| 00:00.20 | sipher | whenever I try to create an exchange account using evolution 2.10 it sefaults when authenticating the user |
| 00:00.28 | wols_ | hatter: no. which cpu is it? |
| 00:00.30 | sipher | +g |
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| 00:00.54 | hatter | wols_, intel core 2 duo 2.6 |
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| 00:01.26 | hatter | kernel 2.6.18-5-686 #1 SMP |
| 00:01.27 | sipher | the same happens with gnome-app-installer |
| 00:01.27 | wols_ | while there would be a hiccup due to cache misses, you wouldn't notice it. 100ns just aren't that long :) |
| 00:01.33 | dondelelcaro | nyk2005: I'd have to know what you're running and what you're ugprading to. |
| 00:01.38 | sipher | everything else seems to work fine. |
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| 00:01.47 | dondelelcaro | nyk2005: if you're running sarge/etch, it should all work fine. |
| 00:01.52 | nyk2005 | dondelelcaro: Im trying... now :) |
| 00:01.54 | sipher | this is a fresh install |
| 00:02.12 | dondelelcaro | nyk2005: otherwise, you have to check what bugs are filed in the new versions and compare it to what bugs are fixed. |
| 00:02.49 | dondelelcaro | nyk2005: apt-listbugs and apt-listchanges will help you do that, but understanding what that tells you is kind of out of the scope of this channel |
| 00:03.02 | nyk2005 | dondelelcaro: cool, my app still works... |
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| 00:04.30 | sipher | ugh. =/ |
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| 00:04.44 | nyk2005 | dondelelcaro: thanks, perfect |
| 00:04.52 | sipher | I NEED evolution..break something else :P |
| 00:04.54 | sipher | heh |
| 00:05.31 | wols_ | got a very strange problem. suddenly a directory on my XFS partition is gone. simply vanished but the data that was in there is still allocated, nothing was freed. the system didn't reboot since I last was in that directory either |
| 00:06.00 | sipher | solution: never reboot. |
| 00:06.02 | wols_ | so is there a way to get that directory (or rather its data) back? |
| 00:06.05 | bolt | okay, I'm gonna fucking kill Award now. I spend 30 minutes trying to figure out why my computer wont boot. I have it set to boot from "bootable add-in device," as my SATA card is detected as such a device. For some reason it kept on trying to read from the floppy drive, even though it was only set to boot from cd-rom and that device. After 30 minutes of reconnecting harddrives and screwing around with the BIOS, I suddenly see a list of "bootable ad |
| 00:06.06 | bolt | d-in devices". It includes a memory card. That's strange. So then I look around some more and suddenly I see this teeny weeny little memory card with a built-in usb-port stuck inside one of the usb slots. My gf had been transferring pictures. Bloody great. You go boot from a memory card, Award. Bastards. |
| 00:06.06 | wols_ | sipher: I didn't reboot |
| 00:06.27 | hatter | can i run two s/w raid 1 arrays on the same box ? i have 2x250gbs that i want to move into a box that currently has 2x500Gb raid1s |
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| 00:07.12 | bolt | hatter: I see no problem with that |
| 00:07.48 | hatter | bolt, thinking out loud... so the md devices will need to be renamed, |
| 00:07.51 | dondelelcaro | wols_: I'd first immediately mount that partition read only |
| 00:08.26 | wols_ | dondelelcaro: done |
| 00:08.33 | wols_ | any other suggestions what to do? |
| 00:08.50 | hatter | new md's will need to be made, with mdadm, and the superblocks zero'd ? |
| 00:09.14 | dondelelcaro | wols_: and then your next trick will be seeing if you can find someone who knows XFS well enough to directly modify the directory structure to locate the old directory or recreate it |
| 00:09.28 | dondelelcaro | wols_: if you can back up the filesystem first, that'd be optimal |
| 00:10.02 | wols_ | dondelelcaro: I don't have 25 DVD-Rs handy unfortunately |
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| 00:10.26 | dondelelcaro | wols_: heh |
| 00:10.31 | wols_ | since it was my downloads dir I probably/maybe could recreate tthe contents. but still |
| 00:11.12 | hatter | so then i could use the two raid1 arrays as an LVM of 750 ? |
| 00:11.15 | dondelelcaro | wols_: possibly xfsdump and/or fsck.xfs may be useful then? |
| 00:11.33 | wols_ | dondelelcaro: I fear to run fsck on it..... |
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| 00:11.50 | corecode | hey |
| 00:11.53 | wols_ | dondelelcaro: if I do it might decide to give me all that "free space" back |
| 00:11.54 | dondelelcaro | wols_: yeah; maybe run to fry's or your locale's equivalent and get a temporary drive? |
| 00:12.10 | hatter | is it fine to use diff on an nfs share ? |
| 00:12.13 | corecode | is there a way to force installation of a packet when apt claims this: |
| 00:12.17 | corecode | E: Unmet dependencies. Try 'apt-get -f install' with no packages (or specify a solution). |
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| 00:12.27 | corecode | i don't want it to fix up things |
| 00:12.32 | dondelelcaro | corecode: no. You want to fix your dependencies. |
| 00:12.35 | wols_ | it's 1am right now but I might have to soon. didn't plan that expenditure in... |
| 00:12.40 | corecode | dondelelcaro: no, i don't want to |
| 00:12.45 | dondelelcaro | corecode: trust me, you do. |
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| 00:12.52 | sipher | this sucks. =/ its a documented bug somewhere apparently. |
| 00:12.53 | corecode | dondelelcaro: the packages it is complaining about are locally compiled |
| 00:12.56 | sipher | but.... |
| 00:13.02 | sipher | whats the solution? |
| 00:13.08 | sipher | NULL |
| 00:13.16 | dondelelcaro | corecode: so deb-ify your locally compiled copies, or use equivs. |
| 00:13.17 | corecode | dondelelcaro: and they do work (don't ask me why, but they do) |
| 00:13.28 | Asmooh | 6024 asmooh 20 0 83036 23m 7244 R 76.2 2.4 3:16.60 npviewer.bin << wahts that? |
| 00:13.30 | corecode | dondelelcaro: they are debified |
| 00:13.39 | corecode | dondelelcaro: seems some dependency isn't |
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| 00:14.16 | dondelelcaro | corecode: well, then provide the full and complete output of apt-get and the apt-cache policy output for the relevant packages; apt-chache show foopkg; as well if they're local versions. |
| 00:14.48 | Ace2016 | letting the laptop battry go to 0 while running debian won't mess anythin up will it? |
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| 00:15.05 | Tramp | wols_: xfs_db is fairly powerfool - but you know that already, I suppose. If you umount and start with a blockget |
| 00:15.13 | Tramp | powerful that is. |
| 00:15.49 | Ace2016 | oh how do i schedule a disk check for the restart? |
| 00:15.55 | dondelelcaro | Ace2016: man shutdown |
| 00:16.07 | dondelelcaro | (you're looking for the -F option...) |
| 00:17.24 | Ace2016 | how do i send the signal without shutting down? use -k? |
| 00:17.58 | corecode | dondelelcaro: http://rafb.net/p/GqjRfw33.html |
| 00:18.00 | Ace2016 | will that make the change or just send a message to everyone? |
| 00:18.07 | dondelelcaro | Ace2016: that'll just send a message |
| 00:18.25 | Ace2016 | so i have to use -F and actually shutdown |
| 00:19.19 | \amethyst | Ace2016: touch /forcefsck |
| 00:19.20 | dondelelcaro | Ace2016: well, that's the usual way, but if you keep reading the manpage, enlightenment will come |
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| 00:19.36 | dondelelcaro | Ace2016: and you'll understand what \amethyst is telling you |
| 00:19.38 | \amethyst | aww, I spoiled it |
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| 00:20.17 | Ace2016 | the man page for shutdown? |
| 00:20.20 | dondelelcaro | Ace2016: yerp |
| 00:20.26 | vinvin | dondelelcaro \amethyst: all rcS are not executed, and if I launch init with no arg it says there must be one |
| 00:20.51 | dondelelcaro | vinvin: when are you running init? |
| 00:21.19 | Ace2016 | oh i didn't see that bit |
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| 00:21.28 | dutchfish | if i change just 1 seting in make config do i need to make clear before compile, or can i just recompile? |
| 00:21.30 | dondelelcaro | !depends authd |
| 00:21.32 | kom0dor | Hey all |
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| 00:21.46 | dondelelcaro | corecode: so you either need to find a copy of libssl0.9.6 in a backport, or recompile authd and gexec to use libssl0.9.7 |
| 00:21.55 | dondelelcaro | s/backport/stable or oldstable/ |
| 00:21.59 | vinvin | dondelelcaro: when I have mounted the target root fs, and pivot_rooted and chroot |
| 00:22.12 | corecode | dondelelcaro: well, libssl0.9.6 isn't installed, and it works anyways |
| 00:22.27 | corecode | dondelelcaro: so i'd like it to not care about this issue and let me move on :) |
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| 00:23.10 | dondelelcaro | corecode: probably because you've manually installed it, which is a bad idea, as libssl has known vulnerabilities which ahve been fixed. |
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| 00:23.17 | dondelelcaro | vinvin: and you're starting init with S, right? |
| 00:23.31 | vinvin | I tried with 2 dondelelcaro |
| 00:23.32 | corecode | dondelelcaro: no, i'm running libssl0.9.8etch something |
| 00:23.41 | corecode | dondelelcaro: and gexec nevertheless works |
| 00:23.55 | dondelelcaro | vinvin: well, that won't work. |
| 00:24.07 | vinvin | finally I have my answer dondelelcaro thanks :) |
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| 00:24.23 | vinvin | that's what I was asking :) |
| 00:24.34 | dondelelcaro | !real question |
| 00:24.35 | dpkg | Please tell us what the real problem is instead of wasting our time asking questions about things that you think are related to the problem. If you don't, you're just wasting your time and ours. [Far too often what you think is related to the problem actually isn't or won't help you solve your problem at all.] |
| 00:24.37 | vinvin | so the arg is S |
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| 00:24.45 | Asmooh | i have a problem.. msttcorefonts cannot download the fonts.. ? |
| 00:24.50 | dondelelcaro | corecode: what does ldd /usr/bin/gexec; say? (or whatever binary is in that package?) |
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| 00:25.21 | Jrabbit | I can only download CD 1 and install atleast a shell (Gnome too?) |
| 00:25.27 | Jrabbit | (for Lenny) |
| 00:25.33 | dondelelcaro | Jrabbit: yes |
| 00:25.44 | corecode | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:25.46 | corecode | BUT |
| 00:25.51 | corecode | lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 24 2007-09-17 17:56 /usr/lib/libssl.so.0.9.6 -> /usr/lib/libssl.so.0.9.8 |
| 00:25.57 | corecode | retard admin at work |
| 00:26.02 | corecode | i rest my case |
| 00:26.06 | Jrabbit | dondelelcaro, CD 1 has pretty much everything? |
| 00:26.07 | corecode | i won't work on this system |
| 00:26.27 | corecode | dondelelcaro: thanks, this system is fucked by clueless admins it seems |
| 00:26.54 | Asmooh | oh |
| 00:27.08 | Asmooh | en when i do ./file.exe my X crashes |
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| 00:28.06 | dondelelcaro | corecode: yeah, it wouldn't surprise me if you've been having random segfaults in gexec and authd |
| 00:28.15 | dondelelcaro | (if you even use those two programs) |
| 00:28.20 | corecode | dondelelcaro: yes, people report so |
| 00:28.37 | corecode | well, not my administration domain :) |
| 00:28.46 | corecode | i just wanted to use cvs |
| 00:29.08 | dondelelcaro | corecode: well, you *can* sidestep the dependencies, but you really should just fix them. |
| 00:29.19 | corecode | dondelelcaro: how could you sidestep them? |
| 00:29.26 | corecode | dondelelcaro: like the admin did? :) |
| 00:29.47 | dutchfish | if i change just 1 setting in make config do i need to make clear before compile, or can i just recompile ( fakeroot make-kpkg --initrd --revision=custom.1.0 kernel_image ) ? |
| 00:30.01 | dondelelcaro | corecode: no point in bothering. Fix the actual problem. Get libssl0.9.6 from http://packages.debian.org/sarge/libssl0.9.6; dpkg -i it, and move on. |
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| 00:30.24 | dondelelcaro | corecode: then figure out which cluebie doesn't understand sonames, and educate with clue-by-four |
| 00:30.27 | sugapisset | I have a problem with recording sounds...I have my guitar connected atm...back in windows I could just plug it in and record...I can hear the guitar in the speakers, but I can't record... |
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| 00:30.47 | Chicken | HEY GUYS MY UBUNTU WONT START |
| 00:30.51 | corecode | dondelelcaro: well, i don't bother, i switched machines :) the correct fix would of course be to recompile gexec |
| 00:30.59 | corecode | Chicken: OMG SRSLY? |
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| 00:31.02 | dondelelcaro | corecode: or install libssl0.9.6, actually. |
| 00:31.08 | dondelelcaro | Chicken: you want to talk to #ubuntu, not us. |
| 00:31.22 | Chicken | HALO WONT START ON UBUNTU |
| 00:31.26 | Chicken | CAPSLOCK YAY |
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| 00:31.42 | corecode | boooring :) |
| 00:31.50 | corecode | you don't play with trolls? |
| 00:31.56 | sugapisset | Anyone in here know anything about my problem? |
| 00:32.06 | corecode | dondelelcaro: nevertheless, thanks |
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| 00:32.22 | Cartooncat | Hello alls |
| 00:32.39 | dondelelcaro | sugapisset: most likely you haven't selected the mic (or audio) in as the recording source. |
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| 00:33.23 | sugapisset | dondelelcaro: Oh, yes I have :) |
| 00:33.35 | dondelelcaro | sugapisset: and the levels for that input are up? |
| 00:33.41 | dondelelcaro | sugapisset: what are you using to try to record? |
| 00:33.41 | sugapisset | Was up all night yesterday trying to solve this problem... |
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| 00:33.49 | sugapisset | yes, the levels are up |
| 00:33.54 | Cartooncat | Anyone know much about enabling svideo/composite output with nvida-legacy on debian with kernel 2.6.18.? |
| 00:34.04 | sugapisset | A guitar, but it's the same with a microphone...sound in speakers, but can't record. |
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| 00:34.55 | dondelelcaro | sugapisset: give us the output of amixer scontents |
| 00:35.23 | sugapisset | dondelelcaro: How to copy them here? |
| 00:35.33 | vinvin | why would mount -nt procfs procfs /proc fail with no such device if procfs is builtin in the kernel ? |
| 00:36.02 | LoneTech | vinvin: because the filesystem is called proc? |
| 00:36.17 | vinvin | oops :D |
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| 00:36.27 | dondelelcaro | sugapisset: use a paste site |
| 00:36.40 | douchebag | what does two short beeps mean on startup... i dont have a monitor so i cant tell whats going on |
| 00:36.43 | sugapisset | okok. |
| 00:36.47 | douchebag | is it the bios complaining about something |
| 00:36.49 | dondelelcaro | cd /; mount -t proc proc proc |
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| 00:36.58 | dondelelcaro | douchebag: generally, yes. Plug in a monitor and find out. |
| 00:37.12 | douchebag | grr... no access to a monitor here |
| 00:37.16 | abrotman | douchebag: depends on the board .. i have systems where two is normal .. and others where two is not good at all |
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| 00:37.32 | dutchfish | douchebag, ps2 keyboard? |
| 00:37.34 | dondelelcaro | douchebag: you've got computers but no monitors? |
| 00:37.43 | sugapisset | dondelelcaro: Here you go! http://pastebin.org/11960 |
| 00:37.44 | douchebag | dondelelcaro: this is a laptop |
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| 00:37.50 | dondelelcaro | douchebag: so? |
| 00:37.52 | douchebag | dondelelcaro: the computer with issues has no monitor |
| 00:38.05 | dondelelcaro | monitors can be had for nothing at any recycling center... |
| 00:38.16 | dondelelcaro | you should always have at least one |
| 00:38.57 | douchebag | yeah.. |
| 00:39.03 | Orion_X11 | My cpu is an atlon, but i will install a kernel 686 which is for pentium. Do you think that it would be a problem? |
| 00:39.15 | dondelelcaro | Orion_X11: if it boots, it's ok. |
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| 00:40.01 | dondelelcaro | sugapisset: and what do you have your guitar plugged into? the line in after your amp, right? |
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| 00:40.32 | macros73 | Is there an easy way to launch a Debian install from within a currently installed Linux system? |
| 00:40.39 | abrotman | !debootstrap |
| 00:40.40 | dpkg | hmm... debootstrap is <caphuso> get the debootstrap source from http://packages.debian.org/debootstrap, compile it, read the man page, install debian with it </caphuso> Useful for installing in a chroot. http://people.debian.org/~walters/chroot.html, or see http://wiki.debian.org/Debootstrap, or key to Installing Debian GNU/Linux from a Unix/Linux System. See to the release specific Debian GNU/Linux Installation Guide for more details. |
| 00:40.40 | Claudio32m | can the 32bit version of debian etch make use of 8GB ram if a system had it installed? or would you need 64bit version of debian |
| 00:40.55 | sugapisset | dondelelcaro: No, the guitar cable goes from telecable to 3,5mm adapter and then into the soundcard. |
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| 00:41.24 | sugapisset | it worked in windows back when I used it. |
| 00:41.30 | dondelelcaro | sugapisset: uh... you realize, right, that a guitar isn't a line level signal? |
| 00:41.45 | dondelelcaro | sugapisset: and which input are you running into? the mic? or the line input? |
| 00:41.54 | LoneTech | Claudio32m: it can if the kernel supports that much ram on your particular motherboard |
| 00:42.07 | sugapisset | the mic. |
| 00:42.12 | LoneTech | though each process uses at most about 3GB |
| 00:42.17 | sugapisset | as I said, it worked in windows. |
| 00:42.23 | Claudio32m | lone - if i have a server that supports 8gb |
| 00:42.24 | dondelelcaro | sugapisset: well, that'll kind of work, but is suboptimal. |
| 00:42.38 | Claudio32m | will the default 32 bit version of etch make use of all the ram? |
| 00:42.39 | Orion_X11 | dondelelcaro: The thing is my kernel vserver which is for atlon in boot time is giving me a message > "kernel panic not syncing cpu ..." and then it hangs and I have to reboot 3 times or more to get gdm ready. I am bothered with this. So I will try another kernel. |
| 00:42.53 | sugapisset | no worries, I don't really care about sound quality, just want to be able to record stuff that comes to mind. |
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| 00:43.07 | dondelelcaro | sugapisset: anyway, what you need to do is run alsamixer, hit tab to go to the capture bit, then hit space to activate the mic capture. |
| 00:43.23 | abrotman | and bring the level way up :) |
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| 00:43.49 | dondelelcaro | sugapisset: once you've done that, amixer scontents; will show under Simple mixer control 'Mic',0 something like Front Left: Capture [on] Front Right: Capture [on] |
| 00:43.58 | sugapisset | dondelelcaro: What capture bit? |
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| 00:44.14 | LoneTech | Claudio32m: afaict default one will not. you'll need either a 64-bit kernel or one with appropriate HIGHMEM setting. |
| 00:44.26 | LoneTech | which depends on your system board |
| 00:44.27 | dondelelcaro | sugapisset: alsamixer has two displays. Playback and Capture (and a third, the combination of the previous two) |
| 00:44.35 | dondelelcaro | sugapisset: man alsamixer; if you're totally lost. |
| 00:44.40 | sugapisset | dondelelcaro: aha |
| 00:44.44 | Claudio32m | lonetech - so might as well install 64bit ia version of debian |
| 00:44.47 | sugapisset | how to show the capture mode? |
| 00:44.48 | Claudio32m | it will support it natively |
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| 00:45.02 | Claudio32m | then will all the apt-get installs be 64bit? |
| 00:45.03 | dondelelcaro | sugapisset: tab... reread what I said to you previously. |
| 00:45.07 | LoneTech | erm.. if your machine is ia64 you really shouldn't run ia32. |
| 00:45.20 | sugapisset | yeah, checking man alsamixer, big thanks. |
| 00:45.22 | dondelelcaro | !ia64 |
| 00:45.22 | dpkg | it has been said that ia64 is (Intel Architecture-64), a 64-bit processor architecture developed in cooperation by Intel and Hewlett-Packard, implemented by processors such as Itanium and Itanium 2. The goal of Itanium was to produce a "post-RISC era" arch using EPIC. see http://www.debian.org/ports/ia64/ -- if your CPU is opteron/athlon64/turion/sempron/xeon/em64t/pentium/core2duo/core*, then it is NOT ia64 |
| 00:45.23 | LoneTech | but I can't tell from your description what it is |
| 00:45.33 | Claudio32m | i dont have one yet |
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| 00:45.46 | dondelelcaro | Unless you paid a crapload for your machine, you don't have IA64. |
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| 00:46.08 | Claudio32m | isnt core 2 duo cpu IA64? |
| 00:46.11 | dondelelcaro | no. |
| 00:46.11 | abrotman | no |
| 00:46.12 | ttick | how do I get my laptop harddrive to have a longer timeout before it parks? (it's doing it ever 2 minutes, then waking again when I type) |
| 00:46.18 | sugapisset | dondelelcaro: Mic capture is turned way up. |
| 00:46.21 | LoneTech | no, that is amd64 (though intel calls it em64t) |
| 00:46.34 | dondelelcaro | sugapisset: and did you hit space when you had the mic input selected? |
| 00:47.06 | sugapisset | yeah. it says l R captur now, So I'll try. |
| 00:47.07 | douchebag | how do i make debian to extremely verbose logging... i had some system crashes, and i rebooted, and hdd light was constantly on, and startup was hung on that step for some reason... i shut it down, but i have no logs to see what happened... i need more verbose logs! |
| 00:47.08 | sugapisset | brb |
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| 00:47.42 | dondelelcaro | douchebag: until the drives have been fscked and remounted rw, you won't have logs at all. Again, plug in a monitor to see what is happening. |
| 00:48.07 | vinvin | dondelelcaro: I tried init S, it doesnt run any script |
| 00:48.11 | douchebag | i cant find a monitor in the next month, i dont have a way of getting one |
| 00:48.17 | Claudio32m | so if i get a motherboard that supports 8gb ram debian will still see and use it with 64bit version of the kernel but its not a true IA64 is that correct? |
| 00:48.23 | dondelelcaro | douchebag: where do you live? |
| 00:48.41 | sugapisset | dondelelcaro: Still won't work. |
| 00:49.14 | LoneTech | Claudio32m: you must realize that IA64 is not the only 64-bit architecture Intel make |
| 00:49.18 | dondelelcaro | unless you're at McMurdo station, there are almost assuredly hundreds of monitors within 10 mile radius of you, one of which you can purchase, borrow, or steal. |
| 00:49.32 | Claudio32m | oh ok |
| 00:50.04 | LoneTech | Claudio32m: if you get an ordinary PC-compatible 64-bit system, it will be amd64 architecture, and using a 64-bit kernel will support whatever RAM the motherboard does. |
| 00:50.48 | abrotman | dondelelcaro: that's where my brother is :) |
| 00:50.56 | LoneTech | using 64-bit userspace as well helps some programs, but not all. Some just aren't available in 64-bit. You can however mix userspace. |
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| 00:51.10 | Claudio32m | thanks |
| 00:51.18 | sugapisset | dondelelcaro: When I try selecting "audigy 4 mic capture" in audacity, it says "error while opening sound device" |
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| 00:52.32 | Claudio32m | will it make a difference if the cpu is a Core 2 duo rather than a quad core for a linux system? is the extra cost worth it? if i could get by with a core 2 duo rather than a quad it would be nice |
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| 00:53.08 | LoneTech | I wouldn't consider the extra cost worth it. The quad is just two core2duo fitted in one casing, and they'll compete for the bus. |
| 00:53.08 | Claudio32m | for a server obviously |
| 00:53.16 | Claudio32m | ok thanks |
| 00:53.39 | vinvin | oh init says timeout opening/writing control channel /dev/inittab |
| 00:53.46 | LoneTech | it's usable if you're truly CPU bound, but if you need that much RAM that's not clear |
| 00:53.53 | Claudio32m | right |
| 00:54.03 | Claudio32m | the exact usuage is nto known yet |
| 00:54.07 | sugapisset | When i have "All" mode selected in Alsamixer, I can see "AMic", but I can't make it capture...why? |
| 00:54.12 | Claudio32m | other than web/ftp services |
| 00:54.13 | Claudio32m | for sure |
| 00:54.57 | vinvin | oops /dev/initctl no /dev/inittab |
| 00:55.13 | LoneTech | if you need silly amounts of CPU per system, there's a 3x2 Hammer board iirc |
| 00:56.00 | dondelelcaro | there are 4x4 boards, actually. |
| 00:56.03 | LoneTech | but it's likely you should consider what part needs the expense. A *real* RAID board works wonders, for instance. |
| 00:56.20 | dondelelcaro | (and even larger machines if you need them) |
| 00:56.28 | LoneTech | yeah, but they do hit scaling problems |
| 00:56.31 | dondelelcaro | ISTR SGI makes a 27-way workstation |
| 00:56.48 | LoneTech | the neat thing with the 3x2 setup is the direct hypertransport between each chip |
| 00:57.04 | dondelelcaro | it depends on the application and the precise architecture of the system |
| 00:57.13 | LoneTech | absolutely. |
| 00:59.51 | douchebag | what permissions does this 'adm' group have by default? |
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| 01:00.13 | sugapisset | dondelelcaro: You gave up on me? :( |
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| 01:01.10 | douchebag | what does the adm group do? |
| 01:01.18 | douchebag | (able to do) |
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| 01:05.07 | proprietarysucks | where can I find a list of the options available in a preseed file? |
| 01:05.32 | proprietarysucks | I want to add debian and ubuntu to my kickstart server |
| 01:05.45 | proprietarysucks | ubuntu's kickseed is useless |
| 01:06.00 | douchebag | how do i enable some verbose bootup logging? |
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| 01:06.13 | douchebag | i had two crashes and no info whatsoever |
| 01:06.22 | abrotman | oh this is bad |
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| 01:06.47 | beev | pd |
| 01:06.52 | beev | hello every one |
| 01:07.00 | beev | any one know anything about dns? |
| 01:07.04 | beev | i have a newbie question |
| 01:07.36 | beev | any one know any good rooms on this server to learn about DNS? |
| 01:08.05 | abrotman | #dns |
| 01:08.12 | beev | thank you |
| 01:08.14 | beev | exit |
| 01:08.37 | abrotman | let's see .. how can you untar a file when tar dies ? |
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| 01:12.57 | Tramp | abrotman: if all else fails - the format is rather simple (header-file-header-file...) with a bit of padding. Should be doable with dd. |
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| 01:13.24 | abrotman | Tramp: i'm not sure this is somehting i should really be chancing :) |
| 01:14.53 | postg | how to view a package info? |
| 01:15.00 | postg | dpkg -info ...? |
| 01:15.19 | postg | a package doesn't exsit on your system |
| 01:15.24 | abrotman | apt-cache show |
| 01:15.33 | postg | thank u |
| 01:15.38 | h3sp4wn | abrotman: try star ? |
| 01:15.44 | abrotman | h3sp4wn: i can't install anything |
| 01:16.05 | h3sp4wn | abrotman: Not even to /tmp ? |
| 01:16.07 | abrotman | actually .. let me rephrase .. i'm lucky if i can start any new apps :) |
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| 01:16.22 | abrotman | h3sp4wn: oh .. the system is running .. but i don't think it will shut down well |
| 01:17.03 | karmatronic | ls |
| 01:17.36 | Decepticon | ive had two system crashes and no info whatsoever available in /var/log/* and dmesg ... how do i enable verbose bootup logging so that I can see what happened next time? |
| 01:17.37 | h3sp4wn | abrotman: Any idea why it dies ? (star works if you have a tar file made on Solaris that gnu tar doesn't like)~ |
| 01:17.53 | abrotman | h3sp4wn: yeah .. i have a good idea why it dies |
| 01:18.09 | abrotman | # ls |
| 01:18.09 | abrotman | ls: error while loading shared libraries: libpthread.so.0: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory |
| 01:18.25 | postg | how to see if a package is already install? |
| 01:18.31 | abrotman | my filesystem errored last night .. i was trying to reinstall libc6 .. and then that happened |
| 01:18.35 | postg | dpkg -i ? |
| 01:18.36 | abrotman | postg: dpkg -l <pkg> |
| 01:18.40 | abrotman | !tell postg about refcard |
| 01:18.41 | postg | ok |
| 01:18.47 | karmatronic | Decepticon: /etc/syslog.conf |
| 01:19.12 | postg | refcard? |
| 01:19.12 | abrotman | h3sp4wn: and the crap thing is .. i'm not sure i have a liveCD laying around to even boot off to attempt a rescue :) |
| 01:19.22 | h3sp4wn | abrotman: busybox-static |
| 01:19.33 | h3sp4wn | abrotman: (it has tar and dpkg as part of it) |
| 01:19.35 | abrotman | h3sp4wn: and there's no way the system will start a burning app (even cdrecord) |
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| 01:20.04 | h3sp4wn | abrotman: Is it a remote system ? |
| 01:20.23 | abrotman | h3sp4wn: nope .. the laptop i'm using to IRC currently :) |
| 01:20.34 | Decepticon | karmatronic there doesnt seem to be anything about verboseness in man syslog.conf |
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| 01:20.41 | junmin | Hello, all. how can i view configured opciones of a certain package of apt? thanks |
| 01:20.51 | abrotman | !h3sp4wn++ |
| 01:20.57 | abrotman | junmin: options? |
| 01:21.07 | Decepticon | spanish for options = opciones |
| 01:21.13 | junmin | abrotman: well. parameters :D |
| 01:21.23 | abrotman | junmin: the compilation rules? |
| 01:21.38 | abrotman | h3sp4wn: totally forgot about busybox .. thanks |
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| 01:22.03 | junmin | abrotman: yes.. with what paramiters compilated. |
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| 01:22.44 | karmatronic | !bootlog |
| 01:22.44 | dpkg | rumour has it, bootlogd is disabled by default. Change /etc/default/bootlogd to "Yes" to get your /var/log/boot file. For the reason behind the default, see http://bugs.debian.org/213028 (fixed since sysvinit 2.86.ds1-11). Not a command (as opposed to dmesg) |
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| 01:23.16 | abrotman | junmin: you get the source package and look at the rules file in the 'debian' directory |
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| 01:24.20 | postg | abrotman: good srouce thank u |
| 01:24.31 | postg | source |
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| 01:25.30 | np_complete | hi |
| 01:27.20 | np_complete | hi all |
| 01:27.24 | abrotman | hi |
| 01:27.26 | np_complete | in fact debian rulez |
| 01:28.16 | abrotman | ok |
| 01:30.08 | junmin | abrotman: i cannot find the "debian" directory, for example, i download the source from http://packages.qa.debian.org/p/pure-ftpd.html |
| 01:30.44 | junmin | but i can not find the "debian" direcoty neither the rule file |
| 01:31.14 | abrotman | junmin: go to a temp directory .. apt-get source pure-ftpd |
| 01:31.18 | abrotman | it will download the source |
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| 01:32.03 | np_complete | can i use SSH2 for tunnel any protocol? irc for example? |
| 01:32.03 | junmin | abrotman: let me try |
| 01:32.19 | karmatronic | np_complete: yes |
| 01:32.56 | np_complete | mmm really fine. |
| 01:33.24 | Tramp | np_complete: as long as it runs over tcp |
| 01:33.34 | karmatronic | ssh -L 6667:irc.undernet.org:6667 login@your_server |
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| 01:35.08 | diafic | night night everyone |
| 01:35.20 | np_complete | i'll try it another day. But it seams great. |
| 01:35.48 | piroko | Any recommendations on a low-memory browser that doesn't suck and isn't firefox or opera? I'm running out of options here... |
| 01:35.58 | h3sp4wn | piroko: links2 ? |
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| 01:36.27 | piroko | h3sp4wn: Heh. I at least need javascript for AJAX :-/ |
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| 01:36.43 | Steven_M | hi all |
| 01:36.49 | \amethyst | piroko: that kind of kills low-memory :) |
| 01:36.55 | \amethyst | piroko: but maybe epiphany |
| 01:37.01 | h3sp4wn | piroko: http://www.dillo.org/dillo2/fltk-2.0.x-r5941.tar.bz2 (you could try that if you can get it to compile) |
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| 01:37.49 | h3sp4wn | piroko: If you can find the other part :/ |
| 01:37.51 | piroko | h3sp4wn: Tried it already. It's in debian's repositories. I can't login to gmail with it though :P |
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| 01:39.03 | h3sp4wn | piroko: dillo2 ? not dillo ? |
| 01:39.10 | np_complete | does anybody have debian in his PS3? |
| 01:39.19 | abrotman | google? |
| 01:39.41 | h3sp4wn | piroko: looks like you would have to get it from cvs - http://www.dillo.org/cvs.html |
| 01:39.57 | piroko | Heh. Epiphany doesn't appear to be destroying too much memory... I'll try the "new" dillo though |
| 01:40.07 | Steven_M | hi all |
| 01:40.09 | vinvin | what makes init switch from S to 2 ? |
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| 01:41.01 | Steven_M | are there vsftp users here? |
| 01:42.04 | abrotman | piroko: skipstone ? |
| 01:42.20 | Decepticon | is it possible for samba and constant read/write to hdd to cause debian to crash? |
| 01:42.29 | Decepticon | constant read/write over samba |
| 01:42.40 | abrotman | do you have any errors from logs? |
| 01:42.49 | Decepticon | abrotman no, unfortunately |
| 01:42.55 | Decepticon | it just goes and goes like the wind |
| 01:42.56 | Decepticon | when it does |
| 01:43.02 | Decepticon | its happened to me 3 times alreadyh |
| 01:43.14 | Decepticon | its why i was asking about verbose logging |
| 01:43.19 | Decepticon | earlier |
| 01:43.46 | DustyBin | Decepticon: might be hardware problems |
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| 01:44.05 | jdrake | Is the proper name for debian, simply Debian? (when referring to it as an operating system) |
| 01:44.11 | maddash | gtk+ == gtk2? |
| 01:44.11 | piroko | abrotman: That's a new one |
| 01:44.19 | DustyBin | jdrake: its debra & ian :P |
| 01:44.30 | Decepticon | the constant read/write is happening over samba to a nonroot partition, theyrre hdds not related to the root partition, external hdds and extra IDE ATA100 hdds |
| 01:44.37 | abrotman | piroko: it's old .. not even sure it's still developed |
| 01:44.55 | piroko | Ah |
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| 01:45.56 | coondogster | I have bad problems with gnome-panel |
| 01:46.08 | coondogster | both panels are frozen |
| 01:46.19 | DustyBin | coondogster: do you forward a ssh x session to use gnome panel? |
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| 01:46.23 | coondogster | clicks don't work |
| 01:46.42 | coondogster | not sure, how can I check? |
| 01:46.48 | DustyBin | you probably dont then |
| 01:47.26 | junmin | abrotman: no, there are not the file you say :( |
| 01:47.33 | abrotman | junmin: yes there is |
| 01:47.58 | abrotman | junmin: there's a directory called pure-ftpd_<something> .. go into it and then "cd debian" .. look for the rules file |
| 01:48.16 | coondogster | I am on lenny/sid |
| 01:48.34 | jaggz- | what can I do to make my imap connections/server faster? |
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| 01:48.53 | DustyBin | jaggz-: edit the config? |
| 01:48.59 | jaggz- | this server is dishing out a ton of web (image) hits, but even a save to my imap drafts folder goes sooo sloowwww |
| 01:49.17 | abrotman | tried checking your logs for errors? |
| 01:49.23 | abrotman | jaggz-: is it maildir or mbox? |
| 01:49.55 | DustyBin | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:49.58 | jaggz- | I forgot the difference.. drafts would be in my user's homedir, while inboxes are in a spool dir |
| 01:50.13 | abrotman | jaggz-: it's important here :) |
| 01:50.25 | jaggz- | that's my setup right there |
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| 01:51.13 | jaggz- | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:51.13 | abrotman | mbox is slow for imap depending on the nubmer of messages |
| 01:51.13 | DustyBin | jaggz-: is /var on a separate partition? |
| 01:51.24 | coondogster | maybe sid has some broken gnome-panel |
| 01:51.36 | jaggz- | no, not on sep |
| 01:51.48 | abrotman | coondogster: bugs.debian.org/gnome-panel |
| 01:51.49 | DustyBin | coondogster: you might have one of those linux viruses what are floating about at the moment |
| 01:51.55 | abrotman | DustyBin: that's not funny |
| 01:52.01 | DustyBin | :O |
| 01:52.26 | junmin | abrotman: sorry. got an error before. but now i see it. thank you !! |
| 01:52.32 | jaggz- | drafts is 1.8mb .. |
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| 01:53.29 | abrotman | that's not very big |
| 01:54.06 | jaggz- | I just noticed the server itself is bogged down too right now |
| 01:54.16 | jaggz- | 5.x load |
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| 02:00.27 | DustyBin | I have a backup hard drive what is accessable on my LAN, i use rsync to backup desktop + servers onto it. If that HD went down I would be in trouble, so im thinking about buying a external 1TB USB HD to backup the backup drive. I want it to be USB so i can backup and disconnect and not worry about if my system suffers a PSU fault what kills everything inside the box, is that a good or bad idea? |
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| 02:01.56 | DustyBin | are USB HDs a lot slower than IDE drivers? |
| 02:02.06 | erpo | DustyBin: Congratulations on backing up regularly. Most people don't even get that far. |
| 02:02.18 | DustyBin | aye |
| 02:02.27 | erpo | DustyBin: The next thing you need to do if you need more data security than you can get with a backup hard drive is to start making off-site backups. |
| 02:02.37 | Wyzard | DustyBin: Weigh the cost (money spent on the drive, time/inconvenience doing the manual backups) against the benefit (a bit of extra protection, but less so than the main backup) and decide for yourself |
| 02:02.54 | DustyBin | manual backups using DVDs is NOT FOR THE WIN |
| 02:03.05 | DustyBin | HDs are pretty cheap these days |
| 02:03.06 | Wyzard | DustyBin: USB is a bottleneck... use eSATA (preferable) or 1394 |
| 02:03.29 | DustyBin | Wyzard: that means the hard drive will have to be active and on inside a box |
| 02:03.30 | erpo | Wyzard: You could try an online storage service like Amazon S3. |
| 02:03.36 | erpo | Err...that was for DustyBin. |
| 02:03.50 | DustyBin | erpo: its only for a few servers |
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| 02:03.59 | Wyzard | DustyBin: eSATA is external SATA |
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| 02:04.05 | DustyBin | right ok |
| 02:04.09 | pedro_mg | i agree with the AWS S3. Evaluate the cost/benefit |
| 02:04.12 | Wyzard | DustyBin: You can get eSATA drive enclosures, just like you can get them with USB and 1394 |
| 02:04.32 | DustyBin | Wyzard: would i need a special pci card with eSATA sockets |
| 02:04.37 | pedro_mg | my Asus motherboard has an external Sata connection |
| 02:04.51 | DustyBin | that sounds good |
| 02:05.00 | Wyzard | DustyBin: not really a PCI card, just a plate that puts an eSATA plug on the back of the computer and connects to a regular SATA port on the motherboard internally |
| 02:05.07 | pedro_mg | but try to check Amazon S3 |
| 02:05.14 | Wyzard | DustyBin: and yes, newer boards often have eSATA built-in |
| 02:05.28 | erpo | DustyBin: There is a potential problem with eSATA. |
| 02:05.48 | DustyBin | ? |
| 02:06.01 | erpo | DustyBin: The connectors themselves are hot-pluggable (you won't damage them by hot-plugging), but the system may not recognize a hotplugged eSATA drive. |
| 02:06.14 | Wyzard | That's true of any SATA, not just eSATA |
| 02:06.21 | DustyBin | right ok |
| 02:06.23 | Wyzard | You want to have a good SATA controller, of course |
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| 02:06.26 | DustyBin | so a reboot is in order? |
| 02:06.53 | Wyzard | I've hotplugged eSATA on both an Intel ICH8 (AHCI mode) and Silicon Image 3112 with recent kernels |
| 02:06.58 | erpo | Wyzard: In theory, eSATA/SATA can support hot plugging under the right conditions, but consumer hardware generally doesn't provide the right conditions. |
| 02:07.10 | erpo | DustyBin: Probably. |
| 02:07.11 | Wyzard | erpo: works for me |
| 02:07.11 | erpo | Wyzard: Cool. |
| 02:07.17 | DustyBin | i have a old original Asus A7N8X-E what houses a XP3000+ Barton |
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| 02:07.35 | erpo | Wyzard: Well, it didn't work for me, so HMMV. |
| 02:07.49 | Wyzard | DustyBin: The 3112 controller that I mentioned a moment ago is on an A7N8X |
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| 02:08.06 | DustyBin | aye :D |
| 02:08.11 | Wyzard | DustyBin: I've successfully hotplugged an eSATA drive on that, using a recent kernel (whatever's in the latest Ubuntu, dunno offhand) |
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| 02:08.38 | DustyBin | excellent, i have 1 spare eSata slot |
| 02:08.41 | DustyBin | sata |
| 02:08.44 | erpo | Wyzard: You know, I bought a SI3112 on the advice of someone in this channel and it worked terribly with Linux. |
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| 02:09.06 | coondogster | I filed a bug report on gnome |
| 02:09.27 | erpo | Wyzard: Apparently it has known problems with Seagate hard drives and probably others because it generates odd-sized SATA packets. |
| 02:09.39 | Wyzard | erpo: yeah, I'd much rather have AHCI, but all the good SATA controllers seem to be PCIe-only |
| 02:10.05 | Wyzard | erpo: but FWIW, the drive I've successfully hotplugged on my 3112 is a Seagate one (250GB 7200.10) |
| 02:10.06 | erpo | Wyzard: You know, USB2.0 isn't so bad. |
| 02:10.20 | erpo | Err, that was again for DustyBin. |
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| 02:10.49 | erpo | Wyzard: Well, I emailed one of the guys who worked on the SI3112 and he said it had unfixable bugs. |
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| 02:11.19 | k-man__ | for some reason, networking doesn't start automaticaly when i reboot my debian system |
| 02:11.19 | Wyzard | Who knows, they might've been fixed anyway |
| 02:11.33 | Wyzard | Hotplug *used* to not work with that drive and controller, but more recently, it seems to be fine |
| 02:11.38 | erpo | Wyzard: They have not. |
| 02:11.43 | erpo | http://marc.info/?l=linux-kernel&m=108793683025643&w=2 |
| 02:11.51 | erpo | Everyone who needs a SATA controller should read that. |
| 02:11.52 | DustyBin | k-man__: edit your /etc/network/interfaces make sure everything is setup properly |
| 02:12.04 | coondogster | Any way I can get gnome panel version without using About? |
| 02:12.34 | erpo | coondogster: gnome-panel --version ? |
| 02:12.43 | k-man__ | DustyBin, should there be "auto eth0" to start eth0 automaticaly? |
| 02:12.44 | pedro_mg | yes, |
| 02:13.10 | tix64 | coondogster: dpkg -l gnome-panel |
| 02:13.34 | coondogster | thanks |
| 02:14.05 | DustyBin | k-man__: heres my interfaces file: http://paste.linux-noob.com/index.php?query=2436 |
| 02:14.12 | k-man__ | thanks |
| 02:14.28 | DustyBin | change the xxxxx to point to your dns server |
| 02:14.46 | DustyBin | and make sure /etc/hosts is setup properly |
| 02:14.48 | k-man__ | DustyBin, you don't have an auto option for eth0 |
| 02:14.53 | k-man__ | ? |
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| 02:14.56 | Wyzard | erpo: That's from 2.5 years ago though, and it mentions that a better fix may be possible |
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| 02:15.05 | Wyzard | erpo: Maybe the better fix has been implemented in the past 2.5 years |
| 02:15.12 | DustyBin | allow-hotplug eth0 <-- this turns it on i think.. |
| 02:15.19 | k-man__ | oh |
| 02:15.20 | k-man__ | i see |
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| 02:16.08 | DustyBin | k-man__: you can turn your interface with: ifup eth0 |
| 02:16.09 | erpo | Wyzard: I emailed the guy less than a month ago. The problem still exists and there is no fix. |
| 02:16.12 | DustyBin | on |
| 02:16.28 | k-man__ | DustyBin, yeah, i know - just trying to make sure it auto starts in future |
| 02:16.53 | DustyBin | ok |
| 02:17.18 | k-man__ | on another topic, whats the command in debian for managing which programs are started at boot time? |
| 02:17.35 | Wyzard | erpo: Well, I've hotplugged my Seagate drive to my 3112 several times in the past few months and I've seen no problems, and I've also booted and extensively used Windows from that drive on that controller |
| 02:17.35 | k-man__ | init-cfg or somethng? |
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| 02:17.48 | DustyBin | k-man__: you mean init.d ? |
| 02:17.57 | k-man__ | update-rd.d? |
| 02:17.59 | bucky | k-man__, update-rc.d |
| 02:18.01 | DustyBin | erm i used to know what that was but have forgotton.. |
| 02:18.08 | hatter | anyone know what this means ? hda: status error: status=0x58 |
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| 02:18.25 | DustyBin | hatter: GIYF |
| 02:18.31 | HellDragon | hey, i just partitioned my main partition with debian on it using a gparted livecd, then when I booted back to debian it still saw it with the old size(24gb, and I grew it to 70gb using the gparted livecd). anyone knows how to make debian detect the right size ? |
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| 02:19.10 | hatter | DustyBin, what is GIYF ? |
| 02:19.12 | S2AnGeL | any one recomend any good clustered web hosts? |
| 02:19.21 | DustyBin | hatter: google is your friend |
| 02:19.31 | DustyBin | HellDragon: maybe you didnt do it properly |
| 02:19.36 | erpo | Wyzard: Windows, AFAIK, does not contain the fix that slows things down but prevents crashes and data corruption. |
| 02:19.38 | HellDragon | I did it like I always do it |
| 02:19.42 | HellDragon | it worked the other times |
| 02:20.14 | k-man__ | would postfix fail to start if it couldn't bind to eth0? |
| 02:20.15 | DustyBin | go back and do it again |
| 02:20.27 | Wyzard | erpo: I've seen no problems... maybe recent Seagate drives don't get confused by oddly-sized SATA packets |
| 02:20.34 | HellDragon | ok |
| 02:20.52 | jello | k-man__: possibly |
| 02:21.13 | jello | k-man__: why not check the log... |
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| 02:21.20 | DustyBin | k-man__: edit main.cf and make sure you tell it what to bind to |
| 02:21.55 | DustyBin | mynetworks = 127.0.0.0/8,192.168.0.0/24 |
| 02:22.09 | erpo | Wyzard: Well, I bought a 500GB seagate drive this November and it was one of the blacklisted drives in the si3112 driver. Write speeds were under 3MB/sec. |
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| 02:23.40 | Wyzard | erpo: hmm... I've done a bulk read of the drive from Linux, and it was definitely a lot faster than that, but I don't think I've done a a bulk write |
| 02:23.59 | DustyBin | ive always bought seagate HDs but am now thinking about changing my brand, seagate dont seem to be good as they used to be |
| 02:24.06 | Wyzard | erpo: The drive contains a Windows installation, and that works fine (including lots of bulk I/O) |
| 02:24.24 | hatter | right, I am googling. this is happening on an araid99 and appears to only be happening with debian, now its saying 'hda: lost interrupt' |
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| 02:25.33 | Wyzard | DustyBin: btw, http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16817198003 |
| 02:25.57 | pedro_mg | this reminds me to finish the Google HD study paper... |
| 02:25.57 | pedro_mg | (not all made publicly available, of course) |
| 02:25.57 | erpo | Wyzard: Windows may not know that the controller can cause problems if used to write at full speed. |
| 02:25.57 | abrotman | hardware pr0n! |
| 02:26.22 | DustyBin | Wyzard: good idea |
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| 02:27.17 | Wyzard | DustyBin: I like it because there are no cables to connect internally -- the drive just slides in the front and latches into place |
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| 02:27.56 | Wyzard | DustyBin: and for a SATA connection, it's just a passthrough; the enclosure isn't involved in the protocol at all |
| 02:27.58 | DustyBin | Wyzard: that means you could use any number of drives with it |
| 02:28.30 | Wyzard | yep, though you'd want to get a set of mounting rails for each |
| 02:28.45 | DustyBin | ok |
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| 02:29.09 | Wyzard | (It's possible to put in just a bare drive, but to get it out you have to pick up the enclosure and turn it so the drive falls out into your hand... the mounting rail provides a handle on the front to pull it out) |
| 02:29.49 | DustyBin | excellent |
| 02:29.53 | dondelelcaro | and hope that the bare drive doesn't torque off the connector |
| 02:30.48 | DustyBin | ive never found any use for a external drive(s) but for backups i think they are ideal, keeping ALL backup HDs on the LAN live is not a good idea IMO |
| 02:30.49 | Wyzard | wouldn't happen... the rail stabilzes the drive side-to-side, but doesn't provide any support vertically |
| 02:31.04 | Wyzard | A bare drive is at the same height as one with the rails on it |
| 02:31.14 | Wyzard | so it's not pulling down on the connector at all |
| 02:31.34 | dondelelcaro | Wyzard: not on any rail system that I've seen |
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| 02:33.34 | Gigs2 | Hi guys, I was bad and touched /etc/mysql/debian.cnf even though it said not to, I changed the password in it to match the one in the DB, since I did a dump/restore and it got clobbered.. is there another place where the password is stored? |
| 02:33.42 | hatter | when i kill my vncserver and try to restart it, it tells a vnc server is already running, though the process has been killed, what in the system thinks a process is still running if its not ? |
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| 02:33.55 | dondelelcaro | Gigs2: that's it. |
| 02:34.08 | hatter | only for about 3 minutes, then it restarts |
| 02:34.14 | Gigs2 | dondelelcaro: weird then, right now the password there matches the one for the debian maint user in show grant.. |
| 02:34.28 | Gigs2 | dondelelcaro: yet, it's still getting the error on restart |
| 02:34.31 | dondelelcaro | Gigs2: uh... you realize that what show grant shows you is the encrypted password? |
| 02:34.32 | ColDfyre | Based on the uptime of my Linux 2.6.23 box, my e-Penis is 49.55 inches (125.86 cm) erect! Biggest erection ever was 49.55 inches (125.86 cm)! |
| 02:34.35 | DustyBin | hatter: how do you kill the process |
| 02:34.36 | Wyzard | dondelelcaro: The inside of the enclosure is the same height as the drive; the drive's weight rests entirely on the "floor", even with the rails |
| 02:34.49 | Gigs2 | dondelelcaro: right, doesn't debian.cnf have the encrypted password too? |
| 02:34.53 | dondelelcaro | Gigs2: no. |
| 02:34.57 | Wyzard | dondelelcaro: The rail thing is basically just a way to put a pull-handle and latch on the front of the drive |
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| 02:35.26 | Gigs2 | dondelelcaro: well, I tried setting the password in the DB to something I knew and then putting the plain in debian.cnf and that didn't work either, but I'll try it again. |
| 02:35.26 | dondelelcaro | Wyzard: right, but the rails screw into the drive and provide vertical support as well as horizontal, and lock the drive into a specific position |
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| 02:36.39 | dondelelcaro | Wyzard: without them, you (generally) have to hope that you're using a drive that is at the maximum for height (which drives don't have to be at to meet the specification) and that the tolerances on the connector are tight enough (which they generally aren't, if properly designed, because that causes binding) |
| 02:37.21 | Gigs2 | dondelelcaro: oh well, it worked now, thanks for the tip. |
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| 02:39.36 | Wyzard | dondelelcaro: The rail has a "lip" along its bottom edge which goes into a groove along the inside-bottom edge of the enclosure, and prevents the drive from being lifted *up*, but there's no upper lip on the rail and nothing along the inner sides of the enclosure to provide any support |
| 02:40.30 | Wyzard | dondelelcaro: The bottom edge of the rail is flush with the bottom of the drive, and both contact the bottom of the enclosure which supports the weight |
| 02:40.35 | dondelelcaro | Wyzard: huh; that's a really oddly designed enclosure then. |
| 02:40.59 | hatter | DustyBin, pgrep the process id, kill it |
| 02:41.17 | dondelelcaro | Wyzard: usually the rails are centered on the drive and the drive doesn't touch anything save for the connector at the back |
| 02:41.35 | Gigs2 | the only time I've seen an enclosure like that was when I ordered a $10 one :P |
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| 02:42.21 | dondelelcaro | at least, that's how all of the supermicro and dell raids that I've handled do it |
| 02:42.47 | Wyzard | dondelelcaro: I know what you mean in the context of a RAID array or tower case where there are a bunch of drives in a stack |
| 02:42.57 | Wyzard | but this is a lightweight external enclosure for a single drive |
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| 02:46.16 | TurboBee | how do i get java working in iceweasel |
| 02:46.42 | dondelelcaro | Wyzard: ah; sorry. Didn't catch taht |
| 02:46.58 | dondelelcaro | !java-plugin |
| 02:46.58 | dpkg | from memory, java-plugin is either java-gcj-compat-plugin (free) or sun-java5-plugin (from non-free) |
| 02:47.01 | Wyzard | dondelelcaro: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16817198003 |
| 02:47.44 | Penix | I can't even remember the last time I used a website that required a java plugin... |
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| 02:54.31 | TurboBee | thanks |
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| 02:55.46 | extor | Is there a linux equivalent to "virtual dub for windows"? Free... |
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| 02:57.02 | abrotman | virtual dub? |
| 02:57.12 | Wyzard | GPL video-editing program for Windows |
| 02:57.28 | Wyzard | extor: if you just need to transcode video, look into mencoder |
| 02:57.40 | Wyzard | extor: I don't know of anything with a GUI like VDub (though that isn't to say that none exists) |
| 02:57.54 | extor | I just wanted to excise a 10 minute clip from a 40 minute avi file |
| 02:58.02 | extor | avidemux maybe? |
| 02:58.03 | abrotman | cinerella ? |
| 02:58.05 | Wyzard | mencoder can almost certainly do that |
| 02:58.17 | Wyzard | abrotman: cinelerra |
| 02:58.23 | abrotman | i can't spell! |
| 02:58.40 | Wyzard | I know of it, but haven't used it |
| 02:59.20 | abrotman | i've wondered why that isn't in debian .. but whatever |
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| 03:00.44 | S2AnGeL | any one in here know of any well run debian based cluster webservers? |
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| 03:01.00 | nvz | I can't figure out why python isn't finding a library, I seen /usr/bin/python pointing to 2.4 and copied the library into /usr/lib/python2.4/ |
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| 03:03.48 | isai | just downloaded etch, and xmms segfaults without an explanation. Any one else with the same problem? |
| 03:05.14 | mbroeker | isai, use audacious. looks like xmms, can act like xmms and works fine |
| 03:05.39 | \amethyst | btw, is there anything like imms for audacious? |
| 03:06.49 | mbroeker | \amethyst, dunno. i use audacious only for playing single files. Playlists are handled by amarok on my desktop pc. |
| 03:07.27 | abrotman | isai: strace xmms |
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| 03:09.45 | isai | ok ran strace, but I don't understand the output |
| 03:10.16 | odla | anyone know how i can make it so if i right click in kde i'll have the option to open a terminal? |
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| 03:10.27 | mbroeker | isai, paste the last 50 lines of the strace output |
| 03:10.45 | coondogster | (for people that were on earlier) I got the panels fixed |
| 03:10.51 | coondogster | killall gdm |
| 03:10.53 | mbroeker | isai, strace xmms | tail -n 50 | nopaste |
| 03:11.15 | jello | mbroeker: nopaste?? |
| 03:11.31 | mbroeker | jello, my script is called nopaste |
| 03:11.55 | jello | heh |
| 03:11.57 | isai | mbroeker, check: www.pastebin.com/m6f90e7dd |
| 03:12.23 | jello | isai: nothing there... |
| 03:12.36 | abrotman | isai: blank |
| 03:12.39 | mbroeker | isai, well your script has another command line handling than mine... |
| 03:12.54 | abrotman | !paste |
| 03:12.54 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 3 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://channels.debian.net/paste/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. |
| 03:13.50 | isai | !paste |
| 03:13.50 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 3 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://channels.debian.net/paste/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. |
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| 03:16.20 | isai | check: paste.debian.net/45120 |
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| 03:18.37 | isai | it looks like it segfaults after the second getpid() |
| 03:18.45 | isai | ? |
| 03:20.28 | isai | mbroeker, it looks like it keeps trying to access: /etc/ld.so.nohwcap. What is that? |
| 03:20.37 | abrotman | isai: that's fairly normal |
| 03:21.00 | isai | abrotman, okay, does anything else in that strace paste look abnormal? |
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| 03:21.09 | abrotman | nope .. except that segfault bit :) |
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| 03:21.37 | sussudio | wtf did just happen |
| 03:21.38 | abrotman | there's ltrace too .. but likely you'd have to provide the maintainer with a backtrace .. and there are tons of other mp3 players in debian |
| 03:21.42 | abrotman | sussudio: you quit? |
| 03:21.51 | sussudio | not by choice |
| 03:21.53 | abrotman | <-- sussudio has quit (Remote closed the connection) |
| 03:22.01 | abrotman | piggy stayed |
| 03:22.10 | abrotman | OINK! |
| 03:22.19 | Piggy | moo |
| 03:23.33 | isai | okay, I'll just use audacious for now. |
| 03:23.57 | magyar | hi, how do i delete all messages in inbox with mutt? |
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| 03:27.26 | fundesktop | is there any support to install Xorg 6.9 on a Debian testing system? |
| 03:27.48 | dondelelcaro | fundesktop: why would you want to do that? |
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| 03:28.15 | fundesktop | dondelelcaro: someone on #Xorg told me installing 6.9 would be the only way to get a stable xserver |
| 03:28.25 | dondelelcaro | well, that person lied |
| 03:28.39 | abrotman | and it's pre-modular! |
| 03:28.46 | fundesktop | abrotman: oh noes! |
| 03:28.47 | abrotman | fundesktop: what about your X is not stable |
| 03:29.22 | fundesktop | problem description: after resuming from software suspend (using Linux), switching back to the X VT, the X server freezes and I only see a blank screen... what can I do about it? |
| 03:29.43 | \amethyst | fundesktop: what video driver? |
| 03:29.50 | fundesktop | driver "nv", debian testing with xserver and kernel from unstable |
| 03:30.07 | fundesktop | Linux 2.6.23, "X.Org X Server 1.4.0" |
| 03:30.09 | JW | Can someone please tell me how to get the Etch installer to setup an Extended partition so I can get more than 4 partitions total? |
| 03:30.18 | JW | It only offers Primary and Logical, |
| 03:30.31 | JW | but I can't use logical until I have an extended partition to put it in |
| 03:30.35 | fundesktop | now that person told me: <fizzle> fundesktop also, if you want debian distro. i recommend just downloading ubuntu or xubuntu |
| 03:30.39 | fundesktop | heresy!!1 |
| 03:30.42 | JW | I can't find anything about it in the install guide |
| 03:30.50 | Dewi | JW: tried creating a logical? |
| 03:30.56 | h3sp4wn | fundesktop: well that means you can just ignore them then |
| 03:31.05 | JW | Dewi: yes, it complains |
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| 03:31.18 | JW | I forgot the error already, I'll try again if you like |
| 03:31.19 | Dewi | JW: do you have existing partitions on the disk you want to keep? |
| 03:31.28 | abrotman | fundesktop: uhm .. but those don't have X6.9 .. so just kick him in the head :) |
| 03:31.30 | h3sp4wn | fundesktop: What about the binary drivers are they also broken ? |
| 03:31.34 | JW | Dewi: no, I'm reformatting |
| 03:31.48 | fundesktop | h3sp4wn: they work mostly, but sometimes they crash X |
| 03:32.07 | JW | I'm doing it for someone else and they have a particular scheme they want done of 5 partitions +swap |
| 03:32.09 | Dewi | JW: hmm. I really thought it creates it as needed, but it's been a while. |
| 03:32.20 | JW | Dewi: maybe I'm a dunce, let me try one more time |
| 03:32.23 | fundesktop | h3sp4wn: or rather, they crash in the kernel... I had a log if you want? |
| 03:32.30 | h3sp4wn | fundesktop: Ah yes - I had that issue for a bit (fortunately it appears to be fixed in the beta drivers) |
| 03:33.07 | fundesktop | h3sp4wn: ok, I'll show you the log, so you could tell me if it's the same problem |
| 03:34.35 | fundesktop | h3sp4wn: this one: http://rafb.net/p/FF5rb292.html |
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| 03:35.28 | iKernel | I HAVE LENNY |
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| 03:36.25 | \amethyst | are you holding him for ransom? |
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| 03:38.15 | JW | Dewi: I'm a dunce, it works when the first 3 are primary and you select "logical" on the last one. Thanks for the help. |
| 03:38.18 | h3sp4wn | fundesktop: I am not sure - are you using compiz ? |
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| 03:39.23 | fundesktop | h3sp4wn: no |
| 03:39.29 | fundesktop | h3sp4wn: compiz didn't even work for me |
| 03:39.39 | fundesktop | or I couldn't get it to work |
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| 03:40.42 | ezenu33 | I want to develop a program with FLTK (a c++ gui library) on a computer I don't have root access to. If I just get the source, there seems to be many dependencies, and each of those have dependencies, etc. How can I easily do this? (I would normally apt-get install the dev package, but I don't have root). The system is sarge |
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| 03:41.41 | h3sp4wn | fundesktop: What graphics card ? |
| 03:41.43 | eugo | ok im trying to set the prompt to color in my ~/.bashrc file, http://pastebin.com/m1116ceaf <-- .bashrc |
| 03:41.55 | fundesktop | h3sp4wn: "nVidia Corporation GeForce 8500 GT rev 161" |
| 03:42.12 | eugo | i've tried setting the TERM type to xterm-color (didnt work) |
| 03:42.34 | h3sp4wn | fundesktop: You definately should use the beta ones (doing it cleanly though is another question) |
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| 03:42.46 | tiesto95 | FUCK YOU |
| 03:42.50 | eugo | also uncommented the middle part like it says, which should work, but doesnt |
| 03:42.50 | abrotman | thank you |
| 03:43.05 | tiesto95 | MOTHER FUCKER |
| 03:43.06 | fundesktop | tiesto95: physically not possible, at least for me |
| 03:43.17 | tiesto95 | BITCH |
| 03:43.21 | fundesktop | h3sp4wn: ok I'll try that... any hints how to do that easily on Debian? |
| 03:43.21 | abrotman | tiesto95: please go elsewhere |
| 03:43.28 | tiesto95 | FUCK |
| 03:43.30 | eugo | if i run: export PS1=<color-string-from-.bashrc> then it works |
| 03:43.31 | piroko | tiesto95: Testing the /ban feature of freenode? |
| 03:43.32 | abrotman | !ops tiesto95 |
| 03:43.32 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: abrotman complains about: tiesto95 |
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| 03:43.58 | abrotman | mentor: thank you |
| 03:44.08 | mentor | np |
| 03:44.17 | h3sp4wn | fundesktop: To do it properly is a pita but you can do it |
| 03:44.20 | abrotman | it wasn't the cursing i objected to .. it was the capslock :) |
| 03:44.27 | jello | heh |
| 03:44.34 | fundesktop | h3sp4wn: I notice there are also drivers in experimental |
| 03:44.45 | mentor | Obviously, it made me jump out of my seat when I read it, it was so loudd |
| 03:44.46 | h3sp4wn | fundesktop: is that 169 ? |
| 03:44.54 | xs4545x | i have a few questions for you guys |
| 03:44.57 | fundesktop | h3sp4wn: I'm checking that, moment please |
| 03:45.19 | abrotman | i wonder if screen readers are louder on all caps |
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| 03:45.30 | abrotman | xs4545x: ask away |
| 03:45.41 | abrotman | xs4545x: assuming it's a debian question |
| 03:45.43 | me_loves_spinach | noob alert |
| 03:45.59 | me_loves_spinach | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:46.11 | xs4545x | not really too noobish |
| 03:46.22 | me_loves_spinach | i am the noob |
| 03:46.23 | xs4545x | is there an evolution channel |
| 03:46.30 | odla | xs4545x: on irc.gimp.net |
| 03:46.35 | me_loves_spinach | i need a coloured etc isssue output |
| 03:46.44 | abrotman | ls --color |
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| 03:46.48 | me_loves_spinach | lol |
| 03:46.51 | troubled | abrotman: *wave* |
| 03:46.53 | abrotman | oh .. the /etc/issue |
| 03:46.55 | me_loves_spinach | before getting into a shell |
| 03:46.55 | abrotman | troubled: hi |
| 03:47.04 | h3sp4wn | fundesktop: I only saw a non official one (and it didn't have a proper -src package so I wouldn't use it :/) |
| 03:47.28 | me_loves_spinach | http://www.smokers-board.de/board/member-upload/guennag/bush-merkel.jpg DOES NOT WORK! |
| 03:47.35 | me_loves_spinach | lol |
| 03:47.36 | eugo | i have a deb question |
| 03:47.38 | me_loves_spinach | wrong link |
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| 03:47.51 | Tramp | eugo: and you sourced your .bashrc after making the modifications, right? |
| 03:47.53 | Claudio32m | can a p3 handle a webserver on debian well? |
| 03:48.00 | abrotman | yes |
| 03:48.00 | me_loves_spinach | http://www.togaware.com/linux/survivor/Login_Screen.html THIS DOES NOT WORK |
| 03:48.11 | h3sp4wn | eugo: Have you tried setting $COLORTERM |
| 03:48.28 | eugo | sourced'it? i did check it again, it was saved |
| 03:48.37 | fundesktop | h3sp4wn: sorry I must have been mistaken (or these packages were removed again); nothing in experimental :/ |
| 03:48.56 | Tramp | eugo: . ./.bashrc or source ./.bashrc |
| 03:49.00 | Claudio32m | abrotman - trying to decide wether to leave the p3 as is.. p3,1ghz,256mb ram or upgrade it or build a new system alltogether |
| 03:49.03 | eugo | h3sp4wn: what should it be set? |
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| 03:49.11 | Tramp | eugo: Those modifications don't take place magically just by editing the file |
| 03:49.17 | abrotman | Claudio32m: depends on how much traffic and other things on the server |
| 03:49.39 | Claudio32m | abrot - well i will be getting a business bandwidth package soon |
| 03:49.44 | Claudio32m | with static ip |
| 03:49.48 | abrotman | Claudio32m: that doesn't mean jack |
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| 03:50.09 | h3sp4wn | eugo: It depends - what terminal are you actually using ? |
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| 03:50.17 | Tramp | eugo: either source the file in the current shell or logout/login again. |
| 03:50.49 | eugo | Tramp: i didn't know to source.. but i did logout/login, it doesnt change |
| 03:50.57 | eugo | h3sp4wn: that would be bash |
| 03:51.08 | fundesktop | h3sp4wn: what's the nvidia beta driver? release date? |
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| 03:51.19 | Tramp | eugo: what is your PS1 after you logged in again (echo $PS1)? |
| 03:51.22 | abrotman | Claudio32m: is it just static pages? |
| 03:51.44 | Claudio32m | so far yes |
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| 03:51.46 | h3sp4wn | fundesktop: Try looking in the forum on nvnews.net |
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| 03:51.56 | eugo | Tramp: \u@\h:\w\$ |
| 03:52.13 | hatter | is it still the go to use backports to get a newer kernel into etch ? |
| 03:52.28 | abrotman | Claudio32m: that's easy .. it's when you start doing dynamic |
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| 03:52.46 | Claudio32m | allright |
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| 03:53.19 | h3sp4wn | Seems a bit of a waste of a ps3 to use it as a webserver for static content |
| 03:53.20 | Tramp | eugo: Well. export TERM=xterm-color; source ~/.bashrc; echo $PS1 |
| 03:54.55 | abrotman | h3sp4wn: P3 .. not PS3 |
| 03:55.05 | abrotman | you know .. PIII |
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| 03:55.51 | h3sp4wn | abrotman: Ah ok |
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| 03:56.01 | eugo | Tramp: ok .bashrc has the middle uncommented (PS1 is set directly), when i log in (ssh btw), there is no color prompt. if i do source .bashrc, the color prompt appears |
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| 03:56.31 | eugo | it would appear that .bashrc is skipped? maybe some higher priority config? |
| 03:56.58 | Tramp | eugo: yeah. man bash. It reads about a dozen different config-files, based on weird conditions |
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| 03:57.10 | eugo | d'oh |
| 03:57.35 | Tramp | eugo: Probably you have to source your .bashrc from .bash_profile or .bash_login or maybe some other config-files |
| 03:57.57 | Tramp | eugo: because, technically, .bashrc is only for interactive non-login shells. |
| 03:58.59 | eugo | hmm yah.. but it's created in my ~, along with .bash_profile (which contains no PS1) |
| 03:59.04 | h3sp4wn | eugo: Or you can just copy /etc/skel/.bash_profile to your home dir (the Debian default deals with sourcing bashrc anyway) |
| 03:59.05 | Tramp | eugo: but for login-shells, one of three different files are read, depending on their availability |
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| 03:59.57 | h3sp4wn | eugo: . ~/.bashrc (the dot is the same as source) |
| 04:00.11 | eugo | aah |
| 04:00.13 | Tramp | eugo: just source ~/.bashrc from your .bash_profile. |
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| 04:00.23 | ScreenSaver | hello |
| 04:00.30 | ScreenSaver | i need help with something |
| 04:00.41 | ScreenSaver | if a have a sorces from X package |
| 04:00.52 | ScreenSaver | then i wanna auto update its from cvs |
| 04:00.57 | ScreenSaver | how can i do it? |
| 04:01.04 | ScreenSaver | for not download file by file |
| 04:01.06 | phogg | !enter |
| 04:01.06 | dpkg | The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter unecessarily makes it difficult to follow what you are saying. Consider using ',', '. ', ';', '...', '---', or ':' instead. |
| 04:01.22 | phogg | ScreenSaver: do a checkout from X's source control system |
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| 04:02.06 | ScreenSaver | how? |
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| 04:02.23 | phogg | ScreenSaver: No idea, try asking in some X support chennel |
| 04:02.30 | phogg | s/chennel/channel/ |
| 04:02.40 | ScreenSaver | O_o |
| 04:02.45 | ScreenSaver | very helpfully |
| 04:03.04 | ScreenSaver | but DOESN'T EXIST |
| 04:03.22 | ScreenSaver | not exist any software for automatic cvs download or update? |
| 04:03.23 | dondelelcaro | ScreenSaver: almost every FOSS package has instructions on how to check out their source using their VCS on their webpage. |
| 04:03.30 | abrotman | ScreenSaver: #xorg ? |
| 04:03.34 | dondelelcaro | ScreenSaver: and the package for that is called *cvs* |
| 04:03.39 | eugo | sourcing from .bash_profile didn't work =s |
| 04:03.41 | Jrabbit | Question: |
| 04:04.04 | dondelelcaro | Answer: |
| 04:04.05 | ScreenSaver | lol x package is a generic name |
| 04:04.08 | Jrabbit | Can you just change repo's in apt sources to switch to testing from stable? |
| 04:04.13 | ScreenSaver | i was not talking about xorg |
| 04:04.14 | ScreenSaver | lol |
| 04:04.15 | dondelelcaro | Jrabbit: pretty much. |
| 04:04.28 | Jrabbit | Screw this slow torrent then |
| 04:04.29 | Jrabbit | XD |
| 04:04.40 | dondelelcaro | !tell Jrabbit -about etch->lenny |
| 04:04.41 | ScreenSaver | dendeelcaro me das una mano? |
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| 04:05.26 | aarcane | Hi, when I sendmail using postfix (what is the default?) and php's mail command, I get an odd header added to my mail: Message-Id: <20071218040553.C809C141B675@web.unity.aarcane.org> . how do I get rid of this header? |
| 04:05.42 | dondelelcaro | aarcane: uh... you don't want to get rid of it. |
| 04:05.51 | Jrabbit | lol dondelelcaro ok |
| 04:06.12 | VincentC | i've just downloaded the stable release of debian, is there a md5 checksum that i should check against to make sure my file isn't corrupt or anything like that? |
| 04:06.15 | phogg | ScreenSaver: If you have a Debian source package for program FOO (note: using X as a variable is confusing!) then you can get its latest source from upstream version control by... looking in the package readme and finding out where they keep it. In general there is no automatic method |
| 04:06.17 | ohok | but what if I really REALLY want to get rid of it? |
| 04:06.20 | dondelelcaro | aarcane: and no, the Message-Id: is not an odd header. It's required. Every message should have one, and if not, the MTA/MUA/MDA should add it. |
| 04:06.23 | \amethyst | Not having a message-ID marks it pretty clearly as a spam |
| 04:06.33 | dondelelcaro | ohok: then you don't know what you're talking about. |
| 04:06.40 | ScreenSaver | file by file to download? |
| 04:06.46 | aarcane | dondelelcaro, problem is, it's showing up at the top of my mail in plaintext along with the Date header as well. |
| 04:06.51 | phogg | VincentC: iirc checksums are available from debian.org's download page. |
| 04:06.58 | phogg | ScreenSaver: what do you mean? |
| 04:07.03 | loadbal | i need to use apt over an insecure Internet connection. the new security provides encryption and authentication right? |
| 04:07.06 | ScreenSaver | cheout the cvs directory iam tryng to download http://www.lxdream.org/viewvc.cgi/trunk/ |
| 04:07.09 | \amethyst | aarcane: then you're putting an empty line somewhere in the header |
| 04:07.16 | ohok | donelecaro- heh |
| 04:07.17 | ScreenSaver | i wanna get the last cvs version |
| 04:07.17 | dondelelcaro | aarcane: then you aren't sending the mail to sendmail properly. |
| 04:07.22 | \amethyst | aarcane: what's the last header that does get printed? |
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| 04:07.36 | aarcane | aah |
| 04:07.43 | ScreenSaver | but i dont wana download file by file |
| 04:07.45 | phogg | ScreenSaver: install cvs |
| 04:07.49 | ScreenSaver | is a little slow |
| 04:07.51 | \amethyst | aarcane: extra newline in your subject? |
| 04:07.58 | phogg | ScreenSaver: then do a cvs checkout |
| 04:08.00 | aarcane | \amethyst, thanks. I had a \r\n instead of a \n in my code. that fixed it. and it was in my from header :) |
| 04:08.08 | \amethyst | aha |
| 04:08.10 | ScreenSaver | hmmm let me read about it |
| 04:08.12 | ohok | indeed |
| 04:08.12 | ScreenSaver | t u! |
| 04:08.13 | ScreenSaver | :) |
| 04:08.41 | phogg | yet another fine case of asking on IRC instead of doing trivial research... |
| 04:08.56 | dondelelcaro | phogg: research is hard |
| 04:08.56 | ohok | !trivial |
| 04:09.45 | ohok | it's really only hard when it is.... interesting |
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| 04:10.14 | ohok | (or when someone is just lazy beyond repair) |
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| 04:10.24 | phogg | dondelelcaro: not when it's a goodle search |
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| 04:10.56 | dondelelcaro | phogg: but doing a goodle search would require first indexing the web |
| 04:10.58 | ohok | what is that human search engine... is that cha cha? |
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| 04:11.34 | phogg | s/goodle/google/ |
| 04:12.06 | \amethyst | ohok: ChaCha, yes |
| 04:12.17 | ohok | also isn't there some law of programming that states at a certain level of complexity it's just cheaper to hire monkeys to do what you're program should do? |
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| 04:12.59 | dondelelcaro | the problem is the bannana budget for monkeys. |
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| 04:13.10 | ohok | ... |
| 04:13.49 | ohok | so to get around the bananabudget, write a search engine that sends the inquires to IRC,.... |
| 04:13.57 | ohok | ...then spits them back out as results |
| 04:14.03 | ohok | #2 ... |
| 04:14.08 | ohok | #3 profit ! |
| 04:14.33 | phogg | ohok: I doubt the reliability of the results |
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| 04:15.10 | ohok | well, reliability falls off as complexity rises |
| 04:15.30 | ohok | but just think of what you save on bananas |
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| 04:16.33 | phogg | I don't know, I think an index would be cheaper than an IRC gateway. |
| 04:16.51 | phogg | You could just index IRC logs and get almost the same result as a real query. |
| 04:17.02 | phogg | It's not as if the answers change much anyway |
| 04:17.13 | distatica | does anyone know if apt-get'ing avr-gcc installs avrlibs too? Or if I have to download this separately |
| 04:17.28 | abrotman | !depends avr-gcc etch |
| 04:17.45 | abrotman | !depends avr-gcc |
| 04:17.52 | abrotman | not in debian ? |
| 04:18.01 | damog | :o |
| 04:18.09 | distatica | !depends gcc-avr |
| 04:18.11 | distatica | sorry. |
| 04:18.14 | dpkg | gcc-avr: depends on libc6 (>= 2.6-1), binutils-avr (>= 2.16.1-1) |
| 04:18.16 | abrotman | oh ok |
| 04:18.29 | distatica | I have binutils-avr, I'll check libc6 |
| 04:18.57 | distatica | I guess that means it doesn't install it though. Thanks. |
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| 04:20.43 | ohok | what is the *best* channel for a port forwarding question ? |
| 04:21.03 | dondelelcaro | ohok: #iptables |
| 04:21.17 | ohok | (I already know what the best OS for port forwarding is...) |
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| 04:21.45 | ohok | thanks dondelecarlo, although when i was there is was a bit... lax |
| 04:22.07 | h3sp4wn | ohok: remember you have to test it from outside your network |
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| 04:22.56 | ohok | thanks h3sp4wn, I am on the outside now... |
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| 04:23.12 | ohok | but it no worky :-/ |
| 04:23.39 | ohok | (actually I have 2 networks on the inside... and only 1 is worky) |
| 04:24.59 | h3sp4wn | ohok: What are the 2 iptables lines you are using ? |
| 04:25.43 | ohok | well I am sort of only using 1, since my forwarding policy is accept |
| 04:26.00 | ohok | I still have the forwarding rule but its kind of redundant |
| 04:27.01 | ohok | the nat prerouting rule is correct AFAIK, it's a routing issue methinks |
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| 04:30.54 | robboplus_ | does anyone know about recommended CFLAGS for AMD X2 cpu? |
| 04:31.10 | robboplus_ | i read so many opinions on that in google that i'm completely lost |
| 04:31.22 | robboplus_ | especially march and or O1/2/3/Os |
| 04:31.24 | Asmooh | put them all? |
| 04:31.34 | robboplus_ | Asmooh: ? |
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| 04:33.20 | robboplus_ | Asmooh that's probably the most stupid advice i have read here since ages |
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| 04:33.29 | robboplus_ | someone should ban your ass for that |
| 04:33.44 | robboplus_ | if you don't know what CFLAGS are just shut up please |
| 04:33.58 | dondelelcaro | robboplus_: why are you asking here? furthermore, it's entirely dependent on the application that you're compiling. |
| 04:34.09 | robboplus_ | dondelelcaro because i want to improve my etch |
| 04:34.18 | dondelelcaro | robboplus_: improve it how? |
| 04:34.29 | robboplus_ | i believe defaults in debian aren't really optimized for X2 |
| 04:34.34 | dondelelcaro | randomly recompiling things isn't going to make them faster |
| 04:34.44 | robboplus_ | of course it is |
| 04:34.47 | h3sp4wn | robboplus_: there is the amd platform documentation |
| 04:34.48 | robboplus_ | and not randomly |
| 04:35.03 | phogg | dondelelcaro: of course not. Randomly painting flames on things makes them faster. |
| 04:35.12 | robboplus_ | i need to get the most out of mysqld first of all |
| 04:35.26 | robboplus_ | and i KNOW that cflags can do alot to the binary |
| 04:35.29 | dondelelcaro | robboplus_: mysqld is almost certainly IO bound, not CPU bound. |
| 04:35.31 | ohok | heh phogg |
| 04:35.49 | \amethyst | if you want to get the most out of mysqld, add a fuckload of memory |
| 04:35.55 | \amethyst | and cache as much as possible |
| 04:36.00 | robboplus_ | dondelelcaro not here where i get 95% cache hit ratio :) |
| 04:36.02 | dondelelcaro | robboplus_: the very first thing you should concern yourself with is your database design. |
| 04:36.16 | robboplus_ | hi amethyst :) i did already :) |
| 04:36.23 | \amethyst | :) |
| 04:36.34 | robboplus_ | now i want to speed up mysql itself |
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| 04:36.36 | \amethyst | run multiple copies, then, one per core |
| 04:36.44 | indraveni | hi all |
| 04:36.48 | ohok | sql sharding looks like an interesting way to take caching to the next level |
| 04:36.48 | robboplus_ | amethyst i am multithreading it already ;) |
| 04:36.49 | dondelelcaro | \amethyst: mysql already forks, so that won't do anything |
| 04:36.56 | \amethyst | dondelelcaro: ah |
| 04:37.01 | indraveni | I am trying to create a torrent to a file and thus installed bittorrent |
| 04:37.27 | indraveni | and bittornado |
| 04:37.28 | robboplus_ | dondelelcaro thank you for what you said about db design but for now i just want to meet someone who uses X2 on etch |
| 04:37.31 | dondelelcaro | robboplus_: so get a baseline set of performance metrics with replicates and calculate standard error, then begin to play with various optimization flags. |
| 04:37.32 | \amethyst | robboplus_: anyway, if you care that much, you should try different combinations and benchmark them |
| 04:37.46 | indraveni | and I am using the bttrack as my tracekr |
| 04:38.00 | \amethyst | robboplus_: it's really not possible to tell a priori which optimization options will be the best for a particular application |
| 04:38.03 | robboplus_ | amethyst well that's what i will do probably.. just thought that someone here would know about cflags for X2 family |
| 04:38.24 | indraveni | there is something that I am mssing in configuring the tracker, as, when I am tryign to download the file using my created tracker, its not connecting |
| 04:38.26 | robboplus_ | especially march is strange.. it defaults to i486 now... |
| 04:38.34 | robboplus_ | i would say that's bull |
| 04:38.49 | indraveni | is there a place where I can see whats going wrong with my bittorent client, why its not downlaoding the file etc |
| 04:38.50 | indraveni | ? |
| 04:38.55 | dondelelcaro | robboplus_: yes, because that's a perfectly reasonable default architecture. |
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| 04:39.10 | robboplus_ | dondelelcaro yes, that's a default arch. and nothing else |
| 04:39.15 | \amethyst | robboplus_: for something like mysql, 64-bit might be faster |
| 04:39.29 | robboplus_ | dondelelcaro which doesn't mean that making it e.g. i686 or k8 won't speed up the binary, right? |
| 04:39.40 | \amethyst | it might, it might not make a difference |
| 04:39.42 | robboplus_ | amethyst that's what i think too |
| 04:39.45 | \amethyst | you have to benchmark |
| 04:39.53 | indraveni | help needed in this case, please |
| 04:39.59 | robboplus_ | so just asking and i get flamed to hell and back by dondelelcaro which i don't understand |
| 04:40.35 | robboplus_ | if there are so many cflags then they are there for a purpouse while dondelelcaro knows the answer already... i don't buy it |
| 04:40.49 | dondelelcaro | robboplus_: it generally doesn't make a difference. In the specific cases where it does, the libraries are already compiled that way. |
| 04:41.10 | \amethyst | dondelelcaro: that's not necessarily true |
| 04:41.40 | dondelelcaro | \amethyst: it depends on the precise code; there are cases where it makes it slower, and cases where it makes it faster. |
| 04:41.42 | \amethyst | dondelelcaro: except for certain things like fftw and libc6, Debian uses flags that work on 486 even if something else would be faster |
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| 04:42.17 | dondelelcaro | \amethyst: when we know that there is a actual performance benifit to architecture specific compilation, we tend to do it. |
| 04:42.42 | \amethyst | dondelelcaro: really? Even when it loses support for, say, original Pentiums? |
| 04:42.48 | \amethyst | or 486s |
| 04:42.58 | dondelelcaro | \amethyst: who said anything about doing that? cmov exists for a reason. |
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| 04:44.16 | artagnon | how do I change my timezone? |
| 04:44.34 | streuner__ | artagnon: etch? tzconfig |
| 04:44.48 | indraveni | anyone there who can help me in this please ? |
| 04:45.07 | Rusty1 | indraveni: #bittorrent perhaps ? |
| 04:45.50 | robboplus_ | dondelelcaro i would like to hear your opinion on this: http://gentoo-wiki.com/Safe_Cflags |
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| 04:46.11 | streuner__ | !gentoosmite robboplus_ |
| 04:46.14 | robboplus_ | dondelelcaro of course that's gentoo but those things are universal... you still say that CFLAGS should be left default? |
| 04:46.27 | robboplus_ | streuner1 just read up boy |
| 04:46.48 | robboplus_ | i'm not paranoid about speed yet, just trying to show what others say about CFLAGS |
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| 04:47.43 | robboplus_ | dondelelcaro not to mention that i just found a hint there about speeding up compiling on X2... it's done with j3 and it's NOT default in debian etch either |
| 04:47.56 | robboplus_ | just a simple example |
| 04:48.13 | dondelelcaro | robboplus_: uh... you do realize that all that -j does is run multiple instances of make in parallel, right? |
| 04:48.19 | robboplus_ | no |
| 04:48.35 | robboplus_ | and default in etch was using ONE core |
| 04:48.45 | robboplus_ | now it goes on TWO cores and is significialy faster |
| 04:48.50 | dondelelcaro | robboplus_: obviously, because the default is to only run one instance of make. |
| 04:49.01 | dondelelcaro | if you want to change that, set MAKEFLAGS appropriately |
| 04:49.03 | robboplus_ | so defaults aren't really this great as you are saying |
| 04:49.15 | robboplus_ | just showing you that your point of view might be a bit wrong |
| 04:49.17 | dondelelcaro | robboplus_: you're conflating MAKEFLAGS with GCC flags. |
| 04:49.23 | robboplus_ | i'm not |
| 04:49.35 | robboplus_ | i'm generalizing about what you said about defaults in debian and how good they are |
| 04:49.50 | robboplus_ | for MY architecture they are not |
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| 04:50.00 | simonrvn | over-generalising |
| 04:50.10 | dondelelcaro | best of luck with that, then. |
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| 04:51.52 | rafuch0 | where i can find the meening of the name of the directories in source code like m4 , po those? |
| 04:52.03 | rafuch0 | a tutorial or something |
| 04:52.24 | plediii | when doing make-kpkg I get this errror: No rule to make target `/usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.23-1-amd64/scripts/basic/Makefile'. I know I have to update some utility, but I can't remember which it is. |
| 04:52.49 | dondelelcaro | rafuch0: m4 is for m4, an interpretor, po is for PO files |
| 04:53.11 | streuner__ | ohok: silent, you cannot speak |
| 04:54.50 | streuner__ | ohok: a "light" ban |
| 04:55.08 | simonrvn | same effect as if you were devoiced in a moderated channel |
| 04:55.39 | ohok | oh ok then |
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| 04:57.27 | maddash | dondelelcaro: what was that for? |
| 04:57.41 | maddash | dondelelcaro: CFLAGS get you riled up? |
| 04:57.49 | streuner__ | trolls |
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| 04:59.22 | simonrvn | ohok: oh ok =) |
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| 05:03.28 | artagnon | How do I search the contents of packages for a specific binary? For example, I want to know which package chvt belongs to |
| 05:03.43 | xsdg | artagnon: packages.d.o |
| 05:03.49 | artagnon | I don't have the package, I don't know the package name. I only know the binary's name |
| 05:04.11 | xsdg | artagnon: was that in response to me? (and if so, look at the bottom of that page) |
| 05:04.37 | xsdg | artagnon: alternately, dpkg can search for you (though sometimes it takes a while) |
| 05:04.44 | xsdg | (that is, dpkg the bot) |
| 05:04.48 | xsdg | !botsnack |
| 05:04.49 | dpkg | xsdg: :) |
| 05:04.54 | artagnon | xsdg: uh... I didn't quite get you |
| 05:05.00 | artagnon | what's packages.d.o? |
| 05:05.01 | xsdg | artagnon: packages.debian.org |
| 05:05.07 | xsdg | sorry |
| 05:05.08 | artagnon | ah |
| 05:05.16 | vimes656 | artagnon: you can use apt-file |
| 05:05.43 | vimes656 | apt-file search 'file_name' |
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| 05:06.59 | artagnon | vimes656: hmm... apt-file search chvt returned nothing |
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| 05:07.12 | simonrvn | update first |
| 05:07.18 | bucky | artagnon, dpkg -S /usr/bin/chvt |
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| 05:07.27 | bucky | console-tools: /usr/bin/chvt |
| 05:07.39 | bucky | which chvt |
| 05:07.49 | artagnon | bucky: I don't have chvt |
| 05:08.01 | bucky | apt-get install console-tools |
| 05:08.01 | artagnon | that solution is feasible if I have the package installed |
| 05:08.14 | artagnon | bucky: I know... but let's suppose I don't have it |
| 05:08.15 | xsdg | bucky: you're sort of missing the point |
| 05:08.15 | simonrvn | it should be. something is buggered |
| 05:08.18 | bucky | apt-file is pretty cool |
| 05:08.44 | bucky | i thought console-tools was a default package |
| 05:08.56 | artagnon | I didn't "default" install |
| 05:09.18 | simonrvn | oh my bad, it says optional not required or whatever |
| 05:09.18 | artagnon | :( packages.d.o didn't match it either |
| 05:09.33 | artagnon | hmm |
| 05:09.43 | simonrvn | s,required,important, |
| 05:09.49 | artagnon | why didn't it turn up on apt-file or packages.d.o? |
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| 05:10.02 | \amethyst | artagnon: did you do apt-file update? |
| 05:10.07 | simonrvn | did you update it? |
| 05:10.16 | simonrvn | (second time i mention that...) |
| 05:10.19 | xsdg | artagnon: with respects to packages.debian.org, you're doing something wrong |
| 05:10.22 | artagnon | oh :P I forgot |
| 05:10.23 | piroko | My hd is acting wonky. What's that sysfs area that shows exactly what processes are reading/writing to the hd? |
| 05:10.30 | xsdg | (I just checked) |
| 05:10.32 | piroko | *sysfs command |
| 05:10.50 | xsdg | piroko: fuser -v? |
| 05:10.53 | piroko | I think it's like block_dump or somtehing |
| 05:11.00 | xsdg | (that's not sysfs, but might help |
| 05:11.01 | xsdg | ) |
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| 05:11.57 | piroko | xsdg: Shoot. It stopped now. What would be the best way to run fuser to get ALL disk activity? |
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| 05:12.35 | xsdg | piroko: I'm not sure you can, but I might just be ignorant (check the manpage?) |
| 05:12.44 | piroko | Alright. Looking now. Thanks :) |
| 05:12.47 | xsdg | piroko: what do you mean by "wonky"? |
| 05:12.48 | artagnon | ah I was doing something wrong. I should search like packages.debian.org/file:<filename> and not like packages.debian.org/<filename> |
| 05:13.08 | piroko | xsdg: I mean it was making long, continuous writes every five seconds |
| 05:13.09 | xsdg | artagnon: oh, wasn't aware that it had that interface; cool |
| 05:13.21 | artagnon | :) |
| 05:13.24 | xsdg | piroko: typically, you can run top and sort by CPU usage |
| 05:13.46 | xsdg | piroko: for me when that happens it's usually related to postgres doing a VACUUM or something like that |
| 05:13.47 | homecable | what soft ware would i need for a Thin Client pxe so i can use linux on any pc off of 1 box ? |
| 05:14.03 | piroko | xsdg: What is a VACUUM? :) |
| 05:14.20 | xsdg | piroko: basically, some periodic maintenance that pgsql does |
| 05:14.21 | piroko | xsdg: I found the thing I was looking for too. It's sysctl -w vm.block_dump=1 |
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| 05:14.28 | xsdg | piroko: cool |
| 05:14.50 | piroko | xsdg: Ah. I don't have postgres :-/ |
| 05:15.03 | piroko | Ah well. It's over now :) |
| 05:15.25 | piroko | I wish I was hardcore enough to use OpenBSD as a primary desktop... |
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| 05:15.53 | xsdg | piroko: oh; another thing to check is if you were getting an ssh probe, that's caused regular, periodic disk accesses on at least one box of mine |
| 05:15.55 | simonrvn | s,hardcore,masochist, |
| 05:16.04 | xsdg | piroko: (check /var/log/daemon.log for that) |
| 05:16.13 | simonrvn | auth.log too |
| 05:16.38 | ohok | I don't think even OpenBSD developers use it as a primary desktop |
| 05:16.40 | piroko | xsdg: Thanks for the tips. :) I never have sshd on though. Good to know about those logs for the future however |
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| 05:16.50 | piroko | ohok: Lol. I know at least a few people who do |
| 05:17.00 | xsdg | piroko: np |
| 05:17.03 | piroko | simonrvn: Thanks to you too ;) |
| 05:17.10 | xsdg | simonrvn: I think that's the one I meant :o) |
| 05:17.19 | ohok | and yes most of them are over on #masochist |
| 05:17.37 | piroko | Both logs provide helpful info |
| 05:17.43 | ohok | (the rest are all on #canuck) |
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| 05:18.38 | piroko | Well if you guys ever want to know exactly what processes are accessing your disk at what time (not files though), sysctl -w vm.block_dump=1 will give you loads of info in dmesg |
| 05:18.39 | extor | Wow this avidemux is incredible, even better than virtual dub in that everything WORKS intuitively |
| 05:19.20 | aarcane | How do I make a debian virtualmachine forget an IP address previously assigned by DHCP ? |
| 05:19.20 | xsdg | piroko: I hope it doesn't count sysklogd :o) |
| 05:20.06 | piroko | xsdg: syslogd(2819): dirtied inode 13584 (syslog) on hda1 |
| 05:20.10 | piroko | Oh yes it does |
| 05:20.11 | piroko | ;) |
| 05:20.24 | \amethyst | aarcane: remove the lease file from /var/lib/dhcp perhaps ? |
| 05:20.25 | xsdg | piroko: ouch :o) |
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| 05:20.40 | piroko | Lol. Yeah, seems a bit recursive eh? |
| 05:21.09 | piroko | Oh jesus! Very recursive! Yikes! |
| 05:24.08 | aarcane | \amethyst, tried that. tried purging the /tmp/dhcp.leases from the dhcp daemon as well, and of course, I've restarted the machine after killing the dhcp daemon, removing it's lease cache, stopping the network on the debian machine, removing the lease cache, then forcing the mac for the debian machine to a different address in an ethers file for the dhcp server and then brought up the network on the debian machine |
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| 05:24.42 | ohok | aarcane- don't your logs tell you what's going on? |
| 05:24.42 | aarcane | it's still pulling the wrong dynamic IP somehow |
| 05:24.57 | \amethyst | aarcane: is there another dhcp server interfering? |
| 05:25.23 | \amethyst | yeah, I'd suggest either turning up verbosity and looking in the logs, or using a traffic sniffer |
| 05:25.30 | aarcane | \amethyst, shouldn't me. reviewing the dhcp lease file for the server the "wrong" IP keeps showing up for the host |
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| 05:25.58 | \amethyst | hm |
| 05:26.01 | ohok | right bc it keeps asking for it |
| 05:26.07 | simonrvn | extor: nice to know i installed it the other day |
| 05:26.16 | simonrvn | extor: insert a comma in there |
| 05:26.21 | ohok | so dhcpd after offering a differnt one, goes back to sleep |
| 05:27.47 | plediii | Ok, I just installed linux-headers-2.6.23-1-amd64, but when I run make-kpkg clean in my linux-source directory, I get scripts/Makefile.clean:17: /home/usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.23-1-amd64/arch/x86_64/boot/Makefile: No such file or directory. Can anyone tell me why? |
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| 05:28.16 | \amethyst | plediii: that's not the linux-source directory |
| 05:28.42 | plediii | \amethyst: actually I have /usr linked to there |
| 05:29.03 | \amethyst | plediii: the linux-headers package doesn't have full source |
| 05:30.06 | plediii | \amethyst: I unpacked linux-source-2.6.23 into my /usr/src directory, and I'm running make-kpkg clean from there. Do I have to copy all the scripts from the linux-source into the header directory? |
| 05:30.51 | plediii | bah, you know, I linked linux -> linux-headers instead of -> linux-source |
| 05:31.06 | plediii | painful |
| 05:31.12 | \amethyst | :) |
| 05:31.21 | \amethyst | plediii: actually |
| 05:31.30 | \amethyst | plediii: it's possible linux-headers did that itself |
| 05:31.42 | plediii | hmm |
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| 05:33.05 | aarcane | \amethyst, I found out what the problem was. I had typed a 5 instead of a 6 in the ethers file, and was trying to assign an IP in an invalid subnet range. |
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| 05:33.50 | \amethyst | aarcane: ah |
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| 05:34.31 | Thasp | device 'fixed@10:1' does not have a release() function, it is broken and must be fixed |
| 05:34.35 | Thasp | what does this mean upon boot? |
| 05:34.39 | Thasp | it happens right before a kernel anic |
| 05:34.55 | Thasp | I just upgraded the kernel and I get that on bootup |
| 05:35.15 | Thasp | then the vfs cannot open root device "hda3" or unknown-block(0,0), please append a correct "root=" boot option |
| 05:35.30 | Thasp | but I have, I'm using the same that was used in the grub config for the other kernel |
| 05:36.39 | \amethyst | the different kernel might be giving your drive a different name |
| 05:37.02 | \amethyst | sda3 perhaps |
| 05:37.05 | Thasp | how do I find out what the name of it is? |
| 05:37.18 | Thasp | it's a regular IDE drive |
| 05:37.25 | Thasp | I'll try that I guess |
| 05:37.26 | \amethyst | oh, not SATA? |
| 05:37.29 | Thasp | yeah |
| 05:37.34 | \amethyst | hm |
| 05:37.34 | Thasp | it's an 11 year old computer |
| 05:37.41 | Thasp | and it's from 2.6.18 to 2.6.23 |
| 05:37.53 | \amethyst | a debian 2.6.23 or your own? |
| 05:37.55 | Thasp | just so I could compile in a bunch of netfilter/iptables stuff of my own |
| 05:37.56 | Thasp | my own |
| 05:38.07 | \amethyst | Thasp: same config settings ? |
| 05:38.16 | Thasp | same stuff in menu.lst for grub |
| 05:38.26 | \amethyst | Thasp: I mean, kernel configuration |
| 05:38.29 | Thasp | hell no |
| 05:38.29 | \amethyst | Thasp: is it possible you left out a driver or a filesystem or something? |
| 05:38.36 | Thasp | I upgraded so I could change them |
| 05:38.45 | Thasp | I made this kernel so huge it took hours to compile.. I'm sure I didn't miss something |
| 05:39.09 | \amethyst | or did you make something a module and then not use an initramfs? |
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| 05:39.28 | \amethyst | (something like the root fs or IDE support or so on) |
| 05:40.17 | Thasp | I don't know. I'll check the make menuconfig with the old kernel now |
| 05:40.25 | \amethyst | Thasp: the debian .config is fairly extensive, you might consider copying it, doing make oldconfig, and changing anything you need to change from there |
| 05:40.58 | Thasp | where do I find the debian .config for the kernel it came with? |
| 05:41.20 | \amethyst | Thasp: /boot/config-$(uname -r) |
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| 05:42.29 | Thasp | I see config-2.6.18-5-686 |
| 05:42.33 | maddash | yay, done studying |
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| 05:42.47 | lrn | hey all |
| 05:43.00 | lrn | i want to install nvidia drivers and hwd tool on my debian unstable |
| 05:43.08 | maddash | time to reward myself with some penguin racer |
| 05:43.08 | lrn | but i cant find those packages |
| 05:43.11 | lrn | anyone can help? |
| 05:43.14 | \amethyst | Thasp: is that the kernel you used to use? |
| 05:43.18 | maddash | !nvidia |
| 05:43.18 | dpkg | To use an NVIDIA graphics card with Debian, see http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers. If you've done it before, ask me about <nvidia one-liner> for a reminder. |
| 05:43.19 | Thasp | \amethyst, yes |
| 05:43.32 | Thasp | \amethyst, how do I know make oldconfig grabbed the config from the existing kernel, and not the broken one I just compiled and failed to boot with? |
| 05:43.32 | lrn | !hwd |
| 05:43.45 | lrn | maddash: thanks |
| 05:43.49 | lrn | but what about hwd ? |
| 05:43.56 | maddash | 'hwd'? |
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| 05:44.03 | lrn | yes |
| 05:44.04 | \amethyst | Thasp: because you overwrite the .config in the linux directory with this file |
| 05:44.10 | lrn | the tool that auto config your X server |
| 05:44.26 | \amethyst | Thasp: also, make oldconfig won't ask you anything about the config you just wrote, since it's already up-to-date |
| 05:44.45 | \amethyst | Thasp: it should, however, ask you about stuff added between .18 and .23 |
| 05:44.51 | karrotx | wow |
| 05:45.03 | \amethyst | Thasp: oh, are you using make-kpkg? |
| 05:45.03 | karrotx | looks like i'm going to be admin'ing some debian boxes again |
| 05:45.08 | karrotx | i'm mildly excited |
| 05:45.22 | lrn | anyone can help me with finding hwd package name ? |
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| 05:45.24 | Thasp | \amethyst, I don't even see a config file in the directory for the new kernel |
| 05:45.34 | Thasp | the root dir of the linux-2.6.23.11 directory |
| 05:45.51 | \amethyst | Thasp: it's a dotfile IIRC |
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| 05:46.13 | \amethyst | Thasp: also, I haven't compiled a kernel in about two years, so something might have changed :) |
| 05:46.24 | maddash | lrn: I've no idea what 'hwd' is. use google. |
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| 05:47.21 | dbmoodb | anyway to check the md5 things on my system of most installed files (already installed) |
| 05:48.25 | maddash | dbmoodb: man md5sum |
| 05:48.50 | dbmoodb | i mean like a system integrity check sort of thing - unless that does it |
| 05:49.32 | \amethyst | dbmoodb: debsums |
| 05:49.53 | maddash | dbmoodb: 'system integrity check'? have you been thrashing your system as root? otherwise, md5sum your root partition or something |
| 05:50.01 | dbmoodb | lol |
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| 05:50.15 | lrn | maddash: can you give me a good server to download unstable packages for debian ? |
| 05:50.32 | dbmoodb | nar well this isn't a standard install - it a debian etch modified for a ls pro- so tis not installed from scratch think of it that way |
| 05:51.04 | maddash | lrn: you mean an apt repository? debian.org/mirrors |
| 05:51.30 | maddash | lrn: http://www.us.debian.org/mirrors/list or apt-spy |
| 05:52.18 | dbmoodb | debsums looks good - running it now |
| 05:52.58 | Thasp | ok |
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| 05:53.09 | Thasp | I took the config file in the boot dir and copied it to the new kernel dir and named it .config |
| 05:53.14 | Thasp | then did make menuconfig |
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| 05:58.00 | maddash | Thasp: you're supposed to make oldconfig first |
| 05:58.19 | dbmoodb | lol |
| 05:58.34 | dbmoodb | - he doesn't have to does he ? |
| 05:59.18 | Thasp | maddash, say it aint so |
| 05:59.29 | Thasp | make oldconfig didn't do anything |
| 05:59.44 | wols | dbmoodb: no, he doesn't |
| 05:59.47 | maddash | Thasp: that's because you already did your menuconfig, which overwrote your old .config |
| 06:00.03 | dbmoodb | - should do so |
| 06:00.07 | dbmoodb | lol |
| 06:00.10 | wols | Thasp: it will do somethi8ng when ran on a debian config for a 2.6.18 kernel when you try to make a .23 one |
| 06:00.17 | Thasp | I want to have the same menuconfig as the kernel that I installed, plus some new options for netfilter and iptables :( |
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| 06:00.25 | wols | maddash: didn't overwrite but added the missing stuff |
| 06:00.26 | dbmoodb | - hell yeah takes your config accross |
| 06:00.50 | nye17 | JOIN #screen |
| 06:00.57 | Nyle | rahul: ping |
| 06:00.59 | piroko | Well goodnight for real this time |
| 06:01.11 | wols | Thasp: you let make-kpkg make an initrd? |
| 06:01.17 | piroko | Take it easy :) See ya guys tomorrow |
| 06:01.25 | wols | andif you want a debian kernel you need to use a debian source |
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| 06:02.59 | dbmoodb | debian kernel ? |
| 06:03.07 | dbmoodb | !linux |
| 06:03.07 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, linux is closed |
| 06:03.12 | Thasp | how long should I expect it to take the regular debian kernel + a bunch of extra networking options to compile on a PII 333? |
| 06:03.14 | Nyle | linux kernel with debian patches |
| 06:03.26 | Nyle | Thasp: few hours |
| 06:03.27 | dbmoodb | ah |
| 06:03.33 | Thasp | Nyle, no way :( |
| 06:03.35 | dbmoodb | - can't he get a backport ? |
| 06:03.45 | wols | dbmoodb: only .22 |
| 06:03.49 | dbmoodb | - or cross compile |
| 06:03.54 | Thasp | I won't find out until this morning if this kernel even works then |
| 06:03.55 | Thasp | damn |
| 06:04.06 | Nyle | well thats the thing |
| 06:04.07 | wols | cross compile is fine |
| 06:04.27 | Thasp | I have no guarantee this'll work different than the last one |
| 06:04.32 | wols | Thasp: no linux with a faster cpu? |
| 06:04.50 | Thasp | wols, I have a few quad cores lying around |
| 06:04.58 | wols | Thasp: then use them? |
| 06:04.58 | Thasp | but this is going to be a router |
| 06:04.58 | Nyle | Thasp: sarcasm? |
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| 06:05.05 | Thasp | quad core router = waste of CPU |
| 06:05.18 | Nyle | um... |
| 06:05.27 | Nyle | think outside the bun |
| 06:05.32 | maddash | Thasp: distccd |
| 06:05.43 | faust__ | There's nothing saying your router can't do other tasks too. |
| 06:05.44 | wols | maddash: no need. and detrimental |
| 06:05.48 | maddash | Thasp: google, "myrddin distcc kernel" |
| 06:05.59 | wols | with the p2 333 the network latencies would kill all prefomance achieved |
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| 06:06.43 | faust__ | the student lug at my old school ran a dual pIII Xeon 1ghz as a network bridge. |
| 06:06.54 | Nyle | why can't you compile the kernel on another machine? |
| 06:07.18 | Nyle | make a deb and bring it over to the router and install it |
| 06:07.22 | Nyle | just use your config |
| 06:07.36 | faust__ | Was necessarry in order to get 100mbit throughput with firewall functions and decent latency. |
| 06:07.44 | maddash | Thasp: allows you to compile the whole thing on the other machine if you prefer |
| 06:08.18 | Nyle | I don't like kernels |
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| 06:09.25 | dbmoodb | - well depends on the router |
| 06:11.09 | Thasp | interesting |
| 06:11.11 | dbmoodb | - silly routers will not enough memory die with nat tables growing due to p2p |
| 06:11.19 | dbmoodb | cough bittorrent |
| 06:11.37 | Thasp | that makes it more of a project though |
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| 06:13.06 | Thasp | I'm going to try compiling a debian kernel on here, instead of a regular one |
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| 06:14.30 | maddash | Thasp: er, aren't they the same things, essentially? |
| 06:14.48 | Thasp | I'm hoping this one on't give kernel panics ffor nonsense reasons |
| 06:15.02 | Thasp | I'm going to try make oldconfig, then make menuconfig, and just add the netfilter stuff I want |
| 06:15.06 | Thasp | compile that and hope it works in the morning |
| 06:15.12 | texta | Can someone help me with apt sources. Im trying to install the package "apache2" onto my PowerPC with Etch 4.0 on it. |
| 06:15.21 | texta | Says it missing or something. |
| 06:15.21 | texta | :S |
| 06:16.07 | maddash | texta: what's the exact error? |
| 06:16.16 | texta | ive got security.debian.org/ etch/updates main contrib |
| 06:16.41 | texta | Package has no installation candidate |
| 06:17.07 | dbmoodb | and what is your other one ? |
| 06:17.11 | dbmoodb | the cd or ? |
| 06:17.42 | texta | no |
| 06:17.54 | texta | non-us.debian.org |
| 06:18.03 | texta | main contrib and non-free |
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| 06:18.13 | texta | added tht one myself. |
| 06:18.49 | maddash | texta: why don't you post your /etc/apt/sources.list? |
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| 06:19.07 | dbmoodb | - ah just a q do we have selinux active in etch by default ? |
| 06:19.20 | texta | because the box doesnt have anything in it yet |
| 06:19.27 | texta | so i cant ssh/samba to it |
| 06:20.44 | wols | texta: there is no non-us anymore. you ned a normal etch repository |
| 06:20.49 | wols | !tell texta about sources.list |
| 06:20.57 | texta | k |
| 06:21.56 | dbmoodb | oi is there still a non-free ? |
| 06:22.54 | texta | it exists |
| 06:23.05 | wols | dbmoodb: yes, as there is contrib |
| 06:23.10 | wols | but there is no non-us anymore |
| 06:23.40 | dbmoodb | k |
| 06:23.54 | texta | dev http://us.debian.org/debian etch main contrib sounds right eh? |
| 06:24.03 | texta | deb* |
| 06:24.05 | wols | no. deb, not dev |
| 06:24.15 | wols | and http.us.debian.org |
| 06:25.29 | texta | ah thnx |
| 06:25.42 | texta | its actually taking more then 1min which is what i wanted it to do :P |
| 06:26.07 | texta | Woo here comes apache :P |
| 06:26.12 | texta | thnx dbmoodb , wols |
| 06:26.27 | wols | texta: apache or apache2? both exist |
| 06:26.30 | texta | apache2 |
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| 06:28.32 | dbmoodb | wait so we have selinux on by default or not ? |
| 06:29.07 | wols | I think no, but not sure |
| 06:29.49 | streuner | no |
| 06:31.04 | dbmoodb | ok |
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| 06:32.48 | streuner | http://wiki.debian.org/SELinux - "The Debian packaged Linux kernels have had SELinux support compiled in (but disabled by default) since version 2.6.9." |
| 06:33.21 | texta | zomg |
| 06:33.27 | texta | IO Block errors |
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| 06:34.23 | bintut | hello all.. |
| 06:34.34 | dbmoodb | k |
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| 06:34.50 | bintut | does the dhcp3-server on etch able to provide an ipv6 addresses to the clients? |
| 06:35.44 | simonrvn | i don't see why not |
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| 06:37.10 | \amethyst | dhcpv6 is a different protocol |
| 06:38.36 | simonrvn | yeh, of course, so? ;) |
| 06:39.46 | esaym | mplayer can play wmv videos fine and all my others player play them all garbled (kaffine, vlc), anyone have a clue? |
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| 06:40.52 | streuner | esaym: apt-cache policy mplayer (use paste.debian.net) |
| 06:41.06 | bintut | how do i implement it for a lan (for testing)? |
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| 06:42.40 | bintut | i can't find a dhcpd.conf sample file with ipv6 address |
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| 06:44.44 | BadHorsie | now and then when executing commands i see some weird character instead of quotes that look like squares, any ideas? |
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| 06:48.01 | s32raph | fucking debian |
| 06:48.15 | dondelelcaro | ? |
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| 06:48.27 | s32raph | lilo decided to 99999999999999999999999 my harddrive |
| 06:48.31 | dondelelcaro | BadHorsie: most likely you're entering UTF8 or iso8859 characters that you don't have the fonts to display. |
| 06:48.35 | s32raph | then i punched the monitor off my laptop |
| 06:48.43 | Penix | ah. ok. that's why it's debian fault. now I see |
| 06:48.45 | s32raph | currently using my desktop crt monitor.. |
| 06:49.10 | BadHorsie | don_armstrong: thanks mate |
| 06:49.13 | s32raph | well it was nice of lilo to override my bios startup permanently during the process |
| 06:49.21 | s32raph | or w/e it was, wouldnt boot any of my cds |
| 06:49.24 | dondelelcaro | huh? lilo has nothing to do with your bios |
| 06:49.30 | s32raph | anywho, the old monitor makes pretty colors now |
| 06:49.31 | s32raph | = ) |
| 06:49.46 | Penix | that's probably one of the last things that would ever make me punch a screen |
| 06:50.07 | dondelelcaro | besides it being the wrong thing to attack anyway |
| 06:50.15 | s32raph | it was last straw on my camels back sorta thinger |
| 06:50.22 | Penix | I can understand that |
| 06:50.24 | dondelelcaro | if you're really angry at your bios, desolder it, and then decimate it |
| 06:50.35 | Penix | but I'd like to see something actually bad happen ;) |
| 06:50.37 | simonrvn | heheh |
| 06:51.15 | s32raph | any how, im sort of internoob again. anything i should get updated with? |
| 06:51.30 | s32raph | i could use a good c++ compiler.. |
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| 06:52.32 | simonrvn | that seen table is getting out of hand... |
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| 06:53.48 | dbmoodb | lol |
| 06:53.54 | Penix | s32raph: for the love of youtube, film your C++ antics. sounds like it'd be evil :) |
| 06:54.20 | dbmoodb | - re lilo and bios ... any one been able use linuxbios ? |
| 06:54.24 | BadHorsie | it's like those movies where they see somebody is transferring something important and the bad guy comes in a shoots the screen, haha |
| 06:54.28 | s32raph | evil is when I live-recompile youtube hahahha |
| 06:55.00 | dbmoodb | horsie - if the screen dies the computer dies dur |
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| 06:55.40 | Penix | and risc is teh shit lolz |
| 06:55.50 | BadHorsie | hehe |
| 06:57.28 | dbmoodb | !risc |
| 06:57.28 | dpkg | hmm... risc is (Reduced Instruction Set Computing) RISC chips use a simpler instruction set than CISC chips to get their work done. This results in more instructions that need to be processed by the processor, but they are easier to process, so the chips can process more instructions per clock cycle than a CISC chip. Chip philosophers argue the benefits of RISC vs. CISC, but there is no clear cut winner. See also CISC for additional info. |
| 06:57.41 | dbmoodb | damn right |
| 06:58.22 | s32raph | u need a new chip for that? |
| 06:58.42 | s32raph | im gonna put a full kernel insider the memory buffer for the fucking mouse pointer |
| 06:58.54 | s32raph | ill show u reduced instructions.. |
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| 07:03.35 | maddash_ | hahaha, so much for all the stability that linux claims to have -- my system died after dreamchess crashed. |
| 07:05.08 | elenril | can anyone confirm iceweasel crash with FPE on news.google.cz? |
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| 07:10.01 | \amethyst | elenril: no |
| 07:10.43 | Allaun | linux has write support for dvd-ram disks correct? |
| 07:10.58 | dbmoodb | oh noes not dvd-ram |
| 07:11.04 | dbmoodb | is that still around ? |
| 07:11.16 | Allaun | yep, its still sold online |
| 07:11.17 | Allaun | :D |
| 07:11.21 | dbmoodb | lol |
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| 07:11.28 | dbmoodb | i have it in my ubuntu box |
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| 07:11.52 | Allaun | i had a interesting idea, though it would require too much work to get it done |
| 07:11.59 | Allaun | and minimal usefullness |
| 07:12.01 | elenril | \amethyst, click on the tab with country name |
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| 07:12.17 | dbmoodb | mmm fun fun |
| 07:12.55 | \amethyst | elenril: what tab? |
| 07:13.15 | Allaun | but you could, IN THEORY, create a live cd with dvd ram support that when shut down, it goes into a minimal session to write the changes |
| 07:13.30 | dbmoodb | dear god no |
| 07:13.36 | Allaun | heh |
| 07:13.45 | Allaun | its something i've thought about along time |
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| 07:14.13 | Allaun | thought it would have little use since usb drives are cheap now adays |
| 07:14.14 | elenril | \amethyst, i don't know what this thing is properly called, maybe a "pulldown menu" or something like that. right under the google logo |
| 07:14.17 | Allaun | *though* |
| 07:14.23 | elenril | news.google.com crashes too |
| 07:14.42 | \amethyst | elenril: works here |
| 07:14.49 | dbmoodb | oh now how can i get webcam working ... |
| 07:15.00 | elenril | hmm, seems to be enough just to scroll all the way down -> SIGFPE |
| 07:15.02 | \amethyst | elenril: what version of debian and what version of iceweasel? |
| 07:15.10 | elenril | \amethyst, unstable |
| 07:15.11 | \amethyst | elenril: also, what architecture |
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| 07:15.29 | elenril | \amethyst, i386 |
| 07:15.41 | \amethyst | do you have the new glibc? |
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| 07:16.22 | elenril | 2.7-3 |
| 07:16.35 | \amethyst | elenril: I wonder if it's related to http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=454734 |
| 07:16.52 | \amethyst | elenril: which is a sigfpe on mail.yahoo.com, cairo-related |
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| 07:17.33 | \amethyst | elenril: a backtrace and a bug report would probably be helpful |
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| 07:17.53 | elenril | \amethyst, seems to be it |
| 07:18.07 | elenril | 0xb7764fb6 in ?? () from /usr/lib/libcairo.so.2 |
| 07:18.14 | elenril | that's the last thing gdb says |
| 07:18.27 | \amethyst | elenril: that bug suggests downgrading cairo to 1.4.10-1 |
| 07:18.40 | simonrvn | weee more cairo bs |
| 07:18.41 | \amethyst | elenril: libcairo2, that is |
| 07:19.16 | elenril | i just thought about upgrading to 1.4.12 :) |
| 07:19.56 | \amethyst | elenril: I would recommend, after trying out a few versions of libcairo2, posting a message to the bug about your experience |
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| 07:20.19 | \amethyst | with the backtrace |
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| 07:20.50 | elenril | \amethyst, i can't get a backtrace, because X freezes when iceweasel crashes from gdb |
| 07:21.03 | elenril | so i have to kill it from vt |
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| 07:21.31 | \amethyst | elenril: ulimit core unlimited then run iceweasel from that shell |
| 07:21.40 | \amethyst | elenril: then you can run gdb on the resulting core file |
| 07:22.04 | elenril | cairo 1.4.12 works :) |
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| 07:23.40 | elenril | \amethyst, thanks for your help |
| 07:23.57 | \amethyst | elenril: make sure you file that bug report |
| 07:24.15 | elenril | why? it's fixed, isn't it |
| 07:24.17 | \amethyst | or, rather, add a message to the existing one |
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| 07:24.35 | elenril | ok |
| 07:24.39 | \amethyst | it's not marked as fixed yet, so the iceweasel maintainers might not know |
| 07:25.10 | \amethyst | also, it lets the original reporter upgrade cairo again :) |
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| 07:26.30 | \amethyst | elenril: what version did you have, BTW? 1.4.10-1.1 ? |
| 07:26.54 | elenril | yes, that one |
| 07:26.57 | \amethyst | http://packages.debian.org/changelogs/pool/main/c/cairo/cairo_1.4.12-1/changelog |
| 07:27.28 | \amethyst | 1.4.10-1.2 "fix floating point regressions introduced by the previous NMU." |
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| 07:27.41 | \amethyst | :) |
| 07:27.51 | simonrvn | heh |
| 07:28.05 | elenril | :D |
| 07:28.09 | simonrvn | @nickometer \amethyst |
| 07:28.12 | ravenbird | '\amethyst' is 0.000% lame, simonrvn |
| 07:28.12 | \amethyst | if you had waited four more days to upgrade your packages, you never would have noticed |
| 07:28.17 | \amethyst | simonrvn: take that! |
| 07:28.18 | simonrvn | wow |
| 07:28.27 | \amethyst | backslash is a letter :) |
| 07:28.38 | simonrvn | \amethyst: hehe |
| 07:28.46 | \amethyst | or, more likely, someone accidentally included a backslash in their regexp |
| 07:28.57 | \amethyst | since |, which is also a letter, is lame |
| 07:29.02 | simonrvn | probably didn't escape it |
| 07:29.05 | \amethyst | @nickometer |amethyst |
| 07:29.08 | ravenbird | '|amethyst' is 14.000% lame, \amethyst |
| 07:29.25 | \amethyst | simonrvn: or was trying to use a backslash-escape inside a character class |
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| 07:30.36 | b0rsuk | Hey, I have a strange problem. I'm trying to boot kubuntu from USB. The stick is 2GB Kingston . I try to make the stick bootable pretty much the debian way : zcat boot.img.gz > /dev/sdf1 . |
| 07:30.59 | b0rsuk | Now the strange part : before zcat command, the partition is 2GB big. After that command, it's 16MB total. |
| 07:31.02 | b0rsuk | Any idea ? |
| 07:31.07 | bintut | hello all.. |
| 07:31.28 | b0rsuk | I mean, I can't fit the .iso on the stick to boot from it. |
| 07:31.35 | simonrvn | whole bunch of regexen |
| 07:31.40 | bintut | anyone here able to setup ipv6 on a lan using etch? |
| 07:31.40 | neotic | b0rsuk: well, you're replacing the partition with the .img.gz? |
| 07:31.59 | dbmoodb | ? |
| 07:32.07 | dbmoodb | bintut can't you just use it ? |
| 07:32.10 | b0rsuk | neotic : you mean zcat boot.img.gz > /dev/sdf1 ? |
| 07:32.34 | \amethyst | simonrvn: does \[[^[]\\ match any of them? |
| 07:32.45 | bintut | dbmoodb: i can't find a good debian+ipv6 howto/doc on the net.. :( |
| 07:32.48 | b0rsuk | Before, on another stick, I made bootable Etch similar way, except there was no partition and I used /dev/sdf instead of /dev/sdf1 . |
| 07:33.15 | neotic | b0rsuk: do it that way then, remove the partition and re-zcat |
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| 07:34.24 | b0rsuk | neotic : right now I don't remember the exact spell to remove partitions, I'm not Linux guru anyway. But boot.img.gz is an archive of some kind, right ? So I could just insert the .iso file into it and then it would copy with zcat ? |
| 07:34.49 | b0rsuk | I mean, modify the image ? |
| 07:35.13 | b0rsuk | Err. No. I just tried it and it doesn't seem to work. |
| 07:35.28 | neotic | b0rsuk: you can remove the partition with fdisk |
| 07:35.36 | neotic | b0rsuk: and use 'd' to remove it |
| 07:35.46 | b0rsuk | neotic : yes, but it's 'man fdisk' away. |
| 07:36.16 | b0rsuk | We're being told on university that lazy people make better coders, because they think how to make their work easier. |
| 07:36.43 | zinx | it's true, to an extent |
| 07:36.47 | simonrvn | \amethyst: nope |
| 07:37.07 | \amethyst | simonrvn: well, it's not what I thought it might be |
| 07:37.22 | \amethyst | @nickometer amethyst\ |
| 07:37.25 | ravenbird | 'amethyst\' is 14.000% lame, \amethyst |
| 07:37.40 | \amethyst | simonrvn: strange, backslash at the end is bad, but at the beginning is not |
| 07:37.58 | simonrvn | # Allow Perl referencing \n $text =~ s/^\\([A-Za-z])/$1/; |
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| 07:38.48 | simonrvn | # Punish consecutive non-alphas $text =~ s/([^A-Za-z0-9]{2,}) /my $consecutive = length($1); &punish(&slow_pow(10, $consecutive), "$consecutive total consecutive non-alphas") if $consecutive; $1/egx; |
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| 07:39.13 | \amethyst | simonrvn: so, since my name is a reference, I'm okay? |
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| 07:39.16 | \amethyst | simonrvn: woohoo |
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| 07:39.36 | simonrvn | looks it |
| 07:39.39 | \amethyst | simonrvn: still, I wonder what that's about |
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| 07:40.36 | \amethyst | It's more like latex anyway :) |
| 07:40.44 | simonrvn | dunno, infobot/blootbot code is pretty old |
| 07:40.50 | simonrvn | yes |
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| 07:41.16 | simonrvn | Lame-o-Nickometer backend (c) 1998 Adam Spiers <adam.spiers@new.ox.ac.uk> You may do whatever you want with this code, but give me credit. |
| 07:41.17 | \amethyst | I mean, I guess you might want to take a reference to a function's return value |
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| 07:42.08 | simonrvn | in what language? :P |
| 07:42.23 | b0rsuk | q |
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| 07:46.55 | simonrvn | hmm |
| 07:46.55 | simonrvn | @insult me |
| 07:46.55 | gamag | in which location kind I find the Python standard library? |
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| 07:46.56 | gamag | !insult simonrvn |
| 07:46.56 | dpkg | simonrvn is nothing but a spur-galled pile of boil-brained buzzard gizzards |
| 07:46.56 | gamag | wow! |
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| 07:47.01 | simonrvn | you got lucky, i just enabled it |
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| 07:50.47 | \amethyst | @nickometer \amethyst |
| 07:50.50 | ravenbird | '\amethyst' is 0.000% lame, \amethyst |
| 07:51.17 | \amethyst | oh, good, not that :) |
| 07:52.03 | simonrvn | you should see the __DATA__ for that insult module o_O |
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| 07:52.35 | simonrvn | some of them are t3h funn3h |
| 07:52.45 | simonrvn | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:53.23 | simonrvn | Mon Mar 16 10:49:53 MST 1992 garnett added more colorful insults |
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| 07:55.23 | simonrvn | gamag: std lib for python? comes with the install |
| 07:55.32 | simonrvn | gamag: or where on the fs? |
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| 07:57.29 | tweakism | I have file /etc/modprobe.d/vmmon which contains the line "options vmmon vmversion=17". This is ignored at boot time. however, rmmod vmmon; modprobe vmmon, and it is recognized? |
| 07:57.59 | gamag | simonrvn: yes I got it in /usr/lib/python-<version> |
| 07:58.10 | simonrvn | yeh, that's where ;) |
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| 08:03.34 | Kalamansi | hello guys..how to monitor the bandwidth of my workstations (windows) ? and how to block the video streaming websites in an instant?what apps to install please?thanks |
| 08:03.57 | simonrvn | try #windows |
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| 08:04.51 | jbAU | hey all - what's the maximum amount of ram that a x86 debian machine can use? i've got 20gb instlaled but debian is only seeing 3gb |
| 08:05.03 | Kalamansi | simonrvn : im using debian as my server |
| 08:05.30 | Kalamansi | jbAU: try reformat and reinstall debian |
| 08:05.45 | Kalamansi | jbAU: erase entire disk first |
| 08:05.58 | simonrvn | try hobbit, munin, cricket, plain ol' snmp + scripting, ... |
| 08:06.00 | jbAU | Kalamansi: ya i just did that - erased the root partition and re-installed |
| 08:06.20 | simonrvn | !tell Kalamansi -about search |
| 08:06.21 | jbAU | there was something about user mode swap... |
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| 08:07.11 | simonrvn | !wayttd jbAU |
| 08:07.11 | dpkg | What Are You Trying To Do, jbAU? |
| 08:07.23 | catsup_ | you can put 20gb of ram in an x86? |
| 08:07.51 | simonrvn | isn't there a 4 gb limit for physical memory on 32b x86? |
| 08:07.53 | catsup_ | jbAU: you need the bigmem kernel option for more than 4 gigs or so |
| 08:08.02 | Kalamansi | simonrvn " http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Hobbit |
| 08:08.04 | jbAU | ah ok - i'll grab the bigmem kerna |
| 08:08.09 | \amethyst | simonrvn: physical address extensions |
| 08:08.10 | Kalamansi | a fairy tale? |
| 08:08.20 | simonrvn | \amethyst: thanks |
| 08:08.44 | \amethyst | simonrvn: you can have more (I think up to 64GB), but only 4GB per segment |
| 08:08.47 | simonrvn | Kalamansi: no, silly :) ; hobbit, apt-cache show hobbit |
| 08:09.15 | catsup_ | jbAU: how many slots is that? |
| 08:09.16 | \amethyst | simonrvn: or something like that; usually the result is a max of 4GB per process |
| 08:09.20 | simonrvn | oh yeh, that's right. i only have so much room in my head ;p |
| 08:09.48 | jbAU | catsup_: um that's 8 slots, |
| 08:10.11 | jbAU | to be honest i think it's crazy they're putting 20gb in this thing, but someone decided that it -had- to have it |
| 08:10.20 | Kalamansi | simonrvn :~$ apt-cache show hobbit |
| 08:10.20 | Kalamansi | W: Unable to locate package hobbit |
| 08:10.20 | Kalamansi | E: No packages found |
| 08:10.32 | \amethyst | jbAU: does it have a 64-bit CPU? |
| 08:10.39 | simonrvn | Kalamansi: etch? |
| 08:10.50 | jbAU | yes it has 2 x Xeon's |
| 08:10.54 | simonrvn | have you updated recently? |
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| 08:11.06 | \amethyst | jbAU: it might be more profitable to run it with a 64-bit OS, unless there's a good reason not to |
| 08:11.10 | simonrvn | well, that makes a difference... |
| 08:11.22 | Kalamansi | oh simonrvn my mistake.sorry i was using ubuntu |
| 08:11.23 | Kalamansi | sorry |
| 08:11.27 | Kalamansi | my mistake |
| 08:11.33 | simonrvn | !ubuntusmite Kalamansi |
| 08:11.35 | \amethyst | jbAU: since then you don't need hacks like bigmem to handle all the RAM your board supports |
| 08:11.44 | simonrvn | Kalamansi: woops, sorry =) |
| 08:11.45 | jbAU | Yer your right amethyst, but it is running a couple of vmware instances so i'm not sure how nice that plays with 64bit |
| 08:12.08 | \amethyst | I don't know about that either, but I imagine it's possible |
| 08:12.31 | fireba11 | jbAU : VMware works fine with 64-bit system |
| 08:12.49 | jbAU | fireba11: even if the vmware instances are 32bit ? |
| 08:12.57 | simonrvn | it speaks! :P |
| 08:13.06 | Kalamansi | simonrvn do yo know some apps for ubuntu?like limit bandwidth,monitor the bandwidth,block the video streaming website in an instant? |
| 08:13.08 | fireba11 | jbAU: yes, you only need a couple extra libs installed, am doing it here :-) |
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| 08:13.54 | simonrvn | Kalamansi: i don't do ubuntu really, and it's off-topic here. i don't quite understand the last part of your question |
| 08:13.54 | jbAU | fireba11: ah right, i'll have to check itout. I just reloaded debian 4.0 as the host os as the previous ubuntu vmware host was a doggggg |
| 08:14.04 | fireba11 | jbAU : its# a bit outdated, you don't need all of it anymore but http://blog.robinz.info/archives/2006/03/17/install-vmware-server-on-debian-amd64em64t/ |
| 08:14.17 | jbAU | fireba11: thanks i'll check it out |
| 08:14.32 | Kalamansi | simonrvn : block websites like youtube...and other video streaming... |
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| 08:14.57 | happla | I <3 debian |
| 08:14.58 | happla | =) |
| 08:15.02 | simonrvn | either block via iptables or via squid, or both |
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| 08:15.33 | simonrvn | trans. proxy via squid + iptables rules to redirect outgoing |
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| 08:26.56 | Kalamansi | simonrvn: if i install squid what is the main effect? |
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| 08:41.10 | simonrvn | Kalamansi: squid is a proxy daeon |
| 08:41.43 | simonrvn | i'm going to sleep, gonna have ask someone else. good luck |
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| 08:44.50 | math | I've a problem using FAI and get this error: |
| 08:44.50 | math | fai.log:sed: can't read /etc/udev/rules.d/z25_persistent-net.rules: No such file or directory |
| 08:44.50 | math | can someone help me? |
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| 08:45.58 | jaggz- | any reason I should avoid ubuntu? |
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| 08:46.11 | jaggz- | I'm using it from a 2.5 year old install but want to upgrade |
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| 08:52.09 | Kalamansi | jaggz-: are you using it for what?server? |
| 08:52.44 | hatter | which package does this belong to ? libXext.so.6 |
| 08:54.52 | cahoot | http://packages.debian.org/search?searchon=contents&keywords=+libXext.so.6&mode=path&suite=stable&arch=any |
| 08:55.17 | erpo | Anyone want to explain to me how you can remove unnecessary instructions from the inner loop of an assembly language program and end up with an executable that runs _slower_? |
| 08:56.47 | hatter | cahoot, cool, thx, i didnt know how to do that :) |
| 08:57.18 | cahoot | hatter: there are smarter ways - but this is how I do |
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| 08:57.51 | hatter | that way is fine |
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| 09:00.25 | jaggz- | Kala, personal system |
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| 09:00.43 | jaggz- | I do coding on it, and web dev too.. but it's my own laptop |
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| 09:04.40 | rio_ | ola |
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| 09:07.14 | jaggz- | ola |
| 09:09.26 | subha | i have installed pam-usb package.But when i am tring to configure it by invoking pamusb-conf it is giving the following error;ImportError: No module named dbus;wht is that?how to solve that? |
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| 09:10.09 | Looseunit | hey y'all, i been googling all day and as yet cant seem to find a fix, im having dramas getting perl scripts to work via apache, the things seem to want to download in the browser, any help ? |
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| 09:12.21 | jaggz- | sounds like you didn't set the directory they're in to execute cgi scripts |
| 09:12.25 | basanta | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:12.40 | jaggz- | look at the ScriptAlias lines you'll probably find in the apache conf |
| 09:12.48 | \amethyst | Looseunit: are these CGIs or mod_perl scripts? |
| 09:12.49 | catsup_ | Looseunit: you need to set the handler to .pl or put them in a special dir |
| 09:12.56 | jaggz- | basanta, I'm liking "checkinstall" |
| 09:13.07 | jaggz- | amethyst, good Q.. |
| 09:13.31 | Looseunit | hey guys, yeah i have them in /usr/lib/cgi-bin .. as my apache2.conf says |
| 09:13.50 | \amethyst | Looseunit: are they executable? |
| 09:13.55 | Looseunit | there regular cgi scripts with a content header |
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| 09:14.12 | basanta | jaggz-, yeah I used to use that one long time ago |
| 09:14.19 | Looseunit | yup chmoded to 755 |
| 09:14.52 | \amethyst | Looseunit: hm... #apache might be able to help more |
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| 09:15.14 | Looseunit | ok thanks guys :) |
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| 09:16.51 | jaggz- | I'm sure there are other ways.. but since I'm usually using it while installing something -- that is, I'm not creating my own package for distribution -- it works for my purposes. |
| 09:17.18 | distatica | I am running Debian testing, I have CUPS installed and a Canon MP-150 USB printer attached. I can print a test page, however the command lpr filename.pdf returns absolutely nothing, no errors, no output, and the print simply does not exist in the jobs list. |
| 09:17.40 | distatica | Any ideas what I could be checking into here? I have added my user to the allowed people, but I have also tried lpr as root. |
| 09:17.45 | yigal | distatica: what is your default printer? |
| 09:17.51 | distatica | that's it |
| 09:17.53 | dimir | Morning! |
| 09:18.04 | distatica | I made sure to set it as the default too |
| 09:18.14 | yigal | distatica: what about simply lp? |
| 09:18.30 | distatica | let me try |
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| 09:19.28 | distatica | distatica@desktop:~/avr$ lp attiny2313_datasheet.pdf |
| 09:19.28 | distatica | request id is distatica@desktop+839 |
| 09:19.44 | distatica | Yet nothing shown in the job list (through localhost:631 |
| 09:19.55 | distatica | And no printing |
| 09:20.12 | yigal | distatica: have you had luck using a gui config tool? |
| 09:20.45 | distatica | I don't know which one, I know Ubuntu has stuff built in, but that's it. |
| 09:21.06 | distatica | All I know is basically what I'm pulling together from different bits and pieces :) |
| 09:21.53 | yigal | distatica: yes, and no. I use hp and hp is really well maintained I don't have to do much at all |
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| 09:22.35 | distatica | The Canon was easily set with the 'add new printer' section, I didn't have to use a ppd file or anything, it was in the list. |
| 09:22.36 | yigal | distatica: Canon may be very different, however it worked for the CUPS test so something else is going on? |
| 09:22.39 | distatica | mp150 specifically. |
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| 09:22.48 | distatica | I would assume so. The test page printed fine. |
| 09:22.50 | distatica | as user root. |
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| 09:23.00 | yigal | distatica: have you tried to print as root? |
| 09:23.02 | VIH | -------______--------HEIL HITLER!-------__-----__--- |
| 09:23.02 | VIH | -------\----/--------------------------/-/----/-/--- |
| 09:23.02 | VIH | ---_----|--|----_-----WE-CONTROL------/-/----/-/---- |
| 09:23.03 | VIH | --|-\___|--|___/-|----YOUR-WORLD-----/-/___-/-/___-- |
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| 09:23.03 | distatica | And I've tried t.. yes |
| 09:23.12 | distatica | hah, nice. |
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| 09:23.25 | yigal | ok |
| 09:23.35 | yigal | VIH: I'm a Jew fuck you |
| 09:23.44 | VIH | sucks for you |
| 09:23.52 | sep | !ops VIH offtopic spamming |
| 09:23.53 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: sep complains about: VIH offtopic spamming |
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| 09:24.09 | TheInfinity | VIH: i'm a german guy - you dont really know what your speaking about, hmm? |
| 09:24.25 | tomaw | b |
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| 09:24.40 | yigal | ah, its some punk who doesn't know what he talking about |
| 09:24.51 | yigal | no need to get agro but owell |
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| 09:24.54 | rio_ | yesterday i performed a crash test using drbd+HA, when master comes up it goes primary/unknown and became master node even if mirror is up and running... how to solve? |
| 09:25.12 | rio_ | maybe by update-rc.d -f remove drbd start script? |
| 09:25.52 | distatica | yigal, very weird... nevermind |
| 09:25.53 | distatica | lol |
| 09:26.00 | TheInfinity | btw ... one question ... someone here who knows how to add a blacklist to spamassassign, but not as blacklist which blocks everything, instead as a -5 on valuation? |
| 09:26.20 | distatica | anyone following from before, I tried ot go back to print a test page, and now it's saying I'm not allowed to print. :/ |
| 09:26.51 | cmihai | Isn't this channel register only? :-\ |
| 09:27.26 | cmihai | Usually a good way to mitigate against specimens like that one above... |
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| 09:27.39 | dcordero | hola |
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| 09:28.12 | dcordero | alguien sabe como puedo obtener el path completo de un archivo dado? algo como pwd pero para un archivo no para el usuario |
| 09:28.22 | dcordero | lo necesito para un script |
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| 09:28.47 | TheInfinity | dcordero: english channel ;) |
| 09:28.52 | dcordero | ups, sorry |
| 09:28.57 | cmihai | dcordero, try /join #debian-es |
| 09:29.03 | dcordero | my mistake, i thought i was on -es :/ |
| 09:29.13 | cmihai | dcordero, oh :-] |
| 09:29.51 | cmihai | You want to obtain the full path of an archive for a script or what? |
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| 09:30.37 | dcordero | someone know how to know the absolutely path of a file. Something like `pwd`but for a indicated file. I need it for a script |
| 09:30.44 | dcordero | yep, you r right |
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| 09:32.28 | dcordero | i was looking ls man page but there arent any option about it |
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| 09:36.15 | cmihai | dcordero, you mean something like "which" or "find"? |
| 09:36.54 | cmihai | dcordero, if the file is in PATH, "which" will point that out. find / slocate / whatever take a while though. |
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| 09:38.10 | dcordero | yep, i could use it |
| 09:38.13 | dcordero | thanks |
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| 09:40.01 | cmihai | That was Spanish right? |
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| 09:40.18 | rio_ | someone envolved in linux-HA or a channel to join? |
| 09:40.22 | Clockwise | Is there any Dirvish users around? Shouldn't Dirvish take somekind of a hardlink backups after the first root backup? |
| 09:40.54 | cmihai | rio_, Linux HA as a whole, or a tool like Heartbeat or uCARP or whatever? |
| 09:41.16 | rio_ | im speaking about heartbeat+drbd |
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| 09:41.54 | rio_ | i found linux-ha :D |
| 09:42.02 | deprecatd | I know you can set the sticky bit on a directory to make all files created in it belong to a group, is there any way of making "sticky permissions" so the default permissions will be eg. ug+rwX? |
| 09:42.34 | cmihai | Like an umask? |
| 09:42.37 | rio_ | deprecatd try use umask |
| 09:42.38 | dcordero | cmihai, yep, i am from spain |
| 09:42.57 | \amethyst | deprecatd: you can with ACLs |
| 09:43.00 | deprecatd | yeh, umask works for a user (in all directories) but is there a way to "enforce" it on a directory for all group members? |
| 09:43.08 | \amethyst | deprecatd: look for "default ACLs" |
| 09:43.22 | deprecatd | \amethyst: thanks, i'll have a look. |
| 09:43.48 | cmihai | dcordero, heh, cool. Spanish looks easy :-] |
| 09:43.51 | \amethyst | deprecatd: the synopsis is setfacl -d -m u::rwx,g::rwx directory |
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| 09:43.59 | dcordero | cmihai, :) |
| 09:44.08 | sep | Clockwise, sorry, i tested backuppc and dirvish adn landed on backuppc. :) |
| 09:44.14 | \amethyst | deprecatd: btw, you are talking about the setgid bit (02000), not sticky (01000) |
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| 09:46.08 | deprecatd | \amethyst: you are right of course (oops) but that does look like what I'm after. thanks. |
| 09:46.31 | \amethyst | deprecatd: btw, you might have to remount your filesystem with -o acl |
| 09:46.56 | deprecatd | \amethyst: and its not filesystem dependant? |
| 09:47.14 | \amethyst | not all filesystems support it |
| 09:47.27 | \amethyst | but at least ext2/3, xfs, and reiser4 do |
| 09:47.31 | \amethyst | not sure about the others |
| 09:47.42 | deprecatd | that should cover my usage. |
| 09:47.54 | \amethyst | again, with a mount option |
| 09:48.01 | deprecatd | yep |
| 09:48.04 | Clockwise | adn: backuppc looked awful :) Why does it run all the backups on the user backuppc, i had several probs trying to make the correct rights for that user |
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| 09:49.55 | sep | Clockwise, don't know what you mean, just installed the backuppc package, and read a bit in the docs and it works great. takes backup of 25 servers, in a mix of windows and linux machines on a 6TB storage |
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| 09:51.38 | happla | Have anyone have problems with windowsboxes making the first letter in a unc-path uppercase ie. \\Machine\share instead of \\machine\share ? |
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| 09:55.59 | Wing | Okay. This isn't so much a Debian question as a Unix question in general. But lets say I have my root account on a box and have set up sudoers appropriately. How should I go about scrambling my root password in such a manner that even I don't know what it is anymore? |
| 09:56.37 | fireba11 | Wing : just disable root login AFTER you tested it working with sudo |
| 09:56.52 | subha | is there any way to authenticate users whenever they inserts usbs in there machines?that authentication is for mounting external hardwares in the machine |
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| 09:57.00 | Wing | fireball: Ah, I thought disabling root would also break sudo |
| 09:57.04 | fireba11 | Wing : though my approach is a 15-digit random password is save enough :-) |
| 09:57.18 | fireba11 | Wing : it just diesables login in directly as root |
| 09:57.22 | Wing | (I mean, it's not like I'm going to lose much time by nuking a 15-minute old OpenBSD) |
| 09:57.33 | Wing | It only takes what, 10 minutes to install the damn thing from FTP? |
| 09:58.34 | mazzanet | PXE over WiFi |
| 09:58.35 | mazzanet | discuss. |
| 09:59.45 | Wing | mazzanet: If you're looking for a wifi card with a PXE loader, you aren't gonna find one. But PXE booting with a wireless leg in the network works :P |
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| 10:01.06 | mazzanet | what about say a minimal kernel on a usb flash drive with wifi drivers? |
| 10:01.23 | sep | mazzanet, then you are not pxe booting, and that works |
| 10:01.37 | fireba11 | mazzanet : i'd considder wlan too unreliable for soemthing like that |
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| 10:01.44 | fireba11 | though |
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| 10:02.13 | mazzanet | the wifi would be just for inital booting and the odd data transfer |
| 10:02.43 | fireba11 | mazzanet : depends on your scenario if that is a good diea |
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| 10:04.38 | sep | mazzanet, you can not do initial booting on wifi. but you can have kernel on usb/flash/floppy/cdrom/hd/PXE (cable based) , and mount a disk from nfs across wifi if you must. |
| 10:04.47 | cyberfr0g | Hi |
| 10:05.15 | Wing | god dammit I hate going to bed with root terminals open. |
| 10:05.40 | Wing | But gnome isn't going to compile itself. |
| 10:05.53 | mazzanet | sep: yeah i realise that, might have to do some fiddling... |
| 10:05.56 | \amethyst | Wing: do you have cats? |
| 10:06.13 | mazzanet | minimal kernel here we come |
| 10:06.23 | cahoot | isn't that why one uses screen? |
| 10:06.24 | mazzanet | ooh i have 16mb usb flash drive here somewhere |
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| 10:06.33 | mazzanet | extra minimal here we come! |
| 10:07.23 | Wing | \amethyst: Fortunately, no. But still, I've been known to occasionally "wake up", find my way to the computer, and start banging away on code. |
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| 10:29.42 | BartVB | is there a way to test alignment of LVM/filesystem with your (mdadm) RAID5 except for trial and error? Are there statistics that indicate misalignment? |
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| 10:30.05 | hatter | do you know of a cloning software in etch like mondo ? |
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| 10:31.32 | sep | hatter, mondo is in etch. |
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| 10:32.06 | hatter | mondo wants to install a kernel |
| 10:32.24 | hatter | it didnt used to in sarge |
| 10:32.53 | hatter | last time i discovered this it went and installed the kernel and made it the default |
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| 10:33.10 | hatter | seriously... |
| 10:34.21 | Ronin | hatter: uh huh |
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| 10:41.03 | hatter | ronin, you have used mondo ? |
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| 10:41.03 | aisstar | Hello |
| 10:41.03 | aisstar | What is the command to update/refresh the db? Cant remember.... |
| 10:41.15 | petemc | updatedb, if "the" db is the locate db |
| 10:41.18 | Decepticon | updatedb |
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| 10:41.53 | Decepticon | what does this mean when i try to do 'ln /path/to/target Target' : hard link not allowed for directory |
| 10:42.31 | petemc | Decepticon: means you should use a softlink |
| 10:42.41 | petemc | ln -s |
| 10:43.03 | Decepticon | ahh, in the man it says 'symbolic' |
| 10:43.11 | petemc | right |
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| 10:43.21 | Decepticon | what is the difference between symbolic/soft and hardlinks? |
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| 10:43.58 | aisstar | petemc, THANKS! |
| 10:44.09 | aisstar | Decepticon, THANKS! |
| 10:44.33 | Decepticon | :) |
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| 10:46.20 | \amethyst | btw, if you really want a hardlink to a directory |
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| 10:46.39 | \amethyst | (that is, if the symbolic link semantics aren't quite right), you can try a bind mount |
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| 10:47.48 | np_complete | hey... I'm back.. from the grave... |
| 10:48.19 | Decepticon | how do i become another user from the shell, and not logging out? (not root) |
| 10:48.33 | simonrvn | su - user |
| 10:48.35 | Ronin | Decepticon: same as root, su - user |
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| 10:54.11 | hatter | when backing up root with tar i should exclude /proc and /sys is that it ? |
| 10:54.58 | cmihai | You should probably just use dump, and make sure you preserve permissions at MAC times, but yeah. |
| 10:55.27 | Decepticon | how do i make colors appear when i do ls? i tried ls --color=auto ... and ls color=always ... didnt seem to work |
| 10:55.42 | hatter | cmihai, dump instead of tar ? |
| 10:55.44 | cmihai | What's your $TERM set to? |
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| 10:55.55 | cmihai | hatter, yes, dump is the standard backup tool. |
| 10:57.03 | cmihai | Decepticon, anyway, try setting your terminal to xterm-color: "TERM=xterm-color; export TERM" if you're in a Bourne shell. Or "setevn TERM xterm-color" for a C Shell. |
| 10:58.44 | hatter | why would mondo want to install a kernel ? then actually install it as the running kernel ? i am missing somehting or is that a total joke ? |
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| 10:59.30 | hatter | i used to really like mondo in sarge... i must be missing something... |
| 10:59.33 | cmihai | hatter, also, as dump supports snapshots it can guarantee a consistent image of the system. Tar cannot (if files get written to disk and stuff). |
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| 11:00.21 | hatter | cmihai, ah, sounds good, i will investigate, i was going to use rsync , any reason not to rsync > |
| 11:00.26 | hatter | ? |
| 11:00.46 | cmihai | Well, rsync is good too but you should look at "rsync snapshot" "rsnapshot" or "rsync with snapshots" |
| 11:00.55 | petemc | or dirvish, or backuppc |
| 11:00.59 | sep | hatter, mondo installs mindi, and mindi is the tool to generate boot iso's forinstance |
| 11:01.00 | \amethyst | or faubackup |
| 11:01.00 | cmihai | Or Bacula or whatever. |
| 11:01.17 | happla | rsnapshot <3 |
| 11:01.18 | sep | and mindi depends on a lot of kernels in order to be able to generate boot images. |
| 11:02.32 | sep | and i guess you perhaps had a 686 kernel, but mindi wants to use a 486 kernel since it want to be able to boot on most devices independent of cpu type. adn if you have a older 686 and the 486 was a newer version you'd get your problem |
| 11:02.44 | sep | but if you installed the most recent 686 it would still be prefered. |
| 11:02.46 | cmihai | tar, cpio, pax all work fine hatter. The problem with using tools that access the files directly is MAC times... ctimes and such. It basically timestamps them when it backs them up. Also, permissions and consistency may be issues if you're using the wrong options. |
| 11:03.18 | cmihai | You can implement an incremental / differential backup system with tar too, but it's usually best to stick to tools that support this natively :-). |
| 11:04.20 | hatter | cmihai, so dump still sits on top with snapshots ? |
| 11:05.16 | cmihai | Well, dump is a bit cumbersome for single fire recovery and continous data protection. I'd say the rsync with snapshot features (rsnapshot and co) win here. |
| 11:05.23 | hatter | sep, modno actually installs a kernel and uses it, when i discovered this it set the kernel up then the box woudnlt boot ! |
| 11:05.32 | hatter | crazy stuff |
| 11:05.51 | hatter | cmihai, gr8, i will check out rsnapshot |
| 11:06.06 | cmihai | Is this for just one machine? |
| 11:06.37 | cmihai | (maybe I'm assuming too much here though... you do want a backup tool / policy right?) |
| 11:07.04 | hatter | cmihai, yes, but the number of machines i am looking after is growing, yes, a backup tool / policy |
| 11:07.15 | hatter | i have been reading about systemimager |
| 11:07.15 | cmihai | Oh. Maybe a backup server then? |
| 11:07.41 | hatter | cmihai, yes, so rsync wins again for only adjusting changes |
| 11:07.56 | cmihai | Well, what exactly are you trying to backup? Databases? Those are a lot more complex. File servers? Those are simple enough. Performing bare metal recovery (eg: system images)? |
| 11:08.02 | hatter | no databases |
| 11:08.12 | hatter | firewalls, routers, samba servers |
| 11:08.12 | cmihai | Oh, good. |
| 11:08.30 | cmihai | Do you want bare metal recovery? |
| 11:08.34 | hatter | yes to bare metal recovery, which is why i liked mondo |
| 11:08.54 | hatter | mondo is great, except for this kernel thing |
| 11:09.18 | cmihai | Hm... well, I wouldn't consider something like Clonezilla a backup server... I guess Mondo would still be the right tool for you. |
| 11:09.34 | cmihai | Anyway, it problably uses some kind of kernel module... |
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| 11:09.42 | hatter | i needed a kernel from backports for the ide for todays box, if i installed mondo it wouldnt boot witth an older kernel |
| 11:10.28 | sep | hatter, but a backport kernel shoudl have a nigher version then the one from mindi depends right ? |
| 11:10.40 | sep | just fix the order of the kernels and be ok |
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| 11:11.04 | sep | hatter, or alternativly install mindi without recomends |
| 11:11.43 | sep | hatter, i guess that's the difference between etch and sarge. sarge didn't install recomends as default , while i think etch installs recomends as fedault |
| 11:11.46 | hatter | sep, yeah i guess so, i was so surprised by the default behaviour of install a foreign kernel that i didnt feel like i wanted mondo anymore |
| 11:12.04 | sep | hatter, mindi have allways recommended the kernels afaik |
| 11:12.48 | snogglethorpe | anyone know if something's gotten screwed up with compiz, or with the X intel driver in unstable recently? |
| 11:13.13 | snogglethorpe | compiz used to work pretty well with my "low end" intel 845 chip |
| 11:13.15 | sep | hatter, so if you install minid without recomends first, then modo should be ok |
| 11:13.38 | snogglethorpe | but recently it seems extremly sluggish -- especially scrolling in e.g. firefox, which is glacial |
| 11:13.44 | hatter | aptitude has a without recommends flag ? |
| 11:13.59 | \amethyst | hatter: -R |
| 11:14.17 | hatter | \amethyst, sep, thx |
| 11:14.23 | hatter | cmihai, thx |
| 11:14.36 | cmihai | Well, good luck with that then :-) |
| 11:14.51 | hatter | have you used system imager ? |
| 11:15.00 | hatter | thx :) |
| 11:15.43 | hatter | did you say tar timestamps each file when it creates an archive ? |
| 11:15.52 | cmihai | hatter, look at CloneZilla too if this fails for you. |
| 11:16.13 | hatter | cool, i will thx |
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| 11:16.41 | hatter | clonezilla looks good |
| 11:16.59 | cmihai | Yeah, PXE is nice. |
| 11:17.23 | cmihai | It does multicast too |
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| 11:19.57 | sep | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:20.25 | cmihai | http://clonezilla.sourceforge.net/ |
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| 11:21.47 | hatter | oh, no debian package ? |
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| 11:22.35 | hatter | theres a live cd though, using etch |
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| 11:25.04 | hatter | great words on the website 'massively clone' |
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| 11:49.12 | norbert_ | hi, does anyone know the Debian package for the MySQL C API manpages? |
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| 11:50.42 | vb | I am trying to setup of Internet Connection Sharing on two ubuntu's , the client can ping the gateway but I am unable to browse websites, I just pinged www.google.com and I got unknown hot, when pinged the google ip, I got 84% with 7 packets recieved, what the hell is going on ? |
| 11:50.58 | simonrvn | #ubuntu --> |
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| 11:51.31 | norbert_ | guess I can use http://dev.mysql.com/doc/refman/6.0/en/c-api-functions.html |
| 11:52.16 | simonrvn | norbert_: * Re-add manpages, they are licensed under GPL now and redistribution is permitted. |
| 11:52.29 | simonrvn | norbert_: dunno if it's those you're talking about |
| 11:52.32 | jelly | simonrvn: when did that happen? |
| 11:52.41 | simonrvn | today, sid |
| 11:52.48 | simonrvn | er, yesterday late ;) |
| 11:52.49 | vb | I am trying to setup of Internet Connection Sharing on two ubuntu's , the client can ping the gateway but I am unable to browse websites, I just pinged www.google.com and I got unknown hot, when pinged the google ip, I got 84% with 7 packets recieved, what the hell is going on ? |
| 11:53.00 | simonrvn | vb: #ubuntu --> |
| 11:53.54 | norbert_ | simonrvn: I'm on stable, I'll use the on-line docs |
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| 11:56.02 | zinx | vb: ##windows |
| 11:56.15 | simonrvn | eh? |
| 11:56.29 | zinx | "Internet Connection Sharing" is a Microsoft name :P |
| 11:56.33 | SpeedyG | hehe |
| 11:56.37 | simonrvn | oh, that "Internet Connection Sharing"... missed that ;) |
| 11:56.55 | SpeedyG | didnt they name it in ubuntu the same? |
| 11:56.58 | Agiofws | anyone suing xchat in etch with a spell checker ? |
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| 11:57.06 | SpeedyG | Agiofws: <- irssi ;) |
| 11:57.06 | zinx | SpeedyG: heck if i know, i use Debian |
| 11:57.10 | simonrvn | nice catch. dunno |
| 11:57.11 | SpeedyG | zinx: same here |
| 11:57.12 | SpeedyG | :) |
| 11:57.15 | Agiofws | anyone using xchat in etch with a spell checker ? how can i do this ? |
| 11:57.28 | Agiofws | doi have to download from source and compile again |
| 11:57.29 | Agiofws | ? |
| 11:57.34 | simonrvn | Agiofws: no, i'm not suing xchat because of a lack of spellchecker |
| 11:57.43 | vb | zinx: I did not mean ICS of windows |
| 11:57.47 | Agiofws | simonrvn, ? |
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| 11:57.57 | simonrvn | Agiofws: it's ok ;) |
| 11:58.00 | zinx | vb: oh, then #ubuntu as simonrvn suggested (we don't know anything about ubuntu here) |
| 11:58.08 | jelly | vb: use the channel for your own distro, #ubuntu |
| 11:58.35 | sep | Agiofws, i think i have that. there are red lines under misspelled words. got it out of the box tho. |
| 11:58.42 | vb | jelly: they are ignorant :( |
| 11:58.54 | simonrvn | we hear that a lot lately... |
| 11:58.58 | jelly | vb: we don't want to hose your non-debian system |
| 11:59.00 | acc_ | Hello, #Debian. On one of my Lenny boxes, the last few times that I've run "aptitude safe-upgrade", I've seen a number of packages that are being kept back for some unknown reason. How can I remove this constraint? |
| 11:59.10 | zinx | vb: so are we, about Ubuntu. |
| 11:59.11 | simonrvn | ...sad |
| 11:59.30 | sep | !kept back |
| 11:59.31 | dpkg | from memory, kept back is when packages have not been upgraded even though newer versions are available. This happens if dependencies cannot be resolved, packages are on hold or you used "upgrade" not "dist-upgrade" and new packages need to be installed. To investigate, "apt-get -s install <kept-package>". Also see http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/69 |
| 11:59.43 | zinx | vb: we can give you Debian answers to Debian problems, but when the problem doesn't even have anything to do with Debian, we can't really be any help. |
| 11:59.49 | acc_ | sep: Thanks! |
| 11:59.54 | sep | acc_, just aptitude install packagesname |
| 12:00.00 | sep | or use aptitude full-upgrade |
| 12:00.07 | Agiofws | how do i chech for installed packages in debian ? |
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| 12:00.22 | idimmu | vb sounds like a lack of dns servers |
| 12:00.24 | zinx | vb: and the answers you get may be wrong even if the problem does exist in Debian, because there may be a different cause in your distribution :/ |
| 12:00.29 | sep | Agiofws, dpkg -la | grep somethingtosearchfor |
| 12:00.36 | idimmu | if you can ping ips but not resolve host names |
| 12:00.38 | Agiofws | ok |
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| 12:01.25 | acc_ | sep: Should I do a safe-upgrade before the full-upgrade or does it mater? |
| 12:01.27 | acc_ | matter |
| 12:02.27 | sep | acc_, it's not a bad idea to do it, becouse then you have a smaller list to look thru when checking what packages are added or removed |
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| 12:02.53 | sep | but it would work to go directly to full-upgrade too. it's a matter of personal preference |
| 12:03.03 | acc_ | Fantastic, thanks again. |
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| 12:03.47 | Agiofws | anyone have a spellchecker in xchat using debian if yes how did you enable it what diod you install ? |
| 12:04.01 | Agiofws | i have a spellchecker in OOO |
| 12:04.53 | Dantix | hi all, I have a "forgotten" and now I wan to install a package, at source.list says stable, but I'm not sure if that stable is sarge or etch, how can I know what is? |
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| 12:05.18 | simonrvn | it's etch, /topic |
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| 12:06.39 | Dantix | simonrvn: that was for me? |
| 12:06.59 | simonrvn | yes it was |
| 12:07.27 | Dantix | sorry, I'm not understanding.. |
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| 12:08.54 | simonrvn | read the /topic |
| 12:08.55 | fengor | he means: take a look at the topic |
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| 12:10.08 | Dantix | right, sorry again but what is the topic |
| 12:10.26 | simonrvn | you type /topic in your client |
| 12:10.55 | simonrvn | if this is xchat you can see it at the top |
| 12:11.34 | fengor | he isnt using x chat, but purple irc, but should be at the top there too i guess |
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| 12:11.50 | Dantix | right, I can see the topic |
| 12:13.04 | Dantix | so, where can I go with my answer? I know that with the glibcc version some people knows what distribution is... |
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| 12:18.44 | Thasp | damn this is annoying |
| 12:18.54 | Thasp | compiled a new kernel, using make oldconfig and the old .config file/ |
| 12:19.08 | Thasp | then all I changed were the network options for netfilter/iptables, so I'd have more compiled in |
| 12:19.23 | Thasp | it says it can't see /dev/hda3 as a root filesystem, and kernel panics on bootup |
| 12:19.31 | Thasp | what the heck is different? it's even the same kernel version. |
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| 12:21.59 | speeves | Thasp: it looks like the filesystem support is not compiled in |
| 12:22.04 | speeves | can your verify in the .config |
| 12:22.09 | speeves | that you used? |
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| 12:23.54 | Thasp | speeves, yes |
| 12:23.57 | Thasp | it's regular ext3 |
| 12:24.03 | jelly | Thasp: forgot the create (or use) the initrd image? |
| 12:24.07 | Thasp | wait a second.. |
| 12:24.13 | Thasp | ext3 journalling file system support is a module |
| 12:24.19 | Thasp | damn |
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| 12:24.30 | Thasp | that should be a *, not an M, I imagine? |
| 12:24.39 | Thasp | for an ext3 root parttition |
| 12:24.49 | Thasp | jelly, I didn't create or use an initrd image |
| 12:24.54 | Thasp | I have never done that when making a kernel before. |
| 12:25.03 | jelly | it either needs to be builtin, yes, or you need an initrd |
| 12:25.28 | Thasp | ok. |
| 12:25.32 | Thasp | how would I make an initrd? |
| 12:25.37 | Thasp | can I use the initrd from the previous kernel? |
| 12:26.13 | jelly | add --initrd to make-kpkg options when building the kernel package |
| 12:26.31 | speeves | Thasp: here's a great tutorial: http://www.eyrie.org/~eagle/notes/debian/kernel-build.html |
| 12:27.18 | Thasp | thanks a lot |
| 12:27.23 | speeves | sorry, wrong url :P Here is the great tutorial: http://myrddin.org/howto/debian-kernel-recompiling/ |
| 12:27.25 | Thasp | I see make-kpkg |
| 12:27.30 | Thasp | I was using make && make modules install |
| 12:28.16 | jelly | Thasp: initrd contains kernel modules, so no, you can't use an old one. if you didn't package I guess you'll have to build it yourself |
| 12:29.01 | jelly | Thasp: using initramfs-tools (and enabling support for initramfs in the kernel) |
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| 12:32.18 | thasp2 | initramfs source file is here in general setup |
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| 12:32.23 | jelly | http://kernel-handbook.alioth.debian.org/ |
| 12:34.00 | thasp2 | but it has () instead of [] |
| 12:34.09 | thasp2 | so you can't put a * or a M in it |
| 12:34.19 | jelly | thasp2: it gets a string value. You can leave it empty. |
| 12:34.19 | thasp2 | I am going to read that myrddin guide and follow that |
| 12:34.30 | thasp2 | and compile ext3 in as a * instead of an M |
| 12:34.34 | thasp2 | and make an initrd, and hope it works |
| 12:34.37 | thasp2 | thanks jelly :] |
| 12:34.50 | thasp2 | you've been a great help |
| 12:35.12 | thasp2 | I'm sure I can figure this out for myself at this point |
| 12:35.22 | thasp2 | I hope so. :( |
| 12:35.23 | thasp2 | bbl |
| 12:35.54 | jelly | I guess you just need CONFIG_BLK_DEV_INITRD=y |
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| 12:37.34 | Wedhus_Liar | Hello all |
| 12:38.20 | SpeedyG | snewp: a firewall with only one side? o_0 |
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| 12:39.01 | SpeedyG | imo a firewall is connected like -|-, not as |- , thats more like a dead-end to me |
| 12:39.22 | petemc | its also very common |
| 12:39.31 | acc_ | SpeedyG: Never heard of a one-armed router? |
| 12:39.31 | SpeedyG | or, it must be to protect that only host |
| 12:39.35 | SpeedyG | acc_: nope ? |
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| 12:39.49 | snewp | SpeedyG: yeah to protect for that particular host |
| 12:39.59 | acc_ | SpeedyG: VLANs make it possible. |
| 12:40.00 | petemc | snewp: protect it from what? |
| 12:40.13 | SpeedyG | acc_: ah |
| 12:40.19 | snewp | petemc: ddos |
| 12:40.21 | SpeedyG | acc_: now it starts making sense to me :) |
| 12:40.32 | petemc | snewp: you wont be able to |
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| 12:41.29 | snewp | petemc: ow, coz i've been testing the fw that i put but it's not working, and testing it, it was no go |
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| 12:42.09 | petemc | snewp: there isnt any software that runs on a host and protects it from ddos, you need to filter that shit at the edge of the network |
| 12:43.01 | snewp | petemc: do you know any link that i can read ? |
| 12:43.12 | petemc | not off hand, no |
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| 12:45.35 | F-Lelo | Hi guys... My kernel doesn't show up the option "Provide RTC interrup". How can I enable this? It seems to solve my tape problem... |
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| 12:47.42 | toad_ | what package contains /etc/updatedb.conf ? |
| 12:47.49 | toad_ | in testing, that is? |
| 12:49.10 | speeves | dpkg -S /etc/updatedb.conf |
| 12:49.10 | dpkg | Package: /etc/updatedb.conf: Status: install ok installed |
| 12:49.20 | Jyzygzel- | how to transform unix time in to normal time |
| 12:49.22 | speeves | $ Version:1.0 |
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| 12:49.40 | F-Lelo | Hi guys... My kernel doesn't show up the option "Provide RTC interrup". How can I enable this? It seems to solve my tape problem... |
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| 12:51.48 | stew | speeves: grep /etc/updatedb /var/lib/dpkg/info/*conffiles |
| 12:52.02 | barn | Jyzygzel-: perl on the command line, or date perhaps? |
| 12:52.27 | soroush | Can anybody help me with installing linux from cd image? |
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| 12:53.49 | tristian | Jyzygzel-, date -d @1234567 |
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| 12:54.44 | Ronin | soroush: more specific please |
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| 12:55.38 | soroush | Ronin, i wanna install ubuntu without writing all cds |
| 12:56.04 | soroush | i've just written the first cd |
| 12:56.32 | xlotlu | and what does that have to do with debian? |
| 12:56.35 | Ronin | soroush: then ask in #ubuntu |
| 12:56.38 | happla | soroush: you will be asked for your netconnection and then you can select an online repository fro the packages. |
| 12:56.47 | happla | soroush: And what they said |
| 12:57.26 | soroush | i expect it will be able to continue installation from other cd image which is on one of my system fat drives |
| 12:57.44 | soroush | xlotlu, i didn't get any answer in #ubuntu |
| 12:58.06 | xlotlu | soroush: then maybe you should install another distro ;) |
| 12:58.18 | soroush | and this will be a practice I will want to use for other linux distro |
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| 12:58.25 | toad_ | dpkg: /etc/updatedb.conf not found. |
| 12:58.28 | toad_ | :) |
| 12:58.39 | toad_ | okay that's just some temporary breakage in testing then |
| 12:59.23 | soroush | is it possible to install linux if the images are on my windows drives? |
| 12:59.45 | toad_ | the easies thing is to burn a disk and install from that |
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| 13:00.21 | happla | soroush: Do the machine you are installing have an internet connection? |
| 13:00.23 | xlotlu | soroush: if you can mount the windows partition, then yes |
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| 13:00.43 | soroush | happla, it has but it's not fast |
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| 13:01.48 | giupy | hi all |
| 13:01.52 | xlotlu | soroush: once you manage to mount the windows drive: mount -o loop the_image.iso /somewhere; apt-cdrom -d /somewhere add |
| 13:01.57 | soroush | the reason I don't burn is I will need to keep my linux update and I might need to do this every month so it is wise to install from cd image |
| 13:02.13 | Ronin | soroush: try #ubuntu as thats what you are installing or ##linux for general questions |
| 13:02.21 | giupy | what do i need to copy mp3 to an old ipod shuffle? can i mount it like an usb pen and copy my files on it ? |
| 13:02.37 | happla | soroush: Just install from dvd =) |
| 13:02.43 | xlotlu | soroush: but if you have a reasonable internet connection you don't need to bother with using more than 1 cd. you can install directly from the web |
| 13:03.17 | soroush | xlotlu, really sorry for choosing #debian but for ending this question |
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| 13:04.11 | happla | soroush: Maybe try to answer the questions presented to you |
| 13:04.22 | xlotlu | soroush: it says so in the topic ^^. but if you need to get answers without getting your karma rating trashed, better not tell people you're using that other.. thing :) |
| 13:04.44 | happla | !karma happla |
| 13:04.45 | dpkg | happla has neutral karma |
| 13:04.48 | DustyBin | why are the default users home directory permissions set to: drwxr-xr-x ? why should anyone be allowed to enter a users directory? |
| 13:05.06 | happla | DustyBin: Because everyone who uses linux are communists |
| 13:05.28 | happla | DustyBin: it's just one of the settings, you get asked when you install what you want the default behaviour for homedirectories to be. |
| 13:05.34 | soroush | xlotlu, i see. this is #debian . I was wrong. but my laptop tends to support ubuntu better. thanks anyway |
| 13:05.37 | DustyBin | happla: surely the default settings should be: drwxr-x--- ? |
| 13:05.51 | happla | DustyBin: Thats like... your opinion |
| 13:06.17 | DustyBin | happla: allowing anyone to roam into users directories is common-security-sense, no no! |
| 13:06.37 | DustyBin | i thought the bastards at debian would of known better :P |
| 13:06.38 | happla | DustyBin: well, not like its rocket sience to change it |
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| 13:06.59 | happla | DustyBin: who cares, and you get the question during install "Do you want world readable home directories" |
| 13:07.08 | DustyBin | i didnt get that question? |
| 13:07.17 | DustyBin | using the net-installer? |
| 13:07.38 | Asmooh | you always get it |
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| 13:07.46 | Ronin | then remove world readable DustyBin its a simple command |
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| 13:08.43 | happla | DustyBin: ${EDITOR} /etc/adduser.conf |
| 13:08.57 | DustyBin | ok |
| 13:09.05 | happla | # If DIR_MODE is set, directories will be created with the specified |
| 13:09.05 | happla | # mode. Otherwise the default mode 0755 will be used. |
| 13:09.05 | happla | DIR_MODE=0755 |
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| 13:09.20 | DustyBin | guys, ive found a old pair of dirty, smelly socks, inside: lost+found, do they belong to anybody |
| 13:09.47 | happla | DIR_MODE=0537 |
| 13:09.59 | DustyBin | 0750 |
| 13:10.07 | Assid | hrmm |
| 13:10.13 | Assid | anyone here played with jabber? |
| 13:10.22 | asg | !anyone |
| 13:10.22 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone uses <someprogram>. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use <someprogram>?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls> |
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| 13:11.17 | Assid | need some help getting started with jabber servers |
| 13:11.43 | Assid | only to find out there is ejabberd and jabberd which are 2 different things |
| 13:11.55 | asg | Assid: then ask #jabber |
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| 13:13.20 | Assid | yeah |
| 13:13.25 | Assid | no one there by the looks of it |
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| 13:13.53 | goodhabit | Hello. What difference have aptitude and apt-get? Where I can read official documentation about it? Is aptitude replacement of apt-get? Is apt-get deprecated (heard somewhere). |
| 13:14.15 | asg | Assid: there is a website, a wiki, and you'll find a comparison between available jabber implementations. When you find one you like, see if debian has it (apt-cache search <keywords>) |
| 13:14.53 | asg | goodhabit: aptitude has better dependency resolution and other niceties. It is encouraged going forward. |
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| 13:15.01 | stew | goodhabit: aptitude has better searching and more sophisticated dependency/conflict resolution. aptitude is a replacement of apt-get. apt-get is not deprecated |
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| 13:15.51 | goodhabit | stew, thanks a lot. Bless you. |
| 13:15.53 | goodhabit | :o) |
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| 13:16.43 | Assid | asg: heres something funny pymsnt suggests jabberd2, however apt- cant find that |
| 13:17.31 | F-Lelo | Hi guys... My kernel doesn't show up the option "Provide RTC interrup". How can I enable this? It seems to solve my tape problem... |
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| 13:18.13 | soroush | thanks all for your help |
| 13:18.47 | Agiofws | anyone using etcH + xchat and spellcheking enabled ? |
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| 13:19.02 | cmihai | Agiofws, yes. |
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| 13:19.18 | Agiofws | cmihai, can you help me ? |
| 13:19.19 | asg | Assid: jabberd2 isn't in etch |
| 13:19.20 | hark | Assid: it's a virtual package |
| 13:19.20 | cmihai | Agiofws, you need to install aspell and aspell-en for it to work. |
| 13:19.36 | Agiofws | i think i have that wait let me see |
| 13:19.52 | Agiofws | cmihai, what dirs do i check ? |
| 13:19.57 | akaroa | How do you change a path on debian4.0? I need to use python2.5 instead of 2.4.4. When i type python I get 2.4.4 instead of 2.5 |
| 13:20.02 | cmihai | Use dpkg... |
| 13:20.16 | cmihai | Or just "aptitude install xchat aspell aspell-en ispell" |
| 13:20.20 | asg | Assid: if you want to use that version, you can always compile it and stuff it in /usr/local. There may be a backport from testing/sid if it's been packaged (/msg dpkg backports) |
| 13:20.21 | cmihai | And restart XChat. |
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| 13:20.41 | cmihai | It should highlight spelling errors, and you can right click to correct them (it gives you options) |
| 13:20.45 | Agiofws | cmihai, lapi:/home/agiofws# dpkg -la | grep aspell |
| 13:20.45 | Agiofws | ii libaspell15 0.60.4-4 GNU Aspell spell-checker runtime library |
| 13:20.52 | stew | akaroa: if you need python2.5, change the shebang in your scripts to by "#!/usr/bin/python2.5" instead of "#!/usr/bin/python" |
| 13:21.05 | Agiofws | ? |
| 13:21.14 | cmihai | Agiofws, yes, that's not it :-). I told you, aspell, aspell-en and for good measure ispell (probably not needed) :-) |
| 13:21.25 | Agiofws | ok |
| 13:21.32 | cmihai | "aptitude install aspell aspell-en ispell xchat" -> run that, restart XChat |
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| 13:24.01 | triplc | hi all |
| 13:24.10 | triplc | what is a command line program (for bash scripting) that copy stdout to gtk clipboard and from clipboard back to stdout? i tried "xsel", and "xclip"... but those programs are for X clipboard and they are not unicode safe |
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| 13:25.52 | sneex | o_O |
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| 13:27.58 | artagnon | how do I map my middle mouse button to a key on my keyboard? I'm using a laptop without a middle mouse button |
| 13:28.25 | asg | artagnon: usually, hitting both left + right buttons at the same time will emulate a middle button |
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| 13:28.51 | asg | artagnon: also, shift + insert will also activate the same paste action as the middle button |
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| 13:29.25 | sep | Agiofws, it would annoy me |
| 13:29.51 | DustyBin | does rtorrent need to be chrooted? to get torrents working properly one needs to forward ports on the router? could rtorrent be easily comprimised? |
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| 13:30.22 | artagnon | the shift-insert trick doesn't work on gui applications |
| 13:30.39 | artagnon | the l+r mb trick works fine though, thanks |
| 13:30.52 | artagnon | is there no way to map it to a key on the keyboard though? |
| 13:31.02 | zinx | shift-insert usually pastes from the clipboard rather than the cut buffer |
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| 13:31.29 | artagnon | zinx: right |
| 13:31.40 | Agiofws | annoy what ? sep ? |
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| 13:32.17 | asg | artagnon: try xmodmap |
| 13:32.20 | zinx | artagnon: it may be possible to bind a key to the middle mouse button, but you can also use shift-numlock to turn the numeric keypad in to a mouse-like device |
| 13:32.50 | zinx | i don't know off-hand which button is the middle one when you're using it like that |
| 13:32.51 | artagnon | asg: I thought of using it too.. only I don't know the mmb's keycode/keysym |
| 13:33.00 | artagnon | xev doesn't turn up anything useful either |
| 13:33.00 | asg | artagnon: use xev to find those |
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| 13:33.22 | artagnon | zinx: I'll try that |
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| 13:34.03 | artagnon | zinx: oh, the laptop doesn't have a numpad, sorry :P |
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| 13:34.42 | artagnon | asg: just try running xev... I can't find the keysym for mouse buttons in the output |
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| 13:35.13 | stew | DustyBin: no, no, and not as far as we know |
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| 13:35.44 | Assid | asg: know how to access ejabberd's web interface |
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| 13:46.27 | DustyBin | *copying |
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| 13:46.55 | happla | DustyBin: wget? |
| 13:47.01 | happla | DustyBin: wget [url] |
| 13:47.26 | fengor | wget is definately the right tool for the job :) |
| 13:47.36 | happla | wget <3 |
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| 13:47.42 | happla | wget -r -np -nc |
| 13:47.58 | DustyBin | oh yes wget i forgot about that |
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| 13:48.06 | fengor | what was nc? np was no parent right? |
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| 13:49.36 | happla | fengor: no-clobber |
| 13:49.44 | fengor | ah ok |
| 13:49.58 | DustyBin | when i wget a torrent i get: Tracker: [Failure reason "unregistered torrent pass"] using wget |
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| 13:50.23 | stew | DustyBin: you can just paste a url to a torrent directly into rtorrent |
| 13:50.39 | DustyBin | aye ok |
| 13:50.43 | happla | works with the pirate bay |
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| 13:51.09 | DustyBin | warez talk in debian, whatever next hey :P |
| 13:51.19 | happla | warez? |
| 13:51.25 | happla | wget "http://torrents.thepiratebay.org/3886170/Ubuntu_7.10_Desktop_(i386)_ISO.3886170.TPB.torrent" |
| 13:51.31 | DustyBin | i just saw the word pirate :P |
| 13:51.42 | cmihai | happla, Oh, that's much worse :-) |
| 13:51.46 | happla | cmihai: haha |
| 13:52.01 | happla | wget "http://torrents.thepiratebay.org/3795842/Debian_4.0_ETCH.iso.3795842.TPB.torrent" |
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| 13:52.05 | happla | better? =) |
| 13:52.07 | cmihai | Besides, you should grab ISO's from really shady sources.. even if you DO validate the MD5 hashes... |
| 13:52.12 | cmihai | No, still bad :-) |
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| 13:52.41 | cmihai | The Debian project supplies official torrents. |
| 13:52.50 | happla | cmihai: wuss =) |
| 13:53.05 | happla | cmihai: valid point, but you are sitll a wuss =) |
| 13:53.21 | cmihai | http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/4.0_r1/amd64/bt-dvd/ |
| 13:53.28 | cmihai | Note the R1 |
| 13:53.50 | happla | Was however just making the point that wget teom tpb works |
| 13:53.55 | happla | for torrents, on a debian etch-box =) |
| 13:53.59 | cmihai | Also note the hashes (MD5 and SHA-1) and PGP signatures. |
| 13:54.18 | happla | I just wget the netinst.iso |
| 13:54.23 | happla | swoosh |
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| 13:55.14 | happla | 14:55:08 (10.60 MB/s) - `debian-40r1-amd64-netinst.iso' saved [155549696] |
| 13:55.24 | happla | mmm |
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| 13:58.47 | cockroach | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:59.28 | happla | cockroach: you can try umount -f -l /mount/point |
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| 14:00.07 | stew | cockroach: try "fuser -m /mount/point" to see what fils on that drive are open |
| 14:00.11 | cockroach | happla: ah, nice, didn't know about -l |
| 14:00.21 | happla | cockroach: it worked? |
| 14:00.29 | cockroach | stew: sorry, unmounted |
| 14:01.08 | cockroach | happla: well, sort of. it's unmounted now, but the system hasn't recovered yet (still can't run ps) |
| 14:01.10 | happla | stew: I didnt know about fuser |
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| 14:02.25 | leikh | how can I see what shell I'm using? |
| 14:02.32 | asg | leikh: echo $SHELL |
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| 14:02.49 | darrh00 | !dpkg udeb |
| 14:02.59 | asg | darrh00: /msg dpkg udeb |
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| 14:03.36 | cockroach | hrm, i force-unloaded usb storage, now dmesg gets spammed with "scsi 7:0:0:0: rejecting I/O to dead device"... |
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| 14:04.38 | asg | cockroach: did you have a usb storage device mounted at the time? If so umount it (you'll probably need to force it or do a lazy umount though) |
| 14:05.25 | w4r | newbie question: how do I check which version of debian I use? |
| 14:05.47 | Knight_Lord | Can anyone point out resources to configure IPoIB in debian? |
| 14:05.55 | cockroach | asg: yes, i unmounted it lazily (before force-unloading the module) |
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| 14:06.03 | asg | w4r: /msg dpkg debian version |
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| 14:06.25 | cahoot | lsb_release -a? |
| 14:07.24 | jelly | cahoot: it says my lenny/sid is actually sarge ;-) |
| 14:07.36 | w4r | cahoot: ah yes. thanks |
| 14:07.37 | cahoot | jelly: someones fooled |
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| 14:08.13 | cockroach | well, it seems i have to reboot, since i can't get the system back in a working state... |
| 14:08.18 | asg | cockroach: hmmm, make sure you don't have any processes using the mountpoint |
| 14:08.32 | happla | cockroach: if you can reboot, just do it |
| 14:08.38 | cockroach | asg: can't really make sure of that, lsof stopped working... |
| 14:08.45 | asg | cockroach: and fuser? |
| 14:08.51 | cockroach | happla: i can, but it always feels so dirty :) |
| 14:09.13 | asg | cockroach: not at all, it's a good way to clean those dirty buffers |
| 14:09.29 | cockroach | fuser hangs, too |
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| 14:09.52 | asg | cockroach: then you need to reboot (or take it to runlevel 1 to see if that fixes things) |
| 14:10.03 | cockroach | asg: well, when i grew up, rebooting was the windows way of fixing things :) |
| 14:10.11 | jelly | cockroach: if you do a strace fuser ... you might catch which process does it choke on |
| 14:10.16 | cockroach | ah, initersting. |
| 14:10.32 | jelly | or just reboot |
| 14:10.41 | cockroach | ah, indeed |
| 14:10.44 | asg | cockroach: even still, sometimes you can make a system so unstable that it is the only reasonable solution. |
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| 14:11.58 | cockroach | hmm, can't seem to kill the process fuser chokes on (even with -9), i suppose i really have to reboot. what a pity :) - thanks anyway! |
| 14:13.03 | stew | cockroach: what is the process? what state is it in? |
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| 14:13.26 | asg | stew: I'd expect Tenacious D |
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| 14:14.37 | vonluger | can i use repo of wine for gutsy in debian lenny?? or it's dangerous?? |
| 14:15.24 | asg | vonluger: dangerous (like Crocodile Snogging) |
| 14:15.24 | stew | asg: :) |
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| 14:16.07 | stew | vonluger: why do you specifically want the one from gutsy? |
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| 14:16.21 | vonluger | if i want wine 0.9.51 in debian lenny how i can?? |
| 14:16.34 | b0rsuk | Hey, what distros are good for booting from USB ? Not installing, live mode. |
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| 14:17.12 | stew | vonluger: "/msg dpkg simple sid backport" but instead of using a sid deb-src line, use one for whatever repository has the 0.9.51 .deb |
| 14:17.18 | b0rsuk | For 2 days I tried to boot kubuntu and ubuntu from USB, but it acts as if USB pendrive was not there. Debian boots, but I need live mode. |
| 14:17.24 | stew | vonluger: this will tell you how to compile the source against your lenny libraries |
| 14:17.36 | vonluger | can i use repo wine etch in lenny ?? stew |
| 14:17.38 | stew | b0rsuk: please go to #ubuntu for help with ubuntu |
| 14:17.39 | cockroach | stew: the process was Thunar, but anyway, it's gone now. after the world's dirtiest reboot (thank god there are power buttons)... :) |
| 14:17.50 | b0rsuk | stew : please learn to read. |
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| 14:18.17 | b0rsuk | I asked one question and none related to ubuntu. |
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| 14:18.48 | stew | b0rsuk: i know how to read. i didn't see a question at all |
| 14:18.53 | fengor | not related to debian either b0rsuk |
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| 14:19.01 | b0rsuk | 15:16 < b0rsuk> Hey, what distros are good for booting from USB ? Not installing, live mode. |
| 14:19.06 | stew | b0rsuk: not debian |
| 14:19.14 | stew | b0rsuk: try ##linux |
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| 14:19.15 | vonluger | stew, if i use repo for etch in lenny ? it's ok? |
| 14:19.25 | b0rsuk | Ok |
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| 14:19.40 | asg | b0rsuk: Debian runs just fine from a USB stick if your hardware works in that mode |
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| 14:20.05 | asg | b0rsuk: my NSLU2 uses a 2G usb stick. |
| 14:20.16 | ohok | Anyone know why I get the following message when pasting in a terminal with nothing in the selection buffer: |
| 14:20.19 | stew | but not a "live" mode |
| 14:20.20 | ohok | xmlns:b="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:publisher" |
| 14:20.29 | vonluger | stew, .... |
| 14:20.33 | ohok | driving me crazy where that is coming from! |
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| 14:20.51 | asg | stew: whatever that means. This seems pretty live to me, unless I'm dreaming again. |
| 14:20.56 | ohok | There is nothing m$ on my machine which is a debian box |
| 14:21.04 | stew | vonluger: maybe. you are not likely to do damage installing etch binaries onto lenny, but they are also not guranteed to be compatible |
| 14:21.16 | stew | vonluger: and etch will have an older version of wine, not a newer version. |
| 14:21.25 | mbroeker | b0rsuk, i used knoppix for a while on my pen drive and needed some space for my personal files on the same stick. i use dsl now and have a lot of free pendrive space... |
| 14:21.27 | stew | vonluger: if you are going to recompile sources, you can use whatever will compile |
| 14:21.35 | asg | ohok: it's just some office program using a microsoft published xml/xslt schema. |
| 14:21.56 | vonluger | stew, o know so if i want the newer version i must compile! |
| 14:22.03 | cockroach | hrm, aren't harddrives supposed to realize when they have unreadable sectors and stop using them? or is there a way i can manually interfere and say "this file uses broken sectors. don't ever read it." |
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| 14:22.07 | cockroach | ? |
| 14:22.18 | asg | cockroach: badblocks |
| 14:22.18 | stew | vonluger: yes |
| 14:22.26 | vonluger | stew, thx |
| 14:22.32 | ohok | asg- why is it appearing on my debian box (I get what &kind* of a message it is) |
| 14:22.42 | cockroach | asg: cool, thanks! |
| 14:22.46 | asg | ohok: what programs are you running? |
| 14:22.57 | ohok | this is in the terminal |
| 14:23.11 | asg | cockroach: iirc, there's only a limited number of remapable blocks. Once that limit is reached, the drive can do nothing. |
| 14:23.19 | ohok | and I have no m$ installed on machine, have not opened any m$ generated docs |
| 14:23.22 | b0rsuk | asg : my point exactly. I have Asus P5K SE motherboard, with Marvel chipset (controler, I think), and it's notorious for not recognizing dvd drives. And other stuff. I brought kubuntu up because it manages to detect my dvd drive. But I need copy 1 cd and 1 dvd to hdd, to debian partition, and I can't do that if I boot from kubuntu cd. It doesn't even let me eject cd. So I need another distro and hope it will recognize dvd drive. Lenny doesn't |
| 14:23.28 | asg | ohok: and what have you started from that terminal? |
| 14:23.33 | ohok | vi |
| 14:23.39 | cockroach | asg: sounds reasonable. |
| 14:23.43 | asg | ohok: what else is running on your machine? |
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| 14:23.51 | ohok | not even X |
| 14:24.03 | ohok | just freenode, vi and ssh all in their own terminal |
| 14:24.06 | b0rsuk | mbroeker : I know about knoppix, but last time I checked it required a fair amount of tweaking to set it up on USB. BUt I'll try it out if there's no option left. |
| 14:24.10 | ohok | oh and alsa mixer in a 4th tty |
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| 14:24.41 | b0rsuk | asg : NSLU2 is a linux distribution ? |
| 14:24.43 | ohok | anyway it was just driving me mad to see a mystery m$ message in my paste buffer |
| 14:24.44 | cockroach | asg: the big question is, though, whether a) i can still delete the file (should imho be possible) and b) whether the disk is going to try and re-use the broken parts... |
| 14:24.54 | mbroeker | b0rsuk, dont waste the space. use dsl linux... |
| 14:25.07 | asg | b0rsuk: no, it's linksys/cisco mini-nas that can be used to run Debian. |
| 14:25.12 | ohok | but make sure you call it DARN small linux on family safe channels |
| 14:25.15 | ohok | :-) |
| 14:25.17 | b0rsuk | how about grml ? Anyone tried grml ? |
| 14:25.36 | b0rsuk | dsl . HMm. Right. |
| 14:25.54 | h3sp4wn | b0rsuk: Its a convenient way to install Debian (using the debian2hd script) |
| 14:26.01 | asg | cockroach: have you fsck'd the drive? |
| 14:26.19 | ohok | (also not something you want to say on a family safe channel) |
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| 14:26.30 | cockroach | asg: it's FAT (an mp3 player) |
| 14:26.35 | asg | cockroach: oh |
| 14:26.51 | cockroach | yep :) |
| 14:26.58 | b0rsuk | ohok : for one, grml has fire&forget way to install debian via bootstrap (grml-debootstrap) . I have reasons to suspect debootstrap was invented by grml. |
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| 14:27.53 | b0rsuk | I installed Lenny via debootstrap, and it was a bit scary at first. I had no choice, Etch doesn't recognize either dvdrom, or network card, or both. |
| 14:27.54 | stew | b0rsuk: debootstrap was NOT invented by grml. it was written by a previous debian project leader |
| 14:27.58 | ohok | The thing that I would like is a totally transparent way to do nw installs |
| 14:28.13 | stew | b0rsuk: what chipset is the dvdrom attached to? |
| 14:28.18 | b0rsuk | stew : That would make sense considering it's named DEbootstrap |
| 14:28.54 | b0rsuk | I don't exactly remember now, but it's some kind of Marvel or Marvell. Infamous for causing problems. It was supposedly fixed 2 kernels ago or something, but apparently not. |
| 14:29.00 | b0rsuk | Anyway, Asus P5K SE motherboard. |
| 14:29.23 | stew | b0rsuk: /msg dpkg kmuto |
| 14:29.31 | b0rsuk | I know network card is Attansic and doesn't work pre-2.6.20 without extra drivers. |
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| 14:30.32 | b0rsuk | See, I knew #debian was the right place to ask. On #ubuntu, they have no clue. |
| 14:31.04 | stew | #ubuntu would certainly be the wrong place to ask about getting etch working with newer kernels |
| 14:31.06 | ohok | no clues on #ubuntu? what is the world coming to? |
| 14:31.49 | fengor | hmm which tool is best used to resize partitions so that i can make a new partition for debootsttrap to use? don't want to loose data on that machine |
| 14:32.28 | asg | fengor: take a look at parted |
| 14:32.48 | fengor | thanks asg |
| 14:33.34 | buscon | Hi, I've followed this short guide http://bstheme.sourceforge.net/ |
| 14:33.38 | buscon | to debian bootsplash |
| 14:33.39 | b0rsuk | stew : dpkg says kmuto is for sarge and etch. It doesn't surprise me considering Lenny doesn't have nvidia-glx, for example (due to lack of maintenance) |
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| 14:33.53 | buscon | but still no bootsplash... |
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| 14:34.17 | buscon | how can I debug the problem? is there a peculiar log ? |
| 14:34.25 | telmich | is it possible that vlc is not in lenny (anymore)? |
| 14:34.41 | stew | telmich: it hasn't been in lenny for many months |
| 14:34.51 | telmich | stew: why that? |
| 14:35.09 | stew | b0rsuk: there is no reason to make an image for lenny, as the lenny installers already have the lastest kernel |
| 14:35.25 | b0rsuk | stew : So it won't get any better with kmuto, either ? |
| 14:35.41 | stew | b0rsuk: in what way do you attribute the lack of nvidia-glx in lenny as a lack of maintainence? |
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| 14:36.16 | b0rsuk | I mean my dvd drive. But honestly, I don't really need to fix my dvd drive now, I can wait until they make it work in Lenny or even later distro. I just need to boot some distro from USB and copy cdrom/DVD to hdd and reboot to debian. |
| 14:36.19 | DustyBin | anybody remember the name of that terminal based mp3 player, i think it uses ncurses ? |
| 14:36.27 | stew | telmich: it was removed for a flac transition a long time ago and hasn't yet made it back in waiting on dependencies: /msg dpkg why is vlc not in testing |
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| 14:36.42 | telmich | stew: thanks |
| 14:36.43 | b0rsuk | stew : so I'm reluctant to try bootable USB stick with Debian, because it's likely to NOT recognize my dvdrom |
| 14:36.46 | stew | b0rsuk: i can't tell you what will improve or not without knowing what chipset the dvd drive is attached to |
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| 14:37.02 | mbroeker | DustyBin, mp3blaster? |
| 14:37.09 | b0rsuk | stew : In what way ? In http://wiki.debian.org way . |
| 14:37.12 | DustyBin | doesnt ring a bell but it might be it |
| 14:37.39 | stew | b0rsuk: somehow the wiki has somehting to do with nvidia-glx not being in lenny? i'm not sure i'm following you |
| 14:37.44 | b0rsuk | stew : wiki.debian.org says nvidia-glx is not in testing due to lack of maintenance. I installed it non-debian way, so I shouldn't really care now. |
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| 14:38.22 | stew | b0rsuk: where does it say that? |
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| 14:38.33 | stew | b0rsuk: its not in lenny becuase it is waiting on xorg 7.3 afaik |
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| 14:38.34 | b0rsuk | stew : I assume wiki.debian.org is NOT written by windows fanboys, so it probably has more less accurate data. |
| 14:38.41 | DustyBin | mbroeker: yes it was mp3blaster, thanks |
| 14:38.50 | stew | windows fanboys? |
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| 14:39.12 | b0rsuk | stew : Why are you asking ? Are you going to edit it ? :-) |
| 14:39.14 | stew | b0rsuk: if it is saying that nvidia-glx is not in testing due to a lack of maintainence, that would be innacurrate |
| 14:39.19 | stew | b0rsuk: probably |
| 14:39.20 | b0rsuk | To make it politically correct ? |
| 14:39.35 | stew | b0rsuk: to make it accurate |
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| 14:39.58 | b0rsuk | stew : here you are |
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| 14:40.00 | b0rsuk | http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers#head-816174f32ba98061bdd68615838ee453646721f1 |
| 14:40.09 | b0rsuk | stew : and what's the real reason ? |
| 14:40.20 | stew | b0rsuk: /msg dpkg why is nvidia-glx not in testing |
| 14:40.43 | b0rsuk | stew : I heard a rumor it's because of some idealogical / closed / open source issues |
| 14:41.47 | stew | b0rsuk: its becuase nvidia-glx is non-free that it is not included in debian at all |
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| 14:42.08 | stew | b0rsuk: it is, however distributed by debian in its non-free repositories instead. its not in the testing non-free repositories becuase it is waiting on xorg, not due to a lack of maintainence |
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| 14:42.38 | b0rsuk | stew : are you a mathematician ? It says it's not in testing because it's waiting on xorg or something. And it's waiting (presumably) because they need time to test it. So 'lack of maintenance' is not a far stretch. |
| 14:42.40 | yveslu | hi, my debian server gets it's IP-configuration via dhcp, how can I set it up that also the hostname gets modified by the dhcp-server? |
| 14:42.59 | b0rsuk | stew : I added non-free and it didn't help |
| 14:43.19 | stew | b0rsuk: i am not a mathemeticain. why on earth would you ask me that? |
| 14:43.38 | b0rsuk | stew : mathematicians tend to be _very_ picky. |
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| 14:43.53 | stew | b0rsuk: no, its waiting becuase xorg is only 4 days old, and it needs to be 10 days to move to testing becuase it is a low priority uplaod |
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| 14:44.01 | stew | uhh, if i'm being too picky, i'll just stop |
| 14:44.04 | stew | sorry to bother you |
| 14:44.12 | Nyle | stew: :) |
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| 14:45.39 | LoneTech | yveslu: it seems to be the default to do that in dhclient-script, so I'd guess you just add hostname as an entry for your host in the dhcp server? |
| 14:46.06 | Noboru | what command do you guys use to reboot debian ? |
| 14:46.10 | yveslu | LoneTech: I will try that, thanks |
| 14:46.12 | fengor | init 6 |
| 14:46.48 | HardDisk_WP | hi all |
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| 14:47.09 | Noboru | yes fengor ,i used to,and always do that too |
| 14:47.13 | HardDisk_WP | can someone please guide me how to compile a busybox static for a 2.4 kernel on a debian testing/2.6.23 system? |
| 14:47.15 | Noboru | fengor, but now it stops working hmmm |
| 14:47.28 | Noboru | fengor, i run 'init 6' seems it does not work |
| 14:47.47 | SunRaycerL | is the lenny amd64 CD installation image known to be broken? it seems to be looking for kernel modules on a broken path. |
| 14:47.52 | b0rsuk | Noboru : is that a tricky question ? |
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| 14:48.15 | Noboru | b0rsuk, it is my production server,and i dont get it |
| 14:48.50 | Noboru | b0rsuk, its like this,well, afte i ran init 6, ssh was still connected |
| 14:49.05 | b0rsuk | Noboru : Ok, I have no experience with servers, I guess 'reboot' is too simple for you. |
| 14:49.18 | stew | Noboru: i have always just used 'reboot'. but 'telenit 6' should also work |
| 14:49.21 | Noboru | b0rsuk, and i check, httpd was shutdown,and ...then i couldn't wait just call the data-centre to reboot it manually |
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| 14:49.50 | b0rsuk | Noboru : I'm afraid I can't help you. |
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| 14:50.01 | Noboru | hi stew,could it be the long uptime ? that server was on for 26 days |
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| 14:50.13 | Noboru | b0rsuk, np. |
| 14:50.15 | timholum_work1 | good morning |
| 14:50.30 | b0rsuk | Good evening, timholum_work1 |
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| 14:51.20 | Noboru | stew, telenit ? typo ? |
| 14:51.32 | stew | Noboru: not a typo |
| 14:51.46 | Noboru | -bash: telenit: command not found |
| 14:51.47 | stew | Noboru: and no, the uptime has nothing to do with it |
| 14:52.03 | asg | telinit |
| 14:52.05 | stew | Noboru: oh, telinit, sorry, i guess it was a typo :) |
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| 14:52.33 | Noboru | so telinit 6 and init 6 simple do the same thing but with differences ? |
| 14:52.38 | asg | stew: telenit sounds like a procomm clone from the bbs days |
| 14:52.53 | Noboru | i mean,which one is more strickly ? |
| 14:53.10 | strav | hi! Just installed debian from minimal cd... Now I'm having some issue with suspending (although I have acpi packages installed). I've got a message during the installating telling that there was a problem with swap and that it could affect software suspend but I think it resolved itself. Any suggestion? |
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| 14:54.24 | stew | Noboru: there is probably not a difference |
| 14:54.42 | Noboru | I see,so telinit 6 to reboot,and telinit 0 to shutdown ? |
| 14:54.54 | wka_ | yep |
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| 14:55.21 | LoneTech | Noboru: on non-gnu systems init may be run only as process 1, with telinit used to send it messages. in debian it doesn't matter. |
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| 14:56.23 | strav | (note, I switched from ubuntu for being bugged by packages freezing and partly because I had a suspend problem because of a confilct between kernel 2.6.23's slab allocator (slub) and my ati drivers. Now I'm on 2.6.18 so I do not see why I cannot suspend (ubuntu's 2.6.20 could suspend flawlessly). |
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| 14:56.38 | Noboru | I see |
| 14:56.51 | Noboru | stew, this time it worked with doing telinit 6,thanks :) |
| 14:57.22 | Noboru | LoneTech, I see |
| 14:57.52 | Noboru | stew, by the way, Xeon is really excellent :) i found it works much greater than pentium D. |
| 14:58.04 | Noboru | The price difference is worth,now i understood. |
| 14:58.50 | VincentC | hello, i've just installed debian and am trying to get my wireless card running up and running using ndiswrapper |
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| 14:58.55 | Noboru | fortunately,the default kernel from etch recognize this 4 cores xeon no problem,nice. |
| 14:58.57 | VincentC | i'm going through the following tutorial: http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/401 |
| 14:59.19 | VincentC | i've followed it religiously but on the following step: "apt-get install ndiswrapper-source" |
| 14:59.31 | VincentC | i get an error saying i couldn't "find package ndiswrapper-source" |
| 14:59.32 | strav_ | (another note: free is telling me that I have Swap: 1558264 0 1558264 |
| 14:59.59 | stew | VincentC: does your sources.list contain a "deb-src" line? or only "deb" lines? |
| 15:00.00 | VincentC | should i opt for a manual install from source or is there something i can do to go ahead? |
| 15:00.13 | VincentC | how do i check? |
| 15:00.31 | stew | VincentC: pager /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 15:00.31 | VincentC | i am a complete newbie |
| 15:00.48 | LoneTech | ndiswrapper belongs in contrib, right? |
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| 15:00.53 | stew | VincentC: or put your sources.list into a pastebin where we can see them: /msg dpkg pastebin |
| 15:01.03 | stew | LoneTech: that is a point of lots of contention. its currently in main |
| 15:01.06 | VincentC | only have deb lines |
| 15:01.06 | LoneTech | hm, it's in main. odd. |
| 15:01.11 | LoneTech | okay |
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| 15:01.31 | VincentC | i do have a deb-src line for security.debian.org but it is commented out |
| 15:01.34 | stew | LoneTech: it comes with example drivers which are free (and not useful), aiui |
| 15:01.37 | b0rsuk | stew : I appreciate your help. |
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| 15:02.07 | stew | VincentC: you should have two deb-src lines, the one for security.debian.org and another one for your main mirror |
| 15:02.36 | VincentC | i can't connect to the internet from my debian machine right now but i'll need to sneakernet it to this machine, one minute |
| 15:02.49 | stew | VincentC: so uncomment the security.debian.org one, copy the other one, make it deb-src, then run "apt-get update": /msg dpkg ndiswrapper one-liner |
| 15:02.57 | LoneTech | it's a -source package, won't require a deb-src line. |
| 15:03.06 | stew | oh, duh |
| 15:03.23 | stew | VincentC: yeah, forget deb-src. /me needs more coffee. |
| 15:03.31 | stew | VincentC: can you just show us your sources.list: /msg dpkg pastebin |
| 15:03.33 | stew | LoneTech: thanks |
| 15:04.14 | LoneTech | sneakernetting for apt can be painful. there's apt-zip, but that's also tricky. |
| 15:04.27 | stew | and it should be completely unnecessary |
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| 15:04.38 | stew | VincentC: is 'security.debian.org' the ONLY deb line you have? |
| 15:05.03 | VincentC | i'll be pasting it in a minute |
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| 15:05.09 | VincentC | it's the only line with deb-src |
| 15:05.14 | VincentC | i have deb cdrom |
| 15:05.27 | stew | VincentC: ahh, ok, but you don't have the cdrom with ndiswrapper-source |
| 15:05.29 | VincentC | just need to figure out how to copy and paste because emacs isn't installed |
| 15:05.37 | VincentC | the cd is in the drive |
| 15:05.49 | stew | VincentC: you can upload sources.list to http://pastebin.ca/upload.php |
| 15:06.01 | SunRaycerL | is it easy to change/upgrade from i386 to amd64 after initial installation? |
| 15:06.08 | stew | SunRaycerL: no |
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| 15:07.17 | SunRaycerL | the reason I ask, is the amd64 lenny installation cd image seems to be broken. it is looking for paths that don't exist, but the material it wants is actually on the image in another location. |
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| 15:07.51 | SunRaycerL | can I tell it from the command line where to find those bits so I can get on with the installation? |
| 15:08.45 | VincentC | sorry i'll have it in a minute, i'm having some technical difficulties with cut and paste :p |
| 15:09.00 | stew | SunRaycerL: you can install etch and upgrade to lenny. the testing installers are beta and are often broken |
| 15:09.07 | stew | SunRaycerL: what is an example of a path that is missing? |
| 15:09.26 | strav_ | anyone? just telling me the log where I could check why the suspend failed would be helpfull... I'm kinda new at this stuff. |
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| 15:09.46 | SunRaycerL | just looking for it... scrolled off the screen and <shift>-<PGUP> doesn't work... |
| 15:09.47 | asg | strav_: /var/log/kern.log ; maybe /var/log/syslog |
| 15:10.26 | strav_ | asg, yep, I was reading kern.log just now... I'll check syslog too in a min. |
| 15:10.30 | strav_ | thanks |
| 15:11.40 | asg | strav_: if there was a mention about swap during the install and you are hibernating, then swap should be at least 1.5 as large as your memory total ; 2x as large is often recommended in those cases. |
| 15:12.35 | strav_ | I'm just suspending... but my swap is actually 3 times my total memory... |
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| 15:12.43 | VincentC | stew: righto, after much deliberation i'm proud to present this: http://pastebin.ca/822113 |
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| 15:12.49 | asg | strav_: ah, then that's nothing to worry about. |
| 15:13.22 | bahadunn | can anyone say auto-debian? |
| 15:13.25 | stew | VincentC: so is this machin currently on the internet? or does it need ndiswrapper to get onto the internet? |
| 15:13.34 | VincentC | the latter |
| 15:13.45 | VincentC | so manual install? |
| 15:13.51 | strav_ | I just got a message from kernel, says that if I'm certain that my laptop supports suspend, I should set the forcesuspend option to yes in some /etc file... just hoping that this won't damage anything. |
| 15:13.52 | stew | VincentC: no |
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| 15:14.31 | stew | VincentC: you can download it manually from here: http://mirrors.kernel.org/debian/pool/main/n/ndiswrapper/ndiswrapper-source_1.28-1_all.deb |
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| 15:14.45 | stew | VincentC: move that onto the target machine and run "dpkg -i ndiswrapper-source_1.28-1_all.deb" to install it |
| 15:15.41 | VincentC | alright will give that a try |
| 15:15.49 | VincentC | thanks so much |
| 15:15.54 | SunRaycerL | stew: cdrom-retriever: warning: Unable to find contrib/debian-installer/binary-amd64/Packages in /cdrom/dists/lenny/Release. |
| 15:15.59 | VincentC | really appreciate it |
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| 15:16.03 | LoneTech | VincentC: you'll also want build-essential, module-assistant, and bzip2. those ought to be on the cdrom. |
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| 15:16.48 | SunRaycerL | stew: the file exists if you remove the "debian-installer/" part of the path |
| 15:16.57 | strav_ | yay! |
| 15:17.02 | strav_ | suspend worked |
| 15:17.06 | asg | cool |
| 15:17.07 | LoneTech | strav_: congrats |
| 15:17.16 | stew | SunRaycerL: is this an up to date installer? is it a "daily" a "weekly" ? |
| 15:17.30 | SunRaycerL | daily, I think. from yesterday |
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| 15:18.22 | strav_ | now, updates, updates and updates. thanks all for the concern and congrats ;) |
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| 15:18.25 | VincentC | stew: "incentC: move that onto the target machine and run "dpkg -i ndiswrapper-source_1.28-1_all.deb" to install it" |
| 15:18.30 | VincentC | where am i moving it? |
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| 15:19.29 | VincentC | oh nm i got it |
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| 15:20.11 | VincentC | but now i'm getting a new error with dependency problems |
| 15:20.30 | VincentC | will it be more straightforward if i install from source? |
| 15:20.35 | VincentC | ndiswrappre from source |
| 15:21.19 | stew | VincentC: try running "apt-get -f install" to fix the dependency problems |
| 15:22.57 | VincentC | ah there we go |
| 15:23.00 | SunRaycerL | stew: maybe part of the problem is the obscurity of also selecting the xfce version rather than default gnome... |
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| 15:23.35 | stew | SunRaycerL: i'd recommend either trying a weekly, installing etch then upgrading to lenny, or asking about it on http://lists.debian.org/debian-boot |
| 15:23.46 | LoneTech | I'm confused. how does the debian installer relate to desktop thingies? |
| 15:24.20 | stew | LoneTech: debian provides 3 different installers where the "desktop" task in tasksel installs either gnome,kde,xfce |
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| 15:24.28 | VincentC | stew: i'm able to continue on the tutorial now:) |
| 15:24.31 | stew | SunRaycerL: i don't believe that xfce has anything to do with your problem |
| 15:24.39 | VincentC | thanks so much, don't think i ever would have figured all that out on my own |
| 15:24.41 | nfi|ermes | hi all |
| 15:24.45 | LoneTech | weird. wouldn't it make more sense to have three desktop tasks then? |
| 15:24.47 | stew | VincentC: no problem |
| 15:24.54 | SunRaycerL | stew: good, thanks |
| 15:25.05 | LoneTech | VincentC: good luck |
| 15:25.21 | stew | LoneTech: there are 3 different desktop takss, not all three desktop environments will fit on CD1 though |
| 15:25.28 | SunRaycerL | stew: that eliminates another potential CD-coaster... |
| 15:25.30 | nfi|ermes | i need to install the kernel headers on my debian sarge with kernel 2.6.8-2-386 |
| 15:25.33 | LoneTech | ah |
| 15:25.56 | stew | SunRaycerL: they don't make very good coasters |
| 15:26.22 | hark | LoneTech: for a net install, there are boot options for the other desktop tasks |
| 15:26.33 | stew | LoneTech: the desktop task just depends on 'desktop-base' which "Suggests: gnome | kde | xfce4 | wmaker" |
| 15:26.38 | nascentmind | hi |
| 15:26.48 | VincentC | hehe i'll need it |
| 15:26.49 | SunRaycerL | are there mirrors for cdimage.debian.org? |
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| 15:26.56 | VincentC | next step already giving me some problems |
| 15:27.03 | nascentmind | in console when i view a manpage some of the characters are not rendered properly.. can somebody help me with this? |
| 15:27.10 | VincentC | i'm supposed to run "apt-get install ndiswrapper-utils-1.8" |
| 15:27.31 | VincentC | the tutorial is old and i don't know what version of ndiswrapper-utils is current |
| 15:27.46 | VincentC | when i run the command i get an error saying i couldn't find the packaage |
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| 15:28.05 | asg | nascentmind: it's the default UTF8 that etch sets for the locale. You can either change your local globally or prepend your 'man foo' with LC_ALL=C |
| 15:28.16 | stew | VincentC: on which arch? i386? or amd64? |
| 15:28.29 | VincentC | 86 |
| 15:28.33 | stew | VincentC: http://mirrors.kernel.org/debian/pool/main/n/ndiswrapper/ndiswrapper-utils-1.9_1.28-1_i386.deb |
| 15:28.44 | nascentmind | asg, where can i set it globally? |
| 15:28.51 | asg | nascentmind: dpkg-reconfigure locales |
| 15:29.07 | stew | VincentC: which means you'll also need: http://mirrors.kernel.org/debian/pool/main/n/ndiswrapper/ndiswrapper-common_1.28-1_all.deb |
| 15:29.08 | LoneTech | stew: -common too |
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| 15:29.16 | stew | LoneTech: :) |
| 15:29.16 | LoneTech | oh, already got that. |
| 15:29.33 | LoneTech | no harm meant |
| 15:29.46 | stew | of course not |
| 15:30.14 | nfi|ermes | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:30.25 | LoneTech | or m-a prepare |
| 15:30.31 | nfi|ermes | Package kernel-headers-2.6.8-2-386 is not available, but is referred to by another package. |
| 15:30.57 | stew | nfi|ermes: 2.6.8-2 was replaced by 2.6.8-3 for security reasons, its suggested you upgrade, then get the headers for the newer kernel |
| 15:30.58 | nascentmind | asg, i selected All Locales and set EN_in. |
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| 15:31.03 | nascentmind | asg, is that right? |
| 15:31.32 | VincentC | so now this would be analogous to before |
| 15:31.36 | VincentC | where i go "move that onto the target machine and run "dpkg -i ndiswrapper-source_1.28-1_all.deb" to install it" |
| 15:31.42 | VincentC | except with the new deb file? |
| 15:31.59 | stew | VincentC: yeah, but get both of those, and list both .debs on the same command line |
| 15:32.14 | VincentC | what am i doing in laymen's terms? Is all this necessary because my machine is not connnected to the internet? |
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| 15:32.31 | nfi|ermes | stew: apt-get upgrade ? |
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| 15:32.52 | LoneTech | VincentC: normally apt looks up where to fetch these files and installs them with dpkg. you're just doing apt's job since it doesn't have net access. |
| 15:32.55 | stew | VincentC: yeah, normally these packages would be fetched over the internet, or from a cdrom, but they are on a different cdrom than the one you have, and you aren't yet onthe internet |
| 15:33.00 | stew | nfi|ermes: which cpu do you have? |
| 15:33.21 | nfi|ermes | p4 |
| 15:33.23 | stew | nfi|ermes: apt-get install kernel-image-2.6.8-3-686 |
| 15:34.08 | VincentC | damn i shouldn't have been cheap and gone with the dvd :p |
| 15:34.21 | SunRaycerL | stew: out of curiosity, can you briefly explain or point me in the direction of why it isn't possible to switch from i386 to amd64 after installation? |
| 15:34.24 | asg | nascentmind: the only one you need is en_US (No need to waste time building the thousands of others) |
| 15:34.40 | asg | nascentmind: or en_IN, whichever you use |
| 15:34.58 | LoneTech | SunRaycerL: it's *possible*, it's just a very complex and delicate process for which there are no helpers. |
| 15:35.03 | nfi|ermes | in my repositoriess i have only kernel-image-2.6.8-2-386 |
| 15:35.19 | nascentmind | asg, but it says generating locales en_IN.UTF-8... done. |
| 15:35.42 | asg | nascentmind: there should be an iso8815 or something similar |
| 15:35.50 | SunRaycerL | LoneTech, by helpers do you mean programs/methods/scripts, or people who can/have done it? |
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| 15:36.03 | stew | SunRaycerL: you can do it with debootstrap which installs a completely new debian install into an empty directory/partition, but its hard to start replacing 32 bit binaries with 64 bit binaries in place, becuase you will at some point be in an intermediate state where you have something list 32 bit binaries trying to load 64 bit libraries |
| 15:36.07 | LoneTech | mostly the former, though the latter probably don't want to repeat it. |
| 15:36.16 | VincentC | woot, ndiswrapper has been installed |
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| 15:36.37 | VincentC | i downloaded a driver for my wireless card just off the net |
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| 15:36.50 | VincentC | i have the cd but it's someplace in the house whree i can't find it |
| 15:37.03 | VincentC | could the driver's be malicious or anything like that? |
| 15:37.05 | gamag | I am getting this error everytime I do aptitude update: http://pastebin.com/m23c8b389 - please help. |
| 15:37.13 | SunRaycerL | stew: understood. so I could also use debbootstrap to go from an ubuntu to debian, I'm guessing... not that I have any ubuntu native amd64 cd images at the moment... |
| 15:37.15 | VincentC | if so i will just look for my cd |
| 15:37.49 | gamag | I have tried http:// as well as ftp:// I have tried Korea, Japan as well as US servers. is it some problem with my system:- http://pastebin.com/m23c8b389 |
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| 15:38.26 | azeem | gamag: pastebin your sources.list as well |
| 15:38.26 | asg | nascentmind: oh, it doesn't look like _IN has a non-UTF8 option |
| 15:38.35 | LoneTech | SunRaycerL: yes, dbootstrap can be used from most any other gnu/linux system. may be tricky to switch root systems afterwards, though. |
| 15:39.18 | gamag | azeem: http://pastebin.com/m32daf9e5 |
| 15:39.50 | azeem | !deb-src |
| 15:39.50 | dpkg | it has been said that deb-src is 'deb-src http://http.us.debian.org/debian/ stable main contrib non-free' |
| 15:40.03 | azeem | gamag: replace us with kr and deb-src with deb |
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| 15:40.11 | nascentmind | asg, yeah... right now i selected all locales and en_in and its generating everything |
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| 15:40.14 | abrotman | stew: msg ? |
| 15:40.17 | gamag | azeem: deb-src? |
| 15:40.25 | gamag | azeem: deb-src line is in comments. |
| 15:40.49 | ricardo | ive just downloaded linux gazette all. how do I access/read the articles? |
| 15:41.01 | abrotman | what format are they in? .gz .html? |
| 15:41.04 | asg | ricardo: dpkg -l <pkg> ; see where they were placed |
| 15:41.22 | azeem | gamag: I said replace deb-src with deb |
| 15:41.26 | azeem | gamag: from the line dpkg pasted |
| 15:41.32 | gamag | azeem: ok |
| 15:41.36 | azeem | gamag: your sources.list line is wrong |
| 15:41.39 | LoneTech | ricardo: I'd expect it to be somewhere under /usr/share/doc/lg-* |
| 15:41.50 | gamag | azeem: which part is wrong, etch --> should be --> stable? |
| 15:42.02 | helo | i'm trying to assemble this raid array in a different machine than the array was originally used in... mdadm --assemble /dev/md0 /dev/sda1 /dev/sdb1 gives me "no such device or address: /dev/md0" |
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| 15:42.32 | ricardo | ok let me try those |
| 15:42.40 | azeem | gamag: compare with what dpkg pasted |
| 15:42.56 | azeem | gamag: not sure why you get a 302 for security.debian.org, that line looks OK to me |
| 15:43.20 | ricardo | yeah they are under file:///usr/share/doc/lg/ |
| 15:43.26 | ricardo | thanx |
| 15:43.41 | duriel | helo you must first create the /dev/md0 |
| 15:43.52 | gamag | azeem: can't find http.kr.debian.org |
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| 15:43.59 | LoneTech | azeem: how come none of them say /debian after the server name? |
| 15:44.05 | duriel | helo : use mdadm --create |
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| 15:44.40 | gamag | azeem: I am not even able to ping http.kr.debian.org |
| 15:44.48 | elmo40 | morning. |
| 15:44.54 | elmo40 | how can i replace/delete a certain line in a text file withought using an editor? |
| 15:45.01 | asg | elmo40: sed |
| 15:45.08 | azeem | LoneTech: 16:37 < azeem> gamag: your sources.list line is wrong |
| 15:45.21 | LoneTech | k |
| 15:45.24 | azeem | gamag: so use ftp.kr.debian.org |
| 15:45.45 | gamag | azeem: same error with ftp.kr.debian.org which I pasted in pastebin |
| 15:45.58 | azeem | gamag: did you fix your sources.list? |
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| 15:46.06 | LoneTech | sed is an editor, it's right there in the name. it's probably an answer to what elmo wants to do, though. |
| 15:46.10 | gamag | azeem: yes |
| 15:46.21 | asg | elmo40: |
| 15:46.24 | azeem | gamag: so pastebin your current sources.list, and the error |
| 15:46.32 | gamag | azeem: I don't understand why you consider 'etch' instead of 'stable' as incorrect sources.list. it used to work for me before. |
| 15:46.33 | asg | elmo40: http://sed.sourceforge.net/sed1line.txt (has some useful examples) |
| 15:46.35 | gamag | azeem: ok |
| 15:46.51 | azeem | gamag: I didn't say I was |
| 15:47.00 | azeem | gamag: I pointed you to a *known correct* sources.list line |
| 15:47.06 | gamag | azeem: ok |
| 15:47.13 | LoneTech | asg: thanks |
| 15:47.19 | duriel | helo : man mdadm , you have there examples how to create a raid array |
| 15:47.28 | asg | LoneTech: hmmm? |
| 15:47.40 | LoneTech | neat sed recipes |
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| 15:48.09 | asg | LoneTech: oh. You're welcome. Those save my ass quite frequently :) |
| 15:48.12 | elmo40 | i cant use a one-line dealy to erase a certain line withought using en editor? Or is 'sed' a one-line dealy? ;) |
| 15:48.12 | gamag | azeem: http://pastebin.com/m64226a4a |
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| 15:48.36 | LoneTech | sed is most frequently used for oneliners. |
| 15:48.48 | asg | elmo40: yes, it's a one-liner's dream. Check out the link I gave you. |
| 15:48.55 | elmo40 | will do |
| 15:48.58 | elmo40 | much appreciated. |
| 15:49.02 | azeem | gamag: well, that line is still wrong |
| 15:49.16 | gamag | azeem: what should it be? |
| 15:49.20 | azeem | !deb-src |
| 15:49.20 | dpkg | [deb-src] 'deb-src http://http.us.debian.org/debian/ stable main contrib non-free' |
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| 15:49.31 | gamag | you asked me to change http.us to ftp.kr |
| 15:49.35 | azeem | no |
| 15:49.42 | azeem | oh, well, yes |
| 15:49.44 | nfi|ermes | !deb |
| 15:49.44 | dpkg | deb is, like, the extension for debian precompiled packages |
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| 15:50.07 | azeem | gamag: you should maybe change the http:// to ftp:// then as well, no? |
| 15:50.16 | gamag | azeem: I have already tried that |
| 15:50.30 | gamag | azeem: btw http://ftp.... and ftp:/ftp... are valid server names |
| 15:50.33 | azeem | but as the rest of the line is still wrong, I doubt you really used the above line and modified it for your need |
| 15:50.34 | gamag | ftp:// |
| 15:50.50 | duriel | gamag |
| 15:50.56 | gamag | duriel: yes |
| 15:51.02 | gamag | azeem: which part of the line is still wrong? |
| 15:51.45 | duriel | wait i will give you my repositorie |
| 15:51.49 | duriel | you only change the mirror |
| 15:51.56 | gamag | duriel: ok |
| 15:52.04 | azeem | I tried that already |
| 15:52.17 | nfi|ermes | E: Couldn't find package kernel-image-2.6.8-3-686 |
| 15:52.41 | azeem | nfi|ermes: which version of Debian? |
| 15:52.43 | nfi|ermes | aptitude seach kernel-image |
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| 15:53.00 | nfi|ermes | i installed from sarge |
| 15:53.01 | azeem | nfi|ermes: that's not aptitude search output |
| 15:53.10 | stew | nfi|ermes: can you show us the output of apt-cache policy ; use a pastebin: /msg dpkg pastebin |
| 15:53.11 | nfi|ermes | no no |
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| 15:53.56 | nfi|ermes | http://pastebin.com/d13950145 |
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| 15:55.05 | stew | nfi|ermes: so you have at least partially upgraded from sarge->etch, but you haven't completely upgraded since you are still running a sarge kernel. you should read the release notes and follow the procedure in chapter 4: /msg dpkg sarge->etch |
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| 15:55.18 | duriel | gamag after modifying the sourcelist. dont forget to apt-get update |
| 15:55.28 | nfi|ermes | ok |
| 15:55.30 | gamag | duriel: yes I am doing aptitude update |
| 15:55.34 | duriel | ok |
| 15:55.42 | ShredZ | is there a program I can bind to a key in X to quickly switch between keyboard layouts ? |
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| 15:56.44 | elmo40 | xbindkeys - Associate a combination of keys or mouse buttons with a shell command |
| 15:56.51 | elmo40 | keylaunch - A small utility for binding commands to a hot key |
| 15:56.58 | elmo40 | i suppose you can use them. |
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| 15:57.30 | elmo40 | dont know how you would change layouts. but depending on your DE, there usually is a GUI that sits in the toolbar. |
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| 15:59.29 | duriel | by changing layouts you mean changing to a "new" desktop ? |
| 15:59.34 | duriel | workspaces? |
| 15:59.39 | Knight_Lord | Can anyone point me to a guide about how to use infiniband in debian? |
| 16:00.03 | elmo40 | duriel: he said keyboard layouts... u guess from EN to GR and such. |
| 16:00.11 | duriel | ah, ok |
| 16:01.20 | duriel | in ubuntu in system->preferences->keyboard menu |
| 16:01.23 | duriel | you have there options |
| 16:01.28 | duriel | check for shortcuts |
| 16:01.47 | creative | anybody use opera in sid ? ,cuz flashplugin-nonfree is installed but no flash in opera :S |
| 16:03.08 | HardDisk_WP | is the uClibc available as a debian package?? |
| 16:03.09 | leikh | Strange things is going on with my php / imagemagick / pdf2ps / gs. I've set up a php-script that calls imagemagick converter (whith shell_exec) and convertes a server-side hosted pdf-file to png. For some pdf-files this works fine, but for others not. For those with issues, i get an echo of the function saying "convert: Postscript delegate failed" (and no conversion takes place). But if I... |
| 16:03.11 | leikh | ...run the same commandline in shell, the pdf is converted just fine. The same thing holds for pdf2ps. When the php-script executes this conversion, I get a zero-size ps-file, but when I run the command in shell, it converts just fine. What is going on? |
| 16:03.21 | abrotman | creative: copy the plugin into the opera plugins folder |
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| 16:04.50 | mike1o | I would like to create a deb package from the latest rhythmbox sources |
| 16:04.59 | artagnon | how do I use my inbuilt webcam? where is the device listed and where do I get the right drivers? |
| 16:05.13 | artagnon | will it appear under lsusb for starters? |
| 16:05.15 | cahoot | try lspci |
| 16:05.42 | artagnon | cahoot: 00:00.0 Host bridge: ATI Technologies Inc Unknown device 5a31 (rev 01) |
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| 16:05.54 | artagnon | is that what I'm looking for? how can I tell? |
| 16:06.02 | cahoot | try update-pciids |
| 16:06.12 | duriel | mikelo : you have dpkg buildpackage |
| 16:06.33 | artagnon | cahoot: done. It's still appearing as an unknown device |
| 16:06.50 | cahoot | lspci -vv doesn't help? |
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| 16:07.26 | duriel | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:07.28 | petemc | artagnon: if its a laptop, check linux-laptop.net to see if someone using the same model has documented whats involved with getting it going |
| 16:07.34 | markc | leikh, perhaps try su'ing to the webserver ID and then test the php-script |
| 16:07.37 | cahoot | artagnon: tuxmobil.org too |
| 16:08.01 | artagnon | petemc && cahoot: Okay, I'll check out those sites first |
| 16:08.05 | mike1o | duriel, ill give it a try |
| 16:08.13 | artagnon | cahoot: no, double verbose doesn't help |
| 16:08.39 | mike1o | duriel, I dont have buildpackage |
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| 16:09.53 | leikh | markc: i'll try that |
| 16:10.07 | mike1o | ok now I found them |
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| 16:11.18 | duriel | mikelo man dpkg-buildpackage |
| 16:11.24 | duriel | and read the manuals |
| 16:11.29 | mike1o | ok |
| 16:11.34 | duriel | gamag it worked the update? |
| 16:11.37 | creative | abrotman, it did it but it doesnt work :( |
| 16:11.47 | abrotman | did you restart opera? |
| 16:11.51 | abrotman | which directory did you put it in? |
| 16:12.12 | creative | yes a did a restart |
| 16:12.15 | abrotman | what does about:plugins say ? |
| 16:12.21 | creative | usr/lib/opera/plugins |
| 16:12.37 | abrotman | and you dropped the .so in there |
| 16:12.50 | artagnon | cahoot && petemc: I checked out both sites. My model isn't listed but similar models say nothing about the inbuilt webcam |
| 16:12.56 | creative | yes |
| 16:13.00 | creative | Shockwave Flashapplication/futuresplashspl |
| 16:13.01 | creative | application/x-shockwave-flashswf |
| 16:13.01 | creative | /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins/libflashplayer.so |
| 16:13.06 | gamag | hey |
| 16:13.12 | gamag | can anyone read my message? |
| 16:13.27 | creative | /usr/lib/opera/plugins/libflashplayer.so |
| 16:13.37 | creative | /usr/lib/flashplugin-nonfree/libflashplayer.so |
| 16:14.12 | wols | gamag: no, noone can |
| 16:14.21 | creative | so i don't understand |
| 16:14.34 | abrotman | creative: about:plugins ? make sure *all* of opera is dead |
| 16:14.36 | cahoot | artagnon: google implies Unknown device 5a31 relates to the sounddevice |
| 16:14.49 | abrotman | update-pciids |
| 16:15.00 | cahoot | already done |
| 16:15.01 | artagnon | abrotman: done that |
| 16:15.07 | artagnon | it still says the same thing |
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| 16:15.15 | artagnon | cahoot: it's probably under lsusb then |
| 16:15.23 | artagnon | because everything else looks familiar to me |
| 16:15.29 | artagnon | I'll pastebin it anyway just in case |
| 16:15.31 | abrotman | update-usbids! :) |
| 16:15.40 | creative | i've killed opera |
| 16:15.47 | cahoot | dramatic |
| 16:15.50 | VincentC | is there a simple tutorial or a gui tool one can use to set up their wireless card? |
| 16:16.01 | anirban | hi |
| 16:16.06 | artagnon | abrotman: done that too |
| 16:16.19 | VincentC | i think i've set everything up properly, following: http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/401 |
| 16:16.21 | artagnon | http://rafb.net/p/PJcShx18.html << my lspci dump |
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| 16:16.22 | anirban | some how I manage to configure my broadcom WiFi Chip set |
| 16:16.36 | anirban | but I do not have enough how it happened |
| 16:16.41 | VincentC | but i still can't connect to the internet |
| 16:17.09 | leikh | markc: I can't su www (i'm not root) |
| 16:17.13 | creative | all opera is dead is sure |
| 16:17.13 | artagnon | http://rafb.net/p/BNIir887.html << my lsusb dump |
| 16:17.15 | VincentC | is there a gui app that scans for wi-fi connections? |
| 16:17.24 | anirban | is there any article which gives enough info about WiFi setup |
| 16:17.40 | anirban | from both CLI and GUI |
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| 16:18.13 | VincentC | so it sounds like i'm sort of on my own then? :P |
| 16:18.22 | fengor | ok parted try 2 *sigh |
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| 16:18.42 | creative | abrotman, it shoulda work, right ? |
| 16:18.50 | abrotman | creative: if you've killed all of opera .. yes |
| 16:18.58 | abrotman | did you check about:plugins ? |
| 16:19.02 | creative | yes |
| 16:19.19 | pickcoder | any suggestions for how to generate a unique ID with millisecond resolution? rand() sucks |
| 16:19.20 | creative | flash exists 3 places |
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| 16:19.28 | pickcoder | ANSI C, btw |
| 16:19.31 | abrotman | creative: does opera see it in about:plugins ? |
| 16:19.32 | asg | VincentC: it depends on your card but if you are using ndiswrapper, install the wireless-tools package and read wireless(7) and interfaces(5) |
| 16:19.37 | fengor | note to self: if remotley resizing the /home partition work in a screen with a user whose homedir isnt on /home |
| 16:19.38 | cahoot | artagnon: http://www.zer0.net/ - applies? |
| 16:19.52 | creative | abrotman, yes it see |
| 16:20.30 | artagnon | cahoot: just a sec, I'm just looking at the same site right now |
| 16:20.31 | asg | VincentC: once wireless-tools is installed and you interface configured, you can use 'iwlist <interface> scan' to search for available access points. |
| 16:20.45 | artagnon | cahoot: notice that the unidentified usb id is probably the webcam |
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| 16:20.56 | artagnon | which will probably work with syntek experimental driver |
| 16:21.11 | abrotman | creative: try adobe.com .. does it work correctly? |
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| 16:22.07 | creative | abrotman, no, i see white places instead of flash objects |
| 16:22.27 | minus198 | is it possible to get Ctrl-c Ctrl-v working in linux rather than Mark + middleclick? |
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| 16:22.46 | azeem | minus198: depends on the application |
| 16:22.56 | abrotman | creative: TBH .. i usually use the tar.gz from adobe.com |
| 16:22.58 | azeem | minus198: e.g. GTK/Gnome apps support that |
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| 16:23.27 | artagnon | cahoot: zer0.net is taking forever to open... I'm waiting |
| 16:24.01 | cahoot | artagnon: dated dec 16 2007 |
| 16:24.30 | minus198 | azeem, ok.. |
| 16:24.38 | artagnon | wow, that's 2 days old |
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| 16:27.04 | cahoot | artagnon: try googles cached page? |
| 16:27.17 | cahoot | http://64.233.183.104/search?q=cache:L0waHxoSw1sJ:www.zer0.net/+174f:6a31&hl=sv&ct=clnk&cd=1&client=iceweasel-a |
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| 16:27.49 | Dantix | hi guys, please help me to get out this loop with apt-get... http://pastebin.org/12046 |
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| 16:29.38 | artagnon | Dantix: try removing `/usr/share/info/rluserman.info.gz' manually |
| 16:29.48 | wols | Dantix: are you mixing deia branches |
| 16:29.56 | wols | artagnon: won't work |
| 16:30.03 | wols | *debian branches |
| 16:30.11 | artagnon | ok I don't know then |
| 16:30.13 | Dantix | wols: mey be, not sure... |
| 16:30.30 | wols | Dantix: then check where the packages involved are from |
| 16:30.55 | wols | with apt-cache policy <packagename> |
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| 16:31.43 | Dantix | right, so when I know where the package comes, what can I do? |
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| 16:32.45 | abrotman | !overwrite |
| 16:32.45 | dpkg | The reason you have to use dpkg --force-overwrite is because the package you are trying to install has files which exist in another package and does not conflict with the other package. This is *ALWAYS* a bug. Make sure a bug is filed (ask me about <bts>). If there isn't one, use reportbug to report it. Then install using the following: apt-get -o DPkg::Options::="--force-overwrite" install <packagename> |
| 16:32.46 | wols | remove the libreadline one again and fix your larger problem |
| 16:33.19 | wols | abrotman: mostly it's users which broke their packagemanagement out of stupidity |
| 16:33.30 | abrotman | wols: yes .. but it's doable |
| 16:33.59 | wols | what? breaking debian? itÄs not doable but easy |
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| 16:34.32 | Dantix | thanks all |
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| 16:42.39 | leikh | are there other common ways of converting pdf to image than with imagemagick? |
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| 16:44.16 | artagnon | cahoot: the page finally loaded. It says Syntek'll do fine. Thanks a bunch |
| 16:44.26 | ks | how do I source vars on boot in debian ? i have had /etc/profile.d/java.sh in FC |
| 16:44.34 | cahoot | 30 minutes loading time? |
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| 16:45.30 | asg | cahoot: maybe he's using rfc1149 for bandwidth |
| 16:45.35 | artagnon | cahoot: something like that :) |
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| 16:45.50 | cahoot | green cables |
| 16:45.56 | asg | !rfc1149 |
| 16:45.56 | dpkg | i heard rfc1149 is Standard for the transmission of IP datagrams on avian carriers. D. Waitzman. Apr-01-1990. (Format: TXT=3329 bytes) (Status: EXPERIMENTAL) |
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| 16:53.58 | SpeedyG | :D |
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| 16:55.42 | mike1o | !dpkg-buildpackage |
| 16:55.43 | dpkg | somebody said dpkg-buildpackage was a program in the dpkg-dev package that builds .debs from source. to make a package without knowing what you're doing, install fakeroot and run 'dpkg-buildpackage -us -uc -rfakeroot' in the source directory. |
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| 16:56.11 | hark | you can install it the same way on debian too (using marillat's repo) |
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| 16:58.19 | gonzaloaf | hi, why after installin phpmyadmin it doenst create any symbolic link to /etc/phpmyadmin? |
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| 16:58.42 | HardDisk_WP | how do I make Busybox link to uClibc? |
| 16:59.31 | h3sp4wn | HardDisk_WP: Use buildroot is probably the easiest way |
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| 17:00.36 | HardDisk_WP | h3sp4wn, how is that program named in debian? or do you mean fakeroot? |
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| 17:01.20 | h3sp4wn | HardDisk_WP: http://buildroot.uclibc.org/ |
| 17:01.30 | HardDisk_WP | ah the uclibc toolchain |
| 17:01.52 | h3sp4wn | Its no more difficult than just using make menuconfig for a kernel |
| 17:02.01 | lhadji | !nvidia |
| 17:02.02 | dpkg | To use an NVIDIA graphics card with Debian, see http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers. If you've done it before, ask me about <nvidia one-liner> for a reminder. |
| 17:02.03 | iEatChildren | this may be a stupid question..sorry if it is. why is debian 3 dvd's large? |
| 17:02.30 | hoxu | iEatChildren, you don't need all the CDs if you have an internet connection to install additional packages |
| 17:02.41 | iEatChildren | that i do... |
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| 17:02.52 | iEatChildren | dvd 1 should work im assuming? |
| 17:03.09 | hoxu | iEatChildren, or first CD, or the net installer |
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| 17:04.37 | mike1o | duriel, so I have to compile the source before I can make a binary package? |
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| 17:13.41 | slidesinger | php5 on debian stable: will pages written in php4 run? |
| 17:13.56 | rahul | slidesinger: try #php |
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| 17:14.52 | jelly | !why is postfix-doc not in testing |
| 17:14.52 | dpkg | postfix-doc is not in testing for the reasons listed in http://bjorn.haxx.se/debian/testing.pl?package=postfix-doc |
| 17:15.06 | mike1o | what are the requirements for creating a small deb repository? |
| 17:15.31 | rahul | mike1o: uh... disk space? |
| 17:15.41 | mike1o | no other? |
| 17:15.51 | rahul | some method to access it from whatever other machines you want to access it from? |
| 17:15.56 | jelly | mike1o: you need some disk space, an unused directory and ability to execute dpkg-scanpackages |
| 17:16.11 | mike1o | ah u need a server with debian on... |
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| 17:16.18 | mike1o | you... sorry |
| 17:16.21 | rahul | given the first, the latter 2 can be arranged :) |
| 17:16.33 | rahul | well, you CAN install dpkg-scanpackages on a non-debian system |
| 17:16.45 | DawnLight | i've a question. different programs in debian send out emails to root notifying of errors warnings, right? they use the sendmail command, right? i have exim4 configured to send out mail to a smarthost via smtp. how do i get those messages to my personal email address? need i specify root's email address? |
| 17:16.49 | jelly | mike1o: not really, we had dpkg installed on a Solaris ftp server. |
| 17:16.51 | rahul | or you can run it on a debian system and mirror the repo up to the non-debian system |
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| 17:17.17 | rahul | DawnLight: alias root to the user |
| 17:17.17 | mike1o | I only have ftp access |
| 17:17.39 | mike1o | ehehe |
| 17:17.50 | jelly | mike1o: then create a local repository on a debian machine and upload it |
| 17:18.28 | jelly | eh, that's what rahul already said |
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| 17:19.21 | asg | rahul: Truffle Shuffle? |
| 17:19.24 | jelly | SmallR2004: in a couple years you might catch up to 2007! |
| 17:19.24 | mike1o | yeah how am I going to run dpkg-scanpackages? |
| 17:19.41 | SmallR2004 | naaaah! |
| 17:19.53 | SmallR2004 | btw, hullo jelly |
| 17:19.57 | SmallR2004 | how's things? |
| 17:20.07 | jelly | same old |
| 17:20.11 | rahul | 12:20 [freenode] -!- There is no such nick truffle |
| 17:20.18 | rahul | asg: not right now :( |
| 17:20.25 | jelly | !tell mike1o about own repo |
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| 17:21.17 | SmallR2004 | been doing some heavy work on BottleCap |
| 17:21.35 | jelly | mike1o: step [4] is your answer |
| 17:21.44 | mike1o | I need my own webserver :( |
| 17:21.46 | SmallR2004 | just released another rc |
| 17:21.55 | SmallR2004 | which means i can relax a bit :p |
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| 17:22.47 | jelly | SmallR2004: what is it? |
| 17:23.18 | slidesinger | Is there a way to test if php5 is even running? |
| 17:23.23 | SmallR2004 | a few enhancements on xchat, http://www.v8d.org/wiki/index.php?title=BottleCap |
| 17:23.41 | SmallR2004 | easier to post that than quote it ;) |
| 17:24.26 | nfi|ermes | stew, are you still there ? |
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| 17:27.44 | jelly | SmallR2004: hey, that's nice. I wanted to change 5-6 digit numbers, sometimes preceded by an # sign, into urls. |
| 17:28.23 | SmallR2004 | mmmn? how'd you mean exactly? |
| 17:28.33 | jelly | Like, if someone says #453805, I read http://bugs.debian.org/453805 (or jsut make the number clickable) |
| 17:29.55 | jelly | the corrector module could do that |
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| 17:31.04 | mike1o | the rep is accessed in a static way |
| 17:31.14 | SmallR2004 | i could do that, sure |
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| 17:31.16 | SmallR2004 | mmmn |
| 17:31.27 | gonzaloaf | slidesinger, load the test.php page |
| 17:31.39 | abrotman | load any php page? |
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| 17:31.44 | gonzaloaf | slidesinger, ps aux | grep php |
| 17:31.45 | SmallR2004 | you should idle in the channel and annoy me till i do it jelly :p |
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| 17:32.52 | jelly | SmallR2004: that would mean I'd have to open yet another network tab! |
| 17:33.06 | SmallR2004 | life sucks eh? i know the feeling |
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| 17:33.48 | humbolto | is it any useful to have /boot on a software raid? grub can't handle that, can it? |
| 17:33.58 | `m0 | hello, how can I find the total speed in MB/s of the box? |
| 17:34.06 | duriel | speedtest.net |
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| 17:34.22 | `m0 | I want the current speed |
| 17:34.32 | duriel | download something from internet? |
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| 17:34.56 | `m0 | The current speed of my webserver box, like current bandwidth: 50kb/s |
| 17:35.18 | jelly | `m0: iptraf? |
| 17:35.43 | asg | `m0: the nload package is worth a look |
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| 17:36.53 | `m0 | can i install it with apt-get? |
| 17:36.57 | asg | yes |
| 17:37.02 | haole | is it too difficult to install emacs23 under debian? |
| 17:37.07 | jelly | `m0: or run something like wmnd on the remote server via sshx ;-) |
| 17:37.49 | humbolto | does software raid 1 for /boot make any sense? |
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| 17:38.33 | jelly | humbolto: sure. disk 1 dies, disk 2 with properly configured grub can boot |
| 17:38.46 | DawnLight | debian sends warnings and errors to root's email, right? how do i specify root's email? |
| 17:39.10 | mike1o | says " cannot open debian/changelog " |
| 17:39.15 | humbolto | jelly: grub is software raid aware? since when? |
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| 17:39.53 | haole | is it too difficult to install emacs23 under debian? |
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| 17:40.16 | asg | haole: you'll have to compile from source, I don't think it's been packaged. |
| 17:40.39 | haole | asg, is it hard to do it the debian way? creating a package and so? |
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| 17:41.01 | asg | haole: /msg dpkg mg (that's a tutorial on creating a package) |
| 17:41.21 | `m0 | hmm |
| 17:41.23 | `m0 | It did 30MB/s |
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| 17:42.08 | xsdg | jelly: I don't think that's how it works |
| 17:42.08 | jelly | humbolto: it's not, but you can install it on both drives (assuming the common raid1 setup with 2 drives) |
| 17:42.23 | bahadunn | jelly: what kind? |
| 17:42.30 | duriel | i have a server that has raid1 and /boot partition |
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| 17:42.44 | duriel | you install grub on both of them,and when one of the disks fails, the other one goes up |
| 17:43.08 | jelly | bahadunn: what kind of what? |
| 17:43.19 | bahadunn | jelly |
| 17:43.24 | bahadunn | what kind of jelly |
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| 17:43.34 | jelly | bahadunn: oh |
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| 17:45.57 | haole | asg, this command didn't worked |
| 17:46.02 | haole | asg, nothing appeared |
| 17:46.11 | asg | !tell haole about mg |
| 17:46.21 | haole | asg, now it worked... thanks |
| 17:47.55 | mike1o | buildeb says "cannot find readable debian/changelog anywhere!" |
| 17:48.50 | mike1o | I am in the source code tree |
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| 17:52.43 | mike1o | I guess I simply don't have it |
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| 17:54.58 | StucKman_ | hi all. I'm extracting a tar.bz2 file and it's unpacking symlinks as 0-length files with perms set as 0000. compacting tar was sarge's and extracting one is etch's. tar -t shows symlinks allright. any hints? |
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| 17:55.25 | twiggz | hi |
| 17:55.29 | StucKman_ | complete command is: tar -xjv --exclude='var/lib/qemu/*' --exclude='opt/*' --checkpoint -Uplf /root/beetroot.tar.bz2 |
| 17:55.31 | psi__ | where are all the iso images for ppc? i can't find anyone for testing. |
| 17:55.45 | StucKman_ | psi__: testing as in lenny? |
| 17:55.50 | psi__ | yeah |
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| 17:56.33 | StucKman_ | psi__: netinst? |
| 17:56.45 | StucKman_ | or maybe you better use jigdo |
| 17:56.54 | humbolto | duriel: how about the root (hd0,0) settings then? If I leave these as is, would grub not try to access disk 1 again, the one that just failed? |
| 17:57.10 | psi__ | StucKman_, I looked for jigdo but the ppc folder was empty. |
| 17:57.11 | mike1o | how do I create or find a debian/changelog? |
| 17:57.16 | StucKman_ | psi__: http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/weekly-builds/powerpc/ |
| 17:57.29 | StucKman_ | oh, I see |
| 17:57.49 | StucKman_ | mike1o: for packaging? |
| 17:57.52 | psi__ | yeah, they're all empty there |
| 17:58.05 | mike1o | StucKman_, yes |
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| 17:59.09 | FabParma | Does works "QUEMU" on Debian? |
| 17:59.15 | StucKman_ | psi__: http://mirrors.kernel.org/debian-cd/current/powerpc/ |
| 17:59.17 | mike1o | qemu? |
| 17:59.29 | StucKman_ | FabParma: qemu; yes, it does, as in most modern distros |
| 17:59.34 | mike1o | sudo apt-get install qemu |
| 17:59.54 | Asmooh | whyis mscorefonts broken? |
| 17:59.58 | StucKman_ | mike1o: I think you just write the changelog by hand |
| 18:00.08 | asg | Asmooh: on which version of debian? |
| 18:00.08 | FabParma | StucKman_: what is the best emulator for xp as gues? |
| 18:00.10 | StucKman_ | Asmooh: broken as? |
| 18:00.22 | Asmooh | it cant download the fonts.. with wget but when i click on the links it can download |
| 18:00.24 | mike1o | StucKman_, that's not what I wanted to hear :) |
| 18:00.35 | StucKman_ | mike1o: hehe, sorry |
| 18:00.41 | FabParma | StucKman_: what is the best emulator for xp as guest on a i386? |
| 18:00.47 | StucKman_ | FabParma: dunno, no XP in myu vicinity |
| 18:00.50 | asg | mike1o: there is (or used to be) a utility called 'dch' or something similar. Can't remember what package it is in though. |
| 18:01.01 | Asmooh | it tries all the mirrors but cant download with apt |
| 18:01.13 | StucKman_ | I heard of people using qemu+kqemu or virtualbox |
| 18:01.40 | psi__ | StucKman_, none of that is testing, though, is it? might be workable, though - it's just my network card needs a recent kernel |
| 18:01.51 | Asmooh | Herleiden van surfnet.dl.sourceforge.net... mislukt: Verbinding is verlopen. |
| 18:01.51 | Asmooh | --18:59:48-- http://internap.dl.sourceforge.net/sourceforge/corefonts/andale32.exe |
| 18:01.58 | Asmooh | connection error |
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| 18:02.27 | jelly | FabParma: vmware-server and virtualbox are decently fast and free for download |
| 18:02.28 | prgmrchris | url works for me |
| 18:02.30 | humbolto | jelly: same question to you: how about the root (hd0,0) settings in grub then? If I leave these as is, would grub not try to access disk 1 again, the one that just failed? |
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| 18:02.50 | Asmooh | yes it does prgmrchris thats my problem.. i cant install mscorefonts OR remove them because it cant download |
| 18:02.54 | Asmooh | not with apt.. |
| 18:03.35 | asg | mike1o: sorry, it's in the devscripts package |
| 18:04.00 | jelly | humbolto: it depends on whether your controller sees the second disk as hd0 when hd0 is dead, or not. On machines that have scsi disks I just leave it that way |
| 18:04.17 | FabParma | Some time I have to assist by phone customers that use Windows XP. The only way is to launch it in virtual mode. What is the best emulator for xp as guest on a i386 Debian host? |
| 18:04.24 | mike1o | asg, can't I just copy the changelogs in the older packages? (/usr/share/doc/packagename) |
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| 18:04.52 | StucKman_ | psi__: I usually download a newer kernel .deb from mirrors. they mostly work |
| 18:04.54 | twiggz | FabParma: vmware works well. |
| 18:04.59 | jelly | humbolto: basically if bios doesn't tell grub about the dead disk, then the second one is seen as hd0 and everything is right |
| 18:05.11 | asg | mike1o: all it cares about is the proper formatting of the changelog. If you want to use others as a starting point, feel free. |
| 18:05.17 | StucKman_ | Asmooh: maybe the fonts aren't there anymore |
| 18:05.18 | FabParma | twiggz: is not for Debian |
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| 18:05.49 | twiggz | my wife used it at one point. on debian etch even. |
| 18:05.52 | asg | FabParma: it's not apt-gettable but is easily installable. |
| 18:05.53 | Asmooh | StucKman_, if they wern't you could not download it by hand, right? |
| 18:06.05 | jelly | FabParma: what do you mean by "is not for Debian"? |
| 18:06.08 | VincentC | hi all, i'm trying to set up a wireless network using ndiswrapper |
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| 18:06.25 | FabParma | twiggz: I did try to use it few months ago an I remember that debian was not supported |
| 18:06.25 | VincentC | i'm trying to check to see the interface is available |
| 18:06.41 | VincentC | so when i type 'iwconfig' what am i looking for? |
| 18:06.58 | jelly | FabParma: I have vmware-server and virtualbox installed on a debian testing box, they both work. |
| 18:07.15 | asg | VincentC: iwconfig -a (you are looking for at least one interface (probably wlan0) that doesn't show 'no extensions') |
| 18:07.16 | VincentC | i see "lo, eth0, and sit0" followed by no wireless extensions |
| 18:07.25 | VincentC | ugh |
| 18:07.43 | asg | VincentC: when you modprobe ndiswrapper, does dmesg print any info about your card? |
| 18:07.51 | FabParma | jelly: vmware-server it is the free version? |
| 18:08.02 | twiggz | "was not supported" = "i didnt know what i was doing" ? |
| 18:08.06 | jelly | FabParma: it's free for personal use. |
| 18:08.35 | jelly | FabParma: it's not libre, just costs $0 |
| 18:08.53 | FabParma | jelly: I will try it |
| 18:09.09 | VincentC | i don't know if there is any info on my card, but there is something about "ndiswrapper version 1.28 loaded (preempt=no, smp = yes) |
| 18:09.31 | asg | VincentC: did you get the windows driver for your wireless card and install it with ndiswrapper? |
| 18:09.42 | VincentC | yes |
| 18:09.44 | mike1o | asg, I placed changelog.Debian in my source tree... but I get the same error |
| 18:09.51 | StucKman_ | Asmooh: which debian is that? |
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| 18:10.01 | asg | mike1o: it should just be called changelog iirc in the source |
| 18:10.12 | Asmooh | 4.0 ? |
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| 18:11.02 | VincentC | i think the install went ok, ndiswrappre -l shows that the driver is installed |
| 18:11.11 | VincentC | and the light on the card is glowing green |
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| 18:12.04 | grazz | anybody has the grsec patch (testing) for the 2.6.22.9 kernel? |
| 18:12.06 | DawnLight | debian sends warnings and errors to root's email, right? how do i specify root's email? |
| 18:12.08 | grazz | i can't find it online |
| 18:12.42 | twiggz | the grsec patch should come with a tin foil cap to block CIA brainwave scanners. |
| 18:12.43 | azeem | DawnLight: root's email is root@localhost |
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| 18:13.13 | grazz | haha |
| 18:13.27 | DawnLight | azeem: how can i make it get to a specified address? |
| 18:13.32 | grazz | the chroot hardening is enough for me |
| 18:13.33 | grazz | :P |
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| 18:13.57 | mike1o | asg, still can't find it... I'm in the source dir... |
| 18:13.57 | azeem | DawnLight: add an alias |
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| 18:14.15 | azeem | DawnLight: or forwarding. exim4 actually asks you about this during config |
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| 18:14.51 | DawnLight | azeem: it does? hmm... i can't recall. what does it ask exactly? |
| 18:15.01 | azeem | dunno |
| 18:15.12 | DawnLight | what does it ask about? |
| 18:15.20 | DawnLight | because i did confiure it |
| 18:15.24 | azeem | what user should receive root mail or so |
| 18:15.26 | asg | mike1o: it needs to be in a debian directory under the source root |
| 18:15.39 | DawnLight | oh. i remember. i wrote root |
| 18:15.48 | azeem | DawnLight: that is implied |
| 18:16.20 | DawnLight | well, then, exim4 config you say... i'm on it |
| 18:17.34 | StucKman_ | DawnLight: /etc/aliases, maybe? |
| 18:18.05 | mike1o | asg, im in /home/me/sources/rb/sources ... not good? /usr/share better? |
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| 18:18.38 | DawnLight | StucKman_: what is that file? |
| 18:18.56 | slidesinger | gonzaloaf: Thanks, got it working. The programmer was using short tags in his code. |
| 18:18.59 | StucKman_ | DawnLight: mail aliases |
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| 18:19.12 | DawnLight | StucKman_: where is the documentation about that? |
| 18:19.12 | madclicker | hi, How to create Image (ISO) files from CD/DVD? |
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| 18:19.15 | asg | mike1o: to build a debian package from source code that hasn't already been debianized, you need to add a number of things to a debian/ directory in the root of the source package you are building. /msg dpkg mg (it will give you a tutorial) |
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| 18:20.49 | StucKman_ | DawnLight: it's pretty simple: alias: rcpt rcpt... |
| 18:21.27 | StucKman_ | so if you pru «root: johan littlegirl@gmail.com», all root's mail will go to those accounts, one local and the other in gmail |
| 18:21.45 | mike1o | I figured it wouldn't be so easy asg ... |
| 18:22.17 | DawnLight | thanks StucKman_ |
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| 18:22.44 | StucKman_ | DawnLight: and I think «man aliases» |
| 18:22.45 | hark | madclicker: cp /dev/cdrom /path/to/your.iso |
| 18:23.00 | DawnLight | StucKman_: first thing i tried. no such man |
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| 18:24.01 | StucKman_ | DawnLight: postfix has. don't forget to run «newaliases» every time you modify that file |
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| 18:24.39 | DawnLight | ooh priceless |
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| 18:25.28 | Skaag | does debian have some kind of support for compressed filesystems? |
| 18:25.30 | madclicker | hark, wouldnt it just copy the cd content? |
| 18:25.42 | Skaag | can I create a mount that compresses all files on it automatically? |
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| 18:26.01 | cmihai | Skaag, you mean squashfs |
| 18:26.08 | Skaag | yah I guess :-) |
| 18:26.18 | asg | madclicker: dd if=/dev/cdrom of=/path/to/my.iso bs=1M (generally takes care of most cases) |
| 18:26.25 | cmihai | http://packages.debian.org/unstable/admin/squashfs-tools |
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| 18:26.42 | Skaag | ok I installed that |
| 18:26.47 | Skaag | going to find some kind of howto |
| 18:26.48 | Skaag | thanks :) |
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| 18:27.38 | madclicker | asg, why 1M bytes? |
| 18:27.41 | giupy | when i attach my old ipod shuffle i recive this in dmesg: FAT: Directory bread(block 4004) failed , where is the problem ? |
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| 18:28.29 | asg | madclicker: you could use 1024 or 512. |
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| 18:30.20 | asg | or 2048 for that matter. dpkg's factoid suggests that value. |
| 18:30.21 | hark | madclicker: tias ;) |
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| 18:31.04 | LoneTech | asg: it actually has a reason; typical CD-ROM sectors have 2048 bytes of data. But it's not very relevant on linux. |
| 18:31.20 | madclicker | asg, roger, thank you. |
| 18:31.55 | asg | LoneTech: yeah, I figured buffering would be handled. Good to know about 2048, didn't know that. |
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| 18:34.08 | Skaag | cmihai: looks like it is a read only filesystem? |
| 18:34.53 | Skaag | I tried to remount it rw with no success |
| 18:35.27 | LoneTech | Skaag: squashfs is readonly and has a few other limitations |
| 18:35.32 | cmihai | Skaag, yeah |
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| 18:35.42 | Skaag | that's very unfortunate :( |
| 18:35.43 | cmihai | You didn't mention what you'd need it for ;P |
| 18:35.48 | LoneTech | you're probably looking for something like that ext2 patch that allowed compressed files. not sure what the status of that is. |
| 18:35.50 | Skaag | I was hoping it would be r/w |
| 18:35.50 | cmihai | It's for embedded stuff and such |
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| 18:36.10 | Skaag | well there are two uses for it in my case |
| 18:36.34 | vader-- | whats the best way to test a serial port like ttyS0,1,2,3? |
| 18:36.37 | Skaag | backups that are easy to access for restoring very specific files, while still being efficiently compressed |
| 18:36.42 | vader-- | im trying to see if they are working and anything is connected |
| 18:36.42 | prgmrchris | vader--: mknod |
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| 18:37.01 | Skaag | and the second thing is my mail files :) |
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| 18:37.11 | Skaag | since mails are mostly text and can be beautifully compressed! |
| 18:37.15 | vader-- | how do you use mknod? |
| 18:37.33 | Skaag | vader--: why don't you just use minicom or something like that? |
| 18:37.35 | cmihai | Skaag, true I guess.. I use it for Virtual machines... I usually get 1.5x compression for VMware stuff and 3.x for jail stuff... |
| 18:37.42 | Skaag | nice |
| 18:37.46 | Skaag | which one do you use for those? |
| 18:37.53 | cmihai | Sorry, not Linux. |
| 18:37.53 | Skaag | squash? |
| 18:37.59 | Skaag | ah |
| 18:38.13 | cmihai | ZFS. |
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| 18:38.25 | cmihai | Just saying compression rocks :-) |
| 18:38.39 | Skaag | ZFS? |
| 18:38.46 | Skaag | which operating system are you doing this on? |
| 18:39.06 | vader-- | mknod looks like it creates ttys0,1,2,3 |
| 18:39.13 | vader-- | i already have those in /dev |
| 18:39.13 | giupy | i don't understand why i can't use ipod shuffle like a normal usb pen but i need gtkpod |
| 18:39.19 | prgmrchris | vader--: use minicom |
| 18:39.20 | cmihai | Zettabyte Filesystem, it's a feature of Solaris (well, and MacOS 10.5 and FreeBSD 7). |
| 18:39.22 | vader-- | i want to test and see if any are working and which are mapped |
| 18:39.23 | LoneTech | Skaag: http://lwn.net/Articles/221280/ may interest you |
| 18:39.57 | Skaag | I'm personally running on MacOS 10.5 |
| 18:40.29 | cmihai | Skaag, well, there you go :-). Probably better then trying gzipfs via FUSE or whatever. |
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| 18:40.58 | Skaag | but I need this for my Debian box |
| 18:41.08 | Skaag | I'll see what I can do |
| 18:41.16 | Skaag | thanks guys :) |
| 18:41.21 | spal | shouldn't bind9 depend on resolvconf ? |
| 18:41.31 | cmihai | Well, I hope FUSE gzipfs whatever turns out stable enough for usage. |
| 18:42.50 | spal | in Etch bind9 does not depend on resolvconf, but the /etc/init.d/bind9 script requires resolvconf to automatically set 127.0.0.1 as the DNS in /etc/resolv.conf |
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| 18:45.21 | stew | spal: the init script doesn't require resolvconf, it will optionally use resolvconf if it is installed, but it is certainly not required to use bind9 (or bind9's init script) |
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| 18:45.33 | suppaman | hello |
| 18:45.59 | spal | stew: thanks |
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| 18:46.48 | suppaman | is there a package manager that will let me see how many disk spaces groups of related packages are taking up ? |
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| 18:47.02 | suppaman | I've way too many things installed and I'm on a tiny disk |
| 18:47.23 | cmihai | Use deborphan |
| 18:47.24 | asg | suppaman: when was the last time your ran apt-get clean? |
| 18:47.33 | suppaman | asg: a week ago |
| 18:47.52 | suppaman | wow I freed 6 Mb |
| 18:47.53 | suppaman | :-) |
| 18:48.14 | asg | suppaman: you never know. I've seen people in here over the years free gigs worth because they didn't know about it |
| 18:48.25 | stew | suppaman: you might try running debfoster |
| 18:48.50 | suppaman | asg: I was, just joking, too bad I knew about it, I'd have liked to save space that way |
| 18:48.56 | suppaman | stew: never heard |
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| 18:49.40 | stew | suppaman: just install and run it. its self explanitory and will probably help you remove a lot of packages you don't need |
| 18:50.37 | stew | i'm not sure if it will tell you how much space it is freeing as it goes. if not, it would make a good (and easy) addition |
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| 18:51.19 | suppaman | the point is I'm on a 3,5Gb root partition and I'm using 2,9 Gb atm |
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| 18:51.40 | suppaman | for barely having just vncserver, samba, sshd and a shining amule running |
| 18:51.48 | suppaman | amule storage is another partition obviously |
| 18:52.59 | suppaman | I mean I need gcc as I'm building some closed source driver, and the gcc take space but I wonder if I could save a bit |
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| 18:56.16 | blubberdiblub | suppaman: well, as stew said, debfoster is a good way to get rid of unneccessary packages. just configure it correctly. it checks for packages that are not depended upon. where "depended upon" means any combination of "depends", "recommends" or "suggests" - that's your choice |
| 18:56.48 | suppaman | mm, debfoster proposes a "prune" option |
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| 18:57.13 | suppaman | blubberdiblub: ok I'm already lost, I'll mess a bit with it |
| 18:57.35 | spal | what's the command to fix the timezone in Debian? |
| 18:57.43 | asg | spal: tzconfig |
| 18:57.49 | spal | asg: thanks |
| 18:58.02 | simonrvn | !tzconfig |
| 18:58.02 | dpkg | [setting time] if you're using a coexisting DOS/Win on your x86, put UTC=no in /etc/default/rcS else put UTC=yes. use tzconfig to set the right timezone, then use date (man date) to set time (avoid doing that when precious applications are running, some might get confused). Now do hwclock --systohc if RTC is local, or hwclock --systohc --utc if UTC. Erase /etc/adjtime and repeat the previous command again. This prevents wrong time drift corrections later. |
| 18:58.10 | spal | I wonder how the timezone is taken. the BIOS clock is treated as GMT or LST? |
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| 18:58.19 | crazy_Russian | what parameters do I have to specify in the smb.conf file in order to be able to browse windows xp shares? |
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| 19:00.08 | suppaman | noone I think |
| 19:00.09 | blubberdiblub | suppaman: the config file of debfoster provides quite good documentation of what you can have it purge for you :) |
| 19:00.17 | suppaman | that's a client behaviour |
| 19:00.26 | stew | its useful without doing any configuration |
| 19:00.27 | suppaman | blubberdiblub: it asked for though things too |
| 19:00.39 | suppaman | lilke "xorg" keep,remove,prune... |
| 19:00.53 | suppaman | tough* |
| 19:00.54 | valdyn | spal: see /etc/default/rcS |
| 19:01.19 | blubberdiblub | suppaman: well, simply keep it if you use it :) use the "?" key to ask debfoster for what it is, if you don't remember |
| 19:01.30 | Seven_Six_Two | crazy_Russian, try smb4k |
| 19:01.32 | suppaman | i'm using I |
| 19:01.48 | suppaman | I wonder if I need xorg package while I'm just using vncserver |
| 19:01.52 | spal | valdyn: it says: TMPTIME=0 UTC=yes |
| 19:01.57 | suppaman | I don't even have a monitor connected to the computer... |
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| 19:02.27 | crazy_Russian | Seven_Six_Two: i'm already using it. The problem is that the winxp machine and the linux machine belong to different subnetworks and smb4k doesn't see the winxp machine |
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| 19:02.48 | asg | suppaman: you will need some xlibs and xauth but you don't need a full X setup if you are only running remote X apps over ssh or similar. |
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| 19:03.07 | suppaman | I don't use NFS but is it recommended ? removing it would remove portmap and other things, wouldn't it hurts rpc or so ? |
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| 19:03.21 | suppaman | asg: I'll keep to be safe, I'll eventually rerurn debfoster |
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| 19:03.41 | asg | suppaman: no, you can remove it. If you aren't running NFS, you probably aren't running anything that will require portmapd |
| 19:03.44 | LoneTech | suppaman: NFS and NIS are the most common uses of Sun RPC. Feel free to tell me if you know of others. |
| 19:03.59 | blubberdiblub | suppaman: if you don't need rpc for anything else, get rid of it ;) |
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| 19:04.37 | valdyn | LoneTech: fam |
| 19:04.47 | valdyn | LoneTech: probably more popular on desktops |
| 19:05.21 | LoneTech | hm, I tend to remove fam.. it has kept directories open so filesystems wouldn't unmount. |
| 19:05.25 | Seven_Six_Two | crazy_Russian, they need to be on the same subnet. Do you have multiple routers? |
| 19:05.34 | suppaman | blubberdiblub: isn't it hiddenly used by some unknown essential service ? |
| 19:05.47 | suppaman | bye bye NFS |
| 19:06.30 | LoneTech | valdyn: thanks. |
| 19:06.32 | crazy_Russian | Seven_Six_Two: actually I don't know. One is 90.157.112.205 and the other is 87.224.188.198 |
| 19:06.33 | blubberdiblub | suppaman: well, i have no use for it ... i don't know of anything essential using rpc ... we're not talking windows ;) |
| 19:06.39 | suppaman | mm g++-2.95, can you see any future use ?? |
| 19:06.57 | suppaman | how refreshing is dropping unused packages |
| 19:07.16 | Seven_Six_Two | crazy_Russian, are they both in the same location? |
| 19:07.38 | crazy_Russian | yes. They both are of the same ISP network |
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| 19:08.37 | Seven_Six_Two | crazy_Russian, the computers aren't even close to being on the same subnet. |
| 19:08.46 | menax | is there maybe an overview of those available "wildcards" like %u and %f (i.e. kate %f or opera %u)? |
| 19:09.01 | Seven_Six_Two | the same subnet would be 192.168.1.1 and 192.168.1.2 |
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| 19:09.20 | simonrvn | menax: man printf (manpages-dev package) |
| 19:09.25 | crazy_Russian | Seven_Six_Two: so you think it's impossible to share some windows resources to the linux box? |
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| 19:10.02 | valdyn | crazy_Russian: where is that sharing supposed to be linked to being in the same subnet? |
| 19:10.07 | Seven_Six_Two | I would imagine so, but you would have to adjust your windows settings. By default, windows doesn't share across the internet(for obvious reasons) |
| 19:10.49 | crazy_Russian | which way? |
| 19:11.08 | suppaman | why the hell do I have qt3-dev-tools ? |
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| 19:11.49 | crazy_Russian | btw the two machines are physically connected to the same swich |
| 19:11.57 | simonrvn | menax: you can also find that manual via google, on the web |
| 19:12.06 | blubberdiblub | suppaman: hmm, maybe the kernel source suggests it? but it's only a suggests, if i remember correctly |
| 19:12.07 | themill | simonrvn: I think menax means %u and %f for url and filename as used by gnome and kde application shortcuts. |
| 19:12.10 | Seven_Six_Two | crazy_Russian, where do they get their ip addresses from? |
| 19:12.12 | menax | simonrvn: thx, but i didn't meant those escape-sequences |
| 19:12.30 | menax | themill: thats it |
| 19:12.33 | suppaman | blubberdiblub: sounds crazy, anyway there was no mention of kernel |
| 19:12.36 | themill | menax: there will be a page (somewhere) on freedesktop.org that specifies them. |
| 19:12.38 | crazy_Russian | Seven_Six_Two: they are bost static and assigned by the ISP |
| 19:12.45 | simonrvn | yes, i wasn't confused |
| 19:12.49 | crazy_Russian | bost = both |
| 19:13.03 | themill | menax: Look in particular at the xdg specification. |
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| 19:13.22 | Seven_Six_Two | crazy_Russian, you have a business account? |
| 19:13.30 | crazy_Russian | no |
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| 19:13.38 | blubberdiblub | suppaman: i guess if you don't develop any qt3 programs (and don't need a qt3 kernel config interface), you can safely get rid of it ;) |
| 19:13.40 | hark | suppaman: apt-cache rdepends qt3-dev-tools --installed |
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| 19:14.27 | Seven_Six_Two | crazy_Russian, so they each have their own modem? |
| 19:14.56 | crazy_Russian | Seven_Six_Two: Me and a friend of mine who lives next door use the same ISP. He wants to share his winxp resources to me. |
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| 19:15.08 | suppaman | xdebconfigurator, I had such a thing... |
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| 19:15.21 | crazy_Russian | well, actually i don't know what happening after the swich |
| 19:16.16 | Seven_Six_Two | crazy_Russian, I would suggest using a vpn solution then |
| 19:16.54 | crazy_Russian | Seven_Six_Two: and then? |
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| 19:17.20 | Seven_Six_Two | crazy_Russian, and then you connect to his vpn server. |
| 19:17.35 | Seven_Six_Two | his exports will appear local to you. |
| 19:17.37 | maddash | RARH! |
| 19:17.48 | click170__ | crazy_Russian: Couldn't you just run a cable from his house to yours? Or is that not high tech enough ;) |
| 19:18.03 | simonrvn | !comfort maddash |
| 19:18.03 | dpkg | There, there, maddash. It's OK. I'm here for you. |
| 19:18.08 | b0rsuk | Hey, I'm trying to install grub on USB pendrive and not nuke my hdd in the process. Can anyone explain the (hd1,1) syntax to me ? |
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| 19:18.39 | crazy_Russian | I can't believe I cannot solve my problem with the help of samba |
| 19:18.40 | simonrvn | first disk 0, second disk 1, etc. same for ,X |
| 19:18.41 | b0rsuk | My hdd is /dev/sda , USB pendrive is /dev/sdb |
| 19:19.17 | b0rsuk | simonrvn : so if the guide for Damn Small Linux says to install grub on (hd1,1), it won't nuke my /dev/sda ? |
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| 19:19.29 | b0rsuk | My hdd is /dev/sda , USB pendrive is /dev/sdb |
| 19:20.03 | b0rsuk | I _think_ my / partition on hdd is (hd0,0) this comes from examining menu.lst , but I;m not sure. |
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| 19:20.27 | click170__ | b0rsuk: most likely |
| 19:20.42 | click170__ | b0rsuk: unless you configured it differently at install, thats it. |
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| 19:21.29 | b0rsuk | hmm |
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| 19:23.08 | maddash | b0rsuk: you know, grub takes the /dev/*d* syntax, too |
| 19:23.12 | suppaman | lol |
| 19:23.15 | suppaman | Keep debfoster? |
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| 19:23.56 | b0rsuk | maddash : if my usb pendrive is currently /dev/sdb , how do I determine which (hdx,y) it is for grub ? |
| 19:24.39 | maddash | b0rsuk: just use /dev/sdb |
| 19:25.01 | b0rsuk | I just tried (hd1,1) and it said partitnion table incorrect or corrupt, or something. |
| 19:25.07 | Seven_Six_Two | crazy_Russian, smb.conf is for a samba server. That's to share files from linux to windows |
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| 19:25.23 | menax | themill: many thx, nothin found yet but i'm confident |
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| 19:26.07 | Seven_Six_Two | crazy_Russian, and you can do it without vpn, but you can also use telnet to log into a machine, but that doesn't make it a good idea |
| 19:26.09 | blubberdiblub | suppaman: yes, keep it ;) |
| 19:26.22 | suppaman | is flex widely used by other programs ? |
| 19:26.53 | valdyn | suppaman: apt-cache rdepends flex |
| 19:27.05 | twiggz | its used by several ircds...thats all i know. |
| 19:27.13 | blubberdiblub | suppaman: only if you roll your own sources, maybe. otherwise you can get rid of it |
| 19:27.14 | suppaman | valdyn: I didn't mean for apt dependencies |
| 19:27.30 | suppaman | ok I'll drop it, if ever I need it's matter of seconds |
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| 19:27.50 | blubberdiblub | suppaman: you're building a lot of stuff on your own? then keep it |
| 19:27.50 | suppaman | GLUT on a vncserver ? |
| 19:27.58 | suppaman | blubberdiblub: not really |
| 19:28.00 | iEatChildren | to search and download packages from terminal do i use aptitude or apt-get? |
| 19:28.14 | asg | iEatChildren: for etch and higher, aptitude is recommended |
| 19:28.14 | suppaman | iEatChildren: only you can know what you use :-) |
| 19:28.24 | suppaman | asg: what's the difference ? |
| 19:28.26 | iEatChildren | suppaman - this is my first time running debian... |
| 19:28.28 | suppaman | !aptitude |
| 19:28.28 | dpkg | rumour has it, aptitude is "the preferred program for package management from console. aptitude supports most command line operations of apt-get and has proven to be better at dependency resolution than apt-get." (4.0 Release Notes). A mostly drop-in replacement for apt-get. Don't mix use of apt-get and aptitude. See <why aptitude> <why not aptitude> <aptitude-fu>, http://tinyurl.com/2ebd4m http://tinyurl.com/2hw8nx http://tinyurl.com/2y783t |
| 19:28.34 | iEatChildren | thanks asg |
| 19:28.47 | suppaman | iEatChildren: don't worry I've still not figured out the diff |
| 19:29.01 | asg | suppaman: http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-package.en.html#s-aptitude |
| 19:29.14 | suppaman | ok I've been using apt-get so long so I'll stay with it |
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| 19:29.47 | hoxu | suppaman, alias apt-get='aptitude' :P |
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| 19:29.58 | suppaman | gnu-efi omg |
| 19:30.06 | suppaman | this is a PII |
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| 19:30.20 | suppaman | hoxu: no I meant "Don't mix use of apt-get and aptitude." |
| 19:30.37 | tarzeau | anyone plays this? http://gnu.ethz.ch/debian/bubbros/bubbros_1.6-1_all.deb |
| 19:30.41 | iEatChildren | im installing an ssh server...im assuming openssh-server is what i want? |
| 19:30.50 | beered | Is it possible to allow certain IP's and ask others to enter user/password by using htaccess? |
| 19:30.51 | hoxu | suppaman, does not mean you can't switch from apt-get to aptitude :P |
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| 19:31.02 | Seven_Six_Two | iEatChildren, yes |
| 19:31.10 | asg | iEatChildren: yes |
| 19:31.39 | iEatChildren | ty |
| 19:31.51 | asg | beered: if nobody here knows, try #apache |
| 19:31.52 | iEatChildren | sorry for my noobish questions...first time on a debian based system |
| 19:32.05 | maddash | iEatChildren: yes. dropbear works, too, though to a lesser extent. |
| 19:32.33 | beered | never mind. I got it. |
| 19:32.39 | blubberdiblub | suppaman: well, i used to use dselect a lot for managing packages ... but it wasn't really good at considering pins and stuff .. so eventually i switched to aptitude and it works like a charm for me :) ... that is, if you don't need a curses based package management, apt-get is good enough ;) |
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| 19:33.03 | hoxu | blubberdiblub, we all did crazy shit when we were young, don't worry |
| 19:33.43 | blubberdiblub | hoxu: hehe :) |
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| 19:36.00 | VincentC | how do i check the system log? |
| 19:36.09 | asg | VincentC: pager /var/log/syslog |
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| 19:36.34 | VincentC | thanks |
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| 19:41.35 | JacobH | Hi everyone. I’ve got what sounds to me like a stupid GUI question…In testing it seems that a recent update has changed gedit’s behaviour so that when I open text files through nautilus (or some other external application) gedit opens the file in a new windows rather than in a new tabs. Has anyone else had this problem and/or know whether it is changeable? |
| 19:41.53 | protoloco | What is a SMP servers_ |
| 19:41.54 | protoloco | ? |
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| 19:42.30 | asg | protoloco: more than one processor |
| 19:42.30 | maddash | JacobH: check the preferences |
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| 19:42.49 | blubberdiblub | protoloco: SMP is symmetric multiprocessing. i.e. if you have more than one CPU on your board or a multi-core-CPU |
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| 19:43.08 | pickcoder | or multiple multi-core CPUs |
| 19:43.27 | asg | or multiple multi-core hypertreaded CPUS |
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| 19:44.07 | JacobH | maddash: I can’t find anything that looks relevant |
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| 19:44.35 | iEatChildren | whats the quicker way of installing apache2 and all its modules through aptitude? |
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| 19:44.58 | pickcoder | iEatChildren: why do you want _all_ of apache2's modules? |
| 19:44.58 | Octopus | Hey, how come you can't switch between windows in irssi @ debian with ALT+Arrow, like you normally able to? |
| 19:45.06 | Octopus | Anyone happen to know that? |
| 19:45.10 | asg | JacobH: you might check the bts (in case someone complained) or /usr/share/doc/gedit/* |
| 19:45.22 | Ronin | Octopus: what term? |
| 19:45.34 | iEatChildren | pickcoder - good point...one by one it is. i was just trying to be quick about this |
| 19:45.53 | Octopus | Ronin: the standard one |
| 19:45.59 | Octopus | CTRL + P or N sucks |
| 19:46.08 | Ronin | Octopus: which standard one? theres only a couple of dozen |
| 19:46.18 | iEatChildren | !repositories |
| 19:46.19 | pickcoder | iEatChildren: you will get the core modules with the apache2 package |
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| 19:46.29 | Octopus | Ronin: GNOME Terminal 2.14 |
| 19:46.30 | JacobH | asg: thanks; I will do, though I just wanted to check I wasn’t something obvious that I had missed |
| 19:46.33 | iEatChildren | pickcoder - ok, thanks |
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| 19:47.06 | asg | Octopus: it's also possible, depending on your WM/DE, that it has been globally assigned to some other action and therefore not propagated to irssi. |
| 19:47.15 | asg | JacobH: ah, righto |
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| 19:47.28 | Octopus | Eh, yea |
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| 19:48.38 | HyperDevil | how can i easily get SMART status from a harddisk without installing to many packages :P? |
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| 19:48.45 | Octopus | Is there already a solution for Flash on Debian 64 bit? |
| 19:48.48 | Octopus | Or still nothing |
| 19:48.54 | asg | HyperDevil: poke in /proc or /sys perhaps |
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| 19:49.19 | HyperDevil | asg: ditn't find it there.. |
| 19:49.19 | TheBigA | Anyone have experience with installation/manangement of CVS on Debian etch? |
| 19:49.30 | asg | HyperDevil: if your drive is going south though, you'll see the errors in /var/log/kern.log |
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| 19:50.00 | HyperDevil | asg: yes i know, i am just going to write a little script to give me a mail if something goes wrong |
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| 19:50.22 | iEatChildren | after i installed apache via aptitude my httpd.conf is empty...is that normal? |
| 19:51.07 | themill | yes. |
| 19:51.24 | pickcoder | iEatChildren: apache2 has apache.conf |
| 19:51.26 | asg | iEatChildren: check the apache.conf file |
| 19:51.27 | pickcoder | ports.conf |
| 19:51.34 | iEatChildren | just found that apache2.conf |
| 19:51.36 | pickcoder | and the sites dirs |
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| 19:51.56 | themill | iEatChildren: sites-enabled/ conf.d/ are the places to put your own config. |
| 19:52.01 | Eulex | how do I find out how much memory the linux kernel is using? |
| 19:52.15 | iEatChildren | themill - i see. thanks |
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| 19:52.22 | maxamillion | Eulex: i don't know if i entirely understand the question |
| 19:52.25 | pickcoder | iEatChildren: http://wiki.apache.org/httpd/DistrosDefaultLayout |
| 19:52.33 | iEatChildren | thanks again... |
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| 19:52.56 | HyperDevil | asg: do you know of a package that can show me this? hdparm maybe? |
| 19:52.57 | asg | Eulex: it generally tells you when it boots. Check dmesg. |
| 19:53.03 | Eulex | maxamillion, well, how much ram the kernel itself has allocated and which is used by it |
| 19:53.04 | asg | HyperDevil: smarttools |
| 19:53.10 | Eulex | asg, ah, and it never allocates more? |
| 19:53.21 | pickcoder | Eulex: look at dmesg |
| 19:53.23 | asg | Eulex: /proc/slabinfo |
| 19:53.31 | iEatChildren | pickcoder - that link is very helpful....thanks again |
| 19:53.36 | asg | Eulex: and the slabtop utility |
| 19:53.37 | Eulex | asg, thank you |
| 19:53.55 | asg | you're welcome |
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| 19:56.02 | svref | Is there some easy way to read pdf-1.6 documents in stable? evince complains that it can only speak pdf 1.5 |
| 19:56.31 | themill | svref: the non-free adobe reader is on dmm /msg dpkg dmme |
| 19:56.48 | dondelelcaro | svref: you can try gv or xpdf |
| 19:57.07 | themill | Nielsen: kpdf and evince use the same pdf library |
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| 19:57.17 | themill | Nielsen: (I also prefer kpdf) |
| 19:57.31 | dondelelcaro | (though most of those are using libpoppler, which is based on xpdf) |
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| 19:57.54 | nelson | Gah! How do I tell dpkg to list JUST the package names and the WHOLE package name? dpkg -i gives me both more and less than I want. |
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| 19:58.01 | svref | dondelelcaro: oh yeah, I forgot about those guys. |
| 19:58.13 | dondelelcaro | !installed |
| 19:58.13 | dpkg | To list installed packages, COLUMNS=200 dpkg -l |awk '/^[hi]i/{print $2}'; man dpkg; man grep; man awk; If you use aptitude, try aptitude search -F '%100p' '~i!~M'; |
| 19:59.11 | nelson | Thanks dpkg! Good robot! Down! Stay! |
| 19:59.11 | dpkg | pas de quoi, nelson |
| 19:59.42 | xand | !tell dpkg about fr |
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| 20:00.06 | asg | xand: it already knows about fr |
| 20:00.40 | xand | then it should be in #debian.fr or whatever ;P |
| 20:00.40 | nelson | dondelelcaro: hehe, it was the COLUMNS magic that gave me the necessary, thanks. |
| 20:00.43 | asg | xand: they have their own le bot |
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| 20:01.28 | engla | fr probably want a fr-speaking bot |
| 20:01.30 | cyberbaze | what can i use to open a corel draw file (cdr) ? |
| 20:01.37 | suppaman | I alwas wonder if keep a MTA or not |
| 20:01.40 | asg | cyberbaze: gimp (maybe) |
| 20:01.42 | suppaman | I think it's safer to keep one |
| 20:01.49 | cyberbaze | asg , nope gimp doesent open it |
| 20:01.59 | asg | cyberbaze: you may also be able to use the Imagemagick package to convert it to something more useful. |
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| 20:02.41 | suppaman | cyberbaze: cdr seems more like a cd image ready to be burnt |
| 20:03.21 | cyberbaze | suppaman, the files i have are corel |
| 20:03.26 | suppaman | oh my I'm still at 's' |
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| 20:03.51 | suppaman | cyberbaze: I trust you, I just happen to think about cd images when seeing .cdr |
| 20:04.08 | cyberbaze | along with iso's :d i know |
| 20:04.55 | asg | cyberbaze: a simple google search reveals the following link with some possible, albeit cumbersome, suggestions (http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=93967) |
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| 20:06.53 | cyberbaze | dont have windows |
| 20:06.55 | cyberbaze | <PROTECTED> |
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| 20:09.03 | asg | cyberbaze: http://sk1project.org/ (did you look at that suggestion near the bottom?) |
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| 20:13.34 | suppaman | I eventually finished |
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| 20:13.51 | suppaman | now debfoster is destroying all my system |
| 20:13.56 | amphi | heheh |
| 20:14.13 | amphi | the wrath of debfoster... |
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| 20:20.46 | ronr_ | hi, I got an old debian (still 3.1) machine running as a mailserver, I've moved everything to a new mailserver, however, some of my users have the old IP set as pop server (or are running their own dns), is there a way to configure the pop server so that it always returns an error message like 'you're using the wrong pop server, please update to <URL>' when people try to logon? |
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| 20:21.41 | suppaman | mmm 421 Mb freed |
| 20:22.20 | suppaman | not bad but not too much neither |
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| 20:24.27 | themill | ronr_: some pop daemons have a "bulletin" option that allows you to do that. You could also scan logs and send them an email. |
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| 20:28.13 | ronr_ | themill: thx, I'll google for the bulletin option |
| 20:29.29 | amphi | suppaman: when I want to clean up, I just do dpkg -l | grep '^ii' | less and go through the list with fire and the sword ;) |
| 20:29.42 | Eagleray | I am trying to enable SHMConfig for my touchpad, but it's not working. The entry in xorg.conf is correct. How can I enable this? |
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| 20:30.27 | suppaman | amphi: I think it takes a bit of time |
| 20:30.32 | dondelelcaro | amphi: why do that? just use aptitude, and mark anything that you don't specifically want as automatically installed. |
| 20:30.37 | assasukasse | Eagleray: did u restart xorg |
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| 20:30.58 | dondelelcaro | (and if you remove something that you later decide you want, you can always install it later) |
| 20:30.58 | Eagleray | assasukasse: yep, and when that didn't work I rebooted. Still doesn't work |
| 20:31.25 | Eagleray | assasukasse: Shared memory is definitely working, because I can see other processes using it |
| 20:31.37 | Eagleray | assasukasse: just not the touchpad |
| 20:31.53 | assasukasse | oh well, that's strange...it does work perfectly here on etch |
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| 20:34.18 | amphi | dondelelcaro: good point - habit, I guess |
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| 20:35.01 | karrotx | how can i tell if selinux is running? |
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| 20:36.45 | mvfeinstein | does anyone know where I can find directions on how to customize a net install cd? |
| 20:36.54 | wols | !custom cd |
| 20:36.55 | dpkg | hmm... custom cd is So you want to build a debian installer with a custom kernel image eh? Well then, read http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/Modify/CustomKernel | Also see http://wiki.debian.net/?DebianCustomCD | http://wiki.debian.net/index.cgi?CustomDebian | #debian-custom on irc.oftc.net http://lists.debian.org/debian-custom/ |
| 20:36.55 | wols | there |
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| 20:37.21 | wols | dondelelcaro: you may lart me. I found my directory.... |
| 20:37.30 | codazoda | Hey everyone. |
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| 20:37.53 | wols | idiots like me inadvertently dragged+dropped it with my mouse without notuicing into another folder .... |
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| 20:38.27 | codazoda | I've got a Debian install at home, and one at work. On my work machine, I did a minimal install. Now, I'd like to install all the default packages from the desktop set. Is there an easy way to start up the installer and install just those packages, without breaking everything else I've configured? |
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| 20:39.09 | Nielsen | codazoda: for me, this worked: apt-get install kde kdm |
| 20:39.21 | wols | codazoda: run tasksel |
| 20:39.44 | wols | codazoda: no mater how you install tho, it won't break the already installed stuff |
| 20:39.50 | codazoda | Nielsen, I don't think KDE is part of the default set. At home I ended up with Gnome. |
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| 20:40.04 | codazoda | Actually, it might be installed, but not the default WM, I should say. |
| 20:40.17 | wols | codazoda: there is no defaule DE. depending which CD you take you end up eith either of them for X or xfce |
| 20:40.28 | codazoda | I see. |
| 20:40.34 | wols | one cD has only gnome, one has only kde one has xfce |
| 20:40.44 | codazoda | Wols: tasksel is exactly what I was looking for. |
| 20:41.43 | wols | I know, cause it's part of the installer. it sucks too but that's beside the point :) |
| 20:42.02 | codazoda | I installed from the smaller, netinst CD. |
| 20:42.07 | karrotx | anyone know how to tell if selinux is running? |
| 20:42.26 | suppaman | do I need BIND ? |
| 20:42.37 | diafic | I'm going to bed |
| 20:42.56 | wols | suppaman: for doing what exactly? |
| 20:43.02 | wols | very few people need to tho |
| 20:43.34 | suppaman | I don't know I see a lot ob libisc* |
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| 20:44.09 | wols | !wayttd suppaman |
| 20:44.09 | dpkg | What Are You Trying To Do, suppaman? |
| 20:44.27 | suppaman | wols: save space |
| 20:45.02 | stew | suppaman: if you are not sure whether or not you need bind, the chances are that you don't |
| 20:45.05 | wols | suppaman: things you don't actually need should be removed, no matter how much or little space they take |
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| 20:45.29 | suppaman | wols: the point is don't know what I actually need |
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| 20:46.24 | Guerin | suppaman: then you definitely don't need BIND |
| 20:46.35 | suppaman | I eventually came into it by looking at libisc4, I don't know what main package I have to remove in order to prune everything related |
| 20:47.00 | suppaman | libbind ? |
| 20:47.07 | jelly-home | suppaman: what's your goal anyway? |
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| 20:47.32 | suppaman | jelly-home: again save space and get rid of useless packages, useless to me at least |
| 20:47.47 | jelly-home | suppaman: are you using apt-get or aptitude when installing stuff? |
| 20:47.52 | VincentC | what can i do if the latest .deb file i can find for ndiswrapper is 1.28 but i want a newer version? |
| 20:47.56 | suppaman | apt-get |
| 20:47.59 | VincentC | download the source and just compile? |
| 20:48.03 | jelly-home | suppaman: you could try debfoster |
| 20:48.14 | suppaman | jelly-home: that's what I just run |
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| 20:48.49 | jelly-home | suppaman: hm, just run? Last time I used it took me about two hours to got thru the list |
| 20:48.57 | jelly-home | s/got/go/ |
| 20:49.17 | stew | he started running it 2.5 hours ago |
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| 20:49.51 | suppaman | stew: thanks for pointing it out |
| 20:50.11 | jelly-home | oh, that's about par I guess then |
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| 20:50.21 | jelly-home | ;-) |
| 20:50.33 | suppaman | I'm tired |
| 20:50.38 | snacky | hello tired |
| 20:50.38 | suppaman | I wrote sudo port at first |
| 20:50.40 | snacky | I'm snail_ |
| 20:50.42 | snacky | I mean snacky |
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| 20:50.48 | suppaman | then sudo apt-get uninstall |
| 20:50.54 | Eagleray | I am trying to enable SHMConfig for my touchpad, but it's not working. The entry in xorg.conf is correct. How can I enable this? |
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| 20:54.20 | VincentC | how do i uninstall an application in debian? |
| 20:54.40 | suppaman | VincentC: there are several ways |
| 20:54.43 | wintix | apt-get remove <packetname> |
| 20:54.49 | wintix | VincentC: ^ |
| 20:54.49 | suppaman | VincentC: how did you install it in first place ? |
| 20:54.53 | stew | VincentC: aptitude remove packagename |
| 20:55.26 | VincentC | stew helped me download a .deb file and i had to sneakernet it and then use some apt command i think |
| 20:55.27 | suppaman | 2,5Gb Used for /, /home excluded |
| 20:55.42 | suppaman | dpkg more probably |
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| 20:56.34 | senorpedro | hi folks |
| 20:57.36 | stew | VincentC: you used "dpkg -i somefile". you can remove it with "dpkg -r packagename", "aptitude remove packagename" or "apt-get remove packagename" |
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| 20:58.55 | VincentC | after spending the whole morning trying to get ndiswrapper to install my drivers properly i'm a little worried about uninstalling and installing a newer version |
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| 20:59.27 | stew | VincentC: are you actually on the network now? or are you looking for a new version because the old didnt' work? |
| 20:59.30 | fujin_ | hey, uh |
| 20:59.36 | VincentC | i think i'd rather buy a new wireless adapter than go through the process again |
| 20:59.36 | fujin_ | what does it mean when a debian package is 'orphaned' |
| 20:59.38 | fujin_ | http://packages.qa.debian.org/p/puppet/news/20071129T003204Z.html |
| 20:59.38 | VincentC | it didn't work |
| 21:00.04 | senorpedro | i build 2 ide hdds into my computer. when trying to mount them via mount /dev/hda1 .... it doesnt work because the device doesnt exist. how can i see under which device i have to access the hdds? |
| 21:00.16 | VincentC | i went to the ndiswrapper channel and the only things they could think of were download a newer version of ndiswrapper |
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| 21:00.31 | Eulex | senorpedro, dmesg, fdisk -l |
| 21:00.35 | LoneTech | senorpedro: take a look at /proc/partitions |
| 21:01.11 | stew | fujin_: it means that currently there is nobody in charge of maintaining the package in debian (doing things like fixing bugs and preparing new versions), it is now, instead maintained by the "Debian QA Group" which will do very rudimentary bugfixing when it is necessary |
| 21:01.22 | fujin_ | gah |
| 21:01.22 | fujin_ | crap |
| 21:01.27 | fujin_ | so I can't expect a version bump any time soon? |
| 21:01.48 | senorpedro | ok thx guys :) |
| 21:02.06 | fujin_ | or rather, shouldn't |
| 21:02.11 | stew | fujin_: puppet is not currently ofphaned |
| 21:02.16 | stew | orphaned* |
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| 21:03.20 | Caelum | is this a good guide to follow to add a usb drive for raid-1? http://togami.com/~warren/guides/remoteraidcrazies/ |
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| 21:03.35 | fujin_ | oh |
| 21:03.41 | suppaman | does it matter if I switch to aptitude having used apt-get till now ? |
| 21:03.45 | fujin_ | huh -_- |
| 21:04.04 | stew | fujin_: it was subsequently adopted: http://packages.qa.debian.org/p/puppet/news/20071129T101704Z.html |
| 21:04.13 | fujin_ | I see |
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| 21:04.27 | stew | fujin_: note that Thom May put himself in the Maintainer: field, thus adopting it. |
| 21:04.34 | fujin_ | oic |
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| 21:05.02 | kreuter | hi #debian. what's the best way to report a bug? emailing the maintainer? |
| 21:05.18 | stew | kreuter: /msg dpkg reportbug |
| 21:05.37 | stew | kreuter: please first check the bts to see if the bug has already been reported: /msg dpkg bts |
| 21:06.06 | kreuter | stew: thanks. I've looked at the bugs page for the package and don't find it. |
| 21:06.17 | kreuter | ("it" being the bug I'm interested in.) |
| 21:06.47 | stew | kreuter: yeah, then install reportbug and run "reportbug packagename" |
| 21:07.00 | engla | I would like to install additional languages to my debian installation. right now I just have my default locale installed. I haven't really understood; is there a good "meta-package" for each language? I explicitly don't want any openoffice things |
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| 21:08.55 | Caelum | can I boot from raid-1 with the default debian kernel? |
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| 21:09.14 | dragonfly | anyone know of any games that can be played over a network that have Windows ports? |
| 21:09.23 | wols | Caelum: yes. grub is the bigger problem for boot from raid |
| 21:09.25 | dragonfly | I'm working on a class project and can't seem to find any |
| 21:09.31 | fengor | sauerbraten |
| 21:09.34 | wols | usually with raid1 one uses just one disk and ignore the other |
| 21:09.39 | snacky | dragonfly: fceu (nes emulator) |
| 21:09.47 | Caelum | wols: ahh cool, thank you! |
| 21:09.47 | fengor | @dragonfly |
| 21:09.50 | wols | deadcandance: enemy territory, tremulous |
| 21:10.02 | wols | dragonfly: ^^ |
| 21:10.15 | fengor | rtcw too right? and certain UT's |
| 21:10.26 | dragonfly | those are all multiplayer games that can be played over a network? |
| 21:10.44 | wols | fengor: never seen rtcw |
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| 21:11.10 | fengor | lemme check wols i was sayinng rtcw out of memory |
| 21:11.14 | wols | dragonfly: lots of doom 1,2 and quake 1-2 upgrades |
| 21:11.22 | wols | all id games run on linux too |
| 21:11.46 | fengor | jupp so does rtcw then |
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| 21:12.30 | fengor | and quake 3 arena |
| 21:12.37 | wols | yes |
| 21:12.45 | wols | doom3 should work too now I think |
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| 21:13.12 | suppaman | ok but grab some fun and get Wolf:ET |
| 21:13.25 | suppaman | that's a hell of a game |
| 21:13.47 | suppaman | Warsow |
| 21:13.50 | wols | and still very playable over the interweb |
| 21:13.56 | wols | lots of custom maps too |
| 21:14.03 | suppaman | and sounds, lol |
| 21:14.06 | cmihai | OpenArena is an Open Source clone of Quake 3 :-). |
| 21:14.09 | dragonfly | excellent, thank you |
| 21:14.10 | cmihai | (it's actually cooler) |
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| 21:15.24 | suppaman | it has CC arts |
| 21:15.33 | suppaman | and it's a mess |
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| 21:16.01 | suppaman | dragonfly: you aren't considering game played via wine, are you ? |
| 21:16.06 | dragonfly | no |
| 21:16.24 | asg | there's also bzflag |
| 21:16.30 | dragonfly | just we have some linux and some windows computers and want to be able to demonstrate interoperability |
| 21:17.01 | dragonfly | a game seems like the most interesting/fun way to do it |
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| 21:18.17 | dob1 | hi, how can i umount a device if i get "device is busy" ? and i don't know how to fix this |
| 21:18.24 | cmihai | Well, you can't go wrong with ID (Doom 1,2, Quake 1,2,3,4) and UT 2003 :-). You can get the free or demos, they work great. |
| 21:18.28 | dob1 | i tried -f but doens't work |
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| 21:18.35 | cmihai | dob1, used lsof to find out why it's busy. |
| 21:18.36 | H2OyJaBoN | hi! |
| 21:18.40 | cmihai | Usually you're in the current directory :P |
| 21:18.40 | cmihai | cd / |
| 21:18.42 | cmihai | umount |
| 21:18.43 | cmihai | L:P |
| 21:18.48 | suppaman | asg: oh sure, bzflag |
| 21:18.55 | H2OyJaBoN | someone know about codecs for dvd? |
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| 21:18.57 | dob1 | no it's not this, is an usb device and it is blocked |
| 21:19.06 | stew | dob1: you need to stop the programs that have a file open on that mountpoint. "fuser -m /mount/point" will list their pids |
| 21:19.13 | suppaman | dragonfly: get tremulous |
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| 21:19.51 | fujin_ | UT3 when they release the linux client :D |
| 21:20.21 | dob1 | stew, ok i found it but i can't kill it with -9 too |
| 21:20.43 | stew | dob1: then you can't unmount |
| 21:21.10 | dob1 | nice :) |
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| 21:21.34 | stew | dob1: is the process in the D state? |
| 21:21.41 | dob1 | stew, yes |
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| 21:22.44 | stew | dob1: yeah, then you can't kill it until the IO it is waiting for completes |
| 21:23.29 | dob1 | stew, reboot is the only way in this case? |
| 21:23.36 | DawnLight | does anyone know what gcc_s is and where i can get it in debian? |
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| 21:24.48 | proprietarysucks | hello, is it possible to use prescripts in debian-installer? |
| 21:24.50 | revelater | alright... i thought i would never be back in here.... |
| 21:25.01 | revelater | and i know this is a common woe |
| 21:25.09 | revelater | but i can't get php to work with apache |
| 21:25.26 | proprietarysucks | #apache |
| 21:25.51 | revelater | ... |
| 21:26.02 | proprietarysucks | this is debian, the operating system |
| 21:26.12 | revelater | right, php works with gentoo.... |
| 21:26.21 | revelater | easy... |
| 21:26.21 | jelly-home | debian is quite a bit more than just an OS |
| 21:26.33 | proprietarysucks | jelly-home: not that I know of |
| 21:26.33 | wols | revelater: dpkg -l |grep php |
| 21:26.34 | revelater | you guys have a setup i am not familier with... |
| 21:26.40 | stew | dob1: if the io is never going to complete then, probably, yes |
| 21:26.44 | jelly-home | proprietarysucks: it's a distro. |
| 21:26.55 | revelater | libapache2-mod-php4 |
| 21:27.02 | stew | revelater: apache2 or apache? php4 or php5? |
| 21:27.04 | proprietarysucks | debian is an operating system |
| 21:27.06 | dutchfish | DawnLight, cableswig? |
| 21:27.10 | revelater | stew: apache2 |
| 21:27.19 | stew | revelater: is there a reason you are using php4 and not php5? |
| 21:27.27 | revelater | not really |
| 21:27.29 | \amethyst | proprietarysucks: So openoffice is part of an operating system? |
| 21:27.35 | \amethyst | proprietarysucks: because debian ships openoffice |
| 21:27.41 | stew | revelater: well in any case, have try running "a2enmod php4" |
| 21:27.41 | proprietarysucks | Debian -- The Universal Operating System |
| 21:27.41 | dutchfish | DawnLight, not sure but if i am not getting alzheimer, it was in that package |
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| 21:27.46 | proprietarysucks | that's the title of debian.org |
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| 21:28.12 | \amethyst | proprietarysucks: it says right below that: Debian GNU/Linux provides more than a pure OS. |
| 21:28.15 | wols | \amethyst: and internet explorer is an integral part of windows. so? |
| 21:28.22 | revelater | stew: did already, its loaded |
| 21:28.27 | revelater | stew: and i restarted apache |
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| 21:28.32 | stew | revelater: what makes you say it isnt' working? |
| 21:28.33 | revelater | stew: FF still wants to DL it |
| 21:28.40 | proprietarysucks | Debian is a free operating system. < that's the first line in wikipedia for debian |
| 21:28.46 | stew | revelater: does /etc/apache2/mods-enabled/php4.load exist? |
| 21:29.01 | revelater | the server doesn't yes |
| 21:29.05 | revelater | doh |
| 21:29.07 | revelater | stew: yes |
| 21:29.13 | stew | revelater: does /etc/apache2/mods-enabled/php4.conf exist? |
| 21:29.40 | revelater | yes |
| 21:30.25 | proprietarysucks | \amethyst: what does openoffice have to do with debian? |
| 21:30.51 | revelater | i am thinking that maybe the server doesn't know how to handle php even though the mod is loaded... |
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| 21:31.00 | revelater | which doesn't make sense to me, but seems possible |
| 21:31.32 | stew | revelater: if you run "HEAD http://yourwebserver.com" what does it say on the "Server:" line? |
| 21:31.49 | dutchfish | revelater, obvious, but did you reload apache2 after installing php and lib? |
| 21:32.10 | stew | 16:28 < revelater> stew: and i restarted apache |
| 21:32.40 | stew | revelater: how did you restart apache? |
| 21:34.19 | proprietarysucks | is there a channel for debian's installer? |
| 21:34.19 | streuner | proprietarysucks: whats you question? |
| 21:34.31 | proprietarysucks | can I use pre scripts |
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| 21:35.08 | stew | proprietarysucks: preseed? |
| 21:35.26 | stew | proprietarysucks: http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/Preseed ? |
| 21:35.48 | DawnLight | dutchfish: i don't know if it is alzheimer, but lib32gcc1 seems to have this thing |
| 21:36.06 | dutchfish | DawnLight, oki ;) |
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| 21:36.23 | DawnLight | now, what is '/usr/bin/ld: cannot find -lc' ? |
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| 21:39.22 | revelater | stew: sorry, customer walked in |
| 21:39.36 | revelater | stew: i restarted with /etc/init.d/apache2 restart |
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| 21:40.11 | kingsley | Someone evidently pulled the plug on a box and now it hangs during boot. A live CD works, and fsck reported no errors, so I suspect that skipping the shutdown proceedure resulted in (high level) data corruption. The hard drive is mirrored remotely. What's a good command to compare remote files, possibly by checksum, and restore only those which have changed? |
| 21:40.41 | revelater | rsync? |
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| 21:43.14 | revelater | stew: hmm... looks like it suddenly decided to start working... |
| 21:43.50 | wols | browser caches are evil incarnate |
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| 21:43.57 | dutchfish | revelater, could be browser related too (on your client) |
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| 21:47.11 | mrMister | hey, I want to delete mdadm completely from my system so that any devices (arrays) created won't show up when I reinstall mdadm. I've tried apt-get purge. it doesn't work |
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| 21:49.33 | revelater | yeah, i thought i would get around that with a refresh... but that didn't help, either way, its working now |
| 21:49.38 | revelater | :) |
| 21:50.00 | revelater | stew: thanks for the help |
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| 21:50.20 | iEatChildren | where does vnc put the xstartup file for debian? |
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| 21:50.41 | dryrot | i just want to run mysql-server... which virtualization tech should i use out of virtualbox, usermode linux, vmware... etc |
| 21:51.10 | dryrot | iEatChildren: look around in ~/.vnc/ |
| 21:51.12 | dutchfish | dryrot, depends on perf needs, maybe xen? |
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| 21:51.35 | dryrot | dutchfish: i like performance! I want to be able to quickly build out a test environment for mysql clustering |
| 21:51.36 | bobf | Hello. Well, I think I have set up my debian firewall on my other box but I seem to be at a loss as to how to set it as a gateway. ifconfig doesn't seem to be the answer... I know it's something simple but I can't figure it out. |
| 21:51.58 | iEatChildren | dyrot - that i did...not seeing it |
| 21:52.01 | dutchfish | dryrot, then not virtualized but a dedicated machine |
| 21:52.05 | iEatChildren | dryot* |
| 21:52.09 | bobf | I'm guessing it's something in my hosts file but google isn't being very helpful. |
| 21:52.18 | valdyn | !ipmasq |
| 21:52.18 | dpkg | If all you want is NAT (internet connection sharing), aptitude install ipmasq; and be happy. Otherwise learn about it at http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/IP-Masquerade-HOWTO/index.html |
| 21:52.37 | valdyn | bobf: ^^^ |
| 21:52.44 | bobf | Cool, thank you. :-) |
| 21:53.06 | dryrot | dutchfish: my company is poor and won't give me more machines |
| 21:53.06 | valdyn | bobf: "just" a gateway is only echo 1 > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward |
| 21:53.15 | valdyn | bobf: but you probably want ipmasq anyway |
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| 21:53.21 | \amethyst | also, dnsmasq is handy if you want to provide DNS and DHCP for the machines behind the NAT |
| 21:53.24 | cloakable | o.o |
| 21:53.36 | dutchfish | dryrot, i hope they some spare memmory sticks and let you install xen |
| 21:53.50 | \amethyst | or dhcp3-server + bind9 for that matter |
| 21:53.53 | dutchfish | dryrot, then |
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| 21:54.45 | Caelum | to add a hard drive for raid-1, can I mount my current partition as a raid volume, reboot, then add the new partition? |
| 21:55.03 | Caelum | or do I have to make my new partition a raid volume and copy all my data to it |
| 21:55.41 | dutchfish | dryrot, or kvm if you are adventuas ^^ |
| 21:57.02 | dutchfish | dryrot, mysql clustering doesnt come cheapo btw |
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| 21:57.18 | proprietarysucks | python |
| 21:57.47 | proprietarysucks | can I run python prescripts with debian's installer? |
| 21:59.58 | iEatChildren | i can start vncserver but i dont seem to have a xstartup file |
| 22:00.00 | iEatChildren | any ideas? |
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| 22:00.24 | proprietarysucks | I am trying to create an installer file which evaluates the system and answers differently based on the hardware it finds, and other factors. |
| 22:00.31 | JW | iEatChildren: I noticed that too recently, I guess it's a new feature |
| 22:00.45 | JW | iEatChildren: I think you can make one anyway and restart VNC |
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| 22:00.59 | iEatChildren | JW - i will try that |
| 22:01.01 | stew | proprietarysucks: you can't run python in the installer, perhaps perl. ask #debian-boot on irc.debian.org or http://lists.debian.org/debian-boot |
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| 22:01.38 | good_dana | i want to install a fakeraid controller driver from source, is there a guide on how to do anything like that? |
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| 22:01.52 | good_dana | all the guide i have found are for installing the nvidia driver |
| 22:01.55 | iEatChildren | JW - how do i restart vnc? i dont see it in /etc/init.d |
| 22:02.09 | JW | I assume you started it with "vncserver' ? |
| 22:02.14 | iEatChildren | that i did |
| 22:02.34 | JW | when it started it should have told you what port it started on, probably :1 |
| 22:02.40 | iEatChildren | yes, i killed it |
| 22:02.41 | JW | so you would do vncserver -kill :1 |
| 22:02.45 | iEatChildren | then st arted it again. but no changes |
| 22:02.48 | JW | or :0 or :2 or whatever |
| 22:02.51 | JW | really? bummer. |
| 22:02.54 | iEatChildren | as far as xstartup is concerned |
| 22:02.55 | JW | I don't know then. |
| 22:03.03 | iEatChildren | you tried at least |
| 22:03.10 | JW | you mean the xstart under your ~/.vnc in your home directory? |
| 22:03.15 | iEatChildren | yes |
| 22:03.40 | stew | "xargs: argument line too long" |
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| 22:03.49 | JW | iEatChildren: how about /etc/vnc.conf ? |
| 22:03.54 | Caelum | is there a channel for raid? |
| 22:04.11 | iEatChildren | jw - i took a look at that but i didnt want to hose it so i kinda left it alone |
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| 22:04.18 | iEatChildren | anything in particular i should look for? |
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| 22:04.36 | blubberdiblub | stew: i try to avoid xargs ;) |
| 22:04.49 | xsdg | stew: what are you trying to do? |
| 22:04.49 | JW | iEatChildren: what options are you wanting to change, exactly? Windowmanager? geometry? |
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| 22:05.05 | iEatChildren | want it to launch gnome |
| 22:05.18 | JW | iEatChildren: ah, I see something |
| 22:05.47 | JW | there's a note in /etc/vnc.conf that says After this file, $(HOME)/.vncrc will be sourced, so values can be overwritten on a per-user basis |
| 22:05.48 | stew | xsdg: find "/srv/library/WMG/CART" -perm 644 | xargs -0 sudo chmod 664 |
| 22:05.56 | xsdg | stew: -print0 |
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| 22:06.00 | JW | iEatChildren: that sounds like xstartup has maybe moved to there? |
| 22:06.05 | stew | err, i had that |
| 22:06.16 | iEatChildren | so create a .vncrc you are saying? |
| 22:06.20 | iEatChildren | in my home dir |
| 22:06.32 | stew | oh i did once and forgot it the second time, doh |
| 22:06.46 | xsdg | :o) |
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| 22:07.35 | suppaman | I read vncrc |
| 22:07.50 | suppaman | iEatChildren: what's your problem ? |
| 22:08.05 | iEatChildren | trying to get vnc to use gnome when i connect |
| 22:08.12 | iEatChildren | normaly i would edit the xstartup file |
| 22:08.12 | blubberdiblub | stew: find is perfectly capable of doing that itself. find /your/path -perm 644 -exec sudo chmod 664 '{}' \; |
| 22:08.26 | xsdg | blubberdiblub: but then you have a bunch of invocations of chmod |
| 22:08.28 | itchi | Is there a way to decode a shadow password? |
| 22:08.32 | xsdg | itchi: no |
| 22:08.36 | iEatChildren | JW noticed in the config that it seems to work a little differently |
| 22:08.37 | suppaman | I never heard xstartup before |
| 22:08.44 | xsdg | itchi: they are one-way hashed (not encrypted) |
| 22:08.51 | stew | blubberdiblub: yeah, but that is much slower |
| 22:09.05 | iEatChildren | xstartup is what i have used in other distro's. its basically goes in each users home directory so you can control how vnc behaves for that user |
| 22:09.08 | xsdg | itchi: also, shadow doesn't have anything to do with it (shadow just means the passwords aren't actually stored in /etc/passwd) |
| 22:09.22 | iEatChildren | suppaman - anywho...do you know how to go about this on debian? |
| 22:09.23 | itchi | xsdg: I just read this in my book. But seems to be weird. If we encode somethings, there's always a decode way i though |
| 22:09.33 | stew | xsdg: yeah, here we go again, "find '/srv/library' -type f -print0 | xargs -0 sudo chmod 644" -> "sudo: unable to execute /bin/chmod: Argument list too long" |
| 22:09.36 | blubberdiblub | stew: yeah, i know, but xargs feels like a mess to me .... :) i don't mind being slower ;) |
| 22:09.47 | suppaman | iEatChildren: ~/.vncinitrc |
| 22:09.52 | suppaman | startgnome or so |
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| 22:09.58 | iEatChildren | thank you |
| 22:10.08 | suppaman | that's the .xinitrc equivalent |
| 22:10.15 | itchi | xsdg: The password is been in /etc/shadow ? |
| 22:10.18 | suppaman | I have fluxbox there, by example |
| 22:10.19 | CalJohn | Where would I find the input devices from my sound card, so that I can play them back with mplayer? |
| 22:10.23 | xsdg | itchi: as I said, the password is _not encrypted_ |
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| 22:10.48 | CalJohn | itchi: /etc/shadow is not an encryption of the passwod |
| 22:10.48 | xsdg | itchi: it is run through a one-way convolution precisely so that it can't be reconstructed from the hash |
| 22:11.09 | CalJohn | itchi: you cannot reverse the process of /etc/shadow to recreate the password. |
| 22:11.20 | stew | blubberdiblub: i can't afford slower "/srv/library" is a 4 tb volume, and the load on the server is already 5 |
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| 22:11.21 | iEatChildren | suppaman - just put that in the home dir or in HOME/.vnc/ ? |
| 22:11.27 | itchi | I'm setting up my NIS and are a bit affraid |
| 22:11.35 | wols | CalJohn: but you can )if you defeat the salt) create something that gives the same has |
| 22:11.35 | cmihai | CalJohn, no, but you can find the hash via an exhaustive method. |
| 22:11.36 | xsdg | stew: hmm |
| 22:11.42 | xsdg | stew: what if you run the whole thing inside of sudo? |
| 22:11.52 | JW | iEatChildren: he said ~/ so just in home |
| 22:11.53 | stew | xsdg: odd, right? yeah, that's what I did, its going now |
| 22:12.01 | suppaman | right, home dir |
| 22:12.08 | amphi | hey, itchi - haven't seen you for some time |
| 22:12.15 | CalJohn | wols: cmihai: yes, I know. |
| 22:12.16 | blubberdiblub | stew: ah, okay :) |
| 22:12.29 | stew | xsdg: sudo xargs... workd but xargs sudo didn't |
| 22:13.08 | suppaman | 'night |
| 22:13.10 | suppaman | thanks all |
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| 22:13.28 | karrotx | if www-data is in "users" group, can it write to a file that is 664 owned "peter:users"? |
| 22:13.35 | iEatChildren | suppaman - anything else that goes in there besides startgome? |
| 22:13.45 | cmihai | CalJohn, Yep. And depending on the used hash, you can also look for collisions. Finding such in md5 is rather easy for example :-). |
| 22:13.48 | xsdg | stew: probably right at the limit, then |
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| 22:14.18 | CalJohn | cmihai: ie rainbow tables etc. |
| 22:14.29 | jatt | to burn dvds which group should my user be added to? |
| 22:14.46 | streuner | read xine FAQ |
| 22:14.47 | iEatChildren | JW - what he said didnt seem to work for me...and when i search google for "vncinitrc" it turns up nothing |
| 22:14.58 | cmihai | Well, salt files tend to complicate the issue of Rainbow Tables, but md5 is really weak, and has had several collisons.. a guy created 12 PDFs, different content, different md5 hashes for example :-) |
| 22:15.00 | streuner | jatt: read xine FAQ |
| 22:15.30 | iEatChildren | jw - i think i may play with what you had suggested earlier from reading the config. thanks for your tips |
| 22:15.52 | JW | iEatChildren: yeah, ok. Did you try reading any documentation? I'm curious to know what you find |
| 22:16.03 | jatt | streuner: I am using the nautilus cd burner |
| 22:16.17 | streuner | jatt: thats not important, just read http://xinehq.de/index.php/faq |
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| 22:16.20 | blubberdiblub | stew: you may find chmod -R on the whole directory faster, if you're lucky, and if you don't actually need the conditional change |
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| 22:16.31 | streuner | jatt: you dont need something special in order to burn |
| 22:17.17 | iEatChildren | JW - i searched google for some kind of how to and just found ones similar to what i did in suse..im going to play around with it tonight. ill let you know what i find tomorrow |
| 22:17.42 | streuner | jatt: the FAQ explains what you need to run DVD at all, if that works, burning works too then |
| 22:17.42 | jatt | ok, I've added my user to the cdrom group thx |
| 22:17.44 | JW | iEatChildren: ok, don't know if I'll be around but if you find me that'd be great. |
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| 22:18.01 | iEatChildren | do they have that !tell command on this channel? |
| 22:18.21 | iEatChildren | or anything similar? |
| 22:18.51 | stew | blubberdiblub: -R doens't work for me becuase the directory permissions are not uniform |
| 22:19.20 | JW | iEatChildren: hey |
| 22:19.25 | iEatChildren | hey |
| 22:19.30 | JW | iEatChildren: look at this: http://linux.derkeiler.com/Mailing-Lists/Debian/2004-05/1252.html |
| 22:20.00 | JW | you put a line in your ~/.vncrc telling it to read your .vnc/xstartup |
| 22:20.24 | JW | iEatChildren: that whole thread in general looks useful |
| 22:20.29 | iEatChildren | yes it does |
| 22:20.29 | iEatChildren | good find |
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| 22:22.25 | iEatChildren | i did get this error! |
| 22:22.29 | iEatChildren | Error parsing config file /root/.vncrc! |
| 22:22.29 | iEatChildren | 1:Startup = "$ENV{HOME}/.vnc/xstartup"; |
| 22:22.36 | iEatChildren | thats a good sign |
| 22:23.05 | iEatChildren | now i just need to figure out what in that config file it isnt liking |
| 22:24.16 | iEatChildren | and actualy i think i just copied and pasted wrong |
| 22:24.17 | iEatChildren | lol |
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| 22:26.23 | iEatChildren | JW - its not starting gnome yet but at least it is grabbing the settings from xstartup now |
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| 22:27.06 | JW | iEatChildren: that's good |
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| 22:27.19 | gonzaloaf | hi. nm-applet was working good, but now I see a X in the icon, but I do have connection to internet, how can I fix it? does it use a configuration file to telling which is the correct nic? |
| 22:27.36 | heiner | Did anybody get the Hauppauge PVR 500 TV card running with Debian? |
| 22:28.12 | stew | gonzaloaf: read /usr/share/doc/network-manager/README.Debian |
| 22:28.18 | iEatChildren | JW - now would you happen to know how to start gnome? |
| 22:28.26 | ronr_ | I'm trying to configure a mailserver as smarthost, but exim gives a Permission Denied on creating lock file hitching post, the euid in the log doesn't exist and the exact location of the lockfile is writable by Debian-exim, any ideas? |
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| 22:30.35 | JW | iEatChildren: nope. Did you put "gnome" (no quotes) at the bottom? |
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| 22:31.12 | iEatChildren | i put startgnome and gnomestart because i have seen 1 of the two before... but not just gnome |
| 22:31.12 | bucky | ronr_, did you dpkg-reconfigure exim4 and check the smarthost box? |
| 22:31.41 | ronr_ | bucky: yeah, but it's a very old box, and I think it didn't overwrite the settings correct |
| 22:31.43 | kel | http://devresources.linux-foundation.org/dev/iproute2/download/iproute2-latest |
| 22:31.49 | gonzaloaf | stew, so if I'm using a static device how can I disable nm-applet? |
| 22:32.00 | kel | where it says iptables -t nat -A POSTROUTING -o eth3 -j SNAT --to-source ip.of.public.net |
| 22:32.01 | bucky | hmm... |
| 22:32.23 | kel | is this assumingI have a static IP? |
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| 22:32.55 | karmatronic | iEatChildren: gnome-session |
| 22:33.23 | AbsintheSyringe | debaing testing, how come my usb just stopped working ... I can see them showing up in dmesg, but ... no other notifications really ... |
| 22:33.23 | AbsintheSyringe | how come? |
| 22:33.28 | ronr_ | I'm gonna trying letting exim4-update.conf output to another file and manually place that file in /etc/exim4.conf |
| 22:34.02 | gonzaloaf | where is the list of daemons that are load at boot? |
| 22:34.03 | Ronin | !tell futex about away |
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| 22:34.40 | duriel | gonzaloaf on debian is in /etc/init.d |
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| 22:34.49 | iEatChildren | karmatronic - that did it! thanks! |
| 22:35.07 | senorpedro | how can i see the temperature of the cpu? |
| 22:35.25 | duriel | Bios? |
| 22:35.29 | senorpedro | it is not in /proc/cpuinfo |
| 22:35.38 | duriel | of course it's not |
| 22:35.40 | senorpedro | bios? while the computer is running? |
| 22:35.51 | maddash | why aren't the aliases that I put in /root/.bashrc working with sudo? |
| 22:35.53 | gonzaloaf | so if I want to disable a daemon such network-manager to being loaded at boot, what should I have to do? |
| 22:36.11 | duriel | you want to remove it with all |
| 22:36.12 | karmatronic | senorpedro: cat /proc/acpi/thermal_zone/THM0/temperature ? |
| 22:36.14 | duriel | or only at boot? |
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| 22:36.33 | ronr_ | is there a security risk in setting a smarthost config to open relay (of course, the actual smarthost is not open)? |
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| 22:36.52 | senorpedro | karmatronic: /proc/acpi/thermal_zone is a empty dir on my system |
| 22:36.58 | gonzaloaf | duriel, I dont want network-applet to be run at boot.... in general I want to do how is the procedure |
| 22:37.07 | karmatronic | maddash: because sudo doesnt re ad this file when running a sudo command |
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| 22:38.24 | duriel | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:38.26 | duriel | man it |
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| 22:39.44 | duriel | if will be something like update-rc.d -f network-manager remove |
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| 22:44.37 | JW | iEatChildren: so that works? |
| 22:44.46 | iEatChildren | JW - sure does |
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| 22:45.11 | iEatChildren | do what that post you found said, then add gnome-session & |
| 22:45.17 | JW | great! |
| 22:45.32 | iEatChildren | thank you again, without that post i would have been working on this all night |
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| 22:46.36 | EruditeHermit | hey, how do I start the gnome frontend for R. it says that r-gnome is now provided by r-base-core but when I do R --gui=gnome it tells me that it doesn't exist |
| 22:46.38 | JohnRobert | anyone know of a way of setting a maximum amount of traffic for a website in apache? eg if I have a client with a website on my server I don't want their site to have people downloading 100s of GBs.. |
| 22:47.06 | vn | hi, why wouldn't I be allowed to chown a folder that is on a cifs mount as root? |
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| 22:48.29 | \amethyst | vn: is the server Samba or Windows? |
| 22:48.50 | vn | I'm on the debian box and it's a NAS, Linux Based |
| 22:49.00 | vn | it uses samba yea |
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| 22:50.00 | karmatronic | what s the tool to edit gnome menus ? |
| 22:50.14 | cGc | what version of the kernel does the newest debian use? i'm trying to install on VM and need to know the kernel version |
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| 22:51.31 | \amethyst | karmatronic: alacarte is one of them |
| 22:51.41 | cGc | alacarte is what i use |
| 22:51.45 | cGc | very simple |
| 22:52.04 | iEatChildren | cGc - 2.6.22.5-31 is what i have on the latest stable version |
| 22:52.17 | karmatronic | alacarte is quite buggy on all my boxes |
| 22:52.33 | karmatronic | that s why i asked what tool you used :Â) |
| 22:52.34 | cGc | iEatChildren - thanks... yeah i just downloaded so i'm sure it's the latest |
| 22:52.47 | iEatChildren | i downloaded mine today so it should be right |
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| 22:59.10 | cGc | does anyone know if in VMware you can install from the .iso or if you have to burn the cd? |
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| 22:59.30 | karmatronic | cGc: you can install from the iso |
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| 22:59.37 | cGc | awesome |
| 22:59.37 | cGc | thanks |
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| 23:02.44 | cGc | karmatronic, how do you go about doing that? |
| 23:03.14 | karmatronic | cGc: i ve never burnt a CD for vmware, always from the iso :) |
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| 23:05.24 | cGc | i start the machine and it says can't find the OS. how do i tell it to install from the .iso file? |
| 23:05.55 | ponyofdeath | hi, is there an easy way to see the sizes of all partitions on the system even if not mounted |
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| 23:06.08 | cGc | ahhh click use .iso image |
| 23:06.16 | cGc | i got it... thanks karmatronic! |
| 23:06.33 | techqbert | anyone in here know whether the marvell yukon ethernet card is well supported on any linux distro? I never heard of the NIC |
| 23:06.46 | karmatronic | techqbert: yes it works |
| 23:06.56 | karmatronic | techqbert: some acpi problems though |
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| 23:08.33 | karmatronic | techqbert: i think the module is skge |
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| 23:12.26 | xand | will the etch vlc work in lenny? |
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| 23:13.01 | streuner | use xine instead, less headaches |
| 23:13.20 | protoloco | Hello i would like to use mysql cluster.. but i heard that doesnt support yet a principal feature of dbs -foreign keys- and - memory only- is this lack of mysql-cluster stills ??? |
| 23:15.34 | xand | protoloco: I'd ask in #mysql |
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| 23:16.28 | hultiz | Must run suid root for multiuser support. |
| 23:16.43 | hultiz | sry, i was wondering what that means/how to do it. |
| 23:17.38 | simonrvn | means has the s bit turned on for user, and be owned by root |
| 23:17.50 | BartVB | hultiz, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Setuid (first hit on google :D) |
| 23:17.57 | simonrvn | this means it will runs as root, not the user that executed it |
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| 23:18.21 | simonrvn | which has the potential for serious security issues if it has exploitable bugs |
| 23:18.46 | simonrvn | (used in the sense of "can get elevated user permissions through the binary) |
| 23:18.54 | simonrvn | s,),"), |
| 23:18.57 | hultiz | well, what im actually looking for is a way to share screens between users |
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| 23:19.33 | hultiz | i have been reading the screen man for what feels like an eternity but i havent managed to get it to work |
| 23:19.42 | simonrvn | yes, and what are you trying to do with it, and with what? |
| 23:19.47 | simonrvn | ah |
| 23:20.20 | hultiz | share an rTorrent screen between two users so both can watch and modify it |
| 23:20.30 | simonrvn | you'll need to add a user the ~/.screenrc that can access that |
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| 23:20.50 | simonrvn | so that user can just screen -foo to it |
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| 23:21.27 | simonrvn | read that part the other day, just read it in isolation. that manual is a bit obtuse first time around |
| 23:23.12 | hultiz | i dont think i have a ~/.screenrc file |
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| 23:23.37 | atoponce | what would keep bad login attempts from logging /var/log/btmp? |
| 23:23.49 | atoponce | successful logins are logged to /var/log/wtmp as you would expect |
| 23:23.50 | simonrvn | then create it ;) |
| 23:24.00 | atoponce | it's created |
| 23:24.04 | epsilon | just forgot... what was the command to remove dupe lines in a text file? |
| 23:24.13 | simonrvn | no, hultiz not you atoponce ;) |
| 23:24.21 | hultiz | yea, but what should i write in it? |
| 23:24.26 | atoponce | intentionally failed login attempts are not being logged, as you would expect. |
| 23:24.30 | atoponce | simonrvn: oh. sorry. :) |
| 23:24.48 | atoponce | so, lastb which reads that file, is showing nothing |
| 23:24.54 | simonrvn | atoponce: why would you want attempts at bruteforcing to not show up? (other than the obvious answer :P). np |
| 23:24.56 | atoponce | and i'm at a loss as to why |
| 23:25.08 | simonrvn | epsilon: uniq |
| 23:25.08 | atoponce | i want them to show. they aren't |
| 23:25.17 | simonrvn | oh, i see |
| 23:25.23 | atoponce | /var/log/btmp is empty. it shouldn't be |
| 23:25.33 | simonrvn | hmm, dunno, check their manuals? |
| 23:25.49 | atoponce | yeah. i've been digging. ltrace isn't turning up anything interesting either |
| 23:26.02 | atoponce | maybe i need to look closer. thought someone might know |
| 23:26.09 | atoponce | perms look fine |
| 23:26.11 | simonrvn | mine's empty too |
| 23:26.55 | simonrvn | probably just a conf option to enable logging to it |
| 23:27.01 | atoponce | hmmm |
| 23:27.10 | simonrvn | well i don't, but someone else probably does ;) |
| 23:27.19 | atoponce | why would it be logging to /var/log/wtmp for successful logins? |
| 23:27.44 | atoponce | and not to /var/log/btmp? maybe a pam module? |
| 23:28.02 | simonrvn | man wtmp; The utmp file allows one to discover information about who is currently using the system. There may be more users currently using the system, because not all programs use utmp logging. |
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| 23:28.33 | simonrvn | no man for btmp |
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| 23:32.53 | atoponce | yeah. that tells about wtmp, but nothing about btmp, which really doesn't give me anything to go off of... |
| 23:33.57 | simonrvn | i'd google it |
| 23:34.01 | simonrvn | sorry :/ |
| 23:34.09 | atoponce | heh. yeah. been down that lane too |
| 23:34.16 | atoponce | :) |
| 23:34.30 | simonrvn | nothing eh? |
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| 23:34.47 | atoponce | not that i can see |
| 23:35.33 | simonrvn | :/ |
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| 23:40.52 | karmatronic | men,this system hangs on mounting 500G usb disks... |
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| 23:44.27 | engla | Where do I find vlc in the debian repos? |
| 23:44.46 | simonrvn | !info vlc etch |
| 23:44.50 | karmatronic | !vlc |
| 23:44.50 | dpkg | it has been said that vlc is the VideoLAN media player, which can also broadcast. It can also be used standalone as a normal MPEG2/DVD player. Available in stable and unstable. Upstream homepage: http://www.videolan.org |
| 23:44.52 | dpkg | vlc: (multimedia player and streamer), section graphics, is optional. Version: 0.8.6-svn20061012.debian-5 (etch), Packaged size: 1114 kB, Installed size: 3188 kB |
| 23:45.06 | simonrvn | !info vlc lenny |
| 23:45.26 | simonrvn | it isn't in testing (lenny) |
| 23:45.36 | engla | ah |
| 23:45.38 | simonrvn | !why isn't vlc in testing |
| 23:45.39 | dpkg | vlc is not in testing for the reasons listed in http://bjorn.haxx.se/debian/testing.pl?package=vlc |
| 23:45.50 | simonrvn | go see that ^^^ |
| 23:45.53 | engla | that's an oddity I didn't count on |
| 23:46.03 | simonrvn | deps |
| 23:46.05 | engla | thanks. But I guessed it would at least have the same as stable |
| 23:46.24 | simonrvn | got removed for one reason or another |
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| 23:47.00 | engla | schade. is it dumb to add etch sources and install it from there? |
| 23:47.04 | engla | probably. |
| 23:47.31 | simonrvn | for lenny? you'll break it, better to pin to testing then get from unstable |
| 23:47.32 | karmatronic | engla: still can compile it |
| 23:47.49 | simonrvn | !pinning |
| 23:47.50 | dpkg | If you are running stable, don't pin; use a backport. Ask me about <backports> or <simple sid backport>. If you're using testing, man apt_preferences or see http://wiki.debian.org/AptPinning. |
| 23:48.23 | simonrvn | just have to dupe your testing lines and replace with unstable |
| 23:48.28 | simonrvn | then update, etc. |
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| 23:49.19 | engla | ah. pinning to unstable seems resonably safe |
| 23:49.53 | engla | I would be tempted to install lots of things from there though, but I'll try not to do that :) thanks for the pointers |
| 23:50.23 | Asmooh | is there a way to add a user without answer any question? just add and directly yes |
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| 23:50.40 | simonrvn | er, no, pinning to testing |
| 23:50.49 | simonrvn | engla: ^^^ |
| 23:51.25 | simonrvn | Asmooh: using useradd directly, or vipw/vipw -s vigr/vigr -s ;p |
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| 23:51.26 | engla | right :) |
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| 23:54.55 | pumpkin0 | what's the recomanded way to create a video-DVD (one avi, no menu) ? DVD-Player only works with stock MPEG-2. Thanks. |
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| 23:59.11 | Quentusrex | I am trying to stream a video from my cctv camera on /dev/video0 to a webserver on my lan. What is the best way to do this? |
