| 00:00.01 | dondelelcaro | VincentC: only if AltGr is assigned to the ModeSwitch key, which I've no idea if it is. |
| 00:00.06 | jorgp | wow etch seems so much faster then ubuntu its crazy |
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| 00:00.47 | CutMeOwnThroat | I don't believe that :) |
| 00:01.03 | CutMeOwnThroat | 2nd time someone sais in here... but I still don believe it |
| 00:01.47 | mzanfardino | karsten: by changing the shell I've effectively disabled the account, no? |
| 00:02.19 | karsten | mzanfardino: Should prevent logins, yes, as well as anything which shells out as that user. |
| 00:02.21 | dondelelcaro | mzanfardino: from normal login methods, yes. |
| 00:02.44 | karsten | mzanfardino: You may want to check crontab, at, and batch job entries, both for that user and as 'sudo' or 'su' scripts. |
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| 00:03.14 | mzanfardino | karsten, dondelelcaro: ok, well, I'm not going to get too paranoid at this point. I don't think rootkits was installed. and I'm checking for anything associated with that user (as suggested) |
| 00:03.22 | CutMeOwnThroat | well, if it was only this account, his options are limited, as the homedirectory is not writable by the user |
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| 00:04.04 | dondelelcaro | mzanfardino: well, the general rule of thumb in such cases is unless you know *exactly* what the user ran, and that there are no local root exploits, you go conservative and reinstall the entire system. |
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| 00:04.48 | Vesperto | what am i doing wrong? Issuing "xmodmap .mapfile" won't change my keyboard map. I've checked the keycodes with xev, they're correct. I've checked the names for the letters in a website, they're valid. One of the lines in .mapfile is "keycode 39 = s S scircumflex Scircumflex ssharp section". This would mean i could get ŝ by pressing AltGr+s. The file is readable, issuing the comand has no effect, -verbose outputs as if the coman |
| 00:04.48 | Vesperto | d had worked (i tihnk). |
| 00:04.50 | CutMeOwnThroat | dondelelcaro: or you just don't care :) ... there are a lot of no-clue-no-care systems out there :) |
| 00:05.35 | karsten | Vesperto: In X or console? |
| 00:05.47 | mzanfardino | dondelelcaro: I agree, and that will be the next step, just not today. I will observe first and see what happens. The only thing I know for sure is that the user who logged in was attempting to ssh to other machines from this machine. Could have been a bot, I support or a port-forwarded address. |
| 00:05.51 | dondelelcaro | VincentC: 16:00:01 <dondelelcaro> VincentC: only if AltGr is assigned to the ModeSwitch key, which I've no idea if it is. |
| 00:06.03 | dondelelcaro | VincentC: you have to figure that out first. |
| 00:06.14 | mzanfardino | dondelelcaro: I will reassess the situation in a few days and decide whether or not to rebuild then I think |
| 00:06.42 | Vesperto | karsten: if it was in console xmodmap would complain about not having a display. In X, in gnome. |
| 00:06.59 | karsten | Vesperto: Just checking ;-) |
| 00:07.12 | Vesperto | :) |
| 00:07.13 | karsten | Vesperto: GNOME: all bets are off. Check gconf / gconf-editor |
| 00:07.37 | Vesperto | karsten: lets me choose my regular keyboard layout, but not fiddle with it, |
| 00:08.32 | CutMeOwnThroat | Vesperto: you might also look at xkeycaps for debugging |
| 00:08.41 | Vesperto | Oh, gconf-editor... Er, what is this, gnome's version of the registry? |
| 00:09.04 | Vesperto | CutMeOwnThroat: last time i used that i screwed up the map, fortunately it's per-session. |
| 00:09.33 | wols | Vesperto: more or less |
| 00:09.55 | karsten | Vesperto: Might try running a lightweight WM (eg: twm) and seeing if xmodmap works as expected there. |
| 00:10.06 | Vesperto | wols: how can i use that for my purposes? I used to issue xmodmap file and it would be enough. |
| 00:10.21 | Vesperto | karsten: will do, in fact i dislike the big ones. |
| 00:10.38 | wols | Vesperto: it still is. xmodmap stille xits and works |
| 00:11.21 | dondelelcaro | Vesperto: you've set the xmodmap correclty, but unless you've configured AltGr to be ModeSwitch, it isn't going to work. |
| 00:11.36 | Vesperto | dondelelcaro: that makes sense... how do i do that? |
| 00:11.45 | dondelelcaro | Vesperto: check xev, and see what AltGr and the charaters that you're entering do. |
| 00:11.53 | dondelelcaro | Vesperto: using xmodmap, presumably. |
| 00:12.39 | Vesperto | dondelelcaro: AltGr is keycode 113, would i use something like "keycode 113 = ModeSwitch" in the mapfile? |
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| 00:13.44 | Vesperto | dondelelcaro: AltGr works as modeswitch already. For Q, AltGr+Q produces @; AltGr+Shift+Q produces Ω |
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| 00:15.10 | dondelelcaro | Vesperto: inputing to where? |
| 00:15.32 | dondelelcaro | Vesperto: what does xmodmap -pke; output for whatever key is q? |
| 00:16.11 | Vesperto | dondelelcaro: keycode 24 = q Q at Greek_OMEGA at Greek_OMEGA |
| 00:17.43 | Vesperto | dondelelcaro: what i did is copy such lines altering the erd and 4th parameters to suit my needs, but the keys still procude their usual effects. |
| 00:17.52 | Vesperto | *3rd |
| 00:18.03 | Vesperto | (and i tried the 5th and 6th as well;)) |
| 00:18.17 | dondelelcaro | Vesperto: the 5th and 6th do nothing; where are you testing your input to? |
| 00:18.34 | Vesperto | dondelelcaro: xchat, terminal and gedit |
| 00:18.46 | Vesperto | It oughta be system-wide though... |
| 00:19.01 | dondelelcaro | I just wanted to check that you weren't using xterm to test it. |
| 00:19.16 | jorgp | hmm, I think debian installer stalled, on 75% storing language and is just sitting there for like 5 mins |
| 00:19.17 | dondelelcaro | Vesperto: and what does xmodmap -pke; output for s, say? |
| 00:19.29 | dondelelcaro | jorgp: you can check vt4 and see what it's doing. |
| 00:19.30 | Vesperto | dondelelcaro: karsten did that already ;) |
| 00:20.04 | jorgp | dondelelcaro: it says the following new packages will be installed locales |
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| 00:20.59 | Vesperto | dondelelcaro: however, xmodmap -pke does show the letters i wanted to alter as in deed altered, such as "keycode 39 = s S scircumflex Scircumflex ssharp section", but AltGr+s still produces ¢ (cent). |
| 00:21.46 | Vesperto | (no, c is ¢, s is ß) |
| 00:22.28 | jorgp | I dont see where its doing anything |
| 00:24.47 | dondelelcaro | jorgp: hrm... you can open up a terminal and see exactly what command is running |
| 00:24.55 | Vesperto | tomboy notes, pidgin, gedit, terminal, xchat, abiword (huh? damn gnome), OO.org's write... they all behave as if nothing changed, but xmodmap -pke reflects the changes. |
| 00:25.06 | jorgp | dondelelcaro: yeah apt-install locales |
| 00:25.27 | Vesperto | dondelelcaro: tomboy notes, pidgin, gedit, terminal, xchat, abiword (huh? damn gnome), OO.org's write... they all behave as if nothing changed, but xmodmap -pke reflects the changes. Maybe i'll take the suggestion from karsten and switch to a lightweight WM, i've been meaning to do that anyway. |
| 00:25.28 | dondelelcaro | jorgp: and no commands being run by apt-get? |
| 00:25.40 | dondelelcaro | Vesperto: well, the WM shouldn't affect it, actually. |
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| 00:26.14 | dondelelcaro | Vesperto: is AltGr assigned to any other characters? What does xev output when you type altgr+s or similar? |
| 00:26.19 | jorgp | dondelelcaro: yes, apt-get -y --no-remove install locales |
| 00:26.36 | jorgp | where does it put the file? |
| 00:26.38 | dondelelcaro | jorgp: right, that shouldn't take all that long, unless your network is really crappy. |
| 00:26.52 | dondelelcaro | jorgp: on the disk you've partitions |
| 00:26.57 | dondelelcaro | s/s$/ed/ |
| 00:27.12 | jorgp | dondelelcaro: taking this long, I would think locales is 100+meg |
| 00:27.39 | dondelelcaro | jorgp: no, it's not even 4M, iirc. |
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| 00:28.04 | dondelelcaro | jorgp: you can try just killing of that apt-get run from the terminal |
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| 00:28.10 | dondelelcaro | (or you can start the installer again) |
| 00:28.30 | dondelelcaro | jorgp: is this the stable installer? or the development one? |
| 00:28.37 | jorgp | stable |
| 00:28.51 | jorgp | official etch cd's |
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| 00:29.16 | dondelelcaro | yeah, those should work regardless. [I've never had that kind of problem with them personally.] |
| 00:30.00 | Ryan52 | whats the name of the comand line irc client (the most common one)? |
| 00:30.02 | jorgp | im gonna start it over |
| 00:30.10 | dondelelcaro | Ryan52: irssi-text. |
| 00:30.17 | Ryan52 | thanks |
| 00:30.29 | Vesperto | dondelelcaro: for altgr+s, nothing for the 1st keypress (altgr), then for s "XLookupString gives 2 bytes: (c3 9f) "ß"", which it outputs. What am i looking for? |
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| 00:31.25 | Zaerath | I am getting the following error on boot: siocsifaddr: no such device. |
| 00:31.26 | dondelelcaro | Vesperto: you're holding altgr and hitting s, right? |
| 00:31.31 | Vesperto | dondelelcaro: yes. |
| 00:31.50 | Vesperto | like i'd do with alt+tab |
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| 00:32.06 | dondelelcaro | hrm... yeah, I don't know then. Try #xorg or asking on debian-user |
| 00:32.23 | Vesperto | dondelelcaro: will do, thanks anyway. |
| 00:32.59 | Zaerath | I've tried running ifconfig -a and all it shows is low, and ifconfig eth0 up says no device found, any suggestions? |
| 00:33.03 | dondelelcaro | 1c00000 68 86 1 10886 5869 873421K 142K 873563K 3905 Firefox <-- aw yeah |
| 00:33.03 | wols | Zaerath: i asked you before and ask again: what NIC |
| 00:33.13 | wols | Zaerath: no one can help you until you can answer this |
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| 00:34.02 | jorgp | dondelelcaro: ok, starting it over |
| 00:35.46 | maddash | dondelelcaro: is that your firefox's memory usage? > 700M? |
| 00:35.49 | Zaerath | wols: One sec, I'll go look at the exact name, not that it should matter./ |
| 00:36.01 | abrotman | dondelelcaro: try harder! |
| 00:36.01 | dondelelcaro | maddash: that's how much memory it's allocated from X |
| 00:36.33 | jorgp | abrotman: wb, is it safe enough to upgarde etch to lenny right now? |
| 00:36.42 | abrotman | probably? |
| 00:36.45 | wols | Zaerath: all I want is the chip. not the "exact name" |
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| 00:36.55 | nvz | jorgp: install apt-listbugs |
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| 00:37.14 | jorgp | abrotman: I did not know if lenny is in the process of a package conversion or anything |
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| 00:37.20 | jorgp | nvz: thanks |
| 00:37.27 | dondelelcaro | jorgp: it always is changing... |
| 00:37.40 | Zaerath | wols: It is a D-Link DL10038D. |
| 00:38.01 | jorgp | dondelelcaro: strange enough it worked this time |
| 00:38.14 | dondelelcaro | jorgp: it's magick |
| 00:38.19 | jorgp | dondelelcaro: sure is |
| 00:38.31 | RyanRyan52 | I am using kde and when I log in, all of the applications that were up when I logged off come back up. How do I disable that? |
| 00:38.32 | wols | Zaerath: I did NOT ask for the card but the CHIP |
| 00:39.28 | wols | Zaerath: what is the lspci output fo it? |
| 00:40.53 | Zaerath | wols: One second, sorry it is in the other room. |
| 00:41.25 | jorgp | dondelelcaro: always changing, but is it trying to determine at which point other then release of course is a good jump in point |
| 00:41.41 | Ryan52 | nv, |
| 00:41.45 | Ryan52 | **nvm |
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| 00:43.03 | Zaerath | wols: 00:12.0 D-Link Inc. RTL8139 (rev 10.0) |
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| 00:43.20 | Zaerath | wols: With "Ethernet" in there as well. |
| 00:43.39 | wols | Zaerath: modprobe 8139too |
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| 00:43.51 | wols | and you really should upgrade to etch. sarge support will stop in april |
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| 00:44.37 | Zaerath | wols: It displays four lines, what info did you want? It shows the card model again, and IRQ 12. |
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| 00:45.05 | wols | Zaerath: I don't need any more info |
| 00:45.12 | Zaerath | wols: Alright thanks. |
| 00:45.15 | wols | after the modprobe you should have an interface |
| 00:45.27 | Zaerath | Alright, lemmie check. :) |
| 00:46.18 | Zaerath | wols: Excellent! Thanks for the help. Should I add 8139too to my modules list now? |
| 00:46.33 | wols | Zaerath: yes |
| 00:46.43 | Zaerath | wols: /etc/modules.d if I am not mistaken? |
| 00:46.46 | wols | Zaerath: /sbin/ifconfig -a shows eth0 now? |
| 00:46.53 | wols | just /etc/modules |
| 00:47.05 | Zaerath | wols: Yes it does, then I did /etc/init.d/networking restart and it grabbed the correct IP. Alrighty. |
| 00:48.00 | Zaerath | wols: Thanks for the help. |
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| 00:50.08 | Zaerath | While I'm in here, the machine also complained about Xorg not loading core devices, and I just noticed an error saying it could not module "psmouse" |
| 00:50.21 | Zaerath | load module* |
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| 00:52.34 | maddash | Zaerath: dpkg -l |grep xserver-xorg-input-mouse |
| 00:53.05 | abrotman | or leave out the |grep ? |
| 00:53.13 | Zaerath | ii xserver-xorg-input-mouse 1.1.1-3 X.Org X server -- mouse input driver |
| 00:53.51 | Zaerath | Without the grep it lists everyyyything. |
| 00:54.55 | Tramp | Zaerath: try it 8) (leave out the pipe as well) |
| 00:55.14 | maddash | Zaerath: grep -i mouse_ps2 /boot/config-`uname -r` |
| 00:55.16 | Zaerath | It displays a lot of different drivers. |
| 00:55.26 | Zaerath | maddash: Lists nothing. |
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| 00:56.19 | Zaerath | http://denizensden.com/dpkg.txt is the output of dpkg -l |
| 00:56.36 | maddash | Zaerath: 'ls -l /lib/modules/`uname -r`/kernel/drivers/input/mouse/ |
| 00:57.07 | Zaerath | ls: /lib/modules/2.4.27-2-386/kernel/drivers/input/mouse/: No such file or directory |
| 00:57.29 | maddash | Zaerath: you need a new kernel image that contains the psmouse module. |
| 00:57.30 | jorgp | WOW, 2.4 kernel |
| 00:57.43 | maddash | Zaerath: wow, a 2.4 kernel. |
| 00:57.54 | Zaerath | I use the 2.4 kernel because it's a Pentium II running at 433 MHz. |
| 00:58.11 | abrotman | that kernel has psmouse in it |
| 00:58.25 | maddash | Zaerath: 'modinfo psmouse' |
| 00:58.39 | Zaerath | modinfo: psmouse: no module by that name found |
| 00:58.41 | abrotman | it's not a module in 2.4 |
| 00:58.50 | maddash | abrotman: nice flip-flop |
| 00:58.59 | abrotman | what? |
| 00:59.09 | abrotman | i just said .. it's in the kernel .. how is that a flipflop ? |
| 00:59.31 | Zaerath | Lol, well would you recommend I upgrade it to 2.6? I figured it'd just be unwanted bloat, it does what I want on a 2.4 kernel. :P |
| 00:59.53 | maddash | Zaerath: the 'bloat' can be done away with 'menuconfig' |
| 01:00.03 | maddash | Zaerath: the kernel is far from bloated |
| 01:00.20 | maddash | Zaerath: do you know that there are WATCHES that run 2.6? |
| 01:00.23 | Zaerath | maddash: Well at this point I just don't see a reason to upgrade it. |
| 01:00.26 | Zaerath | Lol, I do know that. |
| 01:00.28 | abrotman | Zaerath: how much ram do you have? |
| 01:00.40 | Zaerath | abrotman: 128 MB. |
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| 01:00.56 | Zaerath | It's the only machine in my house with that little of RAM, lmao. |
| 01:01.03 | maddash | Zaerath: my P2 32M runs 2.6 (lenny, for that matter) fine |
| 01:01.07 | Zaerath | My server is literally my trash machine. |
| 01:01.15 | abrotman | Zaerath: grep MOUSE /boot/config-`uname -r` .. can you paste it somewhere ? |
| 01:01.16 | Zaerath | Ah, well then maybe I should, but what would be the real point? |
| 01:01.19 | Zaerath | Sure. |
| 01:01.43 | Zaerath | http://denizensden.com/grep.txt |
| 01:01.59 | streuner | dondelelcaro: my old SCSI solved that 2.2.x problem ;-) |
| 01:02.19 | kgoetz | anyone familar with logwatch? does it have a default time to run? th file /etc/cron.daily/00logwatch doesnt have standard crontab format |
| 01:02.23 | streuner | dondelelcaro: it worked like a charm, but... |
| 01:02.24 | maddash | psmouse is compiled INTO the kernel |
| 01:02.41 | abrotman | i said that |
| 01:02.47 | jorgp | long time ago |
| 01:02.48 | Zaerath | Then what is the problem here? :P |
| 01:02.56 | abrotman | i could take a guess ... :) |
| 01:03.02 | Zaerath | Only my X is having a problem, and my server doesn't REALLY need a GUI, but, bleh. |
| 01:03.40 | abrotman | Zaerath: is mousedev module loaded? |
| 01:03.45 | Tramp | kgoetz: It's a script run by run-parts, triggered from the /etc/crontab |
| 01:03.55 | Zaerath | abrotman: I modprobed it and it worked. |
| 01:04.02 | kgoetz | Tramp: thankns, i'll look into it |
| 01:04.04 | streuner | dondelelcaro: HD died |
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| 01:04.19 | Zaerath | It's not loaded in my moduels file, though. |
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| 01:04.20 | Tramp | kgoetz: unless you have anacron installed, which takes over and my fsck everything up.... |
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| 01:04.56 | kgoetz | Tramp: no, it doesnt seem to be installed |
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| 01:06.49 | kgoetz | so i take it "25 6 * * * root " should mean '06:25 am every morning? |
| 01:07.04 | kgoetz | if so, drat :/ |
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| 01:07.07 | Zaerath | So, any solutions anyone? |
| 01:07.20 | abrotman | Zaerath: did you try to start X again? |
| 01:07.38 | Zaerath | abrotman: Appears to be working, thanks! |
| 01:07.39 | jorgp | does lenny have gnome 2.20 in it? |
| 01:07.45 | streuner | no |
| 01:07.54 | streuner | !info gnome-session lenny |
| 01:07.57 | dpkg | gnome-session: (The GNOME 2 Session Manager), section gnome, is optional. Version: 2.18.3-1 (lenny), Packaged size: 543 kB, Installed size: 2680 kB |
| 01:08.01 | abrotman | Zaerath: put mousedev in your /etc/modules |
| 01:08.08 | Zaerath | abrotman: Yeah I did, thanks! |
| 01:08.08 | abrotman | jorgp: partially |
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| 01:08.59 | abrotman | streuner: that's cause most of 2.20 is in lenny |
| 01:09.06 | abrotman | !info gnome-about lenny |
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| 01:09.08 | dpkg | gnome-about: (The GNOME about box), section gnome, is optional. Version: 2.20.2-1 (lenny), Packaged size: 197 kB, Installed size: 316 kB |
| 01:09.17 | streuner | might be, that iam blind about features and stuff abrotman tell me :-) |
| 01:09.36 | streuner | hm, here we go, jorgp ^^^ |
| 01:09.42 | jorgp | just wondering, gnome 2.22 is supposed to hit beta 31 Jan |
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| 01:10.44 | jorgp | and even release on 28 Feb 08 |
| 01:11.08 | streuner | so its just a pitty it isnt in Debian, right? :-) |
| 01:11.27 | jorgp | not always |
| 01:11.27 | streuner | (it must be in Debian, before released)? |
| 01:11.32 | spldart | quick question... I'm trying to install deb sarge on ancient laptop... it has 48 meg... this appears to not be enough to finish install without a swap... there is no cdrom so I did boot.img, root.img and then netdrivers.img floppies but as it pulls down the base system if freezes, I asssume out of memory... is there an out? can't fit any more memory 48 meg |
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| 01:12.11 | streuner | jorgp: what kind of features do you expect what Debian doesnt have? :-/ |
| 01:12.21 | nvz | spldart: I've heard the newer installers need at least 64mb to get the job done |
| 01:12.25 | jorgp | none, debian has all the features in the world |
| 01:12.31 | nvz | however you seem to be able to run an install on a lot less |
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| 01:12.41 | nvz | I mean actually run an installed system |
| 01:13.11 | nvz | what would be ideal is to have a mini-ide to ide converter and be able to bootstrap it from a desktop |
| 01:13.38 | nvz | who the hell puts 48meg in a computer anyhow |
| 01:13.39 | amphi | spldart: 48MB should be much more than enough; IIRC the installer needs 12 or 16MB |
| 01:13.48 | nvz | chances are its got some dedicated to video |
| 01:13.55 | spldart | ... part of the reason I was trying sarge.. smaller install demand... smaller easier kernel being 2.4 class and better support for ancient hardware |
| 01:14.08 | nvz | and you might be able to get that back from the bios and/or use the bios area as NVram |
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| 01:14.15 | spldart | Old laptop.. max is 64... |
| 01:14.17 | jorgp | streuner: maybe a little less time from etch -> lenny vs sarge -> etch |
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| 01:15.46 | spldart | Pentium 1 and 1 gig hdd. just wanted base install + fluxbox and a few basic utils |
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| 01:16.51 | Wyzard | spldart: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch02s05.html.en |
| 01:17.04 | Wyzard | spldart: 48MB is the bare minimum, so theoretically it should work |
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| 01:17.31 | abrotman | it runs on less though |
| 01:17.36 | spldart | so it 'should' work |
| 01:17.50 | spldart | I wonder why it hangs at 82% of downloading base system |
| 01:18.21 | nvz | spldart: there are consoles two of which show progress adnd one is busy box iirc |
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| 01:19.03 | nvz | spldart: its probably unpacking something like libc that is big |
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| 01:19.30 | nvz | I think tty1-4 are enabled in D-I |
| 01:19.48 | nvz | 1 in BB, 2 and 3 are something like consolelog and 4 is d-i |
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| 01:20.26 | spldart | actually it got past libc but I don't remember where it hung right now.. restarting it now |
| 01:21.25 | nvz | try get more memory first |
| 01:21.29 | nvz | if you are restarting |
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| 01:21.46 | nvz | slap that old laptop BIOS around and make it give you something |
| 01:21.50 | nvz | and make a swap ffs |
| 01:22.04 | nvz | even if you got to make a swap file |
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| 01:22.56 | abrotman | jorgp: i've a 486 with 36MB running etch .. cause i can :) |
| 01:23.18 | jorgp | hehe |
| 01:23.30 | ApTek | abrotman: My old 486 laptop was retired some years ago. I still posess it, I just felt it was no longer worth bothering. :) |
| 01:23.51 | abrotman | ApTek: i don't use the machine for anything .. it was my pppd |
| 01:24.07 | spldart | I wanna give this to one of the kids |
| 01:24.11 | ApTek | abrotman: This was my "I can't afford an actual laptop but want to IRC in the TV room" project from around 8 years back. |
| 01:24.20 | abrotman | heh |
| 01:24.40 | ApTek | It likely has woody on it |
| 01:24.45 | nvz | thats basically what I bought a PocketPC for but now i use it for everything |
| 01:25.08 | nvz | I still havent found the best font for PocketPutty yet |
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| 01:25.55 | spldart | I really, REALLY, don't wanna hafta install windows 98se on this :~( |
| 01:26.34 | spldart | I got dsl running on it but it's so alien and it was hard to get basic stuff goin right |
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| 01:30.09 | spldart | Yah know... Why do I love linux so much? Why, when windows is capable of serving my needs, do I really prefer having linux serve me instead? I just love linux! Esp. debian.... |
| 01:31.03 | nvz | if you can't install debian on it then you don't know linux very well at all |
| 01:31.41 | nvz | I am telling you to make more memory available first see where the hell your ram is, cause 48mb doesn't sound like a very even ammount that would be in something |
| 01:31.50 | nvz | then there is swap and nvram |
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| 01:32.00 | abrotman | nvz: 48MB is normal .. it's a 32MB and 16MB module |
| 01:32.14 | amphi | it was quite common once |
| 01:32.14 | spldart | It's normal |
| 01:32.18 | nvz | and lastly there is a damn console to do all this and a lot more, like manually install/bootstrap |
| 01:32.19 | spldart | what abrotman said |
| 01:32.22 | spldart | it's an old armada |
| 01:32.47 | spldart | I thought language was frowned on... :confuzed: |
| 01:32.49 | abrotman | granted .. it can probably go to 64MB .. but whatever |
| 01:33.11 | waltz | how can I install the default config files for a package? |
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| 01:33.33 | amphi | spldart: language is embraced here ;) |
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| 01:33.50 | spldart | Ah |
| 01:34.02 | spldart | specific language :) |
| 01:34.31 | elmo40 | spldart: have you tried the lighter distros? DSL, Puppy and stuff like that? |
| 01:34.41 | elmo40 | i think DSL still uses 2.4.x kernel. |
| 01:34.53 | spldart | I guess I don't know linux very well... enough to design custom kernels for my tasks and setup iptables for my router but not much more than a user otherwise |
| 01:35.04 | spldart | dsl is instlaled... but it has issues and poor support |
| 01:35.07 | mbroeker | elmo40, they use a stock 2.4 kernel, yes. |
| 01:35.16 | spldart | I've run deiban for years so I know it much better |
| 01:35.20 | abrotman | !debootstrap |
| 01:35.20 | dpkg | it has been said that debootstrap is <caphuso> get the debootstrap source from http://packages.debian.org/debootstrap, compile it, read the man page, install debian with it </caphuso> Useful for installing in a <chroot>. http://people.debian.org/~walters/chroot.html, or see http://wiki.debian.org/Debootstrap, or key to Installing Debian GNU/Linux from a Unix/Linux System. See to the release specific Debian GNU/Linux Installation Guide for more details. |
| 01:35.23 | amphi | spldart: what makes you think the installer is running out of ram? |
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| 01:35.45 | waltz | how can I install the default config files for a package? is it possible? |
| 01:35.49 | amphi | spldart: did you not make a swap partition? |
| 01:36.09 | amphi | !tell waltz about confmiss |
| 01:36.15 | amphi | waltz: that perhaps |
| 01:36.16 | waltz | thanks |
| 01:37.04 | spldart | it downloads alot of the base install and get's to 82% and flat stops... that + very small ram led me to believe that memory was the problem |
| 01:37.48 | elmo40 | a 50 - 100mb swap would work wonders! |
| 01:37.59 | spldart | poop |
| 01:38.07 | amphi | spldart: heh, I read that as 'very small RAM LED' at first |
| 01:38.23 | spldart | mmMMmm Light Emitting Diode |
| 01:38.23 | amphi | spldart: you could try installing an older distro and dist-upgrading perhaps |
| 01:38.39 | spldart | older than sarge? hadn't thought of that |
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| 01:39.20 | spldart | Been running etch since 6 months before it's release... sarge seemed like it should be old enough... could be wrong though |
| 01:39.37 | abrotman | maybe you should try the etch installer? |
| 01:40.18 | spldart | really? on a late 90's laptop? |
| 01:40.21 | DdRmanxbxfr_Lapt | before sarge it's woody |
| 01:40.22 | amphi | spldart: I installed woody on a 32MB laptop (I'm pretty sure it was woody, could've been potato :) |
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| 01:40.59 | abrotman | spldart: i just told you .. i have etch running on a '94 desktop :) |
| 01:41.02 | spldart | I figured a 2.6 kernel alone would choke this thing.. and of course dropped support for old hardware may become a serious issue |
| 01:41.09 | spldart | hrmph |
| 01:41.35 | spldart | I have made special kernels for my amd k6-2 500's in order to reduce overhead.... maybe I can do that here too |
| 01:42.30 | spldart | I'm trying to surround my kids with both windows and linux as much as possible.. I think it will pay off in the long run |
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| 01:43.20 | Nyle | spldart: with hopefully less windows |
| 01:43.25 | Nyle | !windows |
| 01:43.25 | dpkg | PCs are like air conditioners, if you open Windows(R) they don't work. |
| 01:43.31 | spldart | LMAO |
| 01:43.34 | biopyte | hijay, folks. just setting up a new box with lenny. With 2 GB RAM, does a swap partition make any sense? |
| 01:43.38 | spldart | Most rigs are dual boot |
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| 01:43.50 | Nyle | biopyte: nah |
| 01:44.00 | biopyte | ok |
| 01:44.02 | Nyle | biopyte: depending on what you do |
| 01:44.02 | spldart | depends on how much you'll have open at any one time biopyte |
| 01:44.09 | spldart | but most likely you'l never need |
| 01:44.18 | Nyle | biopyte: if you NEED swap space, you can create a file and mount it as swap |
| 01:44.31 | abrotman | biopyte: depends on the box usage ... if you're running oracle ... it'd be a good idea |
| 01:44.32 | biopyte | standard stuff, nothing special |
| 01:44.37 | Nyle | biopyte: SWAP is RAM you wish you had. |
| 01:44.38 | spldart | I was adding ram to my work desktop today and noticed I almost never use the swap any more... only 756 |
| 01:44.40 | spldart | meg |
| 01:44.43 | abrotman | or if you're going to use suspend i guess |
| 01:44.44 | Nyle | fairly simple concept |
| 01:45.04 | biopyte | norton-, its a laptop, internet, openoffice, gimp etc. |
| 01:45.15 | spldart | good call... abrotman.. is it a laptop or desktop is agood prerequisite to that query |
| 01:45.26 | abrotman | whowhat? |
| 01:45.30 | VincentC | how can i increase the 'time spent idling before locking session'? |
| 01:47.42 | spldart | 2 gig ram.... desktop = prolly no swap, laptop = do you wanna suspend session and startup later where you left off? |
| 01:48.24 | biopyte | spdlart: good question, its my first laptop. |
| 01:48.34 | maddash | VincentC: how do you 'lock' the 'session'? |
| 01:49.03 | VincentC | i go to 'desktop' in the toolbar at the top and click lock screen |
| 01:49.05 | Tramp | why would anybody not want a swap partition with 120+ GB disks these days? |
| 01:49.10 | spldart | I ran across that info just today when I was making my decision on swap space after my memory upgrade on the desktop... laptop's treated different in this area |
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| 01:49.26 | VincentC | right now my screen is locked after ~15 minutes of idling |
| 01:49.29 | biopyte | spdlart:i think suspending is not so important to me. |
| 01:49.38 | abrotman | VincentC: just configure your screensaver |
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| 01:49.53 | sandman | How do I know if my Pentium4 has 64-bit functionality? |
| 01:49.59 | spldart | then your back to desktop decision process... no swap should be fine.. IIRC |
| 01:50.00 | VincentC | ah ok |
| 01:50.11 | sandman | I wanted to use debian-ia64 with it, but wasn't sure if it's actually possible at all. |
| 01:50.12 | VincentC | that does the trick, thanks |
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| 01:50.35 | amphi | sandman: ia64 is for itanic |
| 01:50.46 | biopyte | is there a way to display the partition information (size etc.) from a running system? |
| 01:50.49 | jwpaine | if I have interfaced defined for dhcp in /etc/network/interfaces how can I restart JUST eth0? is there not a network script for each interface? |
| 01:50.59 | spldart | df |
| 01:51.01 | amphi | biopyte: df -h? fdisk -l? |
| 01:51.15 | biopyte | ooh ... of course |
| 01:51.23 | biopyte | late |
| 01:51.42 | sandman | amphi: You mean, Itanium, the largely abandoned 64-bit ISA? |
| 01:52.52 | abrotman | sandman: no |
| 01:53.01 | abrotman | sandman: did your machine cost you 10k ? |
| 01:53.25 | DdRmanxbxfr_Lapt | :p |
| 01:53.32 | amphi | sandman: yes |
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| 01:53.54 | DdRmanxbxfr_Lapt | heheheh |
| 01:53.59 | struio | Hello, all time when I enter on my session/machine to do login, I see 'machine.(none)' how can I have only machine name without none? thanks. |
| 01:54.09 | amphi | abrotman: ia64 is not for itanium? |
| 01:54.21 | abrotman | i was disagreeing with the largely abandoned :) |
| 01:54.39 | DdRmanxbxfr_Lapt | struio, change the machine hostname |
| 01:54.54 | amphi | ah ;) |
| 01:54.56 | abrotman | struio: in debian ? |
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| 01:55.25 | struio | well, in two distros, gentoo & debian. |
| 01:55.36 | nvz | how would I configure the tabsize on a console editor? |
| 01:55.39 | struio | same problem, name need to be FQDN mandatory? |
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| 01:55.47 | nvz | it seems to do 8 spaces I'd rather it be 4 |
| 01:55.55 | abrotman | struio: it asked you for a domain name .. what did you put in? |
| 01:56.07 | struio | nothing, since I don't have one. |
| 01:56.08 | abrotman | nvz: which editor? |
| 01:56.18 | abrotman | struio: and in debian .. that wouldn't do (none) |
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| 01:57.10 | nvz | abrotman: nm, I figured it out :P |
| 01:57.17 | abrotman | ok |
| 01:57.20 | nvz | there was actually an option called tab size |
| 01:57.47 | nvz | I was doing some python in console with mped and IDLE normally does 4 for tabs, and mped was doing 8 |
| 01:58.02 | nvz | actually if python doesn't care I may make it 3 |
| 01:58.20 | nvz | na I guess 4 is alright |
| 01:58.21 | sandman | Okay, my system did _not_ cost me 10k |
| 01:58.24 | sandman | It's a Pentium4 |
| 01:58.31 | tw_ | Is there a way to call a remote script securely without ssh or http in a preferably connectionless way? |
| 01:58.33 | sandman | I'm just wondering a) how to find out if it supports 64-bit |
| 01:58.44 | abrotman | sandman: which P4 is it? |
| 01:58.50 | nvz | I've never spent 10k on the last 40 computers I had combined |
| 01:58.51 | sandman | And b) if it does, which binary distro of Debian. I know that there's Intel 64, which largely mirrors AMD64 |
| 01:59.06 | nvz | I've probably not paid more than about 1,000 on computer stuff ever |
| 01:59.06 | sandman | I was wondering if maybe I was supposed to use using AMD64 with an Intel 64 CPU |
| 01:59.13 | abrotman | sandman: wtf is "mirrors" ? |
| 01:59.15 | wols | sandman: you are a bit mistaken |
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| 01:59.17 | spldart | okies... back to "Loading components of the Debian installer" |
| 01:59.19 | abrotman | nvz: but you're a cheap bastard |
| 01:59.25 | wols | if mirrors means what I mean |
| 01:59.28 | nvz | abrotman: I make my shit pay for itself |
| 01:59.31 | abrotman | !cpuflags |
| 01:59.31 | nvz | or I do without |
| 01:59.33 | abrotman | !cpu flags |
| 01:59.35 | abrotman | bah |
| 01:59.37 | wols | sandman: what cpu do you have exactly? |
| 01:59.39 | y | anyone know offhand how to use mod_rewrite RewriteRules with absolute directories relative to server-side? |
| 01:59.42 | y | (#apache is dead) |
| 02:00.05 | y | I want to present documents that aren't in the webroot |
| 02:00.22 | jwpaine | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:00.33 | wols | sandman: /proc/cpuinfo could be a big help. it also tells you if it can do 64bit btw |
| 02:00.40 | abrotman | ifdown eth0 ; ifup eth0 |
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| 02:00.50 | spldart | I lockup at "Retrieving reiserfs-modules-2.4.27-3-386-di" |
| 02:01.05 | spldart | 82% |
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| 02:01.12 | abrotman | reiser kills everything! |
| 02:01.18 | abrotman | that was not meant as a joke |
| 02:01.19 | abrotman | sorry |
| 02:01.20 | jwpaine | abrotman: that won't initiate dhcp or other options set in /etc/network/interface will it? |
| 02:01.26 | spldart | uh oh |
| 02:01.35 | abrotman | jwpaine: or you can just dhclient eth0 |
| 02:02.17 | spldart | So this prolly isn't memory but perhaps part of the install process I"m locking up on? |
| 02:02.40 | jwpaine | I can see that wireless is working because iwlist scan lists all APs around my house.. but I can't seem to get wpasupplicant to connect to my WPA-encrypted AP :( |
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| 02:03.37 | sandman | My system is a Pentium 4 2GHz system |
| 02:03.42 | sandman | Not sure about the CPU defailts |
| 02:03.47 | Wyzard | jwpaine: If you're using GNOME or KDE, you should strongly consider using NetworkManager |
| 02:04.05 | amphi | sandman: P4 is 32bit AFAIK - I've never had one, luckily |
| 02:04.25 | sandman | It's an X86 Family 15 Model 2 |
| 02:04.32 | Nyle | p4 extreme edition is em64t capable |
| 02:04.51 | Nyle | amphi: pin |
| 02:04.53 | Nyle | heh |
| 02:05.00 | amphi | pon |
| 02:05.25 | jwpaine | Wyzard, is NetworkManager a GUI? I call it from the terminal but nothing happens... |
| 02:05.27 | amphi | 'extreme' eh? |
| 02:05.46 | Wyzard | jwpaine: NetworkManager itself is a daemon, but network-manager-gnome and network-manager-kde are its UI frontends |
| 02:05.54 | jwpaine | oh ok thanks |
| 02:06.01 | Nyle | hm |
| 02:06.09 | Wyzard | jwpaine: Remove your network cards' entries from /etc/network/interfaces if you want NetworkManager to manage them |
| 02:06.21 | Wyzard | jwpaine: (Just leave the entry for "lo") |
| 02:06.38 | jwpaine | I do not have network-manager-gnome installed... what package would this be? |
| 02:06.53 | Wyzard | That's the name of the package |
| 02:07.26 | tw_ | y: I don't think it's supposed to let you do that with mod_rewrite. You're probably better off symlinking it in. |
| 02:07.56 | Wyzard | sandman: you could download the AMD64 businesscard CD (which is pretty small and shouldn't take long to download) and attempt to boot it |
| 02:08.14 | Wyzard | sandman: If your processor isn't 64-bit-capable, it should fail with a message to that effect |
| 02:08.52 | Wyzard | sandman: I'm looking at /proc/cpuinfo from a 32-bit kernel running on a 64-bit-capable processor, and I don't see anything that indicates the 64-bit capability when running in that mode |
| 02:08.53 | jwpaine | how is network-manager-gnome initiated? the package is installed... but when I do a "locate" I can't find the binary, and it's not in my path as root...... |
| 02:09.08 | biopyte | ok. i thought about it. maybe on a laptop a swap partition isnt a failure because of 'suspend'. how much space should i spen for a swap in order to suspend? |
| 02:09.14 | Wyzard | jwpaine: The binary is called "nm-applet" |
| 02:09.14 | catsup | jwpaine: locate uses a db which is updated only daily at 6am |
| 02:09.34 | jwpaine | that's why I did "updatedb" :P |
| 02:09.39 | catsup | ah, well, see Wyzard |
| 02:09.48 | jwpaine | thanks |
| 02:09.49 | Wyzard | jwpaine: I think it might run automatically the next time you log in, but you can also just run it manually now |
| 02:10.05 | catsup | btw try dlocate next time |
| 02:10.28 | y | tw_ can I symlink a whole directory? |
| 02:10.42 | spldart | UGH!!!! .... this a mirror's issue!!! |
| 02:10.45 | tw_ | You can just symlink the directory into your current tree, yes. |
| 02:10.47 | jwpaine | hmm... GnomeUI-WARNING **: while connection to session manager: authentication rejected, reason: none of the auth protos specified are supported and host-based auth failed |
| 02:10.48 | Wyzard | jwpaine: It'll give you an icon in your tray (or "notification area" or whatever it's called... the area where programs put small status icons) |
| 02:11.02 | Wyzard | jwpaine: Are you trying to run it as root or something? |
| 02:11.02 | tw_ | ln -s /starting/directory /path/to/webroot/newdirectory |
| 02:11.22 | y | tw_ you get what I am trying to do, yes? You think that's best way? |
| 02:12.03 | tw_ | I think it's probably what you want to do. |
| 02:12.09 | jwpaine | ok, well as a normal user nm-applet does not doing anything... I call it but it just sits there until I ctrl-c |
| 02:12.26 | y | I want it so myhostdomain.com/clients/clientdomain serves clientdomain.com tw_, without awkwardly putting the clientdomains in the webroot of the hostdomain |
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| 02:13.04 | catsup | y: there's a question in the apache FAQ that handles that case |
| 02:13.05 | jwpaine | and the package was already installed.... and I didn't get any icon |
| 02:13.05 | tw_ | y: oh, uhm, hold on, have you tried mod_userdir? |
| 02:13.06 | catsup | iirc |
| 02:13.22 | y | I haven't, tw_. |
| 02:13.47 | Wyzard | jwpaine: Do you have a notification area on your panel/kicker? |
| 02:13.57 | Wyzard | jwpaine: (Which are you using, GNOME or KDE?) |
| 02:14.10 | jwpaine | gnome |
| 02:14.35 | tw_ | y: Give it a quick look. That might do exactly what you want. It does username to to directory translation. |
| 02:15.04 | catsup | userdir doesn't do virtual hosts |
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| 02:15.10 | catsup | unless you do some magic |
| 02:15.20 | jwpaine | and notification area is in the taskbar |
| 02:15.32 | tw_ | True, but if you structure the filesystem correctly, it doesn't matter. |
| 02:16.14 | Wyzard | jwpaine: oh, I think you need to be in the "netdev" group too |
| 02:16.21 | Wyzard | jwpaine: (which requires logging out and back in to take effect, unfortunately) |
| 02:16.37 | Wyzard | jwpaine: That's the group that gives non-root users permission to configure network interfaces via NetworkManager |
| 02:16.39 | y | tw_ cool. but its not possible with willdcards? |
| 02:16.45 | jwpaine | so just gpassed add myself to the netdev group? |
| 02:17.11 | jwpaine | be back soon |
| 02:17.46 | sandman | What kind of flags am I looking for in hte output of /proc/cpuinfo to tell if it's 64-bit? |
| 02:18.14 | catsup | y: http://httpd.apache.org/docs/2.2/mod/mod_vhost_alias.html |
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| 02:18.49 | catsup | (I didn't scroll up to see your question so maybe that's not what you want) |
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| 02:19.48 | tw_ | catsup: that won't accept ../ will it? |
| 02:20.06 | catsup | tw_: i'm not sure what you mean |
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| 02:20.23 | y | here is question again: |
| 02:20.26 | y | I want hostname/clients/clientdomain.com to pull up the content of clientdomain.com. but Rewrite rules don't seem to work because I don't want clientdomains in the webroot of hostdomain. |
| 02:20.43 | catsup | y: ya, well, see that url then |
| 02:20.53 | tw_ | It can translate the GET into a strange directory, but if you are pulling out the / delimited values, if you toss in .. won't it... cd down? |
| 02:20.55 | dondelelcaro | y: rewrite with a proxy will work, actually. |
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| 02:21.33 | dondelelcaro | y: though you'd generally just have hostname/clients/clientdomain.com redirect to clientdomain.com |
| 02:21.53 | y | I don't want redirect. |
| 02:21.59 | y | because the domain itself may not be publically served. |
| 02:22.10 | dondelelcaro | y: then proxy it |
| 02:22.11 | catsup | mod_vhost_alias is specifically designed for this purpose |
| 02:22.14 | tw_ | dondelelcaro: usually you do that as a temporary measure, like the dns isn't currently working. |
| 02:22.27 | tw_ | mod_vhost_alias will do exactly what y wants. |
| 02:22.41 | y | hmpf. i willl read up. |
| 02:24.03 | y | jeez. RewriteRules just need to work absolutely, too. |
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| 02:24.13 | y | then all of earth's problems would be solved. |
| 02:24.17 | dondelelcaro | perhaps I'm not understanding what y wants, but mod_vhost_alias won't handle turning http://foohost/clients/clientdomain.com into serving clientdomain.com |
| 02:24.29 | y | not servinv cllientdomain, serving the contents of cllientdomain |
| 02:24.39 | lorian | .. |
| 02:24.45 | y | (aka not redirecting) |
| 02:24.50 | dondelelcaro | it won't do that either |
| 02:24.59 | lorian | hi |
| 02:25.24 | y | hmmm. |
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| 02:25.41 | jwpaine | Still can't get nm-applet gui to load |
| 02:25.42 | y | how about mod_userdir, dondelelcaro? |
| 02:25.42 | catsup | if you want what dondelelcaro says use proxy rewrite i guess |
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| 02:25.48 | jwpaine | I am in the netdev group |
| 02:26.17 | y | also: why won't it work? 3 ppll have suggested it. |
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| 02:26.53 | catsup | y: it's not clear to me from what you said whether you want what dondelelcaro says you want or not |
| 02:27.20 | y | I don't know what else I can say to make it clear |
| 02:27.36 | y | I want www.hostdomain.com/client/x to serve up /var/www/x/webroot |
| 02:28.10 | catsup | when you say, "I want hostname/clients/clientdomain.com ..." it's not clear whether hostname/clients/clientdomain.com is an URL or a path |
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| 02:28.42 | y | i see. |
| 02:28.59 | y | i think i might have removed my previous ambiguity =) |
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| 02:29.07 | Azar | hello honorables! |
| 02:29.48 | jwpaine | Isn't there supposed to be a gnome--->system_tools---->settings? |
| 02:29.59 | y | what do ya think, catsup? |
| 02:30.00 | catsup | y: if www.hostdomain.com/client/x is a path then mod_vhost_alias suffices for your purpose |
| 02:30.04 | catsup | erm |
| 02:30.08 | catsup | s/path/URL ! |
| 02:31.18 | dondelelcaro | y: so RewriteRule client/([^/]+)(.+) /var/www/$1/webroot/$2 or whatever is appropriatea |
| 02:31.22 | y | its not a path its a url! see www? =) |
| 02:31.43 | y | dondelelcaro I tried that. it doesn't work because it looks for http://www.domain.com/var/www/$1....... |
| 02:32.05 | y | I want http://domain.com/clients/x/ to bring up /var/www/x/webroot. |
| 02:32.21 | y | oh read your s/path/URL. crisis averted =) |
| 02:32.25 | y | catsup ^ |
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| 02:32.38 | catsup | y: i think it should be possible to use mod rewrite also, but that is unnecessarily complicated |
| 02:32.49 | y | I wish I could. I love mod_rewrite |
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| 02:35.50 | dondelelcaro | y: uh... unless you're using R or that directory doesn't exist, it uses absolute paths. |
| 02:35.59 | dondelelcaro | y: turn on the rewrite logs, and see what is actually happening. |
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| 02:36.44 | biopyte | almost done with the installation. configuring 'uswusp' . dont know what to do. cont without valid swap partition <yes> or <no>? |
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| 02:37.57 | dondelelcaro | biopyte: that's the suspend bit; if you don't have a valid swap partition, just go yes. |
| 02:38.11 | biopyte | already presse 'no' |
| 02:38.17 | biopyte | pressed |
| 02:38.32 | dondelelcaro | *shrug*; doesn't really matter. |
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| 02:39.02 | biopyte | ok |
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| 02:49.43 | Ryan52 | I have 2 computers that share a home directory over nfs. Iceweasel won't run on both computers at the same time becasue of the lock file. Is there any way to fix this? |
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| 02:50.09 | |rat| | Hi |
| 02:50.25 | |rat| | Does anyone has used mldonkey? |
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| 02:53.11 | |rat| | somebody... |
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| 02:55.04 | elmo40 | Ryan52: what do you mean lock file? |
| 02:55.40 | elmo40 | you mean, you are loging in twice, and using the same /home directory? |
| 02:56.05 | Ryan52 | .mozilla/firefox/***/lock is created when firefox starts and is destroyed when firefox exits. |
| 02:56.16 | Ryan52 | if it sees it exist it will not start again |
| 02:56.28 | Ryan52 | and yes, I have 2 comps that get the /home from my nfs server |
| 02:56.43 | Ryan52 | so if i log in on both I can only use iceweasel on one at a time |
| 02:57.08 | wols_ | !tell |rat| about anyone |
| 02:58.38 | |rat| | wols_: I want to know whether you can do the same as the lphant. Download the same file from a torrent and a link at the same time... |
| 02:58.56 | |rat| | I read on the web site that is possible. But I want to know how. |
| 02:59.14 | VincentC | Ryan52: i tihnk i had a similar problem at school with Firefox |
| 02:59.36 | Ryan52 | Did u fix it? |
| 02:59.43 | |rat| | I want to add a ed2k source to a transfer already going from a torrent or viceversa |
| 02:59.48 | VincentC | Ryan52: i deleted the locked file and everything was ok |
| 03:00.05 | Ryan52 | yes, but everytime you start firefox it creates the lockfile |
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| 03:00.34 | elmo40 | wols_: and somebody ;) |
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| 03:01.07 | Tramp | Ryan52: create a second profile and use that? |
| 03:01.20 | Ryan52 | okay, thanks Tramp |
| 03:01.57 | elmo40 | Ryan52: there may be a way to create a unique lock file, according to the PID number? Try to google that. |
| 03:02.19 | Ryan52 | okay, thanks elmo40 |
| 03:02.23 | Tramp | Ryan52: because if two instances shard the same profile, you would probably fuck up your bookmarks, cookies (if you use them) and a gazillion other data too. |
| 03:02.48 | Ryan52 | well, I want the bookmarks and setting shared |
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| 03:03.53 | Tramp | Ryan52: I doubt that this is possible - that's why it's locked. |
| 03:04.21 | Ryan52 | that would make sense |
| 03:04.21 | |rat| | wols_: I think that when nobody knows, usually do this kind of thing. You obviously know use IRC, but you do not know how to answer my question, right? |
| 03:05.18 | wols_ | do what kind of thing? |
| 03:06.27 | abrotman | steal stuff :) |
| 03:06.28 | wols_ | I especially know how to not get in trouble, like admitting to know about software that is primarily used for copyright infringement it seems |
| 03:06.41 | wols_ | in a public channel to boot |
| 03:07.23 | wols_ | abrotman: I think he's more pissed at the !anyone towards him. but stupid questions deserve a factoid since larts are so hard to administer |
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| 03:08.17 | wols_ | knowing about it implies usage. and p2p software has been declared illegal before |
| 03:08.24 | y | dondelelcaro my log says "^client/([^/]+)/(.*)$' to uri 'var/www/clients/domain.com/web/" |
| 03:08.39 | y | I'm worried about the missing / in front of 'var'? |
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| 03:09.11 | HolyAvenger | Hi |
| 03:09.13 | Wyzard | I haven't heard of any cases of the software itself being declared illegal, but the world is a big place |
| 03:09.24 | HolyAvenger | Anyone knows how to access my second partition? |
| 03:09.32 | HolyAvenger | sorry, that was SOOOOOO badly explain |
| 03:09.34 | abrotman | what's on it ? |
| 03:09.36 | HolyAvenger | let me rephrase |
| 03:09.42 | HolyAvenger | I have 2 HDDs |
| 03:09.57 | HolyAvenger | I can see File System on my desktop |
| 03:10.03 | HolyAvenger | how can I access the other HDD? |
| 03:10.10 | wols_ | Wyzard: grokster or what it was called |
| 03:10.17 | |rat| | Not necessarily using networks p2p leads to an illegal action |
| 03:10.20 | HolyAvenger | fdisk -l shows that I have two of them |
| 03:10.21 | maddash | "knowing about it" does not implies usage. |
| 03:10.25 | maddash | imply* |
| 03:10.29 | jwpaine | my sound works perfectly.... but I can't seem to adjust the sound volume with alsamixer nore the gnome sound settings...... it's stuck on a very loud sound level |
| 03:10.56 | wols_ | rage: let's just say the Recording ASS of America has more money for lawsuits than I do |
| 03:11.25 | HolyAvenger | Anyone knows what can this issue be? |
| 03:11.29 | HolyAvenger | "issue" |
| 03:11.42 | Wyzard | wols_: The RIAA can't sue you unless they have evidence that you infringed a copyright of theirs |
| 03:11.50 | Wyzard | wols_: Being afraid to even talk about P2P software seems a bit paranoid to me |
| 03:11.58 | wols_ | Wyzard: you kinda dream |
| 03:12.33 | maddash | jwpaine: perhaps you're using /dev/dsp instead of the appropriate mixer? |
| 03:12.54 | HolyAvenger | CDROM: Check - Trash CHECK - File System: Check - Second HDD: =( |
| 03:12.56 | wols_ | yesterday there was a news where an ISP gave out the wrong IP (mixed numbers) to a lawyer suing people for infringing. the guy who was the target had to hire a lawyer to defend himself even when it was not guilty at all. |
| 03:13.10 | jwpaine | maddash: how do I check that? |
| 03:13.11 | |rat| | Or simply this angry, just because I told them not wise as speaking |
| 03:13.12 | Tramp | HolyAvenger: So you just installed a 2nd HD or what? |
| 03:13.22 | HolyAvenger | It was in when I installed |
| 03:13.27 | HolyAvenger | Debian |
| 03:13.36 | wols_ | he then wanted to be reimbursed for the money that cost. hat to file a lawsuit of its own to get it eevn. court had to make a decision even when the attacking lawyer was clearly wrong |
| 03:13.36 | Wyzard | wols_: Well, fair enough, anyone can sue you for anything, but (aside from accidents like that) they're not going to try if they have no chance of winning |
| 03:13.52 | Tramp | HolyAvenger: does fdisk -l show two HDs? |
| 03:14.14 | maddash | jwpaine: depends on what is "still so very loud" |
| 03:14.32 | Wyzard | wols_: and the RIAA knows better than to think it can win a copyright-infringement case against someone who did nothing but mention once on IRC that he knows what eDonkey is |
| 03:14.53 | spldart | getting dma errors during boot into 2.4 27-586tsc kernel... how do I disable dma and just default straight into pio... the old laptop guy |
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| 03:15.05 | HolyAvenger | Tramp: http://190.172.95.215/fdisk%20-l.odt |
| 03:15.42 | maddash | haha, odt |
| 03:15.55 | HolyAvenger | =p |
| 03:16.06 | maddash | HolyAvenger: why, oh why, would you paste in odt format? |
| 03:16.09 | Tramp | HolyAvenger: uh. Save it as txt please |
| 03:16.18 | maddash | it's just...idiotic. |
| 03:16.30 | HolyAvenger | or done without checking |
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| 03:16.58 | |rat| | Why do you think not demand to sites like rapidshare?. It is that they can not prove that the services are used exclusively for piracy |
| 03:17.19 | HolyAvenger | http://190.172.95.215/fdisk%20-l.txt |
| 03:17.38 | abrotman | |rat|: which version of debian are you using? |
| 03:18.12 | maddash | "debian studio" |
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| 03:18.23 | abrotman | that's not debian |
| 03:18.26 | maddash | haha. |
| 03:19.02 | Tramp | HolyAvenger: Good. Your disk is known. What gives "file -s /dev/hdb1" |
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| 03:19.30 | |rat| | abrotman: etch |
| 03:19.44 | HolyAvenger | it gives: /dev/hdb1: Linux rev 1.0 ext3 filesystem data |
| 03:19.46 | abrotman | |rat|: dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1 |
| 03:20.24 | Tramp | HolyAvenger: good. It's even formatted properly. |
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| 03:20.45 | Tramp | HolyAvenger: and "grep /dev/hdb1 /etc/fstab"? |
| 03:20.58 | HolyAvenger | then ... how do I access it? I see no link to it and d: does not work =p |
| 03:21.25 | maddash | abrotman: why? |
| 03:21.31 | abrotman | who? |
| 03:21.36 | hikenboot | greetings all! Hope someone might know how to mount raw qemu made disk files so I can format them with freedos? |
| 03:21.36 | HolyAvenger | Tramp: Nothing. |
| 03:21.39 | maddash | abrotman: dpkg -l libc6 |
| 03:21.47 | Tramp | HolyAvenger: Good. So it is not mounted. |
| 03:21.50 | abrotman | why not? |
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| 03:22.09 | HolyAvenger | Tramp: Sorry about this. Translation please? =p |
| 03:22.22 | Tramp | HolyAvenger: Do you have a directory "/mnt" and is it empty? |
| 03:22.34 | maddash | abrotman: how do you solve his e2dk problem with libc6? |
| 03:22.47 | HolyAvenger | Tramp: Yeah. |
| 03:22.51 | VincentC | sorry stupid question but if i'm running sshd on a different port, will i need to configure my router to port foward ports 22 and the new port? |
| 03:22.54 | Tramp | HolyAvenger: Just stay with me, we are on the right track 8) |
| 03:22.59 | abrotman | maddash: fine .. you help him .. |
| 03:23.09 | Tramp | HolyAvenger: Good. are you root in the terminal you're working from? |
| 03:23.20 | Wyzard | VincentC: Why are you running sshd on a different port? |
| 03:23.21 | jetscreamer | or just configure ssh to use another port |
| 03:23.22 | maddash | abrotman: I wasn't being critical, just curious |
| 03:23.28 | HolyAvenger | Tramp: Yes, it thought it was something up with my user. |
| 03:23.45 | VincentC | as a security precaution |
| 03:23.52 | Tramp | HolyAvenger: run "mount /dev/hdb1 /mnt" |
| 03:23.59 | VincentC | it was recommended in some articles i've been reading |
| 03:24.00 | abrotman | maddash: i'm still waiting for his answer .. sure is taking him awhile .. wonder why that is |
| 03:24.01 | Wyzard | VincentC: Against connections from "outside"? |
| 03:24.08 | VincentC | yeah |
| 03:24.25 | |rat| | abrotman: the output say the version and something like: Biblioteca de C de GNU: Bibliotecas compartidas. In Spanish of course... |
| 03:24.26 | maddash | abrotman: because he's not using debian in the first place, so he and his question aren't even remotely relevant here. |
| 03:24.39 | HolyAvenger | Tramp: mind if I ask, what would it do? I'd like to learn, not just mimmick (please take no offense, this was not the intention) |
| 03:24.40 | abrotman | maddash: yes .. i realize that |
| 03:24.48 | Wyzard | VincentC: then it doesn't matter what port sshd listens on internally (22 is fine) as long as you configure the router to configure your chosen external port to the correct internal one |
| 03:24.49 | abrotman | |rat|: i want the version number |
| 03:25.06 | Wyzard | VincentC: i.e. you could have external port 2222 forwarded to port 22 on the machine where sshd runs |
| 03:25.11 | Tramp | HolyAvenger: It would mount the disk(partition) to /mnt, so you can use it. |
| 03:25.41 | stiv2k | hey is it possible / easy to crack a WPA2-PSK encryption? |
| 03:25.41 | HolyAvenger | Tramp: So, all this time I had 120GB free because I was unable to access it? |
| 03:25.42 | Tramp | HolyAvenger: If this works, you will umount and add an entry to /etc/fstab, so it will be mounted on boot |
| 03:25.46 | VincentC | oh ok i think i suddenly realize what port fowarding is all about lol |
| 03:25.47 | VincentC | thanks |
| 03:25.47 | |rat| | 2.3.6 |
| 03:25.55 | Tramp | HolyAvenger: most probably yes |
| 03:26.03 | |rat| | 2.3.6.ds1-13etch2 |
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| 03:26.15 | HolyAvenger | Tramp: mount /dev/hdb1 /mnt did nothing |
| 03:26.23 | Wyzard | stiv2k: WPA2 is susceptible to offline brute-forcing, which is an issue if you use a weak passphrase |
| 03:26.26 | Tramp | HolyAvenger: good. Now look in /mnt |
| 03:26.40 | Wyzard | stiv2k: Assuming your passphrase is strong, it's quite secure AFAIK |
| 03:26.41 | wols_ | stiv2k: possible yes, easy, sometimes if the wrong password is chosed |
| 03:26.44 | wols_ | *chosen |
| 03:26.51 | HolyAvenger | Tramp: NEW FOLDER! |
| 03:27.03 | maddash | Wyzard: what is strong, besides non-dictionary passphrases? |
| 03:27.06 | stiv2k | Wyzard: well heres the story me and my neighbor were having a discussion about WEP vs WPA and i was advising him to use WPA because its far superior. I dont quite understand his response which was this |
| 03:27.07 | wols_ | stiv2k: it's the best wireless encryption right now basically |
| 03:27.10 | stiv2k | "One can break into WPA as well so nothing is infinitely strong and safe." |
| 03:27.17 | Tramp | HolyAvenger: Yes, "lost+found". This is an automatically created one. It shows, that everything is fine. |
| 03:27.29 | Wyzard | stiv2k: http://www.diceware.com/ -- 7 words is recommended for wireless passphrases |
| 03:27.50 | wols_ | stiv2k: it isn't but thereis a difference if you need traffic from 2 years to break in or can force traffic to get in in 10 minutes |
| 03:27.51 | Wyzard | stiv2k: "strong" in this case is "not feasible to brute-force" |
| 03:27.53 | stiv2k | Wyzard: wols_: I just dont understand what he was trying to say... I mean I use a 504 bit 63 character key |
| 03:28.03 | stiv2k | iirc isnt that basically foolproof? |
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| 03:28.12 | HolyAvenger | Tramp: Can I delete it safely? Does this mean that, unlike windows, it shows my second drive as in a "dependency" of sorts of my FileSystem Drive? |
| 03:28.13 | Tramp | HolyAvenger: Now do the following: leave the folder, then run "umount /mnt" to unmount. Then read "man fstab". |
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| 03:28.21 | Tramp | HolyAvenger: no, leave it alone. |
| 03:28.23 | |rat| | abrotman which is your credit card ID?, jaja |
| 03:28.32 | wols_ | stiv2k: he said "I don't want to change my system sinc it mightnot work afterwards cause I fucked it up" |
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| 03:28.48 | wols_ | "better to dismiss it than look like a foolk who can't get it to work" |
| 03:28.49 | abrotman | |rat|: you don't have buy that software .. you're stealing it |
| 03:28.59 | stiv2k | wols_: lol |
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| 03:29.15 | HolyAvenger | Tramp: Yeah, done. |
| 03:29.18 | Tramp | HolyAvenger: You will make a backup-copy of your /etc/fstab. Then you have to edit the fstab and add an entry for your /dev/sdb1 |
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| 03:29.31 | Wyzard | stiv2k: Unless it's something stupid like 63 of the same character, that's probably fairly strong |
| 03:29.57 | stiv2k | true |
| 03:29.58 | Tramp | HolyAvenger: You can mount this disk wherever you want in your filesystem (/mnt was just for testing) |
| 03:30.14 | stiv2k | Wyzard: so if someone hypothetically wanted to crack it, how long would it take if they had like a supercomputer? |
| 03:30.17 | HolyAvenger | Tramp: Do you know what the "issue" is exactly or are we trying different possibilities? |
| 03:30.18 | stiv2k | decades? |
| 03:30.20 | stiv2k | years? |
| 03:30.29 | stiv2k | define "strong" |
| 03:30.50 | VincentC | i find this site to be helpful if i need to generate a WPA key: https://www.grc.com/passwords.htm |
| 03:30.51 | Tramp | HolyAvenger: there is no issue. Everything is fine. You just have no entry in your /etc/fstab to tell the system how/where to use this disk. |
| 03:30.57 | wols_ | stiv2k: usually the point about WLan cracking is how much ciphertext you have captured. not the CPU power you have |
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| 03:31.21 | stiv2k | wols_: are you talking about IV's or w/e they are called |
| 03:31.37 | |rat| | abrotman: sudo rm -r / and the write you password |
| 03:31.48 | Wyzard | stiv2k: Assuming you have both capital and lowercase letters, digits, and punctuation, that's 26+26+10+30=92 possible values for each character |
| 03:31.50 | wols_ | !ops |
| 03:31.50 | dpkg | ops is, like, Please invoke 'dpkg: ops $problem' to call the ops to deal with a specific problem. Misuse of this will lead to a ban. |
| 03:31.56 | abrotman | |rat|: you can get banned for that |
| 03:32.03 | wols_ | !ops |rat| is giving out malicious commands |
| 03:32.04 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: wols_ complains about: |rat| is giving out malicious commands |
| 03:32.08 | HolyAvenger | Tramp: I'm at a loss. I'm reading the fdisk file, now what? |
| 03:32.20 | Wyzard | stiv2k: 63 characters of 92 possibilities each means 92^63 possible passphrases, which is a huge number |
| 03:32.21 | mentor | |rat|: Don't do that. |
| 03:32.24 | stiv2k | Wyzard: right, i used a generator i found on a website to create the key, it contains a whole array of ASCII characters |
| 03:32.34 | Tramp | HolyAvenger: Don't read the fdisk file right now. Read "man fdisk". |
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| 03:33.03 | |rat| | Leaving aside the fight... it's only a joke... |
| 03:33.22 | abrotman | mentor: you moved your mouse! |
| 03:33.26 | mentor | |rat|: Yes, but there are people here who don't understand what is going on. |
| 03:33.36 | mentor | abrotman: Ah. I had to reboot for change to take effect. |
| 03:33.53 | abrotman | ah |
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| 03:34.07 | HolyAvenger | Tramp: Would the entry be "/dev/sdb1" ? |
| 03:34.16 | mentor | |rat|: They might actually do it. Doing this again /will/ result in a kickban. |
| 03:34.20 | iextrememod | quick question, running a debian gateway here in Iraq for Satellite internet |
| 03:34.25 | maddash | |rat|: I tried it, but I got, "bash: sudo: command not found" |
| 03:34.32 | maddash | |rat|: now what? |
| 03:34.33 | Tramp | HolyAvenger: sorry, i meant read "man fstab", not fdisk |
| 03:34.43 | mentor | Thank you, come again |
| 03:34.44 | abrotman | telltale signs of an ubuntu user :) |
| 03:34.50 | |rat| | maddash: Don't do that... |
| 03:34.51 | iextrememod | does anyone know why icmp would be blocked or not work? |
| 03:35.15 | maddash | abrotman: it's always funny when some newbie decides he knows enough to be malicious |
| 03:35.15 | abrotman | iextrememod: your ISP could be blocking it |
| 03:35.25 | HolyAvenger | Tramp: Would the entry be "/dev/sdb1" ? |
| 03:35.37 | jello | iextrememod: b/c you're pinging a windows xp sp2 machine that hasn't explicitly allowed icmp echo ?? |
| 03:35.41 | |rat| | I don't know how the fight was against my back, just to a question. After not believe that use debian. |
| 03:35.50 | iextrememod | k, i could use Xbox Live before i started dorking around with my debian box |
| 03:36.06 | Tramp | HolyAvenger: It wouls look something like "/dev/sdb1 /mnt ext3 defaults 0 1". But don't copy it blindly without knowing what it means and how you test it after editing the /etc/fstab. |
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| 03:36.16 | iextrememod | and now it always fails the icmp portion of the test |
| 03:36.33 | iextrememod | thought maybe it was something i did |
| 03:37.02 | Tramp | HolyAvenger: /etc/fstab is a /very/ important file and you must make sure it is in a consistent state after editing it. |
| 03:37.13 | maddash | |rat|: your question was a far too unrelated to debian. and this is #debian. |
| 03:37.16 | HolyAvenger | Tramp: Would you explain to me what the "error" was on it? |
| 03:37.25 | Tramp | HolyAvenger: which error? |
| 03:37.34 | maddash | |rat|: you might get a better reception in #ubuntu-offtopic |
| 03:37.43 | HolyAvenger | Tramp: Not an actual error, but the reason on why I was unable to access the HDD |
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| 03:37.49 | jwpaine | where is the grub config located on a Debian install? It is not /boot/grub/grub.conf |
| 03:37.51 | iextrememod | not sure if you are talking to me, but I seem to think it would be related to debian, as that is what is running my internet connection |
| 03:37.56 | |rat| | maddash: ok... |
| 03:38.00 | HolyAvenger | Tramp: Error was just the first word I could come up with, sorry. |
| 03:38.06 | wols_ | jwpaine: menu.lst |
| 03:38.31 | Tramp | HolyAvenger: As I said before: There is no entry in your fstab for it. Without an entry, the system does not know what to do with it. That's all there is to say about it. |
| 03:38.41 | iextrememod | i'll figure it out i guess, just wondered if any certain thing like shorewall or something |
| 03:38.49 | abrotman | did you allow icmp ? |
| 03:38.58 | Nyle | man that was a good game. nets vs. heat |
| 03:39.02 | HolyAvenger | Ok, I'll look further into how I should edit it. Thank you for your time and patience. |
| 03:39.07 | jwpaine | why does the latest Debian stable use a kernel that is like 6 stable versions behind? |
| 03:39.12 | iextrememod | i'm very very new at this stuff, i built the box myself, so I have no idea about this icmp |
| 03:39.14 | Tramp | HolyAvenger: np |
| 03:39.17 | |rat| | maddash: Don't you need very fan... |
| 03:39.36 | phill | Can't get my Nspire external keyboard recognized by my Toshiba Satellite M70 Pro laptop under debian etch (or windoze for that matter), looking for suggestions... |
| 03:39.37 | Wyzard | iextrememod: iptables rules (i.e. shorewall) *could* do it, but without any idea of what you've changed or what your configuration looks like, it's impossible for anyone to tell you whether that's actually the cause |
| 03:39.38 | wols_ | iextrememod: by default (unless you do something),debian won't block any traffic at all |
| 03:39.54 | iextrememod | sorry, didn't notice someone sent me a link to help |
| 03:39.56 | iextrememod | thanks |
| 03:40.29 | wols_ | jwpaine: cause that kernel is STABLE |
| 03:40.39 | wols_ | jwpaine: you can get a backport of 2.6.22 if you want |
| 03:41.12 | Wyzard | jwpaine: "stable" in Debian primarily means "doesn't change" |
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| 03:41.28 | jwpaine | I have always edited my own kernel with menuconfig.... is there a way to install a kernel for /my hardware/ using apt? |
| 03:41.30 | Wyzard | jwpaine: The only updates that go into a stable release are bugfixes, no functional changes (like whole new versions of things) |
| 03:41.41 | wols_ | Wyzard: also means "the version is well tested over time" |
| 03:41.46 | Wyzard | jwpaine: That way you can install the updates without having to worry about anything breaking |
| 03:42.05 | wols_ | jwpaine: you can use kernel-package. which is actually the preferred way |
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| 03:42.20 | jwpaine | ok thanks |
| 03:42.33 | wols_ | !tell jwpaine about kp-mantra |
| 03:43.10 | wols_ | Wyzard: if that "doesn't change" thing was the only reason debian could have put the latest kernel from april07 in etch |
| 03:43.25 | wols_ | I think even on etch freeze time there was a nerwe kernel than .18 |
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| 03:43.41 | Wyzard | wols_: I know... that's why I said "primarily" |
| 03:44.01 | VincentC | can i give root a .emacs file? |
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| 03:44.16 | VincentC | if so where would it go |
| 03:44.44 | Wyzard | wols_: The doesn't-change aspect seems to be more important -- otherwise we'd have put something like 2.6.19 into etch by now |
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| 03:44.53 | Wyzard | VincentC: in root's home directory, which is /root |
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| 03:45.43 | VincentC | would i put be able to put in the .bashxxxx files there as well? |
| 03:45.52 | Wyzard | VincentC: of course |
| 03:46.07 | VincentC | ah, wish i would have known this sooner, thanks |
| 03:46.07 | Wyzard | VincentC: root is just a user who happens to have some extra privileges |
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| 03:50.38 | Mistylady | hi |
| 03:51.10 | wols_ | Wyzard: they promised us they would. liars! all of them |
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| 03:52.10 | Wyzard | wols_: yeah, etch-and-a-half... there was some traffic about that on the mailing list awhile back, but I didn't follow it |
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| 03:58.46 | y | I'm having a problem with apache.... Log says: applying pattern '^client/([^/]+)$' to uri 'var/www/clients/domain.com/web/' but I get error "The requested URL /var/www/clients/domain.com/web/ was not found on this server." Any clues? Why is the uri var and not /var? |
| 03:58.55 | CutMeOwnThroat | Dibbler: ! |
| 03:59.03 | CutMeOwnThroat | doh... like looking into a mirror |
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| 04:31.20 | ulrik | I had an oops but it was a day ago. are they logged anywhere? |
| 04:32.35 | dondelelcaro | ulrik: dmesg |
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| 04:33.21 | ulrik | well no I had to reboot |
| 04:33.59 | ulrik | it was an oops at resume from ram time, and the computer stalled |
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| 04:34.31 | dondelelcaro | those can't be logged anywhere, so no. |
| 04:34.41 | ulrik | ok |
| 04:35.02 | ulrik | sadly I don't remember the output exactly :) |
| 04:35.30 | jwpaine | question: what is the purpose of debian using an initrd and not singularly a bzImage for the kernel? I don't see an obvious advantage.... |
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| 04:37.08 | jwpaine | when I compile my own kernels.. I always just use a bzImage that is loaded with grub |
| 04:37.10 | stew | jwpaine: so that debian can build a kernel with just about everythin under the sun built as a module. then a initrd is made including just the modules you need to mount your root partition. otherwise there would need to be lots of different kernels that are able to mount root in lots of different situations |
| 04:37.39 | jwpaine | ok, I see |
| 04:42.06 | dondelelcaro | though the initrd usually contains a lot more than just the modules, it does enable you to put the modules in for really unusual situations |
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| 04:42.37 | dondelelcaro | you'll probably find yourself using the default kernels once you've built more than few hundred of the things |
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| 04:43.28 | deoptima | anyone anygood at NAT? |
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| 04:47.58 | Wyzard | jwpaine: initrd also makes it possible to boot from things other than plain disk partitions, where a script has to be run at boot time to mount the root filesystem |
| 04:48.06 | Wyzard | jwpaine: things like LVM on encrypted software RAID :-) |
| 04:48.10 | nite613 | dondelelcaro: Do you mind if I ask you some debian procedures based questions about our conversation last night? If you'll recall I submitted this: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=457153 |
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| 04:48.19 | nite613 | And happily, there are updates for me this morning :) |
| 04:48.59 | Seven_Six_Two | I'm looking for a script to load from a phone# link in Kontact that will dial the number for me. |
| 04:49.29 | Seven_Six_Two | the last time I used a modem was using telix |
| 04:50.04 | nite613 | I'm trying to understand what happened from a procedures point of view. Stephen says he closed the bug for the appropriate versions, but it seems someone also added 0.92~dfsg-1~volatile2 to the volatile tree (it wasn't there last night) |
| 04:50.05 | Internat | so how does initrd work, its just a small kidna partition that stores the kernel and a few other things? |
| 04:50.25 | nite613 | Did that happen as a result of my bug report, and is there anywhere on the bug site I can see who put the new package up and when? |
| 04:50.34 | Wyzard | Internat: it's a file that gets loaded into RAM by the bootloader (i.e. GRUB) along with the kernel |
| 04:50.42 | Seven_Six_Two | do I just use the same programs that are available to use dial up internet? |
| 04:51.09 | Wyzard | Internat: It contains a filesystem image (formerly a cramfs, these days a compressed cpio archive) which the kernel mounts/unpacks as the root filesystem, and runs a program on it |
| 04:51.10 | stew | Internat: think of it as a tiny little linux distro that has an init script that loads modules, mounts root and then transfers control to the real init |
| 04:52.11 | stew | Internat: you can easily look at yours if you run someting like "mkdir /tmp/initrd ; cd /tmp/initrd ; zcat /boot/initrd.img-$(uname -r) | cpio -i" |
| 04:52.12 | Internat | thats what i thought.. but thought id check.. since i didnt really have a clue |
| 04:52.15 | Wyzard | Internat: The program does whatever needs to be done (loading modules, running commands, etc.) to make the real root filesystem accessible, mounts it, and uses the "pivot_root" command to make it the new root |
| 04:52.23 | stew | Internat: then look at the "init" script |
| 04:52.45 | smultron | if i wanted to install backuppc with apache2 instead of apache1.3, how would i specify that with apt-get or aptitude? http://packages.debian.org/unstable/utils/backuppc |
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| 04:53.42 | Wyzard | smultron: backuppc depends on "apache (>> 1.3) | apache-ssl | apache-perl | apache2 | httpd" |
| 04:54.00 | Wyzard | smultron: meaning that any of those is acceptable, but if none is installed already, it'll try to install the first one ("apache") to satisfy the dependency |
| 04:54.19 | manu_hack | for some reasons vi is not available for root, I remember before it worked ..., |
| 04:54.24 | Wyzard | smultron: so if you just install the apache2 package beforehand, backuppc's dependency will be satisfied already and apt won't try to install apache |
| 04:55.26 | chafe | hey which one is the testing version is it 40r whateer |
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| 04:57.11 | smultron | Wyzard: cool. makes sense. thanks for the info :) |
| 04:57.12 | duder-ugh | is there a way with apt to exclude packages? ie, the kernel |
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| 04:59.17 | Wyzard | smultron: btw, the last option in that list is "httpd", which is what's called a virtual package -- there's no actual package by that name |
| 05:00.10 | Wyzard | smultron: but various other packaged webservers (lighttpd, roxen4, etc.) have "Provides: httpd" in their metadata, so they satisfy any dependency on "httpd" |
| 05:01.00 | smultron | Wyzard: oh ok. that's what the 'v' is when i do aptitude search? |
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| 05:01.14 | Wyzard | smultron: That way, backuppc can express a dependency on any arbitrary HTTP server, without having to list them all (there are quite a few) by name in its dependency list |
| 05:01.15 | Wyzard | yep |
| 05:01.53 | Wyzard | If you select that "v httpd" line in aptitude, you'll see a bunch of packages listed under "versions" |
| 05:01.53 | smultron | oh, that's very nifty. are virtual packages unique to apt? |
| 05:02.21 | Wyzard | and if you go into one of them (such as lighttpd), you'll see "httpd" listed under "package names provided by lighttpd" |
| 05:02.51 | Wyzard | There's probably something equivalent in other package systems, but I don't really know |
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| 05:04.38 | smultron | what do the 'p' and 'c' stand for when i do an aptitude search? |
| 05:04.58 | Wyzard | 'p' means "purged" -- completely uninstalled, not even config files |
| 05:05.25 | Wyzard | 'c' means "configuration files only" -- you had the package installed at some point, but you removed it with a command like "apt-get remove" or "aptitude remove" which leaves the config files behind in case you install the package again |
| 05:05.51 | smultron | ah, ok. good to know :) |
| 05:06.22 | Wyzard | I find the 'c' state to be rarely useful: if I'm uninstalling a package, it's usually either because I don't like it, or because it's been replaced by something else, and in both cases I don't really intend to install it again in the foreseeable future |
| 05:06.37 | Wyzard | so I usually use purge when removing packages, to remove those config files too |
| 05:07.15 | smultron | so you usually don't use 'apt-get remove'? |
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| 05:07.30 | smultron | just purge? |
| 05:07.39 | Wyzard | "apt-get remove --purge", or simply "dpkg --purge" which is quicker to type |
| 05:08.07 | Wyzard | or in aptitude's interactive mode, press '_' rather than '-' to mark the package for purge rather than plain remove |
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| 05:09.14 | smultron | are you more of an apt-get rather than aptitude guy, Wyzard? ;) |
| 05:09.32 | Wyzard | nope, I use aptitude because of its "auto" flags |
| 05:10.26 | Wyzard | though I might switch to synaptic if/when it gains support for those |
| 05:10.36 | smultron | ah. i've been using aptitude simply because i find it easier to remember "aptitude search" rather than "apt-cache search" and all the other apt-* utilities |
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| 05:11.12 | smultron | i don't really have any technical reasons :P |
| 05:11.16 | Wyzard | I use "apt-cache search" because it searches package descriptions, not just names |
| 05:11.24 | VincentC | would somebody be able to help me improve the script i use to start up my wireless network? |
| 05:11.32 | VincentC | i think it's causing me some problems when i restart the computer |
| 05:11.35 | VincentC | http://pastebin.com/d665976e4 |
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| 05:12.45 | Wyzard | VincentC: It'd be much easier to use NetworkManager |
| 05:13.29 | VincentC | does network manager work with ndiswrapper and wpa keys? |
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| 05:14.11 | Overshard | Anyone know where I can get the Fluxmod-Styles for Fluxbox in the debian? |
| 05:15.25 | oldude67 | hey thinking of going to debian, what desktop does it use as standard? |
| 05:15.36 | Overshard | none |
| 05:15.37 | Wyzard | VincentC: Yes, it's basically a frontend for iwconfig and wpa-supplicant that handles scanning for available networks, connecting, and prompting for passphrases |
| 05:16.16 | VincentC | i will check it out |
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| 05:16.39 | oldude67 | it doesnt use an x desktop inviro? |
| 05:16.52 | Overshard | it does but you pick which one you want to use |
| 05:17.00 | oldude67 | ah ok |
| 05:17.01 | Overshard | it doesn't support one as it's default |
| 05:17.11 | Overshard | I'm a fan of Fluxbox myself |
| 05:17.18 | oldude67 | ok so its not like ubuntu or slack |
| 05:17.25 | Overshard | no |
| 05:17.28 | CutMeOwnThroat | hm, you're probably right about the usefulness of "c" packages, just leaving the config behind.. is there some option/command to purge all of these? |
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| 05:17.53 | VincentC | you wouldn't believe the pain i had to go through to get my wireless network running |
| 05:18.06 | oldude67 | well im a fan of xfce is that a problem? |
| 05:18.17 | Overshard | I would believe you VincentC ... linux is usually a pain to get wireless working :P |
| 05:18.28 | Overshard | nope it isn't oldude67 |
| 05:18.34 | oldude67 | ty |
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| 05:19.21 | Wyzard | CutMeOwnThroat: In aptitude, highlight the "not installed packages" heading and press '_' |
| 05:19.28 | Overshard | oldude67: just apt-get install xfce4 |
| 05:19.53 | CutMeOwnThroat | hm, ok... never used the graphical interface of aptitude yet :) |
| 05:20.11 | oldude67 | k ty |
| 05:20.14 | Wyzard | CutMeOwnThroat: It's very useful for interactively browsing through dependencies |
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| 05:20.33 | CutMeOwnThroat | I don't do that either :) |
| 05:20.41 | CutMeOwnThroat | normally... |
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| 05:21.54 | CutMeOwnThroat | night |
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| 05:25.27 | duder-ugh | well, unattended-upgrades didn't work as i'd hoped (blacklisted linux-image and linux-source in conf)... it still upgraded the kernel |
| 05:25.43 | duder-ugh | any other way to keep apt from even showing an upgrade of certain packages? |
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| 05:25.58 | dondelelcaro | duder-ugh: put them on hold. |
| 05:25.59 | dondelelcaro | !hold |
| 05:25.59 | dpkg | hold is a status flag which tells apt (or aptitude) not to automatically upgrade a package. To hold a package, 'echo pkgname hold|dpkg --set-selections' or use = in aptitude's curses interface. You can ignore a hold by using apt-get install foopkg; or by using + in aptitude's curses interface. [Note that this is *NOT* the same as packages which have been "held back" because they require packages that are not currently (or tri |
| 05:26.03 | duder-ugh | ahh |
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| 05:26.27 | dondelelcaro | though unattended upgrades are a bad idea, actually. |
| 05:26.38 | duder-ugh | yeah, debconf stuff |
| 05:26.42 | duder-ugh | i'm gonna uninstall it |
| 05:26.53 | dondelelcaro | duder-ugh: what you generally want is to run cron-apt, have it download the files that should be upgraded, and mail you when there's an upgrade available. |
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| 05:27.04 | dondelelcaro | duder-ugh: you can then login when you have a chance, and just invoke the upgrade. |
| 05:27.24 | dondelelcaro | (at least, that's what I do for almost all of the systems that I maintain) |
| 05:27.42 | duder-ugh | yeah, i like that.. i'll see what i can script up for it.. between hold and that method, i think i'll be good |
| 05:27.44 | duder-ugh | thank you :) |
| 05:27.51 | Sionide21 | What are the available official apt repositories? |
| 05:28.33 | deprecatd | how can I manually inject a message into a users Maildir? Our Mailscanner quarantined a file incorrectly, and I want to move it from the quarantine directory and have it delivered to the Maildir(this is a virtual mail domain, not a shell user, if that makes a difference) |
| 05:28.47 | stiv2k | hey |
| 05:28.52 | stiv2k | what years are leap years |
| 05:29.01 | catsup | deprecatd: there are a number of utilities that can do that; apt-cache search maildir |
| 05:29.04 | Wyzard | stiv2k: years that have 29 days in February |
| 05:29.09 | stiv2k | well yes but |
| 05:29.18 | stiv2k | its every four years but i forget the offset |
| 05:29.26 | Wyzard | stiv2k: years that are divisible by 4 but not by 25 |
| 05:29.41 | stiv2k | what? |
| 05:30.24 | VincentC | Wyzard: ok network manager works |
| 05:30.33 | VincentC | thanks so much, you are a god!!!!!!! |
| 05:30.36 | Wyzard | hmm... that's what I've heard, at least, and I thought 2000 wasn't a leap year, but according to the GNOME calendar, it was |
| 05:31.08 | stiv2k | Wyzard: the reason i ask is cause im writing a PHP script and i need to get the algorithm... i know this is the wrong channel but whoever knows knows |
| 05:32.02 | amphi | Wyzard: 00s aren't but 000s are, I think |
| 05:32.30 | Sionide21 | http://us.php.net/manual/en/function.mcal-is-leap-year.php |
| 05:32.57 | Wyzard | amphi: ah, so it's 4 but (not 25 unless 100) ? |
| 05:33.21 | duder-ugh | interesting code at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leap_year |
| 05:33.39 | nite613 | I'm getting an email from mgetty ever time a fax comes in. The strings in the email appear in my mgetty binary, so I know it's generating it, not some external script, but I can't figure out how to turn it off! Anyone know? |
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| 05:34.44 | amphi | Wyzard: I _think_ so |
| 05:35.12 | Wyzard | amphi: I think you're right -- checking the GNOME calendar again, 1900 was not a leap year, and neither is 2100 |
| 05:35.14 | amphi | Wyzard: er, no |
| 05:35.30 | amphi | not 25 unless 1000 |
| 05:35.44 | Wyzard | oops :-) |
| 05:36.00 | liable | anyone got a clue for a 502 error with openvpn through a isa server on port 443? |
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| 05:37.41 | deprecatd | catsup: any suggestions that come to mind, preferably something installed with postfix by default? (postdrop?) |
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| 05:40.38 | amphi | Wyzard: off by one error ;) |
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| 05:41.26 | aarm_ | I'm having some trouble with a root volume on an old system that is getting full aside from apt-get clean and removing old logs what else can I check? |
| 05:42.03 | catsup | aarm_: use du |
| 05:42.07 | aarm_ | du |
| 05:42.20 | aarm_ | k I'll check that |
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| 05:44.46 | aarm_ | does the du output show in bytes or kb? |
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| 05:45.18 | Aghaster | Hi |
| 05:45.55 | Aghaster | I'm trying to get the proprietary ati drivers to work with direct rendering, but I get this error with glxinfo: direct rendering: No (If you want to find out why, try setting LIBGL_DEBUG=verbose) |
| 05:46.04 | Aghaster | I'd like to know where can I set this verbose option |
| 05:46.16 | Aghaster | set LIBGL_DEBUG=verbose? |
| 05:49.03 | LeGreffi3R | just type on your console : "LIBGL_DEBUG=verbose" |
| 05:49.03 | Wyzard | export LIBGL_DEBUG=verbose, assuming you're using bash |
| 05:49.53 | LeGreffi3R | my way will work only in the current session, with export this will be saved... |
| 05:50.14 | Wyzard | no, your way won't work at all, and with export it'll work only in the current session |
| 05:50.34 | Wyzard | Just setting a variable in the shell doesn't cause it to be made available to subprocesses |
| 05:50.47 | Wyzard | glxinfo won't see the LIBGL_DEBUG setting unless it's exported |
| 05:50.54 | Aghaster | that's what I'm concerned about, exporting this value and then running glxinfo doesn't work |
| 05:51.02 | Aghaster | and I guess restarting X would make me lose the export |
| 05:51.19 | Wyzard | Aghaster: It might not work with ATI's driver |
| 05:51.33 | Aghaster | why would glxinfo tell me this, then? |
| 05:51.57 | Aghaster | I guess the answer lies in my logs |
| 05:51.58 | Aghaster | http://rafb.net/p/ndLGmC86.html |
| 05:52.00 | Aghaster | here it is |
| 05:52.07 | amphi | Aghaster: in the term, do LIBGL_DEBUG=verbose glxinfo |
| 05:52.45 | Wyzard | Aghaster: glxinfo is part of the mesa-utils package, i.e. it's part of the Mesa OpenGL implementation |
| 05:52.56 | Wyzard | Aghaster: It's telling you about a setting that's supported by Mesa's libgl |
| 05:52.57 | aarm_ | nothing like knowing the best answer to a questions thanks for the du comment |
| 05:52.57 | Aghaster | ok |
| 05:53.12 | LeGreffi3R | my way works with zsh, but not in bash, yes :) |
| 05:53.18 | Wyzard | Aghaster: but the proprietary ATI and nVidia drivers provide their own libgl which replaces Mesa's, and has a completely different and unrelated implementation |
| 05:53.26 | amphi | Aghaster: it's telling what to set for glxinfo |
| 05:53.40 | Aghaster | okay, but glxinfo seems to ignore it. |
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| 05:53.53 | Aghaster | that's why I'll rely on Xorg.0.log to isolate the problem |
| 05:53.59 | amphi | Aghaster: 'LIBGL_DEBUG=verbose glxinfo' doesn't tell you any more? |
| 05:54.09 | Aghaster | it doesn't seem so |
| 05:54.17 | Aghaster | I see just the same |
| 05:54.48 | Wyzard | glxinfo itself never looks at that setting in the first place |
| 05:54.58 | Aghaster | ok. |
| 05:55.03 | Wyzard | It's only meaningful to a shared library, Mesa's libgl.so, which is often loaded by glxinfo |
| 05:55.18 | Aghaster | well, there seem to be a relevant part in my logs (the nopaste link I just gave) |
| 05:55.23 | Aghaster | (WW) AIGLX: 3D driver claims to not support visual 0x28 |
| 05:55.27 | Wyzard | but your glxinfo isn't loading Mesa's libgl.so, it's loading ATI's libgl.so, which doesn't know anything about that option |
| 05:55.29 | Aghaster | I get lots of warning like this |
| 05:56.31 | Claudio32m | where do i download the 8mb .img file to flash my NSLU2 device with debian? |
| 05:56.54 | Claudio32m | or is there a simpler procedure link |
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| 06:01.02 | VincentC | the system froze after i switched users, is there any way to investigate what went wrong? |
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| 06:04.44 | simonrvn | check your system logs |
| 06:05.16 | nvz | I wonder wtf this is in my apache log and why it shows a 200, 24.3.92.23 - - [20/Dec/2007:23:10:01 -0500] "GET / HTTP/1.1" 200 347 "http://blog.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=blog&Mytoken=F.. blah |
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| 06:05.24 | nvz | thats my IP there |
| 06:06.08 | nvz | 200 would mean it was successful, and that page isn't even on my server nor did I knowingly request it from my server |
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| 06:06.21 | nvz | I guess it just somehow did that when I opened IE |
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| 06:06.42 | Wyzard | nvz: Your website has no root directory? |
| 06:06.48 | nite613 | Well I found my answer about the mgetty emails. It seems that it is coded in policy.h to mail "root" and there is no option anywhere to turn off the emails :( |
| 06:06.51 | nvz | sure, it has a root dir |
| 06:06.56 | Wyzard | nvz: "GET /" is a request for the root directory of the site |
| 06:07.04 | nvz | other people try similar requests and it fails |
| 06:07.05 | Wyzard | nvz: i.e. http://www.foo.com/ |
| 06:07.28 | nvz | like, 64.62.190.36 - - [20/Dec/2007:19:16:02 -0500] "POST http://64.62.190.36:6667/ HTTP/1.0" 405 297 "-" "-" "-" |
| 06:07.35 | nvz | failed |
| 06:07.53 | simonrvn | nvz: spam attempt, some stupid bot |
| 06:08.08 | Wyzard | nvz: That's not a "similar request" at all |
| 06:08.15 | simonrvn | nvz: that second one is the proxy server scans freenode and oftc run |
| 06:08.19 | nvz | yeah but why did me going to myspace earlier on a windows box on the lan show up in my apache log |
| 06:08.52 | simonrvn | ok, not bot; probably some anti-ad thing you set up? |
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| 06:08.57 | nvz | going to 24.3.92.23 gives me the root dir's index page which is currently a demo of my python program |
| 06:08.58 | nite613 | Though happily it seems that this annoying functionality was removed somewhere between mgett 1.1.33 and 1.1.35 as the relevant source code has disappeared |
| 06:09.18 | nvz | I don't have anything of the sort setup |
| 06:09.21 | simonrvn | i've had various ad sites point to 127.0.0.1 or other non-routable IPs |
| 06:09.55 | nvz | hmm |
| 06:11.29 | nvz | on an unrelated off-topic note I am gonna need a cgi capable windows HTTP server that is preferably lightweight once I am done with this script, only HTTP server I even know of that runs on windows is apache and it seems like way overkill for this |
| 06:13.27 | dragonheart | nvz: use a python or perl http server module |
| 06:13.45 | dragonheart | and code the cgi interface |
| 06:14.02 | nvz | I thought about that, but this is a small project and it doesn't pay enough to do extra coding |
| 06:14.16 | nvz | hell I've not even really done any error handling in this script |
| 06:14.30 | nvz | I just been rewriting the code to avoid errors |
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| 06:16.00 | nvz | I read up on the CGIHTTPServer and it wasn't really well documented enough for me to just slap something together real quick I tried doing it in the python shell and didn't get it to work |
| 06:18.22 | nvz | twisted is way better documented but its quite complex and I'm just not looking to learn all that for this simple program right now I'll fool with that on my own time one of these days |
| 06:19.31 | nvz | I guess I'll figure out what to use for a server when the time comes, I may just throw apache on there |
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| 06:19.56 | nvz | right now I should probably go learn to write a damn resume |
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| 06:20.11 | simonrvn | apache can be pretty lightweight if you don't use a lot of modules, or lighthttpd maybe |
| 06:20.40 | nvz | I found a geek job that involves linux administration but I need to makeup a resume |
| 06:21.09 | nvz | and most the formal employment I have is irrelevant my tech experience is all working for myself and voulenteering |
| 06:21.35 | simonrvn | that'll count for good too |
| 06:21.40 | nvz | not sure how to draw up a self-employed resume |
| 06:21.50 | simonrvn | so emphasise that |
| 06:22.01 | nvz | what that i have no idea what I am doing? |
| 06:22.02 | nvz | heh |
| 06:22.22 | simonrvn | no, that you have certain skills |
| 06:22.24 | nvz | I figured I could use my experiece here as a reference |
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| 06:23.07 | simonrvn | nothing wrong admitting you don't know something, but also nothing wrong with saying you're good at something (some humility doesn't hurt either ;) |
| 06:23.09 | nvz | as well as people I've worked for, like the server I setup and manage for the local borough |
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| 06:23.49 | simonrvn | IMO the crap tehy teach in "resume classes" is less useful than just being yourself and being honest |
| 06:24.12 | OminousZ | if I were to be myself and be honest, I'd never get hired XD |
| 06:24.12 | nvz | I'm brutally honest and most of the time I think that is why people don't take me seriously |
| 06:24.16 | nvz | hah |
| 06:24.35 | simonrvn | HR people hear so much crpa that someone being honest and forthright is going to be refreshing |
| 06:24.39 | vorpal | i'm an expert at wasting time on the 'net. where's my six-figure job, dammit? |
| 06:24.49 | tengulre | why my linux box booting stoped in Begin: Waiting for root file system ... |
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| 06:25.01 | simonrvn | ...and how i fixed it |
| 06:25.01 | nvz | heh, I don't even know much at all about this company or where they are even located |
| 06:25.26 | nvz | just seen the job in the paper and looked over the description on their incredibly secretive looking hiring website |
| 06:25.36 | OminousZ | seems like the more time goes on, the more I figure out that having an inside person makes it magnitudes easier to get hired |
| 06:25.53 | simonrvn | unfortunately that's true |
| 06:25.57 | nvz | yeah thats how I get most my jobs |
| 06:26.08 | vorpal | OminousZ: true dat |
| 06:26.15 | simonrvn | why i say that is because people don't get hired based on merit |
| 06:26.47 | simonrvn | ...or their skills, or whatever. |
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| 06:27.33 | simonrvn | </2 cents> |
| 06:27.41 | anonymous-1 | What does WHoD stand for? |
| 06:27.48 | nvz | googling the company says they are based out of virginia and have datacenters in virginia, california, and illinois |
| 06:28.22 | nvz | it was listed in a local Pittsburgh paper though and the jobs seem to be tech support so Idk |
| 06:29.01 | simonrvn | tech support? the exp. in this chan is perfect for that ;) |
| 06:29.26 | simonrvn | exp. you got in this chan* |
| 06:29.28 | cahoot | exp or esp? |
| 06:29.35 | nvz | http://www.defenderhosting.com/ is the company I guess, the ad and the url they gave for applying doesn't really say anything but specific job requirements |
| 06:29.38 | simonrvn | hehe esp |
| 06:30.10 | vorpal | simonrvn: speak for your self ;-) |
| 06:30.13 | simonrvn | cahoot: some folks coming in here seem to think we have esp or something ;) |
| 06:30.25 | cahoot | I know |
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| 06:30.35 | cahoot | err *know* |
| 06:30.44 | simonrvn | hehe |
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| 06:32.34 | Ryan52 | When I lock the session in kde, after I try to unlock it it freezes. I connect using ssh from my other computer and do /etc/init.d/kdm stop and it doesnt work. so i run kill -s 9 `pgrep kdm` and then do the same for X and try to run /etc/init.d/kdm start and the screen goes blank. Is there any way to fix this? And if not how do I disable the automatic lock session? |
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| 06:33.18 | nvz | Ryan52: the lock is probably handled by xscreensaver |
| 06:33.18 | tengulre | why my linux box booting stoped in Begin: Waiting for root file system ? |
| 06:33.25 | nvz | a solution would be to remove the package |
| 06:33.28 | simonrvn | under screensavers? |
| 06:33.38 | Ryan52 | but it unlocks and shows my desktop then it freezes |
| 06:34.15 | simonrvn | tengulre: stopped? the initrd isn't loading / |
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| 06:34.54 | Davey | Greetings, I just had to move my Debian install from a Dual PIII with a PIII/SMP kernel into a P4, it booted, but only the main IP got bound, I think the kernel is the cause. How can I get the right kernel in there, it's a remote box.. |
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| 06:35.37 | Davey | and how much other stuff will break with the move? :/ |
| 06:36.03 | Ryan52 | Davey: check what kernel you have installed by running "aptitude search linux-image" |
| 06:36.18 | Ryan52 | If its not the 686 ones then |
| 06:36.31 | Davey | oh, pretty sure it's 686, but it's SMP |
| 06:36.37 | Ryan52 | oh |
| 06:36.50 | Davey | heh, aptitude wouldn't run |
| 06:37.26 | Davey | http://paste2.org/p/10883 |
| 06:37.41 | Davey | $ uname -a |
| 06:37.41 | Davey | Linux amun 2.6.18-5-686 #1 SMP Wed Oct 3 00:12:50 UTC 2007 i686 GNU/Linux |
| 06:38.30 | Ryan52 | I am running SMP on a p4 machine and it works fine |
| 06:38.55 | Ryan52 | so I don't think its that |
| 06:39.09 | simonrvn | something else happened. those kernels are supposed to support p2/3/4 |
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| 06:39.39 | Davey | simonrvn: OK, it's still SMP, which the machine isn't |
| 06:40.11 | Ryan52 | Davey: but those kernels are made to work on P4s |
| 06:40.27 | Ryan52 | "Linux image on PPro/Celeron/PII/PIII/P4" |
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| 06:40.45 | Davey | Ryan52: OK, so now I need to work out why my Ips didn't bind |
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| 06:44.31 | Davey | OK, my "auto" line in /etc/network/interfaces needs to include all the virtual interfaces too, right? |
| 06:44.33 | Davey | i.e. eth2:2 |
| 06:44.57 | dondelelcaro | Davey: if you want them brought up automatically, yes. |
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| 06:45.09 | Davey | yeah, I kinda need my IPs every time I boot. Oy. |
| 06:45.29 | Davey | yeah, that's working better |
| 06:45.52 | Ryan52 | Okay, remove xscreensaver seems to have fixed it but it still allows my to lock the session...does that mean that it fixed it or not? |
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| 06:46.03 | Ryan52 | s/remove/removing/ |
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| 06:46.34 | Davey | there we go :D |
| 06:47.00 | Davey | Ryan52: thanks for pointing me elsewhere, my virtual interfaces were not set to auto in /etc/network/interfaces |
| 06:47.20 | Ryan52 | Davey: your welcome |
| 06:47.33 | Davey | yeah, my websites work a *lot* better when my machine has the IPs bound :D |
| 06:47.44 | Davey | OK, so the SMP kernel I can leave in place for now? |
| 06:47.54 | Ryan52 | yes you can |
| 06:47.54 | Davey | till someone with a clue wakes up and changes it out :D |
| 06:48.15 | Ryan52 | it will work fine, its made for P4s |
| 06:48.34 | Davey | but this is a single proc box... |
| 06:48.49 | Davey | and it's an SMP kernel.... I didn't think that wise |
| 06:48.51 | Ryan52 | smp is still there I think...I'm not sure about smp |
| 06:48.52 | Davey | I might be wrong :) |
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| 06:49.08 | Davey | SMP = multi-processor support |
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| 06:49.22 | Davey | symmetical multiple processors, I believe it stands for :) |
| 06:49.28 | Davey | symmetrical, whatever :) |
| 06:49.29 | Ryan52 | ohhh... |
| 06:50.14 | Nostahl | i just installed a gforce mx 4000 with 64 megs of ram its a pci video card |
| 06:50.21 | Nostahl | im not getting video from it though |
| 06:50.35 | Nostahl | so i switched the coord back to the onboard video |
| 06:50.41 | Ryan52 | Davey: don't try to fix something that's not broken |
| 06:51.21 | DawnLight | Nostahl: did you set the bios to use the pci first? |
| 06:51.36 | Davey | Ryan52: well, I'm pretty damn sure it's wrong, but I do have a sysadmin, he's just sleeping ;) |
| 06:51.43 | Davey | he'll know the definitive answer, for now... it works |
| 06:51.44 | Nostahl | ah i wont auto use it? |
| 06:51.55 | Ryan52 | yep :D |
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| 07:25.32 | Jrabbit | Question |
| 07:25.48 | enouf | Answer |
| 07:25.55 | Jrabbit | I'm doing Etch -> Testing |
| 07:26.08 | jetscreamer | i was going to say 'no question there' |
| 07:26.10 | Jrabbit | Is there a diffrence in using the marked lenny? |
| 07:26.20 | jetscreamer | no |
| 07:26.32 | enouf | i don't even understand that |
| 07:26.33 | Jrabbit | And during the install the desktop enviorment grouping failed because of the latest CUPS |
| 07:26.36 | simonrvn | currently, lenny == testing |
| 07:26.39 | jetscreamer | sometimes the security line liked one and not the other, but that was probably fixed |
| 07:26.40 | Jrabbit | ok |
| 07:27.05 | Jrabbit | And how might I go about adding the repos that were omited in my install |
| 07:27.06 | Jrabbit | XD |
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| 07:27.19 | Jrabbit | Should most everything be in it? |
| 07:27.21 | jetscreamer | nano /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 07:27.32 | Jrabbit | jetscreamer, I know |
| 07:27.41 | Jrabbit | But where do I find a official listing |
| 07:27.42 | jetscreamer | then why'd you ask |
| 07:27.44 | jetscreamer | ah |
| 07:27.49 | simonrvn | !mirrors |
| 07:27.49 | dpkg | hmm... debian mirrors is http://www.debian.org/mirror/list or ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/README.mirrors.txt | ask me about <apt-setup> or <apt-spy> | to make a mirror, see http://www.debian.org/mirrors/ |
| 07:27.50 | Jrabbit | I couldn't find any |
| 07:27.50 | jetscreamer | a different question |
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| 07:30.38 | jetscreamer | here's a great question: anybody know why my hd only fucksup with linux? :( sid and the new ata stuff i guess |
| 07:30.55 | simonrvn | probably |
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| 07:31.48 | jetscreamer | brand new not 10 minutes old install atm too |
| 07:31.56 | jetscreamer | same as before |
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| 07:32.48 | jetscreamer | it's the click of death, too :( |
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| 07:34.42 | liable | there was something mentioned about that recently, but i forget where |
| 07:35.59 | jetscreamer | i seem to get all the good ones |
| 07:36.07 | jetscreamer | must be the sis |
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| 07:37.31 | jetscreamer | i bought a cheap intel based c2d, but gave it to my daughter instead of keeping it, i want something faster |
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| 07:38.15 | jetscreamer | first intel since the celeron 333@500 |
| 07:39.23 | happla | core2 *drol* best cpu =) |
| 07:39.35 | happla | flamewar! ; ) |
| 07:39.47 | Jrabbit | ok its upgrading |
| 07:39.52 | jetscreamer | it was an older one |
| 07:39.57 | jetscreamer | 4300 i think |
| 07:40.00 | Nyle | jetscreamer |
| 07:40.07 | jetscreamer | hey nyle |
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| 07:40.21 | Nyle | hey man where ya been |
| 07:40.32 | jetscreamer | it's christmas |
| 07:40.35 | jetscreamer | working |
| 07:40.39 | Nyle | ahh |
| 07:40.42 | Nyle | its Eid tomorrow |
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| 07:40.45 | Nyle | :D |
| 07:41.21 | Nyle | we both got our holiday thing goin on |
| 07:41.34 | Nyle | I got tomorrow off though. hey you get my msg? |
| 07:41.41 | jetscreamer | no |
| 07:41.51 | Nyle | well you should |
| 07:42.34 | jetscreamer | oh.. that one. the right side of my tabs is hidden |
| 07:42.41 | Nyle | you're a tab. *grumble* |
| 07:43.14 | Nyle | ok nm that, look in #music |
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| 07:47.57 | backupp | hi..anyone can suggest a best way to clone a directory structure without copying the files inside? |
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| 07:48.52 | simonrvn | using find and xargs+mkdir -p |
| 07:49.14 | simonrvn | or just mkdir |
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| 07:50.15 | backupp | there are thousands of directories and different permissions.. |
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| 07:50.27 | backupp | i thought of using rsync but how to exclude all files? |
| 07:51.03 | simonrvn | yes, and? |
| 07:51.26 | happla | backupp: when you find out a way to do it - I would like to know =) |
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| 07:52.31 | simonrvn | actually, a for loop would be better |
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| 07:53.21 | simonrvn | for i in $(find /some/path -type d); do mkdir /some/other/path/$i; done |
| 07:53.25 | simonrvn | for instance |
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| 07:53.34 | simonrvn | tweak according to need |
| 07:54.04 | happla | simonrvn: *testing* |
| 07:55.04 | simonrvn | rsync is specifically for files AFAIK, i don't see why offhand why that would work for just replicating a dir structure |
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| 07:55.17 | simonrvn | i'd go rtfm but i'm tired |
| 07:56.02 | backupp | ok i got it!! |
| 07:56.07 | backupp | rsync --include '*/' --exclude '*' |
| 07:56.12 | backupp | haha thanks |
| 07:56.19 | simonrvn | oh nice one |
| 07:56.20 | happla | backupp: awesome =) |
| 07:56.28 | backupp | thanks for the hint!! |
| 07:56.55 | simonrvn | thank you for showing me something new |
| 07:57.32 | simonrvn | yeeh, learned two things today. sure was a good day |
| 07:57.33 | happla | backupp: what other switches to rsync do you use? |
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| 07:58.38 | backupp | oh i used -avP |
| 07:58.42 | backupp | that's all |
| 07:58.43 | happla | backupp: ok |
| 07:58.47 | happla | backupp: trying |
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| 07:59.10 | backupp | rsync -avP --include '*/' --exclude '*' /source /dest |
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| 08:08.35 | vaq | How to unpack syslog.1.gz ? |
| 08:10.22 | jolt^d4 | gunzip syslog.1.gz |
| 08:11.13 | liable | or use xless if you just want to read it |
| 08:11.17 | liable | zless |
| 08:11.21 | enouf | vaq: you want to view it zless it |
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| 08:11.33 | vaq | Thanks |
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| 08:19.47 | sonnie | I have machine A, B, C, .... B and C are in the same subnet, C can ping A, while B can't. no rules are set for iptables. why? |
| 08:20.51 | dimir | Morning! |
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| 08:24.07 | itai | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:24.53 | basanta | libgtk2-ruby + etch crashes |
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| 08:25.50 | liable | hmm, why are iptables rules not being listed i wonder |
| 08:27.07 | CalJohn | I'm using virtualbox-ose as a virtual machine to do linux from scratch, but it's really fucking slow. Excluding Xen (too much trouble to figure out), what other good, fast FOSS vms are there? |
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| 08:28.56 | liable | qemu? |
| 08:29.46 | CalJohn | liable: looks good. thanks. |
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| 08:34.41 | BartVB | I'm trying to use 'blktrace' but all I get from it is: "BLKTRACESETUP: Inappropriate ioctl for device" does anyone here have a clue as to what might be causing that? Google wasn't very helpful ;( |
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| 08:36.22 | CalJohn | Erm, just rebooted to use one of the stock debian lenny kernels (instead of my vanilla) and my ps2 keyboard no longer works. What module should I load? |
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| 08:36.49 | liable | mousedev iirc |
| 08:36.59 | liable | maye thats the old one.. |
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| 08:37.52 | BartVB | for the keyboard? I would be surprised if the keyboard needs a kernel module :? |
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| 08:38.02 | CalJohn | BartVB: then what's up? |
| 08:38.24 | CalJohn | BartVB: because this keyboard did work seconds ago under my vanilla...:( |
| 08:39.04 | BartVB | it works in your bootloader and then it stops working? |
| 08:39.16 | CalJohn | yup, that's exactly it |
| 08:39.33 | liable | mouse works in grub? |
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| 08:40.00 | BartVB | liable, ps/2 keyboard :) |
| 08:40.19 | CalJohn | liable: didn't check that. didn't know grub supported mouse |
| 08:40.37 | liable | BartVB: heh, no idea why i thought mouse.. |
| 08:40.40 | liable | CalJohn: it cant |
| 08:40.45 | BartVB | it's still early :D |
| 08:41.27 | BartVB | but no clue as to what could be causing this :? |
| 08:41.36 | CalJohn | liable: :p |
| 08:41.46 | CalJohn | I'm on the box at the moment, using ssh |
| 08:41.51 | CalJohn | getting cracking on kqemu |
| 08:42.31 | BartVB | do yo uhave something like: |
| 08:42.33 | BartVB | input: AT Translated Set 2 keyboard as /class/input/input0 |
| 08:42.36 | BartVB | in your dmesg? |
| 08:42.55 | CalJohn | BartVB: nope. |
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| 08:44.06 | BartVB | then I guess /proc/bus/input/devices is also empty? |
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| 08:44.48 | CalJohn | it has my mouse, and the power button |
| 08:44.57 | BartVB | :) |
| 08:45.10 | BartVB | maybe you can teach your powerbutton some morse code? :P |
| 08:45.55 | CalJohn | :p |
| 08:46.30 | CalJohn | this is a faintly silly problem. surely someone would notice a bug in ps2 keyboards...:( |
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| 08:47.04 | BartVB | indeed :\ |
| 08:47.06 | BartVB | really weird |
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| 08:47.12 | BartVB | I guess you tried rebooting? :D |
| 08:47.18 | BartVB | and rechecked the connectors? :) |
| 08:47.53 | CalJohn | yeah, i've had this problem before with debian kernels, didn't care much at the time, because I could just use my builds. I don't want to do that anymore. |
| 08:50.09 | BartVB | hehe, so we call in the ##linux troops, CalJohn? :D |
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| 08:51.10 | CalJohn | BartVB: ;) caught me cross posting |
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| 08:52.51 | BartVB | just did the samen :) |
| 08:52.54 | BartVB | same |
| 08:53.32 | BartVB | BTW you are this? |
| 08:53.33 | BartVB | http://groups.google.com/group/linux.debian.user/browse_thread/thread/846244636ff92c40/557c32c5253c5a4e?lnk=st&q=ps%2F2+keyboard+boot+linux+kernel#557c32c5253c5a4e |
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| 08:56.11 | jerome | hi there, I have an annoying problem trying to dist-upgrade sid, on libc6 : A non-dpkg owned copy of the libc6-i686 package was found. |
| 08:56.28 | jerome | so libc6 install wno't finish |
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| 08:56.36 | jerome | I guess it can be caused by libc6 xen |
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| 08:59.45 | enouf | CalJohn: psmouse, but lshal shows atkbd and i8042 grep KBD /boot/config-$(uname -r) shows CONFIG_KEYBOARD_ATKBD=y .. 5 more as modules |
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| 09:00.33 | enouf | CalJohn: using an adapter or something funky, like a KVM? |
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| 09:01.04 | anabain | hi, I've just compiled a 2.6.23 kernel and get a kernel panic, it says I have to put a correct boot device, /dev/sda5 is not correct, since it was for former kernels (2.6.16 and lower). It's an udev issue? How can I fix it?) |
| 09:01.17 | CalJohn | BartVB: nope, but I have seen that post. |
| 09:01.28 | CalJohn | enouf: nothing funny, just ps2 into the ps2 port. |
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| 09:02.13 | CalJohn | loading psmouse is no help |
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| 09:02.22 | enouf | CalJohn: but working in the bootloader - that's usually remiscent iof a USB legacy BIOS setting issue - weird |
| 09:02.32 | ronr | hi, how can I reset (empty) the autowhitelist of spamassassin (debian etch backport version) |
| 09:02.45 | CalJohn | enouf: FATAL: Module atkbd not found. |
| 09:03.01 | enouf | heh, it's likely in the kernel as i showed |
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| 09:03.34 | enouf | CalJohn: you're in a VM? qemu? |
| 09:03.48 | CalJohn | enouf: no vm. this is just a regular, amd64 machine |
| 09:03.57 | CalJohn | it has a logitek usb mouse plugged in |
| 09:04.08 | CalJohn | other than that, it is very normal pc hardware |
| 09:04.16 | enouf | hrm, and amd64 or i386 ? (or k7 ?) |
| 09:04.20 | rossMoHaX | how to kill <defunct> processes? |
| 09:04.24 | CalJohn | amd64 on k8 |
| 09:04.41 | enouf | i see hrm .. something screwy |
| 09:04.46 | maddash | rossMoHaX: they're already dead |
| 09:04.49 | sheepdog | does anyone know if it's possible to set up apt to work with a local prefix like a user's set of local ~/usr/bin ~/usr/lib etc? |
| 09:04.52 | CalJohn | Linux tybalt 2.6.22-3-amd64 #1 SMP Sun Nov 4 18:18:09 UTC 2007 x86_64 GNU/Linux |
| 09:05.23 | BartVB | sheepdog, chroot :) |
| 09:05.38 | sheepdog | ahh |
| 09:05.39 | sheepdog | haha |
| 09:05.50 | Guerin | chroot isn't even necessary |
| 09:05.52 | enouf | CalJohn: lshal | egrep 'Kbd|kbd' (not even sure you can actually do that without a keyboard) |
| 09:06.03 | sheepdog | i think the last time i chrooted was when i played with gentoo |
| 09:06.10 | Jrabbit | I installed the gnome package |
| 09:06.12 | CalJohn | enouf: I can; ssh works |
| 09:06.14 | Jrabbit | and X is installed |
| 09:06.30 | Guerin | aptitude and dpkg have functions which allow them to use arbitrary root, archive and control locations |
| 09:06.35 | Guerin | as does apt-get |
| 09:06.55 | Jrabbit | What is the lovely thing that it asks when you mess with it? |
| 09:07.02 | CalJohn | enouf: I don't seem to have lshal though, what package is it in? |
| 09:07.03 | Jrabbit | The dpkg commmand |
| 09:07.11 | enouf | CalJohn: hal ;-) |
| 09:07.12 | sheepdog | Guerin: yeah i was looking through the man pages but i didn't see anything |
| 09:07.20 | Jrabbit | for a new xorg.conf |
| 09:07.23 | Guerin | then you didn't look very closely |
| 09:07.42 | enouf | CalJohn: got udev installed too? |
| 09:08.04 | CalJohn | enouf: info.linux.driver = 'i8042 kbd' (string) |
| 09:08.09 | CalJohn | I do have udev installed, yes. |
| 09:08.26 | enouf | CalJohn: oh, also, you are using the initrd as well? (w/Debian kernel) |
| 09:08.40 | enouf | CalJohn: one line from lshal? |
| 09:08.46 | CalJohn | enouf: I have no idea. this is pretty much defaults |
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| 09:09.06 | enouf | CalJohn: default what? lol, you said you use your kernel |
| 09:09.24 | maddash | !drxx |
| 09:09.25 | dpkg | To reconfigure your X server, run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg as root. If you're not using Xorg (sarge or earlier), dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86, and ask me about <xmd5sum> if you've changed XF86Config-4 yourself. |
| 09:09.32 | maddash | Jrabbit: ^^ |
| 09:10.01 | CalJohn | enouf: no, this is a stock debian kernel. it's the latest from lenny |
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| 09:10.11 | enouf | CalJohn: they come with initrds |
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| 09:10.29 | CalJohn | enouf: ok, how do I "use" them? |
| 09:10.33 | enouf | linux-image-XXX package |
| 09:11.03 | CalJohn | enouf: the initrd looks to be getting loaded by grub, juding from /boot/grub/menu.lst |
| 09:11.03 | enouf | CalJohn: apt-get install linux-image-XXXX (apt-cache search linux-image-*) |
| 09:11.45 | Guerin | enouf: he already did |
| 09:11.54 | enouf | CalJohn: ls -l /boot/initrd.img-2.6.* |
| 09:12.05 | enouf | oh |
| 09:12.33 | anabain | where is udev info in the system for hard disks? |
| 09:12.49 | enouf | anabain: udevinfo -q all -n /dev/name |
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| 09:13.55 | anabain | and which of these lines should I put in grub to avoid kernel panic, enouf ? |
| 09:14.25 | enouf | anabain: udevinfo -q all -p /sys/block/hdX as well or /sys/class/scsi* |
| 09:14.26 | anabain | perhaps disk/by-uuid/607ad323-abd9-4469-afdd-bc9e3faae98a ? |
| 09:14.41 | enouf | anabain: er, yeah, ls -l /dev/disk/* |
| 09:14.53 | enouf | root=UUID= |
| 09:15.05 | CalJohn | enouf: look at this: http://www.linuxforums.org/forum/debian-linux-help/43107-ps-2-usb-mouse-usb-legacy-booting-option-enabled-kernel-2-6-a.html |
| 09:15.17 | enouf | anabain: you can use my 1st udevinfo line on partitions too /dev/hda1 |
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| 09:16.27 | CalJohn | enouf: I wonder if I have such a "USB Legacy" enabled in my bios |
| 09:16.48 | enouf | CalJohn: try it, buggy BIOSes are known for all sorts of issues |
| 09:17.29 | enouf | with their OEM acpi implementations, etc etc |
| 09:17.40 | Jrabbit | X fatal error: no valid fontpath could be found |
| 09:18.12 | Jrabbit | The ocnfig did not fix it. |
| 09:18.23 | enouf | CalJohn: you have PnP OS set to Enabled in BIOS too? enable ACPI, APIC, AHCI (tripleA) |
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| 09:19.05 | Jrabbit | bbl |
| 09:19.36 | enouf | CalJohn: look through some of this; http://lxr.linux.no/linux/Documentation/x86_64/boot-options.txt |
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| 09:21.23 | CalJohn | enouf: I have no ida |
| 09:21.35 | CalJohn | I'll take the machine down and have a poke around |
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| 09:22.37 | CalJohn | enouf: ok, have irc on this machine now. taking the other one down |
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| 09:24.36 | ryan34 | does debian have a smaller kernel i could easily install? |
| 09:25.22 | Jrabbit | bsd? |
| 09:25.36 | ryan34 | a smaller linux kernel |
| 09:25.45 | enouf | CalJohn: i really don't knowwhat else to tell ya, except go through the BIOS settings with a carefully - i'm on an older x86-32 kernel |
| 09:26.23 | BartVB | grrr. Just tried blktrace on a different box and getting the same 'inappropriate ioctl' there :( |
| 09:27.27 | CalJohn | enouf: have no established that no ps2 devices work |
| 09:27.29 | enouf | CalJohn: i know $ cat /proc/bus/input/devices shows both my ps2 mosue and keyboard |
| 09:27.30 | CalJohn | *now |
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| 09:27.50 | enouf | CalJohn: ouch |
| 09:28.31 | CalJohn | well, my vanilla kernels seem to work, so I suppose I will have to carry on with those. :/ |
| 09:28.39 | CalJohn | time to file a bug, i think. |
| 09:28.52 | enouf | $ udevinfo -a -p /sys/class/input/input0 and $ udevinfo -a -p /sys/class/input/input1 likewise |
| 09:28.58 | enouf | CalJohn: ^^^^ |
| 09:29.17 | enouf | DRIVERS=="atkbd" |
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| 09:29.42 | CalJohn | i get pcspkr, but nothing else |
| 09:29.48 | CalJohn | this is extremely irritating |
| 09:29.49 | enouf | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:29.49 | enouf | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:30.00 | enouf | BEEP ;-) |
| 09:30.34 | enouf | all this is in lshal, scattered about a bit ATTRS{description}=="i8042 Kbd Port" |
| 09:31.00 | enouf | CalJohn: modprobe -r pcspkr |
| 09:31.23 | enouf | echo "blacklist pcspkr" >> /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist |
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| 09:32.44 | CalJohn | pcspkr is by far the most annoying module yet devised. |
| 09:33.03 | CalJohn | i'm just going to give up, and make a vanilla kernel by the debian rules now. |
| 09:33.23 | CalJohn | don't suppose you know of a guide to doing that? |
| 09:33.30 | enouf | CalJohn: also /msg dpkg bell |
| 09:33.53 | enouf | CalJohn: oh, /msg dpkg make-kpkg |
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| 09:34.17 | CalJohn | awesome |
| 09:34.24 | CalJohn | thankyou very much for your time, at least |
| 09:34.30 | CalJohn | i'll submit a bug later today |
| 09:34.32 | enouf | np |
| 09:34.59 | CalJohn | time to get my rtorrent/irssi/ncmpc gnu screen session bad up on the other box. |
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| 09:41.31 | ryan34 | did debian's install base double from 3.1 to etch? |
| 09:41.44 | ryan34 | *the size of the install |
| 09:41.57 | xand | which install? |
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| 09:44.50 | anabain | enouf, I now get the kernel panic with the udev number, so I think it'not an udev problem, isn't it? |
| 09:45.43 | enouf | anabain: erm, is this a debian kernel? |
| 09:45.57 | anabain | filesystem ext3 is compiled built-in, so I don't need initrd and the like, need I? |
| 09:46.08 | anabain | enouf, no, it's from kernel.org |
| 09:47.02 | anabain | enouf, the 2.6.16 I'm currently using is also a kernel.org kernel |
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| 09:47.47 | enouf | anabain: well, that's a bit tricky, could be many things, ext2 support as well as your disk controller support |
| 09:48.01 | enouf | has to be built in |
| 09:48.07 | enouf | if no initrd |
| 09:48.14 | anabain | they're both built in |
| 09:48.25 | anabain | but I'll check libata config |
| 09:48.39 | enouf | anabain: as i said, not easy to discern for anyone |
| 09:49.01 | anabain | (in fact I've only tweaked a bit the 2.6.16 config for this 2.6.23) |
| 09:49.13 | anabain | but I think disk issues are correct... |
| 09:49.27 | enouf | yeah, but you pulled the whole initrd |
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| 09:50.31 | anabain | btw, is there any problem with update-grub? |
| 09:51.18 | anabain | I tried to install a debian kernel and I got a "not found update-grub binary" message. weird, as it seems to work actually |
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| 09:56.34 | maddash | anabain: b/c you didn't install 'grub' |
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| 09:58.22 | hendry | where do kernel module arguments go in a Debian system? |
| 09:59.36 | dondelelcaro | hendry: on the boot command line, generally. |
| 10:00.05 | Penix | I want to marry a multiband compressor |
| 10:00.09 | Penix | I mean... |
| 10:00.10 | anabain | maddash, I don't understand you... |
| 10:00.20 | Penix | equalizer. damn, this relationship's off to a good start |
| 10:00.58 | dondelelcaro | hendry: alternatively, you can add option lines to your own configuration file under /etc/modprobe.d/ |
| 10:01.05 | dondelelcaro | hendry: man modprobe.conf for details. |
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| 10:02.08 | enouf | hendry: and modinfo <module> for avail params |
| 10:02.30 | ryan34 | why is the base install of debian take up so much space.. err |
| 10:03.15 | streuner_ | ryan34: depends which packages you choosed in "tasksel" |
| 10:03.16 | enouf | an standard DE env for etch, iirc is ~ 1.7GB |
| 10:03.30 | dondelelcaro | whatever a standard de means |
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| 10:03.48 | enouf | tasksel --list-tasks ;-) |
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| 10:04.36 | ryan34 | streuner a minimal install with just the base packages is 380mb |
| 10:04.49 | dondelelcaro | ryan34: it's actually smaller than that. |
| 10:05.04 | ryan34 | dondelelcaro it is? |
| 10:05.11 | enouf | it was actually extremely useful for a blind friend who did a base install then decided he wanted X and Gnome |
| 10:05.23 | dondelelcaro | ryan34: my etch chroot is only 191M. |
| 10:05.41 | dondelelcaro | (and that's got all of build-essential and other stuff in it) |
| 10:05.41 | ryan34 | dondelelcaro does that include a kernel? how did you get it that small? |
| 10:06.07 | dondelelcaro | ryan34: no, and by not installing things that I didn't want |
| 10:06.15 | dondelelcaro | ryan34: it's fairly simple if you use debootstrap. |
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| 10:06.55 | dondelelcaro | generally it doesn't matter though, because unless you have specific needs, you're dealing with orders of magnitude more space than the general install leaves you with anyway. |
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| 10:07.08 | ryan34 | dondelelcaro i'm using the netinst and not installing anything except the base install. hmm |
| 10:07.21 | anabain | "User postinst hook script [usr/sbin/update-grub] failed to execute: file or dir doesn't exist" why I'm getting this? |
| 10:07.43 | dondelelcaro | ryan34: the "base install" includes packages of priority standard and above, which may include things that you don't want. |
| 10:07.52 | dondelelcaro | ryan34: you can always remove packages after the initial install, of course. |
| 10:08.06 | ryan34 | dondelelcaro how would i know what i don't want? |
| 10:08.07 | hendry | thanks dondelelcaro |
| 10:08.19 | dondelelcaro | ryan34: how would anyone else? |
| 10:08.47 | anabain | output of whereis update-grub is update-grub: /sbin/update-grub /usr/sbin/update-grub |
| 10:08.52 | dondelelcaro | ryan34: the entire point of the "standard" priority set of packages is to choose a base set that almost everyone wants |
| 10:08.56 | ryan34 | dondelelcaro well, it obviously doesn't require all these packages. |
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| 10:08.59 | dondelelcaro | hendry: np |
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| 10:09.22 | enouf | anabain: it was moved zless /usr/share/doc/grub/changelog.Debian.gz |
| 10:09.25 | dondelelcaro | ryan34: the only packages which are "required" are those which are Essential: yes and those packages dependencies. |
| 10:09.29 | ryan34 | dondelelcaro right. makes sense. hmm it isn't a minimal install really then. |
| 10:09.38 | enouf | anabain: $ less /etc/kernel-img.conf |
| 10:09.54 | streuner_ | It is a "minimal" install anyway |
| 10:10.03 | dondelelcaro | a fully minimal install doesn't actually do anything, so it's not of much use. |
| 10:10.07 | streuner_ | what is 1.7 GB nowadays.... |
| 10:10.11 | ryan34 | dondelelcaro yea, the essential packages is probably what i'm looking for then to install. |
| 10:10.31 | white_eagle | is there any way to install nokia pcsuite to ubuntu? |
| 10:10.33 | streuner_ | keep in mind, thats not in tasksel... |
| 10:10.34 | dondelelcaro | ryan34: what are you actually doing with this machine? Why the concern about space utilization? |
| 10:10.38 | white_eagle | or other debian based |
| 10:10.39 | dondelelcaro | white_eagle: you want to talk to #ubuntu |
| 10:10.42 | white_eagle | banned |
| 10:10.59 | dondelelcaro | white_eagle: then ask on their fora; this is not the right place. |
| 10:11.10 | white_eagle | ok |
| 10:11.11 | white_eagle | thanks |
| 10:11.11 | ryan34 | dondelelcaro i'm installing debian on a usb disk and need every mb i can get. |
| 10:11.28 | dondelelcaro | ryan34: how big is the usb device? |
| 10:11.31 | streuner_ | dont choose DE (GNOME, KDE) then |
| 10:11.44 | dondelelcaro | ryan34: what do you plan on doing with this installation? |
| 10:12.24 | dondelelcaro | once you answer the second question completely, you'll know exactly which packages you have to have; everything else you can mark as automatically installed in aptitude, and purge it, then remove aptitude. |
| 10:12.26 | ryan34 | dondelecaro i want to run a basic x desktop with firefox. |
| 10:12.36 | dondelelcaro | hahahahaha |
| 10:12.52 | dondelelcaro | clearly we have vastly different meanings of "minimal" |
| 10:13.05 | Guerin | heh |
| 10:13.11 | Guerin | that describes my maximal box |
| 10:13.18 | Guerin | except I also have emacs and latex |
| 10:13.18 | ryan34 | dondelecaro well, yes. sort of. i don't actually intend to have a minimal install |
| 10:13.33 | ryan34 | dondelecaro i want to have a minimal install to work off of |
| 10:13.55 | anabain | enouf, then how can I fix the grub problem? |
| 10:14.03 | ryan34 | *obviously installing x, and other applications will increase the size. i've got a reasonably small x installation. |
| 10:14.12 | dondelelcaro | ryan34: if you decide that something is installed that you don't use specifically, mark it as automatically installed in aptitude, and it'll go away unless it's required by something else. |
| 10:14.26 | dondelelcaro | ryan34: that's how you can reduce the size to the set of packages that you actually use. |
| 10:14.29 | BartVB | ryan34, check out live-helper |
| 10:14.37 | streuner_ | !ds |
| 10:14.37 | dpkg | somebody said ds was a little perl script that lists installed Debian packages in descending size order. It's available at http://wooledge.org/~greg/ds |
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| 10:15.04 | teclo- | Hello, it seems I can't install live-helper, look: |
| 10:15.07 | streuner_ | ryan34: that should what kind of app spaces "eat" ^^^ |
| 10:15.11 | streuner_ | help* |
| 10:15.14 | teclo- | [root@lilith] 11:11 /root>aptitude install live-helper |
| 10:15.15 | teclo- | Couldn't find any package whose name or description matched "live-helper" |
| 10:15.22 | teclo- | ... huh ?? |
| 10:15.30 | dondelelcaro | Guerin: yeah... that's pretty much my setup too, though texlive these days is taking loads of space. (I use some "wierd" latex classes and packages) |
| 10:15.54 | Guerin | i just installed texlive-* |
| 10:16.07 | Guerin | disk is cheap and I hate having to search out latex files |
| 10:16.07 | streuner_ | !+tell teclo- -about search |
| 10:16.08 | dpkg | told teclo- about search. |
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| 10:16.25 | enouf | anabain: if you read what i said, you'd see it's just a warning or similar |
| 10:16.29 | dondelelcaro | Guerin: yeah, before it I had loads of local classes and packages in my ~/texmf |
| 10:16.51 | BartVB | teclo-, live-helper is only in testing/unstable |
| 10:17.00 | Guerin | even so, i had to use one, because humsosci bibtex styles are hardly supported |
| 10:17.07 | Guerin | stupid mla |
| 10:17.13 | Guerin | easier to just reference manually |
| 10:17.31 | dondelelcaro | Guerin: heh. I refuse to use MLA |
| 10:17.37 | Guerin | yeh |
| 10:17.42 | Guerin | it's ambiguous |
| 10:17.46 | anabain | ok, enouf |
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| 10:17.48 | dondelelcaro | it's the most insane reference style ever designed |
| 10:18.10 | teclo- | BartVB: thank you... isn't there a backport for etch ? |
| 10:18.20 | dondelelcaro | it's like the designer got stuck on typewriters and never moved past them |
| 10:18.21 | Guerin | my faculty uses the most unambiguous of all - oxford, with full/short title footnote citations and no ibid or op cit |
| 10:18.40 | streuner_ | teclo-: How about to read what the bot told you? |
| 10:18.53 | first_EOF | when a software requires OpenGL version 2.0 and i have version 1.4 on my system, and i use the NVidia native driver, what do i have to weak so the version fits the requirements? |
| 10:19.02 | dondelelcaro | Guerin: heh. here it's pretty much just natbib |
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| 10:19.09 | teclo- | streuner_: I did read, and I did do aptitude search live, and live-helper isn't there... |
| 10:19.26 | streuner_ | teclo-: Doesnt the factoid told you about pdo ? |
| 10:19.50 | teclo- | streuner_: ouch yes, I forgot about packages.debian.org ... sorry... |
| 10:20.24 | streuner_ | s/Doesnt/Didnt/ |
| 10:20.34 | enouf | streuner_: see how well this one works; dpkg-query -W -f='${Installed-Size} \t${Package} \t${Status} \n' | grep installed | sort -rg | less |
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| 10:22.04 | first_EOF | dpkg: opengl |
| 10:22.04 | dpkg | opengl is probably (Open Graphics Language) This is a 3D graphics API developed by Silicon Graphics., but at http://www.eecs.tulane.edu/www/Terry/OpenGL/Introduction.html. There is also a free implementation for it, ask me about mesa |
| 10:22.14 | Guerin | bah, i swear they make referencing styles this complicated to keep stupid people from going to grad skool |
| 10:22.17 | first_EOF | dpkg: mesa |
| 10:22.18 | dpkg | i guess mesa is the free implementation of the OpenGL API, more information is at http://www.mesa3d.org/ or ask me about 'glx' |
| 10:22.44 | first_EOF | ah, it works in private too |
| 10:22.58 | first_EOF | and the GLX parts come from the driver? |
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| 10:24.01 | streuner_ | dpkg, no ds is <reply> ds was a little perl script that lists installed Debian packages in descending size order. It's available at http://wooledge.org/~greg/ds or just this "dpkg-query -W -f='${Installed-Size} \t${Package} \t${Status} \n' | grep installed | sort -rg | less" |
| 10:24.02 | dpkg | okay, streuner_ |
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| 10:25.19 | streuner_ | dpkg, ds =~ s/just this/just use this/ |
| 10:25.20 | dpkg | streuner_: OK |
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| 10:27.33 | enouf | !prize streuner_ |
| 10:27.46 | enouf | bah .. where's the beer dpkg ? |
| 10:27.58 | streuner_ | Don't let me the "hakadance" doing to you! |
| 10:28.05 | enouf | or even a pony O.o |
| 10:29.35 | enouf | oh n03z, not the hakadance |
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| 10:33.20 | streuner_ | Guerin: so, how is life today? |
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| 10:34.15 | first_EOF | is my question too dumb to be answered? |
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| 10:35.10 | streuner_ | "native driver"? |
| 10:35.14 | wols_ | I doubt there is a opengl 2.0 capable driver right now |
| 10:35.19 | wols_ | streuner_: "nvidia" |
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| 10:35.40 | streuner_ | sure, but from there website or from Debian... |
| 10:35.50 | first_EOF | so the GLX related modules come from the driver package? |
| 10:36.03 | Airbottle | hmz, i installed k3b on debian but when i run it it hangs, how can i shut it down? its not possible to end that process in process manager, i tried kill -9 ID but it doesn't do anything, what should i do? |
| 10:37.11 | toicontento | Airbottle, are you running it as root ? |
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| 10:37.22 | Airbottle | no |
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| 10:37.56 | Airbottle | process manager says that its not interruptable |
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| 10:41.23 | CAiRO | hi |
| 10:41.57 | first_EOF | 750 client connections, and nobody is taking the Q&A |
| 10:42.01 | CAiRO | i got new tfts and connected them and in Xorg everythign works fine, but when i try to switch to a console (ctrl+alt+f1), the screen stays black.. what could be the reason for that? |
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| 10:42.21 | wols_ | CAiRO: bad driver |
| 10:42.40 | CAiRO | wol_: i mean in the kernel? |
| 10:42.41 | wols_ | first_EOF: why don't you just try? |
| 10:42.42 | CAiRO | you |
| 10:42.49 | wols_ | CAiRO: no I mean X |
| 10:43.02 | first_EOF | wols_: try what? keep repeating my question till somebody flames me? |
| 10:43.33 | CAiRO | wols_: but in X, everything works fine |
| 10:43.36 | wols_ | no, try the program that needs opengl 2 |
| 10:43.37 | Airbottle | hmz, i installed k3b on debian but when i run it it hangs, how can i shut it down? its not possible to end that process in process manager, i tried kill -9 ID but it doesn't do anything, what should i do? someone an idea? |
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| 10:43.49 | enouf | Airbottle: kill it as root |
| 10:43.50 | wols_ | CAiRO: so? |
| 10:43.53 | CAiRO | when i connect my old crt after pressing ctrl+alt+f1, i can see the console, but not when i connect the tft |
| 10:44.17 | wols_ | CAiRO: do you have stuff on screen when booting up (on your tft screen that is) |
| 10:44.24 | Airbottle | it doesnt work enouf |
| 10:44.28 | first_EOF | the application is the second level problem. the first level is my lack of understanding where the GLX related modules come from, either from the Xorg related packages, from additional packages, from the driver package, etc. |
| 10:44.41 | CAiRO | i haven't booted yet |
| 10:44.45 | CAiRO | i guess i should do so |
| 10:44.51 | enouf | Airbottle: eject /dev/cdrom |
| 10:45.05 | teclo- | Hello, when doing lh_build, here is what I got: E: lh_chroot_proc missing |
| 10:45.07 | enouf | Airbottle: what heck is process mangler? |
| 10:46.07 | Airbottle | its the program that displays processor, network, memory uses |
| 10:46.10 | enouf | where are you getting it's PID from, use man tools like ps aux, or pstree |
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| 10:46.39 | enouf | Airbottle: program? how do you start it? KDE? Gnome? close that crap |
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| 10:48.20 | Airbottle | the opened files are /proc/sys/dev/cdrom/info |
| 10:48.30 | Airbottle | /dev/hdb |
| 10:48.34 | Airbottle | /dev/null |
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| 10:49.38 | enouf | lsof would tell you that |
| 10:51.25 | enouf | Airbottle: is your device actually burning a cd/dvd at the moment? maybe it's blanking an RW for you? |
| 10:51.48 | enouf | (i tried that once, and thats the last time i ever do :-)) |
| 10:51.52 | Airbottle | no, i just started k3b and it freezes on the begin screen |
| 10:52.10 | enouf | you did something wrong them |
| 10:52.16 | enouf | then* |
| 10:52.22 | Airbottle | and that screen is on top of my other windows so its really annoying |
| 10:52.25 | Airbottle | maybe |
| 10:53.00 | Airbottle | i installed k3b and then i installed the ape codec from here http://www.k3b.org/download |
| 10:53.14 | enouf | Airbottle: if init doesn't own the process, from being orphaned, kill -9 PID as root will work |
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| 10:54.05 | Airbottle | i did that for several times |
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| 10:54.10 | enouf | Airbottle: ahh , non-Debian pkgs ;-) nice work - you know what you're doing right? ;-) |
| 10:54.12 | Airbottle | but without reaction |
| 10:54.24 | Airbottle | not really, i'm quite a newb |
| 10:54.37 | enouf | Airbottle: reboot then - you did it wrong, and as i said, init owns it now, that's why |
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| 10:55.15 | Airbottle | ah ok |
| 10:55.26 | Airbottle | i'll give it a try |
| 10:55.29 | enouf | Airbottle: heh, try ctrl+c in whatever terminal you lauched it in |
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| 10:55.45 | enouf | but i bet your all GUI :-) |
| 10:55.54 | Airbottle | i lauched it from the applications menu |
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| 10:56.02 | enouf | yep ;-) reboot |
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| 10:59.46 | enouf | you coulda prolly just killed your xsession, or your DE sesssion, but oh well |
| 11:00.05 | enouf | even telinit 1, then telinit 2 |
| 11:01.23 | BartVB | oh my :) I think I've solved my blktrace problem (with 'inappropriate IOCTL'). From /proc/config.gz: # CONFIG_BLK_DEV_IO_TRACE is not set |
| 11:01.30 | BartVB | I guess I need to build a new kernel first :\ |
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| 11:07.04 | Airbottle | ok, it works now |
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| 11:11.59 | Kamping_Kaiser | can someone tell me what the dpkg factoid is for building "real" debian mirrrors (eg, not with debmirror) |
| 11:12.44 | dondelelcaro | Kamping_Kaiser: you want anonftpsync which is linked from debian.org/mirrors |
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| 11:13.06 | Kamping_Kaiser | dondelelcaro, thanks! :) |
| 11:13.25 | Crypticfortune | I'm looking for a wood way to handle citations for writing a scientific paper in openoffice.org. some google searching found some packages, but they all seemed like they were stalled projects. any recommendations? (ideally something that can use my existing bibtex data) |
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| 11:13.46 | dondelelcaro | Crypticfortune: my suggestion is not to use openoffice.org, but to use latex. |
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| 11:14.09 | dondelelcaro | Crypticfortune: all non-LaTeX methods are an exercise in enduring pain. |
| 11:14.16 | Crypticfortune | dondelelcaro: that'd be nice, and what i usually use, but this journal requires word documents as submissions =( |
| 11:14.29 | dondelelcaro | Crypticfortune: so copy and paste from the pdf you generate into a word document |
| 11:14.35 | dondelelcaro | Crypticfortune: which journal, btw? |
| 11:14.57 | zarac | how do i make it so when using the file explorer (nautilus), i don't get new windows opened every time i open a directory? |
| 11:14.59 | dondelelcaro | (almost all of them that I've been published in "want" doc, but will take pdfs) |
| 11:15.09 | Crypticfortune | dondelelcaro: hahaha ewww. Might as well type directly into word then... and the journal is Genome Research |
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| 11:16.14 | zarac | oh yeah.. without changing to "always open browser windows" =D |
| 11:16.29 | dondelelcaro | Crypticfortune: uh... they accept latex |
| 11:16.30 | zarac | or nm.. i can just remove all the toolbars etc.. |
| 11:17.05 | dondelelcaro | Crypticfortune: you just submit a PDF |
| 11:17.14 | dondelelcaro | (and they usually want the tex upon acceptance) |
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| 11:18.32 | Crypticfortune | dondelelcaro: for the initial manuscript yes, but as far as i can tell from this (http://www.genome.org/misc/ifora_acceptedmss.shtml) they require word for final submissions... |
| 11:18.53 | Crypticfortune | dondelelcaro: if i'm reading that wrong, and pdf/tex is fine, then i'll be thrilled... |
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| 11:19.01 | dondelelcaro | Crypticfortune: they're almost certainly lying, actually... and even so, it's far easier to just do the entire manuscript in latex, and copy and paste into openoffice after acceptance |
| 11:19.27 | dondelelcaro | since otherwise you're going to be wasting hours of time fighting with references |
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| 11:20.19 | Crypticfortune | dondelelcaro: i know...i started, got frustrated, and am thus asking for recommendations ;) |
| 11:20.48 | haary | which file system would you recommend for a large filesystem with large files on it (up to 1 TB)? |
| 11:21.02 | weedar | Is there a quick-and-easy way of enabling the root account? (currently use sudo) |
| 11:21.17 | dondelelcaro | weedar: give it an enabled password. |
| 11:21.28 | Crypticfortune | dondelelcaro: right. that settles it. i'll just write in latex... |
| 11:21.46 | weedar | dondelelcaro: so all I have to do is run "passwd"? That's too easy, thanks! :) |
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| 11:21.55 | hendry | Crypticfortune: or HTML ;) |
| 11:22.17 | dondelelcaro | uh... you can't be seriously recommending writing something with hundreds of references in html |
| 11:22.38 | hendry | dondelelcaro: we do it for HTML5 document |
| 11:22.48 | hendry | dondelelcaro: which has hundreds of references |
| 11:22.52 | mephux | hendry: have fun |
| 11:23.03 | dondelelcaro | hendry: oh, it could be done, but it's a total waste of time |
| 11:23.09 | eth01 | you shouldn't be using html5, use 4.01 strict |
| 11:23.10 | eth01 | imho |
| 11:23.30 | hendry | eth01: we could argue all day my man |
| 11:23.39 | eth01 | ... |
| 11:23.41 | eth01 | please do. |
| 11:23.43 | hendry | dondelelcaro: here is another example http://hsivonen.iki.fi/thesis/ (not html5 spec) |
| 11:23.57 | eth01 | and, errrr, i'm not your "man" ;) |
| 11:23.58 | eth01 | heh |
| 11:24.05 | hendry | eth01: join #htmlwg and ask there |
| 11:25.09 | mephux | html is an ugly in all respects. |
| 11:25.23 | hendry | mephux: try M$ word |
| 11:25.29 | hendry | or OOXML mephux |
| 11:25.36 | dondelelcaro | hendry: uh... that doesn't have any references that I can see, actually. |
| 11:25.43 | mephux | clever with the $ |
| 11:25.45 | mephux | nice |
| 11:25.53 | mephux | ;-\ |
| 11:26.01 | hendry | dondelelcaro: http://hsivonen.iki.fi/thesis/dippa.bib |
| 11:26.01 | dondelelcaro | hendry: and it's certainly more work to compose than the corresponding work in LaTeX |
| 11:26.12 | dondelelcaro | hendry: references in the text, not the bibliography |
| 11:26.28 | sphenxes | I am a beginner and would like to write some programs using C++. I have some done already on pc (linux, gcc). my question i would like to transfer this simple programs to my cell phone.? what do I need in order the programs works on cell phone? |
| 11:26.30 | hendry | dondelelcaro: you're probably right, just suggesting an alternative |
| 11:27.07 | mephux | sphenxes: what type of phone and java is usally the standard i thought |
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| 11:27.14 | dondelelcaro | writing a bibliography is trivial; it's getting the references in the text in the correct format in the right order that is the actual trick, and the thing that bibtex+latex excells at. |
| 11:27.20 | wols_ | sphenxes: a cross compiler. if your phone can even run C++ binaries |
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| 11:27.40 | Crypticfortune | hendry: i agree with dondelelcaro, but, for now HTML is even more unacceptable than latex, so i'm gonna with with latex ;) |
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| 11:28.07 | wols_ | Crypticfortune: why not somthing like lyx? |
| 11:28.08 | hendry | dondelelcaro: agreed. though i still think it's a less steep learning curve to use HTML for some. |
| 11:28.09 | toicontento | sphenxes, why not java ?, is more convenient if want it to be portable. |
| 11:28.12 | wols_ | dondelelcaro: would lyx be ok? |
| 11:28.14 | sphenxes | mephux, that is my problem. Java is the standard. but is it possible to run c++ on cell phone (NOKIA 6630 |
| 11:28.32 | wols_ | sphenxes: ask nokia if it's possible, not us |
| 11:28.45 | dondelelcaro | wols_: I don't know; I haven't used it extensively. For most things LaTeX is simple enough to use. |
| 11:28.48 | mephux | sphenxes: I am not 100% on this but: No |
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| 11:29.38 | dondelelcaro | hendry: almost anyone can learn basic latex in a day; assuming you are just using existing styles, it's fairly simple. |
| 11:29.57 | sphenxes | so the only way is to program in Java? i have no problem with Java, but i thought c++ can also work on cell phones, thanks |
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| 11:30.24 | Crypticfortune | wols_: i already have lots of my work written up in latex from other papers, so latex already has that going for it. but i'm not familiar with doing anything more than typing a simple letter in lyx. does lyx have handy citation/referencing features? |
| 11:30.29 | mephux | sphenxes: Java is the way to go.. unless you own an iPhone |
| 11:30.30 | dondelelcaro | sphenxes: it depends on the cell phone |
| 11:30.38 | wols_ | sphenxes: gogle J2ME. and for future mobile questions that aren't debian related, ask in another channel please |
| 11:31.11 | wols_ | Crypticfortune: no clue. but it is a bit more like a wordprocessor and happens to spit out tex |
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| 11:32.31 | Crypticfortune | wol_: my dream package is something that takes bibtex+latex+eps files and spits out .doc, but i don't think that exists (and thanks to the insanity that is word, probably never will) |
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| 11:33.30 | wols_ | hendry: depends on the lappie |
| 11:33.34 | wols_ | especially on the CPU |
| 11:33.36 | Crypticfortune | hendry: depends on where the thermal sensor is... |
| 11:33.38 | mephux | hendry: 120+ |
| 11:34.05 | wols_ | mephux: a P4 lappie can have a lot higher temps than a C2D |
| 11:34.22 | wols_ | mephux: so absolute values are useless. especially ones without a unit |
| 11:35.07 | maniacxs | hi, i am trying to build a vanilla kernel on a debian with make-kpkg it stops with an assembler error: http://pastebin.ca/826708 any ideas? |
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| 11:35.25 | Crypticfortune | i take it we're talking about a cpu thermal sensor then? |
| 11:35.33 | maniacxs | this try was with the defconfig. |
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| 11:35.58 | hendry | Crypticfortune: i am not 100% sure where my THM0 THM1 are |
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| 11:36.28 | mephux | hendry: laptop modle/make would be nice. |
| 11:36.52 | hendry | mephux: thinkpad x61 http://wiki.webvm.net/x61 |
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| 11:37.07 | mephux | hendry: ty one sec |
| 11:37.47 | Crypticfortune | hendry: more important than the sensors names is probably what driver is providing those sensors |
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| 11:39.19 | enouf | thinkwiki.org? |
| 11:39.56 | mephux | hendry: the x61 has a max temp of 100c after that the firmware will take over and control the CPU untill normal temp is achieved |
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| 11:40.41 | Crypticfortune | mephux: wow, clever firmware |
| 11:41.07 | hendry | mephux: how do you know that? |
| 11:41.23 | mephux | hendry: google and knowing how to read |
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| 11:41.58 | hendry | mephux: that would be funny if I was 10 years old |
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| 11:42.22 | mephux | hendry: regarding the location of the sensor, no idea. |
| 11:42.37 | mephux | hendry: I was not being rude.. |
| 11:42.43 | AbsintheSyringe | my usb just stopped showing up, I see them in dmesg,, I'm in plugdev, powerdev, netdev group, I see them normally under /dev/sd*1 they are just not labeled, so before I add them manually to fstab any better ideas? |
| 11:43.31 | wols_ | AbsintheSyringe: what do you use for automounting? |
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| 11:43.57 | Swampy | does the network manager only apply the settings in /etc/network/interfaces when a cable is connected to the nic? |
| 11:44.11 | AbsintheSyringe | wols_, dbus, hal kde |
| 11:45.33 | hendry | mephux: then please just provide a URL of the source |
| 11:45.53 | Swampy | oh seems im missing some auto, my bad |
| 11:46.21 | mephux | hendry: http://forum.notebookreview.com/showthread.php?t=161869&page=6 |
| 11:46.33 | mephux | how come so many people are up at this time... crazy |
| 11:46.51 | joeyjones | mephux: ever heard of timezones? |
| 11:47.01 | mephux | joeyjones: no.. |
| 11:47.01 | enouf | damn squatters :-p |
| 11:47.04 | Swampy | well it's past noon in this part of the world |
| 11:47.06 | mephux | joeyjones: go on |
| 11:47.36 | mephux | Swampy: where are you? |
| 11:47.37 | Crypticfortune | mephux: 8:47pm here |
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| 11:47.46 | Swampy | mephux: denmark |
| 11:47.57 | mephux | Crypticfortune: and you? |
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| 11:48.06 | Crypticfortune | japan |
| 11:48.34 | mephux | nice.. wish I lived in Asia and Europe still.. fuck america |
| 11:49.05 | Swampy | well no comment on that statement |
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| 11:51.51 | mephux | anyone in here using irssi? If so, ever have an issue with the default script path unknown? |
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| 11:52.39 | faber4 | hi everybody |
| 11:52.46 | mephux | faber4: hello |
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| 11:53.04 | faber4 | whats the best method to watch a directory for changes? |
| 11:54.00 | SPF | faber4: try man watch |
| 11:54.08 | Swampy | crc sum of the listing? |
| 11:54.24 | mephux | on another note for review of log files check out www.splunk.com |
| 11:54.35 | faber4 | well, i dont want to poll, i want the kernel to give me a callback |
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| 11:54.59 | faber4 | spotlight uses some new infrastracture in mac os x for that |
| 11:55.19 | mephux | ? you are on a mac? |
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| 11:55.48 | faber4 | mephux: i am on all, but my question is about debian linux on intel |
| 11:56.13 | toicontento | faber4, gamin |
| 11:56.17 | faber4 | i was thinking to write a fuse wrapper |
| 11:56.19 | starscalling | Now Playing: Mickey Avalon - My Dick (feat. Dirt Nasty & Andre Legacy) [Mickey Avalon, MP3, ★★★★★] |
| 11:56.23 | starscalling | yaknow |
| 11:56.25 | starscalling | linux rox ^_^ |
| 11:56.50 | mephux | faber4: I am to is all.. just shoocked to find another on this channel.. well if you were in OS X it would be easy.. unsure otherwise |
| 11:57.28 | faber4 | mephux: yeah i also dont know if there is a right channel for my question |
| 11:57.46 | mephux | faber4: nope, that is why I am here. |
| 11:58.01 | mephux | you can try #mac but they are all idiots |
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| 11:59.04 | toicontento | faber4, have you tried with gamin ?, it does exactly what you asked |
| 11:59.05 | faber4 | mephux: i am angry with mac. updated to leopard and since my laptop cannot stay awake for more than 20 minutes. |
| 11:59.33 | mephux | faber4: hhmm, which notebook? macbook, pro, ibook |
| 11:59.45 | faber4 | mephux: pro |
| 12:00.18 | mephux | faber4: reset the pram |
| 12:00.45 | faber4 | mephux: thats under the keyboard? (it was on my g4) |
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| 12:00.51 | mephux | faber4: http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?artnum=303319 |
| 12:01.06 | mephux | thats a guide for the macbook pro |
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| 12:01.29 | faber4 | mephux: so resetting the pram is just a guess, or have you heard of my problem? |
| 12:02.07 | mephux | I have heard of it and on mac units resetting the pram and SMC will fix everything 9 times out of 10. |
| 12:02.32 | mephux | faber4: its a good first step is all. |
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| 12:04.07 | mephux | faber4: btw did you upgrade or did you preform a clean install? |
| 12:04.37 | faber4 | mephux: the step describes resetting the smc and nvram by pressing the power button while neither ac nor battery attached. whats the pram? |
| 12:04.54 | faber4 | mephux: i did an upgrade. keeping the user settings |
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| 12:05.56 | mephux | faber4: sorry, http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?artnum=88275 |
| 12:06.10 | mephux | faber4: For the PMU/PRAM ^^^ |
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| 12:06.43 | mephux | lol oopss nevermind one sec.. |
| 12:07.12 | faber4 | mephux: slot load disk drive?? lol |
| 12:07.13 | ronr | if the route table on a server is correct and some other box uses that server as a gateway, but the gateway doesn't work, what could be the problem? |
| 12:07.21 | mephux | faber4: http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?artnum=2238 |
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| 12:07.51 | mephux | faber4: basiclly reboot and hold Command+P+R to reset. |
| 12:07.54 | toicontento | ronr, do you hav ip_forward enabled ?, or any kind of firewall ? |
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| 12:09.06 | ronr | toicontento: iptables has FORWARD policy set to ACCEPT,, where do I find ip_forward? |
| 12:09.17 | faber4 | mephux: and that other thing, the smc? should i also reset that? |
| 12:09.24 | mephux | faber4: Yes. |
| 12:09.30 | mephux | faber4: do both.. |
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| 12:09.41 | Cr3ature | the tasksel GUI is horrible |
| 12:09.49 | Cr3ature | all the error text keep coming on top of it |
| 12:09.52 | Cr3ature | and it gets all messy |
| 12:09.53 | toicontento | /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward |
| 12:10.18 | Cr3ature | can you run it without the GUI |
| 12:10.18 | ronr | toicontento: that did it, thanks! |
| 12:10.22 | mephux | faber4: Come back if this does not help. |
| 12:10.51 | casanova- | hm |
| 12:10.54 | wols_ | !tell ronr about doesn't work |
| 12:10.56 | faber4 | mephux: i have to try tonight... still at work |
| 12:11.22 | faber4 | mephux: its very annoying. it actually drains the battery while its sleeping! really weird |
| 12:12.00 | mephux | faber4: Sounds like a power issue for sure. I have the same issues with my iMac not to long ago where it would not sleep at all. |
| 12:12.08 | wols_ | faber4: drains battery while in debian or while in OSX? |
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| 12:12.41 | faber4 | wols_: os x |
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| 12:12.52 | faber4 | mephux: that describes my problem: http://www.macnn.com/articles/07/11/21/leopard.frozen.keyboards/ |
| 12:12.53 | mephux | faber4: resetting the PRAM and SMC is a Mac good habbit like reinstalling Windows ever 2 weeks. |
| 12:12.58 | wols_ | faber4: then ask your questins in #apple or such please |
| 12:13.15 | wols_ | mephux: it's fine to help people but do it in #apple |
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| 12:13.20 | Cr3ature | why does the Tasksel completely freeze to 100%?? |
| 12:13.31 | mephux | wols_: Its Debian related.. He simply needed to know if Linux dual boot was the root of the issue |
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| 12:13.38 | wols_ | Cr3ature: go into another VT and check what it runs |
| 12:13.40 | Cr3ature | i did the "tasksel install standard" |
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| 12:13.57 | karmatronic | hi |
| 12:13.58 | wols_ | mephux: it is certainly not dbeian related. and you know it. so help elsewhere |
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| 12:14.11 | mephux | wols_: word ;) |
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| 12:14.22 | mephux | faber4: meet me in #apple |
| 12:14.25 | Cr3ature | wols_: its runnig itself |
| 12:14.27 | karmatronic | how do you guys forward sound , vlc or icecast ? |
| 12:14.48 | wols_ | Cr3ature: no child processes? |
| 12:15.01 | Cr3ature | wols_: ps xua | grep tasks |
| 12:15.10 | Cr3ature | only the one with: tasksel install standard |
| 12:15.29 | wols_ | Cr3ature: the children wouldn't be called tasksel, would they? |
| 12:15.46 | wols_ | you don't use |grep tasks... |
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| 12:15.57 | Cr3ature | err |
| 12:16.12 | Cr3ature | how do i find it then? |
| 12:16.18 | wols_ | with ps aux |
| 12:16.47 | Cr3ature | i can't copypaste the line cause its so long |
| 12:17.02 | Cr3ature | can i wrap it? |
| 12:17.35 | Cr3ature | maybe little \n if the line is too long |
| 12:18.25 | Cr3ature | there is three lines |
| 12:18.28 | Cr3ature | ill just pastebin them |
| 12:19.17 | Cr3ature | wols_: http://pastebin.com/m31835ddd |
| 12:19.27 | Cr3ature | and this is the second time in reinstalling |
| 12:19.46 | Cr3ature | last time the tasksel also froze so i just reinstalled |
| 12:20.24 | wols_ | just don't use tasksel |
| 12:20.32 | Cr3ature | well what then |
| 12:20.49 | wols_ | use aptitude |
| 12:21.07 | Cr3ature | hand pick all the packets |
| 12:21.08 | wols_ | you can install debian without ever using tasksel |
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| 12:21.12 | wols_ | no |
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| 12:21.27 | Cr3ature | how then |
| 12:21.37 | Cr3ature | i would like to have somekind of standard installation |
| 12:22.14 | wols_ | man tasksel |
| 12:22.23 | Cr3ature | Xfce Desktop is what im after here |
| 12:22.26 | Cr3ature | can i do that? |
| 12:22.27 | wols_ | you can see what packages tasksel installs on its own |
| 12:22.37 | Cr3ature | oh |
| 12:22.41 | wols_ | sure. aptitude install xfce4 xorg and you have it |
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| 12:23.00 | wols_ | all that tasksel does is installing a bunch of packages together |
| 12:23.19 | duncan | Hello |
| 12:24.05 | duncan | what has happened? |
| 12:24.45 | Cr3ature | tasksel --test --task-packages standard install |
| 12:25.35 | Cr3ature | it displays three packs |
| 12:25.51 | Cr3ature | that arent even in the atp |
| 12:25.53 | Cr3ature | apt |
| 12:26.08 | hark | aptitude search ~pstandard |
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| 12:26.51 | Cr3ature | oh so you can have ~ is packet name |
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| 12:27.41 | Cr3ature | aptitude install ~pstandard ~prequired ~pimportant |
| 12:28.26 | Cr3ature | can you shomehow list all the packets you have installed atm? |
| 12:28.59 | toicontento | dpkg -l |
| 12:29.00 | hark | aptitude search ~i |
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| 12:29.31 | hark | !installed |
| 12:29.31 | dpkg | To list installed packages, COLUMNS=200 dpkg -l |awk '/^[hi]i/{print $2}'; man dpkg; man grep; man awk; If you use aptitude, try aptitude search -F '%100p' '~i!~M'; |
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| 12:31.51 | berzerka | how can i list the contents of a package which is not installed? dpkg -L works only for installed. |
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| 12:32.15 | wols_ | berzerka: apt-file possibly |
| 12:32.21 | wols_ | or simply go to packages.debian.org |
| 12:32.34 | berzerka | wols_: okay, thanks. |
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| 12:35.16 | ice63 | wols_: how can i set my wallpaper in openbox ? |
| 12:35.29 | wols_ | no clue |
| 12:35.36 | Cr3ature | im gonna take the "Installed Packets" list from my other computer |
| 12:35.46 | Cr3ature | then im gonna give it to my: aptitude install |
| 12:36.16 | Cr3ature | ill just have to convert all the \n:s to SPC |
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| 12:36.44 | wols_ | !tell Cr3ature about reinstall |
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| 12:37.06 | Cr3ature | what |
| 12:37.07 | readon | how to tunnel the serial input to tty0? |
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| 12:37.23 | Cr3ature | someone had already done it :O |
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| 12:37.33 | readon | ex. ttySAC0 -> tty0 |
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| 12:39.31 | zignig | bleh! |
| 12:40.08 | zignig | silence ............ |
| 12:40.33 | petemc | what kind of response would you expect to bleh? |
| 12:40.54 | petemc | readon: a named pipe perhaps |
| 12:41.14 | zignig | petemc: none. |
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| 12:41.44 | zignig | petemc: a blunt too many over here. :P |
| 12:42.19 | petemc | a common complaint |
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| 12:42.35 | zignig | petemc: how many debian machines do you run? |
| 12:42.54 | Azar | ice63: use feh |
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| 12:43.23 | gg | ubuntu or debian hmm |
| 12:43.33 | petemc | zignig: i have > 20 in my main place of work, half a dozen at home and i admin another couple of dozen for various people |
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| 12:43.54 | zignig | petemc: nice. :) |
| 12:44.07 | petemc | beats stacking shelves |
| 12:44.40 | zignig | petemc: I have to admit (at this juncture) that I run ubuntu on desktop machines and stable on servers. :P |
| 12:45.01 | gg | debian not good for desktop? |
| 12:45.10 | petemc | it is, so is ubuntu |
| 12:45.22 | zignig | gg: it is but, all to much config to get _G_ running. |
| 12:45.32 | gg | hmm |
| 12:45.32 | Azar | gg use debian if you want to learn linux, ubuntu if you don't feel like learning |
| 12:45.37 | Airbottl1 | debian makes an exelllent desktop gg |
| 12:45.58 | zignig | gg: most of my work is ssh. ubuting nice and shiny :) |
| 12:46.14 | gg | Well i actually used both before but its been ages since i set things up |
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| 12:46.25 | gg | and I only ssh into the deb box |
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| 12:46.51 | gg | ubuntu is like windows |
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| 12:47.12 | Airbottl1 | i am a newb to linux gg and i think debian makes an excellent desktop so it cannot be that difficult |
| 12:47.48 | gg | you used ubuntu? |
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| 12:48.01 | Airbottl1 | yes, it was too shiny for me |
| 12:48.14 | gg | I thought that wouldve been a good thing heh |
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| 12:48.32 | eth01 | i wonder what dpkg has to say about ubuntu |
| 12:48.35 | eth01 | heh |
| 12:48.40 | saint_mon | i have fc8 installed in my slave hdd and winXP in my primary hdd. i decided to install debian in primary hdd. now my problem is that fc8 was not detected in the Grub bootloader. what should i do so i cant also boot in fc8? |
| 12:48.43 | eth01 | i'm sure it's good ... ;) |
| 12:48.59 | Airbottl1 | yes ubuntu is good |
| 12:49.03 | eth01 | saint_mon, edit the grub conf? |
| 12:49.10 | Airbottl1 | but the good old debian is better :) |
| 12:49.11 | gg | sorry I am not up to speed with the developments what about dpkg? |
| 12:49.30 | eth01 | !tell gg about dpkg |
| 12:49.33 | Azar | gg is like driving your own car (debian) versus riding a bus (ubuntu) |
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| 12:49.52 | gg | bus! |
| 12:49.58 | gg | driving the bus? |
| 12:50.10 | Penix | wheels go 'round! |
| 12:50.11 | saint_mon | and if i will edit id. what should i put? i just started linux about 4months from now |
| 12:50.11 | Azar | no, riding a bus |
| 12:50.19 | saint_mon | it* |
| 12:50.28 | gg | riding a bike |
| 12:50.42 | paulliu | Airbottl1: Are you using Debian stable?? |
| 12:50.47 | gg | hmm got a blank screen after booting the debian cd |
| 12:50.48 | Airbottl1 | yes etch |
| 12:50.52 | Airbottl1 | but i use some backports |
| 12:50.57 | Azar | gg: no , it means being in control of the wheel, or someone else drives for you |
| 12:51.00 | paulliu | Airbottl1: For desktop? |
| 12:51.02 | Airbottl1 | for openoffice and gnome |
| 12:51.08 | Airbottl1 | yes paulliu |
| 12:51.38 | gg | this blank screen is rather annoying |
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| 12:52.06 | SPF | saint_mon: http://www.linuxselfhelp.com/gnu/grub/html_chapter/grub_1.html |
| 12:52.47 | wols_ | saint_mon: add it to /boot/grub/menu.lst |
| 12:52.49 | Airbottl1 | the only thing that maybe should be adjustable is that every 30 times that you boot, the OS checks your HD's, and if you have big HD it takes a lot of time, is there a way to do the HD check manually? |
| 12:52.55 | wols_ | saint_mon: you will need to add it manually |
| 12:53.01 | paulliu | Airbottl1: Wow.. I have many years not using Debian stable... |
| 12:53.10 | wols_ | Airbottl1: tune2fs |
| 12:53.17 | Airbottl1 | ok thanks wols_ |
| 12:53.18 | paulliu | Airbottl1: I'm using unstable currently... |
| 12:53.31 | gg | is it normaly to get a blank screen for extended periods of time when booting the deb cd? |
| 12:53.42 | karmatronic | paulliu: isnt this painfull ? |
| 12:54.01 | paulliu | karmatronic: stable is painfull, too..:P |
| 12:54.19 | paulliu | karmatronic: Different kind of painfull... |
| 12:54.20 | gg | "cound not find kernel image: 1" weird |
| 12:54.50 | paulliu | However, if I want to install some newbie's computer for their desktop, I'll install Ubuntu... |
| 12:55.06 | gg | sorry any idea why the screen just goes blank after told it to boot the cd? |
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| 12:56.15 | Azar | gg did you switched the primary boot drive in the bios? |
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| 12:56.41 | gg | Well I installed ubuntu fine |
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| 12:57.09 | gg | I get the boot up screen, but when I press enter for it to install, it dumps a whole log of loading info then goes to a blank screen |
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| 12:57.45 | gg | i am using debian-40r0-i386-CD-1.iso |
| 12:57.48 | fuzzy_logic | hi people.. i can't login to my phpmyadmin and mysql with ssh.. i think i forgot my root password for mysql.. how can i change my root password? |
| 12:58.42 | Penix | you *think* you forgot it? |
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| 12:59.21 | gg | Should I get another installation cd? |
| 12:59.26 | fuzzy_logic | Penix: lol :P yes i think i forgot it.. it could of course also be that something creepy happened, you never know |
| 12:59.27 | zignig | fuzzy_logic: start mysql manually without auth running. |
| 12:59.28 | eth01 | Start Menu -> Control Panel -> Administrative Tools -> Services |
| 12:59.34 | paulliu | gg, isn't there 4.0r1? |
| 12:59.37 | eth01 | haha |
| 12:59.50 | gg | maybe, but this blank screen is rather strange |
| 12:59.56 | fuzzy_logic | zignig: what do you mean? by typing mysql -u root in ssh? |
| 13:00.01 | eth01 | SET PASSWORD FOR 'root'@'localhost' = PASSWORD('MyNewPassword'); |
| 13:00.02 | Airbottl1 | check the cd for errors |
| 13:00.05 | eth01 | that ^^ ... :) |
| 13:00.33 | fuzzy_logic | eth01: i can't login to mysql with the command line |
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| 13:00.42 | zignig | fuzzy_logic: by starting the process of mysql ( ie init script commands ) with auth turned off then run eth01's command. |
| 13:00.45 | Penix | gg: blue screen? black screen? tried switching to another terminal if possible? |
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| 13:00.58 | eth01 | fuzzy_logic, kill `cat /mysql-data-directory/host_name.pid` |
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| 13:01.47 | eth01 | fuzzy_logic, echo "SET PASSWORD FOR 'root'@'localhost' = PASSWORD('MyNewPassword'); |
| 13:01.50 | eth01 | ignore ^^ .. |
| 13:01.59 | cyzie | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:02.12 | kickback | I did aptitude remove --purge postgressql from my system, is it ok to remove postgres from the "passwd" file |
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| 13:02.45 | eth01 | fuzzy_logic, echo "SET PASSWORD FOR 'root'@'localhost' = PASSWORD('MyNewPassword');" >> mysql.pass && mysqld_safe --init-file=~/mysql-init & |
| 13:02.48 | fuzzy_logic | zignig: how do i turn off auth? |
| 13:03.08 | fuzzy_logic | eth01: thanks will try that |
| 13:03.18 | eth01 | you'll need to change it tho imho |
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| 13:03.36 | drunkmonkey | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:03.47 | eth01 | restart mysql in safe mode but specify the mysql.pass |
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| 13:04.07 | gg | Ok this blank screen sucks |
| 13:04.13 | eth01 | then delete it, run the command *again* and start normally. |
| 13:04.18 | gg | Where should I get a working install cd from? |
| 13:04.20 | wols_ | !tell saint_mon about rules |
| 13:04.40 | eth01 | !tell gg about install |
| 13:04.47 | wols_ | shahriar: do not message people, especially not unasked |
| 13:04.52 | Azar | gg tried F1 key? |
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| 13:05.26 | zignig | fuzzy_logic: I'm giving you directions not feeding you with a rusty spoon. Ask the goog? |
| 13:05.43 | gg | BSOD wouldve been better |
| 13:05.55 | gg | This is just black, no errors or anything |
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| 13:06.52 | zignig | gg: try setting your monitor on fire with lighter fluid. See if that works ? |
| 13:07.11 | SPF | gg: try your boot cd in a simulated environment like vmware |
| 13:08.10 | gg | er |
| 13:08.39 | zignig | gg: </joke> :) |
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| 13:08.43 | gg | Ok, so now my monitor is burning |
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| 13:08.47 | gg | its still not working |
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| 13:09.00 | gg | But these fumes are killing me |
| 13:09.51 | zignig | OHMYGOD the curtains are on fire! |
| 13:10.52 | gg | OMG you are psychic! quick somebody call the fire brigade! |
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| 13:11.01 | zignig | gg: :) |
| 13:11.02 | gg | I cant get out of my room |
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| 13:11.37 | gg | I will attempt to extinguish the fire using the fans from my computer |
| 13:12.04 | gg | by the way i typed installgui and that seems to work better |
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| 13:12.38 | gg | the default 'install' was blanking out |
| 13:13.12 | zignig | gg: install the text version and install X after. |
| 13:13.39 | gg | I can do that from installgui right? |
| 13:13.54 | gg | wait! This isnt another trick is it? like setting my monitor on fire? |
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| 13:15.03 | zignig | gg: no this is the TRUTH. |
| 13:15.08 | zignig | like FOX news. |
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| 13:15.20 | gg | I have to believe you now dont I |
| 13:15.32 | zignig | gg: maybe. :) |
| 13:15.44 | Dantix | hi #debian... are there a way to limit the traffic of specific service, for example SMTP |
| 13:16.06 | gg | I can give you a zignig answer |
| 13:16.15 | zignig | gg: a text install from debian works for everything from palmtop to mainframe. Thats why it rocks. |
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| 13:18.14 | spx2 | ok |
| 13:18.17 | spx2 | I'm back |
| 13:18.19 | spx2 | I have a problem |
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| 13:18.38 | spx2 | when I do iptables -t -nat I get something like -nat module is not loaded into kernel |
| 13:18.46 | spx2 | I have made an upgrade on the kernel the past few days |
| 13:18.55 | spx2 | aptitude upgrade made it actually |
| 13:19.04 | spx2 | and now I want to use iptables and I can't |
| 13:19.05 | happla | modprobe *correct module for nat* |
| 13:19.15 | spx2 | happla: what is correct module for nat ? |
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| 13:19.22 | gg | Man wireless network is annoying to setup in linux |
| 13:19.35 | amphi | !be iwconfig barbie |
| 13:19.35 | dpkg | But iwconfig is soooooo hard! :`( Ken, call me a waaaaahbulance *cry* |
| 13:19.54 | gg | I did that before but it just couldnt connect |
| 13:20.00 | happla | spx2: ;) - I dont remember |
| 13:20.01 | gg | maybe its my laptop who knows |
| 13:20.48 | spx2 | happla: what can I do to get a kernel wich is okay ? |
| 13:20.59 | spx2 | happla: do I really need to modprobe & etc,can't it just work ? |
| 13:21.00 | happla | spx2: do you package in your kernel? |
| 13:21.09 | happla | spx2: well, modules are really nice |
| 13:21.12 | spx2 | happla: package in my kernel ? |
| 13:21.24 | spx2 | happla: yes but I really want it to just work |
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| 13:21.39 | spx2 | happla: I wanted to focus on some iptables things and then this came up |
| 13:21.40 | gg | !be iwconfig |
| 13:21.45 | gg | what does that bot do |
| 13:21.52 | amphi | gg: what card? |
| 13:21.57 | happla | spx2: hold on |
| 13:22.09 | amphi | gg: it's 'be foo barbie' |
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| 13:23.15 | spx2 | happla: yes |
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| 13:25.04 | happla | spx2: iptables iptable_nat ip_conntrack |
| 13:25.09 | happla | spx2: is probably the modules you need |
| 13:25.19 | happla | spx2: http://linux.about.com/od/ipm_howto/a/hwtipm19t00_2.htm |
| 13:25.23 | spx2 | happla: let me try to load them |
| 13:25.40 | amphi | gg: do you have a working driver for your wireless card? |
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| 13:27.08 | happla | spx2: dont forget to add the modules in /etc/modules to |
| 13:27.17 | happla | spx2: one per line, so you will load them on a reboot to |
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| 13:27.27 | gg | maybe not amphi :-( |
| 13:27.47 | gg | thing is it detected that I have those network interfaces |
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| 13:28.14 | spx2 | happla: /etc/modules.conf ? |
| 13:28.26 | happla | spx2: no /etc/modules |
| 13:28.43 | spx2 | happla: ok |
| 13:28.47 | spx2 | ok I have 1.3.6 |
| 13:28.53 | spx2 | I have iptables 1.3.6 |
| 13:29.04 | happla | spx2: debian etch? |
| 13:29.09 | spx2 | I've read on a forum that iptables 1.3.7 does not havet these problems |
| 13:29.12 | spx2 | happla: yes,etch |
| 13:29.17 | happla | spx2: problems? |
| 13:29.24 | happla | spx2: needing kernel modules you mean? |
| 13:29.26 | spx2 | how can I get iptables 1.3.7 , is there any .deb anywhere with it ? |
| 13:29.33 | happla | spx2: what problems? |
| 13:29.37 | spx2 | happla: no,I tried loading those,made no difference |
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| 13:29.53 | spx2 | happla: is my problem located in the kernel or in iptables? |
| 13:29.55 | happla | spx2: I am 100% sure you can do NAT:ing in debian etch |
| 13:30.07 | spx2 | happla: I have upgraded the kernle |
| 13:30.08 | happla | spx2: when you run your command with iptables now, what error message do you get? |
| 13:30.14 | happla | spx2: have you compiled the kernel yourself? |
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| 13:30.38 | amphi | gg: if ifconfig shows the iface, the driver is loaded |
| 13:30.48 | amphi | gg: again, what card is this? |
| 13:31.32 | spx2 | happla: I'm not insane |
| 13:31.47 | happla | spx2: Was that my question? |
| 13:31.52 | xlotlu | amphi |
| 13:32.06 | spx2 | happla: I have not compiled it myself,I just did aptitude upgrade |
| 13:32.16 | happla | spx2: ok |
| 13:32.25 | spx2 | happla: what can I do to get things right |
| 13:32.27 | spx2 | ? |
| 13:32.27 | spx2 | ?? |
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| 13:32.40 | happla | spx2: did modprobe of thoose modules work? |
| 13:32.55 | spx2 | happla: it loaded the modules |
| 13:33.04 | happla | lsmod shows them? |
| 13:33.13 | happla | spx2: and if you run your iptablescommand now, what does it say? |
| 13:33.38 | spx2 | happla: yes it shows them |
| 13:33.48 | spx2 | happla: same iptables error |
| 13:33.52 | happla | spx2: wich is? |
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| 13:35.52 | spx2 | happla: iptables 1.3.6:can't initialize iptables table `-nat' : Table does not exist(do you need to insmod?) Perhaps iptables or your kernel needs to be upgraded |
| 13:36.05 | spx2 | how do I upgrade the iptables ? |
| 13:36.20 | happla | spx2: you dont need to upgrade your iptables |
| 13:36.27 | spx2 | happla: then what do I do? |
| 13:36.28 | happla | spx2: you need to insmod nat into your kernel =) |
| 13:36.33 | spx2 | wtf?!??! |
| 13:36.38 | happla | lsmod | grep nat |
| 13:36.38 | spx2 | this is great |
| 13:36.45 | amphi | hey xlotlu |
| 13:36.54 | spx2 | happla: can you help me get those modifications in modules after we finish ? |
| 13:37.14 | happla | modifcations of modules, you only need to load the nat/iptables netfilter modules |
| 13:37.18 | happla | is netfilter loaded |
| 13:37.19 | happla | ? |
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| 13:38.08 | spx2 | happla: how do I see if it is ? |
| 13:38.45 | spx2 | happla: lsmod | grep netfilter gives nothing |
| 13:39.47 | spx2 | happla: what do I lsmod ? |
| 13:40.26 | spx2 | happla: sorry,how do I insmod ? |
| 13:40.34 | happla | spx2: modproble modulename |
| 13:40.34 | spx2 | happla: help me out here,I'm in the dark |
| 13:40.37 | happla | ups |
| 13:40.39 | gg | debian installing but my network is fubar |
| 13:40.40 | happla | modprobe modulename |
| 13:40.57 | spx2 | happla: I tried insmod iptable_nat |
| 13:41.02 | happla | if someone else can help spx2 I would be greatful, since I am not 100% sure how - I don't wanna messup something |
| 13:41.04 | spx2 | happla: also tried insmod iptables |
| 13:41.07 | happla | ok |
| 13:41.10 | happla | didnt work? |
| 13:41.17 | spx2 | happla: nope |
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| 13:41.25 | spx2 | happla: don't worry,you won't mess up anythin |
| 13:42.25 | gg | great it detected my floppy as network hardware |
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| 13:44.33 | happla | spx2: the thing is I am having priobelsm myself with a folder of 40000 files =) |
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| 13:44.39 | hark | gg: what card? |
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| 13:45.23 | gg | well it says dhcp succeeded, but now I need to get the mirrors working |
| 13:45.27 | Administrator | could i redirect serial port input to tty0 using this command: exec 0>/dev/tty0 |
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| 13:46.57 | Readon | could i redirect serial port input to tty0 using this command: exec 0>/dev/tty0 |
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| 13:48.52 | Readon | sorry tty1 |
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| 13:49.36 | g0rd0n | hello! |
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| 13:50.01 | gg | hark: by the way i think it is a xircom |
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| 13:50.26 | g0rd0n | i added some sources to my etch box in /etc/apt/sources.list but when running aptitude update i get errors like this: "W: GPG error: http://www.proesdorf.de etch Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY FECA80DC766FE71A" how can i correct this? |
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| 13:51.23 | Ronin | g0rd0n: /topic |
| 13:51.25 | gg | ok cant find mirror |
| 13:51.31 | gg | I am going back to ubuntu -_- |
| 13:51.48 | g0rd0n | oh |
| 13:51.51 | g0rd0n | :P |
| 13:52.01 | zarac | what's the name of the partitioning program used during debian installation? |
| 13:52.15 | g0rd0n | i think parted |
| 13:52.23 | stew | zarac: partman |
| 13:52.23 | zarac | cfdisk maybe? =D |
| 13:52.28 | zarac | oh.. ok thanks |
| 13:52.49 | zarac | sorry.. i meant the old text-based one |
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| 13:53.14 | fuzzy_logic | hello again |
| 13:53.39 | fuzzy_logic | how can i see what the user/group of apache is? |
| 13:53.41 | stew | zarac: which old text-based one? fdisk? |
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| 13:54.44 | stew | fuzzy_logic: ps -eo egid,user,args | grep apache |
| 13:54.45 | g0rd0n | Ronin: dpkg only tells how to get signatures for debian repos, but i got a third party repo... what do i do now |
| 13:54.56 | g0rd0n | oh hold on |
| 13:55.00 | zarac | hmm.. i dunno stew .. maybe it is =D |
| 13:55.00 | fuzzy_logic | stew: thanks will try that |
| 13:55.01 | zarac | thanks |
| 13:55.07 | stew | g0rd0n: /msg dpkg apt-key 766FE71A |
| 13:55.17 | Yanomami | hi |
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| 13:56.11 | g0rd0n | stew: oh! thanks so much, i got it now :) |
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| 13:57.34 | troythetechguy | My current kernel is (Linux debian 2.6.18-5-486 ). When I run apt-get update/upgrade, I'm told the following package will be upgraded, " linux-image-2.6.18-5-486" Is this not already installed? |
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| 13:59.24 | stew | troythetechguy: it is already installed. its installing a newer version |
| 14:01.06 | troythetechguy | stew, Should the newer version have a different (higher) file name/number? |
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| 14:02.01 | stew | troythetechguy: yeah, it will, "apt-cache policy linux-image-2.6.18-5-486" will show you your current "Installed:" version and the "Candidate:" version that it is going to install |
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| 14:02.29 | stew | troythetechguy: the "2.6.18-5-486" in "linux-image-2.6.18-5-486" is part of the package name, not part of the package version |
| 14:02.54 | g0rd0n | i added the etch-backports repo to my machine, and i want to install the spamassassin package, but then it also wants to upgrade things like vim and mysql server / client among other things... what does mysql have to do with spamassassin? |
| 14:03.11 | troythetechguy | stew, I see. Thank you. |
| 14:03.21 | teclo- | Okay, it's two hours I'm stuck with live-helper... It always stops saying "E: lh_chroot_proc missing" .. goddamnit, any idea ? |
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| 14:03.38 | stew | g0rd0n: show us the actual command you typed and the actual output, use a pastebin: /msg dpkg pastebin |
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| 14:03.48 | y | PROBLEM: Apache RewriteRule ^client/([^/]+)$ /var/www/clients/$1/web/ <--- not werking. Help? |
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| 14:04.20 | stew | teclo-: what is live helper, what are you trying to do. without knowing and taking a wild guess, i'd guess that you have some chroot that doesn't have /proc mounted |
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| 14:05.33 | teclo- | stew: I know this is an issue with a chroot and proc, but I did follow the instructions, and, normally, live-helper should itself take care of creating a /proc in the chroot... |
| 14:05.35 | g0rd0n | stew: http://pastebin.ca/826873 |
| 14:06.05 | teclo- | here is the command I am typing: lh_config -b usb-hdd -d lenny -p kde-desktop --hostname debian-live --packages gimp gwenview k3b iceweasel slay tcpdump screen lftp ncftp irssi xchat nmap fortunes fortunes-fr && lh_build |
| 14:06.08 | stew | y: turn on RewriteLog which should make it easy to debug. i'd guess that maybe you need a leading / |
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| 14:06.45 | stew | g0rd0n: its just telling you that there are newer versions available of those packages. its not going to do anything with them |
| 14:06.54 | teclo- | I followed this http://wiki.debian.org/DebianLive/Examples |
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| 14:07.29 | y | Stew, I did that. Log says: applying pattern '^client/([^/]+)$' to uri 'var/www/clients/domain.com/web/' but I get error "The requested URL /var/www/clients/domain.com/web/ was not found on this server." Any clues? Why is the uri var and not /var? |
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| 14:07.32 | stew | teclo-: try #debian-live on irc.debian.org |
| 14:07.51 | g0rd0n | stew: but will it keep telling me that on each aptitude upgrade i will do in the future? |
| 14:07.55 | natefoo | can security updates to testing jump software versions, or do they have to be package versions (e.g. foo1.2.3-1, foo1.2.3-2, etc.)? |
| 14:08.07 | stew | y: right, ^client doesn't match var (since the ^ says that client must be at the very beginning) |
| 14:08.22 | y | it matches just fine. |
| 14:08.24 | stew | g0rd0n: yes, until you upgrade them: /msg dpkg kept back |
| 14:08.35 | g0rd0n | how annoying :P |
| 14:08.40 | stew | y: no, it doesn't |
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| 14:08.55 | teclo- | stew: ok :) thank you |
| 14:10.41 | stew | y: i mean, using that rule, "var/www/clients/domain.com/web/" shoud be rewritten to "var/www/clients/domain.com/web/". There would be no change, becuase your rule says to rewrite ^client/([^/]+)$, but that pattern doesn't match var/www/clients/domain.com/web/ |
| 14:11.08 | y | i see. |
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| 14:13.10 | natefoo | or, let me ask another way... if a new version of some package is uploaded to unstable that contains a major security fix, do you normally wait for it to go to testing or should i request that the testing security team provide an update immediately? |
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| 14:14.26 | Agiofws | which file does debian use to put modules in to load at boot time ? |
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| 14:15.11 | pdani_ | hi |
| 14:15.35 | pdani_ | how can i bind an interface name (e.g. eth0) to a specific driver permanently? |
| 14:17.10 | mbroeker | pdani_, echo "alias ne2k-pci eth0" >> /etc/modprobe.d/aliases or with an udev rule... |
| 14:17.31 | blinx | how can I get a status bar in cp? |
| 14:17.38 | blinx | -g doesn't work |
| 14:17.44 | Agiofws | which file does debian use to put modules in to load at boot time ? |
| 14:17.58 | karmatronic | Agiofws: /etc/modules |
| 14:18.21 | Agiofws | karmatronic, just the name ? or with the command aswell ? |
| 14:18.31 | blinx | Agiofws: if you want to blacklist a module, you have to take a look in /etc/modprobe.d/ |
| 14:18.48 | karmatronic | Agiofws: i dont understand this question |
| 14:18.59 | karmatronic | !modules.conf |
| 14:18.59 | dpkg | i guess modules.conf is the source of all evil |
| 14:19.15 | karmatronic | !/etc/modules |
| 14:19.15 | dpkg | # This file should contain the names of kernel modules that are to be loaded at boot time, one per line. Comments begin with a `#', and everything on the line after them are ignored. An entry named `auto' will cause the system to start kerneld immediately. |
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| 14:19.24 | atoponce | i keep getting updates down the pipe on stable for my sparc64 kernel. it's the same kernel ever time. any ideas why? |
| 14:19.40 | Agiofws | karmatronic, the only way i get my wlan to work at boot is this way ... |
| 14:19.58 | wols_ | atoponce: cause it's not properly installed when its downloaded? |
| 14:20.00 | Agiofws | agiofws@lapi:~$ cat /etc/init.d/rc.local | pasti |
| 14:20.00 | Agiofws | Your paste can be seen here: http://rafb.net/p/fk4iGg48.html |
| 14:20.15 | Agiofws | why would i want to blacklist any module ? |
| 14:20.15 | atoponce | wols_: aptitude update; aptitude upgrade |
| 14:20.31 | wols_ | atoponce: what has this to do with what I said? |
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| 14:20.46 | wols_ | it's the ouput which is important |
| 14:20.51 | atoponce | wols_: how could that command not properly install the kernel when it's downloaded? |
| 14:21.07 | wols_ | show me its output and I might be able to tell you |
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| 14:21.59 | jerome | hum, linux-image-2.6.23-1-xen-686 doesn't get recognized by update-grub, is that normal somehow ? |
| 14:22.10 | atoponce | wols_: http://pastebin.com/d77b2db95 |
| 14:22.31 | karmatronic | Agiofws: weird place to launch sshd |
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| 14:22.42 | Agiofws | karmatronic, ? |
| 14:22.48 | wols_ | atoponce: dpkg -l http://pastebin.com/d77b2db95 |
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| 14:22.57 | wols_ | atoponce: dpkg -l linux-image-2.6.18-5-sparc64 |tail -1 |
| 14:23.07 | karmatronic | Agiofws: the line exec /usr/sbin/sshd in your pastebin |
| 14:23.09 | Agiofws | i just like every thin gathered in one file not many |
| 14:23.22 | Agiofws | karmatronic, yes but where ? |
| 14:23.28 | Agiofws | should i put it ? |
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| 14:23.30 | moldy | hi |
| 14:23.39 | atoponce | wols_: ii linux-image-2.6.18-5-sparc64 2.6.18.dfsg.1-13etch6 Linux 2.6.18 image on uniprocessor 64-bit UltraSPARC |
| 14:24.01 | karmatronic | Agiofws: in line 45 |
| 14:24.06 | wols_ | atoponce: then it's kinda strange :( |
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| 14:24.14 | wols_ | Agiofws: he already told you |
| 14:24.20 | moldy | on debian 4.0, i can send mail via localhost fine (using telnet), but one program i need to be able to send mail cannot do so: the postfix log displays an sasl authenticaion error. how do i fix this? |
| 14:24.24 | wols_ | or rather dpkg did |
| 14:24.43 | wols_ | moldy: do you auth via sasl with telnet? |
| 14:25.09 | wols_ | moldy: does the program try to use sasl when it's not configured properly? |
| 14:25.10 | moldy | wols_: no |
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| 14:25.30 | moldy | wols_: via telnet i do no authentication at all, which works since i am coming from localhost |
| 14:25.37 | karmatronic | moldy: what s the program ? |
| 14:25.54 | moldy | karmatronic: plone |
| 14:26.11 | wols_ | moldy: and the program comes from localost too? |
| 14:26.22 | moldy | wols_: yes |
| 14:26.28 | wols_ | and does it use sasl? |
| 14:26.35 | moldy | wols_: i think so |
| 14:26.43 | wols_ | the make it not use it |
| 14:26.45 | moldy | wols_: i am not sure, but the postfix error log seems to indicate that it tries to |
| 14:27.16 | moldy | wols_: i don't know if that it possible |
| 14:27.26 | ronsonol | Running only Linux, what determines the limit of harddrive size on a old Pentium I if its BIOS has capacity to do LBA? |
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| 14:27.35 | mbroeker | moldy, try testsaslauthd -u user -p pass |
| 14:27.39 | moldy | wols_: is there a way i can make sasl work? that might be easier than telling plone not to use it |
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| 14:28.05 | moldy | mbroeker: connect() : No such file or directory |
| 14:28.18 | mbroeker | moldy, start saslauthd |
| 14:28.30 | moldy | mbroeker: ah, now i am getting forward :) thanks. |
| 14:28.54 | Ace2016 | yay internets back, hi all |
| 14:29.16 | moldy | mbroeker: To enable saslauthd, edit /etc/default/saslauthd and set START=yes # i did that, but it still sais that when i try to start it |
| 14:29.18 | Ace2016 | oh it was back 2 hours ago |
| 14:29.24 | y | stew should this be in /sites-available/host.com or host.com/web/.htaccess? |
| 14:29.31 | Agiofws | http://img178.imageshack.us/my.php?image=scrnoz3.jpg my little debian ' |
| 14:30.00 | Airbottl1 | why KDE? |
| 14:30.13 | Airbottl1 | or what is it? |
| 14:30.27 | wols_ | moldy: yes. there are lots of howtos e.g on postfuix.org. you need smtpd-auth |
| 14:30.47 | mbroeker | moldy, do you use a sasldb file or another database solution? |
| 14:30.50 | Ace2016 | Airbottl1: never heard of kde? |
| 14:31.19 | moldy | mbroeker: for remote smtp auth? i use a mysql backend |
| 14:31.29 | karmatronic | Agiofws: you need so much virtual desktop s? |
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| 14:31.47 | stew | y: either works, sites-available is recommended over the other |
| 14:31.47 | Agiofws | karmatronic, the more the better |
| 14:32.04 | Ace2016 | why11??? why not 12 or 10? why not an even number? |
| 14:32.05 | Agiofws | they come in handy " |
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| 14:32.18 | Agiofws | is that a right expression ? |
| 14:32.41 | Ace2016 | yea, but why 11? |
| 14:33.07 | lhadji | !z25 |
| 14:33.07 | dpkg | z25 is probably as of version 0.090, udev has the ability to statically rename ethernet cards based on MAC address. The addresses are configured in /etc/udev/rules.d/z25_persistent-net.rules . If you want the mappings to change, edit that file. If you don't want udev to touch your interface names, remove that file and z45_persistent-net-generator.rules in the same directory. |
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| 14:33.30 | Ace2016 | number of desktops = k/(hres x vres) and k is a constant that varies from person to person :D |
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| 14:33.59 | mbroeker | moldy, can you paste the MECHANISM line in /etc/default/saslauthd? |
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| 14:34.27 | moldy | mbroeker: MECHANISMS="pam" |
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| 14:35.27 | moldy | mbroeker: never mind, i found a workaround. thanks alot for your help. disabling TLS avoids the problem. |
| 14:35.52 | mbroeker | moldy, well done, |
| 14:35.59 | karmatronic | Agiofws: check out mine |
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| 14:36.20 | Agiofws | ? |
| 14:36.23 | Ace2016 | where is yours? |
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| 14:36.51 | karmatronic | Agiofws: it s coming, getting it by sftp first |
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| 14:42.31 | wooden | anyone? |
| 14:43.02 | wooden | #flood |
| 14:43.18 | y | stew can you look at http://pastie.caboo.se/131329 |
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| 14:43.42 | Soekisan | does anyone in here uses openvpn? |
| 14:43.56 | happla | Soekisan: yes |
| 14:45.09 | Soekisan | if the server is on a network serving as a gateway that on the 192.168.0.0. network and the client its on another 192.168.0.0 network behind a nat. would that make impossible to make a tunnel? |
| 14:45.22 | stew | y: you have $1 on the right of the RewriteRule, but you aren't grouping anything with () on the left |
| 14:45.31 | karmatronic | Agiofws: http://img412.imageshack.us/my.php?image=screenshotpk6.jpg |
| 14:45.45 | y | I know, but nothing is appearing in my rewrite log with that rule. |
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| 14:46.12 | karmatronic | Soekisan: no |
| 14:46.18 | y | stew ^ |
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| 14:46.32 | Agiofws | karmatronic, gnome |
| 14:46.34 | Agiofws | ? |
| 14:46.41 | Agiofws | pretty nice |
| 14:46.42 | karmatronic | Agiofws: right |
| 14:46.56 | Airbottl1 | http://picasaweb.google.com/Laureys.David/Desktop2/photo#5104997985251747234 this is a desktop :p |
| 14:46.57 | jerome | obviously, update-grb doesn't know how to handle linux image 2.6.23 xen'ified ... |
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| 14:47.12 | jerome | there are no flag in the config file |
| 14:47.16 | jerome | s |
| 14:47.25 | stew | y: try adding "RewriteLogLevel 9" |
| 14:48.04 | norton- | I'm going to install debian, and I found a netinst cd at home: 'Debian GNU/Linux 4.0 r0 "Etch" - Official i386 NETINST Binary-1, 20070407-11:29'. Will this do or should I go download the newest one? |
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| 14:48.28 | stew | y: is this a NameVirtualHost ? |
| 14:48.34 | Ronin | norton-: that one is fine, then you can do update etc. |
| 14:48.44 | norton- | Ronin: okay. thanks |
| 14:48.46 | y | stew yes. |
| 14:49.04 | stew | y: are you sure the right VirtualHost is being used? |
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| 14:49.15 | y | hmpf. I've had a breakthrough. |
| 14:49.16 | Ronin | norton-: latest is only r1 so your copy isnt that old |
| 14:49.23 | karmatronic | Agiofws: i hate this pigdin |
| 14:49.33 | karmatronic | Airbottl1: i hate pigdin |
| 14:49.36 | y | its giving a directory listing of the appropriate client |
| 14:49.42 | Airbottl1 | why? |
| 14:49.45 | Airbottl1 | i like it |
| 14:49.53 | Airbottl1 | its simple and clean |
| 14:49.53 | Agiofws | karmatronic, i never liked it it was a memory HOG |
| 14:50.01 | y | Which it shouldn't. Any idea why? |
| 14:50.11 | Agiofws | look at my instant messenger |
| 14:50.47 | Airbottl1 | what messenger do you recommend than karmatronic? i always used pidgin (gaim) |
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| 14:50.51 | Soekisan | karmatronic thanks |
| 14:50.52 | karmatronic | Airbottl1: doesnt behave well with jabber services, and doesnt support webcam like amsn |
| 14:50.57 | xand | Airbottl1: use irssi |
| 14:51.05 | karmatronic | Soekisan: didnt do much :) |
| 14:51.07 | xand | !irssi |
| 14:51.07 | dpkg | i guess irssi is the best irc client ever, or found in the irssi-text package on sarge, or irssi on etch |
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| 14:51.12 | Airbottl1 | i used irssi as well for irc |
| 14:51.19 | Agiofws | agiofws@lapi:~$ shack scrn.jpg |
| 14:51.19 | Agiofws | http://img529.imageshack.us/my.php?image=scrnzc0.jpg |
| 14:51.19 | Agiofws | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:51.46 | karmatronic | !Congratulations |
| 14:51.46 | dpkg | Oh BOY!! I won!! |
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| 14:51.54 | karmatronic | Agiofws: really cool stuff! |
| 14:52.23 | happla | Soekisan: yes you will end up in routing hell |
| 14:52.35 | happla | Soekisan: and if you ask someone, highlight their nicks |
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| 14:52.50 | happla | Soekisan: They even say that in the howto for openvpn |
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| 14:53.15 | karmatronic | Soekisan: routing hell ? big deal ... |
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| 14:54.48 | Soekis | happla why do you say its a routing hell? |
| 14:55.10 | Soekis | im trying to make a bridged vpn |
| 14:55.25 | karmatronic | Soekisan: yeah you have to set some rules on both routers to have traffic behave well |
| 14:55.52 | karmatronic | Soekisan: and on intermediate routers to establish the tunnel btw |
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| 14:56.17 | amphi | Agiofws: that's a disgusting font - what is it, ms-comic-sans-on-acid ? |
| 14:56.35 | Soekis | i have access to the vpn server and network but not to the gateway on the client side |
| 14:57.36 | karmatronic | Soekisan: you need proto tcp-client on the client side config file then |
| 14:57.52 | karmatronic | Soekisan: or udp-client |
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| 14:58.09 | Soekis | im using udp on both sides |
| 14:58.16 | gg | how do I go about installing vim7.1? it just gets 7.0 |
| 14:58.32 | karmatronic | Soekis: why dont you use tcp ? |
| 14:58.35 | Soekis | and i assigned the range of ips out of the dhcp range. |
| 14:58.57 | stew | gg: its on backports.org: /msg dpkg bpo |
| 14:59.04 | karmatronic | Soekis: using tcp cant turn out quite usefull |
| 14:59.11 | stew | anyone know of a command line tool to check dkim signatures? |
| 14:59.14 | biopyte | hi folks, just installed a notebook with lenny. works fine. however, how do i set up wlan. couldnt find anything in the gnome default desktop. could you give me a hint where to start from? |
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| 14:59.21 | Soekis | can or cant? |
| 14:59.26 | karmatronic | Soekis: setting server port on 443 (ie HTTPS port) |
| 14:59.29 | karmatronic | can |
| 14:59.34 | gg | thanks steve |
| 14:59.37 | gg | er stew lol |
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| 15:00.56 | Soekis | i think the client side gateway its like windows ICS style. all in -all out |
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| 15:08.30 | deb_user | how do i install dig on etch? |
| 15:08.37 | deb_user | apt-get install dig comes up with package not found |
| 15:09.34 | stew | deb_user: dnsutils (/msg dpkg search) |
| 15:09.46 | sneex | dig should be part of the networking and was installed by default |
| 15:09.48 | deb_user | stew, thanks, i figured it was something like that |
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| 15:10.01 | stew | sneex: its not |
| 15:10.01 | deb_user | sneex, maybe not, i upgraded all the way from woody |
| 15:10.06 | sneex | kk |
| 15:10.21 | sneex | weird, because I have never been without dig. |
| 15:10.57 | stew | hmm, it is priority standard |
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| 15:16.24 | dkg | Is anyone here familiar with nvclock? |
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| 15:19.09 | wols_ | dkg: are you familiar how to ask questions on irc? |
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| 15:20.05 | dkg | wols_: I am, however I stated that one as such because it is unusual. I suspect the answer would be "no". |
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| 15:20.25 | nullvoid | hello all |
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| 15:21.09 | wols_ | dkg: the "anyone" question is still useless and simple spam |
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| 15:21.38 | dkg | wols_: I could argue that if you're willing to debate semantics. |
| 15:22.21 | wols_ | since you are unable to ask a question falling into the realm of #debian, maybe you should try #philosophy instead? |
| 15:22.31 | wols_ | dkg: /msg dpkg anyone |
| 15:22.45 | stew | please just get back on topic |
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| 15:23.00 | stew | dkg: just assume someone is familiar and ask your real question |
| 15:23.09 | dkg | Funny you should say that. I'm active in ##philosophy. |
| 15:23.19 | dkg | stew: That's an idea. Will do. |
| 15:23.46 | stew | dkg: or perhaps ask in #nvidia |
| 15:24.10 | dkg | stew: thanks |
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| 15:25.54 | y | stew: I got the rule working but its not respecting directoryindex |
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| 15:26.39 | NickBurnsSNL | Greetings and salutations to one and all .... |
| 15:27.46 | stew | y: what is the index that you think it should be loading? what is it doing instead? a directory listing? |
| 15:28.00 | y | index.php. yes, dirlisting |
| 15:28.12 | stew | y: what are the permissions on index.php? |
| 15:28.38 | stew | y: is there an .htaccess that might be messing with DirectoryIndex? |
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| 15:31.35 | CAiRO | is there some howto for optimally configuring a tft display (like which settings to use for font rendering, what refresh rate to use etc.)? |
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| 15:32.25 | y | stew. permissions are RW R R belonging to root and the directoryindex is fine |
| 15:32.35 | y | I know it shouldn't belong to root but I have another blog that works fine for now, so that's not it. |
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| 15:37.08 | jeffwheeler | Hmm, I seem to be having a bit of trouble. I'm on Sid in GNOME, and for some reason I cannot use a Static IP using the System > Administration > Network setup. Network Monitor tells me that it cannot find network hardware as soon as I change it from DHCP or Roaming. |
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| 15:38.54 | rahul | jeffwheeler: you don't know how to use debian, yet you're using an alpha-testing version of it? |
| 15:39.56 | jeffwheeler | I've been running Sid for a long time, with very few troubles. I have figured most of this out, and have gotten the internet working for the most part playing with /etc/network/interfaces. When did I say I didn't know how to use Debian |
| 15:39.58 | rahul | jeffwheeler: alpha testers shouldn't come to the general user help areas, btw. it gets too noisy. |
| 15:40.11 | Agiofws | amphi, its some vista font |
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| 15:40.18 | Agiofws | i dont really remember |
| 15:40.36 | Agiofws | amphi, i don;t like mey IRC fromal |
| 15:40.36 | helo | is it likely that i have an nfs configuration that will only let one client connect to a share at a time? |
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| 15:40.44 | Agiofws | amphi, i don;t like mey IRC forrrrrrrrrrrrrrrmal |
| 15:40.44 | helo | i'm having problems imaging more than one of these pxe-booting machines at a time |
| 15:40.45 | wols_ | jeffwheeler: what is your newtwork interface? |
| 15:40.47 | amphi | no wonder vista is so popular ;) |
| 15:40.50 | helo | i have to wait until the first is done accessing the share before i can start the next |
| 15:40.50 | Agiofws | srry |
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| 15:41.18 | amphi | Agiofws: irssi in a term using deja vu sans mono FTW ;) |
| 15:41.26 | jeffwheeler | wols_: eth0? An old broadcom integrated card on this old Dell. |
| 15:41.31 | helo | i've never had this problem before, but could it be an oddity with the client machines that would create this kind of behavior? |
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| 15:42.12 | wols_ | jeffwheeler: have you made sure? and can you pastebin your interfaces file? |
| 15:42.23 | jeffwheeler | The static networking has worked in the past, and I think it works as long as I don't do it through the Network application; setting it through /etc/network/interfaces works, iirc. I'll double-check that. |
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| 15:42.54 | rahul | jeffwheeler: and this is a surprise to you? |
| 15:42.56 | jeffwheeler | wols_: (be right back, logging on the other machine, first) |
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| 15:45.49 | jeffwheeler | wols_: http://pastebin.ca/827010 works correctly (generated by Networking); let me try the static setup. |
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| 15:47.48 | helo | can iptables filter rules pass the data through any program that can read stdin and out? |
| 15:47.56 | helo | like... ssh |
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| 15:49.03 | stew | helo: ask #iptables |
| 15:49.11 | helo | thanks |
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| 15:51.16 | helo | on second thought, why not just ipsec at that point... |
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| 15:52.08 | jeffwheeler | (Ack, sorry; I very rarely use that Mac client and it's extremely buggy. Woudln't display anything. Did you get my pastebin link?) |
| 15:52.09 | VincentC | is it possible to check what is writing to hosts.deny? |
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| 15:52.46 | VincentC | i'm testing something out and would like to ssh into my server with an incorrect password |
| 15:53.23 | VincentC | but after 3 incorrect attempts, the hostname is added to hosts.deny |
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| 15:54.16 | gg | how do I scale the desktop? like change text/window sizes easily? |
| 15:54.16 | VincentC | so i'd like to find out what is writing to it and disable it temporarily |
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| 15:54.49 | VincentC | gg, i think you coud look into window managers |
| 15:55.16 | gg | hmm ok thanks |
| 15:55.47 | gg | another question, how do I find out the battery status? in ubuntu I had /proc/acpi/battery |
| 15:55.54 | themill | VincentC: look at the package fail2ban. It does it using iptables rather than hosts.deny which I think is a better option for you. |
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| 15:58.20 | elmo40 | VincentC: using hosts.deny is not really the way to do it... but there is an app http://denyhosts.sourceforge.net/index.html |
| 15:58.36 | pngwn | gg, I don't know if ubuntu has documentation but debian does ;) |
| 15:58.39 | VincentC | thanks for the suggestions |
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| 15:59.15 | VincentC | i think i will go with fail2ban |
| 15:59.23 | CAiRO | hi |
| 15:59.38 | CAiRO | when i move windows on my new tft display, the border start to flicker.. what could be the cause for that? |
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| 16:00.01 | happla | CAiRO: border of what? |
| 16:00.03 | tont | |
| 16:00.03 | tont | I tried to install the package |
| 16:00.12 | tont | libc6_2.4-1ubuntu10_i386.deb |
| 16:00.21 | CAiRO | happla: the borders of the windows that i move |
| 16:00.26 | stew | fail2ban is great, i'm using it for all kinds of stuff now, like would be comment spammers and email spammers |
| 16:00.39 | stew | tont: you are running ubuntu or debian? |
| 16:00.53 | happla | CAiRO: ok, are they very thin? |
| 16:01.08 | elmo40 | tont: dont mix ubuntu with debian... VERY bad move! |
| 16:01.32 | tont | elmo50: |
| 16:01.33 | tont | I have noticed too late |
| 16:01.38 | CAiRO | happla: yeah, like 1 pixel... actually, the whole window flickers, but the borders the most |
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| 16:02.01 | mike1o | how do I remove the write protection in my usb drive? |
| 16:02.09 | tont | and this is the error dpkg: dependency problems prevent configuration of libc6: |
| 16:02.09 | tont | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:02.10 | tont | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:02.10 | tont | dpkg: error processing libc6 (--install): |
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| 16:02.10 | dpkg | That isn't an error, post the whole output to paster. |
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| 16:02.51 | tont | |
| 16:02.51 | tont | How do I solve? |
| 16:03.23 | gg | great i think acpi is disabled for my laptop model |
| 16:03.59 | rubymonk | Hello everyone :) May anyone please help me on this ? http://pastebin.com/m42ad96fc |
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| 16:04.12 | DennisG | hello |
| 16:04.21 | DennisG | iptables v1.2.11: can't initialize iptables table `nat': Table does not exist (do you need to insmod?) |
| 16:04.27 | DennisG | how can i install it? |
| 16:04.56 | helo | what do you know, 10 minutes reading the nfs faq and i got it working :) |
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| 16:07.23 | mike1o | is there a SW write protection switch? |
| 16:07.41 | cahoot | <PROTECTED> |
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| 16:09.34 | hans-rudolf | Mozilla keeps crashing with flash and streamingvideo, should I grant more resources, if so how? |
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| 16:10.45 | elmo40 | hans-rudolf: what do you mean keeps crashing? |
| 16:10.59 | elmo40 | if you run it from terminal, do you get an error message? |
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| 16:11.13 | rubymonk | No idea for my issue ? http://pastebin.com/m42ad96fc |
| 16:11.39 | elmo40 | rubymonk: that link does not wrok |
| 16:11.41 | elmo40 | *work |
| 16:11.59 | hans-rudolf | Well for instance if i startup an a asf-stream once or twice and then it crashed the time after that. |
| 16:11.59 | rubymonk | hum... |
| 16:12.06 | rubymonk | Works fine here |
| 16:12.09 | elmo40 | or i just cant get to it :P |
| 16:12.22 | rubymonk | Lemme paste it somewhere else |
| 16:12.42 | hans-rudolf | I know the memorymanagement is crappy in ff but since I have like 4gb of ram I could grant more if this is possible. |
| 16:12.43 | elmo40 | pastebin.ca |
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| 16:13.00 | elmo40 | hans-rudolf: ff2.x ? |
| 16:13.06 | hans-rudolf | yes |
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| 16:13.18 | hans-rudolf | bloat |
| 16:13.24 | ElReNGo73 | hola |
| 16:13.43 | rubymonk | http://rafb.net/p/ZZVAW924.html |
| 16:13.45 | rubymonk | There it is |
| 16:13.53 | hans-rudolf | elmo40: But I downloaded opera and it has the same problem |
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| 16:14.04 | embrik | in order to get dual cores to work on my hp 6715b i need to upgrade to kernel 2.6.22 - how do I do that? |
| 16:14.09 | hans-rudolf | elmo: sam for konquerer and epiphany |
| 16:14.15 | hans-rudolf | -same |
| 16:14.24 | themill | rubymonk: afaict init scripts have to be posix sh scripts |
| 16:14.37 | rubymonk | themill, Can't use a shebang ? |
| 16:15.02 | themill | rubymonk: I believe they are sourced not exec'd. |
| 16:15.16 | |DrEaMeR| | hi everybody ! |
| 16:15.17 | rubymonk | themill, Well, If I put this script somewhere else and start it from a plain posix sh script, it should work then ? |
| 16:15.19 | embrik | anybody know about a nice howto on installing this woreless device: Broadcom Corporation BCM4310 |
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| 16:15.22 | elmo40 | hans-rudolf: bloat indeed... get ff3 |
| 16:15.35 | embrik | how do I upgrade the kernel? |
| 16:15.36 | elmo40 | hans-rudolf: then clearly it is your computer! |
| 16:15.37 | themill | rubymonk: that would seem to be the case. |
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| 16:15.45 | rubymonk | embrik, This crap has only one way to work: ndis |
| 16:15.57 | hans-rudolf | elmo40: well this does not happen in windoze |
| 16:15.58 | rubymonk | themill, Thank you sir, I'll try so then :) |
| 16:16.07 | embrik | rubymonk: ok |
| 16:16.07 | themill | rubymonk: good luck :) |
| 16:16.11 | rubymonk | ;) |
| 16:16.21 | elmo40 | hans-rudolf: apples vs oranges. |
| 16:16.30 | hans-rudolf | elmo40: I thought maybe they run out of resources |
| 16:16.43 | hans-rudolf | elmo40: Yes but my c0omputer is fine |
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| 16:17.14 | themill | !tell embrik about bcm43xx |
| 16:17.14 | embrik | what about upgrading the kernel from 2.6.18-5 to 2.6.22 |
| 16:17.16 | edistar | how do I mount a drive that has an lvm partition? |
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| 16:18.12 | embrik | themill: thanks - what about upgrading the kernel? |
| 16:18.46 | rubymonk | themill, Yep, it works, thanks |
| 16:19.00 | elmo40 | embrik: http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/linux-software-2/bcm43xx-install-problems-help-appreciated-450310/ |
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| 16:19.08 | elmo40 | they have some helpful hints there. |
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| 16:19.19 | elmo40 | but 2.6.18 *should* work! |
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| 16:21.48 | zeldafan500 | where do i download debian |
| 16:22.11 | mike1o | debian.org |
| 16:22.21 | hans-rudolf | ubuntu.org |
| 16:22.29 | elmo40 | http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/4.0_r1/i386/bt-dvd/ |
| 16:22.33 | themill | !lart hans-rudolf |
| 16:22.44 | hans-rudolf | lol |
| 16:22.51 | elmo40 | hans-rudolf: bad bad boy... |
| 16:23.09 | hans-rudolf | come on what a question |
| 16:23.22 | themill | hans-rudolf: surprisingly common, though |
| 16:23.25 | hans-rudolf | You don't want him as the next asker for help |
| 16:23.55 | hans-rudolf | What do I do after shitting? |
| 16:24.02 | mike1o | there's a process enabling the write protection on my usb stick... how do I know what it is? |
| 16:24.02 | elmo40 | jump around |
| 16:24.04 | hans-rudolf | uhm whipeyourbutt.org |
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| 16:24.12 | zeldafan500 | So I should get 4.0? |
| 16:24.23 | cahoot | mike1o: vfat? |
| 16:24.40 | hans-rudolf | zeldafan500: get netinstall, its superawesome |
| 16:24.40 | cahoot | mike1o: then /msg dpkg vfatrw |
| 16:24.57 | elmo40 | mike1o: still have problems with that? Did you try chmod? You more then likely need to be ROOT first. and/or it must be a FAT partition |
| 16:24.59 | mike1o | cahoot, used to be... I tried to install debian on the stick from qemu |
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| 16:25.36 | elmo40 | zeldafan500: depends... what do you want? There are many CD's of Debian. |
| 16:25.47 | mike1o | cahoot, it works with other sticks |
| 16:25.52 | zeldafan500 | I just want the normal one |
| 16:26.02 | zeldafan500 | so people stop calling me ubuntu-noob on hacking channels |
| 16:26.05 | hans-rudolf | gwt m40 |
| 16:26.19 | themill | *sigh* |
| 16:26.23 | elmo40 | http://www.us.debian.org/CD/http-ftp/ <-- look for the nearest location |
| 16:26.30 | wols_ | zeldafan500: we don't support "hacking channels" |
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| 16:26.46 | elmo40 | wols_: it is _close_ to sunday... |
| 16:26.53 | hans-rudolf | Everybody wants to be a hacker |
| 16:27.00 | themill | zeldafan500: until you learn to read the documentation, you'll still be an ubuntu-noob... |
| 16:27.01 | VincentC | i would like to ssh from school to home and do all my homework but keep a copy of each revision of my assignment. Would a repository be the best way to go? |
| 16:27.12 | jelly | elmo40: it's always sunday somewhere in the world! No, wait. |
| 16:27.17 | wols_ | yes, I want to hack lots and lots of people. all to little small pieces so no one finds them |
| 16:27.29 | zeldafan500 | So how do I know what kind of computer I have, [alpha] [amd64] [arm] [hppa] [i386] [ia64] [mips] [mipsel] [powerpc] [sparc] [s390] [source] or [multi-arch] |
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| 16:27.40 | themill | dpkg: hack wols_ |
| 16:27.40 | mike1o | i386 |
| 16:27.41 | zeldafan500 | It's a pentuim 3 on my laptop I'm putting it on |
| 16:27.44 | elmo40 | jelly: always lunch time somewhere in the world ;) |
| 16:27.44 | jelly | zeldafan500: i386 |
| 16:27.47 | zeldafan500 | klol |
| 16:27.57 | hans-rudolf | i368 |
| 16:28.02 | wols_ | zeldafan500: i386 then |
| 16:28.19 | Nyle | Good Morning |
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| 16:28.27 | zeldafan500 | http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/4.0_r1/i386/iso-cd/ ok how do I download all of these at the same time into a .iso |
| 16:28.29 | Nyle | Eid Mubarak everyone |
| 16:28.39 | themill | dpkg: who hacked you |
| 16:28.39 | dpkg | I'm self-hacked, themill |
| 16:28.43 | wols_ | zeldafan500: you cannot and shouldn't |
| 16:28.48 | zeldafan500 | ... |
| 16:28.54 | zeldafan500 | thats how i did it with ubuntu |
| 16:29.04 | zeldafan500 | I just need a .iso so I can burn it to a CD-R |
| 16:29.05 | |DrEaMeR| | lol |
| 16:29.06 | mike1o | get the net install |
| 16:29.23 | mike1o | zeldafan500, do u have internet access? |
| 16:29.24 | |DrEaMeR| | try to find the net install iso |
| 16:29.34 | zeldafan500 | My laptop can't stay on the internet the plug is loose and it wont connect if youre not holding it down |
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| 16:29.44 | zeldafan500 | and every wireless router I've gotten is broken |
| 16:29.47 | wols_ | zeldafan500: the dir you linked has lots of ISOs. get one for CD1 and burn it |
| 16:29.50 | asg | !rube goldberg install |
| 16:29.50 | dpkg | "Hi! I want to install Debian with a 2.6.x kernel on a machine, but I can't boot from floppies, and I can't boot from CD-ROM, and I have no network card. I have only a USB dot matrix printer and a punch card reader." |
| 16:29.52 | themill | zeldafan500: have you looked at the size of these files? do you think they'll all fit onto one CD-R? Must be a pretty l33t cdr that you have if you can. |
| 16:29.59 | Nyle | asg: hi |
| 16:30.04 | Nyle | asg: who is rube goldberg |
| 16:30.05 | mike1o | zeldafan500, ethernet? |
| 16:30.11 | zeldafan500 | ya |
| 16:30.12 | asg | Nyle: wikipedia is your friend |
| 16:30.14 | wols_ | Nyle: a genius |
| 16:30.19 | zeldafan500 | Oh so I only get 1? |
| 16:30.19 | Nyle | asg: that it is |
| 16:30.34 | zeldafan500 | debian-40r1-i386-CD-1.iso is it then? |
| 16:30.36 | wols_ | zeldafan500: you only need one. but you can download as many as you want |
| 16:30.37 | Nyle | asg: but are you not my friend? |
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| 16:30.47 | hans-rudolf | zeldafan500: http://www.us.debian.org/distrib/netinst#smallcd |
| 16:31.03 | hans-rudolf | zeldafan500: choose under small CDs i368 |
| 16:31.13 | zeldafan500 | It's a 700 MB CD-R |
| 16:31.17 | zeldafan500 | it will fit |
| 16:31.28 | hans-rudolf | zeldafan500: The cd is under 200mb |
| 16:31.42 | zeldafan500 | the iso? |
| 16:31.43 | Nyle | 160~ish MB |
| 16:31.46 | Nyle | the iso yes |
| 16:31.51 | zeldafan500 | I mean my CD-R can hold 700 |
| 16:31.52 | embrik | I want to upgrade my kernel from 2.6.18-5-amd64 to 2.6.22-amd64 - how do I do that? |
| 16:32.03 | stew | embrik: what version of debian are you running? |
| 16:32.09 | y | how can I CHMOD 755 all files under the current directory without CHMOD'ing directories? |
| 16:32.10 | hans-rudolf | zeldafan500: read |
| 16:32.15 | embrik | stew: etch |
| 16:32.18 | hans-rudolf | [17:30] <hans-rudolf> zeldafan500: http://www.us.debian.org/distrib/netinst#smallcd |
| 16:32.18 | hans-rudolf | [17:31] <hans-rudolf> zeldafan500: choose under small CDs i368 |
| 16:32.20 | Orion_X11 | Is there a way of avoiding animated gifts from msn into my pidgin? That is annoying ! |
| 16:32.23 | zeldafan500 | w/e I'm downloading debian-40r1-i386-CD-1.iso and burning it |
| 16:32.23 | Nyle | embrik: check backports.org. You can get etch with later kernels |
| 16:32.25 | themill | embrik: /msg dpkg bpo |
| 16:32.41 | zeldafan500 | I have high-speed dsl |
| 16:32.46 | zeldafan500 | 128 kb/s |
| 16:32.47 | Nyle | well you can't get etch with a later kernel, you have to install etch, and then get the new kernel |
| 16:32.51 | hans-rudolf | zeldafan500:You don't want that one. |
| 16:32.56 | zeldafan500 | why. |
| 16:32.58 | stew | embrik: /msg dpkg bpo |
| 16:33.03 | hans-rudolf | Take the other one |
| 16:33.08 | hans-rudolf | I just showed you |
| 16:33.11 | zeldafan500 | whats the difference seriously |
| 16:33.42 | zeldafan500 | my laptop can't go on the internet right |
| 16:33.51 | zeldafan500 | you have to hold in the plug becuase its broken |
| 16:34.00 | zeldafan500 | It won't work if you leave it in |
| 16:34.07 | hans-rudolf | zeldafan500:It's an easy installer. It will install the base system, than you can choose what other stuff you want to install and it will fetch that for you from the internet |
| 16:34.17 | Nyle | zeldafan500: hm |
| 16:34.22 | Nyle | zeldafan500: ##hardware |
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| 16:34.27 | stew | hans-rudolf: "my laptop can't go on the internet" |
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| 16:34.31 | zeldafan500 | exactly from the internet |
| 16:34.33 | Nyle | zeldafan500: someone should know how to rig it there |
| 16:34.47 | zeldafan500 | the. laptop. cant. get. internet./ |
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| 16:34.50 | themill | Nyle: there's also the kmuto installer which is etch with a newer kernel |
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| 16:35.00 | stew | zeldafan500: in that case, get the cds that contain the packages you want to install, "/msg dpkg which cd" will help you figure out which cds contain which packages |
| 16:35.04 | Nyle | themill: don't even talk to me about kenshi's gargabe isos |
| 16:35.15 | hans-rudolf | zeldafan500:Y0u w1ll g3t l33tz0|2z fr0|\/| t3h t|_|835 |
| 16:35.24 | stew | hans-rudolf: english only in here please |
| 16:35.31 | ImR | Who be speaks Russian?? |
| 16:35.32 | y | how can I CHMOD 755 all files under the current directory without CHMOD'ing directories? |
| 16:35.34 | Nyle | yeh great that he is doing a lot of work and he is a good guy, means well, hcl list is awesome, but kmuto's isos have NEVER worked for me |
| 16:35.37 | Nyle | can't even boot |
| 16:35.42 | stew | ImR: /join #debian-russian |
| 16:35.49 | ImR | stew thank |
| 16:36.11 | zeldafan500 | I'm getting the full one ans that's it |
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| 16:36.23 | zeldafan500 | and I'm installing it on my laptop wich cant get internet |
| 16:36.25 | Nyle | zeldafan500: that seems like a better choice for the time being |
| 16:36.34 | hans-rudolf | zeldafan500: As you please my liege |
| 16:36.44 | asg | y: find ... -type f -print0 | xargs -0 chmod ... |
| 16:36.48 | Nyle | zeldafan500: you should ask in ##hardware about how to rig the plug so it stays on line |
| 16:38.01 | Nyle | man |
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| 16:38.09 | Nyle | Eid is no fun outside a muslim country |
| 16:38.12 | helo | i 'forgot' the passwords for an installation on a two disk raid1 array... how can i mount the raid array after booting from a netinst cd? |
| 16:38.15 | Nyle | eid really sucks in usa |
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| 16:38.23 | Nyle | eralksdfadajkhdkj! |
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| 16:38.42 | hans-rudolf | Nyle:What is eid? |
| 16:38.58 | bahadunn | Nyle: stoned again? |
| 16:38.59 | Nyle | hans-rudolf: as asg has put it, wikipedia is your friend. |
| 16:39.13 | Nyle | helo: which password? root password? |
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| 16:39.34 | bahadunn | helo: you can just reset the password? |
| 16:39.35 | hans-rudolf | Nyle: No it's not. |
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| 16:39.57 | Nyle | there was a factoid about recovering root password |
| 16:40.01 | Nyle | or resetting something |
| 16:40.03 | gamag | how can I install mysql on Debian? |
| 16:40.08 | asg | !i forgot root's password |
| 16:40.08 | dpkg | 1) 'linux init=/bin/sh' at a lilo boot prompt (hold Shift while booting to make one appear), 2) 'fsck' your root file system, 3) 'mount -o remount,rw /', 4) 'passwd root' 5) 'mount -o remount,ro /' 6) reboot -d -f (exec /sbin/init should work); For GRUB (e.g. etch, sarge): in step 1, press 'e' to edit the kernel setting (add init=/bin/sh to the end of it), 'b' to boot. Steps 2-6 are the same. |
| 16:40.11 | Nyle | gamag: aptitude install mysql |
| 16:40.17 | Nyle | asg: thanks |
| 16:40.17 | hans-rudolf | Nyle: is It: "Emerging Infectious Diseases" |
| 16:40.19 | bahadunn | just set init=/bin/bash in grub boot line |
| 16:40.19 | hans-rudolf | ? |
| 16:40.21 | asg | Nyle: :) |
| 16:40.24 | Nyle | hans-rudolf: stfu. |
| 16:40.28 | gamag | Nyle: I can't find any myql package in aptitude list |
| 16:40.28 | xlotlu | how can i call a model method in an admin template? i can't find any reference to the actual object being edited... trying to somehow reach it via its form |
| 16:40.28 | bahadunn | remount / partition as rw |
| 16:40.32 | bahadunn | and run passwd |
| 16:40.35 | Nyle | gamag: mysql-server? |
| 16:40.46 | Nyle | gamag: /msg dpkg search |
| 16:40.53 | hans-rudolf | Nyle: rotflpimplmao, uhm no |
| 16:41.20 | xlotlu | oops, wrong channel |
| 16:41.29 | stew | hans-rudolf: Nyle: please take your conversation elsewhere |
| 16:41.41 | Nyle | what conversation? |
| 16:41.48 | Nyle | I aint talking to nobody |
| 16:41.54 | hans-rudolf | Nyle: the one about what eid is |
| 16:42.02 | Nyle | ignorance is bliss |
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| 16:42.21 | Nyle | bahadunn: hey whats up man sorry i saw you said hey and i was thinking about somethin |
| 16:42.34 | Nyle | gamag: I think it is mysql-servr |
| 16:42.39 | hans-rudolf | Nyle: You were going to disambiguate it for me |
| 16:42.52 | stew | hans-rudolf: please take it to /msg |
| 16:42.54 | gamag | Nyle: thanks it worked |
| 16:43.02 | Nyle | mysql-server-5.0 |
| 16:43.06 | Nyle | thats that that depends on |
| 16:43.08 | hans-rudolf | oh well |
| 16:43.26 | gamag | Nyle: yes mysql-server works, it depends on 5.0 and hence it will be installed |
| 16:43.32 | Nyle | word |
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| 16:43.42 | gamag | word? |
| 16:43.43 | Nyle | I got a mysql5/apache1.3/php5 setup |
| 16:43.55 | gamag | why such an old apache? |
| 16:43.58 | Nyle | gamag: 'word' is kinda like saying 'cool' |
| 16:43.58 | bahadunn | Nyle: its time for me to jet |
| 16:44.03 | bahadunn | Nyle: things getting to weird here |
| 16:44.07 | Nyle | have a good one |
| 16:44.07 | gamag | oh word |
| 16:44.10 | bahadunn | Nyle: I feel the heat |
| 16:44.19 | Nyle | nah its alright man |
| 16:44.34 | bahadunn | Nyle: I am in #bslug for hassle free chatting |
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| 16:44.44 | gamag | what is bslug? |
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| 16:44.57 | Nyle | this is fairly hasslefree, and ops aren't a-holes but they do gotta run a productive channel |
| 16:45.03 | Nyle | i usually take OT stuff to #music |
| 16:45.03 | cahoot | BS? |
| 16:45.41 | maddash | 'BS'? |
| 16:46.23 | mike1o | found the solution |
| 16:46.26 | Nyle | bachelors in science? |
| 16:46.35 | Nyle | mike1o: what was the problem? |
| 16:46.52 | mike1o | couldn't change usb partition table |
| 16:47.09 | Nyle | why not |
| 16:47.14 | Nyle | and how did you fix it? |
| 16:47.20 | gamag | bs = country code of bahamas |
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| 16:48.00 | gamag | i want to change my laptop to a cube. how can I do that? |
| 16:48.10 | Nyle | get compiz conusion |
| 16:48.16 | Nyle | ergh fucked up that joke |
| 16:48.20 | Nyle | 'compiz confusion' |
| 16:48.25 | gamag | aptitude install compiz? |
| 16:48.30 | Nyle | umm |
| 16:48.31 | gamag | why confusion? |
| 16:48.32 | Nyle | I dunno |
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| 16:48.41 | Nyle | gamag: joke. try #compiz-fusion |
| 16:48.56 | Nyle | they would kow how to properly install it on debian since there might be 3rd party repositories |
| 16:48.56 | mike1o | gotta remove partitions starting from the last one |
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| 16:49.36 | gamag | oh shit! i thought you asked me to ask them why it is also known as compiz confusion and i asked that instead of asking how to install |
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| 16:49.39 | Nyle | I'm not sure if compiz fusion is in debian etch which is what you had i think |
| 16:49.48 | Nyle | oh my god |
| 16:49.51 | Nyle | dont' do that man |
| 16:49.57 | Nyle | they konw im the only one who ever makes that joke |
| 16:49.58 | Nyle | lol |
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| 16:50.41 | stew | compiz fusion didn't exist when etch was frozen |
| 16:50.58 | Nyle | stew: I didn't mean officially in etch |
| 16:51.15 | up365 | if you have etch all that's available is beryl |
| 16:51.18 | Nyle | I mean like 3rd party repos for which we have no factoids or info afaik |
| 16:51.21 | Nyle | stew: ^^ |
| 16:51.49 | stew | don't ask me |
| 16:52.13 | Nyle | i'm not asking, i know where that info is, its in #compiz-fusion |
| 16:52.20 | Nyle | so I point people to that room |
| 16:52.55 | Nyle | !compiz |
| 16:52.56 | dpkg | rumour has it, compiz is a window and composite manager that uses OpenGL for rendering. It runs on <Xgl> and <AIGLX>. It is now in Debian and can run when AIGLX and composite are enabled for your X server. Read http://wiki.debian.org/Compiz for configuration and usage details. Current state of Compiz (et al) in unstable can be found at http://wiki.debian.org/XStrikeForce/Compiz |
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| 16:53.08 | Nyle | hm |
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| 16:54.56 | atealtha | I am running etch+backports but want to upgrade to testing/unstable. How can I check and remove all backports packages to make sure nothing breaks during the upgrade? |
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| 16:56.21 | stew | atealtha: there is no need to |
| 16:56.45 | Nyle | !dnuts |
| 16:56.45 | dpkg | rumour has it, dnuts is Do Not Upgrade To Sid - or Deez Nuts - see <sid upgrade>, or see </msg dpkg sid faq> |
| 16:57.33 | lhadji | lol deeeez nuts |
| 16:57.41 | Nyle | all up in yo mouth! |
| 16:57.55 | Nyle | there was a dried fruit place in louisiana, old lady ran it, called D's Nuts |
| 16:57.58 | Nyle | hehe |
| 16:58.07 | lhadji | snoop dogg needs to openly admit his debian addiction |
| 16:58.13 | Nyle | debian? |
| 16:58.26 | Nyle | whoah whoah hold on a tick. snoop? debian? |
| 16:58.34 | Nyle | lhadji: what you been smokin man |
| 16:58.52 | lhadji | I come from the land down under mon |
| 16:59.02 | atealtha | well sid is just for the few packages I would want to get through aptitude -t unstable |
| 16:59.12 | Nyle | land down under is australian, 'mon' is jamaican, so umm.. what |
| 16:59.18 | Nyle | atealtha: got something better for ya |
| 16:59.22 | atealtha | stew: you mean it'll correct itself? |
| 16:59.24 | Nyle | !simple sid backport |
| 16:59.24 | dpkg | First: See if the package has already been backported. Ask me about <backports>. If it hasn't, 1) Add a deb-src line for sid to your sources.list. 2) apt-get update 3) apt-get build-dep packagename;apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resultant debs. |
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| 16:59.49 | muh2000_ | hi |
| 16:59.54 | Nyle | hola |
| 17:00.06 | lhadji | Nyle, smoked out |
| 17:00.10 | atealtha | is it really that highly suggested to stay with Etch/backports? |
| 17:00.12 | HardDisk_WP | hi all |
| 17:00.19 | Nyle | atealtha: YES |
| 17:00.39 | Nyle | atealtha: if its a desktop you don't care breaks or shit happens, sure run anything but stable |
| 17:00.44 | muh2000_ | does the openvpn package provided by debian has the ldap auth plugin ? |
| 17:01.03 | Nyle | but if you need this machine up and functional, i.e., server etc., then yes, stable is highly recommended |
| 17:01.04 | atealtha | Nyle: server is absolutely staying on Etch, this is a workstation I was thinking of upgrading |
| 17:01.13 | helo | simple sid backport rocks |
| 17:01.15 | Nyle | atealtha: which packages do you need |
| 17:01.25 | helo | i am a simple sid backport fanboy |
| 17:01.41 | Nyle | muh2000_: I don't know if its in the same package |
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| 17:02.08 | HardDisk_WP | anyone having a quick howto for X-over-ssh? |
| 17:02.09 | atealtha | Nyle: there are some, but would like to have the availability more than specific packages |
| 17:02.16 | muh2000_ | hmmm |
| 17:02.28 | Nyle | atealtha: not gonna happen, its not how debian works |
| 17:02.42 | atealtha | what do you mean? |
| 17:02.49 | Nyle | atealtha: you have two options. Either do what is no recomended, i.e, go to sid |
| 17:02.57 | asg | HardDisk_WP: /msg dpkg sshx |
| 17:02.59 | Nyle | or 2) use simple sid backport |
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| 17:03.18 | HardDisk_WP | thx |
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| 17:03.57 | stew | atealtha: the backported packages carry a version number less than that of the testing packages that they were backported from, so you wouldn't need to do anything |
| 17:04.30 | Nyle | hmm. i didn't know backports were done from testing on bpo |
| 17:04.42 | gamag | is there anyway to increase aptitude install speed? |
| 17:04.52 | Nyle | better hw? |
| 17:04.53 | atealtha | stew: so less recent than testing |
| 17:04.54 | lhadji | Nyle do you run etch as your desktop? |
| 17:04.58 | gamag | right now it shows 44 minutes remaining |
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| 17:05.05 | Nyle | lhadji: I will do no such thing |
| 17:05.12 | toad_ | anyone use memtester? i'm getting "Skipping to next test..." without getting any FAILURE ! according to the source code this is impossible... |
| 17:05.45 | Nyle | lhadji: I have a few etch servers. I prefer sid myself, but not for people. If there is a problem, I can usually fix it myself |
| 17:05.56 | Nyle | if you can't fix sid if it breaks, you shouldn't be using it |
| 17:06.20 | stew | atealtha: sometimes, but what i'm saying is that they craft the version numbers in such a way that you don't have to worry about what you are worrying about. if they take a package foo version 1.2.3 from testing and backport it, it will be version 1.2.3~bpo and 1.2.3~bpo < 1.2.3, so apt would upgrade you from the bpo version to the testing version |
| 17:06.21 | Nyle | is that too like dramatic! dun dun dun! |
| 17:06.30 | gamag | my friend was using sid but it gave so many problems that he uninstalled it and installed Ubuntu. |
| 17:06.34 | atealtha | Nyle: so the order you seem to suggest is Etch > backports > simple sid (deb-src) |
| 17:06.37 | gamag | I use lenny. |
| 17:06.52 | atealtha | stew: ahh |
| 17:06.53 | Nyle | there is a nice compromise |
| 17:07.11 | Nyle | lenny is stable enough, and not as buggy or potentially unstable as unstable |
| 17:07.21 | Nyle | its kinda old, but not too old |
| 17:07.36 | gamag | and i see it keeps updating also itself |
| 17:08.08 | gamag | like initially lenny had 2.6.22 kernel now it has 2.6.23 |
| 17:08.29 | HardDisk_WP | asg, lucas@v05-s130:~$ iceweasel |
| 17:08.29 | HardDisk_WP | X11 connection rejected because of wrong authentication. |
| 17:08.30 | HardDisk_WP | The application 'firefox-bin' lost its connection to the display localhost:10.0; |
| 17:08.30 | HardDisk_WP | most likely the X server was shut down or you killed/destroyed |
| 17:08.30 | HardDisk_WP | the application. |
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| 17:08.41 | HardDisk_WP | whoops |
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| 17:09.43 | asg | HardDisk_WP: do you have xauth installed on both server and client? |
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| 17:10.41 | Nyle | if memory serves correctly shouldn't that error be produced by well xauth but maybe xbase-clients etc. missing |
| 17:10.46 | atealtha | Nyle: so simple sid backports is alright, and Lenny is alright, but Lenny+Sid is not? |
| 17:10.55 | HardDisk_WP | asg, dunno what my friend has, i ask him |
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| 17:11.20 | asg | HardDisk_WP: the factoid I pointed you to has some requirements that must be met. |
| 17:11.22 | Nyle | atealtha: anything is alright with enough weed |
| 17:11.24 | Nyle | :) |
| 17:11.27 | Nyle | j/k |
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| 17:11.42 | Nyle | atealtha: just backport the packages you need. trust me, etch is the shit dude |
| 17:11.48 | Nyle | you don't want nothing but etch |
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| 17:12.10 | IgorSobreira | how can i see witch port each app is using? |
| 17:12.18 | asg | IgorSobreira: /msg dpkg open ports |
| 17:12.24 | Nyle | IgorSobreira: netstat |
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| 17:12.40 | Nyle | !open ports |
| 17:12.40 | dpkg | somebody said open ports was # netstat -plunt, or lsof -i -n, or ask me about <open files>, or fuser -n tcp <portnumber> |
| 17:12.56 | Nyle | lsofh |
| 17:13.03 | Nyle | hm, neat |
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| 17:14.06 | atealtha | Nyle: I'm already running Testing/Unstable at home. Am I doomed? |
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| 17:14.56 | Nyle | good god man |
| 17:14.57 | Nyle | no |
| 17:15.31 | node_6 | lol |
| 17:15.35 | Nyle | if you can keep yourself from crying like a little girl when shit breaks, then have at it. Sid isn't even officially 'supported' here |
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| 17:15.50 | Nyle | only stable and testing |
| 17:15.52 | IgorSobreira | my mysql server is running on 127.0.0.1, so i just can access from localhost, how can i set it to run in my external IP address? |
| 17:16.25 | atealtha | I get everything from Testing, I think I only had a handful of packages which I manually pulled from unstable |
| 17:16.32 | Nyle | IgorSobreira: look inside the config file |
| 17:16.37 | asg | IgorSobreira: please read the comments in /etc/mysql/my.cnf |
| 17:16.40 | atealtha | I'll try to keep from crying |
| 17:16.51 | Nyle | atealtha: good man |
| 17:16.56 | IgorSobreira | ok... |
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| 17:18.08 | Nyle | I recently started listening to Death again. I haven't heard any since 1997. Wow! This is almost as awesoem as debian! |
| 17:18.16 | Nyle | so you KNOW debian kicks ass |
| 17:18.29 | Nyle | thats right |
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| 17:19.41 | Nyle | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_(band) |
| 17:19.50 | asg | such an original name |
| 17:20.02 | Nyle | actually yes |
| 17:20.03 | Nyle | it is |
| 17:20.17 | atealtha | Nyle: so was your beef me just coming in here and sucking up people's time with new problems after upgrading? |
| 17:20.33 | Nyle | atealtha: bingo |
| 17:20.44 | Nyle | like I said, upto testing is supported here |
| 17:20.53 | gamag | it says 50 minutes remaining :-( |
| 17:20.53 | Nyle | officially |
| 17:21.08 | Nyle | well, as officially you can get in an unofficial channel |
| 17:21.15 | gamag | is there anything beyond testing also? |
| 17:21.15 | atealtha | ok |
| 17:21.24 | Nyle | gamag: unstable -> experimental |
| 17:21.32 | gamag | after experimental? |
| 17:21.38 | Nyle | gamag: source? |
| 17:21.39 | Nyle | heh |
| 17:21.46 | gamag | after source? |
| 17:21.50 | Nyle | the programmer? |
| 17:21.53 | Nyle | I dunno |
| 17:21.53 | gamag | i want to know where is the end |
| 17:21.59 | Nyle | the programmers brain |
| 17:22.01 | themill | !tell gamag about releases |
| 17:22.05 | Nyle | that is where itall ends |
| 17:22.14 | asg | !tell gamag about philosophy 101 |
| 17:22.18 | gamag | please don't joke Nyle . I am seriously asking what is the last version |
| 17:22.33 | Nyle | you've been told |
| 17:23.29 | stew | gamag: experimental is not a release, its just a partial collection of probably broken packages. unstable is technically a release, and would have the newest packages, but it is never released. |
| 17:23.44 | gamag | stew: ok |
| 17:24.25 | Nyle | Ebianday |
| 17:24.28 | VincentC | what would be a good tool to use if i'd like to backup ~50 megs of files from school onto my machine at home through ssh? |
| 17:25.03 | VincentC | i'd prefer something that is reliable and easy to use |
| 17:25.06 | Nyle | sftp? rsync? |
| 17:25.22 | Nyle | well |
| 17:25.24 | VincentC | ok i will check those out, thanks |
| 17:25.34 | stew | VincentC: rsync |
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| 17:26.08 | Nyle | easy to use |
| 17:26.16 | Nyle | that part is subjective :D |
| 17:26.24 | Nyle | both are reliable |
| 17:26.28 | VincentC | for now i am using scp to just transfer all the files over, it's one line but i don't think that is really backing up |
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| 17:27.13 | VincentC | is scp capable of only redownloading modified files? |
| 17:27.48 | stew | VincentC: no, but rsync will do that and will use ssh as the transport (which is the same transport that scp uses) |
| 17:27.52 | cahoot | sounds like a job for rsync |
| 17:28.03 | embrik | I'm not able to get my broadcom wireless bcm4310 to work - can anyone hold my hand through this? |
| 17:28.05 | Nyle | rsync is like a suped up updated hyper active turbo charged scp |
| 17:28.07 | Nyle | kinda sorta |
| 17:28.16 | VincentC | ok overwhelming reponse for rsync :p |
| 17:28.18 | HardDisk_WP | asg, my friend still has the problem; he has xauth on both machines and has restarted sshd and has modified sshd.conf |
| 17:28.32 | Nyle | HardDisk_WP: do you have xbase-clients installed |
| 17:28.33 | Nyle | ? |
| 17:28.37 | VincentC | embrik: i can try to help but i just installed my first server like two days ago |
| 17:28.44 | VincentC | one day was spent on the wireless :P |
| 17:28.49 | Nyle | i think thats the one anyway |
| 17:28.56 | HardDisk_WP | Nyle, dunno if he has; should he make on both or server only? |
| 17:28.59 | gg | I couldnt even get my wireless to work |
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| 17:29.02 | asg | HardDisk_WP: make sure to use ssh -X |
| 17:29.06 | HardDisk_WP | he does |
| 17:29.06 | VincentC | but the wounds are fresh and deep! |
| 17:29.18 | embrik | VincentC: did you install the same device as mine? |
| 17:29.26 | VincentC | no |
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| 17:29.52 | asg | HardDisk_WP: then try using ssh -vv to see if anything shows up in the debug output |
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| 17:30.07 | dserban | upon running dmesg it states that there are issues with ata7.0 ... how can I find out which drive this is? sd? |
| 17:30.14 | embrik | anybody whoi can help me with with installing wireless device bcm4310 |
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| 17:33.19 | VincentC | embrik: i think the procedure will be pretty similar though |
| 17:33.21 | VincentC | what have you done? |
| 17:33.25 | VincentC | so far |
| 17:34.21 | HardDisk_WP | asg http://pastebin.ca/827273 |
| 17:34.29 | embrik | I've tried to isntall it with apt-get according to a howto I read -but it didn't work -seems that the site holding this driver is down or gone. |
| 17:35.15 | amphi | embrik: bcm43xx module should be in your kernel - you have to muck about to get the fw I think |
| 17:35.20 | embrik | my kernel is a the moment 2.6.22-3 |
| 17:35.41 | embrik | amphi: |
| 17:35.43 | embrik | ok |
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| 17:36.30 | dkg | Could someone direct me to the equivalent of the ~/.xinitrc on Debian? |
| 17:36.44 | amphi | ~/.xsession |
| 17:36.45 | apt | ~/.xsession is the file for per-user X config if you use xdm/startx. E.g. "startkde". works with gdm if you select a Debian session. It's a script; put the commands you want (with & after them if they hang around), then your WM or DE last (no & on it). |
| 17:36.47 | asg | HardDisk_WP: odd. Try googling the authentication error you get and see if anything shows up. |
| 17:36.48 | dkg | amphi: Thanks |
| 17:37.12 | HardDisk_WP | asg, may it be that he uses this certificate stuff and that causes the problem? |
| 17:37.20 | Jrabbit | my X install is buggy |
| 17:37.22 | asg | HardDisk_WP: no, that shouldn't be an issue |
| 17:37.27 | Jrabbit | It doesn't have a fontpath section |
| 17:37.43 | Jrabbit | the dpkg command doesn't write a section for it |
| 17:37.49 | Jrabbit | am I missing core fonts? |
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| 17:38.00 | Jrabbit | (Did apt-get dist-upgrade wrong?) |
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| 17:38.47 | HardDisk_WP | Jrabbit, the xfonts package is your solution |
| 17:38.58 | HardDisk_WP | install the base, 75dpi and 100dpi |
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| 17:39.10 | Jrabbit | will that auto setp the fontpatrhs section? |
| 17:39.17 | Jrabbit | or do I have to do the dpkg again? |
| 17:39.21 | Jrabbit | or manually add |
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| 17:40.56 | Alminote | hello |
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| 17:41.15 | Alminote | how do I change "eth1" to "eth0" (I removed 1 NIC and the remaining one seems to think it's eth1 still) |
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| 17:41.26 | themill | !z25 |
| 17:41.27 | dpkg | well, z25 is as of version 0.090, udev has the ability to statically rename ethernet cards based on MAC address. The addresses are configured in /etc/udev/rules.d/z25_persistent-net.rules . If you want the mappings to change, edit that file. If you don't want udev to touch your interface names, remove that file and z45_persistent-net-generator.rules in the same directory. |
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| 17:42.19 | Alminote | ok thanks, another thing, the NIC is giving me some trouble, I set it to static etc. in interfaces but when I try to bring it up it says it's busy |
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| 17:42.35 | Alminote | it brings it up tho with unchanged mac and default DHCP ip (in ifconfig that is) |
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| 17:46.48 | embrik | apt-get install bcm43xx-fwcutter fails - I need to download this firmware - but every howto refers to apt-get install - anybody |
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| 17:47.45 | Ryan52 | embrik: what is the error you are recieving? |
| 17:47.46 | VincentC | hmmmmmm well my driver was available through google and the manufacturer's cd |
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| 17:48.27 | smacnay | I am curious if there is a java source that is acceptable to debian. Also a flash source. I need to use one or the other to send prints to my photo shop for printing. |
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| 17:48.52 | smacnay | I am not keen on either but it is a necessity with the distance I live from the photo place. |
| 17:48.59 | embrik | Ryan52: when i try to install the package - I am forwarded to a site containing the firmware - but it failes with a 404 message... |
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| 17:50.29 | embrik | smacnay: aptitude install |
| 17:50.29 | embrik | sun-java5-plugin |
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| 17:51.00 | Ryan52 | embrik: then maybe its an error in the package |
| 17:51.18 | Ryan52 | embrik: try downloading it from the project website |
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| 17:51.45 | embrik | I h\just want to download the firmware - Been on the projects site, can't find it.. |
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| 17:51.59 | embrik | the site I find, but not the firmvare |
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| 17:52.38 | embrik | smacnay: aptitude install |
| 17:52.38 | Ryan52 | embrik: what kernel versio ndo you have? |
| 17:52.38 | embrik | sun-java5-plugin |
| 17:52.46 | Ryan52 | embrik: This driver was included into the Linux kernel since 2.6.17-rc2 |
| 17:53.08 | embrik | Ryan52: 2.6.22-3 |
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| 17:53.23 | Ryan52 | embrik: then you should have it... |
| 17:53.37 | embrik | Ryan52: I know the driver is inculded - I need the firmware |
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| 17:53.46 | jrabbit05 | network is messed up |
| 17:53.46 | Ryan52 | ohhh.... |
| 17:54.31 | embrik | Ryan52: I can get it from a windows-box - but I haven't got any :-) |
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| 17:55.08 | Alminote | hmm seems it didn't allow me to change the MAC address but I realised that since the same-spoofed one is on the router in another network it's not a big deal |
| 17:55.10 | Alminote | works no |
| 17:55.12 | Alminote | now |
| 17:55.14 | Alminote | thanks again |
| 17:55.21 | embrik | smacnay: aptitude install flashplugin-nonfree |
| 17:55.35 | themill | !tell smacnay about flash |
| 17:55.37 | smacnay | embrik: thanks |
| 17:55.56 | themill | !tell smacnay about adobe flash |
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| 17:57.10 | Dantix | hi!, I'm trying to compile an atl2 module and results is at http://pastebin.org/12418. The first error comes from the following file http://pastebin.org/12419, anyone have some time to take a look and tell me how to fix it to compile right? |
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| 17:58.44 | jrabbit05 | I'mma kill my router |
| 17:58.58 | gg | wow deleting my home directory for my only login was a bad idea |
| 17:59.23 | gg | How would I go about getting back in my machine? |
| 17:59.25 | amphi | heh |
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| 17:59.40 | jrabbit | gg, root? |
| 17:59.48 | gg | cant login as root lol |
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| 17:59.51 | amphi | gg: boot with 'init=/bin/bash' the kernel command line |
| 17:59.55 | Ryan52 | embrik: www.puppyos.net/forum/azbb.php?1165639581 |
| 17:59.59 | amphi | ^on |
| 18:00.06 | embrik | where can I download firmware for Boadcom Corporation BCM4310 |
| 18:00.08 | jrabbit | basically edit it in grub |
| 18:00.16 | Ryan52 | embrik: www.puppyos.net/forum/azbb.php?1165639581 |
| 18:00.17 | embrik | where can I download firmware for Broadcom Corporation BCM4310 |
| 18:00.29 | gg | hmm |
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| 18:00.36 | themill | !tell gg about ifrp |
| 18:00.38 | amphi | !tell embrik about repeat |
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| 18:01.49 | themill | !tell embrik about bcm43xx-fwcutter etch |
| 18:03.23 | mickvdv | !tell embrik about bcm43xx-fwcutter etch |
| 18:03.23 | mickvdv | !tell mickvdv about bcm43xx-fwcutter etch |
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| 18:04.24 | themill | mickvdv: you can /msg dpkg or /join #debian-bots to find out about factoids for yourself. |
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| 18:07.52 | smacnay | embrik: any tricks to setting it up? |
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| 18:08.51 | gg | those steps didnt quite work |
| 18:09.00 | gg | I cant see my home |
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| 18:09.17 | willichan | Is there a scriptable method for resize an ext3 or a reiserfs partition to fill contiguous, unallocated disk space? |
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| 18:13.09 | gg | ok this sucks |
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| 18:16.20 | gg | I get a shell but I dont see alot of stuff like my home dir |
| 18:16.37 | themill | gg: what are you doing? |
| 18:16.56 | \amethyst | gg: I thought you said you deleted your home directory? |
| 18:16.59 | Darekv | hi |
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| 18:17.31 | themill | dpkg: greet Darekv |
| 18:17.31 | dpkg | Nihao, Darekv |
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| 18:19.11 | Darekv | I have strange problem (debian etch). I burned dvd-R and I don't see files, in widnows all files see |
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| 18:19.42 | gg | ok i renamed it |
| 18:20.45 | zamuro | Which packages do I need in order to watch myth tv live? |
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| 18:21.45 | embrik | themill: thanks a lot |
| 18:21.53 | jrabbit | lol twm |
| 18:22.08 | jrabbit | how does one not start twm with xstart? |
| 18:22.09 | jrabbit | XD |
| 18:22.19 | jrabbit | I think gnome is installed |
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| 18:22.31 | wols_ | jrabbit: install another WM |
| 18:22.36 | jrabbit | <_< |
| 18:22.39 | jrabbit | Gnome was |
| 18:22.44 | wols_ | jrabbit: what debian version do you run? |
| 18:22.49 | jrabbit | Lenny |
| 18:23.37 | wols_ | jrabbit: update-alternatives --display x-window-manager |
| 18:24.02 | Darekv | when I want mount cdrom, I see wrong fs type, bad superblock ... it's strage becouse cdrom is ok |
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| 18:24.11 | cahoot | audio? |
| 18:24.25 | gg | ok I cant fix it, reinstall? :-( |
| 18:24.26 | wols_ | Darekv: how do you mount it? what filesystem? |
| 18:25.06 | cahoot | audiocd? Darekv - then it's not meant for mounting |
| 18:25.11 | Darekv | mount -t iso9960 /dev/hdc /media/cdrom and is the same when I add this to fstab |
| 18:25.29 | wols_ | Darekv: cdrom or dvd-r? |
| 18:25.38 | themill | cahoot: you could turn that into a song lyric |
| 18:25.40 | Darekv | dvd-r |
| 18:25.54 | themill | that's not a cd... |
| 18:25.56 | wols_ | Darekv: DVDs use udf as filesystem not iso9660 |
| 18:26.33 | jrabbit | lol gdm is missing |
| 18:26.35 | jrabbit | <_< |
| 18:26.46 | themill | you should be able to leave out -t and the fs type anyway |
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| 18:28.12 | gg | this home dir thing is lame |
| 18:28.22 | Nyle | ? |
| 18:28.38 | jrabbit | I'm going to eat gnome |
| 18:28.39 | jrabbit | <_< |
| 18:28.51 | jrabbit | nom nom |
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| 18:29.00 | jrabbit | Why won't it JUST install |
| 18:29.03 | jrabbit | :'( |
| 18:29.03 | CalJohn | erm, can't seem to find the "nvidia-kernel-source" package...I have non-free and contrib repos added, and this is lenny |
| 18:29.10 | asg | jrabbit: why won't what install? |
| 18:29.16 | wols_ | !tell jrabbit about enter |
| 18:29.39 | wols_ | !why is nvidia-glx not in testing |
| 18:29.39 | dpkg | nvidia-glx is not in testing for the reasons listed in http://bjorn.haxx.se/debian/testing.pl?package=nvidia-glx |
| 18:29.58 | wols_ | CalJohn: and you are supposed to be able to fix such a problem on your own if you run testing |
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| 18:30.10 | Darekv | ok I tried, when I use udf instead iso9660 is the same error |
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| 18:31.20 | elmo40 | how do i find the 'tracks' of someone entering my computer? I have a LOT of hdd activity. |
| 18:31.26 | elmo40 | and 'who' only lists ME ! :/ |
| 18:31.32 | jrabbit | asg Gnome |
| 18:31.40 | jrabbit | I installed just the shell |
| 18:31.42 | asg | jrabbit: /msg dpkg install gnome |
| 18:31.44 | zelda` | ok it sayd cdimage.debian.org was ftp, but I tryed opening debian.org |
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| 18:31.48 | jrabbit | <_< |
| 18:31.58 | zelda` | wait wrong one |
| 18:31.59 | wols_ | elmo40: erm, linux is a multitasking machine |
| 18:31.59 | zelda` | i got it |
| 18:32.06 | CalJohn | wols_: the nvidia-graphics-driver package will be added as soon as xorg-server is added? |
| 18:32.13 | wols_ | just cause you don't have enough RAM doesn't mean you're 0wn3d |
| 18:32.15 | themill | gg: you've not given us any details about what you're trying to do or what is or isn't working. "This is lame" doesn't improve out mind-reading ability. |
| 18:32.23 | asg | themill: gg quit |
| 18:32.26 | elmo40 | wols_: i know... but i dont have anything scheduled to run at this time of day. |
| 18:32.35 | wols_ | CalJohn: ldunno. it's missing for weeks, maybe months now. so I doubt this is the full reason |
| 18:32.39 | elmo40 | nload is also showing way too much traffic! |
| 18:32.46 | wols_ | swapping is never schedulaed |
| 18:33.01 | jrabbit | Ugh |
| 18:33.07 | CalJohn | wols_: fair enough. i'll use the sid version for nvidia-graphic-driver |
| 18:33.13 | wols_ | since you can't see a process, it means there is a rootkit if you are hacked. which means the logs are useless |
| 18:33.16 | zelda` | ok cdimage.debian.org is ftp, but idk a name/pass to get the .iso with |
| 18:33.37 | wols_ | zelda`: you don't need one. ever heard of anon ftp? |
| 18:33.43 | asg | apparently not |
| 18:33.46 | zelda` | how |
| 18:33.48 | elmo40 | wols_: lets say it isnt a rootkit... what logs show entry access? |
| 18:33.58 | zelda` | in bash how do i make it anonymous |
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| 18:34.03 | asg | ? |
| 18:34.04 | wols_ | auth.log for example |
| 18:34.08 | CalJohn | zelda`: use wget? |
| 18:34.11 | wols_ | zelda`: what ftp client? |
| 18:34.14 | zelda` | bash |
| 18:34.17 | zelda` | i type ftp |
| 18:34.20 | CalJohn | zelda`: most clients do anon by default |
| 18:34.23 | zelda` | like ftp 127.0.0.1 |
| 18:34.27 | CalJohn | zelda`: wget > ftp |
| 18:34.31 | wols_ | zelda`: use username anonymous |
| 18:35.09 | jrabbit | hahaha |
| 18:35.15 | jrabbit | I jsut had to say "gdm" |
| 18:35.16 | jrabbit | rofl |
| 18:35.28 | cyzie | any deb developer here, I would like to have a practical guide with example on how to package a src code until release. |
| 18:35.28 | jrabbit | why isn't that affiliated with startx |
| 18:35.30 | jrabbit | :'( |
| 18:35.32 | CalJohn | jrabbit: rofl indeed. |
| 18:35.37 | elmo40 | wols_: thanks :) I didnt know about that log file. |
| 18:35.52 | jrabbit | CalJohn, thats really dumb |
| 18:35.53 | jrabbit | XD |
| 18:35.55 | wols_ | jrabbit: it's the wrong way to do it |
| 18:35.58 | asg | jrabbit: because gdm does the same thing as startx |
| 18:36.02 | jrabbit | Noooo |
| 18:36.09 | jrabbit | GDM lauched twm |
| 18:36.10 | jrabbit | XD |
| 18:36.11 | CalJohn | jrabbit: I'm guessing you're new to unix? |
| 18:36.18 | jrabbit | No |
| 18:36.26 | jrabbit | I'm new to installing off of nothing |
| 18:36.28 | wols_ | jrabbit: I asked you something a LONG time ago |
| 18:36.36 | jrabbit | huh sorry |
| 18:36.39 | wols_ | and stop misusing the enter key! |
| 18:36.44 | wols_ | !enter |
| 18:36.44 | dpkg | The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter unecessarily makes it difficult to follow what you are saying. Consider using ',', '. ', ';', '...', '---', or ':' instead. |
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| 18:37.11 | jrabbit | wols_, what? |
| 18:37.30 | wols_ | qyou misuses your enter key. stop that |
| 18:37.44 | jrabbit | Not helping, serriously |
| 18:37.46 | wols_ | don't write 2 words max and then hit enter |
| 18:37.53 | themill | !tell cyzie about nmg |
| 18:38.05 | jrabbit | GDM doesn't have a Gnome session... |
| 18:38.16 | CalJohn | jrabbit: he is helping, you're unhelpful. |
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| 18:38.20 | jrabbit | Why is nothing setup via installing the package. |
| 18:38.24 | helo | your mom's helpful |
| 18:38.42 | jrabbit | This is contrary to why I like apt. >.< |
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| 18:39.44 | riot | Hmm. I just upgraded my kernel and tried to upgrade ati's (damn) fglrx, too. The module is built, i did an aticonfig --initial - all fine so far.. But now, starting x leaves me with "(EE) No devices detected" and thus "no screens found" :( |
| 18:39.54 | riot | the module is even loaded without errors et al |
| 18:40.04 | helo | if i make a deb, is there a mechanism i can use to make changes to config files installed by other programs... specifically /etc/{hosts,exports,dhcp3/dhcpd.conf} |
| 18:40.07 | wols_ | dpkg -l |grep fglrx |
| 18:40.07 | dpkg | No packages found matching |grep fglrx |
| 18:40.17 | jrabbit | Hahaha |
| 18:40.21 | wols_ | riot: output of he above command? |
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| 18:41.33 | riot | wols_: i use 2.6.22-3-685 with fglrx-src 8.43.2-2 (driver matching) |
| 18:41.47 | wols_ | riot: I want you to pastebin the output |
| 18:41.50 | jrabbit | Is the atmel at**** driver in the nonfree/contrib repo? |
| 18:42.31 | riot | wols_: http://pastebin.com/d29f7b75f |
| 18:43.22 | wols_ | riot: is the above error the only thing in your Xorg.log? and have you actually checked your xorg.conf? |
| 18:43.23 | asg | jrabbit: /msg dpkg search |
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| 18:43.48 | jrabbit | bah it wasn't commented sanely |
| 18:44.00 | y | Can someone help me sort out a RewriteRule problem (apache)? |
| 18:44.02 | y | http://pastebin.com/mf9c0f37 |
| 18:44.15 | y | The Rule is working but its not respecting the index.php, its bringing up a Dir listing. |
| 18:44.16 | asg | y: have you asked #apache? |
| 18:44.27 | y | asg, yes. Its super slow. I've found more help here. |
| 18:44.51 | riot | wols_: i tried an old one that worked - nada, i did a fresh config using aticonfig - nada.. and strangely, no there are no other warnings/errors :(( |
| 18:45.19 | riot | wols_: dmesg is clean, loading the fglrx-module produces no warnings - seems like that one works fine. (I built it using m-a) |
| 18:45.31 | zelda` | <PROTECTED> |
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| 18:46.43 | jrabbit | what is iwconfig's wired replacement? |
| 18:47.13 | \amethyst | jrabbit: ifconfig ? |
| 18:47.19 | jrabbit | oh |
| 18:47.37 | riot | aah.. stupid proprietary display drivers everytime.. |
| 18:47.40 | \amethyst | also ethtool for some things |
| 18:47.56 | jrabbit | Thanks |
| 18:48.06 | jrabbit | I can't stand this damned shell resoultion |
| 18:48.29 | zelda` | ftp froze at this |
| 18:48.30 | zelda` | 150 Opening BINARY mode data connection for debian-40r1-i386-CD-1.iso (677470208 bytes). |
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| 18:49.48 | icewaterman | hi, why is there no sun-java6-plugin for amd64? |
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| 18:50.19 | icewaterman | there is sun-java6 for amd64 and it works fine, just there is no plugin for the browser |
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| 18:50.56 | asg | icewaterman: presumably because the plugin was only compiled for 32 bit systems. You could consult #debian-amd64 also. |
| 18:50.57 | jrabbit | Hahaha, there was a gnome-session package that fixed it while installing gnome-core |
| 18:51.13 | icewaterman | asg: ah, didnt know that channel existed |
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| 18:51.34 | asg | jrabbit: did you install gnome or gnome-core? |
| 18:51.39 | jrabbit | Ugh the resolution isn't right, time to mess with xorg.xonfig |
| 18:51.48 | jrabbit | I did -core |
| 18:51.57 | elmo40 | wols_: There's a command that tells the last so many logins, but I can't remember what it was. |
| 18:51.58 | jrabbit | I tried -desktop-env before |
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| 18:52.02 | jrabbit | it didn't do it right |
| 18:52.04 | riot | wols_: seems like i'm stuck with bug 456185 http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=456184 :( |
| 18:52.05 | elmo40 | wols_: do you know it? |
| 18:52.10 | asg | jrabbit: that's why gdm did not get configured correctly. |
| 18:52.27 | jrabbit | :\ |
| 18:52.29 | prgmrchris | elmo40: lastlog |
| 18:52.32 | riot | Damn, i HATE ati and nvidia. Stupid dorks. |
| 18:52.51 | prgmrchris | nvidia is ez |
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| 18:53.59 | elmo40 | prgmrchris: thanks |
| 18:54.14 | enouf | prgmrchris: cool, i forgot about that one ;-) |
| 18:55.01 | prgmrchris | yep |
| 18:55.10 | prgmrchris | sometimes its `last |
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| 18:55.48 | jrabbit | I can't find At76* in the main repos |
| 18:55.53 | jrabbit | Where is it hiding :D |
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| 18:59.08 | hark | !info atmel-firmware |
| 18:59.11 | dpkg | atmel-firmware: (Firmware for Atmel at76c50x wireless networking chips.), section non-free/net, is optional. Version: 1.3-3 (sid), Packaged size: 456 kB, Installed size: 860 kB |
| 18:59.22 | hark | the driver should be in the kernel |
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| 19:05.29 | inty | hey, there's no alsa-firmware package in debian.. where is it? :S |
| 19:05.30 | mgpaulus | hello all. I'm looking for a simple serial terminal program. Something that will give me access to a modem, or other serial device, and allow me to interact with it via keyboard. |
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| 19:05.41 | mgpaulus | Not sure what package would be good for that. |
| 19:05.45 | asg | mgpaulus: minicom |
| 19:05.55 | mgpaulus | kermit seems way too overbuilt for what I want |
| 19:05.56 | asg | mgpaulus: ser2net can also be useful |
| 19:06.02 | mgpaulus | asg: thanks. |
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| 19:07.22 | negativo- | alguma gatinha quer tc? |
| 19:07.25 | negativo- | cmf |
| 19:07.27 | negativo- | cmg |
| 19:07.31 | riot | wols_: i have a solution. The packaged drivers are made of catalyst 7.11 which doesn't include support for FireGL-cards (stupid mistake by ati, that is).. so i'll have to build my own catalyst-debs from current sources.. |
| 19:07.35 | asg | !br |
| 19:07.35 | dpkg | Este canal é apenas em inglês. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues. |
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| 19:08.13 | JW | How do I setup a second secondary IP in /etc/network/interfaces, in order to get a third IP on my box? I can get one secondary to work, but not 2. |
| 19:08.34 | zelda` | whats the command for making a directory |
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| 19:08.43 | JW | zelda`: mkdir |
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| 19:09.44 | y | I am not the owner of a file but I am in the group of the file and the permissions are 775. Why can't I edit? |
| 19:09.45 | asg | JW: create an alias (i.e., define eth0:0, eth0:1, etc.) |
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| 19:10.27 | JW | asg: you mean, in addition to the "up ip addr add . . . " line I need another line, define eth0:1? |
| 19:12.02 | JW | asg: I can get one secondary to work, with this line: up ip addr add dev eth0 local 99.999.179.108/27 broadcast 99.999.179.127 |
| 19:12.02 | JW | asg: but it's when I try to add another one (for 3 addresses total) that it breaks |
| 19:12.03 | JW | I also tried using the "label" options but that did not help |
| 19:12.03 | asg | JW: where are you defining that? |
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| 19:12.03 | simonrvn | or use a up statement and use "ip addr add ...." |
| 19:12.03 | JW | asg: in /etc/network/interfaces, as I said in my initial question |
| 19:12.04 | dacs | hello everyone |
| 19:12.07 | simonrvn | and a down one with "ip addr del ..." |
| 19:12.17 | JW | simonrvn: I did, as I said: up ip addr add dev eth0 local 99.999.179.108/27 broadcast 99.999.179.127 |
| 19:12.35 | simonrvn | didn't see that |
| 19:12.37 | dacs | i am using exceed at my work and i want to know if it is possable if i can run my desktop in a ssh from exceed |
| 19:12.44 | JW | simonrvn: that's ok |
| 19:12.55 | JW | simonrvn: and that does work for ONE additional address |
| 19:13.01 | johndoevodka | from which depository should i get wine 0.9.51 for 64bit debian ? |
| 19:13.13 | Nyle | simonrvn: hi |
| 19:13.19 | simonrvn | hi Nyle |
| 19:13.20 | Nyle | is there a way to call Pakistan from linux? |
| 19:13.29 | Nyle | simonrvn: Happy Eid Mubarak! |
| 19:13.29 | simonrvn | JW: i do it for 12 additional ones |
| 19:13.32 | dacs | Nyle: use Asterisk |
| 19:13.48 | simonrvn | Nyle: happy Eid :) |
| 19:13.53 | Nyle | thank you |
| 19:13.54 | dacs | simonrvn: Happy Eid |
| 19:14.14 | Nyle | I have software that I use and have accoutns with ..... wait a minute |
| 19:14.15 | dacs | simonrvn: you should send us some meat man :) |
| 19:14.20 | Nyle | I think I got 10$ left in skype |
| 19:14.31 | Nyle | so if its 14c/min to pakistan |
| 19:14.33 | Nyle | I got like |
| 19:14.40 | Nyle | over a 100 minutes |
| 19:14.41 | _Trinity_ | sorry negativo- I not interested your "interested in know who knows how new knows how?" spam ... what every that means |
| 19:14.42 | JW | simonrvn: may I PLEASE see what your 3rd and 4th addresses lines look like? |
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| 19:14.52 | johndoevodka | Nyle: more like 70 min |
| 19:14.55 | simonrvn | JW: i do it with post-up |
| 19:14.55 | Nyle | oh |
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| 19:14.58 | Nyle | hehe I can't do math |
| 19:14.58 | dacs | Nyle: 14/c min this is alot |
| 19:15.01 | JW | simonrvn: if you're on the Debian mailing list, I just posted something about this: you could trply to that email |
| 19:15.08 | _Trinity_ | what ever |
| 19:15.09 | maddash | 'eid'? |
| 19:15.16 | Nyle | dacs: yeh well I don't have minutes on my cell phone and I don't have a land line |
| 19:15.20 | wols_ | JW: 99.999.179.108 quality IP tha |
| 19:15.20 | JW | simonrvn: if you included the whole eth0 section of your conf it would be awesome |
| 19:15.22 | wols_ | *that |
| 19:15.30 | wols_ | JW: where is this netowkr? on alpha centauri? |
| 19:15.31 | Nyle | maddash: wikipedia |
| 19:15.35 | simonrvn | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:15.39 | JW | wols_: ignore it. As a matter opf fact it is :-) |
| 19:15.49 | simonrvn | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:15.52 | simonrvn | etc. |
| 19:15.55 | wols_ | good. cause it certainly isn't here |
| 19:16.02 | dacs | Nyle: i am sure you can config an asterisk box and shipt there and you will talk for free |
| 19:16.08 | asg | simonrvn: you can also define eth0:0 stanzas in interfaces and use auto |
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| 19:16.11 | Nyle | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eid_ul-Adha |
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| 19:16.22 | JW | simonrvn: post-up: I've never seen that int he documentation |
| 19:16.26 | simonrvn | asg: yes i di that, but it's faster that way |
| 19:16.37 | JW | simonrvn: would you be able to email me all or at least a large portion of your interfaces file? |
| 19:16.40 | simonrvn | asg: shorter to read etc. |
| 19:16.42 | negativo- | see.. geek girls are bad mood lol |
| 19:16.42 | zelda` | lol |
| 19:16.54 | asg | simonrvn: but allows more flexibility if you want to take one or more aliases down using ifup/ifdown |
| 19:17.18 | Nyle | dacs: how exactly does asterisk work |
| 19:17.25 | simonrvn | asg: sure, but i never do that |
| 19:17.34 | JW | asg: are you talking about aliases (ifconfig eth0:0 . . . ) or secondary IPs (ip addr add . . . ) |
| 19:17.43 | asg | JW: aliases |
| 19:17.54 | JW | asg: yeah. I'm trying to deal with secondary IPs |
| 19:18.18 | JW | simonrvn: would you be willing to email me all or at least a large portion of your interfaces file? |
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| 19:18.49 | simonrvn | JW: pre-down ip addr del XXX.XXX.XXX.XXX/28 dev eth0:11 |
| 19:19.20 | simonrvn | you can get the rest from that ;) |
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| 19:20.39 | JW | simonrvn: so what you're saying is, the FIRST secondary IP I'll use "up ip addr addr . . ." and the second and all the rest I"ll use "post-up ip addr add . . ." |
| 19:20.47 | JW | simonrvn: am I undertanding you right? |
| 19:21.15 | JW | simonrvn: or skip the "up ip addr add . . . " part entirely? |
| 19:21.27 | simonrvn | first one i use "usual" interfaces syntax, the rest i use the post-up and pre-down stuff |
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| 19:21.41 | simonrvn | so the secondaries have something to attach to ;) |
| 19:22.35 | JW | simonrvn: right, I did say "first secondary", meaning, the 2nd IP grand total. I'm not discussing the base IP :-) |
| 19:23.24 | simonrvn | i don't use up at all, just post-up |
| 19:23.38 | simonrvn | and no down, just pre-down |
| 19:23.44 | JW | got it |
| 19:23.47 | JW | trying it now |
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| 19:24.07 | JW | simonrvn: do you use the "label" tag/option/whateverit'scalled ? |
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| 19:24.15 | simonrvn | nope |
| 19:24.16 | riot | wols_: works :) |
| 19:24.25 | riot | wols_: thanks anyway *g* |
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| 19:24.56 | simonrvn | i tried doing it in a for loop, but ifup didn't like that much |
| 19:25.00 | JW | heh |
| 19:25.25 | fengor | is there a way to change settings of a v4l device while it is in use by another program? |
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| 19:25.59 | zelda` | how do I get back to normal after doing sudo -i |
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| 19:26.11 | fengor | for example setting a webcam to 640x480 instead of 320x240? |
| 19:26.11 | asg | zelda`: ctrl+d |
| 19:26.18 | fengor | or logouut |
| 19:26.20 | fengor | -u |
| 19:26.33 | JW | simonrvn: got to reboot to see if it works. I have never had problems redoing network configs like I have on Etch, and I've used dozens of distrobutions and releases. |
| 19:26.33 | zelda` | klol |
| 19:26.50 | simonrvn | JW: /etc/init.d/networking restart |
| 19:26.59 | JW | simonrvn: no joke, but it neve works |
| 19:27.08 | JW | when I've made a major change to the conf file |
| 19:27.15 | simonrvn | *shrug*, too bad |
| 19:27.32 | JW | I can even ifconfig everything down by hand, and /etc/init.d/networking restart still won't start up the networking |
| 19:27.37 | JW | it drives me crazy |
| 19:27.58 | simonrvn | ugh. sounds like bad bug to me |
| 19:28.25 | JW | simonrvn: yeah, and it misbehaves the most when I've been playing with secondary IPs. It's not so bad with IP aliases |
| 19:28.35 | JW | or just changing base IPs. |
| 19:29.06 | JW | on some installations I have no trouble, and others are totally contankerous. I can't find what causes it |
| 19:29.19 | JW | I used the same install CD and the same package list on all my servers. |
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| 19:29.46 | Seb | how would I check if a virtual package is provided on an existing system ? |
| 19:29.50 | jrabbit | Why can't I edit /etc/sudoers? :\ |
| 19:29.58 | JW | never had trouble like this on sarge, but I never tried to use secondary IPs on sarge, either. |
| 19:30.00 | Seb | searching for all the reverse-provides, and doing dpkg -l on each one of them, sounds retarded |
| 19:30.01 | asg | jrabbit: using visudo(1)? |
| 19:30.06 | simonrvn | !visudo |
| 19:30.07 | dpkg | [visudo] how you add users to your /etc/sudoers file. 'man visudo' for details, and also ask me about <sudoers> |
| 19:30.15 | asg | er (8) |
| 19:30.15 | jrabbit | oh lol |
| 19:30.15 | zelda` | lol |
| 19:31.21 | techouse | ho do i build a .deb package from this ftp://ftp.berlios.de/pub/rox4debian/libs/libwnck18-2.16.3_Linux-i386.tgz |
| 19:31.22 | techouse | ? |
| 19:31.39 | jrabbit | oh fucking vi |
| 19:31.41 | jrabbit | <_< |
| 19:31.48 | embrik | .. |
| 19:32.00 | simonrvn | export EDITOR=nano; visudo |
| 19:32.06 | asg | jrabbit: update-alternatives --config editor |
| 19:32.11 | jrabbit | <_< |
| 19:32.21 | simonrvn | or just EDITOR=nano visudo |
| 19:32.41 | jrabbit | oh FUCK |
| 19:32.50 | jrabbit | I can't su even now |
| 19:32.51 | jrabbit | <_ |
| 19:33.26 | jrabbit | oh there |
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| 19:34.18 | cahoot | no need post every emotion to the channel |
| 19:34.28 | maddash | update-alt editor => "There is only 1 program which provides editor |
| 19:34.28 | maddash | (/bin/nano-tiny). Nothing to configure." visudo =>"visudo: no editor found (editor path = /usr/bin/vi)" |
| 19:34.33 | simonrvn | really?! |
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| 19:35.46 | karsten | maddash: Then export EDITOR=nan |
| 19:36.11 | karsten | maddash: ...for the moment. Or install vim and set alternatives to point editor to vim. |
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| 19:36.28 | maddash | karsten: but will that persist across reboots? |
| 19:36.30 | dacs | Nyle: i am very sorry i got caught up with some work |
| 19:36.37 | maddash | karsten: the first one, I mean |
| 19:36.43 | karsten | maddash: Installing will. Exporting won't. |
| 19:37.06 | karsten | maddash: You set your environment in your shell login / rc file. For bash: ~/.bash_profile or ~/.bashrc |
| 19:37.12 | karsten | maddash: Globally in /etc/profile. |
| 19:37.20 | maddash | karsten: so there's nothing else other than hacking the export into, say, /etc/profile? |
| 19:37.35 | karsten | maddash: See above. |
| 19:37.44 | karsten | maddash: But basically, yes. |
| 19:37.55 | maddash | oh well. |
| 19:38.17 | karsten | maddash: The profile is read once per login session, the shell init file (.bashrc) is read each time bash starts. |
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| 19:38.45 | karsten | maddash: The idea is to put slow / one-time-only stuff into your profile, things which may change frequently or which are needed on every shell init into the .bashrc. |
| 19:38.46 | jrabbit | God bless fgrlx |
| 19:38.49 | jrabbit | lol |
| 19:38.49 | zelda` | lol |
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| 19:39.08 | maddash | jrabbit: you don't know what you're sayig |
| 19:39.32 | techouse | i'm trying to install emerald but it keeps saying that it depends on libwnck18 (2.18.2), but the problem is i can't find it in any repos :P |
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| 19:40.40 | jrabbit | Umm, If I'm looking for what was in Ubuntu's System -> Admin |
| 19:40.45 | jrabbit | Where would I look |
| 19:40.50 | jrabbit | (Non root user) |
| 19:40.59 | dacs | su doesn't work for me and i get -bash: /bin/su: Permission denied |
| 19:41.01 | dondelelcaro | jrabbit: what in particular are you trying to do? |
| 19:41.16 | jrabbit | Editing network setup |
| 19:41.38 | jrabbit | And the stuff that seems to be missing XD |
| 19:41.46 | maddash | techouse: checkinstall |
| 19:41.55 | JW | simonrvn: your suggestion did not work. When I reboot I get only the base IP. If I "network restart" it loses all IPs and won't come back til I reboot |
| 19:42.03 | dondelelcaro | jrabbit: if you're using network-manager, you can just use that. Otherwise, edit /etc/network/interfaces |
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| 19:42.26 | techouse | maddash: where do i use this option? |
| 19:42.28 | jrabbit | dondelelcaro, networkmanager is all screwy |
| 19:42.29 | jrabbit | :\ |
| 19:42.41 | JW | simonrvn: are you sure dev should be eth0:1 eth0:2 etc instead of eth0 ? |
| 19:42.42 | jrabbit | I can't edit ANYTHING in it |
| 19:42.47 | jrabbit | Or open the dialog to edit |
| 19:42.51 | dondelelcaro | techouse: uh... why doesn't it also work with libwnck18 2.18.3? |
| 19:42.57 | jrabbit | (Which I thought that was all nmapplet did |
| 19:43.14 | \amethyst | dacs: what does ls -l /bin/su say about its permissions? |
| 19:43.22 | techouse | my repos only list libwnck18 2.14.3-1 |
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| 19:43.49 | techouse | and it should work with 2.18.3, since it said >=2.18.2 |
| 19:44.32 | JW | simonrvn: no, sorry, they DID work, and for the first time, I can't see the secondaries with ifconfig |
| 19:45.00 | JW | simonrvn: I had read that was the case but on my other servers they showed up in ifconfig anyway! Bizzare |
| 19:45.02 | dondelelcaro | techouse: it's in unstable, at least. Find a backport on backports.org or backport it yourself. |
| 19:45.10 | dondelelcaro | !tell techouse -about backport |
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| 19:45.27 | \amethyst | !info libwnck18 |
| 19:45.39 | \amethyst | it's not in sid |
| 19:45.44 | techouse | w00t...didn't know it was there |
| 19:45.46 | techouse | :P |
| 19:45.51 | dacs | -rwx------ 1 root root 27000 2007-02-26 23:53 /bin/su |
| 19:46.02 | \amethyst | dacs: how did that happen? |
| 19:46.07 | dondelelcaro | !+info libwnck18 testing |
| 19:46.08 | dpkg | Updating debian files... please wait. |
| 19:46.11 | dpkg | Package 'libwnck18' does not exist. |
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| 19:46.26 | \amethyst | sid has libwnck22 |
| 19:46.27 | dondelelcaro | well, it was in testing, actually. Now it looks like everything has shifted to libwnck22 |
| 19:46.37 | dacs | \amethyst: you ask me, ask debian lol |
| 19:46.37 | zelda` | lol |
| 19:46.45 | dacs | i have no idea |
| 19:46.47 | \amethyst | techouse: what package has that dependency? |
| 19:47.01 | techouse | emerald |
| 19:47.01 | dondelelcaro | dacs: uh... nothing would have set the permissions on su to something like that. |
| 19:47.08 | dacs | one i installed sudo the su stoped working |
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| 19:47.28 | techouse | dondelelcaro: i have backports in my sources.list and i still can't find it |
| 19:47.40 | \amethyst | dacs: what does ls -lc say about the time (it will be different from ls -l) |
| 19:47.45 | techouse | and i can't find it on http://www.backports.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=packages either |
| 19:47.54 | dondelelcaro | techouse: well, it's probably not backported then. If libwnck22 will work, you can just backport that version. Ask dpkg about simple sid backport |
| 19:47.55 | \amethyst | techouse: emerald? what's that? |
| 19:48.02 | techouse | no |
| 19:48.02 | \amethyst | techouse: where did you get that package, I mean? |
| 19:48.05 | techouse | 22 doesn't work |
| 19:48.11 | Ryan52 | how do you tell if your computer has usb 2.0 support? I know that you can do it with lsmod and check if a certain module is loaded but is there an easier way? |
| 19:48.15 | dacs | -rwx------ 1 root root 27000 2007-10-16 16:33 /bin/su |
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| 19:48.31 | \amethyst | dacs: what were you doing around that time? |
| 19:48.45 | \amethyst | dacs: because that's probably when su stopped working |
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| 19:49.12 | dacs | \amethyst: masterbating |
| 19:49.13 | dondelelcaro | dacs: so reinstall login, and figure out what you were doing over two months ago. |
| 19:49.13 | dacs | lol |
| 19:49.14 | zelda` | lol |
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| 19:49.18 | cahoot | Ryan52: try dmesg|grep -i 'usb 2' |
| 19:49.26 | Ryan52 | thanks cahoot |
| 19:49.28 | dutchfish | i am compiling 2.6.26-rc6 for debian etch, can someone explain me what the nano watchdog timer (NEW) is? |
| 19:49.31 | dondelelcaro | dacs: if chmod is what turns you on, something is wrong. |
| 19:49.33 | cahoot | is zelda` a bot or just acting as one? |
| 19:49.39 | zelda` | what? |
| 19:49.43 | zelda` | why are you highlighting me |
| 19:49.44 | \amethyst | dacs: the problem is the permissions: they should be 4755. HOWEVER, your system may have been compromised by someone then, if you don't change it |
| 19:49.46 | dacs | hahahahahhaah |
| 19:49.57 | zelda` | it's a 1337 lol script. |
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| 19:50.04 | \amethyst | techouse: where does this emerald package come from ? |
| 19:50.27 | techouse | sid probably |
| 19:50.40 | techouse | wait...i think i found the problem |
| 19:50.40 | dacs | \amethyst: so as root i should chmod 4755 /bin/su |
| 19:50.44 | \amethyst | techouse: no, it's not in sid |
| 19:51.06 | techouse | well then it from the repos of compiz-fusion : |
| 19:51.09 | \amethyst | dacs: run debsums login first just to be sure |
| 19:51.36 | techouse | deb http://download.tuxfamily.org/shames/debian-lenny/desktopfx/unstable/ ./ |
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| 19:51.48 | techouse | from here probably |
| 19:52.09 | dacs | r@Corky:/$ sudo debsum login |
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| 19:52.25 | \amethyst | techouse: try getting libwnck18 from snapshot.debian.net |
| 19:52.36 | \amethyst | dacs: debsums with an s |
| 19:53.04 | dacs | \amethyst: not found |
| 19:53.07 | \amethyst | dacs: you might not have the package installed |
| 19:53.09 | blackbart | I was sshed into a server and running a command which takes a long time to execute, when I check back later I see "Read from remote host myhost: Connection timed out \ Connection to myhost closed." How can I prevent this? |
| 19:53.25 | amphi | blackbart: run the command in screen |
| 19:53.40 | PaulTT | Hi all.. I need a bit of assistance migrating from RHEL5 to debian via debootstrap (at least that's what I think is the best tool). The server is remotely hosted and I'm doing this via SSH. How can I create a partition to install the debian bare bones? |
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| 19:55.29 | nvz | PaulTT: with a partition utility like cfdisk |
| 19:55.56 | PaulTT | nvz: I attempted to do so with resize2fs, however was told I could not resize online |
| 19:56.06 | nvz | PaulTT: there are other ways, you could install debian in a chroot, or use debtakeover, or just tell your hosting provider you want debian is much easier |
| 19:56.10 | PaulTT | nvz: this is a raid 1 array, btw. |
| 19:56.16 | \amethyst | techouse: http://snapshot.debian.net/cgi-bin/packages.cgi?package=libwnck&details=details |
| 19:56.46 | kamathln | thx to #openezx, i hav debian on my phone. Big deal for a phone hacking newbie flickr.com/photos/kamathln |
| 19:57.16 | PaulTT | nvz: debtakeover sounds great |
| 19:57.40 | nvz | PaulTT: heh, yeah it does, I've never tried it, cause I wouldnt be crazy enough to have a system running anything but debian in the first place |
| 19:57.42 | techouse | \amethyst: then put the repos lines in sources.list and use apt-get? |
| 19:57.44 | PaulTT | nvz: Hosting provider wants to charge $150 for a custom OS install--I think I'd rather take my chances first before forking over that kind of cash :) |
| 19:57.55 | nvz | PaulTT: hah. bastards. |
| 19:58.02 | dacs | \amethyst: debsums login return ok on all |
| 19:58.03 | \amethyst | techouse: yes, using the syntax (libwnck18=version) that it suggests |
| 19:58.05 | amphi | kamathln: what phone? |
| 19:58.11 | nvz | PaulTT: I can't blame you there. |
| 19:58.16 | PaulTT | nvz: for some reason, the planet stopped offering debian as an option. When I purchased my first servers with them, they'd install debian... but it was either RH or CentOS this time round. |
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| 19:58.36 | kamathln | amphi: Motorola A780 |
| 19:58.50 | amphi | kamathln: ah, thanks |
| 19:59.03 | kamathln | amphi: ?? |
| 19:59.12 | nvz | PaulTT: hmm.. that is beyond my understanding why anyone would do such a thing |
| 19:59.18 | PaulTT | nvz: I gave RH a good two days.... and then I remembered why I migrated to Debian in the first place years ago. I just can't continue to pull my hair out over such ridiculous package management |
| 19:59.19 | \amethyst | techouse: I think 2.18.3-1 is the last one available |
| 19:59.42 | nvz | PaulTT: yeah which is why I can't understand why these sorts of companies don't all use debian |
| 19:59.50 | h3sp4wn | PaulTT: Could you not just get them to put the ssh install cd in for you ? |
| 19:59.53 | nvz | its got to be harder to maintain |
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| 20:00.35 | nvz | probably cause redhat vendor-certified psuedo-geeks are easy to come by |
| 20:00.53 | techouse | \amethyst: libwnck18: Depends: libwnck-common (< 2.19) but 2.20.2-1 is to be installed |
| 20:00.55 | techouse | :P |
| 20:01.10 | nvz | I don't know when the industry will ever learn vendor certified, certifies nothing but how little you really know and how happy you are knowing so little |
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| 20:01.26 | \amethyst | techouse: then it looks like you'll need to build emerald from the source package |
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| 20:01.39 | techouse | omg |
| 20:01.51 | techouse | spare me the pain :P |
| 20:01.57 | \amethyst | techouse: it's not hard |
| 20:02.07 | h3sp4wn | nvz: The only mean anything if they are difficult to get |
| 20:02.09 | \amethyst | techouse: assuming you have a source entry for that repository: |
| 20:02.15 | \amethyst | !simple sid backport |
| 20:02.16 | dpkg | First: See if the package has already been backported. Ask me about <backports>. If it hasn't, 1) Add a deb-src line for sid to your sources.list. 2) apt-get update 3) apt-get build-dep packagename;apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resultant debs. |
| 20:02.27 | techouse | nope...just deb no drb-src :D |
| 20:02.41 | \amethyst | techouse: so add one |
| 20:02.50 | \amethyst | techouse: or are they distributing software without source? |
| 20:02.54 | nvz | I got into an argument at radioshack with a kid recently who worked there who had 7 certs and insisted I buy a USB cable cause the 1/3rd the cost Ethernet Crossover I wanted wasn't gonna work between MSW XP and Vista.. I was like whatever dude, that's what your brian-washing vendors want you to think.. |
| 20:03.01 | \amethyst | if so, they might need to be GPL-smacked |
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| 20:03.06 | techouse | seems so |
| 20:03.17 | TheViral | ok, so I broke my gnome |
| 20:03.25 | TheViral | I was doing apt-get stuff... |
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| 20:03.33 | TheViral | and it said oe was held back |
| 20:03.34 | amphi | kamathln: no way debian will run on my ericsson t39m ;) |
| 20:03.41 | nvz | he actually told me he would know cause he's got 7 certs, and I said so do I, and he says no you don't.. which that was the one thing he was right about.. I bought the cable I wanted and it worked fine |
| 20:03.45 | TheViral | so I apt-get installed it and it broke my gnome |
| 20:03.47 | dacs | just a general question, if i am remotly connected to my debian box can i connect to my xp box thu the debian box |
| 20:04.03 | TheViral | how can I run gnome again? |
| 20:04.03 | kamathln | amphi: googling for "ericsson t39m" |
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| 20:04.21 | techouse | \amethyst: http://shame.tuxfamily.org/repo/?cat=11 |
| 20:04.37 | nvz | h3sp4wn: they don't mean jack to me. I've showed up every certified tech I |
| 20:04.41 | nvz | I've ever met |
| 20:04.47 | nvz | cause they cant think outside the box |
| 20:05.10 | nvz | they believe the shit they learned like its the whole picture and there is nothing outside that |
| 20:05.12 | \amethyst | techouse: you might want to contact the packager "shame" and mention the dependency problem |
| 20:05.17 | h3sp4wn | nvz: I think that is untrue - some people just pick up certs |
| 20:05.27 | \amethyst | techouse: that person should be able to build a new version, or at least give you the source packages |
| 20:05.34 | fengor | does anyone knows what reason -2 means when ipw2200 fails to laod the firmware? |
| 20:05.38 | cyzie | hi, i got this error "debian/rules:9: *** missing separator. Stop." when i issued the command, fakeroot debian/rules build anyone know what does it means? |
| 20:06.02 | amphi | kamathln: in all its glory, http://www.mobilmania.cz/Files/Obrazky/art19/EricssonT39m/24.jpg ;) |
| 20:06.04 | nvz | I mean sure XP and Vista have incompatible protocols, well guess what, who said I had to use their incompatible protocols to network them together? |
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| 20:06.05 | fengor | have been trying hte htings dpkg tells me under ipw2200 troubleshooting but i dont make any advances |
| 20:06.09 | \amethyst | techouse: wait, have you tried the sid repository there? |
| 20:06.13 | nvz | right, nobody |
| 20:06.15 | rking | cyzie: sounds like someone put spaces instead of tabs on the make rules |
| 20:06.25 | nvz | take your certification and shove it up your stupid ass :P |
| 20:06.25 | techouse | nope |
| 20:06.29 | techouse | will do now |
| 20:06.36 | amphi | kamathln: it may date from this millenium, just |
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| 20:06.50 | cyzie | rking, it should be tabs? |
| 20:06.59 | cyzie | rking it should be tabs on the rules? |
| 20:07.01 | \amethyst | techouse: unfortunately, some of the *other* dependencies might be too high for you if you use lenny |
| 20:07.37 | rking | cyzie: Makefiles require tabs, yep, and they give that distinctive error message when they are given spaces |
| 20:08.03 | cyzie | rking, ok, i have given it space though... mmm... didnt knwo the rules is that strict! ;) |
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| 20:08.10 | kamathln | amphi: oh! :-0 |
| 20:08.31 | techouse | \amethyst: it installs :D |
| 20:08.40 | techouse | party! |
| 20:08.51 | Ryan52 | fengor: I couldn;t get ipw2200 to work with debian so I had to put ubuntu on my laptop |
| 20:08.53 | \amethyst | techouse: you're using lenny? if so, you might encounter a problem next time that archive updates |
| 20:08.58 | rking | cyzie: yep, ASCII tabs are way more pain than they were ever worth. |
| 20:09.01 | TheViral | The following packages have unmet dependencies: gnome: Depends: gnome-desktop-envionment (= 1;2/14/3/6) but it is not going to be installed Depends: gdm-themes but it is not going to be installed E: Broken packages |
| 20:09.02 | kamathln | amphi: any idea what processor is inside? |
| 20:09.02 | amphi | kamathln: ;) |
| 20:09.16 | |DawnLight| | i have a debian router box doing NAT to my workstation box. is there an easy way to do port forwardings in the nat box? like a web interface similar to embedded routers configuration? |
| 20:09.23 | TheViral | I installed the gdm that showed up on my apt-get and now I cna't use gnome anymore |
| 20:09.23 | \amethyst | techouse: because the dependencies might change to versions that aren't in lenny |
| 20:09.27 | fengor | Ryan52: thanks but not the answer i was looking for. i'm kinda stubborn on this ;p |
| 20:09.34 | techouse | \amethyst: i use a lenny/sid bastard |
| 20:09.37 | TheViral | any idea how to fix it? |
| 20:09.38 | Ryan52 | fengor: I know |
| 20:09.41 | amphi | kamathln: no - a damn good phone for the time, ir, bt, modem, triband gsm, gprs |
| 20:09.41 | techouse | best choice for a desktop |
| 20:09.54 | amphi | kamathln: and small |
| 20:10.03 | \amethyst | techouse: I just use straight sid |
| 20:10.10 | techouse | \amethyst: mostly lenny with some sid |
| 20:10.47 | cyzie | rking, are you one of the deb dev? |
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| 20:11.03 | kamathln | amphi: yeah looks like from the google. but was still wondering .. |
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| 20:11.07 | TheViral | what does it mean when it says some packages are being held back? |
| 20:11.21 | techouse | brb gotta alt+ctrl+backspace |
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| 20:11.30 | kamathln | amphi: does it have a data port ? (most likely) |
| 20:11.38 | \amethyst | !held back |
| 20:11.38 | dpkg | hmm... kept back is when packages have not been upgraded even though newer versions are available. This happens if dependencies cannot be resolved, packages are on hold or you used "upgrade" not "dist-upgrade" and new packages need to be installed. To investigate, "apt-get -s install <kept-package>". Also see http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/69 |
| 20:11.56 | kamathln | amphi: to have so much stuff it surely has an advanced board huh ? |
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| 20:12.16 | techouse | \amethyst: works like a charm |
| 20:12.16 | techouse | :D |
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| 20:12.33 | TheViral | \amethyst: Ok, well I installed one and now my gnome is broken :D |
| 20:12.41 | mikefoo | Does debian have kickstart, or an equiv? im looking to clone a workstation on 20 others, what sthe best way to do this guys? |
| 20:12.46 | TheViral | \amethyst: Guessing that was the wrong move |
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| 20:13.10 | \amethyst | TheViral: yes, if it was held back, that's usually because it conflicts with something else |
| 20:13.17 | TheViral | \amethyst: How would I resolve this? apt-get -remove gdm? |
| 20:13.18 | \amethyst | and installing it will break or remove the something else :) |
| 20:13.20 | koolhead17 | hi am having prob in opening |
| 20:13.23 | koolhead17 | rar file |
| 20:13.35 | TheViral | \amethyst: Then apt-get install gnome? |
| 20:13.39 | koolhead17 | i took rar-free frm repo it`s not workin |
| 20:13.39 | \amethyst | TheViral: was that the package that had the problem? |
| 20:13.40 | koolhead17 | :( |
| 20:13.47 | TheViral | \amethyst: Apparently |
| 20:13.49 | \amethyst | TheViral: you're running lenny? |
| 20:13.49 | wols_ | koolhead17: install the unrar from non-free |
| 20:13.50 | techouse | koolhead: sudo apt-get install unrar |
| 20:13.55 | TheViral | \amethyst: Yeah |
| 20:13.59 | \amethyst | TheViral: try installing gnome |
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| 20:14.12 | TheViral | \amethyst: Just plain out apt-get install gnome? |
| 20:14.13 | \amethyst | TheViral: or whatever it was that got removed |
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| 20:14.35 | TheViral | \amethyst: I don't remember what got removed cause I restarted x |
| 20:14.44 | [Bart] | hi, I installed the kde4 experimental package and i don't like it. And I'm using kdm, how can I tell kdm to start kde3 iso kde4? |
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| 20:14.54 | TheViral | \amethyst: is there a history command? |
| 20:14.54 | koolhead17 | wolls_apt-cache showin no pkg details about unrar |
| 20:14.57 | \amethyst | TheViral: look at the end of /var/log/dpkg.log |
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| 20:15.48 | wols_ | !info unrar etch |
| 20:15.51 | dpkg | unrar: (Unarchiver for .rar files (non-free version)), section non-free/utils, is optional. Version: 1:3.5.4-1 (etch), Packaged size: 89 kB, Installed size: 224 kB |
| 20:15.55 | TheViral | \amethyst: gnome-core gnome-session |
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| 20:16.48 | koolhead17 | l# apt-cache search unrar |
| 20:16.49 | koolhead17 | comix - GTK Comic Book Viewer |
| 20:16.49 | koolhead17 | unrar-free - Unarchiver for .rar files |
| 20:17.26 | koolhead17 | dpkg: this is wt am gettin |
| 20:17.26 | dpkg | koolhead17: what are you talking about? |
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| 20:18.09 | TheViral | dpkg: You're a monster! |
| 20:18.17 | techouse | \amethyst: thank you! |
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| 20:18.35 | TheViral | oh sure it never talks back to me :P |
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| 20:20.56 | jrabbit | gnome is achy-breaky |
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| 20:22.55 | koolhead17 | wols_: can u give me the url for non-free.i will add it in my sources.list file |
| 20:23.03 | koolhead17 | ? |
| 20:23.36 | jrabbit | hahaha |
| 20:23.48 | jrabbit | Gnome-session breaks gdm |
| 20:23.52 | jrabbit | <_> |
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| 20:24.25 | koolhead17 | jrabbit: even am facin it |
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| 20:26.14 | jrabbit | ugh |
| 20:26.32 | jrabbit | My wifi usb atmel at76- doesn't play nice |
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| 20:27.00 | jrabbit | XD |
| 20:27.04 | mikefoo | Does debian have kickstart, or an equiv? im looking to clone a workstation on 20 others, what sthe best way to do this guys? |
| 20:27.15 | jrabbit | DD? |
| 20:27.31 | mikefoo | jrabbit: for me to use DD? |
| 20:27.38 | jrabbit | Yeah. |
| 20:27.48 | mikefoo | you want me open up 20+ workstations and tak out the drives to DD? |
| 20:27.53 | jrabbit | It might work out I don't know whta features kickstart has |
| 20:28.03 | jrabbit | :\ |
| 20:28.06 | mikefoo | lol |
| 20:28.06 | zelda` | lol |
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| 20:28.27 | jrabbit | W/e works. |
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| 20:28.43 | mikefoo | yeah, that basically doesn't work, in my eyes, hah |
| 20:28.46 | jorgp | where should I go to use nvidia drivers for lenny? |
| 20:28.50 | wols_ | mikefoo: fai |
| 20:28.51 | cahoot | !fai |
| 20:28.51 | dpkg | an automated installation tool to install or deploy Debian GNU/Linux and other distributions on a bunch of different hosts or a Cluster. It's more flexible than other tools like kickstart for Red Hat, autoyast and alice for SuSE or Jumpstart for SUN Solaris. FAI can also be used for configuration management of a running system. channel: #fai site: http://www.informatik.uni-koeln.de/fai/ |
| 20:28.51 | wols_ | !fai |
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| 20:29.10 | jrabbit | lol |
| 20:29.10 | zelda` | lol |
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| 20:29.52 | cahoot | zelda`: whats' the point? |
| 20:30.10 | zelda` | it's cool |
| 20:30.18 | zelda` | now i don't have to type lol so much |
| 20:30.24 | cahoot | !lol |
| 20:30.24 | dpkg | If you want to laugh, use heh or hah or bwahahaha. lol doesn't sound like laughter at all and makes you look like an AOL user. |
| 20:30.25 | zelda` | lol |
| 20:30.27 | Ronin | zelda`: why type it at all? |
| 20:30.48 | Ronin | zelda`: that an auto response? quick way to get kicked out actually if it is |
| 20:30.56 | wols_ | Ronin: he likes to annoy #debian already with his enter misuse. what do you expect |
| 20:30.59 | jrabbit | qllqtm |
| 20:31.05 | Ronin | wols_: good point |
| 20:31.06 | jrabbit | *qltm |
| 20:31.08 | zelda` | AOL sucks WLM pwns |
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| 20:31.51 | jrabbit | omfg |
| 20:31.54 | wols_ | please die elsewhere. do you have an idea what it costs to send for the undertaker? |
| 20:32.09 | elmo40 | by the pound! |
| 20:32.13 | jrabbit | I rember whyi switched to kde |
| 20:32.15 | jrabbit | XD |
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| 20:32.27 | elmo40 | jrabbit: have you tried KDE4 ? |
| 20:32.28 | Ronin | jrabbit: go die in the neighbors yard please, then its thier problem and not mine |
| 20:32.32 | jrabbit | Base packages that don't uninstall each other |
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| 20:32.47 | jrabbit | Gnome removes GDM |
| 20:32.48 | zelda` | pidgin sucks but it's all ubuntu has -.- |
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| 20:33.09 | jrabbit | theres amsn if your a huge QT fag |
| 20:33.11 | simonrvn | ubuntu is off-topic here |
| 20:33.15 | elmo40 | zelda`: for irc? It doesnt carry irssi? |
| 20:33.23 | zelda` | for IM |
| 20:33.25 | simonrvn | !tell jrabbit -about gay |
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| 20:33.29 | zelda` | pidgin sucks for IM |
| 20:33.36 | elmo40 | jrabbit: aMSN works like a charm! Even video is functional. |
| 20:33.48 | jrabbit | Yes but I hate QT |
| 20:33.50 | jrabbit | :D |
| 20:33.51 | Ronin | zelda`: go play elsewhere please |
| 20:33.55 | cahoot | seems to be an authority on sucking |
| 20:34.07 | Airbottl1 | what exactly sucks at pidgin zelda`? |
| 20:34.21 | zelda` | I go to IM on pidgin, it's only IM |
| 20:34.23 | gamag | hi |
| 20:34.34 | chops | Airbottl1: www.donotfeedtheenergybeast.com |
| 20:34.34 | zelda` | there should be a windows live messenger for linux |
| 20:34.35 | bkruse | someone helped me in here awhile ago, where do I specify the interfaces for dhcpd.conf? |
| 20:34.39 | bkruse | (using dhcpd3, sid) |
| 20:34.43 | jrabbit | libpurple's AV is far from done |
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| 20:36.39 | Airbottl1 | hehe chops |
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| 20:36.55 | zelda` | wtf, I'm finally 80% done downloading debian and I run out of disk space |
| 20:37.25 | Ronin | zelda`: you dont have room on your drive for a mini cd? |
| 20:37.30 | Guerin | zelda`: what is this `downloading debian' of which you speak? |
| 20:37.36 | zelda` | the full CD |
| 20:37.40 | zelda` | >:( |
| 20:37.42 | jrabbit | Ubuntu -> Debian? |
| 20:37.53 | jrabbit | just swap sources.list |
| 20:37.58 | jrabbit | distupdgrade |
| 20:37.59 | chops | jrabbit: no |
| 20:38.01 | jrabbit | and prey |
| 20:38.03 | jrabbit | *a |
| 20:38.03 | Guerin | jrabbit: your question no verb. |
| 20:38.05 | fengor | that willprobably break the system jrabbit |
| 20:38.12 | Ronin | jrabbit: most likely break the system |
| 20:38.18 | Guerin | and no, that's the sort of thing which will get you shunned both here and in #ubuntu |
| 20:38.23 | jrabbit | :( |
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| 20:38.44 | Ronin | jrabbit: 1. back up what you want to save 2. dl and burn the netinstall cd 3. put cd in drive and reboot |
| 20:38.44 | jrabbit | Pray harder? Or switch gods. |
| 20:38.53 | grendal_prime | !ubuntu |
| 20:38.53 | dpkg | Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu (irc.freenode.net) instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. |
| 20:38.55 | Ronin | badda boom badda bing debian is installed |
| 20:39.04 | Guerin | jrabbit: computers is not religion. It's science. |
| 20:39.06 | grendal_prime | where did the funny one go... |
| 20:39.16 | jrabbit | <_< |
| 20:39.22 | jrabbit | I'm obviously kidding |
| 20:39.26 | grendal_prime | the one about the african word for ubuntu |
| 20:39.31 | wols_ | Guerin: you've never been in a forum when a windows (or linux) exploit was announced |
| 20:39.32 | zelda` | my HDD is 14 GB, it's not small |
| 20:39.33 | cahoot | Guerin: that's oversimplifying |
| 20:39.35 | jrabbit | Don't shit on your bios chip. |
| 20:39.38 | cyberfr0g | sup? |
| 20:39.44 | Ronin | yes zelda` 14 gb is small |
| 20:39.50 | grendal_prime | !dpkg ubuntu |
| 20:39.50 | Guerin | sure I have |
| 20:39.56 | Guerin | even scientists are stupid at times |
| 20:40.05 | grendal_prime | !ubuntu |
| 20:40.05 | dpkg | Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu (irc.freenode.net) instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. |
| 20:40.08 | grendal_prime | hmm |
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| 20:40.14 | Hoxzer | zelda`: Well, sometimes when we say something isn't small we're just trying to hide the true size... You know what I mean ? |
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| 20:40.50 | VincentC | ok i worked through the following tutorial to enable chrooted ssh accounts for my classmates: http://www.howtoforge.com/chroot_ssh_sftp_debian_etch |
| 20:41.10 | VincentC | but now i'd like to add some applications for them to use like svn |
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| 20:41.47 | VincentC | so i went to the script ~40% down the page and added /usr/bin/svn to the "APPS" line |
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| 20:42.04 | VincentC | and it doesn't seem to be working and i'm not sure what i've done wrong |
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| 20:42.29 | VincentC | do i need to copy the appropriate libraries as well? |
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| 20:42.36 | sdahdkasd | hi people |
| 20:42.41 | sdahdkasd | this script is correct? |
| 20:42.43 | sdahdkasd | http://rafb.net/p/aocGyJ50.html |
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| 20:43.13 | cyzie | dpkg-gencontrol: error: syntax error in control file debian/control at line 8: line with unknown format (not field-colon-value) // what does this means, anyone familiar? |
| 20:43.13 | kickback | how can i tell what packages are install from the command line |
| 20:43.21 | cyberfr0g | unsure |
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| 20:43.33 | wols_ | kickback: dpkg -l |grep ^ii |
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| 20:43.38 | white_eagle | !help > white_eagle |
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| 20:43.47 | white_eagle | lolz |
| 20:43.49 | maxo | hi |
| 20:43.55 | elmo40 | wols_: what does ^ii do? |
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| 20:44.07 | fengor | all lines beginning with ii |
| 20:44.11 | wols_ | selects lines staring with ii |
| 20:44.19 | maxo | is there a way I can change /var/mail/myusername so that other users can also access my mailbox? |
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| 20:44.37 | elmo40 | but why ii ? |
| 20:44.38 | wols_ | maxo: why? |
| 20:44.53 | wols_ | elmo40: cause only those are installed |
| 20:45.09 | maxo | elmo40, wols_: I need a local mailbox to be able to be read by a php script, and the user is www-data |
| 20:45.22 | maxo | * I mean the user www-data needs to be able to access a different user's mailbox |
| 20:45.27 | \amethyst | elmo40: "marked to be installed" and "installed" |
| 20:45.37 | dondelelcaro | maxo: why not have the script use imap to use the different user's mailbox? |
| 20:45.44 | elmo40 | thanks for clearing that up. |
| 20:45.59 | \amethyst | maxo: or use suphp to run the script as the correct user |
| 20:46.17 | elmo40 | maxo: then you should take your inbox and output it to a common location. You dont want everyone to be able to edit the inbox, do you? Only read? |
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| 20:46.36 | TheViral | ok, I have my gnome up and running again |
| 20:46.38 | maxo | does an IMAP server need to be installed though? or would it be able to read the mailbox? |
| 20:46.43 | maxo | elmo40: yes, only read |
| 20:46.45 | TheViral | hwo do I enable the login screen? |
| 20:46.52 | TheViral | I'm stuck starting up in the terminal |
| 20:46.59 | maxo | I change the permissions on it so that others can read it, but when a new message is received, it changes the permissions back |
| 20:47.11 | wols_ | TheViral: /etc/init.d/gdm start for example |
| 20:47.51 | TheViral | waht does that do exactly, do I run it? or do I edit it? |
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| 20:48.19 | wols_ | it starts gdm if that is you display manager |
| 20:48.36 | maxo | \amethyst: the other problem is I'm not the administrator of the box, so I have to work with what I'm given. So I wouldn't be able to install an apache module like suphp |
| 20:48.48 | TheViral | wols_: i'm in gnome right now... |
| 20:48.53 | \amethyst | maxo: does the system have ACL support? |
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| 20:49.21 | maxo | \amethyst: I'm not sure, how can I check? I'm logged in through ssh right now |
| 20:49.30 | wols_ | TheViral: is gdm installed? |
| 20:49.45 | TheViral | wols_: hwo do I know, last time I tried to install it it crashed my gnome |
| 20:50.22 | \amethyst | maxo: try setfacl -m u:www-data:r-- mailboxfile |
| 20:50.44 | \amethyst | maxo: if it works, that will make www-data be able to read mailboxfile without granting extra permissions to anyone else |
| 20:50.46 | wols_ | TheViral: dpkg -l|grep gdm |
| 20:51.18 | TheViral | rc gdm 2.20.2-1 GNOME Display Manager |
| 20:51.34 | TheViral | I think that version is too new for lenny or something |
| 20:52.28 | sdahdkasd | http://rafb.net/p/aocGyJ50.html |
| 20:52.31 | sdahdkasd | this script is correct? |
| 20:52.57 | wols_ | TheViral: not installed then. and gnome 2.20 seems to be rather new |
| 20:53.00 | wols_ | !info gdm lenny |
| 20:53.03 | dpkg | gdm: (GNOME Display Manager), section gnome, is optional. Version: 2.20.2-1 (lenny), Packaged size: 4514 kB, Installed size: 15716 kB |
| 20:53.10 | \amethyst | sdahdkasd: switch the order |
| 20:53.17 | wols_ | TheViral: snapshot.debian.org and get a version like your gnome |
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| 20:53.39 | wols_ | Agiofws: OT |
| 20:53.41 | Guerin | Aub: don't spam this channel. |
| 20:53.44 | Guerin | argh |
| 20:53.53 | Aub | me? :'( |
| 20:53.56 | Agiofws | wols_, ? |
| 20:54.25 | Guerin | Agiofws: two things: 1. you're preaching to the converted; 2. internet petitions are as valuable as recuycled toilet paper |
| 20:54.26 | TheViral | wols_: Is that site down? |
| 20:54.29 | \amethyst | sdahdkasd: otherwise, because any packet that matches the second rule also matches the first, it will be dropped before it has a chance to be accepted |
| 20:54.31 | Guerin | and that's only once you print them out |
| 20:54.37 | Agiofws | Ronin, why not its a form of resistance .... no ? |
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| 20:54.42 | Guerin | Aub: sorry, you're collateral damage |
| 20:54.49 | Ronin | Agiofws: nope, online petitions are like Guerin said |
| 20:54.51 | Agiofws | lol |
| 20:54.52 | Guerin | Agiofws: no.\ |
| 20:54.57 | Aub | np :) |
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| 20:55.09 | wols_ | TheViral: snapshot.debian.net. mea culpa |
| 20:55.14 | Agiofws | ok ... |
| 20:55.16 | Guerin | if you want to kill ooxml, support the eff |
| 20:55.41 | Agiofws | just thought it could me helpful |
| 20:55.51 | Agiofws | eef? |
| 20:56.28 | Guerin | electronic frontier foundation |
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| 20:56.45 | Guerin | now go read about how Larry Lessig is one of the heroes of our time |
| 20:57.15 | wols_ | Guerin: like DOn Quijote? |
| 20:57.59 | TheViral | wols_: How do I know which version I should get? |
| 20:58.36 | wols_ | TheViral: dpkg -l gnome-core. what version is this? |
| 20:58.53 | Guerin | wols_: his critics might say so. |
| 20:59.17 | TheViral | wols_: 2.14.3.6 |
| 20:59.25 | biopyte | hi.i have a problem with sound on my laptop. first it didnt work. then i applied a patch for lenny on t61 from thinkwiki. still didnt work. then run 'alsaconf'. works now. but no way controlling the volume. its at maximum. neither the hardware button nor the gnome volume panel works. any idea? |
| 20:59.28 | wols_ | TheViral: so get the 2.14 of gdm |
| 21:00.05 | cyzie | dpkg-gencontrol: error: syntax error in control file debian/control at line 8: line with unknown format (not field-colon-value) // what does this means, anyone familiar? |
| 21:00.06 | cahoot | biopyte: tried alsamixer too? |
| 21:00.31 | TheViral | apt-get install gdm=2.14.5-1 ??? |
| 21:00.35 | TheViral | wols_: apt-get install gdm=2.14.5-1 ??? |
| 21:00.45 | biopyte | cahoot. no. only the sound preferences in gnome. good idea. i'll try. |
| 21:01.42 | r-wolf | how do I tune samba at debian to be able to access shared resources from windows box? by default it asks user/password and doesn't let me in. |
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| 21:01.59 | cahoot | biopyte: btw alsa 1.0.15 made my t61 sound work as expected |
| 21:02.07 | maxo | \amethyst: no, it seems ACL isn't installed, there is no setfacl executable |
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| 21:02.21 | TheViral | wols_: Whoops, disconected |
| 21:02.31 | TheViral | wols_: Was that the right command? |
| 21:02.47 | biopyte | cahoot. didnt check my alsa-version. 1.0.15 probably is sid? |
| 21:03.05 | maxo | \amethyst: do you have any other suggestions? |
| 21:03.15 | TheViral | apt-get install gdm=2.14.5-1 |
| 21:03.37 | TheViral | ? |
| 21:03.44 | TheViral | wols_: Says version was not found |
| 21:04.23 | biopyte | cahoot: opened the gnome-alsamixer. doesnt give me really a clue. whats your suggestion to do? |
| 21:04.48 | maxo | TheViral: apt-cache search gdm - install the gdm listed there |
| 21:04.57 | cahoot | biopyte: see if updating alsa with m-a helps |
| 21:05.07 | wols_ | TheViral: since you don't have the repo needed in your sources.list: no |
| 21:05.45 | TheViral | maxo: It just says gdm, last time I installed that it messed up my gnome :D and then my login became fried |
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| 21:06.10 | TheViral | wols_: Shouldn't it find me the current version for lenny? |
| 21:06.14 | cahoot | biopyte: I just used the src from alsa-project.org and installed but that's nothing to recommend in public here |
| 21:07.06 | wols_ | of cours. and that is 2.20 |
| 21:08.14 | TheViral | Recommended packages: gdm-themes xserver-xephyr xnest The following packages will be REMOVED: gnome-core gnome-session The following NEW packages will be installed: gdm 0 upgraded, 1 newly installed, 2 to remove and 0 not upgraded. |
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| 21:08.39 | TheViral | wols_: Should it be removing my gnome core and session? |
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| 21:09.10 | biopyte | cahoot. thats a little bit weired here. actually the volume control controls the microphone but not the speakers as i found out. |
| 21:09.12 | wols_ | TheViral: you should do a proper upgrade to lenny |
| 21:09.31 | TheViral | what do you mean proper, I thought I did that already once before |
| 21:09.35 | cahoot | biopyte: use the real plain alsamixer |
| 21:10.24 | wols_ | seems gnome-core is 2.4.14 in lenny but gnome-session is 2.18 |
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| 21:10.50 | biopyte | ok |
| 21:11.02 | TheViral | wols_: So what does that mean for me, they are non-maching versions? |
| 21:11.11 | TheViral | wols_: Matching* |
| 21:11.50 | wols_ | don't know. apparently it wokrs, whyever it does |
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| 21:12.57 | TheViral | my gnome core is 2.14.3.6 and my gnome session is... |
| 21:13.09 | TheViral | 2.18.3-1 |
| 21:13.40 | smokie | hi all, anyone had experience with linux-abi and ubuntu or debian, is there a chance to find pre-compilled modules (binfmt_coff module)??? |
| 21:13.51 | TheViral | wols_: So how do I get my login screen back? It's stuck going to the text based login |
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| 21:14.31 | TheViral | wols_: And how do I properly upgrade to lenny..if mine isn't proper? |
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| 21:14.51 | chops | smokie: With Debian your best bet is probably to use kernel-package to compile a modified kernel with that module compiled in |
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| 21:15.00 | inSanity_909 | hi ppl |
| 21:15.03 | sparr | I want to simulate a click on particular buttons in an application when my screensaver starts and stops. Is there a good way to do that? |
| 21:15.26 | wols_ | TheViral: I was mistaken. seems it's proper, sorry |
| 21:15.43 | TheViral | wols_: oh ok haha...yay :) |
| 21:15.43 | biopyte | cahoot: using the plain alsamixer now. speaker is off (strange). how can i turn it on? |
| 21:15.47 | inSanity_909 | can anyone give me a clue how to create a Xen Centos5 guest image on a debian Xen server? |
| 21:15.49 | wols_ | TheViral: I told you what to install. some vesion of gdm between 2.14 and 2.18 and I told you where to get it too |
| 21:15.54 | smokie | thank you chops, do you have any tutorial link on how to achieve this . |
| 21:16.04 | chops | !tell smokie about kernel-package |
| 21:16.09 | cahoot | biopyte: no speaker option at the rightmost end? |
| 21:16.18 | biopyte | yes |
| 21:16.23 | biopyte | but now do what |
| 21:16.24 | TheViral | wols_: Oh so GDM is the login screen? Don't you get to choose KDE at the login too though? |
| 21:16.34 | cahoot | mm or 00? |
| 21:16.42 | biopyte | yes, there is a speaker option |
| 21:16.51 | wols_ | TheViral: you can |
| 21:17.01 | biopyte | but cant manipulate it |
| 21:17.03 | wols_ | and you can use kdm or xdm ow wdm, etc |
| 21:17.05 | TheViral | wols_: it's weird that it would ask me to remove my gnome |
| 21:17.06 | cahoot | biopyte: mute headset and unmute speaker |
| 21:17.22 | wols_ | TheViral: what does? and gnome is only a meta package. no harm in removing it |
| 21:17.31 | cahoot | biopyte: m does nothing? |
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| 21:17.55 | TheViral | wols_: When I go to install gdm it asks me to remove gnome-core and gnome-session |
| 21:18.12 | wols_ | which gdm version? |
| 21:18.48 | TheViral | how do I check what the version is that I might install |
| 21:18.49 | biopyte | ok. m -> '00'. shame on me. i should read the manpage. but maybe we can go quickly togehter through this. :-) |
| 21:18.57 | TheViral | wols_: ^^ |
| 21:19.07 | wols_ | apt-cache show <package> |
| 21:19.18 | biopyte | cahoot: speaker is now '00'. now what? |
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| 21:19.41 | TheViral | wols_: Version: 2.20.2-1 |
| 21:19.45 | cahoot | biopyte: still not able to unmute speaker? |
| 21:20.03 | wols_ | I give up,I fscking told you what to install and from where! |
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| 21:20.28 | wols_ | TheViral: come back on sunday, then you have company. good bye |
| 21:20.39 | biopyte | cahoot: speaker is not 'off' anymore, but i cant manipulate the gain. its at zero level. |
| 21:20.59 | cahoot | biopyte: see if updating alsa with m-a helps |
| 21:21.09 | TheViral | wols_: :\ I tried to follow the directions at the top of the page you gave me but it said the version didn't exist |
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| 21:21.52 | biopyte | ok |
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| 21:22.19 | Sebo | where are default system user home dir location?? (system user==I meen postgres for instance ;] ) |
| 21:22.35 | wols_ | Sebo: check /etc/passwd. it will tell you |
| 21:22.42 | wols_ | some role accounts have no ~ |
| 21:23.33 | Sebo | wols_: yep but I've got no acces to the shell now and i need to write some script ;] |
| 21:23.51 | Minnozz | Hi, I need help: I'm trying to set up PAN with bluetooth (for internet on my phone), I followed a guide, and I am so far that the interface 'bnep0' shows up when I try to access the internet from my phone: http://paster.dazjorz.com/?p=1831 . But it still doesn't work, I can't access the internet |
| 21:24.55 | Minnozz | I think there is a problem with the packet routing or something, can anybody help me/ |
| 21:25.55 | chops | Sebo: What are you trying to do exactly? |
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| 21:26.44 | Sebo | I'm writting some deamon and I'd like to asc where to put its default dir;] |
| 21:26.51 | biopyte | cahoot: any idea why that gnome panel is muting the mic and not the speakers and how i can change that? |
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| 21:27.15 | Sebo | to make it compatible with otheh ones ;] |
| 21:27.21 | chops | Sebo: You're writing a daemon but you don't have access to a shell? |
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| 21:27.39 | Guerin | fail |
| 21:27.45 | Sebo | I'll have but not now ;] |
| 21:27.58 | streuner | !hakadance Guerin |
| 21:27.59 | ziyax | Hi, i wanna know how can i upgrade my kernel from 2.4 to 2.6 , its remote machine i tried dist-upgrade but it could not upgrade kernel |
| 21:28.12 | cyzie | how to list the content of a deb package? |
| 21:28.25 | streuner | cyzie: man dpkg |
| 21:28.40 | chops | Sebo: A common choice is /var/run/sshd (or whatever the daemon is), but there's not really a hard and fast standard. |
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| 21:28.54 | streuner | ziyax: read debian-administration article first |
| 21:29.03 | chops | ziyax: What are you upgrading from and to? What happens when you try to upgrade the kernel? |
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| 21:29.26 | Sebo | thx |
| 21:29.29 | maxo | is it possible to specify the password when running a program through su, eg. su someuser <somethingherespecifyingpassword> -c somecommand ? |
| 21:29.49 | dondelelcaro | maxo: you don't ever want to specify any password on the command line. |
| 21:30.17 | ziyax | chops: well its fresh machine they installed from CD but its kernel 2.4 when i try to dist-upgrade it gives me such error "use this cmd bla bla apt-get install -t etch linux-image-2.6" |
| 21:30.57 | chops | ziyax: What are you upgrading from and to, again? What Debian versions? And what is the error (not "bla bla", please)? |
| 21:31.16 | ziyax | its Etch i just used aptitude dist-upgrade |
| 21:31.27 | chops | ziyax: And what are you upgrading to? |
| 21:31.38 | ziyax | i'm upgrading system |
| 21:31.45 | ziyax | not specific program |
| 21:32.11 | chops | ziyax: What version of Debian are you upgrading to? I understand that you are using 'aptitude dist-upgrade' to perform the upgrade, thanks. |
| 21:32.42 | chops | ziyax: Not to mention, again, what is the exact error? |
| 21:32.44 | ziyax | chops: Well they said they installed Etch, i checked sources.list yes its Etch and i wanna get 2.6 kernel |
| 21:33.34 | ziyax | chops: and when i used install linux-image-2.6 i get "E: Package linux-image-2.6 has no installation candidate" |
| 21:33.39 | chops | ziyax: If they installed etch, you wouldn't have a 2.4 kernel. etch doesn't have a 2.4 kernel. |
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| 21:34.16 | ziyax | chops: ah i found out now sorry i'm sleepless |
| 21:34.32 | chops | ziyax: You need to specify a specific kernel; e.g. linux-image-2.6-686 |
| 21:34.40 | ziyax | chops: yea ^^ i see it now |
| 21:34.43 | ziyax | chops: ty :) |
| 21:34.54 | chops | ziyax: np |
| 21:34.57 | cyzie | streuner, dpkg-deb -c <package>.deb |
| 21:35.04 | ziyax | chops: well i dunno they said they installed etch and it has 2.4 kernel |
| 21:35.10 | chops | ziyax: They lied, sorry. |
| 21:35.24 | xand | !why is videolan not in testing |
| 21:35.24 | dpkg | videolan is not in testing for the reasons listed in http://bjorn.haxx.se/debian/testing.pl?package=videolan |
| 21:35.28 | ziyax | chops: yea i know eheh well they are not good but cheap |
| 21:35.36 | chops | ziyax: They may have failed to fully perform an upgrade from an earlier Debian release, in which case you might be in for some further difficulties |
| 21:35.57 | ziyax | chops: i think its sarge or something older |
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| 21:36.21 | karrotx | hmm |
| 21:36.25 | ziyax | chops: it was windows server for ultima online shard but we closed ultima so i switched to debby on that machine too |
| 21:36.39 | xand | hmm |
| 21:36.48 | xand | will sarge's vlc work in etch? |
| 21:36.51 | xand | erm |
| 21:36.54 | xand | I mean etch's in lenny |
| 21:36.59 | Guerin | xand: likely not |
| 21:37.08 | xand | grumble |
| 21:37.09 | Guerin | you would want to BTFS |
| 21:37.22 | xand | ? |
| 21:37.28 | Guerin | build the fucking source |
| 21:37.39 | xand | I see, was going to see about that |
| 21:37.45 | xand | am lazy though |
| 21:37.48 | Guerin | (the f is in there because building is always a pain in the arse) |
| 21:38.30 | ziyax | chops: btw do u suggest using bigmem kernel for 2gb ddr2 system? |
| 21:38.42 | \amethyst | ziyax: etch? then no, you don't need bigmem |
| 21:38.48 | \amethyst | bigmem is for >3GB or so |
| 21:38.57 | ziyax | \amethyst: hm ok ty |
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| 21:39.12 | \amethyst | "highmem" is the >1GB thing, and it's enabled by default in etch kernels |
| 21:41.56 | chops | ziyax: bigmem shouldn't be necessary for 2 GB |
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| 21:42.33 | chops | ziyax: (Is bigmem still necessary at all? I have some vague impression that the standard kernel switched to being able to handle all your memory without special options anyway... I could be wrong.) |
| 21:42.48 | \amethyst | chops: bigmem is for PAE |
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| 21:43.52 | \amethyst | chops: up to 64GB on i386 |
| 21:44.05 | chops | \amethyst: Ah, I see. Yeah, I was thinking of the old kernel option that was necessary for machines with 1-4 GB of RAM (again IIRC). Thanks. |
| 21:44.31 | \amethyst | (well, you're not going to get 64GB on a literal i386, but ...) |
| 21:44.39 | chops | \amethyst: nod |
| 21:45.03 | elmo40 | \amethyst: if i read your messages correctly, if I have 4Gb RAM with 32-bit, i should use bigmem? |
| 21:45.27 | \amethyst | elmo40: Actually, I'm not sure. I *think* if you use the normal kernel you'll only see 3GB, but I might be wrong |
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| 21:45.47 | elmo40 | what about 64-bit? Is it different then? |
| 21:45.59 | Guerin | 64-bit does more ram than you can afford |
| 21:46.02 | Guerin | by default |
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| 21:46.07 | \amethyst | elmo40: you don't need anything special to use lots of memory on a 64-bit system |
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| 21:46.18 | chops | \amethyst: I sometimes wonder if some of the stranger kernel packages ever get any testing at all... is anyone really running xen on a MIPS machine? Would anyone notice if all the files were missing? |
| 21:46.21 | Guerin | in fact, that's more or less the only point of 64-bit |
| 21:46.45 | \amethyst | amd64 arch has other improvements besides that |
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| 21:46.50 | \amethyst | more registers, for instance |
| 21:46.52 | elmo40 | Guerin: RAM is 'cheap' these days... ;) |
| 21:47.02 | chops | elmo40: FWIW, I believe that a 4GB machine should be fine on a standard kernel, but I could be wrong. |
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| 21:47.15 | jelly-home | elmo40: yes, with i386 you need bigmem to be able to use all of 4GB |
| 21:47.15 | Guerin | elmo40: but not yet THAT cheap ;) |
| 21:47.27 | jelly-home | chops: "3.8GB" |
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| 21:47.47 | elmo40 | not that big of an issue! Only ~200Mb gets 'lost' ? |
| 21:48.18 | jelly-home | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:48.18 | jelly-home | Mem: 3367200 2856996 510204 0 12672 2364352 |
| 21:48.31 | chops | elmo40: That's 200 megs worse than 0Mb... |
| 21:48.35 | jelly-home | sorry, that's more like 3.3GB |
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| 21:48.43 | biopyte | cahoot: volume control works now via the keyboard. thanks for help. |
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| 21:49.19 | elmo40 | chops: true... but i was comparing it to the 3,800 Mb left! Very small ratio. |
| 21:49.24 | biopyte | gnome panel contols mic. maybe thats on purpose. |
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| 21:49.42 | h3sp4wn | elmo40: You can in my experience these days just use 64 bit kernel with a 32 bit userland (slightly more of a pain to compile some external kernel modules but that is it) |
| 21:49.46 | cp | anyone know a web vpn ? |
| 21:50.12 | elmo40 | h3sp4wn: not my favourite way to spend the afternoon... |
| 21:50.12 | elmo40 | ;) |
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| 21:51.11 | TheViral | jelly-home: if I try...apt-get install gdm=2.18.4-1 it should get that version if I'm on lenny right? |
| 21:51.12 | jpiccol1 | Hey guys I am having a raid problem, I made a new raid5, everything went smoothly. Then I tried simulating a drive failure, that worked fine also. But now I can't add the partition back to the raid. |
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| 21:51.56 | jpiccol1 | any ideas? |
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| 21:52.50 | h3sp4wn | elmo40: make-kpkg --arch=amd64 --cross-compile=- (problem solved) |
| 21:53.01 | jelly-home | TheViral: if it's available, yes. btw why ask me specifically? |
| 21:53.34 | TheViral | jelly-home: I dunno, wols got mad at me and you've helped me before haha. I'm jsut all confused in my mess here |
| 21:53.49 | Guerin | WOLS got mad? |
| 21:53.59 | Guerin | holy crap, that's a record |
| 21:54.08 | Guerin | the guy has the temperament of Mother Teresa |
| 21:54.18 | ziyax | haha |
| 21:54.23 | jelly-home | TheViral: Did you change the nick recently? I don't remember. ;-) |
| 21:54.39 | TheViral | jelly-home: It was Venom before but that name was taken :P |
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| 21:55.56 | jpiccol1 | ucsserver:/home/jpiccolo# /sbin/mdadm /dev/md0 -a /dev/sdc1 |
| 21:55.56 | jpiccol1 | mdadm: Cannot open /dev/sdc1: Device or resource busy |
| 21:56.14 | jpiccol1 | any ideas? |
| 21:56.19 | Guerin | !any ideas |
| 21:56.19 | dpkg | Yeah, I have an idea! But I'll need a box full of string, a little thermal paste, and a dozen three-legged oxen. And keep the NSA off my back for the next few hours! |
| 21:56.20 | jelly-home | !any ideas |
| 21:56.37 | jpiccol1 | nice trigger |
| 21:56.38 | biopyte | cahoot: different topic. how did you make wlan run on your t61. no details. just the basics where to start from. i cant see anything in the gnome system administration. |
| 21:56.59 | jelly-home | jpiccol1: is it already mounted or present in /proc/mdstat ? |
| 21:57.12 | jelly-home | jpiccol1: it ~ /dev/sdc1 |
| 21:57.38 | TheViral | dpkg: let's talk |
| 21:57.52 | TheViral | dpkg: Talk to me :D |
| 21:57.58 | TheViral | dpkg: Go robot gooo |
| 21:58.02 | jpiccol1 | jelly-home: yes its present in mdstat |
| 21:58.09 | bkruse | would vnc repeater be the way to go to have someone connect to a listening server, and allow someone to connect to them? |
| 21:58.13 | jelly-home | TheViral: /msg dpkg stuff |
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| 21:58.19 | Nyle | !botabuse |
| 21:58.19 | dpkg | lay off me you buggerererers!!11! |
| 21:58.28 | TheViral | hahaha |
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| 21:59.08 | jelly-home | jpiccol1: well, you can't add it again |
| 21:59.41 | TheViral | jelly-home: I was trying to manuall install GDM with the ./configure and make stuff but I get this message |
| 22:00.01 | jpiccol1 | jelly-home: well md0 is in mdstat, but sdc1 is not |
| 22:00.02 | jelly-home | TheViral: sorry, please ask the channel, not me. |
| 22:00.16 | jpiccol1 | jelly-home: md0 : active raid5 sdb1[0] sdd1[2] |
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| 22:00.24 | wols_ | just what the world needs: another MUA. pine died and along comes alpin 1.0 :( |
| 22:00.29 | ziyax | haha jelly-home u have special power i think :p |
| 22:00.34 | mrrcp | whats a good server base vpn |
| 22:00.35 | mrrcp | ? |
| 22:00.42 | chops | mrrcp: openvpn |
| 22:00.45 | TheViral | ok, well...I don't know how to fix this part here....when I do ./configurechecking for VICIOUS... configure: error: Package requirements (gtk+-2.0 >= 2.6.0 libglade-2.0 >= 1.99.2) were not met: No package 'gtk+-2.0' found No package 'libglade-2.0' found Consider adjusting the PKG_CONFIG_PATH environment variable if you installed software in a non-standard prefix. |
| 22:00.48 | jelly-home | jpiccol1: pastebin /proc/mdstat ... is there /dev/sdc1 somewhere in there or not? |
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| 22:01.23 | \amethyst | TheViral: you need the relevant development libraries |
| 22:01.28 | mrrcp | chops u use openvpn |
| 22:01.28 | mrrcp | ? |
| 22:01.35 | jpiccol1 | jelly-home: http://pastebin.com/m4822f3cc |
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| 22:01.41 | norton | I need to make a /boot partition to be able to boot. How small can I make the partition? |
| 22:01.42 | jelly-home | TheViral: 1. what's wrong with gdm from debian? 2. to build anything, you need -dev packages for appropriate libraries. |
| 22:01.46 | \amethyst | TheViral: Is there a reason you're compiling it by hand instead of using snapshot.debian.net ? |
| 22:01.49 | chops | mrrcp: I do |
| 22:01.55 | jpiccol1 | jelly-home: no sdc |
| 22:01.56 | \amethyst | jelly-home: he's having problems with version conflicts in lenny |
| 22:02.13 | mrrcp | chops i have it working and all but lets say i want my client to have internet access to my gateway |
| 22:02.19 | mrrcp | do i need to add a route? |
| 22:02.42 | TheViral | jelly-home, \amethyst: Well, I am at the site and I click and it downloads an archive and I extract that and I am following the instructions, is there another way? |
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| 22:03.32 | \amethyst | TheViral: what version do you want? 2.18.4-1 ? |
| 22:03.50 | TheViral | \amethyst: Yeah, I am pretty sure that is the newest version for testing |
| 22:03.56 | chops | mrrcp: You want the 'redirect-gateway' option then |
| 22:04.01 | \amethyst | no, that's not the newest version for testing |
| 22:04.04 | cyberfr0g | Hi |
| 22:04.24 | \amethyst | TheViral: 2.20.2-1 is the newest version for testing, but you said you had problems with that one |
| 22:04.24 | TheViral | \amethyst: Then what is? |
| 22:04.28 | paranoid1 | hello, how do I downgrade my samba? After upgrading testing I have 3.0.27-a1 and it is broken / buggy |
| 22:04.32 | cyberfr0g | out of interest |
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| 22:04.41 | mrrcp | hmm |
| 22:04.54 | TheViral | \amethyst: If that's the one that I tried ot isntall with GDM then yeah, it required things that weren't available I think |
| 22:05.08 | Tramp | !tell paranoid1 about downgrade |
| 22:05.09 | TheViral | \amethyst: And it removed my gnome-core and gnome-session |
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| 22:05.32 | Narayan2 | sup |
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| 22:05.39 | \amethyst | TheViral: http://snapshot.debian.net/cgi-bin/packages.cgi?package=gdm&details=details |
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| 22:05.53 | Narayan2 | anyone know what packages I need to get psybnc compiled on lenny? |
| 22:05.56 | \amethyst | TheViral: up at the top there are instructions |
| 22:06.03 | \amethyst | TheViral: two lines to add to your sources.list |
| 22:06.09 | TheViral | apt-get install gdm=version right? |
| 22:06.12 | TheViral | ph |
| 22:06.13 | TheViral | oh* |
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| 22:06.21 | \amethyst | TheViral: then you run apt-get install gdm=2.18.4-1 |
| 22:06.22 | TheViral | guess it's cause I'm missing those two lines haha |
| 22:06.26 | \amethyst | TheViral: that would be it :) |
| 22:06.41 | jelly-home | jpiccol1: well, you need to figure out what's keeping sdc1 busy... if it's not in any of /proc/mounts, /proc/swaps or /proc/mdstat, I don't know what would use it. |
| 22:07.02 | TheViral | \amethyst: So if I use those two lines, will it affect me getting updates and stuff? Will it be good or bad? |
| 22:07.13 | TheViral | \amethyst: Will this just give me more options for upgrading? |
| 22:08.07 | \amethyst | TheViral: it will give you more available versions for gdm and any packages built from the same source |
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| 22:09.03 | TheViral | \amethyst: Do I need to add lenny/updates main contrib non-free to these lines also? |
| 22:09.11 | \amethyst | TheViral: no |
| 22:09.19 | TheViral | \amethyst: Ok |
| 22:09.39 | Acxty | is Devede available for debian? |
| 22:09.44 | Acxty | etch |
| 22:10.00 | head____________ | Acxty: search on pdo |
| 22:10.00 | \amethyst | TheViral: note that if you do apt-get upgrade or apt-get install gdm (without the version), it will try to install the latest version |
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| 22:10.42 | Acxty | head____________, ??? |
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| 22:10.43 | \amethyst | TheViral: which, at some point in the future, will be too new for lenny |
| 22:11.03 | regis1 | is it possible to boot a debian without an initrd image with grub? |
| 22:11.18 | \amethyst | TheViral: so, once lenny's gnome-core and gnome-session have updated, try installing the version of gdm from lenny, and if that works remove the snapshot sources.list lines |
| 22:11.31 | TheViral | \amethyst: when it says recommended packages, are those kind of like...addons? More like bonus features? |
| 22:11.34 | TheViral | \amethyst: Ok |
| 22:11.36 | head____________ | Acxty: packages.debian.org |
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| 22:12.07 | TheViral | \amethyst: Would I have to apt-get install all of those? |
| 22:12.09 | \amethyst | TheViral: recommended packages are ones that you almost always want installed along with the package |
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| 22:12.18 | \amethyst | TheViral: but you don't necessarily *need* them |
| 22:12.33 | indes | I just did the whole update to unstable .. and uh, xorg isn't displaying _ANYTHING_ anymore.. lol |
| 22:12.35 | TheViral | \amethyst: Is there a command or an option to install them along with it? |
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| 22:12.40 | paranoid1 | is it possible to install stable branch version from samba on testing? ;P |
| 22:12.57 | indes | apparently the DISPLAY variable isn't there.. so I ran DISPLAY=":0" and alt+ctrl+F7'd back to x.. and nothing.. even tho xterm ran |
| 22:13.00 | \amethyst | TheViral: aptitude -r install packagename |
| 22:13.10 | indes | Are there any known issues with x.org in unstable? |
| 22:13.18 | head____________ | paranoid1: yes. make sure the dependencies of the stable samba work out on your testing libs |
| 22:13.25 | \amethyst | indes: have you tried restarting X? |
| 22:13.40 | indes | \amethyst; yes, and rebooting, and ldconf'ing. |
| 22:13.51 | paranoid1 | head____________: I'm assuming it doesn't install if depencies are not met, am I correct? |
| 22:13.54 | indes | tried changing xinitrc to just run xterm, not a wm |
| 22:14.03 | TheViral | so if I do apt-get install packagename, then I aptitude -r install package name to get the recommended ones? |
| 22:14.05 | \amethyst | indes: so when you say it displays nothing---black screen or something else? |
| 22:14.18 | indes | and x.org doesn't display anything at all .. the log has no errors that would prevent it from displaying... it displays the grey/black background with the X cursor |
| 22:14.20 | TheViral | or just aptitude -r install packagename |
| 22:14.22 | head____________ | paranoid1: it installs, but dpkg will spew out a dependency error for you if one exists |
| 22:14.36 | \amethyst | indes: oh, so you do get the background and cursor, so it's not a driver problem |
| 22:14.37 | head____________ | indes: because your window manager is dead. |
| 22:14.49 | indes | \amethyst, no, x.org runs fine. it just doesn't spawn any children by the looks of it |
| 22:14.52 | \amethyst | head____________: that shouldn't stop running DISPLAY=:0 xterm |
| 22:14.59 | indes | head____________: why is it xterm doesn't go |
| 22:15.02 | indes | from xinitrc or from a tty? |
| 22:15.04 | head____________ | indes: look in .xsession (which should launch your wm) |
| 22:15.25 | head____________ | \amethyst: no, xterm is launched by default if there is no WM to launch |
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| 22:15.45 | TheViral | \amethyst: oops forgot to put your name before my messages |
| 22:15.51 | indes | head____________: regardless, I can't launch DISPLAY=":0" xterm from another tty and have x display anything.. |
| 22:15.59 | indes | head____________: a window manager is the least of my worries right now. |
| 22:16.01 | \amethyst | TheViral: just aptitude -r install |
| 22:16.10 | \amethyst | TheViral: just aptitude -r install packagename rather |
| 22:16.22 | TheViral | \amethyst: k |
| 22:16.26 | \amethyst | TheViral: the -r means "install recommends as well as absolute dependencies" |
| 22:16.31 | head____________ | indes: hold on -- are you getting a single xterm and nothing else, or absolutely nothing at all? |
| 22:16.36 | indes | nothign at all |
| 22:16.42 | indes | I'd like an xterm :-p |
| 22:16.53 | indes | I get the basic X cursor on the grey/black background |
| 22:17.07 | head____________ | indes: do you have a DM? does it launch? |
| 22:17.17 | indes | no display manager, using startx |
| 22:17.37 | indes | I can send alt+ctrl+backspace and kill it.. like I said, the log doesn't show any errors |
| 22:18.02 | mrrcp | How can i dial into my sever? |
| 22:18.13 | mrrcp | sorta like a ISP |
| 22:18.14 | \amethyst | indes: you can move the cursor, right? |
| 22:18.17 | indes | yep |
| 22:18.23 | head____________ | indes: how's .xsession look like? |
| 22:18.27 | \amethyst | indes: does it act like it moves "off" one side of the screen or the other? |
| 22:18.38 | indes | no, its bound to the screen edges |
| 22:18.40 | head____________ | \amethyst: isn't there some moratorium on supporting unstable? |
| 22:18.46 | indes | (tried that, hoped it was over on :1) |
| 22:19.02 | \amethyst | head____________: People who use unstable shouldn't expect support. That doesn't mean they won't get it :) |
| 22:19.21 | indes | Xsession is default |
| 22:19.22 | TheViral | \amethyst: When I put that command in...I get this, does this look ok? it looks like it wants to uninstall too many things |
| 22:19.23 | head____________ | indes: ~/.xsession? |
| 22:19.26 | TheViral | \amethyst: http://pastebin.com/d1d7cb06 |
| 22:19.30 | indes | no xsession in ~ |
| 22:19.33 | indes | was using xinitrc |
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| 22:19.47 | \amethyst | TheViral: oh, you've not used aptitude before |
| 22:20.07 | TheViral | \amethyst: nope |
| 22:20.16 | \amethyst | TheViral: those packages are listed because it thinks they're "automatically installed" and that you don't really want them |
| 22:20.23 | head____________ | indes: xinitrc is ignored under startx. |
| 22:20.30 | head____________ | indes: cp .xinitrc .xsession |
| 22:20.35 | indes | it wasn't prior to the update.. mm okay |
| 22:20.38 | \amethyst | TheViral: the easiest way to fix it is to list all those packages on the apt-get install command line |
| 22:20.46 | indes | will try.. do I need exec xterm or just xterm? |
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| 22:20.55 | streuner | !nickometer head____________ |
| 22:20.57 | dpkg | 'head____________' is 99.992% lame, streuner |
| 22:20.57 | indes | or does it need to be a shell script? |
| 22:21.05 | TheViral | \amethyst: so if I jsut copy and paste I'll be good to go? haha |
| 22:21.09 | head____________ | streuner: old habits die hard |
| 22:21.10 | \amethyst | TheViral: though actually you can leave out the lib ones |
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| 22:21.17 | head____________ | indes: a+x, please |
| 22:21.19 | zelda` | debian almost done downloading |
| 22:21.28 | TheViral | \amethyst: oh ok |
| 22:21.34 | \amethyst | TheViral: since there is probably no reason you'd want one of those libraries unless one of the other packages depends on it |
| 22:21.41 | zelda` | head____________ why are there all those underscores in your name -.- |
| 22:21.57 | penp | lol |
| 22:22.01 | jorgp | is seems to be a pain to get nvidia drivers install in unstable |
| 22:22.10 | indes | head____________: same thing. |
| 22:22.15 | fengor | its his "tail" uhuh ;) |
| 22:22.21 | head____________ | indes: the info in 'man startx' changed -- most likely wouldn't work. |
| 22:22.33 | \amethyst | TheViral: actually, try aptitude -r install gdm=2.18.4-1 gnome |
| 22:22.40 | \amethyst | TheViral: that might catch most of them |
| 22:22.40 | head____________ | indes: what's in ~/.xsession-error*? |
| 22:22.46 | petemc | head____________: its not very considerate to your fellow irc users to fill their screen with underscores |
| 22:22.58 | TheViral | \amethyst: k, one sec |
| 22:23.07 | head____________ | petemc: you want to cut my tail off? is that it? |
| 22:23.08 | indes | head____________: no such file ~/.xsession- anything |
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| 22:23.15 | wols_ | !tell jorgp about nvidia_post_etc |
| 22:23.16 | indes | only ~/.xsession now since I moved it over from xinitrc |
| 22:23.17 | wols_ | !tell jorgp about nvidia_post_etch |
| 22:23.27 | Ace2016 | head____________: why do you have so many underscores in your name? |
| 22:23.53 | wols_ | it's the wall he continously banged his head against |
| 22:23.54 | head_stump | Ace2016: what underscore |
| 22:23.55 | indes | from 8 to 1.. nice ;-) |
| 22:24.00 | Ace2016 | he he |
| 22:24.01 | wols_ | no prize for guessing what it dit to his braincells |
| 22:24.02 | petemc | head____________: i dont much care one way or the other, just thought id point that out in case the notion handt occured to you |
| 22:24.09 | \amethyst | TheViral: another useful thing to know about aptitude: when it gives you the Do you want to continue? [Y/n/?] prompt... |
| 22:24.29 | TheViral | \amethyst: oh man...you should see the size of the message now hahahaha |
| 22:24.33 | indes | hm, xorg is soo borked. oh no fun. |
| 22:24.42 | \amethyst | TheViral: that was worse? |
| 22:24.51 | indes | damn that upgrade. why upgrade ever. ugh. |
| 22:24.51 | head_stump | indes: no, no. what's inside .x{initrc,session}? |
| 22:25.01 | \amethyst | TheViral: ...at the prompt, you can use things like +foo bar baz to add a particular package or set of packages |
| 22:25.18 | TheViral | \amethyst: Oh that's cool, and I dunno if it's worse, I'll show you |
| 22:25.25 | indes | head_stump: I have both ~/.xinitrc and ~/.xsession, both say: exec xterm on its own line |
| 22:25.29 | indes | thats it |
| 22:25.39 | karrotx | for l in package.list do; aptitude remove $l < /dev/yes |
| 22:25.42 | karrotx | done |
| 22:25.58 | indes | (xterm is installed, it runs if I do a xterm by itself but complains about no DISPLAY variable, so I do a DISPLAY=":0" xterm and try again) |
| 22:26.01 | \amethyst | karrotx: /dev/yes ? |
| 22:26.05 | TheViral | \amethyst: http://pastebin.com/d20941362 |
| 22:26.05 | simonrvn | /dev/yes ? |
| 22:26.07 | indes | and again, xterm doesn't show up |
| 22:26.10 | simonrvn | o_O |
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| 22:26.15 | indes | but it runs, the thread is there |
| 22:26.16 | CalJohn | I'm having to backport nvidia-glx from sid. However, the deb package I've created (with "apt-get -b source nvidia-graphics-drivers") is requiring xserver-xorg-core >=2:1.4, and I have only a slightly lower version. However, it does work fine. What's a good way to make apt ignore this dependancy for the time being and just carry on with business as usual (I can't install any new packages)? |
| 22:26.18 | Acxty | I am trying to add deb http://www.debian-multimedia.org stable main into the source.list but it always give me the error that could not verify public key |
| 22:26.42 | indes | Acxty: add the key, something about gnupg-key add or something? :-p |
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| 22:27.10 | indes | I don't remember, each repository is signed with a gnupgkey |
| 22:27.12 | head_stump | indes: this might sound silly, but needn't you export the env var? |
| 22:27.21 | indes | head_stump: shouldn't startx do that for me? |
| 22:27.23 | CalJohn | Acxty: ask dpkg about "debian-multimedia.etch" |
| 22:27.33 | indes | and even if it didn't, why doesn't it work if I export it when I run the executable? |
| 22:27.47 | \amethyst | TheViral: I guess you didn't have a full gnome install before? |
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| 22:28.08 | \amethyst | TheViral: as for the stuff at the bottom, I think the recommended solution is acceptable |
| 22:28.14 | hagna | which package has the X dev library? |
| 22:28.17 | \amethyst | TheViral: unless you really need evolution-webcal |
| 22:28.28 | \amethyst | hagna: it's not just one package |
| 22:28.44 | TheViral | \amethyst: I had whatever it gave me from my net install and lenny upgrade and any updates |
| 22:28.54 | TheViral | \amethyst: that's the mail program? |
| 22:28.56 | head_stump | indes: no, I meant the "export" builtin |
| 22:28.59 | hagna | \amethyst: how many? |
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| 22:29.02 | zelda` | Imagine 1MB/s internet |
| 22:29.15 | \amethyst | TheViral: no, it's an add-on for the mail program |
| 22:29.16 | zelda` | lol that'd be 1024 kb/s |
| 22:29.27 | head_stump | indes: e.g., "export DISPLAY=":0" ..." |
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| 22:29.31 | indes | head_stump: just tried that, I ran startx on tty1, (it ran on tty7, so I went back to tty2) and did this: export DISPLAY=":0" <enter> xterm <enter> |
| 22:29.42 | TheViral | \amethyst: oh, nah I don't even use the program. What about when it says leave the following dependencies unresolved at the bottom? |
| 22:29.43 | indes | and it just hangs, xterm is running (I can see it using ps aux on tty3) |
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| 22:29.51 | \amethyst | hagna: a lot.. the metapackage xorg-dev should pull them all in, though you might get more than you really need |
| 22:29.53 | indes | nothing is displayed on the X tty7 |
| 22:30.05 | \amethyst | TheViral: that's because there's a recommends that it can't satisfy |
| 22:30.07 | head_stump | indes: have you tried running anything else? |
| 22:30.08 | CalJohn | zelda`: a friends uni had 5MB/s, if I'm not wildly mistaken |
| 22:30.19 | zelda` | what? |
| 22:30.21 | indes | head_stump: the window manager..... |
| 22:30.23 | zelda` | is that cable? |
| 22:30.27 | TheViral | \amethyst: ohhh ok...I'm gonna go through with it |
| 22:30.31 | \amethyst | TheViral: since it's a recommends and not an absolute dependency, it can be ignored |
| 22:30.34 | simonrvn | unis have ph4t p1p3z |
| 22:30.38 | CalJohn | zelda`: i think it's a big fat university pipe. |
| 22:30.40 | head_stump | indes: the window manager should dump errors (if any) in .xsession-errors |
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| 22:30.44 | Guerin | zelda`: i had a 100Mbit connection which I benchmarked at 7.25MB/s |
| 22:30.51 | zelda` | well one time my internet was at 255 kb/s -.- |
| 22:30.54 | Guerin | those were the days |
| 22:30.54 | indes | head_stump: whats wierd is when I ctrl+C the xterm process on tty2, it kills it then takes me BACK to tty7 automatically |
| 22:30.58 | simonrvn | zelda`: no that's not cable... |
| 22:31.01 | \amethyst | TheViral: yeah, I'd accept that solution and install, unless 233MB will put you too close to a full disk :) |
| 22:31.10 | head_stump | indes: b/c your focus is on X |
| 22:31.21 | indes | head_stump: theres no .xsession-errors file |
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| 22:31.34 | head_stump | indes: even after you try running the WM? |
| 22:31.36 | TheViral | \amethyst: I have plenty of space :P it says gdm will be an untrusted package? |
| 22:31.46 | \amethyst | TheViral: because it's not from the official repository |
| 22:31.46 | Acxty | CalJohn, sorry for this, but how do I ask dpkh? :) |
| 22:31.47 | indes | head_stump: true. there is never a -errors file generated. |
| 22:31.55 | indes | there are no errors -which is why I'm here wondering wtf is going on |
| 22:32.02 | indes | there are no errors in /var/log/Xorg.log.0 either |
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| 22:32.06 | CalJohn | Acxty: /msg dpkg debian-multimedia.etch |
| 22:32.07 | jorgp | is there a way to install a 2.6.18 debian kernel in unstable? |
| 22:32.12 | TheViral | \amethyst: Oh ok |
| 22:32.12 | \amethyst | TheViral: (which is strange, I would have though snapshot packages were still signed) |
| 22:32.17 | CalJohn | !debian-multimedia.etch |
| 22:32.17 | dpkg | To add the debian-multimedia repository, first ask me about <apt-key 1F41B907>. then, run # echo "deb http://www.debian-multimedia.org etch main" >> /etc/apt/sources.list; apt-get update; (as root), or install the debian-multimedia-keyring package from the debian-multimedia.org repository. |
| 22:32.19 | wols_ | jorgp: sure. just install it |
| 22:32.34 | jorgp | wols_: I tried it claims that it does not exist |
| 22:32.47 | head_stump | indes: what's inside /etc/X11/Xsession.options? |
| 22:32.49 | \amethyst | jorgp: I'm running unstable with a 2.6.18 debian kernel right now |
| 22:33.12 | wols_ | jorgp: it does exist in etch |
| 22:33.21 | \amethyst | jorgp: in my case, it was installed back when 2.6.18 was still in unstable. In your case, you probably want to get your kernel from etch or snapshot |
| 22:33.29 | indes | allow-failsafe, allow-user-resources, allow-user-xsession, use-ssh-agent, use-session-dbus |
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| 22:33.35 | indes | all on new lines head_stump.. |
| 22:33.56 | indes | ... s/,/\n/g |
| 22:34.17 | indes | so by that I assume it should be using my ~/.xsession |
| 22:35.10 | indes | I wonder if I wrote a basic xlib app to see if I can create a connection to the xserver and just dump raw data to see where its failing, but that seems like a lot of work for something I apt-got'd. |
| 22:35.39 | TheViral | \amethyst: damn, it's asking me for my debian CD...can't find it haha. Should I remove those lines fro my sources.list? Are they even useful? |
| 22:35.39 | indes | shouldn't have upgraded x with apt-get dist-upgrade .. lol |
| 22:36.00 | indes | TheViral: if you want to lose the cd, remove the cd entry from your sources.list and apt-get update |
| 22:36.03 | \amethyst | TheViral: probably not very useful if you have an internet connection :) |
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| 22:36.19 | bkruse | indes: agreed there |
| 22:36.35 | indes | .. why? did you upgrade x? |
| 22:36.43 | indes | are you having issues with it spawning children theads? |
| 22:37.00 | TheViral | indes, \amethyst: Ok, I jsut moved and I have no idea what box it's in haha |
| 22:37.27 | indes | what box whats in? huh? you don't need the CD to lose it if you have the computer :-p |
| 22:37.53 | indes | head_stump: if I startx on tty1, and go back to tty1, I shouldn't be able to get a prompt by hitting enter, should I.... |
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| 22:38.10 | indes | (X CONTINUES to run on TTY7, while I'm back to bash on TTY1) |
| 22:38.10 | jorgp | \amethyst: I am trying to get nvidia installed in unstable is what I am doing |
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| 22:38.49 | head_stump | indes: startx does not fork |
| 22:38.52 | Internat | this might be a stupid question |
| 22:39.13 | Internat | if i have a file, and i make a hardlink to it. can the permissions on that hardlink be different to whats on the main one? |
| 22:39.14 | indes | head_stump: its forking now. |
| 22:39.15 | indes | LOL |
| 22:39.22 | \amethyst | Internat: no they cannot |
| 22:39.29 | indes | oh wtf. |
| 22:39.31 | \amethyst | Internat: the only difference between two hardlinks is the filename |
| 22:39.34 | head_stump | indes: seriously, try something else besides xterm and an incommunicado window manager that could emit some meaningful messages |
| 22:39.36 | Internat | thats unfortunate |
| 22:39.40 | Internat | ta :) |
| 22:39.45 | \amethyst | Internat: what do you want to do? |
| 22:39.47 | Agiofws | SGI_PARTITION [=y] is this the sg module ? |
| 22:40.03 | head_stump | Agiofws: modinfo, or google |
| 22:40.07 | \amethyst | Internat: I mean, why do you want two hardlinks to the same file with different permissions? |
| 22:40.14 | \amethyst | Internat: there might be a better way to do it |
| 22:40.14 | indes | head_stump: e17 is less than great to test with, (I thought that was the issue initally.) |
| 22:40.28 | indes | time to apt-get ion |
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| 22:40.49 | head_stump | indes: your $PATH is fine, right? |
| 22:40.54 | Internat | my php-fcgi-wrapper, which has to be owned by the users due to suexec restrictions.. so rather then have a copy for each, and having to update them all individually i was wanting to have them all pointing to the same one, but have their own permission |
| 22:41.03 | head_stump | indes: nvm |
| 22:41.04 | Agiofws | head_stump, lapi:/media# modinfo sg |
| 22:41.04 | Agiofws | modinfo: could not find module sg |
| 22:41.10 | indes | head_stump: oh yeah, path is great :-) |
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| 22:42.28 | head_stump | Agiofws: so you have nothing to worry about. :) |
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| 22:42.40 | VincentC | i've chrooted a few ssh accounts to my server |
| 22:42.44 | Agiofws | head_stump, is that the module ? |
| 22:42.49 | VincentC | but when the user deletes their home direcctory |
| 22:42.53 | indes | head_stump: I did the apt-get install ion2, edited ~/.xsession to say "exec ion2" without quotes on its own line and retried - same behaviour, no ~/.xsession-* |
| 22:42.59 | VincentC | they get put into "/" by default |
| 22:43.00 | Agiofws | sg SGI_PARTITION [=y] is this the sg module ? ? |
| 22:43.03 | indes | dare I try an xdm? |
| 22:43.17 | VincentC | how can i stop a user from deleting their own home directory? |
| 22:43.18 | wols_ | I'm curious: would the debian image for CoLinux be supported here? |
| 22:43.35 | JW | VincentC: change ownership on them? |
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| 22:43.38 | Nyle | well, its just debian sarge |
| 22:43.44 | Nyle | wols_: well it was |
| 22:43.52 | head_stump | Agiofws: sorry. are you compiling a kernel? you could look inside the Makefiles and figure out which var in KConfig corresponds to sg |
| 22:44.04 | Nyle | wols_: i mean as long as its not anything colinux related then yeh, its just debian |
| 22:44.13 | Nyle | so why not be supported here |
| 22:44.23 | petemc | wols_: if someone knew the answer to a users question, who would it hurt if they asnwered it? |
| 22:44.29 | Nyle | exactly |
| 22:44.29 | wols_ | Nyle: I help someone right now to update it. it's not sarge. libc6 2.2 and kernel 2.6.12 is what he as |
| 22:44.32 | Nyle | petemc: is the man |
| 22:44.32 | VincentC | so would i take away write permissoin for owner? |
| 22:44.34 | head_stump | indes: can you verify that ion2 is running? |
| 22:44.38 | petemc | hello Nyle |
| 22:44.41 | VincentC | write permissions rather |
| 22:44.42 | indes | yes, it shows up in ps aux |
| 22:44.46 | indes | however, I just used xdm |
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| 22:44.55 | indes | at the top of xdm.log I get IPv6 errors |
| 22:44.56 | Nyle | petemc: hey man, isn't it all your fault? |
| 22:44.57 | Nyle | somehow |
| 22:44.59 | Nyle | ;) |
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| 22:45.02 | petemc | :) |
| 22:45.10 | indes | head_stump: does X.org in unstable DEPEND on ipv6 support in the kernel? |
| 22:45.34 | head_stump | indes: no, that shouldn't be the problem |
| 22:45.35 | Nyle | wols_: can't be using a debian kernel |
| 22:45.42 | indes | _XSERVblah socket errors though |
| 22:45.44 | JW | VincentC: no, they could just put them back (unless they're too clueless to do that) |
| 22:45.51 | wols_ | Nyle: I know |
| 22:46.04 | JW | VincentC: it depends on what you're really trying to do |
| 22:46.23 | Nyle | wols_: you have a tail. |
| 22:46.26 | VincentC | i'd like to prevent the owner from deleting their own directory |
| 22:46.42 | head_stump | indes: can you pastebin Xorg.0.log from your cli? |
| 22:47.21 | JW | VincentC: you can never prevent the owner from modding their own permissions. You have to take away their ownership |
| 22:47.24 | \amethyst | Internat: It's not suid or anything like that is it? |
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| 22:47.42 | JW | VincentC: if you change the owner ssh logins probably won't work. |
| 22:47.59 | \amethyst | VincentC: when you say their own directory... you mean their home directory? |
| 22:47.59 | indes | head_stump: I can lynx it I guess, hold on |
| 22:48.05 | Tramp | VincentC: They cannot, if they have not write-permission to the parent-directory (typically /home), which they usually don't have |
| 22:48.06 | indes | head_stump: gonna be interesting. |
| 22:48.30 | VincentC | yeah, i've chrooted my classmate's ssh user accounts so that can't peek around the rest of the system |
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| 22:48.52 | VincentC | but if they delete their own directories, they can log in but default to "/" |
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| 22:49.15 | \amethyst | VincentC: oh, so this is just about deleting their top-level home dir? |
| 22:49.17 | VincentC | their own directories being the home i've assigned them |
| 22:49.23 | VincentC | yeah |
| 22:49.25 | \amethyst | VincentC: you don't care about them deleting files within their homedir? |
| 22:49.27 | Tramp | VincentC: Did you read, what I hust wrote? |
| 22:49.32 | VincentC | i don't care if they do |
| 22:49.33 | \amethyst | VincentC: the what Tramp said |
| 22:49.35 | \amethyst | then |
| 22:49.36 | indes | head_stump: whats insert from file in vi? :i ? |
| 22:49.41 | VincentC | oh sorry i must have missed it |
| 22:49.44 | indes | :i /path/to? |
| 22:49.44 | indes | lol |
| 22:49.54 | head_stump | indes: er, no clue? |
| 22:49.55 | \amethyst | VincentC: deleting something requires write access to its *parent* directory |
| 22:50.16 | indes | head_stump: I have to import it into vi somehow to paste it into pastebin via lynx |
| 22:50.17 | indes | ugh |
| 22:50.45 | VincentC | ok i must have been careless with my permissions then, i will recheck everything more thoroughly |
| 22:50.46 | VincentC | thanks |
| 22:51.36 | \amethyst | indes: :r |
| 22:51.37 | Nyle | man I donn't care what people say, Nirvana aint got nothing on Bush (as far as grunge rock goes) |
| 22:51.37 | head_stump | indes: you realize that you can upload the file directly, right? |
| 22:51.47 | Nyle | oh /oops meant for #music |
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| 22:52.31 | indes | head_stump: where? lol |
| 22:52.36 | pablo | hi, i installed gnome-core and it doesnt let me install gdm, they are incompatible packages now? |
| 22:52.41 | head_stump | http://pastebin.ca/upload.php |
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| 22:53.02 | \amethyst | pablo: you're running testing I bet? |
| 22:53.17 | pablo | \amethyst: yes |
| 22:53.18 | indes | bah |
| 22:53.35 | \amethyst | pablo: testing is in the middle of a gnome transition right now---gdm has been updated but not gnome-core |
| 22:53.37 | pablo | \amethyst: what has happened? |
| 22:53.43 | indes | head_stump: its on there, 1455 I think |
| 22:53.55 | indes | head_stump: I used 'indes' as my name, I can't find a link. UGH, damn lynx |
| 22:54.05 | \amethyst | pablo: you'll need to get an older gdm, for example from snapshot.debian.net |
| 22:54.08 | head_stump | indes: w3m, dude. |
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| 22:54.11 | pablo | \amethyst: ok, so what do you recommend me to do, leave gdm for a while? |
| 22:54.39 | indes | head_stump: :-) |
| 22:54.45 | mirak | <PROTECTED> |
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| 22:55.13 | cameronm | sorry for the OT question, but does anyone know of a builtin method or extension of seeing what data is being POSTed when i click on a submit button? (i know i could read through the code, but there's way to much javascript for me to wade through on this one) |
| 22:55.14 | indes | http://www.pastebin.org/12455/ ahha! |
| 22:55.19 | indes | head_stump: that one! ^ |
| 22:55.38 | indes | nothing you can't do from a tty you can't do in X... just takes a bit longer. |
| 22:55.41 | telexicon | What do you do if the maintainer of a package doesn't do anything? There is a bug for a package that causes the program to simply crash on start on ultrasparc, it was reported over a year ago, I posted a patch fixing the issue 150 days ago |
| 22:56.01 | \amethyst | pablo: http://snapshot.debian.net/archive/2007/08/01/debian/pool/main/g/gdm/gdm_2.18.4-1_i386.deb |
| 22:56.52 | pablo | \amethyst: ok, with startx for now is ok |
| 22:57.07 | indes | at least your startx works. |
| 22:57.10 | Tramp | cameronm: you could use a proxy. For this purpose (and ease of use) I'd recommend Paros. |
| 22:57.16 | \amethyst | telexicon: what's the bug # ? |
| 22:57.23 | dondelelcaro | telexicon: which bug? |
| 22:57.30 | pablo | \amethyst: thank |
| 22:57.35 | \amethyst | telexicon: and has there been other activity on that package, or by that maintainer |
| 22:57.53 | pablo | indes: lol, it doesnt for you? |
| 22:58.00 | indes | X runs, nothing runs in X. |
| 22:58.12 | indes | so I Get to look at a grey screen with a big black X cursor |
| 22:58.19 | \amethyst | pablo: if you install that version (download the file and dpkg -i it), you probably want to hold it at that version so apt doesn't try to upgrade to the 2.20 version |
| 22:58.27 | telexicon | almost everything is very old |
| 22:58.28 | telexicon | http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=385018 |
| 22:58.41 | telexicon | the package is racoon |
| 22:58.44 | \amethyst | pablo: /msg dpkg hold will tell you more |
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| 22:59.25 | head_stump | indes: this is very strange. |
| 22:59.33 | vershun | Has anyone had this happen before?: Before starting thunderbird: vershun@verk:/mnt/shared$ touch hi After Thunderbird tries to start: vershun@verk:/mnt/shared$ touch hi touch: cannot touch `hi': Read-only file system |
| 22:59.33 | indes | I know |
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| 22:59.49 | indes | head_stump: I can usually solve all my own issues, ... I don't ask for help unless I'm TOTALLY lost |
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| 23:00.11 | indes | all my drm/dri modules work, it gives me a nice display, just forks X and nothing runs |
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| 23:00.36 | indes | did they do something to the startx script in the last.. month I guess? |
| 23:00.37 | dondelelcaro | telexicon: yeeah, the last upload by the maintainer was on 2007/07/01 |
| 23:00.55 | cameronm | Tramp: thanks, i'll check that out. seems like this sort of thing should be built in to browsers |
| 23:01.16 | dondelelcaro | telexicon: so most likely the maintainer is MIA at some level. If you're actually interested in that package, and want to maintain it, there's a possibility that someone will sponsor a hijack for you. |
| 23:01.17 | \amethyst | dondelelcaro: would failing to run at all on one architecture be considered grave? |
| 23:01.28 | \amethyst | dondelelcaro: or just important? |
| 23:01.31 | dondelelcaro | \amethyst: no, but it's at least important. |
| 23:01.50 | telexicon | i think it would crash on most RISC architectures |
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| 23:01.55 | dondelelcaro | \amethyst: that package already has an open RC bug against it though, so the actual severity isn't too important. |
| 23:01.58 | indes | so much for doing some GTK devel tonight. |
| 23:01.59 | indes | bah |
| 23:02.03 | \amethyst | dondelelcaro: ah |
| 23:02.15 | telexicon | anything that will SIGBUS because of memory alignment issues |
| 23:02.18 | techouse | does kopete support chat logs? |
| 23:02.27 | Tramp | cameronm: well, maybe among the gazillion more or less working extensions there is one that does it - I just don't know of any though from the top of my hand. |
| 23:02.42 | Tramp | *head |
| 23:03.07 | dondelelcaro | telexicon: right; anyway, if you can verify that the issue still occurs in the version that is in unstable and mark that bug found in the unstable version, that'd be useful. |
| 23:03.19 | bkruse | anyone help me with some vnc stuff? specifically using repeater, or listening, or something... |
| 23:03.22 | dondelelcaro | telexicon: bonus points if you prepare a patch for the existing RC bug. |
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| 23:03.40 | telexicon | dondelelcaro, RC bug? |
| 23:03.50 | telexicon | dondelelcaro, oh you mean the bug thats in stable? |
| 23:03.53 | cameronm | Tramp: gotcha, i couldn't come w/ any either ;) |
| 23:04.10 | dondelelcaro | telexicon: #298496 is a bug that will keep racoon from releasing in a stable release. |
| 23:04.20 | [dive] | hi all. what'll happen if i make 'apt-get dist-upgrade' from chroot to debian? |
| 23:04.28 | telexicon | dondelelcaro, ah.. ill take a look at that |
| 23:04.35 | \amethyst | though the original submitter's bug isn't really a problem |
| 23:04.49 | \amethyst | it's the bug mentioned in the reply that is the big problem |
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| 23:05.01 | \amethyst | (in 298496 that is) |
| 23:05.02 | Nyle | !dbugs #298496 |
| 23:05.04 | bkruse | anyone have experience with vnc repeater? |
| 23:05.05 | dpkg | #298496:S[racoon] racoon: Remove/purge package doesn't remove all files; Mon, 7 Mar 2005 22:03:05 UTC |
| 23:05.09 | indes | head_stump !! I GOT AN ERROR MESSAGE!!! |
| 23:05.09 | indes | lol |
| 23:05.21 | Nyle | so how hard could that be to fix |
| 23:05.23 | indes | head_stump _XCBUnlockDisplay Assertion |
| 23:05.30 | indes | head_stump: something bad with xcb? |
| 23:05.33 | Nyle | check the post scripts |
| 23:05.34 | dondelelcaro | Nyle: pretty trivial, actually. But someone who actually uses racoon has to do it. |
| 23:05.43 | Nyle | dondelelcaro: heh, I don't even know what it is |
| 23:05.44 | dondelelcaro | (which means, someone who is not me) |
| 23:05.53 | Nyle | hehe me either |
| 23:06.00 | Nyle | i might take a look at it just to look at it |
| 23:06.02 | Tramp | cameronm: ... though you made me curious. I did a quick Google-search. There is "tamperdate" |
| 23:06.21 | Tramp | cameronm: sorry, "tamperdata" which looks like it could do what you want. |
| 23:06.34 | telexicon | I use racoon, but I am not that good with debian packaging |
| 23:06.42 | ziyax | n8 n8 all |
| 23:06.48 | Nyle | telexicon: you want to learn? |
| 23:07.01 | [dive] | once more: (: hi all. what'll happen if i make 'apt-get dist-upgrade' from chroot to debian? |
| 23:07.21 | Nyle | [dive]: the chroot will get updated and not the whole debian host system |
| 23:07.25 | telexicon | Nyle, yeah |
| 23:07.26 | Nyle | if i understand you correctly |
| 23:07.37 | Nyle | !tell telexicon about package basics |
| 23:07.55 | Nyle | you might consult maint-guide after the basics |
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| 23:08.16 | Nyle | which is also in the factoid |
| 23:08.27 | indes | screw it |
| 23:08.40 | Nyle | you will first check the scripts that manage package installation and removal, and in removal you will probably find the bug which causes the files to not get removed completely |
| 23:09.15 | telexicon | arent configuration files supposed to not be removed if they've been modified? |
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| 23:09.30 | \amethyst | telexicon: they're supposed to be removed when you purge |
| 23:09.42 | \amethyst | telexicon: not when you do a normal remove |
| 23:09.43 | head_stump | indes: sorry, I not familiar with the X calllback stuff |
| 23:09.48 | head_stump | I'm* |
| 23:09.51 | telexicon | \amethyst, oh its not removing them on purge.. i see |
| 23:09.58 | indes | head_stump: didn't work anyway (I installed xcbproto or whateveR) |
| 23:10.03 | Nyle | no... |
| 23:10.08 | [dive] | Nyle: i mean, that i make chroot from running opensuse to debian and make update at chroot of debian env. is it normal? |
| 23:10.09 | \amethyst | err |
| 23:10.10 | indes | I installed a crapload of stuff .. ugh |
| 23:10.11 | \amethyst | actually |
| 23:10.25 | \amethyst | dondelelcaro: Looking over that bug, again, should it be RC? |
| 23:10.31 | Nyle | [dive]: i'm not sure |
| 23:10.42 | Nyle | yes |
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| 23:10.46 | Nyle | RC |
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| 23:11.21 | \amethyst | What's RC about it? I thought at first it said that purging doesn't remove the conffiles |
| 23:11.28 | \amethyst | but looking over it again, it doesn't say that |
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| 23:11.53 | hdevalence | Where can I find a guid to setting up a router using Debian? |
| 23:12.20 | penp | try looking for a guide on ipmasq and routing tables |
| 23:12.27 | [dive] | Nyle: i'm too (: have to reboot to it |
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| 23:12.43 | Nemoder | hdevalence: not debian specific but i found this helpful: http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/Masquerading-Simple-HOWTO/intro.html |
| 23:12.50 | Nyle | !routing |
| 23:12.50 | dpkg | routing is probably the Advanced Routing which can be found at http://lartc.org/ - all sorts of howtos and samples |
| 23:12.55 | Nyle | !nat |
| 23:12.55 | dpkg | Network Address Translation. See also <ipmasq>, or patented by CISCO, or ipmasq is not exactly like NAT, the former is more flexible while the latter gains widely recognition. See also <netfilter docs> or $BROWSER /usr/share/doc/iptables/html/NAT-HOWTO-4.html#ss4.1, or http://www.cs.utk.edu/~moore/what-nats-break.html, or configured easily with a GUI using either the 'guidedog' or 'guarddog' packages. |
| 23:12.55 | dondelelcaro | \amethyst: if it's actually not removing configuration files or things installed, it's RC. IF it isn't, it's not even a bug. |
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| 23:13.34 | dondelelcaro | \amethyst: but without actually looking at what's happening, I couldn't tell you |
| 23:14.04 | Nyle | well it can be simmply clarified by looking at what makes a bug a RC bug |
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| 23:14.27 | Nyle | and the severity etc. |
| 23:15.23 | \amethyst | anyway, the second message to the bug is not a bug |
| 23:15.55 | \amethyst | since apt-get remove racoon *shouldn't* remove /etc/racoon/ and so on |
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| 23:16.25 | Nyle | is the package abandoned |
| 23:16.39 | zelda` | I'm installing debian on my laptop and it's at the partitioning part, do i do manual or guided to make it dual boot |
| 23:16.41 | telexicon | possibly |
| 23:16.51 | zelda` | with the windows already on it |
| 23:16.55 | Nyle | !info racoon |
| 23:16.59 | dpkg | racoon: (IPsec IKE keying daemon), section net, is extra. Version: 1:0.6.7-1.1 (sid), Packaged size: 314 kB, Installed size: 872 kB |
| 23:17.11 | zelda` | !partition |
| 23:17.11 | dpkg | You can partition your hard drive by breaking it up into one or more pieces, or "partitions". Partition manipulators include fdisk, <cfdisk>, sfdisk, <parted> and <gparted>. Also ask about <list partitions>. Linux Partition HOWTO: http://tldp.org/HOWTO/Partition/ |
| 23:17.30 | Nyle | zelda`: great way to make yourself useful |
| 23:17.32 | Nyle | :) |
| 23:17.36 | Nyle | !dpkgbot |
| 23:17.37 | dpkg | it has been said that dpkgbot is Please visit http://wiki.debian.org/IRC/DpkgBot to learn how to effectively search the factoids database for FAQ, and not flood in the channel with !tell <who> about <what>. Also see <msg the bot>. We ask that you learn to search for yourself first, unless it is a specific problem. Many questions are asked repeatedly, and the factoid database can be of great help to you. |
| 23:18.07 | zelda` | what? |
| 23:18.21 | Nyle | nothing, just saying goob job |
| 23:18.27 | zelda` | just wich do I choose to make it dual boot with the iwndows already on there |
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| 23:18.35 | Nyle | hm |
| 23:18.37 | Nyle | well manual |
| 23:18.43 | zelda` | ok |
| 23:18.51 | Nyle | if windows already exists and then you don't want automatic/guided |
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| 23:19.05 | Nyle | before you make a choice, decide on what you want to do first |
| 23:19.11 | Nyle | or how you want your dual boot setup |
| 23:19.27 | zelda` | dual boot where i can either boot debian or windows |
| 23:19.28 | Nyle | you want linux to launch windows or windows to launch linux? |
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| 23:19.33 | Nyle | you want to mess with the MBR or not? |
| 23:19.37 | zelda` | what? |
| 23:19.53 | Nyle | you'd rather leave the windows MBR alone? or would you like grub to handle mbr/linux/windows |
| 23:19.56 | zelda` | I already installed ubuntu on a computer, i think debian will be similar |
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| 23:20.19 | zelda` | I just want it to be that I turn on the laptop and theres an option to either boot debian or windows |
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| 23:20.46 | Nyle | there are a few ways but the easieast is to isntall windows, then debian, on a seperate partition, then during debian installation, install grub to mbr and it will detect the windows parttion and make a chainloading entry in menu.lst |
| 23:20.58 | zelda` | I already have windows |
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| 23:21.29 | zelda` | I did this with ubuntu on my desktop already i didnt have to do all that with ubuntu, weird lol |
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| 23:22.04 | Nyle | why are you using debian? |
| 23:22.16 | zelda` | it's better then ubuntu |
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| 23:22.41 | Nyle | well you'll have to do your own work |
| 23:22.49 | Patrick2 | When a user runs vncserver for the first time, where is the default "xstartup" file copied from into "~/.vnc" ? |
| 23:23.15 | Nyle | Patrick2: I don't think its copied is it |
| 23:23.19 | zelda` | theres IDE 1 wich is fat16, and IDE 2 wich is fat32, i know that one has windows, but IDE 1 is only 356 MB, do I use IDE 1? |
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| 23:23.48 | holycow | hey |
| 23:23.48 | zelda` | IDE 2 is 11 GB, wich is the size of the HDD |
| 23:23.53 | holycow | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:23.53 | holycow | <holycow> |
| 23:24.01 | zelda` | so do I use IDE 1? |
| 23:24.01 | holycow | http://supermicro.com/products/chassis/3U/933/SC933T-R760.cfm <-- if you have a box like that, just how do you attach 15hds to the motherboard? |
| 23:24.05 | holycow | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:24.11 | holycow | anyone have experience with that? just curious how that normally works? |
| 23:24.35 | Nyle | $HOME/.vnc/xstartup A shell script specifying X applications to be run when a VNC desktop is started. If it doesn't exist, vncserver will create a new one which runs a couple of basic applications. |
| 23:24.55 | Nyle | the wonders of typing man <keyword> |
| 23:25.01 | Nyle | oh and reading too |
| 23:25.03 | zelda` | ok IDE 1 is 356 MB and says it's FAT16, and IDE 2 is 11 GB and it's FAT32, that one is windows, so do I use IDE 1 for debian? |
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| 23:25.32 | zelda` | and theres two blank spots and if I press enter on them it just flashes the screen once |
| 23:25.33 | Nyle | zelda`: no |
| 23:25.48 | zelda` | ok, what do I put debian on? |
| 23:25.56 | Nyle | zelda`: have you ever bothered to read the debia installation manual |
| 23:26.02 | Nyle | !ig |
| 23:26.02 | dpkg | I heard "ig" is Installation Guide...see http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/installmanual for Etch 4.0 stable, or http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/installmanual for now oldstable Sarge (3.1). Lenny is now the new Testing! |
| 23:26.11 | zelda` | manual? |
| 23:26.28 | Nyle | anyway |
| 23:26.42 | Patrick2 | Nyle: Any ideas how the default file is created ? See http://pastebin.com/m7b08fbd1 |
| 23:26.44 | zelda` | Ok at the top is IDE1 Master (hda) and what says it's 12 GB |
| 23:26.48 | Nyle | leave the stuff alone and use free space to create a new partition |
| 23:26.58 | Nyle | so you have a 12gb disk |
| 23:27.00 | zelda` | there is no free space, i think |
| 23:27.18 | Nyle | fat16 parition is probably a system pa rition for backup, 11gb is for windows, so you have no free space |
| 23:27.22 | Nyle | that is correct |
| 23:27.24 | Patrick2 | Nyle: I guess I could create a .vnc directory under /etc/skel, but I thought it would be more elegant to try and change the default |
| 23:27.33 | zelda` | ... |
| 23:27.43 | Nyle | Patrick2: you'd have to look at the vnc code |
| 23:27.45 | zelda` | then how do I get debian on |
| 23:27.54 | Nyle | the file is generated and is hardcoded afaik |
| 23:27.58 | Patrick2 | Nyle: Hopefully they haven't hard coded it! |
| 23:28.05 | Nyle | its probably in the patch by the debian team |
| 23:28.14 | Tramp | Patrick2: This looks like the hardcoded one from the vnc4server Perl script. |
| 23:28.19 | Nyle | since it is debian specific so my guess is mayb there you may find the answer |
| 23:28.30 | Tramp | Patrick2: less /usr/bin/vnc4server |
| 23:28.40 | Patrick2 | Tramp: Oh OK, I'll just have a look. Thanks |
| 23:28.49 | zelda` | So is there no way at all to get debian on my laptop |
| 23:29.08 | zelda` | besides over-writing windows |
| 23:29.10 | Nyle | zelda`: yes there is |
| 23:29.22 | Nyle | zelda` resize the windows partition |
| 23:29.31 | zelda` | how do I do that |
| 23:29.39 | wols_ | very carefully |
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| 23:29.40 | Nyle | what FS is on it? |
| 23:29.44 | Nyle | fat32 or ntfs |
| 23:29.45 | zelda` | FAT32 |
| 23:29.56 | zelda` | is that not good |
| 23:29.58 | Nyle | you can probably do that with parted |
| 23:30.07 | Nyle | i dunno |
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| 23:30.22 | Nyle | i got windows tools on boot cds |
| 23:30.26 | zelda` | so i have to exit the installer and go to windows and get the program 'parted'? |
| 23:30.34 | Nyle | no |
| 23:30.43 | Nyle | in the debian installation you can probably resize the parition |
| 23:30.58 | zelda` | press enter over the windows petition? |
| 23:30.58 | Nyle | just hilight partition, press enter and go down to the resize option |
| 23:31.00 | Nyle | I think |
| 23:31.02 | zelda` | ok |
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| 23:31.06 | Nyle | don't listen to me |
| 23:31.11 | Nyle | I don't know what Im talking bout |
| 23:31.12 | Nyle | sorry |
| 23:31.19 | Nyle | (i'm not sure) |
| 23:31.28 | catsup | iirc, Nyle's right, the installer has parted and will use it to resize partitions |
| 23:31.36 | Patrick2 | Tramp: Thanks - I see it's $defaultXStartup. I would have thought copying a file would have been better than hard coding it into the perl script |
| 23:31.49 | Nyle | Patrick2: I'm glad I was wrong |
| 23:31.55 | Nyle | Patrick2: I don't know nothin bout 'puters |
| 23:31.57 | Nyle | :( |
| 23:31.59 | VincentC | can all x aplications be x fowarded across an ssh connection? |
| 23:32.00 | Patrick2 | Tramp: Still, at least it's not a binary :-) |
| 23:32.08 | zelda` | ok, so it's 11.7 GB, how much should I resize it to to have enough space left for windows and debian |
| 23:32.10 | Nyle | VincentC: no |
| 23:32.11 | zelda` | half? |
| 23:32.13 | Patrick2 | Nyle: :-) |
| 23:32.14 | catsup | VincentC: not practically |
| 23:32.27 | Tramp | Patrick2: definitely. Quick and dirty solution. |
| 23:32.45 | zelda` | I'll make it 5.5, thats half of 11 |
| 23:32.48 | VincentC | is there a general rule of thumb i can follow? |
| 23:32.57 | VincentC | or would i have to check each application on a case by case basis |
| 23:32.59 | Nyle | zelda`: you can get away with 2-3gb for debian |
| 23:33.03 | Nyle | as a starndard desktop os |
| 23:33.06 | dondelelcaro | VincentC: almost anything that doesn't need to talk directly with the hardware will work fine. |
| 23:33.07 | catsup | VincentC: if it's 3d, it won't work; if it's video, it will be to slow to work |
| 23:33.09 | Nyle | for /home you may need more |
| 23:33.13 | Patrick2 | Tramp: Indeed! Thanks for your help! It's most appreciated |
| 23:33.18 | holycow | if you don't install any software for windows it will need 3 to 5 gigs |
| 23:33.19 | Tramp | Patrick2: np |
| 23:33.19 | zelda` | So I'll resize it to 7 GB |
| 23:33.21 | Patrick2 | Nyle: Thanks for your help |
| 23:33.22 | catsup | VincentC: that's not strictly true; some 3d things will be too slow to work :) |
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| 23:33.34 | zelda` | 7GB sound good? |
| 23:33.44 | Nyle | zelda`: get a new system :) |
| 23:33.44 | holycow | more than enough |
| 23:33.48 | catsup | VincentC: and if your network is very fast, perhaps video will be fast enough |
| 23:33.55 | Nyle | zelda`: even a 299 dell would be better |
| 23:33.56 | Nyle | :) |
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| 23:34.06 | zelda` | w/e |
| 23:34.11 | Nyle | actually I prefer rdp over vnc |
| 23:34.30 | Nyle | I can watch fullscreen dvds across the network on rdp and its not choppy or laggy. vnc is horrible |
| 23:35.22 | catsup | hm. surely better to stream the dvd data itself |
| 23:35.27 | holycow | they did a good job with rdp indeed |
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| 23:35.36 | wols_ | Nyle: unfortunaltey there is no linux server |
| 23:35.37 | h3sp4wn | ICA amazed me when I used it |
| 23:35.52 | zelda` | Primary or Logical |
| 23:35.55 | Nyle | wols_: yeh, thats the travesty with fucking piece of microsoft shit |
| 23:36.10 | wols_ | zelda`: doesn't matter |
| 23:36.20 | holycow | so does anyone know how servers with 15 sata drives connect the drives to the mobo? i know that the satas plug into a backplane, what goes from the backplane to th emobo? |
| 23:36.26 | h3sp4wn | I think nomachines now supports rdp |
| 23:36.30 | VincentC | can all x aplications be x fowarded across an ssh connection? |
| 23:36.36 | VincentC | erm sorry |
| 23:36.51 | catsup | VincentC: did you know you can share files over an ssh connection? |
| 23:37.12 | catsup | (i don't mean scp, i mean an nfs-style filesystem mount) |
| 23:37.17 | el_isma | Hi! I have directories with names like: "CronologÃa" when it should be "Cronología" (accented "i"). They got that way when I copied them from another system. Is there any way to fix them automatically? |
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| 23:37.28 | Nyle | catsup: kde features something like fish |
| 23:37.36 | Nyle | an ssh mount |
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| 23:37.45 | VincentC | catsup: yeah, i'm making accounts for my classmates because the university doesn't give us nearly enough disk space (50 megs) |
| 23:38.00 | h3sp4wn | VincentC: Yep some are unusable like that though |
| 23:38.03 | wols_ | el_isma: iconv possibly |
| 23:38.07 | catsup | Nyle: that probably uses sshfs, which I'm thinking of |
| 23:38.19 | VincentC | some of them would like to run inkscape and other applications so i'm trying to accomodate |
| 23:38.28 | Nyle | man |
| 23:38.30 | Nyle | this is cool |
| 23:38.36 | Nyle | I kinda like not being high |
| 23:38.47 | amphi | heh |
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| 23:39.37 | h3sp4wn | Nyle: I like either end of the scale (as long as its not a bit then I am ok) |
| 23:39.45 | el_isma | wols_: could work, thanks. I'll need heavy scripting around that one... |
| 23:40.00 | wols_ | yes |
| 23:40.31 | Nyle | h3sp4wn: unfortunately I have no idea what you are talking about |
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| 23:41.07 | catsup | el_isma: you've got names encoded in utf8 you want converted to latin1? |
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| 23:41.40 | zelda` | installing lunix is fun |
| 23:41.41 | redeeman | im getting this error |
| 23:41.43 | redeeman | http://pastebin.ca/827744 |
| 23:41.55 | redeeman | the thing is, i set up apt pinning and have now both stable, testing and unstable |
| 23:42.03 | redeeman | then i got the mmap problem with size, so i raised it in apt.conf |
| 23:42.05 | redeeman | but now i get this |
| 23:42.07 | Nyle | !debstats |
| 23:42.07 | dpkg | i guess debstats is managed by sussudio, or http://debstats.dontexist.org/ |
| 23:42.08 | el_isma | catsup: I really don't know what they're in. I guess I need them to be UTF8 (as fstab says that the filesystem is UTF-8) |
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| 23:42.50 | catsup | el_isma: oh but it looks like within utf8 there is a latin1 name encoded in utf8, you know what i mean? |
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| 23:43.34 | redeeman | any ideas? |
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| 23:43.50 | el_isma | catsup: Not completely, I never quite understood encodings. |
| 23:44.09 | catsup | el_isma: does "ls | iconv -f utf-8 -t latin" do what you want? |
| 23:44.12 | catsup | erm, latin1 |
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| 23:45.33 | catsup | el_isma: what I said was a poor expression anyway, although *I* know what I mean ;) |
| 23:46.17 | el_isma | catsup: Yes, that command prints what I want to see |
| 23:46.39 | jpiccol1 | is there a raid channel? |
| 23:46.43 | Kamping_Kaiser | damn bind files. dont know what to be cross with - vim or bind.either way i'm not ipressed :} |
| 23:46.44 | Claudio32m | is ftp a good way to backup? |
| 23:46.52 | catsup | Claudio32m: rsync |
| 23:46.53 | Claudio32m | to a nas hddd |
| 23:46.54 | Kamping_Kaiser | no, imo |
| 23:47.18 | jpiccol1 | has anyone used mdadm here? |
| 23:47.34 | Kamping_Kaiser | GRRRR! to many comments at the top of a file?? |
| 23:47.45 | catsup | jpiccol1: generally better to just ask your mdadm question |
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| 23:47.49 | redeeman | anyone that can help with the aptitude update problem? |
| 23:47.52 | jpiccol1 | catsup: |
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| 23:48.00 | catsup | redeeman: see my comment to jpiccol1 |
| 23:48.01 | xmen | hi |
| 23:48.24 | jpiccol1 | catsup: ok here is the problem i am getting |
| 23:48.26 | jpiccol1 | ucsserver:/home/jpiccolo# /sbin/mdadm /dev/md0 -a /dev/sdc1 |
| 23:48.26 | jpiccol1 | mdadm: Cannot open /dev/sdc1: Device or resource busy |
| 23:48.41 | redeeman | catsup: what? |
| 23:48.54 | mrrcp | how do i block sub domains or other domains from my server on apache |
| 23:48.55 | mrrcp | ? |
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| 23:49.01 | catsup | jpiccol1: well, have you got a filesystem mounted from sdc1? |
| 23:49.17 | jpiccol1 | catsup: no i just fdisked it |
| 23:49.44 | catsup | did fdisk successfully resync the kernel partition table? |
| 23:50.03 | el_isma | catsup: Any ideas on how to fix it? I can't tell fstab to mount it as latin1 because that would break my other correctly displayed filenames |
| 23:50.11 | jpiccol1 | it said syncing disks. without any errors |
| 23:50.14 | xmen | Anyone use newsgroup? my problem is to find an poster or autoposter of binary on newsgroup. Any idea? |
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| 23:50.57 | pl1 | Is there a debian chat for people doing beowulf clusters? |
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| 23:51.13 | catsup | el_isma: very easy scripting |
| 23:51.14 | zelda` | installing lunix is fun |
| 23:51.55 | Kamping_Kaiser | anyone know if bind can have multiple commment lines at the top of its zone files (i'm thinking 6) |
| 23:52.32 | \amethyst | Kamping_Kaiser: you can have as many as you want |
| 23:52.45 | \amethyst | Kamping_Kaiser: remember that comments start with ; not # |
| 23:52.55 | Kamping_Kaiser | \amethyst, thats what i thought *goes to file a bug on vims syntax highlighting* |
| 23:53.01 | Kamping_Kaiser | thanks for confirming that. |
| 23:53.07 | TeraBoy | I dont get it, are the nvidia kernel drivers not in testing? |
| 23:53.09 | \amethyst | Kamping_Kaiser: works here |
| 23:53.13 | \amethyst | Kamping_Kaiser: vim 7.1 |
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| 23:53.30 | \amethyst | Kamping_Kaiser: do you have a sample file? |
| 23:53.33 | catsup | el_isma: find -exec bash -c 'mv -i "$0" "iconv ... <<< $0"' \; should do it, unless i messed up |
| 23:53.46 | Kamping_Kaiser | \amethyst, when i have 6 lines of comments the file doesnt highlight, 2 it does. using 7.0 |
| 23:53.54 | Kamping_Kaiser | \amethyst, sure. just a moment. |
| 23:54.06 | kickback | how do i configure my termianal to display color text |
| 23:54.20 | catsup | el_isma: I mean to say, find -exec bash -c 'mv -i "$0" "$(iconv ...) <<< $0"' |
| 23:54.36 | \amethyst | Kamping_Kaiser: oh, you mean it's not even detecting it as a zone file? |
| 23:54.38 | el_isma | catsup: thanks, I'll play with that and see if it works |
| 23:54.53 | catsup | put an echo in front of mv |
| 23:55.02 | \amethyst | Kamping_Kaiser: is it not in the standard place? |
| 23:55.07 | catsup | and a |less at the end -- to test it |
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| 23:55.25 | Kamping_Kaiser | \amethyst, no its not in the standard place, but i have another zone file that works pefectly (this one does too when i move the comments to the bottom) |
| 23:56.03 | kickback | i don't have x installed |
| 23:56.15 | kickback | anyone know |
| 23:56.17 | \amethyst | Kamping_Kaiser: Ah, I get the same behaviour |
| 23:56.29 | Kamping_Kaiser | \amethyst, http://paste.debian.net/45348 if i move the 4 text lines in the comment block it stops highlighting |
| 23:56.32 | Kamping_Kaiser | ahk |
| 23:56.38 | VincentC | my swap partition is full even when i just log in, is it possible to adjust partitions after installing debian? |
| 23:56.43 | \amethyst | Kamping_Kaiser: the reason is that the filetype detection script for bindzone files only looks at the first four lines |
| 23:56.54 | catsup | kickback: linux console supports color by default |
| 23:57.12 | catsup | kickback: do you want 'ls' to produce color? |
| 23:57.14 | \amethyst | Kamping_Kaiser: if they didn't, it would have to read though every file of unknown type just to make sure it's not a zone file |
| 23:57.37 | Kamping_Kaiser | \amethyst, oh. thats anoying. |
| 23:57.47 | kickback | catsup, and other things |
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| 23:58.00 | \amethyst | Kamping_Kaiser: A few ways to get around it: |
| 23:58.03 | catsup | kickback: ls --color will make ls produce color |
| 23:58.39 | \amethyst | Kamping_Kaiser: 1. add something to your .vimrc to detect your file based on its filename or its location |
| 23:59.47 | \amethyst | Kamping_Kaiser: 2. Add a comment matching the RE BIND.*named in the first four lines |
