| 00:00.00 | Kevin` | tripp do you want to run your code in the kernel or userland |
| 00:00.13 | tripp | Kevin` in the userland |
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| 00:00.45 | Knifa | I have been running a TF2 server on my box which uses loads of RAM, however, despite killing the process mem and top still report the RAM being used. I am guessing the TF2 server just leaks horribly, but how do I get it back persee? Also this is probably a really stupid question :< |
| 00:00.50 | Kevin` | tripp what are your time requirement |
| 00:00.51 | Kevin` | s |
| 00:00.58 | ohwellok | (bye) |
| 00:01.03 | Kevin` | (i'm looking at some options) |
| 00:01.08 | tripp | Kevin` as fast as possible |
| 00:01.22 | wols_ | @free |
| 00:01.23 | ravenbird | rumour has it, free is defined in English with many different meanings of which only one refers to cost. easier in french, or 'free beer' = gratuit 'free speech' = libre, or http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/categories.html, or free (procps) tells you how much memory is used/wasted ("Mem:"), and how much is being necessarily used/could be freed ("-/+ buffers/cache:") |
| 00:01.29 | wols_ | :( |
| 00:01.31 | tripp | Kevin` give me nanoseconds if you can :D |
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| 00:01.49 | wols_ | Kevin`: how did you check that TF2 used all that RAM? |
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| 00:01.59 | petemc | itym free ram |
| 00:02.03 | wols_ | Knifa: how did you check that TF2 used all that RAM? |
| 00:02.21 | Seivan| | What application could I use to unpack tars in XFCE? |
| 00:02.22 | Knifa | wols_ mem |
| 00:02.29 | wols_ | Knifa: mem? |
| 00:02.38 | Knifa | well the usage jumped up to 2gb after it was running |
| 00:02.42 | Knifa | so i assume that from TF2 |
| 00:02.43 | Kevin` | tripp 15 microseconds for RTAI but that's running the real time part of your code in kernel space |
| 00:03.02 | Knifa | as nothing else is really running |
| 00:03.12 | wols_ | Knifa: again: how did you check? |
| 00:03.24 | Knifa | mem -m |
| 00:03.27 | Knifa | err not mem |
| 00:03.30 | Knifa | free |
| 00:03.31 | Knifa | -_- |
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| 00:03.45 | wols_ | Knifa: useless |
| 00:03.50 | wols_ | next time use top |
| 00:03.53 | Azar | wols_: if my etherreal package was upgraded (security upgrade) do I need to reboot? |
| 00:04.09 | tripp | Kevin` i will try it anyway |
| 00:04.11 | wols_ | and a process that is closed has all its RAM freed. no matter how much it leaks |
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| 00:04.19 | jeremy_1 | How do I get a working compiler on debian? |
| 00:04.32 | jeremy_1 | or, I should say, build environment? |
| 00:04.33 | Kevin` | tripp apparently it suppors running certain userland code with time requirements too |
| 00:04.33 | wols_ | Azar: only time you ever need to reboot is a new kernel or new hardware. is ethereal your kernel? |
| 00:04.36 | Knifa | so despite it saying that 2gb ram is currently used, it's free to use? |
| 00:04.41 | wols_ | @b-e |
| 00:04.43 | Knifa | or not being used rather |
| 00:04.49 | wols_ | jeremy_1: build-essentials |
| 00:04.51 | malduin | jeremy_1, apt-get install build-essentials |
| 00:04.52 | Azar | wols_: thanks, no I thought it will affect connections somehow |
| 00:05.02 | wols_ | Knifa: it's diskcache |
| 00:05.16 | Knifa | k |
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| 00:05.32 | Caemyr | how can i check which process is using mem? |
| 00:05.35 | Azar | good evening mister abrotman |
| 00:05.40 | abrotman | hi |
| 00:05.42 | Kevin` | tripp (lxrt) |
| 00:05.50 | jeremy_1 | wols_: malduin: can't find that package. |
| 00:06.07 | Caemyr | free is showing only global info |
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| 00:06.30 | Seivan| | What application could I use to unpack tars in XFCE? and when I rightclick there is an command called "open xfce4 command prompt here" it doesnt really do anything |
| 00:06.42 | malduin | jeremy_1, thats unusual maybe its an issue with your sources list |
| 00:06.46 | jeremy_1 | I'm on 4.0, brand new install. |
| 00:06.57 | abrotman | which package? |
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| 00:07.05 | jeremy_1 | build-essentials |
| 00:07.09 | dondelelcaro | Seivan|: easiest way is to just use the command line, but there may be a XFCE specific method |
| 00:07.11 | malduin | jeremy_1, i was able to install build-essentials on 4.0 etch |
| 00:07.17 | Azar | brand new install: show your sources in a paster |
| 00:07.29 | abrotman | jeremy_1: no "s" in the name |
| 00:07.33 | abrotman | erm .. at the end |
| 00:07.37 | abrotman | build-essential |
| 00:07.38 | Seivan| | dondelelcaro: well I forgot how to is it tar -xfv package? |
| 00:07.43 | petemc | abrotman: theres 2 s's! |
| 00:07.48 | jeremy_1 | ah! that works :-D |
| 00:07.49 | abrotman | heh |
| 00:07.51 | Azar | wow |
| 00:07.52 | malduin | jeremy_1, Its build-essential without the plural "s" |
| 00:07.57 | petemc | no s$ |
| 00:08.02 | dondelelcaro | Seivan|: usually if it's tar.gz, you want tar -zxvf foo.tar.gz; but effectively, yes. |
| 00:08.02 | jeremy_1 | thanks guys. |
| 00:08.06 | dondelelcaro | Seivan|: man tar; if you forget. |
| 00:09.31 | jeremy_1 | I am getting all sorts of *very* weird errors. http://pastebin.com/d63eeaa4a |
| 00:09.39 | petemc | whats the correct grammar for saying more than one s? |
| 00:10.06 | abrotman | esses |
| 00:10.08 | abrotman | :) |
| 00:10.10 | jeremy_1 | there is nothing odd with the file that I can see. Also does it on many others, such as java's jni.h |
| 00:10.14 | petemc | thats phonetic :) |
| 00:10.45 | Azar | official announcement for new users: ftp.debian.org: please don't use it >> http://debian-news.net/modules/news/article.php?storyid=3673 |
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| 00:11.51 | Azar | awww, my repos are going to Santa Land |
| 00:12.12 | xtor | where can I find a list of .deb packages that I have myself installed on my box? Like if I wanna clone a box and need the extra 10 or 20 packages that I installed? |
| 00:12.57 | hectorpal | repeating my question: I add a line like that to my sudoers: myuser ALL= NOPASSWD: /usr/bin/myprogram, but when I do sudo /usr/bin/myprogram it still ask for the password |
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| 00:13.10 | real0ne | i need help |
| 00:13.40 | Azar | real0ne: say what you need.... "I need help" does not helps you |
| 00:13.50 | Tramp | hectorpal: did you ask on #ubuntu? |
| 00:13.53 | tripp | Kevin` you sure rtai patchset is there to improve performance on an existing linux? looks more like... well... i dont know. writing programms in realtime or something. |
| 00:14.17 | hectorpal | Tramp: Yes, I though I got it, but the NOPASSWD seems to no be working |
| 00:14.25 | hectorpal | It's ok |
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| 00:14.37 | Kevin` | tripp isn't that what you want to do? |
| 00:14.41 | hectorpal | bye |
| 00:15.04 | Kevin` | tripp if you want to improve overall SYSTEM performance you should look at scheduling options available and priority |
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| 00:16.05 | Kevin` | tripp as well as preemption, which might not be enabled by default the way you want, but is in the normal linux kernel |
| 00:16.24 | tripp | Kevin` i think i didnt make myself clear enough :). I have some applications which run better if kernelperformace is better. Ingo Molnars Realtimepatches were the best i knew until now. Its about to improve Systemperformance. |
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| 00:17.06 | Kevin` | tripp you don't generally want "real time" linux for a server |
| 00:17.18 | Kevin` | .. what is, actually, your application? |
| 00:17.35 | tripp | Kevin` in my situation its perfectly what i want, really :) |
| 00:17.53 | Kevin` | I mean what are you doing that needs increased time performance |
| 00:18.15 | tripp | Kevin` Ingo Molnars patches for example add an option "Complete Preemption" instead of only the Preemptible Kernel (Low-Latency Desktop) |
| 00:18.32 | Exy | Has something drastic changed in ia32-libs lately? |
| 00:18.51 | tripp | Kevin` im afraid of telling, running gameservers.. |
| 00:19.01 | tripp | Kevin` Some people arent that nice then.. |
| 00:19.09 | Kevin` | tripp those patches are intended for what you are using them for, making an existing system preform better under certain situations |
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| 00:19.36 | qrck | tripp: why should they be against game servers ? |
| 00:19.46 | tripp | Kevin`exactly. and i just wondered if there are another patches to try out, except ck-patches and ingo molnars |
| 00:19.47 | Kevin` | which is why I asked initially, whether you were doing "real" real time or desktop/system real time |
| 00:19.52 | Kevin` | :) |
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| 00:20.43 | Kevin` | tripp where is the current bottleneck for performance (what system call or process, whatever) |
| 00:20.45 | tripp | qrck dont ask me... they dont like it. they say "aaah your all the same. come in here and let us do the work for you. you know nothing about linux and ask stupid questions." its funny, buts thats exactly what i heared :) |
| 00:21.04 | Tramp | hectorpal: remove the "ALL" entry at the end. It's the last one that matches and thus overrules the other entries for this user |
| 00:21.09 | tripp | Kevin` im not that well knowing of finding out bottlenecks |
| 00:21.29 | Kevin` | well, what's the current problem |
| 00:21.46 | hectorpal | Tramp: trying it out |
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| 00:22.17 | hectorpal | Tramp: you are the king! thank you. You are totally right. Precendence! |
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| 00:22.40 | Tramp | hectorpal: well, took me 5 minutes googling - but thanks anyways. |
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| 00:24.59 | whitehat | are these the correct packages to run xen (xen-hyervisor,xen-ioemu,xen-linux-system<version>xen,xen-linux-system<version>xen-vserver,xen-tools,xen-utils,xen-utils-common) ? thank you |
| 00:25.19 | duns_s | hi |
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| 00:25.30 | duns_s | is it a security risk to chmod 666 /dev/net/tun ? |
| 00:25.39 | tripp | Kevin` thats an hard question. see, there is no problem. try to imaging the differenz of playing realtime-games on an tick100 kernel and an 1000tick kernel. the same performanceboost is given by the +realtime-patchset. i just wonder if there are some patches to even more increase performace. |
| 00:25.47 | duns_s | i need access via uml and virtualbox |
| 00:26.00 | duns_s | both are groups, but i can't set both |
| 00:26.13 | tripp | Kevin` besides patches... other possibilitys.. |
| 00:26.56 | Kevin` | tripp what's your response time locally from the server (over lan, not running the client on the same computer) |
| 00:27.29 | tripp | my personal responce is about 12-15ms |
| 00:27.49 | real0ne | how to install debian into macintosh powerbookG4 |
| 00:27.54 | real0ne | how to install debian into macintosh powerbookG4 |
| 00:27.56 | real0ne | how to install debian into macintosh powerbookG4 |
| 00:27.58 | real0ne | how to install debian into macintosh powerbookG4 |
| 00:28.03 | Kevin` | tripp well I know the kernel can do better then that. what's the cpu load when it's running |
| 00:28.13 | tripp | real0ne please dont spam. no one will answer |
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| 00:28.32 | real0ne | ok |
| 00:28.36 | real0ne | i will not spam |
| 00:28.39 | real0ne | but |
| 00:28.40 | real0ne | plz |
| 00:28.47 | locutus266 | hello |
| 00:28.48 | real0ne | i need help |
| 00:28.53 | abrotman | !ig |
| 00:28.54 | dpkg | I heard "ig" is Installation Guide .. see http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/installmanual for Etch 4.0r1 (Stable as of August 15, 2007) .. or see http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/installmanual for now oldstable Sarge (3.1 ... 3.1r5). Lenny is now the new Testing! |
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| 00:29.03 | tripp | Kevin` cpuload is about 40% with 18 connectet Clients |
| 00:29.38 | tripp | Kevin` you dont mean "load average".... do you? |
| 00:30.01 | real0ne | how to install debian into macintosh powerbookG4 |
| 00:30.09 | Kevin` | tripp I did, actually. below 1 it should be the same as % though right? |
| 00:30.12 | abrotman | real0ne: have you read any documentation? |
| 00:30.13 | pobega | I'm back :) Hope no one missed me |
| 00:30.34 | real0ne | yes |
| 00:30.36 | real0ne | a lot |
| 00:30.42 | tripp | Kevin` it goes up till 3.9 some times... |
| 00:30.47 | abrotman | real0ne: like what? |
| 00:30.53 | abrotman | real0ne: and what problem are you having? |
| 00:31.02 | locutus266 | I have a general question: I have etch installed and want to use "lenny"/testing versions of a few packages like mldonkey. The problem are the dependencies. I don't want to install a "testing" libc6. What can I do so that just a few packages from lenny can co-exist peacefully in my etch system? |
| 00:31.17 | Kevin` | tripp ok, that could be part of the problem. what processes are taking up the cpu time |
| 00:32.10 | duns_s | locutus266: i guess you have to compile it your self |
| 00:32.10 | tripp | Kevin` the gameserver-processes |
| 00:32.12 | abrotman | locutus266: /msg dpkg backport |
| 00:32.20 | abrotman | erm .. backports |
| 00:32.25 | stiv2k | hey do you need to put b43 in /etc/modules for it to work or does it get loaded automatically? |
| 00:32.42 | locutus266 | abrotman: thanks for the hint |
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| 00:32.55 | abrotman | locutus266: check backports.org also |
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| 00:34.33 | locutus266 | duns_s: What do you mean by compiling myself? using some deb-src entry in sources.list or compiling and installing from the original .tar.gz? Wouldn't the latter completely "taint" my system? ;) |
| 00:34.53 | duns_s | no compiling from deb-src |
| 00:35.03 | duns_s | i've had the problem with rtorrent on stable |
| 00:35.06 | tripp | Kevin` interesting is that even when Cpu-usage is about 20-30 percent, the load average is about 1.0 |
| 00:35.33 | Kevin` | tripp is this a multi core computer? |
| 00:35.35 | locutus266 | Thanks for the hints. I will try the two alternatives |
| 00:35.37 | duns_s | i needed the move "file-on-finish-sth" feature, which is only in unstable |
| 00:35.43 | locutus266 | have a nice evening |
| 00:36.12 | duns_s | any ideas about the tun interface, i've mentioned above? |
| 00:36.13 | hectorpal | ok guys, thanks for your time. You are helping a former fedora user to conver to ubuntu. Closer to the light? :-) |
| 00:36.23 | duns_s | is it a risk to set the rights to 666? |
| 00:36.49 | tripp | Kevin` my hoster often wanted me to believe this but it acutally is and AMD Opteron 146 and my knowledge is, its an singlecore. (besides i wasnt brave enough to leave smp out of the kernel yet :) ) |
| 00:37.35 | tripp | Kevin` smp support doenst "hurt" the system, when its and singlecore-Cpu, does it? |
| 00:37.52 | Kevin` | tripp I think it can, but not significantly |
| 00:38.43 | Tramp | !tell hectorpal about ubuntu |
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| 00:39.41 | hectorpal | Tramp: yeah, I know, I know. But I least I'm leaving fedora. |
| 00:39.57 | tripp | Kevin` when i told you what uses cputime at most, i looked at the Cpu-Usage... was that what you meant?.. |
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| 00:40.37 | Kevin` | tripp yeah. might help to put the game server on a multi-core system since it's multithreaded |
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| 00:46.17 | tripp | Kevin` when im unpacking an bz2 file, load average rises up to 0.9... maybe there is a way to decrease it? |
| 00:46.36 | tripp | Kevin`im using Anticapatory Scheduler right now |
| 00:46.42 | magyar | hi, how can i write an iso image to a dvd disk from console? |
| 00:46.53 | Kevin` | tripp bzip2 is a cpu bound process. if you don't want it to affect the system give it a lower priority |
| 00:47.05 | Kevin` | (it will always cause a high load number since it's running) |
| 00:47.14 | maux | magyar: dd_something i just saw gnomebaker trying to do this |
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| 00:47.52 | maux | magyar: but i am not at that computer now. so, dd_[tab] to figure out |
| 00:49.05 | abrotman | !iso |
| 00:49.05 | dpkg | somebody said iso was a cd-image. CD images of debian are available at http://www.debian.org/CD, or debian-cd.com, or http://www.linuxiso.org, or something I do with needle and thread, or ask me about "netinst", a 32 MB bootable base-installation ISO, or jigdo, or ask me about "jigdo", or did I mention "jigdo"?, or see "create cd image", or a partially-correct way of referring ISO 9660 |
| 00:49.11 | abrotman | bah .. cdrecord |
| 00:49.27 | maux | &cdrecord |
| 00:49.28 | aptitude | it has been said that cdrecord is a CD writing tool (renamed cdrtools) for .iso (the file system) and .cdr (cd audio). Available at http://www.fokus.gmd.de/nthp/employees/schilling/cdrecord.html. Use -pad for .wav files when burning audio. Use -swab if your CDR uses little endian or the .cdr is in big endian -- basically if the audio on cd is static, use -swab. now from version 2.0 up it supports atapi cd burners with an option like -dev=AT |
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| 00:49.49 | maux | &dd_ |
| 00:49.55 | tripp | Kevin` another thing is... "htop" says, 355 of 1995MB RAM used, "top" says 1191196k used, 852340k free . which program lies ? |
| 00:50.40 | dondelelcaro | !free ram |
| 00:50.40 | dpkg | Most modern operating systems try aggressively to use free physical memory for disk caching, but release it when actually needed by programs. If you want to know how much physical memory the free(1) tool says you have left for program use, it's 'free' + 'buffers' + 'cache'. |
| 00:50.47 | Kevin` | tripp probably one of them is subtracting cached data |
| 00:51.12 | tripp | Kevin` would be be so kind and tell me, what "cached data" is ? |
| 00:51.22 | tripp | first "be" = "you" |
| 00:51.33 | Kevin` | tripp dpkg's comment is correct. |
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| 00:52.21 | tripp | sorry dpkg i didnt read it because my name wasnt in it :) |
| 00:52.25 | tripp | interesting. |
| 00:52.43 | Kevin` | unused memory is wasted memory |
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| 00:53.21 | tripp | but cached memory is memory, which can be used if needed |
| 00:53.24 | tripp | very good :) |
| 00:53.57 | Caemyr | Kevin: i disagree |
| 00:53.58 | stiv2k | hey what happened why does sudoedit say this |
| 00:54.09 | stiv2k | sudoedit: unable to execute /usr/bin/vi: No such file or directory |
| 00:54.17 | stiv2k | why is it looking for vi it used to use nano |
| 00:54.41 | magyar | maux: there is no dd_ command just dd |
| 00:54.55 | maux | magyar: wait |
| 00:55.05 | abrotman | stiv2k: did you remove vi or nvi or vim ? |
| 00:55.16 | stiv2k | i dont think i ever used vi or vim |
| 00:55.20 | stiv2k | i always use nano :S |
| 00:55.45 | abrotman | update-alternatives --config vi |
| 00:55.56 | magyar | maux, i used backupninja to do a dvd backup and it was using some sort of "dd_" command but i coildn't read the dvd from anywhere |
| 00:55.57 | stiv2k | i don' |
| 00:55.57 | pobega | stiv2k: Change your vi alternative to nano. |
| 00:56.02 | stiv2k | i don't have vi |
| 00:56.11 | abrotman | apparently sudoedit wants vi |
| 00:56.17 | stiv2k | that is odd |
| 00:56.18 | pobega | Regardless, you still have a vi alternative. |
| 00:56.22 | stiv2k | it's never said that before |
| 00:56.23 | abrotman | update-alternatives --config vi |
| 00:56.31 | pobega | ls /etc/alternatives | grep vi |
| 00:56.36 | stiv2k | No alternatives for vi. |
| 00:56.44 | abrotman | then install one |
| 00:56.57 | stiv2k | what do i have to do to just make sudoedit work again |
| 00:57.04 | pobega | Yeah, it's always good to have Vi on your system; A lot of programs will make calls to the Vi alternative. |
| 00:57.16 | abrotman | stiv2k: etch? |
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| 00:57.27 | stiv2k | abrotman: sid |
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| 00:57.41 | abrotman | vim-tiny will do it |
| 00:57.50 | stiv2k | what will it do |
| 00:58.03 | abrotman | give you a vi |
| 00:58.14 | pobega | vim-tiny will install vim and create the vi alternative, which you can use update-alternatives --config vi and make the vi alternative point to nano. |
| 00:58.26 | stiv2k | i see |
| 00:58.32 | pobega | See if that works for you. |
| 00:58.49 | abrotman | or nvi .. which is smaller |
| 00:59.25 | stiv2k | There is only 1 program which provides vi |
| 00:59.25 | stiv2k | (/usr/bin/vim.tiny). Nothing to configure. |
| 00:59.36 | stiv2k | that was from the update-alternatives command |
| 00:59.53 | abrotman | so it was installed? |
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| 01:00.14 | stiv2k | vim-tiny was installed yes |
| 01:00.27 | abrotman | should provide vi then |
| 01:00.32 | stiv2k | yes but i dont want to use vi |
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| 01:00.34 | stiv2k | i want to use nano |
| 01:00.43 | stiv2k | (with sudoedit) |
| 01:00.53 | pobega | update-alternatives --set vi /usr/bin/nano |
| 01:01.06 | abrotman | or that |
| 01:01.16 | stiv2k | wtf |
| 01:01.18 | pobega | If it doesn't, read through update-alternatives(8) |
| 01:01.21 | stiv2k | trillian:~# update-alternatives --set vi /usr/bin/nano |
| 01:01.22 | stiv2k | update-alternatives: Cannot find alternative `/usr/bin/nano'. |
| 01:01.30 | stiv2k | wtf is going on |
| 01:01.36 | stiv2k | trillian:~# which nano |
| 01:01.37 | stiv2k | /usr/bin/nano |
| 01:01.39 | pobega | Erm...Maybe you can try switching vi and /usr/bin/nano? |
| 01:01.51 | pobega | update-alternatives --set /usr/bin/nano vi |
| 01:01.54 | pobega | Perhaps? |
| 01:01.55 | abrotman | or symlink vi to nano |
| 01:02.09 | stiv2k | No alternatives for /usr/bin/nano. |
| 01:02.18 | stiv2k | ok but why is it doing this in the first place |
| 01:02.22 | stiv2k | i didnt have this problem yesterday |
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| 01:02.50 | abrotman | what did you install/change? |
| 01:02.54 | stiv2k | dist-upgrade |
| 01:03.09 | abrotman | vague |
| 01:03.11 | maux | magyar: gnomebaker says 'executing builtin_dd if=image.iso of=/dev/hda obs=32k seek=0' |
| 01:03.15 | pobega | It's a weird problem, but it should be easy to cure; Just make symlink /usr/bin/vi to /usr/bin/nano |
| 01:03.25 | pobega | Or...Learn Vim. Personally that's what I recommend :P |
| 01:03.34 | maux | magyar: but builtin_dd doesnt exist there. so i think dd does this. |
| 01:03.37 | stiv2k | i just don't like vim's interface |
| 01:03.49 | predder | I would set an alias personally |
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| 01:04.16 | pobega | stiv2k: That's understandable; But you should definitely learn something more powerful than nano. Whether it's Vim, Emacs, or whatever. |
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| 01:04.32 | naiv | if /proc/acpi exists, does that mean acpi is loaded ? i did install lm-sensors, but sensors-detect doesn't exists -_- |
| 01:04.37 | maux | stiv2k: nano? i prefer old pico |
| 01:04.37 | ginoman | vim rocks |
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| 01:04.41 | magyar | maux: do you have any clue as to why after burn, with above command i cant read the dvd? |
| 01:05.07 | magyar | maux: if i loop mount the iso, it works greate |
| 01:05.17 | pobega | Not to start a war, but I have to agree; I use Vim for everything. Especially with it's syntax highlighting. Vim makes programming so easy. |
| 01:05.23 | magyar | so there is no problems with the iso image |
| 01:05.24 | maux | magyar: ? u want to read dvd with dd ? dd = disk dump |
| 01:05.54 | maux | magyar: have you tried gnomebaker? |
| 01:05.55 | magyar | maux: yes, shoudnt i? |
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| 01:06.12 | magyar | maux: its a server no x |
| 01:06.16 | maux | magyar: dd is supposed to dump isoimage to /dev/hda |
| 01:06.29 | maux | magyar: by recording |
| 01:06.39 | stiv2k | anyone know much about hwclock? where can i get support for it? |
| 01:06.45 | magyar | maux: i am dumping it to /dev/dvdrw |
| 01:07.03 | magyar | which seems to be a link to /dev/hda |
| 01:07.13 | petemc | sounds like a good idea |
| 01:07.21 | abrotman | stiv2k: what about it? |
| 01:07.23 | maux | magyar: well, that's what gnomebaker tried here. my dvdrw drive is at /dev/hda. i couldnt write cuz it said the image is larger than the dvd |
| 01:07.45 | stiv2k | abrotman: my system almost *always* freezes when shutting down or rebooting it stops at "Saving system clock" and from there it is completely unresponsive |
| 01:07.47 | maux | magyar: so i am not sure if dd can do this |
| 01:07.47 | magyar | in my case the image is 2GB |
| 01:07.54 | stiv2k | abrotman: it doesnt happen ALL the time but 90% of the time and it pisses me off |
| 01:08.07 | abrotman | stiv2k: i'm not sure hwclock is the problem |
| 01:08.08 | maux | magyar: or if gnomebaker'd want to call cdrecord or some dvdrecord... |
| 01:08.30 | stiv2k | abrotman: What do you think it could be? |
| 01:08.31 | magyar | maux: odd, why is backupninja using dd to write iso? |
| 01:08.38 | abrotman | stiv2k: your crappy hardware! |
| 01:08.49 | abrotman | stiv2k: have you checked the BTS? |
| 01:08.57 | stiv2k | abrotman: got a URL for it? |
| 01:09.02 | stiv2k | abrotman: what hardware do you mean specifically? |
| 01:09.06 | maux | magyar: prolly dd writes iso to dvdrw drive |
| 01:09.29 | maux | magyar: i mean, can write |
| 01:09.41 | abrotman | bugs.debian.org/util-linux |
| 01:09.48 | abrotman | if you think ti's actually hwclock doing it |
| 01:10.11 | stiv2k | abrotman: hwclock was just a wild guess i have no idea what it is i just know hwclock handles that |
| 01:10.22 | petemc | maux: dd cant write to cds ot dvds |
| 01:10.30 | abrotman | stiv2k: look in that initscrript |
| 01:10.33 | abrotman | or dvds |
| 01:10.51 | stiv2k | abrotman: there's a hwclockfirst.sh and hwclock.sh |
| 01:11.07 | abrotman | stiv2k: check the bts |
| 01:11.15 | magyar | petemc: how do i write an iso to dvd-r? |
| 01:11.38 | abrotman | cdrecord |
| 01:11.44 | magyar | from console? |
| 01:11.50 | petemc | growisofs |
| 01:11.57 | stiv2k | abrotman: im not sure what to look for |
| 01:12.12 | magyar | petemc: have you heard of backupninja? |
| 01:12.22 | petemc | negative |
| 01:12.34 | petemc | i do my backups to hard disk now, mostly |
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| 01:12.52 | petemc | tape for offsite.. |
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| 01:13.05 | maux | petemc: ok, i didnt know that |
| 01:13.12 | petemc | why would you |
| 01:13.19 | stiv2k | abrotman: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=426171 |
| 01:13.27 | stiv2k | abrotman: thats my exact problem |
| 01:13.41 | valdyn | magyar: growisofs -Z /dev/dvd=file.iso |
| 01:14.25 | jeremy_c | I'm coming from a FreeBSD server that just had a fatal HD crash. I am looking to setup my new Debian 4.0 server w/a capable mail server concerned mainly w/keeping as much spam out as possible. The mail server serves only ~30 mailboxes. Anyone with a suggestion, or pointer to a good HOWTO? |
| 01:14.27 | magyar | valdyn: thanks will try |
| 01:14.32 | abrotman | stiv2k: there's a crappy solution |
| 01:14.41 | stiv2k | abrotman: crappy? |
| 01:14.45 | valdyn | jeremy_c: use the default |
| 01:14.47 | abrotman | stiv2k: noapic |
| 01:14.54 | abrotman | i thought cdrecord could do dvds too |
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| 01:15.01 | stiv2k | why is that crappy |
| 01:15.03 | stiv2k | and, what does noapic do |
| 01:15.12 | petemc | jeremy_c: debian comes with exim4, which is very capable at spam filtering |
| 01:15.18 | dutchfish | hello, i am trying to grasp the inners of setting up a stealthy firewall on debian with a vanilla kernel 2.6.22-9 in etch. How do i convert [ifconfig eth0 0.0.0.0 promisc up] into somthing thats adeqaute for /etc/network/interfaces, and where do i preload my ebtables script adn contrack tweaking script? |
| 01:15.19 | abrotman | !apic |
| 01:15.19 | dpkg | apic is probably an Advanced Programmable Interrupt Controller (APIC) is a more intricate Programmable Interrupt Controller (PIC). It contains a magnitude more outputs and much more complex priority schemas. One of the best known APIC architectures, the Intel APIC Architecture, is now replacing the original 8259A PIC in newer x86 PCs. |
| 01:15.26 | petemc | at? of? |
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| 01:15.31 | jeremy_c | Hm, does it support imap and multiple domains? |
| 01:15.37 | petemc | no, its a mta |
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| 01:15.58 | Caemyr | bye |
| 01:16.09 | petemc | it does virtual domains, i use dovecot for pop/imap |
| 01:16.09 | jeremy_c | petemc: I'm looking for a whole solution. Your right, it's the mta, but I need to make it interface w/other software. |
| 01:16.10 | petemc | an mta? |
| 01:16.27 | abrotman | jeremy_c: what did you use on BSD? |
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| 01:16.36 | stiv2k | abrotman: so if i use noapic, could it affect anything else |
| 01:16.40 | petemc | jeremy_c: exim4 and dovecot is a good combination |
| 01:16.41 | abrotman | stiv2k: it could |
| 01:16.44 | jeremy_c | abrotman: qmail, however, I was not very comfortable with it. |
| 01:16.47 | dureyes | Im hoping this has been covered here because I can find it on google...is there a solution for installing the flashplugin-nonefree with getting a checksum error? |
| 01:16.48 | abrotman | ewwwwwwwwww! |
| 01:17.01 | jeremy_c | abrotman: qmail? |
| 01:17.04 | abrotman | jeremy_c: petemc's suggestion is good .. i like postfix+courier .. but either would work |
| 01:17.15 | abrotman | jeremy_c: yes :) |
| 01:17.20 | stiv2k | abrotman: how can i add to that to say i have the same problem |
| 01:17.21 | petemc | i thought you used cyrus abrotman ? |
| 01:17.37 | abrotman | petemc: i do .. but i prefer courier .. i only use cyrus because of the shared maildir implementation |
| 01:17.49 | petemc | dovecot > * |
| 01:17.56 | petemc | you can take that to the bank |
| 01:17.57 | jeremy_c | abrotman: hm, cyrus supports shared imap folders? |
| 01:18.04 | abrotman | petemc: the dovecot in sarge didn't support shared maildirs |
| 01:18.17 | petemc | ive always used backports |
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| 01:18.26 | abrotman | jeremy_c: i cyrus/courier/dovecot in etch all do .. but they implement them differently |
| 01:18.52 | abrotman | petemc: does dovecot shared folders allow users to create folders as they see fit? |
| 01:19.09 | abrotman | petemc: that's why i went with cyrus |
| 01:19.09 | petemc | i dont use shared folders |
| 01:19.12 | petemc | so no idea |
| 01:19.20 | abrotman | you're no help! |
| 01:19.24 | abrotman | dpkg: bomb ireland |
| 01:19.27 | petemc | :) |
| 01:19.52 | abrotman | !petemcsmite petemc |
| 01:20.05 | petemc | heh |
| 01:20.32 | abrotman | petemc: when i was evaluating .. the CVS version of dovecot barely supported shared maildirs |
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| 01:20.47 | SpookyET | Hi |
| 01:21.05 | abrotman | !ubuntu |
| 01:21.05 | dpkg | Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu (irc.freenode.net) instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. |
| 01:21.25 | dutchfish | hello, i am trying to grasp the inners of setting up a stealthy firewall on debian with a vanilla kernel 2.6.22-9 in etch. How do i convert [ifconfig eth0 0.0.0.0 promisc up] into something thats adequate for /etc/network/interfaces, and where do i preload my ebtables script and contrack tweaking script? |
| 01:21.33 | S4nD3r | someone uses netbeans here? |
| 01:21.49 | abrotman | #java ? |
| 01:21.57 | dto | lots of updates today, my apt-get dist-upgrade is downloading like 200MB of stuff |
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| 01:22.26 | abrotman | dutchfish: in a script for pre-up ? |
| 01:22.27 | DustyBin | how do you activate perl and the cgi-bin, ive setup apaches cgi-bin location, but when i point to the file: http://xxxxxxxxxx.net/bluelava/bluelava.cgi the .cgi script is just displayed as text instead of being executed |
| 01:22.50 | abrotman | modperl most likely? |
| 01:22.56 | DustyBin | aye ok |
| 01:22.59 | dutchfish | abrotman, in pre-up after the brctl phrases? |
| 01:23.15 | abrotman | dutchfish: as soon as you bridge it .. it's promisc |
| 01:23.41 | SpookyET | I'm trying to setup my partitions. I have a 100GB hard drive. / 200MiB /boot 100 MiB /swap 3GiB /var 2GiB /tmp 2 GiB /usr 10 GiB /home 75.87 GiB How are those numbers? |
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| 01:23.50 | dutchfish | abrotman, so i dont need promisc up defined like in ifconfig? |
| 01:24.15 | abrotman | dutchfish: i did a bridge for qemu .. and it goes into promisc mode as soon as i bridge it |
| 01:25.07 | whitehat | can someone tell me which packages are needed to run xen on 4.0.1. thank you |
| 01:25.07 | dutchfish | abrotman, but [correct me if i am wrong] only when the ethx is binded to the bridge, but i need ebtables up before binding |
| 01:25.07 | abrotman | dutchfish: at least .. i don't remember setting it up |
| 01:25.26 | abrotman | dutchfish: http://compsoc.dur.ac.uk/~djw/qemu.html |
| 01:25.50 | dutchfish | abrotman, its not qemu, in fact it has nothing to do with what i want |
| 01:25.54 | abrotman | dutchfish: well .. apparently i did do it .. just my feeble brain doesn't remember |
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| 01:26.04 | abrotman | dutchfish: that's fine .. but they have decent quickie bridging things |
| 01:26.52 | dutchfish | abrotman, ok, fair enough .. ill just try something further on the road, and ebtables go in the pre-load section? |
| 01:27.10 | ginoman | What does Open Office,org, KOffice, QDesigner, and QtSettings manager... all have in common? |
| 01:27.18 | abrotman | suck? |
| 01:27.23 | ginoman | no |
| 01:27.24 | abrotman | dutchfish: the pre-up you mean? |
| 01:27.29 | ginoman | library dependancy |
| 01:27.31 | ginoman | I mean |
| 01:27.51 | dondelelcaro | what, libc6? |
| 01:27.52 | dutchfish | abrotman, yes pre-up section and ther ei load my abtables setup script |
| 01:28.11 | dutchfish | abrotman, oops i meant ebtables |
| 01:29.25 | dutchfish | abrotman, thx so far |
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| 01:33.42 | S4nD3r | Ihave problem to compile vmware |
| 01:34.00 | S4nD3r | is there, anyone using that one in lenny without problems |
| 01:34.02 | S4nD3r | ?? |
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| 01:36.23 | _Sam-- | if i have an an amd64 installation that used to use this as the apt-source, what would be the current equivalent if i wanted to upgrade? deb http://amd64.debian.net/debian/ oldstable main |
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| 01:36.45 | kgoetz | !sources |
| 01:36.45 | dpkg | well, sources is /etc/apt/sources.list is the file which stores a list of repositories that apt-get/aptitude use for downloading packags. "man sources.list" for a description of its format. If you are using sarge you can use apt-setup to alter this file, also ask me about <mirrors>, <apt-setup>, <apt-spy> |
| 01:37.00 | ginoman | I ask because I'm using debian i386 and those four programs aren't working |
| 01:37.01 | _Sam-- | i am asking, what would be the current source, i understand the file. |
| 01:37.11 | ginoman | they give me "bus error"'s |
| 01:37.15 | kgoetz | its a standard sources.list |
| 01:37.28 | _Sam-- | i need to change mine to get upgraded from oldstable. |
| 01:37.38 | _Sam-- | and, amd64 doesnt exist that way anymore. |
| 01:37.44 | Penix | _Sam--: that's what he's saying |
| 01:37.51 | Penix | _Sam--: it's all standard archive stuff now |
| 01:37.57 | Penix | _Sam--: add a normal, official debian source |
| 01:38.02 | _Sam-- | thank you |
| 01:38.37 | naiv | is it normal for a cpu 37° without doing nothing ? |
| 01:38.57 | kgoetz | naiv: epending on the cpu |
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| 01:39.21 | naiv | i just bought a core2duo 4600 |
| 01:39.24 | ginoman | How come when I ask questions about bus errors on here, no one listens? |
| 01:39.35 | kgoetz | i only have a car licence :) |
| 01:39.37 | _Sam-- | maybe people listen, but nobody answers :) |
| 01:39.39 | vvn | hi, my system hangs on boot, after it says "IPv6 over IPv4 tunneling driver and then a dot....what can I do/check? I don't need ipv6... |
| 01:40.00 | ginoman | well I'd rather hear "I don't know, sorry" than crickets chirping |
| 01:40.07 | Penix | ginoman: get used to it |
| 01:40.13 | _Sam-- | if someone knew -- they would probably answer. |
| 01:40.16 | magyar | valdyn: growisofs command is executing "builtin_dd if=/mnt/backup_dvd.iso of=/dev/dvd obs=32k seek=0" |
| 01:41.44 | predder | naiv, stating your cpu temp doesn't mean squat. It's the delta from ambient that makes a difference |
| 01:41.47 | naiv | well, i ask this because i just buy a new computer a few hours ago, and it's get down because of temp i guess, when i try to play at a game ( just a 3D test) |
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| 01:42.33 | _Sam-- | maybe you dont have the motherboard settings right for your cpu |
| 01:42.34 | predder | well, by make a difference I mean enables you to judge if it's running hotter than it should be. I would consider over 65 too hot |
| 01:43.09 | Penix | or don't have a decent cooling solution |
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| 01:43.24 | _Sam-- | probably overclocked |
| 01:43.29 | Penix | can't believe I just said 'solution' |
| 01:43.32 | predder | or his idle is 30 :P |
| 01:43.33 | _Sam-- | can you still do that? |
| 01:43.33 | Penix | feel so pointy haired |
| 01:43.36 | abrotman | dutchfish: get it?(sorry .. phone rang) |
| 01:44.00 | predder | _Sam--, still overclock? hells yes - most decent core2duo chips hit 3ghz |
| 01:44.05 | naiv | i can't disable overcloking in the bios ^^ it's auto 200Mhz or i don't know what |
| 01:44.41 | Penix | gee, I wonder if that has anything to do with it.... |
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| 01:46.31 | dutchfish | abrotman, i think so, yes |
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| 01:47.23 | bthornton | Anybody here have NFSv4 experience? I'm having a problem where all files/directories are mapping to nobody:nogroup. And yes, idmapd is running on both the server and clients. Any ideas where to check? |
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| 01:47.46 | dutchfish | abrotman, i have still many questions, but one for this board left: is there a way to check | enable check-sum offloading for eth0? |
| 01:47.49 | pablo | hi, can i install mplayer with no gui? |
| 01:48.13 | abrotman | pablo: apt-cache search mplayer? |
| 01:48.16 | magyar | where could i get freshly submited packages today? |
| 01:48.25 | abrotman | dutchfish: i'd guess that's a proc setting .. but i don't know |
| 01:48.29 | abrotman | !inout |
| 01:48.29 | dpkg | To see which packages are going in/out of testing today: http://bjorn.haxx.se/debian/accepted.html To see why a package is not in testing "/msg dpkg why is <foo> not in testing" For packages coming into unstable use http://incoming.debian.org/ |
| 01:48.37 | pablo | abrotman: it comes with a gui |
| 01:48.50 | magyar | abrotman: thanks |
| 01:48.51 | mbroeker | pablo, the package mplayer-nogui comes not with a gui |
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| 01:48.57 | abrotman | and i beleieve it has an option for -nogui |
| 01:49.14 | dutchfish | abrotman, ok, must be 2 or 4 settings write & read are dif handles .. mmmm |
| 01:49.31 | dutchfish | abrotman, thx so far! |
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| 01:49.55 | magyar | abrotman: the list includes "non-free"? |
| 01:50.12 | pablo | mbroeker: wheres that package? |
| 01:50.15 | abrotman | magyar: i would imagine |
| 01:50.56 | magyar | abrotman: doesnt look like, just checked the bugtracker and according to the maintainer it was submited today |
| 01:51.25 | mbroeker | pablo, i am using debian lenny and that is installable for me: http://rafb.net/p/WQ144t68.html |
| 01:51.25 | S4nD3r | Ihave problem to compile vmware |
| 01:51.27 | S4nD3r | is there, anyone using that one in lenny without problems |
| 01:51.42 | abrotman | magyar: doesn't mean it got built |
| 01:51.55 | dutchfish | abrotman, it was: ethtool -k eth0 to check ... |
| 01:52.26 | abrotman | yay! |
| 01:52.27 | pobega | mbroeker: I don't have that package available (mplayer-nogui). Are you using any non-Debian sources? |
| 01:53.13 | abrotman | pobega: you're right .. mplayer-nogui doesn't exist .. but maybe it's just an option ? |
| 01:53.18 | pablo | mbroeker: mm is that from the default debian repo? |
| 01:53.28 | vorpal | does anyone know why gnome would insist on showing time in UTC? my system clock is set for my timezone, and my timezone is set correctly |
| 01:53.29 | mbroeker | pobega, yes deb http://www.debian-multimedia.org/ testing main |
| 01:53.53 | pobega | Ah, that's where it's from. Nevermind, then. |
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| 01:54.02 | vorpal | it's shit like that makes me want to use ratpoison |
| 01:54.02 | abrotman | vorpal: what does the 'date' command return ? |
| 01:54.10 | Penix | vorpal: because it's set to in the preferences? |
| 01:54.30 | vorpal | abrotman: it's set for my correct time |
| 01:54.36 | Penix | vorpal: right click the clock->Preferences |
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| 01:55.13 | vorpal | clock type: 24hr, show seconds: false, show date: false, use UTC: false |
| 01:55.30 | vorpal | and yet the clock shows UTC |
| 01:56.19 | dutchfish | vorpal, right click on your upper right time applet at click settings ;) |
| 01:56.46 | Penix | !lose dutchfish |
| 01:56.46 | dpkg | dutchfish: You Lose. |
| 01:56.59 | vorpal | no settings. preferences |
| 01:57.05 | vorpal | which i just enumerated |
| 01:57.38 | dutchfish | vorpal, forgive me, i have a dutch interface :) but you should get the picture by now |
| 01:57.49 | abrotman | Daveman: make it go away! |
| 01:57.58 | Penix | damn upper hemisphere dwellers. gimme some snow |
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| 01:58.18 | dutchfish | !penixstrike Penix |
| 01:58.18 | dpkg | A towering Penix descends from the heavens, knocking Penix to the ground and leaving a large wet spot. |
| 01:58.24 | vorpal | dutchfish: no problem. i have tried all the settings, and gnome still shows UTC. i suppose i will have to dig into the bowels of the time representation in gnome |
| 01:58.41 | abrotman | Penix: you can have all of mine |
| 01:58.51 | Penix | sold |
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| 01:59.32 | Penix | 80F atm with clouds. bleh |
| 01:59.51 | vorpal | abrotman: i think you would like it in southern arizona, where i am |
| 01:59.51 | abrotman | LIVE .. not burn .. jeez |
| 01:59.59 | abrotman | vorpal: not warm enough at night |
| 02:00.01 | mythomaniac | ;) |
| 02:00.03 | Daveman | heehee |
| 02:00.06 | Daveman | :) |
| 02:00.09 | vorpal | abrotman: mild winters. i'm in my skivvies right now |
| 02:00.21 | rahul | &penixstrike penix |
| 02:00.22 | aptitude | A towering Penix descends from the heavens, knocking penix to the ground and leaving a large wet spot. |
| 02:00.30 | dutchfish | its 9 degrees over here, not that bad for december |
| 02:00.52 | abrotman | vorpal: think more like ... panama :) |
| 02:01.06 | Penix | two strikes. one more and I'm gone |
| 02:01.07 | vorpal | abrotman: too much humidity! |
| 02:01.11 | abrotman | not for me |
| 02:01.18 | TheMoken | Hi all: I have a package in debian unstable (nrss) and the maintainer has dropped off the face of the earth. The package has bugs, but they've been fixed for a number of releases, is there a way I can either get a package uploaded myself, or put the package in maintainer-wanted? |
| 02:01.31 | abrotman | !mentors |
| 02:01.31 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, mentors is Please /msg dpkg mg and/or try http://lists.debian.org/debian-mentors/ and/or try #debian-mentors on irc.debian.org, or http://mentors.debian.net/ |
| 02:01.33 | abrotman | !wnpp |
| 02:01.34 | dpkg | For information on packages which are not in Debian but you think should be, check the Work-Needing and Prospective Packages list at http://www.debian.org/devel/wnpp. Also use the script wnpp-alert (from the devscripts package) to see what packages you are using that are in need of help. |
| 02:02.11 | BigFootIT | alguem pode dah uma força ae ? |
| 02:02.16 | Exy | Anyone know if it's possible to have eggbot respond to a symbol rather than its name? |
| 02:02.22 | abrotman | !pt |
| 02:02.22 | dpkg | Esse canal e apenas em ingles. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues. |
| 02:02.33 | Penix | Exy: are you serious? |
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| 02:02.47 | Penix | wait, I'm thinking of blootbot... |
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| 02:03.46 | abrotman | Exy: ask the authors |
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| 02:05.15 | vorpal | hah! |
| 02:05.24 | vorpal | /etc/default/rcS |
| 02:05.26 | magyar | abrotman: cdrecord did the job, thanks |
| 02:05.29 | vorpal | UTS=yes |
| 02:05.33 | vorpal | erm, UTC |
| 02:05.44 | abrotman | vorpal: i thought you said "date" returned the correct value? |
| 02:05.52 | vorpal | abrotman it did! |
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| 02:06.13 | vorpal | now it returns the incorrect value |
| 02:06.36 | abrotman | eh |
| 02:06.49 | vorpal | i remember the installer used to ask if you wanted system clock to be in UTC. i don't recall it doing it that this time |
| 02:06.51 | dutchfish | ntp? |
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| 02:07.03 | vorpal | dutchfish: yes, i have ntp installed |
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| 02:07.18 | dutchfish | vorpal, did you try to restart it yet? |
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| 02:07.39 | abrotman | vorpal: set the UTC=yes .. use tzconfig .. pick the right timezone .. and set gnome to use it also |
| 02:07.41 | chun_ | hi all |
| 02:07.51 | abrotman | erm .. UTC=no |
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| 02:08.04 | chun_ | i am trying to compile gnu screen on lenny and am getting stuck with no libtermcap:/ |
| 02:08.34 | chun_ | and i understand that termcap-compat is no longer exists.. |
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| 02:08.53 | chun_ | anyone know how to solve this? |
| 02:09.15 | YaleR | anything weird going on with the repos? |
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| 02:10.55 | abrotman | YaleR: they're making eggs! |
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| 02:11.19 | vorpal | brb |
| 02:11.21 | vorpal | .quit |
| 02:11.33 | TheMoken | abrotman: not sure if those !s were for me, but I'm not the maintainer so mentors isn't for me, and the package is already in unstable, it's dont WNPP/ITP... |
| 02:11.46 | abrotman | TheMoken: but you want to update it |
| 02:13.04 | TheMoken | abrotman: yes, but since I'm not a DD, I'd either need one to do an NMU or at least put it on maintainer-wanted, right? |
| 02:13.17 | abrotman | TheMoken: that's what mentors is for |
| 02:13.21 | karsten | http://linuxmafia.com/~karsten/cpio.1.gz |
| 02:14.21 | TheMoken | abrotman: Oh, I see. I guess I'll just spam the mentors list and see if anyone'll help me out |
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| 02:14.37 | abrotman | TheMoken: which package is it? |
| 02:14.39 | mbroeker | chun, are you not able to build screen with this informations here? |
| 02:14.43 | TheMoken | abrotman: nrss |
| 02:14.58 | mbroeker | chun, http://packages.debian.org/source/lenny/screen thats the information :) |
| 02:15.24 | abrotman | TheMoken: the one in there is only 2-3 months old |
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| 02:15.43 | TheMoken | abrotman: yeah, but it's 6 versions of serious bug fixes behind |
| 02:16.03 | chun | mbroeker: yes, i know i can install screen that way, but i would like to compile it myself |
| 02:16.15 | abrotman | TheMoken: file a bug? tell them that many issues are fixed .. possibly including the ones in bugs.debian.org/nrss |
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| 02:16.25 | mbroeker | chun, yes and you need the dependencies anyway. |
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| 02:16.42 | chun | mbroeker: the one i got from apt is a bit funny here, so i want to test with the source |
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| 02:17.23 | TheMoken | abrotman: hmm, I suppose. Maybe I'll do both |
| 02:17.32 | abrotman | TheMoken: or try contacting the maintainer |
| 02:17.34 | abrotman | !maint nrss |
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| 02:17.40 | chun | mbroeker: i read on debian faq that says debian don't use libtermcap, it uses libncurses instead.. |
| 02:17.46 | dpkg | nrss: Michael Casadevall <sonicmctails@gmail.com> |
| 02:18.02 | TheMoken | abrotman: maintainer has been incommunicado since that package was uploaded |
| 02:18.09 | chun | mbroeker: hence the termcap-compat, but its no longer avaiable:/ |
| 02:18.19 | mbroeker | chun, afaik can you tell ./configure to use libreadline instead of libtermcap |
| 02:18.22 | abrotman | TheMoken: are you willing to be the maintainer? |
| 02:18.35 | S4nD3r | I have vmware installed in my pc, but ITs impossible to run... |
| 02:18.42 | S4nD3r | when I tries, but nothing happens |
| 02:18.42 | TheMoken | abrotman: hehe, it's my project, sure... but I'm not a DD |
| 02:18.46 | abrotman | S4nD3r: tell #vmware |
| 02:19.06 | S4nD3r | ok |
| 02:19.07 | chun | mbroeker: right, let me take a look at that |
| 02:19.07 | chun | thx |
| 02:19.10 | abrotman | TheMoken: you don't have to be .. 1) you can just get a sponsor 2) they just opened a new program called DM so you don't have to do all the DD stuff to be a maintainer |
| 02:20.08 | DustyBin | i shouldnt paste this here but this is some guys opinion about apache and debian: naughty naughty me :P |
| 02:20.11 | DustyBin | 02:18 < thumbs> DustyBin: it creates 88% of the problems people expose here |
| 02:20.13 | DustyBin | 02:18 < thumbs> DustyBin: it's the worst, least-maintanable layout of all the distros |
| 02:20.17 | DustyBin | 02:18 < thumbs> DustyBin: and it doesn't make and bloody sense |
| 02:20.40 | abrotman | DustyBin: he could help fix it if he's got a problem with it .. otherwise .. he's no help at all |
| 02:20.46 | DustyBin | hehe |
| 02:20.55 | jeremy_c | I have exim4 setup and delivering in diff domains into a virtual dir (/home/vmail/$domain/$local_part) but it seems to be rejecting anyone who does not have a local account. Can anyone point me to the point in the exim4 config where that is happening? |
| 02:20.56 | abrotman | DustyBin: i've been using it for quite awhile .. works for me .. |
| 02:21.07 | dondelelcaro | DustyBin: what in particular about it is he complaining about? |
| 02:21.18 | DustyBin | hes not a very happy person.. |
| 02:21.35 | abrotman | DustyBin: i've talked with him before .. he's generally not .. and it has nothing to do with debian :) |
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| 02:21.38 | DustyBin | come into #apache and speak to him or her for yourself :D |
| 02:21.55 | DustyBin | hes a nice chap... :-D |
| 02:21.58 | DustyBin | :-S |
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| 02:23.44 | petemc | jeremy_c: recipient verification, its done in the acls, it uses the routers to decide if a mail can be delivered or not |
| 02:23.45 | DustyBin | 02:16 < thumbs> I don't trust debian's config |
| 02:24.05 | stiv2k | hey where do i put downloaded gtk2 themes? |
| 02:24.07 | abrotman | that's useful |
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| 02:25.51 | zythmer | abrotman: Is this what you're referring to for DM? http://www.debian.org/vote/2007/vote_003 |
| 02:26.10 | abrotman | zythmer: yes |
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| 02:26.38 | Azar | DustyBin: psss I guess that's Torvalds disguised under thumbs name |
| 02:26.47 | DustyBin | haha |
| 02:27.33 | sarixe | hi, just upgraded to linux 2.6.22-3 in lenny, and this has disabled my wifi. i tried to m-a prepare, then when it failed, i realized that i wasn't connected to the internet. |
| 02:27.47 | Azar | fun |
| 02:27.49 | penp | haha |
| 02:27.55 | elmo40 | wow, debian has ~1000 devs? |
| 02:27.56 | sarixe | thus i am in a catch-22. is there a way to m-a to a different kernel version? |
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| 02:28.13 | dondelelcaro | DustyBin: anyway, if you're having specific problems, feel free to ask here. |
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| 02:28.40 | DustyBin | aye i will :D |
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| 02:28.49 | sarixe | either that, or what would m-a be getting from the internet in order to build the madwifi stuff? |
| 02:29.05 | Azar | so damn!! my repositories get pulled, I guess now I HAVE TO find a Etch CD |
| 02:29.12 | abrotman | dondelelcaro: is there a better place for DM docs ? |
| 02:29.12 | penp | sarixe: not that i know of, but doesnt m-a just downloads source packages? as long as you're not changing architecture you should be able to just do like m-a prepare from your current system |
| 02:29.17 | penp | then m-a a-i |
| 02:29.21 | dondelelcaro | abrotman: DM docs? |
| 02:29.25 | abrotman | Debian Maintainer |
| 02:29.32 | zythmer | elmo40: I watched Anthony Towns' talk on video.google.com and he mentioned 1,000 to 1,500 depending on who you ask or how you count. |
| 02:29.33 | dondelelcaro | abrotman: there's not really much documentation on it |
| 02:29.37 | abrotman | i didn't think so |
| 02:29.39 | dondelelcaro | abrotman: what in particular did you want to know about? |
| 02:29.41 | sarixe | penp: however, i won't have internet if i boot into 2.6.22-3 |
| 02:29.50 | abrotman | dondelelcaro: how we tell people to do it if they want |
| 02:29.58 | abrotman | !dstats sid |
| 02:30.00 | sarixe | penp: so i'm in 2.6.22-2 right now... i guess i could just apt-get install linux-headers? |
| 02:30.07 | dpkg | Debian Distro Stats on sid... 22245 packages, 1901 maintainers, 56150 MB installed size, 19444 MB compressed size. |
| 02:30.09 | dondelelcaro | abrotman: they should already be maintaining or doing work on Debian, and should ask their sponsors/mentors about it |
| 02:30.16 | abrotman | okay .. easy enough |
| 02:30.23 | penp | sarixe: yes, but if the source packages you need are already installed, it should work |
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| 02:30.43 | sarixe | penp: ok |
| 02:30.44 | penp | sarixe: otherwise you may need to manually download debs (i had to do that on my first installation of debian) |
| 02:30.49 | penp | and their deps |
| 02:30.49 | penp | lol |
| 02:30.52 | elmo40 | 56Gb installed? WOW!!! But you cant install ALL 22245packages, can you? dont some conflict/replace others? |
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| 02:31.01 | sarixe | penp: that's what apt is good for :D |
| 02:31.18 | penp | sarixe: not if you have no connection w/o wireless |
| 02:31.30 | sarixe | well that's what i'm getting it now for |
| 02:31.33 | Azar | wtf 56GB? I only have 2GB installed |
| 02:31.36 | penp | yeah |
| 02:31.40 | penp | i use ndiswrapper though |
| 02:31.54 | sarixe | bleh |
| 02:32.09 | penp | but the build procedure is basically the same w/ m-a |
| 02:32.14 | Azar | oh thats only unstable packages.. |
| 02:32.23 | elmo40 | Azar: but you dont have all 22,245 packages installed. |
| 02:32.26 | S4nD3r | lol |
| 02:32.40 | elmo40 | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:32.46 | elmo40 | will take some time downloading! |
| 02:32.48 | Azar | elmo40: yeah, I realized: it makes sense: I don't need them all |
| 02:32.58 | elmo40 | i dont think anyone 'needs' them all |
| 02:33.24 | Azar | elmo40: you install only what you need, they don't come all over to crush you |
| 02:33.27 | sarixe | er... and why is linux-image 486 installed? shouldn't it be 686? |
| 02:33.45 | elmo40 | sarixe: that is a drawn out debate. |
| 02:33.54 | sarixe | (this is an amd64 processor, running an x86 system) |
| 02:34.05 | sarixe | so then it's a matter of preference? |
| 02:34.08 | kgoetz | only 20 GB for sid? |
| 02:34.21 | penp | 486 is installed by default i think |
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| 02:34.41 | rocketmagnet | hi, does someone know if i can use rsync over ftp only ? |
| 02:34.43 | sarixe | but could i safely use 686, previously having used 486? |
| 02:34.53 | penp | i'd assume so |
| 02:34.54 | sarixe | and are there many advantages to doing either? |
| 02:35.07 | elmo40 | rocketmagnet: only? you mean rsync over ssh? |
| 02:35.07 | Azar | what, no more k7, k8? just 686 ? |
| 02:35.08 | sarixe | well i don't really wanna go on an assumption... |
| 02:35.10 | penp | the difference between 486/686 is mostly at the kernel level, not the code of the programs |
| 02:35.25 | elmo40 | rocketmagnet: rsync (by default, i am sure of) uses ssh for remote access |
| 02:35.27 | sarixe | Azar : i see k7 |
| 02:35.32 | penp | i have a k7 kernel |
| 02:35.38 | penp | because i have an athlon xp 2500+ |
| 02:35.45 | Azar | k7 is for AMD32, k8 is for AMD64 |
| 02:36.05 | rocketmagnet | but i have no ssh access, it claims to be able to use other shells than ssh, but that requires something on the remove page right ? |
| 02:36.12 | sarixe | i have athlon 64 3500+ |
| 02:36.13 | Azar | I guess 686 is for the boring intel |
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| 02:36.38 | penp | 686 is for 32bit intel |
| 02:36.39 | sarixe | so it couldn't run on amd then? |
| 02:36.47 | penp | it can and will run on amd |
| 02:36.51 | penp | because it's still x86 |
| 02:36.56 | sarixe | thought so |
| 02:36.56 | penp | (amd are still x86) |
| 02:36.59 | Azar | use the kx series for amd.. |
| 02:36.59 | penp | its just |
| 02:37.12 | penp | the kx kernels know amd specific cpu instructions |
| 02:37.13 | sarixe | kx is better than x86 for amd? |
| 02:37.21 | penp | and the x86 kernels know the intel specific cpu instructions |
| 02:37.29 | penp | ya probably |
| 02:37.37 | Azar | sarixe: is not "better" it is FOR |
| 02:37.39 | elmo40 | rocketmagnet: if you can ftp, then can you not rsync from the ftp terminal? |
| 02:37.43 | sarixe | oh true |
| 02:37.53 | Kevin` | i'm pretty sure amd cpus support all the recent *86 instructions. so it would WORK |
| 02:37.54 | sarixe | so k7 would run fine on a 64-bit? |
| 02:38.05 | rocketmagnet | elmo40: ftp terminal ? |
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| 02:38.12 | Azar | no , sarixe I said up but you dont read: k8 is for AMD64 |
| 02:38.17 | Kevin` | using amd optimized code would of course be better |
| 02:38.22 | penp | but |
| 02:38.29 | penp | k8 is still a 32 bit kernel |
| 02:38.30 | penp | right? |
| 02:38.33 | sarixe | but there is no k8 |
| 02:38.37 | sarixe | not that i see |
| 02:38.50 | Azar | well, it used to be.... in sarge |
| 02:38.55 | penp | lol |
| 02:38.57 | sarixe | lol |
| 02:38.58 | Azar | maybe etch/lenny took it out |
| 02:39.07 | sarixe | would it be amd64? |
| 02:39.09 | sarixe | because i see that |
| 02:39.26 | penp | sarixe: if you wanted to run 64 bit applications, then yes, you need that kernel |
| 02:39.31 | penp | sarixe: otherwise, stick to k7 or 686 |
| 02:39.32 | sarixe | i don't |
| 02:39.37 | sarixe | i want to keep it 32 |
| 02:39.39 | elmo40 | rocketmagnet: are you in a linux machine right now? If so, you more then likely have the ftp client. just type: ftp |
| 02:39.42 | penp | yeah |
| 02:39.42 | Azar | sarixe: you did an apt-cache search linux-image? |
| 02:39.46 | sarixe | no |
| 02:39.51 | sarixe | i searched in synaptic |
| 02:39.56 | penp | lol |
| 02:40.01 | sarixe | <- noob |
| 02:40.07 | sarixe | not really |
| 02:40.09 | sarixe | it's just easier |
| 02:40.15 | elmo40 | rocketmagnet: then move around like a regular console drone would... ls, cd, mv... |
| 02:40.17 | penp | i find apt way easier =p |
| 02:40.19 | Azar | well, open up a term, as root and type: apt-cache search linux-image |
| 02:40.25 | sarixe | well i know how to do that |
| 02:40.25 | Azar | see what options you get |
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| 02:40.29 | sarixe | ok |
| 02:40.31 | Azar | synamptic..pff |
| 02:40.34 | penp | haha |
| 02:40.50 | lindenle | anyone know if you can specify username by port for the same host in ssh_config |
| 02:41.07 | penp | username by port? |
| 02:41.15 | elmo40 | rocketmagnet: ok, nevermind... cant rsync over ftp. |
| 02:41.18 | sarixe | 486, 686, 686-bigmem, amd64, k7 |
| 02:41.20 | sarixe | no k8 |
| 02:41.28 | Azar | ok then k8 is amd64 |
| 02:41.29 | penp | yeah, no k8 |
| 02:41.36 | sarixe | yeah |
| 02:41.38 | Azar | and k7 is 32 |
| 02:41.56 | sarixe | so k7 is basically x86 for amd? |
| 02:42.06 | sarixe | or is it a completely different arch? |
| 02:42.11 | Azar | yep I guess the semprons , opterons |
| 02:42.21 | Azar | and athlons |
| 02:42.31 | sarixe | :D |
| 02:42.37 | sarixe | but it does run like x86? |
| 02:42.40 | rahul | except for the ones that are k8 |
| 02:42.48 | Kevin` | sarixe yes, it does |
| 02:42.48 | rahul | sarixe: they are x86 compatibles... |
| 02:42.49 | Azar | haha rahul! |
| 02:42.53 | Kevin` | sarixe it even runs windows :o |
| 02:42.59 | rahul | hoho Azar! |
| 02:43.00 | sarixe | true true |
| 02:43.08 | Azar | rahul: I don't see your g/f |
| 02:43.12 | rahul | which one? |
| 02:43.19 | Azar | the last one? |
| 02:43.19 | rahul | oh, the one you share with me |
| 02:43.22 | sarixe | but my main concern is, it will still run all the apps that an x86 kernel can run? |
| 02:43.43 | rahul | sarixe: have you never heard of AMD? |
| 02:43.49 | sarixe | i am running an amd |
| 02:43.52 | Azar | < Nyle> I'm gonna kill you both! That hurts! |
| 02:43.58 | rahul | heh |
| 02:44.05 | sarixe | but an x86 kernel |
| 02:44.22 | sarixe | because i don't actually want a 64-bit system (yet) |
| 02:44.30 | rahul | oh my goodness |
| 02:44.35 | rahul | !penixstrike sarixe |
| 02:44.35 | dpkg | A towering Penix descends from the heavens, knocking sarixe to the ground and leaving a large wet spot. |
| 02:44.41 | Azar | :) |
| 02:44.46 | sarixe | interesting... |
| 02:44.49 | elmo40 | >_< |
| 02:44.56 | rahul | sarixe: why don't you have the same concerns about an intel pentium? |
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| 02:45.13 | rahul | sarixe: those are also not "truely" x86. they're just x86 compatible chips. |
| 02:45.18 | sarixe | o |
| 02:45.26 | rahul | pentium since the ppro, to be exact |
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| 02:45.32 | abrotman | including ppro |
| 02:45.38 | rahul | right |
| 02:45.46 | Azar | rahul: amd said intel stole all they work all the time |
| 02:45.56 | sarixe | so... the answer would be yes, k7 runs x86 apps? |
| 02:46.00 | abrotman | yes |
| 02:46.01 | Azar | was in an article on Inquirer last week |
| 02:46.02 | rahul | Azar: yeah, well... more or less |
| 02:46.03 | sarixe | ok |
| 02:46.19 | sarixe | so then i can switch over to a k7 system without a problem? |
| 02:46.27 | sarixe | s/system/kernel |
| 02:46.28 | DustyBin | how do you get apache webserver to execute .pl files, ive managed to get .cgi files executed by following this guide: http://httpd.apache.org/docs/2.2/howto/cgi.html but just cannot get .pl files to execute |
| 02:46.30 | rahul | Azar: it was kind of shocking how fast intel released amd64-compatible chips |
| 02:46.46 | rahul | DustyBin: call them .cgi |
| 02:46.53 | DustyBin | ohhh |
| 02:46.58 | Azar | yeah, I allways suspected intel, never bought their stuff... amd since I was a teenager |
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| 02:47.11 | DustyBin | rahul: could that interfere with the way scripts are written |
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| 02:47.14 | rahul | well, it's no reason to not buy their stuff |
| 02:47.26 | Azar | rahul: is a family tradition |
| 02:47.29 | rahul | if they stole, they'll have to pay AMD the profits they made off your sale anyway |
| 02:48.08 | rahul | (unless they do like MS and get the government to suddenly drop the case against them when the administration changes.....) |
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| 02:48.20 | rahul | DustyBin: then don't write crappy code, heh |
| 02:48.34 | DustyBin | its not my code |
| 02:48.36 | rahul | why should code depend on the file name of the file it's in? |
| 02:49.16 | Azar | rahul: speaking of stealing: Ubuntu's Garret to MPAA: ""MPAA don't f*** with my s***," hehe |
| 02:49.47 | rahul | don't ubuntu-ers use non-free software for A/V anyway? |
| 02:50.06 | Azar | rahul: yeah, it was kinda funny from them to jump up like that |
| 02:50.33 | Azar | but nice gesture to defend the GPLed code |
| 02:51.45 | sarixe | ok, i'm getting linux-headers and linux-image for k7 |
| 02:52.16 | stiv2k | how do i remove the entire KDE and associated programs? |
| 02:53.06 | beardy | stiv2k: By doing what you did when you installed, in reverse. Hopefully you are using aptitude. |
| 02:53.11 | sarixe | will k7 probably run more efficiently than 486? |
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| 02:53.30 | beardy | sarixe: A tiny, tiny bit perhaps. |
| 02:53.34 | sarixe | k |
| 02:53.43 | sarixe | alright, i'm out |
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| 02:53.47 | stiv2k | beardy: it came installed |
| 02:53.50 | sarixe | gonna try this stuff |
| 02:53.57 | beardy | stiv2k: Came installed? |
| 02:54.08 | stiv2k | came with the OS, yes |
| 02:54.48 | beardy | KDE is not default. Are you running ubuntu? |
| 02:54.49 | Coweater | !remove kde |
| 02:54.49 | dpkg | from memory, remove kde is aptitude purge kdelibs-data kdelibs4c2a |
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| 02:59.28 | vorpal | mein gott! that was agravating |
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| 03:00.32 | vorpal | deleted /etc/adjtime and ran tzselect. and that fixed things |
| 03:01.17 | vorpal | something somewhere was caching timezone info |
| 03:01.33 | vorpal | remind me to find this something and teach it a lesson |
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| 03:08.10 | sarixe | awesome, k7 works |
| 03:08.28 | sarixe | with wifi (now that i had linux-headers beforehand) |
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| 03:11.25 | vorpal | hmm, tzselect doesn't change timezones |
| 03:11.57 | vorpal | wtf, i need to understand how my system does time, now. |
| 03:11.59 | rahul | it changes the default |
| 03:12.00 | vorpal | ;-) |
| 03:12.04 | rahul | but it's an env var |
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| 03:12.49 | vorpal | rahul, i had this wierd problem where the system clock was my local time, but gnome and various other things were reporting UTC |
| 03:13.12 | vorpal | first i fixed /etc/default/rcS |
| 03:13.23 | vorpal | reboot |
| 03:13.28 | vorpal | still same problem |
| 03:13.40 | vorpal | then i delete /etc/adjtime |
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| 03:13.54 | vorpal | reboot, still same problem |
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| 03:14.08 | vorpal | then i ran tzselect, and the problem was fixed |
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| 03:14.31 | _Sam-- | what is the best way to debug kernel oops system crashes if there is nothing in the logs and no core files, etc? |
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| 03:14.51 | vorpal | but the man page says, "Nothe that tzselect will not actually change the timezone for you. Use the tzconfig(8) utility to achieve this." |
| 03:15.19 | vorpal | the mispelling is accurate reproductin |
| 03:16.14 | vorpal | _Sam--: a kernel oops will spew something to the screen |
| 03:16.24 | vorpal | as far as i remember |
| 03:16.28 | _Sam-- | im remote to it, and the people rebooting it cant reguritate 800 lines |
| 03:16.35 | vorpal | ah, then you are screwed |
| 03:16.49 | _Sam-- | no, there are ways to log, or debug it, but thanks for your knowledge. |
| 03:16.57 | _Sam-- | maybe rsyslog etc |
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| 03:17.26 | vorpal | you mean a system that is already crashed, or in the future? |
| 03:17.36 | _Sam-- | one that is going to crash, again. |
| 03:17.38 | _Sam-- | is running now. |
| 03:18.06 | vorpal | oh, well sure, you can do things. i thought you were doing a post mortem |
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| 03:19.14 | _Sam-- | what would you suggest? i am having repeated problems with etch 2.6.18-5-686 crashing hard, with kernel oops |
| 03:19.24 | vorpal | first thing you can do is attach a serial printer to a console |
| 03:19.34 | _Sam-- | thats not an option. |
| 03:19.39 | abrotman | !memtest |
| 03:19.39 | dpkg | memtest is probably http://www.memtest.org/ . Also check out http://rick.vanrein.org/linux/badram/, or check out the packages memtest86 and memtest86+, or "aptitude install memtest86+" and read /usr/share/doc/memtest86+, or for cpu temperature testing use the cpuburn package, or ask me about <cpuburn> |
| 03:19.42 | _Sam-- | but i could maybe do remote serioal console |
| 03:20.19 | vorpal | that could work |
| 03:20.59 | _Sam-- | abrotman : thanks. what are the differences between the three debian packages shown in apt-cache search memtest |
| 03:21.05 | _Sam-- | and should i use one of them |
| 03:21.23 | abrotman | download/burn/use the bootable iso |
| 03:21.44 | _Sam-- | thank you . that would be a nice option if i were there. may still do that. |
| 03:23.22 | _Sam-- | there is no way to get it (my kernel?) to leave any core or useful debugging info when it crashes? |
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| 03:24.08 | Penix | yes, there is |
| 03:24.25 | don_armstrong | _Sam--: the general method is to use a serial console to log into the kernel debugger |
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| 03:25.03 | heatman | Hello. 1) is there a way to block/turn off all unused ports without going one by one. 2) How can i set up my second internal hdd (logical ext3 partition) to mount upon boot? |
| 03:25.07 | _Sam-- | dondelelcaro : i know it may be a long shot, but do you know of any howto? |
| 03:25.13 | _Sam-- | i can do the remote serial console myself. |
| 03:25.19 | _Sam-- | but i dont know the other steps |
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| 03:25.45 | kgoetz | heatman: turn off unused ports? |
| 03:26.06 | dondelelcaro | _Sam--: http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Linux_kernel#Debugging |
| 03:26.13 | Penix | probably want to block/drop incoming by default or something |
| 03:26.19 | Penix | s/want/wants/ |
| 03:26.21 | heatman | kgoetz: yeah, port 6776 eg. so that my box is not vulnerable to attacks |
| 03:26.23 | dondelelcaro | heatman: uh... all unused ports are off by definition |
| 03:26.28 | Nyle | what kind of a super power does Heatman have? |
| 03:26.31 | _Sam-- | dondelelcaro : thakns. |
| 03:26.40 | rahul | da na da na da na da na, Heatman! |
| 03:26.44 | Azar | mister Nyle |
| 03:27.10 | dondelelcaro | it's only if you have a service running on a port (or the possibility of someone running a service on a port) that it's really worth bothering about blocking them |
| 03:27.24 | Penix | the ability to morph in to the entire Miami Heat roster |
| 03:27.34 | dondelelcaro | sidekick |
| 03:28.06 | Penix | I've been playing too much NBA2K |
| 03:28.13 | _Sam-- | thanks again, that seems simple. |
| 03:28.39 | Azar | heatman: use iptables if you want to feel secure |
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| 03:28.49 | _Sam-- | after i get the oops data captured to my remote minicom, what then do i do with it? |
| 03:28.57 | abrotman | Penix: what .. no NBA Jam ? |
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| 03:29.20 | Penix | abrotman: got Hoopz. next best thing for the Dreamcast |
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| 03:29.44 | abrotman | Penix: jump into the new millinium .. get a PS1 |
| 03:30.03 | Penix | pfft. the Emotion Engine will play them all away. lolz kthx |
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| 03:30.07 | Penix | s/play/blow/ |
| 03:30.09 | abrotman | hehe |
| 03:30.32 | rahul | Penix: yeah, play to blow is the proper transition |
| 03:30.38 | Penix | hehe |
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| 03:32.30 | _Sam-- | basically, after i capture an oops, it may show me which process or module caused it, but how do i get help resolving it permanently? |
| 03:33.09 | Penix | someone get me a spoon |
| 03:33.16 | _Sam-- | lol |
| 03:33.25 | Nyle | fag |
| 03:33.33 | rahul | behnchode |
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| 03:33.47 | Nyle | at least behn is still a girl |
| 03:33.49 | Nyle | moron |
| 03:33.53 | Nyle | hehe |
| 03:34.07 | Penix | cigarettes and spooning don't mix |
| 03:34.09 | sarixe | bleh, i'm having problems with usb drives in gnome |
| 03:34.14 | rahul | and yo MAMA is a girl! |
| 03:34.33 | sarixe | what's happening is that the normal window that pops up with the contents of the drive, doesn't pop up |
| 03:34.38 | mbroeker | every girl is a bitch except mum |
| 03:34.41 | rahul | cigs + spooning = burned hair |
| 03:34.45 | Nyle | mmm |
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| 03:34.48 | Penix | sarixe: turned on automount and auto browse etc. ? |
| 03:34.54 | sarixe | penix, how? |
| 03:34.56 | Nyle | sarixe: installed pmount? |
| 03:34.57 | dto | hello. I have an external USB drive on ext4fs that I map to a particular mount point via having the partition's UUID in /etc/fstab. But I think i set up either the mount options wrong, or the permissions of the mount point, because i can't create directories on it as a normal user. |
| 03:35.06 | dto | i'm in the audio group, and so are all the files/dirs on the disk |
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| 03:35.12 | dto | but i can't seem to create anything there |
| 03:35.12 | Penix | sarixe: Preferences->Removable drives and media |
| 03:35.46 | sarixe | yes, that was already checked |
| 03:35.58 | sarixe | Mount removable drives when hot-plugged |
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| 03:36.06 | sarixe | Mount removable media when inserted |
| 03:36.14 | sarixe | Browse removable media when inserted |
| 03:36.17 | sarixe | that's what was checked |
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| 03:36.29 | Nyle | yo |
| 03:36.32 | Nyle | chill |
| 03:36.34 | Nyle | ffs |
| 03:36.41 | rahul | no |
| 03:36.50 | Penix | sarixe: is the drive actually mounting properly when inserted? (forget about gnome) |
| 03:36.59 | sarixe | it can mount, yes |
| 03:37.08 | sarixe | here's what happens |
| 03:37.15 | sarixe | i plug it in |
| 03:37.33 | sarixe | (this is an iPod) it says Connected |
| 03:37.41 | Penix | an iPod? there's your problem |
| 03:37.44 | sarixe | no |
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| 03:37.53 | sarixe | this also happens with my usb flash drive |
| 03:38.01 | sarixe | (except without the display, lol) |
| 03:38.13 | galleon | libgoffice-1-2 has gone missing. Does anyone know if it is going to be coming back to unstable anytime soon? |
| 03:38.20 | sarixe | and i have gotten this working with this same ipod |
| 03:38.42 | sarixe | the thing is, when i type `mount' at the terminal, there is no reference to it having been mounted already |
| 03:39.00 | sarixe | but then i can mount it, mount /dev/sdb1 |
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| 03:39.29 | abrotman | galleon: i'd say yes http://incoming.debian.org/ |
| 03:39.32 | sarixe | and then it shows up in /media/usb0 |
| 03:39.37 | galleon | cool thanks |
| 03:39.46 | abrotman | galleon: at least .. tehre is a libgoffice there |
| 03:39.55 | galleon | That will work for me |
| 03:39.57 | galleon | :) |
| 03:40.31 | heatman | Can someone tell me what would be the best firewall for etch? |
| 03:40.49 | dondelelcaro | heatman: they're all different, and built for different purposes. |
| 03:41.17 | sarixe | penix: also, briefly, i noticed a failed message during boot, saying something about mtab and proc usb something being already mounted |
| 03:41.27 | sarixe | would that have any bearing here? |
| 03:44.37 | jngu1 | Anyone here use xfce? |
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| 03:45.36 | vvn | my debian box hangs after syslogd and klogd at boot...and there's NO log after klogd's start...that's in init2, I can boot fine in init1, what should I look for? |
| 03:46.17 | Vasistha | !anyone |
| 03:46.17 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone uses <someprogram>. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use <someprogram>?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls> |
| 03:46.28 | jngu1 | lol |
| 03:46.29 | jngu1 | sorry. |
| 03:46.29 | dondelelcaro | vvn: hangs in what way? does numlock still work? |
| 03:46.47 | jngu1 | I'm using debian unstable, and I think the latest dist-upgrade breaks my xfce install. |
| 03:47.05 | abrotman | jngu1: did you check the bts? |
| 03:47.09 | asg | jngu1: /msg dpkg bts |
| 03:47.13 | jngu1 | thanks. |
| 03:47.14 | dondelelcaro | jngu1: see what packages were upgraded and what the symptoms are, and then check the BTS. |
| 03:47.28 | jngu1 | I've never heard of BTS |
| 03:47.29 | sarixe | oh shit i just noticed something |
| 03:47.35 | sarixe | /dev/sdb1 is in my fstab |
| 03:47.39 | Vasistha | jngu1: then you probably shouldn't be running unstable |
| 03:47.46 | jngu1 | yes I have |
| 03:47.46 | sarixe | and it has noauto as an option |
| 03:47.51 | jngu1 | I just dind't know it was called bts. |
| 03:47.57 | Vasistha | hehheh |
| 03:47.58 | sarixe | that probably would stop it from being automatically mounted.. |
| 03:48.03 | sarixe | brb... |
| 03:48.05 | vvn | dondelelcaro: umm good point, lemme check |
| 03:48.34 | dondelelcaro | vvn: also, if you want to know what starts immediately after whatever is failing, see the S entries in /etc/rc2.d/ |
| 03:49.08 | vvn | ummm...20's the first right? |
| 03:49.27 | dondelelcaro | vvn: it goes in numerical order, S00 is first S99 is last. |
| 03:49.50 | dondelelcaro | (well, techincally, it goes in whatever order runparts says, but we won't go there) |
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| 03:50.50 | jngu1 | anyway to get apt-cache search to display version number? |
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| 03:51.08 | jngu1 | nevermind. |
| 03:51.34 | abrotman | apt-cache policy |
| 03:52.45 | jngu1 | I have one more stupid apt question, sorry: I'm trying to apt-get install thunar-data, but it says it has the newest version. But when I apt-cache showpkg thunar-data, it says a newer version than I have instralled. |
| 03:52.54 | jngu1 | and what are Reverse depends? |
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| 03:56.02 | vvn | dondelelcaro: num lock works |
| 03:56.11 | dondelelcaro | vvn: ok, then it hasn't hung completely. |
| 03:56.29 | dondelelcaro | vvn: how long have you let it sit? have you tried ^c? |
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| 03:56.46 | vvn | yup |
| 03:57.05 | vvn | I thought at the beginning it was the ipv6 kernel module then bind...removed then still there |
| 03:57.22 | dondelelcaro | vvn: can you give us the output of ls -l /etc/rc2.d/;? can you also give us the output on the screen? [Or at least, as much of the latter bits as possible] |
| 03:57.39 | vvn | now I rebooted and reinstalled bind, it starts syslogd, klogd and then bind |
| 03:57.43 | vvn | uhm...I'll try hehe |
| 03:58.10 | dondelelcaro | a picture of the screen will work |
| 03:58.14 | vvn | right |
| 03:58.24 | dondelelcaro | (for the bit where it stops) |
| 03:58.32 | vvn | uhm..I dunno a website to paste pictures... |
| 03:58.36 | dondelelcaro | !paste |
| 03:58.37 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 3 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://channels.debian.net/paste/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. |
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| 04:03.23 | vvn | nice |
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| 04:06.44 | jeremy_c | when upgrading from exim-daemon-light to heavy, will debian goof w/my config file? Will I have to start from scratch again? |
| 04:07.12 | kgoetz | shouldnt |
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| 04:08.00 | dondelelcaro | jeremy_c: if something screws with the configuration file, it's a serious bug. |
| 04:08.17 | jeremy_c | I'm new to debian. Thanks, that makes me happy. |
| 04:08.21 | dondelelcaro | (some configuration may still be required, of course, but...) |
| 04:09.20 | vvn | wont be long, im trying to get my sdcard reader to work.. |
| 04:09.49 | vvn | is the sysrq (magic keys) activated in default debian kernel? |
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| 04:10.30 | dondelelcaro | vvn: CONFIG_MAGIC_SYSRQ=y |
| 04:10.43 | dondelelcaro | vvn: see /boot/config-$(uname -r); |
| 04:11.02 | vvn | k |
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| 04:14.23 | K|NgGh0sT | Any XFS Gurus? I'm runnign xfs_repair on a vg0 and I get Phase 1 - find and verify superblock... bad primary superblock - bad magic number !!! attempting to find secondary superblock... and it keeps going forever |
| 04:15.35 | vvn | dondelelcaro: http://picpaste.com/IMG_5143.JPG http://picpaste.com/IMG_5144.JPG http://picpaste.com/IMG_5145.JPG http://picpaste.com/IMG_5146.JPG |
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| 04:16.17 | Gekz | is there a way I can remove all the development packages? |
| 04:17.06 | dondelelcaro | Gekz: use aptitude, go to the lib-devel section, and mark them all as automatically installed. |
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| 04:18.08 | dondelelcaro | vvn: hrm... why are you killing exim4 in runlevel 2? |
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| 04:18.48 | Gekz | dondelelcaro: what does that mean |
| 04:18.58 | dondelelcaro | Gekz: what parts of it? |
| 04:18.59 | Gekz | will that remove thenm |
| 04:19.00 | fsteves | I just sucked myself into gigabit ethernet around the house, and now that I just finished, realized my hardware (SATA to SATA over ethernet) wont even do that much throughput |
| 04:19.02 | Gekz | ? |
| 04:19.09 | Gekz | "mark them all as automatically installed." |
| 04:19.15 | vvn | dondelelcaro: iirc, it's in order to let qmail run correctly |
| 04:19.21 | dondelelcaro | Gekz: it'll mark them as automatically installed, which will cause those that aren't depenended on by other things to be removed. |
| 04:19.28 | dondelelcaro | vvn: oh, you've got qmail installed? |
| 04:19.40 | vvn | yea |
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| 04:20.05 | vvn | next time it's a postfix I'll install...heh |
| 04:20.13 | fsteves | i guess it will be ok when i stream |
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| 04:20.25 | Gekz | dondelelcaro: cool, thanks |
| 04:20.27 | dondelelcaro | vvn: you probably should remove exim then and use the equivs to create a mail-transport-agent package (or better, use the qmail-src package) |
| 04:20.31 | jnguy | Hello again. Is there a way to install the previous version of a package? |
| 04:20.50 | dondelelcaro | jnguy: add an appropriate snapshot.debian.net line to your sources.list and install it |
| 04:20.59 | jnguy | thanks. |
| 04:21.13 | dondelelcaro | vvn: but that's probably not the root problem; most likely it's bind or bind9 that is failing for whatever reason. If you ^c at that point, what happens? |
| 04:21.16 | jnguy | also, just to be sure thats actually what I need to do: When I try to apt-get install thunar, I get: |
| 04:21.18 | jnguy | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:21.28 | jnguy | that means that my version of thunar-data is too new, right? |
| 04:21.29 | Gekz | dondelelcaro: what's the key to set it to automatic installed? |
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| 04:21.41 | dondelelcaro | jnguy: it means that for whatever reason, the newest version of thunar isn't available. |
| 04:21.57 | jnguy | ah. |
| 04:21.58 | jnguy | thanks. |
| 04:22.09 | K|NgGh0sT | what happens if I am doing xfs repair and it never finds the secondary superblock |
| 04:22.11 | dondelelcaro | Gekz: M; hit ? if you're lost |
| 04:22.25 | vvn | dondelelcaro: nothing happens |
| 04:22.30 | Gekz | thanks again, I don't use GUI package managers often |
| 04:22.43 | vvn | I did remove bind, it was the same after klogd |
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| 04:23.17 | huhlig | curious |
| 04:23.25 | huhlig | has openjdk made it into debian yet? |
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| 04:26.23 | vvn | shutdown also hangs, when stopping cron |
| 04:26.29 | dondelelcaro | !+info openjdk |
| 04:26.30 | dpkg | Package 'openjdk' does not exist. |
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| 04:27.37 | huhlig | dondelelcaro, that much I figured out |
| 04:27.59 | huhlig | that doesnt mean it isnt packaged yet |
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| 04:30.16 | dondelelcaro | huhlig: see #398448 et al. |
| 04:30.46 | xur1z | i want to set up some xen domU on a new server, can anyone point me the right way to split /dev/md2 into sub-partitions for each domU? |
| 04:30.57 | xur1z | md2 is a RAID1 |
| 04:31.06 | dondelelcaro | xur1z: does it have anything on it now? |
| 04:31.30 | huhlig | ahh |
| 04:31.34 | huhlig | dondelelcaro, thanks |
| 04:31.52 | xur1z | hmm, yes, it has the backup files i want to restore. that will complicate things! |
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| 04:32.39 | dondelelcaro | xur1z: anyway, the typical method is that you use the raid device as part of a volume group for lvm. |
| 04:32.59 | xur1z | ah, so i leave md alone and talk to lvm - cool thx |
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| 04:33.13 | dondelelcaro | xur1z: yeah, you just run lvm on top of md |
| 04:33.52 | dondelelcaro | (usually, anyway; there are reasons to do it the other way around too) |
| 04:33.57 | xur1z | don: perfect, that was the clue i was missing. in business, sweet :) |
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| 04:35.12 | K|NgGh0sT | mount -a |
| 04:35.12 | K|NgGh0sT | mount: Structure needs cleaning |
| 04:35.15 | K|NgGh0sT | What's that mean? |
| 04:35.19 | vvn | dondelelcaro: during booting, theres a mention of EXT3-FS recovery and ro fs...is it something standard? says recovery done, mounted fs |
| 04:35.40 | dondelelcaro | vvn: that's normal. |
| 04:35.49 | vvn | ok |
| 04:36.09 | dondelelcaro | K|NgGh0sT: you'd have to see which filesystem it was mounting |
| 04:36.24 | mbroeker | vvn, its a feature. not a bug. |
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| 04:38.04 | vvn | k |
| 04:38.07 | K|NgGh0sT | dondelelcaro: mount /dev/vg0/media |
| 04:38.07 | K|NgGh0sT | mount: Structure needs cleaning |
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| 04:39.33 | vvn | in the boot output there's also 3 lines of "null symbol found", that normal? and I notice klogd is starting more than once |
| 04:40.35 | vvn | it also mentions recovering journal of some partitions |
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| 04:45.14 | utopia_ | can iso images be written to a cd with dd? |
| 04:45.16 | K|NgGh0sT | I'm running xfs_repair, and I am getting fatal error -- creation of .. entry failed (117), filesystem may be out of space |
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| 04:47.11 | K|NgGh0sT | but I have enough free space |
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| 04:49.01 | dondelelcaro | utopia_: no, but you can do almost exactly the same with wodim |
| 04:49.27 | vvn | you can burn CDs in CLI!? |
| 04:49.49 | dondelelcaro | of course |
| 04:49.57 | dondelelcaro | you can do everything in the CLI |
| 04:50.08 | dondelelcaro | (well, almost everything) |
| 04:50.19 | vvn | can't watch pr0n... |
| 04:50.25 | dondelelcaro | you can, actually. |
| 04:50.30 | vvn | (don't mention ascii pr0n) |
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| 04:50.45 | dondelelcaro | no, there are SVGA drivers and such |
| 04:50.59 | dondelelcaro | and if you have sufficient resolution, libcaca |
| 04:51.01 | vvn | would that work over ssh? :p |
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| 04:52.03 | penp | vvn: only if you had x-tunneling =p |
| 04:52.06 | fisxo1 | does libcaca actually work in any useful way? I remember trying it a while back and it was... really bad |
| 04:52.08 | vvn | :p |
| 04:52.12 | penp | lol |
| 04:52.19 | vvn | caca is french work for poop |
| 04:52.23 | dondelelcaro | fisxo1: yerp, it does. |
| 04:52.23 | vvn | word* |
| 04:53.58 | fisxo1 | I will have to try it again, in that case |
| 04:54.22 | Decepticon | how do i translate something written in brainfuck with debian |
| 04:55.31 | dondelelcaro | Decepticon: use beef |
| 04:55.55 | Decepticon | i see |
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| 04:56.43 | aowla | how to use googleearth? |
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| 04:57.28 | Vasistha | aowla: I seriously doubt you'll find help with that in this channel... |
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| 04:58.11 | aowla | Vasistha: thks, there maybe extra helpful souls around, such a Guerin. |
| 04:59.19 | aowla | where is the mfsob Guerin? |
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| 05:05.20 | Decepticon | how do i check what stuff ive 'set' and how permanent is 'set blaba=blabla' type of commands |
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| 05:10.48 | vvn | dondelelcaro: got other ideas for my bug? :\ |
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| 05:16.59 | xur1z | decepticon: until you log out |
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| 05:17.11 | Decepticon | and how do i check what i've set already |
| 05:17.20 | xur1z | try just "set" |
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| 05:17.26 | xur1z | are you using tcsh? |
| 05:17.30 | Decepticon | no, bash |
| 05:17.40 | xur1z | sweet |
| 05:21.45 | Seven_Six_Two | if I have a laptop connected to a router (10.10.10.1) via wifi(10.10.10.4) and ethernet(10.10.10.5) with default routes for both cards in the routing table using 10.10.10.1 as gw, can I use "route add -host 10.10.10.1 netmask 255.255.255.0 dev eth0" to make konqueror use the wired card to access the router's login screen? |
| 05:22.07 | dto | hi all |
| 05:22.27 | Seven_Six_Two | without dropping the rdc connection currently using the wifi card(can' |
| 05:22.45 | Seven_Six_Two | can't use other card until I can login to router to forward ports... |
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| 05:39.14 | drfont | how do i re-create the /etc/init.d/ file for a service using apt-get ? apt-get remove xyz followed by apt-get install xyz has not done so. |
| 05:39.35 | drfont | s/re-create/remove and re-create/ |
| 05:39.42 | xur1z | drf: did it miss out the remove, or the re-create? |
| 05:39.50 | PyroMithrandir | apt-get remove --purge |
| 05:39.57 | xur1z | dpkg --purge packagename |
| 05:40.02 | xur1z | is that what you want? |
| 05:40.32 | xur1z | follow pyro's advice. i'm a bit behind the times, apparently :) |
| 05:40.37 | drfont | that was exactly what i wanted |
| 05:40.41 | drfont | thanks |
| 05:40.46 | PyroMithrandir | well, I'm pretty sure yours would work too |
| 05:40.52 | PyroMithrandir | really, you could even just apt-get purge |
| 05:41.08 | xur1z | i didn't know apt-get could get --rid-of as well :) |
| 05:41.34 | drfont | I didn't see purge as one of hte main commands in the man page |
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| 05:41.43 | PyroMithrandir | I normally find myself using remove --purge instead of just purge because the former will purge anything else that gets removed by the remove... |
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| 05:42.05 | PyroMithrandir | hehe... |
| 05:42.12 | xur1z | it's like a negative swarm |
| 05:42.22 | PyroMithrandir | purge purge remove purge remove |
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| 05:42.45 | xur1z | keep that up and you will behold the Tao |
| 05:42.51 | drfont | are either of you familiar with the ntop deb package, by any chance? |
| 05:43.10 | xur1z | a little bit. it annoys me by quitting all the time on ubuntu, specifically. |
| 05:43.13 | drfont | It's attempting to start the webserver, though the init script doesn't pass it a flag to do so. I don't understand why. |
| 05:43.21 | PyroMithrandir | the graphical network usage in top-like format? |
| 05:43.31 | xur1z | try starting ntop by hand |
| 05:43.49 | xur1z | it sometimes has some other stuff to say which the init script doesn't show you (like, you need to set a password etc) |
| 05:44.02 | xur1z | quite the reverse of your problem, but may lead you to the solution nevertheless |
| 05:44.14 | xur1z | also -w is the webserver option, so maybe check and remove that too |
| 05:44.38 | xur1z | /etc/defaults/ntop ?? |
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| 05:45.14 | xur1z | that's it, i'm naming my mailserver spyro |
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| 05:45.47 | drfont | hrm. i've set the password, there's no -W or -w flags, and /var/lib/ntop/init.cfg doesn't seem to have any useful information. |
| 05:45.58 | xur1z | /etc/default/ntop ? |
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| 05:46.35 | drfont | . /var/lib/ntop/init.cfg |
| 05:46.35 | drfont | #GETOPT="" |
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| 05:48.19 | xur1z | try GETOPT="-w 0 -W 0" |
| 05:49.19 | xur1z | also you can specify -t 6 to have it spew a ludicrous amount of info, including the config defaults and files read |
| 05:50.54 | drfont | hrm. i don't see either of those flags showing up in the ntop process listing. |
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| 06:05.53 | Decepticon | does apache2 come with a netinst debian etch install? |
| 06:07.00 | kgoetz | what did you choose to install? |
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| 06:08.47 | Decepticon | i dont remember, i think i chose nothing to install, but im not positive |
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| 06:09.15 | Decepticon | if it was nothing, would apache2 have been installed then? |
| 06:09.35 | Decepticon | i know it obviously would with the webserver option |
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| 06:11.25 | Penix | if you did a standard base install, no |
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| 06:13.34 | drfont | xur1z, i went ahead and added -w 0 and -W 0 to the actual init script and that resolved the webserver issue. thanks. |
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| 06:15.05 | jumpkick | there's a "tree" command in debian? (ls displayed like an ascii tree) |
| 06:15.18 | jumpkick | how can I find what pkg it lives in? |
| 06:15.38 | Kevin` | !find bin/tree |
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| 06:15.51 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'bin/tree' (7 of 13): (/usr/bin/tree) in utils/tree ;; (/usr/bin/treecc) in devel/treecc ;; (/usr/bin/treeline) in utils/treeline ;; (/usr/bin/tree-puzzle) in science/tree-puzzle ;; (/usr/bin/tree-ppuzzle) in science/tree-ppuzzle ;; (/usr/bin/treetool) in non-free/science/treetool ;; (/usr/lib/arb/bin/treedist) in non-free/science/arb. |
| 06:17.15 | jumpkick | thanks Kevin |
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| 06:19.26 | Decepticon | how do i see all the possible userns on the system besides looking in /home/* |
| 06:19.31 | Decepticon | *users |
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| 06:20.59 | Penix | Decepticon: look in /etc/passwd |
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| 06:30.04 | seek | Hello |
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| 06:35.39 | bintut | anyone familiar on dhcp servers on this channel? |
| 06:35.57 | hoxu | &ask |
| 06:35.57 | aptitude | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org |
| 06:36.12 | bintut | ok |
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| 06:37.48 | bintut | on an isc dhcp3-server, the line "filename" refers to the file which can be downloaded by the client. on a diskless setup, it is usually the kernel.. |
| 06:37.53 | Gekz | I've installed opera from their website, and now I was going to install flashplugin-nonfree from the lenny repo to see if it would work with opera |
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| 06:38.06 | Gekz | the file had an md5sum problem so that didn't work lol |
| 06:38.09 | Gekz | any suggestions? |
| 06:39.05 | Vasistha | Gekz: opera has a page on linux plugins, you should check it out |
| 06:39.10 | bintut | my question is, is it possible to put something like an * or any wildcard to represent that there are so many files that a client can download but look for a specific file that will fit on you.. |
| 06:39.34 | Vasistha | Gekz: they also have a debian repository which I use, so aptitude automatically updates opera along with all my debian software :D |
| 06:39.36 | Gekz | Vasistha: yeah I did |
| 06:39.40 | Gekz | same |
| 06:39.43 | Gekz | but that's not the problem |
| 06:39.54 | Gekz | now the problem is installing the flashplugin-nonfree from lenny |
| 06:40.10 | Vasistha | Gekz: right ... uh, I guess the problem doesn't actually have anything to do with opera :) |
| 06:40.11 | Gekz | it has an md5sum mismatch when checking the tar.gz it gets from adobe.com |
| 06:40.20 | Gekz | Vasistha: kinda realised that lol |
| 06:40.23 | linomix | Gekz: try adobe flashh plugin for linux |
| 06:40.34 | Gekz | linomix: manual install? |
| 06:40.57 | Vasistha | Gekz: flashplugin-nonfree ... is that one of those weirdo packages where the installer downloads the plugin from a website, in this case adobe? |
| 06:40.58 | linomix | Gekz: It has an uatomated installer |
| 06:41.09 | Vasistha | yeah, I guess so |
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| 06:41.15 | Gekz | Vasistha: yes |
| 06:41.20 | Gekz | they should be illegal in every country |
| 06:41.22 | Gekz | because they dont work! |
| 06:41.23 | Gekz | lol |
| 06:41.30 | hoxu | &tell Gekz about enter |
| 06:41.56 | linomix | Gekz: http://www.adobe.com/shockwave/download/download.cgi?P1_Prod_Version=ShockwaveFlash&P2_Platform=Linux |
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| 06:43.23 | Gekz | linomix: I downloaded it before |
| 06:44.02 | acu | I have a Palm Centro witn Palm OS 5.9 -can I synchronize with Debian Linux (I tried KPilot but it freezes as 14% during detection) - any alternatives ways ? |
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| 06:45.15 | bintut | acu: try gnome-pilot. evolution has a good support for palm devices |
| 06:46.12 | ted_ | yo |
| 06:46.56 | acu | bintut- I want to transfer some videos from hard drive to the microSD in Centro Palm (that is beside the Email Sync) |
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| 06:47.35 | bintut | acu: yeah, use gnome-pilot |
| 06:48.08 | acu | bintut: I have to log-out KDE for that ? |
| 06:48.32 | bintut | acu: no need. as long as it is installed on your kde desktop, you're good to go |
| 06:50.39 | acu | bintut: I am trying now |
| 06:50.50 | bintut | acu: good luck! :) |
| 06:51.49 | bintut | acu: i got gnome-pilot, gnome-pilot-conduits and libgnome-pilot2 installed on my etch |
| 06:52.25 | acu | thanks - I hope I can make it - I had some disapointments - I cannot make my Broadcom wireless or my HP Webcam - work in lenny - now I got this Centro - which I would like to synch it - and transfer at least files |
| 06:52.35 | acu | yes I have installed them |
| 06:52.53 | bintut | acu: it works pretty fine with me |
| 06:53.14 | acu | do you know some video player (free) for PalmOS (I know this is DEbian I should not ask) but... maybe you know |
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| 06:55.02 | Decepticon | what username does apache2 use when its running scripts and modifying files on the hdd? |
| 06:55.18 | Decepticon | and how do i give it permission to access a specific directory |
| 06:55.33 | bintut | Decepticon: www-data:www-data |
| 06:55.47 | bintut | Decepticon: ps aux | grep apache2 |
| 06:56.07 | Decepticon | how do i give specifically www-data permissions +rwx of a specific dir |
| 06:56.15 | Decepticon | man chmod i guess |
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| 06:57.16 | bintut | Decepticon: http://swapoff.org/wiki/OnDir |
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| 06:58.01 | Decepticon | oi thats pretty neat |
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| 07:00.57 | krassy | hi all |
| 07:02.21 | krassy | When i compile a custom kernel , need i run make-kpkg command with fakeroot before ? |
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| 07:04.02 | DawnLight | !tell krassy about kernel compile |
| 07:04.37 | bintut | gtg now |
| 07:04.39 | bintut | thanks all.. |
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| 07:06.37 | krassy | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:08.04 | vvn | dondelelcaro: I think it was a memory problem...I'll be running memory tests for 24hrs to see...thanks again |
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| 07:10.00 | hoxu | krassy, what's your problem exactly, what do you want to do? |
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| 07:10.38 | peer2peer | hey guys, how can i create a script that lets you take in command arguments? like ./myscript --name=john --sex=male |
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| 07:11.06 | Vasistha | peer2peer: #bash |
| 07:11.13 | hoxu | peer2peer, depends on what language you are speaking about, but there's probably a little thing called getopt |
| 07:11.38 | Gekz | Vasistha: I have flash player installed in /usr/lib/opera/plugins now |
| 07:11.44 | Gekz | and it still doesnt work xD |
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| 07:12.19 | linomix | peer2peer: you can get the arguments by $1 for the first argument, and $2 for the second, and so on, then parse the contents of each one |
| 07:12.53 | Decepticon | apt-cache search ondir |
| 07:13.05 | hoxu | peer2peer, linomix: only if you want to reinvent the wheel |
| 07:14.15 | linomix | Gekz; add this path to Opera: Tools > Preferences > Content > Plug-in Options > Plug-in Path |
| 07:15.07 | Dooms | hey can any of you guys watch this video i made? And yes im the girl |
| 07:15.09 | Dooms | http://youtube.com/watch?v=eXdkyAyOcGo |
| 07:15.13 | Gekz | linomix: kk |
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| 07:16.03 | Decepticon | what is this first number in my /etc/crontab "52 6 1 * * root test -x /usr/sbin/anacron || ( cd / && run-parts --report /etc/cron.monthly )" |
| 07:16.08 | Decepticon | its minutes? |
| 07:16.11 | peer2peer | is it possible to have another user, to have same ownership privilege as APACHE? |
| 07:16.57 | hoxu | Dooms, please don't advertise your crap here |
| 07:17.30 | hoxu | Decepticon, man 5 crontab |
| 07:18.02 | hoxu | Decepticon, and type "/field" :P |
| 07:18.14 | Gekz | linomix: the plugin is there -_- |
| 07:18.26 | linomix | Deceptive: the first number is for minutes |
| 07:19.39 | linomix | Gekz: remove any other flash plugins you've installed before and then restart opera (btw, it was successfult with me, but using adobe plugin) |
| 07:20.25 | Decepticon | okay i thought i misread it with 6 fields and got confused |
| 07:20.28 | Gekz | linomix: I've never installed another flash plugin |
| 07:20.31 | Gekz | this is a clean system |
| 07:20.37 | Gekz | I don't have firefox or anything mozilla installed |
| 07:20.51 | Gekz | I'm using the adobe plugin |
| 07:21.13 | tralala | dpkg, hey wb |
| 07:21.13 | dpkg | thanks, tralala. It's good to be back. |
| 07:21.15 | Decepticon | also, when i do "sudo crontab -l" and im told therse no crontab for root, does it really mean it, doesnt cron load /etc/crontab by default? |
| 07:21.26 | hoxu | dpkg is back? O_o |
| 07:21.34 | linomix | Gekz: and what happen when you open a page containin swf files? |
| 07:21.36 | tralala | dpkg, are you back? |
| 07:21.46 | Decepticon | dpkg tell me about dpkg |
| 07:22.01 | tralala | Decepticon, /msg dpkg msg the bot |
| 07:22.04 | Decepticon | sorry |
| 07:22.54 | Gekz | linomix: youtube for example, it does this |
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| 07:23.22 | Gekz | says for a second that I dont have javascript or flash (like usual), then a white square comes up where the movie should be |
| 07:23.29 | Gekz | the Adobe test doesnt work either |
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| 07:24.41 | Vasistha | Gekz: have you restarted opera? |
| 07:24.43 | linomix | Gekz: youtube doesn't require a flashplayer, it requires a media player plugin that supports .flv file, I think mplayer and ffmpeg would solve the problem |
| 07:26.03 | Gekz | O rly. |
| 07:26.55 | Vasistha | Gekz: check out youtube-dl, it's a python script |
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| 07:27.36 | Gekz | I refuse! |
| 07:27.36 | Gekz | lol |
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| 07:27.47 | Gekz | plus it's an eee |
| 07:27.53 | Gekz | dont want unneccesary space taken up |
| 07:27.54 | jariep1_ | hi |
| 07:28.05 | krassy | hoxu:After make menuconfig i run the command "make-kpkg --append-t........" and recieve error . My question is need i run make-kpkg command with fakeroot or no? my second question is can i extract kernel sources and work within my home directory? |
| 07:28.48 | linomix | Gekz: try to fetch opera plugins for mplayer (you can use mozilla plugins if you have them on your installation CD/DVD) |
| 07:28.49 | hoxu | krassy, from the very beginning of make-kpkg manual page: "Typically, you run this command as root, or under fakeroot, or tell make-kpkg how to become root, like so:" |
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| 07:29.35 | hoxu | krassy, yes, you can compile the kernel as normal user, in whatever directory you want to |
| 07:29.41 | hoxu | !tell krassy about make-kpkg |
| 07:29.43 | linomix | Gekz: or http://mplayerplug-in.sourceforge.net |
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| 07:30.07 | krassy | hoxu:10x |
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| 07:30.32 | hoxu | !pls |
| 07:30.32 | dpkg | Cud u plz spk englsh bcuz wen u spk lke ths u luk lke a moron. |
| 07:30.38 | hoxu | sry :( |
| 07:31.32 | bettong | rofl |
| 07:32.14 | Vasistha | I love that 'moron' is the only word that's actually spelled properly |
| 07:33.14 | bettong | how do you mis spell it? |
| 07:33.15 | bettong | :\' |
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| 07:40.20 | dalias | vasistha, :) |
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| 07:41.42 | dinochopins | hi everyone |
| 07:42.02 | dinochopins | how can I have a fix /etc/resolv.conf value ? I don't the values come from DHCP setting |
| 07:42.12 | streuner_ | dinochopins: What does 'dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1' say? |
| 07:43.04 | dinochopins | wait |
| 07:43.32 | dinochopins | ii libc6 2.5-0ubuntu14 GNU C Library: Shared libraries |
| 07:43.37 | SuperSSS | which manual should I look at for interrupt sequences ctrl+c ctrl+z ? |
| 07:43.43 | streuner_ | !ubuntu |
| 07:43.43 | dpkg | Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu (irc.freenode.net) instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. |
| 07:44.01 | dinochopins | struener_ : ii libc6 2.5-0ubuntu14 GNU C Library: Shared libraries |
| 07:44.04 | streuner_ | DHCP client write /etc/resolv.conf dynamically |
| 07:44.32 | streuner_ | You dont need to fix anything, if you using a DHCP-Client, but see above what the factoid told you |
| 07:44.32 | SuperSSS | which man page |
| 07:44.51 | dinochopins | streuner_ : yes, how do I stop it writing it dynamically. My case is I have two NIC that get their IP address from 2 different DHCP server |
| 07:45.00 | Vasistha | dinochopins: if ubuntu's dhcp implementation is broken, that really is not our problem in #debian. |
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| 07:45.15 | streuner_ | dinochopins: #ubuntu |
| 07:45.29 | Vasistha | dinochopins: or #networking or something |
| 07:45.35 | dinochopins | streuner_ : already been there... very busy and still got no answer |
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| 07:46.12 | Vasistha | dinochopins: okay, again, since you didn't get it the first time: "Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian." |
| 07:46.28 | streuner_ | "Dont hassle us with other problems other than Debian!..." |
| 07:46.47 | dinochopins | Vasistha: I see. Thanks |
| 07:47.01 | dinochopins | streuner_ : right. Thanks man ! ;) |
| 07:47.44 | Vasistha | dinochopins: good luck with your problem, though. Like I said, you can try other channels, like #networking or ##linux |
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| 07:55.05 | dinochopins | Vasistha: Ok, thanks ;) |
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| 07:55.53 | roxy_ | what outstanding bugs need to be solved for a package to go from unstable to testing ? |
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| 07:56.54 | Vasistha | !beer someone |
| 07:56.58 | Vasistha | huh |
| 07:57.46 | Vasistha | we should have a factoid for so-and-so: what does dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1 say? |
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| 08:03.31 | sep | roxy_, ask this page http://bjorn.haxx.se/debian/ |
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| 08:05.43 | roxy_ | sep: it is what I am doing, I was wondering if all the bugs needs to be fixed from: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/pkgreport.cgi?which=pkg&data=xserver-xorg-core&sev-inc=critical&sev-inc=grave&sev-inc=serious |
| 08:05.53 | roxy_ | before it goes into testing. |
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| 08:10.11 | ptk | hi all |
| 08:10.32 | ptk | I have a woody box, can i dist-upgrade directly to etch or do I need to go to sarge first? |
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| 08:12.53 | Vasistha | ptk: you should probably go gradually, being careful with your kernel updates as you go |
| 08:13.52 | peer2peer | once you install a vm and install a OS on it, is it later possible to increase its hard disk size later? |
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| 08:29.35 | peer2peer | how can i make a script global? meaning make it work in any working directories |
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| 08:29.58 | seek | hey |
| 08:30.00 | wols_ | put it in the path? |
| 08:30.14 | wols_ | peer2peer: env |grep PATH |
| 08:30.21 | wols_ | put it in one of those directories |
| 08:30.38 | peer2peer | why are there so many |
| 08:31.06 | wols_ | peer2peer: /msg dpkg woody->sarge and /msg dpkg sarge->etch |
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| 08:32.01 | wols_ | peer2peer: you could also create a /bin/ in your home direcotory and add it to your path |
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| 08:32.14 | peer2peer | how |
| 08:33.13 | drwahl | i would like to attempt to forward sound through an ssh session. is this possible and is there a walkthrough somewhere? |
| 08:34.22 | peer2peer | how can i add some more hard disk space to an OS inside my VM? |
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| 08:35.26 | drwahl | peer2peer: have you checked to see if you can add more hard drives? i think that in vmware you can add more HDs to a system (kinda foggy memory) |
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| 08:53.23 | RickyWh | is there any way to tell how much share of the CPU you get when you've purchased a shared host or a VPS? |
| 08:54.34 | Maulkin | Depends on the implementation, but no |
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| 08:54.44 | Maulkin | +t usually |
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| 08:55.40 | RickyWh | ahh k |
| 08:55.45 | RickyWh | +t? |
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| 08:55.59 | marcin | Hi, can I find in official debian packages repos non stripped packages? |
| 08:56.07 | sep | roxy_, all rc bugs must be fixed, |
| 08:56.12 | Maulkin | Depends on the implementation, but not usually |
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| 08:56.49 | Maulkin | marcin: yes. foo <-- usual package. foo-dpg <-- unstripped. Don't know how many there'll be though |
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| 08:56.56 | Maulkin | sorry, foo-dbg |
| 08:57.12 | marcin | Maulkin: och, I see. Thanks! |
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| 08:58.47 | seek | anyone awake? |
| 08:59.15 | Maulkin | marcin: if you're happy recompiling them, (and the package is built using debhelper) you can remove dh_strip from the debian/rules directory of the source package |
| 08:59.18 | Maulkin | seek: no |
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| 08:59.34 | seek | thanks for letting me know |
| 08:59.40 | seek | :D |
| 08:59.52 | wols_ | Maulkin: some. they are called "dbg" in the name. e.g. libc6 has such a package. but few do |
| 09:00.17 | jariep1_ | hi there i am trying to start java.bin install how do i do it so i do not create deb i have ubuntu |
| 09:00.28 | Maulkin | wols_: yup, those are unstripped |
| 09:00.42 | Maulkin | jariep1_: ask in #ubuntu |
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| 09:07.54 | liable | anyone had experience unlocking a wwan card? |
| 09:08.49 | liable | dunno if the card in my box has a number of attempts lockout, but if not, maybe a dirty bash script would eventually get it.. |
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| 09:12.49 | liable | heh, old techno baby? |
| 09:13.58 | seek | eh.. starting to get tired |
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| 09:24.17 | reinhold | Does anyone know how to include a fixed DSDT.aml in the initrd? In Kubuntu it worked like I described in http://wiki.kainhofer.com/kubuntuonaceraspire5630#acpi , but on Debian sid (latest Debian-provided kernel package), the DSDT.aml is not loaded on boot, although it is in the initrd... |
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| 09:27.29 | hans_67 | hi |
| 09:27.31 | fh_BE_LU | hi there |
| 09:28.35 | liable | reinhold: i think theres a debian-kernel ML, give that a try if you have no joy here |
| 09:29.23 | Jyzygzy- | Install the Term::ReadKey perl module |
| 09:29.29 | Jyzygzy- | can you get that from apt? |
| 09:29.59 | liable | yes, /msg dpkg search |
| 09:30.02 | Jyzygzy- | k |
| 09:30.15 | bytekode | Jyzygzy-: apt-cache search readkey |
| 09:30.49 | Jyzygzy- | hmm any idea how to get Home and End key work in console? |
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| 09:31.46 | Jyzygzy- | its really stupid when you forget "sudo" from the start and then you have to use arrows to get there |
| 09:31.54 | Jyzygzy- | its really time consuming when you make the mistake all the time |
| 09:32.04 | bytekode | don't use sudo? |
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| 09:32.06 | bytekode | :P |
| 09:32.17 | hoxu | Jyzygzy-, use ctrl-a and ctrl-e? |
| 09:32.18 | liable | heh, so learn from your mistakes :P |
| 09:32.30 | Jyzygzy- | its not going well |
| 09:32.35 | Jyzygzy- | been trying to learn many years already |
| 09:32.46 | Jyzygzy- | ctrl-a! |
| 09:32.55 | hoxu | indeed |
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| 09:33.12 | Jyzygzy- | the ctrl-s :-D |
| 09:33.21 | my007ms | i need to install perl GD |
| 09:33.48 | my007ms | what is dpkg i need to install |
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| 09:34.11 | Jyzygzy- | hmm apt-cache search perl | grep gd |
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| 09:35.35 | jeremiah_ | what do people recommend for packet analysis on a server? i.e. no graphical interface |
| 09:35.45 | jeremiah_ | I am aware of tcpdump which I use |
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| 09:35.48 | liable | tcpdump i guess |
| 09:35.53 | liable | oh too slow |
| 09:36.08 | jeremiah_ | And I do not want to use an intrusion detection app |
| 09:36.19 | liable | or the cli version of wireshark, used to be called tethereal |
| 09:36.44 | jeremiah_ | liable: Oh yeah? That sounds great, what is that called now? |
| 09:37.08 | Jyzygzy- | wireshark aka ethereal |
| 09:37.18 | liable | tshark it seems |
| 09:37.32 | jeremiah_ | liable: Cool, I'll check that out, thanks! |
| 09:37.55 | liable | yw |
| 09:38.37 | liable | tireshark would have been better ;) |
| 09:38.42 | murali | hi to all,i have created installable cd ,in that i changed tasksel package..but as per tasks selecting packages are not getting installed |
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| 09:42.15 | jeremiah_ | heh, tireshark _would_ have been better. :) |
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| 09:42.51 | jeremiah_ | And a simple visit to the web page for Wireshark would have revealed what I was looking for. Sorry to be so damn lazy. =) |
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| 09:43.36 | liable | dont worry, we get to lart you in the future if we feel like it :) |
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| 09:44.52 | Gekz | hmm, so how am I meant to get youtube working in opera? |
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| 09:51.34 | Ragon | Hello! I'm having a bit of a problem in umounting, Debian keeps on returning cannot umount, device is busy. Even though I've only run a tar command on the cd |
| 09:52.13 | hoxu | Ragon, use lsof or fuser to find out what process still has open files on it |
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| 09:52.46 | vaq | Ragon, remember also that you can't umount the cdrom if your standing in the same directory it is mounted in. |
| 09:53.15 | Ragon | That explains it |
| 09:53.17 | Ragon | lol |
| 09:53.18 | Ragon | Thanks |
| 09:53.19 | vaq | ;) |
| 09:53.46 | hoxu | don't sit on the wrong side of the branch you are trying to saw off... |
| 09:54.06 | vaq | Hah, exactly. |
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| 09:54.13 | bytekode | nice analogy |
| 09:54.22 | vaq | Indeed |
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| 09:55.48 | Rapp | how do i set the system wide timezone? |
| 09:55.57 | SlayerXP | rapp: tzconfig |
| 09:56.35 | Rapp | not found |
| 09:56.40 | vaq | or edit /etc/timezone with your favourite editor |
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| 09:57.05 | Rapp | vaq, thanks |
| 09:57.13 | reaVer | I have a major problem |
| 09:57.21 | hoxu | !timezone |
| 09:57.21 | dpkg | from memory, timezone is "ln -s /usr/share/zoneinfo/<timezone> /etc/localtime", or tzconfig, or or tzselect after etch |
| 09:57.25 | bytekode | it's that easy? i've always symlinked my zone file to /etc/localtime |
| 09:57.28 | reaVer | all my packages refuse to install, including etch |
| 09:57.36 | reaVer | because they need a nptl libc6 |
| 09:57.48 | reaVer | libc6 won't install because it needs a new kernel |
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| 09:58.02 | reaVer | and the new kernel won't install because it requires apps that require libc6 |
| 09:58.03 | bytekode | i have to do ln -sf <timezone> /etc/localtime, since it fails with the -f |
| 09:58.06 | reaVer | how do I fix this? |
| 09:58.29 | Rapp | hmmm... debian could need a central command center (curses or whatever based) that bundles all these things like timezone etc... |
| 09:59.12 | vaq | Rapp: apt-get install timezoneconf |
| 09:59.20 | vaq | Rapp: then run tzconfig |
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| 09:59.50 | Rapp | ok, now i have the following problem: bios time is 10:58 (that's in CET). /etc/default/rcS is set to UTC=no, and timezone is Europe/Berlin. but my debian says it is 11:59. |
| 09:59.55 | Rapp | how can that be? |
| 10:00.18 | vaq | the clock and the timezone is two different things. |
| 10:00.28 | vaq | go update your clock with a ntpdate server |
| 10:00.55 | vaq | apt-get install ntpdate; ntpdate ntps1-0.cs.tu-berlin.de |
| 10:01.00 | Rapp | vaq, but shouldnt debian first use the bios clock? |
| 10:01.17 | Rapp | i mean, it obviously does. only that it adds +1 hour to the bios clock. |
| 10:01.32 | vaq | Try updating the clock via ntpdate |
| 10:01.47 | Rapp | vaq, yes, i can do that, but don't want to. |
| 10:02.04 | Rapp | without ntpdate, the machine should display the correct BIOS time. |
| 10:02.08 | Rapp | as far as i understand |
| 10:02.58 | vaq | Rapp: use "hwclock --systohc --utc" to sync your debian clock with BIOS clock |
| 10:03.03 | SlayerXP | Rapp: something like, /etc/init.d/ntp stop; ntpdate ntp0.strath.ac.uk; hwclock--systohc; /etc/init.d/ntp start should sort you out |
| 10:03.07 | jeremiah_ | Rapp: I think you want to set the hardware clock |
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| 10:03.11 | jeremiah_ | oops too late |
| 10:03.13 | vaq | ;) |
| 10:04.08 | Rapp | no, i do not want to set the hardware clock. i told debien in /etc/default/rcS that the BIOS clock is NOT set to UTC. so why does debian still think that the BIOS clock is UTC? |
| 10:04.35 | Maulkin | Rapp: /usr/share/doc/util-linux/README.Debian.hwclock.gz |
| 10:04.36 | vaq | Because you need to update your clock acording to the hardware clock! |
| 10:04.47 | vaq | as i told you to do with: hwclock --systohc --utc |
| 10:05.11 | vaq | or you could just reboot to let your settings in /etc/default/rcS take effect |
| 10:05.18 | Rapp | i did reboot |
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| 10:05.50 | Rapp | i think i found the error: hwclock --hctosys (which should happen on boot!) returns: select() to /dev/rtc to wait for clock tick timed out |
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| 10:06.08 | vaq | There you go,. |
| 10:06.31 | Rapp | and now? still the wrong time, and /dev/rtc is broken... |
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| 10:11.37 | Rapp | damn, i found this here: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/kernel-bugs/2006-September/020897.html |
| 10:11.39 | Rapp | but it does not help |
| 10:11.47 | Rapp | stupid computer... |
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| 10:13.51 | Rapp | tadaaa! i have to use the module genrtc! |
| 10:13.52 | Rapp | :) |
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| 10:15.07 | am0ns3t | hello. i want add some iptables rules then debian boots. where i should add them? |
| 10:15.41 | Coke | I need a recommendation for a PostScript and PDF viewer that can take stdin input. gv doesn't have a short command for sending to lpr, so it can't be used. xpdf and evince are total crap because they don't take stdin as input at all. |
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| 10:18.36 | dalias | coke, you can write a script to save stdin to a temp file and run xpdf or evince on it..) |
| 10:19.31 | Coke | dalias: Of course, that's how cheap software solves it. |
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| 10:20.09 | dalias | btw what do you mean by gv does not have a short command to send to lpr.. ? |
| 10:20.18 | Coke | dalias: like ctrl + p |
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| 10:20.25 | Coke | Otherwise I like gv. |
| 10:20.38 | dalias | gv uses oldschool X libs |
| 10:20.49 | dalias | so i'm pretty sure you can bind whatever keys you like via X resources |
| 10:21.06 | Coke | dalias: it doesn't have a print function. |
| 10:21.16 | dalias | ah :( |
| 10:21.26 | Coke | It has two buttons "Print All" and "Print Marked" which are both disabled. |
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| 10:21.32 | dalias | weird |
| 10:21.33 | mplabs | hi! |
| 10:21.34 | dalias | they work for me |
| 10:21.49 | Coke | dalias: as usual, that only helps you. :) |
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| 10:21.55 | Coke | "Works here" (tm) |
| 10:22.02 | mplabs | when I try: sudo apt-get update, result this error: |
| 10:22.03 | mplabs | E: Dynamic MMap ran out of room |
| 10:22.03 | mplabs | E: Ocurrió un error mientras se procesaba network-manager-gnome (NewVersion1) |
| 10:22.03 | mplabs | E: Problem with MergeList /var/lib/dpkg/status |
| 10:22.03 | mplabs | E: No se pudieron analizar o abrir las listas de paquetes o el archivo de estado. |
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| 10:22.04 | dubbaluga | hi! is there a convenient way in debian to configure entries in /etc/mailcap? |
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| 10:22.06 | Coke | I'm sure Vista works wonderfully for Mr Gates too. |
| 10:22.11 | dalias | ot provides you a useful piece of information |
| 10:22.21 | dalias | in that it's probably possible to make it work |
| 10:22.31 | dalias | and just a local configuration issue that needs to be addressed |
| 10:22.42 | dalias | unfortunately i don't know what it could be, exactly :) |
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| 10:23.44 | mplabs | sorry >.< |
| 10:23.57 | wols_ | !tell mplabs about mmbap |
| 10:24.09 | wols_ | !tell mplabs about mmap |
| 10:24.32 | liable | !typosmite wols_ |
| 10:24.35 | mplabs | when I try: sudo apt-get update, result an error. |
| 10:24.41 | mplabs | wait XD |
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| 10:25.46 | mplabs | http://pastebin.php-es.info/748 |
| 10:25.47 | mplabs | ! |
| 10:25.49 | mplabs | =) |
| 10:26.06 | mplabs | I dont know why :S |
| 10:26.10 | dubbaluga | mplabs: http://rwxii.bitblaster.com/k/11-1-1-031211102449/permlink.hptb |
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| 10:26.42 | dubbaluga | mplabs: stop grinning so much :-) :D XD ^^ |
| 10:27.13 | dubbaluga | mplabs: just joking, hope it works for you ;-) |
| 10:27.29 | mplabs | thx, i try with this |
| 10:27.43 | mplabs | (sorry, i dont speak english so much :P) |
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| 10:28.33 | mplabs | I dont have /etc/apt/apt.conf file O.o |
| 10:28.40 | mplabs | dont exist |
| 10:28.49 | dubbaluga | mplabs: it's ok, i understand what you want to tell me :) |
| 10:28.58 | mplabs | I should create it ? |
| 10:29.01 | dubbaluga | mplabs: touch it or simply create it with your text-editor |
| 10:29.03 | liable | yes |
| 10:29.07 | mplabs | okok |
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| 10:30.29 | dbmoodb | !~ |
| 10:30.30 | dpkg | well, ~ is a reference to your home directory, or an apt-enhanced IRC shortcut (w00t!), or ask me about '+' |
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| 10:32.59 | Jacob_nickInUse | Hi. When building an environment with pbuilder, would it be possible to start services such as apache and make them availble for the local network, or the internet? |
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| 10:34.05 | bettong | Jacob_nickInUse, inside pbuilder? |
| 10:34.12 | Jacob_nickInUse | bettong, yes |
| 10:34.35 | mplabs | dont work :S |
| 10:35.00 | dubbaluga | mplabs: please describe what happened! |
| 10:35.11 | mplabs | http://pastebin.php-es.info/748 |
| 10:35.14 | bettong | Jacob_nickInUse, i'd think at that stage a chroot is as easy/easier |
| 10:35.14 | mplabs | :P |
| 10:35.59 | Jacob_nickInUse | bettong, I'm looking for a way to dothat with bpbuilder. |
| 10:36.11 | mplabs | (tel) |
| 10:36.22 | Jacob_nickInUse | espesially because I'm required to build my network depended packages |
| 10:36.25 | bettong | Jacob_nickInUse, try #debian-mentors on irc.debian.org is all i can think of. |
| 10:37.40 | dubbaluga | mplabs: try the following: |
| 10:37.51 | mplabs | ...? |
| 10:37.53 | mplabs | :) |
| 10:37.57 | dubbaluga | mplabs: echo "APT::Cache-Limit 12582912;" > /etc/apt/apt.conf |
| 10:38.13 | ArmEagle | dubbaluga not >> ? |
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| 10:38.16 | mplabs | /etc/apt/apt.conf I put APT::Cache-Limit 12582912; |
| 10:38.29 | dubbaluga | ArmEagle: okok, think that should be better |
| 10:38.36 | ArmEagle | :) |
| 10:38.37 | dubbaluga | so mplabs please use >> instead of > |
| 10:38.45 | jariep1_ | how do i make an sh file to clic on |
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| 10:39.22 | mplabs | dont work =/ |
| 10:39.30 | dubbaluga | mplabs: same error message? |
| 10:39.42 | mplabs | http://pastebin.php-es.info/748 |
| 10:39.48 | mplabs | "sigue igual" ? |
| 10:40.24 | dubbaluga | mplabs: how much main memory (RAM) do you have? |
| 10:40.35 | mplabs | 256MB >.< |
| 10:40.47 | mplabs | but yesterday it work !! XD |
| 10:40.57 | dubbaluga | mplabs: that should be really enough |
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| 10:41.51 | dubbaluga | mplabs: does "cat /etc/apt/apt.conf" show the line containing "APT::Cache-Limit" i told you before? |
| 10:42.06 | mplabs | yeah |
| 10:42.26 | mplabs | debian:/home/mplabs# cat /etc/apt/apt.conf |
| 10:42.27 | mplabs | APT::Cache-Limit 12582912; |
| 10:42.38 | mplabs | >.<' |
| 10:42.53 | dubbaluga | mplabs: hmm .. try to increase the number, maybe 20000000 |
| 10:43.22 | mplabs | APT::Cache-Limit 20000000; ? |
| 10:43.31 | dubbaluga | mplabs: yes, exactly |
| 10:43.38 | Maulkin | !mmap |
| 10:43.38 | dpkg | Getting "E: Dynamic MMap ran out of room" when using apt-get? Put the following line into your /etc/apt/apt.conf: 'APT::Cache-Limit 12582912;' . If you still get the same error, increase the value. If that file doesn't exist, add it, or put that line in a file in /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/ You can also possibly get rid of this error by deleting entries from your sources.list that you don't actually need. |
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| 10:44.28 | reaVer | anyone can help me with the dependancy problem I posted earlier? |
| 10:44.53 | mplabs | oh !!! |
| 10:44.55 | mplabs | work !! |
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| 10:45.09 | mplabs | with APT::Cache-Limit 20000000; |
| 10:45.28 | dubbaluga | mplabs: heureka!! (typical Austrian yippie *g*) |
| 10:45.38 | mplabs | XD |
| 10:45.48 | bettong | o_0 |
| 10:46.07 | mplabs | Albert E. said "Eureka!" the first time ( ? ) |
| 10:46.09 | mplabs | XD |
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| 10:46.50 | dubbaluga | oh, heureka is greek ;-) |
| 10:47.13 | mplabs | thx to all !!!!! :) |
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| 10:47.26 | mohkohn | if I am upgrading to sid do I use security.debian.org testing or just live dangerously? |
| 10:47.30 | dubbaluga | mplabs: no worries!! :) we are glad to help you |
| 10:47.44 | Maulkin | mohkohn: no use in using s.d.o with sid |
| 10:47.50 | mplabs | and... how you understand me ? O.o |
| 10:47.51 | mplabs | xD! |
| 10:47.53 | jelly | mplabs: you could also remove some crap from your sources.list |
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| 10:48.04 | mplabs | jelly, ok |
| 10:48.05 | mohkohn | Maulkin, thanks. Thought so. |
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| 10:48.51 | dubbaluga | mplabs: don't worry too much about your English, i'm sure you will improve, and by the way it seems that everybody here understood you :D |
| 10:48.51 | reaVer | anyone? |
| 10:49.03 | reaVer | anyone? |
| 10:49.16 | dubbaluga | reaVer: which dependency problem? |
| 10:49.51 | reaVer | the one where I can't install glibc because I need a linux-2.6 kernel |
| 10:50.07 | reaVer | and I can't install a 2.6 kernel because it needs apps that need glibc |
| 10:50.23 | jelly | reaVer: which kernel are you now at? |
| 10:50.39 | reaVer | 2.4 |
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| 10:50.49 | jelly | reaVer: debian release? |
| 10:50.49 | reaVer | Linux router 2.4.27-2-386 #1 Wed Nov 30 21:38:51 JST 2005 i686 GNU/Linux |
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| 10:50.52 | wols_ | reaVer: use dpkg to install 2.6.8 |
| 10:51.02 | Maulkin | reaVer: and what's the output of 'uname -r' and 'dpkg -l |grep libc' |
| 10:51.04 | reaVer | wols_: yeah, I did that |
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| 10:51.11 | reaVer | and then I still can't boot into it |
| 10:51.17 | wols_ | reaVer: is 2.6.8 installed? |
| 10:51.19 | dubbaluga | reaVer: maybe parallel to your 2.4 kernel, in case it does not boot correctly the first time |
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| 10:51.22 | reaVer | and that means I still won't be able to install glibc |
| 10:51.23 | XoX | hi |
| 10:51.26 | reaVer | wols_: yes |
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| 10:51.35 | wols_ | !tell reaVer about errors |
| 10:51.54 | reaVer | ii libc6 2.3.6.ds1-13 GNU C Library: Shared libraries |
| 10:51.57 | reaVer | ii libcap1 1.10-14 support for getting/setting POSIX.1e capabil |
| 10:52.00 | reaVer | ii libcomerr2 1.39+1.40-WIP-2006.11.14+dfsg-2 common error description library |
| 10:52.03 | reaVer | ii libconsole 0.2.3dbs-65 Shared libraries for Linux console and font |
| 10:52.06 | reaVer | ii libdb1-compat 2.1.3-9 The Berkeley database routines [glibc 2.0/2. |
| 10:52.09 | reaVer | ii liblocale-gettext-perl 1.05-1 Using libc functions for internationalizatio |
| 10:52.11 | liable | dude |
| 10:52.12 | wols_ | 2.6.8 should boot fine with this libc6 |
| 10:52.31 | XoX | anyone know of a command that can tell the mount point from checking a directory path |
| 10:52.44 | mplabs | dubbaluga, good bye, and thank you again :) |
| 10:52.57 | xand | reaVer: don't paste. ever. |
| 10:53.00 | reaVer | wols_: please DON'T EVER SPAM ME WITH THAT BOT AGAIN |
| 10:53.05 | XoX | anyone know of a command that can tell under which mount point resides a specific is a directory path |
| 10:53.08 | xand | reaVer: don't ever paste in here again |
| 10:53.08 | reaVer | xand: I was asked too |
| 10:53.12 | reaVer | xand: I was asked too |
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| 10:53.22 | Maulkin | reaVer: No, you weren't |
| 10:53.28 | reaVer | and it's not a paste |
| 10:53.34 | xand | you were not, yes it is |
| 10:53.43 | reaVer | 12:17 < Maulkin> reaVer: and what's the output of 'uname -r' and 'dpkg -l |grep libc' |
| 10:53.47 | wols_ | you paswted you moron |
| 10:53.48 | reaVer | I missed the libc |
| 10:53.54 | Maulkin | Sorry, did I say paste there? |
| 10:54.03 | reaVer | <PROTECTED> |
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| 10:54.18 | XoX | anyone know of a command that can tell under which mount point resides a specific directory |
| 10:54.45 | reaVer | the above mentioned combination doesn't boot |
| 10:54.46 | wols_ | XoX: you can parse the output of "mount"... |
| 10:55.11 | liable | reaVer: read the topic, it is considered a paste if more than 3 lines, please use a pastebot |
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| 10:55.15 | XoX | wols_, i need something more precise ..for a script |
| 10:55.16 | phao | do you know how to force font size on xfontsel? like i have a font here (luxi mono) in which i can only use font-size 17 or 0, i'd like to use 12 or 14 in it, but xfontsel doesnt let me to do that, does anyone knows how to force? like gtk/qt application does. |
| 10:55.24 | reaVer | of course, I'll try one more time |
| 10:55.24 | wols_ | reaVer: read what dpkg told you. you need it |
| 10:55.31 | reaVer | then it's off with debian |
| 10:55.44 | wols_ | XoX: that is precies. it gives you ALL mountpoints and you can parse it |
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| 10:56.08 | wols_ | let's hope he doesn't succeed |
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| 10:57.14 | *** mode/#debian [-o Maulkin] by Maulkin |
| 10:57.33 | Maulkin | grr |
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| 10:57.51 | sadmin1 | hi all |
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| 10:58.09 | sadmin1 | i make my debain ldap clinet and from ldap user when i do passwd |
| 10:58.12 | sadmin1 | it says |
| 10:58.13 | sadmin1 | passwd: User not known to the underlying authentication module |
| 10:58.16 | sadmin1 | what this mean |
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| 10:58.38 | phao | do you know how to force font size on xfontsel? like i have a font here (luxi mono) in which i can only use font-size 17 or 0, i'd like to use 12 or 14 in it, but xfontsel doesnt let me to do that, does anyone knows how to force? like gtk/qt application does. (anyone??) |
| 10:58.42 | sadmin1 | my common-passwd says |
| 10:58.43 | liable | he wasnt really a troll, just clueless ;) |
| 10:58.44 | sadmin1 | password optional pam_foreground.so |
| 10:58.44 | sadmin1 | password optional pam_ldap.so |
| 10:58.44 | sadmin1 | password required pam_unix.so nullok obscure min=4 max=8 md5 |
| 10:58.54 | wols_ | sadmin1: dibÄt paste in here please |
| 10:58.58 | sadmin1 | ok |
| 10:59.04 | wols_ | *don't |
| 10:59.06 | sadmin1 | wols ukn abt my pro |
| 10:59.18 | Maulkin | What? |
| 10:59.24 | wols_ | sadmin1: not really but it seems your ldap doesn't know about your user |
| 10:59.42 | wols_ | e.g. the user is not in the ldap DB? |
| 10:59.49 | DawnLight | can anyone name a fullscreen text-mode HDD partitioner/formater? |
| 10:59.52 | sadmin1 | well i can ssh to local machine with ldap user |
| 10:59.57 | wols_ | Maulkin: don't ban him (yet) |
| 11:00.07 | sadmin1 | also i do getent passwd show me that user |
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| 11:00.18 | wols_ | ldap is not /etc/passwd is it? |
| 11:00.44 | sadmin1 | well i tjink yes |
| 11:00.59 | wols_ | ayou think wrong |
| 11:01.06 | sadmin1 | hmm |
| 11:01.08 | sadmin1 | then |
| 11:01.09 | wols_ | LDAP is something else |
| 11:01.10 | sadmin1 | what to do |
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| 11:01.21 | wols_ | what LDAP DB is this you try to use? |
| 11:01.31 | *** mode/#debian [-b *!n=reaver@unaffiliated/reaver] by Maulkin |
| 11:01.35 | sadmin1 | berkley db |
| 11:01.38 | *** mode/#debian [-o Maulkin] by Maulkin |
| 11:01.42 | sadmin1 | bdb |
| 11:01.50 | wols_ | on the debian box? |
| 11:02.11 | wols_ | the only time I can see ldap making sense is with a centralized user management caross many servers |
| 11:02.14 | wols_ | *across |
| 11:02.24 | wols_ | no use for the hassle with a single box |
| 11:02.44 | jelly | wols_: or if it's dictated by $POLICY, or if it's federated... |
| 11:03.25 | wols_ | jelly: if it'S policy it'S centralized, makes no sense otherwise |
| 11:03.26 | solemnwarning | Does anyone here know how a "+" preceeding a username in /etc/passwd affects NIS server? |
| 11:03.28 | wols_ | what is federated? |
| 11:03.34 | sadmin1 | well its for may boxes am just testing some thing on 1 box |
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| 11:05.05 | XoX | 10x |
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| 11:05.28 | DawnLight | i've already asked this but forgot, i'm looking for a program as easy as gparted but in text-mode |
| 11:05.41 | Maulkin | DawnLight: parted |
| 11:05.47 | DawnLight | ah |
| 11:06.49 | DawnLight | i'm looking for something fullscreen |
| 11:06.56 | DawnLight | ncurses style |
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| 11:08.37 | Gekz | hmm, how do I tell what owns a kernel module? |
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| 11:08.54 | Maulkin | Gekz: depends what you mean by owns. try lsmod |
| 11:09.00 | liable | DawnLight: cfdisk for ordinary partition stuff, but theres no curses parted afaik |
| 11:09.17 | DawnLight | thanks |
| 11:09.28 | Gekz | Maulkin: owns meaning debian pkg. |
| 11:09.33 | wols_ | Gekz: do you run debian? |
| 11:09.43 | Gekz | wols_: obviously. |
| 11:09.50 | Gekz | cpufreq modules >_> |
| 11:09.52 | Gekz | evil. |
| 11:10.06 | bettong | Gekz, dpkg -S <modulename> |
| 11:10.07 | wols_ | Gekz: acpi perhaps |
| 11:10.23 | Jyzygzy- | lol you can actually apt-get install gentoo |
| 11:10.24 | Gekz | wols_: acpi what. |
| 11:10.27 | wols_ | bettong: (almost) all modules come from kernel-image |
| 11:10.37 | wols_ | acpi, maybe the acpid |
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| 11:10.40 | liable | eh, wouldnt the kernel own them in 99% of times? |
| 11:10.41 | bettong | wols_, thats what i thought |
| 11:10.59 | wols_ | bettong: then why did you give that command then? |
| 11:11.02 | Gekz | well wols_, how can I stop them from being modprobed? |
| 11:11.12 | Gekz | wols_: he proved his point with it |
| 11:11.12 | wols_ | !tell Gekz about blacklist |
| 11:11.12 | Gekz | lol |
| 11:11.27 | Gekz | my question is this though |
| 11:11.29 | bettong | wols_, its posable that a module *isnt* in htere |
| 11:11.37 | Gekz | why weren't they loaded by default before? |
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| 11:11.41 | wols_ | bettong: not the module he spoke about |
| 11:11.43 | liable | bettong: rarely |
| 11:11.48 | Gekz | I installed cpufreqd and cpufrequtils, then removed them |
| 11:12.02 | sadmin1 | wols |
| 11:12.04 | sadmin1 | any ide |
| 11:12.06 | sadmin1 | idea |
| 11:12.11 | bettong | wols_, i didnt see him talk about a module |
| 11:12.15 | wols_ | sadmin1: no |
| 11:12.32 | wols_ | 12:09 < Gekz> cpufreq modules >_> |
| 11:12.41 | bettong | :\ |
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| 11:13.37 | liable | i guess cpufreqd probably altered you modprobe.conf or added a file in modprobe.d |
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| 11:15.04 | solemnwarning | Has anyone here setup an NIS sytem? |
| 11:15.17 | liable | in either case it would have been done dynamically, so not changed back when the package was removed (assuming that was the case) |
| 11:15.31 | SlayerXP | no, but I know where some of the bodies got hidden when people did |
| 11:15.42 | liable | hah |
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| 11:16.29 | humbolto | when I want to run a virtualization environment on a 64bit machine with at the moment exactly 4gb of ram, would you rather go with a 32bit OS or a 64bit OS? |
| 11:17.23 | SlayerXP | humbolto: if you never plan to add more ram, 32 bit for now. |
| 11:17.36 | SlayerXP | if you plan to add more ram later, you'll have to go 64 bit |
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| 11:18.07 | solemnwarning | SlayerXP: What about just using a 64-bit kernel? |
| 11:18.20 | yalu | I have a grub problem. I have some trouble getting my root file system on lvm so I put the lvm script in /etc/initramfs-tools/scripts/local-top/ and re-installed the kernel package (and it generates the initrd), now the system doesn't even start booting anymore, it stops (hangs) after determining the location on disk of the initrd. I don't get it. |
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| 11:18.32 | solemnwarning | As long as no individual process wants more then 4GiB it should work, right? |
| 11:18.40 | Gekz | hmm |
| 11:18.47 | liable | i thought grub didnt do /boot on lvm? |
| 11:18.55 | Gekz | I 'blacklist freq_table' and it still loaded ... |
| 11:19.04 | yalu | liable: I have /boot on a normal partition but not / |
| 11:19.11 | liable | check in your alias file |
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| 11:19.32 | Gekz | good idea. |
| 11:19.32 | SlayerXP | solemnwarning: ummmm, _what_ about just using a 64-bit kernel? |
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| 11:19.52 | SlayerXP | you mean have a 64 bit kernel and 32 bit userspace? |
| 11:19.56 | liable | yalu: in that case, i just told you everything i know about lvm ;) |
| 11:20.14 | yalu | liable: is that /etc/modprobe.d/aliases you mean? |
| 11:20.28 | liable | yalu: that comment was for Gekz |
| 11:20.49 | yalu | oh ok |
| 11:20.56 | Gekz | liable: it's not there >_> |
| 11:20.58 | Gekz | and it still loaded. |
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| 11:24.22 | Gekz | I found nothing in dmesg or any logs in /var/log |
| 11:24.23 | Gekz | -_- |
| 11:24.45 | Jyzygzy- | ;o |
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| 11:26.14 | Hoxzer | For some reason Id ont believe Gekz checked all the logs in /var/log :( |
| 11:26.36 | Gekz | Hoxzer: sudo cat /var/log/* | grep freq | less |
| 11:26.54 | Hoxzer | :well, yes maybe but yes |
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| 11:26.58 | bytekode | cat + grep? oh lord |
| 11:27.02 | bytekode | :/ |
| 11:27.17 | Gekz | I could have done grep freq -Ri /var/log/* |
| 11:27.27 | bytekode | :-) |
| 11:27.37 | petemc | you'll not have much luck grepping gzipped files |
| 11:27.46 | bytekode | zgrep |
| 11:27.55 | petemc | right |
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| 11:28.22 | Gekz | everything I needed to grep hasn't been gzipped yet |
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| 11:30.21 | wols_ | Gekz: did you blacklist it in the initramfs too? |
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| 11:31.28 | Gekz | hmm, why would it load from the initramfs? |
| 11:32.16 | wols_ | cause the hardware existas |
| 11:32.24 | Gekz | kk |
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| 11:33.10 | Gekz | I'm just trying to find out if it was cpufreq that was causing my cpu speeds to fluctuate from 300mhz to 600mhz, and nothing inbetween |
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| 11:35.03 | Gekz | wols_: even after rebuilding the initramfs, it still loads... |
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| 11:44.01 | emmc | hi guys... do you know some patchset to optimize kernel for "no preempt" settings... like ck... kamikaze... but not for low latency |
| 11:44.03 | emmc | ? |
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| 11:48.46 | vonnis | can anyone help me im trying to install mozilla 32bit on amd 64 |
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| 11:50.36 | vonnis | this is the error i get http://pastebin.com/m5f1533f |
| 11:50.39 | xand | vonnis: why are you trying to do that? |
| 11:51.10 | vonnis | because i need flash for youtube and they dont have flash for amd64 |
| 11:51.33 | xand | !nspluginwrapper |
| 11:51.33 | dpkg | hmm... nspluginwrapper is a wrapper allowing you to use 32-bit browser plugins in a native x86_64 browser. It is known to work with Flash and a few others. It is in <contrib> on testing/unstable, while unofficial *stable/Etch* packages are available at http://www.dipconsultants.com/debian/ |
| 11:51.38 | xand | you should use that |
| 11:52.03 | vonnis | aha |
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| 11:53.34 | harpal | I want some good screensaver? I have GNOME installed and I have just 5 screensaver |
| 11:53.49 | Samus_Aran | could someone remind me of which command allows me to search for the name of the package that a given file comes from ? (e.g. /bin/sh comes from bash or others) |
| 11:53.59 | h3sp4wn | Samus_Aran: dpkg -S or dlocate -S |
| 11:54.19 | vonnis | but some sayed to me you only have to install a 32 bit browser |
| 11:54.21 | h3sp4wn | Samus_Aran: or apt-file if it is not installed |
| 11:54.34 | xand | vonnis: they're wrong |
| 11:54.48 | xand | vonnis nspluginwrapper is the best way |
| 11:54.49 | Samus_Aran | harpal: the xscreensaver package has a ridiculous number of screensavers, though I think Gnome's screensaver system uses a different format, so you'd need to turn that one off |
| 11:54.50 | h3sp4wn | vonnis: You can install a 32 bit browser if you wish |
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| 11:56.11 | harpal | Samus_Aran: ok, but how to turn it off? |
| 11:56.20 | Samus_Aran | h3sp4wn: thank you very much. I always think it is part of apt and not dpkg, and then I don't see it in the man pages =/ |
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| 11:56.43 | Samus_Aran | maybe I should just make an alias for it, such as "whatprovides" |
| 11:57.21 | h3sp4wn | Samus_Aran: dlocate is quite a bit faster (depends on how often you use dpkg -S / dpkg -L) whether its worth using it |
| 11:57.55 | naiv | what could i do to use 100% of cpu for 20minutes long ? i need a therm test |
| 11:57.59 | Samus_Aran | harpal: just open up the Gnome screensaver properties, then set it to disabled. the xscreensaver works on any window manager, you just need to set it to load when you log into your X session |
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| 11:58.47 | liable | naiv: compile oo.org or run folding2@home |
| 11:58.49 | xand | naiv: you could run folding at home or similar |
| 11:58.50 | liable | -2 |
| 11:59.00 | Samus_Aran | naiv: use "sensors" from LM_sensors to check the CPU temps, and use the "burn" apps to put your CPU through maximum stress |
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| 11:59.42 | phogg | cat /dev/urandom > /dev/null |
| 11:59.45 | Samus_Aran | naiv: e.g. burnK7 |
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| 12:00.21 | naiv | i see that everybody know a solution ^^ |
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| 12:00.47 | Jyzygzy- | cat /dev/urandom > /dev/null is max stress= |
| 12:00.53 | Samus_Aran | naiv: the burn apps test the CPU doing its most difficult computations, so it will actually raise the temperature a lot more than most regular tasks. on my system it makes the temperature go up around 10 degrees, heh |
| 12:01.16 | phogg | burn is better than cating urandom, but cat is always installed |
| 12:01.20 | harpal | Samus_Aran: I have disable it not in my xscreensaver some of that screensavers are disable so how to make it enable? |
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| 12:02.53 | Samus_Aran | harpal: are you in the "xscreensaver" window now? |
| 12:03.04 | harpal | yes |
| 12:03.56 | Samus_Aran | if some are greyed out, maybe Debian has more packages to install. the last time I used xscreensaver, I was using Arch Linux, and it gave me all of them on the list |
| 12:04.55 | harpal | So do you know which extra packets are needed? |
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| 12:05.22 | ^Timo^ | Morning |
| 12:05.34 | Samus_Aran | harpal: which screensavers are greyed out? maybe it is the OpenGL ones are not installed |
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| 12:07.10 | Samus_Aran | harpal: from a terminal you can use this command to see packages you might need to install: apt-cache search screensaver |
| 12:07.29 | Samus_Aran | I need to get some sleep, goodnight all, and thanks for the help h3sp4wn |
| 12:07.41 | harpal | Samus_Aran: Thanks a lot |
| 12:07.52 | justus | Hello! is there a repository for awn (avant window navigator) for debian testing/lenny? |
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| 12:08.32 | Samus_Aran | harpal: welcome, goodnight |
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| 12:08.57 | naiv | Samus_Aran, apt lm-sensors, and no sensors-detect command ;p, do i need to do something with the kernel or ? |
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| 12:09.41 | liable | as root? |
| 12:09.52 | liable | you should have sensors-detect |
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| 12:10.07 | naiv | as root, and nothing in /usr/sbin/ |
| 12:10.38 | liable | odd, dpkg -L lm-sensors |
| 12:11.41 | naiv | # dpkg -L lm-sensors | grep detect |
| 12:11.41 | naiv | /usr/share/man/man8/sensors-detect.8.gz |
| 12:12.22 | liable | hrm, dpkg -l lm-sensors? |
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| 12:14.14 | naiv | ii lm-sensors 1:3.0.0-2 |
| 12:14.38 | liable | eh, what debian version? |
| 12:14.49 | liable | my sid box doesnt even have 1:3 |
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| 12:15.02 | liable | !info lm-sensors |
| 12:15.32 | naiv | deb ftp://ftp2.fr.debian.org/debian/ unstable main contrib non-free |
| 12:15.36 | dpkg | lm-sensors: (utilities to read temperature/voltage/fan sensors), section utils, is extra. Version: 1:3.0.0-2 (sid), Packaged size: 168 kB, Installed size: 508 kB |
| 12:15.51 | liable | ok, i am lagging with updates |
| 12:16.26 | liable | check the bts for that package, you should have the binary |
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| 12:17.20 | naiv | bts is ? if i trust apt-file, sensors-detect doesn't exists lol |
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| 12:17.37 | liable | !btssmite naiv |
| 12:17.52 | SamuraiDio | can someone help with this: |
| 12:17.53 | SamuraiDio | 0000:00:0a.0: Invalid Mac address detected: b5:83:4c:38:1b:00 |
| 12:17.54 | SamuraiDio | Please complain to your hardware vendor. Switching to a random MAC. |
| 12:17.57 | SamuraiDio | ? |
| 12:18.10 | naiv | lol sorry |
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| 12:18.30 | SamuraiDio | it happens every time i restart the system, and it renames my eth |
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| 12:20.08 | lhadji | SamuraiDio does it happen on other distros? A live cd? |
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| 12:21.45 | lhadji | SamuraiDio what kernel are you running? |
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| 12:22.37 | liable | naiv: you also want to check the changelog of that package |
| 12:22.52 | superpigs | !cat |
| 12:22.52 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, cat is a program in Unix and Unix-like operating systems that concatenates the contents of files, reading from a list of files and/or standard input in sequence and writing their contents in order to standard output. cat takes the list of files as arguments but also interprets the argument "-" as standard input. see also <more> <less> <dog> |
| 12:23.23 | superpigs | !ln |
| 12:23.23 | dpkg | it has been said that ln is 'man ln' |
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| 12:23.44 | zoldar | Hello, recently a following problem occured on my etch server box - a series of NULL characters appear in logs from time to time - then at some moment the system clock changed to approx 2 days back (at least i saw the change in log's timestamp) - shortly after that the system freezed completely - it happend on a previous box too. I've suspected a hardware issue but now I don't know what to think about it :( any ideas ? |
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| 12:23.54 | liable | superpigs: you can /msg the bot |
| 12:24.01 | zoldar | correction - not etch - sarge |
| 12:24.03 | superpigs | liable ok |
| 12:24.19 | jelly | SamuraiDio: have you tried asking the manufacturer of your machine, like the message suggests? |
| 12:24.49 | jelly | SamuraiDio: or, say, googling for "Invalid Mac address detected" (with the quotes) |
| 12:24.53 | liable | *cough* good luck *cough* |
| 12:25.07 | lhadji | jelly beat me to it :) |
| 12:25.52 | ^Timo^ | can anyone help me with dovecot problem : |
| 12:26.12 | ^Timo^ | !aptitude pastebin |
| 12:26.21 | ^Timo^ | !aptitude tell about pastebin |
| 12:26.38 | ^Timo^ | !aptitude pastevin |
| 12:26.43 | liable | ^Timo^: paste.debian.net/paste |
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| 12:27.29 | liable | err, without the /paste |
| 12:29.10 | clamiax | I have chance to use a MultiMedia Card? |
| 12:29.32 | jelly | zoldar: sarge is rather old, could be a kernel issue if you're sure the hardware is good. Which arch? Which motherboard? Which filesystem do the logs reside on? |
| 12:29.42 | liable | clamiax: what do you mean? |
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| 12:30.04 | ^Timo^ | hmm ok |
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| 12:30.14 | ^Timo^ | it doens't work like i want it to |
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| 12:30.23 | ^Timo^ | let me try to paste it in here |
| 12:30.27 | ^Timo^ | its a dovecot problem |
| 12:30.34 | liable | no dont paste in here |
| 12:30.35 | ^Timo^ | but #dovecot issn't responding |
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| 12:30.45 | ^Timo^ | its not that big liable |
| 12:30.50 | ^Timo^ | 3 lines. |
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| 12:30.55 | liable | famous last words |
| 12:31.08 | clamiax | liable: i just would like to get the files from a MMC. |
| 12:31.15 | the_sniff | is it possible to run a file as a user and still give it a different gid than that user's? |
| 12:31.30 | liable | clamiax: what is this MMC ? |
| 12:31.44 | clamiax | liable: ehm.. a MultiMedia Card |
| 12:31.53 | zoldar | jelly: logs, as well as the rest reside on xfs |
| 12:31.59 | ^Timo^ | ok. : dovecot: Dovecot v1.0.8 starting up / dovecot: Auth process died too early - shutting down / dovecot: auth(default): You'll need to add at least one userdb / dovecot: child 32178 (auth) returned error 89 |
| 12:32.03 | clamiax | liable: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MultiMediaCard |
| 12:32.08 | zoldar | didn't have any problem with it for years |
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| 12:33.02 | liable | clamiax: a flash drive? |
| 12:33.02 | jelly | zoldar: are you sure the machine didn't have a power failure and booted with an older time hwclock time? |
| 12:33.25 | clamiax | liable: yes, i tried to mount it as the USB flash memory but doesn't seems to work |
| 12:33.41 | liable | clamiax: plug it in and see what dmesg says about it |
| 12:33.50 | zoldar | jelly: the same thing happend on two completely different machines - and no, i'm sure there was no power failure - it's plugged to ups anyway |
| 12:34.14 | clamiax | liable: nothing, lspci said something but the last line is: 06:04.4 FLASH memory: ENE Technology Inc Unknown device 0551 (rev 01) |
| 12:34.18 | zoldar | jelly: the only hardware they share are harddrives |
| 12:34.28 | clamiax | liable: that's not a good notice, i guess. |
| 12:34.37 | liable | clamiax: it shows in lspci? |
| 12:34.42 | clamiax | liable: yes |
| 12:34.54 | liable | clamiax: unknown device just means you need to run 'update-pciids' |
| 12:35.04 | ^Timo^ | what to do? |
| 12:35.06 | jelly | zoldar: interesting. Can you check if it happened on similar uptime? |
| 12:35.48 | clamiax | liable: i didn't know that script. Let me try |
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| 12:36.08 | liable | clamiax: it wont help you other than giving it a device name.. |
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| 12:36.26 | clamiax | liable: indeed it given |
| 12:36.29 | liable | clamiax: but you should get dmesg output when its plugged/unplugged |
| 12:37.33 | clamiax | liable: nothing, i tried again but with no results |
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| 12:38.06 | liable | clamiax: odd |
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| 12:39.34 | humbolto | has anybody debs for xen 3.1 backported to etch available yet? |
| 12:39.56 | ^Timo^ | Dec 6 12:21:50 localhost dovecot: Dovecot v1.0.8 starting up |
| 12:39.56 | ^Timo^ | Dec 6 12:21:50 localhost dovecot: Auth process died too early - shutting down |
| 12:39.56 | ^Timo^ | Dec 6 12:21:50 localhost dovecot: auth(default): You'll need to add at least one userdb |
| 12:39.56 | ^Timo^ | Dec 6 12:21:50 localhost dovecot: child 32178 (auth) returned error 89 |
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| 12:40.00 | ^Timo^ | whoeps |
| 12:40.02 | ^Timo^ | sorry |
| 12:40.08 | ^Timo^ | i wanted to send that to aptitude |
| 12:40.11 | liable | sure |
| 12:40.22 | ^Timo^ | . |
| 12:40.22 | clamiax | ^Timo^: you'll be killed for this |
| 12:40.27 | liable | send it to aptitude? |
| 12:40.30 | clamiax | liable: nfc, right? |
| 12:40.31 | ^Timo^ | yes |
| 12:40.53 | ^Timo^ | dpkg is offline ;( |
| 12:40.57 | liable | clamiax: is this a card reader you have in the box? |
| 12:41.02 | ^Timo^ | sorry clamiax |
| 12:41.04 | liable | !hi |
| 12:41.04 | dpkg | hello, liable |
| 12:41.12 | ^Timo^ | hmm |
| 12:41.19 | liable | why do you want to send it to the bot anyway? |
| 12:41.24 | clamiax | liable: if is it plugged in? |
| 12:41.30 | clamiax | liable: what "in the box" mean? |
| 12:41.51 | liable | clamiax: the computer, its just a usb flash drive, or a card reader? |
| 12:42.05 | clamiax | liable: a card reader |
| 12:42.18 | ^Timo^ | !tell me pastebin |
| 12:42.21 | liable | right, |
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| 12:42.37 | liable | ^Timo^: pastebin.ca |
| 12:42.40 | ^Timo^ | yes |
| 12:42.42 | clamiax | uhm |
| 12:42.43 | ^Timo^ | but its offline |
| 12:42.54 | ^Timo^ | not working |
| 12:42.55 | Ronin | not then use .com |
| 12:43.05 | ^Timo^ | grmbl okay |
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| 12:43.42 | mohkohn | Any Europeans on this channel using an Medion MIM 2120? |
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| 12:43.51 | ^Timo^ | ok. |
| 12:43.53 | ^Timo^ | i;v got it |
| 12:43.57 | ^Timo^ | its on http://pastebin.com/d19bb7d5c |
| 12:44.06 | infinity0 | how do i change the default window size of a gnome terminal? |
| 12:44.22 | ^Timo^ | any one knows how to auth(default): You'll need to add at least one userdb |
| 12:44.32 | clamiax | infinity0: by clicking somewhere |
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| 12:45.40 | mohkohn | This is my tale of woe: http://www.debianhelp.org/node/11996 |
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| 12:46.54 | Mark17 | how can i increase the quota for a user? |
| 12:47.20 | mohkohn | All I want for christmas is a laptop that turns off and has lvm with DM-Crypt |
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| 12:47.43 | the_sniff | is it possible to run a file as a user and still give it a different gid than that user's? |
| 12:47.46 | Flapp | hi |
| 12:47.48 | jelly | Mark17: man edquota |
| 12:47.55 | Flapp | perhaps a rather simple question, but I kinda forgot how |
| 12:48.04 | phogg | infinity0: most X apps will handle -geometry correctly |
| 12:48.07 | Flapp | I made a small script and put it in /etc/init.d |
| 12:48.12 | Flapp | how do I make it autostart again? |
| 12:48.34 | jbt | put in on inittab |
| 12:48.40 | bytekode | add it to whatever runlevel you start up in |
| 12:49.00 | simonrvn | man update-rc.d |
| 12:49.03 | Flapp | ty |
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| 12:49.19 | jbt | and put respawn on action |
| 12:49.32 | wiedenma1n | a friend of mine has no /etc/hosts, is there some template on how /etc/hosts should look like? |
| 12:49.36 | simonrvn | wtf would you put it in inittab? |
| 12:49.52 | phogg | wiedenma1n: echo 127.0.0.1 localhost > /etc/hosts |
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| 12:50.11 | jbt | hehehe, I thought he's asking to respawn when it dies |
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| 12:50.54 | the_sniff | is there a way to check all items that load on startup? |
| 12:51.01 | Flapp | ty guys! |
| 12:51.04 | wiedenma1n | phogg: what about his computer name is "acertux" should that be added too? |
| 12:51.09 | Flapp | I new rc-update from gentoo |
| 12:51.14 | Flapp | knw* |
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| 12:52.21 | phogg | wiedenma1n: if you like |
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| 12:53.05 | ^Timo^ | Hi. whats the meaning of : dovecot: auth(default): You'll need to add at least one userdb ??? |
| 12:53.24 | simonrvn | read it |
| 12:53.46 | simonrvn | comprehend it. live it. (:P) |
| 12:53.48 | ^Timo^ | yes i know what it says |
| 12:53.57 | eth01 | If I were to do an upgrade from ETCH to LENNY, would it brake Apache2 from ETCH? |
| 12:54.07 | eth01 | the same goes for any other software. |
| 12:54.10 | the_sniff | doubt it |
| 12:54.18 | the_sniff | if its still apache2 why would anything break? |
| 12:54.37 | eth01 | I thought lenny used a newer version than 2.2 |
| 12:54.42 | the_sniff | if there's no diff between them i dont _think_ anything should go wrong |
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| 12:55.06 | eth01 | and, it'll require a reboot right? |
| 12:55.24 | simonrvn | why? |
| 12:55.32 | mohkohn | I seem to be stuck between having a debian system with lvm and an encrypted root partition that won't powerdown without holding the off button... |
| 12:55.51 | mohkohn | ..or a zenwalk system that can powerdown but with no encryption. |
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| 12:56.43 | mohkohn | How can I turn my computer off without holding the power button down? |
| 12:56.54 | epsilon | why won't the box poweroff with encryption? |
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| 12:57.13 | mohkohn | actually epsilon it seems to be xorg. |
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| 12:57.26 | eth01 | simonrvn, eh? |
| 12:57.36 | epsilon | doesn't the kill signal stop it? |
| 12:57.40 | mohkohn | when I installed I had no xorg and it would shutdown |
| 12:57.46 | simonrvn | why would you reboot after an upgrade? |
| 12:57.59 | simonrvn | (of apache) |
| 12:58.09 | Flapp | is there any way to make the dns settings statically? |
| 12:58.15 | Flapp | the pc gets its ip from dhcp |
| 12:58.24 | Flapp | but we want it to get another dns server then the dhcp server gives |
| 12:58.29 | mohkohn | Also I cannot <ctrl> <alt> <f*> to terminals. |
| 12:58.43 | simonrvn | resolvconf, or make resolv.conf r/o |
| 12:58.49 | mohkohn | or logoff. it seems to hang. |
| 12:59.01 | mohkohn | http://www.debianhelp.org/node/11996 |
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| 12:59.53 | mohkohn | The same laptop shutsoff fine with zenwalk and the "u" word that shall not be mentioned on this channel. |
| 13:00.16 | simonrvn | underwear? |
| 13:00.25 | mohkohn | But those distros don't have the cool debian installer that encrypts your root partition for you. |
| 13:00.41 | yalu | this is driving me nuts. grub hangs as soon as I give the "initrd (hd0,4)/initrd.imgblabla" command in the grub shell, doesn't matter if it's a grub booted from cdrom or from harddisk, even copied a kernel from another machine and tried booting that, at no avail |
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| 13:00.52 | themill | mohkohn: they also have a newer version of xorg |
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| 13:01.37 | reaVer | I fixed the issue not thanks to your help |
| 13:01.46 | SamuraiDio | if i change the rules on /etc/udev/rules.d/z25_persistent-net.rules will these rules be applyed on boot? |
| 13:01.50 | reaVer | I treathned it with a gentoo install |
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| 13:01.59 | mohkohn | themill that may be it |
| 13:02.00 | petemc | scathing |
| 13:02.11 | simonrvn | wtf... o_O |
| 13:02.15 | bonkers-matt | hello, how do i find the URL of packages in the repositories so i can download them with a browser or wget? |
| 13:02.27 | petemc | !pdo |
| 13:02.27 | dpkg | http://packages.debian.org/ - here you can search for debian packages and their contents. Pretty Damned Obvious, isn't it?, or http://people.debian.org/, in some contexts. Maybe even http://planet.debian.org/ |
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| 13:03.45 | mohkohn | would debian backports have a newer version? |
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| 13:05.06 | sep | mohkohn, newer then what ? debian/etch probably, debian/sid probably not. |
| 13:05.25 | mohkohn | sep I am in etch |
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| 13:05.53 | mohkohn | I could also upgrade to sid on the weekend. |
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| 13:06.08 | mohkohn | but I think I want to keep with etch. |
| 13:06.21 | bonkers-matt | petemc, thanks |
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| 13:06.35 | sep | mohkohn, i run lenny on desktop, and etch on servers and sid in chroots |
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| 13:08.08 | mohkohn | I have etch on my laptop and I am experimenting with virtualbox and vmware. |
| 13:09.04 | mohkohn | I really like virtualbox (now in sid) |
| 13:09.54 | sander_ | what is virtualbox? |
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| 13:10.12 | PMedia | Hi there |
| 13:10.19 | sep | sander_, kinda like vmware |
| 13:10.34 | sander_ | Ok |
| 13:10.42 | mohkohn | sander_, cool http://yenaer.com/blog/linux/17 |
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| 13:11.28 | PMedia | Currently, I'm reading the minimum system specs, and I am asking: is it possible to run Debian on i486 with 20MB RAM (or 32, didn't remember what this machine had got, cause the monitor... uhm... crashed and the last time I sat on that machine is long ago) |
| 13:12.17 | h3sp4wn | PMedia: definately with 32 |
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| 13:12.33 | h3sp4wn | Not sure about the installer with 20 |
| 13:12.45 | PMedia | ok, thx :) |
| 13:12.54 | PMedia | I'll try when I get a new monitor |
| 13:13.01 | PMedia | Windows 95 suxx at this machine :D |
| 13:13.04 | wols_ | h3sp4wn: debian need 48MB to install etch IIRC |
| 13:13.13 | Slap_stick | does anyone know how i can change the default font size i'm using gnome |
| 13:13.29 | xand | Slap_stick: which font size? |
| 13:13.35 | xand | !resolution |
| 13:13.36 | dpkg | methinks resolution is How fine the pixels are. The higher the resolution, the more pixels that can be squeezed onto a screen, thereby giving the appearance that the pictures on your screen are smaller without losing any detail. Because the pictures are smaller you now have room to place more on your screen.. Use ctrl-alt-numpad_plus/minus to change it. Or /etc/X11/XF86Config-4, or man xrandr, or see hwinfo, or ask me about drxx |
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| 13:13.48 | xand | oh, that's a bit old |
| 13:13.53 | xand | and not relevant |
| 13:14.24 | Slap_stick | well it seems to be for everything i keep having to ctrl + - key to minimize teh font for all windows the resolution is 1280x1024 |
| 13:15.03 | xand | Slap_stick: you have to change the other resolution... the DPI |
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| 13:15.09 | dbmoodb | !telnet |
| 13:15.09 | dpkg | [telnet] an old protocol for remotely logging in to another computer. It is one of the basic utilities for TCP/IP. It is very insecure as it sends all traffic in plaintext! Seriously consider using <ssh> instead. see telnet-ssl, this one has encryption and certificates support (but that's useless without a remote telnetd-ssl except to play and telnet to an https web server) |
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| 13:15.33 | jelly | dbmoodb: msg the bot |
| 13:15.38 | dbmoodb | sure |
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| 13:15.44 | mosty | is it possible to specifiy the order in which ifup -a brings up interfaces? |
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| 13:16.15 | Slap_stick | DPI? there's only the res in my xorg.conf for the Display the actual Modes? |
| 13:16.35 | babilen | hi all... are you aware of any way to logout a user logged in on a server? regardless of processes the user is running? |
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| 13:16.50 | mohkohn | There does not seem to be an Xorg in backports. Would apt-pinning and getting a new xorg from lenny be an insane thing to do? |
| 13:16.52 | simonrvn | mosty: order in interfaces(5) |
| 13:17.00 | wols_ | mohkohn: yes |
| 13:17.03 | mosty | simonrvn, ok, perfect |
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| 13:18.02 | babilen | do i just kill the users ssh process? or is there any nicer way which will gracefully exit all tasks the user is running? |
| 13:18.06 | hoxu | babilen, you can use slay -9 to kill that user's all processes |
| 13:18.23 | babilen | hoxu: hmm, too bad.... |
| 13:18.34 | simonrvn | if -9 is what i think it is, that won't be that graceful ;) |
| 13:18.48 | hoxu | -9 is graceful... no needless suffering |
| 13:18.55 | Ronin | bit like killing a fly with a hammer |
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| 13:19.13 | hoxu | babilen, if you want to watch them squirm at the face of unevitable slaughtering, you can drop the -9... |
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| 13:19.35 | simonrvn | inevitable |
| 13:20.01 | simonrvn | like the universe doing whatever come 10 billions years from now |
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| 13:20.07 | hoxu | thanks, those letters are, like, right next to each other |
| 13:20.19 | hoxu | simonrvn =~ s/rvn/run/; |
| 13:20.26 | hoxu | no need to thank me |
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| 13:20.42 | simonrvn | !lart hoxu |
| 13:20.43 | babilen | ok thanks... guess they have to suffer then? BOFH!! |
| 13:20.47 | hoxu | !penixstrike simonrvn |
| 13:20.48 | dpkg | A towering Penix descends from the heavens, knocking simonrvn to the ground and leaving a large wet spot. |
| 13:20.51 | simonrvn | hehe |
| 13:21.04 | simonrvn | hoxu: how are you today? |
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| 13:21.36 | simonrvn | hoxu: you been away a while, what happened? |
| 13:22.00 | hoxu | have I? |
| 13:22.12 | simonrvn | well, not in here |
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| 13:25.21 | Nazcafan | hello |
| 13:26.14 | hoxu | hi there |
| 13:26.45 | Nazcafan | Does anyone use japanese fonts? I use sazanami font family that claims to be antialiased but the rendering seems quite poor on my testing box |
| 13:27.17 | Nazcafan | (I am using gnome, by the way) |
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| 13:29.05 | Eclipser | Nazcafan, I use Bitstream Vera Sans Mono and Kochi/Gotchi |
| 13:29.49 | Nazcafan | Eclipser: no problem with the rendering on apps like gedit for the Kochi family ? |
| 13:30.22 | Eclipser | Nazcafan, I wouldn't know, I only use terminals :) |
| 13:30.51 | Nazcafan | Eclipser: an how is the rendering of japanese characters on your terminals ? |
| 13:31.03 | JcDenton_ | lol |
| 13:31.09 | Eclipser | Nazcafan, looks fine to me |
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| 13:31.26 | Nazcafan | Eclipser: no aliasing |
| 13:31.27 | Nazcafan | ? |
| 13:31.52 | Eclipser | Nazcafan, I don't know, I've never noticed a difference between anti-aliased and 'normal' fonts :> |
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| 13:32.57 | Nazcafan | Eclipser: I'll try to perform some screenshots to show you the difference |
| 13:33.11 | Nazcafan | Eclipser: will you be around by 19h00 GMT ? |
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| 13:34.08 | codemutant | can i install grub in cdrom and boot the linux installed in harddisk?? |
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| 13:34.34 | Eclipser | Nazcafan, I'll be gone from 17GMT to 21GMT at least |
| 13:34.36 | sep | codemutant, http://www.gnu.org/software/grub/manual/html_node/Making-a-GRUB-bootable-CD-ROM.html |
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| 13:34.40 | Eclipser | I'm going to see the Golden Compass |
| 13:34.59 | Nazcafan | Eclipser: so I'll try to be in touch with you by 22h00 GMT |
| 13:35.10 | codemutant | i did that |
| 13:35.13 | Nazcafan | wth is that ? |
| 13:35.16 | codemutant | but its giving me errors |
| 13:35.23 | codemutant | error17 and error25 |
| 13:35.41 | codemutant | cannot mount selected partition and disk read error |
| 13:35.43 | Eclipser | Nazcafan, a movie? :) |
| 13:36.03 | Nazcafan | Eclipser: ok, thank you |
| 13:36.33 | Nazcafan | Eclipser: well have fun I'll try to make the screenies for tonight |
| 13:36.39 | Eclipser | ok :) |
| 13:36.44 | simonrvn | Eclipser: oh, that looks like a good movie |
| 13:37.19 | Eclipser | simonrvn, I would hope so |
| 13:37.25 | Eclipser | the tickets are so freaking expensive |
| 13:37.36 | Eclipser | well the entrance fee whatever |
| 13:37.44 | robboplus_ | is there any way to control swapping? i have 601784k cached left and it already started swapping... over 1GB of swap in use... WHY is that? |
| 13:37.47 | the_sniff | what's /lib/init/rw ? |
| 13:37.53 | simonrvn | yes ouch. we have cheapie days |
| 13:38.18 | simonrvn | the_sniff: in case something needs a r/w spot during boot while / is r/o |
| 13:38.36 | the_sniff | like what? and why? |
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| 13:38.42 | simonrvn | robboplus_: sysctl |
| 13:38.51 | robboplus_ | simonrvn thank you, looking into it |
| 13:38.52 | Diamond | how do i update when i change /etc/hosts /etc/hostname |
| 13:38.54 | Diamond | ? |
| 13:38.56 | simonrvn | initrds, or fsck, or ... |
| 13:39.01 | the_sniff | afaik it updates alone |
| 13:39.11 | the_sniff | simonrvn so what this dir do? |
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| 13:40.05 | Diamond | reboot? didn't think so ? ;/ |
| 13:40.18 | hoxu | !tell Diamond about hostname |
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| 13:40.31 | the_sniff | Diamond: reboot? |
| 13:40.39 | simonrvn | the_sniff: i think i said this already |
| 13:40.50 | the_sniff | simonrvn i got the idea |
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| 13:41.00 | the_sniff | but whats does it actually do |
| 13:41.10 | the_sniff | lets say fsck need rw access and / is ro |
| 13:41.23 | DustyBin | i was so close to having everything setup perfectly, i been working on my homeserver since last friday but now im totally stuck. i have to type the error because i cannot log into my box: linux-image-2.6.22-3-vserver-686 depends on initramfs-tools but it is not going to be installed ... unmet dependencies i think the problem occured when i installed apt-get hotplug by a mistake |
| 13:41.26 | the_sniff | what is it's role? files sit there? file go through that dir to be written over? |
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| 13:42.10 | simonrvn | files or whatever get written there, and some stay, some go. go take a peek |
| 13:42.11 | DustyBin | i tried apt-get dist-upgrade, i tried apt-get update by putting the backport repos back on my list but cannot stop that error |
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| 13:42.58 | the_sniff | simonrvn they get written and then go back to the original path? |
| 13:43.12 | simonrvn | not necessarily |
| 13:43.14 | the_sniff | all i see is .ramfs :S |
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| 13:43.42 | simonrvn | yeh, what you have there depends on what needs it |
| 13:43.48 | s-andy | hi! when I run screen it says: Cannot open your terminal '/dev/pts/2' - please check. |
| 13:44.04 | s-andy | how to fix this? |
| 13:44.26 | the_sniff | simonrvn can you describe the order of things for, say, fsck? |
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| 13:45.20 | simonrvn | i could, but i don't feel like it :) |
| 13:45.32 | simonrvn | ok, short summary |
| 13:46.28 | hoxu | the_sniff, strace fsck |
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| 13:46.45 | the_sniff | how can i strace on boot :o |
| 13:46.46 | EmanueleT | hello! |
| 13:46.49 | EmanueleT | I want to use a certain package (and its dependencies) from sid, while using stable... is there a way to do so? |
| 13:47.05 | simonrvn | power on > bios crap -> bootloader -> initrd and kernel -> init -> init starts various scripts (rcS) then default runlevel |
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| 13:47.31 | simonrvn | EmanueleT: /msg dpkg simple sid backport or backports.org |
| 13:48.13 | EmanueleT | simonrvn: thank you very much! |
| 13:48.21 | the_sniff | btw, anything that loads on startup loads with init? |
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| 13:49.28 | simonrvn | init is the first user space process that gets started. it handles a lot. man init ;) |
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| 13:51.01 | the_sniff | oh, like init.exe in windows :o} (i think :p) |
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| 13:51.22 | naiv | cool ! i did compile lm_sensors myself, cpu ~ 45° but the Aux temp reach 70° after 10minutes of burnK7, is it the motherboard or ? |
| 13:51.30 | simonrvn | i don't know winblows much |
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| 13:52.13 | the_sniff | where do you know this much about linux? |
| 13:52.22 | the_sniff | i happen to go the other way around :p |
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| 13:53.17 | DustyBin | i installed a vserver kernel using backports, then i installed hotplug by a mistake, and now apt-get will not install anything and complains about unmet dependencies regarding initramfs-tool and yaird complainging that they are not installable, is there a way round this or do i need to reinstall debian :( |
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| 13:53.32 | simonrvn | messing around with it for 4-5 years will do that ;) |
| 13:53.44 | hoxu | the_sniff, actually, there's a secret book in all libraries around the world that contains every bit of knowledge you need |
| 13:53.51 | hoxu | the_sniff, it even tells you how to exit vi |
| 13:53.59 | wols_ | !tell DustyBin about bat |
| 13:54.06 | simonrvn | hoxu: hehe |
| 13:54.24 | wols_ | DustyBin: you can also remove hotplug and the stuff that got installed there |
| 13:54.27 | simonrvn | (and lots of reading) |
| 13:55.03 | the_sniff | simonrvn: not for every one it wouldn't :p |
| 13:55.17 | the_sniff | hoxu: lol |
| 13:55.25 | DustyBin | wols_: i cannot log into the server, ssh doesnt work and networking and sshd is on, all i got is my tv screen :-S |
| 13:55.28 | the_sniff | well, actually it wasn't funny |
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| 13:55.54 | wols_ | DustyBin: either you can get onto the server somehow or you are SOL |
| 13:55.55 | the_sniff | im 'administrating' linux servers for about half a year |
| 13:56.21 | the_sniff | my knowledge with programming/windows made it A LOT easier since i know how an o/s should work |
| 13:56.29 | Diamond | hmm hmm.. |
| 13:56.34 | simonrvn | the_sniff: well, i started off wanting to run my own dns and web servers, it just expanded from there |
| 13:56.35 | DustyBin | this is what happens when i log in as root: |
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| 13:56.37 | DustyBin | root@192.168.0.4's password: |
| 13:56.37 | DustyBin | stdin: is not a tty |
| 13:57.08 | simonrvn | what's syslog and auth.log say? |
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| 13:57.09 | the_sniff | heh, sounds fimiliar. only i started programming right after the simple tech stuff :p |
| 13:57.25 | the_sniff | simonrvn you must be a curious being ;P |
| 13:57.40 | Diamond | can i install just the standard debian cd. from http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/4.0_r1/i386/iso-cd/ |
| 13:57.46 | Diamond | i want to try |
| 13:57.47 | Diamond | KDE |
| 13:57.50 | simonrvn | the_sniff: yes, i'm odd ;p |
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| 13:58.05 | simonrvn | Diamond: there's a kde cd1 |
| 13:58.06 | Diamond | i don;t know if it is in installation optios |
| 13:58.11 | Diamond | yes i know |
| 13:58.23 | simonrvn | so use that and be happy |
| 13:58.30 | Diamond | thats why i thaught maybe i should aks you guys |
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| 13:58.39 | simonrvn | when yo install desktop that's what it'll do |
| 13:58.43 | simonrvn | you |
| 13:59.00 | Diamond | ok. |
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| 13:59.03 | Diamond | so if i want kde |
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| 13:59.08 | the_sniff | ok i've another question, do process hold a gid? can they have a different gid than they're uid's? and if so how do i check that? |
| 13:59.09 | Diamond | i must download the KDE install disk |
| 13:59.10 | Diamond | <PROTECTED> |
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| 13:59.14 | simonrvn | (desktp task) |
| 13:59.16 | wols_ | DustyBin: at the url you pasted there is a cd1 with kde in its name |
| 13:59.18 | simonrvn | top |
| 13:59.37 | DustyBin | not me |
| 13:59.41 | wols_ | DustyBin: you can install kde with normal debian too. but with the kde1 CD it's on the CD already |
| 13:59.51 | simonrvn | the_sniff: yes they run under a gid. yes they often do. ps, top, etc. |
| 14:00.02 | Diamond | what do you guys recommand for useing a server (still with a small grapical interface |
| 14:00.03 | Diamond | ) |
| 14:00.11 | DustyBin | wols_: you getting me mixed up |
| 14:00.22 | wols_ | Diamond: servers and GUis don't mix |
| 14:00.28 | infinity0 | what's the command that outputs a file as it's being modified? |
| 14:00.34 | wols_ | Diamond: use ssh as $deity intended |
| 14:00.45 | the_sniff | whats the switch for ps? |
| 14:00.57 | Diamond | yes. |
| 14:00.58 | wols_ | infinity0: maybe tail -f but then your question is kinda wrong |
| 14:01.03 | the_sniff | and why do they do that? and what sets the gid |
| 14:01.16 | Diamond | i mostlikly use only ssh |
| 14:01.17 | wols_ | the_sniff: the user who starts the process |
| 14:01.17 | Diamond | putty |
| 14:01.47 | the_sniff | wols_: the user sets the gid and uid? so if im root and i start apache it would have group root? |
| 14:01.48 | wols_ | Diamond: what do you intend to do with X? |
| 14:01.52 | the_sniff | wouldn't that be dumb :? |
| 14:01.55 | wols_ | the_sniff: the user has a uid and gid |
| 14:02.05 | Diamond | nothing exualy |
| 14:02.07 | Diamond | but |
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| 14:02.09 | the_sniff | well, i'll be specific |
| 14:02.14 | wols_ | the_sniff: it's not dumb and it's necessary. ever tried to open port 80 when you are not root? |
| 14:02.20 | Diamond | sometimes i just want to look at somethings |
| 14:02.24 | Diamond | with x |
| 14:02.27 | Diamond | hmm hmm. |
| 14:02.28 | DustyBin | i feel sad :( this is like 7 days work down the drain |
| 14:02.41 | Diamond | maybe i do not need it but... |
| 14:02.45 | wols_ | DustyBin: it isn't. but we told you what you did was dumb anyways |
| 14:02.54 | the_sniff | i've an apache running as www-data, and someone said it has an 'adm' gid, which i wan't to see. and besides, shouldn't apace 'spawns' be as least permitted s possible? |
| 14:03.04 | the_sniff | wols_: i don't mean running as root |
| 14:03.09 | the_sniff | i mean running the pawns as root |
| 14:03.23 | infinity0 | wols_: ahh yeah cheers, and gotcha |
| 14:03.28 | wols_ | the_sniff: just cause a process starts as root doesn't men it has to keep that uid forever |
| 14:03.31 | stew | the_sniff: every process has a uid and a gid. when you start a process, it inherits the uid/gid of the parent process. a user can switch a gid to any group he is a member of. root can change to any uid or gid. |
| 14:03.48 | the_sniff | wols_: im not speaking in general, im asking for a specific reason |
| 14:03.58 | Diamond | wols_ : what kind of graphical interface is small and can be installed on with debian ? |
| 14:04.05 | stew | the_sniff: you haven't run apache as www-data and bound it to port 80. it runs as root, binds to port 80, then switches users |
| 14:04.08 | simonrvn | porcesses can also drop certain or all privileges |
| 14:04.13 | simonrvn | pro |
| 14:04.26 | wols_ | Diamond: ratpoison. but you can have (almnost) any WM in existence |
| 14:04.28 | the_sniff | stew: yeah, i know that. but wouldn't running apache with a highly priveleged gid be bad? |
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| 14:04.41 | the_sniff | stew: i know that : |
| 14:04.42 | the_sniff | :S |
| 14:04.46 | simonrvn | which is why it runs as www-data |
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| 14:05.14 | simonrvn | the parent runs as root, to handle certain asks that require those privs |
| 14:05.19 | simonrvn | tasks |
| 14:05.24 | simonrvn | !lart my typist |
| 14:05.32 | the_sniff | yes, as i've said, i know that |
| 14:05.32 | simonrvn | eew |
| 14:05.41 | stew | the_sniff: do you mean giving www-data access to highly priveleged groups? yes that is bad. is adm a highly privileged group? kinda. I don't know where they would have write access, but they can read logfiles |
| 14:05.45 | the_sniff | bug i was told our apache runs as an administrative gid |
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| 14:05.54 | the_sniff | and i'm wondering how bad is this |
| 14:06.04 | stew | the_sniff: it means that apache can read log files in /var/log |
| 14:06.12 | simonrvn | runs as? as in www-data:adm? |
| 14:06.19 | simonrvn | o_O |
| 14:06.43 | the_sniff | yes |
| 14:06.48 | fqh | hello..What is the noun form of "lonely"？ |
| 14:06.51 | simonrvn | .oO( i guess they haven't heard of groups... ) |
| 14:07.10 | wols_ | fqh: #english ? |
| 14:07.13 | the_sniff | simonrvn what? :s |
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| 14:07.31 | simonrvn | the_sniff: whomever did that |
| 14:07.32 | Diamond | i see in the http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/4.0_r1/i386/iso-cd/ 3 versions 1.standard 2.KDE 3.xfce |
| 14:07.35 | Diamond | ps. |
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| 14:07.37 | stew | fqh: loner? |
| 14:07.43 | eth01 | no. |
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| 14:07.46 | the_sniff | yeah im suspecting those fellas retarded |
| 14:07.51 | the_sniff | thats why i want to check the gid |
| 14:07.52 | wols_ | stew: loneliness |
| 14:07.56 | simonrvn | ignorant |
| 14:07.57 | Diamond | ratpoison can be installed on a clean server ? |
| 14:08.11 | eth01 | it's actually, lonelihood |
| 14:08.14 | Diamond | anyone knows the release site of ratpoison ? |
| 14:08.30 | wols_ | Diamond: just cause you install e.g. he kde cd doesn't mean you even have to install kde or that you can't install gnome afterwards |
| 14:08.36 | simonrvn | eth01: english major? :P |
| 14:08.57 | eth01 | simonrvn, Masters Degree |
| 14:09.03 | simonrvn | cool |
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| 14:09.19 | DustyBin | sod it im going to reinstall everything from scratch again, i dont like the sound of this |
| 14:09.39 | simonrvn | Diamond: why are you installing a wm on a server? |
| 14:09.40 | fqh | loneliness... Yes, It is ok |
| 14:09.45 | stew | Diamond: ratpoison can be installed on any debian machine. so yes, it can be installed on a server. though, in general, servers don't run X |
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| 14:10.05 | eth01 | fqh, in standard-form English, its lonelihood. |
| 14:10.16 | Diamond | stew : i know |
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| 14:10.25 | wols_ | eth01: just checked. websters lists both |
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| 14:10.50 | Diamond | another thing are there very nice looking grapical interfaces for debian ? |
| 14:11.06 | Diamond | with something you have a cube as a desktop ? |
| 14:11.14 | Diamond | i have readed about it |
| 14:11.21 | wols_ | you mean compiz. sorta |
| 14:11.21 | Rapp | Diamond, look for compiz |
| 14:11.25 | Diamond | forgot how it whas called |
| 14:11.28 | Diamond | compiz yes |
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| 14:11.41 | wols_ | Diamond: _definitely_ not for servers |
| 14:11.43 | simonrvn | 'read'; compiz, compiz-fusion, .... |
| 14:11.49 | fqh | lonelihood can't be found in my dictionary. haha |
| 14:11.49 | Diamond | okay. |
| 14:11.54 | Diamond | yes i know wols_ |
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| 14:13.23 | eth01 | http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/lonelihood |
| 14:13.25 | DawnLight | i hate samba |
| 14:13.36 | eth01 | google is nice, you should try it. |
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| 14:15.16 | DawnLight | i think i'm going to use ftp instead of smb. can ftp have good security? |
| 14:15.29 | DawnLight | of course it can |
| 14:15.33 | fqh | Yes ,I see it |
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| 14:16.03 | eth01 | !ftp |
| 14:16.04 | dpkg | it has been said that ftp is (File Transfer Protocol) This is a method of moving files from system to system using TCP/IP. There are three sane kinds of ftp: anonymous, encrypted and unprivileged (non-unix users). Unencrypted ftp using unix users will get your box pwn3d as fast as running windows on your firewall machine. |
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| 14:16.20 | Diamond | hmm |
| 14:16.34 | Diamond | can compiz be installed with ratpoison ? |
| 14:16.38 | eth01 | use SCP. |
| 14:16.40 | Diamond | it says |
| 14:16.43 | eth01 | or SFTP, if you have too. |
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| 14:16.49 | Diamond | Compiz is compatible: Any X Window System based desktop environment, including (but not limited to) Gnome and KDE, is supported |
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| 14:17.00 | azeem | Diamond: isn't ratpoison a window manager |
| 14:17.01 | maxamillion | Diamond: no, compiz is a window manager and ratpoison is a window manager ... one would replace the other |
| 14:17.03 | azeem | and compiz as well |
| 14:17.06 | maxamillion | azeem: yup |
| 14:18.00 | Diamond | maxamillion : so i can intall compiz as xwindow only ? |
| 14:18.02 | DustyBin | word of warning to everything: DO NOT attempt to install hotplug if you are using a backport kernel, it will mess up your box! |
| 14:18.05 | Diamond | on a clean server ? |
| 14:18.12 | Diamond | debian* |
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| 14:18.40 | azeem | Diamond: you might, not sure it makes a lot of sense though |
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| 14:18.51 | maxamillion | Diamond: no, i don't really think compiz is able to run by itself like say, openbox can |
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| 14:19.16 | Sara | hi |
| 14:19.41 | jelly | DustyBin: make backups. |
| 14:19.44 | themill | dpkg: greet Sara |
| 14:19.44 | dpkg | Welcome, Sara |
| 14:19.53 | Diamond | so. ratpoison include compiz wil work ? |
| 14:20.24 | DustyBin | jelly: i was 95% complete of setting up my box and i apt-get install hotplug by mistake thinking it was something else |
| 14:20.25 | azeem | Diamond: did you read what we just explained? |
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| 14:20.34 | Diamond | yes. yes. |
| 14:20.51 | azeem | did you understand it as well? |
| 14:21.09 | sneex | is there a text version of yelp, other than plain old man -k . ?? |
| 14:21.14 | Sara | how r u? |
| 14:21.43 | Diamond | but my plan is to do a clean install of my debian without anything then i will install ratpoison on it and then i want compiz running on it just to try. :) |
| 14:21.58 | maxamillion | Diamond: no, no it won't .... its not going to work |
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| 14:22.10 | Gekz | I don't like it when my CPU can just halve its frequency when it sees fit |
| 14:22.14 | Diamond | ok. |
| 14:22.16 | stew | Diamond: understand that you can only have one window manager at a time. so at any one time you can run ratpoison OR compiz |
| 14:22.19 | Gekz | -_- |
| 14:22.42 | stew | Gekz: remove the cpufreq or speedstep modules |
| 14:22.43 | themill | Gekz: if you're running a laptop then you should like that feature :) |
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| 14:23.06 | Gekz | stew:| i have. |
| 14:23.10 | Diamond | stew : you sure about that ? so i don't need to install anyother xwindow as only compiz ? |
| 14:23.25 | Gekz | themill: when the cpu runs at 600mhz, halving aint cool |
| 14:23.59 | stew | Diamond: i'm 100% positive that any given instance of a x server can only have one window manager running at a time. and both compiz and ratpoison are window managers |
| 14:24.01 | wols_ | Gekz: as soon as you need the full 600MHz, the system will give them to you |
| 14:24.09 | wols_ | it's just that computers simply wait 99% of time |
| 14:24.11 | stew | (and they are window managers that rarely appeal to the same person) |
| 14:24.15 | eth01 | wheres dpkg? |
| 14:24.19 | Gekz | wols_: what causes that though |
| 14:24.26 | Maulkin | dpkg: ping |
| 14:24.26 | dpkg | pong |
| 14:24.27 | themill | Gekz: you could set the cpu frequency policy to be "performance" not "dynamic". |
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| 14:24.28 | wols_ | what causes what? |
| 14:24.29 | Maulkin | There |
| 14:24.40 | Gekz | themill: oh? where is that |
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| 14:25.10 | Gekz | wols_: what causes the fluctuations |
| 14:25.19 | wols_ | your usage |
| 14:25.22 | themill | Gekz: when the full speed of the cpu isn't needed by the available workload, the freq is dropped ro reduce power consumption and heat output (and hence noise) |
| 14:25.23 | Gekz | if I have no kernel modules probed |
| 14:25.34 | wols_ | as I said: 99% of time the PC simply waits for your input and does nothing |
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| 14:25.47 | stew | i wish |
| 14:25.48 | Gekz | themill: I mean, where is the policy |
| 14:25.58 | eth01 | you have to reboot if you upgrade from etch to lenny, right? |
| 14:26.13 | wols_ | stew: what you mean? the cpu waiting thing or the reduction of noise and heat? |
| 14:26.26 | wols_ | eth01: not really if you keep the same kernel |
| 14:26.29 | stew | eth01: only if you want to run a new kernel |
| 14:26.37 | eSa| | hi, i got 2.6.23 kernel sources along with the debian patches package. How can I apply them? |
| 14:27.42 | themill | Gekz: you need to poke around in /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/ |
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| 14:27.45 | wols_ | eth01: just get the linux-source from sid |
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| 14:28.00 | eth01 | wols_, i just want to upgrade to lenny? |
| 14:28.00 | themill | Gekz: try cat /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/scaling_available_governors |
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| 14:28.24 | wols_ | eSa|: just get the linux source for 2.6.23 from sid |
| 14:28.27 | wols_ | eth01: wrong nick |
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| 14:29.01 | themill | Gekz: and then you can echo performance >> /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/scaling_governor |
| 14:29.20 | eSa| | that's what I did. |
| 14:29.21 | Gekz | bash: cat /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/scaling_available_governors: No such file or directory |
| 14:29.23 | eSa| | root@bee:/usr/src/linux# ../kernel-patches/all/2.6.23/apply/debian |
| 14:29.23 | eSa| | Nothing to do |
| 14:29.45 | eSa| | so i guess this output is what is to be expected |
| 14:29.58 | themill | Gekz: there are other GUI tools for doing this too. I use kpowersave if I ever need to, but I normally leave it on the dynamic setting unless I'm looking for extra battery life. |
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| 14:30.53 | Gekz | I dont have a cpufreq part in /sys/devices/cpu/cpu- |
| 14:31.05 | Gekz | err, add a system in there |
| 14:31.06 | themill | Gekz: what kernel are you using? |
| 14:31.15 | themill | Gekz: uname -r |
| 14:31.15 | Gekz | 2.6.22-3-686 |
| 14:31.25 | Gekz | heart* |
| 14:31.25 | eth01 | how do I upgrade to lenny without changing the kernel? |
| 14:31.51 | themill | Gekz: hmm... that should be there... although that might rely on one of the speedstep or acpi-freq scaling modules being loaded first. |
| 14:32.11 | the_sniff | i can't find the switch for ps to display the gid |
| 14:32.36 | Gekz | themill: I have no cpu scaling modules probde |
| 14:32.45 | jelly | Gekz: what CPU do you have? |
| 14:32.53 | Gekz | Celeron M >_> |
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| 14:33.10 | jelly | Gekz: pastebin /proc/cpuinfo, please |
| 14:33.15 | Gekz | it's got speedstep, but not enabled |
| 14:33.18 | Gekz | jelly: what for? |
| 14:33.23 | jelly | (and Celeron M isn't half bad) |
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| 14:33.35 | jelly | Gekz: to see what cpu you have. |
| 14:33.37 | saimazoon | Hello |
| 14:33.43 | saimazoon | How can I increase screen brightness ? |
| 14:33.53 | saimazoon | or does it only depend on the hardware device? |
| 14:33.56 | stew | eth01: you want to make sure that if you reboot, you still reboot into the kernel from etch? or you just want to not reboot? |
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| 14:34.09 | Gekz | http://texticle.net/241 |
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| 14:34.15 | saimazoon | Gekz ! |
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| 14:35.38 | hark | the celeron M doesen't have speedstep support IIRC |
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| 14:35.52 | shamrock | can anyone suggest my tv display and monitor black out after while no input even with the screen saver disabled? What other settings are tucked awy? |
| 14:35.55 | jelly | hark: oh it does. |
| 14:35.56 | Gekz | hark: then what's the ss flag? |
| 14:36.16 | Gekz | er, that could be taken as the nazi flag, never mind... |
| 14:36.29 | shastry | hi, whats the difference between xen-linux-system-2.6.18-5-xen-686 and xen-linux-system-2.6.18-5-xen-vserver-686 ? |
| 14:36.31 | jelly | Gekz: ok. lsmod | egrep 'clockmod|speedstep|freq|acpi' |
| 14:36.44 | shastry | what should i use if i want to setup a dom0 ? |
| 14:36.47 | Gekz | jelly: I know they arent there, I personally removed them |
| 14:37.09 | jelly | Gekz: frequency modulation can be accessed via p4-clockmod on my Celeron-M. |
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| 14:37.31 | Gekz | on the eee that causes a multitude of retarded issues >_> |
| 14:37.38 | Gekz | but still, what do you want me to do with it |
| 14:37.38 | Gekz | lol |
| 14:37.56 | jelly | Gekz: serves you right for having very new hardware! |
| 14:38.10 | Gekz | err, its a merger of new and old :P\ |
| 14:38.17 | Gekz | but the wifi is new |
| 14:39.01 | jelly | Celeron-M @ 900 MHz is rather new. I didn't even know they made ULV Celeron-Ms |
| 14:39.54 | dalias | yeah well you could always undervolt... |
| 14:39.57 | jelly | Gekz: in any case, if you load p4-clockmod you ought to be able to push the frequency to the max |
| 14:40.04 | dalias | :) |
| 14:40.13 | jelly | dalias: not that CPU |
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| 14:40.43 | themill | Gekz: sorry... I was called away for a bit. But it seems jelly has sorted you out anyway :) |
| 14:40.54 | h3sp4wn | jelly: The asus eepc uses those cpu's (and there is now a madwifi patch so could be ok) |
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| 14:41.01 | jelly | dalias: no publish interfaces for changing voltage for Celeron-M, that's one of things that was cut off. |
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| 14:41.28 | dalias | blah can't you do it on the board? |
| 14:41.30 | jelly | h3sp4wn: user mentioning the machine is an Eee kinda made us aware of that :-) |
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| 14:42.27 | Gekz | jelly: back, sorry |
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| 14:42.40 | Gekz | I changed to a virtual console and the system froe |
| 14:43.00 | Gekz | I'm just going to reinstall tomorrow, I broke something along the line, this was never a clean install to begin with |
| 14:43.07 | Gekz | butnow I know where to not sscrew up-_- |
| 14:43.07 | jelly | Gekz: why don't you jsut use the kernel the vendor provided? |
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| 14:43.18 | Gekz | jelly: it's more broken than the debian one |
| 14:43.19 | chops | Anyone know how to make "grep -P" work in etch? |
| 14:43.27 | Gekz | it slows the CPU to 3MHz... |
| 14:43.36 | Gekz | then back to 600 |
| 14:43.37 | Gekz | lol |
| 14:43.38 | jelly | Gekz: who cares if it doesn't freeze. |
| 14:43.45 | Gekz | jelly: it does freeze. |
| 14:43.55 | Gekz | the debian kernel didnt freeze it until tonight\ |
| 14:43.58 | Gekz | i broke somehting |
| 14:44.18 | Gekz | that'd be a good idea |
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| 14:44.35 | themill | chops: pcregrep |
| 14:44.35 | jelly | they're going to cost about $600 here anyway |
| 14:44.40 | Gekz | this is lenny btw |
| 14:44.42 | Gekz | where is |
| 14:44.46 | Gekz | "here" |
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| 14:45.09 | chops | themill: Ah, thanks. Might be worth a note in the docs, that. |
| 14:45.14 | Gekz | damn, " is too close to enter on this thing, " is about 0,8cm wide |
| 14:45.19 | hark | jelly: hmm.. according to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Celeron#Mobile_Celeron_and_Celeron_M , it doesn't |
| 14:45.28 | jelly | Gekz: Croatia, fwiw |
| 14:45.32 | themill | chops: grep -P not working is already in the BTS |
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| 14:45.47 | jelly | hark: I trust Intel's specs more that wikipedia. |
| 14:45.54 | stew | chops: there is pcregrep, or something like "perl -n -e '/regex/ && print'" |
| 14:46.02 | Gekz | jelly: I see, I'm in Australia, only 160 were ordered into the country |
| 14:46.08 | Gekz | $500 each |
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| 14:46.40 | chops | stew: Yah, it just seems that there should be a note next to -P in 'man grep' saying "doesn't work, install pcregrep in Debian" rather than the cheerful description of an option that doesn't work |
| 14:46.43 | themill | chops: #318680, #364998, #441373, #443103, #238237 |
| 14:46.57 | stew | !dbugs 443103 |
| 14:47.00 | dpkg | #443103:N[grep] grep: Support for the -P option is not compiled into this --disable-perl-regexp; Tue, 18 Sep 2007 17:54:01 UTC |
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| 14:47.35 | jelly | hark: what a Celeron-M does not have, is "Advanced Speedstep", Deep Sleep (or whatever intel calls the deeper-than-C3 state), voltage scaling, and putting off parts of L2 cache to sleep |
| 14:48.31 | jelly | Gekz: have fun w/ your new toy ;-) |
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| 14:48.43 | hark | jelly: yeah, it seems it uses p4-clockmod instead for cpufreq scaling |
| 14:48.56 | saimazoon | is there any way to change screen brightness in Debian? |
| 14:49.03 | saimazoon | using gnome-power-management? |
| 14:49.06 | Gekz | jelly: I hate you lol |
| 14:49.09 | chops | themill, stew: Ah, I see 238237 contains the request to add documentation (as well as the equally-reasonable request that trying to use grep -P output a useful error message). Thanks. |
| 14:49.29 | Gekz | jelly: it gives me a reason to make a 20MB lenny installer usb image |
| 14:49.37 | themill | chops: yeah. It's a long and old argument that one :( |
| 14:49.38 | Gekz | netinst |
| 14:50.28 | chops | themill: What's been done now seems fine to me, it's just the docs should be updated. Also, a response from the maintainer other than control messages would be a bit more polite. |
| 14:50.47 | themill | *nod* |
| 14:51.31 | DawnLight | i need documentation on how to block certain ports |
| 14:51.56 | chops | DawnLight: Google for iptables. Also, most daemons can be configured to bind only to certain interfaces, which is generally considered cleaner. |
| 14:52.02 | jelly | hark: my Thinkpad has what that page calls "Dothan-1024". p4-clockmod is indeed the way to do freq.modulation on it. |
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| 14:52.28 | DawnLight | chops: samba can be fulled by ip spoofing, so i have to |
| 14:52.33 | DawnLight | fooled |
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| 14:54.08 | stew | i've never looked closely to see why we don't just enable -P. i assume there must be a good reason |
| 14:54.14 | jelly | hark: "SpeedStep disabled" is misleading. It's only really crippled. :-) |
| 14:54.18 | chops | DawnLight: Hm... my smbd is only bound to the interfaces I bound it to; I thought that that meant that traffic coming in on other interfaces couldn't talk to it regardless of IP spoofing. Or do you mean nmbd? |
| 14:54.39 | dm | Hello. I use pam-mysql to authenticate users on a machine. Yesterday it lost the network connection to the database server and something "interesting" happened: 1) I couldn't login anymore, even as root with pubkey, 2) root's cronjobs couldn't be executed (cuoldn't retrieve auth info). Any idea how to exclude the root user from pam-mysql rules? |
| 14:54.45 | DawnLight | nmbd can be fooled by spoofing |
| 14:54.57 | themill | stew: enabling -P would drag libpcre into /lib not /usr/lib, make installer images larger, make boot images larger etc. |
| 14:55.02 | chops | DawnLight: That's actually something I should worry about; I do have nmbd listening on an external interface... |
| 14:55.16 | hark | jelly: heh yes .. no Enhanced Intel Advanced SpeedStep® technology ;) |
| 14:55.25 | DawnLight | the 'interfaces' and 'bind interfacs only' options are what i'm talking about |
| 14:55.56 | chops | DawnLight: Yeah. I never realized nmbd was listening on my external interface. Time to stop worrying about it; I'm sure it's fine. |
| 14:56.02 | superpigs | where is this directory? : What is the location of the directory of C header files that match your running kernel? |
| 14:56.28 | DawnLight | chops: say that after you've been pwnd |
| 14:56.32 | chops | superpigs: Install the linux-headers package that corresponds to your kernel version |
| 14:56.35 | stew | themill: then maybe the code needs to be changed to load the library on demand if available |
| 14:56.50 | superpigs | chops okey how? |
| 14:57.02 | superpigs | chops im on debian 4.0 etch |
| 14:57.04 | chops | superpigs: aptitude. /msg dpkg grounding |
| 14:57.10 | superpigs | thanks |
| 14:57.27 | themill | stew: that would seem to be an obvious option. But not one that the maintainer seems interested in trying. I'm sure that's discussed somewhere in one of those 5 bugs. |
| 14:57.48 | wols_ | chops: not really. samba and public interfaces don't mix |
| 14:58.11 | jelly | hark: enhanced, advanced, yeah, whatever. this particular CPU can do something between V2.2 and V3.1 from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SpeedStep ... freq. scaling in steps of 100MHz, but no L2 cache switching off or voltage mod. Makes the battery go from 4.5 - 5 hours with a real P-M to 2.5-3 hours on this CPU. If you're lucky. |
| 14:58.45 | chops | DawnLight, wols_: Interesting... what's the worst that can happen if someone spoofs an IP and talks to nmbd? Can they just explore the hostname mapping for my internal network, or can they cause some serious damage? |
| 14:59.12 | superpigs | chops the bot gave me no good response |
| 14:59.18 | superpigs | only blablabla bullshit blabla |
| 14:59.47 | themill | superpigs: the bot gave you a very carefully written response that provides you with the information you need. |
| 14:59.52 | jelly | hark: it also explains Eee PC's not-stellar battery scorce somewhat. That machine was built to be cheap. |
| 14:59.53 | chops | superpigs: You have to read the docs, sorry. I'm not going to explain to you how to install software on a Debian system from scratch when there are perfectly good pages you can read it that explain it much better than I could. |
| 14:59.59 | azeem | superpigs: if you ask "how to install something", that might indicate you have no idea how to use debian |
| 15:00.00 | DawnLight | i'm sure i can make some network traffic in that case |
| 15:00.10 | superpigs | themill i just told you it did not |
| 15:00.11 | azeem | superpigs: if you indeed know how to use debian, ask more specific questions |
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| 15:00.21 | chops | DawnLight: I have cleaned up a number of pwned servers in my time, I do take it seriously. |
| 15:00.24 | themill | superpigs: and I'm telling you it did. Where does that get us> |
| 15:00.28 | superpigs | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:00.28 | superpigs | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:00.29 | superpigs | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:00.35 | superpigs | how is this good? |
| 15:00.39 | cr3 | anyone happen to know how python-support works? if I have something under /usr/share/python-support/foo, shouldn't I be able to import it? |
| 15:00.46 | azeem | superpigs: "ask me about..." |
| 15:00.48 | superpigs | my question cannot have been more simple |
| 15:00.54 | superpigs | so please |
| 15:00.56 | chops | superpigs: Well, have you read the debian reference and the apt howto? |
| 15:01.05 | azeem | superpigs: your question was basically: "I do not know how to use debian" |
| 15:01.17 | azeem | 15:56 < azeem> superpigs: if you indeed know how to use debian, ask more specific questions |
| 15:01.29 | superpigs | what are you talking about? this is what i want to know : can you answer? yes or no? where is this directory? : What is the location of the directory of C header files that match your running kernel? |
| 15:01.30 | ktwilight_ | this is rather strange, KDE neither depends on Xorg NOR xfree86, how fun! |
| 15:01.34 | chops | superpigs: That's what you need to read at this point. Or you can keep asking here for people to explain the basics of Debian to you one line at a time... that'll take a while, though. |
| 15:01.38 | stew | cr3: if you have something in /usr/share/python-support/foo, then symlinks should have been made in /usr/lib/python2.X/site-packages-foo/ pointing to the .pys in the python-support directory at install time |
| 15:01.47 | DawnLight | ktwilight_: remote X |
| 15:01.59 | stew | superpigs: /lib/modules/$(uname -r)/build |
| 15:02.00 | ktwilight_ | no kidding. |
| 15:02.05 | superpigs | chops stop writting like a bot. can you answer or not |
| 15:02.08 | DawnLight | damn straight |
| 15:02.09 | superpigs | stew THANKS |
| 15:02.42 | stew | superpigs: that assumes that you have installed the headers package for the running kernel |
| 15:02.55 | stew | superpigs: which would be linux-haeders-$(uname -r) |
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| 15:03.34 | superpigs | stew yupp. thanks again :)) |
| 15:03.51 | superpigs | im installing vmware thats why i need this |
| 15:04.01 | cr3 | stew: interesting, I have a debian/rules file with DEB_PYTHON_SYSTEM := pysupport and files are being stored under /usr/share/python-support but there's nothing under /usr/lib/python2.X/site-packages relating to my package |
| 15:04.23 | stew | cr3: what is in debian/pyversions ? |
| 15:04.26 | azeem | cr3: is your package building C extensions? |
| 15:04.27 | themill | !tell superpigs about vmware-package |
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| 15:04.46 | darsie | stew: debian/perversions? :) |
| 15:05.02 | superpigs | themill thanks but i am on etch |
| 15:05.18 | JYL57 | hello debian world ! |
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| 15:05.26 | stew | superpigs: /msg dpkg simple sid backport |
| 15:05.27 | saimazoon | how can I change screen brightness on a laptop |
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| 15:05.35 | saimazoon | i heard it involved using acpi |
| 15:05.36 | stew | saimazoon: with xbacklight |
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| 15:05.50 | saimazoon | mmm |
| 15:05.56 | JYL57 | I'm shamefull but I don't know how to change my keyboard layout on X window ?! |
| 15:06.00 | themill | stew: that's not in etch :( |
| 15:06.09 | tanob | hello guys, anybody knows how can i configure the Xorg to recognize the media keys of the pavilion dv5000 keyboard? |
| 15:06.09 | saimazoon | that program doesn't exist, stew |
| 15:06.15 | saimazoon | is it part of a greater package? |
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| 15:06.30 | stew | saimazoon: no, its just not in stable yet, sorry |
| 15:06.33 | stew | JYL57: /msg dpkg keymap |
| 15:06.52 | cr3 | stew: no such file, so I guess that's the problem! thanks man |
| 15:07.05 | JYL57 | stew: thanks |
| 15:07.07 | cr3 | azeem: nope, but I might in the future. is there some trap I could avoid? |
| 15:07.10 | saimazoon | so how do people tune their screen brightness on Debian? |
| 15:07.11 | Nyle | Good Morning |
| 15:07.12 | stew | cr3: i'm not sure. i don't know what cdbs does in that situation. |
| 15:07.13 | saimazoon | this is ridiculous |
| 15:07.23 | themill | saimazoon: often, there's a key combination that will work, such as Fn+Up or Fn+F11or something. |
| 15:07.27 | eth01 | how do I upgrade to lenny without changing the kernel? |
| 15:07.29 | Nyle | saimazoon: through the brighness button on the monitor |
| 15:07.36 | stew | cr3: do you know what versions of python your software works with? |
| 15:07.36 | Nyle | saimazoon: its not OS dependant |
| 15:07.48 | saimazoon | It doesn't work here, themill |
| 15:07.53 | saimazoon | you mean hot keys, but they are no working |
| 15:07.57 | Nyle | its usually the fn key which is not controlled by OS afaik |
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| 15:08.03 | Nyle | its a bios thingy on those laptops |
| 15:08.05 | saimazoon | but it doesn't work here |
| 15:08.23 | cr3 | stew: yes, works with 2.4 and 2.5 |
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| 15:08.46 | Nyle | but it should work regardless |
| 15:08.58 | JYL57 | stew: I typed loadkeys fr but my keyboard is still in QWERTY mode ?! why |
| 15:09.06 | stew | cr3: then create a debian/pyversions file with "2.4-" (assuming it would work under the not yet released 2.6) |
| 15:09.14 | open_lad | webcam problem in linux . can anyone help??? |
| 15:09.22 | stew | JYL57: becuase loadkeys is for console, and you are in x. try 'setxkbmap fr' |
| 15:09.23 | open_lad | prabin@prabin-laptop:~$ lsusb |
| 15:09.23 | open_lad | Bus 002 Device 002: ID 15ca:00c3 |
| 15:09.23 | open_lad | Bus 002 Device 001: ID 0000:0000 |
| 15:09.23 | open_lad | Bus 004 Device 001: ID 0000:0000 |
| 15:09.23 | open_lad | Bus 005 Device 001: ID 0000:0000 |
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| 15:09.39 | stew | cr3: and do you have an XB-Pyyhon-Versions: header in the binary package in debian/control? |
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| 15:10.39 | felix_da_catz | Does debian have a HCL? |
| 15:10.45 | stew | !tell open_lad about paste |
| 15:10.59 | kshah | Hi, at http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/4.0_r1/i386/iso-cd/ there are many debian-40r1-i286-CD-(number).iso choices.. they all have different file sizes.. I assume I d/l the first one if I need a full CD version of Deb? |
| 15:11.08 | open_lad | camorama says unable to connect to /dev/video0. please help i am new to irc |
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| 15:11.25 | cr3 | stew: I did try that once but encountered problems with it, I'll try again |
| 15:11.47 | themill | saimazoon: I've come across a couple of laptops where the Fn+Up etc keys don't do that but I've never spent the time to get them to work. |
| 15:12.00 | stew | cr3: you should have "XB-Python-Version: ${python:Versions}" in the binary package |
| 15:12.06 | open_lad | lsusb provides me with "0c45:613a Microdia" |
| 15:12.36 | hark | felix_da_catz: /msg dpkg hcl |
| 15:13.34 | stew | open_lad: that card appears to be supported by the sn9c102 module. is that module loaded? |
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| 15:14.01 | cr3 | stew: many thanks, I'm trying it now and attempting to build/install |
| 15:14.38 | cr3 | stew: debuild returns: dpkg-genchanges: warning: unknown information field 'Xb-Python-Version' in input data in package's section of control info file |
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| 15:15.08 | stew | cr3: yes, that is expected. ignore the warning |
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| 15:19.07 | DrMitch | is lenny about to become non-testing? it seems like there's a LOT of updates in the past couple days |
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| 15:19.31 | abrotman | about to become? |
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| 15:19.41 | abrotman | wouldn't a lot of updates imply not-frozen? |
| 15:19.45 | stew | DrMitch: no. and what its about to become stable, it would be frozen and you'd see very few updates |
| 15:20.25 | DrMitch | i was thinking, they wanted to get a lot of stuff out and call it done. but okay |
| 15:20.41 | abrotman | yes .. the new cram&release technique |
| 15:21.34 | DrMitch | that's totally what i would do |
| 15:21.41 | abrotman | you use gentoo eh? |
| 15:21.47 | DrMitch | LOL |
| 15:22.04 | JYL57 | I've found my answer : setxkbmap -layout XX :-) |
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| 15:22.29 | Laibsch | I wonder if the following is possible: /data/my.iso automounted to /mnt/auto/iso which gets exported via NFS to the LAN (think CD server/PXE boot). |
| 15:22.40 | Laibsch | The thing is that if I trigger the automount on the server itself, the NFS export works fine as well. But when /mnt/auto/iso is not yet mounted, an NFS request for it fails. Is that to be expected? |
| 15:22.48 | stew | JYL57: did you find the answer in the message i sent you 15 minutes ago? |
| 15:23.12 | DrMitch | well i HATE having to update everyday, mainly because one a month or so, an update breaks something, and also, it says "Cannot install all available updates:" and i can NOT install them |
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| 15:23.32 | JYL57 | stew: nope, I probably didn't knew how to ask dpkg... but no problem |
| 15:23.54 | abrotman | DrMitch: use etch |
| 15:23.57 | JYL57 | stew:I 've another one...;-) |
| 15:23.57 | stew | JYL57: no i meant that i told you directly. anyway, glad you found the answer |
| 15:24.12 | DrMitch | once the semester ends, i probably will |
| 15:24.29 | stew | DrMitch: if there is some update you want that you are having trouble installing, ask us a more specific question |
| 15:24.44 | JYL57 | stew: My partition is too big to be saved on my DVD, what should I backup in priority ?? |
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| 15:24.59 | abrotman | your /home/ |
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| 15:25.12 | DrMitch | i don't want any updates. and there's currently 30 updates that "Cannot be installed" |
| 15:25.33 | stew | JYL57: /home whatever is important in /var (/var/backups, /var/www? /var/lib/mysql?), /etc |
| 15:25.44 | stew | DrMitch: if there is some update you want that you are having trouble installing, ask us a more specific question |
| 15:25.59 | DrMitch | i don't want any updates. and there's currently 30 updates that "Cannot be installed" |
| 15:26.00 | DrMitch | hehe |
| 15:26.07 | JYL57 | stew: Ok, I will sum up the Go and see... thanks |
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| 15:29.17 | asn | Greetings. We are trying to install debian on a laptop with no floppy/cd/dvd support (BIOS also can't see the USB flash disk) and blah.blah.blah. We are gonna use the goodbye-microsoft windows-loader and edit the initrd image it uses by adding additional modulse that our ethernet_adapter needs. |
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| 15:30.02 | asn | What I'm asking from you? A url for downloading the freaking usb-storage modules, I'm searching for like 30minutes. |
| 15:30.41 | abrotman | they're in the kernel? |
| 15:30.49 | GhostlyDeath | asn: If you are installing via the "goodbye" windows you need to be connected to the internet |
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| 15:31.05 | GhostlyDeath | asn: Plug an ethernet cable from your laptop to your router/hub |
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| 15:31.25 | asn | GhostlyDeath: exactly, that's why we need the usb-storage and usbnet modules that are not included in the 4MB initrd image it uses. |
| 15:32.06 | GhostlyDeath | You got a USB network card? or is your computer connected via USB to your modem? |
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| 15:32.22 | Orion_X11 | What does i"1 )Recover to out-of-box-state" mean? |
| 15:32.28 | SamuraiDio | hi |
| 15:32.40 | SamuraiDio | how do i install compiz-fusion on debian? |
| 15:32.57 | GhostlyDeath | Orion_X11: returns your computer to when you got it when you took it out of the box |
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| 15:33.11 | Maulkin | !compviz |
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| 15:33.16 | Maulkin | !compiz |
| 15:33.16 | dpkg | compiz is, like, a window and composite manager that uses OpenGL for rendering. It runs on <Xgl> and <AIGLX>. It is now in Debian and can run when AIGLX and composite are enabled for your X server. Read http://wiki.debian.org/Compiz for configuration and usage details. Current state of Compiz (et al) in unstable can be found at http://wiki.debian.org/XStrikeForce/Compiz |
| 15:33.34 | Orion_X11 | I do not know this "out-of-the-box-state" meaning |
| 15:33.39 | asn | GhostlyDeath: alright, the laptop has no ethernet (UTP?) connection. We are using a usb-to-ethernet adapter, that needs the usbnet modules. |
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| 15:33.56 | stew | asn: can you pull the drive and put it into another machine to do the install? |
| 15:34.05 | asn | stew: that would be boring :P |
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| 15:34.17 | asn | stew: and we also need a screwdriver. |
| 15:34.20 | GhostlyDeath | asn: What laptop do you have? |
| 15:34.21 | stew | !rube-goldberg install |
| 15:34.24 | Maulkin | asn: pxe boot? |
| 15:34.26 | stew | !rube goldberg install |
| 15:34.26 | dpkg | "Hi! I want to install Debian with a 2.6.x kernel on a machine, but I can't boot from floppies, and I can't boot from CD-ROM, and I have no network card. I have only a USB dot matrix printer and a punch card reader." |
| 15:34.32 | dv | hi, |
| 15:34.34 | asn | GhostlyDeath: No idea. A 1997 laptop from a guy. |
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| 15:34.50 | dv | would you use kde or gnome on a machine with 768 meg ram? |
| 15:34.56 | dv | and use it for c++ development |
| 15:34.59 | dkr | dv: yes |
| 15:35.00 | asn | Well, I'm just asking where the hell can I find the usb-storage modules. That simple :( |
| 15:35.02 | Maulkin | dv: personally, neither. |
| 15:35.06 | asn | dkr: yes. |
| 15:35.13 | Maulkin | asn: in the damn kernel as you've been told. |
| 15:35.14 | asn | dkr: actually ,no. I would use XFCE. |
| 15:35.20 | asn | Maulkin: What kernel? |
| 15:35.22 | azeem | asn: dv asked, not dkr |
| 15:35.24 | GhostlyDeath | dv: yes but I'd only use GNOME |
| 15:35.29 | Maulkin | asn: the linux kernel. |
| 15:35.36 | dv | its mostly because of the ram usage |
| 15:35.46 | jelly | stew: I've never seen an USB dot matrix printer, but everything else sounds real. ;-) |
| 15:35.52 | dv | kde/gnome do not chew that much ram do they? |
| 15:35.53 | Maulkin | dv: xfce. |
| 15:36.00 | asn | Maulkin: The Linux kernel of which computer? |
| 15:36.02 | Maulkin | dv: yes, they do :) |
| 15:36.03 | azeem | Maulkin: huh? |
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| 15:36.21 | Maulkin | asn: mine? What one are you using? |
| 15:36.23 | azeem | it's the applications which chew ram |
| 15:36.39 | dalias | dv, i wouldn't use gnome or kde no matter how much ram i had |
| 15:36.44 | dalias | they're counterproductive |
| 15:36.50 | dv | thats not my question |
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| 15:36.52 | dalias | :) |
| 15:36.56 | asn | Maulkin: you suggest copying the modules /usr/src/blah/blah/usb*.o from my current installation to the initrd file? |
| 15:37.04 | azeem | 768 MB RAM is totally fine for running either KDE or GNOME |
| 15:37.19 | stew | dv: i wouldn't expect the memory requirements of kde or gnome to vastly differ |
| 15:37.20 | open_lad | stew: how to load such module |
| 15:37.26 | stew | open_lad: modprobe modulename |
| 15:37.32 | dkr | azeem: yeah, and running de or gnome also launches several procs to go along with the "desktop environment". if you are concerned about ram you can just run a window manager like fluxbox or xfce or fvwm2 without all the extra stuff that kde/gnome add. :) |
| 15:37.37 | asn | FLAMEE WAAAAR KEEEEP YOUR HEEAAAAAAADSS DOOWWWWN |
| 15:37.46 | K|NgGh0sT | I'm running xfs_repair, and I am getting fatal error -- creation of .. entry failed (117), filesystem may be out of space, but I have lots of free space |
| 15:37.54 | azeem | asn: stop writing in all caps |
| 15:37.59 | jelly | dkr: xfce is a bt bloated too, but can be tailored |
| 15:38.04 | dkr | I don't think anyone claimed kde vs gnome are much different in ram. |
| 15:38.04 | GhostlyDeath | hey "cat /dev/input/event0" is cool |
| 15:38.25 | azeem | dkr: so you're claiming 768 MB is too less to seriously run Gnome or Kde? |
| 15:38.37 | GhostlyDeath | 16MB is seriously too less |
| 15:38.47 | dkr | azeem: no. I wouldn't be oncerned if I had that much ram. but apparently dv is. :) |
| 15:38.48 | Maulkin | azeem: I would if you're doing C++ development on it. |
| 15:38.50 | superpigs | whats the commotion about? |
| 15:38.58 | asn | Maulkin: Eh? |
| 15:39.00 | azeem | dkr: he is *not* |
| 15:39.05 | azeem | dkr: he is asking us |
| 15:39.12 | dv | yes c++ development is the point |
| 15:39.22 | open_lad | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:39.22 | asn | Maulkin: you suggest copying the modules /usr/src/blah/blah/usb*.o from my current installation to the initrd file? |
| 15:39.27 | dv | g++ can use up much ram depending on the code |
| 15:39.37 | GhostlyDeath | That's why there's swap! |
| 15:39.45 | azeem | dv: so write proper code |
| 15:39.46 | dv | yes and swap is slow |
| 15:39.54 | dkr | azeem: you read between lines better than me, I guess. ;) |
| 15:39.58 | dv | azeem, proper c++ code IS compile-time heav |
| 15:40.00 | dv | heavy |
| 15:40.04 | SamuraiDio | i'm having problem with a sata hd, sometimes my system dont boot, saying that /dev/sda does't exist |
| 15:40.12 | dv | potentially, that is. |
| 15:40.13 | SamuraiDio | any suggestion? |
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| 15:40.16 | dalias | i didn't see him say "proper c++ code" :) |
| 15:40.22 | dalias | just "proper code" |
| 15:40.25 | open_lad | stew: modprobe sn9c102 done but again same error with camorama. |
| 15:40.32 | Maulkin | asn: no. /msg dpkg initrd |
| 15:40.32 | dkr | SamuraiDio: loose connector? sata cables are slightly notorious for not seating well |
| 15:40.38 | azeem | dv: if you can code c++, I gues you can also try out gnome or kde and switch to something else when you find out g++ doesn't fit |
| 15:40.52 | stew | open_lad: check "dmesg" for errors that might have occured when loading the module |
| 15:40.56 | dalias | lol |
| 15:41.04 | stew | open_lad: the error is that /dev/video0 doesn't exist? |
| 15:41.08 | dalias | seriously you don't need 768 megs for compiling c++ anyway |
| 15:41.14 | dv | azeem, true, but asking beforehand saves me the trouble trying it |
| 15:41.16 | dalias | 128 megs should be more than a plenty |
| 15:41.27 | dv | dalias, I've had 256 meg before. on this laptop. |
| 15:41.30 | SamuraiDio | dkr, no, grub loads the kernel, but the kernel dont recognizes the hd |
| 15:41.32 | dv | it was godawful |
| 15:41.32 | azeem | dalias: I've seen g++ use 300-400 MB |
| 15:41.35 | dkr | yeah, software was written before 512MB dimms existed. :) |
| 15:41.40 | dalias | azeem, change the cflags |
| 15:41.41 | stew | SamuraiDio: but sometimes is does? |
| 15:41.45 | SamuraiDio | dkr, and just sometimes, for now its working |
| 15:41.52 | SamuraiDio | yeah |
| 15:41.56 | azeem | dalias: I was just building the debian package |
| 15:41.56 | dalias | -fno-unit-at-a-time will probably help tremendously |
| 15:41.57 | jelly | I want to convert $installed_distro to Debian. Is there a documented way to keep the users and users' data intact, from a random .deb based users-in-shadow distro? |
| 15:42.12 | dkr | SamuraiDio: and no errors in dmesg? |
| 15:42.18 | open_lad | stew: could not connect to video device /dev/video0. please check connection |
| 15:42.20 | GhostlyDeath | I gotta get hibernation working |
| 15:42.27 | jelly | (Notice how I cleverly avoided mentioning Ubuntu there) |
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| 15:42.39 | stew | open_lad: what does "ls -l /dev/video0" return? |
| 15:42.40 | chops | dv: 256MB is bearable if you use some judgement in what software you run. I run blackbox on a 256MB system and it's okay. dpkg is painful, though... |
| 15:42.41 | dalias | jelly, should be possible |
| 15:42.50 | azeem | chops: he got 768 |
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| 15:42.53 | azeem | sheesh |
| 15:42.57 | dalias | jelly, just backup the passwd and shadow and group files |
| 15:42.59 | asn | jelly: It is possible afaik, but it's not safe. |
| 15:43.01 | gamag | can someone tell me the address of lkml mailing list? |
| 15:43.07 | azeem | gamag: google |
| 15:43.09 | dalias | and copy and paste the users back into them after installing |
| 15:43.12 | azeem | gamag: how is your question related to Debian? |
| 15:43.13 | chops | gamag: www.justfuckinggoogleit.com?q=lkml |
| 15:43.14 | dkr | jelly: cp /home somewhere else first? :) |
| 15:43.21 | gamag | azeem: lkml.org is not opening |
| 15:43.24 | jelly | dalias: I know it's possible, I've converted sparc Solaris systems to i386 Debian. |
| 15:43.26 | azeem | gamag: how is your question related to Debian? |
| 15:43.28 | dv | chops, well compiling template-heavy c++ stuff is a lesson in torture with 256 megs |
| 15:43.32 | asn | jelly: I mean, downgrading Debian itself is not entirely safe, imagine switching completely to another distro |
| 15:43.57 | open_lad | stew: crw-r--r-- 1 root root 45, 0 2007-12-06 20:46 /dev/video0 |
| 15:43.58 | open_lad | as i had done mknod /dev/video0 45 0 |
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| 15:44.10 | gamag | azeem: it is not? i thought debian runs on linux kernel so it must be related. |
| 15:44.11 | h3sp4wn | asn: people switch from redhat/fedora to debian all the time (on remote boxes sometimes also) |
| 15:44.13 | dv | now I upgraded to 768 mb and it works fine. the whole point is to not have the DE eat it all up and leaving me with little ram for g++ again :) |
| 15:44.15 | chops | dv: Writing template-heavy c++ stuff is even more painful, I'll wager. Not to mention debugging it... |
| 15:44.22 | dv | but anyway, I'll try. |
| 15:44.29 | azeem | gamag: debian also has a package called anarchism |
| 15:44.30 | dv | chops, its bearable. and it pays off. |
| 15:44.39 | dkr | jelly: during debian install you can choose not to reformat existing partitions. if /home is a spearate one it woul dbe quite easy since you'd just have to backup /etc/passwd/shadow |
| 15:44.40 | azeem | gamag: that doesn't make discussions about anarchism on-topic here |
| 15:44.48 | gamag | azeem: what is anarchism about? |
| 15:44.49 | dv | chops, will get much better in c++0x though |
| 15:44.57 | dv | (finally) |
| 15:44.58 | azeem | gamag: did you read what I just said? |
| 15:44.59 | dashs | Would someone list the 'stock' FontPath statements that are installed with etch? Hope there's no flood. |
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| 15:45.28 | stew | open_lad: do you have the udev package installed? what does "uname -r" say? |
| 15:45.38 | jelly | ok, next question then. How to export aptitude's installed/marked-auto db to another machine and replicate the state of installed packages? Like dpkg's selections, but taking care of aptitude state. |
| 15:45.45 | gamag | azeem: then where should I talk about lkml mailing list and anarchism? |
| 15:45.50 | azeem | gamag: elsewhere |
| 15:46.14 | open_lad | 2.6.22-14-generic (ubuntu box) |
| 15:46.16 | gamag | azeem: there are only 2 users in #elsewhere |
| 15:46.27 | gamag | and both are bots |
| 15:46.27 | themill | gamag: one would normally talk about lkml on lkml... |
| 15:46.27 | azeem | gamag: did I say #elsewhere? |
| 15:46.37 | azeem | gamag: are you deliberately trolling now? |
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| 15:46.45 | gamag | azeem: oh |
| 15:46.49 | azeem | gamag: please accept if you are told your questions are off-topic |
| 15:46.56 | azeem | and do not discuss |
| 15:46.59 | chops | When I try to valgrind curlftpfs (even as root), it doesn't work. Does anyone happen to know what might be amiss? |
| 15:47.05 | stew | gamag: ask about lkml in #kernelnewbies on irc.oftc.net |
| 15:47.10 | gamag | stew: ok |
| 15:47.11 | stew | gamag: or ##linux |
| 15:47.11 | open_lad | stew: 2.6.22-14-generic (ubuntu box) |
| 15:47.18 | themill | gamag: or go to kerneltrap.org |
| 15:47.19 | gamag | stew: ok |
| 15:47.24 | stew | open_lad: please go to #ubuntu for help with ubuntu |
| 15:47.52 | dkr | jelly: just build a text file which lists all installed packages on existing system, i.e. dpkg -l|grep '^i' ? |
| 15:47.55 | open_lad | stew: actually i had same prob with debian as it |
| 15:48.15 | themill | dpkg: sing sunday |
| 15:48.15 | dpkg | Everyday is like sunday... Everyday the tards come to play... |
| 15:48.20 | dkr | jelly: seems like there would be a less kludgy way, though |
| 15:48.28 | jelly | dkr: that won't take care of aptitude's knowing which ones were installed automatically, and which were not. |
| 15:48.52 | dkr | jelly: well don't put those(the A ones) in the list |
| 15:49.09 | stew | open_lad: if you want help with it in debian, i might be able to help. in debian i would not have recommended that you use mknod. i don't know about ubuntu though. please ask #ubuntu |
| 15:49.26 | jelly | dkr: how do I get the list of auto.installed? |
| 15:49.27 | hark | jelly: /msg dpkg aptitude clone ? |
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| 15:49.48 | whochismo | Hi everyone |
| 15:49.50 | clamiax | mmh |
| 15:50.07 | themill | dpkg: greet whochismo |
| 15:50.07 | dpkg | Gr33tz, whochismo |
| 15:50.13 | jelly | hark: thanks, looks promising |
| 15:50.15 | whochismo | can anybody help me with a problem |
| 15:50.16 | stew | jelly: aptitude search '~i!~M' to get the list of manually installed packages |
| 15:50.19 | clamiax | do i need to load some kernel module in order to use my mmc/sd/rss card reader? |
| 15:50.24 | whochismo | regarding name resolutions in a samba server? |
| 15:50.26 | themill | !tell whochismo about ask |
| 15:50.39 | stew | jelly: lose the ! to get automatic. or check /var/lib/apt/extended_states |
| 15:50.40 | whochismo | ok ok |
| 15:50.41 | open_lad | stew: i failed in ubuntu irc so went for mother of all. |
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| 15:50.56 | stew | open_lad: if you need help with irc in general, try #freenode |
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| 15:51.23 | dkr | stew: ah, there we go. I was just reading docs to find that. :) |
| 15:51.33 | jelly | stew: I still forget about aptitude's multitude of search functions, thanks |
| 15:51.36 | dkr | the aptitude search options, that is |
| 15:51.49 | whochismo | well, my windows machines are unable to resolve the samba (netbios) name of a server running debian |
| 15:51.57 | trombo | Hi, exim4 debian etch (out of box) runs in a chroot environment. It listens on the local interface but not |
| 15:52.00 | trombo | the extern one 192.168.178.3. How is that possible? What can I do? |
| 15:52.03 | trombo | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:52.09 | whochismo | and i can't find anything to solve that |
| 15:52.14 | themill | jelly: they are quite dense, aren't they... and people say that perl looks like line noise |
| 15:52.16 | azeem | trombo: configure it appropriately |
| 15:52.18 | chops | whochismo: Is the workground the same? Does 'nmblookup fooblah' work on the Debian machine, where 'fooblah' is the machine's name? |
| 15:52.29 | azeem | trombo: do you think listening on the internet by default makes sense? |
| 15:52.35 | whochismo | let me try |
| 15:52.53 | chops | whochismo: s/workground/workgroup/ sorry |
| 15:53.00 | dkr | some of my man pages seem to misinterpret the formattnig codes. e.g. man aptitude has stuff like: \fBsearch\fR |
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| 15:53.10 | open_lad | stew: i mean got no success help from ubuntu irc so seeking ur help |
| 15:53.12 | chops | dkr: File a bug |
| 15:53.20 | whochismo | yes, they're in the same workgroup, but it still doesn't work |
| 15:53.20 | dashs | nevermind: found original xorg.conf.... |
| 15:53.39 | stew | open_lad: sorry, your questions are off-topic in here. if you can't find help in #ubuntu, try a ubuntu mailing list or a webforum or some such |
| 15:53.39 | whochismo | i can ping the computer's name from another linux machine, but not from a windows one |
| 15:53.41 | chops | whochismo: Does 'nmblookup' work? Can you resolve names of Windows machines from the Debian machine? |
| 15:53.42 | dkr | chops: well, I don't even know if it's a bug or just something screwy I did yet. not sure how to tell, though, either, which is why i am asking. :) |
| 15:53.50 | stew | jelly: you might want to add a a -F%p |
| 15:53.58 | stew | ^a a^a |
| 15:54.17 | open_lad | stew: ok anyway thanx. |
| 15:55.07 | hark | dkr: it's been reported already and fixed in lenny/sid |
| 15:55.11 | dkr | anyone else have meed up formatting codes in man aptitude on etch? |
| 15:55.16 | whochismo | chops: nmblookup says: "name_query failed to find name box" |
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| 15:55.26 | dkr | hark: ah, so it was just an actual bug in the man page. thanks |
| 15:55.54 | chops | whochismo: There's your problem then -- figure out what's wrong with your configuration that's making nmblookup not work, and the Windows machines will in all likelihood start working |
| 15:56.15 | whochismo | do you know which configuration file is related to nmblookup? |
| 15:56.15 | SamuraiDio | may i use compiz-fusion-plugin from debian sid on debian lenny? or is it better to update all to sid? |
| 15:56.22 | hark | dkr: bugs.debian.org/438725 |
| 15:56.22 | whochismo | because i'm sure it's not because the smb.conf file |
| 15:56.38 | gamag | thank you everyone. i have got reply from ##linux regarding lkml mailing list and I have subscribed. thanks. :-) |
| 15:56.39 | K|NgGh0sT | Anyone know of a place to get XFS specific help? #xfs has been dead for 14 hrs... |
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| 15:57.18 | trombo | azeem: I am not sure if was maintainer wisdom or problem of chroot environment. - (; I tried hard quiet a while, and would be glad if you could give me a hint. |
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| 15:58.10 | azeem | trombo: why do you think a chroot is involved? Did you set that up yourself? |
| 15:58.10 | |fluxdude| | got debian sid, after updating the system, glibc I believe update and then every program started segfaulting, have not been able to boot up am now in chroot of the system and everything segfaults so I'm not sure how I can recover this. |
| 15:58.13 | |fluxdude| | any ideas? |
| 15:58.26 | root | how to know the device name of my DVD burner ? I saw something in dmesg but I'm not sure... |
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| 15:59.32 | trombo | azeem: in any case, yes |
| 15:59.38 | _Krieger_ | how to _hide_ boot-time reports like "ignoring pci display device 00:01.1", "FATAL: Module ehci_hcd not found."? |
| 15:59.53 | azeem | trombo: I'm not quite sure what you're getting at |
| 15:59.59 | azeem | trombo: are you asking how to configure exim4? |
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| 16:01.08 | trombo | azeem: yes |
| 16:01.22 | azeem | hrm, that wasn't very obvious |
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| 16:01.29 | azeem | trombo: dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config |
| 16:01.47 | trombo | azeem: did this a lot of times... |
| 16:01.51 | dkr | cd /usr/share/man/man8 ; gunzip aptitude.8.gz ; perl -pi -e's/\\ef/\\f/g' aptitude.8 #fixes aptitude man page |
| 16:01.52 | azeem | so? |
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| 16:02.48 | trombo | azeem: put internet and so on |
| 16:03.02 | trombo | and got the same result a few times |
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| 16:04.08 | S4nD3r | Hey.... |
| 16:04.15 | S4nD3r | mount: /dev/hdb1: can't read superblock - What is this error? |
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| 16:05.06 | S4nD3r | I lost my hd ? |
| 16:05.10 | hoxu | S4nD3r, first sign of a toasted partition? |
| 16:05.21 | S4nD3r | oh.... |
| 16:05.25 | SamuraiDio | dkr, may that be a module error? of some sata module thats not loading at boot? |
| 16:05.47 | S4nD3r | I will try to reboot PC |
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| 16:05.49 | hoxu | S4nD3r, did you mess with partitions recently or is there anything in syslog? |
| 16:06.21 | zeier | When I plug-in my webcam on boottime, linux tries to use it's audio interface as primary sound device. How may I change this? |
| 16:06.57 | S4nD3r | really no |
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| 16:07.26 | dkr | SamuraiDio: maybe your grub device.map means it is using different drive letters than your system is trying to mount it as? i.e. sda vs sdb or the like |
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| 16:08.06 | dkr | hrm, that wouldn't explain it happening intermittently, though |
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| 16:09.47 | asn | Anyone who can give me a direct link to the usbnet module? (The zip that contains the 4 .o files) I found it yesterday and I can't find it now. I'm searching for like 30 minutes. |
| 16:09.52 | whochismo | chops: I have the nmbd service running, and I can't figure out why it isn't running |
| 16:10.06 | whochismo | do you know any other commands to test it? |
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| 16:10.22 | whochismo | nmblookup only resolves the name from the local machine |
| 16:10.35 | whochismo | (when connected through ssh) |
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| 16:13.30 | gileswwwrk | heya deb heads |
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| 16:13.51 | whochismo | anybody? |
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| 16:14.24 | dkr | asn: shouldn't that be included when you install kernel package? |
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| 16:14.57 | dkr | on my etch system: dpkg -S /lib/modules/2.6.18-5-686/kernel/drivers/usb/net/usbnet.ko |
| 16:14.57 | dkr | linux-image-2.6.18-5-686 |
| 16:15.05 | stew | dkr: he's not running debian, he's trying to install it via an unofficial installer |
| 16:15.13 | asn | stew: Ha! |
| 16:15.24 | kombi | something I havn't had for quite some time: "opendir (530 Unkown error 530)" when I try to do apt-anything |
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| 16:15.43 | asn | I found that cute little .zip yesterday, and I really can't find it anywhere today. |
| 16:15.50 | kombi | started after a -reconfigure didn't go through |
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| 16:16.05 | kombi | what must I do / not do? |
| 16:16.18 | dkr | asn: look through your browser history? ;) |
| 16:16.28 | asn | dkr: I was not on my PC when I found it. |
| 16:16.31 | stew | asn: what exact kernel version is the installer using? |
| 16:16.39 | harpal | I have installed dnsmasq as dhcp server. not I want some login information like whome dnsmasq has assigned ip. So how can I do that? |
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| 16:17.21 | jelly | can growisofs burn an ready-made image dumped to it from stdin? |
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| 16:17.36 | TTimo | hello |
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| 16:18.03 | TTimo | is there an easy way I can check if a package is installed from the shell ? |
| 16:18.21 | asn | stew: No idea. But it doesn't come with usb-storage/usbnet. |
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| 16:18.40 | asn | stew: The whole directory that the installer sets up, is 5MB. |
| 16:18.55 | asn | The kernel is 1.3MB :) |
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| 16:19.21 | stew | asn: well unless you tell us what exact kernel version, there is no way that we'd be able to give you a pointer to a usbnet module for that version |
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| 16:19.59 | kombi | Unable to read /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/ <- says apt-get update, what might it be? |
| 16:20.19 | stew | kombi: what does "ls -ld /etc/apt/apt.conf.d"return? |
| 16:20.46 | kombi | 755 |
| 16:21.37 | stew | kombi: and what about the files in that directory? |
| 16:21.47 | kombi | stew: but get this: ls -l /etc/apt/ says "Unknown error 530" |
| 16:22.10 | stew | kombi: have you fscked? |
| 16:22.16 | asn | stew: the directory from which it gets the linux and initrd.gz files is here: http://people.debian.org/~joeyh/d-i/images/daily/netboot/debian-installer/i386/ Wanna check it out? |
| 16:22.24 | kombi | I should, shouldn't I.. |
| 16:22.31 | SamuraiDio | dkr, its strange that sometimes it works fine, but in other cases grub start booting the kernel, and then i have the message that /dev/sda1 does not exist (but is where the kernel is) |
| 16:22.56 | _Sam-- | my etch machine was hung , not crashed, but was hung -- couldnt access via ssh, nothing repsonding (its remote to me). the last thing it left in my remote syslog was: Dec 6 10:59:58 phone pam_limits[17686]: setrlimit limit #7 to soft=4096, hard=-1 failed: Operation not permitted; uid=0 euid=0....any ideas? |
| 16:23.00 | stew | kombi: what is ther permissions of /etc/apt ? |
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| 16:23.35 | kombi | stew: I get error 530 on every ls command.. |
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| 16:23.39 | carlos_ | hi |
| 16:23.46 | kombi | trouble... |
| 16:24.08 | kombi | can't fsck on a mounted partition, can't unmount it on a vps.. |
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| 16:24.53 | stew | asn: the modules you need are in a udeb named nic-usb-modules-2.6.22-3-486-di |
| 16:25.28 | carlos_ | is it possible to add a network route for each user? |
| 16:25.37 | stew | asn: and the usb-storage is probably in usb-modules-2.6.22-3-486-di |
| 16:26.44 | asn | stew: what is a udeb? |
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| 16:29.12 | stew | !udeb |
| 16:29.12 | dpkg | udebs are microdebs, "regular debian packages that are not policy compliant. They are used by the new debian-installer project, to build up the actual system that then installs debian." -- thus spake Joey Hess, the great debian genius |
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| 16:30.09 | asn | stew: and what should I do with that little cute .udeb? Put it in the directory /lib/modules/drivers/usb/usb-core/ in my initrd directory? |
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| 16:31.14 | stew | asn: i don't know. i don't know how the installer you are using works. they wouldn't go into the udeb, the would be installed after booting the linux kernel |
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| 16:33.08 | _Krieger_ | how to _hide_ boot-time reports like "ignoring pci display device 00:01.1", "FATAL: Module ehci_hcd not found."? |
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| 16:36.21 | dkr | modify logging daemons conf to not log to console? |
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| 16:37.00 | _Krieger_ | is /etc/default/rc related to my question? |
| 16:37.02 | stew | _Krieger_: you can put all the boottime messages to /dev/tty2 with CONSOLE=/dev/tty2 |
| 16:37.22 | _Krieger_ | no, it does not suit |
| 16:37.57 | _Krieger_ | anyway say where exactly you advise to write that redirection |
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| 16:38.35 | amolv | hi to all i have created customized debian cd for server but wha i edited in tasksel packages that tasks are only showing at time of installation but not packages are getting installed |
| 16:39.07 | amolv | can any body help me? |
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| 16:40.04 | stew | _Krieger_: its a kernel command line parameter |
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| 16:43.29 | amolv | how to customize tasksel? |
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| 16:46.56 | amolv | hi to all tasksel is not working properly....at time of installation of operating system? |
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| 16:47.49 | Caemyr | hiya |
| 16:48.15 | stew | amolv: try #debian-boot on irc.debian.org |
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| 16:54.08 | neo2dot0 | I am trying to install the latest lenny via netinst-cd. At Software selection, it hangs. What can I do? |
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| 16:57.21 | SexyKen | aptitude: douche? |
| 16:57.23 | aptitude | rumour has it, douche is someone who needs to relax |
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| 16:58.11 | mindshift | is debian bloated? |
| 16:58.23 | abrotman | is linux? |
| 16:58.23 | SexyKen | Debian is what you make it. |
| 16:58.25 | stew | mindshift: in what way? |
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| 16:59.05 | mindshift | old heritage stuff, like programs, script, files that isn't necessary to have |
| 16:59.16 | mindshift | in the core |
| 16:59.24 | SexyKen | Why would it be? |
| 16:59.34 | mindshift | because it's old |
| 16:59.39 | SexyKen | Etch is old? |
| 16:59.48 | SexyKen | Linux is old. |
| 17:00.03 | mindshift | nah the whole thing is old, old stuff lying around |
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| 17:00.12 | mindshift | if* |
| 17:00.31 | mindshift | the package manager |
| 17:00.44 | mindshift | is there like 19 different ways you can install a package? |
| 17:00.57 | SexyKen | uhm |
| 17:01.04 | SexyKen | apt-get or download a .deb and dpkg -i |
| 17:01.15 | SexyKen | or compile your own shit |
| 17:01.16 | mindshift | aptitude? |
| 17:01.23 | SexyKen | aptitude: apt-get |
| 17:01.24 | aptitude | from memory, apt-get is "apt-get install synaptic" for gui "apt-get install aptitude" for curses or just use apt-get command line. apt-get is a program part of the apt package used as a simple command line tool to libapt. apt-get is the most used front-end for apt. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/apt-howto/ see also <apt> <apt-cache> <synaptic> <aptitude>, or unsoftware |
| 17:01.45 | mindshift | synaptics? |
| 17:01.54 | mindshift | 4 different ways |
| 17:02.04 | SexyKen | What are the 4 ways? |
| 17:02.12 | mindshift | 4 different ways to install stuff |
| 17:02.12 | chops | mindshift: If you don't like having different options for how to do something, Debian is likely not for you. |
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| 17:02.25 | mindshift | apt-get dpkg aptitude, synaptics |
| 17:02.30 | mindshift | that's bloat |
| 17:02.31 | SexyKen | aptitude is apt-get |
| 17:02.35 | SexyKen | what the fuck? |
| 17:02.40 | chops | !start a distro war |
| 17:02.40 | dpkg | Ubuntu is an ancient African word meaning 'I can't configure Debian'. |
| 17:02.42 | SexyKen | Did you come here to troll? |
| 17:02.50 | Yarou | lul |
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| 17:03.00 | abrotman | mindshift: do you have a support question? |
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| 17:03.02 | SexyKen | Go get DSL if youw ant |
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| 17:03.24 | mindshift | well not really, I'm just looking for a slimmed down core with a straight forward installation, and with a big repos |
| 17:03.29 | SexyKen | Or build your own -- but personally, I thank the team of contributers for debian :-) It's the best distro out there. |
| 17:03.38 | abrotman | mindshift: so use etch .. what's the problem? |
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| 17:03.40 | SexyKen | Why do you want a big repo? So you can bloat it? |
| 17:03.41 | mindshift | straight forward package manager |
| 17:03.45 | abrotman | so use aptitude |
| 17:03.58 | mindshift | nah, so I don't have to compile stuff myself |
| 17:04.04 | abrotman | you don't .. |
| 17:04.25 | mindshift | but 4 different ways to install a program, that's what I mean with hold heritage. |
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| 17:04.40 | Yarou | i run tops |
| 17:04.42 | DawnLight | if i wanted make a box with several pci NICs act like a hub, should i use the bridge-utils for this? |
| 17:04.51 | abrotman | mindshift: you only have to use one .. |
| 17:05.00 | SexyKen | There are 3 ways to use the package manager. A) apt-get (which fetches packages) B) dpkg (which installs local packages you point it to) C) sources |
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| 17:05.19 | mindshift | lie |
| 17:05.19 | SexyKen | apt-get uses dpkg once it fetches the package, I believe |
| 17:05.22 | abrotman | wtf |
| 17:05.28 | mindshift | that's not the point |
| 17:05.38 | SexyKen | uh-oh abrotman disagrees i think |
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| 17:05.43 | abrotman | so you're making it harder on yourself .. and you want to blame debian? |
| 17:05.49 | mindshift | you stull got aptitude and synaptics |
| 17:05.54 | SexyKen | You idiot |
| 17:05.56 | SexyKen | Learn to read |
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| 17:05.57 | abrotman | so don't use synaptic |
| 17:05.59 | mindshift | I want someone to rewrite debian |
| 17:06.01 | chops | mindshift: You forgot fetching and rebuilding sources, unpacking and running the install scripts by hand... 6 ways... |
| 17:06.03 | SexyKen | Re read that |
| 17:06.04 | abrotman | fuck it |
| 17:06.06 | SexyKen | apt-get install synaptics |
| 17:06.11 | SexyKen | synaptics is a package dumb shit |
| 17:06.14 | mindshift | yeah, 6 ways |
| 17:06.15 | SexyKen | Not a package manager |
| 17:06.17 | Ronin | mindshift: they did its called ubuntu |
| 17:06.26 | abrotman | mindshift: please go play elsewhere |
| 17:06.31 | mindshift | :D |
| 17:06.44 | SexyKen | P.S. - SMFD, Love Ken |
| 17:06.45 | stew | mindshift: if you want to write an alternate installer, feel free |
| 17:06.46 | abrotman | mindshift: perhaps you should actually install debian .. then come back with questions |
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| 17:07.14 | SexyKen | Or -- stick with Windows. muhahahaha. |
| 17:07.21 | mindshift | but I can't stand the fact that there is 6 ways to install stuff in debian |
| 17:07.31 | Eulex | why? |
| 17:07.39 | Ronin | mindshift: so use one then |
| 17:07.44 | stew | mindshift: which do you want to use? just apt-get? |
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| 17:07.50 | abrotman | mindshift: we've told you to only use one .. it's pretty easy |
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| 17:08.03 | abrotman | mindshift: FYI .. there is more than one way to install things in RPM-based distros |
| 17:08.15 | SexyKen | aptitude: mindshift |
| 17:08.16 | aptitude | hmm... mindshift is some guy who is really confused about life and his choices with linux |
| 17:08.40 | abrotman | SexyKen: don't do that |
| 17:08.42 | Eulex | SexyKen, emh, please do not abuse the bot |
| 17:08.49 | Eulex | aptitude, forget mindshift |
| 17:08.50 | aptitude | Eulex: i didn't have anything called 'mindshift' to forget |
| 17:08.55 | abrotman | i got it |
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| 17:09.11 | kombi | hrmpf, it did it again.. when trying to update glibc dpkg thows error 3 and the file system is f**d.. |
| 17:09.16 | superpigs | how do i find where the c kernel header is installed? |
| 17:09.41 | chops | mindshift: There's also downloading the upstream .tar.gz and installing in /usr/local, or downloading a redhat RPM and using alien, or using tasksel. 9 ways. |
| 17:09.48 | kombi | have they screwed up that boy badly or am I missing something? |
| 17:09.49 | stew | superpigs: /lib/modules/$(uname -r)/build |
| 17:10.18 | superpigs | stew it says file/directory does not exist |
| 17:10.25 | azeem | superpigs: then it's not installed |
| 17:10.27 | mindshift | just centralize the thing |
| 17:10.30 | mindshift | have to go |
| 17:10.36 | azeem | superpigs: didn't we have this discussion before? |
| 17:10.40 | mindshift | hope you guys will miss me |
| 17:10.47 | superpigs | azeem hmm strange i did find the package for the kernel verion i have |
| 17:10.49 | chops | superpigs: You were in here hours ago, and we told you to read the docs and install the appropriate linux-headers package. |
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| 17:10.53 | superpigs | and i did install it |
| 17:11.08 | stew | superpigs: what does "uname -r" say? |
| 17:11.19 | chops | superpigs: What package exactly did you install? |
| 17:11.28 | kombi | any known issues with upgrading glibc? I have reinstalled this vps and it failed again.. |
| 17:11.30 | superpigs | 2.6.18-5-686 <- uname -r |
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| 17:11.53 | stew | superpigs: what version does "apt-cache pollicy linux-headers-$(uname -r)" report for "Installed:" ? |
| 17:11.55 | azeem | superpigs: the kernel headers are in a seperate package |
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| 17:13.10 | superpigs | stew policy with one l worked |
| 17:13.25 | superpigs | linux-headers-2.6.18-5-686: |
| 17:13.26 | superpigs | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:13.26 | superpigs | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:13.26 | superpigs | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:13.26 | superpigs | <PROTECTED> |
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| 17:13.44 | stew | !tell superpigs about paste |
| 17:13.45 | superpigs | sorrry for that |
| 17:14.04 | stew | superpigs: you still havent installed "linux-headers-$(uname -r)" |
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| 17:14.20 | superpigs | stew ok its still not installed |
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| 17:15.06 | stew | superpigs: once it is installed, your kernel keaders will be in /lib/modules/$(uname -r)/build |
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| 17:15.17 | superpigs | stew ok |
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| 17:15.56 | elmo40 | superpigs: back in here again? what is it this time? |
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| 17:16.41 | superpigs | you know what you guys cant help with anything. i know someone else that code for slack. ill just wait till he is on. ceu |
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| 17:17.15 | CobaltUser | Anyone familiar with cross-over networking, or loading Qube2s? :P |
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| 17:17.48 | wols_ | !Anyone |
| 17:17.48 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone uses <someprogram>. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use <someprogram>?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls> |
| 17:18.30 | elmo40 | wols_: always the smart a$$, eh? :P This room would be so quiet withought you. |
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| 17:19.24 | themill | CobaltUser: please ask your real question and then we'll see if anyone knows enough to help. |
| 17:19.27 | CobaltUser | sorry :P I've got a machine with 2 NIC, and a Qube2 cross-overed into one of the nics. I can ping the address of both nics, and for a brief while, ping the address of the Qube while it 'net booting', but I'm stuck there |
| 17:20.03 | RudyValencia | Hello, I'm setting up a server using Debian, and I want to know, should I use LVM or regular MBR-style partitioning? |
| 17:20.05 | CobaltUser | It returns 'destination host unreachable' when it's 'starting up', it appears to load the /nfsroot, etc, but that's it |
| 17:20.15 | felix_da_catz | so how do I add a service to the default run level in debian? |
| 17:20.30 | wols_ | CobaltUser: run a DHCP server maybe so the qube can get an IP? |
| 17:20.40 | felix_da_catz | RudyValencia: Depends on how complex your partition scheme is really. |
| 17:20.51 | wols_ | !runlevel |
| 17:20.52 | dpkg | 0 is halt, 1 is single user, 2, 3, 4, 5 are multiuser, 6 is reboot. By default 2, 3, 4 and 5 are identical (no graphic/non-graphic runlevels), but you can configure this if you wish. Read /usr/share/doc/sysvinit/*; read /etc/init.d/README; man update-rc.d; if that doesn't make sense, consider installing rcconf or file-rc instead. |
| 17:21.15 | RudyValencia | What are the practical benefits to LVM? Also, are there any downsides? |
| 17:21.21 | CobaltUser | Already have, that's how I can ping the ip briefly. Not sure what the hiccup is. Have tried using a hub, too. |
| 17:21.24 | RudyValencia | !lvm |
| 17:21.24 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, lvm is at http://dev.riseup.net/grimoire/storage/lvm2/, Logical Volume Manager for Linux, or ask me about <lvm_tutorial>, or extremely sexy. almost as sexy as Theo |
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| 17:21.49 | wols_ | CobaltUser: can you use a serial console on the qube? |
| 17:22.26 | CobaltUser | I can try again, but hyperterminal was locking up |
| 17:22.46 | RudyValencia | I'm just doing 1 ext3 (/) partition and 1 swap partition. |
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| 17:23.02 | RudyValencia | I probably can keep using MBR partitioning. |
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| 17:23.08 | SpeedyG | hi RudyValencia :) |
| 17:23.15 | RudyValencia | Hey SpeedyG. |
| 17:23.29 | SamuraiDio | could someone say what this means: "I fixed this myself by adding mptbase and mptscsih to /etc/mkinitramfs/modules and then running 'sudo mkinitramfs -o /boot/initrd.img-2.6.12-6-386.new /lib/modules/2.6.12-6-386'" ? |
| 17:24.05 | SamuraiDio | what are the mpt* modules? |
| 17:24.11 | wols_ | SamuraiDio: it means someone fixed whateevr by adding a few things to his initrd |
| 17:24.44 | wols_ | SamuraiDio: drivers for a diskcontroller,scsi+fibrechannel |
| 17:24.51 | felix_da_catz | RudyValencia: I would keep using it. LVM is more in my opinion for setting up software raid configurations. Although it can be used for other things as well obviously. |
| 17:25.00 | RudyValencia | Ah. |
| 17:25.06 | wols_ | !lvm |
| 17:25.06 | dpkg | lvm is, like, at http://dev.riseup.net/grimoire/storage/lvm2/, Logical Volume Manager for Linux, or ask me about <lvm_tutorial>, or extremely sexy. almost as sexy as Theo |
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| 17:25.30 | RudyValencia | I'm not into RAID much. |
| 17:25.45 | infinity0 | when i do gnome-terminal --working-directory=/path/to/a/symlink, the new terminal opens with the symlink TARGET as the working directory, instead of the symlink |
| 17:25.47 | felix_da_catz | Well, it is nice to have, but not a necessity. |
| 17:25.51 | RudyValencia | Especially because my server only has space for one IDE drive. |
| 17:25.52 | infinity0 | is there a way around this or is this a bug? |
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| 17:26.26 | azeem | in |
| 17:26.28 | azeem | eh |
| 17:26.33 | azeem | infinity0: neither, I guess |
| 17:26.42 | felix_da_catz | RudyValencia: Well, that sucks, but that is a good reason. |
| 17:26.46 | infinity0 | why neither? |
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| 17:27.32 | SamuraiDio | wols_, is this some generic driver os a vendor? |
| 17:27.42 | RudyValencia | felix_da_catz: My server is a PIII 1GHz (Slot 1) with 384MB RAM, an 80GB hard drive, and a DVD-ROM drive. |
| 17:27.58 | RudyValencia | (IBM PC 300PL) |
| 17:28.06 | SamuraiDio | wols_, i'm having problems with a sata hard disc, sometimes it doesn't recognizes the disc after loading the kernel. |
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| 17:31.51 | infinity0 | azeem: could you clarify? |
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| 17:32.36 | azeem | infinity0: I don't there is an option to not dereference the symlink (though I might be mistaken here), and I don't think it's a bug either |
| 17:32.53 | infinity0 | but it doesn't do what i want it to do :/ |
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| 17:33.44 | azeem | well, does xterm show different behaviour? |
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| 17:35.24 | Diamond | Evening |
| 17:35.25 | Diamond | :) |
| 17:36.49 | GhostlyDeath | !test |
| 17:36.49 | dpkg | Test Failed. |
| 17:36.53 | GhostlyDeath | :( |
| 17:37.07 | GhostlyDeath | !tell GhostDeath about hibernate |
| 17:37.10 | wols_ | SamuraiDio: /lib/modules/2.6.18-4-k7/kernel/drivers/message/fusion/mptbase.ko |
| 17:37.16 | GhostlyDeath | !tell GhostDeath about hibernation |
| 17:37.18 | Slap_stick | hey does anyone know of a way to basically organise SSH sessions in gnome / terminal i.e. group them for easy access i know you can do it in fluxbox |
| 17:37.23 | Diamond | can someone help true the partioning |
| 17:37.25 | GhostlyDeath | You suck dpkg |
| 17:37.28 | Diamond | of my server |
| 17:37.34 | GhostlyDeath | !tell GhostDeath about suspend2 |
| 17:38.37 | GhostlyDeath | Diamond: "true the partioning"? |
| 17:38.48 | infinity0 | azeem: i don't know what the analog optino for xterm is :/ but when i cd to the symlink and then xterm, it stays on the symlink |
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| 17:39.46 | jelly | !tell GhostlyDeath -about selftell |
| 17:40.07 | RudyValencia | Is there a site like Ubuntu Guide for Debian users? |
| 17:40.21 | Diamond | i can choose between "use entire disk / and set up LVM / and set up encrypted LVM |
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| 17:40.38 | azeem | infinity0: and gnome-terminal does not? |
| 17:40.46 | GhostlyDeath | Diamond: You are having it automatically set it up? |
| 17:40.46 | Diamond | which one do you guys think its appropiate |
| 17:41.16 | Diamond | its a server ghost_ad1f |
| 17:41.20 | Diamond | GhostlyDeath |
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| 17:41.26 | GhostlyDeath | Diamond: it's not what we think is appropiate, it's what you think |
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| 17:41.33 | Diamond | yes |
| 17:41.39 | SamuraiDio | wols_, whats that? |
| 17:41.49 | azeem | Diamond: you should not run a server if you do not know how to partition it |
| 17:41.56 | Diamond | but i don't know the meanings of LVM and encrypted LVM |
| 17:42.08 | GhostlyDeath | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LVM |
| 17:42.18 | RudyValencia | !guides |
| 17:42.22 | RudyValencia | hm |
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| 17:43.26 | Diamond | azeem : i know how to partition |
| 17:43.35 | Diamond | but learning a bit with linux |
| 17:43.40 | Diamond | its diffrent though |
| 17:43.41 | Diamond | ;( |
| 17:43.42 | Diamond | ;) |
| 17:43.57 | GhostlyDeath | Diamond: LVM is for stuff like RAID |
| 17:43.58 | Diamond | what means |
| 17:44.01 | Diamond | okay. |
| 17:44.04 | Diamond | not needed |
| 17:44.05 | Diamond | thank |
| 17:44.05 | Diamond | s |
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| 17:44.10 | GhostlyDeath | Diamond: and encryption is for encryption |
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| 17:44.19 | Diamond | yes |
| 17:44.21 | Diamond | :) |
| 17:44.26 | Diamond | next on |
| 17:44.31 | infinity0 | azeem: yeah i was trying that. i've gotten round that problem, i think, thanks |
| 17:44.43 | Diamond | should i sepperate everything ? |
| 17:44.46 | Diamond | cuz |
| 17:44.49 | Diamond | i got alot of users |
| 17:44.52 | Diamond | running |
| 17:45.01 | Diamond | 3 options |
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| 17:45.32 | Diamond | i know. thanks |
| 17:45.33 | Diamond | :) |
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| 17:49.06 | justs0me | what file does the grub look at ? |
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| 17:49.25 | azeem | justs0me: during bootup? |
| 17:49.25 | wols_ | look at for what? |
| 17:49.32 | infinity0 | azeem: there's definitely a bug, it sometimes works and sometimes doesn't depending on which other terminal windows i have open :| |
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| 17:49.40 | justs0me | oh nvm |
| 17:49.41 | justs0me | sorry |
| 17:49.58 | azeem | infinity0: *shrug* |
| 17:51.14 | GhostlyDeath | hmm, where would I find the option to force hibernation? |
| 17:51.37 | infinity0 | blaah *goes off bug-reporting* |
| 17:51.47 | neo2dot0 | i have just migrated from ubuntu. There are many useless menu items in the menu now because I kept the /home partition, and I'd like the desktop as default as possible. What do I have to delete? |
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| 17:52.55 | GhostlyDeath | You can migrate from other distros? |
| 17:53.18 | h3sp4wn | You can keep /home |
| 17:53.26 | h3sp4wn | (if its another partition) |
| 17:53.47 | neo2dot0 | h3sp4wn: yeah, that's what I did. |
| 17:53.58 | themill | neo2dot0: ~/.local contains your personalised entries in .desktop files. |
| 17:54.07 | justs0me | azeem: yea, though i found it, i was looking for a grub.conf file |
| 17:54.31 | neo2dot0 | themill: ok, I'll start with that. |
| 17:54.43 | azeem | justs0me: it's /boot/grub/menu.lst |
| 17:54.58 | themill | neo2dot0: have fun :) |
| 17:55.10 | justs0me | azeem: yea i found it, thanks, not yet used to that name |
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| 17:56.28 | abulu | hi!! |
| 17:56.55 | mbroeker | hi abulu! |
| 17:57.00 | abulu | some one could say what file r in place of modules.conf or modprobe.conf n debian 4.0? |
| 17:57.08 | abulu | mbroeker, hi! |
| 17:57.11 | justs0me | does etch come with MP3 support or do i need ot get it from a third party? |
| 17:58.15 | stew | justs0me: debian includes software for decoding mp3s but not for encoding |
| 17:58.15 | pike_ | nonfree repo is easiest |
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| 17:58.58 | mbroeker | abulu, you can create ordinary files in /etc/modprobe.d/ |
| 17:59.15 | abulu | mbroeker, ok, thanks1 |
| 17:59.17 | abulu | ! |
| 17:59.17 | stew | abulu: man modprobe.conf |
| 17:59.21 | h3sp4wn | justs0me: You can get the fluendo one for free (as in beer) and licensed if you care about such thing |
| 17:59.29 | justs0me | stew: sorry umm what would be the difference, decoding allows me to play the file while encodin allows me to create an mp3? |
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| 17:59.37 | Axioplase | Hi |
| 17:59.39 | stew | justs0me: yes |
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| 17:59.46 | justs0me | stew: k thanks |
| 18:00.03 | Axioplase | Is it possible to use mqke-kpkg from a rescue disk ? it keeps complaining about kimagedest not being defined... |
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| 18:00.27 | DawnLight | does anyone know what the bridge_maxwait option exists for? |
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| 18:00.53 | justs0me | h3sp4wn: oh were would i find this ? |
| 18:01.45 | grendal_prime | im trying to mount a iso i created with dd... im using the following sytnax. mount -t ext3 -o loop production2.3.1.img /mnt/dom/ but i get the following error from dmesg. VFS: Can't find ext3 filesystem on dev loop0. |
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| 18:02.06 | wols_ | grendal_prime: since when is an iso of filesystem type ext3? |
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| 18:02.09 | abrotman | -t auto |
| 18:02.12 | h3sp4wn | justs0me: fluendo.com - you have to use gstreamer |
| 18:02.12 | abrotman | likely iso9660 |
| 18:02.19 | justs0me | h3sp4wn: oh ok |
| 18:02.20 | Caemyr | or UDF |
| 18:02.29 | grendal_prime | sorry its an image i wrote with dd |
| 18:02.43 | grendal_prime | from a disk on module |
| 18:03.02 | wols_ | grendal_prime: use -t auto as abrotman said |
| 18:03.12 | grendal_prime | when i try and mount it without the ....ok ill try that |
| 18:03.15 | wols_ | grendal_prime: how exactly did you write it? |
| 18:03.42 | justs0me | umm in new to debian, where can i find nvidia drivers? |
| 18:03.51 | wols_ | !tell justs0me about nvidia |
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| 18:04.19 | grendal_prime | with the auto i still get mount: you must specify the filesystem type |
| 18:04.26 | justs0me | wols_: thanks |
| 18:04.38 | wols_ | grendal_prime: run file on it then |
| 18:04.50 | grendal_prime | ? |
| 18:04.52 | wols_ | grendal_prime: or finally answer my question |
| 18:05.01 | grendal_prime | which one.damn |
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| 18:05.17 | wols_ | the one that ends with a question mark? |
| 18:05.56 | grendal_prime | as far as how i made it...dd -if "filename" -of "filename" |
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| 18:06.13 | grendal_prime | as far as how i made it...dd -if "devicename" -of "filename" |
| 18:06.22 | cloakable | :/ |
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| 18:06.50 | wols_ | grendal_prime: you didn't since "devicename" is not valid. what device and what filesystm is this? |
| 18:06.54 | cloakable | Shouldn't it be dd if=/dev/<devicename> of=<filename> |
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| 18:07.51 | mbroeker | The todays upgrade process(48 debs) failed for libc6 with dpkg segfaulting all the time and i need to manually remove libc6-i686 to repair my system. |
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| 18:07.59 | expose | hi |
| 18:07.59 | ilikec0ws | To do a minimal install of debian is it just the first cd i need? or am i best just using the net install? |
| 18:08.16 | solemnwarning | How can I prevent /etc/init.d/nis from starting ypbind? |
| 18:08.20 | dkr | ilikec0ws: best to use netinst |
| 18:08.22 | expose | Which package contains the kontact plugin needed to sync with another kontact running on a different machine? |
| 18:08.27 | ilikec0ws | dkr: Thanks :) |
| 18:08.31 | azeem | expose: you sure there is one? |
| 18:08.34 | solemnwarning | Setting NISCLIENT to false in /etc/default/nis doesn't work |
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| 18:08.36 | grendal_prime | cloakable: yes thats how it is... |
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| 18:08.58 | grendal_prime | wols_: its an ext3 file type |
| 18:08.59 | expose | azeem: i'm sure such a plugin exists in suse, therefore i doubt debian doesnt have it. |
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| 18:09.11 | Haris | Hello guys |
| 18:09.13 | expose | azeem: and aptitude install kontact doesnt include it, so... |
| 18:09.17 | Haris | How can one flush dns cache on etch? |
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| 18:09.50 | wols_ | expose: how is it called on suse? |
| 18:09.53 | azeem | expose: checked its Suggests etc.? |
| 18:10.33 | justs0me | im runing KDE on etch where can i find the gnome debian wallpaper that was defualt at install? |
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| 18:10.41 | sabarish | hi all. If i change the hostname of a server, should I add the corresponding entry in the /etc/hosts in the same line as "127.0.0.1 local...." or should be a seperate line (like '192.168.0.23 myserver myserver.ve...') ? |
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| 18:11.23 | expose | wols_: no idea, i cannot access the administrational information on that suse box. (a university terminal-server) |
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| 18:12.39 | cmdln | afternoon |
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| 18:13.02 | expose | azeem: yes. |
| 18:13.11 | cmdln | Im trying to pin git related packages to etch-backports, it does not seem to work with Package: git* |
| 18:13.19 | cmdln | Do I have to specify each package? |
| 18:13.30 | cmdln | or should that glob work? |
| 18:13.33 | kshah | what is the allow-hotplug option? will having it prevent me from setting static ip? |
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| 18:13.50 | mbroeker | expose, try kdepim-kio-plugins |
| 18:14.19 | expose | mbroeker: installed yet |
| 18:15.01 | wols_ | expose: you cannont run rpm -qa? |
| 18:15.39 | wols_ | kshah: some network cards are not always available. e.g. pcmcia cards or usb ones |
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| 18:16.15 | kshah | wols_: on ifup eth0 I'm getting 'misplaced option' |
| 18:16.29 | kshah | nevermind |
| 18:16.34 | kshah | there was a line at the top which wasn't commented |
| 18:17.05 | expose | wols_: alright, i can. it's likely included in "kdepim3-sync-3.4.2-18" |
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| 18:18.20 | expose | this feature shows up in the "Sync" section of kontact. that section is missing atm as well |
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| 18:19.36 | justs0me | im runing KDE on etch where can i find the gnome debian wallpaper that was default at install? (the one with the redish swirl) |
| 18:20.11 | GhostlyDeath | Wasn't it light blue with a lighter blue swirl? |
| 18:21.03 | justs0me | they have that one to, but im tired of blue |
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| 18:21.25 | justs0me | that one that was defualt for me was the reddish one |
| 18:21.50 | wols_ | expose: now check what (binaries?) are in that rpm and see if the same binaries are in debian |
| 18:22.15 | wols_ | and if so in which package |
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| 18:23.47 | expose | wols_: well...how can i find out which ones are the binaries (rather, libraries) that form this kontactplugin? |
| 18:24.36 | vonnis | what do you guys use to download on debian? |
| 18:24.58 | expose | wget |
| 18:25.12 | vonnis | wget? |
| 18:25.17 | jelly | vonnis: download what? |
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| 18:25.45 | vonnis | most of your stuff music,apps,movies |
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| 18:26.11 | dkr | apps with aptitude, media with bittornado |
| 18:26.28 | grendal_prime | damn werid power issue on my laptop |
| 18:26.41 | jelly | !polls |
| 18:26.41 | dpkg | "Does anyone have X or use Y?" is taking a poll, not asking a valid question. Don't do it or sussudio's army of militant badgers will hurt you. Also see <ask> and <bad polls> |
| 18:26.44 | expose | apps with aptitude, music and movies depending upon source and desktop (ktorrent for me), http sources with wget curl or pavuk, ftp with .... [endless list here] |
| 18:26.47 | jelly | !popcon |
| 18:26.47 | dpkg | methinks popcon is the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. do the dpkg-reconfigure popularity-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff |
| 18:26.56 | vonnis | where do you get your torrents? |
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| 18:27.36 | stew | vonnis: http://www.debian.org/CD/torrent-cd/ |
| 18:27.48 | jelly | vonnis: this is not a channel to discuss copyright violations. *cough*isohunt.com*cough* |
| 18:28.06 | stew | jelly: grr |
| 18:28.07 | jbt | eh, what's the right way to install a perl module on debian? |
| 18:28.15 | jbt | apt-get install modulename? |
| 18:28.20 | azeem | jbt: 1. look whether it's available via apt-get |
| 18:28.24 | azeem | jbt: use dh-make-perl |
| 18:28.27 | azeem | 2.* |
| 18:28.40 | stew | jbt: in general, module Foo:Bar will be named libfoo-bar-perl or libfoo-perl, look for those first |
| 18:28.41 | \amethyst | jbt: usually the name of Foo::Bar will be libfoo-bar-perl |
| 18:28.41 | wols_ | expose: plugins could be libraries too |
| 18:28.42 | vonnis | i didnt sayes anything about violations |
| 18:28.48 | \amethyst | doh :) |
| 18:28.54 | wols_ | expose: and libraries are bianries too |
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| 18:29.09 | drwahl | i have been reading about Enligthenment lately and it looks pretty neat. are there any debian packages for e17 and is there anything that i should know about it? |
| 18:29.10 | vonnis | but good i stop asking |
| 18:29.21 | jelly | vonnis: I download music from c64audio.com, or klicktrack.com lately fwiw. |
| 18:29.26 | wols_ | !e17 |
| 18:29.26 | dpkg | Don't even think about asking ljlane anything about e17 or efm. see DR17 |
| 18:29.43 | \amethyst | mp3.com was great when it was around, but now it's gone :( |
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| 18:30.27 | drwahl | wols_: thanks |
| 18:30.32 | \amethyst | I mean the original mp3.com from five or six years ago |
| 18:31.02 | kombi | where is the version string again? |
| 18:31.14 | jelly | \amethyst: I hope someone, somewhere, has a couple TB of data from there :-) |
| 18:31.14 | vonnis | i used demonoid but its down to |
| 18:31.17 | jbt | azeem: how to search via apt-get can't find any list option |
| 18:31.38 | kombi | apt-cache search |
| 18:31.44 | dkr | aptitude search :) |
| 18:32.27 | \amethyst | jelly: I heard their assets other than the domains went to a muzak company or something like that |
| 18:32.30 | azeem | jbt: /msg dpkg search |
| 18:33.17 | \amethyst | jelly: or at least the rights to the music |
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| 18:33.40 | kombi | how do I tell again which flavour I'm on? |
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| 18:34.48 | dryrot | i have turned on NAT with: # iptables -t nat -A POSTROUTING -o eth0 -j MASQUERADE# iptables -t nat -A POSTROUTING -o eth0 -j MASQUERADE ; I have stuck net.ipv4.ip_forward = 1 in /etc/sysctl.conf ; NAT is not working for me, what do i do ? |
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| 18:35.19 | \amethyst | jelly: actually, it looks like garageband got some of the music |
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| 18:35.48 | kombi | 4.0! is that stable or testing? |
| 18:35.59 | wols_ | stable |
| 18:36.06 | kombi | thx! |
| 18:36.16 | wols_ | drwahl: just install ipmasq |
| 18:36.32 | wols_ | dryrot: install ipmasq |
| 18:36.50 | \amethyst | jelly: I even bought some music (by Shawn Hargreaves, original author of the Allegro library!) from there once |
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| 18:37.28 | dryrot | wols_: ok i installed the package... now what? i'm kind of dmb |
| 18:37.28 | wols_ | !tell kombi version |
| 18:37.43 | wols_ | dryrot: you're done. ipmasq is set up now |
| 18:37.50 | dryrot | all right! |
| 18:38.04 | kombi | wols_: don't... I forget again in one minute..;) |
| 18:38.07 | chops | Is there a way to use "for" in bash on the output of "xargs -print0"? |
| 18:38.13 | jelly | \amethyst: now if only I could remember some of the artists I liked... |
| 18:38.13 | dryrot | how do i recreate my sources list in /etc/apt/sources.list ? |
| 18:38.25 | chops | Or another way to do a "for" loop that iterates over filenames containing spaces? |
| 18:38.28 | wols_ | !tell dryrot about sources.list |
| 18:38.40 | stew | chops: find | while read filename |
| 18:38.56 | stew | chops: (which breaks on files with newlines still, but handles spaces and tabs) |
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| 18:39.42 | chops | stew: Ah, excellent. If someone puts a newline in a filename, I'll just disable their account :-) |
| 18:39.45 | chops | stew: Thanks. |
| 18:39.54 | stew | chops: i believe you can also change the input field separator or input record separator or something with the IRS or IFS variable (dont' remember which) |
| 18:39.57 | jbt | geez, lotta perl out there, can anyone see if this included netaddr::ip? |
| 18:39.59 | justs0me | how do i see if a package is isntalled through the terminal ? |
| 18:40.03 | justs0me | isntalled* |
| 18:40.09 | chops | justs0me: apt-cache policy packagename |
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| 18:40.13 | wols_ | justs0me: dpkg -l |
| 18:40.34 | kombi | dpkg -l | grep [name] |
| 18:40.34 | dpkg | No packages found matching | grep [name] |
| 18:40.53 | kombi | wicked..;) |
| 18:40.59 | justs0me | ah ok |
| 18:41.04 | justs0me | whats grep stand for? |
| 18:41.06 | chops | justs0me: Or just "dpkg -l packagename" |
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| 18:41.11 | wols_ | justs0me: man grep |
| 18:41.11 | stew | jbt: libnetaddr-ip-perl |
| 18:41.14 | kombi | get regular expresion |
| 18:41.19 | kombi | ssion |
| 18:41.19 | expose | wols_: the file is libremotekonnector.so, but it isnt included in testing anymore as it seems (it's only present in (old)stable)... |
| 18:41.20 | stew | justs0me: global regular expression print |
| 18:41.27 | justs0me | ok thanks |
| 18:41.38 | wols_ | expose: sucks to be you :( |
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| 18:41.53 | stew | justs0me: which comes from the fact that typeing g<someregularexpresion>p would output matching lines in the 'ed' editor |
| 18:41.55 | kombi | stew: allright.. ! |
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| 18:42.00 | jbt | stew: cool :) what's the trick to limit the output of apt-cache search? |
| 18:42.01 | _ke | i want to set up a small webserver for a small community. therefore i need a mailserver (e.g. postfix) too. is it a bad idea to have that mailserver physically on the same server as apache? |
| 18:42.11 | wols_ | jbt: |less |
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| 18:42.22 | chops | jbt: Pipe it to less, head, or tail, depending on how you want to limit it |
| 18:42.23 | jbt | wols: i've done more |
| 18:42.30 | K|NgGh0sT | Anyone here know how to recover a XFS File system that is in a vg |
| 18:42.31 | wols_ | _ke: it's fine |
| 18:42.32 | expose | wols_: i should mail the maintainer if it's still present in recent kde sources, right? |
| 18:42.34 | jbt | but still lotta things to read |
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| 18:42.49 | wols_ | expose: use bts |
| 18:43.00 | _ke | wols_, but if someone would gain access to the server, he has access to email too? |
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| 18:43.10 | chops | _ke: In general not |
| 18:43.11 | stew | jbt: i just guess that if it were foo::bar it would be libfoo-bar-perl like i mentioned before. another good way would be to use 'apt-file search NetAddr/IP.pm' if you have installed apt-file (/msg dpkg apt-file) |
| 18:43.30 | expose | .oO(...yet another bugtracker...)= |
| 18:43.38 | justs0me | how do i install a package from terminal? |
| 18:43.41 | wols_ | _ke: depends how muhc access he gets |
| 18:43.58 | wols_ | justs0me: with aptitude |
| 18:44.01 | chops | _ke: Debian is designed under the assumption that local users are not allowed access to things they're not supposed to have access to. Email is definitely included in that. Of course, security systems do not always work perfectly. |
| 18:44.27 | jbt | stew: i'll take note that...this won't take time to learn debian once I can get a cracked vmware serial |
| 18:44.37 | stew | uhhh |
| 18:44.39 | \amethyst | justs0me: aptitude install package or aptitude to launch the full-screen text interface, find the package, press '+' on it, and 'g' twice to install |
| 18:44.41 | wols_ | justs0me: the webserver runs under www-data so if there is no priviledge escalation, the mail is safe |
| 18:44.41 | chops | _ke: It would be more secure to put them on different physical servers, but the level of security you get from putting them on the same server is pretty high already. |
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| 18:45.05 | wols_ | jbt: best stop that kinda talk in here. gets you unpopular maybe |
| 18:45.17 | justs0me | \amethyst: thanks |
| 18:45.27 | ross` | can someone tell me what the assci art program is called.. i gotfot |
| 18:45.30 | justs0me | \amethyst: what is apt-get used for ive heard it alot |
| 18:45.46 | wols_ | justs0me: apt-get was used before etch |
| 18:45.53 | justs0me | oh |
| 18:46.08 | wols_ | justs0me: it's still available and has mostly the same commandlineoptions as aptitude |
| 18:46.32 | justs0me | ok |
| 18:46.33 | _ke | chops, ok, thanks a lot for that information! another question: when setting up a mailserver, what do i have to do, to prevent that my mails are catched by a spamfilter of someone else? |
| 18:46.58 | tmv | apt-get is still enough to do everything you need. |
| 18:47.01 | wols_ | _ke: all you can do is not being ona dialup rbl |
| 18:47.17 | stew | ross`: aview? toilet? |
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| 18:47.44 | _ke | wols_, ah, so the receiving mailserver will just do a reverse dns lookup and if my server is still there, then its no problem? |
| 18:47.58 | ross` | can someone tell me what the assci art program is called.. i gotfotstew i don't think so.. |
| 18:48.00 | chops | _ke: The most important way is not to spam or allow open relaying :-). Bonus points for not being on dialup or consumer DSL, and for having working reverse DNS. |
| 18:48.01 | ross` | are there any others.. |
| 18:48.06 | ross` | i apt-got one awil back |
| 18:48.17 | ross` | im making an issue page for my server |
| 18:48.18 | dryrot | anyone wanna recommend a quick guide to getting mysql master->slave replication behind LVS going ? |
| 18:48.18 | wols_ | _ke: and if your IP isn't in a DNSRBL for some reason, yes |
| 18:48.40 | _ke | chops, wols_ thanks! you really helped me a lot! |
| 18:48.47 | stew | ross`: like you want to spell out a word in large ascii art? |
| 18:48.53 | stew | ross`: or what are you trying to do? |
| 18:48.58 | justs0me | how do i install firefox? sorry i tried aptitude install firefox and nothing |
| 18:48.59 | ross` | yea large word |
| 18:49.02 | stew | ross`: toilet |
| 18:49.03 | ross` | SERENITY to be exact |
| 18:49.07 | ross` | im making a ssh issue page |
| 18:49.14 | ross` | i think i had a different one |
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| 18:49.37 | stew | ross`: perhaps you had figlet, which isn't in debian becuase it is non-free. toilet was written as a free clone of figlet |
| 18:49.39 | chops | justs0me: aptitude install iceweasel |
| 18:49.42 | capiira_ | justs0me, firefox = iceweasel |
| 18:49.48 | ross` | ah yes ty |
| 18:49.50 | ross` | i have figlet |
| 18:49.55 | ross` | :) |
| 18:49.59 | expose | isnt there a webif to BTS?! |
| 18:50.06 | abrotman | webif? |
| 18:50.10 | chops | expose: bugs.debian.org |
| 18:50.10 | expose | i mean, for submitting new bugs. |
| 18:50.14 | stew | expose: no |
| 18:50.16 | abrotman | expose: gmail.com ? |
| 18:50.18 | expose | okay. |
| 18:50.28 | expose | abrotman: ... |
| 18:50.28 | \amethyst | ross`: aewan, cadubi, duhdraw (http://www.cs.helsinki.fi/u/penberg/duhdraw/, not in debian afaik) |
| 18:50.33 | ross` | stew: where is the font file located yo know? |
| 18:50.47 | chops | expose: reportbug works well, and can do things a web interface can't (not that that's the reason there isn't a web interface, but it's true) |
| 18:50.55 | abrotman | expose: what?! |
| 18:51.01 | justs0me | ohh |
| 18:51.04 | abrotman | expose: you can use any email client to report bugs |
| 18:51.04 | justs0me | thanks |
| 18:51.08 | \amethyst | ross`: or figlet, if big ascii-art letters is what you're after |
| 18:51.10 | stew | ross`: for figlet? no idea |
| 18:51.16 | ross` | hmmm... |
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| 18:51.58 | \amethyst | ross`: /usr/share/figlet/*.flf |
| 18:51.59 | expose | abrotman: sure, i asked for a method which doesnt incorporate sending emails. |
| 18:52.24 | ross` | thanks |
| 18:52.30 | ross` | wtf.. ugh i had it on gentoo |
| 18:52.32 | ross` | how do i get it on debian |
| 18:52.40 | ross` | ok.. |
| 18:52.41 | \amethyst | ross`: there are also figfonts and figfonts-cjk packages |
| 18:52.44 | ross` | what program shold i use then |
| 18:52.46 | stew | ross`: why would you want to use figlet instead of toilet? |
| 18:52.54 | ross` | idk is it the sme? |
| 18:53.15 | stew | ross`: toilet differens than figlet in that toilet is free, and includes unicode support |
| 18:53.29 | ross` | ah ok |
| 18:53.40 | chops | expose: reportbug |
| 18:54.07 | abrotman | expose: you just asked for a webif :) |
| 18:54.33 | abrotman | expose: FWIW .. there's also reportbug-ng .. but that is using the same method as reportbug to submit (just a pretty gui) |
| 18:54.35 | expose | chops: thats not a proper answer for my question, stew answered it already, but thanks anyway |
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| 18:54.57 | expose | abrotman: oh, i'm happy with my console :-) |
| 18:55.02 | abrotman | expose: i guess the idea is that a web interface would be very open to abuse |
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| 18:55.26 | \amethyst | abrotman: and email isn't? |
| 18:55.39 | expose | abrotman: well...kde, gentoo, whoever else also has them without abuse to my knowledge. |
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| 18:55.55 | stew | expose: i don't believe that for a second |
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| 18:56.06 | chops | expose: reportbug is definitely a "proper" answer to a request for a method of submitting new bugs that doesn't incorporate sending emails. It might not have been the one you were looking for, of course :-) |
| 18:56.18 | \amethyst | chops: but reportbug does involve sending emails |
| 18:56.29 | stew | chops: reportbug is basically an email sending tool |
| 18:56.31 | TrueDD | Hi all |
| 18:57.05 | expose | chops: well, it does send emails. it just generates them for me, that's all. |
| 18:57.14 | expose | anyway, problem solved. |
| 18:57.38 | chops | expose, \amethyst, stew: It's true, if email doesn't work on your system then reportbug will not work properly. |
| 18:57.41 | _Sam-- | can anyone help with kernel BUG that i am seeing on my console |
| 18:57.59 | valdyn | chops: wrong. reportbug can send directly |
| 18:58.03 | _Sam-- | phone kernel: kernel BUG at mm/rmap.c:522! |
| 18:58.05 | stew | well you can use reportbug to author the email, and then move the email to another system for sending |
| 18:58.21 | _Sam-- | phone kernel: Process rc (pid: 3481, ti=f750e000 task=dff8aaa0 task.ti=f750e000) |
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| 18:58.43 | stew | _Sam--: you might try #kernelnewbies on irc.oftc.net |
| 18:58.47 | chops | valdyn, stew: Also true |
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| 18:59.50 | expose | valdyn: you still need an MTA somewhere. either locally or remote. |
| 18:59.55 | _Sam-- | apparently, its pretty common, according to google. |
| 19:00.01 | stew | expose: i don't think so |
| 19:00.03 | abrotman | \amethyst: uhm .. email is never abused! |
| 19:00.23 | expose | stew: reportbug cannot send the email on it's own - can it? |
| 19:00.55 | abrotman | expose: use a smarthost if you have to |
| 19:01.34 | ross` | omg.. how do i get nice fonts... |
| 19:01.35 | jeremy_c | On my new debian server, gcc is giving errors w/weird characters... warning: âszNextâ may be used uninitialized what's with the "a" with caret's above it? it compiles and works fine, just weird error/warning output. |
| 19:01.38 | ross` | these are all lame |
| 19:01.38 | ross` | >< |
| 19:01.46 | ross` | i want liek nice ascii art >< |
| 19:01.48 | expose | abrotman: which runs an mta again |
| 19:02.04 | expose | abrotman: and that's covered with "remote" in my understanding. |
| 19:02.05 | chops | expose: FWIW, you probably should set up some sort of email capability for most any Debian machine -- it sends emails for things like failed cronjobs that you may be interested in. Of course, you may regard this as spam and prefer the lack of working email :-). |
| 19:02.33 | expose | anyway, we currently split hairs imho. |
| 19:03.04 | ross` | stew: how do i get nice looking ascii art that has several symbols and makes nice readable letters |
| 19:03.07 | stew | expose: i thought it could send directly to the bts, but i dont' see the option in the manpage, oi don't know |
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| 19:03.15 | \amethyst | jeremy_c: probably you're in a UTF-8 locale but a latin1 terminal |
| 19:03.38 | \amethyst | jeremy_c: is this the console, an xterm on the machine, or an ssh session from somewhere else? |
| 19:03.53 | jeremy_c | \amethyst, putty from a, gulp, windows box. |
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| 19:04.34 | stew | ross`: besies all of the fonts in the toilet-fonts package? |
| 19:04.35 | jeremy_c | \amethyst, that was it. changed to UTF-8 and all works great. thanks. |
| 19:04.53 | ross` | er.. it created the directory /usr/share/figlet |
| 19:04.58 | ross` | also i think im using it wrong.. |
| 19:05.04 | sharp15 | why would the netisntaller sit at 5% for ~10 min. it's supposed to be installing software at this point. |
| 19:05.05 | ross` | im doing figlet SERENITY -f fontname |
| 19:05.09 | ross` | it loks horrible |
| 19:05.13 | abrotman | expose: it doesn't accept on the mta though |
| 19:05.59 | \amethyst | ross`: then try a different font :) |
| 19:06.23 | ross` | i tried them all |
| 19:06.26 | ross` | they all look horrible |
| 19:06.27 | sharp15 | should i consider the install failed and restart? |
| 19:06.30 | ross` | they all use like the same charecter |
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| 19:06.49 | ross` | its all like the little a with w sybcol over it |
| 19:07.03 | ross` | i want acsii art that looks nice.. |
| 19:07.11 | ross` | that's readable |
| 19:07.56 | ross` | my friend made a niceascii art picture for "SERENITY" before |
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| 19:08.01 | ross` | but i can't find it |
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| 19:08.25 | \amethyst | ross`: some fonts are a little better in that respect... rounded or block or chunky, for example |
| 19:08.32 | ross` | yea but |
| 19:08.37 | ross` | do they use mroe then one symbol? |
| 19:08.41 | ross` | to amke up the picture? |
| 19:08.55 | \amethyst | ross`: yes, they use combinations of _ | ( ) / \ and so on |
| 19:08.56 | ross` | please show mw where i can get a nice font pack then please list 4-5 nice looking fonts |
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| 19:09.07 | justs0me | what is the most usefull repo for etch? |
| 19:09.12 | abrotman | justs0me: the main ones |
| 19:09.15 | \amethyst | ross`: package figfonts |
| 19:09.16 | vonnis | does anyone use amule here? |
| 19:09.22 | Aeroraptor | is it possible to install debian (netinstall, 40mb) and not partition the disks? I already have mine set how I want them. |
| 19:09.30 | ross` | "package figfonts"? |
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| 19:09.34 | justs0me | i mean for like 3rd party stuff? |
| 19:09.35 | ross` | or apt-cache it |
| 19:09.36 | ross` | ? |
| 19:09.37 | Aeroraptor | can I just choose "go back" at the partitioner and go on with installing? |
| 19:09.37 | justs0me | livna? |
| 19:09.42 | abrotman | Aeroraptor: yes .. but you need to tell the install which partitions are for which filesystems |
| 19:09.43 | ross` | \amethyst: |
| 19:09.55 | Aeroraptor | abrotman, can I do that? |
| 19:10.01 | \amethyst | ross`: aptitude install figfonts |
| 19:10.09 | abrotman | Aeroraptor: modify the parition .. just don't delete it (format it if you choose) |
| 19:10.12 | kenjy | if I do crontab -l show one thinks but if I do a cat to /etc/crontab it show another thinks |
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| 19:10.17 | kenjy | where is my real crontab file? |
| 19:10.31 | stew | kenjy: /var/spool/cron/crontabs |
| 19:10.34 | Aeroraptor | abrotman, can I not format it? |
| 19:10.35 | ross` | is that the same as apt-get install figfonts? |
| 19:10.38 | Aeroraptor | I need to keep it as it is right now |
| 19:10.56 | kenjy | tnks stew |
| 19:11.13 | \amethyst | ross`: yes |
| 19:11.23 | Aeroraptor | oh I think I got it.. |
| 19:11.37 | Aeroraptor | where it says "write changes to disk" choose no and go back, then start the install |
| 19:11.51 | RBRIDDICK | hi! my etch box crashes when i have heavy disk IO while the 2nd Life client is running... i have a nvidia card geforce 4 MX 460 (dual head) with NVIDIA's driver... it seems like the dual head config crashes more likely... what can i do? |
| 19:12.12 | abrotman | Aeroraptor: sure |
| 19:12.16 | \amethyst | ross`: then try, for example, rounded, block, chunky, puffy, 3-d, ogre, 5lineoblique, isometric1, ... |
| 19:12.22 | Aeroraptor | I have to do it this way cause I'm booted off USB, but the ISO image is on the HDD |
| 19:12.28 | abrotman | Aeroraptor: you still need to tell the installer which FS goes where |
| 19:12.28 | Aeroraptor | it wouldn't work with the ISO image on the flash drive |
| 19:12.41 | Aeroraptor | abrotman, I think I did |
| 19:12.48 | abrotman | okay |
| 19:12.51 | abrotman | it'll whine if you haven't :) |
| 19:12.58 | xingu | RBRIDDICK: raise a support case with either of the two vendors of closed sourceware concerned? |
| 19:13.13 | ross` | i can't get the file |
| 19:13.19 | \amethyst | ross`: ? |
| 19:13.20 | ross` | it says it don't exist |
| 19:13.29 | RBRIDDICK | xingu: thx... |
| 19:13.33 | \amethyst | ross`: what says what doesn't exist? |
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| 19:13.47 | ross` | the package |
| 19:13.53 | ross` | apt-get install figfonts |
| 19:13.57 | \amethyst | ross`: ohh... |
| 19:13.57 | ross` | says it doesnt exist |
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| 19:14.02 | \amethyst | ross`: it was removed from etch |
| 19:14.08 | justs0me | why when install pakages from synapic pakcage manager it asked for the DVD how do i get around this? |
| 19:14.09 | stew | it was never in etch |
| 19:14.18 | ross` | =/ |
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| 19:14.32 | ross` | can yo tell me where i can wget it? |
| 19:14.37 | \amethyst | ross`: http://ftp.debian.org/debian/pool/non-free/f/figfonts/figfonts_2.2.1-1.1_all.deb |
| 19:14.41 | rdz | justs0me, edit your /etc/apt/resources.list fie |
| 19:14.43 | \amethyst | ross`: then dpkg -i that file |
| 19:14.43 | stew | justs0me: remove the dvd line from /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 19:15.10 | \amethyst | ross`: that's the version from sarge---it's the same version I have installed on my sid machine |
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| 19:15.19 | vonnis | !dpkg amule |
| 19:15.29 | vonnis | dpkg amule |
| 19:15.29 | dpkg | from memory, amule is Another eMule P2P client. It is another fork of the xMule project. It connects to the eDonkey2000 network and can be found at http://amule.sourceforge.net/index.php?downloads |
| 19:15.30 | \amethyst | ross`: also, you can use the same fonts with toilet, too |
| 19:16.08 | neo2dot0 | can it be that the download links for lenny's businesscard.iso get us really etch isos? |
| 19:16.21 | stew | neo2dot0: yes |
| 19:16.24 | ross` | ok.. |
| 19:16.28 | penp | what repo is figfonts in? |
| 19:16.34 | ross` | so wait dpkg what? |
| 19:16.36 | \amethyst | penp: it's in sarge nonfree |
| 19:16.39 | penp | aahhh |
| 19:16.40 | ross` | wait on irc yo mean? |
| 19:16.41 | stew | neo2dot0: wait, which link are you talking about? |
| 19:16.45 | ross` | i don't understand |
| 19:16.53 | \amethyst | ross`: download the file then dpkg -i figfonts_2.2.1-1.1_all.deb |
| 19:17.03 | stew | penp: there is no longer a figfonts package, the fonts are included in the main pacakge |
| 19:17.38 | penp | so its the same fonts? |
| 19:17.41 | ross` | dpkg -i figfonts_2.2.1-1.1_all.debdpkg: error processing figfonts_2.2.1-1.1_all.deb (--install): cannot access archive: No such file or directory |
| 19:17.44 | ross` | Errors were encountered while processing: figfonts_2.2.1-1.1_all.deb |
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| 19:17.47 | \amethyst | stew: figfonts had a lot more fonts than are in the figlet package |
| 19:18.02 | \amethyst | ross`: did you download it |
| 19:18.06 | ross` | i tried too |
| 19:18.21 | \amethyst | ross`: and? |
| 19:18.21 | ross` | i typeddpkg -i figfonts_2.2.1-1.1_all.deb as root shell |
| 19:18.27 | \amethyst | ross`: that doesn't download it |
| 19:18.31 | ross` | ah |
| 19:18.31 | \amethyst | ross`: you need to use wget |
| 19:18.33 | ross` | wget it then? |
| 19:18.35 | ross` | ah ok |
| 19:18.41 | \amethyst | ross`: wget http://ftp.debian.org/debian/pool/non-free/f/figfonts/figfonts_2.2.1-1.1_all.deb then dpkg -i the downloaded file |
| 19:19.35 | neo2dot0 | stew: on http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/daily-builds/daily/arch-latest/i386/iso-cd |
| 19:19.41 | justs0me | stew: how do i edit it useing the terminal im used to gedit "path" |
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| 19:20.11 | hjb | hi. I've got two soundcards installed. How can i set which one's the default? |
| 19:20.24 | hjb | (I'm using plain alsa on debian/lenny) |
| 19:20.27 | cahoot | asoundconf should help |
| 19:20.36 | neo2dot0 | Where are the lenny netinstalls? |
| 19:20.48 | ross` | wget |
| 19:20.49 | hjb | cahoot i'll try and see :-) thanks! |
| 19:21.21 | ross` | file nto found |
| 19:21.22 | ross` | wget http://ftp.debian.org/debian/pool/non-free/f/figfonts/figfonts_2 |
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| 19:21.34 | stew | neo2dot0: no those are testing |
| 19:21.40 | stew | neo2dot0: those are lenny netinstalls |
| 19:21.46 | ross` | oh wait i know what |
| 19:21.47 | ross` | LOL |
| 19:21.57 | neo2dot0 | stew: that's what I thought! |
| 19:22.02 | stew | justs0me: sensible-editor /path/to/filename |
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| 19:22.09 | neo2dot0 | Now I have an etch system. |
| 19:22.21 | justs0me | stew: why wont gedit or kedit work? |
| 19:22.27 | ross` | k it woked |
| 19:22.36 | ross` | i have it now im dpkging it |
| 19:22.39 | stew | justs0me: they would, but you have to run them as root |
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| 19:22.49 | ross` | dpkg: error processing figfonts (--install): dependency problems - leaving unconfigured |
| 19:22.49 | dpkg | That isn't an error, post the whole output to paster. |
| 19:22.52 | ross` | Errors were encountered while processing: figfonts |
| 19:22.53 | stew | neo2dot0: you can upgrade from etch to lenny easily |
| 19:22.56 | justs0me | yea im in root |
| 19:23.05 | ross` | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:23.10 | justs0me | stew: yea im in root |
| 19:23.16 | ross` | dpkg please be wuiet* |
| 19:23.20 | ross` | quit* |
| 19:23.33 | stew | justs0me: then gedit or kedit would be fine |
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| 19:23.38 | stew | (does kedit exist anymore?) |
| 19:23.47 | ross` | \amethyst: it won't let me dpkg it |
| 19:23.48 | hjb | cahoot hmm, i have trouble using asoundconf |
| 19:23.50 | stew | justs0me: if you get an error running gedit: /msg dpkg run stuff as root |
| 19:23.58 | cahoot | hjb: ? |
| 19:23.59 | ross` | <PROTECTED> |
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| 19:24.16 | ross` | dpkg shut up please |
| 19:24.16 | dpkg | No, I won't, and you can't make me. :P |
| 19:24.21 | hjb | cahoot i've tried "asoundconf list" but it doesn't show up any card |
| 19:24.21 | ross` | oh yea? |
| 19:24.31 | hjb | cahoot shouldn't it do? |
| 19:24.47 | cahoot | hjb: try asoundconf -set-default-card <card> |
| 19:24.49 | neo2dot0 | stew: by doing apt-get dist-upgrade? |
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| 19:24.51 | roxy_ | for a package to go from unstable to testing, does all outstanding grave and serious bugs have to be resolved ? |
| 19:25.04 | stew | neo2dot0: yes, but it is recommended that you use aptitude instead of apt-get |
| 19:25.10 | d0uglas | Hi. I need to relay mail from my phone through my server but AT&T gives dynamic ips that are completely dynamic, all four segments of the ip. Instead of specifying 32.0.0.0/8 or whatever in postfix or opening the thing up completely can I specify *.mycingular.net? |
| 19:25.11 | ross` | OMFG IT SAYS I NEED FIGLET TO INSTALL THIS |
| 19:25.12 | Diamond | !tell me about adtitude dist-upgrade |
| 19:25.13 | cahoot | hjb: err asoundconf set-default-card <card> |
| 19:25.16 | ross` | \amethyst: HALLLLP |
| 19:25.16 | hjb | cahoot what do i have to fill in for <card> ? |
| 19:25.17 | stew | ross`: please don't use caps |
| 19:25.25 | Diamond | !tell me about aptitude dist-upgrade |
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| 19:25.32 | stew | roxy_: no, but it must have fewer RC bugs than the one it is replacing |
| 19:25.33 | abrotman | !tell Diamond about selftell |
| 19:25.35 | Ketsa | how can I launch through an ssh session a command for the X:0 session on the remote machine ? |
| 19:25.49 | neo2dot0 | stew: ok, thanksy |
| 19:25.50 | cahoot | hjb: cat /proc/asound/cards - any names? |
| 19:25.51 | stew | roxy_: well if it is a package not in testing then yses it must have all grave/critical/serious bugs fixed |
| 19:25.58 | neo2dot0 | -y |
| 19:26.02 | hjb | cahoot yes |
| 19:26.09 | cahoot | like? |
| 19:26.15 | stew | roxy_: but if a package in testing has 2 grave bugs and the one in unstable has only 1 then the one in unstable can be moved to testing |
| 19:26.29 | hjb | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:26.36 | hjb | cahoot 1 [V8235 ]: VIA8233 - VIA 8235 |
| 19:26.48 | justs0me | why when i took out the DVD line of the resocures.list file most of the apps i waned to install went away? |
| 19:26.55 | cahoot | hjb: try asoundconf set-default-card emu10k1 |
| 19:27.10 | stew | justs0me: you need to add a network mirror: /msg dpkg sources.list |
| 19:27.19 | hjb | cahoot that's the default now. I want the VIA to be default |
| 19:27.31 | cahoot | hjb: try asoundconf set-default-card via8233 |
| 19:28.47 | hjb | cahoot it has created a well looking .asoundrc in my home |
| 19:28.54 | hjb | cahoot i'll try if it worked |
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| 19:29.04 | cahoot | hjb: interested to hear the result |
| 19:29.31 | vonnis | does anyone use amule here? |
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| 19:29.42 | abrotman | vonnis: ask a better question |
| 19:30.10 | Diamond | Hi |
| 19:30.11 | Diamond | wols_ |
| 19:30.18 | Diamond | stew |
| 19:30.19 | cahoot | do you use amule? better? |
| 19:30.22 | Diamond | you are there? |
| 19:30.33 | roxy_ | stew: I can't check. The link for the PTS for testing here: http://packages.debian.org/lenny/xserver-xorg points to the package in unstable. |
| 19:30.47 | hjb | cahoot ALSA lib confmisc.c:768:(parse_card) cannot find card 'via8233' |
| 19:30.54 | Diamond | yesterday dpkg told me to go for dist-upgrade to some document |
| 19:31.07 | Diamond | i forgot the url |
| 19:31.16 | wols_ | dist-upgrade to what? |
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| 19:31.24 | abrotman | for the release notes? |
| 19:31.29 | cahoot | hjb: try asoundconf set-default-card v8235 (this tool is new to me ;) ) |
| 19:31.40 | abrotman | MOO! |
| 19:31.43 | justs0me | what is that dpkg thing called for this IRC |
| 19:31.47 | hjb | cahoot i'll first try something else ;) wait a moment... |
| 19:31.49 | abrotman | justs0me: it's a blootbot |
| 19:31.55 | jelly-home | justs0me: a bot? |
| 19:31.59 | abrotman | dpkg: what are you |
| 19:31.59 | dpkg | I am a blootbot. For more info see <blootbot> |
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| 19:32.07 | dcordero | hi |
| 19:32.08 | justs0me | oh |
| 19:32.20 | justs0me | does all chat rooms have this ? |
| 19:32.23 | abrotman | no |
| 19:32.31 | justs0me | how do u know if one does? |
| 19:32.39 | abrotman | ask a regular perhaps? |
| 19:32.58 | hjb | cahoot ok, now i'll try your version :-) |
| 19:33.13 | d0uglas | do mx record changes propagate faster than new domains? |
| 19:33.16 | justs0me | ok |
| 19:33.26 | abrotman | d0uglas: depends on your DNS setup |
| 19:33.35 | abrotman | d0uglas: you mean DNS vs whois ? |
| 19:33.39 | stew | roxy_: its too young now: http://bjorn.haxx.se/debian/testing.pl?package=xorg ; it could potentially go in tomorrow if it weren't for these bugs: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/pkgreport.cgi?which=pkg&data=xserver-xorg-core&sev-inc=critical&sev-inc=grave&sev-inc=serious |
| 19:33.51 | x3rus | Hi, I recently install debian etch without a desktop only the standard system. Now I want to manually install it, I did a aptitude install gnome, it download and install them but when I d startx it say X: cannot stat /etc/X11/X (No such file or directory), aborting. Which package do I need to install for that |
| 19:34.02 | d0uglas | right.. changing priorities of mx entries managed by the registrar, not running bind myself |
| 19:34.08 | abrotman | x3rus: aptitude install gnome xorg gdm |
| 19:34.15 | x3rus | thanks |
| 19:34.18 | hjb | cahoot ALSA lib confmisc.c:768:(parse_card) cannot find card 'v8235' |
| 19:34.29 | abrotman | d0uglas: depends on the dns setup .. could take hours .. could take days |
| 19:35.03 | dcordero | where can i report a package broken in sid? |
| 19:35.15 | cahoot | hjb: ok this method was said to be the one to use - personally I prefer setting the card via a module option |
| 19:35.43 | roxy_ | stew: so 4 bugs to fix before it goes in ? |
| 19:35.50 | cahoot | hjb: as described here http://alsa.opensrc.org/index.php/FAQ see 3.14 |
| 19:35.52 | hjb | cahoot i guess it should work, in case i provide the correct name |
| 19:35.54 | abrotman | dcordero: /msg dpkg reportbug |
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| 19:36.31 | cahoot | hjb: be sure to remove the erroneous .asoundrc |
| 19:38.01 | cahoot | hjb: maybe 'card1' should work |
| 19:38.12 | hjb | cahoot hmm, i've made some advance now. Seems that i've got the right card name now.... |
| 19:38.22 | hjb | cahoot ALSA lib confmisc.c:1286:(snd_func_refer) Unable to find definition 'defaults.pcm.dmix.device' |
| 19:38.32 | hjb | cahoot new problem |
| 19:39.03 | hjb | cahoot (I've taken the name out of /proc/asound/cards) |
| 19:39.06 | cahoot | hjb: ok now for my personal satisfaction could you try rename defaults.pcm to default.pcm and try again? |
| 19:39.24 | hjb | cahoot np :-) |
| 19:39.35 | dcordero | thanks abrotman |
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| 19:40.48 | cahoot | hjb: i e in the fila that .asoundrc point to |
| 19:40.48 | hjb | cahoot huh, aplay works now |
| 19:40.59 | hjb | cahoot but i can hear no sound ?!? |
| 19:41.20 | expose | does anyone know why the tp_smapi-module isnt included since oldstable anymore (it's for all those cool thinkpad features)? |
| 19:41.23 | cahoot | hjb: invoke-rc.d alsa-utils reset 1 |
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| 19:42.06 | Diamond | Hi |
| 19:42.10 | Diamond | question about compiz |
| 19:42.29 | Diamond | what does compiz means by autogen.sh |
| 19:42.30 | Diamond | ;/ |
| 19:43.12 | Diamond | compiz uses automake, in order to generate the Makefiles for compiz use : autogen.sh ??? |
| 19:43.17 | wols_ | Diamond: a script |
| 19:43.28 | Diamond | ok |
| 19:43.32 | Diamond | how to execute |
| 19:43.34 | Diamond | or us? |
| 19:43.35 | Diamond | use? |
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| 19:44.02 | hjb | cahoot Hmm, there's something strange in .asoundrc.asoundconf |
| 19:44.16 | hjb | cahoot default.pcm.device 0 |
| 19:44.35 | hjb | cahoot card number 0 is the SbLive |
| 19:44.47 | hjb | cahoot i'll try to change it to 1 |
| 19:44.51 | cahoot | ok |
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| 19:45.19 | cahoot | hjb: I think asoundconf is broken actually |
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| 19:48.36 | hjb | cahoot maybe. I'll try this: http://alsa.opensrc.org/index.php/FAQ#How_can_I_change_the_default_ALSA_device.3F |
| 19:48.54 | cahoot | hjb: be sure to remove the erroneous .asoundrc files |
| 19:49.06 | x3rus | exit |
| 19:49.34 | solemnwarning | Can I store the password for NIS users in the client shadow files? |
| 19:49.53 | hjb | cahoot good idea |
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| 19:50.57 | hjb | cahoot Cool, now it works! Thanks for your help (and yes, i think asoundconf IS broken ;-)) |
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| 19:51.23 | cahoot | hjb: good - I wanted confirmation of my suspicion |
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| 19:51.32 | uzbek | good evening all |
| 19:52.06 | hjb | cahoot Just curious: where did your suspiction came from? Have you had trouble, too? |
| 19:52.43 | plodder | evening uzbek |
| 19:52.50 | uzbek | i can't connect to internet, network is starting normal. In my interfaces file there's one line: iface eth0 dhcp (and one word that i forgot) |
| 19:52.57 | cahoot | hjb: someone else had - solved by the defaults to default change |
| 19:53.33 | hjb | cahoot ok. Strange that it didn't for me :-/ |
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| 19:53.54 | MadScientist | Hey peeps, I'm using dhcpd on debian to assign ip's to windows machines, the problem I have is adding additional subnets to the clients.. the way static-routes works isn't suitable to tell the new subnet to route via the existing route, does anyone know if there is a way to do this so the new subnet uses the existing route without having to create another alias on the router and therefore requiring another static route ? |
| 19:53.59 | cahoot | hjb: well you got another errormsg after the change ;) |
| 19:54.10 | hjb | cahoot But i think the fact that it isn't able to list the available cards makes it suspicious, too |
| 19:54.20 | hjb | cahoot yeah right! |
| 19:54.45 | hjb | cahoot no, actually i got no new error message after that change. |
| 19:54.59 | hjb | cahoot it just worked, but the default didn't change |
| 19:55.12 | hjb | cahoot so, no effect at all |
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| 19:55.47 | hjb | cahoot but i'm not sure, if my alsa setup isn't some kind of broken. |
| 19:56.14 | hjb | cahoot else i would submit a bug report right now :-) |
| 19:56.17 | cahoot | hjb: I dpn't think so if it works - shouldn't need an .asoundrc |
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| 19:56.23 | abrotman | couldn't you just call me Gozer or whatever it was |
| 19:56.35 | SpeedyG | Gozer ? |
| 19:56.37 | Diamond | wols_ : Hi. i have my server cleaned :) now i am preparing the install for compiz can you help me a bit.? #compiz is idle hm. i searhed on apt-cache about autogen.sh it found on application gnome-common |
| 19:56.43 | uzbek | i can't connect to internet, network is starting normal. In my interfaces file there's one line: iface eth0 dhcp (and one word that i forgot) |
| 19:56.48 | Diamond | must i install that to get autogen.sh ? |
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| 19:57.10 | Diamond | my server is now clean only basic install without grapichal interface |
| 19:57.25 | Diamond | hope any of you guys can help me further |
| 19:57.26 | abrotman | SpeedyG: from Ghostbusters |
| 19:57.28 | gumpish | Soooo... if you have an old box with sarge, if your apt sources list refers to "stable", will apt then proceed to bring down Debian 4.0 packages? Will that work? Or is dist-upgrade required? |
| 19:57.31 | SpeedyG | abrotman: ah |
| 19:57.35 | abrotman | a server? compiz? |
| 19:57.45 | abrotman | gumpish: you still need a dist-upgrade |
| 19:57.45 | SpeedyG | abrotman: Gozer is also dutch for 'guy' ... so it kinda confused me ;) |
| 19:57.47 | hjb | cahoot not sure, but nevermind. Now it does what it should so i'm just happy! |
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| 19:57.59 | Diamond | abrotman : yes i want to test it out :) |
| 19:58.10 | hjb | cahoot i'll leave now. HAND |
| 19:58.15 | Diamond | else i install kde just want to take a look at it |
| 19:58.16 | Diamond | ;) |
| 19:58.23 | cahoot | hjb ok |
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| 19:58.56 | abrotman | it's a server ... |
| 19:59.02 | Diamond | yeah i know |
| 19:59.08 | Diamond | but just want to test it |
| 19:59.08 | Diamond | ;p |
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| 19:59.27 | Diamond | never seen compiz running before |
| 19:59.28 | ross` | YaWN |
| 20:00.04 | deadcat | ok. i have a .mkv file. how do i burn the mofo into dvd? |
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| 20:01.55 | leberkaes | Why is metapost/meta-uml not part of debian-etch? (Its only in sid right??) |
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| 20:03.00 | h3sp4wn | leberkaes: Is that part of texlive ? |
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| 20:03.09 | leberkaes | yes |
| 20:03.18 | h3sp4wn | leberkaes: lenny will have it by now |
| 20:03.36 | h3sp4wn | leberkaes: It went into unstable pretty much straight after etch was released |
| 20:03.38 | justs0me | how long is a debian release supported for ? |
| 20:03.42 | leberkaes | ok, but metapost is soooo old. Why is it not in stable since 10 yearsor something? |
| 20:03.49 | justs0me | and when is the next one due out? |
| 20:04.13 | h3sp4wn | justs0me: undefined and undefined |
| 20:04.30 | wols_ | h3sp4wn: support time is defined: 12 months after a new release |
| 20:04.39 | justs0me | for etch is there prebilt nvidia drivers/ |
| 20:04.40 | SpeedyG | abrotman: why not install X on a server, if you want to test X.. and not planning to use that server for a while ;) would definately be a nice testingground :) |
| 20:04.49 | justs0me | prebuilt* |
| 20:04.50 | gumpish | abrotman: when I do apt-get -s dist-upgrade I'm being told I have to use Force-LoopBreak due to e2fsprogs =( I'm scared. |
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| 20:05.12 | abrotman | !e2fsloop |
| 20:05.14 | abrotman | bah |
| 20:05.16 | h3sp4wn | wols_: Thats not an actual time scale though |
| 20:05.17 | abrotman | !e2fsprogs |
| 20:05.17 | dpkg | i guess e2fsprogs is if you are getting a messages about Force LoopBreak a likely cause is that you are trying to upgrade pre-stable packages to testing which isnt' supported. you should fully upgrade to the current stable before upgrading to testing,ask me about <force loopbreak> |
| 20:05.21 | roxy_ | justs0me: yes |
| 20:05.30 | abrotman | SpeedyG: bad! |
| 20:05.33 | wols_ | !tell justs0me about nvidia |
| 20:05.56 | SpeedyG | abrotman: hehe :) well, if its a spare box, I couldnt care less... just dont install X on any server you're planning to use as a server ;) |
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| 20:05.58 | roxy_ | justs0me: http://packages.debian.org/etch/nvidia-glx |
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| 20:06.06 | justs0me | roxy_: thanks |
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| 20:06.10 | deadcat | ok. i have a .mkv file. how do i burn the mofo into dvd with growisofs? |
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| 20:06.11 | Diamond | hmmz. |
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| 20:06.22 | the_sniff | How do i check a process real gid? |
| 20:06.24 | rking | I have a .PDF that is a form, what program can I use to fill it out? (evince/xpdf are view-only AFAIK) |
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| 20:06.47 | gumpish | So how do I "fully upgrade to the current stable"? |
| 20:07.05 | Aeroraptor | on a 366MHz machine with 512MB RAM, will using ext2 over ext3 make much of a difference in speed? |
| 20:07.16 | wols_ | gumpish: depends what you run right now |
| 20:07.22 | gumpish | sarge |
| 20:07.26 | wols_ | Aeroraptor: no |
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| 20:07.32 | wols_ | !tell gumpish about sarge->etch |
| 20:07.33 | Aeroraptor | wols_, thought so |
| 20:07.59 | gumpish | wols_: thanks |
| 20:08.13 | wols_ | deadcat: you need to transcode it to mpeg2 first |
| 20:08.48 | _Sam-- | is remote serial console possible using a usb to serial cable? (my serial ports are both used by modems for faxing) |
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| 20:09.17 | deadcat | wols_: oh damn. |
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| 20:10.13 | rking | the_sniff: ps -eo '%p %r' if in shell, getgid() if in C |
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| 20:10.36 | rking | any word on a good program to edit .pdf's? |
| 20:10.43 | rking | i just mean to fill them out as forms |
| 20:10.56 | rking | (i'd use latex or inkscape to really make them |
| 20:10.58 | _Sam-- | lsmod and uname -a added: http://www.pastebin.ca/807542 |
| 20:11.02 | _Sam-- | er, wrong win, sorry |
| 20:11.18 | justs0me | roxy_: i must have the non-free nvidia driver for 3D acceleration? |
| 20:12.13 | Diamond | okay. |
| 20:12.18 | Diamond | just a question though |
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| 20:12.44 | deadcat | wols_: is there alot of steps to make a .mkv file so i can burn it to dvd and play it as real dvd? |
| 20:12.49 | Diamond | i want to know how i can config my network connecition on ssh |
| 20:12.54 | Trewas | rking: evince 2.20 should works, and acrobat reader is a safe bet |
| 20:12.58 | the_sniff | rking: thanks, i was trying c cause i couldn't make it work :p |
| 20:13.00 | wols_ | deadcat: not sure. check out mencoder |
| 20:13.10 | deadcat | wols_: k |
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| 20:13.44 | rking | Trewas: oh, wow... i'm on lenny with evince 0.8.3 |
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| 20:14.43 | Trewas | rking: apparently it is nowadays numbered with gnome version numbers, so this is gnome 2.20 (in ubuntu tbh) |
| 20:14.57 | waseem57 | hi anyone please tell me how do i change my screen resolution from the terminal? |
| 20:14.59 | roxy_ | justs0me: yes |
| 20:15.18 | cahoot | waseem57: in X? xrandr |
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| 20:15.34 | waseem57 | cahoot yes |
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| 20:17.10 | thelostbutler | waseem57: are you using etch ? |
| 20:17.14 | Enverex | What would be the console syntax to remove everything other than "." files in a folder? |
| 20:17.27 | leberkaes | rm * -rf |
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| 20:17.47 | leberkaes | rm .* -rf (hidden files or directories) |
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| 20:18.18 | waseem57 | I was using gnome, I changed resolution from 1024x768 to 1280x1064 and my screen got blurry. |
| 20:18.46 | waseem57 | now I can't even figure out what icons are present on the desktop. |
| 20:18.51 | thelostbutler | waseem57: how did you change the resolution ? |
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| 20:18.54 | cahoot | waseem57: tried xrandr? |
| 20:19.02 | Enverex | leberkaes, Thanks, that worked, That's what I thought it was but I didn't want to try it though just incase |
| 20:19.22 | thelostbutler | cahoot: interesting i didn't know about xrandr before |
| 20:19.24 | sharp15 | waseem57: does your monitor support the resolution you changed to? |
| 20:19.26 | roxy_ | waseem57: well...how can you read irc ? |
| 20:19.28 | vanguard | Hi all ! I am looking for some help witrh HAL and KDE. I need some understandings. |
| 20:19.42 | waseem57 | sharp15: It seems it does not. |
| 20:19.49 | roxy_ | vanguard: tried #kde ? |
| 20:19.58 | waseem57 | roxy_: another machine :-) |
| 20:20.10 | roxy_ | waseem57: :-) |
| 20:20.12 | vanguard | The problem is: If I mount devices with ext2 or ext3 using HAL, they are not writable. |
| 20:20.28 | thelostbutler | waseem57: edit /etc/X11/xorg.conf |
| 20:20.30 | vanguard | roxy_: Seems not to be a problem of KDE. |
| 20:20.43 | sharp15 | waseem57: try moving your mouse to the edge of the visable area, then push it farther. |
| 20:21.10 | vanguard | roxy_: More with dbus and hal. I do not understand, how HAL is working. |
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| 20:21.49 | vanguard | Should I try #kde ??? |
| 20:21.51 | roxy_ | vanguard: don't feel stupid, me neither. |
| 20:22.18 | neo2dot0 | where do I find ntfs-config? |
| 20:22.48 | neo2dot0 | I mean, how can I install it in Lenny? |
| 20:23.01 | sharp15 | vanguard: ls -hld the mount point. does your user or group have write permissions? |
| 20:23.09 | waseem57 | cahoot: can't use xrandr. it says can't open display. |
| 20:23.21 | cahoot | not as root |
| 20:23.36 | cahoot | waseem57: in x too |
| 20:23.53 | vanguard | sharp15: The mountpoint is created by HAL, below /media. |
| 20:24.01 | waseem57 | cahoot: I think there is file which i can edit for allowed screen resolutions..I forgot where it lies. |
| 20:24.16 | vanguard | sharp15: I do not understand, how it works. |
| 20:24.29 | waseem57 | cahoot:x is dead. |
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| 20:24.39 | thelostbutler | neo2dot0: if it is not listed in packages.debian.org then download the source compile it and use it |
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| 20:24.42 | sharp15 | vanguard: the ext filesystems store ownership/permissions in the filesystem on the device. |
| 20:25.07 | vanguard | Yes, but I am the owner. |
| 20:25.07 | cahoot | waseem57: ok dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg |
| 20:25.14 | neo2dot0 | thelostbutler: ok, thanks. |
| 20:25.23 | sharp15 | vanguard: according to the filesystem? |
| 20:25.26 | vanguard | sharp15: But HAL seems to change something. |
| 20:25.27 | waseem57 | cahoot: ok |
| 20:25.28 | justs0me | what is the k7 kernal |
| 20:25.35 | cahoot | kernel |
| 20:25.42 | justs0me | kernel* |
| 20:25.47 | vanguard | sharp15: Yes. |
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| 20:25.55 | dcordero | hi |
| 20:25.57 | justs0me | whats the difference with it and the i686 |
| 20:26.06 | justs0me | which is what my machine is |
| 20:26.07 | cahoot | built for amd k7 |
| 20:26.08 | sharp15 | vanguard: even when hal mounts the drive? |
| 20:26.19 | justs0me | oh |
| 20:26.20 | dcordero | is needed use backports for install xserver-xgl on sid? |
| 20:26.32 | justs0me | what cpu's are k7/ |
| 20:26.32 | thelostbutler | justs0me: apt-cache show linux-image-<version> will show you the descriptions |
| 20:26.42 | vanguard | sharp15: always, when HAL mounts the drive. |
| 20:26.52 | thelostbutler | justs0me: AMD Duron/Athlon/AthlonXP/Sempron machines. |
| 20:27.04 | justs0me | oh ok |
| 20:27.06 | justs0me | thanks |
| 20:28.27 | justs0me | roxy_: how to i make systmatic package manager see that sit u sent me to ? |
| 20:28.35 | sharp15 | vanguard: i don't know then. you could try changing the permissions, but i don't know what the issue would be. |
| 20:28.44 | DawnLight | i am running a samba server in a machine that has an internet IP in one of it's interfaces samba documentation tells me that samba listens on two ports and can't be configured to be secure, because ip spoofing can fool it. i've just learned how to add rules to the FILTER table but i don't know what rules i need to catch these packets because the WAN ip is dynamic. |
| 20:29.05 | roxy_ | justs0me: source.list |
| 20:29.43 | vanguard | sharp15: No, this does not work. O.k., no problem, I will ask the KDE group. Thanks for help ? |
| 20:29.57 | vanguard | Thanks for help ! , I meant. :) |
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| 20:30.03 | roxy_ | justs0me: good reading: http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers |
| 20:30.34 | neo2dot0 | how do I generate a .deb from some source instead of installing it directly after the make? |
| 20:30.36 | vanguard | justs0me: K7 are Athlon CPUs |
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| 20:30.40 | sharp15 | vanguard: try the hal channel, i don't think #kde is going to be much help with hal issues. |
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| 20:30.54 | rysiek|pl | hi all |
| 20:31.00 | vanguard | sharp15: Good idea ! Thanks ! |
| 20:31.01 | error0327 | hii all |
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| 20:31.36 | roxy_ | vanguard: at least you do a nice channel tour of freenode :-) |
| 20:31.37 | briantumor | how do you install the kernel source through apt-get? |
| 20:31.51 | roxy_ | apt-get install kernel-source |
| 20:31.56 | FastPutty | guys how i can do to fix the sysctl. it said kernel: process `sysctl' is using deprecated sysctl (syscall) net.ipv6.neigh.eth1.base_reachable_time; Use net.ipv6.neigh.eth1.base_reachable_time_ms instead |
| 20:32.05 | briantumor | roxy_, doesn't find it |
| 20:32.05 | vanguard | roxy_: Oh yes, but have much fun ! :) |
| 20:32.08 | Diamond | Hi |
| 20:32.08 | neo2dot0 | was it build-dep? |
| 20:32.12 | Diamond | anyone know2s |
| 20:32.17 | Diamond | how to config |
| 20:32.28 | rysiek|pl | guys, I am trying to get syntax highlighting in vim, but google tels me I need vim-full... and vim-full depends on a whole lotta unneeded by me stuff - like esound-common or gnome-keyring |
| 20:32.28 | Diamond | network connection settings under ssh |
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| 20:32.33 | Diamond | in ssh*' |
| 20:32.35 | dkr | briantumor: linux-source, not kernel-source |
| 20:32.46 | roxy_ | briantumor: try with linux-source |
| 20:32.51 | Diamond | i want to change local ip and stuff |
| 20:32.55 | thelostbutler | neo2dot0: dpkg-buildpackage |
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| 20:33.08 | rysiek|pl | my box is just a pure cli server, so I would rather omit installing any gnome packets |
| 20:33.09 | dkr | or apt-get source linux-image ? :) |
| 20:33.11 | Diamond | anyone? |
| 20:33.25 | neo2dot0 | thelostbutler: thanks again |
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| 20:33.32 | rysiek|pl | Diamond: /etc/network/interfaces; man interfaces; man ifconfig |
| 20:33.37 | Tramp | Diamond: you're unspecific. I have no clue what you are actually trying to do. |
| 20:33.58 | rysiek|pl | Tramp: he wants to change local IP and stuff ;) |
| 20:34.04 | briantumor | roxy_, package linux-source does not have an installation candidate |
| 20:34.10 | dkr | in ssh? |
| 20:34.10 | rysiek|pl | Diamond: read the manpages and stuff |
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| 20:34.12 | sharp15 | how do i move debian-lenny from dhcp to a static ip? |
| 20:34.25 | thelostbutler | briantumor: apt-cache search linux-source and it will give the available versions |
| 20:34.25 | roxy_ | briantumor: what debian version ? |
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| 20:34.32 | briantumor | etch |
| 20:34.35 | Tramp | rysiek|pl: he was talking about ssh(d I presume) - but yeah, that's the point.... |
| 20:34.40 | \amethyst | rysiek|pl: lenny has vim-nox, but in etch you'll probably have to install at least gtk |
| 20:34.42 | dkr | sharp15: man interfaces |
| 20:34.53 | roxy_ | briantumor: or: aptitude search linux-source |
| 20:35.12 | rysiek|pl | \amethyst: so I should just go ahead with 80MB of vim-full + stuff I don't need? |
| 20:35.22 | \amethyst | rysiek|pl: actually, there's a vim-nox in etch-backports, if you want to use that |
| 20:35.30 | \amethyst | rysiek|pl: is 80MB a problem? |
| 20:35.36 | h3sp4wn | rysiek|pl: vim-basic should be fine |
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| 20:35.57 | rysiek|pl | \amethyst: well, I just don't like installing stuff I won't use :) |
| 20:35.59 | briantumor | roxy_, should i install the patch? |
| 20:35.59 | Tramp | DawnLight: Do you actually want samba services bound to your external IP? |
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| 20:36.21 | DawnLight | Tramp: no, but i can't help it |
| 20:36.28 | rysiek|pl | h3sp4wn, \amethyst: I'll try with vim-basic, and then with etch-backports, thanks |
| 20:36.59 | h3sp4wn | rysiek|pl: actually just vim in etch for me seems to not link against any of that awful stuff |
| 20:37.11 | roxy_ | briantumor: don't know. I just do what aptitude tells me to. |
| 20:37.18 | Tramp | DawnLight: huh? Not much experience with samba (smbd/nmbd iirc), but I'm sure you can specify the IP/Interface they bind to ... |
| 20:37.26 | briantumor | it's not telling me anything, but thanks :) |
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| 20:38.12 | rysiek|pl | h3sp4wn: thanks! vim-basic is not there ;) |
| 20:38.24 | roxy_ | briantumor: then I listen to my wife. |
| 20:38.31 | briantumor | hehe |
| 20:38.38 | FastPutty | guys how i can do to fix the sysctl. it said kernel: process `sysctl' is using deprecated sysctl (syscall) net.ipv6.neigh.eth1.base_reachable_time; Use net.ipv6.neigh.eth1.base_reachable_time_ms instead |
| 20:38.41 | DawnLight | Tramp: i can, but it still listens in all interfaces and drops according to the header so it is sensitive to spoofing |
| 20:39.03 | h3sp4wn | rysiek|pl: Yeah I checked |
| 20:39.12 | roxy_ | briantumor: what does: "aptitude install linux-source-2.6" says ? |
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| 20:41.11 | Tramp | DawnLight: ah, ok. I think I see what you mean. The statement in the manpage about "bind interfaces only (G)" |
| 20:42.53 | DawnLight | yes, Tramp |
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| 20:45.44 | rysiek|pl | h3sp4wn: workls like a charm, thanks a lot |
| 20:46.29 | Tramp | DawnLight: well, this is mainly a theoretical threat because (1) it affects only the nmbd (2) if someone spoofes a private IP, the answer packets will be routed from your machine to your internal IF unless he uses source-routing (3) afaik source-routed packets are not honored by the linux kernel (4) even if it was, they would most likely be dropped somewhere inbetween you and the attacker |
| 20:47.23 | minus198 | Gah! Can someone help me compile: wxWidgets 2.6.7? The ./configure works flawlessly. But when I do: "make" it spits out some errors. |
| 20:47.24 | minus198 | http://pastebin.com/d3ac436fc |
| 20:47.26 | Tramp | DawnLight: but if you are still concerned, use iptables do drop all packets with RFC 1918 (private) IPs on your external interface. |
| 20:47.33 | Enverex | When was Etch released? |
| 20:47.34 | rysiek|pl | cu all, gtg |
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| 20:47.45 | cahoot | !etch |
| 20:47.45 | dpkg | Etch is the code name for the current stable Debian release, version 4.0, released on April 8th, 2007. Ask me about <install debian>. Please read the release notes at http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/releasenotes which also contain the upgrade procedure for upgrading from the previous version of Debian stable (<sarge>). |
| 20:47.46 | tolecnal | http://tinyurl.com/3dh2m3 |
| 20:48.11 | DawnLight | Tramp: good thinking. thanks |
| 20:48.19 | Diamond | hmm hmm. |
| 20:48.22 | Diamond | stew |
| 20:48.23 | Diamond | you there? |
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| 20:48.44 | chops | minus198: Silly question -- why not just install the Debian package? Is 2.6.7 not packaged yet? |
| 20:49.02 | Tramp | DawnLight: That would be done in the INPUT chain of the filter-table |
| 20:49.19 | minus198 | chops, Debian uses 2.6.3 |
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| 20:51.28 | guillaume | is it possible to use SAGEM bluetooth headset under debian ? |
| 20:51.29 | minus198 | ow, sorry.. its "2.8.7" of wxWidgets I'm trying to install |
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| 20:52.53 | justs0me | when i do the apt-get install kernel-nvidia-$(uname-r) i get package kernel... had no installation candidate |
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| 20:54.13 | justs0me | it says it is not available, but is referred to by another package. |
| 20:54.46 | sharp15 | if interfaces is how i specify a static ip how do i specify a dns server, because now the machine can't find the repos. or google but it can find my other machines by ip. |
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| 20:54.49 | Guerin | justs0me: you need to update your kernel |
| 20:55.19 | redtape | can i ask a question? |
| 20:55.22 | chops | justs0me: Do you have non-free in sources.list? |
| 20:55.27 | chops | sharp15: /etc/resolv.conf |
| 20:55.41 | justs0me | chops: i dont know hwo to put it in there |
| 20:56.19 | sharp15 | chops: i can ignore the "do not edit" warning? |
| 20:56.27 | tarzeau | can someone think of a description for this font? http://www.radisnoir.net/spip.php?page=detaille&id_document=8&id_rubrique=4 |
| 20:56.32 | tolecnal | http://xrl.us/bcgk4 |
| 20:56.34 | chops | justs0me: man sources.list to learn about the format, edit /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 20:56.57 | chops | sharp15: No, you should read it. Mine doesn't have such a warning. |
| 20:57.37 | chops | justs0me: (That's assuming that the lack of it is causing your problem; it might be there already and something else might be the matter.) |
| 20:57.43 | sneex | ignore.d.server ? |
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| 20:58.01 | sharp15 | chops: this system was previously using dhcp, would that be the reason the warning is in resolv.conf? |
| 20:58.16 | guillaume1 | is it possible to use SAGEM bluetooth headset under debian ? someone know about that ? |
| 20:58.19 | chops | sharp15: I'm not sure. |
| 20:58.27 | chops | sharp15: I don't know what warning you're talking about. |
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| 20:58.52 | sharp15 | # Dynamic resolv.conf(5) file for glibc resolver(3) generated by resolvconf(8) |
| 20:58.52 | sharp15 | # DO NOT EDIT THIS FILE BY HAND -- YOUR CHANGES WILL BE OVERWRITTEN |
| 20:59.01 | redtape | ok, I'll ask anyway: I have an ext2 partition on my hard-drive, and I want to mount it to /mnt/data, I start up gparted and mount the partition, but i can only write to it as root. what am i doing wrong? |
| 20:59.14 | chops | sharp15: Ah, okay, so read the man pages about resolvconf to find out how to configure your DNS settings |
| 20:59.30 | sharp15 | chops: ok. sorry i bothered you. |
| 20:59.39 | tmv | redtape: nothing, edit your /etc/fstab., man fstab. |
| 20:59.52 | redtape | ok, thanks |
| 21:00.01 | chops | sharp15: No worries |
| 21:00.09 | redtape | i take it theres an option in there to set permissions |
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| 21:01.12 | ocy | www.hack3r.com |
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| 21:01.47 | tmv | redtape: yes. behavior depends on user/group of the folder that you are mounting the partition under aswell. |
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| 21:02.48 | tmv | redtape: check "man chmod" too, that might help. |
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| 21:03.03 | tmv | redtape: "man chmod" aswell. |
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| 21:03.10 | redtape | ok, thanks tmv |
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| 21:03.34 | AKX | Hey.. A quick iptables question. How would I forward traffic coming in on eth1 port 80 to, say, 192.168.1.100:80 on eth0? |
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| 21:06.15 | lord_rob | Hello ! How comes I'm not prompted to auto mount my usb key or my cdrom in kde when I insert it ? My Sid system has been constantly upgraded since before Sarge was stable. |
| 21:06.42 | dkr | AKX: http://netfilter.org/documentation/HOWTO//NAT-HOWTO-6.html#ss6.2 |
| 21:06.43 | tolecnal | http://tinyurl.com/32es8u |
| 21:06.57 | AKX | Lovely, thank you dkr |
| 21:07.10 | streuner | tolecnal: whats that? |
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| 21:07.23 | neo2dot0 | how do I enable debian to play mp3? |
| 21:07.35 | streuner | tolecnal: Please dont paste random URLs here |
| 21:07.39 | justs0me | chops: i still dont get what to put for that sources for that non-free stuff |
| 21:07.47 | tolecnal | streuner: sorry, that was not meant for here... |
| 21:07.55 | streuner | neo2dot0: install a mp3 player, done |
| 21:07.56 | anibel | why does debian not have ppp ability from install? |
| 21:07.58 | tmv | neo2dot0: by installing corresponding mp3 player ? |
| 21:08.20 | tmv | anibel: it does, apt-get install pppd. |
| 21:08.24 | dkr | anibel: why don't you read the install instructions that tell you how to install via ppp? |
| 21:08.26 | neo2dot0 | I have installed amarok, there is a codec missing. |
| 21:08.30 | tmv | anibel: it's on first ISO CD, too. |
| 21:09.14 | anibel | dkr: i dont look hard enough sometimes |
| 21:09.22 | tolecnal | streuner: again, I'm sorry. won't happen again |
| 21:09.43 | streuner | nm then |
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| 21:09.52 | h3sp4wn | neo2dot0: libxine-ffmpeg ? |
| 21:09.54 | chops | justs0me: pastebin your sources.list and I'll tell you |
| 21:10.11 | tmv | by, the way.. what happened to apt-setup ? |
| 21:10.27 | tmv | it's not in etch, afaik ? |
| 21:10.30 | neo2dot0 | h3sp4wn: ach den brauch ich. danke für die info |
| 21:10.31 | streuner | !apt-setup |
| 21:10.31 | dpkg | i guess apt-setup is a means of adding a Debian mirror to your APT sources. To install from a cd-rom ask me about <apt-cdrom>. apt-setup is no longer available as a .deb (usable on an installed system) in etch and later since base-config was removed (http://lists.debian.org/debian-boot/2006/01/msg00199.html). <apt-spy> or 'netselect-apt' can be used instead. |
| 21:10.48 | tmv | cool. |
| 21:11.03 | dkr | anibel: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/apds05.html.en |
| 21:11.08 | Ryan52 | How can you set emacs up so you can run it in x mode or not in x mode. I tried installing emacs21 and emacs21-nox but apt-get says its one or the other. |
| 21:11.08 | tmv | i got back to "IT" after several years, woody was the last OS i used. |
| 21:11.10 | justs0me | i dont know how to do pastebin, but i only have 3 lines in it |
| 21:11.22 | justs0me | chops: i dont know how to do pastebin, but i only have 3 lines in it |
| 21:11.29 | tmv | so i was quite sad, when i got "command not found" after new install. |
| 21:11.33 | chops | justs0me: pastebin is easy. Follow the link, paste your sources.list into it. |
| 21:11.40 | chops | !tell justs0me about pastebin |
| 21:11.47 | dkr | justs0me: learning how woul dhave taken less time than typing that you don't know how. just follow the link in your browser. :) |
| 21:11.52 | Guerin | tmv: use netselect-apt or apt-spy |
| 21:12.21 | tmv | Guerin: my apt.sources are alright, i was just wondering. i liked apt-setup :( |
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| 21:12.28 | Guerin | Ryan52: install emacs21, and when you want it without x, start it with emacs -nw |
| 21:12.35 | Guerin | tmv: aww. |
| 21:12.48 | Ryan52 | thanks Guerin |
| 21:13.07 | Guerin | Ryan52: i alias e="emacs -nw" so my workflow is e somefile |
| 21:13.14 | Guerin | it's eeeeeeeasy |
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| 21:13.31 | Ryan52 | thanks again |
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| 21:15.24 | psi | is airport express on ppc working on debian? i know it used to work on ubuntu, but broke with the latest release |
| 21:16.07 | error0327 | how to piled a bridge between the eth0 and the Wifi ? |
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| 21:16.15 | redtape | ok, i have read man chmod and man fstab |
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| 21:16.48 | redtape | what permission digit should i use on my file partition? I want read and write for all users |
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| 21:17.49 | neo2dot0 | redtape: how about umask=000 ? |
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| 21:17.57 | redtape | what does umask do? |
| 21:18.37 | guillaume1 | why there's no audio.service in /etc/bluetooth in debian ? |
| 21:18.39 | JYL57 | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:18.39 | dpkg | The umask or user mask is the set of permissions which are *not* set on files and directories that are created with a default set of permissions. For example, a umask of 0022; would mean that files would be created with 644 permissions by default, directories with 755. help umask; or man 2 umask and info coreutils 'File Permissions'; for further details. (You may have to install manpages-dev if you don't have the umask manpa |
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| 21:18.54 | justs0me | chops: http://rafb.net/p/T7Xer474.html |
| 21:18.55 | ribnitz | heyas |
| 21:19.02 | redtape | wow |
| 21:19.07 | redtape | a lot of information there |
| 21:19.14 | ribnitz | whats the most recent packaged kernel, anything newer than 22.2? |
| 21:19.18 | error0327 | can any one help ? |
| 21:19.27 | error0327 | i ask how to piled a bridge between the eth0 and the Wifi ? |
| 21:19.43 | chops | !info linux-image-2.6-686 |
| 21:19.46 | dpkg | linux-image-2.6-686: (Linux 2.6 image on PPro/Celeron/PII/PIII/P4), section admin, is optional. Version: 2.6.22+11 (sid), Packaged size: 2 kB, Installed size: 8 kB |
| 21:19.47 | redtape | ok, i dont really understand umask |
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| 21:19.57 | neo2dot0 | umask=000 in fstab sets the drive readable, writeable and executable for everybody. |
| 21:19.58 | redtape | im sorry, can someone explain? |
| 21:20.05 | redtape | ah ok |
| 21:20.12 | chops | justs0me: Okay, so change "main" on each of those three lines to "main non-free" |
| 21:20.30 | redtape | so I need to include umask=000 in my line in fstab for that partition? |
| 21:20.33 | chops | justs0me: The words after "etch" indicate sections of Debian you want |
| 21:20.48 | chops | justs0me: You proabably want to add "contrib" to the first line as well |
| 21:20.54 | ribnitz | neo2dot0: umask is what is ORed with the priv flags. |
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| 21:21.22 | neo2dot0 | redtape: yes, in the options. |
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| 21:21.27 | redtape | ok, thank you |
| 21:22.07 | ribnitz | redtape: note that some people will consider you evil if you use non-free or contrib software. |
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| 21:22.22 | redtape | I'm sorry? what do you mean? |
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| 21:22.41 | mikefoo | Ok, how do I correctly add users to a group? I edit /etc/groups manually, and when I login as the users, and do 'groups' it doesn't show that I am in the group. |
| 21:22.41 | error0327 | where i can found some info about belding a bridge between the eth0 and the Wifi ? |
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| 21:22.51 | Diamond | Hi. |
| 21:22.56 | Diamond | i am installing kde |
| 21:22.58 | chops | redtape: He meant to say that to justs0me |
| 21:22.59 | Diamond | atm |
| 21:23.02 | redtape | ah ok |
| 21:23.05 | redtape | thought so |
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| 21:23.49 | chops | justs0me: Also, I don't know of anyone who will actually consider you evil. Some people prefer not to use it on their own machines, though. |
| 21:23.52 | mikefoo | I am root and I do # groups user1 - It tells me the right group, but when login as user1, it not listing the group, Why is this? |
| 21:23.56 | ribnitz | redtape: as an example. There is PDF. To read pdf there is xpdf, but there is also adobe (acrobat) reader. The latter has more functions, and most consider it nicer to look at, etc; but it is not "freely licensed" software (you cannot distribute adapted copies of it). |
| 21:24.27 | redtape | ribnitz: i'm the guy with the filesystem problems, not the software ones :) |
| 21:24.29 | justs0me | chops: ? use what |
| 21:24.36 | Diamond | it gives the error KUniqueApplication: Can't determine DISPLAY. Aborting |
| 21:24.41 | chops | justs0me: contrib and non-free software |
| 21:24.42 | Diamond | how can i fix it |
| 21:24.42 | psi | is anyone running the broadcom driver for airport express here, on ppc? |
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| 21:24.48 | chops | !anyone |
| 21:24.49 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone uses <someprogram>. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use <someprogram>?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls> |
| 21:24.50 | ribnitz | redtape: you mean with thew umask thing? |
| 21:25.04 | Diamond | its just a simple s3 graph card |
| 21:25.12 | redtape | ok, now I am thoroughly confused |
| 21:25.14 | justs0me | chops: why dont people use it ? |
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| 21:25.23 | Diamond | it gives the error KUniqueApplication: Can't determine DISPLAY. Aborting |
| 21:25.24 | redtape | you were talking to me after all? |
| 21:25.27 | redtape | I'm sorry |
| 21:26.18 | Diamond | anyone knows what to do ? |
| 21:26.23 | mikefoo | I am root and I do # groups user1 - It tells me the right group, but when login as user1, it not listing the group, Why is this? |
| 21:26.29 | Diamond | it has no display at all only ssh |
| 21:26.30 | chops | justs0me: Basically, because they can't control it. Some people feel it's unwise to run software locally that can't be examined or modified locally, and unethical to write software that runs on other's machines that's not capable of being examined or modified locally. |
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| 21:27.24 | dcordero_ | hi |
| 21:27.24 | chops | justs0me: The software in 'non-free' all has various degrees of restriction which make it incapable of being modified and/or redistributed. |
| 21:27.43 | redtape | ok, my fstab line for the partition i want to mount now looks like this: /dev/hda5 /mnt/data ext2 defaults, umask=000 0 0 |
| 21:27.49 | redtape | is that correct? |
| 21:28.45 | dcordero_ | i am using debian sid. But i have problems with gnome-network-config. On "ubuntu" i have see that the people have the option for configure his ip address, dns, etc... but i havent this options, only appear a list of wifi networks |
| 21:28.51 | justs0me | chops: oh well the only thing i need is the nvidia drivers with 3D acceleration support |
| 21:29.00 | error0327 | mister chops you know any think about bridge between the eth0 and the Wifi ? if yes please help me |
| 21:29.07 | error0327 | mister chops you know any think about bridge between the eth0 and the Wifi ? if yes please help me |
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| 21:29.19 | chops | !ask to ask |
| 21:29.19 | dpkg | Don't ask to ask. Don't ask if anybody can help you with x. Just ask! If you're unsure how to phrase your question, ask me about <ask>. |
| 21:29.31 | keith4 | is there a pre-built nvidia module in lenny? |
| 21:29.37 | keith4 | if there is, i can't seem to find it |
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| 21:30.16 | _Sam-- | sorry for offbeat question -- any recommendation for a usb to serial adapter that is known to work? |
| 21:30.44 | keith4 | _Sam--: Rosewill |
| 21:30.44 | redtape | should my line work? it doesnt seem to be... |
| 21:30.47 | redtape | /dev/hda5 /mnt/data ext2 defaults, umask=000 0 0 |
| 21:31.01 | redtape | do i need to have the "defaults" bit in it? |
| 21:31.05 | keith4 | take the space out between defaults, and umask |
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| 21:31.11 | redtape | ok |
| 21:31.14 | _Sam-- | keith4: they make usb versions? |
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| 21:31.30 | jelly-home | redtape: what are you trying to do? |
| 21:31.32 | keith4 | yes, I have one |
| 21:31.36 | _Sam-- | nm, found that brand at newegg, usb to serial. |
| 21:31.41 | _Sam-- | keith4: what module do you load for it? |
| 21:31.46 | redtape | mount a file partition to /mnt/data |
| 21:32.16 | jelly-home | redtape: what is the problem? |
| 21:32.39 | keith4 | eh, I dunno |
| 21:33.26 | Diamond | jelly-home : perhaps you can help me |
| 21:33.26 | _Sam-- | all you know is you plugged it in, booted your debian box, and it worked? |
| 21:33.26 | ribnitz | redtape: what do you need the umask for? |
| 21:33.26 | keith4 | i know that Wyzard uses it in linux |
| 21:33.26 | redtape | jelly-home: the permissions are all odd |
| 21:33.26 | keith4 | it comes with drivers, actually |
| 21:33.26 | keith4 | it even works in OS X |
| 21:33.26 | redtape | it only lets me write to the partition as root |
| 21:33.26 | _Sam-- | i only want to use it under debian etch :) |
| 21:33.31 | jelly-home | redtape: that's normal |
| 21:33.32 | _Sam-- | and was hoping to find something i could just 'modprobe' or load up |
| 21:33.36 | redtape | apparently if i set umask=000 then this will fix the problem |
| 21:33.39 | _Sam-- | not have to build or install additional drivers |
| 21:33.50 | redtape | Jelly-home: i dont want it to be like that though :P |
| 21:33.54 | jelly-home | redtape: well, that won't work on a unix filesystem like ext2 |
| 21:34.04 | redtape | ok, how do i change it then? |
| 21:34.09 | redtape | is it possible? |
| 21:34.47 | jelly-home | redtape: mount it, then chown to whatever user you want to have full access |
| 21:34.47 | chops | redtape: Does this filesystem come from a different system, perhaps with a different /etc/passwd file? |
| 21:34.50 | error0327 | mister <jelly-home> you know any think about bridge between the eth0 and the Wifi ? if yes please help me |
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| 21:35.14 | Q3Man | given a list of packages (such as from apt-show-versions) is there a tool to download the associated .deb? I'm trying to create a partial mirror of only the installed packages on a system. |
| 21:35.24 | redtape | chops: nope, its on the same hard-drive as my root partition |
| 21:35.24 | chops | error0327: You're wasting time. Just ask your question; if someone knows, they'll try to help you. |
| 21:35.31 | _Sam-- | keith4 just fyi : that rosewill uses 'modprobe pl2303' |
| 21:35.31 | abrotman | Q3Man: give a sample |
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| 21:35.44 | _Sam-- | and is supported by default in etch, at least mine. |
| 21:35.57 | keith4 | i think hotplug finds it |
| 21:36.00 | _Sam-- | thanks for pointing me that way, gonna give it a shot. |
| 21:36.09 | keith4 | it just creates an additional serial device in /dev |
| 21:36.12 | redtape | jelly-home: so then i just chown it to me, then i can do whatever on it? |
| 21:36.19 | _Sam-- | should be /dev/ttyUSB0 |
| 21:36.22 | _Sam-- | or something thereabout |
| 21:36.26 | jelly-home | redtape: that's what permissions are for. |
| 21:36.28 | redtape | and i take out the umask bit from the fstab file |
| 21:36.32 | ribnitz | Whats the current autobuilt kernel (for sid+experimental?) |
| 21:36.34 | redtape | ok, thanks mate |
| 21:36.41 | Q3Man | for example, given 'cpio/gutsy' I'd like to download the associated deb to the current directory |
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| 21:36.53 | chops | !info linux-image-2.6-686 |
| 21:36.57 | dpkg | linux-image-2.6-686: (Linux 2.6 image on PPro/Celeron/PII/PIII/P4), section admin, is optional. Version: 2.6.22+11 (sid), Packaged size: 2 kB, Installed size: 8 kB |
| 21:37.00 | abrotman | Q3Man: this is #debian .. not #ubuntu |
| 21:37.08 | ribnitz | Q3Man: apt-get -d foobarbaz? |
| 21:37.12 | _Sam-- | keith4: you havent had any problems with yours 'disappearing' from linux while its plugged in? ive read some of those stories. |
| 21:37.13 | justs0me | whats linux-image |
| 21:37.18 | Q3Man | would it help if I said 'cpio/sid'? |
| 21:37.21 | chops | justs0me: The linux kernel |
| 21:37.25 | chops | Q3Man: no |
| 21:37.26 | abrotman | Q3Man: man apt-get .. see --show-uris or wahtever it is |
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| 21:37.45 | jelly-home | apt-get --print-uris afair |
| 21:37.49 | ribnitz | justs0me: The only thing you could call Linux. |
| 21:37.57 | redtape | so, now that i own the partition, what about other users? |
| 21:38.02 | redtape | can they access it? |
| 21:38.14 | jelly-home | !permissions |
| 21:38.14 | dpkg | For more information on permissions, read info coreutils 'File Permissions' and http://wooledge.org/mywiki/Permissions or http://www.comptechdoc.org/os/linux/usersguide/linux_ugfilesp.html - for even further info see these http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unix_permission and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chmod, or follow the setuid and setgid links found in the wikipedia pages, or http://wiki.debian.org/Permissions |
| 21:38.26 | redtape | ok :) |
| 21:38.43 | ribnitz | redtape: mkdir foobar (dir owned by foobar); chown 0700 foobar (owner:rwx, others, group: no access) |
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| 21:39.03 | justs0me | when trying to install nvidia-glx it wants to install 18.4 install and not 18.5 kernel |
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| 21:39.11 | redtape | ribnitz: ok, thanks |
| 21:39.49 | redtape | excellent, everything works |
| 21:39.54 | ribnitz | redtape: if you need stronger protection, you might want to look at crypting the thing. |
| 21:39.58 | jelly-home | ribnitz: it will be worth even more when he reads about what "group" and "others" mean |
| 21:40.02 | dcordero_ | i am using debian sid. But i have problems with gnome-network-config. On "ubuntu" i have see that the people have the option for configure his ip address, dns, etc... but i havent this options, only appear a list of wifi networks. How can i get this option? |
| 21:40.10 | keith4 | _Sam-- I only use it with a laptop to configure cisco equipment... isn't often plugged in |
| 21:40.19 | redtape | jelly-home: dont worry, I know what they mean |
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| 21:40.39 | _Sam-- | do you need a null modem cable for that type of connection? |
| 21:40.51 | chops | dcordero_: You'll probably have better luck editing /etc/network/interfaces on Debian than you will running a configuration tool |
| 21:40.54 | redtape | this is awesome, thanks to IRC I solved two problems this week: wireless internet and setting up my harddrive :) |
| 21:40.59 | jelly-home | redtape: eh, if you knew you wouldn't be asking the questions you do. ;-) |
| 21:41.05 | ribnitz | redtape: umask is usually used to give certain permissions on filesystems that dont support them, aka. FAT16/FAT32 |
| 21:41.22 | _Sam-- | im wondering if i will need a null modem cable, to use that adapter to connect two linux servers for remote serial console |
| 21:41.31 | _Sam-- | or if a regular serial cable will work to that adapter |
| 21:41.33 | justs0me | why when trying to install nvidia-glx it wants to install 18.4 install and not 18.5 kernel? |
| 21:41.36 | psi | is anyone running the broadcom driver for airport express here, on ppc? |
| 21:41.44 | chops | !anyone |
| 21:41.44 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone uses <someprogram>. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use <someprogram>?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls> |
| 21:41.45 | chops | (again) |
| 21:42.00 | psi | using, meaning, does it work |
| 21:42.17 | guillaume1 | why there's no audio.service in /etc/bluetooth in debian lenny ? (bluez-utils) |
| 21:42.19 | chops | psi: TIAS? |
| 21:42.21 | psi | that's the real question |
| 21:42.31 | psi | chops: what? |
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| 21:42.38 | chops | psi: The fact that it works for someone else might not mean that it works for you, and vice versa. Try It And See |
| 21:42.53 | chops | psi: If you have trouble, describe your problem here and people may be able to help you |
| 21:43.10 | abrotman | psi: uhm .. i have a PPC mini wiht wifi .. but i can't remember if it's the 11g or 11b version |
| 21:43.10 | redtape | group = a group of users that you can use to sort of mass-set-permissions for, others im not so sure on |
| 21:43.33 | redtape | I've only been using linux for about 2 months |
| 21:43.35 | psi | chops: i don't have debian installed. i wanted to know beforehand. |
| 21:43.39 | jelly-home | _Sam--: connection to cisco eq. is usually established with a "rollover" cable (which is neither a nullmodem nor a normal serial cable ;-) |
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| 21:43.48 | chops | psi: Try a liveCD is my advice |
| 21:43.55 | sharp15 | are the nvidia-legacy drivers available on testing? |
| 21:43.57 | abrotman | psi: if you know which wifi the PPC 1.4 mini has .. i can tell you that mine does work :) |
| 21:44.05 | abrotman | 1.4Ghz |
| 21:44.06 | ribnitz | redtape: user: yourself; group: a group of users, as specified, others: everyone else. |
| 21:44.08 | _Sam-- | yeah, i have a couple of those cables -- they are more like network cat5 cables |
| 21:44.16 | jelly-home | _Sam--: you usually get a blue serial cable with your cisco hw |
| 21:44.23 | psi | abrotman: sounds promising. i think the mini has very similar hardware. |
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| 21:44.38 | redtape | ribnitz: thanks :) |
| 21:44.45 | abrotman | !ppc |
| 21:44.46 | dpkg | i heard ppc is is short for <powerpc>, and powerpc is the superior architecture. You worship it, and wish you were running on it. Check out http://www.debian.org/ports/powerpc/ or visit #debianppc |
| 21:44.46 | _Sam-- | jelly-home : what about my question, though -- can i use a regular serial cable to setup remote serial console using a usb to serial adapter? |
| 21:44.55 | _Sam-- | or will i still need a null modem adapter / cable |
| 21:45.01 | ribnitz | redtape: note, you need extended privs to set multiple gorups of users. |
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| 21:45.13 | keith4 | how do I build the nvidia module in testing? |
| 21:45.24 | keith4 | i wanted to use module-assistant, but it can't find the source |
| 21:45.27 | redtape | ribnitz: you mean like root privs? |
| 21:45.34 | jelly-home | _Sam--: it's still a serial port on the computer side, so nul-modem |
| 21:46.04 | _Sam-- | thank for your knowledge, as always. |
| 21:46.10 | ribnitz | redtape: no, I mean if you have group1, and group2 (with different rights), and you cant cover that with the others metaphor |
| 21:46.16 | redtape | ah ok |
| 21:46.17 | jelly-home | _Sam--: oh btw, if you have a crapload of those light-blue rollover cables, they can be used in place of null-modem cables between two pcs for some reason |
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| 21:46.19 | guillaume1 | keith4: you want to use nvidia source or those from debian ? |
| 21:46.40 | _Sam-- | jelly: i do have 2 of them around. thanks. |
| 21:46.47 | _Sam-- | they are pretty |
| 21:47.09 | keith4 | guillaume1: debian |
| 21:47.19 | keith4 | I use the binary package in etch |
| 21:47.23 | keith4 | but this stupid box has lenny on it |
| 21:47.29 | keith4 | and it had an ATI card, but I replaced it |
| 21:47.50 | guillaume1 | keith4: can't help u I use nvidia source for compiz-fusion |
| 21:47.58 | jelly-home | _Sam--: they only work with xon/xoff (not hardware flow control), but it's good enough if you need a quick way to connect two pcs via serial |
| 21:48.11 | redtape | another question: do i need to mount this partition every time i boot? or will it mount automatically? |
| 21:48.27 | keith4 | unless you specifify "noauto", it should automount it |
| 21:48.39 | redtape | excellent excellent |
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| 21:49.17 | redtape | right well, thanks for all your help guys. I appreciate it, thanks for making my linux life easier :) |
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| 21:51.14 | ribnitz | redtape: Only string attached, If you know someone, and can help them, with linux please do. |
| 21:51.32 | ribnitz | redtape: In other words, spread the knowledge. |
| 21:51.44 | _Sam-- | jelly-home : i have no idea how things work, but if you can make usb a serial port, why cant linux so remote console, over a USB connection? |
| 21:51.50 | _Sam-- | rather than only remote serial console |
| 21:52.00 | _Sam-- | so = do |
| 21:52.03 | pzn | Hi, I'm using debian etch and intend to migrate from postgresql 7.4 to 8.1. is there anything I should know? or just aptitude install it will go nice? thanks in advance! |
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| 21:52.33 | ribnitz | _Sam--: usb connections are always client server, not peer to peer. |
| 21:52.38 | _Sam-- | seems to stupid to be converting USB --> Serial --> USB on both my machines, to make a serial console |
| 21:52.39 | jelly-home | _Sam--: is it a trick question? I don't know, why couldn't it? |
| 21:52.58 | keith4 | _Sam-- do you not have a network? |
| 21:53.04 | keith4 | you might want to look at "ser2net" |
| 21:53.12 | _Sam-- | i do. but when servers crash, having it log to a network host isnt effective. |
| 21:53.33 | _Sam-- | im trying to debug kernel bugs and crashes via console, remotely. |
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| 21:54.43 | redtape | hehe, I've been trying to get a few friends into linux |
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| 21:55.08 | keith4 | _Sam-- maybe get an actual serial card? |
| 21:55.09 | redtape | all of them are currently "billy's boys" but the tide will soon turn |
| 21:55.18 | redtape | right well im off |
| 21:55.20 | _Sam-- | keith4: t hat doesnt solve anything. |
| 21:55.27 | _Sam-- | it just creates more work |
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| 21:55.36 | _Sam-- | easier to plug in a usb to serial, than install a pci card. |
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| 21:55.58 | _Sam-- | (and i think the usb to serial adapters are cheaper than a pci card, too) |
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| 21:56.11 | keith4 | until your USB to serial adapters start "disappearing" from /dev |
| 21:56.13 | keith4 | then it's not easier |
| 21:56.34 | _Sam-- | the same machine has a couple other usb dongles attached, that have never disappeared. |
| 21:56.58 | guillaume1 | bluez packages are too old for managing audio.service http://wiki.bluez.org/wiki/HOWTO/AudioDevices , when will they upgrade ? |
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| 21:58.27 | _Sam-- | of course, last year i threw out my old 64 port cyclades serial adapter from old ISP days. could have come in handly. |
| 21:58.30 | _Sam-- | handy, too |
| 22:00.15 | nvz | ugh, wtf are those fake email bins called? for sites you know damn well are lying about not spamming you or giving out your email? |
| 22:00.27 | nvz | where you can just give them a fake address and go to the site to fetch it |
| 22:00.31 | jelly-home | _Sam--: decent server machines have virtual console and serial accessible via ssh these days |
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| 22:00.47 | jelly-home | nvz: mailinator.com is mostly blocked everywhere ;-) |
| 22:00.55 | nvz | heh |
| 22:00.57 | _Sam-- | jelly-home : how is that a function of the server machine or hardware? |
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| 22:01.12 | _Sam-- | Piet: i have a decent server machine -- nice dual proc AMD64 |
| 22:01.17 | nvz | I cant find one on google, don't know the right search keyword |
| 22:01.18 | _Sam-- | er, damn nick completion |
| 22:02.06 | jelly-home | _Sam--: well for starters you need to buy hw with that. ;-) |
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| 22:02.23 | _Sam-- | how does the hardware support ssh? |
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| 22:02.37 | _Sam-- | i know you can get some terminal servers, that would do what you are saying. |
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| 22:02.44 | _Sam-- | but i didnt know that regular servers would do that |
| 22:02.47 | jelly-home | _Sam--: separate network card usually |
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| 22:03.09 | guillaume1 | I'm looking for a good server with redundant parts for running 3 virtual stable debian with xen ? Dell, HP, Fujitsu-siemens,etc... What would you advice to me ? |
| 22:03.17 | jelly-home | _Sam--: though new cheaper ones do it with a single eth and vlans |
| 22:03.44 | NicePics | Any one with blue icons in Visibility pager? |
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| 22:03.50 | _Sam-- | jelly-home : im not sure how well that would work -- if your box is crashing, and has no network, how is it going to send kernel oops or anything else over ssh? |
| 22:03.53 | Tramp | nvz: If you know one or two of such sites, you can search for link:<site1> link:<site2> and will probably end up with a site comparing or enumerating such services |
| 22:04.12 | heatman | Hello. I just formated a 1tb usb drive in FAT32. I was wondering how I can modify permissions so that all users can read/write/execute |
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| 22:04.44 | _Sam-- | unless the network card is run by something other than the OS |
| 22:04.54 | jelly-home | _Sam--: it works extremely well. You can connect to the console and take a screenshot, or have the virtual serial port opened all the time over ssh and just log everything |
| 22:05.04 | NicePics | heatman: mount with umask=007 I think |
| 22:05.37 | _Sam-- | jelly-home : i use that same setup with a remote server at EV1 servers. |
| 22:05.39 | jelly-home | _Sam--: remote management cards usually also have remote power-button support. |
| 22:05.48 | nvz | Tramp: I know of no such sites. I don't even know what they are called, I just know they exist. |
| 22:05.55 | nvz | mailinator seems to work for me though |
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| 22:06.06 | nvz | doesn't seem like I even needed to recieve anything for this |
| 22:06.14 | _Sam-- | i actually ssh to my serial console -- you're right, it does work ok. |
| 22:06.19 | nvz | they just wanted an email address, which they are not getting |
| 22:06.38 | Tramp | nvz: I use spamgourmet.com since years |
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| 22:06.52 | nvz | I believe cnn, that most these fuckers outright lie about their privacy/spam policies |
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| 22:08.12 | Obligatory | Backup software question. Does any backup software (for optical media) include 'dvdisaster' support? |
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| 22:08.43 | dondelelcaro | nvz: I personally often use foo+bar@wherever.com if I'm not sure |
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| 22:09.09 | dondelelcaro | nvz: that way I can at least receive e-mail, and later discard it all if there's a problem |
| 22:09.40 | jelly-home | dondelelcaro: at least a third of the sites out ther don't like + :-| |
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| 22:10.26 | _Sam-- | jelly-home : if i wanted to learn more about doing it the way you are describing, how can i learn more? ( a quick google search didnt yield much success). |
| 22:10.29 | Tramp | nvz: I suggest "disposable mail address" as search term. |
| 22:10.31 | stew | i use stew;drop database users;@domain.com as my email address |
| 22:10.34 | nvz | dondelelcaro: I don't understand that method |
| 22:10.41 | _Sam-- | i would like to be able to do the serial over ssh, or any other way besides a direct serial connect |
| 22:11.03 | nvz | Tramp: I'm cool, the thing doesnt need an email.. I can put anything in, I don't need to check it |
| 22:11.22 | _Sam-- | i would most likely have to buy some kind of remote serial server? |
| 22:11.22 | jelly-home | _Sam--: "lights-out management", HP's brand is "iLO", can't remember Sun, Dell, or IBM names but they have it too |
| 22:11.31 | nvz | and I've determined the software is crap anyhow so I'm done |
| 22:11.46 | nvz | last thing I needed to do was give them my email just to figure that out |
| 22:11.59 | abrotman | kvm over ip ? |
| 22:12.08 | _Sam-- | serial over ip |
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| 22:12.25 | jelly-home | _Sam--: also try looking for IPMI |
| 22:12.28 | nvz | something I can't help but wonder is why the hell male is like always BEFORE female when you're filling out these things.. I mean female comes first alphabetically |
| 22:12.49 | edistar | I keep forgetting, how do I set the default gcc version for the environment? |
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| 22:13.08 | stew | edistar: CC=/usr/bin/gcc-$someversion |
| 22:13.19 | jelly-home | nvz: #define MALE 0\n#define FEMALE 1? ;-) |
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| 22:13.34 | _Sam-- | jelly-home : thanks agian. |
| 22:13.40 | _Sam-- | again, too |
| 22:13.47 | nvz | jelly-home: even that way doesn't make sense.. obviously females are 0 and males are 1 |
| 22:13.51 | edistar | stew: thx |
| 22:13.54 | bzed | _Sam--: sun's LOM, ALOM and RCS work all very well in their machines |
| 22:14.01 | jelly-home | nvz: only physically |
| 22:14.06 | nvz | jelly-home: any way you look at it, females come first :P |
| 22:14.22 | jelly-home | nvz: er... not really ;-) |
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| 22:14.45 | jelly-home | nvz: well it's best to come at the same time, but |
| 22:15.01 | nvz | I got an endless stream of questions without answers.. many of which are gender gap related |
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| 22:15.23 | xterm | hi |
| 22:15.32 | xterm | I have some troubles with debian |
| 22:16.04 | xterm | when I start the system, always, the clock is set in a wrong time (hour) |
| 22:16.31 | Tramp | This channel should be R-rated |
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| 22:17.17 | nvz | personally I think ratings are overrated :-P |
| 22:18.19 | nvz | I've determined this with a fabricated apparatus of non-existant data, that clearly shows 99.9% of all ratings are in fact over rated |
| 22:18.32 | keith4 | what line should be in my sources.list for unstable security updates? |
| 22:18.42 | Obligatory | xterm: do you mean if you correct the time it's wrong after you reboot? |
| 22:18.50 | nvz | keith4: there are no unstable security updates |
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| 22:19.00 | nvz | keith4: its updates are its updates, thats that |
| 22:19.08 | keith4 | k |
| 22:19.20 | nvz | keith4: if you want security, you shouldnt be using something called unstable |
| 22:19.47 | sharp15 | is there a way to install gnome without all of the cruft (evince, totem, sound juicer, etc.) and get just the window manager without hand picking all of the gnome wm packages? |
| 22:19.54 | edistar | sry, but it doesn't seem to work, I did a 'set CC=/usr/bin/gcc-4.1' and it shows that setting if I do a $CC but the nvidia installer doesn't want to continue, tells me that gcc-4.2 is used |
| 22:19.58 | keith4 | i don't want to use it, but i want the damn nvidia packages |
| 22:20.19 | nvz | thats the dumbest thing I ever heard |
| 22:20.30 | keith4 | also, it's just a desktop machine |
| 22:20.31 | edistar | keith4: you can install nvidia drivers manually.. |
| 22:20.34 | keith4 | meh |
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| 22:20.43 | keith4 | etch was getting long in the teeth anyway |
| 22:20.46 | keith4 | it's time for a change |
| 22:20.57 | edistar | can anyone help me with me CC problem? |
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| 22:21.13 | nvz | well no... GWB once said: There's a huge trust. I see it all the time when people come up to me and say, "I don't want you to let me down again" |
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| 22:21.44 | jelly-home | nvz: funny guy! |
| 22:21.57 | nvz | jelly-home: yeah, I guess. |
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| 22:23.24 | eldowan | I've installed kdetheme, but am having trouble getting it to work on Lenny. Could someone lend a hand? I've asked in #kde, but no response |
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| 22:24.02 | raz | argh. anyone know how to tell an adaptec raid controller to offer its disks as JBOD to linux (no raid, no volumes, just act like a plain old SCSI controller)? |
| 22:24.53 | nvz | ugh.. I got damn spider guts stuck to my damn LCD now. |
| 22:25.06 | nvz | the fucker repelled down in front of the screen |
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| 22:25.38 | sharp15 | nvz: you could've waited to smash him when he wasn't on the screen. |
| 22:25.38 | valdyn | raz: read the bios output you see when booting? |
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| 22:26.20 | valdyn | raz: and enter that bios.. and configure raids. |
| 22:26.40 | raz | valdyn, i did. and as said, i don't want a raid, i just want the controller to act as a normal scsi controller. |
| 22:26.55 | valdyn | raz: yes, sure, trhat's configured at the same place obviously |
| 22:27.02 | keith4 | what he's saying is that you need to use the raid bios to set it to jbod |
| 22:27.07 | keith4 | if it can do jbod, that is |
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| 22:27.25 | dryrot | i need some help with lvs director, |
| 22:27.53 | valdyn | raz: and "adaptec raid controller" you could just say "any controller" as adaptec probably sold more than 100 different ones |
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| 22:28.14 | nvz | sharp15: too little, holding the screen up is the only way I could tell where he was :P |
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| 22:29.52 | raz | valdyn, sorry, i have the identical issue on an ASR-2230SLP and an ICP9024RO.. i think the adaptec bios is pretty much the same on all recent controllers, both are driven by aacraid |
| 22:29.52 | nvz | I leave the spiders alone until they get in my way.. last one I killed was because the bastard made a web where I had to walk.. but I had one in the bathroom for ages.. let him stay cause he made his web in a corner out of the way |
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| 22:30.41 | cafe_roy | q |
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| 22:30.54 | _Sam-- | i had an outdoor spider on my deck all summer, the amount of web spinning she would do per night was incredible. |
| 22:30.54 | valdyn | raz: its probably confusingly named "Single disk volume" or something silly as that |
| 22:31.09 | valdyn | raz: you dont need to look for jbod literally.. |
| 22:31.09 | dkdexter | hi, what is the best GUI ftp server for etch? |
| 22:31.26 | Ronin | gui ftp server?isnt that a contradition? |
| 22:31.27 | keith4 | GUI ftp.... server? |
| 22:31.40 | sharp15 | gdm and kdm are installed on this box how do i tell it to use kdm? |
| 22:32.05 | keith4 | remove gdm? |
| 22:32.09 | pike_ | dkdexter: there arent any gui tools for configuing ftp server that i know of other than pureadmin for pureftpd and ive never used that |
| 22:32.23 | dkdexter | ok |
| 22:32.41 | valdyn | dkdexter: maybe you really just want to use scp / ssh |
| 22:32.44 | valdyn | dkdexter: ftp is trash |
| 22:32.45 | sharp15 | keith4: that will require removing gnome as well, wont it? |
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| 22:33.03 | valdyn | dkdexter: scp is supported by about any filemanager |
| 22:33.15 | keith4 | sharp15: just don't have gdm start |
| 22:33.33 | sharp15 | keith4: how? |
| 22:33.43 | raz | valdyn, well, the bios can create volumes but those contain magic adaptec crap so we can't just move the disks to another server in case of emergency |
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| 22:33.59 | pike_ | dkdexter: is this a more prof setup or just for personal use? |
| 22:34.08 | dkdexter | personal use |
| 22:34.16 | dkdexter | n00b use |
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| 22:34.17 | valdyn | raz: i dont know much about taht.. |
| 22:34.18 | keith4 | take it out of /etc/rc*.d |
| 22:34.18 | dkdexter | :) |
| 22:34.24 | Ronin | dkdexter: install vsftpd as ftp servers go its pretty good, that or learn sftp |
| 22:34.36 | keith4 | sharp15; take it out of /etc/rc*.d |
| 22:34.36 | valdyn | raz: i can convert "Legacy disks" to "Single disk Volumes" without data loss |
| 22:34.39 | pike_ | dkdexter: id second just installing ssh server and using scp or sftp that is much easier to secure and it is pretty much setup out of the box when you install the package |
| 22:34.43 | vonnis | is it possible too find file n my windows partition whit debian and the other way around? |
| 22:34.46 | valdyn | raz: by just changing stuff in the bios |
| 22:34.55 | sharp15 | keith4: i have no idea what that is. |
| 22:35.28 | valdyn | raz: no idea what it really is that your controller does though.. |
| 22:35.34 | ribnitz | vonnis: windows has much more trouble with linux partitions.. |
| 22:35.35 | keith4 | go read about sys V init then |
| 22:35.38 | dkdexter | pike_>> i tried that, but the speed is way slow |
| 22:35.58 | Tramp | !tell sharp15 about nox |
| 22:35.59 | ribnitz | dkdexter: parameters. |
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| 22:36.12 | keith4 | you don't *need* gdm to use gnome |
| 22:36.14 | dkdexter | ? |
| 22:36.17 | Ronin | dkdexter: then you didnt set it up correctly |
| 22:36.17 | ribnitz | dkdexter: use symmetric crypto |
| 22:36.24 | keith4 | but I think gnome-desktop-environment probably depends on it |
| 22:36.45 | ribnitz | dkdexter: also, ssh takes quite some cpu on slower machines |
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| 22:37.19 | g2g591 | anyone have any experiance with splashy? |
| 22:37.26 | Ronin | we're running it on an old pos laptop at work for some stupid reason and we're getting decent speeds, dkdexter how old is the machine |
| 22:38.07 | ribnitz | Ronin: I mean pre-ghz speeds, pentium II or III |
| 22:38.14 | Ronin | ah |
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| 22:38.19 | dkdexter | its' a sempron 2600+, 512 ram |
| 22:38.37 | cafe_roy | sharp15: change /etc/X11/default-display-manager |
| 22:39.01 | xterm | I get this error message |
| 22:39.01 | valdyn | dkdexter: that cpu is fine for one user copying files via ssh |
| 22:39.02 | xterm | sophie:~# hwclock |
| 22:39.03 | xterm | <xterm> La ejecución de select() a /dev/rtc para esperar una señal de reloj expiró |
| 22:39.32 | valdyn | dkdexter: at maximum bandwidth.. if its slow that does not need to be the fault of ssh taking up much cpu |
| 22:39.42 | sharp15 | keith4: no i don't need gdm for gnome. but the gnome package is dependent on gdm which will be removed along with gnome-desktop-environment if i "apt-get remove gdm". |
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| 22:39.54 | sharp15 | cafe_roy: i'll give that a shot |
| 22:39.58 | lord_rob | Hi ! I'm runing KDE 3.5.8 on debian sid, and whenever I insert either a cdrom disc or an usb key, I'm not prompted if I want to mount it. Do I need to change some parameter ? I suspect a problem, and not a misconfiguration, but still ... |
| 22:40.35 | valdyn | lord_rob: misconfiguration or lack of a package. I dont know how kde does this. |
| 22:40.42 | valdyn | lord_rob: you could use ivman |
| 22:41.03 | lord_rob | valdyn: ivman ? What's that ? |
| 22:41.18 | valdyn | lord_rob: "apt-cache show ivman" |
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| 22:42.05 | sharp15 | Tramp: thank you. too much time using gentoo i guess. |
| 22:42.19 | keith4 | sharp15: what cafe_roy suggested is much better and easier than what i suggested, for the record |
| 22:42.55 | g2g591 | im having a bit of a problem with splashy, my progress bar freezes just a little after it gets started, and doesn't move unless i switch consoles and switch back, and if i dont switch consoles i get some sort of splashy timeout error |
| 22:43.02 | lord_rob | thanks valdyn |
| 22:43.27 | xaque | When I am creating a Logical Volume with LVM2, can I specity "all remaining" for the volume size? Or, how can I see how much is left so I know how big I can create? |
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| 22:43.57 | valdyn | xaque: no idea, you could specific a to large size and it will show the maximum |
| 22:44.07 | valdyn | s/specific/specify/ |
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| 22:44.51 | xaque | valdyn: tha maximum in what unit? I got confused when I saw that. |
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| 22:45.04 | valdyn | xaque: does that matter? |
| 22:45.13 | valdyn | xaque: lvcreate blahblah -L 100000000000 |
| 22:45.26 | valdyn | xaque: and it will reply with the maximum size |
| 22:45.50 | valdyn | xaque: extents i think |
| 22:45.59 | valdyn | xaque: at least if you use -l 10000000000000 |
| 22:46.03 | valdyn | xaque: just try.. |
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| 22:46.53 | Tramp | xaque: check with vgdisplay how much space/extends are free in the vg you want to create the lv in |
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| 22:47.53 | flyinprogramer | trying to mount a samba share, its throwing an error, syslog says: Dec 7 02:50:22 webbackup kernel: smbfs: mount_data version 1919251317 is not supported |
| 22:47.53 | flyinprogramer | ; what does it mean... better yet, how do i fix it? |
| 22:48.28 | vonnis | is there no universal file system that both linux and windows can use? |
| 22:48.40 | flyinprogramer | vonnis, samba |
| 22:48.46 | flyinprogramer | :P |
| 22:48.53 | vonnis | dpkg samba |
| 22:48.54 | dpkg | i guess samba is a Unix implementation of Windows file and print sharing (the SMB protocol), a good tutorial in English can be found at http://www.samba.org/samba/docs/using_samba/toc.html , or http://www.samba.org , or #samba, or read O'Reilly's book online (http://www.oreilly.com/catalog/samba2/book/toc.html), or #samba on irc.freenode.net, or <samba etch5> |
| 22:48.56 | flyinprogramer | for file shares that you can mount |
| 22:50.08 | flyinprogramer | so... yah |
| 22:50.21 | flyinprogramer | can you explain why it won't mount? |
| 22:50.22 | valdyn | xaque: ah, "lvcreate vg -l 100%FREE" |
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| 22:51.49 | valdyn | flyinprogramer: you should use cifs, not smbfs |
| 22:52.58 | flyinprogramer | honestly, all i'm trying to do is linux to linux, so if there's something even better for that... i'm open to ideas |
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| 22:53.26 | valdyn | flyinprogramer: cifs is just the "new" smbfs |
| 22:53.39 | flyinprogramer | alright... |
| 22:53.39 | valdyn | flyinprogramer: smbfs is deprecated and hardly supported anymore |
| 22:54.02 | valdyn | flyinprogramer: if you want to use something else, try nfs |
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| 22:56.18 | flyinprogramer | alright |
| 22:56.34 | flyinprogramer | and... if i wanted to do Mac OS X 10.5 and linux, any ideas? |
| 22:56.53 | minerale | how can I find the create date for a file? |
| 22:56.57 | Nyle | flyinprogramer: #debianppc |
| 22:57.07 | Tramp | minerale: nowhere |
| 22:57.14 | minerale | tramp: is it not saved on the filesystem? |
| 22:57.23 | Tramp | minerale: no, it isn't. |
| 22:57.31 | minerale | is it an ext3 thing? |
| 22:57.52 | Tramp | minerale: last access, last inode modification, last modification. But not creation. |
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| 22:58.39 | valdyn | flyinprogramer: what do you want to share? |
| 22:58.55 | minerale | tramp: how do I find those dates? |
| 22:58.56 | vonnis | but i want to use the same files on windows and debian its on 1 harddrive not over a network |
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| 22:59.20 | Tramp | minerale: man ls |
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| 22:59.54 | vonnis | is thAT possible |
| 23:00.02 | SexyKen | Hey all -- I'm having a problem with establishing SSH connections remotely to a debian server. It's a stock install, running OpenSSH. Delay is about 30-60 seconds. Though if I connect from the box to itself, I get an immediate connection. |
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| 23:00.07 | Diamond | hmm hmm.. |
| 23:00.23 | Diamond | it seems that i had a ssh webbrowser |
| 23:00.25 | SexyKen | And I'm connecting via IP |
| 23:00.26 | Diamond | but i forgot the name |
| 23:00.35 | Diamond | anyone remembers something ? |
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| 23:00.44 | Diamond | about a ssh webbrowser? |
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| 23:01.47 | dryrot | Diamond: i bet it's a ssh daemon GSSAPI problem |
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| 23:03.50 | valdyn | flyinprogramer: maybe scp is plenty, no need to mess around with filesystems and mounting |
| 23:03.50 | valdyn | flyinprogramer: but anyway, mac os x is a unix, so it's quite similar to linux |
| 23:03.50 | valdyn | minerale: stat <somefile>. that's all you can get |
| 23:03.52 | raz | valdyn, the problem is that these "single disk volumes" can not be read by normal scsi controllers. you get "unknown partition table". that's a nono for our servers, we don't want to depend on adaptec (and softraid is faster anyways). the only reason we have these raid cards is because we got a good deal on them and the specs read in plain english "JBOD support". thus, if it doesnt work, i'll just return them. |
| 23:04.54 | Tramp | vonnis: fat16/32. Check your linux system for fat support (vfat module, cat /proc/filesystems) |
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| 23:05.35 | streuner | Does a browser compare the files every time only for there name or by size too? |
| 23:06.21 | dcordero | streuner, line by line? |
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| 23:08.58 | neo2dot0 | Can you tell me a nice alternative for pidgin? It keeps crashing. |
| 23:10.00 | streuner | neo2dot0: What does 'dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1' say? |
| 23:10.08 | dcordero | neo2dot0, amsn is the best option i think |
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| 23:11.45 | neo2dot0 | ii libc6 2.7-3 GNU C Library: Shared libraries |
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| 23:13.16 | neo2dot0 | streuner: why? |
| 23:14.00 | streuner | well, you are using unstable... |
| 23:14.23 | neo2dot0 | testing |
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| 23:19.41 | streuner | !info libc6 testing |
| 23:19.48 | dpkg | libc6: (GNU C Library: Shared libraries), section libs, is required. Version: 2.7-3 (lenny), Packaged size: 4374 kB, Installed size: 10592 kB |
| 23:20.11 | streuner | hm |
| 23:20.17 | azeem | too bad |
| 23:20.21 | azeem | now you gotta answer! |
| 23:20.38 | streuner | never mind, we could ask for the sources.list too :-) |
| 23:21.25 | rahul | neo2dot0: pidgin doesn't crash for me |
| 23:21.55 | rahul | ii pidgin 2.2.0-1 |
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| 23:23.18 | azeem | neo2dot0: does it crash on startup? Or during some reproducable operation? |
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| 23:23.38 | neo2dot0 | azeem: it crashes arbitrarily. |
| 23:23.58 | azeem | try to run it in gdb then, maybe |
| 23:24.00 | streuner | neo2dot0: what does BTS say about? |
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| 23:25.04 | neo2dot0 | What are gdb and BTS? |
| 23:25.24 | azeem | !gdb |
| 23:25.25 | dpkg | it has been said that gdb is see manual at http://www.gnu.org/software/gdb/documentation/ , or run "gdb myprogramname" and when the "gdb" prompt comes up type "run" (or "run arg1 arg2..."). If/when your program receives a fatal signal, type "where" to get a stack trace, and send that to the maintainer. |
| 23:25.25 | streuner | GNU Debugger |
| 23:25.29 | azeem | !bts |
| 23:25.29 | dpkg | from memory, bts is the Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or http://bugs.debian.org/bugnumber apt-get install reportbug, and check out <querybts> too. Users of sid and lenny are required to check the BTS, useful for sid and lenny: apt-get install apt-listbugs, or apt-get install apt-listchanges |
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| 23:25.58 | neo2dot0 | ah, thank you |
| 23:25.59 | sorear | neo2dot0: also, gdb is #1 and bts is #5 on their respective google search first pages |
| 23:25.59 | streuner | you need to know how to handle gdb... |
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| 23:27.03 | _Sam-- | isnt it easier to use gdb after your program crashes, and you have a core to look at? |
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| 23:27.07 | sorear | anyone know how to disable exim's "no immediate delivery: more than 10 messages received in one connection" feature, and if so how? |
| 23:27.34 | streuner | _Sam--: BTS is easier, IMHO ;-) |
| 23:27.43 | sorear | _Sam--: not really, gdb will trap signals anyways, and having a live process means you can use it as a repl |
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| 23:29.15 | jetscreamer | hey i know how to connect to wireless with tkip/secured whatever, but what is the syntax you would use with wpa_supplicant to connect to an unsecured wireless network |
| 23:29.20 | chun | hi all |
| 23:29.23 | sorear | hello |
| 23:29.36 | chun | anyone here runs mutt inside of screen on lenny? |
| 23:29.54 | jetscreamer | or just 'how do i connect to an unsecured wireless network' |
| 23:29.55 | chun | for some reason, things don't get displayed correctly.. |
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| 23:30.22 | jetscreamer | you might look at dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config or so, but not sure |
| 23:30.29 | chun | there are blank lines at places and when i move the cursor up and down, lines get shifted around |
| 23:30.39 | sorear | chun: I had a problem once with charset confusion - make sure all the utf8 options are set right |
| 23:30.59 | sorear | chun: oh, sounds like something is confused about insert-delete line sequences |
| 23:31.02 | minus198 | Is it possible to make "ls" to list all the directories first and then the files? Cause now it prints them out in alphabetical order. |
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| 23:31.04 | chun | i can't work out if its mutt or screen that is doing that |
| 23:31.30 | sharp15 | jetscreamer: network={ ssid="Your AP" key_mgmt=NONE } |
| 23:31.31 | chun | i mean, mutt displays fine by itself, and screen displays everything else fine |
| 23:31.47 | dondelelcaro | chun: some times whacking ^a^l a few times is necessary |
| 23:31.57 | eldowan | can someone lend a hand in enabling KDM themes? I've tried everything I could find online, and nothing seems to help. I've edited /etc/kde3/kdm/kdmrc /etc/default/kdm.d/10_desktop-base and tried using the package kdmtheme and nothing works. |
| 23:32.13 | chun | dondelelcaro: yeah, i tried that, but still the same... which makes me think its not screen's fault:/ |
| 23:32.23 | sharp15 | jetscreamer: should resemble a c function definition |
| 23:32.24 | streuner | eldowan: ever tried kde-look.org ? |
| 23:32.32 | dondelelcaro | chun: could be that mutt isn't detecting the terminal width correctly |
| 23:32.40 | sorear | minus198: not easily |
| 23:32.45 | eldowan | streuner: indeed I have, that was the first place I've looked and followed those directions also. |
| 23:32.46 | minus198 | sorear, x| |
| 23:32.52 | BudgetDedicated | cannot create /dev/log: Cannot allocate memory << any ideas? the system now has no /dev/log and thus many things do not work |
| 23:33.03 | minus198 | sorear, How do I fix it "non-easily" then? |
| 23:33.05 | sorear | BudgetDedicated: free? |
| 23:33.14 | BudgetDedicated | sorear: 7GB free |
| 23:33.18 | chun | dondelelcaro: hum, i see |
| 23:33.28 | BudgetDedicated | it is not a ram memory problem |
| 23:33.34 | streuner | eldowan: if you did read the README and that doesnt work then, i would just use another theme |
| 23:33.46 | chun | dondelelcaro: acutlaly, also, does running screen -a causes some permanent change? |
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| 23:34.01 | eldowan | streuner: which readme, I haven't been able to get *any* theme other than the default lenny theme to work |
| 23:34.05 | sorear | BudgetDedicated: how do you know this? |
| 23:34.13 | sharp15 | jetscreamer: did it work? |
| 23:34.14 | chun | dondelelcaro: i think it got worse after i tried screen -a |
| 23:34.15 | minus198 | sorear, Found that it is possible with a bashscript.. |
| 23:34.21 | bucky | sorear, does it say LANG=en_US.UTF-8 when you type locale in a term? |
| 23:34.22 | sorear | minus198: write a program named ls that does what you want and stick it in ~/bin |
| 23:34.37 | streuner | eldowan: kde-look.org has serveral themes, in each tar.gz is a README |
| 23:35.00 | sorear | bucky: yes, and why do you want to know? I used past tense because it all works now |
| 23:35.31 | BudgetDedicated | sorear: what do you mean how do I know this? I can access the console and I see that /dev/log does not exist and I see that there are no processes running apart from the usual ones and there is plenty of ram left to work with |
| 23:36.04 | bucky | sorear, i changed mine to en_US.ISO-8859-1 do you think that would mess up anything? |
| 23:36.08 | ponyofdeath | hi, whats is a good way to generate a kde browsable menu from a script? |
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| 23:36.22 | sorear | ponyofdeath: google 'debian menu policy' |
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| 23:36.29 | eldowan | streuner: I've downloaded a few themes, and none have had a readme of any kind in them. Hmm, I'll keep trying |
| 23:36.40 | sorear | I'm pretty sure there is a description of the menu files there |
| 23:36.41 | bucky | ponyofdeath, apt-get install menu and run it |
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| 23:37.07 | streuner | eldowan: hm, odd, maybe they have somewhere a FAQ or such about |
| 23:37.10 | Nyle | eldowan: tried the kdm theme manager? |
| 23:37.11 | dondelelcaro | chun: well, it's a totally different way of working |
| 23:37.12 | sorear | bucky: it will stop you frop properly seeing mathematical notations. λ! |
| 23:37.24 | dondelelcaro | chun: I personally don't know enough about that particular bit of screen internals to tell you much, though. |
| 23:37.29 | bucky | ic |
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| 23:37.37 | eldowan | Nyle: Yup, the apply button doesn't work, and no changes stick. That was my first option tried. |
| 23:37.47 | eldowan | streuner: I've another thing to try, bbiab |
| 23:37.53 | chun | dondelelcaro: right, i see |
| 23:38.10 | Nyle | http://www.kde-look.org/help/index.php?type=40 |
| 23:38.12 | jetx | later |
| 23:38.14 | sorear | BudgetDedicated: odd. I'm inclined to doubt your initial diagnosis mainly because it's the only thing *I* can see |
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| 23:38.15 | Nyle | instructions for manual install here |
| 23:38.20 | jetx | hi nyle |
| 23:38.24 | jetx | bye nyle |
| 23:38.24 | sorear | BudgetDedicated: what are you doing when you get the error? |
| 23:38.28 | streuner | <Nyle> http://www.kde-look.org/help/index.php?type=40 |
| 23:38.31 | BudgetDedicated | rebootting |
| 23:38.35 | Nyle | jetx: hi |
| 23:38.37 | Nyle | jelly-home: be |
| 23:38.39 | Nyle | er. |
| 23:38.43 | Nyle | jetscreamer: bye |
| 23:38.48 | streuner | eldowan: read the URL Nyle gave you |
| 23:39.12 | eldowan | streuner: done that 5 times already. |
| 23:39.31 | Nyle | eldowan: did you try puttin gi tin ~/.kde/apps/share soemthing or other kdm |
| 23:39.40 | Nyle | or just the one listed on the page there |
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| 23:39.45 | whabo | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:39.54 | whabo | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:40.07 | eldowan | Maybe I'm just missing the config file, I don't see a /usr/kde/VERSION/share/config/kdm/kdmrc I have a /etc/kde3/kdm/kdmrc Is this correct? |
| 23:40.16 | BudgetDedicated | sorear: http://pastebin.com/m6fe2ce40 |
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| 23:40.27 | dondelelcaro | whabo: we have nothing to do with skype or skype mate. Contact their technical support. |
| 23:40.32 | eldowan | Nyle: The login screen takes place before ~ gets populated, no? |
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| 23:41.20 | sorear | BudgetDedicated: interesting. |
| 23:41.25 | BudgetDedicated | sorear: as you can see the server starts exim, apache ssh etc happily after the 'memory' error |
| 23:42.02 | sorear | BudgetDedicated: does '/etc/init.d/sysklogd start' manually, result in the same error? |
| 23:42.07 | BudgetDedicated | but still, loggin in now is not an option anymore |
| 23:42.08 | Nyle | /usr/share/apps/kdm/themes |
| 23:42.16 | eldowan | Nyle: themes are in that location |
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| 23:42.24 | BudgetDedicated | sorear: yes it resulted in the same error |
| 23:42.38 | Nyle | locate kdmrc and change it to the theme you want |
| 23:42.43 | eldowan | Nyle: each in a directory for their respective themes. |
| 23:42.46 | eldowan | Nyle: Done that too |
| 23:43.22 | Nyle | have you smoked a joint yet? |
| 23:43.30 | eldowan | Nyle: at work, and can't smoke anyway |
| 23:43.33 | Nyle | that could be the problem |
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| 23:43.41 | sorear | BudgetDedicated: what does 'strace -o /tmp/outputfil /etc/init.d/sysklogd start' say? it will probably be very long, but the important line is usually in the last 20 or so |
| 23:43.41 | Nyle | its gotta be something little you're overlooking |
| 23:43.48 | Nyle | I know its very easy to isntall kdm themes |
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| 23:44.34 | minus198 | sorear, Well.. I found some bashscripts.. But they arn't really that nice.. The color goes away, and they aren't printed out in columns.. :/ |
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| 23:45.30 | eldowan | Nyle: At the top of kdmrc it says overides are located in: /etc/default/kdm.d <-- which is a directory with one file in it. I've tried editing that file, as well. no luck |
| 23:45.34 | sorear | minus198: right. ls is a very big program, and cloning everything will be Hard |
| 23:45.53 | minus198 | sorear, I guess. |
| 23:46.23 | minus198 | sorear, Why isn't this implemented? |
| 23:46.27 | sorear | minus198: imo, your best bet is to apt-get source coreutils, find the source code to ls, copy it, add your option |
| 23:46.36 | minus198 | ok.. |
| 23:46.54 | sorear | minus198: either nobody has thought of it, or there isn't enough demand to justify the maintainance costs |
| 23:47.04 | minus198 | sorear, :/ |
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| 23:47.12 | sorear | same reasons any feature is missing from any (oss) program |
| 23:47.45 | TrueDD | Good night all |
| 23:47.51 | minus198 | TrueDD, good night.. |
| 23:48.07 | BudgetDedicated | sorear: nothing interesting, it is just the script. syslogd and klogd are running |
| 23:48.12 | minus198 | sorear, Well.. Guess I'll have to learn C/C++ or whatever "ls" is written in :D |
| 23:48.16 | minus198 | And thats good |
| 23:49.00 | sorear | C |
| 23:49.07 | minus198 | ok |
| 23:49.33 | sorear | and most of the program is already written, you can probably get away with copying the --sort=time code and modifying the comparison function |
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| 23:49.46 | friendlys | how big should your /tmp partition usually be for a server with a lot of hosting accounts? |
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| 23:50.03 | eldowan | Nyle: streuner: I'm just going to forget this stupid thing. Thanks for both of you helping thoguh. |
| 23:50.55 | friendlys | lets say im on a 200gb hard disk |
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| 23:54.09 | klync | hey all... i made a couple changes to my net config, and now my nfs volumes don't mount on startup via fstab... no errors, they mount fine after startup by doing `mount -a -t nfs` ... anyone care to help debug, since i've been going mad stepping through the scripts? |
| 23:54.43 | capiira_ | hi what does that mean when a package has a dfsg-2 in their version number? |
| 23:54.46 | klync | the big change was, adding a public IP as eth0 and making the private address (to connect to the nfs server) eth0:0 |
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| 23:55.07 | klync | capiira_: something about it has changed to fit the debian free software guidelines |
| 23:55.21 | sorear | capiira_: it means that the package had to be modified to meet the DFSG, and this is the second package |
| 23:55.34 | capiira_ | ah ok but there is no way to find out what? |
| 23:55.47 | sorear | capiira_: read the debian-changelog probably |
| 23:56.07 | sorear | capiira_: or ask (almost all GNU programs have been emanualated) |
| 23:56.07 | klync | capiira_: /usr/share/doc/_pkg_name/README.debian usually |
| 23:56.23 | klync | sorear: nice turn of phrase |
| 23:56.57 | capiira_ | :) |
| 23:57.01 | capiira_ | thanks |
| 23:57.43 | cloakable | enlarges |
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| 23:58.26 | klync | cloakable: http://heideas.blogspot.com/2005/03/beyond-embiggens-and-cromulent.html |
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| 23:59.26 | cloakable | D: |
| 23:59.27 | sorear | really, I just made up emanualated on the spot |
| 23:59.33 | Backdraft | wh00t wh00t |
