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| 00:01.43 | karmatronic | Quentusrex: what do you mean "to a web server" ? |
| 00:02.00 | karmatronic | Quentusrex: vlc does a good job at streaming |
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| 00:02.10 | karmatronic | Quentusrex: icecast is ok |
| 00:03.16 | Coweater | pumpkin0: i'm not sure this is best, but i'd guess to re-encode it as mpeg-2, look at ffmpeg, transcode or mencoder (not sure which will do exactly what you want) |
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| 00:04.40 | Quentusrex | I want to take a cctv camera, stream the video to a remote webserver, and have the webserver serve it to 'many' users |
| 00:05.19 | pumpkin0 | Coweater: i know mencoder best so i will just it for the mpeg2-conversion. I'm a bit more woried about the next step (mpeg => vob). |
| 00:05.25 | Quentusrex | and by many users I mean I don't want the volume of users to increase the bandwidth from the cctv box to the webserver box. |
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| 00:06.41 | Quentusrex | Here is an example. |
| 00:07.24 | Quentusrex | Child care facility. Parents can sign up(in the facility in person) for a username and password. They can then log into the website and watch their kids at school. |
| 00:07.28 | Quentusrex | something along those lines. |
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| 00:07.48 | Quentusrex | Since the school has to have CCTV cameras for security, why not turn that into a service for parents. |
| 00:08.57 | Quentusrex | So, I have security cameras hooked up to a Zoneminder linux CCTV DVR box running debian. Then I want to stream the video to a remote webserver, that will then on demand stream the live video to the parents. |
| 00:09.39 | Quentusrex | Zoneminder is able to view the video stream. I'm able to stream the video through zoneminders website locally, but I can't figure out how to stream the video to my remote webserver. |
| 00:10.24 | Quentusrex | any ideas? |
| 00:10.36 | prgmrchris | until someone exploits it and uses it to abduct a child |
| 00:10.37 | karmatronic | Quentusrex: vlc |
| 00:10.39 | prgmrchris | then your life is over |
| 00:11.19 | prgmrchris | and anyone would be able to view any camera |
| 00:11.32 | Quentusrex | that's just the sample |
| 00:11.33 | prgmrchris | imagine when someone gets ahold of one of the account details |
| 00:11.35 | prgmrchris | im just saying |
| 00:11.41 | prgmrchris | not too sound of an idea |
| 00:11.45 | Quentusrex | sheesh |
| 00:11.48 | prgmrchris | some serious risks |
| 00:11.48 | karmatronic | Quentusrex: vlc v4l:/dev/video0:size=320x240:brightness=45000:hue=32000:contrast=3 --sout '#transcode{vcodec=mp2v,vb=384}:standard{access=http,mux=ogg,url=:8081}' -I ncurses |
| 00:11.50 | Quentusrex | that's just the sample |
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| 00:12.10 | Quentusrex | wow |
| 00:12.13 | kgoetz | use a better example ;) |
| 00:12.26 | Quentusrex | kgoetz, I should come up with a better example. |
| 00:12.34 | Quentusrex | since I'm not allowed to say the real use... |
| 00:12.35 | karmatronic | Quentusrex: this is my one for streaming nmy webcam |
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| 00:13.10 | muhoo_ | trying to get my bluetooth-headset going, with no luck: http://rafb.net/p/VT5zMY85.txt |
| 00:13.32 | muhoo_ | keeps tellign me "connection refused" |
| 00:13.42 | muhoo_ | but WHAT connection, from what to whom, specifically? |
| 00:13.47 | muhoo_ | how can i troubleshoot this? |
| 00:14.30 | karmatronic | muhoo_: do you rfcomm connect you_device 0 first ? |
| 00:14.38 | muhoo_ | no, do i need to? |
| 00:14.46 | karmatronic | muhoo_: i think so |
| 00:15.06 | karmatronic | muhoo_: and maybse something like spdtool -add your_service |
| 00:15.13 | muhoo_ | hciconfig -a shows it is already up |
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| 00:15.55 | karmatronic | muhoo_: sdptool --add channel the_channel_for_headset_profile |
| 00:16.03 | muhoo_ | how do i find the device and channel to use? |
| 00:16.19 | LoneTech | wouldn't you just need to peer them? |
| 00:16.20 | karmatronic | muhoo_: hciconfig only shows you your own device |
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| 00:16.38 | karmatronic | muhoo_: the command to rfcomm is indeed to pair |
| 00:16.52 | karmatronic | muhoo_: you find the device and channel to use with hcitool scan |
| 00:17.06 | karmatronic | muhoo_: the device with hcitool scan |
| 00:17.14 | LoneTech | headset would be audio, not rfcomm, right? |
| 00:17.29 | karmatronic | muhoo_: and he channel with sdptool browse your_headset_mac |
| 00:17.55 | karmatronic | muhoo_: your_headset_mac beeing found with the prevous command (hcitool scan) |
| 00:18.33 | muhoo_ | hmhmm. ok, will try |
| 00:18.46 | muhoo_ | the docs i'm reading show a radically different method |
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| 00:18.50 | muhoo_ | using dbus instead |
| 00:18.57 | karmatronic | muhoo_: http://www.gentoo-wiki.com/HOWTO_use_a_bluetooth_headset |
| 00:19.03 | muhoo_ | says sdbtool is "obsolete" |
| 00:19.12 | karmatronic | muhoo_: the best doc ever on this subject |
| 00:19.23 | muhoo_ | yeah, i'm using that one. |
| 00:19.52 | muhoo_ | wait, that doc says the things you are talking about are "obsolete"! |
| 00:20.37 | muhoo_ | and i am following those instructions exactly too |
| 00:20.57 | karmatronic | muhoo_: sorry, i did those things a year ago :) |
| 00:21.00 | muhoo_ | " Bluez-utils-3.16 and newer" is the one i'm using |
| 00:21.15 | karmatronic | muhoo_: yeah that doc s saying it became quite simple |
| 00:21.32 | karmatronic | muhoo_: you stil need hcitool scan to get the mac of the headset |
| 00:21.40 | muhoo_ | ah, hold on |
| 00:21.55 | karmatronic | muhoo_: in order to configure .asoundrc |
| 00:21.58 | muhoo_ | i changed some random stuff in /etc/bluetooth/audio* and it is almost working now :-) |
| 00:22.08 | karmatronic | muhoo_: ucky you ! |
| 00:22.17 | karmatronic | s/ucky/lucky |
| 00:22.36 | muhoo_ | phuck |
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| 00:22.36 | muhoo_ | dbus.DBusException: org.bluez.audio.Error.ConnectFailed: Connection refused job |
| 00:22.51 | muhoo_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:22.54 | muhoo_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:23.35 | karmatronic | muhoo_: no , hciconfig gives you the MAC of your conmputer mac bluetooth |
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| 00:23.52 | karmatronic | muhoo_: sorry scrolling pb :) |
| 00:24.15 | karmatronic | muhoo_: first you need to pair with the device |
| 00:24.25 | karmatronic | muhoo_: are you using gnome or kde ? |
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| 00:25.04 | muhoo_ | neither |
| 00:25.09 | muhoo_ | ion3 :-) |
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| 00:26.46 | karmatronic | muhoo_: congratulations, it s the worst WM i have ever seen :) |
| 00:26.46 | karmatronic | muhoo_: apart from kde, of course |
| 00:26.56 | muhoo_ | ion3 rules |
| 00:26.57 | muhoo_ | love it |
| 00:27.05 | muhoo_ | ratpoison is ok too |
| 00:27.17 | muhoo_ | any non-mouse, grid-oriented wm is for me |
| 00:27.43 | karmatronic | muhoo_: i insist , how did you get the mac you put in .asoundrc ? |
| 00:27.56 | karmatronic | yeah , non-mouse is cool |
| 00:28.05 | stew | except the ion3 author is gone completely crazy and it no longer free |
| 00:28.20 | stew | https://lists.berlios.de/pipermail/ion-general/2007-December/001691.html for his latest rantings |
| 00:28.43 | karmatronic | muhoo_: you have to get the MAC to put in .asoundrc using hcitool scan |
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| 00:31.57 | mxwlpxwl | i am having a peculiar situation. after a power outage, my system will not power up with multiple drives connected. Has anyone experienced this issue. I have 2.6.18 kernel |
| 00:32.25 | dondelelcaro | mxwlpxwl: that usually means that your powersupply is having issues |
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| 00:35.14 | mxwlpxwl | i didn't think about that. but i am able to boot from a live cd an view all my drives. I will try another power supply |
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| 00:35.48 | dondelelcaro | mxwlpxwl: err... do you mean that your system will not boot? or will not power up? |
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| 00:37.21 | haluz | hi, i got a grsec kernel running and have a tpe_gui, but how do i make execs in /usr/local/bin trusted? please |
| 00:37.25 | mxwlpxwl | dondelelcaro: i'm sorry, i meant to type my system will not boot. |
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| 00:38.12 | dondelelcaro | mxwlpxwl: where does it get to? |
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| 00:41.09 | mxwlpxwl | dondelelcaro: with multiple drives connected. It hangs at http://pastebin.com/m52d4e180 |
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| 00:42.44 | dondelelcaro | mxwlpxwl: oh, it's because one of the drives you've got connected has become /dev/sda, and what was root is no longer root. |
| 00:42.55 | dondelelcaro | mxwlpxwl: most likely you need to fix your root= option accordingly. |
| 00:43.27 | dondelelcaro | mxwlpxwl: a kernel upgrade in between the last time you cycled your machine is the most likely cause. |
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| 00:47.29 | mxwlpxwl | dondelelcaro: I will boot into a liveCD and view my menu.lst . |
| 00:48.11 | dondelelcaro | mxwlpxwl: you actually don't need to; you can just hit e at the grub prompt and edit away |
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| 00:51.16 | proprietarysucks | does anyone know if it is possible to dynamically partition using debian's installer |
| 00:51.20 | mxwlpxwl | dondelelcaro: you're right. but i did just boot into a liveCD and when I fdisk -l my root partition shows up as /dev/sda3 the same thing found in menu.lst...It doesn't seem as if anything is out of order |
| 00:51.35 | abrotman | proprietarysucks: using lvm ? |
| 00:52.03 | proprietarysucks | no, just to evaluate the system and partition based on that |
| 00:52.21 | abrotman | i guess i'm confused what "dynamically" means |
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| 00:52.38 | dondelelcaro | mxwlpxwl: yeah, but you're probably not using the same kernel on the liveCD as you are booting with normally. |
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| 00:53.35 | dondelelcaro | proprietarysucks: it's pretty much impossible to figure out automatically how someone is going to use a system. lvm is generally the way to go if you don't know, just because it's flexible. |
| 00:54.10 | proprietarysucks | impossible? |
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| 00:54.24 | proprietarysucks | works fine with kickstart and pre scripts |
| 00:54.33 | dondelelcaro | proprietarysucks: uh... that's not "automatically" |
| 00:54.50 | abrotman | is that dynamically? |
| 00:54.53 | mxwlpxwl | dondelelcaro: ahh, true. ok I'll try to change the "root=" option and find the correct one...should I just begin to guess until it works? |
| 00:54.56 | proprietarysucks | who said automatically? |
| 00:55.16 | dondelelcaro | proprietarysucks: you said "evaluate the system and partition based on that" |
| 00:55.31 | proprietarysucks | right, which is what my kickstart and pre scripts do |
| 00:55.42 | proprietarysucks | I'm asking if debian's installer can do this |
| 00:55.48 | dondelelcaro | proprietarysucks: in what way? just figure out how big the available size is and slice it up appropriately? |
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| 00:55.57 | abrotman | kickstart asks you what kind of system you intend to use and partitions appropriately ? |
| 00:56.00 | ruben | Hello, I am tryin' to setup postfix + domainkeys + debian support using dkimproxy, but how can I force to launch a mail sing submission port 587? or it is enabled by default if I do 'something' ? thanks :) |
| 00:56.07 | abrotman | such as server, desktop, database server? |
| 00:56.24 | h3sp4wn | proprietarysucks: You mean according to what brand and model it is right ? |
| 00:56.33 | proprietarysucks | if you run the pxe command whateveros noswap 300boot restroot that would make that partition |
| 00:56.43 | abrotman | oh! .. preseeding |
| 00:56.51 | abrotman | that's not automagically |
| 00:56.55 | proprietarysucks | if it sees that you have a partition over 2TB, it will make the gpt label |
| 00:56.57 | dondelelcaro | mxwlpxwl: or see if you can catch what the drives are detected by as they go by, yes. |
| 00:57.15 | proprietarysucks | I didn't say automagically or automatically, I said dynamically |
| 00:57.26 | proprietarysucks | as in not the same partitions every time |
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| 00:57.56 | proprietarysucks | let me restart my question since I'm confused now by all the weird replies |
| 00:58.05 | abrotman | we're weird? :) |
| 00:58.07 | abrotman | http://www.us.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/apbs04.html.en#preseed-partman |
| 00:58.34 | proprietarysucks | can I make a debian installer make decisions about the system before installing, instead of only installing what I 'hard-code' into the config file |
| 00:58.57 | abrotman | proprietarysucks: see above and http://www.us.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/apb.html.en |
| 00:59.01 | dondelelcaro | proprietarysucks: yes, by using custom udebs to modify the preseeding bits. |
| 00:59.07 | abrotman | proprietarysucks: i think that's what you're after |
| 00:59.13 | proprietarysucks | decisions based on: the cmdline given, and other arbitrary things |
| 00:59.39 | proprietarysucks | abrotman: that's just a recipe to make partitions as far as I can see |
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| 01:00.02 | abrotman | that's just part of it .. preseeding can do the whole system i suppose |
| 01:00.09 | proprietarysucks | is there no one in here who knows kickstarts? |
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| 01:00.14 | dondelelcaro | proprietarysucks: that's a recipe to do whatever is appropriate based on preseeding. If you want to do more complex things, you just cause non-standard udebs to be installed, and do stuff based on that. |
| 01:00.23 | dondelelcaro | proprietarysucks: we obviously don't use kickstart, because that's redhat. |
| 01:00.33 | dondelelcaro | FAI is the closest equivalent. |
| 01:00.35 | proprietarysucks | some people have tried 2 or more distros |
| 01:00.44 | proprietarysucks | call them crazy I guess but anyways |
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| 01:00.54 | proprietarysucks | ok let me ask this simple question then |
| 01:01.05 | proprietarysucks | pxe booting, I have this: debian4 |
| 01:01.13 | proprietarysucks | that will install debian 4 from pxe server |
| 01:01.30 | proprietarysucks | how can I do this: debian4 min |
| 01:01.39 | proprietarysucks | and have that install a different set of packages than normal? |
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| 01:01.55 | azeem | different how? |
| 01:02.11 | proprietarysucks | in that example it would be 'base' version of the packages |
| 01:02.21 | proprietarysucks | like no x, no kde or gnome, etx |
| 01:02.44 | azeem | you'd have a preseed file which doesn't select any tasks then, I guess |
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| 01:04.07 | ddalton | hey could someone please try to help me with orca? |
| 01:04.15 | ddalton | in gnome? I am on debian of course... |
| 01:04.30 | dondelelcaro | proprietarysucks: see http://hands.com/d-i/ FE. |
| 01:04.32 | azeem | ddalton: you didn't say what your problem is |
| 01:04.51 | ddalton | well I am blind and can't hear any speech. |
| 01:05.03 | ddalton | I piped the output to a text file and think I saw the errors. |
| 01:05.16 | ddalton | But if I point someone to a few sites maybe they will understand it better than me? |
| 01:05.43 | azeem | ddalton: maybe try #gnome-debian on irc.gimp.org then |
| 01:06.23 | ddalton | oh different server? |
| 01:10.28 | techqbert | my power supply only has two SATA connectors. how much do more adapters cost? |
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| 01:10.57 | abrotman | techqbert: newegg.com |
| 01:13.46 | dondelelcaro | generally less than shipping the bloody thigns |
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| 01:20.16 | simonrvn | foo |
| 01:20.29 | abrotman | bar |
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| 01:20.37 | dondelelcaro | baz |
| 01:20.43 | simonrvn | qux |
| 01:20.46 | dondelelcaro | BLEARGH |
| 01:20.51 | simonrvn | hehe |
| 01:21.17 | simonrvn | mm |
| 01:21.39 | simonrvn | bleh blah blearg bleargh ? |
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| 01:23.18 | kb3llm | what is the preferred tutorial for setting up a mail server on debian? |
| 01:23.51 | kb3llm | I'm new to mail serving.. i have samba, ssh, ftp httpd(apache) mysql, php, etc.. just not mail. |
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| 01:24.00 | mxwlpxwl_ | dondelelcaro: well, i've was able to get the system to boot, however it fails on a fsck and i can only boot into maintenance mode. |
| 01:24.13 | abrotman | kb3llm: depends on your mail needs |
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| 01:24.46 | kb3llm | abrotman: well I just want to be able to use my domains, and preferably pop3/smtp (or IMAP) and webmail.. |
| 01:26.17 | kb3llm | abrotman: ? |
| 01:26.37 | dondelelcaro | mxwlpxwl_: it probably doesn't actually fail, it just wants you to run fsck manually. |
| 01:26.48 | dondelelcaro | mxwlpxwl_: do that, and then fix your menu.lst, and you should be good to go. |
| 01:26.56 | cusco | kb3llm: apt-cache search pop3 server |
| 01:26.58 | cusco | pick one |
| 01:27.11 | kb3llm | cusco: they all do webmail? |
| 01:27.16 | cusco | no |
| 01:27.17 | mxwlpxwl_ | dondelelcaro: thnx a million. |
| 01:27.20 | cusco | why should they? |
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| 01:27.36 | abrotman | kb3llm: postfix isn't bad |
| 01:27.39 | kb3llm | cusco: well which ones do? |
| 01:27.41 | hoodlum_ | postfix is nice |
| 01:27.48 | cusco | kb3llm: for webmail you want imapd and squirrelmail |
| 01:28.06 | abrotman | i disagree! |
| 01:28.12 | kb3llm | cusco: they go with postfix or separate? (like I said I'm new to mail hosting) |
| 01:28.39 | cusco | they need a mta... wheather it is postfix or exim it doesn't mather |
| 01:28.42 | abrotman | kb3llm: i'd use postfix+courier+horde .. you may wish to use mysql for bits if it fits your environment |
| 01:29.04 | cusco | there |
| 01:29.39 | kb3llm | abrotman and cusco thanks I will look into them :-) |
| 01:30.53 | abrotman | kb3llm: really you hsould do some research and choose the one that fits your situation best |
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| 01:31.29 | kb3llm | abrotman: will do. I know postfix is popular... and i have heard about courier before.. never heard of horde. |
| 01:31.48 | abrotman | horde.org .. it's webmail (plus a pile of other stuff) |
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| 01:32.10 | abrotman | kb3llm: there are newcomers to the webmail arena too .. one that i tried and liked was roundcube |
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| 01:32.25 | abrotman | dovecot works too .. i've just used courier more |
| 01:32.49 | abrotman | though at work now it runs cyrus because of the shared maildir implementation |
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| 01:33.26 | [SaW]SidViciousI | hi, do u have a help channel? |
| 01:33.48 | abrotman | this is it |
| 01:33.48 | dondelelcaro | [SaW]SidViciousI: you're in it. |
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| 01:34.41 | [SaW]SidViciousI | thanks :) i have a vps, and id like to set up a proxy so i can connect a game server with it, I heard Squid cahe qould be good for that. I was wondering how I would go about setting it up :) |
| 01:34.57 | [SaW]SidViciousI | connect to* |
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| 01:35.09 | [SaW]SidViciousI | well, forgive the spelling mistakes please :P |
| 01:35.58 | abrotman | in debian? |
| 01:36.02 | [SaW]SidViciousI | yes |
| 01:36.17 | [SaW]SidViciousI | im controlling the server through putty |
| 01:36.20 | [SaW]SidViciousI | and ftp |
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| 01:36.46 | dondelelcaro | [SaW]SidViciousI: what is the protocol of the game server? Is there any reason why simplyproxy won't do what you want to do? |
| 01:37.09 | [SaW]SidViciousI | to be honest i dont know I can tell you that i connect to port 7777 :/ |
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| 01:37.15 | eugo | i cant figure out why squirrelmail suddenly stopped recieving new emails. i can send, but i never recieve anything. i CAN use mail to read the sent mail |
| 01:37.34 | eugo | i was changing the <virtualhost> in httpd.conf |
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| 01:38.09 | hdevalence | looking here, http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ , is it possible to get the netinst image for testing? |
| 01:38.17 | eugo | but i have eliminated httpd.conf becouse i reverted the changes |
| 01:38.18 | dondelelcaro | hdevalence: reread the top paragraph again |
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| 01:38.27 | [SaW]SidViciousI | ohh i see.. well i want to use my vps because the game needs a fair ammount of bandwidth, simplyproxy or other proxies wqould be too slow |
| 01:38.39 | dondelelcaro | hdevalence: and continue rereading it until enlightenment is acchieved. |
| 01:39.09 | hdevalence | dondelelcaro: you have no idea how stupid i fell |
| 01:39.21 | hdevalence | even more, now |
| 01:39.27 | dondelelcaro | hdevalence: it's ok; you're not the only person. |
| 01:39.42 | dondelelcaro | people for some reason only read the bold text there. I've no idea why |
| 01:39.42 | [SaW]SidViciousI | im thinking of something like the way a vpn works |
| 01:40.19 | [SaW]SidViciousI | basically i connect to the game server using the vps and so i broadcast the vps' ip instead of my own |
| 01:40.22 | abrotman | hdevalence: yes |
| 01:40.52 | dondelelcaro | [SaW]SidViciousI: yes, so you just proxy 7777 (or whatever) on the vps to the game server's 7777. |
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| 01:41.56 | [SaW]SidViciousI | I guess so. how would i do that? |
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| 01:42.23 | dondelelcaro | [SaW]SidViciousI: using simpleproxy |
| 01:42.51 | [SaW]SidViciousI | simpleproxy.info ? |
| 01:42.58 | [SaW]SidViciousI | the proxy site? |
| 01:43.11 | dondelelcaro | uh... the package in Debian, of course. |
| 01:43.15 | [SaW]SidViciousI | oh lol |
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| 01:43.54 | [SaW]SidViciousI | ill try looking up help for the simpleproxy package through putty |
| 01:44.01 | [SaW]SidViciousI | thanks for now :) |
| 01:44.04 | kb3llm | doing apt-get update and keep getting these errors: |
| 01:44.05 | kb3llm | Wing: GPG error: http://non-us.debian.org stable/non-US Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY F1D53D8C4F368D5D |
| 01:44.06 | kb3llm | Wing: You may want to run apt-get update to correct these problems |
| 01:44.16 | abrotman | non-us doesn't exist |
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| 01:44.26 | dondelelcaro | !non-us |
| 01:44.26 | dpkg | rumour has it, non-us is where we put software that cannot be distributed from the USA. For woody, use "deb http://non-US.debian.org/debian-non-US woody/non-US main contrib non-free" in sources.list, and deb-src if you want sources. Changes in legislation mean that post-Woody, there is no non-us, so you don't need it for Sarge, Etch or Sid. Ask me about "crypto". for the few remaining packages, see ... |
| 01:44.30 | kb3llm | then why do I have it? |
| 01:44.30 | kb3llm | lol |
| 01:44.44 | dondelelcaro | kb3llm: that's a question that only you can answer. |
| 01:44.49 | kb3llm | hehe |
| 01:45.22 | [SaW]SidViciousI | yum is the installer for debian right? |
| 01:45.29 | abrotman | no |
| 01:45.30 | kb3llm | apt |
| 01:45.37 | [SaW]SidViciousI | ah hyes |
| 01:45.41 | abrotman | [SaW]SidViciousI: dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1 |
| 01:46.24 | [SaW]SidViciousI | thanks :D |
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| 01:46.25 | abrotman | i meant i wanted to see what that says :) |
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| 01:46.25 | [SaW]SidViciousI | it says ii libc6 2.3.6.ds1-13 GNU C Library: Shared libraries |
| 01:46.36 | malduin | Does anyone have experience using the "terminal server client" on debian etch?? I'm trying to RDP to my laptop remotely and when I try to login I cannot because it says the domain is unavailable? |
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| 01:47.04 | dondelelcaro | looks like someone needs to add a security sources.list and do some upgrading... |
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| 01:47.52 | [SaW]SidViciousI | hehe, well, i dont really use the vps, plus i heard that upgrading vps yourself was a bad idea, cos they have some kernel and maybe other things that shouldn;t be tampered with |
| 01:48.18 | abrotman | malduin: there's more than one client .. and try using the computer name |
| 01:48.33 | [SaW]SidViciousI | i just want to set up this proxy thing :P its to ban evade on a game :D the admin hates my clan :P |
| 01:48.54 | h3sp4wn | malduin: Can you login as administrator ? |
| 01:48.59 | mxwlpxwl_ | dondelelcaro: i coudln't do an fsck, because the rest of my partitions are lvm, is it possible for me to init 5 from here and everything work properly? |
| 01:49.04 | malduin | abrotman, hmmmm. machines arent in the same domain/workgroup so I was doing so using ip |
| 01:49.34 | malduin | h3sp4wn, let me try local. I can RDP into it no problem from my xp box but not linux |
| 01:49.36 | abrotman | malduin: you can still give it the machien name |
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| 01:50.13 | malduin | abrotman, yeah but I'd have to put that in my linux hosts file for resolution right |
| 01:50.27 | abrotman | you can't connect ? or can't login? |
| 01:50.39 | h3sp4wn | malduin: When I was last messing with such things I had to disable the welcome screen to get it to work (as my user) |
| 01:51.36 | malduin | doh! I'm such a knucklehead. I had the wrong domain entered in the rdp client. I'm in now |
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| 01:52.00 | [SaW]SidViciousI | humm, so u recommend i do 'apt-get update' and 'apt-get upgrade' to install simpleproxy package? |
| 01:52.01 | abrotman | i said that! |
| 01:52.38 | dondelelcaro | mxwlpxwl_: could you fsck the root partition? |
| 01:53.10 | [SaW]SidViciousI | well i vejust done apt-get install simpleproxy , hopefully that will work |
| 01:53.30 | [SaW]SidViciousI | its done! :D |
| 01:53.34 | dondelelcaro | mxwlpxwl_: in theory, once you get to the point where you can fsck the root partitions, the lvm should be up and running too (since that happens during initrd) |
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| 01:55.04 | [SaW]SidViciousI | so now i have simpleproxy how would i set it up so that i can connect to the game server while broadcasting my vps' IP? |
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| 01:56.54 | abrotman | it has documentation |
| 01:57.01 | dhe | when using "redirect" how can i configure that apache should use status code 304? |
| 01:57.16 | simonrvn | 304 is not redirect |
| 01:57.30 | simonrvn | means content not changed |
| 01:57.49 | dhe | 301 i mean |
| 01:58.18 | simonrvn | [R=301] |
| 01:58.20 | [SaW]SidViciousI | well, i typed simpleproxy in putty, and i got some rather cryptic and short usage instructions... do u have a link to the documentation for simpleproxy please? i cant find anything wiht a ggoogle search |
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| 01:58.37 | simonrvn | on the Redirect line |
| 01:58.47 | dhe | ok |
| 01:58.50 | CTho | what do i do if i need to use a binary that depends on glibc 2.4? |
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| 02:00.25 | dondelelcaro | CTho: it should still work on the versions in testing. |
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| 02:00.36 | dondelelcaro | CTho: though you probably should recompile whatever binary this is |
| 02:00.42 | dhe | simonrvn: can i configure this globaly? |
| 02:00.46 | CTho | dondelelcaro: tightvnc viewer |
| 02:01.05 | dondelelcaro | CTho: so aptitude install xtightvncviewer |
| 02:01.06 | dhe | simonrvn: that it is ever used when using "redirect" |
| 02:01.14 | CTho | dondelelcaro: that version is old :( |
| 02:01.34 | abrotman | i heard the vnc protocol is moving at a record pace! |
| 02:01.34 | el_isma | Hi. I'm trying to restore my Zire 21 from a backup, but KPilot says that it can't read the files on the HD (and they're there!). Any clues? |
| 02:02.06 | dondelelcaro | CTho: so get a backport of the version in unstable to stable. |
| 02:02.13 | CTho | dondelelcaro: ok, how? |
| 02:02.34 | dondelelcaro | CTho: or if the version in unstable is to old, update it yourself using uscan and/or uupdate and build a .deb from it. |
| 02:03.44 | [SaW]SidViciousI | how cna i learn to use simpleproxy on my vps to connect to a game server while broadcasting my vps' IP? do u have any links to documentation i could look at please? can;t find anything, and i dont understand the little help the usage instructions i get in putty |
| 02:03.48 | hon | [SaW]SidViciousI: maybe you need to look into /usr/share/doc/simpleproxy ? |
| 02:04.00 | dondelelcaro | or man simpleproxy; it really is simple. |
| 02:04.08 | [SaW]SidViciousI | lol |
| 02:04.27 | [SaW]SidViciousI | right, ok thanks hon :) |
| 02:04.43 | hon | np |
| 02:05.43 | kb3llm | guys I'm trying to follow the tut here: http://www.howtoforge.com/perfect_setup_debian_etch_p5 and on the SSL part of it, I am getting: |
| 02:05.43 | kb3llm | 27529:error:0906906F:PEM routines:PEM_ASN1_write_bio:read key:pem_lib.c:331: |
| 02:05.56 | CTho | ok |
| 02:05.59 | CTho | thx |
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| 02:06.25 | Vesperto | Anyone awake? I need some xmodmap info. |
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| 02:07.25 | dondelelcaro | !ask |
| 02:07.26 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org |
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| 02:08.11 | Vesperto | As if. Geeks. |
| 02:08.38 | [SaW]SidViciousI | O_o |
| 02:08.52 | [SaW]SidViciousI | Verperto, these people are here to help. Just ask nicely :D |
| 02:09.28 | Vesperto | !How can i add extra characters to a regular key? I want c to be c, C as well as c with ^ and C with ^, using a keycombination: cx = ^c and Cx = ^C |
| 02:09.50 | Vesperto | [SaW]SidViciousI: If i !ask a bot will "answer", what's the point? |
| 02:10.35 | [SaW]SidViciousI | lol no i dont mean !ask, i mean just ask "How can i add extra characters to a regular key? I want c to be c, C as well as c with ^ and C with ^, using a keycombination: cx = ^c and Cx = ^C" for example, u dont need the ! xD |
| 02:10.59 | [SaW]SidViciousI | dondelelcaro is not a bot :P |
| 02:10.59 | Vesperto | Oh... :) |
| 02:11.08 | cusco | es mesmom esperto |
| 02:11.13 | Vesperto | [SaW]SidViciousI: no, dpkg is ;) |
| 02:11.17 | [SaW]SidViciousI | hehe yeah |
| 02:11.24 | Vesperto | cusco: diz? |
| 02:11.34 | cusco | esperto |
| 02:11.44 | dondelelcaro | Vesperto: you mean like ĉ? |
| 02:11.47 | [SaW]SidViciousI | but he was doing !ask so that he instructions on how to ask a question for help would come up automatically |
| 02:11.55 | [SaW]SidViciousI | to save himself the trouble im going through :P |
| 02:12.02 | dondelelcaro | Vesperto: what you're actually trying to do isn't entirely clear. |
| 02:12.18 | Vesperto | dondelelcaro: yup, i want cx to produce ĉ 'cos i'm lazy and don't wanna do ^+c. :) |
| 02:12.24 | eugo | anyone set up squirrelmail before? |
| 02:12.41 | dondelelcaro | Vesperto: you mean compose c-x, I assume? |
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| 02:12.50 | Vesperto | dondelelcaro: alternatively, i can not be lazy. Or, i can use AltGr instead, i just don't know how to fiddle with xmodmap. I'm using a portuguese keyboard. |
| 02:12.58 | Vesperto | cusco: não, Vesperto é morcego em esperanto. |
| 02:13.09 | dondelelcaro | Vesperto: or is there a cx key? |
| 02:13.11 | Vesperto | dondelelcaro: c+x=ĉ |
| 02:13.42 | [SaW]SidViciousI | well the instructions in the simpleproxy README tell me to do './configure' .. but I get "./configure: No such file or directory" :/ |
| 02:13.47 | Vesperto | dondelelcaro: no biggie, i just need to know how to write the .Xmodmap file, the structure. |
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| 02:13.59 | cusco | I think he menas pressing c and x instead of altgr and c |
| 02:14.15 | Vesperto | cusco: yes he does. |
| 02:14.25 | simonrvn | Ä Ä‰ |
| 02:14.30 | Vesperto | Although i'm good for both, or even ^ and c |
| 02:14.52 | simonrvn | i get that with compose c c and compose ^ c |
| 02:15.41 | dondelelcaro | Vesperto: .Xmodmap is just a series of commands to xmodmap; nothing particularly special about it. |
| 02:15.59 | Vesperto | The pt keyboard has a ^~ key which is good for a few vowels, they're dead accents as far as i could grok it. Pressing ^ and a will produce ã. |
| 02:17.03 | Vesperto | dondelelcaro: i know, but i'd like ^ to work with 6 consonants; or use consonant+x [pressing and holding c, pressing x, would give ĉ]; or AltGr+c would give ĉ Anyone of those 3 methos. |
| 02:17.15 | [SaW]SidViciousI | dodelelcaro: if its so simple why don't u just tell me how to do it simply, please :P |
| 02:17.21 | dondelelcaro | Vesperto: but it's still not clear to me exactly what you're trying to do. All xmodmap does is modify the keycode<=>keysym connection. |
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| 02:17.49 | dondelelcaro | [SaW]SidViciousI: simpleproxy -r remotehost:port -p localport; |
| 02:18.00 | dondelelcaro | (from memory; I don't have that manual in front of me) |
| 02:18.35 | Vesperto | dondelelcaro: i want to add keycodes to 6 keys, so that c no only produces Cc but also Ĉĉ by using one of those 3 methods. |
| 02:20.22 | Vesperto | In my case, u, s, g, h, j and c. All ^ except u, oughta have a breve, bull i'll get the keycodes from xev. |
| 02:20.53 | dondelelcaro | Vesperto: that has nothing to do with the keycodes produced, but the combination of the keysyms produced to form symbols. |
| 02:21.06 | dondelelcaro | Vesperto: you're most likely looking to change either the locale, or your locale's compose file. |
| 02:21.27 | [SaW]SidViciousI | dondelelcaro: so then, when I connect to the server as usual (using my windows client) i will broadcast the vps's ip instead of my own ? :o |
| 02:21.52 | dondelelcaro | [SaW]SidViciousI: no, you connect to your vps. |
| 02:22.10 | dondelelcaro | [SaW]SidViciousI: and it proxies the connection through to the server. |
| 02:22.49 | [SaW]SidViciousI | ah so remotehost:port is my normally broadcast IP:port? and localhost:port is my 127.0.0.1:7777 type info? |
| 02:23.05 | Vesperto | dondelelcaro: neither, in my old debian box i had a ~/.mapeo file with stuff like "254 C c Ccircumflez ccircumflex" a bunch of lines like that. I had "xmodmap ~/.mapeo" in my .xinitrc, so it added those extra symbols to my regular keyboard. |
| 02:23.41 | Vesperto | Then, i as using AltGr as a modifier. |
| 02:24.58 | dondelelcaro | Vesperto: if you're using AltGr as the mode switch key, then you just do the same thing, with keycode 54 = c C ccircumflex CCircumlfex |
| 02:25.37 | dondelelcaro | Vesperto: however, the right way to do that is to fix your keyboard's compose map so that the deadkey and normal key combinations produce the keysyms that you want. |
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| 02:26.16 | Vesperto | dondelelcaro: AltGr is the lazy way, how can i fix the deadkey? It works for a few vowels only. |
| 02:27.05 | dondelelcaro | Vesperto: what locale are you using? |
| 02:27.11 | Vesperto | dondelelcaro: pt i assume... |
| 02:27.19 | dondelelcaro | pt_BR? |
| 02:27.26 | dondelelcaro | but don't assume... |
| 02:27.36 | [SaW]SidViciousI | dondelelcaro: so an example... if 84.123.4.43 is my broadcast IP atm, and 7777 is the port i want to go through.. I would write 'simpleproxy -r 86.27.170.206:7777 -p localhost:port' ? |
| 02:27.37 | Vesperto | Eeeeew it's all en_US.UTF-8 |
| 02:28.01 | Vesperto | I'd rather pt_PT.UTF-8 |
| 02:28.06 | dondelelcaro | Vesperto: well, en_US.UTF-8 has them right if your deadkey actually returns the right stuff |
| 02:28.18 | Vesperto | dondelelcaro: i guess.... works normally. |
| 02:28.27 | dondelelcaro | [SaW]SidViciousI: no. the remote is the game server, and -p is just the port number. |
| 02:29.10 | dondelelcaro | Vesperto: does deadtilde space; give you ~? and shift deadtilde space; give you ^? |
| 02:29.14 | dondelelcaro | (or vice versa?) |
| 02:29.51 | Vesperto | dondelelcaro: deadtile space gives me ~ yes |
| 02:29.57 | dondelelcaro | Vesperto: and with shift? |
| 02:30.03 | Vesperto | ^ |
| 02:30.14 | dondelelcaro | Vesperto: and shift deadtilde c? |
| 02:30.33 | [SaW]SidViciousI | dondelelcaro: so if the game IP is 198.23.43.21 and the port i connect to is 7777, then i do 'simpleproxy -r 198.23.43.21:7777 -p 7777' and that will connect the vps to the game server? |
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| 02:30.45 | dondelelcaro | [SaW]SidViciousI: something like that, yes. |
| 02:30.53 | Vesperto | doactually, it beeps |
| 02:31.03 | [SaW]SidViciousI | ok cool, and so how do i connect to the game through the vps? |
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| 02:31.13 | dondelelcaro | [SaW]SidViciousI: you connect to your vps at port 7777. |
| 02:31.29 | Vesperto | dondelelcaro: it beeps, outputs nothing |
| 02:31.31 | [SaW]SidViciousI | ohh i see.. and i gues sid do that through the client :D |
| 02:31.51 | [SaW]SidViciousI | putting my vps ip instead of the normalg game ip |
| 02:32.32 | dondelelcaro | Vesperto: without shift what does it output? |
| 02:33.32 | dondelelcaro | Vesperto: <dead_circumflex> <c> : "#" U0109 # LATIN SMALL LETTER C WITH CIRCUMFLEX <-- this is the mapping that should be being used for that key when shift is held down to produce ĉ |
| 02:33.36 | Vesperto | dondelelcaro: without shift? just pressing the ~^ key outputs nothing, it waits for me to press another key. |
| 02:33.51 | dondelelcaro | Vesperto: c after, of course. |
| 02:33.55 | [SaW]SidViciousI | dondelelcaro: well i think maybe ur memory isn't quite correct, the usage instructions say... " simpleproxy -L <[host:]port> -R <host:port> [-d] [-v] [-V] [-7] [-i] [-p PID file] [-P <POP3 accounts list file>] [-f cfgfile] [-t tracefile] [-D delay in sec.] [-S <HTTPS proxy host:port> [-a <HTTP Auth user>:<HTTP Auth password>] ]" what is the actual line id have to write? |
| 02:34.17 | dondelelcaro | [SaW]SidViciousI: so it's -L port -R host:port -d; should be pretty obvious. |
| 02:34.36 | [SaW]SidViciousI | ok xD im a total linux noob |
| 02:34.39 | [SaW]SidViciousI | thank you :) |
| 02:34.57 | asBook | linux? whats that |
| 02:35.01 | [SaW]SidViciousI | xD |
| 02:35.30 | Vesperto | dondelelcaro: ah, ~+c beeps, no output, ~+space produces ~. Can i add something like "keycode dead_circumflex c U0109"? |
| 02:36.04 | dondelelcaro | Vesperto: that won't do anything |
| 02:36.24 | dondelelcaro | Vesperto: what does xev say for a keycode for ~? |
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| 02:36.43 | dondelelcaro | Vesperto: double check with xmodmap -pke|less; and make sure that it matches up. |
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| 02:37.43 | dondelelcaro | Vesperto: also, people in #debian-br may be able to help you better. |
| 02:37.44 | ddalton | ok, Apparently x isn't set up properly. when I type into gdm my user name nothing is typed. |
| 02:37.51 | ddalton | what do I do? |
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| 02:38.07 | Vesperto | aaaaaaah this is usefull, that's the sintax i'm looking for... |
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| 02:39.45 | abrotman | ddalton: can you type other places? |
| 02:40.20 | ddalton | abrotman: like where? consoles? |
| 02:40.24 | ddalton | like alt f1? |
| 02:40.25 | abrotman | yes |
| 02:40.35 | Vesperto | woah geek omega on Shift+AltGr+Q? |
| 02:40.45 | [SaW]SidViciousI | dondelelcaro: when i wrote that command in it just umm, returned nothing, and the normal game client isnt recognising my vps' IP:localport ... :/ how do i connect ? D: |
| 02:40.46 | ddalton | and btw I enabled 8 consoles then installed x so its on console 9 is that ok? |
| 02:41.04 | dondelelcaro | [SaW]SidViciousI: netstat -plunt; to make sure it's running on 7777. |
| 02:41.32 | ddalton | wellm I can type into my irc client here which has nothing to do with gnome... |
| 02:41.36 | [SaW]SidViciousI | id like it to work like a vpn , so i can my pc to the vps using something like CISCOvpn and then surf, play normally but broadcasting the vps IP |
| 02:42.00 | abrotman | ddalton: did you choose the correct keyboard layout for x? |
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| 02:42.20 | ddalton | I didn't set it up. last time I ran x configure I broke it more... |
| 02:42.38 | ddalton | should I just ok all screens and think about it when I get to the keyboard stuff? |
| 02:42.57 | abrotman | i'm guessing you have qwerty ? |
| 02:43.07 | ddalton | yeah |
| 02:43.33 | abrotman | it's not special in any way? |
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| 02:43.57 | ddalton | no just from the local computer store. came with my brand new box. |
| 02:44.08 | twiggz | woudl anyone know why two machines running samba on debian etch i cant open the files i can see between the shared folders? |
| 02:44.10 | ddalton | which uses my old keyboard. I got two keyboards... |
| 02:44.22 | twiggz | i cant open them, copy them, nothing. |
| 02:44.29 | twiggz | but i can see that they are there. |
| 02:44.41 | ohok | is samba really the best way to share folders bw 2 etch boxes ?? |
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| 02:45.17 | twiggz | you have a better idea? ive heard that NFS is pretty shitty on linux. |
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| 02:46.03 | ddalton | is there a way I can just configure my keyboard? |
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| 02:46.29 | twiggz | that doesnt negate the fact that samba may or may not be shitty also.. |
| 02:46.35 | twiggz | but im open to suggestions. |
| 02:47.14 | Vesperto | dondelelcaro: where is it defined which keys can the deadkeys effect on? |
| 02:47.33 | ohok | its kind of verboten to say on this channel, but on os x, shared folders "just works" |
| 02:47.48 | ohok | :-X |
| 02:48.22 | twiggz | well go sit around a campfire and sing kumbahyah with the rest of the osx monkeys that cant shut the fuck up in #osx. i asked question concerning debian linux. |
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| 02:49.02 | twiggz | (whilst sipping starbucks at barnes and nobles with your powerbook) |
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| 02:49.15 | PumpkinPie | how do I import a mysql dump but I want it to over write my data? |
| 02:49.26 | ohok | twiggz - surely you mean macbook, don't you |
| 02:49.35 | ohok | <--- %*!* |
| 02:49.50 | dondelelcaro | Vesperto: in the compose map for your keyboard. |
| 02:50.07 | abrotman | PumpkinPie: #mysql |
| 02:50.15 | twiggz | no, surely i mean that if you dont know an answer or want to offer any help on a subject then keep your fucking pie hole closed. |
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| 02:50.31 | PumpkinPie | abortman: that place is totally idle |
| 02:50.32 | ohok | :-X |
| 02:50.36 | ddalton | can someone help me? |
| 02:51.09 | dondelelcaro | ddalton: you may actually want to consider not using gdm, but startx from one of your working consoles. |
| 02:51.46 | Vesperto | dondelelcaro: where can i edit that file? The xmodmap -pke|less output game lines that define the keycods and their keys, but it doesn't define a relation. For isntance, i have "keycode 26 = e E EuroSign cent EuroSign cent" as well as "keycode 51 = dead_tilde dead_circumflex dead_grave...", but there's no relation there that implies É and é |
| 02:52.10 | Vesperto | *gave |
| 02:52.11 | ddalton | well I am told I need gdm for orca? |
| 02:53.18 | dondelelcaro | ddalton: it's not required, but it may work best actually. |
| 02:53.42 | ddalton | are you familiar with orca? |
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| 02:54.03 | dondelelcaro | ddalton: I've never used it, but I can tell just by reading the description |
| 02:54.36 | ddalton | could you help me out in #something? |
| 02:54.51 | ddalton | its a bit busy here and I find it hard to read everything you say. |
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| 02:56.28 | dondelelcaro | ddalton: it'd be best to just stay here if at all possible, because I'm personally liable to disappear at any moment |
| 02:56.28 | Vesperto | Where can i find the compose map for my keyboard? |
| 02:56.55 | dondelelcaro | Vesperto: in /usr/share/X11/locale/; I don't remember how you can change it though. [Editing those files is the wrong method.] |
| 02:57.55 | Vesperto | dondelelcaro: well, xmodmap -pke|less already gave me the sintax and keycodes, i'll just use the AltGr method for the time being. Thanks for the help. |
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| 02:58.54 | dondelelcaro | Vesperto: yeah, I'd try asking on debian-user@lists.debian.org or a targetted google search may assist you |
| 02:59.41 | Vesperto | dondelelcaro: will do, thanks. |
| 02:59.44 | VincentC | i have a procedure to get my wireless card to work with ndiswrapper but it seems like i have to go through it each time i log out |
| 02:59.55 | VincentC | is there a way to automate the steps? |
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| 03:00.07 | dondelelcaro | Vesperto: you can just write a script to do whatever you need to do |
| 03:00.11 | dev0 | anyone know a good fileshare server? |
| 03:00.24 | dev0 | (irc server that is..) |
| 03:00.28 | dondelelcaro | dev0: for what? like rapidshare? |
| 03:00.41 | dev0 | well, i want to ftp |
| 03:00.47 | dev0 | same concept..?..! |
| 03:00.54 | dondelelcaro | so install an ftp server |
| 03:01.12 | dev0 | who am i gonna ftp from/to? |
| 03:01.17 | dev0 | i dont know anyone nemore |
| 03:01.21 | dev0 | =\ |
| 03:01.24 | Vesperto | dondelelcaro: yup, i'll just have xmodmap read it from .xinitrc, overwritting those particular keys. Thanks. |
| 03:01.46 | abrotman | dev0: this isn't a filesharing channel |
| 03:01.53 | dev0 | uh, no shit? |
| 03:01.56 | dev0 | here |
| 03:02.00 | dev0 | lemme help u abrotman |
| 03:02.21 | abrotman | help me what? |
| 03:02.26 | VincentC | if i would like to set up my debian machine in a manner such that i can ssh in from school to home, execute programs and grab files from the home server, what should i be looking into? |
| 03:02.26 | s32raph | now if i want to ask a normal question, i think i can squeeze one or two after ive helped 50 ppl on this channel |
| 03:02.29 | BlueToothz | hello once again all - how can i get details about my system in linux. memory, hard drive, cpu speed, etc |
| 03:02.39 | Olgem | BlueToothz: lshw |
| 03:02.40 | s32raph | bluetoothz: try uname -a |
| 03:02.40 | abrotman | !whats my hardware |
| 03:02.40 | dpkg | You can use lspci, lsusb, lsscsi, lspcmcia, lshal, hwinfo, dmidecode, and/or lshw to find out what kind of hardware your machine might have, or or you could crack the lid and look inside ... oooh, shiny! |
| 03:03.09 | s32raph | anyways abrotman: basically im asking one normal question, u can untwist ur panties |
| 03:03.32 | VincentC | what kind of server would i be looking at? |
| 03:03.36 | BlueToothz | abrotman that helps me yea but ls* is what? |
| 03:03.37 | dondelelcaro | s32raph: your question doesn't make any sense, and it doesn't appear to be related to Debian at all. |
| 03:03.38 | abrotman | s32raph: this still isn't a filesharing channel |
| 03:03.40 | cyberfr0g | hey |
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| 03:04.02 | s32raph | abrotman im gonna fucking make you a filesharing channel now shut the fuck up, im almost done here |
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| 03:04.11 | BlueToothz | Olgem, no such command found :( |
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| 03:04.18 | BlueToothz | s32raph, wtf is with the temper |
| 03:04.19 | BlueToothz | ?? |
| 03:04.40 | dondelelcaro | VincentC: just install openssh-server and you can ssh in from school or wherever. You may need to portforward on your firewall, too. |
| 03:04.55 | abrotman | BlueToothz: what are you actually looking for |
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| 03:05.01 | cyberfr0g | investigating |
| 03:05.04 | VincentC | dondelelcaro: thanks |
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| 03:05.38 | Olgem | BlueToothz: install it then |
| 03:05.40 | BlueToothz | abrotman. the stats of my linux machine without opening it up as Dpkg said |
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| 03:06.02 | abrotman | BlueToothz: which stats? the bot just told you how |
| 03:07.36 | BlueToothz | abrotman, the actual memory i have in the system, hard drive amount, and cpu speed |
| 03:07.44 | abrotman | the bot just told you |
| 03:07.51 | BlueToothz | Olgem, abrotman, i installed lshw but i cant underatand that |
| 03:07.54 | BlueToothz | understand* |
| 03:08.06 | BlueToothz | its about 5 pages |
| 03:08.12 | BlueToothz | or more |
| 03:08.20 | abrotman | oh .. that's different |
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| 03:10.02 | BlueToothz | abrotman, i thought so too. that is why im asking the same question to you :) |
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| 03:10.27 | abrotman | it kind of spits it out .. seems easy enough to me |
| 03:10.32 | abrotman | paste what you don't understand |
| 03:11.03 | CutMeOwnThroat | is there a way to have a more extended test to find out if an unencrypted wlan is "free wlan" or a commercial (wep-)unencrypted one with different type of authentification (i.e. ping to the network address of a publicly accessible DNS server) |
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| 03:12.10 | BlueToothz | abrotman, nevermind, iits clear to view but very veyr long |
| 03:12.26 | abrotman | eh .. so it makes sense now ? |
| 03:13.22 | CutMeOwnThroat | does the world ever make sense? |
| 03:13.49 | BlueToothz | abrotman, yes. i was looking for just a "Motherboard: HDD: Memory:" type setup - probably why I was confused |
| 03:13.54 | homecable | how do i keep my screen from going blank when it idles ? |
| 03:14.01 | abrotman | !blank |
| 03:14.05 | CutMeOwnThroat | ehe |
| 03:14.06 | unix_infidel | !ubuntu |
| 03:14.06 | abrotman | nice timing |
| 03:14.08 | CutMeOwnThroat | abrotman: haha |
| 03:14.10 | homecable | thanks |
| 03:14.14 | abrotman | uhoh |
| 03:14.17 | homecable | you killed it |
| 03:14.21 | abrotman | no .. that's not good |
| 03:14.28 | unix_infidel | lol |
| 03:14.36 | dondelelcaro | heh. restarting that machine, actually. |
| 03:14.38 | CutMeOwnThroat | homecable: kill the screensaver |
| 03:14.51 | abrotman | homecable: in X or console ? |
| 03:15.22 | CutMeOwnThroat | depends which one it is... xscreensaver comes to mind (ps aux |grep saver) |
| 03:15.22 | homecable | console |
| 03:15.35 | abrotman | homecable: man setterm |
| 03:15.41 | unix_infidel | anyone here running lenny on a thinkpad t42? |
| 03:15.41 | CutMeOwnThroat | hm, then not that one :) |
| 03:15.51 | homecable | i did that |
| 03:15.58 | abrotman | i believe it's setterm -blank 0 |
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| 03:16.39 | CutMeOwnThroat | ~blank |
| 03:16.40 | apt | ACTION |
| 03:16.45 | abrotman | nice |
| 03:16.48 | abrotman | ravenbird: blank |
| 03:16.49 | ravenbird | methinks blank is a budget screensaver for linux. To turn it off, run 'setterm -blank 0'. At the same time, you may want to add that to the end of /etc/init.d/bootmisc.sh |
| 03:17.01 | abrotman | that one doesn't talk about dpms |
| 03:17.29 | CutMeOwnThroat | I thought they're identical? |
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| 03:19.06 | downhillgames | 'ello |
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| 03:19.59 | unix_infidel | !ubuntu |
| 03:19.59 | dpkg | Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu (irc.freenode.net) instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. |
| 03:20.33 | abrotman | CutMeOwnThroat: at least i didn't wait for that |
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| 03:24.01 | CutMeOwnThroat | argh |
| 03:24.43 | dondelelcaro | Vesperto: please turn whatever that is off. |
| 03:24.58 | CutMeOwnThroat | I think it's an "away" in gibberish |
| 03:25.01 | Vesperto | Is there a debconf for keyboards? |
| 03:26.24 | abrotman | Vesperto: your irc client is broken |
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| 03:26.52 | Vesperto | dondelelcaro: that was a weird keyboard combination, my a/z keys beep at every keypress, only in xchat though... Er... |
| 03:27.18 | Vesperto | Is there a debconf for the keyboard? |
| 03:27.40 | Vesperto | abrotman: it-s not the client, it-s the user |
| 03:28.04 | CutMeOwnThroat | it's also the client... you could switch announcing "away" off |
| 03:28.19 | CutMeOwnThroat | and I think we don't understand your question |
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| 03:28.41 | spoof3r | hey im having a problem. i downloaded glib-2.12.0 and installed it to Desktop/Downloads and uncompressed it, then ran ./configure, make, make install and now its installed. Then I try installing atk by running ./configure in the atk directory i downloaded and uncompressed, but at the end it says "configure: error: GLIB 2.0.0 or better is required. if GLIB is installed but not in the same location as pkg-config add the location of the file gli |
| 03:29.01 | dondelelcaro | spoof3r: why are you compiling glib? |
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| 03:29.12 | Vesperto | CutMeOwnThroat: right, done that. I need to reset my kleyboard to its default map, ive been fiddling around with xkeycaps with no good results |
| 03:29.14 | dondelelcaro | spoof3r: it sure sounds like you want to install build-essential. |
| 03:29.31 | spoof3r | i did install build-essential...at least i think so |
| 03:29.33 | \amethyst | Why would glib need glib in order to compile? |
| 03:29.41 | \amethyst | because that's what it sounds like |
| 03:29.47 | spoof3r | im compiling atk |
| 03:30.03 | dondelelcaro | spoof3r: why are you compiling libatk? |
| 03:30.07 | VincentC | hmmm i need a series of commands to be run as root each time upon startup |
| 03:30.11 | Vesperto | dondelelcaro: after screwing around my keyboard is now really en?US, the nonA/Z keys no longer map correctly >( |
| 03:30.19 | VincentC | where would i put the shell script? |
| 03:30.21 | spoof3r | i did "aptitude install build-essential" and it installed that |
| 03:30.26 | \amethyst | spoof3r: sounds like you don't have the glib development libraries installed |
| 03:30.37 | abrotman | !run at startup |
| 03:30.37 | dpkg | Make a init script by copying /etc/init.d/skeleton, put it in /etc/init.d/ then install it with update-rc.d, or read /etc/init.d/README, or as a user you can also use a cron entry with @reboot |
| 03:30.41 | \amethyst | spoof3r: what version of atk is this, exactly? |
| 03:30.47 | spoof3r | one sec lemme look |
| 03:30.54 | spoof3r | atk-1.20.0 |
| 03:30.57 | VincentC | ah thanks |
| 03:31.06 | \amethyst | spoof3r: Is there a reason you can't use the debian source package from sid or lenny? |
| 03:31.06 | homecable | !blank |
| 03:31.06 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, blank is a line with nothing at all, a space or even one #, ;, etc. is not blank. |
| 03:31.30 | abrotman | wtf |
| 03:31.34 | \amethyst | spoof3r: 1.20.0 is in sid and lenny, and with the source package you can build something that is much more likely to work with debian application |
| 03:31.34 | spoof3r | well im trying GTK+ |
| 03:31.40 | homecable | !setterm |
| 03:31.41 | \amethyst | spoof3r: what version of gtk+? |
| 03:31.44 | spoof3r | and it says it needs it installed |
| 03:31.48 | spoof3r | gtk+-2.10.0 |
| 03:31.50 | spoof3r | lastest stable |
| 03:31.55 | abrotman | that's freaking useles |
| 03:31.58 | abrotman | s |
| 03:32.19 | dondelelcaro | spoof3r: lets back up here; what is your desired end state here? What exactly are you trying to build? |
| 03:32.24 | \amethyst | spoof3r: hmm... that's older than the version currently in sid |
| 03:32.45 | dondelelcaro | spoof3r: almost everything that you'd need to run is already available and packaged in Debian. Those few things that aren't tend to be easily compilable with versions of things that are. |
| 03:32.48 | homecable | !setterm |
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| 03:32.58 | Vesperto | How do i change the layout of my keyboard automagically_ |
| 03:33.00 | abrotman | homecable: man setterm |
| 03:33.05 | spoof3r | ok lets start from square one. I need to install GTK+. for it to install, it asked that i install glib, pango, and atk |
| 03:33.07 | homecable | i did man it |
| 03:33.11 | abrotman | okay .. |
| 03:33.12 | homecable | i tryed alot of stuff |
| 03:33.13 | \amethyst | spoof3r: back up a little bit more |
| 03:33.20 | \amethyst | spoof3r: why do you need to install GTK+? |
| 03:33.23 | spoof3r | ive installed glib, pango, but atk wont install because when i run the ./configure it gives an error |
| 03:33.26 | spoof3r | because i was told to |
| 03:33.33 | dondelelcaro | spoof3r: by whom? and for what reason? |
| 03:33.40 | \amethyst | spoof3r: and the version in debian isn't good enough? |
| 03:33.59 | spoof3r | no it needs to be newer |
| 03:34.23 | dondelelcaro | what are you trying to build that requires a newer version of gtk? |
| 03:34.29 | spoof3r | i need 2.10 or later. the version i have is to old |
| 03:34.33 | spoof3r | im not building anything right now |
| 03:34.38 | \amethyst | what needs 2.10? |
| 03:34.43 | spoof3r | i have no idea |
| 03:34.47 | \amethyst | ... |
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| 03:34.55 | \amethyst | spoof3r: would 2.12 be okay? |
| 03:35.06 | spoof3r | yeah... |
| 03:35.13 | \amethyst | then you might want to try |
| 03:35.16 | spoof3r | wait no |
| 03:35.17 | \amethyst | !simple sid backport |
| 03:35.17 | dpkg | First: See if the package has already been backported. Ask me about <backports>. If it hasn't, 1) Add a deb-src line for sid to your sources.list. 2) apt-get update 3) apt-get build-dep packagename;apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resultant debs. |
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| 03:35.57 | \amethyst | spoof3r: the current problem seems to be that the glib development libraries you installed aren't being found |
| 03:36.01 | dondelelcaro | !info libglib2.0-0 testing |
| 03:36.05 | dpkg | libglib2.0-0: (The GLib library of C routines), section libs, is optional. Version: 2.14.3-1 (lenny), Packaged size: 537 kB, Installed size: 1156 kB |
| 03:36.10 | dondelelcaro | !info libglib2.0-0 etch |
| 03:36.14 | dpkg | libglib2.0-0: (The GLib library of C routines), section libs, is optional. Version: 2.12.4-2 (etch), Packaged size: 492 kB, Installed size: 1084 kB |
| 03:36.23 | \amethyst | dpkg: gtk is 2.12 and 2.8 respectively |
| 03:36.24 | dpkg | ...but gtk is already something else... |
| 03:36.24 | nocti | how do you list the paths that a pkg installs to? thanks |
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| 03:36.28 | \amethyst | err |
| 03:36.31 | spoof3r | \amethyst: so how do i go about fixing this |
| 03:36.33 | \amethyst | dondelelcaro: ^^ |
| 03:36.51 | \amethyst | spoof3r: My recommendation would be to build the packages from debian sources |
| 03:36.55 | dondelelcaro | spoof3r: start by removing whatever you've installed, and then backport the specific versions of the libraries that you require from unstable. |
| 03:37.03 | dondelelcaro | but best of luck |
| 03:37.05 | \amethyst | spoof3r: Otherwise, you might want to try a gtk channel |
| 03:37.25 | spoof3r | well its not a problem with gtk, its a problem with installing atk |
| 03:37.34 | spoof3r | but yeah i understand what you're saying |
| 03:37.47 | mxwlpxwl_ | dondelelcaro: thanks for all the help. i was able to boot up. Now I'm backing up EVERYTHING! |
| 03:37.49 | mxwlpxwl_ | thanks |
| 03:38.09 | dondelelcaro | mxwlpxwl_: np; backups are always a great idea. |
| 03:38.13 | \amethyst | spoof3r: I suspect the development libraries for glib, or maybe it's package config, got put somewhere that libatk's configure isn't looking at it |
| 03:38.22 | \amethyst | spoof3r: you can try looking at config.log for more info |
| 03:38.30 | spoof3r | basically im trying to install atk and it wont let me run the configure file. it gets a long way but then gives me the error "configure: error: GLIB 2.0.0 or better is required. if GLIB is installed but not in the same location as pkg-config add the location of the file glib-2.0.pc to the environment variable PKG_CONFIG_PATH" |
| 03:38.54 | \amethyst | spoof3r: Did you try following that suggestion? |
| 03:39.12 | dondelelcaro | spoof3r: right, because you need libglib2.0-dev installed. |
| 03:39.12 | spoof3r | configure.log? within the atk installer? |
| 03:39.37 | wols_ | spoof3r: within the directory the ./configure is in, wherever that is |
| 03:39.41 | \amethyst | spoof3r: yes, it will tell you exactly what steps it tried following to locate the package config |
| 03:39.42 | spoof3r | dondelercaro: how can i do so? |
| 03:39.51 | dondelelcaro | spoof3r: aptitude install libglib2.0-dev; |
| 03:39.53 | wols_ | spoof3r: install it |
| 03:39.56 | \amethyst | err |
| 03:40.04 | spoof3r | ok one sec. let me look up that log file too. thanks |
| 03:40.16 | dondelelcaro | spoof3r: and you probably don't even need to build atk, because you can just aptitude install libatk1.0-dev |
| 03:40.19 | \amethyst | well, that will give you a libatk that's linked against glib 2.12 |
| 03:41.04 | dondelelcaro | sure, which should be good enough, unless you need a glib that's newer than 2.12. |
| 03:41.11 | spoof3r | ok i ran aptitude install libatk1.0-dev |
| 03:41.16 | spoof3r | now for the log file.... |
| 03:41.29 | dondelelcaro | anwyay, not my problem anymore. |
| 03:42.14 | \amethyst | actually... |
| 03:42.24 | spoof3r | boom that worked |
| 03:42.34 | spoof3r | thanks so much guys. |
| 03:42.40 | \amethyst | it does seem that the etch version of libatk can be used for building newer gtk, at least going by the sid gtk build-depends |
| 03:43.23 | Vesperto | How do i map my keyboard to pt_PT.UTF-8? |
| 03:43.45 | spoof3r | dang how can i install the JPEG library? |
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| 03:43.54 | spoof3r | im not sure what the package to aptitude would be called. |
| 03:44.25 | \amethyst | spoof3r: libjpeg62-dev |
| 03:45.23 | \amethyst | spoof3r: really, you should try following the simple sid backport instructions to build gtk 2.12.3. If you really need 2.10 and nothing newer, try snapshot.debian.net |
| 03:45.25 | CutMeOwnThroat | nocti: dpkg -L |
| 03:46.33 | spoof3r | as long as its 2.10 or newer im good. im just not sure how to go about doing it that way |
| 03:46.51 | \amethyst | !simple sid backport |
| 03:46.51 | dpkg | First: See if the package has already been backported. Ask me about <backports>. If it hasn't, 1) Add a deb-src line for sid to your sources.list. 2) apt-get update 3) apt-get build-dep packagename;apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resultant debs. |
| 03:47.05 | Vesperto | How do i map my keyboard to its language? It's acting us and i need pt. |
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| 03:47.33 | \amethyst | Vesperto: using Gnome? |
| 03:47.49 | Vesperto | \amethyst: yes. |
| 03:48.01 | \amethyst | Vesperto: try gnome-keyboard-properties ("Keyboard" in the Control Center) |
| 03:48.38 | CutMeOwnThroat | is there a way to have a more extended test to find out if an unencrypted wlan is "free wlan" or a commercial (wep-)unencrypted one with different type of authentification (i.e. ping to the network address of a publicly accessible DNS server) |
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| 03:49.14 | Vesperto | \amethyst: system > prefs > keyboard and choosing pt as layout doesnt work, i screwed it up with the /default/ xkeycaps map. Dead keys wont work, for instance. |
| 03:49.24 | spoof3r | ok so now i installed atk, and now tried to see if GTK+ would install now. and now it gets even farther but now says "configure: error: Pango not found. Pango built with Cairo support is required to build GTK+." and i just installed Pango and Ciaro |
| 03:49.34 | \amethyst | Vesperto: check the Layout options |
| 03:50.03 | Vesperto | \amethyst: already did, its pt, but no deadkeys. I think xmodmap calls up the map on a persession basis, would restarting the session help_ |
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| 03:51.00 | nocti | thanks CutMeOwnThroat |
| 03:52.12 | spoof3r | ok this is taking too much work. is there a very simple way to install anything thats GTK+02.10 or newer? i've been working on this for too long. |
| 03:52.20 | Vesperto | \amethyst: isnt tehre a dekeyconf or something? |
| 03:52.27 | Vesperto | debkeyconf |
| 03:52.40 | \amethyst | Vesperto: not that I know of |
| 03:52.54 | \amethyst | Vesperto: I'm afraid I've reached the limits of my knowledge here |
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| 03:54.13 | Vesperto | \amethyst: thx anyway |
| 03:54.59 | CutMeOwnThroat | spoof3r: what IS it you finally want to install |
| 03:55.38 | Vesperto | How do i map my keyboard to its language? It's acting en/us and i need pt |
| 03:55.40 | CutMeOwnThroat | Vesperto: reinstall the package that contains that configuration... but which one... :) |
| 03:56.15 | CutMeOwnThroat | I mean if you messed something up, going back to defaults would be sensible |
| 03:56.20 | spoof3r | all i want is to have this stupid gtk+ installed. |
| 03:56.26 | CutMeOwnThroat | what for? |
| 03:56.27 | spoof3r | anything 2.10 or newer |
| 03:56.38 | \amethyst | I imagine because the developers asked for it? |
| 03:56.45 | \amethyst | spoof3r: you have developers? |
| 03:56.48 | Vesperto | CutMeOwnThroat: it should be isntalled since i had it working a few minutes ago |
| 03:57.15 | wols_ | spoof3r: gtk is useless on its own. only useful if you have apps that use it. which apps will that be? |
| 03:57.48 | spoof3r | im not sure but my bud says whatever he has requires it and told me to figure it out. he said it would help me learn more while i was at it. |
| 03:58.07 | spoof3r | i can find otu and update you guys on what those apps are...im curious myself |
| 03:58.17 | spoof3r | but for now i just want it done. |
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| 03:58.55 | Vesperto | ...maybe it;s persession... |
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| 04:00.02 | wols_ | spoof3r: the way you go about it is all wrong however. compiling a virtal lib from source and using it prtty much destroys your package management and makes it useless |
| 04:00.21 | wols_ | you need to work inside the dpkg/deb package management in debian or it falls apart |
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| 04:01.10 | CutMeOwnThroat | wols_: but destroying your package management lets you "learn much" in the end... for one thing it learns you "don't do it".... and then it learns you how to clean up the mess and how painful that is :) |
| 04:01.24 | spoof3r | so how do i get it to work then |
| 04:01.33 | spoof3r | however i need to do it is fine but it needs to be done and im tryin to figure out how. |
| 04:02.39 | wols_ | CutMeOwnThroat: but ädebian is the wrong place to assist people in trashing their debian |
| 04:03.07 | wols_ | spoof3r: otherstold you long ago, a sid or lenny backport |
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| 04:03.33 | CutMeOwnThroat | wols_: maybe... that depends on your view... sometimes it turns out that way :) |
| 04:03.51 | CutMeOwnThroat | why not install the sid package? |
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| 04:04.35 | CutMeOwnThroat | might pull 100 other packages behind, but that's what dependencies are for |
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| 04:04.44 | wols_ | CutMeOwnThroat: no it's not |
| 04:04.54 | wols_ | mixing branches is another fast way to disaster |
| 04:04.56 | CutMeOwnThroat | what is not what |
| 04:05.03 | CutMeOwnThroat | nah |
| 04:05.05 | wols_ | a "nice way" |
| 04:05.09 | CutMeOwnThroat | perhaps slow way to disaster |
| 04:05.20 | CutMeOwnThroat | definitely not fast |
| 04:05.24 | wols_ | *plonk* CutMeOwnThroat |
| 04:05.32 | CutMeOwnThroat | :) |
| 04:06.27 | \amethyst | yeah, you're going to have a hard time getting the sid gtk packages to work in etch without recompiling, because of the libc6 transition |
| 04:06.41 | CutMeOwnThroat | just saying that I've not been struck by disaster very often... and I'm mixing distributions for ages |
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| 04:07.11 | CutMeOwnThroat | and "disaster" is perhaps exaggerating a bit, too |
| 04:07.13 | \amethyst | oh... |
| 04:07.37 | \amethyst | at least pango and glib will have to be backported too |
| 04:07.44 | vn | hi, why wouldn't I be allowed to chown a folder that is on a cifs mount as root? |
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| 04:08.02 | CutMeOwnThroat | imo it's still saver to mix, than to do updates to unstable very often |
| 04:08.26 | \amethyst | vn: is it a Linux CIFS server? |
| 04:08.31 | CutMeOwnThroat | vn: root is normally mapped to "nobody" (on nfs mounts) - probably the same here? |
| 04:08.36 | vn | \amethyst: yup |
| 04:08.39 | vn | with samba |
| 04:08.50 | abrotman | unix permissions aren't cifs permissions ? |
| 04:08.55 | vn | CutMeOwnThroat: uh.,.how do I know? |
| 04:09.10 | vn | and uhm...last time I did a backup on my NAS, it was with NFS |
| 04:09.16 | vn | maybe it's for something.. |
| 04:09.31 | GhostlyDeath | There any way to view the cache in Epiphany? |
| 04:09.57 | abrotman | you can look at your history |
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| 04:10.23 | GhostlyDeath | History crashes epiphany |
| 04:10.38 | abrotman | not for me? |
| 04:10.41 | GhostlyDeath | just freezes |
| 04:10.51 | abrotman | big history? |
| 04:10.55 | GhostlyDeath | huge |
| 04:11.03 | abrotman | might just take awhile to load |
| 04:11.39 | GhostlyDeath | there we go |
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| 04:12.46 | Azar | hello honorables! |
| 04:14.23 | \amethyst | honorables? where? <looks around> |
| 04:15.21 | Azar | yes, that includes you too, \amethyst |
| 04:17.08 | Azar | hmm my yahoo mail throws all Debian security announcements in the Bulk bin, and pushes all crap-ad mail into my inbox |
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| 04:19.53 | \amethyst | Azar: because Debian isn't paying their Danegeld to Yahoo? |
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| 04:21.07 | Azar | it looks like |
| 04:24.08 | Azar | awful quiet night here... it shows abrotman is not here |
| 04:25.16 | Azar | \amethyst: did you know that by june 2008 ipv6 becomes mandatory? |
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| 04:25.45 | \amethyst | Azar: "mandatory"? |
| 04:26.05 | Azar | yeah, all isps are mandated to switch their routers to ipv6 |
| 04:26.13 | Azar | but.... |
| 04:26.16 | \amethyst | Azar: err |
| 04:26.20 | \amethyst | Azar: mandated by whom? |
| 04:26.25 | Azar | by the govt |
| 04:26.28 | \amethyst | Azar: no |
| 04:26.31 | Azar | yea |
| 04:26.35 | \amethyst | Azar: That's for *government* networks |
| 04:26.59 | \amethyst | (I'm assuming you're talking about the US) |
| 04:27.02 | Azar | ...and that for the purpose to "give example" |
| 04:27.08 | Azar | US yea |
| 04:27.09 | stew | i didn't get my notification yet |
| 04:27.36 | Azar | but there is a workaround: mandatory to setup and switch the routers |
| 04:27.44 | Azar | not the actual usage of... |
| 04:27.53 | \amethyst | Can you provide a cite? |
| 04:27.57 | \amethyst | about this "mandatory" thing |
| 04:28.02 | Azar | yeah one sec |
| 04:28.44 | Azar | http://www.networkworld.com/news/2007/121707-how-feds-are-dropping-the-ball.html |
| 04:29.19 | \amethyst | Azar: where does that say anything about it becoming mandatory for all ISPs in the US? |
| 04:29.50 | Azar | that what leads to believe: say the govt have to take it first so to lead with example |
| 04:31.06 | \amethyst | right... |
| 04:31.07 | litage|w | is there a program that will restructure the whitespace in a given file? |
| 04:31.16 | \amethyst | litage|w: fmt maybe |
| 04:32.05 | \amethyst | litage|w: hm, actually, looks like fmt doen't do much with spaces |
| 04:32.07 | \amethyst | litage|w: par maybe |
| 04:32.47 | snogglethorpe | litage|w: "resructure"? |
| 04:32.48 | \amethyst | Azar: "But at this point, everyone agrees that it's unlikely the federal IPv6 mandate will do much to drive U.S. demand for IPv6 services." |
| 04:32.49 | Azar | the article say, on page 2: "The OMB wanted the government to be the engine for the rest of the U.S. to adopt IPv6" |
| 04:33.05 | litage|w | \amethyst: thanks, checking out par. fmt's output wasn't ideal |
| 04:33.22 | litage|w | snogglethorpe: "restructure" as in change the whitespace to a single standard |
| 04:33.24 | Azar | yeah, I wonder what will happen when the IP addresses will reach an end.. with ipv4 |
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| 04:34.08 | \amethyst | Azar: possibly would have happened already were it not for NAT |
| 04:34.19 | Azar | gonna be like area code for phone numbers: they will be changed/assigned no matter the customers want |
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| 04:39.43 | guru | hi all |
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| 04:42.07 | Azar | back in the days... I wanted an ipv6-like address :) |
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| 04:42.31 | CutMeOwnThroat | litage|w: sed -i 's/[ ]*/ /' (put a space and a Tab (ctrl-v tab) into the brackets if it should exchange tabs) |
| 04:42.33 | Azar | I was surfing with a webtv address and I was the laughter of all donkeys |
| 04:42.36 | CutMeOwnThroat | oh |
| 04:42.48 | CutMeOwnThroat | litage|w: sed -i 's/[ ]*/ /g' |
| 04:43.44 | downhillgames | has there been updates to the debian text installer to make it load modules and scan the disc (for packages) quicker? |
| 04:43.46 | CutMeOwnThroat | the -i writes it back into the same file... |
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| 04:43.53 | litage|w | CutMeOwnThroat: i'm looking for something that will insert newlines, change the whitespace/newlines around braces, etc, according to a given standard |
| 04:43.59 | downhillgames | seems lightning fast compared to before |
| 04:44.04 | \amethyst | litage|w: wait, is this for code? |
| 04:44.11 | downhillgames | (before being Sarge) |
| 04:45.01 | Azar | downhillgames: scan the disc, what disc? |
| 04:45.02 | gonzaloaf | what user runs apache? |
| 04:45.28 | downhillgames | hint: disc, not disk |
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| 04:45.30 | \amethyst | gonzaloaf: usually started by root then drops privileges to www-data |
| 04:45.32 | guru | hi all |
| 04:45.44 | gonzaloaf | \amethyst, where do I configure that? |
| 04:45.45 | guru | can anybody tell me how can i lock a folder with a password?or encrypt it with passwords,so that nobody can even delete the folder. |
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| 04:45.49 | downhillgames | Azar; the install media |
| 04:45.53 | litage|w | CutMeOwnThroat: eg: http://rafb.net/p/97XCbk24.html |
| 04:45.59 | litage|w | \amethyst: yeah |
| 04:46.05 | \amethyst | litage|w: GNU indent |
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| 04:46.36 | wols_ | guru: you can encrypt a partition. but a root user ccouls still delete the whole partiont |
| 04:46.40 | \amethyst | litage|w: "The `indent' program changes the appearance of a C program by inserting or deleting whitespace." |
| 04:46.40 | wols_ | not access its data tho |
| 04:47.00 | \amethyst | you can't really encrypt a single directory, though---not transparently, anyway |
| 04:47.00 | litage|w | \amethyst: ah great. however, this isn't C or C++ code. it's javascript</shudder> |
| 04:47.08 | Azar | wols_: isn't much simpler with permissions? |
| 04:47.12 | litage|w | but i'll give GNU indent a try anyways |
| 04:47.18 | \amethyst | litage|w: hm, that might be a bit harder :) |
| 04:47.24 | wols_ | Azar: root users don |
| 04:47.35 | wols_ | don't care about permissions and can look at the data too |
| 04:47.46 | guru | wols_:i mean to say from normal user-space nobody should delete my folder. |
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| 04:48.09 | litage|w | \amethyst: no worries mate. thanks for the suggestions |
| 04:48.15 | Azar | yeah assuming the only root access is guru's.. all other being users only |
| 04:48.18 | wols_ | guru: give it the proper permissions |
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| 04:48.44 | guru | wols_:and for a folder not for the whole artition |
| 04:49.14 | Azar | guru: on a private directory, you can put permissions so that nothing on that directory is accessed |
| 04:49.22 | guru | being a normal user can't i do this? i'm not bother about the root user |
| 04:49.39 | wols_ | of course you can. just told you what to do |
| 04:49.51 | Azar | guru: if you are not the root/admin... then the one who uses root can see and damage your stuff |
| 04:49.52 | guru | Azar:how? give an example/link plz |
| 04:50.06 | Tramp | !tell guru about permissions |
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| 04:51.01 | Azar | guru: http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/user/ch-files.html#s-files-permissions |
| 04:51.35 | guru | uff...i see that is only using chmod right? |
| 04:52.05 | Azar | guru: it is a practice manual, you get to practice with step by step examples |
| 04:52.11 | \amethyst | yes, chmod is what you use to set permissions |
| 04:52.24 | \amethyst | unless it's complicated enough to need access control lists |
| 04:52.32 | guru | but is there any idea like using encfs i can encrypt the total dir |
| 04:52.36 | robboplus | . |
| 04:52.42 | Azar | pay attention at the difference between directory and file permissions: they mean different things |
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| 04:53.13 | Azar | guru: permissions is way easier than encryptions |
| 04:53.26 | \amethyst | and you still need permissions even if you encrypt it |
| 04:53.28 | guru | but one problem in encfs is that anybody can delete the file |
| 04:53.46 | Azar | same with permissions |
| 04:53.47 | Azar | :) |
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| 04:53.50 | \amethyst | um |
| 04:54.05 | \amethyst | permissions on the containing directory can stop people from deleting files |
| 04:54.07 | Azar | ah misread sorry |
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| 04:54.20 | Nyle_ | hm |
| 04:54.31 | \amethyst | guru: So you have a directory full of files, and you want to keep people from deleting them? |
| 04:54.37 | guru | no..i want somewhat protection,so that whenever someone wants to open/delete it asks for passwd |
| 04:54.42 | Nyle | hi |
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| 04:54.50 | Nyle | Azazazar! |
| 04:54.56 | Azar | r-- for directory |
| 04:54.56 | \amethyst | guru: not possible |
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| 04:55.01 | Azar | mister Nyleeeee! |
| 04:55.11 | guru | yes,actually it is necessary when two guys are using same user name/passwd |
| 04:55.42 | \amethyst | then keep it on a different encrypted filesystem |
| 04:55.47 | Nyle | hey man whats up |
| 04:55.49 | \amethyst | and only mount that filesystem while you are there |
| 04:55.53 | \amethyst | and unmount it before you leave |
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| 04:56.02 | Azar | Nyle: not much, overworked as usual, overpaid as well |
| 04:56.05 | guru | in that case it will become handy;to protect my private/personal files |
| 04:56.10 | Nyle | Azar: heh cool |
| 04:56.16 | JuanxDcor | hello |
| 04:56.17 | \amethyst | guru: *why* do you have two people using the same account? |
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| 04:56.26 | JuanxDcor | i have problem with my lancard |
| 04:56.34 | Azar | Nyle: get a good job soon, everything goes belly up next year |
| 04:56.44 | JuanxDcor | rtl8139 |
| 04:56.45 | Nyle | what? |
| 04:56.49 | guru | it happens in some organizations ,working in the same project |
| 04:57.01 | Nyle | Azar: not sure what you mean |
| 04:57.07 | Azar | JuanxDcor: use the rtl8139too module |
| 04:57.12 | guru | yes,i want encrypted file system |
| 04:57.15 | \amethyst | Nyle: Azar is convinced that the US government is going to shut down IPv4 service next year |
| 04:57.16 | Azar | Nyle: life gets expensive |
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| 04:57.24 | Nyle | Azar: great |
| 04:57.24 | \amethyst | for everybody that is |
| 04:57.41 | Nyle | the dollar keeps going down I guess |
| 04:57.43 | Azar | \amethyst: noooo, I did not say that: I said that ipv6 might become mandatory |
| 04:57.51 | guru | \amethyst:i used encfs;is there anything else? |
| 04:57.57 | Nyle | Azar: so whats wrong with that? |
| 04:58.04 | Nyle | ipv6 is the future |
| 04:58.08 | JuanxDcor | Azar |
| 04:58.13 | Azar | JuanxDcor |
| 04:58.16 | JuanxDcor | i have this module |
| 04:58.26 | Azar | JuanxDcor: ah cool |
| 04:58.35 | eitan | I'm having with my DHCP client at bootup. It runs once and gets an ip address, and then it runs a second time and takes a minute to do several DHCPDISCOVER commands before giving up. It only started to do this recently. How do I fix this problem? |
| 04:58.44 | Nyle | Azar: but yes i would like a good job |
| 04:58.52 | Nyle | but what is 'good'? |
| 04:59.01 | Azar | Nyle: bartender, waiter.. |
| 04:59.07 | Azar | a money machine job |
| 04:59.08 | Nyle | more money = shitty job? no thanks |
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| 04:59.33 | Azar | gigolo? |
| 04:59.36 | Nyle | ye |
| 04:59.38 | Nyle | I could do that |
| 04:59.39 | guru | \amethyst:in encfs anybody can delete the encrypted folder ;and then you can't get back /mount your original data |
| 04:59.39 | Nyle | in fact |
| 04:59.44 | Nyle | I'm workin on something right now |
| 05:00.11 | \amethyst | guru: does the other person have the root password, too? |
| 05:00.22 | Nyle | few more credits to go and i'll have my degree |
| 05:00.23 | Azar | Nyle: you look right for that job (Fez from "that '70 show") |
| 05:00.26 | eitan | Is anyone willing to take my Debian question? |
| 05:00.31 | cyberfr0g | Hello |
| 05:00.31 | guru | \amethyst:no, |
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| 05:01.00 | guru | \amethyst:he can only access my user space |
| 05:01.01 | \amethyst | guru: then you can make the containing directory owned by root and not world-writable |
| 05:01.06 | Azar | eitan: your question looked to me more likely to be asked to your ISP that plays with your IP allocation |
| 05:01.08 | Nyle | Azar: that is true |
| 05:01.15 | Nyle | Azar: well not really |
| 05:01.21 | \amethyst | guru: then, if you want to delete something from that directory, you'll have to su to root first |
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| 05:01.32 | osmosis | help, when I run # /etc/cron.daily/logrotate it says |
| 05:01.33 | Nyle | Azar: you saw me when i was totally plastered and was overworked and really tired |
| 05:01.34 | osmosis | error: error accessing /var/log/ntop: No such file or directory |
| 05:01.37 | guru | \amethyst:i dn't have root permissions,i'm a normal user only |
| 05:01.38 | osmosis | error: ntop:1 glob failed for /var/log/ntop/*.log |
| 05:01.39 | Nyle | Azar: you saw a tired Nyle |
| 05:01.41 | cyberfr0g | out of interest |
| 05:01.58 | Azar | what, Fez is good looking I guess, and has success |
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| 05:02.01 | guru | i asking for something like truecrypt or other stubs available in windows |
| 05:02.04 | Nyle | fuck fez |
| 05:02.05 | osmosis | why does it want an ntop directory ? |
| 05:02.08 | Nyle | I like me |
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| 05:02.11 | Nyle | im fine with me |
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| 05:02.26 | osmosis | /etc/logrotate.d/ntop found it. |
| 05:02.31 | berat | i am using debian etch and my laptop is acer aspire 5720g my sound card is Intel Corporation 82801H there is no sound can anybody help me |
| 05:02.51 | Nyle | berat: installed alsa? |
| 05:02.59 | berat | yeah |
| 05:03.03 | \amethyst | guru: truecrypt is avialable for Linux (it's not in debian, so you'll have to install it yourself) |
| 05:03.05 | berat | alsa source 1.0.15 |
| 05:03.06 | eitan | Azar: No... it has nothing to with my isp. If you read my question, I'm saying the DHCP client software runs TWICE during bootup, and the second time is completely unnecessary, because I can type ctrl-c during the second run and it's fine. Though I didn't have to do this until recently. Something has gone wrong with my bootup sequence. |
| 05:03.10 | berat | i adjust the volume |
| 05:03.13 | Azar | so JuanxDcor why is your lancard not working? what is the error? |
| 05:03.33 | guru | \amethyst:shall i have to install it from source? |
| 05:03.48 | berat | b ut there is no sound |
| 05:03.50 | eitan | eitan: besides, it's the router giving the ip address, not the isp. |
| 05:03.54 | \amethyst | guru: I've not used it, so I don't know whether there are binaries available |
| 05:03.56 | berat | Nyle, |
| 05:04.16 | eitan | Can anyone else try to help with my question? |
| 05:04.19 | \amethyst | guru: there's also cryptsetup |
| 05:04.29 | guru | \amethyst:i tried but it gave some problem.i am using .21 kernel,it had some module problem |
| 05:04.31 | \amethyst | guru: however, both of these involve loading modules |
| 05:04.33 | Azar | eitan: I am not experienced helper but it might be an error by grub.. |
| 05:04.41 | \amethyst | guru: if you're not root then you can't load modules |
| 05:04.50 | Nyle | berat: hmm, install alsa-tools and/or alsa-utils and run alsaconf as root |
| 05:05.31 | eitan | Can anyone help me with my bootup question, please? |
| 05:05.31 | \amethyst | Remind me never to go to University of Sussex |
| 05:05.37 | guru | \amethyst:cryptsetup--did you use it before? |
| 05:05.48 | \amethyst | guru: no, I've not used any of this stuff |
| 05:05.52 | Azar | eitan: you might want to check the /etc/network/interfaces to see if there is anything wrong in the file and |
| 05:05.54 | osmosis | im trying to figure out why logrotate isnt working on my /var/log/apache2/ log files. |
| 05:06.02 | berat | ok |
| 05:06.06 | berat | i install this |
| 05:06.16 | berat | actually have allready installed |
| 05:06.21 | guru | \amathyst:ok i am tring out this one...is it available in repo? |
| 05:06.26 | berat | but i upgrrade this from etch to unstable |
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| 05:07.14 | eitan | azar: how do I know if anything is wrong with that file? |
| 05:08.02 | eitan | Azar: This is what the interfaces file says ... allow-hotplug eth1; iface eth1 inet dhcp; auto eth1; iface eth0 inet dhcp |
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| 05:08.22 | Azar | eitan: maybe this will give you a hint: http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-gateway.en.html#s-net-dhcp |
| 05:10.15 | eitan | Azar: I can't decipher that huge reference. Can you tell what's wrong by looking at my interfaces file a few lines back? |
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| 05:10.52 | blairsooley | Hi. |
| 05:10.56 | Azar | 10.7 Dealing with inconsistent naming of interfaces by the kernel |
| 05:11.10 | blairsooley | I'm wondering if anyone has the SOCKS NEC file(s)? |
| 05:11.15 | blairsooley | There site isn't up anymore. :( |
| 05:11.21 | eitan | azar: basically, how do I stop the dhcp client from being run twice during bootup? What file specifies what programs are run at bootup? |
| 05:11.57 | eitan | My DHCP client is being run twice at bootup. How do I stop this? Does anyone know? |
| 05:12.13 | Azar | eitan: Etch has introduced a tool named hotplug that I have no idea how it works, because I use a deprecated Debian version :) |
| 05:12.22 | Azar | so is new for me and I really don't know how it works |
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| 05:12.58 | grimlock | someone please remind me how to view my partition size from bash |
| 05:13.02 | Azar | hotplug in the Etch kernel is a tool that automatically sees your hardware |
| 05:13.04 | grimlock | im feeling really dumb |
| 05:13.16 | eitan | azar: does hotplug govern the bootup sequence? |
| 05:13.26 | Tramp | grimlock: fdisk -l |
| 05:13.31 | thedonvaughn | grimlock: fdisk -l, if it's mounted and you want to see usage df -h |
| 05:13.39 | grimlock | will that show me used space as well? |
| 05:13.48 | Azar | eitan: if you READ the chapter 10.7 from that link you will know, I can't paste the entire chapter here: not allowed |
| 05:14.01 | grimlock | thats what i couldnt remember |
| 05:14.03 | grimlock | df |
| 05:14.05 | grimlock | gah |
| 05:14.09 | grimlock | ok thanks |
| 05:14.26 | grimlock | may the beer gods bring you something cold with lots of head |
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| 05:16.17 | eitan | azar: I read it, and I did not find the answer to my question. |
| 05:16.24 | Azar | uh it gets worse: hotplug is deprecated, UDEV is replacing it in Etch |
| 05:16.38 | Azar | eitan: sorry, I don't know how to help you |
| 05:17.44 | Azar | I used to do my setup by hand in /etc/network/interfaces and I do not know about any of these new automatic device readers in Etch |
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| 05:17.58 | blairsooley | I'm wondering if anyone has the SOCKS NEC file(s)? |
| 05:17.59 | blairsooley | There site isn't up anymore. :( |
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| 05:28.01 | berat | Nyle, |
| 05:28.05 | berat | still no sound |
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| 05:32.30 | berat | why debian solve this |
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| 06:09.34 | jtg23 | heh |
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| 06:14.52 | stiv2k | anyone here have a Mac Book Pro? |
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| 06:17.29 | y | Alive? |
| 06:17.36 | y | =) |
| 06:17.45 | y | What's the standard non-gui-cpanel way of maintaining websites in debian? |
| 06:19.50 | \amethyst | y: a2ensite and a2dissite |
| 06:20.32 | Thasp | http://lartc.org/howto/lartc.cookbook.fullnat.intro.html |
| 06:20.41 | Thasp | is anyone here familiar with this? |
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| 06:21.34 | backupp | is it possible to make an iso of my current debian os into cd, and boot it on another system with same settings and dupe it over? |
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| 06:22.03 | \amethyst | backupp: mondo maybe |
| 06:22.06 | wols_ | !mondo |
| 06:22.06 | dpkg | mondo is probably a full-featured backup/restore system with support for backup media CDRW, tape, NFS mount, etc - a complete system can be restored from bare metal. |
| 06:22.19 | backupp | \amethyst: what's mondo? |
| 06:22.24 | \amethyst | ^^^ |
| 06:22.24 | wols_ | a program |
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| 06:22.33 | backupp | oh |
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| 06:22.55 | \amethyst | also |
| 06:22.57 | \amethyst | !z25 |
| 06:22.57 | dpkg | somebody said z25 was as of version 0.090, udev has the ability to statically rename ethernet cards based on MAC address. The addresses are configured in /etc/udev/rules.d/z25_persistent-net.rules . If you want the mappings to change, edit that file. If you don't want udev to touch your interface names, remove that file and z45_persistent-net-generator.rules in the same directory. |
| 06:23.11 | \amethyst | that's usually something you have to fix when migrating from one computer to another |
| 06:24.23 | y | a2ensite. neat. |
| 06:24.38 | y | its telling me that my site isn't found ??? |
| 06:24.46 | gonzaloaf | hi, I have created many mp3 profiles to encode audio cds with sound-juicer but I cant see them in the list of profiles, why not? |
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| 06:26.21 | \amethyst | y: you need to create a file in /etc/apache2/sites-available/ with a <VirtualHost> directive and all that (DocumentRoot, any <Directory> or <Location> entries, etc) for that site |
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| 06:26.51 | gamag | i have installed mysql on debian. now how do I start the daemon |
| 06:27.04 | gamag | /etc/init.d/mysql start ==> * /etc/init.d/mysql: ERROR: Using expire_logs_days without log_bin crashes the server. See README.Debian.gz |
| 06:27.13 | y | excellent reply \amethyst than kyou. |
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| 06:29.07 | wols_ | gamag: have you done what the helpful error messge said? |
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| 06:30.10 | gamag | wols_: I am doing a find / -name README.Debian.gz now. any quicker help from you would help really. |
| 06:31.02 | Vasistha | gamag: look in /usr/share/doc |
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| 06:31.33 | Vasistha | gamag: alternately, you can dpkg -c /var/cache/apt/archives/mysql <press the tab key to see which packages you've got> |
| 06:31.52 | wols_ | gamag: /usr/share/doc. some mysql directory |
| 06:32.00 | gamag | yes got the document |
| 06:32.05 | Vasistha | gamag: also, you shold use 'locate' ;) |
| 06:32.26 | gamag | i have all the packages |
| 06:32.27 | wols_ | gamag: there are probably lots of README.Debian.gz on the system |
| 06:32.35 | gamag | password properly set in /etc/mysql/debian.cnf |
| 06:32.46 | gamag | user = debian-sys-maint password = smVyiim143knEB9J |
| 06:35.38 | gamag | mysql daemon not starting still |
| 06:36.05 | Vasistha | gamag: heh, ironically, it looks like the error message was wrong: the README.Debian file is not .gz'd XD |
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| 06:36.24 | gamag | in my system it is |
| 06:36.32 | gamag | Vasistha: what location did you find a non .gz'd file? |
| 06:36.49 | Vasistha | gamag: the same place that wols_ and I told you to look ;) |
| 06:37.26 | Vasistha | unfortunately, it does not make any mention of expire_logs_days and log_bin :| |
| 06:37.29 | gamag | this is mine: /usr/share/doc/mysql-server-5.0/README.Debian.gz |
| 06:37.59 | Vasistha | oh, there you go. I guess I haven't installed the server yet ... silly me. New computer, not everything's set up yet :) |
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| 06:39.32 | netgear | 99% [8 Packages gzip 0] [Connecting to debian.mirror.ac.za (155.232.137.112)] [ |
| 06:39.32 | netgear | gzip: stdin: not in gzip format |
| 06:39.32 | netgear | Err http://debian.mirror.ac.za stable/main Packages |
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| 06:39.39 | Daeshim | Hello homecable |
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| 06:39.58 | gamag | here is my mysql configuration: http://pastebin.com/m357b40f3 |
| 06:41.20 | Vasistha | gamag: well, I see that you have 'expire_logs_days' set, and all of the binlog things are commented out. Does the error message hint at you that that might be a problem? |
| 06:41.31 | gamag | uncommented log_bin= /var/log/mysql/mysql-bin.log and it worked :) |
| 06:41.44 | gamag | Vasistha: yes, it occurred to me just after pastebinning. thanks |
| 06:41.50 | Vasistha | heh, good job |
| 06:43.09 | netgear | http://pastebin.com/d48c1de40 - can anyone have a look at that |
| 06:43.19 | netgear | its errors with my apt-get update |
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| 06:44.42 | y | Any idea why a fresh debian install of apache2 is missing httpd.conf? |
| 06:45.21 | netgear | locate httpd.conf |
| 06:45.28 | netgear | shit wrong window |
| 06:45.44 | netgear | mine has it on |
| 06:46.00 | netgear | /etc/apache2/httpd.conf |
| 06:46.10 | y | it isn't there. |
| 06:46.11 | netgear | debian etch 4.0 r1 |
| 06:46.18 | y | mine is at /etc/apache/httpd.conf |
| 06:46.25 | y | but i installed both apache and apache2. am i a dumbass? |
| 06:46.38 | y | an apt-get remove apache didn't work. |
| 06:46.48 | netgear | give me a sec |
| 06:46.59 | valdyn | y: you cant install both |
| 06:47.08 | y | oh but I did. =) |
| 06:47.12 | y | I noticed some oddness. |
| 06:47.35 | y | anynway, i removed apache..... but reinstalling apache2 doesn't create an httpd.conf. |
| 06:47.45 | y | that is so weird. any clue why or what to do? |
| 06:47.46 | valdyn | like a conflict where one of both didnt install |
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| 06:47.51 | netgear | i installed apache with the installer so dont know what command to use with apt-get remove |
| 06:47.53 | y | valdyn--NEIN |
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| 06:48.05 | netgear | i suggest using synaptic and search apache |
| 06:48.07 | y | apt-get remove apache |
| 06:48.19 | netgear | he said it didnt work |
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| 06:48.33 | y | well... the /etc/apache/ directory still exists. |
| 06:48.38 | y | shouldn't that be gone with an apt-get remove apache? |
| 06:48.48 | valdyn | y: nope |
| 06:48.59 | y | ??? |
| 06:49.21 | y | should I copy the httpd.conf from apache to apache2? |
| 06:49.48 | Vasistha | y: if you've made any changes, it probably won't be removed -- or if you've created any files that are not part of the original package. remove --purge will remove more than a regular remove, but not necessarily everything, I don't think. And ... you should look into using aptitude, it is much better |
| 06:50.11 | valdyn | y: debian does not remove config files with apt-get remove |
| 06:50.11 | y | Interesting. Thank you, Vasistha. |
| 06:50.16 | y | drats. |
| 06:50.28 | valdyn | y: that would be apt-get remove --pruge or aptitude purge |
| 06:50.28 | y | Well, back to my original problem... why isn't apache2 creating an httpd.conf. |
| 06:50.45 | valdyn | !find httpd.conf |
| 06:50.52 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'httpd.conf' (7 of 28): (/etc/piwi/httpd.conf) in admin/piwi ;; (/etc/thttpd/thttpd.conf) in web/thttpd ;; (/etc/mini-httpd.conf) in web/mini-httpd ;; (/etc/phpmyadmin/lighttpd.conf) in web/phpmyadmin ;; (/etc/textpattern/lighttpd.conf) in web/textpattern ;; (/etc/sql-ledger/sql-ledger-httpd.conf) in web/sql-ledger ;; (/usr/share/doc/cgiwrap/examples/httpd.conf) in web/cgiwrap. |
| 06:51.04 | y | I already said its in /etc/apache/httpd.conf |
| 06:51.09 | valdyn | !find etc/apache2/httpd.conf |
| 06:51.17 | dpkg | Debian Package/File/Desc Search of 'etc/apache2/httpd.conf' returned no results. |
| 06:51.21 | Daeshim | apache2.conf |
| 06:51.31 | Daeshim | Is equivalent to httpd.conf |
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| 06:51.42 | y | so why is apache2 -k start failing because of a missing httpd.conf? |
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| 06:51.54 | Daeshim | Did you install with apt? |
| 06:52.02 | y | yes. |
| 06:52.04 | valdyn | !find etc/apache2/httpd.conf etch |
| 06:52.13 | dpkg | Debian Package/File/Desc Search of 'etc/apache2/httpd.conf' returned no results. |
| 06:52.24 | Daeshim | "/etc/init.d/apache2 start" |
| 06:53.09 | y | "Not starting apache2 - edit /etc/default/apache2 and change NO_START to be 0" |
| 06:53.25 | Daeshim | go to "/etc/apache2/apache2.conf" |
| 06:53.32 | Daeshim | For the httpd config |
| 06:54.23 | y | I am rather confused why a package would install in such a way that it can't be run. |
| 06:54.41 | Daeshim | Do you still have the old apache running...? |
| 06:54.53 | y | I removed it. |
| 06:54.58 | Daeshim | Is it in memory |
| 06:55.00 | Daeshim | Running though |
| 06:55.15 | valdyn | y: your remove that just the "apache" package? |
| 06:55.29 | y | apt-get remove apache --purge |
| 06:55.59 | valdyn | !info apache |
| 06:56.14 | valdyn | y: that is probably only a metapackage, i dont know this for "apache" |
| 06:56.19 | y | valdyn what's that thing you're doing? |
| 06:56.31 | valdyn | y: querying the bot |
| 06:56.38 | valdyn | !info apache etch |
| 06:56.40 | dpkg | apache: (versatile, high-performance HTTP server), section web, is optional. Version: 1.3.34-4.1 (etch), Packaged size: 382 kB, Installed size: 812 kB |
| 06:56.51 | y | cool! all works fine now! |
| 06:56.55 | y | apache2 start works. |
| 06:56.59 | y | Daeshim good call--it was in memory. |
| 06:57.04 | y | purge is my god. |
| 06:57.08 | Vasistha | y: dpkg -c /var/cache/apt/archives/apache2.2-common_2.2.3-4+etch1_i386.deb shows -rw-r--r-- root/root 24175 2007-06-17 13:12 ./etc/apache2/apache2.conf |
| 06:58.41 | y | all is well, i suspect. |
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| 07:05.31 | riaal | Can I restrict an ssh user to only its homefolder? |
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| 07:06.14 | Vasistha | riaal: I believe it's possible, but I don't know how it's done |
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| 07:09.15 | Daeshim | riaal: chroots |
| 07:09.31 | y | anyone use something besides qmail? |
| 07:10.35 | riaal | Daeshim: yeh, thats what Im looking for, but I only know how to use it in an ftp server like vsftpd, Us it possible to use it in the system ssh? |
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| 07:11.25 | Daeshim | Yes it is |
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| 07:11.37 | lkthomas | guys |
| 07:11.43 | lkthomas | hmm |
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| 07:12.02 | riaal | Daeshim: you have an url or something to google for? |
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| 07:13.06 | Daeshim | http://www.securityfocus.com/infocus/1404 |
| 07:13.32 | quitte | hi. could someone give me his output of s2ram -i? that's part of the uswsusp package and i'd like to figure out how to whitelist my mainboard. |
| 07:14.02 | happla | When is people going to learn that chroot is not a security messure =) |
| 07:14.08 | quitte | in my case all values except bios version are "To Be Filled By O.E.M" |
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| 07:15.42 | riaal | Daeshim: cheers |
| 07:16.16 | Daeshim | No problem man :) |
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| 07:21.47 | y | would anyone call this document deprecated? |
| 07:21.49 | y | http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/412 |
| 07:22.01 | manu_hack | hi, is it okay to split a .iso file using split? |
| 07:22.33 | quitte | manu_hack: yes |
| 07:22.44 | manu_hack | thx quitte |
| 07:23.29 | litage|w | y: it's probably mostly correct. however, don't take its contents as gospel. its instructions aren't necessarily the "best" way of doing things |
| 07:23.55 | \amethyst | y: it looks reasonable |
| 07:24.15 | y | cool. thanks. |
| 07:24.49 | y | howto find my vimrc? |
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| 07:24.58 | Element14 | does anybody know whether knockd is secure? |
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| 07:25.50 | Element14 | as in, are there any significant security concerns of using it (coz documentation i've found on google about the thing is rather light) |
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| 07:28.36 | backupp | oh mondo is good |
| 07:29.10 | sep | Element14, the tool itself is probably ok (it's in debian afterall) but you have to make your own judgement of how secure you would consider a secret handshake/seckret knock pattern to be. |
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| 07:30.56 | Element14 | hmm yea. the docs don't tell me what sequences are secure :-/ |
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| 07:34.32 | y | What do I need to know about nameservers while setting up multiple domains on the same host? |
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| 07:35.53 | gamag | # mysqladmin -u root -p version ==> Enter password: (\n) mysqladmin: connect to server at 'localhost' failed (\n) error: 'Access denied for user 'root'@'localhost' (using password: YES)' |
| 07:35.59 | gamag | and if I don't give -p option, I get: error: 'Access denied for user 'root'@'localhost' (using password: NO)' |
| 07:36.05 | gamag | I am unable to log in to my Mysql database. It is installed on my system so I can use mysqladmin command. could someone please help me setting the root password again and trying to log in again into mysql? |
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| 07:37.39 | DrMitch | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:37.39 | DrMitch | /usr/bin/mysqladmin: connect to server at 'localhost' failed |
| 07:37.39 | DrMitch | error: 'Access denied for user 'debian-sys-maint'@'localhost' (using password: YES)' |
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| 07:37.55 | DrMitch | any clue what's up? |
| 07:38.10 | DrMitch | i changed the password to what was in /etc/mysql/debian.cnf |
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| 07:39.00 | irix | Hey, I run "wget -nc -r somewhere" with the at command and now it is still working in the background. How can I bring such processes to the front? |
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| 07:39.59 | y | you using screen? |
| 07:40.49 | rvalles | irix: how did you bring it to the background in the first place? |
| 07:41.06 | irix | rvalles: with the "at" command. |
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| 07:41.47 | rvalles | well, at writes output to some file somewhere |
| 07:41.49 | rvalles | not a terminal |
| 07:41.56 | rvalles | you cannot bring it to front |
| 07:42.28 | irix | So I should kill the process! ;) |
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| 07:43.10 | brubelsab1 | using debmirror results in: "Failed to download files (51 errors)!" using the rsync protocol and various mirrors, and several reruns? |
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| 07:53.55 | felipec | which is the first debian version that has glibc-2.4? |
| 07:54.01 | lumpy^ | hey. i want to backup all my system and do a mirror copy of the whole ubuntu , so in case of crash i will able to make a restore to the good point. i did ghost 4 linux but its screwed my system ... i wonder if i can just do a "tar" of / and then apply it on system crash and it will do the work? |
| 07:54.56 | jeremiahzg | is it possible to use gtk 2.10 in etch? |
| 07:55.34 | kgoetz | !tell lumpy^ about ubuntu |
| 07:55.46 | kgoetz | !tell lumpy^ about based on debian |
| 07:56.06 | kgoetz | afk. home time |
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| 07:57.19 | riaal | lumpy^: yes, you can use tar |
| 07:57.38 | lumpy^ | nice |
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| 07:58.01 | riaal | lumpy^: just tar / and "untar" / |
| 07:58.13 | riaal | I have never tested it myself, but its supose to work |
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| 07:58.31 | PumpkinPie | Hello |
| 07:58.36 | lumpy^ | i can split it |
| 07:58.37 | lumpy^ | no? |
| 07:58.52 | PumpkinPie | split what |
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| 07:59.28 | lumpy^ | tar is suppoting 2gb files |
| 07:59.29 | lumpy^ | no? |
| 07:59.34 | lumpy^ | i can do tar of 5 gb |
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| 08:00.01 | PumpkinPie | I dont think its any specific limitation of tar itself |
| 08:00.26 | y | What is the command to untar and ungzip at the same time? |
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| 08:00.35 | PumpkinPie | I would be more worried about the file system or kernel |
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| 08:00.41 | Internat3 | tar -zxvf filename.tar |
| 08:00.52 | Internat3 | z is gzip x is extract v is verbose and f is the file to untar |
| 08:01.03 | sonnie | anyone successfully boot a HP9000/800/L2000? |
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| 08:01.41 | y | thanks Internat3 |
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| 08:02.24 | sonnie | i use an sid boot cd, everytime it hangs here: scsi4:Found MegaRAID controller at 0x4c000, IRQ:71 |
| 08:02.32 | felipec | etch is the latest debian release and doesn't have glibc 2.4? |
| 08:02.40 | PumpkinPie | lumpy^: do you use ext2? this could explain your 2gb file size issue |
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| 08:03.00 | PumpkinPie | lumpy^: not specific to tar |
| 08:03.15 | lumpy^ | i use ext3 |
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| 08:03.33 | lumpy^ | is partimage is a good prog? |
| 08:04.27 | sep | sonnie, didn't think there was official sid boot images |
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| 08:08.03 | sonnie | sep, i just re-checked, it's not sid actually. just the offical 40r0 hppa image. |
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| 08:13.00 | NiLoni | or actually my problem is that I have packet (php) installed via apt but now I need to configure it with --with-readline so how I can do that |
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| 08:18.42 | felipec | !info libc6 |
| 08:18.46 | dpkg | libc6: (GNU C Library: Shared libraries), section libs, is required. Version: 2.7-4 (sid), Packaged size: 4375 kB, Installed size: 10596 kB |
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| 08:19.06 | y | Any idea why apache would not default to index.php despite it being listed first as DirectoryIndex? |
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| 08:22.09 | \amethyst | y: where did you set it? |
| 08:22.17 | y | apache.conf |
| 08:22.53 | \amethyst | y: probably being overridden by mods-available/dir.conf |
| 08:23.20 | \amethyst | (which you are allowed to edit) |
| 08:23.28 | y | what's odd is index.php exists in there, too |
| 08:23.32 | \amethyst | is it first? |
| 08:23.34 | y | its not being overridden..its giving me a directory listing. |
| 08:23.42 | y | and at the top of the dir listing is 'index.php' |
| 08:23.42 | \amethyst | hmm... |
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| 08:23.56 | felipec | !info libc6 etch |
| 08:23.59 | dpkg | libc6: (GNU C Library: Shared libraries), section libs, is required. Version: 2.3.6.ds1-13etch2 (etch), Packaged size: 4588 kB, Installed size: 10804 kB |
| 08:24.11 | \amethyst | oh, is there a link mods-enabled/dir.load ? |
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| 08:25.08 | y | yep. |
| 08:25.18 | \amethyst | hm, so mod_dir is enabled |
| 08:25.21 | \amethyst | strange |
| 08:25.41 | y | one thing that's odd is a list of running processes shows 6 instances of apache2 -k start |
| 08:25.47 | \amethyst | that's normal |
| 08:25.51 | y | ok. |
| 08:26.03 | Coke | Hello! I'm sharing a few files with a Winblows machine using Samba. It used to be the other way around, but the Windows box just kept diving and it would lock the file if another user was reading it. Now after switching, the crashing isn't a problem, but the Windows machine still can't read files that another user is reading. |
| 08:26.59 | y | found a ubuntu thread on the matter but it ended nonsensically |
| 08:27.05 | Coke | What is up with this? Is Windows inspired by Highlander? "There can only be one?" Why can't two users read the same file? |
| 08:27.31 | click170 | Coke: You may try the #samba channels, it sounds like your having Samba problems? |
| 08:27.33 | hackman127 | Coke, Are the files Microsoft Office files? If so, there is your answer. |
| 08:27.37 | \amethyst | Coke: "fake oplocks" might be what you're looking for |
| 08:27.46 | Coke | hackman127: openoffice. |
| 08:27.59 | Coke | "fake oplockse", ey. |
| 08:28.03 | \amethyst | Coke: but you need to understand the implications (cache inconsistency) |
| 08:28.04 | Coke | But why would anybody do this? |
| 08:28.19 | \amethyst | Coke: Because Windows programs assume that it is the case |
| 08:28.43 | \amethyst | and I imagine disabling or faking the locking will break things |
| 08:28.57 | \amethyst | some things, anyway.... more or less subtly |
| 08:29.01 | y | hmm. reboot did nothing. |
| 08:29.23 | hackman127 | Coke, I *believe* Microsoft writes meta-data to the file when you read it to lock other people from reading it, so that you don't get files out of sync or have someone else overwrite changes you are making. I would imagine OpenOffice would do sometimg similar. |
| 08:29.29 | Coke | Hmmm. So you're saying this is not a problem with Windows, but with OpenOffice? |
| 08:29.35 | \amethyst | y: you might try #apache |
| 08:29.49 | y | thx |
| 08:30.12 | simonrvn | windows <-- crazy |
| 08:30.31 | toicontento | Coke, some applications just lock files, that's normal, be it windows or unix |
| 08:30.34 | hackman127 | Coke, Easy thing to check. Create a text file and open it in notepad. Go to annother computer and open it there. I'll bet you won't have a problem. |
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| 08:31.11 | Coke | )) phone |
| 08:31.24 | toicontento | Coke, with smbstatus you can see files openned, lock status, etc. |
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| 08:31.41 | hackman127 | Wow! Is it really this late? I have to get up for work in a couple hours! Later! |
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| 08:35.06 | Coke | toicontento: yes, if there's a really really good reason to lock it. |
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| 08:35.40 | Coke | hackman127: yes, I tried opening two documents in OpenOffice, on Debian, that worked. |
| 08:35.49 | Coke | So there's no generic lock in OpenOffice, maybe only the Windows version. |
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| 08:36.17 | \amethyst | In Windows, opening a file without explicitly specifying it as shared locks it |
| 08:36.44 | Coke | hackman127: hehe. Your test worked fine. Notepad can read the file I'm also editing. |
| 08:37.04 | Coke | \amethyst: that means Notepad has to open it as "shared". |
| 08:37.44 | \amethyst | Hm, that seems odd, but I guess it makes sense if you want to use it to view a log file that is currently in use |
| 08:37.58 | \amethyst | what about, say, wordpad? |
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| 08:38.25 | \amethyst | another possibility is that openoffice keeps the file open while notepad doesn't |
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| 08:39.17 | Skaag | I am serving DHCP to a bunch of machines, is there a way I can publish to them all a different DNS server that I have modified in my dhcp configuration? |
| 08:39.30 | Skaag | I mean force them to update |
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| 08:39.57 | \amethyst | Coke: it also might be a matter of what APIs they use |
| 08:39.59 | simonrvn | hmm |
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| 08:40.20 | Coke | Bleeeh |
| 08:40.59 | sep | Skaag, not realy. if you want to do changes that should happen in a short timesan, you would lower your lease time prior to and during the transition. |
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| 08:41.36 | Coke | \amethyst: I'll just ask in OpenOffice. |
| 08:42.08 | arnuld | I want to install Debian "sid" (that's what Debian "testing" is called) |
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| 08:42.25 | simonrvn | no it's not called sid |
| 08:42.46 | arnuld | simonrvn: I read that here: http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/Today |
| 08:42.59 | arnuld | simonrvn: scroll to the end |
| 08:43.07 | simonrvn | testing != sid; if that said so, whomever said that should be spanked |
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| 08:43.16 | flart | sid is unstable |
| 08:43.22 | Coke | Always has been. |
| 08:43.32 | flart | and will always be |
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| 08:43.58 | flart | thats also what is written at the and of the page you posted |
| 08:44.20 | arnuld | I know and it is also written it is called "sid" |
| 08:44.28 | arnuld | BTW, thats no my point |
| 08:44.31 | arnuld | does "unstable" has newser version of packages than Stable |
| 08:44.33 | arnuld | ? |
| 08:44.39 | flart | of course |
| 08:44.45 | simonrvn | "You cannot install unstable (sid) using the daily netinst CD image, only testing (lenny). ..." |
| 08:44.49 | flart | but they are unstable ;) |
| 08:44.58 | simonrvn | you can't read or your reading comprehension needs work |
| 08:45.14 | toicontento | testing = lenny, unstable = sid |
| 08:45.33 | arnuld | :\ |
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| 08:45.48 | arnuld | which is recommended for installation ( for I want to have newer packages ) |
| 08:45.50 | arnuld | ? |
| 08:46.00 | arnuld | like wxGTK 8.5 |
| 08:46.01 | toicontento | http://www.debian.org/releases/ |
| 08:46.01 | Coke | arnuld: what do you want to do? |
| 08:46.22 | arnuld | I want to switch to Deian :) |
| 08:46.23 | Coke | arnuld: if you want really new stuff yous hould probably *gulp* go with Ubuntu. :P |
| 08:46.32 | Coke | arnuld: if you want stable stuff, stick with Debian. |
| 08:46.37 | arnuld | Ubuntu ... ? |
| 08:46.39 | arnuld | geee... |
| 08:46.42 | arnuld | dirty distro |
| 08:46.51 | arnuld | everythign is GUI and GUI and just GUI |
| 08:46.55 | Coke | Yeah, that's what you get when you "must" have all the newest stuff. |
| 08:46.56 | flart | bleeding edge is always dirty |
| 08:47.06 | simonrvn | then try testing. install stable then upgrade to lenny |
| 08:47.07 | happla | arnuld: go with testing? |
| 08:47.12 | happla | arnuld: I mean unstable |
| 08:47.28 | happla | arnuld: just install unstable and be done with it |
| 08:47.37 | happla | arnuld: ubuntu is basically unstable anyway =) |
| 08:47.41 | Coke | arnuld: I'm on testing, it works for me. I know enough about Debian to mend any problems, but it's stable enough for me to do my daily work on. |
| 08:47.46 | toicontento | with testing be ready to a regular broken system |
| 08:47.48 | simonrvn | happla: you get to support him when it breaks, too ;) |
| 08:47.49 | Coke | happla: hehe. no no. |
| 08:47.55 | \amethyst | arnuld: debian does not have wxgtk 2.8 yet (I assume that's what you're asking about) |
| 08:47.57 | arnuld | happla: :D |
| 08:48.01 | happla | simonrvn: it won't break that often |
| 08:48.04 | Coke | arnuld: I cannot recommend Debian unstable unless you are good with the package system and can fix problems should they arise. |
| 08:48.12 | \amethyst | arnuld: not even sid |
| 08:48.17 | happla | simonrvn: I ran unstable for my main wks for two years - was some occational package broken |
| 08:48.17 | Coke | arnuld: if you get any package problems in unstable and come here to ask you WILL be flamed. :) |
| 08:48.38 | arnuld | tell me, if wxGTK 2.8.7 work with Debian Stable ? |
| 08:48.38 | arnuld | anyoen tried ? |
| 08:48.52 | Coke | happla: "occational" is enough for me to switch to testing. |
| 08:48.55 | simonrvn | i've been running sid for 4,almost 5 years. and? |
| 08:49.07 | Coke | Testing almost have everything I need up to date, for those few things it doesn't there's always sources. |
| 08:49.08 | \amethyst | arnuld: there's a good chance you can get the ubuntu source package and build it on debian, maybe with some changed |
| 08:49.19 | happla | arnuld: if you _need_ some bleeding edge package 1. check bakcports 2. check if its in testing 3. check if its in unstable |
| 08:49.23 | happla | Coke: =) |
| 08:49.24 | toicontento | araga, 2.6 here |
| 08:49.46 | \amethyst | s/changed/changes/ |
| 08:49.50 | happla | Coke: I am sure you can survive without a particular package for a couple of days until they are usualy fixed |
| 08:49.55 | toicontento | grrr, araga/arnuld |
| 08:50.03 | happla | Coke: but thats personal ofc. |
| 08:50.12 | Coke | happla: no. |
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| 08:50.20 | Coke | If I want something installed now it's probably because I need it now. |
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| 08:50.26 | Coke | That is why I made the switch to testing. |
| 08:50.37 | arnuld | Coke: I meant anyone compiled latest wxGTK (= 2.8.7 ) from source |
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| 08:51.34 | Coke | arnuld: well, testing is a bit old, but I never was much of a feature freak. |
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| 08:51.57 | Coke | What is it Ubuntu users say about Debian, "outdated or broken"? := |
| 08:51.58 | Coke | :) |
| 08:52.00 | simonrvn | testing is fresh enough, without so many bugs ;) |
| 08:52.14 | Coke | simonrvn: yes, it has served me well. |
| 08:52.27 | \amethyst | however, sometimes certain things are missing from testing for long periods of time |
| 08:52.34 | arnuld | Coke: I ahve used gNewSense which is based off UBUNTU Dapper |
| 08:52.36 | Coke | \amethyst: yep. |
| 08:52.41 | Coke | That sucks. |
| 08:52.43 | arnuld | and it is disgusting |
| 08:52.48 | Coke | But you can't get everything from ONE distribution. |
| 08:52.49 | \amethyst | like, say, nvidia drivers |
| 08:52.53 | \amethyst | :) |
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| 08:53.03 | arnuld | Dapper says I have 4 ethernet cards when I have only 1 :\ |
| 08:53.08 | toicontento | but it's not a good idea to recomend testing for a newcomer to debian |
| 08:53.14 | Coke | nvidia drivers is binary only distribution, can't be part of Debian. |
| 08:53.20 | \amethyst | yeah |
| 08:53.22 | simonrvn | s,testing,unstable, |
| 08:53.23 | Coke | toicontento: it's even worse recommending stable. |
| 08:53.43 | Coke | With stable they will have the GNU distribution of yesteryear. |
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| 08:54.00 | Coke | And a year in free software is like a decade on any other software market. :) |
| 08:54.06 | \amethyst | I was about to say, it's not really a Debian problem per se that nvidia-* is missing from the lenny *non-free* :) |
| 08:54.07 | toicontento | well, then use a debian based distro, like mepis |
| 08:54.46 | toicontento | its' based on stable, not like ubuntu derived |
| 08:54.48 | Coke | Debian might be outdated or broken, but at least there are gradients from stable to experimental that you can choose from. :) |
| 08:55.12 | simonrvn | debian is less borked than many distros... |
| 08:55.22 | Coke | simonrvn: yes, stable and testing are. |
| 08:55.47 | arnuld | debian is least broekn |
| 08:55.52 | Coke | The major drawback with testing is that once something is removed for fixing it stays gone a long while. |
| 08:55.53 | arnuld | most borken is Fedora |
| 08:55.59 | simonrvn | i spend time on other channels, where people run other stuff, and they bitch a lot more than i do ;) |
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| 08:56.05 | Coke | arnuld: we're not even counting RPM-based distros here. |
| 08:56.17 | arnuld | Coke: :D |
| 08:56.32 | Coke | simonrvn: hey, it's why people use Debian stable and testing: they want their shit to just work. |
| 08:56.39 | arnuld | I am downloading Debian-testing-amd64-cd1 |
| 08:56.42 | simonrvn | yup ;) |
| 08:56.52 | arnuld | that's wnought for me for minimal installation |
| 08:57.06 | Coke | Unfortunately, ancient Egypt called and said they want newer software in stable. |
| 08:57.17 | simonrvn | that's why i moved back to stable on my server. a lot less to patch and bitch and file bugs and diff conf files on ;) |
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| 08:57.55 | arnuld | there is not netinst CD for testing :\ |
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| 08:58.00 | simonrvn | had been running sid for 3 years on it... |
| 08:58.08 | Coke | arnuld: I think there is, maybe just more tricky to find? |
| 08:58.16 | arnuld | Coke: :-o |
| 08:58.31 | arnuld | I see netinst only for Daily-Builds |
| 08:59.04 | arnuld | and for Stable |
| 08:59.16 | Coke | They found dinosaurs in a drained out lake and found that both triceratops used the current Debian stable. |
| 08:59.33 | flart | heh |
| 08:59.34 | Coke | Raptors are the new breed, they recommend testing. |
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| 09:00.04 | Coke | No, wait! Here comes the best one yet. :) |
| 09:00.08 | arnuld | Coke: can you provide a link, I can't find netinst for unstable :\ |
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| 09:00.18 | arnuld | all i see is this link: http://www.us.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ |
| 09:00.33 | gamag | any python library package in Debian that lets me access MySQL database from within a python script? |
| 09:00.39 | sep | Coke, you can make fun all you want, but the release cycle for stable suites many enterprises fine. it's a shock to discover that they actualy USE their systems instead of tinkering with them, and that constant upgrading things = downtime. |
| 09:00.50 | Coke | Geologists can tell the age of mountain ranges by noting what version of Debian they find inside the rocks. The oldest rock found yet is 4.5 billion years old and they know this by looking at the revision date on Debian stable. |
| 09:01.04 | \amethyst | arnuld: yes, follow the first "i386" link on the page |
| 09:01.10 | \amethyst | arnuld: or amd64 or whatever |
| 09:01.24 | Coke | sep: yeah, well, testing works fine enough for my workstations. |
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| 09:01.41 | arnuld | \amethyst: those are daily-builds |
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| 09:02.02 | diclophis | hello all |
| 09:02.08 | diclophis | is it possible to have vim write to stdout? |
| 09:02.11 | arnuld | \amethyst: daily-builds != testing --> http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/Today |
| 09:02.11 | \amethyst | arnuld: that is a daily build of testing |
| 09:02.16 | \amethyst | oh |
| 09:02.29 | arnuld | Coke: hey ? |
| 09:02.34 | tdn | How do I set the mime types for different file types with thttpd? |
| 09:02.47 | Coke | arnuld: hmm? |
| 09:02.56 | \amethyst | arnuld: huh? where does that say it's not testing? |
| 09:03.05 | arnuld | Coke: link for testing-netinst |
| 09:03.08 | \amethyst | it does say it's likely to be broken right now |
| 09:03.43 | arnuld | \amethyst: yes, the daily-build could be broken |
| 09:03.44 | \amethyst | wait, never mind, I was reading that wrong |
| 09:03.46 | y | hell yeah. #apache took care of me. |
| 09:03.50 | y | gnight |
| 09:03.52 | y | see ya tomor. =) |
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| 09:05.12 | \amethyst | arnuld: http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/daily-builds/lenny_d-i/ |
| 09:06.03 | gamag | http://packages.debian.org/lenny/python/python-mysqldb - this package is there in lenny |
| 09:06.03 | \amethyst | arnuld: "current" is the current daily build |
| 09:06.03 | gamag | but I am unable to install it using aptitude install python-mysqldb |
| 09:06.03 | \amethyst | arnuld: if you want an older on, they're all there :) |
| 09:07.08 | \amethyst | s/on/one/ |
| 09:08.36 | gamag | any help? |
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| 09:09.00 | \amethyst | gamag: "unable to install" isn't really specific enough for anyone to help |
| 09:09.24 | gamag | \amethyst: could not find package |
| 09:09.25 | Sebboh | Does dpkg have a quick-n-dirty factoid that will tell me how to grow a filesystem? It lives in lvm, and it's ext3. |
| 09:09.31 | gamag | \amethyst: in the aptitude list also it doesn't occur |
| 09:09.38 | \amethyst | gamag: could you put your sources.list in a pastebin? |
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| 09:09.46 | gamag | \amethyst: sure |
| 09:09.47 | \amethyst | gamag: also, the output of the failing run |
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| 09:11.10 | toicontento | gamag, i have it in 'stable' |
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| 09:12.22 | Sebboh | Yikes. Nice to see that IRC is still the Wild Wild West. |
| 09:13.05 | Coke | Sebboh: last bastion of freedom. |
| 09:13.07 | gamag | \amethyst: I think it was an update problem. may be the last update wasn't complete. I did an update again and now I can find the package in aptitude list, apt-cache show as well as aptitude show |
| 09:13.24 | \amethyst | gamag: that was probably it then |
| 09:13.25 | Sebboh | I thought that that was guns and condoms. |
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| 09:29.54 | sep | should udev be able to load ipmi modules or must that be specified manually ? |
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| 09:37.02 | daya | I have use apt-ftparchive, to creat a local repo in my internal network, But I am not able to make Release file |
| 09:37.42 | daya | is there is any idea, to make Release file for local repo, so I can even do debootstrap from my repo, |
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| 09:44.38 | SQLDb | is it possible to tell what packages you've installed in the last 24 hours? |
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| 09:46.57 | petemc | SQLDb: /var/log/dpkg.log , if you're using etch |
| 09:47.05 | SQLDb | petemc: thanks! |
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| 09:49.59 | gener1c | i cant make my microphone work iim using an Intel Corporation 82801G (ICH7 Family) audio pci device |
| 09:50.27 | gener1c | searched google and found some line you add to the modprobe |
| 09:50.31 | gener1c | that didnt work eather |
| 09:50.39 | gener1c | anybody has an idea? |
| 09:51.30 | gener1c | the line was options snd-hda-intel model=3stack |
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| 09:56.35 | \amethyst | !doesn't work |
| 09:56.36 | dpkg | Look buddy, "doesn't work" is a vague statement. Does it sit on the couch all day long? Does it procrastinate doing the dishes? Does it beg on the street for change? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. Give us more details so we can help you without needing to ask basic questions like "what's the error message". |
| 09:57.11 | gener1c | my audio device give signals tho i dont get any input i think its a driver issue |
| 09:57.22 | gener1c | i can hear music |
| 09:57.28 | gener1c | and this mic does work |
| 09:57.32 | \amethyst | gener1c: have you checked the mixer settings? |
| 09:57.43 | gener1c | humz... |
| 09:57.50 | gener1c | nope , let me do that |
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| 09:59.48 | gener1c | i got it to work but the sound is faint |
| 10:00.40 | \amethyst | gener1c: hmm, there might be multiple mixer settings involved |
| 10:00.50 | gener1c | no clue how to fix that |
| 10:01.08 | gener1c | gimme a search term? ill google a howto or something... |
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| 10:01.27 | gener1c | oh stupid me |
| 10:01.40 | gener1c | "multiple mixer setting" |
| 10:01.52 | \amethyst | gener1c: maybe linux mixer capture microphone |
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| 10:02.26 | gener1c | k |
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| 10:05.04 | gener1c | oh cool in alsamixer the capture was on minimum vol |
| 10:05.07 | gener1c | thanks mate |
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| 10:06.18 | \amethyst | gener1c: cool, glad you could get it working |
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| 10:06.45 | gener1c | :D |
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| 10:07.15 | fengor | is there a page where i cann see if a potential webcam is compatible with debian? |
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| 10:08.16 | \amethyst | !hcl |
| 10:08.17 | dpkg | hmm... hcl is at http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/Hardware-HOWTO/, or see http://www.linuxcompatible.org/compatlist3.html to see what's supported by the linux kernel, or http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/, or http://www.linuxquestions.org/hcl/, or <pciid ... [xxxx:yyyy] ala lspci -nn> |
| 10:08.43 | \amethyst | hm... |
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| 10:09.10 | petemc | or just google for the webcam model and linux |
| 10:09.57 | gener1c | is there a way to boost my capture even more? \amethyst> |
| 10:10.11 | \amethyst | gener1c: there might be something called "input gain" |
| 10:10.23 | \amethyst | gener1c: other than that, no idea |
| 10:10.31 | gener1c | doesnt that require better hw? |
| 10:11.03 | gener1c | lol |
| 10:11.08 | gener1c | ok ill shutup now |
| 10:11.37 | \amethyst | I've never really used a microphone with my computer |
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| 10:11.46 | basanta | system crashes when i install ruby-gnome2 in my etch box |
| 10:12.04 | gener1c | im starting a podcast O.O |
| 10:12.32 | gener1c | wish me luck |
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| 10:12.45 | \amethyst | gener1c: I found this googling: http://rootprompt.org/article.php3?article=8913 |
| 10:12.57 | \amethyst | gener1c: don't know if it's any good; I haven't read it |
| 10:12.59 | gener1c | man ur fast |
| 10:13.24 | \amethyst | hmm.. |
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| 10:13.28 | fengor | thanks \amethyst |
| 10:13.32 | \amethyst | actually, doesn't seem that good |
| 10:13.39 | \amethyst | but it has some links that might be useful |
| 10:13.44 | gener1c | yeah |
| 10:13.55 | gener1c | looks better than most of the ones i found tho |
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| 10:14.17 | \amethyst | I searched for linux podcasting |
| 10:14.22 | gener1c | i love it when a page looks like a firefox bookmark backup |
| 10:15.39 | erika | Hi! Can i block nmap' s uptime detection? Actually how does it determine my uptime from remote? |
| 10:15.50 | gener1c | oh lol it linked me to what i have found |
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| 10:19.03 | \amethyst | erika: http://insecure.org/nmap/osdetect/osdetect-usage.html describes it |
| 10:19.48 | \amethyst | erika: it looks at the TCP timestamps over a (short) period of time and extrapolates to figure out when time zero was---that's usually when the machine booted |
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| 10:20.48 | \amethyst | erika: see http://lists.netfilter.org/pipermail/netfilter/2002-January/030258.html for how to disable it |
| 10:20.59 | \amethyst | erika: (tcp timestamps, that is) |
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| 10:22.43 | erika | \amethyst: thanks, i check it. |
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| 10:24.07 | awk | hello, I require sun-java5-jre on amd64 any advice in getting this package? |
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| 10:26.01 | \amethyst | aleksanteri: it should be available... everything but the mozilla plugin |
| 10:26.53 | \amethyst | err |
| 10:26.56 | \amethyst | awk: ^^^ |
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| 10:28.50 | RichiH | a cow-orker just did chown -R luser .* and it re-owned . and .., as well |
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| 10:29.02 | aisstar | Hello Everybody |
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| 10:29.12 | RichiH | now i am wondering what the correct way to do what he actually meant would be |
| 10:29.44 | row | lol |
| 10:29.46 | awk | ahh, i'm missing the unstable/non free repo.. I believe.. |
| 10:29.49 | awk | just double checking |
| 10:29.56 | row | RichiH: he meant to chown all files starting with a .? |
| 10:30.15 | \amethyst | awk: ah, that's probably it |
| 10:30.19 | NiLoni | .* = dir |
| 10:30.20 | awk | RichiH lol! |
| 10:30.27 | \amethyst | RichiH: how correct do you want it? |
| 10:30.29 | awk | but it also = .. :) |
| 10:30.33 | awk | seeing its .* :) |
| 10:30.34 | NiLoni | .. = dir |
| 10:30.36 | \amethyst | RichiH: .[!.]* |
| 10:30.50 | \amethyst | RichiH: more correctly, .[!.]* ..?* |
| 10:30.57 | NiLoni | dir foo would match to .* :p |
| 10:32.03 | RichiH | \amethyst: that would still include ., though |
| 10:32.07 | Jadi_0 | I'm new to debian. just installed one but "sudo apt-get install imagemagick" returns "E: Package imagemagick has no installation candidate" what should I do ? |
| 10:32.10 | \amethyst | RichiH: no it wouldn't |
| 10:32.20 | RichiH | row: in pwd and below, yes |
| 10:32.25 | \amethyst | RichiH: .[!.]* doesn't match .. because [!.] doesn't match . |
| 10:32.28 | senorpedro | i have a little problem with the xorg.conf http://tinyurl.com/yw97ry does anybody know what is wrong? |
| 10:32.43 | \amethyst | RichiH: ..?* doesn't match .. because .. is only 2 characters long, ..?* needs at least three |
| 10:32.51 | RichiH | \amethyst: ah yes, i was starting from including .* |
| 10:32.55 | RichiH | \amethyst: brain fart |
| 10:33.34 | grub | senorpedro is spamming |
| 10:33.39 | senorpedro | no im not |
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| 10:35.09 | Ronin | you sure are |
| 10:35.18 | senorpedro | no, this aint spamming |
| 10:35.22 | senorpedro | this is just a funny game |
| 10:35.27 | Ronin | !op senorpedro is spamming by hiding it in a tinurl |
| 10:35.28 | dpkg | okay, Ronin |
| 10:35.32 | Ronin | !ops senorpedro is spamming by hiding it in a tinurl |
| 10:35.32 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: ronin complains about: senorpedro is spamming by hiding it in a tinurl |
| 10:35.47 | senorpedro | im searching for players in this game |
| 10:36.02 | senorpedro | tinyurl only because its smaller than the original url |
| 10:36.10 | Ronin | so you admit to spamming then |
| 10:36.17 | \amethyst | senorpedro: You might find some players in a game of kick the spammer |
| 10:36.47 | RichiH | senorpedro: please do not do that |
| 10:37.00 | senorpedro | hm alright, i admit i did wrong |
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| 10:37.15 | senorpedro | i wont do such childish things again |
| 10:37.27 | RichiH | senorpedro: also, please note that we have contact to many of those game providers and some are rather fast at closing accounts |
| 10:37.40 | Jadi_0 | any hiints on this? I do "sudo apt-get install imagemagick" and it says "E: Package imagemagick has no installation candidate". what's the problem? |
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| 10:38.42 | RichiH | Jadi_0: there is no package of that name |
| 10:38.50 | \amethyst | ? |
| 10:38.51 | lunitik | Jadi_0: I find it in Sid, so it's there... you have contrib and non-free enabled? |
| 10:38.57 | \amethyst | pdo lists it |
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| 10:39.28 | Jadi_0 | lunaphyte_: no. it's a fresh installation. how should I do it? (I'm a newbie in debian) |
| 10:39.47 | \amethyst | Jadi_0: 1. try apt-get update and see if it still fails. 2. If it does, pastebin your /etc/apt/sources.list and give us the link |
| 10:40.26 | lunitik | RichiH: Note it's magick not magic, btw ;) |
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| 10:41.43 | Jadi_0 | lunitik: \amethyst, I still have the problem after the update. and there is no sources.list file here. "ls /etc/apt" returns "apt.conf.d secring.gpg sources.list.d trustdb.gpg trusted.gpg" |
| 10:41.43 | lunitik | Jadi_0: You managed to set up sudo but are a Debian newbie? I'd bet you're actually running Ubuntu. |
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| 10:42.16 | lunitik | Jadi_0: That's not a Debian machine. |
| 10:42.17 | aleksanteri | lunitik: perhaps he got help on installing sudo |
| 10:42.26 | Jadi_0 | lunitik: I've used ubuntu for a couple on years and now testing to switch to Debian. |
| 10:42.44 | tdn | Is there any software for Debian to control surveilance cameras? Something that can do motion detection and stuff like that? I have not been able to find anything with apt-cache search, but I'm not really sure what to search for. What are such systems called? |
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| 10:43.17 | Ronin | Jadi_0: /etc/apt/sources.list doesnt exist? |
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| 10:43.54 | lunitik | tdn: Try zoneminder perhaps |
| 10:44.16 | \amethyst | Jadi_0: what's in sources.list.d? how many files? |
| 10:44.25 | Jadi_0 | Ronin: no. |
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| 10:45.14 | lunitik | \amethyst: Default Debian install wouldn't place anything in there. |
| 10:45.46 | Ronin | there would be a sources.list though |
| 10:46.04 | lunitik | \amethyst: Also, I've never seen Debian not create a sources.list file... even if it just contains CD info... |
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| 10:47.17 | ronr | I'm using spamassasin with amavis as a spamfilter (debian stable), a lot of spam with subjects like 'Your dik will win all women's admiration i 2008!' is passing through with pretty low spam scores (around 3), what can I do to get rid of these (I already passed a couple to sa-learn)? |
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| 10:49.03 | Coke | ronr: those are tough to catch, they use spelling errors, etc, to avoid detection. |
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| 10:49.21 | Coke | ronr: check all headers, look for unique features of those spam |
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| 10:49.38 | selberistdermann | Ho |
| 10:49.55 | selberistdermann | mag mir jemand erklärne wieso die fehler da sind |
| 10:49.56 | selberistdermann | http://rafb.net/p/JAY9xd88.html |
| 10:49.59 | selberistdermann | *erklären |
| 10:49.59 | Jadi_ | \amethyst: pardon me. I've disconnected! there is no file at /etc/apt/sources.list.d/ |
| 10:50.13 | toicontento | ronr, as an aditional layer, do you use some kind of greylisting?, i use just this and stops nearly 90% of spam |
| 10:50.26 | \amethyst | Jadi_: that's why you can't apt-get anything then |
| 10:50.35 | \amethyst | Jadi_: you lost your sources.list somehow |
| 10:51.11 | ronr | Coke: Received: from 211.150.100.32 (HELO mx01.263xmail.com) they all seem to have that one |
| 10:52.03 | ronr | Coke: no, that's nt right |
| 10:52.35 | Coke | ronr: blocking on IP and hostnames is tedious work and not very effective. |
| 10:52.45 | ronr | Coke: but it looks like the messageID is always <somethingunique@<first name in the from header>) |
| 10:52.57 | Coke | ronr: those are the things you need to look for. |
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| 10:53.05 | Coke | ronr: no way any "normal" mail is sent like that. |
| 10:53.36 | ronr | Coke: ok, now how do I tell spamassassin to look for that? |
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| 10:54.26 | Coke | ronr: I don't know just like that and I have to be off on lunch, but I'm sure it's pretty easy to add searches and then you can set your score for hits on it. |
| 10:54.41 | ronr | Coke: ok, thx, I'll rtfm |
| 10:54.42 | tdn | lunitik, Thanks for the tip. But I don't seem to have zoneminder in my repositories. |
| 10:55.01 | \amethyst | tdn: it's in unstable |
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| 10:56.27 | \amethyst | !simple sid backport |
| 10:56.28 | dpkg | First: See if the package has already been backported. Ask me about <backports>. If it hasn't, 1) Add a deb-src line for sid to your sources.list. 2) apt-get update 3) apt-get build-dep packagename;apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resultant debs. |
| 10:56.45 | \amethyst | tdn: you should be able to do ^^^^^ that to build the package for lenny or etch |
| 10:57.05 | \amethyst | as far as I can tell all the build-dependencies are present in etch |
| 10:57.16 | tdn | \amethyst, ok. |
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| 11:01.12 | a-atwood_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:01.12 | dpkg | it has been said that backport is a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and ABI complications. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-package.en.html#s-port or http://backports.org/ or http://www.apt-get.org/ or ask me about <simple sid backport> and <backport caveat>, or <backports.org> |
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| 11:02.03 | a-atwood_ | !backports.org |
| 11:02.03 | dpkg | backports.org is probably an unofficial repository of backports for the current stable distribution, prepared by Debian developers. Read http://backports.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=instructions ask me about <backports>. A sample line for your sources.list is: deb http://www.backports.org/debian etch-backports main contrib non-free. Once you've added that line, aptitude update && aptitude install debian-backports-keyring && aptitude update |
| 11:05.31 | jbt | http://sial.org/pbot/29295 |
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| 11:05.58 | jbt | anyone has clue? |
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| 11:07.34 | Jadi2_ | \amethyst: thank you :) I've edite my sources.list to http://phpfi.com/284166 and updated and everything works fine. |
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| 11:23.19 | chakinou | hello! is there any debian java maintainers here? eclipse plugin maintainers? |
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| 11:28.07 | chakinou | hello! is there any debian java maintainers here? eclipse plugin maintainers? |
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| 11:28.39 | \amethyst | chakinou: do you actually need the maintainers? |
| 11:28.53 | \amethyst | chakinou: or just someone knowledgable about them? |
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| 11:31.02 | chakinou | you're right, just someone knowledgable about it, i'm trying to do my own, and i had a look on eclipse-cdt plugin, it seems there's no rules files, so i presume it's packaged with dpkg-deb |
| 11:32.01 | \amethyst | you're doing your own eclipse plugin? or packaging an existing one? |
| 11:32.17 | chakinou | packaging an existing one |
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| 11:33.49 | \amethyst | chakinou: no rules files? |
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| 11:35.47 | chakinou | \amethyst : yes it's quite weird, but it work fine besause there is no need to compile anything because it's a plugin eclipse |
| 11:36.21 | \amethyst | chakinou: there's a debian/rules in the source package... |
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| 11:37.57 | chakinou | \amethyst : in eclipse-cdt? uh? i'll check it again |
| 11:38.13 | \amethyst | that's not ERE |
| 11:38.14 | \amethyst | doh |
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| 11:40.13 | chakinou | \amethyst : ERE ? sorry but i don't uderstand, i'm not used to irc |
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| 11:40.48 | RichiH | shackwaves! |
| 11:40.56 | man_in_shack | how hard would it be to install etch in a chroot? :) |
| 11:41.11 | RichiH | trivially easy, last time i did it |
| 11:41.17 | man_in_shack | fun |
| 11:41.21 | RichiH | and that was a few years back |
| 11:41.30 | man_in_shack | do you have instructions? :) |
| 11:43.14 | `6og | man_in_shack, from a debian system, easy. from RH/other harder |
| 11:43.25 | man_in_shack | i'm on sid |
| 11:43.42 | RichiH | man_in_shack: google :) |
| 11:43.45 | `6og | man_in_shack, `debootstrap`, and your set already |
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| 11:44.14 | RichiH | `6og: debootstrap is not 'the' chroot solution, afaik |
| 11:44.18 | RichiH | but it works, yah |
| 11:44.30 | man_in_shack | what does it do? |
| 11:44.36 | RichiH | man_in_shack: just check if base-config is run correctly when you debootstrap |
| 11:44.46 | `6og | RichiH, its a chroot, theres classier ways of course, but thats the easy one |
| 11:45.00 | RichiH | there has been a bug for _ages_ in debootstrap |
| 11:45.01 | man_in_shack | RichiH, ok, how do i check that? |
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| 11:45.15 | RichiH | which means that base stuff like /etc/hostname was not set up |
| 11:45.42 | RichiH | man_in_shack: if you have /etc/hostname after you finish installing, you are likely good to go |
| 11:46.10 | `6og | mmm. i have taht issue. i'm just used to doing it by hand *grin* |
| 11:46.15 | man_in_shack | ok |
| 11:46.37 | man_in_shack | so what package do i need for debootstrap? it's not installed :) |
| 11:46.39 | RichiH | `6og: if that is _still_ the case, file a bug |
| 11:46.54 | RichiH | apt-cache search debootstrap |
| 11:46.56 | RichiH | *gasp* |
| 11:47.01 | `6og | RichiH, i'm pretty sure it is, but i'll have to check it out later |
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| 11:47.24 | RichiH | man_in_shack: can you reliably report back if /etc/hostname exists after debootstrap? |
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| 11:47.37 | man_in_shack | cdebootstrap or debootstrap :| |
| 11:47.38 | RichiH | man_in_shack: if you do, please hilight `6og and i |
| 11:47.46 | petemc | RichiH: it didnt used to |
| 11:47.48 | man_in_shack | RichiH, will see :) |
| 11:47.59 | petemc | im sure you knew that, tho |
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| 11:48.30 | RichiH | man_in_shack: on a debian system, cdebootstrap suffices |
| 11:48.30 | man_in_shack | v1.0.7 |
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| 11:48.39 | RichiH | man_in_shack: both are fine, though |
| 11:48.44 | man_in_shack | what's the difference? |
| 11:48.53 | RichiH | petemc: ? |
| 11:49.02 | RichiH | man_in_shack: apt-cache show |
| 11:49.16 | petemc | RichiH: create /etc/hostname |
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| 11:49.56 | man_in_shack | ah, so debootstrap doesn't go through existing apt? |
| 11:50.34 | zanthus | Can I ask some newbie questions? Why does the debian installer insist on download packages during the install? Is it possible to just install a basic system off the CD and then download all the packages I want after the install? |
| 11:51.27 | man_in_shack | zanthus, that's what the netinstall disc does |
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| 11:52.50 | zanthus | ah, cool; I was using the CD1 of the CD set - thanks |
| 11:53.58 | zinx | erh, that's not what zanthus was saying :x |
| 11:54.08 | zinx | zanthus: did you select anything other than the base system? |
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| 11:55.10 | zanthus | no just selected the last item in the list - "Standard System" I think it was |
| 11:56.03 | RichiH | zanthus: if you tell it not to use a web mirror, it will not download anything |
| 11:56.05 | man_in_shack | here i am wondering what's taking so long, it'd downloading the damn Packages list :P |
| 11:56.28 | RichiH | zanthus: so set up your system without a web resource, tell it you have other Ds you want to use and let it read those |
| 11:56.59 | zinx | zanthus: it's possible it found more up-to-date packages in the internet |
| 11:57.08 | zinx | RichiH: CD1 has enough for a base install, no? |
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| 12:03.42 | Knight_Lord | Is there any way of checking the speed that my PCI bus is running at? |
| 12:04.14 | man_in_shack | isn't pci limited to 33MHz? |
| 12:04.23 | netgear | how much problems will moving from stable to testing have on my machine? |
| 12:04.33 | netgear | im currently using etch stable |
| 12:04.36 | `6og | man_in_shack, 32 iirc |
| 12:04.45 | `6og | oh, mhz. 33 sounds rightish |
| 12:04.54 | wfw | Knight_Lord hwinfo maybe |
| 12:05.02 | man_in_shack | 32bit :) |
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| 12:06.37 | sep | pci can come in a whole mix of 32bit or 64bit and 33/66/133 mhz depending on the mainboard. and capabilities of the card |
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| 12:07.31 | sep | and also 5v and/or 3.3v to add more confusion :) |
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| 12:11.30 | Knight_Lord | wfw quite spectacular program, it gave me the width of the bus, but not the speed though |
| 12:11.47 | IgorSobreira | hi all..im with a Debian server, where can i find good repositories for it? |
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| 12:12.52 | toicontento | IgorSobreira, what is 'Debian server' ? |
| 12:13.10 | wfw | sep: and pcie, cardbus, expresscard, and on and on. |
| 12:13.34 | IgorSobreira | toicontento, a server, with debian installed ¬¬_ |
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| 12:15.00 | toicontento | debian install should have the repositories included, unless you need something not supported under your version, be it stable, unstable or testing |
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| 12:16.15 | phogg | I'm thinking of making a local mirror of everything to serve my network. How can I find the total size of all Debian packages? |
| 12:16.39 | IgorSobreira | toicontento, actually im trying to install apache..it finds ok..but i get 404 when trying to install...in security.debian.org |
| 12:17.10 | toicontento | IgorSobreira, so, what version of debian ? |
| 12:17.14 | IgorSobreira | 4.0 |
| 12:17.30 | toicontento | i assume etch ( stable) ? |
| 12:17.35 | IgorSobreira | yep |
| 12:17.52 | toicontento | have you made an apt-get update ? |
| 12:17.59 | IgorSobreira | X) |
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| 12:18.44 | nikok | we'll take that as a "no" |
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| 12:19.00 | IgorSobreira | kkkk...thats right |
| 12:20.18 | nikok | as a root, command "apt-get update" |
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| 12:20.33 | aleksanteri | "a root"? |
| 12:20.41 | aleksanteri | i didn't know there were multiple of them |
| 12:20.52 | nikok | hmm |
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| 12:21.05 | wfw | that's what grounding is for ;) |
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| 12:21.30 | nikok | sry for my english |
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| 12:23.26 | wfw | We will send you our bill. ;) |
| 12:26.13 | man_in_shack | RichiH, `6og, i'm going to head off, but i'll check on whether my chroot has /etc/hostname when i get back |
| 12:26.24 | man_in_shack | going to sleep, so i'll be a while :P |
| 12:26.31 | `6og | man_in_shack, later mate :) catch you then |
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| 12:28.46 | Knight_Lord | Can anyone help me explain why I only get 70MB/s over my infiniband connection? |
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| 12:29.25 | aspWork | hi guys, i need to install apcupsd version 3.14+ on a debian etch system, where the rep only has 3.12, what is the prefered way to do this? |
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| 12:31.05 | ark34 | anyone here use ibm lpar's? |
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| 12:34.46 | rhalff | hi I want to install vmware player, but it needs the compiled kernel source, how do I get this ? |
| 12:35.12 | rhalff | I need to recompile the stock kernel just to compile that driver ? |
| 12:35.15 | lunitik | rhalff: It is provided by debian... apt-cache search vmware |
| 12:36.16 | rhalff | lunitik, which repository do I need besides main contrib non-free ? |
| 12:37.53 | lunitik | rhalff: You can download things from VMWare's site, and use vmware-package to create deb's... |
| 12:38.01 | cmihai | rhalff, just a suggetion, but you could use the freely available VirtualBox (or KVM / qemu/KQEMU, Xen, etc). But VirtualBox is easy to use, and you can convert VMware machines. |
| 12:38.17 | rhalff | cmihai, I found virtualbox a bit slow compared to vmware |
| 12:38.52 | IgorSobreira | how can i update the locate db? |
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| 12:39.05 | lunitik | IgorSobreira: As root > updatedb |
| 12:39.11 | cmihai | I didn't, but if you say so. Anyway, VMware Server and Player are also free for use, so I guess it's fine. They need a kernel module though, so you basically need buildtools and vmware-setup.pl to compile and load it. |
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| 12:40.03 | rhalff | cmihai, yes, but it complains I don't have a kernel source tree that was compiled. |
| 12:40.04 | rhalff | The path "/usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.18-5/include" is a kernel header file |
| 12:40.04 | rhalff | directory, but it does not contain the file "linux/version.h" as expected. |
| 12:40.05 | rhalff | This can happen if the kernel has never been built, or if you have invoked the |
| 12:40.05 | rhalff | "make mrproper" command in your kernel directory. In any case, you may want to |
| 12:40.05 | rhalff | rebuild your kernel. |
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| 12:40.43 | cmihai | rhalff, you also need linux kernel sources. |
| 12:41.01 | cmihai | Add deb-src to your apt, and fetch them. Point VMware to that directory. |
| 12:41.03 | rhalff | cmihai, and then have to compile it first ? |
| 12:41.07 | cmihai | No. |
| 12:41.10 | RichiH | zinx: it does |
| 12:41.17 | cmihai | It just needs headers and sources. |
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| 12:42.29 | asg | rhalff: the best way to get all the right bits is to install the module-assistant package and run 'm-a prepare' |
| 12:42.53 | rhalff | asg, ah thanks :) |
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| 12:54.09 | lindenle | Anyone ever install winXP in qemu? Should it take a long time |
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| 12:55.30 | cmihai | lindenle, I have, yes. |
| 12:55.34 | rhalff | lindenle, https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WindowsXPUnderQemuHowTo |
| 12:55.38 | cmihai | lindenle, it does take a while unless you're using KQEMU. |
| 12:55.58 | lindenle | cmihai: Ihave the kernel module |
| 12:56.00 | cmihai | lindenle, though it's usually a better idea to use VirtualBox, since it also has tools and stuff, and is much faster. |
| 12:56.07 | cmihai | (VirtualBox is GPL btw) |
| 12:56.13 | lindenle | is it really faster? |
| 12:56.18 | cmihai | Yes, really :-). |
| 12:56.25 | lindenle | I did not know that |
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| 12:56.40 | cmihai | You can also use the free VMware Server or VMware Player. They have open source (GPL) tools to, but them themselves are propriotary. |
| 12:56.53 | cmihai | And again, you are installing Windows so I doubt that's an issue for you :P |
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| 12:57.16 | lindenle | cmihai: Just testing my license key so i can sell my old laptop |
| 12:57.24 | lindenle | cmihai: I never use windows |
| 12:57.32 | cmihai | I don't really care :-) |
| 12:57.46 | lindenle | I do |
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| 12:58.40 | `6og | testing the licence? if its on the sticker, its sellable |
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| 12:59.22 | lindenle | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:59.29 | lindenle | but not the original media disk |
| 12:59.38 | lindenle | so I am checking a DELL disk I have |
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| 13:00.11 | snewp | you don't need the license key in the Dell disk |
| 13:00.18 | snewp | as long as it's from dell |
| 13:00.26 | lindenle | snewp: not a dell machine |
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| 13:02.20 | rhalff | something like parallels for linux would be great |
| 13:02.23 | snewp | you will be installing it on another machine ? |
| 13:02.36 | cmihai | rhalff, what do you mean? |
| 13:02.53 | rhalff | it has coherence, works great |
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| 13:03.21 | cmihai | rhalff, you mean like showing up in the menu and stuff, like you'd do a ssh -X to a UNIX machine? |
| 13:03.24 | rhalff | oh hm parallels has a linux version but doesn't do coherence |
| 13:04.10 | rhalff | cmihai, visually all apps appear to be native, like IE docks just like it's a normal app |
| 13:04.17 | cmihai | Yeah, I know. |
| 13:04.20 | rhalff | and the windows taskbar is just another panel. |
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| 13:04.37 | cmihai | Well, to some extent there is copy/paste support and such in VMware or VirtualBox tools. And if the virtual machine is UNIX (has X), it's not an issue. |
| 13:04.47 | cmihai | this is only an issue with Windows clients machines. |
| 13:05.17 | cmihai | Windows 2008 got a feature for redirecting individual windows via RDP... may work with rdesktop in a few years :-] |
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| 13:06.51 | lindenle | <PROTECTED> |
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| 13:08.31 | snewp | lindenle: as far as I can remember you don't need to input the license key using dell installer cd |
| 13:08.41 | lindenle | snewp: ok |
| 13:08.59 | happla | snewp: hae you been oper on undernet? |
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| 13:09.00 | lindenle | its the COA that matters right not the media anyway |
| 13:09.00 | happla | have |
| 13:09.16 | snewp | lindenle: exactly |
| 13:09.35 | snewp | happla: not even once |
| 13:09.45 | lindenle | snewp: Cool so the sale of the machine with windows on it is legit due to the COA on the sticker right |
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| 13:10.16 | happla | snewp: ok |
| 13:10.16 | snewp | lindenle: as long as you will give the sticker to the buyer, yes |
| 13:10.38 | snewp | and it's still readable |
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| 13:14.21 | lindenle | snewp: yes and yes |
| 13:14.29 | lindenle | snewp: I dont need it anyway |
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| 13:15.38 | IgorSobreira | well...anybody knows if debian doesnt suport the last version of mod_python. because i only find libapache2-mod-python2.4...but nor *2.5 :/ |
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| 13:16.18 | `6og | IgorSobreira, probably not in stable |
| 13:17.02 | IgorSobreira | but can i get the unstable repositories? |
| 13:17.54 | `6og | !pinning |
| 13:17.54 | dpkg | If you are running stable, don't pin; use a backport. Ask me about <backports> or <simple sid backport>. If you're using testing, man apt_preferences or see http://wiki.debian.org/AptPinning. |
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| 13:20.11 | hendry | is there some recommended alternative to get `locate` working? |
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| 13:20.44 | `6og | hendry, pardon? |
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| 13:21.19 | xXCarpXx | hello |
| 13:21.29 | xXCarpXx | is it possible to open more than 1 shell in putty |
| 13:21.48 | xXCarpXx | like swichting between the shells with Alt+F1...5? |
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| 13:22.02 | \amethyst | xXCarpXx: look at the program "screen" |
| 13:22.08 | xXCarpXx | thx |
| 13:22.14 | xXCarpXx | is it also an ssh client? |
| 13:22.19 | `6og | bah. \amethyst beat me to it |
| 13:22.19 | \amethyst | xXCarpXx: it also lets you do things like detach from your session and reattach from somewhere else |
| 13:22.31 | \amethyst | xXCarpXx: no, it's a program you run once you log in to the other computer |
| 13:23.00 | xXCarpXx | \amethyst ... is it this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GNU_Screen ? |
| 13:23.04 | \amethyst | xXCarpXx: yes |
| 13:23.08 | xXCarpXx | ok thx |
| 13:23.26 | hendry | `6og: remember the command locate in findutils? |
| 13:23.39 | `6og | hendry, sure. |
| 13:23.40 | \amethyst | hendry: you're running unstable? |
| 13:23.50 | `6og | try slocate? |
| 13:24.09 | \amethyst | hendry: locate/updatedb have been split off into the package "locate" |
| 13:24.31 | \amethyst | hendry: or you could use slocate or mlocate |
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| 13:25.27 | \amethyst | mlocate supposedly has some optimizations to reduce disk usage |
| 13:25.35 | \amethyst | (checking directory timestamps) |
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| 13:28.39 | hendry | \amethyst: i have 'noatime' set on my system |
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| 13:29.02 | \amethyst | hendry: that's fine, it's looking at modification, not access, timestamps |
| 13:29.23 | \amethyst | hendry: but it sounds like mlocate should be better for your power consumption |
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| 13:35.35 | IgorSobreira | i dont have the file /etc/apt/preferences if i create it works? |
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| 13:37.28 | ronsonol | A bit of madness here, I run "X -configure", then "X -config xorg.conf.new", that doesn't work. But, if I *screw up* and type "X -config xorg.conf.nw", it works fine. Problem is, there's no such file. |
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| 13:38.18 | wols_ | ronsonol: you don't run X -configure ever |
| 13:38.20 | cmihai | It's xorg.conf.new, usually in /root |
| 13:38.24 | wols_ | you run dpkg-reconfigure xserver.xorg |
| 13:38.36 | wols_ | IgorSobreira: yes |
| 13:38.42 | cmihai | And yeah, there's a hash that you would have to create... |
| 13:38.49 | wols_ | cmihai: no, not anymore |
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| 13:39.05 | cmihai | wols_, well, not anymore what? Depends on what he's running :P |
| 13:39.14 | cmihai | But yeah, when did that change? |
| 13:39.31 | wols_ | cmihai: etch |
| 13:40.02 | hendry | thanks btw \amethyst |
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| 13:40.17 | cmihai | wols_, makes sense, since I remembered that from Sarge. |
| 13:40.24 | cmihai | Ah well. |
| 13:41.12 | man_in_shack | RichiH, `6og, i have no /etc/hostname in the chroot :) |
| 13:41.26 | RichiH | bleh |
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| 13:41.35 | RichiH | man_in_shack: can you file a bug? |
| 13:41.50 | man_in_shack | not right now |
| 13:41.58 | man_in_shack | should be sleeping |
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| 13:53.07 | Noboru | hi guys, can 'shutdown' work as well as 'init 0' in debian ? |
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| 13:53.49 | man_in_shack | Noboru, yes, shutdown -h now |
| 13:53.51 | hark | that's how it works |
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| 13:54.22 | DustyBin | could anyone recommend a calendar / organizer type thing what doesnt install lots of kde or gnome libs ? |
| 13:54.29 | Noboru | well, the time is now 22:54, i want it shutdown at 5:00,how ? |
| 13:54.43 | Noboru | 5:00,is in the early morning. yes. |
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| 13:55.07 | Noboru | the data-center sent me message says they need to upgrade electricity,so. |
| 13:55.39 | wols_ | Noboru: man at |
| 13:55.40 | asg | Noboru: the manpage tells you what you need to know |
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| 13:56.18 | Noboru | shutdown -h 10:42 ,it will shutdown at 10:42,i googled. |
| 13:56.26 | man_in_shack | DustyBin, orage (xfce/gtk) |
| 13:56.45 | Noboru | hi wols_ good morning. |
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| 13:59.22 | DustyBin | man_in_shack: aye thanks |
| 13:59.23 | Noboru | man at, No manual entry for at |
| 14:00.04 | wols_ | !tell Noboru about installit |
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| 14:02.49 | strav | hi! I'm having some issues with suspend to ram using powersaved (or anything else for that matter). The farthest I went with suspending was being enable to correctly resume from suspend after I update most of my apps. (note, this does not seems to be a kernel problem (conflist between new sab allocator and ati), I succeeded in suspending with kernel 2.6.23 and 2.6.18...) |
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| 14:05.32 | strav | I'm tired as hell. 'natch |
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| 14:11.38 | IgorSobreira | hey guys...anybody knows what could be happening here? http://dpaste.com/28541/ |
| 14:11.56 | IgorSobreira | 404 in debian servers? O_o maybe its the wrong url? |
| 14:12.05 | abrotman | non-us doesn't exist anymore |
| 14:12.14 | eth01 | its messed up, thats why. |
| 14:12.15 | abrotman | !non-us |
| 14:12.15 | dpkg | well, non-us is where we put software that cannot be distributed from the USA. For woody, use "deb http://non-US.debian.org/debian-non-US woody/non-US main contrib non-free" in sources.list, and deb-src if you want sources. Changes in legislation mean that post-Woody, there is no non-us, so you don't need it for Sarge, Etch or Sid. Ask me about "crypto". for the few remaining packages, see http://lists.debian.org/debian-release/2005/05/msg01355.html |
| 14:12.41 | eth01 | what version of debian are you running? |
| 14:12.46 | IgorSobreira | 4.0 |
| 14:12.54 | eth01 | revert back to the default |
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| 14:13.56 | IgorSobreira | eth01, it's because i was trying to install mod_python to apache but in stable doesn't have the last version |
| 14:13.59 | wols_ | IgorSobreira: with sources.list like that it's higly unlikely you run etch |
| 14:14.10 | abrotman | IgorSobreira: you do not need non-us sources .. those are the ones that are giving you the 404 |
| 14:14.11 | wols_ | IgorSobreira: mixing debian branches is a dumb idea |
| 14:14.52 | IgorSobreira | well..the default is just the first 3 rigth? |
| 14:15.17 | abrotman | IgorSobreira: dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1 .. what does it say? |
| 14:15.52 | IgorSobreira | ii libc6 2.3.6.ds1-13 GNU C Library: Shared libraries |
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| 14:17.38 | IgorSobreira | so how can i install packages from unstable? |
| 14:17.47 | Noboru | hmm |
| 14:18.19 | IgorSobreira | i was reading this http://wiki.debian.org/AptPinning |
| 14:18.28 | abrotman | did you use pinning? |
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| 14:19.05 | IgorSobreira | actually i was trying... :) |
| 14:19.38 | wols_ | !tell IgorSobreira about simple sid backport |
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| 14:20.58 | IgorSobreira | but what repositories should i use for unstable and testing? |
| 14:21.21 | Noboru | can anyone tell me shutdown -k -h 2,which will not really shutdown but a test ? |
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| 14:22.19 | Maulkin | What does it say in 'man shutdown'? |
| 14:22.22 | abrotman | Noboru: isn't there a dry run option ? |
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| 14:22.38 | Noboru | huh ? |
| 14:22.59 | Orion_X11 | Can I install grub and lilo in mbr? Will I get any problem for that? |
| 14:23.09 | Maulkin | Orion_X11: you can only install one |
| 14:23.10 | abrotman | Noboru: what's your qestion? -k is a dry run .. it won't actually do it |
| 14:23.14 | abrotman | Orion_X11: one or th |
| 14:23.41 | Noboru | abrotman, i need to test if shutdown -h 23:10 work or no |
| 14:23.51 | abrotman | that's what -k says it will do? |
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| 14:24.05 | Orion_X11 | What happens if I install they both and reboot the machine? |
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| 14:24.14 | Noboru | so add '-k' before '-h' is safe to do ? |
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| 14:24.34 | wols_ | Orion_X11: you can only install one fot hem not both |
| 14:24.48 | wols_ | Orion_X11: either/or of them runs, never both |
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| 14:26.04 | abrotman | Orion_X11: only one will be there |
| 14:26.17 | abrotman | i guess you could chainload them .. but that seems illy |
| 14:26.18 | abrotman | silly |
| 14:26.56 | Noboru | hi abrotman ,i ran it ,says The system is going DOWN for system halt in 2 minutes! so ? |
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| 14:27.43 | |bb7| | hi, can I use apt-get dist-upgrade to switch from testing to stable ? |
| 14:27.44 | Orion_X11 | The problem is that I am getting "kernel panic" at boot time and I suspect that it has something wrong with my grub. |
| 14:27.55 | asg | |bb7|: /msg dpkg downgrade |
| 14:28.10 | Noboru | abrotman, got it ,thank you. |
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| 14:30.14 | |bb7| | thank you |
| 14:31.03 | mardi_soir | bonjour |
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| 14:38.59 | Noboru | abrotman, i run 'shutdown -h 02:00' i cannot get back to command line,im connected to the server via ssh ;( |
| 14:39.07 | Noboru | go back,i mean |
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| 14:39.13 | abrotman | why would you type that? |
| 14:39.16 | eth01 | you shutdown the server ... |
| 14:39.21 | Noboru | i forgot to put it run in background as adding & |
| 14:39.21 | eth01 | and you wonder why you can't get back in |
| 14:39.22 | neotic | hahaha |
| 14:39.35 | abrotman | Noboru: call your hosting .. ask them to turn it back on |
| 14:39.43 | Noboru | abrotman, i need it to be shutdown at 2:00am |
| 14:39.53 | Noboru | ? |
| 14:39.54 | eth01 | run a cronjob/tab |
| 14:40.00 | Noboru | i am the admin |
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| 14:40.10 | neotic | get a new job |
| 14:40.12 | abrotman | shutdown or reboot at 2am ? |
| 14:40.19 | Noboru | shutdown |
| 14:40.20 | eth01 | why do you want to shutdown your server, though? |
| 14:40.37 | Element14 | is there any method to retrieve the state of a machine (why it died) when the kernel has panicked? |
| 14:40.46 | Noboru | eth01, data-center need to upgrade,they called me to shutdown my server before they do. |
| 14:40.59 | abrotman | well .. one of you got to it :) |
| 14:41.01 | Element14 | beside from the screen/console (since it's a machine hidden in a server room, and somebody goes to reboot it when it dies) |
| 14:41.21 | eth01 | i see |
| 14:41.27 | Noboru | abrotman, so now,if i close ssh, the shutdown process will be canceled ? |
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| 14:41.58 | abrotman | i thought you just said you couldn't connect? |
| 14:42.19 | Noboru | no,im connected to it now,but how do i go back to command line |
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| 14:42.45 | abrotman | oh .. just kill that .. then run it with a nohup and & |
| 14:42.49 | Noboru | i forgot ctrl + which key to let a running command in background |
| 14:42.55 | neotic | z |
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| 14:43.20 | Noboru | ctrl+z doesn't work |
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| 14:46.27 | Noboru | abrotman, ctrl + c canceled it. |
| 14:47.03 | Noboru | abrotman, so, shutdown -h 02:00 nohup & ? |
| 14:47.14 | Noboru | what does that nohup work for ,please ? |
| 14:47.34 | asg | Noboru: man nohup |
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| 14:49.25 | IgorSobreira | anybody could show me the default repositories to etch? |
| 14:49.45 | asg | IgorSobreira: /usr/share/doc/apt/sources.list |
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| 14:49.48 | Noboru | i think i gotta put 'nohup' in the beginning thus 'nohup shutdown -h 02:00 &' ? |
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| 14:50.15 | asg | IgorSobreira: sorry /usr/share/doc/apt/examples/sources.list |
| 14:50.16 | alinux787878 | hi all, why does a nmap -sS hostname scan return all ports as open ? although they are surely not open |
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| 14:50.56 | alinux787878 | hi all, why does a nmap -sS hostname scan return all ports as open ? although they are surely not open |
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| 14:51.19 | asg | alinux787878: ask #nmap |
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| 14:51.46 | alinux787878 | asg, nmap is empty |
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| 14:52.03 | alinux787878 | :( |
| 14:52.15 | abrotman | SHEILDS UP! |
| 14:52.25 | fengor | alinux787878: my guess would be because the ports ARE open |
| 14:52.44 | asg | alinux787878: is there an intermediate router or firewall between your scanner and the box being scanned? |
| 14:52.50 | pickcoder | alinux787878: -sS is a SYN scan |
| 14:53.12 | pickcoder | is iptables set to accept all or drop? |
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| 14:53.33 | pickcoder | alinux787878: try -sT instead |
| 14:53.52 | Noboru | thanks all.bye. |
| 14:54.00 | alinux787878 | pickcoder, ok |
| 14:54.08 | asg | alinux787878: use tcpdump on the scanner to verify that you are getting SYN|ACK packets back for each SYN nmap sends. |
| 14:55.06 | Hoxzer | does kde-bluetooth work on lenny ? |
| 14:55.27 | zamuro | Oh, yeah!! It surely does, Hoxzer |
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| 14:55.46 | DustyBin | if anyone wants a good, effective, solid, powerful easy to setup iptables firewall for home box just install: arno-iptables-firewall from the packages |
| 14:56.01 | pickcoder | alinux787878: you don't by chance have some sort of IDS running do you? |
| 14:56.04 | DustyBin | it configures a lot of complex stuff |
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| 14:56.34 | fengor | good effective solid would be dropall? ;p |
| 14:56.41 | Hoxzer | zamuro: sarcasm ? for me it doesn't |
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| 14:56.57 | Hoxzer | zamuro: first of all it tries to look for dbus socket at totally wrong place |
| 14:57.01 | DustyBin | plus you can put in your own configurations on top of it |
| 14:57.09 | zamuro | Nope... Not at all... It does work fine for me. |
| 14:57.21 | Hoxzer | hmm |
| 14:57.22 | pickcoder | DustyBin: I find that shorewall is simple to configure and quite powerful |
| 14:57.28 | Hoxzer | strange |
| 14:57.41 | DustyBin | pickcoder: i always thought shorewall was meant to be used on a seperate box? |
| 14:57.52 | zamuro | Hoxzer: What are you trying to do, in the first place? |
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| 14:58.40 | harpal | When I get ip from dhcp server than which events are generally called? |
| 14:58.46 | pickcoder | DustyBin: only if you want to waste a perfectly good PC on something as light as an iptables rule manager |
| 14:58.46 | DustyBin | arno-iptables-firewall is ideal for setting up a quick iptables firewall on individual boxes, then you can also have a main firewall box running shorewall or pfsense etc |
| 14:58.54 | Hoxzer | zamuro: Trying to get connection to my phone via bluetooth |
| 14:59.27 | DustyBin | pickcoder: main firewalls should be on there own box? |
| 14:59.37 | pickcoder | DustyBin: if you plan on logging packets, then sure.. host it on a solitary machine |
| 14:59.41 | zamuro | Hoxzer: Are you trying to send/receive files via bluetooth? |
| 15:00.14 | pickcoder | or if you plan on shaping bandwidth for high traffic |
| 15:00.18 | DustyBin | packet filter sense ftw :D |
| 15:00.20 | Hoxzer | zamuro: yes, but the whole point is that "bluetooth:/" causes full set of erros |
| 15:00.29 | Hoxzer | zamuro: those errors note there might be a bug |
| 15:01.04 | zamuro | Hoxzer: All I had to do was apt-get install -y bluez kde-bluetooth gnome-obex-server and start using kde client to send files to phone and gnome client to receive them. |
| 15:01.04 | Hoxzer | zamuro: and first of all it wouldn't even start because it looked for dbus socket at totally wrong place |
| 15:01.10 | Hoxzer | zamuro: so I made a symlink and it started |
| 15:01.16 | pickcoder | I think they'd freak out if they saw even a dirt road |
| 15:01.19 | pickcoder | <g> |
| 15:01.23 | Hoxzer | zamuro: I dont use gnome packages |
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| 15:01.43 | Hoxzer | zamuro: what repo do you ues ? |
| 15:01.46 | Hoxzer | *use |
| 15:02.22 | [Gandhi] | zamuro: :P |
| 15:02.44 | zamuro | Hoxzer hmmm... as far as I remember, ftp.debian.org (main, contrib and non-free), userbrooke for debian-multimedia and security... That's pretty much all I need. |
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| 15:03.09 | zamuro | secucity.debian.org, I mean... |
| 15:03.15 | Hoxzer | Yep, I was just wondering if my repo had wrong(old) version of it |
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| 15:04.11 | IgorSobreira | hey guys...i know im asking a lot today :/ ...but i still can't find a way to install a package that i see on http://packages.debian.org/unstable/ |
| 15:04.45 | abrotman | !tell IgorSobreira about simple sid backport |
| 15:04.50 | Ronin | IgorSobreira: did, never mind |
| 15:04.53 | pickcoder | meh.. you beat me! |
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| 15:06.49 | eternalswd | I'm looking for a good pdf to png/jpg/gif/tif converter. I've tried grapicsmagick, but the output quality is poor and the output image has double the height filled half with white. Anyone have suggestions or know how to get graphicmagick to work better? |
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| 15:07.18 | pickcoder | eternalswd: ghostscript |
| 15:07.25 | abrotman | eternalswd: apt-file search pdf2 |
| 15:07.27 | pickcoder | there is a jpeg and tif output |
| 15:07.50 | pickcoder | png too I believe |
| 15:10.30 | Nyle_ | tif |
| 15:10.35 | Nyle_ | why is my internet fucked |
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| 15:14.34 | IgorSobreira | but i can see the package in http://packages.debian.org/unstable/, added the unstable in my repos, but still can't find in apt-cache search...and when i try to install with -t unstable it goes to the older version. i see beacuse the package is libapache2-mod-python2.4, but i want libapache2-mod-python2.5, but the dependence to libapache2-mod-python is python2.4...but i want 2.5 :/ |
| 15:14.54 | Ronin | IgorSobreira: did you read what dpkg said about sid backport? |
| 15:14.58 | Ronin | im guessing no |
| 15:17.53 | IgorSobreira | yes |
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| 15:18.11 | IgorSobreira | the libapache2-mod-python2.5 is not in backports |
| 15:18.24 | IgorSobreira | only the 2.4 |
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| 15:18.38 | Linex | In my /var/log/messages, there is a bunch of [kernel]: 00 00 f0 2b and many lines like this but different numbers. This happens when I copy files to an external drive of mine. Anyone have idea what this means ? Is it a warning or an error ? |
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| 15:18.54 | pickcoder | IgorSobreira: if it's not in backports then you have to make a backport |
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| 15:19.14 | pickcoder | dpkg did tell you that |
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| 15:21.23 | IgorSobreira | pickcoder, yep...see the build-dep...and then -b source packagene name right? but one dependence is python2.4..so its trying to install libapache2-mod-python2.4..but i want the 2.5 |
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| 15:22.02 | Vutral | mhmhm |
| 15:22.04 | Vutral | fucking shit |
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| 15:22.58 | Hoxzer | http://pastebin.ca/823710 <- this happens when I try to refresh bluetooth:/ with konqueror |
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| 15:37.05 | Nyle | Hoxzer: maybe check the bts and try asking #kde |
| 15:37.15 | Nyle | seems like a pretty obviously stated message |
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| 15:49.33 | Usiu | Hi |
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| 15:49.38 | Usiu | My mysql segfaults |
| 15:49.39 | Usiu | any help? |
| 15:49.43 | fas3r | hello everybody |
| 15:50.34 | pwncity | When I boot into Debian I just see a big black screen, and this text in the middle of it: http://kortlink.dk/4mdt |
| 15:50.34 | fas3r | i have modify inetd.conf file .. i need to restart something for apply modification ? |
| 15:50.34 | manu_hack | any debian tools which can be used as ip tracer like this webpage http://www.urgentclick.com/address_trace.php, I used traceroute, tracepath but without getting the same result ... |
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| 15:51.07 | asg | fas3r: you need to restart inetd |
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| 15:51.40 | fadey | Hi, everyone. I have a project on sourceforge and would like it to be included into debian. Please, could anyone tell me what passes I sould take |
| 15:51.45 | fas3r | asg: i find the service in /etc/init.d ? |
| 15:51.52 | alecssys | hello ... how do i start ssh daemon in debian unstable ? |
| 15:51.57 | Maulkin | fas3r: what's the project? |
| 15:52.03 | asg | fas3r: yes |
| 15:52.06 | Maulkin | fadey: what's the project? |
| 15:52.08 | Maulkin | (sorry) |
| 15:52.16 | fas3r | Maulkin: np ;) |
| 15:52.20 | fadey | Maulkin: trafitizer.sourceforge.net |
| 15:52.24 | Maulkin | alecssys: install ssh |
| 15:52.25 | wols_ | manu_hack: it's a simple reverse DNS lookup |
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| 15:53.16 | alecssys | Maulkin: i already did that |
| 15:53.31 | fas3r | asg: i haven't it ... |
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| 15:54.09 | asg | fas3r: it's either inet or openbsd-inetd depending on which debian flavor you happen to be running |
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| 15:54.14 | Maulkin | alecssys: What's the output of: dpkg -l openssh-server |tail -1 |
| 15:54.37 | Maulkin | fadey: Are you running Debian? |
| 15:54.41 | alecssys | Maulkin: un openssh-server <none> (no description available) |
| 15:54.48 | Maulkin | alecssys: then it's not installed |
| 15:54.54 | Maulkin | alecssys: install it :) |
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| 15:55.35 | Maulkin | fadey: and do you want to package and maintain it, or get someone else to? |
| 15:55.39 | alecssys | then how can i ssh without having ssh installed ? :-? |
| 15:55.42 | fadey | Maulkin: right now - kubuntu, but yes, I have servers with Debian |
| 15:55.54 | Maulkin | alecssys: you can have the client without the server |
| 15:55.55 | asg | alecssys: you have the client installed but not the server component |
| 15:55.56 | fadey | Maulkin: myself |
| 15:56.00 | fas3r | asg : ha yes thak ;) |
| 15:56.04 | fas3r | thank* |
| 15:56.07 | asg | fas3r: you're welcome |
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| 15:56.10 | Maulkin | fadey: ok. on a debian box, use "reportbug wnpp" |
| 15:56.12 | fas3r | openbsd-inetd |
| 15:56.14 | fas3r | :p |
| 15:56.24 | Maulkin | fadey: file an ITP |
| 15:56.24 | epsilon | alecssys: ssh/sshd isn't installed at minimum configuration, you have to do ityourself to be able to use it |
| 15:56.31 | Maulkin | fadey: read the new maintainers guide :) |
| 15:56.32 | fas3r | i haven't open my eyes ... :s |
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| 15:57.07 | alecssys | ok ... i got it .. thanks |
| 15:57.09 | alecssys | btw |
| 15:57.20 | alecssys | do you have any ideea how can i install nvidia-glx manually ? |
| 15:57.22 | Maulkin | fadey: http://www.debian.org/doc/maint-guide/ |
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| 15:57.32 | alecssys | i mean .. without apt-get install ? because it's not working |
| 15:57.44 | Maulkin | !nvidia |
| 15:57.44 | dpkg | To use an NVIDIA graphics card with Debian, see http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers. If you've done it before, ask me about <nvidia one-liner> for a reminder. |
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| 15:58.23 | fadey | Maulkin: thanks a lot. will start reading |
| 15:58.29 | Maulkin | fadey: no problems |
| 15:58.38 | wols_ | alecssys: no. we do not support any other install than via apt from the restricted repos. what is not working exactly? |
| 15:59.03 | alecssys | nvidia-glx: Depends: nvidia-kernel-100.14.19 but it is not installable |
| 15:59.22 | wols_ | alecssys: you running sid? |
| 15:59.23 | alecssys | and i have install exactly the same version of nvidia-kernel from their site |
| 15:59.26 | alecssys | yes |
| 15:59.59 | gener1c | i love debian!!! |
| 16:00.11 | wols_ | alecssys: do you have contrib and non-free sources? |
| 16:00.12 | alecssys | everyone does |
| 16:00.17 | alecssys | yes i do |
| 16:00.19 | gener1c | nah i had to shout it |
| 16:00.29 | alecssys | so you don't love it ? |
| 16:00.36 | gener1c | i do i do |
| 16:00.40 | wols_ | alecssys: if they do, they can support their own install of it or ask #nvidia. we won't support it |
| 16:00.44 | gener1c | it overwhelms me tho |
| 16:01.06 | gener1c | with its kindness and goodness and all its cool widgets |
| 16:01.17 | alecssys | wols_: ok .. i'll try to ask them and see if i can resolve the problem |
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| 16:01.21 | alecssys | thanks for the help |
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| 16:01.37 | doublehp | I need a software solution to handle data; there will be 100 to 200 lines of 10 cells; the point of the thing is that I will need very quick sorting of lines, on clicking on criterias (top of colomns). Gnumeric can not do that; OOo sounds too heavy; SQL+PHP could do, but before writing code, I ask you if any existing local software can do it without depending on any daemon service. Gnumeric and XML format obviously are a good |
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| 16:02.04 | Azar | the satisfaction of a work well done and lessons learned, gener1c ... that makes you love it |
| 16:02.27 | idimmu | doublehp bash cat awk sort :) |
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| 16:02.36 | gener1c | yes indeed, debian is an ongoing lesson |
| 16:02.40 | iEatChildren | doublehp - i imagine in the time its taking you to find some software to do that you could write your sql+php script |
| 16:03.39 | doublehp | iEatChildren: I want to avoid SQL, cause it's local service dependant, thus, not portable "quickly" ; I d even prefer some GTK fronhead |
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| 16:04.13 | alecssys | doublehp: i think i could do that |
| 16:04.37 | alecssys | from scratch of course |
| 16:04.40 | fengor | doublehp: so you say gnumeric has trouble sorting what? 200 lines? |
| 16:04.49 | doublehp | alecssys: sounds like a school exercise; any one can do; I am asking if it exists |
| 16:05.06 | doublehp | fengor: sorting lines using a column criteria |
| 16:05.18 | alecssys | why would someone write a program like that if it's not needed ? |
| 16:05.36 | doublehp | fengor: I d like some kind of double click being enough to sort |
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| 16:05.52 | negativo- | /w $me |
| 16:05.55 | negativo- | sorry |
| 16:05.58 | fengor | cant imagine any spreadheet program having trouble with this |
| 16:06.26 | doublehp | alecssys: which way would you do it ? I think I d love GTK |
| 16:06.32 | fengor | heck there are even javascript libraries that can do that |
| 16:06.37 | rhalff | doublehp, so just install that :) |
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| 16:07.07 | doublehp | fengor: JS cant; it either depends on web server, or hit a local file size limitation |
| 16:07.13 | rhalff | maybe you are lucky and someone allready thought of a datagrid widget ever before. |
| 16:08.53 | Maulkin | local file size limitation? |
| 16:08.53 | doublehp | fengor: which spreadsheets do you think about ? |
| 16:08.53 | doublehp | fengor: how do you do quick sort in gnumeric ? |
| 16:08.53 | fengor | just use a spreadsheet programm of your choice. you know how apt-cache search works right? |
| 16:08.53 | fengor | i dont use gnumeric i just cant imagine it has problems witha mere 2000 cells |
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| 16:09.20 | alecssys | doublehp: i said php+sql ... what do you mean by gtk ? |
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| 16:10.21 | fengor | doublehp: and js can do it i'm afraid. see http://extjs.com/deploy/ext/examples/grid/array-grid.html |
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| 16:10.28 | doublehp | alecssys: SQL is a local service; I want to avoid that, and only use standalone technologies. Gtk takes longer time to generate GUI than PHP, but, the app wont dep on local service, and can store everything in local file |
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| 16:11.09 | toicontento | doublehp, gtk?, python with gtk to make a GUI program, it should be easy |
| 16:11.24 | doublehp | fengor: I never said JS cant sort; I said JS either depend on web server, or hit a local file limitation if you record data in cookies |
| 16:11.52 | fengor | who said anything about cookies. and i still dont understand your problem |
| 16:11.57 | cockroach | small question before i start wasting tremendous amounts of time: is it actually possible to get flash (i know, but still) working properly on amd64? |
| 16:11.59 | fengor | just use any spreadsheet program |
| 16:12.05 | fengor | i'm sure gnumeric can do it |
| 16:12.10 | dell_lin | is there any setting to confiure wget ttl (time to live setting ) for say i had bad /dailup connection break and connect again so i can resume downloading |
| 16:12.15 | fengor | it's not liek you try to store a lot of data |
| 16:12.21 | alecssys | cockroach: flashplayer ? |
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| 16:12.38 | cockroach | alecssys: the firefox plugin |
| 16:12.45 | alecssys | it works for me |
| 16:12.47 | alecssys | ... |
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| 16:13.00 | cockroach | alecssys: oh, interesting. how did you do that? :) |
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| 16:13.25 | doublehp | fengor: I did not find how to ask gnumeric to sort lines easily; OOo and koffice are way too heavy |
| 16:13.32 | vonnis | can somebody help me? im trying to download a whole website whit wget -r http://url_of_website/ everythig was going whell untill i get this "cannot connect to zenas.hightec.com|65.166.60.2|:80... " notice that this is not the website im trying to download its only a source for something the website needs that im downloading |
| 16:13.33 | cockroach | alecssys: over here some apps work, most don't. usually i just get a big white nothing... |
| 16:14.06 | rhalff | cockroach, http://www.fsckin.com/2007/09/20/how-to-install-adobe-flash-player-for-amd64-64-bit-on-debian-etch/ |
| 16:14.25 | fengor | then go and write your own code doublehp |
| 16:14.25 | cockroach | rhalff: thanks! |
| 16:15.04 | blackbart | vonnis, try adding --exclude-domains zenas.hightec.com |
| 16:15.13 | vonnis | can i skip somehow that file/source ? |
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| 16:15.24 | vonnis | how im a noob |
| 16:15.34 | Eclipser | uh |
| 16:15.50 | vonnis | should i typ that in the shell |
| 16:15.56 | vonnis | ? |
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| 16:16.04 | alecssys | doublehp: have you tried oocalc ? |
| 16:16.10 | wols_ | vonnis: wget -r -np |
| 16:16.11 | blackbart | vonnis, put it next to the -r in your existing command |
| 16:16.42 | doublehp | alecssys: OO* are too heavy for quick use |
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| 16:17.50 | vonnis | but then i have to download everything i already have again? its currently still trying to acces it can i stop it and do the command again whit the text added as you sayed whitout losing everything i already downloaded? |
| 16:17.57 | wij32 | just quick Q, anyone know a cool looking boot loader? grub is pissing me off |
| 16:18.09 | wij32 | or can i get GUI for grub |
| 16:18.42 | doublehp | wij32: did you activate menus and background images ? |
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| 16:19.15 | wij32 | erm, nope. didnt know, its a feature of grub? |
| 16:19.35 | wij32 | cool, il look into it. i used lilo a few years ago, what you think of that/ |
| 16:19.38 | doublehp | wij32: what's wrong with grub: there are only grub and lilo any way, and all distros are moving to grub. You may find alternate boot-promts, but, many are not even able to load initrds* |
| 16:20.04 | wij32 | doublehp: nothing really. just want to make it more attractive maybe.. |
| 16:20.15 | wij32 | saying that, im ranting on, im removing windows so wont really need a boot loader. |
| 16:20.16 | wij32 | nvm |
| 16:20.19 | doublehp | wij32: then, read grub tutos; it suports menus, it suports very nice FB bg images, themes, passwords .... |
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| 16:21.03 | vonnis | where does wget -r store the website i download? |
| 16:21.15 | doublehp | wij32: they are all ncurses like, there is no way to have X at that stage of the boot, but I sware that having girl high quality pictures at boot prompt will make your box atractive :) |
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| 16:22.06 | doublehp | wij32: selections themselves will look like ncurses, but, the BG image can use frame buffering ... |
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| 16:23.01 | Eclipser | mh |
| 16:23.32 | asg | who cares what it looks like when it boots; how much of your life do you spend booting that this is even useful? |
| 16:23.35 | Eclipser | linux-image-2.6-686 doesn't depend on 2.6.23 kernel so my m-a can't find the headers to build madwifi :/ |
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| 16:24.41 | Ronin | asg: apparently a lot of folks considering how many want splash themes |
| 16:24.57 | asg | boggles the mind |
| 16:25.03 | wij32 | yeah im not bothered. was bored so threw it out there |
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| 16:26.44 | abrotman | asg: to heck with how much time .. who actually watches it? |
| 16:27.37 | asg | abrotman: nfc |
| 16:27.45 | dryrot | my custom splash theme gets me laid constantly |
| 16:28.04 | abrotman | pictures of hot naked guys huh ? |
| 16:28.07 | Ronin | dryrot: rosy palm doesnt count |
| 16:29.22 | alecssys | for example ... what program could i use to see a nice bootloader when it boots ? like the one from ubuntu for example ... it's pretty useful to see what happens when it has problems at boot but after i make it work and there are absolutely no problems i get really bored of all that info ... |
| 16:29.33 | wij32 | haha |
| 16:29.54 | Maulkin | alecssys: usplash or splashy |
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| 16:30.17 | Ronin | or stop rebooting all the time |
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| 16:30.35 | alecssys | Ronin: i'm not rebooting ... :P |
| 16:30.49 | tralala | alecssys, why do you care about the boot process then? |
| 16:31.16 | Ronin | then why do you care? heh |
| 16:31.41 | asg | abrotman: I can see it now. "I have a problem booting!?!OMGZ" ; "What's the error?" ; "Dunno, the bar is at 50% and all I get is a picture of Heath Ledger's buttpie!" |
| 16:32.01 | alecssys | i dunno .. i'm a webdesigner and i just don't like to see all that info all the time ... |
| 16:32.04 | Ronin | damn you asg almost spit chili on my monitor |
| 16:32.27 | asg | Ronin: remind me to buy you a sneeze guard for your birthday |
| 16:32.32 | amphi | alecssys: so don't reboot all the time ;) |
| 16:32.37 | Ronin | alecssys: so dont watch it or stop rebooting |
| 16:33.23 | wij32 | heh, ok guys. thanks for the help. il stick with grub as it is. :-) |
| 16:33.37 | tralala | !reboot DawnLight |
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| 16:33.59 | tralala | oh dpkg, what do you know... |
| 16:34.02 | abrotman | !boot tralala |
| 16:34.10 | abrotman | !shoe? |
| 16:34.10 | dpkg | walk a mile in my shoes and we'll see what happens |
| 16:34.16 | aleksanteri | !sandal |
| 16:34.20 | antixogh | if you install the java sdk, do you still need the jre? |
| 16:34.45 | abrotman | no |
| 16:34.56 | antixogh | ok cool |
| 16:34.59 | abrotman | erm .. last i knew anyways |
| 16:35.27 | antixogh | hmm, well i guess i'll figure it out |
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| 16:36.30 | alecssys | asg: btw .... in gentoo live cd you can press F2 to go to verbose mode ... so you can see what's happening :p |
| 16:37.00 | abrotman | alecssys: he was making a joke ... |
| 16:37.13 | tralala | alecssys, in debian you can see what's happening without pressing anything! debian > gentoo |
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| 16:41.27 | spldart | quick question... Installing sarge on very old laptop. running sarge for small size and old hardware compatibility and less overhead... I'm copying netinst cd into a small fat partition on the drive and then booting with the floppy.img using rawrite... No CDrom on this laptop. Question... What directories on a netinst sarge disk do I need to put on the hdd in order to make my install? |
| 16:42.21 | wols_ | spldart: not a valid way to install |
| 16:42.34 | Zippy2 | spldart: do you have another computer that you could network to the laptop |
| 16:42.58 | spldart | Huh? It's worked with stuff like DSL and of course old versions of windows |
| 16:43.14 | Zippy2 | dsl is another distribution. they make their own install rules |
| 16:43.31 | spldart | Laptop wont have networking support until I load some minimal os correct? |
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| 16:43.42 | Zippy2 | spldart: depends on the laptop |
| 16:43.46 | __rcomalta___ | hello there |
| 16:43.49 | antixogh | if, there is a packages for the "OpenJDK - Java Platform, Standard Edition (Java SE)" what would it be named? |
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| 16:43.51 | Zippy2 | if it's old, i would guess that it would have network support |
| 16:43.55 | __rcomalta___ | debian is good for server ??? |
| 16:43.56 | wols_ | spldart: it can have networking support from boot floppies to do a network install |
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| 16:44.05 | Zippy2 | __rcomalta___: yes |
| 16:44.06 | spldart | It's an old Xircom card that plugs into pcmcia |
| 16:44.12 | wols_ | antixogh: there aren't |
| 16:44.13 | Zippy2 | __rcomalta___: centos/redhat is also popular |
| 16:44.25 | __rcomalta___ | zippy 2 is it gui or text |
| 16:44.26 | Zippy2 | and suse/opensuse |
| 16:44.30 | spldart | debian is very good for server use rcomalta |
| 16:44.30 | Zippy2 | __rcomalta___: everything is gui |
| 16:44.34 | Zippy2 | if you want it to be |
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| 16:44.47 | __rcomalta___ | thanks |
| 16:44.49 | Zippy2 | they all have packages for gnome, kde, etc |
| 16:44.49 | wols_ | __rcomalta___: but for a server you shouldn't use it |
| 16:45.03 | Zippy2 | i have a 18TB nas at work and it doesnt have gui |
| 16:45.06 | spldart | use screen for server IMO |
| 16:45.06 | Zippy2 | because it doesnt need it |
| 16:45.17 | antixogh | so the only thing packaged and open/free would be the ibm java right? |
| 16:45.24 | __rcomalta___ | wols you i know but i do 16 years work windows server and i am new on linux that way ask for gui |
| 16:45.24 | Decepticon | how do i check what label a hdd has? |
| 16:45.49 | spldart | that will make it a steep learning curve :( |
| 16:45.53 | wols_ | __rcomalta___: linux is not windows and you can rarely do sysadmin stuff witht he GUI |
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| 16:46.12 | wols_ | antixogh: where is IBM java packaged? |
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| 16:46.32 | Ludootje | after upgrading my hardware (from x86 to x86_64) grub would like seem to scroll the screen, then show me an ascii smiley. i cleared the MBR, after which I could boot into windows again. I used a livecd to boot my otherwise unbootable debian system, and reinstalled grub, but I got the ascii smiley again. I've googled around and noticed this is a relatively common problem, but couldn't find a solution. Anyone an idea of how I can fix this? |
| 16:46.34 | abrotman | IBM hasn't made java since 1.4 |
| 16:46.47 | __rcomalta___ | wols but if i need to make web hosting ftp server and sharing is gui or it is text |
| 16:46.49 | antixogh | oh ok |
| 16:47.00 | wols_ | __rcomalta___: text |
| 16:47.07 | Ronin | __rcomalta___: text you dont need gui for taht |
| 16:47.19 | __rcomalta___ | ronin you are expert i am not :) |
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| 16:47.26 | Zippy2 | Ludootje: no idea |
| 16:47.32 | Ronin | __rcomalta___: ha, im no where expert |
| 16:47.44 | wols_ | __rcomalta___: has nothing to do with that. you cannot really admin a apache2 server from a GUI |
| 16:47.52 | tralala | __rcomalta___, non-experts should not administer servers |
| 16:48.01 | Zippy2 | tralala: amen |
| 16:48.06 | __rcomalta___ | a rely |
| 16:48.07 | wols_ | tralala: you've been in #d for how long and still say that? |
| 16:48.14 | __rcomalta___ | wols anf for ftp server |
| 16:48.15 | Ronin | tralala: ha, you need to get out more often |
| 16:48.32 | wols_ | tralala: mind you it's true but the general cluelessness of people running servers and asking for help should have cured you from saying it loud |
| 16:48.35 | Zippy2 | i know im an expert when people say "we've been looking for someone like you for a long time" |
| 16:48.37 | Zippy2 | people i work with |
| 16:48.39 | wols_ | __rcomalta___: same |
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| 16:48.50 | Decepticon | how would i restart hal? |
| 16:48.59 | Zippy2 | /etc/init.d/hal restart |
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| 16:49.09 | tralala | wols_, if I can discourage even a single soul from becomming a wannabe admin I've made the world a little bit better for all of us ;) |
| 16:49.17 | ucas | can't you also do 'rc hal restart'? |
| 16:49.29 | Zippy2 | ucas: man rc |
| 16:49.37 | spldart | hehehe @ tralala's comment |
| 16:49.38 | wols_ | tralala: true but have valid reasons ever swayed a wannabe admin? |
| 16:49.42 | Ronin | tralala: yet how do they get good if not through being ad admin etc. |
| 16:49.51 | Zippy2 | ucas: i can type those in the same amount of time, anyway |
| 16:50.00 | __rcomalta___ | zippy wich you sugest for me debian or susu |
| 16:50.11 | Ronin | __rcomalta___: of course we're going to say debian |
| 16:50.11 | Decepticon | i just have a alias services='sudo /usr/sbin/invoke-rc.d' ... so i do 'services hal restart' |
| 16:50.12 | Zippy2 | __rcomalta___: opensuse/centos |
| 16:50.19 | wols_ | __rcomalta___: you are in #debian, what you gonne think? or do you ever think? |
| 16:50.25 | ucas | if I want to connect to a windows domain, what package(s) do i need? I looked for something with 'cifs' which i thought was windows' way of domain |
| 16:50.25 | Zippy2 | debian is more for people who want to learn |
| 16:50.32 | Ronin | Zippy2: ? |
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| 16:50.44 | Zippy2 | opensuse/centos is more for people who are managers/government/military |
| 16:50.47 | wols_ | ucas: samba stuffs. smbclient for example |
| 16:50.48 | lhadji | lol |
| 16:50.53 | tralala | wols_, well, no... nevertheless I'm persistent |
| 16:51.01 | Ronin | well theres some really odd logic Zippy2 |
| 16:51.02 | toicontento | ucas, cifs is a network filesystem |
| 16:51.07 | Decepticon | Zippy2 theres no hal in /etc/init.d/ |
| 16:51.07 | tralala | Ronin, going out?! What do you mean? |
| 16:51.14 | Zippy2 | Ronin: is debian certified for use by the us navy? |
| 16:51.21 | ucas | wols_: have those. need nothing else to be a part of the domain? not just connect to network shares. |
| 16:51.25 | Decepticon | so once again, how do i restart hal, (theres no /etc/init.d/hal) |
| 16:51.29 | Ronin | tralala: into the world, your theory is nice until you get out into the world |
| 16:51.39 | Ronin | Zippy2: means nothing |
| 16:51.39 | Ludootje | Decepticon: maybe /etc/init.d/hald ? |
| 16:51.47 | Decepticon | Ludootje does not exist |
| 16:51.48 | Zippy2 | Ronin: to you, maybe |
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| 16:52.06 | wols_ | ucas: read the samba howto |
| 16:52.07 | Zippy2 | Ronin: but if you're buying hardware for $500,000 and the software isnt supported on debian, it would make a difference |
| 16:52.24 | Ronin | Zippy2: all that means is that someone paid the navy a ton of cash |
| 16:52.26 | Ludootje | Decepticon: just to be surue, you noticed I said "hald", not "hal"? |
| 16:52.29 | Ludootje | sure* |
| 16:52.31 | ucas | wols_: ok, thanks |
| 16:52.31 | Zippy2 | Ronin: wrong |
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| 16:52.52 | Zippy2 | Ronin: the navy and a bunch of other government entities internationally support redhat, so software companies independently support redhat |
| 16:52.54 | tralala | Ronin, which is why I'm not doing it ;p |
| 16:52.55 | Decepticon | Ludootje, yes, /etc/init.d/hald is not there either |
| 16:53.12 | Zippy2 | academia also supports redhat |
| 16:53.14 | Ronin | Zippy2: and they support rh cause rh paid a lot for them to say theat |
| 16:53.27 | Ronin | in any case we're way OT for here |
| 16:53.42 | Zippy2 | Ronin: ive been using debian for 5+ years |
| 16:53.48 | Zippy2 | and slackware before then for a couple more years |
| 16:53.56 | Ludootje | Decepticon: then maybe a killall -HUP, though I've found HUP's behavior to be unpredictable (possibly due to my misunderstanding it) |
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| 16:54.16 | oye | do you have an OT channel? |
| 16:54.19 | __rcomalta___ | and for mail server zippy |
| 16:54.25 | tralala | oye, debian-offtopic |
| 16:54.28 | Ronin | __rcomalta___: once again debain and text |
| 16:54.30 | asg | tralala: hush |
| 16:54.31 | oye | tralala: thank you |
| 16:54.32 | Ronin | oye: #debian-offtopic |
| 16:54.34 | Ludootje | Decepticon: or you could just kill it and start it again using /usr/bin/hald or something (possibly you can see the correct path using 'ps axf') |
| 16:54.40 | Zippy2 | im using debian now. all im saying is that for newbies, i think redhat derivative is better if they arent as interested in learning (like the opposite for slackware) -- done |
| 16:54.54 | Decepticon | Ludootje alright ill try that |
| 16:54.57 | tralala | asg, ha! I've spoiled your elite little place, didn't I! |
| 16:55.16 | asg | tralala: 'sokay, he got the standard disclaimer |
| 16:55.18 | Ronin | Zippy2: im not arguing that part actually, i agree many are more suited to new users etc. |
| 16:55.22 | Ronin | damn it, heh |
| 16:55.37 | Zippy2 | winnar |
| 16:56.02 | Zippy2 | damn gotta walk and catch a train soon |
| 16:56.36 | Zippy2 | i have to make proposals on like $50000+ of hardware for the rest of this week :( |
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| 16:57.09 | Zippy2 | one of them is a ~50TB nas. somehow, the person who proposed the nas we have got a motherboard with 2 or 3 pci-x slots |
| 16:57.18 | Zippy2 | 2 pci-x 133mhz and 1 100mhz |
| 16:57.29 | cyzie | how to check in a system if an application is using too much memory (possibel of memory leakage) ? |
| 16:57.36 | Zippy2 | cyzie: ps or top |
| 16:57.39 | toicontento | Decepticon, restart dbus |
| 16:57.45 | Gm4n | ooh, I want a 50TB nas :D |
| 16:57.47 | asg | Zippy2: 50 TB for 50,000. That's likely going to be gimp hardware |
| 16:57.47 | Decepticon | toicontento intersting |
| 16:57.53 | cyzie | Zippy2, that doesnt tell much... have treid that many times. |
| 16:57.56 | Zippy2 | asg: i said + |
| 16:58.03 | Zippy2 | cyzie: man ps or man top |
| 16:58.07 | asg | Zippy2: that's a big '+' |
| 16:58.14 | Zippy2 | asg: we get edu discount |
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| 16:58.21 | cyzie | Zippy2, that doesnt specific... |
| 16:58.31 | Zippy2 | cyzie: google, im not an encyclopedia |
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| 16:59.01 | Zippy2 | Gm4n: you'd be paying more in power per year than the the amount your current computer costs, probably |
| 16:59.20 | Zippy2 | we have 26 hard drives now |
| 16:59.23 | Zippy2 | in one box |
| 16:59.26 | antixogh | would any one say that most people use the non free java jre? |
| 16:59.30 | Decepticon | who told me to restart dbus? |
| 16:59.38 | cyzie | Zippy2, well, i cant find any specifically though |
| 16:59.49 | Zippy2 | cyzie: learn how to search with keywords |
| 16:59.56 | Gm4n | by the way, Zippy2, I'me looking at building my own small raid5 box (please don't shoot, I'm not a corporation, so I can't afford raid 10) |
| 17:00.05 | Zippy2 | Gm4n: we use raid6 |
| 17:00.10 | cyzie | Zippy2, u are beating the bush, my question is very simple. |
| 17:00.11 | Zippy2 | 2 3ware controllers |
| 17:00.19 | Zippy2 | cyzie: i do ps axuww |
| 17:00.23 | Zippy2 | |less |
| 17:00.24 | Gm4n | I don't know what raid6 is, I guess I should look |
| 17:00.39 | Zippy2 | Gm4n: 2 spare drives instead of 1 with raid5. its meant for higher capacity |
| 17:00.44 | Zippy2 | check wikipedia |
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| 17:01.06 | gamag | hi |
| 17:01.23 | gamag | how do I install flash plugin for iceweasel on 64-bit debian? |
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| 17:01.48 | Decepticon | whoever told me to restart dbus, thanks... but why does restarting dbus restart so many things: NetworkManagerDispatcher, avahi-daemon, NetworkManager, dhcdbd, hald, dbus |
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| 17:02.07 | Zippy2 | Decepticon: those all depend on dbus |
| 17:02.11 | cyzie | Zippy2, well, what's interesting there to find? icheck the column %m seem like the xfce taking about 32% of memory. can i say there is a memory leakage? |
| 17:02.23 | Zippy2 | cyzie: depends on the program |
| 17:02.30 | Gm4n | ah, cool |
| 17:02.32 | Zippy2 | maybe the program really is taking that much memory, without leaking |
| 17:02.34 | abrotman | !nspluginwrapper |
| 17:02.34 | dpkg | well, nspluginwrapper is a wrapper allowing you to use 32-bit browser plugins in a native x86_64 browser. It is known to work with Flash and a few others. It is in <contrib> on testing/unstable, while unofficial *stable/Etch* packages are available at http://www.dipconsultants.com/debian/ |
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| 17:03.00 | Gm4n | well, one level of redundency is plenty for me |
| 17:03.05 | toicontento | Decepticon, take a look at /etc/dbus-1/system.d |
| 17:03.11 | cyzie | Zippy2, again u are beating the bush, my question is simple, to check which application that has memory leakage in the system. |
| 17:03.20 | Zippy2 | Gm4n: it might take a while to rebuild a 18+TB array. so 2 is better |
| 17:03.35 | Gm4n | yeah, I'm going for a 2TB system (5x500gb) |
| 17:03.37 | Zippy2 | cyzie: find out how much memory it's supposed to use, then keep comparing it periodically |
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| 17:03.40 | Gm4n | it's in my price range :P |
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| 17:04.10 | Zippy2 | Gm4n: just remember, if your filesystem(s) on your raid array or damaged, everytihng is gone |
| 17:04.16 | Zippy2 | we're getting another nas to backup |
| 17:04.20 | cyzie | Zippy2, how do you mean? |
| 17:04.31 | Zippy2 | cyzie: i dont see what wasnt clear |
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| 17:04.35 | zinx | Zippy2: and that's why you don't use ricerrfs. |
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| 17:05.14 | Zippy2 | zinx: and thats why you learn to safely shut a computer that houses 26 hard drives |
| 17:05.21 | zinx | Zippy2: indeed |
| 17:05.37 | zinx | Zippy2: and put the thing on a well-maintained UPS |
| 17:05.42 | Zippy2 | zinx: we got one |
| 17:05.47 | cyzie | Zippy2, are you helping techinically or simply beating the bush? |
| 17:05.49 | Zippy2 | serial port linked |
| 17:05.49 | zinx | with *automatic* shutdown on power failure :) |
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| 17:05.59 | Zippy2 | cyzie: you didnt want a technical answer so i helped you the other way |
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| 17:06.06 | Zippy2 | zinx: 20% battery left, yep |
| 17:06.12 | xXCarpXx | i wanna download debian testing .... is the 1st cd enough? |
| 17:06.17 | Zippy2 | xXCarpXx: yes |
| 17:06.21 | xXCarpXx | thx |
| 17:06.24 | Zippy2 | xXCarpXx: if you want to download the rest interactively |
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| 17:06.36 | xXCarpXx | ? |
| 17:06.37 | Zippy2 | either download dvd/cds first or download when you are installing |
| 17:06.41 | xXCarpXx | omg |
| 17:06.50 | xXCarpXx | there isnt something like netinsall-cd in testing? |
| 17:06.54 | SamuraiDio | can i use the same amd64 kernel on a 386 or a amd64 user space? |
| 17:06.58 | Zippy2 | there is, but you eventually have to download hwat you want to install |
| 17:07.02 | amol | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:07.08 | Zippy2 | SamuraiDio: in order to use 64, you need a 64 bit kernel |
| 17:07.09 | felix_da_catz | how can I get libapache2-mod-auth-mysql installed on an etch box? |
| 17:07.11 | abrotman | xXCarpXx: use the netinst |
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| 17:07.17 | Zippy2 | amol: chmod +x that file |
| 17:07.24 | xXCarpXx | hmm yes |
| 17:07.25 | cyzie | well, i dont see my 1st question sint that clear. |
| 17:07.31 | cyzie | Zippy2, well, i dont see my 1st question sint that clear. |
| 17:07.41 | amol | Zippy2 : its permission are 777 |
| 17:07.43 | Zippy2 | cyzie: you have to analyze the program's memory usage |
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| 17:07.47 | Zippy2 | i have to go catch a train afk |
| 17:07.56 | SamuraiDio | Zippy2, sure, but can i use the same kernel on a 386 userspace, right? |
| 17:08.16 | Zippy2 | SamuraiDio: no, you need to boot off a 64bit kernel to use 64 bit apps |
| 17:08.37 | abrotman | SamuraiDio: you can use a 64bit kernel with 32bit userspace |
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| 17:08.47 | Zippy2 | news to me |
| 17:08.48 | Zippy2 | afk! |
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| 17:09.07 | amol | Zippy2:after doing chmod +x also same error is coming |
| 17:09.38 | abrotman | amol: ls -l /etc/rc2.d/S99test |
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| 17:09.46 | Zippy2 | amok: add #!/bin/bash to first line. afk |
| 17:10.12 | amol | Zippy2:ls -l /etc/rc2.d/S99amol |
| 17:10.13 | amol | lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 14 2007-12-19 22:32 /etc/rc2.d/S99amol |
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| 17:10.52 | amol | Zippy2 :ls -l /etc/rc2.d/S99test |
| 17:10.53 | amol | lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 14 2007-12-19 22:32 /etc/rc2.d/S99test |
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| 17:12.10 | Zippy2 | chmod +x wherever that file is pointing |
| 17:12.10 | Zippy2 | afk |
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| 17:13.05 | SamuraiDio | Zippy2, that was not my question... |
| 17:13.12 | mnmlito | anybody mind helping me? |
| 17:13.21 | asg | !ask |
| 17:13.22 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org |
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| 17:13.42 | mnmlito | i have installed etch from net install but i need a libc6 2.6.1 |
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| 17:13.57 | SamuraiDio | Zippy2, can i use, the very same kernel i'm using on my 64bit userspace, on a 32bit one? can i abrotman? |
| 17:14.23 | mnmlito | and 2.3.6 is the highest from 'stable' |
| 17:14.32 | SamuraiDio | abrotman, i mean, if it was compiled on the 64bit us |
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| 17:14.38 | SamuraiDio | ...by example |
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| 17:14.56 | abrotman | SamuraiDio: i think so .. you'll know quickly |
| 17:15.03 | mnmlito | any idea? |
| 17:15.04 | wols_ | SamuraiDio: you can use a 64bit kernel with a 32bit userland, yes |
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| 17:15.14 | wols_ | mnmlito: you will need testing at least |
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| 17:15.45 | mnmlito | wols_: so i just add is to my sources.lst and do an apt-get upgrade ? |
| 17:15.49 | Caelum | I have a raid-1 md array with a USB drive, for some reason the device for the usb drive (/dev/sdb) does not come up when mdadm runs in initrd. So I boot with only one of my drives in the array. Any way to fix that? |
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| 17:15.57 | wols_ | !tell mnmlito about etch->lenny |
| 17:16.02 | wols_ | !tell mnmlito about testing |
| 17:16.21 | mnmlito | tx |
| 17:16.26 | zinx | Caelum: the driver is probably not loaded at that point |
| 17:16.57 | Caelum | zinx: I tried adding MODULE commands to /etc/yaird/Default.cfg but it didn't help |
| 17:17.27 | abrotman | don't run raid off usb? :) |
| 17:17.27 | zinx | Caelum: you need to run update-<foo> after altering the configuration |
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| 17:17.35 | Caelum | zinx: of course |
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| 17:17.59 | zinx | i don't use yaird myself |
| 17:18.01 | Caelum | abrotman: it's one of those stupid tiny dells |
| 17:18.11 | Caelum | hmm, what's the alternative to yaird? |
| 17:18.14 | abrotman | could have left out the 'tiny' bit :) |
| 17:18.19 | Caelum | heh |
| 17:18.31 | zinx | i use initramfs |
| 17:18.33 | wols_ | Caelum: initramfs-tools |
| 17:18.37 | rahul | usb raid? |
| 17:18.49 | Caelum | yes, usb raid actually works, I've done it before :) |
| 17:18.52 | wols_ | rahul: has been done before. with usb floppies |
| 17:19.02 | rahul | wols_: I'm gonna strangle you... |
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| 17:19.05 | Caelum | wols_: I'll try that, thank you! |
| 17:19.15 | wols_ | rahul: why? |
| 17:19.25 | zinx | rahul: nothing like a good RAID-0 to increase the capacity of floppies |
| 17:19.31 | rahul | heh |
| 17:19.41 | wols_ | zinx: the article I read used a raid5 :) |
| 17:19.46 | Caelum | usb2.0 is fast enough to do raid-1 |
| 17:20.09 | rahul | ok, I'm going to retain what sanity I have left by sneaking out of here |
| 17:20.29 | bahadunn | raid sucks |
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| 17:21.40 | Caelum | oh, I had yaird installed but it was actually using initramfs-tools, doh... |
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| 17:22.56 | wols_ | Caelum: raid is no backup |
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| 17:24.01 | Caelum | wols_: sure, but it's better than nothing :) |
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| 17:24.46 | toicontento | Caelum, usb2 is too slow for hard diskt, seriously |
| 17:25.56 | zinx | maybe ok for slow hard drives, but it's probably going to top out at 40MB/s, whereas i think current drives can pull 80MB/s fairly easily |
| 17:26.28 | tralala | I haven't seen it going over 20MB/s |
| 17:26.55 | zinx | you've got a crappy enclosure/hd then :P |
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| 17:27.26 | zinx | or you're having to seek a lot |
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| 17:27.42 | Caelum | 80mb/s consistently, or burst? |
| 17:27.50 | zinx | that 80MB/s figure is assuming completely sequential reads |
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| 17:28.18 | wols_ | Caelum: some time ago they did ~70MB/s sustained read |
| 17:28.24 | zinx | and a SATA 3.0 link |
| 17:28.28 | wols_ | so 80MB/s should be possible now |
| 17:28.49 | wols_ | zinx: pray tell what is SATA 3.0? |
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| 17:29.30 | zinx | SATA 3.0Gbps, the "SATA2" name is deprecated afaik |
| 17:30.28 | grendal_prime | this is kinda funny...i mean i take this as the system just protecting itself..but we are experiencing this with our debian systems running on vmware. http://kb.vmware.com/selfservice/microsites/search.do?cmd=displayKC&externalId=51306 |
| 17:31.08 | grendal_prime | im trying to find the debianized patch for that problem..anyone else run into that on a vmware system with etch? |
| 17:31.31 | grendal_prime | summary of the problem is...VMware has uncovered a problem with RHEL4 U3, RHEL4 U4, SLES9 SP3, and SLES10 virtual machines running on SAN or iSCSI storage. File systems could become read-only in the event of busy I/O retry or path failover. |
| 17:32.01 | zinx | /dev/sdb: Timing buffered disk reads: 240 MB in 3.02 seconds = 79.56 MB/sec <- 7200RPM SATA 3.0Gbps drive |
| 17:32.07 | wols_ | vmware probably doesn't support debian |
| 17:32.27 | grendal_prime | ya it doesnt |
| 17:32.40 | wols_ | so it's not funny be to be expected |
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| 17:33.40 | grendal_prime | the thing is though redhat issued a patch..no vmware...so it seems to be something that can be fixed on the distro not the vm server |
| 17:34.04 | kerute | hello |
| 17:34.23 | Maulkin | grendal_prime: you can try building it yourself |
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| 17:34.36 | grendal_prime | thats what im wondering about |
| 17:34.45 | Caelum | zinx: bonnie? |
| 17:34.47 | kerute | anybody managed to format a CF in ext3 ? |
| 17:34.51 | grendal_prime | i could get the rpm from...vmware for the rh system... |
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| 17:35.02 | zinx | Caelum: hdparm -t |
| 17:35.18 | wols_ | grendal_prime: different kernel? |
| 17:35.26 | grendal_prime | but..well im not that good at revers compileing things...if thats the right phrase |
| 17:35.36 | grendal_prime | im running stable.. |
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| 17:35.44 | wols_ | grendal_prime: RH releases source too usually |
| 17:35.45 | Maulkin | grendal_prime: http://ftpsite.vmware.com/download/mptsource/mptscsi-gosd.tar.gz |
| 17:35.56 | Maulkin | That's the source |
| 17:36.18 | grendal_prime | sooo that could be an issue..i cant find anything ...bitchen... |
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| 17:38.31 | karrotx | what service runs telnet? |
| 17:38.34 | karrotx | xinetd? |
| 17:38.45 | kerute | if noone could you tell me where i could ask ? |
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| 17:40.03 | tralala | kerute, yes, I did |
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| 17:40.40 | jaggz- | how can I make the pkg system forget that I tried up upgrade python2.4? It didn't actually install it, but I want it to forget that I tried. if I try to -r it, it wants to delete a WHOLE bunch of dependencies (none of which did I attempt to upgrade) |
| 17:40.46 | kerute | tralala: mine seems to accept ext2 but not ext3 |
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| 17:41.27 | tralala | kerute, do you have an error message? |
| 17:42.06 | kerute | nope mkfs freeze |
| 17:42.13 | tralala | jaggz-, uninstall using dpkg |
| 17:42.43 | grendal_prime | jaggz-: use aptitude |
| 17:42.56 | tralala | kerute, use -v |
| 17:43.10 | grendal_prime | and ...or..that...the other thing you could do is tell aptitude to forget pending actions |
| 17:43.21 | kerute | i didnt think about it how stupid :) |
| 17:43.23 | kerute | brb |
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| 17:44.04 | grendal_prime | i dont know what it does with apt-get to forget that..but it seems to work..it may also break your install..who the fk knows |
| 17:44.11 | karrotx | in debian what service runs telnet? |
| 17:44.15 | felix_da_catz | I am getting no apache MPM package installed when I try to start apache. I thought I installed prefork. Does that package count? |
| 17:44.17 | karrotx | i'm having a hard time finding this out? |
| 17:44.19 | karrotx | what starts it? |
| 17:44.25 | grendal_prime | telnet |
| 17:44.28 | wols_ | karrotx: in.telnetd |
| 17:44.32 | blubberdiblub | jaggz-: find out what the old version was and have apt-get or aptitude install exactly that version |
| 17:44.34 | grendal_prime | i would think...or..ya |
| 17:44.36 | wols_ | it's started via inetd |
| 17:44.41 | karrotx | ah |
| 17:44.42 | karrotx | thanks |
| 17:44.46 | tralala | is there a gpl'd java yet? |
| 17:44.56 | wols_ | tralala: no |
| 17:45.25 | jaggz- | nothing's working.. aptitude wants to delete a billion packages |
| 17:45.27 | themill | tralala: almost. see the icedtea project |
| 17:45.36 | asg | !tel gukk_devel-gone about away |
| 17:45.39 | jaggz- | uninstall.. well I don't have the original version |
| 17:45.45 | asg | bugger |
| 17:45.49 | asg | !tell gukk_devel-gone about away |
| 17:45.52 | jaggz- | I wish I just had the original version's .deb, which doesn't seem to be available |
| 17:45.53 | wols_ | jaggz-: nobody said you'd need it |
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| 17:46.01 | wols_ | !away | gukk_devel-gone |
| 17:46.01 | dpkg | | gukk_devel-gone: No one cares if you are away. NO ONE! Read http://sackheads.org/~bnaylor/spew/away_msgs.html |
| 17:46.08 | jaggz- | wols, sorry, responding to the others |
| 17:46.13 | jaggz- | looking for python2.4 source now |
| 17:46.23 | blubberdiblub | jaggz-: like: aptitude install yourpackagename=oldversion |
| 17:46.25 | wols_ | jaggz-: the source for the package |
| 17:47.00 | jaggz- | http://old-releases.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/hoary/main/source/ |
| 17:47.52 | wols_ | jaggz-: use the proper repository, and apt-get source |
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| 17:48.46 | jaggz- | Bd 2.4.2-1ubuntu0.2 pd 2.4.1-0 |
| 17:49.05 | wols_ | jaggz-: you are in the wrong channel if you haven't noticed |
| 17:49.14 | jaggz- | oh, damn. |
| 17:49.22 | jaggz- | no, thought I was still talking in #ubuntu |
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| 17:49.31 | wols_ | better go back there |
| 17:49.36 | jaggz- | came in here just to ask specifics on dpkg |
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| 17:49.59 | jaggz- | I *am* still asking those specifics, but I think I have enough to go on now, and I appreciate the help. |
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| 17:50.19 | wols_ | that doesn't matter. we will not support ubuntu dpkg either. please respect that in the future. you doN't have any business in here unless you actually run ubuntu |
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| 17:50.27 | wols_ | erm, actually run debian of course |
| 17:50.28 | Ronin | wols_: debian |
| 17:50.46 | jaggz- | ubuntu dpkg is not debian dpkg?? |
| 17:50.54 | jelly-home | In Soviet Africa, ubuntu runs YOU |
| 17:50.54 | wols_ | no |
| 17:50.57 | kerute | tralala: i dont know why, after trying many times now it worked ... |
| 17:51.00 | Caelum | wols_: got it working. It seems my solution was to use either break=mount (and wait for usb device to come up, because it's not up as soon as the module is loaded) or rootdelay=XX, which I haven't tried yet |
| 17:51.04 | jaggz- | I guess it's better to not support any of it since they put different patches in, etc. |
| 17:51.05 | kerute | thanks :) |
| 17:51.11 | tralala | kerute, you're welcome |
| 17:51.21 | wols_ | jaggz-: we don't care here about any prohblem you have with ubuntu. none whatsoever. we will happily help if and only if you run debian |
| 17:51.37 | jaggz- | np, I understand |
| 17:52.25 | jaggz- | I chose ubuntu because of my like for debian, but ubuntu was the only thing which provided the necessary patches at the time to support my architecture, without me gathering those patches and handling it all myself |
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| 17:53.12 | jaggz- | it might have only been the wireless not included in the kernel.. but I really didn't feel like compiling up my own kernel at the time. |
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| 17:53.39 | wols_ | jaggz-: it's not hard :) |
| 17:53.44 | wols_ | and there are oftn backports |
| 17:54.04 | jaggz- | I've done it for many years, I know.. but I had just moved and had to get up and running asap at the time :) |
| 17:54.25 | jaggz- | actually, I was wondering what the benefits were, when I install an os on this system, to going with debian instead of ubuntu |
| 17:54.47 | jaggz- | aside from channel support issues :) |
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| 17:55.39 | themill | stability, ability to upgrade without a brown paper bag... |
| 17:55.43 | tralala | usually you don't need to compile a kernel to get out-of-tree wireless running |
| 17:55.52 | protoloco | http://img140.imageshack.us/my.php?image=cactiiiieth0mk7.jpg <-- what does it means the high outbound ? |
| 17:56.02 | jaggz- | tralala, 2 1/2 years ago it didn't have my thinkpad drivers.. but no matter at this point |
| 17:56.49 | jaggz- | actually, at the time many of the thinkpad features weren't included with the kernel.. I hope that's changed but I've not grabbed a new kernel since. |
| 17:56.55 | tralala | sarge didn't have my wireless driver as well. I compiled it myself (the driver, not the kernel) |
| 17:57.02 | jaggz- | or maybe I upgraded once or twice, *shrug* |
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| 17:58.10 | jaggz- | protoloco, what's on that machine? |
| 17:58.54 | grendal_prime | i cant find a howto on compiling pkgs...damn im moron today.. |
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| 17:59.10 | jaggz- | looks like some big transfers were done? |
| 17:59.30 | abrotman | !apt-build |
| 17:59.30 | dpkg | from memory, apt-build is an apt-get front-end for recompiling packages; http://julien.danjou.info/article-apt-build.html . Warning -- this program will not optimize your packages for you as advertised; the gcc O flags and friends that you specify are not even parsed properly. In a breath, don't bother with it, because apt-get source/build-dep is far more useful. |
| 17:59.35 | jaggz- | over about an hour of time :) |
| 17:59.47 | grendal_prime | thanks |
| 17:59.48 | grendal_prime | grrrr |
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| 17:59.54 | H4ZE | how I change the password of root? |
| 17:59.57 | H4ZE | debian system |
| 18:00.02 | aleksanteri | H4ZE, su -c "passwd" |
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| 18:01.16 | jaggz- | I don't know what it means to go up to 15M .. cpu also goes up -- possibly reflecting the constant activity.. but the peaks aren't much more than twice the normal peaks.. that might correspond to a large file transfer |
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| 18:02.41 | hdevalence | when I choose desktop environment on the netinst cd, will it use KDE or gnome? |
| 18:02.47 | abrotman | gnome |
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| 18:03.35 | itchi | How can i check if i have a sata1 or a sata2 controller? |
| 18:03.37 | themill | hdevalence: you can not worry about selecting that and then "aptitude install kde xserver-xorg" later (I think that's about all you need) |
| 18:03.43 | abrotman | itchi: lspci ? |
| 18:03.48 | jelly-home | itchi: read the specs? |
| 18:03.54 | itchi | abrotman: It dont's say it |
| 18:04.04 | abrotman | itchi: lspci + google |
| 18:04.05 | itchi | jelly-home: Well, if i may have these ... ;-) |
| 18:04.23 | itchi | abrotman: hhm, yeah, i though there was a way of |
| 18:04.29 | abrotman | !whats my hardware |
| 18:04.29 | dpkg | You can use lspci, lsusb, lsscsi, lspcmcia, lshal, hwinfo, dmidecode, and/or lshw to find out what kind of hardware your machine might have, or or you could crack the lid and look inside ... oooh, shiny! |
| 18:04.34 | abrotman | dmesg might say |
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| 18:05.24 | itchi | abrotman: Well it doesn't. Or maybe did i not look right |
| 18:05.27 | jelly-home | lshw rules |
| 18:05.29 | hdevalence | is there a debian bots channel? |
| 18:05.41 | itchi | jelly-home: Yeah that may be the toy i need right now |
| 18:05.47 | stew | hdevalence: #debian-bots |
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| 18:07.20 | hdevalence | and what does selecting 'laptop' do? |
| 18:07.21 | jelly-home | itchi: you might still have to find the specs online once you figure out the real name of the controller (or the motherboard) |
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| 18:08.07 | itchi | jelly-home: I have it i think, i may google it now |
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| 18:09.49 | themill | hdevalence: the release notes should tell you all about that. It will include suspend-to-disk things and powersave stuff |
| 18:10.19 | itchi | BTW, is SATA2 only available as pci-express? |
| 18:10.36 | CanDoo | i'm attempting to setup my nvidia GeForce FX 5200 on my linux machine and Xwindows i was wondering if thier debian packages for this or do i absolutely have to download the drivers and configuration tools from the nvidia website? |
| 18:10.59 | itchi | CanDoo: Depend if you like to break your toy or not |
| 18:11.01 | abrotman | itchi: #hardware |
| 18:11.09 | itchi | abrotman: Yeah, sorry :-p |
| 18:11.10 | jelly-home | !tell CanDoo about nvidia |
| 18:11.10 | CanDoo | itchi, please explain |
| 18:11.20 | CanDoo | thank you |
| 18:13.16 | abrotman | !nvidia one-liner |
| 18:13.16 | dpkg | somebody said nvidia one-liner was apt-get install nvidia-kernel-2.6-`uname -r | sed 's,.*-,,g'` nvidia-settings nvidia-glx && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg (if you're on amd64, also install nvidia-glx-ia32. Using sarge? Ask me about <nvidia_sarge>. Homegrown or kernel from testing/sid: <nvidia_post_etch>. If you're using a Geforce2 or older: <nvidia_legacy>. |
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| 18:14.41 | protoloco | jaggz- a social network. |
| 18:14.54 | protoloco | jaggz-, like 3,000 users per day |
| 18:15.55 | helo | i have about 20GB that i want to transfer to a remote server, but i can only upload at 50KB/s... i do have a few other internet accounts i could tap at friends' houses, etc... is bittorrent the best tool to get it out there (if i bring hard copies to each internet connection i have access to)? |
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| 18:16.38 | CanDoo | well so much for nvidia on my setup |
| 18:16.41 | helo | maybe i should just encrypt, burn to dvds, and overnight... |
| 18:16.43 | CanDoo | seeing as i'm in testing |
| 18:17.07 | mavhc | helo: that doesn't scale though, I used bt to move 7GB files around like that |
| 18:17.10 | jaggz- | protoloco, I'd think it would be a spider sucking up things, except the inbound traffic would move up too |
| 18:17.20 | peterrooney | helo: that sounds like a workable solution, though the time required to do it might be more than burning a few DVDs or just doing a straight download. |
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| 18:17.37 | KyleS-work | He said remote server though |
| 18:17.46 | jaggz- | helo, "never underestimate the bandwidth of a truckload of tapes" |
| 18:17.48 | KyleS-work | And his upload is only 50k |
| 18:17.52 | helo | yeah heh |
| 18:17.58 | KyleS-work | and it is 20G |
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| 18:18.20 | jaggz- | some non-lossy fractal compression to get that all into 10 bytes of space might work. |
| 18:18.32 | jaggz- | am I an idealist? |
| 18:19.26 | asg | just a little ahead of your time |
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| 18:19.28 | lewis | if you're running a backup job with 'Append to media, overwrite if no appendable media is available', what happens when you fill up the tape half-way through the backup? |
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| 18:19.51 | peterrooney | helo: 20 * 1024 * 1024 / 50 > 419430 ; 419430 / 3600 = 116 hours. |
| 18:19.54 | __rcomalta___ | any one had a windows 2003 server windows and format from his server |
| 18:19.55 | jaggz- | I mean, 256^10 is a large combination -- probably more than the number of files in existence on earth right |
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| 18:21.18 | Ronin | __rcomalta___: pardon? |
| 18:21.22 | Azar | __rcomalta___: I guess most of us here formatted all disk and installed Debian over it |
| 18:21.48 | jaggz- | it'd be 5 dvd's right? |
| 18:23.14 | peterrooney | helo: if the upload is limited to 50k, and you can't drive/bike to the remote, then yes, you'll need other servers to help upload |
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| 18:23.42 | gonzaloaf | offtopic, HiI'm using glade-3 to make gtk guis to use with python, I have made a window, but I cant find its 'destroy' signal, can you give me any clue to do that? |
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| 18:23.58 | abrotman | gonzaloaf: irc.gnome.org .. look for a glade channel there |
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| 18:24.15 | gonzaloaf | thanks |
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| 18:24.54 | Azar | hello honorable abrotman :) |
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| 18:25.01 | abrotman | hi |
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| 18:28.45 | Ramonskie | hello i want to reconfigure php5 with with-jpeg-dir is there a quick and painless way?? |
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| 18:30.01 | Azar | the "quick and the painless" leads to deprecation of the brain: practice brain fitness - take on challenges and your brain will stay fresh and young forever |
| 18:30.39 | aleksanteri | Ramonskie, yep, just get the sources and recompile it |
| 18:30.41 | simonrvn | s,forever,until you die, |
| 18:30.53 | Ramonskie | lol your right but it would be nice if i on't have to invent the weel again |
| 18:31.10 | karmatro1ic | Ramonskie: you invented the wheel? |
| 18:31.12 | simonrvn | "you're" "wheel" |
| 18:31.16 | Azar | yes indeed: why not upgrade the brain once in a while and stay with an "obsolete" brain version? |
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| 18:31.49 | helo | i could reinvent the wheel in a matter of HOURS |
| 18:31.52 | helo | that's nothing |
| 18:31.55 | gamag | how can I install all the vim colorschemes/themes using aptitude? |
| 18:31.58 | Ramonskie | well owkay recompling it is |
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| 18:35.49 | fas3r | i need your help with tcpdump ... :s i use tcpdump .. but i'm on my server with ssh .. and i don't see anything because they are many request for ssh ... if someone have idea ... |
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| 18:38.27 | peterrooney | fas3r: try adding a filter for the machine you're shelling in from |
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| 18:39.01 | abrotman | !tell Ramonskie about sources |
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| 18:39.22 | abrotman | !tell Ramonskie about source |
| 18:39.23 | abrotman | duh |
| 18:39.30 | fas3r | peterrooney: it's possible to add filter on tcpdump ? . ok i go to see on google thank ;) |
| 18:40.08 | Caelum | so whenever you mount only one partition of a raid-1 volume, then mount both, it has to run a full recovery... that's pretty lame |
| 18:40.57 | hark | gamag: you use the vim-addon-manager for that .. or just get it directly from the site |
| 18:41.04 | peterrooney | fas3r: yes, and the manpage covers it under 'expressions' |
| 18:42.58 | fas3r | ha i have test with it |
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| 18:46.27 | downhillgames | during install it asks what I want to do with my network interfaces, is there a way to bring up a menu/util using dpkg-reconfigure or can somebody tell me a CLI-only utility to do this? |
| 18:46.35 | downhillgames | I'm sorry, I'm sort of a debian noob |
| 18:46.43 | fas3r | but the problematic is i need to see all request not just on one proto or port ... :s |
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| 18:47.47 | peterrooney | fas3r: most tcpdump filters have a 'not' option |
| 18:47.50 | DrMitch | so after a fresh install, anytime i there is a lot of disk activity, my computer freezes (100% frozen- mouse doesn't move, numlocks doesn't even turn on) anyone know what could be causing this? |
| 18:47.51 | downhillgames | I ran `apt-cache search network | less` but I don't see much of anything that I am looking for :S |
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| 18:48.09 | downhillgames | DrMitch; ATi card? |
| 18:48.11 | lunitik | downhillgames: A CLI tool to configure interfaces? vi /etc/network/interfaces? |
| 18:48.13 | DrMitch | nope |
| 18:48.16 | DrMitch | nvidia |
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| 18:48.21 | downhillgames | nevermind me, then |
| 18:48.37 | icon | Doesn't Debian support Firewire? |
| 18:48.44 | downhillgames | lunitik; I'm asking for a utility :) (I know I can edit it all manually) |
| 18:48.49 | downhillgames | just asking -- not demanding hehe |
| 18:49.00 | downhillgames | *cough* nano -w *cough* :) |
| 18:49.05 | peterrooney | DrMitch: sar and iostat might tell more |
| 18:49.10 | icon | I get: firewire_core:phy config: card0, new root: ffc1, gap-config=5 |
| 18:49.26 | icon | It basically kills the Linux kernel. |
| 18:49.42 | DrMitch | i'll look into them |
| 18:49.44 | DrMitch | thanks |
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| 18:50.13 | icon | FireWire only exists for years... I supposed Linux would not lag for that long. |
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| 18:51.09 | abrotman | yes .. debian supports firewire |
| 18:51.30 | lunitik | icon: Apple doesn't even support FireWire anymore... there is support in the kernel though... |
| 18:51.39 | lunitik | (Apple created FireWire) |
| 18:51.44 | downhillgames | anybody? heh |
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| 18:52.05 | lunitik | downhillgames: No body uses a CLI tool to configure their network :/ |
| 18:52.07 | abrotman | it's called netenv or net-select or something like that |
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| 18:52.24 | downhillgames | anybody _helpful_? :) |
| 18:52.45 | themill | downhillgames: if you're using just dhcp then use networkmanager... |
| 18:52.56 | downhillgames | that's just it, I don't want to use DHCP |
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| 18:53.16 | themill | downhillgames: dpkg-reconfigure world-view |
| 18:53.37 | abrotman | downhillgames: man 5 interfaces .. it's easy to understand |
| 18:53.39 | themill | :) there's no other way than editing /e/n/interfaces by hand |
| 18:53.43 | icon | lunitik: if there's "support", it clearly is broken. |
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| 18:53.46 | downhillgames | well blah |
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| 18:53.50 | abrotman | !info netenv etch |
| 18:53.54 | DexterF | hi |
| 18:53.55 | dpkg | netenv: (Configure your system for different network environments), section admin, is extra. Version: 0.94.3-21 (etch), Packaged size: 72 kB, Installed size: 264 kB |
| 18:54.01 | abrotman | oh .. not quite .. oh well |
| 18:54.09 | downhillgames | thanks anyway |
| 18:54.15 | downhillgames | I'll just edit it manually, then |
| 18:54.18 | themill | downhillgames: if you're looking for multiple configs, then guessnet is good too |
| 18:54.26 | eth01 | console-common? |
| 18:54.31 | DexterF | how do I prevent apt(itude) from asking me to upgrade the kernel packages? got I custom kernel I'd like to stick with. |
| 18:54.44 | lunitik | !tell DexterF about hold |
| 18:54.49 | themill | Why isn't there a dpkg-reconfigure for the network settings that re-runs the initial network setup from the installer? |
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| 18:54.59 | abrotman | themill: write one! |
| 18:55.23 | themill | abrotman: of course... I'd just always assumed that there was one. Seems so... obvious... |
| 18:55.45 | Ramonskie | just a stupid question but do i need to uninstall my old php5 before iám going to recompile a new version |
| 18:56.01 | DexterF | lunitik: thanks |
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| 18:56.25 | abrotman | hi |
| 18:56.28 | abrotman | or bye |
| 18:56.28 | downhillgames | most helpful, ty : |
| 18:56.29 | abrotman | not sure which |
| 18:56.30 | downhillgames | er :) |
| 18:56.37 | themill | Ramonskie: why do you want to recompile php5? |
| 18:56.41 | lunitik | DexterF: Or just remove the linux-2.6* package (not the specific kernel version, the meta packages...) |
| 18:57.18 | downhillgames | abrotman; it is a nice little man page there... descriptive but to the point... thanks :D |
| 18:57.39 | Ramonskie | i need it with with-jpeg-dir support |
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| 18:59.55 | themill | Ramonskie: have you looked at the php5-gd package? |
| 19:00.17 | Ramonskie | yes |
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| 19:00.54 | Ramonskie | themill:: yes |
| 19:00.57 | themill | And can you please tell me what it is lacking? |
| 19:01.10 | abrotman | free beer |
| 19:01.25 | downhillgames | I'd rather have free rum :) |
| 19:01.57 | Ramonskie | i want to use the function "imagecreatefromjpeg" but it is not default supported in the php5 that debian uses |
| 19:02.17 | eth01 | !beer |
| 19:02.17 | dpkg | somebody said beer was liquid gold mate |
| 19:03.34 | Ramonskie | themill:: it was supported in php4 though :( |
| 19:03.50 | jelly-home | Ramonskie: yeah, debian maintainer chose to use upstream GD instead of the one that comes bundled with PHP. |
| 19:04.33 | Ramonskie | so what is the best thing to do then?? |
| 19:04.38 | themill | Ramonskie: php5 under etch appears to support that on my machine. |
| 19:05.01 | Ramonskie | themill: i use php5 under etch |
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| 19:05.13 | Vladimir | hello |
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| 19:05.20 | Ramonskie | and i dont see jpeg support in phpinfo |
| 19:05.20 | jelly-home | Ramonskie: dpkg -l libc6 libapache2-mod-php5 | tail -2 ? |
| 19:05.23 | Seb | hrm, upgradex org to the latest sid version, and now my external USB mouse is acting up: xev seems to think that the keycodes it sends are ok, but the wheel doesn't do anything anyway :\ Anyone has any idea ? |
| 19:05.23 | Vladimir | how i can disable auto ip renew? |
| 19:05.52 | Ramonskie | jelly-home: ii libapache2-mod-php5 5.2.0-8+etch7 server-side, HTML-embedded scripting language (apache 2 module) |
| 19:05.52 | Ramonskie | ii libc6 2.3.6.ds1-13etch2 GNU C Library: Shared libraries |
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| 19:06.26 | jelly-home | Ramonskie: that's etch all right. is gd extension installed and enabled? |
| 19:06.27 | fas3r | i have do this: iptables -t nat -A PREROUTING -p tcp -d 192.168.2.1 --dport 80 -j DNAT --to-destination 192.168.2.5:80 (192.168.2.1 is the first server and 192.168.2.5 is the second server) i want to redirect all request to 192.168.2.1 to 192.168.2.5 .. i think i have no error. the problem is i see the request and the redirection on 192.168.2.1 with tcpdump, on 192.168.2.5 i see the... |
| 19:06.28 | fas3r | ...request and the response but the response don't arrive on my client ... someone have idea ? i need to add SNAT rules ? |
| 19:06.38 | themill | Ramonskie: php5 + php5-gd is all that I have installed to enable that support. And it works fine. Perhaps try just that snippet from the command line. Or check your php5/conf.d and phpinfo() to make sure the gd extension is enabled. |
| 19:06.48 | themill | Ramonskie: I've got to go now though... good luck! |
| 19:07.14 | Ramonskie | themill: gdsupport is enabeld |
| 19:07.17 | jelly-home | fas3r: #iptables? #netfilter? |
| 19:07.51 | Ramonskie | themill": thanks for the help so far |
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| 19:08.07 | fas3r | jelly-home: i haven't ask on but i start here .... :) |
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| 19:12.18 | plb | in a .properties file how does one define an array? |
| 19:12.31 | rahul | what is a .properties file? |
| 19:12.54 | plb | a file using ResourceBundle |
| 19:12.56 | blubberdiblub | fas3r: do the responses of .5 go to .1 as nexthop? if not, you probably need SNAT as well, so the .5 sends its responses back the same way and the source address of the response gets correctly rewritten to .1 |
| 19:13.01 | plb | er...for using |
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| 19:13.02 | rahul | plb: huh? |
| 19:13.15 | rahul | what package is this for? |
| 19:13.27 | plb | er... wrong chan :-P heh |
| 19:13.32 | plb | I click the wrong tab :-P |
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| 19:14.24 | rahul | ok :) |
| 19:14.30 | Vladimir | how i can disable auto ip renew? |
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| 19:14.35 | plb | silly debian channel not able to answer Java dev questions :-P |
| 19:14.41 | CryptoMole | hi all |
| 19:16.21 | CryptoMole | I have debian etch (stable) 4.0r1, can I cgange my sources, to lenny sid and do dist-upgrade |
| 19:16.44 | CryptoMole | or do I need to install new from testing to get sid? |
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| 19:17.00 | fas3r | blubberdiblub: http://pastebin.com/m70bd994b i have pastebin the tcpdump .. but i think the request from 192.168.2.5 wasn't send on 192.168.2.1 ... |
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| 19:17.34 | taime1 | when i 'convert file.eps file.svg' it tells me that file.svg doesnt exist... wtf? |
| 19:18.12 | CryptoMole | where did you put the new file? |
| 19:18.35 | taime1 | same directory |
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| 19:19.42 | CryptoMole | if i convert my mp3 to ogg.vorbis it goes to /home |
| 19:19.50 | taime1 | makes no sense to me.. im not trying to modify file.svg... im trying to create it |
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| 19:20.22 | blubberdiblub | fas3r: well, i'd say either fix your routing, so the responses of .5 go through .1 automatically, or add an SNAT rule, so the source address gets rewritten to .1 |
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| 19:20.53 | fas3r | blubberdiblub: ok |
| 19:20.59 | CryptoMole | what is the best way to upgradeto sid from etch? |
| 19:21.18 | streuner | !+tell CryptoMole -about sid faq |
| 19:21.19 | dpkg | told CryptoMole about sid faq. |
| 19:21.20 | fas3r | blubberdiblub: but the SNAT rules i need to add on 192.168.2.1 |
| 19:21.25 | Tramp | fas3r: It is exactly as blubberdiblubs sais. You have to route the .5 via .1. This setup is messy. |
| 19:21.47 | hdevalence__ | on installing xserver-xorg, I get a message about 'driver not set' and it tells me to run dpkg-reconfigure |
| 19:21.50 | blubberdiblub | fas3r: yes. in the postrouting chain of the nat table |
| 19:21.56 | streuner | CryptoMole: if you need to ask, just use etch/stable with <backports> |
| 19:22.04 | hdevalence__ | but when I do, I get the same error afterwards |
| 19:22.12 | Vladimir | how i can disable auto ip renew? |
| 19:22.26 | fas3r | blubberdiblub: thank ... and all too ^^ |
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| 19:22.54 | CryptoMole | i like sid and since when is it wrong to ask? |
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| 19:23.27 | CryptoMole | 3 + yrs i been on debian dont mean i know it all. |
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| 19:23.42 | streuner | Its not wrong to ask, we only try to give you advice what you should do, if you need to shoot into your foot, just do it |
| 19:24.16 | smacnay | CryptoMole: It isn't wrong to ask but the potential pitfalls of upgrading make it a proposition only for those experienced enough to know how to unbreak potential massive breaks. |
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| 19:25.06 | smacnay | CryptoMole: years ago I installed sid and didn't know how to unbreak a huge glitch... I learned the hard way and now happily run "testing" even though it isn't beeding edge. |
| 19:25.10 | CryptoMole | i'm used to things not working in sid |
| 19:25.40 | CryptoMole | i need a ati driver its in sid |
| 19:26.18 | smacnay | CryptoMole: I am not sure if it is as simple as swapping out the "testing" or "etch" occurences in your /etc/apt/sources.list file or if there is more to it. See if you can pin that driver. Ask dpkg about pinning. |
| 19:26.36 | streuner | Dont use pinning |
| 19:26.41 | streuner | !bobbitt |
| 19:26.42 | dpkg | Remember Lorena Bobbitt? Remember what she did to her husband's woody? Well, when you install binary packages from different branches onto your woody (...sarge, etch), you get the same result. Same goes for Sarge, Etch, and any other debian system, "debian based distro", or the fire that is <rpm>, <alien>, etc. |
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| 19:27.26 | smacnay | streuner: ah, thanks - I wasn't aware of issues with pinning as I have not done it in some time. |
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| 19:27.37 | smacnay | CryptoMole: there you have it. |
| 19:27.55 | CryptoMole | install new i guess |
| 19:28.05 | CryptoMole | from lenny |
| 19:28.09 | streuner | you better up with etch/stable and backport, lenny/testing |
| 19:28.27 | smacnay | or upgrade by altering your /etc/apt/sources.list file 9back your data up first and try that). |
| 19:28.38 | Tramp | fas3r: hmm. Doing this via SNAT may mess up your arp-tables, at least on the ~2.10. Be warned that if you see weird stuff happening, this may be your problem |
| 19:28.53 | smacnay | CryptoMole: listen to streuner |
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| 19:29.41 | CryptoMole | that was my question, alter my sources.list i have two ways of doing it |
| 19:29.48 | streuner | no |
| 19:29.57 | streuner | you should read <sid FAQ> first |
| 19:30.23 | CryptoMole | ok |
| 19:30.51 | fas3r | Tramp: but in case i don't know the ip source for the SNAT rules ... what i need to write ? 0.0.0.0 ? |
| 19:31.15 | CryptoMole | thanks |
| 19:31.36 | helo | is it possible to resume a scp transfer if it is interrupted? |
| 19:32.01 | rahul | helo: rsync is better for that |
| 19:32.19 | rahul | not sure if scp will do that easily... |
| 19:32.33 | helo | i guess i could look at the size of the destination file, and retransmit the remaining chunk of the file, then concatenate manually |
| 19:32.34 | CryptoMole | ive never come to #Debian because sid broke haha |
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| 19:32.43 | helo | i doubt i'd need to do that more than once |
| 19:32.47 | Vladimir | how i can disable auto ip renew? |
| 19:32.47 | click170 | helo: use rsync |
| 19:32.47 | Vladimir | how i can disable auto ip renew? |
| 19:32.56 | Vladimir | ohh, sorry for duplication |
| 19:33.03 | valdyn | Vladimir: get a different isp? |
| 19:33.12 | valdyn | Vladimir: what is "auto ip renew" supposed to be? |
| 19:33.16 | blubberdiblub | fas3r: erm, the original ip source address is that of the clients you will allow doing that, and the source you will need to rewrite it to is .1, if that helps |
| 19:33.31 | dimir | false alarm highlights again |
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| 19:33.43 | helo | click170: unfortunately, ssh is the only port i can use... can i use rsync over ssh easily? |
| 19:33.50 | valdyn | helo: yes |
| 19:33.57 | abrotman | man rsync .. it has examples |
| 19:34.02 | valdyn | helo: that's the preferred method for rsync actually |
| 19:34.02 | navis | hi all, what would make etch's debian-installer not see the HD in a xen full virtualization (hvm) environment ? |
| 19:34.30 | blubberdiblub | fas3r: 192.168.2.1, that is |
| 19:35.23 | streuner | "Ribery time" :-) |
| 19:36.00 | Vladimir | valdyn, i have ubuntu |
| 19:36.02 | Vladimir | and router |
| 19:36.14 | Vladimir | ubuntu renew ip every 12 hours |
| 19:36.17 | Vladimir | and it changing |
| 19:36.19 | valdyn | Vladimir: that doesnt answer my question |
| 19:36.21 | Vladimir | ip adres |
| 19:36.22 | navis | I have xen on etch, and am trying to install etch in an hvm guest |
| 19:36.27 | Vladimir | *address |
| 19:36.28 | xand | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:36.28 | valdyn | Vladimir: but it tells me that you are in the wrong channel |
| 19:36.37 | Tramp | blubberdiblub: ?? I'd think the original source of the response (which he wants to rewrite) is the "new" server, i.e. the .5 - not the client (which was the source of the request) |
| 19:36.46 | navis | d-i starts, up to the point where it should find the hd |
| 19:36.46 | valdyn | Vladimir: this is more likely your internet service provider that disconnects you ever somany hours |
| 19:36.56 | navis | but it doesn't find anything |
| 19:37.01 | fas3r | blubberdiblub: this : " iptables -t nat -A POSTROUTING -p tcp -d 192.168.2.5 --dport 80 -j DNAT --to-source 192.168.2.1:80 " ? :s |
| 19:37.07 | Vladimir | valdyn, i have router. |
| 19:37.10 | valdyn | Vladimir: if you really mean that the ip changes |
| 19:37.10 | navis | and indeed the kernel only sees the virtual cdrom |
| 19:37.24 | valdyn | Vladimir: renewal of dhcp leases should ge alot more often |
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| 19:38.11 | valdyn | Vladimir: i can hardly debug your router btw, if that router is changing ips ever so often |
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| 19:38.20 | blubberdiblub | Tramp: no, the idea is the following: DNAT rewrites the destip to 192.168.2.5 so it goes out there, and SNET rewrites the sourceip to 192.168.2.1 to make it look like it came from the .1 host, and thus the response will go back there, and connection tracking then automatically undoes the rewritings |
| 19:38.39 | xand | Vladimir: ask #ubuntu please |
| 19:38.42 | valdyn | Vladimir: dhcp renewal does not at all imply that the ip changes btw |
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| 19:38.51 | fransman | how do i patch a interdiff file on a svn tree? |
| 19:38.57 | VincentC | i've just installed debian and configured it so that i can ssh from a machine at school to home, what can i do to protect the server from malicious activity? |
| 19:39.01 | VincentC | or should i not be worried |
| 19:39.09 | valdyn | fransman: ask in an appropriate channel |
| 19:39.11 | VincentC | i opened up one port (22) on my router |
| 19:39.20 | xand | VincentC: turn off root ssh for one |
| 19:39.22 | IgorSobreira | anybody knows whats this error in apt-get? E: Unable to write mmap - msync (28 No space left on device) |
| 19:39.22 | IgorSobreira | E: The package lists or status file could not be parsed or opened. |
| 19:39.23 | catsup_ | VincentC: just make sure passwords are secure |
| 19:39.24 | valdyn | VincentC: use secure passwords |
| 19:39.29 | catsup_ | VincentC: or don't use passwords |
| 19:39.43 | xand | IgorSobreira: it says |
| 19:39.51 | blubberdiblub | fas3r: no, you need the DNAT like you did before, and additionally an snat: iptables -t nat -A POSTROUTING -p tcp -d 192.168.2.5 --dport 80 -j SNAT --from-source 192.168.2.1 |
| 19:39.59 | valdyn | VincentC: if you want to go further, then you _could_ limit login to public key authentication, but that is more security than you probably need |
| 19:40.07 | VincentC | ok rootssh is a good thing to turn off |
| 19:40.07 | catsup_ | remember that disabling root access is mostly pointless if you have sudo access or such |
| 19:40.11 | abrotman | IgorSobreira: your HDD is full |
| 19:40.15 | abrotman | or that partitino is |
| 19:40.27 | xand | catsup_: that's why sudo is stupid :P |
| 19:40.30 | fas3r | blubberdiblub: yes after the DNAT |
| 19:40.33 | VincentC | i don't really have anything valuable on my box unless the attacker wants to steal my assignments :P |
| 19:40.37 | catsup_ | sudo is great |
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| 19:40.54 | Tramp | blubberdiblub: ah, you want the SNAT on the 2.1 (I thought on the 2.5 and "triangular routing", thus my concerns about ARP). Now I get it. |
| 19:41.02 | xand | catsup_: anyway that statement's not true... it stops them bruteforcing root |
| 19:41.03 | catsup_ | there's enough value to an attacker in the internet connection itself |
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| 19:41.15 | catsup_ | xand: that's why i said 'mostly' |
| 19:41.29 | VincentC | by secure passwords do you mean "really long passwords" that are like sentences? |
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| 19:41.35 | valdyn | VincentC: hard to guess usernames with "secure" passwords if pretty much safe. |
| 19:41.36 | catsup_ | no, random passwords |
| 19:41.37 | blubberdiblub | fas3r: you need both. your DNAT in prerouting and the additional SNAT in postrouting |
| 19:41.43 | catsup_ | e.g., as generated by mkpasswd |
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| 19:42.00 | valdyn | catsup_: umm, random is not secure |
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| 19:42.19 | catsup_ | random passwords are secure in proportion to their length |
| 19:42.27 | valdyn | catsup_: nonsense |
| 19:42.31 | catsup_ | ? |
| 19:42.38 | valdyn | catsup_: "guest" is a possible random p/w |
| 19:42.42 | valdyn | catsup_: its not secure |
| 19:42.43 | xand | VincentC: if you only want to ssh from one place, you could use hosts.allow/deny to restrict where ssh is allowed from |
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| 19:43.28 | catsup_ | well, presumably if mkpasswd generates 'guest' it won't be used |
| 19:43.30 | blubberdiblub | Tramp: well, it is supposed to be beyond arp ... the client sees itself only talking to the .1 and the .1 talks to the .5. never does a packet directly go from the client to .5 or vice versa. a bit funny, but should work |
| 19:43.30 | VincentC | i'd like to only be able to connect from the university |
| 19:43.46 | VincentC | i will look into it, it can probably be done i think |
| 19:43.47 | catsup_ | that's funny tho, it contradicts crypto theory |
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| 19:44.02 | catsup_ | if everyone used random passwords, 'guest' would be as secure as any random 5 digits |
| 19:44.12 | valdyn | catsup_: true |
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| 19:44.38 | xand | VincentC: you put sshd: all in hosts.deny and sshd: followed by a list of ip address/ranges you want to connect from |
| 19:44.39 | catsup_ | but of course they don't, so the theory doesn't apply, but then how can you make a theory of the reality? |
| 19:45.00 | valdyn | catsup_: uh? |
| 19:45.08 | Tramp | blubberdiblub: yeah, this should indeed work. the double-Nat makes the .1 act like a "router" within the same subnet |
| 19:45.10 | valdyn | catsup_: mkpasswd probably already does a dictionary check |
| 19:45.14 | valdyn | catsup_: i wouldnt know that |
| 19:45.25 | catsup_ | valdyn: how could cryptographic theory hope to take into account what you say? it's a very interesting problem |
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| 19:45.41 | blubberdiblub | Tramp: exactly :) |
| 19:45.50 | catsup_ | erm, i was mistaken, the command is makepasswd, mkpasswd is something else |
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| 19:45.51 | fas3r | blubberdiblub: Tramp : that work ... :) with :" iptables -t nat -A POSTROUTING -p tcp -d 192.168.2.5 --dport 80 -j SNAT --to-source 192.168.2.1 " |
| 19:46.04 | fas3r | after the DNAT ... thank for all :) |
| 19:46.13 | valdyn | catsup_: how is it? its just the simple thing, that humans have a set of words they use often, most of those are in a dictionary |
| 19:46.16 | catsup_ | makepasswd man page doesn't say anything about dictionary, it says it's random |
| 19:46.48 | catsup_ | valdyn: it's a very deep problem, like roshambo or poker |
| 19:47.09 | blubberdiblub | fas3r: you're welcome. yeah, sorry, misremembered the option name ;) |
| 19:47.23 | fas3r | blubberdiblub: no problem if just this ... :p |
| 19:47.24 | wols_ | valdyn: so which language is this dictionary it checks in? |
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| 19:47.29 | catsup_ | you're trying to skewing your randomness, which theoretically only amounts to imperfections in your heuristic, but you do it in accord with the skewed randomness of your opponant, so it can actually win |
| 19:47.35 | Tramp | fas3r: note, that the .5 (and its applications) don't see the real client. This may actually break applications, since there is also no X-Forwarde-For Header. |
| 19:47.35 | valdyn | wols_: appearantly it doesnt. |
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| 19:48.48 | catsup_ | s/trying to// |
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| 19:48.58 | ManuP | how do i remove empty lines in vim with regexp? i tryed :%s/^\n/ and :%s/\<\n/ but it dont work. whats wrong with it? |
| 19:49.04 | blubberdiblub | fas3r: yeah, as Tramp pointed out, that may be a problem if you need your web server check the client address - impossible this way |
| 19:49.14 | catsup_ | ManuP: %g/^$/d |
| 19:49.22 | catsup_ | erm, s/%// heh |
| 19:49.31 | catsup_ | ManuP: or g/^ *$/d |
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| 19:49.51 | fas3r | blubberdiblub: Tramp : ok because in the paquet it's 2.1 adress not the client adress .. it's that ? |
| 19:50.13 | ManuP | catsup_, okay, last did it. |
| 19:50.17 | Tramp | fas3r: exactly. |
| 19:50.18 | blubberdiblub | fas3r: you might want to consider reverse proxying instead ... or set up your routing so that the .1 is always in the middle of the packet flow |
| 19:50.27 | catsup_ | ManuP: $ indicates end of line; the \n is not matched against |
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| 19:50.41 | fas3r | blubberdiblub: by default 2.1 is my gateway |
| 19:50.49 | yigal | is there some reason gimp requires gconf2? |
| 19:50.49 | ManuP | catsup_, if i do a %s/\n/ it does work... |
| 19:50.59 | eth01 | how do i untar this, gz ? |
| 19:51.02 | catsup_ | ManuP: oh wow, how strange |
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| 19:51.10 | ManuP | catsup_, i need g/... because the d deletes the line? |
| 19:51.16 | Tramp | blubberdiblub: routing may not work trivially within the same subnet. The .1 would probably ICMP redirect messages. |
| 19:51.17 | catsup_ | that doesn't delete all the newlines? |
| 19:51.35 | yigal | catsup_: is this a vim Q? |
| 19:51.36 | catsup_ | ManuP: g means global, follow it with a regexp, then acommand to run on all matching lines |
| 19:51.48 | catsup_ | ManuP: grep derives its name from this, global regexp print |
| 19:51.49 | fas3r | blubberdiblub: Tramp: maybe it's possible i filter directly with iptables option with script directly on my gateway |
| 19:51.57 | blubberdiblub | Tramp: yeah, i meant a more physical "in the middle" ;) |
| 19:52.00 | eth01 | ping |
| 19:52.04 | eth01 | !ping |
| 19:52.04 | dpkg | pong |
| 19:52.12 | simonrvn | eth01: you don't untar .gz files |
| 19:52.23 | simonrvn | gunzip or gzip -d |
| 19:52.26 | yigal | eth01: you gunzip them |
| 19:52.36 | Vladimir | <xand> Vladimir: ask #ubuntu please |
| 19:52.38 | wols_ | well. tar -xzvf |
| 19:52.39 | Vladimir | *.lv banned :/ |
| 19:52.42 | fas3r | Tramp: maybe yes in futur i will add a reverse proxy with squid |
| 19:52.58 | ManuP | catsup_, ah, cool. thanks. but if i run the command with s/^ *$/d it writes d and dont deletes the lines... so there must be a diffrence between g/.. and s/... |
| 19:53.06 | Tramp | fas3r: yes, as blubberdiblub pointed out, this would be the Right Thing. |
| 19:53.13 | simonrvn | Vladimir: you ask them to either remove the ban, or set an exception for you |
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| 19:53.39 | abrotman | Vladimir: that's not our problem .. ask the chanops for #ubuntu |
| 19:54.03 | catsup_ | ManuP: s does a search and replace on a line, g does a command on a line, you can do, e.g., g/bla1/s/bla2/bla3 |
| 19:54.29 | Sajes | Hi. |
| 19:54.39 | catsup_ | (i.e., g is on another order higher than s, a meta-command to apply commands) |
| 19:54.55 | ManuP | catsup ah, i see. this is good to know. |
| 19:55.15 | fas3r | blubberdiblub: Tramp : my project is to create ( recreate) a webmin for iptables |
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| 19:56.02 | yigal | is there some reason gimp requires gconf2? |
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| 19:56.13 | CryptoMole | hi all |
| 19:56.27 | CryptoMole | new sources.list |
| 19:56.32 | CryptoMole | http://pastebin.ca/824091 |
| 19:56.50 | CryptoMole | please tell me if you think it will work |
| 19:56.55 | VincentC | if i want to make a user named 'guest' for my friends and classmates to ssh into, will i be able to limit the priviledges enough that there is no risk of them compromising the rest of my users? |
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| 19:57.06 | VincentC | or is it not worth the trouble |
| 19:57.11 | catsup_ | VincentC: theoretically it should be like that by default |
| 19:57.22 | Ronin | CryptoMole: work to do what? |
| 19:57.29 | ManuP | catsup_, maybe you can tell me how i replace all whitespaces between numbers expect one. from 10 2 4 to 10 2 4. the whitespace number is different between the digits. |
| 19:57.30 | VincentC | ok but i care more about being practical :p |
| 19:57.34 | Ronin | ouch mixing matching |
| 19:57.35 | catsup_ | CryptoMole: in practice there is likely to be a local exploit of some sort |
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| 19:57.54 | sepski | VincentC, unless there is exploits that allow priveledge escalation, but that's why you upgrade from security.debian.org so :) |
| 19:57.55 | catsup_ | manup: s/ */ /g |
| 19:57.59 | blubberdiblub | fas3r: you mean like a frontend? i bet there are already some packages doing that even remotely |
| 19:58.02 | CryptoMole | i want to upgrade etch to sid |
| 19:58.06 | Vladimir | abrotman, simonrvn: i don't know ops nicks :/ |
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| 19:58.22 | abrotman | Vladimir: /msg chanserv access #ubuntu list |
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| 19:58.28 | Ronin | CryptoMole: on purpose? can you fix it when it breaks? but if thats the case you wont need the lenny entries |
| 19:58.28 | catsup_ | ManuP: get a copy of mastering regular expressions |
| 19:58.32 | abrotman | or try #ubuntu-ops .. this has *nothing* to do with debian |
| 19:58.35 | abrotman | or #debain |
| 19:58.37 | abrotman | argh |
| 19:58.43 | eth01 | CPU0: Intel Pentium III (Coppermine) stepping 0a .. I'm wanting to upgrade this processor? |
| 19:58.47 | catsup_ | ManuP: (try gnutella) |
| 19:58.58 | CryptoMole | oh i thought you did. |
| 19:58.59 | abrotman | eth01: #hardware |
| 19:58.59 | ManuP | catsup_, i have this: http://www.geocities.com/volontir/#substitute |
| 19:59.04 | CryptoMole | my bad |
| 19:59.10 | fas3r | blubberdiblub: yes maybe but i want to use ajax create a webmin for all appliance .. i have create webfront for Freeradius for create and manage certificat |
| 19:59.17 | ManuP | catsup_, is this a book? |
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| 19:59.26 | catsup_ | yes, a book. |
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| 19:59.34 | navis | hi, can someone help me install etch in an hvm xen environment ? |
| 19:59.37 | catsup_ | ManuP: actually, maybe you could just read man perlre |
| 19:59.39 | Ronin | CryptoMole: you do know that running sid implies you can fix it yourself? |
| 19:59.44 | navis | for some reason it doesn't detect the hd |
| 19:59.55 | CryptoMole | yes |
| 20:00.01 | catsup_ | but the book is probably gentler |
| 20:00.22 | CryptoMole | and ive never come in here because i broke somthing. |
| 20:00.29 | blubberdiblub | fas3r: sounds formidable ;) |
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| 20:01.02 | ManuP | catsup_, ah, that is exactly the manpage i searched a long time. |
| 20:01.03 | eugo | I have some messages in /var/mail/<user> which ended up there when .forward was invalid, how do i get mail from /var/mail into ~/Maildir? |
| 20:01.03 | catsup_ | navis: probably you want to talk to xen people (maybe there is #xen) |
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| 20:01.08 | CryptoMole | i want the new driver fglrx-driver 8.442 |
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| 20:01.43 | CryptoMole | i want the new driver fglrx-driver 8.42-2 |
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| 20:02.00 | GiabboO | does anyone use IPCOP Firewall ? |
| 20:02.01 | CryptoMole | its in the sis repo |
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| 20:02.12 | catsup_ | eugo: there are a number of tools that can do that, including mail readers; do an apt-cache search for maildir and you'll find several |
| 20:02.15 | navis | catsup_: they'll tell me to upgrade to latest xen, I'd like to stick to etch |
| 20:02.20 | wols_ | !tell CryptoMole about simple sid backport |
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| 20:02.55 | catsup_ | navis: probably your problem is not specific to the old xen, but if it is, then the advice to upgrade xen will be good! |
| 20:03.05 | duder-ugh | anybody have a 'stock' /etc/sysctl.conf file i can peruse? |
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| 20:03.19 | duder-ugh | think i've gotten mine jacked up after openvz and xen installs |
| 20:03.25 | catsup_ | duder-ugh: you can get that out of your apt archives |
| 20:03.28 | eugo | catsup_: ty i will take a look |
| 20:03.38 | CryptoMole | thanks for that |
| 20:03.54 | navis | catsup_: then that's an etch bug, it should be fixed or documented |
| 20:03.58 | duder-ugh | googling now |
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| 20:04.08 | navis | catsup_: but I'll have a look for a xen chan |
| 20:04.22 | catsup_ | navis: eh, it's probably not an etch bug-- |
| 20:04.29 | duder-ugh | navis, what's your xen issue? |
| 20:04.36 | duder-ugh | i'm in the middle of one of those myself |
| 20:04.49 | navis | duder-ugh: I can't install etch in an hvm dom |
| 20:05.00 | catsup_ | navis: heh, take no offense if i direct you here: http://www.catb.org/%7Eesr/faqs/smart-questions.html#id270918 |
| 20:05.06 | duder-ugh | ah, ok, not similar to mine, |
| 20:05.13 | navis | duder-ugh: the kernel doesn't detect the hd |
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| 20:05.34 | duder-ugh | i've got some networking issues on mine... part of what i'm in here trying to fix |
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| 20:06.06 | CryptoMole | wols_: i checked backports |
| 20:06.08 | navis | catsup_: absolutely no offense taken, but if the etch provided scripts dont give the intended result, it is at least a documentation bug |
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| 20:06.28 | navis | duder-ugh: on mine network is ok :-) |
| 20:06.31 | duder-ugh | not sure how to use this apt-cache thing though (sorry, this is first deb job... usually work with RH based distros) |
| 20:06.49 | duder-ugh | my network 'works'... but nmap scans (regardless of version) come back jacked |
| 20:07.03 | duder-ugh | on the host as well as the vm's.. |
| 20:07.27 | duder-ugh | we switched over from openvz to xen to see if we could get the situation sorted, but it persists... |
| 20:07.42 | catsup_ | navis: but it could equally be a xen bug, or a xen misconfiguration... |
| 20:07.45 | duder-ugh | so it's not a xen issue.. it's not a kernel issue... gotta be networking on the deb host |
| 20:07.52 | CryptoMole | later all |
| 20:08.26 | navis | catsup_: if it's in etch, it's in etch, even if it comes from upstream |
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| 20:08.55 | catsup_ | duder-ugh: what are you trying to do with apt-cache ? |
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| 20:09.09 | navis | catsup_: dont take me wrong, debian is awesome, but that doesn't mesa |
| 20:09.18 | duder-ugh | my bad, was wrong with that, i misunderstood your initial answer |
| 20:09.27 | duder-ugh | by apt archives, you meant....? |
| 20:09.32 | navis | catsup_: mean upstream bugs should not be documented |
| 20:10.31 | navis | duder-ugh: what's your network config ? |
| 20:10.57 | catsup_ | duder-ugh: oh, i mean the .deb files that are (probably still) in /var/cache/apt/archives -- to get your original sysctl.conf you can use dpkg-deb --fsys-tarfile file.deb to get a .tar of the package files (on stdout) |
| 20:11.51 | catsup_ | the package in this case is procps (i found out with dpkg -S /etc/sysctl.conf) |
| 20:12.14 | duder-ugh | navis, /etc/sysctl.conf @ http://pastebin.com/m2fed222d |
| 20:12.24 | duder-ugh | catsup, awesome, thank you |
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| 20:12.50 | chops | So I have a gigabit NIC on a server that is getting poorer network performance than it should. |
| 20:12.52 | stew | the original sysctl.conf is in /usr/share/doc/procps/examples/sysctl.conf ; which is just a bunch of comments |
| 20:13.14 | duder-ugh | well hell, that doesn't help me much :P |
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| 20:13.32 | duder-ugh | so a default sysctl.conf comes as a completely commented file? |
| 20:13.48 | chops | Ugh, NM -- I was looking at the wrong side of the packet trace. I sniffed packets on the client and saw a bunch of incorrect TCP checksums... but I didn't notice that they were all in packets going back to the server from the client. |
| 20:13.48 | stew | duder-ugh: yes |
| 20:13.54 | Ronin | GiabboO: i do but theres also #ipcop |
| 20:13.58 | chops | So obviously my client is doing TCP checksum offloading. Never mind. Carry on. |
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| 20:14.12 | duder-ugh | the only editing i had done on it was adding a few things at the bottom... the stuff at the top was done by something/someone else i'm assuming then |
| 20:14.13 | duder-ugh | strange |
| 20:14.47 | duder-ugh | ugh.. eyes getting crossed... nothing is 'enabled' above what i did... |
| 20:15.01 | catsup_ | duder-ugh: some debconf script asks about the kernel tcp spoof thing, at least |
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| 20:15.26 | eugo | catsup_: i found getmail, and others, but how would i get them from /var/mail? |
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| 20:16.10 | catsup_ | eugo: read their docs, i guess; i don't know a command off-hand; personally i do this sort of thing with mutt |
| 20:16.18 | Minnozz | Hi, how can I make my bluetooth dongle discoverable for my phone? |
| 20:16.18 | eugo | aah |
| 20:16.22 | karrotx | what's the equivalent to /etc/sysconfig in debian? |
| 20:16.32 | catsup_ | what's /etc/sysconfig ? |
| 20:16.55 | karrotx | a directory on rhel's that support sysconfig info |
| 20:17.17 | catsup_ | and what is sysconfig ? |
| 20:17.34 | catsup_ | eh, probably i shouldn't answer your question, i don't know anything about rh |
| 20:17.52 | karrotx | it holds various config information for the system |
| 20:18.14 | simonrvn | /etc/default is closest |
| 20:18.17 | karrotx | things like iptables rules, and, in this case, it's the place i put nfs bind stats |
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| 20:18.50 | catsup_ | karrotx: the debconf database holds answers that the debian system asks the user about configuratoin |
| 20:18.53 | simonrvn | /etc/default usually is only to configure init scripts, nothing more |
| 20:19.19 | catsup_ | karrotx: those answers are used to generate or modify files in /etc, or to configure the system in other ways |
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| 20:19.34 | simonrvn | what s/he said ;) |
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| 20:20.15 | naiv | anyone with linux knows howto list nodes ? |
| 20:20.22 | naiv | anyone with linux knows howto list tor nodes ? |
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| 20:20.25 | rahul | nodes? |
| 20:20.32 | rahul | dpkg: tor |
| 20:20.32 | dpkg | tor is probably a system of proxies to maintain anonymity, see http://tor.eff.org/ or not allowed on #debian, see http://freenode.net/policy.shtml#tor, or not in etch, see http://wiki.noreply.org/noreply/TheOnionRouter/TorOnDebian |
| 20:21.48 | hdevalence__ | is there a debian cd that installs kde instead of gnome? |
| 20:21.57 | simonrvn | yes |
| 20:21.59 | aleksanteri | hdevalence__, yes |
| 20:22.44 | Minnozz | any bluetooth experts here? |
| 20:22.55 | simonrvn | !experts |
| 20:23.04 | simonrvn | !experts is see also guru |
| 20:23.05 | dpkg | okay, simonrvn |
| 20:23.32 | Minnozz | !guru |
| 20:23.32 | dpkg | guru is, like, (GURU Understands Real Unix) or An expert, especially in "{Unix} guru". Implies not only {wizard} skill but also a history of being a knowledge resource for others. Less often, used (with a qualifier) for other experts on other systems, as in "VMS guru". or what meditates inside Amigas. or it's pointless to ask for a guru in a knowledge field because people being humble, nobody will answer your question. "GUide to Ram Upgrades for ... |
| 20:23.52 | Minnozz | hmm, that'll do |
| 20:24.06 | abrotman | Minnozz: what's your real question? |
| 20:24.08 | simonrvn | just ask the questin. simpler that way ;) |
| 20:24.10 | up365 | Minnozz, have you installed any BT programs from synaptic |
| 20:24.16 | simonrvn | question* |
| 20:24.32 | karrotx | does anyone know how to tie NFS down to a static port on debian? |
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| 20:24.50 | dondelelcaro | karrotx: uh... why would you ever do that? |
| 20:24.53 | Minnozz | well I'm trying to get internet on my phone via bluetooth, but the first problem is that I need to 'find' my pc on my phone |
| 20:25.07 | Minnozz | I can connect from my pc to my phone, but not the other way around |
| 20:25.17 | karrotx | dondelelcaro: i need to put a firewall up |
| 20:25.44 | abrotman | Minnozz: i doubt your phone is looking for another system .. it's probably just looking for devices |
| 20:26.03 | dondelelcaro | karrotx: so put one up; allowing NFS access without using a vlan tunnel over the internet is a bad idea. |
| 20:26.11 | abrotman | that totally didn't come out right :) |
| 20:26.15 | dondelelcaro | s/vlan/vpn/ |
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| 20:26.32 | dondelelcaro | karrotx: and once you have a vpn working correctly, you no longer care what ports NFS is using |
| 20:26.34 | Minnozz | abrotman: well I know that it's possible, it works under Kubuntu |
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| 20:26.54 | karrotx | dondelelcaro: i guess that's not a bad idea |
| 20:26.59 | karrotx | i dont believe these boxes have two nics |
| 20:27.09 | catsup_ | karrotx: mountd has a -p option for port |
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| 20:27.43 | catsup_ | (so does nfsd, but it says it listens on 2049 anyway) |
| 20:27.47 | CanDoo | !tell nvidia |
| 20:27.57 | Minnozz | abrotman: /win 2 |
| 20:28.01 | Minnozz | err |
| 20:28.02 | Minnozz | -_- |
| 20:28.04 | CanDoo | !tell me about nvidia |
| 20:28.37 | Minnozz | abrotman: is there a setting for 'discoverability' in bluetooth? |
| 20:28.58 | drizzd_ | I'm having trouble playing rmvb files on amd64. Is there any solution other than installing a 32-bit player? |
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| 20:29.01 | dondelelcaro | karrotx: in any event, though, NFS just uses 2049; it's statd et al. and the other rpc bits that you need to restrict to a port, and they all have options available to do that. |
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| 20:29.26 | catsup_ | portmap is stupid |
| 20:29.28 | Minnozz | up365: yes, bluez-utils and bluetooth |
| 20:30.06 | abrotman | !tell CanDoo about selftell |
| 20:30.20 | catsup_ | not only is the idea of portmap stupid, but portmap itself is stupid. it doesn't save its state in case of a crash or restart. |
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| 20:30.31 | dondelelcaro | catsup_: you can have it save state if you want |
| 20:30.48 | abrotman | Minnozz: AIUI .. bluez-utils should do it |
| 20:30.54 | catsup_ | oh wow |
| 20:31.00 | up365 | Minnozz, you also need bluez-firmware, bluez-gnome |
| 20:31.04 | catsup_ | is that a new feature? |
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| 20:31.16 | dondelelcaro | catsup_: no |
| 20:31.17 | catsup_ | I don't remember pmap_dump being in there before |
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| 20:31.52 | up365 | Minnozz, once dongle is in USB it is discovered |
| 20:31.52 | dondelelcaro | though unless you're using rather broken RPC clients, there's never any real reason to save it |
| 20:32.05 | Minnozz | up365: well the dongle works |
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| 20:32.17 | Minnozz | up365: my problem is that my phone doesn't 'see' it |
| 20:32.23 | hdevalence__ | how soon after it is released is KDE 4 going to be put into sid? |
| 20:32.28 | Minnozz | up365: but my PC can see my phone |
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| 20:32.49 | up365 | Minnozz, 1 sec getting my phone |
| 20:32.59 | abrotman | hdevalence__: ask #debian-kde .. but i doubt they have a firm plan |
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| 20:33.03 | Caelum | heh, I only get 29MB/s on my usb raid-1 with hdparm -t :) |
| 20:33.37 | abrotman | and the speed of USB2 is 400 Mb ? |
| 20:33.43 | abrotman | supposedly :) |
| 20:33.48 | Minnozz | ok up365 =) |
| 20:33.50 | Caelum | 480 megabits |
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| 20:34.14 | abrotman | so you're getting 320Mbps ? |
| 20:34.17 | abrotman | roughly |
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| 20:36.05 | up365 | Minnozz, do you have the BT Manager icon in panel ? |
| 20:36.20 | Minnozz | up365: Well, I don't have a panel :P |
| 20:36.28 | Caelum | 232 megabits according to a calculator, on a heavily loaded system (one drive sata, one usb2). I should retry in single user mode sometime :) |
| 20:36.36 | Minnozz | up365: just nice black screen with nice white letters |
| 20:37.04 | up365 | Minnozz, how are you going to manage the connection then ? |
| 20:37.24 | Minnozz | up365: that's what I would like to know =) |
| 20:37.39 | Minnozz | but, I think the only real problem now is the pairing |
| 20:37.50 | Minnozz | and ofcourse detection |
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| 20:39.14 | up365 | Minnozz, type bluetooth-properties in terminal |
| 20:39.16 | [intra]lanman | kernel 2.6.23 considered stable now? |
| 20:39.44 | Minnozz | up365: (bluetooth-properties:32687): Gtk-WARNING **: cannot open display: |
| 20:39.55 | Minnozz | is it graphical? |
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| 20:40.11 | up365 | Minnozz, yeah |
| 20:40.30 | Minnozz | up365: hmm, problem |
| 20:41.29 | up365 | Minnozz, there may be a command line way but I don't know it |
| 20:41.39 | Minnozz | up365: too bad =( |
| 20:41.46 | catsup | [intra]lanman: The latest stable version of the Linux kernel is: 2.6.23.12 |
| 20:42.02 | Minnozz | anybody knows how to pair two bluetooth devices with the command line? |
| 20:42.05 | catsup | [intra]lanman: (says 'finger @finger.kernel.org') |
| 20:42.22 | [intra]lanman | catsup: thanks, just msg'd dpkg too |
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| 20:43.10 | simonrvn | Minnozz: try not running it as root... |
| 20:43.32 | Minnozz | running what simonrvn ? |
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| 20:44.40 | jelly-home | Caelum: 29MB/s is not bad for USB. |
| 20:45.34 | simonrvn | @kernel |
| 20:45.39 | ravenbird | Linux kernel versions, stable: 2.6.23.12, prepatch: 2.6.24-rc5, snapshot: 2.6.24-rc5-git6, 2.4: 2.4.35.5, prepatch: 2.4.36-rc1, 2.2: 2.2.26, prepatch: 2.2.27-rc2, -mm patch: 2.6.24-rc5-mm1 |
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| 20:47.38 | fasta_ | setxkbmap -model pc104 -layout us => Error loading new keyboard description |
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| 20:48.08 | fasta_ | That's a very clear error message. |
| 20:48.27 | HeatHawk[LI] | Hey there, running lenny, my volume keeps changing, im using gnome, and i keep setting it with both the gui tool and alsamixer (and using: alsactl store) |
| 20:48.35 | fasta_ | It's not undocumented error 1107 has occured, but it comes close. |
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| 20:50.00 | eugo | is there a "build" package that includes gcc, make, libc etc etc all in one? |
| 20:50.14 | cahoot | HeatHawk[LI]: alsa-utils is installed? |
| 20:50.15 | Minnozz | build-essential ? |
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| 20:51.09 | HeatHawk[LI] | cahoot, ya man, otherwise alsamixer and alsactl wouldnt work, lol |
| 20:51.21 | eugo | the search on packages.debian wouldn't allow me to search it |
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| 20:51.49 | catsup | does that search include virtual packages? |
| 20:52.04 | catsup | eugo: you know about apt-get build-dep ? |
| 20:52.23 | dondelelcaro | eugo: you mean build-essential |
| 20:52.25 | valdyn | HeatHawk[LI]: are you changing the kernel too? |
| 20:53.10 | eugo | ty |
| 20:53.44 | HeatHawk[LI] | valdyn, that dosnt make sense |
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| 20:53.57 | valdyn | HeatHawk[LI]: it does, its a simple question. |
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| 20:55.11 | valdyn | HeatHawk[LI]: ok. |
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| 20:55.20 | davood | hi folks, where I can ask debian-kernel-hardware related questions |
| 20:55.31 | valdyn | davood: here. |
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| 20:57.00 | chops | So I have a server which isn't performing as well as it should be (perforce) -- I can use iostat, top, and jnettop, etc. to try to see what's going on with the server, but it seems like it's hard to see what subsystem (disk, network, cpu) the system is generally bottlenecked on. |
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| 20:57.40 | valdyn | chops: the %wa in top tells you if you can exclude the cpu |
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| 20:57.54 | chops | Is there a general performance analysis tool for Debian? Something like "average process spends X milliseconds per second waiting for disk, X milliseconds waiting for network, X milliseconds doing computation"... |
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| 20:58.13 | davood | thanx valdyn |
| 20:58.22 | chops | I realize that's probably a very hard problem to solve mechanically (especially with things like select() and poll() in the mix) |
| 20:58.40 | davood | then take a look at this plz http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/linux-hardware-18/sata-error-on-linux-kernel-2.6.18-5-607561/#post2996068 |
| 20:58.53 | valdyn | chops: there'S blktrace, but maybe you just want to ask about the actual issue |
| 20:59.16 | valdyn | ( blktrace is not supported by stock debian kernels ) |
| 20:59.17 | davood | not the post part so: http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/linux-hardware-18/sata-error-on-linux-kernel-2.6.18-5-607561 |
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| 20:59.45 | chops | valdyn: I thought %wa was only disk wait -- also, I'm not entirely sure how to read it, since it's got 4 CPUs. %wa hovers at around 25%... but it's not clear whether that's a single thread that's solidly bottlenecked on the disk, or a collection of smaller delays from multiple processes. |
| 20:59.56 | valdyn | chops: its i/o wait |
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| 21:00.07 | chops | valdyn: So network is included in that, or no? |
| 21:00.13 | valdyn | chops: yes |
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| 21:00.33 | valdyn | chops: top can give stats for individual cpus too |
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| 21:01.56 | chops | valdyn: Interesting... |
| 21:02.07 | valdyn | chops: the "1" key |
| 21:02.13 | davood | I've a problem with my sata drive, it works fine after each restart for a while but suddenly it goes crazy and sata hangs |
| 21:02.34 | valdyn | davood: which disk , which controller |
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| 21:03.15 | jelly-home | chops: sounds like a single cpu at 100%, right |
| 21:03.28 | valdyn | davood: "cat /sys/block/sda/device/queue_depth" gives anything? ( replace sda with your actual disk ) |
| 21:03.30 | chops | valdyn: Ah! So it is a single CPU (presumably a single process) with near-100% wait time. That is very useful, thanks. Is there a way to pin that wait time down to which process is responsible? |
| 21:03.50 | valdyn | chops: blktrace |
| 21:04.05 | valdyn | chops: i dont know how else except with some instinct |
| 21:04.35 | chops | valdyn: Yeah, it sounds like instinct is required. Like I said, I can see that this is probably a very tough problem to mechanize. |
| 21:04.37 | valdyn | chops: you can watch states of processes |
| 21:05.21 | chops | valdyn: The problem is that my instinct's been failing me so far :-). blktrace and the top keyboard commands can keep me digging for at least a little longer, though. Thanks a lot, all. |
| 21:05.26 | valdyn | chops: that process should be most often stuck in doing i/o.. |
| 21:05.30 | davood | 1 |
| 21:05.36 | chops | valdyn: D state? |
| 21:05.42 | davood | valdyn: cat /sys/block/sda/device/queue_depth returns 1 |
| 21:05.52 | valdyn | chops: yes |
| 21:06.12 | valdyn | davood: ok, wrong track, ncq is not the error |
| 21:06.40 | valdyn | davood: you should see dmesg containing messages about your disk "failing" |
| 21:06.47 | davood | a lot |
| 21:06.51 | valdyn | davood: show them |
| 21:06.54 | valdyn | !paste |
| 21:06.54 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 3 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://channels.debian.net/paste/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. |
| 21:07.03 | chops | Another interesting thing... iostat -x has rsec/s and wsec/s almost perfectly constant from one second to the next (3400 and 1500 respectively). I interpret that as suggesting that the disk is pegged busy, i.e. I'm bottlenecked on the disk. |
| 21:07.06 | davood | http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/linux-hardware-18/sata-error-on-linux-kernel-2.6.18-5-607561/ |
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| 21:09.09 | valdyn | davood: i cant precisely pinpoint the error, i do know an error like that and i have a patch for it |
| 21:09.24 | valdyn | davood: but you should probably google too, for your dmesg errors |
| 21:10.04 | valdyn | davood: those replies are less than useful ) |
| 21:10.13 | valdyn | davood: ( at linuxquestions.org i mean ) |
| 21:10.19 | davood | yes |
| 21:10.24 | holycow | current debian release is called etch, correct? |
| 21:10.38 | davood | holycow: seems |
| 21:10.45 | rodpod | !etch |
| 21:10.46 | dpkg | Etch is the code name for the current stable Debian release, version 4.0, released on April 8th, 2007. Ask me about <install debian>. Please read the release notes at http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/releasenotes which also contain the upgrade procedure for upgrading from the previous version of Debian stable (<sarge>). |
| 21:11.00 | holycow | danke |
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| 21:11.29 | Sebboh | holycow: I like this page, too: http://www.us.debian.org/releases/ |
| 21:11.32 | valdyn | davood: hsm or HSM anywhere in that dmesg? or /var/log/syslog ? |
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| 21:12.12 | davood | let me |
| 21:12.44 | valdyn | davood: there should have been "issues" before what you pasted, where the drive just gets stuck for a short time |
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| 21:14.01 | niklas | I have installed ftp server(proftpd) in Etch through Synaptic package manager. When I try to log on to the server I get the error "421 Service not available, remote server has closed connection". I've been googling but was not able to find a solution for me. It seems like proftpd by default is not accepting any users to log on? Do I have to set which users to allow some how? |
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| 21:15.05 | valdyn | davood: i think you didnt tell me which disk controller this really is |
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| 21:15.28 | clamiax | I have a problem with Lighttpd-1.4.18 on NetBSD-4.0RC5 which don't allow me to read some ASCII english text file with my browser. I've tried to put the relevant files on another web server and i'm able to read them, i also tried to add "text/plain" as default mime type but without results. I googled a lot and i've also read the documentation but without results. Does anyone have an idea? |
| 21:15.55 | clamiax | s/NetBSD-4.0RC5/Debian (etch)/ |
| 21:15.57 | varange | Where does exim4 keep its mail queue for outgoing mail please? |
| 21:16.00 | davood | I've a remote connection to it. but as I remember it's 500G western digital on a ASUS P5LD2-VM |
| 21:16.09 | davood | I'm checking syslog |
| 21:16.14 | valdyn | davood: yes, that'S the mainboard, not the disk controller |
| 21:16.20 | chemist | help away |
| 21:16.21 | clamiax | varange: exim -bpa or "mailq" to see it |
| 21:16.27 | davood | nothing before this messages |
| 21:16.32 | valdyn | davood: you run "lspci | grep -i sata" or somesuch instead of me googlign for your board |
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| 21:16.51 | clamiax | valdyn: look at /var/spool/, btw |
| 21:17.06 | clamiax | s/valdyn /varange/ |
| 21:17.07 | Tramp | niklas: can your server reverse-resolve the client? |
| 21:17.19 | davood | 0000:00:1f.2 IDE interface: Intel Corp. 82801EB (ICH5) Serial ATA 150 Storage Controller (rev 02) |
| 21:17.43 | valdyn | clamiax: sure its not a seagate disk? |
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| 21:17.48 | varange | clamiax: thx |
| 21:17.52 | valdyn | clamiax: ops |
| 21:17.55 | clamiax | ;-) |
| 21:18.00 | valdyn | davood: sure its not a seagate disk? |
| 21:18.06 | valdyn | davood: hdparm can tell you |
| 21:18.42 | chops | Hm, I see that CONFIG_BLK_DEV_IO_TRACE is not defined in my (etch) kernel... or in my sid kernel at home. |
| 21:18.57 | valdyn | chops: sure, its off in debian kernels |
| 21:19.06 | chops | valdyn: Yeah, I saw someone mentioned that earlier |
| 21:19.18 | chops | Does anyone happen to know a good reason it should be disabled? Does it hurt performance? |
| 21:19.33 | valdyn | chops: it does, i dont think its alot |
| 21:19.41 | chops | Ah, I see, the bug exists already |
| 21:19.47 | valdyn | ( maybe it is on some workloads, its not for me ) |
| 21:19.48 | varange | clamiax: the files under /spool/exim4/input? |
| 21:19.48 | mgpaulus | niklas: I can't remember exactly, but I think you have to add an entry to /etc/inetd.conf, and then restart inetd |
| 21:19.58 | chops | Ah, fixed in 2.6.23-1 |
| 21:20.02 | chops | Nifty |
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| 21:20.22 | niklas | Tramp: I'm looking up how to reverse-resolve, never heard of it before. I'll be back :) |
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| 21:20.52 | niklas | mgpaulus: ok, so you think I have to add an entry specifying wich users to allow? |
| 21:21.24 | mgpaulus | niklas: No, I think you have to add an entry to get inetd to fire proftpd. |
| 21:21.52 | Tramp | mgpaulus: he got a 421 response from the server. |
| 21:21.57 | niklas | mgpaulus: ah, but I think it is running, since it's responding |
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| 21:22.43 | Martin_Nilsson | hi there, any1 here know about a page for F/OSS bounties? |
| 21:22.44 | clamiax | varange: i'm not sure. There are no queues here so i can't check. Just read that file to be sure. |
| 21:22.46 | Tramp | niklas: check reverse-resolution with nslookup (or host) <IP of client> on the server. It should give back a name |
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| 21:22.58 | davood | valdyn: nice to see this: HDIO_DRIVE_CMD(identify) failed: Input/output error |
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| 21:23.06 | davood | let me restart the machine |
| 21:23.16 | valdyn | davood: lsmod | grep piix |
| 21:23.35 | niklas | Tramp: ah. seems to work fine. |
| 21:23.40 | valdyn | davood: ok |
| 21:23.42 | varange | thx clamiax, all fixed |
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| 21:24.58 | Spectrum_ | hi |
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| 21:25.31 | Spectrum_ | is it possible to install on a 64bit laptop ? (with already vista on it ) |
| 21:25.38 | Tramp | niklas: (actually the 421 comes from the client, but it shows that there is a listener) |
| 21:25.39 | valdyn | Spectrum_: sure |
| 21:26.02 | niklas | Tramp: ah ok |
| 21:26.10 | Tramp | niklas: nothing in the logs? also check auth.log. |
| 21:26.18 | mgpaulus | niklas: That message you are seeing looks to me like inetd is trying to start proftpd when you hit port 22, and it can't or won't start proftpd. |
| 21:26.23 | Spectrum_ | valdyn: so, I just boot from the cd and follow the steps ? |
| 21:26.41 | valdyn | Spectrum_: yes |
| 21:27.04 | valdyn | Spectrum_: mind, you need free disk space or debian cant install |
| 21:27.26 | Spectrum_ | valdyn: definitely |
| 21:27.26 | Spectrum_ | valdyn: any problems with nvidia ? |
| 21:27.51 | niklas | mgpaulus: hmm what do you mean? like if it's not allowed to use port 22? |
| 21:28.03 | valdyn | Spectrum_: what kind of question is that? |
| 21:28.10 | valdyn | Spectrum_: is there any hardware that has no bugs? |
| 21:28.20 | Spectrum_ | valdyn: compatibilty with nvidia drivers |
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| 21:28.58 | valdyn | Spectrum_: how many different gfx cards and other hardware does and did nvidia produce? |
| 21:29.04 | Spectrum_ | valdyn: I have a geforce 8400gs, will debian support it ? |
| 21:29.12 | valdyn | Spectrum_: no, etch wont |
| 21:29.30 | yigal | if a backup of a desktop system is made using tar, the original disk erased and new partitions made what is the best way to restore the system? |
| 21:29.42 | yigal | s/best/a working/ |
| 21:29.48 | valdyn | !nvidia |
| 21:29.48 | dpkg | To use an NVIDIA graphics card with Debian, see http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers. If you've done it before, ask me about <nvidia one-liner> for a reminder. |
| 21:30.07 | Spectrum_ | thanks valdyn |
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| 21:30.45 | valdyn | Spectrum_: you would need to use backports.org or drivers from lenny or sid or directly from nvidia.com |
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| 21:31.37 | mgpaulus | niklas: Yep, what I suspected. If inetd can't find your proftpd executable, or can't execute it, then it will throw that 421 error. |
| 21:31.55 | chops | Okay, so I think I've halfway convinced myself that the problem is that my server is heavily bottlenecked on its disk. The next question: Is there anything I can do about it? (Short of getting more disks, of course) |
| 21:32.07 | valdyn | chops: ram |
| 21:32.14 | chops | When there's a single transfer going on, it seems that it can get a good 20-30 megabyte/s going to the client |
| 21:32.16 | niklas | mgpaulus: oh. hmm perhaps I should try reinstalling? |
| 21:32.26 | chops | If there are even two or three, though, each one drops to 2-5 megabyte/s |
| 21:32.27 | valdyn | chops: is that a fileserver? |
| 21:32.29 | niklas | but isnt that weird since I installed using the package manager? |
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| 21:32.46 | chops | valdyn: More or less. It's a perforce server with some binaries that aren't going to fit in RAM no matter how much cache I throw at them. |
| 21:33.00 | mgpaulus | niklas: look in /etc/inetd.conf and see if you have a line that starts with ftp |
| 21:33.23 | valdyn | chops: you want to know if theres a subset of your data that fullfills most requests that also fits on a reasonable amount of ram that you could add to that box |
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| 21:33.29 | mgpaulus | niklas: you could try doing a 'dpkg-reconfigure proftpd' and select inetd |
| 21:33.43 | chops | Is there an easy retuning I can do to tell the I/O system to be less fair with its balancing? Do the transfers in bigger chunks to test the theory that multiple transfers are reducing the total performance because it's seeking back and forth a lot? |
| 21:34.11 | valdyn | chops: yes, but that does not necessarily matter |
| 21:34.19 | niklas | Tramp: The proftpd log dir(/var/log/proftpd/) is empty. auth.log says notthing about it either. So probably Trump is right |
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| 21:34.39 | valdyn | chops: some setups wouldnt suffer to much from that effect |
| 21:34.40 | Spectrum_ | valdyn: will debian install that program that allows you to chose between windows/linux ? |
| 21:34.47 | niklas | mgpaulus: ah, but you can select to run it as "stand alone" or inetd? |
| 21:34.47 | valdyn | Spectrum_: yes |
| 21:34.58 | chops | valdyn: Hmm, I'm still sort of experimenting. It'd be a shame to purchase 12 more gigs of RAM and then find out I was bottlenecked on the network :-) |
| 21:35.08 | niklas | I think I selected stand alone. I selected the one recommended when there's not much load on the server |
| 21:35.11 | valdyn | chops: you can use disk mirrors too, whatever fits your dataset |
| 21:35.50 | mgpaulus | niklas: yes. Depends on how long you want it running. using inetd should give least load. |
| 21:35.54 | chops | valdyn: Yeah, that's the next step for this server anyway, is to add a big external RAID10 array. That'll make it a hell of a lot faster than its current silly 4-disk RAID5. |
| 21:36.02 | valdyn | chops: ( disk mirrors only if the workload is mostly read, not write ) |
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| 21:36.30 | Tramp | niklas: what gives "lsof -ni:22" |
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| 21:36.46 | chops | valdyn: But that'll be expensive and may not happen for quite a few months yet... if there were something in software I could do it'd be much nicer. |
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| 21:37.02 | niklas | Tramp: http://rafb.net/p/kvAq2Q39.html |
| 21:37.10 | chops | "Can't we do the upgrade in software? I keep hearing about this virtualization stuff, can't we use that?" |
| 21:37.11 | valdyn | chops: hmm? mirroring isnt expensive.. |
| 21:37.27 | Tramp | niklas: uhps, sorry. I meant 21 |
| 21:37.29 | niklas | I reconfigured it to use inetd instead, but still same problem. but probably a reboot will work |
| 21:37.36 | valdyn | chops: funny |
| 21:37.42 | niklas | COMMAND PID USER FD TYPE DEVICE SIZE NODE NAME |
| 21:37.42 | niklas | inetd 2542 root 4u IPv4 7280 TCP *:ftp (LISTEN) |
| 21:37.55 | valdyn | chops: some filesystems are supposed to perform FAR better with concurrent accesses |
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| 21:38.14 | mgpaulus | niklas: I'm not sure that dpkg-reconfigure kills/restarts inetd |
| 21:38.19 | chops | valdyn: There's not space in the server for more disks currently. Actually, setting up a replicated slave in perforce is pretty easy, but there's not another server here with read speed even as good as this one's... |
| 21:38.27 | valdyn | chops: google for info i guess, reiser4 used to excel there, but its hardly an option for you |
| 21:38.33 | chops | valdyn: Definitely not :-) |
| 21:38.40 | chops | valdyn: Anyway, thanks all for all your help. |
| 21:38.50 | niklas | mgpaulus: ok. Rebooting the computer now, don't know how to restart just proftpd hehe |
| 21:38.53 | chops | If I figure anything else out or anything in particular works for me I'll let you know. |
| 21:39.03 | mgpaulus | niklas: doesn't matter since you using standalone |
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| 21:39.20 | mgpaulus | niklas: excuse me. you are using inetd |
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| 21:40.08 | ross` | how to i chown a user to give him access to a folder that's root root |
| 21:40.17 | ross` | i want to give him access to /var/www/mythcoding.net |
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| 21:40.49 | valdyn | !wikifaq ross` Permissions |
| 21:40.49 | dpkg | ross`: check out http://wiki.debian.org/Permissions or if that doesn't work, try http://wiki.debian.org/ |
| 21:40.57 | niklas | mgpaulus: ok :) still same error :/ |
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| 21:41.18 | ross` | k |
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| 21:41.21 | xand | should i file a bug report on "top" for using "m" to mean megabytes? |
| 21:41.35 | mgpaulus | niklas: ok. 'grep ftp /etc/inetd.conf' and check that the file it's trying to execute is around |
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| 21:41.46 | chops | How do I switch the I/O scheduler again? Writing to /sys/block/sdb/queue isn't working for me for some reason. |
| 21:41.50 | Tramp | niklas: just to be sure: check (1) if your /etc/hosts.{allow,deny} have some uncommented lines which could block the connection (2) what mgpaulus suggested |
| 21:42.19 | niklas | Tramp, mgpaulus: thank you guys, will try these suggestions |
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| 21:42.40 | ross` | im confused.. how do i do this with chown> |
| 21:42.43 | ross` | i did it along time ago |
| 21:42.49 | ross` | i just forget the syntax |
| 21:43.00 | chops | Oh, it works with 'echo deadline > scheduler' as root, just 'sudo -e scheduler' doesn't work for some reason. |
| 21:43.00 | xand | ross`: you either change the owner/group or change the permissions (chmod) |
| 21:43.17 | ross` | whatever shown is that will work |
| 21:43.23 | ross` | i think |
| 21:43.27 | ross` | i want him to have access to it |
| 21:43.28 | ross` | jsut him thou |
| 21:43.31 | ross` | him and root |
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| 21:44.45 | davood | valdyn: it's interesting. there is not /dev/sda at all till now (aftre 3 restarts) |
| 21:44.54 | xand | ross`: root has access to everything, so you could make it owned by the user, though whether that's wise depends on what it is |
| 21:45.19 | xand | ross`: I'd make them the owner of that directory, or chgrp it and put the user in that group |
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| 21:45.26 | xand | (make a new group) |
| 21:46.16 | chops | Hm, perhaps while I'm doing a backup is not the ideal time to be tuning my disk performance :-) |
| 21:46.25 | Orion_X11 | I don't have another OS in my machine, so I do not need grub in. But I installed grub2 and grub and after that I purged them. Although I did so. When I boot the machine instead of accessing and entering in the default kernel it still shows grub2 chain loader. And I have seen that grub2 is still in my menu.lst! So how do I take away grub2 from boot options? |
| 21:46.34 | chops | Anyway, the anticipatory scheduler seems to do a bit better for my read-heavy load, which makes a good deal of sense |
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| 21:46.59 | holycow | Orion_X11: take it away? did you install another boot loader? |
| 21:47.05 | Bushmills | Orion_X11: how would your OS boot, without boot loader? |
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| 21:47.07 | holycow | you can't just take grub away, you replace it |
| 21:47.38 | chops | For the last thirty seconds that I've been watching it, it seems to degrade from 20-30 megabytes/s with a single client to 10-20 megabyte/s aggregate with a small number of clients (instead of 5-10 like it was before). |
| 21:47.54 | chops | And this is while I'm taking a backup... |
| 21:48.07 | Orion_X11 | holycow: Lilo. But, have purged that too. |
| 21:48.28 | holycow | Orion_X11: thats really dumb |
| 21:48.31 | holycow | you need a bootloader |
| 21:48.33 | holycow | pick one |
| 21:48.55 | holycow | there no option there. |
| 21:48.55 | Bushmills | Orion_X11: you could boot from floppy, maybe? but then you'd need a boot loader on floppy disc |
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| 21:49.11 | Minnozz | Bluetooth is driving me mad |
| 21:49.20 | holycow | or write your own and install that |
| 21:49.29 | Minnozz | anyone up for ssh'ing to my pc and fix it? |
| 21:50.20 | Orion_X11 | I used to boot without grub or lilo they were not in my machine. It used to go straight into a kernel line. |
| 21:50.45 | streuner | Minnozz: nothing going to ssh to your box, ask you question here. |
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| 21:51.07 | maddash_ | is it normal if your butt hurts as soon as you take a seat? |
| 21:51.15 | Minnozz | well, my question is something like 'why doesn't it work' because I have no idea what to do now |
| 21:51.23 | maddash_ | whoops |
| 21:51.27 | Caelum | is there a way to use indirect rendering in libgl for a specific program? |
| 21:51.51 | cusco | try to explain what have you done so far, what you acomplished and what do you want as a end resuld Minnozz |
| 21:51.55 | Bushmills | Orion_X11: were you sitting on the master boot record then, doing what a boot loader would do otherwise? |
| 21:52.03 | mgpaulus | maddash_: It is for me when I start riding my bike again after taking a couple of weeks/month off. |
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| 21:52.52 | chops | Oh, yeah, this makes a ton of sense. With a RAID5 writes are a big disaster for performance, so delaying them should increase performance. Also, I don't care about fairness, so throwing away CFQ should help me. It's all so clear now. |
| 21:53.07 | ross` | with permissions does it go: owner:group? |
| 21:53.16 | Minnozz | cusco: I followed this guide: http://www.howtoforge.com/bluetooth_pand_debian_etch ; But my phone won't pair with my pc (I think) and I don't think dhcpserver is set up right because it gives errors in syslog |
| 21:54.27 | cusco | hmm sorry I never used bluethooth Minnozz |
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| 21:55.56 | Orion_X11 | Bushmills: > http://paste.debian.net/45223 > lines 8-11 were not there before installing grub2 |
| 21:56.30 | Minnozz | cusco: there are so many files and settings involved that I thought that ssh'ing to my pc (server, actually) would be easier |
| 21:56.39 | ross` | with permissions does it go: owner:group? for chowning stuff? |
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| 21:58.45 | Bushmills | Orion_X11: when you installed grub2, the install script added it to the boot menu |
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| 21:59.16 | Bushmills | Orion_X11: it should, when removing grub2, remove that section again |
| 21:59.26 | ricosecada | Does anyone know why lame isn't in the packages? |
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| 21:59.44 | streuner | non-free |
| 21:59.46 | Bushmills | ricosecada: mp3 |
| 21:59.52 | streuner | !lame |
| 21:59.53 | dpkg | Lame Ain't an MP3 Encoder. Debian does not distribute LAME due to patent and infrastructure issues. Binary packages are available from <debian-multimedia> or <rarewares>. Upstream sources, with build instructions for Debian at http://www.mp3dev.org/ or http://lame.sourceforge.net/ |
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| 22:00.21 | Bushmills | ricosecada: deb http://www.debian-multimedia.org |
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| 22:00.41 | ricosecada | Bushmills thanks! |
| 22:00.51 | Orion_X11 | Bushmills: I have purged grub2, bute that line was not removed. This is the problem. And I am afraid of removing it by hand and not being able to boot my machine any more :-( |
| 22:00.55 | niklas | Tramp, mgpaulus: nothing worked. inetd.conf is using the correct file, and everything is commented in both hosts.allow and hosts.deny |
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| 22:01.42 | Bushmills | Orion_X11: that's /boot/grub/menu.lst ... feel free to delete it by hand. why the uninstall didn't remove it, no it |
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| 22:01.43 | Bushmills | id |
| 22:01.55 | niklas | but it should be possible to start it manually right? when I run /usr/sbin/proftpd I get " - Fatal: LoadModule: error loading module 'mod_lang.c': Permission denied on line 38 of '/etc/proftpd/modules.conf'" |
| 22:02.09 | niklas | so perhaps inetd is also getting this error, and that's why it cannot start? |
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| 22:02.41 | ross` | can someoen tlel me how to read the logs of commands people are doing on my server (by ip) |
| 22:02.50 | Minnozz | But, anyone with a lot of Bluetooth knowledge interested in SSH'ing to my pc and try to fix it? |
| 22:02.54 | ross` | cause i let someone have access to root.. cause they needed it for somethign |
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| 22:02.56 | ross` | and i trust them |
| 22:03.06 | ross` | but they arnt geniouses and so they may do something by accident |
| 22:03.15 | ross` | so i wanna know how to read logs of stuff they do in shell |
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| 22:03.31 | Orion_X11 | Bushmills: Should I remove the whole directory /grub? |
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| 22:03.38 | Bushmills | Orion_X11: NO |
| 22:03.39 | BlueToothz | when i type openssl, it has it on the system but when i try to install something it says install the binaries ? |
| 22:03.45 | BlueToothz | what is the problem ? |
| 22:04.05 | mgpaulus | niklas: I don't have that module in my proftpd.conf. |
| 22:04.11 | niklas | Tramp, mgpaulus ah yes, that's the problem. /var/log/syslog says: |
| 22:04.16 | niklas | Dec 20 00:58:38 milton proftpd[3082]: connect from niklas.csbnet.se (193.11.241.88) |
| 22:04.16 | niklas | Dec 20 00:58:38 milton proftpd[3082]: Fatal: LoadModule: error loading module 'mod_lang.c': Permission denied on line 38 of '/etc/proftpd/modules.conf' |
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| 22:04.36 | Bushmills | Orion_X11: though, if you use lilo, and your machine boots with lilo, and you haven't installed grub, then you could |
| 22:04.52 | ross` | can someone tell me how to read user logs please.. |
| 22:04.58 | mgpaulus | niklas: did you do some kind of upgrade of your box? |
| 22:05.00 | ross` | including ftp slogs.. |
| 22:05.00 | Bushmills | Orion_X11: just be sure that it really does use lolo |
| 22:05.02 | Bushmills | lilo |
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| 22:05.03 | ross` | like what was accessed.. |
| 22:05.16 | niklas | mgpaulus: hmm none particular that I can think of |
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| 22:06.45 | Orion_X11 | Bushmills: If I remove only menu.lst will I be able to go straight to the next kernel line? > Debian GNU/Linux, kernel 2.6.22-3-686 |
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| 22:07.35 | Bushmills | Orion_X11: no. remove only those lines. or grub wouldn't know what boot choice to give you |
| 22:07.53 | Tramp | niklas: Check this: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=451090 |
| 22:07.58 | Bushmills | provided you use grub as boot loader |
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| 22:09.22 | niklas | Tramp: ah, thank you. Don't know why it's in there in the first place. I have not installed anything extra for proftpd. |
| 22:09.23 | Orion_X11 | Bushmills: What do I have to remove? menu.lst or only those lines (8-11)? |
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| 22:10.50 | Orion_X11 | Bushmills: Those lines are in the menu.lst |
| 22:10.53 | Tramp | niklas: so you are running testing or unstable? |
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| 22:11.18 | niklas | Tramp: don't think so, at least not intentionally |
| 22:11.41 | Tramp | niklas: cat /etc/debian_version |
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| 22:12.05 | niklas | Tramp: It's 4.0 |
| 22:12.11 | niklas | thought you meant proftpd |
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| 22:13.32 | mgpaulus | niklas: what version of proftpd are you installing? 'dpkg -l proftpd' |
| 22:13.52 | niklas | mgpaulus: 1.3.1-2 |
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| 22:15.29 | mgpaulus | niklas: that's wierd, because my etch -amd64 and i386 boxes all seem to come with 1.3.0-19 |
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| 22:16.08 | mgpaulus | niklas: can you do a "grep '^deb ' /etc/apt/sources.list" |
| 22:16.10 | Tramp | niklas: have you messes with your sources.list somehow? |
| 22:16.14 | niklas | mgpaulus: ah, I think I chosed not to install it when installing Debian, but installed it afterwards |
| 22:16.24 | wols_ | !info proftpd etch |
| 22:16.29 | dpkg | proftpd: (Versatile, virtual-hosting FTP daemon), section net, is optional. Version: 1.3.0-19 (etch), Packaged size: 778 kB, Installed size: 2130 kB |
| 22:16.30 | niklas | Tramp: oh yes :) |
| 22:16.32 | Tramp | niklas: ... after you had messed with your sources.list .... |
| 22:16.42 | wols_ | !info proftpd lenny |
| 22:16.47 | dpkg | proftpd: (Versatile, virtual-hosting FTP daemon), section net, is optional. Version: 1.3.1-2 (lenny), Packaged size: 972 kB, Installed size: 2579 kB |
| 22:16.58 | strav | he. I've installed debian yesterday and ran into some issue concerning the suspend to ram function. I did some tests, and I could manage to get it working on kernels 2.6.18, .22 and .23 along with powersaved daemon. Now, as I ran and updated acpi packages, libc6 and friends, I cannot resume from suspend anymore. (note: perhaps this is linked to the ati bug with the kernel's new slab allocator but this is not likely since I now have this problem on 2.6.1 |
| 22:16.59 | strav | 8 (no slub alloc there) and when running X with vesa)... One other thing: my kernel logs seems clean even when failing to resume from suspend. Any suggestion would be very much appreciated! |
| 22:17.04 | niklas | Tramp: yep :/ |
| 22:17.09 | wols_ | niklas: do a propre lenny upgrade |
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| 22:17.58 | niklas | mgpaulus: that gives me http://rafb.net/p/N7yJfn24.html |
| 22:18.17 | niklas | wols_: ok, will try. thank you |
| 22:18.39 | wols_ | niklas: why do you have sid in there? |
| 22:18.42 | Tramp | niklas: great job. Pulled in both testing and unstable repositories. |
| 22:18.57 | wols_ | Tramp: if one fucks up, better do it in style... |
| 22:19.12 | niklas | wols_: haha. I believe I so did that |
| 22:19.26 | wols_ | !sid |
| 22:19.26 | dpkg | the <unstable> version of Debian. Commonly backronymed Still In Development. It's actually named for the destructive neighbour kid in Toy Story. Ask me about <unstable>. Do not use sid unless you have the skill to find your way out of the mess that broken packages may put you in. It will never be released. See <sid faq> |
| 22:19.26 | mgpaulus | niklas: what is it that you need from lenny anyway? |
| 22:19.33 | Tramp | wols_: Yeah. Why bother with only minor fsckups. |
| 22:20.29 | lindenle | Anyone know a good irc channel for fpga / pci questions |
| 22:20.37 | niklas | Tramp, wols_: I don't know. I was trying to find a repository with some package. I suppose I thought unstable as in unstable packages, not unstable Debian. |
| 22:20.55 | mgpaulus | niklas: what package are you looking for? |
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| 22:21.35 | strav | anyone? |
| 22:21.49 | niklas | mgpaulus: I think I was messing with it when I was looking for a nvidia kernel |
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| 22:22.15 | mgpaulus | niklas: There are some helper packages to install the nvidia modules into your etch kernel. |
| 22:22.22 | mgpaulus | !nvidia |
| 22:22.22 | dpkg | To use an NVIDIA graphics card with Debian, see http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers. If you've done it before, ask me about <nvidia one-liner> for a reminder. |
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| 22:23.14 | niklas | mgpaulus: yes, I read that guide, was trying to get the package with the pre-built module |
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| 22:23.28 | mgpaulus | niklas: set your /etc/apt/sources.list back to standard etch values, remove proftpd and reinstall it. |
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| 22:23.43 | mgpaulus | niklas: I wouldn't use the rebuilt module. |
| 22:23.53 | wols_ | mgpaulus: he already has a lenny or sid libc6 now |
| 22:24.01 | mgpaulus | niklas: I find that using module assistant is so much cleaner |
| 22:24.07 | niklas | mgpaulus: ok, on my way |
| 22:24.26 | mgpaulus | wols_. Oh. Bummers. Can he do a aptitude reinstall libc6? |
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| 22:24.45 | niklas | wols_: I'm quite sure I installed libc before messing with the sources |
| 22:25.08 | wols_ | niklas: the proftpd from sid has dragged in a new libc6 |
| 22:25.21 | niklas | have not really installed anything important(except proftpd) since the big mess happened |
| 22:25.22 | niklas | oh |
| 22:25.24 | mgpaulus | niklas: you will need to do a module-assistant prepare. then a m-a a-i nvidia. then install nvidia-glx |
| 22:25.28 | wols_ | niklas: dpkg -l libc6 |tail -1 |
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| 22:25.48 | niklas | wols_: ii libc6 2.7-4 GNU C Library: Shared libraries |
| 22:25.54 | davood | valdyn: are you here ? |
| 22:25.55 | wols_ | yep. sid libc6 |
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| 22:27.15 | niklas | wols_: do you have any advice on what to do? Is this possible to sort out without too much trouble, or should I reinstall Debian? |
| 22:27.26 | davood | seen valdyn ? |
| 22:27.33 | strav | should I try tuxonice??? |
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| 22:32.27 | Tramp | strav: afaik tuxonice is for susp. to disk, not susp. to ram |
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| 22:32.57 | davood | valdyn: maybe it's seagate. what do you want to say about it ? |
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| 22:34.06 | mgpaulus | davood: your dmesg should tell whether it's seagate. Somewhere in there it'll come up with the model # of the disk |
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| 22:34.26 | mgpaulus | davood: there are issues with seagate drives. |
| 22:34.59 | davood | in kernel (all distrus ) or in debian distru ? |
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| 22:35.28 | ricosecada | what group does a user need to belong to in order to use the shutdown command? |
| 22:35.50 | mgpaulus | davood: what I see mostly is against SIL3112 controller. |
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| 22:36.19 | Cheef-Daniel | hi |
| 22:36.24 | davood | mgpaulus: now the problem is sata drive totaly disapears. |
| 22:36.44 | haier | <ricosecada> : i think root ;-) |
| 22:36.49 | mgpaulus | davood: at boot time, as in not seen in the bios? |
| 22:37.11 | haier | hi <Cheef-Daniel> |
| 22:37.20 | davood | mgpaulus: I've remote connection |
| 22:37.36 | davood | mgpaulus: I've to ask isp man to check it |
| 22:37.44 | Cheef-Daniel | did anyone get cvsd running? I keep getting 'Permission Denied' error when I try to login into cvs |
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| 22:37.50 | mgpaulus | davood: if it's not showing up, I would say either the disk is going bad, or the connections have come loose. |
| 22:38.02 | abrotman | Cheef-Daniel: did you setup the pserver to run from inetd? |
| 22:38.05 | davood | mgpaulus: maybe |
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| 22:38.34 | mbroeker | ricosecada, install the sudoers package and you can grant shutdown privileges to ordinary users without security issues... |
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| 22:39.13 | Cheef-Daniel | abrotman: no, it should be included in cvsd nad I startet it with /etc/init.d/cvsd start |
| 22:39.33 | abrotman | so see why it's not starting? or is it? |
| 22:39.40 | mbroeker | Cheef-Daniel, i was unable to use cvsd this morning. my cvs segfaulted all the time. |
| 22:39.48 | ricosecada | its just my own desktop, dont want to need to type a password to shutdown, but thanks :-) |
| 22:40.21 | Cheef-Daniel | cvsd is starting fine, but I can not login from clients |
| 22:40.31 | abrotman | Cheef-Daniel: check the logs? |
| 22:40.32 | haier | <ricosecada> : what is your wm ? |
| 22:40.49 | davood | mgpaulus: let me ask again about the kernel and debian distru, |
| 22:40.53 | mbroeker | Cheef-Daniel, so your readers, writers and password files are set properly? |
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| 22:41.22 | ricosecada | haier, I use KDE, but I don't use kdm, so when I finish I return to the console |
| 22:41.59 | Bushmills | ricosecada: ctrl-alt-del :) |
| 22:42.01 | haier | ricosecada : oh yes i see |
| 22:42.15 | BlueToothz | what language is this |
| 22:42.17 | BlueToothz | www.dedibox.com |
| 22:42.21 | BlueToothz | italian right? |
| 22:42.43 | ricosecada | Bushmills, you misunderstand :-) |
| 22:42.49 | wols_ | BlueToothz: the .fr should be a big hint... |
| 22:43.02 | mbroeker | bluesceada, sounds french. parlez vouz francaise? |
| 22:43.11 | BlueToothz | wols_, , damnit i didnt even see it lol thanks im dumb |
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| 22:44.12 | mbroeker | and dedibox.fr is in connection to one of the better french programmers,(bellard or the other webcam guy...) |
| 22:44.18 | Seb | hrm, latest xorg broke my mouse's scrollwheel |
| 22:44.21 | Bushmills | mbroeker: vous |
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| 22:44.38 | mbroeker | Bushmills, thx i wasnt sure at all. |
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| 22:44.47 | Seb | xev reports the right buttons for it (the ones i defined with zaxismapping in xorg.conf) but it won't do scolling |
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| 22:45.51 | Seb | anyone ? |
| 22:46.14 | Cheef-Daniel | abrotman: cvsd.log shows nothing mysterious, readers and writers does not exist, password exist with my user. |
| 22:46.30 | willichan | Hello. I am looking for docs/tutorials for creating automated custom installs of Debian. |
| 22:46.45 | Cheef-Daniel | I have seen with strace, the config file is the first one which should be read |
| 22:47.05 | willichan | I have found many docs on creating live CDs, and have read through docs on creating custum install CDS, including http://wiki.debian.org/DebianCustomCD |
| 22:47.39 | DustyDingo | hm i got a severe problems after the last xorg update |
| 22:47.42 | mbroeker | Cheef-Daniel, ok: yesterday: cvs works fine. got an update from *.13 to *.14 ( cvsd ). worked fine. rebooted. cvs logout;cvs login; segfault. server process still active. but cvs client app segfaulted. no login possible. |
| 22:47.59 | Cheef-Daniel | cvsd runs as user 'cvsd', the config file belongs to this user to |
| 22:47.59 | willichan | I need to go a bit farther. I need to be able to configure the system to use our LDAP server for authentication, and mount the user dirs from the server. |
| 22:48.27 | DustyDingo | parts of my keyboard keys aren't working, though xev displays x keyboard events (which i can't verify) |
| 22:48.37 | willichan | I am planning to deploy this setup to about 30 users, and would love to automate the process. |
| 22:48.49 | willichan | Any ideas? |
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| 22:49.07 | DustyDingo | the windows key doesn't work as a modifier, no umlauts and no AltGr combinations |
| 22:49.18 | Cheef-Daniel | mbroeker: I didn't see any segfault here. Only the error message ..CVSROOT/config: Permission denied |
| 22:49.46 | DustyDingo | ctr+alt+F? doesn't work either |
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| 22:50.21 | DustyDingo | any tips where i can start to debug the problem? (debian unstable) |
| 22:50.31 | mbroeker | to make it short Cheef-Daniel: my cvsd works fine now: i reinstalled it. |
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| 22:50.32 | abrotman | Cheef-Daniel: might be in the auth log |
| 22:51.10 | Bushmills | willichan: as long as the installation is not final, or prone to be modified, I'd consider to net boot the clients, and run from a boot server, where programs are also stored. using the local hard discs as /home, possibly. |
| 22:51.37 | mbroeker | Cheef-Daniel, but cd /var/lib/cvsd && chmod -R cvsd:cvsd repository will do the same... |
| 22:51.56 | Bushmills | willichan: that assumes they are on the same LAN |
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| 22:52.28 | zck | hi |
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| 22:52.40 | spinach | http://tinyurl.com/d989r |
| 22:52.45 | strav | anyone here managed to get a working suspend on a compaq evo with kernel 2.6.23 and updated libs? |
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| 22:54.06 | zck | please, anybody knows how can I configure aptitude to not delete not often used packages ? |
| 22:54.10 | mbroeker | spinach, is that the cross-site-scripting vulnerability in ff? |
| 22:54.29 | spinach | no |
| 22:54.53 | Ronin | heh zck sounds like me a few months ago |
| 22:54.58 | babilen | hi all... our cups server went missing. it is not responding to anything (webinterface, lp* commands) |
| 22:54.59 | pipeline | strav: the most common problem with suspend/resume is driver trouble. Try removing modules one by one until it works :) |
| 22:55.25 | babilen | however i can restart it quite fine, it does not give any error messages... |
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| 22:55.36 | strav | pipeline, hehe ok thanks ;_) |
| 22:55.38 | babilen | any ideas on how to troubleshoot this? |
| 22:55.48 | zck | Ronin: and what did you do? |
| 22:55.56 | willichan | Bushmills: All clients will be on the same lan, or accessing via VPN. The company does not want to invest in a server hearty enough to run terminals. I would rather deploy the system to use the local machines horsepower, but store files centrally. |
| 22:56.17 | babilen | i checked with netstat, it is listening on port 631... it just does not answer anything... |
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| 22:56.30 | Ronin | zck: had a big arguement in here actually about it, cant remember though unfortinuatly how i worked around that flaw |
| 22:56.35 | mbroeker | Cheef-Daniel, does it work now? |
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| 22:57.01 | strav | pipeline, I'm reading the man of pm-suspend and it seems I can define a set of modules to unload before suspend... would you recommend I try this way of plainly modprobe -r the modules I suspect to bug me? |
| 22:57.05 | DustyDingo | <<< |
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| 22:57.36 | zck | ok, thx Ronin |
| 22:57.48 | zck | i'll use apt-get, so |
| 22:58.07 | pipeline | strav: no difference |
| 22:58.14 | Cheef-Daniel | no, still the same i rechecked all permissions but they are the same as defined in cvsd.conf |
| 22:58.23 | strav | pipeline, ok |
| 22:58.51 | peter_ | I have problem with sources.list. I have installed etch, then rm sources.list and cp my old sources.list to /etc/apt - right now when I start x, there is an icon of updater, but there is nothing I can upgrade |
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| 22:59.13 | Ronin | peter_: why did you delete the sources.list in the first place? |
| 22:59.16 | willichan | I have also considered using a disk image deployment, but I would either have to do a Knoppix style HW detection, or invest in systems that have consistant HW. New systems will not go past management well. |
| 22:59.39 | peter_ | Ronin, I had my old sources.list. I wanted to change it |
| 22:59.56 | eth01 | ...However, since the clamav version from Sarge cannot process all current |
| 22:59.56 | eth01 | Clam malware signatures any longer, support for the ClamAV in Sarge is |
| 22:59.56 | eth01 | now discontinued. |
| 23:00.03 | eth01 | opppps, sorry. |
| 23:00.06 | eth01 | but what?! |
| 23:00.22 | mbroeker | Cheef-Daniel, i would prefer this way: su -; dpkg-reconfigure cvsd; set a new chroot dir: cvs -d /var/spool/cvsd/public init; chmod -R 755 cvsd:cvsd /var/spool/cvsd/public and try again... |
| 23:01.24 | peter_ | Ronin, I have screenshot of something |
| 23:01.35 | peter_ | Ronin, www.winditup.ovh.org/zrzutekranu.png |
| 23:02.04 | peter_ | Ronin, sorry, my mistake |
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| 23:04.18 | Weng_ | Where does Debian set its environment variables by default? |
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| 23:05.21 | maddash_ | Weng_: depends on the variable |
| 23:05.28 | Weng_ | Okay. $PATH |
| 23:05.43 | maddash_ | Weng_: ${HOME}/.bashrc |
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| 23:06.11 | Bushmills | maddash_: can also be /etc/profile |
| 23:06.32 | dmaraio | d |
| 23:06.41 | Weng_ | Alright. So how would I go about setting up a path for a daemon user that doesn't have a shell? |
| 23:06.48 | maddash_ | Bushmills: didn't know that. what's the diff b/n /etc/profile and /root/.bashprofile? |
| 23:06.56 | Weng_ | nano /etc/profile |
| 23:06.58 | Weng_ | whoops |
| 23:07.01 | maddash_ | Bushmills: er, /root/.bashrc |
| 23:07.13 | Bushmills | maddash_: user dirs, mods and additions are done |
| 23:07.32 | peter_ | Ronin, "A error occured, please run Package Manager from the right-clic menu or apt-get on a terminal to see what is wrong. The error message was: 'Error: Opening the cache (E:Opening /etc/apt/sources.list - ifstream::ifsteam (13 Permission denied), E: the list of sources could not be read" |
| 23:07.37 | Bushmills | maddash_: the common base path is in /etc/profile |
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| 23:08.36 | Cheef-Daniel | mbroeker: I did like you described, now i can login. Now I have to find out where was the difference |
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| 23:09.46 | peter_ | wols_, hello are you there? |
| 23:10.18 | mbroeker | Cheef-Daniel, i investigated it 30 minutes this morning. Result: One coffee, 2 cigarettes. its over. copy your development directory to the new location and you are fine. |
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| 23:13.04 | mbroeker | Cheef-Daniel, my logfiles of the accident: tried it with cvsd -d ; http://rafb.net/p/70himK32.html |
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| 23:14.57 | agent | how do i remove all attachments from a maildir folder, without removing the emails? i use both kmail and mutt |
| 23:16.40 | dondelelcaro | agent: the attachments are an integral part of the messages, and in many cases, by doing that you'll be losing the content of the messages too |
| 23:16.59 | dondelelcaro | if you don't have space, your best bet is to use archivemail and archive the messages. |
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| 23:18.15 | agent | dondelelcaro: I was hoping for a mass removal mechanism in mutt of some sorts... i can remove the attachments in mutt (it has a special attachment menu), but only one email at a time... |
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| 23:19.35 | fignewton | is there a command/tool I can use to find out which files in /etc I've changed from the installed version? I'm mostly trying to track down the /etc/exim4/conf.d/ files I've tweaked so I can document it. |
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| 23:20.11 | wols_ | peter_: sorta, since I live here |
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| 23:20.34 | pickcoder | fignewton: use apt-get source to download the package source tree and then use diff on the various files |
| 23:20.46 | fignewton | also, anyone looking for a sysadmin/ops job in seattle? It's all debian |
| 23:20.47 | peter_ | wols_, I have problem with sources.list |
| 23:21.09 | Ronin | peter_: pick a channel and network |
| 23:21.10 | fignewton | pickcoder: I'm pretty sure the package manager keeps md5s of the config files. I was hoping there was a tool that would just use those. |
| 23:22.07 | Ronin | wols_: trying to update using an icon on thier desktop as a user basically |
| 23:22.32 | Cheef-Daniel | mbroeker: as soon as I did chmod -R 755 to my not working CVSROOT it started working. even with 700 it works. Only with -x it's not working. No I'm searching with is the file resulting in this error. |
| 23:22.56 | Cheef-Daniel | it must be one of the .#??? files |
| 23:23.43 | mbroeker | the cvsd server needs -x to access the directory itself. |
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| 23:23.47 | agent | fignewton: There has to be a way to do that since apt-get does it when updating a package to see if it should overwrite config files. How it is done, I do not know. |
| 23:24.13 | fignewton | agent: that's what I was thinking. I'm looking around in /var/lib/dpkg to see where that info is stored. |
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| 23:24.44 | fignewton | oh, there it is in /var/lib/dpkg/status |
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| 23:25.07 | methods | why does cyrus-imapd install postfix ? |
| 23:25.31 | epsilon | ask the maintainer |
| 23:25.45 | asmarin | are include or will be include mysql proxy on debian etch? |
| 23:25.49 | methods | obviously there is many mta's... |
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| 23:26.06 | infernix | i have an interfaces file with both an eth0 entry for ipv4 and ipv6. however, at bootup, i have to manually do an extra 'ifup eth0' to get the ipv6 interface initialized |
| 23:26.09 | infernix | auto eth0 is present in the file |
| 23:26.11 | infernix | what gives? |
| 23:26.39 | mbroeker | Cheef-Daniel, but we both have different problems. My Problem was a segfault in the cvs binary, your problem was a permission error. |
| 23:27.21 | Cheef-Daniel | found it |
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| 23:28.42 | Cheef-Daniel | this was causing the error: cd CVSROOT && chmod u+x .. . |
| 23:28.51 | Cheef-Daniel | ..I mean fixed it |
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| 23:29.19 | mbroeker | You got it, man! |
| 23:29.33 | Cheef-Daniel | thank you so much |
| 23:29.35 | pickcoder | methods: ask the cyrus-common-2.2 packager |
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| 23:30.48 | methods | its kidn of retarded |
| 23:30.51 | DRLIGHT | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:30.51 | DRLIGHT | \//\ \ ___\//\ \ \_\ \ ___ ___ __ ____ |
| 23:30.51 | DRLIGHT | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:30.53 | DRLIGHT | <PROTECTED> |
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| 23:31.07 | mbroeker | f*cking SP*mer. |
| 23:31.15 | IgorSobreira | http://dpaste.com/28599/ . anybdy could help me with this error? whats missing... :/ |
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| 23:31.30 | DRLIGHT | \//\ \ ___\//\ \ \_\ \ ___ ___ __ ____ |
| 23:31.43 | Cheef-Daniel | the whole time I looked for right permissions of the config file but it was the wrong permissins of '.' and '..', why couldn't the error tell me this :) |
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| 23:32.23 | mbroeker | IgorSobreira, you need some apache runtime devel package: apr-dev or similar. |
| 23:32.47 | pickcoder | methods: maybe there is a conflict with exim and existing packages you have |
| 23:32.49 | streuner | what a moron :-) |
| 23:33.17 | mbroeker | Cheef-Daniel, my chroot looks like this: http://rafb.net/p/2CvQoZ93.html |
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| 23:33.43 | methods | pickcoder: what do you mean ? i built exim on my own... bottom line installed an imap daemon should not depend on anything else |
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| 23:35.53 | pickcoder | methods: maybe the exim package was selected first but it had depends conflicts, so it moved on to postfix |
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| 23:36.51 | pickcoder | methods: then install an IMAP server and not a communication suite like Cyrus |
| 23:37.02 | methods | imapd has nothing to do with an mta.... !! |
| 23:37.08 | dondelelcaro | methods: is there any particular reason why you built exim on your own instead of using the Debian version of exim? |
| 23:37.40 | methods | dondelelcaro: dont go there |
| 23:37.45 | dondelelcaro | methods: we're already there |
| 23:37.46 | pickcoder | methods: review the depends list on dovecot-common versus cyrus-common-2.2 |
| 23:37.58 | fignewton | agent: This is what I ended up using: grep-status -s Conffiles -PX exim4-config | tail -n +2 | while read path md5 ; do echo -e "${md5} ${path}" ; done | md5sum -c |
| 23:38.03 | pickcoder | they're two different beasts so the requirements are different |
| 23:38.08 | pickcoder | if you want specifics go ask Cyrus |
| 23:38.11 | mbroeker | Cheef-Daniel, what kind of webfrontend do you use? |
| 23:38.11 | methods | pickcoder: the idea is to use the cyrus sweat except the mta which will be replaced by exim |
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| 23:38.29 | Cheef-Daniel | mbroeker: mine is looking the same except I have 700 rights on the development folder |
| 23:38.31 | dondelelcaro | methods: so then either use Debian's exim which provides mail-transport-agent, or use equivs to provide mail-transport-agent. |
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| 23:38.37 | Cheef-Daniel | no webfront at the moment |
| 23:38.52 | Cheef-Daniel | i use tortoise inwindows |
| 23:39.13 | dondelelcaro | (though if you really wanted to compile exim on your own, you should have started from the Debian packages, modified them appropriately, and then built your own custom versions) |
| 23:39.13 | methods | dondelelcaro: im not goin to use debians exim build... |
| 23:39.16 | mbroeker | i tried cvsweb this time, because its an easy to use cgi script. |
| 23:39.24 | dondelelcaro | methods: any reason why? |
| 23:40.00 | methods | dondelelcaro: im not going to sit here and write 20 pages to explain my self... if i have to ill build cyrus on my own which is what ill probably do in the end anyway.. |
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| 23:40.52 | dondelelcaro | methods: uh... it shouldn't take 20 pages to explain why you decided to spend more time and effort. Furthmore, I've already given you the solution to using your custom exim build: equivs. |
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| 23:41.43 | methods | dondelelcaro: you basically said to install some debian built mta just to make the deps happy ? thats a hack... its sloppy |
| 23:41.54 | abrotman | why not let him build cyrus .. he already built exim .. what's the difference |
| 23:41.55 | pickcoder | that's not what he said |
| 23:42.19 | dondelelcaro | methods: no, I said to install the debian built mta so that you wouldn't have to deal with security vulnerabilities and picking up the pieces of your custom install when you want to upgrade exim to a newer version |
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| 23:42.43 | dondelelcaro | methods: or, if you're fine with spending the time, use equivs to tell the dependency system that you've got a mail-transport-agent installed. |
| 23:42.43 | methods | debians exim builds were to confusing and restrictive and its more of a pain to edit the deb source of exim than it is to build from scratch |
| 23:43.13 | dondelelcaro | methods: uh... the Debian exim builds are capable of doing just about anything you'd want to do with exim... we do run rather huge installations using them, of course. |
| 23:43.13 | agent | fignewton: Good stuff! Good to see that you figured it out. |
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| 23:43.49 | methods | yes, the light version was to light, the heavy version was to heavy, and im developing a system here not something stupid for my house |
| 23:43.50 | dondelelcaro | methods: and you can always decide that you want to totally ignore the configuration system that exim uses, and use your own custom configuration |
| 23:43.58 | fignewton | agent: I'm sure there's a tool somewhere that already handles this. If not, there should be :) |
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| 23:44.30 | dondelelcaro | methods: I'm talking about uses of exim that handle millions of messages a day here, not piddly single user installations. |
| 23:44.48 | methods | bottom line if i want updated version of a package the debs are gonna be behind anyway |
| 23:44.52 | kawk | Can anyone help me out on a internet sharing problem? |
| 23:44.54 | agent | fignewton: I am sure there is, you would have to look at the aptitude/apt-get source code to see how it handles this. |
| 23:45.06 | abrotman | kawk: just ask |
| 23:45.10 | dondelelcaro | methods: *shrug*; best of luck then. I've given you both solutions. |
| 23:45.11 | kawk | Alright |
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| 23:45.13 | iKernel | apt-get moo |
| 23:45.20 | kawk | Here's the problem. |
| 23:45.27 | methods | dondelelcaro: i think equivs is what i was looking for... |
| 23:45.35 | methods | if its a way to tell it to stop looking for an mta |
| 23:45.51 | dondelelcaro | methods: obviously it is, otherwise I wouldn't have told you about it. |
| 23:45.58 | kawk | I have a simple setup, two laptops. The gateway laptop has two network interfaces, wlan0 and eth0. The client laptop has one interface, eth0. |
| 23:46.12 | abrotman | !tell kawk about ipmasq |
| 23:46.18 | dondelelcaro | !tell methods -about equivs |
| 23:46.26 | kawk | Alright, how do I set up ipmasq? |
| 23:46.29 | methods | thanks |
| 23:46.30 | kawk | It's installed |
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| 23:46.51 | kawk | But it ain't working |
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| 23:47.23 | kawk | both laptops are connected via a crossover cable |
| 23:47.34 | kawk | the client laptop can ping the gateway laptop |
| 23:47.42 | kawk | and vice-versa |
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| 23:47.46 | dondelelcaro | methods: I imagine in another few years you'll understand why I suggest using the Debian exim packages; pain is always the best teacher. |
| 23:48.14 | kawk | the eth0 interfaces are set up for static IP addresses |
| 23:48.19 | kawk | on both laptops |
| 23:48.21 | methods | WHAT PAIN ? |
| 23:48.29 | methods | exim is retardedly easy to build |
| 23:48.52 | kawk | so, any suggestions? I've googled ipmasq, with no luck |
| 23:48.52 | methods | and if you dont know how to build your critical software for your product i suggest you start |
| 23:48.53 | dondelelcaro | methods: you'll see |
| 23:49.05 | methods | ill see what ? |
| 23:49.17 | dondelelcaro | methods: I'm a Debian Developer; obviously I know how to build everything that's on my system. |
| 23:49.22 | kawk | I tried the instructions here: http://www.ubuntulinux.se/node/1293 |
| 23:49.29 | kawk | But still nothing |
| 23:49.40 | kawk | I've been trying for the last week or so |
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| 23:50.05 | methods | im new to debian so i didn't want to sit there and read 50 pages just to edit the exim-source and rebuild it |
| 23:50.11 | dondelelcaro | methods: you'll see that manually installing packages instead of modifying existing packages doesn't scale, and makes systems difficult to maintain. It's fine when you're dealing with single digit systems, but doesn't work when you're maintaining hundreds or thousands of them |
| 23:50.37 | methods | yes i know id rather rebuild the deb but im just working iwth a sandbox |
| 23:51.29 | dondelelcaro | methods: well, so just apt-get install build-essential fakeroot; apt-get build-dep exim4; apt-get source exim4; cd exim4-*; modify source; fakeroot debian/rules clean binary; |
| 23:51.49 | methods | have you looked in the debian folder of the exim4 source ? like wtf... such a simple build |
| 23:52.00 | dondelelcaro | what about it? |
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| 23:52.42 | savetheWorld | did you guys get spammed by DOCTORWHO in here recently? |
| 23:52.57 | methods | it was confusing like i said im not use to debian yet... on slackware i just make install to a temp location then use makepkg and bam i got a nice pkg. |
| 23:52.58 | dondelelcaro | savetheWorld: a DRLIGHT, atually |
| 23:53.11 | savetheWorld | dondelelcaro: ascii art? |
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| 23:53.17 | dondelelcaro | savetheWorld: yes, from dreamhost |
| 23:53.26 | dondelelcaro | (the bot killed it off) |
| 23:53.29 | savetheWorld | yup same guy |
| 23:54.02 | abrotman | methods: what are you trying to change in the debian/ directory? |
| 23:54.07 | methods | dondelelcaro: you need fakeroot to edit them ? |
| 23:54.12 | dondelelcaro | methods: no |
| 23:54.20 | dondelelcaro | methods: you just need it to build |
| 23:54.21 | methods | abrotman: didn't say i was |
| 23:54.31 | abrotman | <methods> have you looked in the debian folder of the exim4 source ? like wtf... such a simple build |
| 23:54.35 | abrotman | then why do you care what's in there? |
| 23:54.49 | methods | yes thats all the info .. your supposed to read it |
| 23:54.56 | dondelelcaro | methods: it does take some relearning, which is why I want to make sure you are at least aware of the right way to do things before you do things in a suboptimal way. |
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| 23:55.02 | simonrvn | it is a simple build |
| 23:55.03 | methods | idk thats what i read i was supposed to look at |
| 23:55.37 | simonrvn | ugh, bad grammar |
| 23:55.41 | methods | first of all the exim-config package i completely dont want |
| 23:56.39 | dondelelcaro | methods: you need it or a package which provides the exim configuration. |
| 23:56.57 | methods | dondelelcaro: from what i read about the exim4 pkgs you dont need it at all |
| 23:57.11 | dondelelcaro | (lots of large sites just have a package which provides exim4-config-2) |
| 23:57.58 | dondelelcaro | methods: you need something which Provides: exim4-config-2; that generally means exim4-config. |
| 23:58.53 | pickcoder | dondelelcaro: only if the exim4 package is installed |
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| 23:59.28 | dondelelcaro | pickcoder: only if exim4-base is installed, actually. |
| 23:59.45 | dondelelcaro | pickcoder: but since most everything exim4 depends on it... |
