| 00:00.01 | mrrcp | how do i convert to CST |
| 00:00.04 | mrrcp | ? |
| 00:00.09 | mrrcp | is there a cmd for squid |
| 00:00.12 | rahul | TZ=CST date |
| 00:00.20 | Knight_Lord | Tramp: it looks to stall on a read from the socket of 4 bytes |
| 00:00.33 | jelly-home | mrrcp: what are you trying to do? |
| 00:00.43 | \amethyst | CST isn't a valid timezone |
| 00:00.56 | rahul | \amethyst: eh? |
| 00:01.10 | rahul | it's as valid as EST is |
| 00:01.24 | \amethyst | which also isn't valid |
| 00:01.30 | rahul | granted, people say CST when they might mean something more specific |
| 00:01.38 | \amethyst | actually... |
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| 00:01.44 | rahul | but there is still always a CST timezone |
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| 00:01.51 | abrotman | wtf |
| 00:01.55 | \amethyst | odd, EST works (giving me US Eastern time), but CST doesn't (it gives me UTC) |
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| 00:02.08 | rahul | \amethyst: er, yeah |
| 00:02.09 | Tramp | Knight_Lord: thisissortaweird. Sorry, out of ideas now. |
| 00:02.11 | rahul | interesting |
| 00:02.16 | Nyle | luhar |
| 00:02.23 | abrotman | \amethyst: does cdt work ? |
| 00:02.23 | rahul | gandoo |
| 00:02.27 | Nyle | bondi |
| 00:02.32 | Nyle | HAHAHA |
| 00:02.41 | rahul | heh |
| 00:02.41 | Knight_Lord | Tramp: thanks for the help :). I totally agree with you, very weird |
| 00:02.48 | \amethyst | abrotman: no |
| 00:02.56 | Nyle | I slept all day man |
| 00:02.57 | \amethyst | I don't know why EST is working |
| 00:02.59 | Nyle | literally, all day |
| 00:03.00 | rahul | if I'm a bondi, it's your fault!! |
| 00:03.01 | abrotman | \amethyst: apparently you're not welcome in the fly-over states :) |
| 00:03.03 | Nyle | and last night too |
| 00:03.07 | Knight_Lord | Tramp: the client is MacOSX actually so it might be a mac specific weird thing |
| 00:03.08 | rahul | wow |
| 00:03.08 | jelly-home | there's /usr/share/zoneinfo/CST6CDT, but not "CDT" only |
| 00:03.10 | Nyle | i been sleepnig for a long time |
| 00:03.14 | Nyle | im still sleepy |
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| 00:03.27 | rahul | that's cause you've been sleeping so long |
| 00:03.31 | Tramp | Knight_Lord: yea - but if it works for every other user ... |
| 00:03.38 | \amethyst | should EST mean UTC-5, UTC-3, or UTC+10 ? |
| 00:03.44 | Nyle | what is today? |
| 00:03.53 | rahul | the day before tomorrow |
| 00:03.53 | Nyle | oh shit I was supposed to be at work 2 hours ago |
| 00:03.56 | rahul | heh |
| 00:03.58 | drwahl_ | i just purchased a logitech Pro 9000 webcam and would like to get it working (hopefully with skype). i install linux-uvc-sourc linux-uvc-tools and luvcviewer and i have no luck getting video. any ideas? |
| 00:04.21 | jelly-home | !any ideas |
| 00:04.22 | dpkg | Yeah, I have an idea! But I'll need a sack full of string, a little thermal paste, and 5 or 6 sex-crazed platypuses. And keep the cops off my back for the next few minutes! |
| 00:04.33 | Nyle | rahul: Eid is coming up |
| 00:04.37 | rahul | ooo thermal paste |
| 00:05.02 | rahul | what day? |
| 00:05.18 | Nyle | fucked if i know |
| 00:05.21 | jelly-home | I for one would like to see sex-crazed playpuses in some v4l action |
| 00:05.23 | rahul | heh |
| 00:05.47 | Tramp | !date |
| 00:05.48 | dpkg | The current date is 2007.12.15 0:05:47 (UTC of course, this is *NIX) |
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| 00:05.53 | Nyle | I would like a world where green was legal |
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| 00:06.03 | jelly-home | Nyle: move to .ml |
| 00:06.06 | jelly-home | .nl, even |
| 00:06.09 | Nyle | !ml |
| 00:06.09 | dpkg | [ml] meta-language, a functional language used by computer science professors to frustrate their students.. Mali, or short for <Mailing List> |
| 00:06.15 | Nyle | where is mali |
| 00:06.22 | rahul | .nl, foo |
| 00:06.29 | Nyle | mali in my language means gardener |
| 00:06.30 | Nyle | hehe |
| 00:06.39 | Nyle | oh |
| 00:06.43 | \amethyst | Nyle: Mali is in northern Africa. |
| 00:06.44 | Nyle | no thats ok i like usa |
| 00:06.48 | \amethyst | Nyle: also, http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/f5/European-cannabis-laws.png/401px-European-cannabis-laws.png |
| 00:07.00 | amphi | Nyle: heh |
| 00:07.06 | jelly-home | Nyle: contrary to what some USAans think USA !~ world |
| 00:07.37 | Nyle | hey |
| 00:07.49 | Nyle | whas that big blue chunk of land in the lower left hand corner? |
| 00:07.52 | Nyle | spain or something? |
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| 00:08.03 | jelly-home | Spain it is. |
| 00:08.06 | rahul | heh |
| 00:08.10 | Nyle | cool its legal there |
| 00:08.10 | \amethyst | Nyle: yes, spain. you didn't do well in geography, did you? :) |
| 00:08.11 | Nyle | word |
| 00:08.13 | Nyle | spain kicks ass |
| 00:08.24 | amphi | Nyle: if it's a map of Yurp, probably |
| 00:08.27 | Nyle | \amethyst: its been 14 years or more since high school man |
| 00:08.33 | Nyle | i didn't study geography in college |
| 00:08.45 | Nyle | hey at least I knew it was spain |
| 00:08.45 | jelly-home | common knowledge is overrated. |
| 00:08.47 | Nyle | c'mon |
| 00:08.58 | rahul | you haven't looked at europe since high school? |
| 00:09.06 | Nyle | not that I recall |
| 00:09.07 | jelly-home | Nyle: I bet you know the founding father though ;-) |
| 00:09.11 | Nyle | not to specifically look at it |
| 00:09.11 | \amethyst | Nyle: You'd remember the stuff you learned in high school if you didn't smoke so much pot, I bet :) |
| 00:09.12 | jelly-home | s* |
| 00:09.13 | rahul | dude, you've BEEN to europe since then, haven't you? |
| 00:09.19 | Nyle | \amethyst: thats correct |
| 00:09.22 | \amethyst | wait, what were we talking about? I'm hungry |
| 00:09.25 | Nyle | rahul: many times |
| 00:09.28 | Nyle | I grew up there for a time |
| 00:09.37 | rahul | and you didn't know where you were, heh |
| 00:09.48 | Nyle | i knew |
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| 00:09.59 | Nyle | westbury, around bristol |
| 00:10.07 | Nyle | southeast of london about 70km |
| 00:10.08 | wolfgang | http://wolfgang-city.myminicity.com/ind |
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| 00:11.26 | Nyle | dude I'm going to spain |
| 00:11.31 | abrotman | lavaramano: you might want to ask #debian-mentors on irc.oftc.net |
| 00:11.34 | simonrvn | /msg chanserv op simonrvn #debian; /ab wolfgang |
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| 00:11.57 | Nyle | spanish chics, spanish food, damn good music, and legal |
| 00:11.58 | lavaramano | abrotman, yep, im there too but not responses yet :/ |
| 00:12.05 | lavaramano | thx btw |
| 00:12.12 | abrotman | lavaramano: any channel you haven't been in? :) |
| 00:12.14 | Nyle | simonrvn: i'd vote for op for you |
| 00:12.43 | simonrvn | i don't want the aggravation |
| 00:12.45 | Knight_Lord | Tramp: after some diff between the strace for another user and for the problematic user I find that that the process of the troubled user tries to open an AF_UNIX socket, write to it and then read from it, with no luck |
| 00:12.57 | jelly-home | Nyle: I wouldn't trust wikipedia, better check with the locals before moving ;-) |
| 00:13.01 | rahul | Nyle: note that spanish food has nothing to do with any food you'll find in TX :P |
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| 00:13.10 | Nyle | simonrvn: but I won't vote for you, even though I could, mostly because you don't want the aggravation |
| 00:13.18 | ddalton | hi, can someone help me out with x? I am having problems with startx |
| 00:13.18 | Nyle | rahul: i know |
| 00:13.24 | simonrvn | hehe |
| 00:13.29 | Nyle | !tell ddalton -about ask |
| 00:13.31 | Tramp | Knight_Lord: that's some interaction with this ssh-agent, I presume |
| 00:13.44 | Nyle | hehe |
| 00:13.52 | Nyle | mm wake n bake |
| 00:14.11 | ddalton | what? |
| 00:14.14 | ddalton | tell me what? |
| 00:14.17 | Knight_Lord | Tramp: that was an excellent guess! |
| 00:14.26 | abrotman | ddalton: what kind of problems? |
| 00:14.35 | Tramp | Knight_Lord: 8) hehe. Now make the best of it. |
| 00:14.45 | ddalton | well should I pastevin the error I get when typing startx? |
| 00:14.48 | abrotman | !paste |
| 00:14.49 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 3 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://channels.debian.net/paste/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. |
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| 00:15.14 | ddalton | can I use general pastevin? |
| 00:15.19 | Nyle | sure |
| 00:15.19 | ddalton | pastevin.ca or something? |
| 00:15.24 | Nyle | pastebin |
| 00:15.26 | Nyle | not vin |
| 00:15.27 | Nyle | bin |
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| 00:15.47 | ddalton | oh ok im blind and didn't pick that up with speech. sorry. |
| 00:15.49 | rahul | wine should not be pasty |
| 00:15.52 | Nyle | is alright |
| 00:15.55 | gordonjcp | pastevin, hmmm |
| 00:16.11 | Knight_Lord | Tramp: it was the ssh-agent that was screwed up. Thanks a lot for all the help :) |
| 00:16.13 | rahul | only thighs |
| 00:16.25 | Nyle | breasts and thighs |
| 00:16.29 | Nyle | those my favorite |
| 00:16.29 | \amethyst | wine should be thighs? |
| 00:16.38 | Nyle | big breats and big huge thighs |
| 00:16.41 | Tramp | Knight_Lord: np |
| 00:16.42 | Nyle | mash potatos and gravy too |
| 00:16.48 | wireddd | is there a way to change my mouse sensitivity without restarting xorg? |
| 00:16.53 | maddash | wtf wtf "xrandr -S *" changes my dpi settings! how do I change them back without restarting X? |
| 00:17.00 | Nyle | i'll take a honey biscuit and some cole slaw too |
| 00:17.12 | rahul | I'll show you my slaw! |
| 00:17.14 | Tramp | wireddd: man xset |
| 00:17.15 | Nyle | maddash: man xrandr |
| 00:17.23 | Nyle | or too |
| 00:17.31 | \amethyst | maddash: xrandr --dpi maybe? |
| 00:17.32 | jelly-home | maddash: use xrandr again, with more sensible options? |
| 00:17.34 | wireddd | Tramp: that is only accel though it seems |
| 00:17.35 | Nyle | rahul: oye, bondi na bun |
| 00:17.40 | Nyle | rahul: banda ban ja |
| 00:17.42 | rahul | hahaha |
| 00:17.55 | Nyle | :D |
| 00:18.18 | Knight_Lord | wireddd: sensitivity and acceleration are 2 faces of the same coin |
| 00:18.23 | Tramp | wireddd: ah, sorry. I thought that was what you meant. |
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| 00:18.59 | jelly-home | ddalton: you could also pastebin /var/log/Xorg.0.log and /etc/X11/xorg.conf preemptively, those are usually useful when debugging problems with X. |
| 00:19.00 | ddalton | ok this is what I get from running startx from a normal terminal just as a normal user. No root or sudo... http://pastebin.ca/raw/816817 |
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| 00:19.35 | abrotman | ddalton: firstly .. it tells you how |
| 00:19.47 | abrotman | ddalton: hit ctrl-alt-f7 .. do you see anything? |
| 00:19.48 | ddalton | what? |
| 00:19.50 | ddalton | where? |
| 00:20.34 | \amethyst | ddalton: does pidof X list anything? |
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| 00:21.07 | abrotman | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:21.07 | abrotman | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:21.16 | wireddd | Knight_Lord: no they are different coins |
| 00:21.16 | ddalton | so I delete the /tmp/.X0-lock |
| 00:21.19 | ddalton | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:21.28 | abrotman | you might want to see if X is actually running first |
| 00:21.33 | jelly-home | ddalton: also, there's the suggestion that your ~/.Xauthority has bad permissions (owned by root perhaps?) |
| 00:21.38 | maddash | \amethyst: I already tried that (xrandr --dpi 100x100; xrandr --dpi 100; xrandr --dpi x100), none of which work ; xdpyinfo still returns 116x117 |
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| 00:22.03 | ddalton | ok so what should I do first?" |
| 00:22.14 | abrotman | make sure X isn't running before you try to kill it |
| 00:22.20 | jelly-home | ddalton: check for running X first |
| 00:22.29 | ddalton | killall x? |
| 00:22.43 | asBook | gdm / kdm |
| 00:22.45 | asBook | will work |
| 00:22.50 | abrotman | ddalton: just check to see if it's running |
| 00:22.55 | abrotman | asBook: only if that's how it was started |
| 00:22.57 | ddalton | how? |
| 00:23.04 | abrotman | you were already told |
| 00:23.16 | jelly-home | ddalton: does your speech thing tell you "X" is capital X? :-) |
| 00:23.27 | abrotman | speech thing? |
| 00:23.34 | abrotman | brltty ? |
| 00:23.51 | ddalton | ok what message? I can't see it |
| 00:23.54 | jelly-home | ddalton: "pidof X" will tell whether there's a running X process |
| 00:24.25 | maddash | ...is debian's xrandr bugged? |
| 00:24.26 | abrotman | it'll either spit a number out or nothing at all |
| 00:24.26 | ddalton | pidof X? |
| 00:24.31 | jelly-home | ddalton: yeah |
| 00:24.35 | abrotman | maddash: bugs.debian.org .. you should know that by now |
| 00:24.38 | ddalton | it says a number |
| 00:24.47 | ddalton | 9200 |
| 00:25.00 | jelly-home | ddalton: that means there's a process named X already running. |
| 00:25.15 | abrotman | ctrl-alt-f7 ? |
| 00:25.21 | jelly-home | ddalton: do you have gdm, kdm, xdm or something similar installed? They start X by default. |
| 00:25.32 | ddalton | gdm |
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| 00:25.35 | \amethyst | ctrl-alt-f7 doesn't help if you don't have a screen reader running on the instance of X that is there |
| 00:26.00 | jelly-home | ddalton: so there's probably gdm (and X) already running on alt-f7 |
| 00:26.04 | ddalton | ok so killall x? |
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| 00:26.11 | \amethyst | ddalton: /etc/init.d/gdm stop |
| 00:26.11 | ddalton | or /etc/init.d/gdm something? |
| 00:26.15 | maddash | has my box been hacked? sudo is asking, "[sudo] password for [username]: " instead of the usual "Password:" |
| 00:26.25 | abrotman | oh i hope so! |
| 00:26.46 | jelly-home | maddash: installed any funky pam modules lately? maybe OPIE/skey ? |
| 00:26.55 | Jyzygzel- | maddash thats the new version |
| 00:27.06 | maddash | jelly-home: no...I just `aptitude upgrade`-ed |
| 00:27.16 | ddalton | or /etc/init.d/gdm something?ok x is now not running |
| 00:27.23 | ddalton | ok now x is killed |
| 00:27.25 | jelly-home | maddash: there ya go |
| 00:27.34 | ddalton | now what? |
| 00:27.46 | jelly-home | ddalton: if you don't want it to start automatically, uninstall gdm. |
| 00:27.57 | jelly-home | ddalton: startx ought to work now |
| 00:28.01 | ddalton | then how do i use gnome? |
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| 00:28.19 | wolfgang | http://wolfgang-city.myminicity.com/ |
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| 00:29.08 | jelly-home | !ops wolfgang (n=zxczxc@abfw221.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl) repeatedly spamming |
| 00:29.08 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: jelly-home complains about: wolfgang (n=zxczxc@abfw221.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl) repeatedly spamming |
| 00:29.18 | ddalton | ok that did something. ill need to get some one sighted to read it to me |
| 00:30.14 | maddash | Jyzygzel-: , jelly-home; there's nothing in the changelogs that can confirm this... |
| 00:30.23 | abrotman | ddalton: are you fully blind? or just very impaired? |
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| 00:30.40 | jelly-home | maddash: welcome to sid! |
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| 00:30.44 | abrotman | i believe gnome has screen reader stuff builtin |
| 00:30.49 | notfundesktop | how do I build a debian source package? |
| 00:30.57 | simonrvn | yeh, it has accessibility stuff |
| 00:31.02 | notfundesktop | (sorry for this trivial question) |
| 00:31.05 | abrotman | !tell notfundesktop about source |
| 00:31.15 | notfundesktop | abrotman: ty |
| 00:31.19 | maddash | jelly-home: what sid? I'm on lenny |
| 00:31.23 | abrotman | hah |
| 00:31.24 | notfundesktop | does that bot have a search function? |
| 00:31.29 | abrotman | !tell notfundesktop about search |
| 00:31.34 | simonrvn | better than kde's from what i can tell |
| 00:31.37 | jelly-home | maddash: uh-oh. That means I have to prepare for breakage |
| 00:31.45 | abrotman | jelly-home: or not use sudo? :) |
| 00:32.04 | jelly-home | abrotman: sudo uses common-auth afaik |
| 00:32.18 | ddalton | once I kill x should I be able to type firefox and open the firefox web browser? |
| 00:32.20 | maddash | jelly-home: "breakage"? how? |
| 00:32.26 | Dark_Apostrophe | How does apt decide which packages are auto-removable? |
| 00:32.36 | abrotman | jelly-home: a new sudo package entered lenny today |
| 00:32.46 | jelly-home | maddash: you just said the default prompt was changed |
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| 00:32.53 | simonrvn | ddalton: firefox needs x to run. you'll probably want w3m for console/term use |
| 00:33.07 | maddash | jelly-home: no, I'm saying that my box is probably hacked |
| 00:33.13 | abrotman | heh |
| 00:33.18 | ddalton | ok well when I type startx what screen will I get? |
| 00:33.26 | jelly-home | maddash: no, you said sudo's prompt had changed. |
| 00:33.28 | ddalton | I can't read the screen and im trying to start speech. |
| 00:33.32 | simonrvn | ddalton: startx runs x =) |
| 00:33.39 | abrotman | jelly-home: my sudo is doing the same |
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| 00:34.09 | jelly-home | abrotman: that would be why I'm not interpreting the issue as "probably hacked" :-) |
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| 00:34.13 | abrotman | jelly-home: duh |
| 00:34.20 | ddalton | ok when x opens what screen do you get if your using gnome? |
| 00:34.28 | simonrvn | ddalton: to get startx to start gnome, you'll probably want something like this in ~/.xsession: |
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| 00:34.47 | abrotman | ddalton: if you've logged in .. you have a desktop .. and under the System menu, there is accessibility items that you probably want |
| 00:34.57 | abrotman | erm .. Preferences |
| 00:34.58 | simonrvn | ddalton: exec dbus-launch --exit-with-session --sh-syntax gnome-session |
| 00:35.02 | maddash | dammit, why don't they put these things in the changelog? |
| 00:35.10 | abrotman | maddash: /var/log/dpkg.log |
| 00:35.14 | simonrvn | maddash: they did... |
| 00:35.14 | abrotman | and it's just a prompt change |
| 00:35.20 | ddalton | ok and if I type orca from the run app dialog it should run orca? |
| 00:35.31 | simonrvn | ddalton: yeh |
| 00:35.34 | ddalton | can I get it to write the output of running orca to ~/orca.txt? |
| 00:35.48 | jelly-home | maddash: debian's sudo maintainer has been known to make some interesting changes |
| 00:35.53 | Dark_Apostrophe | Anyone? :) |
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| 00:36.17 | simonrvn | ddalton: probably would have to make a wrapper script to make it do that, unless it already has logging facilities (dunno if it does) |
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| 00:36.30 | mrrcp | is there a manage program for squid |
| 00:36.31 | mrrcp | > |
| 00:36.42 | simonrvn | jelly-home: keeping us on our toes =;) |
| 00:37.00 | simonrvn | mrrcp: yeh, called an editor ;) |
| 00:37.05 | ddalton | so if gnome works then the orca problem isn't related to x? |
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| 00:37.16 | mrrcp | sqmnger> |
| 00:37.16 | mrrcp | ? |
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| 00:37.32 | maddash | simonrvn: where on http://packages.debian.org/changelogs/pool/main/s/sudo/sudo_1.6.9p6-1/changelog ? |
| 00:38.01 | maddash | abrotman: no, not there. |
| 00:38.04 | abrotman | maddash: wrong change log |
| 00:38.10 | abrotman | http://packages.debian.org/changelogs/pool/main/s/sudo/sudo_1.6.9p9-1/changelog |
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| 00:38.20 | simonrvn | sudo (1.6.9p9-1) unstable; urgency=low |
| 00:38.35 | jelly-home | !info sudo lenny |
| 00:38.41 | simonrvn | debian/rules: configure a more informative default password prompt to reduce confusion when using sudo to invoke commands which also ask for passwords, closes: #343268 |
| 00:38.45 | dpkg | sudo: (Provide limited super user privileges to specific users), section admin, is optional. Version: 1.6.9p9-1 (lenny), Packaged size: 166 kB, Installed size: 408 kB |
| 00:38.51 | abrotman | !prize me |
| 00:38.53 | maddash | abrotman: the one i gave is the one linked from http://packages.debian.org/lenny/sudo which is the only relevant page |
| 00:38.55 | abrotman | WOOHOO! |
| 00:39.00 | abrotman | ALL MINE ... BACK OFF |
| 00:39.01 | mrrcp | anyone know how to block a site in squid |
| 00:39.01 | mrrcp | ?> |
| 00:39.14 | abrotman | maddash: they're out of date somteimtes .. dpkg -l sudo .. get the version you actually have |
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| 00:39.21 | jelly-home | mrrcp: tried reading the documentation? |
| 00:39.31 | abrotman | !inout |
| 00:39.31 | dpkg | To see which packages are going in/out of testing today: http://bjorn.haxx.se/debian/accepted.html To see why a package is not in testing "/msg dpkg why is <foo> not in testing" For packages coming into unstable use http://incoming.debian.org/ |
| 00:39.44 | simonrvn | mrrcp: we're not the squid documentation wiki |
| 00:40.06 | Tramp | mrrcp: from memory, you have to define an acl and then use it. It's all very well documented |
| 00:40.09 | DustyBin | mrrcp: what do you think this is? squid fm? |
| 00:40.09 | maddash | :) I can finally `cat /proc/acpi/bat/BAT0/state` |
| 00:40.20 | abrotman | concentrate! |
| 00:40.45 | DustyBin | does anybody fancy sniffing my packets? |
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| 00:41.12 | ddalton | ok and if I remove gdm will I get a normal console log in? and how do I start gnome? startx? |
| 00:41.25 | dvs | ddalton: yes and yes |
| 00:41.38 | ddalton | ok thanks. |
| 00:42.05 | jelly-home | ddalton: or you could just use ctrl-alt-f1 and ctrl-alt-f7 to switch between console and X |
| 00:42.17 | dvs | jelly-home: too easy! |
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| 00:43.17 | simonrvn | !happy customer |
| 00:43.17 | dpkg | (Another happy customer leaves the building. Should be a law against them...) |
| 00:43.24 | simonrvn | o_O |
| 00:43.29 | SamuraiDio | how can i use mplayer codecs (downloaded from mplayer website) on Totem and other players? |
| 00:43.31 | abrotman | !factinfo happy customer |
| 00:43.31 | dpkg | happy customer -- last modified at Mon Aug 6 13:35:07 2007 by themill!n=stuart@phoenix.chm.bris.ac.uk; it has been requested 6 times, last by simonrvn, 13s ago. |
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| 00:43.56 | jelly-home | whoever add that "Should be a law" ...? |
| 00:44.06 | jelly-home | !win abrotman |
| 00:44.06 | dpkg | Congratulations, abrotman! You have won a one way ticket to Charlotte, North Carolina ... YeeHaw!! |
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| 00:44.20 | abrotman | @happy customer |
| 00:44.24 | abrotman | ravenbird: hi |
| 00:44.25 | ravenbird | Many greetings, abrotman, most strange traveller, to this IRCdom of plenty. |
| 00:44.34 | jelly-home | &happy customer |
| 00:44.36 | abrotman | !customer |
| 00:44.36 | dpkg | Another happy customer leaves the building |
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| 00:44.41 | jelly-home | ah |
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| 00:44.48 | simonrvn | ah ok |
| 00:44.58 | jelly-home | abrotman: I use that nonironically at times |
| 00:45.09 | simonrvn | @customer |
| 00:45.09 | ravenbird | another happy customer leaves the building |
| 00:45.15 | abrotman | lies! |
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| 00:45.37 | jelly-home | Any customers left? So many seem to be leaving... |
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| 00:45.51 | karmatronic | maddash ? back to debian ? |
| 00:45.56 | robboplus_ | how can i convert a unix timestamp into actual date and vice versa? |
| 00:45.57 | SamuraiDio | please, can i use mplayer codecs n other players? this is very important, i need thumbnails :| |
| 00:46.19 | abrotman | robboplus_: man date ? |
| 00:46.29 | robboplus_ | abrotman argh i hate date's man.. |
| 00:46.33 | abrotman | SamuraiDio: which codecs? the w32codecs work in xine |
| 00:46.40 | abrotman | robboplus_: i'll cry for you tonight |
| 00:46.47 | robboplus_ | many thanks! |
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| 00:48.02 | robboplus_ | abrotman i found a better solution ;) |
| 00:48.04 | jeffwheeler | What's the name of the default GNOME network monitor? I was playing with the network interfaces and ifupdown and removed it from the default session, but I'd like to revert now and don't know the program to add back to the startup programs list. |
| 00:48.13 | robboplus_ | abrotman: http://www.epochconverter.com/ ;) |
| 00:48.22 | jelly-home | robboplus_: perl -e 'print scalar localtime(1197667890)' |
| 00:48.37 | abrotman | jeffwheeler: the one in the panel ? |
| 00:48.43 | jeffwheeler | abrotman: yeah |
| 00:48.54 | abrotman | right click .. add to panel .. probably the network monitor |
| 00:48.56 | jeffwheeler | abrotman: it's listed in the Startup Programs list, by default |
| 00:49.08 | jeffwheeler | abrotman: that's the problem; I closed it and can't figure out how to launch it again |
| 00:49.16 | abrotman | the panel ? |
| 00:49.21 | jeffwheeler | exactly |
| 00:50.08 | abrotman | run gnome-panel from the terminal ? |
| 00:50.47 | simonrvn | robboplus_: epoch-secs() { date -d "1970-01-01 $1 sec UTC" +'%Y-%m-%d %T %z' } |
| 00:51.09 | abrotman | MOO |
| 00:51.14 | dvs | beef! |
| 00:51.22 | simonrvn | epoch-days () { date -d "1970-01-01 $1 days UTC" +'%Y-%m-%d %T %z' } |
| 00:51.23 | dondelelcaro | it's actually easier nowadays, to just go date -d "@$1" |
| 00:51.27 | simonrvn | enjoy |
| 00:51.41 | dvs | I'll be retired in 2038 |
| 00:51.45 | simonrvn | nice |
| 00:51.47 | jeffwheeler | abrotman: No, I mean: I've got gnome-panel running fine. Just the app that sat in the panel, the little Network Monitor thing, is no longer there. It was some icon that sat in the tray and I removed it from Startup Programs, stupidly. |
| 00:51.50 | robboplus_ | jelly-home thank you - very nice too :) |
| 00:52.06 | abrotman | jeffwheeler: right click .. add to panel .. network monitor |
| 00:52.06 | dondelelcaro | (though the @epoch isn't supported by older versions of date) |
| 00:52.09 | simonrvn | TMTOWTDI |
| 00:52.11 | robboplus_ | simonrvn thank you too alot - adding that to my notes |
| 00:52.19 | jelly-home | robboplus_: and date -d '2007-12-13 00:00:00 UTC' +%s for the other way. If you're into perl, Time::ParseDate is nice |
| 00:52.38 | robboplus_ | yes, i love perl.. just never played with that yet before |
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| 00:54.18 | jelly-home | eg. perl -MTime::ParseDate -e 'print scalar localtime parsedate("1 month ago")'; |
| 00:54.31 | jeffwheeler | Hmm, that may work also, but it's different than what was there before. The original icon was an app that was started through Session Startup and sat in the "Notificiation Area" tray. I apologize for being ambiguous ... I think I may as well just boot up into an Ubuntu live CD and see what is the default for Session Startup. |
| 00:55.08 | jelly-home | robboplus_: parsedate() can figure out a good number of formats |
| 00:55.22 | maddash | oh...my...god...http://www.emmaalvarez.com/2007/12/top-best-50-ubuntu-opensource.html |
| 00:55.32 | maddash | she's so hot! |
| 00:55.39 | Nyle | You have no Friends. |
| 00:55.46 | jelly-home | Emma and Al Warez? |
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| 00:56.36 | ddalton | hey can someone see if they can run orca? |
| 00:57.19 | Nyle | she looks hot |
| 00:57.25 | Nyle | mostly because of her hair and what she is wearing |
| 00:57.38 | Nyle | concerning wether she is beautiful, I don't think so |
| 00:57.48 | Nyle | but yeh, you can look hot, you dont' have to be beautiful to do that |
| 00:58.52 | maddash | and you know that because you're either a) a girl, b) a womanizer, or c) a "No-lifer" who spends hours googling candid pics of actresses. |
| 00:59.00 | maddash | so there. :P |
| 00:59.05 | jelly-home | ddalton: which debian release? which version of gnome-orca package? |
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| 01:00.11 | robboplus_ | jelly-home i will spend a few hours on that when my next perl session is on :) |
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| 01:00.13 | ddalton | well any orca. But I think you can only get it in leny. But I am using eche and modified my sources.list to get it... |
| 01:00.19 | jelly-home | maddash: d) a man with a casual experience of looking at females |
| 01:00.38 | ddalton | and any gnome should do. maybe the latest one in eche... |
| 01:00.46 | maddash | jelly-home: that's assumed in (b) and (c) |
| 01:01.10 | maddash | omg, and she knows gpicview too! bye bye, gqview! |
| 01:01.10 | Nyle | well I'm just saying |
| 01:01.21 | jelly-home | maddash: I can look but not lust, dunno about you |
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| 01:01.31 | Nyle | I look all the time |
| 01:01.39 | Nyle | hell, I look in front of my girl |
| 01:01.43 | Nyle | she don't care |
| 01:01.43 | jelly-home | anyway, gliv is da shit |
| 01:02.16 | maddash | opengl --- smart. |
| 01:02.37 | Nyle | you can look, so long as you don't touch |
| 01:02.52 | maddash | then you be perv |
| 01:03.00 | Nyle | not really |
| 01:03.11 | Nyle | admiring beautiful women that pass you by isn't pervy |
| 01:03.17 | karmatronic | ddalton: i m installing it in lenny right now |
| 01:03.26 | maddash | :O no audacity in her "audio tools" list |
| 01:03.28 | ddalton | ok thanks. |
| 01:03.37 | Nyle | yeh audacity kicks ass |
| 01:03.39 | ddalton | would I be able to update to leny? |
| 01:03.41 | karmatronic | maddash: nor ardour :( |
| 01:03.44 | Nyle | I record all my music in debian linux |
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| 01:03.49 | jelly-home | ddalton: well, orca wants to install/upgrade all sorts of dependencies, so if you've installed orca from lenny on a previously etch machine, all sorts of stuff could be broken |
| 01:03.54 | Nyle | pretty decent sound quality too |
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| 01:04.01 | simonrvn | Nyle: she is hot |
| 01:04.07 | Nyle | simonrvn: I don't disagree |
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| 01:04.36 | ddalton | oh ok. |
| 01:04.36 | Nyle | simonrvn: yeh I mean I'd do her, but not by choice |
| 01:04.40 | jelly-home | totally unappealing for me (yes I dig girls in general) |
| 01:04.51 | tripp | hey there. i just asked myself if there is any possibility to send an simple command to my rootserver, through an webinterface? like "/home/start" |
| 01:04.52 | Nyle | jelly-home: yeh I can't disagree with you either |
| 01:04.57 | ddalton | so how could I get leny and fix it all? |
| 01:05.05 | jelly-home | !etch->lennt |
| 01:05.07 | jelly-home | !etch->lenny |
| 01:05.07 | dpkg | First, see <apt-listbugs>. Next, edit sources.list (# editor /etc/apt/sources.list), change all non-local mentions of 'etch' or 'stable' to 'lenny'. Save the file, then update and dist-upgrade. Also consider subscribing to debian-devel-announce (ask me about <d-d-a>) to be aware of what developments are happening. NOTE: you should be running a 2.6 kernel before trying to upgrade |
| 01:05.14 | simonrvn | ddalton: /msg dpkg etch->lenny |
| 01:05.35 | karmatronic | tripp: ? |
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| 01:05.59 | maddash | karmatronic: no ardour for lenny. |
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| 01:06.26 | SamuraiDio | abrotman, the w32codecs are only for x86, i have an am64, so i downloaded the essential codecs from mplayer website, but they work only with mplayer (i placed'em under /usr/lib/codecs) |
| 01:06.34 | tripp | karmatronic thing is... it would be awesome if i could login from anywhere to my rootserver with and internetbrowser and send him commands. |
| 01:06.39 | Nyle | eh |
| 01:06.41 | abrotman | SamuraiDio: iirc .. that's not whwere they go |
| 01:06.54 | karmatronic | maddash: yeah had to compile it |
| 01:06.55 | abrotman | /usr/lib/win32/ .. at least on i386 |
| 01:06.57 | SamuraiDio | work for mplayer |
| 01:07.02 | Nyle | her face is too wide and she has it looks like fat arms and just her chocie of dress isn't cool either |
| 01:07.19 | Nyle | little beady eyes and her chin is wierd |
| 01:07.26 | ddalton | whats the dist command? |
| 01:07.26 | karmatronic | tripp: check ajaxterm |
| 01:07.30 | Nyle | I'm sorry, i didn't wanna go into de tails but i agree with jelly-home |
| 01:07.37 | jelly-home | abrotman: /usr/lib/codecs for marillat's build (and newish upstream, I think; maybe s,/usr,/usr/local,) |
| 01:07.48 | abrotman | oh well . whatever |
| 01:07.52 | maddash | I'll be in my bunk. |
| 01:08.15 | abrotman | ddalton: the what? |
| 01:08.20 | simonrvn | hehe |
| 01:08.38 | Nyle | maybe its because my woman is so hot I can't look past her |
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| 01:08.49 | SamuraiDio | abrotman, synlinking dont work (exepc, maybe, if i ldconfig) |
| 01:08.54 | jeffwheeler | abrotman: hey, I figured it out; it's nm-applet. Thanks for your help. |
| 01:09.08 | abrotman | oh .. that one? |
| 01:09.14 | jelly-home | Nyle: I just don't like the conceited look. Maybe I'm imagining things. |
| 01:09.18 | simonrvn | we have our own tastes. ;) |
| 01:09.34 | abrotman | SamuraiDio: you might have to ask #xine etc |
| 01:09.34 | jeffwheeler | abrotman: I never could find it because I tried tab completions with "net" ... |
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| 01:09.44 | abrotman | jeffwheeler: ah ok |
| 01:09.44 | SamuraiDio | abrotman, ok |
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| 01:09.50 | jelly-home | ddalton: "aptitude dist-upgrade" ? |
| 01:10.03 | Nyle | or maybe of course |
| 01:10.10 | Nyle | jelly-home: ahh yes, thats exactly it |
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| 01:10.28 | Nyle | jelly-home: thats like, a glamor shot not a perofessional computer nerd image |
| 01:10.41 | Nyle | its like look at me, im a semi attractive linux using woman |
| 01:10.43 | Nyle | im so special |
| 01:10.44 | Nyle | i dunno |
| 01:10.47 | Nyle | whatever |
| 01:10.52 | simonrvn | Nyle: have you been to montreal in the summer? |
| 01:10.57 | Nyle | nope |
| 01:11.07 | Nyle | been to canada once when i was 12 to tonornto and kichner |
| 01:11.24 | simonrvn | you should. your jaw would drop all day long |
| 01:11.35 | Nyle | well |
| 01:11.45 | Nyle | lsu campus is jaw dropping all year round |
| 01:11.48 | jelly-home | simonrvn: beautiful women, eh? |
| 01:11.51 | Nyle | love those country girls |
| 01:12.07 | Nyle | lsu has the finest women per capita than any other campus in the nation |
| 01:12.10 | Nyle | I would have to say |
| 01:12.24 | maddash | wtf? if she thinks that geany (>4M) is lightweight, I don't know what she thinks is heavy |
| 01:12.34 | maddash | i don't want to know* |
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| 01:12.57 | Nyle | eitherway, we all have different tastes |
| 01:12.57 | abrotman | why do you even care? stop reading it |
| 01:13.04 | simonrvn | jelly-home: yes, and most are smart, and friendly. women here are very much the strong type, it's a french canadian cultural thing |
| 01:13.17 | Nyle | simonrvn: I like my women the best |
| 01:13.22 | maddash | abrotman: you're right. let me email her and get it over with. |
| 01:13.36 | abrotman | dipshit |
| 01:13.44 | Nyle | don't talk back much, are respectful, know their place, submissive, permission seeker, and homekeeper |
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| 01:14.06 | Nyle | at least my woman is, and then I'm not like a typical paki guy so it works out great |
| 01:14.08 | karmatronic | Nyle: respectful? |
| 01:14.33 | Nyle | yeh im not like my dad and dont' order my mom around so i don't order my girl around |
| 01:14.42 | simonrvn | you'd get slapped if you tried that here |
| 01:14.43 | tripp | woman-based discussion on an linux-channel. let me just get an screenshot.... |
| 01:14.44 | Nyle | she got comlete freedom and shes never let me down |
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| 01:14.47 | Nyle | lol |
| 01:14.50 | Nyle | tripp: hehe |
| 01:14.58 | jelly-home | ddalton: have you read /usr/share/doc/gnome-orca/README.Debian? says you have to run "orca --setup" |
| 01:15.25 | Nyle | oh man hey check this out |
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| 01:15.58 | deb_user | can anybody give me a clue as to where I can download an iso image of debian sarge? |
| 01:16.05 | Nyle | my naturalization is going through, got my papers in recently |
| 01:16.09 | deb_user | all i seem able to find is etch |
| 01:16.13 | simonrvn | \o/ |
| 01:16.13 | eth01 | !sarge |
| 01:16.13 | dpkg | [sarge] Ten-HUT! Fall in! Sarge is the code name for the previous stable Debian release, version 3.1, released on June 6th, 2005. ISO repository still exists: http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/archive/3.1_r6a/i386/iso-cd/ |
| 01:16.14 | Nyle | hopefully soon i'll be able to do stuff |
| 01:16.18 | simonrvn | Nyle: ^^^ |
| 01:16.19 | ddalton | how do I check if im on lenny or eche now? |
| 01:16.21 | Nyle | hehe |
| 01:16.22 | Nyle | i saw |
| 01:16.32 | deb_user | thanks! |
| 01:16.32 | Nyle | \o/ |
| 01:16.34 | Nyle | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:16.35 | eth01 | ... cat /etc/debian_version |
| 01:16.42 | simonrvn | / \ |
| 01:16.45 | Nyle | heh |
| 01:16.59 | simonrvn | afk |
| 01:17.03 | Nyle | same |
| 01:17.12 | eth01 | same |
| 01:17.13 | eth01 | lol |
| 01:17.21 | ddalton | I get 4.0 |
| 01:17.26 | SamuraiDio | !ping |
| 01:17.26 | dpkg | pong |
| 01:17.27 | eth01 | sarge |
| 01:17.35 | eth01 | i think |
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| 01:17.42 | jelly-home | ddalton: also, "dpkg -l libc6|tail -1" |
| 01:17.44 | eth01 | no, its etch |
| 01:17.46 | ddalton | how do I do dist-upgrade? |
| 01:17.50 | ddalton | apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 01:17.50 | ddalton | ? |
| 01:17.59 | Nyle | 1 |
| 01:18.01 | catsup_ | ddalton: apt-get update, then apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 01:18.16 | catsup_ | (you might want to use aptitude instead of apt-get) |
| 01:18.38 | solemnwarning | How much longer will sarge be supported for? |
| 01:18.55 | Ronin | solemnwarning: a year or less i seem to recall |
| 01:19.08 | solemnwarning | Not ending anytime soon then? |
| 01:19.13 | abrotman | roughly a year after etch's release |
| 01:19.17 | abrotman | so .. about five more months |
| 01:19.28 | solemnwarning | Hmm |
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| 01:19.37 | solemnwarning | How well would etch run on an embedded 486? |
| 01:19.44 | abrotman | try it and let us know |
| 01:19.49 | TurboBee2 | http://pastebin.com/m3ccace61 can anyone tell me why i can't set my wep key? |
| 01:19.49 | ddalton | I still get 4.0 in debian_version. should I reboot? |
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| 01:19.53 | solemnwarning | sarge runs slowly |
| 01:20.06 | DustyBin | why does debian display 'debian' on ports like postfix 25 and ssh 22 |
| 01:20.09 | DustyBin | SSH-2.0-OpenSSH_4.3p2 Debian-9 |
| 01:20.09 | tripp | with which windowmanager? |
| 01:20.15 | DustyBin | thats not what i call security.... |
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| 01:20.39 | karmatronic | DustyBin: yes it sucks |
| 01:20.40 | solemnwarning | Uh oh! They know your distro! |
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| 01:20.49 | catsup_ | DustyBin: obscurity is not security |
| 01:20.51 | karmatronic | DustyBin: you can easily fix it for postfix though |
| 01:21.04 | catsup_ | DustyBin: when attackers see that you are using debian, they will decide not to waste their time! |
| 01:21.05 | karmatronic | DustyBin: for ssh you ll need to recompile |
| 01:21.13 | solemnwarning | free -m shows the machine has 17MiB of memory |
| 01:21.30 | Nyle | !mib |
| 01:21.30 | dpkg | it has been said that mib is MibiBytes, the new politically correct way of saying "megabytes", with emphasis on the 1048576-byte-ness (2^20, not 10^6). Also "Management Information Base" (SNMP), or Men in Black. |
| 01:21.42 | DustyBin | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:21.48 | Nyle | dpkg mib is also Men in Black |
| 01:21.49 | dpkg | okay, Nyle |
| 01:21.52 | abrotman | DustyBin: it's not worth your time to remove it |
| 01:21.57 | DustyBin | nope |
| 01:22.01 | abrotman | DustyBin: they don't actually care which version .. they'll try anyways |
| 01:22.08 | DustyBin | i thought the guys at debian would of known better |
| 01:22.11 | DustyBin | the bloody sods |
| 01:22.16 | solemnwarning | Is etch a lot more CPU intensive then sarge? |
| 01:22.22 | catsup_ | DustyBin: obscurity is not security! |
| 01:22.26 | karmatronic | DustyBin: for postfix smtpd_banner =$myhostname in main.cf will do the trick |
| 01:22.27 | DustyBin | yes it is |
| 01:22.33 | catsup_ | oh :) |
| 01:22.35 | Nyle | wait |
| 01:22.36 | DustyBin | karmatronic: aye done that |
| 01:22.44 | Nyle | no what the hell |
| 01:23.18 | jelly-home | DustyBin: move it to some other port instead, that will give you more security |
| 01:23.19 | abrotman | DustyBin: there's nothing wrong with showing that |
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| 01:24.17 | Nyle | dpkg stupid bot |
| 01:24.17 | dpkg | no, stupid nyle |
| 01:24.19 | catsup_ | nothing that feels so right could be wrong |
| 01:24.24 | Nyle | hah, burned by the bot |
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| 01:24.44 | catsup_ | dpkg is a jerk |
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| 01:25.00 | catsup_ | dpkg: ya, haven't got anything to say to that have ya? |
| 01:25.01 | DustyBin | jelly-home: i have moved it to another port |
| 01:25.18 | DustyBin | i think fail2ban is the best security tool ive installed so far |
| 01:25.22 | karmatronic | do dvd devices that dont include lightscribe label not compatible with lightscribe ? |
| 01:25.33 | karmatronic | s/do/are |
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| 01:25.40 | abrotman | karmatronic: likely eh? |
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| 01:26.08 | DustyBin | are there any special tools what would help one monitor logs ? |
| 01:26.14 | solemnwarning | DustyBin: A tool which blocks IPs with a bunch of failed passwords? :P |
| 01:26.17 | solemnwarning | How useful |
| 01:26.18 | catsup_ | DustyBin: about 329483920 |
| 01:26.22 | jelly-home | DustyBin: logcheck? |
| 01:26.30 | solemnwarning | xconsole |
| 01:26.36 | solemnwarning | xconsole and syslog-ng |
| 01:26.37 | jelly-home | tail? |
| 01:26.41 | DustyBin | solemnwarning: that stops bots brute forcing your services, thats good isnt it? |
| 01:26.42 | catsup_ | grep |
| 01:26.52 | jelly-home | splunk ;-) |
| 01:26.52 | solemnwarning | DustyBin: Brute forces happen, big deal |
| 01:27.00 | DustyBin | so why not stop it? |
| 01:27.01 | Ronin | DustyBin: not really, it just clears some noise |
| 01:27.07 | solemnwarning | I don't have users named "admin" or "joe" with "password" so I don't care :P |
| 01:27.17 | catsup_ | omg |
| 01:27.23 | catsup_ | solemnwarning: how did you know my login?? |
| 01:27.28 | jelly-home | DustyBin: limit ssh access to your own network and local ISPs |
| 01:27.37 | solemnwarning | catsup_: My xconsole must get logs from your sshd! |
| 01:27.48 | jelly-home | solemnwarning: but your anna user might have password anna1 ;-) |
| 01:27.51 | catsup_ | oh ok, i was worried for a sec |
| 01:27.51 | DustyBin | i want to try out snort, but i dont want to install it on my server inside the LAN, i want it right where my router is so it sniffs data come in straight from the internet |
| 01:28.07 | karmatronic | DustyBin: nagios is famous here |
| 01:28.10 | solemnwarning | DustyBin: So install it on the router :P |
| 01:28.11 | catsup_ | DustyBin: you don't need snort for that |
| 01:28.25 | DustyBin | never heard of nagios |
| 01:28.49 | DustyBin | solemnwarning: first im going to build a pfsense firewall box, and install the snort package onto it |
| 01:29.01 | catsup_ | if you have a firewall, you certainly don't need snort |
| 01:29.09 | solemnwarning | I'm guessing pfsense is somthing like smoothwall? |
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| 01:29.10 | DustyBin | then make my netgear router go into bridge mode >> pfsense firewall >> LAN |
| 01:29.15 | jelly-home | DustyBin: nagios is a monitoring tool. Previously called netsaint |
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| 01:29.21 | DustyBin | aye ok |
| 01:29.30 | DustyBin | solemnwarning: pfsense is freebsd firewall |
| 01:29.31 | Ronin | DustyBin: you been reading grc.com by any chance? |
| 01:29.32 | catsup_ | snort is for listening on an ethernet in promiscuous mode; i.e., listening for multiple computers on one network |
| 01:29.37 | jelly-home | Ronin: heh. |
| 01:29.38 | DustyBin | Ronin: no |
| 01:29.51 | catsup_ | if you have a firewall, then all packets go through the firewall, and they can be examined on the firewall directly, no promiscuous BS |
| 01:30.29 | solemnwarning | catsup_: How would you NOT have a firewall? Compile the kernel without netfilter? |
| 01:30.41 | catsup_ | oh, you're using the microsoft definition of 'firewall' |
| 01:31.04 | Ronin | solemnwarning: im technically not running a firewall on my debian boxs |
| 01:31.11 | catsup_ | by firewall i mean a machine that sits in between two networks and filters packets |
| 01:31.15 | solemnwarning | catsup_: Firewall as in somthing that filters and/or routes packets :P |
| 01:31.20 | solemnwarning | Ah |
| 01:31.33 | catsup_ | solemnwarning: that's not what firewall used to mean |
| 01:31.39 | karmatronic | catsup_: well actually windows definition of firewall is even worse |
| 01:31.43 | jelly-home | a firewall appliance vs. a local firewall |
| 01:31.45 | DustyBin | im going to setup iptables firewalls for all the boxes on my LAN and im also going to build a little embedded pfsense red firewall box |
| 01:31.58 | karmatronic | catsup_: as they consider it at application layer ... |
| 01:32.07 | Ronin | DustyBin: why 2 firewalls? you like making life diffucult? |
| 01:32.21 | catsup_ | my network has *five* firewalls |
| 01:32.24 | DustyBin | check out this beauty |
| 01:32.26 | catsup_ | it's *totally* secure |
| 01:32.26 | DustyBin | http://www.pcengines.ch/alix2c3.htm |
| 01:32.28 | jelly-home | Ronin: border firewall is a good idea. |
| 01:32.49 | Ronin | jelly-home: but one on each box which are behind a firewall all ready? |
| 01:32.57 | jelly-home | Ronin: that too. |
| 01:32.58 | maddash | noooo my internet... |
| 01:33.07 | catsup_ | solemnwarning: i *really* don't like the way you're using that word. for the record. |
| 01:33.25 | solemnwarning | catsup_: Ok, fine |
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| 01:33.34 | Ronin | jelly-home: then why bother with the border one, all you're doing i swear is making things more complicated |
| 01:33.42 | jelly-home | Ronin: and "on each box" is not "border" |
| 01:33.47 | |rat| | Hi |
| 01:33.53 | solemnwarning | s/firewall/packet filtering code running in kernel space before the user space code gets/sends the packets to/from the hardware/g |
| 01:34.05 | solemnwarning | Better? |
| 01:34.07 | Ronin | jelly-home: but they pfsense one would be considered a border one correct? |
| 01:34.08 | catsup_ | solemnwarning: for example, it is inconsistent with usage of the word 'firewall' within the iptables man page |
| 01:34.09 | DustyBin | freebsd = packet filter linux=net filter |
| 01:34.13 | Ronin | in DustyBins case |
| 01:34.13 | jelly-home | Ronin: right |
| 01:34.36 | Ronin | jelly-home: so if you have a border one which i agree is good why have one on "each box on my lan" |
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| 01:36.04 | DustyBin | Ronin: incase someone cracks the wireless |
| 01:36.08 | jelly-home | Ronin: to keep them from infecting each other. To detect suspicious activity at the source point, and delegatie the cleanup to the box admin, skipping the networking people completely |
| 01:36.13 | DustyBin | thats if your wireless is not running in a dmz |
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| 01:36.45 | jelly-home | Ronin: blah blah security blah many layers nag ;-) |
| 01:36.53 | ferguscan | What's the accepted way of compiling kernel-module source packages like cdfs-src, when you haven't rolled your own kernel? |
| 01:37.04 | catsup_ | all wireless should be open access always |
| 01:37.06 | DustyBin | i bet there are lots of big companies out there what have spent thousands on expensive firewalls what are let down by the use of insecure wireless on the same network |
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| 01:37.18 | catsup_ | it is criminal to encrypt wireless traffic |
| 01:37.24 | ferguscan | catsup_, why? |
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| 01:37.43 | jelly-home | because catsup_ is short sighted |
| 01:38.00 | CutMeOwnThroat | ferguscan: module-assistant? (m-a) |
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| 01:38.14 | DustyBin | solemnwarning: DMZ! |
| 01:38.16 | solemnwarning | I've just got a wifi AP plugged into one of my switches atm |
| 01:38.17 | catsup_ | because wireless networks interfere with each other. by running an encrypted wireless network in one area, you prevent (or at least interfere with) anyone running an open network in that area. |
| 01:38.27 | fundesktop | how can I reset the list of packages that are removed by apt-get autoremove? |
| 01:38.30 | solemnwarning | DustyBin: I don't want to make my LAN inaccessible though |
| 01:38.30 | Ronin | DustyBin: thats a different problem then, then a good firewall |
| 01:38.49 | solemnwarning | Some kind of network ethernet/ip auth thingy like ISPs use would be good |
| 01:38.57 | catsup_ | i just made that BS up, but seriously, don't lock people out of your network--if everyone kept their networks open that would be awesome |
| 01:38.59 | DustyBin | aye my pfsense firewall supports running wireless in a DMZ |
| 01:39.00 | |rat| | How can i "unzip" files .ace? |
| 01:39.01 | jelly-home | catsup_: that interference is not related to encryption settings at all |
| 01:39.10 | CutMeOwnThroat | fundesktop: I think reinstall aptitude, IIRC |
| 01:39.21 | fundesktop | CutMeOwnThroat: lol... reinstall it?? |
| 01:39.23 | catsup_ | jelly-home: the fact that it's interference rather than access is |
| 01:39.42 | Ronin | personally i still think running firewalls behind firewalls is making life far to complicated, make your first firewall properlly etc. *burp* |
| 01:39.46 | jelly-home | catsup_: thank you for playing. Please come back with some real arguments |
| 01:39.50 | CutMeOwnThroat | fundesktop: apt-get ... --reinstall ... but I might not remember correctly - only needed to do it once ever |
| 01:39.52 | karmatronic | |rat|: unace |
| 01:39.59 | catsup_ | jelly-home: seriously-- |
| 01:40.15 | solemnwarning | Wifi interference from other APs comes from multiple networks running on the same radio channel |
| 01:40.18 | DustyBin | Ronin: so how do you stop somone cracking your wireless and access your LAN |
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| 01:40.28 | fundesktop | CutMeOwnThroat: I mean it has to keep the list of packages somewhere, so you could simply delete that list... |
| 01:40.42 | catsup_ | solemnwarning: they don't have to be on the *same* channel, only nearby |
| 01:41.04 | karmatronic | DustyBin: well it has nothing to do with running firewalls on your hosts .... |
| 01:41.07 | abrotman | fundesktop: anything in /var/lib/apt/ ? |
| 01:41.14 | solemnwarning | catsup_: In that case TV signals, FM/AM radio, CB radio, mobile phones, electric motors and just about everything will do it |
| 01:41.18 | catsup_ | any area supports a finite number of APs. The more of those APs are used for worthless inaccessible encrypted networks, the fewer can be used for free access |
| 01:41.22 | catsup_ | solemnwarning: no, they won't |
| 01:41.42 | solemnwarning | catsup_: There are at least 11 channels available to use for APs |
| 01:41.44 | catsup_ | solemnwarning: there are 11 channels, and most of them interfere with each other |
| 01:41.48 | fundesktop | abrotman: maybe, but what/how/where? |
| 01:41.52 | jelly-home | catsup_: this implies one wants a free wifi in that area |
| 01:42.01 | abrotman | i told you where |
| 01:42.12 | karmatronic | DustyBin: preventing wifi cracking is about using avpn somewhere |
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| 01:42.27 | fundesktop | abrotman: now what? should I delete extended_states, or will that rape my system to death? |
| 01:42.28 | DustyBin | aye i already mentioned tha |
| 01:42.34 | jelly-home | catsup_: in any case, this is not an encryption (layer 2-3) issue, but a physical layer issue. |
| 01:42.39 | |rat| | karmatronic: but if i have a problem with this format (version), i must choose unace non-free? |
| 01:42.55 | solemnwarning | Come to think of it |
| 01:43.03 | abrotman | fundesktop: that sounds bad .. maybe edit it ? |
| 01:43.09 | DustyBin | wireless in a DMZ, and inside the DMZ you can access your LAN via VPN |
| 01:43.10 | catsup_ | well let me be clear; i'm not talking about encrypted traffic, such as running ssh or a vpn over your open wireless-- |
| 01:43.15 | karmatronic | |rat|: possibly.wont hurt :) |
| 01:43.16 | solemnwarning | Can I configure a wifi AP to only allow packets to machines on my LAN if the user has authenticated somehow? |
| 01:43.17 | catsup_ | i mean locking other people out |
| 01:43.25 | catsup_ | with wpa, etc |
| 01:43.47 | fundesktop | abrotman: oh well, it's a big list of packages automremove wants to remove (I installed "kde", but then removed it again to get rid of the htdig dependency... but I want to keep the rest of kde) |
| 01:43.55 | jelly-home | catsup_: what would other people do with an AP that only routes to our VPN concentrator? |
| 01:43.59 | fundesktop | *autoremove |
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| 01:44.11 | catsup_ | jelly-home: if it *only* routes to the vpn, then it's not open |
| 01:44.11 | abrotman | !install kde |
| 01:44.11 | dpkg | The metapackage 'kde' installs tons of stuff (almost the full KDE), 'kde-core' only the core. To install KDE instead of GNOME during Debian installation if you're not installing from the KDE CD, supply "tasks=standard, kde-desktop" at d-i's boot prompt. For more details, see http://wiki.debian.org/KdeDebInstall |
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| 01:44.17 | |rat| | karmatronic: i will install non-free... Synaptic say: Unlike the unace package which can only extract ACE 1.0 archives, the |
| 01:44.17 | |rat| | unace-nonfree package allows to unpack all current ACE archives. |
| 01:44.32 | karmatronic | solemnwarning: with some radius server in the middl |
| 01:44.32 | |rat| | sorry for Copy&Paste |
| 01:44.37 | jelly-home | catsup_: indeed. that's why it's encrypted too. |
| 01:44.42 | catsup_ | pfft |
| 01:44.49 | karmatronic | |rat|: np ratatouille |
| 01:45.09 | vampirefrog | hi. I'm trying to install java for iceweasel. what packages should I install? I seem to have installed java in /opt/java and azureus works fine, but iceweasel says it's missing the plugin |
| 01:45.14 | Caino | n8@* |
| 01:45.14 | catsup_ | nyc would have total coverage wireless internet if it weren't for people like you |
| 01:45.24 | jelly-home | catsup_: tanstaafl |
| 01:45.36 | catsup_ | nonsense |
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| 01:46.08 | catsup_ | infinitely reduplicable information invalidates all the old conservation laws |
| 01:46.16 | catsup_ | adding users to the network *increases* the value of the network |
| 01:46.20 | CutMeOwnThroat | !tell vampirefrog about java plugin |
| 01:46.35 | lavamind | Hello, when modifying /etc/pam_ldap.conf, do any services need to be restarted to take in account the new settings ? |
| 01:46.42 | abrotman | vampirefrog: which version of debian? |
| 01:46.47 | lavamind | or maybe the system needs to restart ? |
| 01:46.49 | vampirefrog | lenny |
| 01:46.57 | jelly-home | catsup_: ever heard of Sturgeon's Law? It applies to users, too. |
| 01:47.04 | |rat| | Bye... |
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| 01:47.24 | osmosis | http://dpaste.com/28110/ /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error |
| 01:47.35 | jelly-home | catsup_: in any case, this is not a Debian issue. I won't be arguing this issue here any more |
| 01:47.36 | catsup_ | jelly-home: all that says is that you've got to add 9 crap users for every 1 good one |
| 01:48.08 | abrotman | vampirefrog: and arch ? |
| 01:48.18 | vampirefrog | i386 |
| 01:48.32 | abrotman | vampirefrog: apt-cache search java plugin .. install the one you want |
| 01:48.39 | osmosis | dpkg.log just says 2007-12-14 17:43:59 status half-configured munin-node 1.2.5-1 |
| 01:48.52 | vampirefrog | i'm installing sun-java6-plugin now |
| 01:48.57 | vampirefrog | I'll see how it works |
| 01:49.02 | vampirefrog | azureus will work too, right? |
| 01:49.11 | catsup_ | is that free now? |
| 01:49.15 | vampirefrog | sun-java6-bin provides the java executable? |
| 01:49.22 | vampirefrog | azureus? |
| 01:51.01 | vampirefrog | aw, it doesn't provide the java executable |
| 01:51.19 | vampirefrog | which package does that? should I make a symlink? |
| 01:51.57 | abrotman | vampirefrog: install the plugin .. be done with it |
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| 01:52.12 | vampirefrog | yes, the plugin seems to work |
| 01:52.15 | vampirefrog | but azureus doesn't |
| 01:52.21 | vampirefrog | it says it can't find the java executable |
| 01:52.30 | jelly-home | vampirefrog: sun-java6-bin does provide /usr/bin/java ... if you update-alternatives --config java and choose it |
| 01:52.31 | vampirefrog | actually it justs says java: command not found |
| 01:52.48 | vampirefrog | i'm not familiar with update-alternatives |
| 01:53.12 | jelly-home | vampirefrog: just run the command, as root |
| 01:53.27 | CutMeOwnThroat | hm |
| 01:53.43 | CutMeOwnThroat | how does that determine which one is the preferred alternative if more than one is possible? |
| 01:53.54 | vampirefrog | i did |
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| 01:54.05 | vampirefrog | i chose /usr/lib/jvm/java-6-sun/jre/bin/java |
| 01:54.07 | CutMeOwnThroat | keeps current? |
| 01:54.10 | vampirefrog | but it still doesn't work |
| 01:54.16 | vampirefrog | typing 'java', that is |
| 01:54.21 | vampirefrog | in my path there is |
| 01:54.29 | vampirefrog | java_vm and javaws |
| 01:55.05 | vampirefrog | jelly-home: anything else I should do? |
| 01:55.13 | jelly-home | vampirefrog: which debian release? Do you have java-common installed? sun-java6-jre? |
| 01:55.22 | vampirefrog | lenny, and let me check |
| 01:55.25 | catsup_ | vampirefrog: did you restart your shell or rehash your path? |
| 01:55.38 | catsup_ | (is /usr/bin/java there?) |
| 01:55.40 | vampirefrog | catsup_: no, how do I do that |
| 01:55.49 | catsup_ | in bash, type rehash |
| 01:55.51 | vampirefrog | no /usr/bin/java |
| 01:55.56 | vampirefrog | heh |
| 01:55.59 | vampirefrog | rehash: command not found |
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| 01:56.05 | catsup_ | oh, it's not rehash, hm. |
| 01:56.11 | catsup_ | oh well, wouldn't have worked anyway |
| 01:56.23 | catsup_ | oh, it's just 'hash' btw |
| 01:56.34 | vampirefrog | jelly-home: yes, both are installed |
| 01:57.06 | osmosis | how can I get more info on this? |
| 01:57.08 | osmosis | # dpkg-reconfigure munin-node |
| 01:57.08 | osmosis | /usr/sbin/dpkg-reconfigure: munin-node is broken or not fully installed |
| 01:57.48 | jelly-home | CutMeOwnThroat: man update-alternatives? packages register the alternatives together with a priority value. if an alt. is handled automatically, the highest priority value one is used |
| 01:58.23 | vampirefrog | ? |
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| 01:58.59 | jelly-home | vampirefrog: interesting. pastebin dpkg -l libc6 dpkg sun-java6-bin |
| 01:59.03 | vampirefrog | hey |
| 01:59.15 | vampirefrog | i just ran update-alternatives --auto java |
| 01:59.19 | vampirefrog | and java is now magically there |
| 01:59.42 | catsup_ | :) |
| 01:59.44 | vampirefrog | # java -version |
| 01:59.44 | vampirefrog | java version "1.6.0" |
| 01:59.44 | vampirefrog | Java(TM) SE Runtime Environment (build 1.6.0-b105) |
| 01:59.44 | vampirefrog | Java HotSpot(TM) Client VM (build 1.6.0-b105, mixed mode, sharing) |
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| 01:59.46 | jelly-home | vampirefrog: yeah, the alternatives handling for /usr/bin/java is somewhat broken |
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| 01:59.50 | vampirefrog | :D |
| 02:00.02 | vampirefrog | i guess everything is fine |
| 02:00.37 | CutMeOwnThroat | he goes, he comes back |
| 02:00.39 | vampirefrog | http://rafb.net/p/YTJkRd68.html |
| 02:00.47 | vampirefrog | i'm here, i'm there, i'm everywhere |
| 02:01.18 | CutMeOwnThroat | one moment alone at home, the other together with 737 other guys in #debian |
| 02:01.20 | catsup_ | a vampire frog never sleeps |
| 02:01.39 | solemnwarning | What VPN server software would be best for a VPN that can be connected to by Linux and windows clients? |
| 02:01.44 | CutMeOwnThroat | although most of them seem to take a nap right now :) |
| 02:01.47 | abrotman | openvpn |
| 02:01.53 | solemnwarning | abrotman: thanks |
| 02:02.11 | vampirefrog | brb |
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| 02:03.03 | DustyBin | solemnwarning: somone told me this is easy to get working with winblowz: http://www.poptop.org/ |
| 02:03.24 | catsup_ | if you call that working |
| 02:03.32 | DustyBin | lol |
| 02:03.53 | DustyBin | pptp-linux - Point-to-Point Tunneling Protocol (PPTP) Client |
| 02:03.53 | DustyBin | pptpd - PoPToP Point to Point Tunneling Server |
| 02:03.55 | maddash | how can I get the true DPI value of my LCD w/o breaking out a ruler? |
| 02:04.01 | DustyBin | i tnink those are the packages for it |
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| 02:04.47 | abrotman | maddash: google |
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| 02:05.10 | maddash | abrotman: elaborate |
| 02:05.22 | abrotman | search with google? |
| 02:05.31 | vampirefrog | back |
| 02:05.50 | vampirefrog | doin' toad? |
| 02:05.53 | vampirefrog | :D |
| 02:05.54 | Nyle | yeh |
| 02:05.54 | catsup_ | groovy |
| 02:06.25 | Nyle | lick tha toad |
| 02:06.25 | vampirefrog | suck my sweat |
| 02:06.25 | fundesktop | just like there's the "how to ask questions"-FAQ, there should be a "how to answer questions"-FAQ |
| 02:06.50 | catsup_ | how cna there be a how to ask questions faq? nobody ever asks questions about how to ask questions |
| 02:07.16 | TrueDD | Good night all |
| 02:08.30 | abrotman | fundesktop: why.. that'd never work! |
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| 02:10.47 | zicho | can someone give me the nvidia one-liner, or whatever it's called? |
| 02:11.38 | ice63 | zicho: jest /msg aptitude |
| 02:12.06 | zicho | hm? |
| 02:12.45 | maddash | brb, folks |
| 02:13.37 | peter_ | hm... ;/ Opera just stops |
| 02:13.54 | zicho | Why dont you use firefox? |
| 02:14.03 | peter_ | firefox lags my etch |
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| 02:14.20 | zicho | what about swiftfox then? |
| 02:14.30 | peter_ | never heard |
| 02:14.32 | solemnwarning | firefox would bloat a supercomputer |
| 02:14.58 | zicho | works fine for me, though. |
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| 02:16.53 | Orion_X11 | a |
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| 02:18.23 | peter_ | I was always wondering... how much unstable is package unstable |
| 02:19.05 | abrotman | it breaks .. sometimes badly |
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| 02:20.02 | \amethyst | peter_: for a while this/last month there wasn't an installable libc6 candidate :) |
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| 02:20.24 | maddash | what does "noddc" mean? |
| 02:20.30 | fundesktop | for me, unstable was pretty stable |
| 02:20.57 | fundesktop | maybe in unstable, bugs are even fixed faster than in testing? |
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| 02:21.04 | peter_ | \amethyst, well... I dont understand but agree with people who knows much about linux then me ;) |
| 02:21.18 | bzed | fundesktop: at least 10 days before they're fixed in testing |
| 02:21.35 | bzed | sometimes faster, though |
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| 02:21.57 | peter_ | zicho unfortunatly swwiftfox lags too |
| 02:21.57 | Wyzard | but on the other hand, unstable gets bugs that never make it to testing in the first place |
| 02:22.22 | ddalton | ok im trying to update to lenny... Could someone check my sources.list file? if I pastebin it? |
| 02:22.25 | zicho | peter_: Well, if opera doesnt work either, you have a problem... |
| 02:22.26 | d__dope32 | is there any way i could get free debian cds? without shipping and such as they do for ubuntu? |
| 02:22.29 | abrotman | ddalton: sure |
| 02:22.33 | ddalton | then could you tell me what commands to run if its all correct? |
| 02:22.38 | abrotman | ddalton: sure |
| 02:22.41 | zicho | there arent many good web browsers, imo |
| 02:22.44 | ddalton | it doesn't seem to be working. I still have debian 4.0 |
| 02:22.58 | peter_ | zicho, hm... the problem is that when I launch swiftfox iceweasel sneeks and launch |
| 02:23.22 | ddalton | abrotman: thanks. I'll pastebin it now |
| 02:23.45 | zicho | peter_: you mean that it launches iceweasel instead? or both? |
| 02:23.57 | peter_ | zicho, instead |
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| 02:24.09 | zicho | thats strange... |
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| 02:24.33 | zicho | gotta go. |
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| 02:24.37 | karsten | What do you need in order to build RPM from sources on Debian (cross-compile situation). |
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| 02:26.02 | abrotman | karsten: you don't want to know! |
| 02:26.38 | ddalton | ok could someone please take a look at my sources.list file? http://pastebin.ca/raw/816918 |
| 02:26.59 | abrotman | ddalton: your sources are fine |
| 02:27.07 | peter_ | karsten well... today I tried something like alien --rpm-to blablabla.deb |
| 02:27.11 | abrotman | ddalton: aptitude update && aptitude dist-upgrade |
| 02:28.16 | peter_ | abrotman, I know that debian is using iceweasel insted of firefox. But I also heard that it is possible to install firefox |
| 02:28.20 | peter_ | is it true? |
| 02:28.36 | vjt | peter_, iceweasel *is* firefox |
| 02:28.41 | abrotman | peter_: sure .. using the mozilla.com installer .. but no one here will help you with it |
| 02:28.46 | vjt | peter_, it's just re-branded |
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| 02:29.01 | abrotman | peter_: and really .. IW and FF are basically the same |
| 02:29.04 | abrotman | jelly-home: sleep damn you! |
| 02:29.39 | peter_ | vjt abrotman yes, I know that IW and FF are the same... but I was wondering if there are problems with launching FF under debian |
| 02:29.49 | abrotman | dunno .. i wouldn't do it |
| 02:29.55 | abrotman | i don't really care for IW or FF |
| 02:30.05 | peter_ | abrotman, you are using opera? |
| 02:30.06 | ddalton | ok done. I did aptitude upgrade by mistake then aptitude update. Then I did aptitude dist-upgrade |
| 02:30.09 | ddalton | is that right? |
| 02:30.12 | abrotman | peter_: opera and epiphany |
| 02:30.26 | abrotman | ddalton: did it upgrade lots of pacakges ? |
| 02:30.28 | abrotman | packages |
| 02:30.31 | peter_ | abrotman, epiphany isnt on mozilla engine? |
| 02:30.36 | abrotman | sure it is |
| 02:30.41 | jelly-home | abrotman: I'll sleep, but the machine won't |
| 02:30.52 | abrotman | jelly-home: sure .. blame the hardware |
| 02:30.52 | ddalton | um aptitude update I think but aptitude dist-upgrade didn't do much... |
| 02:31.06 | abrotman | ddalton: it should ... |
| 02:31.16 | abrotman | ddalton: dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1 .. what does it say? |
| 02:31.29 | peter_ | ok good night |
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| 02:31.32 | ddalton | oh what should I try? |
| 02:31.49 | ddalton | should cat /etc/debian_version say 4.0? |
| 02:32.51 | abrotman | ddalton: dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1 .. what does it say? |
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| 02:34.16 | ddalton | it says: |
| 02:34.16 | chowmeined | So I am trying to install debian testing on my ultrasparc but when I boot from the cdrom and press enter, it starts loading the initrd then quits and dumps me out at openboot with "Illegal Instruction" |
| 02:34.17 | ddalton | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:34.23 | abrotman | blank? |
| 02:34.23 | ddalton | no. that failed |
| 02:34.26 | abrotman | hehe |
| 02:35.11 | ddalton | I get ii libc6 2.7-3 GNU C Library: Shared libraries |
| 02:35.23 | ddalton | is that correct? |
| 02:35.51 | abrotman | that's etch |
| 02:35.53 | abrotman | erm |
| 02:35.56 | abrotman | ddalton: that's lenny |
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| 02:37.06 | ddalton | ok i don't need to reboot or restart anything? or even switch terminals? |
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| 02:38.06 | Krisiun | Hello, when trying to get suspend working on my desktop pc. In bios i can choose from S1, S3 or auto. Which should i use? |
| 02:38.31 | ddalton | any ideas? if my sources.list is ok? should I use us for the minute for the update? |
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| 02:41.00 | chowmeined | interesting, if i boot to solaris and then reboot without cutting power and boot from the debian installer cd it quits with 'illegal instruction' but if i cut the power and wait a bit .. then boot from the cdrom , it works.. solaris must've left the processor in a strange state |
| 02:41.16 | ddalton | should I change all the words "lenny" to "testing"? |
| 02:42.04 | ddalton | oh I have lenny? |
| 02:42.13 | ddalton | I thought you said etche? |
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| 02:43.24 | abrotman | ddalton: yes |
| 02:43.28 | abrotman | wait |
| 02:43.32 | abrotman | ddalton: no .. leave them as lenny |
| 02:43.35 | abrotman | ddalton: you might ahve to reboot |
| 02:43.46 | ddalton | abrotman: ok |
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| 02:44.24 | abrotman | i didn't mean now ... he forgot to check for brltty support i bet |
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| 02:45.15 | roler | What is a good apache log analyzer bundled with debian? |
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| 02:47.07 | ddalton | ok. so what should I do now? |
| 02:47.17 | ddalton | I rebooted |
| 02:47.36 | naiv | brotman> i didn't mean now ... he forgot to check for brltty support i bet |
| 02:47.49 | ddalton | what? |
| 02:47.56 | ddalton | about brltty? |
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| 02:47.59 | abrotman | ddalton: look at /etc/debian_version |
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| 02:48.08 | abrotman | !tell coondogster about root |
| 02:48.20 | naiv | :D |
| 02:48.52 | ddalton | should I just cat it? |
| 02:49.11 | ddalton | and I built brltty from source so thats all fine |
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| 02:50.58 | abrotman | okay |
| 02:51.02 | abrotman | ddalton: yes .. just cat it |
| 02:51.13 | abrotman | ddalton: why did you dist-upgrade again ? |
| 02:51.19 | ddalton | ok this is what I get |
| 02:51.28 | ddalton | 4.0 |
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| 02:51.56 | abrotman | ddalton: dpkg -l base-files | tail -1 |
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| 02:52.44 | ddalton | ii base-files 4 Debian base system miscellaneous files |
| 02:52.45 | abrotman | coondogster: better |
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| 02:52.54 | abrotman | ddalton: did you run a dist-upgrade ? |
| 02:52.59 | ddalton | by default my screenreader reads that as roman numeral 2... |
| 02:53.20 | abrotman | ddalton: what happens if you `aptitude install base-files` ? does it try to upgrade it ? |
| 02:53.30 | coondogster | has anyone got nvidia to work with sid? |
| 02:53.58 | abrotman | !nvidia_post_etch |
| 02:53.59 | dpkg | hmm... nvidia_post_etch is update-pciids && apt-get install module-assistant nvidia-kernel-source && m-a prepare && m-a a-i nvidia && apt-get install nvidia-glx && depmod -a && modprobe nvidia && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg |
| 02:54.17 | coondogster | will that work for sid? |
| 02:54.21 | ddalton | yes I get |
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| 02:54.29 | ddalton | lists... Done |
| 02:54.29 | ddalton | Building dependency tree... Done |
| 02:54.29 | ddalton | Reading extended state information |
| 02:54.29 | ddalton | Initializing package states... Done |
| 02:54.29 | ddalton | Reading task descriptions... Done |
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| 02:54.54 | coondogster | if I try apt-get install nvidia-glx it wants to remove xorg |
| 02:55.01 | ddalton | ok |
| 02:55.37 | ddalton | ok did anyone see that? |
| 02:55.55 | abrotman | !paste |
| 02:55.55 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 3 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://channels.debian.net/paste/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. |
| 02:56.06 | ddalton | ok |
| 02:56.32 | ddalton | should I pastebin it or do you have it? |
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| 02:56.50 | abrotman | ddalton: please pastebin |
| 02:56.59 | ddalton | ok |
| 02:58.57 | ddalton | ok its http://pastebin.ca/raw/816953 |
| 03:00.03 | abrotman | uhm .. okay |
| 03:00.09 | abrotman | ddalton: /j #flood please |
| 03:00.12 | coondogster | is there something wrong with sid and kernel headers |
| 03:00.22 | abrotman | it is sid |
| 03:00.47 | coondogster | are there no kernel headers for sid? |
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| 03:01.12 | abrotman | i'm sure there are .. which kernel do you have? |
| 03:01.39 | coondogster | 2.6.22-3-686 |
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| 03:04.04 | maddash | how do I give default parameters to startx? |
| 03:05.18 | shaleh | /etc/X11/xinit I believe |
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| 03:05.52 | shaleh | it insists my music albums are data |
| 03:06.21 | shaleh | looking at an strace I see |
| 03:06.22 | shaleh | ioctl(4, SG_SET_RESERVED_SIZE, 0x7fabdc7c) = -1 EINVAL (Invalid argument) |
| 03:06.28 | maddash | shaleh: thanks! |
| 03:06.30 | shaleh | ioctl(4, SG_GET_SG_TABLESIZE, 0x7fabdc78) = -1 ENOSYS (Function not implemented) |
| 03:06.35 | nutsnutz1 | I'm trying to boot a remote box into a new kernel only once just to test but its not working, can anyone help? |
| 03:06.37 | shaleh | which looks suspicious |
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| 03:06.54 | shaleh | nutsnutz1: is the box coming up at all? |
| 03:06.58 | maddash | brb |
| 03:07.06 | nutsnutz1 | shaleh: yeah boots back into the old kernel |
| 03:07.16 | shaleh | nutsnutz1: ok, what boot loader? |
| 03:07.20 | nutsnutz1 | grub |
| 03:07.23 | shaleh | good |
| 03:07.32 | shaleh | what is the default kernel? |
| 03:07.44 | nutsnutz1 | 2.6.20.1 |
| 03:08.10 | nutsnutz1 | want to see my grub.conf? |
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| 03:08.41 | shaleh | nutsnutz1: sure |
| 03:08.54 | abrotman | coondogster: your kernel is out of date .. that's why |
| 03:09.01 | stromberg | Hi, Ive always edited my sources.list manually and googled to get the right mirrors. Is there any established "real" way to change mirrors and release? |
| 03:09.25 | nutsnutz1 | http://pastebin.ca/816962 |
| 03:09.26 | shaleh | stromberg: I always use the round robin http.us.debian.org |
| 03:09.28 | abrotman | debian.org/mirrors/list |
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| 03:09.35 | nutsnutz1 | shaleh: you get that? |
| 03:09.45 | shaleh | nutsnutz1: getting it now |
| 03:09.48 | stromberg | ok. How do you change release? |
| 03:09.54 | shaleh | nutsnutz1: which kernel do you want to boot? |
| 03:09.58 | abrotman | stromberg: man 5 sources.list |
| 03:10.02 | nutsnutz1 | boxiejamz |
| 03:10.07 | nutsnutz1 | bottom one |
| 03:10.42 | nutsnutz1 | im using this in grub: savedefault --default=1 --once |
| 03:10.47 | nutsnutz1 | then rebooting |
| 03:10.49 | nutsnutz1 | doesnt work |
| 03:10.58 | shaleh | nutsnutz1: k. The issue is at the top you have 'default 0'. That means boot the first kernel listed. Change it to 1 and all should be well. |
| 03:11.24 | nutsnutz1 | if the kernel panics though..... |
| 03:11.32 | shaleh | nutsnutz1: you are pretty much hosed |
| 03:11.38 | nutsnutz1 | thats why i just want it to boot the second kernel once |
| 03:11.42 | shaleh | nutsnutz1: nothing yoy can do about it |
| 03:11.56 | stromberg | Example: I want to install tor, but thats in the unstable, I currently use stable. Is there any automagic way to change? |
| 03:12.16 | shaleh | nutsnutz1: perhaps the default in the file is conflicting with the command line options? |
| 03:12.29 | stromberg | I figured there should be a way if I dont want to edit sources.list manually |
| 03:12.49 | nutsnutz1 | shaleh: so what do you suggest |
| 03:12.59 | abrotman | coondogster: in the channel please |
| 03:13.03 | shaleh | nutsnutz1: let me research, give me a few minutes |
| 03:13.11 | ddalton | abrotman, it needs to get 286 mb of stuff for apt-get upgrade actuallymake that aptitude upgrade. sound right? so do I say yes? |
| 03:13.16 | coondogster | can I upgrade my kernel? |
| 03:13.16 | abrotman | coondogster: what's your CPU |
| 03:13.18 | abrotman | ddalton: yep |
| 03:13.24 | ddalton | actually |
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| 03:13.44 | coondogster | celeron |
| 03:13.45 | Random832 | what controls font substitution? |
| 03:13.52 | coondogster | Intel Celeron |
| 03:13.55 | abrotman | coondogster: aptitude install linux-image-2.6-686 |
| 03:13.57 | ddalton | ok and then its aptitude dist-upgrade? |
| 03:14.04 | abrotman | ddalton: you should do that now |
| 03:14.06 | Random832 | *specific set of codepoints |
| 03:14.13 | Random832 | how do i do that, on the default setup? |
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| 03:14.28 | ddalton | ok its running aptitude get upgrade now though |
| 03:14.38 | ddalton | so what do I do now? |
| 03:15.06 | coondogster | linux-image-2.6-686 is already the newest version. |
| 03:15.39 | coondogster | that came from apt-get install linux-image-2.6-686 |
| 03:15.51 | abrotman | ddalton: just hit ctrl-c |
| 03:15.59 | abrotman | coondogster: aptitude update |
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| 03:16.15 | abrotman | ddalton: hit ctrl-c .. and then type `aptitude update && aptitude dist-upgrade` |
| 03:16.57 | coondogster | still linux-image-2.6-686 is already the newest version. |
| 03:17.12 | ddalton | so can I leave it to do its stuff? I just answered two questions. |
| 03:17.51 | ddalton | what should /etc/debian_version say after this? |
| 03:18.05 | abrotman | testing/unstable |
| 03:18.19 | abrotman | coondogster: you can just apt-cache search linux-image-2.6.23 and get the one you want |
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| 03:18.42 | ddalton | ok so its ok to leave. it won't ask me anymore questions? |
| 03:18.48 | abrotman | ddalton: it will ... |
| 03:18.58 | abrotman | ddalton: but you might be able to answer them |
| 03:19.01 | shaleh | nutsnutz1: try changing the 'default 0' to 'default saved' |
| 03:19.21 | shaleh | nutsnutz1: also, look at the grub docs for 'fallback'. Sounds like a good idea for you. |
| 03:19.35 | briansk1 | anyone know if there is a way to disable loading the cdrom driver on the cmd line? my cdrom is quite dead and it's freezing and confusing linux (and grub, but i can live with grub timing out after 30 seconds)... linux doesn't boot at all... |
| 03:19.43 | ddalton | ok well it looks like its downloading... so ill come back in 15 minutes and see how its going. its only on 12% |
| 03:19.50 | abrotman | !tell briansk1 about blacklist |
| 03:19.57 | abrotman | ddalton: ok |
| 03:20.19 | briansk1 | abrotman: you assume i can boot to the machine at all even in rescue mode to make such a change :-. |
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| 03:20.44 | abrotman | briansk1: unplug it? |
| 03:20.58 | Omni|Working | Anyone know where I can get nvidia-kernel-source version 100.14.09? I can't find the older versions anywhere. |
| 03:21.05 | abrotman | !sdn |
| 03:21.05 | dpkg | methinks sdn is go to http://snapshot.debian.net to get older packages. Almost every single package since somewhere in 2002 is here. year 2004 is largely lost because of harddisk problems. |
| 03:21.09 | briansk1 | abrotman: yeah, it's an old annoyingly built laptop with no clear access |
| 03:21.13 | coondogster | abrotman:thanks |
| 03:21.17 | briansk1 | this thing is more trouble than it's worth. /me curses toshiba |
| 03:21.19 | briansk1 | thanks tho |
| 03:21.20 | abrotman | briansk1: disable in bios ? |
| 03:21.35 | briansk1 | abrotman: AH! that's the beauty part! there is no bios! it's a "winbios"!!! |
| 03:21.44 | nutsnutz1 | shaleh: alright thanks |
| 03:21.45 | abrotman | briansk1: where's your floppy bios!? :) |
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| 03:22.02 | abrotman | briansk1: you might be able to ask #kernel how to disable from the command line bootloader |
| 03:22.15 | briansk1 | hmmm thanks |
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| 03:24.54 | Omni|Working | abrotman, thanks. |
| 03:25.01 | abrotman | !elive |
| 03:25.02 | dpkg | elive is a livecd (installable) project based on Debian with additional packages for E17. It is not Debian. Supported in #elive (FN, irc.freenode.net). |
| 03:25.14 | abrotman | Omni|Working: enjoy! |
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| 03:26.50 | maddash | sweeet I fixed my xrandr dpi settings |
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| 03:28.04 | maddash | er, can someone post a screenshot of monospace 10? |
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| 03:30.32 | abrotman | did the hackers replace your fonts too? |
| 03:30.51 | Malf | Those bastards... It's all comic sans ms now! |
| 03:31.18 | maddash | no, I just need to see if I've got my DPI correct |
| 03:31.41 | Malf | That's what rulers are for! |
| 03:31.47 | Malf | I feel like a bot |
| 03:31.50 | Malf | .. I'll go now |
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| 03:40.07 | Rodietze | hey yall |
| 03:40.07 | ddalton | ok im back and its now installing... |
| 03:40.09 | Rodietze | ok |
| 03:40.56 | Caelum | how do I make exim tell me if it' |
| 03:40.57 | Rodietze | dudes, 2 doubts, I always used Debian, but this time I have a huge trouble,,, I installed Debian and it complained about Suspend partition not being set |
| 03:41.06 | Caelum | if it is trying to auth to my smarthost |
| 03:41.17 | Rodietze | so as I could read I should create a partition twice the size of my RAM memory ok? |
| 03:41.29 | abrotman | ddalton: anything explode yet? |
| 03:41.39 | abrotman | Rodietze: how much RAM? and purpose of machine? |
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| 03:41.57 | Rodietze | abrotman machine for development... |
| 03:42.01 | Rodietze | 2gb ram |
| 03:42.30 | ddalton | now should I be running any securety software on my system? like anty virus or a firewall? |
| 03:43.12 | Rodietze | abrotman so should I have a 4gb suspend partition? |
| 03:43.28 | abrotman | do you have 2GB swap also ? |
| 03:43.33 | Rodietze | no swap |
| 03:43.42 | Rodietze | no need for that since I have loads of ram |
| 03:43.44 | abrotman | i'd think 2GB would be enough .. but i don't use suspend ? |
| 03:43.58 | Rodietze | oh sorry that's coz I'm on a laptop |
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| 03:44.12 | abrotman | so am i :) |
| 03:44.14 | Rodietze | so I can close the lid and that would suspend the state to a partition |
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| 03:44.39 | Rodietze | abrotman like a "sleep" |
| 03:44.51 | abrotman | i knwo what it is |
| 03:44.59 | Rodietze | ok nevermind that is something I can learn... but... the worst is |
| 03:45.08 | robboplus | hm what exactly does this mean in netstat? Recv-Q Send-Q |
| 03:45.16 | Rodietze | my debian just refuses to startX! |
| 03:45.21 | abrotman | error? |
| 03:45.27 | robboplus | a number of packets waiting to be sent or something? |
| 03:45.31 | Rodietze | No device detected "no screen found" |
| 03:45.39 | abrotman | Rodietze: install xorg |
| 03:45.42 | Rodietze | but.. i tried all combinatioins |
| 03:45.46 | Rodietze | eyah I have Xorg |
| 03:45.56 | Rodietze | and tried dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg |
| 03:45.59 | abrotman | no .. the package xorg |
| 03:46.11 | abrotman | eh .. what's the name of the site where you can paste any file? |
| 03:46.23 | BlueToothz | !debhelper how to ssh in linux |
| 03:46.46 | abrotman | BlueToothz: ssh hostname |
| 03:46.57 | Rodietze | abrotman but there is just another problem.... if i type apt-cdrom add |
| 03:47.08 | BlueToothz | abrotman, ty |
| 03:47.11 | ddalton | abrotman: what securety software should I run on my system? a firewall? what do you you have running? |
| 03:47.12 | noseguy | Rodietze, that is cus it cant find display:0 |
| 03:47.19 | Rodietze | and put the cd there it just pretends there is no cd there! and keep up prompting for a CD ... |
| 03:47.52 | Rodietze | abrotman oh ok, uff I thought it woudln't recognize my nvidia |
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| 03:48.13 | abrotman | ddalton: that's up to you |
| 03:48.25 | Rodietze | I will install nvidia drivers later but I need the cdrom working in order to get xorg |
| 03:48.34 | ddalton | what do you have running? do I need it? |
| 03:48.37 | BlueToothz | abchirk, ssh <username> <ip> correct? |
| 03:48.58 | abrotman | ssh ip |
| 03:49.06 | abrotman | ddalton: depends on the machine use |
| 03:49.09 | BlueToothz | erm, sorry abrotman , i meant you :) |
| 03:49.11 | Rodietze | and the curious.. i've isntalled it thru that cdrom... it works perfectly... why is that happening? I always used Debian and it always worked |
| 03:49.22 | BlueToothz | abrotman, i did, and it said <localname>@<host> |
| 03:49.27 | BlueToothz | i have a different username |
| 03:49.27 | ddalton | debian lenny prbably |
| 03:49.31 | abrotman | BlueToothz: abchirk will now proceed to kill you |
| 03:49.33 | abrotman | have a nice day |
| 03:49.34 | ddalton | probably |
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| 03:49.56 | user_ | hello |
| 03:49.57 | jelly-home | BlueToothz: "localname" means "local" on the remote host. |
| 03:49.58 | abrotman | ddalton: i meant if it were a server or workstation |
| 03:50.02 | Rodietze | :\ |
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| 03:50.30 | ddalton | oh just a home computer. so work station? |
| 03:50.46 | Rodietze | ok so that silence means "yeah Debian won't work on that kind of laptop" ? |
| 03:50.51 | enouf | ddalton: tell them about your -10 for testing in your /etc/apt/preferences |
| 03:51.06 | ddalton | what is it for enouf? |
| 03:51.09 | Travis | Hi I just put a hard drive in my server from my older server, the data on it is in a format called LVM2 MEMBER, because my old server was LVM, I just need to get the data off it for my new server? how do I go about this? |
| 03:51.19 | abrotman | enouf: that's gone |
| 03:51.21 | enouf | ddalton: obviously nothing at this point |
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| 03:51.27 | abrotman | enouf: he did a dist-upgrade |
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| 03:51.42 | jelly-home | Rodietze: it usually means noone present has anything useful to add |
| 03:51.44 | ddalton | enouf, ok. I don't even know what it is... |
| 03:51.49 | enouf | abrotman: that will override perferences settings? hrm |
| 03:51.54 | abrotman | enouf: no .. i had him remove them |
| 03:51.58 | abrotman | he wanted the dist-upgrade |
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| 03:52.46 | Rodietze | jelly-home man can't believe it.. Debian was the best ditro ever... what is goin' wrong? |
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| 03:53.18 | Rodietze | and I'm not a starter I had tried lots of procedures but this time Debian just doesn't work |
| 03:53.28 | ddalton | enouf, once I have lenny working correctly i guess I should work on orca. But one question. What firewall do I need if i even need one at all? |
| 03:53.46 | ddalton | that wasn't worded well |
| 03:53.52 | enouf | ok, good - last night he was all Etch, and just wanted one package not available in Etch (gnome-orca), and there was no backport made for it, so i had him do pinning and install it. |
| 03:54.17 | enouf | but i guess he never told you guys that up front |
| 03:54.32 | jelly-home | enouf: orca doesn't really work even on an older testing |
| 03:54.34 | abrotman | enouf: i figured it out ;) |
| 03:54.44 | enouf | !prize abrotman |
| 03:54.51 | abrotman | yay! |
| 03:54.56 | abrotman | at least i didn't get a marital aid |
| 03:55.00 | enouf | jelly-home: i have no idea how well or not it works |
| 03:55.00 | jelly-home | enouf: what with gnome upgrades, python upgrades, etc |
| 03:55.08 | enouf | i see - makes sense |
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| 03:55.24 | DrDetroit | any non-debian users here ? |
| 03:55.35 | abrotman | this is #debian |
| 03:55.37 | jelly-home | enouf: if you don't even try to see how it works, why offer help with installing? |
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| 03:55.48 | abrotman | wtf |
| 03:55.49 | enouf | jelly-home: why not? |
| 03:56.04 | jelly-home | enouf: because you won't be able to help? |
| 03:56.07 | enouf | must i test each piece of software someone wants help installing? |
| 03:56.11 | Caelum | is there a simpler MTA for just forwarding to a smarthost and local delivery than exim? |
| 03:56.18 | enouf | jelly-home: are you insane? |
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| 03:56.54 | jelly-home | enouf: that's entirely possible |
| 03:57.11 | ddalton | enouf, it asked me about my kernel kemap. I assumed that was because of speakup. I said don't touch keymap. is that the right desision? |
| 03:58.08 | enouf | ddalton: you tell me - you said you tested it and used it when you were running the ubuntu livecd |
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| 03:58.58 | ddalton | tell you what? I was talking about the dist-upgrade wasn't I? |
| 03:59.00 | enouf | ddalton: it's very likely though, so yes - and this is why i always tell you to read the documentation - such as the Speakup docs |
| 03:59.08 | hatter | which brand switches do you guys use ? |
| 03:59.17 | enouf | recall me saying that, oh say about 100 times now? |
| 03:59.33 | ddalton | I read the speakup docs... |
| 03:59.41 | enouf | and the Orca docs? |
| 04:00.00 | ddalton | yes. Well I got to find some first... |
| 04:00.10 | ddalton | and I need to get the thing working. |
| 04:00.19 | enouf | oh, you mean "it" wa the dist-upgrade? |
| 04:00.26 | enouf | clarify darnnit! |
| 04:00.28 | jelly-home | ddalton: start with the contents of /usr/share/doc/gnome-orca |
| 04:00.33 | ddalton | im doing the dist upgrade now yes |
| 04:00.51 | TurboBee2 | http://pastebin.com/m3ccace61 can anyone tell me why i can't set my wep key? |
| 04:00.56 | ddalton | one thing I have started reading but never got much done was the brltty manual |
| 04:01.16 | enouf | ddalton: you should've informed others (as I did so last night - just after you left) that you are running a custom .18-speakup kernel |
| 04:01.30 | abrotman | enouf: it wouldn't have upgraded it |
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| 04:01.44 | enouf | abrotman: i wouldn't have thought so either |
| 04:01.52 | ddalton | ok. Well when I get linux on my other system I want to try building my own kernel on this so I have the latest one |
| 04:02.07 | enouf | abrotman: i've been drilling into his head use the -s option with apt-get and such |
| 04:02.48 | abrotman | enouf: i missed the lecture :) |
| 04:03.07 | enouf | abrotman: heh, took place elsewhere, over many moons ;-) |
| 04:03.26 | abrotman | enouf: i only remember him because he was here for awhile when first setting up |
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| 04:06.04 | abrotman | ? |
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| 04:06.41 | ddalton | ok its the software speech thing I should be able to restart the packages. |
| 04:06.44 | enouf | sure .. originally i tried building him a .23 speakup kernel since none existed (as far as we knew) for anything lower than Sid's kernel and kernel-speakup patch - well, i tried with debians .22-5 and vanilla .23 sources - turns out the kernel-patch was horribly outdated and not maintained, so .. at that point he had found a .18-5? build through speakup's mailing list, IIRC. Anyway, fedora had a diff available for patching new vanilla kerne |
| 04:06.47 | noseguy | anyone know if there is a way to fix my screen from going snowy white when plugging in my tv? Kindof new to using aticonfig and fglrx. |
| 04:06.59 | abrotman | #ati |
| 04:07.39 | enouf | (but this is all after the fact .. so to speak) |
| 04:07.47 | abrotman | i broked it! |
| 04:09.21 | ddalton | enouf, its back. Glad you taut me how to use init.d and restart. Thanks |
| 04:09.34 | ddalton | taught |
| 04:09.41 | enouf | ddalton: we all try to help .. no problem ;-) |
| 04:09.59 | abrotman | we do? |
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| 04:10.22 | enouf | er .. lose an s :-p |
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| 04:11.00 | ddalton | and when I restart it I get some crap default settings. But I have a script I can run that is in /bin/speakup which is in my path so it is all good. |
| 04:11.17 | ddalton | otherwise I would need to echo 3 values to 3 different files in /proc/speakup |
| 04:11.39 | ddalton | a simple script that took me 5 minutes to write and 2 hours to get to work is quite useful actually |
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| 04:13.18 | Nyle | ddalton: oh you are vision impaired? |
| 04:13.33 | ddalton | yep |
| 04:13.36 | Nyle | wow |
| 04:13.38 | Nyle | thats amazing |
| 04:13.53 | Nyle | here you are doing crazy debian stuff, thats cool man |
| 04:13.58 | Nyle | word |
| 04:13.58 | Malf | ol |
| 04:13.59 | abrotman | MOO |
| 04:14.05 | ddalton | thanks |
| 04:15.32 | enouf | concerning debian's kernel-speakup patch, some sad news i found during my attempts at building http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=451232 |
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| 04:16.05 | enouf | (i had inquired a bit over on oftc.net, -kernel channel and what not) |
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| 04:16.45 | abrotman | nto good |
| 04:16.54 | robboplus | hm... can you use raw disk i/o on linux? |
| 04:16.58 | jelly-home | enouf: mhm, a lot of patch packages fail to build every now and then, someone could probably set up a simple test suite to at least try to use them against debian's linux-source-* |
| 04:17.08 | AWOSLappy | How does someone solve this error? can't load dynamic linker '/lib/ld.so' |
| 04:17.20 | dondelelcaro | it really needs someone who uses that kernel patch to maintain it |
| 04:17.51 | abrotman | or at least has the equipment to test on |
| 04:18.11 | ddalton | what are you talking about the speakup patch? |
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| 04:18.17 | jelly-home | dondelelcaro: these are often simple fails-to-build, one could file bugs automatically when this happens on a newer kernel |
| 04:18.24 | robboplus | ddalton is that speakup thing for console or X only? |
| 04:18.42 | jelly-home | Caelum: ssmtp is remote-only |
| 04:18.47 | dondelelcaro | jelly-home: yeah, but someone who actually uses it has to do that. |
| 04:18.49 | abrotman | ddalton: yes ..the maintainer orphaned it in debian |
| 04:19.05 | Caelum | jelly-home: I can't get exim4 to auth to my smarthost :( |
| 04:19.08 | ddalton | console only |
| 04:19.09 | enouf | As far as i knew when 1st starting this endevour, it enabled hardware synth speech - of which i don't have one, neither does ddalton - but i never knew that - plus it appears it does a bit more than just support hardware speech synth |
| 04:19.18 | Malf | yo |
| 04:19.19 | jelly-home | dondelelcaro: have fun finding a blind DD ;-) |
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| 04:19.24 | dondelelcaro | jelly-home: we have a couple, actually. |
| 04:19.25 | robboplus | ddalton that's just great! may i have more details on it? |
| 04:19.35 | robboplus | ..please |
| 04:19.51 | ddalton | well actually there is another package that does the software speech part. But I have an idea to make it more simple and slightly better. |
| 04:19.53 | dondelelcaro | jelly-home: and the maintainer of the package doesn't have to be a DD. If someone wants to maintain it properly, a DD will sponsor it. |
| 04:20.03 | ddalton | Not sure if Kirk would like it though |
| 04:20.19 | enouf | i have successfully applied that fedora's diff to vanilla sources and built a .23 kernel with speakup, and it boots - but that's as far as i can test it, IINM |
| 04:20.25 | robboplus | ddalton damn nic |
| 04:20.28 | robboplus | e* |
| 04:20.39 | OminousZ | do debian commands have an automatic timeout? |
| 04:20.45 | dondelelcaro | OminousZ: automatic timeout? |
| 04:20.49 | abrotman | which commands? |
| 04:20.53 | ddalton | yes well if you really wanted to you could get the software synth stuff which I use. But I guess you don't have time for that... |
| 04:21.00 | OminousZ | like... say... pi 1000000000 |
| 04:21.06 | OminousZ | (1B) |
| 04:21.17 | robboplus | ddalton of course i do - i had no idea that any package like that existed for linux |
| 04:21.21 | ddalton | enouf, you got a speakup kernel to boot and load? |
| 04:21.24 | ddalton | speakup? |
| 04:21.58 | abrotman | festival? |
| 04:22.00 | robboplus | ddalton how is the synth voice quality? would you be able to direct me to some live examples? |
| 04:22.39 | enouf | here's that diff/patch file i used ftp://ftp.SpeakupModified.Org/speakupmodified/speakup/ |
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| 04:22.53 | jelly-home | OminousZ: linux in general won't kill a process automatically, it will run forever unless you take extra steps to kill it, or the app itself has a timeout |
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| 04:23.27 | abrotman | enouf: sounds like your chance to be a DM! |
| 04:23.50 | enouf | heh .. but i suck ;-) |
| 04:23.58 | ddalton | enouf, why did you use that one? |
| 04:24.10 | jelly-home | OminousZ: there are wrappers like the "timeout" packages if you want to force killing it and don't want to whip up a script yourself |
| 04:24.16 | enouf | ddalton: that's the only updated one i know of that works with newer kernels |
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| 04:24.57 | jelly-home | abrotman: he'd have to go thru the tedious NM process, tests and stuff! |
| 04:25.19 | Caelum | WOO HOO, ssmtp actually fucking works |
| 04:25.20 | dondelelcaro | jelly-home: uh... not to become a DM. (And it's not like those processes are that tedious) |
| 04:25.23 | abrotman | jelly-home: no .. DM! it's new and unproved! |
| 04:25.24 | enouf | ddalton: i'm not sure which patch your .18-5 one from http://people.debian.org/~shane/speakup/kernel/ uses |
| 04:25.36 | ddalton | oh. I'll try them both out at some stage and let someone know. Or maybe resync it... |
| 04:25.46 | enouf | abrotman: i was just trying to really help out a bit - for this kid who came along ;-) |
| 04:25.50 | ddalton | do we do that on linux? or is that for other projects I have worked on only? |
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| 04:25.58 | abrotman | enouf: aw .. so sweet |
| 04:26.00 | ddalton | did you get hunk errors? |
| 04:26.26 | enouf | abrotman: well ... sometimes, yes ;-) |
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| 04:27.16 | jelly-home | dondelelcaro, abrotmoo: oh, I wasn't aware there was a new DM != DD position |
| 04:27.41 | enouf | i was kind of hoping to kind of teach and nudge ddalton into the role for speakupm since it's a glove fit .. just obviously, learning debian well 1st is a major priority ;-) |
| 04:28.11 | enouf | auntie abrotman? |
| 04:28.15 | dondelelcaro | yeah. the problem is that most of the Developers I know actually use braille ttys, not speakup |
| 04:28.15 | abrotman | jelly-home: vote_003 or so this year |
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| 04:28.28 | hotmailheadache | Hello, I have a 'little' problem, I have a correct mta/dns configured with spf too, all people can receive mail excepts hotmail, also the mail is 'deleted' or something since I have no mail and no delivery error, any idea why hotmail needs to 'work'? |
| 04:28.29 | dondelelcaro | since listening gets old fast |
| 04:28.31 | ddalton | yeah ill deffinetly try and help out. My idea was to move speakup to the "user space" then it would be very easy to install. Then speechd-up wouldn't be required and hardware synth wouldn't work. |
| 04:28.45 | abrotman | jelly-home: http://www.us.debian.org/vote/2007/vote_003 |
| 04:28.53 | ddalton | maybe it couldn't be speakup anymore but lagely based on it. and it wouldn't be a pain in the ass to install |
| 04:29.11 | dondelelcaro | ddalton: yeah, though having support in the kernel is useful, because you can use it at early boot |
| 04:29.24 | dondelelcaro | (perhaps some combination of the two is the right way to go) |
| 04:29.44 | dondelelcaro | userspace for ease of installation in addition to kernel support |
| 04:30.09 | enouf | indeed - in kernel is awesome for early boot processes when using a hardware speech synth |
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| 04:34.31 | fundesktop | what does it mean when top shows "9999" in a PU column? |
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| 04:36.35 | OminousZ | jelly-home, thanks |
| 04:36.45 | OminousZ | I'll have to look at the package itself then |
| 04:36.46 | enouf | btw - ddalton does have brltty - the 7.2 BNBT, iirc - http://www.pulsedata.com/Products/Notetakers/braillenote_manuals.asp |
| 04:36.52 | OminousZ | or perhaps it actually ran out of memory |
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| 04:42.15 | enouf | dondelelcaro: got a sec for a PM? |
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| 04:47.27 | ddalton | enouf, the upgrade is done and seems to be successful. But now my spell checker doesn't work in alpine... |
| 04:48.02 | enouf | ddalton: hrm - that's a mail application yes? |
| 04:48.09 | reZo | hey, i'm having problems with my microphone in debian, i can hear sound perfectly, but i can't get my microphone to work, how could i go about configuring my microphone to work? |
| 04:48.27 | enouf | reZo: tried alsamixer? |
| 04:48.34 | ddalton | yep |
| 04:48.37 | reZo | ya, mic doesn't appear in alsmixer |
| 04:48.42 | reZo | alsamixer * |
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| 04:49.02 | enouf | reZo: there's 3 separate screen view in alsamixer - have you scrolled right also? |
| 04:49.14 | reZo | really? |
| 04:49.19 | reZo | lemme check sec |
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| 04:49.26 | enouf | ddalton: i don't know where to get support for alpine |
| 04:49.41 | reZo | how do i scroll right? |
| 04:49.48 | enouf | reZo: man alsamixer ;-) but yes, right arrow ;-) |
| 04:49.54 | enouf | > |
| 04:49.57 | ddalton | ok. I can't see the message it goes away. but ill try blinux |
| 04:50.21 | ddalton | ok enouf, could you help me with orca in coders? |
| 04:50.25 | reZo | enouf: doesn't display anything else other then master / pcm |
| 04:50.33 | enouf | ddalton: i can try |
| 04:50.34 | reZo | but ya, both of those settings are up max |
| 04:50.56 | ddalton | ok thanks |
| 04:51.15 | enouf | reZo: dpkg -l \*alsa* to a pastebin - and tell me, are you using gnome or kde? |
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| 04:51.31 | reZo | fluxbox |
| 04:52.01 | enouf | i see reZo and have you tried dpkg-reconfigure linux-sound-base and selected alsa? |
| 04:52.17 | reZo | nope, |
| 04:52.20 | reZo | i'll pastebin this first |
| 04:52.24 | enouf | sure |
| 04:52.25 | reZo | take one step at a time hehe |
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| 04:53.43 | reZo | http://pastebin.ca/817042 |
| 04:53.47 | reZo | enouf: there you go |
| 04:53.48 | enouf | reZo: also - again, man alsa, IIRC, TAB cycles through the 3 different views (playback, recording, all) |
| 04:53.59 | enouf | er man alsamixer i meant |
| 04:54.03 | reZo | okay |
| 04:54.20 | OminousZ | ah interesting |
| 04:54.54 | OminousZ | seems like there's an unresolved bug with pi that causes errors at around 600 million (iirc) |
| 04:55.00 | reZo | everything in tab's is up max |
| 04:55.11 | reZo | i'll test the mic again |
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| 04:55.19 | OminousZ | guess I'll have to settle for 500 million, perhaps |
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| 04:56.23 | reZo | enouf: nope, still nothing |
| 04:57.28 | enouf | reZo: run apt-get update and install alsa-base alsa-oss alsa-tools (just a hunch) .. show us output of lsmod | grep snd |
| 04:57.41 | reZo | okay |
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| 04:58.19 | enouf | reZo: here's what i have installed - but note; i'm on a lenny/sid mix http://pastebin.ca/raw/817044 |
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| 04:58.38 | reZo | okay :) |
| 04:58.43 | enouf | reZo: and you shouldn't need many of those anyway |
| 04:59.02 | sparr_d | "upgrading" DSL to debian, how not-debian will the result be? |
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| 05:04.42 | sparr | i think i am going, for the first time in 10 years, run debian stable intentionally |
| 05:05.03 | fundesktop | oh noes |
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| 05:06.29 | Caelum | how do I make aticonfig actually generate a config file? |
| 05:07.27 | sparr | i ran debian testing for years, and unstable for years more, but never stable on purpose |
| 05:07.32 | Travis_ | Hi I just put a hard drive in my server from my older server, the data on it is in a format called LVM2 MEMBER, because my old server was LVM, I just need to get the data off it for my new server? how do I go about this? |
| 05:07.43 | reZo | enouf: didn't work, but thanks anyways. i'll wait till i get my new mobo for my other pc |
| 05:08.20 | reZo | and ya |
| 05:08.21 | enouf | reZo: try the dpkg-reconfigure linux-sound-base thing? |
| 05:08.28 | reZo | i'll show you the output of thingy now |
| 05:08.32 | reZo | hmms, i shouldn't give up yet lol |
| 05:08.40 | reZo | lsmod | grep snd first |
| 05:08.40 | Caelum | Travis_: mount it using lvm? |
| 05:08.41 | reZo | hehe |
| 05:09.34 | reZo | enouf: http://pastebin.ca/raw/817052 |
| 05:10.21 | enouf | Travis_: IINM, if that HDD is part of a larger volume group, and it was striped LVM, you might need all disks of that volume - but this is just all some general understanding i have (or misunderstanding) |
| 05:11.49 | enouf | reZo: you seem to have all the necessary modules loaded for it to work - perhaps look into your Mobo manual docs, some mobos mess with jack output when employing various 5.1/6.1/7.1 schemes |
| 05:12.17 | reZo | ah okay |
| 05:12.25 | reZo | cheers for the help enouf :) |
| 05:12.37 | enouf | reZo: ok ;-) |
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| 05:16.50 | Travis_ | Caelum enouf it was once a part of a simple LVM setup with 2 physical drives, now i just have one of the drives that was part of the LVM setup, not the other drive or lvm configuration |
| 05:16.58 | Travis_ | but there is no way to just mount lvm |
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| 05:18.14 | enouf | Travis_: i'm lost at this point, (i don't use LVM), perhaps also ask in #debian on oftc.net or even ##linux here on freenode - maybe even #lvm{2} ?? |
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| 05:18.36 | Travis_ | k thanks |
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| 05:20.16 | DoubleDave | anyone still in here |
| 05:20.37 | simonrvn | nope |
| 05:20.56 | DoubleDave | rock on |
| 05:21.01 | Caelum | Travis_: I don't think you'll have any luck... your data would be scattered over those 2 disks |
| 05:21.25 | DoubleDave | have a question but not sure if this is the place so please forgive in advance |
| 05:21.46 | DoubleDave | building a deb package for ubuntu/debian and running lintian |
| 05:22.02 | Travis_ | Caelum i don't think it is though |
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| 05:22.09 | TurboBee2 | yaird error: unrecognised line in /proc/bus/input/devices: U: Uniq= (fatal) |
| 05:22.12 | Travis_ | i had a 300gb and 500gb |
| 05:22.16 | TurboBee2 | does anyone know what I would be getting that error message |
| 05:22.21 | Travis_ | the 500gb wasn't added till the 300gb filled up |
| 05:22.22 | DoubleDave | its giving me an error saying there is a file in /opt |
| 05:22.34 | Travis_ | and then the 300gb crashed |
| 05:22.40 | Travis_ | so i want to atleast get data off the the 500 |
| 05:22.58 | Caelum | Travis_: maybe some sort of data recovery tool that tries to extract files |
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| 05:23.05 | DoubleDave | this doesn't make sense to me since a lot of stuff gets install to opt |
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| 05:23.46 | sparr | is there anything in DamnSmallLinux that I can't get by just picking and choosing my debian packages carefully? other than a small base package |
| 05:24.53 | DoubleDave | anyways my point is... when I go to submit this to ubuntu are they going to reject me because something gets installed to opt? |
| 05:25.28 | DoubleDave | does anyone know of a channel I can go to where the topic is package creation? |
| 05:25.41 | Travis_ | Caelum yea just gotta find the right program |
| 05:25.58 | Travis_ | and i am lost on what, since i have only ever used windows recovery programs |
| 05:25.58 | sparr | DoubleDave: sadly there is no meta-debian channel, a fact that i have long lamented :( |
| 05:26.21 | DoubleDave | hmmm.... |
| 05:26.26 | enouf | DoubleDave: for ubuntu packages - please ask in #ubuntu channels |
| 05:26.43 | simonrvn | #debian-mentors on oftc network maybe |
| 05:26.50 | sparr | DoubleDave: i often have questions about apt and dpkg, but nowhere to ask them :( |
| 05:27.00 | sparr | as a user, not as a package developer |
| 05:27.07 | DoubleDave | right |
| 05:27.19 | enouf | !tell sparr -about reference |
| 05:27.30 | DoubleDave | well thanks maybe I'll try the mentors channel |
| 05:27.44 | DoubleDave | just seems like lintian is reporting on trivial stuff |
| 05:27.46 | DoubleDave | thanks again |
| 05:27.49 | sparr | enouf: my questions are far too obscure for the reference |
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| 05:29.10 | enouf | sparr: between factoids and refs, docs, man pages, etc, one can learn quite a bit about it - then there's maintainers guide and other docs mainly for DDs |
| 05:29.58 | enouf | sparr: besides you asked about DSL in here - we're concerned with Debian only here |
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| 05:37.43 | Nyle | hey |
| 05:39.32 | enouf | whas up Nyle |
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| 05:41.56 | Nyle | not much |
| 05:42.30 | Nyle | been sick lately |
| 05:42.35 | Nyle | and you? |
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| 05:48.16 | TheViral | Does anyone here know how to configure the network manager applet to show wireless stuff? |
| 05:48.19 | briansk1 | hmm, how can the kernel see eth0 (its in dmesg output), but dhclient/mii-tool/etc say "no such device" ? |
| 05:48.26 | TheViral | it only shows me wired |
| 05:48.49 | TheViral | and I am using a wireless connection right now |
| 05:50.07 | liable | do yourself a favour and use the backend tools and forget about NM |
| 05:50.14 | \amethyst | briansk1: did it possibly get renamed? does ifconfig -a list it? |
| 05:50.35 | liable | once you have them sussed out, its very easy to get wireless up and running in a matter of seconds |
| 05:50.53 | TheViral | liable: which tools? you mean like network tools? |
| 05:51.09 | briansk1 | \amethyst: good call |
| 05:51.10 | liable | TheViral: ifconfig/iwconfig and friends |
| 05:51.14 | briansk1 | its listed as eth2, grumble |
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| 05:51.21 | \amethyst | !z25 |
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| 05:51.21 | dpkg | from memory, z25 is as of version 0.090, udev has the ability to statically rename ethernet cards based on MAC address. The addresses are configured in /etc/udev/rules.d/z25_persistent-net.rules . If you want the mappings to change, edit that file. If you don't want udev to touch your interface names, remove that file and z45_persistent-net-generator.rules in the same directory. |
| 05:51.42 | briansk1 | why on earth does that stuff happen? |
| 05:51.43 | TheViral | liable: oh, yeah been doing that, I was just hoping for a point and click and it's done solution :) |
| 05:51.43 | enouf | Nyle: feeling the weather too - eating pizza atm though ;-) |
| 05:52.10 | \amethyst | briansk1: so that if you add a new network card the old one keeps its number |
| 05:52.13 | briansk1 | seems like it's less and less possible to take a hd from one machine and put it in another these days... things like this the hda/sda conversion, etc. |
| 05:52.21 | \amethyst | briansk1: however, it's optimized for addnig cards, not replacing them |
| 05:52.22 | briansk1 | \amethyst: i thought that was what iftab was for *shrug* |
| 05:52.29 | briansk1 | in any event, ignore my grumbling, and thanks ;-) |
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| 05:52.42 | \amethyst | briansk1: udev took over from ifrename |
| 05:53.14 | Nyle | enouf: I don't dig pizza much |
| 05:53.14 | \amethyst | briansk1: (iftab was an ifrename config file) |
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| 05:54.07 | RudyValencia | Hi, I'm trying to setup my server to deliver email from PHP scripts that use mail() |
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| 05:56.42 | vladc | Hi, where can I find Debian CD iso images on the http://mirrors.kernel.org/debian server? |
| 05:56.49 | enouf | i wonder why Nyle ;-) |
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| 05:58.19 | enouf | \amethyst: i suppose one could just 'rename' those 2 files mentioned in the factoid, just remove the .rules extension, or whatever - since "*.rules" files, IIRC, are the only ones read by udev |
| 05:58.47 | enouf | \amethyst: just so they have a sort of 'template' laying about should the need (re)arise |
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| 05:59.10 | \amethyst | enouf: the generator is a symlink anyway |
| 05:59.18 | enouf | right |
| 05:59.42 | \amethyst | If you need a template, you can run the generator from /etc/udev/ :) |
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| 06:00.14 | liable | pizza is quite possibly the best food ever |
| 06:00.17 | \amethyst | but yeah, renaming them to .inactive would work too |
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| 06:00.52 | \amethyst | or, rather, the generated file |
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| 06:02.27 | enouf | \amethyst: i suppose the other prerequisite is that the files read, reside in /rules.d/* ? |
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| 06:04.05 | enouf | hrm, why is there no mention of the reload_rules option in man udevcontrol ? :-( |
| 06:04.38 | \amethyst | enouf: it's there |
| 06:04.41 | enouf | udevcontrol --help |
| 06:04.43 | enouf | shows it |
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| 06:05.30 | enouf | ahh my man page is linked to UDEVD(8) .. wtf? |
| 06:05.46 | \amethyst | enouf: mine too, but it's there |
| 06:05.53 | \amethyst | enouf: version 0.114-2 |
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| 06:06.25 | enouf | \amethyst: not in mine :-( |
| 06:06.25 | dbmoodb | !uninstall |
| 06:06.25 | dbmoodb | !remove |
| 06:06.47 | enouf | udev August 2005 UDEVD(8) |
| 06:07.00 | enouf | heh - time for another huge upgrade |
| 06:07.11 | streuner_ | heh |
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| 06:07.36 | enouf | streuner_: i did 1000+ packages back in .. er ... earlier this year ;-) |
| 06:07.47 | \amethyst | enouf: my manpage has the same date |
| 06:07.47 | maddash | wtf?? "bash: updatedb: command not found" |
| 06:08.20 | streuner_ | maddash: apt-get install apt-listchanges |
| 06:08.25 | enouf | ii udev 0.105-4 /dev/ and hotplug management daemon |
| 06:08.30 | \amethyst | enouf: aha |
| 06:08.35 | streuner_ | maddash: and read changes then :-) |
| 06:08.38 | enouf | old and tired eh? ;-) |
| 06:08.43 | \amethyst | enouf: I don't think the dates in manpages get updated very frequently |
| 06:08.55 | \amethyst | enouf: you use etch? |
| 06:09.03 | enouf | \amethyst: right - just trying to narrow it down - but anyways |
| 06:09.07 | maddash | streuner_: cool thanks |
| 06:09.12 | enouf | \amethyst: no - but i upgrade rarely |
| 06:09.17 | enouf | \amethyst: and selectively |
| 06:09.35 | \amethyst | enouf: I definitely understand being selective about upgrading udev :) |
| 06:09.43 | enouf | hehe |
| 06:09.49 | \amethyst | It's been some time since I've upgraded X |
| 06:10.51 | enouf | (on a lenny/sid mix) i think when i did the 1000+ back in march, only 20 or so didn't get upgraded - now it's back up to over 800 O.o |
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| 06:11.07 | enouf | (i'm guessing march - maybe it was may) |
| 06:11.35 | streuner_ | maddash: http://packages.debian.org/changelogs/pool/main/f/findutils/findutils_4.2.31-3/changelog |
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| 06:13.19 | maddash | streuner_: so locate has been split off into its own package |
| 06:13.42 | enouf | i use dlocate often too ;-) |
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| 06:14.38 | streuner_ | slocate: /usr/bin/locate |
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| 06:15.30 | dbmoodb | hi ah which version of apache is in etch stable ? |
| 06:15.32 | SuSElover | Currently I use opensuse would U think it would be a great idea to switch to debian? |
| 06:15.46 | dbmoodb | !debian |
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| 06:15.46 | dpkg | i heard debian is http://www.debian.org. See http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/project-history/index.en.html#contents |
| 06:15.47 | dbmoodb | !suse |
| 06:15.47 | dpkg | well, suse is a linux distribution that can be found at http://www.suse.com, or german, open source, *nix. . . you do the math. the root of all that is wrong and evil, or #suse, or see http://www.omahns-home.co.uk/downloads/sles9.png |
| 06:15.54 | [gnubie] | i just upgraded my mpd from the debian (0.12.1-1.1) stable to (0.13.0-3) unstable and now, i don't hear a sound when playing from pitchfork.. any idea? what shall i do now? |
| 06:16.04 | streuner_ | nah, we all running SuSE and we are here because we hate Debian :-P |
| 06:16.06 | dbmoodb | - debian is ok can be fun. but it depends on what you need |
| 06:16.36 | streuner_ | dpkg, start a distro war |
| 06:16.36 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, start a distro war is Debian Rulz |
| 06:16.42 | SuSElover | I hate updating my system frequently |
| 06:17.02 | SuSElover | update from 10.2 to 10.3 really horrible |
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| 06:17.29 | streuner_ | !factinfo start a distro war |
| 06:17.29 | dpkg | start a distro war -- last modified at Mon Sep 3 14:05:21 2007 by themill_!n=stuart@phoenix.chm.bris.ac.uk; it has been requested 16 times, last by streuner_, 53s ago. |
| 06:17.32 | TheViral | dpkg, woman on woman |
| 06:17.42 | TheViral | haha damn |
| 06:17.54 | streuner_ | dpkg, gender? |
| 06:17.55 | dpkg | I'm female |
| 06:18.08 | TheViral | can I make it do things? |
| 06:18.17 | wols | TheViral: no |
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| 06:18.24 | TheViral | wols: damn :P |
| 06:18.27 | liable | its not *that* kind of bot :) |
| 06:18.37 | TheViral | liable: haha! I didn't mean it that way :p |
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| 06:19.10 | SuSElover | nj |
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| 06:20.21 | mattn2|home_ | hi - i've created some debian packages for some gimp plugins - if anyone is interested: http://mattn.ninex.info/download/gimp/ (the debian package rules + amd64 debs) |
| 06:20.39 | streuner_ | SuSElover: well, iam using Debian since years and i never need something else... |
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| 06:22.48 | tvynr | I'm trying to get a Wacom Bamboo tablet to work under Debian Etch. My understanding is that the tablet drivers which ship with 2.6.18 (Etch's kernel) are too old to support the bamboo, so I downloaded the source for v1.4.6-pc0.1. But the module still isn't recognizing the tablet. |
| 06:23.15 | tvynr | It's seeing the tablet as a USB device but the Wacom driver isn't getting hold of it. |
| 06:23.31 | tvynr | Are there any other drivers that would need updated or anything like that? What could I have missed? |
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| 06:24.30 | nostahl | whats a good wifi program to set up for debian |
| 06:24.48 | techrush | xterm :) |
| 06:25.10 | Claudio32m | is there a ncurses type gui front end to select files like the old PC TOOLS from dos days hehe |
| 06:25.16 | Claudio32m | or midnight commander i think |
| 06:25.19 | Decepticon | how do i see what dir is using the most hdd space |
| 06:25.26 | \amethyst | Claudio32m: midnight commander |
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| 06:25.34 | Claudio32m | thanks |
| 06:25.38 | Claudio32m | whats the cmmand |
| 06:25.42 | Decepticon | mc |
| 06:25.44 | Claudio32m | cool |
| 06:25.56 | \amethyst | that's also the package name |
| 06:25.57 | tvynr | Decepticon: I like to use FileLight to track down disk usage. |
| 06:26.06 | Claudio32m | nice |
| 06:26.12 | Claudio32m | apt-getting it now |
| 06:26.14 | [gnubie] | i just upgraded my mpd from the debian (0.12.1-1.1) stable to (0.13.0-3) unstable and now, i don't hear a sound when playing from pitchfork.. any idea? what shall i do now? |
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| 06:26.26 | Decepticon | tvynr is it cli? |
| 06:26.34 | tvynr | Decepticon: No. :( |
| 06:26.47 | tvynr | Anyone have any idea what I could be missing for the Wacom tablet install? |
| 06:26.50 | Claudio32m | wow mc is really nice |
| 06:26.50 | Decepticon | oh so in the gui, does it show big graphs and pie charts then tvynr? |
| 06:26.52 | Claudio32m | colors and all |
| 06:27.00 | Decepticon | yeah mc is great |
| 06:27.21 | Decepticon | tvynr, does filelight show pie charts and such? |
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| 06:27.22 | tvynr | Decepticon: Yeah, layered pie chart. Each directory is a slice; subdirectories are slices on top of them. |
| 06:27.26 | Decepticon | great |
| 06:27.30 | Decepticon | ill get it |
| 06:27.58 | Morningsickness | ISLE OF MAN - June 1, 2006 - At a press conference today, Canonical CEO and Free Software spokesnigger Mark Shuttleworth announced the immediate availability of version 6.06 of the Ubuntu Linux distribution. The latest version, known by its code name, "The Diaper Drake," includes special features designed to make Linux easier and more comfortable for niggers the world over. |
| 06:27.59 | Morningsickness | "Niggers have always had trouble understanding new technology," Shuttleworth began. "Computers are no exception. Some people have said this is because niggers are dumb, but I believe the real problem is that technology has traditionally been designed for white people. Ubuntu changes all that. It was developed from the ground up with niggers in mind. It will usher in a whole new era of Afro-ergonomic computing." |
| 06:28.09 | Decepticon | tvynr it looks like a lot of kde type of libs are required |
| 06:28.13 | Morningsickness | huttleworth presented an overview of some of the features users could expect in the latest version of Ubuntu, including an Ebonics-to-English converter, African "tribal beats" sound and desktop theme, and a collection of rap music and gay pornography, "which of course will be encoded using patent and royalty-free formats," Shuttleworth added, smiling. He proceeded to elaborate, but OpenOffice.org Impress crashed at t |
| 06:28.13 | Morningsickness | "But this release isn't just about new features," Shuttleworth said, making a quick segue to the humanitarian and ideological concept behind Ubuntu. "This new version brings black men closer together than ever in the spirit of Ubuntu." Shuttleworth then demonstrated the concept of Ubuntu by getting on his knees and sucking a young black boy's erect penis. |
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| 06:28.19 | wols | !ops GNAA Troll |
| 06:28.19 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: wols complains about: GNAA Troll |
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| 06:28.43 | maddash | 'gnaa'? |
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| 06:28.50 | Decepticon | look at wikipedia for GNAA |
| 06:28.53 | \amethyst | The GNAA really know how to get their press releases out there, eh? |
| 06:28.53 | Decepticon | known troll group |
| 06:28.55 | tvynr | Decepticon: Yeah, it's a Qt app. |
| 06:28.57 | streuner_ | maddash: not important to know |
| 06:29.05 | streuner_ | racists |
| 06:29.10 | Decepticon | tvynr that sucks... im not installing it because of that |
| 06:29.18 | Claudio32m | whats a good NAS piece of hardware that works well will linux |
| 06:29.21 | Claudio32m | and windows |
| 06:29.24 | tvynr | Decepticon: Understandable. Sorry. :( |
| 06:29.28 | Claudio32m | looking at LACIE |
| 06:29.32 | Claudio32m | but they say the web interface sucks |
| 06:29.38 | techrush | Claudio32m, NSLU2 |
| 06:29.39 | wols | Claudio32m: #hardware |
| 06:29.44 | techrush | Claudio32m, u can run debian on it :) |
| 06:29.48 | Claudio32m | nice |
| 06:29.55 | Claudio32m | tech and windows can connect to it via ftp i assume? |
| 06:29.58 | techrush | its awesome i highly recommend it |
| 06:30.04 | wols | Claudio32m: #hardware |
| 06:30.04 | Claudio32m | tech - u have it? |
| 06:30.08 | Claudio32m | wols - allright |
| 06:30.09 | techrush | it can run anything debian can |
| 06:30.25 | techrush | ill meet you in #hardware |
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| 06:31.09 | Decepticon | anybody else ahve any recommendations on seeing which dirs in my hdd are eating my hdd space? i dont want filelight because of its kde libs,, something for gnome or cli would be appreciated |
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| 06:31.25 | maddash | wikipedia's got nothing |
| 06:31.27 | streuner_ | stew: gone... |
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| 06:31.48 | fignew` | Decepticon: du | sort -n |
| 06:32.21 | tvynr | Decepticon: If you want to do it by hand, there's always du -hs /* |
| 06:32.30 | tvynr | Decepticon: But I'm guessing you want an immediate recursive presentation. |
| 06:33.47 | Decepticon | fignew` and tvynr those are both great, thanks |
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| 06:34.16 | ddalton | Hi, whats the start up script with .local on the end of its name? |
| 06:34.22 | ddalton | something.local in /etc/init.d |
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| 06:35.08 | \amethyst | rc.local? |
| 06:35.16 | ddalton | its rc.local |
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| 06:35.38 | mbroeker | \amethyst, do you think he was a wise guy? |
| 06:36.54 | \amethyst | mbroeker: No, just one of many goons |
| 06:37.04 | mbroeker | :) |
| 06:37.13 | dispon | Hi to all! I want to install libc6-dev, but apt-get write that libdev6 will be installed. But libdev6 installed already! |
| 06:37.29 | streuner_ | !bobbitt |
| 06:37.29 | dpkg | Remember Lorena Bobbitt? Remember what she did to her husband's woody? Well, when you install binary packages from different branches onto your woody (...sarge, etch), you get the same result. Same goes for Sarge, Etch, and any other debian system, "debian based distro", or the fire that is <rpm>, <alien>, etc. |
| 06:37.29 | dispon | And I tried to install libc6 but apt-get writing that libdev6 already installed. What is the problem? |
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| 06:37.54 | \amethyst | what's libdev6 |
| 06:37.55 | \amethyst | ? |
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| 06:38.07 | wols | !tell dispon about bat |
| 06:38.58 | dispon | tnx |
| 06:39.42 | \amethyst | wols: why "bat"? |
| 06:39.54 | \amethyst | wols: I mean, why is that the name of that factoid? |
| 06:40.05 | wols | I think you have to ask dondelelcaro about that |
| 06:40.14 | \amethyst | clue- I bet |
| 06:40.15 | streuner_ | !factinfo bat |
| 06:40.15 | dpkg | bat -- created by dondelelcaro <n=don@archimedes.ucr.edu> at Fri Sep 23 23:16:56 2005 (812 days); it has been requested 285 times, last by \amethyst, 1m 46s ago; it has been locked by dondelelcaro. |
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| 06:43.07 | maddash | wtf? xgamma isn't working! |
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| 06:43.37 | fundesktop | maddash: some drivers don't support it, I guess |
| 06:43.56 | maddash | fundesktop: drivers? I thought gamma was x11's responsibility |
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| 06:44.28 | fundesktop | maddash: I tried different drivers with the same X.org version, and i.e. vesa didn't support gamma |
| 06:44.55 | maddash | so this could all be fglrx's problem |
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| 06:46.05 | streuner_ | !+tell maddash -about sid faq |
| 06:46.06 | dpkg | told maddash about sid faq. |
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| 06:46.55 | fundesktop | btw...: was it ATI's or NVIDIA's closed source driver that doesn't use DRI? |
| 06:47.20 | maddash | fundesktop: ATI, but not anymore |
| 06:47.25 | maddash | streuner_: sid? |
| 06:47.39 | streuner_ | maddash: sid! |
| 06:47.49 | maddash | i'm not using sid... |
| 06:47.57 | streuner_ | if you running lenny/testing sid FAQ is helpful too |
| 06:48.08 | maddash | ok |
| 06:48.13 | fundesktop | maddash: so both make use of DRI? |
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| 06:50.53 | maddash | fundesktop: yes. |
| 06:52.02 | waltz | how can I format a USB drive as FAT32? |
| 06:52.41 | streuner_ | apt-get install dosfstools |
| 06:53.03 | streuner_ | man mkfs.vfat then |
| 06:55.12 | streuner_ | !find mkfs.vfat |
| 06:55.22 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'mkfs.vfat' (1): (/sbin/mkfs.vfat) in otherosfs/dosfstools. |
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| 06:56.24 | sparr_d | is there a display manager that will give me a list of login-able users without the dependency overhead of gdm or kdm? |
| 06:58.17 | wols | sparr_d: wdm, xdm |
| 06:59.29 | sparr_d | how do i get a list from those? |
| 06:59.51 | wols | ooops. didn't read that part. sorry |
| 06:59.52 | sparr_d | ive tried both so far, if i can get them working then im going to need help setting resources, but the list of users is paramount |
| 07:01.05 | sparr_d | im on a fairly weak machine, but fortunately with above-average storage for its age |
| 07:01.10 | sparr_d | so i CAN install gnome dependencies if i have to |
| 07:02.21 | sparr_d | on another note... |
| 07:02.41 | sparr_d | why doesnt xserver-xorg [indirectly] DEPENDS on xfonts-base? it wont run without it, afaics |
| 07:03.33 | sparr_d | id search the bug db but im stuck in a recovery terminal for now :) |
| 07:05.17 | Decepticon | is there any tool that can search out a dir and look for scripts that should be o+x but arent ? i accidentally chmodded everything in my dir something stupid, recursively |
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| 07:05.58 | ddalton | where can I submit a bug report for lenny? or does anyone know why when I am waiting for something eg. apt to install something and I hit up/down it does ^[ on the command line? |
| 07:06.03 | ddalton | if I switch user like: |
| 07:06.04 | ddalton | su daniel |
| 07:06.08 | ddalton | enter password |
| 07:06.36 | ddalton | while waiting I press down I get once the log in is done ^[^[ daniel @his_computer |
| 07:06.46 | ddalton | anyone know if I should write up a bug report? |
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| 07:07.55 | fignew | that's not a bug :) |
| 07:08.14 | ddalton | what is it? |
| 07:08.29 | ameyer | and it'd be low priority, even if it were |
| 07:08.29 | fignew | a feature ;) |
| 07:08.38 | ameyer | I mean, so f***ing what? |
| 07:08.51 | ddalton | what's it used for? |
| 07:08.53 | ameyer | Debian has bigger problems ;) |
| 07:09.06 | maddash | **bigger** problems |
| 07:09.15 | maddash | and **lots** of them |
| 07:09.17 | ameyer | like, last I tried to boot my desktop, X was f***ed |
| 07:09.20 | ddalton | so its a "bug" its just not important? |
| 07:09.40 | ddalton | and does this mean I have lenny? |
| 07:09.41 | ameyer | (I'm not surprised, I blame sid) |
| 07:09.49 | ddalton | cat: /etc/debian_version?: No such file or directory |
| 07:09.54 | ddalton | lenny/sid |
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| 07:10.17 | ameyer | I don't think it's a bug, and even if it were, it wouldn't be an important bug |
| 07:10.39 | antixogh | are you using bash? |
| 07:10.49 | ddalton | do you see the same problem? |
| 07:11.16 | wols | ddalton: while I see why it would be annoying to you, it's not really a bug |
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| 07:11.30 | ddalton | ok. but am I the only one seeing it? |
| 07:11.37 | wols | no |
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| 07:11.54 | ddalton | ok and is it a feature really? or just a "not important bug"? |
| 07:12.07 | antixogh | ddalton: I have seen things like what you are talking about, i'm not sure it is the same thing |
| 07:12.11 | wols | it's a way how the cursor up key is handled in *nix |
| 07:12.12 | Decepticon | how do i check what linux-image-version i have? |
| 07:12.14 | wols | not a bug |
| 07:12.23 | wols | of course it's no "feature" |
| 07:12.26 | ddalton | uname -a |
| 07:12.30 | wols | Decepticon: dpkg -l |
| 07:12.44 | ddalton | ok |
| 07:13.03 | ddalton | I can't work out why it would do that. I see it on the log in screen too. but oh well. |
| 07:13.14 | ddalton | I have more important things to get working I trhink |
| 07:13.20 | ddalton | think |
| 07:13.30 | wols | ddalton: cause it's how the cursor up key (and other keys) is handled |
| 07:13.30 | Decepticon | will instaling a linux-image-newversion package require me to reboot? |
| 07:13.33 | \amethyst | cursor keys generate escape sequences like ^[[D and so on |
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| 07:13.40 | wols | Decepticon: no. but using that new kernel will |
| 07:13.57 | Decepticon | i can still keep working and reboot whenver next month or so? |
| 07:14.10 | wols | Decepticon: yes |
| 07:14.18 | \amethyst | that's why it shows up at the login prompt etc (they don't handle special keys at all) |
| 07:14.22 | wols | if it's a security kernel update you shouldn't of course. but you can |
| 07:14.55 | \amethyst | as for why typeahead escape sequences don't get handled properly by bash |
| 07:14.56 | Decepticon | my software updates reminder does not show anything in the 'changes' tab at all |
| 07:15.24 | \amethyst | oh |
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| 07:16.08 | \amethyst | escape sequences will display on the screen if you press them before bash starts, since nothing is capturing them |
| 07:17.02 | Decepticon | \amethyst, theres this big message thats telling me i wont be ablet o use modules, and that i should reboot soon, cannot stress this enough, reboot soon etc |
| 07:17.35 | \amethyst | Decepticon: it's the same kernel version you already have? |
| 07:17.40 | Decepticon | yes |
| 07:18.07 | \amethyst | if all the modules you're going to need in the next month are already loaded, go right ahead |
| 07:19.01 | ameyer | sometimes you get lucky and the modules work ;) |
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| 07:19.02 | \amethyst | but, as it said, you are likely to have problems loading new modules if anything differs between the old running kernel and the new kernel whose modules you have |
| 07:19.22 | \amethyst | as ameyer says, likely not certain to have problems |
| 07:19.34 | nostahl | the ndiswrapper channel is dead right now |
| 07:19.36 | wols | Decepticon: did you install a kernel version which you already had? |
| 07:19.42 | Decepticon | wols yes |
| 07:19.43 | ameyer | in theory, ABI changes bump the number in the package name |
| 07:19.47 | wols | Decepticon: that's why |
| 07:19.50 | nostahl | anyone hear anything about d-link N wireless usb adapters? for linux |
| 07:20.22 | ameyer | and I haven't rebooted for the new kernel and a new USBMSC device is working fine |
| 07:22.11 | antixogh | after I reboot, I log in and get thrown back to the console then gdm starts again and then I can login with not problems. |
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| 07:23.18 | ViRaveNuS | who is from romania around here :))? |
| 07:23.43 | simonrvn | not i |
| 07:24.00 | antixogh | "WARNING: gdm_cleanup_children: child 2978 crashed of signal 6, WARNING: gdm_cleanup_children: Slave crashed, killing its children" I found this in my syslog |
| 07:24.07 | wols | !ro |
| 07:24.53 | antixogh | I googled it and only found ubuntu issues, which I can probably use to fix it but is it a bug? |
| 07:25.12 | wols | something crashing is ALWAYS a bug |
| 07:25.53 | ViRaveNuS | maibe dependencies are not fully suplied |
| 07:26.24 | antixogh | err sorry I mean should I file a bug?, i'm looking on bugs.debian for something sililar |
| 07:26.50 | antixogh | synpatic doesn't show any broken packages |
| 07:27.43 | \amethyst | antixogh: signal 6 is SIGABRT, sounds like the child in question failed an assertion |
| 07:28.04 | \amethyst | antixogh: you might try looking in /var/log/gdm/* |
| 07:30.01 | antixogh | ok it's here http://pastebin.com/d6b8d44a4 |
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| 07:44.16 | PiousMinion | Are there any apps in the debian repo to copy to to/from a windows mobile device? |
| 07:45.14 | wols | PiousMinion: does the mobile device show up as mass storage device? |
| 07:45.54 | PiousMinion | wols: no, but it does load an "ipaq" module which suggest there's an app somewhere. :P |
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| 07:46.38 | PiousMinion | reads an a serial device. heh |
| 07:46.40 | wols | ipaqs run familiarlinux |
| 07:46.52 | lonejack | Hi all, problem with wacom tablet, somwbody can help me? |
| 07:47.27 | PiousMinion | wols: the ipaq is running windows mobile. I'm trying to access it with linux. |
| 07:47.44 | PiousMinion | ..via usb. |
| 07:48.03 | wols | PiousMinion: I know. but the ipaq module could be for the linux side of things |
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| 07:50.36 | PiousMinion | wols: why would I have an ipaq module compiled for i386 on debian (ipaq is arm) if it was meant to run on the ipaq itself? |
| 07:51.24 | wols | a) I didn't say it was to be run on the ipaq b) debian uses the exact same kernel sourec for all 13 platforms |
| 07:53.01 | PiousMinion | wols: Id that is not what you meant than I clearly did not understand what you tried to convey. :P |
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| 07:57.32 | antixogh | does debian have an "offical debian book" like slackware does? I didn't see one @ http://www.debian.org/doc/books or are the user manuals an equivalent? |
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| 07:59.21 | jnguy | There is no official debian book. |
| 08:00.29 | Ezep | hey, anyone could enable framebuffer in default linux kernel? |
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| 08:01.02 | dacs | hello everyone |
| 08:01.25 | PiousMinion | Ezep: I doubt anyone could, but some people can I'm sure. |
| 08:01.26 | dimir | Moin! |
| 08:01.50 | Ezep | PiousMinion: sorry about my bad english :p |
| 08:02.28 | PiousMinion | Ezep: I'm just giving you a hard time. We all knew what you mean... I think. :P |
| 08:02.44 | Ezep | I hope :) |
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| 08:04.03 | Ezep | PiousMinion: sorry, u know how? |
| 08:04.19 | antixogh | http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/debian-reference/ looks like what I was looking for |
| 08:04.35 | dacs | show me |
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| 08:05.01 | dacs | lol show me |
| 08:05.07 | dacs | oops |
| 08:05.35 | Ezep | antixogh: are u saying that to me? |
| 08:05.41 | wols | Ezep: vga=xxx as a boot parameter |
| 08:06.02 | Ezep | No, it's say that i mus especify a good resolution |
| 08:06.07 | Ezep | i use vga=788 |
| 08:06.28 | wols | then 788 is wrong |
| 08:06.31 | wols | use vga=ask |
| 08:06.43 | Ezep | vga=ask ? |
| 08:06.47 | Ezep | k |
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| 08:07.34 | antixogh | Ezep: no I had asked a question before and I found what I was looking for so I was sharing my results |
| 08:08.01 | Ezep | cool :S |
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| 08:14.59 | shoo | how do you compile a kernel the debian way? |
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| 08:17.03 | hoxu | !tell shoo about make-kpkg |
| 08:17.12 | shoo | ah thanks |
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| 08:19.32 | roler | does anyone have a Juno email account here by chance? I know it's a weird question, but I wish to send an email from my gmail account to see if it gets through the spam filters |
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| 08:23.05 | positron2007 | What can I do if apt-get says for all packages that Following packages cannot be authenticated ? |
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| 08:23.30 | hoxu | positron2007, what does update say? |
| 08:23.37 | positron2007 | Let me see |
| 08:24.14 | positron2007 | hoxu, it gives about 20 lines |
| 08:24.29 | hoxu | hum, any warnings, errors? |
| 08:24.31 | positron2007 | It ignores DiffIndex |
| 08:24.37 | positron2007 | No warnings or errors |
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| 08:24.49 | uragano2354 | .:::] Ci40 @ Tutti [:::. »BuTT3rF|y sCr|pT«»rEvOLuTiOnZ»v2.6« |
| 08:25.03 | uragano2354 | ciao |
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| 08:25.09 | uragano2354 | !list |
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| 08:26.15 | dserban_ | should tv out and vga work at the same time on an nvidia 6200? |
| 08:27.41 | techrush | at the same time ? |
| 08:27.59 | techrush | maybe if you run the proprietary nvidia driver you can use twinview |
| 08:28.18 | techrush | but bleh....its a hassle |
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| 08:29.26 | dacs | anyone know whats the deal with google ads , i have it on my site and they just keep advertising something diffrent from what i want |
| 08:29.30 | dacs | lol |
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| 08:34.11 | itchi | dacs: They advert depending of your content, keywords, description, content ... |
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| 08:34.22 | subprime | hi |
| 08:34.25 | itchi | dacs: And if not, random |
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| 08:34.42 | Ezep | sorry, which kernel has sid and lenny? |
| 08:35.13 | hoxu | Ezep, rephrase |
| 08:35.18 | stew | Ezep: http://packages.debian.org/linux-source |
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| 08:36.49 | Ezep | thx |
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| 08:49.17 | positron2007 | hoxu, any suggestion? |
| 08:49.36 | kestaz | why debian , why not ubuntu ? |
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| 08:50.14 | Ezep | kestaz: what stupid question |
| 08:50.33 | kestaz | i know ;) |
| 08:50.43 | kestaz | just joking from debian community |
| 08:50.47 | Ezep | i see, joking :) |
| 08:50.48 | Ezep | hehe |
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| 08:56.09 | kestaz | Ezep: debian is ubuntu but with few dirty hacks |
| 08:56.35 | Ezep | ubuntu is debian for morons :) |
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| 08:57.57 | b0rsuk | Is there anybody home ? |
| 08:58.15 | kestaz | as i see ubuntu community not developed any major things in their distribution |
| 08:58.49 | b0rsuk | Is it _possible_ to install Debian Testing/Lenny from USB ? I copied netinstall on top of hd-media, but installator says iso and installer versions don't match or something similar. |
| 08:58.52 | Ezep | monkeys don't have to use swiss knifes :) |
| 08:58.52 | kestaz | they did just cosmetic things .. |
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| 08:59.14 | b0rsuk | Ubuntu community has one thing going for it : they ignore less questions. |
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| 08:59.39 | Ezep | Ubuntu community only want ubuntu for beryl :S |
| 08:59.48 | Ezep | It suckz :s |
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| 09:00.17 | Ezep | and if beryl crashed |
| 09:00.25 | Ezep | then... aero and vista :) |
| 09:00.26 | b0rsuk | Ezep : Believe or not, Kubuntu installs on my Asus P5K SE motherboard (with extra boot parameter). Debian, Etch or Lenny, doesn't. |
| 09:01.00 | Ezep | Sometimes the user is the problem |
| 09:01.05 | melodie | mixer_applet2 2.18.0 refuse to star tcomplaining about gstreamer but my alsamixer is ok, how can I fix that ? |
| 09:01.06 | Ezep | Don't offend |
| 09:01.07 | b0rsuk | Debian even has the nerve to say generic.all_generic_ide=1 is unknown boot option, despite listing it in F6 screen. |
| 09:01.28 | Ezep | huh :S |
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| 09:01.39 | Ezep | pretty... hard to fix :x |
| 09:02.01 | b0rsuk | The way I see it, either generic.all_generic_ide=1 should work, or it shouldn't be listed in installer help. |
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| 09:02.53 | kestaz | b0rsuk: boot belongs of your kernel version |
| 09:03.05 | b0rsuk | kestaz : Come again ? |
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| 09:03.21 | kestaz | b0rsuk: what ? |
| 09:03.59 | b0rsuk | If I boot Etch from CD (Asus P5K SE motherboard), it says "no common cd-rom drive was found") and install can't progress. In Ubuntu, I can use generic.all_generic_ide=1 to work around. It doesn't work it Debian. |
| 09:04.46 | kestaz | b0rsuk: ok. but debian sux less in the end |
| 09:04.52 | b0rsuk | If I boot Etch from USB, it doesn't recognize my network card. The ethernet card is fixed in 2.6.20 kernels, but Lenny doesn't boot from CD (cdrom problem), and I can't get it to work from USB |
| 09:05.13 | b0rsuk | kestaz : Debian doesn't even begin to suck if I can't install it. |
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| 09:06.01 | kestaz | b0rsuk: so install ubuntu .. and then apt-get install debian-desktop :))) |
| 09:06.04 | b0rsuk | Is it supposed to be that way that testing can't be installed from USB, or have I broken something ? |
| 09:06.20 | Ezep | apt-get install linuxlogo :))) |
| 09:06.27 | b0rsuk | You sure it will work ? |
| 09:07.09 | b0rsuk | If I install Debian in this dirty way (apt-get), will it be like a fresh debian install, or will there some trash left from Ubuntu ? |
| 09:07.24 | b0rsuk | Most people warn against using repos from different distros |
| 09:07.29 | Ezep | do a debootstrap =] |
| 09:07.47 | kestaz | b0rsuk: there is not package named debian-desktop .. i just joking.. |
| 09:08.08 | manu_hack | hi, how come I cannot install kdm via apt-get, need a specific source list? |
| 09:08.14 | b0rsuk | You see, I need Debian for games. Enemy Territory :Quake Wars runs like crap on Ubuntu, because it has so many services running by default. |
| 09:08.38 | Ezep | hehe, love ubuntu for that services xD |
| 09:09.12 | b0rsuk | I couldn't even upgrade ubuntu without installing ubuntu-desktop. It depends on ubuntu-desktop. So I have many packages I don't want stuck there. |
| 09:10.11 | Ezep | I love minimal instalation, try it |
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| 09:10.44 | b0rsuk | If I have internet access, will debootsrap install a nice fresh Debian for me ? Or is there a catch ? |
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| 09:11.13 | b0rsuk | I know there's www.goodbye-microsoft.com, but I don't have a windows partition. |
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| 09:11.33 | Ezep | Mmm, debootstrap is the best |
| 09:11.34 | Ezep | idea |
| 09:11.43 | Ezep | from any live cd u could do that |
| 09:12.43 | b0rsuk | cd won't work. It's the shitty Marvel chipset on my mobo, cdrom stops working as soon as control is handed over to kernel during installation. Or something. |
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| 09:15.18 | b0rsuk | Ezep : From any livecd, you say ? debootstrap will just overwrite my / partition ? |
| 09:15.28 | Ezep | yes |
| 09:15.37 | b0rsuk | Sounds like a plan :-) |
| 09:15.39 | hoxu | !tell b0rsuk about debootstrap |
| 09:16.08 | Ezep | I love debootstrap'ing |
| 09:16.09 | b0rsuk | I'm reading about debootstrap on some random googled website. |
| 09:16.51 | b0rsuk | And it will be like a full Debian install, right ? |
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| 09:18.45 | Ezep | no. a minimal minimal |
| 09:18.49 | TapoutT | What package do you need to install for readline.. so postgresql will compile |
| 09:20.22 | mbroeker | TapoutT, libreadline5-dev? |
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| 09:22.05 | TapoutT | thanks man, that was it |
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| 09:24.59 | liable | !qotd0 |
| 09:25.00 | dpkg | * helo makes hosts a+rw and moves on |
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| 09:38.58 | moshii | I've setup the CHECK_RCPT_IP_DNSBLS variable in my config.. I want exim to reject mail that fails those checks, what do I set to get it to do that? |
| 09:40.09 | fundesktop | ~/.icewm/keys doesn't seem to react on key presses anymore... it used to work with all versions (including the one I have installed); so what could I have messed up? |
| 09:41.35 | xand | moshii: are you familiar with the exim config files? |
| 09:41.50 | b0rsuk | Ezep : but that minimal install will be enough to apt-get install everything else ? Is there anything else I should know before nuking my kubuntu install with debootstrap ? |
| 09:42.05 | b0rsuk | I have working kubuntu livecd for emergency... |
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| 09:43.08 | b0rsuk | So on minimal system, if I want to install kde, I need kde-base etc ? |
| 09:43.36 | moshii | xand: half and half.. I'm not an exim expert at all |
| 09:44.04 | fundesktop | b0rsuk: if your system has access to the packages, why not? |
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| 09:45.14 | xand | moshii: well, you need to edit /etc/exim4/exim4.conf.template and alter the CHECK_RCPT_IP_DNSBLS section... change it from "warn" to "deny" |
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| 09:45.44 | moshii | xand: ah, that's simple enough |
| 09:45.52 | b0rsuk | fundesktop : How can I make sure that debootstrap installs debian testing (Lenny) rather than etch ? Etch won't like my ethernet card. |
| 09:45.53 | xand | then run update-exim4.conf |
| 09:46.26 | simonrvn | b0rsuk: just say so in your debootstrap args |
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| 09:48.00 | phix | hi |
| 09:48.15 | moshii | xand: all done. :) cheers |
| 09:48.49 | b0rsuk | Hmm. Some people on forums.debian.net say Lenny is notorious for not recognizing network cards. |
| 09:49.21 | moshii | b0rsuk: in what context? |
| 09:49.30 | phix | hmmm |
| 09:49.32 | phix | bi |
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| 09:51.23 | b0rsuk | One person said no Lenny install he tried could configure his DHCP/cable modem or something. |
| 09:53.42 | simonrvn | b0rsuk: you know, you could give us the URL to that instead of paraphrasing it, or, you could go *do* it |
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| 09:54.48 | xand | one person? OHNOES |
| 09:55.02 | xand | sounds like pebkac to me |
| 09:55.07 | moshii | b0rsuk: people on forums also tend to over use words like "notorious" |
| 09:55.28 | b0rsuk | ONe person is more than usually replies to my questions on forums.debian.net. So it's pretty big number. |
| 09:55.50 | b0rsuk | "notorious" was my addition. |
| 09:56.16 | moshii | "Some people on forums.debian.net say Lenny is notorious" - so some people is *you*? |
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| 09:56.38 | moshii | That makes the problem notorious.. mm |
| 09:56.39 | b0rsuk | simonrvn : I'm in irssi at tty1 , it doesn't make it convenient to paste url's. |
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| 09:56.57 | simonrvn | b0rsuk: i was being facetious |
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| 09:57.13 | b0rsuk | I'm going to try debootstrap anyway, I'm annoyed enough. |
| 09:57.52 | hoxu | b0rsuk, well, screen's copy-paste should take about as long as writing those lines |
| 09:58.15 | moshii | b0rsuk: It's fair enough that you're annoyed.. just don't become notorious for it |
| 09:58.19 | Airbottle | i have a problem while executing "make" for libtorrent, i got the error 'all-am' that there is nothing to do, and that he leaves maps, what is the problem here? |
| 09:59.21 | moshii | Airbottle: It's hard to say without output from make.. my guess id your build environment isn't complete or the source you have isn't buildable |
| 09:59.24 | b0rsuk | There's a ready, compiled driver module for my network card, except it's for amd64 etch, and - if you ask me - 64bit is not worth it, no benefit for extra hassle. |
| 09:59.33 | TapoutT | how do I add in the line so that the postgresql 8.2.5 source is there so apt-get can build it? |
| 09:59.51 | hoxu | Airbottle, you could show us the actual problem instead of your interpretation. Couldn't you've installed a package instead? |
| 10:00.06 | moshii | b0rsuk: What is the chipset of your nic.. also module-assistant is there to help with build external modules... |
| 10:01.03 | moshii | b0rsuk: also thhe debian amd64 port is notorious for being fairly complete. I've noticed every little hassle TBH. |
| 10:01.10 | Airbottle | can i paste the output somewhere? yes hoxu, but i want it this way because i modded a thing in the code. |
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| 10:01.49 | moshii | Airbottle: you modded a thing in the c.. um, you didn't add "the break code" mod did you? |
| 10:01.55 | hoxu | !tell Airbottle about paste |
| 10:01.58 | techrush | moshii, do you mean fairly complete in a positive or negative manner ? |
| 10:02.04 | techrush | just curious |
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| 10:02.32 | Airbottle | lol moshii i dont think its harmful, i just changed a number, thats it |
| 10:03.02 | moshii | techrush: Well for me there's only one thing missing, that's win32 codecs.. not too bothered |
| 10:03.08 | techrush | ok |
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| 10:03.28 | Airbottle | http://paste.debian.net/44931 |
| 10:03.52 | force | hi i have a drive that is detected in dmesg, but fdisk -l shows nothing, and it was beeping for a little while.. |
| 10:03.55 | force | do you think its stuffed? |
| 10:04.11 | hoxu | !localized errors |
| 10:04.11 | dpkg | localized errors is probably it's generally a good idea to set your locale to english when you need to show error messages to someone else |
| 10:04.32 | xand | force: what kind of drive? pastebin output of dmesg after plugging in |
| 10:04.57 | Airbottle | damn, i have to go, bbl |
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| 10:05.01 | force | well the only output in dmesg about the drive is 'ide1: BM-DMA at 0xffa8-0xffaf, BIOS settings: hdc:pio, hdd:pio' |
| 10:05.03 | xand | Airbottle: we can't read that. |
| 10:05.26 | Airbottle | i suspected that, thats why i tried to interpreted it :) |
| 10:05.43 | hoxu | (_ _) |
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| 10:05.46 | Zvpun | I have files .muttb1sbfv/ .muttBUy9Nd/ ... in my ~. What are these? Can I delete them? |
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| 10:05.50 | Airbottle | http://rakshasa.no/pipermail/libtorrent-devel/2007-January/001024.html but its the same message as this |
| 10:05.54 | xand | -d |
| 10:05.57 | xand | *-ed |
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| 10:06.03 | hoxu | Zvpun, wild guess: from mutt? |
| 10:06.19 | nostahl | anyone have experience setting up a D link wda-130 with movell chipset |
| 10:06.27 | xand | !anyone |
| 10:06.27 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone uses <someprogram>. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use <someprogram>?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls> |
| 10:06.46 | simonrvn | technically those are dirs, not files, but anyway... |
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| 10:07.25 | Zvpun | But what purpose do the directories serve? |
| 10:07.41 | hoxu | simonrvn, ssh, don't wake up the filesystem gurus or they'll prove you that directories are actually files |
| 10:07.59 | simonrvn | Zvpun: you tell me, you inserted / after the names |
| 10:08.06 | simonrvn | hoxu: of course they're file |
| 10:08.09 | xand | Zvpun: what's in them? |
| 10:08.09 | simonrvn | files |
| 10:08.42 | simonrvn | hoxu: trying not to confuse the newbies ;) |
| 10:09.13 | Zvpun | there is nothing in them. the only exception is .mutt/muttrc which I wont delete. |
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| 10:09.43 | xand | Zvpun: a guess would be temporary directories |
| 10:09.52 | simonrvn | Zvpun: my guess is those are temp file mutt+you editor left behind, since you haven't defined a dir where they can stay while you edit them |
| 10:09.57 | xand | Zvpun: try #mutt for a definitive answer |
| 10:10.32 | simonrvn | but i have been known to be full of shit, too |
| 10:10.32 | Zvpun | I asked in #mutt but noone answered |
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| 10:13.52 | Erik1 | how is the start-up of etch-apache2 organized ? i mean the order of the config files.... |
| 10:14.05 | liable | of the vhosts? |
| 10:14.18 | Erik1 | any ? I dunno |
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| 10:14.53 | Erik1 | f.i.: i have an /etc/apache and an /etc/apache2... |
| 10:15.33 | simonrvn | nope. though you can if you want, for your vhosts. apache and apache2 are different beasts, they won't use each other's files unless told |
| 10:15.33 | liable | /etc/apache is for 1.3 |
| 10:16.24 | mbroeker | Erik1, grep Include /etc/apache2/apache2.conf | sed "/#/ d" |
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| 10:17.08 | simonrvn | !tell lordrayden -about root |
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| 10:17.42 | Erik1 | mbroeker: that give me the sequence ? |
| 10:18.42 | Zvpun | Erik1: do you have apache installed or apache2? apt-cache policy apache; or dpkg -l apache* |
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| 10:19.30 | b0rsuk | moshii : I have Asus P5K SE, which has some kind of Attansic network card. As for hassle, I use Debian for desktop and games, so I'm picky. |
| 10:19.51 | Zvpun | Erik1: If you have only apache2 installed and have apache deinstalled you meight want to purge the configuration files of apache, dpkg --purge remove apache. |
| 10:20.19 | Caelum | how do I turn off AIGLX? |
| 10:20.22 | simonrvn | um, --purge, --purge remove is an apt-ism ;) |
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| 10:20.41 | Zvpun | sorry, I always forget that |
| 10:21.01 | simonrvn | Caelum: is it in xorg.con? i think you have to explicitly turn it on/off |
| 10:21.05 | simonrvn | conf |
| 10:21.15 | simonrvn | Zvpun: :) |
| 10:21.27 | b0rsuk | Caelum : Where does your nick come from ? |
| 10:21.29 | Caelum | simonrvn: don't have anything like that... but my xorg log shows that it got loaded |
| 10:21.34 | b0rsuk | I have some suspicions... |
| 10:21.39 | Erik1 | <PROTECTED> |
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| 10:21.55 | Caelum | b0rsuk: an old fantasy book |
| 10:22.07 | Erik1 | I got 2.2.3 |
| 10:22.08 | b0rsuk | Oh. I thought it was from Dominions 3. |
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| 10:22.28 | b0rsuk | There's a nation of winged angelic beings called Caelum. |
| 10:22.39 | simonrvn | Caelum: hm, dunno. |
| 10:22.45 | Caelum | b0rsuk: caelum is latin for sky :) |
| 10:23.02 | b0rsuk | Quiquid latine dictum sit, altum sonatur. |
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| 10:23.21 | Zvpun | Erik1: what about dpkg -l apache* |
| 10:23.36 | Zvpun | Erik1: this tells you whether you had apache installed at some point in time. |
| 10:24.08 | Zvpun | Erik1: if the first column shows rc than you have it deinstalled but the configuration was not deleted. |
| 10:24.30 | Erik1 | it says apache: none ; apache2: 2.2.3 |
| 10:24.47 | Zvpun | Erik1: and is there an rc infront of apache? |
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| 10:25.03 | Erik1 | no: there is "un" |
| 10:25.21 | Zvpun | Erik1: then you are fine and what I said does not apply |
| 10:25.40 | Erik1 | ok. so i could delete /etc/apache ? |
| 10:25.59 | Zvpun | Erik1: I would not delete /etc/apache unless I know what purpuse it serves |
| 10:26.00 | Erik1 | there is an /etc/apache2 |
| 10:26.07 | Erik1 | ok |
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| 10:26.49 | Zvpun | Erik1: if it belonged to apache dpkg -l apache* would have shown an rc (which means ressources still installed but program deinstalled) |
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| 10:28.02 | Erik1 | Zvpun: ok... |
| 10:28.07 | simonrvn | you know, you could do dpkg -S /etc/apache and see if anything turns up |
| 10:28.26 | simonrvn | if not, then rmdir |
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| 10:29.15 | Erik1 | simonrvn: I get " libapache-mod-php4: /etc/apache" with that one |
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| 10:30.02 | simonrvn | mm. it probably dropped a couple of php.* files in there |
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| 10:30.25 | kthakore | I keep getting a "hal failed to initalize" pop up on log in and I can't access cdrom and usb devices what can I do? |
| 10:31.11 | simonrvn | restart it and log out |
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| 10:32.19 | ghosTM55 | hello alls! |
| 10:32.27 | kthakore | simonrvn, tried over and over again |
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| 10:34.40 | simonrvn | kthakore: what did you restart? |
| 10:35.01 | kthakore | simonrvn, hal by way of /etc/init.d/hal restart |
| 10:35.49 | simonrvn | should do it via the dbus script, they're linked; that one restarts one or more |
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| 10:36.55 | shoo | hey |
| 10:37.00 | kthakore | tried that to but when I restart the comp it still gives me the same error and I still can't access my cds or usb devices |
| 10:37.03 | shoo | how do you stop X from starting when the computer boots |
| 10:37.08 | shoo | i want to just go to a terminal |
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| 10:37.36 | kthakore | ctrl alt f1 |
| 10:37.41 | simonrvn | ctrl-alt-F1 [f2, f3, ...] |
| 10:37.49 | kthakore | beat u |
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| 10:38.15 | kthakore | simonrvn, where can I see errors mad by hal trying to start |
| 10:38.19 | simonrvn | kthakore: hm, time for some debugging (beat me? i didn't know we were in a contest) |
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| 10:38.33 | simonrvn | sh -x /the/script foo |
| 10:38.36 | kthakore | simonrvn, yes we were |
| 10:38.43 | simonrvn | o_O |
| 10:38.51 | shoo | kthakore, but i dont want x to be running at all |
| 10:39.02 | shoo | it uses lots of resources |
| 10:39.22 | kthakore | huh? confuded what is x and the/script/ foo stuff |
| 10:39.23 | simonrvn | shoo: /msg dpkg nodm |
| 10:39.38 | simonrvn | sh -x /etc/init.d/dbus restart |
| 10:40.32 | shoo | well i dont want to remove it |
| 10:40.40 | shoo | i just want to disable it |
| 10:40.43 | kthakore | + service=hal |
| 10:40.44 | kthakore | + invoke-rc.d hal start |
| 10:40.44 | kthakore | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:40.54 | kthakore | well it starts but still no cd? |
| 10:41.21 | simonrvn | shoo: keep reading |
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| 10:42.11 | simonrvn | you expectng it to mount the thing? how about you let it know it's there? ;) |
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| 10:42.41 | kthakore | well it used to mount automagically |
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| 10:43.05 | kthakore | also when I do mount it now I get as an icon call iso9660 volume |
| 10:43.20 | kthakore | and I can't copy large files from it |
| 10:43.49 | simonrvn | eject it, then re-insert it |
| 10:44.04 | simonrvn | (that's what i meant by "telling it" BTW) |
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| 10:44.27 | kthakore | oh I did that |
| 10:44.52 | simonrvn | ok. and still not automounting? check your settings, they ok? |
| 10:45.08 | simonrvn | (i'm just trying to cover all the bases) |
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| 10:45.23 | kthakore | check which settings? |
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| 10:45.45 | kthakore | brb |
| 10:45.46 | simonrvn | your preferences or whatever, they set to do that? |
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| 10:46.20 | shoo | simonrvn, ok i put false into /etc/X11/default-display-manager |
| 10:46.37 | shoo | but when i restart dbus i still get gdm |
| 10:46.42 | simonrvn | there ya go |
| 10:47.14 | simonrvn | shoo: stop gdm, it won't run it on boot. why would you restart dbus? |
| 10:47.24 | shoo | u pasted it? |
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| 10:47.52 | kthakore | simonrvn I have got ubuntu gutsy its set to do that from install and it was doing that |
| 10:48.11 | simonrvn | shoo: pasted? |
| 10:48.32 | shoo | oh nevermind |
| 10:48.35 | shoo | i think i got it now |
| 10:48.36 | shoo | thanks |
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| 10:48.48 | simonrvn | i don't know ubuntu, and that's their thing. if their dbus is fucked it's not fault |
| 10:48.57 | simonrvn | shoo: ok |
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| 10:54.32 | ronr | I got a laptop I need to share with a windows user, currently the whole disk is used by windows, I want to set up debian on the same hd, can the debian installation proces resize the partition (ie. move some free gigabytes into an ext3 filesystem)? |
| 10:55.29 | simonrvn | no, you'll have to do that from windows |
| 10:55.52 | Zvpun | ronr: I have used http://gparted.sourceforge.net/ for that, there is a live cd link on the left side |
| 10:56.16 | maddash | goodbye-microsoft.com |
| 10:57.37 | b0rsuk | ronr : there shouldn't be much problem with resizing free space. I mean, Ubuntu can do that, so many people will jump in and say anything ubuntu can do, Debian can do better. |
| 10:57.59 | b0rsuk | I would be more worried about resizing existing partitions. But resizing free space should be easy. |
| 10:58.30 | Zvpun | b0rsuk: how can one resize free space? I think that doesn't make sense. |
| 10:58.41 | b0rsuk | Zvpun : good point. |
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| 10:59.27 | b0rsuk | Well, you can make free space smaller by making a partition out of it. I hope that's what he meant. |
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| 11:00.36 | Zvpun | b0rsuk: ah, I see. Although it's quite unlikely to have free space on a preinstalled pc imho |
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| 11:02.35 | ronr | Zvpun: I don't see the live cd link, I think I do have an old ubuntu live cd somewhere around here, does that come with the package? (I want to install debian, but don't mind using ubuntu to make that happen) |
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| 11:04.12 | pagenoare | hi |
| 11:04.17 | pagenoare | i have ati radeon x550 |
| 11:04.21 | pagenoare | and i have same problem |
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| 11:04.29 | pagenoare | i installed fglrx |
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| 11:04.44 | pagenoare | and if i use my system much time |
| 11:05.29 | pagenoare | next to cursor show *black stripes* |
| 11:05.57 | b0rsuk | Can anyone with etch give me the output of uname -r ? |
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| 11:06.10 | b0rsuk | Is it 2.6.18 or 2.6.18-4 ? I need -4 . |
| 11:06.18 | b0rsuk | For the driver module to work. |
| 11:06.43 | b0rsuk | Does Etch use 2.6.18 or 2.6.18-4 by default ? |
| 11:06.58 | ronr | b0rsuk: I got an up2date etch running -5 |
| 11:07.43 | b0rsuk | ronr : I'm downloading a current netinstall amd64, and i really need to know if it's 2.6.18 or 18-4 . I've found ethernet drivers for -4 |
| 11:07.54 | b0rsuk | Distrowatch says etch has 2.6.18 |
| 11:08.06 | simonrvn | -4 is just a debian revision |
| 11:08.17 | ronr | b0rsuk: yeah, afaik current etch kernel is 2.6.18-5 |
| 11:08.47 | b0rsuk | So if I want 2.6.18-4 kernel, I need to download a netinst from April ? |
| 11:08.47 | ronr | b0rsuk: that's i386 though, not amd64 |
| 11:08.56 | simonrvn | !cd contents |
| 11:08.56 | dpkg | To find out what is on what cd, use the searchable index at http://www.debian.org/CD/jigdo-cd/#search or download the .jigdo template from the same location and zless fooimage.jigdo. In the [Parts] section you will see the list of packages that are contained in the cd. Also ask me about <cd contents sarge>. |
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| 11:09.30 | b0rsuk | Thanks |
| 11:09.45 | simonrvn | :) |
| 11:10.49 | manu_hack | nevermind, what should be put in the type column for sandisk? auto didn't work ... |
| 11:10.58 | pagenoare | any ideas? |
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| 11:11.43 | b0rsuk | Yah, it looks like it's 18-4 . |
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| 11:12.09 | simonrvn | thought it might be, but was just semi-educated gues |
| 11:12.12 | simonrvn | s |
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| 11:13.47 | b0rsuk | I'm not sure if I read the output right, though. I searched for 'linux' . |
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| 11:17.06 | b0rsuk | Nuking Kubuntu in 3...2...1... |
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| 11:20.32 | Eclipser | where is the login message set? |
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| 11:30.04 | CAiRO_ | when i've copied some ttf fonts to /usr/share/fonts/truetype, what do i have to do so applications recognize them? |
| 11:30.05 | DustyBin | "Software innovation, like almost every other kind of innovation, requires the ability to collaborate and share ideas with other people, and to sit down and talk with customers and get their feedback and understand their needs," - Bill Gates |
| 11:30.09 | DustyBin | http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/7143417.stm |
| 11:30.21 | LimCore | how to set by hand some refresh rates for my LCD? the default ones available don't work well |
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| 11:31.16 | edistar | I get "alsamixer: function snd_ctl_open failed for default: No such device" when I try to run alsamixer, it worked for about 2 month till today, and the only thing i did yesterday was install virtualbox, I have removed that program but it still wont work, can anyone help? |
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| 11:31.51 | edistar | LimCore: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg |
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| 11:32.12 | lonejack | hi all, does somebody know if it is possible to adopt wacom table(mouse+pen) for desktop? |
| 11:33.00 | DustyBin | kde4 sounds excellent, i think that will be my desktop of choice once that gets through debian |
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| 11:33.44 | b0rsuk | Not so fast. |
| 11:35.20 | b0rsuk | I booted amd64 Etch from USB. I loaded Attansic (atl1.ko) driver module and it worked. It even detected my network. What it didn't detect was my HDD. When it came to setting up partitions, it only detected my flash drive. Debian installer doesn' see my HDD. I tried mounting /dev/sda1 and others, but all I get is "no media found" |
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| 11:36.05 | DustyBin | http://snipurl.com/1vbhl |
| 11:36.18 | b0rsuk | How to make the installer see my scsi HDD if I boot from USB ? It only sees my flash drive. |
| 11:36.52 | zinx | SCSI or SATA? |
| 11:37.03 | b0rsuk | Errr, sata. |
| 11:37.13 | zinx | load the correct SATA driver, if one exists.. |
| 11:37.13 | b0rsuk | It's almost the same, 4 letters and starts with 's'. |
| 11:37.18 | zinx | you may need to get a newer installer |
| 11:37.38 | edistar | my sound seems to only work if I am root, how do I change that? |
| 11:37.49 | b0rsuk | How do I know which driver is correct ? My installer is recent etch amd64 |
| 11:37.54 | b0rsuk | and hd-media |
| 11:37.55 | zinx | edistar: add your user to the 'audio' group, most likely |
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| 11:38.01 | edistar | zinx: thx |
| 11:38.10 | zinx | edistar: you will need to re-login |
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| 11:38.32 | edistar | zinx: ah, ok |
| 11:38.38 | edistar | zinx: with addgroup? |
| 11:38.43 | zinx | b0rsuk: you check to see what motherboard chipset you have, or possibly use lspci |
| 11:38.54 | zinx | edistar: or adduser - adduser yourusername audio |
| 11:39.06 | edistar | zinx: many thanks |
| 11:39.18 | edistar | works again:) |
| 11:39.21 | edistar | zinx: brilliant ; |
| 11:39.23 | edistar | ;) |
| 11:39.26 | b0rsuk | Can't you just edit /etc/group for that ? |
| 11:39.30 | manu_hack | when i shutdown my laptop i got the message saying the hd might not be spun down properly and refer me to http://linux-ata.org/shutdown.html, so what's that about? is that an issue on debian testing? |
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| 11:39.41 | zinx | b0rsuk: editing /etc/group by hand is not a good idea |
| 11:39.51 | b0rsuk | zinx : why's that ? |
| 11:40.04 | zinx | b0rsuk: because it may be left in an inconsistent state when something accesses it |
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| 11:40.56 | zinx | (i.e., the same reason you should always use visudo to edit the sudoers file) |
| 11:41.09 | b0rsuk | zinx : when I boot Debian installer from USB, it should also see my sata hdd by default, right ? |
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| 11:41.15 | zinx | b0rsuk: yes |
| 11:42.33 | b0rsuk | zinx : what's the point of having configuration files you're not supposed to edit ? |
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| 11:45.54 | zinx | b0rsuk: uh, you're not not supposed to edit them. you're supposed to use a particular program to edit them. |
| 11:46.37 | b0rsuk | I guess I may try debootstrap after all... |
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| 11:48.28 | Echizen | hallo, kann mir einer helfen, wie ich syslinux 2.11 installieren kann? Beim kompilieren der sourcen kommt immer das Problem, dass das Kommando mingw-gcc nicht gefunden wurde. |
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| 11:48.55 | bullgard4 | Synaptic writes: "The 'capplets-data' package contains data files (icons, pixmaps, locales files) needed by the configuration applets in the gnome-control-center package." What are 'configuration applets'? |
| 11:50.33 | Jyzygzel- | does anyone know how to use rsync so that it does not overwrite |
| 11:50.42 | Echizen | Is there anybody who knows how to get mingw-gcc i need because of syslinux 2.11(compile) |
| 11:50.54 | Jyzygzel- | so if there is a same file on the target and destination it jsut skips |
| 11:51.43 | Echizen | same file he skips, only if the file isn't exact the same, then he will not skip. |
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| 11:54.21 | Jyzygzel- | hmm? |
| 11:54.22 | Jyzygzel- | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:54.22 | Jyzygzel- | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:54.30 | Jyzygzel- | i don't understand those |
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| 11:55.23 | b0rsuk | Is there any guide on how to install Debian with debootstrap ? I can't find anything reasonable. |
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| 11:55.44 | b0rsuk | I mean a full install, overwriting my root (/) partition. |
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| 11:56.06 | zinx | b0rsuk: you can't overwrite / in-place |
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| 11:56.24 | zinx | you can install to /new-debian or something and then mv everything |
| 11:56.34 | b0rsuk | zinx : so I have to, for example, mkdir lenny and then chroot to it or what ? |
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| 11:56.39 | zinx | but you're better off getting the installer CD worknig |
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| 11:56.44 | zinx | perhaps by using a newer installer |
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| 11:56.58 | eth01 | b0rsuk, no. Are you wanting to install debian lenny from fresh, or something? |
| 11:57.08 | _abc_ | reh |
| 11:57.10 | b0rsuk | I want to replace my kubuntu with lenny |
| 11:57.17 | b0rsuk | Permanently. |
| 11:57.51 | eth01 | i'd just format the HDD and install debian lenny, imho. |
| 11:58.02 | eth01 | of course, taking a backup of data |
| 11:58.19 | b0rsuk | eth01 : Not on asus P5K SE mobo. After booting from cd it says "no common cdrom drive was found" |
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| 11:58.38 | MeTfR1 | morgen :D |
| 11:58.46 | b0rsuk | Morgen :=/ |
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| 11:59.07 | MeTfR1 | ich hatte bei mir mal nen ipv6 tunnel via anycast eingerichtet. |
| 11:59.09 | eth01 | b0rsuk, check the BIOS, then? |
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| 11:59.12 | MeTfR1 | irgendwie ist der jetzt down |
| 11:59.20 | MeTfR1 | aber starten kann ich ihn per ifup nicht. |
| 11:59.24 | eth01 | !de |
| 11:59.25 | dpkg | deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de (auf irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net oder irc.belwue.de) - German speaking users please go to #debian.de (on irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net or irc.belwue.de) |
| 11:59.29 | kLinGo | aaaa |
| 11:59.33 | MeTfR1 | oh |
| 11:59.33 | b0rsuk | I did. It's some kind of problem with Marvel chipset. |
| 11:59.33 | MeTfR1 | :D |
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| 11:59.56 | b0rsuk | In Kubuntu, I just generic.all_generic_ide=1 , but it says "unknown boot option" in Debian |
| 12:00.00 | sielay | hi could anyone look on it... I walked quite long aroud integrating my apache with subversion made from source and after finding that my dav mod is broken I started to think about building it from .deb... I made apt-get install libapache2-svn and ... i have that mess ... i know that it's becasue I deleted something in the past... any tip for dummy how to reinstall that missing dav? |
| 12:00.00 | sielay | http://pastebin.ca/817266 |
| 12:00.02 | eth01 | b0rsuk, checked for a BIOS update? |
| 12:00.05 | kLinGo | hi e-body :) |
| 12:00.06 | _abc_ | I was going to type nabend but I bit my fingers |
| 12:00.38 | b0rsuk | eth01 : No, I'd rather stay with Kubuntu until Lenny is bootable from USB than mess up with my BIOS |
| 12:00.52 | b0rsuk | eth01 : Do you know, perchance, how to boot Lenny from USB ? |
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| 12:01.37 | eth01 | b0rsuk, this may help you, http://wiki.debian.org/BootUsb |
| 12:01.38 | b0rsuk | What is the EXACT netinstall .iso and hd-media I should use ? The ones I used said there's a mismatch between kernel and installer, or something like that. |
| 12:02.34 | zinx | b0rsuk: you need an installer with a newer kernel |
| 12:02.43 | eth01 | probably this, http://ftp.nl.debian.org/debian/dists/etch/main/installer-i386/current/images/ |
| 12:03.20 | b0rsuk | zinx : Are you sure I can use etch installer for Lenny ? |
| 12:03.32 | b0rsuk | And you mean hd-media + lenny netinstall, right ? |
| 12:04.16 | zinx | b0rsuk: i don't know if you can |
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| 12:05.48 | eth01 | you can upgrade from etch to lenny, yes. |
| 12:06.04 | eth01 | modify sources.list, then apt-get update, apt-get dist-upgrade ... |
| 12:06.26 | b0rsuk | eth01 : BootUsb page is about booting, but not installing, from USB |
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| 12:06.36 | b0rsuk | It talks about Puppy Linux, Knoppix etc. |
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| 12:06.44 | eth01 | b0rsuk, oh |
| 12:07.14 | zinx | that controller looks fubar |
| 12:07.23 | zinx | from some random dmesg dumps i see on the web |
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| 12:07.42 | Chameleon22 | hi all |
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| 12:09.12 | kLinGo | is there a way to verify RAID 1 working ? raid is set up through BIOS, so no software raid driver |
| 12:09.25 | b0rsuk | I'd love to upgrade from etch to lenny, but 1) etch doesn't see my dvd drive. Kubuntu manages with generic.all_generic_ide=1 2) When booting installer from USB, it doesn't see my network card (Attansic something). When booting from USB with drivers for Attansic, it doesn't detect my sata hdd and I have nowhere to install to. |
| 12:09.30 | kLinGo | i'm on a HP, with debian |
| 12:09.44 | zinx | kLinGo: only if you have an adaptec controller |
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| 12:10.51 | kLinGo | Press <Ctrl><A> for Adaptec RAID Configuration Utility |
| 12:10.52 | kLinGo | or |
| 12:10.52 | kLinGo | Press <F8> for HP Embedded SATA Setup |
| 12:11.01 | kLinGo | zinx: it seems i dont have. |
| 12:11.07 | Chameleon22 | I've setup a serial console (using old laptop). Both: normal output and kernel boot msgs get sent to the monitor and serial however when I plug something directly into the server machine (e.g. a USB drive) kernel messages only get echoed onto a local (pts/0) console and not onto a serial one. Can anybody suggest how I can redirect all kernel messages that get echoed on local monitor into a serial console as well (both ttyS0 a |
| 12:11.07 | Chameleon22 | nd 1). |
| 12:11.12 | kLinGo | zinx: i am the one pressing F* |
| 12:11.14 | kLinGo | F8 |
| 12:11.16 | kLinGo | :) |
| 12:11.31 | b0rsuk | :( |
| 12:11.42 | zinx | b0rsuk: it seems there is something very screwy with the IDE controller on that board |
| 12:12.12 | zinx | kLinGo: lspci will give you a better idea |
| 12:12.37 | kLinGo | sometimes i feel like i'm speaking english like writing an poem |
| 12:12.54 | kLinGo | zinx: ok, i'll list those pci's :) |
| 12:12.56 | zinx | b0rsuk: there are suggestions to put the SATA/IDE controller in to compatibility mode |
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| 12:13.03 | zinx | b0rsuk: (via a BIOS option) |
| 12:13.51 | b0rsuk | zinx : I think I tried that. It's either already in compatibility mode, or there's no such option. I don't remember. |
| 12:14.43 | b0rsuk | Another idea : why does installer says "unknown boot option" about generic.all_generic_ide=1 ? It's right there if you press F3 before boot ! |
| 12:15.11 | zinx | b0rsuk: because it's not a known option for that kernel |
| 12:15.11 | kLinGo | zinx: no adaptec in lspci |
| 12:15.30 | zinx | kLinGo: then there's probably no way to see the RAID status except via the BIOS |
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| 12:16.53 | kLinGo | zinx: in bios , i can see the array set-up,...but i would like to check it :). so the only way it was even built allright is to disconnect the first disk as if it failed. |
| 12:17.17 | kLinGo | ...the only way to check it ... |
| 12:17.17 | zinx | hmm, sid has a lot more RAID status tools.. or i just didn't see them before |
| 12:17.43 | sielay | could I kindly ask for a little attention, maybe some chat on priv... I have problem with packages, I want to install libapache-svn but it says that dav dependency not exist... |
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| 12:20.20 | kLinGo | what is the best linux irc client? |
| 12:20.28 | zinx | !best |
| 12:20.28 | dpkg | Best for what? Please define what you mean by "best". Gloria Gaynor! Tina Turner! Aretha Franklin! Men without Hats! Women without Hats! Men at Work! Women at Play! Anyone for Tennis! |
| 12:20.54 | kLinGo | best ever :) |
| 12:20.58 | kLinGo | best for a lamer |
| 12:20.59 | kLinGo | :) |
| 12:21.45 | zinx | try several and use the one you like |
| 12:22.26 | Chameleon22 | sielay, totally on a tangent (and perhaps not as helpful but), in case you are planning to install Subversion and using a tutorial of some sort - use SVN over SSH, not SVN over WebDAV |
| 12:22.34 | b0rsuk | Hmm. I've found grml-debootstrap |
| 12:22.40 | kLinGo | zinx: maybe i would like one that runs in console and also X |
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| 12:23.34 | sielay | chameleon22, does tortosie or subclipse support svn+ssh? |
| 12:24.00 | moshii | kLinGo: the best can be install via the mythical dummy package known as "taste" |
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| 12:24.29 | Chameleon22 | sielay, that I am not sure, I always use command line for it, but I suppose reading googling for it would yield an answer within minutes. |
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| 12:24.58 | Chameleon22 | sielay, from memory tortosie should. Don't quote me on that though. |
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| 12:25.55 | sielay | ok thanks... maybe that will be clue... beacuse that bloody webdav makes me freaken |
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| 12:26.21 | Chameleon22 | sielay, TortoiseSVN 1.4.5 supports svn-ssh |
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| 12:26.33 | Chameleon22 | sielay, svn+ssh rather |
| 12:27.01 | sielay | do you remember should I run some special deamon from subversion or only sshd |
| 12:27.25 | Chameleon22 | sielay, sshd and svn will work fine, just make sure to do few things: |
| 12:28.28 | Chameleon22 | sielay, 1: export ssh keys to checkout to a machine without the need to type the ssh password one gazillion times; and 2: add user you are planning to do SVN checkouts over SSH into SVN group within the /etc/group file |
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| 12:28.43 | Erik1 | I have this Canon ip4200 printer. Linux/Debian does not support this machine very well.. anyone has the thing working correctly ? Mine only does B/W without errors, but when I try to print a web page, f.i., all colors are displeced/messed up.. |
| 12:29.44 | sielay | ok I'll try |
| 12:30.03 | Chameleon22 | sielay, are you planning to check out to windows? |
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| 12:30.25 | Chameleon22 | sielay, svn checkout that is. |
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| 12:31.05 | Chameleon22 | does anybody know how to redirect kernel messages into a serial port (serial terminal) as well as the local console (pts/0 or wtv is is)? |
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| 12:31.23 | Chameleon22 | serial console i mean, not serial terminal |
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| 12:34.11 | sielay | Chameleon22, hmmm you know funny thing i try to do svn+ssh://myhost/home/svn/repo and response is : invalid port number |
| 12:34.45 | sielay | but my ssh works on defualt 22 |
| 12:35.00 | Chameleon22 | hold on |
| 12:35.42 | Erik1 | I have this Canon ip4200 printer. Linux/Debian does not support this machine very well.. anyone has the thing working correctly ? Mine only does B/W without errors, but when I try to print a web page, f.i., all colors are displeced/messed up.. |
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| 12:36.28 | Chameleon22 | sielay, do you have svn client and ssh client installed on the machine you are trying to do a checkout from |
| 12:36.49 | Chameleon22 | i.e. client |
| 12:37.01 | sielay | putty |
| 12:37.09 | sielay | tortoise is linked to putty |
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| 12:37.54 | Chameleon22 | sielay, k this is venturing into uncharted territory for me since I don't use tortoise but lets go through it anyway. |
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| 12:39.09 | Chameleon22 | sielay, can you see an explicit set of setting in tortoise where you define a host, port and protocol you are connecting to? I know that putty usues telnet by default so perhaps you need to set all that up (unless you already have, in which case i am out of ideas) |
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| 12:39.48 | sielay | maybe i'd be able to set default protocol from comandline while running putty |
| 12:39.59 | Chameleon22 | sielay, nfi dude |
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| 12:41.27 | kestaz | where to find terminal backgrounds ? i want cool ones.. |
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| 12:44.08 | b0rsuk | bleh |
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| 12:50.02 | kairu0 | problem: sometimes my usb keyboard stops responding. layout: pc -> usb extension -> usb hub -> keyboard + mouse. question: should i replace the extension or the keyboard itself? |
| 12:50.21 | xand | try it without the extension cable? |
| 12:50.35 | xand | usb extension cables can violate the usb spec |
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| 12:50.53 | Erik1 | which printermaker is known for its linux support ? My Canon is hopeless |
| 12:50.58 | kairu0 | xand, thanks i'll try it |
| 12:51.28 | bullgard4 | Synaptic writes: "The 'capplets-data' package contains data files (icons, pixmaps, locales files) needed by the configuration applets in the gnome-control-center package." What are 'configuration applets'? |
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| 12:53.14 | kairu0 | xand, btw for just an old keyboard and mouse, is it necessary to have a usb2.0 extension? |
| 12:53.49 | xand | no |
| 12:54.01 | xand | see also ##hardware |
| 12:54.12 | kairu0 | thanks |
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| 13:04.38 | tumik | Hi! How can I remove eth0 and rename eth1 to eth0? My eth0 isn't currently working because I have removed that network card.. |
| 13:05.16 | cahoot | !z25 |
| 13:05.16 | dpkg | z25 is, like, as of version 0.090, udev has the ability to statically rename ethernet cards based on MAC address. The addresses are configured in /etc/udev/rules.d/z25_persistent-net.rules . If you want the mappings to change, edit that file. If you don't want udev to touch your interface names, remove that file and z45_persistent-net-generator.rules in the same directory. |
| 13:05.22 | DDave | tumik, if im right you should change it in /etc/interfaces |
| 13:05.24 | cahoot | tumik: ^^ |
| 13:05.34 | tumik | cahoot; thx |
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| 13:06.09 | alterego | Has anyone managed to install a 64 bit version of debian on a Core2Duo based system? |
| 13:06.14 | alterego | I couldn't get the CD to boot .. |
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| 13:14.59 | jelly-home | alterego: you can try an installation image with newer kernel, /msg dpkg kmuto |
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| 13:15.27 | gamag | hi |
| 13:15.44 | gamag | I have dist-upgraded to lenny. Linux cave 2.6.18-4-486 #1 Wed May 9 22:23:40 UTC 2007 i686 GNU/Linux |
| 13:15.51 | gamag | that is my uname -a |
| 13:16.06 | gamag | the /boot dir has got vmlinuz-2.6.22-2-486 |
| 13:16.15 | gamag | then why isn't that the active kernel. |
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| 13:16.26 | gamag | why is it still using the old vmlinuz-2.6.18-4-486? |
| 13:16.27 | cahoot | rebooted? |
| 13:16.32 | gamag | cahoot: yes |
| 13:17.22 | techouse | which packages do i need to install for java re 1.6? |
| 13:17.27 | alterego | gamag, you need to update your /boot/grub/menu.lst file. |
| 13:17.38 | cahoot | either you choose wornge kernel or menu.lst point to wrong kernel |
| 13:17.47 | alterego | techouse, you can download it from Sun's website ;) |
| 13:17.54 | eth01 | or, use apt-get ;) |
| 13:17.55 | techouse | well i did that |
| 13:18.03 | gamag | alterego why doesn't dist-upgrade do that automatically? |
| 13:18.05 | techouse | but azureus still says 1.5 |
| 13:18.26 | psyche_ | http://rafb.net/p/Sbo7pH49.html |
| 13:18.30 | gamag | cahoot: what do you mean by i chose wrong kernel? I am sorry I didn't understand you. Because I only did aptitude dist-upgrade |
| 13:18.31 | techouse | the azureus from apt-get says 1.5 |
| 13:18.34 | psyche_ | can someone say whats wrong with my ipatbles config |
| 13:18.38 | techouse | the one from azureus.com says 1.6 |
| 13:18.48 | techouse | there's something wrong here |
| 13:19.04 | psyche_ | i have gateway and there is iptables, and then i have webserver inside my lan, and i want to reroute port 80 into that webserver |
| 13:19.12 | techouse | both azureuses are the same version |
| 13:19.14 | cahoot | gamag: maybe you did choose wrong kernel at reboot |
| 13:19.47 | gamag | cahoot : in the boot it doesn't give an option for the new kernel |
| 13:20.05 | cahoot | gamag: then check /boot/grub/menu.lst |
| 13:20.12 | gamag | cahoot : I had edited the menu.lst file long back, it is still the same. the dist-upgrade has not modified it to include the new kernel options, why so? |
| 13:20.39 | cahoot | gamag: don't know - it should do so by default |
| 13:20.51 | gamag | cahoot : oh my! it does have the options for the new kernel. my bad. :( |
| 13:21.06 | gamag | cahoot : thank you for your patience. |
| 13:22.01 | cahoot | gamag: you don't happen to have more than one grub installations on the system? |
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| 13:29.24 | wols | psyche_: nothing at all for portforwarding |
| 13:29.30 | wols | phrozen77: why don't you use ipmasq? |
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| 13:29.44 | psyche_ | wols there is? |
| 13:29.58 | psyche_ | D[D[D[D[D[D[D[D /sbin/iptables -A FORWARD -i $ppp -o $lan -d 192.168.1.3 -p tcp --dport 80 -j ACCEPT |
| 13:30.06 | psyche_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:30.12 | wols | tat is no portforward |
| 13:30.13 | becks` | hi, is it possible to use tcpdump to print SIP packets? (which are udp...) |
| 13:30.18 | wols | *that |
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| 13:30.26 | psyche_ | wols so whats right line? |
| 13:30.29 | psyche_ | give example |
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| 13:30.39 | psyche_ | all manuals i have read that was right |
| 13:30.41 | wols | -t nat -A PREROUTING |
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| 13:30.49 | liable | becks`: tcpdump will dump evrything if you tell it to |
| 13:31.05 | gamag | after booting with the new 2.6.22 kernel, it says, "screens found, but none has a usable configuration". I am back to console. :-( |
| 13:31.06 | abrotman | liable: SIP is UDP |
| 13:31.08 | gamag | please help |
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| 13:31.36 | abrotman | gamag: nvidia? |
| 13:31.37 | becks` | liable but is it possible to let him print sip messages? like INVITE blah blah |
| 13:31.42 | gamag | abrotman: yes |
| 13:32.00 | wols | becks`: check wireshark for that. tcpdump doesn't do protocol decoding |
| 13:32.07 | reiser2 | any body here know something about Rack servers |
| 13:32.09 | reiser2 | ? |
| 13:32.21 | gamag | I have the proper drivers from nvidia.com installed. |
| 13:32.28 | wols | reiser2: you've asked before and got answers before |
| 13:32.37 | wols | reiser2: don't ask such shitty questions with "anyone" |
| 13:32.37 | liable | abrotman: even though it says tcp, i am pretty sure it dumps everything from a monitor mode iface |
| 13:32.56 | wols | gamag: we don't support nvidia.com drivers. |
| 13:32.57 | cahoot | gamag: probably not in the modules tree of the new kernel |
| 13:33.09 | reiser2 | wols: i want to know how i can configure linux to connect with this server using serial |
| 13:33.15 | gamag | cahoot: how can i check that? |
| 13:33.25 | gamag | wols: where should I ask? #nvidia? |
| 13:33.41 | wols | reiser2: you've been told yesterday to google for a serial console linux howto |
| 13:33.46 | wols | gamag: yes |
| 13:33.50 | cahoot | gamag: you have to reinstall nvidia for each new kernel |
| 13:34.04 | reiser2 | ok thanks |
| 13:34.07 | gamag | cahoot : oh! because it uses the kernel headers to compile or something. |
| 13:34.08 | wols | cahoot: and every mesa update |
| 13:34.22 | wols | gamag: no. cause you installed nvidia.com drivers |
| 13:34.34 | daya | hi channel, is there is any documentation on modifying debian-installer |
| 13:34.41 | gamag | wols : didn't understand you. why? |
| 13:34.44 | antoniojulio | it's possible load balancing tree web servers then iptables? |
| 13:34.57 | antoniojulio | it's possible load balancing tree web servers with iptables? |
| 13:35.03 | abrotman | three? |
| 13:35.04 | liable | abrotman: i usually use wireshark, but the both use libpcap, and wireshark sumps them all |
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| 13:35.20 | liable | s/sumps/dumps |
| 13:35.28 | liable | / |
| 13:35.41 | antoniojulio | 3 ok sorry, in the last nigth i go to dancing parti 0:-) |
| 13:35.50 | gamag | wols: cahoot: why is it that we have to reinstall it for every kernel and mesa update. i want to understand the concept/reason behind it. |
| 13:36.08 | wols | gamag: cause it breaks your package management |
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| 13:36.14 | wols | gamag: and ignores it |
| 13:36.35 | gamag | wols : ok |
| 13:36.39 | reiser2 | i found one to configure linux to accept serial connections |
| 13:37.02 | abrotman | gamag: nvidia.com installer doesnt' care about debian or how it works |
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| 13:37.05 | reiser2 | but what about conect linux using serial to a server, when this server have no OS |
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| 13:38.10 | abrotman | reiser2: the howto covers that |
| 13:38.28 | reiser2 | can you recomend one? |
| 13:38.38 | wols | reiser2: there is only one howto |
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| 13:39.18 | reiser2 | i found this http://tldp.org/HOWTO/Serial-HOWTO.html |
| 13:39.27 | abrotman | bah .. nvidia.com installer *and* bitchx .. he's in trouble |
| 13:39.52 | Ronin | abrotman: heh |
| 13:40.26 | solemnwarning | What init system is planned in lenny anyway? |
| 13:40.41 | abrotman | oh .. that reminds me |
| 13:40.42 | wols | solemnwarning: the same as for sarge, for woody, etch, etc |
| 13:40.48 | solemnwarning | sysvinit? |
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| 13:40.51 | o2T7 | hi |
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| 13:40.58 | abrotman | solemnwarning: which would you like to see? |
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| 13:41.15 | solemnwarning | Some parallel init daemon like init-ng or upstart |
| 13:41.24 | abrotman | solemnwarning: init-ng is dead upstream |
| 13:41.34 | solemnwarning | It's a pain in the ass when a service before SSH freezes the bootup on a console-less serverr |
| 13:41.39 | solemnwarning | abrotman: Is it? |
| 13:41.47 | abrotman | i thought it was last i checked |
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| 13:42.06 | abrotman | upstart isn't even in unstable |
| 13:42.06 | gamag | hi |
| 13:42.10 | gamag | i am back |
| 13:42.14 | solemnwarning | aww |
| 13:42.26 | wols | gamag: we are not blind but sometimes we wish we'd be |
| 13:42.49 | gamag | wols: ha ha ha ha |
| 13:42.55 | gamag | now I want to know one more thing |
| 13:42.59 | abrotman | White |
| 13:43.04 | gamag | i have 2.6.22 now |
| 13:43.21 | gamag | but when I check the package dependency of linux-image in aptitude, it depends on 2.6.23 |
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| 13:43.29 | gamag | so it seems, things have changed rapidly in lenny |
| 13:43.41 | gamag | now how can I install this new kernel as well as its kernel headers? |
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| 13:43.46 | abrotman | spliced-nipra: it appears initng was removed from debian |
| 13:43.50 | gamag | without having to do a complete dist-upgrade right now |
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| 13:44.40 | abrotman | solemnwarning: http://www.initng.org/ .. guess it's not dead .. maybe the maintainer just didn't like it |
| 13:44.48 | liable | gamag: things can move rapidly in lenny, if you have an older kernel you want to install headers for, you need to go to s.d.n or just upgrade your kernel and get headers for that. theres a reason why it got upgraded |
| 13:44.56 | zinx | abrotman: i don't think it ever worked right on debian |
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| 13:45.19 | abrotman | http://alioth.debian.org/projects/pkg-initng/ |
| 13:45.20 | gamag | liable: what is s.d.n? sorry I am new to all these. |
| 13:45.29 | abrotman | zinx: i tried a few times .. my system never finished booting :) |
| 13:45.34 | wols | gamag: with aptitude install |
| 13:45.47 | wols | !sdn |
| 13:45.47 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, sdn is go to http://snapshot.debian.net to get older packages. Almost every single package since somewhere in 2002 is here. year 2004 is largely lost because of harddisk problems. |
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| 13:46.00 | abrotman | http://blog.space-based.de/2007/05/debians-initng-package-orphaned/ |
| 13:46.01 | zinx | abrotman: there you go :D |
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| 13:46.16 | uzbek | good day all! |
| 13:46.18 | gamag | liable: can I simple do aptitude upgrade linux-image-486? |
| 13:46.21 | liable | gamag: if you are going to run lenny, just get used to having to dist-upgrade often, or put up with borkedness |
| 13:46.23 | gamag | wols: ^^ |
| 13:46.28 | o2T7 | How to know exactly all the functionality of my kernel? |
| 13:46.28 | solemnwarning | abrotman: Debian had an initng package and not an upstart one? |
| 13:46.33 | uzbek | my virtual host configuration is not working |
| 13:46.34 | wols | gamag: are you running a 486? |
| 13:46.35 | abrotman | solemnwarning: perhaps you should adopt it |
| 13:46.42 | gamag | wols: yes |
| 13:46.43 | abrotman | solemnwarning: initng was out way before upstart |
| 13:46.51 | solemnwarning | abrotman: true |
| 13:46.52 | wols | o2T7: cat /boot/config* |
| 13:46.57 | liable | gamag: really? |
| 13:46.57 | gamag | wols: Linux cave 2.6.18-4-486 #1 Wed May 9 22:23:40 UTC 2007 i686 GNU/Linux |
| 13:47.04 | o2T7 | wols: thanks :) |
| 13:47.08 | liable | no, processor |
| 13:47.16 | solemnwarning | If I started maintaining an init package upstart might be better, initng can be unstable |
| 13:47.19 | wols | gamag: I don't ask if you run a 486 kernel but if you run a 486 cpu |
| 13:47.30 | abrotman | solemnwarning: upstart is already packaged ... |
| 13:47.34 | solemnwarning | It is? |
| 13:47.36 | uzbek | apache doesn't give any error. if i type url to address bar, it tries to open the vhost, but after some time says can't open, timeout |
| 13:47.40 | wols | solemnwarning: are you a DD? |
| 13:47.42 | abrotman | !info upstart experimental |
| 13:47.43 | gamag | liable: dist-upgrade is going to take time. i just want to upgrade it to the new version of kernel. and then later do dist-upgrade. is that possible? |
| 13:47.45 | dpkg | upstart: (event-based init daemon), section admin, is extra. Version: 0.3.9-1 (experimental), Packaged size: 166 kB, Installed size: 332 kB |
| 13:47.52 | becks` | ok, thanks wols |
| 13:47.54 | solemnwarning | 13:42 < abrotman> upstart isn't even in unstable |
| 13:47.54 | liable | gamag: yes |
| 13:47.55 | gamag | wols: no! when I installed the Debian for i386, this is the kernel I got |
| 13:48.03 | gamag | wols: I am running AMD64 |
| 13:48.06 | abrotman | solemnwarning: it's not .. it's in experimental .. same place initng was |
| 13:48.14 | wols | gamag: get a k7 kernel thejn |
| 13:48.21 | abrotman | -k7 is gone |
| 13:48.22 | liable | gamag: so you want 686 or even a 64 kernel |
| 13:48.23 | solemnwarning | There's a branch BEFORE sid? o_O |
| 13:48.26 | gamag | wols: what is k7? |
| 13:48.27 | o2T7 | And to generate a kernel config file from the running system supposing that the original config-* was deleted? |
| 13:48.32 | abrotman | !tell solemnwarning about experimental |
| 13:48.38 | o2T7 | Is there any utility? |
| 13:48.41 | wols | gamag: the nearest cpu architecture for your cpu |
| 13:48.42 | solemnwarning | What's that named? ground zero? |
| 13:49.01 | gamag | wols: I need 32-bit because certain Sun tools don't work on 64-bit OS |
| 13:49.22 | liable | gamag: go away and do some homework before you run testing |
| 13:49.25 | abrotman | gamag: -686 will work for you |
| 13:49.48 | wols | abrotman: what's wrong with k7? |
| 13:49.51 | gamag | liable: why go away? :( I know my OS. I can't run 64-bit at the moment because sun tools won't work |
| 13:49.52 | abrotman | (pretty sure i told him the othe rday his kernel was out of date) |
| 13:49.55 | abrotman | wols: gone? |
| 13:50.03 | wols | abrotman: why? |
| 13:50.13 | abrotman | wols: amd is dying :) |
| 13:50.22 | liable | eh? |
| 13:50.24 | abrotman | now i just have to remember where i saw it :) |
| 13:50.41 | gamag | abrotman: so I should simply do aptitude install linux-image-2.6-686? |
| 13:50.48 | abrotman | that'll work |
| 13:50.53 | liable | gamag: you know your os? then why are you running a 486 kernel? |
| 13:51.16 | gamag | liable: because when I downloaded the Debian Etch CD for 32-bit, this is what it installed |
| 13:51.24 | abrotman | wols: give me a few to try to find it |
| 13:51.27 | wols | liable: he knows his OS, not his hardware |
| 13:51.30 | solemnwarning | Oh fun, yay for bind9 and it's journal files of annoyance |
| 13:51.54 | gamag | wols: my hardware is AMD 64 bit Turion |
| 13:52.00 | wols | abrotman: there must have been a 2.6.22 k7 kernel. I still have the linux-image-2.6-k7 for it in sid |
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| 13:52.22 | abrotman | there was |
| 13:52.36 | wols | gamag: anyone with half a braincell in here sees that you don't know shit about anything. your questions make it abundantly clear. so just don't say otherwise |
| 13:53.01 | wols | abrotman: could be there will be a .23 k7. it's still early for it |
| 13:53.13 | gamag | wols: please tell me what I am saying wrong. I agree I might be wrong but I want to know what is wrong. |
| 13:53.14 | abrotman | i think they just dropped it |
| 13:53.59 | gamag | wols: see i went to this link first time: http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/4.0_r1/i386/iso-cd/ downloaded the .iso, burnt it and installed Debian on my AMD 64 bit system |
| 13:54.25 | gamag | before that I had installed AMD 64 bit but there were no 64-bit port for some Sun java tools. |
| 13:54.45 | gamag | and they needed some i386 libs which 64-bit debian did not have. so I did this. |
| 13:54.51 | liable | gamag: yes, but you suggest you know your os, which in this case is debian, and that seems quite wrong, as you dont really seem to have much idea at all really |
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| 13:55.01 | abrotman | wols: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=454777 |
| 13:55.26 | abrotman | FIIK why i was looking at that before .. i don't own any amd hardware |
| 13:55.33 | abrotman | oh .. at work i do i guess |
| 13:55.33 | gamag | liable: I meant that I know what OS I have. I obviously am not very proficient at Debian. that's why I have come for help here. |
| 13:56.08 | gamag | so that i386 CD installed 2.6.18-486 kernel. what should I have done so that it had installed a 2.6.18-686 kernel? |
| 13:56.14 | liable | gamag: ah. right, no problem then, that was a misunderstanding then. |
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| 13:56.37 | liable | gamag: just install a -686kernel from apt |
| 13:56.42 | gamag | ok |
| 13:56.55 | liable | or k7 as wols suggested |
| 13:57.02 | gamag | don't they give .iso images with 686 kernel already? |
| 13:57.07 | gamag | k7 is 32-bit? |
| 13:57.09 | liable | eh? |
| 13:57.48 | abrotman | i love the BTS |
| 13:58.00 | abrotman | !dbugs 436652 |
| 13:58.03 | dpkg | #436652:I[linux-2.6] Kernel error; Wed, 8 Aug 2007 11:09:01 UTC |
| 13:58.11 | liable | gamag: apt-cache show linux-image-foo will tell you |
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| 14:00.17 | gamag | i have another confusioin |
| 14:00.20 | mazlee | hey,guys |
| 14:00.36 | wols | !confuse gamag |
| 14:00.36 | dpkg | Yes, those is your mushroom today, gamag? lederhosen of the democracy of tibet with extra cheese |
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| 14:01.32 | gamag | apt-cache show linux-image-2.6-486 shows that "Depends: linux-image-2.6.22-2-486". but aptitude shows "Depends: linux-image-2.6.22-3-486 (UNSATISFIED)" - why this difference in apt-cache and aptitude? |
| 14:02.02 | abrotman | -686 please |
| 14:02.13 | techouse | huh? |
| 14:02.16 | gamag | i will install 686 |
| 14:02.26 | gamag | but i am curious to understand why this difference in apt-cache and aptitude |
| 14:02.27 | techouse | do and report then |
| 14:02.39 | wols | gamag: it shows the same thing |
| 14:02.39 | gamag | both are supposed to give the same results, isn't it? why this discrepancy? |
| 14:02.50 | wols | they do |
| 14:02.52 | liable | gamag: can you put the output of bth on a pastebin site? |
| 14:02.54 | techouse | looks like the azureus from apt-get doesn't work |
| 14:02.59 | wols | aptitude gives more info of the same kind that's all |
| 14:03.03 | gamag | liable: ok |
| 14:03.04 | wols | !tell techouse about doesn't work |
| 14:03.05 | techouse | the one from azureus.com does, however |
| 14:03.50 | techouse | wols: the azureus form apt-get doesn't download |
| 14:03.58 | techouse | the one from azureus.com does |
| 14:04.01 | techouse | don't know why |
| 14:04.06 | techouse | it just is so |
| 14:04.08 | techouse | :P |
| 14:04.20 | techouse | maybe the one from apt-get is old and banned |
| 14:04.27 | wols | !enter |
| 14:04.28 | dpkg | The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter unecessarily makes it difficult to follow what you are saying. Consider using ',', '. ', ';', '...', '---', or ':' instead. |
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| 14:04.43 | wols | ciuld very well be if it's the etch version |
| 14:05.03 | techouse | no it's the sid version - 3.0.3.4 |
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| 14:05.17 | techouse | but the one from azureus.com (3.0.4.0) works |
| 14:05.33 | techouse | that's why i'm guessing 3.0.3.4 may be banned |
| 14:05.49 | wols | unlikely. but: it is from sid |
| 14:05.50 | gamag | liable: wols: see the difference between apt-cache show and aptitude show here: http://pastebin.com/m275908cf (especially mark the depedencies) |
| 14:05.55 | techouse | true |
| 14:06.06 | lunitik | techouse: You realize the last dpkg comment was directed to you? |
| 14:06.29 | techouse | yes i do |
| 14:06.36 | techouse | brb |
| 14:06.41 | abrotman | slow learner |
| 14:06.48 | lunitik | Seriously :/ |
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| 14:07.31 | lunitik | Also, the fact that 'lunitik' isn't even crazy enough to run Sid these days should say a lot :P |
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| 14:07.58 | techouse | i don't run sid; i run a lenny/sid bastard |
| 14:08.34 | wols | lunitik: that's false advertising with your nick then |
| 14:08.34 | Ronin | even better |
| 14:08.35 | gamag | techouse: you might be booted. this is no way to ask for help. |
| 14:08.46 | techouse | ? |
| 14:08.52 | lunitik | wols: Installed Debian again earlier... almost everything I tried to install was broken... heh... I guess just bad timing! |
| 14:09.49 | abrotman | wait .. wtf has lunitik been? |
| 14:09.50 | gamag | anyone saw the differences in dependencies as reported by apt-cache and aptitude? anyone care to explain why it is so, please? or should I post this in the debian-user mailing list? |
| 14:10.06 | lunitik | abrotman: Distro hoping cuz he's an idiot :o |
| 14:10.13 | abrotman | gamag: apt-get update && aptitude update .. try again |
| 14:10.17 | abrotman | lunitik: oh ok |
| 14:10.27 | abrotman | hopping ? |
| 14:10.33 | gamag | oh! is the apt-cache info maintained by apt-get? I don't use apt-get at all. |
| 14:10.38 | gamag | so that might explain it. |
| 14:10.39 | lunitik | abrotman: That the one the rabbits do? |
| 14:10.45 | abrotman | gamag: try it and see .. i can't recall |
| 14:10.52 | gamag | abrotman: trying |
| 14:10.57 | abrotman | lunitik: the other is the one that sid users do :) |
| 14:11.02 | gamag | 0% [Connecting to ftp.us.debian.org (1.0.0.0)] [Connecting to security.debian.o :-( |
| 14:11.08 | lunitik | abrotman: hah |
| 14:11.12 | gamag | this is one DNS ipv6 issue I always face. :( |
| 14:11.20 | abrotman | gamag: use a different mirror ? |
| 14:11.25 | wols | gamag: kill avahi? |
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| 14:11.35 | gamag | avahi? what does that do? |
| 14:11.43 | abrotman | @zerconf |
| 14:11.47 | abrotman | !zerconf |
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| 14:11.54 | wols | !avahi |
| 14:11.55 | lunitik | abrotman: zerO |
| 14:12.01 | abrotman | !zeroconf |
| 14:12.02 | dpkg | Zeroconf or Zero Configuration Networking is a set of techniques that automatically create a usable IP network without configuration or special servers. This allows unknowledgeable users to connect computers, networked printers, and other items together and expect them to work automatically. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zeroconf |
| 14:12.06 | gamag | dpkg said nothing about avahi |
| 14:12.08 | gamag | let me google |
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| 14:12.30 | admgecko | zeroconf: is also know as redenvous :-p check the apple website |
| 14:12.46 | abrotman | not quite |
| 14:12.49 | Nyle | redenvous? |
| 14:13.03 | lunitik | admgecko: Umm, Rendevous is an implementation of ZeroConf |
| 14:13.14 | gamag | how would avahi killing prevent the DNS AAAA type of requests? |
| 14:13.49 | wols | mDNS |
| 14:13.52 | gamag | in fact I was unable to connect to freenode.net too because irc.freenode.net was resolving to 1.0.0.0. so I did nslookup irc.freenode.net because nslookup always sends DNS A type request and my DNS properly replies A requests |
| 14:14.00 | liable | the devel made avahi |
| 14:14.34 | liable | the worst part is, that every damn DD has decided to make shit depend on it, which is very fucking annoying |
| 14:14.35 | techouse | what's the command to restart kicker? |
| 14:15.05 | abrotman | log out of kde? :) |
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| 14:15.12 | techouse | lol |
| 14:15.13 | lunitik | techouse: dcop kicker kicker restart |
| 14:15.23 | techouse | tnx |
| 14:15.35 | lunitik | techouse: Or browse through kdcop to it ;) |
| 14:15.44 | DustyBin | how can you find out what applications use udp ports on a box? |
| 14:15.49 | techouse | no...that did it |
| 14:15.52 | techouse | thanx |
| 14:15.53 | abrotman | fuser |
| 14:16.02 | DustyBin | abrotman: thats the bastard :D |
| 14:16.10 | abrotman | be nice to fuser |
| 14:16.57 | gamag | wols: abrotman: hey! man! you guys are great. disabling avahi indeed solve the problem. how did you think of that? |
| 14:17.10 | lunitik | techouse: Well... if you get kdcop installed... you can see some of the other things it can do, maybe you'll see some things that are useful! |
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| 14:18.03 | gamag | omg! all network apps are working fine now. now no DNS AAAA type of queries. I asked the same question so many times yesterday, day before yesterday. and all suggestions were about making alias net-pf-10 off, blacklist ipv6, etc. |
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| 14:18.41 | abrotman | but avahi is useful for aother stuff |
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| 14:18.54 | wols | abrotman: it might be one day. when it works |
| 14:18.58 | abrotman | and i have avahi running .. and have no issues |
| 14:19.02 | lunitik | techouse: Every single KDE application has a dcop interface... sucks they're moving to dbus, much uglier interface :/ |
| 14:19.02 | techouse | lunitik: Couldn't find package kdcop |
| 14:19.05 | liable | eh, avahi doesnt give a 1.0.0.0 ip anyway |
| 14:19.09 | sciboy | Hi, just want to get your opinion on something. |
| 14:19.17 | abrotman | Yellow |
| 14:19.21 | gamag | abrotman : may be your DNS servers can handle DNS AAAA type queries |
| 14:19.22 | jelly-home | three |
| 14:19.29 | gamag | my DNS can't |
| 14:19.30 | abrotman | gamag: it's comcast .. i doubt it |
| 14:19.32 | wols | sciboy: ponies are good. there, you have an opinion |
| 14:19.37 | DustyBin | is there a way to view all what might be using udp ports instead of manually specifying the port number like: fuser 22/udp |
| 14:19.38 | techouse | lunitik: apt-get doesn't find it....where do i get it |
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| 14:19.41 | jelly-home | !nopony sciboy |
| 14:19.42 | dpkg | sciboy: http://sc.tri-bit.com/images/2/23/pony.jpg |
| 14:19.42 | abrotman | !nopony wols |
| 14:19.43 | dpkg | wols: http://sc.tri-bit.com/images/2/23/pony.jpg |
| 14:19.44 | sciboy | I'll be doing an open source adventure game pretty soon, and I've got two main choices of platform/engine. |
| 14:19.49 | abrotman | oh .. it's 404 |
| 14:19.51 | wols | DustyBin: netstat |
| 14:19.52 | abrotman | i need to change that |
| 14:19.55 | jelly-home | abrotman: aww. |
| 14:19.58 | liable | avahi is usefull, shot *shouldnt* depend on it though, recommends, sure |
| 14:20.05 | moshii | lunitik: kde4 is pretty ugly all over at the moment :/ |
| 14:20.05 | jelly-home | abrotman: nonopony? |
| 14:20.07 | sciboy | It can be web based using javascript, or I can do it with Blender's game engine. |
| 14:20.07 | liable | s/shot/shit/ |
| 14:20.09 | wols | abrotman: doesn't change the fact that ponies are GOOD and you're a MEANIE |
| 14:20.11 | gamag | now I have a problem, the ftp.us.debian.org is continuously returned as 1.0.0.0 seems like it has been cached or something. can I clear it? |
| 14:20.18 | lunitik | techouse: Wow, yeah, I guess it's currently not in Debian... wtf |
| 14:20.31 | techouse | rofl |
| 14:20.33 | gamag | would /etc/init.d/networking restart clear it? |
| 14:20.41 | jelly-home | abrotman: it's not a 404 here. Might be my wwwoffle cached it |
| 14:20.44 | lunitik | moshii: True... I think that might have something to do with the 2 months delay ;) |
| 14:20.56 | abrotman | oh .. it was the other day . okay |
| 14:20.59 | abrotman | now i don't have tgo change it |
| 14:21.10 | wols | abrotman: it's still there |
| 14:21.27 | DustyBin | netstat --udp returns nothing, however, fuser 22/udp returns: 22/udp: 3044 |
| 14:21.27 | sciboy | Blender as a 3D application has better multimedia capabilities, but with javascript most browsers and a decent cpu would be able to play. |
| 14:21.30 | abrotman | it was 404 the other day ... ask pseubodot!! and goodell! |
| 14:21.33 | techouse | anyway....azureus still doesn't display a tray icon although it runs in the background :P |
| 14:21.42 | moshii | lunitik: mmm, I disagree, I thinks it's to do with dumping everything that was *good* about kde and replacing it with unworkable ideas from vista/osx |
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| 14:22.03 | abrotman | sciboy: was that a question? |
| 14:22.16 | sciboy | abrotman, It was a statement requiring opinion. |
| 14:22.16 | lunitik | moshii: Also, keep in mind, KDE 4.0 won't be very feature complete... they're just going to throw it out there and get people using it... |
| 14:22.25 | wols | sciboy: and how is it debian related? |
| 14:22.27 | abrotman | sciboy: it doesn't make sense |
| 14:22.38 | sciboy | abrotman, In what way? |
| 14:22.43 | jelly-home | abrotman: HEAD http://sc.tri-bit.com/images/2/23/pony.jpg says it's there... PERL DOESN'T LIE |
| 14:22.43 | wols | abrotman: that's beside the point |
| 14:22.45 | abrotman | most ways :) |
| 14:22.50 | moshii | lunitik: used the rc packages in experimental?.. oh noes! |
| 14:23.04 | techouse | lunitik: packages.debian.org says that /usr/bin/kdcop is located in the kdebase-bin package |
| 14:23.07 | techouse | rofl |
| 14:23.14 | abrotman | techouse: english please |
| 14:23.18 | sciboy | wols, As open source software there could be the question of distribution. But largely I came here since asking in #gameblender or #javascript would give me some rather biased opinions. |
| 14:23.30 | lunitik | moshii: Well, I agree to some extent... I'm not impressed so far at all.... |
| 14:23.45 | moshii | sciboy: is your question(?) anything to do with debian at all? |
| 14:23.55 | techouse | abrotman: ??? |
| 14:24.01 | wols | sciboy: that doesn't answer my question |
| 14:24.14 | sciboy | wols, Indirectly. |
| 14:24.22 | wols | sciboy: this is a debian support channel. not a "what should I use for my browsergame" channel |
| 14:24.29 | sciboy | I work in Debian, and obviously debian users could make use of it. |
| 14:24.36 | liable | stop picking on him, its a fair question, even if its not debian related |
| 14:24.48 | sciboy | It isn't necessarily going to be a browser game, that's the thing. |
| 14:24.52 | wols | sciboy: that's BULLSHIT and you know it. ask in #web or something and come back when you have an actual debian problem |
| 14:24.58 | abrotman | liable: it's not a question :) |
| 14:25.16 | wols | liable: "not debian related" is the thing |
| 14:25.21 | jelly-home | moshii: you kde4 unbeliever! |
| 14:25.26 | gamag | does anyone have a clue why stopping avahi-daemon prevented DNS AAAA type queries? |
| 14:25.28 | moshii | jelly-home: it's shit. |
| 14:25.32 | moshii | there I said it |
| 14:25.39 | sciboy | wols, Why would it be bullshit? |
| 14:25.42 | jelly-home | moshii: some even say it's DA shit |
| 14:25.49 | liable | abrotman: it is of sorts, its asking for opinion, so its fair i think. he just picked the wrong time to ask it seems |
| 14:26.03 | wols | sciboy: your reasoning why it's "debian related" |
| 14:26.05 | abrotman | it makes no sense :) |
| 14:26.09 | sciboy | wols, I could just as easily develop it using Blender and package it with a shell script. |
| 14:26.15 | moshii | jelly-home: you can't use the hip-hop spin on that. It's just not bling enough |
| 14:26.22 | abrotman | gamag: fix one problem at a time .. make a list |
| 14:26.24 | wols | sciboy: then it's still no question for #debian |
| 14:26.26 | lunitik | moshii: If you give it time, you'll probably be able to turn KDE4 into KDE3 anyways ;) |
| 14:26.41 | jelly-home | lunitik: using the -- operator? |
| 14:26.51 | wols | sciboy: if you are too dumb to install blender cause apt gives you an error message, that is debian related. not "hwat programming language should I use" |
| 14:27.08 | lunitik | jelly-home: No, using the customizations.... |
| 14:27.26 | moshii | lunitik: That's what I'm hoping, that plasma(more code in the website than the product apparently) will just take my kde3 configs and setup similar panels. |
| 14:27.30 | jelly-home | wols: you are aware that explaining all this makes more noise than letting that one question die naturally? |
| 14:27.58 | liable | sciboy: give up while your not too far behind and ask maybe at a later date if you still want opinions, or try #linux |
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| 14:28.16 | wols | jelly-home: people like him don't do just one question like this. #debian is the "default help channel" cause they know here are people with a semiclue |
| 14:28.24 | bikal | how can i know what time certain events occur in `dmesg'? |
| 14:28.37 | wols | bikal: try kern.log |
| 14:28.38 | lunitik | sciboy: It really depends what is more important to YOU it seems... so why you're asking a general audience is rather strange in the first place... |
| 14:28.47 | bikal | wols, thanks |
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| 14:29.13 | liable | wols: and sometimes lots of people give good advice on non-deian stuff, he just picked the wrong time, with you here :P |
| 14:29.16 | bikal | wols, that's 1 month old |
| 14:29.18 | jelly-home | sciboy: a nice developer newsgroup or forum might be more appropriate than this channel |
| 14:29.26 | bikal | wols, kern.log is empty |
| 14:29.28 | sciboy | liable, Thanks, the main thing I'm puzzling over is without a real binary distribution would be pretty moot. So I wouldn't be able to get a debian package done for example. |
| 14:29.36 | wols | bikal: then your syslog has problems? |
| 14:29.54 | wols | bikal: messages then |
| 14:30.02 | liable | sciboy: i actually have no input to give irt your question, I am just playing devils advocate :) |
| 14:30.24 | wols | bikal: my kern.log is empty too. strange. message should do it |
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| 14:31.03 | jelly-home | sciboy: don't try to spin it, your question isn't topical (= debian support) any way. The ops have a nasty reaction to offtopic with good reason. |
| 14:31.16 | bikal | wols, messages doesn't have the stuff from `dmesg' |
| 14:31.24 | liable | at times, sometimes not. pick your times |
| 14:31.29 | wols | bikal: what exactly do you need? |
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| 14:32.31 | bikal | wols, [35302.744000] printk: 7 messages suppressed. |
| 14:32.31 | liable | !ping |
| 14:32.32 | dpkg | pong |
| 14:32.32 | jelly-home | \o/ for rerouting |
| 14:32.32 | bikal | wols, i need the [35302.744000] ==> translates to what? |
| 14:32.32 | bikal | thanks |
| 14:32.32 | wols | bikal: do you run ubuntu? |
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| 14:32.42 | bikal | wols, this is on ubuntu yes. |
| 14:32.46 | bikal | wols, this is on ubuntu yes. |
| 14:32.48 | jelly-home | bikal: seconds from the bootup time. |
| 14:32.48 | wols | bikal: then you are on the wrong channel. please go away |
| 14:32.48 | moshii | is there some plugin or something for compiz to revive it when it randomly dies? |
| 14:32.48 | bikal | wols, i run debian primarily. |
| 14:32.51 | jelly-home | bikal: those timestamps from kernel are relative. |
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| 14:33.04 | liable | moshii: yep, its called the 'ctrl-alt-backspace' plugin ;) |
| 14:33.05 | bikal | jelly-home, so how do i make it absolute? |
| 14:33.06 | wols | bikal: we don't care. you have a problem on ubuntu -> #ubuntu |
| 14:33.09 | jelly-home | bikal: you can't |
| 14:33.17 | wols | bikal: asl #ubuntu |
| 14:33.28 | bikal | wols, i know :-) |
| 14:33.36 | liable | so do |
| 14:33.39 | xand | bikal: debian doesn't HAVE that stuff in its logs |
| 14:33.46 | jelly-home | bikal: if you were on debian, I'd suggest using /var/log/kern.log instead of dmesg. |
| 14:33.48 | bikal | hmm.. interesting.. |
| 14:33.53 | xand | run along |
| 14:33.57 | jelly-home | xand: mine does (custom kernel)! |
| 14:34.14 | moshii | liable: nah, most of the time I can run start it via run command in the k menu... as that still works without a wm. It'd be nice if it just happendly magically though. |
| 14:34.21 | xand | #ubuntu :D |
| 14:34.24 | moshii | s/run start/restart |
| 14:34.30 | jelly-home | xand: fuck you too :-> |
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| 14:34.50 | wols | jelly-home: what kernel option does that stupid thing? |
| 14:35.01 | liable | moshii: getting compix help here is like getting a root in a nunnery. its quite diffcult :) |
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| 14:35.54 | ronr | are there any special twists in the debian dovecot package in regard to the sieve plugin? (for some reason I can't figure out, vacation just doesn't work) |
| 14:36.23 | liable | i quite like the cube thing, just sucks i hapen to have an ati card |
| 14:36.24 | moshii | dovecot has sieve now? |
| 14:36.34 | jelly-home | wols: I think it's CONFIG_PRINTK_TIME |
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| 14:37.08 | ronr | moshii: yes\ |
| 14:37.22 | ronr | moshii: Module loaded: /usr/lib/dovecot/modules/lda/lib90_cmusieve_plugin.so |
| 14:37.26 | gamag | abrotman, wols, liable: I did apt-cache update and aptitude update. The dependencies for linux-image-2.6-486 are still different. http://pastebin.com/m1b329140 |
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| 14:38.56 | liable | gamag: they are the same. what bit are you looking at? |
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| 14:39.01 | lunitik | gamag: I appear to be slow this morning... how exactly do they differ? |
| 14:39.15 | moshii | ronr: Have you checked the bug reports to make sure that it's not a known problem? |
| 14:40.06 | ronr | moshii: not yet, I will |
| 14:40.10 | liable | gamag: where di line 43 come from, but check lines 10 and 28 |
| 14:40.31 | gamag | lunitik: apt-cache shows "Depends: linux-image-2.6.22-2-486" whereas aptitude shows: "Depends: linux-image-2.6.22-3-486" |
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| 14:41.01 | liable | gamag: line 28 of your paste |
| 14:41.09 | gamag | liable : looks like my mistake. let me confirm. |
| 14:41.56 | gamag | liable : yes line 28 is correct. and it is not mistake. line 43 also comes from apt-cache show output |
| 14:42.01 | lunitik | gamag: Using Sid? It complained about upgrading the kernel for me too... although I swear Sid has 2.6.23 |
| 14:42.18 | gamag | lunitik: using lenny |
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| 14:42.39 | ronr | nope, not a known issue |
| 14:42.48 | liable | gamag: line 48 comes from the older version of the meta package, dunno why you are seeing that in your output |
| 14:42.48 | lunitik | gamag: I installed with Aptitude about 4 hours ago, and everything went smoothly.... |
| 14:43.03 | liable | gamag: but they both will install the newer ones |
| 14:43.20 | ronr | I'm not too certain that it is a bug in dovecot (I much more expect I screwed up somewhere, but dovecot sieve seems to be completely undebuggable) |
| 14:43.31 | vezult | howdy folks. Is there any advantage to doing raid+lvm, since LVM supports striping and mirroring? |
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| 14:43.58 | vezult | I'm assuming software raid here. |
| 14:44.04 | lunitik | gamag: Also, you're sure you typed apt-cache update? Because that's not a command.... |
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| 14:44.28 | liable | gamag: line 48 comes from version +10 whereas the others are +11, so both apt-get and aptitude will install the correct current version |
| 14:45.09 | gamag | lunitik: no I did apt-get update and aptitude update only. apt-cache update is invalid operation update |
| 14:45.48 | lunitik | gamag: Ok, you just made an error in your earlier description of events then ;) |
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| 14:46.13 | gamag | oh |
| 14:46.40 | alinux-lb22 | hi all..I just want confirm my assumptions....natting done through MASQUERADING in IPTABLES...is NOT symmetric NAT |
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| 14:46.46 | gamag | which is the correct place to request for help, if I am not on IRC. debian-user@lists.debian.org or http://forums.debian.net? |
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| 14:47.55 | lunitik | Other than that, legacy commands :P |
| 14:48.49 | abrotman | gamag: aptitude install linux-image-2.6-686 |
| 14:48.55 | gamag | well stopping avahi-daemon didn't help. pidgin is still sending out DNS AAAA type queries for irc.freenode.net and my DNS returns 1.0.0.0 |
| 14:49.06 | gamag | abrotman : yes I have started that. thanks. |
| 14:50.07 | Nyle | man |
| 14:50.13 | Nyle | I just got chewed out by my mom |
| 14:50.17 | vezult | alinux-lb22: NAT is broader than just masquerading. One source nat (SNAT target), destination nat (DNAT), or combine them, I would think. |
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| 14:50.41 | Nyle | I called her cuz i was sick, looking for some advice cuz shes a doctor, instead i get bitched out for being sick and not takin care of myself |
| 14:50.42 | abrotman | !ipmasq |
| 14:50.42 | dpkg | If all you want is NAT (internet connection sharing), aptitude install ipmasq; and be happy. Otherwise learn about it at http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/IP-Masquerade-HOWTO/index.html |
| 14:50.44 | Nyle | wtf |
| 14:50.47 | Nyle | :( |
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| 14:51.01 | liable | gamag: modpobe -r ipv6 |
| 14:51.21 | liable | gamag: some routers are shit with handling ipv6 requests |
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| 14:51.33 | Nyle | liable: happened to me that I setup tftp on my box and it automatically bound to ipv6 instead of ipv4 |
| 14:51.36 | liable | modprobe -r ipv6 |
| 14:51.47 | gamag | liable: yes, but with windows and ubuntu it works fine. unfortunately, Debian is my favorite OS, so I want to get it working with this. |
| 14:51.52 | gamag | errr. Fortunately. |
| 14:52.10 | gamag | i mean, it's unfortunate that it is not working. |
| 14:52.17 | liable | Nyle: i have had two routers be wankers with ipv6 requests. windows users dont usually see it, as windows doesnt usually ask |
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| 14:52.54 | Nyle | in fact, it might have been you who suggested removing/blacklisting the ipv6 module, which I did, and tftp started to work |
| 14:52.56 | liable | gamag: i would not be surprised if ubuntu have blacklisted ipv6 by default lately |
| 14:53.06 | Nyle | liable: ^^ |
| 14:53.19 | gamag | modprobe -r ipv6 -> WARNING: Module off not found. WARNING: Module off not found. (two lines of output of the same thing) |
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| 14:53.44 | liable | Nyle: quite possibly. its a hard one to debug unless your run wireshirk or some other sniffer |
| 14:54.03 | liable | eh? |
| 14:54.10 | Nyle | hm |
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| 14:54.18 | gamag | liable : grep -R ipv6 /mnt/exp2/etc/modprobe.d/ -> /mnt/exp2/etc/modprobe.d/aliases:alias net-pf-10 ipv6 (this is from my Ubuntu partition) - So it doesn't seem like it is blacklisted |
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| 14:54.53 | ThoMe | hello |
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| 14:55.00 | gamag | I have tried, making alias net-pf-10 off, blacklisting, etc. but nothing seems to work |
| 14:55.01 | ronr | anyone knows how you can debug the dovecot sieve vacation function (with all logging enabled I don't get any more then: cmusieve: Using sieve path: <correct location of .dovecot.sieve> |
| 14:55.04 | ThoMe | have an error if i try to compile a asterisk |
| 14:55.05 | ThoMe | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:55.05 | ThoMe | cc1: error: unrecognized command line option "-march=hppa2.0" |
| 14:55.05 | ThoMe | make[2]: *** [src/add.o] Fehler 1 |
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| 14:55.20 | liable | gamag: and the blacklist file? |
| 14:55.43 | ronr | ThoMe: I recall asterisk not compiling with gcc 4, just with gcc 3 |
| 14:55.50 | gamag | liable : that was a -R grep (recursive), so it didn't show any "ipv6" in blacklist file |
| 14:55.52 | wols | ronr: sounds like it can't find the sieve file it wants to use? |
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| 14:56.08 | gamag | Thome has been booted |
| 14:56.13 | liable | gamag: so chroot to your ubuntu partition and see what happens |
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| 14:56.50 | ronr | wols: well, the file exists and dovecot does create a .dovecot.sievec file, so it read and compiles it fine |
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| 14:57.02 | ThoMe | hello |
| 14:57.33 | asg | ThoMe: you should ask #asterisk or apt-get install the debian package |
| 14:57.49 | ThoMe | asg: hmm. i can't ind a debian package |
| 14:57.55 | liable | gamag: check your modules.conf, is the ipv6 line commented? |
| 14:57.55 | gamag | liable: chroot /mnt/exp2/ nslookup bitchx irc.freenode.net |
| 14:58.03 | gamag | chroot: cannot run command `nslookup': Exec format error |
| 14:58.08 | asg | !info asterisk etch |
| 14:58.14 | dpkg | asterisk: (Open Source Private Branch Exchange (PBX)), section comm, is optional. Version: 1:1.2.13~dfsg-2 (etch), Packaged size: 142 kB, Installed size: 408 kB |
| 14:58.20 | asg | ThoMe: ^^^ |
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| 14:58.32 | ThoMe | asg: hm. have a hppa |
| 14:58.46 | asg | ThoMe: and there is no debian hppa package? |
| 14:58.56 | abrotman | i doubt asterisk works on hppa |
| 14:59.17 | liable | gamag: i know people have whined about it recently, so if it works in ubuntu, i am pretty confident they have blacklisted ipv6 |
| 14:59.19 | abrotman | well .. it does in sid .. who knew |
| 14:59.38 | ThoMe | asg: why? doubt ? |
| 15:00.12 | asg | abrotman: it's listed as arch all on p.d.o |
| 15:00.15 | abrotman | ThoMe: it is on etch |
| 15:00.21 | abrotman | ThoMe: show us your sources please |
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| 15:00.27 | gamag | liable: grep ipv6 /mnt/exp2/etc/modprobe.d/blacklist* == gives no output |
| 15:00.42 | ThoMe | abrotman: have: http://www.digium.com/elqNow/elqRedir.htm?ref=http://downloads.digium.com/pub/asterisk/releases/asterisk-1.4.15.tar.gz |
| 15:00.45 | gamag | liable: I can't find any modules.conf file |
| 15:00.56 | abrotman | ThoMe: your debian sources |
| 15:00.59 | liable | gamag: dude, i said to check another file, i dont want your grep output |
| 15:01.17 | liable | gamag: so boot to ubuntu and tell me if ipv6 is loaded |
| 15:01.22 | abrotman | !paste |
| 15:01.22 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 3 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://channels.debian.net/paste/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. |
| 15:01.45 | liable | gamag: modules.conf isnt inside the modprobe dir |
| 15:01.47 | gamag | liable: I have booted to ubuntu and when ever I did lsmod | grep ipv6 : no output at all |
| 15:02.02 | gamag | liable: similarly on my current debian lsmod | grep ipv6 gives no output at all |
| 15:02.16 | liable | gamag: right, so that says that they have blacklisted ipv6 |
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| 15:02.45 | gamag | liable: because ipv6 is enabled in the aliases file and still it is not loading, that's why? |
| 15:02.47 | liable | gamag: if ipv6 isnt loaded, things dont send AAAA requests |
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| 15:03.10 | TrueDD | Hi all |
| 15:03.41 | gamag | In Debian I have turned this to: alias net-pf-10 off, why is ipv6 still loading? |
| 15:03.52 | gamag | and if ipv6 is loading, why can't i see it in lsmod? |
| 15:04.24 | liable | paste your lsmod output |
| 15:04.30 | gamag | before I turned net-pf-10 off, 'ipv6' used to appear in lsmod. after I turned that off, 'ipv6' is no longer there in lsmod. how come it is still loading? |
| 15:04.34 | ThoMe | abrotman: i have read in newsgroups: |
| 15:04.34 | ThoMe | Hi, |
| 15:04.34 | ThoMe | your package failed to build from source since gcc on sparc doesn't know |
| 15:04.34 | ThoMe | the -march option. |
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| 15:04.41 | eth01 | uh |
| 15:04.42 | ThoMe | grr |
| 15:04.42 | liable | the alias is one, i had to blacklist it too |
| 15:04.51 | eth01 | !tell ThoMe about paste |
| 15:05.00 | abrotman | ThoMe: hppa? |
| 15:05.05 | abrotman | ThoMe: paste your sources.list |
| 15:05.10 | ThoMe | abrotman: jepp. i think hppa also |
| 15:05.12 | ThoMe | abrotman: momento |
| 15:05.12 | abrotman | ThoMe: i'm not going to help you compile asterisk when it's in debian |
| 15:05.18 | ThoMe | paste bin? |
| 15:05.21 | abrotman | !paste |
| 15:05.21 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 3 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://channels.debian.net/paste/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. |
| 15:05.29 | gamag | liable: http://pastebin.com/m6d5402bf |
| 15:05.34 | eth01 | i've just told you ThoMe. |
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| 15:06.17 | ThoMe | abrotman: http://paste.debian.net/44949 |
| 15:06.20 | gamag | liable: i have tried blacklisting too. still doesn't work. see I have explained what I have done so far here: |
| 15:06.34 | gamag | http://lists.debian.org/debian-ipv6/2007/12/msg00001.html |
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| 15:06.59 | abrotman | ThoMe: add "deb http://security.debian.org/ etch/updates main" to that file |
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| 15:07.56 | ThoMe | ah ok |
| 15:08.01 | liable | gamag: hrm, you are seeing the AAAA requests how? |
| 15:08.07 | melodie3 | hello |
| 15:08.22 | lunitik | abrotman: He's looking to use lenny... testing provides security updates? I wasn't aware it did? |
| 15:08.32 | abrotman | lunitik: yes |
| 15:08.36 | lunitik | !hi melodie3 |
| 15:08.48 | lunitik | !botslap |
| 15:08.48 | dpkg | :( |
| 15:08.49 | abrotman | ThoMe: lenny does have asterisk .. sorry ... |
| 15:08.54 | abrotman | i misread |
| 15:08.57 | ThoMe | abrotman: have asterisk now build :-) |
| 15:09.13 | abrotman | ThoMe: /msg dpkg simple sid backport |
| 15:09.15 | bikal | is there someone here who don't mind answering some logging question? |
| 15:09.24 | asg | !ask |
| 15:09.24 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org |
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| 15:09.58 | ThoMe | abrotman: have now from "OPTIMIZE+=-march=$(PROC)" to > #OPTIMIZE+=-march=$(PROC) |
| 15:10.09 | [gnubie] | anyone here able to dual boot debian etch and mac os x leopard on a mac mini core 2 duo? |
| 15:10.20 | abrotman | ThoMe: i'm not helping you compile it |
| 15:10.21 | liable | Genetics: are you seeing thise requests from your dns server logs or from wireshark on the linux box? I am suspecting your dns server at this point |
| 15:10.49 | liable | bastard left |
| 15:10.54 | liable | Genetics: sorry |
| 15:10.54 | melodie3 | My gstreamer refuse to work under lenny and my samba too :( since upgrade of kernel and ndiswrapper upgrade could it be ndiswrapper pb ? |
| 15:11.49 | liable | melodie3: you realise with a new kernel, you need to recompile modules? |
| 15:11.56 | lunitik | melodie3: Define "doesn't work"... you're trying to stream things over the internet with gstreamer? You can connect to the internet? |
| 15:12.17 | melodie3 | irc seem to fail too... |
| 15:12.55 | lunitik | liable: Answer liable's question... it provides your answer secretly ;) |
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| 15:13.02 | Jyzygzel- | is there a program to compare differencies between directory contents? |
| 15:13.09 | abrotman | diff |
| 15:13.15 | Jyzygzel- | can it do that? |
| 15:13.19 | Jyzygzel- | i tho it was only for files |
| 15:13.22 | liable | lunitik: living up to your nick? |
| 15:13.59 | lunitik | liable: I was working my way down instead of up... heh |
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| 15:14.12 | asg | Jyzygzel-: if you read the manpage, you'd know it could |
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| 15:14.35 | gamag | gamag: sorry, my keyboard stopped working. so I had to reboot. I can see the DNS AAAA queries in Wireshark |
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| 15:14.44 | pmedia | hello, again its me |
| 15:14.55 | pmedia | and again I got a problem with X |
| 15:15.07 | pmedia | one display displays well the session |
| 15:15.11 | pmedia | the others doesn't turn on |
| 15:15.14 | Nyle | !enter |
| 15:15.14 | dpkg | The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter unecessarily makes it difficult to follow what you are saying. Consider using ',', '. ', ';', '...', '---', or ':' instead. |
| 15:15.33 | pmedia | I know >_>... |
| 15:15.39 | Nyle | pmedia: pastebin your xorg.conf |
| 15:15.43 | pmedia | pl |
| 15:15.45 | pmedia | ok |
| 15:16.12 | Nyle | I have 3 monitors and been playing with them for years, I don't know much about much, but I might be of some help |
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| 15:16.22 | Nyle | mayb |
| 15:16.32 | Jyzygzel- | it not very recursive |
| 15:17.12 | Nyle | pmedia: what does your hw setup look like |
| 15:17.14 | Jyzygzel- | oh the -r can make that happen |
| 15:17.26 | Nyle | pmedia: video card? driver? # of monitors |
| 15:17.45 | pmedia | I use a NV34 (NVidia GeForce FX 5200), ATi Mach32, ATi Mach64 |
| 15:18.05 | pmedia | 3 monitors, and drivers are for the mach-things "ati" and for the nvidia-card "nv" |
| 15:18.07 | Nyle | pmedia: hmm |
| 15:18.14 | Nyle | agp + pci + pci? |
| 15:18.30 | liable | three cards in one box? |
| 15:18.32 | pmedia | yes |
| 15:18.44 | pmedia | two cards worked well |
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| 15:19.51 | pmedia | http://pastebin.org/11681 - here is my xorg.conf |
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| 15:21.02 | Nyle | its blank |
| 15:21.12 | Nyle | at least in konqueror |
| 15:21.14 | pmedia | o_O? |
| 15:21.35 | pmedia | pls wait a moment, I'll start x |
| 15:21.49 | liable | tis balnk |
| 15:21.54 | liable | blank even |
| 15:22.17 | Nyle | also paste the Xorg.0.log |
| 15:22.22 | Nyle | from /var/log |
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| 15:23.06 | liable | hes gone diddly on |
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| 15:23.19 | Nyle | ? |
| 15:23.34 | Nyle | liable: token? |
| 15:23.40 | liable | you have parts ignored? |
| 15:23.47 | Nyle | hm |
| 15:23.51 | liable | hes back now anyway |
| 15:23.54 | Nyle | yes abortman |
| 15:24.02 | pmedia | yeah, I'm back |
| 15:24.20 | Nyle | i also have joins/parts/quits/modes/ etc. ignored |
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| 15:24.54 | liable | Nyle: so dont be surprised when you talk to people no longer here.. |
| 15:25.02 | Nyle | I'm usually not |
| 15:25.10 | Nyle | I seem like I'm crazy on irc |
| 15:25.11 | pmedia | Now this should work: http://pastebin.com/m70a40da4 |
| 15:25.16 | Nyle | talking to people non existent |
| 15:25.24 | Nyle | but I'm ok in the head, really, I just have things on ignore |
| 15:25.27 | liable | well, you did just then, but anyway.. |
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| 15:29.04 | pmedia | uhm... currently I'd looked into xorg.0.log... seems the cards showed me just the wrong adresses ._. isn't lspci suitable for configuring x byself? |
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| 15:29.25 | pmedia | ahhh I see... the adresses are hexadecimal >_> |
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| 15:29.48 | kadambi | My aptitude update for security in unstable is failing |
| 15:29.52 | kadambi | please help |
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| 15:30.03 | pmedia | I'll try if that works |
| 15:30.03 | asg | kadambi: unstable doesn't have a security source |
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| 15:30.13 | johnfg | Hi folks |
| 15:30.17 | asg | kadambi: fixes for vulnerabilities go directly into unstable |
| 15:30.48 | stylus | hi johnfg |
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| 15:31.23 | Clockwise | hiy |
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| 15:31.30 | johnfg | I want to use jigdo to download debian, but from the web page I can't get the .jigdo file to download :-( |
| 15:31.38 | johnfg | Hi stylus and Clockwise |
| 15:31.42 | Clockwise | Anyone happen to use Dirvish for backup purposes? I'm having a bit of a problem settings it up |
| 15:31.44 | abrotman | johnfg: which webpage? |
| 15:31.54 | abrotman | !jigdo |
| 15:31.54 | dpkg | jigdo is probably *the* method for downloading CD/DVD images of Debian. at http://www.debian.org/CD/jigdo-cd/ or http://tldp.org/HOWTO/Debian-Jigdo/index.html |
| 15:32.24 | johnfg | http://www.debian.org/CD/jigdo-cd/#which. Do you recommend another? |
| 15:32.33 | abrotman | that's fine |
| 15:32.46 | abrotman | johnfg: so what doesn't work ? |
| 15:33.23 | johnfg | I just am not getting the .jigdo file when I click on the link, and to copy the link location it's only referring to the directory. |
| 15:33.44 | abrotman | johnfg: right .. that's a directory full of jigdo files |
| 15:33.56 | lunitik | How would I go about letting a module know I want it to unload automatically when it's not in use? |
| 15:34.35 | abrotman | johnfg: but you need a jigdo app ... are you running dbian now ? |
| 15:34.37 | kadambi | asg, Oh, then we need to comment that in sources.list ? |
| 15:34.48 | asg | kadambi: yes |
| 15:35.12 | Bac0n | i have done my own wesnoth package version 1.3.11 but package from backport 1.2.8.. always tries replace my package |
| 15:35.22 | johnfg | I have Jigsaw Download 0.7.3 |
| 15:35.35 | asg | lunitik: create a cronjob to rmmod it periodically; when it's not in use, it will be removed. |
| 15:35.36 | johnfg | Running FC8. |
| 15:35.47 | asg | Bac0n: /msg dpkg hold |
| 15:35.47 | shamrock | other than killall is there a controlled way to kill a general application by name? in this case when I unplug my phone I want to do a controlled quit from multisync using the HAL message caught by ivman. |
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| 15:35.59 | johnfg | Jigsaw timed out saying it couldn't connect to the server. |
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| 15:36.09 | abrotman | did you give it a server to use |
| 15:36.11 | abrotman | '?\ |
| 15:36.22 | asg | shamrock: pkill |
| 15:36.31 | johnfg | Is there a different mirror for the .jigdo for debian? |
| 15:36.35 | Bac0n | cant i put something in control file |
| 15:36.37 | kadambi | asg, Thanks a tonne ! |
| 15:36.52 | kadambi | asg, But it works for testing right ?? |
| 15:37.04 | asg | kadambi: yes, it works for testing and stable |
| 15:37.06 | lunitik | asg: There isn't a cleaner way? Perhaps that is what Ubuntu does, Fedora and SUSE both keep the module around for long periods... I was hoping for a module parameter, or udev option however... |
| 15:37.41 | Clockwise | Dirvish, anyone? :> |
| 15:37.57 | asg | lunitik: I'm not sure, cronjobs are simple and clean though udev may be able to do it. |
| 15:38.08 | kadambi | asg, oh :) |
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| 15:39.43 | johnfg | What I expected was that when I select Official Images/DVD/i386, it would give me a .jigdo file, or ask me if I wanted to open it with Jigsaw, save it whatever. |
| 15:39.49 | johnfg | What do you suggest I do? |
| 15:40.03 | lunitik | asg: It's a webcam module, so I'm not sure I'd like it to keep trying to unload the module... and I'm not sure how I'd tell it to check whether it's in use first? |
| 15:40.37 | Dink | Hello, Has anyone here been able to connect to Junipers VPN thats running host checker? |
| 15:40.41 | asg | lunitik: lsmod will show you if it's in use. You could grep that output and make a decision I suppose |
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| 15:40.46 | abrotman | johnfg: did you give it a host to download from? |
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| 15:41.43 | abrotman | johnfg: which app are you using ? |
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| 15:42.42 | lunitik | asg: lsmod will tell me whether it's loaded... it remains whether the cam is plugged in or not though... perhaps dmesg will give a more useful item for cron to look for... |
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| 15:42.45 | abrotman | johnfg: it appears the jigsaw can't do it |
| 15:42.50 | abrotman | i'm not sure what it actually does :) |
| 15:43.02 | asg | lunitik: dmesg or tailing /var/log/kern.log |
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| 15:44.32 | abrotman | !qotd0 |
| 15:44.32 | johnfg | abrotman: Would you select that link from the url I gave you, copy and paste it here and then I'll see if that works? I think if I give Jigsaw a valid URL it will work. |
| 15:44.32 | dpkg | * Guerin/#debian goes to pick his wife up from kindy |
| 15:44.48 | abrotman | http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/4.0_r1/i386/jigdo-cd/debian-40r1-i386-CD-1.jigdo |
| 15:45.03 | abrotman | johnfg: jigsaw tells you it doesn't work .. tells you to use jigdo-lite |
| 15:45.41 | abrotman | Processing of .jigdo files is not yet implemented - only downloads of single files (e.g. .iso images) work. |
| 15:46.59 | lunitik | asg: Thank you! |
| 15:47.09 | asg | you're welcome |
| 15:48.09 | cahoot | lunitik: ou can see the state of the autoclean flag in /proc/modules. Any LKM that has the flag set has the legend autoclean next to it. |
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| 15:48.28 | aFlag | hello, is there a way to limit the download rate a program is capable to get using a tcp connection? |
| 15:49.00 | abrotman | trickle |
| 15:49.07 | asg | abrotman: dick? |
| 15:49.11 | abrotman | hehe |
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| 15:50.44 | Jyzygzel- | how do you reinstall in apt? |
| 15:50.53 | Jyzygzel- | like complete reinstall |
| 15:51.03 | johnfg | I guess I'll have to get it and compile it myself, it's not in any repos for fc8. |
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| 15:51.28 | gamag | liable: sorry I was away. I checked the DNS AAAA type queries in Wireshark |
| 15:51.46 | lunitik | cahoot: How would I add that flag to a module? |
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| 15:52.35 | abrotman | johnfg: you could just download the iso ? |
| 15:52.46 | abrotman | Jyzygzel-: complete reinstal of what? |
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| 15:52.56 | BadRobot | hi there |
| 15:53.06 | lunitik | cahoot: Bad thing about udev working so well usually: I haven't spent much time looking into it... |
| 15:53.14 | BadRobot | does someone in here uses StarOffice? |
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| 15:53.51 | Ronin | BadRobot: some do some dont |
| 15:54.05 | abrotman | but staroffice isn't in debian |
| 15:54.08 | fredl | anybody else having problems with torrentflux? |
| 15:54.17 | BadRobot | how can I install it? |
| 15:54.28 | BadRobot | I have it but in rpm's |
| 15:54.28 | Clockwise | fredl: what kinda probs do ya have? |
| 15:54.41 | Jyzygzel- | abrotman of alsa |
| 15:54.43 | fredl | it seems to be able to search on isohunt and gets hits on the search but it doesn't display the results anymore |
| 15:54.43 | stew | BadRobot: are you sure you are after staroffice and not openoffice.org? |
| 15:54.47 | lunitik | BadRobot: apt-cache show alien |
| 15:54.55 | abrotman | Jyzygzel-: man apt-get or man aptitude .. it tells you how |
| 15:54.59 | BadRobot | no i have OoO |
| 15:55.04 | stew | Jyzygzel-: why do you want to reinstall alsa? |
| 15:55.11 | Jyzygzel- | cause it does not work |
| 15:55.20 | BadRobot | but I need StarO too,for my work |
| 15:55.28 | stew | Jyzygzel-: have you run alsaconf? |
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| 15:55.31 | BadRobot | thx lunatik |
| 15:55.34 | fredl | (I know it gets results coz it says 'Page 1 of 50 (8385 items)...' |
| 15:55.41 | BadRobot | *lunitik |
| 15:55.58 | Jyzygzel- | --merge! |
| 15:56.01 | fredl | Clockwise you also use torrentflux? |
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| 16:01.36 | shamrock | asg: is pkill a controlled kill via a process entry point? |
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| 16:02.19 | Clockwise | fredl: used to some years ago, not anymore |
| 16:02.26 | Clockwise | any Dirvish-users around? :> |
| 16:02.44 | asg | shamrock: it's just like kill but allows one to kill based on the command name or strings in the full comandline |
| 16:02.56 | shamrock | asg and user. |
| 16:03.21 | shamrock | asg: is that what I want to "safely" tell multisync to close though from a script? Is there no other way? |
| 16:03.45 | asg | shamrock: yes, it handles killing processes for specific users |
| 16:04.13 | asg | shamrock: the manpage lists all the options |
| 16:04.32 | antixogh | brb |
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| 16:05.59 | johnfg | I'd rather do the dvd, so I guess I'll try for jigdo-lite. |
| 16:06.00 | Mullins | Does anyone know if there is a good burning tool for Debian/Linux (Doesn't have to be free) that has the ability to burn ISO or .CDR files on a 8.5 gig disk? |
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| 16:08.20 | johnfg | abrotman: Is the dvd iso available any other way than through jigdo? |
| 16:08.24 | cahoot | lunitik: according to the help in menuconfig one is supposed to pass an option to modprobe - the modprobe man page is not forthcoming on that option |
| 16:08.47 | abrotman | johnfg: for etch? |
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| 16:09.03 | abrotman | http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/4.0_r1/i386/iso-dvd/ |
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| 16:11.23 | antixogh | does any one know where a good free hosting site is like for a linux user group site? |
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| 16:11.40 | BadRobot | hei fellas to ask again,how can i convert some rpm's to .deb? |
| 16:11.42 | shamrock | asg: its not really what I want since its a "kill" as opposed to "please quit" but it works well with ivman. Just added an execun action and multisync quits now when I unplug my phone. Nice. |
| 16:12.04 | abrotman | BadRobot: alien |
| 16:12.06 | lunitik | cahoot: Ahh, thank you! I didn't realize you were looking it up for me, much appreciated, although unnecessary :) |
| 16:12.07 | Ronin | BadRobot: alien but why not just get the source file instead? or why not use openoffice |
| 16:12.08 | abrotman | antixogh: this is #debian |
| 16:12.33 | cahoot | lunitik: did it out of personal curiosity |
| 16:12.38 | techouse | antixogh: http://www.free-webhosts.com/ |
| 16:12.52 | antixogh | techouse: thank you |
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| 16:13.15 | BadRobot | i use OoO,but @ my work they use the dodge windows office |
| 16:13.24 | Ronin | so? |
| 16:13.28 | lunitik | cahoot: Alright, that makes me feel better! Thank you for your assistance! |
| 16:13.41 | gamag | please give me an example of local DNS server |
| 16:13.48 | abrotman | 127.0.0.1 |
| 16:13.50 | gamag | that I can install and experiment |
| 16:13.52 | abrotman | !prize me |
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| 16:13.52 | ThoMe | emm |
| 16:13.54 | BadRobot | only staroffice supports my doc's |
| 16:14.13 | ThoMe | what can i use for the graphic-card: 03:02.0 Display controller: Hewlett-Packard Company Visualize FX (rev 02) |
| 16:14.16 | ThoMe | ? |
| 16:14.17 | abrotman | BadRobot: debian has openoffice |
| 16:14.23 | BadRobot | sorry i mean only starofice works well with Windows Office |
| 16:14.27 | monuszko | Hey . I'm in the middle of a debootstrap and unsure what to do. It looks good so far, i got the message "Base system installed successfully." . I'm using http://www.linux.com/articles/114165 as my guide. |
| 16:14.28 | BadRobot | i know |
| 16:14.31 | abrotman | ThoMe: lspci | grep VGA |
| 16:14.39 | Ronin | so does OO lasttime i used it at work |
| 16:14.51 | techouse | what's the command again to view what a mouse key does? |
| 16:15.02 | techouse | x... something |
| 16:15.06 | cahoot | xev? |
| 16:15.12 | gamag | abrotman: I want to install a local DNS server and experiment. I have got response in the debian-ipv6, that disabling ipv6 would't disable ipv6 type DNS AAAA queries. for that I must install a local DNS server and disable AAAA in it and make this DNS forward A requests to ISP DNS |
| 16:15.16 | techouse | yes, that's it |
| 16:15.21 | fredl | it seems to be able to search on isohunt and gets hits on the search but it doesn't display the results anymore, does anybody else have the same problem? |
| 16:15.24 | abrotman | gamag: bind |
| 16:15.25 | monuszko | Hmm |
| 16:15.26 | abrotman | bind9 |
| 16:15.30 | asg | shamrock: kill is a 'please quit', kill -9 is a "You're going down buddy!" |
| 16:15.31 | monuszko | Wait a second... |
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| 16:15.36 | abrotman | fredl: cd.debian.org ? |
| 16:15.49 | gamag | abrotman: thanks |
| 16:15.54 | fredl | hmm what's that? |
| 16:16.04 | abrotman | fredl: don't you want debian ISOs ? |
| 16:16.22 | fredl | nope, I'm already running Debian. |
| 16:16.29 | abrotman | okay then |
| 16:16.36 | jelly-home | fredl: it didn't work at all last night here |
| 16:16.46 | monuszko | It says "after debootstrap finishes, chroot to the new installation and configure the system." How do I chroot ? |
| 16:16.50 | monuszko | Help ? Anyone ? |
| 16:16.58 | asg | monuszko: man chroot |
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| 16:17.16 | johnfg | abrotman: I think I've finally found them, but I note that there are three: Do I need to download all 3 images then cat them together into one? |
| 16:17.17 | fredl | jelly-home - well most didn't work but I often search on isohunt, that used to work. |
| 16:17.40 | abrotman | johnfg: they're all different DVD images .. but why are you using those instead of the netinst? |
| 16:17.46 | johnfg | Here's the directory: /debian-cd/4.0_r0/i386/iso-dvd |
| 16:17.50 | antixogh | fredl: what are you looking for? |
| 16:17.53 | monuszko | asg : if I mess something up now I either break my system or have to start over. It's rather important. |
| 16:17.58 | johnfg | abrotman: Which is faster? |
| 16:18.13 | monuszko | My /dev/sda1 is mounted at /mnt/debinst . I intend to use /dev/sda1 as / (root) |
| 16:18.13 | abrotman | johnfg: if you have broadband .. the netinst is more likely better |
| 16:18.33 | monuszko | /dev/sda3 is mounted at /mnt/debinst/home |
| 16:18.39 | fredl | antixogh - it doesn't much matter what I search for, on most search terms it seems like there's results but they don't show up. I wonder if the output format of isohunt has changed and that messed up torrentflux |
| 16:18.47 | asg | monuszko: chroot /path/to/where/deboostrap/downloaded/stuff /bin/bash |
| 16:18.55 | monuszko | and I'm following the article at http://www.linux.com/articles/114165 |
| 16:19.30 | Mullins | Does anyone know if there is a good burning tool for Debian/Linux (Doesn't have to be free) that has the ability to burn ISO or .CDR files on a 8.5 gig disk? |
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| 16:19.42 | johnfg | Yeah, I've got a good DSL. |
| 16:19.43 | monuszko | asg : so that would be /mnt/debinst ? |
| 16:19.43 | DexterF | hi |
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| 16:20.05 | DexterF | is there an easy way to install a mailing list on server I don't have root access to? |
| 16:20.26 | abrotman | !d-i johnfg |
| 16:20.26 | dpkg | johnfg, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/debian-installer/ Or http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ (if you've got hardware that the 4.0r0 installer doesn't support) for your own good, and everyone else's. |
| 16:20.33 | asg | monuszko: the article gives you the commands 'LC_ALL= ...' |
| 16:21.20 | antixogh | fredl: so you are just looking for a site that is working? isohunt worked fine for me, are you search from an application? |
| 16:21.23 | monuszko | I think I got it. I thought that I was supposed to chroot before that commands |
| 16:21.28 | gamag | does bind9 start named service? is named the DNS server? |
| 16:21.35 | monuszko | But there's ':' mark there. |
| 16:21.51 | fredl | antixogh - no I'm not searching for anything specific, do you use torrentflux? |
| 16:22.01 | asg | monuszko: ? |
| 16:22.10 | antixogh | fredl: afraid not |
| 16:22.10 | asg | gamag: yes |
| 16:22.10 | cahoot | Mullins: dvdrecord possibly |
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| 16:22.41 | johnfg | All of the links are extremely slow. I can't even get to the netinst image. Patience, right? |
| 16:22.59 | abrotman | johnfg: shouldn't be that slow .. maybe try the BT image? |
| 16:23.17 | antixogh | fredl: you can pm me and explain your problem a little more if you like. |
| 16:23.20 | fredl | antixogh - torrentflux is a web wrapper around bittornado, through the webfrontend it performs it's searches on some well known torrent sites and when you click on download, it starts up a bittornado on the server. |
| 16:23.25 | cahoot | Mullins: err dvdrecord-prodvd |
| 16:23.35 | abrotman | http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/4.0_r1/i386/bt-cd/debian-40r1-i386-netinst.iso.torrent |
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| 16:23.57 | monuszko | asg : I think it's ok now, the line "chroot and configure the system" ends with a :, so it means that it describes how to do it below. |
| 16:24.07 | gamag | like we aptitude reports which packages are unused and has to be removed, can we do the same using apt-get? |
| 16:24.08 | fredl | antixogh - it's real handy if you don like to download to your desktop and have to keep that powered on all the time. |
| 16:24.12 | asg | monuszko: yes, that's correct |
| 16:24.18 | monuszko | I'm a little paranoid because I nearly nuked my old /home directory, which I wish to preserve, with rm -rf |
| 16:24.22 | gamag | s/we aptitude/aptitude |
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| 16:24.44 | monuszko | I typed rm -rf /mnt/debinst . I have no idea why it stopped at /home2 saying the device is busy. |
| 16:24.56 | asg | monuszko: well, making backups is always suggested before performing anything such as this. Not required if you are careful but highly suggested. |
| 16:25.00 | fredl | antixogh - however, I think that torrentflux must have it's own HTML parsing routines to display the torrent site's output and that parsing is broken. |
| 16:25.01 | monuszko | I forgot my /home is already mounted under /mnt/debinst/home |
| 16:25.38 | monuszko | Except I don't really have a place to backup to right now. And I just nuked my kubuntu system partition anyway >:-) |
| 16:25.59 | antixogh | fredl: I might think about putting it on my link station assuming it will work in the command line only |
| 16:26.04 | monuszko | I can fall back to kubuntu live cd if needed, it's enough to access internet and ssh. |
| 16:26.11 | monuszko | and Konqueror. |
| 16:26.38 | fredl | antixogh - nope it doesn't work on the commandline, like I said it's a web application |
| 16:26.53 | fredl | that is, I never tried any text based browser on it |
| 16:27.20 | antixogh | hmm maybe I misunderstood you |
| 16:27.30 | antixogh | i'll read about it |
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| 16:27.55 | monuszko | Can I just copy my backed up /etc/fstab from kubuntu to debian ? I mean, it looks a bit strange. |
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| 16:28.31 | cahoot | use /dev/disk/by-uuid? |
| 16:28.35 | cahoot | uses |
| 16:28.36 | monuszko | For example UUID=7ec207b0-5191-4c11-9ca3-3d9abcfd45c0 / ext defaults, errors=remount-ro 0 |
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| 16:28.55 | antixogh | http://nas-central.org/index.php/Debian_torrentflux_install it looks like it will work |
| 16:28.56 | monuszko | I'm particularly puzzled by "UUID" thing. |
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| 16:29.36 | cahoot | partitions are not simply numbers now - the have an identity |
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| 16:31.24 | techouse | when i try to install debian etch 64-bit from DVD i just get a green line on the screen after i enter the install options and even if i don't enter any custom options and just press enter; this happens with installgui and install |
| 16:31.27 | techouse | any ideas? |
| 16:31.59 | antixogh | expertgui? |
| 16:32.29 | techouse | haven't tried that yet; but i guess that if even installgui won't run how could expertgui? |
| 16:32.49 | techouse | however i downloaded a testing DVD for the 64-bit edition |
| 16:32.50 | pobega | Hmm...Perhaps try noapic? Look through all of the options and try each one. |
| 16:32.55 | techouse | i'll try it later |
| 16:33.01 | lunitik | techouse: Which image did you grab? What type of system do you have? There are at least 4 64-bit ports of Debian I believe... |
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| 16:33.27 | johnfg | abrotman: Would you paste the actual torrent file for me? For some reason, none of the file links are working for me. |
| 16:33.34 | pobega | lunitik: Four? Which others are there besides Debian amd64? |
| 16:33.35 | abrotman | i just did |
| 16:33.41 | abrotman | http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/4.0_r1/i386/bt-cd/debian-40r1-i386-netinst.iso.torrent |
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| 16:33.59 | techouse | lunitik: the same system on which i'm currently running this 32-bit debian; i grabbed the 1st dvd of amd64 |
| 16:34.02 | lunitik | pobega: sparc64, ia64, ppc64 ... at the very least |
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| 16:34.11 | pmedia | again, it's me |
| 16:34.14 | pobega | lunitik: Oh, okay, now I see what you mean. Nevermind :) |
| 16:34.18 | techouse | and i already ran 64bit kubuntu on this machine |
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| 16:34.40 | Nyle | hm |
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| 16:34.49 | antixogh | bbl |
| 16:34.51 | techouse | but i already had the same problem with a 64bit edition of suse 10.2, i think; but that was a long time ago |
| 16:34.56 | lunitik | techouse: Kubuntu makes it a real easy decision... they only have one 64bit arch... |
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| 16:35.08 | abrotman | lunitik: mips |
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| 16:35.11 | lunitik | techouse: Again, which image did you grab? |
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| 16:35.18 | techouse | hold on |
| 16:35.31 | sipher | I have fresh install of lenny...evolution and app-installer segfault |
| 16:35.33 | sipher | any ideas? |
| 16:36.00 | pmedia | now at least one card works... the mach32 doesn't initializes, and when it initializes, the screen just show pixel-salad. I tried another videocard, Cirrus Logic 54xx, and it seemed to work.... but if I enter this screen with my mouse, the WHOLE system freezes. Also, it shoes terrible video errors, and I'm sure, I gave the card the right parameters, but it only wants to run in 640x480x8, maybe even 4 bit depth, I couldn't check without fr |
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| 16:36.04 | techouse | lunitik: this http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/4.0_r1/amd64/iso-dvd/debian-40r1-amd64-DVD-1.iso |
| 16:36.11 | pobega | sipher: We need more information; Which port of Debian, what processor you're running on, precise error messages. |
| 16:36.34 | sipher | x86 .. which port? and one sec for the error message |
| 16:36.42 | sipher | if you want to call it that :p |
| 16:36.43 | sipher | heh |
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| 16:37.14 | sipher | it crashes when trying to use the exchange connector |
| 16:37.16 | techouse | pobega: amd64 3000+, nforce4 chipset |
| 16:37.17 | pobega | sipher: By port I mean which version of Debian are you running: i386, amd64, etc. |
| 16:37.26 | sipher | i386 |
| 16:37.34 | lunitik | techouse: Only other thing would be if your hardware requires proprietary modules... Ubuntu will load them willy nilly... Debian is more strict... |
| 16:37.44 | techouse | currently i'm running i386 |
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| 16:38.16 | techouse | lunitik....don't know...i'll try the testing dvd now |
| 16:38.17 | pobega | techouse: lunitik has a point...Ubuntu may work because of preloaded proprietary modules, whereas Debian has none of such by default. |
| 16:38.22 | techouse | just gotta burn it |
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| 16:38.30 | karmatronic | does anyone use hotspotfield? |
| 16:38.35 | lunitik | techouse: Nvidia stuff is proprietary... you're sure they even have 64bit modules? |
| 16:38.47 | abrotman | has nothing to do with the installer |
| 16:38.53 | sipher | app-installer segfaults when doing a search |
| 16:38.53 | techouse | i ran kubuntu 64bit and suse on it before |
| 16:38.59 | lunitik | (Seems silly, but it would sort of make sense) |
| 16:39.00 | sipher | I search for anything..it will sefault. |
| 16:39.08 | techouse | and winxp 64bit and vista 64 |
| 16:39.09 | techouse | :D |
| 16:39.50 | techouse | maybe the burnt DVD is bad |
| 16:39.53 | techouse | :P |
| 16:40.06 | techouse | haven't crossed that option out yet |
| 16:40.19 | pobega | techouse: Like i said though, try noapic. |
| 16:40.24 | techouse | ok |
| 16:40.36 | pobega | techouse: I know I used to have to use this option when installing on friend's laptops (I have no problems on mine since I'm pure Intel) |
| 16:40.52 | techouse | :P |
| 16:40.59 | techouse | i want intel too :( |
| 16:41.04 | sipher | (evolution-2.10:13676): Gtk-CRITICAL **: gtk_widget_ensure_style: assertion `GTK_IS_WIDGET (widget)' failed |
| 16:41.05 | sipher | Segmentation fault |
| 16:41.36 | pobega | sipher: What release are you running? `cat /etc/debian_version` if you don't know. |
| 16:41.48 | sipher | lenny/sid |
| 16:42.00 | pobega | lunitik: Eh, my system's actually quiet for the most part; It also doesn't get hot ever (It's a laptop). |
| 16:42.16 | lunitik | pobega: Oh, my system is a desktop machine... |
| 16:42.18 | pobega | The only downfall to it is when I actually feel like playing a game (Ala Doom III) I can't because the video card support is horrid. |
| 16:42.43 | pobega | Err, I mean, the SUPPORT is good; The card itself sucks. |
| 16:42.52 | techouse | what card? |
| 16:43.09 | techouse | intel 9xx? |
| 16:43.13 | lunitik | pobega: I used to get decent FPS on my i815 card... then they decided to rewrite the driver, and it's no where near as good... |
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| 16:43.17 | pobega | i910, I think. I forgot how to check. |
| 16:43.41 | pobega | lunitik: It's not even the FPS; It's the support for 3d rendering and such. It's so far behind nVidia and ATi. |
| 16:44.12 | techouse | i wanna see how much faster a 64bit debian is in comparison to 32bit |
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| 16:44.31 | pobega | 00:02.1 Display controller: Intel Corporation Mobile 945GM/GMS/GME, 943/940GML Express Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 03) |
| 16:45.03 | pobega | techouse: I'm on it now, it's not THAT much faster in my experience. |
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| 16:45.35 | techouse | well....at least i'll use my cpu's entire capabilities |
| 16:45.37 | pobega | Although, it is noticable if you've been running i386 for a while. |
| 16:45.52 | lunitik | 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation 945G/GZ Express Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 02) |
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| 16:46.54 | sipher | that sucks =/ |
| 16:46.57 | sipher | no evolution? |
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| 16:47.45 | lunitik | Heh... guess not... I don't play much games and stuff anyways though :/ |
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| 16:48.20 | techouse | what's the cmd to check your gpu? |
| 16:48.23 | sipher | (gnome-app-install:13817): GStreamer-CRITICAL **: gst_structure_empty_new: assertion `gst_structure_validate_name (name)' failed |
| 16:48.24 | sipher | Segmentation fault |
| 16:48.46 | pobega | sipher: Perhaps report it as a bug using `reportbug` and see what the upstream maintainer says. |
| 16:48.50 | juliank | sipher: Fix pending. |
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| 16:49.22 | juliank | sipher_: Fix pending. |
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| 16:51.35 | sipher_ | Thanks |
| 16:52.00 | techouse | damn...i've just seen the AMD Phenom x4 9600 vs. Intel Core2Quad Q6600 results; soooo disappointing |
| 16:52.27 | abrotman | does it run debian? |
| 16:52.46 | techouse | hmm....why shouldn't it? |
| 16:53.05 | techouse | it supports the same instructions as intel + sse4 |
| 16:53.14 | eth01 | techouse, whatever. |
| 16:53.17 | eth01 | they are damn good / |
| 16:54.08 | techouse | eth01: well...i've just seen the charts and the q6000 was better in every one |
| 16:54.16 | abrotman | try #hardware |
| 16:55.10 | techouse | nah....i'll concentrate to switch from this lousy i386 to amd64 :D |
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| 16:57.34 | techouse | bye |
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| 16:59.26 | Bozz`` | Click please >>> http://bozz.myminicity.com/ <<<< Its not a VIRUS << Danke! |
| 16:59.28 | *** kick/#debian [Bozz``!n=debhelpe@unaffiliated/debhelper] by debhelper (use the paster bot or #flood) |
| 16:59.54 | cahoot | reassuring |
| 17:00.09 | asg | I'm sure lynx won't have a problem with it |
| 17:00.15 | jelly-home | it's really not a virus. It's a browser game with referer count |
| 17:00.37 | jelly-home | DON'T open it with anything, it helps him |
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| 17:01.20 | b0rsuk | I'm doing apt-cache search linux-image . What would be the right kernel for Core2Duo E6750 ? I want 32bit system. |
| 17:01.34 | b0rsuk | I'm in middle of debootstrap |
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| 17:02.20 | b0rsuk | Is linux-image-2.6.22-3-686 ok ? |
| 17:02.33 | tdn | I have two huge collections of photos, but a lot of them are duplicates. How would you recommend that I find all the duplicates? Can you recommend any software that does this? Or do I have to script my way out of it with collecting a lot of md5sums or similar? |
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| 17:03.11 | Xanthor[aw] | I use a graphic way : gqview has a feature to do this... |
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| 17:03.31 | alancio | can anybody help me get my sony vaio webcam working in linux? |
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| 17:03.35 | asg | tdn: or the fdupes package |
| 17:03.46 | wols | b0rsuk: 2.6.18-5 |
| 17:03.48 | asg | tdn: there's also findimagedupes |
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| 17:04.27 | wols | alancio: what debian version? |
| 17:04.50 | jelly-home | b0rsuk: yes, the 686 kernel ought to work |
| 17:04.50 | b0rsuk | wols : Oh, I'm installing Lenny via debootstrap |
| 17:04.57 | alancio | wols: the latest |
| 17:05.09 | wols | alancio: dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1 |
| 17:05.13 | tdn | asg, ok. Thanks. |
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| 17:06.09 | alancio | wols: I'm not using the laptop right now, but I have glibc 2.6.1 |
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| 17:06.37 | wols | alancio: come back when you use the laptop |
| 17:06.58 | alancio | wols: there are no drivers for debian |
| 17:07.16 | alancio | the driver is called r5u870 |
| 17:07.21 | alancio | and its not part of debian |
| 17:07.26 | wols | if you already know why do you ask? |
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| 17:07.40 | alancio | maybe somebody in here got it working in debian |
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| 17:07.50 | alancio | I mean, sony vaio laptops are popular |
| 17:07.58 | asg | alancio: check tuxmobile.org |
| 17:08.18 | alancio | thanks asg |
| 17:08.33 | alancio | I already found the driver for windows vista, and the firmware has to be in there |
| 17:08.42 | alancio | but when I run the installer with wine, it hangs |
| 17:08.50 | wols | duh! |
| 17:08.53 | alancio | and I even know the filename of the driver |
| 17:08.57 | wols | why would it work in wine? |
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| 17:09.10 | alancio | I have no other option, I don't have windows vista |
| 17:09.20 | alancio | it doesn't run in XP either |
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| 17:09.26 | jelly-home | wols: not the driver... presumably he just wants the firmware out of it |
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| 17:09.44 | wols | jelly-home: the installer would install the driver. somethng that cannot work in wine |
| 17:09.54 | alancio | yes, I only want the firmware |
| 17:09.57 | abrotman | most installers can be extracted with unzip |
| 17:10.04 | jelly-home | wols: why shouldn't the installation work? |
| 17:10.06 | wols | a driver installer registers the driver with the OS and starts it. wine goes boom |
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| 17:10.41 | jelly-home | wols: that's good enough, as it means the files get unpacked and installed before that |
| 17:10.47 | alancio | the installer detects its not windows vista, and aborts |
| 17:11.01 | wols | jelly-home: and immediately deleted when it blows up |
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| 17:11.29 | abrotman | alancio: try unzip |
| 17:11.59 | johnfg | abrotman: Would you post the bittorrent for the i386 netinstall image again? It timed out, and I didn't have the channel saved to my logs directory, sorry. |
| 17:12.09 | wols | cabs are not zip files last I checked |
| 17:12.11 | alancio | abrotman: already did |
| 17:12.19 | wols | !d-i |
| 17:12.19 | dpkg | Etch 4.0r0 is now the "Stable" debian release (April 8, 2007) see http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/debian-installer/ for images. Sarge is still available at http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/debian-installer/ Developers page is http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ .. If you want to make custom install cds, start with d-i. IRC: oftc.net: #debian-boot. Lenny is now Testing! |
| 17:12.19 | abrotman | http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/4.0_r1/i386/bt-cd/debian-40r1-i386-netinst.iso.torrent |
| 17:12.19 | alancio | some installers can be extracted with winzip |
| 17:12.25 | jelly-home | .msi are not either |
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| 17:12.54 | jelly-home | cabextract is supposed to work on .cab files |
| 17:13.17 | alancio | where can I find somebody with this laptop and windows installed? |
| 17:13.27 | abrotman | alancio: where's the website to download the driver? |
| 17:13.31 | wols | alancio: not here |
| 17:13.47 | alancio | abrotman: I'm looking for the link |
| 17:14.43 | jelly-home | !laptop |
| 17:14.44 | dpkg | rumour has it, laptop is All there is worth knowing about linux and laptops can be found at http://www.linux-laptop.net/ and http://tuxmobil.org/ and also ask me about <acpi> and <suspend>, or see the debian-laptop mailing list at http://lists.debian.org/debian-laptop/ For Thinkpads, ask me about <thinkpad> |
| 17:16.54 | alancio | abrotman: http://esupport.sony.com/US/perl/swu-download.pl?mdl=VGNFZ240E&upd_id=3051&os_id=28 |
| 17:16.55 | Daveman | yay abrotman |
| 17:17.01 | Daveman | ready for more snow? :) |
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| 17:17.13 | alancio | they use LAMP for their servers, and they don't release linux drivers |
| 17:17.28 | johnfg | abrotman: I went to bittorrent.com, and it says it can't find that torrent file that you posted! |
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| 17:18.32 | abrotman | johnfg: why does that matter? do you hve a bittorrent program ? |
| 17:18.58 | johnfg | Yup. |
| 17:19.10 | johnfg | But it timed out too! |
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| 17:19.22 | sparr_d | What uses the .xdesktop file? Where can I find the syntax for it? |
| 17:20.14 | abrotman | johnfg: what timed out? did you download the torrent file? |
| 17:20.43 | abrotman | or just download the ISO http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/4.0_r1/i386/iso-cd/debian-40r1-i386-netinst.iso |
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| 17:23.19 | jelly-home | alancio: this is why you have to research the linux support in hardware you're planning to buy |
| 17:23.44 | alancio | jelly-home: they don't really tell you the hardware usbids and pcids |
| 17:23.59 | b0rsuk | quit |
| 17:24.35 | jelly-home | alancio: the vendor might not, but the fools who already bought it and posted lspci/lsusb outputs available via google do |
| 17:24.38 | Jyzygzel- | hey did you guys know that rsync won't work with foreign chars? |
| 17:24.58 | alancio | I guess I was the fool this time, the laptop was too new |
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| 17:25.27 | ThoMe | abrotman: |
| 17:25.27 | ThoMe | phonesurf:/var/www/phonesurf.keks.be# lspci | grep VGA |
| 17:25.27 | ThoMe | phonesurf:/var/www/phonesurf.keks.be# |
| 17:25.30 | abrotman | i still didn't get a URL for the driver |
| 17:25.37 | wols | ThoMe: lspci then |
| 17:25.45 | abrotman | ThoMe: use vesa ? |
| 17:25.45 | ThoMe | 03:02.0 Display controller: Hewlett-Packard Company Visualize FX (rev 02) |
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| 17:26.49 | ThoMe | wols: Die karte sagt mir halt nix. |
| 17:27.02 | jelly-home | !de |
| 17:27.02 | dpkg | deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de (auf irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net oder irc.belwue.de) - German speaking users please go to #debian.de (on irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net or irc.belwue.de) |
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| 17:27.21 | wols | ThoMe: no xorg support |
| 17:27.33 | ThoMe | No? Mhh. wols And now? :/ |
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| 17:29.10 | ThoMe | wols: hmm. any ideas? how i can use this card with debian? |
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| 17:29.24 | wols | ThoMe: try fbdevhw |
| 17:29.32 | ThoMe | framebufer? |
| 17:29.33 | ThoMe | +f |
| 17:29.47 | ThoMe | is this genauso gut wie xorgdrivers? |
| 17:30.19 | wols | !de |
| 17:30.19 | dpkg | deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de (auf irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net oder irc.belwue.de) - German speaking users please go to #debian.de (on irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net or irc.belwue.de) |
| 17:30.45 | wols | it IS a xorg driver |
| 17:31.19 | ThoMe | is this just as well how as xorgdrivers? |
| 17:31.20 | ThoMe | ? |
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| 17:31.25 | ThoMe | ah ok |
| 17:31.30 | ThoMe | wols: sorry please :P |
| 17:32.45 | grendal_prime | i have a script in running that takes my syslog-ng output and throws it into a handly little table on my postgresql database...i love what this thing does...but...when it fails its a nightmare..im trying to right an init.d script that will fire it up on boot... |
| 17:32.57 | ThoMe | wols: have a AD1889 sound card. is the card supported? |
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| 17:33.53 | grendal_prime | problem is..it uses a pipe..in the /tmp folder..on reboot the pipe is gone..so it just throws an error and will build a huge syslog file..9 gigs or so..whatever it has available.. |
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| 17:36.34 | grendal_prime | my biggest concern is that...if this process dies for whatever reason..is there a way to check for that and start it back up? |
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| 17:37.07 | wols | grendal_prime: cronjob that runs pidof and restarts it? |
| 17:37.12 | bliss_ | does debian etch have the DB _File module instaaled by default with Perl? |
| 17:37.21 | bliss_ | installed |
| 17:37.38 | wols | !tell bliss_ about search |
| 17:37.43 | hoxu | !installit |
| 17:37.44 | dpkg | *** NEWS FLASH! *** Your box does not come with every app, tool and utility known to debiankind installed already. If you find that the program you've been told to use isn't there, install it. Also ask me about <search>. if someone suggests an application to you, it's highly likely that it's available via apt-get, or aptitude |
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| 17:39.03 | bliss_ | wols: thanks |
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| 17:44.15 | bliss_ | wols: i did a serch for DB_File and i got libdb-file-lock-perl - Provides a wrapper for the DB_File module, adding locking and libmldbm-perl - Store multidimensional hash structures in perl tied hashes so the answer is yes |
| 17:44.40 | bliss_ | wols: thanks |
| 17:44.46 | hoxu | bliss_, does not mean it's installed |
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| 17:47.05 | expose | Is any2dvd in one of the 3rd party testing repositorys? how to find out? |
| 17:47.46 | b0rsuk | Hey, installing base system here. What's the most minimal way to install kde ? I suspect 'kde' package is a metapackage and will install all unneeded crap 'ubuntu way'. |
| 17:48.07 | simonrvn | aptitude; then choosing what you want |
| 17:48.37 | b0rsuk | Bleh. I know I can just apt-get install kde, but I want to avoid installing extra crap. |
| 17:48.51 | expose | b0rsuk: do sth like "aptitude install konqueror" etc for all the user-level components you want. the libs will be pulled in since they are dependencies. |
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| 17:49.24 | bliss_ | b0rsuk: its only 'crap" because they know no better |
| 17:49.24 | b0rsuk | Ok, now I'm getting somewhere. I typed apt-get install konqueror . |
| 17:50.37 | b0rsuk | I'm trying to install it via dependences. bliss_ : if you mean to defend ubuntu users, I don't mind if they install what they want. Ubuntu is good for basic needs. But for me, extra unneeded packages are crap, nothing to argue here. |
| 17:51.10 | hoxu | b0rsuk, kde-base? |
| 17:51.13 | b0rsuk | expose : I thought exactly about that :-) |
| 17:51.25 | hoxu | b0rsuk, err, kdebase |
| 17:51.37 | expose | b0rsuk: i did it the following way: i went to packages.debian.org, i searched for "kde", and clicked all the dependencies in a new tab, then closed the "kde metapackage" and went on like that. |
| 17:51.40 | b0rsuk | hoxu : I installed konqueror and it seems to do the trick. Will I need to 'startx' each time, like in the days of old ? |
| 17:51.50 | expose | b0rsuk: it takes a bit of time, but works very well. |
| 17:51.56 | b0rsuk | expose : No desktop here, just commandline. |
| 17:52.01 | hoxu | b0rsuk, install a display manager, then no :p |
| 17:52.04 | b0rsuk | No clicking. irsssi . |
| 17:52.17 | b0rsuk | hoxu : you mean kdm ? |
| 17:52.23 | hoxu | b0rsuk, or gdm, whatever you prefer |
| 17:52.33 | expose | b0rsuk: then get yourself a konqueror, and a extremely basic graphical system so you can do it. |
| 17:52.35 | b0rsuk | gdm = gnome = evil, right ? |
| 17:52.48 | expose | no flamewars in here. |
| 17:52.52 | expose | go to quakenet for that. |
| 17:53.08 | b0rsuk | Ok, I'm exaggerating a little, but I still think gnome is evil. |
| 17:53.29 | b0rsuk | I am entitled to my opinion :-) |
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| 17:53.34 | hoxu | !opinions |
| 17:53.34 | dpkg | opinions are like assholes, everyone has one, they all stink, and it's really not polite to air yours in public, or be prepared to defend yours if you do show it in #debian. Your opinion, not your asshole. Well, maybe both. |
| 17:53.57 | bliss_ | hoxu: correct they were not installed they are now:) here's me thinking they were |
| 17:54.02 | simonrvn | !factinfo opinions |
| 17:54.02 | dpkg | opinions -- last modified at Sat Jun 11 08:27:11 2005 by Guerin!~magpie@60.197.208.2; it has been requested 20 times, last by hoxu, 29s ago. |
| 17:54.03 | expose | hehe, very right. |
| 17:54.36 | bliss_ | dpkg; you keep logs? |
| 17:54.56 | eth01 | it does indeed |
| 17:55.07 | bliss_ | well thata a first |
| 17:55.12 | bliss_ | thats |
| 17:55.29 | expose | apt-get.org, backports.org, sth further? |
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| 17:56.10 | bliss_ | wonder if it has any logs about me! |
| 17:57.41 | mackss | for some reason debian keeps getting me to install the same kernel image. When i did i got this message. Am i safe to reboot even though there were failures with the source symlinks? http://pastebin.com/d5c761b86 |
| 17:58.36 | abrotman | yes |
| 17:59.17 | mackss | why does debian keep telling me to update my linux images if they are the same version? |
| 17:59.25 | mackss | err apt |
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| 18:01.28 | Nigromante | hello |
| 18:02.30 | b0rsuk | Hi |
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| 18:02.42 | abrotman | mackss: security |
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| 18:03.04 | Ready1 | hi |
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| 18:08.51 | mackss | abrotman: hrm. thanks for the help. It did reboot as you said :D |
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| 18:09.55 | mackss | now i just need to track down a friggen memory leak |
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| 18:11.29 | Rui | hello |
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| 18:11.54 | versuchsanstalt | hi Rui |
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| 18:11.57 | Rui | anybody else having problems installing amarok under sid? |
| 18:12.10 | Rui | because of libmtp6 |
| 18:12.29 | abrotman | !bts |
| 18:12.29 | dpkg | Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or http://bugs.debian.org/bugnumber . aptitude install reportbug, and check out <querybts> too. Users of sid and testing are required to check the BTS. Useful for sid and testing: aptitude install apt-listbugs apt-listchanges . |
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| 18:22.27 | abrotman | !qotd0 |
| 18:22.27 | dpkg | <caphuso> linagee: so, now would be a good time to start reading the fucking manual before i start fucking you |
| 18:22.55 | Jyzygzel- | how do you CD in to directory ------------fobar---- |
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| 18:23.22 | abrotman | cd -- --stupidname--- |
| 18:23.49 | cahoot | hmm that's $HOME here |
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| 18:24.39 | abrotman | or use " |
| 18:25.12 | blinx | how can I change the order of my two tv cards? |
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| 18:26.00 | blinx | I played a bit with some options like index=... (as it works with alsa) in /etc/modules but there was no effect.... |
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| 18:30.29 | bliss_ | baisc question i know to add user but if i want a userid and the same groupid what is the coomand |
| 18:31.01 | hoxu | man adduser |
| 18:31.23 | bliss_ | hoxu: man adduser yes thanks |
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| 18:32.01 | psyche_ | i still need help with port forwarding |
| 18:32.19 | cusco | psyche_: on iptables? |
| 18:32.29 | psyche_ | YEP |
| 18:32.31 | psyche_ | yep |
| 18:32.37 | psyche_ | i want to forward port 80 into other machine |
| 18:32.39 | Ronin | psyche_: #iptables |
| 18:33.57 | petemc | iptables -t nat -A PREROUTING -p tcp -i eth0 -d externalip --dport 80 -j DNAT --to internalip |
| 18:34.19 | Billionaire | I've installed compiz with gnome on my debian unstable, I put compiz --replace -v & on gnome sessions |
| 18:34.25 | Billionaire | but when gnome start |
| 18:34.34 | Billionaire | compiz doesn't start |
| 18:34.50 | Nigromante | which card, Billionaire ? |
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| 18:34.56 | cusco | Billionaire: don't you have fusion-icon? |
| 18:34.57 | Billionaire | nvidia |
| 18:35.01 | Nigromante | ahhhh |
| 18:35.06 | Nigromante | debian etch?? |
| 18:35.13 | cusco | (unstable) |
| 18:35.21 | Nigromante | ah yes |
| 18:35.35 | Nigromante | I had problem with drivers in etch |
| 18:35.41 | Nigromante | may be also in unstable |
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| 18:36.22 | cusco | glxinfo|grep -i dir |
| 18:36.29 | cusco | yes or no? |
| 18:36.35 | Nigromante | you may have to read documentation for compatibility issues, Billionaire |
| 18:36.42 | Billionaire | cusco, fusion-icon not installed |
| 18:36.58 | cusco | Billionaire: install it and save some headaches |
| 18:37.18 | Billionaire | to the previous question: Yes |
| 18:37.31 | cusco | cool |
| 18:37.55 | cusco | so ... let me get this straight compiz doesn't start when you start gnome? |
| 18:38.01 | cusco | but if you run it, does it start? |
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| 18:38.42 | Billionaire | yes, if after gnome started I try to compiz |
| 18:38.51 | Billionaire | compiz work correctly |
| 18:38.57 | x_link | cusco: You can make it autostart with GNOME. |
| 18:39.15 | Nigromante | in gnomerc ? |
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| 18:43.10 | cusco | I can autostart fusion icon in gnome sessions |
| 18:43.13 | cusco | ... dunno |
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| 18:43.20 | ribnitz | heyas |
| 18:43.31 | cusco | perhaps you should opuyput the sessions starting compiz commmand to a logfile |
| 18:43.48 | cusco | like compiz --replace --blabla >> ~/compiz.log |
| 18:44.05 | ribnitz | if I upgrade my kernel 2.6.22-2 to 2.6.23-... do I manually build the nvidia and alsa-modules? |
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| 18:44.24 | Nigromante | nvidia modules, ribnitz |
| 18:44.50 | ribnitz | Nigromante: you mean they don't exist precompiled in sid/experimental? |
| 18:45.04 | Nigromante | if it is a custom kernel, not |
| 18:45.08 | wols | ribnitz: right |
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| 18:45.10 | abrotman | !nvidia_post_etch |
| 18:45.11 | dpkg | it has been said that nvidia_post_etch is update-pciids && apt-get install module-assistant nvidia-kernel-source && m-a prepare && m-a a-i nvidia && apt-get install nvidia-glx && depmod -a && modprobe nvidia && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg |
| 18:45.16 | wols | Nigromante: they don#t exist for sid kernels |
| 18:45.25 | sdubois92 | I installed GNUstep but WDM doesnt see it |
| 18:45.38 | ribnitz | Nigromante: linux-image.. |
| 18:45.41 | abrotman | does anyone use gnustep? |
| 18:45.44 | abrotman | :) |
| 18:45.52 | sdubois92 | i want to try it out |
| 18:45.55 | Nigromante | ^^ |
| 18:46.26 | abrotman | YAY! |
| 18:46.28 | Jyzygzel- | hey "ls" command for Descending Size |
| 18:46.32 | ribnitz | abrotman: used to before switching to XFCE: |
| 18:46.38 | Jyzygzel- | i wanna see whats thaking all this space |
| 18:46.41 | Nigromante | well, i'm using debian etch and kernel 2.6.23. in this case i must compile myself |
| 18:46.57 | Nigromante | (using nvidia-kernel-source package) |
| 18:47.09 | wols | Jyzygzel-: man ls |
| 18:47.14 | Jyzygzel- | well i tried |
| 18:47.17 | Jyzygzel- | its so crappy the manual |
| 18:47.19 | ribnitz | Jyzygzel-: -lurt gives nice results. |
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| 18:47.57 | Billionaire | cusco I've installed fusion-icon, now try to restart gnome and compiz |
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| 18:48.20 | Jyzygzel- | o.o |
| 18:48.26 | itchi | Jyzygzel-: Do you want ncdu ? |
| 18:48.53 | ribnitz | Jyzygzel-: -S sort by size. -r reverse order |
| 18:49.04 | Jyzygzel- | it does not SHOW the size |
| 18:49.14 | wols | Jyzygzel-: ls -l |
| 18:49.25 | Jyzygzel- | so -lSh |
| 18:49.25 | itchi | Jyzygzel-: Well, what do you smoke? :-p |
| 18:49.43 | Jyzygzel- | ls -lShr | tail -n 10 |
| 18:50.00 | Jyzygzel- | i wonder why doesn't the konsole color kick in when using that |
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| 18:50.37 | ribnitz | Jyzygzel-: ls -lsk|head, the first number is size in k |
| 18:50.56 | emergo | Im trying to find a vncserver lookalike that are able to connect to current session. Is there such a thing for debian ? |
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| 18:51.40 | Jyzygzel- | hmm doesn't work for directorys |
| 18:51.40 | wols | emergo: not in debian. freenx |
| 18:51.44 | wols | !freenx |
| 18:51.44 | dpkg | freenx is probably a Free implementation of the nomachine.com caching system for X, RDP and VNC, based on their GPLd libraries. packages for sarge: "deb http://www.linux.lk/~anuradha/nx/ ./" packages for etch/sid: "deb ftp://ftp.ekhis.org/ekhis/ experimental main" |
| 18:51.48 | Jyzygzel- | like which is the biggest directory |
| 18:51.56 | Jyzygzel- | im trying to clean some space |
| 18:52.03 | Jyzygzel- | is there a graphical tool for that? |
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| 18:52.17 | ribnitz | Jyzygzel-: du |
| 18:52.23 | ribnitz | (non-grahpical |
| 18:52.36 | itchi | emergo: If i'm right, you need to hack the X sources. That's noted in tightvnc or somethings like that. |
| 18:52.41 | itchi | ribnitz: ncdu is ncurse bassed |
| 18:52.47 | Jyzygzel- | filelight - show where your diskspace is being used |
| 18:53.10 | emergo | itchi: Yes cause I know I've used it some years back |
| 18:53.11 | Jyzygzel- | apt-get install filelight gdmap xdiskusage |
| 18:53.26 | itchi | Jyzygzel-: ncdu does that in cli, very nice when there's no X |
| 18:53.30 | ribnitz | btw, my k3b stopped being able to burn cd-text...? |
| 18:53.39 | Jyzygzel- | oh |
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| 18:53.47 | Jyzygzel- | well i have to look into that |
| 18:53.55 | Jyzygzel- | good cli tools are always nice |
| 18:53.59 | emergo | wols: freenx works but looks like shit... do I have to have to same resolution on both host and server for it to work ? I can hardly read it |
| 18:54.00 | itchi | Jyzygzel-: The dpkg bot has a factoid about disk usage too |
| 18:54.42 | Jord | !tcpxd |
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| 18:55.07 | wols | emergo: no clue |
| 18:55.12 | Billionaire | cusco, it doesn't work |
| 18:55.37 | Jord | !relay |
| 18:55.38 | expose | is apt-get.org/search.php always so slow? |
| 18:55.52 | expose | ("Search took 99.29 seconds.") |
| 18:55.57 | Jord | lol |
| 18:56.15 | emergo | wols: oki |
| 18:56.36 | Jord | !tcprelay |
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| 18:57.03 | Jord | oh come on, tcprelay is in aptitude |
| 18:57.04 | Jord | :/ |
| 18:57.57 | itchi | Jyzygzel-: If you want there's gt5 too. |
| 18:58.15 | bzed | expose: use packages.debian.org :) |
| 18:58.17 | Jyzygzel- | good |
| 18:58.22 | cusco | Billionaire: works here... |
| 18:58.25 | expose | bzed: that just aint the same. |
| 18:58.31 | cusco | I just run fusion-icon on the gnome sessions thingie |
| 18:58.32 | Jyzygzel- | filelight was horrible |
| 18:59.26 | expose | bzed: if the package would be in testing, i'd use it. i want to use any2dvd, and it depends on mplex with is part of mjpeg( mjpeg.sf.net ) but there is no official package for that. |
| 18:59.26 | bzed | expose: no, but chances that the packages work are a lot times higer there |
| 18:59.41 | bzed | expose: debian-multimedia.org probably? |
| 18:59.55 | expose | .oO(...and chances that the maintainer responds to a bug report alot times lower...) |
| 19:00.11 | Tramp | Jyzygzel-: If you want coloured-output when pipeing use "--color=always". If you want to know, why this is not the default, pipe it into less. |
| 19:00.14 | itchi | Jyzygzel-: Most K apps are :-p |
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| 19:01.00 | Jyzygzel- | pipe colored ls ouput to less? |
| 19:01.07 | Jyzygzel- | something terrible happends? :-D |
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| 19:02.19 | expose | bzed: thanks! it's available via -multimedia.org |
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| 19:02.28 | Tramp | Jyzygzel-: that's why the setup uses --color=auto (see alias ls - although aliassing a system-command like this is questionable, but that's another issue...) |
| 19:02.36 | wols | !tell expose about bobbitt |
| 19:02.37 | bzed | expose: you're welcome |
| 19:02.40 | wols | expose: then use dmm |
| 19:02.44 | wols | oops |
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| 19:03.57 | b0rsuk | Hmm |
| 19:04.17 | b0rsuk | startx |
| 19:04.23 | itchi | b0rsuk: Failed |
| 19:04.42 | b0rsuk | X: cannot stat /etc/X11/X (no such file or directory), aborting |
| 19:04.49 | expose | wols: oh, well, i prefer systems that have the software i need to get things done. when things arent in testing, i pin them and go on. |
| 19:04.52 | b0rsuk | I have no idea what to do. |
| 19:05.00 | expose | b0rsuk: aptitude install xserver-xorg |
| 19:05.01 | ribnitz | b0rsuk: install X? |
| 19:05.08 | itchi | b0rsuk: X is a symlink |
| 19:05.26 | expose | b0rsuk: btw, apt-rdepends might be helpfull with your kde problem |
| 19:05.28 | b0rsuk | xserver-xorg. Strange that it's not in kde metapackage. I gave up and installed 'kde' |
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| 19:06.03 | ribnitz | b0rsuk: kde is evil.. ;) |
| 19:06.14 | b0rsuk | Hey, I just removed 'kde' metapackage and all other packages remained ! Unlike in ubuntu, which would want to deinstall everything |
| 19:06.24 | b0rsuk | b0rsuk is evil, too ! kde fits to b0rsuk ! |
| 19:06.32 | b0rsuk | http://evil-guide.tripod.com |
| 19:06.46 | b0rsuk | Thanks for help |
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| 19:06.59 | wols | expose: great way to break your system |
| 19:07.05 | abrotman | removed how? |
| 19:07.07 | Jyzygzel- | so stew you are so smart guy that you must know why isn't the rsync wating to copy filenames that have foreign letters |
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| 19:07.27 | b0rsuk | expose : Why would I use aptitude instead of more manly apt-get ? |
| 19:07.39 | grendal_prime | this script im working with..on boot it looks for a pipe in /tmp/ apartently id does deleted or something...would that be becasue its in the tmp dir? |
| 19:07.42 | wols | !tell b0rsuk about why_aptitude |
| 19:07.45 | b0rsuk | Squirrels report aptitude is sometimes _too_ smart uninstalling stuff. |
| 19:07.51 | grendal_prime | tmp gets whiped out on system shutdown? |
| 19:07.55 | bonez44 | is there a way to strip away all formatting on text, to yield just raw text? I get articles sometimes in email..and they come with margins, formatting and stuff that I want to strip away.... |
| 19:08.06 | wols | grendal_prime: yes. /tmp gets erased on boot |
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| 19:08.17 | SR71-Blackbird | bonez44, copy, paste? |
| 19:08.25 | grendal_prime | shit..i can put that in like...var/log right? |
| 19:08.31 | ribnitz | grendal_prime: usually yes. |
| 19:08.31 | itchi | bonez44: Ask to get plain text messages?? |
| 19:08.38 | abrotman | hrm .. why was i going to pick on SR71-Blackbird ... |
| 19:08.44 | grendal_prime | do i have to write pipes to the /tmp...i mean is that best practice? |
| 19:08.46 | wols | grendal_prime: wha kind of pipe? what for? |
| 19:08.47 | b0rsuk | bonez44 : awk, perhaps ? |
| 19:08.50 | expose | wols: when things arent in testing, but i need them, i rely on unstable or 3rd party repositorys. i got a handfull of apps that way, for instance xorg since the testing version doesnt yet support my hardware. |
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| 19:08.55 | ribnitz | grendal_prime: unless you are admin, no.. |
| 19:09.05 | grendal_prime | syslog-ng is writing it.. |
| 19:09.07 | b0rsuk | well, why_aptitude didn't work |
| 19:09.11 | bonez44 | itchi: right....these are from people who use OE or Outlook...no way I'll convert them all to plain text email |
| 19:09.27 | ribnitz | grendal_prime: then would probably be in /var/log |
| 19:09.28 | bonez44 | b0rsuk: yes, awk.....is there a tutorial for awk to clean stuff up? |
| 19:09.32 | grendal_prime | it is part of a process for importing the syslog-ng data into a postgresql table |
| 19:09.32 | wols | expose: learn about backports. don't install stuff rfom all over or you WILL break your debian. and we doN#t like kids crying |
| 19:09.35 | b0rsuk | bonez44 : Do you know a bit about programming ? |
| 19:09.45 | itchi | bonez44: There are tools to convert html to plain text |
| 19:09.53 | bonez44 | SR71-Blackbird: well, I can ALREADY do that....painstakingly removing every CR and tab space |
| 19:09.57 | abrotman | bonez44: export the emails? save as text .. strip out extra spaces and tabs |
| 19:10.01 | abrotman | using sed |
| 19:10.11 | itchi | bonez44: html2text for example |
| 19:10.12 | bonez44 | sed and awk..ok. I'll check on those |
| 19:10.16 | b0rsuk | bonez44 : try apt-cache search html |
| 19:10.28 | expose | wols: there are backports for xorg versions that are just a few of weeks old? |
| 19:10.33 | expose | -of |
| 19:10.37 | b0rsuk | And read package descriptions. If there's a tool for converting it, it's probably listed there. |
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| 19:11.24 | bonez44 | b0rsuk: not a programmer, but not chicken about learning a little basic programming it it will get the job done |
| 19:11.54 | itchi | bonez44: Use html2text and your job is done |
| 19:11.56 | TrueDD | Good night all |
| 19:12.02 | b0rsuk | bonez44 : good attitude. There are probably better tools, but awk is all about formatting lines. |
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| 19:12.37 | bonez44 | itchi: ok, I just check the manpage...looks like html2text will be my answer |
| 19:12.58 | b0rsuk | html2text sounds interesting. |
| 19:13.02 | itchi | bonez44: Or put a new virus on they boxes :-p |
| 19:13.21 | itchi | bonez44: A day later, you come back: Hi guys, did you try Debian :-p |
| 19:13.30 | bonez44 | yeah, that's right |
| 19:13.41 | itchi | bonez44: Nah, that's evil :-) |
| 19:14.30 | b0rsuk | bonez44 : apt-get install html2text |
| 19:14.35 | b0rsuk | man html2text |
| 19:14.45 | itchi | I hate my team leader, he always complain when i sent him plain text email. |
| 19:14.59 | b0rsuk | itchi : ouch. |
| 19:15.24 | b0rsuk | itchi : send him .tex files, that will show him ! |
| 19:15.35 | expose | wols: and FWI, that package aint in backports.org either. |
| 19:15.36 | itchi | b0rsuk: nah |
| 19:15.56 | itchi | b0rsuk: I will change of job soon :-p |
| 19:16.08 | b0rsuk | We were recently bought out by Boeing, and suddenly I started to understand Dilbert. |
| 19:16.09 | cusco | anybody with testing having some weird behaviour on iceweasel? like... not showing all the letters?! |
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| 19:16.21 | expose | and the same goes for xorg. |
| 19:16.29 | itchi | cusco: Works right here |
| 19:16.40 | cusco | itchi: did you apt upgrade4d recently? |
| 19:16.45 | wols | expose: it is in dmm due to legal reasons most likely |
| 19:16.48 | itchi | cusco: Yesterday or so |
| 19:16.57 | cusco | yea... yesterday me too |
| 19:17.05 | cahoot | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:17.12 | cusco | thats odd... there are loads of letters that don't show |
| 19:17.22 | cusco | .de |
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| 19:17.24 | _abc_ | hi guys |
| 19:17.25 | wols | expose: what videocard do you have? |
| 19:17.25 | cusco | !de |
| 19:17.25 | dpkg | deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de (auf irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net oder irc.belwue.de) - German speaking users please go to #debian.de (on irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net or irc.belwue.de) |
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| 19:17.42 | expose | wols: well - doesnt matter why it is there: there is no other way to get it except building the package myself as soon as there are updates, and i dont have the time to maintain even more. period. |
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| 19:18.15 | wols | expose: what videocard? |
| 19:18.19 | expose | i could do LFS as well, and do everything myself but i see no reason for reinventing the wheel since it always spung round for me. |
| 19:18.39 | _abc_ | silly question: has anyone compiled a recent debian kernel with the default config and has had no problems with the initrd ? I have a strange problem in that I cannot get the kernel to mount root and the initrd has strange problems. |
| 19:19.04 | b0rsuk | ok, xserver installed. Now it complains about lack of 'nv' file. Something with gfx drivers. |
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| 19:19.20 | wols | _abc_: initramfs-tools are installed? |
| 19:19.27 | _abc_ | in other words: what is the preferred format of the initrd ? |
| 19:19.33 | wols | b0rsuk: install xorg |
| 19:19.35 | _abc_ | wolffc, don't know. checking now |
| 19:19.43 | b0rsuk | fatal server error : no valid FontPath could be found |
| 19:20.00 | wols | _abc_: dpkg-reconfigure your linux-image |
| 19:20.10 | _abc_ | wols, I built the initrd by hand using the original one, just copying in the modules |
| 19:20.10 | wols | b0rsuk: did you installed xorg? |
| 19:20.20 | wols | _abc_: that's not how to do it |
| 19:20.20 | expose | wols: intel 965 |
| 19:20.29 | b0rsuk | You make me feel so dumb :( |
| 19:20.30 | wols | expose: that one has drivers since forever |
| 19:20.40 | _abc_ | wols I have been at this since slackware @1994 :) |
| 19:20.43 | expose | wols: needs 2.1.1 or later. i didnt find that in testing. |
| 19:20.57 | _abc_ | wols I have to do it by hand. |
| 19:21.02 | wols | _abc_: this is not slackware. did you use kernel-package? |
| 19:21.03 | b0rsuk | Of couse I haven't installed xorg . I assumedI assumed xserver-xorg did the job. |
| 19:21.07 | _abc_ | so what's the format of the initrd ? |
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| 19:21.12 | wols | _abc_: you are wrong. |
| 19:21.16 | _abc_ | the original is gzipped cpio |
| 19:21.24 | _abc_ | wols I am often wrong |
| 19:21.34 | wols | !tell _abc_ about kernel-package |
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| 19:21.54 | _abc_ | but if I build an initrd with a gzipped cpio it is not recognized by the new kernel |
| 19:22.24 | cyzie | is there way to provide an option to the kickstart file that the hdd mount with noatime ? |
| 19:22.33 | b0rsuk | I have only ugly, white (grey, actually) fonts in my terminal. But irssi renders colors, too. How do I make my terminal colorful ? |
| 19:22.35 | wols | have fun solving your problems if you don#t want it to do the debian way |
| 19:22.37 | _abc_ | wols you still did not answer my question. |
| 19:22.44 | b0rsuk | I wonder if I can play roguelikes now. |
| 19:23.04 | _abc_ | wols what silly module or kernel config option makes it read cpio archives please ? |
| 19:23.05 | b0rsuk | Oh, right, no telnet XD |
| 19:23.08 | wols | _abc_: not my problem if you like to fuck up yozur system |
| 19:23.32 | _abc_ | wols I have the howtos and the 'book' moves. I came here to ask legit question. |
| 19:23.52 | wols | _abc_: not a debian question. now stop addressing me. I don't like to use /ignore |
| 19:24.10 | _abc_ | I almost don't believe this |
| 19:24.24 | expose | wols: oh, does it? packages.d.o says no, as does backports.o |
| 19:24.29 | _abc_ | 'not a debian question' ? well, wtf else is it ? |
| 19:24.30 | manu_hack | on my newly installed amd64 system, there's no /dev/dsp, need to load the correct module? i have run alsaconf ... |
| 19:24.51 | wols | manu_hack: the oss emulation for alsa |
| 19:25.13 | wols | expose: i965 intel graphics is supported by etch. by the intel/i810 drivers |
| 19:25.42 | manu_hack | wols: what package to install? |
| 19:25.59 | expose | wols: i did add the version number on purpose. it will not work with anything older. if you are disbelieving, check the web. |
| 19:26.01 | wols | manu_hack: none. they're simple kernel modules |
| 19:26.21 | wols | abrotman: you have a G965 based board? |
| 19:26.21 | b0rsuk | Yay, KDE runs ! In what, 640x480 I think. Time to edit xorg.conf I guess. Is there any other way ? |
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| 19:26.40 | wols | !tell b0rsuk about dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg |
| 19:26.40 | abrotman | 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation 82852/855GM Integrated Graphics Device (rev 01) |
| 19:26.42 | abrotman | no |
| 19:26.47 | wols | !tell b0rsuk about drxx |
| 19:26.57 | abrotman | only some 965 are supported i think |
| 19:27.17 | wols | abrotman: any special distinction what makes them unsupported? |
| 19:27.17 | expose | b0rsuk: man xorg.conf and fire up your editor |
| 19:28.19 | abrotman | wols: a bit :) |
| 19:28.33 | abrotman | wols: no i don't .. but i think it was just some that were supported .. not all |
| 19:28.35 | b0rsuk | I have an old xorg.conf from kubuntu, so I can at least use it as reference. |
| 19:28.45 | abrotman | wols: i assume you mean the X bit . not the sata bit |
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| 19:29.14 | expose | wols: to my newly assured knowledge, the driver in etch is a magnitude to old. i wont discuss this any further. it's a matter of fact, that the neither backports.org nor debian.org provide this package except in unstable up to date. proof me wrong if you can. but give me a link, not a claim. |
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| 19:30.57 | boguh | hi, how can i copy a movie dvd to a regular dvd? |
| 19:31.09 | wols | boguh: you are not suppoed to edit your xorg.conf directly. dpkg told you what to use |
| 19:31.23 | wols | boguh: k9copy probably. not sure if it's in debian |
| 19:31.23 | b0rsuk | poor, lazy b0rsuk has to edit xorg.conf |
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| 19:31.35 | gamag | i am running named. but i have not mentioned any forwarding DNS in it's conf. but when I visit www.google.com, it automatically forwards the DNS query it to another IP and the other IP responds with the name. how does it get this other IP? |
| 19:31.39 | wols | b0rsuk: and for what reason? |
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| 19:32.21 | wols | b0rsuk: dual monitor? |
| 19:32.54 | b0rsuk | Single monitor. I haven't seen 640x480 since 1995 or something. |
| 19:33.13 | wols | then you don't need to edit manually |
| 19:33.15 | abrotman | gamag: your hints file |
| 19:36.16 | gamag | abrotman: I did a grep for that ip in /etc/bind/* but it appears no where |
| 19:36.29 | abrotman | gamag: which IP? |
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| 19:36.46 | wols | gamag: why are you running your own named? |
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| 19:36.51 | gamag | grep 216 * == no output |
| 19:37.01 | abrotman | gamag: /etc/bind/db.root |
| 19:37.02 | gamag | 216.239.38.10 |
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| 19:37.33 | gamag | wols: because my ISP's DNS can't understand DNS AAAA type requests |
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| 19:38.13 | gamag | tralala: hi :) |
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| 19:38.37 | gamag | tralala: lalalala |
| 19:39.03 | tralala | bwahahahah, wahahahah, ahahahahah |
| 19:39.12 | tralala | man! that was funny |
| 19:39.44 | wols | gamag: use dnsmasq |
| 19:39.51 | gamag | wols: ok |
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| 19:41.05 | zapada | how can i map 127.0.0.1 to localhost? |
| 19:41.11 | zapada | or rather the other way around |
| 19:41.24 | wols | zapada: /etc/hosts |
| 19:41.27 | wols | should be there already |
| 19:41.29 | zapada | thanks |
| 19:41.41 | zapada | but when i try ssh localhost i get connection refused error |
| 19:41.49 | b0rsuk | Silly question. I don't have the 'K' icon in the lower right part of the screen (KDE). What should I install ? |
| 19:41.52 | zapada | but when i do 127.0.0.1 it works |
| 19:41.56 | wols | zapada: is sshd running? |
| 19:42.01 | zapada | wols, yes |
| 19:42.27 | tralala | zapada, and what do you get from "host localhost"? |
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| 19:42.31 | zapada | wols, in my iptables i have reject all FORWARD |
| 19:42.31 | wols | zapada: what is in /etc/hosts? |
| 19:42.56 | zapada | i don't have an /etc/hosts |
| 19:42.58 | wols | zapada: netstat -anp|grep 22 |
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| 19:43.10 | wols | zapada: what debian version is this? |
| 19:43.45 | zapada | etch |
| 19:44.01 | wols | zapada: doesn't look like etch when hosts file is missing |
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| 19:44.16 | zapada | maybe i deleted it |
| 19:44.29 | wols | then recreate it |
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| 19:45.00 | zapada | i have a hostname and a host.conf though |
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| 19:47.32 | zapada | wols, ok, i created it, and added the map, what do i have to do now to activate it? |
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| 19:47.44 | wols | neothing? |
| 19:48.16 | zapada | hey cool, it works! |
| 19:48.17 | zapada | thanks |
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| 19:49.22 | gamag | is there any tool to setup simple port forwarding? something like 127.0.0.1:40 accepts remote connections and forwards it to 127.0.0.1:50, a process is listening on 50? |
| 19:49.50 | gamag | this port forwarder has to be a separate process. iptables wouldn't work in my case. |
| 19:50.20 | wols | iptables is kernel based. it will always work |
| 19:50.26 | gamag | because to the process listening on 50, it must appear that the connection is coming from localhost itself. |
| 19:50.26 | wols | certainly always where a program works |
| 19:50.30 | wols | ther is a ssh port forward too |
| 19:50.46 | wols | ssh port forward then |
| 19:50.49 | b0rsuk | Arrrrrrrghh ! I set resolution to 1280x1024 and it works, except my fonts are HUGE |
| 19:51.01 | gamag | i have tried with iptables, to the process listening on port 50, it appears that a remote system is trying to connect. |
| 19:51.04 | gamag | so it doesn't work. |
| 19:51.16 | gamag | ssh port forward consumes a lot of time in encryption, decryption |
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| 19:53.00 | itchi | gamag: You can desactivate that |
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| 19:54.12 | b0rsuk | Is there a way to generate default xorg.conf ? |
| 19:54.22 | wols | for the LAST time |
| 19:54.25 | wols | !tell b0rsuk about drxx |
| 19:55.05 | b0rsuk | !wtf drxx |
| 19:55.07 | dpkg | Gee... I don't know what drxx means... |
| 19:55.43 | wols | !drxx |
| 19:55.43 | dpkg | To reconfigure your X server, run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg as root. If you're not using Xorg (sarge or earlier), dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86, and ask me about <xmd5sum> if you've changed XF86Config-4 yourself. |
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| 19:55.53 | wols | which dpkg already messaged you TWO times! |
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| 19:56.20 | Billionaire | when start compiz from gnome session it doesn't work and the output is Fatal: Failed test: texture_from_pixmap support |
| 19:56.36 | wols | Billionaire: what videocard, what driver? |
| 19:56.42 | Billionaire | but after, if I start compiz from terminal it works |
| 19:56.52 | Billionaire | wols, nvidia |
| 19:57.03 | wols | what driver? |
| 19:57.25 | Billionaire | wols Version: 100.14.19-1 |
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| 19:57.53 | Billionaire | in a debian unstable |
| 19:58.25 | Tramp | itchi: I think you cannot. ssh/sshd on Debian does not support null/none cipher |
| 19:58.45 | wols | Tramp: blowfish? |
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| 19:58.57 | b0rsuk | wols : Thank you. |
| 19:59.00 | zapada | when i setup a reverse ssh tunnel it listens for that port on the server locally, how can i get it to listen to everyone on the server? |
| 19:59.03 | Tramp | wols: yes, that would be the lightest choice probably. |
| 19:59.34 | wols | zapada: ssh has a commandline option for it |
| 19:59.56 | Tramp | gamag: you may google for something like "generic tcp proxy". I know of "balance" but have never used it. |
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| 20:01.01 | Tramp | gamag: I also once evaluated a generic tcp Proxy from some japanese source. Open source but free only for non commercial use. Did a great job, but I forgot the name. |
| 20:03.20 | zapada | !tell zapada about ssh |
| 20:04.00 | b0rsuk | I stilklk have unnaturally huge fonts |
| 20:04.24 | b0rsuk | Several times larger than those in text terminal |
| 20:05.08 | wols | zapada: man ssh |
| 20:05.23 | wols | gamag: socat |
| 20:05.48 | zapada | wols, what is the name of this feature that i should look for? |
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| 20:06.27 | wols | zapada: read the manpage |
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| 20:07.02 | b0rsuk | reboot |
| 20:07.51 | gamag | heh? does b0rsuk have some bot in the channel which reads his commands and executes on his Debian? |
| 20:08.10 | gamag | oh. ignore my previous message. I think I need some sleep. |
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| 20:08.55 | zapada | "By default, the listening socket on the server will be bound to the loopback interface only." ah... i see, thanks wols |
| 20:12.03 | manu_hack | this is an evil device: Audio device: ATI Technologies Inc SB600 Azalia, couldn't get it work after hours of googling ... |
| 20:12.30 | wols | manu_hack: maybe need a newer alsa |
| 20:12.39 | wols | HDA-intel is under heavy development |
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| 20:13.48 | abrotman | !burp |
| 20:14.18 | manu_hack | wols: I'm running testing, you think sid could help? |
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| 20:18.18 | |Virtus| | free proxy. use odin.gameserverworks.com port 3128 use it or dont.. no logs |
| 20:18.33 | RedEyess | hi.. when using smartctl do I look at the raw value or value |
| 20:18.55 | abrotman | |Virtus|: please don't spam |
| 20:19.29 | |Virtus| | abrotman, its not really spam.. :) |
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| 20:19.47 | Jyzygzel- | how does "diff" compare by default? |
| 20:19.50 | abrotman | |Virtus|: yes it is |
| 20:20.00 | Jyzygzel- | bit by bit? |
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| 20:20.15 | |Virtus| | time for my weekly shower.. bbl |
| 20:20.17 | abrotman | |Virtus|: we could ask chanops if you'd like to argue? |
| 20:20.20 | Rockj | If I want to wipe everything by an apt-software, and even configuration files and reinstall it with standard configuration files, whats the option again to pass with apt-get ? |
| 20:20.25 | Jyzygzel- | i wanna compare directories just by filenames |
| 20:20.28 | Rockj | something DPKG::remove stuff.. |
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| 20:21.02 | itchi | Rockj: purge?? |
| 20:21.14 | itchi | Rockj: Use aptitude heh |
| 20:21.29 | |Virtus| | http://wiki.debian.org/DebianIRC << no rule about sharing a free proxy.. |
| 20:21.38 | itchi | Why take it always ages before people are up to date? |
| 20:21.45 | chance2105 | Rockj: apt-get remove --purge <packagename> |
| 20:21.45 | b0rsuk | Help, I just installed kde (and xserver) from scratch and I get HUGE fonts and everything. It looks really strange - resolution is 1280x1024, but fonts are HUGE and I can't see anything. Deleting .kde folder or doing dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg doesn't help. |
| 20:21.54 | Rockj | purge doesn't kill configuration files. atleast not when you reinstall the same package. |
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| 20:22.34 | Rockj | you have to pass an option with -O or something which looks like DPkg::something |
| 20:22.38 | abrotman | |Virtus|: it's spamming |
| 20:22.40 | itchi | Rockj: When you tweaked it, you mean |
| 20:23.08 | b0rsuk | The fonts are so huge only "Welcom" fits on the screen, instead of Welcome to KDE |
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| 20:23.23 | Rockj | itchi, yes - since I want to start from scratch again :) |
| 20:23.29 | |Virtus| | abrotman, according to you, and I don't see a @ so .... |
| 20:23.41 | abrotman | asshat |
| 20:23.52 | abrotman | |Virtus|: please don't do it again |
| 20:24.14 | b0rsuk | :< |
| 20:24.15 | itchi | |Virtus|: Do you know the definition of spam? It seems to be not! |
| 20:24.43 | b0rsuk | Spam, spam, spam, spam, spam spam spam spam spam ! |
| 20:25.12 | eth01 | ? |
| 20:25.47 | itchi | eth01: You have a bug. Should be eth0 or eth1 :-p |
| 20:25.48 | expose | Which tool shows the files containd in an installed pkg? |
| 20:26.04 | abrotman | expose: dpkg -L pkg |
| 20:26.09 | expose | thanks |
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| 20:27.23 | b0rsuk | itchi : perhaps he has 100 ethernet cards in his machine ? How do you know ? |
| 20:27.34 | eth01 | no, it's eth01. |
| 20:27.59 | engla | update-manager refuses to do updates on lenny. it displays changelogs fine, but running install updates just does nothing, does not show an error |
| 20:28.16 | eth01 | engla, enable core dumps |
| 20:28.18 | itchi | b0rsuk: Well, did you check the script? Who know if it will be 01 as 101? :-) |
| 20:28.21 | eth01 | ulimit -u unlimited |
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| 20:28.45 | engla | eth01: oh. what would that lead to? |
| 20:29.00 | abrotman | unlimited stuff :) |
| 20:29.08 | abrotman | but you should really read the ulimit man page first |
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| 20:29.21 | b0rsuk | Where else could kde/X configuration be stored ? I messed up my KDE. I deleted xorg.conf and .kde dir. And it's still borked. Awful H.U.G.E. fonts. I can't see anything. |
| 20:29.25 | eth01 | then you can analyze the core dumps with something like gdb. |
| 20:29.34 | engla | ah, but it doesn't crash |
| 20:29.35 | eth01 | it's the only way forward, if you don't get anything logged ¬.- |
| 20:29.38 | b0rsuk | Only "Welcom"(e to kde) fits on screen |
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| 20:29.45 | engla | :) |
| 20:30.05 | itchi | b0rsuk: A dpi problem? |
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| 20:31.11 | abrotman | vesa? |
| 20:31.19 | b0rsuk | Not sure. I can set my resolution to 1280x1024, and it looks like that, I even have my old wallpaper in great quality and right size, but fonts (and icons) are gone crazy. Driver is nv |
| 20:31.32 | itchi | b0rsuk: But on which dpi is it running? |
| 20:31.42 | b0rsuk | How do I check ? |
| 20:32.00 | b0rsuk | less xorg.conf ? |
| 20:32.13 | b0rsuk | dpkg-reconfigure xorg.conf ? |
| 20:32.24 | b0rsuk | Err, I mean dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg |
| 20:32.25 | itchi | b0rsuk: Hold on |
| 20:32.52 | b0rsuk | This is how b0rsuk spends holidays.... |
| 20:32.53 | itchi | b0rsuk: xdpyinfo |
| 20:33.16 | b0rsuk | xdyinfo : command not found |
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| 20:33.47 | b0rsuk | E: couldn't find package xdyinfo |
| 20:34.14 | itchi | b0rsuk: It's not a package, it's included in x11-utils or xbase-clients i guess |
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| 20:34.33 | Tramp | b0rsuk: xd/p/yinfo |
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| 20:34.47 | |Krooks| | I just got a 500GB external hard disk. Now I'm wondering if I should format it with NTFS or FAT32. Anyone tips anyone ? |
| 20:34.49 | Tramp | b0rsuk: note the "p". |
| 20:34.50 | b0rsuk | itchi : unable to open display "" . |
| 20:34.52 | itchi | b0rsuk: I need to update my apt-file db first :-p |
| 20:34.58 | abrotman | |Krooks|: if you want one partition .. not FAT32 |
| 20:35.13 | Tramp | b0rsuk: xdpyinfo -display :0.0 |
| 20:35.21 | |Krooks| | abrotman : why not ? |
| 20:35.28 | itchi | b0rsuk: Is X running? |
| 20:35.34 | Tramp | b0rsuk: or whatever display it is you want to check. |
| 20:35.35 | b0rsuk | Right now - yes. |
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| 20:35.44 | abrotman | |Krooks|: fat32 can't do 500GB paritiions |
| 20:35.47 | itchi | b0rsuk: Well, try again now |
| 20:35.52 | abrotman | |Krooks|: what's wron gwith ext2/3 ? |
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| 20:36.08 | neotic | |Krooks|: what's wrong with reiserfs/jfs? |
| 20:36.18 | abrotman | reiser should be obvious |
| 20:36.30 | b0rsuk | Tramp : I got a lot of text |
| 20:36.31 | abrotman | and i assume he wants to access it from windows .. and i don't think you can do that with JFS |
| 20:36.48 | Tramp | b0rsuk: look at the top or grep for "dimension" |
| 20:36.48 | neotic | what's wrong with reiserfs on a 500G partition? |
| 20:36.52 | itchi | b0rsuk: Grep on resolution |
| 20:36.54 | abrotman | it's reiser .. nuff said |
| 20:36.59 | |Krooks| | abrotman : exactly |
| 20:37.07 | abrotman | |Krooks|: you can access ext2/3 from windows |
| 20:37.18 | |Krooks| | abrotman : I have windows on vmware on this machine |
| 20:37.18 | abrotman | !ext2ifs |
| 20:37.18 | dpkg | ext2ifs is probably a Windows NT driver for reading ext2/3 filesystems. http://uranus.it.swin.edu.au/~jn/linux/ext2ifs.htm |
| 20:37.25 | b0rsuk | 34x318 dots per inch. Is that good ? |
| 20:37.27 | Dark_Apostrophe | Does anyone know of any batch image converters? |
| 20:37.33 | abrotman | imagemagick |
| 20:37.46 | Dark_Apostrophe | I don't know what options to pass to it |
| 20:37.50 | Dark_Apostrophe | It's way too complex for me |
| 20:37.52 | abrotman | read the flipping man page |
| 20:38.05 | b0rsuk | Dark_Apostrophe : wikipedia imagemagick |
| 20:38.13 | b0rsuk | Wikipedia is often better than man |
| 20:38.14 | Dark_Apostrophe | Which, as all man pages, could fill a book |
| 20:38.28 | b0rsuk | For example, wikipedia chown (or chmod) kicks ass compared to man chown |
| 20:38.28 | Dark_Apostrophe | b0rsuk: Often? I've found no instance in which it wasn't |
| 20:38.29 | itchi | b0rsuk: no |
| 20:38.46 | Dark_Apostrophe | Wikipedia doesn't always have details like options and such |
| 20:38.47 | mirak | is there a way to know what options are supported by a module ? |
| 20:38.49 | itchi | b0rsuk: Should be somethings like 100x100 |
| 20:38.52 | Dark_Apostrophe | But it often has great links |
| 20:39.07 | Tramp | mirak: man modinfo |
| 20:39.08 | itchi | b0rsuk: 75 too, or depending, but yours seems that messed |
| 20:39.14 | b0rsuk | itchi : So I have 34x318 dots per inch. Any idea how to fix it ? |
| 20:39.21 | mirak | Tramp: thank you |
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| 20:39.38 | itchi | b0rsuk: Well, the question may be: What did you wrong? :-) |
| 20:39.45 | abrotman | Dark_Apostrophe: read the freaking man page .. it's not that hard |
| 20:39.47 | abrotman | stop being lazy |
| 20:39.48 | b0rsuk | I tried both erasing /home/b0rsuk/.kde and /etc/X11/xorg.conf , but it didn't help. |
| 20:39.55 | eth01 | !man |
| 20:39.55 | dpkg | [man] a little guy that knows everything about linux... just do man <commandname> and he will teach you all about <commandname>,a Municipal Area Network (city), or check ASD @ http://savannah.nongnu.org/projects/asd/ |
| 20:40.09 | b0rsuk | Somewhere along the way, I tried copying xorg.conf from kubuntu. |
| 20:40.09 | Dark_Apostrophe | abrotman: I've come to hate "man" :p |
| 20:40.18 | abrotman | Dark_Apostrophe: info ? |
| 20:40.34 | |Krooks| | ok. among all the linux fs, which is best for external harddisk ? |
| 20:40.36 | itchi | b0rsuk: Wait, it's long time ago i had that problem |
| 20:40.36 | Dark_Apostrophe | abrotman: It's got tonnes and tonnes of irrelevant information, and finding something useful is often a needle-in-a-haystack situation |
| 20:40.48 | abrotman | |Krooks|: afaik .. the only one you can access from windows is ext2/3 |
| 20:40.53 | abrotman | Dark_Apostrophe: READ IT |
| 20:41.00 | b0rsuk | Wait. First thing I did after installing xserver-xorg was NOT dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg. First, I launched KDE, right-clicked , then Display, then selected 1280x1024 and clicked apply |
| 20:41.02 | Dark_Apostrophe | abrotman: Fine... |
| 20:41.10 | itchi | b0rsuk: With xrandr you can define the dots |
| 20:41.14 | enyc | hrrm can debian etch4.0 still be installed from boot-floppies ? |
| 20:41.17 | itchi | b0rsuk: See xrandr --help |
| 20:41.20 | eth01 | enyc, yes. |
| 20:41.24 | b0rsuk | I did it the lame, windows way because I was afraid of editing xorg |
| 20:41.27 | eth01 | !tell enyc about install |
| 20:41.28 | enyc | eth01: excellent |
| 20:41.39 | enyc | eth01: ;-) |
| 20:41.50 | |Krooks| | ok, how is ext3 with external hard disk ? |
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| 20:42.11 | b0rsuk | itchi : xrandr --help prints a long list of parameters, but I don't know what to look for. |
| 20:42.13 | itchi | b0rsuk: My guess is that kde has do somethings wrong then |
| 20:42.21 | itchi | b0rsuk: I told you :-p |
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| 20:42.26 | itchi | b0rsuk: dpi |
| 20:42.37 | b0rsuk | itchi : any way to restore default settings ? |
| 20:43.12 | itchi | b0rsuk: Try first with xrand to see if that fix it |
| 20:43.12 | b0rsuk | I wouldn't like to PURGE every kde package and download again. |
| 20:43.29 | itchi | b0rsuk: Do you get that problem with another user? |
| 20:43.42 | itchi | b0rsuk: Create a fake use, start kde and look |
| 20:43.59 | Tramp | !tell b0rsuk about remove kde |
| 20:44.09 | b0rsuk | itchi : fake user ? I created a user 'test' and I have the same problem |
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| 20:44.38 | itchi | b0rsuk: Then deleting stuff of your home wont fix, that already somethings good to know |
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| 20:44.44 | b0rsuk | itchi : how much dpi should I have ? |
| 20:44.48 | itchi | b0rsuk: Checkout the xorg.conf |
| 20:45.12 | b0rsuk | itchi : I can check, but what to look for ? |
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| 20:45.19 | itchi | b0rsuk: Depend of the resulution and your taste. But mostly, we don't touch to that dpi btw |
| 20:46.01 | b0rsuk | Hmm. I'm not sure why your name is displayed in yellow. I'm not too familiar with irc, I use irssi. Are you using private /tells or what ? How to do that ? |
| 20:46.05 | sav_ | what package do I get to have /usr/include/* files? I mean, all libc, posix, bsd compliant include files, etc. |
| 20:46.06 | itchi | b0rsuk: Well, in xorg i dont know :-) |
| 20:46.21 | |Krooks| | Ok, forget about whether I need to use it on wndows. Whats most stable for my 500GB external hard disk. FAT32, NTFS , EXT2 or EXT3 ? |
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| 20:46.23 | b0rsuk | Normally, when someone says something containing my nick it's displayed in brown |
| 20:46.26 | itchi | b0rsuk: Did you try to define it with the xrandr tool? |
| 20:46.44 | b0rsuk | itchi : I have no idea where to start (with xrandr) |
| 20:47.34 | anio | hi. I'm a Ubuntu user but my question is about Aptitude, so I hope you don't mind me asking here. I have a Kubuntu (KDE) CD, which I added as a software source by doing "apt-cdrom -a add". Then I did "apt-get install kubuntu-desktop". It's trying to download 120mb from the internet, when all the files should be on the CD. Any particular reason why? |
| 20:47.38 | Tramp | |Krooks|: ext3 |
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| 20:48.36 | b0rsuk | itchi : it looks like my kde defaults to 720x400 |
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| 20:49.43 | itchi | b0rsuk: Just run xrandr to see wich dimensions you may have |
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| 20:49.51 | corran | were there recent changes to sudo? |
| 20:50.00 | itchi | b0rsuk: I'm trying that --dpi out, hold on |
| 20:50.03 | corran | The password prompt changed |
| 20:50.08 | corran | (in sid) |
| 20:50.15 | eth01 | !sudo |
| 20:50.15 | dpkg | it has been said that sudo is (SUperuser DO) better than su, according to talon. It is able to give limited super user privileges to specific users, or can allow you to do silly things like run X apps with root perms, or good in scripts with "username ALL = NOPASSWD: /some/program", or http://www.aplawrence.com/Basics/sudo.html, or you need to setup /etc/sudoers first before you can use it (ask about <visudo>) |
| 20:50.16 | lunitik | b0rsuk: KDE has very little to do with Xorg... dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg ... just hit enter until it comes across resolution, and make sure the smallest value selected is the lowest you could stand :) |
| 20:50.40 | corran | eth01: that doesn't really answer my question |
| 20:51.05 | b0rsuk | I clicked through kde to set 1280x1024, and it helped a little, but i still get very big (unusable) fonts |
| 20:51.14 | corran | given that I know sudo inside and out, I was wanting to confirm that there was a change to the prompt |
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| 20:51.35 | Tramp | corran: yes, I heard something like that yesterday here. Don't use sid though. You may confirm in the Changelogs |
| 20:51.55 | anio | no one can answer me? |
| 20:51.58 | JordiGH | sorry, for being slightly offtopic, but the AES encryption used in the p7zip package... is it spook-safe? |
| 20:52.06 | b0rsuk | lunitik : So I may have messed something up when I did dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg ? |
| 20:52.27 | itchi | b0rsuk: Anyway, somethings is messed up :-) You may need to figure out what :-) |
| 20:52.29 | b0rsuk | I'm on lenny, by the way. |
| 20:52.40 | lunitik | b0rsuk: If it's selectable, it will work, yes... there is krandr also... likely there is something wrong with your fontconfig though if fonts are bad... |
| 20:52.41 | b0rsuk | itchi : thans ! |
| 20:52.43 | itchi | b0rsuk: And? Find you the hole? |
| 20:52.58 | itchi | Bah, sad joke :-p |
| 20:53.01 | spoown | Hello all, can someone try to do an ssh on me please ? |
| 20:53.07 | corran | JordiGH: probably |
| 20:53.08 | abrotman | anio: you should ask them .. that's a question for #ubuntu |
| 20:53.18 | lunitik | b0rsuk: Same here, and my fonts seem fine... admittedly I'm not terribly picky with fonts though... |
| 20:53.22 | anio | abrotman: it's actually an aptitude question. |
| 20:53.31 | anio | so I can better understand how aptitude uses its sources |
| 20:53.36 | b0rsuk | Wait. There should be a xorg log somewhere, right ? |
| 20:53.38 | lunitik | b0rsuk: You're sure anti-aliasing etc is on? |
| 20:53.52 | lunitik | b0rsuk: /var/log/Xorg.0.log |
| 20:53.54 | eth01 | !tell anio about ubuntu |
| 20:53.57 | corran | JordiGH: If you use a good password, there are no known attacks that compromise AES |
| 20:54.09 | anio | allright, allright |
| 20:54.10 | abrotman | anio: they gave you your aptitude .. we have no idea how they've patched it |
| 20:54.11 | anio | thanks anyway |
| 20:54.17 | itchi | spoown: Give you me the passwd? |
| 20:54.18 | JordiGH | corran: 20 random ASCII characters good enough? :-) |
| 20:54.21 | b0rsuk | lunitik : I'm not sure, but I see no sharp edges/pixels . It looks like good resolution, but huge fonts and icons. |
| 20:54.27 | JordiGH | printable ASCII |
| 20:54.29 | abrotman | itchi: don't do that |
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| 20:54.34 | anio | good day |
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| 20:54.38 | itchi | abrotman: It's he that ask :-p |
| 20:54.39 | lunitik | anio: We can't guess what commands aptitude has in Ubuntu... we can't guess whether they've customized theres... it's not being rude... we simply can't help... |
| 20:54.40 | corran | JordiGH: how do you define random? |
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| 20:55.05 | corran | JordiGH: but yes, it is probably decent enough for most usage |
| 20:55.26 | spoown | itchi , can you first ping me with : kotnet-146.kulnet.kuleuven.be ? |
| 20:55.36 | JordiGH | corran: C's rand(). Maybe I should use a Mersenne Twister. :-) |
| 20:55.40 | lunitik | b0rsuk: Strange. |
| 20:55.47 | b0rsuk | AIGLX : Screen is not DRI capable |
| 20:55.51 | itchi | spoown: Hey neighborhood ;-p |
| 20:55.55 | rahul | the mersenne twister is fun |
| 20:56.05 | itchi | spoown: pong |
| 20:56.09 | b0rsuk | (EE): AIGLX : screen 0 is not DRI capable |
| 20:56.14 | lunitik | b0rsuk: You should have mentioned it was ATI... |
| 20:56.20 | JordiGH | Or maybe I should shake the mouse a little and use /dev/random |
| 20:56.22 | rahul | especially when you play strip poker in between rounds of it |
| 20:56.23 | rahul | oh wait. |
| 20:56.26 | mirak | I need to pass parameter to lirc module loading like modprobe lirc_serial io=0x1050 irq=52, however the script that parse the $MODULE variable seems to take only space separated names, so it won't take the options. how can I do it take the options ? |
| 20:56.34 | itchi | spoown: I'm around 10 km's of Brussels |
| 20:56.35 | b0rsuk | lunitik : actually, it's GeForce 8800 GTS 320 MB |
| 20:56.46 | b0rsuk | and driver is nv |
| 20:56.50 | rahul | JordiGH: that's how gpg generates its keys, yeah |
| 20:56.51 | lunitik | Uhh... AIGLX... duh |
| 20:56.53 | spoown | itchi; oh ok then , I'm in leuven |
| 20:56.55 | corran | JordiGH: I would actually grab from /dev/random if you really want security |
| 20:57.07 | itchi | spoown: I saw ;-) |
| 20:57.29 | itchi | spoown: Ping replies, ssh time it out |
| 20:57.38 | corran | JordiGH: as you only need a little tiny bit of entropy, /dev/random is best (otherwise I would use /dev/urandom) |
| 20:57.59 | rahul | using /dev/random as a seed to a mersenne twister is also a good idea |
| 20:57.59 | lunitik | b0rsuk: Have you tried using the nvidia modules? You might have better luck if you use the Debian provided packages from non-free... |
| 20:58.10 | itchi | spoown: kuleuven is my main mirror :-) |
| 20:58.14 | rahul | (if you need a good amount of entropy) |
| 20:58.16 | b0rsuk | lunitik : you mean installing glx or what ? |
| 20:58.17 | spoown | itchi, so great then , can try to do an ssh with test/test with the same host : kotnet-146.kulnet.kuleuven.be |
| 20:58.21 | corran | rahul: no, you need to hash mersenne twister before it is ok |
| 20:58.31 | spoown | itchi, great mirror but not the best connection I had here !! |
| 20:58.39 | b0rsuk | There's a very easy to use 'envy' script which installs nvidia drivers for ubuntu or debian |
| 20:58.39 | rahul | erm, that is, if you need a good amount of data, but don't want to waste lots of entropy |
| 20:58.40 | lunitik | b0rsuk: I believe that is the new packages, yes. |
| 20:59.00 | b0rsuk | I may try to install drivers with 'envy' |
| 20:59.02 | corran | rahul: hence the use /dev/urandom |
| 20:59.07 | rahul | corran: could you initialize the internal state directly? |
| 20:59.08 | sav_ | how do I compile from the source after 'apt-get source'? |
| 20:59.18 | rahul | sav_: man dpkg-buildpackage |
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| 20:59.20 | lunitik | b0rsuk: Not supported though, you can complain to that developer if you have any issues... or you can do it the Debian way :) |
| 20:59.28 | itchi | spoown: With test user it don't work either |
| 20:59.28 | corran | rahul: for /dev/urandom? |
| 20:59.36 | rahul | corran: the twister |
| 20:59.37 | b0rsuk | Yeah, there's deffinitely anti-aliasing and good resolution. It may be indeed something with DPI |
| 20:59.42 | sav_ | rahul: thanks |
| 20:59.48 | itchi | spoown: What are you doing there? Heh, leave the mirror up hehe ;-) |
| 20:59.53 | b0rsuk | lunitik : What do you mean not supported ? |
| 21:00.00 | rahul | corran: is the hashing to deal with the fact that you'd only be seeding it with, say 32 bits, when it actualy has whatever thousand of internal state? |
| 21:00.33 | spoown | itchi, :) , you can ping me, but you cannot do an ssh on me, wrong password it telled ? user ="test" and password="test" |
| 21:00.39 | corran | rahul: the problem is that if you are generating a significant stream, someone may be able to identify the internal state of the prng, which allows them to guess at what numbers were used. |
| 21:00.46 | itchi | b0rsuk: Did you use that to setup your stuff? |
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| 21:00.55 | lunitik | b0rsuk: The guy is doing it himself... neither project will support any issues that may arise from his work. |
| 21:01.06 | itchi | spoown: Well, i'm not yet on that password prompt |
| 21:01.24 | rahul | corran: yeah, ok. well, rc5 is the right prng to use for crypto. |
| 21:01.24 | b0rsuk | itchi : I used envy on kubuntu and it worked great |
| 21:01.25 | lunitik | itchi: No, he just brought it up because it's "easier"... |
| 21:01.26 | corran | rahul: hashing helps prevent this, although I (personally) would use one of the NIST approved random generators (other than the ECC one) |
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| 21:01.58 | corran | the ECC one being slow and needing me to generate a bunch of constants before I trust it. |
| 21:02.00 | b0rsuk | Does anyone know a hotkey to shrink fonts in konqueror ? |
| 21:02.07 | b0rsuk | I can't see it, the fonts are too big. |
| 21:02.11 | sav_ | how can I apt-get /usr/include files?!?? |
| 21:02.19 | spoown | itchi, you means, that you can not even get the password prompt ! |
| 21:02.22 | corran | b0rsuk: ctrl+ - I believe |
| 21:02.26 | itchi | spoown: Yeah |
| 21:02.29 | spoown | itchi, really strange !! |
| 21:02.42 | itchi | spoown: It seems to be not find the host at all :-) |
| 21:03.10 | corran | rahul: RC5 = worse than the twister |
| 21:03.17 | itchi | spoown: Btw, we have a slow running #debian-nl too |
| 21:03.17 | corran | rahul: it is _REALLY_ bad |
| 21:03.22 | b0rsuk | Oh crap, I can only ENLARGE fonts :D |
| 21:03.24 | sav_ | dude don't you think debian etch should come with all necessary stuff to compile things? such as libc include files, gcc, kernel source, etc? it's a bit lame to have a distribution that claims to be GNU-proponent and keep downloading binaries and ommiting important packages like this |
| 21:03.28 | rahul | corran: uh, what weaknesses have been found? |
| 21:03.29 | spoown | itchi, and if you do it with the ip ? is it working ? |
| 21:03.31 | b0rsuk | Shrinking doesn't work anymore. |
| 21:03.38 | lunitik | b0rsuk: no... - shrinks |
| 21:03.51 | rahul | corran: the only weakness I've heard of is the one that the wireless stuff suffered from because they used it incorrectly |
| 21:03.57 | sav_ | it's lame. I'm speding a lot of time to figure out how to configure it properly |
| 21:04.01 | b0rsuk | lunitik : Yes it does, but I'm already at the smallest font, it seems. |
| 21:04.10 | lunitik | b0rsuk: Oh... heh |
| 21:04.14 | sav_ | I wished I had installed gentoo instead |
| 21:04.18 | JordiGH | sav_: If you want to compile everything, get gentoo. |
| 21:04.21 | rahul | sav_: uh, why would the distro force you to download everything you don't need? |
| 21:04.27 | rahul | sav_: apt-get build-dep |
| 21:04.28 | lunitik | sav_: Not a fan of actually using your computer? |
| 21:04.31 | corran | rahul: the algorithm has a fundamental problem in that its setup produces a non-uniform state |
| 21:04.38 | stew | sav_: aptitude install build-essential |
| 21:04.43 | sav_ | lunitik: it's a virtual machine. I'm running for test only. |
| 21:04.45 | sav_ | stew: thanks a lot |
| 21:05.03 | JordiGH | sav_: If you want to compile with Debian, install the obvious packages. |
| 21:05.06 | corran | rahul: you can mask it by discarding output, but that just masks the problem |
| 21:05.06 | lunitik | sav_: You'd be lucky to get Gentoo compiled in a week then... that'd be fun! |
| 21:05.07 | Airbottl1 | hey, i tried again to get crontab working, but still no succes, i made 2 little scripts to start and stop rtorrent, and i want them execute with crontab, but there is no screen starting, and i have no idea what can be wrong, the information i have is pasted here: http://paste.debian.net/44990 |
| 21:05.18 | rahul | corran: ok, right |
| 21:05.42 | sav_ | lunitik: I run gentoo in my desktop :) it's an amd64 box tho and I need a x32-86 to test some stuff that's why I installed debian. I thought it'd be quick but I was wrong |
| 21:05.44 | rahul | corran: I guess it's just that the twister is much slower, so it can really bog down a system that has dozens of parallel streams to encrypt |
| 21:06.13 | lunitik | sav_: Lots of testing... "I theorize my compile will be done in 7 hours"... "ok maybe 10"... "damn..." |
| 21:06.13 | sav_ | but you are right... gentoo configuration is a lot more expensive |
| 21:06.22 | itchi | sav_: You are right, it's the season to play with Gentoo. |
| 21:06.37 | rahul | itchi: if you're in the north |
| 21:06.37 | sav_ | it's been the season since 2005.1 :) |
| 21:06.44 | lunitik | sav_: It's not the configuration part that's a pain... |
| 21:06.51 | itchi | rahul: :-) Belgium |
| 21:06.55 | rahul | itchi: right |
| 21:06.56 | \amethyst | sav_: if you use apt-get build-dep <packagename> that will install everything that's necessary to build the package |
| 21:07.11 | corran | rahul: the twister isn't great for encryption (I assume you are doing an xor with it), as it doesn't normallize the output, so you can still see ghosts of the source material |
| 21:07.13 | sav_ | \amethyst: right :) I've already tried it too. thanks. |
| 21:07.19 | \amethyst | sav_: including build-essentials, which pulls in gcc, libc6-dev, and so on |
| 21:07.22 | rahul | itchi: I doubt people in south america would feel like having their computers generate so much heat during summer :) |
| 21:07.30 | lunitik | sav_: It's not like it's difficult to get it configured... it's just the constant compiling... it's infuriating... every security alart that effects me... 2 more hours of downtime... :/ |
| 21:07.38 | rahul | corran: yeah, I figured it wasn't really designed for that |
| 21:07.38 | \amethyst | dev tools aren't part of the base install because not every install needs a compiler etc |
| 21:07.39 | corran | rahul: it probably wouldn't be too bad, but I would go to something like twofish if you needed speed |
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| 21:08.08 | itchi | Even the computer is multitasking at his own :-p |
| 21:08.19 | sav_ | lunitik: well, that's about security :) if you need an insecure box try Ubuntu |
| 21:08.23 | b0rsuk | Now something different. I've been told I shouldn't edit /etc/group if I want to add users to a group. So what do I do if I want to add myself to group "audio" ? |
| 21:08.24 | rahul | corran: well, block cyhers are not prngs |
| 21:08.27 | Ace2016 | Hi all |
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| 21:08.28 | corran | (twofish being the successor to blowfish, and sharing the desire for speed) |
| 21:08.32 | corran | rahul: nope |
| 21:08.37 | Ace2016 | how do you edit the startup services in debian? |
| 21:08.37 | b0rsuk | There's visudo for adding to sudoers, right ? |
| 21:08.41 | rahul | corran: so you can't use them too well for key generation |
| 21:08.50 | corran | rahul: and prngs are not block cipers |
| 21:08.55 | itchi | b0rsuk: adduser fooUser myGroup |
| 21:08.56 | lunitik | sav_: Ubuntu is more secure than a Gentoo box that is a month behind on updates :/ |
| 21:08.58 | rahul | yes :) |
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| 21:09.08 | sav_ | lunitik: wow :) I didnt read that |
| 21:09.08 | abrotman | lunitik: hi .. welcome to #debian |
| 21:09.10 | rahul | and stew is not a \amethyst |
| 21:09.14 | itchi | b0rsuk: Don't forget to logout and log in back |
| 21:09.16 | lunitik | abrotman: Oh hey :P |
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| 21:09.28 | Ace2016 | lunitik: wait so you mean a gentoo box thats a month behind or the ubuntu box thats a month behind? |
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| 21:09.43 | rahul | anyway, better get some food |
| 21:09.54 | sav_ | Ace2016: ignore it :) he's kidding |
| 21:09.57 | sav_ | he must be. |
| 21:10.13 | timofonic | Hello. Anyone knows the name of the binary package for the Linux kernel in Debian? I don't have a Debian computer here but need to know the name of the binary package |
| 21:10.49 | Ace2016 | oh ok, i was wondering, because gentoo peeps tend to have such a varying system that it'd be harder to target, ubuntu would be much easier |
| 21:10.58 | Ace2016 | systems* |
| 21:11.05 | itchi | timofonic: linux-image |
| 21:11.11 | timofonic | itchi, thanks |
| 21:11.25 | lunitik | timofonic: packages.debian.org + what itchi said |
| 21:11.32 | timofonic | lunitik, ok :) |
| 21:12.10 | b0rsuk | Can I safely use sudo in debian ? In ubuntu, people were warned against using root because some apps were designed only with sudo in mind and could be broken by launching from root. |
| 21:12.21 | b0rsuk | Can I use sudo for everything ? |
| 21:12.26 | sav_ | yea all those constant offsets to virtual memory entry-points etc.. it happens when you have pre-compiled binaries :) gentoo in other hand uses stack randomizers, and stuff that makes a really hard job to figure out how to exploit a bug |
| 21:12.51 | |Virtus| | is 26.11 mysql queries pr sec, a lot for a database debian 4.0 server with mysql 5 |
| 21:12.53 | timofonic | I found a bot! |
| 21:12.56 | timofonic | [22:09:32] Barby[talkative] | http://www.videoturk.tr.gs Free Porno Videos |
| 21:12.56 | |Virtus| | just, speaking in general |
| 21:13.06 | abrotman | !ops Barby[talkative] spamming |
| 21:13.06 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: abrotman complains about: Barby[talkative] spamming |
| 21:13.07 | timofonic | Please ban that crap, it's on #debian and #redhat |
| 21:13.08 | lunitik | b0rsuk: Ubuntu uses sudo because "it's less confusing as there is only one password"... sudo can be used, but it's debatable whether it has real merits for usual use... |
| 21:13.21 | abrotman | lunitik: hi .. welcome to #debian |
| 21:13.35 | timofonic | abrotman, thanks :) |
| 21:13.41 | lunitik | abrotman: He asked a Debian related question about sudo! |
| 21:13.46 | Ace2016 | yea thats so dumb, they should just use sudo without a password |
| 21:13.51 | abrotman | lunitik: he didn't ask about ubuntu |
| 21:13.54 | b0rsuk | lunitik : when I'm not using sudo (but root), I tend to leave root consoles open. |
| 21:14.15 | |Virtus| | is 26.11 mysql queries pr sec, a lot for a database debian 4.0 server with mysql 5, just in general.. anyone ? |
| 21:14.19 | Ace2016 | is there a difference in getting root access via su, and running sudo su? |
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| 21:14.21 | b0rsuk | And there's the risk of using root console by mistake (instead of normal one) |
| 21:14.32 | lunitik | abrotman: He brought up Ubuntu as part of his question, so I discussed that in my answer :) |
| 21:14.40 | lunitik | abrotman: I'm trying to be good now, promise :P |
| 21:14.44 | |Virtus| | is this #ubuntu? |
| 21:14.45 | |Virtus| | :D |
| 21:14.56 | abrotman | staff: thanks! |
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| 21:15.09 | kloeri | np |
| 21:15.14 | Ace2016 | |Virtus|: we're trying to slowly transition the entire distro to ubuntu :D |
| 21:15.16 | lunitik | Ace2016: You're not UID 0 ... other than that, nothing. |
| 21:15.36 | |Virtus| | Ace2016, awesome! I cant wait for that release.. will that be Debian 4.ubunt ? |
| 21:15.53 | abrotman | lunitik: see what you started? |
| 21:16.15 | |Virtus| | abrotman, aww come on, a good ubuntu discussion is always great! |
| 21:16.19 | xand | HE ESCAPED! |
| 21:16.22 | lunitik | abrotman: I started nothing! I was talking about Gentoo 30 secs ago, now they're talking about Ubuntu! |
| 21:16.24 | abrotman | not in #debian .. |
| 21:16.33 | abrotman | if you want to talk about ubuntu .. go to #ubuntu |
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| 21:16.39 | Ace2016 | |Virtus|: oh no no, we never release, its a net install disk and from then on its just a continuous stream of updates forever |
| 21:16.41 | |Virtus| | carebear is always good.. |
| 21:17.05 | |Virtus| | abrotman, I was kinda being ironic.. but thanks for the input :D |
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| 21:17.20 | |Virtus| | Ace2016, just what Ive been looking for.. :) |
| 21:17.45 | xand | "ironic" isn't used like that |
| 21:17.53 | spoown | any idea why can someone ping me but not do an ssh ? I'm inside a private lan, I changed the port for ssh but nothing change ! any idea ? adivce please ? |
| 21:17.59 | jelly-home | xand: yes it is. |
| 21:18.04 | Ace2016 | i know, i really like the continuous updates, but i really miss the huge forums and howtos |
| 21:18.08 | xand | jelly-home: not in common, real English |
| 21:18.24 | abrotman | spoown: ISP blocking? port not actually open? |
| 21:18.28 | Ace2016 | but i like sid too much to switch back now, so i'm kind of stuck |
| 21:18.33 | lunitik | Ace2016: Releases are the worst part about Debian... everyone stops doing fun stuff, just to satisfy people that probably still will never install it... |
| 21:18.35 | xand | spoown: does it time out, or connection refused? |
| 21:18.36 | abrotman | spoown: can they get to any open port on your system ? |
| 21:18.37 | jelly-home | xand: this is not #english |
| 21:18.50 | xand | jelly-home: this is an english-speaking channel :P the word is "sarcastic" |
| 21:18.51 | lunitik | Well... and the many servers... but upgrades are a pain for servers anyways... |
| 21:19.31 | Ace2016 | i have never ever understood why debian has such a huge selection of software on its cd and dvd based installers |
| 21:19.41 | |Virtus| | xand, maybe not where you live.. :) |
| 21:19.45 | abrotman | Ace2016: offline installation .. not everyone has broadband or wants the system on the net |
| 21:19.50 | spoown | abrotman, is ISP blocking ssh connection , I don't known !! I try first to do an ssh with port 21 and then 3000 but no change ! |
| 21:19.51 | |Virtus| | is 26.11 mysql queries pr sec, a lot for a database debian 4.0 server with mysql 5, just in general.. anyone ? |
| 21:20.08 | abrotman | don't use mysql? |
| 21:20.09 | xand | |Virtus|: no |
| 21:20.15 | abrotman | spoown: can they telnet to the port? |
| 21:20.16 | |Virtus| | abrotman, what then? |
| 21:20.17 | b0rsuk | Hey, ubuntu is pr0 ! When I asked how to enable mesa, they repplied that I should just buy a very cheap gfx card instead. |
| 21:20.24 | abrotman | spoown: can anyone get to it? |
| 21:20.27 | xand | nothing wrong with mysql for general use |
| 21:20.27 | abrotman | b0rsuk: stop |
| 21:20.36 | Ace2016 | abrotman: oh so they are mainly for people who order the disks off the internet? still i would prefer something for people with bb a disk like ubuntu's alternative installer |
| 21:20.40 | Ace2016 | bit easier for noobs |
| 21:20.51 | xand | Ace2016: what's wrong with the netinstall CD? |
| 21:20.51 | abrotman | Ace2016: no .. offline installation is not the same as ordering online |
| 21:20.52 | spoown | xand, it doesn't timeout, you can ping me, but with ssh -v -v , the last line is this one : debug1: Connecting to 193.190.253.146 [193.190.253.146] port 3000 , and then nothing !! |
| 21:21.02 | xand | spoown: then it is timing out |
| 21:21.06 | spoown | abrotman, seems that cannot resolve the host, but you can ping me ! |
| 21:21.15 | abrotman | spoown: how long did you wait? |
| 21:21.23 | itchi | spoown: Wait |
| 21:21.28 | mirak | I need to pass parameter to lirc module loading like modprobe lirc_serial io=0x1050 irq=52, however the script that parse the $MODULE variable seems to take only space separated names, so it won't take the options. how can I do it take the options ? |
| 21:21.31 | Ace2016 | xand: well imagine this, you have broadband but trying to install the drivers for the modem is the problem |
| 21:21.40 | itchi | spoown: Are you on telenet? |
| 21:21.57 | xand | Ace2016: I doubt many people have that problem |
| 21:21.57 | spoown | I'm waiting for second but doesn't change !! |
| 21:22.02 | abrotman | mirak: man modprobe ... there's a file to put options in |
| 21:22.04 | spoown | itchi, I'm not on telnet ! |
| 21:22.07 | abrotman | spoown: how about a minute ? |
| 21:22.18 | mirak | abrotman: ho great thank you |
| 21:22.20 | itchi | spoown: No i mean the telenet ISP heh |
| 21:22.25 | spoown | now, it's more than a minute |
| 21:22.37 | spoown | itchi, ah ok :) No, i'm using the kuleuven network ! |
| 21:22.39 | maddash | spoown: as root, 'grep -i port /etc/ssh/sshd_config' |
| 21:22.49 | itchi | spoown: Does that noet use the telenet fiber? |
| 21:22.55 | xand | you don't need root for that grep command |
| 21:22.56 | spoown | maddash, I set port 3000 on ssh config |
| 21:23.05 | maddash | spoown: just do it |
| 21:23.16 | xand | spoown: did you restart sshd after? |
| 21:23.27 | abrotman | xand: maddash does everything as root! |
| 21:23.35 | spoown | Madd_Matt, Port 3000 |
| 21:23.39 | maddash | and a) you don't need root, b) it's sshd_config, c) /etc/init.d/ssh restart |
| 21:23.44 | maddash | abrotman: fuck off |
| 21:23.50 | abrotman | hehe |
| 21:23.51 | spoown | xand, yes with /etc/init.d/ssh reload |
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| 21:24.14 | maddash | spoown: try netcatting |
| 21:24.22 | xand | abrotman: guess it saves diskspace for /etc/passwd etc |
| 21:24.27 | spoown | Madd_Matt, don't known netcatting !! |
| 21:24.37 | xand | !!! |
| 21:24.38 | dpkg | I'm not your csh prompt! |
| 21:24.44 | maddash | spoown: `aptitude install nc6` `man nc6` |
| 21:24.57 | Ace2016 | i did, when i was very very new to linux, i tried lots of distros, downloaded in windows and installed, but no internet, i went from mandrake (free) to fedora to debian (tried) and back to mandrake (non free off a torrent) which got my internet connection working, later after i figured out how to install stuff i went to fedora, messed it up by downloading and installing single rpms, and downloaded all the debian isos and installed debian, |
| 21:24.58 | Ace2016 | couldn't get the modem working due to the driver not supporting the kernel and ended up getting a router |
| 21:25.05 | xand | the package isn't called nc6 |
| 21:25.14 | xand | it's called netcat |
| 21:25.22 | maddash | !find nc6 |
| 21:25.31 | xand | W: Unable to locate package nc6 |
| 21:25.33 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'nc6' (5 of 7): (/usr/bin/nc6) in net/netcat6 ;; (/usr/share/keytouch/keyboards/nc6320.HP) in admin/keytouch-data ;; (/usr/share/common-lisp/source/yaclml/t/root-b/inc6.tal) in devel/cl-yaclml ;; (/usr/share/doc/povray/html/images/tutorial/polyfunc6.png) in non-free/doc/povray-doc ;; (/usr/share/texmf-texlive/fonts/source/public/ecc/conc6pt.mf) in tex/texlive-fonts-extra. |
| 21:25.37 | sav_ | wow I've heard this same old story so many times :) the modem crap excuse |
| 21:25.43 | maddash | xand: shut up. |
| 21:25.43 | abrotman | why is he using netcat? |
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| 21:25.52 | xand | maddash: because I'm right? |
| 21:25.54 | maddash | abrotman: to make sure that his port 3000 is open |
| 21:25.56 | abrotman | haha! .. maddash is wrong! |
| 21:26.02 | abrotman | maddash: netstat is too hard? |
| 21:26.07 | maddash | xand: you can't read? nc6 = netcat |
| 21:26.10 | abrotman | fuser ? lsof? |
| 21:26.19 | xand | maddash: and the package isn't called "nc6" |
| 21:26.30 | jelly-home | "netcat6" |
| 21:26.54 | Ace2016 | oh just search in synaptic for netcat |
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| 21:27.15 | maddash | xand: yes, you're right about the package, wrong about the binary |
| 21:27.18 | itchi | spoown: The isp they use is belnet? |
| 21:27.39 | xand | maddash: nope, the binary isn't called nc6 either |
| 21:27.53 | xand | and you were telling him the package was called nc6 |
| 21:28.00 | spoown | itchi, yes, all the university or nearly all of belgium use the belnet network ! |
| 21:28.11 | naxxtor | aargh it's xand |
| 21:28.12 | itchi | spoown: Nah |
| 21:28.25 | |Krooks| | abrotman: aftern much googling and readings, I have decided to go with ext3 for my 500GB external drive. |
| 21:28.29 | jelly-home | xand: as the bot said, there's a /usr/bin/nc6 in the netcat6 package |
| 21:28.29 | itchi | spoown: Belgacom, telnet, and a very few belnet ;-) |
| 21:28.38 | abrotman | |Krooks|: yay! |
| 21:28.48 | maddash | xand: http://packages.debian.org/lenny/i386/netcat6/filelist , now fuck off. |
| 21:28.57 | abrotman | maddash: netstat? lsof? fuser? |
| 21:29.01 | abrotman | telnet? |
| 21:29.01 | spoown | itchi, belnet is only for organisation , not private use ! |
| 21:29.02 | xand | maddash: so, why does he need ipv6 support for this? |
| 21:29.10 | maddash | abrotman: why are you telling me? I'm not the one with the problem |
| 21:29.13 | jelly-home | maddash: could you stop with the swearing? |
| 21:29.17 | itchi | spoown: Belgacom, telnet has both |
| 21:29.19 | abrotman | maddash: yes .. you are .. you're being an ass |
| 21:29.33 | maddash | abrotman: and lsof helps with my being an ass? |
| 21:29.44 | abrotman | maddash: there's no reason to have him install netcat |
| 21:29.44 | xand | naxxtor: what? |
| 21:30.09 | maddash | abrotman: so you'd rather argue with me about it instead of helping him? |
| 21:30.12 | lunitik | maddash: He's just pointing out why you should shut up and someone else help. |
| 21:30.23 | spoown | itchi, ah ok, it's a big enterprise :) |
| 21:30.27 | abrotman | maddash: you're arguing with everyone who is telling you that you don't need it |
| 21:30.29 | lunitik | maddash: It's tough to help when 10 people are saying different things to someone |
| 21:30.47 | maddash | lunitik: doesn't that imply that none of you are helping him? |
| 21:31.06 | abrotman | spoown: is the system listening on port 3000 or not? |
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| 21:31.14 | lunitik | maddash: Indeed... because they're busy getting to stop confusing him. |
| 21:31.22 | lunitik | getting you* |
| 21:31.37 | maddash | abrotman: no, I'm arguing with xand, who's nitpicking my suggestion, and you, who thinks that I've got the port 3000 problem |
| 21:31.48 | xand | spoown: so erm, can you ssh to the machine from itself? using the ethernet IP, not localhost |
| 21:32.01 | abrotman | maddash: no .. i think you have a problem helping people .. i don't care a bit about your port 3000 |
| 21:32.13 | xand | maddash: I wasn't nitpicking, just saying what the correct package name is. |
| 21:32.14 | xand | jeez |
| 21:32.32 | maddash | xand: didn't I tell you that you were correct about the package name? or did you not read it? |
| 21:32.39 | |Krooks| | I'm going to use ext3 on my 500GB external drive. Anyone thinks thats a bad idea ? |
| 21:32.42 | naxxtor | i'm trying to run xorg on a headless virtual machine (don't laugh), and i get this error:xf86OpenConsole: Cannot open /dev/tty0 (No such file or directory) |
| 21:32.54 | naxxtor | i've tried mknoding it to no avail - same error |
| 21:32.56 | xand | nhevermind. |
| 21:32.59 | xand | -h |
| 21:33.15 | maddash | spoown: can you even ssh into localhost? |
| 21:33.20 | spoown | abrotman, yes, i can do a ssh on me with port 3000 ! |
| 21:33.23 | abrotman | |Krooks|: it should be fine |
| 21:33.25 | spoown | Madd_Matt, yes it works ! |
| 21:33.32 | naxxtor | i've tried googling it and all i see if people with the same problem and no solution |
| 21:33.33 | abrotman | spoown: but they can't from outside your network? |
| 21:33.48 | xand | spoown: ssh -p 3000 <your IP address that isn't 127.0.0.1> ? |
| 21:34.17 | |Krooks| | abrotman: thanks |
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| 21:34.20 | maddash | spoown: maybe you're behind some firewall that filters port 3000? |
| 21:34.21 | itchi | spoown: Still don't work :-s |
| 21:35.07 | jelly-home | spoown: you said your machine is on a private lan. Is your router set up to forward tcp port 3000 to your machine? |
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| 21:35.26 | xand | spoown: you said you're behind a private LAN... does that mean you have a 192.168./10./172.16. address? |
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| 21:36.01 | fusen | eyes xALEXANDRE |
| 21:36.04 | fusen | xand also |
| 21:36.07 | xand | *slap* |
| 21:36.16 | xand | that's not my name... oh someone else |
| 21:36.17 | xand | :) |
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| 21:36.23 | Ace2016 | why are there slashes in that ip address? |
| 21:36.30 | xand | because it's not an IP address |
| 21:36.31 | abrotman | it's not an IP |
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| 21:36.36 | xand | naxxtor: try stracing it? |
| 21:36.36 | Agiofws | hey |
| 21:36.38 | Agiofws | hello |
| 21:36.43 | xand | naxxtor: to see if it's really trying to open that |
| 21:36.51 | naxxtor | xand: yeah, tried stracing it and it's hard to tell |
| 21:37.20 | lunitik | ~hi Agiofws |
| 21:37.21 | apt | Many greetings, Agiofws, most strange traveller, to this IRCdom of plenty. |
| 21:37.21 | b0rsuk | apt-get purge : E - invalid operation purge |
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| 21:37.36 | lunitik | ~botsnack |
| 21:37.36 | apt | thanks, lunitik |
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| 21:37.49 | naxxtor | xand: searching for /dev/tty0 only shows me the error message |
| 21:38.31 | xand | Yep, that's the current virtual console. Do you have CONFIG_VT enabled? If yes, |
| 21:38.31 | xand | probably the VC initialization failed due to vgacon failing. In that case, you |
| 21:38.32 | xand | can try enabling dummycon (and hope X can wake up your graphics card). |
| 21:38.32 | jelly-home | b0rsuk: reading apt-get manual might help you to find the correct combination of options and commands to purge a package. |
| 21:38.34 | abrotman | b0rsuk: man apt-get |
| 21:38.42 | xand | naxxtor: that's what one google result says |
| 21:38.46 | Agiofws | a freind is trying to mount a windows partition and is getting a permission denied is there anything wrong with this line |
| 21:38.48 | Agiofws | /dev/sda1 /media/sda1 ntfs-3g user,locale=el_GR.utf8,force,umask=117,gid=1001,uid=1000 0 0 |
| 21:38.55 | naxxtor | xand: got link? |
| 21:39.01 | xand | http://64.233.183.104/search?q=cache:C_KbIZ6TpsQJ:osdir.com/ml/kernel.console/2004-08/msg00009.html+%22error:xf86OpenConsole:+Cannot+open+/dev/tty0+(No+such+file+or+directory)%22&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=6&client=iceweasel-a |
| 21:39.09 | naxxtor | i think i've seen that already, but i'll check anyway |
| 21:39.35 | xand | Agiofws: as root? |
| 21:39.54 | Agiofws | no he wants to as user |
| 21:39.58 | b0rsuk | I already found it. |
| 21:40.01 | Agiofws | xand, |
| 21:40.04 | xand | does it work as root? |
| 21:40.07 | jelly-home | Agiofws: fstab settings for FUSE based filesystems look different. |
| 21:40.09 | b0rsuk | I just purged xorg , xserver-xorg |
| 21:40.10 | naxxtor | xand: hmm, yeah, i wasn't sure what they were referring to with dummycon, least anything to do with waking up graphics cards |
| 21:40.31 | xand | naxxtor: what is your video card driver set to in xorg.conf? |
| 21:40.32 | lunitik | jelly-home: CIFS sits ontop of FUSE now? |
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| 21:40.36 | naxxtor | xand: dummy |
| 21:40.54 | naxxtor | Identifier "Generic Video Card" Driver "dummy" |
| 21:40.59 | Agiofws | jelly-home, what should i do ? |
| 21:41.01 | jelly-home | lunitik: not that I know of |
| 21:41.28 | matt___ | i wrote a script, and i have a few questions. i'm running kubuntu, but i want/HOPE that the script will work on nearly all distros. i figure it'll work on debian, but can someone review/test it? its a script to install liberation fonts. http://crunchbang.org/archives/2007/10/31/liberation-fonts-for-ubuntu/ |
| 21:41.35 | matt___ | umm...wrong url |
| 21:41.36 | jelly-home | Agiofws: ntfs-3g#/dev/sdg1 /mount/point fuse options-here 0 0 |
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| 21:41.40 | |Krooks| | Someone tell me to use ext2 rather than ext3. He says journalling fs does not do very well on external disk ? Anyone heard of that ? |
| 21:41.45 | matt___ | http://www.linuxhack3r.com/Downloads/Scripts/liberation.sh |
| 21:41.46 | lunitik | Agiofws: How exactly are you attempting to connect to the share? Do you have smbclient installed? Or are you failing to even access the network? |
| 21:42.04 | spoown | xand, jelly-home , you were right, my real ip address is a private ip 10/.... |
| 21:42.07 | Agiofws | its on the machine localy lunitik |
| 21:42.13 | jelly-home | lunitik: It's not a share. It's a local fs. |
| 21:42.32 | spoown | abrotman, yes, i'm unable to do ssh from the global internet |
| 21:42.52 | abrotman | spoown: okay .. but other people can't? |
| 21:42.59 | Agiofws | jelly-home, why do i need fuse its on the machine localy |
| 21:43.14 | jelly-home | Agiofws: ntfs-3g is a fuse based filesystem |
| 21:43.19 | lunitik | Agiofws: ignore me... ntfs-3g is a fuse based filesystem |
| 21:43.32 | matt___ | kkkk |
| 21:44.02 | Agiofws | ntfs-3g#/dev/sdg1 /mount/point fuse options-here 0 0 <--- is this the synatx ? |
| 21:44.08 | Agiofws | in fastab ? |
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| 21:44.24 | xand | spoown: if you have control of the router you'll have to forward the port... otherwise you're SOA I guess |
| 21:44.40 | maddash | 'stuck on acid'? |
| 21:44.41 | Agiofws | ntfs-3g#/dev/sdg1 like that with the # ? |
| 21:44.46 | Agiofws | jelly-home, ? |
| 21:44.48 | Airbottl1 | hey, i tried again to get crontab working, but still no succes, i made 2 little scripts to start and stop rtorrent, and i want them execute with crontab, but there is no screen starting, and i have no idea what can be wrong, the information i have is pasted here: http://paste.debian.net/44990 |
| 21:45.03 | jelly-home | Agiofws: yes. put your options from above in the correct place, and use te correct device in ntfs-3g#/dev/whatever |
| 21:45.19 | Agiofws | /dev/sda1 /media/sda1 ntfs-3g user,locale=el_GR.utf8,force,umask=117,gid=1001,uid=1000 0 0 |
| 21:45.21 | Agiofws | ok |
| 21:45.23 | Agiofws | so its |
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| 21:45.38 | \amethyst | Airbottl1: this is in your user crontab? |
| 21:45.38 | xand | erm, sol. |
| 21:45.48 | Airbottl1 | yes \amethyst |
| 21:46.00 | \amethyst | Airbottl1: and there is a screen session running? |
| 21:46.04 | Airbottl1 | no |
| 21:46.05 | itchi | |Krooks|: For these usb keys. Journaling flush to frequently |
| 21:46.27 | matt___ | i wrote a script, and i have a few questions. i'm running kubuntu, but i want/HOPE that the script will work on nearly all distros. i figure it'll work on debian, but can someone review/test it? its a script to install liberation fonts. http://www.linuxhack3r.com/Downloads/Scripts/liberation.sh |
| 21:47.04 | Agiofws | ntfs-3g#/dev/sda1 /media/sda1 fuse user,locale=el_GR.utf8,force,umask=022,gid=1001,uid=1000 0 0 |
| 21:47.07 | Agiofws | like that ? |
| 21:47.09 | Airbottl1 | i expected it to start when the indicated time in crontab has appeared |
| 21:47.15 | jelly-home | Agiofws: right |
| 21:47.25 | Airbottl1 | do i have to start a screen session for that? |
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| 21:47.28 | Agiofws | :) |
| 21:47.38 | jelly-home | WOT |
| 21:48.01 | \amethyst | Airbottl1: Perhaps add set -x to the top of your rtorrent_start.sh script |
| 21:48.18 | \amethyst | Airbottl1: then, when it runs, you will get an email with a list of which commands ran |
| 21:48.26 | cusco | so... nobody using testing noticed any weird behaviour in iceweasel?# |
| 21:48.30 | Airbottl1 | ok, i'll try |
| 21:48.32 | \amethyst | Airbottl1: so you can see if it actually managed to start the screen successfully or not |
| 21:48.34 | jelly-home | matt___: bash scripting question --> #bash, and may $DEITY have mercy on your soul... |
| 21:48.36 | xand | Airbottl1: things run by cron don't have the same paths, shell stuff as when run "manually" |
| 21:48.41 | maddash | cusco: such as? |
| 21:48.43 | lunitik | cusco: What sort of strange behavior? |
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| 21:48.56 | cusco | not showing some text on some pages |
| 21:48.57 | xand | Airbottl1: try something like /usr/bin/touch /tmp/blah in your crontab to test it |
| 21:49.06 | matt___ | jelly-home: so is that debian-bash, or just bash? |
| 21:49.12 | lunitik | cusco: Care to sight a page? |
| 21:49.16 | jelly-home | matt___: #bash |
| 21:49.21 | matt___ | jelly-home: thank you |
| 21:49.28 | lunitik | cusco: Surprisingly, not everyone frequents the same sights ;) |
| 21:49.36 | cusco | lots of them but right now... hold |
| 21:49.37 | Agiofws | jelly-home, |
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| 21:49.44 | Agiofws | lnxusr@lin:~$ mount /media/sda1 : permission denied |
| 21:49.46 | spoown | xand, I haven't got control of the router, damned !! |
| 21:50.01 | b0rsuk | I I tracked down that awful DPI / font size problem |
| 21:50.03 | lunitik | Uhh... sites... but sights also... heh |
| 21:50.07 | Airbottl1 | i started a screen with the name Torrents manually and this was shut down by cron |
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| 21:50.15 | mpr | Hello |
| 21:50.18 | cusco | for instance: http://online.vodafone.co.uk/dispatch/Portal/appmanager/vodafone/wrp;wrpsessionid=Yn2dHkMGFLk1PLJBpr5Qvy07cGY4589GQfFCTgdVshQqKcpVqd9t!1614933785?_nfpb=true&_pageLabel=templateBlank&pageID=VIRTUAL_HOME&redirectedByRedirectsImplServletFlag=true |
| 21:50.19 | Airbottl1 | but the start script doesn't work |
| 21:50.20 | itchi | spoown: Just ask to local admin, they may have some rules to respect |
| 21:50.34 | \amethyst | Airbottl1: the start script doesn't work where? |
| 21:50.41 | mpr | Problems with monitoring my battery of my PowerBook G4. Since a few weeks the monitoring plugin xfce4-battery-plugin doesn't work anymore on my Apple Powerbook G4. It looks like apm doesn't work anymore. I read something about apm_emu but cannot find anything about it. |
| 21:50.42 | \amethyst | Airbottl1: does it work from the command line? |
| 21:50.43 | cusco | most of the text I am able to select but not to see (even if selected) |
| 21:50.45 | b0rsuk | After purging xserver-xorg, and running dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg ,kde launches with pretty bad (but not awful) resolution and dpi. |
| 21:50.50 | Airbottl1 | yes it works from the command line |
| 21:50.53 | jelly-home | Agiofws: does it work as root? |
| 21:50.58 | Agiofws | yes |
| 21:51.00 | Airbottl1 | but i started manually the Torrent screen |
| 21:51.12 | Airbottl1 | nothing appeared when the time for start screen has reached |
| 21:51.22 | Airbottl1 | but it quitted on the stop -time |
| 21:51.25 | \amethyst | Airbottl1: try the set -x thing |
| 21:51.27 | b0rsuk | When I right click on desktop and select COnfigure desktop > Display > 1280x1024, I get really nice display. Just perfect. |
| 21:51.32 | \amethyst | in the start script, that is |
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| 21:51.49 | jelly-home | Agiofws: umount it. ls -ld /media/sda1 |
| 21:51.51 | b0rsuk | BUT if I check the "set settings at kde startup", it gets really awful after restarting KDE |
| 21:51.58 | Airbottl1 | i did \amethyst: |
| 21:51.58 | lunitik | cusco: Perhaps you mean the flash animation not loading? Other than that, in 2 different browsers, it looks the same? |
| 21:51.58 | Airbottl1 | + screen -ls |
| 21:51.58 | Airbottl1 | + grep -q Torrents |
| 21:51.58 | Airbottl1 | + cd /usr/local/bin |
| 21:51.58 | Airbottl1 | + screen -D -m -S Torrents -t Torrents rtorrent |
| 21:51.58 | *** kick/#debian [Airbottl1!n=debhelpe@unaffiliated/debhelper] by debhelper (use the paster bot or #flood) |
| 21:52.02 | maddash | whoa. |
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| 21:52.20 | maddash | ls |
| 21:52.21 | jelly-home | !tell Airbottl1 -about paster |
| 21:52.24 | maddash | ps aux |
| 21:52.26 | naiv | anyone got a public dns server please ? |
| 21:52.30 | naiv | or at least could you give me the ip of ftp2.fr.debian.org :/ |
| 21:52.34 | Airbottl1 | oops, sry |
| 21:52.37 | maddash | su -c 'halt' |
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| 21:52.43 | maddash | 4543oi |
| 21:52.45 | cusco | lunitik: for you to understand, I just searched for some random page because it is hapenning in LOADS of them! Konqueror shows them fine |
| 21:52.49 | itchi | naiv: Well, ping it and you get beer |
| 21:53.02 | jelly-home | maddash: wtf are you doing? |
| 21:53.11 | maddash | free |
| 21:53.14 | cusco | nevermind it seems to be only mee |
| 21:53.17 | maddash | du --total -h |
| 21:53.27 | \amethyst | cusco: perhaps you changed the default font colors? |
| 21:54.14 | cusco | \amethyst: I have done nothing regarding that but... how would I do that? |
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| 21:54.27 | Agiofws | jelly-home, it does noty mount as root either now |
| 21:54.32 | Agiofws | with that syntax |
| 21:54.43 | \amethyst | cusco: in Edit -> Preferences -> Content tab -> Colors button |
| 21:54.47 | cusco | I am recalling a font pacage that I rmoved.... when I was removing packages installed when I installed mythtv... let me check dpkg.log |
| 21:54.50 | cusco | hmm |
| 21:54.58 | bardyr | is there any ETA for when lenny is going to be released? |
| 21:55.00 | lunitik | cusco: You mean on the right... with scroll bars? Here it's not refreshing, but then I see that in Konqi too... |
| 21:55.10 | naxxtor | hmmmz |
| 21:55.12 | jelly-home | Agiofws: it's possible the normal syntaqx works with your newer version of ntfs-3g now. |
| 21:55.15 | lunitik | cusco: The two pages look exactly the same for me other than that... |
| 21:55.24 | Ronin | bardyr: sometime before the end of the decade unless it takes longer |
| 21:55.25 | eth01 | !paste |
| 21:55.25 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 3 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://channels.debian.net/paste/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. |
| 21:55.35 | Agiofws | ok so put the normal syntax back ? |
| 21:55.37 | bardyr | Ronin, yea i probably thought so :D |
| 21:56.07 | jelly-home | Agiofws: yup, especially if it works for root. I'm still on 1.913-1 |
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| 21:56.14 | Agiofws | jelly-home, drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 4096 2007-12-15 23:44 /media/sda1 |
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| 21:56.34 | jelly-home | Agiofws: chown the mount point to your user, try mounting as user again |
| 21:56.35 | naxxtor | http://paste.debian.net/44992 <-- xorg error |
| 21:56.45 | cusco | lunitik: how about http://wordpress.org/ - I can only see about 10% of the whole text! |
| 21:56.47 | maddash | is it appropriate for one's screen to stay dark permanently after "c+a+bksp"? |
| 21:56.57 | naxxtor | i have no idea what dummycon is, and i don't fancy recompiling with CONFIG_VT disabled ... |
| 21:56.58 | cusco | it just shows blank... showing the background like if there was no letters |
| 21:57.14 | abrotman | maddash: depends how you started X |
| 21:57.19 | Agiofws | chown user:user ? |
| 21:57.27 | Agiofws | chown "user":user ? |
| 21:57.28 | Agiofws | ok |
| 21:57.34 | maddash | and on top of that, not being able to enter in commands, not even blindly? |
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| 21:57.55 | maddash | abrotman: xdm. using a desktop manager |
| 21:57.56 | mpr | How do I get apm support on my powerbook G4? |
| 21:58.08 | jelly-home | maddash: xdm is supposed to restart X |
| 21:58.08 | abrotman | xdm should restart |
| 21:58.15 | abrotman | mpr: i think you want acpi |
| 21:58.23 | karmatronic | maddash: using xdm? beurk |
| 21:58.57 | maddash | ho shit, the focus was on the irc client |
| 21:59.04 | maddash | no wonder the commands didn't process |
| 21:59.06 | lunitik | cusco: I can't reproduce, sorry... are you up-to-date package wise? I installed today, so perhaps my versions are different? |
| 21:59.08 | mpr | abrotman: Okay, but how do I get apci on my powerbook G4. There's no acpid package for powerpc. |
| 21:59.16 | jelly-home | maddash: I thought you've gone all crazy ;-) |
| 21:59.20 | cusco | this is since I upgraded yesterday |
| 21:59.23 | abrotman | mpr: acpi ? |
| 21:59.28 | cusco | lunitik: let me show u a screen shot |
| 21:59.44 | cusco | lunitik: http://wordpress.org/ |
| 21:59.45 | cusco | oops |
| 21:59.55 | cusco | lunitik: http://cusco.tretas.eu/pics/screenshot-iceweasel.png |
| 21:59.58 | mpr | abrotman: there's also no package named acpi for powerpc. |
| 22:00.04 | abrotman | in etch? |
| 22:00.09 | maddash | crap, I even punched in my root pwd |
| 22:00.21 | lunitik | cusco: Can you try to select the text? |
| 22:00.24 | abrotman | maddash: can we laugh at you now? |
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| 22:00.33 | maddash | abrotman: yes. |
| 22:00.51 | cusco | lunitik: sure but I cant read the text, just see some rectangles selected wanna see it? |
| 22:00.52 | abrotman | !pal maddash |
| 22:00.59 | Airbottl1 | wooooot! it works |
| 22:01.08 | Airbottl1 | strange happenings |
| 22:01.19 | abrotman | !ppc |
| 22:01.20 | dpkg | i heard ppc is is short for <powerpc>, and powerpc is the superior architecture. You worship it, and wish you were running on it. Check out http://www.debian.org/ports/powerpc/ or visit #debianppc |
| 22:01.25 | Airbottl1 | weird stuff.. |
| 22:01.26 | AKX^ | Is there a preferred way of upgrading to another kernel (via dpkg)? |
| 22:01.27 | Airbottl1 | ^^ |
| 22:01.33 | cusco | lunitik: I can even copy the text... |
| 22:01.35 | lunitik | cusco: I'll believe you! Try overriding the font or installing msttcorefonts? |
| 22:01.39 | abrotman | mpr: there is ampd |
| 22:01.41 | abrotman | erm .. apmd |
| 22:01.48 | techrush | mpr, powermacs dont use acpi |
| 22:01.50 | abrotman | dunno why ppc can't use acpi ... silly ibm |
| 22:01.56 | abrotman | techrush: that was my bad |
| 22:02.33 | antixogh | quit playing with that you'll shoot your eye out! |
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| 22:02.50 | techrush | mpr, most likely your powerbook supports PMU, and you can use powernowd to get cpu scaling |
| 22:03.05 | lunitik | Wrong window I guess... lol |
| 22:03.40 | karmatronic | Âany cool game to recommend, i m bored ... |
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| 22:03.40 | lunitik | karmatronic: What are you into? |
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| 22:03.40 | lunitik | karmatronic: There is linux-gaming.com or something like that... look around |
| 22:03.40 | karmatronic | lunitik: i prefer girls /:Â) |
| 22:03.45 | mpr | techrush: I though so to, but until a few weeks back my xfce4-battery-plugin worked fine, but now I doesn't anymore. According to the docs this plugin only understands apm and acpi. |
| 22:03.54 | lunitik | karmatronic: hah |
| 22:04.02 | mpr | techrush: Is there some kind of apm emulation I can use? |
| 22:04.06 | karmatronic | lunitik: some cool mind games |
| 22:04.13 | techrush | mpr, im not sure sorry |
| 22:04.22 | karmatronic | lunitik: pathological,xsok,mahjong,... |
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| 22:04.30 | techrush | battery monitor works by default on my powerbook running sid |
| 22:04.36 | abrotman | mpr: try the #debianppc channel |
| 22:04.41 | mpr | techrush: no problem thanks. |
| 22:04.47 | mpr | abchirk: I will. Thanks. |
| 22:04.51 | Agiofws | jelly-home, still |
| 22:05.00 | mpr | abrotman: I will thanks. |
| 22:05.03 | mbroeker | Hi! Do you know a way to enable Scrolling in Screen Sessions? |
| 22:05.10 | Agiofws | jelly-home, chown lnxusr:users /media/sda1 |
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| 22:05.15 | naxxtor | enable? |
| 22:05.18 | penp | mbroeker: no, but i was wondering the same thing |
| 22:05.19 | lunitik | karmatronic: Oh... I like killing stuff when I play games :) |
| 22:05.22 | abrotman | !beer abchirk |
| 22:05.57 | naxxtor | Ctrl-A > |
| 22:05.58 | naxxtor | ? |
| 22:06.06 | jelly-home | Agiofws: while it was unmounted? If it still fails to work, I have no more ideas |
| 22:06.40 | mpr | techrush: which gui do you use? |
| 22:06.47 | abrotman | X! |
| 22:07.03 | mbroeker | naxxtor, ctrl-a or ctrl-A :) |
| 22:07.07 | lunitik | karmatronic: try http://www.absolutist.com/linux/ or http://gamesuy.blogspot.com/2007/12/top-10-free-linux-3d-games.html ... just ignore the tuxracer part... |
| 22:07.23 | karmatronic | lunitik: let s see /:Â) |
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| 22:08.02 | karmatronic | lunitik: look cool thanx |
| 22:08.04 | techrush | mpr, gnome |
| 22:08.04 | mbroeker | naxxtor, ok i am reading the man page. |
| 22:08.10 | lunitik | karmatronic: Anything related to gaming or 3D on Linux is pretty much obligated to bring up TuxRacer... it's really a tedious game though :/ |
| 22:08.26 | cusco | lunitik: weird as it may seem... after installing that msttfonts package it worked! |
| 22:08.32 | cusco | I can now read wordpress.org |
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| 22:08.56 | lunitik | cusco: yay! |
| 22:09.13 | cusco | im puzzled! I should not neet the true type ms fonts |
| 22:09.20 | cusco | thanks lunitik |
| 22:09.20 | karmatronic | lunitik: oh it s fun |
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| 22:09.21 | jelly-home | lunitik: is there a mention of tremulous? |
| 22:09.24 | lunitik | cusco: Don't tell anyone though, wouldn't want M$ at your door :P |
| 22:09.25 | mpr | techrush: which battery plugin do you use? |
| 22:09.40 | cusco | hehe surely not |
| 22:09.49 | lunitik | jelly-home: yes |
| 22:09.56 | techrush | mpr, whatever panel applet gnome ships with by default |
| 22:10.33 | abrotman | batteries suck .. use a generator! |
| 22:10.43 | mpr | abrotman: Indeed. |
| 22:10.44 | naxxtor | mbroeker: if you do Ctrl-A ? you'll get the help page |
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| 22:10.54 | Airbottl1 | ok, thanks for the advice, i go now, bye |
| 22:10.57 | mpr | abrotman: but those are heavy to carry. |
| 22:11.15 | abrotman | mpr: i suppose you have a point .. probably wouldn't get through airport security either |
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| 22:11.40 | lunitik | http://icculus.org/lgfaq/gamelist.php <-- anyone wanna go through that list for me and get rid of the ones that suck, then send it back? :P |
| 22:12.13 | mpr | abrotman: indeed. |
| 22:12.40 | mpr | techrush: do you have apmd installed on your machine? |
| 22:12.40 | abrotman | lunitik: go to #gentoo .. they apparently have a lot of free time |
| 22:13.05 | lunitik | abrotman: Like they could compile AND play games... well, other than solitare ... |
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| 22:13.37 | lunitik | abrotman: That's why they made the Gaming Live CD ;) |
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| 22:14.24 | techrush | mpr, nope |
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| 22:15.09 | jetscreamer | cAn enE1 help me wid my ubuntu???!!!! |
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| 22:15.18 | Rui | hello again :) |
| 22:15.19 | abrotman | jetscreamer: we've had enough of that today |
| 22:15.30 | jelly-home | jetscreamer: lolol |
| 22:15.35 | lunitik | jetscreamer: Yes! *hands you a debian businesscard cd* |
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| 22:16.14 | jetscreamer | ahhh... all fixed |
| 22:16.16 | stew | jetscreamer: maybe you should dist-upgrade your ubuntu to kanotix |
| 22:16.19 | Rui | can anyone help me setting up my touchpad? |
| 22:16.33 | Rui | i followed debuntu's guide but now it wont even move |
| 22:17.00 | maddash | jelly-home: YES. |
| 22:17.07 | jetscreamer | internal gyro? |
| 22:17.13 | maddash | accelerometer |
| 22:17.16 | maddash | hdaps |
| 22:17.20 | jelly-home | maddash: fuck yeah! |
| 22:17.25 | jetscreamer | i have an old thinkpad, i probably don't have one? |
| 22:17.55 | xand | naxxtor: umm you are trying as root, yes? |
| 22:17.57 | jelly-home | jetscreamer: T40+, I think |
| 22:18.02 | naxxtor | xand: correct |
| 22:18.03 | jetscreamer | t20 here |
| 22:18.05 | mavhc | because moving a laptop whilst the harddrive is on is always a sane idea |
| 22:18.24 | mpr | techrush: thanks. |
| 22:18.30 | maddash | jelly-home: which thinkpad do you have? |
| 22:18.35 | jelly-home | jetscreamer: yeah, t20 doesn't have hdaps |
| 22:18.38 | jelly-home | maddash: Z60m |
| 22:18.59 | \amethyst | jelly-home: I've seen a video of neverball with the gyro |
| 22:19.08 | mpr | bye |
| 22:19.21 | maddash | \amethyst: yes, but that was on a mac, right? |
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| 22:19.57 | jelly-home | there should also be some pinball games with support for, er, accelerometers |
| 22:20.12 | \amethyst | maddash: are their black mac notebooks? |
| 22:20.21 | maddash | \amethyst: yes? |
| 22:20.29 | lunitik | \amethyst: You can paint it? |
| 22:20.32 | \amethyst | oh, okay then, it likely was a mac |
| 22:20.43 | wols | \amethyst: the MBP should be black |
| 22:20.58 | maddash | jelly-home: swinging your laptop around like some jedi knight probably isn't healthy for the hard drive... |
| 22:21.05 | lunitik | maddash: Since when did Apple provide choice for something other than the iPod? |
| 22:21.24 | jelly-home | maddash: wii! I mean, whee! |
| 22:21.33 | maddash | http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&client=iceweasel-a&rls=org.debian%3Aen-US%3Aunofficial&q=black+macbook&btnG=Search |
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| 22:22.20 | lunitik | Now they're just gonna confuse their userbase! |
| 22:23.11 | jelly-home | lunitik: now if they had models with trackpoints, I'd consider switching to a Mac |
| 22:24.07 | lunitik | jelly-home: Ahh, those things are still funky to me.... then I haven't really gotten much use out of a laptop... |
| 22:24.29 | abrotman | \amethyst: there was a black g3 powerbook IIRC also |
| 22:24.47 | jelly-home | lunitik: I never has to move my hand off the keyboard now. |
| 22:24.49 | lunitik | jelly-home: Doesn't the MIghtyMouse thing have one actually? heh |
| 22:25.28 | lunitik | jelly-home: They picked up on the idea... just not the reasoning I guess... heh |
| 22:25.46 | lunitik | jelly-home: Then, most users don't even touch their keyboard... it's weird |
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| 22:27.14 | maddash | the mac portable keyboards are quite cumbersome |
| 22:27.16 | abrotman | lunitik: it has a bi-directional wheel |
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| 22:28.41 | Ace2016 | Anyone know how to edit the startup services in debian? |
| 22:28.48 | Ace2016 | anyone know how to setup broadcom wireless? |
| 22:28.57 | xand | !anyone |
| 22:28.57 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone uses <someprogram>. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use <someprogram>?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls> |
| 22:29.07 | xand | Ace2016: yes. |
| 22:29.11 | stew | Ace2016: update-rc.d or rcconf to edit startup |
| 22:29.26 | Ace2016 | any gui apps? |
| 22:29.29 | xand | !bcm43xx |
| 22:29.30 | dpkg | bcm43xx is a driver for Broadcom's wireless chipsets (http://bcm43xx.berlios.de/) included in kernels since 2.6.17-rc2, "modprobe bcm43xx" in Etch. Firmware required to be loaded before operation, ask me about <bcm43xx-fwcutter>. Replaced with <b43legacy> in kernels 2.6.24 and later. USB devices are not supported. |
| 22:29.31 | jelly-home | whee, it works with hdaps out of the box! |
| 22:29.35 | xand | Ace2016: that? |
| 22:29.51 | xand | Ace2016: linux is designed to be adminned from the CLI :) |
| 22:29.51 | Ace2016 | update-rc.d is a gui app? |
| 22:29.58 | xand | no it's not. |
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| 22:30.25 | xand | there's a 2.6.24? :o |
| 22:30.32 | Ace2016 | oh cool, new kernel yay |
| 22:30.47 | Ace2016 | -_- |
| 22:30.52 | jelly-home | !kernel |
| 22:30.53 | dpkg | Linux kernel versions, stable: 2.6.23.11, prepatch: 2.6.24-rc5, snapshot: 2.6.24-rc5-git3, 2.4: 2.4.35.4, prepatch: 2.4.36-pre2, 2.2: 2.2.26, prepatch: 2.2.27-rc2, -mm patch: 2.6.24-rc5-mm1 |
| 22:30.54 | Ace2016 | there is no 2.6.24 |
| 22:30.56 | maddash | !365.25*8 |
| 22:30.57 | dpkg | 2922 |
| 22:31.03 | maddash | !365.25*8.555 |
| 22:31.03 | dpkg | 3124.71375 |
| 22:31.07 | maddash | !365.25*8.00 |
| 22:31.07 | dpkg | 2922 |
| 22:31.13 | Ace2016 | why are you doing math on irc? |
| 22:31.14 | jelly-home | ... |
| 22:31.21 | jelly-home | !3000/365.25 |
| 22:31.22 | dpkg | 8.213552361396 |
| 22:31.23 | maddash | what poor doofus would manually scan 2922 photos? |
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| 22:31.34 | mavhc | a poor one |
| 22:31.36 | vince36 | hello, i've a newbie , i've just compiled a package, the binary is in /opt/package/src, how can i tell to the whole system that this is located here ? |
| 22:31.40 | naxxtor | one being paid £10 a photo? |
| 22:31.44 | jelly-home | maddash: a webcomic making one? |
| 22:32.01 | Ace2016 | vince36: you could install it to /usr/local |
| 22:32.10 | xand | vince36: put it in a sensible place... /usr/local/bin |
| 22:32.18 | vince36 | Ace2016, isn't it too late ? |
| 22:32.23 | vince36 | can i move it now ? |
| 22:32.26 | xand | vince36: mv |
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| 22:32.34 | maddash | jelly-home: I'm talking about those "age before your eyes" videos |
| 22:32.35 | Ace2016 | xand: you can't move it now can you? |
| 22:32.43 | vince36 | ok i just move the binary then ? |
| 22:32.46 | xand | why not? |
| 22:32.47 | xand | vince36: yes. |
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| 22:32.50 | Ace2016 | make a symlink |
| 22:32.54 | jelly-home | maddash: oh, a patient one then |
| 22:32.55 | xand | Ace2016: it's not a windows program :P |
| 22:32.56 | vince36 | oooh yes |
| 22:32.57 | Ace2016 | or a bash script that launches it |
| 22:33.02 | xand | no |
| 22:33.03 | xand | just move it |
| 22:33.11 | Ace2016 | xand: well the bash script always works |
| 22:33.17 | xand | no. |
| 22:33.19 | Ace2016 | if he moves it, it could overwrite other packages |
| 22:33.21 | xand | it does not |
| 22:33.22 | jelly-home | maddash: well it is only a few minutes each day |
| 22:33.23 | stew | vince36: what is the software? what do you mean by tell the system where it is located? |
| 22:33.28 | Ace2016 | xand: it works for azureus |
| 22:33.30 | xand | Ace2016: no, packages don't use /usr/local |
| 22:33.34 | vince36 | cant understand that ? |
| 22:33.38 | vince36 | its freej |
| 22:33.44 | xand | Ace2016: it won't always work... if you use arguments to the program they won't be passed to it |
| 22:34.05 | xand | vince36: generally programs you compile yourself go in /usr/local/bin |
| 22:34.10 | stew | or /opt |
| 22:34.12 | vince36 | thx for yur answers guys |
| 22:34.14 | Ace2016 | :P /opt/azureus/azureus "$*" the bits on the end add the arguments |
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| 22:34.29 | vince36 | i compiled it in opt/freej |
| 22:34.36 | xand | stew: yes, but that's not in the standard PATH |
| 22:34.46 | vince36 | then my binary is in /opt/freej/src |
| 22:34.49 | Ace2016 | ok well just change $PATH |
| 22:34.52 | stew | vince36: that's fine. what exactly is the problem? |
| 22:35.00 | xand | oh I don't care |
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| 22:35.10 | vince36 | problem is that i just can start it with the complete path |
| 22:35.15 | vince36 | or be in the dir |
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| 22:36.28 | stew | vince36: you can make a symlink to the binary in /usr/local/bin with "ln -s /opt/freej/src/freej /usr/local/bin/" or you can possibly copy the file directly to /usr/local/bin |
| 22:37.07 | AKX | How would I enable the framebuffer console (and raise the resolution there?) |
| 22:37.11 | vince36 | yes thx stew , waow im tired tonight |
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| 22:38.06 | stew | AKX: /msg dpkg fbcon resolution |
| 22:38.39 | Ace2016 | vince36: you can start it with the complete path correct? well try, creating the file /usr/bin/freej then inside it put, #!/bin/sh (second line ) /opt/pathtoexecutablefile "$*" (empty line) |
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| 22:39.44 | Ace2016 | Anyone know how to have a cool looking startup dialogue like in knoppix, with the awesome looking green text with bits of purple and stuff? |
| 22:40.00 | Ace2016 | i mean cool startup console output |
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| 22:40.39 | jelly-home | maddash: I need an ultraportable for this... my thinkpad is almost 6lb and neverball makes my wrists tired! |
| 22:40.58 | \amethyst | jelly-home: hacked iphone? |
| 22:41.16 | jelly-home | \amethyst: or a wii controller |
| 22:41.22 | \amethyst | they're bluetooth |
| 22:41.28 | \amethyst | wii controllers that is |
| 22:41.31 | jelly-home | I got bt. |
| 22:42.14 | \amethyst | I don't know if there's anything atop cwiid that can talk to neverball though :( |
| 22:42.30 | jelly-home | it's quite fun using hdaps to control it, though |
| 22:42.31 | \amethyst | I mean, without writing code |
| 22:43.22 | maddash | how's apt-cache search different from aptitude search? |
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| 22:45.29 | stew | Ace2016: that shell script would combine all the command line arguments into a single command line argument, which i doubt is what he wants. what is wrong with just using a symlink? |
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| 22:46.32 | Ace2016 | stew: just go try that with opera |
| 22:46.53 | \amethyst | maddash: apt-cache does regex searches on package names and descriptions; aptitude supports more complex searches using things like ~d ~i ~D and so on (described in the docs) |
| 22:47.28 | \amethyst | maddash: if you just search for a regexp in aptitude, it will match only names; you need ~dregexp to match descriptions |
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| 22:48.45 | maddash | \amethyst: "~" = "-"? |
| 22:48.52 | stew | Ace2016: why with opera? |
| 22:49.15 | \amethyst | maddash: no, it's ~ |
| 22:49.47 | pobega | maddash: Nope, for example: aptitude search "~i~dshell" which search for all installed packages with the word 'shell' in it's description. |
| 22:50.23 | pobega | I believe information on how to use aptitude's search patterns are in the `aptitude-doc-lang` package. |
| 22:50.26 | stew | Ace2016: what i'm saying is that if you were to make such a script and run "somescript 1 2 3" you would be passing 3 different arguments to somescript, but it would combine all three arguments into a single argument when sending it to the wrapped program |
| 22:50.32 | Ace2016 | with opera it looks for files or something, i remember trying to install it on my uni linux network space, i installed to ~/.stuff/opera/opera but it would not run unless you cd into the directory and run opera or call the full opera command, can't remember exactly, i just put that script in the executable area and told it to run opera using the full path so i could do alt+f2 opera in gnome |
| 22:50.48 | lunitik | pobega: oo... would you happen to know how to get aptitude to search for all words, rather than each word which appears to be the default action? |
| 22:51.07 | maddash | ah, I was staring at the man page |
| 22:51.08 | lunitik | pobega: I've read the man pages, but I didn't see anything that really did that... |
| 22:51.17 | Ace2016 | so somescript would get -123 instead of -1 -2 -3 ??? |
| 22:51.22 | pobega | lunitik: It's not in the man pages, read aptitude-doc-en |
| 22:51.41 | naxxtor | can you only start x as root? |
| 22:51.46 | \amethyst | lunitik: aptitude search "~dfoo~dbar~dbaz" will find all packages whose descriptions contain all three words |
| 22:51.47 | lunitik | pobega: That's what I meant... I thought it was the info pages... but I read them online a while ago... |
| 22:52.03 | lunitik | \amethyst: Thankyou! |
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| 22:52.25 | pobega | lunitik: Seperate the ~d's, i.e. `aptitude search "~dfoo~dbar"` |
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| 22:52.51 | pobega | Oops, I didn't even notice \amethyst beat me to it. |
| 22:53.32 | pobega | naxxtor: No, but you have to be in certain groups to be able to initialize X as far as I know. |
| 22:53.49 | naxxtor | any idea what the groups are? |
| 22:53.51 | Ace2016 | naxxtor: yea you can, just login as root in the command line and run startx, that worked for me |
| 22:54.03 | \amethyst | !learn aptitude search as documented in package aptitude-doc-en, specifically /usr/share/doc/aptitude/html/en/ch02s03.html . |
| 22:54.07 | lunitik | pobega: Appreciated anyways! I probably should continue to read aptitudes docs, it's really powerful! I want to look more into configuring what it knows to keep and remove too, like debfoster... |
| 22:54.14 | lunitik | Project for later :D |
| 22:54.21 | \amethyst | dpkg, learn aptitude search as documented in package aptitude-doc-en, specifically /usr/share/doc/aptitude/html/en/ch02s03.html . |
| 22:54.28 | \amethyst | oh, right |
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| 22:54.38 | \amethyst | dpkg, aptitude search is documented in package aptitude-doc-en, specifically /usr/share/doc/aptitude/html/en/ch02s03.html . |
| 22:54.39 | dpkg | \amethyst: okay |
| 22:54.48 | abrotman | \amethyst: your bot-fu is growing! |
| 22:55.01 | \amethyst | too many channels, too many different bots |
| 22:55.10 | pobega | lunitik: When you install aptitude-doc-en the documents will be located in /usr/share/doc/aptitude/html/en/ |
| 22:55.15 | \amethyst | (three channels is too many) |
| 22:55.15 | Ace2016 | why won't kdm let me login as root, that annoyed me a bit |
| 22:55.23 | pobega | lunitik: The appropriate section is called 'Search Patterns'. |
| 22:55.25 | Ronin | Ace2016: you dont need to log onto x as root |
| 22:55.30 | Ace2016 | yea i did |
| 22:55.36 | LiMaO | Ace2016: there's no need to run a window manager as root |
| 22:55.43 | Ace2016 | ok just listen |
| 22:55.51 | karmatronic | Ace2016: there s an option though which lets kdm log you as root |
| 22:56.10 | maddash | Ace2016: actually, it's better if you don't run your wm as root -- else you'd land yourself into windowsland |
| 22:56.13 | pobega | Ace2016: Explain your situation more, I can barely understand your problem. |
| 22:56.23 | lunitik | karmatronic: It's an option because it should have been taken away, but too many people complained ;) |
| 22:57.25 | Ace2016 | i ran kdesu kcontrol, applied a theme to kde apps and gtk apps, then i ran kdesu synaptic, but it had no effect, so i was like wtf?, i decided to login as root and synaptic looked like it should, so i ran gksudo synaptic as my user and it looked rubbish yet again, so i ran kdesu gnome-control-centre, that looked bad, but the second i opened the appearance tab everything looked as it should and the gnome app that shows a pretty popup when i |
| 22:57.26 | Ace2016 | put the sound up and down started working in kde |
| 22:57.39 | lunitik | pobega: I have to do laundry and stuff for a soccer game later, so I don't want to get wrapped into it right now... \amethyst thank you for the factoid, I'll definitely remember now :) |
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| 22:58.29 | Ace2016 | i had to login as root in the command line and run startx to get it to work |
| 22:58.31 | Ronin | fedito: likewise |
| 22:58.33 | Ace2016 | ok screenshot time |
| 22:59.02 | Ace2016 | wait i have to logout and come back to undo the changes to the gtk look |
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| 22:59.42 | Ronin | usually does |
| 23:00.34 | Ronin | theres something thats for sure |
| 23:00.34 | lunitik | karmatronic: You realize /me is supposed to be used in 3rd person? Else it's rather confusing for a second! |
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| 23:01.13 | asg | abrotman: viagra can help with that you know |
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| 23:01.37 | karmatronic | lunitik: :Â) |
| 23:01.51 | abrotman | asg: i have a stint! |
| 23:01.57 | deadcat | i have a script in my ~/bin/, when i sudo mycommand, it used to run that script. now i have to sudo ~/bin/mycommand. what do i have to change to just sudo mycommand? what do i look for in sudo man page? |
| 23:02.08 | abrotman | deadcat: your path |
| 23:02.09 | asg | abrotman: a real one or just a popsicle stick and duct tape |
| 23:02.13 | abrotman | hehe |
| 23:02.22 | deadcat | abrotman: my path is good. it includes ~/bin/ |
| 23:02.48 | Ace2016 | ok back |
| 23:02.50 | abrotman | deadcat: sudo "echo $PATH" |
| 23:03.23 | karmatronic | deadcat: you could edit you sudoers file and put the entire path of the command |
| 23:03.23 | enouf | too many kio-slaves not closing behind themsekves |
| 23:03.34 | abrotman | at christmas .. they use kio-elves |
| 23:03.43 | deadcat | karmatronic: i have full sudo access |
| 23:04.01 | deadcat | whats this SECURE_PATH in sudo manpage? |
| 23:04.03 | stew | deadcat: look for "environment" in the sudo manpage. the environment (including PATH) is being cleaned before running the command |
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| 23:04.08 | enouf | er, those are cookies, right? O.o |
| 23:04.13 | deadcat | stew: k |
| 23:04.32 | Ace2016 | http://img149.imageshack.us/my.php?image=snapshot8sr5.png <<< see how bad kdesu synaptic looks!! |
| 23:05.12 | Jyzygzel- | i have 4 partitions on my disk |
| 23:05.15 | Jyzygzel- | how do i make more? |
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| 23:05.19 | enouf | no reason in the world you should ever run that command |
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| 23:05.28 | Jyzygzel- | NTDS, NTFS, EXT3, SWAP |
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| 23:05.41 | karmatronic | Ace2016: that s the best theme ever ! |
| 23:05.44 | Jyzygzel- | i need to make more partitions i still have alot of unused |
| 23:05.58 | enouf | Jyzygzel-: buy another disk - less headaches |
| 23:06.05 | stew | Jyzygzel-: with fdisk or cfdisk |
| 23:06.06 | deadcat | Ace2016: the dock at the bottom is pretty nice. whats it called? karamba? |
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| 23:06.09 | karmatronic | Ace2016: where did you get that ? |
| 23:06.15 | Ace2016 | no its avant window manager |
| 23:06.15 | Jyzygzel- | stew it won't let me |
| 23:06.16 | asg | Jyzygzel-: as long as one is an extended partition and they aren't all primary, you should be able to create many logical partitions within the extended one |
| 23:06.19 | Jyzygzel- | it says 4 is maximum |
| 23:06.24 | deadcat | Ace2016: ah |
| 23:06.30 | Jyzygzel- | but they all are primary |
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| 23:06.41 | gmcinnes | anyone knows how to get the usb subsystem to rescan for disks on an ipkg machine? |
| 23:06.47 | Ronin | looks fine to me Ace2016 |
| 23:06.48 | stew | Jyzygzel-: 4 is the maximum number of primary partitions, you'd have to make one of them an extended partition which can contain other partitions |
| 23:07.01 | Jyzygzel- | well can i do that without dataloss? |
| 23:07.06 | Jyzygzel- | or do i have to remove my swap partition |
| 23:07.24 | enouf | you'd remove the swap |
| 23:07.25 | asg | Jyzygzel-: remove the swap partition, you will be fine without it for a short time |
| 23:07.31 | Jyzygzel- | yea |
| 23:07.32 | Ace2016 | http://img88.imageshack.us/my.php?image=snapshot9om7.png << synaptic was left open, i just ran gksudo gnome-control-centre, then no change, but the second i click on Appearance it all looks really nice |
| 23:07.32 | stew | Jyzygzel-: you'd need to use something like parted / gparted |
| 23:07.39 | enouf | then make an Ext'd and some logicals |
| 23:07.40 | Jyzygzel- | yea |
| 23:07.44 | Jyzygzel- | oh ok |
| 23:07.45 | Sam1337 | I'm going to do an installation of Debian Lenny using the net installer sometime this weekend. I have used dm-crypt to encrypt my only hdd. When I perform the installation, will I be able to easily change the dm-crypt passphrase to a more secure one than what I have set now if I already know the current passphrase? |
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| 23:07.55 | Jyzygzel- | so i make extended that has the new partition AND the swap |
| 23:08.03 | enouf | make one of those new logicals your swap, and don't forget to alter /etc/fstab to reflect that |
| 23:08.08 | LiMaO | Ace2016: copy your theme files to the /root folder |
| 23:08.10 | stew | Jyzygzel-: i'd recommend making a backup before doing anything |
| 23:08.14 | LiMaO | Ace2016: to the correct path though |
| 23:08.17 | Jyzygzel- | backup of what? |
| 23:08.29 | Jyzygzel- | of swap? :D |
| 23:08.36 | LiMaO | Ace2016: be sure that you'll have a nice looking synaptic after that |
| 23:08.42 | Ace2016 | LiMaO: what theme files? its just gtk-qt allowing gtk apps to take on the domino look |
| 23:08.57 | Ace2016 | Ronin: see the difference between synaptic's look in the 2 screenshots? |
| 23:09.05 | LiMaO | Ace2016: that 'domino' look or whatever you configured, should be placed in the root folder aswell |
| 23:09.06 | Ronin | not at all, they both look fine to me |
| 23:09.16 | stew | Jyzygzel-: a backup of your data |
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| 23:09.30 | Jyzygzel- | but if im only gonna modify Unallocated and SWAP |
| 23:10.06 | enouf | Jyzygzel-: things can go very bad to all parts of the disk when messing with partitions - Backup important data FIRST |
| 23:10.22 | Jyzygzel- | lol thats so paranoid |
| 23:10.28 | Ace2016 | LiMaO: i logged in as root in gui mode and i made the changes to make everything look fine, but when i login as root only kdesu kcontrol apps keep their root like look, gnome apps loose their look, which i find really annoying |
| 23:10.58 | LiMaO | hmm |
| 23:11.02 | Jyzygzel- | backuping partition table is enough |
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| 23:11.08 | Jyzygzel- | but not required |
| 23:11.11 | enouf | Jyzygzel-: as a matter of fact - also install sfdisk and run this; sfdisk -d /dev/hda > partition.table.BACKUP |
| 23:11.12 | Ace2016 | i mean when i login as a normal user only kdesu kcontrol apps keep their root like look, gnome apps loose their look, which i find really annoying |
| 23:11.46 | stew | Jyzygzel-: there have bbeen serious data loss issues with parted in the recent past |
| 23:11.51 | enouf | Jyzygzel-: replace "hda" with your actual /dev/name |
| 23:12.15 | Jyzygzel- | why not just dd the first sector |
| 23:12.33 | enouf | Jyzygzel-: suit yourself - safe is better than sorry |
| 23:12.45 | lunitik | stew: Did you just stutter while typing? |
| 23:12.47 | deadcat | when i sudo echo $PATH, it shows my bin path /home/deadcat/bin, but when i sudo mycommand. i get command not found |
| 23:13.32 | stew | deadcat: when you run "sudo echo $PATH" your shell replaces $PATH with your path BEFORE running sudo |
| 23:13.51 | lunitik | Ace2016: Try changing the theme of GTK via gtk-qt-engine or whatever... and see if that sticks... if it does, then tell it to use QT style and fonts again... should be fine... |
| 23:14.04 | Ace2016 | ok |
| 23:14.13 | enouf | why would you even run sudo echo $PATH? |
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| 23:14.50 | lunitik | enouf: can you see roots path without being root? |
| 23:14.54 | enouf | you either su user, su root, su -, then run 'echo $PATH' |
| 23:15.23 | Ace2016 | enouf: that wouldn't show root's path would it? you have to su |
| 23:15.28 | deadcat | enouf: stew told me to. i used to run "sudo mycommand" it worked. but that was before some sudo upgrade |
| 23:15.30 | enouf | then maybe a sudo -c sh 'echo PATH' |
| 23:15.31 | lunitik | enouf: sudo would have the coveate of returning to the user once it's done... |
| 23:15.39 | Ace2016 | i thought su just allows you permissions to do powerfull stuff |
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| 23:15.48 | stew | enouf: he's trying to figure out what the PATH variable is inside the sudo environment which could be different than the environment insude the su shell |
| 23:16.13 | deadcat | enouf: sudo in stable still lets me. but my desktop is sid |
| 23:16.14 | stew | deadcat: i didn't tell you to run "sudo echo $PATH", that's exactly the same as just running "echo $PATH" without sudo |
| 23:16.16 | lunitik | kdesu != kdesudo |
| 23:16.40 | lunitik | If he's using kdesu, then it's not using sudo at all. |
| 23:16.41 | enouf | ok, you all win .. i'll go crawl under that rock .. over ---> here |
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| 23:17.16 | TuxHugger | I'm going to do an installation of Debian Lenny using the net installer sometime this weekend. I have used dm-crypt to encrypt my only hdd. When I perform the installation, will I be able to easily change the dm-crypt passphrase to a more secure one than what I have set now if I already know the current passphrase? |
| 23:17.34 | maddash | here <-- kick |
| 23:17.38 | Ace2016 | brb |
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| 23:18.37 | lunitik | deadcat: Stupid question, you ensure the upgrade didn't overwrite the sudoers file? |
| 23:18.55 | stew | there is no way it would |
| 23:19.09 | deadcat | lunitik: no. |
| 23:19.09 | stew | and the thing that he is experiencing is expected |
| 23:19.18 | lunitik | deadcat: Or for that matter, whether the syntax is even the same? Or check BTS? |
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| 23:19.24 | stew | this is a relatively recent change in sudo |
| 23:19.27 | deadcat | lunitik: the sudoers file on the desktop is same as the one on my stable machine |
| 23:19.47 | enouf | (just correcting myself) i meant $ sudo sh -c 'echo $PATH' |
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| 23:23.24 | enouf | lunitik: just a lttile diddy ;-) $ grep PATH /etc/login.defs |
| 23:23.49 | deadcat | enouf: ok. my bin is not listed. |
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| 23:25.03 | enouf | deadcat: usually one just adds it in ~/.bashrc as export PATH=$PATH:/home/username/bin i suppose |
| 23:25.23 | enouf | (that's what i do) |
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| 23:26.32 | deadcat | enouf: ok. i have that in .bash_profile |
| 23:27.53 | deadcat | why is sid keep trying to install dbus? i dont want to install that. |
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| 23:28.11 | enouf | i do mine in ~/.bashrc - and i see the commented section specifically for it in .bash_profile and it's commented out |
| 23:28.33 | lunitik | deadcat: Lots of things depend on it now... it is the primary application messaging system for freedesktop.org... pretty much |
| 23:28.45 | enouf | your DE wants it ;-) |
| 23:28.47 | deadcat | lunitik: ah. damn |
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| 23:29.43 | deadcat | and it installs hal as well. |
| 23:30.19 | kthakore | I keep getting a "hal failed to initalize" pop up on log in and I can't access cdrom and usb devices what can I do? |
| 23:30.23 | lunitik | Hardware Abstraction Layer... also useful if you plan on using removable hardware... |
| 23:30.41 | deadcat | lunitik: like usb? |
| 23:30.50 | lunitik | s/hardware/media/ |
| 23:31.01 | lunitik | deadcat: yes |
| 23:31.09 | kthakore | lunitik, my hsl fails to initialize on start up |
| 23:31.16 | kthakore | lunitik, my hal* |
| 23:31.18 | Ace2016 | how do i get a list of running processes in the command line? o |
| 23:31.21 | deadcat | lunitik: but usb devices have been working without hal and/or dbus |
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| 23:31.27 | Ace2016 | i tried ps but that just gives me bash and ps |
| 23:31.28 | SPF | Ace2016: ps |
| 23:31.34 | SPF | or ps -A |
| 23:31.37 | Ace2016 | oh |
| 23:31.38 | lunitik | Ace2016: ps aux is most peoples fav |
| 23:32.09 | Ace2016 | i just want the app names, so i can see what apps are started by me running gnome control center in kde |
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| 23:32.29 | Ace2016 | know how to remove everything apart form the app names? |
| 23:32.30 | lunitik | Ace2016: ps -e |
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| 23:32.39 | deadcat | Ace2016: |awk |
| 23:32.41 | lunitik | Ace2016: Pretty minimal |
| 23:33.12 | Ace2016 | deadcat: ps |awk??? |
| 23:33.29 | deadcat | Ace2016: ps aux | awk the parts you want |
| 23:33.38 | Tramp | Ace2016: ps axo comm - are your manpages broken?? |
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| 23:33.40 | Ace2016 | oh no |
| 23:33.58 | deadcat | Ace2016: i like ps -ef |
| 23:34.12 | Ace2016 | i want ps -e output of just the names, and i'll > it into a file, run a command and then > it into a file to see what new processes were started |
| 23:34.25 | Ace2016 | and runn diff to see what new processes were started |
| 23:34.34 | SPF | hmm, I try to mount a network drive using mount, but it's only accessable by root |
| 23:35.02 | SPF | unless an other user can mount it |
| 23:35.10 | lunitik | Ace2016: just ps -e > somefile before and after (diff file...) ... and diff that... same result really... |
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| 23:35.41 | SPF | chown results in permission denied |
| 23:35.51 | deadcat | Ace2016: try ps -ef | cut -c49- |
| 23:35.59 | lunitik | SPF: I bet it likes root better |
| 23:36.08 | deadcat | root beer? |
| 23:36.21 | Ace2016 | oh cool, thats what i wanted |
| 23:36.32 | lunitik | asg: Looks like I just got myself a new project for later is all ;) |
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| 23:36.55 | asg | lunitik: beating people? performance art ... |
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| 23:37.20 | lunitik | Eh... never mind... it just forgot to kill it before starting it... no project :( |
| 23:37.57 | SPF | hmm, was there a linux distro named lunitik ? |
| 23:38.07 | lunitik | Not that I know of |
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| 23:39.43 | SPF | it was called lunatix |
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| 23:40.46 | Ace2016 | thanks guys i finally figured out what was doing the theme thing |
| 23:40.51 | enouf | i like pstree myself |
| 23:41.00 | ribnitz | What kind of cd image is UIF? - is that burnable with linux? |
| 23:41.27 | enouf | i like pstree -lunap actually |
| 23:41.30 | Ace2016 | gnome-settings-daemon needs to be running for gnome apps to look nice |
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| 23:41.45 | Ace2016 | brb |
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| 23:43.32 | SPF | is it possible to mount a network resource as user root and to grant permissions to another user without having to change permissions after the mount? |
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| 23:46.11 | [dive] | hi all. what is the true, debian way to update kernel at debian etch? use backports or take it from lenny? |
| 23:46.45 | asg | [dive]: is the etch kernel insufficient for your needs? |
| 23:47.28 | [dive] | asg: yeah, some problems with ide/sata build-in controller at my notebook |
| 23:47.54 | justifer | I'm trying to find out which fonts package I need to fill in the boxes that replace them, if that makes any sence, I don't even know the propper meaning of this to do a propper search. |
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| 23:48.02 | asg | [dive]: try a backport first |
| 23:48.20 | asg | [dive]: you can always compile your own (/msg dpkg kp) |
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| 23:49.02 | justifer | what's that called when a character/font is not available and is filled with something else? |
| 23:51.02 | [dive] | asg: i sew that kernel in backports it's just a kernel from debian kernel group. i know that i can compile to my own, but i think that it's some patches to kernel from debian team in backports and etch and i think that they know more about kernel that me. |
| 23:51.59 | Ace2016 | Hi all |
| 23:53.05 | Ace2016 | how do i kill one process of many with the same name, say i have lots of wgets running and i want to kill just one |
| 23:53.25 | deadcat | Ace2016: kill pid |
| 23:54.03 | expose | is there a way to set the max scaling frequency so it is configured with every init? |
| 23:54.43 | Ace2016 | in ps aux which is the pid? the second one right? kill told me bash: kill: pid: arguments must be process or job IDs |
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| 23:54.57 | zmitya | hi all |
| 23:55.00 | Ace2016 | hi |
| 23:55.29 | deadcat | Ace2016: ps -ef , the 2nd field |
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| 23:55.40 | zmitya | what can cause that my self compiled kernel does not boot (can't find the root fs) if reiserfs and raid1 compiled into the kernel ? |
| 23:56.03 | [dive] | Ace2016: PID is second, try 'ps aux | grep wget' then 'kill PID' |
| 23:56.04 | zmitya | /dev/md0 has reiser |
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| 23:56.37 | zmitya | I don't have initrd, don't want to use |
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| 23:56.52 | Ace2016 | thanks guys |
| 23:57.17 | Ace2016 | zmitya: why not use initrd? |
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| 23:57.46 | zmitya | I would like to build a monolitic kernel |
| 23:58.05 | Ace2016 | fakeroot make-kpkg --initrd --revision=2016 kernel_image kernel_headers modules_image |
| 23:58.17 | Ace2016 | why a monolithic kernel? |
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| 23:58.29 | Ace2016 | i think they moved away from that for a reason |
| 23:58.41 | zmitya | that is a requirement (from security prospective) in this project |
| 23:58.46 | Ace2016 | but i don't know the reason |
| 23:59.00 | Ace2016 | really? is it to stop modules being loaded? |
| 23:59.12 | zmitya | do you say that is not possible to boot without an initrd ? |
| 23:59.46 | Ace2016 | i would have thought so, because i couldn't boot without a /boot partition when i used xfs and i needed and initrd in ubuntu |
