conform :) |
| 12:31.51 | simonrvn | minus198: you make several assumptions |
| 12:31.56 | xand | GhostlyDeath: erm, that's rather early for school! |
| 12:31.59 | simonrvn | false assumptions |
| 12:32.02 | minus198 | liable, well.. if you want Linux to be for geeks only, fine.. |
| 12:32.05 | rubymonk | liable, Well, it doesn't rename the interface :( |
| 12:32.11 | xand | minus198: that's fine ;) |
| 12:32.12 | GhostlyDeath | xand: No, school starts at 8AM |
| 12:32.16 | Penix | minus198: if you want Linux to be for normal people, fine. |
| 12:32.18 | xand | GhostlyDeath: early |
| 12:32.26 | xand | GhostlyDeath: school starts at 9AM here |
| 12:32.26 | minus198 | Penix, I want it to be for both... |
| 12:32.27 | liable | rubymonk: hrm, you reloaded the module? |
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| 12:32.34 | wols_ | minus198: run ubuntu then. it'S their motto |
| 12:32.37 | rubymonk | liable, Which one ? |
| 12:32.39 | liable | rubymonk: rebooted? try adding the driver name too |
| 12:32.42 | Penix | minus198: that's fantastic. but it doesn't mean we owe anyone anything |
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| 12:32.55 | minus198 | wols_, I did.. but it sucked.. I'm used to debian.. |
| 12:32.56 | rubymonk | liable, hum... will try... |
| 12:32.57 | liable | rubymonk: rubymonk whatever it is for that card |
| 12:33.01 | jelly | minus198: making at OS for normal people takes a _lot_ of resources. Making a _good_ OS for normal people takes even more. |
| 12:33.02 | wols_ | minus198: what make you think debian wants to be a "winner" in the "OS battle"? |
| 12:33.22 | minus198 | debian is a good symbiosis in between real geeky OS and working OS |
| 12:33.33 | cast | the winners of popularity contests seem to often be lacking |
| 12:33.37 | jelly | wols_: Debian might already be a winner! :-) |
| 12:33.43 | simonrvn | there we go with the false assumptions again |
| 12:33.47 | minus198 | wols_, Well.. everyone wants to be a winner ;) |
| 12:33.49 | wols_ | jelly: it sucks donkey balls |
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| 12:33.53 | wols_ | jelly: like any other OS |
| 12:34.04 | liable | just learn and stop whining |
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| 12:34.16 | liable | like we all have had to |
| 12:34.21 | GhostlyDeath | Debian won't allow me to run Microsoft Visual C++ 2008 therefore it has no use to me |
| 12:34.22 | jelly | wols_: indeed, but it has some 70% i386-server installations here. |
| 12:34.38 | GhostlyDeath | But I use it anyway |
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| 12:35.04 | Penix | Microsoft Visual C++ 2008 won't allow me to run it on Debian, therefor it has no use to me |
| 12:35.07 | eSa| | hi, i'm installing debian via debootstrap. I'm chrooted into it but df -h does not show the disk devices. |
| 12:35.20 | azeem | eSa|: mount /proc |
| 12:35.25 | liable | is /proc mounted? |
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| 12:35.39 | wols_ | GhostlyDeath: not even with WINE? |
| 12:35.45 | eSa| | mount reports it beeing mounted |
| 12:35.49 | GhostlyDeath | wols_: VC++ is .NET |
| 12:35.52 | rubymonk | liable, Well, doesn't work either |
| 12:36.05 | wols_ | .net no workie in wine? |
| 12:36.16 | liable | rubymonk: what did you change and did you reload the module/restart udev? |
| 12:36.19 | eSa| | it is mounted twice |
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| 12:36.31 | h3sp4wn | GhostlyDeath: So fix mono then |
| 12:36.50 | rubymonk | liable, Only have set the driver name in z25 |
| 12:36.57 | Penix | or even better, monodevelop |
| 12:36.58 | x2017 | hm, ok |
| 12:37.04 | liable | rubymonk: so restart udev and reload the module |
| 12:37.13 | liable | rubymonk: if that doesnt help, reboot |
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| 12:37.19 | rubymonk | liable, I rebooted |
| 12:37.21 | GhostlyDeath | Can Mono even run .NET apps created in VC++ without compiling from source? |
| 12:37.46 | rubymonk | The interface name still is not eth9 |
| 12:37.52 | x2017 | found something new: I'm able to choose a language in gdm - when using "Deutsch (UTF-8)", everything is fine....when using "Systemvorgabe" (something like "System default"), it uses POSIX |
| 12:37.57 | jelly | GhostlyDeath: of course not... that's what source-level compatibility means |
| 12:38.05 | liable | rubymonk: hmm, recheck the mac then, it looked good to me, check kernel logs |
| 12:38.11 | cosmonaut | Ok, seems like almost every file in my /home has been deleted, and I don't know why. I have backups of everything important, but what's the advice if I want to try and recover files from ext3? |
| 12:38.18 | rubymonk | The mac is ok... checked it :( |
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| 12:38.24 | rubymonk | Will check kern logs |
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| 12:38.45 | cast | cosmonaut: that's curious, any guesses as to what caused it? |
| 12:39.02 | jelly | GhostlyDeath: you might want to check out Wine or Crossover Office |
| 12:39.16 | GhostlyDeath | jelly: Does .NET install in WINE? |
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| 12:39.32 | jelly | GhostlyDeath: dunno |
| 12:39.44 | Penix | .NET's not some magical binary you run |
| 12:40.05 | Penix | seems a bit stupid using a bunch of class libraries with some weird class library compat layer or whatever |
| 12:40.14 | S4nD3r | Id need to run windows xp, inside my linux, which software do you recommend to install in my lenny box ?? |
| 12:40.18 | jelly | GhostlyDeath: if you mean the framework (ie. runtime bits), I suppose it ought to but I really don't know |
| 12:40.21 | S4nD3r | vmware is crash in installation. |
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| 12:40.22 | cosmonaut | cast: They were all there about 10 minutes ago, and after I ran rather a large bash line (which didn't include rm) they were all gone, replaced with a couple of files the line had been operating on. I didn't take the time to check everything, i just took the machine down ASAP |
| 12:40.25 | GhostlyDeath | S4nD3r: QEMU |
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| 12:40.33 | themill | GhostlyDeath: no, the .net framework doesn't install under wine. |
| 12:40.39 | jelly | S4nD3r: vmware or virtualbox |
| 12:40.47 | cast | cosmonaut: can you pastebin the bash line? |
| 12:40.55 | GhostlyDeath | hey software updates are available |
| 12:40.59 | S4nD3r | vmware do not installs in lenny |
| 12:41.11 | azeem | S4nD3r: you mentioned that |
| 12:41.11 | h3sp4wn | use vmware-package |
| 12:41.26 | jelly | S4nD3r: I have a working vmware-server installed on i386 lenny. |
| 12:41.26 | S4nD3r | neither h3sp4wn |
| 12:41.49 | S4nD3r | jelly: really |
| 12:41.56 | S4nD3r | could you help me to solve my problem? |
| 12:42.09 | cosmonaut | cast: I'm using another machine at the moment, an I don't remember it by heart. It used if and for to check if a file was a zip file, and if so, move it somewhere else, create a directory for it, and unzip it there. |
| 12:42.17 | azeem | 13:07 < azeem> S4nD3r: did you even try to install gcc-4.1? |
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| 12:42.32 | S4nD3r | sure |
| 12:42.35 | S4nD3r | Didnt get |
| 12:42.46 | cosmonaut | cast: is ext3 recoverable? |
| 12:42.49 | azeem | that's probably not the error you got |
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| 12:43.18 | jelly | !tell S4nD3r -about ask |
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| 12:43.54 | jelly | !test |
| 12:44.03 | jelly | dpkg, you suck. |
| 12:44.16 | jelly | %test |
| 12:44.24 | jelly | apt, test |
| 12:44.25 | apt | Test Passed! |
| 12:44.34 | jelly | apt, tell S4nD3r about ask |
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| 12:45.02 | jelly | aw fuck, it has a different ask factoid :-| |
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| 12:46.12 | jelly | S4nD3r: in any case, you should pastebin the command that failed, and the complete output if you want real help |
| 12:46.49 | gamag | i just configured wlan0 using System > Administration > Networking, but I can't see the details I have entered in /etc/network/interfaces. in /etc/network/interfaces there are only two lines: "auto lo; iface lo inet loopback" |
| 12:47.10 | S4nD3r | The problem is that I dont know to install gcc-4.1 |
| 12:47.15 | azeem | gamag: I am not sure those two integrate |
| 12:47.22 | S4nD3r | everytime is showed that is installed newer |
| 12:47.35 | azeem | S4nD3r: pastebin the entire output |
| 12:47.38 | azeem | !pastebin |
| 12:47.38 | cast | cosmonaut: dunno. one can independant of fs grep the partition, but i'd only do that when trying to recover a handful of text files at most |
| 12:47.40 | azeem | bah |
| 12:47.44 | azeem | S4nD3r: paste.debian.net |
| 12:48.03 | simonrvn | @paste |
| 12:48.04 | ravenbird | paste.length >= 3 ? `/join #flood' : `/say paste.msg', or paste your output at http://channels.debian.net/paste/ |
| 12:48.57 | S4nD3r | I run the vmware-config.pl |
| 12:49.03 | cast | themill: indeed! |
| 12:49.19 | azeem | S4nD3r: what does the vmware-config.pl have to do with apt-get install gcc-4.1 output? |
| 12:49.20 | S4nD3r | but, its showed that I must to install 4.1.3 |
| 12:49.21 | S4nD3r | gcc |
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| 12:49.33 | azeem | S4nD3r: if you want help, you will have to start answering our questions |
| 12:49.45 | simonrvn | yes... unfortch i'd have to go through a 10 mb sql file to do it properly as there's factoids i need/want to keep in rb |
| 12:49.50 | eSa| | man, where can i download debian? the site ha almost no images |
| 12:50.02 | wols_ | @d-i |
| 12:50.02 | ravenbird | d-i is the new installer for sarge (debian 3.1), at http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ or see #debian-boot, but don't pester the d-i devs with unrelated questions, or see <debian-installer> |
| 12:50.06 | S4nD3r | When I try to install 4.1, its showed that gcc-4.1 is the newer version |
| 12:50.09 | Ronin | eSa|: debian.org of course |
| 12:50.10 | wols_ | of. for sarge :) |
| 12:50.12 | simonrvn | www.debian.org/CD/ |
| 12:50.18 | azeem | S4nD3r: the newer version or the newest version? |
| 12:50.26 | azeem | S4nD3r: and did it maybe say "already" as well? |
| 12:50.27 | themill | simonrvn: is it feasible to push them to dpkg (I presume these are ppc specific ones or something?) |
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| 12:50.43 | simonrvn | themill: ppc, ldap, other random things |
| 12:50.47 | S4nD3r | I guess so |
| 12:50.56 | azeem | S4nD3r: you guess /what/? |
| 12:50.58 | azeem | S4nD3r: so I guess that you do not want help |
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| 12:51.08 | S4nD3r | The message is portuguese(brazilian) |
| 12:51.11 | ^Timo^ | Hi guys |
| 12:51.17 | azeem | S4nD3r: so why don't you say that? |
| 12:51.18 | ^Timo^ | and a good morning for all of you |
| 12:51.19 | ^Timo^ | :) |
| 12:51.24 | azeem | S4nD3r: the solution is to run "export LANG=C" |
| 12:51.26 | ^Timo^ | i am wondering |
| 12:51.27 | azeem | and rerun apt-get |
| 12:51.31 | azeem | and quote the *exact* output |
| 12:51.33 | S4nD3r | This told me that gcc-4.1 already is newer |
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| 12:51.39 | azeem | S4nD3r: no |
| 12:51.45 | azeem | S4nD3r: it told you something in portuguese |
| 12:51.46 | ^Timo^ | if its possbible to change the ssh connect port |
| 12:51.48 | S4nD3r | gcc-4.1 is already the newest version |
| 12:51.53 | wols_ | S4nD3r: it did NOT. for tha last time, answer azeem what he actually asks |
| 12:51.53 | ^Timo^ | and if yes where can i change it |
| 12:51.54 | azeem | S4nD3r: voila |
| 12:52.03 | xand | ^Timo^: yes, in the sshd_config file |
| 12:52.07 | wols_ | ^Timo^: /etc/ssh/sshd_config |
| 12:52.09 | azeem | S4nD3r: so export "CC=/usr/bin/gcc-4.1" |
| 12:52.12 | azeem | eh |
| 12:52.13 | ^Timo^ | okay |
| 12:52.18 | azeem | "export CC=/usr/bin/gcc-4.1" |
| 12:52.27 | azeem | S4nD3r: and try to run vmware-config.pl again |
| 12:52.49 | rubymonk | Without udev, what decides the names of the eth interfaces ? I got eth 4 and 5, without eth0,1,2,3... |
| 12:52.50 | themill | ^Timo^: to connect the client to a different port, use the -p option. |
| 12:53.06 | gamag | I want to modify, compile and test kernel. what emulator would be good? |
| 12:53.18 | azeem | gamag: please don't crosspost |
| 12:53.29 | gamag | azeem: cross post? |
| 12:53.30 | wols_ | rubymonk: usually it's a first loaded, first assigned starting from 0 |
| 12:53.35 | jelly | *cough* "multipost" |
| 12:53.36 | azeem | 13:48 < gamog> I want to modify, compile and test kernel. what emulator would be good? |
| 12:53.36 | S4nD3r | Oh... great !!!! azeem. now its working |
| 12:54.02 | wols_ | rubymonk: is hotplug or such still loaded? initrd doing some shenanigans? |
| 12:54.02 | rubymonk | wols_, Well, Why I don't have eth0,1,2,3 ? It's a brand new installed system... |
| 12:54.20 | rubymonk | wols_, I got udev... but renaming fails |
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| 12:54.30 | gamag | azeem: I didn't get you. I posted that only once in this channel at 06:23 |
| 12:54.39 | azeem | gamag: and in the other chanel |
| 12:54.45 | azeem | which is "crosspost" |
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| 12:55.39 | themill | @tell jensn2342 about root |
| 12:55.51 | cosmonaut | gamag: crosspost is asking the same quesiton in more than one place. it's impolite. |
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| 12:56.30 | dbmoodb | ~spam |
| 12:56.34 | dbmoodb | !spam |
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| 12:57.21 | eSa| | see you |
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| 12:57.30 | dbmoodb | ok ... what is going on here |
| 12:57.42 | dbmoodb | /ignore * |
| 12:57.45 | dbmoodb | /ignore |
| 12:57.52 | themill | dbmoodb: wtf? |
| 12:57.55 | dbmoodb | sorry |
| 12:58.04 | dbmoodb | that should not have come up at all |
| 12:58.13 | azeem | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:58.13 | azeem | oops |
| 12:58.25 | dbmoodb | well i'm using gaim |
| 12:59.10 | cast | poor kid |
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| 12:59.27 | gamag | cosmonaut: azeem: I did not understand one thing. I am posting the same messge on two different IRC servers, so that I can get more answers. now there are 100s of IRC servers. how would I know if some of the members in this channel is present in the other server also or not? |
| 13:00.00 | azeem | gamag: you're not, but you should ack that you won't do it again next time, now that you've been told |
| 13:00.12 | azeem | besides #debian on oftc and freenode are the only two official Debian support channels |
| 13:00.22 | x2017 | quit |
| 13:00.22 | S4nD3r | hey |
| 13:00.32 | S4nD3r | Its fantastic... azeem |
| 13:00.36 | S4nD3r | great... |
| 13:00.41 | S4nD3r | wonderful...... |
| 13:00.45 | RichiH | azeem: this one is not official, any more ;) |
| 13:00.50 | gamag | azeem: ok |
| 13:00.52 | S4nD3r | thank you very very very very very much !!! |
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| 13:01.07 | azeem | RichiH: well, it is as far as the regulars are concerned |
| 13:01.27 | wols_ | RichiH: and it's still bigger, no? |
| 13:01.28 | themill | gamag: Also note that it's generally rude to ask in more than once place at any time anyway. People will actually go off and do research to answer your questions and to ask somewhere else without waiting for an answer is wasting others' time. |
| 13:01.33 | RichiH | azeem: yah, it's still my main help channel, as well |
| 13:01.37 | RichiH | wols_: aye |
| 13:02.00 | gamag | themill: ok |
| 13:02.09 | themill | gamag: :) |
| 13:02.12 | RichiH | this channel took a dent, but it seems people are flocking back here, after initial indecisivness |
| 13:02.44 | RichiH | azeem, wols_: would either of you know i can get past http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=443753 ? |
| 13:02.58 | azeem | ask the chan, not people :P |
| 13:03.31 | RichiH | azeem: well, i know the people in the chan and hilight the ones i suspect are knowledgable enough to give a qualified answer :) |
| 13:03.40 | azeem | RichiH: export DEBIAN_FRONTEND=dialog |
| 13:03.48 | RichiH | azeem: nope |
| 13:03.57 | RichiH | azeem: neither dialog nor readline work |
| 13:04.06 | RichiH | neither from cli nor within kde |
| 13:04.17 | gamag | is there any IRC command which would let me put everyone's name in one shot and send a message, so that everyone gets a <ding>, like "cusco: Cyda: davi: azeem: themill: RichiH: howdie" |
| 13:04.25 | azeem | uh |
| 13:04.27 | wols_ | RichiH: is this latelst sid? |
| 13:04.34 | azeem | gamag: no |
| 13:04.37 | RichiH | gamag: there are scripts, but that would get you into trouble |
| 13:04.40 | themill | gamag: I truly hope not. |
| 13:04.49 | S4nD3r | I dont know what to say to express my hapiness |
| 13:04.53 | Ronin | gamag: i hope not, good way to get banned if there is |
| 13:04.53 | wols_ | gamag: if you do that here, I will see that you get banned. permanently |
| 13:05.03 | rubymonk | Damn, everytime I have to deal with udev, I have issues |
| 13:05.04 | azeem | wols_: he didn't include *you* |
| 13:05.08 | rubymonk | it sucks |
| 13:05.14 | wols_ | azeem: phew. |
| 13:05.21 | gamag | wols_: ok! please don't ban without warning me. I am newbie. |
| 13:05.22 | wols_ | gamag: ok. others will see that you get banned if you do that |
| 13:05.32 | azeem | RichiH: did you try gnome ;) |
| 13:05.35 | wols_ | gamag: I can't ban you. but doing what you wanted is stimply dumb |
| 13:05.43 | dbmoodb | ? |
| 13:05.52 | S4nD3r | What about a science fiction creation... |
| 13:05.54 | dbmoodb | some one can ban if you are stupid |
| 13:06.11 | SpeedyG | what I dont get about the debian installer, is why if you select you dont want to participate in pop-con, then why does it FIRST start installing pop-con immediately after clicking continue ... |
| 13:06.16 | wols_ | rubymonk: now you |
| 13:06.19 | S4nD3r | A chip with knowledge to connect in head... |
| 13:06.23 | wols_ | now you're getting somewhere |
| 13:06.24 | jelly | S4nD3r: you don't have to say anything, just send $50 checks to relevant people and that will be thanks enough! |
| 13:06.28 | themill | gamag: actually, the IRC line length would get in the road anyway when there are 740 people in the channel... |
| 13:06.40 | S4nD3r | jelly: sure !!! |
| 13:06.41 | themill | S4nD3r: or two cases of beer. |
| 13:06.52 | gamag | themill: oh yes, you are right |
| 13:06.59 | wols_ | themill: if the script is "good" enough it can be fixed. there are sometimes notices to whole servers and such |
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| 13:07.54 | S4nD3r | themill: I love it too! |
| 13:08.04 | themill | S4nD3r: Or make a donation to the debian project. In fact, how about you make a regular monthly donation to an open source project that you're using. |
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| 13:08.31 | rubymonk | wols_, Well, no, udev sucks, See, for example: SUBSYSTEM=="net", DRIVERS=="?*", ATTR{address}=="00:E0:4C:BA:B4:69", NAME="eth0" is a valid rule, I know it because I have read the manual, etc.. And guess what? it does not works... |
| 13:09.00 | rubymonk | well, How do you call a software that does not work when you do what's in the doc ? a buggy software... |
| 13:09.02 | S4nD3r | themill: really i didnt |
| 13:09.04 | wols_ | rubymonk: udev creates the file on its own, right? |
| 13:09.14 | rubymonk | wols_, No, not this one |
| 13:09.15 | wols_ | rubymonk: so why not just let it create it and then edit the "eth9" part |
| 13:09.16 | S4nD3r | But, I will look for a way to be more usefull to this project |
| 13:09.17 | Ronin | dbmoodb: yes, they can ban you for whatever reason they like, some channels have more set rules then others but if an @ wants to ban you then can |
| 13:09.26 | rubymonk | I removed the generator |
| 13:09.28 | dbmoodb | ? |
| 13:09.35 | dbmoodb | eh they ban as they choose dur |
| 13:09.35 | wols_ | rubymonk: I thought z25 is created by default? |
| 13:09.36 | dbmoodb | !ban |
| 13:09.49 | dbmoodb | - like it would seem my botabililty has been banned |
| 13:09.50 | rubymonk | wols_, Unless you remove the generator file |
| 13:09.53 | wols_ | S4nD3r: best learn a lot for your own good first |
| 13:09.58 | rubymonk | !z25 |
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| 13:10.10 | wols_ | rubymonk: it's recreated. as the dpkg factoid says |
| 13:10.17 | S4nD3r | sure. |
| 13:10.23 | rubymonk | Yes, IF there is the generator file |
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| 13:10.33 | rubymonk | If you delete it, it'll stay static |
| 13:10.44 | rubymonk | dpkg would tell you that, but it's down :( |
| 13:10.55 | azeem | aptitude, z25 |
| 13:11.03 | gamag | why is dpkg down? |
| 13:11.16 | dbmoodb | ~! |
| 13:11.17 | apt | somebody said ! was what my big sibling dpkg uses instead of ~, or not, or what dpkg uses dumbass |
| 13:11.17 | wols_ | rubymonk: no. there are two files you need to delete to let it stay static |
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| 13:11.18 | rubymonk | z45_persistent-net-generator.rules that is |
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| 13:11.20 | dbmoodb | apt is here ? |
| 13:11.43 | wols_ | <dpkg> z25 is probably as of version 0.090, udev has the ability to statically rename ethernet cards based on MAC address. The addresses are configured in /etc/udev/rules.d/z25_persistent-net.rules . If you want the mappings to change, edit that file. If you don't want udev to touch your interface names, remove that file and z45_persistent-net-generator.rules in the same directory. |
| 13:11.43 | rubymonk | Well, anyways, it's not modified |
| 13:11.59 | wols_ | so do you have the z45 file? |
| 13:12.02 | rubymonk | Right, and I removed the z45 |
| 13:12.11 | S4nD3r | I uses linux for a long time |
| 13:12.14 | wols_ | then recreate it. ask one of us here to give it to you or so |
| 13:12.28 | rubymonk | my z25 is: SUBSYSTEM=="net", DRIVERS=="?*", ATTR{address}=="00:E0:4C:BA:B4:69", NAME="eth0" |
| 13:12.29 | RichiH | azeem: no, i didn't try gnome |
| 13:12.32 | wols_ | S4nD3r: orly? would couldn't have guessed |
| 13:12.40 | RichiH | azeem: i fear that would not help, htough |
| 13:12.53 | azeem | yeah :-/ |
| 13:13.06 | wols_ | rubymonk: from my z25 file: # MAC addresses must be written in lowercase. |
| 13:13.11 | S4nD3r | but, the problem is just learn advanced issues when need |
| 13:13.18 | S4nD3r | always under pression |
| 13:13.42 | rubymonk | wols_, I don't have this in mine, nor seen it in the doc, but will try, thanks :) |
| 13:13.54 | dbmoodb | btw when can we expect oo.o to get patched for the most recent problem ? |
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| 13:14.30 | azeem | dbmoodb: it's patched already, but the builds haven't been finished yet on all architectures I think |
| 13:14.49 | themill | rubymonk: that line is in the default etch z25 file. If you deleted it and it was then recreated, you'd be missing that line/ |
| 13:15.40 | stopher2 | Morning! I am trying to edit apache2.2 on debian. File: /etc/apache2/sites-available/default in order to make the doc root /var/www instead of /var/www/apache2-default/. However, I cannot do so as there is a Virtual Host line reading: "RedirectMatch ^/$ /apache2-default/" I'm not even sure if that's the problem. Any advice? |
| 13:15.53 | rubymonk | I wrote a program that does it all for me, it probably removed all comments |
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| 13:17.36 | themill | stopher2: cp /etc/apache2/sites-available/default /etc/apache2/sites-available/mysite; vi /etc/apache2/sites-available/mysite; a2dissite default; a2ensite default; |
| 13:17.50 | themill | erm... a2ensite mysite |
| 13:18.29 | wols_ | and a2dissite too I guess |
| 13:18.50 | themill | wols_: rest should be ok. |
| 13:18.58 | themill | stopher2: then apache2ctl configtest; invoke-rc.d apache2 reload |
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| 13:19.13 | S4nD3r | Id like to have more chance to learn |
| 13:19.25 | stopher2 | thanks themill, i'll give it a shot |
| 13:19.32 | S4nD3r | Im one of that kind of person who learns when is need |
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| 13:20.03 | XTF | Hi. When preseeding, is there a way to get a key into authorized keys of a user? |
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| 13:20.27 | wols_ | S4nD3r: you don't learn. you ask us to do your work for you |
| 13:20.30 | wols_ | that's not learning |
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| 13:21.14 | S4nD3r | when this helps, next time i will not ask again |
| 13:21.44 | S4nD3r | when this happens again, i will not ask again |
| 13:21.47 | dbmoodb | k? |
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| 13:22.23 | ShredZ | what's this cairo does not yet support the requested image format error I get when starting iceweasel on etch ? |
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| 13:27.15 | SpeedyG | hi, on an amd 3000+ box, I wanna use a 32bit kernel, which one would be wise? |
| 13:27.29 | tarzeau | SpeedyG: k7 |
| 13:27.37 | S4nD3r | how did you help as much as about linux ?! |
| 13:27.41 | SpeedyG | ok |
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| 13:28.36 | wols_ | ShredZ: cairo is http://cairographics.org/ |
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| 13:31.09 | ShredZ | tnx wols_ it has something to do with the vnc session image format |
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| 13:31.48 | jelly | !test |
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| 13:32.25 | dbmoodb | ~test |
| 13:32.26 | apt | Oh, no! There's a test and I haven't studied! |
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| 13:33.28 | jelly | ~why is xserver-xorg not in testing |
| 13:33.28 | apt | why not? |
| 13:33.35 | jelly | apt: you tell me! |
| 13:33.36 | apt | ohhh, well, I know - nothing productive |
| 13:33.41 | themill | ravenbird: kill apt |
| 13:33.55 | dbmoodb | ~slow |
| 13:33.56 | apt | no I'm not |
| 13:33.57 | jelly | themill: at least it knew it was for nothig productive |
| 13:34.12 | dbmoodb | ~why nothing productive |
| 13:34.12 | apt | why not? |
| 13:34.15 | themill | hmmm... |
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| 13:34.29 | themill | bring back the bot! |
| 13:34.48 | jelly | bring back dondelelcaro, too |
| 13:34.48 | dbmoodb | dpkg is awol |
| 13:35.06 | jelly | (sp?) |
| 13:35.52 | balzar | i am trying to configure X on a dual head. my problem is that i get a clone on my second screen. how do i configure 2 X each running on a screen ( no clone, no twinview, no xinerama ) ??? |
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| 13:36.37 | balzar | on a Radeon 9600 with fglrx drivers |
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| 13:36.58 | dbmoodb | ooo nice |
| 13:37.08 | dbmoodb | don't ask us ask ati |
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| 13:37.36 | riboflavin | hello |
| 13:37.37 | balzar | dbmoodb: has nothing to do with ati... its a matter of xorg.config |
| 13:37.39 | riboflavin | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:37.55 | themill | balzar: the free radeon driver works very nicely with xinerama on that chip. |
| 13:38.35 | balzar | themill: i do not want xinerama. i just want two x session running independently |
| 13:39.25 | themill | balzar: well the free radeon driver also does that... |
| 13:39.51 | balzar | this is more of a ServerLayout config problem |
| 13:39.52 | dbmoodb | ah i see |
| 13:40.02 | dbmoodb | wtf balzar why are you using fglrx on that chip ? |
| 13:40.04 | dbmoodb | i have that one lol |
| 13:40.26 | balzar | "Option Clone Off" does not do the trick |
| 13:40.28 | dbmoodb | ah and should you try the ati config stuff |
| 13:40.33 | dbmoodb | as well |
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| 13:41.34 | themill | balzar: iirc you need two serverlayouts for that and start the server twice referencing the second serverlayout. But it's a while since I've done this... |
| 13:41.59 | balzar | i am afraid it will override my xorg.config and remove screen1 |
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| 13:42.58 | themill | balzar: keep a copy of your xorg.conf. And running xorg will not overwrite the xorg.conf. |
| 13:43.03 | wols_ | balzar: what will? |
| 13:43.04 | balzar | themill: i think one is enough, have never seen an example of xorg.config with 2 |
| 13:43.16 | balzar | wols_: aticonfig |
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| 13:43.28 | wols_ | balzar: we don't support aticonfig.at all |
| 13:43.33 | SpeedyG | hm, when I boot, my box tries to start gdm, but it runs to a black screen and does nothing, what can I do to prevent it from starting gdm ? |
| 13:43.35 | themill | who mentioned aticonfig? |
| 13:43.44 | wols_ | !nodm |
| 13:43.50 | balzar | where is abrotman when i need him! |
| 13:43.51 | wols_ | @nodm |
| 13:43.52 | ravenbird | Debian does not use a specific runlevel for graphical display managers by default. Just remove the dm package(s) with "apt-get remove xdm kdm wdm login.app gdm pdm". "update-rc.d -f xdm remove" and friends will also disable the dm until a package update is installed and the runlevel symlinks are restored.. NEWSFLASH! echo "false" >/etc/X11/default-display-manager |
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| 13:43.55 | aptitude | Okay, I'm here. (courtesy of stew) |
| 13:44.09 | jelly | aptitude, why is xserver-xorg not in testing |
| 13:44.09 | aptitude | xserver-xorg is not in testing for the reasons listed in http://bjorn.haxx.se/debian/testing.pl?package=xserver-xorg |
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| 13:44.16 | jelly | thank you! |
| 13:44.32 | SpeedyG | wols_: what if I cant get to commandline because of gdm starting ? |
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| 13:45.11 | wols_ | SpeedyG: you can |
| 13:45.12 | balzar | SpeedyG: remove the sym links from rc2.d and rc3.d |
| 13:45.21 | SpeedyG | wols_: how? |
| 13:45.30 | Enverex | stew, What software does aptitude use? |
| 13:45.34 | wols_ | SpeedyG: single user mode boot, or init=/bin/bash |
| 13:45.38 | SpeedyG | gdm starts at boot, and seems to freeze the entire box |
| 13:45.44 | wols_ | Enverex: it's a modified blootbot |
| 13:45.45 | stew | aptitude: what are you |
| 13:45.45 | aptitude | I am a blootbot. For more info see <blootbot> |
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| 13:46.12 | jelly | stew: does it have a shortcut notation character enabled? |
| 13:46.27 | bzed | aptitude: jump! |
| 13:46.28 | aptitude | How high? |
| 13:46.33 | bzed | aptitude: jump 30m |
| 13:46.34 | aptitude | Whee! |
| 13:46.48 | stew | &blootbot |
| 13:46.49 | aptitude | blootbot is a severely mutiliated infobot, by xk. Homepage at http://blootbot.sourceforge.net. Blootbot debs are now in debian. You may not want to run a blootbot unless you're very good with perl. The latest svn has pgsql support. NOTE: blootbot development has officially stopped, and the project has been renamed back to infobot. Ask me about infobot. |
| 13:47.06 | stopher2 | themill: I just followed your directions, I enabled the new site, disabled default. I still cannot access items in /var/www. such as /var/www/phpmyadmin |
| 13:47.45 | wols_ | @tell stopher2 about errors |
| 13:47.45 | SpeedyG | wols_: where do I add it? i've tried that now, but somehow it still starts gdm :( |
| 13:47.56 | wols_ | SpeedyG: in your boot menu |
| 13:48.05 | SpeedyG | wols_: what line? |
| 13:48.10 | wols_ | the kernel line |
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| 13:48.22 | themill | stopher2: /var/www/phpmyadmin is a symlink, you'll need to enable symlinks, ln -s /etc/phpmyadmin/apache2.conf /etc/apache2/conf.d/; invoke-rc.d apache2 reload |
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| 13:48.33 | stew | i think i might have a supybot make an appearance soon instead of blootbot. i've been playing with one, and now have one that performs the debian functions that blootbot can only a LOT faster |
| 13:48.36 | themill | stopher2: (that was done from memory... check that those paths are actually correct ;) |
| 13:48.38 | SpeedyG | wols_: hm, apparently it didnt save the settings ... my bad |
| 13:48.58 | stopher2 | wols_: http://myserver times out. http://myserver/apache2-default works... i cannot get the doc root to /var/www instead of /var/www/apache2-default |
| 13:49.06 | themill | stew: does that mean there'll be a shiny toy to play with? |
| 13:49.26 | stew | yeah |
| 13:49.35 | themill | yipeee! |
| 13:50.24 | stew | i'm waging a war on "Updating debian files... please wait." |
| 13:51.01 | jelly | stew: which arch do you have on the machine? I remember having to fix the URLs in the code |
| 13:52.08 | jelly | w00t, new xfce4 available; still no new experimental midori |
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| 13:53.31 | jelly | stew: it returned the results after about 2 minutes |
| 13:53.44 | ^Timo^ | anyone knows how to see which version of dovecot i am running |
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| 13:53.55 | ^Timo^ | there should be a command for it right ??? |
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| 13:54.44 | themill | ^Timo^: for all debian packages: apt-cache policy packagename or dpkg -l packagename |
| 13:54.50 | ^Timo^ | okay |
| 13:56.16 | stopher2 | themill: I'm not sure if I understand the commands correctly.? |
| 13:57.04 | SpeedyG | hm, the moment I start x, it crashes again.. it says no screens found |
| 13:57.10 | wols_ | ^Timo^: dpkg -l |grep dovecot |
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| 13:57.27 | wols_ | SpeedyG: check your xorg.log |
| 13:57.42 | SpeedyG | wols_: I just did, it gives me a fatal IO Error 104 |
| 13:58.28 | wols_ | that's not the error |
| 13:58.58 | SpeedyG | oh great, as far as I see, my videocard isnt supported by the nvidia-kernel .. |
| 13:59.27 | themill | stopher2: there are two things you can do.... you can either give apache Options FollowSymLinks (http://httpd.apache.org/docs/2.2/mod/core.html#options) |
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| 13:59.50 | themill | stopher2: alternatively, you can load the phpmyadmin config into apache2/conf.d which installs a phpmyadmin alias. |
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| 14:00.01 | stopher2 | okay thanks :) |
| 14:00.04 | themill | stopher2: In either case, you'd need to reload the apache config with invoke-rc.d apache2 reload |
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| 14:01.32 | stopher2 | apache2: Syntax error on line 195 of /etc/apache2/apache2.conf: Could not openonfiguration file /etc/apache2/conf.d/apache2.conf: No such file or directory |
| 14:01.32 | stopher2 | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:01.44 | Slap_stick | how can i pull a file via scp ? |
| 14:01.45 | DustyBin | could anyone recommend a imap package what sits inbetween postfix and squirrelmail ? |
| 14:02.13 | wols_ | DustyBin: dovecot, courier-imap |
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| 14:02.22 | DustyBin | aye ok :D |
| 14:02.23 | ntars | courier-imap |
| 14:02.28 | Slap_stick | as appose log onto the server with the file and send it to the server i want it on, can i just scp it from the server it is on to the server i want it on |
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| 14:02.59 | themill | Slap_stick: scp source destination |
| 14:03.00 | DustyBin | am i right in thinking that i could put squirrelmail on a seperate web server, and run imaps on another server ? |
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| 14:03.17 | themill | stopher2: that ln command must have been wrong then. |
| 14:03.26 | DustyBin | or does squirrelmail need to be on the same server as what imaps runs on |
| 14:03.28 | ntars | DustyBin: yep |
| 14:03.33 | DustyBin | aye cool :D |
| 14:03.33 | Slap_stick | got it cheers |
| 14:03.45 | themill | stopher2: ln -s /etc/phpmyadmin/apache.conf /etc/apache2/conf.d/phpmyadmin.conf |
| 14:03.48 | DustyBin | squirrelmail is just a cliean for imaps? |
| 14:03.51 | SpeedyG | how can I find out what kernel to use for support on my gfx-card ? |
| 14:03.52 | DustyBin | *client |
| 14:04.02 | themill | stopher2: I had the filename wrong... that's why I warned that I was doing it from memory... |
| 14:04.13 | ntars | DustyBin: Squirrelmail simply rocks! |
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| 14:04.15 | stopher2 | Reloading web server config...grep: /etc/apache2/conf.d/apache2.conf: No such file or directory |
| 14:04.19 | DustyBin | aye it does :D |
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| 14:04.54 | DustyBin | because im running vserver now, ive setup a special guest for mail what will run postfix + imap |
| 14:05.03 | ntars | ok |
| 14:05.06 | eth01 | stopher2, where is your apache2.conf? |
| 14:05.13 | DustyBin | and i have another vserver guest what is a web server, and i will run squirrelmail on that |
| 14:05.33 | bzed | DustyBin: yeah, squirrelmail is a dump imap client |
| 14:05.37 | stopher2 | eth01: /etc/apache2/apache2.conf |
| 14:05.39 | DustyBin | aye cool :D |
| 14:05.42 | ntars | but please encrypt the server traffic between these hosts! |
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| 14:06.00 | DustyBin | ntars: its all local |
| 14:06.07 | eth01 | stopher2, read /var/log/apache2 |
| 14:06.10 | DustyBin | but i will run SSL on my apache server |
| 14:06.17 | themill | eth01: you're jumping in at the wrong place |
| 14:06.37 | eth01 | i won't open my mouth then next time, themill ... |
| 14:06.38 | ntars | ok |
| 14:06.50 | JYL57 | hi all I'm back with my unbooting Sarge box and hope to come to better results now ! thanks for your support |
| 14:07.03 | DustyBin | eth01: there is no such thing as eth01, should be eth1 ? |
| 14:07.22 | SpeedyG | How can I find out if my gfx card is supported in debian, and if so, using what kernel ? |
| 14:07.38 | themill | eth01: help is always welcome -- I'm certainly not telling you to shut up. It's just that you missed the context of the conversation that stopher2 and I had been having as you'd only just joined. |
| 14:07.55 | DustyBin | SpeedyG: what card |
| 14:08.05 | SpeedyG | DustyBin: Nvidia GeForce 8500GT |
| 14:08.11 | DustyBin | yep its supported |
| 14:08.30 | SpeedyG | ok, but then, why isnt my X starting, and only generating errors :( |
| 14:08.34 | DustyBin | because thats a new card i think you need to download / install drivers from nvidias website |
| 14:08.41 | SpeedyG | oh great :( |
| 14:08.45 | eth01 | DustyBin, for the 100,000 time, eth01 means 'nothing' .. |
| 14:08.53 | ntars | LOL |
| 14:08.54 | DustyBin | SpeedyG: nvidias linux scripts usually work i think.. |
| 14:08.58 | bzed | no |
| 14:09.03 | bzed | they usually break your system :\ |
| 14:09.06 | SpeedyG | DustyBin: my experience with that is kinda different |
| 14:09.11 | eth01 | ntars, ? |
| 14:09.12 | SpeedyG | what bzed says |
| 14:09.19 | bzed | you could backport the modules from unstable |
| 14:09.40 | bzed | it's a bit work, but it's possible |
| 14:09.46 | SpeedyG | bzed: i've got no experience with that at all |
| 14:10.03 | themill | DustyBin: please don't recommend nvidia's installer. |
| 14:10.07 | DustyBin | SpeedyG: why dont you just install the non-free nvidia drivers firsdt |
| 14:10.13 | DustyBin | aye ok. |
| 14:10.17 | SpeedyG | DustyBin: from the repos ? |
| 14:10.20 | DustyBin | aye |
| 14:10.21 | SpeedyG | just done that, dont work |
| 14:10.30 | DustyBin | make sure 'non-free' is on the end of the debian repos |
| 14:10.31 | stopher2 | themill: /etc/apache2/conf.d/apache2.conf is empty...apache.conf has data though |
| 14:10.31 | eth01 | SpeedyG, did you do apt-get update first? |
| 14:10.35 | SpeedyG | yes |
| 14:10.38 | themill | aptitude: tell DustyBin about why nvidia-installer sucks |
| 14:10.46 | SpeedyG | the non-free driver freezes my box |
| 14:10.50 | bzed | SpeedyG: have a look if the 8xxx series of driver from nvidia supports your card. there's a list somewher eon nvidia.com, google usually finds it |
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| 14:11.03 | bzed | SpeedyG: aah well then.. yiou need the more recent one... |
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| 14:11.13 | gamag | sound is not playing. how should I debug? |
| 14:11.17 | DustyBin | SpeedyG: linux rule no.1 . never expect the latest hardware to work straight away |
| 14:11.19 | bzed | SpeedyG: if you're not in a hurry, try to ping me tomorrow |
| 14:11.26 | SpeedyG | DustyBin: I dont |
| 14:11.31 | bzed | SpeedyG: or find solebody else who helps you |
| 14:11.37 | SpeedyG | maybe i'll try either sidux or ubuntu |
| 14:11.42 | themill | stopher2: you need to delete /etc/apache2/conf.d/apache2.conf as it is a broken symlink (a link where the target doesn't exist). Then use the last ln command I gave you. |
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| 14:11.48 | DustyBin | SpeedyG: linux rule no.2 always research hardware to see if it works on linux BEFORE you buy |
| 14:12.11 | PythonNinja | wwhat's the file that tells dpkg what packages not to upgrade? |
| 14:12.17 | SpeedyG | DustyBin: I wasnt planning on running linux on this box... at least not until lately |
| 14:12.27 | eth01 | PythonNinga, /etc/apt/sources.list ? |
| 14:12.52 | gamag | sound was playing fine till yesterday, but now when I open audio with vlc or xine, no sound comes out. nothing is mute. all volumes are high, master as well as pcm, the esd command also doesn't produce any sound. |
| 14:13.17 | PythonNinja | gamag: cat /dev/urandom >> /dev/dsp |
| 14:13.24 | PythonNinja | get ready to ctrl + c |
| 14:13.51 | DustyBin | SpeedyG: if the debian non-free nvidia drivers freeze your system your only choice left is to give the nvidia installer a try, but it could break your system and is not recommended |
| 14:13.59 | gamag | PythonNinja: bash: /dev/dsp: Device or resource busy |
| 14:14.06 | PythonNinja | o.0 |
| 14:14.14 | PythonNinja | though that's your problem solved |
| 14:14.23 | PythonNinja | something else has taken ownership of your sound hardware |
| 14:14.25 | SpeedyG | DustyBin: well, even if it breaks beyond any rescue, nothing is lost.. since its just a new install |
| 14:14.26 | gamag | PythonNinja: well that was because vlc was running, i stopped it and did it again, no sound from /dev/dsp |
| 14:14.28 | wols_ | gamag: fuser /dev/dsp |
| 14:14.30 | stopher2 | themill: okay...done! i still can't access anything in /var/www by going to http://myserver |
| 14:14.44 | gamag | wols_: no output for fuser /dev/dsp |
| 14:14.51 | PythonNinja | stopher2: what's your DocumentRoot in httpd.conf ? |
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| 14:15.09 | wols_ | gamag: are you in group audio? |
| 14:15.13 | eth01 | stopher2, pastebin /etc/apache2/apache2/sites-enabled/000-default |
| 14:15.24 | gamag | wols_: yes, because everything was running fine till yesterday |
| 14:15.25 | eth01 | errr, remove one of the apache2 ^^ |
| 14:15.42 | cast | these nvidia-installer breakages...they occur in stable? |
| 14:15.44 | gamag | gamag: moreover I am in audio group as well |
| 14:15.56 | themill | eth01: that file shouldn't exist if he's been following my help |
| 14:16.14 | stopher2 | ./etc/apache2/httpd.conf = 0 lines, 0 characters |
| 14:16.16 | eth01 | themill, then what are you doing telling s/he to remove that file anyway for? |
| 14:16.24 | wols_ | gamag: then something has /dev/dsp opened. tho why you use /dev/dsp anyways I have no clue |
| 14:16.29 | eth01 | stopher2, httpd.conf is 'touched' its empty. |
| 14:16.41 | gamag | wols_: so how should I fix it? |
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| 14:16.48 | themill | stopher2: can you pastebin /etc/apache2/sites-enabled/mysite.conf |
| 14:16.56 | wols_ | gamag: find out what hogs /dev/dsp and kill it |
| 14:17.09 | gamag | wols_: lsof | grep dsp shows nothing |
| 14:17.40 | wols_ | ls -al /dev/dsp |
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| 14:17.46 | themill | eth01: the best way to set up apache under debian is to cp default mysite; a2dissite default; a2ensite mysite. 000-default->default is a packaged file and it's just best not to touch it. |
| 14:17.55 | gamag | wols_: crw-rw---- 1 root audio 14, 3 2007-12-06 01:05 /dev/dsp |
| 14:18.11 | wols_ | gamag: id |
| 14:18.25 | eth01 | themill, apt-get usually does it pretty well. but i've probably got a simular setup anyway. |
| 14:18.26 | gamag | wols_: id? |
| 14:18.39 | gamag | wols_: uid=1000(humpty) gid=1000(humpty) groups=20(dialout),24(cdrom),25(floppy),29(audio),44(video),46(plugdev),107(powerdev),108(netdev),1000(humpty) |
| 14:18.43 | eth01 | i removed httpd.conf ... as with a couple others. |
| 14:19.22 | themill | eth01: it's a conffile so it won't get overwritten, but it's just easier not to touch it in the long run. httpd.conf should be an empty file under etch. |
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| 14:19.39 | wols_ | eth01: cat /dev/urandom > /dev/dsp stop wtih ctrl+c and dno't keep your volume too high |
| 14:20.13 | eth01 | themill, indeed. |
| 14:20.26 | eth01 | wols_, eh? |
| 14:20.57 | themill | aptitude: moo |
| 14:20.57 | aptitude | mooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I'm a cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass. I'm a cow, you could be too; join us all! type apt-get moo. aplay /usr/lib/openoffice/share/gallery/sounds/cow.wav |
| 14:21.03 | wols_ | was for gamag, sorry |
| 14:21.05 | themill | wols_: ^^ I prefer the last one |
| 14:21.08 | stopher2 | http://pastebin.com/m3f148f43 |
| 14:21.20 | gamag | wols_: tried that, no sound |
| 14:21.38 | eth01 | wols_, also, running that command will normally give you > -bash: /dev/dsp: Permission denied ... thats if you've not CHMOD it. |
| 14:21.42 | wols_ | gamag: no "permission deneid" either? |
| 14:21.59 | wols_ | eth01: nope |
| 14:22.24 | gamag | wols_: no permission denied |
| 14:22.33 | eth01 | heh |
| 14:22.35 | gamag | wols_: it just stops and then I have to kill it with ctrl+c |
| 14:22.36 | themill | gamag: if you invoke-rc.d alsa reload , it will give you a list of processes that are touching the sound card |
| 14:23.11 | gamag | themill: nvoke-rc.d: unknown initscript, /etc/init.d/alsa not found. |
| 14:23.31 | JYL57 | Ok, I need assistance to repair my system... I've booted with a liveCD and mounted my partition. How to check my system files ? |
| 14:23.36 | gamag | i don't have any alsa in /etc/init.d. I have alsa-utils and alsasound instead there themill |
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| 14:23.43 | eth01 | themill, that command wont work on _every_ machine. |
| 14:23.50 | wols_ | @debsums |
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| 14:24.13 | eth01 | gamag, are you telling me that you don't have a soundcard driver configured? |
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| 14:26.14 | themill | eth01: it should work for etch if the machine is using alsa... and it will pick up things like artsd or esd hogging the device. |
| 14:26.58 | themill | gamag: are you running etch? do you have the debian alsa-base package installed |
| 14:27.19 | JYL57 | can I do a chroot in order to change the root directory and then try other thing ? |
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| 14:28.36 | GhostlyDeath | Is there a specific spot where source code in the source code packages need to be installed? |
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| 14:32.13 | stopher2 | themill: how do i re-install apache2 as it would have been before I edited? |
| 14:32.35 | stopher2 | I don't even get the itworks! page in /apache2-default... |
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| 14:34.05 | wols_ | stopher2: just remove and pruge apache2.3-common and resintall apache |
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| 14:34.49 | gamag | i have re-installed alsa-base and alsa-utils. now how do I restart sound service to make sure I can do a fresh test? |
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| 14:36.21 | stopher2 | wols_: that didn't work too well. |
| 14:36.32 | stopher2 | wols_: all of the conf files are still intact and all. |
| 14:37.07 | wols_ | stopher2: dpkg -l |grep apache |
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| 14:38.04 | stopher2 | that did...nothing? |
| 14:38.18 | wols_ | I don't beleive you |
| 14:38.33 | wols_ | -l is lowercase L |
| 14:38.48 | stopher2 | yep, that's what i used |
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| 14:39.05 | wols_ | then there is no apache installed. ever. I don't think so |
| 14:39.08 | stopher2 | http://pastebin.com/m4e09e1f9 |
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| 14:39.57 | wols_ | stopher2: you did not purge |
| 14:40.07 | f13 | Hi, I have a question regarding the development setup of Debian software. As a debian package maintainer, do you have commit access to other Debian packages, if you needed to fix something for example? |
| 14:40.11 | f13 | example that is. |
| 14:40.12 | stopher2 | apt-get remove --purge <appname> |
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| 14:40.41 | wols_ | stopher2: "rc" clearly say: removed but NO config files purged |
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| 14:41.47 | wols_ | f13: what "commit access"? only one who can upload something to the repository is ftpmaster |
| 14:42.23 | abrotman | f13: you can do somethign called NMU |
| 14:42.24 | abrotman | !nmu |
| 14:42.27 | abrotman | aptitude: nmu |
| 14:42.28 | aptitude | well, nmu is Non Maintainer Upload, it's when a debian developer which is not the maintainer of a package uploads an update of said package |
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| 14:43.06 | gamag | my sound is stll not working |
| 14:43.08 | gamag | what should I do? |
| 14:43.10 | gamag | help |
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| 14:43.41 | PythonNinja | wols_: what does purge do? |
| 14:43.59 | PythonNinja | i have everything i've installed and then deeted come up in dpkg -l with a rc prefix |
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| 14:44.27 | abrotman | f13: but usually NMUs are only allowed at certain times |
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| 14:44.48 | stopher2 | gah. wols_: it says "directory not empty, so not removed" |
| 14:44.53 | RedShift | how exactly do you prevent a daemon (for example httpd) from starting up after installing it? |
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| 14:45.18 | RedShift | once you install apache httpd, it always starts without even asking if it should be started on every boot |
| 14:45.45 | abrotman | RedShift: you can use update-rc.d |
| 14:46.12 | wols_ | @tell stopher2 about bat |
| 14:46.14 | RedShift | but the manpage says: " Please note that this program was designed for use in package maintainer scripts" |
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| 14:47.16 | stopher2 | wols_: i didn't get anything from that :) |
| 14:47.24 | ^Timo^ | Hi. |
| 14:47.33 | ^Timo^ | anyone that can help me starting dovecot |
| 14:47.51 | ^Timo^ | i have compiled it and maked it ready for use |
| 14:47.56 | ^Timo^ | how do i start it |
| 14:47.58 | ^Timo^ | ? |
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| 14:48.24 | f13 | wols_: I meant more like fixing a bug in a package description, or adding a patch for a package. |
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| 14:49.07 | f13 | wols_: or is only the owner or listed co-maintainers allowed to commit changes to a given package? |
| 14:49.49 | gamag | is there any reason why installation of ndiswrapper from source should screw up sound? because that's the only thing I did today. |
| 14:50.08 | abrotman | f13: normally .. yes |
| 14:50.37 | f13 | ok, yeah, reading NMU that's basically what I was talking about. Thanks. |
| 14:51.44 | stopher2 | wols- aptitude shows that the packages aren't installed...can i just delete the /etc/apache2 directory...? |
| 14:51.46 | f13 | thanks! |
| 14:51.49 | abrotman | f13: of course .. anyone can post a patch to the BTS for the maintainer to apply |
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| 14:51.52 | abrotman | oh well |
| 14:51.58 | GhostlyDeath | ANyone know a good pastebin site? |
| 14:52.14 | abrotman | aptitude: paste |
| 14:52.15 | aptitude | Do not paste more than 3 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://channels.debian.net/paste/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. |
| 14:53.34 | GhostlyDeath | http://rafb.net/p/W0bc9k46.html <-- anyone else getting this> |
| 14:53.41 | wols_ | stopher2: you cannot |
| 14:54.10 | wols_ | stopher2: I told you to PURGE. if you don't know what this is, read the docs |
| 14:54.12 | abrotman | GhostlyDeath: you're running unstable? |
| 14:54.12 | JYL57 | how to change the font size in my current X window ?! |
| 14:54.22 | GhostlyDeath | abrotman: lenny |
| 14:54.25 | abrotman | !tell GhostlyDeath about bts |
| 14:54.31 | abrotman | jesusdamnitfuck |
| 14:54.35 | abrotman | aptitude: bts |
| 14:54.36 | aptitude | from memory, bts is the Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or http://bugs.debian.org/bugnumber apt-get install reportbug, and check out <querybts> too. Users of "sid" are required to check the BTS, useful for sid: apt-get install apt-listbugs, or apt-get install apt-listchanges |
| 14:54.40 | GhostlyDeath | You allready told me the other day! |
| 14:54.45 | abrotman | did you look there? |
| 14:54.51 | GhostlyDeath | Couldnt find the link |
| 14:55.00 | abrotman | bugs.debian.org/nautilus |
| 14:55.53 | stopher2 | alrighty then. apache2.2-common is reintsalled...guess i will try all of this mumbo-jumbo again tonight |
| 14:55.59 | stopher2 | thanks for the help everyone |
| 14:56.20 | PythonNinja | what's the difference between unstable and lenny? |
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| 14:56.41 | ^Timo^ | Hi |
| 14:56.50 | GhostlyDeath | lenny is testing, sid is unstable |
| 14:56.58 | ^Timo^ | can someone explain me whats the difference between useradd and adduser |
| 14:57.06 | ^Timo^ | i need right know for dovecot |
| 14:57.23 | ^Timo^ | dovecot seems to want a special user for it self |
| 14:57.23 | PythonNinja | so in my apt/sources.lst lenny and testing are interchangeable? |
| 14:57.49 | abrotman | PythonNinja: they should all point to lenny |
| 14:57.58 | abrotman | ^Timo^: they have man pages |
| 14:58.05 | ^Timo^ | yeah i know |
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| 14:58.08 | ^Timo^ | have checked them |
| 14:58.23 | ^Timo^ | but don't know when to use useradd and when adduser |
| 14:58.32 | PythonNinja | abrotman: well, i'm on testing at the moment i think, should i change testing to lenny ? |
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| 14:58.48 | GhostlyDeath | PythonNinja: Once lenny becomes stable you will be on stable |
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| 14:59.08 | GhostlyDeath | PythonNinja: if you always want to stay testing, use testing |
| 14:59.17 | PythonNinja | GhostlyDeath: so by keeping it on testing, i'll always be on the testing repos, whenever they change, i geddit :) |
| 14:59.19 | E-bola | do anybody know of any linux distributions that can install themselfs as part of a ntfs/fat32 partition? |
| 14:59.20 | PythonNinja | thanks |
| 14:59.26 | E-bola | so you dont have to repartition your windows drive? |
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| 14:59.38 | eth01 | E-bola, GRUB has that feature anyway ? |
| 14:59.46 | abrotman | PythonNinja: i would change it to lenny |
| 14:59.54 | PythonNinja | abrotman: and why is that? |
| 15:00.00 | E-bola | eth01: grub? |
| 15:00.06 | eth01 | !lenny |
| 15:00.07 | abrotman | PythonNinja: if you're asking the difference .. you should change it to lenny |
| 15:00.08 | E-bola | what does the bootloader have to do with it? |
| 15:00.09 | PythonNinja | E-bola: any if you want to |
| 15:00.20 | E-bola | I cant find anhy guides on how to do it |
| 15:00.33 | PythonNinja | abrotman: i meant lenny and testing, got my brain all confuzzled, i know what the difference between testing and unstable is |
| 15:00.40 | abrotman | PythonNinja: track the release .. after lenny is released .. you can move to lenny+1 if you like .. testing can get pretty turbulent after a release |
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| 15:00.50 | eth01 | aptitude: lenny |
| 15:00.50 | aptitude | rumour has it, lenny is the codename for the next Debian release, currently testing. Lenny is the binoculars. ask me about <etch->lenny> |
| 15:01.04 | E-bola | PythonNinja: how do I install etch on a ntfs drive? |
| 15:01.12 | abrotman | PythonNinja: so as i said .. you'd probably do better to track 'lenny' than 'testing' |
| 15:01.33 | PythonNinja | E-bola: it'll be interesting, you'll need to make sure that you have the ntfs-3g driver from the outset |
| 15:01.34 | abrotman | E-bola: you can't |
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| 15:01.42 | PythonNinja | abrotman: bullsh*t |
| 15:01.50 | abrotman | there's no ntfs-3g driver in etch |
| 15:01.51 | PythonNinja | it'll be a pain, but it's totally doable |
| 15:01.51 | eth01 | PythonNinja, would you call yourself a linux newbie? |
| 15:01.56 | PythonNinja | eth01: nope |
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| 15:02.13 | eth01 | I was going to say, newbies' shouldn't be using lenny. |
| 15:02.17 | PythonNinja | i might just install debian into a ntfs partition to prove my point |
| 15:02.21 | E-bola | PythonNinja: do you know of any dists that make it easy? |
| 15:02.26 | PythonNinja | E-bola: nope xD |
| 15:02.29 | E-bola | where its supported in the installer? |
| 15:02.31 | E-bola | :( |
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| 15:02.45 | PythonNinja | eth01: i realised the other day, i've been using nix for 10 years, though only actively or well for 5 of them |
| 15:03.30 | PythonNinja | hehe |
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| 15:05.54 | gamag | someone please help me with my sound |
| 15:06.05 | ^Timo^ | wols_ : should i use useradd for dovecot to add user |
| 15:06.08 | ^Timo^ | or adduser |
| 15:06.21 | gamag | i had recompiled alsa-driver from the source available in alsa-project.org and installed it. it worked fine for two days. but today it is not working |
| 15:06.28 | gamag | anyone knows the reason why? |
| 15:06.34 | ^Timo^ | i need to have a user only for dovecot |
| 15:06.38 | ^Timo^ | so no shell and stuff |
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| 15:09.09 | eth01 | ^Timo^, adduser dovecot ? |
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| 15:09.28 | eth01 | ^Timo^, /home/dovecot ? |
| 15:09.58 | eth01 | ^Timo^, adduser dovecot (apply a null bash session) |
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| 15:11.16 | NickBurnsSNL | Greetings all ... |
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| 15:11.32 | petemc | ^Timo^: depends how dovecot is configured, adduser should work |
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| 15:16.05 | Asmooh | i want to buy an new computer but is it still better to buy nvidia chipset and video? or is ati supported good anno 2007? |
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| 15:17.39 | RedShift | which package contains xorgconfig? |
| 15:18.07 | eth01 | redshift, apt-cache search xorg and google is also nice |
| 15:18.15 | petemc | RedShift: use dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg |
| 15:18.32 | RedShift | already tried searching the package repositories |
| 15:20.27 | RedShift | ugh |
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| 15:24.20 | ^Timo^ | eth01 : hmm.. now i have a user who can login with ssh |
| 15:24.34 | abrotman | ^Timo^: set their shell to /bin/false |
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| 15:24.45 | ^Timo^ | hmm ok |
| 15:25.12 | ^Timo^ | abrotman : can it also be done with useradd ? |
| 15:25.23 | ^Timo^ | i want to know what useradd does ? |
| 15:25.25 | abrotman | read the man page and look |
| 15:25.26 | wols_ | ^Timo^: why? |
| 15:25.36 | ^Timo^ | okay. |
| 15:25.44 | wols_ | it adds a system user |
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| 15:26.14 | ^Timo^ | !dpkg useradd |
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| 15:26.40 | \amethyst | ^Timo^: you can set the shell with useradd, or make a --system account with adduser, or use chsh to change it for an existing user, |
| 15:26.44 | wols_ | ^Timo^: man useradd |
| 15:27.35 | pike__ | ive created a virtualfs on a file in my ubuntu partition now im wondering if there is a better way to mount it at boot and do the losetup than editing skeleton file in init.d which is the only way i know to do it |
| 15:27.44 | pike__ | arg sorry guys wrong chan |
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| 15:29.08 | ^Timo^ | okay. |
| 15:29.13 | jelly | is there a channel with aptitude developers? There are some annoying bugs lingering for months. |
| 15:29.14 | ^Timo^ | so adduser dovecot |
| 15:29.19 | ^Timo^ | is also good ? |
| 15:29.34 | riz_ | Hi. I have a problem with bind9 on etch: when I try to start it, I see "Starting domain name service...: bind" and it's blocked. The service doesn't starts. Seems to be a problem related to port (it tries to start on 953 instead on 53) Could please someone help me ? |
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| 15:33.06 | elmo_proxy | is there a way to dpkg-reconfigure links2 to add ssl support? Or do i have to compile it from scratch? |
| 15:33.37 | PythonNinja | whoa, i'm just setting up links2 as well |
| 15:33.48 | PythonNinja | can't get mouse to work in the framebuffer though |
| 15:33.55 | elmo_proxy | no? |
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| 15:34.51 | elmo_proxy | try gpm, i guess? |
| 15:35.19 | cast | links2 depends on libssl, eh |
| 15:35.59 | elmo_proxy | cast: but if it is not specifically compiled with it, it doesnt even use it. |
| 15:36.11 | elmo_proxy | i still cant go to 'secure' websites |
| 15:36.38 | cast | i can go to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ fine |
| 15:36.44 | rdz | is there a way to make rsync continue uploading a file, if connection was lost while uploading a huge file? i am looking for something similar to --continue for wget |
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| 15:37.17 | johndoevodka | how do i manually set the DNS server? |
| 15:37.36 | cast | vi /etc/resolv.conf |
| 15:37.37 | wols_ | johndoevodka: man interfaces man resolv.conf |
| 15:37.37 | Ronin | johndoevodka: /etc/resolv.conf |
| 15:37.40 | elmo_proxy | every time i try to access my mail.yahoo, it keeps telling me i dont have ssl support |
| 15:37.42 | johndoevodka | thanks guys :) |
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| 15:37.50 | wols_ | one can set it in interfaces too :) |
| 15:38.05 | pike__ | johndoevodka: its not static though itll reset if you edit resolv.conf |
| 15:38.13 | elmo_proxy | Ronin: but you can not edit that file, it will become re-writen next boot. |
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| 15:38.28 | Ronin | elmo_proxy: odd mines manually edited |
| 15:38.45 | wols_ | Ronin: you use static ips im interfaces? |
| 15:39.15 | Ronin | ya that would be why |
| 15:39.27 | johndoevodka | o yea... and for some reason DHCP doesnt work on wlan0, while it works on eth0 |
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| 15:39.44 | johndoevodka | *doesnt |
| 15:39.53 | cast | rdz: hmm, --append does something |
| 15:39.53 | johndoevodka | oh nvm |
| 15:40.59 | rdz | cast, my 'man rsync' doesn't find the pattern '--append' |
| 15:41.07 | rdz | cast, what version are you using ? |
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| 15:41.43 | capiira_ | does exist a channel to talk about debian-sid ? |
| 15:41.50 | cast | 2.6.9, etch |
| 15:42.32 | rdz | aha... 2.6.6 here |
| 15:42.33 | rdz | thanks |
| 15:42.44 | azeem | capiira_: don't think so |
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| 15:43.18 | cast | rdz: could continue sending the remaining part of your file without needing rsync to support resuming of any kind |
| 15:43.23 | abrotman | capiira_: there was a #debian-sid at one time |
| 15:43.40 | capiira_ | sad |
| 15:44.22 | capiira_ | i joined #debian-sid :) and hope others follow |
| 15:44.36 | cast | rdz: using dd seek to skip the section you've already copied or some other method :> |
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| 15:45.39 | GhostlyDeath | heh |
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| 15:45.42 | rdz | cast, no.. the idea would be of course less effort for me AND continueing.... only one or the other is not very useful |
| 15:46.48 | GhostlyDeath | well Debian has gotten alot better since 3.1 |
| 15:48.12 | Ronin | i should hope so GhostlyDeath, |
| 15:48.54 | ^Timo^ | okay |
| 15:48.59 | ^Timo^ | Thanks folks |
| 15:49.07 | ^Timo^ | another question |
| 15:49.10 | cast | i'm a bit confused now |
| 15:49.11 | ^Timo^ | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:49.25 | ^Timo^ | what is CPPFLAGS=-I ? |
| 15:50.25 | cast | wouldn't rsync naturally support continuing |
| 15:50.34 | Nyle | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:50.44 | PythonNinja | sleep is for the dead, and the week |
| 15:50.49 | Nyle | weak* |
| 15:50.56 | PythonNinja | shush you |
| 15:51.22 | Nyle | I'm going to the bakery |
| 15:51.24 | Nyle | I just woke up |
| 15:51.35 | PythonNinja | nice |
| 15:51.52 | Nyle | after this bag |
| 15:51.54 | Nyle | no more baking |
| 15:52.04 | Nyle | at least until Eid is over next month |
| 15:52.34 | OleMoudi | hi guys, don't really know where to ask this |
| 15:52.40 | Nyle | I have go buy a little goat in pakistan and have my family sacrifice it in the name of $DIETY |
| 15:52.44 | Nyle | OleMoudi: just ask |
| 15:52.53 | azeem | Nyle: thanks for that |
| 15:53.07 | OleMoudi | any ideas why a rsync -avzL of a very big file stops giving the error "failed verification -- update discarded (will try again)" |
| 15:53.29 | Nyle | OleMoudi: how big |
| 15:53.30 | psyche_ | can someone give me good apache2 configs? |
| 15:53.35 | OleMoudi | 2,5gb |
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| 15:53.51 | Nyle | psyche_: default is fine enough, just read the comments and docs and configure it properly |
| 15:53.58 | azeem | OleMoudi: which version of Debian? |
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| 15:54.18 | OleMoudi | azeem, etch |
| 15:54.23 | psyche_ | can someone say how i can see my memory usage? |
| 15:54.28 | hoxu | OleMoudi, tried with newest rsync version? |
| 15:54.28 | Nyle | free |
| 15:54.28 | psyche_ | do i trust phpsysinfo or ps ux? |
| 15:54.33 | Nyle | psyche_: man free |
| 15:54.35 | sneex | with regard to name servers -- does the registrar set the NS ttl or does the zone manager set it? |
| 15:54.52 | Nyle | psyche_: free -m will display it all regarding memory |
| 15:54.59 | shamrock | could someone running iceweasel on lenny please tell me if the dilbert site http://www.dilbert.com/ is showing the cartoon properly? Stoppped working yesterday after a synaptic update. 2.0.0.8. |
| 15:55.12 | Nyle | psyche_: or cat /proc/meminfo |
| 15:55.24 | OleMoudi | hoxu, no, I will try that |
| 15:55.55 | Decepticon | what does it mean when i login and it says "You have new mail." ... i have no mail server, i think |
| 15:56.08 | ^Timo^ | kay. |
| 15:56.13 | ^Timo^ | anyone knows what to do |
| 15:56.15 | cast | Decepticon: run mail, have a look |
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| 15:56.32 | sneex | psyche_: phpsysinfo is fairly accurate |
| 15:56.35 | Decepticon | is that the command? "mail" |
| 15:56.42 | cast | it is |
| 15:56.45 | hoxu | Decepticon, try it :p |
| 15:56.47 | ^Timo^ | after changes has been made to /etc/passwd /ets/group /etc/shadow |
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| 15:58.35 | gamag | sound was not working for many hours even after umpteen restarts and umpteen alsa-driver installation from the source. now i went for dinner and restarted my laptop once again and it starts working now. how can I find out why it was not working earlier? |
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| 15:59.09 | ^Timo^ | what to do ? |
| 15:59.15 | ^Timo^ | updatedb or somthing ? |
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| 15:59.46 | cast | ^Timo^: changes will be immediate |
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| 16:00.02 | ^Timo^ | ok. |
| 16:00.08 | cast | ^Timo^: if you added yourself to a group you'll have to relogin or run newgrp though |
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| 16:07.48 | mbroeker | wow the bot is offline |
| 16:08.11 | Decepticon | so when i ready my mail with the "mail" command, i see my machine recognizes itself on a domain i entered long ago in my debian install setup... how do i change that? |
| 16:08.41 | penp | hostname |
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| 16:10.03 | stew | mbroeker: you can use 'aptitude' as a replacement until dpkg returns |
| 16:10.08 | Decepticon | any reason why i should be getting these kinds of mails a lot /etc/cron.daily/apt: WARNING: The following packages cannot be authenticated! libisc11 libdns22 libisccc0 libisccfg1 libbind9-0 liblwres9 bind9-host dnsutils file libmagic1 libnspr4-0d libmozjs0d libnss3-0d libpoppler0c2-glib libpoppler0c2 wine libwine libxul0d libxul-common poppler-utils xulrunner-gnome-support |
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| 16:10.28 | hoxu | apt is here too :P |
| 16:10.31 | mbroeker | thx stew |
| 16:10.35 | Decepticon | penp, the hostname command shows only the hostname... |
| 16:10.42 | Decepticon | penp, i was asking about a domain |
| 16:11.00 | hoxu | how were the bot factoid databases kept in sync, again? |
| 16:11.04 | Decepticon | <hostname>.<magic domain that came out of nowhere>.edu |
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| 16:11.25 | abrotman | hoxu: apt is not in sync with dpkg |
| 16:12.04 | hoxu | abrotman, oh wow, any particular reason why? Does that go for aptitude as well? |
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| 16:12.19 | abrotman | hoxu: different bots .. aptitude is a nightly copy of dpkg |
| 16:12.24 | Nyle | hi stew |
| 16:12.35 | abrotman | hoxu: ravenbird is also not in sync with dpkg, but does have a lot of the same data |
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| 16:13.29 | hoxu | abrotman, geh, I guess things change over years... so factoids only pour from dpkg to aptitude and no where else, and dpkg gets nothing elsewhere? |
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| 16:13.45 | abrotman | seemingly |
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| 16:14.13 | hoxu | I see, thanks for clearing it up :) |
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| 16:19.42 | albert | am i able to edit the startup entry for mp3/ogg files in the nautilus browser? (e.g. xmms -e) |
| 16:20.03 | albert | just tried to add "xmms -e" but it won't work |
| 16:20.31 | abrotman | yes |
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| 16:20.37 | abrotman | right click and open with |
| 16:21.11 | DrNach | I just recently dist upgraded and it seems 'locate' no longer exists. Is there a new package for it? |
| 16:21.21 | albert | well, that's just for once. i wanted the "xmms -e" as a general execute function |
| 16:21.39 | Decepticon | so when i ready my mail with the "mail" command, i see my machine recognizes itself on a domain i entered long ago (im not sure if i did, or if it autodetected) in my debian install setup... how do i change that? (i know "hostname" shows the hostname, which im not concerned with... i am concerned with is the domain bit in <hostname>.<old domain i used to be on but am not anymore>.com ) |
| 16:21.47 | whitehat | sorry for the trivial question but I've a fedora guy. can one do something similar to a media check at at initial install at the boot prompt? |
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| 16:22.55 | stew | Nyle: hi |
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| 16:23.08 | Decepticon | how did the domain bit get there and how do i change it |
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| 16:23.28 | DrNach | Hmm, seems locate was split off into its own package named locate, okay... |
| 16:23.34 | hoxu | @tell Decepticon about hostname |
| 16:23.41 | hoxu | argh |
| 16:23.49 | hoxu | aptitude, tell Decepticon about hostname |
| 16:24.14 | PythonNinja | aptitude: hostname |
| 16:24.15 | aptitude | use hostname <hostname> to set the hostname, $EDITOR /etc/hostname to set it for the next boot, and $EDITOR /etc/hosts to set the FQDN, or create /etc/hostname if it doesn't exist, or 'man 1 hostname' |
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| 16:24.50 | Decepticon | is it safe to edit /etc/hosts |
| 16:24.56 | Decepticon | and remove a entry |
| 16:25.14 | pobega | If I'm backing up my system with tar, which folders would be good to backup? My current list is "/home /bin /usr /etc /lib /srv /dev /sbin /var" |
| 16:25.34 | hoxu | Decepticon, take a backup and go ahead... I don't think there are many requirements regarding the content, it's good to have localhost there at least |
| 16:25.43 | PythonNinja | pobega: apt-get install dump |
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| 16:26.05 | Decepticon | when i do "hostname" all i see is "decepticon" but like i was saying earlier, in "mail" i see a lot of "decepticon.<crap>.com" where did <crap>.com come from and how do i get rid of it |
| 16:26.12 | PythonNinja | Decepticon: as long as you have the localhost entry, then yeah you can't really break anything |
| 16:26.21 | PythonNinja | Decepticon: that's the search domain |
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| 16:26.37 | FastPutty | how do you print out the raw packet in acsii in tcpdump? |
| 16:26.37 | Decepticon | why is it there, how do i remove it from every trace of my system |
| 16:26.58 | petemc | Decepticon: /etc/hosts , most likely |
| 16:27.05 | PythonNinja | what is the <crap>.com |
| 16:27.25 | Decepticon | its an old educational network where the computer used to reside, now the computer isnt there anymore |
| 16:27.29 | hoxu | pobega, your home directory, installed package lists and the important system directories like /etc :P |
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| 16:27.41 | PythonNinja | and it should appear in the form "domain <crap>.com" or "search <crap>.com" in /etc/resolv.conf |
| 16:28.03 | Decepticon | i think it must have been detected during my initial debian installation setup |
| 16:28.14 | Decepticon | but i dont want it anymore |
| 16:28.17 | superpigs | how to install nvidia graphical driver on debian? |
| 16:29.55 | hoxu | &tell superpigs about nvidia |
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| 16:30.54 | PythonNinja | aptitude: nvidia |
| 16:30.55 | aptitude | To use an NVIDIA graphics card with Debian, see http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers. If you've done it before, ask me about <nvidia one-liner> for a reminder. |
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| 16:31.23 | mbroeker | FastPutty, i dont know how to do it with tcpdump, but i use another proggy for it |
| 16:31.52 | SexyKen | Hey everyone -- is it possible to easily bind multiple /24's to a server or does one have to manually add all of the IP's 1 by 1 |
| 16:32.05 | superpigs | oh my godness what a 'complete' description |
| 16:32.22 | hoxu | FastPutty, you do it by typing "man 8 tcpdump" and searching for "ascii" |
| 16:32.26 | PythonNinja | SexyKen: what do you mean "bind to a server" ? |
| 16:32.55 | SexyKen | Python, I'm sure you know what I meant, but for the narrow -- I will rephrase to bind to a network interface |
| 16:32.57 | petemc | SexyKen: you can script it easily enough - obviously you would need to be careful |
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| 16:33.36 | PythonNinja | SexyKen: no i genuinely didn't, do you mean you want to bind a network interface to every ip in a /24 subnet?! |
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| 16:34.05 | SexyKen | Yes, I want to bind every single IP in a /24 subnet... |
| 16:34.14 | PythonNinja | ... this may sound silly, but why? |
| 16:34.20 | hoxu | because he can? |
| 16:34.24 | PythonNinja | good point |
| 16:34.28 | SexyKen | ARIN ;-) |
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| 16:34.59 | eth01 | ARIN, don't just give you IP's ;) |
| 16:35.18 | eth01 | Also, it's RIPE - etc. |
| 16:35.23 | SexyKen | RIPE? |
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| 16:35.31 | eth01 | .. |
| 16:35.37 | whitehat | hello. is there a way to run a "mediacheck" at the boot prompt from an install CD? |
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| 16:35.57 | eth01 | whitehad, the installer checks anyway |
| 16:36.05 | eth01 | whitehat * ^ |
| 16:36.15 | SexyKen | I have a /21 and it's at about 70% usage, I need to show 80% to get my /21 from ARIN |
| 16:36.18 | d0uglas | hi ppl. what command can one type when telnetting into a webserver to get it to report its version? |
| 16:36.43 | PythonNinja | SexyKen: what is ARIN? |
| 16:36.44 | ^Timo^ | Hi |
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| 16:36.50 | whitehat | eth01: wonderful! thank you very much. |
| 16:36.53 | ^Timo^ | anyone wants to help me with dovecot |
| 16:36.53 | ^Timo^ | ? |
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| 16:37.04 | yassine | good evening everyone |
| 16:37.07 | SexyKen | Uhm-- seriously? |
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| 16:37.10 | ^Timo^ | evening |
| 16:37.10 | ^Timo^ | :) |
| 16:37.12 | SexyKen | American Registry for Internet Numbers? |
| 16:37.17 | PythonNinja | SexyKen: yup |
| 16:37.19 | SexyKen | The people who regulate IP usage... |
| 16:37.23 | SexyKen | Who distribute IPs... |
| 16:37.27 | PythonNinja | ah i see |
| 16:37.31 | SexyKen | Like ICANN for domain names but they're for IP's |
| 16:37.38 | yassine | i forgot my root pwd and im trying booting a single mode but i still get prompted to the password any idea what i could try? |
| 16:37.40 | PythonNinja | i've only had one static IP, and that was a mistake by my isp |
| 16:37.50 | PythonNinja | do they deal with v6 as well? |
| 16:37.56 | SexyKen | Yup |
| 16:38.04 | SexyKen | Much easier to get IPv6 IP's I believe. |
| 16:38.17 | eth01 | SexyKen, google ipV6 brokers. |
| 16:38.18 | PythonNinja | yup |
| 16:38.19 | dkr | yassine: boot from rescue disk, mount / rw, blank the passwd in /etc/shadow |
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| 16:38.48 | PythonNinja | eth01: i need to buy a few more IPv6 IP's actually |
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| 16:39.17 | dkr | yassine: pwd is the abbreviation for present working dir (and a command name), btw. :) |
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| 16:39.35 | PythonNinja | dkr: passwd is a command too :P |
| 16:39.38 | SexyKen | So it's not easy to bind the IP's I take it.... |
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| 16:39.46 | hoxu | yassine, edit the boot parameters and add "init=/bin/sh", that should drop you to root shell at boot |
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| 16:39.56 | PythonNinja | SexyKen: no reason why you couldn't script it. |
| 16:40.09 | yassine | Hoxu thanks let me try that one |
| 16:40.12 | petemc | SexyKen: it is |
| 16:40.13 | SexyKen | Well -- I'm no good at scripting - no experience with shell scripting here. |
| 16:40.14 | chun_ | hi all |
| 16:40.25 | petemc | for i in `seq 1 254`; do echo ip addr add 10.0.0.$i/24 dev eth0; done |
| 16:40.28 | hoxu | yassine, then you need to remount the /etc partition read-write if you want to change the password |
| 16:40.30 | petemc | something like that |
| 16:40.40 | ^Timo^ | hmm |
| 16:40.43 | ^Timo^ | can i paste here? |
| 16:40.44 | chun_ | i currently have debian lenny and would like to downgrade the kernel to the one on etch, is there a howto somewhere? |
| 16:40.45 | ^Timo^ | pastebin.ca |
| 16:40.46 | petemc | no |
| 16:40.47 | ^Timo^ | isn't working |
| 16:40.48 | ^Timo^ | ;( |
| 16:40.51 | dkr | yassine: that really sounded easier than booting from rescue disk? :) |
| 16:40.57 | petemc | ^Timo^: you need to do some reading |
| 16:41.07 | valdyn | chun_: that's not a downgrade. |
| 16:41.13 | themill | aptitude: tell ^Timo^ about paste |
| 16:41.14 | SexyKen | Timo -- try typing more than 2 words per line. |
| 16:41.18 | chun_ | valdyn: ok, i see |
| 16:41.24 | themill | aptitude: tell ^Timo^ about enter |
| 16:41.32 | valdyn | chun_: its installing a different kernel, which is for debian simply installing a different package" |
| 16:41.34 | PythonNinja | aptitude: enter |
| 16:41.35 | aptitude | The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter unecessarily makes it difficult to follow what you are saying. Consider using ',', '. ', ';', '...', '---', or ':' instead. |
| 16:41.36 | ^Timo^ | it are 2 lines |
| 16:41.37 | Ronin | aptitude: paste |
| 16:41.38 | aptitude | Do not paste more than 3 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://channels.debian.net/paste/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. |
| 16:41.42 | hoxu | &tell PythonNinja about selftell |
| 16:41.42 | ^Timo^ | but its about dovecot |
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| 16:41.46 | chun_ | valdyn: so how do i call it? i mean, i want to install the kernel that etch has instead of what comes with lenny |
| 16:41.48 | Ronin | try #dovecot? |
| 16:41.51 | ^Timo^ | yeah. |
| 16:41.52 | SexyKen | aptitude: Tell Timo about Douche |
| 16:41.53 | chun_ | valdyn: right, i see |
| 16:42.01 | PythonNinja | selftell |
| 16:42.01 | valdyn | chun_: check packages.debian.org, get it, dpkg -i it |
| 16:42.05 | PythonNinja | aptitude: selftell |
| 16:42.06 | aptitude | Please do not use the bot's !tell feature on #debian to see factoids for yourself (!tell me about something). Doing so could be considered spam. Instead, send a private message to the bot (dpkg) containing the factoid you want to read. For example, instead of "!tell me about foo", use "/msg dpkg foo". See also <msg the bot> |
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| 16:42.20 | petemc | ^Timo^: i saw what you pasted in #dovecot - whats hard to understand about that? |
| 16:42.20 | valdyn | chun_: i dont know about a minimum kernel version requirement within lenny, so this may work ok or not, i dont know |
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| 16:42.26 | themill | oh ffs... ppl.... /msg aptitude |
| 16:42.28 | hoxu | PythonNinja, stop spamming on purpose, you can /query if you want to check every single factoid |
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| 16:42.31 | chun_ | valdyn: ok, i will try |
| 16:42.39 | ^Timo^ | petemc : nothing excualy |
| 16:42.41 | ^Timo^ | but |
| 16:42.43 | ^Timo^ | how do i fix it |
| 16:42.45 | ^Timo^ | ;p |
| 16:42.49 | SexyKen | apititude: douche |
| 16:42.53 | petemc | ^Timo^: go read the dovecot wiki |
| 16:43.01 | ^Timo^ | am working on that |
| 16:43.04 | PythonNinja | hoxu: i wasn't spamming(intentionall), though it was kinda embarrasing with the selftell one at the end |
| 16:43.07 | themill | SexyKen: please lay off the bot abuse |
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| 16:43.18 | petemc | ^Timo^: no, you're here asking questions, you cant do both at the same time |
| 16:43.24 | SexyKen | My bad -- wouldn't like like abuse if I could spell correctly ;-) |
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| 16:44.31 | dkr | !tell us why you changed your name. ;) |
| 16:44.50 | SexyKen | Me? |
| 16:45.00 | dkr | dpkg -> aptitude |
| 16:45.06 | themill | dkr: dpkg isn't here. aptitude is a backup bot and doesn't have a trigger |
| 16:45.07 | Ronin | dkr: different bot |
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| 16:45.18 | dkr | although he stil refers to himself as dpkg in hi factids. :) |
| 16:45.45 | themill | dkr: that's because the factoids are just a nightly sync from dpkg |
| 16:45.47 | infinity0 | is there something which puts a "open terminal here" into the GNOME nautilus context menus? |
| 16:46.03 | dkr | themill: that follows from the first piece of info. thanks. :) |
| 16:46.17 | chun_ | valdyn: when i do aptitude search kernel, am i supposed to see a list of kernels that i can install? |
| 16:46.21 | SexyKen | Hey pete -- do you think you could help me throw together something that will work? |
| 16:46.25 | gamag | where has the dpkg bot gone??? who shut it down? who was running it? |
| 16:46.26 | SexyKen | Or is that script really safe? |
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| 16:46.35 | chun_ | valdyn: i do see quite a few, but mostly with NVIDIA |
| 16:46.42 | Nyle | aptitude: hi |
| 16:46.43 | aptitude | hola |
| 16:46.50 | chun_ | ha, wait... |
| 16:46.51 | chun_ | my bad |
| 16:47.00 | yassine | dkr im in rescue mode |
| 16:47.09 | gamag | aptitude: are you a bot? |
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| 16:47.20 | FDEHM | yup |
| 16:47.27 | Ronin | gamag: i thought that was obvious by now |
| 16:47.28 | Nyle | ~bot |
| 16:47.29 | apt | I ain't no stinkin' bot. I am a finely tuned and hand crafted tool. Oh wait... I guess I am a bot (that you should not abuse). |
| 16:47.47 | Nyle | @bot |
| 16:47.48 | ravenbird | I ain't no stinkin' bot. I am a finely tuned and hand crafted tool. Oh wait... I guess I am a bot (that you should not abuse). |
| 16:47.59 | gamag | *bot |
| 16:48.01 | Nyle | well looks like the backup bots are around |
| 16:48.04 | gamag | &bot |
| 16:48.05 | aptitude | I ain't no stinkin' bot. I am a finely tuned and hand crafted tool. Oh wait... I guess I am a bot (that you should not abuse). |
| 16:48.07 | SexyKen | !douche |
| 16:48.10 | hoxu | ... |
| 16:48.12 | gamag | (bot |
| 16:48.14 | sneex | \= |
| 16:48.15 | gamag | )bot |
| 16:48.15 | cahoot | oh so cool |
| 16:48.19 | gamag | &bot |
| 16:48.20 | aptitude | I ain't no stinkin' bot. I am a finely tuned and hand crafted tool. Oh wait... I guess I am a bot (that you should not abuse). |
| 16:48.21 | bzed | &douche |
| 16:48.22 | aptitude | i heard douche is someone who needs to relax |
| 16:48.25 | themill | please! |
| 16:48.26 | gamag | #bot |
| 16:48.27 | Ronin | enough all ready |
| 16:48.30 | dkr | SexyKen: the word douche is only amusing to 12 year olds and jon stewart. :) |
| 16:48.36 | SexyKen | aptitude: tell Nyle about douche |
| 16:48.40 | Nyle | ? |
| 16:48.45 | Nyle | grow up |
| 16:49.22 | themill | aptitude: dpkg missing is <reply> dpkg is currently missing... please use aptitude as a back-up bot for the time being and hopefully dpkg will rejoin us soon. |
| 16:49.23 | aptitude | themill: okay |
| 16:49.44 | themill | now... does someone want to stick that in /topic? |
| 16:49.45 | gamag | aptitude: dpkg |
| 16:49.46 | aptitude | methinks dpkg is the program used by debian to install and remove packages, "man dpkg". also ask me about <apt howto> |
| 16:49.54 | gamag | aptitude: dpkg missing |
| 16:49.55 | aptitude | dpkg is currently missing... please use aptitude as a back-up bot for the time being and hopefully dpkg will rejoin us soon. |
| 16:49.59 | themill | aptitude: tell gamag about msg the bot |
| 16:50.26 | SexyKen | Hey petemc: You there? |
| 16:51.07 | gamag | themill: what is the <reply> tag for? |
| 16:51.17 | Ronin | the reply |
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| 16:51.33 | SexyKen | lol - as if that wasn't self explanatory |
| 16:51.34 | SexyKen | hah |
| 16:51.58 | dkr | gamag: the default is "factoid name is blah", <reply> skips that default prefix |
| 16:52.03 | themill | gamag: because I wanted it there... if "factoid name" is "the reply" makes a sentence, then you don't need it. If it's not going to make a sentence then you need to put a <reply> take in so it comes out in english |
| 16:52.07 | azeem | themill: how about adding a note that aptitude doesn't have a trigger |
| 16:52.14 | themill | &ping |
| 16:52.15 | aptitude | pong |
| 16:52.24 | azeem | so there is, ok |
| 16:52.36 | themill | aptitude: dpkg missing is also use & as a trigger for aptitude |
| 16:52.36 | aptitude | okay, themill |
| 16:52.39 | azeem | then you could mention that |
| 16:52.40 | azeem | ok |
| 16:52.45 | azeem | &dpkg missing |
| 16:52.45 | aptitude | dpkg is currently missing... please use aptitude as a back-up bot for the time being and hopefully dpkg will rejoin us soon. use & as a trigger for aptitude |
| 16:52.47 | gamag | themill: so the syntax is: a is <reply> answer |
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| 16:53.09 | themill | azeem: there wasn't earlier... I'm not sure if that works on oftc though. stew was having trouble and it wasn't worth stressing over. |
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| 16:53.42 | themill | aptitude: dpkg missing is also (but that trigger only works on freenode not on oftc/irc.debian.org) |
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| 16:53.43 | aptitude | okay, themill |
| 16:53.47 | plb | So the kernel nfs client is throwing some nasty error message that my users are complaining about because it shows up in all of their SSH sessions and I'm not sure what is going on. You can see it here: http://pastebin.com/mc7ea5c2 |
| 16:54.23 | themill | aptitude: dpkg missing =~ s/, or// |
| 16:54.23 | aptitude | themill: OK |
| 16:55.24 | yassine | dkr: how do i find out which partition is the root partition? |
| 16:55.53 | plb | yassine: mount |
| 16:56.06 | yassine | plb im on a rescue mode |
| 16:56.09 | plb | yassine: and look for the one with the mount point as / |
| 16:56.38 | yassine | plb i'm trying to reset a lost root passwd |
| 16:56.54 | plb | yassine: you'll prolly just have to try them and see fdisk -l /dev/sd[drive letter] |
| 16:57.19 | hoxu | yassine, it's already mounted, so to remount I think you can just use "/" instead of the device? |
| 16:57.21 | yassine | okay thanks |
| 16:58.16 | SexyKen | On my debian I have no "ip" command wth |
| 16:58.22 | azeem | !installit |
| 16:58.25 | azeem | &installit |
| 16:58.26 | aptitude | *** NEWS FLASH! *** Your box does not come with every app, tool and utility known to debiankind installed already. If you find that the program you've been told to use isn't there, install it. Also ask me about <search>. if someone suggests an application to you, it's highly likely that it's available via apt-get, or aptitude |
| 16:58.27 | hoxu | SexyKen, iputils |
| 16:58.33 | SexyKen | It's in the iputils package? |
| 16:59.10 | azeem | SexyKen: /msg aptitude search |
| 16:59.27 | hoxu | SexyKen, nevermind, it's in iproute, but search yourself :P |
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| 17:00.40 | plb | Any ideas about my kernel error? http://pastebin.com/mc7ea5c2 |
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| 17:02.20 | wols_ | plb: debian kernel? |
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| 17:02.30 | chun_ | hum, when i do "aptitude search kernel-image" i don't see many avaiable kernels, even though i have put stable in my source.list, what could be the problem? |
| 17:02.50 | wols_ | chun_: which ones do you see. give an example |
| 17:02.51 | themill | chun_: are you running etch? then they're called linux-image. kernel-image was for sarge and earlier |
| 17:02.53 | azeem | chun_: it's called linux-image nowadays |
| 17:02.54 | K|NgGh0sT | Upon reboot my vg0 stopped being mounted, and when I tried to mount it I had issues, so I decided to run xfs_repair... when that happened I got superblock read failed, offset 0, size 524288, ag 0, rval -1 ... how can I fix this? |
| 17:02.56 | dkr | chun_: it's called linux now, :) |
| 17:03.00 | thelostbutler | chun_: linux-image |
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| 17:03.04 | plb | wols_ yes |
| 17:03.05 | dkr | since thre can be different kinds of kernels |
| 17:03.05 | chun_ | Ha, ok, i try it now |
| 17:03.06 | chun_ | thx |
| 17:03.17 | themill | chun_: there you go... from no answers to 10 in 5 seconds. :) |
| 17:03.19 | wols_ | plb: which one? maybe make a bugreport? |
| 17:03.37 | chun_ | ha, that's what better!;) |
| 17:03.39 | chun_ | cheers |
| 17:03.42 | wols_ | plb: or try another kernel. e.g. a backport |
| 17:03.43 | plb | wols: 2.6.22-3-686 |
| 17:03.52 | FastPutty | hi guys, in iptraf, i woud liketo know what does the P tat flashes and the A ? |
| 17:03.56 | wols_ | plb: any special reason you use that version? |
| 17:03.59 | FastPutty | mean..* |
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| 17:04.17 | plb | wols_ most recent |
| 17:04.30 | valdyn | FastPutty: rtfm |
| 17:04.31 | wols_ | plb: that's no valid reason |
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| 17:06.14 | K|NgGh0sT | Is anyone here good at repairing XFS filesystems? |
| 17:06.23 | hoxu | yassine, tried "mount -o remount,rw /" ? |
| 17:06.37 | yassine | no let me try that |
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| 17:06.45 | valdyn | K|NgGh0sT: how did you manage to break an xfs fs? |
| 17:06.53 | K|NgGh0sT | valdyn, I'm not sure |
| 17:06.56 | valdyn | K|NgGh0sT: or are you really talkign about corrupted data? |
| 17:06.59 | bzed | valdyn: not hard to break it :P |
| 17:07.10 | bzed | K|NgGh0sT: which kind of device is vg0? |
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| 17:07.17 | hoxu | !xfs |
| 17:07.21 | bzed | &xfs |
| 17:07.23 | aptitude | i guess xfs is "the filesystem developed by SGI for high-performance journalling and large disk support. see http://linux-xfs.sgi.com/projects/xfs/ or far better and more mature than <reiserfs>, but not as mature (in linux) as <ext3>. It notoriously loses data if you have unexpected power failures." |
| 17:07.27 | hoxu | ah... it's like having your right hand cut off... |
| 17:07.37 | yassine | what is the default edition shiped with debian |
| 17:07.41 | K|NgGh0sT | valdyn, my sata connection was going up and down and then I rebooted, checekd the cables, came back and my LVM wouldnt mount |
| 17:07.45 | K|NgGh0sT | bzed, LVM2 |
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| 17:08.09 | yassine | vi is not working and emacs too pico is not there too |
| 17:08.14 | hoxu | helpers on #debian are actually just a heuristic map function from questions -> bot factoids, one day we'll be replaced by a nifty algorithm... |
| 17:08.15 | valdyn | K|NgGh0sT: your WHAT didn't mount? |
| 17:08.27 | valdyn | K|NgGh0sT: i know what lvm is.. its not mountable. |
| 17:08.28 | thelostbutler | yassine: nano ? |
| 17:08.36 | yassine | ahh let me try |
| 17:08.45 | valdyn | K|NgGh0sT: precise error message pulease |
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| 17:09.16 | bzed | K|NgGh0sT: and please check if all your involved harddrives show up on boot |
| 17:09.30 | yassine | when i try nano i get error opening terminal bterm |
| 17:09.31 | DawnLight | anyone knows how to setup the swat package? it has virtually no documentation |
| 17:10.04 | hoxu | yassine, what do you need an editor for? You could just run "passwd" to change the password and reboot? |
| 17:10.05 | bzed | K|NgGh0sT: and probably check them with some specialized tool from the vendor first. if you had sata issues probably something is broken on the hardware isde |
| 17:10.05 | K|NgGh0sT | bzed, my whole system is based on LVM, and it boots, also both drives are seen on boot |
| 17:10.14 | h3sp4wn | DawnLight: You can launch it from inetd |
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| 17:10.19 | K|NgGh0sT | I only have two drives |
| 17:10.20 | bzed | K|NgGh0sT: eh, so what's the problem? |
| 17:10.30 | yassine | Hoxu command not known |
| 17:10.36 | DawnLight | h3sp4wn: so i need to read the openbsd-inetd documentation? |
| 17:10.40 | bzed | K|NgGh0sT: only one broken FS? |
| 17:10.49 | K|NgGh0sT | I have a vg0 which I normally mount to /media, but it will not mount |
| 17:11.02 | h3sp4wn | DawnLight: It should have added the swat line to /etc/inetd.conf |
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| 17:11.07 | bzed | K|NgGh0sT: vg sounds liek volume group... usually you have a lv... |
| 17:11.12 | DawnLight | h3sp4wn: it did |
| 17:11.28 | bahadunn | anyone having a problem with linux-image-2.6.22-3-686 not being able to mount root file system? |
| 17:11.32 | h3sp4wn | DawnLight: And its running ? |
| 17:11.36 | valdyn | K|NgGh0sT: no |
| 17:11.40 | bahadunn | linux-image-2.6.18-4-686 boots fine |
| 17:11.41 | DawnLight | h3sp4wn: but ps aux | grep swat doesn't return a thing |
| 17:11.49 | h3sp4wn | DawnLight: Why would it ? |
| 17:11.59 | bahadunn | custom compiled 2.6.22.x and 2.6.23.x works fine too |
| 17:12.02 | bzed | K|NgGh0sT: what's the output of lvdisplay ? |
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| 17:12.11 | DawnLight | h3sp4wn: ahm... the swat process? |
| 17:12.25 | h3sp4wn | DawnLight: Do you know what inetd does ? |
| 17:12.27 | DawnLight | h3sp4wn: i don't know what inetd is or how to use it |
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| 17:12.59 | DawnLight | h3sp4wn: /usr/share/doc/openbsd-inetd is virtually empty |
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| 17:13.04 | hoxu | yassine, you don't have /usr/bin/passwd ?? |
| 17:13.07 | K|NgGh0sT | apt-get update && apt-get install nvidia-kernel-source module-assistant nvidia-settings nvidia-xconfig |
| 17:13.08 | K|NgGh0sT | er |
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| 17:13.19 | K|NgGh0sT | LV Name /dev/vg0/media |
| 17:13.19 | K|NgGh0sT | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:13.19 | valdyn | bahadunn: your root disk could have migrated from hda to sda |
| 17:13.23 | K|NgGh0sT | it finds it |
| 17:13.42 | h3sp4wn | DawnLight: Its the internet superserver i.e it loads whatever when you connect to it (I think swat is on port 901) |
| 17:13.45 | yassine | Hoxu no such file ot directory |
| 17:13.52 | yassine | or |
| 17:14.11 | h3sp4wn | DawnLight: inetd runs so you don't have to run all the other services all the time |
| 17:14.18 | bzed | K|NgGh0sT: so what you want to mount os /dev/mapper/vg0-media |
| 17:14.21 | bzed | *is |
| 17:14.28 | bahadunn | valdyn: why would it do that? |
| 17:14.39 | bzed | K|NgGh0sT: or /dev/vg0/media, but that won;t be available at boot |
| 17:14.43 | K|NgGh0sT | yes, its already in the fstab |
| 17:14.57 | bzed | K|NgGh0sT: so what happens if you try to mount it? |
| 17:14.59 | DawnLight | h3sp4wn: do you know what the password should be for swat? and how do i set the interfaces swat binds to? |
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| 17:15.24 | h3sp4wn | DawnLight: No - I think it has to be initially configured manually |
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| 17:15.41 | DawnLight | h3sp4wn: it wasn't. i'll try dpkg-reconfigure swat |
| 17:16.01 | h3sp4wn | DawnLight: with smbpasswd etc |
| 17:16.27 | valdyn | bahadunn: it can do that if the actual driver used for that disk controller changed |
| 17:16.41 | K|NgGh0sT | slutb0x:/home/mythtv# mount -a |
| 17:16.41 | K|NgGh0sT | mount: /dev/mapper/vg0-media: can't read superblock |
| 17:16.44 | bahadunn | valdyn: ok I will try changing it |
| 17:16.48 | DawnLight | h3sp4wn: the password swat uses is configured though samba's interfaces? |
| 17:17.06 | devicenu1l | hey.. the dpkg bot seems down, what can I do when aptitude is complaining about an invalid key |
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| 17:17.54 | bzed | K|NgGh0sT: sounds like you want to run xfs_repair on /dev/mapper/vg0-media |
| 17:17.56 | valdyn | K|NgGh0sT: why dont you restore from backup? |
| 17:18.14 | dkr | devicenu1l: get the new updated key. :) |
| 17:18.16 | K|NgGh0sT | bzed, thats where I get the problem I came in with ;) |
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| 17:18.44 | K|NgGh0sT | xfs_repair... superblock read failed, offset 0, size 524288, ag 0, rval -1 ... how can I fix this? |
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| 17:19.01 | K|NgGh0sT | valdyn, actually when I was rebooting I was in the midst of making one, so I havent one |
| 17:19.04 | FLUxXxX | hello! is there a way of seeing if a package is installed? something like on Fedora: rpm -qa | grep package-name |
| 17:19.14 | valdyn | K|NgGh0sT: you can feed it a backup of that superblock. I dont know where they are located for xfs, see the manpage |
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| 17:19.36 | themill | FLUxXxX: dpkg -l |
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| 17:20.13 | themill | FLUxXxX: so dpkg -l packagename or dpkg -l packagename* or apt-cache policy packagename can all work for you |
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| 17:20.36 | jelly-home | themill: unescaped * won't work |
| 17:20.41 | themill | &nickometer FLUxXxX |
| 17:20.42 | aptitude | 'FLUxXxX' is 82.000% lame, themill |
| 17:20.47 | bzed | K|NgGh0sT: that sounds like a broken disk geometry, or broken hardware. I could imagine that xfs_repair could live without the superblock and happily recreate it if possible... but that's nothing I know anything about. you want to read the manpages of xfs_*, or probably just check your disks, and replay the backup on an ext3 device |
| 17:20.56 | themill | jelly-home: it will if there are no files in that directory that match the * :) |
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| 17:21.08 | jelly-home | themill: nope, it won't |
| 17:21.26 | DawnLight | hey, i want my nick tested also |
| 17:21.30 | solid_liq | anyone know of something I can use to create a debian mirror, which only stores and updates the files that have ever been used (and add ones as they're used)? Can apt-mirror or debmirror do this, or can something else? |
| 17:21.43 | bahadunn | weird |
| 17:21.49 | themill | jelly-home: dpkg -l apache2* works like a treat for me (/bin/bash) |
| 17:21.59 | devicenu1l | lol, this is less then helpful.. apt-get update tells me to run apt-get update again |
| 17:22.06 | tralala | DawnLight, test it yourself (in /msg) |
| 17:22.07 | jelly-home | themill: that's a bashism |
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| 17:22.16 | devicenu1l | I installed the key from ftp-master.debian.org, but it didnt fix the problem |
| 17:22.25 | zarqman | solid_liq: i've used apt-proxy in the past.... it met my needs at the time |
| 17:22.26 | phenom | Any resident locksmiths in the house know if bypassing m cylinders have been published? |
| 17:22.39 | themill | jelly-home: you sure? * is only expanded if there is something to expand... |
| 17:22.42 | tralala | unescaped * works as long as bash is not able to expand it |
| 17:22.43 | solid_liq | zarqman, oh cool, the name of it sounds like what I want, thanks! |
| 17:22.47 | valdyn | K|NgGh0sT: and particularily the part about "Corrupted Superblocks" |
| 17:22.50 | themill | jelly-home: works with /bin/sh too |
| 17:22.58 | jelly-home | themill: dash? posh? |
| 17:23.11 | themill | jelly-home: works for dash |
| 17:24.02 | themill | jelly-home: if there were a file in that dir called apache2bollox then it would fail, but if there's nothing for * to expand into, then * is passed to the program in argv[]. |
| 17:24.11 | jelly-home | themill: you're right, I'm wrong |
| 17:24.27 | themill | aptitude: pony jelly-home |
| 17:24.45 | themill | jelly-home: does that make it better? |
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| 17:25.13 | jelly-home | themill: no, should it have? |
| 17:25.44 | K|NgGh0sT | I am getting this error in my syslog... |
| 17:25.46 | jelly-home | themill: thankfully noone ever died of being wrong |
| 17:25.49 | K|NgGh0sT | Dec 5 12:21:51 slutb0x kernel: ata1.00: exception Emask 0x0 SAct 0x0 SErr 0x0 $ |
| 17:25.49 | K|NgGh0sT | Dec 5 12:21:51 slutb0x kernel: ata1.00: (BMDMA2 stat 0x787c8009) |
| 17:25.54 | themill | jelly-home: heh ;) |
| 17:26.57 | tralala | jelly-home, that's not quite true |
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| 17:28.07 | K|NgGh0sT | bzed, valdyn, thanks for the help though |
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| 17:28.07 | K|NgGh0sT | bzed, what do you mean replay the backup on an ext3 device? |
| 17:28.23 | RedShift | is there a way to remove all the packages that are not part of the "base" group? |
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| 17:29.29 | RedShift | K|NgGh0sT: could be a hardware issue, are there other related messages? |
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| 17:29.44 | bzed | K|NgGh0sT: I mean: replace the xfs by ext3, which is much more stable - you don;t need xfs at home, you don't have several thousand TB in your storage |
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| 17:30.32 | K|NgGh0sT | I wanna recover this data first, if I can |
| 17:30.37 | K|NgGh0sT | even a portion of it |
| 17:30.55 | maxamillion | any word of kde4 making its way into the sid branch around the time of their official release? |
| 17:30.58 | K|NgGh0sT | RedShift, I'm going to reboot and take a look |
| 17:31.06 | bzed | maxamillion: outlook: bad |
| 17:31.29 | bzed | K|NgGh0sT: did you update your kernel recently? |
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| 17:31.41 | maxamillion | bzed: fair enough ... just noticed it was being worked on in experimental and was curious .... i'm interested to see what it has to offer |
| 17:32.14 | bzed | maxamillion: 4.0 is supposed to be released in january, but usually it's not useable before 4.1 ;) |
| 17:32.29 | bzed | so I doubt 4.1 will be released before testing will be frozen |
| 17:32.42 | RedShift | yeah KDE 4 is going to have a hard time getting traction in the beginning |
| 17:32.45 | maxamillion | bzed: no no, i mean in the sid branch... i run sid |
| 17:32.51 | maxamillion | bah ... sorry, gotta run |
| 17:32.57 | RedShift | right now kde 3.5 is a very polished release, it will be hard to beat |
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| 17:36.12 | K|NgGh0sT | Dec 5 12:04:39 slutb0x kernel: ata1.00: (BMDMA2 stat 0x787c8009) |
| 17:36.12 | K|NgGh0sT | Dec 5 12:04:39 slutb0x kernel: ata1.00: cmd 25/00:ff:58:00:26/00:03:03:00:00/e0 tag 0 cdb 0x0 data 523776 in |
| 17:36.12 | K|NgGh0sT | Dec 5 12:04:39 slutb0x kernel: res 51/40:ff:9c:00:26/00:03:03:00:00/e0 Emask 0x9 (media error) |
| 17:36.35 | K|NgGh0sT | Thats the only info I can find that could have anything to do with this |
| 17:36.39 | jred184 | can someone help me with an audio issue? |
| 17:36.53 | RedShift | K|NgGh0sT: is that on a server or something? |
| 17:37.07 | cast__ | jred184: ask. |
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| 17:37.30 | jred184 | I just installed debian, but I have no audio at all |
| 17:37.45 | mbroeker | jred184, try alsamixer |
| 17:37.45 | K|NgGh0sT | RedShift, this is just my HTPC box |
| 17:37.46 | jred184 | I am using a sigmatel HDA card |
| 17:37.47 | RedShift | jred184: did you up the volumes with alsamixer? |
| 17:37.48 | tralala | &alsa checklist |
| 17:37.49 | aptitude | well, alsa-checklist is 1) run alsaconf as root user 2) add your user to the 'audio' group (log out and log again in) 3) use alsamixer and make sure levels are up and it is unmuted 4) arts or esound stopped? 5) OSS modules unloaded? 6) speakers on? 7) modprobe snd-pcm-oss 8) does `cat /dev/urandom > /dev/dsp` work for root? |
| 17:37.51 | jred184 | yes |
| 17:38.00 | RedShift | K|NgGh0sT: run smartmontools and analyze your harddisk for defects |
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| 17:39.07 | adrian15 | Could anyone tell me which it is the substitute package for the raidtools or raidtools2 package ? Thank you. |
| 17:39.17 | adrian15 | I am using SID. |
| 17:39.40 | RedShift | adrian15: mdadm |
| 17:39.45 | sneex | Any update know about when the weekly builds are coming back? |
| 17:39.51 | cahoot | jred184: run speaker-test in a term - noise or error? |
| 17:39.53 | sneex | s/know/known/ |
| 17:39.56 | adrian15 | RedShift: thank you very much. |
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| 17:40.43 | RedShift | adrian15: what address can I send the invoice? ;-) |
| 17:41.30 | adrian15 | RedShift: An Invoice is a paper where you tell me how much to pay? like a receipt ? No thank you. ;) |
| 17:42.29 | RedShift | receipt is evidence you payed |
| 17:42.52 | RedShift | an invoice is a document which reaps your sould in favor of the one sending the invoice |
| 17:43.38 | adrian15 | RedShift: ??? Like the Demon? |
| 17:44.18 | RedShift | demon, devil, 666, corporation, whatever you like to call it |
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| 17:45.54 | RedShift | adrian15: you know I'm joking right... |
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| 17:46.47 | jred184 | nope |
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| 17:47.39 | jred184 | <cahoot> no audio when I ran speaker-test |
| 17:47.50 | cahoot | no error? |
| 17:47.53 | jred184 | nope |
| 17:47.55 | adrian15 | RedShift: I am Spanish and I suppose you are joking. I suppose that an invoice is a "factura". |
| 17:48.18 | jelly-home | adrian15: correctamundo! |
| 17:48.26 | RedShift | adrian15: yes |
| 17:48.35 | cahoot | jred184: is it a snd-hda-intel thing? cat /proc/asound/modules |
| 17:48.56 | tralala | jred184, is the mixer unmuted? |
| 17:49.10 | jred184 | I get "0 snd_hda_intel" |
| 17:49.18 | K|NgGh0sT | smartctl -t offline takes 40 mins? |
| 17:49.20 | jred184 | mixer is unmuted |
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| 17:49.32 | jthd | how do I determine which release I am using? |
| 17:49.48 | jthd | uname -a doesn't tell me as far as i can tell |
| 17:49.53 | tralala | jthd, cat /etc/debian_version |
| 17:49.53 | jelly-home | ~version |
| 17:49.54 | apt | from memory, version is Kernel: uname -r. Debian: cat /etc/debian_version. and: dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1. Package: dpkg -l _pkgname_. Miscellaneous: try --version on the command. check /etc/apt/sources.list; run apt-cache policy <packagename>, or lsb_release -d |
| 17:50.04 | jthd | thank you |
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| 17:50.34 | cahoot | jred184: if it is like you say chances are you need a 'newer' alsaversion |
| 17:50.55 | jred184 | figures |
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| 17:51.38 | cahoot | jred184: onboard device in a laptop? |
| 17:51.44 | jred184 | yes |
| 17:51.58 | jred184 | dell inspiron 1720 |
| 17:52.05 | jthd | will it change the release after I do apt-get dist-upgrade ? |
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| 17:52.55 | jelly-home | jthd: are you trying to upgrade from an older release? |
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| 17:53.07 | jthd | In fact, I have installed debian via Knoppix |
| 17:53.16 | Ronin | jthd: ack |
| 17:53.17 | jthd | but I want to update it completely |
| 17:53.20 | jthd | ;) |
| 17:53.26 | jelly-home | jthd: eh, best to reinstall |
| 17:53.43 | Ronin | jthd: get a debian cd and reinstall would be best |
| 17:54.06 | jthd | Won't dpkg/apt handle it well? |
| 17:54.24 | Ronin | jthd: well your not actually running debian so.. |
| 17:54.33 | tralala | jthd, knoppix is not debian version - it's a debian clone (in a way) |
| 17:54.44 | jthd | knoppix has the option to install - 'as a debian system' |
| 17:54.54 | jthd | but *shrug* |
| 17:54.59 | jelly-home | jthd: Inplace upgrades from other distros are definitely not supported. |
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| 17:55.35 | DawnLight | my date doesn't get updated by the ntp daemon i am running a local ntp server. when i run 'ntpdate <server>' it tells me "1 Jan 04:54:35 ntpdate[10677]: the NTP socket is in use, exiting" |
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| 17:55.45 | cahoot | jred184: lspci -n | grep `lspci | grep -i audio | awk '{print $1}'` returns 8086:284b? |
| 17:56.05 | kenjy | I can't decompres a zip file on debian :S it show gzip: GeoIPCountryCSV.zip: unknown suffix -- ignored |
| 17:56.17 | Ronin | kenjy: man unzip |
| 17:56.20 | abrotman | kenjy: you want 'unzip' |
| 17:56.21 | kenjy | I just did gunzip file.zip but it don't work, then I did gunzip -d file.zip |
| 17:56.43 | abrotman | kenjy: file file.zip .. it's like a zip not gzip |
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| 17:56.46 | jred184 | <cahoot> 00:1b.0 0403: 8086:284b (rev 02) |
| 17:56.54 | kenjy | root@filiales:/root/GeoIP/db# gunzip -d *.zip |
| 17:56.54 | kenjy | gunzip: GeoIPCountryCSV.zip: unknown suffix -- ignored |
| 17:56.54 | kenjy | gunzip: GeoLiteCity_20071101.zip: unknown suffix -- ignored |
| 17:57.09 | azeem | kenjy: do you actually read what we write? |
| 17:57.12 | tralala | kenjy, .zip is not a gzip archive |
| 17:57.16 | Ronin | kenjy: its not a gzip file |
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| 17:58.20 | cahoot | jred184: you need a newer alsa |
| 17:58.30 | superpigs | is there debian chats for swedish people pls? |
| 17:58.34 | abrotman | !se |
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| 17:58.38 | abrotman | argh |
| 17:58.40 | abrotman | &se |
| 17:58.40 | aptitude | se is probably Svensktalande debian-användare hittar du i #debian.se på FreeNode (irc.freenode.net). |
| 17:58.44 | superpigs | abrotman tack |
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| 17:59.05 | jred184 | <cahoot> what is going to be the easiest way to install a newer version? |
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| 17:59.43 | cahoot | jred184: I took the src from alsa-openscr.org and compiled/installed |
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| 18:00.34 | jred184 | ok |
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| 18:02.15 | jred184 | thanks for the help |
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| 18:04.36 | sh0wt1me | can anyone recommend etch sources ? |
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| 18:04.55 | mXr | the debian ones are considered okay by many |
| 18:05.07 | sh0wt1me | sweet |
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| 18:05.17 | tralala | sh0wt1me, http://www.us.debian.org/mirrors/ |
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| 18:09.18 | daya | how do i use apt-ftparchive to create debian repo, |
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| 18:10.58 | mib_force | hm, i'm wondering if there are any security patches for the 2.6.x kernel branch.i know grsec and openwall as the most popular, but they just support 2.2.x and 2.4.x |
| 18:11.04 | mib_force | can anyone help? |
| 18:11.13 | aurel42 | Hi there, I have different devices that are supposed to do the same things, but I want them to be loaded in a different order. DVB-S cards and DVB-T USB box, I want the USB box to be loaded as the last device (with the highest ID) so the device numbers don't change when I boot with or without the box. How would I do that? |
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| 18:11.45 | tralala | mib_force, selinux (in debian) |
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| 18:12.47 | mib_force | tralala: hm, hasn't to be debian |
| 18:13.04 | tralala | in #debian it has |
| 18:13.05 | mib_force | i know i'm on #debian here, but i'd rather prefer to create my kernels on my own |
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| 18:13.09 | koolhead17 | hi all |
| 18:13.37 | tralala | mib_force, selinux is part of linux 2.6 iinm |
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| 18:15.57 | mib_force | tralala: hm |
| 18:16.31 | mbroeker | i have a strange problem with my proftp server: people using internet explorer cannot connect to my machine. all others can. |
| 18:16.34 | aurel42 | Perhaps I can tell udevd somehow not to automagically load a driver for a USB device somehow? |
| 18:16.50 | wols_ | @blacklist |
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| 18:16.57 | tralala | mbroeker, this doesn't sound like a problem with your server |
| 18:17.30 | hoxu | mbroeker, when dealing with MSIE, reserve at minimum 20% of time coming up with workarounds for its bugs |
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| 18:18.00 | mbroeker | tralala, yes, ie5.5 is very old and the girl who uses it, cannot update. |
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| 18:18.13 | aurel42 | wols_: in /etc/modprobe.d? |
| 18:18.49 | wols_ | and the initrd |
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| 18:19.11 | aurel42 | wols: No initrd here, thanks, I'll try that. |
| 18:19.12 | wols_ | <aptitude> In etch, lenny and sid, create/edit /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist.local and add a line similar to this (without quotes): "blacklist module_name". IMPORTANT: ask about <blacklist-initramfs>. For sarge ask me about <blacklist sarge>. To blacklist a module at installation time, ask me about <installer blacklist>. |
| 18:19.23 | hoxu | mbroeker, I'd suggest googling for a workaround first, next easiest choice is to probably have her install another browser or ftp client...? |
| 18:20.19 | Eclipser | anyone know if there's a nice way of taking a screenshot of my X with two screens (no xinerame/twinview)? |
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| 18:20.33 | mbroeker | hoxu, thats the easiest way for me: But she believes that !! "LINUX is the oldest software-programme" !! and firefox is a virus. |
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| 18:21.15 | hoxu | mbroeker, I don't think #debian is the right place to look for help curing retarded people |
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| 18:21.24 | tralala | mbroeker, then perhaps it is for the better that she cannot use your ftp server |
| 18:21.48 | tls_81 | hi where can I find a channel that knows about dual head monitors setups just general hardware talk not Cofig... |
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| 18:22.01 | tls_81 | *config |
| 18:22.07 | superpigs | could someone here help me with some java issues i have? so i dl the java runtime. upkacked it. installed it. still it seems my os thinks i use the old version. what to do? |
| 18:22.18 | aurel42 | wols_: works, thanks muchly! :) |
| 18:22.39 | tralala | superpigs, which OS? |
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| 18:22.52 | superpigs | tralala im on debian |
| 18:22.58 | hoxu | hrhrhr |
| 18:23.15 | tralala | superpigs, which debian? |
| 18:23.16 | mbroeker | well, some people follow the market. Software for less than 100$ must be bad. I know, i need to change my circle of friends... |
| 18:23.16 | hoxu | superpigs, try setting JAVA_HOME properly and make sure the one in path is the correct one, if that does not help... try ##java? |
| 18:23.22 | superpigs | tralala you want to know kernel version? |
| 18:23.43 | superpigs | hoxu how? |
| 18:23.44 | tralala | superpigs, no, the debian version - etch/lenny/sid |
| 18:23.47 | themill | aptitude: tell superpigs about install java |
| 18:24.09 | themill | superpigs: there's no need to go through these extra steps, sun java is already in debian |
| 18:24.29 | hoxu | mbroeker, offtopic, apologies, but see this one: http://www.sinner.se/wp-content/2007/05/retards.jpg (also, if I were you, I'd give up thinking about getting IE 5.5 to work and think about another solution instead) |
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| 18:24.54 | superpigs | Debian-2.0.0.6+2.0.0.8-0etch1) |
| 18:25.17 | PiousMinion | Anyone know how I can determine the chipset of my wireless adapter? It's a no-name brand pcmcia card that uses the hostap driver. |
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| 18:25.23 | Ronin | mbroeker: teach them how to use a real ftp client? |
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| 18:25.48 | elmo40 | PiousMinion: try lspcmcia |
| 18:25.56 | mbroeker | Ronin, she is a n00b and feels like a webcam queen. |
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| 18:26.16 | themill | aptitude: tell PiousMinion about whats my wireless |
| 18:26.31 | mbroeker | anyway offtopic. proftp doesnt support ie5 with my settings. basta |
| 18:26.33 | tralala | mbroeker, this story is getting uglier by the minute |
| 18:26.47 | Ronin | mbroeker: other option is say ie 5.5 is full of security issues and as such you cant allow connections to it :) |
| 18:26.57 | Ronin | not untrue either |
| 18:27.09 | elmo40 | mbroeker: lol, shitty deal. People should upgrade anyways. |
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| 18:27.22 | hoxu | elmo40, yeah, to debian... |
| 18:27.36 | elmo40 | at least ff/opera/safari... |
| 18:27.47 | elmo40 | or use filezilla ;) |
| 18:27.48 | superpigs | tralala Debian GNU/Linux 4.0 "Etch" is what i use |
| 18:28.00 | tralala | superpigs, /msg aptitude install java |
| 18:28.13 | superpigs | tralala k |
| 18:28.28 | elmo40 | tralala: singing xmas charols? |
| 18:28.56 | tralala | elmo40, all year long |
| 18:30.00 | superpigs | um im trying to install freenet by doing 'java jar <app>.jar' but it aint working |
| 18:30.08 | superpigs | :( |
| 18:30.16 | hoxu | superpigs, -jar |
| 18:30.38 | superpigs | oy vey |
| 18:30.44 | superpigs | lol |
| 18:30.55 | tralala | no lol |
| 18:31.51 | elmo40 | freenet? |
| 18:32.06 | Ronin | game isnt it? |
| 18:32.32 | tralala | &freenet |
| 18:32.32 | aptitude | freenet is, like, a completely decentralized, totally secure peer-to-peer network with anonymity. client written in java. days of free speech are here! see http://www.freenetproject.org |
| 18:32.58 | superpigs | hmm ok now it works! :D |
| 18:32.58 | elmo40 | purpous? |
| 18:33.15 | themill | No, dolphin. |
| 18:33.24 | superpigs | hoxu thanks u sir |
| 18:33.32 | themill | (sorry, elmo40, couldn't resist) |
| 18:33.51 | elmo40 | themill: O_o |
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| 18:35.32 | marckie | hi. is there a way to use awk or cut so i can print the second to the last column, without knowing the total number of columns since it is variable? |
| 18:35.43 | superpigs | elmo40 what u want purpose freenet? |
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| 18:36.23 | jthd | a regular expression |
| 18:36.28 | jthd | greedy |
| 18:36.49 | mbroeker | well operation grand slam: I go to miss Galore and check her damn pc. brb |
| 18:36.53 | jthd | match everything, then what you want, then whitespace, then more data |
| 18:36.58 | xingu | marckie: awk '{ print $(NF - 1) }' |
| 18:36.59 | themill | or a non-greedy regexp bound to the end of line |
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| 18:37.03 | jthd | or. |
| 18:37.08 | elmo40 | superpigs: what do you use freenet for? what is the purpous? |
| 18:37.08 | jthd | :/ |
| 18:37.23 | marckie | thanks xingu |
| 18:37.25 | marckie | :) |
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| 18:37.45 | karsten | marckie: awk '{print $(NF-2)}' |
| 18:37.53 | tralala | elmo40, it's p2p software - for transfering alledgedly copyrighted materials |
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| 18:37.57 | marckie | thanks karsten |
| 18:38.02 | karsten | marckie: ... or -1, or whatever. |
| 18:38.03 | Ronin | elmo40: warez :) |
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| 18:38.11 | Seivan| | Ehm How do I get to see my own Ip adress ? |
| 18:38.16 | superpigs | elmo40 free speeetech |
| 18:38.19 | K|NgGh0sT | ifconfig |
| 18:38.25 | themill | &whats my ip |
| 18:38.29 | Seivan| | K|NgGh0sT: doesnt work |
| 18:38.36 | superpigs | seivan ./dns <nick> |
| 18:38.44 | superpigs | your nick |
| 18:38.49 | superpigs | forget ifconfig |
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| 18:39.31 | themill | & myip |
| 18:39.32 | aptitude | To get your ip: /sbin/ifconfig eth0 | grep "inet addr" | sed -e 's/^.*inet addr://' -e 's/ .*$//', or ifconfig eth0 | awk '/inet addr:/{sub\"addr:",""\;print $2}', or hostname -i, or "ip a s eth0 | grep inet | cut -d' ' -f6", or /sbin/ifconfig eth0|perl -ne 'if /addr:s*d+.\d+\.\d+\.\d+/ {print qq|$1n|}', or wget -O- checkip.dyndns.org 2>/dev/null|perl -pe 's/.+Address:\ [\d\.]+<.+/$1/;' |
| 18:39.35 | themill | aptitude: thanks |
| 18:39.36 | aptitude | themill: no worries |
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| 18:39.45 | themill | Seivan|: ^^ |
| 18:39.48 | jthd | if you are within a nat |
| 18:39.54 | jthd | you need ttoo connect out |
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| 18:40.31 | elmo40 | superpigs: torrents are not good enough? unethical irc channels with warez bots not good enough? |
| 18:40.41 | elmo40 | just never used it, thats all. |
| 18:40.47 | themill | the last one of aptitude's suggestions will tell you your public ip if you're behind a nat. |
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| 18:41.30 | superpigs | elmo40 whaat u say to me? |
| 18:41.32 | superpigs | :( |
| 18:41.35 | jthd | ic |
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| 18:41.50 | superpigs | elmo40 not attack me i nice person |
| 18:41.55 | themill | Or you can just visit http://www.hostip.info/ |
| 18:41.58 | elmo40 | superpigs: i am asking questions. i dont know the reason. and i do not attack anyone. |
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| 18:42.14 | superpigs | elmo40 ok thanks not attack me |
| 18:42.18 | elmo40 | superpigs: what is speetech? |
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| 18:42.33 | superpigs | elmo40 speech sorry |
| 18:42.39 | Seivan| | Ehm could someone help me, I have done a netinstall of Debian, going to make it a server, however I sometimes need to be able to see (just not SSH), what should I do to get X like VNC |
| 18:42.43 | Seivan| | Sorry let me rephrase that |
| 18:42.56 | Seivan| | Is there a way I could see my desktop computer, without having X to start? |
| 18:43.04 | Seivan| | Through a windows client |
| 18:43.05 | elmo40 | no. |
| 18:43.17 | elmo40 | how could you? if nothing is started, then what is there to see? |
| 18:43.30 | themill | Seivan|: just forward an X connection through ssh using ssh -X. You can use an xserver for windows -- there are a number of free ones available. |
| 18:43.45 | Seivan| | themill: I'm sorry I know about VNC but I'm not so sure about SSH |
| 18:43.51 | tralala | Seivan|, "see" your computer? |
| 18:44.01 | Seivan| | The thing is i dont want X to run when I'm not logged in through my windows klient |
| 18:44.05 | Seivan| | using valuable memory and etc. |
| 18:44.06 | xingu | hmm, that hint could use a little work, for instance: ip -family inet -oneline address show scope global |
| 18:44.10 | Ronin | Seivan|: what do you mean by see your computer |
| 18:44.20 | themill | Seivan|: You can run individual applications on the server then and you will see their GUI through the X connection and then displayed on your local machine. X doesn't run at all on the server that way. |
| 18:44.24 | themill | Ronin: use GUI apps. |
| 18:44.38 | Seivan| | themill: huh? |
| 18:44.41 | Seivan| | What about VNC |
| 18:44.48 | Ronin | so x forwarding is all? |
| 18:44.50 | Seivan| | is there a way to see my desktop with that? |
| 18:44.59 | Seivan| | themill: you have confused me |
| 18:45.02 | tralala | Seivan|, you can run vncserver anytime |
| 18:45.08 | Seivan| | .........beh |
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| 18:45.13 | Seivan| | Look |
| 18:45.18 | themill | Seivan|: X-forwarding is easier to do or you can run the vncserver when you want. |
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| 18:45.47 | Seivan| | I got a server, withouth a screen, just a server. I can SSH into it. Now I want to be ABLE to surf on my server. How do I do that? |
| 18:45.57 | Seivan| | surf and download torrent |
| 18:46.01 | elmo40 | themill: how do you start a gui app withought gui, yet use X through ssh to view them? That sounds bloody aswome. Any sites to show us how? I wouldnt even know how to google that request. |
| 18:46.03 | _Sam-- | hi, how can i make my startup ulimit -c unlimited when it is starting processes at boot |
| 18:46.12 | superpigs | sevian ssh .> proxy ? |
| 18:46.15 | tralala | Seivan|, with vncserver or X11 forwarding |
| 18:46.24 | Ronin | x11 forwarding |
| 18:46.24 | Seivan| | tralala: how does VNCserver work? |
| 18:46.25 | themill | Seivan|: I have a server that doesn't even have a kb & mouse let alone a screen or X installed. I just ssh -X server gui_command. |
| 18:46.30 | superpigs | sevian what is port for ssh? u can use this for proxy |
| 18:46.39 | Seivan| | themill: does that work with Putty ? |
| 18:46.57 | tralala | Seivan|, it does |
| 18:46.58 | elmo40 | putty should handle X |
| 18:47.04 | Seivan| | tralala: how do I do it then? |
| 18:47.08 | Ronin | it works with putty |
| 18:47.11 | tralala | however it requires you to install an X server for windows |
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| 18:47.15 | Ronin | im doing it now as a matter of fact |
| 18:47.15 | themill | Seivan|: X-forwarding works with putty too, but you need to install an x-server on your local machine. There are a number of free X servers for windows. |
| 18:47.18 | Seivan| | tralala: no need then |
| 18:47.24 | Seivan| | themill: no I dont want that |
| 18:47.29 | Seivan| | themill: lets try vnc instead |
| 18:47.37 | Ronin | Seivan|: better yet learn cmd line |
| 18:47.38 | Seivan| | themill: I want the VNCserver to be running (but I heard it's not so secure= |
| 18:47.38 | tralala | in this case install a vncserver |
| 18:48.02 | Seivan| | tralala: yeah but I've heard that alot of people get brute forced in on their servers with vnc and stuff |
| 18:48.11 | xingu | or freenx |
| 18:48.18 | epsilon | x forwarding is pain in the ass if the remote box is not in LAN |
| 18:48.24 | themill | Seivan|: I'd still tunnel vnc through ssh if I were you. |
| 18:48.27 | Ronin | Seivan|: so either install a free x server for windows or learn to do it cmd line stile |
| 18:48.29 | themill | epsilon: ? |
| 18:48.37 | Seivan| | Ronin: no thanks |
| 18:48.40 | elmo40 | themill: so, if I have a box, no Xorg installed (but all the libs necessary) i can ssh -X into it, then run a GUI command (ex: pidgin/firefox/network-admin) it will run on the remote machine? What 'draws' it? |
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| 18:48.52 | tralala | Seivan|, run it over a vpn or ssh tunel if you're concerned about security |
| 18:48.53 | elmo40 | ok, local x-server... :/ |
| 18:49.01 | Seivan| | themill: what, that i should go through putty first, then when I'm inside the server i do |
| 18:49.11 | Seivan| | tralala: if i install VNcserver, do I need to install X and gnome? |
| 18:49.14 | epsilon | Seivan|: you want vnc tunneled via SSH. Not x-forwarding. |
| 18:49.35 | epsilon | (or VPN) |
| 18:49.42 | tralala | Seivan|, you don't need to install X and gnome is optional (i.e. if you want it) |
| 18:49.44 | themill | elmo40: yep. xlibs sends x-calls to your ssh client and they are passed on to your local X server |
| 18:50.00 | Seivan| | tralala: but if I dont got X, how can I see my desktop? |
| 18:50.07 | Ronin | ack |
| 18:50.20 | Ronin | themill: and one not reading or understanding |
| 18:50.20 | tralala | the vncserver is going to take care of that |
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| 18:50.30 | Seivan| | tralala: okay, why is gnome optional then? |
| 18:50.43 | themill | Ronin: more than one... |
| 18:51.01 | Seivan| | themill: then just apt-get install vncserver? |
| 18:51.15 | tralala | Seivan|, gnome is up to you - if you want it, install it |
| 18:51.36 | xingu | freenx supports ssl ... |
| 18:51.58 | Seivan| | tralala: but I mean I cant see my computer without gnome/KDE/xfce, how can it be optional?= |
| 18:52.07 | Seivan| | themill: tightvnc or vncserver |
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| 18:52.43 | tralala | xingu, are you willing to walk him through ssl setup? |
| 18:52.59 | xingu | tralala: I'm not even willing to talk him through freenx setup. :) |
| 18:53.10 | xingu | tralala: fortunately google exists |
| 18:53.49 | Seivan| | tralala: I got an error |
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| 18:53.55 | Seivan| | fatal error cant find font |
| 18:53.59 | Seivan| | "fixed" |
| 18:54.03 | Seivan| | when I ran tightvncserver |
| 18:54.31 | tralala | &fixed |
| 18:54.32 | aptitude | hmm... fixed font is if X is complaining about "finding font 'fixed'" you don't have the xfonts-base package. usually this means you want to "aptitude install xorg" |
| 18:54.49 | Seivan| | but you said I dont need to install xorg |
| 18:54.56 | elmo40 | themill: so, if i have an X server already on my local machine, and want ot ssh -X into the remote machine, it will run an X client no problem? |
| 18:55.09 | tralala | Seivan|, yes |
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| 18:55.33 | tralala | that's why it says "usually" |
| 18:55.35 | Seivan| | God damn it |
| 18:55.37 | Seivan| | tralala: stop confusing me |
| 18:55.41 | Seivan| | I just want to see my god damn desktop |
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| 18:55.48 | Ronin | calm down Seivan| |
| 18:55.52 | Seivan| | ... |
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| 18:56.43 | Seivan| | anyway |
| 18:56.46 | Ronin | Seivan|: if you arent running x what desktop is there to see in the first place? |
| 18:56.48 | Seivan| | I installed tightvncserver |
| 18:56.54 | tralala | Seivan|, what you're trying to achieve is non-trivial. You on the other hand are missing plenty of basics, I don't think it's me who's confusing you |
| 18:57.11 | Seivan| | Anyway I installed tightvncserver, I want to configure what port to run on, how do I do that? |
| 18:57.24 | elmo40 | Ronin: my question exactly. |
| 18:57.38 | Ronin | Seivan|: read the manual on tightvnc |
| 18:57.40 | themill | elmo40: yes. that's right. when you log in with ssh -X, you'll have $DISPLAY=:10.0 set on the remote machine and it all just works very nicely. I use it often. |
| 18:57.54 | elmo40 | good to know |
| 18:57.54 | superpigs | tralala if he miss the basics then stop confusing the discussion if you are not going to put in anything of value then |
| 18:57.57 | elmo40 | i will try it soon ! |
| 18:57.58 | themill | ciao! |
| 18:58.08 | superpigs | tralala are you elite or what? |
| 18:58.09 | superpigs | lol |
| 18:58.15 | tralala | no lol |
| 18:58.20 | superpigs | no no lol |
| 18:58.31 | Ronin | like being on aol today i swear |
| 18:58.37 | Seivan| | crap |
| 18:58.40 | Seivan| | I got like 2 now |
| 18:58.42 | Seivan| | ... |
| 18:58.45 | wols_ | Ronin: it's like any day |
| 18:58.48 | koolhead17 | heh |
| 18:58.51 | superpigs | ronin yeah its so amazing |
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| 18:58.56 | Seivan| | So How do I remove all tightvncservers and just use ONE |
| 18:58.58 | tralala | &sing sunday |
| 18:58.59 | aptitude | Everyday is like sunday... Everyday the tards come to play... |
| 18:58.59 | superpigs | sheesh |
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| 18:59.44 | tralala | Seivan|, man aptitude |
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| 19:00.10 | Seivan| | tralala: No I dont want to remove it, it saids there are three VNC server up |
| 19:00.10 | Seivan| | ... |
| 19:00.12 | Seivan| | omg |
| 19:00.19 | Seivan| | I just want to remove the other two |
| 19:00.30 | elmo40 | kill -9 <pid> |
| 19:00.53 | Seivan| | elmo40: argument must be... |
| 19:00.53 | tralala | -9 is extreme |
| 19:00.58 | RedShift | hey anyone got experience installing swsoft's plesk on debian servers? |
| 19:01.11 | elmo40 | tralala: gets the job done... BY FORCE ;) |
| 19:01.19 | RedShift | the pleks installer stops with " |
| 19:01.19 | RedShift | E: Broken packages |
| 19:01.19 | RedShift | ERROR: Unable to install packages because of package dependency problems. |
| 19:01.20 | RedShift | " |
| 19:01.23 | RedShift | no other information |
| 19:01.28 | elmo40 | KICK :P |
| 19:01.31 | RedShift | even with --debug I don't get more information |
| 19:01.50 | tralala | &+tell RedShift -about paste |
| 19:01.51 | RedShift | there's no log file either |
| 19:01.51 | aptitude | told RedShift about paste. |
| 19:01.53 | elmo40 | RedShift: how did you try to install ? |
| 19:02.17 | RedShift | ./psa_installer_v3.2.1_build070914.16_os_Debian_4.0_i386 |
| 19:02.23 | wols_ | RedShift: iirc plsek only supports sarge. uses qmail, etc. it's simply shit |
| 19:02.42 | jelly-home | RedShift: better to ask the support for your software |
| 19:02.47 | RedShift | swsoft says it's supported on debian 4.0 |
| 19:03.02 | RedShift | I'm trying to install the demo version to see if I want to purchase it |
| 19:03.14 | RedShift | I don't think I have support with the downloadable trail :D |
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| 19:03.24 | RedShift | I posted it at their forums too though |
| 19:03.25 | Seivan| | Ehm |
| 19:03.34 | Seivan| | Could someone please help me with VNCserver |
| 19:03.40 | tralala | RedShift, if they want to sell it they better help you |
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| 19:03.50 | RedShift | tralala: good point |
| 19:03.51 | wols_ | RedShift: check if you can install qmail |
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| 19:04.21 | RedShift | wols_: the required software for plesk has to be installed *before* you run the psa installer? |
| 19:04.38 | elmo40 | RedShift: ... |
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| 19:04.48 | elmo40 | this is why they are called dependencies |
| 19:04.49 | wols_ | RedShift: no. do what I asked you |
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| 19:05.59 | superpigs | elmo40 your witty comments are so helpfull |
| 19:06.02 | RedShift | right, I have to build qmail myself, facist berstein |
| 19:06.03 | RedShift | :X |
| 19:06.08 | Seivan| | tralala: thanks for nothing.... *** |
| 19:06.20 | abrotman | !info qmail-source etch |
| 19:06.21 | tralala | &customer |
| 19:06.22 | aptitude | Another happy customer leaves the building |
| 19:06.25 | RedShift | well installing qmail-src works |
| 19:06.26 | abrotman | argh |
| 19:06.58 | jelly-home | wols_: which qmail build, the one from -source, the one from pape, something else? |
| 19:07.15 | wols_ | jelly-home: ask plest fuckers |
| 19:07.19 | wols_ | I guess qmail-src |
| 19:07.43 | RedShift | I can feel this is going to be a big motha of a PITA |
| 19:08.00 | karsten | xingu: Thank you kindely |
| 19:08.02 | wols_ | RedShift: panels always are |
| 19:08.07 | jelly-home | I'd propose they can't make an installer that bad, but I've seen some commercial software ;-) |
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| 19:09.24 | Seivan| | What is Xfce called (the package to download)+ |
| 19:09.36 | karsten | !tell Seivan| about search |
| 19:09.40 | unop | aptitude search xfce |
| 19:09.43 | wols_ | Seivan|: what debian version? |
| 19:09.47 | Seivan| | unop: I did |
| 19:09.49 | Seivan| | I got a shitload of list |
| 19:09.53 | Seivan| | and I cant scroll in bash |
| 19:09.58 | wols_ | Seivan|: asking the same things in here and ubuntu is at least impolite |
| 19:10.07 | elmo40 | xfce4 |
| 19:10.16 | RedShift | wols_: so if qmail installs, then what? |
| 19:10.21 | Seivan| | wols_: dont midn |
| 19:10.23 | karsten | Seivan|: man less |
| 19:10.26 | unop | Seivan|, thats a limitation of your terminal emulator not bash itselfd |
| 19:10.28 | fengor | Seivan|: you know about less and the power of | ? |
| 19:10.29 | karsten | Seivan|: man grep |
| 19:10.32 | Decepticon | penp, hoxu, PythonNinja, it was /etc/mailname to change the visible mailname server from decepticon.<crap>.com to decepticon |
| 19:10.35 | RedShift | (by the way: http://cr.yp.to/qmail/dist.html) |
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| 19:10.53 | RedShift | qmail-1.03 is declared public domain by djb himself |
| 19:10.58 | karsten | Seivan|: Pipe the output through a pager that allows scrolling forward & backward, and searching. Eg: less, most. |
| 19:11.04 | Seivan| | Maybe you could tell me how I start XFCE4 when I VNC, and it shuts down when i exit VNC =) ? |
| 19:11.05 | elmo40 | Seivan|: you can 'page up' in 'bash'. Hold the shift key. |
| 19:11.09 | wols_ | RedShift: then you ask the provider of the software why they are too stupid to write an installer |
| 19:11.16 | hoxu | Decepticon, alrighty, thanks for the info |
| 19:11.19 | RedShift | wols_: eh eh eh |
| 19:11.21 | Seivan| | elmo40: yeah shift up and down (got it now) |
| 19:11.42 | Seivan| | I installed xfce4 how do I run it now? |
| 19:11.48 | Seivan| | I got VNC |
| 19:12.11 | elmo40 | startx |
| 19:12.12 | elmo40 | :P |
| 19:12.14 | Decepticon | Seivan| i have it so that /home/decepticon/.vnc/xstartup does stuff |
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| 19:12.27 | jelly-home | startxfce4, even |
| 19:12.31 | karsten | Seivan|: You can set up your vnc session, I forget the tools for doing that. |
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| 19:12.39 | karsten | Seivan|: In general I run Linux locally, not remotely. |
| 19:12.47 | elmo40 | jelly-home: if xfce is his only wm, then startx will suffice. |
| 19:12.54 | tralala | RedShift, you're after an uphill battle with non-free software and #debian usually isn't helping much |
| 19:13.06 | Seivan| | karsten: well I edited the xvncsetup and I want to add XFCE4 there but dont know what to change |
| 19:13.15 | RedShift | I don't care if software is free or non-free |
| 19:13.18 | RedShift | it has to work, period |
| 19:13.21 | Seivan| | Decepticon: yeah I know, but what do i add/edit? |
| 19:13.36 | tralala | RedShift, I agree. Now tell it to plesk and see if they agree too. |
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| 19:13.46 | wols_ | Seivan|: then read documentation |
| 19:13.51 | Seivan| | wols_: what docu+ |
| 19:14.03 | wols_ | the one you just installed for your vnc server |
| 19:14.04 | _Sam-- | how do i use the /etc/security/limits.conf file after i have configured it as i want? ie: what controls that, or how do i load it? |
| 19:14.08 | Seivan| | wols_: woot? |
| 19:14.09 | karsten | Seivan|: 'startxfce4' might do the trick. |
| 19:14.11 | Decepticon | Seivan|i have it so that in ~/.vnc/xstartup i put in "gnome-session" and xstartup is still waiting for gnome-session to die before to go onto the next step... so basically when i log out of gnome, the next commands in my xstartup file are exit commands like killall Xtightvnc |
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| 19:14.19 | karsten | _Sam--: It Just Works[tm] |
| 19:14.20 | Seivan| | karsten: where in xsetupvnc do I add that? |
| 19:14.29 | Seivan| | karsten: I mean xstartup |
| 19:14.29 | _Sam-- | karsten : ulimit does not show that its working. |
| 19:14.35 | Decepticon | anywhere, its just a list of commands |
| 19:14.38 | karsten | _Sam--: IIUC libraries are configured to use that. |
| 19:14.46 | Decepticon | Seivan|, anywhere in ~/.vnc/xstartup |
| 19:14.58 | karsten | _Sam--: You may need to restart your shell. Or try to go over the limits specified in limits.conf |
| 19:15.01 | jelly-home | _Sam--: it works via pam, eg. for ssh, look for mention of pam_limits.so in /etc/pam.d/ssh |
| 19:15.03 | Decepticon | the first line of ~/.vnc/xstartup says #!/bin/bash though |
| 19:15.04 | elmo40 | Decepticon: can you pastebin your file? |
| 19:15.08 | Decepticon | elmo40 sure |
| 19:15.26 | elmo40 | i am going to try this out too. Sounds like a nice idea. |
| 19:15.50 | Decepticon | El_Guillermo http://pastebin.ca/806599 |
| 19:15.52 | Decepticon | er |
| 19:15.55 | Decepticon | elmo40 http://pastebin.ca/806599 |
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| 19:16.11 | Decepticon | i dont have many exit commands though |
| 19:16.23 | Decepticon | but this is only for vnc sessions |
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| 19:16.44 | _Sam-- | jelly-home : basically, i want ulimit unlimited for all root limits...is there another way to do this? |
| 19:16.44 | Decepticon | it doesnt happen on local logins and starting of x locally |
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| 19:16.48 | _Sam-- | i have tried with .bashrc no luck |
| 19:17.18 | jelly-home | _Sam--: how do you become root? |
| 19:17.23 | Seivan| | Decepticon: thanks man, karsten thanks |
| 19:17.24 | _Sam-- | ssh in, as root. |
| 19:17.37 | Seivan| | Decepticon: ehm if it is too big for my screen ( run 1280x800 on my laptop).... how do I make it "smaller" |
| 19:17.38 | Decepticon | elmo40 notice that every command before "gnome-session" has a & in it to let the xstartup script continue onto the next command |
| 19:17.38 | elmo40 | Decepticon: thank you |
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| 19:18.10 | Decepticon | replace gnome-session with your desktop env of choice, and add your exit commands after it |
| 19:18.16 | jelly-home | _Sam--: ... is there an uncommented line like "session required pam_limits.so" in the relevant /etc/pam.d file? |
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| 19:18.40 | _Sam-- | jelly: yes indeed. |
| 19:18.44 | _Sam-- | session required pam_limits.so |
| 19:18.47 | Decepticon | Seivan|, i think you need to edit /etc/vnc.conf |
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| 19:18.56 | Seivan| | Decepticon: you sure? |
| 19:18.59 | Decepticon | yes |
| 19:18.59 | Seivan| | and itäs not xorg? |
| 19:19.11 | jelly-home | _Sam--: and what limits do you get? |
| 19:19.37 | Decepticon | Seivan| edit $geometry in /etc/vnc.conf |
| 19:19.49 | _Sam-- | jelly: not the ones i specifed in limits.conf |
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| 19:20.03 | _Sam-- | example, * soft core unlimited |
| 19:20.14 | elmo40 | Decepticon: so this file does what? Allows you to VNC into your machine with a local X? Does NOT start X on the remote machine? |
| 19:20.15 | _Sam-- | ulimit -a reports core size not unlimited |
| 19:20.52 | jelly-home | _Sam--: hm, can you unlimit it interactively? |
| 19:20.53 | _Sam-- | i also changed the nofile to 4096, but ulimit -a reports open files 1024 |
| 19:21.04 | _Sam-- | jelly: yes, i can ulimit fine from shell |
| 19:21.18 | jelly-home | _Sam--: so it's only soft limits I guess |
| 19:21.33 | jelly-home | _Sam--: etch? |
| 19:21.58 | fengor | Decepticon: may i ask which vncserver you use? |
| 19:22.03 | _Sam-- | jelly: yes. |
| 19:22.06 | Decepticon | Seivan|, you can also edit ~/.vncrc for $geometry to make it specific to your login |
| 19:22.19 | Decepticon | elmo40 im not sure on that |
| 19:22.24 | _Sam-- | i'll change it to hard, and see if it changes |
| 19:22.39 | Decepticon | fengor i just use tightvncserver |
| 19:22.51 | fengor | thanks :) |
| 19:22.52 | _Sam-- | nah, my changes in limits.conf dont affect what ulimit -a reports |
| 19:23.07 | elmo40 | Decepticon: now that file belongs on the remote machine, right? |
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| 19:23.34 | Decepticon | tightvncserver yeah, its running on the machine im vnc-ing to |
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| 19:24.08 | Decepticon | if you're looking to run remote apps on your local X, i think thats X-forawrding |
| 19:24.26 | Decepticon | and im not too sure on that bit, im sure theres guides for it |
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| 19:26.09 | elmo40 | Decepticon: now i am confused :-\ The setup you have allows you to do what, exactly? |
| 19:26.51 | _Sam-- | jelly-home : confirmed same thing on 2 etch machines -- changes in limits.conf dont change ulimit -a output. |
| 19:26.55 | jelly-home | _Sam--: the hard limit may not be lower than the soft one, so if you want to increase eg. fileno to >1024, you need to increace both |
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| 19:27.42 | _Sam-- | i have logged out, logged in, etc. |
| 19:27.53 | |Virtus| | hehe |
| 19:28.01 | Decepticon | my setup is relatively simple. i run vnc on the remote machine, vnc loads a script ~/.vnc/xstartup specified by default in ~/.vncrc i think and my xstartup file just loads up gnome-session and any other startup programs i want, waits for gnome to die, then continues on with commands in xstartup that i called were my exit commands (which include killing Xtightvnc) |
| 19:28.01 | |Virtus| | I love joining in the middle of a chat :D |
| 19:28.05 | Decepticon | elmo40 ^^ |
| 19:28.32 | elmo40 | Decepticon: :) |
| 19:28.37 | \\Root | haha |
| 19:28.38 | jelly-home | _Sam--: the basic functionality is there on lenny for su, for me |
| 19:28.57 | Decepticon | elmo40 gnome-session dies when i click logout in gnome, thus continuing onto the other commands in xstartup |
| 19:29.02 | _Sam-- | jelly: can you give me an exact line to paste into my limits.conf to try? |
| 19:29.15 | _Sam-- | specifically, i want unlimited core size, and 4096 open files |
| 19:30.24 | jelly-home | _Sam--: echo -e 'root\t\tsoft\tnofile\t\t4096\nroot\t\thard\tnofile\t\t4096' |
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| 19:30.48 | jelly-home | _Sam--: bbia half an hour, sorry |
| 19:30.57 | elmo40 | Decepticon: so when you remote login with tightVNC, it auto-starts x-window-manager & gnome-session? So, you have a LOCALLY running gnome session that uses LOCALLY installed gnome? Nothing on the remote machine is running gnome? |
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| 19:31.21 | _Sam-- | wow echo |
| 19:31.33 | _Sam-- | for some reason that doesnt seem to do anything, but echo what you wanted it to. |
| 19:31.41 | Decepticon | everything is being run on the remote machine |
| 19:31.49 | Decepticon | the machine im vnc-ing into |
| 19:31.56 | jelly-home | _Sam--: that was the point... I can't paste the tabs correctly ;-) |
| 19:32.06 | _Sam-- | what is the point of just echoing some crap |
| 19:32.12 | _Sam-- | it didnt change what ulimit does or says |
| 19:32.21 | jelly-home | _Sam--: echo ... >> /etc/security/limits.conf |
| 19:32.25 | elmo40 | so gnome starts up on the remote machine? Than all you need is a vnc client on the local machine? No local gnome? |
| 19:32.32 | _Sam-- | i see....thanks! |
| 19:33.11 | _Sam-- | worked. |
| 19:33.13 | _Sam-- | thank you :) |
| 19:33.20 | elmo40 | Decepticon: not what i was looking for... maybe X-forwarding is what i was looking for. |
| 19:33.40 | Decepticon | yeah, thats what i was saying earlier, theres tons of guides on X-forwarding |
| 19:34.01 | Decepticon | i just dont remember how i did it |
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| 19:34.54 | elmo40 | but you have had a local X run to get gui apps on a remote machine working? |
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| 19:35.10 | peer2peer | hmm i have a very noobie question. if i compile something from source, then how can i uninstall it later? do i have to manually remove the files it copies to etc... etc.. ? |
| 19:35.16 | _Sam-- | jelly-home : thank you again for your wealth of knowledge, and sorry for the insult re: echo. |
| 19:35.37 | Decepticon | yeah, i have a local X on my cygwin on winxp that works if i try to run opera or anything on my remote machine with x-forwading |
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| 19:36.02 | elmo40 | cool |
| 19:36.20 | Decepticon | peer2peer some programs have a 'make uninstall' option, just depends on the program |
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| 19:37.03 | fengor | hasnt there been a package that logs what is installed with make install? installwatch or something? |
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| 19:38.07 | peer2peer | what if i dont know where it copied the files etc... because i just did a ./configure && make && make install . how can i be able to remove all instance of that program? or am i just basically screwed? |
| 19:38.42 | tmv | peer2peer: you can try make uninstall, or something similar, if it's in the makefile. |
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| 19:39.34 | tmv | fengor: yeah, there was something like that, but i don't remember the name either. |
| 19:39.45 | tmv | used that one back in the day with slackware ;] |
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| 19:40.09 | CalJohn | I'm trying in install the kernel module for virtualbox from the sources provided by the package virtualbox-ose-source. I don't use any debian packaging for my kernel though, and /usr/share/doc/virtualbox-ose-source/README.Debian doesn't explain how to do this. "make" works just fine, but what next? |
| 19:40.39 | tmv | "checkinstall" was the name. |
| 19:41.25 | tmv | CalJohn: put the module to the corresponding place and load it ? |
| 19:41.36 | fengor | ah right, thanks tmv i didnt remembered it |
| 19:42.44 | CalJohn | tmv: you're seconds too late. I was looking for advice because I'd failed at this earlier. make install worked fine this time |
| 19:42.44 | _Sam-- | peer2peer : or you could do "make install |less" and look to see what files are installed where. |
| 19:42.50 | _Sam-- | and then manually delete them |
| 19:43.00 | \\Virtus | Can I please spam my radio here? :p |
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| 19:43.42 | CalJohn | since I'm on amd64, do all virtualbox os's need to be amd64, or can they be x86? |
| 19:44.52 | abrotman | \\Virtus: please don't |
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| 19:45.09 | abrotman | fengor: stow? checkinstall ? |
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| 19:45.11 | sepski | CalJohn, i belive both will be supported |
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| 19:46.49 | elmo40 | superpigs: my back is soar... that feels good. |
| 19:46.57 | superpigs | elmo40 :))) |
| 19:48.18 | Ronin | long as thats all theyre doing elmo40 |
| 19:48.51 | elmo40 | well... depends on a few factors. m or f! bubble or no bubbles >_< |
| 19:48.58 | elmo40 | anyways. |
| 19:49.32 | superpigs | lol its not that i am homosexual. i am more of a parasite that leverege of everybody elses work, energy, software, etc etc |
| 19:49.45 | superpigs | heat=energy |
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| 19:50.25 | Ronin | ahh a manager |
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| 19:50.28 | elmo40 | :P |
| 19:50.31 | superpigs | LOL |
| 19:50.34 | superpigs | ops no lol |
| 19:50.39 | superpigs | ronin :P |
| 19:50.54 | superpigs | ronin well they fired me. so now. unemployed manager. |
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| 19:51.20 | superpigs | i am so happy :) |
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| 19:52.53 | mshadle | can someone help me find the right package to get a "fixed" font for X11? none of my font dirs are populated |
| 19:53.08 | abrotman | mshadle: aptitude install xorg |
| 19:53.12 | wols_ | @fixed |
| 19:53.13 | ravenbird | if you have a problem XFree86 it not finding 'fixed' font, see fonts.alias, or /usr/share/doc/xfree86-common/FAQ.gz, or make sure xfonts-base is installed, or purge and reinstall it, or see fontfix |
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| 19:53.32 | mshadle | quite common i see. hah |
| 19:53.51 | stew | mshadle: aptitude install xorg |
| 19:53.58 | mshadle | i tried a couple apt-cache searches, but xfonts-base did not come up |
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| 19:54.31 | mil-dude | hey, I'm having trouble with an IDE travan drive... is the bug from a few years ago still active? do I have to set up scsi-emulation for the drive? |
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| 19:54.40 | abrotman | travan? |
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| 19:54.46 | abrotman | like .. 400MB? |
| 19:55.00 | xtor_ | I need the debian gcc 4.1.3 package, where would I find it in the archives? I need that exact build |
| 19:55.08 | abrotman | !sdn |
| 19:55.11 | abrotman | &sdn |
| 19:55.12 | aptitude | sdn is, like, go to http://snapshot.debian.net to get older packages. Almost every single package since somewhere in 2002 is here. year 2004 is largely lost because of harddisk problems. |
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| 19:55.52 | xtor_ | thanks |
| 19:55.57 | mil-dude | ok, travan tapes, whatever drive takes that (I can't read anything off the tape drive itself) |
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| 19:56.54 | xtor_ | Not found |
| 19:56.54 | xtor_ | no package matched with 'gcc\ 4\.1\.3' |
| 19:57.02 | mshadle | THANKS! |
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| 19:57.54 | Eulex | xtor_, 4.1.2 doesn't do? because that's what is in the repos. |
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| 19:58.11 | abrotman | xtor_: search for gcc |
| 19:58.19 | mil-dude | anyhow, whenever I try to do something like "tar -tvf /dev/ht0", I get "Dec 5 13:44:56 localhost kernel: BUG: warning at include/asm/dma-mapping.h:47/dma_map_sg()" |
| 19:58.21 | xtor_ | Eulix it may do...but I was told to get EXACTLY what my kernel was compiled with |
| 19:58.47 | elmo40 | gcc 4.2.1-6 in unstable... |
| 19:58.59 | mil-dude | and no output, nor any activity on the tape drive |
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| 19:59.21 | anapivirtua | Hi world. |
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| 19:59.47 | xtor_ | gcc (GCC) 4.2.3 20071014 (prerelease) (Debian 4.2.2-3) |
| 19:59.47 | xtor_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:59.59 | mil-dude | and list traffic from a few years ago mentions no support for IDE with this drive, and says to use scsi emulation |
| 20:00.00 | xtor_ | I am running debian testing ATM |
| 20:00.11 | xtor_ | Which I presume is lenny? |
| 20:00.27 | mil-dude | or squiggy |
| 20:00.41 | mil-dude | oops, wrong universe |
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| 20:01.18 | \\Virtus | Hey zinx ! |
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| 20:02.36 | johndoevodka | is dpkg down? |
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| 20:04.56 | abrotman | johndoevodka: yes .. use aptitude |
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| 20:06.22 | unop | lol |
| 20:06.42 | TrueDD | Hi all |
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| 20:08.54 | xtor_ | whats the difference between gcc 4.1 and 4.2 anyway...why would I care? |
| 20:09.04 | karsten | xtor_: .1 |
| 20:09.11 | abrotman | xtor_: why do you want 4.1? |
| 20:09.26 | xtor_ | I was compiling some kernel vmmon thingies or whatever |
| 20:09.27 | karsten | xtor_: Otherwise: read the changelogs. |
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| 20:09.42 | xtor_ | and they needed the EXACT gcc version that my kernel itself was compiled with |
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| 20:09.54 | infinity1 | is there a 2.6.23 kernel that compiles on debian? i tried the snapshots from the debian kernel package manintainers and it didn't work |
| 20:10.03 | john_scrotum | xtor: You would care if you were wanting to use someththing that gcc 4.2 as a dependency. |
| 20:10.04 | valdyn | xtor_: that is a security measure only,it might technically not be required to use same version |
| 20:10.14 | nasshi | normally when you apt-get something, it will recommend other packages to get as well. i apt-got texmaker, but it won't compile documents. can anyone please tell me how to get those packages automatically for texmaker? |
| 20:10.18 | _Sam-- | infinity1 : i compiled 2.6.23 and booted it fine here. |
| 20:10.21 | xtor_ | valdyn well my compilation crashed so I guess it is |
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| 20:10.41 | valdyn | xtor_: gcc crashed? |
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| 20:10.42 | infinity1 | _Sam--: what kerenl source? |
| 20:10.44 | valdyn | umm |
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| 20:10.50 | _Sam-- | infinity1: ftp.kernel.org |
| 20:10.51 | chops | So with curlftpfs, opening a file for write tends to return "No such file or directory" |
| 20:10.58 | knightmare | This Friday, UCSB is hosting a CTF match (http://www.cs.ucsb.edu/~vigna/CTF/). They gave us a VM image running debian and told us we had to use VMWare Player. They instructions tell us to boot into single user mode and change the ip settings. The problem is we have to use 'single init/bin/bash' otherwise we are prompted to enter the root password. We are not allowed to change the root password or create accounts, just modify /etc/network/interfaces and |
| 20:11.06 | xtor_ | well the compilation crashed...it uhmmm started complaining and existed |
| 20:11.16 | infinity1 | _Sam--: hrmz. i prefer the debian kernel source. |
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| 20:11.35 | xtor_ | tmp/vmware-config0/vmmon-only/Makefile:90: *** Inappropriate build environment: you wanted to use gcc version 4.2.3 while kernel attempts to use gcc version 4.1.3. |
| 20:11.35 | xtor_ | /tmp/vmware-config0/vmmon-only/Makefile:92: *** For proper build you'll have to replace gcc-4.1 -m32 with symbolic link to /usr/bin/gcc. Stop. |
| 20:11.38 | abrotman | knightmare: you got cut off |
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| 20:11.43 | _Sam-- | you can get the debian kernel config, and then just make oldconfig against the kernel.org source |
| 20:11.44 | knightmare | oh |
| 20:12.00 | bahadunn | why the new debian kernel would rename my hard drive from hda to sda is weird |
| 20:12.05 | bahadunn | seems like a bug |
| 20:12.05 | valdyn | xtor_: that'S what i said, the have this depend as a security measure |
| 20:12.12 | abrotman | knightmare: boot single user `init=/bin/sh` .. then remount the drive rw .. then change the file |
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| 20:12.24 | xtor_ | mmmk |
| 20:12.25 | knightmare | the latter part im having problems with |
| 20:12.33 | abrotman | &ifrp |
| 20:12.34 | aptitude | 1) 'linux init=/bin/sh' at a lilo boot prompt (hold Shift while booting to make one appear), 2) 'fsck' your root file system, 3) 'mount -o remount,rw /', 4) 'passwd root' 5) 'mount -o remount,ro /' 6) reboot -d -f (exec /sbin/init should work); For GRUB (e.g. etch, sarge): in step 1, press 'e' to edit the kernel setting (add init=/bin/sh to the end of it), 'b' to boot. Steps 2-6 are the same. |
| 20:12.37 | knightmare | im in single user mode, but im not sure how to unmount it then remount it while im in it |
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| 20:12.42 | valdyn | xtor_: you can fix that dependency, or alter the build script ( at your own risk ) |
| 20:12.42 | abrotman | see step 3 |
| 20:13.02 | xtor_ | valdyn yeah I switched the softlink and sailed through it |
| 20:13.06 | abrotman | knightmare: basically .. follow that .. but instead of step4 to change the password .. just change the interfaces file |
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| 20:13.14 | john_scrotum | xtor: are you running etch or lenny? |
| 20:13.23 | smacnay | Hi, does iceweasel allow the use of extensions in testing? Seems I can't add extensions from the Tools-Add-ons- dialogue. |
| 20:13.24 | xtor_ | btw does anyone know if XEN generally works with most kernels? |
| 20:13.33 | xtor_ | john yes I am running lenny/testing |
| 20:13.35 | karsten | smacnay: Yes, it does. |
| 20:13.41 | bahadunn | abrotman: sounds like you need some overproof |
| 20:13.46 | knightmare | thats the thing. its not letting me because its read only |
| 20:13.47 | abrotman | huh? |
| 20:13.52 | bahadunn | abrotman: overproof |
| 20:13.55 | abrotman | knightmare: see step #3 |
| 20:13.58 | xtor_ | kernel 2.6.22 amd64 even though my install was 32 bits |
| 20:14.00 | petemc | xtor_: etch has xen kernels, otherwise you'll need to compile your own |
| 20:14.01 | abrotman | bahadunn: no more drugs .. mmkay? |
| 20:14.07 | john_scrotum | xtor: why don't you just install gcc from sid then? It would be relatively easy. |
| 20:14.09 | smacnay | karsten: then I am doing something wrong... is there a need to configure icew to allow the addition of addons? |
| 20:14.13 | bahadunn | abrotman: its what you need though |
| 20:14.21 | abrotman | i don't need anything |
| 20:14.29 | xtor_ | john its over...I just compiled |
| 20:14.57 | bahadunn | abrotman: you dont need some nice appleton's overproof rum? |
| 20:14.59 | john_scrotum | xtor: what did you do? |
| 20:15.07 | abrotman | no |
| 20:15.09 | xtor_ | petemc I cannot use etch because etch does not have the marvell-pata IDE driver which I need, however kernel version 2.6.22 does have it hence I used lenny |
| 20:15.20 | _Sam-- | abrotman : you usually know everything there is to know. earlier today, my etch box crashed, left no logs, cores, or any indication why. is it possible that having ulimit set too low for certain things could have caused it -- the box crashed while tarring an amanda backup. |
| 20:15.23 | xtor_ | john I just fooled it into thinking I had 4.1 |
| 20:15.27 | knightmare | abrotman: thank you. Ive been messing with this for 3 hours. i really appreciate it! |
| 20:15.35 | abrotman | _Sam--: many things are possible |
| 20:15.39 | abrotman | knightmare: get it working? |
| 20:15.41 | bahadunn | abrotman: okay then |
| 20:15.41 | petemc | xtor_: if you want to use xen, you're going to have to compile another kernel |
| 20:15.43 | abrotman | and wtf is a CTF match ? |
| 20:15.43 | knightmare | rebooting it now |
| 20:15.48 | _Sam-- | it is possible that ulimit could have caused it? |
| 20:15.54 | _Sam-- | or not possible? |
| 20:15.57 | valdyn | abrotman: capture the flag? |
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| 20:16.02 | abrotman | valdyn: no idea .. weird |
| 20:16.07 | xtor_ | petemc so you are saying regular etch has Xen already snugly there in the kernel? |
| 20:16.18 | petemc | xtor_: no, it has xen kernels you can install |
| 20:16.26 | petemc | prebuilt |
| 20:16.28 | knightmare | here is the CTF link: http://www.cs.ucsb.edu/~vigna/CTF/ |
| 20:16.29 | Seivan| | Does anyone know how to make the resolution smaller on a vncserver? |
| 20:16.31 | valdyn | abrotman: i understood that they are supposed to use a specific game client in a virtual machine to avoid cheating |
| 20:16.32 | xtor_ | ahhh readymade xen kernels |
| 20:16.40 | xtor_ | or rather kernels with the Xen option enabled |
| 20:16.49 | valdyn | ah nm |
| 20:16.49 | abrotman | knightmare: can you do other thigns to the box? :) |
| 20:16.58 | petemc | xtor_: xen isnt in the mainline kernel yet |
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| 20:17.08 | petemc | enough of xen to use, anyway |
| 20:17.11 | knightmare | abrotman: cannot open /proc/net/dev |
| 20:17.15 | abrotman | &tracker of doom |
| 20:17.16 | aptitude | rumour has it, tracker of doom is a vulnerability database maintained by the debian security team, viewable at http://security-tracker.debian.net or read http://www.enyo.de/fw/software/debsecan/ |
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| 20:17.26 | knightmare | abrotman: its only the test image right now so there is nothing fun on it :) |
| 20:17.30 | abrotman | oh ok |
| 20:17.32 | xtor_ | petemc have you actually tried xen yet? I am curious how it is cuz amazon sells xen instances and I was thinking to buy one |
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| 20:17.45 | petemc | xtor_: ive been using it for a few years |
| 20:18.02 | xtor_ | petemc how does it compare to vmware and openvz |
| 20:18.10 | abrotman | kids these days play some odd games :) |
| 20:18.19 | xtor_ | and what do you use xen for |
| 20:18.27 | petemc | xtor_: its years since i tried vmware, and ive never tried openvz - so i dont know |
| 20:18.31 | petemc | it works well for me |
| 20:19.11 | petemc | xtor_: ive moved most of my servers to xen so i can easily clone/restore/migrate them |
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| 20:19.33 | Seivan| | How do I see what processes are running? |
| 20:19.36 | xtor_ | petemc so you don't find xen buggy at all I take it? |
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| 20:19.45 | Seivan| | I mean, how do I make sure that i want some applications to run at startup and others not |
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| 20:19.47 | Lilly | This chanel is for what? |
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| 20:19.58 | valdyn | Seivan|: define "startup" |
| 20:20.03 | petemc | xtor_: ive experienced bugs, my systems have ran well for the past while |
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| 20:20.09 | Seivan| | I mean, how do I make sure that some applications is going to run at startup and others not. By Startup I mean when I boot the computer |
| 20:20.13 | Seivan| | valdyn: when the computer starts |
| 20:20.21 | mrtelepho | how come libssl-0.9.8 is all screwed up in debian stable 4.0? |
| 20:20.24 | valdyn | Seivan|: system startup starts what is called "services", not applications |
| 20:20.26 | mrtelepho | is there a way to fix this |
| 20:20.36 | valdyn | Seivan|: read /etc/init.d/README |
| 20:20.38 | mrtelepho | it says 0.9.8etch1 is due to be installed and there is no such thing |
| 20:20.43 | Seivan| | valdyn: thanks, can I edit it aswell? |
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| 20:20.49 | knightmare | abrotman: when i try to run ifconfig now, it gives me the error |
| 20:20.49 | Lilly | I want a man to fuck me |
| 20:20.54 | mrtelepho | shutup lilly |
| 20:20.57 | Lilly | i'm a hot woman 30 years |
| 20:21.00 | Lilly | in canada |
| 20:21.01 | valdyn | Seivan|: yes, but you shouldnt "edit" anything there |
| 20:21.02 | abrotman | knightmare: such as? |
| 20:21.03 | xtor_ | petemc do you recommend stock xen on a LAMP server? Just to compartmentalize different envirornments for security and compatabilituy purposes? Like could I run 4 Xen VMs on one beefy LAMP server with 4 IP addresses or will that cause overhead |
| 20:21.07 | Lilly | anyone is interested to fuck me twice a day |
| 20:21.09 | Lilly | :D |
| 20:21.11 | mrtelepho | who the hell takes care of the packaging |
| 20:21.12 | Lilly | pm me |
| 20:21.12 | Seivan| | Lilly: well you are canadian, |
| 20:21.16 | abrotman | Lilly: this is a support channel .. go away |
| 20:21.17 | mrtelepho | it fails all the time |
| 20:21.18 | Lilly | yes |
| 20:21.21 | Lilly | for what? |
| 20:21.22 | garaguas | where can i say to data that the value in my RTC is local time and not UTC? |
| 20:21.24 | Ronin | abrotman: whats teh aptitude command to summon ops? heh |
| 20:21.31 | knightmare | abrotman: "cannot open /proc/dev/net" |
| 20:21.31 | Lilly | support of what |
| 20:21.33 | garaguas | /s/data/date |
| 20:21.35 | abrotman | &ops lilly needs to find a date elsewhere |
| 20:21.36 | aptitude | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: abrotman complains about: lilly needs to find a date elsewhere |
| 20:21.41 | mrtelepho | local time is UTC isn't it |
| 20:21.50 | knightmare | i need to see what interface vmware is using |
| 20:21.56 | valdyn | Seivan|: if you told us what it really is you want to do.. someone could probably tell you a decent "how" |
| 20:22.01 | *** mode/#debian [+o mentor] by ChanServ |
| 20:22.03 | Lilly | I'm a HOT WOMAN 32 years, wanted to be Fucked twice a day pm if you want |
| 20:22.07 | *** mode/#debian [+b *!*@209.217.118.34] by mentor |
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| 20:22.12 | abrotman | mentor: thank you |
| 20:22.15 | mentor | np |
| 20:22.17 | Seivan| | valdyn: I want to remove some applications so they dont start when I boot the computer |
| 20:22.23 | abrotman | knightmare: did it work before? |
| 20:22.27 | valdyn | Seivan|: which ones? |
| 20:22.28 | abrotman | /dev/ is created when it boots |
| 20:22.32 | Seivan| | valdyn: for example VNcserver |
| 20:22.36 | valdyn | Seivan|: why dont you remove those entirely? |
| 20:22.37 | knightmare | what do you mean "before"? |
| 20:22.50 | Seivan| | valdyn: I want to be able to start it when I want to, not when the computer starts |
| 20:22.54 | valdyn | vncserver is ever started automagically in debian? |
| 20:23.11 | mil-dude | can't we make a rule that folks like Lilly have to ask to ask first? ;-0 |
| 20:23.22 | petemc | xtor_: i played with xen for a good while before i deployed it, i would recommend you do the same so you're in a position to fix it if it breaks |
| 20:23.37 | Seivan| | valdyn: I dont know thats why I wanted to see them |
| 20:23.45 | Seivan| | valdyn: do you know how I can see what applications start on startup? |
| 20:23.47 | valdyn | Seivan|: it isnt. |
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| 20:23.55 | Seivan| | Then how do I see that, and if not, how do I add one |
| 20:24.01 | valdyn | Seivan|: ls /etc/rc2.d/ |
| 20:24.16 | Seivan| | valdyn: what? |
| 20:24.18 | mrtelepho | are there any DEBIAN developers in here or what? what does etch mean at the end of a package? |
| 20:24.18 | xtor_ | petemc yeah I was planning on starting to play with it |
| 20:24.30 | valdyn | Seivan|: that'S a command to run in a shell |
| 20:24.36 | mick_home | mrtelepho: it means that it is packaged for etch |
| 20:24.45 | mick_home | mrtelepho: devs don't necessarily hang in here |
| 20:24.55 | bzed | &tell mrtelepho about etch |
| 20:25.02 | Seivan| | valdyn: Yeah I know that, lol stop being so slow. I just want to see how I edit my autostartlist |
| 20:25.11 | mentor | mrtelepho: It means it has been updated since etch has been released. |
| 20:25.12 | mrtelepho | it won't let me install libssl because of some crap about not finding libssl0.9.8 etch |
| 20:25.23 | mrtelepho | some dependancy issue |
| 20:25.23 | mentor | mrtelepho: Typically for security updates |
| 20:25.40 | mrtelepho | so I have to add a security apt source? |
| 20:25.42 | valdyn | Seivan|: you dont, generally, read the README |
| 20:25.59 | mentor | Is it just me who finds mrtelepho's turn of phrase annoying? |
| 20:26.20 | Eulex | mrtelepho, we might actually be able to help you if you provide us with the actual error message |
| 20:26.23 | mentor | mrtelepho: It's probably a well phrased and meaningful error message, really. |
| 20:26.24 | Seivan| | valdyn: eh |
| 20:26.31 | Seivan| | valdyn: alright how do I add VNCserver then? |
| 20:26.35 | valdyn | Seivan|: you can mess with /etc/rc2.d contents or /etc/init.d contents. Both needs alot more knowledge than you probably have to be done cleanly. |
| 20:26.39 | mentor | mrtelepho: Are you using etch? |
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| 20:26.52 | knightmare | abrotman: Its not working but i appreciate the help. I'm going to send them an email and see whats up because I am SURE other people have having problems as well. Thanks again! |
| 20:26.57 | valdyn | Seivan|: its run as a specific user, no? |
| 20:27.05 | valdyn | Seivan|: that isnt system services. |
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| 20:27.34 | valdyn | Seivan|: man crontab, you can add an @reboot target by running crontab -e as that user |
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| 20:27.48 | smacnay | I can't seem to use the "Tools-Add-ons-Extensions" option in Iceweasel to install various extensions. I get a small window but clicking on "Extensions" doesn't allow me to select anything at all. |
| 20:27.52 | Seivan| | valdyn: Lost |
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| 20:28.43 | valdyn | Seivan|: vncserver is run as a user, not root, it has no business being related to system services in /etc/init.d/, hence one way to autostart it is running crontab -e and adding a line like "@reboot /usr/bin/vncserver" |
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| 20:32.31 | Seivan| | valdyn: why reboot? |
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| 20:33.14 | valdyn | Seivan|: cron executes commands at specified times, "@reboot" is a special "time", meaning "on system startup" |
| 20:33.32 | pike_ | Seivan|: i once put a script in init.d like so su - user1 -c "vncserver :number"; su - user2 -c "vncserver :number" etc for about 30 users i dont know if that is best way to do it though |
| 20:33.59 | _Sam-- | pike = pi kappa alpha? |
| 20:34.05 | valdyn | pike_: what he seems to be trying does not seem like it should require admin privilegues at all |
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| 20:34.56 | Seivan| | pike_: roger |
| 20:35.06 | Seivan| | No well.. ehm :)Im just gonna do as valdyn said |
| 20:35.13 | Seivan| | is there a way to see what programs startup? |
| 20:35.20 | Seivan| | I mean I know no-ip is on autostart |
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| 20:35.22 | Seivan| | but how do I see this= |
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| 20:35.49 | valdyn | Seivan|: a comprehensive list of programs being autostarted on bootup? |
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| 20:35.58 | solemnwarning | Hi all |
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| 20:36.24 | solemnwarning | What's the simplest way of getting all non-system users/groups/memberships to sync between a few machines? |
| 20:36.28 | valdyn | Seivan|: ls /etc/rc2.d /etc/rcS.d, all user crontabs. |
| 20:36.41 | valdyn | Seivan|: and naturally /etc/crontab too. |
| 20:36.45 | valdyn | Seivan|: Yes, its messy. |
| 20:36.46 | mrtelepho | openssl depends on this and then that depends on something else .. its just a huge mess.. how do you force something to be installed |
| 20:37.02 | mrtelepho | this package system reminds me of vista |
| 20:37.03 | Seivan| | valdyn: very |
| 20:37.13 | RedShift | solemnwarning: NIS is nice |
| 20:37.21 | valdyn | Seivan|: and a silly administrator could put any number of programs to be started into any of these scripts + /etc/rc.local |
| 20:37.22 | Seivan| | anyway valdyn thanks |
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| 20:38.00 | abrotman | mrtelepho: you don't |
| 20:38.14 | valdyn | Seivan|: ..which is why i was trying to tell you to leave /etc/rcS.d and /etc/init.d untouched. so it does not become "messy" |
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| 20:38.21 | abrotman | mrtelepho: do you have security sources in your sources.list? |
| 20:38.32 | abrotman | solemnwarning: NIS probably |
| 20:39.33 | valdyn | Seivan|: started "network services" is much nicer: "netstat -plunt" |
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| 20:39.43 | Seivan| | valdyn: huh you are telling me that now? |
| 20:39.53 | Seivan| | why didnt you say that before when I asked for a way to autostart vnc |
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| 20:40.08 | valdyn | Seivan|: tell what? |
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| 20:40.39 | abrotman | yay! |
| 20:41.05 | Seivan| | valdyn: it didnt work |
| 20:41.20 | valdyn | Seivan|: what exactly did not work? |
| 20:41.23 | Decepticon | any reason why i was told to use spinrite 5 not spinrite 6 to recover a failing ext3 partition? |
| 20:42.11 | xtor_ | I didnt know spinrite handled ext |
| 20:42.11 | Seivan| | valdyn: vncserver |
| 20:42.20 | valdyn | mrtelepho: depends are real, forcing is pointless |
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| 20:43.13 | valdyn | Seivan|: which command or which added crontab line run as which user. |
| 20:43.46 | Seivan| | valdyn: I wrote crontab -e in cmd, and then added @reboot /usr/bin/vncserver :1 |
| 20:44.04 | rahul | xtor_: spinrite deals with hardware, not data, I thought |
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| 20:44.23 | garaguas | i have a problem seeting my local time clock |
| 20:44.33 | streuner | hm, ask then |
| 20:44.45 | garaguas | in /etc/default/rcS i have UTC=no |
| 20:44.52 | xtor_ | rahul for data recovery purposes it just deals with filesystems, otherwise it does not touch hardware unless you consider writing all zeros handling hardware |
| 20:44.54 | mrtelepho | the package list is wrong or something.. noone else has problems with ssl in debian stable? |
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| 20:44.59 | streuner | !listvals UTC=no |
| 20:45.01 | dpkg | Factoid search of 'UTC=no' by value (1): setting time. |
| 20:45.06 | streuner | !setting time |
| 20:45.06 | dpkg | from memory, setting time is if you're using a coexisting DOS/Win on your x86, put UTC=no in /etc/default/rcS else put UTC=yes. use tzconfig to set the right timezone, then use date (man date) to set time (avoid doing that when precious applications are running, some might get confused). Now do hwclock --systohc if RTC is local, or hwclock --systohc --utc if UTC. Erase /etc/adjtime and repeat the previous command again. This prevents wrong time drift ... |
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| 20:45.10 | garaguas | but if i do date -u I get the local time instead |
| 20:45.21 | rahul | xtor_: hmm, I've seen it be recommended to people who are having I/O errors |
| 20:45.32 | Seivan| | valdyn: I wrote crontab -e in cmd, and then added @reboot /usr/bin/vncserver :1 |
| 20:45.36 | solemnwarning | Does NFS support user_xattr attributes? |
| 20:45.39 | nvz | ok say I've fetched an html file and I want a script to pull out all the data between two TD tags of a certain class="foo" what utility might help for parsing in that way? |
| 20:45.55 | valdyn | Seivan|: you ran crontab -e as your user? |
| 20:46.01 | valdyn | Seivan|: how do you know its not working? |
| 20:46.04 | Seivan| | no as root |
| 20:46.10 | Seivan| | valdyn: cuz I rebooted the server |
| 20:46.13 | xtor_ | rahul spinrite is the biggest scam going on in the last 10 years in the data recovery world. You need to read archives of grcsucks.com to get a full grip on that joke |
| 20:46.21 | valdyn | Seivan|: you are supposed to run it as the user |
| 20:46.28 | mrtelepho | i shouldn't have switched to stable from unstable :( |
| 20:46.29 | Seivan| | valdyn: ok |
| 20:46.47 | valdyn | Seivan|: cron errors get mailed to you btw |
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| 20:48.15 | abrotman | mrtelepho: duh |
| 20:48.51 | mrtelepho | just didn't want to go through all the updates all the time |
| 20:49.04 | mrtelepho | as usual have to go through packages.gz and hack the fix up |
| 20:49.22 | Seivan| | valdyn: still didnt work |
| 20:49.29 | Seivan| | valdyn: I added as my user, I added as root |
| 20:49.33 | Seivan| | still doesnt start vncserver :1 |
| 20:49.40 | valdyn | Seivan|: how do you know? |
| 20:49.47 | Seivan| | CUZ It didnt |
| 20:49.47 | valdyn | Seivan|: does it work if you run it in a shell? |
| 20:49.50 | mrtelepho | im just in a bad mood because I should have been compiling an hour ago and this bug set me back 2 hours |
| 20:49.51 | Seivan| | .... |
| 20:49.52 | Seivan| | no |
| 20:49.52 | Seivan| | Dude |
| 20:49.55 | Seivan| | I am in a shell |
| 20:49.56 | abrotman | mrtelepho: you're going to seriously break your system |
| 20:50.08 | valdyn | Seivan|: does the vnc server work if you run it on that shell |
| 20:50.12 | mrtelepho | well I have to find out why the program is looking for etch and it isn't there |
| 20:50.13 | abrotman | well .. worse than you have already |
| 20:50.21 | mrtelepho | its like a loop dependancy |
| 20:50.22 | Seivan| | valdyn: you mean vncserver :1 ? |
| 20:50.24 | Seivan| | valdyn: yea |
| 20:50.24 | abrotman | mrtelepho: how about you ask us .. what you can show us to help fix it |
| 20:50.28 | valdyn | Seivan|: yep |
| 20:50.36 | abrotman | mrtelepho: ranting like a crazy person from canada won't help |
| 20:50.43 | Seivan| | yeah it work |
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| 20:50.54 | valdyn | Seivan|: meaning you can connect to it just fine? |
| 20:51.15 | Seivan| | yes |
| 20:51.19 | valdyn | Seivan|: you did actually reboot to let cron do its job, yes? |
| 20:51.19 | felix_da_catz | For some reason I am getting a disk write error if I let the grub autoselect the kernel to boot. I press enter and get back to the boot menu and press enter on the default kernel it boots just fine. |
| 20:51.30 | Seivan| | valdyn: yeah I did reboot |
| 20:51.35 | Seivan| | several times |
| 20:51.41 | valdyn | Seivan|: check your mail |
| 20:51.45 | valdyn | Seivan|: or roots mail |
| 20:51.46 | Seivan| | valdyn: what mail? |
| 20:51.48 | Seivan| | how |
| 20:51.53 | valdyn | Seivan|: type "mail" |
| 20:52.09 | Seivan| | I get am essage |
| 20:52.11 | Seivan| | for both my user and root |
| 20:52.15 | Seivan| | and it says /etc/bin |
| 20:52.21 | Seivan| | and /usr/bin |
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| 20:52.34 | valdyn | Seivan|: a message from CRON ? |
| 20:52.38 | valdyn | Seivan|: use a paste site.. |
| 20:52.48 | mrtelepho | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:52.49 | mrtelepho | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:52.54 | abrotman | &paste |
| 20:52.55 | aptitude | Do not paste more than 3 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://channels.debian.net/paste/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. |
| 20:52.59 | Seivan| | valdyn: says no such thin as /etc/bin/vncserver |
| 20:53.03 | abrotman | mrtelepho: apt-cache policy might help |
| 20:53.19 | valdyn | Seivan|: because its /usr/bin/vncserver |
| 20:53.31 | Seivan| | valdyn: doh |
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| 20:53.44 | Seivan| | valdyn why cant I just write vncserver |
| 20:53.45 | Seivan| | instead of full path |
| 20:53.53 | valdyn | Seivan|: i have no idea if you cant |
| 20:54.16 | mrtelepho | libssl-dev: Depends: libssl0.9.8 (= 0.9.8c-4) but 0.9.8c-4etch1 is to be installed <-- i think this is what is holding me back |
| 20:54.20 | Seivan| | just did, rebooting |
| 20:54.58 | xtor_ | what exactly is a debian-update CD and should I download it for installation purposes? |
| 20:55.09 | abrotman | mrtelepho: apt-cache policy libssl-dev .. waht's the Candidate? |
| 20:55.21 | valdyn | xtor_: no need |
| 20:55.33 | valdyn | xtor_: you should be able to download updates as usual |
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| 20:55.47 | mrtelepho | Candidate: 0.9.8c-4 |
| 20:55.48 | xtor_ | valdyn so that CD basically just has newer debs? |
| 20:55.50 | mrtelepho | installed is none |
| 20:55.59 | abrotman | mrtelepho: do you ahve a `deb http://security.debian.org/debian etch/updates main contrib non-free" line in your sources.list ? |
| 20:56.06 | mrtelepho | no |
| 20:56.12 | abrotman | you should |
| 20:56.18 | valdyn | xtor_: no idea what it is, guess its new debs for the stable update: etch 4.0r1 |
| 20:56.24 | mrtelepho | alright i'll add that and try again |
| 20:56.26 | xtor_ | http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/4.0_r1/amd64/iso-cd/ <--- At the bottom, what are the update CDs? |
| 20:56.56 | valdyn | xtor_: right, what i said |
| 20:57.14 | valdyn | xtor_: people with somewhat decent internet access dont need this |
| 20:57.21 | xtor_ | valdyn but those update CDs are only a couple of days newer than the originals |
| 20:57.40 | valdyn | xtor_: those CDs update from r0, you are comparing to r1 |
| 20:57.45 | xtor_ | valdyn but people who are downloading an iso for the first time might as well grab that, right? |
| 20:58.02 | xtor_ | valdyn ahhh...ok so they arent "fresh install" CDs at all |
| 20:58.10 | valdyn | xtor_: right |
| 20:58.30 | Seivan| | valdyn: stil ldoesnt work |
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| 20:59.15 | Seivan| | @reboot /usr/bin/vncserver :1 |
| 20:59.18 | Seivan| | in crontab |
| 20:59.20 | Seivan| | for user doesnt work |
| 21:00.30 | mrtelepho | have you tried going to http://security.debian.org/debian .. not working |
| 21:00.31 | dondelelcaro | it works, your problem is most likely that vncserver is expecting a terminal or something else. |
| 21:00.38 | mrtelepho | is it down i wonder? |
| 21:00.52 | dondelelcaro | Seivan|: check your email from that machine's cronjobs and see what the problem is. |
| 21:01.51 | Seivan| | how do I delete mail? |
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| 21:02.25 | Seivan| | dondelelcaro: and valdyn it says USER enviormental not set |
| 21:02.31 | Seivan| | USER enviorment variabel |
| 21:02.39 | dondelelcaro | mrtelepho: that's not the right path for the security updates, anyway. |
| 21:02.57 | mrtelepho | http://security.debian.org/debian-security/dists :-/ |
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| 21:03.48 | Seivan| | valdyn: |
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| 21:03.54 | Seivan| | user enviromental variabel not set |
| 21:04.00 | Seivan| | enviromental |
| 21:04.36 | dondelelcaro | mrtelepho: uh... you can't just make up urls and hope that they work |
| 21:05.56 | mrtelepho | i can't? |
| 21:05.59 | mrtelepho | i didn't know t hat |
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| 21:09.33 | Tramp | Seivan|: you can set environment-variables in the crontab (see man 5 crontab). I personally don't think, that a service should be started via crontab. |
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| 21:13.07 | riz_ | Hello. I'm trying to use new kernel and I get an error: "Could not load /lib/modules/2.6.12.5/modules.dep : no such file or directory |
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| 21:13.35 | riz_ | the "modules.deb" there is. |
| 21:13.59 | riz_ | it should be an error of initramfs but I delete and re-create new |
| 21:14.46 | Seivan| | Tramp: how do I start it then= |
| 21:14.56 | wols_ | riz_: depmod -a |
| 21:15.06 | wols_ | while te kernel runs |
| 21:15.15 | riz_ | wols_ I can't now because the machine doesn't boot |
| 21:15.19 | wols_ | riz_: why do you use a 2.6.12 kernel? |
| 21:15.48 | riz_ | wols_ is 2.6.23.9 (is an error on copy/paste) |
| 21:16.09 | wols_ | then why do you compile a custom kernel |
| 21:16.27 | riz_ | wols_ for nvidia driver and for other thing |
| 21:16.35 | Tramp | Seivan|: /I/ would start it via a runlevel script/link. For /you/, trying to start it via crontab may be the better way. |
| 21:16.36 | riz_ | wols_ like dmraid etc. etc. |
| 21:16.47 | wols_ | there is no reason for nvidia drievrs. and 12.5 is no typo for 23.9 either |
| 21:17.00 | Seivan| | Tramp: even though it wont work |
| 21:17.09 | Seivan| | Tramp: I checked mail, it says user Environmental variabel not set |
| 21:17.14 | wols_ | Seivan|: why should a cornjob work? |
| 21:17.21 | Seivan| | /usr/bin/vncserver :1 |
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| 21:17.28 | riz_ | ok wols_ but why it can't boot ? |
| 21:17.42 | Tramp | Seivan|: I recommend to (1) read man 5 crontab and (2) add the variable and start a new debugging-cycle |
| 21:17.48 | Seivan| | huh ? |
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| 21:17.54 | wols_ | riz_: because you fucked up your kernel compile? how should I know whaw you did wrong without enough information? |
| 21:18.26 | Asmooh | 10 days left before i have my new cpu *very happy* \o/ \o/ \o/ :D :D :D |
| 21:18.53 | riz_ | wols_ the procudure is the standard. I can get the kernel from kernel.org, unpack it.etc. etc |
| 21:19.09 | riz_ | wols_ yesterday it boot fine |
| 21:19.35 | riz_ | wols_ the problem may be is related to some remove of linux-image-* package |
| 21:19.41 | wols_ | it's not standard to have a missing modules.dep for once even if that shouldn't prevent the kernel from booting |
| 21:19.42 | Seivan| | Tramp: how would you add it in crontab, I did @reboot /usr/bin/tightvncserver :1 |
| 21:20.18 | wols_ | riz_: unless you give us a reasonable error message it's impossibly to say what it is |
| 21:20.44 | Tramp | Seivan|: as I said /I/ wouldn't add it to the crontab. For /you / its (maybe) the easier way. Now do as I suggested and read the manpage. |
| 21:21.00 | riz_ | wols_ becuase, after the new kernel was booted, I delete every linux-image package |
| 21:21.03 | wols_ | Seivan|:just stay in #ubuntu or stay here for asking about your problems. |
| 21:21.26 | wols_ | riz_: bullshit |
| 21:21.32 | riz_ | wols_ and now, it can't boot...(but from my point of view, is not a kernel problem..) |
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| 21:21.49 | wols_ | riz_: more bullshit |
| 21:21.58 | wols_ | modules.dep is a kernel file, pure and simple |
| 21:22.37 | riz_ | wols_ yes |
| 21:22.56 | Tramp | Seivan|: since you get mails with errors, it seems to (partly) work. Now add this varialbe to the crontab and try again. Maybe you are lucky, maybe you get a new error. |
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| 21:23.10 | riz_ | wols_ and it's create when you type "make modules_install" |
| 21:23.11 | sander_ | Anyone know why the package bcm43xx-fwcutter trying to download an url which dosnt exist: http://boredklink.googlepages.com/wl_apsta.o? |
| 21:23.27 | wols_ | riz_: did you type make modules_install? |
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| 21:23.42 | wols_ | sander_: cause it changed |
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| 21:24.00 | sander_ | wols_, do you know what I should do instead then? |
| 21:24.10 | riz_ | wols_ yes: make all && make modules_install |
| 21:24.16 | wols_ | sander_ther is an updated fwcutter in sid. do a simple sid backport |
| 21:24.27 | wols_ | or edit the fwcutter script and hand it the right url, etc |
| 21:24.36 | wols_ | riz_: then you are on your own. have fun |
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| 21:24.56 | wols_ | riz_: maybe educate yourself and look what kernel-package is |
| 21:25.10 | Seivan| | Tramp: how would you add it in crontab and what variabel? |
| 21:25.11 | dav7 | hi. What's Compiz Fusion called in the repository, and how might I download everything related to it? |
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| 21:25.25 | wols_ | dav7: what debian version? |
| 21:25.28 | dav7 | uh |
| 21:25.28 | streuner | its the latest stuff |
| 21:25.39 | elmo40 | wols_: you always ask that ;) |
| 21:25.40 | Tramp | Seivan|: I refuse to help you unless you read man 5 crontab. |
| 21:25.44 | dav7 | wols_: Etch |
| 21:25.47 | streuner | beryl and compiz joined together.... |
| 21:25.51 | wols_ | elmo40: cause the answer changes depending on the debian branch |
| 21:26.00 | Seivan| | Tramp: Idid?1 |
| 21:26.04 | koolhead17 | heh |
| 21:26.14 | elmo40 | wols_: i understand. You have a point, though... perfect 'starter' reply question. |
| 21:26.23 | Seivan| | tramp so I should use "" but that didnt work either |
| 21:26.25 | sander_ | wols_, do you know what the right url is.. and where that script resides? |
| 21:26.30 | wols_ | dav7: what videocard? |
| 21:27.10 | dav7 | oh |
| 21:27.10 | dav7 | it uses the ati driver, that much I know |
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| 21:27.11 | wols_ | sander_: no I dunno the new url and man dpkg to find out the script |
| 21:27.12 | dav7 | is there some kind of test I can get this friend to do to see if acceleration is enabled? |
| 21:27.12 | wols_ | dav7: glxinfo |
| 21:27.15 | dav7 | okay... what am I looking for? |
| 21:27.22 | dav7 | (in the output) |
| 21:27.22 | wols_ | dav7: and etch lacks ther "user interfaec" for compiz to configure it |
| 21:27.29 | dav7 | no ccsm? |
| 21:27.35 | Tramp | Seivan|: *sigh" Your error-mail tells you the USER environment variable is missing. man crontab tells you "An environment setting is of the form, name = value" so what exactly is it you do not understand?? |
| 21:27.58 | wols_ | man Tramp he's an ubuntu user. what did you expect? |
| 21:28.05 | wols_ | -man |
| 21:28.23 | Seivan| | tramp taht I should add name = user |
| 21:28.28 | elmo40 | wols_: i cant even find glxinfo! is it a mesa tool? |
| 21:28.29 | Tramp | wols_: oh, didn't know that ... |
| 21:29.04 | Tramp | Seivan|: no. "USER = seivan" - or whatever the user is. |
| 21:29.11 | wols_ | elmo40: mesa-utils |
| 21:29.26 | dav7 | so... what am I looking for in glxinfo's output? |
| 21:29.37 | wols_ | direct rendering |
| 21:29.40 | dav7 | okay thanks |
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| 21:29.55 | Seivan| | Tramp: how do I geto ut of help now? |
| 21:29.59 | Seivan| | Tramp: out of help |
| 21:30.08 | wols_ | Seivan|: manpages. cool stuff |
| 21:30.31 | Tramp | Seivan|: I dunno. Maybe just hit "q" |
| 21:30.39 | dav7 | okay, my friend says that glxinfo wasn't found... what might its package name be? |
| 21:31.02 | wols_ | @tell dav7 about search |
| 21:31.02 | Seivan| | Tramp: didnt work :( |
| 21:31.12 | Tramp | Seivan|: What is "help"?? |
| 21:31.24 | Tramp | Except a Beatles tune. |
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| 21:31.32 | Marquel | good morning |
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| 21:31.39 | elmo40 | 5759 frames in 5.0 seconds = 1151.658 FPS <-- Not too bad... Only 64Mb ATI card :-\ |
| 21:32.02 | Seivan| | Tramp: I get a bad minute error |
| 21:32.03 | wols_ | elmo40: glxgears is no benchmark |
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| 21:32.11 | elmo40 | so i have been told |
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| 21:32.39 | Marquel | is there a simple way to switch etch back to static /dev (no udev?) |
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| 21:33.28 | wols_ | Marquel: don't start udev? |
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| 21:33.34 | Tramp | Seivan|: pastebin the crontab you have |
| 21:33.40 | Tramp | !tell Seivan| about paste |
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| 21:33.52 | bradleycordes | I need to install debian on a laptop via PXE |
| 21:33.55 | Marquel | wols_: is that all i need to do? |
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| 21:34.18 | Seivan| | Tramp: I have @reboot /usr/bin/tightvncserver :1 and a new line and USER = seivan |
| 21:34.35 | elmo40 | bradleycordes: enjoy :) It is possible... but does the nic handle PXE boot? |
| 21:34.55 | elmo40 | bradleycordes: you also need a Debian server to boot from, so you need it already installed onto something |
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| 21:34.56 | bradleycordes | Yes |
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| 21:35.36 | bradleycordes | I have tftp-hpa and hd dhcpd3-server installed but that's as far as I can get |
| 21:35.43 | StarkD | Hey. I'm trying to watch a DVD. At first it looked good in Totem, but after playing it in VLC the picture is scrambled. I've installed libdvdcss2 & w32codecs and been googling for an answer without success... any ideas? |
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| 21:35.58 | petemc | bradleycordes: which guide are you following? |
| 21:36.23 | bradleycordes | petemc:http://d-i.alioth.debian.org/manual/en.i386/ch04s06.html#ftn.id311322 |
| 21:37.07 | elmo40 | StarkD: have DVD's played on that machine before with no problem? |
| 21:37.15 | Seivan| | Tramp: ?= |
| 21:37.34 | Tramp | Seivan|: hmm. Put the USER= seivan line first. It is usually done this way (although I can't see a note in the manpage that variable-assignments have to come first...) |
| 21:38.17 | StarkD | elmo40: yes, earlier today. But it got scrambled after using VLC |
| 21:38.38 | petemc | bradleycordes: you might want to google for debian pxe install for a more verbose guide |
| 21:38.51 | petemc | bradleycordes: its not hard, theres just a few things you need to get right |
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| 21:40.43 | felix_da_catz | Is there a good guide for the Debian 4 and static ips? All of the other guides I have found are not working for some reason. |
| 21:40.53 | bradleycordes | petemc, If you've done it before can you walk me through it? |
| 21:41.00 | abrotman | felix_da_catz: man 5 interfaces |
| 21:41.12 | bradleycordes | I've been trying to find a good how-to for a while |
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| 21:41.30 | petemc | bradleycordes: ive not done it enough to commit it to memory, but its well documented |
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| 21:42.19 | petemc | bradleycordes: find a better guide, if you get stuck, i or someone else can probably help |
| 21:42.56 | sander_ | Which file do I put bcm43xx so I dont need to say modprobe bcm43xx everytime my system starts? |
| 21:43.03 | Marquel | and another possibly real stupid question: is there a nice tool to manage links in /etc/rc?.d? |
| 21:43.21 | Seivan| | Tramp: Dude should I use "USER = Seivan" or USER = Seivan, I get bad minute error with the first one |
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| 21:43.29 | abrotman | Marquel: update-rc.d |
| 21:43.49 | abrotman | WOOHOO! |
| 21:44.18 | petemc | whats nj famouse for? |
| 21:44.22 | Tramp | Seivan|: the second. oh lord. If somebody quotes something in IRC it is usually just to seperate it from the rest of the text. ... |
| 21:44.25 | petemc | other than sopranos |
| 21:44.37 | abrotman | petemc: smelling funny? |
| 21:44.40 | chops | If anyone's considering using CrushFTP as a server for some reason: Don't. It doesn't include recently uploaded files in its directory listing, which confuses the hell out of curlftpfs. |
| 21:44.46 | petemc | abrotman: sounds about right |
| 21:44.49 | abrotman | hehe |
| 21:44.54 | Tramp | Seivan|: That also should make clear, why I asked you to pastebin. Because in your first reply you did not mention, that you included the fscking quotes!! |
| 21:44.57 | abrotman | petemc: and the diving horse! |
| 21:45.06 | Seivan| | Tramp: yeah I know but i just read 5 contrab |
| 21:45.08 | dalias | chops, are you sure that's not just standard behavior due to permissions? |
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| 21:45.10 | Seivan| | it said I should quote. |
| 21:45.23 | Marquel | abrotman: thx :) |
| 21:45.31 | dalias | chops, anyway i would recommend never installing any ftpd except vsftpd. ftps is hard to get right and all the crap ones are full of vulns |
| 21:45.33 | Tramp | Seivan|: No. It said you should quote the value when you want to preserver leading spaces. |
| 21:45.51 | chops | dalias: Nope. The file appears several operations later. Also, saying "del foo" and then "dir" still shows foo in the directory listing. |
| 21:46.00 | chops | dalias: The summary is: it's broken, badly. |
| 21:46.16 | dalias | weird |
| 21:46.37 | chops | dalias: ("foo" in the "del foo" example disappears a few operations later, too) |
| 21:47.00 | dalias | i understand |
| 21:47.12 | chops | dalias: At a guess, it's doing some sort of caching or multithreading, but failing at it |
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| 21:47.29 | dalias | i just thought, often ftp incoming directory is setup to be mode 1766 or such |
| 21:47.35 | dalias | to prevent warez trading on it |
| 21:47.52 | dalias | yeah |
| 21:47.57 | chops | dalias: I thought adding sleep(2) at a strategic point in curlftpfs would help, but it seems to take file operations, not time, to make the server wake up and refresh its directory listings |
| 21:48.01 | chops | It's so strange |
| 21:48.01 | dalias | i think your analysis is probably correct here |
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| 21:49.17 | Asmooh | hey |
| 21:49.19 | Asmooh | i wonder |
| 21:49.27 | Asmooh | does debian use 4 cores if u have 4? |
| 21:49.30 | johndoevodka | This question may be a bit off topic but how do I disable join/part messages in XChat? |
| 21:49.42 | dondelelcaro | Asmooh: if you're using an SMP kernel, yes. |
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| 21:50.00 | Asmooh | dondelelcaro, hmm okay |
| 21:50.14 | abrotman | johndoevodka: right click on the channel tab |
| 21:50.34 | Seivan| | Thanks Tramp |
| 21:50.39 | johndoevodka | abrotman: anything more permanent? :) |
| 21:50.48 | abrotman | johndoevodka: look in the settings? |
| 21:50.48 | Tramp | Seivan|: so it finally works? |
| 21:50.50 | abrotman | ask #xchat? |
| 21:50.54 | Seivan| | Tramp: yeah |
| 21:50.58 | johndoevodka | ok |
| 21:51.17 | abrotman | johndoevodka: in the preferences there's a checkbox for it |
| 21:51.48 | johndoevodka | abrotman: i guess im blind or really tired. should get some sleep |
| 21:52.15 | Marquel | thanks to all of you :) |
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| 21:56.47 | johndoevodka | found it, its /set irc_conf_mode 1 |
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| 21:57.58 | Shinha | Hi, i am new and i want to learn how to program (sorry if you can t understand me, i speak spanish) |
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| 21:58.23 | ssdd | hi, for some reason sudo is not prompting me for a password seems like password never expires can someone help? |
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| 21:58.46 | Caemyr | hiya |
| 21:58.48 | johndoevodka | Shinha: do you have any previous programming experience? |
| 21:58.57 | Shinha | no |
| 21:59.11 | johndoevodka | Shinha: have you heard of any programming languages? |
| 21:59.16 | Shinha | Yes |
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| 21:59.22 | johndoevodka | which ones? |
| 21:59.30 | Shinha | Ruby, Pascal, Python, C, C++, Java and Perl |
| 21:59.49 | abrotman | Python is probably the easiesty |
| 21:59.53 | abrotman | of tohse anyways |
| 21:59.58 | Eulex | yeah, java or python |
| 22:00.12 | Eulex | I dislike to say it, though |
| 22:00.12 | johndoevodka | i know only pascal, c and c++ of those |
| 22:00.18 | Shinha | Good |
| 22:00.28 | Shinha | Can you recommend a book or a link? |
| 22:00.54 | Ronin | hard to go wrong with the o'reilly book series |
| 22:00.55 | Shinha | If is in english there isn t a problem |
| 22:01.10 | Eulex | Shinha, try asking in a channel for the language you want a book for |
| 22:01.34 | johndoevodka | join #python |
| 22:01.46 | Shinha | Oks, thanks!!! |
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| 22:05.29 | BlueToothz | <PROTECTED> |
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| 22:05.51 | Ronin | BlueToothz: debian |
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| 22:06.01 | BlueToothz | Ronin :) ty |
| 22:06.20 | Caemyr | BlueToothz: just be easy on Xserver |
| 22:06.23 | Petur_ | Hi, Debian fails to detect the properties of my harddrive so i must set the manually. The drive has: 10 physical heads, 7501 Cylinders (user), 75010 Tracks, 17783240 sectors per drive. .. i just did `fdisk /dev/sdb` and hit "s" for 's - create a new empty Sun disklabel', It asks me questions about the disk.. one of them is "Sectors/track (1-1024, default 32):" .. given the |
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| 22:07.40 | Ronin | Caemyr: p2 350 640mb ram? should be fine for them all |
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| 22:07.59 | Ronin | just dont run all the sexy bells and whistles in kde and gnome |
| 22:08.07 | maux | hey, i am trying to config. a home network. i set up eth1 as 192.168.0.1 and sysctl.conf ipfoward yes. now, i am trying to set up a dhcp server, but it complains |
| 22:08.23 | Caemyr | how it complains? |
| 22:08.24 | maux | Dec 5 19:08:37 maux dhcpd: No subnet declaration for eth1 (192.168.0.1). |
| 22:08.25 | maux | Dec 5 19:08:37 maux dhcpd: ** Ignoring requests on eth1. If this is not what |
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| 22:08.50 | maux | Caemyr: buut, i have this subnet set up at dhcp server file: http://paste.milk-it.net/127 |
| 22:09.13 | maux | ops |
| 22:09.16 | maux | i think i found |
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| 22:09.24 | Caemyr | :) |
| 22:09.59 | maux | Caemyr: did u get it ? |
| 22:10.08 | Caemyr | nope |
| 22:10.33 | Tramp | maux: is this a quiz or do you want the answer? |
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| 22:10.53 | maux | Tramp: i think i got the answer, as soon as i asked caemyr to take a look on it |
| 22:10.59 | Asmooh | is there a way to have a clone of your destkop at your tv? with tvout? |
| 22:11.01 | maux | i am trying now |
| 22:11.02 | Tramp | maux: well then. |
| 22:11.03 | Caemyr | dont bother |
| 22:11.11 | Caemyr | i`m quite new here |
| 22:12.35 | maux | ok, now i dunno whats happening |
| 22:13.03 | Seivan| | Does anyone know how to change the resolution of the VNCserver? |
| 22:13.11 | maux | /etc/dhcp3/dhcpd.conf line 31: subnet 192.168.0.1 netmask 255.255.255.0: bad subnet number/mask combination. |
| 22:13.11 | maux | subnet 192.168.0.1 netmask 255.255.255.0 |
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| 22:13.56 | Tramp | maux: the subnet is 0.0 |
| 22:14.07 | maux | Tramp: got it :) thanks |
| 22:14.26 | maux | Tramp: should it only "Dec 5 19:22:23 maux dhcpd: Wrote 0 leases to leases file." ? |
| 22:14.27 | dutchfish | Seivan|, change /usr/bin/vncserver to your needs |
| 22:15.03 | Tramp | maux: looks good - though I have little experience with dhcpd - just some with networks. |
| 22:15.14 | maux | i will try it |
| 22:15.17 | K|NgGh0sT | Looks like my drive is failing, and I want to recover some of the data. I was wondering what dd_rescue does if my replacement disk is larger? |
| 22:15.40 | Seivan| | dutchfish: where do I do that |
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| 22:16.27 | dutchfish | Seivan|, vncserver -geometry 800x600 (or whatever resolution you prefer) |
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| 22:17.31 | ^Timo^ | Hi fellows |
| 22:17.33 | ^Timo^ | i got a problem |
| 22:17.42 | ^Timo^ | i am trying to let dovecot workz |
| 22:17.49 | ^Timo^ | but am getting this problem |
| 22:17.59 | ^Timo^ | Fatal: Can't use SSL CA file /etc/ssl/ca.pem: No such file or directory |
| 22:18.04 | ^Timo^ | what to do next? |
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| 22:18.14 | dutchfish | !ssl |
| 22:18.14 | dpkg | methinks secure sockets layer is (SSL) This is a protocol specified by Netscape that allows for "secure" passage of data. It uses public key encryption, including digital certificates and digital signatures, to pass data between a browser and a server, or more generally, all sorts of network clients and the respective servers. It is an open standard and most modern browsers support it. |
| 22:18.38 | dutchfish | you need to create ssl certificate |
| 22:18.46 | ^Timo^ | how doi do |
| 22:18.50 | ^Timo^ | its for dovecot |
| 22:18.54 | ^Timo^ | imapd server |
| 22:19.00 | ^Timo^ | -d |
| 22:19.09 | ^Timo^ | i have a file called |
| 22:19.16 | ^Timo^ | http://dovecot.org/doc/mkcert.sh |
| 22:19.27 | ^Timo^ | but don't know how to use it |
| 22:19.37 | ^Timo^ | and where to store... |
| 22:19.49 | wols_ | ^Timo^: why aren't you using the debian packages? |
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| 22:20.21 | ^Timo^ | cuz |
| 22:20.23 | ^Timo^ | its old |
| 22:20.32 | ^Timo^ | and i want to have the latest dovecot |
| 22:20.33 | ^Timo^ | version |
| 22:20.36 | dutchfish | ^Timo^, http://www.cyberciti.biz/faq/unix-dovecot-ssl-tls-server-configuration/ |
| 22:20.45 | wols_ | if you don't want to use debian software, then ask the people which give you your software |
| 22:20.55 | wols_ | and don't misuse the enter key please |
| 22:20.56 | Asmooh | anyonw knows how to get tvout? or a clone of my desktop on the tv |
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| 22:22.09 | SamuraiDio | hi |
| 22:22.19 | SamuraiDio | how do i configure my Debina as a gateway? |
| 22:22.29 | dutchfish | !debina |
| 22:22.29 | dpkg | [debina] debian when you're typing too fast, or see "debain" |
| 22:22.37 | Ronin | hey dpkg is back |
| 22:22.38 | SamuraiDio | Debian |
| 22:22.38 | linxeh | SamuraiDio: I hear reading is a good start |
| 22:22.40 | SamuraiDio | sorry |
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| 22:23.07 | SamuraiDio | i just need to connect another pc to the internet through this one |
| 22:23.34 | linxeh | http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-gateway.en.html |
| 22:23.42 | dutchfish | SamuraiDio, http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/263 |
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| 22:24.07 | lubos | simple question..where is "cd" command located ? what directory? "which cd" does not help. thanks |
| 22:24.20 | linxeh | man, how do people find IRC if they dont know how to use google ? |
| 22:24.24 | ^Timo^ | hmm hmm... |
| 22:24.29 | linxeh | lubos: part of your shell |
| 22:24.29 | ^Timo^ | whats the meaning of this |
| 22:24.30 | ^Timo^ | Next you must set PEM encoded X.509 SSL/TLS certificate and private key. They’re opened before dropping root privileges, so keep the key file unreadable by anyone but root (see how create certificate CSR and configure certificates for Postfix): |
| 22:24.30 | ^Timo^ | ssl_cert_file = /etc/postfix/ssl/smtp.theos.in.crt |
| 22:24.30 | ^Timo^ | ssl_key_file = /etc/postfix/ssl/smtp.theos.in.key |
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| 22:24.34 | ^Timo^ | sory |
| 22:24.36 | ^Timo^ | . |
| 22:24.38 | ^Timo^ | pastebin ? |
| 22:24.39 | Ronin | linxeh: heh you need to be here longer, wait till you see the ubuntu questions |
| 22:24.46 | Ronin | ^Timo^: #dovecot |
| 22:24.47 | linxeh | Ronin: I have :o |
| 22:24.58 | linxeh | lubos: it might be in /usr/bin or /bin too |
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| 22:25.59 | lubos | linxeh: its not there.. when using "system" in perl script I cannot execute cd command :-) |
| 22:26.14 | linxeh | why do you want to execute cd command ? |
| 22:26.37 | linxeh | surely you just want to call chdir ? |
| 22:26.42 | ^Timo^ | nobody is responding on #dovecot |
| 22:26.43 | ^Timo^ | :( |
| 22:26.56 | ^Timo^ | anyone who can help me here ? |
| 22:27.01 | ^Timo^ | who = that |
| 22:27.08 | ^Timo^ | both ;p |
| 22:27.12 | Ronin | ^Timo^: sure aptitude install dovecot |
| 22:27.23 | lubos | linxeh: thanks man... learning everyday :-) |
| 22:27.41 | Ronin | ^Timo^: then be patient in #dovecot, same as here |
| 22:27.44 | linxeh | lubos: http://unix.org.ua/orelly/perl/sysadmin/ch02_03.htm |
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| 22:27.59 | BlueToothz | all these sites are slow for downloading debian. |
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| 22:28.30 | linxeh | BlueToothz: which sites? |
| 22:28.35 | BlueToothz | linxeh, for debian |
| 22:28.43 | linxeh | which ? |
| 22:28.43 | ^Timo^ | Ronin : it seems to easy ;p and i have already installed the latest dovecot maybe i can check which version is avalible on aptitude sources |
| 22:29.03 | linxeh | BlueToothz: http://www.debian.org/mirror/list ? |
| 22:29.04 | Ronin | ^Timo^: in any case it's like wols_ said though |
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| 22:29.16 | Ronin | BlueToothz: and what are you getting from them? |
| 22:29.23 | linxeh | BlueToothz: there are like 20 US mirrors |
| 22:29.42 | BlueToothz | Ronin, the OS of debian for my 2nd computer |
| 22:30.04 | linxeh | BlueToothz: what file are you downloading, and from where ? |
| 22:30.04 | Ronin | BlueToothz: i meant what as in cds? dvds? net install? all the cds etc. |
| 22:30.14 | lubos | linxeh: chdir is part of shell as well.. I use the your other solution..thanks again |
| 22:30.28 | ^Timo^ | hmm hmmm wols sayd what ? |
| 22:30.37 | linxeh | lubos: I meant use the perl function chdir (in the cwd package iirc) |
| 22:30.38 | SamuraiDio | could someone just show me how to allow any computer from behind this one to access the internet? i just need it to download and install debian into my laptop |
| 22:30.50 | Ronin | 18:20:35] <wols_> if you don't want to use debian software, then ask the people which give you your software |
| 22:30.50 | linxeh | SamuraiDio: just read and ye shall learn |
| 22:31.09 | linxeh | SamuraiDio: alternatively you could buy some consultancy time ? |
| 22:31.12 | linxeh | :o |
| 22:31.22 | SamuraiDio | linxeh, i dont need to know how to make an internet provider now |
| 22:31.29 | SamuraiDio | :( |
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| 22:31.51 | linxeh | SamuraiDio: so read one of the many guides on the internet for setting up a "debian firewall" or "debian nat router" etc |
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| 22:32.04 | archpollux | hi all |
| 22:32.08 | ^Timo^ | yeah yeah |
| 22:32.09 | ^Timo^ | but |
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| 22:32.14 | archpollux | i'm using x11vnc and the visual buffer in my vnc client is much bigger vertically than the actual resolution of the X server, anybody has a clue about what's going on? |
| 22:32.17 | ^Timo^ | where can i see |
| 22:32.27 | linxeh | oh wow, "debian internet sharing" comes up with the goods in the first hit! |
| 22:32.36 | ^Timo^ | which version of dovecot is installed with apt-get of aptitude ? |
| 22:32.42 | ^Timo^ | it gives 3 packages |
| 22:32.43 | linxeh | SamuraiDio: http://www.aboutdebian.com/network.htm |
| 22:32.50 | linxeh | SamuraiDio: seriously, READ |
| 22:33.09 | archpollux | ^Timo^: the latest one, which is shown first |
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| 22:33.15 | abrotman | &ipmasq |
| 22:33.16 | aptitude | If all you want is NAT (internet connection sharing), aptitude install ipmasq; and be happy. Otherwise learn about it at http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/IP-Masquerade-HOWTO/index.html |
| 22:33.21 | abrotman | dpkg: wb |
| 22:33.21 | dpkg | thanks, abrotman. It's good to be back. |
| 22:33.26 | archpollux | ^Timo^: are you looking at apt-cache show output? |
| 22:33.30 | beered | How do I auto complete a command I used before? I know I used a 'find' command but I can't remember entire syntax. Is there a way to autocomplete commands from history? |
| 22:33.34 | ^Timo^ | yes |
| 22:33.42 | abrotman | beered: ask #bash .. yes |
| 22:33.42 | ^Timo^ | archpollux. |
| 22:33.51 | archpollux | beered: Control-R and then type find |
| 22:33.54 | BlueToothz | Ronin, sory. cds. |
| 22:34.00 | BlueToothz | im in the main/ directory |
| 22:34.05 | BlueToothz | i only see Packagez.gz |
| 22:34.22 | Ronin | BlueToothz: you only really need cd 1 and get the rest off the net, or better yet the net installer is one mini cd |
| 22:34.24 | archpollux | beered: subsequent Control-R's will search further in history |
| 22:34.34 | Ronin | BlueToothz: im guessing your not downloading an iso then? |
| 22:34.37 | beered | archpollux: awesome! |
| 22:34.44 | BlueToothz | Ronin, i am. |
| 22:34.57 | SamuraiDio | linxeh, ok, but just a question... just pluging two pcs and seting the ip addresses would allow the pc to ping each other? |
| 22:35.10 | linxeh | SamuraiDio: assuming you have a crossover cable |
| 22:35.20 | dkr | SamuraiDio: you'd need to use a crosso...darn, beaten to it. :) |
| 22:35.21 | abrotman | &ipmasq |
| 22:35.22 | aptitude | If all you want is NAT (internet connection sharing), aptitude install ipmasq; and be happy. Otherwise learn about it at http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/IP-Masquerade-HOWTO/index.html |
| 22:35.31 | linxeh | SamuraiDio: or modern network cards (usually gigabit) can auto sense this and you can use a normal cable instead |
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| 22:36.12 | linxeh | heh, a RedHat engineer at work tried to tell us that using a crossover cable would shorten the life of the network cards |
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| 22:36.44 | linxeh | we laughed and installed debian in front of him :o |
| 22:37.00 | archpollux | hahahaha |
| 22:37.02 | linxeh | and then laughed more with the ease we could install and configure packages |
| 22:37.23 | john_scrotum | network cards are dirt cheap anyway... so even if there was any validity in that claim... who cares? |
| 22:37.25 | Ronin | linxeh: crossover shortens life of nics??? |
| 22:37.31 | Ronin | heh |
| 22:37.50 | dkr | abrotman: heh, i was gonna say that version of howto looks old but netfilter.org's nat howto was last modified 2002 |
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| 22:37.59 | abrotman | and it hasn't really changed |
| 22:38.17 | dkr | nod, just feels a bit odd saying stuff like, "in the brand new 2.4 kernels" |
| 22:38.30 | abrotman | aptitude install ipmasq .. have a nice day :) |
| 22:38.39 | kshah | Intel Pentium D means d/l the i386 iso, right? |
| 22:38.59 | abrotman | or amd64 IIRC |
| 22:39.04 | abrotman | probably depends on the actual model |
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| 22:39.45 | darkx^ | hi |
| 22:39.56 | ^Timo^ | hmm hmmm |
| 22:40.02 | ^Timo^ | what to do |
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| 22:40.05 | maux | abrotman: only ipmasq and is it all magically set up? |
| 22:40.16 | maux | abrotman: dont i have to read doc? |
| 22:40.19 | abrotman | maux: probably ought to read a bit :) |
| 22:40.22 | ^Timo^ | how can i see the version that apt-get/aptitude has ? |
| 22:40.25 | ^Timo^ | its shows |
| 22:40.27 | abrotman | apt-cache policy |
| 22:40.32 | ^Timo^ | p dovecot-common - secure mail server that supports mbox and maildir mailboxes |
| 22:40.33 | ^Timo^ | p dovecot-imapd - secure IMAP server that supports mbox and maildir mailboxes |
| 22:40.33 | ^Timo^ | p dovecot-pop3d - secure POP3 server that supports mbox and maildir mailboxes |
| 22:40.41 | ^Timo^ | hmmm hmmm |
| 22:40.43 | darkx^ | i can't save from FF to a mounted usb-disk |
| 22:40.46 | ^Timo^ | sorry for the flood guys |
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| 22:41.23 | john_scrotum | timo: man apt :) |
| 22:41.27 | Ronin | ^Timo^: packages.debian.org |
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| 22:41.48 | Sam1337 | http://www.notafront.org/~agit/compilation/imgpages/image060.html |
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| 22:42.03 | john_scrotum | timo: apt-get policy [package] |
| 22:42.07 | K|NgGh0sT | I was wondering what would happen if I dd_rescue and my replacement disk is larger? |
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| 22:42.13 | ^Timo^ | Ronin : should that be better then the original package from release site ? |
| 22:42.28 | john_scrotum | timo: apt-cache policy [packake] sorry |
| 22:42.39 | abrotman | john_scrotum: man irc .. learn nicktab |
| 22:42.43 | Ronin | dont know i dont run dovecot but it will greatly increase your chances of getting help here |
| 22:42.50 | kshah | I'm dumping ubu in hopes it'll be easier to set up RoR/Apache/Mongrel with straight up Deb |
| 22:42.53 | Ronin | abrotman: have to admit though the ^ are freaking annoying |
| 22:42.58 | abrotman | Ronin: no shit ... |
| 22:43.04 | abrotman | !stupidnicktab Ronin |
| 22:43.08 | abrotman | bah .. hrm |
| 22:43.10 | Ronin | heh |
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| 22:43.54 | abrotman | !stupid nickcomplete Ronin |
| 22:43.54 | dpkg | /°¤> Ronin <¤°\ Isn't my nick complete really annoying? |
| 22:43.55 | abrotman | ha! |
| 22:44.09 | john_scrotum | abrotman: no thanks... I don't care about nicktab. |
| 22:44.14 | john_scrotum | :P |
| 22:44.30 | abrotman | john_scrotum: what makes you think he saw a single one of your messages .. what's the point of even typing a partial .. it won't highlight him |
| 22:44.45 | maux | abrotman: well, it magically worked :) thanks. i tried to take a look at the user's manual but it was useless after i 'mtr' from the client :) |
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| 22:44.54 | abrotman | ok |
| 22:44.55 | ^Timo^ | hmm hmmm. |
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| 22:45.14 | ^Timo^ | so i should it install with dpkg ? |
| 22:45.35 | ^Timo^ | from the packages site on debian.packages.com ? |
| 22:45.36 | john_scrotum | abrotman: if he doesn't see my messages, he doesn't see my messages. I don't really care. |
| 22:45.43 | abrotman | then why bother at all |
| 22:46.14 | Ronin | kind of defeats the whole purpose john_scrotum |
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| 22:46.29 | Ronin | ^Timo^: no you go aptitude install foo |
| 22:47.38 | ^Timo^ | hmm hmm okay |
| 22:47.42 | ^Timo^ | so |
| 22:47.45 | ^Timo^ | i must install |
| 22:47.46 | Ronin | !enter |
| 22:47.46 | dpkg | The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter unecessarily makes it difficult to follow what you are saying. Consider using ',', '. ', ';', '...', '---', or ':' instead. |
| 22:47.54 | ^Timo^ | the package direct from aptitude |
| 22:47.55 | ^Timo^ | ;/ |
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| 22:48.04 | ^Timo^ | should that be better |
| 22:48.16 | ^Timo^ | then running latest stable version from releaser |
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| 22:48.54 | linxeh | Ronin: apparently :o |
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| 22:49.02 | naiv | how do i look, if i got IA32 or IA64 ? i have a core2 duo E4600 |
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| 22:49.29 | linxeh | john_scrotum: re: price of cards - yep - although some of the better ones are expensive (these were £150 intel dual-port gig-e things) |
| 22:49.38 | linxeh | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:49.38 | john_scrotum | if you're using testing, it's aptitude safe-install [package] 'install' is deprecated. But it will still work for now. |
| 22:49.52 | naiv | good thank you |
| 22:50.04 | linxeh | naiv: however, unless you have more than 2GB ram I would run 32bit |
| 22:50.13 | Trewas | naiv: you have ia32 and amd64, NOT ia64 |
| 22:50.26 | linxeh | Trewas: oops, sorry my bad I misread :O |
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| 22:50.44 | linxeh | x86_64 or EM64T or whatever it is |
| 22:50.57 | mib_force | is there any way to log all msgs which are outputted from grub on? |
| 22:50.58 | naiv | so i got ia32 right ? |
| 22:50.59 | Trewas | yea, ia64 would be itanium which is completely different |
| 22:51.07 | blahblahx | compared to other desktop linux distros, how stable is sid? |
| 22:51.16 | Ronin | blahblahx: depends on the day |
| 22:51.18 | johndoevodka | whats the memory limit on 64 bit architecture? |
| 22:51.22 | blahblahx | Ronin: uhh in general? |
| 22:51.27 | blahblahx | Ronin: what would it compare to? |
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| 22:51.34 | mib_force | so i select my boot image in grub, and every message after that gets logged to some file |
| 22:51.44 | linxeh | johndoevodka: more than you can hope to afford any time soon |
| 22:51.56 | john_scrotum | disregard everything that I say! I'm not thinking clearly at the moment. So I'm just gonna stop until I am thinking clearly. |
| 22:52.00 | linxeh | john_scrotum: 16exabytes or something |
| 22:52.01 | Ronin | blahblahx: basically if you have to ask you shouldnt :) |
| 22:52.07 | naiv | This site propose IA32 or IA64, http://www.nvidia.fr/object/linux_fr.html |
| 22:52.25 | blahblahx | Ronin: no im wondering, i dont plan on using it in an important environment |
| 22:52.33 | linxeh | naiv: install IA32 / x86 if you have less than 4GB ram tbh |
| 22:52.49 | Ronin | blahblahx: no idea, but im serious it depends on the day some times how stable it is |
| 22:52.59 | naiv | ok thank you again, i have 2GB |
| 22:53.03 | blahblahx | ok |
| 22:53.32 | Enverex | Is anyone here using the nVidia 169.04 drivers? I need to check something |
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| 22:54.20 | linxeh | johndoevodka: 16 exabytes... |
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| 22:54.48 | johndoevodka | linxeh: i doubt humans will ever reach that limit :) |
| 22:55.08 | Ronin | johndoevodka: famous last words |
| 22:55.14 | linxeh | johndoevodka: bill gates said that in the 80's about 640k |
| 22:55.20 | Ronin | linxeh: exactly |
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| 22:55.27 | ^Timo^ | hmm hmm |
| 22:55.32 | ^Timo^ | anyone can help me with this |
| 22:55.33 | ^Timo^ | eveytime |
| 22:55.35 | linxeh | right now I can easily fill 2TB of ram |
| 22:55.35 | ^Timo^ | i am using |
| 22:55.43 | ^Timo^ | apt or aptitude |
| 22:55.44 | apt | i heard aptitude is a powerful and flexible package manager which is not afraid to experiment with new ideas. http://aptitude.sourceforge.net, or 'apt-get install aptitude', or http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2003/debian-devel-200307/msg02135.html |
| 22:55.45 | linxeh | and more would be nice :) |
| 22:55.47 | ^Timo^ | i am getting this |
| 22:55.47 | ^Timo^ | http://pastebin.ca/806801 |
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| 22:55.56 | Ronin | ^Timo^: no ones going to help you if you dont stop abusing the enter key |
| 22:56.04 | Ronin | ^Timo^: type more hit enter less |
| 22:56.05 | johndoevodka | you can put 2 TB of RAM into your computer? |
| 22:56.17 | linxeh | johndoevodka: on our servers, yes |
| 22:56.40 | johndoevodka | linxeh: thats freakin nice, just where do you work :-) |
| 22:56.52 | linxeh | ^Timo^: you need to read this - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sentence_%28linguistics%29 |
| 22:56.56 | Ronin | he could tell you but then hed have to kill you johndoevodka |
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| 22:57.38 | linxeh | johndoevodka: some large organisation. its just an off the shelf HP superdome |
| 22:57.52 | dooooo | Having a problem : LIBXML2_INCLUDE_DIR-NOTFOUND / any help |
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| 22:58.00 | dkr | apparently a british one, since it's not an organization. :) |
| 22:58.16 | johndoevodka | hehe |
| 22:58.22 | Caemyr | doooo: try to paste whole line |
| 22:58.31 | linxeh | dkr: indeed - but you could deduce that from my hostname too ;-) |
| 22:58.33 | dkr | he's MI6, run! |
| 22:58.40 | dkr | linxeh: bah, that's boring. :) |
| 22:58.44 | linxeh | MI6 don't exist :) |
| 22:59.24 | bucky | dooooo, dpkg -l libxml2-dev |
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| 23:00.46 | Caemyr | better use apt |
| 23:00.54 | bucky | the libxml2 include directory can't be found because libxml2-dev isn't installed |
| 23:01.10 | dooooo | There is no lines - I'm using cmake to compile a source package / it couldn't find libxml2 - I ran cmake -i (wizard mode with advanced options) / that was the missed parameter "LIBXML2_INCLUDE_DIR-NOTFOUND" |
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| 23:01.27 | Caemyr | dooooo do you use any apt manager? |
| 23:01.28 | bucky | dooooo, is libxml2-dev installed? |
| 23:01.36 | Caemyr | synaptic or aptitude? |
| 23:01.43 | Caemyr | or simply apt-get |
| 23:01.47 | linxeh | johndoevodka: you can get IBM rack servers that take 256GB ram now iirc |
| 23:01.57 | ^Timo^ | Ronin : ok done :) |
| 23:02.09 | johndoevodka | iirc? |
| 23:02.11 | dooooo | libxml2-dev not installed - thanks |
| 23:02.15 | Ronin | if i recall correctly |
| 23:02.37 | johndoevodka | k |
| 23:02.37 | ^Timo^ | Ronin : know i need to know why i am getting these errors on the http://pastebin.ca/806801 |
| 23:02.56 | GiacomoL | anybody using pykde on etch? I get segfaults trying to do pretty much anything |
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| 23:03.25 | Caemyr | Timo: maybe its stupid, but are you using dpkg from root? |
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| 23:04.26 | ^Timo^ | yes |
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| 23:05.06 | Caemyr | there are issues with root |
| 23:05.14 | Caemyr | you cannot connect to X server |
| 23:05.19 | Caemyr | use sudo |
| 23:06.07 | Ronin | more security then issues |
| 23:06.36 | Caemyr | yeah |
| 23:06.47 | Caemyr | just quit from root mode |
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| 23:15.23 | hectorpal | Hi all!. I add a line like that to my sudoers: myuser ALL= NOPASSWD: /usr/bin/myprogram, but when I do sudo /usr/bin/myprogram it still ask for the password |
| 23:16.03 | stiv2k | hey can gparted resize NTFS partitions??? |
| 23:16.29 | hectorpal | stiv2k, not really sure, but for sure it does inform you before trying to do that |
| 23:16.39 | stiv2k | for some reason partition magic is not working |
| 23:16.41 | stiv2k | i dont know why |
| 23:16.48 | hectorpal | weird |
| 23:17.04 | Caemyr | stiv2k? why? |
| 23:17.11 | Caemyr | what is the error? |
| 23:17.17 | stiv2k | one seconds |
| 23:17.17 | pobega | stiv2k: I think gparted will work with ntfs-3g installed. I'm not 100% sure, though. |
| 23:17.17 | Caemyr | you using PM from win32? |
| 23:17.25 | stiv2k | yeah |
| 23:17.33 | Caemyr | i would be carefull with that pobega |
| 23:17.50 | Caemyr | stiv2k: what`s wrong with pm? |
| 23:17.51 | FastPutty | isit possible to get the adresse map from a ip? |
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| 23:18.12 | pobega | Caemyr: I know, any resizing of ntfs partitions is generally unstable though. |
| 23:18.22 | pobega | At least, from what I understand. I don't normally deal with NTFS, though. |
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| 23:18.29 | stiv2k | it says this |
| 23:18.43 | Caemyr | pobega: its just not a perfect implementation |
| 23:18.53 | Caemyr | not yet |
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| 23:18.56 | stiv2k | Access violation at address 004b8026 in module 'pmagicnt.exe'. Read of address 0000004c |
| 23:19.02 | ohwellok | So I am SSH'd into my Debian box from a Tiger terminal... but it's not letting me send the backpace key |
| 23:19.04 | Caemyr | what pm version? |
| 23:19.06 | pobega | Caemyr: Mmmm, of course. I guess I should've added a warning when I suggested it. |
| 23:19.07 | stiv2k | 8.0 |
| 23:19.09 | Caemyr | what OS? |
| 23:19.12 | Caemyr | :) |
| 23:19.24 | ohwellok | is there a way I can send backspace from a Tiger terminal to Debian over ssh ? |
| 23:19.25 | stiv2k | windows xp |
| 23:19.32 | Caemyr | pobega: would you defragment ext3 partition from within Win32 |
| 23:19.33 | Caemyr | ? |
| 23:19.40 | stiv2k | that makes it a bit too o/t for this channel |
| 23:19.41 | stiv2k | :P |
| 23:19.45 | Caemyr | using win32 ext IFS driver? |
| 23:19.50 | Caemyr | home/pro? |
| 23:19.53 | ohwellok | #wine |
| 23:19.54 | Caemyr | what PM version? |
| 23:19.54 | pobega | Caemyr: Nope. |
| 23:19.54 | stiv2k | pro |
| 23:20.06 | Caemyr | what PM version? |
| 23:20.10 | pobega | ohwellok: I'd check your settings. |
| 23:20.16 | Caemyr | pobega: i second to that:) |
| 23:20.26 | hectorpal | repeating my question: I add a line like that to my sudoers: myuser ALL= NOPASSWD: /usr/bin/myprogram, but when I do sudo /usr/bin/myprogram it still ask for the password |
| 23:20.26 | ohwellok | can you tell me where to check them? |
| 23:20.32 | pobega | ohwellok: Your SSH client may not be sending the return key correctly. I'm SSHed into my Debian box from CompSci class right now :) |
| 23:20.43 | pobega | ohwellok: I wouldn't know, I've never used/heard of Tiger. |
| 23:20.46 | Caemyr | stiv2k: what PM version? |
| 23:20.52 | ohwellok | pobega- Tiger is OS X.4 |
| 23:20.54 | stiv2k | Caemyr: 8.05 |
| 23:21.07 | Caemyr | trial? |
| 23:21.09 | pobega | ohwellok: And you're just using the basic `ssh user@dest` command? |
| 23:21.20 | stiv2k | Caemyr: dont know |
| 23:21.21 | ohwellok | yes |
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| 23:21.27 | Caemyr | where did you get it? |
| 23:21.35 | stiv2k | bittorrent :P |
| 23:21.42 | ohwellok | you may recall OS X has *issues* with delete/backspace |
| 23:21.43 | ohwellok | heh |
| 23:22.06 | pobega | ohwellok: I'd try another SSH client if I were you. Perhaps there is an open-source implentation available from Fink? |
| 23:22.11 | stiv2k | Caemyr: i think i have to move the other partition so the unallocated space is right after my NTFS partition |
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| 23:22.29 | pobega | I wouldn't know about those issues ohwellok, I don't use Apples; My sister's the Apple of the family. |
| 23:22.41 | Caemyr | stiv2k: get rid of PM and get paragon software Partition Manager |
| 23:22.42 | ohwellok | hey that's not a bad idea, although I am using port(s) not fink |
| 23:22.51 | Caemyr | it works a bit better |
| 23:22.59 | stiv2k | Caemyr: free? |
| 23:23.04 | Caemyr | bt |
| 23:23.15 | pobega | Then look in ports :) |
| 23:23.15 | Caemyr | but i dont encourage you to do this |
| 23:23.18 | stiv2k | heh |
| 23:23.19 | stiv2k | its ok |
| 23:23.39 | stiv2k | if the feds knew what i got, partition manager is the least of my worries |
| 23:23.40 | stiv2k | ;) |
| 23:23.48 | ohwellok | I have found where you can fix this just for vi-- its in ~/.vimrc |
| 23:23.49 | Caemyr | still |
| 23:23.53 | Caemyr | trash that one |
| 23:23.55 | Caemyr | get this one |
| 23:23.56 | linxeh | ohwellok: I know this doesnt help, but I've got ssh from leopard into an Ubuntu Edgy box here, and its fine :o |
| 23:23.56 | pobega | I didn't know Mac OSX had ports; Is that the Gentoo implementation of a package manager for OSX? |
| 23:23.58 | Caemyr | and retry |
| 23:24.00 | ohwellok | but not how to fix it in the terminal itself :-( |
| 23:24.02 | stiv2k | Caemyr: will do |
| 23:24.06 | linxeh | pobega: ports is from freebsd |
| 23:24.16 | linxeh | pobega: www.macports.org for the mac version |
| 23:24.26 | Caemyr | stiv2k: stay within win32 if you can |
| 23:24.31 | pobega | linxeh: Ah, I didn't know that existed. |
| 23:24.34 | ohwellok | ya, mac ports (nee Darwin ports) is a *port* of ports to use an expression |
| 23:24.40 | stiv2k | Caemyr: yeah |
| 23:24.42 | Caemyr | ntfs-3g is good, but here lies data integrity issue |
| 23:24.54 | pobega | ohwellok: Look into terminal.app's settings (I think that's the name of the program, excuse me if I'm wrong) |
| 23:24.54 | Caemyr | which is quite a picky bird |
| 23:25.11 | ohwellok | ah that's somewhere to start at least, thanks |
| 23:25.13 | pobega | Perhaps backspace is binded to something else? Does it work *normally* on the terminal? |
| 23:25.45 | pobega | Are you SSH'ing into the box then running screen? That may cause problems, I know Screen makes things weird sometimes. If you are using Screen try it without. |
| 23:25.47 | hectorpal | Repeating my question: I add a line like that to my sudoers: myuser ALL= NOPASSWD: /usr/bin/myprogram, but when I do sudo /usr/bin/myprogram it still ask for the password |
| 23:25.58 | Tramp | hectorpal: What does "sudo -l" show when the user runs it? |
| 23:26.02 | Seivan| | Does anyone how to make a timed reboot, like give it 10 minutes and then reboot, I also wanna be able to stop the reboot |
| 23:26.11 | ohwellok | no I am not running screen although I really dig it |
| 23:26.23 | hectorpal | (root) NOPASSWD: /usr/bin/myprogram |
| 23:26.34 | Tramp | Seivan|: read the manpage for shutdown |
| 23:26.45 | pobega | hectorpal: It shouldn't be asking for the password...What you have should work just fine. |
| 23:26.50 | Seivan| | Tramp: did, shutdown -r -t 120 now but that just shuts it instantly |
| 23:27.05 | Seivan| | Tramp: I want to be able to make it reboot after like 5 minutes, and also able to cancel it |
| 23:27.09 | hectorpal | pobega, I know. It worked in fedora 5 a week ago |
| 23:27.55 | pobega | Maybe truncate the space between the equal sign and NOPASSWD? I'm not sure if sudoers is picky about these things, but it's possible :) |
| 23:27.58 | Tramp | Seivan|: yes. Thats what "now" means. Now. Everything is written in the manpage - and it is a short one. |
| 23:28.18 | hectorpal | pobega: I used visudo to edit the sudoers |
| 23:28.33 | hectorpal | pobega: I have tried it out, anyway |
| 23:28.41 | hectorpal | :-) :-s |
| 23:28.45 | pobega | cat /etc/sudoers to make sure your changes are being saved. |
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| 23:28.51 | hectorpal | done |
| 23:28.53 | Tramp | Seivan|: "-t" means something completely different - you don't need it. And also check "-c". |
| 23:29.00 | pobega | And are the changes there? |
| 23:29.04 | hectorpal | yep |
| 23:29.09 | pobega | Akward. |
| 23:29.16 | Tramp | Seivan|: and, by the way, a minute here has 60 seconds. |
| 23:29.22 | hectorpal | myuser ALL=NOPASSWD: /usr/bin/myprogram |
| 23:29.30 | hectorpal | yeap, weird |
| 23:29.38 | pobega | Which program is it that you're sudoing, if you don't mind me asking. |
| 23:29.39 | hectorpal | it is something that just should work |
| 23:29.51 | hectorpal | is a shell script I did |
| 23:29.55 | hectorpal | that call other stuff |
| 23:30.01 | hectorpal | just two lines |
| 23:30.02 | pobega | Does the script itself ask for the password? |
| 23:30.03 | hectorpal | of bash |
| 23:30.07 | hectorpal | nop |
| 23:30.19 | hectorpal | no way |
| 23:30.35 | Tramp | hectorpal: just for fun - can you try "/bin/ls" instead of your script? |
| 23:30.54 | hectorpal | Tramp: going to try, I think I did it |
| 23:31.07 | jelly-home | hectorpal: are you calling it with arguments? |
| 23:31.15 | pobega | Try giving yourself sudo permissions for cat and try catting (pardon the pun) a root owned file (/etc/sudoers ?) |
| 23:32.06 | hectorpal | pobega: trying it out |
| 23:32.25 | hectorpal | jelly-home: no arguements. the program ask for a number |
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| 23:33.24 | pobega | hectorpal: Cat is in /bin/cat by the way, just for reference :) |
| 23:33.27 | hectorpal | didn't work |
| 23:33.30 | pobega | Mmm |
| 23:33.46 | pobega | Then perhaps it's something wrong with your sudoers setup? |
| 23:34.00 | hectorpal | sudo -l returns: (root) NOPASSWD: /usr/bin/lockout-lock (root) NOPASSWD: /bin/ls (root) NOPASSWD: /bin/cat (ALL) ALL |
| 23:34.32 | hectorpal | no clue. I just installed ubuntu 7.10 (I know, this is debian channel) |
| 23:34.39 | Tramp | hectorpal: do you have something unusual |
| 23:34.54 | Tramp | uhps ... in your /etc/pam.d/sudo? |
| 23:34.55 | Caemyr | bah:( still no sign of wine 0.9.50 deb |
| 23:34.57 | pobega | Not to state the obvious, but you're beginning the command with `sudo /usr/bin/lockout-lock`, right? Not just `/usr/bin/lockout-lock` |
| 23:34.58 | hectorpal | unusual? automatix2, |
| 23:35.17 | hectorpal | yes: sudo /usr/bin/lockout-lock |
| 23:35.27 | hectorpal | let's see /etc/pam.d |
| 23:35.47 | pobega | Yeah, check /etc/pam.d/sudo -- I was about to suggest that next. |
| 23:36.05 | hectorpal | #%PAM-1.0 @include common-auth @include common-account |
| 23:36.17 | hectorpal | (separated in three lines) |
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| 23:36.23 | hectorpal | (don't want to clutter this) |
| 23:36.31 | pobega | hectorpal: That should be correct. |
| 23:36.36 | Tramp | hectorpal: that's ok - well probably something wrong with Ubuntu then. |
| 23:36.43 | hectorpal | hum.... |
| 23:36.50 | hectorpal | akward |
| 23:36.57 | pobega | Oh, you're on Ubuntu? |
| 23:37.07 | hectorpal | Yes, I'm sorry *-) |
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| 23:37.25 | pobega | I know Ubuntu messes with the sudo setup upon installation. A couple of configuration files are changed upon installation (I'm not sure which). |
| 23:37.36 | pobega | You may want to Google about what files are exactly changed in regard to sudo |
| 23:37.46 | hectorpal | I think I will file a bug |
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| 23:38.24 | hectorpal | thank you all! |
| 23:38.26 | pobega | hectorpal: You definitely should. Usually in Ubuntu though it's better to keep things setup the way they came; Whenever I was on an Ubuntu system and I tried to configure something myself I ended up just breaking everything. |
| 23:38.47 | pobega | *configure sudo* "Wow, X.org is broken" :P |
| 23:38.54 | hectorpal | jajaja |
| 23:39.23 | pobega | Not that I actually use X nowadays, anyway. But you get the idea; That's why I made the full switch to Debian in the end -- But let's not get OT. |
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| 23:39.46 | dkr | yeah, don't bring the conversation away from ubuntu... ;) |
| 23:40.14 | pobega | dkr: =D |
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| 23:40.26 | Seivan| | Does anyone what I need to install to be able to get a new console by ALT f2 and similar? |
| 23:40.46 | pobega | Seivan|: What do you mean? TTYs, or inside of X? |
| 23:41.03 | Seivan| | pobega ttys |
| 23:41.06 | Seivan| | pobega: I dont got a graphical front end |
| 23:41.11 | Seivan| | pobega: I just work through console |
| 23:41.38 | dkr | i thought you were ssh'd remotely so you couldn't switch consoles anyway |
| 23:41.46 | Seivan| | dkr: You could |
| 23:41.51 | Seivan| | dkr: It's just something is missing at my part |
| 23:42.02 | dkr | so you are physically in front of the machine? |
| 23:42.04 | pobega | Seivan|: I didn't know there was a package that does it, but Ctrl+Alt+F1 always does the trick for me. |
| 23:42.21 | Ketsa | you could use "screen" to emulate several consoles. |
| 23:42.28 | Seivan| | pobega: no :( |
| 23:42.28 | dkr | pobega: everything is a package. :) |
| 23:42.31 | Seivan| | Ketsa: huh ? |
| 23:42.58 | pobega | dkr: Unix: Everything is a file. Debian: Everything is a package. I love it! :) |
| 23:43.11 | pobega | Makes everything so much simpler. |
| 23:43.11 | Seivan| | I got screen |
| 23:43.20 | Seivan| | but how do you use it |
| 23:43.26 | pobega-compscite | Time for a comp science test :( |
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| 23:43.33 | dkr | Seivan|: by reading the instructions |
| 23:44.06 | Seivan| | dkr: I did, but cant find where you switch between the different screens |
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| 23:45.10 | dkr | I can't tell you. I am blessed with good internet connectivity and a single place to login from so never needed it. :) |
| 23:45.21 | stiv2k | Caemyr: paragon seems to be doing it, thanks |
| 23:45.40 | Caemyr | np |
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| 23:47.40 | TrueDD | Good night all |
| 23:48.39 | kn1ghtmare | Hey guys, is there a way to list which eth is on a specific NIC? |
| 23:48.56 | kn1ghtmare | and we cannot use ifconfig |
| 23:48.59 | Ketsa | for screen : "control-a c" create new window. access windows through "control-a 0-9" |
| 23:49.00 | dkr | kn1ghtmare: you can pass an option to the kernel module for your nic saynig which interface to use |
| 23:49.18 | dkr | kn1ghtmare: but if more than one nic using same module(e.g. same model card0, not sure if you can |
| 23:49.24 | Ketsa | and read instructions, its very good if you work a lot on consoles. |
| 23:49.49 | kn1ghtmare | ok. We are stuck having to use single user mode inside of vmware player |
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| 23:50.51 | kn1ghtmare | dkr: and vmware is making it difficult, as I'm sure you can imagine |
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| 23:54.19 | Seivan| | Is there a way to see your CPU temperature, in the console? |
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| 23:55.19 | stew | Seivan|: aptitude install acpi ; modprobe thermal ; acpi -V |
| 23:55.44 | tripp | hi there. its about realtime-preemption. i wondered if there is another way to boost kernelperformance axept the ck-patchset from Con Kolivas or the Realtime-Patches from Ingo Molnar. Are these two the only ones out there? thanks for your experience :D |
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| 23:56.46 | Kevin` | tripp "real" realtime or desktop realtime for visual/app performance |
| 23:57.08 | tripp | Kevin` "real" realtime please :) |
| 23:57.23 | Kevin` | tripp Oh. yes there is. let me see if I can find it again |
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| 23:57.33 | Azar | hello honorables!!!! |
| 23:57.34 | tripp | Kevin` that would be fantastic |
| 23:57.52 | wols_ | tripp: montavista |
| 23:58.42 | wols_ | tripp: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MontaVista#MontaVista_Linux |
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| 23:59.45 | tripp | wols_ that sounds real good.. if i cant find another way, maybe ill try this... i wish i could stay with my debian :) |
