IRC log for #debian on 20071217

00:00.00jelly-homedvd+rw-mediainfo (from dvd+rw-tools) will show some data about the blank medium in drive
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00:02.06bobfGood evening. I'm trying to change the domain for my debian install but I've completely forgotten what I even set it to so I can't grep for it to find where it's stored. Thanks for any help.
00:02.39mrsnobobf do you mean hostname ? man hostname
00:03.04bobfNo, the domain.
00:03.31mrsnohmm well "domain" is a windows thing really, unless you are using samba or something.
00:03.54dutchfishhostname -d?
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00:03.56kgoetzunless he means 'part two of my fqdn'
00:04.14bobfHmm. Well when I just installed debian on my other box it asked for the domain after my hostname and said make sure all the other computers have the same domain set.
00:04.49jelly-homewhat dutchfish said
00:05.10kgoetzbobf: look at /etc/hostname and /etc/hosts, the tool to change it is what dutchfish said, or `domainname`
00:05.21dutchfishbobf, /etc/resolv.conf -> domain [domain.tld]
00:05.27bobfCool, thanks guys.
00:05.45jelly-homesorry, hostname -d will just show it
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00:06.48jelly-home!hostname
00:06.48dpkguse hostname <hostname> to set the hostname, $EDITOR /etc/hostname to set it for the next boot, and $EDITOR /etc/hosts to set the FQDN, or create /etc/hostname if it doesn't exist, or 'man 1 hostname' , or see /etc/mailname
00:07.48simonrvnnew x
00:08.00bobfCool, it looks like I just misunderstood what the domain signifies so I was making something out of nothing. Thanks again for the help.
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00:09.38dutchfishor was it like echo "x.x.x.x name name.domain.tld ?
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00:09.59dutchfishto /etc/hosts
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00:11.39dutchfishah, both
00:12.57zichoHave anyone tried out SongBird?
00:13.20dutchfishsimonrvn, ?
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00:13.34bobfI can't believe I didn't just look in /etc/hosts on the box I just setup. Networking and sleep deprivation don't mix well. :-(
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00:14.08karmatroniczicho: no, what s that ?
00:14.14pirokobobf: Nor does sleep deprivation and the rm command O_o
00:14.25dutchfishlol
00:15.00bobfPesky computers.
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00:15.02zichokarmatronic: Its some kind of webrowser/music player suite. Semms kinda nice, im giving it a try. Its based on the mozilla browser.
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00:17.37yigalHas anyone been succesful binding hotkeys, if you are using a minimal X setup, e.g. ratpoison, wmii, dwm, ion etc., fn+[F1-F12] and if so what application(s) did you use?
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00:18.10yigalI am interested in doing this for a laptop
00:18.37pirokoyigal: I run dwm, and you can configure shortcuts in the config.h file
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00:25.26yigalpiroko: not the problem, the problem is that hotkeys is partly a bios issue and xev doesn't know what key 'fn' is
00:25.38pirokoyigal: Ohh. You on a thinkpad or something?
00:25.49pirokoWell I guess it wouldn't matter really
00:25.55yigalpiroko: it an hp
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00:26.07yigalpiroko: not as nice, not as much support :)
00:26.55yigalpiroko: are you using hotkeys on your computer?
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00:27.10pirokoyigal: My hotkeys get processed by acpi, but yes
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00:27.17pirokoyigal: They don't send xevents
00:27.56yigalpiroko: so maybe I will have to massage a dsdt file?
00:28.44pirokoyigal: That could work
00:30.08yigalpiroko: the thing is on GNOME - which I refuse to use - hotkeys work, so that tells me something - is that HAL working or something?
00:31.34pirokoyigal: Hmm... I'm not too keen on gnome unfortunately
00:31.48pirokoyigal: Could be a daemon like a power manager or something gnome is launching
00:31.51abrotmanthere is lineakd
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00:32.06pirokoyigal: gnome-power-manager maybe?
00:32.23yigalabrotman: I heard about how one could manually use that - do you know of success?
00:32.46yigalpiroko: I don't use gnome, its really too much for me and fails where dwm shines
00:32.47abrotmani've never used it .. i have a special program for my laptop buttons
00:32.55abrotman!info tpb etch
00:33.06dpkgtpb: (program to use the IBM ThinkPad(tm) special keys), section utils, is extra. Version: 0.6.4-2.2 (etch), Packaged size: 54 kB, Installed size: 252 kB
00:33.07abrotmanor not
00:33.08abrotmanoh
00:33.14pirokoHaha
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00:33.21pirokoYou woke dpkg up :P
00:34.00yigaldpkg has interesting info - not particularly relevant in this case but amusing nonetheless
00:34.20pirokoIt processes function keys
00:35.02yigalpiroko: yes, I understand, however does it work in general and should I invest hours trying to make it work that is I guess my question now
00:36.24pirokoabrotman?
00:36.27abrotmanyes
00:36.34maddash__borat man
00:36.41maddash__wtf is with the tail??
00:36.45pirokoI'm not sure about what yigal is asking. Your opinion?
00:36.47abrotmanyour internet sucks
00:36.59abrotmanonly lineakd .. depends what you want the fn keys to do
00:37.20pirokoLol. The longer your tail, the more your internet sucks
00:37.42maddash__who the hell is gunning for me?
00:38.43Nyleabort man
00:38.43yigalpiroko: good luck
00:38.51piroko? Good luck with what?
00:38.51Nylerahul: ping
00:39.29maddash_________sweet.
00:39.41Nylemaddash_________: you feelin alright?
00:39.46cyberfr0gsup?
00:40.00maddash_________Nyle: no. someone stole my meds.
00:40.31pirokoThat was just discussed yesterday
00:40.37Nylejelly-home: /help ignore and I beleive its -regexp
00:40.42real0nei want to install flashpluginf
00:40.48Deviinei get ___ a fair bit.
00:41.02Nylejelly-home: unless you are not on irssi
00:41.19maddash_________in Unix, EVERYTHING is a file
00:41.40jelly-homexchat.  I just added a (hopefully globbing) * in the nick part
00:41.41h3sp4wnmaddash_________: what about sockets ?
00:41.49cyberfr0gconfidential
00:41.58maddash_________EVERYTHING..
00:42.11h3sp4wnsockets blatently aren't
00:42.25abrotmanno .. really .. everything is a file :)
00:42.33abrotmanpay attention here ...
00:42.41abrotmani *agree* with maddash_________  .. everything is a file :)
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00:43.07h3sp4wnmaybe in plan9 but not in Debian
00:43.09maddash_________abrotman: can't outrun my tale
00:43.16maddash_________tail*
00:43.19maddash_________stupid me
00:43.20yigalabrotman: I will use lineakd.  the wors't thing that can happen is that I spend a few months getting it to work
00:43.21abrotmanh3sp4wn: in unix .. everything is a file
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00:43.45dtohello folks. i'm on debian lenny. apt-get install no-ip doesn't work---it says there's no installation candidate. what's the proper way to install it? from source?
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00:44.46mrsnodto no-ip doesn't seem to be in lenny at the moment
00:45.08maddash_________unix: that's the beauty of h3sp4wn
00:45.25abrotmandto: /msg dpkg simple sid backport
00:45.34dtoabrotman: thank you
00:45.42mrsnohttp://packages.qa.debian.org/n/no-ip.html
00:45.48zichowhat do i need to install to make totem play vorbis audio?
00:45.58abrotmanlibvorbis probably
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00:46.38sjensenWhere might I look regarding changing the standard colours of my console? By that, I mean like the blue bar in irssi. (No X or similar, pure cl)
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00:47.14zichoabrotman: ty
00:47.30sjensenI don't need a final answer, just what to look up on
00:48.00abrotmansjensen: for irssi it's a theme
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00:48.18h3sp4wnabrotman: You cannot use the normal file operations on a socket so its not a file (by any sane definition of such)
00:48.36abrotmanit's still a file
00:48.47sjensenabrotman: Oh, right. What about in an app like lynx? There I see the same standard blue colour for many things. Is my question even a valid one?
00:48.51yigalsjensen: .Xdefaults?
00:49.25sjensenyigal: That sounds an awful lot like something in X. I don't have the file, anyway.
00:49.26abrotmansjensen: there is a lynx.cfg
00:49.36yigalsjensen: ah, you are using tty
00:49.47h3sp4wnabrotman: what about ioctls ?
00:49.56sjensenyigal: Ah yes, tty was the word. Thanks.
00:50.14sjensenabrotman: Aha so it's not some systemwide default. Fair deal, thanks for the help.
00:50.16abrotmanh3sp4wn: you can keep arguing .. won't make it true :)
00:50.29h3sp4wnabrotman: I know it to be true
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00:50.37abrotmanh3sp4wn: nope :)
00:51.20h3sp4wnabrotman: I am 100% certain - by the definitions of the people who wrote UNIX in the first place
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00:52.21abrotmanh3sp4wn: okay .. you win .. i don't care enough :)
00:55.48abrotmanh3sp4wn: good job .. we killed the channel!
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01:00.17mrechi, I'd like to build a debian package out of a sourcemodule. there are many tutorials out there which is a bit confusing.
01:00.27mrecI'm using dpkg-deb --build for creating the debian package
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01:00.44mrecseems like the sourcepackage has a broken configure file --prefix doesn't seem to work
01:00.57mrecis there any other way to jail the installation somewhere?
01:01.24kgoetzmrec: i suggest trying #debian-mentors on oftc.
01:01.26sjensenIs there any way I might set up a system that allows me to put my HDD to sleep more often? I'm having some noice issues. Maybe I could use an usb flash if no other way?
01:01.45kgoetzmrec: dpkg-buildpackage is what i use (inn answer to your question)
01:02.26mreckgoetz: ok I'll have a look at it
01:02.29mrecthanks
01:03.05kgoetznp
01:05.32Pryonsjensen:  if your hdd is making enough noise to bother you it might be a good idea to replace it.
01:05.53PryonStarting and stopping it will probably exacerbate whatever is making the noise
01:06.20sjensenPryon: I am just very sensitive, it sounds just like it should.
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01:08.30elfz!paste
01:08.30dpkgDo not paste more than 3 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://channels.debian.net/paste/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics.
01:09.40elfzhelp-me: http://paste.debian.net/45041
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01:11.02elfzhelp-me: http://paste.debian.net/45041
01:11.51kgoetzelfz: dont spam
01:12.03kgoetzelfz: and if you want help, aska  question, then reference pastebin with more details
01:12.20Traveler2Hello, Debian testing is stable enough for most people ?
01:12.40kgoetzmost of the time
01:13.10kgoetzthat said, i havent run testing since etch was it *heh*
01:14.40abrotmanTraveler2: depends on how you define "stable"
01:15.35Traveler2abrotman stable to me means runs without breaking unlike sid
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01:15.59abrotmantesting still breaks sometimes ...
01:16.09dondelelcarothere's nothing magical about testing that keeps it from breaking
01:16.09abrotmanlike testing hasn't had an installable vlc in months
01:16.17Traveler2abrotman oh, I didn't know that
01:16.44abrotmanit's mostly okay, but stuff still breaks
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01:18.17Traveler2abrotman I think I use Totem anyway and not VLC
01:18.24abrotmanit was just an example
01:18.27abrotmani'm sure there are others
01:18.39Traveler2abrotman : I see
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01:18.58dryrothow do i run apt-proxy on multiple interfaces, on the same machine ?
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01:19.20abrotmanTraveler2: if you really need your stuff to not break, testing isn't for you .. if you can deal with stuff breaking from time to time .. you might live
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01:21.11ginopeople i need some help with the kernel compilation
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01:21.50ginoi make the make-kpgk and now i have a deb with 205mg , that huge
01:22.08Traveler2abrotman I'll wait untill Lenny becomes Frozen and for now I'll continue to use Etch
01:22.13abrotmanTraveler2: okay
01:23.40ginoi make the make-kpgk and now i have a deb with 205mg , that huge
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01:23.53abrotmanwhich commands did you use?
01:24.46ginomake-kpkg --initrd kernel_image kernel_headers
01:25.07abrotmanand you only got one .deb?
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01:26.19gino2 : linux-headers-2.6.23.9_2.6.23.9-10.00.Custom_i386.deb,
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01:26.40ginothe second is the pkg of 205mg
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01:28.06abrotmangino: ls -l ..
01:28.08abrotman!paste
01:28.08dpkgDo not paste more than 3 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://channels.debian.net/paste/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics.
01:29.15gino<PROTECTED>
01:29.16ginototal 260776
01:29.16ginodrwxrwxr-x 21 root root      4096 2007-12-16 21:57 linux-2.6.23.9
01:29.16gino-rw-r--r--  1 root src   45476434 2007-12-16 20:30 linux-2.6.23.9.tar.bz2
01:29.16ginodrwxr-xr-x 19 root root      4096 2007-10-15 20:22 linux-headers-2.6.22-14
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01:29.52kgoetz*eye roll*
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01:30.10ginoups
01:30.13ginosorry
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01:30.53gino-rw-r--r--  1 root src    8800922 2007-12-16 21:57 linux-headers-2.6.23.9_2.6.23.9-10.00.Custom_i386.deb
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01:31.02tripphey there. i just looked in my /usr/src/linux-2.6.24-rc5/include/ and what i see?... there is no asm-i386 directory?! Anyone can tell me where it has gone? It is just decompressed fresh downloaded.
01:31.14kgoetzgino: get teh fuckin hint. dont paste here
01:31.16abrotmantripp: ask #kernel
01:31.23hoodlum_yeah
01:31.24trippthanks abrotman
01:31.25hoodlum_no paste
01:31.30abrotmangino: have you tried more than once?
01:31.36ginoyes
01:31.40ginothat the third
01:31.49abrotmangino: did you give it strange options?
01:32.01ginonop low latency nothing more
01:32.08abrotmanwhat if you compile it like normal?
01:32.34ginomake and make modules install?
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01:34.07abrotmangino: yes
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01:34.49ginothanx
01:34.57ginoi go to trie
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01:36.28ginoabortman: i got to use make mrpropper now to clean the folder?
01:36.51abrotmanprobably
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01:43.30bzedgino: could you run dpkg-deb -c linux-image-2.6.23.9_2.6.23.9-10.00.Custom_i386.deb and put the output into a pastebin
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01:53.41DustyBinwhat is the difference between a VPN and a VLAN ?
01:54.10hoodlum_virtual private network
01:54.14hoodlum_virtual lan
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01:54.25DustyBinhoodlum_: the same thing?
01:54.30hoodlum_nope
01:54.46hoodlum_two completely different concepts :P
01:54.50spqvpn is a "tunneled patch cable"
01:54.53DustyBinwhat is a VLAN ?
01:54.59DustyBinok
01:55.03hoodlum_its pretty much what it says
01:55.04spqvlan is a separation of two different lans
01:55.05hoodlum_a virtual lan
01:55.06pipelineDustyBin: VLANs turn your LAN into a party line: each frame gets tagged so that you know which VLAN it goes on, so that the NICs and switches can split out the traffic.
01:55.08hoodlum_yup
01:55.39DustyBini see
01:55.48hoodlum_very handy
01:56.00DustyBinso VLANS are usually used on balancing cluster servers?
01:56.02hoodlum_for restricting group access to such things they arent meant to see
01:56.19hoodlum_and makes easier for administration
01:56.22hoodlum_not necessarily
01:56.51pipelineoften VLANs are stripped off at the switch so that individual nodes can't see any traffic but that on a single VLAN
01:57.04pipelineVLANs are used for all sorts of things :P
01:57.09DustyBinif i wanted to create a VLAN on debian are there any packages to help you create one?
01:57.23pipelineno.  You use ifconfig.
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01:57.27DustyBinok
01:57.29hoodlum_vlans are usually restricted to routing equipment
01:57.31hoodlum_like switches etc
01:57.35hoodlum_routers
01:57.38hoodlum_wait
01:57.40hoodlum_mainly switches is my guess
01:57.46DustyBinand this:
01:57.47pipelineDustyBin: Every other device on the segment will require VLAN support, you know.
01:57.48DustyBinhttp://linitx.com/viewproduct.php?prodid=11872
01:57.53pipelineDustyBin: Your switch will need 802.1q support.
01:57.55abrotmanhoodlum_: your enter key needs some downers
01:58.05hoodlum_abrotman: eh?
01:58.17DustyBinok
01:58.58spqsome older switches call it vlan if you can split the switch ports into separated "switches"
01:58.58hoodlum_abrotman: if anything i need some uppers, im at work ffs
01:59.08abrotmanstop hitting enter! :)
02:01.17enouf<enter> :-p
02:01.45Claudio32mi have 2 debian systems, each one has the same smb.conf file and i see both systems fine from vista.. but i can't write to one and i can write to the other, what should I be checking?
02:02.32spqbetter ask in #samba
02:02.37Claudio32msays "you need permissions to do this action"
02:02.41enoufyour Blisters
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02:09.09abrotmanfreshmeat.net .. have fun
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02:23.42abrotman!qotd0
02:23.42dpkgwell, qotd5 is <antgel__>wols_: that was my question. i have established that the best method could be to open the disc and use a small magnet to get all the 1s and 0s in the right places
02:24.20minus198is it possible to reload the /etc/hosts file, so that my domain name is reloaded?
02:24.56abrotmanyou shouldn't have to
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02:26.30minus198abrotman, ok..
02:27.37danyhello minus198
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02:28.24minus198Hi.. Do I know you? Or why did you randomly just say "hello" ? XD
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02:30.34Penixhe's right behind you
02:30.51minus198Penix, Nope, just checked ;)
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02:31.24minus198Ehm.. Weird.
02:31.42minus198If I SSH to my domain name, I'm sent to my workstation instead of my server.
02:31.51minus198Does anyone know how to fix this?
02:31.58danyyes
02:32.17danyyeah
02:32.31\amethystlen=${#array[@]}; for ((i=0; 2*i<len; i++)); do t=${array[i]}; array[i]=${array[len-1-i]}; array[len-1-i]=$t; done
02:32.35minus198Please tell me how to do it then  :P
02:32.37\amethystdoh
02:32.56danyits easy
02:32.58abrotman\amethyst: i have your password!
02:33.25minus198dany, Well.. Tell me then :)
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02:34.50danyin that could help you
02:35.10abrotmanminus198: nslookup domain.com
02:35.15abrotmanor host
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02:36.51minus198abrotman, how will that help me?
02:37.08minus198It just shows the IP.
02:37.13abrotmanwhich IP?
02:37.23minus198My external IP
02:37.29abrotmanthe correct or wrong?
02:37.46minus198The right one
02:38.03danymmm
02:38.08minus198internet -> My router -> my ws and server.
02:38.26minus198Server IP: 192.168.0.254 WS IP: 192.168.0.100
02:39.12abrotmanbut ssh grabs the wrong one?
02:39.28danyyou can ad me
02:39.38abrotmandany: do you need help?
02:39.43danyin a messenger
02:39.44abrotman!es
02:39.45dpkgHispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda.  Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
02:39.46minus198Well.. it grabs my external IP and sends me to the workstation.
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02:40.35H2OyJaBoNhi
02:40.44danyhi
02:41.44H2OyJaBoNi have this problem when i try to mount my digital camera http://pastebin.com/d5dbe7342
02:41.56danymy e mail is danylara2007@hotmail.com  if you want to add me
02:42.04abrotmandany: stop
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02:42.23abrotmanminus198: is your router set correctly ?
02:42.35minus198abrotman, http://pastebin.com/d3ea56058
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02:43.07abrotmanargh .. pastebin.com
02:43.09minus198abrotman, Well.. I have forwarded port 22 to both my server, and my workstation.
02:43.21abrotmanyou can't do that
02:43.22minus198abrotman, Doesn't it work for you?
02:43.51abrotmanminus198: do you know which key is which ?
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02:44.54H2OyJaBoNany idea?
02:45.17minus198abrotman, Why cant I?
02:45.46minus198do you mean that I should change the port on one of them so that port 23 represents my WS while 22 represents my server?
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02:45.53abrotmanminus198: yes
02:46.07abrotmanexternally .. different ports .. internally they can be the same
02:46.28minus198abrotman, ok
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02:51.49L4m3rokay, I'm using a laptop with a mobility Radeon X1300. Currently I've got Etch and fglrx. Is there another driver I should be using?
02:52.07dryrotwhy does using apt-proxy hang at "Waiting for headers" for me?
02:52.53abrotmanL4m3r: i'd guess that's it
02:52.54L4m3rfor some reason fglrx doesn't want to do hardware rendering :\
02:53.01EclipserL4m3r, not if you want 3d acceleration
02:53.02abrotmandryrot: it has to download them from the remote
02:53.09abrotmanEclipser: it doesn't?
02:53.33Eclipserabrotman, I meant that there isn't another driver that would offer 3d acceleration... afaik :)
02:53.56L4m3rwell, at present, flgrx isn't offering 3d accel either :P
02:54.01L4m3rglx runs at ~1fps
02:54.07L4m3rer, glxgears*
02:54.12dryrotis truecrypt in the repos?  i can't find it
02:54.23keith4_nope
02:54.27EclipserL4m3r, there is a reason I dumped ati a couple of years ago :)
02:54.44L4m3rEclipser: this is my first ATi-based system. yeah, big mistake.
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02:54.55L4m3rwhen I bought this, I had no idea it'd be such a PITA :(
02:55.29keith4_are you sure you're actually using fglrx?
02:55.29abrotmandryrot: no
02:55.30Eclipsertoo bad most laptops come with ati nowadays
02:55.42abrotmanwell ... the expensive ones do
02:55.43Eclipseranyway, I'll try if I could get some sleep
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02:56.14abrotmanor you buy an expensive one that you specifically look for intel or something on
02:56.22L4m3rkeith4_ not entirely
02:56.28L4m3rit's in xorg.conf
02:56.37L4m3ris there a command I can use to check it?
02:57.32fearlL4m3r: ATI offers there own glxgears application... should be better with that... the drivers for ATI are getting much better, AMD are going to release them to the FOSS world here soon...
02:57.50fearlL4m3r: Infact, I think the first incarnations are in the current Xorg in Sid...
02:58.02L4m3rthey might be
02:58.18L4m3rwill my system bork itself if I upgrade to sid? :P
02:58.26L4m3rit did last time
02:59.00fearlL4m3r: Sid is a mess... I just upgraded to testing, and do safe-upgrades from Sid  :D
02:59.11fearlL4m3r: Currently, Xorg 7.3 is broken though...
02:59.21L4m3ryeah, see, that's why I asked :P
02:59.35L4m3rI'd be content with fixing fglrx for now
02:59.53fearlL4m3r: What is wrong?
03:00.00abrotmanfearl: FSVO soon
03:00.03L4m3rno hardware accel
03:00.11fearlabrotman: ?
03:00.11L4m3rnot in glxgears, or bzflag
03:00.17gobbles2ping
03:00.23fearlgobbles2: pong
03:00.25abrotmanfearl: afaik .. it's one family .. and incomplete
03:00.56gobbles2fearl: thanks.  Ohh!!  I bet cisco.com blocks pings, and that's why it was failing
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03:01.39fearlL4m3r: You're talking about the new ATI drivers? I've heard them called something else... there are a lot of patents that AMD don't control though within the ATI drivers, so they'll likely be horribly broken...
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03:06.31keith4_yah, it happens
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03:06.31TheViral_what's up with that
03:06.31cyberfr0gfun
03:06.31L4m3rnetsplit, wee
03:06.31abrotman!netsplit
03:06.31dpkgi guess netsplit is A deliberate disconnection between (at least) two servers on one IRC network. Usually occurs when the output-queue for the link has filled up too much to make a timely (re)sync likely, so it's preferred to maintain sanity (and lag-freeness) for both parts of the network. Occurs anywhere where links between IRC-servers have too little bandwidth (available/allocated).
03:06.31keith4_L4m3r, check xorg's log
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03:06.34lunitikL4m3r: What exactly have you done so far to get FGLRX working? both the Xorg and Kernel packages? You're loading the module at boot? You've edited xorg.conf?
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03:06.36L4m3rhm...  DRI initialization failed
03:06.37lunitikL4m3r: Also, use flx_glxgears or whatever instead...
03:07.05lunitikL4m3r: That means the kernel module isn't loaded, generally...
03:07.34lunitikL4m3r: Just modprobe the ati module, and if it works, throw it into /etc/modules
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03:07.52L4m3roh my
03:08.01L4m3rit appears that I forgot to rebuild the module
03:08.22lunitikL4m3r: The kernel stuff is _required_ to get any kind of 3D features...
03:08.27L4m3ryeah
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03:09.08L4m3rbetween fglrx and ipw3945, it's easy to forget to redo the module
03:09.50lunitikL4m3r: heh... it'd be nice if they'd provide the modules in binary form... so they'd just upgrade usually with the kernel... have to actually run module-assistant though...
03:09.58L4m3ryeah
03:10.18L4m3rusing module assistant isn't that bad, though. you just have to remember.
03:10.37lunitikgspca for instance... you just install the module and it works...
03:10.47L4m3rI should write a script to do it for me and simplify it that much more... hm...
03:10.56lunitikL4m3r: Yeah, one of the nicest little tools to come along for a while...
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03:14.41minus198abrotman, Ow, sorry. I forgot to thank you for your help! :D
03:14.50abrotmanenjoy!
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03:34.14rodpodwho's the genius that decided to enable ipv6 on the standard kernels? most people dont need it, and it causes problems with a few packages
03:34.26Yanomamihi
03:34.28Zok|can someone help me with x libraries problem at compiling ? :S
03:34.40abrotman!ask
03:34.40dpkgIf you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org
03:34.44stewrodpod: what is a problem you are having with ipv6?
03:35.16stewrodpod: its been enabled for years in the default debian kernel and we hear of very few actual problems caused by it
03:35.24Yanomamihow can i WPA Personal  TKIP wireless network
03:35.34Zok|I can't compile :/ .. I got error message: Can't find X libraries .. Anyone who can help me with that ?
03:35.58rodpodglftpd
03:36.20abrotmantarzeau: http://www.asymptopia.org/index.php?topic=TuxMathScrabble
03:36.33stewrodpod: you'd have to describe your problem in more detail if you want us to be able to help
03:37.00rodpodglftpd was binding to the inet6 address and when people would connect it thought every clients ip was 0.0.0.0
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03:37.39rodpodi searched the net, and alot of people were complaining about performance hits because ove ipv6, and the hassles of disabling it through modules.d/aliases
03:37.47rodpodove/of
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03:38.09mostyrodpod, it's a one-line change to disable. that's not what i call a hassle
03:38.10\amethystZok|:  what are you trying to compile?  Do you have the X development libraries?
03:38.22stewrodpod: if glftpd has a problem running with a default debian kernel, it should tell you how to deal with it in /usr/share/doc/packagename/README.Debian
03:38.42rodpodmosty: yeah, i know, but there were alot of people who were unclear on the proper way to disable
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03:39.06stewrodpod: /msg dpkg blacklist
03:39.06mostyrodpod, that sounds like a bug in glftp, not the kernel
03:39.17rodpodit is a bug in glftpd
03:39.25rodpodbut...most people dont need ipv6
03:39.32ArtVandalaeHi guys, what do I need to look into, if I want to create my own Debian spins (builds)? I want to create a custom package base for a rollout I'm doing
03:39.33abrotmanway to place the blame :)
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03:39.38rodpod:P
03:39.43abrotmanArtVandalae: /msg dpkg mg
03:39.45mostyrodpod, most people don't need gltfpd either
03:40.10Zok|\amethyst, at everything I try to compile I got that error .. I dunno about X development libraries.. I installed that build-essential, but still got some errors
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03:40.51Zok|the whole problem is that I don't have internet at that computer :/
03:41.19ArtVandalaeabrotman: thanks, but that seems to be for creating individual packages. I'm more looking to use the packages already available in Debian, but just create a customer installer.
03:41.20trippphey there. i thought dpkg -l would show me all packages which are installed. well i was wrong so, which command i have to use to see which packages are installed? thanks :)
03:41.22rodpodi like the features of server to server transfers and built in acct'ing and allowing access by ip and ident so easily
03:41.30maddash_________Zok|: you could try to find the same package in the apt repository, and `apt-get builddeps [pkg]'
03:41.35abrotmanArtVandalae: oh .. you want to make your own netinst ?
03:41.42ArtVandalaeabrotman: yes, exactly
03:41.46\amethystZok|:  Are these packages that aren't available in debian?
03:41.51maddash_________Zok|: otherwise, look inside the "configure" script
03:41.51abrotman!tell ArtVandalae about custom netinst
03:43.18rodpodanyways, after disabling the ipv6, my server transfers were maxing out my 10mbit cable connection, and it was also alot more responsive connecting to several different daemons
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03:43.20stewtrippp: aptitude search '~i'
03:43.27tripppthank you
03:43.37rodpodi suspect dns resolving takes a hit with the ipv6
03:44.02abrotmantrippp: dpkg -l should show that
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03:44.11stewrodpod: why?
03:44.32rodpodwhy do i suspect?
03:44.37stewyes
03:44.46tripppabrotman well i expected that but i deinstall packages and they are again shown there.
03:45.12rodpodjust from the things i noticed after disabling, the timeouts you become accustomed to
03:45.26abrotmantrippp: dpkg -l | egrep "^ii"
03:46.25rodpodnothing more than a few seconds difference...but im sure i could reproduce the unresponsiveness
03:46.26stewrodpod: why specifically dns?
03:46.46jellotrippp: dpkg --get-selections
03:47.26rodpodlike connecting to ssh is faster, connecting to proftpd and glftpd, using apt, and pinging a hostname would respond alot quicker
03:47.50rodpodmade me believe dns resolving was taking a hit because of ipv6
03:48.06stewhow much longer does it take to ping with ipv6 enabled?
03:48.25rodpodok i type ping google.com
03:48.40rodpodwith ipv6 it would take a second or two then ping with a good latency
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03:48.54rodpodwith it disabled almost instantly it would ping with good latency
03:49.49stewrodpod: i've certainly never seen anything like that.  if having ipv6 enabled made dns resolution take an entire second longer, it would have been fixed a long long time ago
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03:50.52rodpodmaybe it was divine intervention :\
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03:51.42stewrodpod: if you run "time host google.com", what is returned for "real" when you have ipv6 enabled?
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03:55.22rodpodstew, i will try tommorrow, the box is colocated and i do not want to mess around with it right now since i have to reboot to enable/disable ipv6
03:56.01stewrodpod: why do you have to reboot to enable ipv6?
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03:56.31rodpodbecause ssh connections were binded to my inet6 address
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03:56.55rodpodand every topic i seen about it said you had to reboot
03:57.22stewrodpod: so if ipv6 is enabled now, then how long does it report for 'real' when you run "time host google.com"?
03:57.37rodpodipv6 is disabled and everything is working fine
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03:58.46rodpodi did the alias net-pf-10 off and blacklist ipv6
03:59.11rodpodno more ipv6 over ipv4 tunneling drive message in dmesg
03:59.24stewrodpod: so are you actually here for help? or are you just here to complain that the default kernel cause problems for your buggy, non-free ftp server?
03:59.25rodpodand no inet6 address in ifconfig and netstat
03:59.53rodpodi was just here to ask and maybe complain about ipv6 being enabled by default....
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04:00.11jellorodpod: that's a feature, not a bug
04:00.57stewrodpod: since there is no good reason not to enable it by default, that isn't going to change
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04:01.09rodpodbug..feature..whatever...im better off without it, and i didnt need it in the first place and neither does 90% other people who use debian
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04:01.39rodpodi didnt wanna rub you people the wrong way
04:02.04_keapt-file search /etc/init.d/bind says, that this file is owned by bind, but apt-get remove bind says "Package bind is not installed, so not removed". whats wrong?
04:02.05rodpodjust was asking why, and stating my observations
04:02.07stewrodpod: it doens't cause a problem for more than 99% of the people.
04:02.29stewrodpod: and for those that have a problem it gets fixed, or they can blacklist it
04:02.39jello_ke: bind9
04:03.05rodpodwell doesnt it make sense to make ipv6 as opt-in rather than a generic opt-out
04:03.13jello_ke: or, you removed it without purging...
04:03.32stewrodpod: no
04:03.53rodpodcool
04:03.55_kejello, apt-get purge bind then?
04:04.11jello_ke: no
04:04.49jelloi don't think you can purge something that isn't installed...
04:05.33rodpodjello: i think you mean "something that has never been uninstalled aka removed via apt"
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04:06.07jellorodpod: no, i meant what i said
04:06.19rodpodapt-get remove bind && dpkg --purge bind && apt-get install bind9
04:06.22rodpod"\
04:06.23jelloif you install and then remove
04:06.31stewyou can purge a not installed package with dpkg or aptitude but not apt-get
04:06.34jelloi don't think you can purge afterwards
04:06.58jellostew: exactly
04:07.07abrotmanjello: you can with dpkg
04:07.14stewor aptitude
04:07.26abrotmani've never tried with aptitude
04:07.47rodpodstew: i love you man
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04:08.11_keif i want to run apache, ssh and postfix on the same server, do i need a firewall for that?
04:08.24_kejello, thanks
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04:16.34jdrake_I have been trying  to install debian4 on a virtual machine (virtualbox) and it seems to have stopped with 'unpacking whiptail' on tty #4, the setup (tty #1) says 'Validating packages...' @ 3%, which has been true for about 30 to 40 minutes. It hasn't changes anything in about 13 minutes.
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04:17.15rodpodstew: do you know much about bind9 and transferring zones to another server without setting up the zone directives and zone files, just configuring it to accept any zone and zone files from a certain host
04:18.35rodpodi have like 60 domains and on my primary its all setup, but i dont want to set my secondaries up, maybe just add a line to allow it to replicate
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04:19.38stewrodpod: i don't know of a way
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04:20.50keith4_wow, this is a new one... "Dynamic MMap ran out of room" http://pastebin.ca/819737
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04:22.11kgoetz!Dynamic MMap ran out of room"
04:22.18kgoetzhm. i'm sure theres a fact for it
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04:22.29kgoetz!Dynamic MMap
04:22.29dpkgGetting "E: Dynamic MMap ran out of room" when using apt-get? Put the following line into your /etc/apt/apt.conf: 'APT::Cache-Limit 12582912;' . If you still get the same error, increase the value. If that file doesn't exist, add it, or put that line in a file in /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/  You can also possibly get rid of this error by deleting entries from your sources.list that you don't actually need.
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04:22.57keith4_oh wow
04:22.58keith4_ok
04:23.40keith4_still does it
04:23.45keith4_is that... bytes?
04:23.45SantaHatesRetardin firestarter how do i add a policy to allow connections from hosts 192.168.0.2-192.168.0.255? I think its called a Group Policy.
04:23.53kgoetzkeith4_: so double it ;)
04:24.15keith4_doubling
04:24.37keith4_yay!
04:24.43kgoetzkeith4_: mine is APT::Cache-Limit 67108864;
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04:24.57kgoetz(64mb)
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04:25.41keith4_i rounded up...
04:25.52keith4_to 20000000
04:26.25keith4_oh man, it is bytes
04:26.28kgoetzwimpy :p
04:26.35kgoetzhehe
04:26.50maddash_________free
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04:39.28maddash_________haha, I just torrented a copy of Fedora!
04:40.15rodneykkalong with your torrent of Menudo's Greatest Hits
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04:41.59lunitikmaddash_________: nuh uh? <gasp>
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04:42.23HolyAvengerHello, anyone online?
04:42.33lunitikHolyAvenger: Nope.
04:42.37HolyAvengerHaha
04:42.38HolyAvengercool
04:42.54HolyAvengerI'll just scream my problem, hoping a divine entity listens to me =O
04:43.02kgoetz!tell HolyAvenger about ask
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04:43.22maddash_________nooooo, the copyright goons have caught up to me!
04:43.26kgoetz:S
04:43.39lunitikmaddash_________: Lay off the crack d00d
04:43.51HolyAvengerI'm running Debian etch (quite awesome, I might add) but recently  I have some issues which, I believe, are related to GNOME (or X). I installed x window and Xfce. Everything was working perfectly fine, then I uninstalled xfce and installed Gnome and now most windows won't load, the default internet explorer wont open and many other windows do not work at all (they just wont open)
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04:44.10WingThere any easy way to reload the environment variables from /etc/environment without restarting the system? I made a fscking typo in one of them and don't want to bring down the server.
04:44.22maddash_________HolyAvenger: 'default internet explorer'?
04:44.34SantaHatesRetardin firestarter how do i add a policy to allow connections from hosts 192.168.0.2-192.168.0.255? I think its called a Group Policy.
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04:44.47HolyAvengerepiphany
04:45.05jelloWing: logoff/on
04:45.10stewHolyAvenger: can you start a terminal window?
04:45.22lunitikHolyAvenger: Try running things from a terminal... see if any errors are displayed...
04:45.24stewWing: "source /etc/environment"
04:45.26HolyAvengeryes, most of what I do, I do it via PuTty on ssh
04:45.35lunitikuhh... assuming stew's question is answered 'yes'
04:45.44stewHolyAvenger: what happens if you type "epiphany" in a terminal?
04:45.52stewHolyAvenger: do you get an error?
04:46.00Wingstew: Thanks.
04:46.05HolyAvenger(later, I installed firefox hoping it would work, it did so I didn't pay much attention, but now I'm trying to use XMMS and it won't load... which happens with many windows)
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04:47.01HolyAvengerStew: It just stays like hung... No responde
04:47.05HolyAvengerI can provide a pic, if you want.
04:47.14stewa pic of a window that doesn't open?
04:47.23HolyAvengerhaha, of my terminal =p
04:47.25stewi can send you an audio file of one hand clapping
04:47.50HolyAvengerHaha, I'm so quoting that, btw.
04:47.51kgoetzKamping_Kaiser: ^^
04:48.51HolyAvengerI must add that xfce WAS working fine, maybe I messed up when I removed it for gnome?
04:48.57HolyAvengerI used apt-get install gnome
04:49.36stewHolyAvenger: so in the terminal where you type "epiphany" there is no output?  is it the same for xmms?  what about if you type "xterm" or "xeyes"?  do those work?
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04:49.57kingsleykino and kenlive crashed. Does a good video editing package exist? If so, what's its name?
04:50.40HolyAvengerxeyes WORKED
04:50.45jellokingsley: see the article on lwn.net
04:51.12erpokingsley: Kino crashed a lot on me too. If you restart it, it should be in roughly the same state it was before it crashed.
04:51.35erpokingsley: But no. There is nothing Premiere quality for Linux, especially in the codec support or ease of use arena.
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04:53.06HolyAvengerstew: http://190.172.88.63/Dibujo.JPG
04:53.46maddash_________cool, funky.
04:53.54Nylelunitik: creepy/
04:53.55Nyle?
04:54.00stewthat's quite odd
04:54.22HolyAvengerYep
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04:54.29HolyAvengerand I hope you understand, by watching my FTP link, that I can'tjust delete everything and start all over. =/
04:54.40hatterwhich file tells the system the default desktop environment ?
04:54.47HolyAvenger*folder, not link
04:55.37jellohatter: it's managed using update-alternatives
04:55.59hatterupdate-alternatives is an executable ?
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04:56.22HolyAvengerAny ideas about this issue? Maybe "reinstalling" gnome (with some other parameters)
04:56.37maddash_________HolyAvenger: how about some other wm?
04:56.44kingsleyjello: Are you thinking of the 2005 article on lwn.net about kino?
04:56.45HolyAvengerlike xfce?
04:57.07maddash_________HolyAvenger: see if your windows "work" in something else. eliminate possibilities. etc.
04:57.11jellokingsley: no the one this past week
04:57.12hatterHolyAvenger, which is why i am asking... i want to change to xfce4
04:57.18stewHolyAvenger: can you run "strace -f -o /tmp/epiphany.strace epiphany" then wait 30 seconds or so, hit ctrl-c, then upload /tmp/epiphany.strace to http://pastebin.ca/upload.php ?
04:57.25hatterjello, thx
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04:59.44HolyAvengerOh, the text editor won't open either
04:59.58HolyAvenger"opening text editor"... wait... and then closes
05:03.26streuner!nickometer maddash_________
05:03.28dpkg'maddash_________' is 99.9861% lame, streuner
05:03.36kingsleyjello: Are you thinking of "Report: free codecs for online video"?
05:03.39kgoetzlol
05:03.41Nylelol
05:03.44HolyAvengerSTEW: http://190.172.88.63/epiphany.strace
05:03.47jellokingsley: no
05:03.57hattercan I have both xfce4 and gnome running in different X displays ?
05:04.10maddash_________!nickometer streuner
05:04.11kgoetzstreuner: does dpkg actually calculate values?
05:04.12dpkg'streuner' is 0.000% lame, maddash_________
05:04.18maddash_________!nickometer streuner_
05:04.20dpkg'streuner_' is 0.000% lame, maddash_________
05:04.22Nyleoh burn!
05:04.23maddash_________:O
05:04.24kgoetzhatter: yeah
05:04.27maddash_________why?!
05:04.36maddash_________!nickometer maddash
05:04.37dpkg'maddash' is 0.000% lame, maddash_________
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05:04.41maddash_________YES!!!!!!
05:04.41Nylestop
05:05.06streunerkgoetz: its coded in blootbot, yes
05:05.07jellokingsley: http://lwn.net/Articles/261820/
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05:05.44NyleI LOVE KDE!!!
05:05.54kingsleyjello: Oh, I see.
05:06.05indraveniis debian lenny is having gnome 2.20 ?
05:06.05stewHolyAvenger: you are logged into X as root?  why?  does it work when you login as a normal user?
05:06.28Nyleindraveni: dunno, check with packages.debian.org maybe
05:06.30HolyAvengerI'm logged as root because the user I created doesn't let me use apt-get install
05:06.41\amethystThat's no reason to log in as root
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05:06.46streunerindraveni: packages.debian.org, it wasnt a few days ago
05:06.46Nylelol
05:06.52kgoetz!lart HolyAvenger
05:07.00\amethystyou log in as the user and then use su or sudo when you need to run a command as root
05:07.15streuner!info gnome-session lenny
05:07.18HolyAvengerYeah, yeah, I'm a n00b, I know
05:07.20hatterIf vncserver is requesting an X session how does it know which window manager to use ?
05:07.21dpkggnome-session: (The GNOME 2 Session Manager), section gnome, is optional. Version: 2.18.3-1 (lenny), Packaged size: 543 kB, Installed size: 2680 kB
05:07.30kgoetzgtk breaks painfully when run as root. wonder why gnomes having issues...
05:07.39maddash_________HAHAHAHA
05:07.49Nylehatter: it launches an Xsession so yeh, it uses the system default
05:08.06Nylei think
05:08.08maddash_________HolyAvenger: log into X as a normal user, and in a terminal, "sudo aptitude"
05:08.28hatterso which file is the system default for the window manager ?
05:08.33Nylemaddash_________: unless he did, debian by default does not install sudo
05:08.59maddash_________HolyAvenger: or "su -c aptitude"
05:09.00kgoetzHolyAvenger: now youve logged in as root theres probably a bunch of files that will be chowned to root which make normal users lifes hard too
05:09.01Nyleunless you do priority=medium/low or expert mode
05:09.06Nyleiirc
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05:10.11hplvphello I'm having trouble installing debian on a lifebook n series does some one have some time to help?
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05:10.11HolyAvengerwhen I'm asked for a password, which one is it?
05:10.11Nyleuser password
05:10.11NyleYOUR pw
05:10.20\amethystHolyAvenger:  are you using su or sudo?
05:10.22Nylewell, for sudo anyway
05:10.26Nylefor su you have to give root pw
05:10.28jellohatter: update-alternatives --display x-session-manager
05:10.38HolyAvengerUser  is not in the sudoers file.  This incident will be reported.
05:10.51hplvpI want to do network install because my cd drive isn't working so I start with floppies, when it gets to the partition drives it doesn't detect my HDD
05:11.13hatterjello, thx, that tells the default, but I am wondering how to make vncserver choose one that isnt default
05:11.39jellohatter: well, you should have said that in the first place...
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05:11.53jellono idea
05:11.56maddash_________Holyshit: "su -c visudo"
05:11.59Nylecheck how vncserver launches an X session
05:12.01maddash_________HolyAvenger: ^^
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05:12.08hatterjello, ok :)
05:12.21hatterNyle, ok
05:12.37Nyleyou might have to script a little thingy no big deal
05:12.38HolyAvengeryeah, yeah, make fun of the n00b one =p
05:12.47\amethysthatter:  man vncserver says $HOME/.vnc/xstartup
05:13.17maddash_________HolyAvenger: honest mistake
05:13.19Nyle\amethyst: good man
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05:13.32hatter\amethyst, thx
05:13.34HolyAvenger[02:13] <maddash_________> HolyAvenger: honest mistake <---- No biggy, I get that told a lot =p
05:13.51HolyAvengerSO, in the sudoers, what should I edit? =O
05:14.04NyleHolyAvenger: see the last line
05:14.13NyleHolyAvenger: root ALL=(ALL) ALL
05:14.18Nylecopy it and change root to user name
05:14.20HolyAvengerI add username ALL=(ALL) ALL ?
05:14.21Nylesave
05:14.24HolyAvengergreat, thanks
05:14.35minus198Hi, I want to untar around 28 .tgz files, but I don't know bash-scripting so could anyone help me out here?
05:14.37Nyleits also customizable but you can learn tha tlater on
05:14.44Nylesudo is great for many functions
05:14.48\amethystminus198:  all into the current directory?
05:14.55minus198\amethyst, yes
05:15.09jellominus198: for i in *.tgz; do tar xzf $i; done
05:15.10\amethystminus198:  for x in *.tgz; do tar xzvf "$x"; done
05:15.11minus198\amethyst, tar -zxvf *.tgz didn't work
05:15.19minus198I see
05:15.32\amethystthe tar command only takes one tarfile at a time
05:15.48HolyAvengerOk, guys
05:15.53HolyAvengerI'm on sudo aptitude
05:15.54HolyAvengernow? =O
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05:16.22HolyAvenger(This IS the first time I see this window =s)
05:16.38maddash_________HolyAvenger: assuming that you're inside X as normal user, try your epiphany and xmmms
05:16.45minus198\amethyst, jello, so what does that really do. I know Java, but javas for look isn't anything like that one.
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05:17.21jellothe shell expands *.tgz to a space-separated list of all the .tgz files in the current directory
05:17.22\amethystminus198:  for x in *.tgz; do ..... done   is a "for each" loop in the shell
05:17.35jellofor example, try `echo *.tgz`
05:17.56minus198jello, Ah..
05:18.02jellothen the for loop sets each one of its arguments in turn to the variable $i
05:18.04minus198So it takes one at the time.
05:18.12jelloand runs the commands between do & done
05:18.13\amethystyes
05:18.30\amethystit's not quite as jello suggests, because it doesn't break when there are spaces in the filenames
05:18.49\amethystas long as you quote the variable name when you use it inside the loop
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05:19.11\amethystbut that's because for is special, and doesn't do word splitting the way normal commands do
05:19.24jellothat's because it does proper argument quoting
05:19.28HolyAvengermmmh
05:19.33HolyAvengerI think I'm still running X as root
05:19.47HolyAvengeras a matter of fact, I'm sure of it
05:19.56minus198jello, \amethyst; Well, thanks :) Think I got it figured.
05:20.00jelloie, it expands to "file1.tgz" "file2.tgz" ...
05:20.05HolyAvengerI just changed the user which ran vnc4server via SSH
05:20.17jello\amethyst: not so
05:20.26minus198HolyAvenger, Kill X and open a tty and do "startx" as a normal user then?
05:20.34\amethystjello:  oh, yeah, you're right
05:20.49\amethystjello:  I'm being stupid... it's that parameter expansion happens before pathname expansion
05:21.07jellosomething like that
05:21.11minus198Hm.. My server really got mad about me untaring 5 gigs of material ^^
05:21.13\amethystI always forget the order of those two :)
05:23.48HolyAvengerminus: I would kill x ... how?
05:23.52HolyAvengerk -kill?
05:23.57HolyAvengerx -kill ?
05:24.06jelloHolyAvenger: sudo kill -9 $(pidof X)
05:24.20minus198jello, You are to fast.
05:24.24jello:)
05:24.38jelloall part of the service
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05:24.51HolyAvengershould I get a message of "xxxx process killed" or something?
05:24.55HolyAvengerBecause I'm not.
05:24.59jellono
05:25.04HolyAvengergood
05:25.11HolyAvengerso now
05:25.14HolyAvengersudo startx ?
05:25.19minus198HolyAvenger, no, not sudo
05:25.22minus198just "startx"
05:25.22jelloHolyAvenger: run `pidof X` and see that nothing comes back
05:25.28minus198It shuld start
05:25.46minus198HolyAvenger, or: "sudo /etc/init.d/kdm restart"
05:25.52HolyAvengerxauth:  timeout in locking authority file /home/alejandro/.serverauth.31615
05:26.28jelloyep, you messed it up by running as root...
05:26.36HolyAvengerhah
05:26.38jellosudo rm /home/alejandro/.serverauth.31615
05:26.55HolyAvengerrm: cannot remove `/home/alejandro/.serverauth.31615': No such file or directory
05:27.13jelloHolyAvenger: try `startx` again
05:27.20hplvpI'm trying to do a floppy-based install of etch and the image is unable to detect my ide hard drive. How can I tell if my ide controller is supported by the floppy installer?
05:27.41jellohplvp: check dmesg
05:27.57HolyAvengerkamina@84-16-227-109:~$ startx
05:27.57HolyAvengerxauth:  timeout in locking authority file /home/alejandro/.serverauth.31683
05:27.58jellohplvp: alt-f2 to the root shell, run dmesg | less
05:28.07jelloHolyAvenger: are you running on the console?
05:28.11HolyAvengerssh
05:28.17jellowell, that's why
05:28.25HolyAvengeri'm on putty
05:28.32jellowhat in the world are you trying to do??
05:28.50HolyAvengerI'm trying to get to work my GNOME
05:28.59jellowhat does that mean to you?
05:29.02HolyAvengerI have a server
05:29.06jellook
05:29.10HolyAvengerwhich I access (usually) via Putty
05:29.13jellook
05:29.20minus198HolyAvenger, Why do you have X on a server?
05:29.22HolyAvengerbut there are some cases, when I need to use vnc (and x win)
05:29.25HolyAvengerlike for xmms
05:29.30minus198ok..
05:29.33HolyAvenger(I'm trying to make a shoutcast)
05:29.37minus198Well..
05:29.38jelloHolyAvenger: you need a local X server
05:29.52minus198You can use other things for shoutcast i think
05:29.55jellothen you can forward X connections via ssh and have them appear on your local machine
05:30.09HolyAvengerNow that was TOTALLY moonrunes for me =p
05:30.27jelloHolyAvenger: just memorize this, in X the server runs on the machine with the screen
05:30.32minus198I learned a new word! "moonrunes" ;D
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05:30.48jellowtf is moonrunes??
05:30.57Penixhaha
05:31.00HolyAvengerlike "It's friggin chinese"
05:31.03minus198jello, I guess it is: "Stuff you don't understand"
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05:31.04jello$ dict moonrunes
05:31.04jelloNo definitions found for "moonrunes"
05:31.04BadHorsieis there like a "discover" but for file systems?
05:31.06HolyAvengeror "Japanese"
05:31.09HolyAvengersomething you don't know
05:31.22jelloBadHorsie: file??
05:31.28streunerBadHorsie: try to mount the partition
05:32.02HolyAvengerJello: So, now that I memorized that in x the server runs on the machine with the screen, what do I do now?
05:32.17jelloHolyAvenger: you need to run an X server on your local machine
05:32.22BadHorsiei mean say i have a lot of partitions i just got a new drive and i don't wanna bother checking the FS type and just want the HDDs scanned and mount everything, i think i've seen that done in gnome but i don't like gnome anyway
05:32.23minus198Download all of ciscos material++
05:32.30HolyAvengerMmmmmh
05:32.32jellothen putty to your server with X forwarded
05:32.39HolyAvengerMaybe I messed up my explanation?
05:32.42simonrvnfucking weird, i just had udev act nuts
05:32.45jellowhich will set the DISPLAY to point to your local machine
05:32.51HolyAvengerI hired a server, somewhere far away.
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05:32.56HolyAvengerthis server had Debian etch
05:32.58HolyAvengerpeeled
05:33.00jellosimonrvn: that's not weird... pretty standard
05:33.01HolyAvengernothing on it
05:33.10minus198HolyAvenger, Hired a server o.O
05:33.24hplvpOK so I put in my hdd geometry as "install hd=16383,4,63" but dmesg gives me "invalid geometry 0 physical head?"
05:33.49minus198HolyAvenger, Why didn't you pull up a computer from a dumpster and played with that before you went and hired one?
05:33.53HolyAvengerInstalled xwin and xfce, but then wanted my gnome back (i couldn't get along with xfce) so I removed xfce and installed gnome
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05:34.42simonrvnjello: used to be standard for me, hadn't done that in a long time
05:35.18minus198HolyAvenger, what did you pay for it then? :P
05:35.26HolyAvengerAnd, although I'm new to Debian, I did have some (little) experience on Ubuntu on my local machine.
05:35.28HolyAvengerNot telling =p
05:35.39minus198Meh xD
05:36.25HolyAvengerI'm running xp here, btw.
05:36.36HolyAvengerYeah, yeah, hate me.
05:36.39BadHorsieanyway, i was searching for apt-get install autofs; thanks anyway
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05:37.10jelloBadHorsie: sudo fdisk -l /dev/sda
05:37.26HolyAvengerSo, can we try to get on topic with my issue, please? =(
05:37.38jelloHolyAvenger: so, just install the cygwin X server on XP
05:37.54HolyAvengeroh, I can do that!?
05:37.55jelloHolyAvenger: then forward X11 to your server via putty
05:38.07HolyAvengertell me that BEFORE I start bitching =p
05:38.28jelloHolyAvenger: i refer you to what i just made you memorize
05:38.59jelloHolyAvenger: if XP has the screen, then XP needs the X server...simple!
05:39.49HolyAvengertold you; moonrunes
05:39.59HolyAvengerdownloading it now, though
05:40.22tazleXming might be more painless to set up than Cygwin
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05:41.08jellohmm, never heard of Xming... time for some research...
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05:41.28BadHorsiewasn't there something like attachmate so that he could connect to his remote X without bothering with X server, i mean, he looks like he's got money
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05:42.18indravenihi all, i have dowloaded debian mirror , i have my own mirror here with some of the customisations
05:42.35indravenii have dotn settings to create  the content file also
05:42.51HolyAvengerHaha, I find it hard to believe how much I had to do to get my shoutcast running XD
05:43.06indraveniit was working, but now when I am trying to run the script to craete  the pacakges file, I am getting the following error message
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05:43.11HolyAvengerthe work expanded to my own computer
05:43.11HolyAvenger=p
05:43.16indraveni<PROTECTED>
05:43.16indravenigzip: stdin: decompression OK, trailing garbage ignored
05:43.16indraveniE: Sub-process decompressor returned an error code (2)
05:43.16indraveniE: Sub-process Compress child returned an error code (100)
05:43.16indraveniE: Error processing contents dists/anant/Contents-i386
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05:44.05simonrvndoh
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05:44.49hplvpso I just found a google search where someone had my exact problem but no one anwsered it they specifics are at http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=105622
05:45.01HolyAvengerJello, I already installed cygwin
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05:46.25mandrigalanyone know of a free pic downloading software
05:46.33jellohplvp: http://marc.info/?l=debian-user&m=118470442001542&w=2
05:46.50jelloHolyAvenger: so, now start up the x server on XP
05:47.02jelloHolyAvenger: then putty to your server with X forwarding on
05:47.20HolyAvengernow, now
05:47.24jelloHolyAvenger: finally, run xclock in putty and you should see it on your screen
05:47.28HolyAvengerwe are dealing with a retard here
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05:47.49HolyAvengerHow do I "putty" to my server with x forwarding on
05:48.07jelloit's in the options under new connection...
05:48.14VincentCi think it's either -X or -Y
05:48.27VincentCerm that's the ssh option
05:48.28jelloor use the command line if it's in your path...
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05:48.39jelloVincentC: it may work
05:49.22jelloHolyAvenger: http://the.earth.li/~sgtatham/putty/0.58/htmldoc/Chapter3.html#using-x-forwarding
05:49.49hplvpthanks jello but I already tried "install
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05:50.45jellomandrigal: huh?
05:51.06jellodownload from where?
05:51.31mandrigali used to have an app that would searth the web for pics
05:51.33mandrigaland dl them
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05:51.49jelloimages.google.com ??
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05:53.18hplvpsorry I already tried "install generic.all_generic_ide=1 hd=16383,4,63"
05:53.40jellook, i'm stumped then...
05:54.01jellohplvp: ask #debian-boot on OFTC
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05:54.34hplvpok thanks...
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05:55.05ulrikI'm looking at some abandoned packages. some, like quake2, it seems it's pretty silly. there are 2 major issues and patches for both. One begins to wonder why no one just patches it and uploads it
05:55.06HolyAvengerJello, cygwin opens a terminal-like window
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05:55.29HolyAvengerand xming seems running in my tray, but I don't know what else to do
05:55.34jelloHolyAvenger: that's fine, just don't close it
05:55.38jdrake_Does Debian have an all encompassing package that installs everything required for a basic C environment?
05:55.53jelloHolyAvenger: now, run putty with X11 forwarding on
05:55.55ulrikjdrake_: build-essential, perhaps
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05:56.01jellojdrake_: apt-get install build-essential
05:56.34jellothat should be C & C++
05:56.52\amethystjdrake_:  however, that only installs the most necessary development libraries
05:57.04jelloyeah, no autotools or the like
05:57.12jellono IDE either
05:57.20jellobut that's a feature...
05:57.23\amethystjdrake_:  if you want to compile GTK programs, for example, you'll need to install libgtk2.0-dev
05:57.24jdrake_\amethyst: THat is what I am after. But I do wonder if 'cpp' and 'cpp-4.1' are the same package. (slow connection...)
05:57.32jdrake_\amethyst: Completely console computer here
05:57.42\amethystjdrake_:  which version of debian?
05:57.56jdrake_Whatever is the default download
05:58.01\amethyststable?
05:58.05jdrake_yes
05:58.07jellojdrake_: on unstable, cpp = 4.2
05:58.09\amethystin that case cpp is cpp 4.1
05:58.11jdrake_It appears to be regular 4.0
05:58.26jdrake_Is 4.0r1 different from 4.0?
05:58.59jellonot that different, no
05:58.59\amethystit's got some updates, but not to gcc afaik
05:58.59jelloonly security fixes, no big changes
05:58.59HolyAvengerjello: Done. Now? I see everything as I did without X11, etc.
05:59.06jellohuh?
05:59.07jdrake_I am essentially doing os development, vista was not the most agreeable platform to use for this task.
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05:59.16jelloheh
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05:59.53jelloHolyAvenger: you connected to your server with putty?
05:59.58HolyAvengerI ran cygwin (a terminal-like window), minimized it. I ran Putty, enabled X11 and localhost:0
06:00.06HolyAvengernow I log into the server
06:00.08HolyAvengeras user
06:00.12jelloHolyAvenger: yes
06:00.14HolyAvengernow?
06:00.19jelloHolyAvenger: echo $DISPLAY
06:00.28jdrake_I would usually run ubuntu, but I figured that for this purpose debian-stable was the best thing to use for its glacial properties.
06:00.41HolyAvengerlocalhost:10.0
06:00.53jellogood
06:01.00jellonow run `xclock &`
06:01.11jelloand watch the clock appear on your screen
06:01.24HolyAvengerXlib: connection to "localhost:10.0" refused by server
06:01.24HolyAvengerXlib: PuTTY X11 proxy: wrong authentication protocol attempted
06:01.24HolyAvengerError: Can't open display: localhost:10.0
06:01.37jello?!
06:02.07jelloyou're running both cygwin-x and xming??
06:02.11jelloif so, kill one of them
06:02.24jellorestart putty and try again
06:02.37BadHorsiealready ran xhost +ad.dre.es.s ?
06:02.49jelloBadHorsie: noooooooooooooo
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06:02.56jellothat would be bad
06:03.10richois ther a way to force debian to turn the numlock on at boot?
06:03.12richoit's enabled in biod
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06:03.45jelloricho: giyf
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06:03.57BadHorsiejello: lol, ok, that was what my last instructor asked when using Reflextion, but prolly you're right, he was pretty dumb.
06:04.03jdrake_Will an apt-get upgrade update to r1?
06:04.06HolyAvenger/usr/bin/X11/xauth:  timeout in locking authority file /home/alejandro/.Xauthority
06:04.23jelloricho: /etc/console-tools/config
06:04.30richojello: is that an application, a google search term?
06:04.36jelloricho: a file
06:04.39jelloedit it
06:04.54richothanks
06:05.00jello!giyf
06:05.00dpkgrumour has it, giyf is Google Is Your Friend, or http://google.com/linux.  Gary Izzard, Yankee Farmer
06:05.38jellojdrake_: yes
06:05.41richojello: ironically i googled giyf
06:05.52VincentCHolyAvenger: what is what you're doing called? I'm planning on setting up my own debian server at home and would like to ssh from school to home
06:06.00VincentCafter my final tomorrow of course
06:06.24VincentCi'll go through a tutorial but i don't know what to google for
06:06.50HolyAvengerVincent: I have no idea. I'm learning as I go. I log into my system via SSH using Putty
06:06.51jelloHolyAvenger: ls -l /home/alejandro/.Xauthority
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06:07.22joe_90hey guys, i've got a new debian install but for some reason I cannot resolve domain names in many apps. however can ping them and find out the ip though then use that ip to access websites. anyone know a fix?
06:07.37jelloVincentC: it's called setting up a cross-platform tunneled X connection
06:07.40VincentCwell hopefully they'll be somebody as helpful as jello to give me a hand when  i'm stuck:p
06:08.18jellojoe_90: uhm, all apps should use the same resolver as ping...
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06:08.25jellojoe_90: what apps are not working?
06:08.26HolyAvengerls -l /home/alejandro/.Xauthority
06:08.26HolyAvenger-rw------- 1 root root 131 2007-12-17 07:14 /home/alejandro/.Xauthority
06:08.33joe_90internet browsers
06:08.33jelloHolyAvenger: delete it
06:08.42jelloany in particular?
06:09.00jellodoes lynx work?
06:09.33HolyAvengerJello, Done. (I had to use Sudo)
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06:09.41HolyAvenger(sudo rm... I mean)
06:09.45jelloHolyAvenger: of course, since it's owned by root... grrr
06:09.55jelloHolyAvenger: now try `xterm &`
06:10.03jelloor xclock or xeyes
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06:10.37jellolast call, i'm going to be in five minutes...
06:10.52jelloer, bed
06:10.59HolyAvengerXlib: connection to "localhost:10.0" refused by server
06:10.59HolyAvengerXlib: PuTTY X11 proxy: wrong authentication protocol attempted
06:10.59HolyAvengerError: Can't open display: localhost:10.0
06:11.06catsup_joe_90: sometimes if you start an applicatoin and then upgrade libc it on't be able to resolve until it is reloaded (i.e., it loads the new libc); maybe that is it
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06:11.25jelloHolyAvenger: yeah, restart putty, it probably couldn't write to .Xauthority
06:11.40Trampjello: In the page you gave previously, it was said that putty cannot handle authenticated connections
06:12.03jelloTramp: "authenticated connections"?
06:12.09joe_90the default bowser, icethingy
06:12.17TrampMIT-MAGIC-COOKIES
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06:12.30jellohrm...
06:12.33joe_90catsup_: so then what should i do
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06:12.52Trampquoting: Note that if your PC X server requires authentication to connect, then PuTTY cannot currently support it.
06:12.57HolyAvengerno way! I'm still getting that nasty .xauthority message!
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06:13.33HolyAvengerI'll google
06:13.39HolyAvengerI'm being to much of a drag
06:13.39candoo_hello. i id an rm -rf in /  realizng my mistakes i stoped the process quickly however much was deleted. i wouldlike to reocver if posable. however I only have a memorystick to boot from for recovery
06:13.39jelloTramp: i don't think that's what it means...
06:14.01jelloCanDoo: do you have internet access??
06:14.05CanDooyes
06:14.14TrampI didn't follow all your conversation though - may have insufficient information.
06:14.16jelloCanDoo: how much of your system is left?
06:14.22CanDooi have the memory stick installed on this laptop with intenet acess right now
06:14.33CanDoojello i can't even mount the drive to find out
06:14.36VincentCHolyAvenger: long shot but you wouldn't happen to have a blog or anything documenting the process you went through to sent up your own server?
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06:14.39CanDooi don't have a usb enclosure
06:14.54VincentCor have some resources that you found helpful bookmarked
06:15.02CanDooi know boot is gone
06:15.05CanDooso the kernel is gone
06:15.16VincentC*setting up your own server
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06:15.34CanDoois their a recovery imagei coudl write to a usb stick and boot it to recover?
06:15.35mrechi, can anyone point me to a documentation about how to put up a debian package server?
06:15.49jelloCanDoo: download the etch installer and use that to boot as a recovery shell
06:15.49HolyAvengerVincent, which kind of "guide" are you looking for? What kind of server? I have an FTP, a HUB Server, trying a SHOUTcast right now
06:16.13jellomrec: you mean an official mirror?
06:16.15VincentCi'd jsut like to be able to ssh from a machine at school to home and run apps
06:16.21VincentChere at uni they don't give me nearly enough disk space
06:16.26mrecjello: I have a few packages and would like to provide them on my own server
06:16.33HolyAvengermmmh
06:16.38VincentCand i don't have root permission so i lsoe a lot a freedom
06:16.41jellomrec: why not use mentors.debian.net ?
06:17.00VincentCi know what i want to do, but haven't a clue how to get there
06:17.01HolyAvengerhttp://www.debianadmin.com/remotely-manage-machines-using-vnc.html
06:17.03HolyAvengerI used that
06:17.11VincentCdon't even know what kind of server i'm looking at lol
06:17.14VincentCok thanks a ton
06:17.14HolyAvenger(Yep, I bookmark everything realted)
06:17.37mrecjello: it's about some backported packages too not really interesting for mainstream
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06:17.51HolyAvengerno problem
06:18.14\amethystmrec:  reprepro or debpartial-mirror maybe
06:18.15jellomrec: look up dpkg-scanpackages
06:18.37mrecjello: the server I have is a redhat server actually where I want to provide those packages
06:19.05VincentCbut you've done or are doing doing -exactly- what i'd like to be doing for the next week so i can't help but be interested
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06:19.51hatterhow do i see which machine is broadcasting ?
06:19.57Nopalinanybody knows why mounting a cdrom or dvd takes a long time?
06:20.11hatteron a lan, with an etch router
06:20.21Nopalinhatter, install iptraf then check your ethernet iface
06:20.43CanDooman i'm nervious
06:20.43jelloHolyAvenger: do you have AllowX11Forwarding in /etc/ssh/sshd_config
06:20.56hatterNopalin, the ethernet iface will say an ip address ?
06:20.57joe_90another thing, i store all my music on an ntfs partition, now i can mount it, however only root can execute stuff on it. i tried using chmod but it doesn't work on any files.
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06:21.18cahootexecute?
06:21.22keramdoes anyone know how to specify which monitor should be primary using xrandr or some other program?
06:21.40Nopalinhatter: yes, it verify all trafic and tell you the protocol and ip address
06:21.43joe_90well programs cannot play the mp3s
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06:22.00cahoot!ntfsrw
06:22.01dpkg[ntfs-3g] a user-space NTFS driver with write support and good performance.  http://www.ntfs-3g.org/.  Available in Lenny, but not for Etch except as a backport: see the package page at http://packages.debian.org/etch-backports/ntfs-3g, backport instructions at http://www.backports.org/.
06:22.14jelloHolyAvenger: you might also look at http://www.linux-tip.net/cms/content/view/302/26/
06:22.20jellog'night all!
06:22.20hatterNopalin, cool thx, so this should be an easy way to see if a nic is playing up and saturaing the network
06:22.27mrechas anyone installed skype and gaim?
06:22.32netgeardoes anyone know if driver pvrusb2.ko from mythtv will work for debian or not?
06:22.36Penixmrec: no. no one. ever
06:22.53joe_90cahoot: yeh but everything works fine if i'm root.
06:22.58Nopalinhatter, well it only works in the machine it is installed, only your local traffic not on a network
06:23.03mrecfor some reason if I try to copy/paste something from skype to gaim, gaim blows up
06:23.11\amethystnetgear:  not very likely, since they're probably different kernel versions
06:23.14Penixnetgear: if it's a kernel module, it's kernel-dependant. find out what the driver is built against
06:23.23Penixe..
06:23.27CanDooi see the etch installer but how do i make a memorystick bootable?
06:23.30netgearmrec: maybe you should try pidgin?
06:23.51mrecnetgear: I mean pidgin actually
06:24.04netgearoh ok
06:24.38keramanyone?
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06:24.48shreehi all
06:25.02joe_90CanDoo: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch04s04.html.en
06:25.20joe_90then make sure your bios is set up to use the usb to boot off 1st
06:25.39netgearanyone here have a usb 2 pvr?
06:25.49hattershould all usb sticks be bootable ?
06:26.23netgearhatter, no unless you want to boot from it
06:26.58hatterI mean, do you need to purchase a 'bootable usb stick' or should all of them have the capabilitly
06:27.32joe_90hatter: all in my experience
06:27.38netgearno every usb drive can be made bootable
06:27.39CanDoothank you
06:27.51netgearafaik they dont by default come as bootable
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06:28.49hatteri have now tried it with two of the sticks i have laying around and it hasnt worked yet. i will try a third
06:29.32netgearhatter - http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/linux-software-2/creating-a-bootable-usb-thumb-drive-381819/
06:29.38netgearmaybe that is useful
06:29.44hatterany o fyou guys used a usb stick exclusively yet for a good period of time ?
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06:29.59hatterexclusively as the os storage that is
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06:30.15hatterthey say there is a limit to how many writes a usb stick will be useful for
06:30.28simonrvnno; i don't think that'd be a good idea. exactly why
06:30.35\amethysthatter:  it's the number of writes per block
06:31.09\amethystsome (most?) newer ones have wear-levelling, so the blocks will all wear out at about the same rate
06:31.09hatter\amethyst, which means the thumb drive os has a limited life span
06:31.09\amethystbut still it's something to worry about
06:31.41hattershame
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06:31.46hatteri love the idea
06:31.55\amethystif you run /var on a tmpfs it will help
06:31.56hattermaybe soon a new tech will fix it
06:32.04\amethystwell
06:32.19\amethystdepending on what packages you use it's maybe not safe to put all of /var on a tmpfs
06:32.34netgearhatter, if you have money you can dd each time and put on a new drive :) just not cost efficient but it can be done if you want to
06:32.54hatter\amethyst, or put the entire thing into ram, i wonder how much linux os you need to run in RAM ?
06:33.02simonrvnthat's just plain wasteful
06:33.24\amethysthatter:  take a look at debian live perhaps?
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06:33.43hatterbut you could not write to it at all, is the problem with reading the same as writing ?
06:33.56\amethystreading is fine
06:34.07hatterunlimited reads on a usb stick ?
06:34.13hatterwhich seems logical
06:34.24\amethystnot unlimited, but close enough
06:34.34\amethystI'm sure the things have a finite MTBF
06:34.35hatterso a modified debian live that moves the entire disk to RAM
06:34.50\amethystnot the entire disk, that's wasteful
06:35.18hatterwasteful ?  2 Gb of RAM,  700Mb for OS, plenty of the rest for programs
06:35.21\amethystlivecds typically have to put all writable stuff, and anything that needs fast access, into a ramdisk
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06:35.47hatterthe annoying thing about live cd's is when they read the cd again, why not put it all in RAM
06:36.12\amethystbecause if they used 750MB of RAM lots of people would be unable to use them
06:36.24\amethystand it would actually be more, because the CD is compressed
06:36.31happlahatter: and for instance knoppix has a boot parameter for doing a ramdisk with the entire CD in.
06:36.34hatter\amethyst, true, the compressed file can still be in ram
06:36.44happlahatter: Maybe 1. read docs 2. whine instead fo the other way around?
06:36.59hatterhappla, does it ?  cool.  you are right. I will read it.
06:37.34\amethysthatter: it uses demand loading because CDs are slow and RAM is fairly expensive
06:37.38hatteri was just thinking aloud on the permenant use of a usb thumb drive as the primary os.
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06:38.22hatterRAM used to be expensive, now 2gigs is showing up in lots of machines
06:38.27happlahatter: using flashbased producs for OS sux - since they are not made for prolonged use of writing to them - they will break fairly quickly. You need to put /var /tmp etc. into ramdisk and that kinda defies the point with logging.
06:38.51TabakhaseRAM is the cheapest on the whole computer!
06:39.10happlaComputers are cheap
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06:39.30Thaspwith grub, what is the difference between kernel and initrd in menu.lst ?
06:39.35ThaspI want to compile a new kernel and usually use lilo
06:39.48ThaspI don't understand this. I used to just have to point the bootloader at a kernel image
06:39.53Tabakhaseso on, had to go too school, bye
06:40.05hatterhappla, /var and /tmp could be put into ram until you close the session then be written back to the usb drive, reducing writes dramatically
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06:41.28GuerinThasp: use a debian kernel, or learn about how they actually work.
06:41.40Guerinan initrd is used for some modular kernels
06:41.58Guerinif you build your kernel right you probably don't need one
06:42.12ThaspGuerin, I'd like to compile my own so I have support for all the QOS stuff I'd like to use
06:42.20ThaspI've never used an initrd before :/
06:42.33Guerinthen don't use one this time
06:42.40Thaspgood idea.
06:42.58hatternetgear, I like the idea of the OS on a stick that you carry around. I less like the idea of OS stuck on hard disk.
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06:44.10happlahatter: yes, I see how that is useful when something breaks, your kernel panics and you want to know what happened.
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06:44.49happlaWell, time to go to work
06:44.52happla*gone for a while*
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06:44.59hatterhappla, sure, so a hard disk is still necessary. but maybe its only for logs.
06:45.40simonrvnsolid state hdd
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06:46.17hattersimonrvn, sure, that sounds good.
06:46.27simonrvn$$$
06:46.33unix_infidelmornin'
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06:47.38erpoWhy is debhelper always setting the channel limit to $x?
06:47.51erpounix_infidel: good morning.
06:47.55simonrvnbecause
06:48.00kgoetzto help prevent flooding
06:48.02unix_infidelerpo: it's designed to keep out the baddies.
06:48.45unix_infidelthis is going to sound stupid to ask but if i plan on installing ubuntu-server + flux and some essential apps.
06:48.50unix_infideli'm basically just installing debian right?
06:48.52erpoI don't see how that would help. I mean, one person can always join and be obnoxious.
06:48.57erpounix_infidel: Ha!
06:48.57simonrvnunix_infidel: no
06:49.08\amethysterpo:  it's easier to ban one person than fifty
06:49.12kgoetzerpo: it stops 30 people joining at once
06:49.21hatterunix_infidel, no
06:49.22kgoetzunix_infidel: ask dpkg about !based on debian and !ubuntu
06:49.24erpounix_infidel: Ubuntu, AFAIK, comes from debian experimental.
06:49.32simonrvnit does not
06:49.36kgoetzerpo: unstable, not experimental
06:49.41hatteruse etch.
06:49.58erpokgoetz: Just out of curiosity, are you related to Pete Goetz the mathematician?
06:50.16erpo\amethyst: Point taken. :)
06:50.30kgoetzerpo: no, not that i'm aware of :)
06:50.42unix_infidelwell unstable then.
06:50.50unix_infidelam i essentially installing debian unstable.
06:51.12kgoetzlook at the thins i told you about from dpkg
06:51.13simonrvnno, you're instaling ubuntu
06:51.20simonrvninstalling*
06:51.20unix_infidelok :-)
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06:52.03hatterunix_infidel, i have tried ubuntu-server and I enjoy etch more. ubuntu-server is less strict on quality control but quicker on releases
06:52.21erpounix_infidel: I would say if you want debian unstable you can install debian unstable.
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06:52.34unix_infideli've been down both routes.
06:52.46hatterubuntu forgets to add the word - ubuntu-server-unstable :)
06:53.04unix_infidelit used to be that they were so tightly tuned that the fundamental functionality was VERY similar.
06:53.06hatterand there is few people in the #ubuntu-server channel for help
06:53.08unix_infidelthat was a couple years ago.
06:53.21hattermany more friendlys in here :)
06:53.47kgoetzhatter: #ubuntu-server is a fine size for help - as many active peopl as here
06:53.51unix_infidelhatter: not necessarily true, that being said. i'd wager there is a greater quantity of competence in here.
06:53.55hatterkgoetz, no way
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06:54.08kgoetzhatter: i'm there :p
06:54.10hatteri have had help there but far more experienced people here
06:54.23erpounix_infidel: Oh yeah. I run only Ubuntu, but I can't stand #ubuntu.
06:54.26hatterkgoetz, I am there also irregularly :)
06:54.32kgoetz:)
06:55.16hatterunix_infidel, ah friendliness and helpfulness are different in #irc
06:55.31hatteri prefer helpfulness. it means asking a better question
06:55.40unix_infidelhatter: like any nerd i like to have my cake and eat it to.
06:55.47hatter#ubuntu is pretty much useless methinks.
06:56.00unix_infideltoo*
06:56.06unix_infidelhatter: not true.
06:56.32unix_infidelthey are you[-1]
06:56.45unix_infidelerm you[0]
06:56.51hatterI dont mean to diss it,  I mean there is so much interest in ubuntu and so many conversing in #ubuntu that random chatter is a lot of noise
06:57.10kgoetzhatter: i dont see #debian being any better tbh, not now, and not two years ago
06:57.16hatterthere is not a lot of noise in here. at least whe i shut up there isnt.
06:57.18SebbohThis is like going to your girlfriend's father and complaining that she doesn't call you often enough..  We, the father, really don't care..  And might even harbor some disdain for you.. :)
06:57.27hatterkgoetz, I do.
06:57.36kgoetzSebboh: lol
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06:59.07troubledsimonrvn: chaiyya!
07:00.02simonrvn:)
07:01.12troubledsimonrvn: convertion to pgsql in progress. all i can say is, wow, what a diff over mysql with the big honkin db
07:01.45simonrvnwoot
07:01.46SebbohSo..  Supposing I have a block device that contains an image of a disk, a whole disk with a few partitions, mind you, not just one filesystem..  How do I mount a partition from within there?
07:01.47indravenihi all
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07:01.54troubledalthough the machine pgsql is running on atm is orders of magnatude faster than the mysql boxen
07:02.04indravenicould some one tell me , a software in debian using which i can create torrents to my files ?
07:02.09simonrvnwell, that usually matters
07:02.38unix_infidelthis is going to be a bit offtopic, but can anyone recommend a perl tutorial?
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07:02.49Guerinindraveni: bittorrent and bittornado packages have such a tool
07:02.57Guerinunix_infidel: the camel book
07:03.07troubledsimonrvn: well, there are a few queries that mysql just couldnt do well when it came to timestamps style i used in mysql. pgsql has no problems like that anymore. the messages table now is searchable in seconds instead of minutes now :)
07:03.16Guerinunix_infidel: ask #perl for details
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07:03.22unix_infidelGuerin: orielly?
07:03.27Guerinunix_infidel: yes.
07:03.31SebbohI have been told that kpartx is the solution to my problem.
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07:03.53indraveniGuerin, they are the clients, but i want to create a torrent
07:03.53troubledunix_infidel: i can school ya if you just need somethin quick and simple ;)
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07:03.58simonrvntroubled: nice :)
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07:04.17troubledsimonrvn: hold that thought, almost done grooving ;)
07:04.27RickyWhdoes anyone know how to search for an irc network dedicated to a certain theme?
07:04.29simonrvnhehe
07:04.47HolyAvengerhow can I get the iceicast plugin for xmms?
07:04.58unix_infidelRickyWh: iirc, irc.netsplit.de
07:05.04HolyAvengerxmmd-liveice, I think it's called
07:05.27RickyWhunix_infidel, what is irc.netsplit.de ?
07:05.36unix_infidela website.
07:05.56HolyAvengerAnyone knows?
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07:06.06Guerinindraveni: reread what I wrote.
07:06.10unix_infidelGuerin: on a scale of 1 to 10 rating the camel book?
07:06.11RickyWhi'm looking for an ebook network
07:06.31unix_infidelRickyWh: it's freenode policy not to engage or support piracy.
07:07.01unix_infidelRickyWh: google searches are indiscriminate though.
07:07.21troubledRickyWh: what kind of ebook? there are howto's by the truck loads out there for OSS stuff
07:07.21HolyAvengerHow can I get the xmms-liveice plugin ?
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07:08.15troubledsimonrvn: btw, 5 years old now :)
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07:08.46happlahatter: Depends what you are going to use the machine for.
07:09.02happlahatter: is it like an embedded system or is it your workstation or htpc?
07:09.03troubledRickyWh: try tldp.org
07:09.37RickyWhok, btw vote ron paul
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07:09.48troubled#politics!
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07:09.53simonrvntroubled: what is?
07:09.54wols_RickyWh: haven't you benn told not to do it before
07:09.56wols_?
07:10.04troubledsimonrvn: freenode bday years :)
07:10.11simonrvnoh
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07:10.19hatterhappla, i am thinking its a workstation, so a user can take it home with them and use it in multiple places.
07:10.21Thaspif I type make menuconfig to get the menu up to configure the kernel on this new debian install I get -bash: make: command not found
07:10.24Thasp? :(
07:10.25RickyWhoh ya, woops i forgot that was earlier tonight in this chan, won't happen again
07:10.28RickyWhor else!
07:10.37simonrvn<PROTECTED>
07:11.07Thaspdo I need something like build-essentials or something?
07:11.16troubledsimonrvn:  5 years 6 weeks now
07:11.44wols_Thasp: yes
07:11.46troubledThasp: if you intend to compile, ya
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07:12.07troubledwell, a little more tools than just compiling mind you
07:12.18happlahatter: ok, then I suggest the livecd+thumbdrive for userdata
07:12.28troubledwols_: *ahem* /nick wols :)
07:13.22Thaspthis channel is awesome
07:13.31hatterhappla, sure, sounds good.
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07:14.10rcbarnesI just re-installed, and now my touchpad is really sluggish.  How do I configure that?  I don't see anything different in xorg.conf.
07:14.15Thasphttp://www.pastebin.ca/819891 <-- I get this when I try to make menuconfig
07:14.18Thaspwhat does that mean ? :(
07:14.52troubledmissing libncurses
07:15.02happlaThasp: looks like you have broken locale combined with missing libncurses-dev
07:15.05troubled!libncurses
07:15.05dpkgapt-get install libncurses-dev
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07:15.21Thaspcool thanks
07:15.25happlaThasp: why are you compiling your own kernel in the first place?
07:15.49Thasphappla, I am not sure if the debian kernel has all the options compiled in for a router I want to make with QOS
07:15.59Thaspso I will make one myself
07:15.59troubledThasp: it should
07:16.00happlaThasp: I am sure it does
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07:16.10happlaThasp: modules baby!
07:16.20ThaspI am not new to debian routers, but I am very to qos :(
07:16.40HolyAvengerHow can I get the xmms-liveice plugin ?
07:16.43happlaThasp: ok, I am sure it's there as modules - I am not 100% sure n the modulename tho
07:16.49BadHorsiehow come only one application can use /dev/dsp at a time? how can i have several applications doing sounds at the same time?
07:16.56jdrake_What would be the package to get that will allow me to make fat12 file systems or vfat?
07:17.01troubledThasp: perhaps try: find /lib/modules/`uname -r` -type f -name "*qos*"?
07:17.09troubledor whatever modules it uses
07:17.32happlaBadHorsie: then you have to use some other sound-daemon - I think alsa does several - or you can always use esd =)
07:17.56BadHorsiewould you recommend ESD or ALSA?
07:18.04happlaBadHorsie: alsa ofc.
07:18.08happlaesd is pure crap
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07:18.19BadHorsiethanks
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07:20.07HolyAvengerAnyone knows why I can't apt-get install xmms-liveice? It says it couldn't find the package but I found 2 or 3 guides which mention it
07:20.42happlaHolyAvenger: did you do a apt-get update and do you have non-free and contrib repos in your souces.list ?
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07:22.44fundesktopI'm looking for a program that globally catches specific X key presses and runs programs for it
07:23.07happlafundesktop: most window managers have key shortcut programs
07:23.08\amethystfundesktop:  xbindkeys
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07:23.42Mcr_Hi!
07:23.48fundesktophappla: I used IceWM's, but now it "doesn't work" anymore
07:23.50HolyAvengerapt-get update
07:23.52HolyAvengerups
07:23.56happlafundesktop: strange
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07:24.04happlaHolyAvenger: Get:1 http://ftp.port80.se etch Release.gpg [378B]
07:24.04ThaspI remember when I'd go make menuconfig and I'd see tons more options
07:24.10happlaHolyAvenger: Get:2 http://ftp.port80.se etch Release [58.2kB]
07:24.14happlaHolyAvenger: ;(
07:24.16happlaups =)
07:24.16Thaspwith 2.6.23.11, I don't see all the same things to configure I used to
07:24.17happlaHolyAvenger: ;)
07:24.37Mcr_anybody has experience with base64 ?
07:24.41HolyAvengerHappla, what's that?
07:24.50\amethystMcr_:  what about it?
07:24.55happlaHolyAvenger: I was just joking since your wrote apt-get update in the channel
07:25.00HolyAvengerHaha
07:25.05happlaxmms-liveice - XMMS plugin that sends your audio to a shoutcast server
07:25.11happlain my etch-repo
07:25.16Mcr_Im trying to find out this but im confused with base32
07:25.22Mcr_hold on!
07:25.34HolyAvenger<PROTECTED>
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07:25.34HolyAvengerReading package lists... Done
07:25.34HolyAvengerBuilding dependency tree... Done
07:25.34HolyAvengerE: Couldn't find package xmms-liveice
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07:26.02streunerWho told you to flood us?
07:26.11neoticwooooh
07:26.11HolyAvengerYeah, yeah, I know.
07:26.14Mcr_http://pastebin.com/m753214c8
07:26.39\amethystMcr_:  where did the spaces come from?
07:26.39happlaHolyAvenger: did you enable non-free and contrib?
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07:26.46HolyAvengerNope, how do I do that?
07:27.01happlaHolyAvenger: nano /etc/apt/sources.list
07:27.12Mcr_I got it like that and I was trying with awk to remove them but I cant use awk Im scared of him :S
07:27.16happlaHolyAvenger: then add "contrib non-free"
07:27.19fundesktop\amethyst: looks good, ty
07:27.26HolyAvengerhappla: where?
07:27.28happlaHolyAvenger: to the line that say deb http:/**** etch main [add here]
07:27.33Mcr_I know I have to erase the spaces...
07:27.46happlaHolyAvenger: my line look like this: deb http://ftp.port80.se/debian/ etch main contrib non-free
07:27.52\amethystMcr_:  tr -d ' '
07:27.59happlaHolyAvenger: you also add non-free and contrib to the line with security.debian.org
07:28.01Mcr_ok hold on
07:28.03RickyWhdoes anyone know the difference between these files?
07:28.16RickyWh/etc/bashrc     /etc/skel/.bashrc     /root/.bashrc
07:28.37neoticyup.
07:29.20Mcr_amethyst: I got an error
07:29.41Mcr_tr: only one string may be given when deleting without squeezing repeats
07:30.06happlaRickyWh: /etc/bashrc gets sources by the default .bashrc in your homefolder. /etc/skel/.bashrc gets kopied into the home folder of new users. /root/.bashrc is the bashrc of the root-user.
07:30.22HolyAvengerHappla: GREAT! IT WORKS! THANKS!
07:30.24happlas/kopied/copied/
07:30.31happlaHolyAvenger: hooray! \o/
07:30.54HolyAvengerHaha, if anyone from a few hours ago is still here and remembers my issue: I reinstalled xfce ... it works wonders. Gnome is still dead, though. =p
07:30.57RickyWhcool
07:31.02RickyWhhappla, thx
07:31.18catsup_how is everyone handling the lack of proper bash documentation in debian?
07:31.47happlacatsup_: We knew it from birth
07:31.51catsup_when i tried sourcing my .bashrc with zsh it segfaulted
07:32.01catsup_not encouraging
07:32.05HolyAvengerI don't know what THAT is=p but I get my help from Google and (when it gets just to hard to understand) from here. =O
07:32.54Mcr_Anybody help with base64 ?
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07:33.18happlaMcr_: what is your question?
07:33.38happlacatsup_: Why are you trying to do that. Sounds more like zsh is broken then bash.
07:33.56catsup_happla: i was trying to migrate from bash to zsh since bash no longer has proper documentation
07:34.18catsup_but i'm not going to use a shell that segfaults, of course
07:34.27Thasp<PROTECTED>
07:34.29Thaspgood, or bad?
07:34.33happlacatsup_: proper documentation? =)
07:34.42Mcr_happla: Im confused with this http://pastebin.com/m753214c8 cause I think its base64 but I dont know If i have to erase the v and 0-2-8-9 to make it base32
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07:35.17happlaMcr_: sorry, can't help you
07:35.29Mcr_happla: thx!
07:35.37catsup_i might still track down that zsh bug, but the fact that it's even there is discouraging
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07:39.31catsup_myself, i've been working for the past 5 years on a new computer system that is 65-bit
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07:39.59HolyAvengerHow can I kill the sc_serv (shoutcast) process?
07:40.04catsup_when it is complete it will be a revolution, obsoleting 64-bit systems made by amd and intel
07:40.24catsup_HolyAvenger: killall sc_serv
07:40.29HarisHello guys
07:40.32HolyAvenger[04:39] <catsup_> myself, i've been working for the past 5 years on a new computer system that is 65-bit <---- I lol'd so much that I actually farted =p
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07:42.06SebbohUh..  Ok, I turn the virtual machine off, I mount the filesystem elsewhere, I change /etc/hostname ..  Boot it back up, and /etc/hostname is back to how it was!!  wtf?!
07:43.51catsup_Sebboh: uh, that doesn't sound right
07:44.02catsup_Sebboh: what is the mtime on hostname?
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07:44.41Sebbohcatsup_: ahh, maybe the system is grabbing a hostname from dhcp?
07:44.59catsup_oh, possibly, debian doesn't do that by default tho
07:45.30catsup_it shouldn't rewrite /etc/hostname for that anyway, it should just call sethostname
07:45.32Sebboh.. no that's not it.  The router doesn't have any names assigned for that..
07:45.38HolyAvengerHow can I know which programs are using which ports?
07:45.53HolyAvenger(I'm tring to run sc_serv and it tells me there is another program using that port)
07:45.54Sebbohnetstat -p
07:46.01Thaspcompiling kernels on bitches now :]
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07:46.07Sebbohnetstat -anp is nice, too
07:46.12neoticSebboh: which virtualization?
07:46.19Sebbohxen
07:46.44neoticSebboh: check the conf for each VPS, maybe you set the hostname there ;)
07:47.04HolyAvengerOk, I want to know which one is using the 8000
07:47.10HolyAvengerhow do I do that?
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07:47.24neoticHolyAvenger: netstat -tap |grep 8000
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07:48.36Sebbohwhat is VPS?  That's the second time I've seen that term tonight..
07:48.48neoticvirtual private server
07:48.57neoticyour virtual environment
07:49.01neoticthe xen "guest"
07:49.22Thaspis rc-update remove default apache2 the way I'd get the init.d service to stop running at startup?
07:49.40Thaspor does that show what a gentoo using nub i am :(
07:49.57neoticthat's gentoo
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07:50.06neoticThasp: update-rc.d -f apache2 remove in debian
07:50.08Sebboh..Well, that doesn't exactly apply..  vps implies that I'd also be using the -vserver packages..  double checking the config files now although I'm pretty sure that it's not even possible for me to set a hostname there since I'm using hvm..
07:51.16Thaspneotic, is there a way i can see everything that it is booting up with so I can remove the rest of the crap from this install?
07:51.27Sebbohneotic: nope, not setting the hostname in the vm config.  Huh.  Now, where is it getting that hostname from?!?
07:51.40catsup_thasp: ls /etc/rc2.d/S*
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07:51.50neoticSebboh: hehe, good question
07:52.29catsup_Thasp: also, less /etc/init.d/README
07:54.42SebbohI did a file content search on /etc for old-hostname and the only matches were /etc/hostname (which I have now changed to new-hostname again) and /etc/ssh/ssh_host_[d|r]sa_key.pub ... Do those two files have anything to do with this?
07:55.43Sebbohhmm, what about the initrd?
07:55.54catsup_they don't
07:56.58neoticSebboh: not really
07:57.15neoticSebboh: search for your old hostname in /etc/?
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07:57.24Sebbohyes I did.
07:57.32SebbohI did a file content search on /etc for old-hostname and the only matches were /etc/hostname (which I have now changed to new-hostname again) and /etc/ssh/ssh_host_[d|r]sa_key.pub ... Do those two files have anything to do with this?
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07:58.19Sebbohso, mtime on /etc/hostname is 2:04am CST..  Rebooting...
07:58.34HolyAvengeris there a way to "auto-detect" which audio card I am using?
07:58.46HolyAvengerI need to download drivers, but I don't know how nor which
07:58.54SebbohHolyAvenger: lspci might tell you.
07:59.03Sebbohit's in the pcitools or pci-tools package I think
07:59.08HolyAvengerif it's an oboard card?
07:59.14Sebbohyes.
07:59.27HolyAvengercool
07:59.30HolyAvengerthanks
07:59.44SebbohEven onboard devices use pci, or, agp, or, something else.  They just can't be unplugged...
08:00.50Sebboh;)
08:01.46justme987654321anyone: I'm a long-time fedora user, and have been thinking of switching one of my systems over to deb.  Any other fedora->debian users out there, or tried both before?
08:03.28SebbohHow is is possible that there can be a long time user of a very young distro? :)  I must be getting old.
08:03.31justme987654321I'm just curious what kind of issues I might expect.  I typically run webserver, mailserver, dns, etc, and would expect a full set of services on the deb machine too.  I was not very satisfied with ubuntu when I tried it a bit ago.
08:03.39cmihaijustme987654321, sure, but I'll bet you'll have more luck with a more specific question.
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08:03.52niruI want lenny debian-installer source
08:04.03Sebbohhttp://d-i.debian.org
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08:04.14Sebbohwhoops
08:04.14niruwhen i give svn co svn://svn.debian.org/svn/d-i/branches/d-i/sid
08:04.16Sebbohdoesn't work.
08:04.20niruwhen i give svn co svn://svn.debian.org/svn/d-i/branches/d-i/lenny
08:04.31niruI get svn: URL 'svn://svn.debian.org/svn/d-i/branches/d-i/sid' doesn't exist
08:04.41justme987654321cmihai: Was that a bit more specific?
08:04.51Thasphttp://pastebin.ca/819932 <-- got this while compiling new kernel
08:05.08cmihaijustme987654321, still very vague. I mean, it's Linux, you run the same software.. I fail to see the problem.
08:05.28justme987654321I'll elaborate. ;) [thanks for your patience]
08:05.33cmihai(not to mention there's 4 times more packages in the Debian repositories then in Fedora's :P)
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08:06.12cmihaiAnd that Fedora isn't actually meant to be used in production systems...
08:06.13lunitikcmihai: Uhh... not exactly... only around 3,000 difference...
08:06.38lunitikActually, if you're only counting Etch, it's around the same amount...
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08:07.08lunitikcmihai: CentOS is the main server OS used in the Fedora community...
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08:07.32Sebbohniru, the parent directory of the url you provided does work, but, I don't know where in the repos the code you want lives.
08:07.56justme987654321I recently tried ubuntu.  It got a lot of hype.  Unfortunately, it had almost no "server" type programs installed, and I had to go in and install each program separately (even apache!).  It didn't even have a 'root' account initially.  No ssh server.  I was quite disappointed.  Since ubuntu seems to be a small fork/splinter of debian, I'm assuming that debian defaults to a much larger set of options.  Correct?
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08:08.33lunitikjustme987654321: Ubuntu is just Debian maintained for you  :/
08:08.34justme987654321(btw: I'm not in a production environment.  Not exactly.  These are for personal use)
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08:09.07cmihailunitik, I'm only counting official packages in the base repositories.
08:09.10justme987654321lunitik: Yeah, that's what seemed to be the case.  Nice, but not my style, personally.
08:09.11lunitikjustme987654321: Debian asks whether you wish to install server based stuff... it defaults to a Gnome based system if you just hit enter a bunch...
08:09.25Sebbohjustme987654321: personally, I prefer to manually select what packages I want in install.  But, yes, debian has a thing called tasksel which will allow you to hit checkboxes for 'webserver' 'mail server' etc.
08:09.27DawnLightanyone knows of a CMS that is truly flexible and powerful? allows the creation of forms, nodes, lists, workflows, actions, etc. and it shouldn't have to know the language it's written in
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08:09.36lunitikcmihai: So am I... Fedora merged Core and Extras a year ago now...
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08:10.17justme987654321Ok.  Fair enough.  I'll have to get off my lazy rear and try it out soon.
08:10.32cmihailunaphyte, that still makes it 8439
08:10.56cmihai(for FC 8)
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08:11.27amitprakashhow do i set socks proxy for aptitude in command line like "export http_proxy" for http???
08:11.49niruSebboh, but if i give sarge it works
08:11.54nirufor lenny it does not work
08:12.15lunitikcmihai: Fix your auto-complete...
08:12.17Sebbohniru, I think that you need to visit the d-i chatroom or wiki and find a map of that svn repos.  It's big.
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08:12.46niruSebboh, which one is d-i chat room
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08:13.01lunitikcmihai: Last I checked I seem to recall around twice that... they are up to 20-something CD's if you wanted to do that... Debian is 22 I think...
08:13.01cmihailunitik, hey, 3 letters for autocomplete is more then enough. You should get a different nick :P
08:13.08Sebbohniru, check the wiki?
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08:13.19lunitikcmihai: No seriously... what IRC client you use?
08:13.21Sebbohniru, I think that there is a chatroom, but I'm not sure.
08:13.50lunitikcmihai: Any non-crap IRC client will prompt or scroll through nicks matching your request...
08:13.50cmihai-cmihai- VERSION xchat 2.6.8 Linux 2.6.18-5-amd64 [x86_64/2.01GHz]
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08:14.00cmihaiIs this one of those USE irssi / ERC or die conversations?
08:14.05Sebbohlunitik: it's not the auto-complete's fault.  It's the user, I'm sure, right cmihai ? ;)
08:14.29lunitikcmihai: Eh, I don't know it off heart... but there is an option to allow XChat to be more intelligent about auto-complete... it's hidden though...
08:14.49lunitikSomewhere in /set options
08:14.56cmihaiMeh :-)
08:15.03justme987654321There are 11K packages on a stock F8 system. (yum list | grep -vhcs sijsijsijsij)
08:15.09Sebbohlunitik: There is an option, it's called pay attention and use backspace when needed.
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08:15.31lunitikSebboh: Or just use the given features... and be lazy... either or
08:15.38justme987654321amitprakash: I'm not sure if I know the answer to your question, but I might be able to tell you about some proxy settings.
08:15.46cmihaiHeh, so much feedback for a wrong autocomplete.
08:15.50Sebbohjustme, you mean yum list| wc -l ?
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08:16.00justme987654321:)
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08:16.06Sebbohcmihai: too much, agreed! :)
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08:16.24lunitikSebboh: No one asked you to chime in  ;)
08:17.04justme987654321I just happened to memorize that particular one some time ago.
08:17.07SebbohRight back at ya, chief.
08:17.32lunitikSebboh: The mistake was directed at me... and I find it annoying...
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08:17.59cmihaiOh my.. I'd better not make some spelling error or I'm dead.
08:18.24CanDoohow doi undelete files on a ext3 HD
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08:18.29lunitikcmihai: Well, XChat doesn't have a spell checker, so that is excuse enough  :)
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08:18.43Sebbohlunitik: speaking of annoying, my screen flashes everytime someone says my name in here.  Please keep it to a minimum, especially when it has nothing to do with linux.
08:19.10catsup_CanDoo: first, umount the fs; the longer it remains mounted, the less the chance of recovering the deleted file
08:19.10cmihailunitik, actually, it does. It just doesn't work by default... :-).
08:19.17lunitikCanDoo: e2undel or recover and a lot of praying.
08:19.40cmihaiProbably needs ispell/aspell/something. Time to check :-).
08:19.47Sebbohyou can remount it ro, too.
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08:20.11cmihaiYep. Install aspell && restart XChat :-)
08:20.12lunitikSebboh: How would that restore a file that was already removed?
08:20.31Sebbohlunitik, hm?  It wouldn't, obviously.
08:20.47CanDooit's ext3
08:21.28cmihaiCanDoo, well, you have 2 options here.
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08:21.29lunitikCanDoo: ext3 == ext2 with journeling hacked on top
08:21.58cmihaiIf it was _really_ important you should shut everything down (from the button), mount the disk read only from another disk or LiveCD, and make a dd image of the disk
08:22.02Sebbohremount ro is just a quick way to stop writing to the filesystem.  .. Isn't it possible to do that while the system is up and running?  Often useful if you're using your computer to chat with people about how to recover the file. :)
08:22.18lunitikCanDoo: Use one of the tools I listed... like catsup_ says, the longer you leave it, the more likely the journel will be rewritten and it'll be gone for good.
08:22.20cmihaiThen you can use Digital Forensic tools on that image, like file carving tools.
08:22.24catsup_ext3fs has 1 journal, ext2fs has zero journals, and extfs has -1 journals
08:22.25Sebbohcmihai suggested very good advice there.
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08:22.52HolyAvengerSilicon Integrated Systems [SiS] AC'97 <----- I have that sound card, how do I install it's drivers?
08:23.03cmihaiI was recently (today) able to dig out about 48 GB of files via file carving from my 160GB disk.. it was formatted and had another OS installed on top of an ext3 partition... still managed to get back some data.
08:23.20zinxHolyAvenger: are you sure they're not already installed?
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08:23.27HolyAvengernope =p
08:23.30lunitikHolyAvenger: It's likely an intel8x0 based device... try turning the volume up first though.
08:24.23lunitikHolyAvenger: If that still doesn't do it... lsmod | grep snd and paste the result somewhere if there are any.
08:24.24HolyAvengercannot connect to sound daemon. Please run "esd" at a command prompt
08:24.53zinxHolyAvenger: that's saying esd isn't running, not that you don't have sound.. what application is giving that error?
08:25.06HolyAvengervolume meter
08:25.45lunitikHolyAvenger: Try what I said in a terminal please.
08:25.47zinxHolyAvenger: try a mixer instal, such as gnome-alsamixer or whatever
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08:25.55zinxerh, instead not instal
08:26.07CanDooall i have to boot the machine with is a sarge debian 3.1 CD and it done'st have ex2undel or recover on it
08:26.21HolyAvengerHas anyone EVER used a Shoutcast of sorts on Debian?
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08:26.31zinxHolyAvenger: yes.
08:26.38cmihaiCanDoo, how important is your file?
08:26.40zinxHolyAvenger: not me, but plenty of people have.
08:26.42lunitikHolyAvenger: I've used Shoutcast, and messed around with IceCast
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08:26.46cmihaiCanDoo, would you waste 12 hours to recover it?
08:26.53HolyAvengerI'm going crazy right now
08:26.55HolyAvengerwith it
08:26.58HolyAvengerI can't get it to work
08:26.59CanDooi deleted everything from / down to the c's
08:27.01HolyAvengerhttp://84.16.227.109:8000/
08:27.02CanDooboot is gone
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08:27.12zinxHolyAvenger: what are you trying to shoutcast?
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08:27.22cmihaiCanDoo, don't expect to recover everything then. If it's only Debian, just reinstall.
08:27.23HolyAvengermusic
08:27.24catsup_CanDoo: you can't recover all that
08:27.30sepCanDoo, you can't simply undelete on a ext3 filesystem,
08:27.39cmihaiCanDoo, if you have critical data (not OpenSource you can just reinstall), then image the disk.
08:27.44CanDoowhat if i reinstalled debian to another HD
08:27.50catsup_heh, i hate to tell someone named CanDoo what he can't do
08:27.56gener1c"patch ma ass and call me lenny"
08:27.56CanDoothen copies everything off this HD overtop the new HD?
08:28.13cmihaiThat would mess up permissions and MAC times :P
08:28.14CanDooi really apprecate the help
08:28.16sepCanDoo, can't you just reinstall, but keep your /home partition ?
08:28.19HolyAvengerSo, does anyone know why it says Server is down?
08:28.28HolyAvengerI have xmms running
08:28.30HolyAvengerplaying a song
08:28.37cmihaiCanDoo, again, _what_ data did you lose? Just your Debian install or did you lose documents and stuff you NEED?
08:28.38CanDooyeah i had made a crap load of scripts and things
08:28.38HolyAvengeri have shoutcast running
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08:28.45CanDooi cna't even remember the names of
08:28.51cmihaiCanDoo, were those deleted?
08:28.57gener1chumz
08:29.02CanDoono thoes are there
08:29.09CanDoobut i can't remember the names to grab them
08:29.28cmihaiCanDoo, then just copy those to another disks (usually your home directory) and reinstall Debian.
08:29.28gener1cu want to start a bloody podcast but my soundcard supports inly output on linux
08:29.28gener1cweird stuff
08:29.34sepCanDoo, boot a livecd-  take backup of your userdata, and reinstall.
08:29.38HolyAvengerI'm using liveice on xmms
08:29.42HolyAvengerand shoutcast
08:29.43CanDoook
08:29.48CanDoothank you for your advice
08:29.56sepCanDoo, and do proper backups of /home
08:30.02CanDoohehe
08:30.04CanDoono kidding
08:30.20HolyAvengerBut I'm pretty much on dark ground on this shoutcast thing
08:30.42gener1call u need is xmms pukgin m8
08:30.46lunitikHolyAvenger: I have no idea, sorry... for me, XMMS died years ago.
08:31.08CanDoothe only CD i have is a debian 3.1
08:31.09gener1cxmss is sexy
08:31.10CanDoohehe
08:31.11HolyAvengerI have sc_serv running on port 8000, xmms playing the song (xmms HAS the plugin runnin and configured)
08:31.16gener1cif you want help with it tho go to slack
08:31.17HolyAvengeranything else?
08:31.18CanDooit's gona be a slow upgrade process
08:31.18lunitikHell, most distro's don't even carry it anymore because it hasn't been maintained since 03 or something
08:31.45HolyAvengerSo... any other player I can use for this shoutcast thing?
08:31.54lunitikgener1c: You just suggested switching distro's to get help about XMMS?
08:31.55gener1csuppose to work man
08:32.00gener1cno
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08:32.11gener1cchannle name!
08:32.24lunitikgener1c: Or he could try #xmms  :/
08:32.25gener1cslackware has xmms man as a default
08:32.34gener1cppl there will prolly be able to help him alot more
08:32.39gener1coh heh
08:32.51gener1cbut then he whould just be called a noob i presume
08:32.56HolyAvengerThing is
08:33.02HolyAvengerI don't even know where the error is
08:33.03gener1clike i look right now
08:33.03HolyAvenger=/
08:33.09lunitikgener1c: Better than being utterly off topic
08:33.18gener1clmfao
08:33.47gener1cit was an excuse to save myself from public humiliation
08:33.48lunitikHolyAvenger: IceCast or Flumotion are a lot easier to use...
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08:33.58HolyAvengericecast is ... ?
08:34.00HolyAvengera player?
08:34.21lunitikHolyAvenger: No... both are Media Streaming Servers... what you actually want...
08:34.48HolyAvengerWhy can't a find a decent guide on google about streaming with Debian? ='(
08:35.22gener1cIntel Corporation 82801G (ICH7 Family) High Definition Audio Controller (rev 01) ..... does anybody here use that soundcard?
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08:35.40HolyAvengerwait ... isn't IceCast .ogg only?
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08:36.15catsup_doesn't icecast predate ogg?
08:36.22lunitikHolyAvenger: No.
08:36.45amitprakashgener1c, i do
08:36.54lunitikcatsup_: Yes, IceCast is the open source release of what WinAmp and Shoutcast.com use to stream things... I explained that earlier, however I was apparently ignored.
08:36.59amitprakashokay no wait.. i use ICH8
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08:37.15gener1c<amitprakash> did you figure out how to get the input to work?
08:37.26gener1ci dont get output
08:37.30amitprakashit auto configured itself for me
08:37.35HolyAvengerwell
08:37.37gener1cah  crap
08:37.37HolyAvengerI need to sleep
08:37.39gener1calsa?
08:37.44HolyAvengerI'm sooo not on the mood to google
08:37.46catsup_if you want to stream sound, why not just share your mp3s with nfs?
08:37.46HolyAvenger5.37 am here
08:37.52amitprakashgener1c, yes
08:38.07HolyAvenger<catsup_> if you want to stream sound, why not just share your mp3s with nfs? <--- ???
08:38.07gener1c<amitprakash> toda
08:38.28amitprakashtoda ????
08:38.33catsup_HolyAvenger: from where to where do you want to stream?
08:38.41lunitikHolyAvenger: His suggestion isn't really possible... although they could access the files.
08:38.41gener1cyou have an israelie name , nvm
08:38.42HolyAvengerfrom my server to my computer
08:38.59amitprakashgener1c, no i dont :@
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08:39.08gener1camit means friend
08:39.09catsup_lunitik: it is!  although i didn't mean it at the time, heh
08:39.17catsup_HolyAvenger: they're on a lan?
08:39.22amitprakashgener1c, well in my language amit means infinity :S
08:39.24HolyAvengerNo
08:39.28gener1cprakash looks like parkash which is an israelie surname
08:39.29HolyAvengerinternet conection
08:39.33lunitikcatsup_: Not in the way IceCast or Flumotion work...
08:39.37catsup_still, you can use nfs to make the files on one available on the other
08:39.44HolyAvengerI might check flumotion tomorrow.
08:39.44amitprakashand prakash means light :S
08:39.47gener1clol
08:39.51gener1cinfinite light!!
08:39.53gener1cleet
08:39.56amitprakash:P
08:39.58Sebboh:)
08:40.01solarwind_amitprakash looks like an indian name
08:40.02gener1c:D
08:40.07amitprakashsolarwind_, indeed
08:40.12solarwind_namaste
08:40.13solarwind_:)
08:40.19SebbohHe ain't from Jersey, that's for sure! :D
08:40.19gener1cmarakesh like
08:40.20amitprakashnamaste :)
08:40.50gener1ckrishnas! yay!
08:40.55catsup_HolyAvenger: would you stream at the full bitrate or re-encode?
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08:40.58amitprakashlol
08:41.06amitprakashgener1c, u cant get o/p from card?
08:41.13gener1cnope
08:41.15catsup_if you're going to stream static files at their full bitrate, you really might as well use nfs.
08:41.23gener1ci dont think its a prob with the mic
08:41.30HolyAvenger<catsup_> HolyAvenger: would you stream at the full bitrate or re-encode? <----- 24kbps
08:41.40catsup_HolyAvenger: that does not answe rthe question
08:41.44gener1cose things dont  dont even have f/w
08:41.48amitprakashgener1c, the problem is with i/p to sound card or o/p from card?
08:41.53HolyAvengermmmh
08:42.01HolyAvengerI download .mp3 to my server
08:42.03gener1co/p
08:42.09gener1ci/n
08:42.11HolyAvengerserver streams to 4 people
08:42.19gener1ci get o/p
08:42.20HolyAvengerwhich will conect to it via winamp
08:42.22catsup_i'm not nearly drunk enough
08:42.28gener1cprob is with the i/p
08:42.28gener1chumz
08:42.30SebbohI don't use nfs, because it's weird.  ssh+nullcipher sounds tasty, but debian doesn't include the nullcipher.. :(
08:42.35gener1cim hungover
08:42.41amitprakashgener1c, lemme see,,, i think there was a fix
08:42.50catsup_Sebboh: you might want to look into sshfs
08:43.08catsup_(i have no idea what nullcipher is)
08:43.20gener1cand i get weird clicks in the output but that is another issue
08:43.36HolyAvengerwell
08:43.38HolyAvengerI'm off to sleep
08:43.42Sebbohcatsup_: that's what I'm talking about.  nullcipher = encryption option for ssh that results in zero encryption being used..  Good for lans.  Lower electricity bill. ;)
08:43.44gener1cnightynight
08:43.47HolyAvengerI hope tomorrow is a new day
08:43.49catsup_oh
08:43.53gener1cit will be
08:43.55HolyAvengerI'm since saturday trying to make it work =S
08:43.55gener1ci promise
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08:44.12HolyAvengerI meant better, not new =p
08:44.21gener1cheh i know :D
08:44.29SebbohAnd you still promise?
08:44.30HolyAvengerI promise it will be the 18th
08:44.33catsup_well, HolyAvenger
08:44.37gener1cnope
08:44.43Sebbohoh. ;)
08:44.44catsup_in order to be better, it will have to be new, or at least old
08:44.47gener1ci was clinical
08:44.49gener1ci think!?
08:44.52catsup_in any case, different
08:44.54amitprakashgener1c, all i have is for ich8 .. https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Gutsy_Intel_HD_Audio_Controller
08:44.58SebbohSarcastic, perhaps.
08:45.00gener1ccynical
08:45.10gener1cim not sarcastic eva
08:45.11catsup_myself, i hope tomorrow is yesterday
08:45.14gener1cwell i am
08:45.17Sebbohlo, certainly not clinical.
08:45.17gener1cand i lie sometimes
08:45.36gener1ccheers amitprakash
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08:45.40solarwind_as dr. house says: everybody lies
08:45.45solarwind_heh
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08:45.59HolyAvenger"tomorrow will be better, otherwise just burn the server and reinstall everything" (Yes, because that WILL fix things on Debian as it does on Windows)
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08:46.31amitprakashlol gener1c ur question has been unanswered in the forums since mar,2006
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08:46.48HolyAvengerNOW I'm off
08:46.52HolyAvengerbye
08:47.05HolyAvenger. /zzzzzzz
08:47.38catsup_cretans never lie
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08:48.56justme987654321well.  No time like the present.  booting debian DVD 1 of 3...
08:49.16RainbowWcan i change a user's name without changing their uid just by editing /etc/passwd?
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08:49.54catsup_RainbowW: yes
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08:50.05catsup_oh wait
08:50.14lunitikcatsup_: You were right.
08:50.15catsup_i read that backwards
08:50.22catsup_RainbowW: you will need to edit the groups too
08:50.22lunitikYou just can't change a password etc...
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08:50.57catsup_and the shadow
08:51.20catsup_(to change the uid and not the name, you only need to edit passwd)
08:51.24RainbowWcatsup_: yeah i saw that.  and renamed the homedir to match.  but otherwise there appear to be no ill effects.  shadow? oh, they should be able to log in when this is done?  ;-)
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08:55.54catsup_hm, probably the right way to change a username w/o changing uid is just to add another user with the same uid, then delete the first user
08:55.57justme987654321Does debian normally have a text-only installer?
08:56.04catsup_justme987654321: yes
08:56.16justme987654321Ok.
08:56.44fredldoes anybody know if totem can use the xvmc video driver?
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08:58.06fredlwith mplayer I typically use xvmc but I've been trying to find anything about it in the config for totem and no luck at all
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08:58.21catsup_fredl: google does
08:59.17fredlwell ofcourse I googled it first :)
08:59.24catsup_um
09:00.01catsup_well i didn't even know what xvmc was, but i searched xvmc totem and found out not only what xvmc is, but what to put in ~/.gnome2/totem_config to enable it
09:00.16catsup_what did you search?
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09:00.36fredlxvmc totem ofcourse and I found that same page :)
09:01.21catsup_ummm
09:01.26catsup_surreal
09:02.53justme987654321Arg.
09:03.37catsup_pft
09:03.43erikjajoin #ds101-linux
09:03.48catsup_rescue disks are for the weak
09:04.14fredlcatsup_: I don't have a .gnome2/totem_config
09:04.31justme987654321ok.  Using "fdisk -l" on the debian DVD returns only one of 2 drives, and even after wiping all the partitions, says I have a raid partition.
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09:05.45catsup_justme987654321: fdisk lists the partition table on a disk
09:06.06catsup_you need to run it twice to get it to list two disks
09:06.07fredland there appears to be no way to find out if totem even reads that file.
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09:06.47justme987654321catsup_: Yes, but it's missing /dev/sdb entirely, and insists that /dev/md0 exists, even though I wiped out every raid partition I could (but I can't see /dev/sdb, so I can't wipe that one).
09:07.33WingLets say that I want to scan my filesystem for broken symlinks. How?
09:07.44justme987654321's ok, I'm just gonna wipe the partitions and start over with a clean slate. :)
09:08.17catsup_the file /dev/md0 might exist, but that doesn't mean that there is a raid device; mdadm -Q /dev/md0 ill tell you whether it's a device
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09:08.44rio_ola
09:10.48justme987654321*swoosh* (that was the sound of 1tb getting flushed)
09:11.11justme987654321Now lets try that over again, when we're all clean & fresh. :)
09:11.28catsup_Wing: find -type l -L
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09:12.21ThoMehello
09:12.23ThoMeand good morning!
09:12.27catsup_justme987654321: how did you 'flush'?
09:12.35ThoMehow i can move a window in a screen von place 4 to place 2 ?
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09:13.24Wingcatsup_: Invalid predicate -L ?
09:13.30justme987654321catsup_: "fdisk /dev/sda", then "d", "1", (repeat 3 times), "w".  Ditto for sdb.
09:13.44catsup_you said there was no sdb
09:13.54justme987654321I used the fedora rescue disk to wipe them.
09:13.58catsup_oh well
09:14.11justme987654321For some reason, the deb install disk didn't want to see them.  Now, I'm starting reinstall of deb.
09:14.30catsup_Wing: man, how stupid is 'find'?  it wants 'find -L -type l'
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09:15.45justme987654321Hey, I think it's goin now. :D
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09:16.21Wingcatsup_: Yeah, really. I can't remember the last time I used find that didn't require a visit to the manpage over some retarded syntax issue
09:16.34catsup_"The three `real' options `-H', `-L' and `-P' must appear before  the  first path name, if at all."
09:17.00justme987654321Whatcha trying to get find to do?
09:17.05catsup_wtf?  they must have specifically added special code for those options to require that
09:17.16catsup_who would do such a thing?
09:17.26justme987654321n/m, ic
09:17.36WingAnd then it goes and gets stuck in a recursive symlink!
09:17.46catsup_hm
09:17.58Wing"FILESYSTEM LOOP DETECTED!!!"
09:18.10WingSo they detect it and don't LEAVE it
09:18.30catsup_heh
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09:18.46harpalI have set dhcp in /etc/network/interfaces than DHCP server assign ip to me. but I have many entry of ipaddress and other fields in /var/lib/dhcp3/dhclient.eth1.leases
09:18.51catsup_Wing: hm, i have a program on my system called 'cleanlinks', do you?
09:19.04Capkirkhowto find which command belongs to which packages? fx if i want to find out which packages the command ps is a part of?
09:19.20catsup_Capkirk: dpkg -S ps
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09:19.29catsup_Capkirk: or dpkg -S $(which ps)
09:19.30Capkirkcatsup_: super! thanks
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09:20.42Wingcatsup_: Yeah, but that's destructive. I just want to see them so I can follow them up.
09:21.11justme987654321Yay.  Base system installing.  Musta done something right.
09:21.12Wing(I have a server that symlinked to a bunch of .jar files that I don't have and am sick of discovering them one at a time as I install applications that use them)
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09:21.21b0rsukHey, I need to compile something. Kernel source packages used to be called kernel-source-ver.sion.number . But I can't find kernel-source in Lenny or Etch. Is there a new naming convention or what ?
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09:22.35toicontentob0rsuk, more like linux-source......
09:22.44b0rsukhmm, let's see
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09:23.42catsup_Wing: well, i don't know, unless this works: find -P -xtype l
09:23.52b0rsuktoicontento : Yes, that seems to be it. Thanks !
09:24.03toicontento:)
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09:25.34Wingcatsup: That appears to have done it.
09:25.36BadHorsiei'm getting this error message: "error: cannot find X11 development files" but xorg-dev is already installed...
09:25.39Wingcatsup_: Thanks man
09:25.43catsup_np
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09:26.55justme987654321Eh?  I've got 3 DVD's for debian, and it's trying to download?
09:27.01justme987654321Strange.
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09:28.00catsup_it needs to authorize the copy w/ msft
09:28.01sepjustme987654321, you probably configured network repos in the sources list then, or perhaps it's a newer package from security. or you failed to add all 3 dvd's to apt
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09:28.28justme987654321*shrug*  I just stuck the 1st one in, and hit "go".
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09:28.42catsup_duh
09:28.54catsup_'go' gets packages from the internet
09:28.58catsup_'stay' gets them from dvd
09:29.04justme987654321lol
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09:29.19justme987654321What's "heel" do? (yeah, it's late)
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09:29.33sepjustme987654321, man apt-cdrom to learn how to register your dvd's with apt.  edit /etc/apt/sources.list to remove network repos if you want want to dl from the net, I'd recoment keeping security enabeled. besides if you have a fast net you want to download anyway since it's a hassle to have to use optical media
09:30.14justme987654321Well, it's only got less than 100 pkgs to go, so I guess it'll just run for a short time (says 20 mins remaingin)
09:31.09justme987654321sep: system isn't running yet, it's doing the DVD install.  Nothing to edit, yet (unless you meant to break to shell on a vt, and edit something there)
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09:31.25catsup_heel, surely, halts the installation mid-way
09:32.01justme987654321eh.  Knowing myself, I probably told the thing "heel, go stay there."
09:33.15justme987654321wow.  Fast 20 minutes.  Down to 5 now.
09:33.41justme987654321Argh!  Now back to 40.
09:33.49justme987654321*sigh*  I need coffee.
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09:35.17ruthhi i want help on logcheck
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09:35.34ruthanyone please help me
09:35.34riaaldoes cron run as root?
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09:36.27riaalI need to run a dhcp request on bootup, anyone have a sugestion?
09:36.56ruthHow to see other system log files using logcheck?
09:37.21justme987654321riaal: "run a dhcp request on bootup"?  Do you mean to get an address?
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09:38.52ruthjustme987654321:How to see other system log files using logcheck?
09:39.10riaaljustme987654321: yeh, my server has a hardware failure and even thow its running on UPS power ut rebots now and then, I have configured bios to reboot it but it doesn't run any dhcp request
09:39.36justme987654321ruth: I have no idea.
09:39.49ruthjustme987654321:ok
09:40.05justme987654321riaal: Well, I'm not sure how it works on debian (I'm new), but it might be 'dhcp-client'.
09:40.19erpoIf I want to build a standard ./configure; make; make install project with debug symbols, how do I do this?
09:40.37riaaljustme987654321: no its not, its dhclient, but I want it to run automaticly
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09:40.54riaalerpo: cmake?
09:41.03justme987654321ok.  Is it enabled for this runlevel?
09:41.09justme987654321(I think you can check it with chkconfig)
09:41.20harpalHow would I know that my dhcp assigned ip should be renewed?
09:41.50justme987654321harpal: Your computer should do it automatically.
09:41.59ThurynHi
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09:47.32harpaljustme987654321, ok. but I would like to know that because I have one application which depends on it so when ip renewed I have to change ip for that application
09:49.21justme987654321harpal: I'm not sure.  I'm only familiar with dhcp from the server end (I only use it client side for windows usually), but not the client on linux.  There's probably a hook in dhclient, or _maybe_ hal.  I'm not sure.
09:50.05harpalok. but thanks for your help
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09:52.13justme987654321harpal: Does "dhclient-script" answer any of your questions? (check the man page for that, it looked promising when I scanned it for a second)
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09:53.20harpalI havent checked that but I am checking now.
09:53.45fredlanybody have some experience with the courier imapd ?
09:54.03harpalwhen we do dhcp and than restart networking than dhclient-script is called?
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09:54.38justme987654321harpal: I don't know.  I was just scanning various dhclient related manpages, and came across that one.  It looked like it might do what you wanted.
09:54.53harpalI can get ip and other information from from file /va/lib/dhcp3/dhclient.eth1.leases
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09:55.42justme987654321Right, but you wanted something to notify you when it got new ones, right?  Not just poll values looking for changes.  Right?
09:55.57harpalya
09:56.16justme987654321Like I said, quick scan that I did, it looks like that's what that part does. :)
09:56.37harpalok I am checking
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09:58.10happlaI hate windows...
09:59.05karmatronichappla: how come :9
09:59.16happlakarmatronic: oh man it sux =)
09:59.25happlakarmatronic: everything about it =)
09:59.42karmatronichappla: well windows 3.x was ok
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10:00.08happlakarmatronic: exactly what was ok with it?
10:00.11karmatronichappla: as long as you dont acced the web,windows is fine
10:00.33karmatronichappla: no , i cant.....I HATE windows too !!!!
10:01.04eth01!windows
10:01.04dpkgPCs are like air conditioners, if you open Windows(R) they don't work.
10:01.04happlakarmatronic: haha
10:01.05konadrwindows is cool
10:01.05happlaeth01: heeh
10:01.05happlaI have 20 windows-boxes here
10:01.05happlaas a renderfarm
10:01.05wols_karmatronic: as long as you don't use Microsoft apps to access any tcpip port you are fine
10:01.05eth01good for you.
10:01.07toicontentopoor happla
10:01.24happlaand the license-software locks the license when I login via terminal services - so everytime I do something - I have to reboot =)
10:01.31wols_happla: why? wouldn't a linux renderfarm be better and cheaper?
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10:01.43wols_I thought all high end renderer are available on linux
10:01.47happlawols_: yes, it is
10:02.05happlawols_: HOWEVER it's don't look exactly the same rendering in mixed enviroments
10:02.15happlawols_: etc. etc. and it sux and poor me etc. =)
10:02.33eth013 etc'
10:02.34wols_what you mean? "doesn't look exactly the same"?
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10:02.49justme987654321Is "control-alt-F1" the hotkey in debian to go from xwindows to the first text VT?
10:02.52happlawols_: if you render on windows and on linux - the frames might be slight off in certain conditions
10:02.57eth01don't place standard English with just 'etc'
10:03.09wols_happla: well that's why you render all on the linux only renderfarm, no?
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10:03.17happlawols_: but our workstations is windows
10:03.32wols_so, you don't render there I thought. display only?
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10:04.31fredl_damnit, is courier-imapd broken in lenny but not in sid?
10:04.46fredl_I'm just reading this: http://www.mail-archive.com/debian-bugs-closed@lists.debian.org/msg152685.html
10:04.49wols_fredl_: new mailserver?
10:05.19fredl_wols - nah, I had a working courier-imapd setup in sid and after last night's downgrading actions it suddenly stopped working
10:05.38eth01have you restarted IMAP?
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10:05.54fredl_turns out that the error message (had to snoop it with wireshark) is: BYE [ALERT] Fatal error: Account's mailbox directory is not owned by the correct uid or gid: No such file or directory
10:06.04fredl_eth01 - yeah I have.
10:06.16wols_fredl_: no it's not. the "closed" should be a hint
10:07.13fredl_wols_ indeed. be that as it may, I get that error.
10:07.13justme987654321My display isn't coming up (no signal), so I'm guessing X is freaking out.  How do I get a text-only vt so I can check things out?  I can see that the machine is alive (I can get a response on port 80), but sshd isn't running, so I can't remote in.
10:07.42wols_there is also a solution in the report
10:07.59wols_justme987654321: ctrl+alt+f1
10:08.22fredl_you mean that at the bottom, changing the main group?
10:08.28wols_yes
10:08.29justme987654321wols_: Hm.  I tried that.  Nada.  Guess I'll have to try control-alt-bksp.
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10:09.47fredl_well I'll see if that fixes something but for now I can't really put that 'solution' in the proper context.
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10:13.16justme987654321"Screen 0 is not DRI capable"?  Odd.
10:13.52PeteBHi. How do I get Etch's or Testing's GNOME wifi network settings to allow me to enter a WPA passphrase, both just have an option for 'WEP key'?
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10:13.56wols_justme987654321: what debian version and what videodriver?
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10:14.22wols_PeteB: use wpa_supplicant and go interfaces editing
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10:15.12justme987654321wols_: 4.0r1, unsure of the video driver....
10:15.29PeteBwols_: thanks. So, I can't do it from the GNOME UI, I have to hand edit /etc/network/interfaces, is that right?
10:15.41justme987654321xorg.conf says "vesa".
10:16.17wols_justme987654321: doubt the DRI part is the real error
10:17.05justme987654321Dunno.  After it booted last time, I had nothing, and couldn't even get a text screen.
10:17.11fredl_wols - hmm. I'm using a postfix virtual mail setup so the whole mailspool directory is owned by a userid that's not the userid of the user trying to access the email.
10:17.48justme987654321I found the error message you just mentioned in the gdm/:0.log file.
10:17.59wols_justme987654321: check your Xorg log
10:18.29fredl_so I really don't see  how setting the main group of 'the user' (I would presume that would be 'vmail') to something would resolve the problem.
10:18.53fredl_wols - the vmail user is only in one group to begin with, namely 'vmail'
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10:19.41fredl_The cause seems that imapd incorrectly uses and checks group as the first
10:19.41fredl_found in user's groups in /etc/group
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10:20.03fredl_now.. that's a 'bug' I'd say...
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10:20.23fredl_this: Setting it to chips (=1000) resolved the problem. is a workaround
10:20.27justme987654321wols_: It's rebooting.  I'll have to wait for a minute to check around.
10:21.15peter_good morning ;0
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10:25.46sepis there a tool (preferably in debian) that allow me to do inventory of cables, junctions, patches, fuses of fiberoptic cables. we have a spagetti of fibers some owned some rented, and some traded, fused together in a horrible fashion. and we need to find a common tool to visualize it in.
10:26.42happlasep: dia
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10:30.18fredl_wols - wouldn't you agree that it's a bug in courier-imapd ?
10:30.29wols_probably
10:30.30fredl_a bug that's been closed with a flaky workaround.
10:30.57fredl_I mean the workaround only works (apparently) in one specific situation.
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10:31.36fredl_I'm a bit at a loss as the vmail directories get created by postfix, they're all vmail:vmail owned
10:32.06fredl_but there are also some directories in there that have vmail:fredl ownerships, those are apparently created by imapd
10:32.14sephappla, would get too large too quickly
10:32.28happlasep: ok
10:32.51toicontentofredl_, it's a long time i used courier-imap, but i had not problem with it and used it with postfix with a vmail user/group, every thing worked ok.
10:32.56fredl_mind you, this worked fine on sid. I'm affraid I'm looking into doing a 'simple' :) backport of courier-imapd as well
10:32.58sepi mean a tool makde for the task, today i use a wiki, one of my colebarators use visio, and 2 others use excel
10:33.10justme987654321Ok.  Now I've got an ssh server running on the box, so I should be able to go poke around from this computer when it reboots.
10:33.16happlasep: dia == visio =)
10:33.21happlasep: but I get your point
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10:33.37fredl_toicontento, yeah it worked fine for me too for quite a while, don't worry :) problem is I just downgraded some stuff from sid -> lenny
10:33.44happlasep: I dont think the problem is the tool - I think the problem for you is structure
10:34.36fredl_toicontento, and it used to work fine on sid but it broke when I downgraded to lenny
10:34.44SPFwhere goes output of bash -x? not stdout or stderr
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10:35.11fredl_what's that url where I can see when a sid package will be moved to testing?
10:35.22doudouhi when i try gpg --keyserver wwwkeys.pgp.net --recv-keys 0x517D0F0E it never works
10:35.55sephappla, yes and the even the authors have problem following the fuses in his visio drawings, there is no structure, and wont be for the next decade.
10:36.00toicontentoi'v switched to dbmail and dovecot in other installs, dovecot is probably what i will select  on every new install
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10:36.15happlasep: hehe, sounds like heaven =)
10:36.46happlasep: I personally would try to break it down to sub-sections - then make detailed schemes for each section then make a master scheme with meta-boxes for each section
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10:37.09fredl_dbmail?
10:37.26sephappla, there are dozens of tools. ulticam, brady, cablepro, telsoft. but they are all windows and not online
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10:37.55happlasep: yes yes
10:38.04fredl_Hmm I 'fixed' the problem by chmod -R vmail.vmail /home/vmail/...
10:38.23fredl_interesting.
10:38.38justme987654321Well, the only error showing in /var/log/Xorg.0.log is: (EE) AIGLX: Screen 0 is not DRI capable
10:39.02b0rsukHey, what's your favourite GUI-based music player ? Mostly for KDE . I'm looking for something _smaller_ than Amarok . I like programs that do one thing and do it well. beep-media-player was somewhat nice, but also annoying. XMMS - not sure about it, I think it's a bit outdated ?
10:39.03toicontentojustme987654321, vesa is not and will not be  'DRI' capable
10:39.03justme987654321The machine _is_ up, I'm logged into it now via ssh.
10:39.12fredl_b0rsuk, amarok
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10:39.24karmatronicjustme987654321: well that would just disables 3D
10:39.27fredl_:)
10:39.32fredl_I love amarok
10:39.33b0rsukfredl_ : Amarok is not smaller than Amarok
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10:39.39lunitikhappla: Nah... Dia == crap... Kivio == Visio  ;)
10:39.51fredl_well you can use rhythmbox
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10:40.01karmatronicb0rsuk: xmms2 , exaile,
10:40.02b0rsukI just want to listen to music ! Amarok is trying to have more features than emacs
10:40.07lunitikExaile is like Amarok, but GTK
10:40.08karmatronicbornholme: mplayer,vlc
10:40.09fredl_but I think rhythmbox kinda sucks, well it doesnt, but it does compared to amarok
10:40.15b0rsukxmms _2_ ?
10:40.16karmatroniclunitik: smaller too
10:40.27b0rsukhmm
10:40.51fredl_I just made amarok store it's database in mysql
10:40.57karmatronicxmms2 is with client/server model
10:41.00lunitikb0rsuk: XMMS2 is network enabled XMMS... it's what the XMMS guys are up to these days
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10:41.08justme987654321Well, if it's not the DRI problem, any ideas as to why I have no display?  I can't even control-alt-F1, or control-alt-bksp to get a text-only VT.  Only way I can do that is reboot, and go single-user.
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10:41.26lunitikb0rsuk: XMMS itself stopped being maintained around 2003
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10:41.43fredl_lunitik, which was a pity coz I loved xmms
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10:42.17toicontentojustme987654321, what video card you you have ?
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10:42.43fredl_well I happen to like the bloat in amarok :)
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10:42.58lunitikfredl_: Amarok has a mode similar to XMMS...
10:43.14justme987654321toicontento: nvidia
10:43.19fredl_oh does it? well I have enough memory
10:43.25b0rsuklunitik : yeah, I heard about that. beep-media-player started as a fork of xmms . Is xmms2 just outdated xmms with some networking gizmos slapped on top of it ?
10:43.34toicontentojustme987654321, so, use 'nv' driver in xorg.conf
10:43.40fredl_and the system I play audio on mostly is after all meant to be a media system :)
10:43.48justme987654321Tried.  That ended up the same.
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10:44.05toicontentobut 'monitor' ?
10:44.12toicontentobad
10:44.13fredl_what type nvidia card justme987654321 ?
10:44.16b0rsukone thing annoys me to no end about beep-media-player : When I change volume, it changes alsamixer (global volume levels, anyway). Rude.
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10:44.48justme987654321fredl: I was just looking for the book for the card.  I forgot.  it's just the cheapest nvidia card they had.
10:44.51lunitikb0rsuk: XMMS2 is a complete rewrite... because the devs decided XMMS sucks
10:44.52justme987654321(checking...)
10:44.58fredl_well the whole esd/arts/alsa/oss crap really annoys me
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10:45.32fredl_and then throw jackd into the mix and the chaos is complete
10:45.42nvzheh
10:45.47happlalunitik: ok, *trying kivio*
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10:46.00lunitikhappla: It's really nice...
10:46.08happlalunitik: =)
10:46.22fredl_I mean what's a guy to do when you're watching some porn and want to mute it because one of the kids wakes up and you can't find friggen WHAT to mute
10:46.30b0rsuklunitik : er, how do I make this work ? Client/server ?
10:46.33happlalunitik: hope so, good thing you told me - I just started charting up my own network in dia
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10:46.41b0rsukDo I need to set up a server on my machine ?
10:46.56lunitikb0rsuk: I use Amarok
10:47.03b0rsukfredl_ : That's why you use headphones .
10:47.14justme987654321Still checking, but I know it's a GeForce...
10:47.15b0rsukI guess I may as well stick to beep-media-player .
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10:47.23fredl_b0rsuk, yeah dolby 5.1 headphones.
10:47.33fredl_helloo, we're in 2007 :P
10:47.40toicontentofredl_, power cord does magic switch everything off
10:48.09fredl_:)
10:48.33fredl_I would think that 'mute' means 'mute everything that makes noise, period'
10:48.43fredl_but that's apparently hard to do in GNOME
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10:49.12b0rsukFunctionality confuses users !
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10:49.57fredl_anyway, just as something interesting... anybody own a mobo with a q35 chipset that supports the latest intel VT technology?
10:50.01justme987654321Ok.  Apparently, the video card is an nvidia "GeForce 8400 GS".
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10:50.17justme987654321(But the book says "NX8400GS-TD"
10:50.18justme987654321)
10:50.46fredl_hehe lunitik. Well despite the bloat it does have a lot of nice features.
10:50.46wols_!tell fredl_ about anyone
10:51.08lunitikfredl_: It's more bloated than KDE, and offers less... insane!
10:51.22fredl_wols, was just trying to make some conversation or is it too much offtopic?
10:51.40Varti've made script "/etc/init.d/tomcat6" , then made "update-rc.d tomcat6 defaults", but tomcat is not running after reboot, if I type "/etc/init.d/tomcat6 start" it starts normally, whats wrong?
10:51.53fredl_well I never got used to KDE somehow. At first it looks way too much like MS Windows
10:52.11happlawmaker ;)
10:52.12fredl_later on I tried several times to switch but never could get my head around it.
10:52.15wols_fredl_: smalltalk is always offtopic in a support channel. either you have a questin or you reply to one. usually
10:52.19Olgemion3 :]
10:52.25wols_fredl_: an "anoyne" questions are simply shit
10:52.42fredl_aww you're so strict wols ;)
10:52.47b0rsukOh, crap. Beep-media-player is gone. Are all music players bloat these days ?
10:52.51lunitikfredl_: My current desktop looks more like a Mac... you can have all the features of any other WM that you like...
10:53.11Olgemb0rsuk: there is a fork called audacious
10:53.13wols_b0rsuk: not all. cat file.wav > /dev/dsp
10:53.36fredl_lunitik, I'm not really questioning the quality and features of KDE, mind you. It's just what one gets used to at some point I guess.
10:53.41lunitikfredl_: KDE really does a great job of providing what users actually want...
10:53.50b0rsukwols_ yeah.
10:54.01Maulkin!start a window manager war
10:54.01dpkgX makes me vomit!
10:54.04fredl_I mean, I use vim, others use emacs
10:54.08wols_all DEs suck. only sometimes the apps are nice
10:54.09MaulkinMeh, near enough
10:54.20fredl_DEs ?
10:54.26wols_kinda like all OSes suck
10:54.27lunitikwols_: KDE is awesome, shush!
10:54.31MaulkinDesktop Environment I assume
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10:54.40OlgemIcewm is nice :>
10:54.54lunitikOlgem: IceWM isn't a DE
10:54.56fredl_well I found one app that made me consider dropping vim for all my development work... quantas or something
10:54.57Maulkinlunitik: ITYM KDE kis kawsome, kshush :P
10:55.11Olgemok then, xfce is nice :<
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10:55.26fredl_unfortunately it meant having to switch to KDE to use all the features
10:55.34lunitikMaulkin: No... that is the lamest complaint of KDE around...
10:55.34fredl_well, sort of
10:55.41b0rsukBleh, I think Kate is hot.
10:55.50b0rsukKate is my bestest editor.
10:56.01justme987654321Hm.  Well, it's not the xorg.conf file.  I have two systems with identical hardware.  One is the system I'm not now (fedora 8).  I copied the xorg.conf file from there to the debian system, and it still borks.
10:56.12fredl_quanta, not quantas
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10:56.17fredl_quantas is the airline I think
10:56.39wols_justme987654321: long long ago in a galaxy far away I asked you for something
10:56.59justme987654321wols_: The card?
10:57.05fredl_or is that smalltalk? quanta rockz but it starts up a whole slew of KDE daemons.
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10:57.37fredl_wols pay attention, justme987654321 has a 8400GS :)
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10:57.50Maulkinlunitik: Right, fine. 1) It's very resource heavy. 2) It provides little debug information about running applications. 3) It's trying ot emulate windows rather than standing as a WM on it's own. 4) It's applications and frameworks are designed with no thought to accessability. 5) It tries too hard to look nice while not providing simple functionality.
10:58.03justme987654321wols_: Sorry, I didn't prefix it with your name earlier.  It's a "GeForce 8400 GS", but the book says "NX8400GS-TD"
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10:58.40fredl_Maulkin, why don't you tell us what you really think? :P~
10:58.51justme987654321In my working f8 config, the driver is "nv".  I just tried that on deb, but it still says "no screens".
10:58.58fredl_I think you just gave lunitik a nice bone to chew on for a while.
10:59.02Maulkinfredl_: You don't want me to do that. I was being nice in the above :P
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10:59.22lunitikMaulkin: 1) RAM is only useful when it's used 2) Umm, simply wrong 3) Kwin is the WM 4) Wrong again, although they are behind ATK 5) If you wish for any features to be added, request them and get people to vote on it...
10:59.43justme987654321specifically, it's "(EE) No devices detected.", and "no screens found", I think are the two relevant errors.
11:00.50b0rsukwow, audacious seems to be just what I needed. Old-school, small audio player for people who don't like bloat.
11:00.58Olgemcool
11:01.01fredl_RAM is only usefull when it's used, LOL
11:01.02themill!bloatsmite b0rsuk
11:01.21justme987654321Hrmmm.  I think I may see the problem.  grepping the X log, I see no reference to "8400" (which was there on the f8 system).
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11:01.33wols_justme987654321: I wanted to see the xorg logs. I don't care (too much) what card
11:01.43Maulkinlunitik: It's not useful when it's being used by a Wm instead of the actual application, 2) No, it's quite correct. 3) Ahh, so you picked the wrong bit to answer about. 4) I'm guessing you've never tried to use it without a mouse. Or on a small screen. Or without a keyboard and no mouse. 5) Tried, got the t-shirt.
11:01.56wols_justme987654321: just that you will need a newer X or nvidia drivers for any kind of accel if you run etch
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11:02.05MaulkinNow... do you really want me to start on it's abysmal security record?
11:02.11justme987654321wols_: Well, I can paste them to #flood.  Did you want to see the whole thing?
11:02.20wols_justme987654321: taking an xorg.conf from another OS is kinda... stupid
11:02.28themillMaulkin: 1) I've never found kde heavy and anyway I prefer to have features than to have free ram. 2) I've never had trouble getting debug info out of kde apps 3) It's no more trying to emulate windows than gnome is 4) can't comment 5) it looks nice while actually providing functionality (as opposed to another popular DE that barely provide simple functionality at all)
11:02.34wols_pastebin is better
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11:02.51b0rsukKde4 with Compiz uses less RAM that Gnome without Compiz .
11:03.17Maulkinthemill: I'm not implying that gone is good. You seem to be comparing the two.
11:03.28Maulkin*gnome
11:03.29fredl_gone=gnome ?
11:03.33themillheh
11:03.36b0rsukGnome users say KDE is heavy because it used (or still does) display memory usage in different way.
11:03.41fredl_freudian
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11:03.56MaulkinI don't use gnome either.
11:03.57justme987654321wols_: pastebin?
11:04.17fredl_there was this thing once... enlightenment
11:04.26b0rsukMaulkin : you're using explorer.exe , right ?
11:04.26fredl_a little gem never heard of again...
11:04.27wols_!paste | justme987654321
11:04.27dpkg| justme987654321: put your output on http://channels.debian.net/paste so we can see it. DO NOT paste into the channel.
11:04.43b0rsukI knew it.
11:04.48fredl_is e17 still coming soon?
11:04.48b0rsukWe've found a witch ! May we burn her ?
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11:04.52wols_!e17 fredl_
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11:05.07Maulkinb0rsuk: no. You need a crowd first.
11:05.09wols_fredl_: yes. soon. even before DNF
11:05.19fredl_DNF?
11:05.26Maulkinb0rsuk: and normally xfce or fwvm
11:05.29toicontentoduke nuke forever
11:05.45toicontentoor something like that
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11:05.47fredl_dpkg didn't tell me anything about e17 hmm
11:05.55fredl_!e17
11:05.56dpkgDon't even think about asking ljlane anything about e17 or efm. see DR17
11:05.56wols_!e17
11:06.04wols_!dr17
11:06.04dpkg[DR17 debs] http://gefechtsdienst.de/uman/E17/repository/index.html or http://shadoi.soulmachine.net/ (dead link?)
11:06.05lunitikMaulkin: 1) Most of those apps require and use extensively what is in RAM... it's just preloaded so things react faster 2) Umm, compared to what? 3) Umm, I simply pointed out that if you want a WM, you should use the WM... 4) I've used it without a mouse... for the blind it's not good, but for visually impaired, it's fine 5) If no one else wanted it, and you didn't make a patch, it won't get into KDE, sorry.
11:06.06toicontentofredl_, check elive, a debian based e17 distro
11:06.07paul_limehello, how can i background dhclient at boot time?
11:06.17b0rsukMaulkin : It's seems crowdy enough in here.
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11:06.34wols_paul_lime: "background"? won't run in foreground at all
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11:06.48fredl_well I used to use enlightenment a long long time ago and loved it, I think rasterman is a genius.
11:06.58Maulkinlunitik: gcc preloads itself so it loads faster?
11:07.13lunitikMaulkin: By the way, Qt4 will be better about accessibility...
11:07.27Maulkin2) koffice off the top of my head. I have a list somewhere.
11:07.28CanDoowhat cp params would i use if i wanted to copy everything in a directory includig .directory names?
11:07.28fredl_E certainly looked better than boringware GNOME/KDE
11:07.32justme987654321Ok.  Current output is done with pastebin.
11:07.40lunitikMaulkin: No, we were discussing KDE afaik... every Kapp uses kdelibs...
11:07.43Maulkin4) Or small screens. Think running it on a TV.
11:07.55Olgemjustme987654321: post the link
11:08.01fredl_Maulkin - my TV isn't small
11:08.15Maulkinfredl_: it is in terms of resolution
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11:08.31fredl_Maulkin - pffft. 42" Full HD.
11:08.35justme987654321oic.  Link: http://paste.debian.net/45055
11:08.41lunitikMaulkin: Umm... I'd use something like freevo if I wanted that functionality... why would you use a TV as your monitor?
11:08.50Maulkinlunitik: mythtv
11:08.55paul_limeat boot dhclient is looking for a network connection.  this adds around 10s to boot time.  i can make it backround when i invoke it from the terminal but not when the system is booting. i either have to ctrl+c or just leave it. is there a way to force it to the background at boot?
11:08.58CanDooanyway
11:09.17Maulkinfredl_: Ditto. I have 4 of them here, and another 1080p 17" one
11:09.28Maulkinfredl_: $work makes set top boxes :P
11:09.28jellypaul_lime: why not set up a static ip?
11:09.30fredl_Maulkin - you have a really good point there. more and more people will want to use their computer as a combined media center/server
11:09.54b0rsukmythv ! Tv ! Tv is extreme bloat !!
11:10.05fredl_nonsense b0rsuk.
11:10.11lunitikfredl_: But there are tools that facilitate that use case... you're not going to use the desktop itself extensively though...
11:10.22b0rsukShh, I need an enemy.
11:10.31fredl_lunitik - not yet, but getting there.
11:10.31wols_paul_lime: not the way sysvinit works me things
11:10.43OlgemI don't see linux working well with media centers. All I hear about are problems dealing with DVR adaptors.
11:10.58MaulkinHah!
11:11.07xoredhello, i have a dualcore amd x2 CPU ( dedicated server ) is it possible to run mysql / apache only on one specific CPU or is it all autom. done by the scheduler ?
11:11.22fredl_alright, although I really have an axe to grind on using Linux on media setups, it's lunch time for me.
11:11.32wols_Olgem: I don't see anything but llinux work well with media. ALl I hear about are DRM problems
11:11.43toicontentoOlgem, y have a small 'dreambox', it run linux and use to work ok.
11:11.58jellyxored: google for "cpu affinity"
11:12.00wols_xored: unless you have special needs it's best to let the scheduler decide imho
11:12.05wols_but there are ways afaik
11:12.08harpaljustme987654321, I had found that. but see http://pastebin.ca/820155 in that it shows me that I have renew 1 2007/12/17 11:12:26; but my system time is more and every time it going to renew
11:12.10MaulkinOlgem: I can't say too much, but it's very likely that the last hotel you stayed in with cable TV was running linux.
11:12.16wols_yes, affinity should give you hints
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11:13.22xoredwols_: what i want is, to run a deffrent process on the other CPU to let the programm be "lagfree"...but i guess as the X2 is not a real dualcore and limited on the system bus, this will not affect in any way ( the manual way )
11:14.16harpaljustme987654321, My dhcp server time is also same as my machine time. I have enable debug in dhclient-script so its got fluded with RENEW msgs.
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11:14.41lunitikMaulkin: By the way: http://linuxmce.com/ utilizes KDE, I'm sure that'd work quite well...
11:14.42dimirMorning!
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11:14.52harpalI done know where server tells that it should be renew on some perticular time
11:14.56justme987654321harpal: So, dhclient-script didn't do what you wanted, even with "RENEW" or "REBIND"?
11:15.03fengorah yes you should have quoted that
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11:15.40harpalhe has done the thing but it always going to renew my ip
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11:15.45fengorsorry wrong window
11:16.17justme987654321harpal: Is the issue a time issue?  Is one machine's time out of sync with the other?
11:16.32jellyxored: schedutils
11:16.39Maulkinlunitik: fails the test of being useable on arm.
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11:16.55wols_xored: it will affect it. don't worry
11:16.56Xor^hi there... anyone who can tell me how to get more than 2 users work on freenx under debian etch?
11:17.05harpaljustme987654321, no both machine has same time
11:17.21wols_xored: AMDs are seldom I/O constricted
11:17.22harpalIs there any thing I have to set to specify that
11:17.38harpalin dhcpd.conf in dhcp server?
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11:17.45lunitikMaulkin: Umm, port it? Ubuntu doesn't bother porting to such arch's, but Arch is supported by Debian, so you'd just be porting linuxmce...
11:17.46justme987654321harpal, odd.  Because in the link you posted, it says the link needs to be renewed 5 hours before the current time.
11:17.53Maulkinlunitik:
11:17.56Maulkinerm...
11:18.09harpalya, so that should not be happen
11:18.12xoredwols_: i just want to reserve a CPU for a single process which should _always_ have the cpu time it wants ( on the second CPU )
11:18.32Maulkinlunitik: KDE on it's own uses most of ARMs resources :P
11:18.37wols_xored: as jelly said. cpu affinity linux
11:18.40justme987654321Right.  Which makes me think it's a time issue.  The client's clock, or the servers clock is off.
11:18.55xoredwols_: on my way
11:18.57justme987654321Or the client isn't writing the correct time.
11:18.58xoredjelly:  thank you
11:19.05lunitikMaulkin: Umm, maybe when installed via 'aptitude install kde'  :/
11:19.21lunitikMaulkin: Then you'd have to be a moron to do that.
11:19.21Xor^anyone who can tell me how to get more than 2 users work on freenx under debian etch? i get NX> 536 ERROR: Reached the maximum number of allowed users on this server.
11:19.26harpalboth clocks are working perfectly I have checked right now. both have only 2 minute difference
11:20.39lunitikIf you're gonna do that... might as well 'aptitude install kde kde-extras'... then you've got a really bloated desktop.
11:20.53xoredjelly: my problem is, that mysql spawns new "forks" all the time, so i cant simply use taskset to manipulate the forks..because they get closed/ started new ones all the time
11:20.56justme987654321harpal: Any idea why the client would say that it's time is "Dec 17 16:40:41", but that it's lease expires "2007/12/17 11:17:31" (5 hours before the current time)?
11:21.02Maulkinlunitik: ... You know... I do actually know what I'm talking about here. Perhaps I should be a bit more precise.
11:21.03toicontentoXor^, are you sure that you are not using the oficial nxserver ?
11:21.43Xor^i followed the tutorial on debianadmin.com
11:21.47harpalI am checking that because it may happen that any setting in dhcpd.conf
11:21.57MaulkinWhen issuing a Debian security update for anythign KDE related (or indeed, managing a transition from sid to testing) KDE causes issues with building, and regression testing on any of the slower and/or estoric architectuires.
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11:22.06lunitikMaulkin: I've had KDE 3.5 running on a 533mhz system with 128kb RAM and it was fine... I find it hard to believe modern ARM systems are that lacking?
11:22.23Maulkin128kb ram?
11:22.24jellyxored: I don't know whether it gets inherited or not
11:22.28harpalI have default-lease-time 600; and max-lease-time 7200; in dhcpd.conf
11:22.31Maulkin(ITYM MB :P)
11:22.32lunitikMaulkin: Uhh... mb... heh
11:23.02Xor^toicontento, how do i see whether i have the "official" version?
11:23.07xoredjelly: there is no "hiarchy" on mysql-processes. there is acutually no parent ( looking at htop )
11:23.18OlgemMaulkin: do you know arm assembly
11:23.23xoredjelly: iam wrong.
11:23.23b0rsukWow, audtty is pure ownage as far as audio players go.
11:23.25jellyxored: lies!
11:23.29xoredjelly: :)
11:23.38xoredjelly:  ( forgot to switch into treeview )
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11:23.55jellyxored: what treeview? Just look at PPID
11:24.00Olgemb0rsuk: have you found out if it has a mod plugin like xmms to play old rom music?
11:24.35justme987654321harpal, Why such short times?  My default is 14400, max is 28800 (although I probably should make that one higher).
11:24.46Maulkinlunitik: I've got (on this box next to me) 9.4Mb ram and a ~150 bogomips processor. Part of the issue with arm is a lack of FPU
11:25.01MaulkinOlgem: erm... bits and bobs, but not really.
11:25.20justme987654321harpal, I mean, it _should_ work with the numbers you mentioned.
11:25.25toicontentoXor^, what says nxserver --status     ?
11:25.37harpaljustme987654321, let me do that and than try it again
11:25.42xoredjelly:
11:25.42xoredpid 11151's current affinity list: 0,1
11:25.42xoredpid 11151's new affinity list: 0
11:25.46xoredjelly: works great
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11:26.08XoXis there a debian channel for open office.org
11:26.25wols_XoX: possibly oftc but I doubt it
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11:26.34xoredjelly: but it seems not to be inher.
11:26.39Xor^toicontento: NX> 900 Connecting to server ..
11:26.40Xor^NX> 110 NX Server is running.
11:26.40Xor^NX> 999 Bye.
11:27.11XoXi am trying to figure out how to save some custom settings for all users
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11:27.26Xor^toicontento: if you mean the version: NXSERVER - Version 2.1.0-22 - LFE
11:27.28b0rsukOlgem : what do you mean "old rom music" ?
11:27.31toicontentoXor^, nothing about version ?
11:27.55toicontentoXor^, that's the 'oficial' version, not the one that comes with freenx
11:28.16jellyxored: my naive test with shells suggests it gets inherited.  Have you set the parent?
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11:28.18justme987654321XoX, You might be able to do that by changing something in /etc/skel/
11:28.37Xor^but where do i get the "right" one which can handle unlimited useraccounts?
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11:29.21XoXnoo
11:29.38xoredjelly: could you rephrase. What do you actually mean with "set the parent". I have set the pid of the parents of the childs, but when i set the childs, i get, that there old aff. was all CPUs, instead of the one i assigned the parent. One second, ill double check
11:30.32harpaljustme987654321, I have changed that option. than it has increase that time to 2 hours. so earlier it was 11:29 and now 13:04
11:30.40Xor^toicontento: but where do i get the "right" one which can handle unlimited useraccounts for debian etch?
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11:31.24jellyxored: I mean, set affinity for the parent process (the one that forks off the children), then look the the affinity of newly created child processes
11:31.57toicontentoXor^, don't know now, but you need freenx, not nomachine nx server. It should be avaible for debian.
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11:32.07triplchi all
11:32.26Xor^toicontento: i searched already many sites... all refer to the version i got :/
11:32.44xoredjelly: hmm, the newly one, thats a good question. I guess i have to put tha taskset in the mysql startup script then, to set the parent process aff. before the childs gets spawend
11:32.49toicontentoXor^, so, what exactly have you downloaded ?
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11:33.05Xor^i followed this: http://www.debianadmin.com/freenx-server-and-client-installation-in-debian-etch.html
11:33.12triplcwhat is a program like xsel (stdin - x clipboard - stdout) but with UNICODE or simply byte save? (no conversion whatsoever)?
11:33.25xoredjelly: any idea how i would do that? i mean, starting the "parent" would immediatyl spawn the childs, before i even get the pid of the parent to set his aff.
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11:34.07triplcwhat is a program like xsel (stdin - x clipboard - stdout) but with UNICODE safe? I write a text filter and it works well, but when it come to Unicode text... xsel does not work
11:35.16toicontentoXor^, well, that how-to looks incorrect to me. I's loading the Free Edition of the nxserver, obiously limited.
11:35.49Xor^toicontento: i believe that... that is my problem - i do not find any other version :/
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11:36.35fengoreth01: you can always just msg the bot too ;)
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11:36.42jellyxored: man taskset?
11:36.43eth01i knew somebody would say that...
11:36.45fengor/msg dpkg nas
11:36.57eth01fengor, yes i know.
11:36.59eth01:/
11:37.12toicontentoXor^, start here --> http://freenx.berlios.de/
11:38.05Xor^toicontento: THX! - i'll try immediatly
11:38.11xoredjelly: been there, not very long one :) Cant find anything related to my problem, did i overseen something ?
11:38.24xoredah!
11:38.34xoredjelly: ok, crystal clear :)
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11:38.51justme987654321harpal, Check out http://paste.debian.net/45058 -- it's (edited) from a working dhcpd.conf file I've used.  It may be useful.
11:39.24justme987654321specifically, you may want to check out "option time-offset".
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11:40.04justme987654321Sorry, but I can't post the exact file, as it's used for VPN.
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11:43.57SebbohPackage: nfs-kernel-server, Version: 1:1.0.10-6+etch.1 .. Is this NFSv3 or NFSv4 ?
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11:44.59xoredjelly: iam a bit confused about the nummering of the CPUs, do they start with 1 or 0 ?
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11:46.16knoxythe courier-imapd on lenny is broken? I upgrade my server to lenny, and courier-imapd not work.. the error message is "BYE [ALERT] Fatal error: Account's mailbox directory is not owned by the correct uid or gid: No such file or directory"
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11:46.52justme987654321Ok.  I gotta get some sleep.  'night all.
11:47.09minus_Ehm.. I'm trying to install phpsysinfo. But I cant get it to work.
11:47.14plbI'm trying to get my usb card reader working in Debian for my gf. Works in Kubuntu....In debian the lights are flashing but I can't seem to mount it
11:47.20jellyxored: 0 here
11:47.33plbit shows as /dev/sda or so dmesg says
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11:49.05knoxyHi all.. the courier-imapd on lenny is broken? I upgrade my server to lenny, and courier-imapd not work.. the error message is "BYE [ALERT] Fatal error: Account's mailbox directory is not owned by the correct uid or gid: No such file or directory"
11:49.44minus_Nvm my question. Got it working
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11:50.24Sebbohplb, can you mount it if you become root?
11:50.43plbI've tried
11:50.50Sebbohok, dunno.
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11:51.11plbya I'm not sure the exact fs to use when mounting either
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11:51.18plbI tried vfat and auto
11:51.21plbneither worked
11:51.24lunitikplb: Did you happen to check whether Kubuntu loads any modules etc?
11:51.36plbnah didn't bother to even look
11:51.39knoxyHi all.. the courier-imapd on lenny is broken? I upgrade my server to lenny, and courier-imapd not work.. the error message is "BYE [ALERT] Fatal error: Account's mailbox directory is not owned by the correct uid or gid: No such file or directory".. somebody help me?
11:51.48plbI guess I was overly optimistic ;]
11:52.07plbbut at least the lights flash on it =P
11:52.13Sebbohknoxy, please don't repeat your question so often.  Only three people have joined since the last time you asked.
11:52.27karmatronicknoxy: did you try to change the owner of the corresponding dir
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11:52.47plbI get weird errors in dmesg.......
11:52.49plbBuffer I/O error on device sda, logical block 7
11:52.49plbsd 1:0:0:0: SCSI error: return code = 0x10070000
11:52.49plbend_request: I/O error, dev sda, sector 0
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11:52.59plbblah
11:53.17knoxykarmatronic I set chown -R maildrop.www-data /var/spool/MailServer/Accounts
11:53.27plbbut also this.......
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11:53.38knoxykarmatronic this is the path of accounts
11:53.39plbso it's recognized it seems
11:54.03plbbut how to mount the damn thing is something else
11:54.06plb=\
11:54.12knoxykarmatronic where I set the directory to imapd?
11:54.35Sebbohplb, does the reader have different slots?
11:54.56vampirefroghi. how come my dvd doesn't get automatically mounted anymore? before, when I inserted a disc, it appeared on my gnome desktop and the contents were open in a nautilus window. now I have to click on it in "Computer", it gets mounted, and I also have to manually unmount it (can't just press the eject button). How do I bring it back to how it was before?
11:55.15Sebbohplb, if the different slots show up as different block devices.. make sure that you're trying to mount the right one.  file -s /my/block/dev can be helpful maybe?
11:55.31plbno just 1
11:55.38Sebbohoh.
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11:59.36xoredjelly: thank you, worked great
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12:01.50kLinGohello
12:02.03kLinGoi installed new debian and have only alittle problem with it
12:02.11eth01!ask
12:02.11dpkgIf you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org
12:02.36vampirefrog!foo
12:02.36dpkgwell, foo is probably the first metasyntactic variable, it's a placeholder for some other term. See <http://www.catb.org/~esr/jargon/html/F/foo.html> and <bar>, also read RFC3092.
12:02.43kLinGowhen i log in (through ssh), ~/.bashrc and .bash_profile are not processed
12:02.49vampirefrog!yarr
12:02.49dpkgyarr is probably YARRRRR MATIES! SHIVER ME TIMBERS!
12:02.54vampirefroghaha
12:03.03vampirefrog!middleearth
12:03.07eth01!tell vampirefrog about bored
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12:03.28vampirefrog:P
12:03.46filipe__What do I need to install to have unicode support in my terminal emulator?
12:03.48kLinGobut probably they aren't run even when logged in locally
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12:04.24vampirefrogI'm trying to remove ekiga, and it says it needs to also remove gnome-desktop-environment. nothing else. why so?
12:04.34vampirefrogthis in synaptic
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12:05.28vampirefrogand eog needs to remove gnome-core also
12:05.34vampirefrogbut no other package complains
12:05.41vampirefrogare these "meta" packages that I don't really need?
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12:06.14kLinGo<PROTECTED>
12:06.36vampirefrogkLinGo: did you try something like echo "hello" in .bashrc ?
12:06.41vampirefrogand bash_profile?
12:06.52vampirefroghow do you check?
12:07.02kLinGovampirefrog: yes, i found it out when added screen command
12:07.24kLinGovampirefrog: but also,...after running it manually i saw mam prompt became coloured
12:07.32KermitTheFraggerstupid question perhaps; Is there no linux-image for xen in lenny because it is already in the standard linux-image ? Or is there just none ?
12:07.40vampirefrogkLinGo: running what manually?
12:07.47vampirefrogkLinGo: bashrc or bash_profile?
12:08.02kLinGovampirefrog: those start scripts ./bashrc and ./bash_profile
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12:08.44vampirefrogkLinGo: try this: append echo "this is .bashrc" and echo "this is .bash_profile" to each of them, respectively
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12:08.49vampirefrogthen try to login
12:09.01toicontentokLinGo, is bash your shell ?
12:09.05vampirefrogif any of them is printed out, then it's working
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12:09.53karmatronickLinGo: sure you re running bash as shell ?
12:10.17vampirefrogTabakhase: ?
12:10.18kLinGotoicontento: yes it is
12:10.21karmatronickLinGo: echo $SHELL
12:10.31kLinGokarmatronic: is, it's bash
12:10.54kLinGot's the default debian install (latest)
12:10.59kLinGoi386
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12:12.24karmatronickLinGo: ls -l .bashrc
12:12.25kLinGovampirefrog: it's not working
12:12.52kLinGo-rw-r--r-- 1 klingo klingo 2227 2007-12-17 11:44 .bashrc
12:12.52kLinGok
12:12.55toicontentokLinGo, how did you create the user ?
12:12.55vampirefrogI'm out of suggestions
12:13.01Knight_LordWhat do I need to install to have unicode support in my terminal emulator?
12:13.09kLinGotoicontento: useradd i guess
12:13.28knoxyPlease, I need help.. my imap server after upgrade to lenny isn't work... the message is * BYE [ALERT] Fatal error: Account's mailbox directory is not owned by the correct uid or gid: No such file or directory.. Please, help-me
12:13.46kLinGovampirefrog: thx anyway
12:14.03ka05Hi All, Can anyone help me with collecting kernel panic dumps?
12:14.11vampirefrogkLinGo: try the ssh manual as well, unless one of these other guys will help ;)
12:14.16toicontentokLinGo, have you made any change to .bashrc or .bash_profile ?
12:14.50karmatronickLinGo: when you type bash , is ist sourced ?
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12:15.57kLinGotoicontento: it didn't work before changes. isn't the problem that they are not chmod +x ?
12:16.11kLinGokarmatronic: what means sourced
12:16.29toicontentokLinGo, maybe, there should be a copy in /etc/skel
12:16.45toicontentojust make a copy from there and change ownership
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12:17.21karmatronickLinGo:i mean you did echo "merry christmas"  >> .bashrc
12:17.34karmatronickLinGo: when you type bash , does it write merry chrsitmas
12:17.58vampirefrogecho "echo merry xmas" >> .bashrc #rather :D
12:18.26kLinGovampirefrog: good point
12:18.32kLinGokarmatronic: i'll try
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12:19.49kLinGokarmatronic: it works. merry xmas
12:20.10kLinGobut bash profile doesnt
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12:20.28vampirefrogkLinGo: then try adding ". .bash_profile" to .bashrc
12:20.36vampirefrogand .bashrc will execute .bash_profile
12:20.39karmatronicbash_profile is read only when you log in
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12:24.03level1Hi, what is the name of the debian pakage for the linux kernel?  something like linux-kernel-2.6.22?  does it exsist?
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12:24.56psyche_level1 you are installing it with apt?
12:25.04level1psyche_: yeah
12:25.14kLinGokarmatronic: i cant append screen -dd -R to .bashrc ... it will run screen again and again,...and anyway the default logic seems to be that .bash_profile runs .bashrc
12:25.17level1psyche_: or what ever is the "cannonical" method
12:25.31psyche_compile it manually :P
12:25.40level1psyche_: I've debootstraped a system, now I just need the kernel and bootloader
12:25.47psyche_2.6.18 was newest what i could install with apt
12:25.51kLinGoso it will be launching each other
12:25.53psyche_newest kernel is 2.6.23
12:26.19level1psyche_: I was going to do that, many of the tutorials were confusing, outdated, etc
12:26.39psyche_http://www.falkotimme.com/howtos/debian_kernel2.6_compile/
12:26.45psyche_thats old, but still working
12:26.54level1thanks
12:27.09psyche_i dont like it though...
12:27.13jellylevel1: what do you need the newer kernel for?
12:27.19psyche_building custom kernel is pain in the ass
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12:27.40level1jelly: I don't need any kernel in particular, just one that works...
12:27.46psyche_expecially if your computer is like mine
12:27.58psyche_well my own workstation is good :)
12:28.02psyche_but for servers...
12:28.10jellylevel1: how does the current one fail to work?
12:28.17level1jelly: I don't have one
12:28.19psyche_i have 2x 500mhz servers and for god sake building custom kernel takes time
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12:28.36jellylevel1: you don't have debian installed yet?
12:28.40level1jelly: I used debootstrap to get the system, but debootstrap doesn't draw in a kernel or bootloader
12:28.47jellylevel1: ah!
12:28.58jellylevel1: linux-image-2.6-686
12:29.03positron2007Hello! Everytime I try to install a package I get: WARNING: Following packages could not be authenticated
12:29.19level1jelly: that's what I was looking for! fantastic
12:29.20positron2007How can I fix it?
12:29.46jellylevel1: (I'm assuming you have bootstrapped i386 debian and have a normal-ish recent intel or amd cpu)
12:30.11Jyzygzel-whats the best filesystem for a data storage
12:30.24jellyJyzygzel-: depends on your data.
12:30.38Jyzygzel-mostly big video files
12:30.48Jyzygzel-transferred over network
12:30.51level1jelly: yes, I have a bit of an elaborate plan, I just want to try it and see if it works... I want to create a bootable usb install, and on boot, load the entire filesystem (or a good part of it) to a ramdisk, then sync the ramdisk periodically with rsync... do you think that will work?
12:30.52jellyJyzygzel-: ext3 is IME the safest bet
12:31.00jolt^d4positron2007: Try this: http://linux.seindal.dk/2006/01/06/debian-2006-gpg-keys/
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12:33.38vampirefrogany idea why my dvd doesn't automatically get mounted?
12:33.57level1vampirefrog: are you using kde or gnome (or etc)?
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12:34.02vampirefroggnome
12:34.04Sebbohmount /srv returns "mount.nfs4: No such device"  ..  My line in /etc/fstab is probable wrong?  machine:/srv/nfs4/srv      /srv    nfs4
12:34.30karmatronicvampirefrog: check /etc/fstab
12:34.32level1vampirefrog: both kde and gnome have automount utilities, but they are not infallable
12:34.40level1vampirefrog: you might have to manually mount them
12:34.52vampirefrogthey worked until now
12:34.54karmatronicvampirefrog: you need auto option for the line corrspondign  to your dvd
12:35.00vampirefroghm
12:35.02vampirefroglet me se
12:35.03vampirefroge
12:35.08vampirefrogthe dvd doesn't seem to be in fstab
12:35.09positron2007Do you people know those small squares of yellow paper? That act like stickers to take notes and remind of something? Is there a program for that?
12:35.28karmatronicvampirefrog: the device corresponding to your dvd
12:35.37karmatronicpositron2007: yes
12:35.39vampirefrogi know. I'm adding it
12:35.42level1positron2007: it makes a difference if your using kde or gnome... there are specific programs for each
12:35.43Sebbohthey are called post-it notes, if that helps.  There are several programs that do that, but I don't like any of them.
12:35.51positron2007Can you tell me for kde?
12:36.24vampirefrogwhat filesystem do i use for dvd? iso9660?
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12:36.59karmatronicpositron2007: knotes
12:37.02positron2007Thanks
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12:37.18karmatronicpositron2007: and debian-keyring for your gpg pb
12:37.26positron2007That link fixed it
12:37.38karmatronicpositron2007: cool
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12:37.49dubbalugahej! is it possible to change the hostname of a SSL-certificate after its creation?
12:38.01level1can I have grub boot from /root/boot instead of /boot?
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12:39.01dubbalugalevel1: i think it is possible - did you try it with symbolic or hard links?
12:39.05Sebbohdubbaluga: I certainly hope not.
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12:39.23level1dubbaluga: heh, maybe I should try it before I ask, I was just wondering
12:39.47dubbalugalevel1: but this is why we have a community :) more brains, more ideas ;-)
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12:40.11level1dubbaluga: well, some channels get piss if I ask stupid questions! :)
12:40.36dubbalugaSebboh: yes, so, i don't want to change the certificate itself, but the hostname changed unfortunately
12:40.46fredl_I wonder if I can run Debian on a VMWare/Xen box with VT-d technology and also run a WinXP virtual with it's own graphics board.
12:41.01fredl_That would be... cool.
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12:41.20Sebbohfredl_, agreed.  Cool, and not much else. :/
12:41.27level1what is the first thing that happens after grub loads the ram disk?  is there some script that gets called that starts everything off?
12:41.30SebbohOther than perhaps expensive.
12:41.35vampirefrogthis is getting on my nerves. it worked fine before, then I did some dist-upgrades and now it doesn't automount. I'm not sure how it works, because it was working from when I had installed debian..
12:41.35fredl_Sebboh, well, 'useful' too.
12:41.51tarzeaulevel1: there's no ram disk
12:42.01tarzeaulevel1: grub is loaded from the harddisk to memory then executed
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12:42.17level1tarzeau: I meant initrd
12:42.18tarzeaulevel1: it then checks its configuration file (if not present, it goes into the command line)
12:42.19fredl_Sebboh, coz I could play Windoze DirectX games on my server while Debian runs on it in the background as well
12:42.36level1tarzeau: go on...
12:42.36tarzeaulevel1: some linux kernels are built with initrd...
12:42.42SebbohFredl, no more useful than two physical computers.  ..I'm a big fan of virtualization, I see you there in #xen..  But I don't see why you don't just run debian on the computer you have now, after you buy the new one.
12:42.57tarzeaulevel1: i don't use initrd linux kernels.. but what's the question?
12:43.26tarzeaulevel1: well grub loads the kernel/initrd and passes control to them (i don't know the details on initrd)
12:43.38fredl_Sebboh, coz it's not practical to have two computers running all the time.
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12:44.12SebbohWhoops. ;)
12:44.21Dantixhi all, I'm looking for a clustering solution. I've read about RH LVS and Ultramonkey, saw that Ultramonkey installation packs are dated in 2005 and for Sarge, anyone knows id this project is live?
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12:44.39level1tarzeau: well, I want to change around what happens when linux boots.  Instead of mounting the root file system and then starting all the system processes, I want it to create a ramdisk, either mount the ramdisk as root or chroot into it, copy all the data from the disk to the ramdisk, and the "run normally"
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12:45.15fredl_Sebboh, I mean, what would be the point, the whole world minus the US is trying to save energy, why wouldn't I?
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12:45.54Sebbohlevel1, livedisc technology does that.  Hmm, I was just looking at what you want earlier tonight, let me look in my browser history real quick and get you the name of it
12:46.28asgfredl_: depending on your server requirements, you could run Debian on a NSLU2. Works great here and the power draw is very minimal.
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12:46.41plbargh no one has any ideas on howto get my card reader working with debian..I don't feel like putting Kubuntu on it just to put some stuff on this damn card (which I need for today) =\
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12:46.59asgplb: /msg dpkg usb-storage
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12:47.11level1I figure by running a system from a ramdisk, It'll be faster and won't damage my usb drivie...
12:47.14Sebbohlevel1, unionfs, although, as you can see on the home page, it's been superceded by another fs.
12:47.24karmatronicplb: when you plug it , it shows up as
12:47.25level1Sebboh: yes, casperfs
12:47.37karmatronicplb: /dev/sda or /dev/sda!?
12:47.45karmatronic/dev/sda1?
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12:48.00Sebbohthat's not the one mentioned on the unionfs homepage, but, ok.  (I think it was aufs or aofs or something, dunno.  have fun!)
12:48.06Knight_LordUsing urxvt -fg white doesn't seem to have any effect. Does anyone else has the same problem?
12:48.10level1Sebboh: but that stuff seems to consistantly fail me, so I though I'd do it my way... heh
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12:49.10Sebbohlevel1, that's the ol' community spirit!  Don't forget to open source yours solution.  I suggest project names that start with "yet another ..."
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12:49.18plbkarmatronic: /dev/sdaa
12:49.25plber
12:49.26plbsda
12:49.28level1Sebboh: lol, I was gonna call it RamOS
12:50.03level1Sebboh: but now I'm kinda scratching my head, I'm not really sure how I was gonna do this
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12:50.26plbasg: already did all that
12:50.27Sebbohlevel1, any live CD that allows you to remove the CD after boot clearly does everything you want, or at least everything you've described. :)
12:50.31plbthat dpkg mentions
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12:50.51plbthe card reader is blinking but I can't mount the bloody thing
12:50.51msshamshi, in a web server, where can clean up if disk space high usage?
12:51.17teixahi, can anyone help with debian etch kernel source question?
12:51.29asgplb: can you pastebin the dmesg output after you plug the card reader in
12:51.40Penix!ask
12:51.40dpkgIf you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org
12:51.44plbasg: sure 1 mo
12:51.48Penixbah. damn long ones
12:51.54level1Sebboh: well, they don't really allow modifications.  they can be reconfigure to work on a usb drive, but that keeps failing for me for some reason; I'm had some experience with debootstrap and chroot, so I thought I'd try to manufacture something on my own
12:51.58asgmsshams: check /var/tmp and /tmp
12:51.58Sebbohmount /srv returns "mount.nfs4: No such device"  ..  My line in /etc/fstab is machine:/srv/nfs4/srv  /srv  nfs4  rw 0 0        ??
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12:52.32asgmsshams: if you haven't run apt-get clean, that is also advisable
12:53.14teixaI want to recompile my current kernel "2.6.18-4-686" to change the kernel timer frequency
12:53.40teixaI installed the linux-tree-2.6.18 and got a tar.bz2 in/usr/src
12:53.57asgteixa: /msg dpkg kp
12:53.58teixado I need to patch this source before compiling?
12:54.16wols_teixa: how exactly did you install it?
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12:54.44teixa"apt-get install linux-tree-2.6.18 libncurses-dev ncurses-dev kernel-package"
12:54.59wols_apt-get the source of your kernel (imho)
12:55.08wols_apt-get source that is
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12:55.38plbasg: http://pastebin.com/m725dc996
12:55.45teixawell, I guess linux-tree depends on the source, because I got it
12:56.00teixaI now have the linux-source-2.6.18.tar.bz2 in /usr/src
12:56.03plbit shows as /dev/sdaa
12:56.05plbargh
12:56.12plb<PROTECTED>
12:56.23wols_teixa: it's not the same
12:56.25teixamy question is if I need to apply any patches to this source, or can I just compile it
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12:56.50level1Sebboh: what I think I need to know is, how do I get a linux kernel and have it run a single shell script?
12:56.51teixaoh
12:56.52asgplb: does that card have a filesystem on it at all?
12:57.10level1Sebboh: and from that script I'll set up the ramdisk and the rest of the system
12:57.15plbasg: dunno I formatted it from my mobile phone
12:57.21Sebbohlevel1, init=/path/to/executable ??
12:57.28msshamsasg: thanks. but what do apt-get clean do?
12:57.33level1Sebboh: ahhhh...
12:57.45asgmsshams: removes package debs download with aptitude or apt-get
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12:57.52plbasg: it mounts fine in kubuntu
12:58.09Sebbohlevel1, but..  That's probably not what you want, because, that probably doesn't happen until after some filesystems are mounted. ;)
12:58.10asgplb: did you try just mounting the device itself? mount /dev/sda /mnt/foo?
12:58.16plbyep
12:58.28level1Sebboh: that might not be a problem...
12:58.29asgplb: does fdisk -l /dev/sda show any partitions?
12:58.39msshamsasg: e.g. /var/cache/apt ?
12:58.43asgmsshams: yes
12:58.44plbasg: no
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12:59.47asgplb: then it's either not supported by the kernel you are running (those I/O errors are problematic) or there just isn't a filesystem on it. If it's empty try creating one with fdisk / and the mk*fs tools
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13:00.28teixawols_: "apt-get install linux-source-2.6.18" tells it is already installed
13:00.31plbmust be the kernel because I tried it on kubuntu just yesterday and it worked fine..automounted in kde and everything
13:00.38plbeven put some songs on it
13:00.40teixaso I gess I have the correct source
13:00.54theLichKingubuntu is not debian
13:01.00wols_teixa: I told you to use apt-get source
13:01.04plbI know lol
13:01.04msshamsasg: can i clean up /var/log/*/*.log.* ?
13:01.08msshamstoo
13:01.17teixaoh, I'm sorry, I didn't get that
13:01.20teixaone second
13:01.30asgmsshams: sure if you don't need them. You can configure a smaller rotation/retention time by editing /etc/logratate*
13:03.54level1Sebboh: I have a file that contains an ext2 filesystem... is there a way to install grub on it without first copying it to a physical media?
13:03.58teixawols_: so I should issue "apt-get source linux-source-2.6.18" or "apt-get source linux-image-2.6.18-4-686"?
13:04.33Sebbohlevel1, loopback device?  Command line option to tell grub to use device blah?
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13:05.02level1hmm.. grub-install won't let me do that
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13:08.14teixaI should issued "apt-get source linux-source-2.6.18" and got the "linux-2.6-2.6.18.dfsg.1" directory in "/usr/src/"
13:08.25teixaI should just compile this source?
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13:16.06Knight_LordHow can I use my truetype fonts in debian?
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13:19.59wols_Knight_Lord: just use them?
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13:23.49fastaCan I delete /usr/doc without any future breaking or whatever?
13:24.17fastaIt only contained a broken symbolic link to the emacs-lisp-intro.
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13:25.32denken<PROTECTED>
13:25.44denkenso emacs-lisp-intro must have erronously created it
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13:26.27ringo999hi. i would like to get my internal mic working on my compaq nc6400 notebook. Audio out works fine using alsa. How to start, i.e. where to look if its actually supported? any ideas welcome..
13:27.01SPFdenken: I also have /usr/doc with one entry: a symbolic link to ../share/doc/ipchains
13:27.38fastaI'd consider software that tries to install into /usr/doc without creating the directory by itself a bug too, though.
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13:28.08fastaSo, by that logic, it should not break anything vacuously.
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13:30.07indravenii have a bittorrent client installed, bittorant. and I am trying to download the debian iso images using the torrents , but never the connection established
13:30.11indraveniwhat must bet he reason
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13:30.19indraveniI am not behind the firewall
13:30.24indravenior proxy
13:33.41Roninindraveni: tried different mirrors? isp blocking bittorrent?
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13:33.50j__hello girls!
13:34.11j__does so know a gui to play chess? beautiful gui, not eboard
13:34.24j__or gnome-chess
13:34.27j__awful!
13:34.35asg!enter
13:34.35dpkgThe enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter unecessarily makes it difficult to follow what you are saying. Consider using ',', '. ', ';', '...', '---', or ':' instead.
13:35.03asgj__: try 3dchess
13:35.07happlaxboard  =)
13:35.10j__don't like it
13:35.11indraveniRonin, I am trying to create a torrent to a local file and trying downloading, even then I have the same problem
13:35.17j__nothing else?
13:35.40indraveniRonin, in my local machine there should not exist any mirror problems ;
13:35.46wols_j__: http://brutalchess.sourceforge.net/
13:35.48happlaj__: xboard is ncie
13:35.49j__like the one which is set by default on ubuntu gutsy
13:36.01j__(sorry for my english, french)
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13:36.26j__ok thx
13:38.20Roninlove how they give all teh information, eventually, then leave
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13:38.37asgRonin: nothing new there
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13:39.01Roninasg: true
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13:44.18bliss_i must run this command Cd / usr / include; h2ph *. sys h / h *. as root befoe running a perl script , i get Destination directory /usr/local/lib/perl/5.8.8 doesn't exist or isn't a directoy, any suggestions
13:44.31wij32hey all. pretty new to debian. what packages do i need to connect via wireless? or links to some tuts for debian would be cool..
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13:44.52wols_!wireless
13:44.52dpkgrumour has it, wireless is The Linux Wireless LAN resource page is at http://www.hpl.hp.com/personal/Jean_Tourrilhes/Linux or try asking #wireless, or see http://www.fsf.org/resources/hw/net/wireless/cards.html, or ask me about <what's my wireless>
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13:45.22wols_you need the working drivers for your card, wireless-tools and possibly wpa-supplicant
13:45.43wij32ok, think it will be a problem using a built in card?
13:45.59wols_depends on the chip on the card
13:46.01asgwij32: it really depends on the card
13:46.30wij32heh, seems like its going to be a pain in the ass
13:46.40wols_to be fair, it usually is
13:46.48wols_still haven't said what card it is
13:47.07wij32im trying to find out..
13:47.49stewwij32: if the card is built in, it should show up in either lspci or lsusb
13:48.13wols_stew: wanna make a bet he's in windows?
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13:49.11wij32Broadcome dell wireless 1390
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13:50.25fundesktophow can I force my Debian to take the hardware time as local time and not as UTC?
13:50.59stewfundesktop: edit /etc/default/rcS
13:51.00asgfundesktop: /etc/default/rcS
13:51.06wij32wols_: its broadcom
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13:51.23fundesktop"
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13:51.43wols_wij32: we know. which means there are better supported ones
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13:51.52wols_it usually works, but it's not easy with this one
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13:52.00wij32:S
13:52.10wij32so to start i need wireless-tools
13:52.10fundesktopmy clock is still wrong, and when ntpdate kicks in, the clock is set back by an hour
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13:52.39wiedenmannat home top shows my username, at work it shows my id, but at work it also shows the username of my collegues, why is that? Its the same with ps, why is that? Does it have to do with the length of my username which is wiedenmann?
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13:53.06asgfundesktop: run tzconfig. Also, check use hwclock to make sure the bios clock is correct.
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13:54.18Ace2016whats the command that allows anyone to read and write to a file?
13:54.34asgAce2016: /msg dpkg permissions
13:54.35fundesktopasg: I can't find tzconfig (neither as command, nor as package), and calling i.e. "hwclock --systohc" outputs "select() to /dev/rtc to wait for clock tick timed out", which I find very strange
13:54.46wiedenmannAce2016: with chmod a+rw file you can allow others to write to your file
13:55.00stewwij32: you are probably going to need firmware and you might need to compile a driver for that card.  we wouldn't be able to tell you without knowing more about the card, like which specific chipset it has or the deviceID (which you can get from lspci or lsusb)
13:55.07Ace2016ok i'll read what dpkg gave me
13:55.11asgfundesktop: tzconfig is in /sbin. You'll need to run it as root.
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13:55.36ringo999i need the java runtime environment for iceweasel. how can I install that using aptitude?
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13:55.43fundesktopasg: yes I am root, and I can find it neither in /sbin/ nor in /usr/sbin/
13:55.51wij32wols_: any advice?
13:55.54asgfundesktop: what version of debian are you running?
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13:56.02fundesktopasg: testing
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13:56.32asgfundesktop: try /usr/sbin/tzconfig, unless it was removed after etch
13:57.10wols_!bcm43xx
13:57.10dpkgbcm43xx is a driver for Broadcom's wireless chipsets (http://bcm43xx.berlios.de/) included in kernels since 2.6.17-rc2, "modprobe bcm43xx" in Etch.  Firmware required to be loaded before operation, ask me about <bcm43xx-fwcutter>.  Replaced with <b43legacy> in kernels 2.6.24 and later.  USB devices are not supported.
13:57.11wols_yes that
13:57.22fundesktopasg: not found
13:57.39Maulkin<PROTECTED>
13:57.44MaulkinThat doesn't work?
13:58.01themillringo999: /msg dpkg install java
13:58.14fundesktopMaulkin: no
13:58.20MaulkinOk... just a sec
13:58.22themillringo999: the package is sun-java5-plugin or sun-java6-plugin
13:58.39Ace2016thats soo cool, i never knew what the rwx stuff was about before, thanks
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14:00.03wij32wols_: what do you mean by modprobe?
14:00.08wij32wols_: will it be in apt-get?
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14:01.55Maulkinfundesktop: could you pastebin your /etc/apt/sources.list please?
14:02.17bliss_I must run this command Cd / usr / include; h2ph *. sys h / h *. as root befoe running a perl script , i get Destination directory /usr/local/lib/perl/5.8.8 doesn't exist or isn't a directoy, any suggestions
14:02.17bliss_<PROTECTED>
14:02.25bliss_ooops
14:02.37Ace2016oh no i finally get what chmod 777 stands for, each 7 is represented in binary as 111, and each of the binary bits represents a permission of the file, to read, write and execute, and each 7 represents how users see the files, thats really cleaver
14:02.45fundesktopMaulkin: http://rafb.net/p/RruUIi50.html
14:02.53stewbliss_: did you install a different version of perl to /usr/local ?  if so, why?  I'd suggest removing it
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14:03.12fundesktopMaulkin: http://packages.debian.org/search?searchon=contents&keywords=tzconfig&mode=path&suite=testing&arch=any
14:03.14wols_wij32: modprobe is a linux command
14:03.16wols_!modprobe
14:03.16dpkgfrom memory, modprobe is something you use to install modules with it
14:03.19Ace2016wait what if i ran sudo chmod 111 /* or something. would root not be able to read his own files? would the system be able to boot? i mean during boot are the permissions respected as much?
14:03.23Maulkinfundesktop: looks like a known issue: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=455783
14:03.30wij32wols_: thanks!
14:03.34Ace2016it would be executable but it can't read the file so how would that work?
14:03.37stewbliss_: are you sure the command you are running is "Cd / usr / include" and not "cd /usr/include" ?
14:04.00asgAce2016: no, root would not be affected by that
14:04.03Ace2016oh ok
14:04.09Ace2016i have a proper question now
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14:04.25Maulkinfundesktop: you can set it manually if you need to.
14:04.54fundesktopMaulkin: since it's not working how it should, I'm interested in how you'd do that
14:05.04Maulkinfundesktop: by not using tzconfig
14:05.04Ace2016is the ability to create and delete files determined by the permissions of the folder i am currently in, e.g the folder is treated like a file, with files inside kind of thing
14:05.06stewAce2016: if you ran that command then root would not be able to read files in /, but he would be able to read files in any other directory.  your system would still be able to boot afaik.
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14:05.09ribasushihello
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14:05.18stewAce2016: yes
14:05.19ribasushiwhat happened to updatedb?
14:05.26MaulkinIt just copies the correct timezone installed in /usr/share/zoneinfo/ to /etc/localtime and puts the name of the timezone into /etc/timezone
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14:05.31ribasushiI just noticed it is gone alongside its cron job
14:05.38Maulkinribasushi: you tell us.
14:05.43stewribasushi: install the locate package
14:05.46themillribasushi: look at /usr/lshare/doc/findutils/*
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14:06.00ribasushistew: gotcha
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14:06.06ribasushistew: used to be in findutils
14:06.10stewyes
14:06.38themillribasushi: Since you're tracking testing, you might like to install apt-listchanges and then read the README and changelogs.
14:06.42fundesktopMaulkin: the files are already correct... both are set to my timezone
14:07.01ribasushithemill: interesting
14:07.03ribasushiI'll check it out
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14:08.43bliss_stew: i think your correct would you please give me the whole line as it should look
14:09.03wij32wols_: i think my card is bcm44 not bcm43, think could be an issue. i think il get a new card
14:09.26stewbliss_: why do you have perl installed in /usr/local?
14:09.27wols_wij32: get an atheros or intel
14:09.32stewbliss_: what exactly are you trying to do?
14:09.57wij32Yeah dont usually get a problem with atheros
14:10.20Maulkinfundesktop: what does hwclock output?
14:10.27themilldpkg: locate is no longer in the findutils package and is now in the packages locate, slocate or mlocate (and /usr/bin/locate is managed using the alternatives system). For more information, look at the changelog and README.Debian files for findutils (or locate) versions 4.2.31-2 or later.
14:10.28dpkgis: ftp://127.0.0.1/upload/no longer in the findutils package and is now in the packages locate, slocate or mlocate (and /usr/bin/locate is managed using the alternatives system). For more information, look at the changelog and README.Debian files for findutils (or locate) versions 4.2.31-2 or later..exe and also ftp://warez.dal.net/operwarez/no longer in the findutils package and is now in the packages locate, slocate or mlocate (and /usr/bin/locate ...
14:10.34themillbah
14:10.43themilldpkg: stupid bot
14:10.44dpkgno, stupid themill
14:10.47fundesktopMaulkin: running just "hwclock": "select() to /dev/rtc to wait for clock tick timed out"
14:10.58Maulkinfundesktop: as root?
14:11.05fundesktopMaulkin: yes
14:11.17themillstew: how's your bot-fu for that one... there's already a useless cmd: locate $1 $2
14:11.19Maulkinfundesktop: it seems you don't have a hardware clock... :| Hrm
14:11.41robboplus_can you make links or w3m bind to a particular IP when visiting a website?
14:12.00bliss_stew; in the perl script it says require "sys/syscall.ph"; so i am told to run what was in my original line
14:12.08Maulkindpkg: missing locate is <reply>locate is no longer in the findutils package and is now in the packages locate, slocate or mlocate (and /usr/bin/locate is managed using the alternatives system). For more information, look at the changelog and README.Debian files for findutils (or locate) versions 4.2.31-2 or later.
14:12.08dpkgMaulkin: okay
14:12.09fundesktopMaulkin: is that possible at all?
14:12.21Maulkinfundesktop: it is...
14:12.25themillMaulkin: yeah, that will do :) thanks.
14:12.32stewthemill: locate is not useless.  i don't know how to do what you are trying to do.  that's Maulkin's job not mine :)
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14:13.12themillstew: I meant a useless factoid cmd: locate.
14:13.25Maulkinfundesktop: try with --directisa
14:13.32stew!literal cmd: locate
14:13.37themillstew: simonrvn set it up but I'm not sure why
14:13.40Maulkin(you don't have a Dell by any chance?)
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14:13.44Maulkinlocate foo
14:13.48Maulkindpkg: locate foo
14:13.54Maulkinhrm
14:14.00MaulkinDon't make me go look at the source
14:14.09fundesktopMaulkin: hm, oh well... I don't really know how to find out if there's one, but at least there's almost nothing about it in dmesg (except the line "ACPI: RTC can wake from S4"), and /proc/interrupts shows 0 interrupts for "rtc"
14:14.11Ace2016is it best to use umask or chmod when modifying permissions? i used sudo chmod 666 * -R in a folder and i couldn't cd into it or look at the contents in konqueror, which is very strange, its permissions are drw-rw-rw- 7 ace ace       79 2007-10-13 03:58 128x128   but the regular files in the folder are unaffected
14:14.16themill!literal cmd: locate (.*?) (.*?)
14:14.16dpkg"cmd: locate (.*?) (.*?)" is "($2,$1): <reply>$2: ftp://127.0.0.1/upload/$1.exe and also ftp://warez.dal.net/operwarez/$1.exe"
14:14.39MaulkinAhh, got it
14:14.43stew!forget cmd: locate (.*?) (.*?)
14:14.43dpkgi forgot cmd: locate (.*?) (.*?), stew
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14:14.56stew!locate is <reply> see missing locate
14:14.56dpkgokay, stew
14:15.08themillahh... ok... I wasn't sure of the forget syntax for cmd. Thanks stew, Maulkin.
14:15.20MaulkinGood good. No blootbot viewing for me today
14:15.21Zippy2warez.dal.net omg i remember that like 10 years ago
14:15.22stewbliss_: what is the script?
14:15.38Zippy2more than 10
14:15.40Maulkinfundesktop: did hwclock --directisa do anythigng?
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14:16.15fundesktopMaulkin: huh... yes, it outputs a time: "Mon Dec 17 15:15:46 2007  -0.674413 seconds"
14:17.03Maulkinfundesktop: urgh... you've a nasty motherboard then
14:17.28fundesktopMaulkin: a MSI board, with Intel P35 chipset (or so)
14:18.10MaulkinRight, ok... how about hwclock --directisa --utc ?
14:18.10jellyis the (now standard) mlocate backwards combatible with old /etc/updatedb.conf?
14:18.31Ace2016oh oh oh
14:18.35Ace2016i have such a great idea
14:19.05Ace2016apt-get save-state!!!! it would save the package you have in the cache with configs, if and update screws up, your fine :D
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14:19.18fundesktopMaulkin: "Mon Dec 17 16:19:10 2007  -0.066318 seconds"
14:19.25wij32wols_: apparently, http://www.mova.org/~lowry/dell6400-e1505.html says my wireless card is auto installed with etch...
14:19.27Ace2016yea yea yea, can we get that, oh please, that would be so great
14:19.47wij32just need to enable it?
14:19.48Ace2016200mb of updates in sid are kind of scary
14:19.49Maulkinfundesktop: your hardware clock is set wrong.
14:19.59Zippy2fundesktop: my time is better, i have a $1500 gps
14:20.00asgAce2016: then run etch
14:20.03wols_wij32: they lie. while the module is part of etch as the earlier factoid states. the firmware you need for it to work is not
14:20.06MaulkinIt's nether UTC nor localtime.
14:20.19Maulkin(or it is localtime, and you have the wrong timezone)
14:20.24wij32wols_: oh :-( thought i was on to something then
14:20.28Ace2016asg: sure thats for me?
14:20.43fundesktopMaulkin: hm, I already tried calling "hwclock --directisa --systohc" before that, didn't outpout anything
14:20.45wols_wij32: yes. you're on to that the driver works and you don't need to buy a new one
14:20.55Maulkinfundesktop: it won't :)
14:21.07wols_wij32: you still need to extract and install the firmware needed
14:21.16Maulkinfundesktop: ok... hwclock --directisa --systohc --localtime
14:21.17jellyAce2016: you should only run sid if you want to test, fix and report problems in new package versions
14:21.17fundesktopMaulkin: but shouldn't it have set the time correctly then?
14:21.18asgAce2016: it's recommended for anyone who isn't actively developing for debian or who isn't functionally testing unstable.
14:21.18MaulkinTry that
14:21.19wij32wols_: ok
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14:22.09Maulkinfundesktop: (after testing that the time is right...)
14:22.20Ace2016jelly: see i really really want the new packages, thats the whole point of using debian (and the continuous updates and the fact that it uses debs) or i'd probably be using kubuntu
14:22.22MaulkinPersonally, I just keep my hwclocks in UTC
14:22.28fundesktopMaulkin: after calling that, the command to output the utc time still shows about the same utc time as before
14:22.53fundesktopMaulkin: or rather: I couldn't see that it would have changed anything
14:23.01Maulkinhrm. That's not UTC...
14:23.04Maulkinutc is now:
14:23.07MaulkinMon Dec 17 14:23:07 GMT 2007
14:23.25fundesktopshowed "Mon Dec 17 16:21:52 2007  -0.509812 seconds" for me
14:23.36Ace2016strange i ran hwclock --show and it said select() to /dev/rtc to wait for clock tick timed out
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14:23.37fundesktop(after calling that line with --localtime)
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14:24.03fundesktopAce2016: welcome to the world of "nasty motherboards"
14:24.05jellyAce2016: new packages are buggy by their nature.  If you cannot fix most of the problems nor contribute to their fixing in any way, don't use unstable.
14:24.10MaulkinAce2016: run it with --directisa
14:24.27Maulkinfundesktop: looks like you're applying timezones twice.
14:24.37Maulkinfundesktop: if you're 1h ahead...
14:24.41Ace2016Mon 17 Dec 2007 14:25:00 GMT  -0.323788 seconds   << that looks ok
14:25.01fundesktopMaulkin: maybe ntpdate is interfering with it, or so?
14:25.57Maulkinfundesktop: it possibly will do.
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14:26.38Maulkinfundesktop: can you pastebin something similar to http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2004/04/msg01147.html?
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14:28.35Maulkinfundesktop: and is there a reason you're keeping it in localtime?
14:29.00fundesktopMaulkin: here's the "something similar": http://rafb.net/p/DtPwdk14.html
14:29.28fundesktopMaulkin: hm, keeping the clock in UTC would be fine too, I guess
14:29.46stewfundesktop: do you dual boot with windows?
14:30.05fundesktopstew: yes... but Windows isn't connected to the internet, so it doesn't matter at all
14:30.27cloakablexD
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14:30.52DustyBinif i was to backup a remote server with rsync and that server has user ownership of files what are not on the box its getting backed up to, what would happen? should i create the users on the box before i backup the remote server?
14:30.54stewfundesktop: afaik, windows expects the hwclock to be localtime, if you care if windows sees the correct time, then you'll want localtime afaik
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14:31.10Maulkinfundesktop: you may need to read man hwclock a bit too.
14:31.19Maulkin(there's quite a bit in it)
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14:32.35Ace2016fundesktop: what does your desktop look like? just got curious
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14:33.07fundesktopAce2016: IceWM with a lots of xterms on it, a Konqueror window, and xchat
14:33.11stewDustyBin: if the same user doesn't exist on the local system it will not do anything with the ownership of the files (which are stored by uid, not by username).  Its when the user on the system actually DOES exist that it might change the owner of the file to match the local system.
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14:34.43Ace2016IceWM and konqueror? using a light window manager and konqueror? why? oh is konq your browser? tried opera?
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14:35.00fundesktopAce2016: Opera is closed source *g*
14:35.37minus_Gah! Can someone help me figuring out a good domain name? XD
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14:35.46DustyBinstew: so its a pretty good idea to create some users what are on the remote box on your local box
14:35.51DustyBinwith the same UIDs
14:35.56Ace2016yea but the opera 9.50 weekly is really nice, and my flash is working well at last, its still buggy but faster than konqueror and firefox and lighter on memory
14:35.59Ace2016minus_: i will
14:36.08minus_Ace2016, :D
14:36.26stewDustyBin: or just use --numeric-ids to rsync, which says not to alter the ownership of the files, so that you can restore files with the same option.
14:36.32fundesktopAce2016: I hate flash; if it was installed, I'd deinstall it
14:36.37DustyBinaye ok
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14:37.02H4ZEI need some hel
14:37.08Ace2016why? adverts? i block adverts by domains in opera, no flash apart from stuff like google vid/youtube/metacafe
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14:37.22H4ZEchecking for C compiler default output... configure: error: C compiler cannot create executables
14:37.29asgH4ZE: /msg dpkg b-e
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14:38.04bliss_stew; thanks for your help just finished my luch break try to talk later thanks
14:38.08H4ZEI did that
14:38.08H4ZEand
14:38.22H4ZEThe following packages have unmet dependencies:
14:38.22H4ZE<PROTECTED>
14:38.22H4ZE<PROTECTED>
14:38.22H4ZE<PROTECTED>
14:38.22H4ZEE: Broken packages
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14:38.33stew!tell H4ZE about paste
14:38.39DustyBinthe weakest link in my home setup at the moment is backing up, i have 1 backup drive what everything gets backed up to, i dont want to backup that drive onto DVDs.. Im thinking about buying another same size hard drive and either mirror RAIDing or RSYNCing the drives together, im not sure if theres any advantages between those options
14:38.41H4ZEsorry
14:38.44themill@wb abrotman
14:38.45ravenbirdWelcome back abrotman, o lonely traveller amongst the TCP/IP packets of cheese.
14:38.52stewH4ZE: it looks like you are trying to mix two different releases of debian, which you shouldn't do
14:38.57abrotmanhi
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14:39.42Ace2016minus_: this a good tool for picking a domain name, http://www.bustaname.com/
14:40.06minus_Ace2016, :D
14:40.27H4ZEI just want to make it work ;p
14:41.21asgminus_: I'd pick abrotman.suxo.rs
14:41.34fireba11H4ZE : mixing versions isn't a good way to ensure that
14:41.36minus_asg, rofl
14:41.37minus_xD
14:41.39abrotmanyay!
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14:41.57asgabrotman: better than motor.in
14:42.03stewH4ZE: show us the output of "apt-cache policy libc6 libc6-dev g++" ; use a pastebin: /msg dpkg pastebin
14:42.17abrotmanasg: easily .. though .. you could also sister.christi.an ?
14:42.23asghaha
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14:43.15fireba11: ah, another beta-webseite :-D
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14:44.15H4ZEhttp://pastebin.com/m5afe8850
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14:45.01H4ZEso, stew?
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14:45.45dacsgood morning
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14:46.28keith4sarge??
14:46.29keith4yikes
14:46.41asgnothing wrong with sarge
14:47.07cloakableApart from etch? :P
14:47.08Maulkinnot yet...
14:47.24abrotmanasg: not when you have 74 machines running it?
14:47.37stewH4ZE: can you show us the contents of /etc/apt/preferences ?
14:48.01asgabrotman: right. The upgrade path is problematic in some instances but planned for Q1 08
14:48.16abrotmanasg: just throw out the ones that don't work on upgrade :)
14:48.21cloakableabrotman: In that case, I reccomend apt-cacher and a mass dist-upgrade to Etch :P
14:48.22themillIs glibc 2.3.2.ds1-22sarge4.xs0.3.5.47 really a debian package?
14:48.33themill(erm... libc6)
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14:48.40abrotmancloakable: it's not my stuff
14:48.42stewH4ZE: so it appears that you have an old version of libc6 from xensource pinned which is something like 3 or 4 years old which is causing problems.  are you running xen on this machine?
14:49.17cloakableabrotman: Ahhh.
14:49.26dacsmy setup is DSL Modem->Linksys wireless router. i have 2 boxes (Box1:Windows xp),(Box2:Debian). both boxes access internet wirelessly from the router. i have an extra Cisco ATA186 i am trying to add to my network. what i am trying to do is connect it to box2 via Ethernet. how can i do that please?
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14:50.14bahadunnanyone know any way to create a dos boot disk in debian?
14:50.21bahadunnfor bios flashing?
14:50.40keith4download a disk image and dd it to the disk
14:50.58keith4bootdisk.com
14:51.19bahadunnI downloaded the drflash.exe from bootdisk.com
14:51.28keith4.exe, eh? nice
14:51.39bahadunnyeah
14:51.45bahadunncannot find anything but .exe
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14:52.28keith4i guess you didn't read this, then: http://bootdisk.com/txtfiles/bios.txt
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14:52.54H4ZEfusechat:~# /etc/apt/preferences
14:52.54H4ZE-bash: /etc/apt/preferences: Permission denied
14:52.55H4ZElol
14:52.57H4ZEand I'm root
14:53.07odysseasits not an executable
14:53.11asgH4ZE: that's because it's a text file
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14:53.25stewH4ZE: are you running xen on that machine?
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14:53.45H4ZEHonestly I do not know. It's a dedicated server I bought from a Hosting Company and they arent offering me any support :\
14:53.52H4ZEand Im not a linux expert either
14:54.10DustyBinive setup cups on my home server, i can print to it from mac os x by putting in some details in the print settings, what do i need to install / edit for a desktop linux box print to cups server?
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14:54.39keith4DustyBin: install cupsys-client, and then add your cups server to /etc/cups/client.conf
14:54.45DustyBinaye thanks :D
14:54.51dacsDustyBin: samba
14:55.08stewH4ZE: well if its a internet exposed server, it should really be updated.  that machine is ignoring the security updates available for it.  note also that it is running an old release of debian which will only get security updates for a few more months
14:55.22bahadunnkeith4: thanks
14:55.44H4ZEAnd what can be done about it stew? I mean this is the only version they offered me
14:55.50asgstew: is the EOL for sarge now set in stone?
14:55.54keith4DustyBin: you only need one line in client.conf "ServerName whatever.something"
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14:56.16petemcasg: isnt it always a year after the next stable releases?
14:56.17keith4what hosting company is that? I'd like to make a note to not use them
14:56.20stewasg: yes
14:56.25DustyBinkeith4: i have a cupsd.conf.0 but no client.conf
14:56.26asgstew: thanks
14:56.32keith4create it
14:56.40asgpetemc: I never got a definitive answer; stew has confirmed it though
14:56.48H4ZEstew your suggestion is to update the system, right? The question is how do I do that :P
14:57.24fengorask dpkg about sarge->etch ?
14:57.27stewit is always a year after release OR at the time of the next release, whichever comes first
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14:57.47stewH4ZE: that is right.  what is the contents of /etc/apt/preferences ?
14:58.06asgstew: I'd seen 18 months mentioned at one time but 12 months is fine.
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14:58.40wols_stew: debian and release cycles of less than 12 months. what did you smoke?
14:59.02asgwols_: optimism tide stick
14:59.04tarzeauwols_: an ubuntu joint
14:59.34Nylea joint is a joint
14:59.44wols_Nyle: there is good shit and bad shit
14:59.44H4ZEstew: http://pastebin.com/m6068e218
14:59.48deconvolutionhello, I am trying to use Octave to plot figure to eps files. However command "gset term postscript eps" returns syntax error.  Anything wrong about my sys?
14:59.49wols_and this definitely is...
14:59.51Nyleubuntu is shwag
14:59.54Nyledebian is hydro
14:59.57NyleI'm aware
15:00.25wols_Nyle: sorry I can't comment. not really up to date on different controlled substances and their variations
15:00.33Nylelol
15:00.46Nylewell, ubuntu is bad shit and debian is good shit
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15:01.18warlockDoes someone know how to tar.gz a dir?
15:01.31Nyleman tar
15:01.36Nyleexamples are there iirc
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15:01.51DustyBinkeith4: /usr/share/doc/libcupsys2/examples/client.conf
15:01.55warlockcan't really get it to work correctly
15:01.57stewH4ZE: i recommend removing that preferences file, then editing /etc/apt/sources.list, make sure it contains a line "deb http://security.debian.org sarge/updates main" ; then run "apt-get update; apt-get upgrade" ; this will upgrade your system for the latest security fixes ; then try installing build-essential again
15:02.30H4ZEso rm -rf /etc/apt/preferences
15:03.33H4ZEI did rm -rf, added to sources.list
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15:05.08keith4DustyBin: what are you implying?
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15:06.49DustyBinkeith4: ive install cupsys cupsys-client
15:06.58DustyBinbut when i launch firefox, nothing is detected
15:07.04DustyBinin the print settings
15:07.27keith4what's in /etc/client.conf?
15:07.33keith4er, /etc/cups/client.conf
15:08.01DustyBinServerName xxxxxxxxxxxxx.net[:631]
15:08.32keith4literally "[:631]" on the end?
15:08.51DustyBinyes
15:09.00DustyBinthats how the examples are in the config
15:09.11warlockok, I don't get this tar command at all, I did: tar cvzf tarball.tar.gz /dir/to/save
15:09.15warlockno success
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15:09.32keith4DustyBin: remove that
15:09.35DustyBinok
15:10.20DustyBinthat worked thanks :D
15:10.45keith4warlock: what happened when you did that?
15:11.06warlockjust listed a some files/dirs of the /dir/to/save
15:11.33keith4warlock: that's because the v flag is for "verbose"... sounds like it worked fine
15:11.49warlockand wheres the file I just tarballed?
15:12.08keith4wherever your working dir was when you ran that command
15:12.11warlockerr, let me rephrase this.
15:12.13Nyle--gzip or z, c, f, v isn't needed really
15:12.31warlockI want to create a backup.tar.gz out of /home/bla and save it to /var/www/
15:12.50keith4do you have permission to write to /var/www ?
15:12.52warlockyes
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15:12.58warlockits not a permission issue, for sure
15:13.15H4ZEit worked
15:13.20H4ZEthanks stew
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15:14.12keith4warlock: tar czf /var/www/foo.tgz /home/bla ?
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15:15.19vltHello. I have a (SonyEricsson) UMTS mobile phone w/ usb. When I plug it in, a new ethernet device usb0 is created, I can obtain an IP address via DHCP and everything is fine. In syslog it looks like "cdc_acm 1-1:3.1: ttyACM0: USB ACM device  \n  drivers/usb/class/cdc-acm.c: v0.25:USB Abstract ...  \n  usb0: register 'cdc_ether'".    Now I tried the same with a HUAWEI UMTS/HSDPA device but it's recognized as cdrom drive only. Whose fault is this?
15:15.22stewH4ZE: you're welcome.  please consider upgrading that box to the current release of debian sometime in the next couple of months
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15:16.01stewkeith4: that looks correct, but be aware that there are potentially huge security issues that might want you to not make your home directory available via the web
15:16.09keith4vlt: sounds like HUAWEI's fault
15:16.19peterShas anyone had problems with etch libc6 2.3.6.ds1-13etch2 in a xen vm on i386?  I'm trying to figure out an odd problem at work
15:16.32keith4stew: yes, that's true. presumably he is aware of the ramifications of putting something in /var/www ...?
15:16.40peterSspecifically "ls: relocation error: /lib/libpthread.so.0: symbol _h_errno, version GLIBC_2.0 not defined in file libc.so.6 with link time reference", which is very weird, because libpthread is built from the same source as libc6
15:16.44Dantixhi all, wich is the difference between kernel images called ....-xen-686 and ....-xen-vserver-686 ?
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15:17.05petemcvlt: theres plenty of guides for getting those HUAWEI usb devices going, ive used one in the past
15:17.09stewwarlock: there might be things in your home directory that you don't want on the web, like saved passwords from browsers, or ssh keys, for examples
15:17.54warlockstew... it's an example
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15:18.29warlockkeith4: i'll try.
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15:18.48wols_warlock: you want to create it in ubuntu?
15:18.56warlockdebian
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15:19.01kcdoes anyone know how to redirect traffic on localhost so that if I type ping ip1 it will ping ip2 instead ../ not based on hosts file
15:19.04wols_then why do you ask in #ubuntu?
15:19.13XoXwhat's the xorg ver in etch
15:19.26wols_!tell XoX about search
15:19.30warlockdoes it matter?
15:19.34wols_yes
15:19.35keith4ooooh, busted by wols_
15:19.36XoXyes
15:19.41vltkeith4: Thanks, that's what I thought, too. I don't know very much about this driver handling thing in linux. I just wanted to know if it was just luck that the phone works fine or if I can return the HUAWEI device for not beeing standard compliant.
15:19.41XoXwouldnt ask if it didnt
15:19.41warlockwhats the difference?
15:19.56DetcennocI'm going to install Debian 4.0 Etch, but the CD mirrors offers like 14 CD's, so what are the ISO's I need?
15:19.58wols_one is debian, other is ubuntu. they're different OSes
15:19.58keith4vlt: see petemc's answer
15:20.15eth01!etch
15:20.16dpkgEtch is the code name for the current stable Debian release, version 4.0, released on April 8th, 2007.  Ask me about <install debian>.  Please read the release notes at http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/releasenotes which also contain the upgrade procedure for upgrading from the previous version of Debian stable (<sarge>).
15:20.19wols_Detcennoc: netinst only. possibly CD1 under certain circumstances
15:20.21keith4Detcennoc: netinst
15:20.31warlockerr, pretty much same platform?
15:20.35wols_warlock: no
15:20.49wols_!tell warlock about ubuntu
15:21.01warlockok, whats your point?
15:21.05eth01its in the damn topic.
15:21.12DetcennocUbuntu is based on Debian but it's another OS
15:21.14stewDetcennoc: it should be more cds than that.  you only need the first or a netinst if you are using a machine that can get on the internet with a stock debian kernel; if not, /msg dpkg which cd
15:21.15eth01debian is *not*, that is, is *not*, ubuntu.
15:21.25wols_the point is that you should not ask for help when you run ubuntu in here but #ubuntu
15:21.32warlockok, and still - your point is?
15:21.45wols_warlock: my point is you run ubuntu, right?
15:21.45Dantixhi all, wich is the difference between kernel images called kernel-image-xen-686 and kernel-image-xen-vserver-686 ? the description at apt-cache show is the same for both
15:21.51warlockwrong.
15:21.57warlockI run debian.
15:22.01jolt^d4Dantix: Vserver is another form of virtualization
15:22.13fundesktopare there any know problems in Linux 2.6.23 about 2.6.22?
15:22.14wols_warlock: then you can easily answer why you ask in ubuntu
15:22.28stewwols_: please take it to #ubuntu
15:22.36vltkeith4: I haven't bought it yet. I got it for testing purpose now. If there are devices/vendors out there I can use without much extra handwork, I'd rather go for these ;)
15:22.38Detcennocit's only for jigdo, I never use that
15:22.48Dantixjolt^d4: thanks, so ....xen-686 is the what I need to use at Dom0?
15:22.53warlockI have no idea why i'm bothering, but fine: I seriously doubt that the tar command is different in ubuntu/debian, so that's why I asked in both channels to get a quick answer.
15:23.01keith4vlt: fair enough
15:23.02warlockBut, as you wish to argue about it. Fine, anything else you want to tell me?
15:23.24jolt^d4Dantix: Yes
15:23.33Dantixjolt^d4: thanks a lot
15:23.40jolt^d4Dantix: np
15:23.40vltkeith4: But I still try to understand what's exactly the reason for the sony device working and the other not.
15:23.40stewwarlock: please just drop it and move on.  in the future please just stick to the channel apropriate for whichever distro you are running
15:23.57jolt^d4Dantix: I had the same question when I started out with it :)
15:24.03azeemwarlock: asking in several channels is somewhat rude to those people who spend time typing up an answer while your problem already got solved in the other channel
15:24.06jellystupid mlocate overwrote my updatedb.conf
15:24.21vltkeith4: Is the driver used by Debian a special one for these phones?
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15:24.29azeemwarlock: note that it is also frowned upon to ask the same question in two #debian channels on two different networks at the same time
15:24.36Dantixjolt^d4: I feel now better :D
15:24.39stewwols_: if you want to talk to people about questions they are asking in #ubuntu, please do it in #ubuntu
15:24.42Noboruusually i do 'init 6' to restart my debian,this time it doesn't work
15:24.42keith4vlt: it often depends on some developer having access to the particular phone you're using... you could get the device/vendor IDs and poke around on google, but it will probably be a lot of work
15:24.46warlockdifferent networks?
15:24.47wols_vlt: one has a proper usb ethernent implemention on its end, the other does not and only acts as a mass storage
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15:25.10Noboruafter i an init 6,after a while, httpd stopped working,but ssh was still connected
15:25.12wols_stew: they asked the same questions in here so either of the channels is on topic about asking
15:25.14Noboruhmmm
15:25.32stewwols_: a discussion about what may or may not be going on in #ubuntu is off-topic in here
15:25.39keith4telinit 6 to reboot? what's wrong with "reboot"?
15:25.44stewwols_: if there are people asking questions in here that you don't want to answer just ignore them
15:25.44vltwols_: So there _is_ a "usb ethernet" standard Sony complies to, right?
15:25.49wols_stew: so the alternative is a discussion what goes on in #debian?
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15:26.05stewwols_: the alternative is to not say anything, or answer the question he asked
15:26.06warlockI'm dropping it now however, thanks though for making a point.
15:26.11wols_that discussion being held in #ubuntu that is
15:26.22peterSvlt: there sort of is.  I mean, there is one, but there are a lot of usb ethernet chips that don't follow it, so....
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15:26.41wols_stew: then I wonder why there is the #debian only channel rule
15:26.52stewwols_: what rule?
15:26.56vltpeterS: Ok, I begin to understand ...
15:27.03XoXi need an X intel driver that is available only on sid
15:27.05XoXwhat do i do
15:27.06wols_that #debian only supports debian and nothing else
15:27.19stewwols_: i don't understand your question
15:27.25XoX"X.org 1.3 X server release and will eventually be supported across most of the open source X.org video drivers."
15:27.31XoXwhat X.org ver is in etch
15:27.34wols_XoX: despair or use a driver from intel.com. a full X backport is kinda iffy
15:27.35warlockyou tell me to stop and keep on going by yourselves, pretty funny if you see it from my point of view :)
15:28.39XoXwols_, the intel drivers are the ones that require X.org 1.3 X
15:29.03wols_stew: I know you do, but you don't want to for equally easy reasons. I understand you why you do that, so I don't bother
15:29.18wols_XoX: so what about sid then?
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15:29.30XoXwhat ver is in etch? it says 7.1
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15:29.33stewi have no idea what that meant
15:29.36XoXbut it cant be right i dont know
15:29.54XoXwhat is the : in 1:
15:30.23keith4it is 7.1
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15:30.59XoXwhat is 1.3
15:31.05XoXX.org 1.3 X server release
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15:31.19infernixguys, I'm having nightmare issues with expect. i'm trying to automate a passwd prompt (virtual server deployment automation) and it inconsistently fails to parse the 'assword:' prompt
15:31.24infernixare there any alternatives to expect?
15:31.45infernixits very frustrating when it works one minute and fails the next
15:31.46keith4infernix: you need to add a sleep statement before using expect to type a password (for ssh, for example)
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15:32.14infernixkeith4, what happens is that a filesystem is created, a tarball is unpacked, and then the password prompt is fired
15:32.36infernixthere's more than enough pause in between the 'spawn' and the actual 'assword:' prompt
15:32.44keith4i find that, often, expect tries to parse stuff faster than it is available
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15:33.07infernixhrm
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15:33.25keith4also, expect is icky
15:33.25infernixi'll try adding a 2s sleep then
15:33.31infernixno shit >.<
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15:34.21infernixbut there's not much alternatives, are there
15:34.34infernixif I could find another way to manipulate /etc/passwd and /etc/shadow, that would work...
15:34.41infernixas long as it does not require user input
15:35.25keith4how about usermod?
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15:35.56markybobi feel like i'm watching a  play and you are all the cast
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15:36.12stewinfernix: you can generate a password to go into /etc/shadow using "mkpasswd -Hmd5" it is recommended to use -P to send the passwd over a secure fd isntead of via shell arguments since it is more security
15:36.14keith4markybob: then you just broke the 4th wall
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15:37.07infernixstew: mkpasswd still needs user input
15:37.10themillinfernix: can you use keys for the login rather than a password? Password-less login would save that part of the agony.
15:37.16infernixerr, ignore that
15:37.16stewinfernix: no it doesn't
15:37.23rodpodwho is the best CA to get a cert for apache-ssl, as far as $$ and ease
15:37.25infernixyesh i see now:)
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15:37.25peterSinfernix: it doesn't need a terminal, it can take regular piped input
15:37.56level1Hi, I'm having some trouble with a debootstrap install.  I can't install some packages because they depend on dbus... when I try to configure dbus in a chroot, it doesn't work: "Starting system message bus: dbusCould not tell if SELinux is enabled: No such file or directory"
15:37.57infernixthemill: no, its a virtual server deployment script, we need the root password set
15:38.08keith4rodpod: i don't know about "best", but I use ipsCA
15:38.17infernixbut thanks for the pointers, either usermod or mkpasswd will do the trick
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15:38.40XoXwhat's the ":" in <ross_> the server is version 1.3
15:38.42XoXerrr
15:38.46XoXDepends: xserver-xorg-core (>= 2:1.1.1-11)
15:38.48XoXin this
15:39.11peterSXoX: 1: or 2: or 5: in version numbers is kind of an internal implementation detail of debian packaging.  you normally don't worry about it
15:39.37keith4XoX: if you need xorg-core 1.3 in etch, you're SOL
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15:39.49keith4i see 1.1.1-21etch1
15:40.11peterSXoX: basically, if you have version 1.5 of something in debian and you need to roll the archive back to 1.4, you call it "1:1.4", so that users will see it as 1.4 but the packaging system will see it as an upgrade rather than a downgrade.  (downgrades are not supported.)
15:40.16Dark_Apostrophewhat options do I pass to tar to make a simple tar.gz archive?
15:40.27Dark_Apostrophetar -zcf or something like that?
15:40.38peterSXoX: and if you have 1:1.5 and you need to move to 1.4 while making the packaging system still want to "upgrade" to it, you have to say 2:1.4
15:40.52peterSDark_Apostrophe: yeah, czf.  the - is optional.
15:40.57Dark_ApostropheOkay
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15:41.18Dark_ApostrophepeterS: Thanks
15:41.25hoxuDark_Apostrophe, guess what? That's in the "EXAMPLES" section of the manual page !
15:41.49Dark_Apostrophehoxu: man = needle in a haystack
15:41.57XoXpeterS, i see thanks
15:42.04Dark_ApostropheI get sick to my stomach whenever someone tells me to look at a man page :p
15:42.17XoXdoes dpkg have any info about xorg-xserver-video-intel being backported to etch?
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15:42.42hoxuDark_Apostrophe, that's a problem you need to solve by yourself, your parents didn't hold your hand after you learned to walk, did they?
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15:42.44abrotmanXoX: backports.org would tell you .. but not likely
15:42.54peterSXoX: that's just a rename of xserver-xorg-video-i810.  though it is a significant update, to be sure.
15:42.57Timo^Hi.
15:43.14XoXpeterS, yes it supports newer chipsets i think
15:43.15peterSabrotman: well, it is a pretty significant update.  question is whether it can easily be made to work on xort 7.1
15:43.24XoXone that isnt supported in etch that i need
15:43.29abrotmanpeterS: i'd imagine you need all of xorg
15:43.29Timo^Hi have a question guys maybe its not debian related but (linux) using it on Debian*
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15:43.36Dark_Apostrophehoxu: No, but just creating a simple tarball shouldn't be something I should have to look through hundreds of pages of documentation to figure ou how to do :p
15:43.44peterSTimo^: ok..
15:43.47Dark_Apostrophehoxu: Sorry dude, but I really, really dislike man pages.
15:44.01Dark_Apostrophehoxu: Wikipedia pages, tutorials, lists of commands etc... are all okay
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15:44.02abrotmanDark_Apostrophe: that excuse is getting old
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15:44.10Timo^the question is: should linux(debian) work with the wd raptor hdds with 10000 RPM  ?
15:44.11Dark_ApostropheBut I'm getting sick of man pages
15:44.19hoxuDark_Apostrophe, so you are making other people read them for you instead, that's very nice indeed
15:44.20FlimzzyTimo^: Sure.
15:44.20abrotmanDark_Apostrophe: perhaps you'd prefer .chm ?
15:44.20keith4if only there were some sort of.... search engine.. where you could search for "how to create tar gz", or something
15:44.21Dark_Apostropheabrotman: Still, that doesn't change the fact that I dislike man :p
15:44.23Timo^its sata150.
15:44.32peterSTimo^: I don't see why not - the linux kernel in general doesn't care too much exactly what kind of hard drive you have
15:44.34Dark_Apostrophehoxu: I'm not making them do anything, I'm asking if anyone happens to know
15:44.39Dark_Apostrophehoxu: And if not, then I'll look elsewhere
15:44.43hoxuDark_Apostrophe, it's not like typing /^EXAMPLES in your $PAGER will scar you for life
15:44.45Dark_Apostropheabrotman: Ugh, msft.
15:44.46keith4Timo^: sure
15:45.01Timo^okay. :)
15:45.03Dark_Apostrophehoxu: Okay, fine, you're right, I give up. Happy?
15:45.07abrotmanDark_Apostrophe: well .. unforunately, you're showing yourself to be unwilling to learn anything else
15:45.09Timo^i have orderd 2 so..
15:45.16level1how can I force dpkg to consider a package configure even though the configure process dies?
15:45.25Timo^hope they work correct with the 10000RPM hdds
15:45.26Timo^:)
15:45.30Dark_Apostropheabrotman: I don't have time to tinker these days any more
15:45.39Timo^Thanks  :)
15:45.47hoxuDark_Apostrophe, no, we aren't happy until we have taught all the people in the world how to walk without holding their hands
15:45.49Dark_Apostropheabrotman: Back when I was unemployed, I could tear my computer apart and rebuild it for the fun of it.
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15:46.09keith4sounds like a waste of time
15:46.14abrotmanDark_Apostrophe: if you don't have time to tinker .. don't sit here and ask us to solve all your problems
15:46.16peterSlevel1: if you're sure you want to do this, you can edit /var/lib/dpkg/info/{packagename}.postinst and do whatever is needed to make it succeed.  then 'dpkg --configure {packagename}'
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15:46.39level1peterS: I can't figure out any other way
15:46.50Dark_Apostropheabrotman: I'm not asking you to solve my problems, I merely asked if anyone happened to know if a command I vaguely recalled was correctly recalled.
15:47.08peterSlevel1: well, that's just a shell script, it will succeed or fail, you just need to make sure it suceeds
15:47.09hoxuI think there's a common misconception about manual pages, the volunteers here don't tell people to read them just because they are evil self-conceited bastards, we just try to allow you to learn how to find out those things by yourself
15:47.15keith4Dark_Apostrophe: you got your answer. please stop filling my buffer with this discussion
15:47.29Dark_Apostrophekeith4: I didn't start it, but okay, I'll STFU.
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15:47.38keith4hey, i said please
15:48.04keith4(you'd be grumpy too, if you hung out here all day like they do)
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15:48.31themillDark_Apostrophe: feel free to rewrite man pages and send the patches either to the debian maintainer or upstream. Improvements to documentation are just as welcome as improvements to code.
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15:49.06Dark_Apostrophethemill: Again, I don't have time for just about anything any more, that includes rewriting man pages. If I can get enough time to read an article a day, I'm lucky.
15:49.24abrotmankeith4: you forgot an additional qualifier in this case
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15:49.45peterSit's true, btw.  it seems every time I submit a correction to a manpage, it is received very well.  which is more than I can say for some code patches I submit (:
15:49.57keith4hoxu: i have about a 17.5" neck, if that'll help ;-)
15:50.08hoxupeterS, maybe they aren't reading the patches to manpages... ;)
15:50.16peterShoxu: heh, I dunno
15:50.21abrotmanpeterS: that's cause your code sucks! :)
15:50.24lunitikDark_Apostrophe: Why continue defending yourself? You were given the answer you seeked... although you're currently ensuring help is harder to come by next time you need it by continuing on
15:50.39jaggz-can I fix my python installation?  I was trying to install python2.4-dev so I could install a python module by hand, and it's all just messed up now
15:50.48Dark_Apostrophelunitik: No idea... I'll shut up now. :)
15:50.54themillDark_Apostrophe: so who do you think does write them? There aren't vast armies of unemployed coders working on these things. Please consider giving back to the free software community as well as taking from it. Convince your boss that it's worth it or do it on your own time as a hobby.
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15:50.56jaggz-I think I got python2.4 installed but it updated to the new version, but others won't install saying the 2.4 one hasn't been configured
15:50.59peterSabrotman: more like, my manpage patches don't change functionality, and some of my code patches do, in ways maintainers don't agree with (:
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15:51.29jaggz-peters, are you going to add a --bdh-tab-completion option for command-line parameter tab completion?
15:51.34peterSjaggz-: run 'dpkg --pending --configure' to see if this is true
15:51.36themillpeterS: that's what they all say.... :)
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15:51.51jaggz-ie:  $ command --vers<tab><tab> would show "--version"
15:51.53abrotmanpeterS: if they'd just make it work your way to begin with, there would be a need for patches!
15:52.13peterSjaggz-: errr, for what program?  bash?
15:52.14abrotmanerm .. be no need
15:52.56jaggz-yeah.. bash should have this included.. then people coding up software should start to provide those command-line options which _could_ be used by hand, but mostly would be used by bash, automated.
15:52.57keith4jaggz-: you know that you can turn on super-mega tab completion in bash, right?
15:53.03jaggz-it was just an idea I'd use
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15:53.10jaggz-no, what's that one, keith?  :)
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15:53.23NightOathIs there anything in the default configuration for lighttpd that would need to be changed to make it work outside a LAN? ive forwarded port 80 to the right box...
15:53.24peterSabrotman: I did get a guy telling me a couple months after a ... lively discussion ... that he regretted that the rest of the team hadn't gone my way.  "you were right, we were wrong".  but I don't think the rest of the team has "repented", so.
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15:53.46jaggz-I think it would get us even further out of the all-too-hardcore unix admin days where we waste our time.. tab completion is horrendous enough for the die-hard unix fogie
15:54.17jaggz-and I've been using unix for.. hmm.. ugh.. like 17 years.
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15:54.49abrotmanpeterS: it happens .. hindsight .. yada yay!
15:54.51cloakableheh
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15:54.59jaggz-anyway, dpkg says python2.4 can't be installed because it relies on the python-minimal package, which I tried to install but it relies on libc6 being updated, etc.
15:55.08peterSthe problem with tab completion is that it is needed - ever.  if something requires too much typing, the interface is wrong.  --long-options are a pain for that reason, the common ones should have short option equivalents.
15:55.13jaggz-so I figured I'd try to go back to python2.4-older-than-this-one
15:56.06jaggz-the long and the short should have a popup help callable via bash's interface to the software's --super-duper-command-help-completion=--pfx
15:56.16jaggz---pfx being whatever the user typed at that point before hitting tab..
15:56.37jaggz-I haven't detailed it all out fully since I'm not about to put up a project page for the concept, nor code it in myself
15:57.00jaggz-but I really do think it would save a hell of a lot of people who loveth the unix but really have grown up from wasting time unnecessarily
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15:57.15keith4the stuff in /etc/bash_completion isn't enough?
15:57.21jaggz-lemme see
15:57.34keith4or maybe people should supply their own patches to it, with their packages?
15:57.38hoxuDark_Apostrophe, had a look at man2html btw? :P
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15:58.51shamrockI am having trouble with java apps - specifically Azureus. Which Java should I be using for maximum stability and reliability on Debian Lneey?
15:59.15lunitikshamrock: Use KTorrent or something  :/
15:59.16peterSif it don't run with java-gcj-compat, it ain't worth running
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15:59.29shamrocklunitik: I didn't ask what torrent program to use.
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15:59.57lunitikshamrock: I'm just saying... it connects to more than just azureus networks... and is native...
16:00.01shamrockpeterS: can you explain a little more.
16:00.09shamrocknot a gnome desktop it isn't.
16:00.24lunitikshamrock: More native than Java.
16:00.35shamrocklunitik: you mean more native than azureus?
16:00.41jaggz-I mean.. it can't be enough.. I'm pretty sure of that before looking -- since I don't know of a coding standard for providing these things... but damn there is a lot in that file, keith.
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16:01.10lunitikshamrock: I meant what I typed... however azureus would of course fit that grouping.
16:01.29jaggz-yeah.. it has to be something provided by the individual software, since the goal is to have ready access to commandline-option help in an efficient way.
16:01.29peterSshamrock: java-gcj-compat is the Java runtime shipped with gcc.  free software.  the other implementations are either not quite free yet (Sun java) or not as well supported (the others)
16:01.34shamrockazureus was working fine. Now just sits there doing nothing.
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16:01.49peterSshamrock: Sun java might be the most stable, but since it's sitting in non-free, I can't bring myself to recommend or trust it
16:01.49FlimzzyJava apps doing nothing?
16:01.50jaggz-I'm saying, going and looking through the manpage is sometimes overkill and you have to do it a lot.. I'd want it here
16:01.55Flimzzythat's strange
16:02.05Flimzzythey usually do a lot...
16:02.12jaggz-anyway.. I also wanted a car that stored the energy of braking, feeling it very wasteful to step on the brakes..
16:02.14peterSif by a lot you mean eat a lot of cpu and memory?
16:02.17Dantixhi again, after installed xen's kernel image I'm receiving the following message at boot: Error 13: Invalid or unsupported executable format, what could be wrong?
16:02.18FlimzzyMost of what they do is worthless...
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16:02.25Flimzzybut they're obviously doing a lot, b/c my CPU utilization skyrockets.
16:02.26jaggz-they finally came out with one, I saw it on tv.. but I don't have it :)
16:02.49jaggz-so can I rectify this python2.4 installation so it'll convert all my python packages to a specific version?
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16:03.04Flimzzyjaggz-: Regenerative breaking is somewhat expensive.  But it's not a new concept.
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16:03.18jaggz-they are indeed messed up somehow (I know how -- it was when trying to update from 2.4.1 to 2.4.2) ..
16:03.24Flimzzyjaggz-: A smart driver will recognize when they're coming up to a red light, and stop accelerating :)
16:03.40SchmidtHow do I force remove a package that failed to install, dpkg -P $package doesnt cut it. Neither does dpkg --force-remove-reinstreq --purge $package, it's debian 3.1 And the package in question is ldap-account-manager downloaded from it's homepage (which depended on php5, that's not included in 3.1). Did a bunch o' googling and tried most of the stuff, to no avail I'm afraid.
16:04.03peterSFlimzzy: are you saying debian has some broken drivers?
16:04.19jaggz-flimzzy, in the future, transportation will time itself to much more perfectly start/stop at traffic stops :)
16:04.32Flimzzyshamrock: My advice, same as lunitik's, would be to use a non-Java app.  I think that's good advice regardless of the application.
16:04.37lunitikSchmidt: I'll get slapped for saying this, but 'dpkg --force-all -P foo' should do it... if not, it's not going away.
16:04.55Schmidtlunitik: slap, and thank you a bunch!
16:05.00hoxuSchmidt, can you try upgrading to a newer version first?
16:05.19jaggz-I can't believe I broke my python
16:05.23jaggz-they're usually so resilient
16:05.24Schmidthoxu: 4.0 is not supported (as far as I know) on HP ProLiant DL380 G4
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16:05.49hoxuSchmidt, I mean the package
16:05.53Flimzzyjaggz-: A lot more can be gained from drivnig a fuel efficient car in the first place, versus the expense of regenerative breaking.
16:06.11Flimzzyjaggz-: When we're all driving 80mpg diesel hybrids, then it's time to start considering regenerative breaking on a massive scale :)
16:06.13jaggz-neighbors have a hybrid.. they fuel up once a month for $100 or so.
16:06.18lunitikSchmidt: Umm, why wouldn't a newer Debian work? It's not like they mass remove functional drivers...
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16:06.37Flimzzyjaggz-: I can fill my deisel tank for $5, and go 550 miles (using waste vegitable oil)
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16:06.54jaggz-my brother makes that stuff
16:06.57jaggz-in australia
16:07.01Flimzzyjaggz-; Even when I pay full price for diesel, I get better fuel economy than most hybrids on the market.
16:07.02Schmidtlunitik: don't know, second week on the job, so I dont want to screw up =)
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16:07.11Flimzzyjaggz-: up to 49mpg highway
16:07.25jaggz-why so efficient?
16:07.33Flimzzyjaggz-: Because it's a diesle engine :)
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16:08.00jaggz-why would diesel be more efficient than more refined gas (right?) engines?
16:08.01jaggz-hotter?
16:08.12Flimzzyjaggz-: It's a simpler engine.
16:08.19lunitikSchmidt: It's unlikely to cause any issues... you should probably get permission though... just explain that 3.1 isn't supported anymore, and 4.0 is the new stable... shouldn't be difficult...
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16:08.38Flimzzyjaggz-: Rudolph Diesel invented the diesel engine specifically *to* be more efficient.  Diesel engines are typically 30% more efficient than a gasoline engine of the same size.
16:08.40jaggz-are you saying we're off topic?  :)
16:08.45azeemjaggz-, Flimzzy: please move this discussion to a private conversation or a more appropriate channel like #debian-offtopic
16:09.06barnany here had any experience of zabbix?
16:09.14jaggz-flimzzy, I wonder how it translates to filthiness.. because I've experienced breathing way too much diesel exhaust (once) for my taste
16:09.16Flimzzyazeem: Fair enough :)
16:09.30lunitikSchmidt: Use a test machine with some backups just to see how smoothly the upgrade goes though, just to be sure...
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16:09.51Schmidtlunitik: this ones new, so that's not the problem :)
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16:10.10Schmidthaving fun trying to replace an old win2k server pdc :|
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16:10.41keith4jaggz-: enable /etc/bash_completion... it's pretty thorough. look at the bottom of your .bashrc
16:11.00lunitikSchmidt: Uhh... so did that --force-all work?
16:11.09Schmidtlunitik: nope :/
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16:11.29lunitikSchmidt: Returning a preinst or postinst script error?
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16:11.33Schmidthttp://pastebin.com/mcd05916
16:11.43Flimzzyjaggz-: there's nobody there :P
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16:11.49faber4hi everybody
16:12.00faber4whats the best way to guess an encoding of a text file ?
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16:12.02jaggz-flimzzy, lol.. nod.. no, I'm in #debian-offtopic though
16:12.07lunitikSchmidt: Did you try what it suggests?
16:12.10Maulkinfaber4: use 'file' ?
16:12.18jaggz-faber, I'm trying to get the python chardet installed now
16:12.32Schmidtlunitik: a couple of different ways, either with apt-get and with dpkg and the .deb file
16:12.36jaggz-presuming you're not referring to what I first mistook, as Maulkin first mistookedeth
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16:13.13lunitikSchmidt: Yuck
16:13.23Knight_LordDoes anyone know of any decent but cheap motherboard with 3 pci-x slots and support for 2 dual core Xeons?
16:13.57Knight_LordSorry for the offtopic, but i asked because you are a knowledgeable bunch
16:14.03MaulkinKnight_Lord: Decent and cheap are both subjective. I'm sure google can provice an answer better than we can.
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16:14.07peterSI'd rather have 3 dual core xeons and 2 pci-x slots, myself
16:14.36Knight_LordpeterS doesn't help me much as i have 3 pcix cards and realized i only have 2 slots
16:15.42faber4Maulkin: file is not good enough at guessing charsets
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16:16.11jaggz-I don't know what to do.. I broke my system.. I can't even find the proper version of python now to downgrade to
16:16.22peterSfaber4: apt-cache search guess charset
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16:17.39jaggz-mozilla's charset detection is really good I think..  the python "charset" program (search for it) is based on mozilla's and seems to be really good
16:17.57jaggz-unfortunately I can only run it in place because I can't get python2.4-dev installed and now I broke my packages.
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16:19.12toicontentoKnight_Lord, not sure, but tyan boards use to be goods
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16:28.13faber4peterS: mguesser is working my file. its only 1334 bytes and mguesser is not returning. mmmhhhh
16:29.43faber4peterS: ups, my fault. it takes from stdin. BUT mguesser is trying to guess the language not the charset. it fails to guess by utf16 big endian
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16:31.14TheViraldoes anyone know what could cause my wireless to become unable to connect to secured networks?
16:31.19TheViralor how to fix it
16:31.34HardDisk_WP!seen piroko
16:31.35dpkgpiroko <n=jeremy@193.sub-75-218-71.myvzw.com> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 15h 51m 3s ago, saying: 'That was just discussed yesterday'.
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16:32.02TheViral!seen TheViral
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16:41.50karmatronicTheViral: if you re trying to connect with WEP while the wifi router uses a bunch of WEP and WPA
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16:44.20TheViralkarmatronic: well..right now I am connected to it unsecured, when I enable security, whether it's WEP or WPA I cannot connect. No one else is connected to it at that point
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16:44.53cuscoTheViral: still there?
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16:45.33cuscoTheViral: take a look at my /etc/network/interfaces file - http://cusco.tretas.eu/linux/etc/network/interfaces
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16:45.56TheViralcusco: k, one sec
16:45.59cuscosee the wireless-key setting? its a setting passed on to iwconfig with the wep key
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16:46.20cuscowpa requeires wpa supplicant
16:46.26AbsintheSyringedoes anyone know a network traffic monitor (like vnstat) that is actually very accurate
16:46.36TheViralcusco: Maybe my woa supplicant is broken?
16:46.41TheViralcusco: wpa*
16:46.50cuscoTheViral: I wouldn't know i have never used it
16:47.14TheViralcusco: When I try to connect with iwconfig I use the key property, would that not work the same?
16:47.14cuscoAbsintheSyringe: what do you mean by accurate?
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16:47.31cuscoTheViral: only if it is wep
16:47.52TheViralcusco: If it's not wep how do I enter the key?
16:48.14cuscoTheViral: I think you have some wpasupplicant.conf for that effect.
16:48.22cuscoI never used it
16:48.28AbsintheSyringecusco, vnstat is not giving me the correct data, it says for this month I downloaded 60gb, and I've been monitoring it with my router, and correct info is 13gb not 60
16:48.51TheViralcusco: even when I was using wep though, I could not connect and I was using the key property
16:49.26cuscoAbsintheSyringe: probably vnstat counts intranet traffic as well
16:49.34cuscoAbsintheSyringe: perhaps you want to use a sniffer
16:49.38cuscolike sniffit
16:50.06cuscoTheViral: I heard that already. it works here. I assume it is a problem between the chair and the keyboard
16:50.22TheViralcusco: haha
16:50.23cuscojust set a wep key on your /etc/network/interfaces and router settings
16:50.48cuscodon't forget to select the correct key index (1..4)
16:50.52AbsintheSyringecusco, I'm not sure, I just want to monitor my bandwidth, how much does my lan pull down each month
16:51.30rio_AbsintheSyringe ntop
16:51.43TheViralcusco: how does key indexing work? is it only to have multiple keys and select one? or would each element in the index have a different effect?
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16:54.07AbsintheSyringerio_, what's your opinion on darkstar compared to ntop?
16:54.26rio_ntop gives so much infos
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16:54.44rio_try it out, at least u'll --purge
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16:55.36AbsintheSyringerio_, will do, tnx
16:55.38ItchyHobohi ppl
16:55.40rio_^^
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16:56.49ItchyHobohi i have been using ubuntu for 6 months now; I am thinking of switching to debian; is it a good idea?
16:57.59petemcdepends what you expect
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16:59.15ItchyHoboi am thinking of this as a learning experience; know more about linux
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16:59.35ItchyHobobasically they are same right?
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16:59.44ItchyHoboonly debian is more customizable
16:59.50ItchyHobo?
16:59.55TheViralItchyHobo: it's been a big learning experience for me :) They work the same I think just that on Debian I am on the command line so much
16:59.57petemcyou can customise them both
17:00.18ItchyHoboyeah but ubuntu comes pre configured
17:00.27petemcItchyHobo: best thing is just to try it, you generally dont get sensible answers to such questions
17:00.30ItchyHobohmm guess i'll give it a try
17:00.45ItchyHobou r right. i guess
17:01.15cahootyou can mess up any linux dist if you put your mind to it
17:01.23ItchyHoboyes you can
17:01.27Roninheh too true
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17:02.09ItchyHoboinfact sometime when u r a noob like me u dont have to try too hard
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17:02.50casthmm, if i'm trying to blacklist snd-hda-intel do i use snd-hda-intel or snd-hda-intel in /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist? there's quite a few lines in there with underscores but none with hyphens
17:03.10cast...erm, forgot to hit shift. snd-hda-intel or snd_hda_intel
17:03.23cahootI doubt it matters
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17:12.44mnehi guys. I just upgraded to the initscripts package which replaces sysVinit. where do i find documentation for this package ? reboot, halt, init, shutdown and all those commands are missing now. how do i reboot my system ??
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17:13.49AbsintheSyringerio_, **ERROR** RRD: Disabled - unable to create base directory (err 13, /var/lib/ntop/rrd)
17:13.51simonrvninitscripts doesn't replace sysvinit
17:13.51AbsintheSyringerio_, any idea
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17:14.26mnesimonavr, apt-cache show initscripts says that it replaces sysvinit
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17:15.27mnesimonavr, hmm ok. i just installed sysvinit and it worked. however, installing initscripts removes sysvinit. I'm confused
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17:16.56mnesimonavr, anyway, it seems to work now. i'm trying our a reboot now. hope everything works fine.
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17:25.47TheViral_cusco: hey, I resolved my problem...#1, I didn't know hwo to use WPA properly so that's why WPA didn't work....#2 I created a new key for WEP and now I can connet....it's odd how my windows worked with the other key though! Oh well...I learned a bit though :)
17:26.02XoXhi , why is a new stable kernel released every other day
17:26.16TheViral_cusco: Thanks for the help
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17:26.45markcare there kde4 rc2 packages anywhere ?
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17:29.18lunitikmarkc: I think the KDE4 packages in Experimental are RC2
17:29.44lunitikmarkc: Unless you're a devel though, don't bother...
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17:31.06markcoic, kdelibs5 etc
17:31.42markclunitik, I want to start looking at plasmoids and qt4-designer etc
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17:32.40lunitikFor instance, right now they're going with Kickoff... but they're planning a really cool improvement - I forget its name though...
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17:33.24lunitikaleksanteri: It's basically featureless right now  :/
17:33.40markclunitik, well I suppose it would be easier to use that other debian based distro instead ... kickoff, I agree, I hate it too ... I prefer the original menu by far ... I see someone has posted it or started something similar
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17:34.19markcposted* = ported
17:34.25heloi have two drives with partitions that formed a raid... i'm trying to assemble the raid on a different machine using 'mdadm -A /dev/md0 /dev/sda3 /dev/sdb2', but it is saying /dev/md0 doesn't exist... shouldn't it assemble sda3 and sdb2 to make md0? will using mdadm -C create md0 without formatting sda3 and sdb2?
17:34.59lunitikmarkc: Umm, no it wouldn't be... both cases you just add a repo... experimental, you can just install with -t
17:35.37lunitik(although, I believe the experimental packages will overwrite most kde3 base stuff...
17:35.39lunitik)
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17:37.01lunitikmarkc: The new Menu thing is called Raptor... it's really cool  :)
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17:37.33duriel!deb
17:37.34dpkgdeb is, like, the extension for debian precompiled packages
17:37.54lunitikhttp://pinheiro-kde.blogspot.com/2007/10/raptor-join-fun.html
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17:40.39lunitikCould use some work on usability though... browsing via that triangle is rather hard to find if you're entirely new to it...
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17:50.16wintixhi there. is it possible to get apache 1 to work with ipv6? i tried entering the ipv6 address as i would enter a ipv4 address in the config but it doesn't really seem to work. any hints?
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17:54.58stshello folks. does anybody know how to adjust full/a
17:55.09stshello folks. does anybody know how to adjust full/half duplex of my nic?
17:55.51cahootethtool or mii-tool?
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17:57.14stscahoot: is this persistent?
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17:57.54cahootbetween reboots? I  doubt that
17:57.58prgmrchrisit is if you set it at startup
17:57.59prgmrchris:)
17:58.58blubberdiblubsts: you might want to check out the options of the module driving your nic. some do have options to set duplex mode and autonegotiation
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18:01.17stsblubberdiblub: thank you
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18:01.37fengordoes anyone have experience with webcams based on the ov511 chipset in lenny? i try to get mine to work but can't get ti to run with mebeam and camorama shows a tripleimage somehow. i tried googling for the issue but am now running out of ideas what to try.
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18:07.49simonrvnfengor: i have; a long time ago. it "just worked" for me, that's all
18:07.57fengordamn :(
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18:08.10simonrvn*shrug*, sorry dude
18:08.22fengornp, jsut would have been nice ;)
18:08.35simonrvnyeh
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18:08.55simonrvnwhat have you tried?
18:09.47fengorwell i tried unloading and reloading the module, tried to rebuild the module through m-a and used several cam applications
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18:10.04fengorreloading of module doesnt seem to give an error, but rebuilding with m-a doesnt work somehow
18:10.21fengorcamorama is the only one that gives an output but its tripled
18:10.48fengorthe mebeam site just gives a blank black picture and gqcam doesnt work either
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18:11.41fengorany idea where i can find parameters for the ov511 module?
18:11.59fengorsource probably the only place right?
18:12.00simonrvnmaybe you need an option, looked at modinfo ov511 ?
18:12.24fengoroh modinfo
18:12.26fengorright
18:12.27fengorthanks
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18:17.01fengoruhm how do i get rid of processes that dont respond to kill-9?
18:17.56simonrvnkill the parent; if that doesn't work, only reboot fixes it. avoid using kill -s 9 too ;)
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18:22.43lmghi there. could someone please tell me how to allow read access to /dev/mem properly? triead adding my user to the group 'kmem', but that didn't help.
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18:23.59wastrelwhat is the purpose of the www-data group?
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18:25.05markclmg, if "id" shows you as being in the kmem group and /dev/mem is at least chmod 640 then you should be able to at least read from it
18:25.28lmgmarkc: it does. (as does "groups")
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18:26.13lmgmarkc: still, cat: /dev/mem: Operation not permitted
18:26.30rhalffhi, I replaced my motherbord, the onboard ethernet controller is detected as eth0 during boot, but when I'm at the console the only one available is eth2, which is the card that was detected during boot as eth0, why has it become eth2 ?
18:26.32keith4wastrel: www-data is what apache runs as
18:26.44lmgmarkc: crw-r----- 1 root kmem 1, 1 2007-12-15 17:02 /dev/mem
18:27.38keith4rhalff: what does 'ifconfig -a' show?
18:28.03rhalffkeith4, uhm It seems I have 2 ethernet controllers !? :) eth0 and eth2
18:28.44wols_!tell rhalff about z25
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18:29.26markclmg, damn, I just tried it too and you're right, I get the same result as you
18:29.54tibaxhi, is there anyway with fetchmail or a mail client to auto save attached file in a specific folder when a mail arrives ?
18:30.33lmgmarkc: wierd, no? I also tried messing with udev rules for /dev/mem without any positive result.
18:31.40rhalffwols_, ok thanks, I had the same problem with xen, if a mac address wasn't assigned to domU it would increase the ethernet count after each reboot :)
18:31.46markclmg, yes, strace gives me -> open("/dev/mem", O_RDONLY|O_LARGEFILE)  = -1 EPERM (Operation not permitted)
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18:34.29markcImg, I guess O_LARGEFILE means a normal user can't get a lock on 100% ram for the cat... as root I get a wc of 939524096 with 1gb of ram
18:34.36kom0dorHey all
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18:35.29lmgmarkc: (it's Lmg) afraid I'm not much of a coder, so this is as far as I'll get.
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18:36.42lmgmarkc: sudo strings /dev/mem | wc   4395577 5503694 46139231
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18:38.00nydoes anyone know if there is a .deb from squid3 - not the RC versions please ;(
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18:39.36keith4ny: sid has 2.6.17... so... no?
18:39.50keith4oh, wait
18:39.52keith4you said squid3
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18:40.20|adrian|this package is not found when i do module assistant prepare
18:40.23Speckalhi all
18:40.27|adrian|i`m running lenny
18:40.33keith4ny: 3.0.RC1-3
18:40.39keith4no dice
18:40.40|adrian|i havent had this issue before
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18:40.47|adrian|please helo
18:40.49zmityahi all
18:40.50|adrian|helo
18:40.54Speckalwhen I plug in my flash drive (usb), linux detects _two_ drives (sde and sdf).  anyone know what may be causing that/
18:40.57Speckal?
18:41.05ny;-(
18:41.10keith4Speckal: two partitions?
18:41.17zmityaI have an etch, want to build mailman 2.1.9, I have python 2.4 installed
18:41.17Speckalkeith4:  no, two drives, one partition each
18:41.28zmityait says: ImportError: No module named japanese
18:41.31keith4weird
18:41.35Speckalyep
18:41.35zmityawhat do I miss ?
18:41.47keith4you miss the japanese python module
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18:42.05zmityakeith4: hmm, do you know the package name ?
18:42.12zmityaI could not find it :(
18:42.23keith4me neither
18:42.27keith4you'll probably have to build it
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18:42.56Speckalkeith4:   fyi   http://pastebin.ca/820680
18:43.06kom0dorhey guys, I'm thinking of switching to debian-stable, but I have a few general questions. I want stability, but I'd wonder if there are readily available backports for new software (say, if a new version of g++ came out).
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18:43.15tibaxhi, is there anyway with fetchmail or a mail client to auto save attached file in a specific folder when a mail arrives ?
18:43.21koolhead17hi all
18:43.33keith4Speckal: if you mount sde and sdf... are they different contents?
18:43.39Speckalno. exactly the same
18:43.43zmityahmm, strange, I think I try to disable the japanese module instead
18:43.54thelostbutlerkom0dor: check backports.org for the backported software that is available
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18:44.02Speckalkeith4:  they get automounted by gnome and two identical windows pop up.  it's really freekin anonying
18:44.14kom0dorHrm, I had no clue that was there. Thanks a bunch!
18:44.15keith4Speckal: sounds like a udev problem
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18:44.25keith4but i've never seen that happen before
18:44.26Speckalkeith4:  agreed
18:44.37nyzmitya: maybe python-japanese-codecs python2.1-japanese-codecs python2.2-japanese-codecs python2.3-japanese-codecs
18:44.46ny?
18:45.05stewkom0dor: genrally new versionf of g++ are not backported as they require new versions of glibc
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18:45.56The_Kernelhi, I'm having a hard time settign up my internet via cli
18:46.06paxedtrying to set up nvidia on unstable: "nvidia-glx-legacy-96xx: Depends: xserver-xorg-core (>= 2:1.4) but 2:1.3.0.0.dfsg-12 is to be installed" but xserver-xorg-core is already the newest version. do i dare to force?
18:46.07kom0dorAh, bad example, but thanks.
18:46.09pobegaThe_Kernel: What is your problem exactly?
18:46.19The_Kernelhow do I set an IP, subnet, gateway, and DNS servers?
18:46.41zmityany: which repository do you use ?
18:46.47pobegaThe_Kernel: It's all in /etc/network/interfaces...`man interfaces` will definitely be helpful.
18:46.48zmityaroot@madein:/var/db/mailman# apt-cache search japanese | grep python
18:46.49zmityapython-chardet - universal character encoding detector
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18:47.13zmityathats all :(
18:47.28The_Kernelok
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18:48.18lmgmarkc: in case you find out anything about the /dev/mem issue, drop me a line please. got to run.
18:48.24pobegaAs for DNS servers I'm not sure. I'm not really well versed in that type of thing.
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18:50.17nyzmitya: its a repository of my provider... but ftp://ftp.debian.de/debian/pool/main/p/python-japanese-codecs/ has them also
18:50.21samuel-awaysup guys
18:50.34zmityany: hmm, I found what the problem is
18:50.41zmityaapt-get install python2.4-dev
18:50.42zmitya:(((
18:50.49zmityaspent 15 mins for this :(
18:50.56zmityany: thanks anyway
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18:51.46lost_soulI've tried to google for this error but find limited info and thus far no fix for it rar: /lib/tls/i686/cmov/libc.so.6: version `GLIBC_2.4' not found (required by rar)
18:52.13abrotmanlost_soul: you've installed rar the wrong way
18:52.19stewlost_soul: what version of debian are you running?  how did you install rar?
18:52.39piyush_when i start "add user"  i cant see any previous users created
18:52.53lost_soulstew: etch, I downloaded the tar.gz off the win-rar site and make installed it
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18:53.24abrotman!rar
18:53.24dpkgwell, rar is an archiver used mostly by 3l33+ war3z d00dz, or the worst file format ever, or ask me about <unrar>
18:53.33abrotmanlost_soul: there is an unrar in debian already
18:53.40Guerinlost_soul: just use the prebuilt binary
18:53.47Guerinit works, and is statically linked
18:53.47samuelis there any website where you can get recommendations on what scanners to buy for linux?
18:53.52Guerineven if it is shite and evil
18:54.14lost_soulGuerin, where is the prebuilt binary located if you wouldn't mind linking me
18:54.15Guerinsamuel: ask #gimp on irc.gnome.org
18:54.40samuelGuerin: thanks
18:54.42Guerinlost_soul: it's on the site, clearly enough marked
18:55.02pirokoOr, he could just apt-get it. :-/
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18:55.19lost_soulk..  will look at the win-rar site, hopefully thats the site to which you were referring
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18:55.22lost_soultyvm
18:55.29Guerinpiroko: and have it not open any rar file made since 2001
18:55.40Guerinlost_soul: rarlabs.de
18:55.48piyush_when i start "add user"  i cant see any previous users created
18:56.03lost_soulGuerin: tyvm
18:56.09pirokoGuerin: Really? I've never once had a problem...
18:56.20The_Kernelpobega just so that you know for next time
18:56.22The_Kernelifconfig eth0 down && ifconfig eth0 nnn.nnn.nnn.nnn netmask 255.255.255.nnn broadcast nnn.nnn.nnn.nnn up && route add default gw nnn.nnn.nnn.nnn
18:56.24Guerinpiroko: nice to be you!
18:56.27The_Kernelthat's how you do it
18:56.50pirokoGuerin: Of course,  I installed the non-free unrar from apt
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18:57.19Guerinpiroko: depends how you like your evilness, I suppose.
18:57.26pirokoGuess so
18:57.45pirokoI like mine to be automatic :-D
18:57.49pobegaThe_Kernel: Why don't you just specify it in /etc/network/interfaces?
18:58.00pobegaThen you can do a single simple command to initialize all of that.
18:58.10The_KernelI did, it doesn't seem to work :(
18:58.18Guerin...
18:58.19The_Kernelthe settings are lsot after I restart
18:58.26Guerinfail
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18:58.44wols_pobega: gnome network manager to the reacue to rid people from their network settings
18:59.13pobegawols_: Are you saying gnome-nm is removing people's /etc/network/interfaces file?
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19:00.02wols_pobega: possibly overriding the things in there, not overwriting it
19:01.22pickcoderpobega: it has never worked correctly for me. I stopped using it after the nth time my settings changed back mysteriously.
19:01.31pirokowols_: That's the first thing I remove when I install debian :P
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19:04.36pobegapickcoder: I haven't touched nm-applet since my days on Ubuntu. It just makes more sense to have all of your connections established at boot time, rather than when you login.
19:04.48pickcoderI find it interesting that there are no complaints about that in the bug reports..
19:04.58pobegaOf course, there was probably a setting in gnome network-manager that I missed that did that, but oh well :)
19:05.02rhalff_what's a nice font to use for 'Sans' ? I find Sans relatively ugly
19:05.18pobegarhalff_: You don't like Sans? I use Dejavu Sans myself.
19:05.35pobegaI think it's pretty nice looking; It's the standard font I use whenever I write up documents.
19:06.01rhalff_pobega, I don't know what's wrong, but fonts look ugly on this lcd
19:06.10pobegarhalff_: All of them, or just Sans?
19:06.14rhalff_with ubuntu I never have to worry about it
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19:06.16pobegaX-Server or CLI?
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19:06.20rhalff_pobega, most of them
19:06.24rhalff_x server
19:06.30pobegaPerhaps it's your DPI settings?
19:06.44pobegaI forgot where you could change those settings, since I don't use X...Someone here can probably point you in the right direction.
19:06.48rhalff_dpi is 96, 17 inch acer lcd 1280x1024
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19:07.46pobegarhalff_: http://pastebin.ca/820762
19:07.48The_Kernelmy debian install doesn't have gnome-nm
19:08.04pickcoderrhalff_: which fonts packages are installed?
19:08.08pobegarhalff_: That's what I have set in /etc/X11/xorg.conf for my fonts...Perhaps yours is something different?
19:08.35pobegaThe_Kernel: Well then what types of networking tools do you have installed? It seems kind of fishy for your interfaces file to just `disappear` at boot time.
19:08.38wols_The_Kernel: have you edited your /etc/network/interfaces file and after you reboot they're not there anymore?
19:09.05rhalff_pobega, mine is almost the same, I just moved defoma up, trying if it changed things but it didn't, I have most common fonts installed also the microsoft ones
19:09.06Asmoohhey i wonder.. apt-get try to install msttcorefonts with wgetting ms fonts, it doesnt work with wget but when i click on the link i get the files.. is there a way to skip it?
19:09.18The_Kernelwols_ yes
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19:09.34The_Kernelpobega in my menu I see networking and network tools
19:10.00wols_The_Kernel: so what do you put in the interfaces file exactly?
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19:10.26pickcoderrhalff_: dpkg --list | grep xfonts   - do you have the 100dpi package?
19:10.45The_Kernelmy ip where it says the ip in there, my subnet, and my gateway
19:10.53rhalff_pickcoder, yes I have
19:10.54The_Kerneland I commented out the autho eth0
19:11.07rhalff_/var/lib/defoma/x-ttcidfont-conf.d/dirs/TrueType doesn't exist though
19:11.10wols_The_Kernel: why comment it out?
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19:11.25The_Kernelwols_ that isn't dhcp?
19:11.37wols_auto eth0 has nothing to do with dhcp
19:11.46The_Kerneloh
19:11.48The_Kernelwell
19:11.50wols_please pastebin your exact interfaces file as you write it
19:11.54The_Kernelit isn't like that right now
19:11.58The_Kernelok
19:12.01wols_then make it so
19:12.28rhalff_pickcoder, pobega I use this http://dpaste.com/28295/
19:12.50rhalff_first is a bit useless since that dir doesn't exist
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19:13.01null__Hello I have one problem, I have a postfix debian and non-debian postfix (compiled by me) I need both in the same machine but I have a problem with sasl, I want to have a debian without sasl support because I have problems with the other one, that uses another sasl compiled by me, how can I fix that? I tried to use LD_LIBRARY_PATH with no help, my error is that:
19:13.06null__/opt/mail/cyrus-sasl/lib/libsasl2.so.2: no version information available (required by /usr/sbin/postconf)
19:13.09null__any idea?
19:13.12pobegarhalff_: That looks fine to me. Were your fonts always jumbled up, or is this recent?
19:13.22The_Kernelwols_ that's hard
19:13.27The_Kernelbut I think I can do it
19:13.46rhalff_pobega, shouldn't defoma point to /var/lib/defoma/fontconfig.d/ ?
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19:14.08rhalff_pobega, not sure, I think it was never great on this machine.
19:14.33wols_The_Kernel: sooner or later you need to do it anyways. just make a backup this time too
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19:15.02TurboBeeehow do I get apt-get to upgrade packages that have been held back
19:15.04The_Kernelok
19:15.05The_Kernelbrb
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19:15.14abrotman!held back
19:15.14dpkghmm... kept back is when packages have not been upgraded even though newer versions are available. This happens if dependencies cannot be resolved, packages are on hold or you used "upgrade" not "dist-upgrade" and new packages need to be installed. To investigate, "apt-get -s install <kept-package>". Also see http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/69
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19:15.52TurboBeeeah thanks
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19:16.29pobegarhalff_: I'm not sure where it should point...Like I've said, I don't really use X so yeah. But if it works on Ubuntu, perhaps it's the drivers you're using? What is your video card?
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19:17.00wols_held back
19:17.02wols_!held back
19:17.02dpkgrumour has it, kept back is when packages have not been upgraded even though newer versions are available. This happens if dependencies cannot be resolved, packages are on hold or you used "upgrade" not "dist-upgrade" and new packages need to be installed. To investigate, "apt-get -s install <kept-package>". Also see http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/69
19:17.03rhalff_pobega, the video card is an onboard via
19:17.12wols_rhalff_: ouch :)
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19:18.03wols_null__: why can't you use the debian sasl?
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19:18.33The_Kernelok so it's working now
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19:19.21wols_so paste the interfaces file
19:19.22rhalff_when I run `fc-cache -f -v` that's also the order fonts will be searched ?
19:19.49The_Kernelwols_ http://pastebin.ca/820792
19:19.50spldartquick question... I wanna try to put a very old Pentium 1 laptop with 32meg ram into service with linux... I would probably be better served installing old Sarge instead of Etch wouldn't I?
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19:20.39lunitikwols_: Wanna make that say 'safe-upgrade' instead of just 'upgrade'... or isn't the relevant to apt-get?
19:20.43Speckalwhen I plug in my usb flash drive, it gets detected as two separate devices  (not partitions)   sde and sdf   http://pastebin.ca/820680   any ideas why?
19:20.53wols_The_Kernel: your netmask is very wrong
19:21.07abrotmanspldart: except that sarge only has security support for maybe six more months
19:21.09wols_lunitik: what does "safe-upgrade" do?
19:21.36wols_Speckal: you cannot install etch supoposedly since 48MB is minimum RAM
19:21.36abrotmanwols_: installs new package .. dosn't remove any
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19:21.44spldartabrotman< true... but wouldn't running a 2.6 kernel etch completely stiffle the machine
19:21.45lunitikwols_: Aptitude replaces 'upgrade' to 'safe-upgrade' to make it more clear, hoping if people see 'safe' they will choose that instead of dist-upgrade...
19:21.48wols_Speckal: but neither sarge nor etch will be very usable with 32MB
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19:22.06abrotmanspldart: i suppose .. but your experience isn't going to be all that great anyways :)
19:22.06wols_Speckal: the kernel is the least of the problems
19:22.14pirokonetmask 255.255.255.255 wtf?
19:22.15Speckalwols_:  wrong nick
19:22.24spldartWell... not mine... one of my kids...
19:22.25wols_piroko: ppp!
19:22.29abrotmanspldart: damn kids
19:22.31pirokowols_: oh! My bad
19:22.33lunitikWould that be a... class e?
19:22.34spldartwoah
19:22.47abrotmanspldart: is it going to "run" X too ?
19:22.48wols_piroko: of course it's not pppp. he fucked up there
19:22.51The_Kernelwols_ it is
19:22.51lunitikOr can you now even do that... makes no sense really anyways.
19:22.59lunitiks/now/not
19:23.04spldartI had wanted to run X yes
19:23.11pirokolol. I know
19:23.18timholum_work1does anyone know, if i have the root drive mounted as ro, is there anyway to make it remount as rw from the running os, i know in freebsd i can do mount -rw /dev/hda1 and it mounts it as writable, but debian tells me that its alread mounted? any ideas
19:23.23pirokoNo hosts for you!
19:23.33spldartIf it's not do-able though I'll have to resort to win 98 since win 95 is what it had on it
19:23.53null__wols_: it is installed by default and is symlinked.
19:24.07null__if I use aptiture remove libsasl it removes postfix too :(
19:24.14spldartIs Xorg more demanding than say X4.x?
19:24.19abrotmanspldart: yes
19:24.20null__linked sorry wols_
19:24.28pirokotimholum_work1: mount -o remount,rw /dev/hda1
19:24.30abrotmanspldart: which video card is it?
19:24.33spldartso I need to run old Xfree86
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19:24.46wols_null__: I asked why can't your special posftix not use the debian sasl?
19:24.47timholum_work1piroko, thanks ill try that :)
19:24.51spldartI don't remember what this laptop has as a vid card... I can check
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19:24.55pirokotimholum_work1: np. Good luck
19:25.00wols_null__: just like the debian postfix you also run for some strange reason
19:25.04abrotmanspldart: depending on the card inside .. you'll hve to run sarge anyways
19:25.14lunitikspldart: Or you could go get some new RAM for $20 or a new computer for $300  :/
19:25.29helohow can i assemble a boot from the rescue cd and assemble a raid device from partitions?
19:25.47wols_lunitik: SDR is expensive
19:26.04The_Kernelwols_ well, even with the subnet being that way, everything is working now
19:26.05heloi'm trying to reset the password on this old box, but the partitions were in a raid...
19:26.09The_Kerneluntil I restart
19:26.13heloerr...
19:26.15abrotman!tell helo about ifrp
19:26.16wols_!tell helo abour custom cd
19:26.21spldartlaptop... it's an extra... to be given away... had some memory for my other laptops lying around but it's newer and wont fit
19:26.32abrotmanspldart: force it!
19:26.37wols_The_Kernel: have you changed the netmask?
19:26.56spldartlol
19:27.08lunitikabrotman: With some KY?
19:27.14BadHorsieThe_Kernel: you should ask your ISP for your appropiate netmask, it *looks* like it should be 255.255.255.0 tho. also you should ask for your broadcast address.
19:27.14spldartGot that
19:27.17abrotmanlunitik: that's just sick
19:27.19wols_!tell helo about custom cd
19:27.22lunitikabrotman: :P
19:27.31heloabrotman: that will work if the root file system is a raid array?
19:27.33The_KernelBadHorsie I AM my ISP
19:27.35wols_BadHorsie: considering it's a LAN.... what ISP?
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19:27.47abrotmanhelo: i would think so .. guess you'll have to try and see eh?
19:27.47BadHorsieisn't that a public IP?
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19:28.03wols_The_Kernel: /etc/init.d/networking restart. no errors?
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19:28.17The_Kernelwols_ no I got an ifconfig error
19:28.17BadHorsieand if you're your ISP you should read some networking basics
19:28.24The_Kerneltelling me that that was wrong
19:28.29wols_BadHorsie: see the gateway?
19:28.41pirokoBadHorsie: It's class C, so 255.255.255.0 would definitely be right...
19:28.43wols_The_Kernel: what is the error?
19:28.43The_KernelBadHorsie no I work for my local ISP company :P
19:28.56BadHorsiei already said that?
19:28.57wols_The_Kernel: then you have the wrong job or are not qualified
19:28.59pirokoThe_Kernel: You may want to brush up on networking 101 then :-/
19:29.02The_Kernelwols_ its simply telling me that that subnet is wrong
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19:29.15BadHorsieare they still hiring? i need a job
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19:29.27wols_The_Kernel: who'd hafta thunk it. so did you change it as suggested?
19:29.28The_Kernelwols_ I understand that its a bad subnet
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19:29.40The_Kerneland yes I changed it
19:29.46The_Kerneland it didn't work :P
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19:29.56wols_does the networking restart work now?
19:30.17wols_unless you tell me on your own about the errors or you can fix your problems alone in the future
19:30.19The_Kernelwhen its set to that improper subnet, yes.
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19:30.57The_KernelI'm talking to the system admin on the phone right now
19:31.03The_Kernelmaybe I'll ask him about it
19:31.19Dantixhi all, why shoul be the reason a recently installed xen does not setups the vifs network interfaces nor peth and xenbr0?
19:31.34lunitikThe_Kernel: Let us know how loud he laughs ;)
19:31.39pirokoHaha
19:31.48mhallWhat do I need to run to wrap long lines in a text file to 80 columns?
19:32.11The_Kernelhe said its something to do with the router
19:32.20The_Kernelit was set up improperly
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19:32.30The_Kernelbut it allows for most other subnets to work on it
19:32.39The_Kernelexcept for 255.255.255.0
19:32.43The_Kernellol
19:32.47pirokoPersonally, I vote PEBKAC :-/
19:32.49The_KernelI changed it to 255.255.255.1
19:32.49lunitik!enter
19:32.50dpkgThe enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter unecessarily makes it difficult to follow what you are saying. Consider using ',', '. ', ';', '...', '---', or ':' instead.
19:32.52The_Kernelit works
19:33.14The_Kernelso yeah
19:33.37pirokoThe_Kernel: You realize that makes absolutely zero sense, right?
19:33.49The_Kernelpiroko no, I'm not into networking
19:33.53The_KernelI'm a programmer :P
19:33.58The_Kernelor a wanaa be programmer
19:34.15lunitikpiroko: No, it does... although it'll create a lot more fun later...
19:34.23The_KernelI'm an intern at the ISP
19:34.25The_Kernelso yeah
19:34.29The_KernelI'm there to learn
19:34.38pirokolunitik: How does 11111111.11111111.11111111.00000001 make sense for a netmask?
19:34.51wols_lunitik: how does the client's netmask influence the router?
19:35.08The_Kernelpiroko it doesn't
19:35.10lunitikpiroko: hah... true...
19:35.47pirokolol
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19:35.54spldartabrotman< Cirrus Logic GD7548
19:36.05The_Kernelwols_ lunitik all i know, is that its not right :P and that it should be fixed to use a single subnet
19:36.24abrotmanspldart: you can run that on etch .. i'd at least give etch a try .. use a small-ish WM like blackbox or similar (even if you end up running sarge)
19:36.27pirokoThe_Kernel: It should be fixed to be something valid first
19:36.34The_Kernelright
19:36.37wols_255.255.255.0 is a single subnet containing 256 addresses
19:36.44The_Kernelthis is why I had such a problem
19:36.46spldartI generally tend towards fluxbox for light installs
19:36.57wols_lunitik: how can the router not be lucky baout his "normal" subnet?
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19:37.24piroko255.255.255.1 is a messed up subnet that, if existed, would signal impending universe collapse
19:37.35wols_abrotman: why not use a distro like puppy or dsl?
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19:37.54The_Kernelwhat subnet's are valid?
19:38.03lunitikwols_: I was thinking he set it to 255.255.255.128 ... in my head I read the 1 to mean one more server bit...
19:38.14pirokolunitik: I figured that's what you thought ;)
19:38.17wols_The_Kernel: all that start with 1's and sometime switch to all 0'
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19:38.40wols_netmask is a simple bitmask
19:38.49pirokoThe_Kernel: But, that all depends on the class of network you are dealing with, and whether VLSM's are used
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19:39.09BadHorsiejust bits used for binary AND operations to find out the net you belong to.
19:39.49Ecalixis it true that you can build linux in one system with certain hardware. then take that drive out, put it in a whole other system and have it boot correct? minus the xorg
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19:40.09wols_Ecalix: if you use vesa, even the xorg
19:40.15Ecalixtrue
19:40.27Ecalixyeah i thought it scans your hardware each boot, correct?
19:40.34wols_sticky bits ar that you use the -486 distro kernel and no 686 only packages. then it will work fine anywhere you put it
19:40.36lunitikEcalix: Even Xorg these days... just don't use an xorg.conf (only 7.3 and maybe 7.2 though...)
19:40.50wols_another thing that happens is your eth0 won't be there anymore but a eth1 since udev renames it
19:41.16Ecalixbut going across different hardware platforms is perfectly fine though correct?
19:41.32wols_not. you can't move from x86 to sparm
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19:41.44lunitikEcalix: Well no, unless you compile everything into the kernel... it'd be arch specific...
19:41.45Ecalixcorrect, but x86 to x86 is fine
19:41.47wols_but from intel board to nvidia board with amd cpu is fine for example
19:42.06wols_lunitik: distro kernels aren't "arch specific"
19:42.07dserbanHow do I check ... ie list all packages provided from a single source in sources.list?
19:42.07lunitikwols_: Wait, sparm? SPARC + ARM?
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19:42.22wols_lunitik: be afraid, very afraid :). typo of course
19:42.36Ecalixyeah i knew you ment sparc ;)
19:42.37pirokolunitik: Just wait. I'm gonna invent it
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19:43.12Ecalixwhats a good utility such as ghost to image a *nix drive? iirc ghost doesnt like it. correct me if im wrong
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19:43.26wols_Ecalix: dd :)
19:43.46Ecalixwols_, mind elaborating? lol
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19:43.50lunitikEcalix: There are tons... apt-cache search backup  :/
19:43.52\amethystEcalix:  a straight block-for-block image of the disk?
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19:44.01Ecalixyes \amethyst
19:44.12Ecalixsuch as ghost does preferably.
19:44.15\amethystEcalix:  you can do dd if=/dev/hda of=hda-imagefile
19:44.15mhallWhat do I need to run to wrap long lines in a text file to 80 columns?
19:44.17wols_dd for copying
19:44.25\amethystI don't know the details of ghost, unfortunately
19:44.37\amethystmhall:  fmt  perhaps?
19:44.54wols_Ecalix: mondo, FOG, etc
19:45.09bahadunnamphi: fmt?
19:45.17wols_Ecalix: ghost4unix
19:45.20bahadunn\amethyst: fmt?
19:45.41Ecalixok, well i thank you very much for all your assistance. have a good one mates
19:45.43\amethystbahadunn:  fmt is a filter for reformatting text
19:45.48bahadunnah
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19:47.18The_Kernelhow do I change the systems name
19:47.28The_Kernellike user@host:
19:47.33TurboBeeI just got done upgrading to sid on my desktop and the window manager didn't change like it did  on my laptop.  I use the same setup on both. like the window manager changed for a split second and then went back.
19:48.00TurboBee!held back
19:48.01dpkgkept back is probably when packages have not been upgraded even though newer versions are available. This happens if dependencies cannot be resolved, packages are on hold or you used "upgrade" not "dist-upgrade" and new packages need to be installed. To investigate, "apt-get -s install <kept-package>". Also see http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/69
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19:49.55\amethystThe_Kernel:  use the hostname command to set it right now, /etc/hostname to change the default for future boots
19:50.14The_Kernelok
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19:51.49spldartThanks all!
19:52.05chinoif i wanted to alter a compile time settings or two for a debian package... could i download the official package, alter it and just add my own initials and build number ?
19:52.14chinoi mean is that the standard way to do it
19:52.20chopschino: Yes, that's the standard way to do it
19:52.30bahadunnchops: yes
19:52.54chinowhat do i do to see what compile options were done, download the source version of the package and investigate?
19:53.00rsteeledunno
19:53.03chopschino: Correct.
19:53.26chopschino: See the developer's reference for exactly what all the stuff in the source package's debian/ directory means
19:53.42mhallexit
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19:53.57\amethystekix:  find . \! -name "*.cpp"
19:53.59\amethystdoh
19:53.59chopschino: Just running dpkg-buildpackage and looking at what the configure output and/or gcc options are is a good quick way
19:54.02\amethystwrong channel
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19:54.16chinochops:  so if i download the source version... can i alter that directly then issue some command to build a deb from ?
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19:54.28chopschino: Yep.  The command is dpkg-buildpackage.
19:54.34chinocool
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19:54.47chopschino: You'll want to do 'apt-get build-dep packagename' too to get the dependencies
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19:55.10chinochops:  yea but my modifications might change the deps...
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19:55.23chopschino: You'll have to manually install your deps, then.
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19:55.42chopschino: ... and depending on the details, you may want to modify the dependencies specified in debian/control
19:55.48chinochops:  there is no file iin the built .deb that i can define whats a dependency ?
19:55.59chinok
19:56.47ekix\amethyst, :P
19:57.18mirakis there a graphical way to share files with apache ~/public_html/ way ?
19:59.06stewmirak: what do you mean by graphical?
19:59.30biopytehi. i have a standard lenny installation. several printers installed. but how do i get rid of printers? 'remove' is grayed out in gnomes 'system-administration-printers-printer' dialog.
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20:02.02Ace2016Hi all
20:02.13Ace2016anyone know how to find if a usb storage device is a fake?
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20:02.36Ace2016i got this thing from ebay, it shows as 2gb but is only storing 900mb
20:02.51solar_seatry reformating / repartitioning it
20:03.57Ace2016would that wipe the firmware? its an mp3 player
20:04.17pirokobiopyte: You could try cups' web interface at localhost:631
20:04.23stewAce2016: what size does "fdisk -l" report it as?
20:04.27pirokobiopyte: And login as root when prompted for a user/password
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20:05.59stewAce2016: what does it say for "Disk /dev/sdc..." above that?
20:06.17Ace2016<PROTECTED>
20:06.34mirakstew: something that set it up graphically first. then propose you to allow symlinks or not. Or propose to do hardlinks when you move to public_html folder, or suggest to create a folder with a password.
20:06.48mirakI think there something like that on new OS X
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20:07.58stewAce2016: what is on the line that starts with "Disk /dev/sdc"?
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20:08.16stewmirak: i don't know of one
20:08.28Ace2016Disk /dev/sdc: 2095 MB, 2095318016 bytes
20:08.45Ace201632 heads, 63 sectors/track, 2029 cylinders
20:08.46Ace2016Units = cylinders of 2016 * 512 = 1032192 bytes
20:08.46Ace2016Disk identifier: 0x00000000
20:08.47stewAce2016: does that answer your original question then?
20:08.59Ace2016but what about units
20:09.16stewAce2016: what about it?
20:09.47Ace20161 032 192 / 1 024 = 1 008
20:09.53Ace2016so its 1Gb right?
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20:10.39chinochops:  what is .dsc
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20:11.18pirokochino: http://www.fileinfo.net/extension/dsc
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20:11.27colerbearhello my laptop has no sound. i followed https://help.ubuntu.com/community/HdaIntelSoundHowto    to manually specify module parameters. the command   cat /proc/asound/card0/codec#* | grep Codec  says not found. HALP!
20:11.32\amethystpiroko:  err, no
20:11.41colerbearthe #ubuntu room is a bunch of noobs
20:11.51piroko\amethyst: Or a database description file?
20:12.07\amethystchino:  it's a control file for a source package
20:12.12stewAce2016: there are 1032192 bytes per cylinder and 2029 cylinders for a total of 2095318016 bytes
20:12.18epsiloncolerbear: learn from it and install debian
20:12.19Ronincolerbear: #ubuntu please if thats what you run
20:12.22piroko\amethyst: Lol, sorry
20:12.23Ace2016oh
20:12.24stewdpkg: 1032192 * 2029
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20:12.41stewdpkg: (1032192 * 2029) / (1000*1000*1000)
20:12.42dpkg2.094317568
20:12.58stewso 2.09 gigabytes
20:12.58colerbearim sorry but i need ubuntu.
20:13.04colerbearif you can help anyway?
20:13.05\amethystchino:  http://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ch-controlfields.html#s-debiansourcecontrolfiles
20:13.08colerbearsmart people
20:13.11Ronincolerbear: why? and no we cant if you run ubuntu
20:13.25pirokocolerbear: There are distinct differences, unfortunately.
20:13.26colerbearits the same command line
20:13.27stewcolerbear: pleaes go to #ubuntu for help with ubuntu.  sorry, we can't help you here
20:13.30colerbearoh really
20:13.35colerbearok well thanks
20:13.39Ace2016Could not write file /media/disk/tes.
20:13.39Ace2016Disk full
20:13.42Ace2016:(
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20:14.27stewAce2016: show us the output of "df -h /dev/sdc1"
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20:14.59chinothere should be a Local/MakeFile in exim source but yet i do not see one
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20:15.35rubymonkHello everyone :) I would know where I can modify the files that are on initramfs ?
20:15.38Ace2016# mkdir test
20:15.39Ace2016mkdir: cannot create directory `test': No space left on device
20:15.40stewAce2016: so that partition is only 903MiB, is there a /dev/sdc2 ?
20:15.45\amethystAce2016:  it's a DOS filesystem or Unix?
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20:15.48Ace2016oh partitions
20:15.59\amethyststew:  huh?
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20:16.07stew\amethyst: hi
20:16.08\amethyststew:  where do you get that that partition is only 903M ?
20:16.09Ace2016sda   sda1  sda2  sda3  sdb   sdb1  sdb2  sdb3  sdb4  sdc   sdc1   << only sdc1 shown
20:16.13\amethyststew:  err, 930
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20:16.18stew\amethyst: oh
20:16.19stewright
20:16.23stewi misread that
20:16.25Ace2016\amethyst: its my mp3 player off ebay
20:16.37stewAce2016: sorry, forget what i'm saying about partitions
20:16.39\amethystAce2016:  what does mount say about it?
20:16.48Ace2016mount?
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20:17.06HSorgYvesi am trying to detect installed java version under debian; when i create the links using the alternatives system i get /usr/bin/java -> /etc/alternatives/java -> /usr/local/bin/jre1.6.0_03/bin/java; which one should i detect? 1) /usr/bin/java or 2) /usr/local/bin/jre1.6.0_03/bin/java ?
20:17.10madclickerhi, which program can i use to generate squid proxy reports?
20:17.10Ace2016<PROTECTED>
20:17.20stewAce2016: are any other partitions close to full when you run just "df -h" ?
20:17.36\amethysthmm
20:17.44\amethystvfat doesn't have anything like an inode limit, does it?
20:17.49Ace2016this is about the closest to full /dev/sdb3              45G   43G  2.1G  96% /home
20:17.58stewHSorgYves: why are you trying to detect them?  are you just trying to detect the current one? or any installed java?
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20:18.17blubberdiblub\amethyst: fat16 does, and that's what he uses, if i remember correctly
20:18.18Ace2016thats all
20:18.26stewAce2016: what directory were you in when you ran "mkdir test"
20:18.37\amethystblubberdiblub:  do you know what the limit is?
20:18.46Ace2016<PROTECTED>
20:18.59happla/dev/cvfsctl3_archive01 16T   15T  724G  96% /mnt/archive01
20:19.00happla=)
20:19.08blubberdiblub\amethyst: well it's configurable with the formatting utility, but usually 512 (if using only 8.3 names)
20:19.15\amethystAce2016:  what does df -i /dev/sdc1  say?
20:19.17Ace2016oh my god!
20:19.22Ace2016is that made up?
20:19.26happlaAce2016: no
20:19.34stew512 inodes?
20:19.35HSorgYvesstew: to allow the user the choice which one to use; i have 2 choices: detect the ones in the path and detect all installed ones; mainly running the detect in path one
20:20.02happlaAce2016: I can paste it without the -h to =)
20:20.07blubberdiblubwell, 512 8.2 entries in the root dir
20:20.14\amethystoh, per-directory
20:20.15happlaAce2016: 16110057600 15351113240 758944360  96% /mnt/archive01
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20:20.19blubberdiblubthere's no such limit for subdirectories
20:20.20mirakstew: it seems joomla is doing that
20:20.24blubberdiblub8.3 even
20:20.25Ace2016<PROTECTED>
20:20.31mirakstew: but that's a bit heavy to put in place
20:20.40sdubois92is there a special repo for webmin? apt-cache search webmin doesnt find it
20:20.42mirakstew: seems it's mythtv style ^^
20:20.44blubberdiblubif using long filenames ... well, they use more than one 8.3 entry
20:20.50\amethystAce2016:  err, sorry, use the mountpoint rather than the device
20:20.50Ace2016now it seems to be sdd1
20:21.11Ace2016Filesystem            Inodes   IUsed   IFree IUse% Mounted on
20:21.11Ace2016/dev/sdd1                  0       0       0    -  /media/dis
20:21.23stewHSorgYves: if you want a list of all instanned you can run "update-alternatives --list java"
20:21.32Ace2016oh wait
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20:22.02HSorgYvesstew: i know, but for the ones in the path, you would return /usr/bin/java and not resolve the links?
20:22.16alecssysi have a little problem
20:22.27\amethystAce2016:  How many files do you have in the device's root directory?
20:22.29FastPuttynew Tween(testClip,"_x",None.easeOut,testClip._x,0,10,true)
20:22.32FastPuttywhat wrong with this&
20:22.36\amethystAce2016:  and can you create files in a subdirectory?
20:22.42alecssysi'm trying to install nvidia-glx and i get this nvidia-glx: Depends: nvidia-kernel-100.14.19 but it is not installable
20:22.42Ace2016167 files
20:22.47Ace2016can't create a subdir
20:23.01\amethystAce2016:  you don't have any subdirectories there already?
20:23.04Ace2016oh i deleted a file and i could make the dir test
20:23.15Ace2016no no sub dirs untill the one i just made
20:23.18blubberdiblubAce2016: can you move one file off the disk, create a subdirectory, and then move everything into the subdirectory?
20:23.40\amethystFastPutty:  it's not valid Lisp syntax
20:23.53Ace2016hey hey no its copying
20:24.09alecssysdoes anyone have any ideea ?
20:24.21Ace2016now*
20:24.27stewHSorgYves: yes
20:24.28blubberdiblubAce2016: because it's FAT16 filesystem ... that's how it works, sorry
20:24.41HSorgYvesstew: thx
20:24.44\amethystAce2016:  because FAT is old old, and the root directory is supposed to be in a certain place on disk, where there's only room for a certain number of entries
20:24.51Ace2016no way, you mean windows 95 actually had to put up with a file limit?
20:24.52stewHSorgYves: (since the links aren't in the path).  if you want to resolve the links, you can run "readlink -f $(which java)" or something
20:25.05rubymonkAny tip on what may be happening if beep doesn't... well.... beep...
20:25.05Ace2016ah ok
20:25.07\amethystAce2016:  according to blubberdiblub, only in the root directory
20:25.15blubberdiblubAce2016: there's no such file limit inside of sub directories
20:25.22HSorgYvesstew: i know how to resolve them, the question is if i should, what the user expects (i am no debian pro)
20:25.34rubymonkI'm root btw...
20:25.43sdubois92is there a special repo for webmin? apt-cache search webmin doesnt find it
20:25.44stewi don't know what the users expects
20:25.46rubymonkand the pcspkr module is loaded...
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20:26.15pirokoJesus. #ubuntu is a scary place...
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20:26.48helois there anything special that i need to do to use two usb joysticks that are exactly the same?
20:26.55happlapiroko: haha, you should try #fedora =)
20:27.04helozsnes won't let me use both at the same time... both become unreponsive unless only one or the other is plugged in
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20:27.22Ace2016piroko: why?
20:27.24\amethysthelo:  what about other programs?
20:27.33Ace2016ok i should be able to copy all of it this tiem
20:27.35Ace2016time*
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20:28.08pirokoAce2016: It's just that you can tell that a lot of the people have never touched linux before, and their questions are very confusing at times
20:28.13m4lu8I wonder, "Where did my friend 'java-package' go?"
20:28.25helo\amethyst: i can get changes by catting /dev/input/js0/1
20:28.33m4lu8I see all these new-fangled sun-java5 packages, and wonder if make-jpkg is a thing of the past?
20:28.42pirokom4lu8: sun-java6-jre and sun-java6-jdk?
20:28.51\amethystm4lu8:  it's still around, though I don't know if it works with java6
20:28.51m4lu8yeah.
20:28.54pirokom4lu8: Oh, and sun-java6-plugin ;)
20:29.11\amethystactually, description says it works with java6
20:29.22m4lu8i've been using java-package for years, w/older java5 stuff. so anyway, the meat of my issues,
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20:29.51wols_m4lu8: to contrib
20:29.54wols_it still exists
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20:30.07m4lu8this new laptop i bought last week, latest greatest 'testing' on it. all works well, save for my java apps. get all manner of errors starting em' up, wondeirng if it's because of the 'debianized' java i'm not used ot.
20:30.12wols_!info java-package etch
20:30.16dpkgjava-package: (utility for building Java(TM) 2 related Debian packages), section contrib/misc, is optional. Version: 0.28 (etch), Packaged size: 23 kB, Installed size: 352 kB
20:30.27m4lu8excellent. contrib is not in my sources list.
20:30.30wols_m4lu8: dpkg -l |grep -i java
20:30.34vinilios_is there any way to delete a folder which has been chowned 000 ?
20:30.39vinilios_as root ofcourse..
20:30.48m4lu8but anyway. i wonder if I should be using, or trying to use, the java stuffs in the std dist?
20:31.06wols_m4lu8: rarely it will work well but your choice
20:31.11pirokovinilios_: chowned or chmoded?
20:31.15abrotmanm4lu8: it's still there
20:31.17wols_if the java app is in main it should work tho
20:31.22m4lu8wols_: as i'm experiencing. nothing works ;)
20:31.31m4lu8eclipse doesn't work, my aquadata studio doesn't work, etc.
20:31.35wols_m4lu8: I asked you for the output of something
20:31.37vinilios_chowned i guess
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20:32.10pirokovinilios_: Try chmod 755 <file> then try to remove it (assuming you are root)
20:32.15ekimusHello, I just let wiki.debian.org send me a new password but I'm too dump to login with that. I use my wikiname and the passwordhash as in the mail but the wiki keeps saying wrong password. is there some uebersmart trick  or what?
20:32.20m4lu8vols_ I see that. i'm not about to dump a few dozen lines into ths chan.
20:32.20sdubois92is there a special repo for webmin? apt-cache search webmin doesnt find it
20:32.39fabio___when I execute "apt-cache search something".. how can i know if the listed packages are installed or not? thanks
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20:32.45pirokom4lu8: Pastbin it
20:33.04vinilios_prioko : i get "Operation not permitted"
20:33.04m4lu8or, #flood, which is where I patiently wait for wols_
20:33.16vinilios_its on a vps
20:33.25vinilios_the technical support changed the file
20:33.53rubymonkAnyone to help me on figuring out why my pcspkr doesn't beep ?
20:34.00vinilios_----------   1 nobody   nobody   4915 Dec  1 04:58 file
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20:34.10FastPutty\amethyst: how can i get my testCLip to move when i click on him
20:34.17FastPuttynew Tween(testClip,"_x",None.easeOut,_level0._x,50,10,true) not working
20:34.23\amethystFastPutty:  try asking in a relevant channel
20:34.31FastPuttyoops wrong channel omg
20:34.31Trampvinilios_: to remove something, the permissions of the folder it is in are relevant
20:34.33FastPuttyXD
20:34.34\amethystFastPutty:  I don't even know what language that's supposed to be :)
20:35.06pirokovinilios_: So chmoding it gave you the operation not permitted error?
20:35.09Trampvinilios_: and "folders" are usually called directories anyways
20:36.02pirokoTramp: That doesn't really help his problem
20:36.04vinilios_piroko: yes
20:36.28Tramppiroko: of course. He has to change the permissions of the directory the file is in.
20:36.34Ace2016there are way too many people in #ubuntu to keep up with the convo
20:36.38vinilios_its the first time i see that kind of permissions in a file
20:36.51pirokoTramp: I meant your second comment :
20:36.53pirokoTramp: :)
20:37.17vinilios_could it be that the change has been made from virtuozzo ?
20:37.22Tramppiroko: If it would've been my only remark, I would agree 8)
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20:38.22pirokoYeah, I've not messed with vps's and that is something I have never seen before
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20:40.18\amethystAce2016:  but lost your faith in filesystems designed by Washington software companies?
20:40.54Alarmhello, i tried to compile a java programm but i get: Target does not exist or is not on PATH. .  it seems that the IDE doesnt find the javac bin file. if i remember a bit there was a reconfigure or alternatives command that was fixing that ?
20:41.01Alarmjdk6 is installed on my system
20:41.15Alarmrockpc:/home/alarm# java -version
20:41.15Alarmjava version "1.6.0"
20:41.51stewAlarm: what does "javac -version" return?
20:42.05Alarmrockpc:/home/alarm# javac -version
20:42.06Alarmbash: javac: command not found
20:42.28stewAlarm: how did you install the jdk?
20:42.37Alarmstrange. just checked. jdk is installed on my system. through the repo
20:42.50Alarmi run applets as also applications with jre
20:42.56Alarmjust found out that i cand compile them
20:43.01stewAlarm: how did you install the jdk?
20:43.11Alarmthrough the debian repo
20:43.16Ace2016now it thinks the disk is empty :(
20:43.21wols_Alarm: dpkg -l |grep jdk
20:43.27stewAlarm: you installed a pacakge?  what package?
20:43.35Alarmrc  sun-java5-jdk                        1.5.0-13-1                       Sun Java(TM) Development Kit (JDK) 5.0
20:43.36Alarmii  sun-java6-jdk                        6-00-2                           Sun Java(TM) Development Kit (JDK) 6
20:43.45Alarmhuh ? there are two installed ?
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20:44.02epsilonno, look at rc and ii
20:44.04wols_no there aren't. one is rc other is ii
20:44.04stewAlarm: no, there is only one installed, the c in rc means removed but not purged
20:44.12blubberdiblubAce2016: the player? well, if you can live with it, you could use 8.3 filenames instead of the long ones ... that lets you put more files into the root dir
20:44.13stewAlarm: try "update-alternatives --config javac"
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20:44.18wols_Alarm: dpkg -L sun-java6-jdk |grep javac
20:44.41Alarmno which from those two commands ? :)
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20:44.55fabio___here you can see my memory usage: http://apache.pastebin.ca/820927 what do  you think?
20:45.02Ace2016ok it works, it has to have at least mp3 file in the root dir
20:45.05AlarmThere is only 1 program which provides javac
20:45.06Alarm(/usr/lib/jvm/java-6-sun/bin/javac). Nothing to configure.
20:45.22stewAlarm: what does "readlink -f /usr/bin/javac" return ?
20:45.41Alarmstew nothing.
20:45.57Alarmrockpc:/home/alarm# dpkg -L sun-java6-jdk |grep javac
20:45.58Alarm/usr/lib/jvm/java-6-sun-1.6.0.00/man/man1/javac.1.gz
20:45.58Alarm/usr/lib/jvm/java-6-sun-1.6.0.00/man/ja/man1/javac.1.gz
20:45.58Alarm/usr/lib/jvm/java-6-sun-1.6.0.00/bin/javac
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20:46.14Alarmsorry for pasting too many lines
20:46.16stewAlarm: then you must have removed /usr/bin/javac, run "ln -s /etc/alternatives/javac /usr/bin/java"
20:46.27stewAlarm: then try "javac --version" again
20:46.35stewerr -version
20:46.37Alarmln: creating symbolic link `/usr/bin/java' to `/etc/alternatives/javac': File exists
20:46.43mark_shi all, I use a MSI KT880 Delta Series Mainboard. With debian 3.0 I had no Problems, with Debia 4.0 the onboard LAN works only for a few minutes and then I cannot copie fieles etc. But I still can connect via ssh. The manual says its a VIA VT(8237 Giga-bit LAN. Is this a dreiver problem and what could I do?
20:46.48Alarmrockpc:/home/alarm# javac --version
20:46.49Alarmbash: javac: command not found
20:46.50epsilonlink java to javac?
20:47.00Alarmi cant remember messing up with the java bins at all
20:47.08wols_mark_s: try a newer kernel?
20:47.11stewAlarm: sorry, "ln -s /etc/alternatives/javac /usr/bin/javac"
20:47.26Alarmln: creating symbolic link `/usr/bin/javac' to `/etc/alternatives/javac': File exists
20:47.28stewAlarm: if /usr/bin/javac doesn't exist then SOMEONE removed it
20:47.44mark_swols_: do I get a newer kernel through the backports?
20:47.51epsilon.oO THEY did it
20:47.52wols_mark_s: yes. 2.6.22
20:47.56stewAlarm: what does "readlink -f /usr/bin/javac" return?
20:48.00Alarmi am the one that uses the computer :) noone else hehe, surely i didnt manualy removed it. maybe did by mistake something with apt-get
20:48.11Alarmreadlink nothign
20:48.23mark_swols_: what do I have to add to the source file?
20:48.30wols_Alarm: ls -l /usr/bin/java*
20:48.36wols_!tell mark_s about backports
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20:48.58Alarmlrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 22 2007-10-18 12:59 /usr/bin/java -> /etc/alternatives/java
20:48.59Alarmlrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 23 2007-10-19 23:07 /usr/bin/javac -> /etc/alternatives/javac
20:48.59Alarmlrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 25 2007-10-19 23:07 /usr/bin/javadoc -> /etc/alternatives/javadoc
20:48.59Alarmlrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 23 2007-10-19 23:07 /usr/bin/javah -> /etc/alternatives/javah
20:48.59Alarmlrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 23 2007-10-19 23:07 /usr/bin/javap -> /etc/alternatives/javap
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20:49.08cloakable:D
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20:49.10stewso readlink is broken?
20:49.17Ace2016it uses firmware from an lg phone :) i love this device, not because its great or amazing, but because someone took the time to design a product that actually works as described
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20:50.06\amethystYourname``:   which version of Debian?
20:50.19Yourname``I dont know :S How can I check?
20:50.26\amethystYourname``:  cat /etc/debian-version
20:50.29mark_swols_:thank you
20:50.37\amethystYourname``:  sorry    cat /etc/debian_version
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20:50.58Yourname``lenny/sid
20:51.03Yourname``\amethyst : It's lenny/sid
20:51.11stewAlarm: if that is the case then "readlink -f /usr/bin/javac" should be returning more than nothing
20:51.15wols_21:49 < stew> so readlink is broken?
20:51.16\amethystYourname``:  then   dpkg-reconfigure tzdata
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20:51.26blubberdiblubAce2016: you could try if it can handle FAT32 as well. then you don't have a restriction on number of filenames in the root dir
20:51.31Alarmwell it doesnt return me anything at all
20:51.32\amethystYourname``:  in etch you could do tzconfig  but that's not around any more in testing
20:51.40Ace2016yea i will try that
20:51.43abrotman!set the time
20:51.43dpkgTo set the time in debian, use date --set. The truly enlightened user, however, will install ntp and adjtimex to have their clock set automatically on reboot and slewed to match time servers. You may also need to run tzconfig (sarge, etch), dpkg-reconfigure tzdata (lenny, sid), and make sure you have the right UTC setting in /etc/default/rcS first.
20:51.50Alarmrockpc:/home/alarm# readlink -f /usr/bin/javac
20:51.51Alarmrockpc:/home/alarm#
20:52.17\amethystAlarm:  ls -l /etc/alternatives/javac
20:52.31Alarmlrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 37 2007-10-19 23:07 /etc/alternatives/javac -> /usr/lib/jvm/java-1.5.0-sun/bin/javac
20:52.41stewhis system is just broken
20:52.45\amethystAlarm:   and do you have that version of java installed?
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20:52.54stewupdate-alternatives said he was linked to java1.6 already
20:52.56Alarmi got 1.6 installed
20:53.00stew\amethyst: he doesn't
20:53.02\amethystAlarm:  try  update-alternatives --config javac
20:53.05stew\amethyst: he did
20:53.10\amethyston java*c*?
20:53.15\amethystor on java?
20:53.20Alarm(/usr/lib/jvm/java-6-sun/bin/javac). Nothing to configure.
20:53.37stew15:45 < Alarm> There is only 1 program which provides javac 15:45 < Alarm> (/usr/lib/jvm/java-6-sun/bin/javac). Nothing to configure.
20:53.47\amethysthrm
20:53.54stewAlarm: what version of debian are you running?
20:53.55\amethystbut the link in /etc/alternatives is wrong?
20:54.00Alarmtesting
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20:54.06stewAlarm: what version of coreutils do you have installed?
20:54.12fabio___what do you think of this memstat output: http://apache.pastebin.ca/820938 do you think there is something wrong? thanks
20:54.18Alarmbut didnt have that problem before with java. till now i was fixing that with an alternative configuration
20:54.35Alarmi got 2.6.15 kernel
20:54.37Alarmif thats what u mean
20:54.58Alarmsorry: 2.6.18-5-686
20:55.02stewAlarm: what does "apt-cache policy coreutils" say for Installed: ?
20:55.11\amethystfabio___:  err?
20:55.18\amethystfabio___:  what's the context here?
20:55.28Alarmcoreutils:
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20:56.29fabio___\amethyst: i've only 256mb of RAM, sometimes when i'm on remote ssh, i see "fork: cannot allocate memory", so I think that in some moments i have many http requests and apache fill memory... so i'm thinking how I can solve it.
20:56.39stewdunno, no idea why neither readlink nor update-alternatives are working.  those are both pretty fundamental utilities
20:56.43\amethystfabio___:  it says you're using about 113MB of virtual memory right now
20:56.59Yourname``\amethyst: It worked. Thank you. Also, httpd doesn't start on boot.. what will I have to do?
20:57.06fabio___\amethyst: this is top output : http://apache.pastebin.ca/820927
20:57.29fabio___\amethyst: i think that when apache is in "standby" i have no memory problem.. right?
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20:58.22\amethystfabio___:  you only have 256MB of memory but you're running apache and mysql????
20:58.23stewAlarm: can you show us the output of "strace readlink /usr/bin/javac" ; use a pastebin: /msg dpkg pastebin
20:58.34\amethystfabio___:  of course you're going to run out of memory sometimes
20:58.47fabio___\amethyst: yes.. but i see i just fill 90mb of memory.. no?
20:58.49\amethystfabio___:  you could at the very least add some swap space
20:58.54Alarmstrace : command not found. i guess i must install it
20:59.06\amethystfabio___:  right, but when more connections come in, they will take more meory
20:59.07fabio___\amethyst: i would like, but it's a virtual server, and they don't want it..
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20:59.32\amethystfabio___:  doesn't have to be a swap partition---a swap file would be OK, too
20:59.54Yourname``Hi, httpd doesn't start on boot.. what will I have to do?
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21:00.20fabio___\amethyst: i was on the apache channel. I proposed to reduce this value: MaxClients          150
21:00.27Alarmok let me install it . hold on
21:00.33\amethystfabio___:  that sounds reasonable
21:00.38\amethystfabio___:  also, mysql
21:00.56comeditI want to quicly add 170 gb to a user on a installation of ebox (www.ebox-platform.com , still sarge) but great software, what is the command to mount a usb connected storage device ?
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21:01.04\amethystfabio___:  but I guess most of your db connections come from webapps
21:01.12fabio___only webapps
21:01.31\amethystfabio___:  so if you reduce the number of web connections, you'll reduce the number of mysql connections too :)
21:01.36fabio___ok
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21:02.00fabio___\amethyst: i get a 90mb of ram when i discovered that innodb engine occupied so much ;)
21:02.01Alarmstew, http://paste.lisp.org/display/52687
21:02.22stewwrite(1, "/etc/alternatives/javac\n", 24/etc/alternatives/javac
21:02.25fabio___before, i was always at 170mb busy of 256mb :P
21:02.26\amethystfabio___:  Have you turned down the cache sizes in mysql?
21:02.29stewso its nto the case that it doesn't output anything
21:02.54\amethystfabio___:  it's a real performance hit, but it looks like you need to optimize for RAM usage right now
21:02.58Alarmwhich means
21:03.05stewAlarm: what is returned when you run just "readlink /usr/bin/javac" ?
21:03.15fabio___do you think 90mb of 256mb is not good? :)
21:03.23Alarm/etc/alternatives/javac
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21:03.29\amethystfabio___:  you said it was still running out in some situations
21:03.32fabio___yes
21:03.35comeditI want to quicly add 170 gb to a user on a installation of ebox (www.ebox-platform.com , still sarge) but great software, what is the command to mount a usb connected storage device ? Ther is no desktop on the machine
21:03.57fabio___i think when search engine spider visit the site, they do many request.. i need to queue them..
21:04.05stewAlarm: but nothing is returned from "readlink -f /usr/bin/javac"?
21:04.20Alarmnop. nothing at all
21:04.25\amethyststew:  of course nothing is returned
21:04.29fabio___i begin to try to reduce that maxclients number.
21:04.40mark_swols_: my system is still copying with the new kernel :-)
21:04.46\amethystoh
21:04.53fabio___i hope that apache will queue the requests when the maxclients is reached.
21:04.53\amethyststew:  never mind, I'm dumb
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21:05.15\amethystreadlink is still supposed to return the target of a broken link
21:05.16stew\amethyst: it should return something even if it finds a broken symlink
21:05.18stewyeah
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21:05.32Alarmi thought of removing java completely and installing it again. but removing it , will remove plenty of java applications that depend on java .
21:05.32stewAlarm: what is returned when you run just "readlink -f /usr/bin/javac" ?
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21:05.44stewAlarm: you have problems that run deeper than java
21:05.55Alarmreadlink -f /usr/bin/javac , nothing
21:05.59comeditnobody wants to help me on mounting this usb storage device ? (it is not automatically done if I look at /media
21:06.12Alarmthat doesnt sound good then
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21:06.31stewAlarm: oh, sorry, i meant, can you rerun the strace with the -f?
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21:06.39Alarmsure. hold on
21:06.42CartooncatHellos all
21:07.17bkwI've compiled 2.6.23.11 from source and everytime I boot it I get VFS: cannot open root device hda6 or unknown-block(0,0)
21:07.18Alarmhttp://paste.lisp.org/display/52688
21:07.20Alarmhere it is
21:07.38bkwBut with the same settings in grub/menu.lst and 2.6.18 it works fine
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21:07.53bkwIs that a bug in the latest stable kernel?
21:08.10stewi don't get it
21:08.15Alarmone thing that could maybe screwed up my system (cause i remember compiling java a few weeks ago), is that i did some upgrades on some libs/apps , and kept back the kernel upgrade. i kept my old ont
21:08.17Alarmold one
21:08.27Alarminstead of upgrading also the kernel
21:08.58Alarmthats the only thing i can think of  at the moment that i could have done wrong. else i dont play much with my system , or push on button i dont know
21:10.27bkwstew: Do you have any clue why I get that kernel panic?
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21:11.12valdynbkw: its not the same kernel configuration.
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21:11.30stewbkw: /msg dpkg can't mount root
21:11.55zichoHow does the official xorg intel-driver work with OpenGL?
21:12.04valdynzicho: fine
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21:12.13zichovaldyn: Good :)
21:12.37bkwvaldyn: No, it's not. I've been checking the menuconfig over and over. Can't really findout what's missing. Are there anything you can think of?
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21:12.40helois it possible/easy to get a usb joystick/buttons to control the pointer in X?
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21:12.49valdynzicho: you really should ask if <whatever game> runs.
21:13.14valdynbkw: i *know* that the disk driver configuration is different
21:13.29valdynbkw: or more precisely the disk controller driver.
21:13.31zichovaldyn: well, its a laptop not intended for gaming
21:13.49valdynzicho: so <whatever application>
21:13.49zichoi just wanted to know if simple OpenGL-games like rrootage can run, and I guess they can
21:14.09valdynzicho: that is not certain.
21:14.11heloiirc intel opengl can handle compiz too
21:14.16valdynzicho: simple has nothing to do with it, nearly
21:14.17saschahlhelo: jup
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21:14.21bkwvaldyn: How can I solve that?
21:14.28valdynbkw: use a debian kernel
21:14.30saschahlhelo: apt-get install xserver-xorg-input-joystick
21:14.35BartVBDoes anyone know of a dm_crypt ciper that's FAST? I want to encrypt a part of my disk with something thorough like AES but a large part is filled with just MP3s that don't need that much encryption. Something just above ROT13 level is good enough to encrypt that part.
21:14.35valdynbkw: i dont do kernel config debugging here, sorry
21:15.00zichovaldyn: well my brothers Thinkpad X30 has an intel graphics card, and it can run rrootage and even tux racer with the official xorg driver.
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21:15.15stewbkw: which disk controller has the disk containing your root partition?
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21:15.31valdynzicho: hmm, why did you ask your question in the first place?
21:15.36vinvinhi, i've installed a base system on my hard drive for which the / is on lvm. I have troubles booting the system from my initrd, I don't find how to launch /sbin/init properly
21:15.52valdynzicho: considering you already know the answer from your brothers X30?
21:16.14zichovaldyn: i did not know the X30 had an intel card when i asked the question. My bad.
21:16.24BartVBvinvin, what goes wrong? Does the kernel complain about being unable to mount your root partition?
21:16.40valdynzicho: i only play warcraft in wine, that works, some games do not
21:17.04valdynzicho: i.e. sauerbraten, iirc
21:17.08vinvinno BartVB, I already mount it from the initrd, but i just have a login prompt, nothing is loaded, lvm doesn't seems recognized and fs are not mounted
21:17.10bkwstew: root partition is /dev/hda6, and it's connected to a intel motherboard with ich5 (IDE).
21:17.13zichovaldyn: do you know if there is a resource to check xorgs support of different graphics cards?
21:17.20Alarmstew any suggestions that i could try or check
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21:17.42comeditI i directly connect a NTFS external harddisk through usb to a debian installation (without desktop) can I then directly access it in the debian directory structure and if so where can I find it ?
21:17.43comedit(I need to transfer 170gb and through winscp direct it takes two days) so I want to avoid that.
21:17.46valdynzicho: does not exist, i think
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21:17.58stewAlarm: you could fix the /etc/alternatives/javac by hand to point to the javac binary that "update-alternatives --config javac" spits out, but i have no idea why you would have to do this by hand
21:18.11valdynzicho: you really can only state your demands and narrow choice down from there
21:18.16stewbkw: are you building an initrd kernel?  is the driver for that controll compiled in directly or as a module?
21:18.21Alarmι σεε
21:18.41BartVBvinvin, how did you create your initrd?
21:18.59vinvinBartVB: by hand, mounting a loop from a file
21:19.04vinvinand copying files
21:19.09karmatronicanybody with a hulu invitation ?
21:19.16zichovaldyn: okay. well i guess it will work fine on my intel card if it works on antother intel card. Im not looking for extreme prestanda.
21:19.19valdynzicho: and in fact for anyone on xorg there'S only nvidia and intel on modern hardware, and ati for older chips
21:19.23bkwstew: I downloaded the kernel src from kernel.org, and compiled by hand. support for controller is builtin. no initrd in my menu.lst
21:19.37gonzaloafhello, I'm using amarok 1.4.7 in lenny, and it hangs or freezes for long seconds usually when do a search in my collection, does somebody have the same problem?
21:19.38valdynzicho: everything else is either much older or not well supported
21:19.44BartVBvinvin, why didn't you just use something like update-initramfs?
21:19.51comeditvinvin was that for me ?
21:20.04stewbkw: are you sure that the device name is /dev/hda and not /dev/sdX under the newer kernel?  some newer kernels are changing in that way.
21:20.06valdynzicho: or exotic actually, like the via solutions, they're well supported too
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21:20.11zichovaldyn: well this intel card is relatively new.
21:20.47Speckalwhat's the difference between debian and ubuntu?
21:20.49zichovaldyn: Intel GMA X3000
21:20.51vinvinno comedit
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21:21.00BartVBvinvin, my knowledge of initrd is rather limited :) I do know that it 'just worked' for me when using the normal tools. Didn't need to customize initrd or anything. Just tell it to include lvm and let it mount root from /dev/mapper/...
21:21.04Speckaldeb is more stable, ubuntu is kept up-to-date?
21:21.04stewSpeckal: the goals are different.  every package is different
21:21.14bkwstew: Is that a difference between etch default kernel and 2.6.23.11 which I'm stuck with atm?
21:21.27valdyn(II) intel: Driver for Intel Integrated Graphics Chipsets: i810, i810-dc100, i810e, i815, i830M, 845G, 852GM/855GM, 865G, 915G, E7221 (i915), 915GM, 945G, 945GM, 945GME, 965G, 965G, 965Q, 946GZ, 965GM, 965GME/GLE, G33, Q35, Q33
21:21.29vinvinBartVB: because there are other things than lvm which need a special attention and a specific initrd
21:21.32vinvinok
21:21.34valdynzicho: tat is a g33 i think
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21:22.02valdynzicho: intel chip(set) naming is very irritating
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21:22.14zichovaldyn: yes, i have noticed that...
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21:22.28valdynzicho: x3000 being the gfx component of the g33 set
21:22.34stewbkw: possibly.  you can try switching /etc/fstab and your bootloader to using names like "UUID=1111-222-333..." instead of names linke '/dev/hda6' which would insulate you from this change.  you can learn the uuid of a partition with "ls -l /dev/disk"
21:22.38valdynzicho: wikipedia knows this completely
21:22.42vinvinthe target system tells me that /dev/sda1 is mounted as / but from the initrd I mounted /dev/mapper/something, I don't know how it comes up with this
21:22.49zichovaldyn: that means it will work fine, i presume?
21:23.02rcbarnesI need a newer kernel than stable has, can I just download from kernel.org, or should I use the debian package from testing or up?
21:23.03valdynzicho: on etch? no
21:23.15zichovaldyn: why not?
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21:23.21stewbkw: if its not the driver for the controller, it must be either the wrong device name or that you need to include the driver for the filesystem (ext3?)
21:23.27valdynzicho: etch is just older than that chip
21:23.51bkwstew: ext2/3 support is builtin
21:23.56valdynzicho: my chip is not supported by etch, i know that much, its a g33
21:24.12zichovaldyn: wikipedia says that GMA X3000 is a G965
21:24.19stewbkw: you might try booting with "root=/dev/sda6" instead of "root=/dev/hda6"
21:24.53bkwstew: it is a ide disk connected to mobo without any scsi or sata. can still hda been replaced with sda?
21:24.55stewbkw: if that gets you farther into the boot process, then consider the UUID stuff above
21:24.59stewbkw: yes
21:25.07comeditrefrasing: can I directly copy from external NTFS windows usb connected harddisk to a debian directory. Again I have no desktop installed but need to transfer 170gb to a samba account. Please help me
21:25.21BartVBvinvin, isn't it an option to start with a normal initrd, check if LVM works with that and customize that?
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21:25.47vinvinBartVB: lvm works since I'm able to mount all the fs from it in initrd
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21:26.02zichovaldyn: i guess it will work fine if i run testing.
21:26.04valdynzicho: that seems to be a successor of g33 or similar, so even newer
21:26.17valdynzicho: g33 being gma 3100 as far as i can see
21:26.19BartVBvinvin, so the main problem is that your initrd doesn't mount the correct root?
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21:26.39comeditIf I plug the disk the terminal recognizes the device but I am unable to locate through winscp where the device is
21:26.41zichovaldyn: "In May 2007, version 2.0 of the driver (xorg-video-intel) was released, which added support for the 965GM chipset."
21:26.58valdyn!info xserver-xorg-video-intel etch
21:26.59valdyn!etch
21:26.59dpkgEtch is the code name for the current stable Debian release, version 4.0, released on April 8th, 2007.  Ask me about <install debian>.  Please read the release notes at http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/releasenotes which also contain the upgrade procedure for upgrading from the previous version of Debian stable (<sarge>).
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21:27.22vinvinBartVB: actually it mounts the good one, but when I chroot into it and try to exec init, mount doesn't display the right one, and has no /dev/mapper or something, and init doesn't load anything
21:27.29valdyn!info xserver-xorg-video-intel lenny
21:27.37dpkgxserver-xorg-video-intel: (X.Org X server -- Intel i8xx, i9xx display driver), section x11, is optional. Version: 2:2.1.0-2 (lenny), Packaged size: 289 kB, Installed size: 592 kB
21:27.40puplin_laptopwhat are some good repos for up-to-date stuff?
21:27.46puplin_laptoplike, pidgin, etc.
21:27.56BartVBvinvin, you shouldn't need to do chroot within initrd IIRC?
21:28.02valdynzicho: that package does not exist in etch
21:28.11zichovaldyn: no, but i'll use testing.
21:28.11Roninpuplin_laptop: all repos are the same for each debian release/version
21:28.12BartVBvinvin, it would be better to use pivot_root if you can do that in initrd
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21:28.33vinvinBartVB: samples I've seen use pivot_root, then chroot to run init :/
21:28.53puplin_laptopRonin: yeah but i mean mirrors for stuff that's not like half a year old
21:28.57BartVBvinvin, ah, check out: /usr/src/linux/Documentation/initrd.txt :)
21:29.08vinvingood idea :) thanks BartVB
21:29.12BartVBvinvin, hmm, you're right. First pivot_root, then chroot.
21:29.25Roninpuplin_laptop: debian isn't known for being cutting edge
21:29.34Ronin!tell puplin_laptop about simple sid backport
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21:30.55puplin_laptopwat's simple sid backport
21:31.05puplin_laptopah ic
21:32.00malajubecan I change the size of a partition? too much space in /home and not enough in /
21:32.34valdynmalajube: get a livecd and use something like gparted
21:32.40asgmalajube: it depends on the filesystems you use. Either way, a backup of critical data is recommended
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21:33.28kom0dorHrm, is the Intel 3945 wireless card supported in etch?  I got the newest linux kernel from backports.org, but no luck?
21:33.50abrotman!ipw3945
21:33.51dpkgIf you're running a recent version of Debian (etch or greater), do the following: add <contrib> and <non-free> entries in your sources.list, "aptitude update && aptitude install ipw3945-modules-$(uname -r) firmware-ipw3945 ipw3945d && modprobe ipw3945".
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21:33.52malajubeok thanks
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21:34.29kom0dorhrm, thanks
21:35.33bkwstew: To replace "root=/dev/sda6" instead of "root=/dev/hda6", does that require change in /etc/fstab also?
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21:36.33stewbkw: you can test that from your bootloader.  if that actually gets you farther, then yes, you are going to have to edit fstab.  but you don't have to edit fstab just to try it.  which bootloader do you use?
21:36.58bkwgrub, I can press 'e' and edit the line
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21:37.27rubymonkAnyone please to help figuring out why my pc speaker won't beep ?
21:37.36rubymonkI tried everything I could think of
21:37.44rubymonkpcspkr module is loaded
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21:38.00sparr_oI have installed gnome (unintentionally) and now when my user logs in via xdm he gets gnome.  i can choose gnome vs other WMs in other DMs like gdm or wdm, but id like to use xdm and make non-gnome the default session.  help?
21:38.03puplin_laptoprubymonk: i hate the pc speaker :)
21:38.15vinvinrubymonk: it's not connected :)
21:38.17rubymonkpuplin_laptop, It's an appliance
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21:38.23rubymonkvinvin, Of course it is
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21:38.33vinvin:)
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21:39.06rubymonkused setterm to be sure of the freq and time of beep
21:39.15bkwstew: ok. I will try the changes. thanks.
21:39.19rubymonkI use the beep utility to do why I need
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21:39.29rubymonkI mean... I tried everything
21:39.35rubymonkI just don't get it
21:39.49rubymonkeven straced beep
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21:40.40rubymonkIt's a a very minimalistic system...
21:40.47rubymonkMaybe a package I forgot ?
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21:41.01rubymonkDoes the pc speaker depends on linux-sound-base ?
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21:42.17rubymonksounds not... just installed it...
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21:42.46sparr_ohow can i change the default WM?
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21:43.24simonrvnupdate-alternatives or making an ~/.xsession ; i thought you knew this already TBH
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21:43.35comeditI have connected a NTFS external USB harddisk to copy 170gb of files in to a samba dir. I have no desktop installed. Can I access this external harddisk directly and if so where can I find it ?
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21:44.21Kraigk i'm getting into debian unstable i wanna know what should i enable in order to debug possible flaws, like, i got a system hang a while ago, only pings were passing through, but i didn't see any core files, no info in dmesg or syslog, do you guys know of a good guide for debugging on debian?
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21:44.41comeditI have access through winscp and/or terminal
21:44.48sparr_osimonrvn: my alternative x-window-manager is not gnome, which is not helping.
21:44.56sparr_osimonrvn: and i want this to be system wide, not for a particular user
21:45.38simonrvnx-session-manager; x-window-manager
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21:46.36comeditmmm.... I really would appreciate a helping hand on this
21:47.06simonrvnuse smbclient; i don't do samba
21:47.11sparr_ohmm, my x-session-manager is gnome-session.  didnt realize that had gotten installed.  damned unwanted unnecessary dependencies
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21:48.00comeditsimonrvn: no deskptop as I said
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21:48.16felix_da_catzHow do I list all of the packages installed on my system?
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21:49.00felix_da_catzThanks.  So now that dovecot's sasl is not installed, how can I query uninstalled packages?
21:49.09themillcomedit: you use smbclient from the command line.
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21:50.00comeditthemill: I am not a command expert ... what do I do
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21:51.01comeditthe device is connected and from the terminal I get a confiration it has recognised it
21:51.14comeditconfirmation that is
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21:51.25comeditand then ..
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21:51.44themillcomedit: in short, "smbclient //myserver/myshare -U username" is where you should start. You can then mput a dir or similar. man smbclient has lots of clever examples.
21:52.13simonrvncomedit: yes, and?
21:52.28simonrvn^^^
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21:52.48Trampcomedit: can't you just mount it? Or do I miss something?
21:53.05themill(mounting would be even easier)
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21:53.14Trampcomedit: You said it's just an external HD with NTFS - FS
21:53.25comedityes
21:53.32Alarmstew, i did reinstall java jdk. now java -version doesnt return me anything but i get: rockpc:/etc/alternatives# readlink -f /usr/bin/javac
21:53.32Alarm/usr/bin/javac
21:53.36Alarmi dont know if this helps
21:54.21Trampcomedit: mount -t ntfs /dev/whatever /mnt/whatever, I'd suggest
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21:54.21stewAlarm: what does readlink say after running "update-alternatives --config javac"
21:54.21dudeis it ok to ask about xine? and ask why it kills X, lenny amd64 2.6.22
21:54.34themillTramp: afaict the source is an ntfs hard drive, but the target is a samba share.
21:54.59simonrvn(that's what you get for wrong info, distracts from getting decent help...)
21:55.07Alarmi get this strange thing: http://paste.lisp.org/display/52691
21:55.34comeditthe mill you are right: the source is an ntfs hard drive, but the target is a samba share.
21:56.01Trampah. So the problem is the target. Now I get it ...
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21:56.40comeditI will try to tell it in short ..
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21:57.28pirokodude: Just ask
21:57.32themillcomedit: easiest path would be to mount the share. look at man mount.cifs for some examples, but it will go something like "mount -t cifs //yourserver/yourshare /mnt/share -ouser=username,pass=password" and then you can use any copying tool you like such as rsync.
21:58.17pirokothemill: space between -o and user
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21:58.31Alarmstew, i did run: rockpc:/etc/alternatives# ln -s /etc/alternatives/javac /usr/bin/javac
21:58.47Rolhey, how can I replace a package? I mean I would like to replace /bin/ps as an example
21:58.51comeditI had connected this harddisk to  my latptop and thought to copy through winscp the calculation said it would take 2-3 days i wanted to avoid that
21:58.55Alarmand tried now: rockpc:/etc/alternatives# update-alternatives --config javac . it returned : There is only 1 program which provides javac
21:58.55Alarm(/usr/lib/jvm/java-6-sun/bin/javac). Nothing to configure.
21:58.55Alarm<PROTECTED>
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22:00.05comeditok the mill I will go and try
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22:00.27themillpiroko: I never use the space and it works.... :)
22:00.49pirokothemill: Ah ok. My bad. I just went by the manpage
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22:01.53themillpiroko: np... I probably should put a space in there if that's what is documented these days. I have vague memories that you once needed to connect the short option (-o) to its argument. But that probably went out with the ark.
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22:03.12themillpiroko: either that or I'm hallucinating...
22:03.19pirokothemill: Or both O_o
22:03.24themill:(
22:03.40abrotmanthemill: put the pipe down
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22:04.18pirokolol
22:04.44stewdon't bogart the entropy pool
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22:05.14pirokoGod we're a bunch of geeks :P
22:05.19cloakableyes
22:05.27pirokoI sometimes forget this
22:05.33cloakablelol
22:05.39cloakablehow?
22:06.16pirokoThe geeky jokes don't always come out I guess. Then I realize how corny they are. Then I realize how geeky we are
22:06.52Rolhttp://pastebin.com/m1b77d676
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22:06.59Rolhow do I disable this?
22:07.20pirokoRol: Run apt-get -f install?
22:07.39Rolyes I did
22:07.47Roljust a mkin
22:08.00pirokoRol: Wait, what version of debian are you running? You have packages from sarge and etch on there
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22:09.53rahulzomg.
22:09.57rahul!penixstrike markybob
22:09.57dpkgA towering Penix descends from the heavens, knocking markybob to the ground and leaving a large wet spot.
22:10.18markybobrahul hey man...glad to see you're still alive :)
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22:10.31rahullikewise to you!
22:10.49markybobrahul are you a programmer?  :p
22:10.55rahulheh
22:11.01rahulshould I say yes?
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22:11.35markybobrahul we have a very simple internal browser (pygtk using gtkmozembed)...that we need to have work on windows. so you'd have to use xulrunner inside of pygtk.  i havent a clue how to do that.  i'd pay you for it, so it's a contract type job
22:11.38VasisthaI'd like to install a bootable debian OS on a usb flash drive. Can I just run the regular netinst and specify to install the partitions there, instead of my hdd?
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22:12.05pirokorahul, markybob: private message?
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22:12.24rahulmarkybob: my company _does_ have something like that, but no clue how they structured it
22:12.36markybobrahul you should just steal the code for us :p
22:12.40rahulheh
22:12.44rahulI doubt it would help
22:12.47Rolhey, I started mysql without & at the end and now im stuck on console how do I get out?
22:12.51rahulif it would, they might open source it
22:13.06VasisthaRol: ctrl-z will pause the process; then press 'bg' to background it
22:13.13karmatronicRol: ctrl-c ...
22:13.14VasisthaRol: ...but wait...
22:13.21Rolhow do I press bg ?
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22:13.27Rolno, is not working
22:13.33VasisthaRol: what do you mean, you're "stuck on console"?
22:13.40themillRol: "bg" is next to the "any" key.
22:13.41rahulwhy aren't you starting mysql normally?
22:13.45Rol071218  0:08:02 [Note] /usr/sbin/mysqld: ready for connections.
22:13.45RolVersion: '5.0.18-Debian_3.dotdeb.1-log'  socket: '/var/run/mysqld/mysqld.sock'  port: 0  Source distribution
22:13.49Vasisthathemill: hehe
22:13.49Roland whatever U type
22:13.56Rolcannot do anything
22:14.02Rolcannot open another console
22:14.11RolI made a mistake
22:14.16karmatronicare there any vpn server available publically throughout the world...stuff like hotspotfield
22:14.26VasisthaRol: what version of debian are you using?
22:14.46Rol3.1
22:14.59RolI ipgraded libc
22:15.04Roland sshd is not working anymore
22:15.08wols_karmatronic: TOR and freenet nodes
22:15.19Rolsi if I close this console I will have to move to data center like 100 km
22:15.21themillRol: your box is a mess. For starters, get rid of all the dotdeb stuff.
22:16.39VasisthaRol: you upgraded libc? it sounds like you are not in good shape. If you want to upgrade libc, you do so with the command, 'aptitude dist-upgrade'
22:16.42comedittramp you gave the right tip ... thanks it save me two days: mount -t ntfs /dev/sda1 /mnt/lacie
22:16.44comeditNewbees can be easily help 170gb are pumping right now
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22:17.03wols_Rol: what kernel version do you run? 2.4.x?
22:17.10Trampcomedit: well, fine then 8)
22:17.15Rolyes, 2.4
22:17.20Roli was going to do an upgrade
22:17.31Rolthat;s why I got this, using apt-get upgrade
22:17.34wols_and you didn't read the upgrade instructions
22:17.38Rolcannot open another console
22:17.41Roland im stuck on this one
22:17.47wols_Rol: put the old libc6 back
22:18.02VasisthaRol: could it be that your computer has just locked up?
22:18.43Rolsshd: : relocation error: /lib/libnss_dns.so.2: symbol __res_maybe_init, version GLIBC_PRIVATE not defined in file libc.so.6 with link time reference
22:18.43RolConnection to 212.226.178.179 closed.
22:18.43Rolroot@cc:/tmp>
22:18.47wols_Rol: do you have a bash prompt?
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22:18.53Rolnot anymore
22:19.08wols_Rol: then go in your car and drive those 100km
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22:19.42Rolis there no posibility to cancel that mysqld command?
22:20.23karmatronicwols_: sorry ?
22:20.40douchebagis it necessarily true that when a bad shutdown happens, that debian must fix the hdd before it will load other services like ssh ftp?... i dont have a monitor so i can only assume that my pc is fixing the hdd, since i cannot login via ssh.. .is there anyway to allow ssh to load before this hdd fixing
22:21.19rahuldouchebag: you can't start sshd before you mount / read-write...
22:21.27douchebagare you serious..
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22:21.31TrampRol: Ctrl-C did not work?
22:21.44themillwols_: there's a chance that Rol doesn't have a bash prompt because he's watching a mysqld in the foreground.
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22:22.02dondelelcarodouchebag: if it really matters, set FSCKFIX=yes in /etc/default/rcS
22:22.15TrampRol: Maybe you accidentially hit Ctrl-S. In this case, try Ctrl-Q.
22:22.17dondelelcarodouchebag: that way it'll fix problems without asking.
22:22.24themilldouchebag: of course. Would you want sshd to be accepting connections when it can't log who is connecting and can't allow you to login and edit files as you want to do?
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22:23.12douchebagthemill: i see what you're saying
22:23.33hultizDo i need to install something to get ssh to work? Right now it refuses all incoming connections, outgoing ones work fine
22:23.40click170Can someone help me figure out why when I try to install Debian from just a regular netinst cd, the machine thinks I keep pressing % repeatedly, preventing me from inputting something as simple as a correct hostname
22:23.41click170?
22:23.45Rolnone working, control + s,z,q,c :(
22:24.08rahulclick170: try a keyboard that you didn't spill coffee on?
22:24.45click170rahul: lol, I would, but this keyboard is coffee free, and works fine for every other machine in the building
22:25.03rahulok, so unb0rk that machine's ps2 port
22:25.21TrampRol: I didn't tell you to hit ctrl-s. Now, for once, try ctrl-q followed by ctrl-c and nothing else. If that fails, you may be out of luck, although I don't know why.
22:25.25click170Rahul: The keyboard is connected to USB
22:25.42rahulclick170: well, fix that... I dunno
22:25.49rahulmaybe your bios settings are funky?
22:26.04themillhultiz: openssh-server package
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22:28.00hultizthemill: thanks, just installed it, gonna try if it works now
22:28.07themillnp
22:28.30click170How absurd, switching USB ports seems to have solved my percent problem for the time being.
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22:29.16Rolnot working, im out
22:29.47rahulclick170: hmm, I didn't think usb would act like that...
22:29.49rahuloh well
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22:32.05Vasisthawow, this is perfect, I should have consulted google first ^_^  http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/179
22:33.24Vasisthahultiz: if you have a firewall you may need to open it up as well (make sure you're running sshd, too:  pgrep sshd -l
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22:33.53click170Ok, I was wrong, switching ports did not entirely correct the '%' issue, it just seems to have changed it... It still seems to think I'm pressing it repeatedly but it doesn't enter %s in things such as the hostname anymore, allowing me to continue to the next problem.
22:34.24hultizVasistha: I just installed debian so i doubt i have a firewall at the moment, is there a specific one you would recommend?
22:34.40click170hultiz: Iptables!
22:35.04wols_karmatronic: you asked for "public VPN server". classic VPN via public servers is nonsense
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22:35.28rahulhultiz: why do you need a firewall?
22:35.35Vasisthahultiz: I use guarddog, which sets up iptables for me. I think it's the last gui sysadmin tool I still use :P
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22:36.04hultizwell, this is my server so it might be useful
22:36.18wols_hultiz: no it's not
22:36.26wols_or at least, rarely is
22:36.48hultizwell then, screw fw!
22:37.30rahulhultiz: a firewall is useful if you want to have services you are running accessible from some networks and not others
22:37.47rahulotherwise, it's just more overhead and another point of failure
22:38.15hultizwell, i obviously dont want random folks to have access to the server but apart from that, no
22:38.56karmatronicwols_: well hotspotfield is an example
22:39.00wols_hultiz: then don't open ports you don't want opened. vrey easy
22:39.26karmatronicwols_: swissvpn too
22:39.36wols_karmatronic: the point of VPNs is to have a secure channel between 2 endpoints you trust. no use if you can't trust the other endpoint, that public server
22:40.00karmatronicwols_: well, you re supposed to trust that public server ...
22:40.09rahulhultiz: so don't connect it to the internet
22:40.12pickcoderhultiz: is your connection wide open from the 'net or are you running through a router?
22:40.27rahulpickcoder: how are those two statements contradictory?
22:40.30wols_karmatronic: that's not a vpn. it's a anonymizer netweok/IP cloaking like tor
22:40.40rahulthe only way to make a connection open to the internet is to use a router.
22:40.47karmatronicwols_: since it opens a secure channel , it s a VPN...
22:41.12wols_and since those guys are a company, I'm sure they give up their logs of you as soon as someone looking vaguely like wearing a uniform approaches them. say a fireman
22:41.19pickcoderrahul: you obviously don't have cable internet plugged straight into your nic
22:41.22hultizpickcoder: its router'd
22:41.28rahulpickcoder: huh?
22:41.35pickcoderhultiz: so block everything on the router except services you want coming in
22:41.37wols_they don't sell you a vpn. the vpn is a means to connect to their service
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22:41.46karmatronicwols_: you should definitely have a look at hotspotfield,you re wrong
22:41.49pickcoderotherwise I'd suggest a firewall to block incoming traffic
22:41.54hultizpickcoder: true
22:42.07wols_karmatronic: I looked at swissvpn
22:42.12click170karmatronic:  I have to agree with wols_ on that one.
22:42.33rahulpickcoder: that statement was so bogus I don't know where to begin
22:42.41wols_hotspotfield.com is a domain grabber
22:42.48karmatronicclick170: well, i dont :)
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22:43.15pickcoderrahul: it's not bogus.. most of the cable modems I've seen don't have user routing features
22:43.21rahulpickcoder: anything that you plug an internet connection into is technically a NIC, since it's indistinguishable from one
22:43.26pickcoderyou get DHCP  service with either a dynamic or static IP
22:43.31rahulpickcoder: because cable modems don't route
22:43.33karmatronicwols_: sorry , hotspot shield
22:43.33wols_rahul: the router doesn't need to be in your home :)
22:43.35pickcoderexactly
22:43.43karmatronicwols_: it s a openvpn public server
22:43.57rahulwols_: that's my point
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22:44.16karmatronicwols_: see, it does exist...
22:44.17pickcoderif the ISP has your cable connection exposed, then you have to block your own incoming traffic with iptables or a hardware router
22:44.28rahulpickcoder: there is a router that connects whatever network your cable modem puts you on to the internet
22:44.34rahulwell, you don't HAVE to
22:44.47wols_karmatronic: it still isn't secure in any way. you trade one weakness for another basically
22:44.56rahulany more than you HAVE to firewall traffic to plug your laptop in at work
22:45.00wols_pickcoder: why do I have to block it? how does it help me?
22:45.26karmatronicwols_: well perfect security doesnt exist , for that i have my own VPN server
22:45.32wols_rahul: my windows comes with very vulnerable ports open by default and hard (but not impossible) to close
22:45.32pickcoderwols_: you don't have to block anything if you don't want to
22:45.35click170karmatronic:  wols_ is right, because you can't explicitly trust the other end, you really are just sacraficing one weakness for another
22:45.36wols_debian doesn't
22:45.42rahulpickcoder: you'd need to plug a router in front of the router, too, because that needs to be firewalled
22:45.46pickcoderleave it all open for all I care <G>
22:45.54wols_pickcoder: I mean how can all this stuff get in in the first place when the ports are closed since nothing's listening?
22:45.55rahulwols_: what does windows have to do with this?
22:46.14wols_rahul: it's the reason everything says OMG you need a firewall!!!^^11eleven
22:46.15rahulwols_: I have never once mentioned a system that would use windows :)
22:46.16pickcoderwols_: if you have local services listening on all interfaces then you would need it
22:46.25pickcoderif they're local only services then you don't
22:46.27karmatronicwols_: between encrypting to a "more or less" unsecure VPN and having my traffic on air when i m down at a wifi spot.....
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22:46.45rahulpickcoder: so fix the configs of those services
22:47.06rahulpickcoder: when all you have is a hammer, everything looks like a thumb
22:47.06\amethystoh, you said ctrl-k not ctrl-v
22:47.07wols_pickcoder: a debian standard isntall doesn't have many ports and no "dangerous" ones open last I checked
22:47.08\amethystdoh
22:47.19pickcoderwols_: ok
22:47.29pickcoderI guess nfs isn't an exposed port
22:47.34pickcoderor auth
22:47.37rahulnfs isn't a port
22:47.45wols_I don't have nfs installed, nor auth. where are they installed?
22:47.51rahulpickcoder: why did you install daemons that you didn't want?
22:48.03wols_rahul: I think he means portmap
22:48.04pickcoderrahul: get off my back
22:48.19rahulpickcoder: don't spread misinformation with newbies around
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22:48.23\amethystfam pulls in portmap
22:48.25pickcoderIt's not misinformation
22:48.28rahulit is
22:48.51wols_\amethyst: if I install standard debian there is no fam, is there?
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22:49.32rahulpickcoder: neither nfsd nor identd are installed by default in debian
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22:50.07click170A fresh Debian install is supposed to be as secure as possible.  Until the user has a chance to get his hands dirty mucking things up.
22:50.11\amethystwols_:  but people who install gnome might not expect that to install a network service like portmap
22:50.13rahulif YOU installed them, YOU clearly wanted to provide their services
22:50.28\amethystwols_:  (assuming they follow Recommends, which I believe is now the default)
22:50.39wols_amphi: unfrtunately it is now :(
22:51.15\amethystamphi: I imagine I cause you lots of annoyance :)
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22:52.23wols_\amethyst: _I_ cause lots of annoyance :)
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22:52.33SweetandyHow do I "open" a port for remote access?
22:52.54wols_Sweetandy: you let a daemon (or program) listen on a external interface
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22:53.07click170sweetandy:  Depends on what kind of remote access you want to allow.  SSH is the most popular.  `apt-get install ssh`
22:53.11karmatronicSweetandy: and have your firewall opened the corresponding port
22:53.26Sweetandy(...I don't have a firewall?)
22:53.48wols_Sweetandy: you have one. but it is not enabled usually cause it's not necessary
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22:54.54SweetandyWow, thanks guys!!
22:54.56Sweetandy8 D
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23:00.29TrampStarting mysqld from your only terminal is really a bad idea ... he could have tried mysqladmin from remote ...
23:00.32empath-Hey guys, would you recommend a nokia G... uh forgot the number:P  i mean does it work with linux?
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23:01.04vinvinthe 770 and 800 run on linux
23:01.25vinvinbut they are not phones :)
23:01.26empath-wait, let me check what i mean
23:02.30cloakablevinvin: They run linux, not run on linux ;P
23:02.43vinvinok cloakable :)
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23:03.20empath-nokia N95
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23:03.47UsiuHi
23:03.52empath-think it got gps
23:04.16UsiuIf sponsor uploade for me a package and if I fix a bug.. does it mean I have to ask him to upload it more times?
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23:05.24learningblhe i''m noob to Linux/Unix and am trying to change this crappy screen resolution..
23:05.38learningi tried editing the .conf file in X11, but it appears i can't do it.
23:05.39hatterthere are 4 sata connectors on this mobo, does sata have 4 independant channels ?
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23:06.24dondelelcaroUsiu: yes
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23:06.38learningi added a new resolution, say "1280x1024" in the lists but when i run xrandr to change it, nothing happens. i've googled for hours for this simple simple stuff. Help from anyone?
23:06.39Usiudondelelcaro, Are you DD ?
23:06.42dondelelcaroUsiu: yes.
23:06.51empath-uh
23:06.52Usiudondelelcaro, Can you upload it for me ?
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23:06.56learningI have a 7100gs
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23:07.18dondelelcaroUsiu: you should have your original sponsor upload it; I'd have to go through your entire package.
23:07.39Usiudondelelcaro, ok I'll ask him thanks
23:08.13blubs_or ist there a way to bootstrap a suse under debian for xen domU usage ?
23:08.22click170Not being a DD myself, wouldn't it be best practice for the sponsor to go through the entire package for each revision that was requested to be uploaded anyway?
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23:09.15learninganyone help before i go postal?
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23:09.42dondelelcaroclick170: the sponsor can just look at the interdiff
23:09.44karmatronicback
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23:10.03pickcoder!tell learning about drxx
23:11.41Usiudondelelcaro, well if its not new I can upload it to mentors.debian.net right ? and post email with link to sponsor
23:11.53dondelelcaroUsiu: right
23:12.00Usiudondelelcaro, I mean it doesnt matter if its new or not
23:14.12learningmy xorg.conf looks like so:
23:14.13learningSection "Screen"
23:14.13learningIdentifier"Default Screen"
23:14.13learningDevice"nVidia Corporation GeForce 7100 GS"
23:14.13learningMonitor"Generic Monitor"
23:14.13learningDefaultDepth24
23:14.14*** kick/#debian [learning!n=debhelpe@unaffiliated/debhelper] by debhelper (use the paster bot or #flood)
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23:14.23learningEndSubSection
23:14.25learningSubSection "Display"
23:14.29learningDepth4
23:14.31learningModes"1280x1024" "800x600" "640x480"
23:14.33learningEndSubSection
23:14.35learningSubSection "Display"
23:14.37learningDepth8
23:14.39learningModes"1280x1024" "800x600" "640x480"
23:14.41learningEndSubSection
23:14.43learningSubSection "Display"
23:14.43click170learning:  Please don't flood the channel.  Use Pastebin.ca or some similar site.
23:14.45learningDepth15
23:14.47learningModes"1280x1024" "800x600" "640x480"
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23:14.49learningEndSubSection
23:14.51learningSubSection "Display"
23:14.51cmihaiDon't paste herem use paste.lisp.org
23:14.53learningDepth16
23:14.55learningModes"1280x1024" "800x600" "640x480"
23:14.59learningEndSubSection
23:15.01learningSubSection "Display"
23:15.03learningDepth24
23:15.04pickcoderlearning: stop flooding
23:15.05learningModes"1280x1024" "800x600" "640x480"
23:15.07learningEndSubSection
23:15.09learningEndSection
23:15.11learningbut it only runs in 800x600
23:15.13learningwtf?
23:15.15learningi tried xrandr- s 1280x1024
23:15.17learningand it says it's not a valid resolution
23:15.19learningor something like that..
23:15.36learninganyone help ?
23:15.48learningor am I just talking to the air
23:15.49click170You just flooded the channel, I'd say your chances of help now are slim to nil.
23:15.54\amethystlearning:  not only did you paste a number of pages, you reconnected and continued pasting when you were kicked
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23:16.15learningi'm just frustrated.
23:16.17thelostbutlerhello folks does any body know a good guide that would configure ldap to use kerberos for authentication on etch ?
23:16.20learningthat I come on FREENODE
23:16.22Vasistha!tell learning about paste
23:16.26learningfor help. and get ignored
23:16.34learningin a chat room with 805 + people
23:16.37rahulSTOP FUCKING SPAMMING US
23:16.53learningrahul u sound liek a guy from UCI
23:16.53Vasisthalearning: did you pay money for a support plan?
23:17.02click170thelostbutler:  Sorry, what are you looking for? LDAP with kerberos?
23:17.28BadHorsielearning: read the topic and paste in an proper place.
23:17.41click170thelostbutler:  I'm workin on a side project with OpenLDAP.  I don't know of any particular guides of use aside from the main ldap debian wiki
23:17.45rahullearning: so you have a history of these kinds of offenses.
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23:18.08learningyes.. i'd read everything but my f -ing resolution is 800x600 on a 19 inch monitor..
23:18.21pickcoderlearning: did you read what dpkg told you?
23:18.33thelostbutlerclick170: i need to from switch from a nis setup to a ldap+kerberos setup for a single sign on. so i am kind of stuck on how to design the solution so was lookign for a guide
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23:18.48learningrahul did you take computer game dev at UCI
23:19.03rahullearning: you clearly didn't read the topic since you flooded the channel, aggressively
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23:20.12Usiudondelelcaro, hmm looks like it do not apear on the uploaded list.. I am not sure if its ok if processing takes so long ?
23:20.16click170thelostbutler:  What were you hoping a guide would help you with?  The setting up of LDAP or the configuration of LDAP and kerberos?  I haven't delved to deeply into the kerberos bit of OpenLDAP yet although I plan to.  I did figure out that if your ever looking for kerberos.schema that hdc.schema (provided by heimdal-kdc) appears to work as an equivilent.
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23:20.47dondelelcaroUsiu: you should get an ack from mentors fairly quickly...
23:21.03thelostbutlerclick170: the configuration of ldap and kerberos
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23:21.24thelostbutlerclick170: i have started to read through the wiki of debian you pointed out to
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23:22.04click170thelostbutler:  To the best of my knowledge is doesn't yet contain any useful kerberos information on setting up something akin to what your thinking, but I could be wrong.  Heres hoping.  Let me know if you find anything good eh?
23:22.16Usiudondelelcaro, oh.. I should use -sa
23:22.23Usiudondelelcaro, thanks
23:23.24douchebagis it necessarily true that when a bad shutdown happens, that debian must fix the hdd before it will load other services like ssh ftp?... i dont have a monitor so i can only assume that my pc is fixing the hdd, since i cannot login via ssh.. .is there anyway to allow ssh to load before this hdd fixing (this hdd is not the main system hdd)
23:23.36dondelelcarodouchebag: no.
23:23.55dondelelcarodouchebag: however, you can have the filesystem fixed automatically with FSCKFIX=yes in /etc/default/rcS, as I previously explained to  you.
23:23.57douchebaghow can i tell my system to do the ext hdd fixing after ssh loaded
23:24.05douchebagdondelelcaro: is that on startup?
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23:24.16douchebagdondelelcaro: how is that different from what is happening right now?
23:24.17click170douchebag:  In my experience, bad shutdowns are never good.  I had a Debian machine once that refused to let root login via ssh at all afterwards, and we never found out why.  And we checked every conf file in that machine, believe me.
23:24.50dondelelcarodouchebag: now your machine is (most likely) waiting for you to manually run fsck on the affected drives.
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23:25.07douchebagdondelelcaro: i dont think so, the hdd lights are constantly on... it must be fscking
23:25.15pirokodouchebag: Or fscked
23:25.18dondelelcarodouchebag: then plug in a monitor and see what it is doing
23:25.21pirokoO_o
23:25.26click170douchebag:  You won't know till you plug a monitor in
23:25.39douchebagtheres a key sequence i remember you can use to bypass fsck
23:25.44thelostbutlerclick170: ok will do. switching gears are you aware of any guide that would help me configure single sign configuration for ssh with kerberos. i have searched the net, most of the refferences i have come across are about a ssh-kerb packges of older stable version of debian. apparently the recent versions have the kerberos  functionality built in , but i can't seem to find the options to specify to ssh what kerberos servers to use. or am i lo
23:25.44thelostbutlerfor the configuration at the wrong place ?
23:25.45douchebagis it ctrl d?
23:25.53dondelelcarodouchebag: no, there isn't.
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23:26.11douchebagdondelelcaro: i clearly remember coming here last time and asking about it, and getting an answer
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23:26.40dondelelcarodouchebag: there isn't a sane way of bypassing fsck. all ^D does is skip running a root shell.
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23:27.01douchebaghmm
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23:27.09dondelelcarobut if you want to argue with someone about it, that person isn't me.
23:27.26douchebagmaybe it was a key sequence to escape something else
23:27.35dondelelcaroand no, there aren't key sequences to escape it.
23:27.46douchebagi think it was something to do with fsck asking for something, and hanging up startup until i answer
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23:28.02Usiudondelelcaro, Hmm I use pdebuild not dpkg-buildpackage.. how to exclude source with pdebuild which doesnt accept -sa option ?
23:28.06dondelelcarodouchebag: yes, it's fsck asking you to run fsck manually.
23:28.12douchebagdondelelcaro: i see
23:28.16dondelelcaroUsiu: use the --debbuildopts option
23:28.22douchebagdondelelcaro: in that case, is that where the ^D would be used
23:28.23pickcoderdouchebag: it asks for root password to do single-user maintenance IIRC
23:28.32nixnewbieI am pretty new to debian(well *nix in general) but I am working with a couple java applications and am running into a problem in locating the directory where java is located. I have java 1.6.0_03 and I looked in /usr/lib but I only see /usr/lib/j2sdk1.5-sun. I tried which java and I get /usr/bin/java. Any ideas as to how I could located the directory that it is in?
23:28.37click170thelostbutler:  Hmm, well at least your aiming for the same goal as me, single signon.  Your going straight for kerberos though, I'm starting off with LDAP, PAM, and going from there.  Seems to me my way is the button up approach, thats why I chose it.  I'm in a situation where I want the authenticating server to be Debian, which is also why I'm using LDAP.  I assume you already have a server you are trying to remotely authenticate to?
23:28.37click170If that is the case, it would seem you are attacking this from a different angle then I am.
23:28.39dondelelcarodouchebag: 15:26:40 <dondelelcaro> douchebag: there isn't a sane way of bypassing fsck. all ^D does is skip running a root shell.
23:28.43pickcoderit doesn't happen that often for me, so it's been a while since I've seen it
23:29.01douchebagdondelelcaro: sorry i didnt understand the relationship between skipping a root shell and skipping running fsck manually
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23:29.13dondelelcaroyou kind of need a root shell to run fsck manually
23:29.17douchebagi see
23:29.50Usiudondelelcaro, thanks
23:29.52learningall that reading Still didn't work. it just added aditional entries to my .conf file and wouldn't work with xrandr -s all the same.
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23:31.01nixnewbiesee I am needing to set my classpath but I can't find the correct directory for java
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23:31.45cmyers__*sigh* I am having no end of trouble trying to run Debian testing in a chroot on a RHEL5 box running a xen kernel.  Apparently this is more difficult to do than advertised.  I'm building a non-xen kernel now to see if that is the only problem.
23:32.02dondelelcarolearning: then use a paste bot to paste your config, your Xorg.0.log, the output of xrandr --verbose; etc.
23:32.15\amethystcmyers__:  you're going to need modules from RHEL5, not the debian ones
23:32.46\amethystcmyers__:  or are you not doing anything that requires loading new modules?
23:32.52cmyers__\amethyst: I was afraid of that.  I'm not really looking to do anything "xen"y, at the moment.
23:33.02cmyers__but eventually I might like to.
23:33.10\amethystcmyers__: at least then you could run a debian kernel :)
23:33.32themillnixnewbie: did you install the jre using the debian packages?
23:33.39cmyers__the problems I am getting now are mostly the "4gb seg fixup" kernel errors due to, as best as I can tell, linking against the glibc6 "without the xen optimizations" whatever that means
23:33.49nixnewbieI used jpackage
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23:33.58learninghaha the error message is telling me to run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg AGAIN
23:34.06cmyers__apt-get install libc6-xen fixed everything that isn't statically linked (mostly)
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23:34.07nixnewbieI figured it out
23:34.16learningbecause somehow it won't edit the .conf file
23:34.45nixnewbiesomehow java6 was installed under /usr/lib/j2sdk1.5-sun
23:34.59thelostbutlerclick170: nope, i don't. i am starting from scratch. since i am a noob on ldap/kerb space. now that i read your comment, i think i have my design wrong. i figured i could atleast get different pieces working independently. and then learn from it and move forward
23:35.04nixnewbieI was looking at the readme in that directory and noticed that it was infact java6
23:35.49douchebagso dondelelcaro is it actually doing fsck, because the hdd lights are on... ive put this extt hdd's /etc/fstab entry with the last two numbers equal to 0 and 0 (i know they have something to do with fscking order, 0 turns it off)
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23:37.00click170thelostbutler:  I remember starting my quest much the same as you lol, I had it all wrong.  What I figured out was that you start with ldap which holds the actual authentication backend, and then kerberos... somehow comes second..... to be honest I havent gotten there yet lol
23:37.07vinvinwhat is the normal arg to pass to init ? i passed 2 but it didn't run the rcS.d scripts :(
23:37.28\amethystvincel:   usually init goes through S then 2
23:37.37\amethysterr
23:37.39\amethystvinvin: ^^^
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23:37.44vinvinbut why wouldn't it do S ?
23:37.44click170thelostbutler:  I'm just getting multiple systems to use the same ldap server right this second
23:37.53\amethystvinvin:  how did you boot?
23:38.20thelostbutlerclick170: aah ok. well if i do figure it out, i will share the info
23:38.22vinvinfrom an initrd in which I mount the root fs and then I do a chroot on it and /sbin/init
23:38.32\amethystvinvin:  ah
23:38.51\amethystvinvin:  because that's how it works... init goes into state S, then once that's finished initializing, goes on to initdefault
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23:39.08douchebaghow longs it take to fsck 500gb :(
23:39.21vinvinok \amethyst but when you pass what arg to it ? S or 2 ? does it reads from inittab ?
23:40.30hatterhow can i change when fsck wants to check disks when power outage, default is somewhere around 37 isnt it ?
23:40.35vinvindouchebag about 2 years ;)
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23:40.43\amethysthatter:  is it ext3?
23:40.48hatter\amethyst, yes
23:40.53\amethystvinvin:  I'm not sure, not too familiar with initrd
23:40.54vinvin37 what ?
23:41.01vinvinok \amethyst :(
23:41.08\amethysthatter:  man tune2fs
23:41.09hatter37 mounts without an fsck
23:41.14vinvinoh that
23:41.16hatter\amethyst, ok thx,
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23:41.38vinvinthink about the 180 days thing too hatter
23:41.51pirokohatter: My life story
23:42.05hattervinvin, ah, it wants to do it 180 days also ?
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23:42.13vinvinyes hatter
23:42.21vinvinby default iirc
23:42.23hatterpiroko, what did you do ?  change with tune2fs ?
23:43.11pirokohatter: Haha. You missed my cheesy joke
23:43.27pirokohatter: "37 mounts without a fsck" ;)
23:43.27hatterdamn, its early and not enough coffee yet :)
23:43.35hatterhaha
23:43.52pirokoIt's not really true though. Hahaha... <ahem>
23:43.59hatterpiroko, i suggest moving onto a living object, inaminate objects dont give as much satisfaction
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23:44.21pirokohatter: Indeed
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23:45.23vinvinif you ps aux | grep init what do you see on a regular debian ?
23:45.35vinvinfor the arg
23:45.54vinvin(I don't have it)
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23:48.50vinvinI asked to anybody on debian eh !
23:49.02nyk2005How can I see if a dist upgrade is neccessary and advisable?
23:49.49vinvinapt-get dist-upgrade will show you what is upgradeable
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23:50.58dondelelcaronyk2005: or just use the curses interface to aptitude;
23:51.03dondelelcarovinvin: the default runlevel is 2.
23:51.16vinvinyes but is 2 the arg ?
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23:51.58orveldvvinvin: root         1  0.0  0.6   1948   636 ?        Ss   Dec16   0:03 init [2]
23:52.04orveldvthat's all here ^^
23:52.05nyk2005dondelelcaro: ok...
23:52.15dondelelcarovinvin: what in particular do you want to know about it?
23:52.15vinvinok thanks orveldv
23:52.28nyk2005dondelelcaro: but how do I know if its advisable, when it runs well?
23:52.31vinvinwhy my init doesnt run rcS.d scripts :)
23:52.34vinvinbrb
23:53.34dondelelcaronyk2005: what distribution are you running?
23:54.12nyk2005dondelelcaro: and how in the curses interface?
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23:54.42dondelelcaronyk2005: it'll show you what packages are to be upgraded immediately before you hit g to actually start the upgrade.
23:54.49\amethystI think so
23:54.50\amethystdoh
23:55.23dondelelcarovinvin: which S scripts is it not running? You'd be hard pressed to have a working system without running the S scripts...
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23:56.30nyk2005dondelelcaro: how do I wee which version? I think sarge... it says mysql is being "held back" at -sarge, but could be updated to -etch
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23:57.39nyk2005dondelelcaro: when doing dist-upgrade I get: The following NEW packages will be installed
23:57.39nyk2005<PROTECTED>
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23:58.25\amethystvinvin:  if you're still running init by hand, try running it without any arguments---that's what the kernel does
23:58.56\amethysterr, never mind, ignore me
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23:59.51sipherI'm having problems with evolution segfaulting....
23:59.51hatterhow many of you use smp kernels with dual core cpus ?  should there be any lag when to OS decides to choose the other core ?
23:59.57sipherI'm using lenny

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