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| 00:01.54 | Nyle | i hate it when people try to tell me how ubuntu > debian |
| 00:01.56 | Cusoon959 | I need motivation to switch from Ubuntu to Debian... |
| 00:02.05 | Cusoon959 | I know Debian > Ubuntu :D |
| 00:02.06 | sorear | Wow? |
| 00:02.10 | Cusoon959 | Just need some motivation XD |
| 00:02.24 | Cusoon959 | I'm just sorta getting pissed off at Ubuntu |
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| 00:02.58 | sorear | the debian project inspires pity where any other OSproject would inspire anger |
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| 00:04.05 | Cusoon959 | Can anyone give me some good reasons? |
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| 00:04.40 | pixel | hey guys, I got flash working, but now I'm having trouble getting sound up |
| 00:04.57 | sorear | pixel: Great! How'd you do it? |
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| 00:05.26 | sorear | Cusoon959: unstable |
| 00:05.27 | pixel | i uninstalled all flash related packages and replaced them with the nofree one |
| 00:05.31 | sorear | Cusoon959: no X funny business |
| 00:05.32 | klync | pixel: sound in flash, or are those two unrelated problems? |
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| 00:05.45 | pixel | na, unrelated, i was having flash issues before but i fixed it |
| 00:05.47 | kakalto | how does debian handle kde packaging? |
| 00:05.50 | pixel | now i need to get sound up |
| 00:05.51 | husimon | does anyone know why rsyncing to a smb share wouldn't work? |
| 00:05.58 | husimon | it just keeps making me copy the whole directory |
| 00:06.05 | husimon | ie it doesn't resume or just copy the differences |
| 00:06.07 | pixel | here's my cat /dev/sndstat, http://pastebin.ca/807769 |
| 00:06.15 | klync | Cusoon959: Reason #1 (imho): the Debian team cares about Freedom(TM) |
| 00:06.31 | Cusoon959 | Ah |
| 00:06.32 | pobega | pixel: It's been a while but...Have you tried `alsaconf`? |
| 00:06.41 | pixel | yes pobega, that was the first thing I did |
| 00:07.02 | pixel | it's a hidef audio card, i had to use a third party driver with freebsd, but alsa seems to have detected it |
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| 00:07.42 | klync | pixel: have you added your user to the "audio" group? |
| 00:07.53 | Nazcafan | Eclipser: ?? are you available ? |
| 00:07.55 | pixel | i have not, klync |
| 00:08.12 | sorear | Cusoon959: debian doesn't have the patronizing attitude problem |
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| 00:08.22 | klync | that might be the problem... as others said, it's been a while since i had to really fiddle with sound to get it working |
| 00:08.31 | Cusoon959 | Heh, what do you mean sorear? |
| 00:08.42 | pobega | Same kylnc. It's one of those things you do when you first install Debian, then forget how you did it. |
| 00:09.06 | pixel | klync, when i do groups in terminal, the only one that comes up is root |
| 00:09.08 | pobega | If the audio group doesn't work I'd definitely Google "soundcardmodel Debian" |
| 00:09.17 | klync | totally... so, anyone feel like contemplating my nfs auto-mounting woes? (not automount) |
| 00:09.20 | sorear | Cusoon959: haven't used ubuntu ever, but from what I've seen it seems to do a lot of idiotproofing stuff that would drive me insane |
| 00:09.33 | sorear | klync: never used nfs, sorry |
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| 00:09.33 | pobega | pixel: Why not just add your user to audio in /etc/groups? |
| 00:09.35 | klync | pixel: add yourself to "audio" and then logout / login |
| 00:09.37 | Cusoon959 | ah |
| 00:09.42 | Cusoon959 | Well...yep, they do |
| 00:09.43 | Cusoon959 | Haha |
| 00:09.44 | pixel | kk |
| 00:09.45 | sorear | pixel: er... something worries me about that |
| 00:09.47 | pobega | Err, /etc/group |
| 00:10.12 | pobega | By the way, is there anything wrong with manually editing /etc/group? I'm just wondering, because that's generally how I manage groups. |
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| 00:10.34 | pixel | audio:x:29:pixel |
| 00:10.40 | pixel | it's in there |
| 00:10.49 | klync | pobega: the danger is a syntax error could be a real big headache ... check if you have `vigr` installed |
| 00:10.54 | sorear | pobega: nothing 'wrong', but if you mess up things could go wrong |
| 00:11.01 | dondelelcaro | pobega: you generally want to use vigr then. |
| 00:11.03 | klync | ... that's just vi, with a syntax check before you save |
| 00:11.16 | pixel | no sound though |
| 00:11.34 | dondelelcaro | klync: it's actually just sensible-editor |
| 00:11.55 | sharp15 | how are alsa soundcards configured? alsaconf isn't present. |
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| 00:12.17 | dondelelcaro | sharp15: the module should be loaded automatically, and you just run alsamixer and bring the levels up. |
| 00:12.28 | dondelelcaro | sharp15: it's only in cases where the first doesn't happen that any intervention is required. |
| 00:12.50 | pixel | sharp15, alsaconf is applications, debian, apps, system, admin |
| 00:13.00 | klync | omg... dondelelcaro kudos for remembering the my-volume-is-muted-by-default gotcha |
| 00:13.10 | rhododendron | i'm looking for a good tutorial to install an usb wlan stick but google doesn't like me. any hints? |
| 00:13.44 | dondelelcaro | rhododendron: depends on what model of usb wlan you have. |
| 00:14.11 | dondelelcaro | rhododendron: once you figure that out, the rest of it will fall into place. |
| 00:14.23 | sharp15 | pixel: i don't have half of that. either way why can't i call it from the command-line? |
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| 00:14.42 | mediahunter | hello everyone |
| 00:14.44 | OlaX | rhododendron: maybe you could send google some flowers or a poem or something. |
| 00:14.50 | mediahunter | i hope to be able to find the help i am looking for in here |
| 00:14.51 | pixel | sharp15, you should be able to |
| 00:14.53 | mediahunter | Here is the issue |
| 00:14.53 | pobega | klync: What's the difference between vigr and `vim /etc/group`? |
| 00:14.54 | pixel | if not, check synaptic |
| 00:14.55 | dondelelcaro | sharp15: you don't need alsaconf. Just make sure you have alsa-base and alsa-utils installed. |
| 00:15.07 | mediahunter | I have Dreaklinux LiveCD and want to install it to my HDD |
| 00:15.18 | dondelelcaro | pobega: it edits a backup of group, and checks to make sure that you haven't made a syntax error. |
| 00:15.18 | rhododendron | dondelelcaro: i've got n bluemedia bm-5531 stick |
| 00:15.20 | mediahunter | however I am a newbie and am not sure how to set my HDD |
| 00:15.32 | dondelelcaro | mediahunter: we don't support Dreaklinux |
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| 00:15.39 | klync | pobega: well, as dondelelcaro pointed out, `vigr` doesn't necessarily use vim, it uses whatever editor it finds... the big diff tho, is that it does a syntax check when you save |
| 00:15.58 | mediahunter | ok well what linux do you support, or do you know where i mite be able to find some suppore for it |
| 00:16.04 | mediahunter | dreamlinux |
| 00:16.18 | pobega | dondelelcaro: Ah, thanks. I'll definitely be using vigr from now on then! I didn't know it that existed until now. |
| 00:16.22 | rhododendron | OlaX: good idea. will do so. :) |
| 00:16.24 | dondelelcaro | mediahunter: we support Debian here; I've no clue where you can find support for things non-Debian. Try google. |
| 00:16.39 | mediahunter | it is debian based |
| 00:16.54 | mediahunter | debian is the founder behind it |
| 00:16.55 | dondelelcaro | mediahunter: loads of things are; we only support Debian here, though. |
| 00:17.07 | pobega | mediahunter: I'm not sure if there it exists, but I'd try #dreamlinux |
| 00:17.16 | pobega | Or perhaps check DL's homepage for an IRC channel. |
| 00:17.38 | sorear | as you might imagine, #debian is for debian |
| 00:17.51 | mediahunter | ok i gotcha well does straight debian support intel i have acer aspire 3680 laptop with the atheros wifi card and would like to try to find a distro that works well for it and has xfce. |
| 00:17.57 | pobega | #debian is meant primarily for Debian proper, not distributions based on it. That's like going to #gentoo for Sabayon. |
| 00:18.04 | dondelelcaro | mediahunter: yes, it does. |
| 00:18.16 | Tramp | klync: are you sure they do a syntax-check and not just locking? I don't see vigr complaining about syntax-error, no matter how I smash groups. |
| 00:18.48 | dondelelcaro | Tramp: it's visudo that does the synatx check, actually. |
| 00:18.49 | klync | Tramp: huh... i could be wrong... it's definitely happened before... not in the mood to test myself, tho |
| 00:18.53 | mediahunter | i am a mid-leval newb |
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| 00:19.07 | dondelelcaro | mediahunter: yes, you'd be able to get support for Debian here. [please don't /msg me, though.] |
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| 00:19.19 | klync | dondelelcaro, Tramp : ya, i kinda assumed they were all similar - visudo, vigr, vipw |
| 00:19.21 | mediahunter | sorry dondelelcaro |
| 00:19.22 | sharp15 | pixel, dondelelcaro: thank you for your help. |
| 00:19.22 | Tramp | dondelelcaro: ah. ok. Never noticed becaus I happily modify them manually 8) |
| 00:19.35 | pixel | np, now if i could just figure this out |
| 00:19.43 | dondelelcaro | Tramp: yeah, you just have to hope that no one else modifies them when you do that. |
| 00:19.52 | mediahunter | ok i wll look into debian and maybe slackware just want a good working linux that i can get my wifi to work on and that i can learn to program on |
| 00:20.16 | alex_ | does anybody know when lenny will be released? |
| 00:20.20 | sharp15 | pixel: what's the problem? |
| 00:20.22 | dondelelcaro | !wwlr |
| 00:20.22 | dpkg | Lenny will release WIR; SIYH. Ask me about <lenny pool>, <wir>, <siyh>. |
| 00:20.32 | klync | mediahunter: debian's installer has gotten so much better in the past year or so... it will decide how to setup your hard drive if you don't know |
| 00:20.36 | pobega | alex_: When it's done? |
| 00:20.39 | pixel | sharp15, getting my snd_hda_intel card working |
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| 00:20.59 | pixel | i had the same issue when i installed freebsd, but i can't remember how i fixed it |
| 00:21.00 | pobega | It's not like you can't use it before it's done...Go ahead and install it. I use it myself, it works awesome. |
| 00:21.27 | Tramp | dondelelcaro: well, sure. But even when multiple people adminster simultanously, vi complains quite vigorously iirc. |
| 00:21.44 | mediahunter | ok well i wll give it try |
| 00:21.50 | mediahunter | so if all well goes well i will be back |
| 00:21.52 | mediahunter | =) |
| 00:21.53 | pobega | Tramp: Luckily for me I'm on a single user system; Or at least, a single user with root access :) |
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| 00:22.04 | dondelelcaro | Tramp: not really |
| 00:22.11 | dondelelcaro | Tramp: and that assumes that everyone is using vi |
| 00:22.21 | dondelelcaro | (and not adduser or passwd etc.) |
| 00:22.25 | tripp | a very dumb question: when i compile an kernel in gentoo, can i use it on the same machine with Debian? |
| 00:22.30 | Tramp | dondelelcaro: good point. Taken. |
| 00:22.42 | dondelelcaro | tripp: yes. |
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| 00:22.49 | tripp | dondelelcaro thanks :) |
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| 00:23.09 | dondelelcaro | Tramp: but yeah, on most systems it's not a big deal; it's just not a habbit to get much into. ;-) |
| 00:23.09 | pobega | tripp: I don't see why not; It's all GNU/Linux |
| 00:23.22 | friendlys | what is a must have security software for linux? in your opinion? tripwire? |
| 00:23.31 | pobega | Well, besides vigr, how else can one administer the groups? |
| 00:23.47 | dondelelcaro | pobega: with adduser? |
| 00:23.52 | dondelelcaro | (with usermod?) |
| 00:24.04 | tripp | what if i know exactly whats in the machine i want the kernel to run, compile it at home with gentoo and ship it over to the other machine running debian? (lets get harder) :) |
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| 00:24.18 | dondelelcaro | tripp: doesn't matter. |
| 00:24.34 | dondelelcaro | tripp: though you generally are better off just running the stock Debian kernels |
| 00:25.02 | husimon | i have a question about vi: I open it up and go into insert mode and when I press the arrow keys it spits out letters |
| 00:25.09 | husimon | ABCD |
| 00:25.13 | husimon | what is the fix for this? |
| 00:25.13 | dondelelcaro | (and if you *do* decide that you need a different kernel, using make-kpkg to create it) |
| 00:25.14 | sorear | friendlys: none, afak |
| 00:25.38 | dondelelcaro | husimon: use hjkl like you should? |
| 00:25.40 | klync | friendlys: security is a state of mind... and it begins by understanding yourself... or in this case, what you're computer is doing that's exposing risks |
| 00:25.48 | sorear | husimon: arrow keys don't work in vi insert mode |
| 00:25.59 | sorear | husimon: use vim instead if you want that |
| 00:26.00 | husimon | sorear, yes they do, I've seen them work before |
| 00:26.09 | tripp | dondelelcaro have to do a lot of tweaking i can only get in gentoo.... |
| 00:26.11 | klync | depends on your terminal... your keymap doesn't have the correct entries for the arrow keys |
| 00:26.11 | dondelelcaro | they work with vim |
| 00:26.16 | husimon | i guess vi means vim to me |
| 00:26.33 | dondelelcaro | tripp: uh... the kernel's the kernel. You can change it any way you want anywhere. |
| 00:26.37 | sharp15 | dondelelcaro: ok. what is the usual intervention for a non-functional sound blaster card? |
| 00:26.42 | husimon | god that is retarded |
| 00:26.49 | husimon | vi and vim are two different bits on my system |
| 00:26.49 | pobega | dondelelcaro: Oh wow, I feel stupid now. Haha. |
| 00:27.09 | husimon | yet they both point to vim |
| 00:27.16 | husimon | how come arrow keys work in one and not the other |
| 00:27.20 | tripp | dondelelcaro i was told gentoo compilates the kernel much more suitable for the machine it is used in. |
| 00:27.26 | dondelelcaro | tripp: nope |
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| 00:27.44 | dondelelcaro | tripp: you take bits, perform transform a on it, you get the same result. |
| 00:27.48 | husimon | nhuisman@husiquad:~$ vim --version |
| 00:27.48 | husimon | VIM - Vi IMproved 7.1 (2007 May 12, compiled Oct 5 2007 00:33:19) |
| 00:27.48 | husimon | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:27.48 | husimon | VIM - Vi IMproved 7.1 (2007 May 12, compiled Oct 5 2007 00:33:19) |
| 00:27.48 | husimon | <PROTECTED> |
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| 00:27.55 | husimon | sorry |
| 00:27.59 | husimon | thought it would be one line |
| 00:28.04 | sharp15 | dondelelcaro: nm. |
| 00:28.08 | dondelelcaro | husimon: yeah, it uses slightly different defaults in each case |
| 00:28.10 | husimon | but as you can see they are both vim |
| 00:28.25 | husimon | that was my first though, so maybe the virc vs vimrc are different |
| 00:28.30 | pobega | husimon: vi is an alternative pointing to vim, no? |
| 00:28.37 | klync | tripp: if you are compiling a kernel from the source instead of using a precompiled binary, this is the same on any system - see "make-kpkg" for debian's way to do this |
| 00:28.47 | pobega | I assume if you changed the vi alternative to emacs it would take emacs arguments at the CLI. |
| 00:29.13 | husimon | both vi -versionand vim -version point to the same vim 7.1 |
| 00:29.22 | husimon | and actually it says they are both reading the same config file too |
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| 00:29.36 | dondelelcaro | husimon: since $0 is different, if you use vi, it emulates vi, if you use vim, it's like vim. Try running it as gvim, FE. |
| 00:29.43 | pobega | But arrow keys don't work in one? |
| 00:29.46 | Cusoon959 | LMFAO I just installed VirtualBox on Ubuntu and now my wireless card doesn't work |
| 00:29.52 | Cusoon959 | Time to switch to Debian |
| 00:29.57 | husimon | pobega, yep they don't work in vi but work in vim |
| 00:30.07 | tripp | general question now: why do i want to use make-kpkg instead of good old make && make modules_install ........... |
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| 00:30.32 | pobega | husimon: Try which /bin/vi |
| 00:30.34 | klync | tripp: so that apt knows which kernel you have, and you don't clobber it with apt-get upgrade later |
| 00:30.38 | pobega | Or, err, which /usr/bin/vi |
| 00:30.39 | husimon | is there some reason why anyone would want to use vi vs vim? |
| 00:30.50 | dondelelcaro | husimon: it's smaller and faster? |
| 00:30.55 | pobega | Some people are coming directly from Unix/BSD and are used to it. |
| 00:30.57 | klync | ... also makes it easier to generate an initrd if desired, and updates your bootloader |
| 00:31.11 | pobega | Plus, as dondelelcaro said, it's much lighter. |
| 00:31.13 | husimon | where do you see a speed increase with vi? regular expressions on huge files? |
| 00:31.14 | klync | ... also, you can compile it once, and distribute the package to your entire herd of debian boxen |
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| 00:31.26 | dondelelcaro | tripp: and finally, you can remove the kernel and modules once you no longer want it |
| 00:31.31 | klync | lol |
| 00:31.36 | tripp | and thats really all? |
| 00:31.38 | dondelelcaro | (plus, it also works with neat things like module-assistant) |
| 00:32.42 | dondelelcaro | oh, there are probably some other features it has that I've never used |
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| 00:33.40 | husimon | well screw their $0 i'm aliasing it so it works ;) |
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| 00:34.23 | whabo | help, how come after uninstalling wine .. and removing the .wine folder ... its still visible under "all applications"?????? anyone? thx |
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| 00:36.01 | pobega | whabo: Have you purged wine? Or just uninstalled it? |
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| 00:36.51 | husimon | man wine bit me in the ass once |
| 00:37.14 | Tobsan | lol |
| 00:37.17 | klync | huh... with me it usually hits the head - the next morning |
| 00:37.18 | husimon | got some virus in an email and I tried to double click on it to open it a text editor to see what was in it. |
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| 00:37.44 | husimon | fucking wine emulated windows and started the virus, which was a spam daemon and started in the background and spammed via my box. |
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| 00:38.23 | klync | wow... great story... can you tell that one on effnet, so it'll get onto bash.org? |
| 00:38.27 | pobega | husimon: A virus on Debian? Haha. |
| 00:38.53 | husimon | not so much a virus I guess, an email spam sender |
| 00:39.12 | husimon | it was then that I uninstalled wine. |
| 00:39.37 | pobega | I haven't had Wine installed in a while...No need for it, everything I'd use in Windows has a Linux-equivalent for me. |
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| 00:39.47 | klync | husimon: you might want to consider vmware - free for non-commercial use nowadays |
| 00:39.58 | Cusoon959 | Should I get the full CD or the minimal one? |
| 00:40.05 | husimon | yeah I use a variety of vms |
| 00:40.17 | husimon | xen, vmware, vmware-fusion, parallels, virtual box |
| 00:41.10 | Cusoon959 | Which one? |
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| 00:41.17 | klync | husimon: do you happen to know if any support OpenGL well? i keep windows around so i can play Civ every now and then, which means rebooting :( |
| 00:41.23 | Cusoon959 | minimal or full? |
| 00:41.35 | husimon | i think vmware-fusion does |
| 00:41.37 | husimon | i just saw one that supported 3d |
| 00:41.40 | GhostlyDeath | What's the gnome version of sudo? |
| 00:41.41 | klync | cool... i'll look into it - thx |
| 00:41.44 | pobega | Cusoon959: If you have a fast connection I'd get the minimal NetInstall CD. |
| 00:41.48 | pobega | GhostlyDeath: gksudo? |
| 00:41.53 | Cusoon959 | I have 6mbit down |
| 00:41.58 | Cusoon959 | is that good enough? |
| 00:42.27 | husimon | of course vmware-fusion is for os x |
| 00:42.36 | husimon | 6mbit is plenty enough |
| 00:42.37 | klync | bah! |
| 00:42.41 | Cusoon959 | :) |
| 00:42.43 | pobega | Cusoon959: You should be fine, I mean regardless you'll need to download everything. But the minimal CD is a lot easier to use in my opinion. |
| 00:43.06 | husimon | the server sending you the info isn't going to send much faster then 6mbit anyhow |
| 00:43.12 | Cusoon959 | ok, thanks |
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| 00:44.33 | Cusoon959 | debian-40r1-i386-netinst.iso << this one? |
| 00:44.53 | pobega | Cusoon959: If you want Etch. |
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| 00:45.07 | Cusoon959 | Is there a downside to Etch? |
| 00:45.08 | pobega | For a home computer I'd recommend Lenny. |
| 00:45.37 | streuner | heh |
| 00:45.39 | Cusoon959 | It's my laptop...why would you reccomend Lenny instead of Etch? |
| 00:45.41 | bucky | use etch |
| 00:45.43 | streuner | we recommend stable |
| 00:45.53 | dvs | use stable |
| 00:45.54 | Ronin | etch |
| 00:46.10 | sn0 | definately stable, if you need something newer you can use backports |
| 00:46.10 | Xenguy | Cusoon959: I just switched *away* from lenny to etch |
| 00:46.21 | bucky | check out your hardware compatibility if you want to be a real pro |
| 00:46.35 | Cusoon959 | >.< |
| 00:46.36 | bucky | like in the old days |
| 00:46.48 | pobega | Honestly...I'd recommend Lenny. But no one else will I suppose. |
| 00:46.50 | Cusoon959 | I think I'm gonna go Etch... |
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| 00:47.02 | dvs | !beer Cusoon959 |
| 00:47.07 | Cusoon959 | ... |
| 00:47.08 | Cusoon959 | The current stable distribution of Debian GNU/Linux is version 4.0r1, codenamed etch. It was released on August 15th, 2007. |
| 00:47.28 | pobega | Cusoon959: Etch is stable, Lenny is testing. |
| 00:47.31 | sorear | lenny hah. I use sid |
| 00:47.33 | Cusoon959 | ohhhhh...... |
| 00:47.35 | Cusoon959 | lmao |
| 00:47.36 | Cusoon959 | OK |
| 00:47.38 | Cusoon959 | I'll use Etch |
| 00:47.39 | Cusoon959 | :) |
| 00:47.40 | Xenguy | pobega Cusoon959 lenny was not stable for me - it's a hassle IMHO (at least right now so soon after release of new stable) |
| 00:47.53 | pobega | sorear: I use some Sid, but I can't afford to lose anything since I use my laptop for college coursework :) |
| 00:48.08 | sorear | pobega: bah-kups |
| 00:48.13 | pobega | Xenguy: Really? I haven't had a single problem...Except with prboom, of course. |
| 00:48.13 | sn0 | i use sid on desktop too :) breakage for the win |
| 00:48.30 | sorear | pobega: besides, if you don't keep backups you WILL have a mechanical failure |
| 00:48.54 | pobega | sorear: I've actually just been getting to doing backups recently. |
| 00:48.56 | Xenguy | pobega: I used to run sid all the time, so I've been there, but stable is the sweet spot for me nowadays - YMMV :-) |
| 00:49.07 | dondelelcaro | data loss isn't the real issue; the problem is that things will break in ways that require time expenditures in sid. |
| 00:49.15 | pobega | I have a question about backing up, actually. |
| 00:49.35 | Cusoon959 | I only need to back up 4.3 MB of stuff.... XD |
| 00:49.48 | Cusoon959 | all my movies/music/stuff is stored on my external drive |
| 00:49.49 | pobega | If I back up /etc, /home and /var, and save `aptitude search "~i!~M" | awk '{print $2}'` |
| 00:49.51 | Xenguy | Cusoon959: mondo |
| 00:49.53 | dvs | use 3 floppies. ;-) |
| 00:49.58 | pobega | Will that be enough? * |
| 00:50.07 | Cusoon959 | Which is ext3...so it'll work fine :D |
| 00:50.32 | sn0 | pobega good backups are well tested backups |
| 00:50.37 | pobega | I just want my config files (/home and /etc) and what's in /var (my www folder), and I want a list of programs I installed manually so that in the case I need to reinstall Debian I can just run the file through aptitude and it will automatically install everything for me. |
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| 00:51.20 | pobega | Should I backup any other folders though? Just wondering, looking for opinions :) |
| 00:51.21 | sorear | Cusoon959: of course. I'll be quoting lines from my IRC log when you come back in two years complaining of a failed external drive |
| 00:51.29 | Xenguy | pobega: cron jobs ? |
| 00:51.41 | Xenguy | pobega: /var/mail ? |
| 00:51.44 | jelly-home | pobega: what if you install a different version of a database? do you have dumps backed up, ready for importing? |
| 00:51.46 | Cusoon959 | I can make my WLAN card work with ndiswrapper here on Ubuntu...will it be hard in Debian? |
| 00:51.49 | sorear | Xenguy: 'and /var' |
| 00:51.57 | Cusoon959 | sorear, heh, I'll have my 1TB drive by then ;) |
| 00:52.00 | Xenguy | sorear: nod |
| 00:52.08 | sorear | Cusoon959: and it will fail too. |
| 00:52.15 | Xenguy | pobega: /usr/local if you use that ? |
| 00:52.17 | Cusoon959 | hehe |
| 00:52.20 | Cusoon959 | Oh well |
| 00:52.26 | sorear | Cusoon959: the only defense is to have multiple copyies on different media |
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| 00:53.02 | alevine | how do i set up aptitude to use a certain repo for only a couple packages? |
| 00:53.13 | Xenguy | *Keeps* |
| 00:53.24 | pobega | Xenguy: Where are the cron jobs stored? |
| 00:53.30 | Xenguy | pobega: /var |
| 00:53.33 | pobega | jelly-home: Hmm...I have SQL installed but I don't actually use it. |
| 00:53.41 | pobega | Xenguy: Yeah, I'm backing up the entire /var folder, not just /var/www. |
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| 00:53.57 | pobega | var, home and etc |
| 00:54.03 | pobega | And that aptitude search bit. |
| 00:54.28 | jelly-home | pobega: whatever you do, test your restore procedure |
| 00:54.37 | Xenguy | pobega: I think there is a /etc/crontab file also ? |
| 00:54.42 | sn0 | pobega you can use the dpkg set/getselections options and create a file to reinstall your list of packages from, google has the info |
| 00:54.46 | jelly-home | pobega: backups aren't important at all. Only restores are. ;-) |
| 00:54.48 | pobega | Xenguy: As I said, /etc is backed up as well ;P |
| 00:55.08 | pobega | jelly-home: Well, wouldn't it just be a simple tar x<whatever> <file>? |
| 00:55.18 | Xenguy | pobega: ahh, right |
| 00:55.21 | pobega | And `aptitude install `cat aptitude.log``? |
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| 00:55.33 | jelly-home | pobega: I don't know, it's just system. |
| 00:55.34 | sn0 | not sure, haven't tried that one personally |
| 00:55.35 | Xenguy | pobega: multi-tasking a bit here |
| 00:55.38 | jelly-home | s/just/your/ |
| 00:55.38 | sorear | pobega: if you're going to back up /var, back up everything |
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| 00:55.55 | pobega | sorear: What do you mean? Everything in /var? |
| 00:56.05 | sorear | pobega: everything in / |
| 00:56.58 | Cusoon959 | wtf is mondo |
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| 00:57.01 | pobega | Is mondo compatible with DVD-R? |
| 00:57.07 | sorear | pobega: /var is mostly caches and other stuff, if you're going to copy most of a debian archive onto your backup media (/var/cache/apt/packages) why not include /usr/bin as well? etc |
| 00:57.30 | jelly-home | pobega: it might be "only" reinstall base, reinstall the packages, put /etc back, put user's data back, worry about mismatched system accounts uids, check your sql db consistency, ... |
| 00:57.39 | Cusoon959 | Xenguy, what's mondo? |
| 00:57.57 | pobega | jelly-home: How would I have mismatched uids if I'm restoring the /etc folder? |
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| 00:58.47 | jelly-home | pobega: same packages chown directories in /var on installation. |
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| 00:59.47 | jelly-home | pobega: my point is there are lots of gotchas. the only way to be sure you handle it well is to test the procedure |
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| 01:00.50 | jelly-home | pobega: sorry, s/same/some/ above |
| 01:01.17 | pobega | Mondo seems very useful though; I have a stack of blank DVD-Rs collecting dust. Do you think Mondo would work with those DVD-Rs? |
| 01:01.27 | Cusoon959 | WHAT THE HELL IS MONDO |
| 01:01.29 | Cusoon959 | *ahem* |
| 01:01.48 | pobega | Cusoon959: aptitude show mondo ? |
| 01:02.02 | timthelion | hey, I just installed sid(from etch) everything works great and is much faster but for some reason the keyboard doesn't repeate when I hold down a key. How do I reconfigure this? |
| 01:02.17 | Cusoon959 | oh, cool |
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| 01:03.31 | Xenguy | !mondo |
| 01:03.32 | dpkg | methinks mondo is a full-featured backup/restore system with support for backup media CDRW, tape, NFS mount, etc - a complete system can be restored from bare metal. |
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| 01:04.10 | pixel | yeah, this is gonna take a while |
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| 01:06.39 | timthelion | um, how do I change the keyboard repeate rate from the cli? |
| 01:06.41 | timthelion | for x |
| 01:07.02 | Tramp | timthelion: man xset? |
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| 01:08.19 | karmatronic | hi there |
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| 01:11.04 | timthelion | Tramp: thanks! |
| 01:11.15 | Tramp | np |
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| 01:12.26 | timthelion | took me a while to figure out that man page, it seems xset uses non-standard syntax... xset r verse xset -r mean something |
| 01:12.30 | Mordbrann | What happens to rsync if it can't read the drive while copying? |
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| 01:16.38 | dondelelcaro | Mordbrann: depends if the problem returns an io error or not; generally it will continue on if possible |
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| 01:17.42 | Mordbrann | dondelelcaro, it is an io error sadly; happens when building the filelist |
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| 01:18.42 | sorear | Mordbrann: Whatever happens, I doubt it is comparable in severity to 'failing hard drive' |
| 01:19.58 | Mordbrann | sorear, yeah, exactly. Problem is I'm leaving soon and am fearful it's going to take a very long while to complete due to the io errors |
| 01:21.23 | whabo | to programs etc.... how can i fix that ??? anyone ??? thank you |
| 01:21.35 | Mordbrann | what? |
| 01:21.40 | whabo | How can i create a shortcut for a new subfolder under applications??? its for WINE and the programs in it .. anyone ??? PLZ HELPP .. THANK YOU |
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| 01:22.40 | whabo | i recently deleted the folder wine from application ( by mistake) and i removed wine to try and reinstall it and see if it comes back .. no luck .. any help would be appreciated |
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| 01:22.58 | chuck | hi, i just installed 2 new hard drives, how can i get those formatted and mounted? |
| 01:24.15 | Mordbrann | chuck, in a terminal type something like mkfs.ext3 /dev/h?? |
| 01:24.26 | Mordbrann | then add a line to your /etc/fstab |
| 01:24.35 | Mordbrann | and finally mount /dev/h?? |
| 01:24.39 | Tramp | chuck: first partition. Then make filesystems. Then mount |
| 01:24.45 | chuck | Mordbrann, is there a way to check that the /dev/h?? the new drive is? |
| 01:25.24 | Mordbrann | look in dmesg for lines h??: that will describe the drive |
| 01:25.45 | Mordbrann | or just do dmesg |grep -i dma and hopefully you'll see them |
| 01:26.00 | chuck | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:26.01 | chuck | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:26.01 | chuck | hda: 156250000 sectors (80000 MB) w/2048KiB Cache, CHS=65535/16/63, UDMA(100) |
| 01:26.04 | chuck | that it? |
| 01:26.20 | Mordbrann | maybe, but hda is likely the first drive you had in the machine, not the new ones |
| 01:26.32 | chuck | hdb? |
| 01:26.36 | Mordbrann | possibly |
| 01:26.56 | Mordbrann | whichever drives you added won't have a corresponding line in /etc/fstab yet |
| 01:27.20 | chuck | is looking through dmesg the only way to see new hard drives? |
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| 01:27.56 | Tramp | chuck: how many drives does fdisk -l show? |
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| 01:28.45 | nkuttler | chuck: cat /proc/partitions might help |
| 01:28.46 | chuck | it shows 3, /dev/hda(1|2|3) |
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| 01:29.05 | chuck | nkuttler, that just shows hda |
| 01:29.10 | chuck | and three partitions |
| 01:29.14 | Tramp | chuck: So the new ones are hdb and hdc (probably without partitions yet) |
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| 01:29.26 | chuck | okay |
| 01:29.41 | chuck | so fdisk /dev/hdb |
| 01:29.47 | chuck | right? |
| 01:29.58 | _charly_ | hi :) |
| 01:30.01 | Tramp | chuck: Do fdisk -l /dev/hdb and /dev/hdc first to be sure. |
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| 01:30.21 | chuck | nope, those show nothing :( |
| 01:31.20 | Mordbrann | chuck, that's good, means you won't nuke any data |
| 01:31.20 | sorear | note that you don't strictly need to run fdisk, and things will work just fine if you don't - until the day your power supply explodes and you need to access your data on a windows box |
| 01:31.20 | Tramp | chuck: Do you have /dev/hdb and /dev/hdc? |
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| 01:31.33 | chuck | hrm, i only have /dev/hda* things |
| 01:31.36 | Mordbrann | sorear, crud, then that's another thing to fix sometime on my box i guess |
| 01:31.53 | Tramp | chuck: and these are IDE drives? or SATA? or SCSI? |
| 01:31.58 | chuck | ide |
| 01:32.18 | Tramp | chuck: hmm. If you don't have the devices, the drives are not recognized. |
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| 01:32.27 | ross` | can someone help me set up unreal irc server? |
| 01:32.34 | ross` | i want to make an irc network for my serrver |
| 01:32.40 | chuck | ross`: try in the unreal support irc channel |
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| 01:32.46 | Tramp | chuck: Did you check in the BIOS after installing them, that they are recognized and active? |
| 01:32.46 | sorear | ross`: Have you read the README? |
| 01:32.47 | ross` | where is that chuck |
| 01:32.53 | chuck | ross`: check their website? |
| 01:33.00 | ross` | mmm what is it? |
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| 01:33.12 | sorear | ross`: www.google.com |
| 01:33.24 | ross` | sorear: i can't fucking google it :P |
| 01:33.51 | sorear | ross`: huh, it shows up as the #1 hit for 'unreal ircd' for me |
| 01:34.04 | chuck | ross`: the site is unrealircd.com |
| 01:34.10 | ross` | sorear: http://justfuckinggoogleit.com |
| 01:34.11 | chuck | the irc server is irc.unrealircd.com i think |
| 01:34.14 | ross` | that's what i ment |
| 01:34.24 | chuck | and the channel is #unreal i would guess |
| 01:34.40 | chuck | mmk |
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| 01:36.07 | sorear | ross`: Why not? It's unrealircd.com, but I'm kinda curious why you can't use google |
| 01:36.11 | ross` | thanks |
| 01:36.23 | ross` | sorear: because i have spyware that doesnt allow me to |
| 01:36.31 | kgoetz | ahahahaha |
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| 01:36.40 | ross` | shut up |
| 01:36.49 | sorear | ross`: then it's obviously not very good spyware |
| 01:36.58 | chuck | ross`, use google mirror then |
| 01:37.01 | sorear | ross`: the point of spyware is to be completely unnoticable |
| 01:37.07 | ross` | no its very "bad" spyware. its very obvious at letting me know i have it |
| 01:37.15 | ross` | yes sorear i know |
| 01:37.17 | sorear | ross`: and... are you sure you're running Debian GNU/Linux? |
| 01:37.22 | ross` | yes |
| 01:37.27 | chuck | sorear, that's what i was thinking lol |
| 01:37.27 | ross` | well on my serevr i am |
| 01:37.30 | _charly_ | i just noticed that the k7 kernel images were dropped in sid as of kernel v2.6.23. there's no explanation in the changelog about that, and now i'm wondering about the reasons and what image would be best to choose instead. does anyone have some informations? |
| 01:37.35 | chuck | ross`, use lynx on your server then? |
| 01:37.44 | ross` | =/ |
| 01:37.47 | ross` | im bad w/ lynx |
| 01:38.01 | kgoetz | xlinkx2 ftw |
| 01:38.07 | ross` | i use links |
| 01:38.08 | ross` | :P |
| 01:38.08 | chuck | ross`, yeah, it can be hard to type lynx http://google.com some times |
| 01:38.09 | kgoetz | s/k// |
| 01:38.16 | chuck | s/lynx/links/ then |
| 01:38.25 | ross` | no chuck.. getting around in lynx is hard for me |
| 01:38.38 | sorear | ross`: you could use ssh -X myserver firefox # warning: will be slow as hell |
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| 01:38.43 | ross` | i like links cause i can use my mouse |
| 01:38.48 | chuck | ross`, ... |
| 01:38.58 | chuck | ross`, the unreal site is at unrealircd.com as we've said about 3 times now |
| 01:38.59 | ross` | chuck..... |
| 01:39.03 | ross` | i know |
| 01:39.06 | ross` | im on their irc server now |
| 01:39.08 | sorear | chuck: 17:36 < sorear> ross`: Why not? It's unrealircd.com, but I'm kinda curious why you can't use google |
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| 01:39.14 | sorear | chuck: he's answering my question |
| 01:39.20 | cpunches | Leandro Noferini... |
| 01:39.30 | ross` | whats yor question |
| 01:39.33 | ross` | o.O |
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| 01:39.50 | chuck | ugh |
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| 01:40.33 | gkahla | hey folks - where would i put custom Xsessions so etch's gdm would find them? doesn't appear to be under /etc/X11... |
| 01:42.19 | sorear | gkahla: man gdm and look for FILES, failing that strace -eopen -o/tmp/gdm.strace gdm (as root) |
| 01:42.43 | sorear | possibly try opendir instead |
| 01:44.07 | Tramp | gkahla: well, themes are under /usr/share/gdm - not sure what you mean with "Xsessions" |
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| 01:44.59 | netdaemon | hmmm...is there any way to flash a bios when the only thing the manufacturer provides is a winflash? |
| 01:45.01 | gkahla | I want to write Xsession files - list of programs to run, ending in a specific windowmanager, and give users options about which environment they log into |
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| 01:46.45 | sorear | netdaemon: install windows, flash, install debian |
| 01:47.23 | gkahla | haha! now *that's* funny! |
| 01:47.23 | netdaemon | sorear, ...thats blasphemy, i wanna work around |
| 01:47.23 | Decepticon | how to check downstream and upstream bandwidth usage from command line? |
| 01:47.44 | netdaemon | i'm quite happy with my debian sid |
| 01:47.50 | sorear | Decepticon: istr reading about a 'ifmonitor' or similar program; I think htop has a mode, and there is definitely a /proc file |
| 01:49.10 | Decepticon | what is it in /proc |
| 01:49.17 | Decepticon | i dont want to have to get anything from apt |
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| 01:49.34 | Decepticon | i dont see anything that strikes me as obviously network related in /proc |
| 01:49.39 | guillaume1 | Decepticon: info on hardware |
| 01:49.47 | Decepticon | what? |
| 01:49.49 | wols_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:50.21 | infinity1 | anyone here real good with firehol? |
| 01:50.35 | infinity1 | i'm stuggling with an uber-complex config. |
| 01:50.36 | wols_ | !anyone |
| 01:50.37 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone uses <someprogram>. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use <someprogram>?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls> |
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| 01:50.46 | sorear | Decepticon: ahem... did you overlook /proc/net? |
| 01:50.51 | infinity1 | wols_: fine. |
| 01:51.05 | ross` | can someone tell me what the command is for apt-cache to list apt-get install options?> |
| 01:51.10 | Decepticon | ah yes |
| 01:51.16 | wols_ | ross`: man apt-get |
| 01:51.18 | chuck | ugh my hard drive will just not work |
| 01:51.20 | chuck | !popcon |
| 01:51.20 | dpkg | i guess popcon is the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. do the dpkg-reconfigure popularity-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff |
| 01:51.20 | ross` | no no |
| 01:51.21 | ross` | apt-cachge |
| 01:51.22 | infinity1 | i need help with firehol. i can't get vpn traffic to the server. this linux box has tun,tap,br,eth interfaces and i can't get them all to play nice with firehol. help |
| 01:51.27 | ross` | i wanna apt-cache unreal |
| 01:51.33 | ross` | and find out which unreal package i need to get |
| 01:51.36 | wols_ | ross`: apt-cache can't be used to see apt-get options.... |
| 01:51.44 | ross` | oh ok |
| 01:51.45 | infinity1 | apt-get install unreal3 |
| 01:51.48 | ross` | well it worked before |
| 01:51.54 | Decepticon | which of these do i cat to see upstream and downstream network speeds realtime |
| 01:51.56 | sorear | ross`: most programs in debian cannot replace other programs |
| 01:51.57 | infinity1 | heh |
| 01:51.57 | wols_ | iter: it never did |
| 01:52.08 | sorear | Decepticon: Try it and see. |
| 01:52.10 | wols_ | Decepticon: does not exist |
| 01:52.24 | chuck | ross`, i would reccommend installing unreal from source |
| 01:52.30 | ross` | ok |
| 01:52.33 | Decepticon | hm |
| 01:52.34 | ross` | wget what then |
| 01:52.43 | chuck | ross`, you have got to be kidding me |
| 01:53.05 | ross` | ?? |
| 01:53.09 | chuck | ross`, quit expecting people to find links for you lol, look at the site: unrealircd.com and find the downloads page |
| 01:53.19 | ross` | ok.. |
| 01:53.33 | guillaume1 | does some of you have setup bluetooth headset on their debian box ? |
| 01:53.35 | wols_ | chuck: how are your harddisks connected to the PC? does the BIOS find them? |
| 01:53.53 | wols_ | guillaume1: don't do popcons, ask your real question |
| 01:54.13 | sorear | Decepticon: look at /proc/net/dev |
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| 01:54.46 | guillaume1 | wols_: okay more precise so :) there is no audio.service in /etc/bluetooth under debian with luez-utils why ? |
| 01:54.57 | guillaume1 | +b |
| 01:55.28 | wols_ | how should we know? |
| 01:55.29 | wols_ | !bt |
| 01:55.29 | dpkg | bt sux0rs. Bhutan, or bluetooth. British Telecom, or bittorrent |
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| 01:57.13 | guillaume1 | wols_: maybe there's a way to fix that with debian, but I didn't find any howto |
| 01:57.15 | chuck | wols_, ide and no, i don't think so |
| 01:57.27 | Nyle | rahul: ping |
| 01:57.28 | Decepticon | sorear thats a little bit helpful |
| 01:57.44 | wols_ | chuck: what other disks are in your machine? |
| 01:58.27 | wols_ | chuck: what disk controller do you use? |
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| 01:58.54 | appelza | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:59.21 | infinity0 | is there a way to purge a package (including configuration files) and then install it again, without uninstalling its dependencies? |
| 01:59.41 | appelza | ie, I want to have /blah/'s contents listed inside /mnt/blah instead of /mnt/blah/blah |
| 02:00.35 | chuck | wols_, i have one other disk |
| 02:00.36 | wols_ | appelza: only root can symlink directories |
| 02:00.39 | pobega | infinity0: I'm not sure if that's possible without getting package manager problems; It'll essentially break the packages installed as dependencies. |
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| 02:01.04 | guillaume1 | wols_: I'm searching this http://wiki.bluez.org/wiki/HOWTO/AudioDevices under lenny if possible |
| 02:01.09 | appelza | lets assume im root then |
| 02:01.16 | wols_ | chuck: most likey you installed the disks wrongly.ie hardware install problem |
| 02:01.22 | appelza | how would i do it, with a trailing slash? (dont have a shell atm to test myself) |
| 02:01.26 | chuck | wols_, yeah, i'm trying to troubleshoot that |
| 02:01.52 | Madd_Matt | infinity0, there's a --reinstall option. I'm not sure if you can combine with --purge somehow |
| 02:02.04 | wols_ | chuck: install only one disk first. checkj if BIOS reognizes the disk then. what disk controller do you have? |
| 02:02.13 | wols_ | chuck: and how big is one of the new disks |
| 02:02.28 | chuck | wols_, the new disk is 80gb and how do i figure out the disk controller? |
| 02:02.37 | wols_ | infinity0: yes there is. man dpkg |
| 02:02.54 | wols_ | chuck: then there shouldn't be any problem |
| 02:03.06 | chuck | and yet there is lol |
| 02:03.50 | Aeroraptor | any idea why every time I try and apt get something, it says the package failed authentication? |
| 02:04.01 | Aeroraptor | this is just a super base install, so something may be missing |
| 02:04.05 | sorear | Decepticon: glad I could help |
| 02:04.19 | infinity0 | wols_: so what, dpkg -purge then dpkg -i? |
| 02:04.21 | sorear | Aeroraptor: you need apt-keyring or something |
| 02:04.31 | wols_ | infinity0: no |
| 02:04.33 | Aeroraptor | sorear, ok, I'll try that |
| 02:04.45 | wols_ | !topicsmite Aeroraptor |
| 02:04.46 | dpkg | And the wrath of /TOPIC descended with terrible fury upon Aeroraptor. And all the people marveled, saying, Behold, we too should read the /TOPIC, lest we be stricken. And all the people read the /TOPIC, and went away edified. |
| 02:04.50 | Aeroraptor | right now I'm waiting for ssh to install, takes ages on this poor 366MHz geode |
| 02:05.29 | Aeroraptor | uh, thanks wols_ ... |
| 02:05.31 | wols_ | chuck: since BIOS doesn't recignized the disk you fucked up installint it |
| 02:06.35 | infinity0 | wols_: so what then? there isn't a reinstall option |
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| 02:06.42 | Cusoon959 | How do I add a screen resolution? |
| 02:07.06 | Cusoon959 | The only available one atm is 1024x786, but I know my card can do 1280*1024... |
| 02:07.11 | guillaume1 | Cusoon959: edit /etc/X11/xorg.conf file |
| 02:07.21 | wols_ | !tell Cusoon959 about drxx |
| 02:07.30 | wols_ | guillaume1: don't tell this to people please |
| 02:07.34 | Cusoon959 | thanks :) |
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| 02:08.22 | guillaume1 | wols_: why ? that's the way i set up resolution |
| 02:08.41 | wols_ | cause it has a high chance of people breaking their X and there is a much better way in debian |
| 02:09.11 | Cusoon959 | Hmmm...I don't know how much memory my video card uses :x |
| 02:09.12 | Aeroraptor | should I be able to apt-get xserver-xorg-video-amd? |
| 02:09.14 | wols_ | especially in this case where he probably uses vesa right now which can't do 1280x1024 on his card probably |
| 02:09.21 | wols_ | Aeroraptor: no |
| 02:09.29 | wols_ | Cusoon959: leave it blank |
| 02:09.31 | Cusoon959 | ok |
| 02:09.40 | wols_ | Cusoon959: what videocard is it? |
| 02:09.49 | Aeroraptor | wols_, I have to download the deb? |
| 02:09.49 | Cusoon959 | Intel GMA 950 |
| 02:10.15 | wols_ | Aeroraptor: no. that deb doesn't exist and when you install xorg all (Free) drivers are installed by default anyways |
| 02:10.24 | Aeroraptor | this one isn't |
| 02:10.36 | wols_ | things that don't exist aren't installed, duh! |
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| 02:10.46 | Aeroraptor | oh, right |
| 02:10.50 | Aeroraptor | so how do I install it? |
| 02:10.55 | Cusoon959 | wols_: Intel GMA 950 |
| 02:11.01 | wols_ | Aeroraptor: sorry. was mistaken |
| 02:11.08 | Aeroraptor | er... about? |
| 02:11.09 | wols_ | Aeroraptor: you install it like any other |
| 02:11.16 | Aeroraptor | how is that then? |
| 02:11.17 | wols_ | that id doesn't exist. it does here on sid |
| 02:11.24 | Cusoon959 | wols_: still leave it blank? |
| 02:11.41 | wols_ | Cusoon959: yes. use "intel" ir "i810" for the drievr when it asks you |
| 02:11.46 | Cusoon959 | yep |
| 02:12.02 | extor | Are these the correct lines to have in my sources.lst if I run testing or should I replace "lenny" with "testing"? |
| 02:12.05 | Cusoon959 | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:12.21 | extor | deb http://ftp.debian.org/debian/ lenny main non-free contrib |
| 02:12.21 | extor | deb-src http://ftp.debian.org/debian/ lenny main non-free contrib |
| 02:12.22 | wols_ | extor: having "lenny" in there is good |
| 02:12.39 | wols_ | extor: use a local mirrir in your country |
| 02:12.42 | extor | wols is there a difference between having "testing" rather than "lenny" in there? |
| 02:12.49 | wols_ | !tell extor about mirrors |
| 02:12.59 | wols_ | extor: lenny isn't testing forever |
| 02:13.07 | Cusoon959 | wols_: Use kernel framebuffer device interface? |
| 02:13.25 | wols_ | Cusoon959: I won't answer every single question it asks |
| 02:13.27 | extor | but right now are they identical? Because I installed my system off a testing DVD from a week back |
| 02:13.54 | wols_ | yes right now lenny is testing |
| 02:13.58 | extor | I did a search for vlc but that did not show up |
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| 02:14.18 | extor | according to videolan.org the debian testing distro always has the vlc package but its not there |
| 02:14.22 | wols | !why is vlc not in testing |
| 02:14.22 | dpkg | vlc is not in testing for the reasons listed in http://bjorn.haxx.se/debian/testing.pl?package=vlc |
| 02:14.32 | extor | so I was wondering if having lenny there might have kept it out |
| 02:14.37 | wols | extor: videolan people have no clue |
| 02:14.48 | extor | oh....so they are confused and confused me I guess |
| 02:15.09 | wols | vlc is missing from testing for months now |
| 02:15.32 | extor | Damn maybe I should just stuck with etch |
| 02:15.44 | wols | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:16.02 | extor | I just needed one driver which was in testing, but I suspect I might be able to "back port" the driver to the 2.6.18 kernel in etch |
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| 02:16.20 | extor | Oh you mean I can install the etch package in lenny? I don't get what you mean here |
| 02:16.21 | wols | extor: no. just use a backport kernel |
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| 02:16.41 | extor | a backport kernel is usually a custom compiled kernel? |
| 02:17.00 | wols | no it's not |
| 02:17.08 | wols | !tell extor about backports |
| 02:17.12 | extor | Ok what I need is the parvel_pata.ko driver which did not appear until 2.6.22 |
| 02:17.14 | epsilon | even the debianised kernel in etch is not vanilla |
| 02:17.42 | extor | So obviously that driver is not in etch...how can I create a custom kernel for etch with that driver backported into it? |
| 02:18.08 | wols | extor: you can but you shouldn't. read what dpkg told you |
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| 02:18.34 | Kevin` | extor it's easier to use a newer kernel with the driver then backport the driver, and the kernel generally doesn't interfere with other packages |
| 02:18.57 | extor | hmm well its just that lenny is presenting so many nuicance problems..I was just debating if it was really worth it or not, thats all. |
| 02:19.22 | extor | for instance vlc is in etch but it is not in lenny...little annoyances like that |
| 02:19.37 | extor | and there is no Xen kernel in lenny but there is in etch |
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| 02:20.19 | Optic | i'm running lenny on my new webserver and it's butter |
| 02:20.42 | DeadlyTiga | hi, i need help with the ipw2100 wlan card on a thinkpad t41. I downloaded the firmware and the card works as dmesg says. But as i use wpasupplicant and start it, i geht fatal interrupt, anyone a idea? |
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| 02:26.26 | Gekz | which is a better idea: initial install from sid repos, or install etch and dist-upgrade to sid? |
| 02:26.43 | dondelelcaro | Gekz: install etch and upgrade |
| 02:26.47 | Gekz | dondelelcaro: why? |
| 02:27.13 | dondelelcaro | Gekz: because sid isn't guaranteed to be installable at any particular point in time. [And if you're asking me why, doubly so.] |
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| 02:27.33 | Gekz | k. |
| 02:30.15 | minus198 | Does anyone know why drop down menus in homepages appear under Flashanimations? Like this: |
| 02:30.17 | minus198 | http://dump.myskul.net/files/buggyfirefox.png |
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| 02:31.00 | Optic | linux netscape has always been like that |
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| 02:31.47 | minus198 | Netscape? |
| 02:31.51 | minus198 | That is firefox.. |
| 02:32.19 | wols | Gekz: you cannot do an initial intall from sid repos unless you do a debootstrap in which case you already have a linux running |
| 02:32.43 | Gekz | can you do an initial install from lenny yet? |
| 02:32.50 | wols | yes |
| 02:32.56 | Gekz | alright. |
| 02:32.59 | wols | but agan: don't do it |
| 02:33.07 | Gekz | I'm just confused about the repo style here :P |
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| 02:33.43 | tuliox | are there public iso images of sid/unstable versions? |
| 02:34.15 | wols | no |
| 02:34.25 | Gekz | are there non-public versions? |
| 02:34.26 | Gekz | lol |
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| 02:34.53 | wols | do you want to check all PCs all over the world to make sure? |
| 02:35.15 | tuliox | lol you guys are mean |
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| 02:35.42 | Gekz | wols: debian has a callhome daemon like Microsoft? :P |
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| 02:36.07 | wols | yes |
| 02:36.08 | wols | !popcon |
| 02:36.09 | dpkg | well, popcon is the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. do the dpkg-reconfigure popularity-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff |
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| 02:36.21 | Gekz | that's not the same, that's optional |
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| 02:36.51 | wols | you didn't talk about "optional". leanr to ask precise questions and don't complain about the answers |
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| 02:37.37 | gbw | what do you call that panel which looks like mac's fisheye? |
| 02:37.53 | wols | gbw: ask #ubuntu |
| 02:37.57 | wols | not us |
| 02:38.21 | gbw | oh? there is such program under debian? |
| 02:39.48 | Gekz | lol wols |
| 02:40.01 | Gekz | gbp: why ask #debian if you use #ubuntu? |
| 02:40.23 | gbw | thought ubuntu is debian deriverate |
| 02:40.40 | gbw | ok, i found it, it is something called cairo-dock |
| 02:40.51 | Gekz | gbw: I dont thint that the topic could make it more clean that this channel IS NOT #UBUNTU |
| 02:40.51 | Gekz | >_> |
| 02:41.09 | Gekz | think* |
| 02:41.31 | gbw | ok, bye, time wasting here |
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| 02:41.44 | S4nD3r | hi there |
| 02:42.02 | S4nD3r | My pendrive is known as Digital Audio Player, is possible to change it ? |
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| 02:43.27 | lindenle | Anybody know if there is a way to get debian installed on a ready NAS? |
| 02:43.44 | S4nD3r | j #gnome |
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| 02:45.53 | GuySoft | hello all, i am now using alsa, but i want to use oss to get secondlife working here. is there a quick way to switch between the sound systems? |
| 02:46.08 | dondelelcaro | GuySoft: alsa has oss emulation, so it shouldn't matter. |
| 02:46.26 | GuySoft | dondelelcaro, tried it, makes SL crash.. |
| 02:46.41 | dondelelcaro | GuySoft: well, oss pretty much isn't supported at all anymore |
| 02:47.04 | GuySoft | i wrote a bash script that did the trick, but it stoped working |
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| 02:47.40 | xur1z | does it block yahoo and msn too? |
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| 02:47.43 | GuySoft | dondelelcaro, i dono, i tried looking for it.. and i carnt find how to get it to work on alsa, there is also a configuration in the script to make it use alsa.. it doesnt work |
| 02:48.08 | xur1z | excuse me, that question is hours old. please ignore. |
| 02:48.25 | vvn | dondelelcaro: finally, my memory problem didn't fix the boot hang :\ |
| 02:49.02 | GuySoft | this used to get oss running here, but it stopped working: http://pastebin.com/m735c3978 |
| 02:49.09 | Gekz | GuySoft: aoss secondlife? |
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| 02:49.40 | Gekz | it's the alsa-oss wrapper script |
| 02:49.44 | GuySoft | Gekz, was suggested about a minute ago, doesn't work, crashes |
| 02:49.52 | Gekz | what's the error |
| 02:49.57 | GuySoft | wait ill try |
| 02:50.12 | wols | GuySoft:do you have a /dev/dsp? |
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| 02:50.34 | GuySoft | FSOUND_Output_OSS_Wait : Timeout on audio write. Caused by bad driver! |
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| 02:50.52 | GuySoft | wols, yes i have /dev/dsp, isnt that from alsa? |
| 02:51.02 | wols | no, it's OSS |
| 02:51.10 | cp | whats the package name called for all compilers |
| 02:51.10 | GuySoft | Gekz, thats the output of alsa |
| 02:51.12 | wols | also: first load the alsa drivers, then the OSS emulation |
| 02:51.13 | cp | gcc and suc |
| 02:51.16 | wols | not the other way around |
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| 02:51.28 | wols | !tell cp about b-e |
| 02:51.43 | GuySoft | wols, i have /dev/dsp and /dev/dsp1 |
| 02:51.56 | GuySoft | wols, so, if i turn alsa off, maybe oss might work? |
| 02:52.22 | wols | GuySoft: no |
| 02:52.26 | wols | there is no OSS in debian |
| 02:52.30 | GuySoft | wols, how do i do that? udev seems to be hard to time.. |
| 02:52.49 | wols | GuySoft: do you have two soundcards in your system? |
| 02:52.54 | GuySoft | wols, no. |
| 02:53.04 | wols | and those "modprobe" lines in your paste are not udev... |
| 02:53.15 | GuySoft | wait, ill make sure its not a symbolic link.. |
| 02:54.08 | GuySoft | wols, the bash script i run after startup.. and its obsolete.. stopped working when they changed to alsa-utiles |
| 02:54.28 | GuySoft | no, its not a link.. |
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| 02:56.44 | GuySoft | wols, how come there is no oss in debian, if i have /dev/dsp ? |
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| 02:57.20 | wols | you've been told again aind again: ALSA OSS emulation |
| 02:57.56 | GuySoft | wols, could there be something wrong with the emulation then? |
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| 02:58.34 | friendlys | is there a way to go through all your folders recursively and delete all folders that are named "CVS" ? |
| 02:58.56 | Gekz | GuySoft: did you try to google for an answer? |
| 02:59.12 | GuySoft | Gekz, i did for a while.. i am also googling now 2.. actualy.. |
| 02:59.16 | zythmer | friendlys: yes, with find(1) |
| 02:59.23 | GuySoft | Gekz, i keep getting irrelevant things.. |
| 02:59.35 | Gekz | here's your answer |
| 02:59.36 | Gekz | https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/SVC-53#action_17541 |
| 02:59.40 | friendlys | find(1)? |
| 02:59.42 | friendlys | i dont get it |
| 03:00.01 | cp | how can i get apt-get to stop asking for a cd when i install programs and just download from ftp |
| 03:00.35 | karsten | cp: Take 'cdrom' entries out of /etc/apt/sources.list |
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| 03:01.00 | zythmer | friendlys: find /path -type d -name CVS ... |
| 03:01.03 | karsten | cp: ... and ensure you've got ftp/http entries in there. |
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| 03:01.44 | cp | k thanks |
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| 03:02.06 | karsten | cp: 'netselect-apt' may be your friend there. |
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| 03:02.28 | cp | ? |
| 03:02.37 | karsten | cp: man netselect-apt |
| 03:02.41 | cp | ahh |
| 03:02.43 | GuySoft | Gekz, ok, let me try that |
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| 03:08.22 | vvn | how could I "repair" syslogd and klogd? |
| 03:08.27 | S4nD3r | My pendrive is recognized as IPOD, how to change it ? (GnOME) |
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| 03:09.49 | archangel7863 | what is the deb equivalent for the package db4-devel> |
| 03:10.22 | archangel7863 | db4-devel |
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| 03:10.29 | Cusoon959 | Hello all :D |
| 03:10.36 | Cusoon959 | I did it...Debian is awesome |
| 03:10.44 | Cusoon959 | But...one prob...wireless card >.< |
| 03:10.50 | Cusoon959 | make -C driver |
| 03:10.50 | Cusoon959 | make[1]: Entering directory `/home/nick/ndiswrapper-1.50/driver' |
| 03:10.50 | Cusoon959 | Makefile:35: *** Cannot find kernel version in /lib/modules/2.6.18-5-686/build, is it configured?. Stop. |
| 03:11.36 | GuySoft | wols, ok, it didnt work, but i think i know the problem |
| 03:12.08 | archangel7863 | isn't there anyone who can tell the deb equivalent for db4-devel |
| 03:12.13 | GuySoft | wols, i have no .asoundrc file. when i used the one he gave, i had no sound at all! .. i guess that might be what could effect the problem |
| 03:12.22 | archangel7863 | I can't seem to find the right one |
| 03:12.38 | predder | archangel7863, apt-cache search db4 is the best I've got for you |
| 03:12.46 | predder | which only brings up runtime libraries |
| 03:13.15 | archangel7863 | predder, I tried that but and downloaded all the results but n vain |
| 03:13.17 | Cusoon959 | Can anyone help w/ my prob? |
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| 03:14.08 | predder | Cusoon959, please don't paste in the channel |
| 03:14.46 | Cusoon959 | sorry predder |
| 03:15.26 | Cusoon959 | With Nautilus...how can I make it act more like the Ubuntu Nautilus, where you have a tab on the left, and when you open a folder, it opens in the same window? |
| 03:15.39 | Cusoon959 | nvm about my first prob |
| 03:15.41 | Cusoon959 | fixed it ^^] |
| 03:16.36 | vvn | how do I disable ALL of my boot scripts? |
| 03:16.43 | vvn | I need to debug an issue |
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| 03:17.06 | dondelelcaro | vvn: init=/bin/bash |
| 03:17.16 | dondelelcaro | (though generally init=single is good enough) |
| 03:17.29 | vvn | dondelelcaro: init1 runs fine, init2 hangs |
| 03:17.32 | dondelelcaro | err, /sbin/init 1; of course. |
| 03:17.39 | dondelelcaro | vvn: oh, still this same problem? |
| 03:17.41 | hark | Cusoon959: you need the headers for your kernel |
| 03:17.43 | vvn | I wanna test which script hangs |
| 03:17.44 | vvn | yep |
| 03:17.56 | dondelelcaro | vvn: just start in runlevel 1 and start running the scripts from runlevel 2 |
| 03:18.07 | vvn | oh didnt kow you could |
| 03:18.09 | vvn | lets do that |
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| 03:18.29 | karsten | vvn: suggestion. |
| 03:18.33 | Cusoon959 | hark: I know, I fixed that already |
| 03:18.35 | karsten | vvn: Run 'screen' in runlevel 1. |
| 03:18.44 | karsten | vvn: ... so that if the script hangs you've still got a shell. |
| 03:18.44 | Cusoon959 | This is my prob now: |
| 03:18.46 | Cusoon959 | With Nautilus...how can I make it act more like the Ubuntu Nautilus, where you have a tab on the left, and when you open a folder, it opens in the same window? |
| 03:18.48 | hark | Cusoon959: ndiswrapper is in Debian too, you don't need to compile it |
| 03:18.54 | DeadlyTiga | new try: i have a ipw2100 and i can use it to join open wlan, but when i want to use wpa i get ipw2100: Fatal interrupt. Scheduling firmware restart. Any idea? |
| 03:18.55 | vvn | karsten: good idea, thanks |
| 03:18.57 | \amethyst | vvn: seomthing like: for x in /etc/rc2.d/S*; do echo "Running $x" sh -x "$x" start; done |
| 03:19.08 | S4nD3r | vvn: Use rcconf |
| 03:19.14 | Cusoon959 | I want the latest :) |
| 03:19.16 | Aeroraptor | Where is the file that specifies what WM startx starts? |
| 03:19.23 | Aeroraptor | I want to change mine from icewm to twm |
| 03:19.25 | hark | Cusoon959: edit->preferences and look for "Always open in browser windows" |
| 03:19.32 | Cusoon959 | ok, thanks hark |
| 03:19.38 | dondelelcaro | Aeroraptor: x-window-manager, it's an alternative. |
| 03:19.48 | Aeroraptor | alternative what? |
| 03:19.53 | dondelelcaro | !alternatives |
| 03:19.53 | dpkg | i guess alternatives is the way Debian manages multiple applications with the same function. For more info, man update-alternatives. |
| 03:20.04 | dondelelcaro | Aeroraptor: but if you want something just for your user, make a .Xsession with something like exec twm |
| 03:20.13 | Aeroraptor | hrmmm |
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| 03:20.41 | karsten | What's the 'um' kernel arch? |
| 03:21.04 | karsten | uml. NM. |
| 03:21.07 | dondelelcaro | karsten: it's for 'like' processors. |
| 03:21.22 | karsten | dondelelcaro: um, what? |
| 03:21.28 | dondelelcaro | karsten: like, no way. |
| 03:21.28 | S4nD3r | vvn: Its ok ? |
| 03:21.41 | karsten | dondelelcaro: I thought it was for, um, like, whatever processors. |
| 03:21.55 | karsten | dondelelcaro: um, dude! |
| 03:21.55 | dondelelcaro | karsten: that's what the chipset is called. |
| 03:22.04 | sorear | karsten: you can ^C bootscripts... |
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| 03:23.17 | karsten | dondelelcaro: It's *not* UML? |
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| 03:24.32 | sorear | karsten: he's making a joke, afaict |
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| 03:24.39 | sorear | karsten: um as in the interjection |
| 03:24.50 | karsten | sorear: That was my first take. |
| 03:25.14 | Xenguy | !deluge |
| 03:25.15 | dpkg | hmm... deluge is a pygtk bittorrent client co-developed by our very own markybob. visit http://www.deluge-torrent.org for more |
| 03:25.15 | lindenle | My iceweasel seems super slow |
| 03:25.21 | lindenle | anyone have the same feeling/ |
| 03:25.23 | dondelelcaro | um is the arch, like is the processor, whatever is the chipset. |
| 03:25.32 | vvn | S4nD3r: It's installing, sorry I have 1 monitor for 2 computers |
| 03:25.38 | dondelelcaro | lindenle: if you do, try midori or netsurf |
| 03:25.44 | karsten | dondelelcaro: no way! |
| 03:25.47 | S4nD3r | ok then |
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| 03:25.56 | _maw | has anyone seen a scp transfer on LAN drop to <100KB/s after transferring a few hundres MB? |
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| 03:26.11 | lindenle | dondelelcaro: ok moment |
| 03:26.11 | karsten | dondelelcaro: ... let me guess: that's the branding term. |
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| 03:27.28 | S4nD3r | amsn-me: carlosalexsander@gmail.com |
| 03:27.51 | sorear | *zot* |
| 03:28.47 | karsten | sorear: :) |
| 03:28.56 | sorear | _maw: some ISPs (at least Cox) have a history-dependant throttle so short bursts get much higher bandwidth, when it figures out that the connection is long it goes down to a sustainable speed |
| 03:29.09 | _maw | this is on LAN, same subnet |
| 03:29.16 | _maw | 192.168.x.x address scheme |
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| 03:29.29 | _maw | starts off around 11MB/s, sustained then after 700mb or so drops to 50KB/s |
| 03:29.35 | lindenle | will apt-get work with a socks 5 ssh tunnel? |
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| 03:31.14 | Xenguy | Hi - I have installed deluge and want to experiment with a blocklist plug-in, but in the default debian install I just did there is no such plug-in listed... |
| 03:31.18 | sorear | lindenle: man apt.conf /proxy |
| 03:31.27 | Xenguy | I can't find any information on how to add it... |
| 03:31.44 | Xenguy | has anyone crossed this bridge before? |
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| 03:34.59 | vvn | woa |
| 03:35.19 | vvn | weee |
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| 03:39.58 | sorear | funny how idle this channel is for 900 people |
| 03:40.16 | _Sam-- | 627 showing on my count |
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| 03:40.38 | troubled | dondelelcaro: um, you know like i might just have to screenshot you like humour :) |
| 03:40.42 | sorear | 900 was before the split |
| 03:41.41 | piecesandbits | what the hell just happened? |
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| 03:44.00 | kgoetz | :( |
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| 03:44.34 | vvn | \o/ I booted in init2! |
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| 03:45.45 | joshxx | jebus |
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| 03:49.55 | Cusoon959 | How do I put /usr/sbin in the include path? e.g. to open /usr/sbin/foo I can just type foo at the terminal. |
| 03:50.31 | Tramp | !path |
| 03:50.32 | dpkg | methinks path is the environment variable that tells the OS where to look for programs. It's defined in /etc/profile or ~/.bash_profile or ~/.profile (for sh-like shells) or ~/.login for csh-like shells. |
| 03:50.44 | Cusoon959 | oh, thanks you :) |
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| 03:52.14 | Tramp | or in .bashrc or in /etc/environment or in global or local .xsession(rc) or ... |
| 03:52.58 | lupu81 | On my notebook power management doesnt go |
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| 03:55.22 | vvn | why would my crond not stop on a SIGTERM & SIGKILL? |
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| 03:56.03 | sorear | vvn: hardware failure |
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| 03:58.44 | vvn | sorear: what kind? |
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| 03:59.36 | sorear | vvn: anything. signals are only handled on system call return, so if a device driver falls into an infinite loop, the process will become immune to SIGKILL |
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| 03:59.39 | K|NgGh0sT | How do I remove all of KDE? what packages is all kde? |
| 03:59.40 | sorear | vvn: check dmesg |
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| 04:00.38 | vvn | sorear: ??????? ???? ??????? '???? ?? ????? |
| 04:00.44 | vvn | dang |
| 04:00.53 | sorear | vvn: that's bad |
| 04:00.54 | vvn | sorear: already did, nothing wrong in dmesg |
| 04:02.12 | sorear | vvn: just to check, grep SigPnd /proc/`pidof cron`/status shows bit 9 set? |
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| 04:04.32 | Cusoon959 | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:04.34 | Cusoon959 | oops |
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| 04:05.45 | vvn | uh...woa thats a deep command, lemme try next boot |
| 04:07.13 | K|NgGh0sT | ooo that was a mistake... I apt-get removed perl |
| 04:07.51 | vvn | ouch :\ |
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| 04:09.50 | Gekz__ | when trying to build_netboot with debian-installer, I get this error quite far into the build process: http://texticle.net/253 |
| 04:10.10 | vvn | sorear: it's only zeroes |
| 04:10.12 | vvn | that bad? |
| 04:11.25 | K|NgGh0sT | um |
| 04:11.28 | K|NgGh0sT | crap |
| 04:11.42 | Gekz | hmm |
| 04:11.42 | Gekz | it doesnt make sense |
| 04:11.59 | K|NgGh0sT | dpkg --configure -a dpkg: unable to access dpkg status area: Read-only file system |
| 04:12.04 | K|NgGh0sT | how can I fix that? |
| 04:12.13 | vvn | GG |
| 04:12.31 | vvn | shutdown -rF is my way but I think there are others |
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| 04:13.25 | pobega | K|NgGh0sT: Use `mount` to see if your filesystem is mounted as read-only (ro) |
| 04:14.36 | K|NgGh0sT | pobega, it is... |
| 04:15.09 | penp | to test it use touch on the filesystem |
| 04:15.11 | penp | like |
| 04:15.15 | penp | touch /test |
| 04:15.19 | penp | on each of the partitions |
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| 04:15.21 | K|NgGh0sT | its read only |
| 04:15.24 | penp | touch /home/test |
| 04:15.28 | mbroeker | K|NgGh0sT, mount -o remount,rw / remounts it rw |
| 04:15.38 | penp | oh |
| 04:15.39 | penp | nm lol |
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| 04:16.29 | K|NgGh0sT | mount: block device /dev/sda1 is write-protected, mounting read-only |
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| 04:16.46 | stopher | Hey guys- I am having another issue with files. I went to chmod /var/www/files/list, to 777. So this would make all image files in that dir 777. No go. Even in ssh or at the terminal itself, I cannot change it. I get: "Operation not permitted.". Therefore, I can also not FTP those files to my desktop from the server. How can I fix this? |
| 04:17.08 | mbroeker | K|NgGh0sT, is it a memory stick | pen-drive or similiar? |
| 04:17.15 | K|NgGh0sT | its a sata drive |
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| 04:19.01 | K|NgGh0sT | mbroeker, what do I do? |
| 04:19.14 | mbroeker | K|NgGh0sT, i have no clue |
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| 04:20.37 | mbroeker | K|NgGh0sT, enter: mount -o remount,rw / |
| 04:20.47 | mbroeker | and you got the write-protect message again? |
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| 04:21.29 | mythomaniac | is there way to have say, issue a command and have that command list all the files in a directory, and its sup directories, while spitting that list out into a text file? |
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| 04:21.39 | vvn | sorear: is that good if it outputs only zeroes? |
| 04:21.47 | dondelelcaro | mythomaniac: using find and tee, yes. |
| 04:22.04 | sorear | erm... missed last message *reread* |
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| 04:22.18 | vvn | mbroeker: I'd reboot and run a fsck |
| 04:22.21 | dondelelcaro | troubled: sure; shoot it at me |
| 04:22.31 | troubled | :) |
| 04:22.43 | sorear | vvn: if it's all zeroes it's good |
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| 04:22.59 | vvn | ok, thanks |
| 04:22.59 | sorear | vvn: the idea is you check *after* trying and failing to kill -KILL |
| 04:23.18 | sorear | vvn: since the 0's mean 'no pending signals'... and there are none on a fresh boot |
| 04:23.21 | mythomaniac | dondelelcaro: tee seems to need a file input? |
| 04:23.32 | dondelelcaro | mythomaniac: no, it needs stdin and a file output. |
| 04:23.49 | dondelelcaro | mythomaniac: in this case, something like find . -type f|tee fileoutput; |
| 04:24.12 | mythomaniac | dondelelcaro: oh wow, that is nice |
| 04:24.24 | mythomaniac | dondelelcaro: so tee can act like a pipe? |
| 04:24.37 | dondelelcaro | mythomaniac: no |
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| 04:24.49 | dondelelcaro | all tee does is write stdin to the listed files and stdout |
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| 04:25.19 | dondelelcaro | | <-- just connects stdout to stdin |
| 04:25.53 | SexyKen | Hey guys -- anyone ever have a problem where SSH takes extremely long to establish a connection to your server? |
| 04:26.01 | SexyKen | Been waiting about 2 mins so far here |
| 04:26.14 | dondelelcaro | SexyKen: yes, it usually means that your machine's IP doesn't reverse. |
| 04:26.20 | mbroeker | K|NgGh0sT, are you sure that sda1 is your harddrive and not your burner cdrom or similar? |
| 04:26.20 | dondelelcaro | SexyKen: though two minutes is a bit excessive. |
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| 04:26.29 | dondelelcaro | SexyKen: run with ssh -vv; to see what it's doing. |
| 04:26.44 | K|NgGh0sT | ITs my sata drive, I just booted into a live cd and ran fsck, fixxed a ton of errors |
| 04:26.44 | mbroeker | well its sda1 thats not a cdrom. i am tired... |
| 04:28.09 | SexyKen | Yucky |
| 04:28.09 | stopher | whoa...netsplit! :) |
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| 04:28.09 | SexyKen | It simply says "Conecting to...." and stalls for a while |
| 04:28.09 | SexyKen | Until it gets the pw prompt |
| 04:28.10 | vvn | holy cow! |
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| 04:28.10 | mythomaniac | dondelelcaro: if I am reading the man-pages right it states that find only looks for symbolic links? |
| 04:28.13 | vvn | I got the defect boot script! |
| 04:28.24 | vvn | uh...how do you say that correctly in english? |
| 04:28.25 | SexyKen | Any idea how to make it connect faster if my ip indeed doesn't reverse? |
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| 04:28.50 | Tramp | SexyKen: (1) fix the reverse lookup (2) man sshd_config, search for UseDNS |
| 04:29.05 | SexyKen | Funny you meantion that.... |
| 04:29.08 | SexyKen | I have usedns = no |
| 04:29.36 | SexyKen | Actually |
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| 04:29.47 | SexyKen | It appears to stall at "Next authentication method: gssapi-with-mic' |
| 04:29.55 | stopher | whoa...netsplit! :) |
| 04:29.57 | stopher | Hey guys- I am having another issue with files. I went to chmod /var/www/files/list, to 777. So this would make all image files in that dir 777. No go. Even in ssh or at the terminal itself, I cannot change it. I get: "Operation not permitted.". Therefore, I can also not FTP those files to my desktop from the server. How can I fix this? |
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| 04:30.30 | SexyKen | Then it says "Cannot determine realm fo rnumerica host address" ;-) rdns |
| 04:30.31 | SexyKen | hrm |
| 04:30.44 | sorear | mbroeker: sda1 *could* be a cd burner... they do make SCSI cd burners... (and maybe sata too) |
| 04:31.01 | K|NgGh0sT | Of course they make sata burners |
| 04:31.10 | K|NgGh0sT | But it's a sata drive, and I fixxed it. Thanks guys |
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| 04:31.21 | SexyKen | Not sure why it craps out even when I have it disabled |
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| 04:31.56 | CalJohn | trying to get virtualbox working on a stock kernel. I've install virtualbox-ose-modules, but virtualbox still complains that it can't find it's kernel module; vboxdrv |
| 04:32.02 | K|NgGh0sT | I keep getting this though, Can't exec "locale": Permission denied at /usr/share/perl5/Debconf/Encoding.pm line 16. Use of uninitialized value in scalar chomp at /usr/share/perl5/Debconf/Encoding.pm line 17. is that something to worry about? |
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| 04:34.10 | kgoetz | fark |
| 04:34.28 | Tramp | SexyKen: GSSApi is something else. Do you have it enabled? |
| 04:34.47 | stopher | netglue :) |
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| 04:35.35 | SexyKen | Tramp: I dont believe I do....shows no where that I do |
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| 04:35.55 | sorear | vvn: what happened? |
| 04:36.15 | Seven_Six_Two | netsplit |
| 04:36.43 | Tramp | SexyKen: hmm. Check in global and local client config (and also in global server config) |
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| 04:36.53 | [Gekz] | when trying to build_netboot with debian-installer, I get this error quite far into the build process: http://texticle.net/253 |
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| 04:37.32 | [Gekz] | according to a mailing list, it has something to do with bug #433874 |
| 04:37.34 | Tramp | stopher: so you are root on your www server. Then what exactly are you doing? |
| 04:37.47 | Decepticon | what can i use to stream music to my winxp laptop from my debian box which has all my mp3 and flac files (limited by 60kB/s upload or 512kbps upload) i want to be able to change tracks and stream at a appropriate bitrate good for my upload speed? |
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| 04:38.28 | Seven_Six_Two | Decepticon, have you checked out icecast? |
| 04:38.37 | Decepticon | no but i will now |
| 04:38.37 | Cusoon959 | How do I chown my whole external drive to the user 'nick'? |
| 04:39.08 | Decepticon | Seven_Six_Two icecast doesnt say anything about flac |
| 04:39.10 | mythomaniac | dondelelcaro: thanks dondelelcaro, after reading the man-pages fully I see that the command that you gave is indeed that way that you do it - guess I should have issued the command, but I like know what I am doing before I run something ;) |
| 04:39.11 | sorear | Cusoon959: chown -R nick:nick /mountpoint, note that this will pretty effectively destroy an OS install |
| 04:39.13 | mbroeker | Cusoon959, chown -R nick:group |
| 04:39.18 | Cusoon959 | thanks |
| 04:39.19 | Cusoon959 | :) |
| 04:39.19 | Decepticon | or does it? |
| 04:39.28 | Cusoon959 | so chown -R /media/Herbert |
| 04:39.33 | Cusoon959 | so chown -R /media/Herbert nick |
| 04:39.39 | Cusoon959 | Why do I need a group? |
| 04:39.41 | sorear | 20:39 < sorear> Cusoon959: chown -R nick:nick /mountpoint, note that this will pretty effectively destroy an OS install |
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| 04:39.50 | Cusoon959 | ah |
| 04:39.51 | Cusoon959 | ok |
| 04:40.03 | Cusoon959 | sorry |
| 04:40.22 | sorear | Cusoon959: the :group part is optional, but on debian systems it's usually set the same as the user name |
| 04:40.27 | Tramp | Cusoon959: out of curiosity: are your manpages broken? |
| 04:40.27 | Cusoon959 | ok |
| 04:40.33 | Cusoon959 | Tramp: no...sorry |
| 04:40.41 | Cusoon959 | I'll man chown first next time ; |
| 04:40.42 | Cusoon959 | ;)* |
| 04:40.51 | Tramp | great idea 8) |
| 04:41.06 | Seven_Six_Two | Decepticon, ogg flac (i don't think you'd lose much putting them in a container) |
| 04:41.33 | Decepticon | i cant be arsed though |
| 04:41.35 | Decepticon | i have too much stuff |
| 04:41.46 | Seven_Six_Two | like 20,000? |
| 04:42.11 | Cusoon959 | WTF? My external drive is mounted as read only O_o |
| 04:42.20 | kgoetz | ntfs? |
| 04:42.24 | Cusoon959 | ext3 |
| 04:42.42 | mbroeker | sorear, no problem: sed "s/root/Herbert/ g" /etc/passwd |
| 04:42.44 | kgoetz | has it got errors? |
| 04:42.57 | Cusoon959 | kgoetz: I don't think so... |
| 04:43.18 | sorear | mbroeker: huh? |
| 04:43.19 | kgoetz | Cusoon959: how did it get mounted? |
| 04:43.28 | Cusoon959 | kgoetz: I just plugged it in...hehe |
| 04:43.36 | kgoetz | Cusoon959: it automounted? |
| 04:43.42 | Cusoon959 | yup |
| 04:43.42 | sorear | debian doesn't automount... |
| 04:43.45 | Cusoon959 | Well... |
| 04:43.48 | Cusoon959 | it did.. O_o |
| 04:43.52 | sorear | are you sure you're not using ubuntu? |
| 04:43.57 | kgoetz | sorear: hm? mine does |
| 04:43.57 | Cusoon959 | Entirely sure |
| 04:43.59 | Cusoon959 | this is Debian |
| 04:44.01 | Cusoon959 | Etch |
| 04:44.14 | Seven_Six_Two | Decepticon, http://irmp3.sourceforge.net/ |
| 04:44.14 | Cusoon959 | Etch automounts apparently |
| 04:44.17 | sorear | kgoetz: odd. |
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| 04:44.37 | kgoetz | sorear: Etch definately automounts usb media, and i think optical as well |
| 04:44.51 | Decepticon | Seven_Six_Two that looks like a jukebox |
| 04:44.54 | sorear | hm.. how do I disable this? |
| 04:44.56 | mbroeker | sorear, renaming of root works fine. i have testet it with a ldap installation and mapped the admin to root. |
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| 04:45.07 | sorear | mbroeker: why are you telling me this? |
| 04:45.12 | kgoetz | sorear: desktop -> prefs -> media (or similar) |
| 04:45.26 | mbroeker | sorear, it was the topic of our conversation. |
| 04:45.27 | sorear | kgoetz: desktop? haha |
| 04:45.35 | Seven_Six_Two | Decepticon, lol. sorry, I didn't look closely enough. |
| 04:45.38 | kgoetz | sorear: you use kde then? |
| 04:45.38 | Decepticon | Seven_Six_Two, looking to stream flac and mp3 hosted on debian box to a client winamp (with ability to seek and next track/prev track) on winxp |
| 04:45.42 | K|NgGh0sT | I have an apt-get problem where its having dependancy problems, heres a log http://pastebin.ca/807983 wondering if anyone knows how to get around it |
| 04:45.58 | sorear | kgoetz: hell no |
| 04:46.15 | Seven_Six_Two | Decepticon, they're on the same subnet? |
| 04:46.15 | stopher | I get "operation not permitted" when trying to chmod 777 on /var/www/files/list. I cannot move the files in /var/www/x/x to my desktop because of the file permissions. I have tried chmod to 777 666 775 to all fail. I have also chown'd to nobody and my username...niether of which works. Any input? |
| 04:46.24 | Cusoon959 | nvm. I umounted then remounted, it works now |
| 04:46.25 | Cusoon959 | :) |
| 04:46.28 | Decepticon | Seven_Six_Two, no they maybe on the internet different places, or on the same LAN or wherever |
| 04:46.49 | Decepticon | need it to work from wherever i have internet |
| 04:46.52 | Tramp | stopher: so you are root on your www server. Then what exactly are you doing? |
| 04:47.05 | kgoetz | ah, 'removable drives and media' :) |
| 04:47.05 | Seven_Six_Two | Decepticon, oh ok. What I did with my work laptop is access my files through smb |
| 04:47.17 | Decepticon | Seven_Six_Two yeah but thats a little nasty when i have flac |
| 04:47.21 | SexyKen | Tramp: I found it and disabled |
| 04:47.23 | SexyKen | Same darn thing. |
| 04:47.30 | sorear | kgoetz: if I liked desktops I'd still be using windows |
| 04:47.46 | sorear | kgoetz: all my system administration is done at a # |
| 04:47.52 | kgoetz | sorear: i consider your attitude broken, but thatss just me :) |
| 04:47.54 | Decepticon | Seven_Six_Two, it gets choppy over samba with flac on my internet connection upload of 512kbps... thats why i need a streaming server that adjusts bitrate appropriately |
| 04:47.54 | kgoetz | sorear: ditto |
| 04:48.09 | Tramp | SexyKen: well. Client still tries gss-foobar and hangs there? |
| 04:48.28 | stopher | Tramp: I cannot chmod the files to where I can ftp them from the server onto my desktop. I get "operation not permitted" |
| 04:49.06 | Tramp | stopher: as root? pastebin exactly what you type and what the answer is. |
| 04:49.20 | SexyKen | I am no longer getting that error, it is the error regarding the numeric value now (reverse dns I assume? |
| 04:49.50 | [Gekz] | Here's the debug output of the screwup with my netboot build: http://texticle.net/254 |
| 04:49.52 | Tramp | stopher: also pastebin an "lsattr" of one of the files |
| 04:50.06 | sorear | kgoetz: and I'm not using any desktop environment. for the longest time I didn't even have X installed, then I got tired of the lack of decent framebuffer pdf viewers - now I run xorg, several urxvts, an ultra-minimalist wm (xmonad specifically, but only as a historical accident), and the occasional xpdf/gv |
| 04:50.18 | K|NgGh0sT | Please someone help me with my dependancy issues :( |
| 04:50.18 | Tramp | SexyKen: can you pastebin the output of running ssh -vv? |
| 04:50.19 | stopher | Tramp: I am typing "chmod 777 /var/www/files/list" and it returns antoher # command line. In FTP when I chmod, it says "operation not permitted." if i check to see if it worked correctly in terminal, it stil shows files and directory as 600 not 777. |
| 04:50.39 | sorear | stopher: afair, most ftps won't do a root login |
| 04:50.51 | stopher | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:50.59 | Seven_Six_Two | Decepticon, well if I were you I'd stuff the flac in an ogg and use something with a good featureset. |
| 04:51.02 | kgoetz | sorear: i use a desktop for most things - this is coming from irssi, ut i havent had time to find most things out |
| 04:51.10 | stopher | I use su for root when on terminal. |
| 04:51.10 | Decepticon | Seven_Six_Two alrgiht well ill consider it |
| 04:51.21 | Decepticon | Seven_Six_Two im thinking about it now... that i look at the options... and might stick to icecast |
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| 04:51.35 | Tramp | stopher: this is then probably somthing your ftp-server does.. But when the files are 600, you should be able to download them |
| 04:51.53 | stopher | I get "operation not permitted" when trying to download. |
| 04:52.06 | stopher | I am using proftpd 1.3.0 |
| 04:52.09 | Seven_Six_Two | Decepticon, I would. It's probably pretty good. |
| 04:52.32 | Seven_Six_Two | It sucks having to process a whole bunch of files though. |
| 04:52.45 | Decepticon | Seven_Six_Two do you know if icecast on the debian box would allow winamp on winxp to skip tracks/seek/prev track/next track/ select specific songs? |
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| 04:53.05 | Decepticon | or do i have to do that over icecast's http interface or something |
| 04:53.06 | Seven_Six_Two | Decepticon, I have no idea. sorry |
| 04:54.18 | Seven_Six_Two | I've never actually used it. too much trouble for what I wanted to do. |
| 04:54.18 | K|NgGh0sT | argh this is giving me a migrane |
| 04:54.18 | Cusoon959 | When I plug in my headphones, audio still plays thru internal speakers |
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| 04:54.25 | Seven_Six_Two | K| |
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| 04:56.22 | Cusoon959 | Can anyone help? |
| 04:56.57 | Seven_Six_Two | K|NgGh0sT, where's /tmp/fmtutil.DjR12399 as per your pastebin post |
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| 04:57.52 | K|NgGh0sT | /usr/bin/fmtutil: line 336: /texconfig/tcfmgr: No such file or directory |
| 04:57.53 | K|NgGh0sT | fmtutil: config file `fmtutil.cnf' not found. |
| 04:57.58 | devin_ | Need some help here. I tried reinstalling Konqueror because it kept using 99% cpu and now im getting ( dpkg: unable to access dpkg status area: Read-only file system) any idea how to fix this? |
| 04:58.21 | kgoetz | devin_: do it as root |
| 04:58.26 | devin_ | i am |
| 04:58.42 | Seven_Six_Two | K|NgGh0sT, that log says that there was something wrong and the info is in that log and this one: /tmp/updmap.uRP12569 |
| 04:59.05 | K|NgGh0sT | That log shows what I pasted above |
| 04:59.18 | [Gekz] | come on, someone please help me -_- |
| 04:59.25 | K|NgGh0sT | updmap: config file updmap.cfg not found. |
| 04:59.31 | K|NgGh0sT | Thats what the next one says |
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| 04:59.53 | rvalles | Is someone here familiar with japanese encodings? I got some stuff from winny and after unzipping it, the file names are in an unknown encoding (ls says ???? everywhere). I've tried to (temptativelly) convert then with convmv to utf-8 using JIS, SJIS, EUC-JP and ISO-2022-JP, but the resulting names are always crap. Which encoding does windows use for japanese filenames? |
| 05:00.23 | mbroeker | devin_, are you using lenny? |
| 05:00.39 | devin_ | mbroeker yes |
| 05:00.53 | GreaseMonkey | windows would probably use SJIS (Shift-JIS) |
| 05:01.04 | mbroeker | devin_, can you paste ldd /usr/bin/konqueror plz? |
| 05:01.21 | GreaseMonkey | although you have to make sure you have your fonts installed |
| 05:01.31 | GreaseMonkey | they're the kochi-* fonts |
| 05:02.10 | devin_ | mbroeker yes hang on |
| 05:02.45 | mbroeker | ok devin_ |
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| 05:03.28 | K|NgGh0sT | Seven_Six_Two, what do you suggest? |
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| 05:04.53 | devin_ | mbroeker its a bit different i must note that i am testing a install of kubuntu |
| 05:05.23 | devin_ | im unable to locate it |
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| 05:05.26 | Seven_Six_Two | K|NgGh0sT, In Debian, fmtutil.cnf is a file that is generated from |
| 05:05.26 | Seven_Six_Two | # configuration files in /etc/texmf/fmt.d/. This file, 00tex.cnf, |
| 05:05.26 | Seven_Six_Two | # contains only some comments on how to edit these files. |
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| 05:06.09 | K|NgGh0sT | Seven_Six_Two, alrighty, how do I fix that? |
| 05:06.16 | [Gekz] | what is mklibs for? |
| 05:06.19 | Seven_Six_Two | I think you should either try to recreate the configuration files that it wants, or reinstall the packages |
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| 05:06.42 | K|NgGh0sT | I tried reinstalling the packages, everytime it just fails on dependancy |
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| 05:07.20 | mbroeker | K|NgGh0sT, purge them first and install them clean... |
| 05:07.33 | K|NgGh0sT | alright will try |
| 05:08.15 | Seven_Six_Two | K|NgGh0sT, you've reinstalled fmtutil or whatever package provides it? |
| 05:08.33 | Rusty1 | K|NgGh0sT: perhaps apt-get clean as well |
| 05:10.24 | K|NgGh0sT | apt is busy, sorry i'll be a sec |
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| 05:11.46 | Seven_Six_Two | K|NgGh0sT, it looks like fmtutil's config is causing it. |
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| 05:15.25 | Cusoon959 | I can't find fsck in my repos :s |
| 05:16.00 | Caelum | apt-file update; apt-file search fsck |
| 05:16.19 | Cusoon959 | bash: apt-file: command not found |
| 05:16.29 | Cusoon959 | apt-get maybe? |
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| 05:16.47 | dbmoodb | hi i'm having problems setting up a debian apt-cacher server |
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| 05:17.03 | Cusoon959 | nvm, installing apt-file now |
| 05:17.06 | Cusoon959 | thanks Caelum :) |
| 05:17.07 | dbmoodb | basically i have the thing running and i import the packages but then it doesn't work.. |
| 05:17.15 | dbmoodb | - will provide the error message in a bit |
| 05:17.44 | K|NgGh0sT | Seven_Six_Two, know what package that comes from? |
| 05:18.08 | K|NgGh0sT | I'll take that as a yes! |
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| 05:18.38 | dbmoodb | wait should i be using apt-cacher or is there something else / |
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| 05:22.39 | game | is using wireshirk on a privet network that i have access to illegal |
| 05:22.39 | amolv | hi to all, how to change Filesystem state: not clean to clean? |
| 05:22.44 | K|NgGh0sT | Hrmm, I cant find what package has fmtutil |
| 05:22.51 | dbmoodb | ok may it is working |
| 05:22.59 | dbmoodb | game why ? |
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| 05:23.08 | game | cuse i did it |
| 05:23.15 | dbmoodb | why would it be illegal ? |
| 05:23.18 | dbmoodb | what country are you in now ? |
| 05:23.40 | game | ? network admins some times freak out and call the cops |
| 05:23.50 | game | usa |
| 05:23.53 | mbroeker | K|NgGh0sT, texlive-base-bin: /usr/bin/fmtutil |
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| 05:24.20 | dbmoodb | mmmm my apt-cacher does not appear to be working at all |
| 05:24.25 | dbmoodb | any one got a good way to test it ? |
| 05:24.32 | K|NgGh0sT | mbroeker, that doesnt help cause I'm trying to install that package :( |
| 05:24.36 | game | they might say ( i am a security risk) lol yea right |
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| 05:25.19 | mbroeker | K|NgGh0sT, apt-get remove --purge tex-common |
| 05:25.21 | dbmoodb | game well what are you trying to do now ? |
| 05:25.31 | K|NgGh0sT | mbroeker, just ran that ;) |
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| 05:25.33 | mbroeker | K|NgGh0sT, after purging, reinstall it |
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| 05:26.04 | dbmoodb | Fri Dec 7 16:24:38 2007|192.168.0.14|--- /usr/sbin/apt-cacher: Usage error |
| 05:26.04 | dbmoodb | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:26.05 | game | just look at the traffic |
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| 05:26.16 | K|NgGh0sT | Can't exec "locale": Permission denied at /usr/share/perl5/Debconf/Encoding.pm line 16. |
| 05:26.16 | K|NgGh0sT | Use of uninitialized value in scalar chomp at /usr/share/perl5/Debconf/Encoding.pm line 17. |
| 05:26.21 | K|NgGh0sT | Should I be worried about that? |
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| 05:27.36 | VulpesFoxnik | Is there a reason why there are no weekly builds available for x86-64? |
| 05:27.42 | Seven_Six_Two | K|NgGh0sT, nope. it's part of texlive-base-bin. Can you find a template with locate? |
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| 05:28.25 | amolv | hi to all ..i am facing problem at tome of booting for fsck...segmentaion error i.e. exited with error signal 11...how i can recover from this |
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| 05:28.37 | dbmoodb | ok .. weird |
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| 05:29.20 | VulpesFoxnik | amolv: Are you using seperate partitions for home and root? |
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| 05:29.34 | dbmoodb | ok so is my apt-cacher working ? |
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| 05:30.01 | amolv | VulpesFoxnik:no.. |
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| 05:30.31 | VulpesFoxnik | amolv: Thats not a wise thing to do... hmm well you could run fsck on it |
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| 05:30.42 | K|NgGh0sT | mbroeker, right back where we started |
| 05:31.01 | VulpesFoxnik | amolv: otherwize I suggest you use a live cd to save your stuff off of the drive |
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| 05:31.45 | VulpesFoxnik | !help |
| 05:31.47 | amolv | VulpesFoxnik:i can boot in other partition but i want to recover this problem |
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| 05:32.35 | VulpesFoxnik | amolv: Fixing a broken file system is a real pain. It may just be faster to reinstall |
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| 05:32.50 | onats | hi, i have some questions on apt-cacher.. nayone? |
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| 05:33.02 | amolv | VulpesFoxnik:i think if we change filesystem state:not clean to clean manually somehow then fsck wont run for next boot |
| 05:33.28 | Cusoon959 | damnit...I'm gonna have to run fsck manually >.< |
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| 05:33.34 | amolv | VulpesFoxnik:but i am not finding proper way to change state...i dont want to reinstall.. |
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| 05:33.42 | K|NgGh0sT | Seven_Six_Two, I'm going to try and find how I can fix this, alasbuncha osts say this shouldnt of happened cause it should of just installed fine |
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| 05:34.51 | VulpesFoxnik | amolv: well if your data isn't damaged, you may be able to use gparted live boot to fix the file system |
| 05:35.31 | Seven_Six_Two | good luck |
| 05:35.53 | VulpesFoxnik | Gparted Live cd contains all the tools to fix a file system |
| 05:36.01 | mbroeker | what happened today? he is the 3rd with fsck problems |
| 05:36.02 | amolv | VulpesFoxnik:how i can fix it using livecd? |
| 05:36.53 | VulpesFoxnik | amolv by using the live CD's console and running fsck /dev/(drive and partition) |
| 05:37.29 | VulpesFoxnik | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:37.32 | amolv | VulpesFoxnik:i did that then it is showing error as segmentation fault.. |
| 05:37.47 | VulpesFoxnik | A segmentation fault is a problem with ram |
| 05:38.31 | amolv | if it is problem with ram then how other OS or livecd running?. |
| 05:38.58 | VulpesFoxnik | Well a segmentation fault can be caused by a file system going bad and having inccorect data on it |
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| 05:39.23 | amolv | VulpesFoxnik:incoorect data means? |
| 05:39.24 | VulpesFoxnik | so running of a CD you can avoid this problem |
| 05:39.45 | VulpesFoxnik | Incorrect data as in something was writen to the file that shouldn't have |
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| 05:40.06 | VulpesFoxnik | Usually random garbage |
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| 05:40.25 | Cusoon959 | http://img187.imageshack.us/img187/7606/screenshotxf7.png << Bash.org looks like this...how can I change the font to a normal one? |
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| 05:41.34 | VulpesFoxnik | amolv do you need a link to Gparted? |
| 05:42.01 | Cusoon959 | How many blocks would a 500GB external have? |
| 05:42.06 | Cusoon959 | << stupid when it comes to fs... |
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| 05:42.30 | VulpesFoxnik | It depends. Are we talking GB as in 10^3 or 2^30 |
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| 05:42.45 | amolv | VulpesFoxnik:i am having debian in other partition in that i installed gparted ...now i have booted with that debian.. |
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| 05:43.37 | amolv | VulpesFoxnik:can you tell me now what i have to do.... |
| 05:43.56 | VulpesFoxnik | I'm sorry amolv, I do not follow your engish. |
| 05:44.15 | Cusoon959 | anyone? |
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| 05:44.32 | VulpesFoxnik | Cusoon959: 2^30 or 10^3? |
| 05:44.46 | \amethyst | 10^9, surely? |
| 05:44.53 | \amethyst | I mean, rather than 10^3 |
| 05:44.59 | VulpesFoxnik | erm, you are correct \amethyst |
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| 05:45.03 | VulpesFoxnik | XD |
| 05:45.07 | bhundven | such a retard |
| 05:45.19 | bhundven | sorry for the parts and joins... |
| 05:45.26 | VulpesFoxnik | Anyhow a Block consists of 512 Bytes |
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| 05:46.12 | VulpesFoxnik | amolv: Do you have the gparted live cd? |
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| 05:46.29 | amolv | VulpesFoxnik:s |
| 05:47.04 | VulpesFoxnik | amolv: are you booted into x? |
| 05:47.30 | Cusoon959 | VulpesFoxnik: I'm not sure... >.< |
| 05:47.37 | bhundven | Does anyone here run debian on a thinkpad x61 tablet? |
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| 05:47.47 | Cusoon959 | I'm just getting these a bunch: |
| 05:47.48 | Cusoon959 | Error reading block 10125538 (Attempt to read block from filesystem resulted in short read) while doing inode scan. Ignore error<y>? |
| 05:47.53 | Cusoon959 | and I'm wondering how many blocks |
| 05:48.03 | VulpesFoxnik | bhundven: No, But I have ran it on a T61 |
| 05:48.08 | bytekode | back up data, replace hdd |
| 05:48.30 | VulpesFoxnik | oh ya, thats a failing drive most likely |
| 05:48.32 | bhundven | VulpesFoxnik: werd, I also have a T60. it works great. tablet is much different. |
| 05:48.44 | Cusoon959 | VulpesFoxnik: mine? |
| 05:48.45 | Cusoon959 | SHIT |
| 05:48.46 | bhundven | but not by much |
| 05:48.58 | bhundven | just the wacom and the keycodes |
| 05:49.09 | Cusoon959 | bytekode: talking to me? |
| 05:49.19 | VulpesFoxnik | bhundven: Well from what I understand you have a different video card. I use the NV140m version; |
| 05:49.28 | bhundven | intel X3100 |
| 05:49.35 | VulpesFoxnik | bhundven: Have you checked thinkwiki yet? |
| 05:49.37 | bytekode | Cusoon959: yea |
| 05:49.41 | Cusoon959 | shit >.< |
| 05:50.01 | bytekode | Cusoon959: your response should have been "it's ok, i keep recent backups of everything" |
| 05:50.04 | bhundven | yes. google everything else. just got the fan control working proper. |
| 05:50.05 | bytekode | :P |
| 05:50.17 | amolv | VulpesFoxnik:yes..i have booted with gparted.. |
| 05:50.29 | bytekode | there's 2 types of people in the world: those who have backups, and those who haven't had a hdd failure |
| 05:50.31 | VulpesFoxnik | amolv: enter your console |
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| 05:50.43 | Cusoon959 | bytekode: ...hehe...I only keep my movies/music on there |
| 05:50.44 | Cusoon959 | and |
| 05:50.49 | Cusoon959 | I don't have space for all that stuff |
| 05:50.50 | bhundven | bytekode: heh, totally. or never owned scsi |
| 05:50.50 | bytekode | :-) |
| 05:50.54 | Cusoon959 | on my normal disk |
| 05:50.55 | Cusoon959 | :( |
| 05:51.04 | VulpesFoxnik | 3 types bytekode, Those who backup, those who haven't have hd failure, and those who have 15 million redudant partions |
| 05:51.12 | amolv | VulpesFoxnik:next.. |
| 05:51.17 | bytekode | partitions? raid... :-) |
| 05:51.27 | VulpesFoxnik | amolv: You need to enter your console |
| 05:51.32 | Cusoon959 | so if it fails, bytekode...I lose the data permanently? |
| 05:51.38 | VulpesFoxnik | amolv: alt cntl 1 |
| 05:51.49 | VulpesFoxnik | Cusoon959: YES |
| 05:51.52 | bytekode | Cusoon959: um... yes |
| 05:52.01 | bytekode | please keep recent backups of important data |
| 05:52.05 | Cusoon959 | I do |
| 05:52.05 | bhundven | brb... |
| 05:52.14 | bytekode | good :) |
| 05:52.22 | Cusoon959 | But my movies and music...aren't so important |
| 05:52.22 | Cusoon959 | hehe |
| 05:52.25 | VulpesFoxnik | amolv: Have you read the man page on fsck? |
| 05:52.25 | amolv | VulpesFoxnik:yes i got VT...which command i have to use? |
| 05:52.37 | amolv | VulpesFoxnik:yes |
| 05:52.45 | Cusoon959 | shit my drive is making a little clicking sound |
| 05:52.48 | VulpesFoxnik | amolv then run fsck on the drive |
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| 05:53.01 | bytekode | Cusoon959: google "click of death" |
| 05:53.02 | VulpesFoxnik | Cusoon959: Shut down now, let the drive cool |
| 05:53.12 | VulpesFoxnik | then copy your stuff |
| 05:53.25 | Cusoon959 | it's my external drive |
| 05:53.27 | VulpesFoxnik | and contact the manufacturer |
| 05:53.28 | Cusoon959 | I shut it down |
| 05:53.46 | VulpesFoxnik | (if it is under warentee) |
| 05:53.50 | Cusoon959 | ok |
| 05:54.16 | Cusoon959 | I don't wanna send it in tho... :S...full of copyrighted materials |
| 05:54.16 | Cusoon959 | lol |
| 05:54.25 | VulpesFoxnik | Doesn't matter |
| 05:54.27 | bytekode | apt-get install cryptsetup :P |
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| 05:54.33 | Cusoon959 | VulpesFoxnik: how come? |
| 05:54.38 | VulpesFoxnik | It's going to crash anyway |
| 05:54.44 | VulpesFoxnik | ;) they don't check either |
| 05:54.52 | Cusoon959 | lol |
| 05:54.53 | Cusoon959 | Click of death is a term that became common in the late 1990s referring to the clicking sound in disk storage systems that signals the device has failed, often catastrophically. The term is also used specifically to refer to the failure of portable Iomega Zip drives or cartridges. The "click of death" can also be an informal warning system before the data on a data drive is lost. |
| 05:54.54 | VulpesFoxnik | It's not like there is CP on it or anything |
| 05:55.00 | Cusoon959 | Hey....bloody brilliant |
| 05:55.02 | Cusoon959 | VulpesFoxnik: true :) |
| 05:55.25 | Cusoon959 | so they don't check the drive? Well...wouldn't they check it to make sure it's failing? |
| 05:55.30 | bytekode | zip drives... *has nightmares* |
| 05:55.41 | VulpesFoxnik | drives failing is normal wear of the disk |
| 05:55.51 | VulpesFoxnik | Ball berrings only last so long |
| 05:55.53 | amolv | VulpesFoxnik:pass1:checking for inodes,block...exited with error signal 11 |
| 05:55.57 | VulpesFoxnik | Solid state for the win |
| 05:56.10 | bytekode | really bad random writes for the lose |
| 05:56.12 | Zippy2 | signal 11 |
| 05:56.12 | Zippy2 | ouch |
| 05:56.19 | VulpesFoxnik | I have no clue what that means |
| 05:56.30 | bytekode | a problem that hasn't been solved on solid state yet :) |
| 05:56.34 | bytekode | hybrid ftw if anything |
| 05:56.41 | Cusoon959 | VulpesFoxnik: ...I'm still scared about sending it in |
| 05:56.41 | Cusoon959 | XD |
| 05:56.53 | VulpesFoxnik | Hmm compact flash drives work perfectly fine as IDE drives |
| 05:56.58 | VulpesFoxnik | I use it on several systems |
| 05:57.01 | bytekode | Cusoon959: just overwrite it with random data a few times if you're really worried |
| 05:57.19 | Cusoon959 | bytekode: like... cat /dev/urandom > /dev/sdb? |
| 05:57.22 | bytekode | no |
| 05:57.26 | VulpesFoxnik | Use DD |
| 05:57.32 | Cusoon959 | oops |
| 05:57.35 | bytekode | apt-get install shred; shred -zn 3 /dev/yourdrive |
| 05:57.36 | Cusoon959 | meant to say dd |
| 05:57.40 | Cusoon959 | ok |
| 05:57.42 | bytekode | that will overwrite it 3 times with random data and zero it out |
| 05:57.48 | VulpesFoxnik | dd if=/dev/urandom of=/hda |
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| 05:57.59 | VulpesFoxnik | DO NOT TYPE THAT |
| 05:58.03 | Cusoon959 | ok thanks bytekode :) |
| 05:58.07 | VulpesFoxnik | that will cause serious damage |
| 05:58.09 | Cusoon959 | yep |
| 05:58.09 | bytekode | make sure you target your external drive |
| 05:58.14 | bytekode | and not your primary :P |
| 05:58.24 | VulpesFoxnik | I was using it as an example |
| 05:58.36 | VulpesFoxnik | Heck, I have hdz on my system |
| 05:58.38 | bytekode | it's /dev/hda, not /hda anyways, so that command wouldn't do anything |
| 05:58.40 | bytekode | :P |
| 05:58.54 | Cusoon959 | so, should I back up my music? |
| 05:58.54 | bytekode | just fill up your hdd with random crap :) |
| 05:59.04 | Cusoon959 | I'm not gonna worry about my movies... |
| 05:59.15 | bytekode | save what you want to save, shred, send back to manufacturer |
| 05:59.21 | VulpesFoxnik | Like I said, they usually don't even check |
| 05:59.23 | bytekode | and in the future, filesystem encryption :P |
| 05:59.29 | VulpesFoxnik | At least Seagate doesn't |
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| 06:00.36 | VulpesFoxnik | So has anyone heard anything about the Jigdo files being down? |
| 06:00.41 | K|NgGh0sT | How can I disable Gnome screen saver via console, I don't have access to a mouse |
| 06:01.09 | VulpesFoxnik | K|NgGh0sT: Use a virtual terminal |
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| 06:01.10 | bytekode | K|NgGh0sT: pkill gnome-screensaver ? |
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| 06:02.28 | K|NgGh0sT | thanks bytekode, lets see if that works |
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| 06:03.41 | Gekz | if I want to make a net install CD, what am I meant to make with debian-installer |
| 06:03.48 | Gekz | make image_netboot? |
| 06:03.57 | troubled | Gekz: still at it huh? :) |
| 06:04.05 | Gekz | lol, and I got it to boot now |
| 06:04.27 | Gekz | but netboot gives me a kernel panic, no init :P |
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| 06:04.43 | troubled | Gekz: you just looking for something bootable? or you looking to actually customize the installer cd? |
| 06:04.51 | Gekz | neither. |
| 06:04.57 | Gekz | making a CD. |
| 06:05.06 | Gekz | using "debian-installer" |
| 06:05.06 | troubled | i meant like a live cd |
| 06:05.17 | VulpesFoxnik | Gekz: Thats rather complex topic |
| 06:05.24 | Gekz | well, I want to make a net installer livecd :P |
| 06:05.29 | Gekz | and I have it booting |
| 06:05.35 | Gekz | it's 7mb though >_> |
| 06:05.38 | Gekz | I found that quite suss. |
| 06:05.52 | troubled | Gekz: debootstrap usually works fine with something like syslinux |
| 06:06.06 | Gekz | troubled: that's what I'm using, I said that's not the problem. |
| 06:06.31 | troubled | Gekz: ah. you make an initrd? what kernel you using? etc |
| 06:06.34 | DawnLight | can lighttpd run php5 scripts? |
| 06:07.06 | Gekz | troubled: I'm using the lenny kernel 686 flavor, made the udebs with kernel-wedge |
| 06:07.19 | Gekz | and I probably forgot the initrd |
| 06:07.43 | VulpesFoxnik | Gekz: http://www.debian.org/CD/faq/#diy |
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| 06:08.08 | troubled | Gekz: i assume your looking for something like ubuntu? livecd+installer? |
| 06:08.30 | Gekz | troubled: by livecd do you mean gui? |
| 06:08.36 | Gekz | because I'm not looking for that. |
| 06:08.44 | Gekz | I'm just trying to make the net installer... |
| 06:08.45 | Gekz | lol |
| 06:08.48 | troubled | Gekz: well, livecd doesnt imply that i guess, but yes |
| 06:09.05 | Gekz | the reason I'm doing it is because it needs a custom ethernet kernel module, atl2. |
| 06:09.07 | troubled | could be a console livecd of course |
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| 06:09.20 | Gekz | troubled: the net install cd doesn't have a gui afaik |
| 06:09.29 | DawnLight | it does |
| 06:09.37 | DawnLight | 'installgui' |
| 06:09.39 | troubled | nod |
| 06:09.52 | troubled | not sure about netinstall though since i dont use it |
| 06:09.53 | Gekz | oh |
| 06:09.59 | DawnLight | but other then that, i don't think so |
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| 06:10.09 | troubled | its just not the default, but gui install is there on 650mb cd |
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| 06:10.17 | troubled | (and dvd of course) |
| 06:10.18 | Gekz | well I'll point you to an example of a net installer that's 16mb: http://kibobo.free.fr/EEE/usb/usb.img.gz |
| 06:10.27 | Gekz | it's a CD image converted into a USB image, which is really easy to do |
| 06:10.35 | mike | I cannot d/load lenny? |
| 06:10.38 | Gekz | fsck, wrong link |
| 06:10.42 | mike | no working l;inks |
| 06:10.53 | Gekz | http://kibobo.free.fr/EEE/debian/usb/usb.img.gz |
| 06:10.56 | Gekz | that's a working one |
| 06:11.33 | mike | the net install did not work |
| 06:11.42 | mike | Stopped at 5% |
| 06:11.47 | troubled | Gekz: what is your ultimate goal? just to use a standard debian installer, but be able to load a udeb for your nic? |
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| 06:12.24 | Gekz | troubled: to create a lenny standard debian net installer with a udeb for the nic, yes |
| 06:12.43 | troubled | Gekz: and you have the udeb already made? |
| 06:12.58 | Gekz | I have all the udebs already |
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| 06:13.07 | troubled | Gekz: why not just remaster the iso then? |
| 06:13.13 | troubled | add your udeb and reburn it? |
| 06:13.25 | jervine | is there a 32 bit Xen enabled kernel that is _not_ compiled with PAE? |
| 06:13.29 | Gekz | the net install iso is too big and contains too much uselessness |
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| 06:13.44 | troubled | its going to take up a full cd anyways... |
| 06:14.40 | Gekz | it's not going to end up being a cd. |
| 06:14.41 | mike | i am looking for a lenny kde iso link? |
| 06:14.45 | Gekz | it's going to be on a usb or sd card. |
| 06:14.48 | mike | any ideas troops? |
| 06:15.05 | GhostlyDeath | What program list's the devices on my PC? |
| 06:15.19 | Gekz | lspci? |
| 06:15.22 | Gekz | lsusb? |
| 06:15.39 | GhostlyDeath | lspci |
| 06:16.04 | litage|w | why would ``svnadmin dump /path/to/repo'' only output "* Dumped revision 0." when the latest rev is 494? |
| 06:16.25 | troubled | Gekz: get yourself a 1gig+ stick |
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| 06:16.39 | Gekz | no. |
| 06:16.50 | Gekz | my point is, it's been done before |
| 06:16.59 | Gekz | I'm not going to "get a bigger usb stick" |
| 06:17.01 | troubled | its done everyday im sure :) |
| 06:17.10 | Gekz | it was done 2 weeks ago |
| 06:17.11 | troubled | just making it harder on yourself thats all :p |
| 06:17.17 | Gekz | which is obvious by the link to usb.img.gz. |
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| 06:22.31 | simonrvn | !lart troubled |
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| 06:23.43 | troubled | :p |
| 06:23.56 | simonrvn | hi |
| 06:24.00 | troubled | oi |
| 06:24.21 | GhostlyDeath | hmm, Would it be possible to write to a /dev and/or /sys file to control a device? |
| 06:24.47 | troubled | of course it would be possible :) |
| 06:25.05 | troubled | i think the question you meant to ask is, would it be easy |
| 06:25.22 | GhostlyDeath | Probably have to make a C program and run it as root |
| 06:25.24 | troubled | simonrvn: sorry to hear |
| 06:25.39 | Gekz | I'm meant to make monolithic xD |
| 06:25.58 | troubled | GhostlyDeath: do you need a dev though? |
| 06:26.04 | GhostlyDeath | I got a "03:00.0 Network controller: Intel Corporation PRO/Wireless 3945ABG Network Connection (rev 02)" and I want to control it |
| 06:26.29 | troubled | GhostlyDeath: what do you mean "control it"? |
| 06:26.41 | GhostlyDeath | troubled: be a driver |
| 06:26.43 | troubled | simonrvn: sounds like you need some chaiyya! |
| 06:26.51 | simonrvn | not really bad, but not all good either. up and down. went to a suicide prevention conference. did some drumming. very powerful. learned a lot. |
| 06:27.01 | GhostlyDeath | troubled: To make it do what it isn't normally meant to do |
| 06:27.17 | simonrvn | meet some new, very good people |
| 06:27.39 | simonrvn | some who? |
| 06:27.39 | troubled | GhostlyDeath: why not just use the driver thats already there and send raw ioctl stuff or whatever it uses? |
| 06:27.53 | troubled | simonrvn: ? |
| 06:28.04 | GhostlyDeath | troubled: Where would I find this ioctl? |
| 06:28.14 | simonrvn | chaiyya? |
| 06:28.49 | GhostlyDeath | The drivers that I allready have could put it in ad hoc mode, I would need to control it after that (modify the broadcast packet for example) |
| 06:29.06 | troubled | GhostlyDeath: well, apropos might help, but im not sure if ioctl was the right programing term im looking for |
| 06:29.16 | simonrvn | !ping |
| 06:29.17 | dpkg | pong |
| 06:29.33 | rdz | !yo |
| 06:29.33 | dpkg | Wazzup man? |
| 06:29.34 | troubled | simonrvn: one minute |
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| 06:35.21 | OXIj | dpkg -L dpkg |
| 06:35.22 | dpkg | ii dpkg 3.2-2.2 oxij's private porn collection |
| 06:35.32 | OXIj | :D |
| 06:35.46 | Jyzygzy- | i woder what happends if i point a domain to my own ip-address |
| 06:36.19 | OXIj | nothing special |
| 06:36.25 | Jyzygzy- | oh? :D |
| 06:36.39 | OXIj | you gona be domain owner ) |
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| 06:36.54 | OXIj | like me |
| 06:37.04 | Jyzygzy- | i mean you usually put your hostings name servers there |
| 06:37.22 | Jyzygzy- | but i wonder what would happen if i put my own address there :P |
| 06:37.27 | OXIj | im hosting for myself |
| 06:37.53 | Jyzygzy- | i should prolly have a domain name service running if i wanna do that |
| 06:38.07 | troubled | OXIj: what "address" are you refering to? ip? |
| 06:38.20 | OXIj | install some server software. and when you gone be hosting too :P |
| 06:38.25 | troubled | and what address? rfc1918? |
| 06:38.40 | OXIj | ip |
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| 06:39.04 | troubled | ok, just makin sure you werent refering to whois physical home address |
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| 06:39.25 | Seven_Six_Two | Jyzygzy-, if you're running apache at home, that would be key |
| 06:39.35 | troubled | OXIj: what ip were you wondering about? a private 192.168.x.x one? or your isp's dhcp assigned ip? |
| 06:39.37 | Jyzygzy- | i indeed am |
| 06:40.06 | OXIj | troubled, ISP |
| 06:40.47 | OXIj | also ISP assigned ip maybe static |
| 06:41.02 | troubled | OXIj: thats what it should be :) anyways, things to consider with dynamic addresses is requirement for a low TTL in your zone for dns |
| 06:41.10 | Gekz | ls |
| 06:41.30 | bhundven | hmm. so the only problem I have with my tablet is that I call xsetwacom from an acpid event script. The problem is that after xorg starts, I have to restart acpid to make the tablet rotate when the rotate acpi event happens. |
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| 06:41.37 | Seven_Six_Two | I use dyndns |
| 06:41.38 | Jyzygzy- | i realized i have bought like 8 domains and im not using them in any way |
| 06:42.06 | Jyzygzy- | they are so cheap because of the value of dollar :-P |
| 06:42.16 | OXIj | hehehe |
| 06:42.21 | Jyzygzy- | basicly free |
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| 06:43.03 | Gekz | lol troubled, one more thing, I forgot one file when I copied the udebs xD |
| 06:43.07 | troubled | its the hosting per domain that sucks :( |
| 06:43.09 | OXIj | troubled, i wonder... it should |
| 06:43.12 | Gekz | I copied with *.udeb, but there was a directory I needed |
| 06:43.13 | Gekz | >_> |
| 06:43.24 | troubled | Gekz: that was all you missed? :) |
| 06:43.34 | troubled | OXIj: it should what? |
| 06:43.43 | OXIj | low TTL |
| 06:43.44 | Gekz | that and I needed to uncomment monolithic in the config/i386.cfg |
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| 06:44.03 | Gekz | "What did I learn?!" |
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| 06:44.53 | troubled | OXIj: did you buy a domain name already? |
| 06:45.00 | OXIj | troubled, and also with dinamic ip clients should kick off their dns cache |
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| 06:45.21 | OXIj | troubled, no. im useing no-ip one |
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| 06:45.38 | troubled | OXIj: that like dyndns? |
| 06:46.05 | OXIj | yep |
| 06:46.23 | troubled | OXIj: most of those places host dns for you |
| 06:46.40 | troubled | not sure about no-ip, but they usually dont delegate authority for dns to you |
| 06:47.13 | OXIj | yep too. but for lan I have my own named |
| 06:47.41 | troubled | OXIj: thats local dns only though |
| 06:48.34 | OXIj | technicaly there is no diff |
| 06:49.38 | troubled | OXIj: well, i meant in the sense that your no-ip domain dns queries wont go to you from the net |
| 06:50.58 | OXIj | troubled, yes. im not read carefully |
| 06:52.43 | OXIj | troubled, but on the other hand. if they go some time, it'll work correctly :P |
| 06:53.11 | troubled | OXIj: define "they" |
| 06:53.29 | OXIj | dns queries |
| 06:53.32 | troubled | your localnet users will get whatever you give them, but internet users will never know of your dns server |
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| 06:54.17 | OXIj | yes. but they can ask it manually with dig |
| 06:54.36 | [RUsh] | Hello. I want to umount /var. I'm getting "device is busy". How can I get list of processes accessing this directory ? |
| 06:54.39 | troubled | whats the point then? heh |
| 06:54.51 | bytekode | hey, what's the program that tells you all the framebuffer modes you support? |
| 06:54.51 | Caelum | [RUsh]: lsof |
| 06:54.52 | nvz | [RUsh]: fuser, lsof |
| 06:55.06 | bytekode | i haven't used it in 2 years or so :x |
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| 06:55.52 | troubled | bytekode: heigth x width x bpp = ?? < vid ram |
| 06:56.17 | bytekode | 1440x900x24 |
| 06:56.18 | bytekode | laptop :P |
| 06:56.19 | OXIj | troubled, if once upon a time ill buy domain..... it will work :) |
| 06:56.53 | bytekode | there was a program that told you all the modes you supported and gave the code to append to your boot line to setup a framebuffer console |
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| 06:57.03 | [RUsh] | nvz, fuser shows nothing |
| 06:57.22 | troubled | OXIj: well, if you get a domain, your better off not using just 1 ip for dns. your server goes down, so does your domain |
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| 06:57.43 | douchebag | what logs shall i read to determine why the system crashed on me |
| 06:57.55 | Caelum | douchebag: /var/log/messages |
| 06:57.56 | douchebag | i read /var/log/syslog but theres no details |
| 06:58.08 | Caelum | douchebag: there might not be anything in the logs |
| 06:58.15 | troubled | bytekode: you just looking for how to write the vga= kernel param line for your screen? theres a file in /usr/src/linux/Documentation somewhere. framebuffer.txt or something iirc |
| 06:58.27 | OXIj | troubled, yep. server uptime is kinda 120 days.. but ISP uptime rather small :( |
| 06:58.39 | douchebag | Caelum: why is that? how do i enable verbose logging across everything so i can get the most detail out of why i crashed next time? |
| 06:58.43 | bytekode | troubled: yeah the vga= line is what i'm looking to determine... thanks |
| 06:58.44 | SmallR2003 | anyone else use gps on their box here? |
| 06:58.56 | bytekode | haven't done a framebuffer since i used gentoo :x |
| 06:59.07 | bytekode | dark dark times |
| 06:59.13 | SmallR2003 | if yes: what do you use it for? |
| 06:59.44 | bytekode | generating maps while wardriving? |
| 06:59.46 | troubled | bytekode: np |
| 07:01.03 | nvz | eww 6pt tahoma is not good font for irc |
| 07:01.34 | troubled | nvz: unless you have a 50ft screen :) |
| 07:01.51 | nvz | na its small 240x320 |
| 07:01.57 | troubled | damn |
| 07:02.14 | troubled | ive seen cell phones with a large res than that :p |
| 07:02.15 | nvz | trying to slim down irssi as much as possible to be able to see a few lines at least :P |
| 07:02.43 | troubled | nvz: heh, i bet getting a full nick on one line is hard enough, let alone the msg as well |
| 07:02.43 | nvz | its like a 3" screen |
| 07:02.56 | nvz | i'd say 3x4 |
| 07:03.02 | nvz | roughly |
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| 07:04.10 | troubled | wouldnt mind a tiny screen about that size in the front of my case for status info |
| 07:04.32 | troubled | would be just about right, and better then multi line lcd for sure |
| 07:06.09 | nvz | well my options on pocketputty are courier new, frutiger linotype, newtonuni, tahoma and quality settings are default, antialiased non-antialiased, cleartype |
| 07:06.21 | nvz | but it seems to me 6pt is too stingy regaurdless |
| 07:06.32 | troubled | ah, pocket pc? |
| 07:06.47 | nvz | its slow on the damn logins to show text in that font for me to quickly test |
| 07:06.56 | nvz | you can't seem to cahnge font without loggin in again |
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| 07:08.34 | nvz | yeah well I was looking for a theme that had less extra crap |
| 07:08.49 | nvz | and I could stand to only see the first 3 chars of a nick or maybe 5 |
| 07:09.19 | nvz | but actually with 6pt you get a lot of text on the screen its just the letters are too hard to decipher |
| 07:09.31 | nvz | there are not enough pixels to draw them all cleanly |
| 07:09.35 | nvz | or so it seems |
| 07:09.50 | nvz | I have no idea what the different fonts or qualitys do |
| 07:10.25 | nvz | trying courier new, cleartype, 7pt which looks ok so far |
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| 07:11.37 | nvz | I should try putting debian on it. I should be able to load it from Windows mobile |
| 07:11.47 | nvz | off a CF or SD card |
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| 07:12.37 | troubled | heh, linux die hard |
| 07:12.45 | Gekz | troubled: I DID IT |
| 07:12.46 | Gekz | woo |
| 07:12.51 | troubled | !dance |
| 07:12.55 | Gekz | 14MB net install iso |
| 07:12.59 | Gekz | that installs to a usb stick |
| 07:13.06 | troubled | damn, talk about cutting the fat |
| 07:13.13 | Gekz | :D |
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| 07:13.25 | troubled | little smaller and it would be a floppy install heh |
| 07:13.45 | Gekz | lol |
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| 07:15.12 | indhu | hello sir , how to connect the projector |
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| 07:17.41 | indhu | hello sir , i connected the projector with the laptop it working |
| 07:18.02 | Gekz | indhu: good to know |
| 07:18.11 | indhu | sorry laptop with projector is not working |
| 07:18.22 | Gekz | hmm, using the default os? |
| 07:18.31 | Gekz | err, stable |
| 07:18.36 | indhu | Gekz, do you have any idea over this |
| 07:18.42 | Gekz | we'll soon find out |
| 07:19.04 | Gekz | what kind of graphics adapter are you connecting it to |
| 07:19.29 | indhu | Gekz, you tell me the steps to connect the laptop with the projector |
| 07:19.47 | Gekz | oh, it's a laptop |
| 07:19.55 | Gekz | oh crap, I missed that. |
| 07:20.00 | Gekz | sorry, no idea with a laptop |
| 07:21.25 | _Nielsen | what model laptop? |
| 07:22.28 | indhu | _Nielsen, it is IBM thinkpad xseries |
| 07:22.30 | Decepticon | how do i tell exim that im not on decepticon.rivalschool.edu anymore? i am on decepticon.unassociated |
| 07:22.37 | Nielsen | indhu: connect monitor to laptop vga port - hold the Fn key and press the key with the |[_]| symbol thingy |
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| 07:23.16 | litage|w | how do you get tar to create a new tar using input from stdin? ``sudo dump -0f - /etc/ | tar zcf /home/litage/etc.tar.gz'' is failing with "tar: -: Cannot stat: No such file or directory" |
| 07:24.23 | indhu | Nielsen, i did this but it is not working |
| 07:24.36 | bytekode | is it even possible to get a widescreen framebuffer via vga=0x???? on the boot line? |
| 07:24.42 | bytekode | all i see is 4:3 on google |
| 07:25.19 | indhu | Nielsen, i pressed fn key with f7 |
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| 07:25.48 | indhu | Nielsen, is it correct , please tell me the key no. |
| 07:25.48 | neotic | litage|w: try with |xargs tar zcf |
| 07:26.13 | mbroeker | bytekode, there are std vga modes like 1024x768 (4:3). Some cards support 1152x864. but they are rare |
| 07:26.23 | litage|w | neotic: dump spits out raw data rather than file names, so that won't work |
| 07:26.27 | Nielsen | indhu: you tell me - did the monitor mirror the image on your laptop? |
| 07:27.01 | indhu | Nielsen, no |
| 07:27.21 | Nielsen | try doing it again then |
| 07:27.42 | indhu | Nielsen, you tell me the |[_]| wat is this key |
| 07:27.43 | bytekode | mbroeker: hmm... i see this guy got 1400x1050 working, but i need 1440x900. http://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic.php?t=160013 |
| 07:27.48 | bytekode | i don't see a table anywhere... |
| 07:28.04 | Nielsen | indhu: its supposed to look like a monitor... |
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| 07:28.11 | Gekz | lol @ installer "Retreiving apt..." |
| 07:28.16 | Gekz | it's so small it doesnt have apt. |
| 07:28.36 | simonrvn | Decepticon: /etc/mailname, dunno/don't recall if that's still relevant anymore, but that's usually the way |
| 07:28.44 | ukh | litage|w: dump output is afaik not in tar format. what you want might be "sudo dump -0f - /etc/ | gzip >/home/litage/etc.dump.gz" |
| 07:29.23 | Decepticon | simonrvn, ive changed that and restarted exim and... i still see mail in /var/mail/decepticon that is being sent to decepticon.rivalschool.edu isntead of just what i said in /etc/mailname "decepticon" |
| 07:29.49 | simonrvn | check the exim conf |
| 07:29.50 | litage|w | ukh: tar requires that data read from stdin be in "tar format"? i thought that tar would take whatever it read from stdin and "tar it up" |
| 07:30.28 | litage|w | ukh: thanks for suggesting gzip. that worked |
| 07:30.34 | indhu | Nielsen, yeah its a monitor |
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| 07:31.50 | mbroeker | bytekode, gentoo uses afaik a special framebuffer: they use kernel /vmlinuz ... video=vesafb:1600x1200@16-32 or similiar. AND not kernel /vmlinuz root=... vga=788 ... |
| 07:31.58 | PDani | why isn't vlc in >debian etch, and debian-multimedia.org? |
| 07:31.58 | PDani | good morning everyone! :) |
| 07:32.15 | bytekode | mbroeker: it was always vga=0x???? when i used it :P |
| 07:32.24 | simonrvn | that's been patched |
| 07:32.30 | indhu | Nielsen, please help me to connect with the laptop |
| 07:32.31 | simonrvn | mbroeker: ^^^ |
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| 07:33.16 | Nielsen | PDani: http://nightlies.videolan.org/ if you need vlc badly |
| 07:33.28 | neotic | mbroeker: video=vesafb:ywrap,mtrr:<n> vga=<mode> |
| 07:34.01 | mbroeker | neotic, is that the gentoo line or does that work under debian lenny/sid? |
| 07:34.05 | Nielsen | PDani: or you can use http://www.videolan.org/vlc/download-debian.html |
| 07:34.06 | neotic | mbroeker: just adding that to the kernel commandline |
| 07:34.12 | neotic | mbroeker: it's the gentoo one |
| 07:34.15 | PDani | thx |
| 07:34.33 | mbroeker | neotic, ok i missed that here... |
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| 07:37.54 | mbroeker | neotic, have you tried the new uvesafb driver within gentoo? |
| 07:38.44 | PDani | i added the line deb http://nightlies.videolan.org/build/sid-i386/arch ./ to my sources.list, but apt-get said that 0.8.6 is the newest, which is on my machine. how can i reach the 0.9.0 from nightlies? |
| 07:39.20 | Nielsen | PDani: apt-get update |
| 07:39.46 | Nielsen | <- /away |
| 07:39.48 | litage|w | if i use dump on / , will any problems occur when it dumps files in /proc/ , /sys/ , /dev/ , or ...? |
| 07:40.14 | Decepticon | simonrvn, i did dpkg-reconfigure exim4, and set my mailname in there too, how do i test if mail in /var/mail/decepticon will appear as just "decepticon" instead of "decepticon.rivalschool.edu" |
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| 07:41.45 | mbroeker | litage|w, you want to tar your rootfs. why don't you use tar -cvjf /media/backup.tar.bz2 --exclude=/proc --exclude=/media --exclude /dev and so on? |
| 07:42.03 | PDani | oh, unfortunately it wont work on testing |
| 07:42.13 | PDani | it's just for sid |
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| 07:44.04 | litage|w | mbroeker: i was going to use tar, but a couple of docs i found on the intertubes suggested i use /sbin/dump |
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| 07:45.53 | drwahl | is it possible to have multiple window managers on a single system and does the phrase "window manager" refer to the same thing as "desktop manager"? |
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| 07:46.40 | sep | drfont, yes, no |
| 07:46.49 | drwahl | err s/desktop manager/display manager |
| 07:47.05 | mbroeker | litage|w, is dump the backup tool for ext2 partitions? |
| 07:47.06 | sep | drwahl, ask dpkg about wm, and dm |
| 07:47.14 | litage|w | mbroeker: ext2 and 3 |
| 07:47.18 | drwahl | sep: will do |
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| 07:47.50 | litage|w | mbroeker: http://linux.die.net/man/8/dump |
| 07:48.08 | sep | drfont, sorry it was for drwahl |
| 07:48.23 | mbroeker | litage|w, does it make sense? a backup tool for a particular file system? a backup should be media independent or not? |
| 07:48.26 | simonrvn | Decepticon: i usually just go by {host or email}.domain. dunno really, leave it out i guess =) |
| 07:48.50 | litage|w | mbroeker: true, though we use ext3 exclusively |
| 07:49.04 | drwahl | ok, so from how i undsertand it, i currently have kdm managing my login. i also have kde running. i should be able to install e17 and be able to switch between kde and e17. is that correct? |
| 07:49.53 | mbroeker | litage|w, well my only comment is: all my friends swore on dar and darbackup. |
| 07:50.41 | sep | drwahl, yes. |
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| 07:51.06 | mbroeker | drwahl, kdm is a session manager and kde e17 and friends can be configured as a session handled by a session manager... |
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| 07:51.53 | drwahl | mbroeker: ok, that is what i thought, but i wanted to insure i was on the right track. thank you |
| 07:52.02 | simonrvn | i turned my .xsession into a session manager, heh |
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| 07:55.04 | DawnLight | i can't get lighttpd to make an alias. can anyone help? i'm using "alias.url += ( "/zabbix/" => "/usr/share/zabbix/" )" but the browser prints "404 - Not Found" there are files there, there's an index.php |
| 07:55.46 | simonrvn | logs logs logs ;) |
| 07:55.50 | neotic | DawnLight: got support for php? |
| 07:56.01 | litage|w | mbroeker: i'm giving tar a try now. thanks for your advice |
| 07:56.16 | DawnLight | neotic: will check |
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| 07:57.54 | litage|w | mbroeker: should /sys/ also be excluded? |
| 07:58.51 | mbroeker | you should exclude all pseudo fs'es |
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| 08:01.20 | litage|w | mbroeker: umm...such as? |
| 08:01.47 | simonrvn | /proc /sys /config ... |
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| 08:02.20 | litage|w | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:02.20 | mbroeker | litage|w, sys proc dev (syslinux) and |
| 08:02.30 | simonrvn | /dev too |
| 08:02.34 | litage|w | ah, /lib/init/rw too? |
| 08:02.58 | simonrvn | yes, and anything else tmpfs or similar mounts |
| 08:03.26 | litage|w | thanks |
| 08:03.56 | DawnLight | neotic: i guess i don't got php support. i have php5-cgi installed and cgi module is loaded |
| 08:03.56 | Gekz | alright |
| 08:04.01 | Gekz | back to the drawing board |
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| 08:04.05 | Gekz | the installed installed etch xD |
| 08:04.11 | Gekz | installer* |
| 08:04.17 | DawnLight | neotic: at least there's a link |
| 08:04.19 | Gekz | troubled: I blame you |
| 08:04.29 | mbroeker | a recognized a few days ago that the user nobody has a new homedir per default: |
| 08:04.30 | litage|w | hrmm, why is the following command failing with "tar: Cowardly refusing to create an empty archive"? isn't the "f -" telling tar to write to stdout? |
| 08:04.41 | Gekz | simonrvn: you're the first person to highlight me. what makes the installer install etch and not lenny? |
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| 08:04.46 | simonrvn | /nonexistent ;) |
| 08:05.05 | simonrvn | Gekz: uh, you chose it? |
| 08:05.05 | Gekz | lol |
| 08:05.11 | Gekz | no. I didn't |
| 08:05.11 | mbroeker | litage|w, tar -cvjf /media/test.tbz2 --exclude=/proc / |
| 08:05.26 | mbroeker | simonrvn, yes. and have you created that dir? |
| 08:05.32 | litage|w | HAHAH |
| 08:05.52 | litage|w | i forgot to tell tar which files and dirs to tar up =P thanks |
| 08:05.58 | mbroeker | litage|w, and exclude the targetdir of the tbz2 |
| 08:06.01 | simonrvn | me? nah. did, then removed it. wanted to see what would happen |
| 08:06.28 | litage|w | mbroeker: i'm executing the tar via ssh and having the output sent to my workstation |
| 08:06.41 | mbroeker | simonrvn, my problem is that spamassassin and friends want to have a dir as user nobody |
| 08:06.55 | mbroeker | and i dont like the name anyway. |
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| 08:07.46 | simonrvn | mm. you could run SA as a diff. user or symlink that to some other real dir like in /home or /var/something |
| 08:07.53 | simonrvn | it does suck |
| 08:08.05 | mbroeker | :) |
| 08:08.16 | simonrvn | or just fricking change the home dir, heh |
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| 08:13.14 | mbroeker | i have moved nobody to /var/lib/nobody ... |
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| 08:14.34 | gamag | how can I change the default browser - update-alternatives ???-?????? ? |
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| 08:15.34 | bhundven | gamag: look in /etc/alternatives |
| 08:15.35 | mbroeker | gamag, update-alternatives --config x-www-browser |
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| 08:16.10 | bhundven | !fish |
| 08:16.10 | dpkg | "Give a man a fish and you'll feed him a day. Teach him how to fish and he'll feed himself for the rest of his life." This is so appropriate. Instead of asking us to tell you exactly what to do, ask us which docs to read, read them, then come back and ask specific questions which aren't covered. |
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| 08:16.56 | gamag | bhundven: mbroeker: I did that and set iceweasel as default. but in gnome-terminal when I right click a link and select open link, it still opens the link in epiphany |
| 08:17.23 | dondelelcaro | mythomaniac: oh, no... always read the manual first, actually. That makes sure that the commands that we're giving you make some sort of sense. [And will help you understand more manuals in the future.] |
| 08:17.38 | bhundven | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:18.04 | bhundven | that is the gnome preferences |
| 08:18.13 | gamag | bhundven: Custom: gnome-www-browser %s |
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| 08:18.41 | mbroeker | gamag, gconftool-2 -t string -s /desktop/gnome/url-handlers/http/command "iceweasel %s" |
| 08:18.52 | bhundven | werd. on the top of your screen is applications | places | system. under system you should see preferences. under that is prefered applications. |
| 08:18.59 | bhundven | you should be able to figure it out from there. |
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| 08:19.21 | gamag | mbroeker: ls -l `which gnome-www-browser` ==> lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 35 2007-05-23 23:15 /usr/bin/gnome-www-browser -> /etc/alternatives/gnome-www-browser |
| 08:19.40 | gamag | lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 17 2007-11-11 18:44 /etc/alternatives/gnome-www-browser -> /usr/bin/epiphany |
| 08:20.53 | gamag | if I have to set it using gconftool then what is the use of update-alternatives? |
| 08:21.39 | bhundven | for applications that are more common to console applications like pager (more or less) |
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| 08:21.44 | mbroeker | gamag, the gconf command overrides gnome-default-settings. i dont know whether the alternative-handler does the same |
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| 08:22.15 | bhundven | I would expect gnome to override those settings as it does the keyboard mappings |
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| 08:25.20 | Gekz | where does the installer decide what its apt.source is? |
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| 08:25.44 | simonrvn | when you select the Release file source |
| 08:25.56 | Gekz | which is when |
| 08:25.57 | Gekz | >_> |
| 08:26.00 | simonrvn | then when you add sec. to that choice |
| 08:26.08 | simonrvn | (security) |
| 08:26.11 | dondelelcaro | Gekz: when you select which mirror to use. |
| 08:26.21 | Gekz | the installer I have doesn |
| 08:26.25 | Gekz | 't have that option |
| 08:26.32 | dondelelcaro | uh... the etch installers certainly do |
| 08:26.39 | Gekz | dondelelcaro: not this custom installer I've made |
| 08:26.49 | simonrvn | NotOurProblem |
| 08:26.49 | Gekz | I made it with debian-installer |
| 08:27.08 | Gekz | made it with debian-installer, which is in debian, therefore it's debian's problem |
| 08:27.08 | Gekz | lol |
| 08:27.16 | Gekz | it's debian's monolithic net installer. |
| 08:27.24 | simonrvn | no it's yours. now do some reading |
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| 08:27.36 | Gekz | dude, I've been reading for 6 and a half hours. |
| 08:27.43 | dondelelcaro | and the installer isn't monolithic |
| 08:28.01 | bhundven | I've been reading for 24 years. I'm 28. |
| 08:28.09 | simonrvn | dude, i don't care. |
| 08:28.24 | Gekz | dondelelcaro: you can make a monolithic installer. |
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| 08:29.06 | DawnLight | can anyone help me debug lighttpd? i've aliased /zabbix/ to /usr/share/zabbix/. zabbix is a php application that lives there. when i point my browser there, it is 404. i think i have cgi module enabled and i have php5-cgi installed |
| 08:29.06 | simonrvn | bhundven: yeh, i started pretty early too, my mom said at 3 yrs old |
| 08:29.10 | Vasistha | I can't seem to ssh from one box on my LAN to another -- I'm getting a "connection refused". I checked my firewall -- even disabled it -- and made sure sshd_config is listening to the machine. Where else should I look? |
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| 08:29.39 | simonrvn | DawnLight: looked at your logs yet? |
| 08:29.52 | Zippy2 | lol |
| 08:29.54 | DawnLight | simonrvn: good idea |
| 08:29.56 | mbroeker | Vasistha, look at /etc/hosts.{allow|deny} |
| 08:30.03 | Zippy2 | mbroeker: that would do reset |
| 08:30.04 | tralala | no lol |
| 08:30.05 | abchirk | Hi all. :) |
| 08:30.05 | Decepticon | you know how theres a way to see what processes are using how much cpu and mem in realtime... well thats cool, but now my hdd is churning like insane, and i want to know if theres a hddtop of sorts to see what process is using what file on what partition and howm uch cpu and mem its using |
| 08:30.09 | Zippy2 | Vasistha: netstat -anp|grep 22 as root |
| 08:30.29 | simonrvn | Decepticon: slaptop might help, or vmstat |
| 08:30.36 | simonrvn | Decepticon: slabtop* |
| 08:30.44 | Zippy2 | Decepticon: i/o is cpu time. use ps/top |
| 08:30.51 | dondelelcaro | Gekz: uh... the current revision of Debian's installer is pretty much necessarily modular, since all of the udebs aren't in the debian-installer package. |
| 08:31.08 | Decepticon | Zippy2 i cant see anything in ps or top, but my hdd is churning like nuts |
| 08:31.15 | Decepticon | want to know who or what or why! |
| 08:31.16 | Zippy2 | Decepticon: ps axuw|grep update |
| 08:31.22 | simonrvn | er yeh |
| 08:31.24 | Vasistha | mbroeker: ahh, of course, that must be it. thanks. |
| 08:31.24 | DawnLight | simonrvn: logs don't have errors |
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| 08:31.28 | Gekz | dondelelcaro: yes, but it takes them and merges them into one file |
| 08:31.36 | Gekz | thats what build_monolithic does |
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| 08:31.45 | simonrvn | DawnLight: you don't have an error log there? that sucks |
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| 08:31.56 | Decepticon | Zippy2 its no updatedb or anything crazy like that, its just... churning for some reason |
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| 08:32.07 | DawnLight | simonrvn: there is an error log but it has no real errors |
| 08:32.14 | simonrvn | :/ |
| 08:32.34 | bhundven | oo man. 16% battery left on this x61 tablet. I wonder if 20 minutes is a good guess by the power utils. |
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| 08:33.16 | Vasistha | Zippy2: huh, it would seem that, although I created an entry for ListenAddress 192.168.1.44:22 in sshd_config, and restarted sshd, it would seem that sshd is still only listening on 127.0.0.1:22 |
| 08:33.22 | Zippy2 | bhundven: lesswatts.org |
| 08:33.32 | Zippy2 | Vasistha: /etc/init.d/openssh-server restart |
| 08:33.39 | Zippy2 | but first killall -9 sshd |
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| 08:33.44 | bhundven | no no. my amp goes to 11, so more watts is much better! |
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| 08:33.45 | Zippy2 | er no |
| 08:33.48 | Zippy2 | stop, killall, start |
| 08:33.52 | simonrvn | s,-9,, |
| 08:34.11 | Zippy2 | simonrvn: i dont take chances! |
| 08:34.12 | Vasistha | Zippy2: well, I did /etc/init.d/ssh stop; /etc/init.d/ssh start |
| 08:34.19 | Vasistha | I guess I'll do it again :) |
| 08:34.28 | Zippy2 | Vasistha: sometimes stop doenst kill them all and it uses the old config |
| 08:34.31 | Zippy2 | so make sure its dead when you do stop |
| 08:34.33 | simonrvn | er, yeh you do. you chance making a zombie of that process |
| 08:34.45 | folken | Spam is getting interesting latley.. Anybody interested in Tomohawk missiles or other rockets? http://pastebin.com/m5b7f2c76 |
| 08:34.56 | simonrvn | no |
| 08:35.36 | Gekz | hmm, at least tell me this. is there meant to be the option of stable testing and unstable in the simple installer, or only the expert installer? |
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| 08:36.07 | Decepticon | simonrvn slabtop wasnt showing me anything i was expecting! |
| 08:36.09 | bhundven | depends on the version of the installer |
| 08:36.14 | jelly-home | folken: too bad it's fake |
| 08:36.33 | simonrvn | Decepticon: in top you can press c to show you the kernel threads more clearly |
| 08:36.33 | folken | jelly-home: i assumed also it was a con job to get to the email addresses. |
| 08:36.42 | Gekz | bhundven: how so? |
| 08:36.53 | bhundven | the testing installer will install... testing by default. but yes. you can only change the default version by choosing expert. |
| 08:37.05 | Decepticon | simonrvn yeah, i dont see it there |
| 08:37.11 | Decepticon | is it because ive pressed i |
| 08:37.16 | Decepticon | that shouldnt matter though right? |
| 08:37.31 | Vasistha | Zippy2: huh, alright, well, making some progress ... now I can't seem to start it again! Maybe it just doesn't like the sshd_config line I made? hrm. |
| 08:37.35 | Gekz | bhundven: is there a file in the installer that sets this? |
| 08:37.45 | simonrvn | well, it'll only show the currently active one, and that's not always useful... |
| 08:38.15 | bhundven | the concequences of choosing expert though lay in your hands, and you need to read more documentation as everything I am telling you is documented very well by some very nice people that want things to be free. |
| 08:39.20 | bhundven | hmm. 14%. it says 15 minutes now. |
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| 08:39.43 | Zippy2 | Vasistha: i dont think you can specify a port on the same line, i think it has to be on a diff line |
| 08:41.06 | Vasistha | well ... I took the port off, and it still won't start. Maybe it doesn't like my restricting it to one IP address? |
| 08:41.47 | Zippy2 | it should work |
| 08:41.53 | Zippy2 | check logs |
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| 08:43.54 | simonrvn | i don't have logs here, need to chop some |
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| 08:44.59 | Zippy2 | lol!! |
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| 08:45.24 | bhundven | Vasistha: \ |
| 08:45.27 | bhundven | oops |
| 08:45.44 | bhundven | I was going to say you should check to see if the keys were made in the /etc/ssh directory |
| 08:46.32 | bhundven | there should be a pair |
| 08:47.05 | Trentster | hey all, I am troubleshooting a new clients existing iptables script, Am I correct in my assumption that the following line will result in all INPUT rules following being null and void "IPTABLES -A INPUT -p ALL -m state --state NEW,ESTABLISHED,RELATED -j ACCEPT" AS this rule will accept all connections on all protocols regardless? |
| 08:47.16 | Vasistha | Zippy2: I'm not seeing any /var/log/ssh* ... what log should I be looking at? |
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| 08:47.43 | poe-t-w | is "non-US" repository no longer? |
| 08:47.56 | Vasistha | poe-t-w: correct. US relaxed some laws, and it was depracated |
| 08:48.15 | poe-t-w | Vasistha, great. thank you. |
| 08:48.17 | bhundven | batery is going to die. |
| 08:48.51 | mbroeker | Vasistha, append -d to /etc/default/ssh SSH_OPTS restart it and tail -f /var/log/messages |
| 08:48.54 | Zippy2 | Vasistha: everything |
| 08:51.06 | Vasistha | well, this looks odd: Bind to port 22 on 192.168.1.44 failed: Cannot assign requested address. |
| 08:51.20 | Vasistha | why would it need to bind anything? shouldn't it just be listening? |
| 08:51.51 | dondelelcaro | Vasistha: in order to listen, it has to bind a socket to that port. |
| 08:52.21 | dondelelcaro | Vasistha: most likely 192.168.1.44 isn't your actual ip or similar |
| 08:52.23 | Vasistha | right |
| 08:52.53 | dondelelcaro | so you most likely want to fix your sshd.conf to listen on the default address of 0.0.0.0 or whatever is appropriate. |
| 08:53.00 | Vasistha | dondelelcaro: 192.168.1.44 is the machine that I would like to allow to ssh in -- perhaps this is the wrong use of ListenAddress ? |
| 08:53.13 | dondelelcaro | Vasistha: ListenAdress is the address that sshd should bind to |
| 08:53.38 | bhundven | not setting it defaults to 0.0.0.0 |
| 08:53.58 | dondelelcaro | Vasistha: if you only want specific hosts to be able to connect, use tcpwrappers or (better) just use iptables. |
| 08:54.11 | Vasistha | ah, it's working now :) thanks much! |
| 08:54.23 | Vasistha | I just used 0.0.0.0 ... will reactivate the firewall now |
| 08:54.28 | Decepticon | okay something is really churning my hdds, i want to know what it is... its not showing up in ps aux or top |
| 08:54.41 | dimir | Moin! |
| 08:55.46 | Gekz | should /etc/default-release in the installer say lenny or testing? |
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| 08:56.28 | wols | !tell Gekz about vesion |
| 08:56.37 | Vasistha | ah :) now I can transfer all my files and get myself migrated over to this new 'puter ... yay! |
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| 08:56.44 | bhundven | Gekz: read the documentation: http://www.us.debian.org/releases/stable/installmanual |
| 08:56.46 | Decepticon | isnt there something like top for monitoring hdd activity? |
| 08:57.22 | Vasistha | Gekz: it's probably not going to come, since wols misspelled 'version' :) |
| 08:57.34 | Gekz | lol |
| 08:57.38 | Gekz | !tell Gekz about version |
| 08:57.48 | Vasistha | Gekz: rather, /msg dpkg version |
| 08:58.03 | Gekz | still, doesn't answer my question. |
| 08:58.17 | bhundven | lol |
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| 08:58.54 | wols | Gekz: there is no /etc/default-release |
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| 08:59.17 | Gekz | I said in the installer, not on an installed debian |
| 08:59.21 | Gekz | initrd.gz. |
| 09:00.15 | eth01 | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:00.51 | Gekz | *sigh* |
| 09:01.17 | simonrvn | ;p |
| 09:01.30 | Gekz | I'm getting bored of saying 'not an installed debian, the installer for debian.' |
| 09:01.33 | Decepticon | how to tell what runlelve im in |
| 09:01.38 | Gekz | it doesnt have an /etc/debian_version |
| 09:01.48 | Vasistha | Decepticon: try running 'runlevel' ;) |
| 09:01.49 | simonrvn | Decepticon: unsurprisingly, `'runlevel' |
| 09:01.55 | Decepticon | neat |
| 09:02.11 | Gekz | damn, this installer has no virtual terminals |
| 09:02.15 | Gekz | just tty1 :/ |
| 09:03.12 | wols | Gekz: what are you installing? |
| 09:03.18 | wols | or rather: what installer? |
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| 09:03.32 | Gekz | wols: a monolithic installer built with debian-installer |
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| 09:03.53 | wols | and you use it why? |
| 09:03.56 | Gekz | I'm just trying to work out why it installs etch even though it calls itself a lenny installer |
| 09:04.13 | Gekz | wols: because the eee has an ethernet and wifi driver that only works with >2.6.22 |
| 09:04.20 | Gekz | >=! |
| 09:04.44 | Gekz | monolithic because it boots nicely off a usb stick of any size and does a net install. |
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| 09:04.57 | wols | !tell Gekz about kmuto |
| 09:05.18 | Gekz | ... that's not what I want |
| 09:05.21 | Gekz | I actually want lenny. |
| 09:05.48 | Gekz | don't you think it's better to have people testing the testing edition then to let it become stable without anyone testing it? |
| 09:06.01 | Vasistha | Hawaiian music thursday night! :) mplayer http://www.kcsn.org/listen/hi.pls |
| 09:06.07 | wols | we don't care what you want: lenny installer is BETA: your own problem when it blwos up |
| 09:06.07 | Gekz | or letting stable become old-stable without anything to replace it due to lack of testing? |
| 09:06.23 | Gekz | I can't get it to the point where it blows up |
| 09:06.23 | wols | Gekz: no, people like you without a clue are useless testers |
| 09:06.35 | wols | it already does blow up for you |
| 09:06.40 | Gekz | the point is, the installer is installing etch by default, and I need to know what to change |
| 09:06.46 | Vasistha | Gekz: ...uh... stable does not become oldstable until there is something to replace it ... by definition. |
| 09:07.13 | Gekz | Vasistha: I am aware of that, but what I said was for argument's sake. |
| 09:07.40 | Vasistha | Gekz: you know, the *intended* way to install testing is to install stable, and then upgrade to testing. If you are too faint-of-heart to do that, then /you shouldn't be running testing anyway/ |
| 09:07.47 | Vasistha | ;) |
| 09:08.13 | Gekz | *sigh* |
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| 09:08.48 | Vasistha | Gekz: people around here still do remember how old woody got while sarge lagged in becoming stable ... I don't think it was for any lack of testers, though! |
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| 09:10.08 | wols | Gekz: the time you spent here whining, you could run testing twice over by now |
| 09:10.29 | Gekz | I need to make a testing installer, not just run it. |
| 09:10.30 | kaxi | i currently use a single partition and want to use compression, is that simple to do? |
| 09:11.02 | neotic | compression? |
| 09:11.06 | neotic | Encryption? |
| 09:11.09 | kaxi | yea, disk compression |
| 09:11.25 | kaxi | no, i have a limited amount of space. |
| 09:11.34 | neotic | ok |
| 09:12.03 | harpal | Any one has used buildix a bugtracking system? |
| 09:12.45 | Gekz | wols: what is so fundamentally different from setting the default repo to testing from stable that you have a problem with? |
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| 09:14.17 | eth01 | i'm getting this after upgrading to lenny, Privilege separation user sshd does not exist ? |
| 09:14.46 | wols | eth01: getent passwd|grep sshd |
| 09:15.25 | eth01 | wols: nothing, came back. |
| 09:17.09 | wols | that's the problem. there should be a sshd user |
| 09:17.21 | eth01 | yeah, so addd it? |
| 09:17.45 | wols | sshd:x:100:65534::/var/run/sshd:/usr/sbin/nologin |
| 09:18.11 | Gekz | I'll ask once again: what could be causing the installer to default to etch instead of lenny |
| 09:18.34 | eth01 | wols: thats weird, sshd:x:100:65534::/var/run/sshd:/usr/sbin/nologin already exists in passwd? |
| 09:19.13 | Vasistha | Gekz: the reason we discourage you is that we believe that what you are doing is unwise. |
| 09:19.31 | eth01 | a simple restart of SSH, has fixed the problem. |
| 09:19.49 | Vasistha | curses ... scp -pr dereferences symlinks! heh. didn't mean to copy that extra GB ... at least I nipped it at the bug before it copied that same GB three times |
| 09:20.00 | Vasistha | s/bug/bud/ |
| 09:20.05 | Gekz | Vasistha: it's my decision whether I make an installer or not that installs from lenny, and I'm not being swayed away. I just need an answer to what seems to be a simple question. |
| 09:20.24 | wols | Gekz: it's our decision not to answer you |
| 09:20.48 | Gekz | wols: I thought this was debian support, not debian bigotry. |
| 09:20.49 | Vasistha | Gekz: yeah, it's also your decision to attempt to manufacture LSD, but chemists won't necessarily give you advice if they think you shouldn't be doing it |
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| 09:20.57 | Gekz | lol Vasistha |
| 09:21.12 | Gekz | installing Lenny from an image isn't doing an illicit drug. |
| 09:21.20 | wols | !tell Gekz about fish |
| 09:21.37 | Vasistha | Gekz: heh, yeah ... I know it's funny, but see, it's actually a really close analogy. And I was talking about manufacturing, not taking drugs ;) |
| 09:22.11 | bytekode | what's wrong with doing drugs |
| 09:22.15 | Gekz | wols: I've read very many docs, and I have not found the answer to my question, this is why I'm asking here! If I had found the answer in the docs, do you really think I would be putting up with teh abuse? |
| 09:22.51 | Vasistha | bytekode: I don't know that anyone has thus far said there's anything *wrong* with it! |
| 09:22.57 | cafe_roy | Sorry - too many keyboards! |
| 09:23.04 | bytekode | not all drugs are bad. some are... great |
| 09:23.06 | bytekode | :DD |
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| 09:24.29 | Vasistha | ah, damn it. scp also does not preserve ownership. curses. |
| 09:24.48 | Vasistha | well, that's why I did the small test batch first, instead of the whole partition. hmph. |
| 09:25.01 | dondelelcaro | Vasistha: it will if you use -p |
| 09:25.13 | dondelelcaro | Vasistha: though you'll have better luck using rsync. |
| 09:25.25 | Vasistha | all this time getting sshd working, hehehe |
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| 09:25.51 | Vasistha | I may very well need some of that good rsync functionality later, too |
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| 09:27.27 | dondelelcaro | well, you may need sshd to make rsync |
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| 09:36.53 | kaxi | how can i reduce the size of my debian installation? i installed nothing but the minimal base of etch + fluxbox +gdm |
| 09:37.00 | drwahl | is there a package on the debian repos for KDE4? or must it be compiled from kde's site? |
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| 09:37.08 | kaxi | it takes up allot of space: 584mb |
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| 09:38.01 | SlayerXP | kaxi: apt-get clean |
| 09:38.07 | kaxi | i did that |
| 09:38.10 | kaxi | :) |
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| 09:38.21 | dondelelcaro | kaxi: so mark everything that you aren't sure you want as automatically installed. |
| 09:38.24 | drwahl | kaxi: how small are you trying to get? what is your goal with this project? |
| 09:38.29 | dondelelcaro | (and really, 584M isn't that large) |
| 09:38.30 | wols | drwahl: don't use gdm |
| 09:38.33 | naiv | how many pass shall i let memtest86+ do ? can i let it run 4 hours (school) ? |
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| 09:38.49 | wols | naiv: over night |
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| 09:39.21 | naiv | all night long ? ^^ |
| 09:39.29 | kaxi | drwahl well under 500, i would like to cut that in half. |
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| 09:39.43 | kaxi | 256mb - 300mb would probably be good |
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| 09:50.49 | GiabboO | hi channel ppl |
| 09:51.01 | GiabboO | is here someone to discuss about linux / routing issue ? |
| 09:51.27 | Kamping_Kaiser | are they debian questions? |
| 09:51.33 | Kamping_Kaiser | otherwise try ##linux |
| 09:51.47 | GiabboO | im running it on debian, but its general topic in my opinion :) |
| 09:52.39 | Kamping_Kaiser | you can ask here, cant guarantee a responce though |
| 09:52.48 | GiabboO | ok |
| 09:53.35 | GiabboO | In my LAN scenario I have two WAN gateway |
| 09:54.08 | GiabboO | the first is my LAN default gateway and its running linux |
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| 09:54.29 | GiabboO | the default gateway is connected to internet |
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| 09:55.00 | GiabboO | the second one is connected to other networks (192.168.0.0/255.255.240.0) |
| 09:55.11 | Abu-Aadam | hi i'm wondering how I can burn avi to dvd player format so I can watch it on a dvd player |
| 09:55.38 | GiabboO | now, my default gateway is 192.168.20.10 and the second one is 192.168.20.1 |
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| 09:56.32 | GiabboO | If i add static routing to the default gw (route 192.168.0.0 mask 255.255.240.0 gw 192.168.20.1) it is locally able to reach networks behind that gateway |
| 09:56.39 | balzar | blist |
| 09:56.57 | GiabboO | but clients wich has the default gw as gateway cant... |
| 09:57.05 | GiabboO | i am here to ask what I wrong in my setip |
| 09:57.06 | GiabboO | setup |
| 09:57.15 | Kamping_Kaiser | whats that about the client? |
| 09:57.19 | wols | you shoud use different subnets |
| 09:57.37 | cemc | GiabboO: what mask do you have on the clients? |
| 09:57.39 | GiabboO | i want specify that |
| 09:57.47 | GiabboO | i could be able to add to every clients |
| 09:57.54 | GiabboO | a routing policy |
| 09:58.02 | GiabboO | but i prefer to set up the default gateway to do that |
| 09:58.30 | cemc | GiabboO: what mask do you have on the clients? |
| 09:58.31 | GiabboO | the clients subnet is the same of the default and the second gateway |
| 09:58.47 | GiabboO | 192.168.20.0 / 255.255.255.0 |
| 09:58.57 | GiabboO | it should being like this look... |
| 09:59.16 | wols | GiabboO: something is wrong here GiabboO> now, my default gateway is 192.168.20.10 and the second one is 192.168.20.1 |
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| 09:59.25 | GiabboO | why |
| 09:59.35 | GiabboO | listen |
| 09:59.37 | cemc | you can have 1 (one) default gateway |
| 09:59.49 | GiabboO | in fact the default gw is 192.168.20.10 |
| 09:59.52 | GiabboO | the other one is not default |
| 09:59.55 | GiabboO | ok example... |
| 09:59.59 | cemc | then it's ok |
| 10:00.05 | wols | GiabboO: cause they are in the same subnbet. that's bad |
| 10:00.10 | GiabboO | not really... |
| 10:00.16 | cemc | packets from 192.168.20.56 should travel to 192.168.20.10, |
| 10:00.18 | cemc | and then to 20.1, |
| 10:00.23 | cemc | and then to the other subnet |
| 10:00.28 | GiabboO | :) |
| 10:00.30 | GiabboO | exactly |
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| 10:00.52 | wols | GiabboO: on your linux system, you have 2 interfaces right? what are their IPs? |
| 10:00.55 | GiabboO | ok now i setted up a routing policy into the default gw |
| 10:01.02 | GiabboO | 1 iface... |
| 10:01.05 | GiabboO | phisical i mean |
| 10:01.10 | GiabboO | but let me talk a second |
| 10:01.17 | wols | GiabboO: and that linux system does routing? |
| 10:01.49 | cemc | GiabboO: it's not good for the linux system to have only one interface |
| 10:01.54 | GiabboO | i setted up a routing policy into the default gw to route packets withc destination to other subnets via 192.168.20.1 |
| 10:02.11 | GiabboO | and it work.... |
| 10:02.26 | GiabboO | but in the example cemc did, nothing work |
| 10:02.31 | wols | GiabboO: please state clearly your network topology again. you mnake no sense |
| 10:02.33 | GiabboO | the default gw is not able to forward |
| 10:02.45 | wols | and if it works, why are you asking us about it? |
| 10:02.55 | GiabboO | it work locally from the default gw |
| 10:03.08 | cemc | GiabboO: is the internet working on the clients? |
| 10:03.11 | GiabboO | yes |
| 10:03.14 | GiabboO | it is |
| 10:03.21 | GiabboO | clients --> default gw ---> internet |
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| 10:03.43 | cemc | GiabboO: try this: cat /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward |
| 10:03.43 | error0327 | hii |
| 10:03.47 | cemc | that goes it say? |
| 10:03.50 | GiabboO | cemc: 1 |
| 10:04.02 | GiabboO | its setted up to do forwarding |
| 10:04.17 | cemc | what's 20.1 ? |
| 10:04.21 | cemc | is it a linux, or a router ? |
| 10:04.25 | GiabboO | a cisco router |
| 10:04.53 | GiabboO | but the 20.1 is not the problem |
| 10:04.57 | GiabboO | it work perfectly |
| 10:04.59 | cemc | and 192.168.20.56 client has 192.168.20.56/24 with 192.168.20.10 gateway? |
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| 10:05.23 | GiabboO | yes... |
| 10:05.32 | GiabboO | there is just one problem |
| 10:05.33 | cemc | and on 20.10 you have some NAT ? |
| 10:05.46 | cemc | source NAT, with iptables by any chance? |
| 10:05.46 | error0327 | i need dome help to build a bridge between the eth0 and the wifi on eth1 |
| 10:05.56 | GiabboO | yes |
| 10:06.00 | GiabboO | 20.10 do some nat |
| 10:06.04 | error0327 | i need some help to build a bridge between the eth0 and the wifi on eth1 |
| 10:06.08 | cemc | GiabboO: and how does that rule look like ? |
| 10:06.12 | GiabboO | the problem is 20.10 |
| 10:06.14 | wols | !tell error0327 about repeat |
| 10:06.18 | wols | !tell error0327 about ask |
| 10:06.32 | wols | GiabboO: since you say 20.10 has only one interface: why NAT? makes no sense |
| 10:06.49 | error0327 | sory i am new |
| 10:06.58 | cemc | GiabboO: lemme see that iptables NAT rule on 20.10 |
| 10:06.59 | GiabboO | wols, i mean phisical iface, it has many ip alias |
| 10:07.00 | lukas | Hi, I would like to set suspend on my laptop, but unfortunately my suspend is on lvm partition, could anyone say if this is possible to run? |
| 10:07.05 | databuddy | ok |
| 10:07.15 | GiabboO | cemc, do you think its iptables issue ? |
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| 10:07.17 | databuddy | can debian do incremental backups by cluster? |
| 10:07.18 | wols | GiabboO: doesn't matter: if it |
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| 10:07.27 | databuddy | so it only has to back up the bits of the files that change ? |
| 10:07.30 | wols | if it's on the same ethernet bus, nat is useless |
| 10:07.51 | GiabboO | you wrong |
| 10:07.58 | cemc | GiabboO: i have i feeling it could be the nat, paste in that one line |
| 10:08.08 | wols | why can't your clients not get to the cisco router directly? |
| 10:08.22 | GiabboO | because im lazy :D |
| 10:08.30 | wols | then you are wrong |
| 10:08.49 | GiabboO | I had a busybox based router before as default gw, and it worked perfectly |
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| 10:09.07 | error0327 | how we get help here ? |
| 10:09.08 | wols | not to mention double nat is total stupidity plus having both "netowrks" in the same subnet is even more stupid |
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| 10:09.28 | wols | error0327: dpkg told you |
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| 10:10.14 | GiabboO | cemc can I talk in private ? |
| 10:10.20 | cemc | GiabboO: sure |
| 10:10.21 | kakalto | error0327: you are trying to set up bridging? check out http://gentoo-wiki.com/HOWTO_setup_a_gentoo_bridge |
| 10:10.46 | wols | error0327: have you installed bridge-utils? |
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| 10:11.26 | Jyzygzy- | lol can i make lol.lol route to 127.0.0.1 |
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| 10:11.39 | Jyzygzy- | in hosts file maybe? |
| 10:11.48 | error0327 | no i dont i will now |
| 10:12.02 | Jyzygzy- | http://lol.lol/lol.html |
| 10:12.06 | wols | Jyzygzy-: yes |
| 10:12.11 | Jyzygzy- | man i need a lol protocol |
| 10:12.20 | Jyzygzy- | lol://lol.lol/lol.lol |
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| 10:12.30 | wols | !lol |
| 10:12.31 | dpkg | If you want to laugh, use heh or hah or bwahahaha. lol doesn't sound like laughter at all and makes you look like an AOL user. |
| 10:12.55 | Jyzygzy- | guess what would it print |
| 10:14.00 | wols | dunno.... "Jyzygzy- is a moron" maybe? |
| 10:14.08 | Jyzygzy- | -.-' |
| 10:14.32 | bytekode | 'lol' |
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| 10:14.40 | Jyzygzy- | !! |
| 10:14.40 | dpkg | I'm not your csh prompt! |
| 10:14.45 | kakalto | bwahahaha, bytekode |
| 10:15.14 | kakalto | oh look, it's #debian |
| 10:15.17 | Jyzygzy- | dpkg but are you my bash |
| 10:15.17 | dpkg | ...but but is already something else... |
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| 10:15.49 | Guerin | please not to be a feckin' eejit |
| 10:15.58 | Guerin | and especially not playing with the bot |
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| 10:17.14 | lukas | perhaps it is silly question |
| 10:17.58 | Guerin | it was once said that there are no stupid questions, only stupid people. |
| 10:18.18 | Ronin | Guerin: heh |
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| 10:18.35 | dcordero | hi |
| 10:19.23 | dcordero | how can be disabled the sync of the clock during the booting? |
| 10:20.02 | wols | dcordero: not really possible. system time needs to be set |
| 10:20.03 | Guerin | dcordero: man update-rc.d |
| 10:20.10 | Guerin | i think he means ntp |
| 10:20.20 | wols | Guerin: it's part of bootmisc.sh which does more than clock |
| 10:20.32 | Guerin | disable ntp or ntpdate or whatever service is troublesome |
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| 10:21.05 | dcordero | i havent connection to internet during booting, always fail |
| 10:21.14 | simonrvn | yeh, ntp |
| 10:21.37 | Kamping_Kaiser | dcordero, iirc its in /etc/default/ntp |
| 10:21.48 | Guerin | mm, that would do it too |
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| 10:22.02 | simonrvn | @wb themill |
| 10:22.03 | ravenbird | Welcome back themill, o lonely traveller amongst the TCP/IP packets of cheese. |
| 10:22.15 | themill | thanks, ravens |
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| 10:25.37 | wols | can I force eject a CD even when it's mounted? |
| 10:26.07 | simonrvn | the drive will lock it. |
| 10:26.20 | wols | no way around it? |
| 10:26.27 | themill | wols: paperclip... |
| 10:26.27 | simonrvn | unmount |
| 10:26.43 | wols | themill: that's what I want to avoid. but I guess only way |
| 10:27.46 | simonrvn | sledgehammer always works |
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| 10:34.39 | Knight_Lord | Is there any way to run scripts when gnome logs out if the user is not using gdm? |
| 10:35.17 | Vasistha | Knight_Lord: you want to run a script ... when ... a user logs out of his gnome session? |
| 10:35.24 | Knight_Lord | VaLouille exactly |
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| 10:35.28 | Knight_Lord | Vasistha ^ |
| 10:36.03 | kakalto | well, why not. there's a .bash_logout file |
| 10:36.40 | Vasistha | there ought to be, though I don't know what it is, since I don't use gnome. But I would expect it would not be effected by the use or non-use of gdm |
| 10:37.17 | Knight_Lord | Because all the solutions I found tell me put the script in /etc/gdm/PostSession/Default |
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| 10:37.30 | Knight_Lord | Which is pretty useless if there's no gdm involved |
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| 10:39.32 | themill | hmmm... badness when Xorg gets to 1.3GB of memory on a 512MB RAM machine.... |
| 10:39.58 | Vasistha | how did you manage that? run the gimp on a large image or something? |
| 10:40.42 | kakalto | Knight_Lord: did you ask in #gnome ? |
| 10:41.12 | kakalto | themill: naww, badness is when you have no swap and fill 2GB of RAM, hanging your system ;-D |
| 10:41.20 | themill | Vasistha: It had been getting sluggish over the past week or so, and ff was being a pita... and finally flash went crazy. |
| 10:41.33 | Knight_Lord | kakalto i did |
| 10:41.37 | Knight_Lord | kakalto no luck there |
| 10:41.56 | kakalto | wow, that seems rather short-sighted |
| 10:42.49 | kakalto | themill: that experience taught me not to use 6 apps, a VM and compile something all at once :P |
| 10:42.55 | kakalto | atleast, not without swap space |
| 10:44.12 | themill | I normally don't touch swap on my laptop except for s2disk. The underpowered desktop is more of a problem though. |
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| 10:47.10 | rvalles | swap 2GB, RAM 3GB here |
| 10:47.20 | rvalles | Ideally I'd have swap=ram |
| 10:47.31 | Vasistha | themill: whoa, wow, ff must really be a hog. I run far, far, far too many apps with 192 MB ram and 400 MB swap. opera's gotta be the biggest hog, but I guess it's no ff! |
| 10:47.35 | rvalles | but I bought some sticks of RAM and all.... |
| 10:47.40 | rvalles | and things turned out like this |
| 10:49.11 | themill | Vasistha: ff just grows over time. About 300MB on startup with ~30 tabs open in one window. But it can grow to double that over a week of usage before I have to take it out the back and shoot it. |
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| 10:50.31 | Knight_Lord | Any more ideas about how to run a script at gnome logout? |
| 10:50.51 | kakalto | Knight_Lord: does it have to be after logout? |
| 10:51.11 | Knight_Lord | kakalto during logout is also ok i think |
| 10:51.19 | Knight_Lord | kakalto what would be the suggestion? |
| 10:51.37 | kakalto | Knight_Lord: would it suffice to set up a script which you run, does what you want it to, then logout? |
| 10:51.59 | Knight_Lord | i guess |
| 10:52.27 | Knight_Lord | but i can't really have users running the script explicitly |
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| 10:53.07 | jelly | !grml |
| 10:53.07 | dpkg | grml is a bootable CD (Live-CD) originally based on Knoppix and Debian. grml includes a collection of GNU/Linux software especially for users of texttools and system administrators. grml provides automatic hardware detection. You can use grml for example as a rescue system, for analyzing systems/networks or as a working environment. http://grml.org/ |
| 10:53.43 | DawnLight | i have an internet question. i ssh'ed into a remote box over the internet and the connection works and has little latency. when i'm trying to open another, similar ssh connection, it times out. why could this be? |
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| 10:53.54 | Vasistha | themill: ahha ... I shut down my computer every night, so I don't have that problem |
| 10:54.10 | Kamping_Kaiser | DawnLight, same host? |
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| 10:54.19 | DawnLight | Kamping_Kaiser: yes |
| 10:54.35 | Kamping_Kaiser | DawnLight, dodgy dns? |
| 10:54.47 | DawnLight | Kamping_Kaiser: now that i think of it, i am using dyndns to connect to it |
| 10:55.14 | pmo_ | hello does any1 know a software, that could help trigger some sound at a specified frequency ? |
| 10:55.20 | themill | Vasistha: that always helps. My desktop is an always-on machine and my laptop is an on-or-s2disk machine. Both machines are only rebooted for hard lockups or kernel upgrades. |
| 10:55.35 | Kamping_Kaiser | DawnLight, its the only thing that springs to mind |
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| 10:56.01 | Kamping_Kaiser | pmo_, 'trigger'? |
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| 10:56.15 | Airbottle | anyone using MUTE filesharing here? |
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| 10:56.33 | pmo_ | Kamping_Kaiser, or make a noise.. |
| 10:56.49 | force | if i have an suid root binary, such as a copy of /bin/bash with suid bit set and i execute it, shouldn't i get root as the euid? |
| 10:57.00 | pmo_ | something like "freq 10000' to generate 10.000 hz sound |
| 10:57.16 | Kamping_Kaiser | pmo_, i'm wondering what you mean by 'trigger'. i'm sure theres apps you could use to play the sound (eg play) |
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| 10:57.31 | Kamping_Kaiser | force, i wouldnt think so |
| 10:57.40 | force | is there any way to do that? |
| 10:57.40 | Kamping_Kaiser | but bash would run as root. |
| 10:57.42 | DawnLight | ok. i have another problem now. i've ssh -X into that host succesfully ( i think it was an ip change ), and am trying to run iceweasel but am getting an error, http://rafb.net/p/I5ck9Q44.html |
| 10:57.48 | force | i see |
| 10:57.48 | jbt | hi does /boot on LVM supported on debian? |
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| 10:58.56 | Vasistha | jbt: I don't think so. |
| 10:59.07 | force | Kamping_Kaiser: assuming bash runs as root, if i executed the binary shouldn't i have a root prompt? for some reason i have my normal user prompt |
| 10:59.36 | Kamping_Kaiser | DawnLight, hm. do you have X11 forwarding turned on by your server? |
| 10:59.52 | force | jbt: yes. |
| 11:00.05 | jbt | that's the answer I'm looking |
| 11:00.09 | DawnLight | Kamping_Kaiser: yes, this is default in etch and i've already ran different x clients |
| 11:00.17 | Kamping_Kaiser | force, hm. no, i dont think so. *not a programmer though* |
| 11:00.20 | jbt | force: but only in debian, right? |
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| 11:00.29 | DawnLight | Kamping_Kaiser: iceweasel is doing something fishy |
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| 11:00.44 | force | jbt: it has nothing to do with distribution, it is a kernel option |
| 11:01.04 | pol | hi ppl |
| 11:01.11 | Kamping_Kaiser | DawnLight, check if its a script thats trying to launch the binary |
| 11:01.21 | DawnLight | ah |
| 11:01.30 | jbt | force: how about the grub thingy? |
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| 11:02.09 | force | jbt: since version 1.95 |
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| 11:02.37 | jelly | force: [Re: prompt] what is your $HOME set to and do you have any bash dotfiles in there? |
| 11:02.46 | jbt | force: oic |
| 11:03.08 | jbt | force: thanks...if I never across a debian box I won't know :) |
| 11:03.16 | force | jelly: /home/test and no. |
| 11:03.23 | force | i have copied /bin/bash to /tmp/foo |
| 11:03.28 | force | and chmod 4755 /tmp/foo |
| 11:03.38 | force | i was under the impression if i executed /tmp/foo i would have a root prompt |
| 11:04.02 | force | but i don't.. obviously i don't understand what it is ment to do |
| 11:04.11 | jelly | force: nevermind the prompt, what does id say? |
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| 11:04.33 | force | uid=1001(test) gid=1001(test) groups=1001(test) |
| 11:04.34 | DawnLight | Kamping_Kaiser: what do i look for in the script? launching the firefox-bin without the script doesn't find some library |
| 11:04.41 | jelly | force: you're not root. |
| 11:04.59 | force | i know, why is that? i thought the suid bit would change that |
| 11:05.21 | Kamping_Kaiser | DawnLight, hm. you might have a problem then :) |
| 11:05.23 | force | it is owned by root.. |
| 11:06.02 | jelly | force: the filesystem your setuid binary resides on might be mounted with a nosuid option |
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| 11:06.24 | force | the fstab says defaults |
| 11:06.29 | jelly | force: why would you have setuid binaries in /tmp anyway? Doesn't sound very safe. |
| 11:06.41 | force | oh it's not, i was just wondering what suid actually does |
| 11:06.48 | force | i was under the assumption i would get a root prompt |
| 11:06.51 | force | because it is owned by root |
| 11:07.38 | force | brb |
| 11:09.30 | Vasistha | thanks all for so much help tonight. Nice to have such great people around |
| 11:10.58 | force | maybe because its a hard link |
| 11:11.49 | force | nope.. |
| 11:12.37 | DawnLight | Kamping_Kaiser: 'iceweasel -no-remote' works. /me shrugs |
| 11:13.11 | jelly | force: put a setuid in /usr, and make it something simpler like "id". bash might take active measures against it being setuid, as that's a common thing script kiddies do. |
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| 11:13.59 | force | well ps confirms that it is running as the normal user |
| 11:14.01 | force | ok ill try that |
| 11:14.11 | DawnLight | although rather slowly. guess everyone's surfing their way to glory 'round these parts now |
| 11:14.22 | Kamping_Kaiser | DawnLight, weird :| |
| 11:14.28 | jelly | also, on a well configured multiuser system, /tmp and other world-writable directories will be mounted nosuid,nodev and perhaps even noexec |
| 11:14.55 | bytekode | if apt didn't execute stuff out of /tmp... :/ |
| 11:14.56 | themill | (of course noexec on tmp screws up apt) |
| 11:15.01 | bytekode | :-) |
| 11:15.04 | force | i think you are right jelly |
| 11:15.29 | force | jelly: if i copy /usr/bin/id and suid root the binary it says euid=0(root) |
| 11:15.57 | force | interesting. |
| 11:16.21 | themill | force, jelly: what's the actual objective here? |
| 11:16.36 | wols | jelly: noexec? on debian? |
| 11:16.40 | force | well i was interested in the suid bit |
| 11:16.55 | force | but i tried copying /bin/bash over and placing the suid bit on it and executing it as a normal user |
| 11:17.13 | force | i was expecting a root prompt, but as we found out bash takes active measures against running as suid root |
| 11:17.17 | force | which is interesting |
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| 11:18.34 | force | initially i was interested in the IFS environment variable |
| 11:18.49 | force | and i thought i would create a program to copy /bin/bash to /tmp and place the suid bit on it |
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| 11:19.06 | force | heh. |
| 11:19.07 | latarsky | hey all. I was wonder if there any set of system configuring utilities in the lines of (redhat-config-network, redhat-config-blabla) in debian ? |
| 11:19.44 | DawnLight | latarsky: what do these do? |
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| 11:21.04 | themill | force: the prompt isn't necessarily going to change as that is defined in the environment. Just running bash may or may not source the files that define whether you're going to see # or $. |
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| 11:21.27 | force | ah yes true |
| 11:21.44 | force | that is why i checked with 'id' |
| 11:21.46 | jelly | wols: "on a well configured multiuser system", yes |
| 11:21.52 | latarsky | DawnLight: : configure various stuff. network, X, sound n stuff |
| 11:22.02 | force | i'm surprised bash checks at all |
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| 11:22.42 | force | thanks guys |
| 11:22.49 | a-atwood | latarsky dpkg reconfigure blah |
| 11:23.06 | a-atwood | bleh |
| 11:23.12 | a-atwood | latarsky: dpkg reconfigure blah |
| 11:23.16 | wols | jelly: problem is the admin cannot instal anything anymore then |
| 11:23.20 | jelly | a-atwood: typos are bad, mkay. |
| 11:23.29 | latarsky | hmm. wait leme give it a spin |
| 11:23.35 | jelly | wols: do I know that or not! :-) |
| 11:24.20 | DawnLight | latarsky: well there are half-automatic configuration tools but not with that kind of naming syntax. package maintainers make these things. so for example, alsa has 'alsaconf' |
| 11:24.23 | jelly | wols: the procedure goes a bit like remount w/ exec, hope noone notices, upgrade, remount w/ noexec ;-) |
| 11:24.36 | badcfe | hello. whats the way to set or remove password from a group in debian? |
| 11:24.53 | badcfe | i want to use newgrp the_group |
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| 11:25.27 | latarsky | DawnLight: I understand that. I meant something similar on the lines just as mandriva has drakXXX utilities |
| 11:26.26 | DawnLight | there is, as mentioned, dpkg-reconfigure |
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| 11:28.30 | latarsky | DawnLight: Isn't there any set of utilities. under one root application |
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| 11:29.09 | themill | latarsky: dpkg-reconfigure is the one root application for almost everything. There are a couple of exceptions. |
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| 11:29.23 | a-atwood | latarsky: ah, you mean init. ;^) |
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| 11:31.02 | a-atwood | latarsky: afaik, no. There may be exceptions, but mostly we just use whatever configurator is in the package. |
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| 11:32.10 | latarsky | themill: thats for reconfiguring the packages. not devices |
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| 11:32.30 | themill | latarsky: a device is not configured except through a package. |
| 11:32.55 | k_wifler | hi, is it possible to have multiple conversations here? |
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| 11:35.07 | wols | badcfe: groups don't have passwords. only users do |
| 11:35.24 | wols | k_wifler: easily |
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| 11:36.30 | mbroeker | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:36.30 | mbroeker | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:36.30 | mbroeker | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:37.00 | mbroeker | ups |
| 11:37.14 | mbroeker | anyway. time to go. cu later. |
| 11:37.27 | badcfe | wols: you shure? im asked for a password when doing newgrp the_group |
| 11:37.38 | badcfe | also, there is a password entry in /etc/group you know? |
| 11:37.41 | k_wifler | I have a seemingly simple question, I am at first boot, and having trouble with login from the command line |
| 11:38.30 | Ronin | k_wifler: yes and? |
| 11:38.50 | wols | badcfe: gpasswd |
| 11:38.55 | wols | badcfe: man newgrp helps |
| 11:39.17 | k_wifler | I must be missing something. I type the username, but can't type when the password prompt comes up |
| 11:39.22 | wols | k_wifler: you have set a root password or created a user on install? |
| 11:39.44 | wols | k_wifler: passwords are not shown at all. would be kinda pointless if they did |
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| 11:40.41 | Ronin | k_wifler: cant type or cant see what you typed? |
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| 11:41.25 | k_wifler | I can only press enter |
| 11:41.48 | wols | k_wifler: you can enter your password and press enter. if the password is right you will be logged in |
| 11:41.53 | Ronin | k_wifler: so you type your password and press enter |
| 11:42.02 | wols | I already told you: the pasdword you type in will not be shown in any way |
| 11:42.14 | k_wifler | not even stars? |
| 11:42.20 | wols | not even stars |
| 11:42.40 | hark | not even stars! |
| 11:42.55 | k_wifler | ok, maybe this error message will clear this up, I'll skip that for now |
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| 11:43.14 | k_wifler | it says /bin/sh: can't access tty; job control turned off |
| 11:43.28 | k_wifler | then goes to (initramfs) |
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| 11:43.36 | wols | what debian is this? |
| 11:43.38 | SpeedyG | hi, i've got a problem with nvidia-drivers in X, somehow I cant get a reso higher than 1024x768@50hz, while with the nv-driver I can get upto 1600x1200@75hz, anyone know where this problem might come from ? |
| 11:43.41 | wols | and what kernel? |
| 11:43.58 | wols | SpeedyG: monitor. check your xorg logs |
| 11:44.10 | wols | SpeedyG: do you use a tft? |
| 11:44.16 | SpeedyG | wols: nope, crt |
| 11:44.31 | SpeedyG | it's a 2.6.23 kernel in sid |
| 11:44.55 | k_wifler | it was supposed to be the latest one, but it says BusyBox v1.1.3 (Debian 1:1.1.3-4) Built-in shell (ash) |
| 11:44.57 | wols | SpeedyG: didn't ask you about the kernel. as I said, check the logs |
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| 11:45.13 | SpeedyG | wols: weird thing is, logs dont say anything about it |
| 11:45.16 | wols | k_wifler: what did you use to install debian? |
| 11:45.22 | wols | SpeedyG: they do |
| 11:45.34 | k_wifler | cd image I downloaded |
| 11:45.37 | SpeedyG | just if I do a dpkg-reconfigure on xserver-xorg, it says it cant write to config |
| 11:45.39 | wols | k_wifler: WHICH one? |
| 11:45.51 | wols | SpeedyG: are you root? |
| 11:45.54 | k_wifler | what, you mean like AMD ? |
| 11:46.05 | SpeedyG | wols: yes |
| 11:46.20 | wols | k_wifler: No, I mean what CD ISO |
| 11:46.39 | wols | SpeedyG: pastebin your xorg |
| 11:46.40 | SpeedyG | after googling for the exact errormsg, I got some bug thats filed in ubuntu... maybe its related or somth |
| 11:48.42 | k_wifler | the cd says Debian 4.0 r1 am |
| 11:48.52 | SpeedyG | wols: http://pastebin.ca/808206 |
| 11:49.16 | wols | SpeedyG: learn to read |
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| 11:49.32 | SpeedyG | wols: ? |
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| 11:49.58 | wols | SpeedyG: do you know what logs are? |
| 11:50.36 | SpeedyG | wols: yeah, if you said xlog i'd pasted the right one... sorry |
| 11:50.39 | wols | and twinview is enabled but only 1 monitor? |
| 11:50.57 | SpeedyG | wols: thats the default xorg.conf that came with the install |
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| 11:51.22 | wols | SpeedyG: that is utterly wrong |
| 11:51.32 | wols | dpkg-reconfigure never puts a twinview in there ever |
| 11:52.05 | SpeedyG | wols: maybe if I tell you this isnt a genuine debian sid box, but a sidux box it makes a bit sense |
| 11:52.22 | wols | maybe then you shouldn't ask us? go away |
| 11:52.39 | SpeedyG | http://pastebin.ca/808214 thats the log |
| 11:52.52 | wols | you don't run dbeian, so don't ask us |
| 11:52.55 | SpeedyG | wols: since its debian, with a twitch, most errors will be similar. |
| 11:52.58 | SpeedyG | and I do run debian |
| 11:53.03 | SpeedyG | Debian Sid with a twitch |
| 11:53.14 | wols | !sidux |
| 11:53.14 | dpkg | i heard sidux is a GNU/Linux Live CD distribution based on Debian's <unstable> branch. Go /join #sidux @ irc.oftc.net. See also <based on Debian caveats>. |
| 11:53.24 | wols | se this? NO debian |
| 11:53.50 | SpeedyG | ok, and what if I had this similar problem on a debian install? and went to sidux because maybe that didnt have this problem |
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| 11:53.57 | SpeedyG | since thats the reason why i've gone over to sidux |
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| 11:54.14 | wols | you don't have it. we don't care. either you run debian or you don't, end of story |
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| 11:54.28 | SpeedyG | and the reason I ask here, is because on 99% of the time, I got friendly replies to ANY question |
| 11:54.48 | wols | not if you didn't lie and said you run sidux |
| 11:55.00 | cydork | SpeedyG: install debian and come back.. and you will get friendly answers.. |
| 11:55.03 | SpeedyG | not telling isnt lying is it? |
| 11:55.16 | wols | ever heard of "lie by omission" |
| 11:55.17 | wols | it is a lie |
| 11:55.35 | Dark_Apostrophe | Isn't sidux basically the same as Sid? |
| 11:55.40 | wols | Dark_Apostrophe: no |
| 11:55.43 | cydork | Dark_Apostrophe: nope. |
| 11:55.43 | SpeedyG | Dark_Apostrophe: it is |
| 11:55.50 | Dark_Apostrophe | Hmm... I was under the impression that it was. |
| 11:55.56 | Dark_Apostrophe | Anyway, I prefer plain Debian Sid. :) |
| 11:55.57 | SpeedyG | Dark_Apostrophe: 'basically' |
| 11:56.01 | wols | Dark_Apostrophe: if it were sid it was called sid. is it called sid? no? |
| 11:56.04 | SpeedyG | but thats not enough for debian zealots |
| 11:56.19 | SpeedyG | and fortunately, I was warned for cocky behaviour |
| 11:56.21 | wols | SpeedyG: calling us zealots really makes us want to help you |
| 11:57.04 | SpeedyG | wols: i'm sorry, i'll go a bit afk now... i'm too fucked up now anyway to remain nice. anyhow, thanks for any help on debian-related stuff |
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| 11:57.06 | k_wifler | no offense, but you people are making me laugh |
| 11:57.59 | Dark_Apostrophe | Seems like bickering over minute details - trivialities - doesn't it? |
| 11:58.24 | wols | details are important |
| 11:58.35 | tmv | sometimes. ;] |
| 11:58.39 | Dark_Apostrophe | Are there any giant differences between Sid and Sidux? |
| 11:58.57 | wols | if #debian would be there to support any distro it's be called ##linux, not #debian |
| 11:58.58 | Dark_Apostrophe | If not, I don't see why you would refuse to help a Sidux user out. Seems petty to me. |
| 11:59.12 | Enverex | Well it says it's a LiveCD so it's not really normal Debian |
| 11:59.15 | Dark_Apostrophe | It's not any distro, it's 99.9% debian |
| 11:59.17 | wols | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:59.26 | Dark_Apostrophe | meh, never mind. |
| 11:59.31 | streuner | Dark_Apostrophe: thats OT. |
| 11:59.33 | themill | Dark_Apostrophe: trying to solve differences between sid and sidux is almost as bad as trying to solve ub*ntu problems here. There are differences, and we don't know what they all are so we can't help with it. |
| 11:59.42 | k_wifler | programming sure is convaluted |
| 11:59.51 | Dark_Apostrophe | Okay, fine. Never mind. |
| 12:00.44 | k_wifler | ok so instead of arguing about nonsense, how about this debian newbie over here? |
| 12:01.19 | wols | k_wifler: uname -a |
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| 12:01.29 | cydork | !newbie |
| 12:01.29 | dpkg | newbie is probably someone who is new to linux or debian, and should read the docs (/usr/share/doc/) |
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| 12:02.09 | k_wifler | ok, that just means: buy linux pre-installed |
| 12:02.46 | k_wifler | no I think I'll buy a pre-dual-booted system :) |
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| 12:03.11 | alienn | Hi. Does anyone know where to get the vserver patch which is integrated into the package `linux-image-2.6-vserver-686`? I'd like to build a bigmem variant of this kernel image but lack the debian package for the vserver patch... |
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| 12:04.12 | alienn | The package `kernel-patch-vserver` is not available... |
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| 12:05.20 | streuner | dpkg,wb |
| 12:05.30 | streuner | dpkg, wb |
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| 12:06.00 | _ke | i want to run a mysql-db, but i just have a small 2Gb partition for / and a much larger /home partition. is it possible to move the database over there? |
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| 12:06.23 | dpkg | thanks, streuner. It's good to be back. |
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| 12:09.54 | SpeedyG | wols: ok, so you are willing to help if its debian sid? i'll download and install that then.. |
| 12:10.10 | alienn | _ke: You can modify the file /etc/mysql/my.cnf. There is a parameter "datadir". If you shutdown your database copy the database files to the new dir and modify this parameter accordingly. Then you databases should be moved... ;) |
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| 12:10.30 | _ke | alienn, is it safe to do that? |
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| 12:11.05 | alienn | _ke: As always you should keep a backup at a safe place. But if done correctly then this procedure is safe. |
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| 12:11.35 | _ke | alienn, ok, thanks! |
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| 12:11.45 | k_wifler | before I go, I'd like to ask one last thing: If I go tinkering around with this stuff, is it possible to do things I can't re-partition over or re-install over? |
| 12:12.13 | wols | k_wifler: no |
| 12:12.44 | k_wifler | good, then I'll just continue to tinker w/o doing all of my homework :) |
| 12:13.01 | k_wifler | have fun all :) |
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| 12:13.44 | ribasushi | hi |
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| 12:14.17 | ribasushi | is there a way to instruct aptitude to only process packages tagged for removal just like dselect was able to? or do I have to resort to apt-get |
| 12:14.24 | Internat | question from someone new about lvm2.. if i have 2 drives/devices in the lvm.. and for some reason during boot up one isnt present.. will it stop the LVM from starting ie keeping it consistant, or will it attempt to start it and lose data |
| 12:14.24 | SpeedyG | wols: would you ? or should I try/use lenny if I really want some support on desktop-stuff ? problem is that etch gfx-drivers dont support my gfx-card |
| 12:14.57 | wols | SpeedyG: lenny has no nvidia drivers and etch will work fine if you backport nvidia drivers from sid |
| 12:15.09 | ribasushi | Internat: lvm must reconstruct the entire volume group before attempting to initialize individual logical volumes, so the answer is no it will not start at all |
| 12:15.16 | SpeedyG | wols: hm, ok, I might need some help with the backporting, but i'll try then |
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| 12:16.36 | _ke | alienn, how about doing the same with the apache www-dir? |
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| 12:19.37 | onats | hi, does anyone have any experience installing debian on a netvista 2200 thin client? |
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| 12:22.07 | wols | !anyone |
| 12:22.07 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone uses <someprogram>. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use <someprogram>?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls> |
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| 12:27.45 | onats | wols, well i was just gonna ask about the experience, and if its worth doing it on the thin clients |
| 12:27.57 | onats | i saw some here on our local store, and am still thinking about it if i should get some |
| 12:29.14 | _ke | if i want to move the apache /var/www directory to /home, are there some things i have to give attention? or is it just to set the apache site file to that directory? |
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| 12:30.19 | Kamping_Kaiser | _ke, any reason you want to move it? |
| 12:30.30 | stopher | I get "operation not permitted" when trying to chmod 777 on /var/www/files/list. I cannot move the files in /var/www/x/x to my desktop because of the file permissions. I have tried chmod to 777 666 775 to all fail. I have also chown'd to nobody and my username...niether of which works. Any input? |
| 12:30.33 | Kamping_Kaiser | make sure you change the directory root in sites-available/default |
| 12:30.57 | _ke | Kamping_Kaiser, yeah: my / has about 2Gb space, and my /home is much bigger. above that, it would simplify my backup |
| 12:30.59 | Kamping_Kaiser | stopher, you need to chmod the directory its in, not the file |
| 12:31.18 | ribasushi | _ke: one caveat is that suexec will neevr work from anywhwre other than /var/www, so if you are using it you can't |
| 12:31.24 | Kamping_Kaiser | _ke, the default site is all you have to fix, iirc |
| 12:31.27 | ribasushi | _ke: do a bind mount |
| 12:31.52 | ribasushi | _ke: so /var/www is still the default location but the fs under it is somewhere else |
| 12:32.16 | stopher | Kamping_Kaiser: I've done both, the directory, and the files, with no luck. |
| 12:32.52 | _ke | ribasushi, /home is already mounted on that disk. do you think i could mount it twice? |
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| 12:32.56 | Kamping_Kaiser | stopher, you probably get 'not permitted' because you dont own them. |
| 12:33.06 | Kamping_Kaiser | stopher, run `ls -lh /var/www/x/x` to see |
| 12:33.10 | ribasushi | _ke: bind mounting, not mounting |
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| 12:33.24 | _ke | ribasushi, so you can mount and bind mount at the same time? |
| 12:33.31 | _ke | ribasushi, let me find some doc about it |
| 12:33.42 | ribasushi | _ke: you take an empty directory (/var/www) and bind another directory (/muchspace/www) on top of it |
| 12:33.55 | ribasushi | _ke: you can mount over and over again as much as you want |
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| 12:34.29 | cast | anyone know what 'sh: ./test.bin: Text file busy' means? |
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| 12:35.03 | wols | it's buys. don't disturb it? |
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| 12:35.19 | Kamping_Kaiser | let the poor thing sleep :( |
| 12:35.20 | wols | *busy |
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| 12:35.27 | _ke | ribasushi, i guess, you mean something like this: mount --bind /home/httpd/ /var/www/ ? |
| 12:35.27 | wols | have you checked the contents of the file? |
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| 12:35.42 | cast | it's a binary |
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| 12:35.52 | ribasushi | _ke: precisely, but make sure you move the stuff from /var/www to /home/httpd first |
| 12:36.00 | ribasushi | _ke: you can even place this in fstab |
| 12:36.25 | _ke | ribasushi, of course! so this allows me to have suexec working? |
| 12:36.30 | ribasushi | _ke: yep |
| 12:36.44 | ribasushi | _ke: as far as every program is concerned the dir is still /var/www |
| 12:36.53 | _ke | ribasushi, awesome!! thank you very very much! |
| 12:37.01 | ribasushi | _ke: np |
| 12:38.33 | _ke | ribasushi, the /home/httpd dir should be owned by root? and just the /var/www by www-data? |
| 12:39.10 | ribasushi | _ke: the ownership of the mounted dir is carried over. What permission /var/www had before is irrelevant |
| 12:39.31 | ribasushi | so you adjust /home/httpd accordingly |
| 12:40.35 | _ke | ribasushi, i think root should be fine, and just the dir containing the website should be owned by www-data |
| 12:41.05 | ribasushi | _ke: this is mostly a matter of taste and policy |
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| 12:44.55 | yang | I am looking for the manual on changing the luksOpen password... |
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| 12:46.22 | ribasushi | yang: man cryptsetup |
| 12:46.37 | ribasushi | yang: you are looking for luksAddKey / luksDelKey |
| 12:47.21 | Sara | hi |
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| 12:49.18 | stopher | Kamping_Kaiser, ls -lh /var/www/x/x shows that i'm the owner of all of the contents |
| 12:49.21 | GiabboO | bye all |
| 12:49.36 | Kamping_Kaiser | GiabboO, later |
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| 12:50.17 | Kamping_Kaiser | stopher, is this sensitive data? just wondering if you can safely `ls -lhR /var/www/x` and drop it in pastebin so we can see whats happening? |
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| 12:52.14 | stopher | I would have to hand-type the entire list, as that computer doesn't have internet out--the subdirectory has about 800 files in it, all of which are mod 600, i cannot move them off of the server using ftp because they won't chmod to 777 or 775 |
| 12:53.54 | Kamping_Kaiser | ah |
| 12:53.58 | Kamping_Kaiser | lets not do that :P |
| 12:54.08 | stopher | Maybe if I say one more thing it will befuddle you more than I, There are two types of files in that directory. Thumb_ and reg_...I can change the Thumb_ files perfectly. the reg_ files won't budge |
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| 12:55.05 | Kamping_Kaiser | er, hm. |
| 12:55.19 | Kamping_Kaiser | well... it worked to befuddle :P |
| 12:56.03 | stopher | :) |
| 12:56.53 | DustyBin | the drivers for my tv card are already in my running kernel but i want to replace them with newer drivers, if i compile the new l4tv drivers, what happens to the older ones in the kernel? are they removed and replaced with the newer ones or are they just executed right at the end? |
| 12:57.47 | onats | how come the download speed of my pc which requests the package from an apt-cacher is slower, than the apt-cacher server downloading the package itself? |
| 12:57.52 | onats | any ideas guys?? |
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| 12:59.20 | Kamping_Kaiser | onats, hwo much slower? |
| 12:59.25 | wols | DustyBin: depends where i4tv is installed to and if i4tv is already in your initrd |
| 12:59.33 | Kamping_Kaiser | stopher, are the _'s special characters that have been changed? |
| 12:59.48 | onats | kamping_kaiser, when pc A (client) requests, its around 10kBps only... when my server downloads, its around 100kBps...? |
| 13:00.18 | Kamping_Kaiser | onats, is the server able to keep up? |
| 13:00.28 | DustyBin | wols: at the moment my kernel detects my tv card and it works but i dont want my kernel to use the its built in driver |
| 13:00.33 | onats | kamping_kaiser, what do you mean, keep up? |
| 13:01.08 | Kamping_Kaiser | onats, is the server fast enugh to handle whatever its doing+proxying? |
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| 13:01.36 | stopher | Kamping_Kaiser: Not sure if I follow? The files are Reg_832_data_data_data.jpg and Thumb_832_data_data_data.jpg. The problem is, these files were uploaded by our staff as part of a web based GUI. So I'm not sure what priorities the server set them to. |
| 13:02.22 | Kamping_Kaiser | stopher, can you run `file Reg_832_data_data_data.jpg` and `file Thumb_832_data_data_data.jpg` - do they return binary or similar? |
| 13:02.41 | onats | kamping_kaiser, its a P4,2.4Ghz, and was just downloading azureues.. now its doing nothing.. but update in client is at 13.5kbps |
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| 13:03.40 | solemnwarning | Are there any good guides for setting up kerberos on a NIS? |
| 13:03.48 | Kamping_Kaiser | onats, bah. thats almost faster then my desktop :( |
| 13:04.03 | solemnwarning | It's possible, right? |
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| 13:04.16 | onats | kamping_kaiser,hehehe.. so thats why i was wondering what's keeping the downloads slow... |
| 13:04.49 | stopher | Kamping_Kaiser: You would never believe this, I just ftp'd into the server (again, same as I've been doing) and everything was 777! |
| 13:04.55 | Kamping_Kaiser | onats, you have me confused, thats for sure |
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| 13:05.09 | Kamping_Kaiser | stopher, odd. wonder whats going on. |
| 13:05.10 | stopher | That would have to be the biggest delayed reaction this server has ever had |
| 13:05.11 | onats | kamping_kaiser, are you using apt-cacher? |
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| 13:05.27 | Kamping_Kaiser | onats, at work the other admins has it setup yeah. |
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| 13:05.54 | SpeedyG | hi, i'm trying to install a backport of the nvidia 71xx kernel, but i'm getting stuck at the apt-get build-dep part .. |
| 13:05.59 | onats | kamping_kaiser, i see... are you doing the config on your workstation? |
| 13:06.09 | SpeedyG | it keeps telling me that dependencies can't be found for several packages |
| 13:06.19 | onats | coz i wanna know if the speed when you update is faster |
| 13:06.24 | onats | i mean as fast as the server... |
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| 13:07.29 | Kamping_Kaiser | onats, i really couldnt comment, i havetn looked. i only use it for caching myself, rather then speed. |
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| 13:09.07 | onats | ok thanks then.. i'm just playing with it at home.... the thing is, one pc is x64, the other is i386... so downloading the packages is also different since its different architectures... |
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| 13:10.26 | balzar | blist |
| 13:10.41 | Kamping_Kaiser | onats, good luck with it :/ |
| 13:11.08 | stopher | Kamping_Kaiser: Got another question for you. I am going to have three servers set up with one main server rsync'ing with the other two, the other two will be remote backups incase one fails. I, first, have to have the main server setup perfectly. Once I do, can I drop the other server's harddrives into the main server, and execute a command to copy every single file to the other server drive? |
| 13:11.20 | stopher | Basically making it an exact duplicate, including bootable? |
| 13:12.16 | Kamping_Kaiser | stopher, sounds similar to what the other admin at work is trying to setup. |
| 13:12.41 | Kamping_Kaiser | theres a few files thta wont migrate well, but overall it worksish |
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| 13:13.25 | stopher | What i'm mainly worried about is my /tmp /home and /var's are on seperate partitions |
| 13:13.38 | milligan | xchat installed on debian lenny. Can't see the nicklist. Suggestions? :) |
| 13:14.27 | milligan | nvm |
| 13:14.31 | Kamping_Kaiser | hehe |
| 13:14.34 | Kamping_Kaiser | drag it |
| 13:14.51 | milligan | can't .. can only see the list if I do ctrl+u |
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| 13:17.01 | themill | How do I tell cifs to mount the remote share with permissions for my local uid and not my remote uid? |
| 13:17.04 | xwolf- | i'm having problems with etch not recognizing all the space available in my usb flash drive |
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| 13:18.45 | xwolf- | how do i update that? it seems debian is only remembering the last time it changed the usb disk. I have much more free space, but it says there's only 880MB available |
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| 13:21.06 | LoneTech | possibly it's merely showing you the dos filesystem entry for free space, which may not match the free space in fat (which can be inconsistent itself too) |
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| 13:21.23 | LoneTech | a dosfsck or similar could clean that up, but none of them work very nicely. |
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| 13:22.10 | xwolf- | right. well, i have gentoo at home and it works properly, so I'm just guessing it's probably some faulty program |
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| 13:25.21 | LoneTech | how do you mount and unmount the disk? |
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| 13:27.07 | xwolf- | LoneTech, by mount-ing and umount-ing |
| 13:29.42 | LoneTech | k |
| 13:29.42 | LoneTech | really should reinitialize then, so I don't see why it would differ. |
| 13:29.52 | LoneTech | (between debian and gentoo, that is) |
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| 13:31.30 | xwolf- | isn't there some kind of hardware probing thingy which I should be reinstalling or whatever? |
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| 13:32.49 | duncan | Hello, everyone |
| 13:33.04 | themill | dpkg: greet duncan |
| 13:33.04 | dpkg | Howdy, duncan |
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| 13:33.46 | duncan | Howdy, dpkg |
| 13:34.24 | Kamping_Kaiser | dpkg, <3 ftw |
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| 13:36.54 | themill | dpkg: confuse Kamping_Kaiser |
| 13:36.54 | dpkg | Yes, how was their hamster tomorrow, Kamping_Kaiser? breeches of the monarchy of belarus with extra cheese |
| 13:37.32 | themill | aptitude: insult Kamping_Kaiser |
| 13:37.37 | themill | :( |
| 13:37.42 | themill | aptitude: stupid bot |
| 13:37.43 | aptitude | no, stupid themill |
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| 13:38.31 | DawnLight | i need a bittorrent client with a web interface. got any? |
| 13:38.56 | Kamping_Kaiser | !lart themill |
| 13:39.00 | Kamping_Kaiser | *wmaahahah* |
| 13:39.20 | themill | !kill Kamping_Kaiser |
| 13:39.45 | wols | DawnLight: mldonkey I think |
| 13:39.46 | themill | large lead pipe >> furry squirrel :) |
| 13:40.01 | wols | themill: not furry squirrels. KILLER squirrels |
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| 13:40.09 | Kamping_Kaiser | !maim themill |
| 13:40.13 | Kamping_Kaiser | useless bot :( |
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| 13:41.14 | themill | dpkg: clever bot |
| 13:41.15 | DawnLight | wols: yes, it has bittorrent, thanks |
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| 13:41.39 | wols | !botsnack |
| 13:41.39 | dpkg | wols: :) |
| 13:41.52 | themill | !botspank |
| 13:41.52 | dpkg | oi, stop that |
| 13:42.14 | wols | themill: we really should stop the abuse |
| 13:42.24 | themill | yeah.... |
| 13:42.42 | themill | but it's that or swear at a centos box... |
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| 13:43.04 | wols | debugging socks here |
| 13:43.04 | xwolf- | or a debian box in my case... |
| 13:43.19 | xwolf- | i still can't get that free space back :( |
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| 13:47.01 | pol | hi ppl, does anyone have probleme with SNAT in iptables on etch ? |
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| 13:48.13 | thei0s | hi, can somebody tell me how to backup and restore aptitudes extra info for selected packages? (dpkg --get-selections doesnt do that) |
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| 13:48.51 | azeem | !aptitude clone |
| 13:48.51 | dpkg | To clone a Debian machine using aptitude (or install your favorite packages) use aptitude search -F '%100p' '~i!~M' > package_list; on the reference machine; xargs aptitude --schedule-only install < package_list; aptitude upgrade; on the other machine. |
| 13:48.54 | azeem | thei0s: ^^ |
| 13:49.07 | thei0s | azeem: 10x |
| 13:49.09 | azeem | thei0s: not sure that does exactly what you want |
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| 13:49.15 | azeem | thei0s: please report back if there are issues |
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| 13:50.01 | hendry | is there a standard TLD for running "test" web sites? like something.local ? |
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| 13:50.28 | tarzeau | hendry: no |
| 13:50.32 | themill | stew: ping |
| 13:52.10 | themill | hendry: example.com and example.net are reserved for use in documentation as per RFC2606, but that's probably not what you want as they actually resolve to other things. |
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| 13:54.47 | thei0s | azeem: hm, maybe a dpkg --clear-selections would also be good to run when restoring, else looks fine |
| 13:55.12 | mrak | hello there |
| 13:55.13 | mrak | :) |
| 13:55.53 | mrak | i have a question |
| 13:56.05 | hendry | i swear i saw .local on a unstable debian machine. also i think RH have some whay of doing it too in /etc/hosts |
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| 13:56.46 | mrak | if i build package where i can setup wich rights will have files |
| 13:56.58 | mrak | i think in postinst |
| 13:56.58 | thei0s | hendry: why dont you create a couple of virtual or real servers with dns servers set up an let one of them be a TLD for your .local domain? |
| 13:57.04 | mrak | but im not sure |
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| 13:57.40 | azeem | mrak: what kind of rights? |
| 13:57.52 | brecht | where can i download debian? |
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| 13:58.03 | mrak | brecht: debian.org |
| 13:58.05 | mrak | ;) |
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| 13:58.11 | Bracki | How can I find out which other packages need a package? |
| 13:58.24 | mrak | azeem: where can i setup it |
| 13:58.25 | azeem | Bracki: apt-cache rdepends <package> |
| 13:58.35 | azeem | mrak: how is that answering my question? |
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| 13:58.45 | brecht | mrak, too slow :( |
| 13:59.03 | mrak | brecht: try to some mirror |
| 13:59.07 | azeem | brecht: what exactly are you trying to do? |
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| 13:59.54 | mrak | azeem: sorry ... i dont know what u mean kind of rights |
| 14:00.20 | mrak | azeem: a need setup user and group for it and 755 |
| 14:00.25 | mrak | for files |
| 14:00.59 | azeem | 755 being "kind of rights" |
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| 14:01.19 | azeem | so apparently you're talking about ownership as well |
| 14:01.35 | milligan | How does /etc/init.d/ work in debian? I'm used to gentoo where I did rc-update to automaticly start a program on boot. Will applications that are marked +x start at boot on deb? |
| 14:01.49 | azeem | milligan: man update-rc.d |
| 14:02.03 | rlc | Where can I find compatibility info for fujitsu RX330 S1 and Debian ? |
| 14:02.08 | brecht | mrak: 80 kb/sec when i down. |
| 14:02.22 | azeem | milligan: also, there is /etc/init.d/README |
| 14:02.37 | mrak | azeem: well i try to ask again ... mayb better ... where, i mean wich that right file in debian dir, i can setup this |
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| 14:03.17 | azeem | mrak: AFAIK file permissions are preserved, but maybe reset by dh_fixperms |
| 14:03.33 | azeem | mrak: OTOH, file ownsership is not preserved and needs to be set in postinst, I think |
| 14:03.50 | azeem | mrak: what kind of files need a different owner than root? |
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| 14:05.44 | mrak | azeem: php scripts |
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| 14:05.56 | azeem | which owner? |
| 14:07.49 | mrak | azeem: www-data.mygroup |
| 14:07.51 | milligan | azeem, update-rc.d vmware start 2355 stop 016 <- what's wrong with that ? |
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| 14:08.19 | mbroeker | azeem, all files can be granted to root safely. except files, that need to be writable by services or belong directly to them. |
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| 14:15.30 | SpeedyG | hey, on my current desktop I only get 1280x1024@54hz, is there a way to change/improve this ? |
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| 14:16.16 | sep | !drxx |
| 14:16.16 | dpkg | To reconfigure your X server, run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg as root. If you're not using Xorg (sarge or earlier), dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86, and ask me about <xmd5sum> if you've changed XF86Config-4 yourself. |
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| 14:16.56 | SpeedyG | sep: I have used that |
| 14:17.21 | SpeedyG | sep: using the nv driver, it all works fine with 1280x1024@75, but with the nvidia driver it somehow doesnt :( |
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| 14:24.16 | sivang | howdy all |
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| 14:24.31 | sivang | can someone point me to a working / correct default sources.list file? |
| 14:24.42 | Kamping_Kaiser | !sources.list |
| 14:24.42 | dpkg | Your /etc/apt/sources.list should have a line like "deb http://ftp.<cc>.debian.org/debian etch main" and "deb http://security.debian.org/ etch/updates main" where <cc> is your country code. Be sure to run "apt-get update" after editing sources.list in order to refresh your database. Also see <mirrors> <etch security> <testing security> and /usr/share/doc/apt/examples/sources.list |
| 14:24.57 | sivang | hey Kamping_Kaiser |
| 14:25.04 | mXr | shouldn't the linux md raid1 code balance reads among the (in this case, 2) member drives? |
| 14:25.21 | mXr | even if there is only one reading process |
| 14:25.22 | Kamping_Kaiser | sivang, hi mate :) |
| 14:25.25 | sivang | Kamping_Kaiser: what if I want sources for a lenny/sid ? |
| 14:25.26 | Kamping_Kaiser | fancy seeing you here :) |
| 14:25.35 | sivang | Kamping_Kaiser: as for me to you :-) |
| 14:25.42 | Kamping_Kaiser | sivang, use 'lenny' instead of 'etch' :) |
| 14:25.49 | sivang | Kamping_Kaiser: decided to go to the roots of ubuntu and start from there? |
| 14:25.56 | sivang | (I did that back then) |
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| 14:26.07 | Kamping_Kaiser | sivang, i'm a debian user atm ;) i started with debian, went to ubuntu, then 'came home' |
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| 14:26.15 | Kamping_Kaiser | not enough elietism in ubuntu ;) |
| 14:26.16 | Kamping_Kaiser | *sp |
| 14:26.25 | sivang | Kamping_Kaiser: ah, then home sweet home it is :-p |
| 14:26.41 | Kamping_Kaiser | hehehe |
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| 14:26.47 | Kamping_Kaiser | happy days. |
| 14:26.50 | sivang | Kamping_Kaiser: I'm going to try and have an emdebian installation on my gutsy |
| 14:27.04 | sivang | Kamping_Kaiser: seems like lots of dependnecies need to be changes to make it work |
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| 14:27.15 | Kamping_Kaiser | sivang, neat. i was looking to learn their toolkit for crosscompiles, but my brain keeps exploding |
| 14:27.37 | sivang | Kamping_Kaiser: cool stuff, yeah |
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| 14:28.20 | Kamping_Kaiser | sivang, you still do ubuntu stuff? |
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| 14:28.59 | dacs | Good Morning all |
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| 14:29.50 | sivang | morning dacs |
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| 14:33.51 | sivang | Kamping_Kaiser: is the debian-non us deprecated? |
| 14:34.22 | Kamping_Kaiser | sivang, yes, since sarge |
| 14:34.32 | Kamping_Kaiser | :( |
| 14:34.47 | Kamping_Kaiser | not my day. 3 conversations terminated by quit with 3 people :( |
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| 14:35.06 | sivang | Kamping_Kaiser: back |
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| 14:35.10 | sivang | switched clients |
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| 14:35.18 | sivang | !dpkg sources.list |
| 14:35.20 | solemnwarning | I've setup NIS and kerberos, but the +/- lines in /etc/passwd are ignored with no messages when using PAM |
| 14:35.28 | solemnwarning | What should I do? |
| 14:35.44 | sivang | hehe, "THIS IS NOT #ubuntu " :) |
| 14:35.51 | Kamping_Kaiser | sivang, wb |
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| 14:36.03 | Kamping_Kaiser | !tell sivang about ubuntu |
| 14:36.04 | Kamping_Kaiser | :) |
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| 14:36.41 | JshWright | 'lo all |
| 14:36.52 | Kamping_Kaiser | dpkg told me it told you :/ |
| 14:36.54 | Kamping_Kaiser | JshWright, hey |
| 14:37.08 | Kamping_Kaiser | its positively bizzare the amount of #ubuntu questions we get here :( |
| 14:37.51 | sivang | Kamping_Kaiser: yes, according to dpkg's response I see |
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| 14:38.38 | Kamping_Kaiser | sivang, mmm. |
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| 14:41.33 | mne | hi guys. i want to disable colors in bitchx so that the channel logs don't contain those ansi chars. how do i do that ? i found nothing in the docs |
| 14:41.54 | abrotman | did you ask #bitchx? |
| 14:42.19 | Kamping_Kaiser | does someone here know how to edit dpkg's factoids? |
| 14:42.27 | Kamping_Kaiser | emdebian needs spellchecking |
| 14:42.31 | Kamping_Kaiser | !emdebian |
| 14:42.31 | dpkg | somebody said emdebian was a project focused on extending Debian's reach into the embedded space; it is an independent project and not formally associated with the Debian distrobution [yet]. It aims to make Debian GNU/Linux a mainstream choice for embedded Linux. Check out http://www.emdebian.org/ as well as http://familiar.handhelds.org/ or #emdebian on irc.oftc.net |
| 14:42.40 | Kamping_Kaiser | "distrobution" |
| 14:42.53 | abrotman | germans can't spell .. what do you want :) |
| 14:43.12 | abrotman | fixed |
| 14:43.16 | Kamping_Kaiser | thanks |
| 14:43.27 | sivang | Kamping_Kaiser: k, thanks I will join the channel now |
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| 14:43.45 | Kamping_Kaiser | sivang, np. |
| 14:43.56 | Kamping_Kaiser | sivang, i'm in there so i'll know if you dont :P |
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| 14:44.38 | solemnwarning | Why does /etc/passwd ignore +/- lines? |
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| 14:45.02 | Kamping_Kaiser | what lines? |
| 14:45.21 | solemnwarning | Kamping_Kaiser: NIS include/exclude/override lines |
| 14:45.50 | solemnwarning | getent treats them as normal lines and they have no effect on services |
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| 14:46.03 | Kamping_Kaiser | isnt that nis's fault, not passwd's? |
| 14:46.08 | Sam1337 | Hello |
| 14:46.36 | Enverex | Does anyone here (on x86_64) compile Wine? I've noticed some of the previously fulfilled Wine deps are now missing |
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| 14:47.14 | Enverex | (libpng, libhal, libcups, etc) |
| 14:47.45 | Kamping_Kaiser | Enverex, sounds like a packaging bug. |
| 14:48.08 | solemnwarning | Kamping_Kaiser: The system isn't supposed to read past +/- lines |
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| 14:48.23 | Enverex | Kamping_Kaiser, Packaging of what, ia32-libs? |
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| 14:48.48 | Sam1337 | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:48.50 | wols | Enverex: I don't believe libpng is missing in debian... |
| 14:48.58 | Enverex | wols, True, but Wine is a 32bit ap |
| 14:49.00 | Enverex | *app |
| 14:49.17 | Enverex | Which means it'll be looking for the 32bit version |
| 14:49.41 | Kamping_Kaiser | Enverex, if wine depends on something and its not in the dependancies, sounds like a bug. unles your doing wine for an unsupported arch, in which case your kind of on your own from packages |
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| 14:50.33 | Enverex | Kamping_Kaiser, I'm compiling from source on Sid. My point was that a while back (month or so?) everything was happy, it found everything, now there are a large chunk of missing dependencies (not critical, but not trivial either) |
| 14:50.42 | wols | Enverex: wine does not exist on amd64 at all |
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| 14:51.06 | wols | at least not on etch |
| 14:51.26 | Kamping_Kaiser | !info wine sid |
| 14:51.34 | dpkg | wine: (Windows API Implementation (standard suite)), section otherosfs, is optional. Version: 0.9.47-1 (sid), Packaged size: 692 kB, Installed size: 728 kB |
| 14:51.37 | Sam1337 | wine is buggy |
| 14:51.46 | Kamping_Kaiser | no meantion of arch's |
| 14:51.47 | Enverex | wols, I thought it did, but what I'm trying to track down is what has changed in the 32bit support files in Debian for these deps to not be found anymore |
| 14:51.47 | Kamping_Kaiser | :/ |
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| 14:52.07 | Enverex | Sam1337, Thanks for another useful comment... |
| 14:52.33 | wols | Enverex: snapshot.debian.net |
| 14:53.17 | jelly | !info flashplugin-nonfree etch |
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| 14:53.47 | dpkg | flashplugin-nonfree: (Adobe Flash Player plugin installer), section contrib/web, is optional. Version: 9.0.31.0.1 (etch), Packaged size: 12 kB, Installed size: 124 kB |
| 14:53.47 | themill | Sam1337: they accept patches quite happily. Please post to wine-devel@winehq.org |
| 14:53.56 | wols | jelly: use the backports one |
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| 14:54.12 | jelly | wols: it's outdated too, #454366 |
| 14:54.14 | themill | wols, jelly: or the dmm one |
| 14:54.24 | Enverex | wols, Other than ia32-libs, what would libpng, libcups and libhal probably be in? |
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| 14:54.43 | wols | Enverex: in libpng, libcups and libhal |
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| 14:54.51 | jelly | I'll just comment out md5sum checks from the postinst. *shrug* |
| 14:54.59 | Enverex | wols, I'm talking about 32bit libs on an x86_64 machine |
| 14:55.14 | katyush-free | hi, i have a new external hard disk, it apperas in fdisk as "/dev/sdb1 2 9167 73625895 f W95 Ext'd (LBA)". gparted doesnt see it, how can i format it? |
| 14:55.35 | Kamping_Kaiser | katyush-free, mkfs.<filesystem> |
| 14:55.43 | Kamping_Kaiser | !mkfs |
| 14:55.43 | dpkg | from memory, mkfs is is MaKe FileSystem (kinda obvious what it does) |
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| 14:56.05 | JYL57 | hi debian world ! |
| 14:56.31 | wols | Kamping_Kaiser: mkfs /dev/sdb1 |
| 14:56.33 | JYL57 | where should I install an application on my box ? which directory ? |
| 14:56.33 | vano | Hi all. I am having problem with locales (2 yrs old server, but it is updated regularly).. now ppostgres won't start. I tied reinstalling locales, but I get this errors in dselect: locales depends on glibc-2.3.6.ds1-1 ... glibc-2.3.6.ds1-1 does not appear to be available ... everything is updated (stable)... can someone please send a tip or two for a fast fix for this? Thanks |
| 14:56.40 | katyush-free | Kamping_Kaiser, i get "mkfs.vfat: Attempting to create a too large file system". i want it fat32. is it possible to create such a large fat32? (80GB) |
| 14:56.45 | wols | JYL57: what kind of application? |
| 14:56.48 | Kamping_Kaiser | wols, yes, true. |
| 14:57.02 | wols | yogurt2ungue: /usr/local/ or ~ or there usual places for stuff that doesn't come in a .deb |
| 14:57.03 | JYL57 | koha, a library manager ! |
| 14:57.07 | elmo40 | JYL57: usually external apps install to /opt |
| 14:57.12 | wols | Kamping_Kaiser: was for katyush-free, sorry |
| 14:57.17 | abrotman | /usr/local/ |
| 14:57.23 | Kamping_Kaiser | wols, ah right. nm. |
| 14:57.31 | Enverex | wols, So no other ideas then? |
| 14:57.35 | JYL57 | ok thanks |
| 14:57.41 | wols | Enverex: get the 32bit libs |
| 14:57.42 | jelly | wols, themill: solved with dpkg -i package-from-sid ;-) |
| 14:57.51 | themill | heh |
| 14:57.54 | Enverex | wols, ... yes, we've established that much |
| 14:57.57 | Kamping_Kaiser | katyush-free, you can check the man page, i have no idea about those kind of filesystems :) |
| 14:57.58 | wols | jelly: eeeww |
| 14:58.15 | Enverex | wols, What I'm trying to work out is why they've been removed from a package and which package... |
| 14:58.16 | elmo40 | abrotman: that is where the run files go, not the installation files. |
| 14:58.20 | jelly | wols: it's a wrapper for tar anyway. |
| 14:58.28 | wols | Enverex: you are compiling your own stuff. on sid. what do you expect? |
| 14:58.34 | simonrvn | katyush-free: what do you think? it told you as much |
| 14:58.47 | katyush-free | Kamping_Kaiser, the man page doesnt spacifi limitations on FAT32 |
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| 14:59.00 | wols | Kamping_Kaiser: wikipedia does |
| 14:59.02 | abrotman | elmo40: /usr/local/ is fine .. he wants to install the application .. |
| 14:59.10 | themill | !tell a4ndr3c about root |
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| 14:59.22 | wols | gah |
| 14:59.26 | Enverex | wols, My problem isn't related to me compiling though, it's related to something having changed that may need to be reported but wont be if you keep trying to be counterproductive! |
| 14:59.29 | Kamping_Kaiser | wols, you might need to check your tab key :) |
| 14:59.31 | wols | katyush-free: wikipedia knows the limits of fat32 |
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| 15:00.58 | jelly | Can iceweasel have tabs on the (left or right) side, like Opera? |
| 15:01.14 | Enverex | Kamping_Kaiser, Back a month ago or so, when compiling Wine it would find all the deps needed happily. Now when you try and compile (despite the same packages being installed) it can't find libcups, libhal, libpng and a few others. |
| 15:01.36 | Kamping_Kaiser | jelly, dont think so |
| 15:01.42 | katyush-free | wols, simonrvn Kamping_Kaiser , ok so can you help me with the arguments for the mkfs command , what should i put for "blocks" if i want a 20GB partition? |
| 15:01.46 | Kamping_Kaiser | jelly, perhaps theres an extention to make that happen though |
| 15:01.52 | themill | jelly there's probably an extension for that... |
| 15:02.07 | Kamping_Kaiser | Enverex, devel packages, or installed binary packages? |
| 15:02.11 | simonrvn | katyush-free: mkfs doesn't create partitions |
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| 15:02.48 | Enverex | Kamping_Kaiser, devel I assume, required to compile against, or libraries to use at runtime |
| 15:02.56 | vano | ok looks like dpkg is unaware of any installed glibc and locale depends on that... anyone can tell me what is the fastest way to fix this? Thanks |
| 15:03.01 | simonrvn | jelly: tab extension you used to be able to put them top or bottom, etc., and on several rows |
| 15:03.07 | Kamping_Kaiser | Enverex, so apt-get build-dep <thing your building> doesnt pull them in? |
| 15:03.20 | wols | vano: how did you check for libc6? |
| 15:03.35 | katyush-free | simonrvn, mmm...so how do i format my new external hard disc? |
| 15:03.37 | vano | wols: dpkg -l glibc* |
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| 15:03.50 | vano | version says none |
| 15:03.51 | wols | vano: there is no such package. dpkg -l libc6 |
| 15:03.52 | vano | for all entries |
| 15:03.54 | Enverex | Kamping_Kaiser, Oddly enough it wants to remove Flex and install Flex-old... |
| 15:04.01 | simonrvn | cfdisk, fdisk, parted, ... man pages exist for all of them |
| 15:04.09 | katyush-free | i guess i can firmat it as ext3 and then create FAT partitions with gaprted... |
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| 15:04.39 | wols | katyush-free: you are very very confused what partitioning is and what formatting is |
| 15:04.41 | vano | wols: ok.. it is there 2.6.1-2 |
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| 15:04.53 | jelly | I guess a careful use of "firefox vertical tabs" keywords might yield results |
| 15:04.58 | katyush-free | wols, indeed i am |
| 15:05.02 | wols | vano: that is lenny or sid. this is NOT stable |
| 15:05.13 | xerophyte | how do you shutdown a interface on the debian .. ifdown eth1 wil that shutdown just wondering |
| 15:05.18 | wols | katyush-free: use cfdisk /dev/sdb and create a partition of the desired size. THEN format it with mkfs |
| 15:05.18 | Kamping_Kaiser | Enverex, that does sound... interesting, can i suggest you ask #debian-mentors on irc.debian.org? theres more developer minded people there, rather then this misc. support channel |
| 15:05.26 | wols | xerophyte: yes |
| 15:05.51 | vano | wols: looks like the server was updated to install the latest version of posgresql... I am just wondering what to do in order to get locales in there |
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| 15:05.59 | Enverex | Kamping_Kaiser, ... 5 people in the channel :/ |
| 15:06.07 | abrotman | Enverex: on irc.oftc.net ? |
| 15:06.09 | wols | vano: get locales from the same source your got your libc6 from |
| 15:06.16 | Enverex | abrotman, Whoops |
| 15:06.17 | themill | Enverex: try again.. there's 92 of us there |
| 15:06.23 | wols | vano: not, libc6 doesn't exist in that version in lenny or sid either anymore |
| 15:06.34 | xerophyte | wols: how can i reconfigure the interface after modified the /etc/network/interfaces .. i don't wanna restart the /etc/init.d/network .. is there anyway i can use the configuration file to configure without also configuring with ifconfig |
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| 15:06.44 | wols | xerophyte: ifup eth1 |
| 15:06.44 | vano | wols: unstable then.. ok let me see what happens... hmmm so that means I have to update libc ? |
| 15:07.02 | katyush-free | wols, " cfdisk [ -agvz ] [ -c cylinders ] [ -h heads ] [ -s sectors-per-track ] |
| 15:07.03 | katyush-free | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:07.04 | wols | vano: yes. you fucked up by simply installing psotgresql from sid. dumb move |
| 15:07.13 | abrotman | "simply" :) |
| 15:07.16 | wols | katyush-free: read what I wrote |
| 15:07.38 | wols | abrotman: apt-get install -t unstable is very simple. it's also dumb but that's his problem |
| 15:07.52 | vano | wols: it wasnt me... I would have stuck with stable all along :) but what is the best solution for such a scenario? |
| 15:08.08 | wols | !best |
| 15:08.08 | dpkg | Best for what? Please define what you mean by "best". Gloria Gaynor! Tina Turner! Aretha Franklin! Men without Hats! Women without Hats! Men at Work! Women at Play! Anyone for Tennis! |
| 15:08.14 | abrotman | vano: kill the admin ? |
| 15:08.27 | Kamping_Kaiser | well suggested |
| 15:08.34 | wols | and definitely take away his access to ANY root passwords |
| 15:08.36 | katyush-free | wols, sorry...infomation over flow... i get it -cfdisk /dev/sdb |
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| 15:08.43 | vano | best as in getting a normal system.... short of reinstalling the whole shebang of course (unless this is the best :-) |
| 15:09.10 | Enverex | Kamping_Kaiser, That channel didn't exist, but I connected to irc.oftc.net instead and that was ok... I thought it was the same network... which was a little odd |
| 15:09.26 | wols | vano: the fact that you have to ask what to do makes me loath to suggest something. Imho you don't know enough to do what I'd suggest |
| 15:09.27 | Kamping_Kaiser | Enverex, it should be the same network, if its not, theres a problem |
| 15:09.48 | vano | wols: debian is not my strength.. but try me |
| 15:09.53 | katyush-free | wols i get "fatal error - cannot open disc drive" |
| 15:10.05 | wols | use a postgres backport and downgrade the other things to etch versions |
| 15:10.38 | abrotman | hrm .. downgrade libc6 .. or eat worms .. |
| 15:10.38 | ^Timo^ | any apache2.2.6 users around here that have installed it correcty ? |
| 15:10.41 | wols | katyush-free: what devicename is your new disk? |
| 15:10.53 | wols | !tell ^Timo^ about anyone |
| 15:11.01 | ^Timo^ | i am stuck on 2 parts on the http://httpd.apache.org/docs/2.2/install.html |
| 15:11.06 | abrotman | ask #apache |
| 15:11.11 | katyush-free | /dev/sdb1 |
| 15:11.20 | wols | katyush-free: this is NO disk |
| 15:11.22 | ^Timo^ | yes #apache is dead |
| 15:11.27 | ^Timo^ | ;( |
| 15:11.33 | themill | ^Timo^: use debian packages |
| 15:11.35 | wols | ^Timo^: debian has perfectly fine apache2 packages. why are you compiling your own? |
| 15:11.36 | abrotman | okay .. then aptitude install apache2 |
| 15:11.38 | abrotman | problem solved |
| 15:11.52 | ^Timo^ | yes. |
| 15:11.59 | vano | wols, abortman: good enough tips...will look around on the net on how to do the backport... |
| 15:12.02 | vano | thanks guys |
| 15:12.03 | ^Timo^ | but i want the latest package |
| 15:12.06 | abrotman | !backport |
| 15:12.06 | dpkg | somebody said backport was a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and ABI complications. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-package.en.html#s-port or http://backports.org/ or http://www.apt-get.org/ or ask me about <simple sid backport> and <backport caveat>, or <backports.org> |
| 15:12.10 | ^Timo^ | i know i can download it from aptitude |
| 15:12.13 | abrotman | ^Timo^: then ask #apache |
| 15:12.24 | ^Timo^ | okay. |
| 15:12.30 | wols | ^Timo^: wnd why didn't you do it then when you knew? |
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| 15:12.47 | ^Timo^ | cuz |
| 15:12.57 | ^Timo^ | i want the latest version installed |
| 15:12.58 | katyush-free | wols, you are talking to a very ignorant person. what do i need to do? |
| 15:13.03 | vano | abrotman: thanks |
| 15:13.12 | ^Timo^ | apt-get is to easy |
| 15:13.17 | ^Timo^ | must learn more |
| 15:13.19 | wols | katyush-free: find out what the devicename of your disk is |
| 15:13.35 | katyush-free | wols, how do i do that? |
| 15:13.38 | vano | abrotman: tip on how to downgrading to etch? |
| 15:13.46 | wols | katyush-free: check dmesg or kern.log |
| 15:13.48 | elmo40 | ^Timo^: what IS the latest version of apache2? |
| 15:13.49 | themill | !tell vano about reinstall |
| 15:13.51 | abrotman | vano: praying .. lots of praying |
| 15:13.54 | wols | vano: manually |
| 15:13.54 | abrotman | !downgrade |
| 15:13.55 | dpkg | methinks downgrade is not possible with apt-get currently. No future support is anticipated. Some programs change the binary format of their files in a way that cannot be rolled back later, and package maintainer scripts provide ways to upgrade to new config file formats but not ways to downgrade. You can always try to downgrade a package using dpkg -i <olderversion.deb>. |
| 15:14.01 | katyush-free | wols, ok thanks |
| 15:14.04 | vano | thought so :) |
| 15:14.06 | vano | thanks |
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| 15:15.11 | vano | thanks guys will try that... if not a reinstall and the psql backport should do the trick... long we ahead :) |
| 15:15.13 | Enverex | Why has that never been implemented? Seems like a rather basic feature that is missing |
| 15:15.18 | Nyle | Good Morning |
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| 15:15.40 | abrotman | Enverex: because it's dicey at best |
| 15:15.44 | wols | Enverex: do you ever read? |
| 15:16.10 | abrotman | Enverex: roughly .. vano could end up with a system that won't boot .. |
| 15:16.44 | rlc | is there an easy way to install a package from sid in lenny ? |
| 15:17.03 | wols | !tell rlc about simple sid backport |
| 15:17.14 | wols | rlc: it's easier to just wait a few weeks tho |
| 15:17.21 | abrotman | rlc: which package? |
| 15:17.41 | katyush-free | wols is this it: scsi 4:0:0:0: Direct-Access Hitachi HTS541680J9SA00 PQ: 0 ANSI: 2 CCS |
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| 15:17.42 | rlc | wols: allright i'm not familiar with debian :) |
| 15:17.42 | katyush-free | :? |
| 15:17.44 | Nyle | rlc: it is harder to learn how to package, but it beats waiting for weeks |
| 15:17.50 | Enverex | wols, Yes, thank ou |
| 15:17.53 | Nyle | !tell rlc -about package basics |
| 15:17.53 | Enverex | *you |
| 15:18.00 | Enverex | abrotman, Not for non-critical packages |
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| 15:18.06 | wols | katyush-free: nice but it doesn't say anything about a device name. it should say it near that line tho somewhere |
| 15:18.14 | abrotman | Enverex: define non-critical |
| 15:18.28 | rlc | abrotman: bluez |
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| 15:18.35 | abrotman | ah ok |
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| 15:18.37 | Enverex | abrotman, GIMP, Pidgin, Minesweeper... |
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| 15:18.46 | abrotman | Enverex: what about mysql? |
| 15:18.49 | abrotman | or postgresql? |
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| 15:18.56 | wols | don't dare to call my minesweeper non critical! |
| 15:19.11 | Kamping_Kaiser | nothing is critical until it pulls in a gtk2 from <random location> and gnome stops working ;) |
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| 15:19.27 | katyush-free | wols, thanks for help, give up today ,will try again tomorrow. |
| 15:19.44 | philina | hi. I have a mp3 player that only plays mp3s. is there a nice frontend that will reencode other music formats when i drag them on the player? |
| 15:19.55 | stew | themill: pong |
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| 15:20.25 | ts_ | Hello, How do I DD two partitions? say if I want sdb1, aswell as sdb2. Thanks |
| 15:20.41 | Kamping_Kaiser | ts_, one at a time |
| 15:20.44 | philina | ts_: partition sdb |
| 15:21.13 | themill | stew: Hi! lucky these pings have a long ttl :) |
| 15:21.18 | wols | philina: that's no partitiona nd would also copy sbd3,sdb4,sdb5,etc |
| 15:21.25 | rlc | Nyle:thk u |
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| 15:21.29 | stew | it was only 3 hops |
| 15:21.31 | wols | themill: nah, just latency |
| 15:21.33 | ts_ | Kamping_Kaiser: philina but the HD is 40gb and I don't have enough space for that, though I do have enough space for the actual data that is on the hard disk because it's only using 400mb. |
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| 15:21.50 | philina | ugh. iread how do I DO |
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| 15:21.55 | Nyle | philina: if the whole drive is partitioned, and he uses sdb instead of an actual partition, how would you tell where one begins and one ends |
| 15:22.03 | Nyle | it would just dd the contents of the whole thing no? |
| 15:22.08 | themill | stew: I noticed a little bugglet in your dpkg web page to do with handling of < in a factoid and wondered if (a) you didn't know and (b) you cared. |
| 15:22.16 | wols | Nyle: of course |
| 15:22.18 | Kamping_Kaiser | perhaps i misunderstood - ts_ can you ask again? |
| 15:22.19 | Nyle | so wouldn't you have to use dd one by one |
| 15:22.21 | Nyle | on each partition |
| 15:22.23 | Nyle | logically |
| 15:22.29 | Nyle | wols: you da man |
| 15:22.43 | stew | themill: awesome, i've been looking for new volunteers to do some work on that code. thanks |
| 15:22.48 | wols | Nyle: you could give dd offsets and sizes too to do it if you really wanted. 2 dd commands is easiest tho |
| 15:22.49 | themill | heh |
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| 15:23.09 | stew | themill: :) what is it? |
| 15:23.09 | Nyle | hi stew |
| 15:23.15 | stew | happy friday |
| 15:23.17 | ts_ | Kamping_Kaiser: I need the partitions exactly as they are. The data that is on there only comes to 500mb. Thing is, it's a 40gb HD, and I don't have 40gb free. |
| 15:23.20 | Nyle | indeed |
| 15:23.38 | themill | stew: have a look at the entry for "debian clone" |
| 15:23.38 | wols | ts_: why can't you use 2 dd commands? |
| 15:23.45 | wols | one for sdb1, one for sdb2 |
| 15:23.47 | Kamping_Kaiser | ts_, are you after partition data, or jsut the data on the drive? cp -a or rsync can get hte data off |
| 15:23.49 | ts_ | wols: Such as? |
| 15:23.53 | Nyle | argh |
| 15:23.56 | Nyle | its a piece of cake ts_ |
| 15:23.59 | Nyle | man dd |
| 15:24.03 | ts_ | Kamping_Kaiser: No, bcause the partitions need to be the exact same |
| 15:24.03 | simonrvn | copy the partition table, and dd the filled partition |
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| 15:24.16 | Nyle | my favorite raven who Quothed |
| 15:24.19 | Nyle | er.. |
| 15:24.21 | Nyle | hi simonrvn |
| 15:24.22 | Kamping_Kaiser | simonrvn, iwas thinking that, i just dont know how to do it, so cant suggest it *grin* |
| 15:24.25 | simonrvn | hi |
| 15:24.28 | ts_ | wols: because as Nyle said, how would I know where one starts and the other finishes? |
| 15:24.30 | Solarion | using sid, courier-imapd: I get "* BYE [ALERT] Fatal error: Account's mailbox directory is not owned by the correct uid or gid: No such file or directory" |
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| 15:24.43 | Kamping_Kaiser | ts_, save partition data off the drive |
| 15:24.43 | Nyle | 'hi' quoth the simonraven |
| 15:24.46 | simonrvn | some variant of fdisk can make a copy of the partition table |
| 15:24.48 | wols | ts_: that's nonsensical when you dd each parition separately |
| 15:24.52 | Solarion | known problem? |
| 15:24.55 | Nyle | simonrvn: cat? |
| 15:24.59 | Nyle | simonrvn: less? |
| 15:25.03 | Kamping_Kaiser | Solarion, does it exist? do they own it? |
| 15:25.12 | Solarion | Kamping_Kaiser: yes to both |
| 15:25.21 | wols | Solarion: did you create the maildir? |
| 15:25.37 | Solarion | wols: no; existing maildir which worked right before the upgrade |
| 15:25.43 | Kamping_Kaiser | Solarion, i'm not overly familar with how courier works - did you use makemaildir (or maildirmake)? |
| 15:25.43 | Kamping_Kaiser | hm |
| 15:25.46 | ts_ | Nyle: what do you mean man dd? |
| 15:25.54 | Kamping_Kaiser | ts_, check the manual |
| 15:26.07 | wols | ts_: that you should learn to read docs |
| 15:27.17 | simonrvn | y |
| 15:27.30 | simonrvn | that's a spare |
| 15:27.31 | philina | sorry to bring my original question up again. a gui to drag oggs to a mp3 player and reencode, does that exist? |
| 15:27.33 | wols | themill: you wanna buy a 'why'? mostly unused but tainted by the fingers of Nyle |
| 15:27.35 | Kamping_Kaiser | Rage Against The Machine + drunkish IRC support == epic win |
| 15:27.47 | Nyle | pistol grip pump |
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| 15:27.52 | Kamping_Kaiser | philina, i dont know of one, but its not the sort of thing i'm into |
| 15:27.58 | Nyle | Kamping_Kaiser: #music |
| 15:27.58 | Nyle | my man |
| 15:28.00 | Kamping_Kaiser | Township Rebelion |
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| 15:28.37 | Kamping_Kaiser | |:Fight the war, fuck the norm, why stand on a silent platform :| (:| = 'repeat' in music) |
| 15:28.47 | Solarion | chdir("/home/<user>/.maildir") = 0 |
| 15:28.54 | Solarion | stat64("loginexec", 0xbfd35804) = -1 ENOENT (No such file or directory) |
| 15:29.03 | simonrvn | don't paste here |
| 15:29.20 | Nyle | Kamping_Kaiser: no really, i don't wanna go ot, but wanna talk music, join #music |
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| 15:29.36 | Nyle | Kamping_Kaiser: i'll give you a tootsie roll |
| 15:29.45 | Solarion | simonrvn: is only 2 lines |
| 15:29.48 | wols | themill: you can't sell what you haven't bought from me yet! |
| 15:29.54 | Nyle | simonrvn: upto 3 are fine |
| 15:30.03 | Kamping_Kaiser | Nyle, heheh |
| 15:30.06 | Nyle | Solarion: still its a good idea to paste on a paster site |
| 15:30.17 | Kamping_Kaiser | simonrvn, 2-3 lines is ok surely |
| 15:30.17 | simonrvn | i thought you were starting a 20 line paste |
| 15:30.20 | Nyle | !paster Solarion |
| 15:30.20 | dpkg | Solarion: put your output on http://channels.debian.net/paste so we can see it. DO NOT paste into the channel. |
| 15:30.38 | Nyle | it doesn't say 'do no' |
| 15:30.38 | Solarion | verywell |
| 15:30.44 | Nyle | it says "DO NOT" |
| 15:30.48 | Nyle | all caps, its emphasized |
| 15:30.50 | Nyle | :) |
| 15:30.57 | Kamping_Kaiser | simonrvn, *shudder* |
| 15:30.59 | Nyle | of course it is |
| 15:31.11 | Nyle | they have a #flood too |
| 15:31.17 | Nyle | for habitual pasters |
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| 15:31.27 | simonrvn | which usually gets abused to hell |
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| 15:31.50 | Solarion | hmm; maybe it's failing on the group, not the owner |
| 15:31.56 | Kamping_Kaiser | s/bannned/kicked |
| 15:32.10 | abrotman | Kamping_Kaiser: depends what you're pasting |
| 15:32.25 | Solarion | yep |
| 15:32.30 | stew | themill: fixed. thanks for the heads up |
| 15:32.30 | Kamping_Kaiser | Solarion, i dont know how courier works in this way, but is the home +x o? |
| 15:32.32 | Solarion | it's choking on the gid, not uid |
| 15:32.37 | simonrvn | certainly not construction paper |
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| 15:32.51 | ts_ | Nyle: wols Right, so after I copy the data from both partitions.. how do I then make a replica of the *now blank* partitions onto the other hd's I'm cloning to so that it doesn't take a long time? Thanks |
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| 15:33.03 | Solarion | Kamping_Kaiser: to debug it, I'm running imapd in preauth mode, i.e. directly as the user |
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| 15:33.10 | Solarion | bugfiling time |
| 15:33.11 | xerophyte | if you change the hostname for debian server do you have to restart the box .. or just restaring the services should work ? just wondering |
| 15:33.12 | Nyle | ts_: it will take time |
| 15:33.13 | themill | wols: I was selling short. As long as I can close my position by the end of trading, I won't go to gaol... |
| 15:33.22 | ts_ | Nyle: that I do not have |
| 15:33.28 | Nyle | ts_: sorry |
| 15:33.35 | themill | stew: hey! nice work. thanks ;) |
| 15:33.43 | Kamping_Kaiser | Solarion, gl |
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| 15:34.05 | Solarion | Kamping_Kaiser: does exim require the gid of the destination directory to be group of mail? |
| 15:34.16 | zirc0n | hey, for some reason gnome isn't showing mounted volumes on the desktop despite being configured to do so... any hints? |
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| 15:34.35 | zirc0n | (this is gnome from testing) |
| 15:34.44 | Solarion | I mean, exim is user/group Debian-exim, so it's not root |
| 15:35.10 | Kamping_Kaiser | Solarion, not afaik, but i've had (sadly) little contact with it |
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| 15:35.22 | wols | Solarion: your problem is courier, not exim |
| 15:35.29 | AbsintheSyringe | how in testing can I downgrade to 2.6.21? |
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| 15:35.42 | Burps | Hi : I have a computer on UTC time, I would like to make it un CET : tzconfig keeps telling me I'm in Europe/Paris (CET), but I still have the UTC time : where do I have to config this ? |
| 15:35.55 | Solarion | wols: I recognize that, but the delivery maildir was owned by mail, so that the mail server could deliver without being root. |
| 15:36.02 | beardy | !set the time |
| 15:36.03 | dpkg | To set the time in debian, use date --set. The truly enlightened user, however, will install ntp and adjtimex to have their clock set automatically on reboot and slewed to match time servers. You may also need to run tzconfig (sarge, etch), dpkg-reconfigure tzdata (lenny, sid), and make sure you have the right UTC setting in /etc/default/rcS first. |
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| 15:36.26 | Solarion | wols: if I don't need to have it owned by mail, then I'll change it to a different group |
| 15:36.46 | simonrvn | Solarion: it can change it via conf |
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| 15:37.04 | Solarion | simonrvn: more information (e.g. link) please? |
| 15:37.10 | Nyle | google! |
| 15:37.17 | simonrvn | aptitude install exim4-doc-html |
| 15:37.25 | Solarion | googling "conf" will be fruitless |
| 15:37.35 | Nyle | yes it will be |
| 15:37.39 | simonrvn | 'user' 'group' |
| 15:37.41 | Nyle | but google debian exim conf |
| 15:37.48 | Nyle | might yeild some results |
| 15:38.15 | Solarion | Nyle: certainly, but exim's involvement is far from clear in the statement "it can change it via conf" |
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| 15:38.27 | Solarion | as both "it"s are wholly undefined |
| 15:38.38 | Nyle | Solarion: obviously |
| 15:39.16 | simonrvn | that's because you're supposed to read my mind :P |
| 15:39.22 | Solarion | simonrvn: :) |
| 15:39.29 | Nyle | simonrvn++ |
| 15:39.40 | Nyle | i haven't seen stoned in a long time |
| 15:39.42 | Nyle | I wonder where he is |
| 15:39.52 | simonrvn | i don't know |
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| 15:40.03 | stoned | oh! |
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| 15:40.11 | Nyle | hehe |
| 15:40.17 | Solarion | mail still seems to go through even as non-mail. Interesting. |
| 15:40.27 | Solarion | "non-mail group" |
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| 15:40.51 | Nyle | !seen stoned |
| 15:40.52 | dpkg | stoned <i=simon@unaffiliated/simonrvn> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 48s ago, saying: 'oh!'. |
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| 15:40.56 | wols | Solarion: MDAs are usually run as root |
| 15:41.00 | Nyle | heh |
| 15:41.01 | Nyle | damit |
| 15:41.06 | Solarion | wols: aaah |
| 15:41.12 | wols | how else could they write files owned by $user? |
| 15:41.53 | Solarion | wols: caps, but I would suspect caps would be dropped on setuid |
| 15:42.21 | LinuxBlues | hi, I have a problem trying to download syslog-ng for amd64 (my laptop, I don't have it here right now) could you click on amd64 http://packages.debian.org/etch/syslog-ng ?? |
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| 15:43.54 | Solarion | ah, "Every thread has a set of effective capabilities that may be _inherited_" |
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| 15:45.00 | Jyzygzy- | isn't bind a name server tinhgy? |
| 15:45.02 | Jyzygzy- | thingy |
| 15:45.07 | Solarion | Jyzygzy-: yes |
| 15:45.08 | wols | Jyzygzy-: yes |
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| 15:45.18 | Jyzygzy- | the best? |
| 15:45.18 | simonrvn | depends |
| 15:45.28 | wols | Jyzygzy-: you do not want to run bind |
| 15:45.32 | Jyzygzy- | y not |
| 15:46.14 | Jyzygzy- | wols is there a better? |
| 15:46.24 | simonrvn | !best |
| 15:46.24 | dpkg | Best for what? Please define what you mean by "best". Gloria Gaynor! Tina Turner! Aretha Franklin! Men without Hats! Women without Hats! Men at Work! Women at Play! Anyone for Tennis! |
| 15:46.43 | Solarion | Jyzygzy-: DNS is tricky to do right |
| 15:46.58 | Jyzygzy- | well then its time for me to learn it |
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| 15:47.14 | Jyzygzy- | wanted to do to for 5r years |
| 15:47.54 | Jyzygzy- | i need a name server so i can somehow make my domains resolv to my computers |
| 15:48.11 | Solarion | Jyzygzy-: most registrars will do DNS |
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| 15:49.17 | Jyzygzy- | i don't know if any of mine does |
| 15:49.23 | Jyzygzy- | i have like 4 registrars |
| 15:49.41 | Solarion | might check into that |
| 15:49.54 | Jyzygzy- | well you can't know |
| 15:50.17 | Jyzygzy- | its so wrongly advertised that you can't know what ur getting |
| 15:50.18 | wols | DNS is often offered for free |
| 15:50.27 | Jyzygzy- | well i know i have a free DNS account |
| 15:50.33 | abrotman | !tell Jyzygzy- about ur |
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| 15:50.51 | Jyzygzy- | i don't understand anything about the config |
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| 15:51.16 | geek00l | quick question here, may i know where to find the total packages count of sid |
| 15:51.35 | abrotman | !dstats sid |
| 15:51.41 | dpkg | Debian Distro Stats on sid... 22273 packages, 1901 maintainers, 56463 MB installed size, 19561 MB compressed size. |
| 15:51.54 | Jyzygzy- | so i figure that if i install BIND |
| 15:51.57 | Jyzygzy- | i would learn lots |
| 15:51.59 | Kamping_Kaiser | debian hitting 2000 DD's will be fairly Epic |
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| 15:52.06 | Kamping_Kaiser | wonder if i can be one of them <3 |
| 15:52.07 | abrotman | Kamping_Kaiser: they're not all active |
| 15:52.09 | Solarion | Is that MB or MiB? |
| 15:52.11 | Jyzygzy- | well i have a book about the internet infestractrure |
| 15:52.16 | Jyzygzy- | maybe i should read it |
| 15:52.24 | abrotman | start now |
| 15:52.24 | Jyzygzy- | prolly gonna master the DNS after that |
| 15:52.30 | geek00l | thanks |
| 15:52.31 | Jyzygzy- | well im reading the C book :D |
| 15:52.33 | Kamping_Kaiser | abrotman, i know :( i've been watching the MIA group |
| 15:52.48 | abrotman | Jyzygzy-: do you have a debian question ? |
| 15:52.53 | Jyzygzy- | and the networking low level book |
| 15:53.12 | Jyzygzy- | how the signal is coded to the sine wave |
| 15:53.33 | JYL57 | installing some perl modules with CPAN, I got the following message : /bin/sh: cc: command not found |
| 15:53.48 | Jyzygzy- | abrotman very debian related stuff! |
| 15:53.52 | wols | !tell Jyzygzy- about b-e |
| 15:54.00 | abrotman | Jyzygzy-: not really |
| 15:54.06 | Jyzygzy- | yea really |
| 15:54.07 | abrotman | !b-e JYL57 |
| 15:54.08 | dpkg | JYL57: Sounds like you need to aptitude install build-essential. |
| 15:54.26 | Jyzygzy- | wols well.. thanks |
| 15:54.28 | abrotman | JYL57: also look at .. uhm dh_make? that's not it .. |
| 15:54.33 | wols | abrotman: he is the guy who wanted a lol://lolo.lol.lol/lol.html url earlier... |
| 15:54.53 | stew | LinuxBlues: fixed. |
| 15:54.53 | abrotman | wols: should i act surprised? |
| 15:54.54 | Jyzygzy- | no! |
| 15:55.00 | Jyzygzy- | well maybe :( |
| 15:55.10 | JYL57 | but I've just installed gcc and a bunch of other Perl modules withut problems... Isn't it a symlink prob ? |
| 15:55.37 | abrotman | JYL57: there's a way to make debian packages out of CPAN modules |
| 15:55.44 | dkr | JYL57: the other perl modules might not have had xs components that need to be compiled |
| 15:55.45 | Jyzygzy- | i put a lol.lol to main gateway and made DHCP to spread the word to every computer! |
| 15:55.48 | LinuxBlues | stew, thnx |
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| 15:55.58 | Jyzygzy- | its hilarious |
| 15:56.09 | abrotman | dh-make-perl |
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| 15:56.40 | dkr | or just install the existing packages of the perl modules instead of using cpan, :) |
| 15:57.08 | abrotman | well .. if they don't exist .. i assume JYL57 has at least checked that |
| 15:57.22 | JYL57 | humm, not so sure... |
| 15:58.00 | JYL57 | I'm just following some install script which asks for other modules. |
| 15:58.52 | dkr | aptitude search libmodule-name-perl |
| 15:59.05 | Jyzygzy- | wols http://88.115.41.134/aaaawtf.swf thats me |
| 15:59.12 | dkr | that would be the package for Module::Name |
| 15:59.19 | Jyzygzy- | now maybe after that you understand |
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| 16:00.38 | wols | Jyzygzy-: I knew that you are a freuity one before |
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| 16:05.51 | SQLDb | hey, is it just me, or does Icedove completely lack the RSS support that thunderbird has? |
| 16:06.12 | abrotman | that's TB1.x |
| 16:06.21 | abrotman | rather .. icedove in etch is based on TB1.x |
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| 16:06.32 | SQLDb | I'm in unstable |
| 16:06.56 | abrotman | did you add the "News and Feeds" account thingie ? |
| 16:06.58 | SQLDb | mine says it's 2.0.0.6 |
| 16:07.02 | SQLDb | it won't let you |
| 16:07.06 | SQLDb | there's no such option |
| 16:07.35 | abrotman | bugs.debian.org/icedove have any clues? |
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| 16:08.24 | abrotman | SQLDb: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=452212 |
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| 16:09.11 | SQLDb | I followed this: http://kb.mozillazine.org/RSS_basics_%28Thunderbird%29 , but, here's what I get: http://tinypic.com/view.php?pic=6k4hu34&s=1 |
| 16:09.12 | SQLDb | ahh |
| 16:09.40 | SQLDb | abrotman: thanks, btw :) |
| 16:09.45 | abrotman | you're welcome |
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| 16:11.15 | SQLDb | oh, god, I've got to install windows for that to work :P |
| 16:11.15 | SQLDb | heh |
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| 16:11.37 | markl_ | is there an OpenSSL guru around: if i have an SSL key with no password, is there a way to add one? |
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| 16:14.25 | error0327 | i have a router at home and i like to know who is connect to these router ,,so how i do that ,i use Debian testing |
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| 16:15.48 | abrotman | SQLDb: or get the source and extract the file? |
| 16:15.53 | abrotman | SQLDb: moment |
| 16:15.57 | Jyzygzy- | anyone remember where the Layer7 is located in kerel configuration |
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| 16:16.47 | abrotman | SQLDb: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=428421 <-- they're attached in the bug towards the bottom |
| 16:16.48 | error0327 | i have a router at home and i like to know who is connect to these router ,,so how i do that ,i use Debian testing and i am connected to the router throw wifi no cable ,,can any one help ? |
| 16:16.57 | abrotman | Jyzygzy-: #kernel |
| 16:17.07 | Jyzygzy- | k |
| 16:17.10 | abrotman | error0327: login to the router .. look |
| 16:17.11 | cahoot | Jyzygzy-: hit / and search |
| 16:17.17 | Jyzygzy- | oh you can do that |
| 16:17.19 | Kamping_Kaiser | error0327, , dont spam. |
| 16:17.25 | Jyzygzy- | nice feature |
| 16:17.32 | Kamping_Kaiser | i was going to answer, instead of tell you off. |
| 16:17.37 | error0327 | ok sorry |
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| 16:17.59 | Kamping_Kaiser | error0327, the router runs debian? |
| 16:18.07 | Kamping_Kaiser | log in and type 'last' and 'lastb' |
| 16:18.13 | ^Timo^ | Hi. |
| 16:18.15 | ^Timo^ | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:18.18 | ^Timo^ | why ? |
| 16:18.25 | Kamping_Kaiser | ^Timo^, *because* |
| 16:18.29 | Kamping_Kaiser | !htfswk |
| 16:18.29 | dpkg | How The Fuck Should We Know? |
| 16:18.38 | error0327 | no just for network |
| 16:18.39 | ^Timo^ | hmm hmm. |
| 16:18.47 | LinuxBlues | ^Timo^, adduser Timo |
| 16:19.25 | LinuxBlues | only ONE or two names allowed, is simple |
| 16:20.00 | chops | ^Timo^: It's true, that error message is not the best |
| 16:20.16 | SQLDb | abrotman: worked like a charm, thanks :) (I found them, then saw your messages) |
| 16:20.19 | error0327 | Kamping_Kaiser,i am connected to the router how to scan the ips that connected like me ? |
| 16:20.22 | abrotman | SQLDb: ah okay .. enjoy! |
| 16:20.40 | Kamping_Kaiser | error0327, run 'last' (as i said) |
| 16:20.41 | abrotman | error0327: why do you care? |
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| 16:21.38 | abrotman | dkr: ? |
| 16:21.43 | abrotman | oh .. |
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| 16:30.36 | xored | i need a 1000hz kernel for debain etch..can i get it out of the portage ? |
| 16:30.47 | Kamping_Kaiser | er... wtf? |
| 16:30.50 | stew | xored: no, you have to compile it yourself |
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| 16:31.51 | xored | stew: ok, what do i need under debian for that ? i only used for it under gentoo. Where do i get the sources, what are the headers exactly for ? |
| 16:32.43 | stew | xored: aptitude install linux-source-$version ; will put a tarball in /usr/src; untar that, make menuconfig, then compile with make-kpkg: /msg dpkg kp |
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| 16:33.27 | stew | xored: if you want to start from your current .config, it is /boot/config-$(uname -r) ; not that in that case you'd want to be building an initrd kernel by passing --initrd to make-kpkg |
| 16:34.42 | xored | stew: one second, its a dedicated server with a build kernel. Server is not productive yet, the only thing it should be, is hosting 3-4 gameserver, thats quite anything i want. So initrd is what for exactly ? |
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| 16:36.09 | pinguim_paran0id | Hello :) I'm sorry the question but im having here a few troubles try to mount the second hd here someone knows why this is happen? :X |
| 16:36.14 | stew | xored: initrd is so that debian can build kernels with basically everything as a module so that it can work with the largest array of hardwaore. but since the kernel needs to be able to mount the root partition in order to load modules, you need to build a "inital root disk" in that contains the modules needed to mount / to load more modules |
| 16:36.33 | pinguim_paran0id | is one ide |
| 16:36.37 | pinguim_paran0id | :x |
| 16:36.54 | xored | stew: ah i know that from the SATA driver in gentoo, you have to build them in if you want to boot from a SATA drive |
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| 16:37.22 | stew | xored: no, you don't need them just becuase you have sata. you'd need it of you wanted / on lvm or raid, however |
| 16:37.59 | stew | xored: you either need to make sure that the modules needed to mount / are compiled directly into the kenrel (* not M), or create an initrd that contains those modules, "those modules" include fs drivers (ext3?) and the sata/ide/scsi/whatever drivers for the drive contianing / |
| 16:38.59 | error03271 | can any one learn me how to use "last' i tray to read the man but don't understand all that thinks ,,i need to know who is connected to my router i am using Debian testing ,the router using just for network at home , i am connected to the router using the wifi |
| 16:39.29 | xored | stew: ok..iam right no failing..when i try to install the sources i get a : dpkg: syntax error: unknown user `munin' in statoverride file |
| 16:39.30 | stew | error03271: try "w" or "who" |
| 16:40.43 | error03271 | sorry English is not my mother languish |
| 16:40.43 | xored | ok fixed |
| 16:41.11 | stew | xored: this means that some file is being forced to be owned to user munin in /var/lib/dpkg/statoverride but there is no munin user. you can edit that file and remove the override, or change it to another user. or add a munin user |
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| 16:41.40 | xored | stew: right now i have a k7 smp kernel..as i have a opteron, thats what i will need |
| 16:42.00 | tmv | something is definitely wrong with this old PC, irssi just cored. :( |
| 16:43.04 | error03271 | can any one learn me who to use "last' i tray to read the man but don't understand all that thinks ,,i need to know how is connected to my router i am using Debian testing ,the router using just for network at home , i am connected to the router using the wifi sorry for spaming just fix the syntax |
| 16:43.21 | abrotman | error03271: is the router running debian or not? |
| 16:43.23 | xored | stew: what exactly do i have to do according to my kernel concerning SATA. As there are SATA drives, i will need to compile the SATA modules into the kernl |
| 16:43.36 | xored | stew: or can i use the old initrd kernel or similar things |
| 16:43.51 | chops | tmv: memtest? |
| 16:44.22 | tmv | chops: tried _everything_ already. something is just wrong with the motherboard i guess :( |
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| 16:44.38 | chops | tmv: :-( |
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| 16:45.32 | tmv | it's old duron 700, i got from sister, i was computerless for several years. |
| 16:45.40 | error03271 | abrotman,i dont understand you question but the router is just the hardware that i am using for network it is some kind of accses point |
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| 16:45.53 | abrotman | error03271: so it's a linksys router? |
| 16:46.02 | b0ha | hello |
| 16:46.14 | b0ha | can you guys help me with this problem: http://pastebin.com/d7f01d5ac |
| 16:46.20 | stew | xored: if the root partition is on SATA then you either need the SATA driver for your card compiled into the kernel directly, or you need to use an initrd |
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| 16:47.03 | xored | stew: 00:05.0 IDE interface: Silicon Integrated Systems [SiS] 182 SATA/RAID Controller (rev 01) |
| 16:47.27 | xored | stew: thats what lspci tells me. you are famliar with that sata controller? i never got such one |
| 16:47.47 | error03271 | abrotman,yes but i just using the wifi not connected threw lan |
| 16:48.04 | stew | xored: i'm not familiar with sata, though i wouls be suprised if that wasn't supported by the sata_sis module |
| 16:48.11 | abrotman | error03271: uhm .. how is this a debian question again? |
| 16:48.24 | stew | i still haven't actually seen a sata drive in person, i don't think |
| 16:48.31 | abrotman | eh? |
| 16:48.36 | stew | hi |
| 16:48.52 | abrotman | not a single one? |
| 16:48.55 | stew | no |
| 16:49.10 | stew | i own a bunch of sata cables, and have 2 laptops with sata, but i've never pulled the drives |
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| 16:49.22 | stew | i admin a server with 6TB of sata drives, but i've never seen them |
| 16:49.28 | holycow | debian 4 is debian etch right |
| 16:49.30 | holycow | ? |
| 16:49.31 | abrotman | yes |
| 16:49.39 | holycow | danke |
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| 16:50.20 | error03271 | abrotman, i am using a Debian on my laptop and from my laptop i tray to know all that ,,""i am a new linux user so please just help me " |
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| 16:50.48 | abrotman | error03271: you have to login to the router .. and get it from there |
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| 16:51.01 | xored | stew: ok the kernel is configured. I guess its not done the : make all / make all_modules / make install way |
| 16:51.09 | xored | stew: is there a debian way for the kernel ? |
| 16:51.12 | robf[AsteriaSGI] | is there a decent howto manual on .deb creation (gentoo user here, work is necessitating I build a .deb, coming from .ebuild packages I'm sort of lost) |
| 16:51.18 | abrotman | error03271: maybe ask #networking |
| 16:51.20 | abrotman | !mg |
| 16:51.20 | dpkg | A simple packaging walkthrough can be found by (as root) "apt-get install maint-guide" and then (as user) lynx /usr/share/doc/maint-guide/maint-guide.en.html/index.html" (or http://www.debian.org/doc/maint-guide/ online). 'Mg' is also the chemical symbol for magnesium, or may mean Madagascar. |
| 16:51.27 | robf[AsteriaSGI] | ah thank you =) |
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| 16:51.33 | abrotman | robf[AsteriaSGI]: or ask #debian-mentors on irc.oftc.net |
| 16:51.34 | stew | xored: you can do it that way, but it is recommended you use make-kpkg: /msg dpkg kp |
| 16:51.49 | xored | ok |
| 16:51.59 | error03271 | abrotman,if i am just connected ti the router not inf to get the data |
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| 16:52.39 | error03271 | abrotman, where is the networking think i am new in xchat tow |
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| 16:55.14 | xored | stew: thank you for you help |
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| 17:03.05 | hackman127 | Is there a tool to convert apple mail directories to a maildir format? |
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| 17:04.40 | eroticon | hello folks, |
| 17:04.50 | eroticon | how do i tell dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg to try to autodected the video card |
| 17:05.28 | xored | stew: should i use --initrd ( will it be build automatically ) or not ? |
| 17:06.41 | mbroeker | eroticon, paste lspci -v to a nopaste server and all the people here will try to autodetect your card :) |
| 17:07.21 | eroticon | no |
| 17:07.35 | eroticon | i just need it because we are about to migrate from xp to linux |
| 17:07.45 | eroticon | and some people on remote places need to autodetect their vodei caard |
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| 17:14.35 | protoloco | Hello im using rsync to syncronize a backup in other remote server but.. i get an error saying... http://pastebin.com/m19edd257. This is the command that im using ' rsync -avr --delete --rsh=ssh /var/backups/ web.xxxx.xxx.com:/var/backups/unibicate-office ' |
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| 17:15.36 | mib_force | protoloco: you somehow got no memory free for that ;) |
| 17:15.45 | protoloco | >s |
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| 17:16.32 | protoloco | mib_force, Cpu(s): 0.0%us, 0.0%sy, 0.0%ni,100.0%id, 0.0%wa, _ |
| 17:16.36 | protoloco | 100.0 % id _ |
| 17:16.38 | protoloco | ? |
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| 17:17.14 | Eulex | that's cpu usage |
| 17:17.23 | mib_force | exactly |
| 17:17.27 | mib_force | protoloco: try 'free' |
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| 17:18.20 | protoloco | web:/var# free |
| 17:18.20 | protoloco | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:18.20 | protoloco | Mem: 524460 426848 97612 0 30556 137952 |
| 17:18.20 | protoloco | -/+ buffers/cache: 258340 266120 |
| 17:18.20 | protoloco | Swap: 0 0 0 |
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| 17:18.30 | protoloco | sorry |
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| 17:20.24 | Eulex | protoloco, looks very ok |
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| 17:21.45 | protoloco | mm.. thats weird.. |
| 17:21.47 | protoloco | >S |
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| 17:24.27 | Archie1_ | has the alsa sigmatel 9200 bug been fixed on debian? |
| 17:24.28 | LinuxBlues | eSa|: http://sackheads.org/~bnaylor/spew/away_msgs.html |
| 17:24.59 | jelly | this is a decent setup to get tabs on left (or right) in Firefox: www.widefox.com |
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| 17:26.38 | LinuxBlues | eSa|: http://sackheads.org/~bnaylor/spew/away_msgs.html |
| 17:26.52 | Archie1_ | anyone knows if i can get hda-intel working in debian??? so far i had no luck, the newest kernel version is required to get it working.. |
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| 17:28.27 | LinuxBlues | Archie1_: are you using gnome? I've solved it installing libesd-alsa0 on my laptop (it was nvidia-(intel)-hda though) |
| 17:28.58 | stew | Archie1_: "aptitude install module-assistant ; m-a prepare ; m-a a-i alsa" will get you a newer alsa. if you need an even newer alsa, download the alsa-source package from sid and repeat |
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| 17:42.42 | AbsintheSyringe | has anyone here figured the vmware problem on 2.6.22 kernel? |
| 17:42.50 | AbsintheSyringe | I mean how to actually get it compiled |
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| 17:43.21 | penp | AbsintheSyringe: I just use virtualbox |
| 17:43.37 | penp | it works a lot better for me than vmware |
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| 17:43.47 | AbsintheSyringe | penp, my usb controllers dont work on it for me, or I'm doing something wrong |
| 17:43.56 | penp | ah |
| 17:43.58 | AbsintheSyringe | I enable the usb support, but nothing happens once I plug it in |
| 17:44.17 | penp | thats because vbox OSE has no usb support, unless you compiled the standard from source |
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| 17:44.38 | AbsintheSyringe | penp, it'll actually work if I compile vbox from the source? |
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| 17:44.59 | penp | not sure..hold on |
| 17:45.44 | penp | did you get virtualbox from the debian repos or from the virtualbox repos? |
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| 17:46.03 | AbsintheSyringe | penp, I just got it of from their website |
| 17:46.24 | AbsintheSyringe | deb http://www.virtualbox.org/debian etch non-free |
| 17:46.43 | penp | ok |
| 17:47.33 | penp | USB support should work on that one, but not the one from the debian repos as that one was compiled from the open source version..hm |
| 17:47.38 | penp | You will need to install some additional libraries on your Linux system in order to run VirtualBox - in particular, you will need libxalan-c, libxerces-c and version 5 of libstdc++. How to install these will depend on the Linux distribution you are using. |
| 17:47.52 | penp | but if those werent installed, you probably couldnt run vbox anyway |
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| 17:49.06 | roe | has anyone gotten down to the mystery of missing nvidia kernel in lenny? |
| 17:49.38 | AbsintheSyringe | penp, yea I got all of those installed, something is just terribly wrong |
| 17:49.45 | penp | have you tried mounting the usb device before mounting it in the guest? |
| 17:49.57 | penp | roe: i see nvidia-kernel-source in lenny |
| 17:50.05 | DawnLight | i'm having trouble changing mldonkey's incoming directory. it is incoming/files (in /var/lib/mldonkey/) by default so i've 'cp -a /var/lib/mldonkey/incoming/ /mnt/hdd/' and changed mldonkey's configuration to point to /mnt/hdd/incoming/files/ but now it's ini script won't start it. when i change the directory back it can start. i don't know what to do |
| 17:50.31 | AbsintheSyringe | penp, yea, tried both of those, nothing |
| 17:50.35 | penp | rargh |
| 17:50.49 | penp | does it produce any kind of error? or just wont let you do it period |
| 17:50.52 | roe | penp, yes, the source is there but in etch and sid there are pre-compiled packages |
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| 17:51.25 | penp | roe: whats wrong with compiling it yourself? |
| 17:51.28 | penp | m-a a-i nvidia |
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| 17:52.52 | roe | yes, thank you. Of course you have to install module assistant first. That wasn't my question. My question was why has there been an inconsistency in lenny for the last month, is it purposeful or accidental? |
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| 17:54.37 | tls_81 | lmao |
| 17:54.48 | tls_81 | Was stupidly logged in as root... |
| 17:55.03 | tls_81 | what a Twit I am sometimes... |
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| 17:55.22 | hoxu | DawnLight, no clue about this particular application, but wouldn't a symlink do fine? |
| 17:55.24 | Kolin | wooo |
| 17:55.46 | DawnLight | hoxu: thought about it but actually... i never did one |
| 17:56.19 | hoxu | DawnLight, man ln, you need the -s option for symbolic link |
| 17:56.22 | tls_81 | anyways what are your views on datacenter security using switches, it has just come to my attention that anyone on the same branch of the datacenter network can packet sniff and catch non encrypted data quite easily? |
| 17:56.29 | DawnLight | thanks |
| 17:56.59 | tls_81 | let me know if there is a better place to ask for this... |
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| 17:57.38 | pike_ | tls_81: dont know packet sniffing |
| 17:57.41 | hoxu | tls_81, I think you have enough knowledge to evaluate that yourself :p |
| 17:57.46 | pike_ | dont you trust your employees? |
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| 17:58.13 | pike_ | know/knock |
| 17:58.35 | drwahl | according to dpkg, i can get e17 from http://gefechtsdienst.de/uman/files/. i tried to add that to my sources.list, but it doesnt seem to update correctly. is this repo down? is there another source i can get e17 from? |
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| 17:59.05 | hoxu | !truth about dpkg |
| 17:59.05 | dpkg | dpkg is a liar! |
| 17:59.13 | hoxu | nuh-huh |
| 17:59.20 | tmv | :D |
| 17:59.25 | AbsintheSyringe | penp, is there a place where I can get 2.6.21 kernel for debian? |
| 17:59.43 | tmv | AbsintheSyringe: why do you need exactly 2.6.21 ? |
| 17:59.51 | AbsintheSyringe | tmv, to make my vmware work |
| 17:59.57 | AbsintheSyringe | it doenst wanna work on 2.6.22 |
| 18:01.03 | hoxu | drwahl, what error do you get? |
| 18:01.43 | drwahl | i'm double checking (started this last night) but iir, it cant find the Release, Packages, etc. files |
| 18:01.53 | tmv | AbsintheSyringe: i doubt that the functionality of vmware would be in any way connected to such subtle thing as kernel subversion. |
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| 18:02.11 | drwahl | ya, 404 not found |
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| 18:02.31 | tmv | AbsintheSyringe: http://www.backports.org/debian/pool/main/l/linux-2.6/ |
| 18:02.48 | drwahl | maybe i added it to my sources.list wrong... here is what i put in sources.list "deb http://gefechtsdienst.de/uman/files/ ./" |
| 18:02.49 | tmv | there you go, there's bunch of kernel packages. |
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| 18:03.57 | hoxu | drwahl, does not seem like a debian mirror, so it shouldn't be in sources.list ... |
| 18:03.57 | linkslice | i need to swap my home and var partitions and i'm wondering if i'm going to have an issue with the fstab, the options column just says defaults for both of those so do i just need to switch the device names and remount? |
| 18:04.26 | tmv | linkslice: it will work without problems. |
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| 18:05.20 | drwahl | hoxu: hmm... that is what i thought, but i'm not sure why dpkg told me to use it then, unless it just meant grab the debs and install them manually |
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| 18:06.46 | hoxu | drwahl, maybe, I don't know about this, maybe stew knows if only he were awake, looks like he's the one who made the factoid :p |
| 18:07.24 | drwahl | hoxu: i will continue to search around for a repository for e17. if i find one i will msg stew and let him know |
| 18:07.32 | hoxu | drwahl, or maybe the files have just been removed/moved... |
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| 18:08.35 | drwahl | hoxu: hmm... maybe its just the wrong link. according to a forum i just stumbled across, http://gefechtsdienst.de/uman/E17/repository/index.html is where they are located |
| 18:09.07 | stew | huh? |
| 18:09.24 | hoxu | !factinfo dr17 |
| 18:09.24 | dpkg | dr17 -- last modified at Tue Jan 3 20:10:01 2006 by stew!i=stew@dsl254-118-199.nyc1.dsl.speakeasy.net; it has been requested 71 times, last by hoxu, 9m 36s ago. |
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| 18:10.13 | stew | uhh, i have no idea what i changed in that factoid, though it was probably something along the lines of removing a broken URL. i don't actually know much about DR17 |
| 18:10.32 | hoxu | ok, sorry for waking you up :) |
| 18:10.45 | drwahl | stew: that is fine, but i think the link is wrong again. it should be http://gefechtsdienst.de/uman/E17/repository/index.html |
| 18:10.51 | stew | i used to go to enlightenment.org/news all the time hoping to find that they finally got around to releasing e17, but i gave up on that about 7 years ago |
| 18:12.05 | ip00n | i bet you still go there every day. |
| 18:12.12 | DawnLight | how do i change the ownership of a symlink? or does it not matter |
| 18:12.36 | hoxu | DawnLight, does not matter afaics |
| 18:12.56 | DawnLight | well it doesn't work... |
| 18:13.12 | DawnLight | lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 18 2007-12-07 20:00 incoming -> /mnt/hdd/incoming/ |
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| 18:13.30 | DawnLight | this is where mldonkey is expecting it |
| 18:13.40 | hoxu | drwahl, I added that link to the factoid |
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| 18:13.51 | drwahl | hoxu: thanks! |
| 18:13.59 | drwahl | that should clear up some confusion |
| 18:14.37 | hoxu | DawnLight, where's that symlink in? And how does it "not work"? |
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| 18:15.26 | SamuraiDio | !test |
| 18:15.26 | dpkg | Test Failed. |
| 18:15.34 | SamuraiDio | !compiz |
| 18:15.34 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, compiz is a window and composite manager that uses OpenGL for rendering. It runs on <Xgl> and <AIGLX>. It is now in Debian and can run when AIGLX and composite are enabled for your X server. Read http://wiki.debian.org/Compiz for configuration and usage details. Current state of Compiz (et al) in unstable can be found at http://wiki.debian.org/XStrikeForce/Compiz |
| 18:15.57 | SamuraiDio | !thanks |
| 18:15.58 | dpkg | SamuraiDio: sure thing |
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| 18:16.06 | DawnLight | hoxu: it is in /var/lib/mldonkey/. when the actual directory is there, mldonkey starts ok but when there's a symlink there, pointing somewhere else, mldonkey doesn't start |
| 18:16.19 | DawnLight | i wish i had a debug from mldonkey |
| 18:16.42 | hoxu | DawnLight, did you start it from a terminal and see if it says anything? |
| 18:17.05 | chops | DawnLight: You can also run 'strace mldonkey' to see precisely what it's doing |
| 18:17.07 | hoxu | assuming it's a GUI program? I don't really have a clue :p |
| 18:17.23 | chops | DawnLight: Also check "ls -l /var/lib/mldonkey/" just to make sure the disk is mounted :-) |
| 18:17.39 | DawnLight | hmmm... |
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| 18:18.33 | hoxu | DawnLight, also remember to check a power cord is attached to both the monitor and the box thing |
| 18:18.50 | DawnLight | oh shoot |
| 18:19.16 | klikklak | cups question: I keep having "Parallel port busy; will retry in 30 seconds..." and I've set the permissions on /dev/lp* and /dev/par* |
| 18:19.29 | klikklak | googling doesn't come up with anything meaningful |
| 18:19.38 | chops | hoxu: It's hard to see does where all the cords are... it's dark because the power it out. I'll get a flashlight. |
| 18:20.01 | hoxu | !chops |
| 18:20.02 | dpkg | chops was eaten by a grue. |
| 18:20.41 | chops | Does that work for anyone? |
| 18:20.42 | chops | !hoxu |
| 18:20.42 | dpkg | The diaphorase subunit of the bidirectional hydrogenase in electron transferring protein in cyanobacterial respiration, or represents the flavin-containing diaphorase moiety |
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| 18:22.35 | hoxu | DawnLight, are you twiddling with a mldonkey server or what? |
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| 18:22.51 | DawnLight | hoxu: i am, what did you think |
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| 18:24.04 | hoxu | DawnLight, I probably didn't... anyway, seems weird a symlink does not work, if that's really the case and you really can't change the config to use another dir, the worst case could be to use mount --bind I guess... |
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| 18:24.42 | DawnLight | hoxu: can a program even know if a file is a symlink? |
| 18:24.55 | jkitchen | DawnLight: man stat |
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| 18:25.43 | hoxu | DawnLight, if it does not work I guess it's explicitly checking that the path must not be a symlink... which seems weird |
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| 18:27.06 | hoxu | DawnLight, when you tried changing the directory and it didn't work, did you see anything in the logs? |
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| 18:29.42 | xand | DawnLight: yes it can |
| 18:29.50 | fisxoj | compiz packages from sid don't seem to run at all, they disable metacity, and say they found the texture_from_pixmap extension, and then... nothing |
| 18:31.32 | drwahl | ok, i need some clarification. is compiz/beryl a window manager? and if so, why cant i select it at login (i'm running kdm) |
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| 18:32.23 | hoxu | drwahl, "OpenGL window and compositing manager" :P |
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| 18:37.09 | inigo | I trying a dist-upgrade in a script, (apt-get -yy dist-upgrade) -yy to avoid questions, but i can't avoid the question about "The kernel that you are using, is the same that the kernel to be installed, blavblabla" and the script stops waiting to accept |
| 18:37.10 | Vasistha | wow, so this is disconcerting. Last night I did a large rsync, and copied 2.5 gigs from a partition on one computer to a partition on another. This morning ... the recipient computer, my new one ... the partition is empty. There's no trace of any of the files! And I'm quite certain that they were on there, too; I spent some time looking through files |
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| 18:37.59 | inigo | how can I say to apt, the "yes to all questions" all all all all ... (included the question about the same kernel)? |
| 18:38.38 | pike_ | inigo: have you tried the --seriously switch? |
| 18:38.53 | hoxu | inigo, I'm assuming you are fully aware you are scripting a way to automatically toast your box? |
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| 18:39.11 | inigo | pike_, thanks, i will try |
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| 18:39.21 | pike_ | wait! i was joking |
| 18:39.22 | inigo | hoxu, yes, it is for a late_command on a preseed |
| 18:39.28 | inigo | a xDDDD |
| 18:39.52 | SamuraiDio | what package do i need to play rmvb files on mplayer? |
| 18:40.39 | Vasistha | SamuraiDio: have you asked #mplayer ? |
| 18:41.01 | Asmooh | hi all, my gf haves a problem with debian and amsn, when she clicks on a person x crashes, and gaim also.. widget alocate error, its only on one person, not the rest.. anyone clue? |
| 18:41.28 | SamuraiDio | Vasistha, not yet |
| 18:41.39 | inigo | i think that mm -force-yes is my option |
| 18:41.43 | hoxu | inigo, you can run dpkg-reconfigure debconf to set the priority of messages to show... dunno how to pass critical ones |
| 18:42.07 | inigo | yep, thats another option |
| 18:42.14 | hoxu | inigo, I hope your script is only executed by a human, not automatically... |
| 18:42.33 | inigo | thanks, i will try first --force-yes, that seems to be more strong that --asume-yes |
| 18:42.46 | inigo | not, it is executed automatically |
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| 18:43.01 | inigo | the only human, is at the boot prompt of the installer |
| 18:43.11 | inigo | two hour later, you get a ISPconfig machine |
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| 18:43.16 | inigo | :) |
| 18:43.18 | mbroeker | Asmooh, ask the remote person what charset and protocol / client he uses he/she uses. (from a not affected machine, of course) |
| 18:43.27 | inigo | without more keys that the preseed file to use |
| 18:43.30 | Asmooh | hm okay |
| 18:43.55 | Asmooh | mbroeker, she blocked the person already and deleted but its more for me to know what i could be |
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| 18:44.21 | hoxu | mbroeker, that X crash sounds weird, could it be a bug in font handling of X, display driver etc...? |
| 18:44.49 | Asmooh | is she start gaim x doesnt crash, but gaim crashes |
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| 18:45.17 | mbroeker | Asmooh, maybe you are not using utf8 and the remote does or the remote client is too old and talks the wrong protocol language. |
| 18:45.18 | hoxu | Asmooh, you said "x crashes"? :P |
| 18:45.37 | Asmooh | gtk_widget_size_allocate() attempt to allocate widget with -14 and height 24 |
| 18:45.43 | Asmooh | its the last error |
| 18:45.47 | eternalswd | I'm trying to use joomla on my debian lamp and I've read that I need mod_autologin to get around the admin session expired issue, but I cannot find it in aptitude. Anyone know how I can get that installed? |
| 18:45.51 | tralala | hoxu, I think he meant "person x" |
| 18:45.55 | Asmooh | no |
| 18:45.59 | Asmooh | X crashes (gnome) |
| 18:46.09 | Asmooh | ctrl alt backspace and restart x works |
| 18:46.15 | Asmooh | when using gaim only gaim crashes |
| 18:46.20 | Asmooh | with amsn X crashes |
| 18:46.25 | abrotman | !find mod_autologin etch |
| 18:46.47 | hoxu | tralala, think... good point, reading english somehow reminds me of reading perl, mhm... |
| 18:46.48 | Vasistha | what should one do to investigate disappearing data? |
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| 18:47.01 | tralala | hoxu, hehe :) |
| 18:47.07 | hoxu | tralala, except perl is actually parseable by a machine... |
| 18:47.25 | rahul | hoxu: that's debatable |
| 18:48.08 | rahul | but I guess you can treat it like MS... bugs become essential features because there's nothing else to tell people how anything works |
| 18:48.28 | mbroeker | Asmooh, the only way to crash my instant messenger is to remove the webcam driver from /lib/modules/ and try to access the device with kopete. |
| 18:48.39 | hoxu | maybe |
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| 18:48.51 | Asmooh | hmm strange, but thansk :) im going to the living room :) |
| 18:49.15 | hoxu | Vasistha, you need a firm chair, a dark room, some rope, spotlight, and very understanding family members (for the aftermath) |
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| 18:49.49 | Vasistha | hoxu: well, that's more an answer to the question of what one should *have* as opposed to what one should *do* :D |
| 18:50.24 | tralala | Vasistha, you step on the chair, put the rope around your neck... fill it the rest |
| 18:50.29 | tralala | fill in |
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| 18:51.03 | hoxu | !hurt tralala |
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| 18:52.26 | inigo | I have another issue with "preseeding" the installer. When there are mora than one eth, always stop for asking... |
| 18:52.32 | inigo | I have try all options I can see on the installation manual and google |
| 18:53.06 | inigo | someone here? or there is a chanel on any server to talk about debian preseed ? |
| 18:53.25 | Vasistha | I see nothing special about hda8 in the logs... just "EXT3 FS on hda8, internal journal" ... a few like that |
| 18:53.40 | chops | Vasistha: How exactly is your data disappearing? |
| 18:53.51 | tralala | after rm -rf / |
| 18:53.58 | inigo | one option is suposed to be for selecting the eth when there are more than one, but doesn't work for me |
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| 18:54.08 | mikefoo1 | what utility will tell me the chipset I have? |
| 18:54.17 | inigo | mikefoo, lshw |
| 18:54.19 | tralala | mikefoo1, lspci, lshw |
| 18:54.20 | Vasistha | chops: I copied yesterday from the old computer to the new computer, via rsync. I played around with it a bit on the new computer. Now the partition /AV/ is completely empty :) |
| 18:54.45 | chops | Vasistha: Was it nonempty yesterday? |
| 18:55.04 | chops | Vasistha: Was is a separate filesystem on the old computer? Is it one on the new computer? |
| 18:55.10 | Vasistha | chops: everything else seems to be intact -- data on other partitions. Yeah, yesterday I was playing around with it; I downloaded a few images and were looking at them on the new box |
| 18:55.26 | tralala | Vasistha, rsync --delete? |
| 18:55.29 | Vasistha | chops: yeah, I have a partition for /AV on each computer, for large media files |
| 18:55.48 | Vasistha | tralala: yeah, I deleted it intentionally, that's why I'm here asking where it might have gone :D hehe |
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| 18:55.59 | chops | Vasistha: Is it mounted now on the new computer? Was it when you copied over? |
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| 18:56.20 | Vasistha | you might be onto something |
| 18:56.21 | justus | is there a way to get linux (debian lenny/testing) precache often used apps like iceweasel, gimp etc.? |
| 18:56.39 | Vasistha | chops: thanks ! It wasn't mounted when I copied XD |
| 18:56.45 | chops | Vasistha: np |
| 18:57.04 | Vasistha | here I started running badblocks scans..... |
| 18:57.15 | chops | justus: In general you probably want to just let the kernel worry about that sort of thing. |
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| 19:00.21 | JohnK` | lo. |
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| 19:02.07 | TrueDD | Hi all |
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| 19:03.00 | JohnK` | i'm having an issue with xorg. i have intel i810 video, and when i set my resolution to 1280x960, my mouse pointer acts all weird, i.e. it will only move halfway across the screen, and i can wrap it around if i move it off the left edge. also, nothing works when i click it unless i move the pointer about an inch to the left of them. |
| 19:03.20 | chops | JohnK`: What driver version? |
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| 19:03.25 | JohnK` | chops: i'm not sure, how do i check? |
| 19:03.32 | grendal_prime | this is werid sometimes i get this to work..not this time though..im ssh into a box that is a gateway then i ssh to anouther box on the other side..im trying to run a x app on the last machine...says it cant connect to x? |
| 19:03.36 | chops | JohnK`: dpkg -l xserver-xorg-video-i810 |
| 19:03.44 | grendal_prime | i have x11 forwarding on on both boxes... |
| 19:04.17 | GhostlyDeath_ | How can I see how much virtual memory I have available? |
| 19:04.24 | JohnK` | Desired=Unknown/Install/Remove/Purge/Hold |
| 19:04.24 | JohnK` | | Status=Not/Installed/Config-files/Unpacked/Failed-config/Half-installed |
| 19:04.24 | JohnK` | |/ Err?=(none)/Hold/Reinst-required/X=both-problems (Status,Err: uppercase=bad) |
| 19:04.24 | JohnK` | ||/ Name Version Description |
| 19:04.24 | JohnK` | +++-===================-===================-====================================================== |
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| 19:04.35 | JohnK` | o.O |
| 19:04.36 | tralala | JohnK`, /msg dpkg paste |
| 19:04.42 | Vasistha | GhostlyDeath_: I'd recommend installing htop, it's nice |
| 19:04.55 | GhostlyDeath_ | Vasistha: # or $? |
| 19:05.00 | Vasistha | GhostlyDeath_: for a more minimal approach, cat /proc/swaps |
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| 19:05.18 | JZA | hi I got a question regarding a packages I want to install |
| 19:05.28 | JZA | I want to upgrade ncurses-bin however there seems to be a problem with the package |
| 19:05.33 | Vasistha | GhostlyDeath_: htop is in the repos ... you know how to "install", right? :) |
| 19:05.40 | JZA | during dpkg -i I get the following error |
| 19:05.54 | chops | JZA: Why are you using dpkg directly instead of aptitude or apt-get? |
| 19:05.57 | JZA | Preparing to replace ncurses-bin 5.5-1mh2 (using ncurses-bin_5.5-1mh2_armel.deb) ... |
| 19:05.58 | JZA | mv: cannot rename '/usr/bin/clear': No such file or directory |
| 19:06.12 | GhostlyDeath_ | Vasistha: yeah I think so |
| 19:06.13 | JZA | chops: because is the same problem |
| 19:06.26 | JZA | chops: apt-gets calls dpkg and it launches the same error |
| 19:06.46 | chops | JZA: Isn't that the same version? |
| 19:06.58 | valdyn | JZA: "touch /usr/bin/clear" and try again |
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| 19:07.11 | GhostlyDeath_ | Vasistha: Is htop GUI? |
| 19:07.15 | JZA | valdyn: so clear is not a command? |
| 19:07.23 | JohnK` | http://paste.debian.net/44354 |
| 19:07.35 | chops | JZA: Also, you should check the BTS -- particularly for a seldom-used architecture like armel, it's very good for maintainers to hear about problems like that |
| 19:07.43 | Vasistha | GhostlyDeath_: well, it's a terminal app, but it looks really nice, and is full-featured and intuitive to use |
| 19:07.47 | chops | JZA: I would recommend filing a bug if there isn't one |
| 19:07.56 | h3sp4wn | armel is only sid atm right ? |
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| 19:08.42 | chops | JohnK`: Ah, so you're using the newer intel driver. Welcome to the land of broken drivers. You can file a bug in xorg's bugzilla; that driver's been broken for me since July and various intel people keep fiddling with the bugs I file without ever actually doing anything to fix them. |
| 19:09.02 | JohnK` | any way for me to install the old one? |
| 19:09.06 | jetscreamer | so what to use for 945 |
| 19:09.10 | Vasistha | chops: doh. I just copied the files again, from my root partition to /AV ... and /AV was still not mounted. *hangs head in shame and laughs* |
| 19:09.11 | jetscreamer | btw |
| 19:09.16 | jetscreamer | i810? |
| 19:09.25 | JohnK` | jetscreamer: yeah. |
| 19:09.27 | chops | JohnK`: You may be able to downgrade to a pre-2.0 driver (in the xserver-xorg-video-i810 package), but you might have to downgrade your X server as well. I think the old i810 driver doesn't work with current X servers. |
| 19:09.44 | chops | JohnK`: The current i810 driver is just a dummy package to install the intel driver. |
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| 19:10.06 | JohnK` | erm, okay, how do i downgrade X? >.> |
| 19:10.26 | GhostlyDeath_ | Vasistha: hey ncurses? |
| 19:10.33 | GhostlyDeath_ | wait no |
| 19:10.37 | JZA | chops: this is the output http://pastebin.mozilla.org/258039 |
| 19:10.41 | GhostlyDeath_ | err nvm |
| 19:10.45 | Vasistha | GhostlyDeath_: I *think* htop is ncurses, but I'm not certain |
| 19:10.59 | JZA | chops: I will fill out a bug if I can find what is line 6 trying to tell me. |
| 19:11.19 | chops | JohnK`: It's hard. Sorry. You can download packages by hand from snapshot.debian.net, and use dpkg -i on them and then track down dependencies by hand and add them to the list of packages to downgrade... it's a little hard, and I don't know of an easier way. Sorry. |
| 19:11.22 | GhostlyDeath_ | Vasistha: I think it is, resizing the terminal |
| 19:11.34 | GhostlyDeath_ | net split! |
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| 19:11.47 | JohnK` | hrm.. i think i'll just use 1152x864 for now. |
| 19:12.00 | jetscreamer | oh |
| 19:12.05 | chops | JohnK`: I would also recommend filing a bug in upstream's bugzilla, although like I said they've not been doing much about mine |
| 19:12.11 | jetscreamer | it wil do 1280x1024, but defaults to 1152 for some reason |
| 19:12.19 | jetscreamer | for me |
| 19:12.21 | GhostlyDeath_ | 3 people are on the other sideof the split |
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| 19:12.23 | chops | JohnK`: That works too :-/ |
| 19:12.26 | GhostlyDeath_ | Vasistha: welcome back |
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| 19:12.30 | JohnK` | or |
| 19:12.32 | JohnK` | i forget |
| 19:12.36 | JohnK` | how do i lower my font DPI? |
| 19:12.39 | JohnK` | because i'll just use 1280x1024 |
| 19:12.44 | jetscreamer | you could uninstall xorg and install testings maybe |
| 19:12.47 | chops | jetscreamer: Mine starts in the wrong resolution, too. |
| 19:12.48 | GhostlyDeath_ | Vasistha: Did you get my last message? |
| 19:12.49 | Vasistha | GhostlyDeath_: konvi hasn't really been crashing very much lately, but ... just now it did! |
| 19:12.53 | chops | jetscreamer: testing's got the new broken driver too :-( |
| 19:12.56 | jetscreamer | o |
| 19:12.57 | JohnK` | the only reason i don't like it is because it makes my font DPI higher |
| 19:13.01 | JohnK` | and i'm using testing. |
| 19:13.02 | Vasistha | GhostlyDeath_: only that you're resizing the term |
| 19:13.04 | chops | JohnK`: xrandr --dpi |
| 19:13.19 | GhostlyDeath_ | Vasistha: You split from the network |
| 19:13.44 | GhostlyDeath_ | Vasistha: You would've been one of 3 people in this chanel |
| 19:14.03 | chops | JZA: I would just file that as a bug. Even if it turns out to be something easily fixable, it's worth the maintainer hearing about (on the off chance that it's something arm-specific that won't get discovered for months if you don't file it) |
| 19:14.07 | vonnis | can someone help me, i dont understand this discription. http://pastebin.com/m2e234672 |
| 19:14.11 | Vasistha | GhostlyDeath_: call it what you want ... I call it "konvi crashed" ;) maybe the split triggered the crash |
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| 19:15.21 | Authority | any Debian/SPARC users here? |
| 19:15.42 | chops | Authority: I used to be one, long ago. Anything else you wanted to know? |
| 19:15.49 | chops | !anyone |
| 19:15.50 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone uses <someprogram>. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use <someprogram>?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls> |
| 19:16.17 | Authority | chops: sorry. anyways, ever use the Solaris or SunOS emulation? |
| 19:16.24 | chops | Authority: Nope |
| 19:16.26 | johndoevodka | does emacs support sub-pixel smoothing or something like that? |
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| 19:17.16 | mrrcp | is there a way to dial into my server? like a program of some sort |
| 19:17.26 | mrrcp | to run on muh server? |
| 19:17.27 | chops | mrrcp: ssh |
| 19:17.39 | mrrcp | eh? |
| 19:17.55 | pike_ | mrrcp: gui or terminal? |
| 19:18.11 | chops | mrrcp: Yes, there is such a program. It is called ssh. Documentation concerning it may be found over http on many web sites. I wish you the best of luck with your server and with ssh. Good day, sir! |
| 19:18.31 | mrrcp | heh.. i mean sorta make my server my OWN isp when im out on the road |
| 19:18.37 | pobega | mrrcp: What do you mean by 'dial'? |
| 19:18.53 | Vasistha | mrrcp: you mean with an old fashioned telephone modem? |
| 19:18.58 | mrrcp | yea |
| 19:19.00 | mrrcp | jw |
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| 19:19.31 | Vasistha | mrrcp: ...you want your home computer to pickup the line and act as a gateway for your surfing? |
| 19:19.36 | mrrcp | yea |
| 19:19.44 | mrrcp | sorta |
| 19:19.55 | mrrcp | last resort type of deal |
| 19:20.04 | Vasistha | there ought to be, and it ought not be all that complicated ... dunno who in here uses modems anymore, though! :D |
| 19:20.11 | chops | mrrcp: mgetty plus pppd can do it, I believe. It's a bit difficult to set up, though. |
| 19:20.18 | mrrcp | i travel and some hotels i stay in have no wireless |
| 19:20.28 | vonnis | can someone help me, i dont understand this discription. http://pastebin.com/m2e234672 |
| 19:20.32 | mrrcp | well i have openvpn |
| 19:20.34 | Vasistha | and no wired internet, either, I gather! |
| 19:20.35 | mrrcp | setup |
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| 19:20.49 | mrrcp | correct Vasistha |
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| 19:20.54 | Vasistha | mrrcp: what kind of home internet service do you have? Because there's a chance they might provide dialup access for while you're traveling |
| 19:21.07 | mrrcp | :P they do |
| 19:21.11 | Vasistha | mrrcp: I was recently very surprised to find out that time warner cable provides it |
| 19:21.18 | mrrcp | i just wanna know if i can directly dial into my server or not |
| 19:21.33 | Vasistha | vonnis: where'd you find it? |
| 19:21.35 | chops | (2:20:09 PM) chops: mrrcp: mgetty plus pppd can do it, I believe. It's a bit difficult to set up, though. |
| 19:21.43 | mrrcp | mgetty |
| 19:22.30 | marinosi | It seems dpkg is completely unusable(broken ) in a system I have .I have installed a package and after that I cannot remove it or install other packages or nothing |
| 19:22.34 | marinosi | http://rafb.net/p/pn2b7l24.html |
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| 19:22.44 | vonnis | in the readme from mozilla |
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| 19:22.52 | marinosi | here is the error I get..apt-get -f or -m install does not work |
| 19:23.04 | GhostlyDeath_ | Vasistha: Guess I could get virtual memory by adding physical with swap |
| 19:23.15 | chops | marinosi: Can you attempt to reinstall the broken package and pastebin the entire output of that operation? |
| 19:23.22 | Vasistha | GhostlyDeath_: that's pretty much the definition of virtual memory ;) |
| 19:23.23 | vonnis | it was in the tar.gz file |
| 19:24.16 | mrrcp | ehh cool i just wanted to know if there was a way... thanks chops |
| 19:24.32 | Vasistha | marinosi: what's the output of: dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1 |
| 19:24.38 | chops | mrrcp: np |
| 19:25.03 | marinosi | chops: I have not the machine up yet but dpkg does not give nothing |
| 19:25.11 | marinosi | it is completely unusable |
| 19:25.19 | marinosi | neither dpkg -l works |
| 19:25.37 | marinosi | Is it a broken package manager? |
| 19:25.46 | chops | marinosi: No, it isn't. |
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| 19:26.36 | Malawar | ok, my ssh appears to have broken itself |
| 19:26.43 | DawnLight | i'm having trouble changing mldonkey's incoming directory. it is incoming/files (in /var/lib/mldonkey/) by default so i've 'cp -a /var/lib/mldonkey/incoming/ /mnt/hdd/' and changed mldonkey's configuration to point to /mnt/hdd/incoming/files/ but now it's init script won't start it. when i change the directory back it can start. doing 'ln -s /mnt/hdd/incoming/' also prevents mldonkey from starting. what can i do? |
| 19:26.43 | mrrcp | itself |
| 19:26.44 | b0ha | hello how do i establish remote control connection |
| 19:26.44 | mrrcp | ? |
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| 19:27.15 | b0ha | i would like to connect from my laptop (debian) to my desktop computer at home (ubuntu) |
| 19:27.24 | hoxu | DawnLight, what did the logs say? |
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| 19:27.31 | marinosi | chops: If dpkg is unusable , what could I do to "restore" it? |
| 19:27.32 | mrrcp | b0ha : ssh |
| 19:27.33 | hoxu | b0ha, ssh? |
| 19:27.34 | chops | b0ha: ssh is a popular option |
| 19:27.42 | pike_ | b0ha: youll need to be running ssh server on ub box |
| 19:27.55 | chops | marinosi: You could answer the questions I and Vasistha asked you, to give us more information so we can see what might be wrong |
| 19:27.58 | Malawar | when I login to my box with ssh it dumps the motd then disconnects, auth.log shows this: http://pastebin.ca/808607 |
| 19:28.00 | b0ha | hmm is there any tutorial on this |
| 19:28.27 | b0ha | i will try to google it out |
| 19:28.32 | mrrcp | :P |
| 19:28.34 | b0ha | tnx for help guys |
| 19:28.37 | Vasistha | well, he did say dpkg -l didn't work! :P maybe we'll have to rely upon his honesty... |
| 19:28.43 | Vasistha | marinosi: what version of debian are you using? |
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| 19:29.12 | Malawar | purging openssh-server and reinstalling it fixed it :9 |
| 19:29.25 | mrrcp | heh |
| 19:29.25 | marinosi | chops: I understand - you are right.The problem is that I don't have physical access to the machine right now , and I was wondering if that was a common error or you could suspect the reason.I know that if I have not tha machine up right now , I cannot provide a lot of feedback.. |
| 19:29.25 | Malawar | " unable to determine TTY name, got /dev/pts/1073" |
| 19:29.30 | marinosi | Vasistha: Lenny |
| 19:29.34 | Malawar | 1073 seems pretty high.. |
| 19:29.36 | queuetue | Hi. With regard to architectures, is a dual-core Athlon 64 an amd64, or is that something else? |
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| 19:30.02 | Vasistha | queuetue: you've got it |
| 19:30.12 | chops | marinosi: dpkg already told you all we can tell you without more information -- it wants the broken package to be reinstalled before it'll proceed with operations on it |
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| 19:30.56 | queuetue | Vasistha, So, since I'm currently running linux-image-2.6-486, installing linux-image-2.6-amd64 would be a good idea? |
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| 19:31.16 | mrrcp | queuetue sure |
| 19:31.22 | Vasistha | queuetue: I think so, yeah. |
| 19:31.39 | GhostlyDeath_ | queuetue: It might break |
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| 19:31.44 | queuetue | Oktane, packages won't break because of 32/64 bit incompatabilities? (Sorry to sound so clueless) |
| 19:31.57 | queuetue | Oktane, Sorry, that wasn't to you - misplaced tab. |
| 19:32.28 | queuetue | GhostlyDeath_, What might break? |
| 19:32.38 | Vasistha | queuetue: ah, yes, 64 bit issues ... there are a few things, in particular some mplayer codecs and some proprietary plugins |
| 19:32.56 | socialist | flash and java plugins can be tricky |
| 19:33.04 | queuetue | This is a headless internal server, so codecs are not an issue. |
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| 19:33.14 | GhostlyDeath_ | queuetue: depends |
| 19:33.24 | BobSapp | Is there some way to install debian via ssh? |
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| 19:33.38 | queuetue | I meant the currently installed packages - they don't all need to be moved to another arch? |
| 19:33.50 | queuetue | BobSapp, Yes, de debootstrap |
| 19:33.59 | stew | BobSapp: http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/NetworkConsole |
| 19:34.01 | BobSapp | thanks ill google that |
| 19:34.04 | BobSapp | ah even better |
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| 19:34.27 | BobSapp | Thankyou very much |
| 19:34.44 | BobSapp | I dont have a keyb/mouse/screen to spare but I have plenty of network cable |
| 19:35.02 | mrrcp | heh |
| 19:35.05 | Vasistha | BobSapp: hehe, we should trade |
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| 19:35.26 | queuetue | BobSapp, Ok, debootrap is useful for turing a box you can already reach via ssh *into* a debian box. |
| 19:35.54 | OXIj | net suddenly dead |
| 19:36.06 | OXIj | so hom to enter NO-BREAK SPACE and other unicode symbols in X.org? is it possible without adding new layout. lv3 or something? |
| 19:36.14 | Vasistha | mrrcp: I got into the habit of backing up windoze onto an ext2 partition with tar, so refreshing it every few months is easy |
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| 19:36.58 | mrrcp | heh this isnt my pc im fixing it for someone |
| 19:37.10 | queuetue | This new etch install has nothing in /lib/modules ... that's unusual, isn't it? |
| 19:37.29 | chops | queuetue: Do you have a kernel image installed? |
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| 19:38.36 | queuetue | chops, surprisingly, no. It must still be booting off of the kernel in /boot from another install. Wow. |
| 19:38.40 | mrrcp | Question.. My company monitor everything on the network.. But if i connect to my server via openvpn and ssh u think they can see what im doing besides connecting to the ip? |
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| 19:38.46 | Alarm | hello. how do i keep back a package to be installed from a dist upgrade ? |
| 19:38.51 | queuetue | I can't believe it's as functional as it is. |
| 19:38.53 | chops | queuetue: Have you completed the installation? |
| 19:38.57 | DawnLight | how do i become another user when i am root? |
| 19:39.01 | mrrcp | like vpn and ssh is encrypted correct? |
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| 19:39.20 | chops | DawnLight: su |
| 19:39.20 | hoxu | DawnLight, su |
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| 19:39.24 | queuetue | chops, I did it through debootstrap, so technically, yes, but we're talking about different kinds of installations. ;) |
| 19:39.41 | hoxu | Alarm, hold? |
| 19:39.45 | DawnLight | chops: hoxu: i don't get it |
| 19:39.55 | mrrcp | chops or Vasistha any idea ? |
| 19:39.57 | BobSapp | mrrcp: chances are they will not be happy you doing something they cant see |
| 19:40.00 | Alarm | yes for example dist-upgrade wants to install a.de b.deb c.deb |
| 19:40.01 | DawnLight | just 'su mldonkey' ? |
| 19:40.06 | Alarm | how can i prevent a.deb to be installe |
| 19:40.17 | i-nc | mrrcp wajig [un]hold packagename |
| 19:40.20 | hoxu | DawnLight, try it, and also learn to use man when you have spare time :P |
| 19:40.33 | BobSapp | mrrcp: for example, you could be sending company information down the line to that other box |
| 19:40.35 | DawnLight | i did. i do. i have. i... |
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| 19:40.48 | abrotman | Alarm: just do a regaulr upgrade |
| 19:40.59 | hoxu | DawnLight, "su [options] [LOGIN]" |
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| 19:41.07 | mrrcp | BobSapp but can they see is what i wanna know? |
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| 19:41.16 | Alarm | if i do a normal upgrade it doesnt upgrade k3b for example and some xine packages |
| 19:41.22 | Vasistha | mrrcp: oh ... I believe that is correct, they would not be able to know what you are sending over ssh -- unless they are somehow monitoring your computer at the company, to see what it's doing before ssh |
| 19:41.36 | mrrcp | nope :P |
| 19:41.38 | mrrcp | mwhahah |
| 19:41.52 | mrrcp | I have a laptop |
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| 19:42.06 | BobSapp | ok mrrcp just sounded helle suspect |
| 19:42.09 | BobSapp | *hella |
| 19:42.17 | Vasistha | mrrcp: that's pretty much the whole point of ssh -- to have a secure connection over an untrusted network |
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| 19:42.23 | expose | hi |
| 19:42.29 | mrrcp | HEHE! |
| 19:42.34 | mrrcp | o yea its suspect |
| 19:42.41 | mrrcp | now i can connect via IRC :P |
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| 19:42.45 | BobSapp | if they are monitoring his screen via rdp or something then its moot point |
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| 19:43.00 | BobSapp | mrrcp: personally I wouldnt take the risk |
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| 19:43.12 | Vasistha | he probably just wants pron |
| 19:43.23 | mrrcp | hah.. they have no access to my laptop other than LOCAL .. or watching what im doing VIA network monitor.. they cant remote |
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| 19:43.37 | Vasistha | I read somewhere that a large percentage of tor use is for pron :P |
| 19:43.40 | eneon | BobSapp: screen may be protected by password |
| 19:43.42 | BobSapp | to the company you could either be chatting on irc or forwarding data from terrorists |
| 19:43.57 | mrrcp | lol |
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| 19:44.28 | eneon | mrrcp: you could set password on screen session |
| 19:44.42 | BobSapp | risking your job just so you can irc? |
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| 19:44.58 | mrrcp | its a grocery chain and plus i dont work there i work for a brokage comp.. i vpn all the time to my comapnys stuff as does everyone else to their comapnys |
| 19:45.11 | mrrcp | i just dont want them to see what im doing if i vpn to my box at home |
| 19:45.14 | BobSapp | why not get a pda with unlimited data plan? |
| 19:45.18 | mrrcp | making sure i have it setup right :P |
| 19:45.55 | BobSapp | better than no job at all if you ask me |
| 19:45.59 | mrrcp | true |
| 19:46.05 | Vasistha | mrrcp: that sounds like one of those industries where most executives simply do not understand the IT life, and how it differs from manual labor |
| 19:46.23 | mrrcp | heh |
| 19:46.37 | BobSapp | brokage comp? whats that anyway? something to do with financial services? |
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| 19:46.58 | mrrcp | Retail Merch and sales |
| 19:47.25 | BobSapp | you lost me, it sounds for smart ppl |
| 19:47.26 | hoxu | if your employer cries blood for a reasonable amount of personal e-mail/irc/im/whatever, you may be better off elsewhere anyway |
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| 19:47.37 | mrrcp | we rep for like scjohnson and delmonte foods |
| 19:47.50 | mrrcp | and such |
| 19:47.56 | BobSapp | Awesome |
| 19:48.01 | hoxu | mrrcp, back to the topic though, you could additionally use 80 or 443 for ssh to make it seem like a http(s) connection if they aren't checking the actual data |
| 19:48.06 | BobSapp | the man from delmonte always say YES |
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| 19:48.20 | mrrcp | haha! |
| 19:48.27 | mrrcp | good point hoxu |
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| 19:49.13 | mrrcp | if they tryed to go to my ip on that port right now i might be screwed .,.. I have a picture of a squirrel with hugh nuts saying HELLLOOO LADIES on there |
| 19:49.23 | DawnLight | "su -c 'mlnet --stdout --stderr' mldonkey" asks me for a password. why? |
| 19:49.24 | mrrcp | huge |
| 19:49.30 | BobSapp | nice touch. im assuming the handshaking packets for https and ssh differ somewhat |
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| 19:49.42 | BobSapp | mrrcp: link please? |
| 19:49.45 | mrrcp | haha |
| 19:49.49 | \amethyst | DawnLight: because you're not root? |
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| 19:50.00 | DawnLight | ah oops! |
| 19:50.12 | mrrcp | http://affiliates.allposters.com/link/redirect.asp?item=417074&AID=821065366&PSTID=1<ID=2 |
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| 19:50.18 | mrrcp | thats the picture i have |
| 19:50.36 | mrrcp | im sorry |
| 19:50.37 | mrrcp | http://www.allposters.com/-sp/Helllooo-Ladies-Posters_i1037388_.htm |
| 19:50.47 | van | is there any program tat work like WPE but under debian? |
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| 19:51.50 | jeremy_c | I did apt-get install aoeui and get: aoeui: Depends: libc6 (>= 2.6.1-1) but 2.3.6.ds1-13etch2 is to be installed ... why would apt not just upgrade that for me? |
| 19:51.57 | \amethyst | van: for inspection, or editing the stream too? |
| 19:52.05 | van | editing |
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| 19:52.25 | Vasistha | jeremy_c: are you mixing repos? |
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| 19:52.54 | van | there many tat inspect but cannot find anything for editing |
| 19:53.00 | Vasistha | jeremy_c: n/m, I know the answer to the question: it is "yes". What are you trying to do? |
| 19:53.38 | jeremy_c | Vasistha, I followed a tutorial on how to use pinning so that I could install java6 from sun. |
| 19:53.45 | drwahl | i am trying to make a backup copy of my DVD, but when i do "dd if=/dev/dvd of=disc.iso" i only get 6MB. is this because of encryption, and if so, is there a way to back this dvd up? |
| 19:53.52 | Vasistha | !java |
| 19:53.53 | dpkg | Java is Sun's cross-platform OO language. Sun partially released java as GPL on Nov 13, 2006 (rest expected to be released in 2007). There are other implentations available in Debian such as 'free-java-sdk' for use with applications like Eclipse. The Sun JRE/JDK is in non-free. Also, ask about <install java>, <non-free>. |
| 19:53.58 | \amethyst | van: ettercap claims to be able to do it |
| 19:54.15 | Vasistha | jeremy_c: /msg dpkg install java |
| 19:54.26 | jeremy_c | Vasistha, I have java installed already and working. |
| 19:54.43 | Vasistha | jeremy_c: you just want to upgrade from ... what is it, java5 to jave6? |
| 19:54.48 | jeremy_c | Vasistha, but I guess the unstable addition to my apt sources is causing me problems? |
| 19:54.52 | \amethyst | van: I don't know much about ettercap or WPE, though, so I don't know how it compares |
| 19:54.56 | Vasistha | jeremy_c: definitely. |
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| 19:55.50 | jeremy_c | hm, now that java6 is installed, can I remove the unstable source or will that cause more problems? |
| 19:56.01 | Vasistha | jeremy_c: yeah, you can remove it. |
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| 19:56.19 | Vasistha | jeremy_c: hopefully you did not upgrade too many packages... |
| 19:56.23 | van | amethyst: well wpe can filter packet and change. for example all packet start with 00 00 00 can be edited autmatcally by wpe |
| 19:56.41 | jeremy_c | Vasistha, hm, I'm not really sure. I hope I didn't really goof things up. I thought I was doing it the right way. |
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| 19:57.07 | stew | jeremy_c: if you want to use packages from testing/unstable on stable, use a backport: /msg dpkg backports |
| 19:57.20 | Vasistha | jeremy_c: /var/log/dpkg.log can show you what you've done |
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| 19:57.59 | jeremy_c | but that's not saying if it came from unstable, stable, or what. |
| 19:58.04 | jeremy_c | stew, I've added that to my notes. |
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| 19:58.31 | Vasistha | jeremy_c: well, it can tell you what packages were installed at the same time, and you can check those out. |
| 19:59.01 | jeremy_c | Vasistha, yeah, that's true. Thanks. |
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| 19:59.28 | mrrcp | Vasistha : and OpenVPN works just like SSH with encryption no? |
| 20:00.33 | Vasistha | mrrcp: I don't really know very much about vpn; I've never used it. ssh is always encrypted, otherwise it's not ssh. I *believe* vpn is also always encrypted, but I am not 100% sure about that |
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| 20:03.10 | cast | openvpn can be operate in a non-encrypted mode IIRC, where it maintains authenticity and integrity but not confidentiality |
| 20:03.28 | mrrcp | hrm |
| 20:04.26 | mrrcp | cast u use openvpn |
| 20:04.26 | mrrcp | ? |
| 20:04.34 | cast | at times |
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| 20:05.20 | mrrcp | what do i need to look for in the config to make sure its encrypted |
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| 20:06.06 | cast | pastebin your config perhaps |
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| 20:06.34 | mrrcp | http://pastebin.com/m7c7f744f |
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| 20:07.31 | dacs | hey guys i am sorry to ask this but how do you get your nick name unaffiliated i forgot! |
| 20:08.25 | hoxu | dacs, #freenode |
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| 20:08.47 | mrrcp | what ya think cast |
| 20:08.47 | stew | dacs: follow all the steps in http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#nicksetup then ask in #freenode |
| 20:09.10 | vonnis | can someone help me, i dont understand this discription. http://pastebin.com/m2e234672 |
| 20:09.10 | Orion_X11 | How do I mount a usb stick? mount /dev/usbdev1.1_ep81 usb -t vfat (???!!!) |
| 20:09.22 | dacs | stew: thank you |
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| 20:10.16 | cast | mrrcp: i think it'll be all encrypted, but am looking for how to set it to run without encrypting everything |
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| 20:10.54 | drwahl | i am trying to copy a dvd that i own to make a virtual backup, but it seems to be encrypted. dd and dvdbackup both seem to fail. any other suggestions? |
| 20:10.58 | mbroeker | Orion_X11, mount -t vfat /dev/sda1 /media/usb |
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| 20:11.41 | Vasistha | drwahl: vobcopy? |
| 20:11.59 | drwahl | Vasistha: i will give that a try |
| 20:12.40 | Vasistha | Orion_X11: I usually mount /dev/sda1 or /dev/sdb1 or whatever it is |
| 20:14.02 | Orion_X11 | mbroeker: Vasistha: I don't have sda1 in /dev, but I do sda :-) |
| 20:14.16 | cast | drwahl: mencoder dvd://N -o oac -ovc copy -o ripped.avi |
| 20:14.36 | Vasistha | Orion_X11: fdisk -l /dev/sda |
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| 20:15.59 | drwahl | Vasistha: cast i'm not really looking for avi. i want to make an iso |
| 20:16.00 | vonnis | hey guys will you please sign this petition its for flash on amd64 http://www.petitiononline.com/lin64swf/petition.html |
| 20:16.25 | drwahl | Vasistha: err, sorry, that was meant for cast |
| 20:16.28 | \amethyst | sign a partition asking for proprietary software to be ported? |
| 20:16.31 | \amethyst | bah |
| 20:16.38 | \amethyst | s/part/pet/ |
| 20:16.43 | zonemath | hey guys ... can't shutdown my debian ! I'm getting this error message while I'm typing "shutdown -h now" shutdown: timeout opening/writing control channel /dev/initctl |
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| 20:16.51 | zonemath | I tried init 0 and isn't working |
| 20:17.04 | vonnis | i need my youtube on linux |
| 20:17.05 | Orion_X11 | Vasistha: How to format the usb stick then? |
| 20:17.32 | Orion_X11 | Vasistha: Because it says that I have the wrong file system |
| 20:17.37 | zonemath | can someone help me plz? |
| 20:17.39 | stew | vonnis: aptitude install gnash |
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| 20:17.50 | drwahl | cast: i am not looking for an avi. i was hoping to get an iso of the dvd |
| 20:17.52 | vonnis | whats that? |
| 20:18.07 | BobSapp | puppy linux plays youtube videos at full speed (it runs in 100% ram) |
| 20:18.10 | stew | vonnis: a free flash player that works on amd64 and youtube |
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| 20:18.25 | Vasistha | Orion_X11: ...uh ... the "wrong" filesystem, huh? First, you really ought to make sure that you are looking at the right device. sda may or may not be your usb stick. Why don't you pastebin the output of fdisk -l /dev/sda |
| 20:18.37 | stew | vonnis: and you'll want either mozilla-plugin-gnash or konqueror-plugin-gnash probably |
| 20:18.50 | zonemath | plz? |
| 20:19.12 | stew | zonemath: are you running it as root? |
| 20:19.23 | zonemath | stew: yop |
| 20:19.30 | stew | zonemath: what does "ls -l /dev/initctl" return? |
| 20:20.08 | zonemath | prw------- 1 root root 0 2001-12-31 19:38 /dev/initctl |
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| 20:20.22 | feitingen | permissions and owner stuff for /dev/initctl |
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| 20:20.26 | zonemath | woops |
| 20:21.05 | zonemath | my permissions looks like good |
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| 20:22.13 | Orion_X11 | Vasistha: Could you access #flood now? I will send the info |
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| 20:22.25 | Vasistha | Orion_X11: no. just use a pastebin. |
| 20:22.27 | Vasistha | !paste |
| 20:22.27 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 3 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://channels.debian.net/paste/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. |
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| 20:22.58 | zonemath | stew: any idea? |
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| 20:23.44 | crayt3e | i keep getting this when i try to change the password of normal users: passwd: Authentication service cannot retrieve authentication info. anybody has any idea? |
| 20:24.01 | socialist | can anyone describe exactly what apps would do an nss "shadow" lookup, and when, and how that interacts with PAM? |
| 20:24.23 | Orion_X11 | Vasistha: http://paste.debian.net/44361 |
| 20:24.30 | socialist | i.e. if I am using pam_krb5, why would it matter if I have a shadow entry in nsswitch.conf at all |
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| 20:25.15 | cast | drwahl: if i were unsure i'd kick openvpn into verbose logging mode and watch it in the logs do the keyexchange :) |
| 20:26.14 | Vasistha | Orion_X11: so, it's a 128 MB drive? |
| 20:26.15 | \amethyst | socialist: I would expect pam_unix to use nss to get the shadow file |
| 20:26.29 | \amethyst | socialist: but I'm not 100% certail of that |
| 20:26.37 | \amethyst | certain |
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| 20:27.58 | socialist | \amethyst: that's pretty much what I'm thinking |
| 20:28.16 | \amethyst | socialist: and pam_unix would (usually) still be used for things like root |
| 20:28.54 | socialist | I'm having to mix some legacy NIS and kerberos, what I"m trying to avoid is having a user's creds attempted w/ NIS before failing and moving to kerberos |
| 20:29.08 | socialist | I just need to play with PAM and I'll be ok |
| 20:29.24 | \amethyst | socialist: so make sure kerberos is first in the PAM auth config |
| 20:29.28 | socialist | right |
| 20:29.53 | Orion_X11 | Vasistha: I think so. It is not mine I just borrowed it from a friend of mine. |
| 20:30.03 | socialist | which sort of sucks because I have more NIS than kerb users, and this will inject an attempted kerberos auth into every PAM auth |
| 20:30.10 | socialist | but oh well |
| 20:30.28 | socialist | better than sending krb passwords over NIS :P |
| 20:30.47 | Vasistha | Orion_X11: well, just to make absolutely certain you've got the right device (/dev/sda) I would unplug the drive, fdisk -l again and make sure that you then see not drive there -- then plug again and verify that it's back at /dev/sda |
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| 20:33.43 | Orion_X11 | Vasistha: I did that. And it is /dev/sda The plug, unplug confirmed it. |
| 20:34.24 | pumpkin0 | i'm looking for a new PC and want to check how linux works on them _before_ buying. Are there any real problems with P35 borads or Q6600 CPUs ? |
| 20:34.28 | Vasistha | Orion_X11: an ext2 partition is easier/quicker to make ... do you need to use the device on windoze? |
| 20:34.44 | Orion_X11 | Vasistha: yes. |
| 20:35.09 | Vasistha | Orion_X11: *sigh* then you'll need to do a fat format ... I think there's a package called mtools |
| 20:35.42 | karsten | Vasistha: Whynot mkfs.vfat? |
| 20:36.08 | Orion_X11 | karsten: How then? |
| 20:36.09 | abrotman | drink bud dry |
| 20:36.11 | Vasistha | karsten: In my experience, that doesn't actually format the drive and prepare it for use ... maybe I'm just doing it wrong? I've been disappointed with the result several times |
| 20:36.45 | karsten | Vasistha: Came into this late, what sort of device? I've not had issues. |
| 20:36.56 | Vasistha | karsten: usb key ... talk to Orion_X11 :) |
| 20:37.06 | karsten | Vasistha: Too busy :) |
| 20:37.21 | karsten | Orion_X11: USB stick, right? |
| 20:37.32 | Orion_X11 | karsten: yes |
| 20:37.44 | Vasistha | Orion_X11: may as well try mkfs.vfat /dev/sda1 ... although you'll need to partition it first, I would recommend cfdisk |
| 20:38.17 | karsten | Orion_X11: Stick can turn up in various places. 'dmesg' should show what device is created, may be /dev/sda, could be any of a, b, c, d, e, f |
| 20:38.32 | karsten | Orion_X11: If you've got existign data on the stick, you *don't* want to format it. |
| 20:38.58 | karsten | Orion_X11: You'll also want to ensure you've got the proper USB and hotplug modules loaded. That _should_ happen automagically. |
| 20:39.03 | Orion_X11 | karsten: Nothing important there |
| 20:39.17 | karsten | Orion_X11: 'cat /proc/partitions' w/ the stick in to see what partitions yoru system knows about (mounted or otherwise). |
| 20:39.40 | Orion_X11 | karsten: I can format that. But I need to now how. It is /dev/sda |
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| 20:39.51 | karsten | Orion_X11: Usually USB is formatted w/ one partition. I'd advise mounting it async and noatime as well, to minimize writes. |
| 20:40.31 | karsten | Orion_X11: Create a partition on it (man fdisk). Format that partition "mkfs.vfat /dev/sda1" for example, if the device is /dev/sda |
| 20:40.34 | Orion_X11 | karsten: Ok. But I need to know tha commands |
| 20:40.37 | karsten | Make sure sda isn't something else. |
| 20:40.48 | karsten | I just told you. I'm busy. RTFM or ask channel. |
| 20:41.17 | Vasistha | Orion_X11: may as well try mkfs.vfat /dev/sda1 ... although you'll need to partition it first, I would recommend cfdisk |
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| 20:41.36 | cast | if its vfat there's a flush mount option, which is a bit safer than async. dunno when that was added, is in 2.6.22 |
| 20:41.39 | Vasistha | Orion_X11: dunno why you ignored that, it's pretty much everything you need ... you and I already went through all the verification that it's on sda |
| 20:42.22 | Orion_X11 | Vasistha: what is the command for cfdisk to apply to /dev/sda? |
| 20:42.33 | Vasistha | Orion_X11: take a wild guess |
| 20:42.45 | Agiofws | cfdisk /dev/sda |
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| 20:43.49 | pablo | Hi |
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| 20:44.24 | pablo | Hi, I would like to ask a question: how are the .changes files generated for dput? |
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| 20:49.35 | drwahl | .quit |
| 20:49.49 | pablo | #join /launchpad |
| 20:49.59 | abrotman | close |
| 20:50.14 | karsten | How is a Debian initrd populated, /bin, /sbin, etc. |
| 20:50.17 | Daveman | hey abrotman |
| 20:50.31 | abrotman | hi |
| 20:50.41 | abrotman | karsten: huh? |
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| 20:51.03 | karsten | Where is the list of programs which will be included in the initrd determined? |
| 20:51.43 | abrotman | programs or modules? |
| 20:51.58 | karsten | abrotman: *programs*. Not modules. |
| 20:52.02 | karsten | I'm hand-crafting an initrd. |
| 20:52.06 | karsten | I need to add some stuff. |
| 20:52.10 | abrotman | /etc/initramfs-tools? |
| 20:52.20 | karsten | I'm trying to see how it's built in Debian. |
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| 20:54.32 | karsten | Hrm: run_scripts /usr/share/initramfs-tools/hooks |
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| 21:04.36 | mot_ | hey |
| 21:04.42 | mot_ | how do i list all files installed by a .deb? |
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| 21:05.23 | rahul | mot_: man dpkg... |
| 21:05.24 | pobega | mot_: dpkg -L [From dpkg(1)] |
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| 21:06.29 | pobega | I've got a question; Currently I'm rolling myself a custom kernel. Considering that all goes well, how will I be able to get my wireless [ipw3945] working? I'm using to just installing the modules through apt-get. |
| 21:07.26 | mot_ | no guys |
| 21:07.35 | mot_ | i mean how do you list the files of a package already installed on the system? |
| 21:07.49 | pobega | mot_: dpkg -L ...? |
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| 21:08.18 | [gloom] | is there a way to force an usb external mouse to be on other device different than /dev/input/mice? |
| 21:08.47 | mot_ | no |
| 21:08.49 | mot_ | it is not dpkg -L |
| 21:08.51 | sepski | [gloom], why ever would you want to. |
| 21:09.01 | stew | mot_: dpkg -L packagename |
| 21:09.25 | abrotman | [gloom]: why would you? |
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| 21:09.27 | [gloom] | cause I have a weird situation here very annoying |
| 21:09.30 | xand | (how) can I mount a usb harddisk by uuid? the uuid isn't in /dev/disk/by-uuid/ maybe because it's not detected late in the boot sequence |
| 21:09.33 | [gloom] | ok |
| 21:09.42 | sepski | [gloom], but you can ofcourse remove the devmouse module to remove the /dev/input/mice device. and use /dev/psaux or /dev/usb/whatever/thingy directly. but the added work is not worth it. |
| 21:09.57 | xand | speaking of which, how can I make it mount on boot but not until late in the boot sequence? |
| 21:10.14 | sepski | [gloom], given that you state 0 detail. i assume it's mouse protocol related and not device related |
| 21:10.28 | pobega | xand: You can mount it with /etc/rc.local I suppose, but I'm not sure if that would be really yes. |
| 21:10.36 | pobega | s/yes/safe |
| 21:10.38 | [gloom] | wait, i'm explaining myself |
| 21:10.39 | sepski | xand, you can mount with autofs |
| 21:10.45 | pobega | Put it in your /etc/fstab not as automatic. |
| 21:10.56 | xand | sepski: what's that? |
| 21:11.13 | xand | hm |
| 21:11.15 | feitingen | does anyone know a good way to upgrade from potato? |
| 21:11.28 | xand | feitingen: reinstall? :| |
| 21:11.37 | [gloom] | my laptop has a pad, with 3 buttons, and a multimedia keyboard. The multimedia keys are mapped as buttons 4,5,6,7 of the /dev/input/mice. When i connect my external usb mouse, it's on /dev/input/mice too, and the button 4 is mapped in the wheel to, so every use of the wheel is interpreted as a keystroke on the multimedia keyboard |
| 21:11.54 | sepski | xand, thingy that mount devices on accessing the device |
| 21:12.04 | [gloom] | If I could use my external usb mouse in other device, my problem will be solved |
| 21:13.05 | xand | hmm |
| 21:13.27 | sepski | [gloom], it allways is a other device. /dev/usb something |
| 21:13.33 | sepski | plug it in and look in dmesg output |
| 21:13.47 | feitingen | [gloom]: unrelated: what are you using to interprete the buttons? |
| 21:13.53 | [gloom] | I tried to use ZAxismapping "10 11" and xev recognizes my wheel as 10 and 11 buttons, but it does not work as a wheel in X |
| 21:14.11 | [gloom] | feitingen: the multimedia ones? |
| 21:14.15 | feitingen | yes |
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| 21:14.24 | [gloom] | feitingen: xbindkeys |
| 21:14.29 | sepski | i am so lucky i never ever buy those sickening keyboards with wierd hacks on them :) |
| 21:14.33 | feitingen | thanks |
| 21:14.38 | [gloom] | np |
| 21:14.45 | chops | feitingen: You can upgrade to woody, then sarge, then etch |
| 21:15.11 | chops | feitingen: But you'll be there for a while :-). Unless you have a pretty complex setup, it'll be simpler to reinstall etch and re-set-up whatever you have set up. |
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| 21:16.11 | feitingen | oh well, a wipe it is :( |
| 21:16.17 | feitingen | thanks anyways. |
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| 21:17.12 | mrrcp | can i get a woody? |
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| 21:17.18 | wad | I'm trying to get some files off a CD, but they are coming up in the whortened windows 8.3 format, instead of long files. What could I search on in google to find a way to recover the original filenames? |
| 21:17.26 | wad | shortened, even. |
| 21:19.50 | dkr | don't think you can if it the cd was created without joliet extensions which allow long filenames |
| 21:20.38 | [gloom] | so, any ideas? |
| 21:20.40 | stew | wad: you could map md5sums to filenames using the jigdo file |
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| 21:20.48 | mike-e | how can i launch a url in firefox when i'm remote from the machine, as in logged in via ssh |
| 21:21.08 | dkr | mike-e: firefox -remote something. read the --help |
| 21:21.10 | wad | stew: I think I found a solution. Thanks, though! |
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| 21:21.35 | dkr | mike-e: oops, I misread your question, -remote is not what you want. you want x forwarding enabled in ssh |
| 21:22.20 | mike-e | is that done on the client or the host |
| 21:22.31 | dkr | both |
| 21:22.46 | dkr | /etc/ssh/sshd_config |
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| 21:23.14 | expose | How to build x86_64 kernel in a 32bit userspace with .24-rc4? they combined x86 and x86_64 and the [ ] Build 64bit Kernel option seems gone... |
| 21:23.24 | mike-e | i'm ssh'ing into a machine, my co-workers machine to be exact, and i want to run firefox on his machine and will load a certain web page. |
| 21:23.27 | pobega | What package provides mkinitrd? I don't seem to have it on my system... |
| 21:23.50 | dkr | initramfs-tools or something like that |
| 21:24.33 | chops | expose: You may have some trouble building an x86_64 kernel in a 32-bit Debian installation... among other things, you need an amd64 cross-compiler I believe. |
| 21:24.33 | pobega | dkr: I have that package installed, yet I don't have mkinitrd |
| 21:24.33 | expose | chops: it worked before by simply selecting this option. |
| 21:25.00 | dkr | pobega: mkinitramfs i sthe command now, not just the package name changed. :) |
| 21:25.25 | pobega | Ah, I didn't know if the two were one in the same -- Thank you dkr :) |
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| 21:29.48 | pobega | Hm, I seem to be getting an error... http://pastebin.com/m3c33b32d |
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| 21:29.52 | van | how do you check the arp table under debian? |
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| 21:30.24 | Saar | pretty annoying how wnck-applet keeps hogging the cpu after every other day or so |
| 21:30.29 | Saar | have to kill it and reload |
| 21:30.30 | Tramp | van: man arp or ip neigh |
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| 21:30.45 | Saar | not just on one but all my debian computers, strange |
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| 21:31.31 | Nyle | + |
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| 21:32.07 | [gloom] | Since USB supports multiple identical devices, you can have multiple mice plugged in. You can get each mouse seperately, or you can get them all mixed together. You almost always want the mixed version, and that is what will be used together. You need to set up a device node entry for the mixed mice. It is customary to create the entries for this device in the /dev/input/ directory. |
| 21:32.07 | mrrcp | + |
| 21:32.12 | [gloom] | so it's possible |
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| 21:32.36 | holycow | hi guys |
| 21:32.38 | chops | Saar: File a bug |
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| 21:32.45 | xand | insolence :O |
| 21:33.01 | mrrcp | hmm |
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| 21:33.03 | holycow | does anyone here have extensive experience with fsck on ext3 file systems? i wanted to just toss some thoughts back an forth |
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| 21:33.03 | Saar | maybe i should ja |
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| 21:33.35 | holycow | i have a laptop comming in with an issue with fs integrity and its one of those fsck deals that requires manual running of fsck and thousands of lines of pressing 'y' to agree to clear inodes and nonsense like that |
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| 21:33.51 | x3n0 | i have been looking into building a portable cluster. most likely using the VIA MII12000. has anyone attempted this...? |
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| 21:33.59 | holycow | just curious what others experience has been on ext3 ... i'm really finding that its no better than fat32 |
| 21:34.34 | Vasistha | holycow: uh... have you checked your drive for bad blocks? |
| 21:34.35 | xand | holycow: pfft. |
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| 21:34.50 | xand | holycow: never had any problems that weren't caused by hardware failure |
| 21:34.55 | koojoo | does anyone know if it is possible to have a bootable floppy disk that will then allow the cpu to be boo0ted by6 the cd? ( my BIOS does not have a bootable cd option |
| 21:35.00 | holycow | Vasistha: well automatic force of fsck every 30 boots should take care of that? |
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| 21:35.14 | holycow | do we really haveto do this manually ... say ever time a system is stated up? |
| 21:35.15 | koojoo | )and i am not looking for installo bootdisks eithger... i am looking for something general |
| 21:35.16 | Vasistha | holycow: no. |
| 21:35.18 | ^Timo^ | Hi. |
| 21:35.36 | Vasistha | holycow: that 'no' was in response to the question you directed to me, not the latter commend |
| 21:35.39 | Vasistha | *comment |
| 21:35.42 | chops | holycow: How is it no better than FAT32? It has permissions, for one thing :-) |
| 21:35.57 | koojoo | trying to use harins boot cd to run so9me diagnostics, but my old laptop does not have a boot from cd option, so i am wondering ifr there is a bootable floppy that will then allow the cd ton be booted??? |
| 21:36.05 | holycow | xand: perhaps, i ran raiser3 since it was released on a few hundred workstations and not a blip. now that we have been ext3 for 6 months this is like the 4th hd requirind a manual fsck, same hardware |
| 21:36.14 | x3n0 | i prefer zfs personally |
| 21:36.21 | holycow | Vasistha: *nod* caught that |
| 21:36.33 | holycow | chops relaibility |
| 21:36.34 | _Sam-- | so then run reiser |
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| 21:36.44 | Vasistha | holycow: badblocks is a test that may find that your device is failing. it is very different from fsck, which only checks fs integrity, and ignores any indications of device failure |
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| 21:37.05 | holycow | Vasistha: aha |
| 21:37.19 | chops | holycow: Your experience is somewhat unusual among people who have tried running ext3 and reiser both. Most people find ext3 to be quite reliable. If reiser works better for you, though, you should switch back to reiser. |
| 21:37.40 | holycow | chops: not now that hans is in jail ... i'm considering jfs |
| 21:37.47 | Vasistha | holycow: (also, if you don't notice its being better than fat32, then that probably means you haven't gotten accustomed to some of the features that fat lacks: file ownership and permissions, symlinks, hardlinks, execution control, etc. |
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| 21:38.07 | xand | x3n0: shame it's not in linux |
| 21:38.13 | _Sam-- | holycow : thats kind of stupid, he hasnt been found guilty of a crime. |
| 21:38.40 | _Sam-- | if reiser works, and you dont use cause the guy is locked up, im not sure that really helping anything. |
| 21:38.40 | x3n0 | it is in my case |
| 21:38.40 | xand | holycow: all I've heard about reiser is that mythtv devs say not to use it ;) |
| 21:38.40 | holycow | chops: this is on regular user workstation that gets shut down a lot. i have a sneaky suspicion ext3 was really not intended for boxes that get power cycled daily |
| 21:38.42 | chops | Vasistha: I think he was just being bombastic to get attention comparing it to FAT32 instead of Reiser initially |
| 21:38.52 | x3n0 | bit of a hack job but it works |
| 21:38.58 | chops | xand: A lot of people say not to use reiser |
| 21:39.09 | holycow | _Sam--: it's unfair i agree, i'd love to see raiser4 move forward. appearently oracle is working on a nice journale fs but its pre alpha right now |
| 21:39.18 | Vasistha | holycow: I've been using ext3 on a box that gets power cycled daily for a couple years now, no problems yet |
| 21:39.21 | solemnwarning | Is NIS in sarge incompatible with NIS in etch? |
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| 21:39.38 | holycow | Vasistha: do you have experience with manual fsck situations? or anyone? just curious, is that typically invoked when fsck sees a 'serious' situation? |
| 21:39.46 | solemnwarning | I can't get a sarge machine to find my NIS domain but another etch box does it fine |
| 21:39.46 | chops | holycow: If you have hundreds of workstations that are getting power-cycled once a day, I would think FS integrity would be the least weird of your problems |
| 21:39.57 | xand | solemnwarning: isn't NIS standardised? |
| 21:39.57 | ^Timo^ | Hi. |
| 21:40.06 | solemnwarning | xand: I dunno |
| 21:40.13 | x3n0 | like i was saying... has anyone built a cluster with etch on VIA CPUs...? |
| 21:40.24 | ^Timo^ | i have troubles doing ./configure apache2 here is my output http://www.pastebin.ca/808740 anyone can help me with this ????? |
| 21:40.28 | solemnwarning | But ypbind on my sarge box is timing out over and over again |
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| 21:40.35 | ^Timo^ | in #apache the don't know.. |
| 21:40.35 | expose | can dri/glx and fb for intel onboard i9xx graphics chips coexist? |
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| 21:40.52 | _Sam-- | ^Timo^ : why dont you use the debian apache package? |
| 21:40.53 | x3n0 | not comfortably |
| 21:41.17 | abrotman | ^Timo^: we can't help you .. either use the debian package .. or wait in #apache |
| 21:41.25 | holycow | chops: well provided the fs is properly journaled and atomic in its commits, the software should remain in state an dunchanged. |
| 21:41.27 | _Sam-- | or, disable ldap in your configure. |
| 21:41.37 | cmyers__ | I just recently did an apt-get dist-upgrade (I run Debian Testing) and I am having some troubles with Iceweasel - my bookmarks aren't loading right, SSL is disabled, a bunch of configuration options seem horked. Where do I look to see if this is an already-known issue? |
| 21:41.48 | chops | holycow: (That is, if you're using a journaling fs. If you weren't using a journaling FS, you would have plenty of FS integrity problems) |
| 21:41.56 | ^Timo^ | _Sam-- : cuz i want the latest apache2 running |
| 21:41.57 | ^Timo^ | :) |
| 21:42.09 | _Sam-- | sounds smart in a production environment |
| 21:42.19 | Ronin | ^Timo^: why? why does it always have to be the latest |
| 21:42.34 | x3n0 | good point |
| 21:42.43 | _Sam-- | only if it has new features that you cant get in an older version, then it makes sense. |
| 21:42.43 | ^Timo^ | cuz others are exploitable most of the time latest release are not |
| 21:42.50 | Ronin | ^Timo^: not true |
| 21:42.52 | mrrcp | ^Timo^ u do know just because its the lastest doesnt make it secure at all.. |
| 21:42.52 | _Sam-- | you are a toolshed |
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| 21:43.00 | Ronin | mrrcp: indeed |
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| 21:43.21 | stew | ^Timo^: it would be far easier to keep up with security updates by sticking with debian stable |
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| 21:43.24 | mrrcp | its OPENSOURCE ? |
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| 21:43.29 | chops | holycow: The FS can have however much integrity it wants to; that won't stop software from leaving files in an inconsistent state. mysql, dpkg, hell, even your browser bookmarks might be left half-updated by an unlucky power cycle. Journaling FSes are rigorously designed to keep integrity if the rug gets pulled from under them; almost nothing else that stores data on-disk in a complex format is. |
| 21:43.30 | xand | ^Timo^: debian has security update you know? |
| 21:43.30 | x3n0 | you must have heard of zero day exploits ;) |
| 21:43.31 | ^Timo^ | hmm. they are but the change could be there are fixes from old executalbe codes |
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| 21:43.32 | ^Timo^ | so. |
| 21:43.44 | ^Timo^ | and i want just latest release |
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| 21:43.50 | mrrcp | so hop to #apache |
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| 21:43.53 | ^Timo^ | its stable to. |
| 21:43.54 | _Sam-- | then configure it without ldap |
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| 21:43.57 | Ronin | ahh ^Timo^ suffers from if it the newest it must be the best |
| 21:44.02 | stew | ^Timo^: what does 2.2.6 have that 2.2.4 doesn't? |
| 21:44.03 | chops | !sns |
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| 21:44.05 | Ronin | ^Timo^: in that case you best ask in #apache etc. |
| 21:44.11 | solemnwarning | Has anyone here managed to get a sarge machine to connect to an etch NIS server? |
| 21:44.15 | stew | err 2.2.3.. |
| 21:44.16 | ^Timo^ | yes yes. |
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| 21:44.35 | x3n0 | so no help on the clustering front... :( |
| 21:44.39 | x3n0 | lol |
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| 21:44.53 | Vasistha | ^Timo^: I think you're walking down a foolish path. debian stable will be more secure, and easier to maintain, than anything else you will come up with. |
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| 21:45.57 | Ronin | and if you're not going to use debian packages you should ask in the apss channel |
| 21:46.21 | ^Timo^ | yes yes |
| 21:46.23 | mrrcp | did u mean ass? |
| 21:46.26 | ^Timo^ | already there |
| 21:46.27 | mrrcp | or apss |
| 21:46.30 | mrrcp | :P |
| 21:46.33 | Vasistha | apps? |
| 21:46.34 | Ronin | apps actually |
| 21:46.38 | mrrcp | o |
| 21:46.41 | Ronin | damn old fingers |
| 21:47.38 | _Sam-- | happens when your carpel gets tunneled :) |
| 21:47.54 | Ronin | heh |
| 21:48.00 | _Sam-- | 'my tunnel is carped, DAMMIT' |
| 21:48.17 | _Sam-- | trackball has helped. |
| 21:48.19 | Ronin | hate it when that happens |
| 21:48.21 | Vasistha | or my tunneled is carpeled? |
| 21:48.33 | cmyers__ | Hey all, I just recently did an apt-get upgrade (I run Debian Testing) and I am having some troubles with Iceweasel - my bookmarks aren't loading right, SSL is disabled, a bunch of configuration options seem horked. Is this the sort of issue I need to report in a bugzilla instance or something? |
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| 21:49.02 | chops | cmyers__: Did you do 'apt-get upgrade', or 'apt-get dist-upgrade'? Also, have you checked the BTS? |
| 21:49.02 | _Sam-- | i need an iceweasel to clear my damn windshield today |
| 21:49.10 | Ronin | _Sam--: indeed |
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| 21:49.12 | vonnis | can i find and browse files in my windows partition if im in debian? |
| 21:49.24 | _Sam-- | cmyers__ : in the furute, i dont know how you did your upgrade, but aptitude seems to break less things than apt-get |
| 21:49.26 | chops | vonnis: Yes. |
| 21:49.33 | mrrcp | vonnis: sure use samba |
| 21:49.39 | stew | vonnis: /msg dpkg ntfsro |
| 21:49.45 | mrrcp | or that |
| 21:49.56 | cmyers__ | chops: I think I had done a dist-upgrade, I know that there are no packages being "held back" at this point. |
| 21:50.09 | cmyers__ | chops: I will check the BTS - I am assuming I can find that on debian.org? |
| 21:50.22 | chops | cmyers__: What version did you upgrade from, and what version do you have now? The BTS is on bugs.debian.org |
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| 21:51.10 | cmyers__ | I had debian testing before, and now. I was just doing a dist-upgrade because, as I understand it, when major changes hit testing sometimes you don't get them unless you dist-upgrade. |
| 21:51.28 | cmyers__ | I probably hadn't upgraded in a month or two. I think I went from iceweasel 2.0.0.3 to 2.0.0.8 |
| 21:51.52 | iwkse__ | i, anybody got a crash while opening the property dialog on mp3 files? i have an attached log (debian lenny) http://www.pastebin.ca/808720 |
| 21:52.18 | chops | cmyers__: Yeah, check the BTS. That sounds like it sucks :-(. |
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| 21:52.51 | cmyers__ | chops: thanks - I'm looking now |
| 21:52.56 | _Sam-- | one of the reasons why any time you attempt any upgrade or dist-upgrade, you should have a backup of your important configs. |
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| 21:53.09 | _Sam-- | only takes one time to get screwed, and you will learn. |
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| 21:53.26 | Archie1 | which dir does apache redirect me to when i enter localhost in my browser? |
| 21:53.36 | _Sam-- | Archie1: normally , /var/www |
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| 21:53.44 | Archie1 | _Sam--: thanks |
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| 21:54.28 | Archie1 | _Sam--: the man page is pretty brief about it :-\ |
| 21:54.35 | x3n0 | would dual gig NICs be ok for a 16 node cluster or would single gig NICs be enough |
| 21:54.40 | _Sam-- | you could find out from /etc/apache/something.conf |
| 21:54.55 | _Sam-- | probably httpd.conf |
| 21:54.58 | _Sam-- | document root |
| 21:55.05 | Archie1 | _Sam--: yeah thats where i am going now thanks |
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| 21:55.22 | _Sam-- | search for documentroot |
| 21:55.22 | _Sam-- | in httpd.conf |
| 21:55.23 | Archie1 | i got apache2 by the way... thats what debian installs with taskel :-P |
| 21:55.32 | squisher | Archie1: I think you should check in the default site in /etc/apache2/sites-enabled |
| 21:55.34 | _Sam-- | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:56.00 | squisher | x3n0: that's highly dependent on what you want to do with the cluster :-) |
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| 21:56.44 | x3n0 | its for a highly portable render/compile farm |
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| 21:57.07 | van | how do you get nslookup working in debian |
| 21:57.22 | _Sam-- | you type nslookup |
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| 21:57.28 | squisher | x3n0: not that I know a lot about rendering, but it obviously depends on how much the nodes need to communicate |
| 21:57.29 | cast | i'd install it |
| 21:57.32 | van | nslookup: command not found |
| 21:57.39 | cast | dnsutils: /usr/bin/nslookup |
| 21:57.42 | van | apt-get install nslookup = no package |
| 21:57.52 | squisher | x3n0: so if the jobs are just distributed frame by frame or something, and then the nodes just crunch away, then why would you need dual gigabit? |
| 21:58.04 | van | well /usr/bin/nslookup: No such file or directory |
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| 21:58.14 | squisher | van: install apt-file to search for what packages provide a binary |
| 21:58.26 | van | i search, foudn nothing |
| 21:58.32 | stew | van: /msg dpkg apt-file |
| 21:58.50 | x3n0 | true... just looking into what kind of performance increases could be expected... |
| 21:59.00 | cmyers__ | chops: I don't see any bugs that seem to be it already-reported... but I just downloaded the iceweasel deb from unstable, did `dpkg -i`, and it runs fine, so I am going to assume this fix will make it into testing eventually. |
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| 21:59.25 | chops | cmyers__: Hm |
| 21:59.45 | chops | cmyers__: Yeah, testing and unstable are like that sometimes. unstable more so, of course. |
| 21:59.49 | x3n0 | prob not a huge amount seeing that it is cpu intensive rather than traffic |
| 22:00.02 | x3n0 | =/ |
| 22:00.03 | squisher | x3n0: I'd think so too |
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| 22:00.31 | cmyers__ | chops: *shrug* I knew what I was getting into when I installed it =) If you knew my actual setup, it's pretty crazy. I am running debian testing in a chroot on a RHEL5 box |
| 22:00.38 | van | cannot find nslookup anywhere ... |
| 22:00.44 | van | not even in apt-file |
| 22:00.44 | stew | x3n0: often hard disk bandwidth is the bottleneck long before network bandwidth is |
| 22:00.46 | x3n0 | the plan is to build it within an aluminium flight case =D |
| 22:00.56 | stew | van: have you run "apt-file update" recently? |
| 22:01.06 | stew | (like, ever) |
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| 22:01.15 | x3n0 | one step ahead there... (solid state disks) =D |
| 22:01.16 | guillaume1 | is it possible to use lightening source for icedove ? |
| 22:01.23 | _Sam-- | van: save us both the trouble....try "apt-get install dnsutils" |
| 22:01.57 | stew | x3n0: lucky you. my render farm deals with way too much data for that to be feasible |
| 22:02.04 | squisher | chops: what's wrong with RHEL? Never used redhat :) |
| 22:02.05 | van | sam: here you go thanks you how did you find it O_O |
| 22:02.38 | x3n0 | raid 0 for a central store |
| 22:02.51 | x3n0 | ~1Tb |
| 22:02.56 | _Sam-- | i knew what package contained it, since ive been using bind, dns, and nslookup since slackware 1.0 it seems |
| 22:03.04 | cmyers__ | chops: Our biggest problems with RHEL are how we use it. We only deprecated the last RH7.2 boxes a few months ago, most still run RHEL3 =/ |
| 22:03.16 | stew | van: i found it with "apt-file search bin/nslookup". "apt-file search nslookup" would have also found it |
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| 22:03.47 | _Sam-- | stew : my sarge AMD64 installation doesnt know what "apt-file" is |
| 22:03.47 | van | stew: apt-file search nslookup return me nothing |
| 22:04.12 | _Sam-- | hmm my new etch install doesnt seem to know apt-file, by default, either. |
| 22:04.26 | squisher | _Sam--: I don't think it's installed by default |
| 22:04.31 | x3n0 | the only draw-back is that i´ll need to use mini-itx boards =/ |
| 22:04.34 | _Sam-- | its not, thanks. |
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| 22:04.52 | chops | squisher: The server I was dealing with had a firewall installed which prevented me from running an IRC daemon. When I disabled the firewall, because running an iptables firewall on a public-facing server is silly, I found that there were 17 ports open, many of them for services I couldn't remove. When I tried to use their silly ncurses-based tool to modify the firewall settings (after reenabling it), I botched it up somehow so that I locked myself out of e |
| 22:05.11 | van | nvm i got it, i need to dfo the apt-file update effectivly..lol |
| 22:05.12 | chops | squisher: Don't even get me started on selinux enabled by default. |
| 22:05.34 | stew | _Sam--: /msg dpkg apt-file |
| 22:05.44 | stew | van: when was the last time you ran "apt-file update" ? |
| 22:05.44 | squisher | chops: hehe, sounds like some fun ;-) |
| 22:05.55 | Archie1 | i have both tomcat and apache running and when i place a jsp file somewhere in /var/www/../../index.jsp and i run firefox with localhost/../../index.jsp all i see is the text in the jsp file :-\ |
| 22:06.13 | Archie1 | the index file is from ibm so it should work.. :) |
| 22:06.25 | squisher | Archie1: you need to configure apache to forward requests to tomcat... there's some module for that if I recall correctly |
| 22:06.33 | Archie1 | eh |
| 22:06.36 | van | stew: a few year ago haha |
| 22:06.40 | BobSapp | mime types |
| 22:06.46 | Archie1 | dpkg tomcat |
| 22:06.47 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, tomcat is a reference implementation of jsp 1.1 and servlets 2.2 - for more information visit http://jakarta.apache.org/tomcat/index.html, or if you still have problems to configure and run it, see http://www.ccl.net/cca/software/UNIX/apache/ |
| 22:07.07 | van | stew: i never used apt-file, only once few year ago i guess. almost forget this command.. |
| 22:07.09 | chops | squisher: Honestly, I don't think that it's that RHEL is all that bad, it's just that Debian is better than I have any right to expect. I'm just accustomed to being pampered, because Debian is set up with such a server-oriented mindset and generally done well. |
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| 22:07.49 | Archie1 | squisher: installing tomcat is not enough? |
| 22:07.53 | solemnwarning | Yay for cryptic UNIX error messages! |
| 22:07.53 | squisher | chops: true, I guess what goes along with that is that some people complain debian is not desktop oriented enough :) |
| 22:07.58 | squisher | Archie1: AFAIK not, no |
| 22:08.03 | solemnwarning | "You don't exist, go away!" |
| 22:08.16 | Acxty | HI, I want to connect to a vpn server. The only things I have are a username, password, and host |
| 22:08.19 | Archie1 | squisher: any clue what else i need dpkg isnt really helpful with tomcat |
| 22:08.28 | Archie1 | webapps? |
| 22:08.37 | Acxty | I install vpnc but don't know if it connect or not, how can I verify it |
| 22:08.45 | Archie1 | libapache2-mod-jk |
| 22:09.02 | squisher | Archie1: yes, I think so. Use google, there's plenty of guides out there |
| 22:09.12 | chops | squisher: For _my_ desktop I find it works fine, but it's definitely designed with server administrators first in mind |
| 22:09.25 | squisher | chops: I totally agree |
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| 22:09.55 | BobSapp | doesent tomcat run on port 8080? |
| 22:09.56 | BobSapp | by default... |
| 22:10.10 | squisher | yeah, but apache can still forward requests to tomcat |
| 22:10.17 | van | why using aptitude when you have apt? lol |
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| 22:10.29 | stew | van: /msg dpkg why aptitude |
| 22:10.39 | BobSapp | sounds good because I need to implement a site with perl and jsp pages |
| 22:10.57 | van | stew: nice dpkg here is god :o |
| 22:11.03 | BobSapp | im not sure if tomcat supports perl scripts/includes but its implemented in java so... |
| 22:11.10 | BobSapp | having both is a nice touch |
| 22:11.29 | squisher | BobSapp: I'm sure with proper care you can set it up so that parts of your site are served by tomcat, and the rest by apache |
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| 22:12.15 | BobSapp | Yes, tomcat supports virtual paths so you could just set all the jsp pages under their own subdir |
| 22:12.36 | BobSapp | just make sure the requests dont conflict, theres probably a better way though |
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| 22:13.47 | mrrcp | lsof |
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| 22:21.09 | ^Timo^ | hi. |
| 22:21.28 | ^Timo^ | anyone knows where openssl location is in debian ? |
| 22:21.46 | dondelelcaro | ^Timo^: dpkg -L openssl |
| 22:21.46 | wols | !tell ^Timo^ about search |
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| 22:27.26 | x3n0 | or would 100Mb/s be too slow for the inter connects on a render/compile farm...? |
| 22:27.38 | dondelelcaro | x3n0: it'll work |
| 22:27.45 | dondelelcaro | (it just may not be optimal) |
| 22:27.51 | x3n0 | hmm |
| 22:28.13 | squisher | why would you want to go with 100mb/s if you're building a new system? |
| 22:28.34 | squisher | the price difference to gigabit is often totally minimal |
| 22:28.56 | dondelelcaro | squisher: the main issue is the switches and wiring infrastructure |
| 22:29.02 | x3n0 | as i have just seen the VIA EPIA PX 10000 Pico-itx board |
| 22:29.04 | squisher | true |
| 22:29.20 | dondelelcaro | the differential in price for the actual cards is such that it's almost impossible to find new 100Mb cards |
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| 22:29.39 | squisher | dondelelcaro, but I think for a cluster of 16 nodes, neither should be the problem |
| 22:29.49 | dondelelcaro | squisher: could be |
| 22:29.53 | x3n0 | meaning i couls squeeze far more nodes into the flight case =D |
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| 22:30.28 | dondelelcaro | x3n0: there are even smaller form factors than that, as well as machines designed specifically for that |
| 22:30.51 | x3n0 | hmm interesting... |
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| 22:30.54 | dondelelcaro | x3n0: someone has a > 20 processor workstation floating around |
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| 22:31.18 | x3n0 | in an aluminium flight case...? |
| 22:31.34 | dondelelcaro | (and you can easily fit 4 of the quad quad-core in a normal 8U flight case) |
| 22:31.36 | x3n0 | portability is key |
| 22:32.25 | x3n0 | as in the kind that can good on as hand luggage |
| 22:32.28 | dondelelcaro | "aluminium flight case" doesn't really speak to me; I've seen flight cases ranging from smaller than 1U to "interlocks with cargo tiedowns on the floor" |
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| 22:32.49 | dondelelcaro | x3n0: well, you can go to about 8U with wheels and cart it around |
| 22:32.59 | dondelelcaro | but much beyond 4U isn't much fun |
| 22:33.47 | x3n0 | i have found a case on maplin |
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| 22:34.20 | x3n0 | its 510x425x150mm |
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| 22:36.56 | x3n0 | better still 460x350x160mmm |
| 22:37.02 | x3n0 | *mm |
| 22:37.44 | x3n0 | easily squeeze in a 16-node... |
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| 22:38.43 | Archie1 | anyone knows if the verizon wireless cards work with debian? |
| 22:38.57 | wols | !hcl |
| 22:38.57 | dpkg | methinks hcl is at http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/Hardware-HOWTO/, or see http://www.linuxcompatible.org/compatlist3.html to see what's supported by the linux kernel, or http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/, or http://www.linuxquestions.org/hcl/, or <pciid ... [xxxx:yyyy] ala lspci -nn> |
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| 22:42.24 | Archie1 | wols: well i definetly know that hda-intel support is not integrated into etch yet.. |
| 22:42.28 | Archie1 | :( |
| 22:42.51 | x3n0 | any good cluster benchmarking apps out there...? |
| 22:42.52 | wols | Archie1: you are wrong |
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| 22:43.14 | wols | Archie1: /lib/modules/2.6.18-4-k7/kernel/sound/pci/hda/snd-hda-intel.ko |
| 22:43.35 | Archie1 | wols: sigmatel 9200.. the bugs has only been fixed in the newest kernel version which etch doesnt have |
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| 22:43.55 | wols | sigmatel isn't the only hda chip is it? |
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| 22:44.17 | Archie1 | its the only non working one i know off :) |
| 22:44.18 | wols | jsut cause intel made a godawful shitty spec doesn't mean it's not supported |
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| 22:45.01 | Archie1 | wols: so what do i need to do to get it working? |
| 22:45.14 | wols | a newer alsa or newer kernel? |
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| 22:45.20 | Archie1 | i tried compiling the alsa drivers with the sigmatel patch and it didnt work either |
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| 22:45.40 | Archie1 | i think i have to disable all sound configurations in /etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base |
| 22:45.52 | wols | !tell Archie1 about doesn't work |
| 22:46.09 | Archie1 | wols: and i installed the newest kernel using back ports and didnt work either |
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| 22:46.47 | Archie1 | wols: didnt work is not a vague statement when i tell you what i did and confirm non success :) |
| 22:47.27 | wols | Archie1: it's a totally useless statement. go away and come back if you know how to describe it in a useful manner |
| 22:47.36 | Archie1 | :) |
| 22:47.59 | chops | Samba is set "dns proxy = yes", "10.101.151.1 whatever" is in /etc/hosts, "dig @localhost whatever" works properly, "nmblookup -U localhost whatever" returns failure (and tcpdump does not see any DNS traffic, only the WINS request and failure) |
| 22:48.33 | chops | For that matter, "nmblookup -U localhost www.google.com" fails as well. I think I've found my problem. |
| 22:49.14 | Archie1 | wols: would it be better if i wrote my soundcard gave no sound each time? :) |
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| 22:51.34 | chops | Aha, "nmblookup -U localhost -R whatever" works. And now suddenly my Windows clients can see the name as well. Samba just needed a while to get used to the change after I restarted it :-/ |
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| 22:52.49 | klikklak | I keep getting insert 'custom mpt-tray' when I try to print a4:s on my canon lbp-1760.. This happens with pdf's, but html and text printing works ok |
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| 22:55.12 | wols | !tell Archie1 about errors |
| 22:55.35 | EvilDin | hi, does default 686 kernel have support for PAE (memory addressing to 64GB) ? |
| 22:55.47 | Archie1 | wols: well sorry i did it a while ago and simply gave up.. |
| 22:56.11 | dondelelcaro | EvilDin: no, but the bigmem kernel does. |
| 22:56.12 | stew | EvilDin: no, up to 4gb. you need a 'bigmem' kernel to go to 64 |
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| 22:57.11 | Archie1 | dpkg wols |
| 22:57.16 | Archie1 | ~dpkg wols |
| 22:57.26 | klikklak | thats weird, printing worked with xpdf |
| 22:57.34 | klikklak | anyway, lucky! |
| 22:57.40 | norc | Which package does /var/lib/dpkg/alternatives/x-window-manager belong to? |
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| 22:57.51 | norc | err |
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| 22:57.56 | norc | well, which package does contain that file ;) |
| 22:57.57 | dondelelcaro | norc: uh... alternatives don't belong to a package. |
| 22:58.07 | aguaithefreak | hi there.... |
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| 22:58.24 | drwahl | i'm trying to take a print screen, but my keyboard doesnt seem to have the correct layout. is there anyway to take a screenshot with the printscreen button? |
| 22:58.27 | EvilDin | thank you for your answer |
| 22:58.29 | norc | dondelelcaro: this file is part of a completely broken package, it appears that my debian stable is completely unstable. :| |
| 22:58.38 | elmo40 | drwahl: scrot |
| 22:58.41 | dondelelcaro | norc: which package contains that file? |
| 22:58.53 | norc | dondelelcaro: I asked exactly that question ;) |
| 22:59.06 | norc | oh well |
| 22:59.06 | EvilDin | um what do you think, should i move to x64 or should i stay at x32 OS ? any suggestions ? |
| 22:59.20 | aguaithefreak | anybody knows the name of the programme that configure gnome desktop? |
| 22:59.21 | Agiofws | http://img513.imageshack.us/my.php?image=olivesta1.jpg |
| 22:59.23 | dondelelcaro | norc: no package should ship a alternatives file like that; they should be using update-alternatives to manage them. |
| 22:59.27 | norc | dondelelcaro: let me rephrase. I have a completely recurring (almost critical) bug in my stable distribution. But I can't reproduce. |
| 22:59.41 | dondelelcaro | norc: "<norc> dondelelcaro: this file is part of a completely broken package," <-- if you know that, you shold know which package contains it |
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| 23:00.08 | norc | dondelelcaro: installing sawfish causes an update-alternatives, which gives me this one: update-alternatives: internal error: /var/lib/dpkg/alternatives/x-window-manager corrupt: missing newline after manflag |
| 23:00.17 | dkr | which package contains a file can be answered by "dpkg -S file" btw |
| 23:00.39 | dondelelcaro | norc: so edit /var/lib/dpkg/alternatives/x-window-manager and add the missing newline. |
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| 23:01.00 | norc | dondelelcaro: the file is completely binary and broken |
| 23:01.08 | dondelelcaro | norc: most likely update-alternatives was interrupted while writing to that file (or you've got corruption) |
| 23:01.10 | mutante | i am looking for a minimal install image for amd64 that fits on my 128MB usb stick.. i found http://ftp.nl.debian.org/debian/dists/etch/main/installer-amd64/current/images/hd-media/ but there is a 256MB image , can i go smaller and still boot amd64 from it? |
| 23:01.14 | norc | dondelelcaro: I had the same problem with a few packages before, apparently its completely random and not caused by hardware damage. |
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| 23:01.23 | dondelelcaro | norc: well, then remove it, and update-alternatives will recreate it. |
| 23:01.40 | Guerin | mutante: here's $5, go guy a 256MB stick |
| 23:01.48 | norc | mhmm |
| 23:01.51 | norc | dondelelcaro: that worked, still weird |
| 23:02.00 | Guerin | s/guy/buy/ |
| 23:02.05 | norc | dondelelcaro: I cant reproduce this bug at all, but its still recurring. |
| 23:02.09 | dondelelcaro | norc: it's definetly corruption; whether caused by hardware damage, software breakage, solar radiation, or improper shutdowns, I don't know. |
| 23:02.14 | mutante | Guerin: its not about the $5, but about wanting to boot it NOW , and stores are closed and weekeend |
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| 23:02.47 | norc | dondelelcaro: It's definitely not my hardware, I just ran a memtest and an extensive smart check |
| 23:02.53 | mutante | just got that server i bought on ebay... cant wait.. you know |
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| 23:03.11 | Guerin | mutante: you live someplace where stores close at the weekend |
| 23:03.14 | Guerin | ? |
| 23:03.24 | mutante | yes, well on sundays |
| 23:03.27 | Guerin | ah |
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| 23:03.32 | norc | dondelelcaro: solar radiation sounds cool, but I prefer the temporal flux theory. since leaves my with software breakage which would be experienced by all stable users it can only be "improper shutdowns" |
| 23:03.34 | Guerin | religious lunaticland |
| 23:03.36 | norc | right? |
| 23:04.00 | Cusoon959 | My external drive was giving me I/O errors on some files yesterday, and in fsck, I had to press y a bunch of times for hardware errors that made a "short read time" or something like that...it made the click of death too....but now I just turned it on to back up 33GB and it's not I/O erroring, nor making the click of death. Should I still contact the manufacturer to try and get a new one? |
| 23:04.06 | aguaithefreak | I remember there's sth that allow me to remove all the icon on desktop |
| 23:04.17 | dondelelcaro | norc: well, that or hardware. Running memtest and smart check doesn't mean that your hardware is necessarily OK. |
| 23:04.21 | squisher | Cusoon959, yes, definitely |
| 23:04.31 | dondelelcaro | norc: what filesystem is this, BTW? |
| 23:04.33 | squisher | Cusoon959, unless you don't care about your data, obviously ;-) |
| 23:04.36 | Cusoon959 | Cusoon959: ok :) |
| 23:04.36 | norc | dondelelcaro: reiserfs 3.6 |
| 23:04.39 | dondelelcaro | hahahaha |
| 23:04.46 | norc | ;) |
| 23:04.47 | Cusoon959 | oops |
| 23:04.48 | Cusoon959 | lol |
| 23:04.51 | norc | oh wait |
| 23:04.51 | Cusoon959 | I mean |
| 23:04.52 | norc | not true |
| 23:04.54 | dondelelcaro | norc: yeah, it's that filesystem |
| 23:04.55 | Cusoon959 | squisher: ok :) |
| 23:05.00 | norc | dondelelcaro: sorry, XFS is my root filesystem :) |
| 23:05.10 | aguaithefreak | well I guess this channl is mostly for develop:P |
| 23:05.13 | dondelelcaro | norc: what is /var on? |
| 23:05.13 | aguaithefreak | sorry |
| 23:05.18 | norc | dondelelcaro: its XFS on / |
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| 23:05.44 | norc | dondelelcaro: just my /home/ is on a seperate partition |
| 23:05.49 | norc | which is rfs 3.6 ;) |
| 23:06.03 | dondelelcaro | norc: well, I'd still point fingers at the filesystem, unfortunatly. |
| 23:06.15 | dondelelcaro | norc: random corruption of files is kind of symptomatic of many journaling filesystems |
| 23:06.20 | norc | dondelelcaro: well, this would cause different kind of corruption |
| 23:06.26 | dondelelcaro | norc: not really |
| 23:06.50 | EvilDin | i have CPU which support 64-bit, should i use Debian x86-64 or should i stick with 32-bit Debian, is it true, that 64 bit software is less stable? |
| 23:06.57 | norc | dondelelcaro: all affected packages are completely corrupted: i.e. all files (with no exception) from those packages are binary and broken |
| 23:07.07 | squisher | EvilDin, desktop or server? |
| 23:07.12 | EvilDin | server |
| 23:07.14 | dondelelcaro | norc: what you indicated to me is that the index of files to physical disc location had been broken, and x-window-manager was pointing at some random location on the disk. |
| 23:07.30 | netdaemon | EvilDin, i wouldn't say x86_64 is an less stable than 32 bit |
| 23:07.33 | squisher | EvilDin, I don't think 64bit is less stable, but some desktop features don't quite work yet. For a server I'd go with 64bit |
| 23:07.44 | dondelelcaro | norc: what other files are showing this problem? [None of the alternatives are actually *in* packages, so...] |
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| 23:08.05 | norc | dondelelcaro: well, its a few weeks ago since I used apt last time, which was when I experienced the same problem |
| 23:08.10 | norc | I believe it was with all openbox files |
| 23:08.13 | norc | and two other packages |
| 23:08.22 | Archie1 | !tell wols about snd-hda-intel |
| 23:08.43 | dondelelcaro | norc: well, the error that you were giving me was only about the x-window-manager alternative, no other openbox files. |
| 23:08.54 | norc | dondelelcaro: because the openbox was long time ago |
| 23:09.06 | norc | dondelelcaro: I resolved that problem by manually deleting a lot of files ;) |
| 23:09.11 | RichiH | !find wx-config |
| 23:09.18 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'wx-config' (1): (/usr/share/apps/kdevappwizard/template-common/wx-configure.in) in kde/kdevelop-data. |
| 23:09.22 | norc | which was suggested by uhm .. *looks for the guilty one*... |
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| 23:09.35 | dondelelcaro | well, you shouldn't ever have to manually delete files. |
| 23:09.51 | norc | dondelelcaro: there was no other solution |
| 23:09.59 | wols | how to test a SOCKS proxy server via telnte? |
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| 23:10.01 | norc | dondelelcaro: once I deleted them I could purge the package with dpkg |
| 23:10.04 | norc | dondelelcaro: after that I could install them |
| 23:10.05 | norc | ;) |
| 23:10.25 | norc | and this is supposed to be stable *blah* |
| 23:10.45 | jack|Helium | hello, I have a laptop with an ATI rage pro mobility (agp 2x). Is there any chance someone can help me get dri and hardware graphics accelleration working? |
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| 23:11.17 | jack|Helium | I'm running debian lenny, custom kernel 2.6.22 |
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| 23:11.50 | themill | !tell jack|Helium about fglrx one-liner |
| 23:12.14 | chops | norc: IIRC, the WebDAV module for apache in woody couldn't be upgraded under some circumstances; if you had some specific other package installed, the upgrade would simply fail. "Stable" refers to lack of change, not to general quality and lack of crashing (although in general it works quite well). |
| 23:12.20 | jack|Helium | themill: this card is too old for fglrx |
| 23:12.31 | chops | norc: It got more entertaining once there was a security upgrade for the WebDAV package :-) |
| 23:12.38 | Archie1 | jack|Helium: you are the roxor then :-P |
| 23:12.40 | themill | jack|Helium: oh... what is it? |
| 23:12.54 | norc | chops: well, thats something different |
| 23:12.55 | jack|Helium | themill: it's supported by the ati xorg driver, and supposedly supports 3d/2d accelleration |
| 23:13.10 | jack|Helium | themill: rage pro mobility |
| 23:13.11 | norc | chops: if you have a bug that can cause random corruption in your packages it should be considered critical |
| 23:13.34 | themill | jack|Helium: ok... if you dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg and select the ati driver that should do it for you then. |
| 23:13.35 | norc | chops: imagine I would be upgrading the kernel and rebooting. on a business server this might end fatal |
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| 23:14.47 | jack|Helium | themill: that'll just reset my xorg.conf right? |
| 23:15.01 | themill | yep. That's all that should be required |
| 23:15.11 | chops | norc: Wait, you're running reiser, and getting corrupted files, and you're blaming the problem on Debian developers somehow? |
| 23:15.13 | chops | !reiser |
| 23:15.13 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, reiserfs is a journaling filesystem with pretty good performance and some interesting features. See http://www.namesys.com. It is wonderful and everyone loves it, until the axe falls and they lose data due to a crash. As such, it has a lot of ex-fans who are now sadder but wiser. See <ext3>, <xfs>, or <jfs> for safer filesystems. Like the DHARMA Initiative: government-sponsored, highly scientific and secretive. ... |
| 23:15.20 | themill | heh |
| 23:15.24 | jack|Helium | themill: I have the ati driver selected already, but I'll try it |
| 23:15.34 | norc | chops: no, the corruption was on my XFS |
| 23:15.35 | themill | jack|Helium: ok.... hang on then. |
| 23:15.57 | bucky | norc, you know hans reiser is on trial for killing his wife? |
| 23:16.04 | norc | chops: which isnt known to break only files from installed debian packages. |
| 23:16.11 | norc | bucky: didnt I say im on XFS? |
| 23:16.20 | jack|Helium | themill: I'm not entirely sure, but I think it's a mach64 chipset |
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| 23:16.46 | themill | jack|Helium: bah.... I can't get to my old radeon xorg.conf because we have a power cut at work and those files are backed up there..... :( what a faff.. |
| 23:17.10 | chops | norc: You said you were on Reiser, then when people laughed at you you said you were on XFS instead. I only read the first part, scrolling back up and skimming to try to see what problem you're talking about (I just rejoined after not paying attention for a while). |
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| 23:17.34 | bipolar | does anyone know a way to run a telnet server without using xinetd? I just need to run one from the command line to test something out. |
| 23:17.36 | bucky | norc, apt-get -f install if that doesn't straighten it out then you've been runnning mixed vesion packages |
| 23:17.41 | norc | chops: Well, I was confused, because I have to partitions, / is on XFS and /home on Reiser |
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| 23:17.48 | norc | chops: a few months back /home was XFS as well |
| 23:18.02 | chops | norc: Anyway, a symlink mysteriously starting to point to a totally wrong place sounds a lot like a filesystem bug and not a lot like a Debian bug. It's definitely a critical bug if you can track down what it is that's going wrong and what software might be causing it. |
| 23:18.02 | norc | bucky: I dont run mixed version packages. |
| 23:18.10 | norc | chops: hardlinks |
| 23:18.11 | sarixe | is there any such thing as a netinst for lenny on k7? |
| 23:18.13 | norc | chops: not symlinks |
| 23:18.24 | themill | !tell sarixe about install lenny |
| 23:18.27 | norc | a symlink would be invalid if there was no hardlink to point at |
| 23:18.28 | sarixe | thanks |
| 23:18.38 | dondelelcaro | norc: there's always another solution, but in any event, lets concentrate on the actual. What's the problem now? |
| 23:18.49 | norc | dondelelcaro: the symptom is fixed |
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| 23:18.57 | bucky | has anyone had any luck with the lenny installer.. last time it wouldn't boot for me |
| 23:18.57 | norc | dondelelcaro: the problem is that I dont know what caused this data corruption |
| 23:19.03 | jack|Helium | themill: the restricted driver manager wouldn't do it for me, would it? |
| 23:19.13 | norc | dondelelcaro: and in a few weeks my machine has to function as a high-load server |
| 23:19.19 | norc | dondelelcaro: which puts me in some pressure |
| 23:19.27 | themill | jack|Helium: umm... "restricted driver manager"? in debian or ubuntu? |
| 23:19.28 | dondelelcaro | norc: well, it's almost certainly something in between the hardware and the filesystem drivers. |
| 23:19.48 | dondelelcaro | norc: so, if you're concerned about this sort of thing, I wouldn't use reiser nor XFS, but ext2.. |
| 23:19.52 | Caemyr | does anyone know how long it takes to get new WINE ver into deb? |
| 23:20.05 | dondelelcaro | Caemyr: it takes as long as it takes the maintainer to do it. |
| 23:20.12 | norc | Caemyr: use wine-git, this will solve your problem ;) |
| 23:20.16 | dondelelcaro | !+maint wine |
| 23:20.17 | dpkg | Updating debian files... please wait. |
| 23:20.22 | chops | Caemyr: Sooner if you help :-) |
| 23:20.22 | dpkg | wine: Ove Kaaven <ovek@arcticnet.no> |
| 23:20.26 | dondelelcaro | Caemyr: if you want it to happen faster, the wine maintainer teams are always looking for assistance. |
| 23:20.32 | norc | dondelelcaro: I would prefer XFS much better :| |
| 23:20.45 | chops | norc: Why do you prefer XFS? |
| 23:20.46 | dondelelcaro | norc: any reason why? |
| 23:21.09 | themill | Caemyr: the wine packages for dapper from winehq are able to be used with debian etch. deb http://wine.budgetdedicated.com/apt dapper main |
| 23:21.15 | norc | Well, the answer would cause most probably some flame-war, which is not my intention. |
| 23:21.15 | dondelelcaro | norc: it's no where near as tested as ext2, and in common use cases, there's not a huge deal of performance difference. |
| 23:21.20 | PDani | is there somewhere a vlc and ffmpeg deb which support flv streaming? |
| 23:21.33 | Caemyr | sorry:) still too novice for it |
| 23:21.39 | BudgetDedicated | I heard my name |
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| 23:21.46 | BudgetDedicated | o never mind ;) |
| 23:21.50 | Caemyr | i was only considering between using package and building it myself |
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| 23:21.53 | norc | dondelelcaro: maybe that will have to be my option :| |
| 23:22.05 | norc | dondelelcaro: although I'll try to keep that as a last resort of action |
| 23:22.08 | themill | Caemyr: I wouldn't normally advise going anywhere near ub*ntu stuff, but the wine packages have improved a lot since the ones that are in etch or in etch/backports |
| 23:22.13 | dondelelcaro | norc: *shrug* |
| 23:22.39 | ZOP | is there any easy way to cross compile for 32bit etch from 64bit etch when building packages? I need to build some multi-arch packages, but really, don't know how using dpkg-buildpackage and the like.... |
| 23:22.52 | Caemyr | themil: i`m not even thinking about using ubuntu pkg |
| 23:22.55 | Archie1 | when i run alsamixer i get the following error: alsamixer: function snd_ctl_open failed for default: No such device , i already ran alsaconf and /etc/init.d/alsa reload |
| 23:23.14 | Archie1 | and i am doing this as root |
| 23:23.16 | chops | ZOP: You could install a 32-bit chroot and compile from there |
| 23:23.17 | themill | Caemyr: are you using debian stable (a.k.a etch)? |
| 23:23.19 | ZOP | i mean i can manually cobble it all together and push it into my local repository but how the heck can i automate that on a single build host? rather than having ot build for the 32bit on oen machine and the 64bit for another. |
| 23:23.20 | Archie1 | so what else can be the problem? |
| 23:23.31 | Caemyr | themill: yes |
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| 23:23.54 | BudgetDedicated | Caemyr: the packages offered on our repo (see above) is 0.9.50 |
| 23:24.09 | Caemyr | oh? |
| 23:24.14 | ZOP | chops: but that still doesn't get me the package details file ssigned/etc that i need to include into my automated repository stuff... so i have ot build two different *versions* to get two different archs because they're not in the same signed upload. |
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| 23:24.23 | themill | Caemyr: in that case, the wine package will *never* change no matter how long you wait. You can go to backports.org and get a slightly newer package, or use the budgetdedicated ones that I mentioned earlier and get even newer ones. |
| 23:24.39 | Archie1 | wols? |
| 23:24.50 | Caemyr | i just checked synaptic and there was no update over 0.9.49 |
| 23:24.53 | Caemyr | wait a sec |
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| 23:25.10 | ZOP | i mean the good part is i'm not (for the time being) doing anything as exotic as amd64 compiling for SPARC heh. |
| 23:25.10 | dondelelcaro | ZOP: uh... you just build the same version on different architectures, and only upload the architecture dependent stuff on the secondary architectures. |
| 23:25.25 | dondelelcaro | ZOP: which architecture you compile upon is kind of irrelevant |
| 23:25.27 | wols | Archie1: there is no working driver for your soundcard |
| 23:25.52 | Archie1 | wols: i thought "doesnt work" is a non-useful statment.. |
| 23:25.53 | themill | BudgetDedicated: I only see 0.9.49 available.... have you got 0.9.50 somewhere? |
| 23:25.54 | Archie1 | :-P |
| 23:25.54 | Caemyr | themill: i was sure i`ll be informed if new version hits budgetdedicated |
| 23:25.56 | chops | Caemyr: If you run stable, your software will be as old as the stable release (often a year or more). The only alternative would be to update stable more frequently, in which case it wouldn't be stable. |
| 23:25.56 | ZOP | it is since i don't know how to get the tools to do a cross compile which is what i have to do here heh. |
| 23:26.10 | dondelelcaro | ZOP: why do you need to cross compile? |
| 23:26.13 | ZOP | i know how to do a cross compile, thats not hard :) but i have no clue how to make dpkg-* do it. |
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| 23:26.21 | ZOP | because i have 32bit and 64bit machines. |
| 23:26.26 | Caemyr | chops: its only relevant for some apps, like clam |
| 23:26.26 | dondelelcaro | ZOP: so? |
| 23:26.27 | wols | Archie1: how can I give proper error descriptions of YOUR setup? do I sit at that PC or you? |
| 23:26.34 | ZOP | so some run i386 and others run amd64. |
| 23:26.37 | sarixe | would it be a terrible idea to install a multi-arch lenny? |
| 23:26.38 | BudgetDedicated | check http://wine.budgetdedicated.com/ |
| 23:26.44 | sarixe | (and what is multi-arch like?) |
| 23:26.51 | dondelelcaro | ZOP: compile for each on an amd64, the i386 in a 32 bit chroot. |
| 23:26.54 | TrueDD | Good night all |
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| 23:27.08 | winer | hey |
| 23:27.13 | chops | ZOP: If you're currently compiling on two separate machines, you can do precisely what you're doing on the 32-bit machine in the 32-bit chroot. I don't understand what you're talking about with "the package details file ssigned/etc that i need to include into my automated repository stuff" that could be impossible in a chroot. |
| 23:27.14 | Archie1 | wols: well i ran m-a a-i alsa and it didnt help.. |
| 23:27.19 | ZOP | nevermind i need to find some package maintainers. i dont' think anyone here understands how dpkg works any better than i do. |
| 23:27.24 | Archie1 | wols: thats what dpkgs suggested |
| 23:27.30 | dondelelcaro | ZOP: uh... who exactly do you think you're talking to? |
| 23:27.34 | chops | ZOP: I can almost promise you that this is incorrect :-) |
| 23:27.42 | Archie1 | wols: what error messages do you need? |
| 23:27.45 | wols | Archie1: as you already deduced by yourself: get a newer alsa |
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| 23:27.59 | themill | BudgetDedicated: there aren't any 0.9.50 packages for etch there. |
| 23:28.00 | Archie1 | wols: well the same thing happens then |
| 23:28.15 | Archie1 | wols: how can i install the newest alsa with apt or m-a? |
| 23:28.23 | wols | Archie1: yiz cabbit |
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| 23:28.26 | Archie1 | compiling it manually doesnt seem to work |
| 23:28.28 | wols | you cannot |
| 23:28.28 | dondelelcaro | (it's not like the names and IRC nicknames of Debian Developers are secret) |
| 23:28.47 | rahul | dondelelcaro: some of them are! |
| 23:28.48 | Archie1 | wols: maybe the backports have it? |
| 23:28.52 | rahul | THE CABAL! |
| 23:28.56 | Archie1 | but then it breaks the other pkgs :( |
| 23:28.58 | wols | maybe but I dunno |
| 23:29.04 | dondelelcaro | rahul: well, some of them who haven't bothered to enter their nicks into the db, I guess. |
| 23:29.10 | wols | why would a backport break other packages? |
| 23:29.16 | winer | Hey guys, i have a noise (look at the following output) |
| 23:29.17 | winer | fixme:system:SystemParametersInfoW Unimplemented action: 8193 (SPI_SETFOREGROUNDLOCKTIMEOUT) |
| 23:29.18 | wols | it's the point of a backport not to break something |
| 23:29.19 | winer | epoll_ctl: Operation not permitted |
| 23:29.21 | winer | err:ddraw:DDRAW_Create Couldn't load WineD3D - OpenGL libs not present? |
| 23:29.22 | rahul | dondelelcaro: why attribute to laziness what you can attribute to malice?! |
| 23:29.24 | sarixe | themill : i checked that link you sent. so there are no k7 install cds? |
| 23:29.24 | chops | dondelelcaro: Yes, but are the dpkg developers _themselves_ currently signed into IRC and actively helping ZOP? He'll accept nothing but the best, you realize :-) |
| 23:29.40 | winer | any ideaL |
| 23:29.42 | winer | ? |
| 23:29.56 | squisher | hmm, seems like my tex doesn't know how to handle eps files... anyone know what package I need to install? |
| 23:30.02 | wols | winer: does hardware accelerated 3D work in X itself? |
| 23:30.04 | Archie1 | wols: oh well i just thought and heard from someone in hear that a lot of pkgs depend on the etch version of alsa.. |
| 23:30.10 | winer | wols: boh |
| 23:30.11 | dondelelcaro | squisher: it'll handle eps files with just the texlive stuff. What's the problem? |
| 23:30.19 | winer | wols: how can i check it? |
| 23:30.26 | wols | winer: glxinfo |
| 23:30.30 | BudgetDedicated | themill: the packages are the same for etch and the others |
| 23:30.31 | rahul | squisher: TeX doesn't support eps, correct... dvips, pdflatex, etc, support eps |
| 23:30.34 | winer | wols: i haven't that tool |
| 23:30.42 | sarixe | O.o |
| 23:30.43 | wols | !tell winer about installit |
| 23:30.43 | winer | wols: let me install it |
| 23:30.55 | squisher | dondelelcaro, have a relatively fresh install, trying to compile a .tex with rubber that has an includegraphics foo.ps, but it complains |
| 23:31.00 | dondelelcaro | well, tex supports eps, it just doesn't do anything intelligent with it. |
| 23:31.06 | Caemyr | BudgetDedicated: i have your wine repo and its still 0.9.49 there |
| 23:31.08 | rahul | squisher: how are you trying to compile it? |
| 23:31.17 | squisher | rahul, with rubber |
| 23:31.20 | dondelelcaro | squisher: what is the error mesage? what is the tex file? what is the ps file? |
| 23:31.23 | rahul | rubber? |
| 23:31.30 | dondelelcaro | rahul: yeah, it's a neat command. |
| 23:31.35 | rahul | dondelelcaro: what does it do? |
| 23:31.53 | dondelelcaro | rahul: it runs latex foo.tex enough, (or pdflatex enough times) bibtex if required, etc. |
| 23:31.56 | squisher | dondelelcaro, Unknown graphics extension: .eps |
| 23:32.09 | rahul | dondelelcaro: oh, I have makefiles for that |
| 23:32.18 | winer | wols: okay, i have the tool |
| 23:32.20 | squisher | rahul, rubber is just easier to setup |
| 23:32.22 | BudgetDedicated | Caemyr: I see now sorry i was looking at the wrong line ;) Getting late here. anywasy it is not 'my' repo it is maintained by the wine people themselves, we just host it |
| 23:32.22 | dondelelcaro | rahul: yeah, but figuring out how many times to run latex gets annoying |
| 23:32.25 | rahul | heh |
| 23:32.27 | winer | wols: what you need to know? |
| 23:32.37 | rahul | yeah, it's probably an improvement over what I have |
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| 23:32.37 | dondelelcaro | rahul: I just have my makefiles run rubber |
| 23:32.47 | themill | BudgetDedicated: thanks for the hosting then :) |
| 23:32.51 | squisher | rahul, I've used those makefiles before, but I had situations where they failed, and rubber ran fine |
| 23:32.52 | Caemyr | yeah, it was just a mental shortcut |
| 23:32.53 | dondelelcaro | squisher: are you building dvi? or pdfs? |
| 23:33.03 | squisher | dondelelcaro, pdf |
| 23:33.18 | dondelelcaro | squisher: and are you using \usepackage{graphicx} ? |
| 23:33.20 | ZOP | sorry for idling still mopping up heinlein |
| 23:33.21 | themill | squisher: are you running pdflatex? |
| 23:33.27 | squisher | dondelelcaro, yeah, I have that |
| 23:33.28 | ZOP | poor machine just deadlocked. |
| 23:33.29 | rahul | squisher: pdftex doesn't support embedding ps, I think |
| 23:33.36 | dondelelcaro | rahul: it does, actually. |
| 23:33.52 | squisher | rahul, if I remeber correctly, rubber used to translate it to pdf beforehand, automatically :) |
| 23:33.52 | dondelelcaro | squisher: ok, can you put up your .tex and .ps somewhere? [minimal versions that show the problem, ideally.] |
| 23:33.53 | rahul | hmm, I remember having to convert using ps2pdf first |
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| 23:34.11 | dondelelcaro | hrm... actually, I could be wrong |
| 23:34.15 | rahul | squisher: heh, one more manual step automated :) |
| 23:34.20 | ZOP | the problem is i need to build everything in a single go. because i need a *signed* changes file |
| 23:34.22 | themill | squisher: \usepackage[dvips]{graphicx} ? |
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| 23:34.29 | BudgetDedicated | themill: are you involved with wine ? |
| 23:34.39 | themill | BudgetDedicated: only as an end user :) |
| 23:34.42 | ZOP | i can't upload one changes file then another to the automated tool here. |
| 23:34.43 | dondelelcaro | I think all of my figure directories have %.ps: %.eps... %.eps: %.pdf... |
| 23:34.54 | rahul | dondelelcaro: yeah |
| 23:35.00 | ZOP | and up until etch everything here was 32bit. |
| 23:35.01 | dondelelcaro | ZOP: you create one signed changes file for each architecture, of course. |
| 23:35.03 | squisher | dondelelcaro, but it used to work just fine on my prev. install :-\ |
| 23:35.19 | dondelelcaro | squisher: you probably had already converted it to pdf or something, or were using dvips |
| 23:35.34 | dondelelcaro | squisher: but if you give us the .tex and .ps, I'll be able to see what is going on |
| 23:35.39 | ZOP | dondelelcaro: and then the automated tool removes the conflicting changes file. since their versions are the same. |
| 23:35.50 | squisher | dondelelcaro, give me a sec, trying something, then I'll upload a shrinked example |
| 23:35.51 | dondelelcaro | ZOP: what automated tool? |
| 23:35.55 | ZOP | reprepro |
| 23:35.59 | dondelelcaro | hahahaha |
| 23:36.03 | ZOP | leaving me with only the latest arch. |
| 23:36.36 | ZOP | well if thats so funny, wht the hell would you use? thats the only one that i've found that's even usable. |
| 23:36.43 | ZOP | mini-dinstall is too dumb and brainless. |
| 23:37.06 | squisher | dondelelcaro, something is missing on my system, because a file I used to compile automatically with rubber doesn't do it anymore right now. Let me upload the example though |
| 23:37.07 | themill | sarixe: you can use the i386 netinst image and then load a k7 kernel. |
| 23:37.09 | dondelelcaro | ZOP: anyway, show us your .changes file |
| 23:37.20 | karsten | dondelelcaro: Do you like um? |
| 23:37.21 | sarixe | themill: that's what i thought. thanks |
| 23:37.26 | dondelelcaro | ZOP: the .dsc, orig.tar.gz, and .diff.gz would be useful. |
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| 23:37.37 | dondelelcaro | karsten: I'm much more of an "uh" person. ;-) |
| 23:37.40 | themill | sarixe: np :) |
| 23:37.48 | sarixe | er... the link from that page gives me an empty folder though |
| 23:37.48 | karsten | dondelelcaro: Dude! |
| 23:37.52 | ZOP | http://pastebin.ca/808861 |
| 23:37.55 | ZOP | pre-signing. |
| 23:38.03 | ZOP | if i build over ont eh 64bit host |
| 23:38.09 | ZOP | i end up with a changes file without the i386 stuff |
| 23:38.12 | ZOP | obviously. |
| 23:38.22 | dondelelcaro | ZOP: and the amd64 changes file? |
| 23:38.26 | ZOP | then when i upload everything it clobbers one or the other. |
| 23:38.27 | themill | sarixe: shouldn't do... http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/daily-builds/daily/arch-latest/i386/iso-cd/debian-testing-i386-netinst.iso |
| 23:38.38 | ZOP | same thing except theres a amd64 deb |
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| 23:38.50 | sarixe | themill: that worked, thanks |
| 23:38.56 | themill | ;) |
| 23:39.03 | dondelelcaro | ZOP: you should only have _amd64.deb in the amd64 changes file. |
| 23:39.32 | dondelelcaro | ZOP: only the *first* upload should have source; all subsequent builds should be built with dpkg-buildpackage -B or its equivalent, and should only contain architecture specific packages. |
| 23:40.04 | ZOP | so there's no automated way to generate a changes file with multiple archs, you have to do it manually and add in the extra archs. |
| 23:40.15 | dashs | Best method of obtaining the list of files (config, exec, data) associated with an installed package? |
| 23:40.15 | dondelelcaro | ZOP: you don't ever build a changes file with multiple archs. |
| 23:40.17 | sarixe | themill: the page you sent me links to weekly-builds, not daily-builds |
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| 23:40.40 | sarixe | themill: nevermind, i clicked the wrong link |
| 23:40.53 | ZOP | alright i guess i'll have to stick with manually inserting the extra arches then. fuck. |
| 23:40.54 | dondelelcaro | ZOP: because in general, the changes files don't see eachother, aren't necessarily built at the same time, by the same person, and definetly not on the same machine. |
| 23:40.55 | squisher | dondelelcaro, http://digamma.cs.unm.edu/dmohr/ex.tar , try to compile with 'rubber -d ex.tex' |
| 23:40.56 | ZOP | too much damned work. |
| 23:41.10 | ZOP | i wish there were decent repo management tools. |
| 23:41.16 | dondelelcaro | ZOP: eh? Just build with dpkg-buildpackage -B on amd64, and upload the package. |
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| 23:41.29 | ZOP | like i said, reprepro then clobbers the "missing" stuff. |
| 23:41.36 | dondelelcaro | ZOP: not if you build them properly. |
| 23:41.39 | ZOP | because it's the same version. |
| 23:41.45 | dondelelcaro | ZOP: so? |
| 23:41.55 | dondelelcaro | ZOP: your problem is you're uploading a *source* package twice. |
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| 23:42.20 | dondelelcaro | ZOP: if you build with dpkg-buildpackage -B or its equivalent, it should work. [If it doesn't, file a bug.] |
| 23:42.22 | zenwryly | Can anyone reccomend a tool for low level network testing? I have some wierd socket behaviour (hanging until timeout) and I want to determine if it's the app or the hardware/OS. |
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| 23:42.33 | dondelelcaro | zenwryly: try telnet or nc |
| 23:42.55 | dondelelcaro | (if you need to go lower than that, you can inject custom packets, but that's usually not required) |
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| 23:43.36 | zenwryly | dondelelcaro: yeah, I have. I was hoping for a test suite or something written by someone who knows more than me. |
| 23:43.41 | dondelelcaro | ZOP: this sort of thing is precisely what our buildd network does every day, all day, so it's not exactly novel. |
| 23:44.15 | zenwryly | dondelelcaro: been scratching my head trying to figure out how to get useful information out of a script and netcat and it seems like surely people who know more have had to do this before. |
| 23:44.50 | dondelelcaro | zenwryly: what in particular are you testing? |
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| 23:45.24 | ZOP | dondelelcaro: AH OK thats what i wasn't freaking getting. the presence of the source causes a different behaviour. BLARGH. |
| 23:45.43 | ZOP | ok i'm better. |
| 23:45.44 | dondelelcaro | uh... it's nothing to do with reprepro |
| 23:45.44 | ZOP | ish. |
| 23:46.05 | dondelelcaro | it should just REJECT the new uploads, but it thinks that you know what you're doing, so it does it. |
| 23:46.20 | themill | squisher: http://www.tex.ac.uk/cgi-bin/texfaq2html?label=unkgrfextn |
| 23:47.16 | zenwryly | dondelelcaro: The app uses a TCP socket and freezes for a long time and then emmits a socket timeout error. The software should be fairly fault taulerant and is accordign to many users. But in this particular environment (where there have been multiple other little network problems) the software *freezes* while the socket times out. |
| 23:47.33 | squisher | themill, thanks, but I still don't understand... I specified .eps, because otherwise it didn't find the graphics file... so I know something is missing on my system, because this used to work just fine on my prev. installation |
| 23:47.58 | zenwryly | dondelelcaro: I need something to establish sufficiently where the problem is before I can convince the ($&*#^%$##*@) ISP to look into their network. |
| 23:48.25 | themill | squisher: I'm no latex guru (perhaps ask in #latex) but I always run epstopdf or use natively generated pdfs when using pdflatex. |
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| 23:49.24 | ZOP | zenwryly: sounds liek either packet loss or a deadlock scenario..... |
| 23:49.30 | themill | !wb abrotman |
| 23:49.31 | dpkg | O frabjous day! Callooh! Callay! abrotman has returned! |
| 23:49.39 | abrotman | hi |
| 23:50.26 | zenwryly | ZOP: how might I establish that? |
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| 23:51.23 | jack|Helium | themill: I in debian lenny (didn't notice that that wasn't there, I didn't know it was unique to ubuntu...) |
| 23:51.37 | jack|Helium | themill: from way up there.... |
| 23:51.37 | dondelelcaro | squisher: do you have ps2eps and epstopdf? |
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| 23:51.52 | Cusoon959 | In IceWeasel, text on bash.org looks very odd. |
| 23:51.58 | jack|Helium | themill: I guess in that case, it wont do it... |
| 23:52.00 | ZOP | zenwryly: haveyou tried any basic diagnostics, like ping, traceroute, etc? have you tried running the app under strace so you can see the system calls, and their returns (it will be rather noisy mind you but you can look at the error the kernel is returning) if the socket really is returning a timeout you'll be able to see it in strace. if the app just isn't dealing well with latency you won't see any errors come up from the kernel to the a |
| 23:52.00 | ZOP | pp |
| 23:52.01 | Tramp | zenwryly: Well, I'd start with a tcpdump, preferably on both ends. Include layer2 headers. Check e.g. for extensive retransmits, failing arp etc. |
| 23:52.01 | squisher | dondelelcaro, hmm, I have ps2pdfi but that's it |
| 23:52.15 | themill | jack|Helium: good guess ;) |
| 23:52.16 | dondelelcaro | squisher: make sure you have texlive-extra-utils installed |
| 23:52.20 | Cusoon959 | Want a screenshot? |
| 23:52.24 | ZOP | cpdump is another good tool too. |
| 23:52.29 | ZOP | or wireshark. |
| 23:52.35 | squisher | dondelelcaro, I didn't, thanks for the hint |
| 23:52.48 | dondelelcaro | squisher: I don't know if that'd cause it, but it's worth starting with |
| 23:53.01 | dondelelcaro | squisher: you probably want most of the texlive packages installed anyway, if you're going to be doing serious work with tex |
| 23:53.14 | squisher | dondelelcaro, yeah, is there some meta package for that |
| 23:53.18 | squisher | ? |
| 23:53.39 | themill | dondelelcaro: eep... doing that wants to remove kile and lots of other things.... much badness under etch |
| 23:53.39 | squisher | dondelelcaro, yeah, rubber does the conversion automatically now! =) |
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| 23:53.54 | jack|Helium | themill: could it be that I'm using xorg and not xfree86 |
| 23:53.56 | dondelelcaro | squisher: not that I know of |
| 23:54.15 | dondelelcaro | squisher: but you pretty much can just install most things that start with texlive |
| 23:54.47 | zenwryly | Tramp: yup, and that's where you leave me in the dust. :) I guess the answer is no, there is no software out there encapsulating such wisdom for those lacking it. |
| 23:54.50 | squisher | dondelelcaro, yeah of course (am just being lazy (; ) |
| 23:55.12 | abrotman | jack|Helium: X -version |
| 23:55.14 | squisher | dondelelcaro, themill: thanks for all the help |
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| 23:55.35 | jack|Helium | abrotman ? |
| 23:55.42 | squisher | themill, so now that I have the right package installed (texlive-extra-utils), rubber will automatically convert my .eps to a .pdf for me, which I think is pretty neat |
| 23:55.45 | abrotman | jack|Helium: it will show you which X you're using |
| 23:55.55 | jack|Helium | ahh. ok |
| 23:56.05 | themill | squisher: nice. have to be happy about that. |
| 23:56.15 | Tramp | zenwryly: not to my knowledge. Depending on the complexitiy of the problem, you may need rather sound knowledge of network protocols. But that's not something a tool can replace. |
| 23:56.15 | jack|Helium | abrotman: didn't reasize it was a command |
| 23:56.42 | jack|Helium | abrotman: 1.3.0 |
| 23:56.51 | abrotman | that's xorg |
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| 23:57.02 | zenwryly | Tramp: yeah, that's what I was afraid of. Thanks just the same |
| 23:57.04 | jack|Helium | abrotman: that's what I figured |
| 23:57.07 | gonzaloaf | hi,. where can I download the last lenny iso cd? |
| 23:57.13 | gonzaloaf | from? |
| 23:57.20 | abrotman | gonzaloaf: only netinst currently i think |
| 23:57.33 | themill | !tell gonzaloaf about installing lenny |
| 23:57.34 | jack|Helium | so does anyone know how to get mach64 DRI working? |
| 23:57.45 | abrotman | can mach64 do dri ? |
| 23:58.00 | gonzaloaf | abrotman, I dont know why the netinst freezes when running taskel |
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| 23:58.10 | abrotman | gonzaloaf: so use etch |
| 23:58.19 | gonzaloaf | abrotman, I want lenny |
| 23:58.31 | themill | gonzaloaf: install etch then upgrade? |
| 23:58.51 | abrotman | gonzaloaf: no kidding .. |
| 23:58.52 | gonzaloaf | themill, yes I will have to do that... no choice |
| 23:58.57 | abrotman | good plan |
| 23:59.22 | themill | gonzaloaf: but please file a bug with the details of how it failed. |
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| 23:59.31 | gonzaloaf | okl |
| 23:59.35 | abrotman | grav |
| 23:59.36 | abrotman | bah |
| 23:59.46 | jack|Helium | It seems I dont have the mach64 module... |
| 23:59.56 | abrotman | mach64 doesn't do DRI |
