IRC log for #debian on 20071210

00:00.12chuckyeah, it's not working :-(
00:00.39XwZabrotman: I've http://pastebin.ca/810484 when I execute "apt-get install postfix" and when I execute dpkg-reconfigure postfix it say "postfix is broken"
00:01.33abrotmanXwZ: can you show us the full output ?
00:02.09XwZabrotman: Yes but some message is in french :/
00:02.13abrotmanthat's fine ..
00:02.16themillXwZ: can you ls -l /usr/local/sbin/newaliases and echo $PATH
00:02.23abrotmani'll ask you if i can't decipher
00:02.29Vasisthajelly-home: where shall I look for documentation on how to set this thing up?
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00:03.23XwZthemill: $PATH = /usr/local/sbin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin:/sbin:/bin
00:03.29VasisthaXwZ: it's surprisingly easy to decipher foreign-language output from apt, once you get to know the program well
00:03.59jelly-homeVasistha: the usual doc directories, /usr/share/doc/libpam-thinkfinger/README.*
00:04.00XwZabrotman: http://pastebin.ca/810486
00:04.10Vasisthajelly-home: duh :) thanks
00:04.22abrotmanwell .. i meant the command you were typing .. but okay
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00:04.32themillabrotman: postfix.postinst runs newaliases without a path.
00:05.34abrotmanXwZ: does /usr/sbin/postalias exist ?
00:06.06jelly-homeVasistha: also, the password issue was my fault, forgot to add "try_first_pass" to pam_unix line in pam config, to let it pick up the password the first module got
00:06.16XwZabrotman: yes, ln -s /usr/sbin/postalias /usr/local/sbin/postalias ?
00:06.24Vasisthajelly-home: thanks for that note, I would probably have made the same mistake!
00:06.39abrotmanXwZ: no
00:06.40chuckYAY! SOUND WORKS! lol
00:06.46chuckwhat a weird startup sound :P
00:06.46jelly-homeVasistha: also #2, xscreensaver from debian doesn't work with it.
00:06.58Vasisthachuck: what, esd?
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00:07.40Vasisthajelly-home: aha ... hum. I wonder if I can make it work with "screen locking"
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00:08.00themillXwZ: I would suggest either moving /usr/local/sbin/newaliases out of the way or changing $PATH so that it doesn't include local and then trying to install the package. The /usr/local/sbin/newaliases is left over from an old postfix install and is causing you trouble.
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00:08.11themillXwZ: abrotman might have a simpler idea though ;)
00:08.27peterSyeah I'd say if you have stuff from an old postfix install sitting around in /usr/local, the best thing is to get rid of it
00:08.39abrotmanthemill: nothing in debian should point at /usr/local/
00:08.54XwZthemill: okay thx
00:08.54jelly-homeVasistha: I use it for gdm and su; configured with XP-like user chooser, no need to type in anything to log in
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00:09.20Vasisthajelly-home: wow, that is nice, although I'm not familiar with xp's user chooser
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00:09.41themillabrotman: postfix.postinst calls "newaliases" without a full path. $PATH has local first so the old newaliases (from source? copied from another machine? who knows) is the one that gets picked up by postinst.
00:09.49abrotmanthen his path is messed ?
00:09.50themillabrotman: That's probably really a bug in the postinst.
00:09.58Vasisthajelly-home: one thing I wonder: is it possible to set two fingers up as "synonyms" just in case I hurt a finger and have a bandage on it?
00:09.59jelly-homeVasistha: there's pictures and usernames shown, you can click on yourself and not have to type in the login
00:10.03abrotmanthemill: set -x ?
00:10.11abrotmanget more info ?
00:10.18themillabrotman: [00:03] <XwZ> themill: $PATH = /usr/local/sbin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin:/sbin:/bin
00:10.26XwZthemill: now is "postalias: fatal: open /etc/postfix/aliases: No such file or directory" :/
00:10.26jelly-homeVasistha: no idea.  You might have to *shock* type in the password!
00:10.36abrotmanthemill: that's his path .. not dpkg's
00:10.50themillabrotman: does dpkg sanitise the path?
00:10.56abrotmandoes dpkg use the same path ?
00:11.00Vasisthajelly-home: hehe. I'll see what it'll let me do. I guess that's kind of like asking a unix admin if I can have two passwords ... not likely
00:11.45jelly-homeVasistha: if you chop off the finger, log in with the password and reregister another finger
00:11.46abrotmanthemill: he could put set -x and echo $PATH at the top
00:12.07themillsounds very sensible... XwZ: ^^
00:12.24themillbut I'm going off to sleep now..... :)
00:12.41peterSjelly-home: if you can correctly type the password with a missing finger, anyway
00:12.54XwZokay good night themill and thx :)
00:12.58abrotmanthemill: you can't .. i have to go eat dindin :)
00:13.12themillabrotman: my need is greater... :)
00:13.16jelly-homepeterS: that's only a problem for touch-typers I guess
00:13.21abrotmanthemill: wanna bet? :)
00:13.25themillXwZ: no worries. good luck
00:13.36XwZthanks
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00:14.16Agiofwshats better  nfs , samba , sshfs to mounta a dir via network ?
00:14.23ice63what msg dpkg nvidia is not working to night ?
00:14.49jelly-homeAgiofws: depends on your usage patterns and amount of laziness
00:14.51Vasisthajelly-home: wow, that is odd ... I managed to get tf-tool --acquire to produce two different .bir files, and they both matched a subsequent swipe
00:15.07Vasisthaerr, (plural) subsequent swipeS
00:15.07ice63ok
00:15.22Agiofwsjelly-home,  if we cut it down to  productivuty and errorneous ?
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00:15.59XwZso ... good night
00:16.00jelly-homeAgiofws: for LAN and unix (or Linux) systems, I'd use nfs
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00:16.29jelly-homeAgiofws: for occasional touching of remote files, sshfs
00:17.02jelly-homes32aph: IT'S YOU!
00:17.14Agiofwstouching of remote files, sshfs ?
00:17.23Agiofwsis sshfs slower ?
00:17.58jelly-homeAgiofws: I mean, occasional usage.  Yes it is slowish (uses sftp as a backend)
00:18.22Agiofwsjelly-home,
00:18.34peterSVasistha: probably because fingerprint matching is always inexact - the machine won't ever read exactly the same thing twice.  so the matching algorithm has to be fuzzy
00:18.36Agiofwsi am starting to have meny hosts on  my lan
00:18.55Agiofwsso i feel like HAVING only ONE home on a server
00:18.59jelly-homeAgiofws: sshfs also has problems with mmap() and locking.  mutt using folders on sshfs complains.
00:19.05Agiofwsand ever hosts mounting it
00:19.08VasisthapeterS: hehe, and yet all of ours are also supposed to be unique!
00:19.26Agiofwsso whast the best way to go ?
00:19.38peterSunique, yes, but that doesn't mean every photograph of a fingerprint will produce a bit-identical jpeg with another photograph of the same one
00:19.39jelly-homeAgiofws: I'd go with nfs (and possibly NIS for single passwd database)
00:19.40Agiofwssamba ?
00:19.56Agiofwswhats NIS ?
00:20.06jelly-home&nis
00:20.07aptitudewell, nis is the Network Information System. It can be used to distribute files across networks. It is commonly used to maintain staff directories and files like /etc/group. Many sysadmins hate it because it is insecure. See also NFS..  Network Information Service, or http://www.levenez.com/NeXTSTEP/Xedoc.gif
00:20.12VasisthapeterS: dunno about bit-identical jpg's -- the files are on the order of 150 bytes
00:20.28VasisthapeterS: but, still a good point!
00:20.39chuckhow do i disable dhcp?
00:21.01peterSchuck: edit /etc/network/interfaces.  'man interfaces' for details.
00:21.03Vasisthachuck: /etc/network/interfaces -- set up a static ip connection
00:21.23chucki've already set that up, but whenever i do ifconfig eth0 down && ifconfig eth0 up i still get a dhcp given ip address
00:21.40Vasisthachuck: why don't you pastebin your interfaces file
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00:22.45chuckhttp://pastebin.ca/810504
00:22.49peterSchuck: also you should be using 'ifdown eth0' and 'ifup eth0' rather than running ifconfig directly
00:22.53LoneTech..or use ifup/ifdown, which actually read the interfaces file.
00:22.55jelly-homeVasistha: well, my jelly.bir and root.bir are different, too
00:23.08chuckif i do ifdown eth0, it says interface eth0 is not configured
00:23.15Vasisthajelly-home: do you use the same finger? :D
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00:23.39jelly-homeVasistha: I was tempted to use the middle one for admin purposes
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00:24.10Vasisthajelly-home: heh, I find myself similarly temped!
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00:27.47Vasisthajelly-home: I wonder if your scanner is not properly grounded, and if it might have built up some static charge
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00:28.43chuckso how can i disable dhcp?
00:29.12brendan_rc-update -f dhcpd remove
00:29.23brendan_or whatever the dhcp init script is called
00:29.33chuckrc-update: command not found lol
00:29.59chuckmaybe if i restart it'll work
00:30.00brendan_ooops update-rc.d
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00:30.14petemcyou want to stop the dhcp client, which is controlled in /etc/network/interfaces
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00:30.40DustyBindoes anybody here use tripwire?
00:30.46Gnurduxah yes
00:30.58Gnurduxchuck, what you do is edit /etc/network/interfaces
00:31.02SamuraiDiothe nvidia modules on the repos are just for the graphics card?
00:31.04Gnurduxreplace the word dhcp with static
00:31.49chuckGnurdux, i already did
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00:33.04Trampchuck: Did you killall dhclient? It may still be running in the background, thinking it's in charge.
00:33.35jelly-homeTramp: is it dhclient or dhclient3?
00:33.54Trampjelly-home: hmm. not sure any of those beasts 8)
00:34.01jelly-homeTramp: or does killall match even substrings
00:34.15chuckrestarting fixed it, but now, the network widget in the toolbar is broken lol
00:34.59Vasisthachuck: are you using networkmanager ? because networkmanager does not support static IP; and is mutually exclusive of /etc/network/interfaces
00:35.18Trampjelly-home: definitely not - but I think chuck is savvy enough to get the idea.
00:36.03chuckVasistha, okay, it works, that's all that matters
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00:36.58jelly-homeNetworkManager is 3v1l.
00:37.40jelly-homedaemons with CamelCase names must be evil.  They do not follow the true unix way.
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00:39.12SamuraiDiohow can i see my motherboards vendor and model?
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00:39.53jelly-homeSamuraiDio: lshw, or dmidecode, there are probably more
00:40.20jelly-home&whats my hardware
00:40.21aptitudeYou can use lspci, lsusb, lsscsi, lspcmcia, lshal, hwinfo, dmidecode, and/or lshw to find out what kind of hardware your machine might have, or or you could crack the lid and look inside ... oooh, shiny!
00:41.24jelly-home&what's in my pockets
00:41.24aptitudelint
00:42.07SamuraiDiojelly-home, tnx
00:42.24SamuraiDio&thanks
00:42.25aptitudeSamuraiDio: pas de quoi
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00:51.33Vasisthahow can I know whether my system is using pam for authentication?
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00:52.06grazzyou will see a lot of pam messages in the logs
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00:52.52simonrvn/var/log/auth.log
00:53.11Vasisthaaha :)
00:53.25simonrvnuse 'debug' flag in /etc/pam.d files to make it spit out crap
00:53.26Throathm and dpkg -l \*pam\*
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00:54.43VasisthaI see that it is indeed in use -- so, now that I have changed common-auth, how do I get it to reread the pam configs and ask for a finger swipe?
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00:54.56englaI'm happy as a clam; I just installed debian/testing, went over from ubuntu since ppc is not supported anymore. The new gnome is nifty, but the best thing is that my computer is much faster now :)
00:55.09heatmzzr_does debian use KDE?
00:55.11simonrvnlog in on another term
00:55.15Vasisthaengla: oh yeah? glad to hear it :)  debian's pretty light-weight
00:55.17jelly-homeVasistha: just run the login method you use again (ie. log in again)
00:55.27simonrvnheatmzzr_: no, it distributes kde
00:55.35VasisthaI *thought* I tried that ... I guess I'll try a vt
00:55.40grazzdebian rules, i just switched from ubuntu
00:55.51simonrvndebian/rules
00:55.54heatmzzr_new to all this. so ubuntu dist. gnome?
00:55.55Throatsimonrvn, hehe, good answer :) Was thinking along that lines
00:56.02Throats/that/those/
00:56.13englaVasistha: I'm astounded that gedit can start in less than 2 secs. the normal was 5-10 or something
00:56.24englaI have no idea why the difference is so big but
00:56.26simonrvnThroat: good answer for what?
00:56.40Throatsimonrvn, debian <-> kde
00:56.41heatmzzr_using ubuntu now, is debian better?
00:56.43Vasisthaheatmzzr_: debian's default de is gnome, but it also distributes installable kde and (I believe) xfce discs
00:56.51simonrvnThroat: oh, hehe
00:57.01jelly-homeheatmzzr_: you're on #debian ... what answer do you expect?
00:57.06grazzhaha
00:57.15grazzi switched to debian because ubuntu is too inflexible
00:57.18heatmzzr_well i hoped to find someone who has tried both
00:57.25Vasisthaengla: that is odd. I am not so astonished that there is a substantial speed difference between my old 333 MHz machine and the new 1.8 GHz one, though.
00:57.26grazzif you're a normal user i guess ubuntu is friendlier
00:57.34grazzif that's a real word
00:57.38simonrvnso ask for that then ;). be direct :)
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00:58.14Vasisthagrazz: it may be easier to get started with ubuntu, for many users, who want certain things to "just work" out-of-box. ubuntu also has much better support for sony vaio systems
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00:58.37Throatheatmzzr_, is an oak better than a pine?
00:58.37englaVasistha: well it's the same ibook
00:58.45heatmzzr_Vasistha, I use a vaio laptop
00:59.16grazzVasistha, yeap, i don't like things to just work, so i switched
00:59.31grazzfaster, more flexible
00:59.35heatmzzr_throat, i understand.. just got rid of vista yesterday for linux, just want to make a good informed choice.. try not to step over a quarter to pick up a dime
00:59.40Vasisthaheatmzzr_: oh, do you? you should probably do some research before you switch to debian -- vaios have lots of weird proprietary hardware. The folks at ubuntu have done a lot of work getting the kernel to support them, but not much of that has made its way back to debian
01:00.12grazzare you using gutsy?
01:00.29heatmzzr_huh?
01:00.38grazzubuntu
01:00.57Vasisthajelly-home, simonrvn : tried VT, still no finger-love :P
01:01.02heatmzzr_ubuntu 710. i dunno
01:01.08VasisthaI should have said finger-login-love
01:01.10grazzyeah, gutsy
01:01.10heatmzzr_just put it on last night
01:01.24Penixheh
01:01.35simonrvns,gutsy,pusty, :P
01:01.36grazzwell, if you switch to debian stable, the packages are older
01:01.45grazzthan the gutsy ones
01:02.01simonrvndebian has different goals for stable
01:02.02jelly-homeVasistha: pastebin your /etc/pam.d/{common-auth,login}
01:02.44simonrvnputsy*
01:03.04heatmzzr_guess i could just try it out
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01:04.02jelly-homeVasistha: my common-auth: http://pastebin.ca/810528
01:04.15Vasisthajelly-home: http://rafb.net/p/4KWAzX63.html
01:04.37jelly-homelooks about right
01:05.16Vasisthajelly-home: does it need a *gasp* restart or something? or maybe rmmod / modprobe?
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01:05.35Vasisthano pam in lsmod, that couldn't be it :)
01:06.04jelly-homeVasistha: no, and no.  uinput is loaded, right?
01:06.24Vasisthajelly-home: nope :) modprobe?
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01:06.29jelly-homeVasistha: yeah
01:06.35jelly-homeVasistha: it's in the docs
01:06.50Vasisthayay!
01:07.52Vasisthajelly-home: hehe ... just fixed try_first_pass :)
01:09.03Vasisthaooooooh this is so nice! I wonder if it'll "just work" with kdm
01:09.10ThroatVasistha, what was that restart-thingy you were talking about?
01:09.12jelly-homeVasistha: now convince xscreensaver maintainer to apply the patch needed for pam_thinkfinger to work
01:09.27jelly-homeVasistha: I think kdm doesn't work either; I've switched to gdm
01:09.38Vasisthajelly-home: ouch.
01:10.10VasisthaThroat: I just needed to modprobe uinput, so I could login with a fingerprint swipe
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01:11.56englaVasistha: I think I realized why. It could be the simple fact that I haven't installed powernowd; it's a cpu scaling daemon, but it's userspace so it's far from optimal. but i don't htink there is better for my cpu
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01:12.12jelly-homeengla: which cpu is it?
01:12.16dtohello. what's the Debian Way to install gkrellm themes?
01:12.17englaso I used to run on 600 MHz (half speed), but ramp up to 1.2 when neede
01:12.27englait's a powerpc G4 74xx
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01:12.35Vasisthadto: I believe there are some gkrellm themes in the repos
01:12.41Vasisthadto: ...so, with aptitude :)
01:12.51engla7447A it is says system monitor. :)
01:12.56dtoeh, maybe i should use conky
01:12.56engla1.2 GHz
01:13.00dtoi liked conky a lot
01:13.02jelly-homeengla: it doesn't work with cpufreq_ondemand?
01:13.21jelly-homeengla: I mean, ondemand governor?
01:13.37englajelly-home: not last time I checked, but that was on kernel 2.6.17
01:14.07englahm I noticed my first bug; totem is at 200M RSS. And it's playing mp3's :)
01:14.26Throathm... apropos powersaving when I plug out this laptop, wmbattery reports 5 minutes after 2-3 minutes
01:14.39engla*wait, it's playing wavs
01:14.48Throatthat can't be right, can it?
01:15.08Throatooh
01:15.30Throatit's 3 hours, 40 minutes... and it did show 5 hours, something, not 5 minutes
01:15.35dto:)
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01:16.05englajelly-home: currently in /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/scaling_available_governors I only have "performance"
01:16.32engladto: then you'll be able to run 20 instances of totem before you run out of memory :P
01:16.41dtoheh
01:16.51dtono, i plan to run emacs, csound, that kind of stuff
01:17.10jelly-homeengla: modprobe cpufreq-ondemand
01:17.14LiMaO4gb ram yummi yummi.. but i already have a dual core @ 3.2ghz/core =P
01:17.16dtoengla: wanna see? this was the prototype: http://dto.freeshell.org/notebook/KarmaPod.html
01:17.25LiMaOeven though 2gb ram has been running fine
01:17.45jelly-homeengla: and be amazed at the feature added by the freshly loaded kernel module!
01:17.58englajelly-home: it seems :)
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01:18.30englajelly-home: I'll try to set it to ondemand now and see if it explodes
01:18.43jelly-homeengla: well, stop the daemon first.
01:19.07englajelly-home: there is no daemon on this system
01:19.15jelly-homeengla: oh!
01:19.24englathat was the previous install
01:19.42ThroatLiMaO, hehe... when you think back - it's really not a long time ago, when we considered 4GB plenty of harddisk-space....
01:19.46englaI honestly think ondemand is not available, since doing this "echo ondemand > /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/scaling_governor"
01:19.53Vasisthajelly-home: so, what do you think of the trackpoint? I'm trying to get used to it... it's very convenient that it's so close, but I find that it is difficult to do small movements, in the 10-100 pixel range, accurately
01:20.08englareturns "bash: echo: skrivfel: Ogiltigt argument" which is "Invalid argument"
01:20.09Throatactually it's not so long ago, that 4 GB of harddisk space were unthinkable....
01:20.45jelly-homeVasistha: I only use the trackpoint and plan on spending 90EUR on a separate keyboard with trackpoint for work
01:21.01Throat"640kb of RAM is more memory than a computer will ever need"
01:21.06jelly-homeVasistha: mouses suck.  pads suck worse.
01:21.30LiMaOThroat: it's not our fault. we don't keep that many files, but the files did grow bigger. once upon a time an mp3 was the biggest thing one would share. nowadays dvds are flying thru the wires of cyberspace very fast =P it's time for the gurus to work on different compression schemes =P
01:21.40Vasisthajelly-home: I hear the same thing from other people -- nobody who gets used to a trackpoint wants to use anything else :)  with practice, have you gotten better with the trackpoint, so you can do those small movements quickly + accurately?
01:21.54VasisthaI find myself frequently overshooting my target :P
01:22.33jelly-homeVasistha: I'm not doing anything with graphics, but for normal clicking on apps' buttons and sliders, it works
01:22.41Vasisthait's super for going all the way across the screen to a 50-pixel radius, but then within that 50-100 pixel area, I'm a mess!
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01:23.12Vasisthamaybe I just need to slow down the acceleration a bit
01:23.38jelly-homeVasistha: dunno, I can select your line of text (written in 8point font) with no problems
01:24.24moope1!sec
01:24.30moope1!sed
01:24.42jelly-homemoope1: /msg aptitude stuff
01:24.51Trewaswith thinkpad X41 at least the default "hat" in the trackpoint is pretty abysmal, changing to another one that came with the laptop was much better and for normal use I don't miss a mouse at all
01:25.01Vasisthajelly-home: maybe I
01:25.06Vasisthaerm, I'll just get used to it
01:25.09moope1:( aptitude??!!?? what happened to dpkg?
01:25.21jelly-homemoope1: it's dead at present
01:25.34moope1jelly-home: what happened?
01:25.37VasisthaI'm certainly using it! I intentionally got a T42 (with touchpad) because I didn't think I would use the trackpoint! now look at me! hah!
01:25.51jelly-homemoope1: that's all I know
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01:26.21moope1I heard something about dondecairo...and a hotel room
01:26.46TrewasI wonder why all the laptop makers put touchpads, which are utterly and completely useless, in laptops while trackpoint would be even cheaper to make
01:26.48jelly-homemoope1: & is aptitude's action character if you want it to tell stuff to the channel
01:27.09moope1doesnt seem to be working either
01:27.15moope1&beer
01:27.16aptitudebeer is, like, liquid gold mate
01:27.17VasisthaTrewas: I think touchpads are easier to learn
01:27.19moope1ah
01:27.21jelly-homeTrewas: and pay IBM bucks for the patent?
01:27.32Vasisthawell, everyone pays synaptic :P
01:27.35sauvinTrackpoints are like trackballs?
01:27.43jelly-homesauvin: god no
01:27.46Vasisthasauvin: no, it's the eraser-head in the middle of the keyboard
01:27.51moope1sauvin: nipples
01:27.56sauvinOh, I hated those.
01:27.56jelly-homeclit.
01:28.01Trewasjelly-home: is there are patent? the idea is quite joystick-like which should be pretty old idea...
01:28.05moope1jelly-home!
01:28.20VasisthaTrewas: I think it's patentable
01:28.33moope1stay in the shallow end
01:28.41jelly-homemoope1: what?  It's red and pointy and responds to the lightest touch
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01:28.49moope1thats all I needed to learn
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01:28.50Vasisthasauvin: did you ever really try? I thought I hated it too, but I've just purchased this t42, and the thing is so darn convenient, it's right there, you don't have to move your hands...
01:29.28sauvinYMMV, I suppose. I like my touchpad.
01:29.39Trewasit almost responds to your thought, after getting used to it :P
01:29.44moope1&sed
01:29.45aptitudemethinks sed is a stream editor. A stream editor is used to perform basic text transformations on an input stream (a file or input from a pipeline). Sed is located at ftp://ftp.gnu.org/pub/gnu/sed/ or a pain in the ass, or see http://www-h.eng.cam.ac.uk/help/tpl/unix/sed.html for common usages. See http://sed.sourceforge.net/ for download, docs, books, scripts, etc. Also google "paolo bonzini sed" or /j #sed, or http://sed.sourceforge.net/sed1line.txt
01:29.55moope1weird, It wont accept messages
01:30.12moope1nick mooper
01:30.23jelly-homemoope1: maybe it's not set up to accept messages from non-registered users
01:30.26Vasisthasauvin: yeah, me too -- I'm wondering if I'm going to get used to this trackpoint, and be as smooth with it as I am with the touchpad -- or if I will always be clumsy with the trackpoint. Listen to me talk, though, that's nonsense, of course I'll get good with the trackpoint :)
01:30.28jelly-homehttp://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/appropriate_term.png
01:31.02moope1Vasistha: get a little mouse
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01:31.19Vasisthamoope1: that's even further away from my typing hands than the touchpad!
01:31.32TrewasVasistha: but really, for me it made a huge difference to change to another "hat" in the trackpoint, the default one worked fine only when going up-left
01:31.37sauvinAs I've said, YMMV. Different people have different strengths and weaknesses, and therefore different things to like or dislike.
01:31.52moope1Vasistha: wtf, get your ass on the stairmaster
01:32.02Vasisthamoope1: haha!!! :)
01:32.13Vasisthamoope1: it's not about laziness, it's about quickness
01:32.30ice63hmm can some one in here tell me how to install the legace drivers for nvidia pl
01:32.33jelly-homefor me it's about the pain in the right hand
01:32.45moope1jelly-home: Im sure it is
01:32.56Vasistha!nvidia
01:33.00Vasistha&nvidia
01:33.00aptitudeTo use an NVIDIA graphics card with Debian, see http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers. If you've done it before, ask me about <nvidia one-liner> for a reminder.
01:33.07Vasisthaice63: ^^^
01:33.13ice63ok
01:33.35Vasisthajelly-home: mouse -> carpel tunnel ?
01:33.45moope1YAY, I think I have just got my head around sed, grep and regex
01:33.59jelly-homeVasistha: more than the keyboard, yes
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01:34.17Vasisthamoope1: good ... remember, sed -r is like grep -E (and egrep)
01:34.20jelly-homes/moope1//g
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01:35.01SamuraiDiohey friends...
01:35.12ice63Vasistha: dpkg is not working here
01:35.24Vasisthaice63: so ask aptitude
01:35.37ice63k
01:35.44moope1jelly-home: :(
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01:36.32SamuraiDioi have a nforce chipset motherboard. my sound device is an hda-intel, alsaconf recognizes it and say that its configured, but alsamixer shows only two channels, and i have no sound (but receive no errors when reproducing audio)
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01:36.40engla_sometimes linux is fantastic. for example, you remove evolution (purge the evil thing) and instantly, the shortcut icon in the panel is corrupted and replaced by a placeholder icon
01:37.08SamuraiDiohow can i know if the alsa module is correct installed and install it if not?
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01:38.11Azarhello honorables
01:40.01Azarwoohoo! the shiny new Debian reference is up!
01:40.04grazzcrap
01:40.12Azar800)] [Act: 1,2]
01:40.23Azarcrap I can't paste?
01:40.30grazzif the mmc suport isn't compiled in the kernel, is there another way to make it work?
01:40.39Vasisthadto: fyi, redundant raid is best done with two slightly different drives -- if a manufacturing defect occurs, multiple drives in the same "batch" can all fail at the same time
01:40.44Azarhttp://people.debian.org/~osamu/pub/getwiki/en_US.UTF-8/
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01:41.20moope1Vasistha: have you tried to tell IBM that?
01:41.58Vasisthamoope1: of course not :) just letting him know since he seems to have a redundant raid with two identical disks
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01:43.54dashsSamuraiDio: lsmod |grep snd (as root)
01:44.09SamuraiDiothe card driver appear there
01:44.34SamuraiDiobut i have only two channels, no sound, no mic
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01:44.48dtoVasistha: wow, i never thought of that
01:45.04dtoVasistha: i just bought a Maxtor as a third backup
01:45.08dto500GB
01:45.19dtoand another 500GB offsite backup
01:45.19dashsSamuraiDio: with lots of other snd modules we hope
01:45.40Azarman that guy kicked ass with that new Reference, even a granny could understand it
01:46.02Vasisthadto: that's good :)  of course, one usually wants raid mirror drives to be .. uh .. similar .. so it's awfully tempting to go with two identical ones, esp. if you find a deal. Alas, life just isn't always that easy.
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01:46.32SamuraiDiodashs, http://pastebin.com/d6ea02dda
01:46.37VasisthaSamuraiDio: it may just be that sound is muted in, e.g., kmix
01:46.45SamuraiDiono
01:47.47moope1dto, It pays to try and mix em up
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01:49.13sander_Why aint the hostname added in ~/.ssh/known_hosts anymore?.. seems like a crypted string is added there instead.
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01:49.39sander_I think that changed when I upgraded my debian box
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01:50.22Trampsander_: man ssh_config, search for Hash
01:50.36mbroekerwow: i updated lenny right now and my kaddressbook lost their groupware data... now they are back :)
01:50.39Vasisthadto: for the future ... sata cables are really slim, compared to ide! :)
01:51.14cockroachis there a 54mbps wlan chipset which works flawlessly under linux?
01:51.32Azareverytime you decide to upgrade to a higher version (testing), do backups, lots of changes might happen
01:51.46Vasisthacockroach: I dunno what you mean by "flawlessly" but the prism and madwifi/atheros projects are both very mature
01:52.00Trampsander_: ah, and considering the "Why" - some people consider it a security feature
01:52.18sander_Tramp, Yeah. What I belived.
01:52.28mbroekerAzar, yes: the plugins, needed to access a extern groupware is now located in a different package(kdepim-kresources)
01:52.32sander_Thanks
01:52.35heatmanHello, what would u guys recommend for a firewall to install on a etch box that is used as a http/ftp server?
01:52.39cockroachVasistha: i keep getting kernel panics with madwifi under heavy load, don't know about prism yet. i'll have a look at that one, thanks
01:52.44dtoVasistha: those are old pics. the new machine has 3 sata drives :-)
01:53.02dtoVasistha: new pics are at http://dto.freeshell.org/images/x2-preview-*.jpg
01:53.10Azarmbroeker: yeah mainly with 3rd party desktops strange things happen
01:53.24Vasisthadto: ah :) I'll probably stop reading once I get through this...
01:53.24dashs<PROTECTED>
01:53.40Vasisthaheatman: I find guarddog is easy to configure
01:54.05heatmanVasistha: does it offer good protections?
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01:54.38Vasisthaheatman: it uses linux's built-in iptables. You can configure it however you want...
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01:55.03heatmanVasistha: ok tyvm
01:59.57Vasisthadto: congrats on your karmapod success :)  how much did the whole thing end up costing, anyway? $2k or so?
02:00.43dheare island on the world which are swimming?
02:01.47dtoVasistha: well, the new one cost about $4k including a number of other pieces of gear
02:02.44Vasisthadto: ah, quite a bit more. the "new one", huh? a whole new project to accomodate newer hardware and more fun toys?
02:03.04sander_<PROTECTED>
02:03.37Azarsander_: maybe the device is disabled on BIOS
02:03.52Azarlike I did with my new SATA box... I did disabled it
02:03.55Azarin BIOS
02:04.05sander_Last time I checked, it was enabled
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02:04.21sander_I got two identical sata drives in raid1
02:04.32Azaruh two..
02:04.34sander_I want to be able to boot from both drives, if one fails
02:04.45sander_grub-install /dev/sda works
02:05.00abrotmanyou want hardware raid ?
02:05.10Azarah mister abrotman! :) good evening
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02:05.15sander_No. I have installed software raid with mdadm
02:05.17abrotmanhi
02:05.35xacierhow do i extract files from an *.iso file?
02:05.42xacierwhat util? what method?
02:06.00engla_xacier: mount it loopback
02:06.15sander_xacier, mount -o loop file.iso /mnt/test
02:06.28xacieroka :) thx let me try
02:06.46engla_it seems file-roller will open an iso file too though
02:06.52engla_but that will probably eat ram
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02:11.11xacierum it is saying mount: can't find /mnt/test in /etc/fstab or /etc/mtab
02:11.11xaciermount: can't find /mnt/test in /etc/fstab or /etc/mtab
02:11.25abrotmanwhat was the command you used?
02:11.43xaciermount -o loop file.iso /mnt/test
02:12.10abrotmanxacier: mkdir -p /mnt/test/
02:12.18xaciersorry for the redundancy, my mousy got a little screwed up
02:12.33SamuraiDiohow can i erase all gpg key i got for apt-get??
02:12.58abrotmanSamuraiDio: why?
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02:13.37xacierit is still saying the same thing abro
02:14.27xacieri just want to extract some files from an *.iso file
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02:14.55SamuraiDioabrotman, i dont know, but my sources are acting strange
02:15.16SamuraiDioabrotman, i have an opera repository on may sources list, buti cant search/install opera
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02:15.33SamuraiDiobut on other machine, with the same sources.list, i can
02:15.50xaciergo download from opera.com
02:15.51SamuraiDioan cannot also install the win32codecs package from debian-multimedia
02:15.53xacierand dpkg
02:16.03SamuraiDioi preffer install from aptitude
02:16.10xacieryou can't
02:16.21engla_xacier: I think you have to specify the filesystem type. perhaps "mount -o loop -t iso9660 file.iso /mount/point"
02:16.22abrotmanSamuraiDio: did you aptitude update ?
02:16.28Edgardoweb| ¡Feliz Navidad! | :D
02:16.30SamuraiDiosure
02:16.41Edgardowebhappy Day :D
02:16.47xacierdebian doesn't distribute opera
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02:17.19PythonNinjaxacier: he said he had an opera source
02:17.29PythonNinjaand besides, apt-get install opera worked for me on etch a while back
02:18.20xacierthx engla, it works now
02:18.47abrotmanPythonNinja: not from debian
02:18.57SamuraiDioabrotman, some clue?
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02:19.12abrotmanSamuraiDio: need to see an error .. dont' forget to run aptitude update && apt-get update
02:19.16VasisthaSamuraiDio: I use opera's debian repo, and it works great ...
02:20.01SamuraiDioVasistha, aptitude search opera returns the versions avaiable?
02:20.27VasisthaSamuraiDio: if you run apt-get update, you should see some messages about it checking the repo ... you also might want to install their apt key
02:20.44VasisthaSamuraiDio: yup
02:21.04SamuraiDioVasistha, i installed the apt-key
02:21.16VasisthaSamuraiDio: ...and the former?
02:21.56Vasisthatimes like these I wish I could have embraced irssi :P gotta restart x
02:21.57SamuraiDiowhat?
02:22.09VasisthaSamuraiDio: apt-get update, look for messages about checking the opera repo
02:22.13doooooAll third-party repos are not working (debian sid) with the error  "Could not connect to localhost:4001 (127.0.0.1). - connect (111 Connection refused)" / any idea why ?
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02:22.36abrotmandooooo: nslookup <hostname>
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02:24.51dooooo$ nslookup http://download.tuxfamily.org/deb4gilir/avant-window-navigator/Server:  192.168.15.1Address:192.168.15.1#53** server can't find http://download.tuxfamily.org/deb4gilir/avant-window-navigator/: SERVFAIL
02:24.51SamuraiDio&bin
02:24.52aptitudemethinks bin is where you put rubbish, or your little brother/sister, or your copy of Windows 98
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02:25.07SamuraiDio&paste
02:25.08aptitudeDo not paste more than 3 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://channels.debian.net/paste/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics.
02:25.35doooooI can brose all repos from iceweasle / they are not connecting in apt
02:26.17dooooo** server can't find http://download.tuxfamily.org/deb4gilir/avant-window-navigator/: SERVFAIL
02:26.45Penixnow that there's a graphical installer, I wonder what all those "Debian is hard. Gimme a GUI install!" lusers are whining about now...
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02:26.59ocZiohi all, I am looking for a good wireless security book (wep/wpa and general advices for securing a network) do you know some?
02:27.26Penixhopefully it means their retard demands have been satisfied and they're all too busy drooling
02:27.41abrotmandooooo: does your ISP proxy it perhaps ?
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02:28.15VasisthaPenix: I dunno, maybe all the non-free stuff that's not all that easy to install+configure
02:28.36VasisthaocZio: when looking for technical books, I think "O'Reilly"
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02:29.08Azarwhere is dpkg?
02:30.04abrotmanAzar: toast
02:30.16AzarPenix: ask Torvalds about Debian install
02:30.24Azarabrotman: huh? dpkg broken?
02:30.39Penixyeah, cause I really care what he has to say about it
02:30.54PenixAzar: dead
02:31.04abrotmanhe also uses kde .. he isn't always right :)
02:31.09Azarlike in.. totally dead?
02:31.19Penixwhat's it matter anyway?
02:31.26Penixaptitude: poke Azar
02:31.49Azardpkg died when he penixstroke penix
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02:31.58berathey someone there
02:32.02Penixno
02:32.05PythonNinjanope
02:32.13PenixAzar: caught him drinking on the job
02:33.41abrotmanbastard bot kept doing stuff like "emerge build-essential ROFL"
02:33.55Azaremerge? rofl
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02:34.25Azarbadly corrupted
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02:37.03Azarso the experimental is now called xapian?
02:37.37biopyte.
02:37.38abrotmanhuh ?
02:37.44Azarwhere exactly is experimental located? between testing and sid or above sid?
02:37.56abrotman&experimental
02:37.56aptitudeexperimental is the bleeding edge of Debian Development. Packages here have been deemed unfit/DANGEROUS/untrustworthy/etc for release by the maintainer responsible for them. DO NOT INSTALL PACKAGES FROM EXPERIMENTAL WITHOUT KNOWING EXACTLY WHY AND WHAT YOU ARE DOING. #debian does not support experimental. for an actual description, see section 4.6.4.3 of the Developer's Reference, or http://packages.debian.org/experimental/
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02:38.31engla_I wonder when lenny is going to be released. is there a plan?
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02:38.35Pencilhey guys what is this debian livE?
02:38.39abrotmanengla_: WIR, SIYH
02:38.40Pencili heard so much about on the ps3
02:38.42Azarabrotman: I was wondering what xapian is: as in : http://packages.debian.org/experimental/apt-xapian-index
02:38.49abrotmanAzar: it's a program
02:38.57Azarahhh thanks
02:39.00abrotmanPencil: you want a liceCD?
02:39.02abrotmanliveCD
02:39.09Pencila licecd?
02:39.18Penciloh live cd? no no, i just wonder what iti s.
02:39.19Azarhey, hey no
02:39.27Pencilbecause i was thinking if i can put a gaming server on my ps3
02:39.27abrotmanAzar: read the rest of the email http://www.xapian.org/
02:39.30grazzagh, why the heck does ubuntu detect my mmc reader and debian doesn't
02:39.42abrotmangrazz: different kernels?
02:39.47Pencilbecause the games out for the ps3 arent so all that, so i figured for the meantime id have some fun and put a gaming server on my ps3.
02:39.50grazzim using the same version
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02:39.52Azarcuz debian is better
02:39.57doooooI just noticed , http repos only are not connecting / any idea why ?
02:39.59engla_abrotman: I don't really get it
02:40.00grazzim looking for the ubuntu patches for the kernel
02:40.05abrotmanPencil: send me your PS3 ?
02:40.07grazzto see if the answer is there
02:40.10SamuraiDiocan someone gimme a hand: http://pastebin.com/daf4a6f5?
02:40.18abrotmanengla_: there is no firm plan
02:40.24Azardooooo: paste your sources.list in a paster
02:40.31PenixPencil: gaming server for what? I doubt there's any commerical linux game servers built for the PS3
02:40.42Penixor, built for PS3 Linux rather
02:41.01Pencilreally?
02:41.11Pencildamn my hopes were crushed =P
02:41.18Pencili was hoping to put like CS on it or something.
02:41.49Penixit's not an x86 box
02:42.01abrotmanit's PPC isn't it?
02:42.03Pencilouch.
02:42.06Pencilwhat is it then?
02:42.07abrotmanaren't most of the game servers binary only?
02:42.10Penixyes. a bizzare powerpc based arch
02:42.14Penixabrotman: yeah
02:42.18Pencildamn
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02:42.38biopyteok
02:43.31biopytewhat?
02:43.31Pencilso i cant host any gaming servfers on my ps3.
02:43.41Pencilthanks for saving me a BUNCH of time haha.
02:44.15biopytesorry
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02:45.00dooooomy sources.list :
02:45.01dooooodeb ftp://ftp.fr.debian.org/debian/ unstable main contrib non-free
02:45.07dooooodeb-src ftp://ftp.fr.debian.org/debian/ unstable main contrib non-free
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02:45.15dooooodeb ftp://ftp.de.debian.org/debian/ stable main contrib non-free
02:45.20Azarwow
02:45.22dooooodeb ftp://ftp.uk.debian.org/debian/ testing main contrib non-free
02:45.26Azaromg
02:45.28dooooodeb ftp://debian.netcologne.de/debian-multimedia.org unstable main
02:45.34dooooodeb ftp://download.tuxfamily.org/deb4gilir/avant-window-navigator/ unstable main
02:45.59abrotman&paste
02:46.00aptitudeDo not paste more than 3 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://channels.debian.net/paste/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics.
02:46.00pipelineI don't understand the appeal to PS3 linux.  It's awfully damned expensive for what it does, unless you need the peculiarities of the Cell SPEs.
02:46.03Azardooooo: do you ever god forbid do a aptitude update/upgrade?
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02:46.26Azaryou do?
02:46.36SamuraiDiohi
02:46.43SamuraiDioi'm having problem with alsa
02:46.55doooooI've been having a problem with most of my 3-party repos (mostly http)
02:47.10doooooI always updte/dist-upgrade
02:47.18Azardooooo: you got your Debian really cabbaged there: all three versions? wtf?
02:47.37Azarit is ment to run only One version man
02:47.41SamuraiDioi installed the unstable version of alsa base (Versão: 1.0.15-3) but i still have the Version 1.0.14 being loaded
02:47.52AzarEtch, or Lenny or Sid: not all three at the same time
02:47.52doooooall upgrades upstream / no problem for me in official repos
02:48.23Pencilhmm
02:48.26doooooexample of my problem :
02:48.31Pencilso whats the point of debian live?
02:48.34doooooftp://download.tuxfamily.org/deb4gilir/avant-window-navigator/ unstable main /works
02:48.38Azardooooo: if I am not mistaken you get conflicting updates/upgrades with all that sources in
02:48.40abrotmanPencil: it's a livecd
02:48.52abrotmandooooo: so what is broken ?
02:49.03dooooohttp://download.tuxfamily.org/deb4gilir/avant-window-navigator/ unstable main / connection error
02:49.08Azarabrotman: his http sources are not connecting he say
02:49.17dooooowhy http repos not connecting ?
02:49.25abrotmandooooo: your ISP might proxy it
02:50.11Pencila livecd?
02:50.15Pencilwhat do you mean by that]
02:50.19abrotman&livecd
02:50.20aptitudefrom memory, livecd is an operating system that can boot and run directly from CD.  Linux-based examples are Knoppix and Ubuntu.  Useful as a rescue cd or for showing off to your geek friends.  Debian may one day have its own LiveCD http://alioth.debian.org/projects/debian-live/ or http://live.debian.net/ or #debian-live on oftc
02:50.23SamuraiDioi installed the unstable version of alsa base (Versão: 1.0.15-3) but i still have the Version 1.0.14 being loaded
02:50.36doooooSorry if that is a silly question : Is there a diffrence between browsing a repo (via iceweasle) or trying to connect via apt ?
02:50.51Azarabrotman: you got the chance to read the new rules for the MIA Debian Dev project?
02:51.01abrotmanAzar: i'm not a DD .. and i'm not MIA :)
02:51.15Azarheh, right, how didn't I thought of
02:51.48Azardooooo ever read a Debian Reference? I got a really shiny new one if you want
02:52.21dooooosend the link
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02:52.44Azarhttp://people.debian.org/~osamu/pub/getwiki/en_US.UTF-8/ch03.html#id376700
02:53.01Azarthats bookmarked exactly where you need it
02:53.17engla_I'm upgrading pretty massively; anyone know of a good guide how to upgrade one's home dir without messing up settings, and not carrying over cruft? I'd liek to find a guide on that
02:53.33Azaroops what do you know: "Do not include testing or unstable in /etc/apt/sources.list"
02:54.02abrotmanAzar: that's not his main issue
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02:54.15Azarabrotman: no, just "among other things"
02:55.02castengla_: hmm, never came accross such a guide. not sure if one exists, in light of the 1000's of apps that potentially create things in ~/.*
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02:55.22castengla_: what i do is move it all to /home/olduser, and mv things over as i find i need em
02:55.25abrotmancast: it's easy .. `ls -a` .. and look :)
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02:56.06doooooThanks Azar
02:56.20Azardooooo: more than welcome
02:57.35engla_cast: I was wondering if I was going to create a new home dir by symlinking to all toplevel dirs in the old home and just copy the preferences. since I might want to go back. but that would eb really messy
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02:57.57engla_cast: also I would like to do almost everythingi at once, else it will rot and be forgotten
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02:57.59PDaniwhen i install packages with apt-get, how can i display the exact repository where apt will download the packages from? i mean, from testing, or stable...
02:58.03man_in_shackwhat's the best method to run one distro inside another?
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02:59.00AzarPDani: the source line to the repository located in /etc/apt/sources.list tells you: etch(stable), lenny(testing) or sid(unstable)
02:59.24PDaniAzar: i use apt-pinning
02:59.25Azargood evening mister LoRez
02:59.26abrotmanPDani: apt-cache policy <pkg> or apt-get --print-uris
02:59.35PDaniabrotman: thx
02:59.41man_in_shacki have a sid system running and i want to run stable and testing in vms
02:59.42abrotmanman_in_shack: you can use some virtualization
02:59.56abrotmanman_in_shack: i use qemu to run other stuff .. it's not fast .. but it's easy enough
03:00.05castman_in_shack: if its in debian vserver will work fine [got gentoo running from a stage3 tarball, or you could use xen of qemu/kvm
03:00.15Pencilso guys
03:00.19Azarabrotman, what is apt-pinning?
03:00.19Pencilwhats th ebenefits of livecd?
03:00.26abrotman&pinning
03:00.27aptitudeIf you are running stable, don't pin; use a backport. Ask me about <backports> or <simple sid backport>. If you're using testing, man apt_preferences or see http://wiki.debian.org/AptPinning.
03:00.41man_in_shackvserver is a kernel thing?
03:00.48Azarthanks
03:00.50castman_in_shack: like a freebsd jail
03:01.12SamuraiDioi installed the unstable version of alsa base (Versão: 1.0.15-3) but i still have the Version 1.0.14 being loaded
03:01.16castman_in_shack: it's probably the fastest option
03:01.23SamuraiDiohow can i update the alsa drivers?
03:01.24man_in_shackhm
03:02.36PDanihm...
03:03.14PDanii gave higher pin-priority to etch than testing, but when i run apt-get install libc6, it tries to download the one from testing...
03:03.18PDanihow is it possible?
03:03.49man_in_shacki do want a fast method, but i'm unsure about doing things to the kernel
03:04.40PDaniany idea?
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03:05.55AzarPDani: maybe is trying to get the newest one it sees?
03:05.57dashs<PROTECTED>
03:07.04Azarif say you would only have the etch sources, and the lenny sources #commented, it could say something like : you already have the newest libc6 version...0 updated ... 0 installed..blabla
03:07.05PDanioh, release a=etch was the buggy line... it must be release a=stable
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03:08.11Azarwell, etch, stable same thing
03:08.50doooooalright / I had a problem of being unable to connect to http repos / The reason turned out to be running anon-proxy / If somebody asked in the future
03:09.22Azardooooo: say : thank you abrotman
03:09.40abrotmanwhat?!
03:09.46abrotmani said that!
03:09.50abrotmanno one listens to me
03:09.57Azarwell you came up with the proxy idea for him
03:10.52Pencildamn i cant host cs servers on my ps3
03:10.52Pencil=(
03:11.11abrotmanwe said that
03:11.32Pencillol what's the benefits of even having debian on your ps3 then?
03:11.40Azarget a serious gaming console: xbox or something
03:11.41dooooohe did ?? I actually figured it out on my self / maybe it was the spirit of refrence I just read .
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03:12.32Azar< dooooo> why http repos not connecting ? ...  < abrotman> dooooo: your ISP might proxy it
03:12.51Azarso you picked up the proxy thing and researched
03:12.58doooooIt's not the ISP .
03:13.07Azarwell no but it is the proxy
03:13.11Venomhi, can anyone fill me in on updating to a newer distribution for debian?
03:13.20Venomsomeone told me aptitude dist-update
03:13.36AzarVenom: newer from what to ... >> what?
03:13.39doooooya , close / thanks to abrotman
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03:13.56abrotmanclose?!
03:13.58Venomfrom debian etch stable to some testing version
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03:14.14abrotman&tell Venom about etch->lenny
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03:14.33Azarabrotman: is there a release notes for upgrade to lenny yet?
03:14.44doooooclose enouph
03:14.54Azarlike preparing for the worse n stuff?
03:14.55abrotmanAzar: it's not released .. so no? :)
03:15.18Azarabrotman: yea makes sense... but we got release notes for etch 4 months prior release
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03:16.17abrotmanyou got preliminary release notes
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03:17.55Venomhi, ok, so it tells me to update my sources or something after I edited the .list
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03:18.00Venomwhat command?
03:18.07biopyte<PROTECTED>
03:18.15biopytesorry
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03:19.57infinity0how do you take a screenshot of a menu when it's open? prt src doesn't work :|
03:20.28VenomI think apt-get update was the right command?
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03:22.20abrotman&etch->lenny
03:22.21aptitudeFirst, see <apt-listbugs>.  Next, edit sources.list (# editor /etc/apt/sources.list), change all non-local mentions of 'etch' or 'stable' to 'lenny'. Save the file, then update and dist-upgrade. Also consider subscribing to debian-devel-announce (ask me about <d-d-a>) to be aware of what developments are happening.  NOTE: you should be running a 2.6 kernel before trying to upgrade
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03:23.38VenomUpgrade the following packages:
03:23.38Venommkisofs [9:1.1.2-1 (now) -> 9:1.1.6-1 (testing)]
03:23.38VenomLeave the following dependencies unresolved:
03:23.38Venomgnome-applets recommends tomboy
03:23.38Venomlibslang2 recommends libpng12
03:23.39VenomScore is -1763
03:23.50VenomI'm at the aptitude dist-upgrade and it says that
03:24.01Venomis that important to deal with before I press y?
03:24.10BadHorsiei'm confused, i have a script who's first line is start {\n echo "blah";} and it's complaining about "start command not found" i've never seen this error before on any other distro, any ideas?
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03:24.34AzarVenom: you really need the testing version?
03:24.35cast_Venom: that's fine. push yes.
03:24.45abrotmanBadHorsie: do you have the 'start' command on your system ?
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03:25.10Venomthe guys in #compiz-fusion suggested it, then I could have a better compiz editor
03:25.23Venomthey said they didn't really have any problems with testing over stable
03:25.24BadHorsieabrotman: i thought "start {" defined a function in a script... the only line before it is "#!/bin/sh" and it's there...
03:25.34macksscan someone remind me how to restart apache on etch?
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03:25.55abrotman/etc/init.d/apache restart
03:26.08abrotmanBadHorsie: it's looking for a program called 'start
03:26.21AzarVenom: just to quote: "Both the unstable and the testing archives may suffer temporary minor glitches....So if you ever decide to use these archives, you should be able to fix or work around such kind of glitches."
03:26.48Azarthat's what a new compiz editor can cost you
03:26.57Venomwell I am kinda new to this, maybe it's not the best idea then
03:27.28AzarVenom: http://people.debian.org/~osamu/pub/getwiki/en_US.UTF-8/ch03.html#id376700 have a nice read
03:27.40abrotmanwtf
03:27.42mackssabrotman: thanks
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03:28.14abrotmanAzar: he's not asking to do that ..
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03:28.27Azarabrotman: he wanted to upgrade to testing
03:28.32Azarhe is new at Debian
03:28.34abrotmanno shit .. he didn't ask to mix
03:28.49Azarhe asked how to dist-upgrade?
03:28.53abrotmani already told him
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03:29.08Azarsorry, my bad I did not pay attention
03:30.17Azaruh? you told him to upgrade to lenny?
03:30.40abrotmansure
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03:30.44abrotmanhe asked how
03:30.50Greedomwelp, 800 people can't be wrong !
03:31.04cast_but they can all be stupid!
03:31.12Azarok I just told him that lenny is not very stable..
03:31.27abrotmanAzar: it's been pretty good
03:31.37VenomI'm pretty new and instability does not sound good for me :P
03:31.51Venomhow good is good
03:32.06Azarabrotman: if you say so I believe it: I only remember you never recommended new users to go to testing
03:32.20abrotmanuhm .. no i tell them to stay away from sid
03:32.35abrotmani tell them that things may break in testing .. and when they do, they usually break for longer
03:32.56abrotmanVenom: the only issue i'm really having is with acpi and my laptop lid
03:32.58Venomwhat would be the advantage of testing over stable for me other than the compiz editor thing?
03:33.01PythonNinjalenny usn't unstable imo
03:33.16abrotmanVenom: newer software for many things
03:33.31PythonNinjai've only found one thing that doesn't work in lenny that did in etch
03:33.31PythonNinjaVenom: newer software, more features
03:33.41AzarVenom: testing has packages that change(upgrade) from time to time, right abrotman?
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03:33.49abrotmanuhm .. yes .. that's the idea
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03:33.59Venomhas testing been known to break people's wireless somehow?
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03:34.19abrotmanVenom: my testing laptop once shot lightning into my router!!
03:34.40Azarisn't that atheros driver gonna be included in a future kernel? or is it too proprietary for that?
03:34.46abrotmanVenom: it's possible for anything to break .. just that it's been pretty stable for me
03:35.00abrotmanAzar: there are two atheros drivers
03:35.05VenomI have an atheros wireless, do either of you use that?
03:35.14Venomright now it's on madwifi
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03:35.54AzarI do not know if Debian stable got that driver, for sure linux team worked on it for a while now
03:36.11VenomI had to install it, initially it did not have it
03:36.19Azarsome grab the driver and compile it with Debian tools
03:36.45Venomso on my aptitude dist-upgrade it says....
03:36.46VenomUpgrade the following packages:
03:36.46Venommkisofs [9:1.1.2-1 (now) -> 9:1.1.6-1 (testing)]
03:36.46VenomLeave the following dependencies unresolved:
03:36.46Venomgnome-applets recommends tomboy
03:36.46Venomlibslang2 recommends libpng12
03:36.48abrotmanVenom: yes .. it is madwifi .. but i believe the madwifi people are making a driver called atheros-5k or something
03:36.48VenomScore is -1763
03:36.53Venomwhat exactly does all of this mean?
03:37.08Venomit's going to be greatly improved?
03:37.14abrotmanit's scoring your dist-upgrade procedur
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03:37.26fisxojtomboy seems broken as an applet in sid
03:37.37VenomI don't even know what tomboy is
03:37.46fisxojit's a note program
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03:38.13infinity0is anyone else getting a segfault in gnome-keyboard-properties 2.18?
03:38.24abrotmaninfinity0: lenny ?
03:38.27Venomso do those two recommends lines say things are going to break?
03:38.38Venoma negative score sounds bad
03:38.56abrotmaninfinity0: yes .. but i don't even know what it does .. so i'm not concerned :)
03:39.36infinity0abrotman: yes, and it's the keyboard properties for the system :|
03:39.52infinity0well, gnome anyway
03:40.02abrotmaninfinity0: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=443458
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03:40.52infinity0abrotman: how did you find that so quick?
03:41.25abrotmaninfinity0: because i found the bug last week when i noticed it segfaults .. but i don't really know what it does .. but i think i tried to launch it .. so i found the bug :)
03:41.43infinity0oh ok
03:42.40Venomwhere was the sources file again?
03:42.45abrotman/etc/apt/
03:42.52VenomI want you guys to check it before I do the upgrade
03:43.25Venom#
03:43.25Venom# deb cdrom:[Debian GNU/Linux 4.0 r1 _Etch_ - Official i386 NETINST Binary-1 20070820-20:21]/ etch contrib main
03:43.25Venomdeb cdrom:[Debian GNU/Linux 4.0 r1 _Etch_ - Official i386 NETINST Binary-1 20070820-20:21]/ etch contrib main
03:43.25Venomdeb http://debian.yorku.ca/debian/ lenny main contrib non-free
03:43.26Venomdeb-src http://debian.yorku.ca/debian/ lenny main contrib non-free
03:43.28Venomdeb http://security.debian.org/ lenny/updates main contrib non-free
03:43.30Venomdeb-src http://security.debian.org/ lenny/updates main contrib non-free
03:43.55VenomI believe the thing one of you send me said change all the non local etchs to lenny
03:44.01Venomsent*
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03:45.10Venomdoes it look good?
03:45.26Nostahlwhat is your guys fav window managers?
03:45.48fisxojis there a way to detach a program from the console you started it in?
03:45.49abrotman&polls
03:45.49aptitude"Does anyone have X or use Y?" is taking a poll, not asking a valid question. Don't do it or sussudio's army of militant badgers will hurt you. Also see <ask> and <bad polls>
03:46.03abrotmanfisxoj: when you first start it .. yes
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03:46.25fisxojabrotman: but not after it's already running, I take it?
03:46.35Venomabrotman: did you see my sources file
03:46.42_kpfisxoj: right
03:46.46abrotmanVenom: looks okay
03:46.58Venomabrotman: ok for the switch to lenny right
03:47.05abrotmanlooks okay
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03:47.43Venomneeds to get 658mb of archives....hm...this is gonna take a while hehe
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03:49.19Nostahlis there a way i can pick wich window manager debian sets up initialy
03:49.35Nostahlim getting things ready to install debian on my other computer right now
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03:50.53castNostahl: i use .xinitrc, but i don't boot into x. i think gdm will give you an option
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03:51.59Venomwhat does ubuntu use? sid?
03:52.03_kpNostahl: do you mean which it initially installs?
03:52.09castfucked if i know, go ask #ubuntu
03:52.25VenomI'm too lazy to
03:52.41Nostahlwhat does ubuntu offer that debian dosnt?
03:52.51castNostahl: bugs.
03:52.56abrotmanask #ubuntu .. not us
03:52.57cast[more]
03:53.08biopytehehehe
03:53.20Venomit was easy to get up for a newbie, all flashy and everything, just no wireless for me
03:53.46Nostahli tryed a live cd of it and couldnt get my wireless card or my wireless usb adapter to connect with it
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03:54.10Venomyeah, it's funny cause it used to work
03:54.15Venomon the older version
03:54.24Venomwhat's your wireless?
03:54.30castif you're talking about ubuntu then we *really* don't care
03:54.38Nostahli'd realy love to get my wireless usb adapter working under linux
03:54.48Nostahlits a dynex wireless G
03:54.51Nostahlwith broadcom chipset
03:55.10Venommy parents got a berkin usb one and it didn't even work right on windows
03:55.16Venomhaha
03:55.26waltzyou mean belkin?
03:55.31Venomthat's the one
03:55.33waltzbecause
03:55.36waltzI got two belkins
03:55.39waltzand they are fairly awesome
03:55.54Venomyeah? it was jsut garbage on my parent's comp
03:56.05Venommaybe it's defective
03:56.10Nostahlthe dynex works fine in windows and it was 13 dollars
03:56.13waltz:o
03:56.31Nostahlbestbuy's store brand is dynex
03:56.39Kevin`Nostahl do you know what chipset it uses?
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03:57.00randomanHi guys, I just setup ip masquerading and ping -I eth1 192.168.1.200 works. On the clinet computer I set up the tcp/ip settings and it connects. But when i go to ping the server to see if they are talking. It timesout
03:57.14randoman?also, why cant I ftp to the clients computer with gftp , yet I can ping the clients computer with ping -I eth1 192.168.1.200
03:57.29randomanany ideas guys?
03:57.33Venomon etch my NTFS partition was unreachable, I couldn't browse it, does lenny let it work right?
03:57.47castVenom: it's reachable on etch.
03:58.01Venomit saw mine but when I clicked it would give me an error
03:58.09castwhich was?
03:58.13Venom1 sec
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03:58.30Dacshi guys
03:58.31Venomcast: libhal-storage.c 1401 : info: called libhal_free_dbus_error but dbuserror was not set.
03:58.50Venomprocess 5565: applications must not close shared connections - see dbus_connection_close() docs. this is a bug in the application.
03:58.50Venomerror: device /dev/hda1 is not removable
03:58.50Venomerror: could not execute pmount
03:58.50Dacsis there is a firefox channel
03:58.53Venomprobably
03:59.06Venomor iceweasel now haha
03:59.09castVenom: su
03:59.20waltzyeah what the f is with iceweasal
03:59.29castVenom: mkdir /mnt/hda1; mount /dev/hda1 /mnt/hda1  and tell me how it fails
03:59.33Dacsi wounder why firefox keep opeing www.about.com
03:59.35waltzmy college website is complaining that I'm not using a compatible browser
03:59.37Dacsanyone notice that
03:59.46abrotmanDacs: #firefox on irc.mozilla.org
03:59.51abrotmanassuming it's really firefox
03:59.52waltzbecause nobody knows wtf iceweasal is
03:59.55Venomcast: when I click places, and then I click computer and click on c, how would I use root access for that?
04:00.03waltzany way to change the version reply?
04:00.06abrotmanwaltz: change the string
04:00.12kgoetzwaltz: yes
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04:00.28kgoetzDacs: re about.com, sure? or about:config?
04:00.29abrotmanDacs: don't do that .. ask in here
04:01.10castVenom: yeah....type the commands i mentioned in a termanal. helping people with gui/frontend problems is beyond the scope of me eating breakfast infront of computer
04:01.24Dacskgoetz: see what i am thinking that some how it want to access about:config , but for some reason it goes to www.about.com
04:01.54Venomoh whoops, didn't see those commands
04:02.02Dacsabrotman: how can i open another server in irssi
04:02.20kgoetzDacs: sounds misconfigured
04:02.44VenomYou do not have the permissions necessary to view the contents of "hda1".
04:02.47waltzwhat string do I modify?
04:03.03waltzrather, preference
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04:03.23kgoetzwaltz: general.useragent.extra.firefox iirc
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04:04.16Venomcast: You do not have the permissions necessary to view the contents of "hda1".
04:04.29click170Can somebody help me figure out why the output of ls includes a directory that has '??' in the name?
04:04.36click170http://pastebin.ca/810675
04:04.45Sebhow do people usually auto-upgrade their stable boxes with the updates from security.d.o ? Some home-cooked cronjob ? Or is there a better way ?
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04:05.07Sebclick170: locale problem
04:05.14kgoetzSeb: apt-update
04:05.17Sebclick170: some character can't be displayed with your current locale
04:05.20kgoetzor update-apt (i forget)
04:05.27Venomapt-get update?
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04:05.37Nostahlim to the point in the debian install where it asks if i want all files in one partition or
04:05.41Nostahlseparate /home partition
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04:05.51Nostahlor separate /home /user /var and /tmp partitions
04:05.52castVenom: su; df; find /where/ever/its/mounted/
04:05.53SebVenom: what package would that be in ?
04:05.58Sebhrm
04:06.01Nostahlwhat are the benifits of those options?
04:06.01Sebkgoetz: what package would that be in ?
04:06.09kgoetzSeb: that *is* the package
04:06.13Sebkgoetz: oh
04:06.19Sebkgoetz: didn't see your second package
04:06.21kgoetzSeb: try ii  cron-apt                                   0.4.14                              automatic update of packages using apt-get
04:06.21castNostahl: you want seperate home at least imo
04:06.22Sebs/package/line
04:06.29kgoetz(your versin will differ)
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04:07.10abrotmani guess he got it
04:07.14Venomcast: says...
04:07.35Venomcast: /dev/hda1             56323856  47281484   9042372  84% /mnt/hda1
04:07.56braddbrhi guys.. looking for a place to find older debian netinstall .iso's (in particular sarge for ppc)
04:08.15castVenom: so...   'find /mnt/hda1' and see if it lists your files
04:08.15abrotmanbraddbr: ftp.ch.debian.org/debian-cd/
04:08.27braddbrty
04:08.27abrotmanoh wait .. that's i386 only
04:08.31abrotmanbraddbr: hold on
04:08.32VasisthaNostahl: I don't do a separate /home myself -- rather, I keep my files in a separate /Docs partition that is not tied to the (often version-specific) settings found in the /home directory
04:08.43Venomit is listing a ton of stuff
04:08.47Venomso I guess it found it
04:08.54Kobazwhat's the easiest way to downgrade packages... i just upgraded xserver and the driver for my card is all borked
04:09.05Sebdpkg, downgrade ?
04:09.07PenixKobaz: the same way you install any package
04:09.12castVenom: good.
04:09.15Venomcast: it's listing my DTXMania game stuff...tempting me to play haha
04:09.30KobazPenix: but with automagical dependencies?
04:09.46Venomcast: is it possible that I cna't access it because of my user settings or something?
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04:09.50Venomcan't*
04:10.02SebKobaz: you can do it with pinning, and then doing apt-get install thispackage/testing
04:10.07castVenom: the reasion is permissions.
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04:10.18Kobazmmm
04:10.21Kobazk
04:10.41SebKobaz: but in general, downgrading is not exactly supported
04:10.47Kobazyeah
04:10.52Penixif you only want to 'downgrade' *one* package, just dpkg install it
04:10.54Kobazit would be a good thing
04:11.04Kobazyeah i need to downgrad like maybe 10 i think
04:11.08SebKobaz: not trivial whatsoever, though
04:11.14Venomso which permissions do I need to change
04:11.23SebKobaz: doing the -s testing or package/testing with apt-get/aptitude is prolly your best option
04:11.28Sebi'm assuming you're on sid
04:11.34Kobazunstable :P
04:11.38abrotmanbraddbr: might be easier for you to use jigdo
04:11.40castVenom: you need to umount it, and edit fstab
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04:11.46gravityKobaz: How did you break you xserver?
04:11.53Kobazoh the x server works fine
04:11.53abrotmanhttp://www.debian.org/CD/http-ftp/
04:11.54BadHorsies/st/us/
04:11.57gravityMaybe we can get it working
04:12.05Venomcast: umount /mnt/hda1?
04:12.07Kobazexcept there's a 20 pixel high, full screen wide bar on the top of my screen
04:12.12Kobazwith random colors in it
04:12.15gravityKobaz: What driver?
04:12.18Kobazati
04:12.19castVenom: man umount  and you tell me
04:12.22gravityhrm
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04:12.32gravityKobaz: ati, not fglrx?
04:12.33abrotmanbraddbr: ftp://ftp.sunet.se/pub/Linux/distributions/debian-cd/3.1_r5/powerpc/iso-cd .. there you go
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04:12.36Kobazati
04:12.41Kobazfglrx doesnt work on this box
04:12.44gravityKobaz: Ok, you should try the version in experimental
04:13.00gravityKobaz: It's got a lot of bugfixes
04:13.01Kobazexperimental?  is that a new tree?
04:13.03braddbrty abrotman
04:13.08SebKobaz: it' salways been there
04:13.10gravityKobaz: It's existed for quite a while
04:13.12gravityNot so much always
04:13.14Kobazmmm
04:13.22gravityKobaz: Just download the package and dpkg -i it
04:13.23Venomok, I think I did it
04:13.26Kobazso is experimental even more new than unstable?
04:13.36SebKobaz: but seeing how you just asked "oh shit i upgraded this when i shouldn't have, how do i downgrade ?", i don't think you want to add experimental to your sources.list
04:13.37gravityKobaz: Yes, I wouldn't recommend using most things from it.
04:13.48gravityKobaz: Things in experimental are really not ready for general use yet
04:13.53Kobazyeah
04:13.54Venomcast: not sure what to do with fstab though or where it is
04:13.58gravityKobaz: But the ati driver there is in pretty good shape
04:14.05VasisthaNostahl: all of your user-specific settings end up in /home ... and if you are a distro junkie (like I used to be until I settled on debian) then you will notice that those user-specific settings files that are stored in /home cannot be used by different versions of the same application.
04:14.05PenixKobaz: just grab the package(s) you need manually
04:14.09Kobazyeah
04:14.22gravityKobaz: Alternately, you can try to switch to EXA, if you're using XAA now, or vice-versa. That might help
04:14.35gravityThe colored bar thing is kinda interesting though
04:14.39Kobazwell i can fix up pretty much everything i've encountered on my own, so running unstable/experimental doesnt bother me
04:14.48Kobazyeah lemme take a screenshot
04:14.48Venomcast: hda1 still appears in my /mnt
04:14.58Venomcast: maybe I didn't do it right haha
04:15.05gravityKobaz: No worries, I can imagine it. I can sorta guess what's going on, but I don't know what the right fix is
04:15.07castVenom: that's alright, its just a folder that you used as a mountpoint
04:15.08pobegaKobaz: Unstable is good for use, but experimental is primarily used for developers as far as I know.
04:15.13gravityKobaz: The newer driver may be helpful
04:15.13Venomoh ok
04:15.16castVenom: if you want to see whats mounted run 'mount'
04:15.16Kobazgravity: and it *is* the driver
04:15.19VasisthaNostahl: basically, I prefer to keep my FILES segregated from my SETTINGS -- and /home ALWAYS holds the settings ... so I put my files somewhere else, and just let /home sit on the root partition.
04:15.28gravityKobaz: Right, that makes total sense
04:15.28Kobazgravity: fglrx doesn't do it, vesa doesn't do it, just when i use ati
04:15.31Penixaptitude: lose pobega
04:15.32aptitudepobega: You Lose.
04:15.37SamuraiDiohow can i update the alsa drivers?
04:15.41Kobazfglrx doesnt have opengl or xv though
04:15.50PenixSamuraiDio: update your kernel
04:15.53pobegaPenix: Why do I lose? :( I just popped in now
04:15.54Kobazati gives me that, so i would rather use it
04:16.11VasisthaNostahl: people who are running servers of various kinds are more likely to have need for other separate partitions. If this is just a home machine, you can put everything on one partition. And if you're not going to have a separate partition for files (like I do) then you may want to make /home a separate partition
04:16.17SamuraiDioPenix, tnx
04:16.26Venomcast: so what's my next step, with the fstab stuff
04:16.40Kobazwow
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04:16.45Kobazi can't take a screenshot of it
04:16.55gravityheh, interesting
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04:17.19gravityKobaz: Are you running compiz?
04:17.24Kobazcompiz?
04:17.28gravityOk, no. Great.
04:17.34Penixthat's what I was thinking. fscked up gnome panel or something
04:17.34gravityKobaz: I'd try switching to EXA
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04:17.43Kobazk
04:17.51castVenom: open up 3 terminals, in one run 'su', in the other two run 'man fstab' and 'man mount'
04:17.58gravityKobaz: If that doesn't work, try the experimental driver
04:18.03Vasisthajelly-home: still around? all of a sudden I cannot use the reader; tf-tool says "Could not claim the USB device"
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04:18.05gravityHopefully EXA will be performant
04:18.06Kobazi use afterstep
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04:19.06gravityKobaz: The radeon manpage talks about how the enable it with the AccelMethod option
04:19.25Kobazenable what?
04:19.32Kobazcompiz?
04:19.33gravityKobaz: EXA
04:19.33friendly12345gravity: I have found EXA not ready by primetime yet
04:19.35Kobazoh
04:19.42friendly12345Far too slow compared to XAA
04:19.43gravityfriendly12345: For some people it is, for some it isn't
04:19.47Kobazwhat what
04:19.51gravityfriendly12345: It might fix his rendering issue
04:20.10Kobazi thought exa meant debian experimental or something
04:20.29Greedom_atkit's all experiemental
04:20.32Kobazheh
04:20.49Greedom_atktill we build that first machine to prevent a bigass comet from hitting us
04:20.55gravityKobaz: Just add 'Option "AccelMethod" "EXA"' to the "Device" section of your xorg.conf and restart X
04:20.59Kobazoh
04:20.59Kobazokay
04:21.08Kobazi was getting very confuzzeled there
04:21.16Vasisthahow do I find out what process is using a module?
04:21.22Greedom_atkthere is a reason Debian isn't on machines at Walmart !
04:21.27gravityKobaz: EXA is an alternate driver acceleration architecture for the X server
04:21.28Greedom_atkI can see some consumer calling up...
04:21.30Kobazah
04:21.31Kobazk
04:21.43gravityThe alternate rendering path may well fix your problem
04:21.44Greedom_atk'ok, Mrs Henderson, you're gonna have to pick, VI or ..'
04:22.03Kobazokay here goes
04:22.04Penixthat's what kate and gedit and the all the rest are for
04:22.23Greedom_atkLSE 4ever !
04:22.26Greedom_atkjk
04:22.37Kobazstill got the bar
04:22.48PenixKobaz: restart your X server
04:22.52gravityKobaz: can you check your /var/log/Xorg.0.log to make sure that EXA is enabled?
04:22.55Kobazi started a new one
04:22.57Greedom_atkPenix - I sure hope that nick isn't a new flavor of *nix
04:23.08Kobazgravity: k
04:23.19gravityOr whatever log is appropriate then, substitute the 0 for the screen you started it on
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04:23.38Kobaz(**) RADEON(0): Using EXA acceleration architecture
04:23.38Penixwait...it's still sunday in places. thought I'd traveled back in time...
04:23.47Greedom_atkPenix - no, it's always two days at once
04:23.50gravityKobaz: Ok, yeah. I think you should try the version in experimental
04:23.50Kobaz(==) RADEON(0): Not using accelerated EXA DownloadFromScreen hook
04:23.52Greedom_atkthis is the broken temporal model we adhere to
04:23.55Kobazand some other stuff
04:23.56Greedom_atkto keep DBA's crazy
04:23.57Nostahlhow do i log in as root?
04:23.59Kobazk
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04:24.15Greedom_atkNostahl- give me the IP, I'll get you root ! jk
04:24.37Penixno, please do give him the IP
04:24.38Greedom_atka good sr network admin will tell you, if it's on the wire - it's rootable
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04:24.43Nostahllol
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04:24.48Kobazyaaaaaaaaaay
04:24.48Greedom_atkjk - I don't meddle in that
04:24.50Kobazyaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay
04:24.51Greedom_atkwas just kiddin' around
04:24.53Kobazno more bar
04:24.59gravityKobaz: The experimental driver?
04:25.02Kobazyeah
04:25.05gravityAwesome
04:25.09gravity*very* glad to hear that
04:25.19gravityHopefully upstream will actually release it for real soon
04:25.33Nostahlok diferent question lol..... how do i use root priviages from CLI
04:25.33gravityAnyway, time for bed
04:25.38KobazNostahl: su
04:25.40KobazNostahl: sudo
04:25.49Nostahlit says sudo bad command
04:25.54Kobazapt-get install sudo
04:26.01Kobazbut the question is
04:26.07Kobazwhat exactly do you want to do
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04:26.15Nostahli just fresh installed debian
04:26.19Nostahlwithout desktop environment
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04:26.26Kobazdo you know your root password?
04:26.29Nostahlyea
04:26.31Kobazokay
04:26.31Kobazso
04:26.32Kobaztype su
04:26.35Kobazthen your root password
04:26.37Kobazand poof
04:26.40Kobazyou're root on the command line
04:26.47Nostahlah
04:26.49Nostahlsu and then enter
04:26.53Nostahland then it asks password heh
04:26.54Nostahltyvm
04:26.57Kobazyeah it's a program
04:27.19Venomcast: I almost have my fstab line finished, I'm just not sure about the 6th parameter
04:27.33Nostahlty a ton kobaz
04:27.36Kobazhehe
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04:27.38Venomcast: does it mean I put a 2 or do I put a 0
04:27.39ChrHi!
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04:27.49KobazNostahl: i suggest finding some intro to linux docs
04:27.50techi just switched from i686 to amd64, is there a way of changing all my packages to the amd64 builds?
04:27.58Nostahldeffinently
04:28.00KobazNostahl: there's alot more tidbits that come in handy like that
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04:28.04castVenom: just use 0, nice work :)
04:28.11castVenom: paste the line here
04:28.14Venomk
04:28.33Venomcast: /dev/hda1/media/C-Driventfsdefaults00
04:28.46Kobazaww
04:28.51Kobazgravity went byebye
04:28.55Nostahlok kobaz i just installed xfce4
04:29.02Kobaznow the next step is getting this synaptics driver going
04:29.03castVenom: does /media/C-Drive exist?
04:29.04Nostahlnow from the cli how do i load it up
04:29.16castVenom: the directory that is
04:29.17Venomnope
04:29.19Kobazi have no idea even what that is, lemme look
04:29.28castVenom: well, mkdir /media/C-Drive then'
04:29.30Nostahlits a window manager like gnome and kde
04:29.37Kobazoh
04:29.38Kobazumm
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04:29.54castgnome and kde are desktop environments, metacity is gnomes window manager, dunno what kdes is
04:29.56Kobazyou may have an app named xfce4 then probably
04:29.57randomananyideas?
04:30.02Penixkwin
04:30.09Kobazyou can shove it in your .Xclients
04:30.14Venomcast: ok, it's made
04:30.24PenixI think you mean .xsession or .xinitrc
04:30.25Kobazwell depending on if you use a login manager or not
04:30.32castVenom: then test it out, as root run mount /media/C-Drive
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04:30.48Kobazyeah if your not using a login manager, .xinitrc
04:30.51Nostahlah yea i need to download a login manager
04:31.04Kobazsome logins managers use .Xclients for some dumb reason
04:31.14VenomYou do not have the permissions necessary to view the contents of "C-Drive".
04:31.16Nostahlwhat login manager should i get
04:31.17Venomhehe
04:31.20Kobazgdm is nice
04:31.21castlogin managers waste of time/space imho :D
04:31.35PenixNostahl: xdm is plain X, gdm is gnome and kdm is kde. take your pick
04:31.38Kobazcast: heh, they save you from typeing startx
04:31.41Penixthere are others
04:32.01Kobazbut the login manager has nothing to do with your user window manager
04:32.02castKobaz: they force you into starting x, and starting your DE/WM
04:32.09Kobazyou can run kdm and use windowmaker, doesnt matter
04:32.24Penixhow do they force you?
04:32.25Kobazcast: well most of the time many people want that, so, heh
04:32.29Venomcast: when I try to sudo things instead of su, it says I am not part of the sudoers
04:32.33Penixwhy else would you want it there?
04:32.35Venomcast: is there a way to change that?
04:32.38Kobazcast: there's always ctrl-alt-f1
04:32.45Nostahlhere's what i've done so far i installed debian.. without the desktop environment cause i didnt want gnome
04:32.55KobazVenom: you need to edit /etc/sudoers
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04:32.58Nostahlthen i loged in and ran apt to install xfce4
04:32.59PenixVenom: visudo, man sudoers
04:33.11castVenom: you can setup sudo, but thats not too important atm..
04:33.25Nostahlwhat else do i need to do
04:33.32Venomoh ok
04:33.33jelloNostahl: startx
04:33.33Kobazsudo is for doing root commands all in one go
04:33.34Kobazlike
04:33.39PenixNostahl: like we said, install a display manager
04:33.43Kobazsudo rm /tmp/abc
04:33.45Nostahlstartx command not foun
04:33.45Kobazwill run that as root
04:33.48Venomcast: so what do you think the problem is?
04:33.50Penixor, yeah, go the manual route
04:33.50casti guess everyone else uses x more than me :(
04:33.53Kobazusually you can just su, and do your command
04:34.00dtohello. i skipped the network dhcp config step during installation, because it wasn't connected to the network then. how do i retrigger that interactive dhcp configurator?
04:34.06castVenom: in man mount, look at the ntfs options, specifically set the uid to your users
04:34.15Nostahlstartx was the first thing i tryed but it said command not found?
04:34.15PenixNostahl: gdm required gnome libs obviously. kdm required kde/qt libs. X needs basic X stuff you've already got
04:34.25Penixs/required/requires/
04:34.43Venomcast: It let's me browse the C-Drive as root in the terminal hehe
04:34.50Venomok, one sec
04:34.54click170Can somebody help me figure out why the output of ls includes a directory that has '??' in the name?  Seb suggested it was a locale problem, but does that mean it's on the client side or on the server side?
04:35.06Nostahlk running apt-get install xdm atm
04:35.08Kobazit's so nice not having an annoying bar at the top of my screen now
04:35.31Kobazclick170: there might just be a directory named ??
04:35.44click170No, it should be named something else.
04:35.52jellodto: apt-get install dhcp3-client
04:35.59Kobazclick170: well, just for sanity... cd \?\?
04:36.07Nostahlk  i did xdm
04:36.21Nostahltryed startx it says xinit server error
04:36.21click170There are multiple directories, all of who's names used to contain special characters such as ? for example, but now contain '??' in place of any single special character.
04:36.27castPenix: you're right, i suppose it doesn't force you to start a wm/de. but it does start X on boot for you, often i don't want x. i think i'm quite a minority now :\
04:36.30PenixNostahl: you don't want startx if you're using xdm
04:36.31jelloNostahl: apt-get install xinit
04:36.32Nostahlx cannot stat /etc/x11/x no such file or directory
04:36.38Nostahlk
04:36.39Kobazclick170: i would guess it would be locales then
04:36.52jelloNostahl: in fact, might as well install x-window-system
04:36.58Kobazclick170: try unsetting your locale... export LANG=""
04:37.04Venomcast: if I add users to the list of options, would I add it to the end of the list of options? or the beginning
04:37.05Kobazclick170: that fixes alot of stuff
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04:37.21VenomI think it says to add it to the end
04:37.48Nostahlit didnt find xinit package jello
04:37.54jelloNostahl: huh?!
04:38.03jelloNostahl: are you running etch?
04:38.05castVenom: you could replace defaults with user
04:38.06click170Kobaz: still showing '??'
04:38.08Venomcast: would I be better to choose user, or users?
04:38.12Nostahlcouldnt find package xinit it says
04:38.21Nostahlaye i am
04:38.24Kobazclick170: do you know what locale was used when the stuff was created?
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04:38.48daliasunsetting he locale causes ??'s to appear
04:38.59click170No, it was put there with samba, from a remote location.  Its a backup drive basically, and this is my music directory
04:39.17Kobazoh
04:39.17daliasprobably samba server is configured with the wrong charset options...
04:39.25jelloNostahl: what about x-window-system?
04:39.28click170I'm viewing it with Terminal on a Mac
04:39.30Kobazwindows, that explains it
04:39.35Nostahljello: let me check
04:39.40Venomcast: maybe rw,user....what does auto and async do exactly?
04:39.46daliassamba's config should match the locale you use, probably utf-8
04:39.52Penixsamba doesn't mean windows
04:39.53daliasif it doesn't bad things like this will happen
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04:40.18Nostahljello: its installing x-window-system atm
04:40.25Kobazoh, for some reason i thought i saw windows in there somewhere
04:40.27Kobazheh
04:40.29dalias:)
04:40.31jelloNostahl: that's kinda important... ;)
04:40.45castVenom: i'd not use rw until i knew the status of rw ntfs in etch...for the options user,uid=1000 might do
04:40.45Kobazit's past my bedtime, i may be hallucinating
04:40.56Nostahljello: what all does it include?
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04:41.23jelloNostahl: the regular x-windows suite
04:41.27Kobazthe only thing i can think of at the moment is load up a unicode compatible terminal, and see if that helps
04:41.41Kobazwith unicode enabled...
04:41.55jelloNostahl: if you care about the details run apt-cache show xorg
04:42.02click170If I view the directory from Finder they show up as the regular characters it seems like.  I'm using Leopard
04:42.05Nostahlwoot it finnished i typed startx and my beautiful xfce4 poped up
04:42.10Venomcast: is specifying ro the same as not putting it at all?
04:42.39Penixclick170: then, yeah, get a terminal with utf8 support or set your locale to utf8
04:42.46jelloNostahl: glad to help...
04:42.46click170lol, if I click on them in Finder, they disappear lol
04:43.01Kobazclick170: something is wiggity wack
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04:43.13Kobazclick170: rename them on your linux box
04:43.18jelloclick170: uxterm
04:43.54castVenom: i'm not sure what dictates what it'll default to, it might be on a per filesystem basis. leave it out and find out :)
04:44.07Venomk
04:44.26Venomcast: does modifying fstab mean it will automount it on boot?
04:44.28click170Well, if Finder can somehow figure out what the characters are, then... I must need to set my locale in the server, but how do I do that?
04:44.39click170export LANG="uft8" ?
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04:44.46Kobazutf
04:44.51Kobaznot uft
04:44.52click170Silly me
04:45.02Kobazokay, nap time
04:45.13daliasneither is correct
04:45.15castVenom: yip, the noauto option prevents the automount
04:45.18click170Kobaz, I havent tested, but thank you very much regardless
04:45.19daliasutf-8 is an encoding not a locale
04:45.25jelloerr, you'll want a language -- not just an encoding...
04:45.29daliasso LANG=utf8 makes no sense
04:45.31Kobaznp
04:45.34click170Ah
04:45.36jellotry LANG=en_US.UTF-8
04:45.50Venomcast: so then the auto option is pointless? hehe
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04:47.17click170jello: That doesn't seem to have worked.
04:47.43castVenom: oh, hmmm. i'm not sure. defaults includes auto, dunno what happens if you don't have auto or noauto
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04:48.00Venomcast: so now I just unmount it, and remount it?
04:48.11click170Seems my default locale is en_CA
04:48.39castVenom: yip.
04:48.40Venomcast: oh yay it worked hehe
04:49.09Venomcast: and it's all sexy on my desktop
04:49.14macros73I finally bit the Debian bullet, needed to learn something new.  Finsihed a bare bones install of Etch and just installed openssh. :D
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04:49.20Venomcast: I should stretch the icon to show my pride
04:49.21castVenom: now, still as root, ls -l /media/C-Drive/ and see who the owner is
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04:49.43Nyle!congradulate macros73
04:49.48_Sam--using ifconfig, this output means i am connected at gigabit speed?  txqueuelen:1000
04:49.50castVenom: or just test it from your desktop to see if it all works...
04:49.54Nyledp
04:50.10Venomcast: yeah, when I double click on the icon, it shows the files
04:50.18Nylethe bot hasn't been here in a while
04:50.20castnice.
04:50.32macros73Are most desktop Debian users running Etch, or are they running Testing?
04:50.36castVenom: so if you reboot and its not mounted, i guess you should add auto to the fstab options
04:50.49Venomcast: yeah, at least now I know what I'm doing hehe
04:50.50Nylemacros73: how would we know
04:50.59castVenom: indeed. :)
04:51.10Venomcast: my dist upgrade is almost done downloading :O will it change this
04:51.52castwhy are you doing a distupgrade?
04:51.56Nostahljello: now that i have the xdm installed. how do i log out to CLI?
04:51.58castand no, it won't change fstab.
04:52.10macros73Nyle: What are you running?
04:52.23Venomcast: I got suggestions to upgrade to it for more sofware and software versions
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04:53.07roehow to I fsck an ntfs partition?
04:53.26Nylemacros73: Kubuntu Gusty & Windows XP Pro x64
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04:53.42Venomcast: others were saying it's pretty stable for them, no problems for them really
04:53.55Venomcast: it's just to lenny and not sid
04:53.57castroe: use vendor supplied tools?
04:54.09roenot possible atm
04:54.31Kevin`roe ntfsprogs has a program for it, but microsoft's tool may be more complete
04:54.58streuner_Nyle: How are these Debian User?
04:54.58Nylemacros73: I have 2 sid machines, 4 etch machines, 1 OSX, 1 MacOS 9.1
04:55.02Nostahlanyone know why the logout options are greyed out for me? in xfce4
04:55.22macros73Nyle: Good to see you are spreading it around. :D
04:55.24castVenom: my main problem is that things change, and sometimes break. each time you do a aptitude upgrade you'll pull 50 new versions of packages when the old ones worked fine...but each to their own. i use backports or compile frmo source things i want newer versions of [gajim, mercurial, e16, wine]
04:56.13macros73Nyle: I have a handful of CentOS/Fedora/RHEL systems around, have worked with FreeBSD & Slackware in the past, and dabbled with Ubuntu.  First time trying out Debian.
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04:56.44Nylemacros73: debian is the shiznit
04:56.49nainefok dumb question time....
04:57.22Nylemacros73: why censor, debian is THE shit
04:57.24streuner_What crap does he smoke today?
04:57.26Venomcast: I've got like no harm in trying right now, it's almost a fresh system hehe, nothing to lose really
04:57.44Nyleyou have any idea how many debian based distros there are
04:57.46castnainef: none.
04:57.59Nylethat should give you an idea of how good of a quality and ease of use etc. etc.
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04:58.03castnainef: you can set it up to require wheel, but thats not the default
04:58.10Venomcast: I am gonna close some of my apps right now while it does this so I'll be back in a few
04:58.11PenixNyle: really? please school us
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04:58.22nainefyeah cause sudo blows
04:58.29Nylemy first time with debian was about 7 years ago in college, and loved it since, this is your first time, you'll love it too
04:58.32Nyleit works a magic on ya
04:58.41Nyledebian will boogie woogie on your brain
04:58.41dbmoodbhi how would i turn on jumbo frames of a specific amount - do i just change my mtu to the frame amount mmm? what about the packet size ?
04:58.42nainefchange the group for su to wheel?
04:58.45streuner_aptitude, hakadance Nyle
04:58.46castnainef: i like the NOPASSWD option though
04:58.59Nyleya'll are tools
04:59.00Nylelol
04:59.13macros73Nyle: I'm liking it so far.  Once I've played with it more at home, I'll start off at work with one in a VMware box to run a webserver or something.  Build from there.
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04:59.32nainefnopasswd?
04:59.37Nylemacros73: just get a cheap little spare machine, do a install on it, and run it over the network
04:59.43macros73Nyle: I like how easy it is to install it stripped down and then add to it.  I know I can do a minimal install under Redhat as well, but this has been easier.
04:59.48castnainef: for sudo, so you don't need a pass
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04:59.57Nylemacros73: oh definitely man, netinstall is the way to go
05:00.06jelloNostahl: just exit the window manager...
05:00.09Nostahlis there a package i need to install to make the shutdown/restart button not greyed out
05:00.11macros73Nyle: Right now my test Debian box is running as a VMware guest on my Fedora workstation at home\
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05:00.31Nylemacros73: ever heard of colinux
05:00.38macros73nope
05:00.41nainefwhat is the sudo equiv to "su -"
05:00.42Nylemacros73: google it
05:00.44dbmoodbso ....
05:00.55Nylemacros73: its pretty interesting hack
05:01.03jellonainef: man sudo
05:01.09Nyle!colinux
05:01.12macros73Nyle: I'm looking at the website now.
05:01.13Nyle&colinux
05:01.14aptitudei guess colinux is http://colinux.org/.  Cooperative Linux is the first working free and open source method for optimally running Linux on Microsoft Windows natively. More generally, Cooperative Linux (short-named coLinux) is a port of the Linux kernel that allows it to run cooperatively alongside another operating system on a single machine. For instance, it allows one to freely run Linux on Windows 2000/XP, without using a commercial PC ...
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05:01.33macros73I don't run Windows at home or on my office pc, so.. :D
05:01.42Nostahljello: all of my attempts at exiting the window manager just take me to the xdm
05:01.55dbmoodb.... kill gnome or kill kde or kill blah ?
05:01.58Nylemacros73: why did I think you were running windows?
05:02.01streuner_Nyle: WHAT KIND OF CRAP DID YOU SMOKE TODAY?
05:02.04dbmoodb/etc/init.d/xdm stop ?
05:02.05macros73Nyle: Beats me
05:02.11jelloNostahl: oh, you're using xdm?! just do ctrl-alt-f1
05:02.17Nylestreuner_: I HAVE NOT SMOKED ANYTHING TODAY
05:02.21dbmoodbor that - so how do i do my jumbo frames ?
05:02.26streuner_ah, thats why
05:02.35Nostahljello: perfect! ty soo much hehe
05:02.42Penixhah
05:02.44Nylestreuner_: please don't yell at me again
05:02.45dbmoodb- i just put the mtu to the size or what ?
05:02.55nainefok guys
05:03.29Nylenainef: cool
05:03.40Nylei know this one guy who hates linux
05:03.41nainefyeah been using bsd since the days of old
05:03.54Nylehis thing is down with the linux, up with the bsd
05:03.58nainefstarted with XENIX (sco)
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05:04.20Nylei started with whatever the hell kinda mainframe was at my dads work
05:04.25jelloNostahl: btw, no need to exit to xdm to switch
05:04.38nainefheheh nyle
05:04.38jelloNostahl: also just do alt-f7 to switch back
05:04.40Nylenainef: i love all oses regardes of free or not
05:04.44Nylei love computers
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05:04.54streuner_Nyle: Did you EVER read "Rifkin"?
05:05.01nainefwell me too except vista
05:05.03Nylenot familiar with it my man streuner_
05:05.30Nylei dislike vista
05:05.33Nyleits garbage
05:05.54Nylexp pro x64 is the one I personally perfer if it came to using windows
05:06.00nainefagreed
05:06.03Nylewhich is what I run anyway for my gaming platform
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05:06.10grazzaghh, i can't find why the heck is the same kernel version detecting my mmc reader in ubuntu
05:06.11grazz:'(
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05:06.26Nostahljello: how do i kill the x server from cli
05:06.30nainefits the sequal to ME
05:06.35wols_Nostahl: killall X
05:06.41jelloNostahl: sudo /etc/init.d/xdm stop
05:06.47Vasisthaanyone know what's up with this kdm / fingerprint reader conflict?
05:07.05NyleVasistha: #kde maybe?
05:07.28jellograzz: lsmod in ubuntu...
05:07.37grazzno more ubuntu here :P
05:07.42nainefhehehe
05:07.56jellograzz: well then google to figure out which module supports it
05:07.57VasisthaNyle: yeah, I'm in there :) someone was helping me in here, earlier, but he seems to be away :P
05:08.08jellograzz: then run `modprobe <modulename>`
05:08.14grazzyeap, already did that
05:08.16grazzno luck
05:08.27jellograzz: what happens when you modprobe?
05:08.31grazzand ubuntu detected it out of the box, so im trying to find the list of patches
05:08.47dbmoodb!ubuntu
05:09.13streuner_&ubuntu
05:09.13aptitudeUbuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu (irc.freenode.net) instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian.
05:09.14Nostahljello: what package gives me cc tools
05:09.22grazzmodule gets loaded, it says that a controller has been found
05:09.27jelloNostahl: cc tools??
05:09.29grazzi insert the memory stick
05:09.38grazzand no device in /dev
05:09.50streuner_grazz: read what the bot told you
05:09.56Nostahljello: im installing my nvidia driver and it needs to compile so its asking for cc
05:10.06Vasistha&ubuntu rocks
05:10.07aptitude[ubuntu rocks] http://david9.freepgs.com/i/ubunturocks.png
05:10.15jelloNostahl: apt-get install build-essential
05:10.17dbmoodb~ubuntu
05:10.33jelloNostahl: next time just do an `apt-cache search <whatever>`
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05:11.01InnerFIREanyone know if one of the updates in debian/testing had a bug that corrupts fonts?
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05:15.47Nostahljello: whats apt-cache do
05:16.05jelloNostahl: read the manpage
05:16.12dbmoodb....
05:16.35Nostahlk
05:16.36kriebzsomeone in #debian is asking what apt-cache does?
05:16.39VasisthaNostahl: it looks through your local cache of the repo listings
05:17.05Nostahlwhat package do i get to give me the kernel source files
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05:17.14Nostahlthe nvidia drivers asking for that now
05:17.29streuner_read wiki.d.o then
05:17.48streuner_http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers
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05:18.44streuner_it explains step by step what to do
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05:19.14dbmoodb!jumbo frames
05:19.20Nostahlty streuner
05:20.13dbmoodbapparently not
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05:22.21sparr_I have 'bind,auto' mounts in my fstab now.  when i rebooted, fsck dumped me into a maintenance console with nothing mounted because it couldnt run on them (duh).  how can i avoid that?
05:22.45streuner_sparr_: What does 'dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1' say?
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05:25.38streuner_sparr_: so nothing works at all NOW?
05:25.51nainefhey guys...
05:25.57nainef<PROTECTED>
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05:26.16jellonainef: what's in your /etc/sudoers
05:26.16nainefI'm in the sudoers file
05:26.49nainefnainef ALL=NOPASSWD: DEBIAN
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05:27.13jellonainef: try 'nainef<tab>ALL=(ALL) ALL'
05:27.23nainefok thanks
05:27.26sparr_ii  libc6          2.6.1-1ubuntu10 GNU C Library: Shared libraries
05:27.40streuner_sparr_: #ubuntu
05:27.43kgoetznainef: are you editing the fil with 'visudo'?
05:27.43sparr_everything works just fine, i hit Ctrl-D to exit the maintenance shell and the system continued to boot as normal
05:27.48sparr_streuner_: banned
05:27.50LiMaOwhat repository to be added in order to get stuff that isn't provided by default (due to license problems), such as LAME?
05:28.13sparr_streuner_: would you like me to duplicate this issue on my debian box?  it has nothing to do with ubuntu.
05:28.21sparr_i just dont like to reboot my debian box  :(
05:28.27kgoetzsparr_: then go to #ubuntu-ops and plead a case, heres not your fallback :\
05:28.33nainefno with vim
05:28.39nainefis that ok?
05:28.40kgoetznainef: use visudo
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05:28.45nainefok gotcha
05:29.01kgoetzjust run the command 'visudo', its for editing teh sudoers file
05:29.09kgoetzit will make sure the syntax is correct
05:29.34comperrchecking for C compiler default output file name... configure: error: C compiler cannot create executables
05:29.38nainefok gotcha
05:29.42comperrwhen building unreal
05:29.49comperrany ideas on how to fix ?
05:29.51kgoetz&b-
05:29.53kgoetz&b-e
05:29.54aptitudeIf you get errors saying gcc cannot create executables, or that you can't find header files like stdio.h, you need to apt-get install build-essential.  See also <qotd49>.
05:30.18sparr_ok, since you insist
05:30.21sparr_ii  libc6          2.5-9+b1       GNU C Library: Shared libraries
05:30.25sparr_now my debian box has the same issue
05:30.37comperrE: Could not get lock /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (11 Resource temporarily unavailable)
05:30.37comperrE: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), is another process using it?
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05:31.01Nostahli just tryed apt-get install kernel-source-2.6.18  didnt work
05:31.14kgoetzcomperr: as root...
05:31.17comperrkgoetz, I am
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05:31.32nainefok guys I'm a sudoing
05:31.36kgoetzcomperr: running a dist-upgrade/update of any sort?
05:31.37nainefthanks
05:31.38nainefwhew
05:31.39comperrsomeone else what apt-getting :D
05:31.48dayaHow to I customize debian installer in my own distro,
05:31.49comperrkgoetz, aptitude ty
05:31.51kgoetzNostahl: 'didnt work'?
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05:32.01kgoetzcomperr: that'll be why.
05:32.04dayacan I found some detail documentation on DI
05:32.08PythonNinjais anyone else having troubles with kmplayer? when i start it, it works ok, but no matter how large i make the window, i only get the original area
05:32.09comperrkgoetz, yah I got it
05:32.10comperrty
05:32.11PythonNinja's video
05:32.17MrProper_Has anyone had any luck with distributed filesystems over a SAN in debian?
05:32.21Nostahlkgoetz: the nvidia driver installer is asking for kernel source
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05:32.29VasisthaNotry linux-source rather than kernel-source
05:32.35VasisthaNostahl:  try linux-source rather than kernel-source
05:32.39Nostahlk
05:32.39sparrkgoetz: no support for debian either?  then why the hoops-to-jump-through to send me to #ubuntu in the first place?
05:32.43kgoetz&nvidia
05:32.44aptitudeTo use an NVIDIA graphics card with Debian, see http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers. If you've done it before, ask me about <nvidia one-liner> for a reminder.
05:32.51kgoetz&nvidia one-liner
05:32.52aptitudenvidia one-liner is, like, apt-get install nvidia-kernel-2.6-`uname -r | sed 's,.*-,,g'` nvidia-settings nvidia-glx && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg (if you're on amd64, also install nvidia-glx-ia32. Using sarge? Ask me about <nvidia_sarge>. Homegrown or kernel from testing/sid: <nvidia_post_etch>. If you're using a Geforce2 or older: <nvidia_legacy>.
05:32.56kgoetzNostahl: ^^
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05:33.28Nostahlthats workin ty vasistha
05:33.50kgoetzsparr: i didnt see your problem *heh*
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05:36.33streuner_&unix lessons
05:36.34aptitudeunix lessons is, like, (1) Don't change the permissions, (2) back up your data, (3) keep it simple, stupid, (4) read the fscking manual, (5) don't fsck with package management, (6) don't type anything you don't understand, (7) always have a boot floppy or CD, (8) read your log files, (9) the FIRST error is the one that counts, (10) don't leave your root shell until you TEST your changes, (11) don't be root when you don't have to be
05:36.53streuner_sparr: read (4) and (6)
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05:37.31dtohello. i just did a fresh install of debian testing, did a dist-upgrade and reconfigured some packages. I installed xdm as well. rebooted with the new kernel. it says "Starting X display manager: xdm" but then it gives me an ordinary console login. there's no sign of XDM
05:37.51amphiPythonNinja: you're probably using the x11 output driver; try -vo xv
05:37.57Nostahlwoot my nvidia graphics card is installed
05:37.58jellodto: check /var/log/Xorg.0.log
05:37.59dtoor maybe i shouldn't use XDM?
05:38.01NostahlTY soo much guys
05:38.09jellodto: or try startx
05:38.20sparrstreuner_: im good on 6.  4 is kinda funny, since my problem is with fsck, but i dont see anything in the man pages for fstab, mount, or fsck that covers this
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05:38.37dtojello: startx said i didn't have permission to start the x server
05:38.51streuner_sparr: use default values then
05:38.59dtojello: log says "fatal server error: no valid FontPath could be found."
05:39.25jellodto: apt-get install xorg
05:39.37dtojello: oh.
05:39.41dtohow could i have missed that?? :-)
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05:41.53nainefdouble click this....
05:41.55PythonNinjaamphi: uknown option -vo , we are talking about kmplayer, and not mplayer, right?
05:42.14jellonainef: apt-get install privoxy
05:42.19nainefdone!
05:42.29nainefthat is such a good idea
05:42.56streuner_or use a plugin for your browser
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05:43.21jelloprivoxy is browser independant ;)
05:43.24Venomhello hello
05:43.36streuner_jello: yeah, its nice
05:43.49Venomcast: I am back
05:43.58nainefadblock for mozilla
05:43.59Venomcast: wireless is broken, as expected haha
05:44.16Venomcast: C-Drive did automount though
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05:44.36nostahl_heyey whats a good program to use for unpacking files
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05:44.59VenomI am wondering, I get this message when trying to build my madwifi
05:45.00jellonostahl_: huh?
05:45.00Vasisthanostahl_: what kind of file?
05:45.03Venom/bin/sh: line 0: cd: /lib/modules/2.6.22-3-686/build: No such file or directory
05:45.03VenomMakefile.inc:66: *** /lib/modules/2.6.22-3-686/build is missing, please set KERNELPATH.  Stop.
05:45.13VenomI already did this before to fix it
05:45.19Venombut I don't remember what I was told
05:45.34VasisthaVenom: I don't suppose you're using a backported 2.6.22 kernel on etch, with the etch madwifi package?
05:45.38castVenom: wireless always seems broken, in one manner or another, cat5e is cheap :)
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05:45.51nostahl_jello: for like tar's and such
05:46.01jellonostahl_: tar usually works... :)
05:46.02Vasisthanostahl_: well, there is the program called 'tar'
05:46.27VenomI'm using what I believe is debian lenny
05:46.41VenomI had wireless working but it killed it again and I need to set it up again
05:46.52LiMaOhey people, i need help. just finished installing debian etch and i can't hear any sound. btw, i'm not a new linux user. i've been using it for over 4 years now... no windows here. just wanted to know if that's a common issue with debian and what to try and fix 1st...
05:46.55VasisthaVenom: well, we can confirm that:  dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1
05:47.01jelloVenom: are you using the madwifi-source packages with module-assistant?
05:47.19Venomright now, I downloaded off their site
05:47.27Venomif you know a better way I would be glad to try it
05:47.27VasisthaVenom: at any rate, I just went through this yesterday (with etch) and you definitely need version 0.9.3 of madwifi, rather than 0.9.2
05:47.28Venom:D
05:47.30jelloLiMaO: what sound driver do you use?
05:47.35LiMaOjello: alsa
05:47.44jelloLiMaO: yes, which card/driver?
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05:47.52VenomI have the 0.9.3.3 folder on my desktop
05:48.22VenomVasistha: What are you asking me to do?
05:48.34Venomjello: I'm not sure, I think I'm using nothing right now
05:48.36Vasisthahave a beer?
05:48.52LiMaOjello: it's the onboard sound from an asus p5ld2-se mobo
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05:48.57VasisthaVenom: on your desktop? Well that's not a very good place for it :P
05:49.02Venomhaha
05:49.02LiMaOjello: just trying to find the reference to it in dmesg
05:49.11jelloLiMaO: so search google to find out which kernel module supports it
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05:49.19tengulrehi,all
05:49.22Venomsomeone helped me set it up two days ago
05:49.26tengulrewhich package contain 'lspci' command?
05:49.27VenomI don't remember how though
05:49.30LiMaOjello: shouldn't it be identified and loaded by default?
05:49.31VasisthaVenom: aptitude install madwifi-source ought to put it in /usr/src or some such
05:49.36jelloVenom: apt-get install module-assistant madwifi-source
05:49.42tengulreI want got pci information from a command, how to do?
05:49.47jelloVenom: m-a -t a-i madwifi
05:49.50Vasistha!madwifi
05:49.57Vasistha&madwifi
05:49.57aptitudemadwifi is a driver for wireless devices with an Atheros chipset.  More information is at http://madwifi.org/wiki/UserDocs/Distro/Debian.  To install madwifi drivers built against Debian stock kernels, ask me about <madwifi-install>.  No USB devices are supported.  NOT for AR5007UG (aka AR2624/AR5524) chipsets, ask me about <zd1211rw> instead.
05:50.11Venomjello: I'm gonan follow your way because that sounds very familiar
05:50.16Vasistha&madwifi-install
05:50.17aptitudemadwifi-install is, like, ask me about <non-free>, then as root: "apt-get update ; apt-get install module-assistant ; m-a prepare ; m-a a-i madwifi". You should now have madwifi installed. Note: Atheros = ath0, NOT eth0.
05:50.24Vasistha^^^ yeah, that's the one!
05:50.52jelloVenom: note that you do need a non-free source in your /etc/apt/sources.list
05:51.28Venomalready done that from last time :P
05:51.52tengulrenobody help me !!
05:52.02jellotengulre: pciutils
05:52.10jellotengulre: next time just ask packages.debian.org
05:52.57jelloVenom: so first `apt-get install module-assistant`
05:52.58tengulrejello: OK! thanks!
05:53.04jelloVenom: so first `apt-get install module-assistant madwifi-source`
05:53.15jelloVenom: then `m-a -t a-i madwifi`
05:53.18VenomI've done your steps
05:53.23Venomwhat's next?
05:53.29Venomifconfig does not show any ath0 yet
05:53.47jelloVenom: `modprobe ath_pci`
05:54.23dtojello: ok, now it tries to start XDM, but that fails because it can't detect the video card
05:54.30Venomok, I see it now
05:54.30dtojello: will let you know if i have any questions
05:54.32dto:)
05:54.53comperr/usr/bin/install: `networks/zirc.network' and `/home/comperr/Unreal3.2.7/networks/zirc.network' are the same file
05:54.53comperrmake: *** [install] Error 1
05:55.01Venomjello: anything else before I try to connect?
05:55.12jelloVenom: not really
05:55.20Venomjello: alright, time to test :D
05:55.57jelloVenom: good luck
05:56.17VenomI don't think I'll need it, you guys seem to do the trick every time
05:58.46Claudio32mhow can I check how long i've had my ip address from my isp?
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05:58.50Claudio32msince it has changed
05:58.55Claudio32mor is that no possible?
05:58.59comperr/usr/bin/install: `networks/zirc.network' and `/home/comperr/Unreal3.2.7/networks/zirc.network' are the same file
05:59.03jelloClaudio32m: which dhcp client are you using?
05:59.04comperrany ideas ?
05:59.10dtojello: i'll run with the VESA backend until i figure out the video issue
05:59.17jellodto: a wise choice :)
05:59.20Claudio32mwell i have a linksys g router
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05:59.37CryoVenomit appears to be working
05:59.45CryoVenomand looks like I stole my name again haha
05:59.55jelloClaudio32m: no, to acquire the IP, which dhcp client?
06:00.06Claudio32mjello i dont know
06:00.07jelloClaudio32m: dhcpd? pump? dhcp3-client?
06:00.08Claudio32mhow do i check
06:00.26dtojello: now the X server seems to start, but i get a blank screen
06:00.36jelloClaudio32m: try dpkg --get-selections | fgrep dhcp
06:00.43dtonothing happens
06:00.48jellodto: did you install a window manager?
06:00.58Claudio32mdhcp3-client                                    install
06:00.59Claudio32mdhcp3-common                                    install
06:01.08dtojello: ah... sorry, i am really starting from scratch here... new to debian :-)
06:01.10jelloClaudio32m: that would be my guess then...
06:01.12dtojello: thanks for your help
06:01.42jelloClaudio32m: so, man dhclient
06:02.07jellodto: do you have a gray screen with an X as a mouse pointer?
06:02.15jellodto: if so, welcome to twm...
06:02.16CryoVenombrb
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06:02.32dtojello: black screen, no pointer
06:02.44comperrwelcome Otixa
06:02.46dtojello: won't let me switch to a virtual console... so i'm kinda stuck actually
06:02.50dtoi can't log in, there's no ssh
06:03.31jellodto: try ctrl-alt-backspace
06:04.02jellodto: that should kill the x server
06:04.09Claudio32mjello - looking at the lease file /var/lib/dhcp3/dhclient.eth0.leases
06:04.21Claudio32mis that right?
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06:04.47nostahl_jello: how do i get my shutdown/restart buttons to not be greyed out?
06:05.08dtojello: it restarts.
06:05.09jelloClaudio32m: seems reasonable, but why not just dhclient.leases...
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06:05.24jellonostahl_: huh? what are you talking about?  please provide context
06:05.25dtojello: oh hey! i rebooted and it works
06:05.45Claudio32mjello - that file is 0 bytes
06:06.02Claudio32mand my ip hardly changes
06:06.04jelloClaudio32m: strange...
06:06.06nostahl_jello: i have xfce4 and the only button that isnt greyed out is the logout button but the shutdown button and restart buttons it dosnt let me click them they are greyed out
06:06.07Claudio32mthats why i want to check the last time it did
06:06.17nostahl_jello: is there something i need to install that isnt installed atm
06:06.21TrampClaudio32m: I suppose your public IP is on the Linksys-Router, not on your local system - or am I wrong?
06:06.27jellonostahl_: no idea, i don't use xfce4
06:06.30Claudio32myou're right treamp
06:06.55TrampClaudio32m: see - so you can't find it out by looking on files on your local system.
06:07.04jelloTramp++
06:07.08Claudio32mlook in status on router then?
06:07.13jelloClaudio32m: exactly
06:07.17TrampClaudio32m: maybe you find the information on the router - but I dunno how.
06:07.29jelloClaudio32m: try the status page on the web interface
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06:07.40CryoVenomok, my next little question...
06:07.59CryoVenomwhen I click places in gnome, and click computer, it gives me a small file browser window
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06:08.39CryoVenomis tehre a way to make it so it opens it in the same window as when you go applications-> system tools ->file browser
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06:09.18VasisthaCryoVenom: that's a question for #gnome at irc.gnome.org or whatever their server is
06:09.48Claudio32mi clicked on dhcp release and then renew and it gives me the same ip
06:10.09VasisthaClaudio32m: yeah, it'll do that. sounds like a linksys
06:10.19VasisthaClaudio32m: erm, I mean
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06:10.22jelloClaudio32m: yes, because that just an internal IP
06:10.28Claudio32mno
06:10.31Claudio32mthe external ip
06:10.32VasisthaClaudio32m: sounds like an isp that doesn't give you new ip's
06:10.37Claudio32mcool
06:10.45Claudio32mthats what i was hoping :)
06:10.47VasisthaClaudio32m: I know that time warner gives 3-day leases or something
06:10.50Claudio32mso i dont have to use dyndns
06:10.54jelloClaudio32m: oh, you mean on the web interface
06:10.59Claudio32myeah
06:11.20Claudio32mcause i cant remember the last time it changed
06:11.24Claudio32mthe ext. ip that is
06:11.24VasisthaClaudio32m: you probably do -- like I said, it's probably a 3-day lease, but it'll change eventually. You hafta *pay* for static ip :)
06:11.29truz_`24is it possible to have 2 debian installs on one partition?
06:11.35Vasisthawell ... heh, maybe you can get away with faking it
06:11.44Vasisthatruz_`24: uhm ... probably not?
06:11.48Claudio32myeah static ip here is 30$/month on a business package
06:11.53Vasisthatruz_`24: why would you want such a wacky thing?
06:11.56truz_`24Well
06:11.57Claudio32mthe base package is 70$
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06:12.00jellotruz_`24: sure
06:12.00Claudio32m+ 30 $ for static ip
06:12.06truz_`24I have remote access to a coloc box, and they will not install debian
06:12.11truz_`24So i was trying it on a test box
06:12.14jellotruz_`24: you mean like a chroot, right?
06:12.16truz_`24and I can't seem to get it to work right
06:12.19truz_`24yeah
06:12.20Claudio32mroot server rentals are so expensive
06:12.47truz_`24I was trying debootstrap, which worked but rebooting uses the new kernel i installed, but the old system's files
06:12.51jello$100/year
06:12.53ruthhi i  want some help on monitoring tool
06:12.53Claudio32m1and1 is 100$/month
06:13.13truz_`24i tried installing the new system into /debian
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06:13.24truz_`24but / is still the old /
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06:13.59ruthHow  to monitor a remote host devices ?
06:14.20simonrvnupdating mysqld, bot going down
06:14.22jellotruz_`24: http://www.underhanded.org/papers/debian-conversion/remotedeb.html
06:14.33truz_`24thx jello
06:14.40Jyzygzy-a command that writes foobar to all files *.foo
06:14.53Claudio32mdoes redwoodvirtual give you root access
06:14.59Claudio32mand a dedicated linux box?
06:15.01Claudio32mor shared?
06:15.02streuner_simonrvn: no worries, aptitude seems to work and updated
06:15.36jelloClaudio32m: i have an LVS, they may have other packages...
06:15.42Claudio32mnice
06:15.46Claudio32mi'll bookmark it
06:16.11ruthhelllllllllooooooo anybody there to help me?
06:16.32jelloruth: sorry, we only help polite people
06:16.50ruthHow  to monitor a remote host devices ?
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06:17.05Trampruth: a what?
06:17.13jelloruth: what does that mean "remote host devices"?
06:17.15ruthhi i  want some help on monitoring tool
06:17.16PythonNinjawhat the hell is wrong with me?! i simply can't get a dvd to play under debian
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06:17.39jelloPythonNinja: fix a few RC bugs, then everything will work just fine... ;)
06:17.49ruthi want to monitor other system CD drive from my system
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06:18.03PythonNinjajello: i'm sorry? i'm confuzzled
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06:18.03jellodefine monitor
06:18.09truz_`24where is redwoodvirutal?
06:18.10truz_`24overseas?
06:18.16rutha tool for monitoring
06:18.17Merphyhi every body
06:18.21truz_`24overseas i mean out of the US
06:18.23jellotruz_`24: western USA, iirc
06:18.25truz_`24damn
06:18.38truz_`24I like the prices
06:18.42jelloruth: monitor how?
06:18.56PythonNinjathe hilarious thing is that i can get it to work perfectly in the frambuffer
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06:19.31ruthinserting CD like that
06:19.37jellotruz_`24: just remember to tell them that i sent you :)
06:19.46MerphyMultimedia audio controller: Intel Corporation 82801DB/DBL/DBM (ICH4/ICH4-L/ICH4-M) AC'97 Audio Controller (rev 01) is my sound card. I need to run after every shutdown to activate it.
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06:19.55truz_`24Well the only thing i don't like is the dedicated IP, and bandwith limitations
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06:20.03truz_`24to get what i have now would be paying what i'm already paying
06:20.10AnAntHello, how can I make a NEW locale ?
06:20.17truz_`24Currently i have 1500 GB and 5 IP's
06:20.19jellotruz_`24: Fremont, California
06:20.26ruthjello : inserting CD like that
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06:20.50truz_`24But if you only need the $10 per month solution, it's great .
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06:21.03truz_`24I assume its a 10mb connection?
06:21.32truz_`24Yeah i see now... 9.6 MB/s
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06:21.39simonrvnAnAnt: i think you'll need to contact the glibc people
06:21.41jellotruz_`24: you use 1.5TB bandwidth/month?
06:21.54truz_`24jello, not usually
06:21.59jellotruz_`24: what are you running a warez server???
06:22.06truz_`24negative ghostrider
06:22.06simonrvn(porn)
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06:22.29AnAntsimonrvn: I just want a make a custom locale for myself, does it involve editing in glibc ?
06:22.36truz_`24So you get the 100mb connection speeds?  Or are they showing a best case scenario?
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06:22.53AnAntsimonrvn:  a locale for LC_CTIME specifically
06:22.55simonrvnAnAnt: i don't know, but not libc6 itself no
06:23.10simonrvnTMK anyway
06:23.25AnAntTMK ?
06:23.30jellotruz_`24: i believe you get 100Mb
06:23.31simonrvn@tmk
06:23.32ravenbirdextra, extra, read all about it, tmk is To My Knowledge
06:23.54nainefok guys thanks for the help earlier...
06:23.56truz_`24I just got the linux kernel to my home connection at 2.79 MB/s
06:24.00naineflater :)
06:24.03truz_`24I love 20mb cable internet
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06:24.25AnAntsimonrvn: what's TMK ?
06:24.34Vasistha&tmk
06:24.34aptitudesomebody said tmk was To My Knowledge
06:24.38simonrvn^^^ - the bot said it
06:24.45VasisthaAnAnt: ^^^
06:24.59simonrvn(for the second time...)
06:25.09Mr|Davehi, i'm running testing and trying to do an apt-get upgrade, which complains that locales needs glibc-2.6.1, but i can't seem to find glibc-2.6.1. anyone have any suggestions about where to start looking?
06:25.26jellobedtime...
06:25.29jellog'night all
06:25.37simonrvnjello: g'night, sleep well
06:25.42AnAntoh
06:25.44AnAnt&locale
06:25.45aptitudei guess locale is set your own locale in your shell rc files, or dpkg-reconfigure locales, or see /etc/default/locale, or run apropos locale (mainly for programmers)
06:26.12simonrvnAnAnt: that's not a new locale
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06:26.44AnAntsimonrvn: it is a new locale, as I won't use LC_CTIME of an existing locale
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06:27.30Mr|Davei also seem to be missing the debconf Dialog interface... not sure how that one disappeared
06:27.35simonrvnwell, it's either one generated from pre-existing ones, or a totally new locale.
06:27.57simonrvnyes we do Vasistha :P
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06:29.10AnAntsimonrvn: yeah, it will be based on a pre-existing one
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06:29.43Mr|Daveor maybe can someone at least tell me which package has glibc?
06:29.45TrampAnAnt: Not that I have any clue, but I think /usr/share/i18n/locales/ contains the locale definition-files, described in man 5 locale. Also see man localedef
06:30.14simonrvnso you mean to create one from scratch? if so, then you'll have to look up the docs for it (i wouldn't know how, and i don't know anyone who does)
06:30.36simonrvnthat would be a good place to start :)
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06:31.10Merphyhelo aptitude! after every shutdown of the system I need to run alsaconf. is ther any way to make the changes perm.
06:31.14simonrvnAnAnt: curious, what language/region is it for?
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06:31.35AnAntsimonrvn: well, that's a hard question
06:31.37amolvhi to all how to change value of superblock?
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06:31.53simonrvnamolv: *blink*
06:31.56AnAntsimonrvn: it's for lebanon or syria, but I want the month names to be in english instead of arabic
06:32.09AnAntsimonrvn: they used different month names than Jan, Feb, March,. ..
06:32.21simonrvnand there's isn't a variant for that?
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06:32.36Roy_MHi, I want to compile a program for an embeded system running a version of debian. I have a virtualised (qemu) copy of this embeded machine. Is there a way to compile a program on my virtualised machine and then transfer it to the actual embeded machine? Should I be trying to make a .deb?
06:32.47AnAntsimonrvn: there is ar_LB, but no en_LB, and that's logic, since it is an arab country
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06:32.55simonrvnyeh, of course.... i'm not the sort of person that thinks english or french names are used *everywhere* ;)
06:33.07simonrvnAnAnt: ok
06:33.10amolvsimonrvn: i want to change my file systems state not clean to clean ...so how to?
06:33.38simonrvnamolv: you run an fsck, you don't go messing around with superblocks...
06:34.11amolvsimonrvn:it is giving error 11..segmentation fault
06:34.18simonrvnumount the partition, then run an fsck
06:34.32amolvsimonrvn: i did same ..
06:34.42simonrvnwhat fs?
06:34.52amolvsimonrvn:ext3
06:35.26AnAntsimonrvn,Tramp: thanks for the help guys
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06:35.38simonrvnamolv: what's dpkg -l libc6 e2fsprogs | tail -n 2 say?
06:35.47simonrvnah, i wasn't done with him/her
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06:37.50amolvsimorvn:libc6 2.5-9 and e2fsprogs 1.39
06:38.56simonrvnthis lenny?
06:39.19amolvno
06:39.26simonrvn@info libc6 lenny
06:39.58ravenbirdlibc6: (GNU C Library: Shared libraries), section libs, is required. Version: 2.7-3 (lenny), Packaged size: 4886 kB, Installed size: 11680 kB
06:40.25simonrvnchecked your ram (memtest86+) lately? WTF are you running?
06:40.45_X_Greetings debianists ! My X server fails to start on boot giving me variations on "expected keysym, got XF86KbdLightOnOff: line 70 of pc" .. I've checked /etc/X11/xorg.conf but can't see anything like "KbdLightOnOff" at line 70 .. & what is "pc" ? Any ideas ?
06:40.57amolvsimonrvn: other os are running properly
06:41.11amolvsimonrvn : so ram is ok
06:42.12simonrvnwell that's not a debian system ;)
06:42.26Merphyhelp help help help .....
06:42.58amolvsimorvn: i am having all debian based OS
06:43.08simonrvnMerphy: did you add the modules to /etc/modules yet?
06:43.16simonrvn&debian based
06:43.17aptitudeYour distribution may be based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it unlikely lives up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. If your distribution has an IRC channel, you can use it instead. Even if your distribution has fewer people in its IRC channel, or doesn't have one, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian.
06:43.24Merphyyeah
06:44.10amolvbut this problem i am facing in debian
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06:44.49simonrvnamolv: at this point i can only say there's a problem with either e2fsck or libc6 or some support lib, or serious corruption, and debian BTS is no going to be of any much use to you
06:45.00Merphyhave done things like a) added modules b) created alias etc
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06:45.56Merphysecondly alsmixer etc work fine (i can manage vol etc) but do not get sound on speakers
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06:46.09simonrvnMerphy: my stuff just works, other regulars have more sound buggerage experience than me, sorry
06:46.40Merphyok thanks
06:46.43simonrvnMerphy: you running etch?
06:46.49Merphyyeah
06:47.02andrejHow is debians syslog-ng packet meant to be handled in terms of log-rotation?  I had to reboot my server for the first time in ~ 400 days today because it ran out of space and came to a halt.  Turns out that there were serveral large logs, because rotation didn't work ...
06:47.19simonrvnwell, the init script you can run the reload or force-reload to reload the sound modules
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06:47.53andrejlogrotate just exited because a file from syslog was missing.  A bit sad, that
06:48.06simonrvnandrej: i and many others just use logrotate
06:48.13andrejawesome
06:48.52simonrvnmeh, logrotate isn't great, but it works (mostly)
06:49.05andrejAnd how do you not break logrotate with an update? edit the script each time, or pin it?
06:49.30simonrvnwhat script?
06:49.48osmosis_apt-get upgrade   shows a new  xen-image-2.6.19-4-server  package. How do I figure out what changed before I install it?
06:49.57andrej' /etc/cron.weekly/logrotate
06:50.01simonrvnosmosis_: changelog
06:50.25osmosis_simonrvn: where is that?
06:50.31simonrvnosmosis_: aptitude can show you the debian changelog from key press/menu
06:50.45simonrvnin the package itself
06:50.46andrejErrh /etc/init.d/sysklogd
06:51.05simonrvnsyslog-ng has its own init script
06:51.12andrejNever mind
06:51.30andrejI'm having a major blonde moment
06:51.35andrej' /etc/cron.weekly/sysklogd
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06:51.56simonrvnsame for logrotate script, has its own
06:52.04andrejI guess that thing was left over from the initial install, and syslog-ng didn't come with one
06:52.11andrejso rotation never happened
06:52.16simonrvnweird
06:52.41simonrvn/etc/logrotate.d/syslog-ng
06:52.48simonrvnetch syslog-ng
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06:53.01andrejOdd
06:53.08andrejWell ... not, not odd
06:53.11andrejI have that
06:53.21andrejBut cron has no notion of it
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06:53.38simonrvnthat's the logrotate script... cron would only run run-parts on cron.*
06:53.40andrejI think I should go to bed ... I'm talking crap
06:53.46andrejAye
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06:53.57andrejsyslog has a runpart in weekly
06:54.00simonrvnobviously ;). g'night
06:54.01andrejsyslog-ng didn't
06:54.31simonrvnwell my etch box does (it's also been around the block a few times though...)
06:54.38_X_Ah, Debianistas ! It turns out to be Bug#407036 .. which presumably will be shortly fixed via apt-upgrade ..
06:54.56simonrvnthat's nice
06:55.06andrejheh
06:55.12andrejbye ladies
06:55.20simonrvn(that was only half-sarcastic, BTW)
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06:55.52kijwhat command can you put in the install parameter to not install x?
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06:56.11simonrvnmy wife/partner would disagree ;)
06:56.44simonrvnkij: eh? you mean tasksel? don't run it and/or don't select desktop
06:57.28kijdon't install it.  Don't want it on the desktop
06:57.47kijjust want kernel basically
06:58.22simonrvnum, clarification: 'desktop' is an install task in tasksel
06:58.46simonrvni gather that's what you're refering to?
06:59.04kijsimonrvn: got ya
07:00.19simonrvnjust skip it and choose "manually select packages to install/download" *or whatever they call it these days)
07:00.26simonrvns,*,(,
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07:06.20yangHow can I specify the size of Font in xterm?
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07:06.43simonrvnxfontsel is your friend ;)
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07:07.15grendal_primewhere do you point your browser to see analogs report?
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07:07.56grendal_primethis seems kinda crazy..i use to use webalizer and it was fairly simple..https://myserver.com/analog
07:09.08grendal_primehttps://myserver.com/webalizer
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07:10.22grendal_primewhen i point to this https://myserver.com/analog i get a bunch of graphic files. but that is it?
07:11.18subhahi all
07:11.34grendal_primehellow
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07:13.06subhahow can authenticate an user while attaching an USB in my system?
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07:13.36castyou mean how do i authenticate a user with a usb token?
07:14.14subhayah..
07:14.27Throatgrendal_prime, should look like this http://www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/~sret1/stats/
07:14.29subhathat means it should ask for user name /passwd
07:14.40Throatas you could have found out googling fore 'analog':)
07:15.06Throat'cause it's link two on the analog homepage(?) http://www.analog.cx/
07:15.28castsubha: i don't understand, you're contradicting yourself. what is the problem you're trying to solve?
07:15.46kgoetz&pastebin
07:15.47aptitudePlease don't paste anything into the channel; use a paste site instead, like: http://paste.lisp.org or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://pastebin.ca/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. --- Also ask me: <pastebin pipe>
07:16.20Throatand i think you should edit something like /etc/analog.conf or whatever it is to configure what output is exactly created - could be that it's only a small subset by default
07:16.48subhacast:actually i want my system should ask for user name/passwd while attaching any external usb drive in my system
07:17.01Throat?
07:17.06Throatwhat good should that do?
07:17.08castsubha: and the point is?
07:17.47subhacast:point means?i could get it
07:17.56Throatsubha,  what good should that do?
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07:18.19Throatsubha, it was just a different way to phrase my question
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07:19.07Throator to phrase it yet another way: why on earth would you want to do that
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07:19.25subhathroat:i want to make my system more secure
07:20.10subhaso that nobody can attach any external drive to copy something from my system..
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07:20.40Throatsubha, but you said you wanted to ask for their password when an usb drive is connected
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07:21.34subhathroat:yes,that means only authenticated/valid users can access the system
07:21.43Throatthat is the default
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07:21.49subhawho knows the usr name/passwd
07:22.23Throatthere is nothing you have to do for that...
07:22.25Penixsubha: stop and think about what you're trying to say
07:22.45Penixsubha: do you want to encrypt a drive, so that it can't be read if the actual drive is in the bad guy's hands?
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07:23.21subhaPenix:no ...
07:23.41Throathm, maybe there is a "guest" account that allows public acces, but he only wants authenticated user to be able to use USB drives?
07:24.01Throatthis is a bit like charade :)
07:24.05stewsubha: when you plugin an external drive, does it get automatically mounted?
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07:24.15subhayes
07:24.20Penixdon't give morons accounts on your system would be easiest
07:24.27stewsubha: do you use gnome? kde?
07:24.33subhagnome
07:24.34troytroyhi folks what options do i give to "apt-get" to force it to remove only the specified package without checking for dependency
07:25.03stewsubha: if it is this automatic mounting that you want to stop, it is most likely because of gnome-volume-manager
07:25.16stewtroytroy: why would you want to do that?
07:25.45Penixwhy would the package's deps be an issue on removal?
07:25.48subhamy usb automatically mount in a specific point which i have mentioned in my fstab file
07:25.50simonrvnbecause he broke something of course
07:25.55stewPenix: the reverse deps
07:25.57troytroystew i need to maintain some pkgs b'cos its need by other
07:26.24Throatsubha, possible other packages doing that would be usbmount ... just uninstall the package which does the automatic mounting
07:26.25Penixsubha: so, who is possibly accessing this drive that you don't want them to? and are they using your account?
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07:26.41troytroyhi folks what options do i give to "apt-get" to force it to remove only the specified package without checking for dependency
07:26.46stewtroytroy: what package are you removing?  which package are you trying to prevent it from removing?
07:26.58troytroystew openbsd-inetd
07:27.21subhathen also my problem is not getting over..still they can mount the usb
07:27.23stewtroytroy: you are trying to remove which package?
07:28.05PenixI'd assume there'd be some sort of udev rule that specifies who can and can't mount hotplugged mass storage devices
07:28.11troytroystew openbsd-inetd
07:28.13stewsubha: make sure they are not in the plugdev group.  if the drive isn't automounted and isn't in /etc/fstab with the user option, normal users shouldn't be able to mount dives
07:28.38subhaok
07:28.40stewtroytroy: and if you remove openbsd-inetd, it wants to remove something else that you want to keep?  what?
07:29.38troytroystew of course
07:29.53stewtroytroy: which package does it want to remove, that you don't want it to remove?
07:29.59simonrvn*headdesk*
07:30.02Penixhehe
07:30.05Penixread my mind
07:30.08troytroystew netbase
07:30.18troytroystew so whats the options
07:30.37subhastew:ok.but think one thing when i am not in my chair and i didn't logout than anyone can come and access my system
07:30.55Penixsubha: yes, that's right
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07:31.10Penixsubha: so, lock your X session or logout of your console
07:31.16subhai want to avoid that situations
07:31.58subhaso that  by default everybody has to give username/passwd while mounting usb drives
07:32.22troytroywhat options do i give to "apt-get" to force it to remove only the specified package without checking for dependency
07:32.48simonrvnpeople have given you several options already. how about you try them out instead of restating the problem repeatedly?
07:32.48Penix@repeat
07:32.49ravenbirdIf nobody answers your question, don't just repeat it; we all heard you the first time.  more likely, nobody knows the answer (/msg dpkg ask), or you need to provide more information (/msg dpkg sicco)), or ask me about "rephrase", or there are people who will refuse to help you at all after you've spammed the channel with the same request.
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07:32.55Penixmeh. bit long
07:32.59stewtroytroy: your options are to just leave openbsd-inetd, or use equivs to make a fake openbsd-inetd package: /msg aptitude equivs
07:33.18stewtroytroy: or replace openbsd-inetd with another superserver, like xinetd
07:33.35stewtroytroy: why do you want to remove openbsd-inetd?
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07:33.54troytroystew i want to install plesk
07:34.01simonrvnoh boy
07:34.10subhahow is it possible?
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07:34.17Throatsubha, avoid leaving your place without locking the screen... just disabling the mounting of an usb drive doesnt help you much....
07:34.35wald0I want to build a kernel without initrd, but on that case it don't boots, what i need to do ? enable all those ide/sata modules in "y" mode ?
07:35.01stewsubha: you can lock your terminal, or you can make sure that drives are not automounted, and that your account isn't priveliged to mount via sudo or some other mechanism, and make sure the usb drives are no longer automounted
07:35.08Penixsubha: you can achieve what you wanna do by using stew's suggestion about the plugdev group
07:35.26Penixsubha: only add trusted users to the group
07:35.36stewand there are no trusted users
07:35.40simonrvnwald0: for instance. also your / fs should be [Y] too, and anything else you'll need to mount / for
07:35.53stew(in his scenario, where he is always logged into an unlocked terminal)
07:36.02Throatsubha, "xscreensaver" or "xlock" packages come to mind for that
07:36.26Throator "vlock", if it's a non-graphical.. i.e. text terminal
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07:36.27friendlysysafter you make changes to your zone files, how do you make it affect changes immediately?  just restart named ?
07:36.34stewfriendlysys: rndc reload
07:36.36simonrvnrndc reload
07:36.44stewfriendlysys: or rndc reload somezone
07:36.51Throatso how did he type that within under a second :)
07:37.10Penixknows how to type properly?
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07:37.17scorchewhat did i miss?
07:37.20Penixloads
07:37.28scorcheack...sorry...wrong channel
07:37.30friendlysyshow long does it usually take to propagate
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07:37.39stewfriendlysys: what does propagate mean?
07:37.43simonrvn24-48 globally
07:37.47stewhuh?
07:37.53friendlysyswhat about for subdomains
07:37.57ThroatPenix, no, he plenks
07:38.08stew24-48 what?
07:38.20subhaso guys by default is not it possible,without installing extra packages?
07:38.24simonrvnh
07:38.31stewsubha: yes it is possible
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07:38.46simonrvnactually probably up to 3 days...
07:38.54stewsimonrvn: for what?
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07:39.05subhastew:how?is it what you told?
07:39.06simonrvndomain changes
07:39.12Mr|DaveGoogle seems to be no help, does anyone know how to correct "No usable dialog-like program is installed, so the dialog based frontend cannot be used"  ?
07:39.20subhastew:or some other way?
07:39.35Throatsubha, it sure is and it is as you were told, but we think that's not what you actually (should) want to do :)
07:39.35PenixMr|Dave: apt-get install dialog?
07:40.10Mr|DaveIs it really that simple? Thank you
07:40.13Throatsubha, what you really do not want is people accessing your account at all when you are gone... not disallowing yourself mounting usb drives :)
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07:40.46stewsimonrvn: you mean you are guessing that his TTL is 3 days?
07:40.56stewsimonrvn: or what is going to take 3 days?
07:41.06simonrvnan assumption
07:41.13stewfriendlysys: what do you mean by propagate?
07:41.15simonrvnthat's it's 3 days
07:41.26Caelumacroread seems to cut off half the page with xinerama...
07:42.07stewfriendlysys: do you mean how long before anyone can see the changes?  before everyone will see the changes?  your nameserver will publish the changes? what?
07:42.47friendlysysyeah
07:42.55stewfriendlysys: which?
07:42.58friendlysysbefore it starts to resolve the domain
07:43.09stewfriendlysys: it happens as soon as you run rndc reload
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07:43.25simonrvnthat it's*
07:43.26friendlysysdoes subdomains propagate faster than regular domains?
07:43.41subhaThroat:some times it may require what i want.and actually i want this one.there should be some tools/security packages what will ask the user to authenticate them every time for some perticular event
07:43.47stewfriendlysys: what do you mean by propagate?  propagate to where?
07:43.50wald0simonrvn: ok, thx
07:44.06friendlysysstew: google dns propagate
07:44.31simonrvnstew: and yeh, was kinds stupid of me to assume that, since it does depend on the ttl
07:44.35simonrvnkinda
07:44.36stewfriendlysys: you'll have to be more specific than that?
07:44.37subhaand here the event is mounting usbs.
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07:44.47wald0btw, for what exactly is needed to install nvidia-kernel-common package if with the .ko and the -glx is sufficient ?
07:44.52stewfriendlysys: do you mean propagates to the slave server?  to a non-authoritative caching server?
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07:45.07stewthe only real propagation that happens for a zone is from master to slave
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07:45.14stewand that should happen instantly
07:45.20simonrvn@stew++
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07:46.59stewfriendlysys: if you mean "when will my buddy down the street see the change, he is still seeing the old ip address", then you are asking about the TTL which is set in the SOA for the zone
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07:48.26friendlysysno shit sherlock
07:48.58friendlysysi just wanted to know if subdomain propagates faster than standard domains thats all
07:49.41stewfriendlysys: what do you mean by propagate?
07:49.43liablehave they finally given up on dwn?
07:50.52simonrvnfriendlysys: why didn't you just say that, and save some time and energy?
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07:53.10friendlysyslol
07:53.47kgoetzliable: the newsletter? :\
07:53.51friendlysysstew, propagate means its when dns is spread across all dns servers across the world
07:55.03stewfriendlysys: it doesn't get spread across all the dns servers in the world, just to your slave server(s).
07:55.10\amethystand to caching servers
07:55.17capiirais a subdomain dns even spread around, i don't think so ? it uses the dns of the main domain!
07:55.33stewfriendlysys: if some server asked your dns server about something somtime in the past, they could cache your response, if you want to know how long they could cache and old response, that would be set in your SOA
07:55.50stewfriendlysys: which you could get by "dig somehostname.com soa"
07:55.58simonrvnfriendlysys: BTW, the answer is no
07:56.14stewthe answer is maybe
07:56.25simonrvnfaster than the main one?
07:56.32stewyes, or slower
07:56.35\amethystdepends on which has the longer TTL
07:56.37stewright
07:56.39simonrvnoh, yeh, true true
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07:58.59simonrvnoh lookie there
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08:00.06dasuntDoes etch's x.org have true transparency?
08:00.19simonrvn!wb
08:00.19dpkgthanks, simonrvn.  It's good to be back.
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08:00.32\amethystdasunt:  what do you mean by true transparency?
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08:01.09capiiraso see the electrics of your monitor ? :D
08:01.17dasunt\amethyst: I think it is called alpha transparency.
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08:08.39boguhhi, can i create an encrypted partition on an md device?
08:10.15dasuntboguh: Why shouldn't you be able to?
08:11.45boguhdasunt im having a bit trouble. do i have to create a partition in ths dm-crypt devices and set the mountpoints there as we? cause i see the software reaid device an the crypt device
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08:12.53dasuntHmmmm.
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08:13.31dasuntboguh: Assuming that you aren't encrypting root:
08:13.43dasuntboguh: (And I haven't done this myself, this is theory off the top of my head)
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08:13.48dasuntboguh: Set up the md device.
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08:14.07dasuntboguh: Then set up encryption as normal using the md device instead of a physical HDD.
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08:14.47dasuntboguh: Also, maybe look at:  http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/RAIDvsCrypto
08:15.27boguhdasunt thank you, link seems to be what im searching for
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08:15.54dasuntboguh: Also, depending on what you are doing, think about encrypting swap.
08:15.57milliganI've got a fresh install of debian. I'd like to enable my remote desktop, but I'm at a remote location with only ssh access at the moment. Which files do I have to edit to enable it ?
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08:16.19dasuntmilligan: You on X?
08:16.46dasuntmilligan: If so, 'ssh -X -f <hostname> xterm' will get you an xterm, assuming you are on an OS with an x-server.
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08:17.12milligandasunt: I'm on X on this computer, yes. And X is enabled on the machine at home. I'd like to enable the gnome remote desktop though, so I can vncview my desktop.
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08:18.12dasuntmilligan: What is the gnome configuration tool?
08:18.15Penixmilligan: you can use gconftool
08:18.34dasunt'vino'?
08:18.34Penixmilligan: /desktop/gnome/remote_access...?
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08:19.02Penixor, yeah, maybe ssh -X the vino-preferences app
08:19.19milliganWhat's the name of that app ?
08:19.27Penixvino-preferences
08:19.46milligancheers
08:20.22dasuntssh -X is great magic.
08:20.44dasuntboguh: Btw, I admire you.  I keep meaning to do encrypted fs/swap one of these days.
08:20.53dasuntSince with CPU power, I can't really say it isn't worthwhile.
08:21.40PDanihow can i change the visible name of a process (which displays in ps list)? it's important because i would like to use start-stop-daemon to start a program, and i have to give a password as a command line argument...
08:22.53Throatsubha, sure, there might be reasons to want users not have mount usb drives - but it is not very useful to have them re-type their password for that. If they are logged in, they are authenticated. That's it - it's in their responsibility to make sure nobody else uses thier account
08:23.54milliganPenix: do I have to start any services for it to work, or would changing the preferences in vino-preferences do the trick ?
08:24.13dasuntPDani: Have you considered recording the pid?
08:24.29dasuntPDani: And using a script to run the program, perhaps?
08:25.44PDanidasunt: i have a pidfile, created by start-stop-daemon
08:26.40PDanidasunt: i start it from a script, from an init.d script
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08:27.45gamagI am having a strange problem with epiphany browser. I am unable to type anything in the text boxes, say the user name box of gmail.com. Everything works fine with Iceweasel though. Please helpl.
08:27.46Penixmilligan: on my system enabling it in the prefs runs a vino-server instance
08:27.58dasuntPDani: You may be able to wrap it in a scripting language.
08:28.01Penixmilligan: so, yes, it *should* work straight away
08:28.18PDanidasunt: hm... maybe with bash exec builtin...
08:28.23PDanii'll try it
08:28.56dasuntPDani: http://www.perlmonks.org/?node_id=308126
08:29.01dasuntPDani: It looks like you can reassign $0
08:29.03milliganPenix: what's the daemon named in netstat -nlp, and what port does it listen to ?
08:29.23Penixmilligan: like I said, vino-server
08:29.42dasuntPDani: Also, couldn't you use 'expect'?
08:29.45Penixafaik it's all just vnc
08:29.51dasuntPDani: And avoid entering the password on the command line?
08:30.25Throatha
08:30.27milliganPenix: hm .. vino-server doesn't appear to be running .. nor is there a script to start it in /etc/init.d/ .. :-\
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08:30.33PDanidasunt: command line is the only way to give the password
08:30.40Penixmilligan: there's not supposed to be one
08:30.49dasuntPDani: Hmmmm.
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08:31.34baniareshi
08:31.38Penixmilligan: it's in /usr/lib/vino. I don't think it's meant to be used manually
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08:31.52Throatamazing, I actually have epiphany installed...
08:31.52baniareshow can i install firefox on debian? o.o
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08:32.06Mordbrannbaniares: apt-get install iceweasel
08:32.08Penix@iceweasel
08:32.13neoticiceweasel isn't firefox :(
08:32.16dasuntPDani: If you don't mind me asking, what program is it?
08:32.16baniaresiceweasel?
08:32.20Penixpfft. stupid bot
08:32.20neoticiceweasel is debians fucked up fork of firefox
08:32.21milliganPenix: yep .. I found it and stuff ... can't seem to connect though... maybe there's some settings limiting ip ranges that can connect etc ?
08:32.33Mordbrannneotic: why do you say fucked up?
08:32.35dasunticewasel is firefox without firefox branding issues.
08:32.42baniaresoooo
08:32.47baniaresi have iceweasel XD
08:33.03dasuntIIRC, debian ran into problems adding security patches to firefox.
08:33.09Penixmilligan: if it's not working from enable everything properly in the prefs dialog, then you'll have to make sure all the gconf settings are right. man gconftool.
08:33.11dasuntSo they started to call it iceweasel.
08:33.19Penixmilligan: or use gconf-editor I guess
08:33.39Penixs/enable/enabling/
08:34.05dasuntPDani: If it is an OS program, you could hack the program so it allows you to enter the password someway else.
08:34.24Throatgamag, directly after installing epiphany or after some time of use?
08:34.53baniaresthanks n.n
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08:35.07friendlysyshi penix nice name
08:35.08gamagThroat: after months of use. I installed Debian Etch first,  used it for 4 months, t hen upgraded to lenny, used it for 3 months. today I had to reboot my box. and now I see epiphany doesn't allow me to type anything in the text box
08:35.13dasuntPDani: Also, there's a /proc/<pid>/cmdline
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08:36.08gamagThroat: I can check and uncheck checboxes. I can paste stuff into the textbox, but I can't type anything with keyboard in any textbox of epiphany
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08:36.29Throatgamag, if the latter, you could try either using it as a different user (who has fresh config files) or renaming  .gnome*/epiphany to something else to check if it is your user configuration
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08:37.11baniaresummmm iceweasel it's iceape? o.o
08:37.19dasuntIsn't iceape something else?
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08:38.15baniaresepiphany?
08:38.30baniaresooooooooooooo
08:38.33baniaresi found it
08:38.53ThroatI think epiphany is the gnome-ish browser with a mozilla engine?
08:39.52capiirayeah
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08:40.19capiirahttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Naming_conflict_between_Debian_and_Mozilla
08:40.52Throathuh, there's an entry for everything in english wikipedia... whatever weird thing it is
08:40.57dasuntOpera is non-free, but decent.
08:41.29Throatlynx
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08:42.36Throatoh well... night guys & gals
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08:47.27baniareshi
08:47.35baniaresi have another question
08:48.24baniaresummm when i press de volume down buttom the headphone volume get's down
08:48.40baniaresbut i wanna get down the master volume how can y change this? o.o
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08:50.25osubaniares: in a sound mixer app i guest... try alsamixer
08:50.37osunice ... =/
08:50.52dasuntbaniares parted?
08:50.53dasuntUgh.
08:51.02dasuntMay have killed his client accidentally.
08:51.18dasuntI was going to tell him that with my sound card, the 'Master' volume control under alsa doesn't control the rear channel.
08:51.26dasuntWhich is what I have my headphones plugged into.
08:51.32dasuntBut I have a script that fixes it.  ;)
08:53.29capiiraif he have a intel8x0 then he need that "options snd-intel8x0 ac97_quirk=hp_only"
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08:54.43boguhi want to format /dev/md0 but  i get the error that it is in use. what can i do?
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09:00.33indravenihi all
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09:00.37indravenithrough debian package, if I want to replace a file which has been created by another package, then how can I do it
09:00.40indraveniv
09:00.42indravenias, installation of my packages is saying that ,  trying to overwrite `/usr/share/locale/bn_IN/LC_MESSAGES/gnome-nettool.mo', which is also in package gnome-nettool
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09:03.37urvindraveni: dpkg-divert?
09:04.07indraveniurv, what is that ?
09:04.40indraveniurv, how can I use it ?
09:04.41capiirahi is there a way to leave a ssh session open when i exit and then join it again later?
09:04.46eth01yes, debian doesn't clean up packages very well. thats just something you'll have to put up with
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09:05.13liablecapiira: screen
09:05.31indraveniurv, what does dpkg-divert does and how can i use it ?
09:05.35capiiraa command ?
09:05.43urvindraveni: man dpkg-divert
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09:08.29doudouHi how can i make a script for a user that run each time he connects?
09:10.12boguhanother question about encrypted volumes: do i have set up the mountpoint on the encrypted partition or on the "real" partition?
09:10.41capiiraon the mapper
09:11.26boguhcapiira and the underlying partition? should i declare it as swap space?
09:11.34indraveniurv, i have seen the man page, but can i  get an example of its usage ?
09:12.15doudoui saw, i it something like .bash but i cant remmember i cant find it again on google
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09:12.21epsilonyou use mdadm, dm-crypt and LVM?
09:12.33capiirano, as crypted blah blah device
09:12.47capiirathere is a menu entry extra for that
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09:13.21iKernelI just took a linux distro test, and it came out with debian on the top =] I hugged my monitor
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09:13.42doudoui understood why unix has no futur, i read that human can remmember 3000 words and reconize 30 000, but unix commands only ask you to remmember
09:13.49capiirai assume you're installing your system right now!
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09:14.34boguhcapiira right. i set them up as crypto now. now ill use "configure encrypted volumes"
09:15.21capiirayeah type your password etc write changes and then they appear at the bottom of the list
09:15.26iKerneldoudou, I tend to remember words, and if I can't remember exactly what I'm looking for, I type in what i think are the first few letters and hit tab a few times
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09:15.57capiirathen you will have the possibility to format that encrypted device as ext3 swap what ever
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09:16.54doudouikernel, not enought, because mainly you remmember a feature and are not able to remmember what word is linked to
09:17.10urvindraveni: there is an exemple in the manuals
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09:17.21eth01!manual
09:17.22capiiraif you use random pass for the swap then there is no way to use hibernate or how ever if called on linux
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09:17.28urvindraveni: what is the name of the file which confilicts?
09:17.30boguhcapiira but first i have to create a partition in md(1,2)_crypt, right?
09:17.57capiirayeah
09:17.57iKerneldoudou, depends. if it has enough to do with computers in general, I'll usually remember what the word is linked to, rather than the feature.
09:18.07iKerneldoudou, mind a /msg?
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09:18.32eth01what can you do to the main interface of a machine, to ensure that traffic is processed more efficently, or quicker?
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09:19.57capiiraboguh, the way for normal users is create partitions -> create the crypto blahblah on them -> and create a ext3 inside that crypto device
09:19.57doudouikernel, the main thing one remmember is what he wants to do now, and probably he does not remmember if it is available or not ... so asking to remmember command ... as there are so many commands ... no all this is very stupid
09:20.16capiirabut make sure you create a unencrypted partition for /boot
09:20.23urveth01: have you tried "wondershaper"? i don't know if this is the right thing for you
09:20.56boguhcapiira / is not encrypted
09:21.04capiiraah ok
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09:21.21capiirathen its kinda useless to encrypt :D
09:21.50boguhcapiira thouhgt only /home and swap are necessart
09:22.12capiiraand tmp and maybe var
09:23.00capiiramaybe even more directories
09:23.09boguhcapiira this is fine for me. now the raid partitions have the state: crypto, not active
09:23.09eth01urv, yeah, that looks nice, thanks.
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09:23.33AVRSIs there a problem with packages.debian.org?
09:23.43AVRSIs it related to "FTP-Master back up" in the topic?
09:24.06capiiranope
09:24.14capiirabut packages is not working here too
09:24.19AVRS:(
09:24.20AVRSthx
09:24.40capiiraahh no its just super slow
09:24.48AVRShmm
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09:27.05boguhcapiira "attemp to mount md2_crypt at none failed", logfile says: unable to find swap space signature
09:27.55stewAVRS: http://changelogs.debian.net/sourcepackagename
09:28.28eth01does anybody here have experience with wondershaper, though?
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09:28.51AVRSstew: thanks
09:28.53capiirayou have a swap ?
09:29.28boguhcapiira yes, mirrored and encrypted as well. i mean, im trying to....
09:29.56capiirayou got that in the installer ?
09:30.28liableaptitude changelog foo works here
09:30.49capiirathe installer should not require a swapspace if you have enough ram
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09:31.06boguhcapiira i set it up manually
09:31.57eth01you will need a swap if you have at least 256mb ram
09:32.36boguhi have 1.5G
09:33.48capiiracan't help you with that problem, never got it!
09:34.08capiirasounds to me that its trying to access swap but can't because its crypted or so
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09:36.30capiiradid you mkswap it ?
09:37.37boguhcapiira i chose "swap area" in the installer
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09:37.58capiiraah ok then you're not doing it manually
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09:39.35capiirastrange, i don't know why, sorry.
09:39.53boguhnever thougt it would be that hard to set up an encrypted system
09:40.09capiirashould work fine i've done it several times
09:40.23boguhwith swap as well?
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09:40.28capiirayeah
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09:40.42capiirafull system encryption
09:41.05capiirabut for swap i usually choose random for pass phrase
09:41.17boguhaha
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09:41.36boguhcapiira maybe i should try that
09:41.46capiirathen the installer adds it as swap automatically
09:42.06capiiramaybe thats the key yeah
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09:42.45capiirabut iirc i did it a few times without random too
09:43.03capiirabecause of hibernating on laptops
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09:43.24HarisHello guys
09:43.50Hariswhat purpose is a broadcast address used for?
09:43.54boguhcapiira would make a screenshot of my console to show you my setup, but is this possible?
09:44.02HarisI'm watching 192.168.0.255 being used
09:44.26Harisnot being used as on a client box, but being sent/received traffic to/from
09:44.36capiirawithout being in a ssh and without a shooting a photo i don't think thats possible
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09:45.13capiirahttp://www.tech-faq.com/broadcast-address.shtml
09:45.16neoticHaris: http://www.freesoft.org/CIE/RFC/919/7.htm
09:45.26click170Haris:  Broadcast packets are recieved by everyone on the network, they can be used to efficiently distribute information to many hosts with low overhead.
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09:53.33boguhcapiira obviously this is a bug in the installer.
09:53.47capiiraohh
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09:53.58capiirawhat installer are you using ?
09:54.02capiirastable one ?
09:54.13boguhtesting
09:54.37nazgjunkhi, do i actually need to download all 4 dvd image of lenny if i can't do a net install?
09:54.46capiiracheck BTS and try another snapshot
09:55.01nazgjunki just need to get a basic system running so i can install my wlan device's firmware
09:55.09boguhcapiira ill activate the swap space later
09:55.14capiirayeah
09:55.16boguhnow the installation works
09:55.21capiirafine
09:55.28boguhcapiira so thx for your help
09:55.33capiiranp
09:55.50capiiranazgjunk, no the #1 is enough
09:56.35nazgjunkthanks - now let's hope my wlan stays up long enough to get it
09:56.35capiiramaybe you will need to download few packages because of wlan
09:56.35capiirabut thats all
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09:59.06liablenazgjunk: why cant you do the net install?
09:59.40nazgjunkbecause all distros come with the necessary drivers for my hardware but never have the firmware in /lib/firmware
09:59.51liablenazgjunk: oh, you are comfortable using wget and then copying it to the right place?
09:59.58nazgjunki have the firmware on my usb stick, but i can't install that during the netinst
10:00.25nazgjunk...wait what i actually have a prompt available somewhere during netinst?
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10:00.28nazgjunk>.>
10:00.53liablehrm, netinst doesnt have wireless-tools i think, so you are going to have to get cd1 probably
10:00.57liable!cdcontents
10:01.05liable!cd contents
10:01.06dpkgTo find out what is on what cd, use the searchable index at http://www.debian.org/CD/jigdo-cd/#search or download the .jigdo template from the same location and zless fooimage.jigdo. In the [Parts] section you will see the list of packages that are contained in the cd. Also ask me about <cd contents sarge>.
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10:02.04liablenazgjunk: find out if netinst has wireless-tools, if it does, you can just copy your firmware over after base install and go from there
10:02.06[RUsh]Where can I ask question about apt-proxy ?
10:02.11tripphello there. i just realized, that there is no asm-i386 directory in my linux-2.6.23.9/include... i would wish someone could tell me why it has gone? thanks :D
10:02.15capiirayeah that's why i told maybe he will need to download a few packages manually because of wlan
10:02.18liablenazgjunk: base is all cli though
10:02.25nazgjunki'm fine with cli, really
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10:02.34nazgjunkthat box will function as something serverlike anyway
10:02.53liablenazgjunk: you could probably just get wireless-tools package and install that with dpkg to from usb stick if the depends are satisfied
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10:03.29liableapart from that, you should be fine with the netinst
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10:03.46liablesave downloading a whole dvd
10:03.52liableor even a full cd
10:04.19ronris it possible to configure dhcpd.conf so that a particular option is only passed in the mac address matches a particular range?
10:04.20nazgjunk... i never noticed any kind of base install i think
10:04.20nazgjunkoh blah
10:04.20nazgjunknetinst appears to have wireless tools anyway
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10:04.51liableyou should be good to go then
10:05.53liableyou'll just have to set up your interfaces file manually afterwards, and bring up the interface and set it up with ifconfig/iwconfig
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10:06.01Crissihello
10:06.20capiiramaybe with iwpriv too
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10:06.28trippam i the only one whos linux-2.6.23.9/include/asm-i386 directory is missing? could someone look for his? thanks :)
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10:06.58Crissii need help with apt.. its stupid. it exits because stopping a daemon with its initscript failed. how i can force to continue then?
10:08.55Crissithe problem is that dpkg fails... dpkg -r --force-all <package> wont work :(
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10:09.04Crissihow i can force that
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10:12.37Crissiok.-. no help here.. so i went the hard way... removed the package from /var/lib/dpkg/status.. now my update works... but i think its a bug in dpkg...
10:13.33eth01crissi, try just apt-get install
10:13.45Crissiit fails
10:13.49Crissias i said
10:13.57Crissiit uses dpkg which fails
10:14.40Crissiif a package cant be removed (during script execution of the deb) then it breaks the dpkg process
10:14.46Crissithat handling is bad
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10:15.17Crissiit must be a way to remove a package even its broken or files missing from it (then it breaks too)
10:15.25petemcCrissi: that is controlled by scripts in /var/lib/dpkg/info/
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10:15.36Crissiso i guess its a bug in dpkg because force-all wont work
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10:16.41kuribasSince I upgraded to lenny I have tiny fonts in galeon.  Setting the font size in the dialog doesn't have any effect.  The upgrade also changed the theme I used.  How can I fix this?
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10:17.59vltHello. I need to run a cronjob `nice -n 19 find /foo ! -perm -g+r -exec chmod g+r {} +` every few minutes. It takes about one minute in which the load on the machine is very high (pdflush, kcryptd, reiserfs). Any idea how to move that task even more to the background?
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10:19.36Rappi have a problem with an MCP550 nvidia ethernet device. i cannot get any connection. using kernel 2.6.22 in lenny... i found some reports on the ubunutu forums, that they only work with gigabit with 2.6.17 -- does anyone know if there are newer drivers around?
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10:30.39AsmoohRapp, compile a new kernel from kernel.org then the drivers work
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10:32.47RappAsmooh: oh, that would be nice. did you try that yourself?
10:33.00AsmoohRapp, yes.
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10:33.30Asmoohbut not with a MCP550, with an older and newer one, stock and preinstalled kernels didnt work
10:33.38Asmoohwhen i rebuild it myself it worked
10:33.45Rappwhich kernel version?
10:33.50Asmooh2.6.23.x
10:33.55Rappok
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10:34.59Asmoohmy server is running MCP61 and had the same problem
10:35.07Asmoohworked with 2.6.23.1
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10:36.18Rappwill try...
10:36.26[RUsh]Is it possible to somehow telnet to unix socket ?
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10:40.24themill[RUsh]: take a look at the socat package.
10:41.06[RUsh]themill, thanx
10:41.10themillnp
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10:42.28themill[RUsh]: For a brief description on how to use it: http://cygwin.com/ml/cygwin/2005-08/msg00433.html
10:42.56themill[RUsh]: I've never used it myself though... my google-fu is just good this morning :)
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10:44.41dimirMoin!
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10:51.14milligancould I bother anyone here to send me an email with the eicar test signature ?
10:52.18Asmoohtry yourself
10:52.18Asmooh:)
10:53.03AVRSpackages.debian.org is really dead now?
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10:53.13milligantesting it myself will work ... I need it to come from an external site :)
10:53.25milliganand gmail and such block it since it appears to be a virus
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10:57.02tarzeauhm packages.debian.org connection refused?
10:58.13Rappdamn... 2.6.23 does not work with my stupid mcp550
10:58.55AVRStarzeau: seems dead
10:59.01tarzeauAVRS: ok
10:59.13tarzeauRapp: mcp550 being? disk? network? sound?
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11:00.16bsdnuxha - cpufrequtils is installed... do i really need this on a server?
11:00.44Rapptarzeau: network
11:00.49fastaIs there some program that says for every package what changed between the currently installed version and the newest available version?
11:00.59tarzeaufasta: apt-listchanges ?
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11:01.21aoeu1234What program can I use to measure my typing speed (words per minute)?
11:01.27tarzeaufasta: there's also the debian changelog and upstream changelogs in /usr/share/doc/PKG
11:01.33tarzeauaoeu1234: typespeed
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11:01.56vltHello. How can I connect vncserver to a listening vncviewer instance?
11:02.02aoeu1234Thanks tarzeau
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11:05.03Trewasbsdnux: it makes sense to use frequency scaling in all computers (where it works correctly)
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11:06.18aoeu1234tarzeau, I need something that can tell me my wpm
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11:07.26gholmHi all, anyone got any suggestions for a file archive/catalog system?  ideally web based like eGroupware, but with a self populating database based on the work that updatedb/locate does
11:08.25bsdnuxTrewas, i'm not sure if the frequency scaling is triggered fast enough for the virtual machines
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11:09.13bsdnuxbut i guess i'll change it to "performance" mode instead of deinstalling
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11:11.09Trewasbsdnux: well, it's your electricity bill :) I would leave it unless there are actual performance problems
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11:11.48fastatarzeau: but that requires one to first download the complete package.
11:12.21tarzeaufasta: no, you can read it online
11:12.39tarzeaufasta: on the PTS page of a package it's linked
11:12.41fastatarzeau: right, but a browser interface is not nice.
11:12.55tarzeaufasta: you can use curl to get it right into wherever you want
11:12.56bsdnuxTrewas: it's the datacenter's bill (though i'll have the bad conscience). the problem is that i have one vm running windows and i don't think it notices the change in cpu speed...
11:13.07tarzeaufasta: you don't need a browser, the url is generic
11:13.22fastatarzeau: yes, but the question was whether anyone already made such a thing.
11:13.36fastatarzeau: I can write it myself, but I don't care enough.
11:13.59tarzeaufasta: i don't know, but that'd be a oneliner
11:14.17tarzeaufasta: i've got a system to watch files like that and list changes (diff)
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11:14.20Trewasbsdnux: maybe there can be some bad interactions... I haven't noticed problems running xp with virtualbox, but then again this c2d scales only between 2 and 2.66ghz
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11:14.45tarzeaufasta: there's apt-showversions
11:14.46eth01urv, yeah, that looks nice, thanks.
11:14.49eth01what can you do to the main interface of a machine, to ensure that traffic is processed more efficently, or quicker?
11:14.55fastatarzeau: you don't get that in 80 chars.
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11:15.03tarzeaufasta: who said a line is limited to 80 chars?
11:15.10fastatarzeau: otherwise it's trivial.
11:15.12bsdnuxTrewas: ok, mine scaled between 1-2.8ghz. i'll do some testing. thanks for the input.
11:15.57fastatarzeau: what meaning does "one line" have when it's 400000000000 chars long?
11:16.30fastaOh, the Linux kernel, yes, that's a one liner.
11:16.36fastaI never heard that before.
11:16.49bsdnuxTrewas: just checked, the host is on 2.8ghz now and win is still on 1ghz... i guess i'll have to resolve this problem the redmond way (reboot)
11:17.05tarzeaufasta: you didn't define what you exactly want, but whatever it is, i guess it can be made with 100-500 chars
11:17.21eth01can you get modified linux kernels btw?
11:17.27eth01freely available,
11:18.07Penixwhat?
11:18.26fastatarzeau: if I had to define exactly what I wanted, I would program it myself :) I meant something where I can say whatsnew <package name> and I get a list of output similar to darcs changes.
11:18.38Penixeth01: distro kernels are patched (modified) linux kernels that are freely available
11:18.50Penixjust like any linux kernel
11:18.53tarzeaui see changelogs newer than what you have installed right?
11:19.12fastatarzeau: right
11:19.29eth01penix, if i was wanting to use another kernel, though
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11:19.33tarzeaufasta: i'd add that as a double-verbose or changelog mode into apt-show-versions
11:19.38Penixeth01: what are you talking about?
11:19.43karmatronichi
11:19.45tarzeaufasta: christoph martin seems to have written it
11:20.00tarzeaufasta: it's perl
11:20.06Penixeth01: you can install different versions from within debian or roll your own from kernel.org
11:20.51eth01penix, i'm guessing i'd see those by apt-cache search?
11:20.57Penixeth01: yes
11:21.16Penixeth01: most are simply arch/cpu optimized
11:21.30eth01penix, any recommendations?
11:21.39Penixeth01: what are you using?
11:21.43Penixhardware wise
11:22.07eth01penix, intel celeron stuff
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11:22.55Penixeth01: if it's P4 based, choose a P4 or 686 image
11:23.06ruthHow to monitor a remote host from my system ?
11:23.10Penixeth01: read the descriptions relevant to your chip type and choose the one that matches
11:23.11eth01Pentium III (Coppermine)
11:23.17Penixruth: monitor what?
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11:23.47Penixeth01: 686 is probably sufficient then
11:24.15eth01ruth, google hyperspin?
11:24.19ruthIn network suppose a person insert CD or open a file like that , i have to see these things from my system
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11:24.47eth01make a php app, which shell_exec's a cat on /var/log/*
11:24.47ruthIs it possible?
11:24.55Penixeth01: yuck
11:25.06Penixjust remote syslog instead of that garbage
11:25.20eth01penix, simple though.
11:25.34Penixevil though
11:26.16ruthI if i want to get specific kind of alerts what to do ?
11:26.37petemclogwatch
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11:27.20ruthpetemc : what is this logwatch?
11:27.26petemcits an application
11:27.29Penixruth: apt-cache show logwatch. find out
11:27.35petemcthe name kind of gives away what it does
11:28.25eth01penix, where in apt are those kernels then?
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11:28.53ruthPenix : ok
11:29.03Penixeth01: apt-cache search linux-image
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11:30.00eth01linux-image-2.6-686-bigmem
11:30.02eth01bigmem?
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11:30.49Penixisn't there a linux-image-2.6-686?
11:30.57eth01penix, i'm already running that i think.
11:31.06eth012.6.18-5-686 #1 SMP
11:31.26Penixthen...that's it
11:31.52Penixif you've got less than 1GB of RAM, then you're fine with that one
11:32.15liable4G innit?
11:32.25Penixis it highmem I'm thinking of?
11:32.35Penixor is it the 4G limit you need for > 1GB?
11:33.20xoredhow do i start a screen and detach automatically?
11:33.29eth01xored, ctrl + d
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11:33.41xoredeth01: detach automatically.
11:34.25liablePenix: normal kernels do up to 4 iirc
11:35.14PenixI'm living in the past I think
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11:49.25p-a-von sid, I'm trying to build pcc that I took from cvs sources.  Running make gives "error: expected expression before '/' token" on lines that look correct.
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11:49.47perfectorhow can i separately package my kernel headers??
11:50.04p-a-vThis code should have compiled clean on BSD systems.. so am I missing some packages on Debian system?
11:50.23p-a-vGoogle does't return that many hits for the error..
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11:51.01azeemp-a-v: is pcc ported to GNU/Linux?
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11:51.33p-a-vazeem: not yet.. as I see its pages
11:51.48azeemthere you go
11:51.59RichiHpackages.debian.org down?
11:52.05wols_what the flying fuck? wanting to try out this "baskde notepads" from kde and it wants to install  radeontool and uswsusp? hello?
11:52.06azeemRichiH: yes
11:52.26*** topic/#debian by RichiH -> 4.0r1 released /msg dpkg etch | /msg dpkg etch->lenny | PUBLIC KEY NOT AVAILABLE? /msg dpkg no public key | THIS IS NOT #ubuntu | FAQ: http://wiki.debian.org/DebianIRC | /msg dpkg bts | NO FLOOD: USE #flood or /msg dpkg paster | /msg bots NOT people | FTP-Master back up | packages.debian.org is DOWN
11:53.42RichiHhrm, apt bug
11:53.42ruthPenix: How to use this logwatch?
11:54.07eth01howcome packages is down?
11:54.09RichiHif you apt-get install foo, have broken depends that need to be resolved with -f, you can not -d the packages, it tells you you must -f, first
11:54.27iKernelRichiH, packages.debian.org is down? damn
11:54.38RichiHalong with pdo being down, that is a bad bug
11:54.40Bambri'm building my own package, after it builds, when i'm installing it - it fails, saying: "cannot access archive: No such file or directory". What could be the source of problem?
11:54.41eth01read the topic
11:54.48RichiHiKernel: it is
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11:55.07azeemRichiH: should be temporary thing
11:55.12perfectorhow can i separately package my kernel headers??
11:55.16iKernelRichiH, yeah I'm aware that it's down. sorry
11:55.24p-a-vazeem: the configure script looks for strlc* functions.. as far as I can see, every other thing is there and the strlc* are defined in a compat file
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11:55.31azeemMon 11:42:03 <Ganneff> packages.d.o apache is grad absichtlich aus.
11:55.32RichiHazeem: heh, i hope so :)
11:55.34wols_perfector: kernel-package
11:55.39RichiHazeem: die sau!
11:55.39telexiconWhat was that really insecure web based administration tool that they took out of debian?
11:55.46eth01!webmin
11:55.46dpkgsomebody said webmin was a lame web-based interface for unsafe system administration for Unix. Check it out at http://webmin.com/ Remember, dondelelcaro *hates* webmin. "i'd rather sit on the floor shoving table knives into live electrical outlets than run webmin on an exposed server." See http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2005/12/msg00790.html about the removal. Don't use their .debs, they are of extremely poor quality.
11:55.47azeemp-a-v: I'm not interested in porting pcc currently, sorry
11:55.55azeemor its portability in general
11:56.04telexiconeth01, thanks
11:56.05p-a-vazeem: ok, never mind
11:56.15wols_!de | RichiH
11:56.16wols_:P
11:56.28RichiHthat is #ubuntu syntax
11:56.36RichiH!tell RichiH about de
11:56.42eth01yp
11:56.47milliganhm .. I didn't think webmin was insecure? Naturally, you are opening another portal to your system, but as long as the admin has fairly secure password, it should be OK to use, shouldn't it ?
11:56.48wols_true. I've been infected
11:57.03RichiHthough i like the pipe
11:57.08wols_milligan: webmin had security holes since forever
11:57.16milliganwols_: what kind ?
11:57.22eth01who manages these debian servers btw?
11:57.36fireba11milligan : the everyone-can-format-your-hd kind
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11:57.42RichiHeth01: DSA
11:57.44iKernelI'm going to see if my australian mirror is up
11:58.15azeemRichiH: plus the local admins, Ganneff is not a DSA member
11:58.18iKernelyep.
11:58.27eth01RichiH, DSA?
11:58.32perfectorwols_: thanx a million... i was being stupid.. found the answer in make-kpkg
11:59.08streuner_aptitude, dsa
11:59.09aptitudedsa is probably Debian Security Announcement, see http://lists.debian.org/debian-security-announce/   Debian Sysadmin, the people you pester to install software and such on Debian Project computers, or fucking slow and never giving proper credits. unable to maintain a decent level of security on Debian Project computers, or lame
11:59.28RichiHazeem: ah, i kinda assumed ganneff was, as he is ftpmaster and oftc tech head
11:59.43streuner_eth01: a number of people, mostly DDs
12:00.05azeemwtf, that factoid is insulting
12:00.08azeemdpkg: hi
12:00.09dpkghello
12:00.21RichiHazeem: as is DSA's speed, sometimes ;)
12:00.29eth01indeed
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12:00.37liablehm, wonder if i'll be able to get to linuxconf.au
12:00.47streuner_azeem: no, dpkg isnt here, the same with dondelelcaro
12:00.54azeemeh?
12:00.56streuner_azeem: feel free to change that
12:00.59ruthPenix: How to use this logwatch?
12:01.04azeemeh?12:56 < dpkg> hello
12:01.05liablehe logged on a few hours back
12:01.16azeemdpkg: no, dsa is Debian Security Announcement, see http://lists.debian.org/debian-security-announce/ or  Debian System Administration, the people you pester (via rt.debian.org) to install software and such on Debian Project computers
12:01.16dpkgokay, azeem
12:01.39streuner_azeem: times changes pretty fast, argh.
12:01.41wols_azeem: what about apitude's factoid?
12:01.47azeemwols_: will sync
12:02.14streuner_wols_: stew just backup dpkg...
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12:02.49streuner_heh, didnt you told that yesterday? :-)
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12:03.35azeemman chmod
12:03.48azeemyos87: uh, also don't crosspost questions
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12:03.54castchmod 0000 maybe
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12:04.18yos87azeem: sorry, no body answered there
12:04.18sarefo_homeafter upgrading to lenny, i cannot open windows in X as root; any suggestions?
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12:04.34yos87azeem: there is only 300
12:04.45streuner_sarefo_home: dont run X as root
12:04.47azeemyos87: dude, nobody answered there *in 2 minutes*
12:04.52azeemyos87: somebody answered now
12:05.00sarefo_homestreuner_: i don't. i need to run a window as root.
12:05.09sarefo_homeon a user X session.
12:05.10azeemyos87: it's pretty rude to waste people's time to write up an answer when somebody has answered already
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12:05.18zerohero_samba issue here, i seem to have lost all contact with the pdc when i upgraded to latest samba in debian stable repository
12:05.19streuner_dpkg, wb
12:05.23dpkgthanks, streuner_.  It's good to be back.
12:05.27liablesarefo_home: gksu
12:05.33castsarefo_home: xhost +local:  ... su ... xmessage test doesn't work?
12:05.34yos87azeem : no answer, only you
12:05.37zerohero_have one server and lots of vista machines conected
12:05.52zerohero_none of them can find the samba server anymore
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12:06.07Bambrcan anybody help me with .deb package related problem? i made my own package and while installing it i get error message: "cannot access archive: No such file or directory", tried dpkg --vextract my.deb - it unpacked nicely, giving only warning on some packages aving timestamp in future?
12:06.43sarefo_homecast: thanks, i haven't used xhost for a long time, forgot that it existed.
12:06.49yos87azeem: I read already the chmod manual page, there is not explain about denying the copy
12:07.14yos87cast: where do you get the chmod numbers from?
12:07.45azeemyos87: lupine answered
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12:08.23zerohero_no one knows then, i guess...
12:08.49azeemzerohero_: what does dpkg -l samba say?
12:08.51yos87azeem: in the OFTC? in my page no body talked after my post
12:08.53azeemas version number
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12:09.57azeemyos87: then read again
12:10.00RappFYI: for everyone with a MCP550 network adapter -- it seems setting either msi=0 or msix=0 gets this NIC to work on 10/100 mbit copper...
12:10.02azeemyos87: or fix your irc connectoin
12:10.18zerohero_azeem: uhm, not sure, how do i parse the output? :)
12:10.35azeemzerohero_: you read the last line and paste whatever looks like a version number
12:10.41yos87azeem: why you angry?
12:10.51Bambrerrrm, is here anybody able to help with question related to building own .deb package?
12:10.52zerohero_azeem: 3.0.24-6etch8
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12:11.29azeemyos87: I'm not angry, I'm just telling you you're wrong
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12:12.45DustyBinif one wants to secure a box, are these tools worth using: snort, fail2ban and tripwire. are there any other security tools what are worth using?
12:12.45yos87azeem: ok, I'm sorry, I will no longer post in both channel
12:13.37azeemyos87: thanks
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12:15.13Bambrerrrm, is here anybody able to help with question related to building own .deb package?
12:15.45castsure.
12:16.00azeemzerohero_: maybe check bugs.debian.org/samba but I don't see the bug listed.  Otherwise, report it
12:16.03castall i know is from reading the new maintainers guide though
12:16.06nazgjunkFor some reason my system won't pick up any wireless networks, even though the same system with a gentoo livecd popped in will. I do have the drivers (zd1211rw) and firmware, any idea of what I might be missing?
12:16.19azeemnazgjunk: what does iwconfig say?
12:16.31zerohero_azeem: reporting isn't good enough, i need it to work ;)
12:16.39nazgjunkit says no signal, access point invalid
12:16.50nazgjunkzerohero_, reporting makes it work in the long run
12:16.58Bambrcast, dunno if you can help, but i'll try to explain
12:16.59zerohero_nazgjunk: i know, i know
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12:17.10Bambrcast, i'm building my own package
12:17.17Bambrcast, it builds nicely
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12:17.27zerohero_azeem: thing is, it can't find the ip from windows machines either... \\serverip\share isn't found at all
12:17.33Bambrcast, but when i'm installing it gives error message: "cannot access archive: No such file or directory"
12:17.36nazgjunkamusingly i'm connected to the same access point with this laptop
12:17.43Bambrcast, and fails to install
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12:17.46zerohero_azeem: so i', thinking something weird has happened
12:17.52Bambrcast,  any clues?
12:17.57castBambr: well. nfi.
12:18.16Bambr:(
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12:19.43ronrhi, I'm planning on attaching 2 televisions to a debian machine, is it senseble to buy HD tv's? (ie can debian / linux put an HD signal on the cable)
12:20.35wols_ronr: what kind of cable?
12:20.36liablenazgjunk: kernel versions? that driver is in pretty heavy development iirc
12:20.45wols_ie. most HDTVs have a vga input
12:20.56ronrwols_: whatever cable I'm going to put between the debian machine and the television
12:21.08liablenazgjunk: can you chroot from the gentoo live cd and it works?
12:21.13wols_ronr: asked another way: what outputs does your videocard have?
12:21.33ronrwols_: I haven't bought it yet, so that's still open
12:21.34nazgjunkhaven't tried, but i suppose it would
12:21.35nazgjunklet's see
12:21.55wols_ronr: mayne HDTVs have VGA or DVI inputs. they behave like normal monitors then
12:22.06wols_*many
12:22.12ruthPermission denied at /usr/sbin/logwatch line 1019, <TESTFILE> line 2.
12:22.25ruthwhy i am getting this error ?
12:22.52ronrwols_: and DVI (or VGA) input would give me better quality than s-video?
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12:23.07wols_ronr: certainly
12:23.23ronrwols_: ok, thanks (i know what I'm gonna buy now)
12:23.35wols_ronr: I doubt svideo can do hdtv at all
12:24.29wols_seems it can, but it's analog. DVI should be better
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12:25.01ruthPenix:Permission denied at /usr/sbin/logwatch line 1019, <TESTFILE> line 2.
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12:25.19ruthPenix: why this error is coming ?
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12:28.07wols_cause logwatch lacks the permissions to open some file
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12:30.08nazgjunkliable, works fine in chroot
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12:31.48liablenazgjunk: ok, so you need to get a shiny new kernel for your debian install. wireless-2.6 has all the latest wifi goodness
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12:32.22nazgjunkoh blah >.> i'll go and have a look, thanks
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12:32.55wols_SamuraiDio: not debian's problem
12:33.11liablenazgjunk: depending on whether gentoo patches heavily (i suspect yes for the live cd) you may get away with just a recent vanilla
12:33.17SamuraiDioi'm having this only on one machine, another amd64 update fine
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12:33.32wols_SamuraiDio: still not a debian problem
12:34.48SamuraiDiowols_, but i think thats a problem with my sources, or something, because itsonly that machine
12:35.19wols_SamuraiDio: if you said ti works elsewhere, then compare
12:35.48SamuraiDiowols_, but its the same entry on sources.list
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12:36.57wols_SamuraiDio: is one amd64 the other i386?
12:37.33SamuraiDiowols_, no the other is amd64 too, at least the kenel version
12:37.35ruthanyone please tell me about logwatch
12:37.57wols_SamuraiDio: then it's NOT amd64 but i386
12:38.15SamuraiDiowols_, huh!??
12:38.15wols_SamuraiDio: there is your answer. ans dor the last time: not a debian problem, ask opera.com
12:38.35wols_SamuraiDio: if your kernel is amd64 and userland is i386, then it's a i386 installation
12:39.06SamuraiDiowols_, ahh
12:39.26SamuraiDiowols_, how can i check that?
12:39.28dimirBambr: vylezi!
12:39.31liableruth: you usually just install it and it works. the docs mention how to configure it (/usr/share/doc/logwatch)
12:39.39SamuraiDiowols_, the useland?
12:39.44Bambrdimir, :P
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12:39.49dimir:-D
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12:40.52reZohai nazgjunk
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12:41.13gamagwhich package is responsible for the linux kernel?
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12:41.14nazgjunkhai
12:41.20Alias_debian
12:41.24Alias_aha
12:41.26tarzeaudoes someone have a beautiful .css file with http url?
12:42.10Alias_A question if I may. I'm building a virtual machine for processing some stuff, and I'm providing all the data by compiling it to an virtual disk and loading it as hdb
12:42.11eth01tarzeau, http://google.css
12:42.32Alias_I need a particular process to take exclusive control and startup, and for the machine to shut down when it ends, what would be the best place to hook that in
12:42.35ruthliable: i configured logwatch and i am trying to run i am getting error
12:42.38Alias_and -> at
12:42.41eth01ruth, still here
12:42.54Alias_Can I override init or something?
12:43.01Alias_or somehow replace the login process?
12:43.01tarzeaueth01: ugly: http://asdfasdf.ethz.ch/~tar/bts/?google.css
12:43.05tarzeauliable: mine is http://asdfasdf.ethz.ch/~tar/bts/
12:43.13tarzeauliable: the.css (online, same url)
12:43.33rutheth01:wht?
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12:44.16liabletarzeau: yup, you confirmed my thoughts, your bueatiful is everyone elses fugly ;)
12:44.21wols_Alias_: of course you can
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12:44.37Alias_wols_: I kind of gathered it's possible, I'm just not sure WHERE to do it...
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12:44.43dazjorzHi
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12:44.52wols_Alias_: kernel parameter init=<program>
12:44.54dazjorzWhat will dpkg --purge base_config do?
12:45.04wols_dazjorz: man dpkg
12:45.09tarzeauliable: show me some css that is more beautiful?
12:45.11dazjorzwols_: I know what purge does
12:45.15dazjorzIt's the base-config part
12:45.17wols_gamag: linux-image*
12:45.25wols_dazjorz: apt-cache show base-config
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12:45.31dazjorzsince it seems aptitude thinks I don't have base_config installed, but I do have leftover configuration files
12:45.34gamaghow can I install the linux kernel headers - aptitude install linux-headers-`uname -r` ?
12:45.35dazjorz"rc"
12:45.37Alias_wols_: I'd kind of like all the noraml stuff to start as well though... databases, network, etc...
12:45.42dazjorzI wonder what these leftover files are
12:45.48dazjorzif I purge the package, will I lose important files?
12:46.06SamuraiDiohow can i check the drivers/modules versions patched in a kernel version?
12:46.22wols_!tell Alias_ about sysvinit
12:46.52dazjorzany ideas how I'd see that wols_?
12:47.00dazjorzthe configuration files for base-config
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12:47.28gamagin aptitude UI it shows that linux-headers-2.6-486 depends on linux-headers-2.6.22-3-386 but my current kernel version is uname -r = 2.6.22-2-686. so what should I do to install the correct linux-headers to practice kernel driver programming?
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12:47.53wols_install the headers for your kernel, not some other one
12:48.11liableor the actuall kernel source would be better
12:48.15sepi am trying to boot a usb pen on a machine, the pen boots fine in qemu,  anyone have a idea how i can make the machine boot it ?
12:48.34gamagwols_: aptitude install linux-headers-`uname -r` doesn't install anything.
12:48.35wols_sep: depends on your BIOS, not debian
12:48.35Alias_wols_: Thanks, I'll read
12:48.39liablebios option
12:48.48gamagwols_: because linux-headers-2.6-486 depends on linux-headers-2.6.22-3-386 but my current kernel version is uname -r = 2.6.22-2-686.
12:49.13wols_gamag: what debian branch?
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12:49.24gamagwols_: lenny/sid
12:49.32wols_lenny/sid are two branches
12:49.35gamagwols_: I dist-upgraded to lenny a few weeks back
12:49.37wols_which debian branch
12:49.39eth01lenny, then.
12:49.45sepi ahve tried all 4 boot options USB-[hdd|fdd|zip|cdrom]
12:49.46eth01gamag, cat /etc/debian_release
12:49.52gamagwell when I start Debian, it shows lenny/sid
12:50.03eth01gamag, cat /etc/debian_version
12:50.03eth01even
12:50.05liablesep: zip should be the one one would think
12:50.09gamagcat /etc/debian_version ==> lenny/sid
12:50.14eth01yeah.
12:50.22wols_gamag: and you got the kernel of lenny which was available back then. this kernel is gone from lenny probebly and the headers for it too. either get the headers from snapshot.debian.net or get a new kernel and headers
12:50.48wols_sep: neither of them is usb. get a new mainboard
12:50.51gamagwols_: if there is a new kernel, why doesn't aptitude update, aptitude upgrade install it?
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12:51.17sepwols_, figures. im running out of mainboards to test
12:51.24wols_gamag: apt-cache search linux-headers|grep linux-headers
12:51.38liablewols_: what about zip? i think thats what my bios calls it
12:51.41wols_liable: zip would be a zip drive
12:51.53liableisnt that the same thing?
12:52.16wols_zipdrive is an IDE device using 100MB "diskettes"
12:52.30wols_liable: http://images.google.com/images?q=zip-drive&ie=UTF-8&oe=utf-8&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a&um=1&sa=N&tab=wi
12:52.43liablemeh, ok, i must be confused again
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12:53.46gamagwols_: http://pastebin.com/m55803b2
12:54.10tralalasep, what's on the pen?
12:54.13gamaghow can I find out what depends on what using the command line? apt-info or something?
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12:54.22wols_gamag: so why can't you use linux-headers-2.6.22-3-686  ?
12:54.23septralala, debian-router
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12:54.26wols_gamag: apt-rdepends
12:54.38sep20mb /boot    200mb /
12:54.39tralalasep, custom-made?
12:54.50gamagwols_: because I currently have vmlinuz-2.6.22-2-686
12:54.58gamagI want my kernel version and headers version to match
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12:55.05wols_tralala: boot kernel via floppy or CD and use the pendrive as / ?
12:55.16wols_gamag: then you need to upgade your kernel
12:55.29septralala,   http://gate-bunker.p6.msu.ru/~berk/router.html the page is a bit old, but the file area have a etch script
12:55.31wols_they have to match yes
12:55.44gamagwols_: yes, but shouldn't aptitude update, aptitude upgrade automatically upgrade the linux-image?
12:55.57wols_don't ask me
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12:56.01sepit's basicaly a script that takes etch, strips things that are not needed on a router and put it on as device
12:56.08gamagwols_: why?
12:56.09wols_gamag: ever done a dist-upgrade?
12:56.19gamagwols_: yes, when I dist-upgraded to lenny.
12:56.25wols_lately I mean
12:56.30gamagwhich installed linux-image-2.6.22-2-686
12:56.48gamagwols_: after upgrading to lenny a few weeks back, I have always been doing aptitude update; aptitude upgrade
12:56.48yanghttp://packages.debian.org/ seem to be down?
12:56.54eth01yang, yes it is.
12:56.58eth01PACKAGES is down! :P
12:57.09yos87in chmod, there is ony write, read, excute, But I want to make folder no body can copy from it, how to do? chmod a=x made the folder not accessable
12:57.15gamagto upgrade linux-image, do I have to do dist-upgrade?
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12:57.30gamagshouldn't only aptitude upgrade, upgrade the linux-image?
12:57.36wols_yos87: ACLs
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12:58.00yos87wols_: what is the ACLs?
12:58.08wols_!ACL
12:58.08dpkgwell, acl is Access Control List or http://acl.bestbits.at/ or http://www.informatik.uni-bremen.de/~agbs/live/acl_eng.html, or at http://www.suse.de/~agruen/acl/linux-acls/online/
12:58.29tralalasep, what happens when you try to boot fromusb?
12:58.37[RUsh]I'm trying to remove deprecation varnings from app written for old Pylons version. Working with warning about config.Config is deprecated, I get this: http://pylonshq.com/pasties/600
12:59.15yos87wols_: I download, or I read the manual?
12:59.19wols_[RUsh]: asked #python?
12:59.29wols_yos87: if you want to use it: both
12:59.42wols_probably some kernel patching and compiling too
12:59.51yos87wols_: I want
13:00.08[RUsh]Sorry
13:00.16[RUsh]Please, sorry
13:00.42azeemyos87: try to make the directory readable, but not executable
13:00.49septralala, in qemu it works fine grub-kernel-os, but on the machines iv tried it just dont find any boot device.
13:00.58sepgoing to try a laptopnow
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13:02.37yos87azeem: the same, Permission Denied
13:02.43tralalasep, is your first partition FAT?
13:02.53azeemyos87: permission denied when doing what?
13:03.34yos87azeem: chmod a=r file then when I try to copy it said permission denied
13:03.42sepext2 + grub
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13:04.06azeemyos87: isn't that what you're trying to achieve?
13:04.25levanderAnybody can tell me where to go to find out what I need to run Windows under Linux using Xen and Vanderpool?
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13:04.50yos87azeem: yes, that, But it also not opening, it say permission denied when I want to open the folder also
13:05.19azeemopen how?
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13:05.41sepyay worked on my laptop
13:05.41gamagto upgrade linux-image, do I have to do dist-upgrade? shouldn't only aptitude upgrade, upgrade the linux-image?
13:05.44tralalasep, it seems that grub isn't working always. Here are some hints how to make bootable usb sticks http://www.damnsmalllinux.org/wiki/index.php/Installing_to_a_USB_Flash_Drive
13:05.54yos87azeem: I have big amount of mp3, arround 50 thousand, I want people to be able to use, listen, But I don't anybody to copy all of them
13:06.09yos87azeem: when double click the folder it said permission denied
13:06.19septralala, it's just for testing,. my real device will have a onboard hd flash
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13:06.25anti^debian-netinst have drivers for rede/video? him detect my net automatic?!
13:06.27SamuraiDiowhats /dev/tty? the default output?
13:06.28yos87wols_: can I install with apt
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13:06.38septralala, thanks for the url ill check it out
13:07.00azeemyos87: you cannot do that
13:07.03anti^debian-netinst have drivers for rede/video? him detect my net automatic?!
13:07.08azeemyos87: if you can read it, you can copy it
13:07.18tralalasep, apparently booting grub from usb is bios related
13:07.24azeemyos87: that's a law
13:07.34anti^hello?! :X
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13:07.47azeemanti^: what is "rede"?
13:07.50yos87azeem: I don't want them to READ , I want only EXCUTE
13:08.06anti^azeem: net..
13:08.07yos87azeem: read mean's copy, isn't it?
13:08.38tralalaanti^, depens on your nic, but generally yes
13:08.42tralaladepends
13:09.05anti^hm. ok! :)
13:09.23tralalaunless you're using wireless...
13:09.29anti^it's normal.
13:09.49tralalait should be fine
13:09.53yos87azeem: when I make excute permission only, the folder become not accessable, it should open
13:10.02azeemyos87: how should the mp3 reader play the file without reading the music in it?
13:10.38septhis is just sweet
13:10.44azeemyos87: if you just want to make the content available to a single app, ACLs (or SELinux?) might indeed make this possible, not sure
13:10.49azeembut you just cannot do that with chmod
13:11.08azeemyos87: again *how* do you try to open the folder?  Which app?
13:11.33yos87azeem: I think that what's called "EXCUTE", otherwise, what's differant between excute and read?
13:11.49yos87azeem: I try to open with nautilus , or with the command line
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13:12.34azeemyos87: execute is for executable files, audio files are not executable
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13:12.43azeemyos87: how do you try to "open" with the command-line
13:13.01azeemyos87: nautilus will try to read the files to figure out their type, so this won't work
13:13.15yos87azeem: ls /home/yosef/ppp > Permission Denied
13:13.27azeemand the mp3s are in /home/yosef/ppp ?
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13:13.46Nazcafanthe debian kernel ships the new firewire subsystem instead of the old iee1394, am I wrong ?
13:13.51yos87azeem: ofcourse not, I'm trying on another folder first
13:14.13azeemok
13:14.24SamuraiDiowhats /dev/tty? the default output?
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13:15.18azeemyos87: if I set a directory +r-x, I can ls the content
13:15.25azeemyos87: I cannot cd into it, which is expected
13:15.32azeemyou need +x for that as well
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13:16.10yos87azeem: you mean chmod a+rx?
13:16.37azeem+r+x is back to square one
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13:17.03azeemyos87: but maybe you didn't see where I explained that what you're trying to do is impossible
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13:21.10yos87azeem: no , I read that
13:21.23yos87azeem: if you are in my place, what you will do?
13:21.32azeemyos87: give up
13:21.54azeemyos87: or hide the audio files behind a streaming server or something
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13:24.41yos87azeem: no quota management? to make copy 1GB limited for example?
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13:25.27azeemyos87: are your users supposed to play the files locally, or access them over the internet?
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13:25.47yos87azeem: only locally
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13:26.19azeemand are you trying to prevent exporting over the internet, or copying to an usb stick or something?
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13:27.05yos87azeem: not internet, from USB or cdrom
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13:28.22azeemyos87: just disallowing cdrom or usb usage is not an option?
13:29.30yos87azeem: of course it work
13:29.48yos87azeem: how to disallow usb?
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13:31.51yos87.
13:32.14yos87windows has options to deny copy and disk quotas
13:32.14themill.whois yos87
13:32.55Samurai_diowhats /dev/tty?
13:32.58yos87themill /whois
13:33.25themillyos87: yes... just fat-fingered it. or drunk-fingered it. Take your pick.
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13:34.03azeemyos87: remove them from the plugdev group
13:34.16azeemyos87: and make sure there's no legacy usb mounting configured
13:34.26azeemin /etc/fstab e.g.
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13:35.47eSa|anyone from chile can show me a working apt's sources.list
13:35.47eSa|?
13:36.20azeemeSa|: why would people from elsewhere not be able to do so as well?
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13:38.00sepeSa|, check the list at  http://www.debian.org/mirror/list pick one close to you
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13:39.02eSa|azeem, just for testing purpose
13:39.41eSa|anyhow, it works albeit having reasonable delays
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13:41.19liablei guess you need to ask the auditd people
13:41.37yos87azeem: yea, nice, It worked fine now]
13:42.00yos87liable !
13:42.15azeemyos87: that leaves CD burning, you can remove them from the cdrom group I guess
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13:43.06themillliable: Long time no see!
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13:44.49yos87azeem: I did, Thank you for help
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13:45.10liableyos87: hola
13:45.24jelly!why is xserver-xorg not in testing
13:45.25dpkgxserver-xorg is not in testing for the reasons listed in http://bjorn.haxx.se/debian/testing.pl?package=xserver-xorg
13:45.25yos87yos87: hola good, Gwen Steffani
13:45.31liablethemill: ya, lurking, working and trying to figure out other stuff
13:45.39gast14hello, i am looking for a font that looks like the lettersthe military uses, any suggestions ?
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13:45.57themillliable: ahh... that happens. Thought you might have got lost in heathrow on your last trip or something...
13:46.37liablethemill: heh, nah, home safe, just been kinda busy since. :)
13:46.41streuner_azeem: pdo is up again...
13:46.51reiser2Hi
13:47.14reiser2is there any way to open outlook 2003 files?
13:47.22streuner_yes
13:47.28reiser2importing
13:47.40reiser2hi streuner
13:47.58liablethemill: you dont have a wwan card in your lappy do you?
13:48.15themilljelly: http://bugs.debian.org/445625 makes me think that xserver-xorg 1.4 might never make it out of sid
13:48.25streuner_!info readpst
13:48.36liableradeonhd finally made it in
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13:49.16themillliable: yes. ipw3945 on my laptop, iwl4965 on mrs themill's plus I have variously had an ipw2100 and rlt2000 (or some such rubbish)
13:49.42streuner_reiser2: readpst - Converts Outlook PST files to mbox and others
13:49.49liablethemill: nono, wwan, like gprs/hspda (mobile data)
13:50.00reiser2hummmm, thanks streuner
13:50.25themillliable: ahh sorry... didn't read carefully enough. No... never played with or been able to afford running costs of :)
13:50.39reiser2is there a Debian repository to install it ?
13:50.58liableya, tis expensive, starting to get almost resonable rates for casual use here though
13:51.00dpkgreadpst: (Converts Outlook PST files to mbox and others), section utils, is optional. Version: 0.5.2-1 (sid), Packaged size: 55 kB, Installed size: 188 kB
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13:51.11jellyliable: does a cardbus one count?
13:51.18themilldpkg: you're slow
13:51.19dpkgNo, I'm not slow, I'm just overworked, underpaid, underappreciated and much maligned. Now STOP NAGGING ME!!!!
13:51.36tralalahehe
13:52.09themilldpkg: hit jelly
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13:53.03themillreiser2: it's in debian already, just an "aptitude install readpst" away
13:53.24streuner_reiser2: What does 'dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1' say?
13:53.33doomsterI'm trying to setup Debian4 on a system and I'm wondering where in the setup process I can select to use encrypted partitions..?
13:53.49azeemstreuner_: pdo seems to time out here
13:53.57liablejelly: hrm, depends, i am going to need to try and work around ibm bios whitelist, so am looking to see if editing the cards firmware and altering product id is possible.. ;)
13:54.00wols_!ig doomster
13:54.08tralaladoomster, in the partitioning step supposedly
13:54.15jellyliable: sounds like a "no"
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13:54.30wols_doomster:  http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/installmanual
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13:54.46gast14Found it, its called Army Font
13:54.47tralaladpkg, you really are overworked, aren't  you
13:54.47dpkgtralala: I think you lost me on that one
13:54.54streuner_azeem: hm, slow here too, but it works
13:55.01infinity0can someone recommend a good firewall for debian?
13:55.08gast14found it its called: Army Font
13:55.14jeff_hannfirestarter
13:55.20liablejelly: yeah, i think i am in for some head banging
13:55.44infinity0doomster: the setup is really unintuitive and complicated, i wouldn't bother unless you REALLY REALLY need encryption
13:56.00infinity0jeff_hann: k cheers
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13:56.04jeff_hannnp
13:56.11doomsterinfinity0: on a small, portable machine? definitely!
13:56.27infinity0how sensitive is your data?
13:56.43tralalainfinity0, shorewall
13:56.54doomsterisn't the question how paranoid I am? :D
13:57.22tralalait's the same question
13:57.33infinity0tralala: eh, already gone and installed firestarter, and shorewall doesn't seem to have a X or GTK version
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13:57.43doomsteranyway, maybe it's just a misunderstanding of mine, but is an encrypted partition possible without LVM at all?
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13:58.13infinity0tralala: if i remember right, you want to create an encrypted LVM2 partition, then volume manage the LVM2
13:58.17jeff_hanndoomster: yes
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13:58.24jeff_hannafaict
13:58.24infinity0tralala: to avoid having lots of passwords for each partition
13:58.31tralalainfinity0, however it does have a whole book of a manual and it supports everything you can think of
13:58.44infinity0oh ok
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13:59.12tralaladoomster, lvm and encryption are not related in any way
13:59.47castdoomster: encrypted partitions are perfectly possible without lvm
13:59.47doomsterokay, but the installer doesn't seem to offer that choice...
14:00.04castdoomster: sure it does. just not an 'automated we do it for you' choice
14:00.31castdoomster: go into the custom partitioning, set up whatever convoluted scheme you wish
14:00.31doomster:(
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14:00.38infinity0like i said it was ver very complicated
14:00.42Petrovhello
14:00.43infinity0took me 2 hours to work out
14:00.52themilldpkg: greet Petrov
14:00.52dpkgBonjour, Petrov
14:01.07doomsterokay, I'll see if I can find it now.... thx people!
14:01.20infinity0doomster: if you gimme a screenshot i'll be able to remember which optino it was
14:01.24zOaphow do I do recursive chmod in ftp in terminal?
14:01.28tralaladoomster, /msg dpkg ig
14:01.28infinity0well, describe the options i guess
14:01.53infinity0the installation guide is shit for instructions on encrypted partitioning
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14:02.06tralalathere's also the wiki
14:02.19chopsSo curlftpfs build-depends on libcurl4-gnutls-dev.  I currently have libcurl3, libcurl3-gnutls, and libcurl4-gnutls-dev installed (and no other libcurl packages).  curlftpfs compiles, builds, and installs... but isn't that wrong?  Shouldn't libcurl4-gnutls need to be installed in order to install a package that was compiled against libcurl4-gnutls-dev?
14:02.21themillinfinity0: please send in patches to the documentation as well. That's how it all works.
14:02.28chopsOr am I misunderstanding something about shared library versioning here?
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14:03.36chopsinfinity0: FWIW, I also found setting up encrypted partitions to be a huge PITA with the Debian installer.  It's possible once you figure out how the installer wants it done, but it's not at all straightforward.
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14:04.49infinity0themill: ach i'll do it when i have a computer spare to do another installation, which will be in 5 years when i graduate and get a job :|
14:05.40chopsinfinity0: I was using an old beta installer, and sort of half-hoped it had gotten better by the release... hopefully someday I'll get time to download the current lenny installer and see if I can make it any better.
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14:05.51themillinfinity0: ahhh that one... You could play around in a vm to work out how to better write the docs.
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14:07.33chantanitohi
14:08.26chantanitohow do i know the total number of files on a directory.?
14:08.30infinity0themill: oh ok i might do that some time, but how?
14:08.40chantanitoi'm trying with ls....
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14:10.54themillinfinity0: How to do the install or how to suggest improvements to the docs?
14:11.04xwolf-i'm having a problem with my usb stick in debian
14:11.31xwolf-it mounts correctly but it tells me it has less free space than there actually is
14:11.32perfectorxwolf-: whats the problem
14:11.33perfector??
14:11.37infinity0themill: the virtual machine stuff
14:11.56infinity0well, the suggest improvements too if you care to tell me but i'll probs be able to find out myself
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14:13.02cast_xwolf-: does dmesg say anything suspect?
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14:13.28chopsxwolf-: How much free space is there, and how much is reported?
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14:14.07xwolf-i'll paste dmesg message in a minute, but it's nothing out of the ordinary
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14:14.23xwolf-there is 3.2GB and it reports ~880MB
14:14.41cast_what filesystem?
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14:15.41chopsxwolf-: Can you pastebin the output of "df" and "du --summarize /path/to/usb/filesystem"?
14:15.46xwolf-there's the log: http://pastebin.ca/810977
14:15.54xwolf-chops, in a minute.
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14:15.58themillinfinity0: suggesting improvements is easy -- http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/apes02.html.en
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14:16.56xwolf-/dev/sdb1              4022580   3115996    906584  78% /media/KINGSTON
14:16.56xwolf-igor@hp1:~$ du --summarize /media/KINGSTON/
14:16.56xwolf-334680  /media/KINGSTON/
14:17.09themillinfinity0: doing the new install is a matter of setting up a blank virtual disk for something like qemu, virtualbox or vmware and then booting the virtual machine against the virtual disk and the iso image you used to do the installation with. There are lots of qemu getting started guides on the web.
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14:17.18liablei always like du -h
14:17.26themillinfinity0: /msg dpkg qemu
14:17.30xwolf-liable, not necessary atm
14:17.35xwolf-but i do too :)
14:17.44perfectorthere is something called ncdu if im not mistaken..
14:17.48infinity0themill: right ok, thanks :) i'll get around to it sooner or later
14:17.52perfectorncurses based...
14:18.10mgpaulusAnyone around here play with schroot much?
14:18.11perfectorsomething like what htop is for top
14:18.42chops!anyone
14:18.43dpkgPlease do not ask if anyone uses <someprogram>. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use <someprogram>?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls>
14:19.24chopsxwolf-: Does anything interesting happen if you unmount and then remount the drive?
14:19.52chopsxwolf-: The only thing I'm aware of that can cause that behavior is if there's a large file on the drive that's been deleted but is still open by some program (and so its storage is still in use until unmount).
14:19.54xwolf-chops, nope. nothing
14:20.07mgpaulusI have a 32 bit system and a 64-bit chroot under etch/2.6.28-amd64.  I want to start 2 processes in the 64-bit chroot and am using schroot to do so.  But, I'm not sure I'm doing it the best way.
14:20.16mgpaulusI am looking for someone to consult with.
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14:20.58TrueDDHi all
14:21.01chopsmgpaulus: You've got a whole channel full of people :-).  If you wait for someone to say, "yes, I can tell you in advance that I'll help you without hearing all the details of your situation", you'll get less help than you will if you just talk.
14:21.13xwolf-chops, there's also nothing hidden
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14:21.37spq!popcon
14:21.37dpkgsomebody said popcon was the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. do the dpkg-reconfigure popularity-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff
14:21.41chopsxwolf-: Strange.  I've never seen that, sorry.
14:21.52xwolf-chops, thank you for your time
14:22.26mgpaulusmy current problem is that when the /etc/init.d script in the 32-bit environment finishes, I get a message umount:/var/lib/schroot/mount/etch-amd-xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx/dev: device is busy
14:22.37mgpaulusSo, I'm guessing that I'm not doing something quite correctly.
14:22.46xwolf-if it still helps, i've been mounting and unmounting with that volume mounter applet the menu bar has
14:22.55chopsxwolf-: As a random guess, you could see if you can turn off the UTF-8 encoding for filenames and see if that changes anything.  You might have found a kernel bug related to UTF-8 filenames in FAT.
14:23.03chopsxwolf-: (however unlikely that is)
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14:23.10mgpaulusBasically I have set up the /etc/init.d/script in the 32-bit env to just call the /etc/init.d script withing the schroot
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14:23.53xwolf-chops, i wouldn't know how to do that
14:24.11mgpaulusso, the relevant line in /etc/init.d/foldingathome is:  exec schroot -c amd64 /etc/init.d/foldingathome start
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14:24.21mgpaulusI wonder if the exec is not needed?
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14:24.53chopsxwolf-: Try the iocharset=us-ascii or iocharset=iso-8859-1 option
14:25.09xwolf-manual mounting.. right
14:25.12chopsxwolf-: Or utf8=false
14:25.15chopsxwolf-: Right :-)
14:25.44xwolf-/dev/sdb1 on /mnt type vfat (rw,utf8=false)
14:26.16xwolf-and df tells me:
14:26.17xwolf-/dev/sdb1              4022580   3115996    906584  78% /mnt
14:26.31chopsxwolf-: Ugh
14:26.41chopsxwolf-: Yeah, I don't know.  Sorry.
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14:28.26blubberdiblubxwolf-: maybe the free space info in the fat headers is wrong ... tried a dosfsck (read only first, if you prefer) yet?
14:28.52xwolf-blubberdiblub, i tried that before, it told me it didn't support something
14:28.57xwolf-let me try that again
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14:29.35blubberdiblubxwolf-: don't forget to umount the partition first ;)
14:29.44peppohm. suddenly my iPod has stopped being mounted automatically. my external usb hard drive mounts fine, but not the ipod. I have to mount it manually...
14:29.59infinity0er... i seem to have lost the locate command, how do i get it back?
14:30.01xwolf-blubberdiblub, yeap
14:30.11themillinfinity0: use locate to find it
14:30.22liablepeppo: kde?
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14:30.33jellyinfinity0: which debian release?
14:30.37infinity0lenny
14:30.43infinity0i used that command not two days ago
14:30.50peppoliable, gnome. I have gnome-volume-manager installed
14:31.33wols_infinity0: /usr/bin/locate
14:31.35liablepeppo: check bts for hal and dbus etc
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14:32.08themillpeppo: are you also in the plugdev group and do you have pmount installed too?
14:32.09infinity0wols_: it's not there, when i type locate it says command not found
14:32.13infinity0what package do i need to reinstall?
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14:32.18DustyBinhow do you setup a VPN on debian ?
14:32.34jellyinfinity0: findutils
14:32.44jellyinfinity0: also, /msg dpkg search
14:32.52themillinfinity0: or slocate
14:33.06petemcDustyBin: try being less vague
14:33.10xwolf-blubberdiblub, i think i got something:
14:33.11peppothe_lalelu, yes and yes :/
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14:33.36xwolf-http://pastebin.ca/810986
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14:33.40DustyBinpetemc: imagine im at work and i want my home server accessable as a local ip on my work box
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14:34.10petemcDustyBin: openvpn
14:34.12wols_!vpn
14:34.12dpkgsomebody said vpn was see Virtual Private Network. see OpenSSH, or check http://kubarb.phsx.ukans.edu/~tbird/vpn.html for a host of info. http://www.vpnc.org/ and http://www.freeswan.org/, or at http://openvpn.net/
14:34.14DustyBinaye ok :D
14:34.46naivcan't we setup a ~/.hosts ?
14:34.47blubberdiblubxwolf-: one of the two copies is probably the good one ... the hard thing is, to figure out which. dosfsck heuristics (if it has any) about that isn't too good
14:35.15infinity0jelly: i've resintalled findutils, it's still not there >;[
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14:35.46blubberdiblubxwolf-: and not the statement about the free cluster summary. that's why it reports a wrong free space
14:35.53blubberdiblubxwolf-: not -> note
14:36.00xwolf-yeah, i noticed that
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14:36.12xwolf-and it also said Auto-correcting
14:36.20jellyinfinity0: you fail at Debian!
14:36.33infinity0sigh
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14:36.47jellyinfinity0: version of package?
14:36.49blubberdiblubxwolf-: well, internally, yes ... you didn't run it in repair mode, yet. it didn't change it
14:37.06infinity04.2.31-3
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14:37.17xwolf-and i'm not very keen on letting dosfsck fscking my stick
14:37.24jochieng_any body has some great tutorial on post installation of etch?
14:37.34jellyinfinity0: hm, my mirror only has that one in unstable
14:37.53infinity0jelly: and not testing?
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14:37.56DustyBinif you run a webserver whats only for personal use, would it be better to access it via a vpn rather than letting your webserver be public accessable?
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14:38.17blubberdiblubxwolf-: if the last things you did on the stick was deleting stuff, it ought to be safe to let dosfsck pick one of the boot sectors randomly ... the worst that would happen would probably be reanimating some files
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14:38.32infinity0jelly: huh that's weird, i wonder how it got installed :|
14:38.32mgpaulusWhat's the best way to setup a daemon process running in a chroot to startup at init time?  I need to start a process in a 64-bit chroot at bootup time and would like to start it up with an /etc/init.d/script
14:38.38peppoliable, themill: the device is shown in Computer as "Apple iPod Music Player", and I can click it to mount it. but it won't automount, though that option is set in gnome preferences and it used to work fine a day ago
14:39.03jellyinfinity0: I'll just assume my mirror is slow.  Have you upgraded with apt-get or aptitude and without Recommended packages?
14:39.04blubberdiblubxwolf-: _if_ it was only deleting stuff
14:39.08mgpaulusMy way isn't working quite correctly, as the schroot sessions are still running bot no longer accessible
14:39.13liableDustyBin: or you can make it accessable with htaccess
14:39.24liablepeppo: so see what you upgraded a day ago
14:39.26infinity0jelly: what do you mean?
14:39.36xwolf-blubberdiblub, ok, i'll just copy everything to my hdd and get dosfsck  running
14:39.42blubberdiblubxwolf-: otherwise, backup all you can get via the mount first :)
14:39.44jellyinfinity0: how did you upgrade your system?
14:39.45Toman--After a recent upgrade, I've been unable to type æøå into qt apps. Any ideas?
14:39.53DustyBin.htaccess is not secure on its own, anyone could brute force a .htaccess password auth
14:40.02DustyBin.htaccess + fail2ban maybe
14:40.09DustyBin.htaccess + SSL
14:40.19liableDustyBin: if you are that paranoid, maybe you shouldnt run a webserver
14:40.19jellyinfinity0: read the findutils' changelog
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14:40.31infinity0jelly: yeah just did, i need to install the loacte package?
14:40.50DustyBinliable: im running zoneminder, squirrelmail and x10 what controls appliances in my house so a bit of security is essential
14:40.51infinity0jelly: through automatic updates, except this morning i did it through synaptic by selecting the "upgradable" packages
14:41.15jellyinfinity0: apparently "synaptic" doesn't install recommended
14:41.20infinity0yeah
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14:41.29infinity0anywys it's working now, cheers
14:41.41jellygrate
14:41.45infinity0you can set synaptic to install recommended
14:41.47infinity0but i didn't bother
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14:41.54naivcan a user set his own hosts file ?
14:41.55infinity0i just thought recommended was "not necessary"
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14:42.21liableDustyBin: right, so its not a real webserver, its an interface for you
14:42.27jellyinfinity0: I'd recommend installing apt-listchanges and setting it up to show you NEWS.Debian before the upgrade.
14:42.33netgearwhere does one change speed of ALPS touch pad mouse in debian?
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14:42.38streuner_naiv: what for?
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14:43.03DustyBinliable: yes
14:43.08infinity0jelly: right, ok
14:43.09DustyBinliable: thats why i mentioned vpn
14:43.20liableDustyBin: then thats prolly the way to go
14:43.25DustyBinliable: healthy paranoia is a good thing
14:43.31xwolf-blubberdiblub, what should i do with that boot-sector/backup difference thing?
14:43.43liableDustyBin: unhealthy web server apps are not :P
14:43.48DustyBinhaha
14:43.49blubberdiblubxwolf-: pick any one when dosfsck asks
14:43.56netgearabrotman, finally i got my 3g card going
14:44.06DustyBinthey are not if they are public accessable, its not so bad if its only you who has access to them
14:44.06xwolf-it's asking me right now :)
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14:44.14xwolf-Differences: (offset:original/backup)
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14:44.22E-bolaHello all, can anybody help me with the grep syntax? I need to grep the lines from the past 3 hours from an exim log. the lines int he log all starts with this type of timestamp: 2007-12-10 06:26:51
14:44.31jochieng__#flood dpkg guidelines
14:44.35blubberdiblubxwolf-: well, pick the one you deem better :) if you've backed everything up, there's nothing to worry about
14:44.37abrotmannetgear: whoa .. only like .. three weeks later :)
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14:44.42abrotmannetgear: did you write a how-to i hope?
14:44.51netgearyes, on www.pharscape.org
14:44.55infinity0jelly: and how do i do that?
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14:45.01abrotmannetgear: good man!
14:45.03abrotmanor woman
14:45.19netgeari just want to automate it, so that super-beginners like me can plugin card and run one script
14:45.23netgearman
14:45.24liablenetgear: i waited for days for you to come back, I pasted your modprobe options just before you parted about 3 weeks ago
14:45.31abrotmandoh!
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14:45.55netgeardoh! ?
14:46.29peppowhat's an easy way to check if a usb device (hard drive) is running on usb 2/480mbps or slower?
14:46.30netgearabrotman, you know of anyone that has made a .deb?
14:46.40abrotmannetgear: of what?
14:47.08netgearif i can make a .deb instead of using script
14:47.37netgearI dont want people to all that I had to do just to make the card work, i want to make it only a click
14:47.43abrotmani'd have to see what you went through
14:48.09xwolf-great. It worked, blubberdiblub
14:48.16xwolf-thank you all for your help
14:48.23shogunxnetgear... what if i don't have a mouse?  how will i click?
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14:48.43netgearshogunx, then buy one :)
14:48.46blubberdiblubxwolf-: you're welcome :)
14:49.27shogunxnetgear  my IBM ESS-2105 has only a serial console.  still no click.
14:49.39abrotmanshogunx: does it have a PCMCIA slot for a GSM card?
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14:50.18englamy volume keys behave strangely. they modify the volume very unevenly
14:50.26netgearshogunx, donate your IBM to someone and get a new one
14:50.35shogunxabrotman, no, but it has 3 hours of internal battery and redundant connections to the mains/power supplies:)
14:50.44englausally in the correct direction, but for example not exactly the same amount in left and right
14:51.23shogunxnetgear  my point is, that lots of people do not use mice with debian by choice or other hardware defined reasons.  if you want to help others, making one "click" is not the best way;)
14:51.51netgearshogunx, a figure of speech , to make it as easy as one click
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15:02.52giga84hi
15:03.26giga84why am i getting error in storing the dvd iso in my computer fat32 volume
15:03.41jeff_hanngiga84: details please
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15:04.25mecca_giga84, It could possibly be the 2gb file limit of fat32.
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15:05.07wols_mecca_: 4GB IIRC
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15:06.01mecca_wols_, Yeah, nevermind, I think you're right.
15:06.22giga84i am unable to store the iso image
15:06.35giga84is there a smaller cd image
15:06.39giga84like one cd
15:06.45giga84instead of netinst
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15:07.36zorrolerogiga84: http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/4.0_r1/i386/iso-cd/debian-40r1-i386-netinst.iso
15:07.40giga84jeff_hann i am unable to store theiso with my flashget app
15:07.50zorrolerooh, _instead_, sorry.
15:08.05giga84can i install using cd1 alone
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15:08.30elmo40wols_: no longer sunday?
15:08.33giga84i can download the later progams individuallly
15:08.39peppohm, what alternatives are there to HAL? I think I have some problems that are caused by something else taking over for HAL. what are the usual suspects?
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15:08.55wols_!permasundy
15:08.55Toman--After a recent upgrade, I've been unable to enter international characters into qt apps. Any ideas? Entering for example æ yeilds very high-number UTF-8 characters, however, when I copy the ones entered and paste them into an xterm or a gtk app like xchat, it pastes æ, not the strange characters.
15:08.59wols_!permasunday
15:08.59dpkgAll days in #debian will remain Sunday until further notice. Unfortunately, outside #debian the world keeps turning, so you still have to get up and go to work. Welcome to PermaTardsday!, or http://www.lyricsfreak.com/m/morrissey/96007.html
15:09.14wols_peppo: a broken HAL
15:09.17pepporeason I think this: usb disk is mounted automatically, but on gnome unmount I get: "Device to unmount is not in /media/.hal-mtab so it is not mounted by HAL".
15:09.42wols_giga84: yes. ideally only download the netinst iso, it's only 150MB. you can install everything else oever the internet with aptitude
15:09.53peppowols_, I also see now what gnome-volume-manager is not even running! :/
15:09.57wols_peppo: it's mounted by fstab?
15:10.07peppowols_, no idea. but it happened automatically
15:10.31wols_peppo: then maybe check?
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15:10.40giga84can i get a standard kde desktop with the installed os
15:10.57giga84and how to start gui debian installer in netinst
15:11.02peppowols_, I will. it's unmounted now though
15:11.16peppoI wonder... there's no gnome-volume-manager binary! weird
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15:12.45wols_!ivman
15:12.45dpkgi heard ivman is an alternative to gnome-volume-manager that uses dbus and hal to be notified (upon other things) about when volumes are attached and detached allowing you to auto-mount or run scripts.  http://ivman.sf.net.
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15:14.32elmo40my ivman does not work... HAL is the problem.
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15:15.36stewelmo40: hal is not getting events?
15:15.40Anubis_becan anyone tell me how I can let /dev/md0 (witch is a raid 5) to automount on boot? (fstab or so?)
15:15.44elmo40it wont install
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15:16.02elmo40stew: i am using unstable.
15:16.05stewelmo40: why not?
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15:16.31elmo40let me try again...
15:17.04doublehpI need to grab a deprecated package; I need to find the .deb of the -dev package for "libglib2.0-0: /usr/lib/libglib-2.0.so.0.800.3" . Could something like libglib2.0-0_2.6.4-1_i386.deb do ?
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15:17.37doublehplibglib2.0-dev_2.6.4-1_i386.deb
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15:19.55doublehpwols_: I only found glib2.0 not the -dev ones :s
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15:21.28g00seUsing Gimp here. Is there a format into which i can save that would preserve layers that could be picked up by Photoshop?
15:21.55doublehpg00se: common exchange format ?
15:22.15doublehpdont think there is any :) maybe Gimp have an export filter for PS format ?
15:22.18g00seAh - don't know about that one (blush)
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15:22.51g00sedoublehp: possibly. Shall check
15:23.06Anubis_becan anyone tell me how I can let /dev/md0 (witch is a raid 5) to automount on boot? (fstab or so?)
15:23.19doublehpAnubis_be: depends
15:23.23g00se(Although would rather prefer the Photoshop bods to be importing an open format of mine)
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15:23.38doublehpAnubis_be: officially, this is binded in /etc/md.conf
15:23.39Anubis_bedoublehp: depends on?
15:23.45Anubis_beah
15:23.58doublehpAnubis_be: I do not use this conf file, but set "prefered device minor" using mdadm :)
15:24.17doublehpAnubis_be: automount is of course ensured by fstab
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15:24.48doublehpAnubis_be: but, once again, it may depend on your udev, devfs, initrd, or ivman settings ...
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15:24.54g00sedoublehp: Thanks for that lead
15:25.42doublehpAnubis_be: for me, my / is a RAID devide; prefered minor ensure that device nodes are always good (without using conf); fstab mounts ... but, many people do all this in initrd.
15:26.07doublehpAnubis_be: I tend not to use initrd in Gentoo; Debian have very good initrd builder scripts.
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15:26.47doublehpAnubis_be: depends where your pb exactly is.
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15:27.18doublehpproblem
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15:29.04elmo40g00se: doesnt a png save layers?
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15:29.51doublehpg00se: did you try #gimp ?
15:30.38doublehpg00se: Gimp has on my box a .psp (PS pro) export option ....
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15:32.59SamuraiDiomy sata hd, sometimes, dont boot, the initrd say that the sda1 may have been renamed (but it was not) and cant access /dev/tty.
15:33.37SamuraiDioi was thinking that may be a sata problem, but when i tryid to boot a liveCD distro it had the same error (and /dev/sda exists)
15:34.03SamuraiDiocan someone help me?
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15:35.39elmo40stew: http://pastebin.ca/811029
15:35.50elmo40this is my error when i try to install ivman
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15:37.29stewelmo40: what happens when you run "bash -x /etc/init.d/hal restart"?
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15:40.36elmo40stew: http://pastebin.ca/811032
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15:41.00elmo40it pauses on the last line, i hear the hdd working away, then a prompt. No error message.
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15:42.00stewelmo40: can you do the same, then run "echo $?" immediately afterwards and see if it returns 1 or 0?
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15:42.32elmo40run the 'bash...' and when it is done run echo? Or put echo at the end of the line?
15:42.43elmo40hald is not in the process list.
15:42.48elmo40so it didnt start.
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15:45.03stewelmo40: you might try "/usr/sbin/hald --daemon=no --verbose=yes" to see if you can figure out why hald isn't starting
15:46.42\amethystI'm not sure why it's retrieving a file after the file was deleted
15:46.43\amethystdoh
15:46.44elmo40will try
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15:49.19elmo40stew: http://pastebin.ca/811043
15:49.56marcinHi, I was wondering what can be a good way to secury log files? I was reading about syslog kernel tunnel (but I couldn't find site of project), log over a network, what can U recommend me?
15:50.04marcin*secury = secure
15:50.08Nostahlhow do i access my windows hd on the same computer?
15:50.21elmo40stew: i have to drop of the miss's... can we continue in a couple hours? Ivman is a wonderful app for working with removable devices, I would love to have it working in Debian Unstable (it would work with Elive)
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15:51.50Nostahlhow do i access my windows hd on the same computer?
15:52.07Nostahli want to pull some files off it into debian
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15:52.25bwlangmy server crashed this morning... there was a MCE on the console...  it says to run it throug mcelog --ascii, but i don't know hwat to run through that program... when i try the string of hex after "4bank4" it just prints out the same hex.  how does one use mcelog --ascii? the man page is practically useless
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15:52.51stewelmo40: what does "ls -ld /var/cache/hald" return?
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15:53.01marcinNostahl: You want copy files from windows to debian or the second way from debian to windows?
15:53.04SamuraiDioNostahl, doesn't the win partition appear on your drives section of nautilus or konqueror?
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15:54.16Nostahlsamuraidio: i have thunar for xfce
15:55.26SamuraiDioNostahl, check your /etc/fstab
15:55.33SamuraiDioif your windows partition is there
15:55.43SamuraiDiopastebin it, if you need help
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15:57.15Nostahlsamuraidio: it isnt showing up in fstab hrmmm
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15:57.35Nostahlsamuraidio: just showing hdb wich is what debian is on
15:59.29Nostahlsamuraidio: how do i get hda to pop up?
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16:01.38SamuraiDioNostahl, is it on a diferent hd?
16:01.55SamuraiDioNostahl, or another ppartition?
16:01.59Nostahlsamuraidio: i have dual hd's hda has xp and hdb has debian
16:03.09Nostahlsamuraidio: im in the dev folder and i can see the other hd  /dev/disk/by-id
16:03.26SamuraiDiocan you see /deb/hda
16:03.26SamuraiDio?
16:03.41SamuraiDiocan you see /dev/hda and /dev/hda1
16:03.42SamuraiDio?
16:03.48Nostahlyea
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16:08.44jochienghello ppl
16:08.47Nostahlhi
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16:11.02kriebzface with the hands covering the eyes?!
16:11.12kriebzlol
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16:12.33Nostahli call it like i see it :P
16:12.43Nostahlim using xfce with thunar for file manager
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16:13.03Nostahlso far i've had one problem though
16:13.09Nostahlthe shutdown/restart buttons are greyed out
16:13.19Nostahlthe only button it lets me click for loging out and such is the logout button
16:13.21rubymonk!wtf FWIW
16:13.22dpkgFWIW: for what it's worth
16:13.23Nostahlany idea's?
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16:16.06Nostahlanyone have an idea?
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16:18.44SamuraiDioNostahl, your windows installaton is on fat32 or ntfs?
16:19.45CoolColdhi
16:19.48Nostahlthat i cant remmember
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16:19.57CoolColdwhat is the best way to rebuild package from lenny to etch?
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16:20.08stewCoolCold: /msg dpkg simple sid backport
16:20.58SamuraiDioNostahl, so, boot your windows and look at it
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16:21.19Nostahlsamuraidio, i'll figure out it out another time im just redownloading into debian what i was wanting to transfer over
16:21.34SamuraiDioNostahl, if its ntfs taht would explain why debian didn't recongizes it at installation (assuming that you installed debian later than windows)
16:21.42Nostahlsamuraidio, i do have one problem though i have a greyed out shutdown/ and restart button
16:22.02Nostahlim running xfce4
16:22.16Nostahli did not opt to install a desktop environment during debian install
16:22.37Nostahland just used apt-get to install xfce4 and x and such
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16:22.49SamuraiDiocheck if you are in powerdev group
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16:23.06Nostahlwhat do you mean
16:23.18SamuraiDiogroups
16:23.55Nostahlhow do i check that
16:24.06SamuraiDio$ groups
16:24.10SamuraiDioin terminal
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16:24.15SamuraiDioas your current user
16:24.19SamuraiDionot root
16:24.33jochiengis there a problem installing the desktop environment during installation?
16:24.41Nostahldialout cdrom floppy audio video plugdev
16:24.53abrotmanjochieng: no . but most wait til after the installation is done
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16:24.59Nostahlno i just unchecked it so i didnt get loaded up with gnome
16:25.13CoolColdstew: 10x
16:25.35trippanyone know the differents between "make-kpkg ........ linux_image" and "make-kpkg .......... kernel_image"?
16:25.36jochieng<abrotman> thanks i was getting worried, cos tht wat i m doing right now :-)
16:25.38Nostahlk i typed groups and it gave me these
16:25.41Nostahldialout cdrom floppy audio video plugdev
16:25.45CoolColdand one more question - i need to recompile php with extension mnogosearch, so i need mnogosearch-dev package i think
16:25.51CoolColdhow i should install this?
16:26.41Nostahlhow do i add powerdev to my user
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16:27.08eth01any web designers here?
16:27.18Nostahlme
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16:27.58blubberdiblubNostahl: btw, you could try the command "file /dev/hda1" to check for the partition type (as root, since you're not in the disk group), that is, if you installed the file package
16:28.01SamuraiDioNostahl, # usermod -G [you],dialout,cdrom,floppy,audio,video,plugdev,netdev,powerdev [you]
16:28.13rubymonkI do webapp... only for moz, or opera... tored of IE bugs
16:28.33rubymonks/tored/tired/
16:28.37SamuraiDioNostahl, that command, as root, should add all that groups to your usaer (remember to change the usename [you])
16:28.51rubymonkIE kills the fun of web programming
16:29.06SamuraiDioNostahl, after that log out and log in again
16:29.08vader--ok could someone help me, for some reason my debian 3.1 box is emailing me everytime it does an NTP update
16:29.25Nostahlk so i type usermod -g and then hit enter?
16:29.28Nostahland then the rest?
16:29.28rubymonkEmails right on time!
16:29.33rubymonk:)
16:30.07SamuraiDioNostahl, ???
16:30.21SamuraiDioNostahl, i passed the entire command and arguments for you
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16:30.27Nostahldo i put the brackets around my user name
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16:32.13Nostahlk i did it
16:32.23Nostahlit told me unknown group netdev, powerdev
16:32.47SamuraiDiohuh!?
16:32.48SamuraiDiodid you run it as root?
16:32.52Nostahlaye
16:32.58SamuraiDioare you using Debian?
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16:33.07SamuraiDiowhat version?
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16:33.18Nostahlare there some packages that i didnt get when i unchecked desktop environment
16:33.20Nostahletch
16:33.39SamuraiDiohmm
16:33.50SamuraiDiodont know how to do it now..
16:33.53SamuraiDio&netdev
16:33.55Ace2016anyone know how to copy text from a .ps file?
16:34.07Nostahlwhats the netdev give me access to?
16:34.10SamuraiDio&test
16:34.11aptitudeTest Failed.
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16:34.16SamuraiDio!test
16:34.17dpkgTest Failed.
16:34.18Toman--To fix the inability to input international characters in qt apps, I had to set my LC_ALL (I also set LANGUAGE) to en_US.UTF-8.
16:34.24stewNostahl: "tasksel --task-package desktop" will tell you what would have been installed if you had left 'desktop' checked
16:34.27SamuraiDio!netdev
16:34.32SamuraiDio!groups
16:34.32dpkggroups is probably file:///usr/share/doc/base-passwd/users-and-groups.html
16:34.33\amethystaptitude:  pstoascii from the ghostscript package
16:34.36\amethysterr
16:34.41blarpAce2016: One way would be strings;  man strings
16:34.46\amethystAce2016:  pstoascii from the ghostscript package
16:34.51stewNostahl: netdev gets you access to network-manager afaik
16:34.54Nostahlstew, can you im me that so i can save that info
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16:35.14\amethystblarp:  postscript has too much textual code in it for strings to be very helpful
16:36.01netgearhow does one fix this: /lib/modules/2.6.18-5-686/build : No such file or directory?
16:36.18stewNostahl: aptitude install linux-headers-2.6.18-5-686
16:36.20stewnetgear: ^^^^
16:36.28stewNostahl: you want me to do what?
16:36.42Nostahlnm
16:37.05netgearthanks stew
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16:38.46SamuraiDiopeople, i really need help with my new acer... sometimes at boot the /dev/sda1 is not recognized, "device may be renamed... cant access /dev/tty... droping to a shell..." but grub loads fine, and sometimes the system too (just sometimes)
16:38.53Ace2016GPL Ghostscript SVN PRE-RELEASE 8.61: Unrecoverable error, exit code 1
16:39.00Ace2016thats what pstotext gave me
16:39.13Zippy2dont use prerelease.
16:39.47SamuraiDioi too need to update my alsa drivers to version  1.0.15
16:40.36stewSamuraiDio: try rebuilding your initrd with "dpkg-reconfigure linux-image-$version" for whatever kernel version that is
16:40.42stewSamuraiDio: what version of debian are you running?
16:40.47netgearin etch what is the gui "control panel" called?
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16:40.56SamuraiDiostew, debian testing/unstable
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16:41.06wols_SamuraiDio: when it doesn't, what partitions does it recognize if any at all?
16:41.23Ace2016Zippy2: its the wonders of being in sid huh?
16:41.33SamuraiDiowols_, it drops me to busybox, and i have just hda (my cdrom)
16:41.42stewmaddie: versions alsa-source
16:41.42maddiestew: alsa-source versions on i386: sid: 1.0.15-2 lenny: 1.0.15-2 etch: 1.0.13-5 sarge: 1.0.8-7
16:42.04pobegaSamuraiDio: Have you tried mounting via UUID? Perhaps the device name is just changing each time you boot.
16:42.26stewSamuraiDio: "aptitude install module-assistant build-essential ; m-a prepare ; m-a a-i alsa" should compile and install alsa 1.0.15
16:42.26SamuraiDiopobega, no, i dont know how to do ity
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16:43.00wols_SamuraiDio: then check if the sata controller driver is loaded
16:43.26stewSamuraiDio: do you have a kernel that actually works or do you have this problem booting any kernel?
16:43.32SamuraiDiowols_, it is, sta_generic and sata_nv (mines is a nvidia nforce chipset)
16:44.23SamuraiDiostew, the problem occurs on any kernel (tried 2.6.22-3 and 2.6.23-1, but as i said, sometimes, after a few resets, it boots
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16:45.04pobegaSamuraiDio: I /msg'd you the instructions on how to use UUID; It may help.
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16:45.15stewSamuraiDio: if you get it to boot, "dpkg-reconfigure linux-image-$(uname -r)"  switching to uuid is a good idea as well
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16:46.45SamuraiDiostew, ok, i'll try
16:46.58SamuraiDiostew, abouot alsa
16:47.18SamuraiDiostew, i think i need the 1.0.15-r3 driverz
16:47.23SamuraiDiodrivers*
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16:47.31netgearanyone have a Hauppauge PVR USB 2?
16:47.44SamuraiDiostew, can i use m-a -t unstable a-i alsa?
16:48.07\amethystSamuraiDio:  no, -t means "text mode", not repository
16:48.09stewSamuraiDio: unstable and testing have the same version of alsa
16:48.29stewoh, no they don't
16:48.37stewSamuraiDio: then you can install alsa-source from unstable, yes
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16:51.25loriciao
16:51.29lori!list
16:51.29dpkgone warez list being sent to lori
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16:51.51E-bolaAnybody know if its possible to copy some files via scp to multiple hosts in 1 line?
16:51.55E-bolaim using certificate based logins, and it apears only the first hosts accepts the files, the others say Permission denied (publickey,password)
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16:53.07fengordoes the scp work for each machine seperately?
16:53.13E-bolayes
16:53.15E-bolaor well ssh works
16:53.17E-bolalet me try scp
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16:53.29E-bolaya it does
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16:53.35E-bolai can just put a random hosts as the first host in the list
16:53.37E-bolaand it will work
16:53.42fengoris it crucial that it is one scp comamnd or only that is one line?
16:53.52E-bolaisnt the syntax just: scp file root@hostA:/dir root@hostB:/dir ?
16:54.29E-bolafengor its not really crucial, it just looks more neat if its 1 command
16:54.34\amethystAFAIK there can be multiple sources but only one target
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16:54.50E-bolaohh really?
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16:54.58fengoryup thats what i think i remember too \amethyst
16:55.13fengorbut E-bola you can try scp ....; scp ...; scp...
16:55.19E-bolahehe sure
16:55.24fengorto ahve it in one line ;)
16:55.43E-bolaits weird though? wouldnt copying 1 file to multiple hosts be a pretty normal task?
16:55.59\amethystwhich can be done with an easy for loop :)
16:55.59E-bolathe output is also nicer if its 1 command
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16:56.57\amethystscp's syntax comes from cp, which likewise accepts multiple sources but only one destination
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16:57.34netgearhow does one list cdrom name from linux?
16:57.36\amethystI guess "collect" is more common than "disperse"
16:57.55netgearor rather cdrom label
16:58.02\amethysts/collect/gather/ ; s/disperse/scatter/
16:58.18SamuraiDiostew, how?
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16:59.09stewSamuraiDio: http://packages.debian.org/alsa-source click on unstable, click on "all" at the bottom, download the file, install it with "dpkg -i alsa-source_whatever.deb"
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17:00.47E-bolafengor/amathyst: thanks for clearing it up
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17:01.07SamuraiDiostew, i have unstable in my sources.list
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17:02.03stewSamuraiDio: aptitude install alsa-source=1.0.15-3
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17:05.10SamuraiDiostew, and to compile/install?
17:05.38stewSamuraiDio: m-a a-i alsa
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17:06.32SamuraiDiostew, again? but that will install the unstable version?
17:07.00dtohw are you all
17:07.16stewSamuraiDio: that will compile whatever version of alsa-source is installed if one is already installed
17:07.47SamuraiDioann
17:07.50SamuraiDioahh
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17:08.33E-bolaHmm where do a file end up if i do scp file root@hosta:
17:08.34E-bola?
17:08.42E-bolaits not in the homedir / or /tmp
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17:08.57petemcE-bola: it wouldnt have went anywhere, you need :.
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17:09.25E-bolaim trying to send multiple files to different places on a remote system
17:09.27E-bolacan that be done?
17:09.29jewardWhat package, if any, provides openssl header files?
17:09.41E-bolathe ideal for me woudl be if it just put the files in the same location as they are on the source
17:09.48E-bolaanybody know if thats possible?
17:09.48petemcE-bola: didnt \amethyst clear that up for you already?
17:09.49azeemjeward: /msg dpkg search
17:10.01E-bolapetemc: no my other question was about multiple hosts
17:10.08E-bolai guess its the same for multiple pathss then
17:10.48petemcrsync script would do it
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17:13.18kscould you recommend log rotation app ?
17:13.32cloakablelogrotate
17:13.32_Sam--logrotate?
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17:13.43E-bolahmm good point petemc
17:13.46ksdon't want to re-invent the wheel
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17:14.02cyziehi, the statistics in /proc/net/dev will it aggregate all the statistics for the network devices until reboot or it will start from 0 if it hit a certain limit?
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17:14.09kslet me read the man
17:16.03kscool thanks, just what I need
17:16.07dkrcyzie: I think it wraps
17:16.13SamuraiDiostew,
17:16.14SamuraiDiodebian-laptop:~# cat /proc/asound/version
17:16.14SamuraiDioAdvanced Linux Sound Architecture Driver Version 1.0.14 (Fri Jul 20 09:12:58 2007 UTC).
17:16.19wols_cyzie: it will start from 0 again after hitting 4GB on 32bit systems
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17:16.22cyziedkr, wrap?
17:16.26SamuraiDioi stiil have the version 1.0.14
17:16.33cyziewols_, ohh! how can u tell?
17:16.38wols_cyzie: on 64bit systems it will count longer
17:16.42wols_cyzie: cause I know
17:16.52cyziewols_, which man page u refer to ?
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17:17.03stewSamuraiDio: what does "dpkg -l alsa-modules\*" return?
17:17.24SamuraiDioii  alsa-modules-2 1.0.15-3+2.6.2 ALSA modules for kernel 2.6.23-1-amd64
17:17.30cyziewols_, :) can you share about that 4GB limit ?
17:17.31SamuraiDioneeding a restart?
17:17.44wols_cyzie: 2^32 is what?
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17:17.54wols_!reboot
17:17.55dpkgyou want to reboot for WHAT?? If it's not a new kernel or a hardware change, you probably don't need to reboot. Ask me about qotd2, or for chumps
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17:18.42cyziewols_, ok.....never look from that but i dont htink that is convincing. but is there any file that stored after 4GB ?
17:18.47stewSamuraiDio: you should just need to reload your alsa modules.  which you can possibly do with /etc/init.d/alsa reload ; if you've never sucessfully run alsaconf before, you should
17:19.27wols_cyzie: stuff like ipac-ng might work. or upgrade to 64bit
17:19.30SamuraiDiostew, i did /etc/init.d/alsa-utils force-reload
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17:20.11SamuraiDioahh, # alsa reload worked
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17:21.15SamuraiDiostew, worked, new drivers loaded, now i just need to wait util go home to test the sound :D
17:21.20SamuraiDiostew, tnx
17:22.46CharminTheMooseI'm having a problem with jackd. when i start it up with the line 'sudo jackd -R -d alsa -d hw:0' and then start up a jack enabled app, my system starts swapping like crazy and most times just freezes my computer.. what's wrong with jackd?
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17:24.05SamuraiDiostew, i used dpkg-reconfigure to my kernel image, the grub menu list dont changed, do you think the problem may be sanned?
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17:24.49stewSamuraiDio: maybe?
17:25.07SamuraiDiostew, well, seens i just have to try...
17:25.38SamuraiDiostew, i'l leting to use the uuids as a last resource, that may definetelly work? ops just maybe?
17:26.17stewmaybe
17:26.37SamuraiDio8\
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17:26.45SamuraiDiohehe, thanks stew
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17:32.31RichiH!find ld.so.nohwcap
17:32.44cyziewhat is the command to show the lastest package i install in the system?
17:34.09themillRichiH: less /var/log/aptitude... presuming you are running aptitude
17:34.20RichiHthemill: wrong one
17:34.23RichiHyou want cyzie
17:34.33themillbah
17:34.42RichiHcyzie: /var/log/dpkg.log
17:34.43themillRichiH: that file's not in any debian package in etch
17:35.05RichiHthemill: yet, it is preventing me from using my system :/
17:35.18RichiHor upgrading, rather
17:35.23RichiHhttp://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=441975
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17:35.38themillRichiH: it's possible it is created by a postinst or some tool. It's not in a package though.
17:35.44RichiHit's ridiculous how much time i spent on that, already
17:35.55RichiHthemill: i fear the same
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17:37.17stewRichiH: what are you trying to do?
17:37.28stewRichiH: its normal to not have a nohwcap
17:37.32RichiHstew: upgrading my sid
17:37.39RichiHstew: problem is, i have it
17:37.45stewoh
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17:38.16stew"echo /var/lib/dpkg/info/* | xargs grep nohwcap" ?
17:38.18stewRichiH: what is in it?
17:38.45stewi mean, what is in the nohwcap?
17:39.01Caemyrhiya
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17:39.50RichiHstew: libc6 & libc6-i686
17:40.03RichiHstew: i think i might just have found something
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17:40.27RichiHstew: btw, those two are the ones i am having trouble with, anyway
17:40.52themillI have an /etc/ld.so.hwcappkgs but I don't have a .nohwcap file
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17:41.12RichiHhttp://rafb.net/p/z538xS71.html
17:41.23netgearhow can i kill x server in debian to install video driver?
17:41.56stewnetgear: you don't need to kill your x server to install a video driver
17:42.07RichiHstew, themill: now, i will need to install libc6_2.6.1-2 via dpkg to get a system that is able to boot
17:42.29stew2.7-3 is in lenny even now
17:42.46RichiHhrm, though after a few iterations, it seems i finally got rid of /etc/ld.so.nohwcap
17:43.12englaoops. I manage to run "dput <package>" instead of "dput mentors <pacakge>". Will something happen? It seemed to have been accepted. I hope that doesn't go through :(
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17:43.30azeemengla: it won't, if you're not a DD
17:43.36stewor DM!
17:43.52azeemfor that package
17:44.18englaazeem: ok. what is DM?
17:44.21RichiHperl -e 'use Qt' does not segfault, any more! yay!
17:44.27RichiHnot that the rest would be working, mind
17:44.32netgearstew, the driver says so
17:44.39RichiHsuggestions?
17:44.40englaI'm the maintainer for that package but it's sponsored. and it is not in debian yet
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17:44.48RichiHstew: and yes, i know i am lagging behind
17:44.57RichiHstew: i could not upgrade my system in a _long_ time
17:45.55netgearstew, i get you appear to be running a x-server please kill it
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17:45.59stewengla: DM is something new in debian where someone who maintain packages in debian can be granted the ability to upload new versions of the packages he maintains without being a DD
17:46.41stewRichiH: so now perl works but libc6 doesn't install?
17:46.49stewnetgear: /etc/init.d/?dm stop
17:47.14englaok
17:47.35stewRichiH: if you are going to try for libc6 2.6 then you're going to have to also downgrade the other packages its complaining about
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17:47.53SamuraiDiohow can i install i686 or i386 packages in amd64?
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17:48.18stewSamuraiDio: in a chroot that you create with debootstrap
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17:48.26netgearstew, how do i install libc development package? i know how to use apt-get but dont know what to type after apt-get install
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17:48.42stewRichiH: ^^
17:49.07stewnetgear: aptitude install libc6-dev
17:49.13netgearthanks
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17:50.23stewnetgear: though if you are asking that you probably want to just install build-essential
17:50.27stew...
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17:51.14humboltohow was that again? I want to pipe both standard and error out to /dev/null
17:51.22humbolto2&1> ???
17:51.28humboltosomething like that
17:51.32azeem> foo 2>&1
17:51.45humboltogreat thanks!
17:53.21RichiHstew: so you are saying i need to downgrade all those packages until it does not complain any more and _then_ upgrade?
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17:54.09stewRichiH: i'm saying that if you are going to try to install libc6 2.6 instead of libc6 2.7 you are going to have to downgrade some of the other things that already installed that are depending on 2.7
17:54.13stewRichiH: like locales
17:54.21stewRichiH:  [L][A][D][Y] was turkeyspam
17:54.28Mongo2hi
17:54.44RichiHstew: well, in a perfect world, 2.7 would install cleanly
17:55.04RichiHstew: as it does not give any useful errors, i am very much in the dark, though
17:55.29RichiHstew: klined
17:55.58stewRichiH: try "bash -x /var/lib/dpkg/info/libc6.postinst configure" and see if you can see where it fails
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17:56.42jelly-homestew: isn't thanksgiving over, how come there's still turkeyspam?
17:57.04RichiHstew: it does not fail
17:57.10petemcxmas turkey, perhaps
17:57.26stewjelly-home: becuase of the FREE PORNO VIDEOs on a .tr site
17:57.45jelly-homeoooh
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17:58.00RichiHjelly-home: it is the cow lobby, i tell you
17:58.05jelly-homekinky porn with turkeys.
17:58.14pickcodergobble gobble
17:58.14RichiHstew: wait, it does fail
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17:58.22RichiHexec /usr/share/debconf/frontend /var/lib/dpkg/info/libc6.postinst configure
17:59.11RichiHstew: before you ask, i am using dialog and now readline, not the KDE config frontend
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17:59.45jelly-homeRichiH: ah, debconf messes your attempt at debugging up.  You could just add set -x at the top of the script
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18:00.50stewaparantely you have read #443753
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18:01.32RichiHstew: aye
18:01.38azeemw31
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18:03.45dkrperhaps there is a second device?
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18:16.07humboltois there a way to find out, with which flags a deb package has been compiled?
18:16.25humboltonot the compile flags but like --enable-sdl
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18:16.49azeemhumbolto: some of them ship something in /usr/share/doc/<package> I tihnk
18:16.55stewhumbolto: look at debian/rules in the source package, you can fetch and extract the source package with "apt-get source packagename"
18:17.01azeemotherwise, you need to check the source package, or the build logs at buildd.debian.org
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18:21.09RichiHstew, jelly-home: http://rafb.net/p/yJEXqq53.html
18:21.27RichiHstew, jelly-home: sorry, am in a meeting, so i don't have much time to work on this
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18:22.12j00barhowdy -- has anybody suggested that libopenraw be included in debian? and if not, what would be the proper venue to make such a suggestion?
18:22.26stewRichiH: that looks like success to me
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18:23.40pickcoderj00bar: can you create and manage the package?
18:23.48RichiHstew: it gives return code 1
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18:25.19j00barpickcoder: the project is handling that responsibility themselves -- they already have the debian/ directory for building -- and its inclusion plus adding its -dev package as a build dependency for gthumb would give gthumb the ability to handle RAW/CR2 image formats :)
18:25.20humboltodoes debian still support mp3 out of the box?
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18:25.52yos87Hi
18:26.01pickcoderj00bar: they need to find a debian developer to adopt the package and upload it, or someone needs to become a DD and do it themselves
18:26.11stewhumbolto: no.  debian includes software you can install after the fact for decoding mp3s but makes no software available for the encoding of mp3s
18:26.37pickcoderj00bar: http://www.debian.org/doc/maint-guide/ch-helpme.en.html
18:26.40yos87How can I stop some service on the startup time, many service starting I don't need them like MTA, and apple talk service, and many other
18:26.57beeredI have a php page on my website that just times out. Is there php log somewhere in debian that I could tail? There is nothing in apache.log related to this.
18:27.06pickcoderyos87: update-rc.d <name of service> remove
18:27.08stewRichiH: oh: [ '' ']'  exits with 1, i don't know what that even means
18:27.14pickcoderor install the sysv-rc-conf application
18:27.20pickcoderit lets you toggle run-levels
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18:27.29pickcoderas well as edit the start/stop orders
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18:27.45stewbeered: there is no general php log.  it would be up to whatever page you are running to log on its own
18:28.00beeredstew: ok. thanks.
18:28.03j00barpickcoder: the developer is on the abiword core team, co-maintainer of gphoto2, and an ubuntu motu -- it's possible he's already a debian developer too :)
18:28.09yos87pickcoder, how to get the list of service starting with the os?
18:28.27pickcoderj00bar: so ask the developer them
18:28.29pickcoders/them/then
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18:28.47j00barpickcoder: kewl -- thank you for the help with protocol.
18:29.28pickcoderyos87: /etc/init.d/
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18:31.42yos87pickcoder: the MTA is not appear there
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18:31.59muh2000_auth.log says since a few hours that: CRON[16394]: PAM unable to dlopen(/lib/security/pam_ldap.so)   how can i fix it?
18:32.19pickcoderyos87: which mta
18:33.08jelly-homestew, did RichiH mention the exact version of libc6 he's trying to install? 2.6.1-2?
18:33.13yos87pckcoder: when the pc start, there is Starting MTA: and it take long time in these step, I want to stop it, I don't know what does it mean
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18:33.27dtohello all. i've been googling and haven't been able to fix my video. I have a PCIe RADEON 9600 PRO that isn't supported by the free driver (got only VESA blurry video in Xorg), so I installed fglrx and went through the xorg configuration procedure, then rebooted.
18:33.34pickcoderyos87: which mta
18:33.38dtothe video is very sharp, but 2-D is slow
18:33.42RichiHjelly-home: libc6_2.6.1-2_i386.deb
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18:33.53dtoand it reports that gl stuff is going through mesa (shouldn't it say direct)?
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18:34.11yos87pickcoder: I don't know about the mta what is it even
18:34.12stewRichiH: from man [ : An omitted EXPRESSION defaults to false.  which is why that last line is failing, can you tell where in the .postinst that line comes from?
18:34.34stewyos87: what does "dpkg -S /usr/sbin/sendmail" return?
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18:34.51Caemyris real audio support available only through RealPlayer for Linux?
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18:35.04RichiHstew: not trivially
18:35.13RichiHs/trivially/easily/
18:35.15RichiHi can dig
18:35.15fengorCaemyr: doesnt vlc support real?
18:35.21fengorbut i'm  not sure
18:35.22pickcoderyos87: mta is mail transfer agent
18:35.30pickcoderyos87: dpkg -l exim | tail -1
18:35.31Caemyrhmmmm possibly
18:35.44yos87stew: Use dpkg --info (= dpkg-deb --info) to examine archive files, and dpkg --contents (= dpkg-deb --contents) to list their contents.
18:35.51pickcoderare the first 2 chars "ii" or "un"
18:36.04jelly-homeRichiH: i386?
18:36.09fengorCaemyr: just checked their website doesnt seem so :(
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18:36.22yos87pickcoder: un  exim           <none>         (no description available)
18:36.33pickcoderyos87: what about dpkg -l postfix | tail -1
18:36.39yos87pickcoder: yes,  I want stop all mta
18:36.46stewyos87: can you run "dpkg -S /usr/sbin/sendmail" ?
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18:36.54pickcoderstew: heh
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18:37.10yos87pickcoder: un  postfix        <none>         (no description available)
18:37.18pickcoderinteresting..
18:37.32pickcoderyos87: cat /etc/debian_version
18:37.34RichiHjelly-home: amd athlon 64, but running in 32-bit, yes
18:37.36wols_pickcoder: debian has tons of MTAs. you can't check each one by one :)
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18:37.55Caemyrfengor: any other possibilities?
18:37.57pickcoderwols_: he didn't even know what an MTA was, so I assumed exim would have been installed
18:38.16petemcwhy is choice a bad thing?
18:38.21Caemyrmplayer should
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18:38.24yos87stew: it said : dpkg: serious warning: files list file for package `xserver-xorg-video-vmware' m issing, assuming package has no files currently installed. exim4-daemon-light: /usr/sbin/sendmail
18:38.24fengorCaemyr: dunno i'm afraid i dont know. vlc jsut sprang to mind cause it plays almost anything
18:38.25donny__can anyone recommend a music player in Etch that has an oscilloscope? preferably a lightweight one?
18:38.32pickcodermeh
18:38.39wols_petemc: cause people then come in here "what is the best $thing$ ?
18:38.41Caemyrbut i dont know how to force kmplayer
18:38.45yos87pickcoder: 4.0
18:38.50pickcoderso exim4 light is default?
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18:39.06wols_yos87: there is a 4.0 in that file? really?
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18:40.01yos87wols_ : you don't know before? we had long trip together this morning !!
18:40.29pickcoderyos87: you need to disable the exim service
18:40.29jelly-homeRichiH: hm, what was the previous version?  dpkg -s libc6 will help there, possibly
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18:40.52pickcoderyos87: keep in mind that no cron or error e-mails will get delivered to root
18:40.54wols_pickcoder: which is a bad idea
18:40.56yos87pickcoder: update-rc.d exim remove ?
18:40.57pickcoderbad idea, IMO
18:41.01RichiHjelly-home: mind that i need to intall 2.6 to _fix_ libc6
18:41.08dtodo i need to install any SMP kernel for a dual-core AMD? or is it on by default?
18:41.11RichiHjelly-home: the broken one is a different version
18:41.16pickcoderyos87: the reason that exim is pausing so long is due to DNS lookups on your hostname
18:41.25xand!spank dpkg
18:41.31wols_dto: any kernel other than the -486 kernel are all SMP capable
18:41.47jelly-homeRichiH: care to pastebin the output of /var/lib/dpkg/info/libc6.postinst configure 2.3.6-whatever-the-prev-version-was
18:41.48wols_dto: do you run a 32 or 64bit debian?
18:41.49dtowols_: ok cool!
18:41.51dtowols_: 32
18:41.57wols_dto: get the k7 kernel then
18:41.59dtoi'm new to debian (couple months)
18:42.04pickcoderyos87: what does the hostname command tell you?
18:42.12dtowols_: the installer seemed to chooose it automatically, because that's what shows up in grub :-)
18:42.13wols_dto: can you can check /proc/cpuinfo
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18:42.17dtosure
18:42.24yos87pickcoder: the gateway is from my wireless card, need the key and the ssid name, so he cannot lookup
18:42.28stewyos87: why don't you want a MTA to be started?
18:42.29RichiHjelly-home: 2.7-4 or 2.6.1-2
18:42.42yos87pickcoder: hostname said debian
18:42.47wols_good. often after install people show up with -486 kernels on their 4GB quadcore Core CPU...
18:42.48dtowow, this new monitor is gorgrous
18:42.51dtogorgeous
18:43.04dtoAMD Processor model unknown
18:43.15dtoit's family 15, model 67
18:43.15pickcoderyos87: do you have a static local IP assigned?
18:43.26wols_RichiH: sorry for interrupting, can't you simply be really nasty and do a lot of --force dpkging? beating the machine into submission?
18:43.30dtoit recognizes 2 cores
18:43.30yos87stew: what's that? I don't know? he said it's mail transfer agant, seems I don't use it, and it's pausing log time when booting and I told you
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18:43.36donny__no recommendations? :(
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18:44.03stewyos87: when you run "getent hosts debian" does it return right away?  does it take a while?
18:44.03yos87pickcoder: in the eth0 yes, But in the wlan0 no,  i use dhcp
18:44.13jelly-homeRichiH: um, dpkg -s libc6 please ;-)  there should be something like Config: prev-version
18:44.17yos87pickcoder : the defult is eth0
18:44.24SamuraiDiohi
18:44.26pickcoderyos87: make sure that you have "debian <local IP>" in /etc/hosts
18:44.30Roninyos87: you actually do use the mta, or rather your computer does
18:44.34jelly-homeRichiH: I have no broken packages atm and can't remember ;-)
18:44.35SamuraiDiosomeone here uses compiz from debian testing/unstable?
18:44.37pickcoderthen try what stew just suggested
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18:44.51yos87stew: it directly said 127.0.0.1
18:45.00pickcoderhm
18:45.07stewthat's odd
18:45.10pickcoderyup
18:45.11RichiHwols_: i tried that once and it took a few hours to get it back into bootable state
18:45.20RichiHwols_: i am not dead set against trying again, though
18:45.31pickcoderunless exim is listening on <local IP> instead of localhost
18:45.56stewyos87: and does "getent hosts $(hostname --fqdn)" also return quickly?
18:45.57RichiHjelly-home: there is no prev-version or similar
18:46.00yos87pickcoder: in the etc/hosts there is 127.0.1.1 localhost debian, 127..0.1 debian
18:46.01wols_RichiH: just thinking what I usually do in those circumstances. "if in doubt or annoyed: use more force"
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18:46.07pickcoderyos87: ok
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18:46.14RichiHConfig-Version: 2.6.1-2
18:46.30HyperDevilIs there maybe someone here who can help me with some jpgraph things?
18:46.33jelly-homeRichiH: yeah, that one.  You're installing the very same version over it?
18:46.37stewRichiH: can you just put /var/lib/dpkg/info/libc6.postinst somewhere.  i don't have 2.6 anywhere just 2.3 and 2.7
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18:47.43thrashyCould anyone tell me where the file that that lets you automatically run commands at start up is located?
18:47.51jelly-homestew: http://pastebin.ca/811219 (got it from snapshot)
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18:47.58wols_!tell thrashy about runlevel
18:47.59yos87pickcoder: thank you
18:48.14wols_!tell thrashy about rc.local
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18:48.44RichiHjelly-home: no, i am trying to apt-get install -f
18:48.48thrashyrc.local thats the one thanks :)
18:48.56RichiHjelly-home: http://rafb.net/p/z538xS71.html
18:49.06RichiHstew: sure
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18:49.37GhostlyDeath_What's nsfd?
18:49.42jelly-homeRichiH: ah, so you're upgrading to 2.7-4 from 2.6.1-2!
18:49.45RichiHhttp://dediserver.eu/downloads/libc6.postinst
18:49.46wols_!ntfd
18:49.48wols_!nsfd
18:49.59RichiHjelly-home: i am trying to, at least
18:50.02wols_GhostlyDeath_: "not safe for debian"?
18:50.36GhostlyDeath_wols_: So I should kill all those processes then?
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18:50.58wols_if it's a process name: /msg dpkg search
18:51.36jelly-homeRichiH: please add set -vx on top of /v/l/d/i/libc6.postinst  and pastebin the output of dpkg --configure libc6
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18:52.10abrotmanRichiH: stop breaking stuff!
18:52.36jeremy_cHow can I make exim auth via pam? I have auth working fine via a seperate passwd file (htpasswd), but cannot get it to function via pam.
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18:53.50RichiHhttp://rafb.net/p/YizyV671.html
18:53.52RichiHjelly-home:
18:54.00jelly-homeate
18:54.03jelly-homeaye, even
18:54.07GhostlyDeath_wols_: No results
18:54.23stewi don't see where [ '' ']' could possibly be coming from
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18:54.42jelly-hometee-hee, debconf's shell wrapper fails. :-)
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18:55.36ki11bi11are tere memory limits for debian?  2GB or something?
18:55.46wols_GhostlyDeath_: giev me a PID of one of those nfsd processes
18:55.54valdynki11bi11: no
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18:56.13wols_ki11bi11: there is a 3,5GB limit per process for 32bit machines
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18:56.21valdynki11bi11: however some cpu architectures have smaller and some have bigger limits
18:56.25simonrvnki11bi11: it depends on the kernel not the distro
18:56.28GhostlyDeath_wols_: 13269
18:56.47wols_ki11bi11: and you might want different kinds of kernels when having above a certain amount of memory on a 32bit platform
18:56.51jelly-homeRichiH: looks like your debconf is a bit broken
18:56.53ki11bi11valdyn, sees all of memory?  wasn't there a PAE version or something?
18:56.58wols_GhostlyDeath_: o to /proc/13269
18:57.02wols_GhostlyDeath_: it's a directory
18:57.08wols_ki11bi11: there is. the bigmem kernel
18:57.14GhostlyDeath_wols_: Pids are13269 to 13276
18:57.26wols_Gokee2: go to /proc/13269
18:57.51wols_GhostlyDeath_: are you there?
18:57.52GhostlyDeath_wols_: oops
18:57.54GhostlyDeath_wols_: yes
18:58.03wols_cat cmdline   what does this say?
18:58.48GhostlyDeath_wols_: nothing
18:58.49jelly-homeRichiH: line 29 of /usr/share/debconf/confmodule, can you replace [ "$DEBCONF_USE_CDEBCONF" ] with [ -n "$DEBCONF_USE_CDEBCONF" ];
18:59.05wols_GhostlyDeath_: I don't believe you
18:59.05jelly-homeRichiH: ie. just add -n before the var
18:59.45RichiHjelly-home: i can, but i won't!
18:59.50GhostlyDeath_wols_: cmdline is 0 bytes
18:59.52RichiHjelly-home: just kidding, already on it
18:59.59jelly-homeRichiH: which version of debconf, btw?
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19:00.19wols_GhostlyDeath_: I didn't ask you to ls it. I asked you to cat cmdline. and it WILL spit out something
19:00.23RichiHjelly-home: http://rafb.net/p/dUd6lR88.html
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19:00.33GhostlyDeath_wols_: http://rafb.net/p/SH83Hd67.html
19:00.36tclinekshow can i use the another dist's source for only select packages -- i'm trying apt-pinning but apt wants to use the other dist for many other packages as they're newer it in. any clues?
19:00.44RichiHjelly-home: 1.5.16
19:00.52GhostlyDeath_wols_: I didn't ls it, I looked in the window listing all the files (nautilus)
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19:01.19wols_GhostlyDeath_: what debian branch is it?
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19:01.25GhostlyDeath_wols_: testing
19:01.29vvanhi, I installed kernel 2.6.22-3-686 but my sound does not work can anyone help me?
19:01.38wols_damn I'm stoopid. nfsd is the NFS daemon
19:01.42wols_do you have NFS running?
19:01.48wols_as a server that is?
19:01.59wols_wth doesn't pdo show it?
19:02.01GhostlyDeath_What does NFS stand for?
19:02.06wols_!NFS
19:02.07dpkgfrom memory, nfs is Sun's Network Filesystem, a reasonably simple file transfer protocol that is quite hard to secure. See the NFS-HOWTO for setup, or No Files Served.  Network FaILurE System.  Never Fscking Stable.  No Fucking Security.  Nightmare File System, or ask me about <ssh tunneled nfs>.
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19:02.32GhostlyDeath_dpkg: Server is running
19:02.32dpkg...but server is already something else...
19:02.40GhostlyDeath_err wols_*
19:02.44jelly-homeRichiH: I can't fathom why (or even how) it can fail at this point
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19:03.03wols_GhostlyDeath_: do you actually use it?
19:03.14GhostlyDeath_wols_: no
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19:03.27jelly-homeRichiH: there's an if - then - else, if the [ ] fails the else clause should execute
19:03.28wols_then why is it installed?
19:04.01RichiHjelly-home: i would tend to agree
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19:04.52jelly-homeRichiH: stupid dirty workaround: add || true to postinst line 193 ;-)
19:04.56stewjelly-home: right, is the else running and the its doing exec 1>& and we dont' get any more output from set -x ?
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19:05.15jelly-homestew: nah, set -x outputs to stderr already
19:05.25jelly-homeafaik
19:06.20jelly-homestew: else it'd make a hell out of scripts that dump important stuff on stdout, and I wouldn't be able to debug my own shell crap
19:06.59RichiHjelly-home: you mean after the ] and before the ;, surely?
19:07.00stewyeah
19:07.16stewif [ "$DEBCONF_USE_CDEBCONF" ]; then is the last thing we see, right?
19:07.18jelly-homeRichiH: might have missed the line
19:07.42jelly-homeRichiH: add || true on the line sourcing . /usr/share/debconf/confmodule
19:07.45GhostlyDeath_wols_: Can't find the package that contains the binary
19:08.04jelly-homeRichiH: and put that debconf file as it was before ;-)
19:08.19wols_GhostlyDeath_: nfs server. nfsd might be a kernel thing (nfs kernel server)
19:08.30GhostlyDeath_wols_: looks kernel related
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19:08.39RichiHjelly-home: ah, that is 194 :)
19:08.43jelly-homesoz
19:08.48redtapehey guys
19:09.01wols_GhostlyDeath_: apt-get remove portmapper. it should remove nfs* stuff as well
19:09.12RichiHjelly-home: that works
19:09.23RichiHjelly-home: is it safe to apt-get install -f with that?
19:09.31jelly-homeRichiH: dpkg --configure finished?
19:09.50redtapecan i ask a question about compiling things with gcc?
19:10.00dkrapparently not
19:10.03abrotmanredtape: you can try!
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19:10.20GhostlyDeath_redtape: what kind of things?
19:10.29jelly-homeRichiH: successfully, I mean?  You can do the canonical dpkg --configure -a first, before continuing with apt
19:10.39redtapeI try to compile my little hello world program, and I get an error saying "helloworld.c: In function ‘main’:
19:10.39redtapehelloworld.c:3: warning: incompatible implicit declaration of built-in function ‘printf’"
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19:11.03redtapewhich, I'm assuming, means I haven't installed something
19:11.15abrotmanredtape: on debian?
19:11.17GhostlyDeath_redtape: paste the code on a pastebin site
19:11.18redtapeand it doesnt recognise stuff from the standard c library
19:11.22redtapeyes, on debian
19:11.29abrotmanstart by installing build-essential
19:11.30jelly-homeRichiH: my conclusion is that either debconf is a bit broken, or the libc6 maint. needs to drink less
19:11.33wols_!tell redtape about b-e
19:11.44RichiHjelly-home: still lots of failures, but those are due to incorrect versions
19:11.47redtapeok, I'll get that now
19:11.52SamuraiDiothis may be because i'm running a amd64? http://pastebin.com/d384c0564
19:12.12ki11bi11this is going to sound strange but...
19:12.13RichiHjelly-home: so, you think i am good to apt-get install -f?
19:12.18jelly-homeRichiH: yup
19:12.25redtapebuild essential is already the newest version
19:12.36redtapei think i remember getting that ages ago actually
19:12.39wols_SamuraiDio: export LANG=C;aptitude install lg3d-core
19:12.44GhostlyDeath_dpkg's saying are out of date
19:12.50wols_redtape: then your C code is wrong most likely
19:12.54abrotmanredtape: you're going to have to paste your code somewhere
19:12.54dkrdoes your hello world program #include <stdio.h> ? ;)
19:12.55redtapeok :)
19:12.59wols_redtape: missing #include?
19:12.59ki11bi11could you put a usb drive into a raid device with an sata or ide drive
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19:13.10redtapei havent included that no
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19:13.15redtapedo i need to?
19:13.28wols_ki11bi11: can: yes. should: totally not
19:13.33GhostlyDeath_ki11bi11: if you even can it would degrade performance really bad
19:13.41wols_redtape: yes. get a C book
19:13.45dkrredtape: yes, that's what suplies the printf function, without it, it thinsk you are trying to declare a function named printf yourself. hence the error
19:13.46redtapei have a C book
19:13.58wols_redtape: then read it some more
19:14.05redtapeit doesnt include the stdio thingie anywhere
19:14.12GhostlyDeath_printf undeclared, assuming extern returning int
19:14.34wols_redtape: pastbein your helloworld.c
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19:14.42ki11bi11GhostlyDeath_, the idea would be to get a back up copy of the raid there is probably and easier way though
19:14.42redtapei know about including things, but I assumed that the stuff in that library was included already
19:14.45redtapesilly book
19:14.46redtapelol
19:14.51redtapeok i'll pastebin it
19:14.53abrotmanredtape: paste `cat file.c && gcc file.c`
19:15.00abrotmanall the output from those two commands
19:15.04RichiHdpkg: error processing libc6 (--configure):
19:15.04dpkgThat isn't an error, post the whole output to paster.
19:15.05RichiH<PROTECTED>
19:15.06dkrwhy bother? he already told us he didn't include stdio
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19:15.13RichiHjelly-home: argh
19:15.16SamuraiDiowols_, same errors
19:15.19abrotmandkr: didn't he just try that?
19:15.26redtapeso i need to include the standard i/o thing then
19:15.33wols_SamuraiDio: but this time in ENGLISH. pastebin it
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19:15.36redtapeI'll put it in now
19:15.46solars_hey, does anyone know a way to find 'big' packages (that take much space), I'm using aptitude and want to clean up my root partition
19:15.58jelly-homeRichiH: that's funny, if you've already done dpkg --configure libc6 and it finished successfully
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19:16.26wols_solars_: useless. gnome and kde are about the biggest "things" you have in stalled but they're made of hundreds of packages which means each particular package is only a few (hundred) kB
19:16.40jelly-home!sort by size
19:16.41dpkgsomebody said sort by size was perl -e 'while (<>) { chomp; if (/^Package: /) { s/^.* //; $pkg = $_; } if (/^Installed-Size: /) { s/^.* //; $package{$_} = $pkg; } } foreach $key (sort {$b <=> $a} keys %package) { printf "%s: %s\n", $package{$key}, $key; }' < /var/lib/dpkg/available, or see man grep-dctrl (from dctrl-tools package)
19:16.49abrotmanjelly-home: --configure -a ?
19:17.06solars_wols_, I have no kde, but I mean, eg. get the virtual package names
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19:17.20jelly-homeabrotman: he was having problems with libc6, no need to mess with other packages until that one is sorted out
19:17.36solars_wols_, I just want to clean up a bit, but starting with the smallest packages doesn't help much
19:17.56abrotmanjelly-home: you take all the fun out of it
19:18.01redtapeah good, it works
19:18.14wols_solars_: because debian has a habit of having lots of small packages, waht you want isn't very useful usually
19:18.14jelly-homeabrotman: only "eral" is left
19:18.16redtapenot used to this whole C thing
19:18.27redtapethanks guys
19:18.42SamuraiDiowols_, ahh
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19:19.10solars_wols_, yeah but that does not mean that a virtual package is a collection of packages with a size bigger than a single package
19:19.24dkrit is nice about telling you how much space installing new stuff will take up, at least
19:19.25RichiHjelly-home: 'funny' is not the adjective that comes to mind, but yah
19:19.29RichiHjelly-home: hmm, wait
19:19.55redtapejust out of curiosity: is there such a thing as a C IDE for debian?
19:19.58wols_solars_: the gnome metapackage which causes several hundred MB to get installed is 44kB in size when installed...
19:20.16solars_wols_, and exactly that, was my question :)
19:20.19wols_redtape: anjutah, kdevelop, eclopse, rawhide
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19:20.33redtapeok :) I'll get to google
19:20.37abrotmanredtape: anjuta is a GUI one .. vim and emacs gets lots of use
19:20.41abrotmanMARKYBOB!
19:20.47redtapeok
19:20.48markybobabrotman hey :)  how are you?
19:20.48dpkgmarkybob: you know how it is...
19:20.49tclineksso there is no globbing for package names in apt/preferences?
19:20.49aptitudemarkybob: just great
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19:20.49redtapethanks
19:20.52wols_redtape: why google when I just gave you four names? even when eclipse was spelled wrong
19:20.54SamuraiDiowols_, sorry... : http://pastebin.com/d184d4f32
19:20.56gonzaloafhello, I just have installed etch in my computer, but I'm having a 'Grub Error 17' when booting, I'm now with my Knoppix live cd and have checked the menu.lst file, everything seems to be ok, can you give me any clue, there are my menu.lst file and the 'fdisk -l' output: http://www.pastebin.ca/811252     http://www.pastebin.ca/811255
19:20.56abrotmanmarkybob: okeedokee .. you've been hiding!
19:21.12redtapewols_: no offence, but I like to look at what I'm installing
19:21.17markybobabrotman yeah... life's been busy :)
19:21.18redtapesee what one i like best
19:21.26wols_gonzaloaf: does the grub menu show?
19:21.28abrotmanmarkybob: damn life .. keeps getting in the way!
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19:21.35wols_redtape: apt-cache show <package>
19:21.42redtapecool :)
19:21.48redtapedidnt know about that
19:21.53redtapei am a noob
19:21.56redtapearent I
19:22.00wols_redtape: those aren't screenshots...
19:22.01wols_!noob
19:22.02dpkgDear visitor, please don't bother telling us you're a "newb" or a "n00b".  We can tell.  Please don't bother telling us you're not a "newb", "noob" or "n00b" either.  We can tell that too, you probably are, if you have to say you are not.
19:22.04gonzaloafwols_, nop jut the 'Grub Error 17' message
19:22.11truz_`24Can sdparm show if a sata disk is in UDMA mode?
19:22.21leif_any one can help a newb
19:22.23wols_gonzaloaf: then grub itself isn't installed properly and can't find its stage2 file
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19:22.30redtapei was only having a little fun dpkg...
19:22.32redtape:)
19:22.32wols_leif_: never ask to ask
19:22.40wols_redtape: dpkg is a bot
19:22.45redtapeI know...
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19:22.48redtape:P
19:22.58leif_any one know why my speaker stands as muted in gnome
19:23.10gonzaloafwols_, so what should I have to do?
19:23.12abrotmandpkg-reconfigure linux-sound-base
19:23.28wols_gonzaloaf: reinstall grub basically (grub-install)
19:23.33wols_but chroot to your debian install first
19:23.40GhostlyDeath__leif_: newbs cant help other newbs
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19:23.58leif_:)
19:24.02wols_leif_: do what abrotman said
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19:24.47gonzaloafwols_, when I run grub-install I receive this error: 'Your /usr is broken; please fix it before calling this wrapper!'
19:25.01SamuraiDiohttp://pastebin.com/d184d4f32
19:25.05gonzaloafwols_, I think because my /usr is inside a logical volume
19:25.06wols_gonzaloaf: did you chroot?
19:25.14wols_gonzaloaf: no that's not it
19:25.28gonzaloafwols_, yes I did 'chroot /mnt/debian/ /bin/bash/
19:25.44simonrvnbash isn't a directory...
19:25.56wols_SamuraiDio: apt-cache policy lg3d-core
19:25.57GhostlyDeath__bash is a file
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19:26.03gonzaloafso, what's the way to chroot ?
19:26.23wols_simonrvn: but it's a command :)
19:26.46gonzaloafwols_, can you tell me how to chroot correctly?
19:27.06gonzaloafwols_, I have mounted my root in /mnt/debian
19:27.07truz_`24that is right gonzaloaf, except I put LANG=C in front
19:27.09wols_gonzaloaf: it was correct but you need /dev bind-mounted too
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19:27.16truz_`24/bin/bash
19:27.19truz_`24not /bin/bash/
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19:27.38truz_`24the second parameter is the shell you're going to use
19:27.50wols_simonrvn: mea culpa
19:27.51dt0i am now typing at you from GNU Emacs on a Dual-Core Athlon64X2 3.0GHz per core on debian testing. woohoo!
19:27.54simonrvnis the command to run
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19:28.17simonrvnman 8 chroot
19:28.23gonzaloaftruz_`24, the same when I do 'chroot /mnt/debian /bin/bash'
19:28.24simonrvn(could be 1)
19:29.06gonzaloafwols_, what is the /dev bind ?
19:29.11markybobanyone here familiar with blootbot?  i'm trying to get it running for the first time, but it keeps erroring out.  http://dpaste.com/27549/
19:29.19truz_`24gonzaloaf: try this: LANG=C chroot /mnt/debian /bin/bash
19:29.24redtapecan i use kdevelop in gnome?
19:29.30wols_gonzaloaf: that you have a /dev inside your chroot
19:29.40markybobme too
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19:29.42abrotmanredtape: if you want .. but anjuta is pretty nice
19:29.50gonzaloaftruz_`24, same error
19:29.51redtapeis it gnome based?
19:29.55simonrvnyeh right, blame the ndn eh
19:29.55SamuraiDiowols_, http://pastebin.com/d67f0925b
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19:29.59simonrvn:P
19:30.15wols_simonrvn: ask the javadesktop folks, not us
19:30.26wols_SamuraiDio: ^^
19:30.31gonzaloaftruz_`24, as my /usr is inside a logical volume it isnt mounted, so when I do 'ls /usr' it is empty
19:30.36abrotmanredtape: yes
19:30.43wols_considering javadesktop is some Sun shite based on suse or such: good luck getting it to run in debian
19:30.53SamuraiDiowols_, :(
19:30.56gonzaloafwols_, can you tell me how to do that?
19:30.58abrotmansimonrvn: i meant about markybob's busted bot
19:31.17simonrvni don't care about his bot ;)
19:31.21SamuraiDiowols_, i installed lg on debian about three times already, but only on i686 machines
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19:31.23simonrvnheh heh
19:31.32wols_gonzaloaf: mount --bind /dev /mnt/debian/dev
19:31.38markybobit's not really my bot.  i didnt program it ;p
19:31.42wols_gonzaloaf: same for proc and before entereing the chroot
19:31.45leif_my speaker still says muted in gnome
19:32.06Xjill_so, less than a week ago I updated my etch box. And in this update my default locale was renamed from no_NO to nb_NO (as it should be). However, my posgres db was inited in no_NO, and now the debian starter complains about this locale not existing anymore... Any ideas how to fix?
19:32.24abrotmanXjill_: i think this is in the pg_master
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19:33.08wols_Xjill_: nb_NO locale exists?
19:33.09gonzaloafwols_, same error :(
19:33.17wols_!tell gonzaloaf about errors
19:33.18markybobsimonrvn are you the guy who keeps the svn for blootbot?
19:33.20Xjill_wols_: Yes
19:33.34Xjill_abrotman: No such file. This is 8.2 btw
19:34.11wols_Xjill_: you'd need to change the locale of your DB?
19:34.11gonzaloafwols_, the error is: 'Your /usr is broken; please fix it before calling this wrapper!' when I run 'grub-install'
19:34.29Xjill_the only file I found which contains no_NO is pg_control, but I can't edit that, since it gets it's checksum checked
19:34.32abrotmanXjill_: in your postgresql.conf
19:34.41abrotmani was lcose!
19:34.43abrotmanclose :(
19:34.44wols_gonzaloaf: you have /usr and /usr only in a LVM?
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19:35.01gonzaloafwols_, /home, /usr, swap and /opt
19:35.10wols_gonzaloaf: then mount your /usr/already
19:35.13wols_gonzaloaf: then mount your /usr/ already
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19:35.30Xjill_wols_: Yes, that's what I need to do
19:35.49markybobwell, whoever keeps blootbot, you're missing a } on line 109 on src/IRC/IrcHelpers.pl
19:35.53Xjill_abrotman: postgresql.conf have been updated to use nb_NO
19:35.58wols_Xjill_: ask #postgres?
19:36.20Xjill_wols_: They say it's an issue with the deb wrapper being "too helpful"
19:36.31Xjill_postgres got no such errors
19:36.35wols_abrotman: his postgres as the whol system uses the new codepage while the DB was created in the old and misses it now
19:36.49wols_Xjill_: what wrapper?
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19:37.05abrotmanwols_: yes .. i assumed he knew he'd have to dump/restore ...
19:37.11gonzaloafwols_, how to mount a logical volume from knoppix, I'm not sure how to do that, I did just 'mount /usr' but when I was inside my debian
19:37.18Xjill_it's a bit weired, since I got no_NO defined as an alias locale
19:37.18wols_Xjill_: and I know that I acn have different locles for different DBs (or even tables I think) in mysql. why wouldn't psotgres be able to do that?
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19:37.30wols_gonzaloaf: mount. it's already mounted most probably
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19:37.52gonzaloafwols_, Knoppix:/# mount /usr/
19:37.53gonzaloafmount: special device /dev/mapper/vg1-lvusr does not exist
19:37.59Xjill_wols_: Postgres have no problems supposedly, the deb wrapper is supposed to be at fault
19:38.06wols_gonzaloaf: "mount"
19:38.11osmosisafter I change my /etc/hostname  file, how do I force my command prompt to refresh with the new name without having to reboot the whole box ?
19:38.18abrotmanXjill_: wouldn't it just be easier to generate that locale too ?
19:38.24wols_Xjill_: do what abrotman just said? dump/restore?
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19:39.02abrotmanhe might be better serviced by verifying in #postgresql
19:39.11Xjill_sorry, missed that one
19:39.15pickcoderXjill_: is there a locales.alias in /usr/share/locale/
19:39.27pickcoderer
19:39.30pickcoderlocale.alias
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19:39.44pickcoderno_NO is alised to nb_NO.ISO-8859-1 in my system
19:39.51pickcoderso you could still use no_NO
19:40.02Xjill_pickcoder: Yes, got the alias too
19:40.20Xjill_so dunno why it doesn't work :-/
19:40.24wols_abrotman: seem they sent him here
19:40.25gonzaloafwols_, when I run 'mount' I see this output http://www.pastebin.ca/811281 what should I do with that?
19:40.27pickcoderwhat is in /etc/environment
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19:40.34wols_abrotman: and blamed debian *gasp*
19:40.39abrotmanokeedokee
19:40.57Xjill_The error is with pg_control as far as I've been able to tell
19:41.00gonzaloafmaybe is not a good idea to have /usr in LVM
19:41.10wols_gonzaloaf: that's not in knoppix
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19:41.34gonzaloafwols_, should I use the debian installer cd instead?
19:41.50wols_gonzaloaf: no you should show the knoppix mount output
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19:42.39Xjill_wols_: Should I be able to dumb the DB when it's not running?
19:42.47wols_Xjill_: yes
19:42.52wols_better than if it were running :)
19:43.07gonzaloafwols_, http://www.pastebin.ca/811285
19:43.30pickcoderXjill_: have you tried setting pg back to no_NO?
19:43.47abrotmanpickcoder: how about yes_YES ?
19:43.53Xjill_=)
19:43.56wols_gonzaloaf: I don't know how knoppix mount lvm partitions, but I do know it can. so find out how and mount it at /mnt/debian/usr
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19:45.28pickcoderabrotman: oh.. that was a joke..  don't quit your day job.. unless this is it. <g>
19:45.28smacnayAny recommendations on a mail-check program for the gnome desktop?
19:47.33abrotmanpickcoder: dpkg pays me to toss botsnacks at him, but quite frankly, I've had enough.
19:47.38abrotman!botsnack
19:47.38dpkg:), abrotman
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19:48.52ericperssonAnyone know if the grub hd(0,1) is the equivalent of sda1, and hd(1,0) the equivalent of (hd1,0) ?
19:48.55leif_any one know why i cant get sound on gome on debian
19:49.31ericperssonleif_: check the permissions on /dev/audio
19:49.45ericperssonleif_: theres a special group called audio, are you in it?
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19:49.57pickcoderleif_: alsamixer.. make sure to hit "M" to unmute muted channels and turn the vol up on them
19:49.58leif_is new so dont think so
19:50.47pickcoderer.. "M" doesn't change the vol. bad phrasing there. up/down arrows do that
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19:51.08leif_ok now i got mixer on screen and i hit m  nothing happens to line in3
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19:51.29pickcoderyou have the command line "alsamixer" ?
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19:51.54wols_gonzaloaf: it chose for some reason the wrong partition probably
19:52.06leif_yeah
19:52.41pickcoderis pcm unmuted?
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19:55.05SamuraiDiowols_, i found how to fix the lg3d problem
19:55.08ericperssonpickcoder: whats that? :)
19:55.30ericperssoni just got "no, ericpersson, I wont..."
19:55.36SamuraiDiowols_, i was thinking that was an arch problem, but was just an incorrect path on a script, tnx for the help
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20:06.32mace33I have a strange problem... My Gnome desktop background keeps on resetting everytime I login.  Anyone know what the problem might be?
20:07.51abrotmangnome doesn't like your scenery
20:08.02mikes1mace33, good Q,,rather strange,,Debian 4.0?
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20:08.43mikes1anything is possible with uncle sid :)
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20:09.23mace33mikes1: err... It's actually Ubuntu 7.04, but me thinks it's a Gnome issue.
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20:09.46markybobpeople still havent learned to not come in here with ubuntu problems.  hrm.
20:09.56mikes1mace33, err me think maybe not
20:10.17drwahli have no screen saver set, but after 15 minutes, i have my monitor shut off. when i bump my mouse (to turn the display back on) i have no control over my desktop. i cannot click, type, etc.  I have to killall kdm and restart kdm in order to get control of my gui again.  similarly, when i do startx, i do not get a gui (other than a mouse pointer). some things that may have caused this is that i installed e17 and entrance, but i have rece
20:10.41mace33mikes1: could be... but it was fine until i wiped my .gnome and .gconf directories
20:11.27mikes1Could be\
20:11.50mikes1apt-get install gnome ,,,worth a shot
20:12.34mace33mikes1: hmm, let me try that
20:12.35stewmace33: please go to #ubuntu for help with ubuntu
20:13.27mikes1Lenny is progressing well :)
20:14.41mace33stew: thanks
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20:25.19jeremy_cIs there a tool that will allow Window users to easily change their password on a debian box? (/etc/passwd) ?
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20:25.36abrotmanpasswd
20:25.44abrotmanhow are they logged in?
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20:26.15jeremy_cabrotman, nope. The only times it's accessed is via their mail login (IMAP).
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20:30.20ben___I got a bug with gdm : i'm using a custom-compiled version of the fluxbox wm under debian unstable/i386, and when i log under gdm, i got an error message saying that gtk+ is not meant to run setuid root (fluxbox is not declared in gdm). Shall i file a bug against this, or is this normal behaviour ?
20:30.36ericperssonanyone got good grubskills and want to verify a few questions, I can donate a few bucks for some open source project as a favour..
20:30.55stewericpersson: if you have a question, just ask it
20:31.39xandjeremy_c: there are web-based things for changing passwords... security will vary
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20:31.51ericperssonstew: sure, is grub hd0,0 the equivalent of sda1 and hd0,1 = sda2, hd1,0=sdb1 , hd1,1=sdb2
20:31.56abrotmanjeremy_c: there are some web based thingies that let you
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20:32.13eroticonwhen i run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg i dont see the autodetect option
20:32.37ericperssonwill grub pickup changes to menu.1st automatically, or do i need to "do" something like you ran lilo, when using lilo...
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20:34.35mikes1eroticon, 4.0?
20:35.20stewericpersson: grub automatically picks up changes to menu.lst depending on where you are making them
20:35.31eroticonmikes1: yes
20:35.35drwahli have no screen saver set, but after 15 minutes, i have my monitor shut off. when i bump my mouse (to turn the display back on) i have no control over my desktop. i cannot click, type, etc.  I have to killall kdm and restart kdm in order to get control of my gui again.  similarly, when i do startx, i do not get a gui (other than a mouse pointer). some things that may have caused this is that i installed e17 and entrance, but i have rece
20:35.41stewericpersson: what does /boot/grub/device.map say?  it is what would map hd0 to sda or hda or sdb or somehting
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20:36.05stewericpersson: and hd0,0 would mean sda1 if hd0 is mapped to sda
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20:36.30ericperssonstew: good point, didnt know that, will check..
20:36.55mikes1drwahl, remove them if not needed
20:37.19ericperssonstew: (hd0)   /dev/sda
20:37.20ericpersson(hd1)   /dev/sdb
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20:37.29drwahlmikes1: i removed entrance and e17, but i am still having the issue
20:37.30ericperssonstew: in that case it seems correct..
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20:38.07mikes1drwahl, apt-get install kde
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20:38.29stewericpersson: now, there are some automatic ways of changing stuff in menu.lst that wouldnt' be seen immediately, which is if you change the lines that appear commented like "# kopt=" or "# groot=".  those line are propagate into the 'automagic kernel list' when you run "update-grub"
20:38.37stewericpersson: (which is run automatically when you install a new kernel)
20:38.46mikes1make sure there are no missing libs drwahl
20:38.54drwahlmikes1: will do
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20:39.05ericperssonstew: i see, havent done anything like that, and wont update the kernel..
20:39.09stewericpersson: so if you are, for instance changing the root= line from some kernel that is in the automatic seciton, your changes will be overwriten
20:39.29drwahlit looks like it installed kdelibs and kde-core, which i find interesting because i'm using kde right now...
20:39.44ericperssonstew: im having a 2 disk software raid on /dev/md0, and one disk failed(sda), and will replace it tomorrow, trying to verify that it will boot on the second disk without problems..
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20:40.08ericperssonstew: ah, good point..
20:40.38mikes1drwahl, Sounds all good ;)
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20:42.54ericperssonstew: any other wise hints? ;)
20:43.43stewericpersson: if you need to maintain a grub entry that has "root (hd1,0)" where the other kernels and the # groot= line has (hd0,0), then make a copy of that kernel and put a copy outside of the automagic section.
20:44.11stewericpersson: if you are doing this for raid, then perhaps you want to set one root as been a fallback for the other: /msg dpkg grub fallback
20:44.16ericperssonstew: yes, thats what I did.. it didnt have that before.. but how about the mbr?
20:44.32stewericpersson: you'll want to grub-install to both mbrs
20:44.39ericperssoni see..
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20:45.13ericperssonstew: do you know if there is a way to "look" at the current mbr?
20:45.31stewericpersson: to see if grub is there?
20:45.47ericperssonstew: exactly..
20:45.51stewericpersson: not really, i sometimes do "head /dev/sda | strings"
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20:46.05jelly-homedd if=/dev/sda bs=512 count=1 | less  ?
20:46.13stew<PROTECTED>
20:46.30ericperssonis that safe on a running machine?
20:46.34stewericpersson: yes
20:46.42jelly-homereading the disk is usually safe, yes
20:46.48aleksanteriwoowee i didn't know ya could do that with egrep lol
20:46.54unlinki'm trying to install openoffice.org-writer, and it wants to bring in all of gcj, but i already have sun-java6-jre installe
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20:47.13ericperssonjelly-home: hehe.. got a point..
20:47.16jelly-homeunlink: it sucks.
20:47.25unlinkjelly-home: ?
20:47.40aleksanterijelly-home, what would be better then?
20:48.07jelly-homeunlink: the packages dependencies do.  you could even have the whole -sdk, it would still want pieces of gcj/gij
20:48.30aleksanterier.. ya mean sun-java6-jre sucks? :)
20:48.49unlinkjelly-home: it doesn't just want pieces ... it wants over 100 MB of it
20:48.51jelly-homealeksanteri: no, oo.o 2+ packaging does
20:49.19rmajby default,  sudo something  will ask user to enter his own password, or the root password?
20:49.19aleksanteriah right
20:49.26aleksanterirmaj, own
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20:49.35ericperssonstew and jelly: head /dev/sdb does say something about grub..
20:49.45rmajaleksanteri: really?
20:49.53rmajhow to make sudo to ask for root passwor
20:49.53aleksanteriwell it's always been my own password for me
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20:50.17aleksanteridunno, never needed that
20:50.28stewrmaj: you can't.  you could use 'su' for that
20:50.50trprrmaj: you sure you aren't confusing su and sudo? sudo has always operated using the user's own password. that is the premise; super user powers without the root password
20:50.55rmajstew: I can't if the sudo (or rather gksudo) is executed by some other application
20:50.57ericperssonstew: that grub fallback thingie seems really interesting..
20:51.07rmajtrpr: this is not very secure
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20:51.33unlinki don't get it. i have sun-java6-jre (which satisfies java2-runtine) and libjline-java installed, the only two deps of bsh. yet when i want to install bsh, it asks for bsh-gcj gcj-4.2-base libgcj-bc libgcj-common libgcj8-1 libgcj8-1-awt libgcj8-jar
20:51.34trprrmaj: ubuntu is a desktop distro. if you are using it in a mission critical scenario then you should consider something else ;p
20:51.34aleksanterirmaj, then rename sudo to something else and make a wrapper from sudo to "su -c"
20:51.41stewrmaj: it would be less secure if your less trusted users knew your root password
20:51.49rmajtrpr: well, some distros are too old, others I dont know
20:52.07rmajstew: or better yet, ask another password
20:52.39rmajtrpr: some of libs and tools I use seem to be over year old in testing even
20:52.57rmajperhaps this can be done with PAM>
20:52.57trprrmaj: that is the debian philosophy. stable means stable
20:53.01unlinkwhy is it trying to install the recommended packages when i'm simply issuing apt-get install?
20:53.38jelly-homeunlink: new apt does that by default.  Are you running testing, or unstable?
20:53.43unlinkunstable
20:54.10unlinkhow do i not do that?
20:54.29ericperssonstew and jelly-home: thanks for your help.. good with some other brains to try ideas against..
20:55.18stewunlink: i believe you can change a setting in /etc/apt/apt.conf
20:56.25unlinkstew: i'm having trouble locating the relevant documentation ... man apt-get and man apt.conf don't mention this
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20:57.10rmajwhere to set (gui) to powerdown monitor after 30 minutes?
20:57.30neoticrmaj: window manager?
20:57.38rmajneotic: kde
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20:59.32mindshiftare most program in amd64 that exist for 32bit?
20:59.40mindshiftI don't know what to choose
20:59.52unlinkstew: aha, --no-install-recommends
20:59.57kombiis there a command line option to start iceweasel in fullscreen mode?
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21:00.26kombi..it would have to be hidden one, nothing in docs or man page..
21:01.31kombifullscreen mode = thing that happens when you press f11
21:01.47mindshiftis testing rolling release or evolutionary?
21:02.02tenaitEnSonBecis it a way to generate automaticly an entry in Application menu for each application , some have no entry
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21:03.30kombitenait: you'd have to put them there manually I am afraid
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21:04.52tenaitEnSonBecOk but somtimes a soft generate an entry on install and sometimes not  Why
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21:10.45elenrilwtf, locate has been moved from findutils?
21:11.00abrotmanyay@!
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21:11.20Silvianahi...
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21:12.18elenrilhmm, should depend on it at least
21:12.19mbroekerdpkg, hello
21:12.19dpkghi
21:12.45Silvianai am trying to get my server at homr from my office.  There i have capped ssh but not http out. I am thinking about a http tunel, ssh over http
21:12.47wols_unlink: how to make this default?
21:12.52wols_I'd hate to always type that
21:12.58Silvianaany help?
21:13.21RoninSilviana: ask your office it staff
21:13.25wols_Silviana: just let your ssh listen on port 443
21:13.36unlinkwols_: how do you?
21:13.44wols_unlink: I'm asking you
21:13.55Silvianawols_: and?
21:14.07wols_Silviana: nothing and
21:14.17Silvianathis would goes?
21:14.27RoninSilviana: and connect on that port instead of 22, just remember bypassing office security is usually a quick way out of the office
21:14.28wols_Silviana: edit your sshd_config
21:14.41unlinkwols_: oh. no idea. some mailing list post suggested APT::Install-Recommends = false;, but that doesn't work.
21:14.43Silvianawols_: i have it so
21:15.26Silvianawols_: i have thought in httptunel
21:15.51Silvianabecause i suppose having listening sshd in 443 would not works
21:16.12wols_and why wouldn't it?
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21:16.24unlinkwols_: didn't work for me
21:16.33Silvianabecause ssh protocol is not masquerade
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21:17.30Silvianafirewall can knows connection is ssh although it want to 443
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21:18.04grendal_primeis there a vpn server that accepts stunnel connections...i mean that seams a strange thing to ask...but well im looking for something that makes managing several stunnel connections at one time...like a concentrator sort of solution.
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21:18.44TrampSilviana: Why don't you discuss your case with the Security-Officer of your company? Maybe they will work out a way to enable ssh-acces to your home computer.
21:18.47wols_grendal_prime: use a proper vpn
21:19.20RoninSilviana: go talk to your office IT staff before you get fired
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21:19.40SilvianaTramp: may be no
21:19.46dtohow come it says "lenny/sid" in my login prompt?
21:19.47mikes1lol
21:19.57RoninSilviana: then you dont need to do it
21:20.10SilvianaRonin: of course not
21:20.11wols_dto: cause you run testing or unstable
21:20.20mikes1or both
21:20.21dtoi thought lenny was testing
21:20.22Silvianaso thats whay i am asking it here
21:20.27wols_dto: it is
21:20.30dtomaybe i have something wrong in my apt-sources?
21:20.30Silvianahttptunell?
21:20.41RoninSilviana: its worth the chance of getting fired?
21:20.43TrampSilviana: If no, they may have a reason. Of course you may be able to tunnel your ssh through http with httptunnel. But if they find out, you may face consequences.
21:20.58mikes1dto, you may have installed some sid libs also
21:21.09jewardHi, I've been tasked with running our ldap passwords through a password cracker.  I've written a script to pull them out of slapcat output.  They're md5 encrypted.  Is that all I need to run through crack-md5?
21:21.23wols_mikes1: if you run lenny it always says lenny/sid
21:21.35mikes1no
21:21.53mindshiftif I updated a package in debian, will it first completly remove the old program and then install the new one?
21:21.56mikes1wols_, I am using Lenny now
21:22.16SilvianaTramp: http://sebsauvage.net/punching/
21:22.27dtomikes1: ah ok
21:22.40wols_mikes1: I am running sid only and it says lenny/sid
21:22.43dtoright now i'm installing the fglrx driver
21:23.01wols_and it is the same if you run lenny
21:23.06grendal_primewols...i wish i could...i use openvpn for all the things we have built since i got here..thing is we have boxs in the fileld that use stunnel to connect.
21:23.19wols_mikes1: it will keep config files usually
21:23.28grendal_primethese things were coded around that transport.
21:23.30SilvianaTramp: in the client side, i dont have a unix computer. window$$
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21:23.49TrampSilviana: Why do you refer me to that? Do you want to say it is legitimate to circumvent your company's security provisions because it is technically possible?
21:23.50mikes1I am looking for for a working Lenny iso link/mirror
21:24.08wols_mikes1: don't. install etch and upgrade
21:24.21grendal_primenow at this point the stunel server i believe is a windows box..wich i find very odd.  but it crashes when it gets high number of connections
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21:24.28mikes1wols_, I diid that with this one
21:24.28TrampSilviana: This is like saying it is legitimate to steal office-supplies because they are not locked away.
21:24.29streuner_mikes1: new to Debian?
21:24.51mikes1streuner_, no
21:24.55SilvianaTramp: seens you were the general manager of that company
21:25.17mikes1streuner_, I think i has an issue with my isp
21:25.24Silvianatake it easy, friend
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21:25.45TrampSilviana: No, I was just outlining the consequences. Concerning your initial question: Try httptunnel.
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21:26.16SilvianaTramp: but in the client side?
21:26.39wols_Silviana: that is windows as you said. wrong channel
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21:26.48Silvianayes
21:26.57Silvianaany alternative way?
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21:28.28TrampSilviana: I'm pretty sure that there are ready-made client binaries for linked against cygwin libraries.
21:28.48mikes1streuner_, Be nice if debian had an installable live cd,,got a debian live cd but not installable :(
21:29.12rmajhow to set exact refresh rate of my monitor? 50, 58, 59  all work not so good, I think it should be 59.9 or 60 or 60.1
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21:29.32mindshiftdebian's package manager seems to be very poor at handling updates..
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21:29.46wols_rmaj: nonsensical
21:29.52Roninmindshift: ok ill bit, why?
21:29.54streuner_mikes1: What's the issue, only to install lenny/testing? follow the advice of wols_ then
21:29.55wols_rmaj: is it a FT
21:30.02rmajwols_: lcd
21:30.02wols_mikes1: you are very funny. reallly funny
21:30.10wols_rmaj: then there is no refreshrate
21:30.17mindshiftit makes a mess
21:30.31mindshiftI don't like when it becomes a mess
21:30.34wols_oops. mindshif is the funny one mosty
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21:30.45Roninmindshift: nice non answer but then you were the one complaining about too many choices
21:30.50wols_mindshift: using shitty 3rd party repos much?
21:31.04mindshiftnah I haven't even tried it :)
21:31.05rmajwols_: you are wrong, lcd uses refresh rate, it have impact on image
21:31.26infernixi have a .tar.gz with files that go in /usr and /etc. how can I convert this to a really simple .deb package? i know there's a simple tool for it, just can't get on its name
21:31.41wols_rmaj: you are very mistaken. LCDs run at 50 or 60 Hz depending and that's it. no other rathe
21:31.46wols_*rates
21:31.48infernixdon't want to take the hard way as its all binary anyway, no sources
21:31.55markybobrmaj he's right.
21:32.08wols_infernix: checkinstall? alien?
21:32.15mindshiftwill I get the latest packages with testing?
21:32.32b0hahello guys
21:32.36mindshiftI want the updates to come in daily
21:32.43b0hacan you check this picture: http://xs222.xs.to/xs222/07501/snapshot2.png
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21:32.56wols_!tell mindshift about testing
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21:33.08b0hawhy do i cant connect to wireless network
21:33.09\amethystmindshift:  if you want the very latest, that's sid... but you have to be willing to deal with broken packages
21:33.18b0hait looks like signal is ok
21:33.19\amethyst"latest" means "hasn't been thoroughly tested", after all
21:33.26b0habut im not connected
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21:33.31b0hawhat should i do
21:33.36infernixwols_: heh, never knew that alien could do that. thanks
21:33.44markybobb0ha set your dns server.  /etc/resolv.conf
21:33.47karstenb0ha: cat /etc/resolv.conf
21:33.51wols_infernix: it can't do it very well. careful
21:34.07wols_infernix: easier maybe to put it all in /usr/local/ (you should NEVER put stuff in /usr)
21:34.09infernixthere's no checkinstall package though
21:34.10vltHello. How can I connect vncserver to a listening vncviewer instance?
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21:34.15wols_!checkinstall
21:34.15dpkghmm... checkinstall is a program that tracks all files installed by "make install" (or equivalent), creates a Debian (or other) Package with those files, and adds it to the installed packages database, allowing for easy package removal or distribution. http://asic-linux.com.mx/~izto/checkinstall/ | Not in etch because http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?p=57724#57724
21:34.20mindshifthow does a package go from unstable to testing?
21:34.21karstenb0ha: ... and see if you can ping your nameserver and/or 64.233.187.99 (one of google.com's IPs).
21:34.25\amethystmindshift:  testing gets packages after they have spent some time in sid without too many bugs
21:34.27infernixno thats the problem wols_, this binary cruft is using /usr/bin etc and its hardcoded
21:34.35infernixhence my asking here:)
21:34.42infernix*me
21:34.44wols_ouch. avoid it
21:34.51infernixcan't
21:35.18infernixalien worked, though.
21:35.19\amethystmindshift:  http://www.debian.org/doc/FAQ/ch-ftparchives#s-testing  for the details
21:35.30b0hakarsten can you give me the example of resolv.conf file
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21:35.42wols_b0ha: nameserver 1.2.3.4
21:35.43wols_that's it
21:35.45markybobb0ha add "nameserver 192.168.5.1"  to resolv.conf
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21:36.13b0hatnx guys i will try
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21:36.16athulahi all
21:36.20b0habrb (reboot to debian)
21:36.21athulai am runing etch
21:36.25athulajust got it installed
21:36.36wols_!enter athula
21:36.37athulahow can i mount something as ntfs-3g...
21:36.47wols_!ntfs-3g
21:36.47dpkgfrom memory, ntfs-3g is a user-space NTFS driver with write support and good performance.  http://www.ntfs-3g.org/.  Available in Lenny, but not for Etch except as a backport: see the package page at http://packages.debian.org/etch-backports/ntfs-3g, backport instructions at http://www.backports.org/.
21:36.52athulait says ntfs-3g command not recognised
21:36.52karstenb0ha: man 5 resolv.conf
21:37.14athulawols_: thanks dude
21:37.20Trampkarsten: hmm - but all of his RX-packets are errors - so I doubt he is associated properly ?
21:37.21\amethystathula:  then you need the ntfs-3g package
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21:37.33mindshift!netinstall testing
21:37.44wols_mindshift: install etch and upgrade
21:37.45athula\amethyst: i just add the backports repo into sources.list?
21:37.45karstenTramp: Possibly.
21:37.50wols_!tell mindshift about etch->lenny
21:37.55mindshiftnah to much hassle
21:37.57mindshifttoo
21:38.06wols_athula: read the instructions on site
21:38.26mindshiftI don't trust debian to do a good upgrade
21:38.36mindshiftI need a testing netinstall cd
21:38.42athula!ntfs-3g
21:38.42dpkg[ntfs-3g] a user-space NTFS driver with write support and good performance.  http://www.ntfs-3g.org/.  Available in Lenny, but not for Etch except as a backport: see the package page at http://packages.debian.org/etch-backports/ntfs-3g, backport instructions at http://www.backports.org/.
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21:39.26stewmindshift: an upgrade is less likely to fail than using a beta version of the installer
21:39.45wols_stew: didn't you hear? debian has a bad package management that makes a mess
21:40.22mindshiftyeah
21:40.55karstenstew: Better switch to Red HAt.
21:40.58mindshiftarch keeps it clean, but it doesn't have a big repos as debian has
21:40.58wols_mindshift: did you consider maybe, that you are very mistaken?
21:41.11stewoh, now i remeber who mindshift is
21:41.16\amethystmindshift:  what do you mean, exactly, by "a mess"?
21:41.19karstenstew: I hear that RPM has been developed and debugged for nearly ten years.  Surely they've got it just about perfect now.
21:41.25stewhe's the one that doesn't like debian becuase it provides more than one frontend to libapt
21:42.38\amethystkarsten:  over 10 years, actually :)
21:42.39mindshiftlike, if you have an old version of a progra, and you want to remove it, it has files left on the system, evne tho you wanted to remove it, or if you upgrade a progra, it keeps old junk files left, or that different package manager inferfaces keeps track of what THEY have installed and not others
21:42.42stewkarsten: you are thinking of .cab
21:42.54mindshiftthat's what I call a mess
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21:43.01karstenstew: Dude!  pkzip!
21:43.07\amethystmindshift:   As for the first part, that's the difference between "remove" and "purge"
21:43.22karstenstew: ... I'm sorry, I misspoke:  arc-zip
21:43.23stewmindshift: no there are not different package manager interfaces that keep track of what they have installed other than log files
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21:43.47stewmindshift: if you remove a pacakge everything but its config files are removed if you want to remove the config files, purge the package
21:44.01\amethyststew:  I think he might be referring to the fact that, until recently, aptitude tracked automatic vs manual installations but apt-get didn't
21:44.12athulai get this error when doing apt-get install ntfs-3g
21:44.15athuladpkg: dependency problems prevent configuration of ntfs-3g: ntfs-3g depends on libfuse2 (>= 2.6)
21:44.26athulahow could i install >=2.6 version..
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21:44.43\amethystathula:  version 2.6.5-1~dpo.1 should be in backports
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21:44.54mindshiftoh well
21:44.57wols_athula: backport
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21:46.04athulai have added the backports mirror to sources.list..and i do apt-cache search libfuse..all i get is libfuse2
21:46.12athulasorry...am a bit lost
21:46.47mindshiftare most software also available for amd64?
21:47.02wols_mindshift: where applicable, yes
21:47.11blubberdiblubathula: have you already done an "apt-get update" ?
21:47.28mindshiftwill I still have 32 bit libraries with a 64 bit?
21:47.29athulayap
21:47.34mindshiftI want a pure environment
21:47.47wols_mindshift: depends if you install them
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21:47.57\amethystmindshift:  There are some notable proprietary software packages that aren't available, but nearly everything free (that isn't x86-specific) is
21:48.16mindshifteven the community packages+
21:48.41\amethystmindshift:  what do you mean by "community" ?
21:49.00\amethystmindshift:  the default libraries for amd64 debian are 64-bit, but there are 32-bit libraries available in packages like ia32-libs
21:49.09\amethystin case you need to run 32-bit software
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21:49.27mindshiftwhat, that does it!
21:50.13mindshiftcan I remove them with apt-remove?
21:50.22mindshiftis it a packages that I can remove?
21:50.35\amethystyes, as long as you don't have 32-bit programs that depend on them installed
21:50.39wols_"bash: apt-remove: command not found
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21:50.47\amethystapt-get remove
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21:50.58mindshift:)
21:51.01\amethystmindshift:  or, since you were complaining about config files being left over,  apt-get remove --purge
21:51.08blubberdiblubathula: in sources.list, you have a line saying "deb http://www.backports.org/debian etch-backports main contrib"?
21:51.08\amethyst(or  aptitude purge )
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21:51.20Ronin\amethyst: dont give them too many choices
21:51.35mindshiftok one last thing, I heard the init system of debian sucks, it's not easy to configure
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21:52.05asgmindshift: that's because you listen to stupid people. look at the rcconf package or man update-rc.d
21:52.07\amethystThe init system of debian is a pretty standard sysvinit
21:52.19pickcodermindshift: I find it just as easy as any other sysv init
21:52.44mindshiftyeah but the bsd like is better I heard
21:52.49\amethystugh
21:52.49wols_asg: he doesn't need to listen to them...
21:52.56\amethystBSD-like is nasty IMHO
21:52.57Roninmindshift: then go run bsd
21:53.05\amethystvery few Linux distributions use it anymore
21:53.09wols_Ronin: I wish
21:53.11asgwols_: this is indeed true
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21:53.35AciDis there a smaller menu for gnome on debian than the default "application places system" one ?
21:53.35mindshiftbsd kicks ass, it's for real computer users
21:53.47pickcodermindshift: drop your script into /etc/init.d/ and then use one of many tools to add it, remove it, or change the run-levels
21:53.51Roninmindshift: uh huh sure whatever you say
21:53.52mutanteAciD: 9menu ? ;)
21:54.07tathiWhen apt-get says, "0 upgraded, 1 newly installed, 0 to remove, and 5 not upgraded." does the "not upgraded" number mean packages for which newer versions exist?
21:54.17tathiAnd if so, how do I find out which packages those are?
21:54.28\amethystmindshift:  Do you even know the difference between SysV-style and BSD-style init scripts
21:54.40pickcodertathi: apt will tell you which ones were not to be uprgaded
21:54.42wols_!held back
21:54.42dpkghmm... kept back is when packages have not been upgraded even though newer versions are available. This happens if dependencies cannot be resolved, packages are on hold or you used "upgrade" not "dist-upgrade" and new packages need to be installed. To investigate, "apt-get -s install <kept-package>". Also see http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/69
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21:55.10pickcodertathi: you can, in many occasions, install them individually to satisfy depends problems
21:55.13mindshiftyes, I can understand bsd, but not the other, therefore it's not good
21:55.33wols_mindshift: immaculate logic. bravo!
21:55.46\amethystmindshift:  SysV-style isn't hard to understand.  When it enters runlevel X, it does two things:
21:55.48pickcodermindshift: if all you have is a hammer, then everything looks like a nail
21:55.54Mar_Lothis directory is good www.directoryofwebsite.com ?
21:55.55Roninwols_: good govt logic actually
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21:56.01tathipickcoder: yeah...I was asking for a command-line option to apt-get or dpkg or whatever.  Couldn't find it myself...
21:56.14AciDmutante > I was more thinking about the plugin you can found in ubuntu where all the gnome menu is in only one icon
21:56.15\amethystmindshift:  1. runs all the scripts /etc/rcX.d/K??* with the argument 'stop' in lexicographic order
21:56.22pickcodertathi: it tells you on the screen, without any kind of options
21:56.25\amethystmindshift:  2. runs all the scripts /etc/rcX.d/S??* with the argument 'start' in lexicographic order
21:56.52mindshiftit's not intuative
21:56.56CryoVenomhelloooo....I was wondering, what other graphical effects things are there? I know there's compiz, there was this other window decoration thing, what is it called?
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21:57.10AciDemerald ? beryl ?
21:57.23CryoVenomdidn't beryl join with compiz?
21:57.28markybobyes
21:57.31\amethystmindshift:  Then maybe you want slackware
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21:57.38dtohmm, maybe i can get the free radeon driver to work with this caard?
21:57.40dto...
21:58.03wols_dto: which card is it?
21:58.08CryoVenomI remember hearing about this window decoration thing, not compiz though
21:58.11dtoradeon 9600pro
21:58.22wols_dto: ti will work yes
21:58.23dtoi think i might be able to, i'm googling
21:58.27davicompiz is not productive. It is just eye candy.
21:58.28dtowols_: which package should i get?
21:58.29Tramp\amethyst: not exactly. All scripts in 0 and 6 are always called with "stop", regardless of their Prefix - and rcS-scripts are always called with start (given: ther are no K* scripts in rcS.d)
21:58.32mindshiftI got a 9800 pro, I'm more pro than you are
21:58.40wols_dto: none. you already have it
21:58.41dtomindshift: :)
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21:58.51dtoi need to undo whatever fglrx did to my xorg.conf
21:58.57mindshift:p
21:59.05wols_!tell dto about drxx
21:59.14EnverexGrr, I have Java 5 and 6 installed yet Firefox wont display Java things claiming I need to install the Plugin, am I missing something?
21:59.30athulasorted, thank u
21:59.38CryoVenomI think what I'm looking for is gnome-window-decoration
21:59.39markybob!java plugin
21:59.40dpkgTo install a Java plugin in your browsers on Debian 4 or greater, install sun-java5-plugin or sun-java6-plugin. With konqueror, you may hit #327582
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22:00.34Enverexmarkybob, Those don't exist
22:01.00dtowols_: should I use the "ati" driver? I don't see "radeon" anywhere
22:01.05stewEnverex: which arch are you on?
22:01.08markybobEnverex wrong.  http://packages.debian.org/sun-java6-plugin
22:01.09CryoVenomunless it's the default thing on gnome
22:01.10tathipickcoder: I normally get output like this... http://paste.lisp.org/display/52246
22:01.46mindshiftwhy does all the packages get ugly patches on them?
22:01.46Enverexmarkybob, Feel free to check the repo yourself, it doesn't exist
22:01.46Enverexstew, x86_64
22:01.46wols_Enverex: http://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=+sun-java5-plugin&searchon=names&suite=stable&section=all
22:01.46markybobEnverex you goof ball.  java plugin doesnt run on 64-bit
22:01.46wols_Enverex: duh!
22:01.46stewEnverex: there is no sun plugin for amd64
22:01.46Enverexuuuuggggghhh
22:01.49EnverexBalls
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22:02.16dtowols_: on http://wiki.x.org/wiki/radeon it says the driver's name is radeon. perhaps I need a new X?
22:02.22pickcodertathi: hm
22:02.27tathipickcoder: oh, I found it finally...  upgrade -s
22:02.31wols_dto: nowadays it's named "ati"
22:02.33tathithanks
22:02.33stew!java plugin is also only available for i386 (not for amd64).  it is in non-free, ask me about <non-free>
22:02.33dpkgstew: okay
22:02.44dtowols_: oh ok.
22:02.46dtowols_: trying...
22:02.49pickcodertathi: eh?
22:03.02wols_pickcoder: the held back pacages
22:03.07pickcoderoh
22:03.08Caemyr!flash
22:03.08dpkgi guess flash is http://wiki.debian.org/FlashPlayer
22:03.11tathipickcoder: 'apt-get upgrade -s' shows the packages that are "not upgraded"
22:03.19pickcoder-s is simulate
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22:03.35CryoVenomwhat is something that would get me translucent windows?
22:03.43CryoVenomcustomizable?
22:03.46pickcoderthat will always show held packages?
22:03.48doubletwistWindex? :)
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22:04.02Roninheh
22:04.04pickcodereven when -s is left off and you don't see them?
22:04.23CryoVenomdoubletwist: hah
22:04.28tathier.  my apt-get *does* show the list of packages that it's going to install.
22:04.44doubletwistsorry, i came in and saw that line, and couldn't resist...
22:05.18pickcodertathi: I was referring to your install
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22:05.36pickcoderoh never mind..
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22:06.24b0hakarsten that didn work :/
22:06.29mindshiftI'm using the best os in the world right now
22:06.34b0hai cant ping even my acces point
22:06.36mindshiftwindows 2000
22:06.46Xjill_wols_: How do you dump a postgres DB when postgres isn't running? Tried to figure it out for a while, but all things say pg_dump, which only complains about no server...
22:06.53Roninmindshift: go troll elsewhere please
22:07.23wols_Xjill_: nfi
22:07.34mindshiftsoon, I'm waiting for the download of a burning software so I can burn debian
22:07.39wols_Xjill_: run postgres then but don't run the DB client app
22:08.08doubletwistwhat would cause a laptop [old Dell P2 400Mhz]  to freeze on reboot,but if I just tell it to shut down it works fine?
22:08.12Xjill_wols_: But I can't get postgres to wtart up at all because of the locale issue :-/
22:08.24mindshiftis sketchup in the debian repos?
22:08.25Xjill_start*
22:08.35stewmindshift: /msg dpkg pdo ; /msg dpkg search
22:09.53blubberdiblubdoubletwist: some Dell bioses are having some issues
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22:10.37doubletwistYeah. It won't even power off after that, I have to remove the power and the batteries...
22:10.42_Sam--doubletwist :  maybe its a hint.
22:10.54TrampIf I only want to see security upgrades, do I have to use an alternative sources.list (i.e. one with only the security.d.o repositories)
22:10.56stewdoubletwist: try disabling acpi by passing "acpi=off" to the kernel
22:11.15stewTramp: what version of debian are you using?
22:11.17Paltas... and all you hardware may not work :(
22:11.20Trampstew: lenny
22:11.21doubletwiststew: I'll try that
22:11.34doubletwist_Sam--: Yeah there's a reason its name is 'craptop'
22:11.47_Sam--lol, i thought one of my old ones was old :)
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22:11.53_Sam--you got me covered
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22:12.13abrotmandoubletwist: if it makes you feel better .. we've got some old laptops here that run windows and freeze on reboot
22:12.25stewTramp: not really supported.  security upgarades to testing are rare to begin with, and are likely going to cause you to upgrade lots of other software when they do come out
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22:12.37stewTramp: if you want only security updates, you should be running stable, not testing
22:12.37buckyXjill_, that sounds like a ubuntu bug their locales is all messed up... i guess you could run dpkg-reconfigure locals and change it to just ISO 8859-1
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22:12.43SamuraiDio&pinning
22:12.44aptitudeIf you are running stable, don't pin; use a backport. Ask me about <backports> or <simple sid backport>. If you're using testing, man apt_preferences or see http://wiki.debian.org/AptPinning.
22:13.12Trampstew: I'm not saying that I only want them - I say that I only want to /see/ them to make informed decisions about how to proceed.
22:13.36SamuraiDioabrotman, ok
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22:13.52abrotmanthank you
22:14.05Trampstew: i.e. when a security-update to openssl comes out, I'd like to see it - now it simply drowns in the noise of other upgrades.
22:14.11mindshiftdpkg and apt-get, two different package managers with their own tracking of installed packages?
22:14.23stewTramp: subscribe to http://lists.debian.org/debian-security
22:14.34_Sam--so from here out, all debian sources should be referred to by their release name, and not stable, testing, unstable, in apt.sources?
22:14.41Trampstew: Ok, thanks.
22:14.55stewTramp: the ONLY traffic on that list is announcing new pacakges which have security fixes
22:15.01abrotmani thought it was debian-security-announce ?
22:15.06stewoh
22:15.07stewit is
22:15.09abrotman!dsa
22:15.09dpkgfrom memory, dsa is Debian Security Announcement, see http://lists.debian.org/debian-security-announce/ or  Debian System Administration, the people you pester (via rt.debian.org) to install software and such on Debian Project computers
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22:15.17jeremy_cI have a passwd file that I use for smtp-auth (/etc/exim4/passwd). I wrote a bash script that calls htpasswd -b /etc/exim4/passwd `whoami` $1  ... and then made the script chmod +s, thinking that would be a safe way for the user to change only his/her SMTP auth password, but it seems that it still does not have permission to update the passwd file. Any thoughts?
22:15.21Xjill_bucky: Thanks, I'll try that out
22:15.21abrotmanTramp: it's debian-security-announce .. or use the RSS feed
22:15.36Trampabrotman: stew: Ok, thanks. I'll do it like that.
22:15.46stewhmm i should probably put the RSS feed into my rss agregator that I never look at
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22:16.01abrotmanTramp: i've noticed the RSS feed lags the mailing list by anywhere from a few hours to a couple of days (NFC why though)
22:16.39Trampabrotman: Ah, I meant the mailing list with "like that". I rarely use RSS feeds at all - too new a technology for me.
22:16.41abrotmansuch as the samba issue that was announced a few hours ago still hasn't hit it
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22:16.56abrotmanTramp: okay . up to you :)
22:18.12pickcoderRSS is too new?
22:18.19pickcoderare you in the pick programming community?
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22:19.04Tramppickcoder: well, I slowly get accustomed to DVDs and mobile phones.
22:19.13jeremy_cDoes setuid work on bash scripts that launch other processes?
22:19.14pickcodernothing personal. I just hear those kinds of comments a lot.
22:19.20jelly-homemobile whatsits?
22:19.41pickcoderweb integration via web services has just started to take on
22:19.50jelly-homejeremy_c: linux kernel doesn't allow setuid scripts
22:20.10vltHello. I need to run a cronjob `nice -n 19 find /foo ! -perm -g+r -exec chmod g+r {} +` every few minutes. It takes about one minute in which the load on the machine is very high (pdflush, kcryptd, reiserfs). Any idea how to move that task even more to the background?
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22:20.13abrotmanpickcoder: aren't you *the* pick programming community? :)
22:20.14pickcoderpeople are still implementing new e-mail functionality
22:20.17jeremy_cjelly-home, if I make a compiled program that makes a call to system, will that function?
22:20.24jelly-homejeremy_c: yup
22:20.27pickcoderabrotman: 8)
22:20.29jeremy_cjelly-home, thanks.
22:20.39blubberdiblubvlt
22:20.40pickcoderI wish I was
22:20.46blubberdiblubvlt: try ionice
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22:20.50pickcoderI would be a multi-millionaire
22:20.52jelly-homejeremy_c: in fact, that's what you have to do on linux, make a nice setuid C wrapper for your script
22:21.01pickcoderand stressed the point of insanity
22:21.11vltblubberdiblub: Thank you, I'll try.
22:21.12abrotmanheh
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22:21.22jelly-homejeremy_c: that's what Mailman does, among others
22:21.23blubberdiblubvlt: it's in the schedutils package
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22:21.34abrotmanwtf
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22:21.35naxxatoe_..... *waits*......
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22:21.57mrkorn315I've got an ipod shuffle that is being auto mounted read-only in gnome, how can I fix it so that its read/write?
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22:23.05_Sam--mrkorn315 :  normally, to remount most partitions read/write instead of RO:  mount -o remount,rw /mountpoint
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22:23.20mrkorn315_Sam--: right but its an automounter
22:23.44mrkorn315_Sam--: if I setup an fstab entry, and then there is a usb stick in its going to fail because the device name will be different
22:24.02mrkorn315I want to know how to make the automounter mount it read/write
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22:25.27mrkorn315oh well, doing a mount -o remount,rw /media/IPOD, then removing and reconnecting it rememberd to do it r/w
22:25.34mrkorn315I don't know why :P
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22:26.24ziphyx!topic
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22:29.02vltblubberdiblub: Do you know how to combine "ionice" with "nice"? Just one after the other?
22:29.15abrotmanOnyx-Home: your internet sucks
22:29.33blubberdiblubvlt: yes, should work that way
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22:30.16jeremy_cCan someone look at this? http://pastebin.com/d29830709  ... I made that 13 line C program to get around the setuid problem, and it yields the same result, however, I execude the command it prints via sudo and all works fine. I'm missing something with setuid
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22:31.55Venomafter enabling compiz, I try to return to regular metacity with metacity --replace....everything breaks
22:32.07Venomno title bars, cannot change my window
22:32.20Venomthe tasks at the bottom get stuck
22:32.24Venomin gnome
22:32.41Venombut it works fine before enabling compiz and then trying to return to metacity
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22:33.41abrotmandoctor, it hurts when i ..
22:34.36vltblubberdiblub: hmmm, I can't see any effect of ionice. While the cronjob is running, Apache/PHP/MySQL isn't responding ... Any idea?
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22:36.01blubberdiblubvlt: you may want to insert "--"s at the correct locations ... maybe the options of the programs get associated to the wrong ones ... like: ionice -c3 -- nice -n 19 -- yourcommand
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22:36.14blubberdiblubvlt: tho i doubt that's the problem
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22:39.38blubberdiblubvlt: is it an option leaving out the find and just using chmod with -R ?
22:39.41lgcHi. How can I reconfigure the CPU frequency monitor in order to enable user frequency control? Thanks.
22:40.14MrProper_Has anyone had any luck with distributed filesystems over a SAN in debian?
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22:41.00Venomanyone can help with my metacity --replace problem?
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22:41.52rysiek|plhi all
22:42.22rysiek|pla short one - what was the command that aligned a given text to a given (default, AFAIK, 79) chars width?
22:43.45karstenrysiek|pl: 'fmt'
22:43.56karstenrysiek|pl: You can also do it in vim with, say:  set tw=79
22:44.38rysiek|plkarsten: I need that for a bash script, so fmt it is
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22:44.43rysiek|plthanks a bunch
22:44.52karstenrysiek|pl: ... which will automatically fold lines at 79 characters.  I set mine at 72 FWIW.  'gqip' to reflow a given paragraph.
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22:45.03Trampjeremy_c: huh - you are not providing this to users in order to let them change their own passwords, do you?
22:45.09karstenrysiek|pl: Note the option to get text to wrap at word-splits, which is '-w' IIRC
22:45.41jeremy_cTramp, to let them change their SMTP AUTH password, yes. Is that a problem?
22:45.43karstenrysiek|pl: ... or not.  I don't use fmt that much myself.
22:45.45jeremy_chm.
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22:45.53jeremy_cI see. They could easily change the ENV var :-)
22:46.00Trampjeremy_c: when they use "; cat /etc shadow" as password?
22:46.10rysiek|plkarsten: yeah, you know, after using Debian for some time now I have this Pavlov thingy that makes me "man <command>" before use ;)
22:46.22karstenrysiek|pl: *good*
22:46.54rysiek|plindeed
22:46.54Trampjeremy_c: basically you are providing a root-shell - and yes, the env-problem is just something else.
22:46.55jeremy_cTramp, hm. Show's I'm not very good at security.
22:46.55rysiek|plkarsten: and yes, it *is* -w
22:46.55karstenmedal, even.
22:46.58jeremy_cTramp, how would you recommend I allow them to change their SMTP auth password?
22:46.59techousemy friend b0ha asks how to install linux kernel sources; he needs it to make a package called mac8211
22:46.59techousesomething to connect debian with the wireless router
22:47.22techousethe funny thing is that the network gets detected but he can't ping the router :P
22:47.59Trampjeremy_c: I think you don't need system, better exec - or ask in a channel with C-programmers 8)
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22:48.45jeremy_cTramp, hm, I was afraid the C programmers were going to say it's a system issue :-). I'll go take a peek at exec and see what I can do. Thank you very much for the heads up.
22:48.59Trampjeremy_c: and get the user-id not from the environment but use getuid-calls
22:49.53Trampjeremy_c: the original user-id is still available, even after a suid - iirc. May C-programming days are long since gone.
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22:51.17Trampjeremy_c: and don't forget to use an absolute path for the exec'ed command!
22:51.26pmoowhat kind of virtualisation software would you use.. to help play windows games.. on linux..  i have actually a game on vista, but i could not install it / make it run with wine.. i thought about qemu, or something similar, but i have no VT cpu, any idea ?
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22:52.12karstenrysiek|pl: It's just very refreshing to find someone here (asking questions) who _does_ RTFM.
22:52.26karstenpmoo: wine, in general.
22:52.46karstenpmoo: You could try qemu, but performance will bog unless you include the accelerator modules, and even then it's not great.
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22:53.02karstenpmoo: You'll also need a Windows installation in that case.  Xen's another option.
22:53.12TurboBeeother than permissions, would there be anything else stopping sftp from uploading a file?
22:53.18pmookarsten, and i need special cpu for qemu ?
22:53.21karstenpmoo: ... and also complicated, particularly w/o VT support.
22:53.23rysiek|plkarsten: tell me about it. I do quite a lot of helping the "n00bs" on #ubuntu, #kubuntu and esp. #ubuntu.pl
22:53.26karstenpmoo: No, you don't.
22:54.02rysiek|plkarsten: and *believe me*, the n00bs you guys get here, well... they actually RTFWhateverIsPrintedOnScreen ;)
22:54.03b0hahello what does mean this: f it doesn't, you will need to install the sources for your kernel image
22:54.03karstenrysiek|pl: I learned a whole mess of what I know basically by helping people out.  So, reading manuals and helping folks will get you a long ways.
22:54.12rysiek|playe
22:54.22b0hahow do i install sources for my kernel image
22:54.27pmoowine is best.. but i must look for a pirated release of the game i use.. because the regular one, don't install.. due to security reason, and permanent ask of cd..
22:54.33karstenrysiek|pl: Yeah, I spend some time in other channels, the crowd (both sides) here isn't too bad.
22:54.37b0hamy kernel is 2.6.22-3-686
22:54.48karstenpmoo: Sounds like a personal problem ;-)
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22:55.19pmookarsten, :) no i expected a regular release to be easy to install.. :)
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22:56.08karstenpmoo: Well, I can't help you there, though you might note the install error(s) and file a bug against wine for the error.
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22:56.21karstenpmoo: also check the wine mailing list / newsgroup for any similar issues.
22:56.32VenomI recently dist-upgraded from etch to lenny
22:56.46Venomnow I get this when I run my software updater
22:56.48VenomCannot install all available updates
22:56.49VenomSome updates require the removal of further software. Use the function "Mark All Upgrades" of the package manager "Synaptic" or run "sudo apt-get dist-upgrade" in a terminal to update your system completely.
22:56.50pmookarsten, ok, thanks :) the only real thing i miss on linux.. is windows games :)
22:56.58rysiek|plkarsten: true. been here a few times, and helped a wee bit with some fstabs or ifconfigs... anyways, thanks again
22:57.11Venomwhat does this want me to do? upgrade to sid now?
22:57.28buckyb0ha, apt-cache search linux-source
22:57.58b0habucky what about if i dont have internet access ?
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22:58.17b0hacan i download on windows, and then install it in debian
22:58.27TrampVenom: man apt-get, read the entries for "upgrade" and "dist-upgrade"
22:58.44karstenpmoo: Dig.
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22:59.03karstenpmoo: If you really need your fix, keep a second system around.  rdesktop is how i run 'Doze apps I *nned* at work.
22:59.19mindshifthow easy is it to change the repos file to testing and update the system?
22:59.39pmookarsten, rdesktop ? :) for games.. does it run smoothly ?
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23:01.40PiousMinionI'm looking for a web based configuration tool for hosting type services but can't quite figure out what terms I should be searching for in apt-cache.  Ideas or suggestions?
23:02.01karstenpmoo: Video response might not be the greatest, but it's worth a shot.  rdesktop's free on Linux, and it integrates / uses MSFT's Remote Desktop service thing.
23:02.06stewmindshift: its easy to move to testing and near impossible to move back to stable afterwards
23:02.11karstenPiousMinion: ssh
23:02.11speevesPiousMinion: try control panel
23:02.35PiousMinionkarsten: ssh, lol.  This is for a linux newb, not myself.
23:02.37karstenPiousMinion: "control panel" (proprietary IIRC) is the usual suggestion.  Do _not_ use webmin if you like your system.
23:02.46VenomTramp: so I am at no risk of this changing my distribution?
23:02.57VenomTramp: just new packages?
23:02.58mindshiftwell, I wont be going back to stable, it's pretty outdated I guess
23:03.01TrampVenom: No. Not as long as you modify sources.list.
23:03.08PiousMinionkarsten: I would prefer opensource or at the very least.... free.
23:03.10karstenPiousMinion: ssh + helper scripts then.  Every remote access web admin thing I've seen more or less precisely sucks.
23:03.17TrampVenom: aeh Don't modify sources.list I wanted to say.
23:03.27pmookarsten, yes.. i might wait for next machine :(.. and this one will likely have a VT cpu too ;-) :) thanks .. for the clues ;-) nice of view
23:03.30jeremy_cTramp, I think this one is better: http://pastebin.com/d33a97bcf    ... thanks for the tips.
23:03.38pmookarsten, view / you
23:03.50speeveskarsten: what about http://www.ispconfig.org/?
23:03.51VenomTramp: this is my current sources
23:03.54VenomTramp: deb http://debian.yorku.ca/debian/ lenny main contrib non-free
23:03.55Venomdeb-src http://debian.yorku.ca/debian/ lenny main contrib non-free
23:03.55Venomdeb http://security.debian.org/ lenny/updates main contrib non-free
23:03.55Venomdeb-src http://security.debian.org/ lenny/updates main contrib non-free
23:03.55*** kick/#debian [Venom!n=debhelpe@unaffiliated/debhelper] by debhelper (use the paster bot or #flood)
23:03.57karstenpmoo: NP.
23:03.57PiousMinionpmoo: There was a whole lot of emotion in that last message. :P
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23:04.58VenomTramp: whoops, got myself kicked haha
23:05.06karstenspeeves: NFC, never heard of it.
23:05.08VenomTramp: did you see my sources
23:05.12karsten!tell Venom about paster
23:05.12mindshiftthe repos file is not very intuative
23:05.16Tramp!tell Venom about paste
23:05.39VenomTramp , karsten: it was just 4 lines :\
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23:05.56wols_mindshift: can you da anything else but whine?
23:06.06TrampVenom: well, as long as you leave your source.list as it is, apt-get will not change your system to unstable.
23:06.06speevesPiousMinion: you might try ispconfig then
23:06.18VenomTramp: Alright, thanks :D
23:06.19speevesPiousMinion: here is a step-by-step on Etch PiousMinion:
23:06.27PiousMinionspeeves: thanks.  :)
23:06.32rupa2hi, I hosed by system by upgrading to libc6 2.7 -- isn't there a ftp server that has the older sid packages (need the last 2.6 one)
23:06.36mindshift:)
23:06.38speevesPiousMinion:http://www.howtoforge.com/perfect_setup_debian_etch
23:06.41TrampVenom: But you must use "dist-upgrade" to pull required new packages or remove conflicting old ones
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23:06.48wols_rupa2: snapshot.deian.net
23:06.54rupa2wols_, bingo, thanks
23:07.11mindshiftjust hope I don't begin to like debian, otherwise you will be hearing alot more whining :)
23:07.32pmooPiousMinion, no.. tired.. and english is not my mother tongue.. i mess up with it, very very easily.. as the 'lazy' or 'tired' man i am
23:07.46PiousMinionhehe
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23:08.27VenomTramp: it's rmeoving libsasl2 and replacing it with libsasl2-2
23:08.33VenomTramp: I wonder what that is
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23:08.42Yggdrasilhello, im thinking of something wondering if its possible, Is there a way to run xorg out of a firewire port into a tv ?
23:08.45wols_!sasl
23:08.45dpkgrumour has it, sasl is Simple Authentication and Security Layer, an extensible authentication method defined in RFC 2222.  SASL allows for the use of various mechanisms for authentication, which are registered with the Internet Assigned Numbers Authority (IANA). a stupid, evil and poorly documented (but necessary) system for smtp auth.
23:08.59Trampjeremy_c: This looks better to me.
23:09.06wols_Yggdrasil: no
23:09.14Yggdrasilok, didnt think so
23:09.21Yggdrasilwould be cool though
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23:09.27wols_Yggdrasil: you can use firewire for networking tho
23:09.31Yggdrasilmhmm
23:09.53Yggdrasilseems like there should be a way because a digital camera does it.
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23:10.43wols_the camera acts as a mass storage
23:10.45wols_like a harddisk
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23:11.01Yggdrasilahh
23:11.05Yggdrasilhmm
23:11.05wols_it's not a picture that is transfered but something akin to a mpeg stresm
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23:11.23Yggdrasilwols you rock man
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23:11.32Yggdrasildont know how many times youve helped me, thank
23:11.33Yggdrasils
23:11.37tosh|I have a lot of pdf whitepapers and I want to search for keywords, any ideas on how to do this?   can beagle be of any assistance here?  I don't have a gui on the box with the pdfs so anyone know if beagle can do CLI only to give me the results? any alternatives?
23:11.38Trampjeremy_c: however, you should really always check ther return-values of system-calls.
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23:12.51rupa2is there a mode for apt-get similar to dpkg's --root option?
23:13.00jzxuit seems like if I use ssh to execute a command on a remote host and ctrl-c ssh locally, the command on the remote host continues to run, is there anyway I can prevent this?
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23:16.01Trampjeremy_c: and while you're at it, don't use getlogin put getuid/getpwent
23:16.46jeremy_cTramp, getlogin is bad?
23:17.01Trampjeremy_c: So says the manpage
23:17.24jeremy_chm, I just saw it in the unistd.h, so used it. Will read the man page.
23:17.52rupa2<fingers crossed>
23:17.59Trampjeremy_c: additionally it seem to rely on utmp-entries. They may or may not exists, depending on how the user logged in
23:18.00wols_rupa2: you can hand over dpkg options to apt-get which passes them on to dpkg when it calls it. read the manpage
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23:18.19rupa2wols_, ah, thnx, read the man page but didn't notice that one
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23:24.12peter__Hello
23:24.31peter__I want to make activator to launch game from icon
23:24.39peter__the game runs after "sh name" from console
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23:24.55peter__what should I write in path of activator ?
23:25.38mindshiftin 1 hour my file backup is done. Lets say I install xfce, will xfce be bloated with a debian icons on it's start menu?
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23:27.03abrotmanmindshift: they're just icons
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23:29.04shamrockduring a recent reinstall of iceweasel I have managed to alter the default flash settings. Any flash object now comes up as a big "pause" icon and I have to click it to get it to play. I would like to revert to the previous "play immediately" settings. Can anyone tell me where it is?
23:29.31karstenshamrock: You probably installed the "Press to Play" or "FlashBlock" plugins
23:29.53karstenshamrock: They're useful if you don't like seeing Flash ads all the time (I hate 'em).
23:30.10karstenshamrock: 'about:plugins' or Tools > Add-ons should show you what's installed.
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23:31.22peter__Hm... I will ask again. If I have created icon that should activate application (I can start it under console by "./name" command), what should I write in activator icon path ?
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23:31.29jeremy_cTramp, whew, how's this one? http://pastebin.com/d15ccb660
23:31.58shamrockkarsten: firebug, foxyproxy, greasemonkey, gTranslate,javascriptdebugger, webdeveloper
23:32.25karstenshamrock: Hrm.  None of the above.
23:33.30karstenshamrock: Adblock Filterset.G updateer, Adblock Plus, Firebug, Flashblock, Greasemonkey, Modify Headers, NoScript, repagination, Tab Mix Plus, User Agent Switcher
23:33.54karstenshamrock: Adblock, NoScript, and FlashBlock can all affect Flash elements.
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23:34.19streuner_!info privoxy
23:34.25dpkgprivoxy: (Privacy enhancing HTTP Proxy), section web, is optional. Version: 3.0.6-4 (sid), Packaged size: 1245 kB, Installed size: 2696 kB
23:34.27abrotmanpeter__: the full path
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23:35.43peter__abrotman, I give full path (/home/peter/Games/Homeworld/homeworld) - where "homeworld" is the sh file, and looks like icon do nothing
23:35.59shamrockkarsten: I found it. swf-mozilla! Thanks for the support.
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23:36.09abrotmanpeter__: what happens if you use the full path ?
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23:36.28peter__abrotman, nothing
23:36.28abrotmanyou may need to alter the script if it's expecting tidbits from your shell
23:36.44Nostahlhow can i get my sound working i have a soundblaster audigy ls
23:36.49abrotmanpeter__: what's the full filename ?
23:36.56peter__abrotman, I can launch it in two ways... sh homeworld or ./homeworld
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23:37.06peter__abrotman, just homeworld
23:37.12streuner_Nostahl: tried ALSA?
23:37.22themillpeter__: if it's a text-based shell script, you might need to run it in a terminal.
23:37.26abrotmanso if you set the launcher to "sh /home/peter/Games/Homeworld/homeworld" ?
23:37.41abrotmanpeter__: or xterm /home/peter/Games/Homeworld/homeworld"
23:38.05Trampjeremy_c: much nicer 8)
23:38.09Nostahlstreuner, how do i set up alsa.  i did apt-get install alsa
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23:38.43streuner_!+tell Nostahl -about alsa
23:38.44dpkgtold Nostahl about alsa.
23:38.51abrotmanwtf
23:39.08themillstreuner_: +tell?
23:39.16peter__abrotman, some black little screen appears and nothing happend
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23:39.19karstenshamrock: NP.
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23:39.30themill!tell talitacum_ about root
23:39.38abrotmanpeter__: with which method ?
23:39.49peter__abrotman, with xterm /path/homeworld
23:40.18streuner_themill: it shows in the channel that the factoid told to the <user>
23:40.24\amethystpeter__:  what is the first line of that script?
23:40.45Trampjeremy_c: you could have saved yourself the while-loop by using getpwuid thogh ;)
23:40.50peter__\amethyst, how to check it ?
23:40.51streuner_themill: without "+" before tell it doesnt
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23:41.00peter__\amethyst, edit in some text ?
23:41.02themillstreuner_: so I gather.... of course we saw the !tell line anyway. Just never seen it before.
23:41.04\amethystpeter__:  open it with a text editor
23:41.08abrotmanpeter__: head homworld
23:41.10abrotmanhomeworld
23:41.37streuner_themill: me too, dondelelcaro used it 1-2 weeks before...
23:41.38jeremy_cTramp, ah, you did mention that, huh...
23:41.48peter__\amethyst, abrotman "#!/bin/sh"
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23:41.58abrotmanseems usable
23:42.07Trampjeremy_c: actually - no, I didn't, I left the job of reading the manpages to you.
23:42.09themillpeter__: try running this in a terminal just before you double click on the icon: tail -f ~/.xsession-errors
23:43.04streuner_themill: it prolly was in blootbot before, just (so it seems) nobody used it :-)
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23:43.16Trampjeremy_c: but if you do this replacement (and, as I mentioned, check the return-value of /evey/ system-call) you should be all set.
23:43.18abrotmanstreuner_: sure they have
23:43.23abrotman!+info vlc etch
23:43.25dpkgUpdating debian files... please wait.
23:43.25themillstreuner_: indeed... live and learn
23:43.32dpkgvlc: (multimedia player and streamer), section graphics, is optional. Version: 0.8.6-svn20061012.debian-5 (etch), Packaged size: 1114 kB, Installed size: 3188 kB
23:43.32themilldpkg: you're slow
23:43.32dpkgNo, I'm not slow, I'm just overworked, underpaid, underappreciated and much maligned. Now STOP NAGGING ME!!!!
23:43.34abrotmanthat's been going on forawhile
23:43.46streuner_abrotman: yes, with update and info, but never with "tell" :-)
23:43.48peter__themill, it says "unable to open Homeworld.big" but this file is in it
23:43.59abrotmanstreuner_: it just shows here what it would have told you in /msg
23:44.10peter__themill, also, the game runs correctly when type in terminal ./homeworld
23:44.35abrotmanpeter__: if you can have it do multiple commands .. "cd /home/peter/Games/Homeworld && ./homeworld"
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23:45.04themillpeter__: what if you do from the terminal: cd ; /home/peter/Games/Homeworld/homeworld
23:45.39peter__themill, the "homeworld" is file, not dir
23:45.57abrotmanpeter__: note the ";"
23:45.58themillpeter__: yes, notice the ;
23:46.07peter__ok let see
23:46.44peter__abrotman, themill there is no ./homeworld.bin file
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23:47.02abrotmanis that what it says ?
23:47.05peter__yes
23:47.06themillpeter__: OK, so your shell script has to be run from that directory.
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23:47.17abrotmanpeter__: if you can have it do multiple commands .. "cd /home/peter/Games/Homeworld && ./homeworld"
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23:47.55peter__abrotman, it says there isnt any file or dir like "cd"
23:48.26themillpeter__: can you define a "working path" or "start directory" for the icon?
23:48.30peter__ah
23:48.32peter__wait ;)
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23:49.18peter__abrotman, "Failed to execute child process "cd" (no such file and directory)"
23:49.46\amethystpeter__:   Edit the 'homeworld' script and add as the second line   cd /home/peter/Games/Homeworld
23:49.51\amethystthat's probably the easiest fix
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23:50.09peter__themill, I dont know what are you talking about... ;/
23:50.22themillpeter__: try \amethyst's suggestion
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23:50.33peter__themill, but I have already made another icon activator that works
23:52.35peter__abrotman, themill \amethyst it works :) thanks for all
23:52.42lymecaHmm, so I have a Debian installation with no root password set.  I can log in to it via SSH (no local access) as a normal user but can't su to root.  How can I configure root access remotely then?
23:53.13neoticyou can't?
23:53.20simonrvnssh in; su -. why can't you su to root remote?
23:53.38themilllymeca: either set a root password or use sudo.
23:53.51lymecabut how do I set a root password without root access?
23:53.59neoticsudo passwd?
23:53.59lymecaI can;t su because it asks for a password
23:54.06lymecasudo isn't installed
23:54.09simonrvnwell duh
23:54.12neoticthen you're fucked
23:54.13lymecaAnd I can't install it...
23:54.16mindshifthow can a bunch of people update 18000 packages constantly?
23:54.21lymecahaha thanks neotic
23:54.24neoticlymeca: put in a live cd and fix it
23:54.30lymecaI don't have local access
23:54.32streuner_mindshift: 1000 DDs...
23:54.49themilllymeca: why doesn't "su -" work?
23:54.55streuner_mindshift: plus people who arent DD
23:54.59neoticlymeca: not much you can do without local access if you don't have the root password or su-ing capabilities
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23:55.14lymecaHah!
23:55.16lymecaI got it!
23:55.56lymecaThe OS install in question was a domain U guest in Xen, so I SSHed into the domain 0 and access the console of the domU using xm and logged in as root and set a password.
23:56.01lymecayay!
23:56.12neoticyea
23:56.13grendal_primeok this is just not working..i need to fire up a x app on a machine on the other side of a gateway... from A i ssh to B and then ssh to C now i should be able to fire up the x application on C right?
23:56.25mindshiftstreuner: So they are assigned to update 20 programs each?
23:56.30grendal_primex11 forwarding is enabled
23:56.36grendal_primeon b by the way..
23:56.44streuner_mindshift: many of them arent DDs...
23:56.46themillgrendal_prime: is x forward enabled on both ssh links
23:56.57grendal_primeya
23:56.57streuner_mindshift: Debian is big
23:57.23themillgrendal_prime: can you run an X program on B and have it display on A ok?
23:57.28streuner_mindshift: a big community and lots of people who help just Debian...
23:57.29mindshiftmaybe it it's weakness, maybe it's gotten to big so it's impossible to get a one philosopy OS?
23:57.44grendal_primex is not installed on b...on a and c
23:57.53grendal_primedo i need x installed on B too?
23:57.59streuner_mindshift: there is, /msg dpkg dfsg
23:58.26pickcodermindshift: it's only as big as you choose for it to be
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23:58.50themillgrendal_prime: check /etc/ssh/sshd_config on both B and C for the line "X11Forwarding no"
23:59.23mindshiftwhen somethings get big, it tends to get out of control and become bloated
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23:59.28themillgrendal_prime: also check that $DISPLAY is set correctly on both B and C after you have ssh'd in.
23:59.46themill!bloatsmite mindshift
23:59.48mindshiftthere is no unity and simplicity
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