| 00:00.47 | the_lalelu | no need for cygwin - just install a bash via a windows installer. SFU even brings you bsd_pkg. look here = http://www.interopcommunity.com/warehouse.htm |
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| 00:00.52 | bucky | douchebag, is that a usb drive? |
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| 00:01.14 | douchebag | bucky: yes its a external usb hdd |
| 00:01.26 | bucky | douchebag, your drivers loaded for it? |
| 00:01.37 | bucky | lsusb |
| 00:01.50 | douchebag | does gparted not creat a journal sytem when you format to ext3? if so what is the command to make a journal filesys on /dev/sdc1 |
| 00:02.00 | douchebag | thats the reason im thinking this is happening |
| 00:02.47 | bucky | douchebag, and it really shows up in ls /media as Seagate? |
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| 00:03.04 | RichiH | douchebag: if it is ext3, it has a journal |
| 00:03.17 | Tramp | douchebag: you have to make a filesystem on the device with mkfs |
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| 00:03.39 | Tramp | douchebag: mkfs.ext3 if you want ext3 |
| 00:03.49 | douchebag | RichiH: the extent of me making it ext3 is just when i formatted to ext3 in gparted... thats it... but i do remember using a command to make a journal on ext2 partitions to convert to ext3... maybe i need to do that again? |
| 00:04.15 | the_lalelu | douchebag: man tune2fs |
| 00:04.20 | RichiH | tune2fs -J /dev/foo |
| 00:04.22 | douchebag | that might be it |
| 00:04.29 | the_lalelu | RichiH: -j not -J |
| 00:04.36 | the_lalelu | iirc |
| 00:05.06 | the_lalelu | -J is for the journal options |
| 00:05.47 | RichiH | the_lalelu: ah, or that |
| 00:06.06 | karmatronic | is there a rapid way to get back default font ? |
| 00:07.18 | PerfDave | karmatronic: Which default font? Please provide more detail. |
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| 00:11.05 | stopher2 | Okay, I can't get xserver running on my 3Dfx Interactive, Inc Voodoo (rev 01) video card. |
| 00:11.19 | stopher2 | I've tried tutorial after tutorial online :) |
| 00:11.54 | ^Timo^ | ok guys another question : http://pastebin.com/d5d9e449f thats the list from fdisk with avalible volume formats can someone advice which volume is good and useable for only store data uploading and downloading from the hdd ? stream disk... |
| 00:11.58 | bytekode | old hardware is oooooooold |
| 00:12.13 | ^Timo^ | the hdd is 140gb in bytes |
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| 00:12.39 | stopher2 | My other driver is an intel - and it doesn't work :) this graphic card worked fine before i had to reformat |
| 00:13.03 | PerfDave | ^Timo^: Uhm, what are you actually trying to do? You shouldn't be dicking around with fdisk partition types yourself. |
| 00:13.17 | RichiH | ^Timo^: pretty much what PerfDave said |
| 00:13.23 | douchebag | bucky, RichiH, Tramp, the_lalelu, yes it was the tune2fs journalling command i was missing.. i am able to mount /dev/sdc1 now |
| 00:13.40 | RichiH | ^Timo^: if you want to install linux, choose 83, for swap, choose 82 |
| 00:13.43 | RichiH | diregard all else |
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| 00:14.07 | Vasistha | ^Timo^: you wanted that formatted to windows computers can use it, right? |
| 00:14.20 | ^Timo^ | RichiH : no its a'n extra hdd that i only want to use for store data for uploading and downloading.. :) |
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| 00:14.33 | ^Timo^ | no |
| 00:14.34 | ^Timo^ | linux |
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| 00:15.03 | Vasistha | ^Timo^: oh ... maybe it was someone else who was in here asking about a usb drive. I'd use ext2 or ext3, but debian supports some other file systems, too |
| 00:15.12 | ^Timo^ | PerfDave : why shouldn't i ? |
| 00:15.27 | ^Timo^ | yes. |
| 00:15.41 | RichiH | ^Timo^: mostly, because you don't need to |
| 00:15.52 | ^Timo^ | i want to know which one is good and usable to store data and streaming files |
| 00:16.03 | RichiH | ^Timo^: if you just want it for linux, i would choose 83 and xfs |
| 00:16.04 | ^Timo^ | i need to RichiH. |
| 00:16.15 | ^Timo^ | the hdd is empty needs to be formated |
| 00:16.16 | Vasistha | ^Timo^: in any case, you're going to want 83 |
| 00:16.41 | the_lalelu | ^Timo^: if you wanne a rock solid fs - use ext3. |
| 00:16.48 | PerfDave | ^Timo^: Becuase it's unnecessary and complicaed :) |
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| 00:18.28 | ^Timo^ | okay. |
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| 00:18.39 | DrCortex | how do I burn the debian ISO to a CD |
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| 00:19.17 | DrCortex | any good programs I could use |
| 00:19.42 | ^Timo^ | whats the command for formating /dev/hdb/ i first need to clear the bytes. ;p ps is there a zero format util for debian linux ? |
| 00:19.45 | ^Timo^ | that i can use ? |
| 00:19.53 | RichiH | DrCortex: k3b |
| 00:20.11 | Kamping_Kaiser | ^Timo^, shred |
| 00:20.13 | RichiH | ^Timo^: dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/foo |
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| 00:20.43 | RichiH | ^Timo^: you do not need to zero out the disk just to format it, though |
| 00:21.27 | ^Timo^ | yes. but i want to be sure that all existed data on that drive is cleaned |
| 00:21.44 | Vasistha | DrCortex: for windows? |
| 00:22.15 | DrCortex | ya |
| 00:22.18 | DrCortex | windows 98 |
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| 00:22.37 | DrCortex | I'm going to install debian to my laptop |
| 00:22.51 | ^Timo^ | no no. |
| 00:23.19 | DrCortex | what? |
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| 00:23.53 | RichiH | DrCortex: the ubuntu wiki links an open source windows CD burning tool |
| 00:24.03 | RichiH | DrCortex: i forgot the name, though |
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| 00:25.20 | stopher2 | Okay, I can't get xserver running on my 3Dfx Interactive, Inc Voodoo (rev 01) video card. The error message is "EE No devices detected" or "No screens detected." |
| 00:25.52 | PerfDave | ^Timo^: If you want to securely delete a disk partition or full drive, look at GNU shred. |
| 00:27.05 | bytekode | shred is awesome ^ |
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| 00:29.27 | elmo40 | anyone know how to auto-move a file when it gets stored in a directory? eg: *.txt is dont downloading into the default download directory, but since it is a .txt i want it in the /Documents/ directory. Any way to do this? |
| 00:29.54 | elmo40 | cron a bash script to check every n-minutes and move files? |
| 00:30.28 | DeathWolf | does anyone know of a proper way to properly include apr_dbd_mysql.c in apache2? since the apache2 maintainer does not put it in(probably some stupid licensing issue) |
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| 00:30.34 | elmo40 | s/dont/done >_< |
| 00:31.28 | DeathWolf | (some reference over it: http://bahumbug.wordpress.com/2006/12/18/apacheaprmysql-packaging/ ) |
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| 00:32.19 | justus | hello. is there something similar to fs_usage (http://developer.apple.com/documentation/Darwin/Reference/ManPages/man1/fs_usage.1.html) for linux? |
| 00:32.52 | elmo40 | df ? |
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| 00:33.06 | bytekode | lol |
| 00:33.07 | DeathWolf | this whole dbd mysql licence issue is really stupid... |
| 00:33.18 | DeathWolf | it's the worst of the oss world at work:/ |
| 00:33.37 | bytekode | lots of stuff in the oss world is stupid, unfortunately |
| 00:33.42 | elmo40 | bytekode: ya, wrong one... didnt read the site before i made a 'guess' as to what fs_usage was :P |
| 00:33.45 | bytekode | but it beats the alternative |
| 00:34.16 | justus | elmo40: fs_usage displays the disk usage live, so df is not what i'm searching for. but thanks anyway |
| 00:34.54 | PerfDave | justus: vmstat may do what you want. |
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| 00:35.43 | ddalton | hi, could someone give me a howto so I can learn how to make a .deb package? |
| 00:35.52 | Tramp | justus: echo "1" >/proc/sys/vm/block_dump then cat /proc/kmesg - I think this is the closest you can get. |
| 00:35.57 | ddalton | I built my first package from source last night and want to make a .deb |
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| 00:36.13 | wols_ | &tell ddalton about nm |
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| 00:36.49 | DeathWolf | now I'm going to have to hack and butcher config files again |
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| 00:37.03 | dureyes | can someone recomend an easy way to install the flash player? I have installed flashplugin non-free but keep getting a message not installed at the end?? |
| 00:37.53 | justus | Tramp: thanks, that'll work |
| 00:37.58 | Tramp | np |
| 00:38.39 | ddalton | so how do I create one? Or have I missed the reply? |
| 00:39.06 | PerfDave | ddalton: /msg dpkg nm |
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| 00:40.41 | ddalton | hey can a human tell me? |
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| 00:40.52 | flux_ | hello, i'm looking for a postfix-dkim-filter user... is there anybody who have this configuration and help me to understand why i have an error please ? |
| 00:41.16 | PerfDave | ddalton: Look on http://www.debian.org/ for packaging documentation? |
| 00:42.35 | wols_ | &anyone use postfix-dkim-filter |
| 00:42.35 | aptitude | No, no one uses postfix-dkim-filter, not even the people who use it. |
| 00:42.53 | flux_ | :) |
| 00:43.19 | flux_ | that's explain all :) |
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| 00:46.44 | stopher | Okay, I can't get xserver running on my 3Dfx Interactive, Inc Voodoo (rev 01) video card. The error message is "EE No devices detected" or "No screens detected." |
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| 00:52.48 | mbroeker | stopher, check dpkg -l | grep xserver-xorg-video and if the output contains your driver for that card, reconfigure it |
| 00:54.15 | dotCOMmie | anyone know where kdm stores autologin passwords? |
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| 00:57.47 | sorear | dotCOMmie: I'm guessing it doesn't use one |
| 00:58.06 | sorear | dotCOMmie: kdm runs as root, so it can assume the identity of any user freely |
| 00:58.21 | dotCOMmie | sorear: right, didnt think of that |
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| 01:01.56 | peter__ | how to check what version of alsa do I have ? |
| 01:02.11 | peter__ | dpkg -l alsa show no info |
| 01:02.25 | peter__ | it says it is installed but no wersion and info is given |
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| 01:02.30 | Vasistha | peter__: dpkg -l '*alsa*' |
| 01:02.59 | peter__ | Vasistha, ok thanks |
| 01:03.34 | Vasistha | that reminds me of a question... if I'm using alsa, can I ditch arts? or does kde still need it somehow? |
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| 01:03.52 | PerfDave | Vasistha: You can tell aRts to use ALSA as a backend |
| 01:04.06 | PerfDave | Vasistha: In which case aRts will be doing much less stuff in software, leaving it up to ALSA. |
| 01:04.06 | stopher2 | mbroeker: It has VMware display driver- VOODOO |
| 01:04.15 | engla | hm. i need a guide for installing debian that doesn't require me to burn more than 1-2 cds |
| 01:04.18 | mbroeker | Vasistha, artsd needs to be installed, but it doesnt need to run! |
| 01:04.31 | Vasistha | PerfDave: how do I so tell it? by installing libarts-alsa, or making some setting, or both? |
| 01:04.31 | stopher2 | engla- you only need the first cd |
| 01:04.40 | PerfDave | engla: You don't even need to burn 1 CD to install Debian |
| 01:04.46 | engla | oh great |
| 01:05.02 | peter__ | g8 |
| 01:05.05 | PerfDave | Vasistha: In the KDE Control Panel |
| 01:05.05 | engla | I'm on ubuntu now, but since powerpc is not supported anymore |
| 01:05.31 | mbroeker | Vasistha, key-feature of kde-4 will be: Artsd-FREE |
| 01:05.47 | PerfDave | mbroeker: Not exactly a key feature compared to the others :0 |
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| 01:05.57 | mbroeker | and you dont need artsd to play simple sounds |
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| 01:06.06 | leftylink | got a weird issue but I'm not really sure how to explain it... some fonts look strange |
| 01:06.08 | leftylink | a bit fuzzy |
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| 01:06.13 | ddalton | ok, I found a howto. just a few questions: |
| 01:06.14 | DeathWolf | Is there any way to make debuild -us -uc less verbose? |
| 01:06.18 | DeathWolf | and/or faster |
| 01:06.23 | ddalton | -How do I check how much space it needs to install? |
| 01:06.24 | engla | but CD1 is cool. Is it a live cd or just the debian installer? and 7.6GB should be enough I hope.. :) |
| 01:06.26 | leftylink | mostly serif fonts look weird, sans-serif fonts are fine for the most part |
| 01:06.29 | PerfDave | leftylink: Anti-aliasing? |
| 01:06.31 | Vasistha | mbroeker: ah, nice. I was previously using esd because I was so irritated at artsd. So, how to turn the thing off? I'm looking at the "sound system" module of kcontrol |
| 01:06.51 | leftylink | PerfDave: Hm... will try forcing KDE to turn it on and see what happens |
| 01:07.09 | jelly-home | DeathWolf: > /dev/null 2>&1 and run on a faster machine? :-p |
| 01:07.16 | stopher2 | engla- it's the installer. and yes 7 is fine |
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| 01:07.43 | PerfDave | Bear in mind that Debian only properly supports 32-bit ppc/power, not 64. |
| 01:08.04 | DeathWolf | jelly: eh, well dont want no output, just a minimum:) as for faster... It's already an intel dual core@2.2ghz. |
| 01:08.09 | DeathWolf | with 2*750GB in raid1:) |
| 01:08.14 | DeathWolf | so not really the slowest ever. |
| 01:08.24 | ddalton | how do I check how much space a package needs to install before making the .deb file? |
| 01:08.36 | DeathWolf | but it does produce a few thousand lines while building the package:) |
| 01:08.48 | jelly-home | DeathWolf: why is that a problem? |
| 01:08.49 | engla | PerfDave: thanks but no trouble. this is an old 1.2 GHz ibook |
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| 01:08.55 | DeathWolf | well, it isnt |
| 01:09.02 | DeathWolf | the only troubling part is that it takes 5 mins to build the package:) |
| 01:09.14 | mbroeker | Vasistha, its easy! disable the kde-sound-system at all and use messages for playing system sounds |
| 01:09.17 | sonnie | on 2.6.22-2-parisc64-smp, when i execute "ip rule list", it reports "RTNETLINK answers: Operation not supported", "Dump terminated". is it a kernel config problam? |
| 01:09.18 | Azar | hello honorables |
| 01:09.21 | jelly-home | DeathWolf: how often do you rebuild? |
| 01:09.27 | LiMaO | isn't there a way of getting debian testing on a cd? all i can find on the site are dvds |
| 01:09.36 | DeathWolf | I just did a lot since I was testing a modification over the debian/rules:) |
| 01:09.39 | Vasistha | mbroeker: I just disabled the sound system ... and realized that I don't want kde to be making sounds, anyway ;) |
| 01:09.41 | leftylink | still look a bit weird... and it's still only serif fonts I think |
| 01:09.43 | DeathWolf | Now it's fine since the package seems to be working |
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| 01:10.09 | whada1 | I want something like tail -f but the new lines will be on top and not on bottom... someone knows such thing? |
| 01:10.10 | mbroeker | Vasistha, i have a localized kde version so i dont know the proper names. but i make a screenshot of it |
| 01:10.15 | leftylink | and I don't know how to describe it either... the thickness of the letters just looks inconsistent in places |
| 01:10.20 | Vasistha | mbroeker: oh, that's alright, don't bother |
| 01:10.27 | PerfDave | LiMaO: Can you downoad a CD with jigdo? |
| 01:10.53 | Vasistha | mbroeker: in english there's a checkbox for "enable the sound system" and when unchecked, the whole "general" tab gets greyed out |
| 01:10.55 | engla | some general Qs regarding debian; in general, there is no problem with upgrading from stable to unstable or testing? |
| 01:10.56 | jelly-home | DeathWolf: if it's a local package and the source uses make to build, you could add a -j2 or -j3 option to make invocation if you don't have it already |
| 01:10.59 | LiMaO | PerfDave: never used jigdo before.. should have a look at it |
| 01:11.10 | PerfDave | LiMaO: jigit's a bit nicer. |
| 01:11.25 | engla | Is it generally so that if stable has Gnome 2.16, testing has 2.18 and unstable 2.20 etc? |
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| 01:11.35 | PerfDave | engla: Stuff in testing or unstable is more likely to be broken. Significantly more in the case of unstable. |
| 01:11.35 | mbroeker | Vasistha, http://www.abload.de/img/kdecnr.png |
| 01:11.37 | Vasistha | engla: not necessarily |
| 01:11.47 | PerfDave | engla: No. Packages come into unstable, migrate into testing, are frozen into stable. |
| 01:11.50 | leftylink | going to try a few things |
| 01:12.22 | zmitya | hi all |
| 01:12.35 | mbroeker | Vasistha, and kdemplayer is a simple script #!/bin/bash play "$@"; exit 0; from the sox packet... |
| 01:12.35 | sonnie | on 2.6.22-2-parisc64-smp, when i execute "ip rule list", it reports "RTNETLINK answers: Operation not supported", "Dump terminated". is it a kernel config problam? |
| 01:12.36 | zmitya | I have an etch, with the original kernel |
| 01:12.38 | Vasistha | engla: testing and unstable are often the same; when testing freezes in preparation for becoming stable, then they diverge for a while |
| 01:12.46 | engla | ok, i'm looking for a stable desktop that I don't have to fuss with |
| 01:12.47 | engla | ok |
| 01:12.55 | PerfDave | engla: Then go for stable. |
| 01:12.56 | engla | what are the versions of gnome right now? |
| 01:13.12 | zmitya | why does not /dev/pts exist ? |
| 01:13.13 | PerfDave | engla: http://packages.debian.org/ should tell you :) |
| 01:13.27 | LiMaO | PerfDave: the problem is that the site's folder is empty, check it out http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/weekly-builds/i386/jigdo-cd/ |
| 01:13.36 | Azar | LiMaO: http://www.debian.org/CD/http-ftp/ |
| 01:14.01 | zmitya | I cannot mount /dev/pts -> mc says: Cannot open master side of pty: No such file or directory (2) |
| 01:14.05 | engla | but stable sounds so boring :) I probably don't make sense |
| 01:14.09 | LiMaO | Azar: no links to the 'testing cd' works. they're all empty! |
| 01:14.41 | LiMaO | http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/weekly-builds/i386/iso-cd/ --> ISO-CD is empty |
| 01:14.54 | bucky | zmitya, if the kernel has been recompiled by you.. you may have not left CONFIG_LEGACY_PTYS=y in .config |
| 01:14.57 | Azar | www.debian.org is at fault |
| 01:14.58 | LiMaO | http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/weekly-builds/i386/iso-dvd/ --> ISO-DVD has the 4 images to download |
| 01:15.12 | engla | PerfDave: I can't go for stable. that would be a downgrade in gnome version from my one year old ubuntu install. that's crazy |
| 01:15.28 | zmitya | bucky: I have an etch, with the original kernel |
| 01:15.34 | bucky | hmm.. |
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| 01:17.38 | jelly-home | engla: you have clashing goals, having a stable system and new versions of software. Prioritize. |
| 01:18.28 | PerfDave | engla: I run stable on all my systems. I don't have to worry about transition bugs or anything, just occaisonal security updates. The software in stable isn't the latest, but it is good enough to do whatever I want to do. |
| 01:18.41 | engla | well my current desktop is stable. it has gnome 2.16 and works. I was hoping it was time for a stable upgrade |
| 01:18.57 | engla | I'm not screaming for new features; I'll miss some surely if I downgrade though |
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| 01:19.54 | jelly-home | engla: if it works, why change distributions at all? |
| 01:20.42 | Azar | honorables, attention: the source in /etc/apt/sources.list shown as "ftp.debian.org" is not recommended for use, please update that source by adding a country code to it such as: "ftp.de or ftp.us or ftp.uk.debian.org" |
| 01:20.53 | PerfDave | engla: Well, wait for Lenny to release next year :) |
| 01:21.06 | bucky | zmitya, you do have udev installed don't you? |
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| 01:21.29 | engla | I was hoping that a later kernel would fix my issues with bluetooth and usb headsets. Might not though. and other third-party apps that it's just to cumbersome to make install individually.. that's a mess. But you all have good points. That's why I haven't updated my system in a year |
| 01:21.39 | jelly-home | engla: I run testing on my desktops, but have to deal with occasional breakage. This channel won't support problems with testing or unstable, for example. |
| 01:22.03 | PerfDave | jelly-home: that's not *quite* true. |
| 01:22.08 | zmitya | bucky: no, I don't have |
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| 01:22.14 | engla | jelly-home: serious breakage?; what kind could that be? for example, is X guaranteed to start |
| 01:22.14 | zmitya | this is strange :( |
| 01:22.22 | PerfDave | jelly-home: We'll just laugh at people who "upgrade" to sid and then complain :) |
| 01:22.27 | jelly-home | engla: ... and you can usually update the kernel while keeping the rest of the distro pretty much intact. |
| 01:22.52 | PerfDave | engla: It's been a while, but we've seen libc break and systems fail to boot running unstable. |
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| 01:22.54 | bucky | zmitya, install udev and see if that does it.. you might have to reboot |
| 01:23.00 | jelly-home | PerfDave: ok, I'll redirect all the sid questions to you. :-p |
| 01:23.01 | engla | jelly-home: last time I tried I ran into problems with udev. that was long ago though so it might have been only then |
| 01:23.07 | PerfDave | Personally, I think we need more libc breakages in sid, kto keep people on their toes :) |
| 01:23.07 | zmitya | bucky: I don't like udev :( |
| 01:23.22 | bucky | zmitya, apt-get install udev |
| 01:23.26 | jelly-home | &blame udev |
| 01:23.27 | zmitya | but I just realized that I don't have /sys directory |
| 01:23.42 | bucky | you prolly went with a minimal system during install |
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| 01:24.04 | Azar | bucky: still etch comes with udev in minimal: hardware settings you know |
| 01:24.08 | zmitya | I just copied the whole system to new disks |
| 01:24.20 | sebasianffx | when you have a kernel panic, is not possible to recover the O.S? |
| 01:24.21 | Azar | oh doh |
| 01:24.26 | bucky | oh there you go.. that's why no pty's |
| 01:24.41 | DeathWolf | And if anyone ever needs to build dbd with apr-util without too much thinking, follow instructions from http://saber.kawaii-shoujo.net/Various/apr-util.dbd.txt :) |
| 01:24.48 | Azar | sebasianffx: with the CD possibly |
| 01:24.49 | zmitya | bucky: because missing the /sys ? |
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| 01:25.19 | jelly-home | sebasianffx: panic means the kernel detected an unrecoverable error. You can note the panic for later debugging, and reboot. |
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| 01:26.03 | sebasianffx | <Azar> sebasianffx: with the CD possibly??>> replacing the bad files or something?? |
| 01:26.16 | jelly-home | PerfDave: I don't mind libc6 breakage as much as I mind its updates holding everything else up |
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| 01:27.49 | sebasianffx | i have an error taht says something like: kernel panic: not syncing VFS: Unable to mount root fs on unknown block (0.0) |
| 01:27.54 | jelly-home | PerfDave: ... but testing doesn't get those often. Worst I remember is broken perl, or various mishaps with Xorg (mostly driver issues) |
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| 01:28.48 | sebasianffx | i thing that was when i tried to re-compile the kernel... |
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| 01:28.56 | sorear | sebasianffx: That means that the system can't figure out what drive is the boot drive. Possibly you're missing drivers for your hard drive or partitioning system |
| 01:28.58 | sebasianffx | but im pretty n00b in that |
| 01:29.05 | sorear | sebasianffx: Oh, definitely - that would do it |
| 01:29.31 | zmitya | bucky: ok, I have created /sys, rebooted, now I have /dev/pts |
| 01:29.34 | jelly-home | sebasianffx: forgot to build the initd image? |
| 01:29.41 | bucky | zmitya, way to go! |
| 01:29.48 | jelly-home | er, initrd |
| 01:29.49 | zmitya | thx |
| 01:30.31 | sebasianffx | <jelly-home> sebasianffx: forgot to build the initd image?>> yeah, it says somethig about that too.. |
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| 01:31.00 | jelly-home | sebasianffx: if you used debian's config-* file as a start point, you need to use --initrd option for make-kpkg |
| 01:31.14 | sebasianffx | but i dont know how to get the initial initd |
| 01:31.24 | sebasianffx | it is possible? |
| 01:31.31 | jelly-home | sebasianffx: are you building your kernel with make-kpkg? |
| 01:32.14 | jelly-home | &make-kpkg |
| 01:32.15 | aptitude | it has been said that make-kpkg is the tool that you use for compiling the kernel the Debian Way (tm). It makes a package for your custom kernel which you can install and remove easily using dpkg. See http://www.debian.org/doc/FAQ/ch-kernel.html, man make-kpkg and ask me about <kernel compile> <kp mantra> <kernel build-deps>. |
| 01:32.15 | sebasianffx | i dont know, i just try to recompile but it dont make nothing at the end |
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| 01:33.02 | jelly-home | sebasianffx: Are you using Debian provided linux-source, or something from kernel.org? Why are you trying to build your own kernel? |
| 01:33.10 | sebasianffx | :o i going to see it |
| 01:33.14 | sebasianffx | thanks |
| 01:33.53 | sebasianffx | <jelly-home> sebasianffx: Are you using Debian provided linux-source, or something from kernel.org? Why are you trying to build your own kernel?>> from the canonical factory :S |
| 01:34.00 | jelly-home | sebasianffx: use eg. "/msg aptitude kernel build-deps" to ask the bot about those other factoids |
| 01:34.19 | sebasianffx | i just want to have some fun whit the kernel modules |
| 01:34.21 | jelly-home | wtf is "canonical factory" |
| 01:34.36 | sebasianffx | but i fu*k all |
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| 01:35.00 | jelly-home | The word "canonical" makes me itchy. Are you running Debian? |
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| 01:35.29 | bucky | it's the temple of the bizzare |
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| 01:36.31 | sebasianffx | <jelly-home> The word "canonical" makes me itchy. Are you running Debian?>> ok you catch me, i was a debian user, but now im i little *buntu fanboy :P |
| 01:36.43 | sebasianffx | but in the #ubuntu i dont get help |
| 01:36.46 | sebasianffx | so i came here |
| 01:36.57 | jelly-home | sebasianffx: I don't want to help you break your ubuntu system. Please ask in the right place. |
| 01:37.09 | heraclitus | hi, after the last upgrade of lenny, no lilo prompt appears, has anyone any idea what to do? |
| 01:37.11 | sebasianffx | ok, thanks anyway |
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| 01:37.19 | sebasianffx | ;) |
| 01:37.20 | jelly-home | sebasianffx: read the CAPITAL LETTERS in the /topic |
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| 01:37.47 | bucky | sebasianffx, you want Mark Shuttleworth's cell phone number? |
| 01:37.57 | dutchfish | hi, can someone check why ftp.nl.debian.org is rejecting connections, is it down? |
| 01:38.21 | sebasianffx | <bucky> sebasianffx, you want Mark Shuttleworth's cell phone number?>> no, i just want to travel in the space with him |
| 01:38.23 | jelly-home | dutchfish: it was reported by someone else earlier today it was down |
| 01:38.30 | sebasianffx | ^^ |
| 01:38.34 | bucky | dutchfish, it must be down |
| 01:39.39 | heraclitus | there is prompt in lilo.conf and i run lilo, but it doesn't stop, just boots linux... |
| 01:39.50 | dutchfish | jelly-home, ok thx, thought something was wrong at my side |
| 01:41.16 | bucky | heraclitus, press the tab key at the beap... it will give you the menu or edit lilo.conf for a pause.. i think its' tab |
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| 01:42.08 | bucky | heraclitus, sorry shift key |
| 01:43.16 | bucky | you should have message=/boot/message and timeout=50 or something similar in lilo.conf |
| 01:44.18 | heraclitus | bucky, do i have to hold shift key down during all restart? |
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| 01:45.35 | bucky | heraclitus, lilo.conf sould have "prompt and message=/boot/message and timeout=50" |
| 01:45.50 | bucky | heraclitus, you might have to re run lilo |
| 01:46.02 | heraclitus | bucky, thx, message=/boot/bootmess.txt is commented out, is that the reason? |
| 01:46.07 | bucky | yes |
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| 01:46.25 | bucky | heraclitus, is there a /boot/bootmess.txt ? |
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| 01:47.06 | dutchfish | jelly-home, Sat Dec 8 20:00:01 UTC 2007 is latest? |
| 01:48.06 | bucky | what's that? ten minute ago/ |
| 01:48.19 | dutchfish | ok |
| 01:48.29 | heraclitus | bucky, no there isn't any bootmess in /boot |
| 01:48.37 | bucky | hmm.. |
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| 01:49.09 | xacier | how do i remove all packages? |
| 01:49.32 | elmo40 | apt-get remove --purge <packages> |
| 01:49.37 | elmo40 | or large hammer... |
| 01:49.53 | xacier | i mean all freakin packages |
| 01:50.04 | xacier | with one command |
| 01:50.04 | elmo40 | i just gave you the command |
| 01:50.17 | elmo40 | as for 'all', what do you mean? |
| 01:50.18 | heraclitus | bucky, this all happened after last upgrade of lenny, i didn't change anything, neither run any strange programs... |
| 01:50.21 | bucky | heraclitus, comment out that line and run lilo.. it might make one |
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| 01:50.27 | xacier | i just want one command that will remove all the freakin packages |
| 01:50.47 | heraclitus | bucky, ok, thx |
| 01:50.47 | xacier | with the base remaining |
| 01:50.50 | elmo40 | kids... xacier i just told you. |
| 01:51.05 | elmo40 | xacier: base? |
| 01:51.12 | xacier | damnit |
| 01:51.13 | bucky | heraclitus, if nothing else read /usr/share/doc/lilo/README.Debian |
| 01:51.28 | elmo40 | xacier: first, you need to figure out what you NEED... and what you dont WANT. Then work backwards from there. |
| 01:51.36 | xacier | i wanna remove all the freaking packages like from xorg to games |
| 01:51.41 | elmo40 | xacier: but first, what distro are you using? |
| 01:51.43 | xacier | with the base remain |
| 01:52.19 | elmo40 | xacier: you get nowhere with that (freaking)attitude... kiddie. |
| 01:52.30 | xacier | damn you |
| 01:52.39 | sorear | xacier: google how to use shell for-loops. google grep. man dpkg. |
| 01:52.47 | elmo40 | but start by typing: apt-get remove, and hit tab a couple times... remove what you (think) is not the base |
| 01:53.07 | sorear | xacier: you should be able to make a one-liner with for, two calls to dpkg, and grep |
| 01:53.34 | xacier | jeez, maybe i am thinking freebsd |
| 01:53.45 | xacier | in freebsd, i can do the crap with just one command |
| 01:53.57 | elmo40 | and what command is that? |
| 01:54.00 | xacier | but, um, with lesbian, um, a little tricky |
| 01:54.26 | xacier | something |
| 01:54.30 | xacier | not tellin you |
| 01:54.41 | elmo40 | ignorant kids. |
| 01:54.47 | xacier | man that cleans up the system good after f***kups |
| 01:54.49 | PerfDave | xacier: Well, installing FreeBSD won't cost you anything :) |
| 01:55.00 | bucky | sometime apt-get autoremove works pretty nice |
| 01:55.29 | xacier | ah well, adioz |
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| 01:55.33 | elmo40 | bucky: that only removes stuff that is no longer dependent on things... or something like that. |
| 01:56.22 | bucky | ever try apt-get autoremove dpkg ? |
| 01:56.23 | elmo40 | where do these kids come from? 'all the freaking packages... not telling you' As if. |
| 01:57.04 | bucky | i think they're Mark Shuttleworth's kids |
| 01:57.06 | elmo40 | bucky: just did... it would free up only 376Mb ;) |
| 01:57.17 | bucky | is that all :( |
| 01:58.07 | elmo40 | but still leaves X and other 'freaking' packages :P |
| 01:58.48 | elmo40 | i think he needed a large hammer. would do him wonders. |
| 01:59.06 | elmo40 | i wonder if he goes into #windows and asks the same questions :P |
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| 01:59.39 | bucky | apt-get autoremove xserver-xorg -s |
| 01:59.42 | LiMaO | why is everything so outdated on debian's site? last 'weekly' build is from october.. last 'daily' build is from january.. is debian being left to the past? |
| 01:59.52 | bytekode | lol troll |
| 02:00.02 | bucky | hmm.. left some fonts |
| 02:00.28 | LiMaO | oh no wait, there are correct daily builds.. but not weekly builds |
| 02:01.03 | bucky | LiMaO, you want to use a distro with the latest and greatest updated packages? |
| 02:01.10 | mbroeker | i used many distributions right now and all theese distros have their pro and cons. |
| 02:01.21 | bucky | i'll be glad to send you on your way |
| 02:01.47 | LiMaO | bucky, actually not. i just wanted to downloading debian testing. but the only available media is the dvd. all the 'cds' folders are empty. no downloads available |
| 02:01.57 | sorear | LiMaO: debian doesn't have weekly builds |
| 02:02.11 | sorear | LiMaO: we have an archive, which is updated continuously |
| 02:02.16 | LiMaO | sorear: http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/weekly-builds/i386/ |
| 02:02.29 | LiMaO | it says 'weekly builds'.. i'm just using the terms mentioned on the site |
| 02:02.42 | sorear | LiMaO: you'll notice that the weekly builds are only for testing and unstable |
| 02:02.51 | sorear | LiMaO: the stable distro is fixed |
| 02:03.22 | sorear | LiMaO: the others, you're supposed to connect to the internet and get packages in semi-real-time - the images are just to give you a head start |
| 02:03.22 | LiMaO | sorear: i don't want the stable one, because stuff there is outdated. even though they are stable and everything, they're just too old |
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| 02:04.10 | sorear | LiMaO: so the idea is you get an image, install it, apt-get dist-upgrade # system is now up to the minute |
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| 02:04.36 | LiMaO | sorear: if i install etch, stable. there is no way to get gimp 2.4, because it is NOT and will NOT be added to the etch repository. that's what i'm talking about |
| 02:04.40 | leftylink | LiMaO: it's also possible to install stable and then download all updates from testing |
| 02:04.54 | bucky | apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 02:05.21 | sorear | LiMaO: I mentioned stable ONLY as a point of comparison. |
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| 02:06.01 | xoz | LiMaO: install stable. install xen. install testing or sid inside xen. |
| 02:07.01 | izanbardprince | I've been wanting to run Debian GNU/HURD |
| 02:07.08 | izanbardprince | but it looks too messy at the moment |
| 02:08.27 | xoz | izanbardprince: run it inside xen |
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| 02:11.04 | LiMaO | btw, what's a good fast and reliable mirror that will give me consistent fast speeds?! |
| 02:11.23 | LiMaO | even the nearest mirror next to me isn't giving me decent speeds |
| 02:11.39 | bucky | osuosdl |
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| 02:12.03 | bucky | that's the closest to "the canonical" mirror |
| 02:12.48 | bucky | they have a bunch of beavers running on treadmills for alt energy |
| 02:14.00 | bucky | if you're on the left coast linux.csua.berkeley.edu |
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| 02:15.39 | mbroeker | yeah east cost! |
| 02:15.56 | bytekode | east coast for the win |
| 02:16.25 | LiMaO | that .edu seems fine for me |
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| 02:17.08 | mbroeker | its a running gag in all the films : "east coast vs west coast" and goldfinger killed them all... |
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| 02:20.29 | bucky | ping abrotman |
| 02:21.17 | thgjerde | I am getting "No such device" when trying to configure networking. Please help |
| 02:21.26 | LiMaO | 667 packages to be fetched.. oh man |
| 02:21.51 | bucky | thgjerde, does ifconfig say you have anything besides lo ? |
| 02:22.07 | thgjerde | nope |
| 02:22.13 | bytekode | LiMaO: neighbor of the beast ;) |
| 02:22.41 | mbroeker | thgjerde, check lsmod and modprobe <cardmodul> |
| 02:22.45 | bucky | thgjerde, you don't have a driver loaded for your nic | wireless card | ? |
| 02:23.08 | LiMaO | bytekode: actually i'm not even in the us, nor europe =P |
| 02:23.24 | bytekode | i didn't say you were ... o.O |
| 02:24.20 | thgjerde | bucky, im not sure what drivers are missing |
| 02:24.27 | LiMaO | i didn't know the beast was down here |
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| 02:24.41 | LiMaO | =P |
| 02:24.55 | bytekode | :e |
| 02:25.05 | bytekode | 666 = number of the beat, 667 (and 665 i guess) = neighbor :) |
| 02:25.08 | bytekode | beast* |
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| 02:25.52 | LiMaO | oooooooooooooooooh |
| 02:26.02 | LiMaO | you were talking about the number of packages |
| 02:26.20 | LiMaO | thought you were talking about my location.. relative to the mirror i'm using |
| 02:26.21 | LiMaO | lol |
| 02:26.25 | LiMaO | guess i need some sleep =P |
| 02:26.45 | mbroeker | thgjerde, pci or usb-based nic? |
| 02:26.49 | bytekode | :) |
| 02:27.17 | thgjerde | there seems to be a module r8169 loaded and the card is a rtl-8169sc onboard |
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| 02:29.08 | heraclitus | bucky, the problem doesn't appear to be in lilo, when i shut doen the computer, and swich on again, lilo works normally, byt when i restart from linux, it doesn't show no bios screens or such, at all... |
| 02:29.42 | bucky | heraclitus, that's really weird.. i don't know |
| 02:30.24 | heraclitus | bucky, ok, no problem, thanks |
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| 02:31.58 | naiv | did anyone ever saw a computer crashing with a 3D shooter ? ( i did a memtest and a burntest, everything ok and i got a nviDIA gts 8600 with proprio drivers ) |
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| 02:32.26 | enouf | heraclitus: sounds like like some shutdown scripts are not entirely existing properly, like an APM (or maybe ACPI) issue even |
| 02:32.42 | bucky | thgjerde, it might take a special driver from realtek.. i was google ing and that seems to be the case |
| 02:33.06 | bucky | thgjerde, got another nic you can put in there until you get it sorted out? |
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| 02:33.47 | Internat | so a stupid question.. i have a raid array that i just built.. but its attempting to resync/recover.. should that happen sinces its brand new? and is there a way to make it do it without resyning |
| 02:34.04 | Internat | cause waiting 10hrs for a brand new raid to build seems dodgy |
| 02:34.10 | thgjerde | bucky, i only have onbord nics |
| 02:34.29 | heraclitus | enouf, this started immediately after the last upgrade of lenny, i didn't change anything, and knowingly there are no dangerous programs running which may mess data... |
| 02:34.34 | bucky | thgjerde, wait.. try modprobe r8169 |
| 02:34.42 | bucky | then look at ifconfig |
| 02:34.43 | enouf | heraclitus: sudo updatedb then, locate bootclean dns-clean ifupdown-clean |
| 02:35.28 | thgjerde | bucky, nothing happened |
| 02:35.33 | enouf | heraclitus: a dist-upgrade also removes pkgs |
| 02:35.59 | bucky | thgjerde, lsmod |grep r8169 did it load? |
| 02:36.08 | enouf | heraclitus: hand replaces others with newer versions (as a typical upgrade would) |
| 02:36.15 | enouf | s/hand/and |
| 02:36.18 | echo-area | enouf: I know why aptitude wants to remove the installed packages now. The source from which I update lacks the package for libc6 >= 2.7-1, so basically many of the packages have dependency problem. Thank you for yesterday's helping :D |
| 02:36.24 | thgjerde | bucky, it loaded when i booted |
| 02:36.40 | enouf | echo-area: ahh ok, welcome |
| 02:37.14 | naiv | can a computer crash because of a driver ? |
| 02:37.28 | thgjerde | bucky, it even worked fine when i was in d-i |
| 02:37.51 | waltz | how do I find out what device my modem is, or if all the correct drivers for the PCI card have been loaded? |
| 02:38.10 | bucky | thgjerde, i'm not sure but i think you need the r1000 |
| 02:38.37 | bucky | can you rmmod r8169 and modprobe r1000 |
| 02:39.46 | thgjerde | bucky, module not found |
| 02:40.24 | bucky | thgjerde, how about the r8169too / |
| 02:41.08 | heraclitus | enouf, locate finds all, except dns-clean... |
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| 02:41.57 | bucky | thgjerde, is this etch.. lenny should support this |
| 02:42.29 | heraclitus | what does bootclean do? |
| 02:42.34 | thgjerde | bucky, not working, this is lenny |
| 02:42.44 | enouf | heraclitus: hrm .. this can be tricky finding the exact culprit too .. may not even have anything to do with the cleanup scripts, but pastebin what you have as output |
| 02:42.53 | bucky | thgjerde, but it worked in the installer? |
| 02:43.38 | heraclitus | enouf, output of bootclean? |
| 02:43.39 | enouf | heraclitus: read the scripts, i suggest you also install dlocate and apt-file (/msg dpkg apt-file) that is; if she's awake |
| 02:43.46 | enouf | bah |
| 02:44.06 | enouf | nope she's dead jim |
| 02:44.14 | bucky | thgjerde, boot up into your installer cd and get in a console and lsmod to see which driver it was using |
| 02:44.23 | bucky | bbl |
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| 02:46.02 | Claudio32m | how do i properly restart my sshd without a reboot? |
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| 02:47.10 | waltz | hello? |
| 02:47.17 | naiv | can a computer crash because of a driver ? |
| 02:47.19 | Tramp | Claudio32m: /etc/init.d/ssh restart |
| 02:47.29 | techrush | naiv, certainly |
| 02:47.49 | Tramp | naiv: of course |
| 02:47.55 | waltz | how do I find out what device my modem is, or if all the correct drivers for the PCI card have been loaded? |
| 02:48.01 | Claudio32m | thanks tramp |
| 02:48.16 | BobSapp | Claudio32m: google ssh restart debian |
| 02:48.20 | Claudio32m | the doc i was reading said sshd restart |
| 02:48.22 | Claudio32m | thats why i was confused |
| 02:48.24 | Claudio32m | it wasnt working |
| 02:48.30 | bucky | Claudio32m, invoke-rc.d ssh restart |
| 02:48.58 | BobSapp | well on my install it looks like the script is just called ssh |
| 02:49.09 | bucky | waltz, lspci and see what the modem is and lsmod to see if the drivers are loaded |
| 02:50.10 | waltz | um |
| 02:50.25 | waltz | I already did lspci and I know what the modem is |
| 02:50.29 | bucky | waltz, can you install pppconfig |
| 02:50.38 | bucky | it might be on the cd |
| 02:50.45 | bucky | apt-get install pppconf |
| 02:50.46 | waltz | yeah |
| 02:50.50 | bucky | run it |
| 02:50.51 | waltz | it's a USR 5610 |
| 02:51.23 | waltz | thought iirc kernels above 2.4 automagically included the drivers |
| 02:51.30 | cast | USR invented winmodems D: |
| 02:51.36 | waltz | noway~ |
| 02:51.41 | waltz | USR is awesome :( |
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| 02:52.48 | waltz | arrgh |
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| 02:53.22 | cast | The term "Winmodem" is a trademark of U.S. Robotics <--there we go.. |
| 02:53.22 | BobSapp | well USR did lead the field in modems for a long time |
| 02:53.40 | BobSapp | i think they had the main chip that bumped up the baud rate |
| 02:53.41 | waltz | USR also includes Linux drivers on their CDs |
| 02:53.46 | waltz | so let's think about that |
| 02:53.55 | BobSapp | im trying to remember what it was called its been decades :) |
| 02:54.49 | waltz | I miss the Hayes days |
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| 02:55.12 | waltz | provided I wasn't alive for many of them but still |
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| 02:56.14 | waltz | oh, I purchased a hayes accura |
| 02:56.25 | waltz | funny thing needs 9VAC, heh |
| 02:56.42 | waltz | also Zoom modems, and an old IBM modem |
| 02:56.54 | BobSapp | I intend to hook it up to vgetty linux box and have it act as an inteligent awnsering machine |
| 02:57.07 | BobSapp | never got round to doing that though |
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| 02:57.49 | waltz | nifty |
| 02:58.04 | BobSapp | 56k speakerphone |
| 02:58.06 | waltz | so I figure I'm going to commission one of my 3 Zoom modems for the task of reading in the caller ID |
| 02:58.22 | waltz | since my Cidco caller ID box died just several hours ago :\ |
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| 02:58.40 | RockerMONO | anyone know how i can get FreeBASIC on debian? :) |
| 02:58.42 | waltz | BobSapp: do you recommend any good caller ID software? |
| 02:58.46 | waltz | I mean |
| 02:58.54 | BobSapp | yeah that was the idea I had, have CID pop up in a knotify box or something |
| 02:58.56 | waltz | I'm going to compile elcid |
| 02:58.57 | BobSapp | nope sorry |
| 02:59.02 | waltz | oh :\ |
| 02:59.11 | BobSapp | i was thinking about writing my own script to handle it |
| 02:59.31 | BobSapp | or even forward the voice over bluetooth :) |
| 02:59.40 | waltz | o_O |
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| 02:59.54 | BobSapp | why? |
| 02:59.58 | waltz | my saying is "if it's wireless it's useless" |
| 03:00.03 | waltz | because interference |
| 03:00.05 | waltz | and lead |
| 03:00.10 | waltz | and general weakness |
| 03:00.14 | BobSapp | oh i thought you were just worried about security |
| 03:00.20 | waltz | oh, not really |
| 03:00.26 | waltz | RSA is quite secure |
| 03:00.37 | Kornholijo | hey, i got my ipw2200/iee80211 modules fucked up, how can I revert them to the originial ones shipped with kernel? |
| 03:00.40 | BobSapp | I dont use wlan, but bluetooth is pretty much ok for indoors |
| 03:00.50 | BobSapp | regarding range/throughput |
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| 03:00.55 | waltz | aha |
| 03:00.59 | Kornholijo | dhclient hooks teh pc/ieee80211 if fucked ;/ |
| 03:01.02 | Kornholijo | hey, i got my ipw2200/iee80211 modules fucked up, how can I revert them to the originial ones shipped with kernel? |
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| 03:01.19 | BobSapp | yes i really should make that software :) |
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| 03:03.14 | BobSapp | uart |
| 03:03.26 | BobSapp | that was the chip you needed for high speed modems :) |
| 03:03.32 | BobSapp | by ibm though |
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| 03:04.03 | waltz | oh |
| 03:04.06 | waltz | hm |
| 03:04.26 | waltz | I purchased also an IBM 5853 2400 baud modem |
| 03:04.32 | waltz | it's huge |
| 03:04.37 | waltz | also I don't know what chip it uses |
| 03:04.40 | Kornholijo | why:p? |
| 03:04.51 | waltz | Kornholijo: cause I like to rock it old-school :P |
| 03:04.54 | Kornholijo | :D |
| 03:05.07 | BobSapp | heh |
| 03:05.13 | BobSapp | also old stuff last longer |
| 03:05.19 | waltz | so true |
| 03:05.19 | Kornholijo | hey, i got my ipw2200/iee80211 modules fucked up, how can I revert them to the originial ones shipped with kernel? |
| 03:05.21 | Kornholijo | yeah |
| 03:05.32 | waltz | I mean, now-a-days everything is made cheap and replaceable |
| 03:05.34 | waltz | generally |
| 03:05.41 | thgjerde_ | bucky, i got it working now, turns out its named eth3 instead of eth0 |
| 03:05.47 | Kornholijo | and everything is made in china |
| 03:05.49 | Kornholijo | nowadays |
| 03:05.50 | Kornholijo | xD |
| 03:05.54 | waltz | yup |
| 03:06.11 | BobSapp | put it like this, the worst my old 60mb hdd has had in terms of errors are a few bad sectors |
| 03:06.20 | BobSapp | everything else works fine |
| 03:06.31 | BobSapp | they get marked, you can use the rest of the drive. |
| 03:07.12 | BobSapp | since that time ive had umpteen 2gb drives and a 160gb segate baracuda that started playing up as soon as i hit the 140G usage mark |
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| 03:07.17 | waltz | the first computer I used was my family's Win95 machine, which had a 500mb drive |
| 03:07.24 | Kornholijo | :p |
| 03:07.34 | BobSapp | that was about 6 months afeter i bought the thing |
| 03:07.37 | Kornholijo | i used 486 with win3.1 and like 8mbram |
| 03:07.40 | BobSapp | yeah 500megs is nice |
| 03:07.40 | Kornholijo | dunno about hdd |
| 03:07.42 | waltz | and I've just got through upgrading and improving a 486 that I have, that was assembled in 1994 |
| 03:07.51 | Kornholijo | ;p |
| 03:07.51 | BobSapp | u can install xp on that :) |
| 03:07.53 | waltz | :D |
| 03:07.57 | Kornholijo | xp sucks |
| 03:08.00 | Kornholijo | use linux ;) |
| 03:08.02 | BobSapp | well not the 486 |
| 03:08.03 | waltz | yes |
| 03:08.12 | Kornholijo | although i have to use xp |
| 03:08.13 | waltz | I'm going to actually go with FreeBSD on the 486 |
| 03:08.16 | felix_da_catz | My second was a PCjr with 128kb of ram and a single floppy. I don't know what my first one was, but it ran CP/M and had dual floppys on it. |
| 03:08.18 | Kornholijo | nice ;d |
| 03:08.28 | Kornholijo | those 3" flops? |
| 03:08.29 | Kornholijo | xd |
| 03:08.43 | Kornholijo | i mean the 5" or smth they called |
| 03:08.47 | Kornholijo | those huge ones square shaped |
| 03:08.48 | felix_da_catz | They were fun actaully. 5 1/4" |
| 03:08.48 | BobSapp | 5.25 |
| 03:08.50 | waltz | it has 4 NICs with two AUI transcievers and 2GB SanDisk CompactFlash storage with an IDE adapter |
| 03:08.51 | Kornholijo | yeh |
| 03:08.52 | simonrvn | 5 1/4 |
| 03:08.55 | felix_da_catz | well, I have a 8" floppy drive around here somewhere. |
| 03:08.58 | Kornholijo | yah 5" |
| 03:09.06 | Kornholijo | lol :D |
| 03:09.17 | waltz | ah damn, I feel really young here |
| 03:09.23 | BobSapp | waltz: so the drives outstrip the bus performance? |
| 03:09.31 | waltz | BobSapp: haha exactly |
| 03:09.31 | felix_da_catz | 1975 here. |
| 03:09.34 | BobSapp | 1980 :( |
| 03:09.40 | bytekode | 85 :P |
| 03:09.42 | waltz | BobSapp: 8.3MHz of dynamite speeds :P |
| 03:09.48 | simonrvn | '72 |
| 03:09.54 | Biohazard | damn, I am so young |
| 03:09.56 | BobSapp | turbo button enabled? |
| 03:09.59 | felix_da_catz | wow. Amazing. :-) I got my first pc in 81. |
| 03:10.04 | waltz | BobSapp: heh, yep |
| 03:10.16 | Kornholijo | :o |
| 03:10.19 | waltz | wait, no |
| 03:10.25 | waltz | sorry I was thinking of the ISA bus speeds |
| 03:10.28 | Kornholijo | lol |
| 03:10.35 | waltz | it is a 33MHz clock, with 66MHz turbo override |
| 03:11.16 | BobSapp | sx or dx. |
| 03:11.20 | waltz | DX |
| 03:11.34 | BobSapp | i can remember when dx was the s*!t |
| 03:11.48 | Kornholijo | lol 33mhz |
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| 03:11.54 | Kornholijo | i used 4mhz one |
| 03:11.56 | BobSapp | then dx2 (head asplode, it plays doom) |
| 03:11.58 | Kornholijo | some hp thing |
| 03:12.03 | Kornholijo | :D |
| 03:12.05 | waltz | hehe |
| 03:12.15 | felix_da_catz | I totally missed out on the 386/486's. Kept my 8088 until the pentiums came about really. My dad got a 286, but he wouldn't let me upgrade. |
| 03:12.25 | Kornholijo | Lol :D |
| 03:12.34 | waltz | lol 8088 |
| 03:12.36 | Kornholijo | 80886 r pure old school |
| 03:12.46 | Kornholijo | u can find the cpus today too |
| 03:12.46 | simonrvn | you can fucking swear in here you know, though mr. '87 might have his ears burn :P |
| 03:12.47 | waltz | I have an ASM programming book that deal with the 8086/88, it is from 1984 |
| 03:12.55 | Kornholijo | i do too |
| 03:12.58 | Kornholijo | but its in russian |
| 03:13.00 | Kornholijo | ;/ |
| 03:13.01 | mazzanet | z80 ftw! |
| 03:13.02 | waltz | :\ |
| 03:13.05 | BobSapp | onboard video memory |
| 03:13.27 | BobSapp | wait was it onboard? well i think you could upgrade it |
| 03:13.34 | BobSapp | on some models. |
| 03:13.42 | Venom | hey, does anyone know details about the atheros suepr AG wireless on debian 4 |
| 03:13.46 | Venom | super* |
| 03:14.01 | simonrvn | ask the real question please |
| 03:14.09 | BobSapp | z80 == purest souce i ever learned |
| 03:14.22 | Kornholijo | :D |
| 03:14.25 | waltz | simonrvn: um, was that in reference to me? |
| 03:14.26 | bytekode | Venom: if it's atheros, madwifi probably supports it |
| 03:15.11 | Venom | well, from my understanding, ubuntu is built on top of debian right? when I installed ubuntu 7.10 over top of my 6.06 or whatever it was, the wireless broke |
| 03:15.11 | Kornholijo | how do i restore a module to a one shipped with kernel? i seriously fucked up some ;] |
| 03:15.16 | simonrvn | no, to the only other on-topic person in here |
| 03:15.32 | Venom | it used to work, and I'm wondering if it would be broken on debian 4 also |
| 03:15.38 | waltz | I...see... |
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| 03:16.22 | Venom | or maybe from all the little ubuntu features, it broke the madwifi |
| 03:16.23 | simonrvn | Venom: no it's not, it's its own distro. it pulls stuff from sid sometimes |
| 03:16.52 | Venom | oh ok |
| 03:17.03 | Venom | well I guess I can just try and find out if it works then hehe |
| 03:17.37 | Venom | maybe they brought something in from sid that broke it |
| 03:17.50 | Kornholijo | how do i restore a module to a one shipped with kernel? i seriously fucked up some ;] |
| 03:17.53 | Kornholijo | anyone x.x |
| 03:18.08 | Kornholijo | i want 2 get my wifi to work again ;/ |
| 03:18.16 | cast | dekete your custom one and reinstall kernel package? |
| 03:18.27 | cast | or just copy it out of the kernel package |
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| 03:18.32 | Kornholijo | how? |
| 03:18.38 | Kornholijo | you mean the like.. |
| 03:18.43 | simonrvn | eh, might puke on the symbols... |
| 03:18.44 | Kornholijo | linux-kernel-ver.deb? |
| 03:19.09 | simonrvn | esp. if the debian or the custom kernel was built with strict versioning |
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| 03:19.37 | Kornholijo | no its.. |
| 03:19.40 | Kornholijo | netinst kernel |
| 03:19.51 | Kornholijo | well the one it installs |
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| 03:20.18 | Kornholijo | i cant modprobe bcm43xx, it gives me some symbole err of ones in ieee80211 |
| 03:20.28 | Kornholijo | so i wanna reset all ieee80211 ones |
| 03:20.32 | Claudio32m | how do I put colors in a text file for example if i have the words "Hello world" in blue in a text file.. do i need to use escape characters? |
| 03:21.08 | Mordbrann | Claudio32m: yes |
| 03:21.12 | cast | Claudio32m: http://www.linuxfocus.org/English/May2004/article335.shtml |
| 03:21.15 | simonrvn | waltz: btw in here, nothing wrong with be off-topic as long as it doesn't interfere with people looking for help or people helping others (e.g., it's dead, or no one's asking a question...) |
| 03:21.28 | Claudio32m | thankyou guys |
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| 03:21.58 | waltz | alright |
| 03:22.09 | waltz | good to know, it wasn't mentioned in the topic |
| 03:22.55 | waltz | next off-topic: 80s synth -- great or the greatest! :D |
| 03:23.44 | simonrvn | Kornholijo: yeh, well, dmesg should tell you why you can't install the module in the kernel |
| 03:23.45 | Kornholijo | mmm |
| 03:23.59 | Kornholijo | i cant modprobe it |
| 03:24.04 | Kornholijo | w8 i might find the msg |
| 03:24.06 | Kornholijo | no |
| 03:24.12 | Kornholijo | 4.12 on kernel, 4.12 on module |
| 03:24.14 | Kornholijo | ;) |
| 03:24.18 | simonrvn | ok |
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| 03:25.49 | Kornholijo | i dont wanna go on deb again, but it was something about unrecognized symbols of ieee80211 |
| 03:26.12 | Kornholijo | i got this after i compiled and installed new ieee80211 and didnt know what ver was old |
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| 03:28.24 | simonrvn | yeh, some sort of version or build thing. you won't be able to insert that until the module and kernel match, hence cast's suggestions |
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| 03:28.53 | Claudio32m | I don't know if this is possible but here goes. Can I have a ssh request from a certain port (i.e 5000) trigger a program rather than the standard login: prompt? rather than executing the program from the /etc/passwd line? |
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| 03:30.21 | Claudio32m | hmm maybe with inetd |
| 03:30.40 | cast | anything is possible with free software :P |
| 03:30.49 | Claudio32m | can inetd execute a program when someone tries to login via ssh at a certain port? |
| 03:31.19 | cast | what are you wanting to do? |
| 03:32.10 | Claudio32m | to execute a program i'm writting in c |
| 03:32.17 | Claudio32m | and i'm doing my own user login validation |
| 03:32.22 | Claudio32m | its redundant to login twice |
| 03:32.59 | cast | use pam? |
| 03:33.16 | cast | erm, rather, *can you use pam? |
| 03:33.36 | Claudio32m | not familiar with pam |
| 03:33.41 | Claudio32m | i'll read about it |
| 03:33.59 | Claudio32m | what would pam do for me? |
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| 03:34.35 | cast | pam - pluggable authentication modules |
| 03:35.24 | Claudio32m | thanks |
| 03:35.42 | cast | besides, pam modules for for most practical sane user authentication schemes have already been written |
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| 03:35.51 | cast | so there might be something to do what you want already. |
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| 03:36.15 | \amethyst | right |
| 03:36.17 | \amethyst | doh |
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| 03:38.50 | enouf | heraclitus: sorry,. got busy, but i meant output of the "locate ..." |
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| 03:40.42 | Gluesticky | This ubuntu installer is taking ages :-\ |
| 03:40.54 | Gluesticky | whats the minimum requirements for the liveCD because this is taking years |
| 03:41.16 | PyroMithrandir | Gluesticky, this isn't #ubuntu |
| 03:41.16 | enouf | !fail |
| 03:41.23 | cast | !gtfo |
| 03:41.55 | Gluesticky | !haha |
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| 03:42.01 | simonrvn | ... |
| 03:42.14 | PyroMithrandir | !seriously, though, this isn't #ubuntu. We don't care. |
| 03:42.54 | xiangyixiang | debian is a unique |
| 03:42.57 | Gluesticky | Well I actually wanted to install debian to begin with because its taking so slow |
| 03:43.32 | simonrvn | enouf: @ |
| 03:43.32 | xiangyixiang | it's impossible!1 |
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| 03:43.45 | enouf | simonrvn: gracias ;-) |
| 03:43.50 | simonrvn | ;) |
| 03:44.29 | Gluesticky | Ok, what is the best way to install debian nowadays then? I am not really into using net install as I have limited quota |
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| 03:44.43 | simonrvn | uh |
| 03:44.46 | Gluesticky | Should I just download the first cd of release 4? |
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| 03:44.52 | xiangyixiang | yeah |
| 03:44.57 | PyroMithrandir | if you have a limited quota then netinstall is the best way... |
| 03:44.58 | Kornholijo | just dl netinst |
| 03:44.59 | Kornholijo | gosh |
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| 03:45.05 | Gluesticky | fine fine |
| 03:45.16 | PyroMithrandir | I mean, that way, you only dl things you will use |
| 03:45.16 | Gluesticky | I can download linux isos free thats all from my isp |
| 03:45.26 | enouf | disk quota or bandwidth? |
| 03:45.30 | PyroMithrandir | ah, thats different |
| 03:45.31 | enouf | er d/l |
| 03:45.32 | Gluesticky | Download quota |
| 03:45.45 | Gluesticky | but if i get them from isp file server its free |
| 03:46.29 | cast | then download a debian iso from your isp. |
| 03:46.30 | enouf | then grab the 1st dvd, if apropos |
| 03:46.49 | Gluesticky | ok thanks |
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| 03:47.54 | cast | Gluesticky: does you isp have a debian mirror? |
| 03:48.18 | enouf | (an official one would be nice ;-)) |
| 03:48.27 | xiangyixiang | yeah! |
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| 03:49.48 | Kornholijo | wooooooooooooot |
| 03:50.03 | Kornholijo | got my msn bot to connect until nexus auth (https ;<) |
| 03:50.14 | Kornholijo | argh now i have to use openssl |
| 03:50.24 | Kornholijo | :< |
| 03:50.25 | bytekode | :e |
| 03:50.42 | cast | you could write a xmpp bot..:o |
| 03:51.08 | bytekode | you could find a perl module that already does what you want to do |
| 03:51.16 | bytekode | :e |
| 03:51.31 | Kornholijo | im doing it in c++ |
| 03:51.33 | bytekode | chances are... some sad, lonely nerd has already implemented it |
| 03:51.33 | Kornholijo | xmpp? |
| 03:51.50 | Kornholijo | i did, but it was in c#, and i lost teh src, but i got mine vb msn bot , so easy, xd |
| 03:52.03 | Kornholijo | all you have to do is formpost to a url and read a header ;/ |
| 03:52.30 | bytekode | vb :o |
| 03:52.38 | Kornholijo | yah first msn bot :0 |
| 03:52.42 | Kornholijo | then c#, now c++ |
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| 03:52.48 | Kornholijo | and i got someone whos gonna help me ;] |
| 03:52.55 | amphi | msn? vb? what is this filthy talk? |
| 03:53.03 | Kornholijo | offtopix |
| 03:53.07 | Kornholijo | go sleep. |
| 03:53.08 | bytekode | pro-tip: all of europe uses msn |
| 03:53.11 | bytekode | :P |
| 03:53.15 | Kornholijo | and im in us |
| 03:53.19 | Kornholijo | x.x |
| 03:53.20 | bytekode | western US uses msn |
| 03:53.24 | bytekode | california/washington |
| 03:53.26 | Kornholijo | most us uses aim |
| 03:53.27 | Kornholijo | lol |
| 03:53.35 | Kornholijo | so g4y |
| 03:53.46 | xiangyixiang | we use qq you know it? |
| 03:53.50 | bytekode | i have to use aim/msn/icq/jabber/qq, etc... |
| 03:53.54 | Kornholijo | qq? |
| 03:53.59 | Kornholijo | qurwa qierdalajka? |
| 03:54.00 | bytekode | since i talk to business contacts from all around the world |
| 03:54.03 | xiangyixiang | yeah! |
| 03:54.07 | Kornholijo | :O |
| 03:54.09 | Kornholijo | what is qq |
| 03:54.14 | xiangyixiang | pigdin |
| 03:54.15 | Gluesticky | T_T |
| 03:54.16 | Kornholijo | ah |
| 03:54.18 | Kornholijo | LOL |
| 03:54.20 | Kornholijo | i use it too |
| 03:54.39 | xiangyixiang | in china qq is icq you know it? |
| 03:54.46 | bytekode | Kornholijo: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/QQ |
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| 03:54.58 | Kornholijo | o |
| 03:55.14 | bytekode | some of my friends in china use it |
| 03:55.20 | Gluesticky | naspers heh |
| 03:55.23 | xiangyixiang | haha!! |
| 03:55.24 | Kornholijo | lmfao qq |
| 03:55.29 | Kornholijo | qicq |
| 03:55.35 | Gluesticky | icQQ |
| 03:55.39 | Kornholijo | lol so lolol |
| 03:55.40 | xiangyixiang | yeah |
| 03:56.24 | Mordbrann | omg, lol! My mom just got done telling she wants two cellphones on the same # |
| 03:56.34 | Kornholijo | LOL |
| 03:56.47 | bytekode | i have a www.grandcentral.com number, so if you call me, both my cell phones ring :P |
| 03:57.00 | bytekode | and you hear an old rotary phone ring, not a normal ring ^^ |
| 03:57.19 | Kornholijo | hehe |
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| 03:58.57 | Kornholijo | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:58.59 | Kornholijo | ph34r |
| 03:59.14 | bytekode | haha |
| 03:59.15 | Kornholijo | :) |
| 03:59.28 | Kornholijo | kthxstfubusy, working on httpsauth bwaha |
| 04:00.38 | Kornholijo | [22:00] -Luna\b1:#debian- http://www.archive.org/download/Sexya/svideo.exe My Video Sexy |
| 04:00.39 | bytekode | yeah don't click that |
| 04:00.41 | Kornholijo | zomg virus |
| 04:00.49 | Kornholijo | yes ph34 |
| 04:00.52 | Kornholijo | gogo anubis :d |
| 04:00.53 | bytekode | if you're a windows user :P |
| 04:01.02 | Kornholijo | win3.1 user |
| 04:01.03 | mazzanet | ;) |
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| 04:01.23 | Kornholijo | rrrrrrrrrraw |
| 04:02.05 | Kornholijo | c:\OpenSSL\include |
| 04:02.05 | Kornholijo | ops |
| 04:02.14 | bytekode | omg traitor! |
| 04:02.18 | bytekode | :-) |
| 04:02.33 | Kornholijo | ;< |
| 04:02.38 | Kornholijo | deb is broke ;< |
| 04:02.44 | Kornholijo | although teh code is crossplatform :D |
| 04:02.48 | Kornholijo | :-) |
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| 04:07.41 | papna | Hi there. I'm trying to install Debian on a laptop, an Averatec 3250. Apparently this has previously been done successfully by others. I downloaded the netinstall CD for testing from debian.org today. I've gone through the setup a couple times and I freeze at 5% on `Select and install software' shortly after I select the packages or groups of packages or whatever I need and I tell it what keymap to use. Can anyone help me? |
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| 04:09.08 | Kornholijo | oi |
| 04:09.11 | Kornholijo | pleks |
| 04:09.15 | cast | i'd try installing using debootstrap |
| 04:10.08 | papna | cast: Is that advice to me? How do I go about that? |
| 04:10.27 | cast | can you get a livecd to work on that box? |
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| 04:11.05 | cast | [yes, it was to you papna] |
| 04:11.19 | papna | cast: I've run Knoppix on it, yeah. |
| 04:11.54 | cast | there will be an appendix in the install manual called "installing from another GNU/Linux/*nix" or some such using debootstrap |
| 04:12.17 | papna | cast: Thanks. I'll look for that in the manual. |
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| 04:13.04 | penp | papna: i just made a post on the debian forums about that exact issue |
| 04:13.16 | penp | papna: i have that problem when trying to install on my desktop via netinst |
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| 04:13.37 | penp | http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?t=19211&start=15 |
| 04:13.44 | papna | penp: Thanks for the link. |
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| 04:14.17 | penp | papna: when the debian installer asks you for what selections of packages you want to install, it's just running a program called tasksel, which you can run during post installation |
| 04:15.37 | penp | papna: so if you install the base system without trying to download packages during the installer, you can download them later using the same program |
| 04:15.54 | penp | and it has worked for me every time lol |
| 04:16.10 | penp | for some reason the installer always hangs when im trying to download stuff, but not tasksel during post inst |
| 04:16.28 | papna | penp: Thanks. I'll go ahead and try that right now. |
| 04:16.44 | penp | np..let me know how it goes |
| 04:17.04 | penp | just make sure you set up sources.list and your networking before trying to run tasksel |
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| 04:17.23 | penp | because selecting no packages and installing the base system, i dont think it configures apt |
| 04:17.39 | penp | and all tasksel is is a wrapper for aptitude with lists of packages (tasks) selected by the devs |
| 04:19.26 | papna | penp: Thanks for the continued advice. I'll be sure to edit my sources.list, but I might need some help getting networking to work if something needs to be done. I'm fairly n00bish, here. |
| 04:19.43 | penp | no worries |
| 04:19.52 | penp | provided you actually have an ethernet connection, you should be fine |
| 04:20.02 | papna | penp: I do. Thanks. |
| 04:20.03 | penp | wireless hell (especially unsupported chipsets) make things more diffucult :) |
| 04:20.33 | penp | if you're using dhcp, i think dhclient is part of the base system (dhclient eth0).. if that doesnt work, you may have to configure /etc/network/interfaces first |
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| 04:22.07 | papna | I am using DHCP. I expect it will be fine. Making good progress with this run through the install... Thanks again. |
| 04:22.18 | penp | no problem..just bored at work |
| 04:22.19 | penp | lol |
| 04:22.20 | penp | :) |
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| 04:23.16 | mcrandello | Hi there's a guy in ##linux who has this problem-> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=500229 |
| 04:23.22 | mcrandello | I'm trying to figure out which dpkg command will list the missing files they're talking about in that forum post so we can get his apt fixed |
| 04:24.04 | Kornholijo | lol |
| 04:24.05 | Kornholijo | again |
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| 04:24.30 | Leetziggaj | hey guys having a problem with installing openfire |
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| 04:24.41 | Leetziggaj | i want to install JRE, but i need to install openfire i guess and the apt is corrupt |
| 04:24.46 | dkg | Could someone advise me on installing the MMS protocol source plugin? |
| 04:25.02 | Leetziggaj | i downloaded the tar.gz off the net, but now im stuck on what i have to do insatll it, its sitting in my server in tar.gz can anyone help me install this |
| 04:26.03 | Yarou | wtf |
| 04:26.16 | netdaemon | ..... |
| 04:27.29 | Leetziggaj | anybody? |
| 04:27.33 | Leetziggaj | help with openfire instal |
| 04:27.41 | mcrandello | uninstall even :) |
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| 04:27.53 | papna | penp: Okay, so now I'm editing my sources.list. I have `ftp.debian.org/debian lenny main', `security.debian.org/ lenny/updates mian contrib' and the corresponding source repositories. What do I want to change this to include? |
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| 04:29.38 | Kornholijo | what is the lib for openssl? i tried ssleay32, doesnt work. |
| 04:29.45 | bucky | Luna\b1, what's your sexy video about? |
| 04:30.08 | Kornholijo | its a virus lol |
| 04:30.10 | Leetziggaj | openfire install, i heard the apt is corrupt, i have the tar.gz what do i do? |
| 04:30.21 | Kornholijo | ./configure && make && make install |
| 04:30.31 | Leetziggaj | what:?? |
| 04:30.45 | Kornholijo | ./configure && make && make install |
| 04:31.46 | bucky | Leetziggaj, get the rpm it contains the jre that you need |
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| 04:32.14 | Leetziggaj | wht rpm |
| 04:32.26 | bucky | openfire |
| 04:32.27 | Leetziggaj | i dl'd the tar.gz isint that for Ubuntu |
| 04:32.32 | Leetziggaj | get the rpm instead? |
| 04:32.42 | bucky | just joking |
| 04:33.09 | Leetziggaj | ok lol |
| 04:33.11 | Leetziggaj | wht do i do? |
| 04:33.37 | Leetziggaj | lol i would imagine this is not too hard, anyone??z/? |
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| 04:34.15 | bucky | things are getting weird in here... we got people running ubuntu asking how to install a java app that uses jabber and is "dual-licensed" |
| 04:34.37 | Leetziggaj | trueknowldeg how do i pm you |
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| 04:35.02 | bucky | hi markybob |
| 04:35.06 | simonrvn | wtf would you instal an rpm... ffs... effing cluebies |
| 04:35.10 | markybob | hi |
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| 04:35.20 | Leetziggaj | how do i send PM"s |
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| 04:35.26 | Leetziggaj | im in pm w/ tux knowledge |
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| 04:35.37 | dkg | Could someone advise me on getting totem to work with MMS links? |
| 04:35.39 | markybob | Leentje /msg nick foo |
| 04:35.42 | bucky | simonrvn, hopefully they would switch to an rpm distro and leave us alone with their ubuntu questions |
| 04:35.50 | tuxknowledge | leet |
| 04:36.10 | simonrvn | bucky: if only |
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| 04:36.11 | Leetziggaj | it worked for uninstall |
| 04:36.16 | Leetziggaj | hey tuxknowledge how do i PM you |
| 04:36.27 | Leetziggaj | tuxknowledge, how do i pm you? |
| 04:36.29 | Leetziggaj | lol |
| 04:36.34 | tuxknowledge | "/msg tuxknowledge message" |
| 04:36.35 | Leetziggaj | but yeah it is now uninstalled now wht do i do |
| 04:36.38 | tuxknowledge | without the " |
| 04:36.48 | tuxknowledge | now compile the source |
| 04:36.55 | bucky | Leetziggaj, /query tuxknowledge |
| 04:38.45 | papna | penp: If I don't add any repositories, apt-get update, and then `tasksel install standard', it sticks at nothing. I'm installing `Desktop environment' for now, which should take a while. |
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| 04:39.00 | simonrvn | dkg: there's a mms gstreamer thingy, install that (might be in debian-multimedia) |
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| 04:39.24 | penp | hm, that's odd |
| 04:39.40 | dkg | simonrvn: thanks |
| 04:39.45 | penp | papna: what repos do you have set in sources.list right now? |
| 04:40.18 | papna | Resending- penp: Okay, so now I'm editing my sources.list. I have `ftp.debian.org/debian lenny main', `security.debian.org/ lenny/updates mian contrib' and the corresponding source repositories. What do I want to change this to include? |
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| 04:41.25 | penp | what does the command "tasksel --task-packages standard" output? |
| 04:42.26 | papna | penp: ~pstandard // ~prequired // ~pimportant |
| 04:42.29 | bucky | what's the paste bin again? the /topic just says /msg dpkg paster and dpkg isn't talking |
| 04:42.29 | penp | ok |
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| 04:42.54 | ddalton | can I have a user name with a .? for example d.d? |
| 04:42.55 | simonrvn | @paste |
| 04:42.57 | ravenbird | paste.length >= 3 ? `/join #flood' : `/say paste.msg', or paste your output at http://channels.debian.net/paste/ |
| 04:43.05 | penp | aptitude search ~pstandard or ~prequired or ~pimportant should show you the packages listed in those selections |
| 04:43.06 | bucky | tnx |
| 04:43.19 | penp | im not sure why tasksel isnt installing them though.. |
| 04:43.36 | simonrvn | ddalton: man adduser should say |
| 04:43.39 | dimes_ | ddalton: No sorry |
| 04:44.01 | penp | but my sources.list was only these 4 lines: |
| 04:44.06 | penp | deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ lenny main contrib non-free |
| 04:44.06 | penp | deb-src http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ lenny main contrib non-free |
| 04:44.06 | penp | deb http://security.debian.org/ lenny/updates main contrib non-free |
| 04:44.06 | penp | deb-src http://security.debian.org/ lenny/updates main contrib non-free |
| 04:44.17 | penp | deb, deb-src, then updates for both |
| 04:44.28 | penp | and i had commented out the cdrom |
| 04:44.34 | ddalton | how do I rename a user? |
| 04:44.39 | ddalton | change the name of the user? |
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| 04:44.57 | dkg | simonrvn: I intend to try something different now. Can you recommend a way to handle MMS URIs using mplayer? |
| 04:45.12 | simonrvn | dkg: it just does it IIRC |
| 04:45.15 | dimes_ | ddalton: how comfortable are you with the command line? |
| 04:45.17 | bucky | ddalton, man usermod |
| 04:45.19 | papna | penp: Since I'm still installing the desktop environment, I cannot use apt to perform other functions (like said search). I can stop that if I need to. |
| 04:45.26 | ddalton | thats all I have to use |
| 04:45.32 | dkg | simonrvn: Evidently, it just hates me |
| 04:45.37 | papna | penp: Can I manually install those three packages? Are they just normal packages? |
| 04:45.41 | penp | papna: i'd just wait until the desktop task is finsihed being installed |
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| 04:45.48 | penp | papna: no, those are virtual packages |
| 04:46.06 | penp | papna: searching for them with aptitude (i.e. aptitude search ~pstandard) |
| 04:46.06 | ddalton | whats the command? |
| 04:46.20 | penp | papna: lists the packages they link to |
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| 04:46.31 | penp | ddalton: read man usermod |
| 04:46.33 | bucky | usermod -l ddalton but first you have to sign a waiver |
| 04:46.50 | ddalton | usermod? |
| 04:46.56 | penp | |: |
| 04:46.58 | ddalton | im blind sorry |
| 04:47.04 | bucky | user modify |
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| 04:47.12 | bucky | make sense? |
| 04:47.28 | papna | penp: So I perform the search and then manually install the packages the search returns? |
| 04:47.32 | ddalton | oh I see. Ill read it. |
| 04:47.34 | ddalton | thx |
| 04:48.14 | penp | papna: yeah, if you cant get tasksel to work. if I were you id look at the lists and see if they are things you even want to install |
| 04:48.25 | penp | papna: the desktop should install a working desktop environment for you |
| 04:48.26 | dkg | When I try to play a video over a MMS stream in mplayer, I get the error "No stream found to handle url mms:/...". |
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| 04:48.54 | PythonNinja | what would my line in sources.lst look like for the australian mirror? i can't find it from google, only for other countries |
| 04:48.58 | papna | penp: Okay. Thanks again. |
| 04:49.17 | penp | papna: np |
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| 04:50.08 | simon__ | I have a rubbish dsl modem, which won't do DNS. I manually set /etc/resolv.conf but my changes get overwritten every half an hour when DHCP updates. How can I make the changes more permanent? |
| 04:50.35 | simonrvn | chmod it r/o |
| 04:51.03 | bucky | PythonNinja, there's two of them at the top of http://www.debian.org/mirror/list |
| 04:51.03 | simon__ | PythonNinja: deb http://ftp.iinet.net.au/debian/debian/ etch main |
| 04:51.19 | simon__ | simonrvn: thanks. |
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| 04:51.48 | bucky | PythonNinja, see you need to ask an aussie to get some of that croc savy |
| 04:51.55 | simonrvn | chmod u+w files; editor file; chmod -w file ; ;p |
| 04:51.59 | simonrvn | file* |
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| 04:53.47 | PythonNinja | thanks simon__ |
| 04:54.02 | ddalton | one other question quickly; how does alpine know my actual name? It doesn't have my name in the email address I am sending from. How does this user store my full name? |
| 04:54.12 | dkg | When I try to play a video over a MMS stream in mplayer, I get the error "No stream found to handle url mms:/...". |
| 04:54.18 | ddalton | is there a conf file with my real name in it which tells the system who my actual name is |
| 04:54.34 | bucky | one time i accidently got a guy to redirect his libc.so.6 soft link.. and it was on a remote box for work thousands of miles away |
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| 04:55.22 | simon__ | ddalton: it's probably in /etc/passwd |
| 04:55.22 | helo_ | how can i install "standard packages" after i have already installed? |
| 04:55.39 | helo_ | i'm having some really odd nvs behavior and think maybe i'm missing something |
| 04:55.47 | penp | helo_: tasksel install standard |
| 04:55.50 | helo_ | nfs |
| 04:55.52 | helo_ | thanks |
| 04:55.53 | penp | should work |
| 04:55.53 | bucky | ddalton, you don't want anyone to know your name is daniel? |
| 04:56.00 | penp | but someone was having trouble with it |
| 04:56.36 | simonrvn | it is in /etc/passwd; it's called GECOS info... |
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| 04:58.06 | bucky | ddalton, man chfn |
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| 05:03.06 | dimes | ddalton: If you used a GUI to set up your user, /etc/password very likely has it |
| 05:03.47 | simonrvn | passwd |
| 05:03.52 | dimes | yes |
| 05:03.55 | dkg | When I try to play a video over a MMS stream in mplayer, I get the error "No stream found to handle url mms:/...". |
| 05:03.58 | dimes | /etc/passwd |
| 05:04.18 | simonrvn | dkg: ok, so i gues it doesn't... try xine or vnc |
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| 05:06.54 | zythmer | dkg: I've had some success with mimms. |
| 05:07.06 | dkg | zythmer: It gives me an error as well |
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| 05:08.00 | dkg | The error Totem gives now is that the connection to the server was refused. |
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| 05:08.16 | bucky | dkg, wrong url? |
| 05:08.21 | dkg | Nope. |
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| 05:08.54 | dkg | Something tells me that six separate servers aren't down at the same time |
| 05:09.06 | Vasistha | hum. So, even though I inserted 'blacklist ath_pci' into /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist.custom , it is still starting at boot time. (it's not in /etc/modules) |
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| 05:09.46 | bucky | no stream found says to me you're typing it in wrong.. is it supposed to be mms:// blah |
| 05:09.48 | dimes | Vasi: still in initramfs? |
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| 05:10.24 | dkg | bucky: It is |
| 05:10.43 | Kornholijo | !dpkg etch |
| 05:10.49 | bucky | dkg, cause you typed it with one slash a minute ago |
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| 05:11.13 | dkg | bucky: That was a typo. I did not copy and paste the error message |
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| 05:11.27 | dkg | bucky: I also put three full stops after it. |
| 05:11.52 | bucky | dkg, where did you get mplayer? |
| 05:12.35 | bucky | and what codecs do you have installed? |
| 05:13.03 | dkg | bucky: debian repo |
| 05:13.08 | Vasistha | dimes: find /etc/initramfs-tools -type f | xargs grep ath # returns nothing |
| 05:13.38 | dkg | bucky: Numerous. Is there any way to list them? |
| 05:14.51 | simonrvn | @debian-multimedia |
| 05:14.51 | ravenbird | is a repository of unofficial Debian packages, not in Debian for various legal reasons, maintained by Christian Marillat. For instructions to add APT sources, ask me about <debian-multimedia.etch>. |
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| 05:15.34 | Azar | wow simonrvn you got a nice bot |
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| 05:16.20 | simonrvn | @ff Azar |
| 05:16.21 | ravenbird | Azar: fartfish |
| 05:16.35 | Vasistha | bucky: you'll probably want w32codecs |
| 05:17.00 | simonrvn | @debian-multimedia.etch |
| 05:17.00 | ravenbird | To add the debian-multimedia repository, first ask me about <apt-key 1F41B907>. then, run # echo "deb http://www.debian-multimedia.org etch main" >> /etc/apt/sources.list; apt-get update; (as root), or install the debian-multimedia-keyring package from the debian-multimedia.org repository. |
| 05:17.02 | Azar | :P haahahahaha |
| 05:17.10 | bucky | dkg, did you install mms-data as previously suggested? |
| 05:17.35 | dkg | bucky: No, I had not |
| 05:17.48 | bucky | why not |
| 05:19.16 | bucky | dkg, <simonrvn> dkg: there's a mms gstreamer thingy, install that (might be in debian-multimedia) |
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| 05:20.08 | dkg | bucky: There was no indication of "mms-data" there |
| 05:20.09 | _Sam-- | trying to use aptitude,getting same error no matter what package: http://pastebin.com/d7eaf1b18 |
| 05:20.30 | dkg | There is considerable ambiguity in "mms gstreamer thingy" |
| 05:20.42 | bucky | dkg, that's why i asked you where you got mplayer |
| 05:20.50 | simonrvn | apt-cache search mms gstreamer |
| 05:21.23 | dkg | simonrvn: I did that. Nothing worth looking at appeared. |
| 05:21.25 | bucky | dkg, i assumed you got it from debian-multimedia as pointed out by the ravinbird bot a couple of times |
| 05:21.30 | dkg | Or at least, so I thought. |
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| 05:21.56 | bucky | apt-cache show mms-data |
| 05:22.09 | simonrvn | on mine nothing except 'pulseaudio' comes up... |
| 05:22.25 | Azar | _Sam--: did you try to install, or upgrade? |
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| 05:22.35 | simonrvn | that's the -data package for mms |
| 05:22.36 | _Sam-- | u |
| 05:22.51 | bucky | hmm.. mine is from Marillat on lenny |
| 05:22.56 | _Sam-- | (same error no matter what package) |
| 05:23.16 | Azar | what command did you do to get that? |
| 05:23.30 | _Sam-- | aptitude, then pressed g |
| 05:23.48 | Azar | just aptitude? |
| 05:23.51 | _Sam-- | yes |
| 05:23.52 | bucky | mms-data will pull in mms as a dep |
| 05:24.00 | Azar | well try doing: aptitude update |
| 05:24.08 | _Sam-- | i did u within aptitude first |
| 05:24.08 | Azar | then aptitude upgrade |
| 05:24.09 | _Sam-- | and U |
| 05:24.48 | dkg | In totem (gstreamer, of course), I get the same error as before. "The playback of this movie requires a Microsoft Media Server (MMS) protocol source plugin which is not installed." |
| 05:24.51 | _Sam-- | same error doing your way. |
| 05:25.00 | _Sam-- | aptitude update / aptitude upgrade |
| 05:25.02 | _Sam-- | same error. |
| 05:25.04 | Azar | _Sam--: paste your sources list |
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| 05:25.43 | _Sam-- | http://pastebin.com/d3e1d44b3 |
| 05:25.57 | simonrvn | dkg: had similar problem the other day, i mis-remembered the fix... i think i gave up and tried it in vnc or something |
| 05:26.13 | dkg | simonrvn: I'll try that. Thanks |
| 05:26.19 | seth1248 | What can I do when kill won't kill? Is there any option besides doing a windows (reboot)? |
| 05:26.34 | bucky | dkg, did you add debian-multimedia to your sources.list and apt-get update ? |
| 05:27.33 | Azar | _Sam--: what version you are running? Sarge or Etch? |
| 05:27.40 | _Sam-- | etch |
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| 05:27.47 | _Sam-- | upgraded from sarge a few weeks ago |
| 05:28.59 | seth1248 | Never mind kill -9 did the trick. |
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| 05:29.49 | Azar | _Sam--: your sources are not quite correct: 1. #comment that CD line |
| 05:29.55 | _Sam-- | they are correct fine. |
| 05:30.01 | _Sam-- | if you dont know the answer dont help me. |
| 05:30.12 | Azar | 2. apply a country to your source like us , uk, fr, au, de.. |
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| 05:30.19 | _Sam-- | whatever. |
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| 05:30.26 | _Sam-- | the cd isnt in the drive, and the sources work fine. |
| 05:30.34 | _Sam-- | but thanks for knowing less than i do. |
| 05:30.37 | bucky | _Sam--, it appears that your e2fslibs deb is corrupt... rm /var/cache/apt/archives/e2fslibs_1.39+1.40-WIP-2006.11.14+dfsg-2etch1_i386.deb |
| 05:30.42 | bucky | and try agian |
| 05:30.50 | _Sam-- | thank you. |
| 05:30.56 | Azar | ftp.debian.org is NOT to be used |
| 05:31.08 | Azar | bucky: read Debian news about it |
| 05:31.11 | bucky | and btw Azar is smarter than me |
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| 05:31.25 | maddash | what happened to f.d.o? |
| 05:31.27 | bucky | so listen to azar |
| 05:31.52 | Azar | no , listen to bucky, I was about to show you correct sources but _Sam-- good luck man |
| 05:31.56 | _Sam-- | well so far, between the two of you, you are 0 for 2 and not that impressive. |
| 05:32.17 | simonrvn | we're not out to impress you. ... |
| 05:32.33 | Azar | hehe |
| 05:32.40 | Azar | let him figure on his own |
| 05:32.45 | bucky | _Sam--, first get a decent repo and second you're asking stupid people like me for help in here so who is really the smart one? |
| 05:32.54 | simonrvn | if he doesn't like it then that's his problem |
| 05:32.56 | naiv | hi, anyone got a 8600GTS here ? |
| 05:33.02 | bucky | _Sam--, go ask in #ubuntu |
| 05:33.02 | _Sam-- | my repo is fine. but thanks for the bad advice. |
| 05:33.10 | _Sam-- | i would, if thats whhat i were running. |
| 05:33.21 | maddash | sam, what's the problem? |
| 05:33.29 | bucky | he |
| 05:33.30 | _Sam-- | http://pastebin.com/d3e1d44b3 |
| 05:33.32 | bucky | he |
| 05:33.51 | Azar | wow mister maddash, long time did'nt see your voice |
| 05:33.52 | bucky | he doesn't play well with others |
| 05:34.16 | dimes | vasistha: Did you look inside the initrd(initramfs) file to see what modules are actually there? |
| 05:34.38 | maddash | _Sam--: my shift keys ask if you could rename yourself...also, what command did you execute that gave the dpkg error output? |
| 05:34.38 | darkstego | all the weekly snapshot folders for the debian testing CDs (weekly build) are empty. Is there a reason? |
| 05:34.45 | Vasistha | dimes: sorry, which file is that? a path would be helpful :) |
| 05:34.47 | simonrvn | Vasistha: to do that, zcat initrdfile | cpio -i |
| 05:35.05 | Vasistha | uuoc ^_^ |
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| 05:35.07 | zonemath | hello |
| 05:35.09 | maddash | Azar: busy with some epiphanies |
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| 05:35.14 | _Sam-- | lol. i used aptitude, then pressed g |
| 05:35.15 | Vasistha | err, or perhaps no |
| 05:35.18 | simonrvn | darkstego: yes |
| 05:35.28 | _Sam-- | i also tried aptitude upgrade with same resule. |
| 05:35.31 | _Sam-- | s/e/t |
| 05:35.32 | dimes | Vas: /boot/initrd-`kernel-version` |
| 05:35.37 | Azar | maddash: If I am not mistaken, I guess I just read some articles last week, written by you? |
| 05:35.45 | _Sam-- | i could have tried apt-get install, but that would have done the same thing, too |
| 05:35.51 | helo | anyone know what options are good for an nfs server used by pxe-booting clients? |
| 05:36.02 | dimes | vas: somethign like /boot/initrd.img-2.6.18-4-686-bigmem |
| 05:36.10 | xaque | How can I tell why my system is freezing? I am able to reboot the machine softly using sysreq reisub, but the machine becomes unpingable and everything. I don't think its a RAM issue, the machine IS installed on an md raid, so this could be causing the issue, but how can I tell? |
| 05:36.26 | zonemath | I'm having a little problem with the find utility ... I can't find the newest files on my hdd |
| 05:36.27 | naiv | hi, anyone got a 8600GTS here ? my computer crashes after 5-30min of playing with nexiuz, i'd want a person to look if it's the same for her |
| 05:36.28 | helo | i'm having some really odd problems with machines being unable to connect to my nfs server sometimes... "sometimes" being very vaguely defined as far as we can tell |
| 05:36.33 | zonemath | updatedb isn't working too |
| 05:36.34 | dimes | vas: copy it(not move) to a tmp dir, rename to <name>.gz |
| 05:36.36 | _Sam-- | xaque : f you think its ram download and burn memtest86+ |
| 05:37.00 | xaque | _Sam--: I don't think its ram cause the system is still responsive to the keyboard |
| 05:37.04 | bytekode | or apt-get install memtestx68+ |
| 05:37.08 | dimes | vas: unzip the file then you are left with a cpio archive, so from there.... |
| 05:37.12 | bytekode | or apt-get install memtestx86+ * ;) |
| 05:37.28 | zonemath | any ideas? |
| 05:37.29 | _Sam-- | i liked the self booting iso myself...but whatever works :) |
| 05:37.34 | maddash | _Sam--: try re-aptituding with the ftp.debian.org lines (deb/deb-src) commented out, and if it still doesn't work, try replacing "mirrors.kernel.org" with something else, e.g., http.us.debian.org and the likes. |
| 05:37.35 | bucky | _Sam--, let me get this straight.. you're upgrading from sarge to etch in one fell swoop |
| 05:37.54 | _Sam-- | bucky: no thats been done, weeks ago, in about 3 swoops. |
| 05:38.01 | _Sam-- | maddash: k, sec. |
| 05:38.03 | dimes | vas: actually to see contents in place this is easier: zcat /boot/initrd.img-2.6.18-3-686 | cpio -i |
| 05:38.18 | maddash | _Sam--: btw, that's essentially what Azar suggested before... |
| 05:38.23 | dimes | where the initrd file name is appropriate |
| 05:38.26 | Vasistha | dimes: tab completion doesn't work in your irc client, huh? :P |
| 05:38.30 | bucky | deb cdrom:[Debian GNU/Linux testing _Sarge |
| 05:38.31 | bucky | deb http://ftp.debian.org/debian/ stable main |
| 05:38.40 | bucky | i dont' get this |
| 05:38.44 | Azar | bucky: haha yep |
| 05:38.48 | maddash | bucky: har har. |
| 05:38.51 | dimes | Vas: I am on a crap irc client in os x |
| 05:38.57 | Azar | wait, don't matter he does not have a CD in the drive bwahahaha |
| 05:39.02 | dimes | vas: brb |
| 05:39.03 | maddash | bucky: but it probably won't hurt him provided he doesn't keep his cd inside |
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| 05:39.23 | _Sam-- | still no go, with just ftp.deb commented out... |
| 05:39.30 | Azar | maddash: but won't apt try looking for a CD? |
| 05:39.40 | _Sam-- | its been that way since 2005, and fine. |
| 05:39.45 | maddash | Azar: yes. |
| 05:39.45 | _Sam-- | ive used apt quite frequently. |
| 05:39.53 | bucky | _Sam--, what part of the freaking world do you live in... you can't find a decent mirror? |
| 05:40.12 | maddash | Azar: you're right. it'll ASK for the CD, and when _Sam-- pops it in... |
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| 05:40.29 | xaque | _Sam--: are there other hw diag tools you are aware of? |
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| 05:40.40 | dimes | Vasistha: better |
| 05:40.46 | _Sam-- | xaque : dunno, memtest found a mem problem for me one time, so like it. |
| 05:40.50 | Vasistha | dimes: yeah! :D heh |
| 05:40.50 | _Sam-- | so I like it , rather. |
| 05:40.56 | _Sam-- | i dont know what else may or may not exist |
| 05:40.59 | Azar | latest: at Debian News there is an article suggesting/asking nicely that we stop using ftp.debian.org, and use instead ftp.xx.debian.org where xx is a country code of your choice |
| 05:41.05 | dimes | Vasistha: so "zcat /boot/initrd.img-2.6.18-3-686 | cpio -i |
| 05:41.08 | dimes | " |
| 05:41.12 | maddash | _Sam--: it seems like you already downloaded the e2fslibs deb into /var/cache, so you might need to `aptitude clean` before trying a different mirror |
| 05:41.32 | dimes | with the correct file should allow you to grep for the module in question |
| 05:41.44 | bucky | problem is i don't know how to google for http://www.debian.org/mirror/list |
| 05:41.56 | _Sam-- | maddash : so far, none of the advice has worked. ive changed the apt sources twice. |
| 05:41.59 | LiMaO | i just changed everything in sources.list that said 'etch' to 'testing' and am doing an apt-get upgrade and will do an apt-get dist-upgrade when it's finished. will that work to have everything upgraded to testing version? should i say i'm running 'lenny' after those commands are finished executing? |
| 05:42.00 | Vasistha | dimes: anyway -- zcat /boot/initrd.img* | cpio 2>&1 | grep -E '(ath|madwifi)' # nothing ;) |
| 05:42.05 | _Sam-- | will try clearing the cache now, but dont think thats it, iether. |
| 05:42.14 | _Sam-- | because i did updatedb, and it couldnt find the new e2fs |
| 05:42.15 | Vasistha | dimes: erm, I *did* include the -i |
| 05:42.18 | bucky | apt-get update would help to |
| 05:42.26 | _Sam-- | ive done the update already tard |
| 05:42.32 | _Sam-- | like 3 times in the last 3 minutes |
| 05:42.33 | bytekode | lol |
| 05:42.39 | maddash | _Sam--: ls -l /var/cache/apt/archives/|grep -i e2fs |
| 05:42.44 | dimes | Vasistha: but after boot its loaded and viewable with lsmod? |
| 05:42.44 | bucky | _Sam--, my debian works great |
| 05:42.45 | Azar | LiMaO: I am not sure if there is a release document for Etch>Lenny wait a second |
| 05:42.57 | Vasistha | dimes: you got it |
| 05:43.02 | _Sam-- | bucky: so do my other 5 debian servers. but if you'dl ike a cookie, i have one. |
| 05:43.16 | _Sam-- | maddash : they ARE there. |
| 05:43.21 | Azar | what? dpkg not here? |
| 05:43.30 | Azar | !etch to lenny |
| 05:43.32 | bucky | dpkg died |
| 05:43.34 | Azar | ah |
| 05:43.40 | _Sam-- | trying the aptitude clean now |
| 05:43.56 | simonrvn | @etch->lenny |
| 05:44.00 | Vasistha | Azar: there are others ... try triggers @ % & |
| 05:44.03 | simonrvn | ravenbird: etch->lenny |
| 05:44.03 | ravenbird | First, see <apt-listbugs>. Next, edit sources.list (# editor /etc/apt/sources.list), change all non-local mentions of 'etch' or 'stable' to 'lenny'. Save the file, then update and dist-upgrade. Also consider subscribing to debian-devel-announce (ask me about <d-d-a>) to be aware of what developments are happening. NOTE: you should be running a 2.6 kernel before trying to upgrade. |
| 05:44.09 | maddash | _Sam--: heh, quirky, huh? |
| 05:44.32 | maddash | _Sam--: for future reference, find /var/cache -iname [...] might make more sense |
| 05:44.45 | _Sam-- | maddash : if i could buy you a 6 pack of something of your choice, let me know what you'd like. |
| 05:44.47 | _Sam-- | it worked. |
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| 05:44.52 | _Sam-- | er wait, not quite. |
| 05:44.59 | _Sam-- | same thing. |
| 05:45.13 | _Sam-- | lemme post something. |
| 05:45.21 | bucky | _Sam--, it appears that your e2fslibs deb is corrupt... rm /var/cache/apt/archives/e2fslibs_1.39+1.40-WIP-2006.11.14+dfsg-2etch1_i386.deb |
| 05:45.26 | _Sam-- | http://pastebin.com/d51da04cf |
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| 05:45.33 | bucky | you cant hear very good |
| 05:45.33 | maddash | bucky: aptitude clean covers that |
| 05:45.36 | Vasistha | dimes: huh, do you suppose, maybe I should blacklist all of the modules: ath_pci ath_rate_sample ath_hal wlan_wep wlan_scan_sta wlan |
| 05:45.48 | maddash | bucky: never mind. |
| 05:45.56 | _Sam-- | bucky: it doesnt matter, that file doesnt exist there. |
| 05:45.58 | bucky | maddash, he might have had other things left to install |
| 05:46.11 | helo | what nfs settings should i use if i want clients to be able to read off of the same share? i seem to be having problems whenever more than one is accessing the share |
| 05:46.21 | _Sam-- | and it could be any package, not just e2fs |
| 05:46.27 | bucky | _Sam--, that's where your error you pasted said it was |
| 05:46.32 | _Sam-- | if i tell it to not upgrade e2fs, it just happens to the next package |
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| 05:47.19 | simonrvn | helo: sounds like you need to enable lockd |
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| 05:47.40 | bucky | _Sam--, ok i'm ready for my cookie |
| 05:47.41 | simonrvn | helo: the LTSP site has good docs for this sort of thing |
| 05:47.55 | simonrvn | @cookie |
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| 05:48.10 | Azar | haha |
| 05:48.19 | simonrvn | hehe |
| 05:48.21 | _Sam-- | why has nobody made reference to this line: rm /var/cache/apt/archives/e2fslibs_1.39+1.40-WIP-2006.11.14+dfsg-2etch1_i386.deb |
| 05:48.22 | _Sam-- | er |
| 05:48.25 | _Sam-- | failed in buffer_read(fd): files list for package `libpam-pwdfile': Invalid argument |
| 05:48.36 | _Sam-- | that is the common denominator. |
| 05:48.43 | _Sam-- | the packages, no matter what, all fail, but that always shows. |
| 05:48.46 | simonrvn | because i haven't looked at the paste output |
| 05:49.03 | Azar | it really sounds like an irish joke |
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| 05:50.07 | _Sam-- | simonrvn : how many cookies or 6 packs will it take for that to happen? |
| 05:50.07 | dimes | Vasistha: /etc/discover.conf |
| 05:50.16 | dimes | Vasistha: the last section |
| 05:50.30 | dimes | skip "module-name" |
| 05:50.40 | dimes | <module-name> |
| 05:50.44 | simonrvn | sorta busy with something else, not really paying that much attention here |
| 05:51.27 | Vasistha | dimes: alright, will do. I guess that means I have to reboot :P |
| 05:51.51 | dimes | Vasistha: yeah, my guess is discover is autoloading modules when it detects the hardware |
| 05:52.17 | Vasistha | dimes: ...even though it's blacklisted. heh. |
| 05:53.05 | dimes | Vasistha: where is it blacklisted? |
| 05:53.16 | Vasistha | dimes: /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist.custom |
| 05:53.41 | dimes | Vasistha: dunno |
| 05:54.01 | _Sam-- | maddash : whahapped, you went silent on me, out of ideas and fixes? |
| 05:54.21 | bytekode | he has a headache ;) |
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| 05:54.49 | maddash | _Sam--: dpkg -L libpam-pwd |
| 05:54.57 | maddash | _Sam--: dpkg -L libpam-pwdfile |
| 05:55.08 | helo | where do i read about /etc/default/dhcp3-server? |
| 05:55.24 | maddash | _Sam--: sorry, was preoccupied with my 2.6.23 menuconfig |
| 05:55.30 | _Sam-- | no worries. |
| 05:55.48 | _Sam-- | Package `libpam-pwd' is not installed. |
| 05:56.04 | _Sam-- | dpkg-query: failed in buffer_read(fd): files list for package `libpam-pwdfile': Invalid argument |
| 05:56.23 | _Sam-- | those are the dpkg output from the lines you asked. |
| 05:56.25 | _Sam-- | in the same order. |
| 05:56.34 | maddash | _Sam--: maybe you should try installing libpam-pwdfile first... ' ls -l /var/cache/apt/archives/|grep pwdfile ' |
| 05:56.46 | maddash | _Sam--: -i for grep, I mean |
| 05:57.09 | _Sam-- | E: Couldn't find package libpam-pwd |
| 05:57.16 | _Sam-- | (apt-get install libpam-pwd) |
| 05:57.20 | _Sam-- | er |
| 05:57.23 | _Sam-- | forgot the file part. |
| 05:57.31 | _Sam-- | libpam-pwdfile is already the newest version |
| 05:57.40 | _Sam-- | 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 7 not upgraded. |
| 05:57.55 | dimes | Vasistha: good luck. Night |
| 05:58.11 | maddash | _Sam--: ls -l /var/libs/dpkg|grep -i pwdfile |
| 05:58.24 | maddash | _Sam--: whoops. it should be, /var/libs/dpkg/info |
| 05:58.30 | maddash | _Sam--: whoops. it should be, /var/libs/dpkg/info/ |
| 05:58.31 | _Sam-- | nada |
| 05:58.32 | _Sam-- | -s |
| 05:58.34 | _Sam-- | lib |
| 05:58.53 | maddash | _Sam--: you're right, I'm wrong. what is the output? |
| 05:59.15 | _Sam-- | with info on the end, 2 files |
| 05:59.22 | _Sam-- | one is the md5 |
| 05:59.32 | _Sam-- | other .list |
| 05:59.38 | _Sam-- | libpam-pwdfile.list |
| 05:59.46 | _Sam-- | libpam-pwdfile.md5sums |
| 06:00.10 | maddash | _Sam--: `ls -l /var/lib/dpkg/info/libpam-pwd*/` and pastebin the output... |
| 06:00.26 | _Sam-- | jhulst: /var/lib/dpkg/info/libpam-pwd*/: No such file or directory |
| 06:00.32 | _Sam-- | er, damn nick completion. |
| 06:00.45 | _Sam-- | i think you had a bad trailing / |
| 06:00.51 | jhulst | What'd I do :) |
| 06:01.12 | _Sam-- | http://pastebin.com/m3348e664 |
| 06:01.16 | maddash | _Sam--: yeah. it seems like you already found the directory I was referring to, since you came up with libpam*.list |
| 06:01.31 | Nyle | ah boy |
| 06:01.40 | Azar | misterrrrrrrrrrrr Nyle! |
| 06:01.53 | Nyle | hey man |
| 06:01.54 | maddash | _Sam--: hm, *.list has "?-----" ? |
| 06:02.00 | Nyle | I'm kinda drunk |
| 06:02.02 | _Sam-- | it was an exact paste |
| 06:02.03 | Nyle | and somewhat stoned |
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| 06:02.09 | Nyle | and full of food yet still hungry |
| 06:02.14 | Azar | did you went to the pub with rahul? |
| 06:02.14 | maddash | _Sam--: looks fubared. grab a newer uncorrupted copy. |
| 06:02.25 | Nyle | Azar: yes |
| 06:02.41 | Azar | Nyle: is good to have someone to drink with |
| 06:02.45 | Nyle | yes |
| 06:02.46 | maddash | _sam--: dpkg -c /var/cache/apt/archives/slang1-dev_1.4.5-2_i386.deb > /var/lib/dpkg/info/slang1-dev.list |
| 06:03.09 | _Sam-- | dpkg-deb: failed to read archive `/var/cache/apt/archives/slang1-dev_1.4.5-2_i386.deb': No such file or directory |
| 06:03.19 | maddash | _Sam--: whoops. replace 'slang1-dev*' with libpam* (exact names of the deb package and list) |
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| 06:03.53 | _Sam-- | it doesnt exist there. |
| 06:03.59 | _Sam-- | the .deb you are referring to |
| 06:04.01 | maddash | _Sam--: did you say before that you didn't have `ls -l /var/cache/apt/archives/|grep -i libpam `? |
| 06:04.12 | _Sam-- | in this case, libpam-pwd.deb |
| 06:04.13 | maddash | ah, so download it manually from pdo |
| 06:04.16 | _Sam-- | in this case, libpam-pwdfile.deb |
| 06:04.37 | maddash | http://packages.debian.org/etch/libpam-pwdfile |
| 06:04.47 | maddash | http://packages.debian.org/etch/i386/libpam-pwdfile/download |
| 06:04.52 | maddash | assuming you're on i386 |
| 06:04.53 | _Sam-- | thanks, wgetting. |
| 06:05.25 | maddash | anyhow, 'dpkg -c [name of downloaded deb] > /var/lib/dpkg/info/[name of libpam-pwdfile.list]' |
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| 06:06.14 | maddash | and re-aptitude |
| 06:06.27 | _Sam-- | interseting. |
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| 06:06.37 | _Sam-- | must be a filesystem error or something, that dpkg -c couldnt write the .list file |
| 06:06.45 | _Sam-- | lemme try removing the old one first |
| 06:07.09 | _Sam-- | nm |
| 06:07.38 | _Sam-- | please let me know to where you would like your 6 pack sent. |
| 06:07.55 | _Sam-- | or if you prefer a joint, i MAY be able to arrange it. |
| 06:08.13 | maddash | sounds like it worked - congrats. |
| 06:08.15 | bucky | that was a good article failed in buffer_read(fd) on Ubuntu |
| 06:08.36 | maddash | bucky: where? |
| 06:08.40 | _Sam-- | nothing to congrat me on -- a chimp could have followed your directions. thank you for putting up with me. |
| 06:08.47 | bucky | http://exain.wordpress.com/2007/12/03/failed-in-buffer_readfd-on-ubuntu/ |
| 06:08.48 | _Sam-- | and thank you for your help, and time and knowledege. |
| 06:08.55 | _Sam-- | knowledge |
| 06:09.27 | maddash | sure. |
| 06:09.29 | _Sam-- | and if you want to take me up on a 6 pack, id be glad to send one where you like. |
| 06:09.40 | Azar | bucky: did you got a chance to read about the newest usb seagate not working with linux? |
| 06:09.46 | maddash | anyone know what this mac80211 thing is? |
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| 06:09.52 | bucky | no.. bummer Azar |
| 06:10.02 | maddash | _Sam--: :) |
| 06:10.07 | Azar | :) haha, no for real, is on Inquirer |
| 06:11.28 | _Sam-- | maddash : thanks again. the problem was related to bad ram in this computer, which probably corrupted something at one time or another. it had been stable for years up until the last 30 days, and i couldnt figure out why until recently when i ran that memtest and discoverd bad ram. |
| 06:11.46 | _Sam-- | that probably corrupted the file,a nd caused my issue. |
| 06:11.58 | _Sam-- | would have never figured it out on my own. |
| 06:12.15 | bucky | Azar, i read the western digital DRM one on the register |
| 06:12.38 | _Sam-- | that western digital drm is bs |
| 06:12.40 | Azar | really? western digital too? |
| 06:12.56 | _Sam-- | who do they think they are to control what is shared off their hard drives |
| 06:13.32 | _Sam-- | from what i remember, its only on the TB drivers |
| 06:13.35 | _Sam-- | er, drives |
| 06:14.30 | bucky | Azar http://tinyurl.com/2mjama |
| 06:15.08 | Azar | thanks, haha for my safety? nice |
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| 06:15.51 | _Sam-- | and its only using their software to access the drive remotely |
| 06:16.00 | _Sam-- | if you share it under any other way i think you get around it |
| 06:16.00 | bucky | Azar, there was someone with a seagate in here just a while ago wasn't there? |
| 06:16.46 | _Sam-- | but if you use their remote access software to remotely access the drive, you're screwed |
| 06:16.49 | Azar | bucky: maybe, I might not have payed attention I was playing a game |
| 06:16.55 | Azar | http://www.theinquirer.net/gb/inquirer/news/2007/12/06/seagate-snubs-linux < this one? |
| 06:17.06 | bucky | letsee |
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| 06:18.59 | bucky | Azar, awsome.. i'm going to post that on groklaw |
| 06:19.19 | Azar | hehe, whats the legal in that article? |
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| 06:20.12 | ameyer | umm, what the fsck happened in oftc #debian |
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| 06:20.36 | Azar | ameyer: maybe they took an early christmas |
| 06:20.48 | ameyer | I don't think I've ever seen so many n*****s in one place at the same time... |
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| 06:21.00 | simonrvn | some moron with client problems? attempts at join flooding (in a stupid way)? |
| 06:21.02 | Azar | it's Saturday Night Live! |
| 06:21.03 | bucky | what's a n*****s ? |
| 06:21.16 | simonrvn | you know you can swear here... |
| 06:21.16 | Azar | newbies |
| 06:21.19 | ameyer | no |
| 06:21.35 | ameyer | i don't think the n word's ok here |
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| 06:22.18 | Azar | ameyer: it's Saturdaytards night, please don't press that button, a redux on Sunday too |
| 06:22.30 | maddash | 'n*****s'? |
| 06:22.33 | maddash | ah. |
| 06:22.40 | Azar | maddash: he ment newbies |
| 06:22.45 | bytekode | "people who are annoying" (south park reference) |
| 06:22.46 | Azar | meant |
| 06:22.57 | maddash | bwahaha. |
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| 06:23.35 | helo | is there some 'locking' in nfs-kernel-server that would limit a share to being accessed by one connection at a time? |
| 06:23.47 | ameyer | I was referring to what someone said about 15 minutes ago in there, for what it's worth |
| 06:23.48 | simonrvn | lockd. i told you this already |
| 06:24.05 | simonrvn | /etc/default/nfs-kernel-server |
| 06:24.23 | Azar | ameyer: would you share? now you got me curious |
| 06:24.53 | ameyer | I'd rather not |
| 06:25.34 | Azar | i've seen worse, seen wols just last week being ambushed by a "female seeker" here |
| 06:26.00 | simon_ | Azar: a "female seeker" ? |
| 06:26.08 | Azar | yeah was really funny |
| 06:26.22 | Azar | a guy gets in and asks if there are any females here |
| 06:26.31 | Azar | and wols goes: do you have a Debian question? |
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| 06:26.41 | ameyer | some asshat posted (in all caps) a certain racial slur 34 times by my count |
| 06:26.45 | nvz | I'm a female seeker, just not seeking them in IRC |
| 06:26.49 | Azar | and the guy jumps with sexy comments on wols |
| 06:26.49 | ameyer | still no ops action |
| 06:26.52 | helo | simonrvn: there isn't anything about lockd in nfs-kernel-server |
| 06:27.08 | Venom | SIMON, were you helping me earlier |
| 06:27.14 | Venom | with the atheros stuff |
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| 06:27.34 | simon_ | Venom: Um, I might have been. |
| 06:27.40 | simonrvn | ameyer: ah ok |
| 06:28.03 | simon_ | Venom: if by earlier you mean "ages ago" |
| 06:28.06 | Venom | ok, well I have debian 4 installed now, it just doesn't recognise my card at all now |
| 06:28.09 | simonrvn | helo: sec |
| 06:28.11 | Venom | earlier as in like a few hours ago |
| 06:28.28 | Azar | speaking of.... it's been a long while we haven't had guys asking for op in the channel :) |
| 06:28.39 | helo | simonrvn: nfs-common |
| 06:28.42 | simonrvn | helo: sorry wrong one, .../nfs-common |
| 06:28.46 | simonrvn | yeh :) |
| 06:28.53 | simon_ | Venom: did you install the madwifi module? |
| 06:28.56 | Venom | I previously had ubuntu installed and it would detect my card and I could scan but not connect right, now it doesn't even show an ath0 interface |
| 06:29.14 | Venom | well, I downloaded the bz2 file, extracted it, and I was followign instructions |
| 06:29.33 | Venom | it tells me to get to the directory and type make but then I get a problem |
| 06:29.51 | helo | so if i see lockd running, i should try NEED_LOCKD=no? |
| 06:29.53 | simon_ | Venom: what? what's wrong with module-assistant? |
| 06:30.30 | Venom | what do you mean by module assistant, I'm still learning |
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| 06:31.17 | simonrvn | helo: if it's set to no then it isn't really running, or if it is, it's not doing anything |
| 06:31.21 | simon_ | Venom: sudo apt-get install module-assistant; sudo m-a prepare; sudo m-a a-i madwifi |
| 06:31.42 | simon_ | Venom: It's what I did, and I'm using an atheros card right now. |
| 06:33.05 | Venom | sounds good, ok one sec |
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| 06:34.33 | Venom | Installation of the madwifi-source source failed. Ignoring this package. Maybe you need to add something to sources.list, maybe the contrib and non-free archives. |
| 06:35.14 | simon_ | Venom: have you added the contrib and non-free bits to your /etc/apt/sources.list? |
| 06:35.17 | helo | and if i get errors like "RPC: failed to contact portmap (errno -5)", i probably do need lockd, right? |
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| 06:35.26 | helo | (since i just disabled it) |
| 06:35.32 | Venom | no I have not, I pretty much just installed this debian |
| 06:35.49 | simonrvn | helo: er, sounds like portmap isn't running |
| 06:36.04 | simonrvn | helo: give it a kick in the ass (restart it) |
| 06:36.48 | Venom | what do I add to the file? if it's long maybe you can just copy and paste or send me a link |
| 06:37.04 | simon_ | Venom: sudo nano /etc/apt/sources.list; find the line that's got something like deb http://something.somewhere.something/debian/ main; put "contrib non-free" at the end of it. |
| 06:38.24 | Venom | I have two lines |
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| 06:38.46 | Venom | deb http://debian.yorku.ca/debian/ etch main deb http://security.debian.org/ etch/updates main contrib |
| 06:38.58 | Venom | do I add non free to the end of both? |
| 06:39.04 | Venom | of do I copy and put non free? |
| 06:39.07 | Venom | or* |
| 06:39.17 | helo | my nfs server won't hand out files to more than one client at a time, apparently... anyone know how i might allow this? all access is read only... |
| 06:39.32 | simon_ | Venom: may as well put it on the end of both, but the second line has contrib already, so just put non-free on the end of that one. |
| 06:39.54 | Venom | what about the lines that say deb-src? |
| 06:39.57 | Venom | those too? |
| 06:40.21 | simon_ | simonrvn: I tried to set /etc/resolv.conf read only, but I think I did it wrong, it's still being overwritten every half an hour by dhcp. |
| 06:40.22 | simonrvn | helo: i don't remember how you'd do that (if possible). did you check the ltsp web site? |
| 06:40.47 | simonrvn | simon_: chmod 444 /etc/resolv.conf ? |
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| 06:41.10 | Venom | whoopsie, I accidentally closed this |
| 06:41.32 | simon_ | Venom: idk, may as well. |
| 06:41.48 | Venom | hehe k |
| 06:41.58 | simon_ | simonrvn: Yeah, that's what I did. |
| 06:42.33 | simonrvn | simon_: ok instead of that, set it +i, it'll work then (setattr +i file) |
| 06:43.46 | simon_ | simonrvn: I don't seem to have the setattr command |
| 06:43.57 | simonrvn | sec |
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| 06:44.32 | simonrvn | sorry, chattr |
| 06:44.42 | simonrvn | (i thought i had that wrong) |
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| 06:45.08 | Venom | hey, what was the last command you gave me for the madwifi thing? |
| 06:45.13 | Venom | m-a madwifi? |
| 06:45.27 | simon_ | Venom: no, m-a a-i madwifi |
| 06:45.31 | Venom | ah ok |
| 06:45.37 | simonrvn | m-a prepare madwifi; m-a a-i madwifi |
| 06:45.48 | simon_ | Venom: it's short for module-assistant auto-install |
| 06:45.57 | Venom | oh ok |
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| 06:47.20 | Venom | is this module assistant a replacement for apt-get? |
| 06:47.26 | nvz | hah |
| 06:47.27 | Venom | or is this something completely different |
| 06:47.31 | nvz | completly different |
| 06:47.34 | Venom | k |
| 06:47.56 | Venom | yeah yeah, I know, sounds ridiculous to you :P |
| 06:48.08 | Venom | I'm learning |
| 06:48.46 | nvz | yeah well module assistant facilitates building kernel modules, apt is a frontend to dpkg for fetching packages from sources and resolving dependencies |
| 06:48.57 | nvz | aptitude would be a replacement for apt |
| 06:49.11 | Venom | oh ok |
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| 06:49.51 | Venom | ok, I have now run those commands, what's next? |
| 06:49.54 | simon_ | Venom: another way to look at it, debian can't really have 5 zillion packages for each kernel module for each kernal version. so module assistant gets the source code, bulids it, creates the package you want, and gives it to dpkg to install. |
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| 06:50.16 | nvz | I don't really know squat about module assistant, I've never used it.. but I know its nothing like apt |
| 06:50.46 | Venom | makes sense |
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| 06:52.29 | Venom | simon, what do I do after I've m-a a-i madwifi? |
| 06:53.00 | simon_ | Venom: Um. modprobe madwifi and see if it works? |
| 06:53.23 | Venom | FATAL: Module madwifi not found. |
| 06:53.54 | Venom | did I break it already? haha |
| 06:54.24 | simon_ | Venom: Hm. you just built it, it must not realise it's there. mod-dep? |
| 06:54.24 | simonrvn | did you install the .deb? |
| 06:54.35 | Venom | just mod-dep, no arguments? |
| 06:54.46 | Venom | install what now? |
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| 06:55.30 | Venom | mod-dep does nothing |
| 06:56.02 | helo | i just commented out my inetd entry for my tftp server, and restarted openbsd-inetd, but i can still get files over tftp... wth |
| 06:56.10 | simonrvn | the .deb you got from running m-a |
| 06:56.13 | helo | MINE |
| 06:56.29 | simonrvn | o_O. weird |
| 06:56.38 | Venom | when I did the m-a a-i madwifi? |
| 06:56.46 | Venom | where is that supposed to show up |
| 06:57.24 | simonrvn | .. |
| 06:57.31 | Venom | oh wait, I see a line with it's location |
| 06:57.36 | simonrvn | (i.e. up one dir.) |
| 06:57.40 | simonrvn | yeh |
| 06:57.42 | Venom | oh hehe |
| 06:58.18 | simonrvn | know how to install .debs? |
| 06:58.23 | Venom | no not at all |
| 06:58.40 | simonrvn | dpkg -i /path/to/file.deb |
| 06:58.46 | fisxoj | simonrvn: as root dpkg -i [deb file] |
| 06:58.50 | fisxoj | ja... that |
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| 06:59.01 | simonrvn | i know how ;) |
| 06:59.13 | Venom | ok, looking at all this stuff it's shown, it looks like it's already installed |
| 06:59.27 | damnsmall327 | hey srry i d/c it's me again |
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| 06:59.42 | Venom | it ran this as part of the m-a |
| 06:59.43 | Venom | dpkg -Ei /usr/src/madwifi-modules-2.6.18-5-686_0.9.2+r1842.20061207-2etch1+2.6.18.dfsg.1-13etch4_i386.deb |
| 06:59.51 | simonrvn | might be the older one or such... .. also, you might have to run depmod -Aa before you try modprobe again |
| 06:59.56 | Venom | Version 0.9.2+r1842.20061207-2etch1+2.6.18.dfsg.1-13etch4 of madwifi-modules-2.6.18-5-686 already installed, skipping. |
| 06:59.58 | simonrvn | ah ok |
| 07:00.14 | simonrvn | do it anyway, without the -E |
| 07:01.02 | damnsmall327 | anyone know a really small linux distro with a GUI interface and would fit on 1-10 floppy disks? |
| 07:01.46 | Venom | still says it's not found |
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| 07:03.25 | Venom | is there a way to let you get remote access and tinker a bit |
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| 07:04.07 | Venom | I bet it would be up in no time haha |
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| 07:06.28 | afilipo | Smalltalker allInstances:[:each] |
| 07:06.30 | EdijusXP | Can someone download and host this file http://rapidshare.com/files/11537415/Praetorians.part5.rar for a while? Please, I'm dialup user... It's 5Mb left to download |
| 07:07.02 | valdyn | EdijusXP: why wouldnt you be able to wait those few minutes for 5mb? |
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| 07:07.30 | damnsmall327 | it could be up to 3 hrs the way rapidshare works |
| 07:07.40 | bytekode | EdijusXP: i would, but i'm on someone else's wifi (and NATed) :/ |
| 07:07.51 | valdyn | damnsmall327: that wouldnt be a dialup issue then, would it? |
| 07:08.01 | EdijusXP | valdyn: The file is 5Mb. I have 94.9 MB (99,541,340 bytes) and got an error :| |
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| 07:08.28 | marcuss | like my new name lol |
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| 07:09.18 | EdijusXP | Rapidshare do not support resuming. If someone would host the file, support will work. |
| 07:09.56 | Venom | still there simon? |
| 07:10.19 | valdyn | EdijusXP: im getting it, let's see.. |
| 07:10.27 | valdyn | Download-Ticket reserviert. In 1.9 Minuten |
| 07:10.39 | EdijusXP | valdyn: Thank you. You are my god ;) |
| 07:10.43 | ddalton | ok how do I rename my user name? su -l old_login new_login doesn't work |
| 07:10.49 | ddalton | any ideas on what I should do? |
| 07:11.34 | valdyn | ddalton: man usermod |
| 07:12.09 | ddalton | I read up to the -l thing and it told me about it but I couldn't work it out |
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| 07:14.01 | valdyn | why is anyone using this rapidshare trash |
| 07:14.17 | EdijusXP | valdyn: What do you mean? |
| 07:14.38 | valdyn | EdijusXP: they want money and there's free alternatives |
| 07:14.57 | Claudio32m | when i do apt-get install ncurses |
| 07:15.00 | Claudio32m | i dont get anything |
| 07:15.04 | ddalton | so usermod -l old new? |
| 07:15.13 | EdijusXP | valdyn: It's hard to find such files in anternative websites |
| 07:15.14 | Claudio32m | i need ncurses to do some text gui interfacing in c |
| 07:15.16 | valdyn | Claudio32m: im sure you should get an error that tells you that such a package does not exist |
| 07:15.16 | ddalton | re changing the user name for a user? |
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| 07:15.31 | valdyn | Claudio32m: apt-get install libncurses5 |
| 07:15.35 | Claudio32m | thanks |
| 07:15.36 | valdyn | !tell Claudio32m -about search |
| 07:15.43 | valdyn | Claudio32m: or for compiling libncurses5-dev |
| 07:16.14 | valdyn | EdijusXP: yes, im talking about silly publishers, not you |
| 07:16.39 | ddalton | valdyn: any idea? is it su or usermod I use? |
| 07:16.46 | EdijusXP | valdyn: Rapidshare got to be more popular. |
| 07:17.13 | MrB_ | Good Night. |
| 07:17.19 | valdyn | http://valdyn.us.to/~valdyn/Praetorians.part5.rar |
| 07:18.04 | EdijusXP | valdyn: Cool,I continued downloading :) |
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| 07:18.23 | EdijusXP | valdyn: I will tell when downloading will be done. ~30mins |
| 07:18.35 | valdyn | EdijusXP: your bandwidth is saturated? |
| 07:18.57 | EdijusXP | valdyn: I'm dial-up user.. |
| 07:19.18 | valdyn | EdijusXP: sure, but i was still courious, this is just a home dsl account. |
| 07:19.31 | valdyn | EdijusXP: these sometimes are barely accessible from endpoints as yours |
| 07:20.03 | EdijusXP | 3.3Kb\s greet speed :) |
| 07:20.37 | utopia_ | you're only getting 3.3 kb/s EdijusXP ? |
| 07:20.46 | valdyn | i think he means bytes |
| 07:20.53 | EdijusXP | It's not "only" :P |
| 07:21.00 | valdyn | which is still low for a 56k modem |
| 07:21.32 | EdijusXP | valdyn: Two years ago my ISP told I will get better connection soon... |
| 07:21.39 | MrB_ | 3.3 * 8 |
| 07:21.49 | MrB_ | half of 56 |
| 07:21.53 | EdijusXP | We all hate our ISP here |
| 07:21.53 | valdyn | MrB_: on modems it doesnt work just that nice |
| 07:22.12 | utopia_ | EdijusXP, is there no broadband where u are at? |
| 07:22.26 | EdijusXP | utopia_: I'm villager. |
| 07:22.46 | MrB_ | I'm a villager too with just a little city and we have fiber... |
| 07:22.52 | utopia_ | ahh :) |
| 07:22.57 | EdijusXP | My ISP told they will build a tower here if I will find 15 users. I did, they don't |
| 07:23.06 | utopia_ | im getting cable installed this week |
| 07:23.10 | MrB_ | xD |
| 07:23.12 | utopia_ | 6mb/s down 512kb/s up |
| 07:23.15 | MrB_ | EdijusXp, location ? |
| 07:24.02 | xerophyte | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:24.21 | EdijusXP | MrB_: Lithuania. |
| 07:24.25 | valdyn | xerophyte: yourmusic.com? |
| 07:24.48 | MrB_ | Europe has a very good bandwith after Asia... |
| 07:24.55 | MrB_ | bandwidth |
| 07:25.12 | valdyn | Latvia |
| 07:25.24 | xerophyte | valdyn thx |
| 07:25.25 | valdyn | hmm, no idea about the endlish spelling |
| 07:25.47 | EdijusXP | I know, my ISP is keep trying to solve problem. They installed better connection for smaller vilage, but not for us :| |
| 07:25.57 | MrB_ | I was reading this article how is posible that in Asia the speeds of broandband are too high if u compare it with USA (which was the one who created the net"")... |
| 07:26.20 | MrB_ | broadband |
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| 07:27.21 | utopia_ | MrB_, i didn't think asia had many people with broadband connections |
| 07:27.25 | utopia_ | probably why it's faster |
| 07:27.26 | valdyn | MrB_: asian states think longterm |
| 07:27.38 | valdyn | MrB_: the "waste" billions for broadband that they dont need |
| 07:28.02 | valdyn | MrB_: they are not even expecting a rov soon |
| 07:28.11 | valdyn | MrB_: err, i mean RoI |
| 07:28.21 | MrB_ | valdyn: right but they are the leaders in tech ... |
| 07:28.32 | bucky | EdijusXP, could you put together a wireless network like seattlewireless.net |
| 07:28.34 | valdyn | MrB_: yea, but that's not directly related |
| 07:28.50 | MrB_ | some institutions need that kind of speeds but not for home use... |
| 07:29.07 | valdyn | MrB_: except that you could think that they are leaders in tech _because_ they can think longterm |
| 07:29.20 | MrB_ | I just post what the article said ... |
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| 07:30.07 | valdyn | MrB_: sure, point is they make 100mbit available for home users, sure some institutions needs that and way more |
| 07:30.18 | utopia_ | wtf |
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| 07:30.23 | utopia_ | 100mbit for home users |
| 07:30.29 | MrB_ | for what they need that much we dont know but if something happend a lot of breachs like D.o.S it could be easy to take from Asia... its too dangerous that speed in regular users... |
| 07:30.30 | bytekode | yeah that's not unusual... |
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| 07:31.02 | valdyn | japan is 100mbit for home users, i dunno about the tiger states |
| 07:31.22 | utopia_ | japan has a problem with recluse's |
| 07:31.27 | utopia_ | now i know why >:) |
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| 07:32.23 | valdyn | i could need 100mbit just fine.. |
| 07:32.38 | MrB_ | Alam: UE clan ? |
| 07:32.42 | utopia_ | for what valdyn |
| 07:33.03 | valdyn | utopia_: hddvd quality movies |
| 07:33.14 | MrB_ | I have a T1 and I think its enough... |
| 07:33.18 | utopia_ | hmm ya |
| 07:33.25 | utopia_ | what speeds do T1 give? |
| 07:33.28 | MrB_ | My uncle has 20mbps and thats amazing... |
| 07:33.31 | MrB_ | 1.5mn |
| 07:33.35 | MrB_ | 1.5mb |
| 07:33.53 | valdyn | t1 should be nice low latency |
| 07:34.09 | utopia_ | thats not alot MrB_ |
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| 07:34.21 | MrB_ | utopia_: which speed ? |
| 07:34.40 | utopia_ | 1.5 |
| 07:35.04 | MrB_ | for me its enough... |
| 07:35.21 | simon_ | adsl2 gives 24mbit if you're close the the exchange. |
| 07:35.38 | MrB_ | utopia_: I had 20mbps in my power and thats too much... theres no fun downloading at 1MB per sec... |
| 07:35.56 | utopia_ | MrB_, but for movies n stuff |
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| 07:36.25 | MrB_ | utopia_: I dont wast my space in movies... |
| 07:36.39 | utopia_ | ah |
| 07:36.57 | MrB_ | Im not a movie guy |
| 07:37.06 | Venom | simonnn |
| 07:37.43 | simon_ | Venom: yeah? |
| 07:37.54 | Venom | need help with the atheros stuff still haha |
| 07:38.12 | simon_ | Venom: what's wrong with it? |
| 07:38.20 | Venom | still doesn't do anything |
| 07:38.39 | Venom | this is all I got FATAL: Module madwifi not found. |
| 07:38.44 | epsilon | why not 100MBit or GBit Ethernet/Fiber at home |
| 07:38.51 | Venom | it should be installed |
| 07:38.59 | MrB_ | epsilon: Fiber too expensive ... |
| 07:39.02 | simon_ | Venom: yes, it should be. |
| 07:39.14 | MrB_ | they give u the same speed only that the latency its better... |
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| 07:39.19 | Venom | any other ideas of steps I could take? |
| 07:39.20 | MrB_ | need a fiber card ... |
| 07:39.27 | epsilon | Fiber to House, then DSL/Ethernet to each User, already planned and done in Germany |
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| 07:39.38 | epsilon | I have myself 50/10MBit VDSL |
| 07:39.44 | MrB_ | epsilon: depends how many computers... |
| 07:39.53 | simon_ | Venom: You did install it... didn't you? |
| 07:40.06 | Venom | I've done everything you told me to |
| 07:40.23 | MrB_ | Venom: where are you from ? |
| 07:40.37 | Venom | canada |
| 07:40.51 | MrB_ | Venom: my bad it taught it was another guy xD |
| 07:40.55 | MrB_ | I |
| 07:41.03 | Venom | haha |
| 07:41.33 | MrB_ | Anybody has linux on a vaio ? |
| 07:41.46 | MrB_ | I mean Debian GNU/Linux |
| 07:41.48 | simon_ | Venom: oh hehe |
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| 07:42.24 | simon_ | Venom: modprobe ath |
| 07:42.38 | Venom | not found... |
| 07:42.40 | liable | ath-pci |
| 07:43.06 | Venom | when I modprobe ath0pci, it doesn't say fatal |
| 07:43.11 | Venom | ath-pci* |
| 07:43.18 | Venom | is that an improvement? |
| 07:43.19 | Venom | haha |
| 07:43.20 | liable | check dmesg |
| 07:44.01 | simon_ | Venom: I'm mostly afk. I'm watching Blakes 7 :D |
| 07:44.27 | Venom | ok, modprobe doesn't really find stuff but I checked ifconfig, there's... |
| 07:44.38 | Venom | an ath0, and a wifi0 |
| 07:44.47 | Venom | wifi0 says link encap:unspec |
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| 07:45.03 | Venom | ath0 says link encap: ethernet |
| 07:45.07 | simon_ | Venom: the ath0 is the one you want. try |
| 07:45.11 | Venom | and eth1 says link encap ethernet |
| 07:45.22 | liable | ath0 is what yoyu want, configure that device, and go read the user docs at madwifi.org |
| 07:45.40 | simon_ | Venom: liable seems to know what he's on about. |
| 07:45.49 | Venom | ok, one sec, gona test something |
| 07:46.40 | Venom | . |
| 07:46.44 | Venom | am i still in here |
| 07:47.13 | liable | no |
| 07:47.22 | EdijusXP | valdyn: Done. Now you can remove file. |
| 07:47.40 | EdijusXP | valdyn: Thank you. Have a nice day, bye. |
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| 07:52.28 | CryoVenom | testing |
| 07:52.34 | CryoVenom | hehe wicked |
| 07:52.49 | CryoVenom | looks like I took my own username |
| 07:52.54 | CryoVenom | wireless works now! |
| 07:53.01 | CryoVenom | I'll be back in a min, gonna move to my room |
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| 08:08.58 | Venom | . |
| 08:09.27 | Venom | you there simon? |
| 08:09.51 | maddash | holy cow, 96 MB in 6 minutes |
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| 08:12.28 | epsilon | dsl |
| 08:12.41 | epsilon | echan! |
| 08:12.47 | streuner | dialup! |
| 08:12.57 | blahness | Hi! I am trying to remove a package with apt-get/aptitude...it gives me a list of packages it will remove along with it...is there a way i can have it remove those packages except one of them? |
| 08:13.10 | streuner | no |
| 08:13.25 | epsilon | not without breaking the dependencies |
| 08:13.54 | streuner | !rube goldberg install |
| 08:14.12 | streuner | !listkeys goldberg |
| 08:14.17 | minerale | all the sudden 'bmon' -- gives me a huge number of network interfaces, some named rose0.. : http://img160.imageshack.us/img160/5144/bmonal2.png |
| 08:14.23 | minerale | what are all those interfaces? |
| 08:14.26 | blahness | i am just going to re-install the package again...would it be a bad thing to remove it anyway? |
| 08:15.16 | streuner | blahness: show us the whole mess in paste.debian.net |
| 08:15.31 | streuner | blahness: plus sources.list |
| 08:16.11 | blahness | streuner: i am tyring to uninstall mysql-common, and it wants to bring along proftpd along with it, which i would rather it not....still want that paste? |
| 08:16.31 | streuner | heh |
| 08:16.33 | streuner | sure |
| 08:16.52 | epsilon | only proftp-mysql depends on mysql packages |
| 08:17.04 | epsilon | you use mysql for proftpd? |
| 08:17.12 | blahness | no i dont |
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| 08:17.30 | blahness | i had proftpd installed already, and just recently tried installing mysql |
| 08:17.31 | epsilon | then just don't use the mysql version of proftpd |
| 08:17.33 | streuner | you could disable ftp |
| 08:17.37 | streuner | (daemon), done |
| 08:17.53 | fignew | hey achille :) |
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| 08:19.16 | wAndyw78 | Some hints where the conversion from AT-Keyboard Scancodes to chars and virtual keys is mode in kernel? I want to implement it in µC and want to avoid reinventing the wheel |
| 08:19.31 | blahness | well, like i said...i am not using mysql with proftpd...i just want to uninstall mysql without it taking along proftpd...i am not sure how "not using the mysql version of it" would help if it wants to bring along the whole package with mysql |
| 08:19.32 | wAndyw78 | s/mode/made/g |
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| 08:20.21 | streuner | blahness: care you to paste that stuff first with sources.list? |
| 08:20.58 | blahness | sure...just a second |
| 08:22.34 | epsilon | arg, proftpd really depends on a mysql package, which depends on mysql-common :( |
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| 08:23.07 | blahness | i was running proftpd just fine without mysql =/ |
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| 08:23.37 | blahness | well, i suppose it may have pulled in a certain package |
| 08:24.12 | afat | blahness, do I look fat to you? |
| 08:24.33 | streuner | afat: keep the convo on topic, please. |
| 08:24.43 | epsilon | afat? arafat? |
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| 08:24.53 | streuner | blahness: whats with the "paste"? |
| 08:25.58 | blahness | streuner: heh...i am away from home so am on a windows box...and putty isnt letting me copy/paste... |
| 08:27.57 | streuner | make a screenshot and use imageshack.us |
| 08:31.41 | blahness | http://paste.debian.net/44466 |
| 08:31.46 | blahness | sorry for the delay.. |
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| 08:34.33 | epsilon | well exactly what it says, removeing mysql-common will also remove the listed packages |
| 08:34.58 | blahness | yes...and i just want to have a way to not have it uninstall proftpd as well |
| 08:35.19 | blahness | will it matter if i break dependencies if i am just going to re-install it again |
| 08:35.55 | epsilon | why reinstall i nfirst way? |
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| 08:36.21 | wols | blahness: when you reinstall proftpd it will reinstall mysql-common |
| 08:36.51 | wols | only way you can avoid is is creating your own proftpd package |
| 08:37.02 | wols | get its package source and make it not use mysql anywhere |
| 08:37.29 | blahness | epsilon: mostly because i made a series of bad decisions and would like to simply start over from the start |
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| 08:38.30 | epsilon | then secure the proftpd conf (which won't be deleted anyway, as long you don't use --purge option) and uninstall&reinstall the whole dependency |
| 08:38.47 | epsilon | it's not that big number of packages to reconfigure |
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| 08:39.22 | blahness | i thought about that, but wasnt sure if the .conf was the only thing i had to preserve to have proftpd act as it did before |
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| 08:40.21 | epsilon | did you do any change to proftpd at all? |
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| 08:41.35 | epsilon | it's stuff in /etc/proftpd, then maybe logrotate. few binaries/libs and stuff in /var you don't touch usualy |
| 08:42.04 | blahness | i suppose i shall just bite the bullet and re-configure both |
| 08:42.13 | epsilon | I don't understand why you make so big drama of it... |
| 08:42.14 | blahness | (if needed, i guess) |
| 08:42.38 | blahness | heh..just trying to optimize my time |
| 08:42.43 | blahness | thanks for all your help |
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| 08:42.56 | epsilon | just fucking do it instead whining here for another hour |
| 08:43.39 | epsilon | man! for that stupid question I wated 30min of my life |
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| 08:44.11 | Pirate_Hunter | been researching does ubuntu underclock/scale the cpu by itself? if so than it would explain why my cpu is running at 2.8ghz and if i wish for it to run at normal speed what can I do? |
| 08:44.34 | epsilon | !ubuntu |
| 08:44.41 | bytekode | i use powersaved to have my cpu throttle down when not in use |
| 08:44.45 | bytekode | it doesn't impact performance |
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| 08:44.51 | bytekode | saves on heat though :-) |
| 08:44.57 | streuner | aptitude, ubuntu |
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| 08:45.14 | streuner | apt, ubuntu |
| 08:45.19 | epsilon | Pirate_Hunter: ask in #ubuntu |
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| 08:45.28 | wols | &ubuntu |
| 08:45.32 | Pirate_Hunter | bytekode: thats the problem i have a desktop so i dont need it, i think its good they took consideration but on a desktop it shouldnt be used |
| 08:45.45 | streuner | wols, hah |
| 08:45.45 | bytekode | Pirate_Hunter: why would it be bad to use on a desktop? |
| 08:45.57 | Pirate_Hunter | epsilon: i did they have no clue and since ubuntu is a variation of debian i thought of asking here |
| 08:45.59 | wols | bytekode: continue your talk in #ubuntu please |
| 08:46.08 | bytekode | wols: i'm not talking about ubuntu? ubuntu sucks |
| 08:46.15 | bytekode | it's for people who can't run debian :-) |
| 08:46.15 | Pirate_Hunter | bytekode: cause i lack speed on certain apps and it spikes |
| 08:46.21 | fignew | Pirate_Hunter: what does cat /proc/cpuinfo say? |
| 08:46.24 | wols | bytekode: but you are currently supporting #ubuntu |
| 08:46.26 | bytekode | Pirate_Hunter: it's supposed to... it throttles down when NOT in use |
| 08:46.38 | bytekode | wols: um, if you say so |
| 08:46.41 | wols | fignew: go help him in #ubuntu, not here |
| 08:46.45 | fignew | lolololol ubuntu are for stupid n00bs |
| 08:46.48 | hoxu | !not supporting wols |
| 08:46.54 | bytekode | turn everything into a holy war if you want, i don't give a fuck |
| 08:46.57 | hoxu | ahh damn, I forgot the damn bots are dead :\ |
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| 08:47.07 | Pirate_Hunter | bytekode: im using it now and still running at 2.8ghz instead of 3.2 like normal intel pentium 4 prescots are supposed to |
| 08:47.14 | hoxu | edgy sunday morning gentlemen :p |
| 08:47.26 | bytekode | Pirate_Hunter: all i do is apt-get install powersaved and everything is perfect for me :P |
| 08:47.31 | bytekode | more than that i can't really tell you |
| 08:47.39 | Pirate_Hunter | fignew: it reads the processor as 3.2 prescot but runs at 2.8ghz and spikes at 3.2ghz |
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| 08:47.59 | bytekode | usually it cycles down to half its full speed... that's really odd behavior |
| 08:48.03 | valdyn | !offtopic |
| 08:48.09 | valdyn | !ping |
| 08:48.11 | fignew | if it reads 3.2 then it's running at 3.2 |
| 08:48.18 | wols | valdyn: dpkg is gone, and the idiots rule the house |
| 08:48.20 | Pirate_Hunter | bytekode: yeha i know |
| 08:48.23 | fignew | perhaps the CPU is overheating? |
| 08:48.25 | wols | without a clue about anything but lots of talk |
| 08:48.38 | valdyn | i miss greycat |
| 08:48.43 | bytekode | aw, wols is butthurt :) |
| 08:48.48 | Pirate_Hunter | fignew: it shows that the processor is a prescot 3.2 but reads it at 2.8 yeah i know weird |
| 08:48.50 | hoxu | apt, comfort wols |
| 08:48.51 | apt | There, there, wols. It's OK. I'm here for you. |
| 08:49.06 | bytekode | hoxu: thanks |
| 08:49.08 | streuner | valdyn: lots of people do the same |
| 08:49.25 | Pirate_Hunter | fignew: nah im sure of that in windows environment it works fine its just linux is acting weird |
| 08:49.47 | Pirate_Hunter | bytekode: im trying not to save power i want it off |
| 08:50.02 | fignew | what's telling you that it's running at 2.8ghz? |
| 08:50.27 | Pirate_Hunter | fignew: yeap |
| 08:50.40 | fignew | what? |
| 08:50.42 | fignew | program? |
| 08:51.43 | Pirate_Hunter | fignew: what do you mean what? program? in general from the moment i boot it reads 2.8ghz let me paste my link to my cpuinfo file in ubuntu |
| 08:52.12 | fignew | it says 2.8ghz when it boots? |
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| 08:53.48 | Pirate_Hunter | fignew: please have a look http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=633040 oh and adding noapic didnt fix the prob youll understand when you read it |
| 08:54.35 | valdyn | creating a connection between apic and cpu frequency control isnt funny |
| 08:55.03 | bytekode | Pirate_Hunter: most people in here (aka assholes) will hate on you because you use ubuntu... you're better off asking in #ubuntu |
| 08:55.11 | fignew | ok |
| 08:55.11 | bytekode | to avoid further flames from said assholes |
| 08:55.27 | Penix | damn Debian-using assholes |
| 08:55.31 | bytekode | indeed :-) |
| 08:55.32 | Penix | how dare they |
| 08:55.51 | Pirate_Hunter | bytekode: i did it didnt help i dont mind those ppl cause they will one day need help just like me and i might hold the answer and the tables will turn, but than im used to irc so i ignore |
| 08:56.07 | hoxu | awfully nice of you to call them assholes, I can almost feel how much it's warming up the atmosphere |
| 08:56.10 | bytekode | users on this network are fickle |
| 08:56.10 | wols | Pirate_Hunter: unlike you we know where to go |
| 08:56.18 | Pirate_Hunter | fignew: do you understand my problem now and ignore that last post |
| 08:56.30 | Pirate_Hunter | wols: yeha sadly you do |
| 08:56.45 | fignew | Pirate_Hunter: not sure what's installed by default in ubuntu... but try sudo /etc/init.d/powernowd stop |
| 08:56.49 | Penix | humans are fickle |
| 08:56.51 | valdyn | is there no bot available that is capable of !ops ? |
| 08:56.56 | fignew | and read off /proc/cpuinfo again |
| 08:57.01 | wols | valdyn: aptitude perhaps |
| 08:57.07 | streuner | valdyn: it seems actually no |
| 08:57.11 | valdyn | aptitude: ops |
| 08:57.14 | bytekode | awww run and get your ops : ( |
| 08:57.16 | Pirate_Hunter | fignew: kk will try give me a sec plz |
| 08:57.17 | streuner | aptitude doesnt work too |
| 08:57.25 | wols | &ping |
| 08:57.25 | streuner | ravenbird, hi |
| 08:57.25 | valdyn | to bad |
| 08:57.26 | ravenbird | Many greetings, streuner, most strange traveller, to this IRCdom of plenty. |
| 08:57.31 | valdyn | &ops |
| 08:57.35 | valdyn | hmm |
| 08:57.48 | wols | valdyn: isn't there #debian-ops? |
| 08:58.16 | fignew | :rolleyes: |
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| 08:58.33 | valdyn | wols: there is, but invite only it seems |
| 08:58.43 | wols | damn snobs! |
| 08:58.49 | valdyn | ! |
| 08:59.24 | Pirate_Hunter | fignew: yeap it moved to 3.2mhz yeha how nice how do i make it permanent so it does that every reboot |
| 08:59.43 | Penix | I hate when I can't tell whether the liquid I spilled on my keyboard is alcohol or water... |
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| 09:00.29 | liable | if you cant remember, prolly booze |
| 09:00.41 | fignew | Pirate_Hunter: you could rm -f /etc/init.d/powernowd and /etc/init.d/powernowd.early but there's prob. a better way ;) |
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| 09:00.49 | fignew | or |
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| 09:01.04 | fignew | apt-get remove powernowd |
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| 09:03.16 | Pirate_Hunter | fignew: yeha i was just thinking if there was a away to keep it off permanently and only turn it on when i want but i guess that would be too much to ask for, like they say perfection is hard to achieve |
| 09:03.36 | bytekode | Pirate_Hunter: check pm |
| 09:03.43 | fignew | well... that's quite possible |
| 09:04.07 | bytekode | remove it from runlevels 2-5 ... i'd use sysv-rc-conf to do it (little console editor for startup scripts) |
| 09:05.53 | Pirate_Hunter | bytekode: yeha thanx so that would keep it off but it would allow me to turn it on when i think its necessary? |
| 09:05.56 | Pirate_Hunter | fignew: its back to normal and that is what counts thanx very much |
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| 09:06.03 | bytekode | yeah |
| 09:06.11 | bytekode | check /etc/inittab (at the top) to find your default runlevel |
| 09:06.22 | bytekode | you'd enable powernowd in that runlevel and reboot and it'd come on automatically |
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| 09:06.36 | fignew | no need to reboot ;) |
| 09:06.52 | bytekode | i'm just saying for example, on his next reboot it'd start by itself :P |
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| 09:10.31 | Pirate_Hunter | bytekode, fignew: thanx this was more helpful than asking in ubuntu thanx very much you hit the answer on the nail |
| 09:10.40 | bytekode | :-) |
| 09:12.26 | bytekode | also, you press Q to exit sysv-rc-conf |
| 09:12.29 | bytekode | if you didn't figure that out yet |
| 09:13.07 | Pirate_Hunter | bytekode: lol i wouldnt have figured it out maybe after 30min or so if it wasnt obvious |
| 09:13.14 | bytekode | :-) |
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| 09:18.15 | orveldv | whenever I try to start nfs-kernel-server I get this message into my logs: "nfssvc: Address already in use" and NFS refuses to start ; did anyone see this problem before? |
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| 09:19.01 | valdyn | orveldv: is it already started? is the nfs-user-server installed too? |
| 09:20.14 | orveldv | valdyn: no, nfs-user-server is not installed ; portmap starts ok, but nfs-kernel-server doesn't ; rpcinfo -p shows just the portmapper |
| 09:20.21 | valdyn | orveldv: "netstat -plunt | grep 2049" |
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| 09:21.09 | orveldv | valdyn: |
| 09:21.10 | orveldv | udp 0 0 0.0.0.0:2049 0.0.0.0:* 1860/dnsmasq |
| 09:21.20 | orveldv | so this is the problem? |
| 09:21.24 | valdyn | orveldv: yes |
| 09:21.29 | valdyn | orveldv: what is it doing there? |
| 09:21.39 | xingu | valdyn: I've been bitten by a nasty nasty bug in the nfs stack before; portmapper isn't at all bothered about doling out ports that are already bound. |
| 09:21.55 | orveldv | valdyn: I'm using it, of course ;-) |
| 09:22.13 | xingu | valdyn: not saying that's what's going on here; but I've had mountd get mapped to port 137 in days of yore to obvious and hilarious effect |
| 09:22.14 | wols | orveldv: but donsmasq has nothing to do with nfs. it should do dns and dhcp only |
| 09:22.17 | valdyn | xingu: i dont really know how nfs works, i just grepped in /etc/services |
| 09:22.28 | fignew | I've come across this too :P |
| 09:22.29 | valdyn | xingu: which showed my 2049 as being an nfs port |
| 09:22.38 | orveldv | wols: you're right, and that's what I'm using it for |
| 09:23.57 | valdyn | orveldv: stop dnsmasq and just try again |
| 09:24.09 | valdyn | orveldv: i cant debug portmap for you |
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| 09:24.46 | orveldv | valdyn: ok, thanks a lot for the hint |
| 09:24.55 | orveldv | wols: thank you too ;) |
| 09:25.21 | valdyn | maybe dnsmasq shouldnt be using that port, or maybe its portmaps fault, i dont know |
| 09:25.23 | rage | Okay, this is strange, what could break gstreamer for one user, but not another, and has nothing to do with any files located in ~/* ? |
| 09:25.41 | valdyn | rage: why dont you give us the actual error? |
| 09:25.48 | rage | Just a sec |
| 09:27.05 | rage | Restoring my home directory |
| 09:27.46 | rage | Running gnome obviously, when in sound preferences no audio hardware is shown |
| 09:28.07 | valdyn | rage: that user is not in the audio group? |
| 09:28.07 | rage | Error shown when a test is attempted "audiotestsrc wave=sine freq=512 ! audioconvert ! audioresample ! gconfaudiosink: Internal GStreamer error: state change failed. Please file a bug at http://bugzilla.gnome.org/enter_bug.cgi?product=GStreamer." |
| 09:28.15 | rage | Thats probably it |
| 09:28.38 | rage | hurrr |
| 09:28.48 | rage | Thanks :-) |
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| 09:32.05 | wols | valdyn: by default portmap runs from init.d not portmapper |
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| 09:35.02 | orveldv | I'm going to change the order of the init scripts, start portmap and nfs-kernel-server first, and dnsmasq afterwards |
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| 09:35.08 | orveldv | let's see what happens |
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| 09:36.11 | spy | how do I disable the framebuffer during the installation? giving ELILO the options "video=vesa:off vga=normal" makes no effect, I still get a framebuffer (with two Tux images at the top) |
| 09:36.14 | darkstego | how can I find the weekly build ISO CDs for testing, they seem to have dissappeared |
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| 09:36.43 | apoth | hi all! |
| 09:37.15 | apoth | i need a bit help to mdf files (and sorry, my englis is bad) |
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| 09:38.01 | apoth | anybody can help to me? |
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| 09:39.55 | apoth | ok, bye |
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| 09:41.52 | xingu | nvidia really ought to produce a "top" binary that allows you to connect the functional components of a series7 or series8 gpu back to the thread id on the host side that's keeping them busy |
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| 09:44.25 | rage | gtop :-) I like the idea |
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| 09:47.15 | simon_ | compiz fusion is great. the scale plugin is the best thing since tiling window managers. |
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| 09:48.32 | cast | e16 still floats my boat more :\ |
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| 09:50.02 | simon_ | I tried to set it up like a tiling window manager once. I didn't have much success. Then my brother broke my computer (screwdriver across the motherboard), so without a computer witha good graphics card, I stopped looking into it. |
| 09:50.04 | xingu | simon_: it's certainly a great way to immerse yourself in the wealth of problems the still-relatively-raw 3d world has at the moment, imho :) |
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| 09:53.27 | W31c0m3 | hello, pls how do i find which sound device is my default ? |
| 09:53.52 | streuner | if you using OSS /dev/dsp |
| 09:54.08 | W31c0m3 | alsa |
| 09:54.08 | cahoot | the one corresponding to /proc/asound/card0 |
| 09:54.08 | cast | just play something. |
| 09:54.22 | maddash | wow...it's amazing the kind of porno that floats around the net |
| 09:54.23 | wols | streuner: when was OSS default in debian? |
| 09:54.34 | maddash | shoot |
| 09:54.48 | bytekode | wrong channel? :-) |
| 09:54.56 | maddash | wrong window. stupid wm. |
| 09:54.59 | streuner | wols: years ago, but there are people who just use it still |
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| 09:55.25 | paq7512 | why is debian so big compared to all the other linux distros? |
| 09:55.32 | bytekode | troll alert |
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| 09:55.58 | DDave | xD |
| 09:56.01 | cahoot | paq7512: it has the most modest userbase |
| 09:56.02 | maddash | since when has OSS not been deprecated? |
| 09:56.17 | cast | paq7512: debian is within a few months the age of slackware, so its been around a very long time and has attracted quite a following, i suppose. |
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| 09:57.01 | fignew | maybe he means big as in selection of software :) |
| 09:57.09 | maddash | anyone know how I can get aptitude to stop pining for the fglrx update? apt-pinning doesn't work... |
| 09:57.12 | Aaron_Mason | is there something in linux that can implement session limits? I use dropbear for my ssh daemon and my sessions keep crashing, so i want to put an idle timeout on my sessions |
| 09:57.14 | rage | paq7512: Perhaps you should clarify, are you refering to the size of cd images you're trying to download? or just in general? |
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| 09:57.44 | rage | For most people only a cds worth of software can get a nice system up and running, you dont need all the images |
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| 09:57.57 | cast | definitely don't get all the images |
| 09:58.10 | Penix | Aaron_Mason: that's probably up to the ssh daemon |
| 09:58.19 | paq7512 | hmm should i just get dvd1 then? |
| 09:58.43 | bytekode | paq7512: if you have a decent internet connection, i'd go with the net install cd... least hassle in my opinion |
| 09:58.50 | rage | paq7512: Yes indeed, that should be a enough to get a nice desktop enviroment up and running, assuming if thats what you want |
| 09:58.56 | wols | &hold |
| 09:59.04 | rage | and bytekode is correct, the net install cd is a really good option |
| 09:59.09 | rage | you only download what you need |
| 09:59.15 | paq7512 | good idea |
| 09:59.29 | rage | To answer your question |
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| 10:00.18 | rage | the reason why debian is so big, all those cd images have every single application that can possibly be installed in Debian, thats a lot of packages. In general most users only use a small percentage of programs available |
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| 10:00.41 | paq7512 | ok |
| 10:00.44 | paq7512 | thanks |
| 10:01.07 | rage | no problem :-) I hope I made sense |
| 10:01.13 | paq7512 | very |
| 10:01.22 | Aaron_Mason | Penix, I use dropbear |
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| 10:02.03 | paq7512 | i have been using Mandriva, in my laptop but then for my desktop i need an Nvidia card, dunno what one to get yet |
| 10:02.21 | paq7512 | i really want to get good with Linux, also have been playing with FreeBsd |
| 10:02.23 | wols | paq7512: #hardware |
| 10:02.29 | bytekode | lol |
| 10:02.46 | paq7512 | that is one thing i am good at mate :D |
| 10:02.49 | rage | There is an unsupported version of Debian FreeBSD |
| 10:02.52 | paq7512 | just don't know what one |
| 10:02.59 | bytekode | 8800gtx |
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| 10:03.07 | wols | paq7512: you are offtopic. ask #hardware |
| 10:03.12 | bytekode | although it can't run crysis on max graphics, so... :P |
| 10:03.19 | plodder | anybody got vbox running on etch? |
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| 10:04.23 | cast | yes. |
| 10:04.45 | paq7512 | thanks guys |
| 10:04.45 | W31c0m3 | sorry for my dumminess ... in /proc/asound/ is symlink NVidia -> card0 which seems to be the one, but there are several dir and files inside. if i try e.g. the first one there is pcm0c/sub0/. there are again files like status, info ... etc, but i fail to find ANY link to real device ? |
| 10:04.59 | Aaron_Mason | ok, next question, is there a program to convert timestamps like "23:45m" and "01:01h" to the equivalent in seconds |
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| 10:05.18 | man_in_shack | so i've noticed a couple of packages with ~debian in the version. is this a new standard? |
| 10:05.18 | cahoot | W31c0m3: test sound with 'speaker-test' |
| 10:05.50 | W31c0m3 | cahoot: my sound is working ok, i just need WHICH device is my sound device |
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| 10:06.45 | cahoot | W31c0m3: alsa,hw:0 |
| 10:06.56 | cast | Aaron_Mason: what's 01:01h? |
| 10:06.57 | Guerin | man_in_shack: no, it's always been. |
| 10:07.09 | man_in_shack | :| |
| 10:07.26 | man_in_shack | Guerin, so why haven't i seen it until pretty much just now? |
| 10:07.31 | Aaron_Mason | cast: i'm just guessing what it would come out as if it had to do hours... would it do 61:01m instead? |
| 10:07.41 | Guerin | man_in_shack: not very commonly used. |
| 10:07.56 | man_in_shack | ok |
| 10:07.57 | W31c0m3 | cahoot: this is certainly not what i have to put in streaming client's config file |
| 10:07.59 | cast | normally syntax is HH:MM or HH:MM:SS |
| 10:08.38 | man_in_shack | Guerin, are there any guidelines on when to/not to use it, or is it just a general but optional convention? |
| 10:08.48 | Guerin | man_in_shack: dunno. |
| 10:08.52 | man_in_shack | ok |
| 10:08.56 | man_in_shack | Guerin, thanks |
| 10:09.10 | cahoot | W31c0m3: what steraming ap? |
| 10:09.16 | cahoot | meh |
| 10:09.19 | W31c0m3 | cahoot: darkice |
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| 10:09.41 | Aaron_Mason | cast: well here's a typical line from w (where I get the time from): amason pts/0 121-79-25-195-ds 09:09 50:57m 0.11s 0.09s -bash |
| 10:10.55 | cahoot | W31c0m3: is that app alsa-aware? |
| 10:11.03 | cast | Aaron_Mason: i'd look for a more direct way to get the starting time personally, since that'll turn into Nov30 etc...for things that have been running a while |
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| 10:12.00 | cahoot | W31c0m3: google seems to imply it wants /dev/dsp i e alsas oss emulation |
| 10:12.23 | W31c0m3 | cahoot: yes, in man :* ALSA audio devices |
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| 10:14.46 | Internat | using lvextend is there an easy way to just make it extend to the max? |
| 10:14.56 | Internat | without specifiying the size that the max is |
| 10:15.12 | cahoot | W31c0m3: device = hw:0,0 ? |
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| 10:15.35 | Aaron_Mason | cast: i don't intend to let them run that long |
| 10:16.12 | ^Timo^ | Hi. |
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| 10:17.31 | ^Timo^ | someone told me yesterday about SFU services for windows can anyone confirm if there is a x64 version of the windows SFU services? |
| 10:18.04 | Aaron_Mason | SFU? |
| 10:18.29 | ^Timo^ | yes. Aaron_Mason : http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/interopmigration/bb380242.aspx |
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| 10:19.20 | ^Timo^ | i want to know if there is a x64 version avalible. |
| 10:19.27 | Penix | why are you asking #debian then? |
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| 10:20.36 | ^Timo^ | sorry someguy here told me about it |
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| 10:20.46 | ^Timo^ | i just gonna ask in #windows |
| 10:20.47 | Penix | he should've told you about google |
| 10:20.55 | ^Timo^ | yes yes |
| 10:20.58 | ^Timo^ | i have googled already |
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| 10:22.50 | Penix | from what I can find after a minute or so, is that 3.5 seems to be supported on 64 bit server 2003 |
| 10:22.57 | Penix | and that's old |
| 10:23.27 | wols | ^Timo^: you are still OT. do you have a debian related question? |
| 10:23.54 | xand | ^Timo^: run along to ##windows |
| 10:24.13 | urv_ | i think he got it |
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| 10:25.19 | grub | hey all, i still get http://rafb.net/p/RZ3o6A11.html when i try to run screenlets-manager. I have python-gtk2 installed. I am on debian lenny and installed screenlets from the repos, any idea whats wrong? |
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| 10:27.09 | HardDisk_WP | hi |
| 10:28.13 | HardDisk_WP | how do I turn off NCQ?? |
| 10:28.30 | HardDisk_WP | it slows down my system inacceptable |
| 10:28.49 | Penix | wanna swap for an Ultra 2 drive? |
| 10:29.02 | Penix | you don't need that serial nonsense |
| 10:29.13 | cast | real men run in parallel |
| 10:29.20 | HardDisk_WP | and always errors like http://pastebin.ca/809899 |
| 10:29.21 | HardDisk_WP | ack |
| 10:29.23 | HardDisk_WP | but how do I turn off that shit? |
| 10:29.27 | HardDisk_WP | ack |
| 10:30.37 | wols | http://linux-ata.org/faq.html#ncq |
| 10:31.47 | plodder | cast: is that a yes for vbox on etch? if so, you got a good howto or some tips to follow_ |
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| 10:32.18 | cast | plodder: that was a yes to your question, but i have NFI beyond that |
| 10:32.21 | xingu | HardDisk_WP: cat /sys/block/sda/device/model ? |
| 10:32.24 | HardDisk_WP | wols, system is usable again...thanks |
| 10:32.40 | HardDisk_WP | WDC WD1600BEVS-2 |
| 10:32.46 | wols | xingu: controller would be interesting too |
| 10:32.47 | urv_ | grub: the gtk module is loaded before pygtk.require is executed, i guess |
| 10:33.03 | plodder | cast: nice one, but NFI and a working vbox - how did you do that??? :) |
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| 10:33.24 | grub | urv_, nah, i checked that, pygtk.require is called before importing gtk |
| 10:33.43 | wols | grub: how about asking #python? |
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| 10:34.06 | plodder | is it a python programme? I had no idea! |
| 10:34.10 | wols | !tell plodder about errors |
| 10:34.10 | urv_ | grub: well that's what the error message is telling you |
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| 10:34.32 | HardDisk_WP | wols, how do I find out? |
| 10:34.33 | grub | urv_, hm, i try rearranging some of those lines |
| 10:34.38 | wols | HardDisk_WP: lspci |
| 10:34.38 | HardDisk_WP | (the controller) |
| 10:35.03 | urv_ | grub: well maybe some of the module wich are loaded do load gtk before pygtk.require |
| 10:35.05 | HardDisk_WP | wols, http://pastebin.ca/809901 |
| 10:35.06 | wols | plodder: not everything said in here is about your problem |
| 10:35.11 | urv_ | grub: did you checked that too? |
| 10:35.24 | grub | hm |
| 10:35.27 | wols | ich8 then |
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| 10:35.32 | plodder | wols: yeah, shame that ;) |
| 10:35.32 | grub | nope, checking that too |
| 10:37.01 | xingu | HardDisk_WP: http://marc.info/?l=linux-kernel&m=118789093418142&w=2 <-- not just you, probably busted firmware; needs to go on the ncq blacklist |
| 10:37.10 | HardDisk_WP | okay |
| 10:37.12 | grub | urv_, heh, i imported pygtk and called .require in screenlets-manager.py ( it was done in __init__.py) and it starts now |
| 10:37.36 | HardDisk_WP | thanks |
| 10:37.43 | HardDisk_WP | xingu, where is the blacklist? |
| 10:37.44 | Batchy | HardDisk_WP: well the linux kernel also blacklist NCQ on some WD drives because ''NCQ is slow'' |
| 10:39.05 | urv_ | grub: ok cool - maybe the error was the exact opposite :) |
| 10:39.42 | Batchy | it's in the drivers/ata/libata-core.c (or something) source file, but you need to recompile the kernel ... |
| 10:40.00 | xingu | HardDisk_WP: ..src/linux/drivers/ata/libata-core.c: ata_device_blacklist [] ... ATA_HORKAGE_NONCQ ... |
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| 10:40.32 | xingu | HardDisk_WP: report it to jgarzik@pobox.com with drive+controller detail and also ref that marc.info link I just pasted. |
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| 10:41.19 | HardDisk_WP | xingu, okay |
| 10:42.30 | HardDisk_WP | xingu, btw does that stuff cause data loss? |
| 10:43.05 | xingu | HardDisk_WP: if it claims to do ncq and gets it wrong, you're asking me to solve the halting problem by asking that question. :) |
| 10:43.31 | abchirk | What was the name of the thememanager "gnome-theme-manager" I dont have |
| 10:43.40 | xingu | at this stage let's just say it's a rumsfeldian known unknown |
| 10:43.54 | HardDisk_WP | k |
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| 10:47.18 | simonrvn | xingu: hehe, you daily show/colbert report watcher you |
| 10:47.59 | xingu | wha? :) |
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| 10:48.01 | urv_ | grub: did you try to change the order of importing modules in "screenlets-manager.py". namely "import gtk" after "import screenlets"? |
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| 10:48.40 | RichiH | any suggestions on something like mtr that you can run to keep statistics of routes? |
| 10:48.44 | xingu | simonrvn: I listened to that speech as it was going to uplink and it made sense to me at the time; I'm actually grateful to the dude to putting that aspect of threat analysis so succinctly |
| 10:48.51 | RichiH | or just mtr in headless mode? |
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| 10:49.26 | simonrvn | xingu: my turn to say "wha?" |
| 10:49.29 | xingu | RichiH: do you mean routes, or reachability? |
| 10:49.48 | xingu | simonrvn: wondering why you think I'm a daily show watcher :) |
| 10:50.10 | simonrvn | "known unknown" |
| 10:50.11 | RichiH | xingu: both |
| 10:50.29 | RichiH | availability is more important, but i want to know when routes change |
| 10:50.41 | simonrvn | one of them did a funny take on tha speech |
| 10:50.44 | simonrvn | that |
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| 10:53.37 | xingu | RichiH: there's three workable strategies for modelling RIB; one, spin up quagga and establish a bgp session with the cluster of routers you're interested in; two, snmp-poll the cluster of routers and query their FIB for a given route; three, ping-poll router interfaces along some assumed path |
| 10:54.18 | HardDisk_WP | xingu, mail sent |
| 10:54.22 | xingu | RichiH: people that have tools to do either of the above, tend to sell them; but all the glue you need to roll one is widely available; perl, rrd, etc. |
| 10:54.27 | RichiH | xingu: in this case, only option three seems viable |
| 10:54.40 | xingu | HardDisk_WP: onya, he'll merge upstream in due course. |
| 10:55.24 | RichiH | xingu: yah, it's not hard to actually perl that up, just wondering if there is a readymade thingie |
| 10:56.31 | xingu | RichiH: opennms is probably about as close as it gets; but because _that_ part of the problem is relatively trivially solveable, you'll find that every management suite that has solved it, will appear to be a sledgehammer to your cockroach of a problem |
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| 10:58.18 | RichiH | xingu: well, i would not mind a full suite that logs *, but i am not sure if i can get that through |
| 10:58.28 | RichiH | looking at opennms, btw |
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| 11:00.30 | Gge | Hello , I have looked at graphic tablet . Sounds like watcom has some products compatible with Debian . has anybody already tested them ? |
| 11:00.42 | RichiH | bleh, the demo page does not list path outages |
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| 11:02.36 | RichiH | xingu: i fear i will need to bake my own, yah |
| 11:03.17 | RichiH | xingu: btw, rereading what i said: main thing is route quality, i.e. ping and such are important, as well |
| 11:03.36 | RichiH | xingu: while availability is important, we can monitor that in real time, already |
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| 11:08.57 | grub | urv_, i just added import pygtk and pygtk.require('2.0') at the top |
| 11:09.17 | grub | that should ensure it being called before anything else |
| 11:09.27 | urv_ | grub: yes that will do it - but please try also to import screenlets before import gtk |
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| 11:09.33 | urv_ | grub: maybe this is a bug |
| 11:09.37 | grub | hm |
| 11:11.07 | grub | urv_, yup, works with importing screenlets before gtk |
| 11:11.16 | grub | i guess that was the problem |
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| 11:12.35 | urv_ | grub: could you just send a bug report to debian BTS with "reportbug" and also add a patch? |
| 11:13.11 | grub | ok sure |
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| 11:15.53 | spy | anyone aware how to disable framebuffer during the installation? |
| 11:16.54 | wols | nofb? |
| 11:18.46 | spy | as an option to kernel? |
| 11:19.06 | spy | the installation guide suggests using fb=false, but it has no effect |
| 11:19.13 | spy | at least on Woody for IA-64 |
| 11:19.39 | spy | nor the vga=normal option works |
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| 11:20.24 | ghaster | Anyone who could tell me (kind of newbie) if its possible to upgrade from 3.1r4 Sarge to the new 4.0r1 etch? (and perhaps a point in the right direction to where to find some info bout that)? |
| 11:20.49 | cast | well the bot knows |
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| 11:23.19 | ghaster | how do you get info from the bot then?! |
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| 11:25.01 | cast | http://wiki.debian.org/Sarge2EtchUpgradeBlackboard |
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| 11:25.59 | ghaster | thx. tried to msg dpkg, but it wasnt available.. |
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| 11:28.24 | girl-Sexy | Please, this is important!! entry in www. Man-X.org a died man is on cameras!!! |
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| 11:32.44 | tralala | RichiH, did you see that? |
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| 11:34.09 | RichiH | tralala: no & thanks |
| 11:34.31 | tralala | we thank you |
| 11:34.42 | tralala | for keeping the shop clean :) |
| 11:34.51 | RichiH | no problem |
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| 11:36.50 | fat-lobyte_ | hi |
| 11:37.04 | fat-lobyte_ | how can i change the default output device for gnome? |
| 11:37.42 | tralala | video/audio/printing/other output device? |
| 11:37.53 | RichiH | fat-lobyte_: /etc/X11/xorg.conf |
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| 11:38.05 | fat-lobyte_ | audio sorry, forgot to mention |
| 11:38.15 | RichiH | tralala: good question, yah |
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| 11:38.22 | fat-lobyte_ | any wrapper program for this file? |
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| 11:39.46 | fat-lobyte_ | the point is i have got a usb headset, and some applications are able to use them. Hower its not gnomes default adio output device |
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| 11:40.33 | cahoot | fat-lobyte_: if asoundconf works you should be able to set default card there |
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| 11:41.02 | tralala | fat-lobyte_, if you use esd, you might configure it as well |
| 11:41.17 | fat-lobyte_ | tralala, how can i use esd? |
| 11:41.41 | tralala | somewhere in the settings you should have something like sound server |
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| 11:41.56 | tralala | I'm sorry I can't be more specific - I'm not currently running gnome |
| 11:42.19 | fat-lobyte_ | ok, the thing with asoundconf worked |
| 11:42.39 | fat-lobyte_ | but adjusting the volume is actually quite strange... |
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| 11:43.36 | fat-lobyte_ | if i adjust volume level in rhythmbox, it reacts only after 5 seconds or so |
| 11:43.51 | tralala | fat-lobyte_, you might need to restart gnome |
| 11:44.42 | fat-lobyte_ | ok |
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| 11:45.07 | yommdabomm | How can I find out what commands my keyboard multimedia keys are sending ? (e.g. Volume keys) for setting up remote control...) |
| 11:45.17 | Enverex | fat-lobyte_, tralala : Actually it sounds more like a 5000ms buffer and it's using a software mixer |
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| 11:46.19 | tralala | yommdabomm, xev |
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| 11:47.38 | yommdabomm | tralala : xev doesn't show anything if I press keyboard buttons, it just shows window information and such.. |
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| 11:48.33 | tralala | yommdabomm, could you paste the output to rafb.net/paste |
| 11:49.02 | yommdabomm | tralal : Do you mean the xev output ? |
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| 11:49.52 | ibanez | Any idea what folder i need to install the firmware for the bcm43xx ? |
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| 11:51.42 | cahoot | ibanez: doesn't aptitude install bcm43xx-fwcutter take care of that? |
| 11:51.55 | ibanez | no idea mate. |
| 11:52.03 | tralala | ibanez, doesn't the driver complain if it can't find the firmware? |
| 11:52.41 | ibanez | well i can't tell. |
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| 11:53.47 | Sconk | are there no testing CD only DVD ? |
| 11:53.53 | tralala | ibanez, here's an idea - load the driver and check the output of dmesg |
| 11:54.03 | ibanez | thanks tralala |
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| 12:02.01 | Internat | this is probably a stupid question, but say i have a ssl cert, for my courier server, which runs on mail.domain.com and say my customers have aliases ie mail.theirdomain.com. if they configure their client for mail.theirdomain.com will they get an error when they try to connect to the secure server cause of the name? like apache, or does imap/pop/smtp handle that differently? |
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| 12:07.59 | tralala | Internat, the correct handling is for the client to complain that the server's certificate doesn't match the server name |
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| 12:08.25 | Internat | well thats unfortuante |
| 12:08.27 | hatter | why would i not have a .ssh file in my home directory ? |
| 12:08.38 | xingu | tralala: you'd almost think that the root ca's had built a business model around selling both names _and_ certificates. :) |
| 12:09.13 | ibanez | iwlist scan eth1 returns iwlist: unknown command `eth1' |
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| 12:09.45 | Internat | isnt the commnand the other way arround? |
| 12:09.47 | Internat | iwlist eth1 scan? |
| 12:09.52 | ibanez | ah |
| 12:09.54 | ibanez | lol |
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| 12:10.04 | ibanez | haha ty Internat |
| 12:10.06 | ibanez | :) |
| 12:10.08 | Internat | np |
| 12:10.12 | xand | hatter: because it would be a directory? |
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| 12:10.27 | hatter | xand, i thought it was created when logging in |
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| 12:10.45 | tralala | xingu, why didn't I think of it first! :) |
| 12:10.53 | xand | hatter: no |
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| 12:11.03 | xand | hatter: it'll be created when you ssh to elsewhere |
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| 12:12.22 | hatter | xand, ah, when i ssh out of the box, i see, thx |
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| 12:15.07 | ibanez | the iwlist eth1 scan produces results, but i can't actually get it to connect. |
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| 12:16.46 | ibanez | found it |
| 12:16.47 | ibanez | nvm |
| 12:17.21 | Serwer | maybe somebady speak in polish |
| 12:17.35 | mosty | how can i find out what is causing system load to be high? on one of my machines it's constantly at 2, but the system is 99.2% idle according to top |
| 12:17.41 | xand | !pl |
| 12:17.44 | xand | ~pl |
| 12:17.45 | apt | i guess pl is sometimes referred to as \"packet loss\" |
| 12:17.49 | xand | fail |
| 12:17.55 | xand | aptitude: pl |
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| 12:18.39 | PerfDave | mosty: vmstat - probably disk I/O, probably caused by heavy swapping :) |
| 12:19.22 | mosty | PerfDave, 0 swap is in use |
| 12:19.43 | Serwer | How ca Ifind channel about debian in polish |
| 12:20.21 | liable | Serwer: #debain.pl iirc |
| 12:20.31 | liable | or #debian-pl |
| 12:20.56 | PerfDave | !pl |
| 12:21.02 | PerfDave | Argh :) |
| 12:21.13 | Serwer | thanks when i will be bater speak in english come back |
| 12:21.28 | Serwer | what means !pl ??? |
| 12:21.53 | liable | Serwer: its a trigger for the channel bot that gives answers, but its dead at the moment |
| 12:22.16 | SmallR2002 | there's nothing worse than dead bots which you depend on >.< |
| 12:23.06 | SmallR2002 | i wrote my own irc services, now they're abandoned i find it hard to remember how to do some things manually |
| 12:23.25 | terver | is there any tool which can help me clean my packages? i think after installations and removing i have a lot of packages which i don't need. |
| 12:23.35 | mosty | terver, deborphan |
| 12:23.59 | terver | merci |
| 12:24.01 | Serwer | !pl |
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| 12:24.21 | liable | Serwer: /j #debian.pl |
| 12:24.41 | liable | or #debian.de if you speak german too |
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| 12:25.06 | Sconk | i still need a testing install cd and not a dvd |
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| 12:27.11 | webczat | hi |
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| 12:27.42 | Strazak | on #debian.pl are only 4 person |
| 12:27.44 | Strazak | ;) |
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| 12:28.22 | Strazak | maybe somebady can tell me how chainge font size in bash |
| 12:28.31 | PerfDave | Strazak: You should stay there and there will be five! :) |
| 12:28.57 | PerfDave | Strazak: Uhm, bash has no concept of font sizes. Are you running bash from a text console, xterm or something? |
| 12:29.01 | Strazak | im still there |
| 12:29.20 | Strazak | a text console |
| 12:30.05 | Strazak | is it posible - change size font in bash |
| 12:30.16 | Internat | nope |
| 12:30.19 | Internat | its fixed |
| 12:30.27 | PerfDave | Strazak: The question is how you change font size in a text console. |
| 12:30.38 | PerfDave | Strazak: You're not running a graphical interface at all? |
| 12:30.39 | Strazak | yes |
| 12:30.46 | Strazak | yes too |
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| 12:30.57 | PerfDave | Strazak: But you're not using it currently? |
| 12:31.09 | Strazak | yes :) |
| 12:31.23 | Strazak | I'm not using it currently |
| 12:31.31 | PerfDave | ok, hang on a sec |
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| 12:32.32 | PerfDave | Strazak: You need to change the screen mode of your text consoles, to get a different resolution. Can't quite remember how to do this though. |
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| 12:33.07 | Strazak | But how do this ? |
| 12:33.24 | plee | as in change console resolution? |
| 12:33.33 | Strazak | yes |
| 12:38.21 | cahoot | see if ctrl + right-click offers the option |
| 12:38.22 | cahoot | err disregard |
| 12:38.22 | plee | at the end of kernel line in /boot/grub/menu.lst type in : vga=788 to get 1024x768 |
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| 12:39.44 | Internat | bugga |
| 12:41.37 | plee | weeee netsplit |
| 12:41.37 | Internat | ride the wave!! |
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| 12:41.42 | Internat | and here comes the up |
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| 12:42.26 | PerfDave | boing |
| 12:42.26 | abchirk | hi! |
| 12:42.26 | abchirk | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:42.26 | PerfDave | Strazak: Did you catch what I wrote before the netsplit? |
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| 12:42.29 | PerfDave | MartyMcFly: aptitude install mr-fusion |
| 12:43.02 | MartyMcFly | PerfDave: ? |
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| 12:43.28 | PerfDave | MartyMcFly: I'm solving your problem before you ask a question ;) |
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| 12:43.52 | MartyMcFly | PerfDave: I use Gentoo, so i have no problems. I just want to see a netsplit in a big channel. |
| 12:44.43 | liable | missed the boat |
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| 12:44.52 | empath- | Jonas |
| 12:44.52 | epsilon | you just don't have problems yet, cause you're still compiling? |
| 12:45.30 | MartyMcFly | epsilon: yeah, it's an alternative way of problem solving ;) |
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| 12:46.23 | orveldv | I had a look at reportbug and I saw that it's able to send emails even when there is no MTA installed ; how does it do that? |
| 12:46.43 | ^Timo^ | Hi. |
| 12:46.46 | ^Timo^ | i got a problem |
| 12:46.51 | ^Timo^ | http://pastebin.ca/809973 |
| 12:46.57 | PerfDave | orveldv: It can talk directly to a remote SMTP server |
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| 12:47.14 | soroush | hi, do laptops which support Ubuntu, support Debian too? |
| 12:47.17 | ^Timo^ | it seems like when i updated to latest debian etch kernel my hdd is giving this errors |
| 12:47.27 | orveldv | PerfDave: ok, but how? I want to implement that too |
| 12:47.36 | PerfDave | ^Timo^: "Latest Debian Etch kernel"? |
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| 12:47.49 | PerfDave | ^Timo^: It looks like your hard drive is dying to me. |
| 12:47.50 | ^Timo^ | PerfDave : yes. latest kernel for debian |
| 12:47.53 | abchirk | soroush yes why not? |
| 12:47.57 | PerfDave | ^Timo^: What kernel is that? |
| 12:48.13 | ^Timo^ | 2.6.18-5-686 |
| 12:48.15 | PerfDave | soroush: Some hardware is well-supported by Debian, some by Ubuntu, some by both, some by neither. |
| 12:48.15 | soroush | abchirk, i wanna buy a laptop and I want to get sure |
| 12:48.33 | epsilon | ^Timo^: old kernel is booting? |
| 12:48.36 | abchirk | mh normal hardware works with every Linux. :) |
| 12:48.37 | PerfDave | soroush: check out http://tuxmobil.org/ |
| 12:48.53 | ^Timo^ | PerfDave : yes i thaugt that so but when i run sarge kernel it does not give this errors |
| 12:49.01 | cast | so ummm....whats taking dpkg so long to get back online? |
| 12:49.01 | ^Timo^ | they both boot |
| 12:49.11 | ^Timo^ | but when booting its giving this errors |
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| 12:49.15 | ^Timo^ | at startup |
| 12:49.21 | soroush | PerfDave, thanks. I'm thinking of http://configure.us.dell.com/dellstore/config.aspx?c=us&cs=555&l=en&oc=MLB1081&s=biz now |
| 12:49.57 | PerfDave | ^Timo^: You've done a Sarge -> Etch upgrade? |
| 12:50.30 | PerfDave | soroush: You should be able to learn about other peoples' experiences of installing Debian on any given model of laptop. |
| 12:50.30 | ^Timo^ | yes |
| 12:50.36 | ^Timo^ | PerfDave. |
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| 12:51.36 | PerfDave | ^Timo^: Did you read http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/release-notes/ch-upgrading.en.html ? |
| 12:51.48 | soroush | PerfDave, There's quiet noone about me and even retailers don't know about linux like debian |
| 12:52.03 | ^Timo^ | strange thing though sarge kernel doesn't has that kind of errors |
| 12:52.14 | soroush | PerfDave, I've just heard dell supports linux well |
| 12:52.17 | ^Timo^ | PerfDave : yes yes i have readed it |
| 12:52.20 | PerfDave | soroush: Did you look at http://tuxmobil.org/ ? |
| 12:52.25 | soroush | exept its wireless |
| 12:52.33 | soroush | looking. |
| 12:52.40 | PerfDave | soroush: I tend to go for Thinkpads for good GNU/Linux support. |
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| 12:54.04 | soroush | PerfDave, do you mean http://thinkpads.com/? |
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| 12:54.37 | PythonNinja | what was that script that installs ati drivers automatically on debian? |
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| 12:56.15 | ^Timo^ | PerfDave : so i can nothing do about this or should it not be harmfull for my computer ? |
| 12:56.20 | ^Timo^ | it boots okay. |
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| 12:57.57 | empath- | Jonas |
| 12:57.59 | PerfDave | soroush: I mean http://www.thinkwiki.org/wiki/ThinkWiki |
| 12:58.05 | liable | PythonNinja: there isnt one, fglrx is available in non-free and the ati installer has options to build debs |
| 12:58.24 | PerfDave | ^Timo^: It looks bad, but I don't understand why it would happen with one kernel and not another. I would try asking in ##linux perhaps. |
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| 13:01.09 | LV-426_ | t/f editing the gourp file == issuing user -aG ... |
| 13:01.24 | Gge | dpkg watcom |
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| 13:04.29 | Nyle | ow |
| 13:04.31 | Nyle | wow |
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| 13:04.39 | Nyle | its the dave that is perf after a long time |
| 13:04.57 | Nyle | PerfDave: long time no see, whats up? |
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| 13:08.22 | LesleyB | hiya |
| 13:08.28 | Nyle | hey |
| 13:08.46 | LesleyB | does anyone know how I find out what the md5sum of a /usr/bin file should be ? |
| 13:08.57 | cast | debsums |
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| 13:09.26 | PerfDave | h |
| 13:09.28 | PerfDave | ~ |
| 13:10.06 | LesleyB | tks cast will try that |
| 13:10.09 | cast | seems to work via checking /var/lib/dpkg/info/*.md5sums |
| 13:10.15 | niwt | weird... there's another debian room that only has 16 people in it - I think I was in the twilight zone |
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| 13:10.33 | LesleyB | ok so if I check that file it will tell me debsum of that installed |
| 13:10.45 | LesleyB | or that which dkpg/apt thinks is installed |
| 13:10.55 | LesleyB | against that which is actually installed? |
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| 13:11.27 | cast | it will check the md5 of vs. what the md5 was recorded to be in the .deb |
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| 13:11.43 | cast | doesn't work for all packages i noticed, but most i think |
| 13:11.52 | ^Timo^ | ok. |
| 13:12.01 | ^Timo^ | can anyone explain me what kernel modules are? |
| 13:12.10 | LesleyB | well I noticed a change in chattr and wanted to check |
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| 13:12.14 | cast | wikipedia can ;P |
| 13:12.41 | Nyle | kernel howto |
| 13:13.02 | Nyle | http://tldp.org/LDP/tlk/tlk.html |
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| 13:13.20 | Nyle | This book is for Linux enthusiasts who want to know how the Linux kernel works. It is not an internals manual. Rather it describes the principles and mechanisms that Linux uses; how and why the Linux kernel works the way that it does. |
| 13:13.28 | Nyle | great site |
| 13:13.50 | Nyle | hmm, I should think about translating that in my language |
| 13:14.03 | Nyle | but people in my country speak enblish better than whtie people |
| 13:14.16 | Nyle | defeats the purpose kinda |
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| 13:14.59 | Nyle | some people anyway, well the ones dealing in computers anyway |
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| 13:17.45 | LesleyB | what about preserving your native language plus giving those who don't have good English in your the chance to learn something in their own language Nyle? |
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| 13:25.35 | PerfDave | What's Nyle's native language? |
| 13:25.36 | Strazak | where are you from Nyle |
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| 13:25.36 | wols | farsi probably? |
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| 13:26.02 | LesleyB | ? |
| 13:26.02 | aleksanteri | netsplit |
| 13:26.02 | LesleyB | lloks like it |
| 13:26.02 | LesleyB | I had to try a few tmes to get in here |
| 13:26.02 | aleksanteri | me too |
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| 13:26.13 | LesleyB | urrgh |
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| 13:26.15 | LesleyB | especially in a big room |
| 13:26.15 | LesleyB | now that's done with |
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| 13:26.15 | LesleyB | the file change I was worried about seems to have occurred during a e2fsprogs update |
| 13:26.15 | LesleyB | and the report I get shows no change in anything except the inode number |
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| 13:26.17 | LesleyB | so the upgrade must have deleted the originak and re-installed it |
| 13:26.27 | LesleyB | original* |
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| 13:45.34 | ^Timo^ | Hi. which file system is recommend for file streaming ? |
| 13:45.40 | ^Timo^ | under linux* |
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| 13:47.40 | Biohazard | ^Timo^: how about wget? |
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| 13:47.57 | cahoot | file streaming? |
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| 13:48.06 | ^Timo^ | yes. |
| 13:48.08 | LesleyB | ttfn |
| 13:48.09 | xingu | ^Timo^: it's a matter of taste; I'd at least benchmark xfs vs your req's. |
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| 13:48.17 | Biohazard | oh, sry didn't read correct |
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| 13:48.36 | PerfDave | ^Timo^: Streaming from where to where? |
| 13:48.46 | ^Timo^ | from my server to the world |
| 13:48.48 | ^Timo^ | :) |
| 13:49.08 | PerfDave | ^Timo^: Over what? |
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| 13:50.37 | ^Timo^ | i am new with this though but i have a 140 gb hdd in my server only for storing data and uploading downloading from it. want to know what file system i should use for the mkfs.?? format or any other tips ? |
| 13:50.52 | PerfDave | ^Timo^: Stop. |
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| 13:51.03 | PerfDave | ^Timo^: You want to serve files from a hard disk over the Internet? |
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| 13:52.01 | ^Timo^ | yes. for friends and ppl i know and for my self, and just to store data on |
| 13:52.12 | cast | i like lvm+xfs. but it makes fuck all difference in your case me thinks |
| 13:52.20 | PerfDave | ^Timo^: What sort of internet connection do you have from your server? What sort of bandwidth? |
| 13:53.10 | ^Timo^ | 1mb up 8mb down |
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| 13:53.46 | PerfDave | ^Timo^: Right. So the point of contention is not going to be your filesystem or disk, but your network. It doesn't matter what filesystem you use. |
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| 13:54.47 | ^Timo^ | hmm hmm ok. |
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| 13:55.30 | ^Timo^ | so it does not matter what file system i should use which one should it take PerfDave ? |
| 13:55.59 | asg | ^Timo^: if you have to ask, just use ext3 |
| 13:56.07 | ^Timo^ | ok. |
| 13:56.12 | PerfDave | ^Timo^: what asg said :) |
| 13:56.29 | xingu | ... and benchmark. |
| 13:56.39 | xingu | and do me a favour, and include xfs in your test suite |
| 13:57.25 | ^Timo^ | xingu : ? |
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| 14:00.51 | xand | quack! |
| 14:01.22 | ody | argh I cant get the saa7134 driver to recognize my Pinnacle 310i even though I specify both the card and tuner parameter when I modprobe, anyong got any ideas how to make it work? :S |
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| 14:02.50 | PythonNinja | i had a really cool dual head setup under mandriva with my ati card, can't seem to get it to work under debian, sure i'm trying the same options, anyone with experience got some advice? |
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| 14:15.22 | TrueDD | Hi all |
| 14:15.41 | PythonNinja | hi |
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| 14:17.08 | xand | grr |
| 14:17.19 | xand | is there another bot that has dpkg's factoids? |
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| 14:17.48 | cahoot | aptitude |
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| 14:18.12 | grub | or apt? |
| 14:18.40 | asg | grub: apt when schizo years ago |
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| 14:19.26 | xand | cahoot: how do I call it? |
| 14:19.32 | asg | &botsnack |
| 14:19.33 | aptitude | aw, gee, asg |
| 14:19.39 | xand | &nspluginwrapper |
| 14:19.52 | xand | doesn't have dpkg's factoids :( |
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| 14:20.51 | robww | join ubuntu |
| 14:20.56 | robww | oops |
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| 14:21.11 | cast | they don't allow swearing :\ |
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| 14:21.50 | soroush | does debian let us to boot from CD and a kernel which is installed on hard drive ? |
| 14:21.50 | xand | sounds like #gentoo |
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| 14:22.13 | asg | cast: they obviously haven't worked in IT for any length of time then |
| 14:22.13 | wols | soroush: yes |
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| 14:24.17 | soroush | wols, can debian fix a system that has already hurt easily(like Opensuse: It asks which actions may be needed graphically and then does them) |
| 14:24.34 | wols | huh? |
| 14:25.03 | spy | anyone knows if there's an IA-64-specific community of Debian users? |
| 14:25.05 | asg | soroush: the install cd can also function as a rescue cd but it won't do it in any graphical manner like suse |
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| 14:26.02 | PerfDave | spy: I think the ia64 community is small enough that subdividing it by distro would be craziness :) |
| 14:26.12 | soroush | asg, how much information does maintainance at those times need and how I can find and learn them? |
| 14:26.14 | jelly-home | #debian-suckers ? |
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| 14:27.29 | asg | soroush: generally, you can boot into a shell and use the standard tools to fix things like filesystems. It really depends on what the problem is. |
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| 14:28.02 | jelly-home | spy: there's an #ia64 on OFTC, but is not debian specific |
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| 14:29.20 | spy | PerfDave: well, there's a #gentoo-ia64 community, so why not Debian? :) |
| 14:29.41 | spy | jelly-home: I have a specific problem with Debian, it's not even determined yet |
| 14:29.48 | jelly-home | spy: they have a whooping 8 users on the channel |
| 14:29.58 | PerfDave | spy: Gentoo doing something is not a good reason for Debian to do it. Normally, quite the opposite :) |
| 14:30.07 | wols | spy: http://www.debian.org/ports/ia64/ |
| 14:30.11 | jelly-home | spy: I'd try the arch mailing list. |
| 14:30.23 | spy | wols: been there, but thanks anyway |
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| 14:30.36 | spy | jelly-home: alright, I should really try the mailing list |
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| 14:31.06 | wols | spy: if you'd actually read it you'd seen the mailinglist link there |
| 14:31.21 | wols | which is specifically for dbeian-ia64 duh |
| 14:31.28 | troytroy | hi is it possible to compile a source application locally and load to server? |
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| 14:31.36 | wols | troytroy: of course |
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| 14:32.28 | troytroy | wols i want to install freeradius 1.1.6 on server but version in etch repo is 1.1.3 |
| 14:32.45 | wols | and? |
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| 14:33.56 | jelly-home | that particular upstream tarball has a decent debian/ directory, you can build the packages right away |
| 14:34.02 | troytroy | wols so what do i do after i "./configue", "make" locally |
| 14:34.09 | dvs | troytroy: of couse it's possible to compile a program locally. It just won't be managed by apt. |
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| 14:34.16 | dvs | I mean dpkg |
| 14:34.18 | wols | troytroy: nothing sinec it's the wrong way to build |
| 14:34.48 | wols | troytroy: debian uses things like dpkg-buildpackage |
| 14:34.55 | troytroy | wols so how do i accomplish what i want to do |
| 14:35.18 | jelly-home | troytroy: are you build on another etch installation? |
| 14:35.26 | jelly-home | building* |
| 14:35.59 | troytroy | jelly they all the same version. i mean the local etch box and the etch server |
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| 14:37.14 | jelly-home | troytroy: you could use something like "dpkg-buildpackage -b -uc -us -rfakeroot" to build binary debs |
| 14:37.24 | PerfDave | troytroy: You should be able to build a .deb on the local machine, and then dpkg --install it on the server. |
| 14:38.00 | jelly-home | troytroy: 1.1.7 has been released a while aqo |
| 14:39.49 | PerfDave | I'm trying to use the ltsp-server packages on Etch to netboot another machine; it's hanging after loading the kernel over TFTP. Any ideas? |
| 14:40.59 | troytroy | jeff_hann 1.1.7 seems to have some bugs |
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| 14:41.26 | wols | PerfDave: hanging how? |
| 14:42.05 | PerfDave | wols: The kernel boots as usual, then the entire boot process freezes after "ACPI: setting ELCR to 0200 (from 0800)" |
| 14:42.20 | wols | PerfDave: boot with noacpi then? |
| 14:42.33 | soroush | Can sb check http://pastebin.ca/810045 to tell me if these optional configuration for bios laptops are important to linux support? |
| 14:42.50 | troytroy | please guys so how do get freeradius_1.1.6 on etch server without building it on it |
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| 14:43.17 | wols | soroush: depends if you want to use your wlan or not |
| 14:43.30 | wols | troytroy: you've already been told by jelly-home |
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| 14:44.03 | soroush | wols, if want to do, which is better? |
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| 14:44.13 | ^Timo^ | wols : i have hearth this maybe can be fixed by a kernel mod can you confirm : http://pastebin.ca/810052 and explain me how ? |
| 14:44.29 | PerfDave | wols: I tried that, it still hangs at that point. |
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| 14:45.17 | wols | ^Timo^: buy a new disk more likely. your harddisk is failing. run a smartmontools long test on it and check how many errors you get |
| 14:46.18 | ^Timo^ | wols : how does ssmartmontools work ? |
| 14:46.33 | wols | ^Timo^: very well |
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| 14:46.55 | ^Timo^ | :) |
| 14:47.12 | asg | ^Timo^: the package comes with documentation, start there |
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| 14:49.25 | ^Timo^ | k. |
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| 14:53.38 | PerfDave | wols: The parameter is "noacpi", not "acpi=off" or anything? I'm still getting the ACPI stuff in the kernel boot messages & hang. |
| 14:54.00 | PerfDave | wols: I'm sure I didn't need "noacpi" to boot this laptop back when it had a drive anyway... |
| 14:54.09 | wols | PerfDave: could be. damn APIC |
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| 14:54.45 | wols | sometimes this changes with different kernel versions. then you might need the acpi=off/noacpi |
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| 14:55.51 | qrck | how do you turn raid off when booting, mdadm is set but not configured to contain any arrays so.....i want to disable it completeley during bootup |
| 14:55.58 | xand | well, I installed debian on my NSLU2 so now I'm bored :( |
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| 14:56.08 | abrotman | xand: try your xbox |
| 14:56.09 | qrck | noraid ? as kernel option ? |
| 14:56.21 | PerfDave | wols: Yeah, it's acpi=off, I had been trying noacpi :) |
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| 14:56.37 | abrotman | that's 'noapic' |
| 14:56.43 | xand | abrotman: i bricked the modchip |
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| 14:56.49 | abrotman | xand: yay? |
| 14:56.54 | xand | :( |
| 14:57.00 | xand | xbox is currently RIP without a new one |
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| 14:57.22 | uzbek_ | good evening all! how can create multi-part archive file in linux? |
| 14:57.32 | uzbek_ | can I* |
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| 14:57.59 | xand | you can pipe things through split, uzbek_ |
| 14:58.15 | shamrock | could someone confirm for me which installable option I require for the cartoon on the Dilbert page? Certain pages are not showing (and the www.dilbert.com cartoon is simply a good example). AFAIK I have the flash plugin installed in iceweasel but nothing is showing. |
| 14:58.19 | xand | and use cat to rejoin them |
| 14:58.33 | xand | shamrock: you what? |
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| 14:58.47 | shamrock | xand: sorry? |
| 14:58.57 | xand | shamrock: it's just a jpeg file. |
| 14:59.00 | asg | shamrock: man split |
| 14:59.05 | asg | bah |
| 14:59.06 | shamrock | xand. Not its not. |
| 14:59.08 | asg | shamrock: disregard that |
| 14:59.10 | xand | yes it is. |
| 14:59.12 | uzbek_ | xand, i have an .iso file. 4.5 Gb. will split work well with big files? |
| 14:59.15 | xand | http://www.dilbert.com/comics/dilbert/archive/images/dilbert200712087309.jpg |
| 14:59.33 | abrotman | uzbek_: yes |
| 14:59.37 | shamrock | xand: ok, maybe you might consider the page. |
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| 14:59.50 | cast | if split didn't work well with large files it would kinda suck |
| 15:00.00 | xand | shamrock: it all works fine for me, you don't need to install other than a webbrowser |
| 15:00.16 | xand | uzbek_: that's the point of split :P |
| 15:00.29 | shamrock | xand: yes, well its not you with issues. Im sure it all works for you. It has stopped working for me. Can anyone else suggest what might have changed? |
| 15:00.48 | |rat| | Hi |
| 15:00.49 | xand | shamrock: it's hard to tell what you mean, take a screenshot |
| 15:00.55 | shamrock | I have checked flash and javascript and all seems to be ok. |
| 15:01.10 | shamrock | xand. The dilbert page but just text where the cartoon should be. |
| 15:01.24 | shamrock | I will capture it. hold on. |
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| 15:03.07 | shamrock | xand: http://www.screenshots.cc/view_image/e41411646/dilbert.jpg |
| 15:03.50 | xand | erm, have you adblocked something you shouldn't have? |
| 15:04.00 | abrotman | shamrock: have you tried another browser ? |
| 15:04.00 | xand | does it work in another browser? |
| 15:05.07 | arussel | apt-file search gives me an answer with ntfsprogs but aptitude search ntfsprogs doesn't show anything. Should apt-file and aptitude get the same answers ? |
| 15:05.43 | abrotman | arussel: aptitude update && apt-file update |
| 15:06.13 | shamrock | abrotman: works fine ie6 under debian. Was working fine the other day. |
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| 15:06.27 | abrotman | ie6 is not in debian .. not a valid test |
| 15:06.44 | xand | ie6 under debian?! |
| 15:06.56 | xand | shamrock: can you view that url I pasted? |
| 15:06.56 | dvs | *shudder* |
| 15:07.02 | aleksanteri | xand, wine. :) |
| 15:07.13 | aleksanteri | though i don't know anyone who would want to use IE6 under a linux box. |
| 15:07.13 | shamrock | http://www.tatanka.com.br/ies4linux/page/Main_Page |
| 15:07.18 | abrotman | shamrock: try epiphany or iceweasel or konqueror or iceape or dillo |
| 15:07.31 | shamrock | aleksanteri: obviously to test web development. |
| 15:07.38 | aleksanteri | shamrock, yeah |
| 15:07.41 | xand | shamrock: well, can you? |
| 15:07.43 | shamrock | abrotman: I am using iceweasel |
| 15:07.52 | xand | and if it doesn't work in iceweasel, can you wgetit? |
| 15:07.53 | shamrock | xand: can I what? |
| 15:08.01 | xand | 2007-12-09 15:06:54 < xand> shamrock: can you view that url I pasted? |
| 15:08.05 | shamrock | xand: What????? |
| 15:08.16 | aleksanteri | but as i'm a web developer (though inactive since i moved to Tcl) i never tested my sites with IE6; if one complained i just told them to get a better browser ;) |
| 15:08.20 | xand | http://www.dilbert.com/comics/dilbert/archive/images/dilbert200712087309.jpg |
| 15:08.22 | shamrock | xand: of cours I can view jpegs. |
| 15:08.27 | xand | THAT ONE |
| 15:08.30 | xand | not jpegs |
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| 15:08.43 | aleksanteri | so i have no need to dirt up my shiny debian with IE6 |
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| 15:08.49 | shamrock | that is a jpeg. And yes. It is java related I think. |
| 15:08.56 | shamrock | there is more to the image than the jpeg part. |
| 15:09.03 | xand | that page doesn't use java |
| 15:09.12 | shamrock | xand. jscript. |
| 15:09.18 | xand | completely different |
| 15:09.33 | abrotman | shamrock: does another debian browser work?> |
| 15:09.34 | xand | try a new iceweasel profile |
| 15:10.46 | shamrock | xand : how do I do that? |
| 15:10.56 | ^Timo^ | wols : where can i read the output off smartctl --test=long /dev/hda |
| 15:10.57 | ^Timo^ | ? |
| 15:11.01 | feitingen | what chinese fonts are reccomended for a chinese setup? |
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| 15:11.44 | shamrock | abrotman: epiphany displays it fine. |
| 15:11.54 | troytroy | please guys so how do get freeradius_1.1.6 on etch server without building it on it |
| 15:12.14 | troytroy | wols i want to install freeradius 1.1.6 on server but version in etch repo is 1.1.3 |
| 15:12.30 | troytroy | i want to install freeradius 1.1.6 on server but version in etch repo is 1.1.3 |
| 15:12.38 | troytroy | please guys so how do get freeradius_1.1.6 on etch server without building it on it |
| 15:12.56 | abrotman | heh |
| 15:13.04 | dvs | so what exactly do you want? |
| 15:13.15 | abrotman | 1.1.6 DUH! |
| 15:13.21 | PerfDave | troytroy: You've already been told this repeatedly. You build freeradius 1.1.6 on your other machine with dpkg-buildpkg, copy the .deb across, install it. |
| 15:13.24 | webczat | what's radius? |
| 15:13.33 | abrotman | webczat: google 'radius' |
| 15:13.37 | shamrock | abrotman: as does konqueror. |
| 15:13.48 | abrotman | shamrock: try a new iceweasel profile .. move your current one out of the way |
| 15:14.01 | shamrock | abrotman: how do I do that? |
| 15:14.20 | feitingen | webczat: radius is some kind of security server, can be set up to be used in wireless security stuff |
| 15:14.21 | LiMaO | lol |
| 15:14.33 | LiMaO | i guess people want us to take them by their hands |
| 15:14.35 | abrotman | shamrock: mv ~/.mozilla ~/.mozilla-old |
| 15:14.36 | xand | mv ~/.mozilla/firefox/<random letters>.Default Users somewhere |
| 15:14.38 | xand | or that |
| 15:15.03 | abrotman | xand: i paint with a wide stroke! :) |
| 15:15.11 | LiMaO | "put this foot on the floor.. now move the other foot to the front of the first one.. now repeat it..." oh man |
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| 15:15.34 | abrotman | !radius |
| 15:15.46 | abrotman | argh |
| 15:15.54 | asg | &radius |
| 15:16.08 | abrotman | oh .. we have no debhelper either ... |
| 15:16.14 | xand | failbots |
| 15:16.16 | dvs | what about bird? |
| 15:16.27 | abrotman | nah .. if aptitude doesn't .. i doubt the other two do |
| 15:16.28 | asg | ravenbird: test |
| 15:16.29 | ravenbird | Yes, asg, you're still online. |
| 15:16.31 | shamrock | abrotman: that did the trick. But I lose all my bookmarks and stuff. |
| 15:16.36 | dvs | ha! |
| 15:16.40 | xand | Need to get 17.2MB of archives. |
| 15:16.40 | xand | After unpacking 153kB disk space will be freed. |
| 15:16.42 | xand | mmkay. |
| 15:16.44 | abrotman | shamrock: so fix your profile .. you broke/turned off something |
| 15:16.53 | abrotman | xand: your packages got smaller |
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| 15:16.56 | asg | xand: that's not unusual |
| 15:17.00 | ^Timo^ | anyone knows how i can see the output from smartctl --test=long ? |
| 15:17.01 | |rat| | what is gecko? |
| 15:17.02 | abrotman | xand: water is ice cold eh? :) |
| 15:17.08 | abrotman | |rat|: rendering engine |
| 15:17.14 | xand | abrotman: what? |
| 15:17.33 | abrotman | xand: your package got smaller .. water is cold .. jeez .. it wasn't that bad |
| 15:17.34 | troytroy | what is dpkg-buildpkg |
| 15:17.38 | wols | troytroy: annoying people by asking them repeatedly what's you've already been told repeatedly won't get you any help but /ignores |
| 15:17.54 | xand | oh. I get it now c.c |
| 15:17.57 | abrotman | heh |
| 15:18.08 | troytroy | no manpages and "apt-cache search dpkg-buildpkg" gives nothin |
| 15:18.29 | |rat| | abrotman: thaks |
| 15:18.31 | asg | troytroy: install build-essential |
| 15:18.42 | troytroy | ok |
| 15:19.01 | CharminTheMoose | what file(s) do i edit to include the path /home/andrew/binaries/bin ? |
| 15:19.09 | xand | CharminTheMoose: .bashrc? |
| 15:19.12 | CharminTheMoose | when logging in either as user andrew or as root? |
| 15:19.15 | dvs | CharminTheMoose: for everyone? |
| 15:19.23 | asg | CharminTheMoose: read teh INVOCATION section of your shell's manpage |
| 15:19.38 | CharminTheMoose | dvs yeah |
| 15:19.46 | CharminTheMoose | anyone and everyone. :P |
| 15:20.13 | xand | CharminTheMoose: put it in /usr/local/bin |
| 15:20.25 | CharminTheMoose | hehe righty.. |
| 15:20.30 | troytroy | asg i dont want to build on the server else i could as well installed |build-essential libmysqlclient15-dev libperl-dev| |
| 15:20.54 | asg | troytroy: then build it on another workstation if it's that important to you |
| 15:21.09 | asg | &info freeradius sid |
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| 15:21.19 | troytroy | asg exactly my question here. how do i do that |
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| 15:21.45 | aptitude | freeradius: (a high-performance and highly configurable RADIUS server), section net, is optional. Version: 1.1.7-1+b1 (sid), Packaged size: 774 kB, Installed size: 2968 kB |
| 15:22.30 | arussel | the server in my source.list is down at the moment, is there a utility to find/add one? |
| 15:22.39 | asg | troytroy: someone earlier told you the dpkg-buildpackage command required. Perform that on the workstation that has the required build components installed |
| 15:22.41 | dvs | !mirrors |
| 15:22.46 | dvs | doh! |
| 15:22.50 | dvs | &mirrors |
| 15:22.58 | aleksanteri | !mirror |
| 15:23.04 | aleksanteri | hmm. |
| 15:23.10 | dvs | ravenbird: mirrors |
| 15:23.10 | ravenbird | http://www.debian.org/mirror/list or ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/README.mirrors.txt | ask me about <apt-setup> or <apt-spy> | to make a mirror, see http://www.debian.org/mirrors/ |
| 15:23.15 | dvs | a ha! |
| 15:23.15 | aleksanteri | \o/ |
| 15:23.45 | arussel | dvs, aleksanteri: thanks for the effort :-) |
| 15:23.49 | dvs | np |
| 15:23.55 | aleksanteri | np |
| 15:24.00 | aleksanteri | heh |
| 15:24.05 | troytroy | asg thanks very much. problem with some folks they know but they dont know how to teach |
| 15:24.09 | sobersabre | hi guys. I am having a hell with NFS. at certain I/O load the client gets stuck |
| 15:24.16 | troytroy | asg thanks for making it clear |
| 15:24.20 | wols | troytroy: and lots of folks are unable to read |
| 15:24.33 | wols | troytroy: EVERYTHING has been told you before. several times |
| 15:24.43 | troytroy | wols dont try troytroy :) |
| 15:24.45 | wols | if you are too ignorant to read, why would anyone want to help you |
| 15:24.54 | sobersabre | the client mounts via: server:/mnt/point /local/path nfs rw,udp,rsize=8192,wsize=8192,intr,timeo=16 0 1 |
| 15:25.00 | wols | "try"? |
| 15:25.03 | troytroy | wols go fuck ur mama if u pi$$ed |
| 15:25.16 | sobersabre | the server barely feels a tickle. |
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| 15:25.26 | wols | troytroy: please don't use ad hominem or you might get removed |
| 15:25.29 | sobersabre | the client's /proc/net/snmp is here: |
| 15:25.33 | troytroy | wols idiota |
| 15:25.39 | sobersabre | http://paste.debian.net/44492 |
| 15:25.52 | wols | &ops troytroy please make troytroy behave |
| 15:26.07 | sobersabre | s/troy/troll/g |
| 15:26.12 | plee | heh |
| 15:26.25 | troytroy | hmm |
| 15:26.30 | ^Timo^ | wols : can you tell me where i can check the output of smartctl --test=long ? |
| 15:26.45 | wols | ^Timo^: man smartctl |
| 15:26.49 | wols | with smartctl itself |
| 15:27.06 | ^Timo^ | ok. |
| 15:27.19 | sobersabre | anyt nfs guru in here ? |
| 15:27.26 | arussel | abrotman: thanks, aptitude couldn't find the package because mirror was broken. |
| 15:27.33 | arussel | abrotman: I found it now |
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| 15:28.28 | sobersabre | Is there a way to measure switch load without having direct switch access ? |
| 15:28.44 | wols | sobersabre: mabye the switc can deal with snmp? |
| 15:28.45 | sobersabre | some kind of super loading a switch/router, and seeing when it's dead. |
| 15:29.01 | sobersabre | wols, you mean it has an snmp agent I could connect to ? |
| 15:29.26 | wols | how should we know. maybe, maybe not |
| 15:29.41 | asg | sobersabre: what kind of switch is it? |
| 15:29.47 | sobersabre | wols, you mean the bastard netadmin has left snmp protocol access to it .. :) |
| 15:29.47 | sobersabre | ? |
| 15:29.55 | sobersabre | there are several |
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| 15:30.01 | sobersabre | one of them is enterasys |
| 15:30.05 | wols | sobersabre: how is this debian related what you switch does or doesn't? |
| 15:30.21 | sobersabre | wols, both client and server are debians. |
| 15:30.28 | asg | wols: some switches start to bog if they do udp processing in CPU instead of asic. |
| 15:30.31 | sobersabre | and it MAY be their misconfiguration. |
| 15:30.44 | sobersabre | asg, how can one tell ? |
| 15:31.07 | asg | sobersabre: I've seen it on Extreme Networks gear ... not sure about entarsys though. |
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| 15:31.13 | wols | asg: that may be so, but it's not debian that is bogging |
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| 15:31.33 | sobersabre | and there's nortel accellar |
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| 15:31.39 | asg | sobersabre: if snmp is installed and not configured correctly, snmpwalk -v 1 -c public <ip> system (should tell you if you can get info from it) |
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| 15:31.44 | asg | wols: indeed |
| 15:32.13 | sobersabre | wols, as I have told you (although I doubt it) it MAY be client-server misconfiguration |
| 15:32.21 | sobersabre | and both of them are debian |
| 15:32.52 | wols | for a debian config you talk an awful lot of switches instead |
| 15:33.05 | wols | and if it is: use a crossover cable to test |
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| 15:33.11 | Ace2016 | Hi all |
| 15:33.21 | Ace2016 | you know how you can encrypt a hard drive partition right |
| 15:33.30 | asg | there are many approaches |
| 15:33.32 | Ace2016 | well how do you encrypt a cd? |
| 15:33.50 | Ace2016 | so that i can mount it like it was an encrypted partition |
| 15:34.46 | asg | Ace2016: encrypt the filesystem (directory or image depending on your encryption approach), mkisofs, cdrecord |
| 15:35.15 | Ace2016 | anything easy i can just use with k3b? |
| 15:35.26 | asg | never used it, dunno |
| 15:35.48 | Ace2016 | which is better aes or sha? |
| 15:36.07 | velho_ | hello people! |
| 15:36.09 | sobersabre | wols, how can I test ... scalability tests with crossover cable ? |
| 15:36.11 | sobersabre | :) |
| 15:36.17 | sobersabre | ola velho_ |
| 15:36.24 | velho_ | i'm curious about opensolaris |
| 15:36.33 | velho_ | ola :) |
| 15:36.36 | sobersabre | velho_, you've come to the right place! |
| 15:36.41 | sobersabre | this is opensolaris channel. |
| 15:36.48 | velho_ | lol, yeah, i hope so :D |
| 15:36.50 | sobersabre | but, we're hiding under the name of #debian |
| 15:36.59 | velho_ | debian? |
| 15:37.06 | sobersabre | yes. |
| 15:37.09 | velho_ | opensolaris is based in debian??? |
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| 15:37.13 | sobersabre | no. |
| 15:37.14 | cast | Ace2016: they're two different things. |
| 15:37.35 | wols | sobersabre: it's fo eleiminating variables. if the problem still exists when the crossover cable is ther, it's the debian config, if not it's the switch |
| 15:37.36 | sobersabre | theres NO CONNECTION between the two, except the fact that the 2 can run some similar programs. |
| 15:37.41 | velho_ | but opensolaris is an opensource operative system, right? |
| 15:37.59 | sobersabre | wols, you can never test scalability test with crossover. don't you think ? |
| 15:37.59 | Ace2016 | open solaris is based on java right? |
| 15:38.02 | wols | velho_: parts of it nowadays is I think, but better ask Sun, not us |
| 15:38.03 | abrotman | wtf |
| 15:38.05 | Ace2016 | and made by sun |
| 15:38.14 | sobersabre | opensolaris is based on basic... isn't it ? |
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| 15:38.17 | abrotman | Ace2016: Solaris is a unix |
| 15:38.25 | wols | sobersabre: I certainly can test the scalability of my server that way |
| 15:38.35 | xand | what a load of bollocks |
| 15:38.44 | sobersabre | I thought solaris is the device to get suntanned. |
| 15:38.44 | Ace2016 | oh, so its like unix with java being its default executable format? |
| 15:38.52 | xand | Ace2016: no, |
| 15:38.59 | Ace2016 | oh |
| 15:39.03 | sobersabre | xand, is it a program ? |
| 15:39.12 | xand | go read wikipedia. |
| 15:39.19 | velho_ | so...opensolaris can compile other sourcecode programs based in unix? |
| 15:39.26 | sobersabre | wols, how can you emulate network load of 100 clients over 100 Mb channel ? |
| 15:39.28 | xand | or join #solaris |
| 15:39.29 | Ace2016 | yea same i solaris is a tanning lotion and a film i think |
| 15:39.29 | xand | jeez |
| 15:39.38 | xand | the most awful film ever made |
| 15:39.48 | sobersabre | actually velho_ you should join #opensolaris |
| 15:39.55 | cast | #opensolaris, but uh...dunno how much they'll like such simple questions |
| 15:40.00 | sobersabre | xand, you mean by Tarkovsky ? |
| 15:40.05 | Ace2016 | i'm going to go in there and ask if its the solaris fan club |
| 15:40.10 | xand | with george clooney |
| 15:40.14 | sobersabre | oh, not |
| 15:40.18 | wols | sobersabre: what has the switch to do with network load? or do you connect 100 clients to that switch to measure the 100 clients load? |
| 15:40.20 | sobersabre | that's the "pop" version |
| 15:40.39 | velho_ | sobersabre: i'm sorry to you all, i thought i was talking in #opensolaris :S |
| 15:40.42 | sobersabre | wols, I cannot connect 100 client load without infrastructure. |
| 15:41.02 | wols | sobersabre: there a programs that simulat 100 clients on one host |
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| 15:42.43 | sobersabre | wols, is there no problem to simulate so many client mounts on 1 host ? |
| 15:43.28 | sobersabre | do you not see any ... problem with this ? |
| 15:44.32 | wols | sobersabre: if the host is fast enough: no: and since you have a server that needs to stem the same load basically you know there should be a PC capable of it |
| 15:44.42 | wols | if you have to test clusters of servers it is trickier of course |
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| 15:45.06 | sobersabre | wols, currently it's not parallel nfs. |
| 15:45.12 | sobersabre | but still, I don't understand you. |
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| 15:45.19 | sobersabre | nfs is not only client + server |
| 15:45.31 | sobersabre | and both client and server are tuned up to the infrastructure. |
| 15:45.38 | sobersabre | Am I .. mistaken ? |
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| 15:46.05 | Ace2016 | is it possible to use theta and beta as keys in a password for an encrypted volume? |
| 15:46.15 | richo | anyone using ati cards on debian? |
| 15:46.32 | Ace2016 | is there any way i can look at the equivilant of alt codes for linux, the basic terminal |
| 15:46.34 | sobersabre | richo, somebody uses them, yes. |
| 15:46.44 | Ace2016 | i think its amd cards now |
| 15:46.55 | sobersabre | and somebody uses them too. |
| 15:47.02 | wols | Ace2016: no |
| 15:47.04 | Ace2016 | do you still call something an ati card after it gets brought out by amd? |
| 15:47.06 | wols | they are still ati cards |
| 15:47.13 | wols | richo: ask your real question |
| 15:47.20 | wols | Ace2016: amd does |
| 15:47.21 | Ace2016 | so you can't call them amd cards? |
| 15:47.32 | wols | the brandname is still ati |
| 15:47.33 | sobersabre | you can call them asdasksu |
| 15:47.35 | sobersabre | :) |
| 15:47.44 | Ace2016 | yes well i would think amd would like to distance them from the old ati cards as much as possible |
| 15:47.46 | wols | and with the way amd goes right now they might be separate one day again, who knows |
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| 15:49.14 | sobersabre | wols, so how do you simulate network's highest wsize/rsize locally ? |
| 15:49.27 | Ace2016 | xand came to #solaris |
| 15:49.30 | sobersabre | or timeout. |
| 15:49.33 | xand | no I didn't |
| 15:49.37 | xand | I'm always in there |
| 15:49.43 | Ace2016 | what are you doing in both places? |
| 15:49.48 | xand | I use both OSes? |
| 15:49.56 | sobersabre | Ace2016, you remind me of USSSR, 1937 |
| 15:49.58 | xand | I didn't know that was forbidden |
| 15:50.03 | sobersabre | :) |
| 15:50.08 | sobersabre | repressions. |
| 15:50.12 | Ace2016 | did they get followed? |
| 15:50.19 | sobersabre | talking about forbidden subject... |
| 15:50.24 | sobersabre | about "that" subj. |
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| 15:50.27 | sobersabre | :) |
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| 15:50.37 | richo | wols: i really just need to ask a person who's using ati cards a whole bunch of questions |
| 15:50.59 | wols | richo: ask the questions finally and don't ask to ask |
| 15:51.10 | wols | if someone in here knows, he/she will answer |
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| 15:51.48 | karmatronic | hi |
| 15:51.51 | Ace2016 | hi |
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| 15:52.49 | richo | ok, i'm having a whole bunch of trouble setting up my dual head. it |
| 15:53.22 | xand | ... |
| 15:53.30 | richo | 's behaving oddly, windows refusing to move between displays, unless i set up the display as one giant screen. i had this working fine under mandriva, but for whatever reason it doesn't work under debian |
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| 15:53.54 | richo | a look at a working xorg.conf that behaves the way i'm looking for would be nice, or advice about alternate ways to chieve my goalds |
| 15:54.10 | karmatronic | richo: using nvidia ? |
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| 15:56.33 | ^Timo^ | wols : can't find it i think should there be a log where the results are in ? it runs on background now. |
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| 15:57.02 | wols | yes, it has to finish the long test first |
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| 15:57.13 | wols | takes about an hour depending on disksize |
| 15:57.21 | wols | then smartctl -a is the option |
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| 15:57.43 | SRabbelier | can anyone point me to a good tutorial on getting the tools needed to compile java programs? "javac" etc |
| 15:58.00 | ^Timo^ | ok :) i have seen that command in the man smartctl |
| 15:58.02 | ^Timo^ | thanks :) |
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| 15:58.40 | Ace2016 | any way to dd my root partition off to another partition and dd it back into an encrypted area without screwing it up and it booting fine, assuming* that the copy process and creation of the encryption volume goes well |
| 16:00.06 | plee | Ace2016, cp can do it |
| 16:00.20 | wols | SRabbelier: you need the java sdk from non-free |
| 16:00.22 | Ace2016 | thats all i need? |
| 16:00.25 | Ace2016 | just cp? |
| 16:00.33 | plee | read up on moving with file permissions :) |
| 16:00.44 | wols | plee: cp what exactly? /dev/sdX? |
| 16:01.13 | Ace2016 | thats why i wanted to just stick with dd, seemed easier if it made a direct clone of the partition |
| 16:01.47 | wols | plee: what part of "encrypted" didn't you read? |
| 16:01.57 | plee | like this : cp -R /usr/* /mnt/newusr/ (there is one more flag needed.. for permissions. But I don't remember which one) |
| 16:02.07 | plee | wols, I read it good and clear |
| 16:02.21 | sobersabre | -pr |
| 16:02.22 | Ace2016 | i wish i could just encrypt it in place |
| 16:02.23 | SRabbelier | wols: what package is it in? |
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| 16:02.51 | wols | SRabbelier: put nonfree in your sources.list and apch-cache search is. it's the sun jdk. don't remembre the name offhand |
| 16:02.53 | sobersabre | SRabbelier, non-free section. |
| 16:02.56 | plee | wols, but as he has info already on disk, then he needs to get that info out first. :) |
| 16:03.40 | Shirowtaku | hello! i am looking for a fast server to download the debian live-cd. http://live.debian.net/cdimage/release/4.0_r0-rc1/i386/iso-cd/ only gives me about 30 kb per second |
| 16:03.54 | Ace2016 | i'm going to do it in knoppix so that everything is accessible |
| 16:04.01 | SRabbelier | wols: it only comes up with free-java-sdk |
| 16:04.15 | Ace2016 | Shirowtaku: how fast is your connection? |
| 16:04.21 | wols | SRabbelier: no it does not. I sas non-free, not main |
| 16:04.33 | wols | *I said |
| 16:04.34 | plee | Ace2016, just make sure the dump partition is big enough :) |
| 16:04.35 | SRabbelier | wols: deb http://ftp.nl.debian.org/debian/ lenny main contrib non-free |
| 16:04.48 | SRabbelier | wols: that's in my sources.list |
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| 16:05.09 | wols | SRabbelier: sun-java6-jre - Sun Java(TM) Runtime Environment (JRE) 6 (architecture independent files) |
| 16:05.17 | arussel | SRabbelier: "aptitude search sun" should bives you a lot of stuff |
| 16:05.20 | wols | &info sun-java6-jdk lenny |
| 16:05.38 | Ace2016 | well linux only takes about 40gb without /home and has a vm on there too |
| 16:05.41 | elmo40 | he wants the jdk or only the jre? |
| 16:05.42 | wols | SRabbelier: not in lenny right now it seems |
| 16:05.46 | a-atwood | can anyone recommend a rescue CD or app for re-sizing an ntfs partition. I looked at the 4.0r1 dvd and part-ed on it doesn't do ntfs |
| 16:05.55 | SRabbelier | wols mhhhh, I found it searching for sun-java6-jre |
| 16:05.59 | Ace2016 | knoppix? |
| 16:06.07 | wols | &info sun-java6-jdk sid |
| 16:06.11 | cahoot | gparted livecd |
| 16:06.18 | SRabbelier | err.. lie... |
| 16:06.20 | tmv | gparted does ntfs resizing ? |
| 16:06.21 | SRabbelier | that's the jre.. |
| 16:06.28 | wols | SRabbelier: you will need several packages. jearch for sun-java |
| 16:06.51 | a-atwood | thnks. will check them out. |
| 16:07.08 | SRabbelier | wols: I guess the JDK for 6.0 isn't out yet then? or just not in lenny yet? |
| 16:07.10 | epsilon | SRabbelier: simply anser: go to java.sun.com and download Java SE / JDK 6 Update 3 |
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| 16:07.28 | arussel | SRabbelier: it is in testing |
| 16:07.31 | epsilon | SRabbelier: if you want to *work*, forget any deban package |
| 16:07.32 | SRabbelier | epsilon: I did, but it just extracts to a directory, don't know how to hook up all that :( |
| 16:07.56 | epsilon | SRabbelier: there's a /bin directory after unpacking |
| 16:08.21 | wols | SRabbelier: it's in sid. you could get it from there. should work since it'S non-free anyways |
| 16:08.25 | elmo40 | sun-java6-jdk - Sun Java(TM) Development Kit (JDK) 6 |
| 16:08.27 | epsilon | look in there and add jdk/bin and Jre/bin in your $PATH |
| 16:08.29 | SRabbelier | epsilon: yes, which is in /root now... where do I put it? I mean... just copying that to /usr/bin wouldn't work I think? |
| 16:08.38 | elmo40 | what is lenny, unstable or testing? |
| 16:08.52 | wols | elmo40: testing |
| 16:08.53 | arussel | epsilon: what do you have against java-sun .deb ? |
| 16:08.54 | elmo40 | ok |
| 16:08.58 | wols | elmo40: unstable is always called sid |
| 16:09.03 | epsilon | SRabbelier: I installed JRE in /opt/jre, then added /opt/jre/bin in $PATH, works fine |
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| 16:09.08 | elmo40 | i use unstable... but i dont see why java6 is not in the repo |
| 16:09.21 | epsilon | arussel: tried. wasted time. purged. |
| 16:09.41 | SRabbelier | epsilon: how do I specify install dir to the installer? or do I just copy installer to /opt/jre? xD |
| 16:09.53 | elmo40 | SRabbelier: it will put it there |
| 16:10.04 | arussel | epsilon: I tried it and works with them without problem. What pb did you have exactly ? |
| 16:10.15 | troytroy | high could anybody throw light on this xen kernel and its use for virtualization |
| 16:10.22 | epsilon | SRabbelier: it just creates the subdir where the binary is stored/executed |
| 16:10.29 | SRabbelier | elmo40: it installed it to /root when I ran the installer from /root |
| 16:10.34 | CharminTheMoose | anyone know if there exists a debian package of QT4.3 or higher? |
| 16:10.42 | SRabbelier | SRabbelier: ok, so I could even copy the entire direcotry to /opt/jre? |
| 16:10.43 | troytroy | is it possible to use it to run two instance of etch on the same box |
| 16:10.43 | epsilon | SRabbelier: after extracting, you can still move the directory to anywhere you want, nothing will be broken |
| 16:10.50 | SRabbelier | nice |
| 16:10.59 | elmo40 | SRabbelier: what? really? weird... |
| 16:11.15 | troytroy | high could anybody throw light on this xen kernel and its use for virtualization |
| 16:11.17 | troytroy | is it possible to use it to run two instance of etch on the same box |
| 16:11.17 | SRabbelier | elmo40: yeah, same thing Ithought |
| 16:11.43 | troytroy | one as a proxy cache and other as webserver and mail |
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| 16:12.18 | wols | troytroy: yes |
| 16:12.30 | epsilon | SRabbelier: /opt is just a path on my box, I've choosen it, cause java's an *opt*ional software. But you can also store to /usr/local/java if you want |
| 16:12.33 | troytroy | wols thanks :) |
| 16:12.45 | SRabbelier | epsilon: makes sense, thanks :) |
| 16:13.05 | SRabbelier | epsilon: where did you add /opt/jre/bin to your $Path, in bashrc or such? |
| 16:13.13 | epsilon | .bashrc |
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| 16:13.20 | SRabbelier | sweet, thanks! |
| 16:13.25 | vinvin | hi |
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| 16:13.48 | troytroy | wols so basically how do i implement it so that both instances on the servers start automatically when i power box on |
| 16:14.04 | vinvin | I'm trying to modify the debian usb installer's initrd, but I can't find the fs type of it. ext2 doesn't want to mount it. How can I do ? |
| 16:14.10 | wols | epsilon: don't breakl people's systems by telling them to install java from sun |
| 16:14.32 | wols | epsilon: there are a lot of packages depending on java and this way they all break |
| 16:14.38 | epsilon | wols: it doesn't break |
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| 16:14.42 | wols | plus people don't get updates for no reason |
| 16:15.02 | a-atwood | hmm, looking at the web site, part-ed specifically states that it does no resize ntfs. I had an HP laptop 3 years ago that I KNOW i resized a partition on. And it was running XP with ntfs |
| 16:15.04 | wols | and last but not least if you really insist on sun packages, use make-kpkg |
| 16:15.09 | epsilon | uff, if some use external binary, he's responcible for updates himself |
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| 16:15.22 | wols | a-atwood: ntfsreize does tho |
| 16:15.26 | ross` | can someone tell me where the file is that controls weather not to show an ssh issue page. and where that file is |
| 16:15.26 | azeem | epsilon: no, you're responsible |
| 16:15.27 | wols | and gparted should too |
| 16:15.50 | wols | erm, make-jpkg rather |
| 16:15.52 | epsilon | wols: I use the samn sun binary since years, never broke something or never had conflicts with any debian package |
| 16:15.58 | a-atwood | wols: thanks. ntfsresize sounds familiar |
| 16:16.30 | wols | epsilon: debian packages need java isntalled. e.g. azureus, eclipse and such. with your way of installing java is not installed for dpkg and it will refuse to use debian java programs |
| 16:16.32 | CharminTheMoose | anyone know if there exists a debian package of QT4.3 or higher? |
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| 16:16.49 | wols | CharminTheMoose: you know the search factoid, don't you? |
| 16:17.12 | wols | azeem: please rustle your fellow admins and give me my dpkg bacl or us peasants need to stage a revolt |
| 16:17.14 | CharminTheMoose | wols, isn't it simple sid backport ? |
| 16:17.16 | epsilon | wols: did you *ever* try debian packages of java & azureus? It's *pure* pain in the ass, if you're ever be able to download anything |
| 16:17.21 | CharminTheMoose | i tried and nothing came up |
| 16:18.02 | wols | epsilon: then file a bug, provide a patch. breaking people's systems is NOT the way to behave in #debian |
| 16:18.19 | epsilon | I tried it last week and after 10min I purged all related packages and installed sun's binary |
| 16:18.21 | elmo40 | epsilon: using apt to get java6-jdk worked fine for me. |
| 16:18.25 | azeem | &search |
| 16:18.30 | azeem | aptitude: hi |
| 16:18.31 | aptitude | hi |
| 16:18.34 | azeem | aptitude: search |
| 16:18.55 | azeem | lost its database again, it seems |
| 16:19.34 | azeem | epsilon: that's fine for you if you want to live with that, all we ask you is to not advocate this to others in here |
| 16:19.51 | epsilon | wols: OK, so I don't file a bug for a huge parser like java and don't send any patch, I'm not allowed to tell people how to get *working* version of JRE? |
| 16:20.23 | wols | epsilon: you arenot to allowed to tell people to install vendor versions until you know THEY need the vendor version |
| 16:20.47 | wols | and even then your answer was bad since there is make-jpkg which installs the sun jdk properly in a debian way so dpkg will know about it and act accordingly |
| 16:21.00 | epsilon | that guy *already had* the vendor version on his box, I just told how to install properly |
| 16:21.06 | azeem | wtf |
| 16:21.47 | wols | SRabbelier: stop messaging people |
| 16:26.06 | Ace2016 | hey i have an idea, you know how the uk government lost some data cds, lets spread some disks about and encrypt them, make people try to decrypt them, but they won't be able to, its just stuff from /dev/urandom :D |
| 16:26.36 | pngwn | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:26.59 | Ace2016 | maybe a text file saying "Encrypted by Axen9" |
| 16:27.11 | Ace2016 | pngwn: hellO? |
| 16:27.24 | azeem | Ace2016: how is that related to Debian? |
| 16:27.50 | Ace2016 | i'm using debian to encrypt some disks atm |
| 16:28.08 | azeem | so if you use Debian to wank off, will you tell us as well? |
| 16:28.33 | vinvin | nobody knows how to read the initrd from hd-media/boot.img . |
| 16:28.35 | vinvin | ? |
| 16:28.44 | Ace2016 | well thats not nearly as interesting as my feindish plan is it now |
| 16:28.44 | SRabbelier | thanks guys, it's working now :) |
| 16:28.49 | SRabbelier | installed the package sun-java6-jdk |
| 16:29.02 | SRabbelier | not sure where that one came from / why I didn't see it a moment before 0.o |
| 16:29.08 | azeem | vinvin: it's likely compressed |
| 16:29.25 | vinvin | azeem: yes but when ungzipped I'm not able to mount it :/ |
| 16:29.26 | azeem | vinvin: but I don't know hot to mount a initrd either off-hand, did you try google? |
| 16:29.50 | vinvin | yes, I found http://people.debian.org/~osamu/hackdi/ch-d-i.html but it tells this is ext2 |
| 16:30.00 | vinvin | so I guess this must not be uptodate |
| 16:30.06 | wols | vinvin: what does file say when you uncompressed it? |
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| 16:30.37 | vinvin | initrd: ASCII cpio archive (SVR4 with no CRC) |
| 16:30.44 | wols | so un-cpio it |
| 16:30.47 | wols | then mount it |
| 16:31.02 | vinvin | ok wols, I'm not familiar with cpio :/ thanks |
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| 16:31.33 | waltz | what is a good PPPoE client? |
| 16:31.43 | waltz | preferrably that runs in kernel space |
| 16:31.49 | wols | there are only to. kernel pppoe and rp-pppoe |
| 16:31.59 | wols | *two |
| 16:32.02 | waltz | :\ |
| 16:32.23 | wols | and the pppd part is always userspace |
| 16:32.44 | moope1 | wheres dpkg? |
| 16:32.57 | waltz | is it? |
| 16:33.11 | wols | rented a room together with dondelecaro |
| 16:33.16 | waltz | wols: also, what is the package name of the kernel pppoe? |
| 16:33.25 | Ace2016 | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:33.28 | wols | waltz: linux-image* |
| 16:33.37 | wols | as I said, it's in the kernel |
| 16:33.47 | Ace2016 | well that didn't do anything |
| 16:33.58 | waltz | o ok |
| 16:33.59 | Ace2016 | i can still see what he said |
| 16:34.23 | troytroy | wols so basically how do i implement it so that both instances on the servers start automatically when i power box on |
| 16:34.24 | ejungle | join #gnome |
| 16:34.27 | wols | Ace2016: people like you remind me what weekday today is |
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| 16:34.42 | blahblahx | is there an irc for debian live? |
| 16:35.10 | PerfDave | blahblahx: What do you mean? |
| 16:35.12 | wols | 16:25 < troytroy> wols go fuck ur mama if u pi$$ed |
| 16:35.31 | blahblahx | PerfDave: is there an irc channel for the debian live project? |
| 16:35.39 | wols | blahblahx: irc client? try irssi or x-chat |
| 16:35.45 | wols | &live |
| 16:35.58 | blahblahx | wols: no not a client, a channel |
| 16:36.04 | PerfDave | blahblahx: /msg chanserv list *debian*live* |
| 16:36.10 | Ace2016 | wols: its sunday, why don't you remember? |
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| 16:36.25 | wols | blahblahx: also check oftc |
| 16:37.09 | blahblahx | well actually i have a debian question |
| 16:37.23 | elmo40 | wols: it is tuesday :P |
| 16:37.45 | wols | elmo40: it can only be sunday. troytroy and Ace2016 prove it |
| 16:37.52 | elmo40 | ;) |
| 16:37.56 | blahblahx | sunday or mondauy |
| 16:37.59 | blahblahx | *monday |
| 16:38.08 | PerfDave | It had better not be Tuesday, otherwise I've missd two days of work! |
| 16:38.16 | blahblahx | i mean sunday or saturday or something like that |
| 16:38.19 | Ace2016 | who is troytroy? just like me? more of me would be interesting |
| 16:38.24 | azeem | blahblahx: is that your debian question? |
| 16:38.39 | azeem | Ace2016: do you have a debian question? |
| 16:38.48 | blahblahx | azeem: no :). i was wondering if i could use ubiquity with debian, and if so, how |
| 16:38.50 | Ace2016 | not at the moment, just ideas |
| 16:38.56 | blahblahx | azeem: because i tried, but i got errors |
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| 16:39.15 | azeem | Ace2016: then please either stay quiet, or leave |
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| 16:39.21 | azeem | blahblahx: I don't think so |
| 16:39.49 | blahblahx | azeem: hmmmm well it launched but crashed at the partitioner, and it says its made for ubuntu and debian |
| 16:40.01 | Ace2016 | i pick quiet for a little bit, then maybe leave later depending on how i feel |
| 16:40.02 | azeem | blahblahx: how did you install it? |
| 16:40.23 | Ace2016 | i also plan to say hi all and hi wols every time i join |
| 16:40.25 | blahblahx | uhh using ubuntu repos :) on a livecd though, so i wouldnt mess anything up |
| 16:40.35 | Ace2016 | or hi wols its sunday, that'd be nice |
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| 16:41.06 | azeem | Ace2016: you've been silenced for 10 minutes. Please try to be more signal and less noise in the future. Thanks! |
| 16:41.47 | blahblahx | azeem: uhh using ubuntu repos :) on a livecd though, so i wouldnt mess anything up |
| 16:41.52 | azeem | I saw that |
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| 16:44.34 | blahblahx | azeem: so.... |
| 16:44.43 | azeem | so |
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| 16:44.47 | azeem | 17:35 < azeem> blahblahx: I don't think so |
| 16:45.19 | blahblahx | right but check this out azeem https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Ubiquity top of the page |
| 16:46.39 | azeem | blahblahx: there's no Debian package, so Debian does not support it. I suggest you contact the authors for Debian support |
| 16:46.48 | azeem | I'm not sure they will or can help you though |
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| 16:46.56 | blahblahx | azeem: right im not saying support, im saying will it work :) |
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| 16:47.15 | blahblahx | azeem: oh i get it |
| 16:47.18 | blahblahx | azeem: never mind |
| 16:47.33 | blahblahx | azeem: but can debian-installer (the gui one) be run from a livecD? |
| 16:47.46 | azeem | I don't think so either |
| 16:48.01 | azeem | blahblahx: but maybe you should not ask me, because I almost never use the livecd |
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| 16:49.59 | valdyn | blahblahx: what's the point? |
| 16:50.18 | blahblahx | valdyn: what do you mean? |
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| 16:52.29 | ejungle | I'm newbie debian lenny |
| 16:52.53 | ejungle | is there anybody who knows if alacarte is bugged? |
| 16:53.12 | wols | elmo40: BTS does |
| 16:53.13 | PerfDave | ejungle: bugs.debian.org probably knows. |
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| 16:53.39 | blahblahx | ejungle: is it acting so? |
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| 16:57.03 | jelly-home | it's an interesting web developer that doesn't care what the site looks like in a major browser |
| 16:58.45 | wols | jelly-home: tons of people who doN't care about IE |
| 16:59.03 | wols | some are rven downright hostile to it crashing the browser (not too hard on IE I thik) |
| 16:59.47 | sn0 | browsershots.org is a must have for testing websites in other browsers :) no need to install them! |
| 17:00.04 | jelly-home | wols: it doesn't sound like a smart business practice |
| 17:00.08 | tralala | I'm much more worried about the "webmasters" who only care how their piece works on IE + flash |
| 17:00.35 | wols | tralala: rarely nowadays. ffox is big here in europe |
| 17:00.54 | jelly-home | wols: quite often in closed web apps, though |
| 17:00.57 | wols | on IT oriented sites ffox is even the major browser with >50% |
| 17:00.59 | tralala | wols, not rare enough, even here in europe |
| 17:01.08 | wols | jelly-home: true. intranet is a wasteland |
| 17:01.09 | PerfDave | wols: Well, not big, but big enough not to be ignored frequently. |
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| 17:01.59 | ShiftOnYou | how can i solve that: The remote host actively refused the attempt to connect to it. ? i use vsftp |
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| 17:02.31 | wols | ShiftOnYou: contact the remote admin |
| 17:02.51 | ShiftOnYou | hmm... i should be the remote admin ^^ |
| 17:03.21 | tralala | ShiftOnYou, did you lock yourself out of the box? |
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| 17:03.45 | ShiftOnYou | i set a vsftp server up ... but i cant connect :( |
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| 17:03.57 | tralala | fix the firewall |
| 17:04.15 | tralala | make the server listen on the external interface |
| 17:04.20 | wols | ShiftOnYou: on the remote server as root: "netstat -anp |grep 21" |
| 17:04.27 | xerophyte | i am trying to install debian etch on centos base xen dom0, it has tool called virt-install it asking for What is the install location ? to install centos its take the image from there and boot and gives nice console to select the option .. does anybody know what will the install location should i give to install debian etch |
| 17:04.46 | ShiftOnYou | but the server is in my lan ... so it should work |
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| 17:05.09 | tralala | as long as it's listening on the lan interface |
| 17:05.21 | tralala | and the firewall is not blocking it |
| 17:05.29 | ShiftOnYou | nopr |
| 17:05.31 | ShiftOnYou | nope |
| 17:05.33 | tralala | or some hosts mechanism |
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| 17:06.04 | tralala | ShiftOnYou, would you answer wols' question? |
| 17:06.04 | ShiftOnYou | i used the tut on this page: -> http://www.tim-bormann.de/index.php?section=145 |
| 17:06.07 | ShiftOnYou | sry its german |
| 17:06.19 | elmo40 | wols: was that for me? BT does? |
| 17:06.43 | wols | elmo40: no for the other E-guy |
| 17:07.02 | ShiftOnYou | i dont use port 21 |
| 17:07.17 | tralala | adjust accordingly |
| 17:07.30 | elmo40 | ;) |
| 17:07.54 | ShiftOnYou | ? |
| 17:08.44 | elmo40 | why not? |
| 17:09.34 | wols | ShiftOnYou: then ftp can't work. have a nice day |
| 17:09.51 | ShiftOnYou | why cant ftp work on a other port then 21?!? |
| 17:09.52 | tralala | next question, please? ;) |
| 17:09.56 | elmo40 | wols: well, it _can_ |
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| 17:10.20 | wols | elmo40: not for him. he'd mentioned if he ran the client on another port |
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| 17:10.24 | ShiftOnYou | why can i set: listen_port in config file? |
| 17:10.39 | wols | ShiftOnYou: you can of course. on which port do you have it? |
| 17:10.43 | elmo40 | wols: sundays. ;) |
| 17:10.49 | ShiftOnYou | 2222 |
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| 17:11.00 | wols | ShiftOnYou: netstat -anp |grep 2222 then |
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| 17:11.06 | ShiftOnYou | ok |
| 17:11.06 | richo | is vlc in repos? |
| 17:11.10 | richo | if yes, what's it called? |
| 17:11.13 | abrotman | vlc |
| 17:11.20 | abrotman | &why is vlc not in testing |
| 17:11.20 | elmo40 | aptitude: vlc |
| 17:11.21 | aptitude | abrotman: what are you talking about? |
| 17:11.27 | abrotman | aptitude: just do it! |
| 17:11.33 | elmo40 | apt vlc |
| 17:11.34 | apt | hmm... vlc is the VideoLAN Client. It's a MPEG2 client/server program for broadcasting. It can also be used standalone as an normal MPEG2/DVD player. See http://www.videolan.org, or apt-gettable. |
| 17:11.39 | abrotman | useless |
| 17:11.46 | ShiftOnYou | no output |
| 17:11.53 | abrotman | richo: if you're talking about in lenny/testing .. it hasn't been available for awhile |
| 17:11.54 | wols | aptittude: you suck |
| 17:12.00 | richo | abrotman: ahh, i see |
| 17:12.15 | tralala | wols, not as badly as your typing ;) |
| 17:12.23 | abrotman | uh ... |
| 17:12.31 | ShiftOnYou | wols: do you speak german? |
| 17:12.41 | wols | being german, I hope so |
| 17:12.47 | ShiftOnYou | :D |
| 17:12.49 | abrotman | stew: aptitude seems to be having issues |
| 17:12.49 | wols | and no, this channel you don't speak german |
| 17:12.56 | ShiftOnYou | i know |
| 17:13.09 | ShiftOnYou | but youre not in the german channel :( |
| 17:13.15 | wols | tralala: I'm a foruhner, I'm allowed :P |
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| 17:14.11 | ShiftOnYou | wols: can u join the german channel? |
| 17:15.00 | abrotman | amazingly .. his nick includes a 'you' .. but he can't type it out |
| 17:15.05 | Ronin | heh |
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| 17:15.31 | abrotman | ketchup! |
| 17:15.39 | catsup | howdy |
| 17:15.48 | xand | abrotman: haha |
| 17:16.11 | tralala | cats soup |
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| 17:17.18 | Jocke | I screwed up. I typed sudo apt-get -f install and now many programs are in english instead of swedish. can i fix it in any way? |
| 17:18.21 | tralala | Jocke, dpkg-reconfigure locales |
| 17:19.27 | tralala | do you by any chance use ubuntu? |
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| 17:19.40 | Jocke | tralala, kinda. I use Debian. |
| 17:19.44 | Jocke | i eman |
| 17:19.46 | Jocke | gnewsense |
| 17:19.46 | Ronin | Jocke: kinda? heh |
| 17:19.52 | Jocke | gnewsense |
| 17:19.53 | Jocke | :) |
| 17:20.31 | tralala | aptitude, test |
| 17:20.47 | tralala | it wasn't me! |
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| 17:21.27 | wols | tralala: you've been found out |
| 17:21.29 | wols | no use denying |
| 17:21.36 | Jocke | tralala, hmm it didn't work really |
| 17:21.37 | stew | &petasmite abrotman |
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| 17:21.44 | abrotman | WHAT?! |
| 17:21.51 | abrotman | &why is vlc not in testing |
| 17:22.02 | tralala | &why is aptitude gone |
| 17:22.03 | abrotman | oh .. totally gone |
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| 17:22.18 | Arelis | How does Debian compare to Ubuntu? |
| 17:22.20 | tralala | Jocke, it would've on debian |
| 17:22.29 | tralala | Arelis, Debian > Ubuntu |
| 17:22.29 | azeem | Arelis: similar but different |
| 17:22.50 | Arelis | azeem: please explain :) |
| 17:22.57 | Arelis | tralala: Why do you think that? |
| 17:23.00 | azeem | Arelis: do research |
| 17:23.02 | tralala | it's a particular case of Debian > * |
| 17:23.06 | penp | ubuntu is based off debian |
| 17:23.06 | catsup | hm |
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| 17:23.24 | aptitude | Okay, I'm here. (courtesy of stew) |
| 17:23.24 | tralala | Arelis, I'm on #debian</hint> |
| 17:23.31 | penp | ubuntu does a lot of configuration for you that most debian users dont really like |
| 17:23.39 | azeem | &search |
| 17:23.39 | aptitude | rumour has it, search is try 'apt-cache search <regex>', if you want to know what package owns a file use dpkg -S /bin/foo. To find a package based on what files it includes use 'aptitude install apt-file;apt-file update;apt-file search foo'. Use http://packages.debian.org if you're not on a debian system. /msg <bot> find <thing> if you're already here. /msg <bot> listkeys <thing> to find factoids containing <thing>. see http://wiki.debian.org/WhereIsIt |
| 17:23.42 | azeem | yay |
| 17:23.44 | azeem | stew: thx |
| 17:24.03 | catsup | does ubuntu have gfdl docs? |
| 17:24.07 | azeem | yes |
| 17:24.50 | velho_ | penp: what kind of configuration? |
| 17:24.55 | catsup | that's a major difference then |
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| 17:26.47 | abrotman | stew: thank you |
| 17:26.58 | mustapha | hello everyone |
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| 17:32.30 | catsup | open question, what do you think of debian gfdl policy? |
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| 17:33.37 | tralala | catsup, /msg aptitude polls |
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| 17:35.13 | catsup | jeeze |
| 17:36.11 | catsup | tralala: what is there is not actually applicable, but apparently the question has offended you in any case... |
| 17:36.51 | abrotman | heh |
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| 17:40.03 | jelly-home | catsup: it's been rehashed to death, and this is a support channel. If the question is offending, it's solely because of the implication that this channel can provide a better view of the situation that debian-legal archives can. |
| 17:40.08 | tralala | catsup, feel free to share your thoughts on any debian policy. If anybody else feels like it they'll follow your example. Be prepared get flamed for brining off-topic conversations. |
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| 17:42.03 | jelly-home | &gfdl |
| 17:42.04 | aptitude | well, gfdl is the GNU "free" documentation license, see discussion at http://lists.debian.org/debian-legal/2003/debian-legal-200309/msg00169.html and http://lists.debian.org/debian-legal/2003/debian-legal-200304/msg00246.html. See the position statement at http://people.debian.org/~srivasta/Position_Statement.html |
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| 17:43.34 | catsup | heh, well i would hardly want to make conversation here if that would violate the channel's norms |
| 17:43.47 | catsup | i had just assumed otherwise |
| 17:43.53 | abrotman | COWS! |
| 17:44.42 | jelly-home | catsup: IME, offtopic is heavily discouraged if there are users with support questions, but tolerated during the off hours. |
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| 17:45.38 | jelly-home | ... and I don't see any real questions in the last 15 minutes or so. |
| 17:45.58 | jelly-home | &moo |
| 17:45.58 | aptitude | mooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I'm a cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass. I'm a cow, you could be too; join us all! type apt-get moo. aplay /usr/lib/openoffice/share/gallery/sounds/cow.wav |
| 17:46.20 | abrotman | i didn't do it! |
| 17:46.24 | catsup | heh |
| 17:46.28 | jelly-home | &abrotmoo |
| 17:46.28 | aptitude | maaaan! I am abrotmoo, hear me man, I weigh twice as much as moon, I'm a man, eating grass, factoid gas comes out my ass. I'm a man, you are too; join us all! type !moo. |
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| 17:47.57 | jelly-home | catsup: the way I see it, Debian has declared that 1) documentation is software, and 2) gfdl does not meet dfsg. |
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| 17:48.46 | jelly-home | catsup: my personal opinion is that 1) is debatable, but there's no easy solution, and 2) has merit. |
| 17:48.54 | Mauna_Loa | hi |
| 17:48.58 | Mauna_Loa | I'm running debian etch and xchat 2.8.2. No matter what I do I can't send or receive files on irc!! Can someone please help me? |
| 17:49.18 | jelly-home | Mauna_Loa: are you behind a NAT router? |
| 17:49.19 | catsup | Mauna_Loa: you are probably behind a proxy |
| 17:49.23 | elmo40 | behind a firewall? |
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| 17:50.35 | Mauna_Loa | jelly-home: I had put my internal ip on dmz |
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| 17:51.07 | Mauna_Loa | catsup: no, I'm not behind a proxy, and my internal ip is on dmz, on the router |
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| 17:51.52 | jelly-home | Mauna_Loa: Your router has to know about IRC' DCC protocol to be able to translate it, or you need to have a proper ip address accessible from outside. |
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| 17:52.57 | Mauna_Loa | elmo40: yes, I'm behind a firewall, but I don't receive any error messages |
| 17:53.13 | catsup | Mauna_Loa: the connection you're using now? I can't ping you |
| 17:53.21 | jelly-home | Mauna_Loa: if your machine thinks it has an internal ip, it will be embedded in DCC protocol data, thus confusing the other side |
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| 17:53.43 | Mauna_Loa | jelly-home: I have configured the router. I puted my internal ip address on dmz |
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| 17:54.59 | Mauna_Loa | jelly-home: my machine must have an internal ip cause I'm behind a router |
| 17:55.29 | elmo40 | Mauna_Loa: you can get someone from outside to test your ports... |
| 17:55.31 | Mauna_Loa | catsup: I have configured xchat not to allow ping |
| 17:55.36 | jelly-home | Mauna_Loa: well, it obviously isn't enough. If it's a DSL connection, maybe you could put the router in bridge mode and use your machine with pppoe or pppoa to get the real outside ip on it. |
| 17:55.55 | Mauna_Loa | catsup: no_nctcp %s PING %d |
| 17:55.58 | catsup | Mauna_Loa: not irc ping, normal ping |
| 17:56.04 | catsup | ICMP ping |
| 17:56.24 | Mauna_Loa | catsup: I have configured my firewall not to allow icmp |
| 17:56.28 | catsup | nmap also gives nothing |
| 17:56.34 | elmo40 | if it is a DSL connection, maybe those ports are blocked by the ISP? |
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| 17:56.48 | catsup | do you have any open ports? |
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| 17:56.53 | catsup | that would be a pretty evil ISP |
| 17:57.04 | Mauna_Loa | emo40: no, they are not blocked by isp |
| 17:57.06 | jelly-home | Mauna_Loa: or get a router which can handle DCC. |
| 17:57.17 | Mauna_Loa | catsup: I have opend ports 1024 and 1025 (tcp) |
| 17:57.21 | elmo40 | many ISP's do block ports! Mine blocks high ports >40,000 |
| 17:57.32 | waltz | ohnoes |
| 17:57.40 | wols | Mauna_Loa: did you tell xchat that it should use those ports for dcc? |
| 17:57.58 | dutchfish | i think my ISP has installed a proxy, how can i check? |
| 17:58.00 | jelly-home | my old Siemens SE515 does DCC connection tracking (Linux inside) |
| 17:58.03 | Mauna_Loa | elmo40: I went to grc and tested if the isp was blocking ports |
| 17:58.10 | catsup | Mauna_Loa: I can't get in to 1024, apparently (still waiting for timeout) |
| 17:58.22 | Mauna_Loa | wols: yes I did! I opened ports 1024 and 1025 on xchat |
| 17:58.40 | catsup | what's your router hardware? |
| 17:58.42 | wols | Mauna_Loa: did you portforward those ports? |
| 17:59.05 | Mauna_Loa | wols: I puted those ports on virtual servers, on the router |
| 17:59.47 | Mauna_Loa | wols: then I even puted my local ip on dmz (on the router) |
| 17:59.49 | jelly-home | Mauna_Loa: can you do a "nc -lp 1024" on your machine? |
| 18:00.07 | elmo40 | funny thing, i have never had issues with sending files with an IM client, or dcc. Only issues i have had were ssh and ftp. Then i would have to port forward. I guess it is the router causing all his problems (as wols suggests) |
| 18:00.28 | yang | Which module should I use for the Genius webcam ID 0c45:60b0 Microdia ? I found sn9cxxx but it isn't built for debian and its a closed source |
| 18:00.30 | catsup | Mauna_Loa: by the way, remember what jelly-home said, dcc still requires the right IP to be sent, either by translation on the router (or maybe on the part of xchat if it supports that) |
| 18:01.59 | catsup | haha, sn9cxxx author is providing only binaries and wants to be payed to release gpl source |
| 18:02.00 | jelly-home | hm, yes, the announced IP address can be set in xchat. (Preferences -> Network -> File transfers -> DCC IP address) |
| 18:02.08 | Mauna_Loa | catsup: are you sying that (on the router) I must open ports 1024 and 1025 on "port triggering" and not on "virtual servers" ?? |
| 18:02.42 | elmo40 | Mauna_Loa: port forwarding, not triggering. |
| 18:02.51 | wols | "port triggering"? wtf? |
| 18:02.53 | catsup | Mauna_Loa: you shouldn't have to port forward anywhting with the dmz |
| 18:02.56 | Mauna_Loa | jelly-home: nc -lp 1024 gives no results |
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| 18:03.10 | elmo40 | Mauna_Loa: if your irc client is on 102.168.0.3, then forward the ports 1024-5 to that internal IP |
| 18:03.14 | jelly-home | Mauna_Loa: does it run, just standing there? |
| 18:03.20 | Mauna_Loa | elmo40: my router only have "port triggering" and "virtual servers" |
| 18:03.25 | tralala | wols, port knocking? |
| 18:03.28 | elmo40 | what router? |
| 18:03.34 | elmo40 | port kicking |
| 18:03.43 | elmo40 | port surfing :/ |
| 18:04.05 | jelly-home | Mauna_Loa: keep it running, and I'll try connecting to 84.18.249.39 on tcp/1024 |
| 18:04.07 | wols | tralala: port knokcing is easy to understand imho |
| 18:04.15 | Mauna_Loa | elmo40: and it also has "inbound filters" |
| 18:04.29 | tralala | wols, I mean is that what they call "port triggering"? |
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| 18:04.50 | Mauna_Loa | jelly-home: it is just standing there |
| 18:04.59 | jelly-home | Mauna_Loa: that's ok, just keep it there |
| 18:05.00 | wols | tralala: no clue, am I a chinese router maker? |
| 18:05.03 | yang | catsup: my v4l-info output of the camera is here ID 0c45:60b0 Microdia |
| 18:05.04 | Mauna_Loa | jelly-home |
| 18:05.07 | Mauna_Loa | jelly-home: ok |
| 18:05.17 | tralala | wols, don't tell me you aren't! |
| 18:05.37 | yang | catsup: http://openpaste.org/en/4227/ |
| 18:05.39 | jelly-home | Mauna_Loa: I can't connect to your ip on tcp/1024. Your setup does not forward from router's tcp/1024 to your machine. |
| 18:05.42 | catsup | yang: well, i don't know, but in all probability there is no free driver (otherwise why would some guy be holding his source up for ransom?) |
| 18:06.16 | Mauna_Loa | elmo40: that's what I did: I forwrded ports 1024 and 1025 to this machine internal IP |
| 18:06.18 | wols | tralala: I have speak my "r"'s just fine |
| 18:06.33 | jelly-home | Mauna_Loa: your forwarding does not work. |
| 18:06.37 | Mauna_Loa | can I please try to send a file to someone? |
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| 18:06.49 | elmo40 | Mauna_Loa: sure |
| 18:06.50 | elmo40 | me |
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| 18:07.04 | tralala | wols, are you trying to confuse me?! |
| 18:07.46 | wols | tralala: is it working? |
| 18:07.50 | Mauna_Loa | elmo40: thanks. let me just see and is happening with my port 1024. jelly-home says my forwarding doesn't work |
| 18:08.10 | elmo40 | my dcc uses a random port. |
| 18:08.17 | tralala | wols, hehe, pretty well |
| 18:08.29 | jelly-home | Mauna_Loa: if it worked, anyone would be able to connect to your nc process |
| 18:08.48 | epsilon | ehh, using port 1024 or 1025 for static services is a very bad idea |
| 18:09.00 | tralala | Mauna_Loa, you're router isn't configured properly |
| 18:09.12 | tralala | epsilon, good thing he isn't using them for static services |
| 18:09.19 | tralala | your |
| 18:09.21 | tralala | bleh |
| 18:09.41 | jelly-home | tralala: !apostrophesmite yourself |
| 18:09.56 | tralala | &apostrophesmite me |
| 18:10.09 | elmo40 | Mauna_Loa: you trying to send something? |
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| 18:10.46 | Mauna_Loa | jelly-home: can you please see if you can now connect to my port 1024 ? |
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| 18:11.05 | abrotman | telnet <ip> 1024 |
| 18:11.11 | jelly-home | Mauna_Loa: nope. Are you at 84.18.249.39? |
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| 18:11.18 | tralala | I want a mind-reading keyboard substitute |
| 18:11.25 | Mauna_Loa | jelly-home: yes I am |
| 18:11.26 | elmo40 | tralala: i hear ya. |
| 18:11.34 | jelly-home | Mauna_Loa: it still doesn't work |
| 18:12.01 | elmo40 | jelly-home: he is on dialup, i figure. It may take longer then expected ;) |
| 18:12.07 | sarefo | hi, can anybody recommend an mp3 player that can be a) used in an xterm, b) be influenced from outside the program? i use mp3blaster, but want to start/stop etc via a ssh connection. |
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| 18:12.22 | cahoot | mplayer |
| 18:12.24 | elmo40 | xmms has a plugin for console |
| 18:12.29 | jelly-home | elmo40: well, telnet is still Trying... |
| 18:12.53 | jelly-home | sarefo: mpd? |
| 18:12.55 | galf | mplayer |
| 18:12.55 | catsup | sarefo: you want something fancy with playlists or what? |
| 18:13.13 | catsup | mplayer has no console gui, but it's what i use |
| 18:13.18 | catsup | vlc hsa a console gui though |
| 18:13.22 | tralala | mplayer can do playlists |
| 18:13.35 | catsup | ya, mplayer can do all that stuff, there's just no gui to do it |
| 18:13.36 | jelly-home | Isn't "console gui" an oxymoron? |
| 18:13.38 | elmo40 | mcdp - Small console cd player |
| 18:13.45 | catsup | jelly-home: no |
| 18:13.49 | valdyn | catsup: run "gmplayer" |
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| 18:14.12 | tralala | catsup, as a matter of fact there is a simple tui |
| 18:14.20 | Mauna_Loa | jelly-home: can you please see if you can now connect to my port 1024 ? now I think you will be able to connect |
| 18:14.22 | elmo40 | jelly-home: i think he means UI ;) |
| 18:14.26 | catsup | no, GUI |
| 18:14.40 | jelly-home | Mauna_Loa: looks better, can you run nc again? |
| 18:14.48 | catsup | graphical interface, you know, console can produce graphics, even video, heh |
| 18:14.52 | elmo40 | catsup: how do you have a console GUI ? |
| 18:14.58 | catsup | you use ASCII graphics |
| 18:15.06 | Mauna_Loa | jelly-home: i'm gonna cancel it and started it again |
| 18:15.07 | cahoot | text is the gui of language |
| 18:15.10 | valdyn | my X runs on a console ( where else ) |
| 18:15.14 | elmo40 | that is not technically called graphics |
| 18:15.14 | jelly-home | Mauna_Loa: oh, it's running? |
| 18:15.31 | jelly-home | Mauna_Loa: at least now I get connection refused on port 1024. |
| 18:15.36 | catsup | elmo40: what do you mean? of course it is |
| 18:15.50 | elmo40 | ascii ART is not GUI |
| 18:15.55 | Mauna_Loa | jelly-home: it's open now |
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| 18:16.05 | elmo40 | it doesnt render individual pixels, it renders characters. |
| 18:16.11 | catsup | no, ascii art is not gui, but a user interface built with ascii graphics is a gui |
| 18:16.20 | Guerin | elmo40: not necessarily. See links2 -g |
| 18:16.20 | elmo40 | fine, whatever. |
| 18:16.23 | simonrvn | witf |
| 18:16.28 | wols | elmo40: svgalib among others |
| 18:16.31 | elmo40 | Guerin: but that is not using ascii |
| 18:16.33 | sarefo | thx guys, didn't know mplayer can do this. i use it for video, and liked mp3blaster for it's *console gui* (it's quite nice actually ;) |
| 18:16.39 | tralala | catsup, text and graphics have exclusinve meaning in computer jargon |
| 18:16.50 | Guerin | elmo40: indeed ist is not. But it's a gui on the console. |
| 18:16.51 | jelly-home | Mauna_Loa: works, obviously ;-) |
| 18:17.37 | catsup | ya, text and graphics are distinct, but ascii can be used to produce graphics instead of text! |
| 18:17.42 | tralala | and arguing about language semantics outside of the jargon isn't very beneficial |
| 18:17.46 | sarefo | good things about it: *fast* startup, you can bg the gui, everything can be reached via keyboard |
| 18:17.55 | Mauna_Loa | jelly-home: thanks! now I'm gonna try to send you a file. ok? |
| 18:17.56 | catsup | there are even fonts specifically designed for the purpose |
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| 18:18.15 | sarefo | i used aaxine for a while, to preview videos over ssh :) |
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| 18:19.00 | tralala | mplayer does aa as well |
| 18:19.13 | tralala | it's awful |
| 18:19.21 | catsup | it's hilarious |
| 18:19.27 | sarefo | hehe, maybe i'll try it some time. first i'll have to check if i get the mplayer demon to work for me |
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| 18:19.44 | sarefo | tralala: you have to squint your eyes, then it's quite funny |
| 18:20.00 | tralala | sarefo, I care about my eyes |
| 18:20.10 | jelly-home | !win Mauna_Loa |
| 18:20.16 | jelly-home | &win Mauna_Loa |
| 18:20.17 | aptitude | Congratulations, Mauna_Loa! You have won the US presidency! |
| 18:20.25 | sarefo | squinting your eyes will not mess with their function in the long term ;) |
| 18:20.44 | jelly-home | sarefo: unless you do it habitually |
| 18:20.51 | jelly-home | Mauna_Loa: got your file |
| 18:20.51 | tralala | jelly-home, man, you messed up my terminal! |
| 18:20.53 | sarefo | jelly-home: i don't think so :) |
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| 18:21.14 | sarefo | there was even iirc cacaxine for color ascii graphics, but it sucked |
| 18:21.21 | simonrvn | @lart jelly-home |
| 18:21.39 | jelly-home | sarefo: mplayer has both caca and aalib support |
| 18:22.11 | catsup | ooh, i didn't know about caca, now i have to try it |
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| 18:22.42 | GiabboO | yo |
| 18:22.52 | tralala | sunday, sunday... la-la la-la-la-la |
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| 18:23.28 | Mauna_Loa | jelly-home: I think I starting to see where the problem is... what irc client are you using?? I'm trying to send the same file to a person who has mirc 6.21 and that person doesn't receive the file! |
| 18:23.45 | jelly-home | Mauna_Loa: xchat, too |
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| 18:24.44 | Mauna_Loa | jelly-home: so we (users of xcaht) can't send files to mirc users? is this a known issue? Is there a way to solve this problem? |
| 18:25.06 | jelly-home | Mauna_Loa: no idea. Try sending to jelly-ho, that's irssi. |
| 18:25.10 | tralala | the best solution - rapidly reducing the number of mirc users |
| 18:26.04 | Mauna_Loa | jelly-home: ok, just try send me a file first (to see if this works on both ends) |
| 18:26.09 | catsup | Mauna_Loa: the problem seems to be in your router |
| 18:26.52 | Mauna_Loa | catsup: my internal ip is on dmz... Besides, I did received the file jelly-home has sent me |
| 18:27.37 | jelly-home | Mauna_Loa: to be honest, I'm not sure DCC SEND works on my side. |
| 18:28.14 | catsup | hm, caca is slower than aa, video falls behind audio |
| 18:28.23 | catsup | or maybe its sync isn't right |
| 18:28.45 | Mauna_Loa | jelly-home: weel, I didn't received your file but I have this on my firewall logs: < Dec 09 13:18:11 to - In eth0 1 udp packet (897 bytes) from 221.8.118.122 port 44898 (-) to 192.168.1.2 port 1027 (-) - |
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| 18:29.12 | jelly-home | Mauna_Loa: that's not me. |
| 18:29.34 | Mauna_Loa | jelly-home: so do I need to open udp ports on the firewall, in order to receive files? ups, ok, it's not you |
| 18:29.36 | jelly-home | Mauna_Loa: did you at least receive the offer? |
| 18:29.49 | wols | Mauna_Loa: no.dcc is tcp only |
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| 18:32.43 | Mauna_Loa | jelly-home: yes, I receive the offter. can you please try it now? |
| 18:33.06 | catsup | Mauna_Loa: oh i didn't realize |
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| 18:35.33 | jelly-home | Mauna_Loa: looks like I have the same issue, I just don't care enough to fix it. ;-) |
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| 18:36.26 | SamuraiDio | i'm trying to install the drivers on my new notebook, an Acer Aspire 7520, but i'm having much problems... the ata hard disk sometimes dont boot, and i still coulsnt install my touchpad and even sound. can someone gimme a hand |
| 18:36.30 | SamuraiDio | ? |
| 18:37.02 | Mauna_Loa | jelly-home: it fails because you are blocking TCP incomes. try use the following command: "/dcc psend Mauna_Loa" with this command it's me the server... |
| 18:37.21 | SamuraiDio | http://pastebin.com/d4ff8071a |
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| 18:38.06 | drasko | hi all. How to force gcc to use one library on the different path instead of another with the same name in the standard path? |
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| 18:38.58 | catsup | drasko: -L |
| 18:39.18 | drasko | catsup, tnx |
| 18:39.33 | Mauna_Loa | elmo40: can you please try to send me a file? |
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| 18:39.56 | elmo40 | Mauna_Loa: sure |
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| 18:40.27 | tralala | /dcc send Mauna_Loa myrootkit |
| 18:40.41 | elmo40 | lol |
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| 18:41.06 | pasqualenet | ciao a tutti |
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| 18:41.10 | elmo40 | i sent the request... did you receive it? |
| 18:41.13 | pasqualenet | !list |
| 18:41.25 | tralala | &warezsmite pasqualenet |
| 18:41.36 | Mauna_Loa | elmo40: it fails :( |
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| 18:42.40 | Mauna_Loa | elmo40: I received the request but the connection fails |
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| 18:43.15 | elmo40 | interesting |
| 18:43.18 | tralala | Mauna_Loa, it looks like it is failing, but the rootkit is actually installed successfully |
| 18:43.31 | Mauna_Loa | talala: lol |
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| 18:44.06 | Mauna_Loa | jelly-home: sorry, I was reading the logs and did'nt see your request |
| 18:44.09 | tralala | Mauna_Loa, welcome to the zombie botnet ;) |
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| 18:45.02 | Mauna_Loa | elmo40: are you able to send files to other users? do I need to allow ping and ctcp on xchat? |
| 18:46.33 | Mauna_Loa | elmo40 I mean ping and ctcp replies |
| 18:46.41 | Mauna_Loa | jelly-home: it failed |
| 18:47.37 | jelly-home | Mauna_Loa: the passive send did, I see. What about the new dcc send? I've messed with _my_ router (and my iptables) now., |
| 18:48.19 | Nyle | well |
| 18:48.28 | Nyle | halfway through resident evil 3 and so far its sucked |
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| 18:49.02 | Mauna_Loa | jelly-home: neither the passive send nor the normal send did. I'm gonna allow ping and time replies and reconnect |
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| 18:49.49 | SamuraiDio | did someone installed a debian distro on a recent acer aspire notebook (like 7520)? |
| 18:50.36 | azeem | SamuraiDio: check www.tuxmobile.org |
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| 18:50.47 | Mauna_Loa | hi. I'm back :) |
| 18:51.02 | Mauna_Loa | can someone please send me a file? |
| 18:51.27 | xsdg | apt-get seems to want to install Recommended packages without being asked, whereas it did not used to do this. How do I get it to only install what I ask for and their Dependencies? |
| 18:51.37 | xsdg | (by default) |
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| 18:51.58 | tralala | xsdg, man apt_conf |
| 18:52.09 | xsdg | tralala: I'm looking; I can't see anything useful |
| 18:52.28 | xsdg | (that is, if you meant apt.conf(5)) |
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| 18:52.52 | Mar_La | you add the website in this directory http://www.directoryofwebsite.com |
| 18:53.03 | abrotman | you do? |
| 18:53.20 | kLinGo_ | hi |
| 18:53.52 | tralala | xsdg, apt-get or aptitude? |
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| 18:54.49 | kLinGo_ | tralala: test |
| 18:54.52 | xsdg | tralala: apt-get |
| 18:54.55 | abrotman | kLinGo_: fail |
| 18:55.08 | kLinGo_ | abrotman: success |
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| 18:56.24 | Mauna_Loa | I'm back |
| 18:56.35 | jelly2 | have at ye! |
| 18:56.38 | Mauna_Loa | can someone please try to send me a file? |
| 18:57.10 | tralala | xsdg, hmm... apt.conf doesn't seem helpful indeed |
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| 18:58.53 | Mauna_Loa | jelly: it fails :( |
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| 19:00.39 | Mauna_Loa | jelly: do I need to open port 113, to authentication? |
| 19:00.46 | jelly-home | nope |
| 19:01.09 | Christoph_vW | lol --> http://www.theinquirer.net/gb/inquirer/news/2007/12/06/seagate-snubs-linux |
| 19:01.12 | Christoph_vW | "are not compatible with the Open Sauce operating system Linux." |
| 19:01.44 | jelly-home | you need to close the sauce otherwise it spoils |
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| 19:02.05 | catsup | i don't see why seagate should be expected to support open sauces |
| 19:02.28 | catsup | their basic incompatibility with electronics is obvious |
| 19:02.32 | Mauna_Loa | I'm gonna reboot |
| 19:02.32 | tralala | or any other sauces for that matter |
| 19:03.06 | kLinGo_ | habanero got some ampers in it |
| 19:03.49 | eth01 | i've updated my lenny system, but SSH refuses to accept any connections, why is this? |
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| 19:04.04 | eth01 | upgraded from ETCH to lenny *** |
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| 19:04.26 | xsdg | eth01: try `/etc/init.d/sshd restart` |
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| 19:07.44 | xolve | how can I update my package lists offline, |
| 19:08.22 | tralala | xolve, you can't (easily) |
| 19:08.26 | elmo40 | xolve: you expect to? |
| 19:08.51 | xolve | i have got a slow connection so cant do it, normally i download debs from collge computers, but to update package lists how to do this |
| 19:09.10 | xolve | elmo40: yes |
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| 19:09.23 | elmo40 | you need a local repository |
| 19:09.38 | xolve | I mean getting lists on one pc and then copying them back to my pc |
| 19:09.39 | elmo40 | then edit your /etc/apt/sources.list to point to it |
| 19:09.52 | xolve | i dont have local reps. |
| 19:10.31 | tralala | the lists are in Packages.gz, putting them on your pc would require some manual and dangerous operations |
| 19:11.37 | xolve | well the lists are stored in /var/libs/apt/lists I copy them there |
| 19:11.41 | tralala | if you're brave enough, see ls /var/lib/apt/lists/ |
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| 19:11.54 | xolve | tralala, seen |
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| 19:12.54 | tralala | there you go then - download, replace the contents and (optionally) reinstall (if something goes wrong) |
| 19:13.49 | xolve | well if the other pc connected to Internet has fedora or windows then how to do this |
| 19:14.27 | tralala | the same way |
| 19:14.31 | xolve | how |
| 19:14.35 | tralala | even if it has MacOSX |
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| 19:14.47 | xolve | tralala, pls tell |
| 19:14.55 | tralala | download and replace |
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| 19:15.08 | xolve | how to download!! |
| 19:15.09 | carlus | hello from France |
| 19:15.36 | carlus | i have a big pb and need some help |
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| 19:15.43 | catsup | xolve: i believe there's software for that |
| 19:15.51 | carlus | anybody ca, help for a dbus pb ? |
| 19:16.01 | xolve | catsup, there is no software to do this |
| 19:16.13 | catsup | i'm sorry, what precisely do you want to do? |
| 19:16.38 | tralala | catsup, apt-get update without an internet connection |
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| 19:17.33 | jelly-home | &info apt-zip etch |
| 19:17.39 | xolve | tralala, how will it do when it doesnt find one connection |
| 19:17.40 | aptitude | apt-zip: (Update a non-networked computer using apt and removable media), section admin, is extra. Version: 0.15 (etch), Packaged size: 17 kB, Installed size: 116 kB |
| 19:17.49 | catsup | ya, that's it |
| 19:18.11 | tralala | apt-zip needs up to date packages |
| 19:18.24 | tralala | package lists |
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| 19:18.28 | catsup | oh, well that's a serious flaw |
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| 19:18.56 | catsup | anyway, can't you just use apt to download the package lists on the other computer? |
| 19:19.00 | xolve | aptitude, apt-zip doesn't update package list |
| 19:19.02 | jelly-home | yeah, serious as in "you first need to download the lists" |
| 19:19.15 | Seb | if a depends on b|c, and neither b nor c is installed, will apt-get/aptitude always try to intall b first (rather than c) when installing a ? |
| 19:19.21 | tralala | xolve, ls /var/lib/apt/lists/ for a hint |
| 19:19.24 | Seb | i mean, it's what I figured, but is there a proper piece of documentation describing this behavior (other than the source, that is :>) |
| 19:19.30 | abrotman | just get the Packages.gz ? |
| 19:19.40 | xolve | catsup, most PCs in my college are fedora/winXP |
| 19:19.41 | jelly-home | xolve: so download the lists on the networked machine and bring them home. |
| 19:20.05 | xolve | tralala, i have done it just asking how ro get those files. |
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| 19:20.15 | catsup | xolve: then you will have to do some work to get apt running on them, heh |
| 19:20.15 | tralala | does apt-zip unpack the lists ? |
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| 19:20.28 | xolve | these are not stored on server rather built dynamically |
| 19:20.38 | Mauna_Loa | what is the maximum number of users on this channel? |
| 19:20.40 | xolve | catsup, how will it do?? |
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| 19:21.20 | catsup | xolve: well, one way is to boot a whole different system, another is to compile and install apt locally (for xp, you'd have to use cygwin) |
| 19:21.26 | abrotman | Mauna_Loa: currently or ever? |
| 19:21.27 | tralala | Mauna_Loa, there's enough room for your buddies, don't worry |
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| 19:22.06 | catsup | xolve: then you just have to configure apt to use the lists onto your portable disk, which is done with its configuration |
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| 19:22.36 | xolve | catsup, how to get those lists!! from a non-debian PC |
| 19:22.48 | catsup | i just explained! with apt-get! |
| 19:22.50 | abrotman | xolve: Packages.gz |
| 19:22.53 | tralala | Am I too bright or is "ftp.fr.debian.org_debian_dists_etch_main_binary-amd64_Packages" pretty clear? |
| 19:23.08 | catsup | ya or you can just download the Packages.gz files from the ftp servers |
| 19:23.42 | jelly-home | xolve: it's a bit complicated with a non-debian machine. |
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| 19:23.46 | catsup | I mean--that's a little crude--but if you can't figure out how to compile apt, go for it |
| 19:23.55 | yarble | exit |
| 19:24.39 | xolve | catsup, try it there is no packages.gz file rather separate file for each package |
| 19:24.40 | wols | tralala: you are very bright indeed |
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| 19:25.07 | sarefo | jelly-home, as you proposed mpd, maybe you know what i'm doing wrong if i have it running, do 'mpc add song.mp3', and 'mpc playlist' shows nothing? |
| 19:25.12 | catsup | xolve: ok, i believe you, maybe they changed the way it works to support the new diff mechanism |
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| 19:25.24 | tralala | wols, it was a rhethoric question, of course |
| 19:25.33 | catsup | xolve: but anyway--installing apt on any reasonable system is possible, it doesn't have to be a debian system (and you don't need root) |
| 19:26.00 | wols | tralala: you don't say? |
| 19:26.29 | catsup | anyone got docs for xolve on how to compile software the old-fashioned way? |
| 19:26.34 | tralala | wols, I gotcha, didn't I! I am very bright indeed! |
| 19:26.44 | xolve | catsup, I know how to compile |
| 19:26.52 | catsup | oh |
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| 19:27.20 | jelly-home | &pony tralala |
| 19:27.27 | catsup | omg |
| 19:27.29 | xolve | catsup, it wont work apt makes assumptions from the distrr |
| 19:27.31 | tralala | &win me |
| 19:27.31 | aptitude | Congratulations, tralala! You have won the time-life collection of vintage AOL CDs, a set of 120! |
| 19:27.35 | catsup | if tralala gets a pony i want a pony |
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| 19:27.44 | tralala | &nopony catsup |
| 19:27.45 | aptitude | catsup: http://sc.tri-bit.com/images/2/23/pony.jpg |
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| 19:27.54 | catsup | xolve: no it doesn't, apt's assumptions are configurable |
| 19:28.06 | catsup | xolve: it will work |
| 19:28.10 | catsup | :( |
| 19:28.15 | kLinGo | how can i check my linux for NTPL support ? |
| 19:28.35 | abrotman | is it debian? |
| 19:28.44 | xolve | catsup, will try for sure if you say, but still I am just 49% sure |
| 19:28.52 | tralala | kLinGo, apt-cache search ntpl |
| 19:28.56 | catsup | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Ponygirl_folsom2005.jpg |
| 19:29.09 | abrotman | tralala: did you try that? |
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| 19:29.24 | catsup | xolve: see /usr/share/doc/apt/examples/configure-index.gz you will see that it is possible |
| 19:29.30 | tralala | abrotman, no |
| 19:29.33 | abrotman | ok |
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| 19:30.31 | kLinGo | tralala: is no output - no support ? apt-cache returns all packages avail. or only installed ? |
| 19:31.04 | tralala | kLinGo, all available |
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| 19:31.31 | tralala | searching for posix threads doesn't help either |
| 19:31.53 | kLinGo | so latest debian has no support for native posix threads |
| 19:32.03 | abrotman | kLinGo: /lib/libc.so.6 .. does it say about NTPL or not ? |
| 19:32.05 | kLinGo | why doesn't help ? |
| 19:32.28 | tralala | it doesn't return anythink that looks like ntpl |
| 19:32.41 | tralala | anything |
| 19:33.30 | abrotman | on lenny i get " Native POSIX Threads Library by Ulrich Drepper et al" |
| 19:33.44 | kLinGo | abrotman: it does not. only linuxthreads , libthread_db |
| 19:33.58 | xolve | catsup, ok will try it |
| 19:34.00 | tralala | abrotman, which package? |
| 19:34.01 | kLinGo | and thread local |
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| 19:34.20 | abrotman | tralala: libc6 ? |
| 19:34.28 | kLinGo | ok.. going without ntpl |
| 19:34.32 | kLinGo | thx |
| 19:34.36 | abrotman | oh .. libc6-i686 or whatever it is |
| 19:34.58 | _|Nix|_ | Hi! Is there a HOWTO somewhere for setting up a repo that I can later dput to? This would be a local repo, so I wouldn't need scp at all. Plain old cp would work fine. |
| 19:35.15 | tralala | nothing like that on etch |
| 19:35.17 | abrotman | kLinGo: moment |
| 19:35.41 | _|Nix|_ | However, the repo would be located in a Web server's DocumentRoot, so I could also access it over http. However, I wouldn't dput anything to it over scp. |
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| 19:36.05 | abrotman | kLinGo: see /usr/share/doc/libc6/ |
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| 19:38.11 | Chr_ | Hello |
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| 19:39.51 | kLinGo | abrotman: i'm in, what to do |
| 19:39.54 | kLinGo | abrotman: README ? |
| 19:40.00 | _|Nix|_ | Hmmm ... I found http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/286 ("Setting up your own APT repository with upload support"), but I can't seem to find reprepo in "deb http://ftp.debian.org/debian etch main" |
| 19:40.09 | Reilithion | How do I talk directly to my modem -- send ATZ and such? Like the Linux equivalent of Windows' Hyperterm? |
| 19:40.11 | abrotman | kLinGo: there's a changelog.ntpl.gz ? |
| 19:40.16 | abrotman | Reilithion: mincom |
| 19:40.18 | abrotman | minicom |
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| 19:40.39 | kLinGo | abrotman: yes |
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| 19:40.44 | Reilithion | abrotman: thanks |
| 19:40.47 | Reilithion | again |
| 19:40.51 | abrotman | kLinGo: i'd imagine that means it has ntpl |
| 19:41.00 | abrotman | Reilithion: you're welcome |
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| 19:41.03 | dashs | Recommendaions for VNC server?? |
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| 19:41.20 | dashs | err, Recommendations |
| 19:41.30 | dhe | i have installed with timezone USA but i live in Berlin, Germany |
| 19:41.37 | dhe | how can i change this system wide? |
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| 19:42.40 | abrotman | !set the time |
| 19:42.40 | galf | tzselect |
| 19:42.45 | abrotman | &set the time |
| 19:42.46 | aptitude | To set the time in debian, use date --set. The truly enlightened user, however, will install ntp and adjtimex to have their clock set automatically on reboot and slewed to match time servers. You may also need to run tzconfig (sarge, etch), dpkg-reconfigure tzdata (lenny, sid), and make sure you have the right UTC setting in /etc/default/rcS first. |
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| 19:43.02 | kLinGo | abrotman: so i imagine that you dont only imagine it, but ...it;s true |
| 19:43.10 | wols | abrotman: just in case you wanted to know: < Reilithion> nvm. abrotman found it. minicom |
| 19:43.16 | wols | abrotman: courtesy of #ubuntu |
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| 19:43.27 | abrotman | kLinGo: well . i'm not sure how to test definitely |
| 19:43.36 | abrotman | wols: ? support via proxy? :) |
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| 19:44.34 | catsup | minicom! oh man, that brings back memories |
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| 19:45.31 | abrotman | catsup: nightmares? |
| 19:45.36 | kLinGo | abrotman: ok, is it a big feature ? i'm instaliing a accounting program that has two options to install (w or w/ nptl) |
| 19:45.46 | abrotman | kLinGo: if you can use it .. i would |
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| 19:47.21 | abrotman | kLinGo: getconf GNU_LIBPTHREAD_VERSION |
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| 19:49.59 | catsup | abrotman: no way, good times |
| 19:50.42 | DustyBin | ive installed postfix but there is no documenation with the install on how to get postfix running in a chroot |
| 19:51.07 | catsup | the bbs days--when random people you met online were fairly available to meet in person |
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| 19:51.30 | DustyBin | amiga.bbs.days :D |
| 19:51.39 | gomiam | since dpkg isn't here to give me the guidelines, I'll go out on a limb and ask: I'm trying to get Flash to work in Iceweasel (Debian Etch/AMD64). I've tried libflash-mozplugin (and friends), gnash and I can't remember what else, with no results. I even tried nspluginwrapper. |
| 19:52.18 | catsup | DustyBin: there are some packages for making chroots. the postfix package itself won't run in a chroot, probably (unless that has been specifically included but not documented) |
| 19:52.21 | dhe | abrotman: i exported the TZ variable to /etc/profile and now the time is correct in ma shell, but not in syslog |
| 19:52.31 | gomiam | unfortunately, it seems nspluginwrapper requires "linux32" to work, which is in conflict with initrd-tools and util-linux |
| 19:52.32 | dutchfish | DustyBin, apt-get install postfix-doc |
| 19:52.32 | dhe | is there is system wide command? |
| 19:52.36 | abrotman | dhe: syslog uses the system widde time |
| 19:52.40 | abrotman | &set the time |
| 19:52.40 | aptitude | To set the time in debian, use date --set. The truly enlightened user, however, will install ntp and adjtimex to have their clock set automatically on reboot and slewed to match time servers. You may also need to run tzconfig (sarge, etch), dpkg-reconfigure tzdata (lenny, sid), and make sure you have the right UTC setting in /etc/default/rcS first. |
| 19:52.49 | gomiam | is it safe to apt-get install linux32 (doing away with initrd-tools and util-linux)? |
| 19:52.50 | abrotman | dhe: use tzconfig |
| 19:52.57 | dhe | abrotman: i have |
| 19:53.03 | DustyBin | thanks dutchfish |
| 19:53.04 | dhe | abrotman: but no change |
| 19:53.22 | abrotman | dhe: what about the UTC setting? |
| 19:53.38 | catsup | gomiam: why would that do away with initrd-tools?? |
| 19:53.49 | dutchfish | !tzconfig |
| 19:53.53 | galf | tzselect |
| 19:53.56 | dhe | abrotman: ah ok it was 1, now it works |
| 19:54.10 | abrotman | ok |
| 19:54.14 | abrotman | dutchfish: dpkg is toast |
| 19:54.24 | dutchfish | is dpkg not being revived? |
| 19:54.26 | jelly-home | sarefo: I haven't actually used it, but I guess to have to edit /etc/mpd.conf and set music_directory, then do an mpc update |
| 19:54.27 | dutchfish | ah ic |
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| 19:54.54 | \amethyst | aptitude, set the time =~ s/slew/skew/ |
| 19:54.54 | aptitude | \amethyst: cannot alter locked factoids |
| 19:55.07 | danilom | hi i do aptitude install phpbb2 and now what next? |
| 19:55.10 | gomiam | catsup: I don't know, but when I try to apt-get install linux32 it complains about initrd-tools and util-linux being removed (util-linux, actually). |
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| 19:55.32 | \amethyst | abrotman: are you capable of changing aptitude's factoids? |
| 19:55.50 | abrotman | \amethyst: everyone is |
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| 19:56.02 | xingu | \amethyst: adjtimex gradually skews - ie slews |
| 19:56.10 | abrotman | \amethyst: that one might actually be locked |
| 19:56.20 | abrotman | &factinfo set the time |
| 19:56.21 | aptitude | set the time -- last modified at Thu Dec 29 21:03:01 2005 by dondelelcaro!n=don@archimedes.ucr.edu; it has been requested 84 times, last by abrotman, 3m 41s ago; it has been locked by dondelelcaro. |
| 19:56.24 | abrotman | see |
| 19:56.34 | \amethyst | xingu: hm, I guess I hadn't heard that use of "slew" before |
| 19:56.35 | kLinGo | abrotman: ok, it has nptl support. dont remember the version |
| 19:56.43 | abrotman | kLinGo: good enough i suppose |
| 19:56.43 | gomiam | catsup: Is there a way to show the conflicts of a package through apt-cache or dpkg ? |
| 19:56.44 | kLinGo | thanx |
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| 19:56.50 | \amethyst | xingu: but you're right, so ignore me |
| 19:56.51 | abrotman | apt-cache show |
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| 19:56.57 | ki11bi11 | is there a linux version of drobo? |
| 19:56.58 | gomiam | thanks abrotman |
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| 19:57.12 | DustyBin | locate postfix | grep chroot = no results :( |
| 19:57.16 | abrotman | ki11bi11: drobo ? |
| 19:57.36 | abrotman | DustyBin: postfix is in a chroot |
| 19:57.39 | wols | DustyBin: what's that supposed to show you? |
| 19:57.42 | ki11bi11 | abrotman, a kind of smart raid system |
| 19:57.48 | abrotman | like dmraid ? |
| 19:58.04 | DustyBin | abrotman: debian installs postifx in a chroot by default? |
| 19:58.04 | ki11bi11 | abrotman, i'll check |
| 19:58.10 | wols | DustyBin: yes |
| 19:58.12 | abrotman | DustyBin: yes |
| 19:58.13 | Reilithion | *sigh* How do I figure out which device my modem is? |
| 19:58.21 | DustyBin | because on other distros you need to run scripts to achieve that |
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| 19:58.22 | wols | DustyBin: and #postfix is very unhappy about it |
| 19:58.27 | DustyBin | haha |
| 19:58.29 | DustyBin | why |
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| 19:58.38 | wols | cause it makes their job harder |
| 19:58.43 | DustyBin | hehe good |
| 19:59.04 | jelly-home | wols: it makes sysadmin's work harder too |
| 19:59.05 | lukas | Hi, is there any way how to protect config files against oerwriting on upggrade? Like for automatic upgrade or for less experienced users. |
| 19:59.24 | xingu | \amethyst: skew is the absolute desired difference in phase; slew is the moment required to achieve it |
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| 20:04.16 | \amethyst | xingu: thanks for clearing that up |
| 20:04.48 | catsup | gomiam: apt-cache show shows it |
| 20:04.55 | catsup | oh, oops |
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| 20:05.24 | gomiam | catsup: unfortunately, apt-cache show linux32 says nothing about conflicts |
| 20:05.40 | catsup | ya, that's why i said: why should it remove initrd-tools? |
| 20:05.45 | abrotman | Reilithion: dmesg might help .. depends on the type of modem |
| 20:06.13 | gomiam | catsup: I have no idea. |
| 20:06.14 | Reilithion | abrotman: Thought about that. dmesg | grep modem is blank. |
| 20:06.14 | abrotman | lukas: that should already happen |
| 20:06.19 | catsup | it has no conflicts. look otoh at apt-cache show libc6|grep \^Conflicts |
| 20:06.22 | dutchfish | is there an equivalent for the rsyncproxy (like syncproxy.eu.debian.org) for normal ftp repos, that allow endusers? |
| 20:06.22 | abrotman | Reilithion: read the whole thing .. |
| 20:06.29 | Reilithion | oi |
| 20:06.34 | ktwilight_ | ok, who killed dpkg? |
| 20:06.39 | gomiam | catsup: checking... |
| 20:06.40 | abrotman | dutchfish: read the mirroring stuff at debian.org |
| 20:06.46 | abrotman | ktwilight_: radio |
| 20:06.48 | catsup | ktwilight_: rpm is suspect |
| 20:06.48 | jelly-home | ktwilight_: you did! |
| 20:06.52 | ktwilight_ | :( |
| 20:07.03 | dutchfish | abrotman, i did but it changed dramatically |
| 20:07.07 | abrotman | ktwilight_: try /msg aptitude foo |
| 20:07.19 | abrotman | dutchfish: the mirror? or the information? |
| 20:07.21 | jelly-home | ktwilight_: or &fact on the channel |
| 20:07.34 | Reilithion | abrotman: Hmm. Consists entirely of VFS: busy inodes on changed media. |
| 20:07.48 | ktwilight_ | &fact mdadm |
| 20:07.57 | dutchfish | abrotman, the way the mirrors P - S - L are connected to syncproxy |
| 20:07.58 | abrotman | Reilithion: should be more than that |
| 20:07.59 | ktwilight_ | o.k. aptitude and &fact are ignoring me. |
| 20:08.06 | abrotman | &tell ktwilight_ about mdadm |
| 20:08.08 | wols | &ping |
| 20:08.08 | aptitude | pong |
| 20:08.13 | gomiam | catsup: libc6 has a conflict with initrd-tools (<<0.1.84.1), but none with util-linux |
| 20:08.13 | abrotman | &tell ktwilight_ about foo |
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| 20:08.15 | abrotman | stupid bot |
| 20:08.19 | Reilithion | abrotman: That's all I get from just dmesg | less. Is there a way to go further back? |
| 20:08.30 | abrotman | Reilithion: it starts at the top |
| 20:08.30 | ktwilight_ | hm, it tells me about foo, but not mdadm |
| 20:08.39 | abrotman | Reilithion: is it a PCI modem? serial? ISA? |
| 20:09.03 | catsup | gomiam: that should just upgrade initrd-tools, or at least replace it with yaird or some alternative |
| 20:09.14 | Reilithion | PCI, I believe |
| 20:09.17 | wols | abrotman: do you know how ubuntu names its modem? |
| 20:09.24 | dutchfish | abrotman, in english, my nearest (leaf) mirrors are 24 or more hours behind, this wasnt the case before last week |
| 20:09.31 | abrotman | wols: /dev/HAHA |
| 20:09.34 | catsup | gomiam: (it's only a conflict with the older versions) |
| 20:09.48 | wols | abrotman: that's what you currently are doing. trying to find a ubuntu modem |
| 20:09.50 | danilom | default admin and password, after aptitude install phpbb2 on debian?????? |
| 20:10.00 | abrotman | dutchfish: i'd imagine that's a differing thing from time to time |
| 20:10.07 | abrotman | Reilithion: is this ubuntu or debian? |
| 20:10.16 | Reilithion | ubuntu admittedly. |
| 20:10.21 | abrotman | danilom: /usr/share/doc/phpbb2/ ? |
| 20:10.21 | xand | #ubuntu |
| 20:10.23 | catsup | is this #ubuntu or #debian? |
| 20:10.27 | abrotman | Reilithion: go to #ubuntu .. please don't do that again |
| 20:10.43 | lukas | abrotman: I would like to tell aptitude not to ask for overwriting as the user that does the update should not decide if update eg. firewall config |
| 20:10.53 | lukas | abrotman: is that possible? |
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| 20:10.56 | wols | catsup: please help me upgrade to hardy |
| 20:11.00 | abrotman | lukas: if it's truly a conffile .. it should already do that |
| 20:11.09 | dutchfish | abrotman, yes, would be nice to have some thing that checks mirror fitness from a pool, so apt can take the fittest and nearest mirror automagically |
| 20:11.09 | jelly-home | wols: ask laurel. |
| 20:11.15 | xand | high can have help with installing gentoo ? |
| 20:11.20 | abrotman | dutchfish: it's already there |
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| 20:11.32 | wols | xand: I help your with gentoo if you help me with hardy |
| 20:11.39 | xand | mmkay |
| 20:11.43 | abrotman | dutchfish: http://mirror.debian.org/status.html |
| 20:11.51 | Reilithion | abrotman: do what again? |
| 20:11.56 | dutchfish | abrotman, ftp.nl.debian.org always returns the same mirror, even if its down |
| 20:11.57 | lukas | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:12.07 | abrotman | Reilithion: ask here about ubuntu issues |
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| 20:12.21 | abrotman | lukas: it asked you .. you let it .. that's what is supposed to happen |
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| 20:12.40 | abrotman | dutchfish: also http://www.de.debian.org/dmc/today/ |
| 20:12.43 | jelly-home | lukas: don't let users update the machines, let the admin do it. |
| 20:13.05 | wols | jelly-home: anyone who can update a machine is the admin pre definition |
| 20:13.19 | wols | not as if aptitude worked for normal users |
| 20:13.26 | dutchfish | abrotman, of coarse, but thx anyway |
| 20:13.39 | jelly-home | wols: well the ui works up to a point ;-) |
| 20:13.58 | lukas | abrotman: I know, but I would like some not to be asked a not overwrite, is that possible (I know it is stragne for servers, but useful for those that learn how to administer their computer and it helps if they get used for doing updates and install software) |
| 20:14.16 | catsup | lukas: you probably want to force the non-interactive interface |
| 20:14.34 | Reilithion | I can understand that it would annoy and frustrate when people ignorantly assume there is no difference between the two distributions and ask their questions here expecting specific solutions. I however am not ignorant of the differences between the distributions, and am just trying to get helpful clues and hints along my own path to my own resolution. |
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| 20:15.01 | lukas | catsup: well I would like to set it up in the non-interactive phase of instalation |
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| 20:15.16 | DustyBin | is there a 'offical place' to store Maildirs on a unix system? |
| 20:15.26 | simonrvn | ~/ |
| 20:15.27 | apt | ~/ is your home dir silly!, or root, of all Unix |
| 20:15.29 | Reilithion | The questions I'm asking, I believe, are fairly distribution-neutral and I could easily be asking in #gentoo or perhaps just #linux. I came here because I have found #debian very helpful in the past, and you in particular abrotman. |
| 20:15.38 | DustyBin | aye ok :D |
| 20:15.52 | catsup | DustyBin: ${MAIL%/*} |
| 20:16.18 | DustyBin | catsup: get that regex rubbish away from me :P |
| 20:16.21 | lukas | abrotman: jelly-home catsup I see that IS unusual, on normal box, but for beginner user it would be very useful for not hitting firewall |
| 20:16.21 | catsup | (/var/mail) |
| 20:16.24 | catsup | that's not a regex |
| 20:16.28 | DustyBin | o_0 |
| 20:16.52 | wols | lukas: there areno firewalls on debian by default so a beginner wouldn't have one |
| 20:16.57 | abrotman | lukas: but it asks you if you want to overwrite it |
| 20:17.04 | catsup | probably should have said dirname $MAIL |
| 20:17.24 | jelly-home | lukas: don't let the "beginner user" to upgrades |
| 20:17.33 | _|Nix|_ | I'm making some headway with reprepro, but I need some help: I have a set of packages and sources that I build for multiple distributions. In each distribution all the packages have the same version as in each of the other distributions, but they may be compiled slightly differently. |
| 20:17.34 | wols | lukas: a firewall on debian always has to be explictly installed and even manually configured |
| 20:17.44 | catsup | lukas: I don't understand what you mean by 'well I would like to set it up in the non-interactive phase of instalation |
| 20:17.48 | _|Nix|_ | However, the source packages in all distributions are identical. |
| 20:18.09 | dutchfish | abrotman, any idee of the bandwidth involved if i would setup another public mirror myself? |
| 20:18.27 | lukas | abrotman: yes, it is completely correct behaviour, I just thought it could be possible eg for automatic upgrades in aptitude if not never mind ... |
| 20:18.30 | abrotman | dutchfish: for everyone to use? |
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| 20:18.44 | _|Nix|_ | So, for each source package I have 3 .changes files. One for each distribution. Now, when I try adding the 3 distributions to reprepro, the source packages clash. |
| 20:18.45 | abrotman | dutchfish: and do you mean to setup the mirror or for other people to use? |
| 20:18.48 | _|Nix|_ | How do I get around that? |
| 20:18.54 | dutchfish | abrotman, basically yes, but ment for the ntherlands |
| 20:18.56 | lukas | jelly-home: it is his own computer so I just keep eye on it if something goes wrong |
| 20:19.06 | abrotman | dutchfish: i'd imagine quite a bit |
| 20:19.08 | gomiam | catsup: it seems my initrd-tools is already up to date. I'm confused |
| 20:19.22 | catsup | gomiam: apt is saying there is a conflict?? |
| 20:19.32 | dutchfish | abrotman, are there any stats on this subject? so i would know if i can afford this? |
| 20:19.32 | lukas | wols: ok, I am not very good with iptables directly, but maybe it is good idea... |
| 20:19.43 | catsup | lukas: if you want ordinary users to be able to upgrade, then have a script that forces the use of the non-interactive interface and give them access to it with sudo |
| 20:19.58 | gomiam | catsup: yes, it complains specifically about needing to remove util-linux |
| 20:20.00 | lukas | catsup: after downloading in curses and switching to text output |
| 20:20.06 | abrotman | dutchfish: you could ask the debian-mirrors mailing list |
| 20:20.09 | gomiam | but I can't guess why |
| 20:20.23 | abrotman | dutchfish: or ask #debian-mirrors on OFTC |
| 20:20.24 | dutchfish | abrotman, yes, goo didee |
| 20:20.32 | ^Timo^ | wols : i got the results of my smartctl long test :) its at http://pastebin.ca/810269 |
| 20:20.40 | lukas | catsup: non-iteractive means no ncurses or something else? |
| 20:20.55 | catsup | non-interactive means it doesn't ask questions, it sends an email |
| 20:21.14 | dutchfish | abrotman, thx again, i will delve into it, not so many mirrors here in the netherlands, so that could not hurt |
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| 20:22.09 | ^Timo^ | wols : do you see anything unwanted ? i can't seem to see whats wrong with it |
| 20:22.20 | abrotman | dutchfish: perhaps .. but i'd imagine you need some pretty high bandwidth to do it |
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| 20:22.46 | catsup | lukas: (see 'noninteractive' in debconf(7)) |
| 20:22.59 | lukas | catsup: oh, that would be better, I will see |
| 20:23.05 | ^Timo^ | Hi dutchfish :) jij ook van holland xD |
| 20:23.10 | ^Timo^ | ^^ |
| 20:23.28 | dutchfish | abrotman, i run a privat mirror already, so i have some idee of whats involved in here, but want to know a bit more about the bandwidth, (wild gues: 2 - 5 TB / month)? |
| 20:23.35 | jelly-home | time sync: sync 0.00s user 0.89s system 0% cpu 3:21.58 total |
| 20:23.42 | wols | ^Timo^: smart seems to see it fine. maybe you can update kernels but it would be mostly luck if it helped. one thing that could be is that something is trying to read a sector beyond the end of the disk for some reason maybe |
| 20:23.47 | gomiam | catsup: now, this is funny. There is no information about the linux32 package at /var/lib/dpk/info |
| 20:23.48 | abrotman | dutchfish: i don't mean aggregate .. i mean Mbps |
| 20:23.53 | gomiam | afaik it should be there |
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| 20:24.11 | catsup | gomiam: no, that is added when you install a package |
| 20:24.13 | dutchfish | abrotman, i have 2 x 1Gb uplinks and fallback |
| 20:24.37 | abrotman | dutchfish: and you don't pay per MB? |
| 20:24.41 | dutchfish | abrotman, but i need to throtle a bit for the other services |
| 20:24.51 | gomiam | catsup: oh. When I apt-cache search linux32, it shows linux32 and util-linux |
| 20:25.07 | dutchfish | abrotman, 95 percentile, flat |
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| 20:25.52 | abrotman | dutchfish: from waht i see .. there are six .nl mirrors |
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| 20:26.28 | gomiam | catsup: it would seem util-linux includes /usr/bin/linux32 |
| 20:26.35 | dutchfish | abrotman, yes |
| 20:26.42 | abrotman | that's a fair amount |
| 20:26.42 | drasko | hi all. I want to compile GDB with specified --target option. Does anybody know where I can check which are existing targets? |
| 20:26.52 | abrotman | isn't there only like .. six people living in .nl ? :) |
| 20:27.01 | ^Timo^ | wols : hmm hmm.. could some kernel mod help ? i don't think there are other kernels etch>> that i can try |
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| 20:27.30 | wols | Tiffon: there are backports |
| 20:27.38 | dutchfish | abrotman, lol, its crowded on this small "almost" island |
| 20:28.07 | Tiffon | umm |
| 20:28.12 | Tiffon | ;) |
| 20:28.17 | abrotman | dutchfish: i wonder if they'd let you do a roundrobin with ftp.nl.debian.org .. but i'm not sure what's required for that |
| 20:28.22 | catsup | gomiam: can you paste somewhere (not here) output of apt-cache show linux32 util-linux; sudo apt-get install -V --trivial-only linux32 util-linux; ? |
| 20:28.27 | ^Timo^ | wols : would you recommend those ? |
| 20:28.41 | gomiam | ok, just a sec. I'll dump it on #flood |
| 20:28.46 | dutchfish | abrotman, not much, its only a dns issue (flip a switch so to speak) |
| 20:28.52 | wols | ^Timo^: backport usually can't hurt |
| 20:28.54 | catsup | the server wlil boot you, you can paste it here though: |
| 20:28.59 | abrotman | dutchfish: i meant admin requirements |
| 20:29.07 | catsup | http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Sandbox&action=edit |
| 20:29.14 | gomiam | ok, will do |
| 20:29.15 | abrotman | dutchfish: as in .. do you have to allow ftp-master accounts on the system, etc |
| 20:29.58 | abrotman | dutchfish: http://www.us.debian.org/mirrors/official |
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| 20:30.27 | dutchfish | abrotman, ok, as i said i will delve into it |
| 20:30.31 | abrotman | okay |
| 20:31.16 | ^Timo^ | wols : i found two package http://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=kernel&searchon=all§ion=all&suite=etch-backports don't know what the last one means, does? |
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| 20:32.47 | ^Timo^ | hmm hmm.. |
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| 20:32.59 | ^Timo^ | anyone knows what this does ? : Package linux-patch-aufs |
| 20:33.00 | ^Timo^ | etch-backports (misc): Kernel patches for aufs |
| 20:33.00 | ^Timo^ | 0+20070806-1~bpo40+1 [backports]: all |
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| 20:38.33 | Tenkawa | Any of you using the zd1211 module |
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| 20:40.21 | james__ | hello everybody, is there any way to install http://packages.debian.org/sid/freeciv-client-sdl 2.1.1-1 without upgrading from stable to unstable and without bypassing aptitude please ? |
| 20:41.07 | gomiam | catsup: argh, it's no use. That sandbox is update every few seconds. There is some website that allows you to paste text, but I can't remember its name |
| 20:41.28 | catsup | gomiam: oh, well paste.org, but anyway, just add it to the sandbox and send me a link to the version |
| 20:41.34 | catsup | or i'll just look in the history, heh |
| 20:41.48 | ^Timo^ | hmm hmm. i got a problem with adding backports to sources.list : W: GPG error: http://www.backports.org etch-backports Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY EA8E8B2116BA136C |
| 20:41.48 | ^Timo^ | W: You may want to run apt-get update to correct these problems |
| 20:42.05 | ^Timo^ | anyone knows how to fix? |
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| 20:42.32 | gomiam | http://cut.and.paste.org/index.php?id=1703 |
| 20:42.38 | gomiam | retrying the sandbox |
| 20:43.13 | catsup | gomiam: your original one is here: http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Sandbox&oldid=176844327 |
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| 20:43.42 | catsup | gomiam: um, did you apt-get update? |
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| 20:43.50 | abrotman | !tell james__ about simple sid backport |
| 20:43.53 | dutchfish | ^Timo^, http://www.backports.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=instructions |
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| 20:44.07 | yassine | good evening everyone |
| 20:44.10 | yassine | how can execute/start a program to run on an other tty while im connected per remote ssh ? |
| 20:44.12 | ^Timo^ | thanks dutchfish :0 |
| 20:44.13 | ^Timo^ | :) |
| 20:44.28 | dutchfish | yw |
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| 20:45.05 | gomiam | catsup: yes, I apt-get update'd and upgrade'd too. |
| 20:45.42 | james__ | thanks abrotman |
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| 20:46.28 | gomiam | catsup: http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Sandbox&oldid=176845658 is my version |
| 20:46.45 | catsup | gomiam: well apparently linux32 will not run with your libc6 |
| 20:46.54 | gomiam | :-/ |
| 20:46.56 | gomiam | ouch |
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| 20:47.12 | mbroeker | How can i use this: sed "s/;[\t ]+$/;/" main.cpp to delete all tabs and spaces at the end of a source file ? |
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| 20:47.39 | mbroeker | the above wont work as expected and i dont know why... |
| 20:47.39 | wols | ^Timo^: better search for "linux-image" if you want kernels |
| 20:48.25 | catsup | gomiam: erm, this maks no sense, util-linux has no libc6 deps at all |
| 20:48.33 | gomiam | I know, I know |
| 20:48.37 | catsup | oh wait |
| 20:48.38 | catsup | Conflicts: schedutils, setterm, fdisk, kbd (<< 1.05-3), console-tools (<< 1:0.2. |
| 20:48.39 | catsup | 3-21), linux32 |
| 20:48.42 | catsup | it's specifically listed |
| 20:48.43 | catsup | heh |
| 20:48.58 | gomiam | ow |
| 20:49.08 | catsup | does util-linux include linux32? |
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| 20:49.16 | catsup | has linux32 been moved into util-linux? |
| 20:49.24 | gomiam | yes |
| 20:49.26 | gomiam | it looks like it |
| 20:49.34 | gomiam | anyway, it seems I don't really need linux32 installed |
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| 20:50.06 | gomiam | since it's available through util-linux |
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| 20:50.08 | catsup | heh |
| 20:50.30 | catsup | if that's the same linux32, then util-linux should be tagged Replaces: |
| 20:50.34 | catsup | not Conflicts: |
| 20:50.34 | bucky | mbroeker, i thing you need a g at the end of the last slash |
| 20:51.05 | abrotman | bucky: PONG! |
| 20:51.32 | gomiam | ok, I'm still unable to make Flash work with iceweasel |
| 20:52.01 | gomiam | and the laptop's keyboard is acting up |
| 20:52.09 | gomiam | I guess I'll try again tomorrow |
| 20:52.37 | gomiam | thanks for everything |
| 20:52.40 | gomiam | bye |
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| 20:53.50 | mbroeker | bucky, sed "s/;.*$/;/" main.cpp that works now... |
| 20:54.17 | bucky | nice |
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| 20:54.52 | abrotman | bucky: you pinged me last night? |
| 20:55.22 | bucky | abrotman, i just wondered where you were |
| 20:55.27 | dv____ | is it possible to see a more verbose output in the debian installer? |
| 20:55.30 | abrotman | bucky: oh .. at a b-day party :) |
| 20:55.38 | abrotman | dv____: there's a debug console |
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| 20:55.43 | dv____ | for unknown reasons it is stuck at "preparing libc6" |
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| 20:56.23 | dv____ | abrotman, where? |
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| 20:56.32 | dv____ | I only know of the tty ones |
| 20:56.35 | abrotman | uh .. ctrl-alt-f3 i think |
| 20:56.41 | catsup | that's not why it doesn't work |
| 20:56.43 | dv____ | and these are useless for this |
| 20:56.47 | catsup | need to escape the + |
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| 20:57.11 | dv____ | ctrl-alt-f3 gives me a tty |
| 20:57.28 | dv____ | I can do nothing with this console, I need to know what the installer is doing |
| 20:58.01 | catsup | why bother matching the ; btw? wouldn't you want to remove trailing whitespace everyehwere? |
| 20:58.21 | catsup | dv____: ps |
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| 20:58.33 | catsup | dv____: there's a log on the last consonle, btw |
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| 20:58.45 | catsup | alt-f1 alt-<left arrow> |
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| 20:59.23 | catsup | the log gives you the verbose info you want, but probably just use ps, kill the offending process, and the installation will step back and let you try again |
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| 21:02.05 | Venom | helloooo |
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| 21:03.42 | Venom | who here has compiz experience |
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| 21:04.20 | lukas | Hi, I have perhaps very silly question, is there some way how to find out why machine based on Asus P5K hangs? (densors not in kernel) |
| 21:04.39 | abrotman | hangs when? doing what? |
| 21:04.40 | Dabian | Is xdvi broken in Debian as well as in ubuntu? |
| 21:04.42 | lukas | s/densors/sensors/ |
| 21:04.49 | mike | debian download links appear not to work? |
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| 21:05.04 | terver | hi, i have installed Pidgin and Openoffice but i can't see those icons in gnome main menu? i have tried install openoffice-gnome, but anyway in menu i see small square with red cross indicating that there are no icons for OOo =( |
| 21:05.11 | terver | any idea how to get them? |
| 21:05.21 | abrotman | mike: ? |
| 21:05.23 | lukas | I mean hangs in different times, not only if loaded |
| 21:05.34 | abrotman | terver: update-menus |
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| 21:06.06 | Dabian | How do I check the buglist in debian? |
| 21:06.11 | mike | abrotman, I am looking to download lenny iso but cannot find a working mirror |
| 21:06.13 | Dabian | querybts or something? |
| 21:06.17 | Venom | simon are you still there? :P |
| 21:06.21 | terver | abrotman, there is no such command, neither such package, what is that? |
| 21:06.24 | mbroeker | bucky, sed "s/;.*$/;/" main.cpp that works not... |
| 21:06.24 | abrotman | !d-i mike |
| 21:06.32 | abrotman | mike: debian.org/devel/debian-installer |
| 21:06.35 | catsup | mbroeker: that's not what you want |
| 21:06.43 | abrotman | terver: it's a command |
| 21:06.46 | catsup | mbroeker: sed "s/[ \t]*$//' is what you want |
| 21:06.59 | terver | zsh: command not found: update-menus |
| 21:07.04 | catsup | mbroeker: or better yet, perl -pe 's/\s+$//' |
| 21:07.09 | terver | what package i have to install to get it/ |
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| 21:07.28 | abrotman | terver: menu and menu-xdg |
| 21:08.06 | mbroeker | catsup, yes thats it!!!! |
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| 21:08.38 | terver | abrotman, thanks, will install them. although when i installed Wireshark i get icon instantly. strnage. |
| 21:08.57 | mike | abrotman, i386 does not work? |
| 21:09.04 | abrotman | mike: the netinst is there |
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| 21:09.23 | terver | nope, still no icons for OOo and Pidgin :( |
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| 21:09.26 | mike | abrotman, yes no go |
| 21:09.33 | mike | etch is fine |
| 21:09.52 | abrotman | mike: the netinst is there .. what are you looking for? |
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| 21:10.05 | abrotman | http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/daily-builds/daily/arch-latest/i386/iso-cd/ |
| 21:10.11 | mike | abrotman, The link does not work |
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| 21:10.16 | abrotman | yes it does |
| 21:10.23 | mike | hmm |
| 21:10.24 | terver | works for me |
| 21:10.27 | aleksanteri | works for me |
| 21:10.31 | mike | ok my isp maybe |
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| 21:10.39 | abrotman | your isp blocks weird stuff :) |
| 21:11.04 | aleksanteri | the isp has a deal with MS. |
| 21:11.09 | Venom | anyone here have experience setting up compiz... |
| 21:11.17 | aleksanteri | Venom, #compiz |
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| 21:11.35 | Venom | I guess I'll check that place out :P |
| 21:11.53 | abrotman | &compiz |
| 21:11.54 | aptitude | somebody said compiz was a window and composite manager that uses OpenGL for rendering. It runs on <Xgl> and <AIGLX>. It is now in Debian and can run when AIGLX and composite are enabled for your X server. Read http://wiki.debian.org/Compiz for configuration and usage details. Current state of Compiz (et al) in unstable can be found at http://wiki.debian.org/XStrikeForce/Compiz |
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| 21:13.50 | Venom | ok, different question for now... |
| 21:14.10 | Venom | debian won't let me browse my windows NTFS partition... |
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| 21:14.19 | Venom | it worked fine when I had ubuntu 7.10 |
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| 21:14.29 | b0ha | hello |
| 21:14.31 | Venom | any suggestions on how to approach this? |
| 21:14.44 | b0ha | i connected to my computer from putty |
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| 21:15.02 | b0ha | how do i copy file to my computer here |
| 21:15.09 | abrotman | from windows? |
| 21:15.09 | b0ha | from the other one at home |
| 21:15.13 | Venom | libhal-storage.c 1401 : info: called libhal_free_dbus_error but dbuserror was not set. process 21138: applications must not close shared connections - see dbus_connection_close() docs. this is a bug in the application. error: device /dev/hda1 is not removable error: could not execute pmount |
| 21:15.28 | b0ha | abrotman here i have windows, at home linux |
| 21:15.34 | abrotman | putty is on windows? |
| 21:15.40 | b0ha | yes |
| 21:15.45 | abrotman | &filezilla |
| 21:15.46 | aptitude | filezilla is probably A powerful FTP-client(and SFTP) for Windows 9x, ME, NT4, 2000 and XP. It has been designed for ease of use and with support for as many features as possible, while still being fast and reliable. Located at http://filezilla.sf.net/ |
| 21:16.21 | b0ha | hmm so i have to install filezilla at computer at home |
| 21:16.24 | catsup | pscp is an alternative |
| 21:16.30 | catsup | putty scp |
| 21:16.50 | catsup | no, you wouldn't need filezilla at home |
| 21:17.02 | abrotman | b0ha: it's a GUI file transfer .. use it on the windows machine to connect to the linux box |
| 21:17.28 | terver | is there any way to install original mozilla firefox on debian using apt? |
| 21:17.29 | _|Nix|_ | When I build my packages from source, the resulting .changes file does not contain a "Distributions:" entry. How do I fix that? |
| 21:18.08 | b0ha | thank you abrotman & catsup |
| 21:18.17 | lukas | ok, I take it as no idea |
| 21:18.40 | Venom | don't like iceweasel terver? |
| 21:18.52 | abrotman | terver: iceweasel basically is firefox |
| 21:19.07 | terver | yes, i don't like iceweasel :) |
| 21:19.16 | abrotman | it's firefox |
| 21:19.22 | abrotman | so you don't like firefox? |
| 21:19.48 | catsup | you don't like the iceweasel logos? |
| 21:19.50 | Venom | can anyone help me with my NTFS mount problem |
| 21:19.51 | terver | no. i dislike iceweasel because it crashes a lot, and i hope original firefox won't |
| 21:19.57 | abrotman | so does firefox |
| 21:20.02 | catsup | terver: the only difference is the logos |
| 21:20.03 | terver | for example any page from debian-administration.org will crash it |
| 21:20.05 | abrotman | and flash makes it worse |
| 21:20.17 | catsup | odd, it never crashes for me |
| 21:20.27 | terver | amd64? |
| 21:20.30 | catsup | it does leak memory |
| 21:20.32 | catsup | no |
| 21:20.35 | ph6 | best browser |
| 21:20.51 | terver | maybe it's arch issue |
| 21:20.55 | abrotman | you could also try epiphany .. same rendering engine |
| 21:21.16 | catsup | the rendering engine is probably the problem |
| 21:21.24 | abrotman | or the plugins he's using |
| 21:21.37 | terver | anyway, as i read iceweasel not just about logo, they removed update code for example, add something to make it compile on another archs |
| 21:21.55 | terver | so, it's not only about :%s/Firefox/Iceweasel + remove *.png files.. |
| 21:22.18 | abrotman | terver: if you can isolate it .. you can file a bug |
| 21:22.55 | b0ha | hmm i cant connect to server with filezilla |
| 21:23.02 | ph6 | enter about:config |
| 21:23.07 | catsup | terver: you can't use the update code with apt |
| 21:23.15 | abrotman | b0ha: double check your protocol |
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| 21:23.51 | terver | catsup, i understand, it was just example for statement that Iceweasel not only about the logo.. |
| 21:24.01 | catsup | well, ya, it is |
| 21:24.12 | abrotman | no .. not really |
| 21:24.14 | catsup | i mean, you're talking about the diff. between the debian version of firefox |
| 21:24.20 | catsup | and the upstream |
| 21:24.24 | terver | hm, intresting, even iceweasel -safe-mode crashes on debian-administration.org, probably will file the PR tomorrow. |
| 21:24.31 | terver | yes |
| 21:24.39 | abrotman | &why iceweasel |
| 21:24.40 | aptitude | Why iceweasel? Debian cannot comply with the conditions necessary to distribute firefox and call it firefox, so we have changed the name to iceweasel. See http://bugs.debian.org/354622 or http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Naming_conflict_between_Debian_and_Mozilla for more information. |
| 21:25.14 | terver | abrotman, http://web.glandium.org/blog/?p=97 |
| 21:25.39 | catsup | well, anyway, those changes are very unlikely to be what is resulting in your crashes, but you might be able to make the debs using the unpatched upstream source |
| 21:25.49 | terver | Changes to allow builds against GTK 2.8, |
| 21:26.02 | terver | it's one from the list of debian changes |
| 21:26.18 | Dabian | abrotman: But ubuntu ships with firefox? |
| 21:26.20 | abrotman | terver: i didn't say it was just logos |
| 21:26.26 | abrotman | Dabian: NFC .. ask #ubuntu |
| 21:26.33 | aleksanteri | Dabian, that's because ubuntu can comply, debian can't |
| 21:26.35 | Dabian | &NFC |
| 21:26.35 | aptitude | [nfc] No Fucking Clue. National Football Conference |
| 21:26.45 | chomwitt | hi from Trikala-Greece. I am new to the channel. I'am teacher, i love debian , and i run lenny on FujitsuSiemens AmiloProV3205 - Intel Core 2 Duo T5500. |
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| 21:27.06 | abrotman | terver: reading the list of changes makes me think they're mostly bug fixes |
| 21:27.11 | terver | Debian is very aggressive for having its code "free" |
| 21:27.15 | olspookishmagus | Q: how do I restart gnome daemon from command-line? |
| 21:27.16 | terver | ubuntu don't |
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| 21:27.37 | olspookishmagus | Q: which file do I have to edit to set the default runlevel? |
| 21:27.41 | Dabian | terver: Both have free and non-free (restricted for ubuntu) |
| 21:27.48 | catsup | olspookishmagus: /etc/inittab |
| 21:27.54 | abrotman | &dfsg |
| 21:27.54 | olspookishmagus | Q: do you think the moon will ever be inhabitted? |
| 21:27.54 | aptitude | it has been said that dfsg is the Debian Free Software Guidelines, which can be found at http://www.debian.org/intro/free, or http://www.debian.org/social_contract#guidelines |
| 21:27.57 | terver | abrotman, yes, of course, but you understand that with fixing a bug you can introduce one :\ |
| 21:28.08 | olspookishmagus | catsup: thanks |
| 21:28.09 | catsup | olspookishmagus: no |
| 21:28.09 | abrotman | olspookishmagus: /etc/init.d/gdm restart |
| 21:28.20 | olspookishmagus | abrotman: thanks to you to |
| 21:28.20 | Dabian | terver: Lemme introduce you to a bug ... :-P |
| 21:28.31 | terver | :) |
| 21:28.32 | abrotman | terver: sure .. but firefox is buggy as hell .. even the vanilla stuff |
| 21:28.33 | catsup | hm |
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| 21:28.53 | abrotman | i doubt he wants to change the runlevel .. butwhatever |
| 21:29.11 | terver | anyway, i don't get it, why do debian don't keep mozilla's original firefox in repos? in non-free for example. |
| 21:29.13 | bucky | olspookishmagus only runs in runlevel 2 |
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| 21:29.24 | Dabian | abrotman: Its not meant for production environment, I guess. Its meant for desktop users. :) |
| 21:29.36 | catsup | terver: why would they? it's pointless |
| 21:29.37 | abrotman | FWIW .. epiphany seems more stable |
| 21:29.46 | abrotman | terver: because they can't |
| 21:29.48 | terver | catsup, because they already have forked it? |
| 21:29.59 | faelnor | hi ! i just set up a basic debian net install, and I want to plug in an USB wireless dongle. It has a zydas chipset which is very well supported by zd1211rw, which in turn is present in the 2.6.18 kernel. I can insert the module without any problems, however when i plug the dongle, nothing except the usual "usb hispeed registered" appears |
| 21:29.59 | catsup | terver: debian has forked *everything* |
| 21:30.06 | faelnor | of course i would like it to try to load the firmware... but it doesn't happen so i'm a bit at loss |
| 21:30.09 | catsup | everything in debian is a fork, in that a patch is applied to the upstream version |
| 21:30.14 | faelnor | (i tested it in ubuntu 7.10 live, the driver is loaded and works) |
| 21:30.21 | faelnor | is there something i forgot to do ? |
| 21:30.35 | terver | abrotman, they can't change the code and call it FF, yes, so it's impossible to compile FF for debian without patching?.. |
| 21:30.35 | catsup | (that's not really a fork, because a fork doesn't update from newer releases) |
| 21:31.00 | abrotman | terver: no .. there's more to it |
| 21:31.02 | catsup | they could include it in non-free |
| 21:31.08 | abrotman | no .. they can't |
| 21:31.11 | catsup | no? |
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| 21:31.26 | simonrvn | no |
| 21:31.30 | terver | as i understand you can't distribute binary of changed FF and call it FF |
| 21:31.36 | Dabian | Simon says no .. but why? |
| 21:31.45 | abrotman | &why iceweasel |
| 21:31.45 | catsup | well even if they could, there'd be no point |
| 21:31.46 | aptitude | Why iceweasel? Debian cannot comply with the conditions necessary to distribute firefox and call it firefox, so we have changed the name to iceweasel. See http://bugs.debian.org/354622 or http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Naming_conflict_between_Debian_and_Mozilla for more information. |
| 21:32.23 | Dabian | SImon: YOu can do it with Java, then why not with firefox? |
| 21:32.37 | terver | anyway, Debian is still the best :) |
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| 21:33.05 | Dabian | SImonrvn: You can do it with Java, then why not with firefox? |
| 21:33.09 | simonrvn | rb has that factoid now |
| 21:33.11 | terver | i have installed it yesterday, and it has the most useful installer of all linuxes i have seen |
| 21:33.24 | simonrvn | Dabian: different reasons |
| 21:33.25 | catsup | eh |
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| 21:33.41 | catsup | i'd say debian's installer has some major shortcomings |
| 21:33.53 | catsup | i don't know about the alternatives though, maybe they're even worse |
| 21:33.54 | Dabian | catsup: Whats better? |
| 21:34.00 | Dabian | ;) |
| 21:34.03 | stew | maddie: versions libc6 |
| 21:34.03 | maddie | stew: libc6 versions on i386: sid: 2.7-3 lenny: 2.7-3 etch: 2.3.6.ds1-13etch2 sarge: 2.3.2.ds1-22sarge6 |
| 21:34.05 | terver | it reminded me sysinstall from freebsd |
| 21:34.07 | stew | :) |
| 21:34.10 | simonrvn | catsup: the others are worse |
| 21:34.10 | terver | which is perfect :) |
| 21:34.17 | catsup | Dabian: that's really no excuse in my eyes... |
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| 21:35.42 | catsup | besides, i'm sure there are installers without the problems debian's has--although they may have the problem of installing the wrong system |
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| 21:36.03 | Dabian | catsup: Which might turn out to be worse. |
| 21:36.24 | catsup | well it would certainly be silly to choose what system to use based on installer |
| 21:36.25 | simonrvn | eh, dunno, d-i's pretty good, considering what it has to do |
| 21:36.29 | eriberto_mota | Hi! I need to change an automake (or autoconf) to put some libs in a diferent directory. Can somebody help me? I can explain better. |
| 21:36.38 | simonrvn | yeh it has issues, but it can't do everything |
| 21:37.01 | catsup | the problem it seems to me is the modular framework |
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| 21:37.15 | simonrvn | that is *not* a problem |
| 21:37.24 | catsup | modularity is not a problem in itself |
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| 21:38.01 | simonrvn | that's what it seemed you just said however |
| 21:38.07 | catsup | but the way the modular system works makes it impossible to run tasks in the background, to ask all the questions upfront, it makes the user sit there and wait, answering each module one by one in turn |
| 21:38.36 | simonrvn | uh, you switch vt... |
| 21:38.40 | catsup | it's not modularity, but the sequential way the modules are put together |
| 21:38.46 | Venom | ah, simon is here....I'll get back to you in a bit, have a few smaller questions, busy with something now though |
| 21:38.49 | simonrvn | and it's an *installer* |
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| 21:39.13 | kitano | Having just installed Debian Etch 4.0r1 AMD64 via gtk net install the system keeps on crashing when gdm starts, on an ASUS k8v with Radeon 9800, can anyone help? |
| 21:39.43 | catsup | by run tasks in the background, i mean that the installer cannot perform its work in the background |
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| 21:40.32 | simonrvn | it does plenty in the background, look at vt4 sometime... |
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| 21:40.40 | catsup | kitano: you know how to disable gdm? |
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| 21:41.05 | simonrvn | i'd suggest you be quiet and learn more about it instead of putting out FUD "problems" with it |
| 21:41.18 | simonrvn | or explain yourself better |
| 21:41.22 | catsup | um |
| 21:41.25 | catsup | jeeze |
| 21:41.26 | mike | Catsup Install kdm |
| 21:41.46 | kitano | catsup: no, I haven't tried, unfortunately when I go into the rescue mode it won't mount my installed SATA disk as root so whenever I try and run (e.g. XKeepsCrashing) it won't so to speak |
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| 21:42.08 | kitano | mount as / rather |
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| 21:42.11 | catsup | simonrvn: I'm criticizing its architecture... |
| 21:42.16 | simonrvn | not trying to pick a fight with you, i just feel that you need more info |
| 21:42.22 | catsup | I don't need more info |
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| 21:42.31 | simonrvn | *shrug* |
| 21:42.56 | catsup | simonrvn: the framework as it is, for example, makes it impossible to ask the user how to partition drives while hardware is being detected |
| 21:43.21 | simonrvn | oh, you mean make it more preemptive |
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| 21:43.36 | simonrvn | or "multi-threaded" |
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| 21:43.47 | simonrvn | that's a good idea |
| 21:44.11 | terver | ok, now planet.debian.org crashing me too. seem firefox inside iceweasel take revenge |
| 21:44.22 | catsup | yeah--but the architecture doesn't allow that, it would have to be overhauled for that |
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| 21:44.58 | tom22 | hi all, I want to set up my private debian 4.0 server, so my kids have their own web url (http://localhost/~kid1). Where / in which config file of apache do I have to write the 'UseDir public_html'? |
| 21:45.06 | simonrvn | catsup: probably just rewrite some parts, and do more storage of d-i settings |
| 21:45.15 | catsup | kitano: rescue mode? you mean on the install cd? |
| 21:45.20 | tom22 | I use apache 2 |
| 21:45.31 | simonrvn | catsup: thing is, dialog is inflexible (AFAIK) |
| 21:45.48 | \amethyst | tom22: a2enmod userdir should be all you need |
| 21:46.00 | \amethyst | tom22: well, that and reload apache |
| 21:46.16 | catsup | simonrvn: the modules as it is all assume a sequential model-- |
| 21:46.23 | \amethyst | tom22: the relevant config bits are in /etc/apache2/mods-available/userdir.* |
| 21:47.05 | tom22 | \amethyst: I will check that, thank you |
| 21:47.25 | simonrvn | catsup: yeh. though i think that's why they developed the gtk2 one, to allow for more flexibility |
| 21:47.28 | kitano | catsup: yep |
| 21:47.29 | catsup | simonrvn: i think abandoning that model would be huge, because it does so much to simplify them, and make them independent of one another (which is really the objection: they should ideally be integrated) |
| 21:48.26 | simonrvn | the problem with making it less modular is that you can't add/remove parts without breaking it |
| 21:48.27 | catsup | kitano: you don't need that. just boot into single user mode, and disable gdm by renaming /etc/rc2.d/S??gdm |
| 21:48.38 | catsup | simonrvn: ya |
| 21:49.08 | catsup | simonrvn: i realize--the modularity makes it easier to code, especially for independent people |
| 21:49.09 | kitano | catsup: ah, I'll give that a go, thanks |
| 21:49.23 | catsup | kitano: sorry, I can't give you help with the X problem |
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| 21:52.43 | tom22 | \amethyst: userdir is working thank you |
| 21:52.51 | jelly | !seen debhelper |
| 21:53.25 | jelly | can someone up the user limit? I got --- Cannot join #debian (User limit reached). |
| 21:53.38 | abrotman | jelly: same host as dpkg |
| 21:53.54 | jelly | abrotman: that's why I'm asking "someone" and not dondelelcaro |
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| 21:54.16 | abrotman | or remove the limit :) |
| 21:54.55 | furrywolf | why does iceweasel depend on a specific version of myspell (why does it depend on a spell checker at all, for that matter?!), and how do I get it to install without it? :) |
| 21:54.55 | abrotman | afaik .. only staff or ops can do it |
| 21:55.02 | jelly | !ops please raise the user limit to a nice large number like 800 or disable it entirely until debhelper lives again |
| 21:55.07 | jelly | er.. |
| 21:55.10 | abrotman | hehe |
| 21:55.13 | jelly | was that dumb or what |
| 21:55.18 | jelly | &ops please raise the user limit to a nice large number like 800 or disable it entirely until debhelper lives again |
| 21:55.18 | aptitude | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: jelly complains about: please raise the user limit to a nice large number like 800 or disable it entirely until debhelper lives again |
| 21:55.31 | catsup | furrywolf: it's a bug if it depends on the spellchecker, it should just recommend, but anyway the reason is that text fields are spellchecked |
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| 21:56.27 | abrotman | Ganneff: thank you |
| 21:56.34 | *** mode/#debian [-o Ganneff] by Ganneff |
| 21:56.36 | furrywolf | catsup: "iceweasel: Depends: libmyspell3c2" ... but I have myspell held at an older version, and can not upgrade it. |
| 21:56.51 | furrywolf | a browser really shouldn't depend on having the very latest version of a spell checker! heh |
| 21:56.53 | bucky | i like squiggly red lines underneath every word i misspell |
| 21:57.35 | furrywolf | I like things to install and work, and will happily forego squiggly red lines for that. :P |
| 21:57.36 | bucky | use another browser |
| 21:58.10 | furrywolf | let's see... I can use Dillo, on ~50% of web sites... or I could drag in a few gigs of kde and/or gnome crap for something just as bloated as firefox... |
| 21:58.14 | catsup | furrywolf: I agree it shouldn't depend, you'd be justified to submit a bug |
| 21:58.26 | jelly | &info midori experimental |
| 21:58.30 | aptitude | midori: (Fast and lightweight web browser), section web, is optional. Version: 0.0.12-1 (experimental), Packaged size: 62 kB, Installed size: 228 kB |
| 21:58.35 | bucky | furrywolf, install IE in wine then you'll be happy |
| 21:58.41 | catsup | heh |
| 21:58.59 | furrywolf | bucky: IE is even worse than the aforementioned bloated crap. and for windows. and lots of other reasons why it's not an option. |
| 21:59.04 | jelly | that one uses webkit and gtk+ |
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| 21:59.21 | jelly | furrywolf: opera! |
| 21:59.48 | minus198 | How do I make a folder on my desktop that is connected via FTP to a server? |
| 21:59.55 | bucky | furrywolf, use equivs for the spell dep and happily install ice without spell check |
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| 22:00.08 | furrywolf | closed-source, and the recent versions aren't nearly as fast and nice as the older ones, going the same route as firefox by adding a bunch of worthless features rather than working on things you actually use... |
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| 22:00.33 | jelly | furrywolf: are you trying to solve a problem, or just whining? |
| 22:00.34 | furrywolf | bucky: have a url handy on how to do that? :) |
| 22:00.47 | bucky | furrywolf, www.google.com |
| 22:00.49 | furrywolf | jelly: yes, I'm trying to get firefox/iceweasel to install. |
| 22:01.35 | jelly | furrywolf: keep the current libmyspell libraries somewhere else, and LD_PRELOAD them for the broken apps that need them |
| 22:01.42 | jelly | then upgrade |
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| 22:02.13 | catsup | i'd be surprised if equivs worked |
| 22:02.16 | furrywolf | well, openoffice might be considered broken... |
| 22:02.31 | catsup | i mean--i'd be surprised if it said depends, and didn't really depend |
| 22:03.04 | bucky | furrywolf, so you complain about having to dl a 1M spell checker? |
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| 22:03.17 | bucky | that's bloat? |
| 22:03.39 | catsup | minus198: well i don't know anything about these fancy GUI things but curlftpfs can do it |
| 22:03.56 | minus198 | catsup, Ok.. I'll try it out |
| 22:04.03 | vkentucky | I'm looking to get a graphics card for my Linux box. I'll get it on ebay and only want to spend $60 or under. I've pretty much decided to go with ATI or Nvidia, but not sure which brand or which card to get. Any suggestions? |
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| 22:04.06 | furrywolf | bucky: openoffice 1.* has a no-newer-than dependency on myspell, apparantly... and firefox depends (for no useful reason) on a newer version of myspell. |
| 22:04.13 | streuner_ | hm |
| 22:04.22 | catsup | vkentucky: nvidia is evil |
| 22:04.36 | catsup | i don't know about ATI |
| 22:04.47 | \amethyst | nope, they're evil too |
| 22:04.52 | \amethyst | :P |
| 22:04.56 | vkentucky | catsup, I thought they were opening up their code...? |
| 22:05.01 | furrywolf | vkentucky: if you get an ati radeon 8500-9250, you'll have good driver support. if you get something newer, you'll have marginal driver support. if you get nvidia, you'll have an evil, buggy, closed-source, proprietary, non-free binary blob if you want any 3d. |
| 22:05.04 | catsup | vkentucky: then i'm out of date |
| 22:05.18 | jelly | furrywolf: which debian release are you running? |
| 22:05.27 | \amethyst | vkentucky: ATI is opening their specs, the code will have to be rewritten from scratch |
| 22:05.36 | vkentucky | furrywolf, thanks. Thaqt's the kind of info I'm looking for. |
| 22:05.40 | catsup | are there open 3d cards nowadays? |
| 22:05.51 | \amethyst | catsup: Intel, but AFAIK it's onboard only |
| 22:05.54 | furrywolf | jelly: stable |
| 22:06.23 | jelly | furrywolf: I don't see OOo 1.x in stable |
| 22:06.23 | \amethyst | and not as much of a monster supercomputer as the nvidia or ATI cards |
| 22:06.24 | wols | vkentucky: as vkentucky said, any R300 based ati cards have open drivers |
| 22:06.25 | LeGreffi3R | catsup> intels, 3DFX, |
| 22:06.33 | LeGreffi3R | some Radeon |
| 22:06.35 | catsup | probably better off without 3d support, anyway |
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| 22:06.40 | furrywolf | jelly: installed pre-current-stable. |
| 22:06.56 | jelly | furrywolf: in any case, it's not supported by the distro any more |
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| 22:07.13 | \amethyst | ferret: because you're missing a ] |
| 22:07.15 | MatBoy | !moo |
| 22:07.15 | \amethyst | doh |
| 22:07.19 | furrywolf | I've given up on oo 2... and every time I've went to report a bug on it, it had been already reported, with no attempt at fixing it. so I'm stuck with 1.* if I want openoffice. |
| 22:07.21 | \amethyst | wrong channel |
| 22:07.24 | MatBoy | mhh, I neede dthat line |
| 22:07.24 | vkentucky | I'll tell you what, I have an ATI Raedon 200 onboard chip right now, and around September I upgraded my debian distro and it's lousy now! |
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| 22:07.55 | MatBoy | is there no !moo anymore ? |
| 22:07.55 | catsup | furrywolf: try 'vi', virtually bug-free |
| 22:07.57 | wols | vkentucky: using ati instead of fglrx like before? |
| 22:07.59 | LeGreffi3R | vkentucky> closed or open driver? |
| 22:08.07 | wols | MatBoy: there is no dpkg right now |
| 22:08.12 | bucky | vkentucky, did you re build you graphics driver with the new kernel? |
| 22:08.14 | jelly | furrywolf: I'd suggested rebuilding (or using an upstream binary) and putting it in something like /opt/openoffice together with the libs it needs |
| 22:08.17 | MatBoy | wols, ok, thanks ! |
| 22:08.18 | furrywolf | installing oo.org 2 results in massively huge fonts (already reported bug), being unable to change the gui font (already reported bug), and constant crashes, generally less than 5 minutes maximum uptime (about a hundred possible bugs it could be)... |
| 22:08.20 | streuner | use ravenbird instead |
| 22:08.20 | MatBoy | I love that line |
| 22:08.26 | streuner | ravenbird, hi |
| 22:08.26 | ravenbird | Many greetings, streuner, most strange traveller, to this IRCdom of plenty. |
| 22:08.39 | catsup | who needs fonts anyway? |
| 22:08.40 | MatBoy | wols, for the first time he is not here |
| 22:08.42 | wols | ravenbird plenty of what? |
| 22:08.43 | streuner | wols: whats up with dondelelcaro? |
| 22:08.45 | ravenbird | wols: are you using Windows? |
| 22:08.56 | catsup | i mean, obviously you need at least one font, but more than 2 is really excessive. |
| 22:09.05 | wols | streuner: he and dpkg have some nookie. now we know who those "Botchicks" are |
| 22:09.06 | vkentucky | wols & LeGreffi3R, not sure... using whatevers in the repository, but I can't seem to get the ATI driver to work, just fglrx and it si slow. |
| 22:09.10 | furrywolf | catsup: when the gui font is so large you only see the top left corner of every box it tries opening, it's not usable. :P |
| 22:09.29 | bucky | furrywolf, running sid? |
| 22:09.35 | LeGreffi3R | vkentucky> just type "grep Driver /etc/X11/xorg.conf" |
| 22:09.41 | streuner | wols: talk no crap, iam serious... |
| 22:09.50 | furrywolf | bucky: whatever "stable" currently gets you. I would imagine it's not sid, unless they changed the plan of sid always being unstable. |
| 22:10.07 | wols | streuner: he had connection problems from uni recently. not the first time it happened lately |
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| 22:10.09 | jelly | furrywolf: ooo-kde is more tolerable |
| 22:10.16 | bucky | furrywolf, i never see all these problems |
| 22:10.17 | LeGreffi3R | vkentucky> in your terminal if this is "radeon" --> open, if "fglrx" --> closed |
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| 22:10.26 | catsup | furrywolf: why do you use openoffice anyway? |
| 22:10.42 | bucky | wols, did you see Russian Chatbot Passes Turing Test |
| 22:10.45 | furrywolf | the huge fonts bug, as I recall (been a bit since I looked it up), was oo 2 attempting to add some %^%$#^$#! "integrate with your desktop environment" crap, which fails badly if you have neither kde nor gnome, and some other set of circumstances I don't remember. |
| 22:10.53 | catsup | honestly, i really don't understand the need for these 'office suites' |
| 22:11.11 | furrywolf | catsup: let's see... word processing, spreadsheets, graphs, presentations,... what do you use it for? |
| 22:11.24 | catsup | furrywolf: right. that's exactly the stuff i don't understand the need for |
| 22:11.26 | jelly | furrywolf: right, but if you _have_ the right subset of (gnome | kde), it looks a-ok |
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| 22:11.56 | streuner | sussudio: ping |
| 22:12.00 | vkentucky | LeGreffi3R, it's fglrx |
| 22:12.05 | furrywolf | jelly: then maybe someone should file a bug that oo doesn't depend on (gnome|kde). I don't think this'd go over well. :) |
| 22:12.19 | catsup | it seems like it's all just silly vanity |
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| 22:12.42 | catsup | people spending all kinds of effort to make their stupid presentation look good in the hope that nobody wlil notice how little content it has |
| 22:12.54 | jelly | furrywolf: I don't really care, I needed to make it usable and use kde apps already, so I put up the -kde "intergration" |
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| 22:13.01 | vkentucky | LeGreffi3R, when I try to use "ATI" it always gives me an "out of range" error. |
| 22:13.02 | furrywolf | umm, you seem to be confusing having a presentation, with having a contentless presenation. |
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| 22:13.13 | streuner | gravity: any idea whats up with dondelelcaro? |
| 22:13.24 | catsup | well, any presentation *i'd* be interested in seeing would be well-served by ASCII |
| 22:13.27 | LeGreffi3R | vkentucky> then this is closed driver... |
| 22:13.30 | gravity | streuner: Huh? |
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| 22:13.42 | bucky | furrywolf, mistaken font information on hand-installed font <- that one |
| 22:13.46 | catsup | or, really, by no computer support at all |
| 22:13.47 | abrotman | streuner: network issues |
| 22:13.47 | LeGreffi3R | vkentucky> you have to build a new module that fit your kernel... |
| 22:13.48 | streuner | gravity: He and his bot arent here serveral hours |
| 22:13.56 | furrywolf | catsup: sadly, the business world doesn't like that answer, and if you show up to work without at least one item of clipart in a presentation, you're automatically fired. :) |
| 22:13.58 | gravity | My guess is abrotman is right |
| 22:14.03 | jelly | catsup: you're just lucky your information isn't required to be in any of the outputs formats provided by OOo |
| 22:14.06 | vkentucky | LeGreffi3R, where do I get the open driver? |
| 22:14.07 | gravity | I've got no idea |
| 22:14.08 | abrotman | streuner: it's been off/on all week i think |
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| 22:14.19 | streuner | fuck |
| 22:14.37 | wols | streuner: don't you believe me? |
| 22:14.37 | catsup | furrywolf: well, exactly |
| 22:14.42 | furrywolf | and, I need to deal with, among other things, .doc and .ppt... |
| 22:14.48 | abrotman | streuner: why? |
| 22:14.48 | catsup | furrywolf: the same people who insist that you tie a piece of silk around your neck |
| 22:14.55 | catsup | furrywolf: for exactly teh same reason |
| 22:14.55 | jelly | catsup: I _have to_ provide projects in .doc, some stats in excel, etc. |
| 22:14.56 | streuner | abrotman: nah, ive seen him the last days |
| 22:15.00 | furrywolf | because everyone else insists on using a certain proprietary office suite. |
| 22:15.07 | wols | streuner: notice the on/off |
| 22:15.08 | abrotman | streuner: yes .. it's intermittent |
| 22:15.10 | catsup | jelly: right |
| 22:15.11 | streuner | wols: thats not the question, the question is, maybe somebody knows more... |
| 22:15.19 | catsup | jelly: but isn't it silly? |
| 22:15.25 | abrotman | streuner: wait for him to appear (he has been on) and ask him |
| 22:16.01 | jelly | catsup: Silly and "not understanding the need" are not synonyms. |
| 22:16.04 | allix | kino does not seem to want to capture from firewire under lenny, there is no dev/raw1394 , i did give permission to /dev/fw2 so the user can use it, but kino expects old de/raw1394 |
| 22:16.23 | catsup | jelly: well, you're saying you need the software, because you're being made to use it, but that's not really the senes of need i mean-- |
| 22:16.40 | catsup | i mean that whoever is making you use it doesn't have a need for it |
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| 22:16.57 | jelly | catsup: should I wait for you to provide the upgrade path out of MS Office? |
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| 22:17.09 | catsup | jelly: no need to wait, i've got it |
| 22:17.10 | vkentucky | LeGreffi3R, do you mean the ATI driver I was trying was closed? If so where can I get the open module ? I don't seem to be able to find much on ATI's website. Maybe I am not searching correctly? |
| 22:17.11 | catsup | jelly: 'vim' |
| 22:17.12 | streuner | abrotman: how about to phone him and ask whats going on? |
| 22:17.27 | abrotman | streuner: go for it .. but it is sunday .. maybe he's enjoying his weekend |
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| 22:17.46 | furrywolf | anyone, my question isn't how to convince the world of the non-neededness of office suites, but to get iceweasel to install without a new version of myspell. :) |
| 22:17.47 | abrotman | &drxx vkentucky |
| 22:17.47 | aptitude | vkentucky: To reconfigure your X server, run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg as root. If you're not using Xorg (sarge or earlier), dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86, and ask me about xmd5sum if you've changed XF86Config-4 yourself. |
| 22:17.50 | Vasistha | vkentucky: unsurprisingly, ATI does not advertise the non-free driver on their website ;) |
| 22:17.51 | abrotman | vkentucky: and choose radeon |
| 22:17.51 | furrywolf | s/one/way |
| 22:17.54 | RichiH | k3b just killed itself. is there any way to forcefully unlock the cd drive? |
| 22:17.59 | streuner | abrotman: heh, i dont think he enjoy weekend much if he is offline... |
| 22:18.04 | abrotman | RichiH: paperclip |
| 22:18.07 | Vasistha | RichiH: paperclip? |
| 22:18.10 | abrotman | streuner: depends on your outlook |
| 22:18.18 | catsup | furrywolf: ya, well, submit a bug and wait 6mos |
| 22:18.18 | jelly | catsup: excuse me while I ignore you on this topic from now on :-) |
| 22:18.22 | streuner | abrotman: that says the right one :-P |
| 22:18.23 | RichiH | will that make it accessible within linux, though? |
| 22:18.24 | abrotman | streuner: if you had no internet .. would you be sitting here wondering about where don/dpkg are? |
| 22:18.37 | furrywolf | catsup: meh, compiling it only takes half that long. :P |
| 22:18.48 | Vasistha | RichiH: kill the process that's using it? lsof and/or fuser might be helpful |
| 22:19.07 | streuner | abrotman: nah, but i would have serious headaches, because something isnt "normal" |
| 22:19.13 | abrotman | freak :) |
| 22:19.17 | furrywolf | (took about 5 days for 1.5... so not quite that long... but... heh) |
| 22:19.43 | vkentucky | aptitude, I tried that. It choses the ATI driver but gives me the "out of range" error. Also, I am running Sid. |
| 22:20.04 | abrotman | vkentucky: aptitude is a channel bot |
| 22:20.17 | gravity | vkentucky: You should add the correct hsync and vrefresh to your xorg.conf |
| 22:20.26 | gravity | vkentucky: Or just comment those two lines out and try starting X |
| 22:20.40 | gravity | vkentucky: Actually, try the commenting out bit first and see how that goes |
| 22:20.42 | vkentucky | gravity, did that right off my monitor's settings. No joy. |
| 22:20.44 | Vasistha | aptitude seems to have a few factoids referencing swsusp, but is there a howto anywhere? |
| 22:20.44 | aptitude | Vasistha: what are you talking about? |
| 22:20.52 | gravity | Since the whole distro will be getting that soon |
| 22:20.52 | Vasistha | aptitude: shut up :) |
| 22:21.03 | vkentucky | gravity, did all of that. |
| 22:21.18 | RichiH | Vasistha: does not appear in lsof |
| 22:21.20 | gravity | hrmpf |
| 22:21.27 | gravity | vkentucky: Can I see your Xorg.0.log? |
| 22:21.32 | RichiH | and paperclip did not work |
| 22:21.33 | gravity | vkentucky: Put it in a paster somewhere? |
| 22:21.51 | Vasistha | RichiH: I suppose you've tried a few varieties, like /dev/hdc /dev/cdrom /media/cdrom0 etc |
| 22:22.03 | abrotman | RichiH: paper clip always works |
| 22:22.12 | RichiH | Vasistha: aye |
| 22:22.14 | vkentucky | gravity, where do I get the log? |
| 22:22.20 | abrotman | /var/log/Xorg.0.log |
| 22:22.20 | catsup | Vasistha: just install hibernate and type s2disk |
| 22:22.25 | RichiH | abrotman: it comes out |
| 22:22.27 | abrotman | htf did he get on sid |
| 22:22.30 | gravity | vkentucky: Where abrotman just said |
| 22:22.33 | abrotman | RichiH: right .. that's the "works" i meant |
| 22:22.35 | RichiH | abrotman: but the cd drive does not respond, either |
| 22:22.38 | vkentucky | just a sec. |
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| 22:22.55 | RichiH | narf, reboot |
| 22:23.00 | Vasistha | catsup: alright, thanks |
| 22:23.05 | abrotman | RichiH: that'll work! |
| 22:23.09 | abrotman | unless it ate your CD drive |
| 22:23.33 | Vasistha | sometimes rebooting is the fastest way :| |
| 22:23.56 | vkentucky | gravity, the file is long! How do I get it to you? |
| 22:24.19 | gravity | vkentucky: pastebin |
| 22:24.22 | gravity | !paster |
| 22:24.27 | gravity | Oh, right. dpkg is gone |
| 22:24.36 | streuner | ravenbird, paste |
| 22:24.36 | ravenbird | paste.length >= 3 ? `/join #flood' : `/say paste.msg', or paste your output at http://channels.debian.net/paste/ |
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| 22:25.46 | streuner | ravenbird, no paste is <reply> paste.length >= 3 ? `/join #flood' : `/say paste.msg', or paste your output at http://paste.debian.net/ |
| 22:25.46 | ravenbird | streuner: okay |
| 22:25.59 | youpi | hey, we have troubles with brltty on ppc, could someone paste me the first line of hexdump /dev/vcsa1 on a big endan machine ? |
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| 22:27.49 | streuner | we'll need a lot to fix, only sussudio's bot is mostly up to date... |
| 22:27.57 | abrotman | streuner: whowhat? |
| 22:28.08 | jelly | &sing sussudio |
| 22:28.11 | streuner | db |
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| 22:28.15 | abrotman | streuner: which one is sussudio's ? |
| 22:28.24 | streuner | picky or such |
| 22:28.29 | abrotman | piggy isn't a blootbot |
| 22:28.31 | abrotman | Piggy: apt |
| 22:28.33 | abrotman | see |
| 22:28.39 | abrotman | Piggy: love streuner |
| 22:28.49 | jelly | apt: who owns you |
| 22:28.49 | apt | TimRiker does |
| 22:28.58 | streuner | it should be the same IP |
| 22:29.04 | abrotman | it's not piggy |
| 22:29.20 | sussudio | whut? |
| 22:29.21 | abrotman | streuner: why not just use aptitude? |
| 22:29.27 | abrotman | sussudio: back to bed with you! |
| 22:29.35 | furrywolf | well, decided equivs was too much work and installed firefox with --force-depends, seems to work so far... |
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| 22:29.42 | furrywolf | s/firefox/iceweasel |
| 22:29.44 | jelly | sussudio: sorry for the highlight! |
| 22:29.46 | abrotman | furrywolf: try to install something else |
| 22:29.49 | sussudio | i haven't had badgers in here for a while. |
| 22:29.57 | streuner | ah, badgers |
| 22:30.15 | jelly | got rid of the infestation |
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| 22:30.44 | Enverex | Erm, every time I run "glxinfo" I just get "Segmentation Fault" :/ |
| 22:30.52 | abrotman | Enverex: which X driver? |
| 22:30.55 | furrywolf | if there's problems later, then I'll figure out equivs. but creating control files just to make a dependency happy seems excessive... |
| 22:30.58 | SamuraiDio | after installing the kernel modules of nVidia card, my lspci command list all devices as nvidia vendor. this: http://pastebin.com/d42954017 |
| 22:30.59 | Enverex | abrotman, nVidia |
| 22:31.04 | Enverex | abrotman, Binary |
| 22:31.06 | abrotman | Enverex: the binary non-free crap? |
| 22:31.08 | SamuraiDio | some clue of how do change it? |
| 22:31.21 | vkentucky | Gravity, Obviously, I know how to "paste", but what is pastebin? I know little about IRC. |
| 22:31.23 | Enverex | abrotman, Well the "free" ones are unusable... |
| 22:31.26 | abrotman | Enverex: strace it ? |
| 22:31.33 | abrotman | Enverex: define "unusable" |
| 22:31.37 | furrywolf | SamuraiDio: since nvidia's driver is a closed-source binary blob that is free to clobber any part of the kernel it wishes, who knows. |
| 22:31.41 | gravity | ravenbird: paste |
| 22:31.41 | ravenbird | paste.length >= 3 ? `/join #flood' : `/say paste.msg', or paste your output at http://paste.debian.net/ |
| 22:31.44 | abrotman | SamuraiDio: update-pciids (if your network is working) |
| 22:31.44 | gravity | vkentucky: ^ |
| 22:31.47 | Enverex | abrotman, Well they lack any form of accelleration... |
| 22:31.55 | abrotman | Enverex: so? do you play games? |
| 22:31.59 | gravity | vkentucky: Use the paste.debian.net one, not #flood |
| 22:32.01 | Enverex | abrotman, Yes |
| 22:32.07 | abrotman | Enverex: ask #nvidia |
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| 22:32.16 | badgers | Okay, I'm here. (courtesy of sussudio) |
| 22:32.26 | sussudio | %eat gravity |
| 22:32.30 | jelly | badgers: mushroom |
| 22:32.30 | badgers | jelly: have you tried http://www.tldp.org/ ? |
| 22:32.41 | abrotman | sussudio: we have aptitude .. which works fine .. i have no idea why streuner thinks we need badgers too |
| 22:32.44 | RichiH | abrotman: didn't |
| 22:32.45 | Enverex | abrotman, I did ages ago, channel is dead |
| 22:32.48 | abrotman | RichiH: didn't work ? |
| 22:32.53 | RichiH | abrotman: i had to switch it off and wait a minute |
| 22:32.54 | abrotman | Enverex: buy intel? :) |
| 22:33.00 | abrotman | RichiH: eww |
| 22:33.05 | SamuraiDio | abrotman, tnx |
| 22:33.11 | RichiH | abrotman: so it _really_ crapped itself |
| 22:33.12 | Enverex | abrotman, They don't sell seperate cards and their performance is dire |
| 22:33.17 | streuner | abrotman: i know sussudio's bot, it is mostly up to date, no idea about aptitude... |
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| 22:33.27 | abrotman | Enverex: but you're not stuck with non-functional stuff? :) |
| 22:33.35 | abrotman | streuner: aptitude is a nightly copy of dpkg |
| 22:33.38 | sussudio | did dpkg die? |
| 22:33.47 | abrotman | sussudio: notice .. no don, debhelper or dpkg ? |
| 22:33.56 | sussudio | mkay |
| 22:34.19 | Enverex | abrotman, That's a shitty attitude. You're basically saying rather than having high performance cards that have dodgy drivers on occasion (and fixing it) you're saying I should use something that works, but so poorly it's no use anyway... |
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| 22:34.32 | abrotman | Enverex: does yours work now? :) |
| 22:34.39 | abrotman | Enverex: how did you install the nvidia driver? |
| 22:34.46 | vkentucky | gravity, I sent it. |
| 22:34.59 | Enverex | abrotman, Synaptic and "m-a a-i nvidia" |
| 22:34.59 | gravity | vkentucky: I need the link... |
| 22:35.07 | abrotman | Enverex: and you've checked the BTS? |
| 22:35.30 | abrotman | Enverex: did you try to strace/ltrace it ? |
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| 22:35.41 | Enverex | abrotman, The BTS is about as easily navigatable as a labrynth in the pitch black :/ |
| 22:36.00 | vkentucky | http://paste.debian.net/44528 |
| 22:36.13 | abrotman | Enverex: it's not that hard .. bugs.debian.org/nvidia-kernel .. or whatever the stupid package is |
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| 22:36.42 | Vasistha | wow, I'm astonished at how tolerant my system is of being completely disconnected from the internet for a minute, and resuming the irc connection :D |
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| 22:37.38 | jelly | Vasistha: the wonders of tcp! |
| 22:38.07 | furrywolf | set up equivs, that works too. I haven't tried doing any spell checking, but browsing seems to work. :) |
| 22:38.11 | cockroach | hi. i need a linux-libc-dev package for an old kernel (2.6.16). since there is no such package in the archives, i was wondering whether it would be possible to create one myself (using make-kpkg). the docs say it's dangerous to do so, but i was wondering *how* dangerous :) |
| 22:38.18 | Vasistha | jelly: somehow I'm skeptical that it'll survive a hibernate, though, hehe |
| 22:38.34 | Vasistha | cockroach: why do you need that? |
| 22:38.56 | abrotman | &sdn |
| 22:38.57 | aptitude | [sdn] go to http://snapshot.debian.net to get older packages. Almost every single package since somewhere in 2002 is here. year 2004 is largely lost because of harddisk problems. |
| 22:39.07 | abrotman | oh .. nevermind |
| 22:39.18 | vkentucky | gravity, Ooops! I just noticed the Xorg log I pasted IS my most recent log, but also I enabled many of the commented out "Options" in xorg.conf just to see if it made a difference. It didn't. Same slow result bothe before and after the uncomment. Might want to send you the Xorg.0.log.old if you think it'll help. |
| 22:39.30 | cockroach | Vasistha: i need to run a program which is compiled against linux/wireless.h and doesn't compile with recent kernels |
| 22:39.57 | Vasistha | cockroach: "ugh" -- yeah, you want the snapshots that aptitude referenced several lines up |
| 22:40.29 | cockroach | Vasistha: the oldest linux-libc-headers package i could find there was from 2.6.20. |
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| 22:40.45 | gravity | vkentucky: Slow result? I thought you didn't get anything up because of the sync being out of range? |
| 22:40.53 | cockroach | Vasistha: i know that the package used to have a different name, but if i try to install one of those, apt wants to remove libc6-dev :) |
| 22:40.59 | themill | cockroach: if a program is using kernel headers, then either (a) it shouldn't be doing so and it will work on a different kernel or (b) it knows what it is doing and probably won't work when running under a different kernel. |
| 22:41.25 | Vasistha | cockroach: yeah, they used to be called "kernel headers" instead of "linux headers" |
| 22:41.25 | vkentucky | gravity, no... that's only when I try to use the ATI driver instead of "vesa" or "fglrx" |
| 22:41.35 | cockroach | themill: i'm running kernel 2.6.16 on that machine, it's just the linux-libc-headers package which is too new ... |
| 22:41.45 | SamuraiDio | abrotman, after that i got the pci names, but its most nVidia, still |
| 22:41.49 | gravity | vkentucky: Oh, you have fglrx installed and ati is slow? |
| 22:41.53 | cockroach | Vasistha: exactly. |
| 22:41.56 | gravity | vkentucky: Is all of ati slow, or just GL stuff? |
| 22:41.58 | abrotman | SamuraiDio: paste it again |
| 22:42.03 | themill | cockroach: ok.. you might get away with it. You could extract it yourself in another directory to do the compilation. |
| 22:42.10 | Enverex | If I want rm to delete what's piped to it, what would be the syntax? |
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| 22:42.16 | vkentucky | Gravity, All of ATI |
| 22:42.18 | peterS | Enverex: xargs rm |
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| 22:42.23 | themill | Enverex: you'll need xargs |
| 22:42.24 | cockroach | themill: might it work if i just force it to use my actual kernel's headers instaed? |
| 22:42.25 | gravity | vkentucky: Ok... |
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| 22:42.42 | gravity | vkentucky: Have you tried enabling XAA? |
| 22:42.47 | cockroach | themill: i do have the linux-headers-2.6.16 package installed... |
| 22:42.49 | peterS | Enverex: that's the point of xargs, changing standard input into command line arguments. it has several useful flags you probably want to read about, though |
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| 22:42.58 | themill | cockroach: ummm... no idea. wireless stacks have changed a lot over recent kernels |
| 22:43.01 | jelly | SamuraiDio: maybe it's because you have a motherboard with and nVidia chipset? |
| 22:43.15 | streuner | cockroach: congrats, 2.6.16 isnt in Debian |
| 22:43.17 | Vasistha | frickin' stupid-ass sdn search ... it's doing a regex search, but sanitizing my query before feeding it to the regex engine. soooooo laaaaame |
| 22:43.24 | themill | Enverex: you'll probably want the -0 option. |
| 22:43.24 | SamuraiDio | abrotman, http://pastebin.com/d43ae3bf8 |
| 22:43.32 | cockroach | streuner: heh, i know. the program won't work with anything newer than 2.6.17 though :) |
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| 22:44.10 | abrotman | SamuraiDio: looks normal .. what's the problem ? |
| 22:44.13 | vkentucky | Gravity, no I haven't |
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| 22:44.22 | Enverex | peterS, Thanks, that worked |
| 22:44.29 | Vasistha | cockroach: what if you went back to the oldstable version 2.6.8 ? |
| 22:44.32 | gravity | vkentucky: Er, EXA, I'm sorry. You have XAA by default |
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| 22:45.05 | vkentucky | gravity, yeah, my bad... Yes, I have tried EXA. |
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| 22:45.15 | gravity | vkentucky: You should really purge all the traces of fglrx |
| 22:45.20 | Vasistha | cockroach: not that that's necessarily a good idea ... dpkg is pretty strict :) |
| 22:45.20 | gravity | vkentucky: If you're going to run ati |
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| 22:45.26 | SamuraiDio | abrotman, i'm looking a post at ubuntu foruns about people trying to install ubuntu on the same notebook model as mine, but the pcis looks diferent |
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| 22:45.44 | s32aph | anyone know how to install dpkg? |
| 22:45.48 | abrotman | SamuraiDio: how much different? |
| 22:45.58 | abrotman | s32aph: on debian? |
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| 22:46.01 | s32aph | yes |
| 22:46.07 | streuner | haha |
| 22:46.09 | vkentucky | Gravity, hold a sec. I want to try something. Seems that only "KDE" apps and desktop are slow. Don't think Gnome is... I'll check it out. |
| 22:46.26 | Vasistha | SamuraiDio: why don't you look at linux-laptop.net |
| 22:46.41 | cockroach | well, i'll just try building & installing libc-kheaders and see what happens... |
| 22:46.44 | SamuraiDio | Vasistha, never heard about it, i'll check |
| 22:46.57 | Vasistha | !laptop |
| 22:47.00 | Vasistha | grr |
| 22:47.16 | Vasistha | &tell SamuraiDio -about laptop |
| 22:47.29 | cockroach | oh, "This target is now obsolete.". so how is this done these days? |
| 22:47.30 | gravity | Vasistha: This log is for using fglrx, not ati |
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| 22:47.44 | gravity | Vasistha: So you're not even trying ati here |
| 22:47.54 | Vasistha | gravity: @ vkentucky ? |
| 22:48.00 | gravity | Vasistha: Oops, yeah |
| 22:48.02 | gravity | vkentucky: ^ |
| 22:48.10 | s32aph | my debian has no dpkg currently |
| 22:48.24 | SamuraiDio | Vasistha, tnx |
| 22:48.26 | jelly | s32aph: what have you done to it? |
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| 22:48.33 | s32aph | nothing.. |
| 22:48.34 | Vasistha | gravity: wow, you are a pretty lazy guy to try to do a tab-completion in #debian with only *one* leading character :D |
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| 22:49.09 | gravity | Vasistha: Sorry, I'm doing a bunch of things at once :-\ |
| 22:49.30 | SamuraiDio | abrotman, it seens that acer models sometimes have siferent configuration. mine is a br one also, so it may have several diferent pcis than the one i was looking at |
| 22:49.37 | Vasistha | gravity: it's okay :) you just took me by surprise ... I *am* preparing to get an ati card set up on my new lappy here |
| 22:49.44 | gravity | uh oh |
| 22:49.54 | jelly | s32aph: egrep -A10 'Package: (dpkg|libc6)$' /var/lib/dpkg/status|grep ^Version |
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| 22:50.31 | streuner_ | s32: a |
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| 22:50.58 | streuner_ | s32: almost impossible |
| 22:51.16 | jelly | s32aph: show us the output of that command |
| 22:52.02 | s32aph | egrep: /var/lib/dpkh/status: no such file or directory |
| 22:52.03 | vkentucky | Yes, I am currently using the FGLRX driver and it is slow. The ATI driver was a no go. I got the "out of range" error with ATI. Just to add a new wrinkle My GNOME environment seems to be fine, but when I try use kde apps within it I get the slow apps, etc... By slow, I mean it seems to take forever to load, make s the whole system bog down, and "grays" out the app on screen until it fully redraws it. Now I wonder if the error isn't with KDE so |
| 22:52.12 | s32aph | egrep: /var/lib/dpkg/status: no such file or directory |
| 22:52.24 | jelly | s32aph: are you _sure_ you have a debian system? |
| 22:52.41 | vkentucky | By the way, what is a good GNOME IRC program? I am using kopete in my gnome environment and it is choppy. |
| 22:52.42 | Vasistha | vkentucky: how fast is your box? |
| 22:52.51 | s32aph | says debian when it loads.. |
| 22:53.05 | Enverex | abrotman, Fixed it, had some rogue files. glxinfo and glxgears work perfectly, but for some reason, games seem to exit immediately... |
| 22:53.11 | Vasistha | vkentucky: kopete is not an irc client, and neither is gaim -- they are IM programs, that do a very poor job of imitating irc |
| 22:53.20 | abrotman | Enverex: eh .. that's not good |
| 22:53.38 | jelly | s32aph: pastebin the output of these: cat /etc/debian_version; ls -l /var/lib/dpkg |
| 22:54.01 | vkentucky | Vasistha, My box is 3.2ghz. Plenty of mem. |
| 22:54.08 | gravity | vkentucky: People like xchat |
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| 22:54.21 | Chr | Hello... |
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| 22:54.39 | s32aph | testing/unstable |
| 22:54.44 | Enverex | abrotman, Frets on Fire, XMoto, TORCS all appear then exit :/ |
| 22:54.49 | s32aph | ls: /var/lib/dpkg: no such file or directory |
| 22:55.06 | abrotman | Enverex: if it makes you feel better .. last i tried FoF .. it locked X very hard |
| 22:55.07 | vkentucky | gravity, I'll try exchat. Thanks. |
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| 22:55.17 | Vasistha | vkentucky: in that case you definitely shouldn't be having any resource issues! |
| 22:55.22 | SamuraiDio | can i install mozila/iceweasel java plugins by apt-get? |
| 22:55.33 | cafuego | aarrrgggggh |
| 22:55.37 | Vasistha | brb, attempting hibernate... |
| 22:55.48 | themill | SamuraiDio: /msg dpkg install java |
| 22:56.01 | themill | SamuraiDio: install the package sun-java5-plugin |
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| 22:56.19 | s32aph | what if u have no dpkg? |
| 22:56.37 | vkentucky | Vasistha, the more I think about it, it does seem that it acts like a "memory" issue. It bogs down the entire system when using KDE. Hmmm... wonder if it's a qt thing? |
| 22:57.10 | Chr | wmaker rulez! |
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| 22:58.05 | Vasistha | ping |
| 22:58.35 | SamuraiDio | themill, there's no package with this name on my sources |
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| 22:58.58 | themill | SamuraiDio: did you follow the instructions that dpkg gave you? You need contrib and non-free in your sources. |
| 22:59.10 | wols | themill: there is no dpkg |
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| 22:59.15 | jelly | s32aph: simple answer: reinstall. |
| 22:59.17 | themill | ahh.... |
| 22:59.23 | themill | SamuraiDio: /msg aptitude install java |
| 22:59.24 | Vasistha | catsup: thanks! hibernate works like a charm :D |
| 22:59.30 | themill | wols: gone bye byes again? |
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| 22:59.32 | s32aph | not so simple answer? |
| 22:59.45 | s32aph | assume i can copy paste any resource i need |
| 22:59.51 | wols | s32aph: you are wrong here cause a debian without dpkg is not possible |
| 23:00.01 | jelly | s32aph: figure out why your files are missing and restore from backup |
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| 23:00.12 | Vasistha | ahh, another hibernate question -- so, I've got two kernels on my system atm, 2.6.18 and 2.6.22. What would happen if I accidentally selected the "wrong" one when resuming from hibernate? |
| 23:00.15 | vkentucky | Vasistha & Gravity... Hmmm. Now using Gnome app "xChat" seems to be much better. |
| 23:00.30 | peterS | Vasistha: I think the kernel detects this and doesn't resume |
| 23:00.48 | jelly | s32aph: uname -a ? |
| 23:00.51 | s32aph | jelly, will that save a new kernel to my install? |
| 23:00.52 | gravity | This all seems like a poor solution |
| 23:00.56 | Vasistha | peterS: huh, that's interesting. So would it abort booting? |
| 23:01.02 | peterS | Vasistha: try it |
| 23:01.10 | catsup | no, it would boot normally |
| 23:01.18 | s32aph | linux box 2.4.22-xfs #1 smp |
| 23:01.20 | catsup | without using the resume image, which would be destroyed |
| 23:01.26 | s32aph | i586 unknown |
| 23:01.38 | wols | s32aph: that's not all it says |
| 23:01.42 | wols | s32aph: tell us the whole line |
| 23:01.58 | s32aph | #1 SMP Sep 19 17:55:45 CEST 2003 i586 unknown |
| 23:02.00 | Vasistha | catsup: ...that seems like it could be dangerous :P my fs's wouldn't have been properly unmounted and all. I wonder if there's a way I can get it to automatically abort if it finds a resume image from the wrong kernel? |
| 23:02.14 | wols | s32aph: either tell us all or troll elsewhere |
| 23:02.20 | s32aph | i swear 2 u |
| 23:02.42 | jelly | s32aph: uptime |
| 23:02.43 | s32aph | Linux box 2.4.22-xfs #1 S<P Fr Sep 19 17:55:45 CEST 2003 i586 unknown |
| 23:02.44 | peterS | wols: wait did you ask him for 'uname -a' or 'cat /proc/version'? one will have a lot more info than the other |
| 23:02.44 | Vasistha | &u |
| 23:02.45 | aptitude | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 23:02.45 | wols | s32aph: you can swear whatever you want it's not true. no answer truthfully or go away |
| 23:03.02 | wols | peterS: uname -a was asked |
| 23:03.07 | s32aph | omfg |
| 23:03.15 | s32aph | this isint the compy im on irc w btw |
| 23:03.20 | cockroach | does anyone know how to build your own linux-libc-dev package? kernel-package's libc-kheaders appears to be obsolete... |
| 23:03.25 | s32aph | ok uname -a |
| 23:03.28 | s32aph | this IS the line |
| 23:03.36 | wols | peterS: he claims to have a testing/unstable system but no dpkg |
| 23:03.48 | s32aph | Linux box 2.4.22-xfs #1 S<P Fr Sep 19 17:55:45 CEST 2003 i586 unknown |
| 23:03.51 | Vasistha | wols: I wonder if that "unknown" is what you're looking for? |
| 23:04.01 | wols | Vasistha: no, kernel version |
| 23:04.12 | wols | Vasistha: and it clearly is no debian kernel |
| 23:04.15 | jelly | s32aph: when was this machine installed? It's rather old. |
| 23:04.27 | s32aph | uptime = 19:22:47 up 1:31, load average: 0.00, 0.00, 0.00 |
| 23:04.31 | peterS | s32aph: I guess we're also curious about 'cat /etc/debian_version' |
| 23:04.35 | Vasistha | wols: yeah, I would expect it should say GNU/Linux if it's any recent debian, testing, stable, or whatever |
| 23:04.35 | s32aph | installed about 3 days ago |
| 23:04.37 | wols | Vasistha: thing is, I still don't believe he is running any form of debian |
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| 23:04.47 | abrotman | it's a knoppix afaict |
| 23:04.54 | s32aph | well one of the loading says 'based on debian' |
| 23:05.06 | jelly | s32aph: based on means it's not really debian. |
| 23:05.07 | Vasistha | &based on debian |
| 23:05.08 | aptitude | Your distribution may be based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it unlikely lives up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. If your distribution has an IRC channel, you can use it instead. Even if your distribution has fewer people in its IRC channel, or doesn't have one, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. |
| 23:05.09 | peterS | oh, if it's knoppix, that explains the confusion. you want the #knoppix channel, I guess |
| 23:05.13 | wols | s32aph: but it isn't debian then. ask #knoppix or whoever |
| 23:05.36 | SamuraiDio | i'm having problem with aptitude, i added the opera debian repo on may sources.list, but i cant find/instal opera, i cant find the win32codecs package too. on another machine, both packages are fund |
| 23:05.36 | s32aph | what if i ask how i get debian on here.. |
| 23:05.39 | SamuraiDio | found* |
| 23:05.44 | wols | &d-i |
| 23:05.44 | aptitude | Etch 4.0r0 is now the "Stable" debian release (April 8, 2007) see http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/debian-installer/ for images. Sarge is still available at http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/debian-installer/ Developers page is http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ .. If you want to make custom install cds, start with d-i. IRC: oftc.net: #debian-boot. Lenny is now the new Testing! |
| 23:05.52 | wols | s32aph: that's how you can do it |
| 23:05.53 | Vasistha | s32aph: ^^^ |
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| 23:06.23 | s32aph | and compared to my install, debian will update with it? install over it? |
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| 23:06.37 | s32aph | im not sure exactly what debian is based against knoppix? |
| 23:06.39 | Vasistha | s32aph: install over it |
| 23:06.46 | s32aph | as i understand debian is a package manager system |
| 23:06.51 | abrotman | wtf |
| 23:06.56 | cockroach | :) |
| 23:07.10 | Vasistha | s32aph: it is an operating system, which includes a package manager system that is often borrowed by other operating systems |
| 23:07.11 | peterS | s32aph: no, debian is a linux distribution. knoppix is a different linux distribution, based on a lot of debian work. |
| 23:07.21 | wols | s32aph: debian is a linux distribution. knoppix was made with debian as a base |
| 23:07.48 | s32aph | so if i want to sudo su devmode=1 /linux what distro should i use? |
| 23:07.53 | wols | s32aph: debian will not update your install. you will have to reinstall |
| 23:08.05 | s32aph | so debian is also a gui? |
| 23:08.16 | Vasistha | hahaha |
| 23:08.32 | s32aph | you said reinstall, i do not know what debian looks like apprently |
| 23:08.35 | themill | testing won't run on a 2.4 kernel either |
| 23:08.36 | wols | s32aph: please do not troll |
| 23:08.44 | s32aph | wtf does troll mean |
| 23:08.47 | Vasistha | wols: I seriously think he's just ignorant :P |
| 23:08.49 | wols | themill: testing from 2003 will |
| 23:08.52 | peterS | no. dpkg is a package manager, which uses .deb and .dsc files. debian is the organisation that invented dpkg. various derivative distributions also use dpkg now. |
| 23:09.02 | Vasistha | s32aph: how much have you used linux? and how much have you used windows? |
| 23:09.06 | themill | wols: true... |
| 23:09.12 | wols | Vasistha: ignorant people don't know about "sudo su" and "/linux" |
| 23:09.18 | abrotman | htf can you know wtf and irc but not troll ... |
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| 23:09.28 | Vasistha | s32aph: just to get an idea how I can go about helping you |
| 23:09.44 | s32aph | because i played ultima online when wtf became a fucking acronym and we had no concept of trolling |
| 23:09.47 | Vasistha | wols: sure, but he might have just gotten that command from somewhere, someone's telling him to do it |
| 23:09.55 | s32aph | i kno vasis |
| 23:09.59 | Vasistha | okay, he is a troll. |
| 23:10.02 | s32aph | hard to get a breath in sometimes |
| 23:10.05 | s32aph | ... |
| 23:10.06 | s32aph | wtf |
| 23:10.08 | SamuraiDio | how can i know what devices show by lspci are correctly installed or not? |
| 23:10.13 | s32aph | open source my fucking ass |
| 23:10.22 | abrotman | ? |
| 23:10.23 | s32aph | u guys are pretentious dicks |
| 23:10.28 | themill | &troll stamp s32aph |
| 23:10.30 | s32aph | blow me |
| 23:10.32 | peterS | and ultima online is a stupid name. ultima just means 'last'. |
| 23:10.35 | s32aph | or gline |
| 23:10.35 | trpr | s32aph: haha. you are a troll. you got me in your net :P |
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| 23:10.40 | themill | aptitude: trollstamp s32aph |
| 23:10.56 | abrotman | SamuraiDio: correctly installed ? you mean the driver is going ? |
| 23:10.59 | s32aph | looks like lolstampt to me |
| 23:11.05 | s32aph | hahahaahah |
| 23:11.07 | themill | s32aph: please go away |
| 23:11.15 | SamuraiDio | abrotman, the driver |
| 23:11.18 | wols | s32aph: are you jelousbuddy again? |
| 23:11.22 | s32aph | wait wait |
| 23:11.39 | s32aph | themill is about to be born.. error in process... abort? retry? fail? |
| 23:11.44 | jelly | just ban him already ;-) |
| 23:11.51 | abrotman | s32aph: do you have a question about debian or not? |
| 23:11.53 | peterS | s32aph: you're on thin ice, try not to be insulting |
| 23:11.58 | abrotman | SamuraiDio: depends on the device |
| 23:12.02 | themill | s32aph: Please either ask a debian question or be silent. |
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| 23:12.20 | s32aph | well to be quite honest you had answered my question when i was about to finish this convo with a few thank yous and i apprecate the help |
| 23:12.30 | s32aph | until someone opened their fucking mouth an insulted me |
| 23:12.37 | cockroach | sorry for repeating, but does anyone happen to know how to build your own linux-libc-dev package? kernel-package's libc-kheaders target appears to be obsolete... |
| 23:12.44 | peterS | so ... just calm down. we'll do the same. |
| 23:12.50 | wols | cockroach: what do you need this for? |
| 23:12.54 | abrotman | cockroach: why can't you use the debian kernel you should be? |
| 23:13.02 | s32aph | calm like a corona yo = ) |
| 23:13.12 | s32aph | now |
| 23:13.18 | s32aph | my question would be now |
| 23:13.18 | wols | cockroach: it's rarely necessary |
| 23:13.26 | Vasistha | &enter |
| 23:13.26 | aptitude | The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter unecessarily makes it difficult to follow what you are saying. Consider using ',', '. ', ';', '...', '---', or ':' instead. |
| 23:13.37 | cockroach | wols, abrotman: because i need a 2.6.16 kernel for this little project. i know i shouldn't, but it doesn't compile against anything >.17 and I really don't feel like porting it :) |
| 23:13.48 | s32aph | if i want to help /dev linux, should i get debian? or would i want a different distro for kernel/etc tools |
| 23:13.58 | wols | cockroach: so where do you have kernel 2.6.16 from? |
| 23:14.01 | cockroach | wols: and the thing compiles against libc headers where wireless.h has changed |
| 23:14.10 | Vasistha | s32aph: I think you should get a different distro -- try ubuntu |
| 23:14.18 | Chr | xD |
| 23:14.25 | aleksanteri | lol |
| 23:14.25 | peterS | s32aph: I dunno, I'd prefer to develop using debian, as it always has the tools and libraries I need. not everyone agrees. |
| 23:14.25 | s32aph | quick question if i may |
| 23:14.35 | cockroach | wols: self made, with kernel-package. i do have its kernel headers installed, too, but apparently i also need older libc-headers (due to the aforementioned wireless.h) |
| 23:14.39 | wols | s32aph: any general prupose distro will do, you can use whateevr you want basically |
| 23:14.59 | s32aph | i have a pcmcia card that wont turn on, says no pulse.. |
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| 23:15.08 | s32aph | any chance i could ge t aquick idea? |
| 23:15.17 | bucky | s32aph, is borken you stupid CANUCK |
| 23:15.24 | themill | s32aph: ask in #knoppix if you are using knoppix |
| 23:15.27 | peterS | bucky: eh wot? |
| 23:15.28 | s32aph | why does it detect in bios |
| 23:15.30 | Vasistha | s32aph: if you want help, we need to know what version of debian you are using, and you already established you're not using debian. |
| 23:15.40 | s32aph | hey bucky, what isint broken u hick fuck |
| 23:15.44 | wols | cockroach: linux-libc-dev, check snapshot.debian.net |
| 23:15.48 | s32aph | gotcha casis |
| 23:15.50 | s32aph | err |
| 23:15.51 | s32aph | vasis |
| 23:15.59 | Chr | calm down... |
| 23:16.00 | bucky | s32aph, go back to france you surrender monkey |
| 23:16.00 | SamuraiDio | how can i remove the gpg keys i got for my repos in sources.list? |
| 23:16.03 | themill | s32aph, bucky: enough |
| 23:16.04 | s32aph | atleast u can word it to me like a human with half a brain cell |
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| 23:16.12 | cockroach | wols: i did that, they don't seem to have anything < 2.6.20 |
| 23:16.12 | peterS | bucky: that's not called for. 10 minutes. |
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| 23:16.28 | simonrvn | um, s32aph started with the insults |
| 23:16.30 | s32aph | gotta have a war worth fighting for to be considered surrender asshole |
| 23:16.37 | simonrvn | should probably +q him too |
| 23:16.47 | s32aph | anywho |
| 23:16.49 | wols | cockroach: they have all debian packages since 2002 or so |
| 23:16.49 | s32aph | get debian |
| 23:16.49 | abrotman | s32aph: stop |
| 23:16.52 | s32aph | gotcha = ) |
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| 23:16.55 | peterS | simonrvn: yes, well, I think he mainly responded to people provoking him |
| 23:17.00 | Chr | Guys dont low urself's with s32aph... |
| 23:17.07 | jelly | simonrvn: nah, keep the troll but silence the replies, that's more interesting! |
| 23:17.12 | cockroach | wols: i know, but the package changed names, and libc6 will be uninstalled if i try to install an old one... |
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| 23:17.31 | wols | cockroach: dependencies are like that always |
| 23:17.34 | Vasistha | peterS: I was watching him for some time, I really believe he was a cunning troll! |
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| 23:18.02 | marupa | If a video-in adapter (not tuner card) works in tvtime, it should work in mplayer (or at least partially) right? |
| 23:18.03 | cockroach | wols: which is why i figured it might be easier to just create a linux-libc-dev package from the kernel sources i have here. if only i could figure out how :) |
| 23:18.38 | Vasistha | peterS: he delibirately attempted to pit people against each other and provoke |
| 23:18.47 | peterS | Vasistha: yes, well, bucky popped in from the blue and called him a stupid canuck, I won't tolerate that |
| 23:19.15 | abrotman | Vasistha: canadian |
| 23:19.21 | wols | peterS: imho he was jelousbuddy from earlier |
| 23:19.34 | jelly | abrotman: a flappyhead? |
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| 23:20.02 | themill | aptitude: sunday |
| 23:20.02 | aptitude | Sunday is the day all trolls swarm to #debian, avoid at all cost to remain sane. |
| 23:20.04 | marupa | or, if mplayer can't play the video-in, what program could I use to capture the video? |
| 23:20.18 | cockroach | but apparently it isn't. thanks anyway. |
| 23:20.45 | Vasistha | marupa: have you verified that mplayer can't play it? |
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| 23:21.03 | marupa | Vasistha, tried mplayer /dev/video0, and no video window shows up. |
| 23:21.09 | Vasistha | marupa: even so ... you might ask #mplayer , as they are likely to know where to refer you |
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| 23:21.19 | marupa | Vasistha, thanks. |
| 23:21.28 | chuck | hi, i just installed debian, but when i tried to boot into it, i was greeted with a blank screen |
| 23:21.30 | chuck | any idea why? |
| 23:21.40 | Vasistha | bad video mode? |
| 23:21.51 | wols | chuck: what came directly after the grub bootmenu? |
| 23:21.54 | Vasistha | chuck: did it print anything on the screen after the grub menu? |
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| 23:21.59 | chuck | ahh just a sec |
| 23:22.12 | Throat | to much attention :) |
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| 23:23.19 | chuck | ah, there we go, sometimes it doesn't work for some reason |
| 23:23.25 | Vasistha | peterS: interesting ... from wikipedia: A few Americans misinterpret "Canuck" as an offensive noun but would be hard pressed to find a Canadian, French or English, insulted by the word. |
| 23:23.54 | chuck | Vasistha, canuck isn't insulting to me (from canada) |
| 23:24.11 | chuck | and i don't think it is to anyone in canada |
| 23:24.13 | peterS | Vasistha: indeed - but clearly it was _intended_ to be insulting, in context |
| 23:24.29 | wols | <PROTECTED> |
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| 23:25.12 | chuck | yeah, it's insulting when people use it when saying "the stupid canucks are our cold neighbors somewhere to the north" or whatever |
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| 23:25.34 | abrotman | kind of dragged on long enough .. |
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| 23:25.54 | abrotman | snarf! |
| 23:25.56 | chuck | w00t, debian is up and running |
| 23:26.16 | Throat | our magic influence |
| 23:26.19 | aleksanteri | peterS, 10 minutes up :) |
| 23:26.22 | Vasistha | chuck: huh, that's kind of, uh, disconcerting :) |
| 23:26.23 | peterS | aleksanteri: yes I noticed |
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| 23:26.32 | aleksanteri | heh |
| 23:26.42 | abrotman | i thought autobleh did that for you? |
| 23:26.53 | jelly-home | bleh |
| 23:27.48 | peterS | abrotman: oh I think it has a feature to but I always forget how |
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| 23:27.53 | abrotman | oh ok |
| 23:28.05 | truz_`24 | 23: Can't open /usr/share/debootstrap/functions |
| 23:28.11 | truz_`24 | What would be the cause of htat? |
| 23:28.29 | truz_`24 | the functions script is there |
| 23:29.13 | peterS | does the functions script seem to be shell code readable by the user running debootstrap? |
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| 23:29.54 | Vasistha | truz_`24: ls -l /usr/share/debootstrap/functions # see if it's user-readable |
| 23:30.30 | ehc | is there a way to export python code into a pdf or odf document with color highlighting? |
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| 23:30.47 | truz_`24 | -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 31K 2007-11-14 06:16 usr/share/debootstrap/functions |
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| 23:30.53 | peterS | ehc: it is possible that a2ps can do something of the sort |
| 23:30.57 | Chr | Cya ... |
| 23:31.01 | Chr | 10-4 |
| 23:31.02 | peterS | ehc: it produces postscript, which can be converted to pdf at will |
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| 23:31.17 | truz_`24 | now keep in mind i'm trying to do this from within another install.. so its not in /usr/.... but inside a new directory ./usr/ .... |
| 23:31.35 | truz_`24 | Only thing I cna think of is thatit's looking in my current install's /usr/ tree |
| 23:31.43 | truz_`24 | But I want to create a new install and chroot into it |
| 23:32.10 | jelly-home | truz_`24: but debootstrap is installed on the current system, not inside the future chroot |
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| 23:32.21 | Vasistha | so, does the simple procedure for "simple sid backports" work for experimental, as well? |
| 23:32.26 | truz_`24 | i see |
| 23:32.33 | truz_`24 | thanks :-) |
| 23:32.40 | peterS | Vasistha: something similar ought to work. except when the build-dependencies have legitimately changed. |
| 23:32.48 | valdyn | Vasistha: experimental is already compiled against sid, normally |
| 23:33.06 | Vasistha | ah, thanks much! (thinkfinger ;) |
| 23:33.34 | jelly-home | Vasistha: sounds like ibm fingerprint technology |
| 23:34.35 | peterS | it is ... sort of. it is fingerprint reader technology included on some thinkpad laptops. |
| 23:35.00 | peterS | the actual manufacturer of the device is not ibm or lenovo, though |
| 23:35.25 | jelly-home | I log in using it :-) |
| 23:35.53 | Vasistha | mental note: don't use saliva to clean the screen, it smells funky :P |
| 23:36.01 | themill | jelly-home: oooh. are you fancy then... :) |
| 23:36.10 | abrotman | &clean Vasistha |
| 23:36.14 | abrotman | oh well |
| 23:36.32 | Vasistha | yeah, that's the stuff -- ibm's fingerprint reader :D |
| 23:36.41 | Vasistha | I specifically bought a laptop with it |
| 23:36.45 | themill | aptitude: lose abrotman |
| 23:36.45 | aptitude | abrotman: You Lose. |
| 23:36.46 | jelly-home | themill: it's nice, I wish the machines at work had it. :-| |
| 23:37.06 | Vasistha | jelly-home: have you used it at all? |
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| 23:37.23 | jelly-home | Vasistha: <jelly-home> I log in using it :-) |
| 23:37.25 | truz_`24 | jelly-home: now debootstrap is working just fine. I missed the critical step in the instructions i was following which was "cd /" :-) |
| 23:38.15 | Vasistha | jelly-home: nice :D I'm thinking of doing an encrypted partition with it, although ... I don't know if it'll be supported that early in the boot process :P |
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| 23:41.15 | jelly-home | Vasistha: I don't use the TPM, just a (3rd party) library that keeps the fingerprints in /etc and a pam module using those |
| 23:41.51 | jelly-home | ... hm, thinkfinger-tools etc are available in experimental now. |
| 23:41.56 | Vasistha | jelly-home: ah, so you don't actually have any experience with those experimental packages, huh? |
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| 23:43.16 | mgpaulus | I have a question about mount, nfs, and bind/rbind |
| 23:43.25 | Vasistha | mgpaulus: so ask it! :) |
| 23:43.26 | jelly-home | Vasistha: using a version I got from the author I guess, Installed: 0.3-1~jelly.0, Candidate: 0.3-2 |
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| 23:43.37 | mgpaulus | Gotta figure out how to phrase it :-) |
| 23:43.42 | abrotman | with words |
| 23:44.10 | Vasistha | jelly-home: nice. so, how does pam work, anyway? maybe I should go read up on it ... I have only this vague notion that it's some kind of grand unification scheme for authentication |
| 23:44.22 | mgpaulus | I have an nfs mount that I can make. No problem. I also have a schroot session that needs access to that nfs mounted dir, so I've tried to mount it via rbind. However it doesn't seem to mount because of a timing issue. |
| 23:44.23 | jelly-home | Vasistha: the pam module is a bit buggy though, sometimes fingerprint works but the password doesn't |
| 23:44.45 | Vasistha | jelly-home: ouch ... don't hurt your finger! |
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| 23:45.10 | mgpaulus | my question is, is there a way to make the rbind dependant upon the nfs mount, or should I nfs mount the same mountpoint within the schroot also? |
| 23:45.13 | jelly-home | Vasistha: you add auth sufficient pam_thinkfinger.so above pam_unix and hope it works |
| 23:45.16 | themill | jelly-home: there should be a way of doing a fall through so that the local password will always work |
| 23:45.47 | chuck | i want pidgin on my laptop, which package should i install to get that? |
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| 23:46.05 | mgpaulus | I need rbind because I have 2 nfs mount. /var/video, and then /var/video/mythArchive. |
| 23:46.06 | themill | chuck: are you running etch? (stable?) |
| 23:46.09 | Vasistha | chuck: gaim |
| 23:46.16 | jelly-home | themill: it doesn't work as intended, you have to fail multiple times on thinkfinger prompt to get to pam_unix prompt which accepts the password. |
| 23:46.35 | themill | jelly-home: ahh... yuck |
| 23:46.45 | Vasistha | jelly-home: how long does it take to fail? |
| 23:46.49 | chuck | themill, yes |
| 23:46.57 | abrotman | &info gaim etch |
| 23:47.00 | jelly-home | themill: the module asks for "Password or swipe finger: ", but doesn't accept the password ;-) |
| 23:47.05 | aptitude | gaim: (multi-protocol instant messaging client), section net, is optional. Version: 1:2.0.0+beta5-10 (etch), Packaged size: 1743 kB, Installed size: 4960 kB |
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| 23:47.14 | XwZ | Hi |
| 23:47.31 | themill | jelly-home: oops... minor stuff up that one |
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| 23:48.20 | chuck | do you guys know if it's possible to get sound working on an ibm thinkpad in debian, if so, how? |
| 23:48.34 | jelly-home | Vasistha: if you give it the wrong fingerprint, it fails like it ought to |
| 23:48.39 | abrotman | chuck: mine works fine |
| 23:48.42 | XwZ | do-you know how I can restaure /usr/local/sbin/newaliases for postfix please ? |
| 23:48.43 | themill | chuck: under debian, run alsaconf; but also look at thinkwiki.org |
| 23:48.55 | Vasistha | jelly-home: what I mean is, how long does it take? Like 15 seconds, or 0.5 ? |
| 23:48.58 | abrotman | XwZ: did you compile postfix yourself? |
| 23:49.00 | jelly-home | Vasistha: otherwise it sits there and waits just like a normal Password: prompt would |
| 23:49.12 | Vasistha | oh how stupid :) |
| 23:49.21 | Vasistha | it must have some kind of 3-second sleep built-in |
| 23:49.27 | jelly-home | why? |
| 23:49.27 | g00se | Is there a standard-ish way of file searching through FTP? |
| 23:49.28 | XwZ | abrotman: no just download the package with apt-get |
| 23:49.37 | abrotman | not if you're looking in /usr/local/ |
| 23:49.43 | Vasistha | g00se: I use curlftpfs + gnu find |
| 23:49.57 | abrotman | XwZ: you mean /usr/bin/newaliases ? |
| 23:49.58 | Vasistha | g00se: I don't think I'd call that "standard" but it works for me |
| 23:50.02 | g00se | Vasistha: ah is see |
| 23:50.18 | themill | XwZ: debian's postfix uses /usr/bin/newaliases |
| 23:50.28 | g00se | Vasistha: thanks |
| 23:50.34 | jelly-home | EEK! My fingerprint reader is giving my finger shocks |
| 23:50.51 | themill | aptitude: zap jelly-home |
| 23:51.09 | jelly-home | I didn't expect Spanish inquisition. |
| 23:51.18 | XwZ | themill: if I try the newaliases command, it say "newaliases: fatal: execv /usr/local/sbin/postalias: No such file or directory" |
| 23:51.23 | themill | jelly-home: nobody expects the Spanish inquisition |
| 23:51.37 | themill | XwZ: these are not debian packages then. |
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| 23:51.48 | sobersabre | jelly-home, what laptop do you have ( our chief weapon is surprise! ) |
| 23:51.49 | XwZ | erf ... it's postalias :/ |
| 23:52.09 | jelly-home | sobersabre: thinkpad Z60m ... and fear! |
| 23:52.13 | abrotman | XwZ: it's still not in the right place |
| 23:52.15 | sobersabre | woops |
| 23:52.19 | abrotman | XwZ: which version of debian is this? |
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| 23:52.37 | themill | XwZ: can you please pastebin the output of apt-cache policy postfix |
| 23:52.37 | sobersabre | our two most ferocious weapons are fear and surprise... and almost fanatical devotion |
| 23:52.41 | bulio | I'm running CUPS on debian, and when idle my printer keeps printing test pages over and over |
| 23:52.48 | Vasistha | jelly-home: yow! that doesn't sound very fun. I didn't realize I was buying a laptop for MASOCHISTS |
| 23:52.52 | bulio | its never done this before, any ideas as to what might be causing it? |
| 23:52.56 | XwZ | abrotman: it's etch |
| 23:53.04 | abrotman | XwZ: dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1 |
| 23:53.06 | jelly-home | Vasistha: this is the first time it gave out shocks |
| 23:53.08 | XwZ | themill: ok wait please |
| 23:53.10 | themill | bulio: it's a new feature so that you know you're printer is still working. |
| 23:53.21 | Vasistha | bulio: could you have a queue of a bunch of test pages you sent when trying to set it up? |
| 23:53.40 | Vasistha | bulio: you might check the queue at localhost:631 in your web browser |
| 23:53.44 | sobersabre | jelly-home, I am using T43, and it doesn't shock me... |
| 23:53.45 | themill | bulio: is there any output from the command lpq or on the cups web pages in the queue? |
| 23:53.48 | bulio | Vasistha, I cancelled all jobs |
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| 23:54.37 | bulio | printer says no jobs are waiting |
| 23:54.42 | jelly-home | sobersabre: it stopped now, wish I knew what I was doing wrong |
| 23:55.01 | sobersabre | jelly-home, what shoes are you wearing ? |
| 23:55.03 | thelostbutler | hello folks, any know of a decent guide to setup a ldap server + kerberos server that would replace a nis server. i more interested in the 1st part of the setup |
| 23:55.14 | bulio | anyone? |
| 23:55.30 | abrotman | thelostbutler: which is the first part? :) |
| 23:55.48 | thelostbutler | abrotman: the part of decent guide to setup krb+ldap |
| 23:56.02 | thelostbutler | on etch :D |
| 23:56.25 | XwZ | thelostbutler: http://pastebin.ca/810479 |
| 23:56.26 | jelly-home | sobersabre: slippers, stuffed with wintery warmy stuff, rubber soles |
| 23:56.42 | XwZ | sorry thelostbutler is for themill |
| 23:56.50 | XwZ | themill: http://pastebin.ca/810479 |
| 23:57.23 | jelly-home | sobersabre: but the shocking was limited to the metallic bits of the fingerprint reader. Also, it still works. |
| 23:57.30 | abrotman | XwZ: paste the output of the error you're trying to solve |
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| 23:58.14 | Vasistha | compiled! :D yay ... it still excites me so much when stuff compiles, since I've had so many past failures at compiling, before I understood The Debian Way |
| 23:58.15 | chuck | themill, i tried alsaconf, but it still doesn't work |
| 23:58.30 | st60 | with java version working good with iceweasel? i have some problems with it... |
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| 23:59.42 | chuck | hmm, i notice that alsa isn't running though, should i start it? |
| 23:59.44 | themill | st60: the sun-java5-plugin or sun-java6-plugin packages work very nicely with iceweasel over here |
| 23:59.56 | chuck | nvm |
| 23:59.59 | themill | chuck: that is required... although alsaconf should start it for you |
