| 00:00.12 | gynterk | waltz: what did you do with your /proc/pci ? |
| 00:00.13 | waltz | let's try a different approach; I need to get the I/O port adresses and IRQs for a serial card, how can I do this? |
| 00:00.27 | waltz | gynterk: er, nothing |
| 00:00.37 | waltz | it's just... not there |
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| 00:00.47 | valdyn | waltz: read the cards manual? |
| 00:01.11 | shamrock | Wow. Just discovered Palantir. Knocks the socks off camserv as a webcam streamer. very nice. |
| 00:01.13 | gynterk | cat /proc/ioports ? |
| 00:01.40 | shamrock | anyone know of a Gnome tool which would allow me to manually turn off the webcam? e.g to interrupt/lock /dev/video0? |
| 00:02.06 | waltz | gynterk: is that the same? |
| 00:02.15 | gynterk | shamrock: scissors? |
| 00:02.22 | valdyn | shamrock: "chmod a-r /dev/video0" |
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| 00:02.43 | jpiccolo | Tramp: how can a hard drive be busy if its not mounted? |
| 00:02.44 | gynterk | waltz: with the same you mean what? |
| 00:02.55 | wald0 | Im wondering if is better for a liveCD system, sidux or live-initramfs |
| 00:02.59 | waltz | gynterk: same output information |
| 00:03.06 | valdyn | shamrock: not sure what the actual purpose is supposed to be.. |
| 00:03.14 | simonrvn | shamrock: nice |
| 00:03.20 | gynterk | test it |
| 00:03.30 | phr0stbite | Blah |
| 00:03.34 | shamrock | valdyn: you cant understant what the use of being able to stop the webcam feeding the streamer wouold be? |
| 00:03.44 | phr0stbite | Does anyone know how to fix these errors? |
| 00:03.48 | phr0stbite | FFS =/ |
| 00:03.49 | gynterk | waltz: those should be addresses i hope |
| 00:03.57 | valdyn | shamrock: no, you didnt tell me that before. |
| 00:04.08 | maher | phr0stbite: what errors? |
| 00:04.08 | Tramp | jpiccolo: probably if it is used to create some virtual block-device (like raid or lvm) |
| 00:04.12 | shamrock | valdyn: tell you what? |
| 00:04.14 | phr0stbite | http://rafb.net/p/hVgtHM54.html <-------------------- |
| 00:04.23 | valdyn | shamrock: why dont you just stop the streamer? |
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| 00:04.26 | phr0stbite | This prog needs ruby to run |
| 00:04.42 | gynterk | debian != ruby |
| 00:04.44 | shamrock | because there is no control to do that. |
| 00:04.44 | gynterk | understand ? |
| 00:04.49 | maher | phr0stbite: no |
| 00:05.05 | phr0stbite | Fuck |
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| 00:05.10 | phr0stbite | Did you even look at the page? |
| 00:05.12 | phr0stbite | .. |
| 00:05.14 | gynterk | no |
| 00:05.18 | waltz | gynterk: I don't see any IRQs |
| 00:05.18 | phr0stbite | Then stfu |
| 00:05.18 | gynterk | to be honest |
| 00:05.22 | phr0stbite | Fag |
| 00:05.28 | gynterk | waltz: only addresses afaik |
| 00:05.29 | jpiccolo | mdadm --zero-superblock /dev/sdc1 |
| 00:05.29 | jpiccolo | mdadm: Couldn't open /dev/sdc1 for write - not zeroing |
| 00:05.30 | simonrvn | ... |
| 00:05.40 | gynterk | waltz: wait a sec |
| 00:05.49 | waltz | hm? |
| 00:05.53 | phr0stbite | Anyone who has any sense should answer |
| 00:06.06 | maher | phr0stbite: google:debian ruby getaddrinfo |
| 00:06.14 | phr0stbite | Not some comic book reading geeky nerd |
| 00:06.40 | phr0stbite | Yeah right, like that wasnt the first 40 things i didnt do |
| 00:06.41 | gynterk | waltz: exactly what ports you need? |
| 00:06.49 | maher | phr0stbite: second link |
| 00:06.57 | valdyn | phr0stbite: that error looks like an exception thrown because a name could not be resolved |
| 00:07.05 | waltz | gynterk: the ones that are being used by the serial card |
| 00:07.08 | valdyn | phr0stbite: not like something being missing/wrong with ruby |
| 00:07.28 | waltz | nevermind, setserial works |
| 00:07.31 | gynterk | :D |
| 00:07.38 | phr0stbite | valdyn - Great! Now if you could only direct me in the path of enlightenment so i can solve it |
| 00:07.41 | phr0stbite | I'd appreciate it |
| 00:07.44 | phr0stbite | Greatly |
| 00:07.45 | simonrvn | is it sunday already? |
| 00:07.45 | phr0stbite | ;o) |
| 00:07.56 | wald0 | anybody has played with live-initramfs ? |
| 00:08.19 | valdyn | phr0stbite: you didnt even tell me which name it actually is |
| 00:08.23 | valdyn | phr0stbite: so im far from that |
| 00:08.28 | phr0stbite | Name of what? |
| 00:08.35 | phr0stbite | The app thats trying to use it? |
| 00:08.38 | valdyn | phr0stbite: the name that cannot be resolved |
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| 00:09.01 | gynterk | ping that god damn addres you are trying to connect ffs! |
| 00:09.02 | phr0stbite | I didnt know what name its trying to resolve. I just pasted what i saw in the console |
| 00:09.13 | maher | phr0stbite: its some libc getaddrinfo vs getnameinfo war |
| 00:09.24 | valdyn | phr0stbite: im not seeing the code -> i cannot fix it ( but this isnt a ruby support channel anyway ) |
| 00:09.43 | phr0stbite | I dont want ruby support |
| 00:09.49 | phr0stbite | I want to get it working |
| 00:09.52 | gynterk | rofl |
| 00:09.56 | phr0stbite | Lets not get my motives confused |
| 00:10.06 | valdyn | phr0stbite: so pay a coder |
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| 00:10.21 | phr0stbite | I dont need to |
| 00:10.24 | Jrabbit | Ugh |
| 00:10.33 | Jrabbit | I don't want ot install XGL |
| 00:10.35 | Jrabbit | :'( |
| 00:10.43 | phr0stbite | Im using debian if that makes me apart of the circle |
| 00:10.45 | phr0stbite | :D |
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| 00:11.17 | gynterk | :D |
| 00:11.26 | phr0stbite | Right ... |
| 00:11.34 | cusco | Jrabbit: you don't need to instal xgl |
| 00:11.35 | phr0stbite | So does anyone have a solution i can USE? |
| 00:11.58 | gynterk | playboy and paper towel... |
| 00:12.09 | Jrabbit | cusco, ATI + Compiz-fusion on lenny |
| 00:12.09 | valdyn | phr0stbite: geez, i told you the error, its not possible to fix a dns lookup error if you dont even know the name that is being looked up |
| 00:12.10 | Jrabbit | Asplain |
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| 00:12.28 | phr0stbite | Ok how do i find out what its t rying to look up? |
| 00:12.34 | Jrabbit | ati wouldn't let me use 1280 x 124 |
| 00:12.34 | jpiccolo | Tramp: how would i delete a lvm? |
| 00:12.36 | valdyn | phr0stbite: you read the code |
| 00:12.38 | crschmidt | A coworker was packaging some code for debian, and he noted in the README that Debian packaging policy stipulates that the utilities we were installing should be installed in /usr/sbin instead of /usr/bin. I don't really understand his reasoning, and I can't find anything in either the Python policy or in the debian policy manual which says which set of scripts hsould be installed in /usr/sbin |
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| 00:12.53 | crschmidt | Does anyone have any idea where he might have gotten the idea from which I could try and learn from? |
| 00:12.56 | gynterk | phr0stbite: paste the 63th line of /usr/lib/ruby/1.8/webrick/utils.rb |
| 00:12.56 | cusco | Jrabbit: you still don't need xgl |
| 00:13.01 | wald0 | im wondering to use live-initramfs or other system to made a livecd... but nobody seems to know about it, or it is bad ? :/ |
| 00:13.07 | gynterk | and +/- 5 lines |
| 00:13.16 | cusco | Jrabbit: the new ati catalyst drivers support glx (xorg module) |
| 00:13.21 | Jrabbit | cusco, it says its IMPOSSIBLE to start compiz on thissystem |
| 00:13.22 | Jrabbit | XD |
| 00:13.22 | crschmidt | I was reading through http://debid.vlsm.org/share/Debian-Doc/debian-policy/ch-files.html with no luck, and I'm not sure where else I should be looking. |
| 00:13.32 | cusco | therefore it is as easy to install as with a nvidia Jrabbit |
| 00:13.48 | Jrabbit | en whats fucked up ? :| |
| 00:13.51 | Jrabbit | th* |
| 00:14.07 | Jrabbit | Maybe its the old one |
| 00:14.11 | Jrabbit | let me check |
| 00:14.25 | Tramp | jpiccolo: lvremove,vgremove,pvremove |
| 00:14.25 | valdyn | !fhs |
| 00:14.26 | dpkg | Debian follows the Filesystem Hierarchy Standard. The filesystem is categorized by purpose, not application. This allows, for example, the easy and efficient deployment of a read-only /usr area across a number of thin clients. See http://www.pathname.com/fhs/ or install the 'debian-policy' package (/usr/share/doc/debian-policy/fhs/*) |
| 00:14.34 | valdyn | crschmidt: read ^^^ |
| 00:14.48 | phr0stbite | gynterk: res = Socket::getaddrinfo(address, port, |
| 00:15.02 | gynterk | check the address part |
| 00:15.21 | cusco | Jrabbit: you probably not using the newer ati driver yet |
| 00:15.22 | phr0stbite | How's about i pate the whole block in the bin |
| 00:15.25 | phr0stbite | Gimmie a sec |
| 00:15.44 | Jrabbit | mm |
| 00:15.50 | phr0stbite | gynterk: http://rafb.net/p/QKDJPR23.html |
| 00:16.03 | gynterk | cat /etc/hosts |
| 00:16.08 | gynterk | is 127.0.0.1 localhost there ? |
| 00:16.18 | phr0stbite | Yes |
| 00:16.32 | cusco | Jrabbit: use these |
| 00:16.34 | cusco | http://ati.amd.com/support/drivers/linux/linux-radeon.html |
| 00:16.38 | phr0stbite | I got that same reply from here: http://blog.innerewut.de/2007/9/23/name-or-service-not-known |
| 00:16.44 | phr0stbite | I made sure it was there |
| 00:16.52 | Jrabbit | 6 min |
| 00:16.53 | Jrabbit | :( |
| 00:16.57 | Jrabbit | but ok |
| 00:16.57 | phr0stbite | And im still getting this stupid error |
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| 00:17.30 | gynterk | find the address |
| 00:17.36 | gynterk | whats bound to this function |
| 00:17.50 | phr0stbite | gynterk: when i launch the program i make it bind to the routers IP |
| 00:17.57 | phr0stbite | which is 10.23.2.3 |
| 00:18.04 | phr0stbite | Could that be the issue? |
| 00:18.11 | gynterk | well yes |
| 00:18.16 | gynterk | afaik it wants address not ip |
| 00:18.21 | phr0stbite | Do i need to add it to /etc/hosts ? |
| 00:18.42 | valdyn | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:18.42 | valdyn | 01:10 < phr0stbite> :D |
| 00:18.47 | valdyn | ops |
| 00:18.53 | gynterk | would be good like 10.23.2.3 myrouter and then try myrouter instead of ip |
| 00:18.55 | eth01 | RX bytes:89323754 (85.1 MiB) TX bytes:74012931 (70.5 MiB) .... that's a lot right? |
| 00:19.00 | *** mode/#debian [+l 758] by debhelper |
| 00:19.02 | phr0stbite | ok |
| 00:19.04 | phr0stbite | I'll add that |
| 00:19.29 | gynterk | since it tries to resolve this name |
| 00:19.30 | neotic | eth01: alot for what? |
| 00:19.35 | eth01 | packets |
| 00:19.44 | eth01 | ping |
| 00:19.51 | gynterk | rofl |
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| 00:20.03 | eth01 | .. |
| 00:20.04 | phr0stbite | gynterk: i get the same error |
| 00:20.05 | phr0stbite | = |
| 00:20.07 | phr0stbite | =/ |
| 00:20.08 | gynterk | hmm |
| 00:20.09 | eth01 | whats so funny? =/ |
| 00:21.01 | cusco | where did you get those stats from eth01 ? |
| 00:21.18 | neotic | cusco: ifconfig |
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| 00:21.49 | valdyn | eth01: that is the total amount of transferred data since the interface was brought up, not "ping" |
| 00:22.03 | cusco | ah yes right ofcourse |
| 00:22.36 | neotic | valdyn: not brought up, since it resets. |
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| 00:23.48 | valdyn | neotic: yea |
| 00:23.53 | disq | got a simple problem with apache2/php5/etch: server will feed me the file if I call it with the .php extension. works OK without the extension. (ie. request http://localhost/i.php and it will dump it, but localhost/i executes the php and displays proper output) |
| 00:24.21 | disq | i'm asking here because it's the default config |
| 00:24.29 | gynterk | phr0stbite: try http://10.23.2.3 |
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| 00:24.57 | gynterk | or http://10.23.2.3/ |
| 00:25.03 | phr0stbite | gynterk: that only goes to my web server |
| 00:25.11 | phr0stbite | I have apache running |
| 00:25.17 | phr0stbite | I set the port for 9004 |
| 00:25.32 | gynterk | or http://10.23.2.3:9004/ then? |
| 00:25.37 | phr0stbite | Yes |
| 00:25.47 | jpiccolo | how do i read syslogd |
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| 00:26.04 | phr0stbite | But it wont go |
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| 00:26.15 | phr0stbite | Im trying to run the metasploit msfweb |
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| 00:27.12 | Jrabbit | cusco, what chmod do I run for being able to run that .run? |
| 00:27.14 | Jrabbit | :( |
| 00:27.30 | cusco | Jrabbit: chmod +x |
| 00:27.44 | phr0stbite | This is so annoying |
| 00:27.54 | gynterk | indeed |
| 00:27.56 | Jrabbit | then ./ati-driver... |
| 00:27.59 | Jrabbit | right? |
| 00:28.00 | cusco | phr0stbite: ask them metasploit guys |
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| 00:28.10 | Jrabbit | I'll run it as sudo to paly save |
| 00:28.51 | phr0stbite | cusco: i would have |
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| 00:29.07 | gynterk | phr0stbite: give me ./script/server line 0 to 7 |
| 00:29.08 | phr0stbite | Except their so faggy that they dont even have a forum or support or nothin |
| 00:29.19 | cusco | disq: you min that http://localhost/i.php dumps the script isntead of executing it while localhost/i executes it? |
| 00:29.30 | *** part/#debian donzilla (n=don@d36-95-44.home1.cgocable.net) |
| 00:29.31 | cusco | disq: that is not default conf! something wrong there |
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| 00:29.39 | phr0stbite | gynterk: where do i get it? |
| 00:29.39 | disq | yes.. found the solution |
| 00:29.43 | disq | magic file was somehow missing from /etc/apache2 |
| 00:29.49 | phr0stbite | I'll let you view it on my web serv |
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| 00:29.53 | gynterk | ./ should be the rood dir of msfweb |
| 00:29.55 | disq | extracted it from /usr/share/doc/apache2.2-common/examples/apache2 and it's ok now |
| 00:30.02 | gynterk | root * |
| 00:30.02 | cusco | ok |
| 00:30.08 | wald0 | live-initramfs VS sidux, what live system is better ? |
| 00:30.13 | disq | but it could be a packaging problem |
| 00:30.30 | disq | httpd.conf was missing too (supposed to be a 0 byte file) |
| 00:30.33 | wols | wald0: neither. debian is |
| 00:30.45 | gynterk | disq: but apache.conf? |
| 00:31.08 | disq | apache2.conf was there and filled. but it has a "include httpd.conf" statement there somewhere which breaks it |
| 00:31.11 | phr0stbite | gynterk: only thing in the scripts dir is this: |
| 00:31.12 | phr0stbite | meterpreter |
| 00:31.37 | jm|laptop | huh? |
| 00:32.19 | phr0stbite | the console works btw |
| 00:32.24 | phr0stbite | Just not the web |
| 00:32.32 | kbrooks | UM |
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| 00:32.55 | kbrooks | sparr, ping. i was away, and didnt see ur answer. mind repasting it? |
| 00:32.59 | gynterk | what version of metasploit msfweb do you have? |
| 00:33.03 | phr0stbite | 3 |
| 00:33.21 | phr0stbite | This one requires _ruby_ |
| 00:33.45 | phr0stbite | Which i think is totally Gayness cause it was fine before they added a bunch of shit that wont even run |
| 00:34.04 | Jrabbit | cusco, still borked |
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| 00:34.20 | cusco | Jrabbit: what is wrong? |
| 00:34.20 | Jrabbit | well |
| 00:34.27 | Jrabbit | I have a ibgger problem |
| 00:34.28 | gynterk | what version of ruby you have? |
| 00:34.43 | cusco | Jrabbit: did you manage to install the driver? |
| 00:34.51 | Jrabbit | yes |
| 00:34.51 | jpiccolo | how do i read the syslog |
| 00:34.53 | jpiccolo | ? |
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| 00:34.57 | Hypergraphe | hi there |
| 00:34.58 | Jrabbit | donno if it worked tbh |
| 00:35.02 | Jrabbit | but |
| 00:35.02 | cusco | Jrabbit: less /var/log/syslog |
| 00:35.06 | Hypergraphe | can you help me please ? |
| 00:35.11 | Jrabbit | I need to work on something else now |
| 00:35.15 | Jrabbit | Wireless |
| 00:35.17 | simonrvn | !tell Hypergraphe -about ask |
| 00:35.18 | phr0stbite | gynterk: [2007-12-22 17:35:28] INFO ruby 1.8.5 (2006-08-25) [i486-linux] |
| 00:35.23 | cusco | Jrabbit: what about it |
| 00:35.24 | Jrabbit | GASP |
| 00:35.30 | wald0 | wols: ok, both is debian, but what is better to use for a live system ? |
| 00:35.34 | Jrabbit | My chip doesn't seem to work at all |
| 00:35.35 | Hypergraphe | is it possible to have a boot output in debian with color & the debian logo |
| 00:35.41 | Hypergraphe | like in redhat or knoppix |
| 00:35.42 | Jrabbit | And nm is lammme |
| 00:36.02 | simonrvn | Hypergraphe: you mean splashy or bootsplash or such? |
| 00:36.05 | simonrvn | sure |
| 00:36.07 | Jrabbit | It doesn't appread in iwconfig |
| 00:36.09 | Hypergraphe | yeah |
| 00:36.15 | Hypergraphe | but i just want text |
| 00:36.19 | Hypergraphe | with colour |
| 00:36.20 | cusco | Jrabbit: the chip does not work? replace it |
| 00:36.25 | cusco | go to the shop! |
| 00:36.26 | Hypergraphe | and a little debien log in top |
| 00:36.31 | Jrabbit | and I can't find Network settings in System -> Admin |
| 00:36.38 | Jrabbit | cusco, Its fine |
| 00:36.42 | Jrabbit | Works in windows |
| 00:36.44 | Hypergraphe | debian* logo* |
| 00:36.46 | Jrabbit | Worked on debian |
| 00:36.48 | Jrabbit | *ubuntu |
| 00:36.58 | simonrvn | Hypergraphe: the logo is a patch, linux-patch-debianlogo or such name |
| 00:36.59 | Jrabbit | Its a USB atmel |
| 00:37.33 | cusco | Jrabbit: did you install its driver? |
| 00:37.42 | Jrabbit | uh no. |
| 00:37.49 | Jrabbit | At76- provides support |
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| 00:38.13 | Jrabbit | I can't rember the .deb that bastardized the name |
| 00:38.21 | jelly-ho | !tell Jrabbit about at76_usb |
| 00:38.35 | jelly-ho | that one? |
| 00:38.43 | Jrabbit | Not a package. |
| 00:38.44 | Hypergraphe | ok so simonrvn do i need to use splashy ? |
| 00:38.49 | Hypergraphe | with the patch ? |
| 00:38.55 | cusco | I dunno what is at76, do you know what chipset the wifi usb dongle is? |
| 00:39.03 | cusco | atmel! right |
| 00:39.14 | Jrabbit | XD |
| 00:39.24 | simonrvn | Hypergraphe: probably not ;) |
| 00:39.46 | Jrabbit | Can you explain why all of the admin tools in System -> Admin. Are gone? |
| 00:39.46 | cusco | Jrabbit: go read http://at76c503a.berlios.de/ |
| 00:39.50 | phr0stbite | Gahhhhhhhhhhhhh |
| 00:39.57 | Hypergraphe | ok thks |
| 00:40.00 | jelly-ho | Jrabbit: what do you mean, not a package? well, you use m-a to create the binary package out of "Packaged in Debian as 'at76c503a-source'. Ask me about <atmel usb devices>." |
| 00:40.19 | phr0stbite | And then i'll make their friends eat em |
| 00:40.25 | gynterk | i'm just curious but where the hell is scripts/server :S |
| 00:40.38 | phr0stbite | gynterk: me too |
| 00:40.39 | Jrabbit | I searth at76 its no where. |
| 00:40.41 | Jrabbit | <>< |
| 00:40.44 | phr0stbite | There's no support on this |
| 00:40.50 | phr0stbite | I dont fucken believe it |
| 00:41.05 | phr0stbite | Those fuck heads dont even have a email |
| 00:41.26 | cusco | ofcourse not |
| 00:41.39 | gynterk | they have mailing list |
| 00:41.40 | cusco | they're publishing evil exploits |
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| 00:41.52 | cusco | can you imagine somebody sending loads of hatemail? I can! |
| 00:42.16 | Hypergraphe | simonrvn, i installed the patch with apt & i rebbot |
| 00:42.17 | phr0stbite | They deserve to be flamed |
| 00:42.19 | Hypergraphe | reboot |
| 00:42.22 | Hypergraphe | no changes |
| 00:42.26 | phr0stbite | Write code, provide support |
| 00:42.29 | phr0stbite | Or get horse fucked |
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| 00:42.52 | cusco | phr0stbite: you're getting out of line |
| 00:42.58 | fengor | phr0stbite: language, keep your animal friendliness to yourself please |
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| 00:43.07 | cusco | you are the one wanting to use THEIR code |
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| 00:43.34 | phr0stbite | Yeah and since im not paying for it and im all for open source i deserve to be treated as if i paid them |
| 00:43.35 | phr0stbite | So =P |
| 00:43.38 | cusco | so they give it to you anyway they want, you only might not take it |
| 00:44.01 | Jrabbit | there is no package of it |
| 00:44.01 | cusco | no you don't deserve any treatment at all |
| 00:44.04 | fengor | phr0stbite: you get what you pay for. you dont have any right to be treated as a paying customer unless you split over some bucks |
| 00:44.15 | Jrabbit | *a |
| 00:44.25 | cusco | Jrabbit: just compile it |
| 00:44.30 | cusco | you need the binary firmware anyway |
| 00:44.40 | phr0stbite | Hell, when i waste bandwidth d/l it that should be considered $$ in their pockets :D |
| 00:44.44 | gynterk | script/server:3 is require 'commands/server' |
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| 00:45.01 | phr0stbite | gynterk: that dir isnt in there |
| 00:45.03 | Jrabbit | cusco, atmel-firmware? |
| 00:45.08 | fengor | bandwith is cheap and noone forced you to do so |
| 00:45.15 | gynterk | phr0stbite: no shit.. |
| 00:45.19 | Jrabbit | W/e |
| 00:45.19 | jelly-ho | Jrabbit: berlios is just their hosting. Have you even taken a look at what dpkg (the bot) told you about at76c503a-source? |
| 00:45.27 | gynterk | I think that might be the problem |
| 00:45.35 | phr0stbite | It isnt a deb package |
| 00:45.40 | gynterk | i know |
| 00:45.42 | phr0stbite | So wtf =/ |
| 00:45.43 | techouse | <phr0stbite> Yeah and since im not paying for it and im all for open source i deserve to be treated as if i paid them <--- this one should be quoted |
| 00:45.48 | Jrabbit | Yes. |
| 00:45.49 | cusco | Jrabbit: just download their source, apt-get install build-essential linux-headers-$(uname -r); make; make install |
| 00:45.51 | Jrabbit | your not helping |
| 00:45.51 | gynterk | get windows version see if this file is there :D |
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| 00:45.58 | Jrabbit | @ jelly-ho ho |
| 00:46.09 | Jrabbit | what |
| 00:46.09 | phr0stbite | k |
| 00:46.17 | Jrabbit | cusco, huh? |
| 00:46.18 | phr0stbite | techouse: =P |
| 00:46.24 | jelly-ho | Jrabbit: /msg dpkg at76_usb |
| 00:46.34 | cusco | Jrabbit: you should go and read .... |
| 00:46.46 | gynterk | ah wah gread |
| 00:46.51 | gynterk | retarded .exe files |
| 00:46.52 | Jrabbit | I've read all that jelly-ho |
| 00:47.03 | Jrabbit | Please stop spamming me with shit I know about |
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| 00:47.29 | jelly-ho | Jrabbit: and you know how to build the package w/ m-a? |
| 00:47.32 | phr0stbite | I have nothing against windows |
| 00:47.43 | crschmidt | valdyn: hm, thanks for the lik. I guess in this case it's just that he and I have a matter of opinion difference :) |
| 00:47.45 | phr0stbite | More idiots use it |
| 00:47.53 | phr0stbite | Which puts $$ in my checking account |
| 00:47.55 | gynterk | well I have |
| 00:47.57 | gynterk | as I said |
| 00:47.59 | gynterk | before |
| 00:47.59 | phr0stbite | So yay for MS |
| 00:48.00 | phr0stbite | :D |
| 00:48.09 | cusco | Jrabbit: I don't think that is "shit" nor that you actually know about it |
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| 00:48.18 | gynterk | [01:33:32] <gynterk> I don't use Windows because typing serial number/key takes too long time |
| 00:48.20 | cusco | if you did you wouldn't even be here |
| 00:48.30 | phr0stbite | lol gynterk |
| 00:48.33 | crschmidt | valdyn: I suppose that the question is what "used exclusively by the system administrator" means, if the FHS is what led the decision. |
| 00:48.45 | phr0stbite | All my serials are pirated, so i guess i can live with it |
| 00:48.52 | phr0stbite | :D |
| 00:48.55 | gynterk | piracy sucks |
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| 00:49.16 | phr0stbite | Something else that puts $$ in my pockets |
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| 00:49.56 | Jrabbit | I installed At76 easily before |
| 00:49.58 | gynterk | well since there is no commands/server you can start spamming metasploit mailing list |
| 00:50.03 | phr0stbite | gynterk: installing on my win machine |
| 00:50.07 | Jrabbit | back when ubuntu created stable rleases |
| 00:50.47 | gynterk | since as you know, a search function to mailing list arhcive is quite pointless add-on |
| 00:50.53 | gynterk | its easier to check all 2000 pages |
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| 00:52.05 | phr0stbite | It worked |
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| 00:52.20 | gynterk | hmm |
| 00:52.21 | jelly-ho | gynterk: gmane.org |
| 00:52.29 | phr0stbite | For Windows tho |
| 00:52.33 | phr0stbite | lool |
| 00:52.41 | phr0stbite | Cant say the same for debian |
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| 00:53.24 | gynterk | check for /data/msfweb/script/commands/server |
| 00:53.36 | gynterk | or there was only some retarded .exe installer ? |
| 00:53.39 | phr0stbite | k |
| 00:53.41 | phr0stbite | Hold |
| 00:54.15 | phr0stbite | No data folder |
| 00:54.22 | jelly-ho | gynterk: (that's a provider to create a searchable archive of their own list) |
| 00:54.49 | phr0stbite | bin lib svnconf framework share tools |
| 00:55.18 | gynterk | framework/base |
| 00:55.29 | gynterk | sorry |
| 00:55.32 | jpiccolo | anyone know a fast way to wipe a drive completely including the superblocks? |
| 00:55.34 | gynterk | framework/data :D |
| 00:55.45 | gynterk | jpiccolo: use mircrowave |
| 00:56.05 | jpiccolo | very helpful thanks |
| 00:56.22 | biopyte | i just changed from vesa to the intel driver for the X3100 onboard graphics. some things work better now (xine video), others are worse. somehow the gnome screen shrinked and does nut fully use the 1280x800 resolution. dpkg-reconfigure didnt help. any idea? |
| 00:56.25 | phr0stbite | gynterk: ok that worked |
| 00:56.30 | phr0stbite | framework/data |
| 00:56.43 | phr0stbite | msfweb is in there too |
| 00:56.47 | gynterk | framework/data/msfweb/script/commands/server |
| 00:56.53 | fengor | jpiccolo: thermite |
| 00:57.22 | pingouin | do i need to create a .xinitrc, or a .xsession to lauch Xorg with a startx after the boot ? (i dont get the difference beetween the both) |
| 00:57.32 | phr0stbite | gynterk: nope |
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| 00:57.54 | wols | wald0: neither only debian is debian, and what you mentioned isn' debian |
| 00:57.55 | gynterk | pinggouin get gdm, kdm or xdm |
| 00:57.58 | wols | !sidux |
| 00:57.58 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, sidux is a GNU/Linux Live CD distribution based on Debian's <unstable> branch. Go /join #sidux @ irc.oftc.net. See also <based on Debian caveats>. |
| 00:58.05 | phr0stbite | framework/data/msfweb/script/ then there is .svn process and performance |
| 00:58.06 | fengor | apart from that enough repeats of dd if=/dev/urandom of=/dev/hdX might do it althoug im sure there are faster an dmore secure apps for it available |
| 00:58.14 | gynterk | crap |
| 00:58.18 | gynterk | then I'm out of ideas |
| 00:58.37 | phr0stbite | Whats the name of the file your looking for |
| 00:58.40 | phr0stbite | I can search for it |
| 00:59.08 | gynterk | phr0stbite: get SILC client and and visit metasploit @ silc.hick.org |
| 00:59.15 | gynterk | its server |
| 00:59.27 | pingouin | gynterk: thanks, but i dont want a graphic manager for that |
| 00:59.54 | gynterk | you just want to run xorg after logging in via term ? |
| 01:00.07 | pingouin | yes |
| 01:00.17 | pingouin | boot->log->starx |
| 01:00.17 | jpiccolo | so dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/hda1 bs=512 & is the best option? |
| 01:00.20 | phr0stbite | ok gynterk |
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| 01:00.30 | phr0stbite | Is silc a gui chat prog? |
| 01:00.51 | gynterk | add startx to .bashrc ? |
| 01:01.08 | gynterk | phr0stbite: have no idea, never used it :D |
| 01:01.10 | DeathWolf | hello all, I'm having a problem with my xorg server's configuration, which seems to be empty, and 'dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg' just gives me a platonic error message when ending ( error while preparing new Xorg X server) |
| 01:01.19 | DeathWolf | I tried dexconf but it does not do a thing |
| 01:01.21 | pingouin | i did not add startx to .bashrc |
| 01:01.33 | gynterk | Death purge and reinstall |
| 01:01.34 | gynterk | :D |
| 01:01.38 | DeathWolf | meh |
| 01:01.38 | DeathWolf | ok |
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| 01:02.09 | gynterk | and you might chec /etc/X11 permissions |
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| 01:02.23 | dutchfish | DeathWolf, tried apt-get install --reinstall xserver-xorg ? |
| 01:02.23 | DeathWolf | ok |
| 01:02.27 | Jrabbit | Hmmph, none of this works |
| 01:02.27 | DeathWolf | trying now |
| 01:02.34 | Jrabbit | fuck it I'm going to ndis wrapper |
| 01:02.37 | fengor | jpiccolo: no it is not the best option but will probably do the job if repeated enough |
| 01:02.40 | gynterk | ;D |
| 01:02.55 | bazz | so, i'm behind a firewall. it's blocking all kinds of outgoing ports. i'd like a list of which ones are blocked and which aren't. i can ssh to a machine outside the firewall that i have root on. is there a clever way i can list all open/blocked ports? |
| 01:02.56 | fengor | i suggest if=/dev/urandom and at least 5 repeats |
| 01:03.02 | DeathWolf | purge did not work |
| 01:03.04 | phr0stbite | Ok thanx for your help gynterk |
| 01:03.04 | DeathWolf | trying reinstall now |
| 01:03.14 | phr0stbite | Im sure they'll pick up where you left off :D |
| 01:03.19 | fengor | or searching apt-cache for a drive wipe application |
| 01:03.23 | DeathWolf | permissions look fine too |
| 01:03.23 | DeathWolf | drwxr-xr-x 10 root root 4096 2007-12-23 02:02 X11 |
| 01:03.45 | phr0stbite | And when i get it going i'll swoop by your crib and smoke a few bluntz with ya if your into that shit ;o) |
| 01:03.50 | DeathWolf | nope |
| 01:03.53 | phr0stbite | Maybe pick up some chix too |
| 01:03.55 | DeathWolf | it's all still an empty X11 file:( |
| 01:04.01 | phr0stbite | Anywho |
| 01:04.05 | phr0stbite | Im off |
| 01:04.06 | DeathWolf | *xorg.conf |
| 01:04.08 | phr0stbite | Peace |
| 01:04.24 | DeathWolf | I do not understand why dpkg fails on configuring it... |
| 01:04.25 | Cr3ature | X has some HEAVY screensavers |
| 01:04.38 | Cr3ature | who can run the GLBlur without slowness |
| 01:04.52 | gynterk | what dmesg shows ? |
| 01:05.02 | DeathWolf | nothing... |
| 01:05.05 | gynterk | sorry |
| 01:05.07 | gynterk | wrong window :D |
| 01:05.11 | gynterk | not you :D |
| 01:05.18 | DeathWolf | :/ |
| 01:05.25 | gynterk | hmm |
| 01:05.28 | DeathWolf | full error is: xserver-xorg postinst warning: error while preparing new Xorg X server configuration file in /etc/X11/xorg.conf.dpkg-new; not attempting to update existing configuration |
| 01:05.38 | DeathWolf | well, not really an error, since it says warning |
| 01:05.42 | DeathWolf | but it still fails to create the file... |
| 01:06.48 | multi_io | bazz: iptables -L |
| 01:07.44 | dutchfish | DeathWolf, rm /etc/X11/xorg.conf && apt-get install --reinstall xserver-xorg |
| 01:08.06 | bazz | multi_io: won't that just give me the rules on my remote machine? |
| 01:08.13 | jelly-ho | fengor: wtf? He's not looking for a safe-erase app, just a way to delete (lvm or md) metadata |
| 01:08.40 | DeathWolf | doing it dutchfish |
| 01:09.00 | DeathWolf | no more xorg.conf file dutchfish |
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| 01:09.04 | gynterk | DeathWolf: run dexconf |
| 01:09.05 | DeathWolf | it did not recreate any |
| 01:09.07 | DeathWolf | ok |
| 01:09.18 | multi_io | bazz: oh, wait. I didn't realize you couldn't ssh into the firewall |
| 01:09.19 | DeathWolf | still no xorg.conf |
| 01:09.24 | fengor | sorry jelly-ho misinterpreted his wipe a drive compeltely then |
| 01:09.32 | wald0 | wols: live-initramfs is officially debian |
| 01:09.33 | DeathWolf | dexconf returned to the prompt after a second or so |
| 01:09.38 | LimCore | uhm... you are aware that debian fails to provide working fonts for latin charset (poland), letters like ż ź are often as blank rectangles on default installtion (GUI desktop / menus font) |
| 01:09.45 | bazz | multi_io: yeah |
| 01:09.46 | dutchfish | DeathWolf, try dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg now |
| 01:10.14 | DeathWolf | same error |
| 01:10.20 | DeathWolf | and no xorg.conf |
| 01:10.35 | gynterk | are you root? |
| 01:10.37 | DeathWolf | yes |
| 01:10.53 | gynterk | do dpkg --purge xserver-xorg |
| 01:10.54 | DeathWolf | wouldnt even let me run apt otherwise. |
| 01:11.00 | gynterk | and apt-get install xserver-xorg |
| 01:11.09 | multi_io | bazz: maybe nmap can help? |
| 01:11.22 | DeathWolf | aye, doing it, but I'm betting same result |
| 01:11.27 | multi_io | well, I'm not sure |
| 01:12.30 | jelly-ho | LimCore: you should report that as a bug for the debian installer, I think |
| 01:12.34 | Tramp | bazz: run tcpdump on the machine you are root. Then scan from the machine inside the firewall. See, which scans get through. Alternatively, ask the guy who runs the firewall |
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| 01:12.56 | multi_io | bazz: you could use iptables to set up logging of all incoming packets on the outside machine, then nmap to it from the inside machine |
| 01:13.30 | multi_io | bazz: yeah, or tcpdump instead of iptables on the outside machine, like Tramp says |
| 01:13.43 | jelly-ho | LimCore: as a workaround, you can install eg. ttf-dejavu and set your graphic environment (Gnome?) to use the DejaVu font |
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| 01:14.13 | gynterk | utf ftw... |
| 01:14.15 | LimCore | jelly-ho: on this box, it is broken in open offie now |
| 01:14.20 | DeathWolf | -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 0 2007-12-23 02:14 /etc/X11/xorg.conf |
| 01:14.22 | DeathWolf | again:/ |
| 01:14.27 | bazz | Tramp: ahh, yeah, that's a good idea. if there a particular nmap scan type that would show up the best? |
| 01:14.30 | DeathWolf | (with the warning again) |
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| 01:14.37 | gynterk | DeathWolf what xorg version= |
| 01:14.40 | gynterk | ? |
| 01:14.47 | LimCore | jelly-ho: but it amazes me how such obvious bug can exist for year(s)... is the bug reporting / community QA model not working or what |
| 01:14.58 | DeathWolf | ii xserver-xorg 1:7.3+8 the X.Org X server |
| 01:15.17 | gynterk | lenny? |
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| 01:15.25 | DeathWolf | sid |
| 01:15.31 | gynterk | hmm |
| 01:15.40 | LimCore | how to rebuild all font caches and related things? |
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| 01:16.23 | DeathWolf | I'm betting the problem is that dexconf does not seem to be doing a damn thing |
| 01:16.38 | gynterk | syslog doesn't show something? |
| 01:16.51 | DeathWolf | nope |
| 01:16.55 | DeathWolf | nothing at all |
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| 01:20.06 | Tramp | bazz: shouldn't matter. slow tcp connection scan might generate the least attention. Note though that the guy running the firewall may not like, what you do. Most probably he will not notice it though |
| 01:20.16 | jelly-ho | LimCore: for truetype fonts, run "fc-cache" I think. Re: QA, for starters, if nobody reports it (and not check the BTS to see if it's already reported), it won't work. And then there really are bugs that hang around in the BTS for years, for various reasons. |
| 01:20.25 | dutchfish | DeathWolf, http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=373961 |
| 01:20.26 | bazz | Tramp: nod nod |
| 01:20.46 | crschmidt | So, how do people typically right manpages? |
| 01:20.57 | crschmidt | write. Ugh. Sorry. |
| 01:20.59 | biopyte | how do i pass vga=871 to grub during boot? i mean, what command is needed? |
| 01:21.11 | biopyte | geometry |
| 01:21.12 | biopyte | ? |
| 01:21.20 | LimCore | still broken after fc-cache.... damn |
| 01:21.48 | jelly-ho | LimCore: have you added a font? maybe your app needs to be restarted. |
| 01:21.49 | dutchfish | LimCore, did you try dpkg-reconfigure locales? |
| 01:21.55 | bazz | wow, this firewall has *everything* except 21 and 80 blocked/proxied |
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| 01:22.31 | LimCore | jelly-ho: dutchfish: I didnt change anything about fonts... ok let me reconfigure locales... but |
| 01:22.35 | LimCore | dutchfish: it works fine with other font |
| 01:22.40 | LimCore | it fails for Bitstream * |
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| 01:23.36 | gynterk | DeathWolf: I have no idea, have you ever got X11 working |
| 01:23.54 | jelly-ho | LimCore: all the fonts from Bitstream family? even DejaVu? |
| 01:23.55 | dutchfish | gynterk, its a known bug: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=373961 |
| 01:24.03 | gynterk | i see |
| 01:24.04 | DeathWolf | no gynterk |
| 01:24.08 | DeathWolf | I was trying to get it running:( |
| 01:24.10 | gynterk | DeathWolf: so downgrade |
| 01:24.14 | gynterk | to etch or lenny |
| 01:24.17 | DeathWolf | meh |
| 01:24.29 | DeathWolf | I wonder if I can get just xserver-xorg to downgrade |
| 01:24.34 | gynterk | or edit manually |
| 01:24.36 | dutchfish | DeathWolf, try: dpkg -P --force-depends xserver-xorg && apt-get install xserver-xorg |
| 01:24.45 | gynterk | ye |
| 01:24.47 | jelly-ho | LimCore: if you read the description for ttf-bitstream-vera package, you'll see "limited support for Eastern European languages (parts of ISO-8859-2)." |
| 01:24.47 | LimCore | jelly-ho: DejaVu is ok |
| 01:24.58 | LimCore | jelly-ho: it worked this morning |
| 01:25.17 | LimCore | jelly-ho: PARTIALLY SUPPORT FOR latin 2 ? O_____o ?! wt...... |
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| 01:25.32 | LimCore | there are like 10 glyps in there to do... its too hard for them? O_O |
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| 01:25.46 | LimCore | and all besides ó seem to work... and ó worked this morning |
| 01:26.02 | DeathWolf | so let's say I add back etch or lenny in my apt sources list... after my sid entries. How do I tell apt to just install the downgraded xorg? |
| 01:26.25 | jelly-ho | LimCore: It's not too hard. That's why some people (not of bitstream) created dejavu which has a lot more glyphs |
| 01:26.36 | Cr3ature | glTail is AWESOME! :D |
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| 01:27.41 | gynterk | [03:25:10] <dutchfish> DeathWolf, try: dpkg -P --force-depends xserver-xorg && apt-get install xserver-xorg |
| 01:27.46 | DeathWolf | I tried |
| 01:27.48 | DeathWolf | same problem |
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| 01:28.27 | gynterk | rofl |
| 01:28.32 | gynterk | bigfoot-[03:25:10] <dutchfish> DeathWolf, try: dpkg -P --force-depends xserver-xorg && apt-get install xserver-xorg |
| 01:28.34 | gynterk | sorry |
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| 01:29.23 | jelly-ho | LimCore: I just tell my browser to use dejavu (or some of the microsoft fonts) |
| 01:29.37 | gynterk | brb |
| 01:29.48 | LimCore | so what is the best core font to use in open source documents then? |
| 01:29.51 | LimCore | dejavu? |
| 01:31.31 | jelly-ho | depends on the required glyph subset, I guess |
| 01:31.42 | kbrooks | How do I determine whether a user is in a particular group? |
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| 01:31.56 | DeathWolf | :( |
| 01:32.00 | kbrooks | e.g. "is a user in the probation group?" |
| 01:32.26 | dutchfish | DeathWolf, and another one simulair: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=457504 |
| 01:32.28 | jelly-ho | kbrooks: id username |
| 01:32.29 | DeathWolf | What package contains debconf? |
| 01:32.47 | jelly-ho | DeathWolf: debconf |
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| 01:33.31 | jelly-ho | DeathWolf: or cdebconf. |
| 01:33.50 | DeathWolf | I'm going to try to see if I can use these simple xorg.conf from around, did not want to have to touch at xorg.conf:/ |
| 01:35.34 | Claudio32m | i'm considering giving out free linux shells from one of my systems to the public for educational purposes, do you guys think people will abuse of this? |
| 01:36.09 | Claudio32m | or can it be controlled and limited |
| 01:36.13 | kbrooks | Claudio32m, i do the free shell thing right now |
| 01:36.22 | Claudio32m | kbrooks - hows your experience? |
| 01:37.10 | DeathWolf | The xorg.conf hell starts... |
| 01:37.23 | kbrooks | Claudio32m, it can be controlled/limited, but the best way overall to limit a person is to find and remove insecure applications and to put new users in a group that you can limit |
| 01:37.48 | Claudio32m | kbrooks - is it easy to find people to use it? |
| 01:37.52 | Claudio32m | how many do you have about |
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| 01:38.21 | robin_sz | is there some way to log the comms on a serial port to a file? |
| 01:38.41 | robin_sz | im keen to see what goes in/out of /dev/ttyS0 |
| 01:38.45 | kbrooks | Claudio32m, right now 6 |
| 01:38.50 | DeathWolf | so... |
| 01:39.01 | DeathWolf | how do I downgrade xorg-server to an old one without downgrading everything else? |
| 01:39.12 | DeathWolf | I do not need a recent one... I just need a working one:/ |
| 01:39.23 | Claudio32m | kbrooks - did you follow any general guidelines from a book or url? i'd like to have a guide other than my own knowledge |
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| 01:39.27 | DeathWolf | (there isnt even a monitor connected, so no monitor crap...) |
| 01:39.41 | kbrooks | Claudio32m, not really |
| 01:39.53 | robin_sz | serial port logging shoudl not be so hard |
| 01:40.13 | Claudio32m | kbrooks - kbrooks, just curious.. what kind of hardware is it running on ? mine is an p3 system i'm planning on using |
| 01:40.27 | kbrooks | Claudio32m, same here |
| 01:40.54 | dutchfish | robin_sz, collectd can do just that |
| 01:40.56 | Claudio32m | kbrooks - cool.. thanks for sharing :) I'll start planning it |
| 01:41.00 | kbrooks | Claudio32m, i can help w/ the limits |
| 01:41.05 | Claudio32m | i think its a good learning experience |
| 01:41.15 | kbrooks | Claudio32m, it is |
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| 01:41.48 | dutchfish | robin_sz, or ttylog |
| 01:41.49 | Claudio32m | kbrooks - is the worse that can happen that someone gets root access and wipes everthing off? or worse, gets access to other computers on my network? |
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| 01:42.04 | Kamping_Kaiser | did someone ping me in the last day or so? |
| 01:42.05 | Cr3ature | how do you install mutt? |
| 01:42.22 | aarcane | Hii, how do I completely reinstall samba as if I had never typed apt-get install samba before. including creating and overwriting everything in /etc/samba, adding users to the samba database, etc.. ? |
| 01:42.31 | kbrooks | Claudio32m, you can reduce the chance of these 2 things occuring with the group thing... |
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| 01:43.20 | Claudio32m | so when i adduser i also assign him/her to a group which has limits impososed on it? |
| 01:43.20 | kbrooks | Claudio32m, it is FAR more easier to control a group of users than it is to control many individual users |
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| 01:43.59 | kbrooks | Claudio32m, well, /etc/adduser.conf can help you sidestep the complicated command line that you miight forget to write each time |
| 01:44.00 | Claudio32m | i remember, there's a file that has those restrictions on it |
| 01:44.10 | Claudio32m | cool |
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| 01:44.13 | Admiral_Ackbar | IT'S A TRAP! |
| 01:44.21 | kbrooks | Claudio32m, the revelant settings are |
| 01:45.01 | kbrooks | Claudio32m, USERGROUPS=no and USER_GID=.... |
| 01:45.18 | robin_sz | dutchfish, thanks :) |
| 01:45.27 | kbrooks | Claudio32m, where the latter seting is a number representing a group in /etc/group |
| 01:46.02 | Claudio32m | kbrooks - do you do any user validation before giving access? like verification, email ,phone, etc? |
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| 01:47.04 | kbrooks | Claudio32m, not yet. i'm interested in doing so though, esp that i have a custom program that i can modify to add those things |
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| 01:47.37 | Claudio32m | kbrooks - is bandwith usage a factor in your case? |
| 01:48.25 | kbrooks | Claudio32m, i believe so, but i have not got any cases of overusing bandwith just yet |
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| 01:48.38 | Claudio32m | kbrooks - allright.. thanks :) |
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| 01:48.57 | kbrooks | Claudio32m, if you need me, e-mail me at anotequaltob at gmail dot com |
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| 01:49.20 | Claudio32m | i'll note it down right now |
| 01:49.32 | Claudio32m | whereabouts are you located? |
| 01:49.33 | kbrooks | Claudio32m, and np :-) |
| 01:49.35 | Claudio32m | i'm in canada |
| 01:49.37 | kbrooks | Claudio32m, canada |
| 01:49.46 | Claudio32m | lol |
| 01:50.29 | Claudio32m | i'm eastern canada |
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| 01:51.16 | kbrooks | Claudio32m, in the adduser.conf file, you'll notice SKEL. please figure out how to take advantage of that - you might just make your user happy ;-) |
| 01:52.37 | kbrooks | Claudio32m, if you combine that with denying internet access to users of that particular group and removing applications that are or could potentially be insecure |
| 01:52.53 | kbrooks | Claudio32m, (i do) |
| 01:54.47 | Claudio32m | when i remove risky applications are they off from the system all together? meaning even my own user or root can't acccess them? or is it a group limitation thing? |
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| 01:55.12 | kbrooks | Claudio32m, by "remove", i mean just tthat - delete them.. gone. bye bye. |
| 01:55.38 | kbrooks | Claudio32m, there are other places for such applications |
| 01:55.58 | Claudio32m | other systems |
| 01:56.06 | kbrooks | Claudio32m, right |
| 01:56.32 | DeathWolf | is there anything but vnc and freenx for permanent remote sessions? |
| 01:56.36 | DeathWolf | I think this is all turning me insane:/ |
| 01:56.54 | Guerin | DeathWolf: ssh |
| 01:57.03 | DeathWolf | I obviouslymeant with X. |
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| 01:57.10 | Guerin | DeathWolf: or xdmcp, depending on what you like |
| 01:57.17 | Guerin | DeathWolf: i obviously did too |
| 01:57.25 | DeathWolf | How does SSH do that? |
| 01:57.29 | Guerin | man ssh |
| 01:57.33 | DeathWolf | I mean, once I kill my ssh connection |
| 01:57.34 | Guerin | it's all data |
| 01:57.41 | DeathWolf | how do I reconnect to existing X windows? |
| 01:57.42 | Guerin | you run your ssh session in screen |
| 01:58.09 | DeathWolf | uh... I fail to see how will my windows reopn on my local xserver using a remote ssh -X/ssh -Y |
| 01:58.29 | DeathWolf | or for that matter, a desk. |
| 01:58.33 | Internat | i have a question about php and fastcgi if anyone is arround, is there a way to make the fast cgi process timeout after no usage for a while? |
| 01:59.09 | Guerin | oh you need winddows? |
| 01:59.16 | DeathWolf | .. |
| 01:59.17 | Guerin | sucks to be you. I recommend citrix. |
| 01:59.27 | DeathWolf | Isnt citrix commercial? |
| 01:59.31 | Guerin | isn't windows? |
| 01:59.40 | DeathWolf | I never said windows as in microsoft. |
| 01:59.45 | Guerin | oh |
| 01:59.46 | DeathWolf | I said X windows, as windows of the X11 system. |
| 01:59.56 | Guerin | then combinations of ssh and x forwarding can do what you ask |
| 01:59.58 | DeathWolf | as in, I am not interested in headless. |
| 02:00.10 | Guerin | wherever did I imply you were? |
| 02:00.25 | Guerin | you're too ambiguous |
| 02:00.26 | DeathWolf | Well, I still do not see how can ssh with x forwarding restore old opened xterms from a previous session? |
| 02:00.32 | Guerin | i'm going fishing; good luck |
| 02:00.43 | DeathWolf | unless ssh has a --save-X11 and a --restore-X11 magical feature. |
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| 02:01.24 | DeathWolf | opening X11 windows in a given session with forwarding is easy. |
| 02:01.37 | DeathWolf | Keeping them permanent and being able to restore them? That's something I do not see how to do with ssh only. |
| 02:01.58 | DeathWolf | Of course I could nohup them, and maybe do some magic so that when my ssh connection die, they stay |
| 02:02.13 | DeathWolf | (if that's even remotely possible without breaking the x11 connection) |
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| 02:02.48 | gynterkk | i still can't get my ipw2200 working |
| 02:02.52 | DeathWolf | Just checked the whole ssh man, and unless there's a mgical hidden version, I'm not seeing any magic about keeping old sessions:/ |
| 02:02.54 | kbrooks | Claudio32m, u there? |
| 02:03.01 | DeathWolf | -old |
| 02:03.07 | gynterkk | i have copied firmware (v3.0) to /lib/firmware |
| 02:03.20 | gynterkk | and installed ipw2200-modules for my kernel version |
| 02:03.41 | gynterkk | iwconfig still shows no wireless extensions for all cards |
| 02:03.54 | gynterkk | interfaces I mea |
| 02:03.54 | gynterkk | n |
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| 02:07.02 | gynterkk | anyone? |
| 02:07.42 | Claudio32m | this is interesting.. an picture of ip address distribution in the world for 2007 http://www.ipligence.com/worldmap/ |
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| 02:07.59 | Cr3ature | sounds interesting |
| 02:11.24 | DeathWolf | Intel Corporation 82945G/GZ/P/PL => Which xorg driver am I supposed to use for that... |
| 02:11.34 | Kamping_Kaiser | 954g? |
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| 02:11.43 | DeathWolf | so the i810 one? |
| 02:11.50 | Zippy2 | probably |
| 02:11.53 | Claudio32m | kbrooks - SKEL... I could give all my users the same .bash_profile .bashrc ,etc ? |
| 02:12.01 | Claudio32m | with colors and stuff |
| 02:12.09 | Zippy2 | Claudio32m: all new users |
| 02:12.17 | kbrooks | Claudio32m, it is already there. you can edit it if you like. |
| 02:12.24 | Cr3ature | there is IP-address at middle of the sea |
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| 02:12.35 | Claudio32m | Cr3ature - didnt notice that one |
| 02:12.49 | Cr3ature | between south america and africa |
| 02:12.54 | Cr3ature | its like the only one |
| 02:12.57 | Claudio32m | kbrooks - i dont have a file /etc/skel |
| 02:12.59 | Claudio32m | oh |
| 02:13.00 | Claudio32m | its a dir |
| 02:13.04 | Claudio32m | i'd have to cp the files |
| 02:13.29 | kbrooks | Claudio32m, no |
| 02:13.37 | kbrooks | Claudio32m, adduser does that for you |
| 02:13.44 | gynterkk | at last |
| 02:13.46 | gynterkk | got working |
| 02:14.07 | Claudio32m | kbrooks - i mean, I have to popular the /etc/skel directory as a template and when i adduser it will use those files in that dir? |
| 02:14.19 | Claudio32m | *populate |
| 02:14.26 | kbrooks | Claudio32m, in the home user directory yes |
| 02:14.55 | Claudio32m | Cr3ature - yes I see it now |
| 02:15.03 | Claudio32m | not many ip's in africa |
| 02:16.13 | Claudio32m | kbrooks - hehe.. they are there.. i forgot they are . hidden files |
| 02:16.19 | itchi | Grub is installed on the hdb, i now installed it on hda. I rebooted and it still load of hdb. It's been grub; root(hd0,1); setup(hd0) ? |
| 02:16.52 | Kamping_Kaiser | itchi, can you ask your question again? |
| 02:17.05 | Claudio32m | itichi - which HDD is your BIOS booting first? priority |
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| 02:17.50 | itchi | I'm setting up a RAID1, so i first installed a base install on hdb. I prepared hda for the RAID1. I now need to setup Grub to hda to boot from the md's. But it still keep booting the hdb up |
| 02:18.17 | Kamping_Kaiser | itchi, is your bios set to boot hdb? |
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| 02:18.57 | itchi | Well, i dunno from which is defined to boot up in the BIOS of vmware. There seems to be no option for this |
| 02:19.25 | itchi | That bios don't even see a HDD at all |
| 02:19.49 | Claudio32m | are you using a PCI HOST adaptor? |
| 02:19.57 | Sebo | Hi!! Can you tell me some shell comand which can I use to send email from sh script?? |
| 02:20.04 | itchi | Sebo: mail |
| 02:20.27 | itchi | Sebo: That's a command too |
| 02:21.27 | Claudio32m | kbrooks - just tested adduser ... SKEL is nice :) |
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| 02:22.00 | itchi | Weird vmware BIOS stuff |
| 02:22.09 | Claudio32m | itchi - is it a remote pc? |
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| 02:22.14 | Claudio32m | or you have it in front of you |
| 02:22.26 | itchi | Claudio32m: Full control :-) |
| 02:22.37 | Claudio32m | are you running vmware on top of windows? |
| 02:22.50 | itchi | Claudio32m: No, on my Debian box :-) |
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| 02:23.38 | itchi | If i edit Grub when it's load, then it boot up of the right md devices |
| 02:24.17 | gynterkk | is there possible to run wifi-radar without root password ? |
| 02:24.19 | gynterkk | via sudo ? |
| 02:24.32 | Sebo | And some command which can replace all ocurences of some keyword in stdin with some word and rewrite it to stdout?? |
| 02:24.41 | asg | Sebo: sed |
| 02:25.21 | asg | gynterkk: yes, sudo can be used for such things |
| 02:25.22 | itchi | I think i have a stupid grub error. For some reason it wont take care of the sda grub mbr install |
| 02:25.25 | Claudio32m | itchi - I don't know, I don't have any experience with RAID configurations. |
| 02:25.28 | abrotman | xand: ? |
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| 02:25.49 | zophy | isn't there a debian developement channel on freenode ? |
| 02:26.06 | itchi | Claudio32m: Well, as long you don't put an os on that RAID; it's peace of cake |
| 02:26.40 | itchi | Claudio32m: I try this RAID1 setup in vmware ;-) You could ald do it in qemu or whatever |
| 02:26.47 | itchi | also* |
| 02:26.53 | Claudio32m | I just know one of the RAID i think RAID 0 mirrors everything from HDD 1 to HDD 2 |
| 02:27.03 | itchi | Claudio32m: RAID1 is that |
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| 02:27.22 | itchi | Claudio32m: RAID0 is striped stuff |
| 02:27.29 | Claudio32m | allright |
| 02:27.55 | abrotman | zophy: yes .. but mostly empty |
| 02:28.17 | itchi | Claudio32m: RAID0 is to get much more speed, it plit and write the stuff to two diff disks or partitions |
| 02:28.27 | itchi | bah typo's |
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| 02:29.43 | abrotman | zophy: you probably want the one on OFTC |
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| 02:33.40 | saint_mon | i only downloaded debian etch cd. how can i get the rest of the cds without downloading and burning the .iso images? |
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| 02:34.10 | Cr3ature | wget them? |
| 02:34.11 | abrotman | you don't need them .. just setup http sources |
| 02:34.19 | abrotman | unless you actually want the full CD collection |
| 02:34.51 | itchi | Well, we may define the boot prio in vmware, it's just a weird way of specifing it. Anyway, it's been the sda that has priority above sdb but it's still sdb that boot up :-( |
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| 02:35.21 | itchi | saint_mon: Do you want to make use of apt-cacher? |
| 02:35.30 | epsilon | saint_mon: as said you can install the rest via http. If you want all offline, get the DVD ISO and mount them |
| 02:35.37 | Sebo | Is there any shell command that escapes all "' etc. |
| 02:35.51 | itchi | saint_mon: Centralization of the deb's on one machine so that you may not re download it when setting up another box?? |
| 02:36.02 | itchi | Sebo: \ ? |
| 02:36.03 | epsilon | Sebo: sed? |
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| 02:36.05 | saint_mon | i want online, i just dont want to burn all of the ,iso |
| 02:36.19 | abrotman | you don't have to at all .. use http sources ... get what you need as you need it |
| 02:36.23 | Agatha | saint_mon: just nab the netinstall CD |
| 02:36.34 | epsilon | saint_mon: for normal online install, you only need the one netinstall CD |
| 02:36.47 | itchi | 150 MB and there you go |
| 02:36.47 | Agatha | saint_mon: install the basics from there, set up sources for the rest (it's automatic, you just pick where to download the rest from as it's needed) and the installer will fetch the rest |
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| 02:37.32 | LoWang78 | what do I used for battery detection and management at the command line |
| 02:37.37 | LoWang78 | its a ups |
| 02:37.51 | robin_sz | apc ups? |
| 02:38.11 | itchi | LoWang78: Did you install "nut" ? |
| 02:38.15 | LoWang78 | no |
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| 02:38.25 | epsilon | saint_mon: if this is your fist debian install, read the manual on debian.org. Don't worry everyone will fuck up the first installation, so just keep trying |
| 02:38.25 | LoWang78 | I really don't know too much about UPS and linux |
| 02:38.34 | itchi | LoWang78: Well, that's the way you need to go |
| 02:38.41 | robin_sz | apcupsd works great for APC ups's |
| 02:38.57 | abrotman | powstatd might work for others? |
| 02:39.03 | LoWang78 | got an APC |
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| 02:39.22 | robin_sz | then apcupsd would be my choice |
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| 02:39.35 | epsilon | BW APC, how much noise are these desktop USV making (in idle and in charging/battery state)? |
| 02:39.39 | epsilon | *BTW |
| 02:39.47 | itchi | LoWang78: I own a cheap mge ups protection center 675 |
| 02:39.48 | gynterkk | . |
| 02:40.11 | robin_sz | I have 4 machines, one UPS. on emachine monitors hte UPS, the others listen to that machine for info about "shut down down, its all going dark in 5 minutes" etc |
| 02:40.39 | itchi | robin_sz: Nice beeps when the power fall out heh :-) |
| 02:40.51 | robin_sz | yep |
| 02:41.04 | LoWang78 | this APC thing is pretty quiet |
| 02:41.08 | robin_sz | but at leastthe slaves go down nicely before it dies |
| 02:41.14 | Internat | the problem i have with my ups is there isnt enuff ports to power teh network switch, so the others cant get the notification |
| 02:41.37 | itchi | Internat: Well, they will been discover the problem ;-) |
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| 02:41.56 | abrotman | Internat: they sell stuff to split the signal |
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| 02:42.08 | itchi | UPS is kinda cheap these days |
| 02:42.13 | abrotman | robin_sz: he needs a serial/usb splitter |
| 02:42.27 | gynterkk | do you see my text? |
| 02:42.33 | itchi | gynterkk: no |
| 02:42.39 | Internat | need a cheap 4 port hub with my servers that just runs between them |
| 02:42.39 | mosty | will an amd64 kernel work with a debian i386 install? |
| 02:42.41 | gynterkk | hmm odd |
| 02:42.51 | itchi | gynterkk: Exactly |
| 02:43.05 | gynterkk | yes |
| 02:43.11 | gynterkk | since you shouldn't :D |
| 02:43.17 | abrotman | mosty: you can run a 64bit kernel with a 32bit userland |
| 02:43.26 | itchi | gynterkk: It's a joke heh :-p |
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| 02:43.34 | gynterkk | no |
| 02:43.43 | gynterkk | at least I know that now I have DNS issues |
| 02:43.51 | abrotman | you do? |
| 02:43.58 | gynterkk | yes |
| 02:44.12 | itchi | gynterkk: I wonder why you're here then |
| 02:44.16 | gynterkk | i got my wifi configured, but DNS isn't broadcasted via dhcp on wifi |
| 02:44.18 | LoWang78 | ok, where is a link to somewhere that explains how to set up apcupsd |
| 02:44.21 | gynterkk | indeed |
| 02:44.29 | gynterkk | since web doesnt work |
| 02:44.31 | mosty | abrotman, cool. i'm looking for a live usb image, that i can choose to boot either a 32bit or 64bit kernel |
| 02:44.39 | gynterkk | I also can't ping other computers in wired network |
| 02:44.47 | mosty | a livecd would do, but a usb stick would be better |
| 02:44.51 | itchi | gynterkk: A route problem? |
| 02:45.02 | gynterkk | thou might be |
| 02:45.08 | gynterkk | but |
| 02:45.11 | gynterkk | worked with wired |
| 02:45.15 | gynterkk | same router |
| 02:45.31 | gynterkk | and router shows I'm connected |
| 02:46.45 | gynterkk | routing table is ok thou |
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| 02:47.07 | Cypress1 | Hola ? |
| 02:47.18 | Cypress1 | Alo ? |
| 02:47.28 | abrotman | what?! |
| 02:47.33 | gynterkk | trying to figure out why I can see you but not web and other machines |
| 02:47.48 | Cypress1 | Hi, I have a question |
| 02:47.51 | jpiccolo | if i am just zeroing a drive, this works right? dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/sdc bs=50M & |
| 02:47.53 | gynterkk | ask |
| 02:48.03 | abrotman | Cypress1: just ask |
| 02:48.25 | Tramp | gynterkk: no idea what you are doing, but are you running nscd? |
| 02:48.25 | abrotman | jpiccolo: you don't need the bs .. but up to you |
| 02:48.36 | Cypress1 | It's hard to me to write in english |
| 02:48.42 | jpiccolo | but it will make it go faster, right? |
| 02:48.52 | Cypress1 | so... be patient, with me.. |
| 02:48.54 | gynterkk | no |
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| 02:49.27 | Cypress1 | my question is, i have a disk hda1 and in the same disk i have an other partition hda3 |
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| 02:49.34 | gynterkk | wifi-radar configures and handles my wifi networks |
| 02:49.38 | gynterkk | routing table is ok |
| 02:49.43 | Cypress1 | hda1 is mointed on / |
| 02:49.53 | gynterkk | the odd thing is that i can see you |
| 02:49.56 | gynterkk | lemme test IM |
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| 02:50.02 | Cypress1 | what i want, is to mount hda3 in / |
| 02:50.18 | Cypress1 | for this i have writte something in /etc/fstab |
| 02:50.23 | Cypress1 | but is not working |
| 02:50.24 | uli | using ssmtp how can I do a 'dns check' so if mx1 fails try mx2, or how can I send mails using postfix instead of ssmtp/mail ? |
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| 02:51.14 | Cypress1 | can someone help me ? |
| 02:51.15 | gynterkk | hmm odd |
| 02:51.23 | gynterkk | can't connect to IM services either |
| 02:51.39 | abrotman | Cypress1: don't you already have a / |
| 02:51.40 | abrotman | ? |
| 02:51.45 | Cypress1 | yes i have |
| 02:51.47 | Cypress1 | is hda1 |
| 02:51.56 | Cypress1 | but i want to mix hda1 with hda3 |
| 02:52.02 | Cypress1 | to have more space |
| 02:52.04 | gynterkk | apt-get update ain't working either |
| 02:52.04 | gynterkk | odd |
| 02:52.08 | abrotman | !unionfs |
| 02:52.08 | dpkg | hmm... unionfs is union filesystem is mainly used in Live-CD systems or diskless systems, where the read-only root directory is combined (joined) with tmpfs filesystem (which resides in memory and is writable). http://www.am-utils.org/project-unionfs.html & http://www.unionfs.org/unionfs/ . Its weird. |
| 02:52.24 | gynterkk | Cypress1, just mount another one |
| 02:52.54 | Cypress1 | yes, it's what i have tried, but it didn't work, i wrote in /etc/fstab this: |
| 02:53.02 | gynterkk | no |
| 02:53.03 | Cypress1 | # /dev/hda3 |
| 02:53.04 | Cypress1 | UUID=3e2b1f4e-8044-487f-b112-v3af115e6062 / ext3 defaults 0 1 |
| 02:53.05 | Sebo | anyone can help me with sed... I need to replace all [b] with <b> :] |
| 02:53.05 | abrotman | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:53.21 | abrotman | Sebo: #sed .. or what have you tried ? |
| 02:53.22 | asg | Sebo: google for 'sed onliner' |
| 02:53.47 | gynterkk | bah |
| 02:53.48 | asg | or 'sed oneliner' |
| 02:53.48 | abrotman | !sed tutorial |
| 02:53.50 | gynterkk | use bash |
| 02:53.51 | abrotman | wtf |
| 02:54.04 | Cypress1 | yes, but how can i mix this two partition, i tried to use gparted, but i coudn't join the two partitions |
| 02:54.04 | abrotman | asg: SNOW .. and lots of it .. i blame you .. and pokemon |
| 02:54.14 | asg | abrotman: snow rocks |
| 02:54.57 | abrotman | asg: look at 54495 .. at least i don't have to drive in it |
| 02:55.04 | Cypress1 | is there any way i can join this two partitions ? because with gparted i coudn't |
| 02:55.16 | gynterkk | Tramp, I'm not able to connect to new irc networks |
| 02:55.28 | liable | why not? |
| 02:55.32 | gynterkk | i had this connection open before I connected via wifi |
| 02:55.36 | asg | abrotman: there you go then |
| 02:55.44 | gynterkk | like opened this chat with wired and then changed to wifi |
| 02:55.50 | Tramp | Sebo: sed 's/\[b\]/<b>/g' - or what is your problem? |
| 02:55.51 | gynterkk | might this cause the problem ? |
| 02:56.07 | abrotman | asg: it's still a lot! .. and it's supposed to be 30mph winds tomorrow .. yay drifts! |
| 02:56.21 | asg | abrotman: you know that I envy you |
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| 02:56.28 | gynterkk | hm |
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| 02:56.54 | DeathWolf | how do I allow a specific user to startx? |
| 02:57.10 | Tramp | gynterkk: I have no idea what you are doing. You have one machine, simultanously connected with wifi and wired to the same router or what? Do you have a DNS or a routing problem? I don't get a clue from what you are saying |
| 02:57.12 | abrotman | asg: so i've heard ... :) |
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| 02:57.19 | asg | abrotman: hah |
| 02:58.11 | gynterk | I have machine connected to router via wifi |
| 02:58.17 | abrotman | DeathWolf: all users should be able to unless you've munged their account somehow |
| 02:58.19 | gynterk | router shows computer is connected |
| 02:58.24 | gynterk | but I can't ping a shit |
| 02:58.45 | gynterk | fixed |
| 02:58.55 | gynterk | had to bring wired nic down |
| 02:58.57 | abrotman | that was easy! |
| 02:58.58 | Tramp | gynterk: glad I could help. |
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| 02:59.05 | gynterk | :P |
| 02:59.27 | gynterk | damn i'm happy, now I have wifi |
| 02:59.31 | itchi | Is that normal when shuting down/rebooting md0 (=/) is unable to unmount? I get that error always |
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| 02:59.46 | abrotman | itchi: it's an italian law |
| 02:59.53 | gynterk | )) |
| 03:00.03 | itchi | abrotman: Ah, they sad so it's normal then |
| 03:00.07 | abrotman | oh wait .. he's .nl isn't he ? |
| 03:00.15 | itchi | abrotman: no .be :-p |
| 03:00.17 | abrotman | asg: can i have amatriciana instead ? |
| 03:00.32 | abrotman | itchi: .it .. .nl .. .be .. all the same .. |
| 03:00.40 | asg | abrotman: in your condition, you can have whatever is thawed |
| 03:00.59 | DeathWolf | abrotman: well, I do not want root-only as I'm running only one session, I do not want console... since I'm starting through ssh. |
| 03:01.00 | itchi | abrotman: Nah, the other are much more sad :-) We where more as 150 days without a gov :-p Where that sad :-) |
| 03:01.06 | abrotman | asg: i had ribs .. not so good .. the beer was okay though |
| 03:01.09 | DeathWolf | I guess I'l have to live with anybody. |
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| 03:01.20 | gynterk | does bootsplash and bootsplash-theme-debian work as they should :D ? |
| 03:01.34 | asg | abrotman: that's to be expected; can't do ribs in wisconsin |
| 03:01.34 | Claudio32m | kbrooks - u still there? |
| 03:01.41 | Tramp | itchi: once Belgium has finally split, which part gets the .be-TLD? |
| 03:02.00 | Kamping_Kaiser | split? |
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| 03:02.17 | abrotman | asg: they have lots of cows! .. i guess they just use them for cheese? :) |
| 03:02.17 | VincentC` | my inetd.conf was overwritten when i uninstalled xinetd, and now i can't ssh or ftp to the server |
| 03:02.23 | itchi | Tramp: Well, the dutch region i guess, they are ways to much dominant |
| 03:02.34 | kbrooks | Claudio32m, yes |
| 03:02.34 | asg | abrotman: or lawnmowers |
| 03:02.41 | abrotman | asg: same thing! |
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| 03:02.52 | itchi | In fact there are 3 regions, but the other 2 don't know about the third |
| 03:03.02 | Claudio32m | kbrooks - i'm testing apache from the outside subnet, can u click on one of my domain name please? |
| 03:03.06 | Vasistha | man, what a pita. I am seriously disappointed ... that was definitely my least pleasant debian install experience. |
| 03:03.08 | abrotman | asg: i so want a shirt with this logo http://www.newglarusbrewing.com/beers.cfm?BeerID=7 |
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| 03:03.35 | Tramp | itchi: the german minority? |
| 03:03.41 | VincentC` | would uninstalling and reinstalling ssh and vsftpd rewrite to inetd.conf? |
| 03:03.47 | kbrooks | Claudio32m, link |
| 03:03.52 | asg | abrotman: for a minute there, I thought the cow was getting oral from a sheep! |
| 03:03.55 | itchi | Tramp: No Brussels: Brabant |
| 03:03.57 | Claudio32m | kbrooks - izzicomputers.com |
| 03:04.01 | abrotman | asg: hehe .. it's just .. an odd logo |
| 03:04.04 | Tramp | itchi: ah, ok. |
| 03:04.13 | abrotman | VincentC`: ssh sohuldn't depend on inetd or xinetd |
| 03:04.15 | asg | abrotman: to say the least |
| 03:04.21 | itchi | Tramp: There's only 3% of germans |
| 03:04.34 | itchi | Tramp: Or even 1%. But i'm not sure |
| 03:04.41 | gynterk | omg |
| 03:04.45 | gynterk | splashy is only for sid :S ? |
| 03:04.46 | abrotman | you farted? |
| 03:04.47 | abrotman | oh |
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| 03:05.41 | abrotman | gynterk: usplash ? |
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| 03:06.08 | gynterk | seems so |
| 03:06.11 | gynterk | i have to use this :P |
| 03:06.16 | itchi | Well, my virtual RAID1 is up and running :-) Wooaaa, time to sleep. It's again 04:06 AM :-( |
| 03:06.36 | gynterk | good for you gmt -1 guy |
| 03:06.44 | abrotman | itchi: isn't it always that time in .it ? |
| 03:06.52 | itchi | gynterk: Bah, i have free the whole week :-p |
| 03:07.04 | gynterk | me too |
| 03:07.08 | gynterk | i work in school :D |
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| 03:07.12 | itchi | abrotman: I'm not Italian |
| 03:07.20 | itchi | gynterk: Get a job :-p |
| 03:07.28 | gynterk | I have |
| 03:07.32 | gynterk | and well payed |
| 03:07.42 | gynterk | usually i sit and read news |
| 03:07.46 | amphi | itchi: .be? |
| 03:07.52 | itchi | amphi: yup |
| 03:08.08 | itchi | I have an interview next week for a GNU/Linux job |
| 03:08.17 | amphi | memory still working vaguely then ;) how goes it? |
| 03:08.22 | abrotman | itchi: do they know you hang out here? |
| 03:08.36 | itchi | The last 2 months i have got 3 interviews for GNU/Linux jobs. I still can't believe it |
| 03:08.56 | itchi | abrotman: Well, they all have find my CV online somewhere |
| 03:09.06 | abrotman | itchi: good for you! |
| 03:09.10 | abrotman | itchi: bad for us! |
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| 03:09.25 | itchi | abrotman: It's for .be jobs, so no concurence for you ;-) |
| 03:09.43 | abrotman | it will be when you ask us questions :) |
| 03:09.45 | itchi | I'm impressed with the demands the last months |
| 03:10.53 | itchi | The problem is that they pay ways to less and you must be near always standby and do some weird hours |
| 03:11.07 | abrotman | ways to less? |
| 03:11.14 | abrotman | why do i ask?! |
| 03:11.18 | asg | abrotman: it's a form of bread making |
| 03:11.26 | itchi | abrotman: +- 1100 euro net. 1800 euro brut |
| 03:11.33 | abrotman | champagne? |
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| 03:11.55 | Claudio32m | kbrooks - i've had a tail -f /var/log/apache for the past 15 minutes, no activity, did it not work or you haven't gotten around to it yet? |
| 03:12.23 | kbrooks | hang on... |
| 03:12.41 | LoWang78 | how can I check to see what batteries linux recognizes? |
| 03:13.10 | LoWang78 | or if its configured right |
| 03:13.34 | kbrooks | Claudio32m, is there a typo in that domain name? |
| 03:13.39 | Claudio32m | no |
| 03:13.40 | itchi | abrotman: You will hear me cry this week. I plan to swap 3 computer where 2 are servers |
| 03:13.55 | abrotman | itchi: swap them for what? waffle makers? |
| 03:14.30 | abrotman | !laptop |
| 03:14.30 | dpkg | well, laptop is All there is worth knowing about linux and laptops can be found at http://www.linux-laptop.net/ and http://tuxmobil.org/ and also ask me about <acpi> and <suspend>, or see the debian-laptop mailing list at http://lists.debian.org/debian-laptop/ For Thinkpads, ask me about <thinkpad> |
| 03:14.35 | itchi | abrotman: No, i buyed a second hand computer, i will move some computers to trash out my P2 233MHz |
| 03:14.43 | abrotman | bought |
| 03:14.48 | kbrooks | Claudio32m, check the logs now |
| 03:14.58 | itchi | abrotman: Yeah, sorry, im tired like usual :-) |
| 03:15.09 | abrotman | itchi: night :) |
| 03:15.19 | itchi | abrotman: Well, i keep that as a joke right now :-p |
| 03:15.20 | asg | abrotman: remember, irregular verbs are verboten these days |
| 03:15.21 | Claudio32m | kbrooks - nothing added, still on tail -f |
| 03:15.25 | Claudio32m | did you get the apache welcome? |
| 03:15.43 | abrotman | asg: how you talk with wordess? |
| 03:15.55 | asg | abrotman: proppa |
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| 03:16.05 | abrotman | asg: snow! |
| 03:16.12 | asg | abrotman: beer! |
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| 03:16.21 | abrotman | oh .. i'll take the beer .. let's trade! |
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| 03:16.44 | kbrooks | Claudio32m, no |
| 03:16.49 | kbrooks | Claudio32m, h/o |
| 03:16.58 | asg | abrotman: as long as I don't get oral from a cow |
| 03:17.04 | Claudio32m | okay they are still blocking port 80 then (my isp) |
| 03:17.16 | abrotman | asg: Top Secret! ? |
| 03:17.51 | asg | abrotman: Chocolate Mousse! |
| 03:17.51 | abrotman | Deja Vu! |
| 03:17.51 | itchi | Claudio32m: Well, my ISP (telenet) do that too. At least for those that are not on the telenet ISP |
| 03:17.54 | abrotman | asg: What funny dog poo? |
| 03:17.57 | kbrooks | Claudio32m, no |
| 03:18.01 | kbrooks | Claudio32m, not at all |
| 03:18.02 | asg | abrotman: s/funny/fake/ |
| 03:18.09 | Claudio32m | itichi - right, so if someone is in your same isp it wont be blocked right? |
| 03:18.10 | abrotman | it's funny! |
| 03:18.12 | abrotman | not fake |
| 03:18.12 | kbrooks | Claudio32m, justt h/o a minute |
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| 03:18.16 | asg | abrotman: it's fake |
| 03:18.18 | jpiccolo | anyone use mdadm here? |
| 03:18.18 | abrotman | no! |
| 03:18.26 | asg | abrotman: tastes great? |
| 03:18.29 | Vasistha | !anyone use mdadm |
| 03:18.29 | dpkg | No, no one uses mdadm, not even the people who use it. |
| 03:18.30 | abrotman | find |
| 03:18.38 | itchi | Claudio32m: Yup, from my work ik work like expected. These use also telenet |
| 03:18.49 | penp | !what is mdadm |
| 03:18.50 | dpkg | penp: what are you talking about? |
| 03:18.50 | jpiccolo | Vasistha: thanks |
| 03:18.51 | kbrooks | Claudio32m, um, your site apparently resolves to something |
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| 03:18.59 | itchi | jpiccolo: Just ask |
| 03:19.05 | kbrooks | Claudio32m, which is another domain name |
| 03:19.06 | Vasistha | jpiccolo: /msg dpkg ask |
| 03:19.07 | Claudio32m | iitc - cause a friend of mine who is online now in from my same isp can see the page fine |
| 03:19.20 | abrotman | asg: we both lose ... Blindman: What phony dog poo? ... but i was closer! |
| 03:19.21 | jpiccolo | i have asked about my problem many times |
| 03:19.33 | kbrooks | Claudio32m, that domain name is slow to load apparently |
| 03:19.40 | itchi | jpiccolo: Well, don't ask it anymore |
| 03:19.47 | Claudio32m | kbrooks - that one is the only one currently pointed to my linux server, the others are hosted on commerical web hosting servers, i cant redirect them (busines) |
| 03:19.47 | jpiccolo | everytime i explain the whole thing everyone says, "thats weird i dont know" |
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| 03:19.58 | asg | abrotman: they really need a #initgame for morons like us |
| 03:20.09 | abrotman | asg: #trivia ? |
| 03:20.23 | itchi | jpiccolo: RAID is not that common |
| 03:20.28 | jpiccolo | so i was just wondering if anyone actually uses mdadm or i should try to find a different way to do software raid |
| 03:20.31 | Claudio32m | kbrooks - but its normal I think, I was just checking.. the ports will be unblocked this week |
| 03:20.38 | Claudio32m | I requested it from my isp |
| 03:20.39 | itchi | jpiccolo: I make use of it |
| 03:20.41 | kbrooks | Claudio32m, ok |
| 03:20.45 | Claudio32m | thanks kbrooks |
| 03:20.50 | asg | abrotman: yeah but most of the questions deal with obscure 1st year physics questions nobody gives a squirt about. |
| 03:21.01 | jpiccolo | itchi: have you ever used raid 5 with mdadm |
| 03:21.06 | itchi | jpiccolo: no |
| 03:21.16 | abrotman | asg: except toresbe |
| 03:21.27 | asg | abrotman: yeah, that's true |
| 03:21.29 | Claudio32m | kbrooks - i ordered a commercial internet package witha a static ip.. and they unblock the ports as well, so i will point my domain to the static ip |
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| 03:21.36 | jpiccolo | itchi: have you ever recovered from a failed drive using mdadm? |
| 03:21.43 | eyeris | Which package is phpize in? |
| 03:22.01 | eyeris | I can't use dpkg-query -S because I don't know where it is supposed to live. |
| 03:22.01 | itchi | jpiccolo: Yeah, after the fail, plug in a new hdd and mdadm --add /dev/md0 /dev/sdc1 |
| 03:22.07 | eyeris | I've tried /usr/bin/phpizer |
| 03:22.20 | eyeris | (scratch the 'r') |
| 03:22.21 | asg | eyeris: /msg dpkg search |
| 03:22.28 | eyeris | thank you |
| 03:22.39 | jpiccolo | itchi: yeah that was the problem, i tried that and it would say the drive was busy |
| 03:23.02 | itchi | jpiccolo: Then you may refer to a driver that is still used, maybe the swap or so |
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| 03:23.26 | itchi | jpiccolo: Or maybe the wrong one at all |
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| 03:24.00 | De_Mon | using hardware raid, would I be able to add a 750gb drive to an array of 500gb drives (and just lose 250gb)? |
| 03:24.06 | jpiccolo | itchi: i made the array and then simulated a failed drive and couldnt get the drive back into the array |
| 03:24.20 | itchi | jpiccolo: You need to re add it |
| 03:24.32 | itchi | jpiccolo: It's not black magic |
| 03:24.39 | penp | jpiccolo: did you try removing it first like the post in the forums |
| 03:24.58 | penp | mdadm /dev/md0 -r /dev/sdc |
| 03:25.05 | jpiccolo | itchi: mdadm /dev/md0 -a /dev/sdc1 would give me the error that the device was busy |
| 03:25.17 | jpiccolo | itchi: yeah it was removed |
| 03:25.51 | itchi | jpiccolo: What says cat /proc/mdstat ? |
| 03:26.11 | jpiccolo | itchi: it would just list the two other drives |
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| 03:26.49 | jpiccolo | itchi: here: http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?t=22399 |
| 03:27.00 | jpiccolo | itchi: that lists it all |
| 03:27.04 | CompWizrd | De_Mon: depends on your controller |
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| 03:27.54 | CompWizrd | replacement for an existing 500, sure.. adding a 750 to the existing array, maybe, maybe not |
| 03:29.46 | De_Mon | CompWizrd it would be a replacement for a failed 500, thats comforting thanks! |
| 03:30.16 | CompWizrd | 3ware rounds down to the nearest 5gb or something like that, so even if you had a drive that wasn't 500 gb, as long as it was close enough it'd still work |
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| 03:31.09 | itchi | jpiccolo: Do you have /dev/sdc1 ? |
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| 03:32.38 | itchi | jpiccolo: If you ls that, shows it up? |
| 03:33.24 | sparr | how can I cause apt/dpkg to prompt me when a particular release or repository is going to be used to install something? |
| 03:33.45 | mosty | sparr: -s ? |
| 03:34.00 | jpiccolo | itchi: ls /dev/sdc1 ? |
| 03:34.12 | itchi | jpiccolo: yup |
| 03:34.15 | sparr | mosty: that would be quite annoying |
| 03:34.32 | mosty | sparr, apt-cache policy packagename ? |
| 03:35.11 | jpiccolo | ls /dev/sdc1 |
| 03:35.11 | jpiccolo | /dev/sdc1 |
| 03:35.11 | sparr | i want it to apply for all packages |
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| 03:35.35 | jpiccolo | itchi: well to be honest its all messed up now |
| 03:35.57 | jpiccolo | itchi: i tried so many different things that the array is totally borked |
| 03:36.06 | itchi | jpiccolo: :-) |
| 03:36.29 | jpiccolo | itchi: so i am just zero'ing the drives and going to reinstall debian and try again |
| 03:36.36 | itchi | jpiccolo: mdadm is teh tool, just need to learn to work with it |
| 03:37.09 | jpiccolo | itchi: but i am going to have to try to try to recover from a failed drive before it goes into production |
| 03:37.19 | jpiccolo | itchi: what should i have done? |
| 03:37.39 | xsdg | jpiccolo: is /dev/sdc1 mounted for some reason? |
| 03:37.40 | jpiccolo | itchi: i dont think i am going to put a lvm over top of the array like i did last time |
| 03:37.50 | jpiccolo | itchi: no wasnt mounted |
| 03:38.07 | sparr | mosty: i want it to apply for all packages |
| 03:38.08 | penp | jpiccolo: does fdisk -l say anything about /dev/sdc |
| 03:38.17 | penp | or cat /proc/mounts |
| 03:38.34 | mosty | sparr: apt-cache policy |
| 03:38.42 | itchi | jpiccolo: Well, i get the same problem :-) |
| 03:39.16 | jpiccolo | itchi: what do you mean you get the same problem? |
| 03:39.28 | jpiccolo | itchi: that its weird and dont know what to do? |
| 03:39.30 | sparr | mosty: ok, how do i get a prompt from that information? |
| 03:39.44 | itchi | jpiccolo: I did mdadm /dev/md0 -f /dev/sdb2 and i'm unable to add it back, busy hdd :-) |
| 03:39.57 | jpiccolo | itchi: hahah yeah |
| 03:40.08 | mosty | sparr, i don't understand what you want. can you reprase your question? |
| 03:40.10 | jpiccolo | itchi: did you put a lvm over top of the array? |
| 03:40.16 | itchi | jpiccolo: no |
| 03:40.26 | jpiccolo | itchi: well crap |
| 03:40.37 | penp | itchi: can you try /dev/md0 -r /dev/sdb2 then adding it again |
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| 03:40.54 | jpiccolo | itchi: i think its because the superblock on that drive still says that its in the array |
| 03:41.07 | sparr | mosty: when apt-get is going to fetch (and/or when dpkg is going to install) packages from a particular repository or release, i would like it to prompt me, something like a warning. |
| 03:41.11 | itchi | penp: I get mdadm: /dev/sdb2 does not appear to be an md device |
| 03:41.16 | jpiccolo | itchi: if you were to put in a drive that wasnt in the array i think it would work |
| 03:41.24 | penp | jpiccolo: you could try reformatting that drive |
| 03:41.29 | jpiccolo | itchi: as if it was a actually drive failure |
| 03:41.32 | penp | jpiccolo: the one you removed |
| 03:41.36 | itchi | jpiccolo: With a new/spare drive, it worked like expected |
| 03:41.42 | mosty | sparr: perhaps you should just configure your apt prinning preferences |
| 03:41.47 | penp | jpiccolo: and see if it will let you add it back |
| 03:41.55 | mosty | sparr: then you wouldn't need to be prompted |
| 03:42.07 | sparr | mosty: that would require knowing in advance what im going to install, or adjusting pinning preferences before/after every installation. quite tedious |
| 03:42.14 | jpiccolo | penp: i had fdisk'ed the drive removing the partions and makeing new ones, that was a no go |
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| 03:42.37 | itchi | jpiccolo: It's about the drive id i think |
| 03:42.38 | jpiccolo | itchi: yeah a totally new drive would probably work |
| 03:42.45 | penp | hm..weird |
| 03:42.53 | penp | wonder why it worked int hat guide then |
| 03:43.06 | mosty | sparr: adding conflicting repositories/releases is not very common- you would only have to edit the pinning preferences the few times you do that |
| 03:43.10 | itchi | jpiccolo: Well, after a reboot, i'm able to add it back |
| 03:43.15 | jpiccolo | itchi: the whole remove the drive and then add it back in thing just doesnt work |
| 03:43.15 | itchi | jpiccolo: Problem fixed :-p |
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| 03:43.32 | itchi | That thing leave it in his brain |
| 03:43.35 | sparr | mosty: i permanently have conflicing repositories and releases in my sources. right now im doing manual policy adjustment, and its a pain in the ass |
| 03:43.36 | jpiccolo | itchi: really? hrm because i had rebooted |
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| 03:43.54 | itchi | jpiccolo: Well, i fixed the toy right now, just with a reboot. |
| 03:44.10 | itchi | jpiccolo: [======>..............] recovery = 30.4% (1489152/4883648) finish=3.4min speed=16368K/se |
| 03:44.15 | mosty | sparr: which conflicting repositories? |
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| 03:44.39 | jpiccolo | itchi: so you were able to mdadm /dev/md0 -a /dev/sdc1 |
| 03:44.44 | sparr | mosty: if i told you then youd punt me to another channel. once again im sad theres no #meta-debian |
| 03:44.48 | itchi | jpiccolo: After the reboot, yes |
| 03:45.10 | jpiccolo | itchi: ok, well i think it was also that i put a lvm over the raid |
| 03:45.12 | itchi | jpiccolo: I think that it's maybe because of the sad hot remove |
| 03:45.18 | mosty | sparr, knoppix eh? it's a mess :/ it would be a lot of work to fix that i think |
| 03:45.24 | Rsrblm1 | quick question? |
| 03:45.52 | jpiccolo | itchi: i think the lvm made the drive busy all the time |
| 03:45.55 | sparr | maybe knoppix, maybe *buntu, maybe dsl. it shouldnt matter. there are plausible scenarios where this question applies to debian-distro. and even if it didn't, im still asking about debian tools |
| 03:45.58 | uli | one question, what is better for rdns and mx, if I have mx1.dom.com my reverse dns need to be mx1.dom.com to or dom.com? |
| 03:46.00 | mosty | Rsrblm1, correct, that was quick. |
| 03:46.04 | jpiccolo | itchi: so i couldnt add it back to the array |
| 03:46.05 | itchi | jpiccolo: No, i had the same problem as you |
| 03:46.29 | mosty | sparr, if there's a way to do what you want, i don't know of it |
| 03:46.31 | itchi | jpiccolo: Setup a virtual computer and test |
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| 03:47.06 | sparr | mosty: for the sake of argument, lets say im installing a game. this game's devs run a repository, and the packages also go into debian. the devs' repository is, in theory, always a newer package. i want to know if somehow apt finds and wants to install a version from debian instead of from there |
| 03:47.06 | jpiccolo | itchi: like a vm? |
| 03:47.08 | itchi | jpiccolo: This RAID1 is in a virtual computer. I need to re-setup my fileserver this week. I first experiment :-) |
| 03:47.16 | itchi | jpiccolo: Yup, i use vmware right now |
| 03:47.20 | Rsrblm1 | ok, I have a dual boot machine. Having trouble with my ethernet card not being recognized under redhat. any suggestions? |
| 03:47.34 | jpiccolo | itchi: yeah maybe i should try that |
| 03:47.43 | sparr | mosty: i could pin the game packages to their repository, but then apt would silently ignore newer packages in debian despite my wanting to know about them |
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| 03:48.18 | mosty | sparr, in my opinion, this should be fixed at the repository level. if an external package is supposed to replace the existing package, it should have a higher version string |
| 03:48.37 | jpiccolo | itchi: so i would just make 3 vm disks? |
| 03:48.49 | itchi | jpiccolo: Yeah |
| 03:49.00 | itchi | jpiccolo: I used 2 here, like i plan to use 2 disk for the RAID1 |
| 03:49.24 | penp | is software raid really all that reliable? |
| 03:49.26 | sparr | mosty: thats exactly whats happening. one repository has version 2.5, the other has 2.6, but for my own reasons i PREFER packages from the first repository. id like a prompt that says "hey, your favorite repo has 2.5, but we are going to fetch 2.6 from somewhere else because its available, ok?" |
| 03:49.41 | itchi | penp: Much more easy and fun as hardware raid |
| 03:49.51 | stew | sparr: show us the output of "apt-cache policy packagename" for the package in quesiton |
| 03:49.54 | jpiccolo | itchi: that sounds like a good idea |
| 03:49.57 | stew | sparr: use a pastebin: /msg dpkg pastebin |
| 03:50.02 | sparr | stew: no. |
| 03:50.07 | itchi | penp: With my IBM netfinity 5100 RAID5 i don't have fun at all |
| 03:50.17 | penp | itchi: i dunno, hardware raid is pretty easy.. and you can install a boot partition to it, but i guess that depends on the raid card |
| 03:50.19 | stew | sparr: huh? why not? |
| 03:50.27 | sparr | stew: because then youll know which other channel to punt me to |
| 03:50.31 | penp | itchi: 3ware makes nice raid cards, but they're expensive |
| 03:50.48 | mosty | sparr: perhaps you could ask #debian-devel |
| 03:50.53 | sparr | mosty: worth a try |
| 03:50.57 | jpiccolo | but with hardware raid if the controller goes you f'ed |
| 03:51.00 | stew | sparr: sorry we can't help you then |
| 03:51.02 | itchi | penp: There's near nothing to play with hardware raid, just: unplug, plug back: it's automagic |
| 03:51.11 | penp | itchi: i suppose that's true.. |
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| 03:51.50 | penp | itchi: I'm wondering if there is any performance boost w/ using software raid 0 or raid 10 |
| 03:52.06 | xsdg | sparr: if you're going to try #d-d, ask on oftc. the #d-d here is generally silent |
| 03:52.06 | yusu0 | hi how do u configure firestarter in debian, i just installed using sypnatic but cant find it anywhere |
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| 03:52.17 | itchi | penp: I just have limited RAID1 and 5 experiences |
| 03:52.24 | xsdg | yusu0: from what I've heard, synaptic sucks and you should use aptitude instead |
| 03:52.30 | yusu0 | ok |
| 03:52.34 | xsdg | yusu0: I have no personal experience with it (or firestarter), though |
| 03:52.41 | itchi | yusu0: Do you have gksu installed? |
| 03:52.45 | penp | itchi: I work in a datacenter, so I set up hardware raid a lot..we don't support software raid by policy, but I don't have the $$$ for a raid card lol |
| 03:52.54 | yusu0 | i just need to open a udp port for azerus any ideas |
| 03:52.54 | penp | itchi: at home i mean |
| 03:53.15 | jpiccolo | penp: yeah thats pretty much here too |
| 03:53.26 | yusu0 | no i dont y itchi |
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| 03:53.32 | xsdg | penp: I don't know if there's a performance boost, but you certainly shouldn't see any loss of performance |
| 03:53.38 | xsdg | penp: CPUs are fast these days :o) |
| 03:53.38 | itchi | penp: Yeah, me too, that's why i use soft :-) I'm not allowed to touch it at my work. I'm not yet of the "server team" |
| 03:53.47 | jpiccolo | running a quad core so the processor can take care of the parity caculations |
| 03:53.53 | itchi | yusu0: Wait |
| 03:54.06 | yusu0 | wat wat |
| 03:54.27 | itchi | yusu0: Take a look in /usr/share/menu/firestarter |
| 03:54.53 | xsdg | penp: I use 3 software RAID 1 arrays on two machines, and can get at least (sustained) 50 MB/s read on the new one |
| 03:55.03 | jpiccolo | using software raid, i was able to copy a 7.5 gig file in like 2 minutes |
| 03:55.15 | xsdg | penp: admittedly, though, I haven't tried to do any sort of performance tuning or anything, so I have no idea how significant that is |
| 03:55.20 | jpiccolo | thats raid 5 |
| 03:55.40 | itchi | Well, i should need to do some performance test :-) |
| 03:55.45 | penp | xsdg: well the whole idea behind raid 0 is that the data transfer is split between two or more discs, but there's no redundancy |
| 03:55.54 | xsdg | penp: I'm aware |
| 03:56.12 | CompWizrd | one of the 3ware raid5 machines i admin'd would do that 7.5 gig in under 15 seconds if you had somewhere fast enough to write to.. its current raid10 config would take about 20 seconds |
| 03:56.21 | xsdg | penp: you (theoretically) get the same advantage for RAID1 reads |
| 03:56.26 | penp | xsdg: though i should probably worry more about upgrading to SATA before I worry about performance from raid :b |
| 03:56.31 | penp | xsdg: true |
| 03:56.43 | jpiccolo | these were on sata |
| 03:56.52 | itchi | SATA1? |
| 03:56.53 | penp | jpiccolo: yeah i have ide in my box at home |
| 03:57.00 | xsdg | penp: yeah, I'm on SATA here also |
| 03:57.23 | xsdg | itchi: SATA II for me on the new one (SATA I on the old one) |
| 03:57.32 | itchi | SATA2 may be cool :-) |
| 03:57.36 | penp | im just waiting to upgrade my pc.. i will have to replace everything since nothing takes AGP or ddr1 ram anymore lol |
| 03:57.37 | jpiccolo | the copy from was on the same drive and the copy to, so i think 7.5 in 2 minutes is pretty fast |
| 03:57.42 | itchi | I'm stick to 1 :-s |
| 03:57.58 | xsdg | jpiccolo: s#and#as#? |
| 03:58.08 | CompWizrd | jpiccolo: i think i'll try it |
| 03:58.12 | itchi | Or maybe Santa Claus plans to do a useful gift this year |
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| 03:58.23 | jpiccolo | xsdg: what? |
| 03:58.26 | yusu0 | how do i go about opening udp ports |
| 03:58.29 | penp | raid 1 is good |
| 03:58.37 | penp | so is raid 10, but you need four drives |
| 03:58.38 | xsdg | jpiccolo: your statement didn't make a whole lot of sense as is |
| 03:58.48 | penp | but theoretically a raid 10 array could survive 2 drive failures, depending on which drives fail |
| 03:59.00 | jpiccolo | penp: yeah |
| 03:59.17 | itchi | yusu0: Well, play with the stuff, experiment ;-) It's a GUI heh :-p |
| 03:59.19 | jpiccolo | penp: but you loose alot of disk space too |
| 03:59.34 | penp | jpiccolo: worth it if you have valuable data |
| 03:59.42 | Vasistha | I just bought a 4gb usb flash drive that advertised a write speed of 13 MB/s ... and I was charmed when 'shred /dev/sda' took just under 3 minutes, which is 22 MB/s |
| 03:59.47 | jpiccolo | xsdg: its like copying a file from drive x to drive x |
| 03:59.49 | CompWizrd | if your controller is smart, it can pick which drive on the pair is least busy/closest to your data |
| 03:59.55 | Vasistha | erm, that was shred -n 1 ;) |
| 04:00.02 | CompWizrd | so if you have multiple threads reading off the disks, raid10 or 1 can be a lot faster |
| 04:00.06 | yusu0 | i dont even have firestarter thats what i mean even though its installed i cant find it |
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| 04:00.48 | Vasistha | yusu0: it may only run as root ... maybe it's in /usr/sbin ... or perhaps it just installs scripts somewhere in /etc |
| 04:00.57 | CompWizrd | jpiccolo: hmm, helps if i remember to put a count= in my dd line.. before i fill up 1 tb of empty disks, eh |
| 04:00.59 | jpiccolo | yeah i can get my boss to swing that much money though, its a smaller business |
| 04:01.21 | Vasistha | yusu0: either way, you can see what it's installed with dpkg -c /var/cache/apt/archives/firestarter-<tab> |
| 04:01.23 | itchi | Vasistha: It require gksu and is in the start menu |
| 04:01.39 | jpiccolo | CompWizrd: i have to dd zero 2 500 gig hd's :( |
| 04:01.40 | itchi | yusu0: You maybe need to update your menu with update-menu |
| 04:01.44 | xsdg | jpiccolo: yeah, you said "...was on the same drive _and_ the copy to..." |
| 04:01.53 | itchi | yusu0: Which stupid DE do you use? |
| 04:01.59 | jpiccolo | xsdg: oops sorry |
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| 04:02.02 | yusu0 | DE????? |
| 04:02.04 | CompWizrd | jpiccolo: i noticed after a minute or two it should ahve been done :).. got to 35 gig |
| 04:02.12 | jpiccolo | xsdg: my mind goes faster than my fingers |
| 04:02.15 | xsdg | :o) |
| 04:02.18 | itchi | yusu0: Desktop Evilness :-p |
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| 04:02.25 | yusu0 | wats the command to update your menu |
| 04:02.26 | Vasistha | okay, time to test my bootable flash drive with encrypted root on lvm :D |
| 04:02.32 | itchi | yusu0: Well, i told you heh |
| 04:02.33 | yusu0 | i use gnome in debian |
| 04:02.42 | penp | i use xfce4/compiz-fusion |
| 04:02.44 | Vasistha | yusu0: then gnome is your de. |
| 04:02.47 | penp | lulz |
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| 04:02.56 | penp | at work.. im stuck w/ windows |
| 04:02.58 | penp | :( |
| 04:03.01 | yusu0 | i guesas |
| 04:03.04 | itchi | ah, Fluxbox is that cool |
| 04:03.07 | yusu0 | i dual boot |
| 04:03.14 | yusu0 | windows is good for somethings |
| 04:03.19 | penp | fluxbox is nice |
| 04:03.20 | CompWizrd | jpiccolo: ooh, that was fun.. 47 seconds to copy 7.5 gb.. your 2 minutes IS pretty damn good :) |
| 04:03.29 | penp | i used it for a bit..but compiz didnt like it |
| 04:03.38 | penp | so i went back to xfce4 while trying out compiz |
| 04:03.45 | yusu0 | thats another thing i cant get compiz running on this thing |
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| 04:03.54 | penp | yusu0: are you using etch? |
| 04:03.55 | Claudio32m | is the main use of an A record to point the domain name to an IP address? |
| 04:04.00 | yusu0 | x gets confused and refuses to boot if i try |
| 04:04.05 | yusu0 | yeah etch |
| 04:04.10 | penp | compiz wont run in etch |
| 04:04.14 | stew | Claudio32m: the only use |
| 04:04.18 | jpiccolo | CompWizrd: 47 seconds wow |
| 04:04.22 | Claudio32m | stew - thanks |
| 04:04.24 | penp | you need drivers for nvidia and xorg from testing/unstable |
| 04:04.31 | penp | and compiz-fusion from their repos |
| 04:04.36 | yusu0 | i dont have nvidia card at |
| 04:04.41 | penp | well |
| 04:04.43 | CompWizrd | took 19 seconsd to create the 7.5 gb file |
| 04:04.44 | penp | same thing |
| 04:04.58 | penp | CompWizrd: nice |
| 04:05.00 | itchi | yusu0: Well, use beryl |
| 04:05.01 | jpiccolo | CompWizrd: what kind of set up do you have? |
| 04:05.05 | Claudio32m | stew - i was reading a book and I tried something "dig domain.com" and it tells you the A record ip |
| 04:05.07 | Claudio32m | pretty cool |
| 04:05.10 | yusu0 | lol still dont like it, i mean i can live without but its nice ya know |
| 04:05.14 | penp | CompWizrd: my comp could never do that through its pata ports :p |
| 04:05.16 | yusu0 | wats the best distro then |
| 04:05.22 | penp | debian |
| 04:05.23 | penp | :P |
| 04:05.31 | CompWizrd | penp: just need a lot of them :) 14 x 300gb, raid 10 |
| 04:05.41 | penp | CompWizrd: damn o_o |
| 04:05.41 | yusu0 | how bouts ubuntu same system really |
| 04:05.44 | penp | CompWizrd: IDE? |
| 04:05.48 | penp | yusu0: nope |
| 04:05.49 | CompWizrd | sata, dual opteron 265's.. |
| 04:06.02 | jpiccolo | is that hardware raid? |
| 04:06.04 | penp | CompWizrd: what kind of drive controller(s)? |
| 04:06.21 | xsdg | CompWizrd: wow |
| 04:06.29 | CompWizrd | 3ware 9550SX-16LP |
| 04:06.34 | penp | oh man |
| 04:06.35 | CompWizrd | with maxtor maxline III's |
| 04:06.37 | xsdg | yusu0: google is your friend |
| 04:06.38 | CompWizrd | they're old though |
| 04:06.46 | penp | i didnt even know there as a 12LP |
| 04:06.48 | penp | er |
| 04:06.49 | penp | 16LP |
| 04:06.54 | penp | highest i've seen is 12LP |
| 04:06.54 | jpiccolo | you have 14 drives in a raid 10 |
| 04:06.55 | CompWizrd | there's a 24 as well, if you get the 9650 |
| 04:07.02 | itchi | abrotman: I gona fetch some sleep now :-p |
| 04:07.04 | penp | that card must cost $10k |
| 04:07.05 | penp | lulz |
| 04:07.06 | xsdg | yusu0: bunches of places have already compared them on various aspects |
| 04:07.07 | abrotman | ok |
| 04:07.12 | CompWizrd | about $1300, a year or two ago |
| 04:07.15 | penp | nice |
| 04:07.32 | penp | im thinking about trying to hunt down a 4 or 8LP |
| 04:07.34 | xsdg | CompWizrd: have you taken the opportunity to run bonnie++ on it yet? :o) |
| 04:07.36 | CompWizrd | jpiccolo: lots of disk accesses, something like 6 million files on that 2TB partition |
| 04:07.40 | CompWizrd | xsdg: yup |
| 04:07.56 | CompWizrd | both when it was 15x300 raid5, and the current 14x300 raid10 |
| 04:08.00 | penp | actually |
| 04:08.04 | xsdg | CompWizrd: what's the most outrageous number it gives you? |
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| 04:08.13 | penp | 9550sx can run on a normal PCI slot, or does it HAVE to have the extended pci |
| 04:08.18 | penp | ? |
| 04:08.22 | jpiccolo | CompWizrd: that case must be pretty big |
| 04:08.23 | CompWizrd | hmm, probably just the sustained transfer rate, upwards of 600m/s on the raid5 |
| 04:08.34 | CompWizrd | penp: pci-x, the 9500 can be either pci or pci-x |
| 04:08.40 | CompWizrd | 9650 is pci-e, obviously |
| 04:08.43 | xsdg | jpiccolo: server cases can handle lots of hard drives in a pretty reasonable amount of space |
| 04:08.54 | CompWizrd | the motherboard i used has both pci-e and pci-x slots, so i can switch it one day |
| 04:09.01 | penp | nice |
| 04:09.04 | CompWizrd | jpiccolo: 3U rack mounted, the supermicro 932T |
| 04:09.11 | jpiccolo | well yeah my my server case only has 8 hotswap sata slots |
| 04:09.46 | jpiccolo | yeah i have a supermicro but it only has 8 hotswap spots |
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| 04:10.27 | jpiccolo | supermicro mb and case and the damn ide cable for the dvd drive isnt long enough to reach it |
| 04:10.36 | CompWizrd | i did manage to get screwed when AMD dropped the socket 940 line of optersons.. upgrading from a 265 to a 275 isn't worth the money |
| 04:10.45 | xsdg | jpiccolo: I have an 8U with 10, but I've seen smaller cases with more space. |
| 04:10.49 | xsdg | CompWizrd: yeah |
| 04:11.04 | CompWizrd | jpiccolo: i have an Antec SX1440B at home, only about two of the 12 5.25" bays are close enough for standard 18" cables to reach from the motherboard |
| 04:11.06 | penp | dell 2900 |
| 04:11.10 | penp | 5U |
| 04:11.35 | penp | 2x73gb sas in raid 1, 8x300gb sas in raid 10 is the default configuration lol |
| 04:11.54 | penp | i think they're hot-swap bays too |
| 04:12.02 | jpiccolo | yeah i just didnt understand why they ship a standard ide size cable with a server motherboard |
| 04:12.16 | xsdg | CompWizrd: aww... the sx1440b is pretty |
| 04:12.22 | CompWizrd | it's hidden under the kitchen table so the girlfriend doesn't make me get rid of it |
| 04:12.27 | jpiccolo | its just another think you have to order |
| 04:12.29 | xsdg | CompWizrd: I remember I wanted one some time ago, but never had the money or an excuse for it |
| 04:13.02 | xsdg | man... it's so weird that there are 1TB drives nowadays |
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| 04:14.00 | CompWizrd | the seagate 7200.11's are quiet, too |
| 04:14.03 | CompWizrd | run cool too |
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| 04:14.51 | xsdg | CompWizrd: yeah, I have one (500GB) along with a maxtor 500GB in my new array |
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| 04:15.10 | xsdg | CompWizrd: of course, it sucks that you can't buy reasonably-sized root partition drives anymore |
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| 04:15.34 | CompWizrd | the 3ware lets you do autocarving.. breaks it off into 2 TB blocks |
| 04:15.43 | CompWizrd | which are easy enough to boot from |
| 04:15.47 | jair | hey guys, I have a debian etch server and does not have floppy drive. I added an external usb floppy drive and when i run fdisk it report the floppy as sdc? |
| 04:15.53 | jair | /dev/sdc |
| 04:15.55 | jair | :( |
| 04:16.00 | abrotman | normal |
| 04:16.12 | penp | jair: it creates the names as the os detects them |
| 04:16.16 | jair | is this because I have a floppy on the drive |
| 04:16.22 | penp | jair: since your OS is likely on sda/sdb |
| 04:16.23 | Vasistha | hmph. grub can't boot encrypted lvm partition... what to do? http://paste.debian.net/45437 |
| 04:16.34 | penp | jair: or you have other devices on sda/sdb |
| 04:17.03 | jair | penp: alright the tricky part is that I have vmware workstation running on this server and I want give access to one of my virtual machines to the floppy on the host. |
| 04:17.05 | abrotman | jair: it's because it's a usb drive |
| 04:17.15 | abrotman | jair: so tell vmware where to find it |
| 04:17.15 | jair | right |
| 04:17.16 | xsdg | CompWizrd: no, I mean on my machine, I have this 500GB raid one, and a 40GB root, which is way more space than I'll ever need |
| 04:17.25 | penp | jair: and you cant just share /dev/sdc? |
| 04:17.28 | jair | abrotman: "/dev/sdc" |
| 04:17.33 | CppIsWeird | i added the following to gnome-session-properties "x11vnc -rfbauth ~/.vnc/passwd" the command works when i enter it directly into terminal, and the service is up when the user logs in, however it keeps saying the password is wrong. |
| 04:17.35 | abrotman | or /dev/fd0 |
| 04:17.40 | jair | hmm |
| 04:17.50 | CompWizrd | ahhh... the 14x300 gb machine boots off a 16 meg compact flash card attached to a CF-IDE adapter. |
| 04:17.51 | penp | jair: there might be a way to map /dev/fd0 or /dev/floppy to /dev/sdc |
| 04:17.55 | jair | abrotman: let me try those |
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| 04:18.02 | CompWizrd | 6000 dollar machine boots off a 5 dollar CF card. |
| 04:18.03 | jair | hmm |
| 04:18.07 | xsdg | :o) |
| 04:18.17 | jair | penp: do i need to add the settings on the fstab? |
| 04:18.26 | jair | so the floppy drive gets auto maunted? |
| 04:18.30 | jair | I don't think so |
| 04:18.41 | penp | jair: not if vmware is directly accessing the device |
| 04:18.48 | penp | jair: fstab would only affect host mounts |
| 04:19.11 | jpiccolo | CompWizrd: so dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/sdc will completely erase the drive right? |
| 04:19.14 | penp | jair: i dont think you'd want fstab to auto-mount a floppy device anyway :b |
| 04:19.21 | Vasistha | jair: the 'auto' flag in fstab refers to whether a device should be mounted when 'mount -a' is called (e.g. at boot time) |
| 04:19.25 | penp | jpiccolo: yeah |
| 04:19.43 | Vasistha | oops, typo :p rather, http://paste.debian.net/45438 |
| 04:19.44 | jpiccolo | including the superblocks a raid array writes to it? |
| 04:19.44 | penp | oh yeah |
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| 04:19.51 | penp | jpiccolo: yes |
| 04:19.54 | jair | I think I have an idea |
| 04:19.56 | xsdg | jpiccolo: you want to do bs=1M or something like that |
| 04:20.05 | xsdg | jpiccolo: small blocksize will kill your throughput |
| 04:20.10 | penp | jpiccolo: ive messed up a system by accidentally writing /dev/zero to the wrong drive, fucked up the boot sector and had to reinstall |
| 04:20.17 | penp | it also over-wrote the partition table |
| 04:20.22 | jair | if I tell vmware that it will be using a use virtual drive then it may recognize it on the virtual machine |
| 04:20.24 | jpiccolo | yeah i did bs=50M |
| 04:20.25 | penp | so nothing could be read from the disc |
| 04:20.29 | penp | even though i stopped it before |
| 04:20.37 | crschmidt | Where can I find a current upgrading-checklist.txt ? |
| 04:20.44 | Vasistha | penp: damn. I think parted has a rescue mode for that situation, but it's not necessarily easy to make that work |
| 04:20.58 | stew | crschmidt: for which upgrade? |
| 04:20.59 | abrotman | crschmidt: the what? |
| 04:21.00 | jpiccolo | penp: yeah i just need to wipe the drive so i can redo the raid array |
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| 04:21.07 | abrotman | there's a checklist? |
| 04:21.13 | jpiccolo | penp: well drives |
| 04:21.15 | penp | Vasistha: yeah..it was a windows box though, so that makes recovery even more impossible, ntfs is so broken its not funny |
| 04:21.30 | penp | jpiccolo: yeah, if the superblock is what's keeping mdadm from re-adding it, that should work |
| 04:21.31 | Vasistha | penp: yipe. |
| 04:21.32 | gg | if is? |
| 04:21.35 | abrotman | oh .. there is! |
| 04:21.42 | gg | why is ntfs broken? |
| 04:21.52 | abrotman | broken? |
| 04:22.04 | yusu0 | right how do u open udp ports i cant use firestarter cause well that just wont work, so anyone any other way |
| 04:22.06 | CppIsWeird | i added the following to gnome-session-properties "x11vnc -rfbauth ~/.vnc/passwd" the command works when i enter it directly into terminal, and the service is up when the user logs in, however it keeps saying the password is wrong. so i have to kill it and start it manually. Anyone have any ideas why this is? |
| 04:22.11 | jpiccolo | penp: well i am going to completely redo the system, zero the 3 raid drives and reinstall debian |
| 04:22.15 | penp | gg: with usb removable drives, even using 'safely remove device' and unplugging the drive, $LogFile still states that the drive was removed uncleanly |
| 04:22.24 | penp | gg: making it impossible to mount in linux with ntfs-3g |
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| 04:22.33 | jpiccolo | penp: debian is on the 4th drive |
| 04:22.52 | penp | jpiccolo: just make sure your /boot stays on the 4th drive |
| 04:23.25 | jpiccolo | penp: yeah i pull the raid drives while install the os so everything is clean |
| 04:23.34 | crschmidt | stew: debian-policy upgrading-checklist |
| 04:23.42 | crschmidt | Sorry. |
| 04:23.49 | stew | crschmidt: /usr/share/doc/debian-policy |
| 04:23.55 | crschmidt | I'm not on sid |
| 04:24.01 | crschmidt | So mine doesn't represent the latest changes |
| 04:24.03 | Vasistha | yusu0: I use guarddog, it's an easy gui program that sets up an iptables firewall. I've never done udp stuff, but I have noticed udp settings that look very easy to configure |
| 04:24.19 | stew | crschmidt: http://packages.debian.org/debian-policy |
| 04:24.53 | crschmidt | It's not on the web anywhere? |
| 04:25.23 | Vasistha | so, the grub line: root=/dev/mapper/lvmdevi-lvmroot : how is that going to access the password-encrypted partition? I would expect it would need to include a password request somewhere |
| 04:25.41 | jpiccolo | well dd finished i think, its not in top anymore |
| 04:25.43 | mosty | is there an option for dhcp interfaces in the networks so that dhcp doesn't block while trying to get an address? i'd like it to just fork and continue booting |
| 04:25.58 | jpiccolo | is there a way i can tell for sure the driver is zeroed out? |
| 04:26.09 | jair | I try using the vmware usb virtual floppy but in version 6 if I created the virtual machine compatible with ESX server the usb is not supported :( |
| 04:26.15 | stew | crschmidt: it would be in an email to dda as well |
| 04:26.17 | xsdg | mosty: you can edit the script in /etc/init.d |
| 04:26.20 | penp | jpiccolo: fdisk -l should show it as unformatted |
| 04:26.30 | xsdg | mosty: it does that so that stuff that starts after it and wants net will have net, though |
| 04:26.37 | penp | jpiccolo: which you can usually achieve just by overwriting the first few sectors |
| 04:26.40 | CppIsWeird | i added the following to gnome-session-properties "x11vnc -rfbauth ~/.vnc/passwd" the command works when i enter it directly into terminal, and the service is up when the user logs in, however it keeps saying the password is wrong. so i have to kill it and start it manually. Anyone have any ideas why this is? |
| 04:26.42 | jair | so again I indicate "/dev/sdc" which is what the host show and nothing :( |
| 04:26.48 | xsdg | mosty: (that is, it _doesn't_ run in the background for that reason) |
| 04:26.49 | stew | crschmidt: http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2007/12/msg00001.html |
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| 04:26.57 | mosty | xsdg, all my services listen on 0.0.0.0 so there's no need to wait for dhcp to finish |
| 04:27.09 | jpiccolo | penp: Disk /dev/sdb doesn't contain a valid partition table |
| 04:27.11 | Vasistha | CppIsWeird: I'd ask irc.gnome.org |
| 04:27.18 | xsdg | mosty: ok, so /etc/init.d/network ? |
| 04:27.29 | penp | jpiccolo: yeah..try creating new table and re-adding it to the raid/lvm |
| 04:27.33 | jpiccolo | what is: Disk /dev/dm-0 |
| 04:27.45 | mosty | xsdg, i don't see any occurences of dhcp in the init script |
| 04:27.45 | penp | jpiccolo: probably your degraded raid array |
| 04:27.47 | xsdg | jpiccolo: I imagine "devicemapper" |
| 04:27.47 | yusu0 | <Vasisth just installed guard dog where is it to open |
| 04:27.59 | xsdg | mosty: does it run ifup -a? |
| 04:27.59 | penp | or that |
| 04:28.05 | mosty | xsdg, yes |
| 04:28.21 | Vasistha | yusu0: dude, I don't know. I press alt+f2 and type 'guarddog' |
| 04:28.22 | jpiccolo | penp: i am not even going to try with old array |
| 04:28.24 | xsdg | mosty: that (eventually) runs dhclient (man 5 interfaces) |
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| 04:28.28 | penp | jpiccolo: ok lol |
| 04:28.30 | xsdg | mosty: and see /etc/network/interfaces |
| 04:28.36 | jpiccolo | penp: i am just zeroing and starting over fresh |
| 04:28.44 | jpiccolo | penp: nothing was on it anyways |
| 04:28.54 | xsdg | mosty: so, you can probably just make it ifup -a > /dev/null & |
| 04:28.57 | xsdg | or something like that |
| 04:29.10 | mosty | xsdg, good idea |
| 04:29.11 | xsdg | actually, ifup -a >&/dev/null & |
| 04:29.20 | xsdg | (since those messages end up in syslog anyway) |
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| 04:31.24 | raite | Good nigth (well nigth in my country) i need some help, My problem is: i have Debian Lenny *86 and a partition with ntfs that i need to see on it, i mount my partition well but when i try to see the files that i have inside i cant see one folder, that folder is "My Documents" of windows, if i umount that partition and mount it again (with mount -a comand) i can see everything, but if i don i cant see that folder and the subfolder ethier. Can somebody help me |
| 04:31.24 | raite | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:32.07 | jair | penp: how can I map the "/dev/sdc" to -> "/dev/fd0" |
| 04:32.17 | jpiccolo | penp: those dm-0 things will go away if i reinstall debian right |
| 04:32.30 | jair | because that is what debian etch is finding as floppy drive => "/dev/sdc" |
| 04:32.39 | jair | this is an external usb floppy drive |
| 04:32.47 | xsdg | jair: if it's a one-time affair, just symlink manually |
| 04:32.53 | xsdg | jair: otherwise, poke at the udev config files |
| 04:33.05 | xsdg | jair: (see /etc/udev or /usr/share/doc/udev/examples/) |
| 04:33.11 | jair | xsdg: symlink will be ok |
| 04:33.45 | jair | xsdg: so ln -s ? |
| 04:34.09 | xsdg | jair: yup |
| 04:34.12 | jair | symbolic link right xsdg |
| 04:34.13 | jair | ok |
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| 04:34.43 | jair | will be => ln -s /dev/sdc /dev/fd0? |
| 04:35.29 | jair | actually => ln -s /dev/fd0 /dev/sdc |
| 04:35.31 | jair | right? |
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| 04:37.23 | jpiccolo | penp: those dm-0 things will go away if i reinstall debian right |
| 04:37.35 | jair | help? |
| 04:37.44 | jair | xsdg: which one I should do? |
| 04:37.51 | jair | will be => ln -s /dev/sdc /dev/fd0? |
| 04:38.01 | xsdg | yes |
| 04:38.05 | jair | or ln -s /dev/fd0 /dev/sdc |
| 04:38.14 | jpiccolo | sdc frst |
| 04:38.16 | xsdg | jair: it's always ln <from> <to> |
| 04:38.22 | jair | ok |
| 04:38.26 | penp | jpiccolo: no idea |
| 04:38.27 | jpiccolo | ls is reverse of what it usually is |
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| 04:38.33 | jair | and where should I be located? |
| 04:38.39 | jpiccolo | ln i mean |
| 04:38.44 | jair | in what directory should I be "pwd"? |
| 04:38.46 | xsdg | jair: it doesn't matter, as long as you use absolute paths |
| 04:38.53 | jair | ok |
| 04:39.02 | jair | let me try xsdg |
| 04:39.03 | jair | thanks |
| 04:39.14 | jpiccolo | penp: i would think so, i think that like part of a lvm which the os keeps track of right? |
| 04:39.27 | sparr | My new motherboard has what lspci identifies as "nVidia Corporation MCP61 High Definition Audio (rev a2) | Subsystem: Giga-byte Technology Unknown device a002" for an audio device. Sound works great in many apps, but in a few games I hear crackling in the music and sounds that is very annoying. Help? |
| 04:39.58 | penp | jpiccolo: no idea, never messed w/ software raid/lvm lol |
| 04:40.14 | stew | sparr: please go to a channel specific to your distribution |
| 04:40.50 | sparr | stew: i put debian on this machine last time someone told me that. so nyah |
| 04:40.51 | jpiccolo | penp: well i successfully erased the superblock on the first drive i tried to do it to so that is a success |
| 04:41.00 | penp | cool |
| 04:41.00 | stew | sparr: what version of debian are you running? |
| 04:41.05 | sparr | testing |
| 04:41.08 | xsdg | stew: you sort of walked into that one :o) |
| 04:41.31 | stew | sparr: what does "uname -r" say? |
| 04:41.39 | sparr | stew: in debian? no idea, havent run it since then. |
| 04:41.57 | jpiccolo | 3 gigs is good for a debian base install right? |
| 04:42.09 | stew | sparr: type "uname -r" and tell me what the output is |
| 04:42.19 | penp | jpiccolo: deb base install fits into 250-300mb |
| 04:42.24 | penp | jpiccolo: so yeah |
| 04:42.24 | xsdg | jpiccolo: you mean space-wise? should be more than enough (though you'll probably end up needing more for long-term) |
| 04:42.57 | jpiccolo | this is to pratice my mdadm skills so i dont do this crap again |
| 04:43.09 | jpiccolo | doing it in a cm |
| 04:43.11 | jpiccolo | vm |
| 04:43.14 | sparr | steve: 2.6.22-3-686 |
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| 04:43.35 | sparr | stew: ^^ |
| 04:43.49 | penp | lulz |
| 04:43.53 | penp | irssi |
| 04:44.00 | stew | sparr: you are being unclear. are you running debian or not? |
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| 04:44.10 | penp | stew: he said testing earlier |
| 04:44.13 | sparr | right now? no. |
| 04:44.23 | sparr | maybe im booted into windows because sound works there :) |
| 04:44.38 | stew | sparr: your questions are off-topic in here, please go to a channel specific to your distrubution |
| 04:44.44 | penp | lol |
| 04:44.56 | sparr | ouch, no support for dual booters in #debian any more? sad day :( |
| 04:44.58 | Claudio32m | does the word "Debian" belong to a company? can it be used part of a domain name without any special permission? |
| 04:45.21 | xsdg | Claudio32m: undoubtedly, yes (to the latter question) |
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| 04:45.23 | stew | sparr: we support debian only in here |
| 04:45.23 | penp | Debian is a registered trademark of Software in the Public Interest, Inc. |
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| 04:45.33 | sparr | good, im only looking for support for debian |
| 04:45.33 | penp | http://www.us.debian.org/trademark |
| 04:45.58 | sparr | earlier i was looking for support for debian-tools, but not debian-distro, which i know is a touchy subject here. |
| 04:46.06 | sparr | but now im not |
| 04:46.07 | stew | sparr: for which distro? |
| 04:46.24 | jpiccolo | what is the bisinesscard iso |
| 04:46.35 | sparr | earlier today, ubuntu. the other day, damnsmalllinux and knoppix |
| 04:46.35 | xsdg | jpiccolo: it fits on a businesscard CD |
| 04:46.41 | xsdg | jpiccolo: just use regular netinst |
| 04:46.57 | jpiccolo | well crap i will use that for a vm install |
| 04:47.04 | penp | jpiccolo: businesscard just needs to download more during install |
| 04:47.05 | stew | sparr: and right now what are you running? |
| 04:47.09 | mosty | sparr, what are you trying to do now? |
| 04:47.12 | penp | jpiccolo: since it doesnt have the base system |
| 04:47.18 | sparr | mosty: find working audio drivers |
| 04:47.47 | mosty | sparr, did you check the alsa website? |
| 04:47.50 | sparr | stew: windows->xen->kubuntu |
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| 04:48.02 | xsdg | jpiccolo: I should clarify, "the businesscard ISO fits on a businesscard CD. it still downloads more data than will fit on the businesscard CD during the install" |
| 04:48.10 | stew | sparr: please go to #ubuntu or #kubuntu for questions about kubuntu, you are off-topic in here |
| 04:48.15 | sparr | i do |
| 04:48.21 | sparr | right now im not asking about ubuntu or kubuntu |
| 04:48.23 | sparr | im asking about debian |
| 04:48.27 | stew | sparr: stop |
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| 04:48.29 | Claudio32m | so as long as its not a business name its fine from what I read |
| 04:48.29 | sparr | mosty: yes, nothing specific |
| 04:48.46 | mosty | sparr, if alsa doesn't support it, you're out of luck |
| 04:48.57 | penp | Claudio32m: If you want to use the name in some other way, you should ask us first. |
| 04:49.17 | sparr | mosty: it seems to mostly-support it. works fine in almost everything. except a few games have static/crackling |
| 04:49.23 | Claudio32m | I just want to register a domain .com name with debian part of it, i will be offering free debian shells |
| 04:49.32 | mosty | sparr, perhaps try a newer kernel |
| 04:49.47 | penp | Claudio32m: i'd try contacting them from the contact page |
| 04:49.55 | Claudio32m | allright |
| 04:50.05 | Claudio32m | or just use another name |
| 04:50.06 | Claudio32m | simpler |
| 04:50.14 | sparr | heh, when i ran debian as my main distro i generally ran unstable. i was trying to stick to testing for the time being, and ive got the newest kernel in testing |
| 04:50.29 | mosty | sparr, you can compile your own kernel from kernel.org |
| 04:50.36 | sparr | :( |
| 04:50.43 | mosty | or try backports.org |
| 04:53.25 | jpiccolo | xsdg: yeah thats fine |
| 04:54.18 | xsdg | jpiccolo: another thing I meant to hint at but didn't is that you should use the regular netinst iso unless you really need the space -- the businesscard ISO omits installer components that you might want |
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| 04:54.42 | xsdg | jpiccolo: (for instance, I believe the regulor netinst ISO supports a wider range of NICs, though I might be making that up) |
| 04:55.30 | stew | they support the same hardware |
| 04:57.09 | xsdg | stew: what's the difference, then? (the extra extra installer components?) |
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| 04:57.44 | stew | xsdg: between businessacard and netinst? |
| 04:57.59 | penp | xsdg: I believe the netinst contains the base system packages, and just connects to the net for packages other than base system, while businesscard actually has to download the base system as well |
| 04:58.08 | stew | ^^^ |
| 04:58.27 | penp | xsdg: because I usually just install from netinst and dont install any of the tasks, and it doesnt have to download anything |
| 04:59.47 | xsdg | penp: ok, that makes sense |
| 05:00.15 | penp | xsdg: so to get my wireless working i manually downloaded ndiswrapper and its dependencies on anotehr comp and copied them to a usb floppy drive |
| 05:00.22 | penp | xsdg it was a pain in the ass but it worked lol :) |
| 05:00.54 | penp | is there a way to use apt to download a set of packages/deps to a folder? |
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| 05:01.01 | penp | that would be pretty awesome :\ |
| 05:01.26 | stew | penp: --download-only will download them to /var/cache/apt/archives |
| 05:01.39 | penp | stew: even if i already have them installed? |
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| 05:03.41 | stew | penp: no, i don't think so |
| 05:04.23 | penp | maybe if you could fake the package manager out into thinking you have no packages installed... |
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| 05:05.45 | Guerin | i think you can specify the root |
| 05:05.53 | Guerin | though I'm not sure |
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| 05:17.14 | jpiccolo | well to all those i was talking to |
| 05:17.25 | jpiccolo | i just made a raid 5 on a vm |
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| 05:17.54 | jpiccolo | simualted a failed disk and then was able to readd the disk back in after a reboot |
| 05:18.13 | penp | cool |
| 05:18.16 | jpiccolo | so it was the lvm that was causing me problems |
| 05:18.28 | penp | hm |
| 05:18.34 | penp | did you make one lvm or 3 separate lvms |
| 05:18.35 | penp | ? |
| 05:18.59 | jpiccolo | before i made one lvm that was on top of the 3 disk raid array |
| 05:19.18 | penp | try making |
| 05:19.22 | jpiccolo | so all the disk were busy because they were part of the lvm |
| 05:19.27 | penp | lvms on the partitions before you make the array |
| 05:19.31 | penp | 3 separate |
| 05:19.34 | penp | then making array |
| 05:19.39 | penp | and see if it works as expected |
| 05:20.29 | jpiccolo | well i only did that so i could add disks at a later date, but the kernel now supports adding disks to a raid 5 by default so i can just do that though mdadm |
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| 05:21.00 | penp | lvm will allow you to make the partitions larger, so if you ever need to use larger discs you wouldnt have to backup/reformat |
| 05:21.09 | penp | thats pretty much all it would help you for |
| 05:21.42 | jpiccolo | put from what i read you can just add a disk to mdadm and expand the array with out reformating |
| 05:22.29 | penp | it will add another disc, which will work for raid 5 |
| 05:22.41 | penp | but you could take a 3x300 raid5 and say, replace with 3x750 without reformating |
| 05:22.56 | jpiccolo | oh i see |
| 05:22.59 | penp | but if you just add a disc and make 4x300 |
| 05:23.05 | penp | that is what will work with the kern |
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| 05:25.19 | jpiccolo | penp: i think not using a lvm will be good enough |
| 05:25.19 | Ryan52 | how do I put a computer into 'sleep' mode from the command line? |
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| 05:26.31 | jpiccolo | penp: and just adding 500 gig drives will be good enough, by the time the need to update the size of the actual drives becomes a factor the drives will be huge and we will be able to back up to just one drive and make a hole new drive |
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| 05:26.36 | jpiccolo | array i mean |
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| 05:28.22 | jpiccolo | penp: i may have been that i didnt id the partitions on the other array as linux raid partitions either, oops |
| 05:28.39 | penp | jpiccolo: thats probably it |
| 05:28.47 | penp | jpiccolo: you might try that w/ lvm and see what happens |
| 05:28.58 | jpiccolo | penp: yeah trying now |
| 05:29.10 | Ryan52 | nvm |
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| 05:29.24 | jpiccolo | penp: if this works, this will have been a good learning experience for me |
| 05:30.27 | jpiccolo | is there a way to search a package here? |
| 05:31.05 | penp | jpiccolo: lol idunno, but if your'e on debian just open a terminal |
| 05:31.22 | penp | apt-cache search |
| 05:31.37 | jpiccolo | like i need pvcreate |
| 05:31.45 | jpiccolo | how do i know what package i need? |
| 05:31.55 | jpiccolo | i am tired of googleing all the time |
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| 05:32.59 | penp | jpiccolo: apt-cache search pvcreate |
| 05:33.25 | penp | hm |
| 05:33.27 | penp | no results |
| 05:33.31 | jpiccolo | yeah |
| 05:33.31 | penp | lol |
| 05:33.38 | penp | what is pvcreate |
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| 05:33.54 | jpiccolo | its what you need to make lvm's |
| 05:34.01 | penp | hm |
| 05:34.06 | jpiccolo | along with vgcreat |
| 05:34.08 | jpiccolo | e |
| 05:34.14 | penp | vm2 - The Linux Logical Volume Manager |
| 05:34.15 | multi_io | dlocate pvcreate |
| 05:34.16 | penp | er |
| 05:34.17 | penp | lvm2 |
| 05:34.21 | penp | try |
| 05:34.23 | penp | apt-cache search lvm |
| 05:34.33 | multi_io | apt-file search pvcreate |
| 05:34.47 | multi_io | !apt-file |
| 05:34.47 | dpkg | i guess apt-file is a utility used to find which package owns a given file, or list files in a package, see also <auto-apt> and <pdo>, or use apt-file: "aptitude install apt-file && apt-file update" ; then "apt-file search filename" will give you a list of packages containing filename. |
| 05:35.09 | multi_io | !dlocate |
| 05:35.09 | dpkg | i guess dlocate is can be used to locate the package a file belongs to |
| 05:35.24 | jpiccolo | lvm2 has it in it |
| 05:35.42 | penp | there you go |
| 05:36.02 | jpiccolo | isn't kinda a pain to have to know what your sorta looking for |
| 05:36.11 | jpiccolo | well that really didnt make sense |
| 05:36.13 | jpiccolo | lol |
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| 05:40.27 | jpiccolo | penp: ok lvm created on top of the raid array |
| 05:40.35 | jpiccolo | time to simulate a disk failure |
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| 05:42.06 | jpiccolo | ok drive busy like before, but reboot solve problem before |
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| 05:43.48 | jpiccolo | bam worked |
| 05:44.07 | jpiccolo | this is all because i didnt have the partitions as a linux raid |
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| 05:44.30 | jpiccolo | wow i feel dumb now |
| 05:44.36 | bpun | wow.. this would be good for linux desktop -- http://www.cs.cmu.edu/~johnny/projects/wii/ |
| 05:46.19 | jpiccolo | haha nothing against this guy, i think that project is awesome, but he does define the word geek |
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| 05:49.27 | jpiccolo | that is pretty sweet |
| 05:49.44 | lhadji | the head tracking is intense. |
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| 05:52.40 | Vasistha | grub can't boot encrypted lvm partition... what to do? http://paste.debian.net/45438 |
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| 05:52.57 | bpun | the problem is it's in C## and someone would have to take that as an offense |
| 05:53.11 | bpun | otherwise great research |
| 05:53.44 | bpun | Vasistha, lvm partition or lvm volume? |
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| 05:54.39 | Vasistha | bpun: hmm. the volume contains two partitions ... one partition is '/' ... and /boot is, of course, not part of the encryption or the lvm |
| 05:56.00 | bpun | Vasista, actually according to my experience the naming is the latter <lvm partition>lvm volume(s)</lvm partition> if i'm correct.. |
| 05:56.14 | Zoup | its a debian stable machine running nvidia drivers , all is OK until i was tried to run some application ( glx related i guess ) like mplayer , xmms , etc as normal user , i get segmentation fault while its OK using root , heres strace out of mplayer http://paste.debian.net/45442 |
| 05:56.58 | Vasistha | bpun: I'm not sure how that applies ... are you suggesting that there may be an error in my menu.lst ? I find that doubtful, because it was set up by the debian installer |
| 05:57.34 | bpun | Vasistha, well i have no clue what you're doing.. you're telling me too many things here.. what are you trying to do? |
| 05:57.44 | Vasistha | bpun: boot the system. |
| 05:58.03 | bpun | Vasistha, so you have 1 OS installed on the system? |
| 05:58.16 | Zoup | its fixed by chmod 755 /usr/lib/tls , thanks! :) |
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| 05:58.28 | Vasistha | bpun: I just installed debian on a usb flash drive, and had the debian installer create an encrypted lvm containing '/' and '/home' |
| 05:59.27 | bpun | Vasistha, ok |
| 06:00.10 | bpun | Vasistha, I believe there has to be a non-encryption part of the bootup.. possibly /boot |
| 06:00.41 | bpun | Vasistha, and fstab |
| 06:00.42 | Vasistha | bpun: when I boot, I get the grub menu.lst that is on the usb drive, and when I select the first entry, I get the error screen shown in the pastebin. And of course the kernel and initrd are on that /boot partition along with the menu.lst that is being successfully read |
| 06:01.04 | Vasistha | fstab, huh? well, that's a thought ... I wonder how I set that up! |
| 06:01.04 | bpun | anybody want to input some feed into this? I think i'm on the right idea on this.. |
| 06:01.38 | ugpst | what does a "v" on the left column of aptitude packages mean? |
| 06:01.47 | bpun | Vasistha, did you chose to encrypt from the ncurses dialog screens or did you encrypt these volumes in a rescue shell? |
| 06:01.52 | Vasistha | bpun: I dunno about that. the root partition gets mounted before fstab is read in any typical boot |
| 06:02.23 | Vasistha | bpun: it was in the ncurses screens ... I typed in the password, and set up the lvm partitions, using the debian installer |
| 06:03.16 | bpun | Vasistha, I believe there's something missing.. I believe there's supposed to be a prompt for the password for any encrypted volumes on console.. |
| 06:03.39 | bpun | Vasistha, possibly something in the bootline might do it.. but am not sure.. |
| 06:03.58 | bpun | Vasistha, I would google about the fstab file.. |
| 06:04.27 | bpun | Vasistha, do you know what encryption scheme was used? |
| 06:05.00 | Vasistha | bpun: yes, I expect to be confronted with a password rather on the early side ... but the grub menu.lst's I see on the internet that are related to encrypted lvm don't look any different than mine. I guess I'll pastebin the relevant menu.lst entry |
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| 06:05.20 | Vasistha | bpun: no, I don't know which encryption scheme was used -- it'd be the debian default, which someone here ought to know :) |
| 06:05.33 | bpun | Vasistha, paste the entire thing.. and foobar any private data |
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| 06:10.51 | Vasistha | bpun: here's my menu.lst : http://paste.debian.net/45443 |
| 06:12.12 | Vasistha | bpun: I notice that it looks very similar to the one here: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/EncryptedFilesystemLVMHowto although it's somewhat different from the one here: http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/179 |
| 06:13.25 | bpun | Vasistha, the "/dev/names" are labels on the filesystems .. they would be different for you.. |
| 06:13.36 | bpun | Vasistha, it's a misleading notion.. |
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| 06:13.56 | Vasistha | bpun: well, what I mean by "similar" is that they both use /dev/mapper devices |
| 06:13.57 | bpun | Vasistha, actually in this case i believe they're not labels.. since i think you need LABEL= |
| 06:14.43 | bpun | Vasistha, boot up in a rescue mode and find the names of the volume names.. |
| 06:15.20 | Vasistha | bpun: how exactly am I supposed to boot up in rescue mode? :) |
| 06:15.31 | bpun | Vasistha, there's lvm binary tools to tackle this.. |
| 06:15.31 | ugpst | what does the letters "a V p" on the left column of aptitude packages mean? |
| 06:15.53 | bpun | Vasistha, it's tricky but i'm sure you can do it.. you can mount the lvm partition with encryption.. |
| 06:16.30 | Vasistha | bpun: I ought to be able to do that, you're right -- although I don't think I need to boot in rescue mode in order to do it :) |
| 06:17.29 | bpun | Vasistha, o ya.. thre's something about an encryption key file.. i think you were supposed to save this somewhere no? |
| 06:18.14 | bpun | Vasistha, ok :) the lvm command is tricky.. but I have an idea about how to go about it.. |
| 06:18.15 | Vasistha | bpun: well, I don't remember ever encountering such a thing. Last time I encrypted a drive, I did so with a simple password ... there wasn't any key file. |
| 06:18.33 | Vasistha | bpun: let me see if I can get this other computer booted up |
| 06:18.46 | bpun | Vasistha, that's good .. i guess what this ubunto doc says-- is to use the thumbdrive file as a backup .. |
| 06:19.10 | bpun | Vasistha, but in your case your install is on the flash drive.. so no misconception here... you just want to type in the password.. |
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| 06:20.33 | Vasistha | bpun: well, yeah. one can have an encryption key instead of (or perhaps as well as) a password, and then if you put that key file on a usb drive, you have to have the drive in order to open things up. But I didn't do that type of setup... I just have a password. |
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| 06:21.34 | bpun | Vasistha, that debian doc may be old.. mentions about issues to 2004 |
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| 06:23.23 | Nyle_ | hm |
| 06:24.10 | Vasistha | bpun: which one, the ubuntu one? or the debian-administration? They're using 2.6.15, which is pretty old :P |
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| 06:24.42 | bullgard4 | What is meant by 'parameter expansion'? |
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| 06:25.21 | Vasistha | bullgard4: see answer in #bash |
| 06:25.21 | rdz | hi. how to disable root login for ssh? |
| 06:26.08 | Nyle | !namaste Vasistha |
| 06:26.08 | dpkg | Vasistha: I honor the Spirit in you which is also in me |
| 06:26.10 | bpun | Vasistha, actually it's just a single issue but the debian lvm doc is ok ~2006.. i think the mount command with any encrypted filesystems uses something with losetup? |
| 06:26.19 | Nyle | Vasistha: dpkg likes you |
| 06:26.35 | Vasistha | :) |
| 06:26.49 | ugpst | rdz: add root to "deny users" in sshd_config |
| 06:26.50 | lhadji | rdz, go to your /etc/sshd_config - under #authentication you should see an option that says PermitRootLogin Yes |
| 06:27.08 | lhadji | er /etc/ssh/sshd_config :) |
| 06:27.29 | rdz | lhadji, there is not such line and if i create it, vi doesn't highlight the syntax |
| 06:28.01 | rdz | ugpst, there is also no 'deny user' line |
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| 06:28.52 | rdz | can i trust vim's syntax highlightin? if not, how do i know, whether PermitRootLogin no works or not? |
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| 06:29.17 | sparr | whats the factoid for the nvidia one liner? |
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| 06:29.52 | Nyle | !nvidia one-liner |
| 06:29.52 | dpkg | nvidia one-liner is probably apt-get install nvidia-kernel-2.6-`uname -r | sed 's,.*-,,g'` nvidia-settings nvidia-glx && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg (if you're on amd64, also install nvidia-glx-ia32. Using sarge? Ask me about <nvidia_sarge>. Homegrown or kernel from testing/sid: <nvidia_post_etch>. If you're using a Geforce2 or older: <nvidia_legacy>. |
| 06:29.58 | bpun | Vasistha, all you need to know if lvm volumes are treated with losetup as the standard in debian.. |
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| 06:30.29 | ugpst | rdz: you can add denyuser, it's an option you can read about in the docs that is not found by default |
| 06:30.39 | ugpst | i think permitrootlogin is there by default though |
| 06:30.43 | bpun | can anyone confirm if encrypted any filesystem always requires losetup? |
| 06:30.55 | lhadji | rdz, PermitRootLogin no in sshd_config should do the trick.. i think you have to restart the server for it work as well |
| 06:31.00 | bpun | i believe this may be so... |
| 06:31.08 | bpun | Vasistha, you there? |
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| 06:31.16 | Vasistha | bpun: yeah... |
| 06:31.28 | bpun | Vasistha, find this out and let me know ok? :) |
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| 06:31.43 | ugpst | you can be pretty sure that it will work |
| 06:31.53 | ugpst | try it out! |
| 06:31.56 | rdz | lhadji, if by any change the file is corrupt, will sshd restart anyway? otherwise i am screwed |
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| 06:32.06 | rdz | ugpst, thanks |
| 06:32.23 | Vasistha | bpun: trying to get it mounted on this other computer |
| 06:32.40 | ugpst | np |
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| 06:33.07 | Nyle | my room mate stole my grinder |
| 06:33.09 | Nyle | fucking asshole |
| 06:33.10 | bpun | Vasistha, i actually wanted to do this a while ago and never had the time .. i'll let you be my test monkey :) |
| 06:33.18 | blubberdiblub | rdz: as long as you stay logged in, you won't get screwed. just check the syslog after restarting sshd before logging out/in |
| 06:33.42 | blubberdiblub | or the process list |
| 06:33.44 | Nyle | any ps emulator for debian? |
| 06:33.49 | Nyle | playstation |
| 06:33.53 | Nyle | i looked around and found nothing |
| 06:33.54 | mbroeker | rdz, ssh will not start if it detects an unknown or misspelled option in the config file. |
| 06:34.08 | Nyle | i wanna play budokai dbz, and i just got a gravis gamepad pro ultra |
| 06:34.25 | rdz | blubberdiblub, thanks good to know |
| 06:34.43 | blubberdiblub | Nyle: pcsx-df? |
| 06:35.04 | Nyle | hm |
| 06:35.07 | rdz | however, i still doubt that PermitRootLogin is the wrong way.. it is not mentioned at all in 'man ssh_config'. is the man page wrong? |
| 06:35.09 | Nyle | playstation 1 eh |
| 06:35.13 | Nyle | or x 1/2 |
| 06:35.14 | Nyle | ? |
| 06:35.25 | blubberdiblub | yes, 1 |
| 06:35.34 | rdz | *is the correct option |
| 06:35.56 | blubberdiblub | rdz: man sshd_config (note the d) |
| 06:36.01 | mbroeker | rdz, i have that option set to no and root cannot log in. it works for me: why not for you? |
| 06:36.07 | rdz | blubberdiblub, thanks |
| 06:36.12 | Nyle | did you restart sshd? |
| 06:36.23 | Nyle | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:36.24 | Nyle | etc. |
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| 06:36.53 | bpun | ought to logout and login for the ssh session.. ssh session is not always killed if ssh server simply restarted.. |
| 06:36.57 | Nyle | you have to restart a service after you modify its config |
| 06:37.06 | Nyle | wel if you want it to take effec |
| 06:37.12 | lhadji | :) |
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| 06:37.40 | rdz | sorry for the noise guys... i was editing ssh_config all the time..... not sshd_config |
| 06:37.48 | rdz | thank oyu all for your help |
| 06:37.48 | lhadji | ouch |
| 06:37.52 | Nyle | yeh well stop being a token |
| 06:38.28 | blubberdiblub | bpun: exactly ... normally the current session is not killed at all, so you have a chance to correct mistakes if you made any ;) |
| 06:38.38 | Vasistha | bpun: hm, well, I ran cryptsetup, but I'm not sure how to deal with the lvm |
| 06:39.01 | bpun | also, to be sure one can stop and start the service rather than the status of 'restart' .. |
| 06:39.25 | bpun | Vasistha, well you have to know if losetup is a key to handling encrypted lvm volumes.. |
| 06:39.36 | bpun | Vasistha, if so, then there's a script to check out i believe.. |
| 06:39.38 | blubberdiblub | bpun: that would be dangerous ... what if you accidentally log out after stop? ;) |
| 06:40.00 | bpun | blubberdiblub, well he wants root to login.. so he should have access to the physical machine.. |
| 06:40.18 | bpun | blubberdiblub, (even though su should technicall work) |
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| 06:40.39 | blubberdiblub | [07:31] <rdz> lhadji, if by any change the file is corrupt, will sshd restart anyway? otherwise i am screwed |
| 06:41.00 | bpun | blubberdiblub, i believe there's an sshd option to check the config file.. |
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| 06:41.16 | bpun | blubberdiblub, or list loaded options on the loaded server |
| 06:41.19 | Guerin | never ever ever log out of your ssh session before testing whether it starts again |
| 06:41.24 | blubberdiblub | probably, yes, but of course there's more that can fail than just syntax |
| 06:41.29 | Guerin | restarting sshd WILL NOT kill existing sessions |
| 06:41.35 | bpun | blubberdiblub, do you have access to the physical machine? |
| 06:41.57 | bpun | Guerin, :) |
| 06:41.57 | blubberdiblub | bpun: we're talking about rdz's problem. i don't have one ;) |
| 06:42.33 | Vasistha | blubberdiblub: you don't have a problem? let's see if we can make one for you :D |
| 06:42.37 | Vasistha | j/k |
| 06:42.57 | blubberdiblub | Vasistha: go ahead ;p |
| 06:43.02 | bpun | Guerin, hey man how's it going? |
| 06:43.16 | Guerin | bpun: things are grouse, mate |
| 06:43.23 | bpun | Guerin, hihihi |
| 06:43.27 | Guerin | i spent the day fishing and swimming at the beach |
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| 06:43.47 | Guerin | with mixed luck, but as they say, a bad day fishing is better than a good day doing most anything else |
| 06:44.12 | bpun | Guerin, australia can be tough country.. very close to tux land.. |
| 06:44.30 | Guerin | bpun: yes it can. Haven't visited it for a while, though. |
| 06:44.35 | bpun | Guerin, hope no shark attacks :) |
| 06:44.36 | Nyle | Guerin: I have the mighty leaf. |
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| 06:44.54 | Guerin | Nyle: i do not, a case I'm trying to rectify this now. |
| 06:45.05 | Nyle | i wish you could dcc physical stuff over irc |
| 06:45.11 | Guerin | i wish that too |
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| 06:45.16 | Nyle | you gotta see this spliff i rolled |
| 06:45.24 | Nyle | beautiful, pefectly proportionate |
| 06:45.31 | Nyle | and fat |
| 06:45.39 | Guerin | the person who implements that shit for a fee of, say, 10%, is going to be a wealthy wealthy person indeed. |
| 06:45.54 | Guerin | and much beloved\ |
| 06:45.54 | Nyle | ? |
| 06:45.56 | Nyle | oh |
| 06:46.01 | Guerin | stuff-over-ip |
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| 06:46.50 | Nyle | well |
| 06:46.52 | Nyle | what if a fly gets in? |
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| 06:47.05 | bpun | Guerin, i have a lab monkey vasistha for test-encrypting his locked out lvm volumes.. want to rtfm him up? |
| 06:47.06 | Nyle | see you gotta think about the mishaps |
| 06:47.11 | ugpst | can i use a tool to generate a new inetd.conf if it's missing? |
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| 06:47.36 | Guerin | ugpst: reinstall the packahe |
| 06:47.49 | Guerin | Nyle: this is true. Error correction would be vital. |
| 06:47.55 | Vasistha | technically, at this point, there isn't any data on them, so I wouldn't object to wiping them and starting fresh |
| 06:47.58 | Guerin | Otherwise you might accidentally semd me oregano. |
| 06:48.08 | Nyle | HAHAHAHA |
| 06:48.11 | Nyle | good one |
| 06:48.12 | bpun | Vasistha, you're able to do it :) ... |
| 06:48.13 | Guerin | Vasistha: that sounds like the optimal course of action |
| 06:48.32 | bpun | Vasistha, i believe there's a start script file for the password which isn't being called.. |
| 06:48.38 | edgy | Hi, How can I install a package from an http source in debian like I used to do rpm -i http://server.com/package.deb? |
| 06:48.59 | Vasistha | Guerin: thing is, I don't know why things would turn out any differently than they did -- this was set up by the netinst cd |
| 06:49.18 | bpun | Vasistha, if you copied and pasted your old grub file.. then your lvm volume names are different... just find a relevant doc for it and this can be a detterent if you ever migrate your drive to a new system.. |
| 06:49.20 | Vasistha | edgy: dpkg -i |
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| 06:49.39 | edgy | Vasistha: I tried that but it didn't work |
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| 06:49.58 | bpun | Vasistha, i say it's worth crashing the system.. that way you know more how the system works :) .. just like the american bank system :) |
| 06:50.04 | Vasistha | bpun: I didn't do any copy/paste ... everything was created by the debian installer |
| 06:50.22 | edgy | Vasistha: the error I got is: cannot access archive: No such file or directory |
| 06:50.46 | Vasistha | edgy: maybe you have to download it first and then issue dpkg -i on the local .deb file |
| 06:51.00 | Vasistha | edgy: what package is it? |
| 06:51.15 | Vasistha | edgy: I ask because -- are you sure it's not available from a more typical repository? |
| 06:51.17 | bpun | Vasistha, so what other partitions are there? and what type of architechure is this -- (dos mbr partition?) |
| 06:51.42 | bpun | Vasistha, i mean is the partition table -- dos style ? |
| 06:52.13 | bpun | Vasistha, this would tell me more on the architecture and how the lvm volumes are stored.. |
| 06:52.24 | Vasistha | bpun: the lvm has two partitions, root, and one that I have not set up yet. the drive has just /boot on primary, and lvm on extended |
| 06:52.43 | bpun | Vasistha, boot into rescue and issue fdisk -l |
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| 06:53.58 | bpun | Vasistha, this is an i386 machine.. you're telling me that your config file was pasted... |
| 06:54.12 | Vasistha | bpun: /dev/sda1 (*boot) 248k blocks, id 83, linux; /dev/sda2, 3.7M blocks, id 5, extended; /dev/sda5, 3.7M blocks, id 83, linux |
| 06:54.46 | bpun | Vasistha, you can put it in pastebin.ca -- there's truncation.. |
| 06:54.48 | Vasistha | bpun: yes, i386 - sorry :) when did I say a config file was pasted? |
| 06:55.38 | bpun | Vasistha, so what the hell are you doing all this time? |
| 06:56.04 | Vasistha | bpun: http://paste.debian.net/45445 |
| 06:56.29 | Vasistha | bpun: oh, oh -- here's my menu.lst : http://paste.debian.net/45443 |
| 06:56.44 | edgy | Vasistha: I know i can download it and istall and I tried different packages. The point is maybe dpkg cannot install from a remote location and I want to transfer my rpm knowledge to .deb knowledge so is the comparison |
| 06:58.02 | bpun | edgy.. rtfm my friend.. rpm is not in debian unless you're alien |
| 06:58.09 | bpun | edgy, and alien is evil! |
| 06:58.16 | Vasistha | edgy: yeah, see, there is a difference in perspective. debian's repositories are *huge* and the "debian" way of doing things is to generally only install things that you get from a repository -- so you generally don't install things with dpkg -i |
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| 06:59.19 | Vasistha | edgy: every once in a while there is need to, but it is somewhat unusual - so (although I don't know definitively) it would not surprise me if dpkg -i only supports installing files on a mounted FS |
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| 06:59.33 | bpun | Vasistha, so how big is your drive? |
| 06:59.37 | Vasistha | bpun: 4G |
| 06:59.54 | bpun | Vasistha, ok i see that in the paste |
| 07:00.07 | bpun | Vasistha, well that confirms the geometry is read properly for disk size |
| 07:00.11 | blubberdiblub | Vasistha: does /dev/sda correspond to (hd1)? check grub/device.map (which may occasionally be incorrect as well). is that hd the one that the bios detects as first? then maybe it's (hd0) ... |
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| 07:00.33 | bpun | Vasistha, but i um.. not sure if the disk id type is correct.. i think it's not 83.. |
| 07:00.39 | bpun | for lvm |
| 07:00.54 | Vasistha | blubberdiblub: I'm pretty sure that much is correct. (hd0) is /dev/hda and (hd1) is /dev/sda -- as I would suspect |
| 07:00.57 | wols | bpun: debian ships with rpm. just that if you are using it you're a stupid fool :) |
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| 07:01.46 | bpun | wols, actually it's there for development purposes.. i don't think rpm is the standard here.. |
| 07:01.50 | Vasistha | bpun: well, I don't know either ... again, this is as the debian installer set it up :) |
| 07:02.13 | wols | bpun: of course not. it is there for lsb compliance. idjits :) |
| 07:02.19 | Vasistha | edgy: which package(s) are you looking for? we may know a debian repository where you can get them more easily |
| 07:02.22 | blubberdiblub | Vasistha: ah, okay, you have /dev/hda as well ... anyways, if you have no bootable (flag-wise) partition on /dev/hda, the bios might advertise /dev/sda as (hd0) anyways |
| 07:02.30 | wols | bpun: I means the lsb folks btw |
| 07:02.44 | bpun | wols, i'm not the one on the learning curve.. it seems you need to use dpkg as your best friend |
| 07:02.50 | bpun | ~tell wols about dpkg |
| 07:02.55 | Vasistha | blubberdiblub: well, I am getting the grub menu.lst so I think I can rule that out |
| 07:02.56 | bpun | ~tell wols about rpm |
| 07:03.25 | bpun | don't use rpm period |
| 07:03.39 | bpun | it'll only confuse the newbies.. and don't use alien either.. |
| 07:03.50 | bpun | rpm=no good |
| 07:03.59 | edgy | Vasistha: still you don't understand me. I am not looking for any package. I just want to know whether dpkg can install from a remote http server or not |
| 07:04.20 | wols | edgy: it can't |
| 07:04.21 | Vasistha | blubberdiblub: what I mean is -- it is booting successfully into the grub menu; but when I attempt to boot one of the menu entries, it fails. |
| 07:04.34 | wols | edgy: but aptitude can |
| 07:04.34 | Vasistha | edgy: and I told you multiple times, I do not believe it can. |
| 07:04.36 | edgy | wols: is there any other tool to do it |
| 07:05.01 | edgy | Vasistha: np, wols is telling me now aptitude would do it. let me try |
| 07:05.02 | wols | edgy: there are about a dozen |
| 07:05.12 | wols | aptitude is the standard one |
| 07:05.42 | blubberdiblub | Vasistha: well, that would at least mean that device.map has the correct mapping, i suspect |
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| 07:05.54 | wols | bpun: fyi linux doesn't give a rats ass about disk types |
| 07:06.03 | wols | it helps to have the right one but its not necessary |
| 07:06.18 | wols | Vasistha: what is the error? |
| 07:06.19 | bpun | wols, ? |
| 07:06.29 | wols | < bpun> Vasistha, but i um.. not sure if the disk id type is correct.. i think it's not 83.. |
| 07:06.35 | bpun | wols, i'm talking about disk id identifier fields in the partition table |
| 07:06.42 | Vasistha | wols: http://paste.debian.net/45438 |
| 07:06.44 | edgy | wol: I tried sudo aptitude install package.deb and I got: Couldn't find any package whose name or description matched "http://server.com/package" |
| 07:06.45 | bpun | wols, if you're really paying attention.. |
| 07:06.49 | blubberdiblub | lvm does not care about disk ids |
| 07:07.03 | wols | bpun: I know what you talk about |
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| 07:07.15 | Vasistha | wols: here's my menu.lst : http://paste.debian.net/45443 |
| 07:07.27 | wols | Vasistha: do you have a separate boot partition? |
| 07:07.28 | Vasistha | (or, at least, the relevant entry) |
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| 07:07.46 | Vasistha | wols: yes, and that boot partition is coming up with its grub menu |
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| 07:08.02 | Vasistha | wols: it was all set up by the debian installer |
| 07:08.08 | bpun | Vasistha, confirmed.. the lvm partition id should be 8e |
| 07:08.11 | bpun | not 83 |
| 07:08.18 | wols | Vasistha: use "e" in the grub menu and try file completion with tab. grub can do it |
| 07:08.25 | bpun | Vasistha, there's a bug in the setup... |
| 07:08.28 | blubberdiblub | bpun: it's irrelevant to lvm, it eats all kinds of ids |
| 07:08.29 | Kithylin | could i get some help maybe from someone about installing debian on an older system via floppies? |
| 07:08.43 | wols | blubberdiblub: bpun knows better :) |
| 07:08.47 | bpun | blubberdiblub, i have no clue how the binaries work.. |
| 07:08.50 | Vasistha | wols: what am I supposed to be completing, and what command should I be issuing? |
| 07:09.07 | Kithylin | i've tried, and after loading the cd-drivers floppy, it stops saiyng i haven't loaded any kernel modules, and doesn't go to partitioning, not sure what i did wrong :( i have the first cd burned and in the drive and it read everything on it |
| 07:09.11 | wols | command is kernel and you complete the filename of any file in there |
| 07:09.45 | mazzanet | umm |
| 07:09.54 | mazzanet | i just used debuild to build openldap2 |
| 07:10.02 | bpun | Vasistha, report this bug to the debian team.. about the incorrectly set disk id.. |
| 07:10.03 | Vasistha | wols: well... I'm looking at the drive right now, and that vmlinuz-2.6.18-5-686 file is on the /boot partition ... but I could try again |
| 07:10.04 | mazzanet | except i only ended up with libldap2 and libldap2-dev |
| 07:10.19 | mazzanet | how do i get slapd out of it? |
| 07:10.22 | wols | Vasistha: also try without the slash maybe |
| 07:10.29 | mazzanet | or ldap-utils for that matter |
| 07:10.36 | Vasistha | bpun: well, alright; although it doesn't seem as if it matters a whole hellofalot :P |
| 07:10.48 | bpun | Vasistha, as a cheap fix.. you can change the id and see if that helps.. i know cfdisk does this easily.. (for the last partition i think) |
| 07:10.51 | Vasistha | alright, I need to transfer my irc over to another computer :) |
| 07:11.02 | bpun | Vasistha, it does.. it helps the package development.. |
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| 07:11.31 | bpun | Vasistha, otherwise you're just a simple windows not feedbacking to the osf community.. |
| 07:11.46 | Kithylin | any input? |
| 07:11.46 | wols | mazzanet: apt-gte -b source slapd? |
| 07:11.49 | edgy | wols: ? |
| 07:12.18 | Vasistha | bpun: well, many things I do report :) I'll try and be good about this one, even though it feels insignificant |
| 07:12.34 | wols | !tell edgy about apt |
| 07:12.40 | wols | !tell edgy about source.list |
| 07:12.50 | bpun | Vasistha, probably not.. but it might help others.. everybody's penny adds up :) |
| 07:13.18 | wols | apt will ONLY get software from debian repositories, not just any webpage.. if you want that you wget http://url/to./file;dpkg -i file.deb |
| 07:13.37 | mazzanet | wols: i would have thought the package "openldap2" would have included both the libraries and the utils |
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| 07:14.02 | wols | mazzanet: it does |
| 07:16.11 | Vasistha | wols: I think you missed his original question ... he was asking if he could do dpkg -i with a URL, rather than downloading first |
| 07:16.32 | wols | Vasistha: and I answered that long ago: no |
| 07:16.36 | bpun | Vasistha, you have an esoteric setup and it's good to do this on a test machine but don't just give up on it |
| 07:17.01 | Vasistha | bpun: oh, believe me, I will not give up on it - I need this ;) |
| 07:17.10 | bpun | Vasistha, good :) |
| 07:17.21 | Kithylin | dunno why i bother, i always get ignored here >.< |
| 07:17.29 | bpun | Vasistha, just find out about if losetup is a requirement in your case.. that'll tell a whole lot.. |
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| 07:18.07 | Vasistha | bpun: how do you propose I should find this out? #debian ought to be the place to know, since the setup was done by the debian installer, right? |
| 07:18.40 | mazzanet | wols: oh i see, something queer there, "openldap2" is the libraries only and ver 2.1.30, "slapd" is just the utils and daemon and ver 2.3.38 |
| 07:18.43 | bpun | Vasistha, well your setup is pretty esoteric.. not many people would know about it |
| 07:18.56 | bpun | Vasistha, and only a non-windows person would attempt to do this :) |
| 07:19.46 | Vasistha | bpun: esoteric? well ... I mean, the debian installer offers the option! I guess what's esoteric is having all that on a bootable flash drive :) |
| 07:19.52 | bpun | Vasistha, this is not in the stable branch right? |
| 07:20.14 | Vasistha | bpun: it is the stable branch. |
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| 07:20.25 | bpun | Vasistha, how old? |
| 07:20.28 | wols | !info slapd sid |
| 07:20.33 | dpkg | slapd: (OpenLDAP server (slapd)), section net, is optional. Version: 2.3.39-1 (sid), Packaged size: 1172 kB, Installed size: 3152 kB |
| 07:20.45 | wols | !info slapd etch |
| 07:20.45 | Vasistha | bpun: etch - 4.0 r1 |
| 07:20.51 | dpkg | slapd: (OpenLDAP server (slapd)), section net, is optional. Version: 2.3.30-5 (etch), Packaged size: 1146 kB, Installed size: 3100 kB |
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| 07:21.03 | Vasistha | that is to say, the most current stable version of the debian netinst cd |
| 07:21.41 | mazzanet | !info openldap2 |
| 07:21.48 | wols | mazzanet: that's normal |
| 07:21.48 | mazzanet | hmm |
| 07:22.13 | wols | mazzanet: /msg dpkg info libldap2 lenny since that is what you run right? |
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| 07:22.38 | martman | how do you get a console in twm? my menu is basicly empty |
| 07:22.42 | mazzanet | the logic behind calling a source package something different to the binary package is astounding |
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| 07:23.10 | Kithylin | martman: control-alt-f1 |
| 07:23.18 | wols | mazzanet: it's perfectly fine |
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| 07:23.27 | Kithylin | control-alt-f7 for X again, typically |
| 07:23.35 | smithw | Hello everyone. I'd like to know how to restrict an user from using any kind of "su" whatsoever on a Debian Etch OS. |
| 07:23.36 | martman | Kithylin didnt mean switch VTs, ment to get a graphical xterm or something |
| 07:23.39 | wols | cause for many packages it is the same package so having a source package twice in the repos is a waste of space |
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| 07:23.44 | Kithylin | dunno |
| 07:23.54 | wols | smithw: don't givehim the root pw |
| 07:23.56 | Kithylin | right-click on your menu and add a new shortcut to command 'xterm' |
| 07:23.58 | martman | yeah, every ther time ive used twm it was a option...seems weird |
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| 07:24.13 | LinkCanabico | hi can someone point me in the right direction to create a livecd that boots directly into a game i am programming |
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| 07:24.36 | smithw | wols, I won't :) I just want to be on the safe side. |
| 07:24.38 | martman | Kithylin the menu you get when you left click? |
| 07:24.48 | Kithylin | i guess |
| 07:24.50 | Kithylin | never used tvm |
| 07:25.01 | Kithylin | twm even |
| 07:25.14 | mazzanet | wols: so what's the go with ldap then? |
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| 07:25.24 | Vasistha | wols: alright, so the tab autocompletion is giving me the same kernel line |
| 07:25.25 | martman | hmmm, no good there |
| 07:25.27 | LinkCanabico | smithw not giving the pwrd is the only safe way |
| 07:25.27 | wols | mazzanet: nothing, I told you what to do |
| 07:25.32 | martman | cant right click when your left clicking it |
| 07:25.33 | martman | weird |
| 07:25.38 | spal | I am using AMD 64-bit Debian. (Linux nifty 2.6.22-3-amd64 #1 SMP Sun Nov 4 18:18:09 UTC 2007 x86_64 GNU/Linux). After doing a dist-upgrade to lenny yesterday and on rebooting the box with this new kernel, I find that all font sizes have become too small. The default size of 10 in System > Preferences > Appearance is too small after update. Resolution is correct, which is 1280 x 800 for my LCD. What might be wrong? |
| 07:25.43 | wols | Vasistha: or simply run dpkg-buildpackage in the source directory |
| 07:25.57 | Vasistha | wols: maybe you meant someone else? |
| 07:25.57 | mazzanet | wols: mkay. ta |
| 07:26.02 | bpun | Vasistha, ok see which one is an lvm partition and what is not an lvm partition .. perhaps the command 'file' alone might read the header of filesystem magic numbers (eg: file /dev/sda1 ) |
| 07:26.22 | smithw | LinkCanabico, well, I have a diceware generated password, so I think the chance of someone finding it out is pretty slim, specially via ssh.... right? |
| 07:26.46 | wols | smithw: you can disabloe root logins over ssh. I think it's the default even |
| 07:27.00 | LinkCanabico | to add security to ssh disable root acses |
| 07:27.12 | bpun | spal, check the DisplaySize setting in the xconfig file ... (monitor section, make this line if necessary) -- |
| 07:27.28 | smithw | wols, I don't want to, it's a VPS, and *I* want to have root access... I just don't want other people who have accounts on this machine to have. |
| 07:27.54 | LinkCanabico | you can still log in as a user an then su |
| 07:28.12 | spal | bpun: there is no DisplaySize line in /etc/X11/xorg.conf file. |
| 07:28.19 | bpun | spal, " |
| 07:28.19 | bpun | The formula for calculating the DisplaySize values is Width x 25.4 / DPI and Height x 25.4 / DPI. If you're running Xorg with a resolution of 1024x768 and want a DPI of 96, use 1024 x 25.4 / 96 and 768 x 25.4 / 96. Round numbers down." |
| 07:28.34 | bpun | now if only the factoid would let me add this.. |
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| 07:28.42 | wols | smithw: you log in as user and su to root. it's the more secure way. your decision if you don't want to do that |
| 07:28.42 | bpun | spal, http://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Xorg |
| 07:28.53 | bpun | spal, this *may help ... |
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| 07:29.00 | smithw | LinkCanabico, which wouldn't change much... if I can su, then anyone can... I think protecting the password is the only way... |
| 07:29.01 | bpun | spal, it won't damage your monitor.. |
| 07:29.15 | spal | spal: ok. |
| 07:29.33 | bpun | spal, lemme know if it works.. |
| 07:30.02 | smithw | well, thank you wols and LinkCanabico, you've been very helpful. |
| 07:30.49 | cahoot | bpun: isn't that a bit backwards - I thought the size/resolution governed the DPI not vice versa |
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| 07:32.38 | Vasistha | bpun: 'file' just reports "block special" for partitions |
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| 07:34.08 | spal | bpun: the DisplaySize formula was very helpful. It worked. Thanks a lot. :-) |
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| 07:34.16 | bpun | Vasistha, -- or try mounting /dev/sda1 and see if you see boot stuff in there .. also see if you can mount /dev/sda5 which you shouldn't without extra params.. |
| 07:34.25 | bpun | spal, :) .. what type of display is it? |
| 07:34.38 | Vasistha | bpun: I've done those things (how do you think I was able to produce the menu.lst entry? ;) |
| 07:34.48 | spal | bpun: LCD. 1280x800. with nvidia card. currently I am using the "nv" driver. |
| 07:35.01 | bpun | Vasistha, ? |
| 07:35.29 | bpun | Vasistha, are you in runlevel 1? |
| 07:36.07 | bpun | spal, tell the debian xorg team and the x11 developers to add more routine for this.. this is still a common problem.. |
| 07:36.20 | bpun | spal, especially for the non standard ratio screens |
| 07:36.28 | Vasistha | bpun: I've mounted /dev/sda1 several times and inspected stuff on there; it is certainly a boot partition. mounting sda5 doesn't work -- or, at least, it can't auto-detect. |
| 07:36.42 | bpun | Vasistha, ok |
| 07:36.47 | Vasistha | bpun: I'm not in runlevel 1, but I could be ... dunno how much difference that should make |
| 07:36.51 | bpun | Vasistha, use the lvm command against it |
| 07:37.12 | spal | bpun: ok |
| 07:37.14 | Vasistha | bpun: would you be so kind as to give me an example? I've never used lvm before :P |
| 07:37.18 | bpun | Vasistha, well i have no clue what you're doing there.. either you were booted from a rescue cd.. etc.. |
| 07:37.32 | bpun | Vasistha, and it does make a difference.. |
| 07:38.01 | bpun | Vasistha, well i think there's an lvm shell |
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| 07:38.13 | bpun | Vasistha, try lvm<tab><tab> |
| 07:38.17 | bpun | (assuming bash) |
| 07:38.44 | bpun | Vasistha, do you have access to /usr/bin ? |
| 07:39.10 | Vasistha | bpun: I don't have it installed ... am going back to RL 3 so I can install lvm for testing purposes, then will return to RL 1 |
| 07:39.22 | bpun | Vasistha, ? |
| 07:39.29 | bpun | Vasistha, hold on |
| 07:39.29 | Vasistha | bpun: access to /usr/bin ? sure. |
| 07:39.39 | bpun | Vasistha, echo $PATH |
| 07:39.44 | bpun | Vasistha, runlevel |
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| 07:39.50 | bpun | Vasistha, what's your runlevel? |
| 07:40.01 | vchrizz | what could be wrong when i cant ping any host what doesnt use me as gateway? but they can ping me! .. debian testing 2.6.23.11-rt14 |
| 07:40.03 | ugpst | what is the advantage of vsftpd over ssh or scp? you can connect through a browser? |
| 07:40.27 | bpun | vchrizz, ping localhost .. what do you get? |
| 07:40.47 | vchrizz | bpun usual answer |
| 07:40.52 | wols | !ftpmustdie |
| 07:40.52 | dpkg | FTP MUST DIE! http://wooledge.org/mywiki/FtpMustDie |
| 07:40.57 | bpun | ugpst, i think you want sftp over ssh |
| 07:41.11 | bpun | ugpst, sftp is better than scp and vsftpd |
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| 07:41.19 | mmcr__ | Hello |
| 07:41.42 | bpun | vchrizz, usual answer is stupid.. what the hell does that mean? paste it stupid |
| 07:41.51 | vchrizz | 64 bytes from localhost (127.0.0.1): icmp_seq=1 ttl=64 time=0.101 ms |
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| 07:41.59 | Vasistha | bpun: I'll return to runlevel 1 after I get lvm2 installed here... my path, when doing root stuff, is the default debian root path |
| 07:42.09 | bpun | vchrizz, what type of router? |
| 07:42.12 | Vasistha | /usr/local/bin:/usr/bin:/bin:/usr/bin/X11:/usr/games |
| 07:42.18 | Vasistha | heh, that's not root's path :) |
| 07:42.25 | mmcr__ | Can anybody help me with some USB issues im having problem with my flash drives i can see them :S |
| 07:42.26 | bpun | Vasistha, wtf is all the redhat talk you dweeb? |
| 07:42.30 | wols | vchrizz: what is 2.6.23.11-rt14? that's no debian kernel? |
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| 07:43.04 | Vasistha | bpun: redhat talk? huh? |
| 07:43.09 | Vasistha | /usr/local/sbin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin:/sbin:/bin |
| 07:43.09 | vchrizz | bpun its my own pc what i use for nat... |
| 07:43.26 | wols | vchrizz: you are wrong here and you should know that by now |
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| 07:43.52 | bpun | vchrizz, you took out the 4g drive from its intended host? |
| 07:43.55 | mmcr__ | excuse me can anybody help me with the USB problem ? |
| 07:44.00 | vchrizz | wols, well, i thought about some misconfiguration in kernel conf, since i compiled it myself, but i dont see any error? ive got nearly everthing marked to include |
| 07:44.11 | wols | vchrizz: what is your route? |
| 07:44.15 | bpun | Vasistha, you took out the 4g drive from its intended host? |
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| 07:46.03 | Vasistha | bpun: I have, but I haven't attempted to boot it anywhere else |
| 07:46.18 | bpun | Vasistha, i can't help you anymore then.. you're a liar |
| 07:46.34 | yigal | can someone explain how I can use verify in duplicity over ssh with gpg? |
| 07:46.53 | yigal | it seems what ever i put in I am issuing the command incorrectly |
| 07:46.56 | bpun | Vasistha, you fuckan using redhat all this time.. |
| 07:47.01 | Vasistha | bpun: excuse me? |
| 07:47.03 | cyberfr0g | sup? |
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| 07:47.50 | Vasistha | bpun: I've never used redhat dude :) if I am misusing some redhat jargon that I have somehow picked up, it is not because I am accustomed to anything other than debian. |
| 07:48.34 | Vasistha | bpun: actually ... I did use redhat for about 2 months, about 4 years ago. Since then, I have used only debian on several computers |
| 07:48.54 | bpun | Vasistha, when you move a drive .. the kernel sees a different drive map.. i have no idea how this affects things.. |
| 07:49.33 | stiv2k | hey is it possible to change one's username? |
| 07:49.36 | vchrizz | bpun, wols: http://rafb.net/p/0R23Hf60.html |
| 07:49.47 | stiv2k | or do you just have to delete their old account and add a new user under a different name |
| 07:49.51 | Vasistha | bpun: true, but it almost always sees it on /dev/sda -- and I don't have any other scsi disks, and if it for some reason did not appear on sda I would figure that out REAL quick. |
| 07:50.34 | Vasistha | stiv2k: I'm not sure, but I would 'man usermod' |
| 07:50.44 | stiv2k | Vasistha: like, if you were to edit /etc/passwd |
| 07:50.53 | stiv2k | Vasistha: and change their username, would that work? |
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| 07:51.08 | bpun | vchrizz, i thought you germans are good in computers.. tsk tsk :) |
| 07:51.16 | Vasistha | stiv2k: probably best to use usermod |
| 07:51.27 | vchrizz | im no german, im austrian ;) |
| 07:51.31 | yigal | does anyone use duplicity, or if not what do you use instead for incremental backups? |
| 07:51.52 | bpun | Vasistha, well keep it with the same machine and stick it until it works ok? then you can try switching it.. |
| 07:51.53 | vchrizz | and i never tell im good, im always learning from others... ;) |
| 07:52.20 | bpun | vchrizz, yes, i know but i still think you're putty german literate people a little down |
| 07:52.24 | bpun | vchrizz, (jk) |
| 07:52.36 | bpun | vchrizz, you sure you using debian? |
| 07:52.47 | Vasistha | bpun: sure. I don't need to switch anymore. it'll stay put now that I have this other computer working so I can do irc here |
| 07:52.49 | yigal | ok, no heavy lifting right now, I understand |
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| 07:53.02 | iblicf | hello :) how to find some app_name( pkg_name ) installed most recently , such as today ? because i use the synaptic and forget the name :( |
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| 07:53.34 | Vasistha | iblicf: you can look at /var/log/dpkg.log |
| 07:53.36 | bpun | Vasistha, now boot into single mode -- and tell me if you really ever did boot off the usb drive into runlevel 1 at least |
| 07:53.44 | cahoot | iblicf: IIRC there's a dpkg.log in /var/log |
| 07:53.56 | cahoot | doh |
| 07:53.59 | Vasistha | bpun: I have never been able to boot off the usb. I have tried 'single' user mode as well. |
| 07:54.13 | iblicf | VaLouille, hoho ,, thanks very much , |
| 07:54.20 | bpun | Vasistha, there now you're telling me that you did.. quite a different story now.. |
| 07:54.22 | Vasistha | bpun: I changed to runlevel 1 with init; do you want me to reboot? |
| 07:54.25 | iblicf | cahoot, :) |
| 07:54.38 | bpun | Vasistha, no |
| 07:55.07 | bpun | Vasistha, when i say runlevel 1, it's with the usb drive, not off a primary non-usb internal drive.. |
| 07:55.14 | Vasistha | bpun: huh??? when have I said something inconsisten??? if you've perceived an inconsistency, we have a misunderstanding / miscommunications |
| 07:55.53 | bpun | Vasistha, when people say runlevel 1 -- they mean safe mode and expect you to use that system setup and not any other |
| 07:56.34 | Vasistha | bpun: when you say runlevel 1 and don't specify that you want me to be attempting to boot from the usb flash drive, I have no way of knowing that that's what you're referring to. But now, I know that that is what YOU mean, and I will remember as such. |
| 07:57.13 | bpun | Vasistha, every OS has a runlevel 1 equivalent .. bet it windows, mac |
| 07:57.22 | vchrizz | bpun http://rafb.net/p/zdXcFJ79.html any more information? |
| 07:57.24 | Vasistha | bpun: anyway, it continues to give the very same error that it always has |
| 07:57.40 | bpun | Vasistha, isn't it the usb drive you want to boot off like you originally requested? otherwise you'd really sound goofy.. |
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| 07:58.20 | bpun | Vasistha, ask anyone here.. runlevel 1.. same system setup.. *always... never any other setup.. capish? |
| 07:58.25 | bpun | Vasistha, this is 101 |
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| 07:59.04 | Vasistha | bpun: ok. |
| 07:59.36 | vchrizz | wols, bpun, if you could have a look at my kernel conf, it would be real great so i can be sure if i made an error or not.. http://213.229.11.180/kern-conf.txt |
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| 08:00.18 | bpun | vchrizz, let's start with your paste.. you know what ppp0 and eth0 mean? |
| 08:00.20 | Vasistha | fwiw, I have never attempted to *boot* from the drive on any other system. |
| 08:00.32 | vchrizz | bpun, sure |
| 08:00.38 | bpun | Vasistha, you want to boot off the usb drive that's your intention |
| 08:00.48 | Vasistha | ... yes ... |
| 08:01.00 | wols | vchrizz: it's not a kernel problem. why do you have no defaultroute? |
| 08:01.01 | bpun | Vasistha, so that's your system setup capish? |
| 08:01.05 | Vasistha | bpun: I mean, I can give you the pastebin link for the error again if you like. |
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| 08:01.44 | Vasistha | bpun: of course! But you asked me to try to mount the lvm, so I did that on another computer -- that particular operation is system-independent, is it not? |
| 08:01.45 | bpun | Vasistha, ? you never even did past the first question.. get /boot booted if you can from the original machine you took it from.. |
| 08:01.54 | bpun | gee |
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| 08:02.03 | vchrizz | wols, im not that good into routing... but i think there is a default route? to 0.0.0.0 over 0.0.0.0 on dev ppp0 |
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| 08:02.25 | bpun | vchrizz, so what is ppp0 and eth0? quick.. |
| 08:02.26 | Vasistha | what does "get /boot booted" mean??? if I could boot from the drive, then I would not be in here asking you questions ;) |
| 08:02.27 | wols | vchrizz: that's a mighty stupid defaultroute |
| 08:02.33 | wols | vchrizz: how do you set it? |
| 08:02.39 | Vasistha | I have repeated, several times over, that I can boot, on the drive, to its grub menu. |
| 08:02.51 | bpun | wols, i think i can give some insight here if you let me please.. |
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| 08:03.25 | lalabsd | how to update to lenny |
| 08:03.31 | bpun | Vasistha, that's not a boot.. that's grub which is boot code on the mbr area very possibly |
| 08:03.33 | vchrizz | wols, pppoe client sets it afaik.. |
| 08:03.39 | wols | !tell lalabsd etch->lenny |
| 08:03.47 | bpun | Vasistha, it doesn't mean anything was accessed off any partitions |
| 08:03.52 | wols | vchrizz: it should set it but obviously doesn't |
| 08:03.59 | bpun | wols, please |
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| 08:04.09 | wols | !tell lalabsd etch->lenny |
| 08:04.22 | vchrizz | wols cat /etc/ppp/peers/dsl-provider | grep defaultroute gives 'defaultroute' |
| 08:04.24 | Vasistha | bpun: it means that the menu.lst was accessed from the /dev/sda1 partition |
| 08:04.27 | bpun | vchrizz, ok so if ppp0 handles it why are you bothering with eth0? |
| 08:04.27 | wols | bpun: if you can help him, do it and don't talk to me |
| 08:05.05 | vchrizz | wols, so whats wrong there? how do you see its wrong? |
| 08:05.15 | bpun | vchrizz, hello? |
| 08:05.31 | wols | vchrizz: the mighty bpun knows better. if you don't answer him soon he will stomp with his foot |
| 08:05.33 | bpun | vchrizz, i looked at your paste |
| 08:05.37 | vchrizz | bpun, cause over eth0 i get to my other devices in my net ;) |
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| 08:05.40 | Vasistha | wols: heh |
| 08:05.43 | bpun | wols, not always.. i'll try :) |
| 08:06.21 | wols | bpun: and since you looked at it, what is your mighty wisdom about it? |
| 08:06.29 | bpun | vchrizz, ok ping -I eth0 works to ..? |
| 08:06.50 | vchrizz | bpun, dont you think i tried that already? |
| 08:06.52 | vchrizz | :P |
| 08:07.07 | bpun | vchrizz, no.. you never said if it works |
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| 08:07.15 | vchrizz | tcpdump always sends ping requests with source ip from dev ppp0 |
| 08:07.19 | vchrizz | i dont get that |
| 08:07.31 | bpun | vchrizz, ping is not a protocol |
| 08:07.42 | vchrizz | i know, ping uses icmp prot |
| 08:07.44 | vchrizz | .. |
| 08:07.55 | bpun | vchrizz, you idiot.. look at my command |
| 08:08.02 | blubberdiblub | Vasistha: when you get as far as grub, to the menu, and you ask it for a command line, have you already made sure that grub can actually access the kernel image and the initrd image using the "testload" command? |
| 08:08.03 | bpun | vchrizz, have you tried this? |
| 08:08.05 | vchrizz | wols, whats wrong with that defaultroute? |
| 08:08.13 | vchrizz | bpun, yes, and it doesnt work either |
| 08:08.16 | wols | it's totally bogus |
| 08:08.23 | bpun | vchrizz, show me your command |
| 08:08.24 | Vasistha | blubberdiblub: I have not -- shall I do that with the grub shell? |
| 08:08.27 | wols | your "router" is wrong. you don't have a 0.0.0.0 interface |
| 08:08.38 | bpun | wols, that's not the point please |
| 08:08.46 | vchrizz | wols, so how do i have to change that? how should it look like? |
| 08:08.58 | blubberdiblub | Vasistha: no, not inside the system. when trying to boot from the drive |
| 08:09.02 | bpun | vchrizz, what is 10.0.0.1.. your gateway machine? |
| 08:09.14 | wols | bpun: how daft are you? |
| 08:09.22 | wols | he uses pppoe. why do you think he does this? |
| 08:09.32 | bpun | wols, ok.. shut it please |
| 08:09.36 | martman | isnt there a ncurses app to switch window managers for you? i searched for switchx and didnt get anything. cant remember package name |
| 08:09.39 | bpun | vchrizz, don't listen to him |
| 08:09.46 | Vasistha | blubberdiblub: wow, that was a lot of numbers :) uhm -- since there has been so much confusion, I'll make a "verbose" description... |
| 08:09.47 | bpun | vchrizz, are you setting up a gateway machine? |
| 08:09.57 | wols | 10.0.0.1 is his LOCAL network |
| 08:10.05 | wols | ppp0 is supposed to be the gateway |
| 08:10.18 | bpun | wols, no it isn't.. .1 is for devices stupid |
| 08:10.22 | wols | martman: update alternatives |
| 08:10.38 | cahoot | someone needs sleep |
| 08:10.39 | vchrizz | i rather listen to wols than to you bpun, sorry, he seems to give more useful answers than you ;) |
| 08:10.41 | bpun | vchrizz, please dont listen to him |
| 08:10.50 | martman | wols not sure what you mean |
| 08:10.50 | bpun | vchrizz, he's wrong there |
| 08:10.51 | wols | vchrizz: for whatever reason pppd isn't setting your default gateway right |
| 08:11.19 | Vasistha | blubberdiblub: I "partially booted" the computer from the USB flash drive. I say "partially" because I've only gotten as far as the grub menu. I know that I am booting to the flash drive, because its menu.lst is different, and such a menu.lst does not exist anywhere on the hard drive. |
| 08:11.42 | bpun | wols, i think we all know about that.. how do you know he doesn't want it as his gateway? |
| 08:12.11 | blubberdiblub | Vasistha: yeah, and now, exactly there, in the menu, ask grub for a command line (probably typing "c" or something) |
| 08:12.12 | bpun | vchrizz, i assume at this point it's a single-user machine for dsl |
| 08:12.13 | wols | vchrizz: can you paste your dsl-provider file? |
| 08:12.16 | Vasistha | blubberdiblub: while here, I just did a testload /vmlinuz-2.6.18-5-686, and it output a whole bunch (many screens worth) of bracketed numbers, e.g. [9473,0,512] |
| 08:12.22 | vchrizz | wols, http://213.229.11.180/dsl-provider.txt |
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| 08:12.34 | Vasistha | blubberdiblub: my assumption is that that means success :) |
| 08:12.45 | blubberdiblub | Vasistha: very well, and if you do that for the initrd image again? |
| 08:12.50 | Vasistha | blubberdiblub: initrd does something similar |
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| 08:13.12 | blubberdiblub | Vasistha: now what does it output when just command it just "root" |
| 08:13.24 | Vasistha | blubberdiblub: my suspicion is that the file that it cannot find is the /dev/mapper/lvmdevi-lvmroot ... but I really don't know |
| 08:13.41 | wols | vchrizz: only thing I have differently is noipdefault |
| 08:13.51 | Vasistha | blubberdiblub: oh! (hd0,0) ... but that's ... not right |
| 08:13.51 | wols | but that shouldn't be a problem since you get a ip |
| 08:14.06 | blubberdiblub | Vasistha: it is right ... use that in your menu.lst then |
| 08:14.07 | vchrizz | hum.. |
| 08:14.07 | Vasistha | blubberdiblub: hum, perhaps ... the bios changed it |
| 08:14.17 | vchrizz | ya, its even a static ip |
| 08:14.23 | blubberdiblub | Vasistha: as i said before, /dev/sda can very well be mapped to (hd0) |
| 08:14.36 | wols | vchrizz: how about setting a static default route? |
| 08:14.40 | Vasistha | blubberdiblub: wow, alright! that's all I needed! thanks much |
| 08:14.51 | bpun | vchrizz, how about not listening to him |
| 08:15.15 | Vasistha | or... |
| 08:15.16 | Vasistha | erm |
| 08:15.32 | vchrizz | wols, like? route add 10.0.0.10 gw 10.0.0.1 dev eth0 ? doesnt work either.. |
| 08:15.38 | blubberdiblub | Vasistha: and yes, it's due to the BIOS numbering the drives differently than the linux kernel. and the BIOS numbering depends on the specific bios, and often the kind of drives used and even whether there are bootable partitions on the drives or not |
| 08:15.57 | wols | vchrizz: not a default route for your eth0, that one is right. default route via ppp |
| 08:16.09 | bpun | vchrizz, is this machine<->dslmodem ? |
| 08:16.15 | wols | vchrizz: and remove the 3rd route in your paste. the 0.0.90.0 one |
| 08:16.23 | bpun | vchrizz, are you irc on this same network? |
| 08:17.19 | Vasistha | blubberdiblub: so ... now I'm seeing cryptsetup: Source device /dev/sda5 not found |
| 08:17.28 | wols | vchrizz: eth0 is the only NIC and connected to your dsl modem? |
| 08:17.40 | bpun | i guess not all germans are happy about you vchrizz :( |
| 08:17.44 | vchrizz | wols, how should i set the default route? |
| 08:17.58 | vchrizz | wols, hang on, got a "map" of my net.. |
| 08:18.02 | wols | first: is eth0 your only interface, connected to your modem? |
| 08:18.26 | bpun | wols, eth0 is not for modem stupid |
| 08:18.39 | blubberdiblub | Vasistha: well, i'm not into crypto-partitions ... i could only help you solve your grub problem, sorry ... at least it's booting your kernel now, apparently |
| 08:18.48 | bpun | wols, modem is always ppp |
| 08:18.58 | bpun | because it's a "serial" device |
| 08:19.03 | wols | bpun: have you ever used a dsl modem? it shows you haven't |
| 08:19.04 | bpun | idiot! |
| 08:19.09 | Vasistha | blubberdiblub: indeed, it is! however I wonder if the drive is not being seen as /dev/sda -- that would explain such a problem |
| 08:19.17 | bpun | wols, ALL MODEMS ARE SERIAL YOU DUMBASS |
| 08:19.30 | wols | stop that name calling please |
| 08:19.34 | bpun | wols, rtfm |
| 08:19.37 | wols | dsl modems use pppoe |
| 08:19.38 | vchrizz | wols, http://213.229.11.180/vchrizz-network.png ... s/192.168.10./10.0.0./ ;) |
| 08:19.38 | blubberdiblub | Vasistha: well, it's an usb drive, right? |
| 08:20.24 | wols | vchrizz: you use single NIC NAT? |
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| 08:20.33 | Vasistha | blubberdiblub: yup ... ooh, look, it just dropped me into a busybox shell! I wonder what I can do from here... |
| 08:20.41 | vchrizz | ya, cause its easier to manage i think |
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| 08:20.55 | wols | vchrizz: it's not. buy a 2nd NIC. please |
| 08:20.59 | wols | 10EUR max |
| 08:21.03 | blubberdiblub | Vasistha: is there everything in the initrd that is required to set up usb devices? try lsusb, if you can, and lsscsi, too |
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| 08:21.13 | vchrizz | wols, look at my paste... lspci ;) |
| 08:21.34 | vchrizz | there are two nics, i just dont want to use both if there is a possibility to use one |
| 08:21.40 | blubberdiblub | Vasistha: or at least cat /proc/partitions |
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| 08:22.07 | ime3 | i installed debian using debootstrat and then x... i have started x as root, but can't get it running as a non-root user. as non-root users i get the error xauth: timeout in locking authority file /home/user/.Xauthority |
| 08:22.38 | Vasistha | blubberdiblub: well, this (assumably) kernel-embedded busybox shell doesn't have many commands (notably missing are lsusb, lsscsi) but I can see that udev has detected the device and created /dev/sda and /dev/sda[125] and /proc/partitions also shows those |
| 08:22.44 | vchrizz | wols, brb, setting def route |
| 08:23.09 | Vasistha | wols: I'm wondering if bpun is just a plain old troll |
| 08:23.31 | blubberdiblub | Vasistha: that's good, then the linux kernel enumerated the drive as expected. then the problem is stuff beyond my knowledge, sorry |
| 08:23.37 | wols | he's simply an idiot with even less clue than myself |
| 08:23.44 | Vasistha | blubberdiblub: heh, alright :) |
| 08:23.56 | Vasistha | wols: and an ego like rms |
| 08:24.11 | wols | Vasistha: but your problem is _strange_ |
| 08:24.16 | Vasistha | blubberdiblub: thanks so much for getting me this far! |
| 08:24.26 | blubberdiblub | Vasistha: you're welcome :) |
| 08:24.30 | cyberfr0g | hey |
| 08:24.35 | wols | cause at least the load kernel part is like evey othere debian install out there, no lvm weirdness or such |
| 08:25.01 | Vasistha | wols: well, dunno if you've been following, but blubberdiblub here got me half-booted ... it was a bios naming issue, the drive became hd0 instead of hd1 |
| 08:25.26 | wols | Vasistha: and now LVM is throwing a hissy fit? |
| 08:25.57 | wols | if so, check when valdyn is around |
| 08:26.12 | Vasistha | wols: actually, crypsetup failed ... although I haven't looked all through the screen scroll |
| 08:26.26 | Vasistha | I bet I can do cryptsetup manually :) let's see......... |
| 08:26.38 | mazzanet | oh that is seriously cool |
| 08:26.39 | wols | same kind of weirdness. ask valdyn :) |
| 08:26.52 | mazzanet | i can't believe i've missed out on this for so long |
| 08:26.59 | mazzanet | i just discovered checkinstall :P |
| 08:27.08 | wols | mazzanet: careful. very careful |
| 08:27.18 | wols | mazzanet: backports are better |
| 08:27.37 | wols | mazzanet: easy to make a frankendebian with checkinstall |
| 08:28.08 | wols | vchrizz: anything new. can you tell me from where to where you try to ping? |
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| 08:28.42 | mazzanet | wols: i just used it as a dodgy replacement for source trees that don't have a `make uninstall` target |
| 08:28.51 | vchrizz | wols, i try to ping from kate to wlan router |
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| 08:29.23 | Vasistha | wols: let me guess ... is valdyn also the one to ask about what encryption, etc, the debian installer uses? |
| 08:29.37 | vchrizz | kate cant ping any host what doesnt use kate as gateway.. |
| 08:29.57 | wols | vchrizz: dunno. but he's good with lvm usually |
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| 08:30.27 | vchrizz | i think you mean valdyn, not me? ;) |
| 08:30.41 | vchrizz | or Vasistha? |
| 08:30.46 | wols | vchrizz: I still think the 3rd route is the culprit |
| 08:31.18 | vchrizz | well, i dont know how to set it right? tell me whats wrong there so i can fix it |
| 08:31.20 | wols | vchrizz: can the wlan router network ping kate? |
| 08:31.26 | vchrizz | yes |
| 08:31.30 | wols | vchrizz: personally, I'd delete it :) |
| 08:31.58 | vchrizz | and how do i route into the internet? |
| 08:32.00 | wols | it might kill your internet connection but you can always reconnect of course |
| 08:32.23 | vchrizz | i did that before ;) |
| 08:32.56 | wols | could it be your NAT is mucking things up? |
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| 08:33.45 | vchrizz | wols, im pretty sure theres nothing wrong but ill show you my iptables script.. sec |
| 08:34.35 | vchrizz | wols, http://213.229.11.180/ip-up-script.txt |
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| 08:36.25 | wols | vchrizz: 2 things. use 2 NICs and ipmasq. I can't prove it but I am fairly sure it's your NAT setup playing tricks on your |
| 08:36.35 | wols | explains with ping -I eth0 wouldn't wokr |
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| 08:36.43 | vchrizz | hum |
| 08:37.30 | vchrizz | what for do i need ipmasq? ive got my very well running iptables script.. |
| 08:37.45 | wols | cause it's debian not rh based :) |
| 08:37.58 | vchrizz | oh come on :) |
| 08:38.31 | Vasistha | vchrizz: the differences creep in often where you don't expect them! |
| 08:38.38 | simonrvn | ravenbird: test |
| 08:38.41 | ravenbird | No, simonrvn, you're not online any more. |
| 08:38.54 | wols | vchrizz: for starters you get security updates |
| 08:39.21 | Vasistha | anyway, thanks guys, I guess I'll have to wait until someone is around who knows this stuff. |
| 08:39.28 | vchrizz | Vasistha, i sure believe that, but iptables is iptables, i dont know but hope there are no differences between distros? |
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| 08:39.51 | simonrvn | Vasistha: curious, what was your issue? |
| 08:40.07 | Aleksej | hi |
| 08:40.12 | Vasistha | I wonder if it would be productive to just start over and run the installer again ... but ... why would it work a second time when it didn't work the first time? It's not as if I tweaked something... |
| 08:40.34 | simonrvn | random neutrino going through the computer :P |
| 08:40.43 | Vasistha | simonrvn: this morning, I used the etch 4.0 r1 netinst cd to install debian on a usb flash drive -- with encrypted lvm root :) |
| 08:40.55 | simonrvn | mm ok |
| 08:41.09 | simonrvn | certainly neat |
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| 08:41.47 | vchrizz | wols, do you think my default route has wrong flags set? rather _no_ flags set.. shouldnt it have a G flag? |
| 08:42.44 | Vasistha | simonrvn: yeah ... sounds nice ... the problem is that it's having some trouble. I'm at least able to get the kernel loaded now, but it's choking on the cryptsetup, and not even getting to the lvm... and it never prompted me for a password. |
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| 08:43.45 | simonrvn | icky :/ |
| 08:43.49 | Vasistha | simonrvn: anyway, I'm gonna go to bed, thanks for asking :) |
| 08:43.58 | simonrvn | ni'night |
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| 08:44.28 | Nyle | man im glad i moved near family |
| 08:44.38 | Nyle | my sis made chicken biryani and other stuff |
| 08:44.39 | Nyle | mmm |
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| 08:47.25 | spal | Nyle: chicken biryani? Indian dish? |
| 08:48.03 | blubberdiblub | it sounds yummy at least :) |
| 08:48.22 | wols | Nyle: why are you ever on #debian? with what you talk you only should be on #d-o |
| 08:48.29 | wols | or #defocus |
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| 08:49.31 | simonrvn | nummies |
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| 08:51.39 | antixogh | hey fellas, i'm getting some pretty sluggish proformance out on my computer when i try to play a few games (nexuiz and tremulous). |
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| 08:51.51 | antixogh | i've done a little reading on there sites, so i installed the "ati" drivers and it's still running poorly. |
| 08:51.58 | antixogh | their* |
| 08:52.01 | simonrvn | !tell nascentmind -abot root |
| 08:52.11 | simonrvn | 'their' |
| 08:52.23 | simonrvn | !tell nascentmind -about root |
| 08:52.26 | simonrvn | doh |
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| 08:53.53 | faust_ | antixogh, ati has always been a bit of a fiddle on linux. Might be the driver didn't install properly. |
| 08:54.27 | faust_ | besides, the "ati" driver included in xorg, does that even have full 3d support? If you have a Radeon 8500 or better, I suggest you use the "fglrx" driver. |
| 08:54.51 | antixogh | alrighty i will try and reinstall them, i have a 9550 i believe |
| 08:55.12 | faust_ | It's not as horrible to install as it used to be, but I'd still suggest you read a good howto before you start. |
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| 08:55.59 | antixogh | is the fglrx from ati or from xorg? |
| 08:56.09 | faust_ | that's the official ATi one. |
| 08:56.50 | antixogh | "ati-driver-installer-8.443.1-x86.x86_64.run" is what i used to install if that helps |
| 08:57.05 | faust_ | yeah, that's the fglrx one. |
| 08:57.17 | faust_ | try running fglrxinfo in console, and see what shows up. |
| 08:57.27 | faust_ | vendor should be ATi on all major counts there. |
| 08:58.25 | faust_ | this should be helpful should you need to reinstall too: http://wiki.debian.org/Manual-Howto#head-09e2f373d2dc5bca39f1a9173d6f68d2ad86a03c |
| 08:58.43 | antixogh | display: :0.0 screen: 0; OpenGL vendor string: Mesa project: www.mesa3d.org; OpenGL renderer string: Mesa GLX Indirect; OpenGL version string: 1.4 (2.1 Mesa 7.0.1) |
| 08:58.48 | antixogh | is what is says |
| 08:58.53 | faust_ | if you get mesa, it's not properly installed. |
| 08:59.00 | faust_ | have you restarted after installing? |
| 08:59.04 | antixogh | yes |
| 08:59.19 | liable | thats an old fglrx, theres been a few since |
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| 08:59.35 | faust_ | liable, it's still better than the mesa crap. |
| 08:59.36 | liable | or is it? isnt it called 7 something now? |
| 08:59.57 | antixogh | i just downloaded it from amd/ati |
| 09:00.11 | liable | faust_: theres been a new codebase since and aiglx support added |
| 09:00.15 | faust_ | 8.443 is brand new btw. |
| 09:00.15 | antixogh | so i assumed it was the newest |
| 09:00.28 | faust_ | it's the december driver. |
| 09:00.35 | liable | ok, i thought they changed the naming convention on it |
| 09:00.37 | blubberdiblub | hmm, can someone recommend a file access benchmark tool (such as tiobench, bonnie++, dbench or whatever) that would be well suited to test the performance of the kernel's io schedulers? i'm still on anticipatory, because that used to appear the best quite a while ago, but i'm ready to switch ... |
| 09:00.39 | antixogh | yeah the 20th i belive |
| 09:00.51 | Nyle | I am using 8.42.3 |
| 09:01.02 | lhadji | Hey guys, is there a way I can stop etch keeping logs of logins through ssh. Like no ips/host logged(utmp/wtmp)? |
| 09:01.13 | liable | antixogh: check phoronix forums, they often have workarounds for fglrx |
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| 09:01.31 | faust_ | yeah, phoronix is a must-read for all ati owners. |
| 09:01.56 | faust_ | me, I decided enough was enough. got myself an nvidia card instead. what a bloody mistake.. 8600gts :\ |
| 09:02.05 | faust_ | Took a while for that to be properly supported :D |
| 09:02.17 | antixogh | good to know |
| 09:02.40 | antixogh | ok well i will see what that turns out |
| 09:02.42 | antixogh | brb |
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| 09:03.34 | Airbottl1 | i bought an 7600gs passive cooled nvidia |
| 09:03.39 | Airbottl1 | works pretty well in linux |
| 09:03.55 | faust_ | yeah the 7-series is well supported. |
| 09:04.00 | faust_ | the 8-series is too now. |
| 09:04.23 | faust_ | anyway.. gotta go paint the hallway if I'm to get the house ready for christmas... |
| 09:04.30 | faust_ | seeya |
| 09:05.09 | jpiccolo | yeah i got a 7900gt works pretty well |
| 09:05.13 | cahoot | is paint reduntant with a good gfx? |
| 09:07.36 | simonrvn | only if you eat it |
| 09:09.02 | antixogh | my xorg has two device section one point to ati and the other to fglrx, this is not good right? |
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| 09:09.25 | ram_ | what is x windows |
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| 09:09.51 | antixogh | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/X_windows |
| 09:10.06 | Tommy | Merry Christmas all. Anyone know of a good guide to improve debian etch boot times (make it faster)? |
| 09:10.10 | ram_ | give me brief |
| 09:10.29 | Guerin | ram_: it's a thing which draws boxes on your monitor |
| 09:10.39 | antixogh | lol |
| 09:10.40 | jpiccolo | gui's need it to run |
| 09:10.44 | Guerin | Tommy: never reboot |
| 09:10.56 | Tommy | ?? |
| 09:11.04 | Guerin | Tommy: guaranteed fastest boot times ever |
| 09:11.06 | jpiccolo | how often do you actually reboot |
| 09:11.08 | antixogh | 3 |
| 09:11.25 | ram_ | ok what is the usage of ssh in x windows forwarding help me |
| 09:11.46 | Guerin | ram_: try to make coherent sentences. |
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| 09:11.50 | Guerin | !wayttd ram_ |
| 09:11.50 | dpkg | What Are You Trying To Do, ram_? |
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| 09:12.21 | ram_ | sorry what is x windows forwarding in ssh |
| 09:12.43 | jpiccolo | i think that would be a kind of secure vnc |
| 09:12.56 | Guerin | ram_: it means the boxes of programs running on some other computer can be displayed on the one you're on now |
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| 09:12.59 | Guerin | and vice versa |
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| 09:13.38 | ram_ | ok thanks a lot |
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| 09:13.57 | Amirf | how can i set a folder as a "system variables"? |
| 09:14.02 | ram_ | i am novice in linux my computer had been windows |
| 09:14.05 | Guerin | Amirf: that means nothing |
| 09:14.19 | Guerin | !tell ram_ about grounding |
| 09:14.30 | Guerin | ram_: get to readin' - enjoy. |
| 09:14.48 | jpiccolo | linux is great |
| 09:14.52 | Amirf | Guerin ??? |
| 09:15.02 | Guerin | Amirf: your question is meaningless. |
| 09:15.17 | jpiccolo | now that i got ffmpeg working like i want it i dont need windows at all |
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| 09:15.28 | Guerin | more specifically, there is no such thing as `system variables' that you can set a folder to |
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| 09:15.57 | Tommy | What would happen if i disabled the acpi service? |
| 09:16.07 | Guerin | Tommy: depends. |
| 09:16.22 | Tommy | Guerin: would it still boot and work? |
| 09:16.50 | ram_ | what is magic cookies |
| 09:17.08 | cahoot | illegal in most contries |
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| 09:17.14 | jpiccolo | llllol |
| 09:17.17 | antixogh | haha |
| 09:17.39 | jpiccolo | ram_: what are you actually trying to do? |
| 09:17.58 | jpiccolo | run a remote desktop? |
| 09:18.08 | ram_ | what is magic cookies in x authority |
| 09:18.48 | ram_ | why everyone use xp? |
| 09:19.00 | Guerin | Tommy: it should. Some things might not work, but it shoudl still generally do its job. |
| 09:19.16 | Guerin | ram_: /msg dpkg mit magic cookie |
| 09:19.29 | Tommy | Guerin: would it really decrease boot time by disabling it, or should i not bother? |
| 09:19.31 | Guerin | ram_: everyone doesn't use xp |
| 09:19.31 | jpiccolo | ram_: most people in the channel will be using linux |
| 09:19.42 | Guerin | Tommy: if anything it would lengthen boot time |
| 09:19.52 | Tommy | forget that |
| 09:19.53 | mosno | jpiccolo: how dare you question ram_ infailable stats? :P |
| 09:20.00 | Guerin | Tommy: seriously, why do you need to boot so often as to care how long it takes? |
| 09:20.15 | jpiccolo | mosno: someone has to |
| 09:20.20 | Tommy | Guerin: suspend doesnt work |
| 09:20.37 | ram_ | what is x authority file |
| 09:20.45 | jpiccolo | i am guessing this in on a laptop? |
| 09:20.53 | Guerin | Tommy: why not? |
| 09:21.08 | simonrvn | ram_: man Xauthority; mind the caps |
| 09:21.11 | Guerin | ram_: it's a file which tells x which userrs have authority |
| 09:21.37 | Tommy | Guerin: dont know, it goes down perfect. But when i try to awaken it it seems to turn on but the screen never comes on again |
| 09:21.38 | ram_ | thanks man |
| 09:21.52 | Guerin | Tommy: what suspend system? |
| 09:22.09 | Amirf | Guerin: 1)vim /root/.bash_profile 2) PATH=$PATH:$HOME/FOO. |
| 09:22.26 | Tommy | Guerin: not sure, im using enlightenment... so whatever it uses by default |
| 09:22.29 | Guerin | Amirf: is this supposed to mean something to me? |
| 09:22.36 | Amirf | Guerin: ahh and thank you for your help |
| 09:22.38 | Amirf | lol |
| 09:22.40 | ram_ | what is default port number in x windows forwarding |
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| 09:23.03 | Guerin | ram_: there are several. This is Pretty Fucking Complicated. The easy way is to use ssh -X |
| 09:23.09 | simonrvn | xdcmp or ssh? |
| 09:23.22 | ram_ | ssh |
| 09:23.25 | jpiccolo | if your using x over ssh |
| 09:23.31 | jpiccolo | ssh default port is 22 |
| 09:23.34 | ram_ | yes |
| 09:23.38 | Guerin | Tommy: nothing to do with e. I'd suggest troubleshooting the restore process - probably ythere's some way of re-initialising the graphics card |
| 09:23.50 | Guerin | ssh -X should do this automatically |
| 09:24.06 | cahoot | Tommy: http://people.freedesktop.org/~hughsient/quirk/quirk-suspend-index.html |
| 09:24.08 | Guerin | if you find yourself fucking with ports, you've already fucked it up |
| 09:24.11 | Tommy | Guerin: i'll do some more googling :) |
| 09:24.20 | Guerin | Tommy: iu suggest using suspend2 |
| 09:24.25 | Guerin | it's choice |
| 09:24.35 | Tommy | Ok. |
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| 09:25.25 | ram_ | what is hardlink? |
| 09:25.34 | simonrvn | man ln |
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| 09:25.47 | Guerin | ram_: i sense you're in over your head here. |
| 09:26.21 | logd | hi, i'v'e changed swapping from partition to file mode but system on startup always tries to use /dev/sda5 how do i change? |
| 09:26.37 | Guerin | Tommy: to clarify, all my talk about ssh and x and ports is directed to ram_ |
| 09:26.38 | ram_ | ya i dont know anything about linux but i am legend in windows |
| 09:26.39 | jpiccolo | ram_: here: http://www.vanemery.com/Linux/XoverSSH/X-over-SSH2.html |
| 09:26.43 | jpiccolo | have a read |
| 09:27.02 | ram_ | thanks |
| 09:27.12 | Tommy | Guerin: I figured as much :) |
| 09:27.24 | simonrvn | "legend"? |
| 09:27.35 | ram_ | ya |
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| 09:27.53 | Guerin | you talk pretty big |
| 09:28.08 | blubberdiblub | logd: have a look into your /etc/fstab file. usually there are also the lines telling which swap partitions/files to enable at system boot up |
| 09:28.17 | jpiccolo | ir boss on ME |
| 09:28.20 | ram_ | sorry if i patrnising |
| 09:28.30 | simonrvn | CAN I HAZ CHEEZBURGER |
| 09:28.36 | logd | <blubberdiblub>done already nothing about swap in fstab |
| 09:28.41 | Tommy | Well, thanks for the help Guerin. I'm off now. Merry Christmas to you all, and to you all a Good night. :) |
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| 09:29.41 | ram_ | parent directory has 5 subdir what is minimum hardlink for parent and ahy? help me |
| 09:29.50 | ram_ | why |
| 09:29.51 | Aleksej | What's the problem with the package info server? :( |
| 09:30.03 | Kamping_Kaiser | help you *please* |
| 09:30.22 | ram_ | help |
| 09:30.35 | jpiccolo | ram_: i dont understand your question |
| 09:30.43 | Kamping_Kaiser | ram_, i dont understand your question/problem |
| 09:30.47 | Kamping_Kaiser | oh snap |
| 09:30.56 | jpiccolo | think of a hardlink as a shortcut on windows |
| 09:30.56 | wols | simonrvn: you will die of arteriosclerosis. have a nice death |
| 09:30.59 | simonrvn | !wayttd ram_ |
| 09:31.00 | dpkg | What Are You Trying To Do, ram_? |
| 09:31.20 | Kamping_Kaiser | jpiccolo, a soft link would be a shortcut |
| 09:31.33 | cahoot | wols: considering the alternatives - not a bad way to go |
| 09:31.37 | Kamping_Kaiser | afaik windows has no hardlink equivilant |
| 09:31.38 | simonrvn | wols: grow a sense a humour ;) |
| 09:31.43 | jpiccolo | doesnt a softlink link to the inode |
| 09:31.44 | wols | ram_: if you knew anything about windows you'd knew what a hardlink is. windows has them too |
| 09:31.59 | Kamping_Kaiser | jpiccolo, no, a hard link does |
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| 09:32.11 | ram_ | if i delete mainfile hard link for the corresponded file will be deleted? |
| 09:32.11 | jpiccolo | haha oops |
| 09:32.13 | Kamping_Kaiser | wols, really? |
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| 09:32.26 | wols | Kamping_Kaiser: ntfs does. shitty as heck but it does |
| 09:32.31 | Kamping_Kaiser | no. |
| 09:32.44 | blubberdiblub | Kamping_Kaiser: well, ntfs can do hardlinks, afairc ... but the commands to set them up are a bit hard to find ;) |
| 09:32.50 | Kamping_Kaiser | wols, i wasnt aware :/ thanks |
| 09:32.57 | logd | <blubberdiblub>it looks like the problem's in conf.d/resume |
| 09:33.04 | blubberdiblub | it can even do sparse files ... |
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| 09:33.24 | wols | blubberdiblub: that it can do fairly well. it's usable contrary to its hardlinks |
| 09:34.05 | ram_ | i have 1 parent directory it has 5 subdirec how many hardlink i can make for parent |
| 09:34.29 | wols | ram_: a gazillion. do you even know what a hardlink is? |
| 09:34.49 | ram_ | ya i learned a while befor |
| 09:35.19 | wols | then learn again since your question is nonsensical |
| 09:35.26 | jpiccolo | ram_: here: http://linuxgazette.net/105/pitcher.html |
| 09:36.25 | blubberdiblub | logd: whhich conf.d? there are a lot here. if you're talking about suspend/resume stuff, i cannot help you sorry. you might want to look at the kernel boot parameters |
| 09:37.14 | ram_ | if i have two nic packets will be routed simultaneously |
| 09:37.19 | ram_ | ? |
| 09:37.44 | jpiccolo | ram_: are you trying to take some kind of quiz or something |
| 09:37.53 | LoneTech | ram_: sorry, that doesn't even parse as a question. |
| 09:37.56 | simonrvn | you just here to troll? i get this sense this is so |
| 09:38.01 | ram_ | help me |
| 09:38.13 | ram_ | pl |
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| 09:38.30 | jpiccolo | sounds like ram_ is taking a exam for a class or something |
| 09:38.31 | wols | simonrvn: he can't be a troll, he said "please" (sorta |
| 09:38.53 | wols | jpiccolo: if this is an exam it's the shirtties exam ever |
| 09:38.55 | blubberdiblub | maybe english isn't his native language |
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| 09:39.07 | LoneTech | formally you can't hardlink directories. Only mkdir creates directory links. |
| 09:39.19 | LoneTech | blubberdiblub: I'd expect not |
| 09:39.48 | ram_ | ok . my pc has two nic when i send data another pc packets will be sent by using two or one nic? |
| 09:39.56 | wols | ram_: one |
| 09:40.04 | LoneTech | unless you trunk. |
| 09:40.16 | ram_ | what is trunk |
| 09:40.21 | jpiccolo | wols: well i would say its the most wide spread exam ever |
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| 09:40.38 | ram_ | pl |
| 09:40.44 | LoneTech | nah, sounds like a basic unix admin class.. |
| 09:40.59 | ram_ | ya i know but sorry |
| 09:41.06 | wols | ram_: you are offtopic |
| 09:41.16 | wols | please go away. irc is not for cheating on exams |
| 09:41.25 | jpiccolo | so ram_ it is an exam |
| 09:41.26 | jpiccolo | haah |
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| 09:41.34 | LoneTech | trunking is using several NICs as one, typically done to increase capacity or redundancy. |
| 09:41.57 | ram_ | thanks man |
| 09:42.13 | simonrvn | *plonk* |
| 09:42.18 | jpiccolo | sometimes they can be linked by hardware to work as one nic |
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| 09:42.22 | LoneTech | and I think I've said too much *shrug* |
| 09:43.17 | ram_ | myvar%%/* what is this in shell sh |
| 09:43.18 | ram_ | pl |
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| 09:43.37 | wols | ram_: stop cheating. now go away |
| 09:43.40 | Kamping_Kaiser | ram_, thats off topic for here |
| 09:43.57 | ram_ | pl tell me if anyone know |
| 09:44.22 | jpiccolo | if your going to cheat at least use google |
| 09:44.30 | simonrvn | hey, if he's dumb enough to put down exactly what you said without understanding any of it, his teacher will probably fail him on that exam if the teacher knows his writing style |
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| 09:44.55 | LoneTech | simonrvn: actually he probably will anyway, because although my answers are correct, they're not what the question asks for. |
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| 09:45.01 | wols | we could easily tell him the wrong answers and snsure his failing |
| 09:45.08 | Kamping_Kaiser | the other option would be to tell whatever you feel like |
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| 09:45.24 | wols | ram_: do you want to fail? |
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| 09:45.40 | ram_ | no |
| 09:45.43 | blazemonger | when i install debian stable i get this prompt during installation asking me if i want to continue without a valid swap partition |
| 09:45.59 | wols | ram_: then I wouldn't use any of the answers given here |
| 09:46.11 | wols | blazemonger: then create one? |
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| 09:46.37 | liable | or make a swapfile after |
| 09:47.07 | ram_ | ok . windows server2003 is based on active directory linux is based on wat? |
| 09:47.13 | ram_ | help me |
| 09:47.16 | jpiccolo | or if you have enough ram dont use a swap file |
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| 09:47.34 | jpiccolo | linux is based on penguins |
| 09:47.48 | ram_ | pl |
| 09:47.50 | simonrvn | s,based,runs, |
| 09:47.57 | simonrvn | ;p |
| 09:48.04 | ram_ | pl help me |
| 09:48.15 | simonrvn | ugh |
| 09:48.18 | wols | simonrvn: those damn birds are expensive |
| 09:48.22 | liable | bledrfied and refined into 0's and 1's |
| 09:48.25 | simonrvn | i said it... and regretted saying it |
| 09:48.44 | wols | good thing they don't fly. makes it easier to catch 'em |
| 09:48.59 | simonrvn | they sure swim good |
| 09:49.00 | blazemonger | 512 mb of memory |
| 09:49.03 | ram_ | pl help linux server is based on what ? |
| 09:49.08 | wols | they shit good too, and smell worse |
| 09:49.27 | simonrvn | and your shit don't stink? :P |
| 09:49.41 | jpiccolo | linux is based on ext3 |
| 09:49.43 | wols | not for me :P |
| 09:49.46 | Kamping_Kaiser | problem is competeing with nature to get the buggers |
| 09:49.48 | xXCarpXx | lol ram_ |
| 09:49.52 | simonrvn | heheh good answer |
| 09:51.31 | jpiccolo | like this |
| 09:51.32 | jpiccolo | http://cubanlinks.org/articles/2007/2/17/batman-calculus |
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| 09:53.15 | ram_ | what is openldap |
| 09:53.30 | liable | !cluebat ram_ |
| 09:53.33 | ismael_ | ram_: www.justfuckinggoogleit.com |
| 09:53.41 | wols | ram_: a lightweight protocol |
| 09:53.52 | LoneTech | um, winserver isn't based on active directory :P |
| 09:53.53 | xXCarpXx | ram_ |
| 09:53.59 | xXCarpXx | u can look up all the stuff on wikipedia |
| 09:54.12 | wols | xXCarpXx: stop helping him to cheat |
| 09:54.17 | xXCarpXx | :( |
| 09:54.27 | xXCarpXx | ^^ |
| 09:54.45 | wols | ram_: I can promise you one thing: if you use our answers you will fail |
| 09:54.54 | ram_ | can i make linux server as a domain controller in active directory enviornment |
| 09:54.56 | simonrvn | openldap is opened ldaps. used as windows on barns |
| 09:54.59 | wols | ram_: so why do you use them? |
| 09:55.01 | LoneTech | my dad tends to make 1.3G CD-ROMs. Just because his mp3 player is dumb. |
| 09:55.52 | simonrvn | ram_: no, linux would eat windows for breakfast |
| 09:55.54 | ram_ | help me to my last question |
| 09:56.05 | LoneTech | ram_: I'd say no. The sheer amount of questions you refuse to answer for yourself indicates that you cannor make any server do anything particular currently. |
| 09:56.15 | LoneTech | s/cannor/cannot |
| 09:56.21 | simonrvn | !LoneTech++ |
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| 09:57.38 | wols | ooh,,,,, singapore |
| 09:57.49 | SRabbelier | Heya, since I did apt-get upgrade yesterday my resolution (or default font size) seems to have gone up (by a lot), any advice how I can fix this? |
| 09:58.14 | ram_ | how can u find wols |
| 09:58.20 | blubberdiblub | wols: what took you so long? ;) |
| 09:58.28 | Kamping_Kaiser | i look in the user list :) |
| 09:58.30 | ram_ | pl tell me to find out so |
| 09:58.50 | wols | the clever obfuscation by missing reverse dns :) |
| 09:59.09 | Kamping_Kaiser | hehe |
| 09:59.24 | ram_ | wht is that |
| 09:59.36 | ram_ | pl use simple english |
| 09:59.43 | liable | ram_: this is *not* a channel for your basic linux questions, its for debian specific support. go away |
| 10:00.02 | wols | liable: you should realize by now he won't |
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| 10:00.32 | wols | liable: just give him wrong info about his questions. he will fail and IT will be spared another wannabe MSCE |
| 10:00.47 | wols | aternatively if you want .sg's IT as a whole to fail, give him right answers |
| 10:00.51 | ram_ | my language is tamil dont have that much knowledge in engli |
| 10:01.08 | wols | ram_: you should know enough to "go away" |
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| 10:02.04 | ram_ | in lieu of going away i would rather just fuck around |
| 10:02.20 | simonrvn | i'd rather just put you on ignore again |
| 10:02.40 | wols | ram_: please do. makes the ops ban you faster |
| 10:02.43 | ram_ | here anyone anglophile? |
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| 10:03.48 | xXCarpXx | ram_ are u a terrorist? |
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| 10:04.12 | cahoot | what's the point in augmenting the noise? |
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| 10:04.21 | SRabbelier | a terrifying terrorist? (Jeff Dunham, wooh) |
| 10:04.30 | ram_ | i am an anglophile then how can i be terrorist |
| 10:04.33 | hoxu | cahoot, sunday. |
| 10:04.40 | wols | cahoot: no one's asking anything debian related. might as well fuck with the trolls |
| 10:04.48 | xXCarpXx | y terrorist was teh wrong word |
| 10:04.55 | xXCarpXx | wanted to wirte guerilla fighter^^ |
| 10:04.56 | wols | xXCarpXx: freedom fighter |
| 10:04.59 | xXCarpXx | y |
| 10:05.04 | xXCarpXx | as i said^^ |
| 10:05.04 | simonrvn | z |
| 10:05.08 | ram_ | english and windows are my soul |
| 10:05.10 | wols | SRabbelier: ask again please |
| 10:05.14 | SRabbelier | Heya, since I did apt-get upgrade yesterday my resolution (or default font size) seems to have gone up (by a lot), any advice how I can fix this? |
| 10:05.17 | Kamping_Kaiser | "anglophile" ? |
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| 10:05.34 | wols | ram_: that's seriously bad karma there. at most you will be a cockroach next life. if you are lucky |
| 10:05.39 | Kamping_Kaiser | SRabbelier, running lenny/sid? |
| 10:05.49 | cahoot | SRabbelier: not using gnome? |
| 10:06.05 | SRabbelier | Kamping_Kaisy: yes to running lenny/sid |
| 10:06.12 | SRabbelier | cahoot: yes to not using gnome, runinning openbox |
| 10:06.16 | ram_ | he he |
| 10:06.16 | ram_ | windows will prevail |
| 10:06.37 | jpiccolo | ram_: dont go there |
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| 10:06.52 | cahoot | SRabbelier: try defining DisplaySize in xorg.conf |
| 10:06.54 | ram_ | why |
| 10:07.15 | jpiccolo | your in a linux distro's channel |
| 10:07.17 | zak_ | is_null: :) |
| 10:07.20 | SRabbelier | cahoot: sure :) |
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| 10:08.34 | is_null | zak_ is a windows user whom wishes to start with linux |
| 10:08.48 | dimir | Morning! |
| 10:08.53 | SRabbelier | cahoot:, there -is- a section with SubSection "Display"\n Modes "1400x1050" "1280x1024" "1024x768" "800x600"\n EndSubSection |
| 10:08.54 | zak_ | hi all :) |
| 10:09.05 | Kamping_Kaiser | zak_, welcome in |
| 10:09.11 | zak_ | thanks :) |
| 10:09.19 | Kamping_Kaiser | :) |
| 10:09.23 | zak_ | though iam not really a fully linux user :) |
| 10:09.39 | ram_ | ok i am off |
| 10:09.44 | jpiccolo | well you have opened the door at least |
| 10:09.46 | is_null | zak_: i started being successful with linux when i installed debian. Installing is very easy if you are used to install "windows". Installing and updating softwares is easy and fast with "aptitude" on debian. |
| 10:09.56 | simonrvn | i'm not fully awake so it's ok |
| 10:10.10 | wols | SRabbelier: displaysize sets the physical size of your monitor, not resolution |
| 10:10.33 | SRabbelier | wols: ah, -nods-, I see now, makes sense since it's under Monitor |
| 10:10.39 | zak_ | is_null: ive see na friend installing suse on his pc ;) is it the same thing with debian? |
| 10:10.42 | cahoot | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:10.46 | SRabbelier | ok, restarting X :), brb |
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| 10:11.11 | Kamping_Kaiser | zak_, the install process is quite different |
| 10:11.16 | ram_ | can i implement wireless network in active directory |
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| 10:11.35 | Kamping_Kaiser | fairly painless, but its different to distros like suse/red hat |
| 10:11.42 | zak_ | any screenshot |
| 10:11.58 | zak_ | ?of debai ninstalaltion :) |
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| 10:12.19 | Kamping_Kaiser | i'm fairly sure theres plenty "out there", not sure where exactly |
| 10:12.41 | SRabbelier | Everything is still huge; it's as if I hit "font size up" a few times |
| 10:12.58 | jpiccolo | is debian working on a live cd? or is that something that isnt planned? |
| 10:13.08 | is_null | zak_: suse uses this "package" manager : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RPM_Package_Manager wheras Debian uses http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apt-get |
| 10:13.13 | Kamping_Kaiser | jpiccolo, theres an unoffical live cd |
| 10:13.31 | is_null | zak_: you should be able to make your choice once you've read and understood this articles, good luck ;) |
| 10:13.41 | jpiccolo | Kamping_Kaiser: what about offical? is it in the works or not? |
| 10:14.02 | Kamping_Kaiser | jpiccolo, i think the plan is to make them offical, but i'm not sure where thats at yet |
| 10:14.12 | zak_ | thanks man :) |
| 10:14.19 | SRabbelier | Kamping_Kaiser: you asked me if I'm running lenny/sid, did you have any suggestions? |
| 10:14.33 | cahoot | SRabbelier: xrdb -query - what dpi? |
| 10:15.07 | Kamping_Kaiser | SRabbelier, just to establish what version your on - i run etch, so i cant realy comment on whats causing you issues |
| 10:15.14 | SRabbelier | cahoot: Xft.dpi:116.547852 |
| 10:15.27 | SRabbelier | Kamping_Kaiser, ah, ok thanks :) |
| 10:15.35 | Kamping_Kaiser | :) |
| 10:15.39 | cahoot | SRabbelier: is that correct for your display? |
| 10:16.15 | SRabbelier | cahoot: erm, I don't know, is that something your manifcaturer tells you? |
| 10:16.50 | cahoot | SRabbelier: resolution divided by physical width (in inhes) would tell |
| 10:16.57 | cahoot | inches |
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| 10:17.35 | SRabbelier | cahoot: afaik it's 17", lemme double check |
| 10:17.59 | SRabbelier | cahoot: lie.. lol, 15.4" |
| 10:18.10 | cahoot | and resolution? |
| 10:18.37 | SRabbelier | I'm not sure what it's set to now, how can I find out? |
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| 10:19.09 | cahoot | xrandr -q |
| 10:19.42 | SRabbelier | Screen 0: minimum 320 x 200, current 1400 x 1050, maximum 1400 x 1050 |
| 10:20.08 | SRabbelier | 1400*1050 / 15.4? |
| 10:20.11 | cahoot | 90 |
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| 10:20.25 | cahoot | 90 would be the correct dpi |
| 10:20.36 | SRabbelier | ok, does that explain why it's bigger? |
| 10:20.51 | blubberdiblub | erm, i guess with 15.4" he meant his screen diagonal, not his width ... |
| 10:21.06 | cahoot | oops |
| 10:21.23 | SRabbelier | blubberdiblub: my bad, yes I did, I didn't realise you meant width |
| 10:21.25 | ram_ | can i use whois command in cmd(command prompt) |
| 10:21.28 | blubberdiblub | if it's 4:3, his width would probably be something like 12.32" |
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| 10:21.50 | ram_ | can i use whois command in cmd |
| 10:21.53 | cahoot | in that case 113 *is* correct |
| 10:22.15 | nvz | ram_: I think thats in dnsutils |
| 10:22.25 | nvz | !find whois |
| 10:22.32 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'whois' (8 of 44): (/usr/bin/gwhois) in net/gwhois ;; (/usr/bin/cwhois) in utils/asused ;; (/usr/bin/rwhois) in net/socks4-clients ;; (/usr/share/ircII/help/whois) in net/ircii ;; (/usr/share/irssi/help/whois) in net/irssi ;; (/usr/share/hinfo/whois.ins.pl) in net/hinfo ;; (/usr/share/ipplan/user/whois.php) in web/ipplan ;; (/usr/share/kaptain/whois.kaptn) in utils/kaptain. |
| 10:22.34 | Caelum | how do I set the window manager in gnome? stupid thing set itself to metacity, and I use sawfish |
| 10:22.35 | SRabbelier | cahoot: the strange thing is, in some editors I can change the font size by for example, holding control and scrolling, and it seems that its' just a step or two too big |
| 10:23.02 | nvz | !find ^bin/whois$ |
| 10:23.28 | ram_ | i am talking about windows |
| 10:23.42 | SRabbelier | ram_ why do you ask on #Debian then, try #windows? |
| 10:23.44 | nvz | ram_: oh, well wtf are you asking here for then :P |
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| 10:24.05 | gg | How would I throttle my cpu like ubuntu does? |
| 10:24.05 | blubberdiblub | SRabbelier: maybe it was wrong before upgrading and correct now. can't you just reconfigure your default font sizes? |
| 10:24.17 | SRabbelier | blubberdiblub: I'd like to ^^, how? |
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| 10:24.36 | blubberdiblub | SRabbelier: depends on your desktop system, i suppose |
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| 10:24.39 | Kamping_Kaiser | gg, probably depends how ubuntu does it. ;P |
| 10:24.49 | gg | I have no idea, but windows does it too |
| 10:24.56 | nvz | gg: I have no idea how ubuntu does anything, but throttling your cpu is usually as simple as manipulating /proc/acpi/processor/CPU0/throttling |
| 10:25.05 | lhadji | Hey! Is there a way I can stop data going into /var/log/wtmp explicitly? |
| 10:25.08 | gg | hmm ok |
| 10:25.27 | gg | What about checking my battery? I dont seem to have /proc/acpi/battery |
| 10:25.30 | ram_ | ok i love windows user friendly even though i am using linux |
| 10:25.46 | nvz | gg: maybe you don't have the driver loaded for acpi battery |
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| 10:26.01 | SRabbelier | gg: am interested in that question too :P |
| 10:26.14 | gg | It all worked fine in ubuntu |
| 10:26.15 | Almindor | hey guys (again :D) |
| 10:26.28 | SRabbelier | blubberdiblub: what would be the usual place to look? |
| 10:26.28 | gg | Is there a generic driver? |
| 10:26.36 | nvz | gg: you are really losing attention everytime you say that |
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| 10:27.08 | blubberdiblub | SRabbelier: i can only tell you about kde, since that's what i'm using. you could configure font sizes in the control center there |
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| 10:27.23 | nvz | gg: there are acpi drivers for all sorts of things switches, fans, batteries.. |
| 10:27.28 | gg | hmm ok |
| 10:27.40 | Almindor | I set up an old P120 with 32M RAM as his router/firewall. The machine has APM (turned on in kernel etc. with apmd being on) and is set to max saving mode (2 minutes to turn the noisy disk on). iptables are set to not log anything, cron is off, but the disk still wakes up every half an hour or so (seems a bit random tho). Any ideas what might be causing it and how to avoid it? |
| 10:27.45 | SRabbelier | blubberdiblub: ah, theto openbox documentation it is then |
| 10:27.55 | Almindor | *as my router* |
| 10:28.18 | Almindor | *2 minutes to turn the noisy disk OFF* |
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| 10:28.33 | nvz | gg: in the FOSS world anything one OS can do the others can too, if you are so concerned with how ubuntu does things then ask #ubuntu I for one don't use it and don't care to, I use debian, I support debian, hence why I am in #debian |
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| 10:29.12 | bucky | i have KDE running on an old laptop.it`s very slow. can i uninstall KDE and use a lighter manager? would uninstalling KDE make a difference? |
| 10:29.30 | spx2 | I'm trying to do "/etc/init.d/kdm stop;X -query IP :1" and it doesn't forward my X properly.how can I make this work? |
| 10:29.39 | nvz | bucky: yes, kde is slow |
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| 10:29.54 | hoxu | bucky, try fluxbox or something similar, you can do that before uninstalling anything |
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| 10:30.17 | nvz | bucky: xfce might be lighter, but I'd go with an entirely custom xsession based on your needs, preferences, and resources |
| 10:30.26 | bucky | nvz, my question is will uninstalling make a difference? |
| 10:30.41 | nvz | bucky: yeah it will make the difference that you won't have kde anymore |
| 10:30.53 | hoxu | bucky, it won't, provided KDE is not running when you use another window manager :P |
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| 10:31.08 | nvz | bucky: if you mean speed wise, I answered that in saying KDE is slow, cause its bloated |
| 10:31.12 | doomster | hi! |
| 10:31.28 | bucky | nvz, hoxu so if i run icewm i do not need to unistall kde? |
| 10:31.36 | nvz | bucky: no |
| 10:32.00 | Kamping_Kaiser | hi doomster :) |
| 10:32.09 | cyberfr0g | hello |
| 10:32.11 | nvz | bucky: you can have as many things as you want installed and not use them |
| 10:32.29 | nvz | why you would want to leave things installed you don't use is beyond me, but you can |
| 10:32.31 | cyberfr0g | confidential |
| 10:32.50 | SRabbelier | I -do- have an /proc/acpi/battery, but just cat-ing the contents of 'state' in there seems weird, is there a tool you'd recommend for laptop users to monitor battery power? maybe daemon that checks it and warns you if the power gets low? |
| 10:32.58 | nvz | hoxu: now thats not nice.. I was just trying to poke him, I didn't know he was asleep |
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| 10:33.05 | hoxu | nvz, I think the point is, you probably want to keep things around until you've comfortable with whatever you switch over to |
| 10:33.20 | nvz | hoxu: understandable |
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| 10:33.43 | SRabbelier | nvz: and someone else might want to use your box and not be femiliar with whatever else you switched to |
| 10:33.52 | nvz | hoxu: though I don't see how you could be concerned with comfort if you use kde |
| 10:33.59 | SRabbelier | rofl :P |
| 10:34.13 | bucky | can anyone recommend a fast browser ? must have tabs and show both pix and text |
| 10:34.37 | hoxu | nvz, I feel comfortable being part of the driving force in hardware development by using KDE and firefox ;) |
| 10:34.39 | spx2 | I'm trying to do "/etc/init.d/kdm stop;X -query IP :1" and it doesn't forward my X properly.how can I make this work? |
| 10:34.49 | nvz | bucky: well the fastest two browsers I know of don't have tabs they are dillo and links2 and both do images |
| 10:35.03 | nvz | bucky: epiphany might work for what you need |
| 10:35.20 | spx2 | bucky: links2 -g is very cool |
| 10:35.34 | hoxu | bucky, opera, if you can escape the inquisition committeeq |
| 10:35.44 | nvz | hoxu: ok I don't have any idea what you are talking about now, and frankly you're scaring me |
| 10:35.44 | mavhc | tabs should be part of the window manager, not the app |
| 10:35.52 | gg | Whats this about the inquisition? |
| 10:35.53 | doomster | can someone give me a hint how I can get a working (i.e. capable of rendering that popular video site) flashplayer for a PPC? |
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| 10:35.57 | bucky | spx2, will links2 -g display chinese? |
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| 10:36.06 | nvz | mavhc: are you smoking crack? cause crack kills. |
| 10:36.13 | Kamping_Kaiser | doomster, try gnash. |
| 10:36.20 | bucky | hoxu, im currently running opera but its tsill slow on my ancient laptop |
| 10:36.20 | spx2 | bucky: it displays images |
| 10:36.35 | mavhc | nvz: no, why? |
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| 10:36.41 | bucky | spx2, apt-getting now...thanks |
| 10:37.20 | nvz | mavhc: a wm implementing tabbed browsing? |
| 10:38.00 | doomster | Kamping_Kaiser: do you have a recommendation where I should get it from, i.e. compile from source or package? |
| 10:38.04 | gg | nvz: I have no /proc/acpi/ folder is that a problem? |
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| 10:38.10 | mavhc | a wm implementing tabbed windows, you'd just join all windows from the same app, or be able to do it manually |
| 10:38.20 | nvz | gg: just means you have no acpi drivers loaded |
| 10:38.39 | Kamping_Kaiser | doomster, i dont use it myself so not really. in order of preference i'd go : debian offical packages, unoffical backports, source |
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| 10:39.06 | doomster | ah, backports.org, forgot about that one.... |
| 10:39.09 | doomster | Thanks! |
| 10:39.14 | nvz | gg: install modconf, run modconf, browse around in the ACPI section |
| 10:39.15 | Kamping_Kaiser | np |
| 10:39.20 | gg | ok thanks |
| 10:40.42 | nvz | oy! I just ran modconf to see where the acpi section was only to realize I am running the wrong kernel |
| 10:40.54 | nvz | I should have uninstalled this damn kernel a long time ago |
| 10:41.02 | Caelum | anyone using fglrx-drver 8.44 in sid? |
| 10:41.33 | nvz | its a damn kernel I screwed up on when compiling I didn't think it would even boot to the level of functionality I've been using it on for over 2 weeks now |
| 10:41.53 | nvz | !info fglrx-driver |
| 10:41.54 | dpkg | fglrx-driver: (non-free AMD/ATI r5xx, r6xx display driver), section non-free/x11, is extra. Version: 8.44.3-1 (sid), Packaged size: 7838 kB, Installed size: 25864 kB |
| 10:42.06 | nvz | Caelum: does that answer your question? |
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| 10:42.43 | Caelum | I know it's there... I was just wondering if anyone was using it succesfully |
| 10:43.04 | nvz | Caelum: then I read your question wrong.. I've been doing that a lot lately |
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| 10:43.31 | nvz | though those kinds of questions are more usage polls, and they are useless to both the person asking and the person answering (if any) |
| 10:43.50 | Caelum | I had to downgrade to 8.43 because X wouldn't start for me |
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| 10:43.58 | nvz | Caelum: does it start now? |
| 10:44.07 | Caelum | with 8.43 yeah |
| 10:44.16 | nvz | Caelum: then what's the problem? file a bug, move on |
| 10:44.26 | Caelum | heh, ok |
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| 10:45.44 | nvz | I find it ammusing you know enough to run sid, to work around an issue successfully but don't know to file a bug instead of comming in here and issuing a usage poll |
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| 10:46.25 | nvz | but then I am rather maniacally cynical sometimes |
| 10:47.33 | Caelum | yes, I was even a dd once...long time ago |
| 10:47.37 | gg | dd? |
| 10:47.45 | gg | oh dev |
| 10:48.13 | nvz | Caelum: wow, what did you do? |
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| 10:48.55 | Caelum | nvz: I ported printtool to debian, that was before cups :) |
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| 10:49.23 | nvz | I still haven't taken the time to learn the whole packaging process yet it seems rather simple but I just never got around to it |
| 10:49.31 | leoZilla | is it possible to set up debian and winxp on a raid 1 array using a onboard intel controller? |
| 10:49.32 | Kamping_Kaiser | BC? ;) |
| 10:49.38 | nvz | Tech support works for me |
| 10:49.45 | nvz | Kamping_Kaiser: heh |
| 10:49.56 | Caelum | Kamping_Kaiser: haha |
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| 10:50.50 | nvz | leoZilla: its a hardware raid controller, I don't see why not |
| 10:51.28 | gg | So do you spend much time reading debian source? |
| 10:51.31 | nvz | leoZilla: I'd install windows first though, so it won't bitch about anything |
| 10:51.46 | leoZilla | nvz: do u know a tutorial or a good link for this? |
| 10:52.04 | nvz | leoZilla: no, I'm not seeing how its any different than doing it without the raid |
| 10:52.08 | gg | No such device :-( |
| 10:52.21 | nvz | the idea of a hardware raid controller is to make the fact that there is a raid transparent to the OS |
| 10:52.29 | gg | FATAL: Error inserting battery |
| 10:52.42 | nvz | well as much as possible |
| 10:53.19 | jpiccolo | if the controller is true hardware raid, there should be no problem |
| 10:53.19 | nvz | leoZilla: the debian install guide should cover setting up debian on a raid |
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| 10:53.54 | jpiccolo | if its fakeraid that might prove to be a problem |
| 10:54.27 | leoZilla | i think it is a fakeraid |
| 10:54.32 | nvz | ew |
| 10:54.42 | leoZilla | should i use dmraid to get it work? |
| 10:55.33 | jpiccolo | well first see if the chipset is supported with dmraid |
| 10:55.39 | liable | depends on the chip, if the installer sees the disks at all, just set up siftware raid in the installer |
| 10:55.56 | zak_ | does debain use by default gnome or kde ? |
| 10:56.02 | FunctorSalad | hi. I'm trying to apt-get build-dep something and apt wants to remove some packages (dependency conflicts I suppose). how can I see what exactly the conflict is, so I can examine the situation in aptitude? (apt-get build-dep wants to install lots of packages, so I don't want to install every single one by hand in aptitude) |
| 10:56.03 | SerajewelKS | i'm curious what is motivating you to use raid on a dual-boot system |
| 10:56.11 | nvz | liable: did you get the part where he wants to dual-boot windows/debian off this raid |
| 10:56.24 | Kamping_Kaiser | zak_, it has install cds for both |
| 10:56.32 | nvz | zak_: debian by default does neither |
| 10:56.35 | SerajewelKS | zak_: google for them |
| 10:56.51 | leoZilla | the installer shows two seperate disks |
| 10:56.52 | liable | nvz: no, i missed that. should make for fun. |
| 10:56.53 | nvz | zak_: if you choose desktop system in tasksel, it depends on which cd you ran |
| 10:56.57 | jpiccolo | yeah why do you actually want to have dual boot on a raid1 |
| 10:57.04 | nvz | liable: you call that fun? sick |
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| 10:57.31 | SerajewelKS | !fgi zak_ debian screenshot kde |
| 10:57.31 | dpkg | zak_: http://fuckinggoogleit.com/search?query=debian screenshot kde |
| 10:57.40 | SerajewelKS | !fgi zak_ debian+screenshot+kde |
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| 10:57.40 | dpkg | zak_: http://fuckinggoogleit.com/search?query=debian+screenshot+kde |
| 10:57.42 | SerajewelKS | there |
| 10:57.49 | leoZilla | because its fast and i only have two hds, so i can only create one raid array |
| 10:57.49 | liable | nvz: well, from a tinkerers point of view.. ;) |
| 10:57.53 | zak_ | hey guys :)thans so much :) |
| 10:58.20 | nvz | liable: I've got a healthy scientific curiousty, but I'm not glutton for punishment or anything |
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| 10:58.55 | liable | nvz: i am, trying to work around a bios whitelist atm :) |
| 10:59.16 | zak_ | goodbye windows : D |
| 10:59.23 | nvz | though considering I'm looking to make the move from end-user support to enterprise-level I should probably start tinkering with more things |
| 10:59.26 | SerajewelKS | zak_: personally i like gnome, but opinions are a dime a dozen |
| 10:59.56 | nvz | zak_: I did that like 7 years ago, and I've been in this IRC channel ever since |
| 11:00.08 | SerajewelKS | nvz: 7ish for me too |
| 11:00.12 | nvz | I got long hair now, and no girlfriend |
| 11:00.14 | nvz | heh |
| 11:00.15 | leoZilla | so this will be trouble? setting up dualbooting from a single raid array? |
| 11:00.22 | SerajewelKS | i still have windows around for the occasional oddball game that doesn't work with wine |
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| 11:00.35 | SerajewelKS | nvz: i got one about 11 months ago actually :) |
| 11:00.47 | hoxu | TMI TMI TMI TMI |
| 11:00.57 | nvz | SerajewelKS: wow, kudos to thos who try I suppose.. |
| 11:01.02 | zak_ | wine?? |
| 11:01.06 | liable | leoZilla: the way that windows and linux interact with the raid may be a problem, but may not. I think you are going to have to suck it and see |
| 11:01.35 | SerajewelKS | nvz: well i don't want to be a hermit my *whole* life |
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| 11:01.42 | SerajewelKS | zak_: yes, wine |
| 11:01.48 | zak_ | ?? |
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| 11:01.54 | SerajewelKS | !! |
| 11:01.54 | dpkg | I'm not your csh prompt! |
| 11:01.55 | zak_ | what s wine ,? |
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| 11:02.13 | SerajewelKS | !fgi zak_ wine+software |
| 11:02.13 | dpkg | zak_: http://fuckinggoogleit.com/search?query=wine+software |
| 11:02.15 | nvz | SerajewelKS: my spending so much time online is getting in the way.. the girl I do like keeps trying to talk to me on myspace or sms messages and I keep getting ignorant with her cause I can't stand my personal life running into the damn microcosmic computer universe I spend most of my time in as it is |
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| 11:02.44 | nvz | I feel like I should be in some 1100 step program for computer addiction |
| 11:03.03 | SerajewelKS | nvz: if your girl is trying to talk to you on myspace, that is problem #1 |
| 11:03.13 | SerajewelKS | sociaholic |
| 11:03.14 | gg | Do you talk to her in real life nvz? |
| 11:03.18 | jpiccolo | haha yeah |
| 11:03.28 | nvz | SerajewelKS: well she acts like us living 8 miles apart is far or something |
| 11:03.37 | SerajewelKS | nvz: haha eight |
| 11:04.13 | SerajewelKS | the biggest issue between us is that sometimes i like to have me time |
| 11:04.20 | FunctorSalad | nvz: I thought I was addicted, but if the girl is trying to talk to *you*, .... |
| 11:04.25 | SerajewelKS | and she wants to see me as much as she can |
| 11:04.28 | nvz | gg: I was a long time ago.. we haven't spoken much in like 3 months until just a few days ago.. she got tired of me snapping, and I got tired of her not respecting the fact when Im not working I don't want to be dealing with her through a pc.. it really bothers me |
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| 11:04.39 | gg | right |
| 11:04.41 | SerajewelKS | but i need my WoW fix sometimes, and i do have other friends... |
| 11:04.47 | gg | So you have seen her in real life once :-| |
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| 11:05.13 | nvz | gg: hah, I've seen her in real life many time, we'd know each other for many years, she used to live right across the street from me |
| 11:05.46 | jpiccolo | i was happy when my girl moved out of state again |
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| 11:06.24 | nvz | SerajewelKS: yeah well for me its the opposite, I'd rather see her, she'd rather daydream and text message |
| 11:06.43 | nvz | I can't stand dealing with personal matters in a non-personal way |
| 11:06.55 | nvz | hell I often even go see clients in person for shit I can do over the phone |
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| 11:07.00 | gg | Yeah cyber just isnt the same |
| 11:07.06 | nvz | I'm just a one-on-one personal attention kinda guy |
| 11:07.09 | SerajewelKS | nvz: i want to see her too, just not all the time |
| 11:07.18 | gg | Yeah maybe I'll go see her for you |
| 11:07.20 | nvz | I love being a geek, but I hate computers... its weird |
| 11:07.29 | SerajewelKS | nvz: and we frequently IM too |
| 11:07.36 | SerajewelKS | nvz: just sometimes i need my space |
| 11:07.52 | SerajewelKS | to her that means "i don't want to see you" |
| 11:08.01 | nvz | computers and I just understand each other too well to not be working together.. I just don't like having them all up in my life |
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| 11:08.22 | gg | Do you think like a computer? |
| 11:08.29 | nvz | uh huh, its scary |
| 11:08.47 | SerajewelKS | i don't know if i think *like* one |
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| 11:09.04 | SerajewelKS | but when i'm coding C# i can see the IL that the compiler will generate in my head |
| 11:09.10 | gg | So when you meet people, you read them like a machine, not with empathy |
| 11:09.16 | SerajewelKS | and other strange phenomena like that |
| 11:09.35 | SerajewelKS | i only empathize with people i care about |
| 11:10.12 | nvz | gg: no, I have emotions, in fact I am overly emo, I just think very much like a computer very precise, very proceedural |
| 11:10.22 | nvz | you have to establish protocols to get through to me |
| 11:10.27 | gg | nearly sounds like asperge |
| 11:10.29 | gg | r |
| 11:10.40 | nvz | which is the problem with this woman, she won't respect my preferred protocol |
| 11:10.52 | gg | Did you tell her to get in the queue? |
| 11:10.56 | nvz | heh |
| 11:11.06 | SerajewelKS | i am overly logical by contrast |
| 11:11.36 | SerajewelKS | if feel uncomfortable making decisions that are driven by emotion |
| 11:11.43 | SerajewelKS | it feels like i'm losing control |
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| 11:12.07 | nvz | SerajewelKS: yeah I know what you mean by that kind of thing.. I have lots of strange geek issues like that myself |
| 11:12.15 | FunctorSalad | ... which makes in hard to make decisions at all, in my experience |
| 11:12.27 | gg | That only happens when I am doing technical tasks like coding |
| 11:13.00 | SerajewelKS | FunctorSalad: when the decision is between multiple options that all make equivalent sense, correct |
| 11:13.25 | SerajewelKS | FunctorSalad: that happens far less than you'd think though |
| 11:13.51 | nvz | ugh, its weird hearing you guys talk like that.. |
| 11:13.54 | SerajewelKS | "should we eat at restaurant A or B?" "A is closer, but B is cheaper. given the distance, B will save more money." |
| 11:13.56 | nvz | I thought I was just wacko |
| 11:14.09 | SerajewelKS | therefore we eat at B |
| 11:14.10 | nvz | I can't make up my mind for shit when there are equal options |
| 11:14.20 | gg | FIFO? |
| 11:14.21 | SerajewelKS | nvz: my gf and i are the same way |
| 11:14.23 | humbolto | which version of xen is in debian? packages.debian.org seems to be down. |
| 11:14.26 | FunctorSalad | SerajewelKS: not only that... if you want to make an (nearly) optimal decisions, things like, say, buying a water boiler become a large effort. so much that I tend to avoid these things |
| 11:14.41 | SerajewelKS | nvz: so she has this game where you ask a question and the first person to say "one two three not it" doesn't have to pick |
| 11:14.49 | SerajewelKS | nvz: it's the cornerstone of our decision-making process |
| 11:14.55 | nvz | SerajewelKS: I guess thats where I am going wrong.. this girl completly doesn't understand.. tells me I think too much and shit.. as though I could stop. |
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| 11:15.04 | nvz | SerajewelKS: haha |
| 11:15.16 | nvz | SerajewelKS: I wish I had it that easy |
| 11:15.16 | SerajewelKS | nvz: you think i'm kidding |
| 11:15.19 | FunctorSalad | SerajewelKS: and the healthiness of the food they server, the music, the looks, the loudness, ... |
| 11:15.24 | FunctorSalad | *serve |
| 11:15.50 | SerajewelKS | FunctorSalad: yes but much of that is decided by the subconcious too |
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| 11:16.05 | FunctorSalad | my new policy is that for things that are not really important, I should make a irrational decision and learn from experience rather than collecting data for days |
| 11:16.07 | SerajewelKS | FunctorSalad: it's amazing how quickly your mind will consider those factors |
| 11:16.16 | SerajewelKS | FunctorSalad: haha |
| 11:16.25 | SerajewelKS | FunctorSalad: usually when i do that i get fucked one way or another |
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| 11:16.39 | gg | I am my worse enemy |
| 11:16.48 | gg | That is one of my favourite phrases |
| 11:16.49 | SerajewelKS | FunctorSalad: i need to start flipping coins for stuff |
| 11:17.04 | SerajewelKS | FunctorSalad: for decisions between more than two things, set up a tournament ladder |
| 11:17.19 | FunctorSalad | SerajewelKS: yeah, that's what I thought too. funnily enough, when you start flipping a coin, you sometimes get stronger opinions on the options :) |
| 11:17.39 | gg | Just get a coin thats always heads |
| 11:17.43 | nvz | thats another thing.. geeks seem to try program their minds to work better like they do their computers |
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| 11:17.53 | SerajewelKS | nvz: yup |
| 11:18.01 | nvz | I'm constantly analysing everything including my own thought processes |
| 11:18.04 | SerajewelKS | the analyzer/architect |
| 11:18.08 | gg | Thats what I do |
| 11:18.12 | FunctorSalad | nvz: yes, I'm quite obsessing about the efficiency of my mind |
| 11:18.24 | SerajewelKS | can i just say that we all need lives? |
| 11:18.25 | tuseroni | quick question, if the mplayer benchmark returns "VC: 94.6633%" does that mean the file has over 94% cpu pull? |
| 11:18.30 | gg | There are states I get into where I trace my every thought and action |
| 11:18.34 | nvz | ugh, I need a support group of other geeks |
| 11:18.35 | nvz | heh |
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| 11:18.40 | SerajewelKS | now we're analyzing our analysis processes |
| 11:18.47 | SerajewelKS | we've transcended to a new level |
| 11:18.48 | gg | Its scary, and people say I am crazy |
| 11:18.55 | FunctorSalad | SerajewelKS: is that rational, should we continue? |
| 11:18.57 | FunctorSalad | ;)) |
| 11:19.05 | nvz | tuseroni: have you tried the mplayer channel? mplayer is quite complex for asking in a general distro channel |
| 11:19.16 | nvz | tuseroni: I use it but hardly know everything about it |
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| 11:19.41 | SerajewelKS | sigh |
| 11:19.42 | tuseroni | hmm...odd..i never thought to see if there were other channels... |
| 11:19.54 | riverrun | lol |
| 11:20.00 | FunctorSalad | gg: from what I read, meditation is supposed to be good for learning to observe your thoughts and actions |
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| 11:20.11 | SerajewelKS | does anyone else not follow sidewalks, because it's more efficient to walk in a straight line over the grass? |
| 11:20.21 | gg | Yeah I think I have reached enlightment before |
| 11:20.37 | Kamping_Kaiser | *grin* what a random conversation to watch |
| 11:20.38 | nvz | I was just outside smoking trying to solve some problems I'm encountering and couldnt focus on them for shit because I am too busy running tracebacks on the though processes and philosophies that caused them to begin with |
| 11:20.58 | petemc | commonly known as angst |
| 11:20.59 | nvz | thats how I ended up back in here trying to solve other peoples problems |
| 11:21.01 | petemc | it passes |
| 11:21.01 | gg | My subconscious had been annoying me to death lately though |
| 11:21.32 | nvz | I swear if I didnt have #debian I don't know what I'd do.. I find such comfort in comming in here and solving simpler problems |
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| 11:21.34 | gg | It just doesnt do what I want it to do when I am part of situations |
| 11:21.50 | nvz | Caelum: you really gotta respect the BTS my friend |
| 11:21.56 | Caelum | yeah, I do :) |
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| 11:22.12 | SerajewelKS | nvz: that's how i feel about #mono most of the time |
| 11:22.23 | gg | Maybe we should connect our minds together |
| 11:22.32 | FunctorSalad | how? |
| 11:22.36 | SerajewelKS | gg: neural SMP! |
| 11:22.38 | gg | and become a multi-core super computer |
| 11:23.04 | gg | You know, this is like minority report |
| 11:23.20 | SerajewelKS | or a multi-core computer that can't do shit because it can't make up any of its four minds what it wants for lunch |
| 11:23.32 | Kamping_Kaiser | SerajewelKS, so an intel? ;p |
| 11:23.38 | gg | deadlock? |
| 11:23.50 | nvz | you mean like port open-mosix to the human mind? |
| 11:24.00 | doomster | time for wide adoption of USB (Universal Spinal Bus) |
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| 11:24.16 | nvz | hah |
| 11:24.29 | FunctorSalad | I think I'd just try to figure out a way to modify my mood... :) |
| 11:24.33 | gg | maybe if we put our brains in a bucket they'll grow together |
| 11:24.34 | enouf | ass dongle ftw |
| 11:24.35 | SerajewelKS | time for fucking sleep |
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| 11:24.39 | SerajewelKS | it's 6:30am ffs |
| 11:24.43 | nvz | I was thinking breakfast |
| 11:24.44 | petemc | no its not |
| 11:24.48 | gg | FunctorSalad: music |
| 11:24.50 | nvz | its only 6:24 |
| 11:25.00 | FunctorSalad | gg: good point :) |
| 11:25.01 | petemc | 11:24 < SerajewelKS> it's 6:30am ffs |
| 11:25.05 | SerajewelKS | and i have church in 3:30 |
| 11:25.12 | SerajewelKS | and i haven't slept |
| 11:25.16 | petemc | time to start repenting |
| 11:25.25 | SerajewelKS | petemc: for? |
| 11:25.31 | petemc | your sins |
| 11:25.46 | enouf | take the blue pill |
| 11:25.47 | SerajewelKS | petemc: oh, i assumed you had one in particular in mind |
| 11:26.00 | nvz | if I'm agnostic do I even have sins ? |
| 11:26.14 | petemc | as yet undecided |
| 11:26.37 | riverrun | is lack of faith a sin? |
| 11:26.41 | petemc | yes |
| 11:26.44 | SerajewelKS | nvz: i've heard it said that a dyslexic agnostic insomniac is someone who can't sleep at night because they aren't sure if there's a dog |
| 11:26.49 | gg | you can train your mood triggering FunctorSalad |
| 11:26.53 | nvz | SerajewelKS: haha |
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| 11:27.22 | SerajewelKS | stream of conciousness ftw |
| 11:27.28 | SerajewelKS | later folks |
| 11:27.33 | FunctorSalad | night SerajewelKS |
| 11:27.58 | FunctorSalad | gg: not sure to what degree that's possible... |
| 11:27.59 | petemc | harmonize your chakra before sleeping |
| 11:28.15 | nvz | I think agnostic most closely matches my beliefs that I believe there is something, but its beyond our comprehension and furthermore why do we need to understand, are we trying to learn how the universe was created? the meaning of life? shit if we did that, there would be a universe creation for dummies book, and everyone would be doing it |
| 11:28.35 | enouf | man wants to be god |
| 11:28.40 | petemc | what we know is that theres a lot we dont know |
| 11:28.43 | nvz | I think thats insane |
| 11:29.04 | nvz | I mean I love to think, but I don't waste my thought cycles on those kinds of things |
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| 11:29.32 | FunctorSalad | "meaning" is not the sort of word that can be applied to "life". next question? (kidding, I don't really want to start a debate on this ;)) |
| 11:29.38 | nvz | I have a grasp on fundamental priorities of life, faith, love, work.. believe in something, care about something, work at something, you will have something.. |
| 11:29.40 | petemc | nvz: meditate on inevitable death |
| 11:29.51 | nvz | you can apply just about any religion on the planet to that simple philosophy |
| 11:30.02 | nvz | and not have to waste all the time studying and worshiping |
| 11:30.42 | Airbottle | hey, i want to copy some files to an audio player, but it doesnt work because my pc thinks there is no space on the audio player, but i removed everything, so there must be place, can i force my pc to copy it? |
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| 11:30.52 | gg | I think I am agnostic as well |
| 11:30.58 | nvz | Airbottle: you can be more specific |
| 11:31.01 | nvz | for one thing |
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| 11:31.05 | petemc | Airbottle: did you remove it via a gui? there could be a .trash folder |
| 11:31.26 | Airbottle | yes i did petemc, i'll have a look |
| 11:32.05 | gg | Maybe I need to remove my morality |
| 11:32.13 | petemc | no, you need that |
| 11:32.15 | Airbottle | ok, that was the problem, thanks petemc :) |
| 11:32.17 | gg | Why? |
| 11:32.19 | petemc | np |
| 11:32.50 | petemc | i cant say why, you just do |
| 11:33.06 | reZo | if i have two sound cards, how do i set the default one? |
| 11:33.07 | gg | But why? :-P |
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| 11:33.39 | cahoot | reZo: asoundconf *should* be able to do it |
| 11:33.46 | reZo | :) |
| 11:33.55 | Caelum | reZo: echo "options snd-whatever index=0" > /etc/modprobe.d/sound-cards |
| 11:34.12 | gg | nvz: Is your brain going opensource anytime soon? |
| 11:34.38 | nvz | SHODAN of course being the Sentient Hyper-Optimized Data Access Network ;) |
| 11:34.41 | liable | you dont want to read that code! |
| 11:34.49 | nvz | heh |
| 11:34.57 | nvz | I'd like to read that code |
| 11:35.02 | gg | Yeah that would be an interesting project |
| 11:35.04 | nvz | it's probably in COBOL |
| 11:35.09 | gg | Trying to code your own mind |
| 11:35.09 | nvz | heh |
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| 11:35.13 | liable | perl |
| 11:35.17 | petemc | more likely brainfuck |
| 11:35.21 | nvz | haha |
| 11:35.51 | nvz | which one is brainfuck the one that is all like + and - |
| 11:35.55 | petemc | yeah |
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| 11:36.29 | nvz | some people probably have it coded in whitespace |
| 11:36.39 | nvz | those are the airheads |
| 11:36.40 | petemc | form is emptiness |
| 11:37.04 | enouf | reZo: http://alsa.opensrc.org/.asoundrc (for examples) |
| 11:37.39 | gg | Problem would be to compile that source back into your brain |
| 11:37.58 | nvz | Man I was just joking a few weeks ago when I mentioned the 1100 Step Program for computer addicts, but after this conversation.. I think I'm really on to something |
| 11:38.00 | petemc | its interpreted |
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| 11:38.28 | zepard | is there a problem with packages.debian.org |
| 11:38.29 | nvz | a support group might be a good idea |
| 11:38.31 | gg | You have to account for the fact that as soon as the person reads the code it changes |
| 11:38.45 | petemc | self modifying code, possible with perl |
| 11:38.46 | zepard | it doesn't seems to respond |
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| 11:39.08 | zepard | at least on iceweasl |
| 11:39.14 | nvz | zepard: its responding to pings |
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| 11:39.28 | zepard | yes ping works |
| 11:39.33 | zepard | traceroute too |
| 11:39.34 | nvz | loaded it in IE |
| 11:39.40 | petemc | doesnt work for me on camino |
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| 11:39.43 | petemc | failed to connect |
| 11:39.52 | spx2 | I want to take an ethernet interface down in /etc/network intefaces.I have tried and read about all the forums on google about this.I can't find any way.Some mailing list on ubuntu suggests I should write a script for this and have it called from /etc/network/interfaces.Can someone help me please ? |
| 11:39.54 | enouf | mines in cache |
| 11:39.57 | nvz | loaded it in links2 |
| 11:40.11 | nvz | loaded in Firefox |
| 11:40.12 | enouf | links2 ftw |
| 11:40.21 | enouf | firepoop |
| 11:40.44 | gg | I think we need to get some shrinks in this channel |
| 11:40.45 | zepard | it works now |
| 11:40.50 | nvz | spx2: ifdown takes an interface down |
| 11:40.51 | enouf | ifdown eth0 |
| 11:40.57 | dutchfish | !sunday |
| 11:40.57 | dpkg | Sunday is the day all trolls swarm to #debian, avoid at all cost to remain sane. |
| 11:41.18 | gg | Too late on the sane bit |
| 11:41.20 | petemc | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:41.26 | spx2 | nvz enouf Ive tried writing that in /etc/network/interfaces and got an error when restarted the netwroking daemon |
| 11:41.27 | petemc | </alan partridge> |
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| 11:41.31 | gg | I thought nvz wasnt a troll |
| 11:41.46 | nvz | sunday doesn't matter its holiday season, all the kiddies are off from sk00l |
| 11:41.46 | zepard | what do you call troll |
| 11:41.48 | humbolto | how is that now? xen 3.0.3 does not even support 64bit PV guests on a 64bit host? Only HVM? |
| 11:41.57 | enouf | you don't "tried writing that in /etc/network/interfaces" |
| 11:41.59 | nvz | zepard: /msg dpkg troll |
| 11:42.13 | gg | I thought you need to flame trolls |
| 11:42.19 | nvz | spx2: you run that command on the command line |
| 11:42.20 | spx2 | enouf, ok,what do I do then ? |
| 11:42.20 | petemc | humbolto: its worth upgraqding to 3.1 |
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| 11:42.27 | enouf | type it |
| 11:42.31 | spx2 | nvz, I want it to run automatically |
| 11:42.36 | nvz | spx2: if you want to stop an interface from loading automatically, take out the auto line |
| 11:42.45 | spx2 | enouf, I don't have time to write it every time my system boots up,it must be run automatically |
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| 11:42.50 | nvz | spx2: you can't automatically bring an interface down |
| 11:42.54 | spx2 | nvz, oh ok |
| 11:42.57 | enouf | why would you need to? |
| 11:43.01 | zepard | ok see you dudes |
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| 11:43.04 | nvz | spx2: you can only automatically make it come up |
| 11:43.05 | Caelum | spx2: man 5 interfaces |
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| 11:43.24 | enouf | !tell spx2 about z25 |
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| 11:43.33 | humbolto | petemc: Is it true what I was suggesting? |
| 11:44.01 | spx2 | Caelum, ok |
| 11:44.33 | enouf | !tell spx2 -about interfaces |
| 11:44.43 | spx2 | enouf, I know about z25 and I don't need that |
| 11:45.29 | humbolto | Looks like xen 3.1 is in backports now. Great!!! |
| 11:46.09 | gg | ok so I still dont know how to install battery acpi for my laptop |
| 11:46.17 | petemc | humbolto: not sure, i dont do 64bit - but i do recall something pertaining to that being fixed in 3.1 |
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| 11:47.40 | enouf | http://kernelnewbies.org/Linux_2_6_23#head-a3c643f98e3ed4fc667c0799c8440595f19327b5 |
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| 11:48.01 | dutchfish | humbolto, tried to compile 3.1 in etch with 2.6.18-5 yesterday however it crashed on some funny perl errors |
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| 11:49.31 | DawnLight_ | i'm using gparted to resize a partition but it tells me it cannot because /dev/sda1 resource is busy. i'm using knoppix and i know it's not debian but anyway, can anyone suggest why it would be busy? |
| 11:49.48 | enouf | swap |
| 11:49.53 | spx2 | !tell spx2 -about xen |
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| 11:50.05 | itchi | DawnLight_: Black magic automounting? swap? |
| 11:50.53 | DawnLight_ | itchi: it isn't mounted, i can tell via mtab. swap is off |
| 11:51.08 | dutchfish | humbolto, like this: http://buildd.debian.org/fetch.cgi?pkg=xen-3;ver=3.1.2-1;arch=i386;stamp=1195913582 |
| 11:51.09 | itchi | DawnLight_: Play with lsof on it |
| 11:51.11 | enouf | spx2: fwiw - "/msg dpkg xen" works as well, without the channel line being made |
| 11:51.39 | enouf | mtab isn't reliable |
| 11:51.40 | DawnLight_ | there is one thing that i find odd. i have a /dev/mapper/nvidia_blahblah that seems to correspond to my HDD |
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| 11:51.45 | enouf | cat /proc/mounts |
| 11:52.00 | enouf | lol |
| 11:52.04 | DawnLight_ | what is this /dev/mapper? |
| 11:52.08 | enouf | LVM |
| 11:52.25 | enouf | or dmraid, or .. worse :-p |
| 11:52.26 | DawnLight_ | should it get in my way? |
| 11:52.39 | enouf | er yep |
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| 11:53.13 | DawnLight_ | any ideas on how to get rid of it? |
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| 11:53.29 | spx2 | gg, so you want to find battery for your laptop from console or what ? I've done that |
| 11:53.31 | DawnLight_ | why is lvm even there? |
| 11:53.53 | spx2 | gg, cat /proc/acpi/battery/BAT0/info |
| 11:53.57 | enouf | DawnLight_: pastebin output of fdisk -l |
| 11:54.28 | DawnLight_ | enouf: i'm not in knoppix right now, for some reason it didn't resolve names |
| 11:54.52 | DawnLight_ | i'll try to fix that and get back here... |
| 11:54.59 | DawnLight_ | bah |
| 11:55.26 | enouf | doesn't matter what you're in so long as it's linux |
| 11:55.27 | kryptoz_ | hi guys is there tool to test udp connectivity ? |
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| 11:55.56 | dutchfish | kryptoz_, wireshark tcpdump? |
| 11:56.00 | enouf | kryptoz_: nmap - not sure of the option for udp only ... |
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| 11:57.17 | petemc | -sU |
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| 11:57.27 | enouf | netstat has a -u '-tunap' (is what i usually use - but local only) |
| 11:57.35 | enouf | figures |
| 11:58.14 | enouf | $ nmap -P0 -p1-65535 -sV x |
| 11:58.17 | enouf | bah |
| 11:58.34 | liable | humbug |
| 11:58.39 | enouf | $ nmap -P0 -p1-65535 -sV x.x.x.x is what i usually use for port scanning/probing |
| 11:58.48 | petemc | why do you need to stop icmp? |
| 11:59.07 | enouf | who, me? |
| 11:59.10 | petemc | aye |
| 11:59.12 | petemc | or specify ports? |
| 11:59.27 | enouf | er, didn't know i was - but icmp stinks anyway ;-) |
| 11:59.41 | b0ha | if i choose at the instalation to install web server |
| 11:59.43 | petemc | it has its uses |
| 11:59.53 | b0ha | what things does this install |
| 11:59.55 | enouf | yeah, not for me ;-) |
| 12:00.09 | clamiax | I wondering how could be the name of the option that allow to returns the objects accordingly with the user ID (as for ps(1), netstat(1), etc.). Does anyone have an idea? |
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| 12:00.14 | itchi | petemc: It's to be used to stinks :-p |
| 12:00.26 | petemc | oh right |
| 12:00.29 | enouf | b0ha: tasksel --list-packages web-server |
| 12:00.37 | enouf | or similar - man tasksel |
| 12:00.43 | petemc | clamiax: parse error |
| 12:00.52 | petemc | getent? |
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| 12:01.21 | clamiax | petemc: eh? |
| 12:01.30 | petemc | seems we're both confused |
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| 12:01.45 | enouf | b0ha: it's tasksel --task-packages web-server |
| 12:01.45 | petemc | id -u ? |
| 12:01.58 | clamiax | petemc: i guess you are confused alone ;-P |
| 12:02.19 | petemc | yes, your question made perfect sense, i must be stupid |
| 12:02.32 | b0ha | enouf, it shows me nothing |
| 12:02.43 | enouf | that's nice - try debian sometime ;-) |
| 12:03.13 | enouf | $ tasksel --task-packages web-server | xargs echo |
| 12:03.13 | enouf | libapache2-mod-python apache2-doc libapache2-mod-php5 libapache2-mod-perl2 apache2-mpm-prefork analog |
| 12:03.29 | b0ha | o thank you :) |
| 12:03.35 | clamiax | petemc: i'm sure you are not so stupid since you are a GNU/Linux user but i'm also sure that you don't know what i was asking |
| 12:03.39 | enouf | (i likely need an update though) |
| 12:03.54 | petemc | clamiax: i sure dont |
| 12:03.56 | clamiax | petemc: i'll wait for a more experienced user reply. THX |
| 12:04.01 | petemc | np |
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| 12:04.24 | petemc | you could msg the helper bot, wols |
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| 12:05.01 | dpkg | Debian Package/File/Desc Search of '^bin/whois' returned no results. |
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| 12:05.25 | hoxu | clamiax, I think petemc meant to ask "what the heck are you trying to do?" |
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| 12:06.13 | clamiax | hoxu: ok.. |
| 12:06.23 | hoxu | clamiax, so, what the heck are you trying to do? |
| 12:06.36 | clamiax | Non technically i want to prevents other users to see my processes and vice-versa |
| 12:07.02 | clamiax | but i don't find the name of the relevant sysctl option. |
| 12:07.06 | enouf | omg - see vserver, or uml :-P |
| 12:07.10 | hoxu | selinux perhaps? |
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| 12:07.16 | hoxu | or what was it... I forgot |
| 12:07.55 | clamiax | nfc |
| 12:08.02 | Cr3ature | how do i mount everything that is in my /etc/fstab |
| 12:08.11 | dutchfish | mount -a |
| 12:08.16 | Cr3ature | thanks |
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| 12:09.50 | kryptoz_ | enouf: sorry for not explaning my problem correctly. I have a server which needs to run a udp server and when I try connect some client from another machine from a different network, I wanted to see what is the source IP of the packet reaching the client back. |
| 12:10.10 | kryptoz_ | So was wondering if I can use netcat or something else to accomplish this |
| 12:10.29 | kryptoz_ | I wanted the server to reply back to the client and verify the source IP. |
| 12:10.32 | petemc | iptraf will show current connections |
| 12:10.48 | dutchfish | iftop is another one |
| 12:10.58 | petemc | netstat being ayet another |
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| 12:12.06 | petemc | gah, second a |
| 12:12.33 | petemc | perl6 allows s/2a// |
| 12:12.57 | hoxu | petemc, does it also allow shooting your own leg with just thinking about it? |
| 12:13.06 | petemc | absolutely |
| 12:13.13 | petemc | wouldnt be perl if it didnt |
| 12:13.17 | hoxu | I'm thrilled |
| 12:13.26 | dutchfish | osi layer 8 |
| 12:13.46 | doomster | hmmm, even gnash 0.8 isn't capable of rendering any youtube pages, or at least youtube doesn't let it. Does anyone here actually use it for that? |
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| 12:15.04 | tiredbones | came someone tell me if etch is LSB 3.1 certified? |
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| 12:15.41 | Anj0LeGaL | debhelper \o/ |
| 12:15.45 | tiredbones | came/xan |
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| 12:15.56 | tiredbones | came/can |
| 12:16.13 | petemc | itym xan/can |
| 12:17.17 | petemc | i suspect thats not how you spell dyslexia |
| 12:17.26 | dutchfish | right |
| 12:17.35 | petemc | unless that was the joke |
| 12:18.05 | dutchfish | you surely can improve me on that |
| 12:18.16 | dutchfish | ;) |
| 12:18.18 | petemc | prehaps |
| 12:19.01 | petemc | geddit? |
| 12:19.03 | tiredbones | the answer to my question si? |
| 12:19.27 | petemc | try googling debian lsb |
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| 12:20.05 | tiredbones | i did. the post is old. |
| 12:20.20 | petemc | damn google with its outdated index |
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| 12:20.32 | petemc | or should that be indices |
| 12:20.56 | dutchfish | tiredbones, http://www.linux-watch.com/news/NS4876054750.html |
| 12:21.07 | tiredbones | thanks |
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| 12:25.23 | tiredbones | dutchfish, that said nothing on whether it is lsb 3.1 compliant. By the way, what is a dutchfish? |
| 12:25.55 | clamiax | I'd read all the sysctl options and, as far as i've understood, it's not possible on GNU/Linux (i hope someone con show me that i'm not right). I wondering if i need to have some support into the kernel; i didn't find nothing about, btw. |
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| 12:26.35 | dutchfish | tiredbones, sure, dutch = from the netherlands you can ask dpkg about fish, sorry i dont know more then that |
| 12:26.49 | dsl1464 | can i do an floppy netinstall if my network connects with pppoeconf |
| 12:27.12 | petemc | fish dont have feet |
| 12:27.19 | dutchfish | !fish |
| 12:27.19 | dpkg | "Give a man a fish and you'll feed him a day. Teach him how to fish and he'll feed himself for the rest of his life." This is so appropriate. Instead of asking us to tell you exactly what to do, ask us which docs to read, read them, then come back and ask specific questions which aren't covered. |
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| 12:27.44 | dsl1464 | or is it limited to direct dhcp or static ip only? |
| 12:28.32 | dsl1464 | i'm trying to but it on old box wich doesn't have cd-rom |
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| 12:29.09 | petemc | business card install doesnt do pppoe, i would guess floppies dont either |
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| 12:30.12 | dsl1464 | ok, thanks, guess i have to think something different then |
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| 12:30.17 | dutchfish | tiredbones, and yes i studied Ichthyology |
| 12:30.17 | sarefo | how do i disable/enable networking? |
| 12:30.21 | petemc | s/guess/surmise/ |
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| 12:30.45 | tiredbones | dpkg, I am not asking you to tell me what to do, and I know how to fish. Where are the fish biting? |
| 12:30.46 | dpkg | tiredbones: what are you talking about? |
| 12:31.28 | sarefo | iirc it was rcnetwork on suse, but that's not working on lenny |
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| 12:31.44 | tiredbones | dpkg, I am simply ask if etch is lsb 3.1 compliant. |
| 12:31.44 | dpkg | tiredbones: what are you talking about? |
| 12:31.47 | petemc | theres a network script in /etc/init.d/ |
| 12:31.51 | sarefo | thx |
| 12:32.04 | petemc | which i dont use, ifdown ethN wfm |
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| 12:34.50 | tiredbones | thanks for your time dpkg. I hope you have a nice day : ) |
| 12:34.51 | dpkg | tiredbones: sure thing |
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| 12:37.02 | dutchfish | !lsb |
| 12:37.02 | dpkg | somebody said lsb was The Linux Standard Base, a set of guidelines which all linux distributions should follow to ensure compatability between them. More information can be found at http://www.linuxbase.org/, or very incomplete |
| 12:38.25 | tiredbones | dpkg, I knew you could do it. Merry Xmas. |
| 12:38.26 | dutchfish | tiredbones, http://www.linux-foundation.org/en/LSB_Distribution_Status |
| 12:39.14 | hoxu | tiredbones, please, if you want to hit on a bot, at least do it in private |
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| 12:39.33 | lowry | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:39.49 | hoxu | !tell lowry about etch->lenny |
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| 12:40.33 | lowry | ;-) thx |
| 12:40.33 | tiredbones | hoxu, that works both ways. |
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| 12:41.02 | hoxu | tiredbones, I think you lost me on that one |
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| 12:42.42 | bart416 | Does anybody have any clue how to get a wacom tablet to work? |
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| 12:43.23 | hoxu | bart416, I think you can just carry it by hand, if that's what you mean |
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| 12:43.57 | hoxu | !wacom |
| 12:43.57 | dpkg | wacom is probably 'man 4 wacom'; or /usr/doc/HOWTO/en-html/mini/Wacom-USB-mini-HOWTO.html; They are graphics tablets :), or for debian specific help check out http://www.i3s.unice.fr/~ol/success.html |
| 12:44.14 | bart416 | thanks |
| 12:44.14 | tiredbones | dutchfish, That is the info I was looking at. it says it planned, but that info is old and I was wondering if it had been done. |
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| 12:44.36 | dutchfish | tiredbones, as i already said, i dont know more about it |
| 12:44.53 | tiredbones | ok, thanks |
| 12:44.57 | bart416 | now to figure out how to click a link in irssi |
| 12:45.08 | dutchfish | tiredbones, actually i dont care either, debian is the most stable distro anyway |
| 12:45.22 | hoxu | bart416, depends on your terminal |
| 12:46.00 | bart416 | yeah, I figured that out |
| 12:46.09 | bart416 | I can work with irssi but gnome terminal doesn't like it for some reason |
| 12:46.13 | bart416 | so half the keys don't work |
| 12:46.18 | bart416 | and half the text is invisible |
| 12:46.47 | bart416 | going to try another terminal |
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| 12:47.53 | bart416 | mhhh |
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| 12:48.02 | bart416 | okay that didn't work |
| 12:48.09 | bart416 | !wacom |
| 12:48.09 | dpkg | wacom is probably 'man 4 wacom'; or /usr/doc/HOWTO/en-html/mini/Wacom-USB-mini-HOWTO.html; They are graphics tablets :), or for debian specific help check out http://www.i3s.unice.fr/~ol/success.html |
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| 12:51.28 | bart416 | mhhh, do you really have to build the kernel to get the wacom tablet support |
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| 12:52.29 | hoxu | bart416, the webpage speaks of installing one, not building |
| 12:52.38 | dutchfish | bart416, no, its in the kernel modules as far as i know |
| 12:52.52 | dutchfish | bart416, at least in 2.6.18-5 |
| 12:53.03 | HardDisk_WP | hey |
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| 12:53.24 | HardDisk_WP | must grubs /boot directory be present at /dev/sda1 or can it also be sda2 partition? |
| 12:53.29 | bart416 | well, it can't find dpkg-reconfigure |
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| 12:54.12 | hoxu | HardDisk_WP, does not need to be sda1 |
| 12:54.20 | dutchfish | HardDisk_WP, nope |
| 12:54.45 | HardDisk_WP | k |
| 12:55.06 | HardDisk_WP | if i move my existing partition from sda1 to sda2, what must I change? |
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| 12:56.18 | dutchfish | man grub-set-default |
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| 12:57.18 | hoxu | grub-install? |
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| 12:57.30 | dutchfish | hoxu, no |
| 12:57.52 | HardDisk_WP | :) |
| 12:57.52 | Cr3ature | why doesn't Backspace work in my Screen? |
| 12:57.54 | hoxu | dutchfish, how do you expect it to find menu.lst if it moves to another partition, without reinstalling? |
| 12:58.16 | hoxu | I haven't a clue, so please enlighten me :P |
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| 12:58.41 | dutchfish | hoxu, grub-set-default --root-directory=DIR |
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| 13:00.21 | nullvoid | hi all |
| 13:00.36 | nullvoid | I am trying to install my debian on my USB encrypted |
| 13:00.58 | nullvoid | I tried to follow 2 guides from the web and none of them work |
| 13:01.21 | nullvoid | I am stuck with errors when installing package in chroot |
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| 13:01.47 | nullvoid | any good link on installing debian on USB? |
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| 13:02.30 | hoxu | dutchfish, HardDisk_WP: right... I suppose you still need to edit menu.lst kopt |
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| 13:02.55 | bart416 | well lets just hope, compiling the package... |
| 13:02.56 | dutchfish | nullvoid, tried this? http://wiki.debian.org/DebianLive/Howto/USB |
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| 13:04.06 | mitziyahu | find: WARNING: Hard link count is wrong for /proc/1/task/1: this may be a bug in your filesystem driver. Automatically turning on find's -noleaf option. Earlier results may have failed to include directories that should have been searched. |
| 13:04.19 | mitziyahu | could this mean some serious trouble? |
| 13:04.39 | nullvoid | dutchfish: not yet |
| 13:04.43 | Skaag | my network cards come up with different names every boot... sometime my intel will be eth2 and sometimes my 3com will be eth2, with the other being eth3 |
| 13:04.55 | Skaag | is there a way to lock eth2, eth3, etc, to specific hardware? |
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| 13:05.18 | asg | Skaag: nameif though you should be able to do it with udev these days. |
| 13:05.19 | cahoot | !z25 |
| 13:05.19 | dpkg | z25 is probably as of version 0.090, udev has the ability to statically rename ethernet cards based on MAC address. The addresses are configured in /etc/udev/rules.d/z25_persistent-net.rules . If you want the mappings to change, edit that file. If you don't want udev to touch your interface names, remove that file and z45_persistent-net-generator.rules in the same directory. |
| 13:05.20 | dutchfish | hoxu, what about update-grub? |
| 13:05.21 | hoxu | mitziyahu, don't think so, just exclude /proc/ from find |
| 13:06.15 | hoxu | dutchfish, well, I meant the default kopt line that contains root=/dev/... - update-grub will update that to the actual entries, no? I admit I haven't twiddled with grub for a while :P |
| 13:06.17 | bart416 | can't you set the keypad to replace the functionality of a mouse in gnome? |
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| 13:06.39 | dutchfish | hoxu, fair enough |
| 13:06.44 | LoneTech | bart416: not a gnome feature, but try ctrl+alt+numlock. |
| 13:06.59 | LoneTech | sorry, ctrl+alt+shift+numlock. |
| 13:07.06 | nullvoid | dutchfish: where do I get the img from? |
| 13:07.15 | Skaag | cahoot: I don't have that file, I'll read the udev docs |
| 13:07.22 | LoneTech | erm, shift+numlock is apparently enough *embarrassed* |
| 13:07.32 | bart416 | well that works |
| 13:07.46 | bart416 | now I can at least use xchat O_o |
| 13:07.46 | dutchfish | nullvoid, you create yourself scissertailed to your needs |
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| 13:08.18 | dutchfish | nullvoid, see also: http://wiki.debian.org/DebianLive/BuildingImages |
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| 13:09.11 | dutchfish | nullvoid, use lenny or backports for this |
| 13:09.15 | bart416 | well this is already a bit better |
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| 13:10.08 | Ch0Hag | As of this morning, apt reports that security.debian.org's Release signature is invalid. |
| 13:10.25 | Ch0Hag | Is this known? |
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| 13:10.40 | nullvoid | dutchfish: what is $your_options ? |
| 13:10.47 | bart416 | !nvidia |
| 13:10.47 | dpkg | To use an NVIDIA graphics card with Debian, see http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers. If you've done it before, ask me about <nvidia one-liner> for a reminder. |
| 13:11.30 | hoxu | Ch0Hag, are you sure? |
| 13:11.38 | Ch0Hag | Yes. |
| 13:11.41 | dutchfish | nullvoid, start here http://wiki.debian.org/DebianLive you need to read a bit more to grasp it all, but its not that hard |
| 13:11.55 | hoxu | Ch0Hag, works for me (tm) |
| 13:12.03 | Ch0Hag | Let me delete possibly corrupted caches and try again. |
| 13:12.20 | dutchfish | nullvoid, lh_config is completely explained |
| 13:12.58 | dutchfish | nullvoid, there are examples too on that link |
| 13:13.26 | Ch0Hag | OK, that did it. Should have done that straight away. |
| 13:13.42 | Ch0Hag | But how did a corrupted Release file get saved without anything noticing? |
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| 13:13.58 | Ch0Hag | And why did I delete them instead of moving them elsewhere for analysis? |
| 13:14.39 | hoxu | Ch0Hag, are you using a proxy? |
| 13:15.31 | Ch0Hag | Yes. |
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| 13:16.07 | Ch0Hag | Is that bad? It hasn't been a problem before and this is a firewall from which outging connections are largely banned. |
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| 13:16.42 | nullvoid | dutchfish: I type lh_config but it seems I need to install something before can use this |
| 13:16.44 | hoxu | dunno, if it feeds garbage, I guess apt notices, as you noticed :P |
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| 13:17.29 | Ch0Hag | Well eventually, thanks to everything being signed these days. |
| 13:17.30 | dutchfish | nullvoid, hehe of coarse, if you are on etch use this http://wiki.debian.org/DebianLive/Backports |
| 13:17.56 | bart416 | urgh this is fucked up |
| 13:18.02 | bart416 | I can't even get it to pick the right kernel headers |
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| 13:18.05 | anabain | which config file is the X system using for controlling display? |
| 13:18.07 | bart416 | cause I don't even know what ones I should get |
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| 13:18.30 | ignotus | hello, I need some software to convert avi files to DVD, devede unfortunately doesn't work |
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| 13:20.26 | anabain | I mean, why it keeps working if I have removed xorg.conf (after rebooting, of course)? |
| 13:20.32 | dutchfish | nullvoid, after installing cdedbootstrap from backports you can apt-get install live-helper |
| 13:20.41 | itchi | anabain: A default config is used, on included in the xorg |
| 13:20.54 | mitziyahu | can i, programatically or not, get a list of active devices? |
| 13:20.57 | anabain | itchi, where? |
| 13:20.59 | mitziyahu | hard drive devices |
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| 13:21.12 | itchi | anabain: Somewhere compiled in the xorg bin i guess |
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| 13:21.47 | itchi | anabain: It just use some default values. Create a new xorg config file with dpkg-reconfigure xorg-server |
| 13:21.59 | bart416 | how do you install the correct kernel headers? |
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| 13:22.10 | anabain | then the prob is why I can't manage the X system to get changes on xorg.conf |
| 13:22.19 | itchi | anabain: Err dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg |
| 13:22.34 | itchi | anabain: Well, run that as root ^ |
| 13:22.39 | anabain | itchi, this way doesn't work |
| 13:22.57 | asg | anabain: in what way doesn't it work? |
| 13:22.57 | itchi | anabain: It should |
| 13:23.10 | itchi | anabain: Take also a look in the config file, the note on top |
| 13:23.11 | anabain | the script does not goes far enough to modify resolution values |
| 13:23.17 | anabain | ok |
| 13:23.18 | tuseroni | this is probably a basic linux question but i cant find any man pages on it. how would i run a command from within a command and have its output go to the first (the pipe opporator | doesnt seem to be working) |
| 13:23.27 | itchi | anabain: Well, because you choice not the right option in the interface |
| 13:23.46 | anabain | itchi, do you mean the driver? |
| 13:23.53 | itchi | anabain: After that |
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| 13:24.12 | dutchfish | !eval |
| 13:24.18 | anabain | PCI 0:0 |
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| 13:24.19 | itchi | anabain: I don't remember the option right now. And i'm unable to test right now |
| 13:24.23 | anabain | ok |
| 13:24.27 | tuseroni | im trying to make the commands "dir | grep _03" which will output only one entry to be the file entry for another program (like cp or mplayer) |
| 13:24.28 | itchi | I don't want to screw my RAID1 setup :-p |
| 13:24.32 | nullvoid | dutchfish: I already got the cdebootstrape |
| 13:24.33 | nullvoid | then |
| 13:25.06 | anabain | tuseroni, do you mean command1 `command2` , being `command2` the argument of command1? |
| 13:25.07 | hoxu | tuseroni, I don't understand what you are exactly trying to do |
| 13:25.27 | dutchfish | nullvoid, i am not gone walk through it all the way, just follow the manual, you can do it |
| 13:25.28 | itchi | tuseroni: Use "find" |
| 13:26.09 | tuseroni | well im trying to make it easier for me to run a file with a realy big name from command line without constantly doing "dir" then copying the file, and then putting it in |
| 13:26.16 | tuseroni | since all the files have a number |
| 13:26.42 | tuseroni | and its unique...dir | grep num will return that file |
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| 13:26.55 | itchi | tuseroni: find has a size argument too |
| 13:27.16 | tuseroni | now i want to take that returned string, and use it for the input to the program, in this case mplayer |
| 13:28.04 | tuseroni | so mplayer would be "mplayer options file" i want that string to be file |
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| 13:29.03 | anabain | tuseroni, have you understood what I said? |
| 13:29.06 | hoxu | tuseroni, gee, if it has an unique number, just use shell wildcards, eg. "foo 004*" |
| 13:29.36 | hoxu | !absg tuseroni |
| 13:29.36 | dpkg | tuseroni: abs-guide is the Advanced Bash-Scripting Guide to be found at http://www.tldp.org/guides.html#abs . It is also packaged, 'apt-get install abs-guide'. |
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| 13:30.51 | tuseroni | i....wow...tha....that actually works.....i thought the command itself had to allow wildcards |
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| 13:31.58 | sarefo | it looks like 'locate' is pretty much deprecated in lenny, right? |
| 13:32.09 | sarefo | any time i do an upgrade it's gone, and i need to reinstall it. |
| 13:32.28 | hoxu | tuseroni, I suggest going to your nearest library and seeing if they have any general bbooks about unix/linux, something like "unix for dummies" |
| 13:32.30 | sarefo | now, i guess there's a reason for this (probably security), so maybe there's an alternative to it that should be used now? |
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| 13:33.05 | tuseroni | yeah they dont have many books on unix or linux here |
| 13:33.06 | hoxu | tuseroni, you can also use tab completion for long filenames |
| 13:33.14 | tuseroni | im kinda....learning as i go |
| 13:33.27 | tuseroni | i tried that, but when i press tab it just beeps at me |
| 13:34.31 | dutchfish | tuseroni, google on LPI 101 for that |
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| 13:35.29 | dutchfish | tuseroni, you can also download it form ibm red books if you are sybscribed for free (the manuals) |
| 13:35.44 | Airbottle | you can use torrent sites to download unix books tuseroni |
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| 13:36.24 | dutchfish | Airbottle, that legal? |
| 13:36.37 | Airbottle | there are legal torrents about linux yes |
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| 13:37.27 | eth01 | !p2p |
| 13:37.27 | dpkg | i heard p2p is peer to peer. Power to the People |
| 13:37.31 | dutchfish | Airbottle, i loved those LPI 101 & 102 back then, they have so good examples on everything |
| 13:37.33 | tremby | is there some way to get find to find directories with a maximum number of files in them? |
| 13:37.53 | tuseroni | well thanks for the advice i appriciate it. |
| 13:38.00 | eth01 | appreciate * |
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| 13:40.28 | fiddle | Greetings chumps and chumpettes. |
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| 13:42.16 | dreamer | hi all, I was wondering: does rtorrent, from the standard repo, come with xmlrpc support? or is there a way I can find this out? |
| 13:42.27 | spldart | oOo oOo oOOo AH! AH! AH!! |
| 13:42.42 | spldart | Oh... 'chumps' not 'chimps' |
| 13:43.01 | tremby | dreamer: it didn't when i was setting it up a few months ago -- no idea if the current version does though. i had to build from source. |
| 13:43.09 | fiddle | No dice, my dear chump. |
| 13:43.23 | fiddle | http://pastebin.ca/829764 This is my sources.list file. Am I correct in saying that I have the contrib repositories enabled? |
| 13:43.26 | spldart | that's 'chimp' |
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| 13:43.28 | dreamer | tremby: hmm, I don't expect there has been many changes since then :P |
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| 13:43.41 | dreamer | I'll remove the repo rtorrent my friend installed and will compile from source |
| 13:43.45 | techouse | how do i mount an .iso file? |
| 13:43.45 | dreamer | thnx tremby :) |
| 13:44.18 | tremby | techouse: mount -t iso9660 pathtoiso mountpoint -o loop |
| 13:44.37 | tremby | dreamer: you're welcome |
| 13:44.38 | techouse | tnx |
| 13:44.41 | tremby | no prob |
| 13:44.56 | Airbottle | i dont know what repository you use dreamer, but the stable repositories have a very old version of rtorrent |
| 13:45.05 | Airbottle | better download the source from their website |
| 13:45.06 | dreamer | ok, well I run stable |
| 13:45.12 | tremby | yeah, i was using lenny when i tried it, and that was old too |
| 13:45.23 | dreamer | apt-get remove it is ;) |
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| 13:47.46 | gyuszk | hi, how much time should "dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/sda" last ? |
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| 13:48.00 | gyuszk | 160 gbyte sata harddisk |
| 13:48.18 | mitziyahu | hda1 is a partition right? |
| 13:48.30 | tremby | mitziyahu: yes, probably |
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| 13:49.14 | hoxu | gyuszk, you could test with a few hundred megabytes first to see yourself :P |
| 13:49.25 | gyuszk | hoxu, thanks |
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| 13:50.41 | frapzzt | hi |
| 13:51.09 | frapzzt | i cant do aptitude upgrade this is the failure http://nopaste.biz/24420 |
| 13:51.27 | hoxu | !localized errors |
| 13:51.27 | dpkg | it has been said that localized errors is it's generally a good idea to set your locale to english when you need to show error messages to someone else |
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| 13:52.22 | frapzzt | hoxu: how can i localize them ? |
| 13:53.04 | hoxu | frapzzt, try export LANG=en_US.UTF-8 before running the command |
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| 13:53.26 | qwaz | morning all |
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| 13:53.56 | frapzzt | ok this is the error http://nopaste.biz/24421 |
| 13:53.59 | techouse | with what app can i view a palm document file (.pdb extension)? |
| 13:54.22 | Kamping_Kaiser | !etch->lenny |
| 13:54.23 | dpkg | First, see <apt-listbugs>. Next, edit sources.list (# editor /etc/apt/sources.list), change all non-local mentions of 'etch' or 'stable' to 'lenny'. Save the file, then update and dist-upgrade. Also consider subscribing to debian-devel-announce (ask me about <d-d-a>) to be aware of what developments are happening. NOTE: you should be running a 2.6 kernel before trying to upgrade |
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| 13:54.54 | Kamping_Kaiser | (sorry about bot spam) |
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| 13:55.14 | hoxu | frapzzt, heh, looks like you don't have that locale... anyway, what version of debian is that? |
| 13:55.36 | frapzzt | i installed it in the morning with netinst and standard settings |
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| 13:56.07 | hoxu | frapzzt, /etc/debian_version is 4.0? |
| 13:56.34 | frapzzt | hoxu: yes |
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| 13:58.37 | hoxu | frapzzt, reinstall sudo before trying to delete it |
| 13:59.02 | frapzzt | hoxu: yes i tried the reinstall severeal times |
| 13:59.10 | hoxu | and...? |
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| 14:00.08 | frapzzt | http://nopaste.biz/24423 |
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| 14:02.14 | hoxu | O_o |
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| 14:02.30 | zap-clone | Hello. Are there any kde4 rc packages for testing? |
| 14:02.33 | hoxu | frapzzt, export LC_ALL=C btw, but how did this happen anyway? |
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| 14:04.42 | hoxu | frapzzt, try moving /etc/init.d/sudo away and replace it with an empty script? |
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| 14:05.26 | frapzzt | hoxu: ye that works thx |
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| 14:07.24 | DustyDingo | hi, i installed xserver-xorg and fluxbox, but running the xserver fails because it can't load fonts (many statements and one error that it can't load 'fixed') |
| 14:07.49 | sarefo | i want to build a kernel module, and installed linux-source-2.6.22 (which is 22-6 apparently). my lenny system has kernel 22-3, and the module code complains that the two are different versions. what can i do? |
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| 14:07.58 | DustyDingo | i have a very poor connection and must save any MB i can, so what is the package i need? |
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| 14:08.17 | sarefo | specifically, it says i have 2.6.22 as headers, and 2.6.22-3-486 as kernel |
| 14:08.33 | DustyDingo | ( i am running etch) |
| 14:09.29 | expose | Where can I find a pkg which includes the standalone adobe flash player |
| 14:10.03 | sarefo | expose: do you know this exists? |
| 14:10.22 | expose | Sure, I just dont know wether there is a deb for it. |
| 14:10.26 | sarefo | sounds like some proprietary stuff only available from adobe |
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| 14:11.00 | expose | well, not more proprietary than flashplugin-nonfree out of debian.org contrib |
| 14:11.35 | enouf | DustyDingo: make sure these are installed http://pastebin.ca/raw/829787 |
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| 14:12.22 | sarefo | another thing about the kernel problem: when i just install the linux source, the module complains that i have never compiled a kernel. |
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| 14:12.48 | sarefo | for some reason 'make menuconfig' and 'make xconfig' will crash, and 'make config' takes *forever* to press <return> on every option. |
| 14:12.57 | sarefo | isn't there an easier way to do this? |
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| 14:14.27 | enouf | DustyDingo: then when you reconfigure xorg, set font server to be unix:/7100 (or similar) - i have this line http://pastebin.ca/raw/829792 |
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| 14:15.38 | bart416 | !wacom |
| 14:15.38 | dpkg | i heard wacom is 'man 4 wacom'; or /usr/doc/HOWTO/en-html/mini/Wacom-USB-mini-HOWTO.html; They are graphics tablets :), or for debian specific help check out http://www.i3s.unice.fr/~ol/success.html |
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| 14:16.01 | Cristiano-RS | !pf |
| 14:16.01 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, pf is pink floyd, or a BSD packet filter (not related to Pink Floyd), or http://www.openbsd.org/faq/pf/index.html |
| 14:16.27 | enouf | DustyDingo: you'll have different versions likely, i'm not on etch, per se |
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| 14:17.20 | DustyDingo | enouf:i lack most of this packages anyway |
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| 14:18.18 | enouf | DustyDingo: just saying, pkgnames are more important than versions, as far as you're concerned, rin apt-get update prior, is smart |
| 14:18.28 | enouf | s/rin/run |
| 14:19.06 | enouf | DustyDingo: also this you may want/have "xbase-clients" |
| 14:20.22 | enouf | (though that one IIRC, is dependent upon xorg) 0 maybe you only installed xserver-xorg-core only? |
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| 14:24.28 | DustyDingo | enouf: i installed xserver-xorg, maybe its not a dep. because you could run it with different fonts |
| 14:24.56 | DustyDingo | but thanks, i got working with those fonts |
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| 14:28.07 | Ronin | makes my chicken for two seem not worthy, course its a birthday dinner not a christmas thing |
| 14:28.10 | Ronin | shit |
| 14:28.26 | Ronin | damn fingers |
| 14:28.31 | asg | Ronin: ECHAN? |
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| 14:29.45 | Ronin | not sure how i managed to change to #debian on that one heh |
| 14:30.21 | boodie | Hello; how comes nspluginwrapper hasn't been packaged for debian, officially? |
| 14:31.02 | enouf | DustyDingo: ok |
| 14:31.46 | enouf | DustyDingo: i saw things like /etc/X11/xinitrc and such - but i recall now, more than one pkg has those files |
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| 14:33.35 | XoX | debian stock kernel dosent have a problem using nic drivers compiled for previous version of the same kernel before update right? |
| 14:33.41 | DavoDinkum | ive been told to ask about the factoid for 'vlc missing in testing'. |
| 14:33.56 | DavoDinkum | VLC doesnt show up when i search for it |
| 14:34.58 | DavoDinkum | what is this and how can i get VLC? |
| 14:34.59 | tremby | i'm told when i try to unrar-free certain rar files that they won't work because they're too new and i need to use unrar instead of unrar-free. but unrar doesn't seem to be in the repo (lenny). where is it? |
| 14:35.14 | hoxu | tremby, non-free |
| 14:35.53 | hoxu | !tell tremby about non-free sources |
| 14:35.55 | tremby | oh i've heard of that before -- do i just add it next to "main" on the deb lines? |
| 14:35.59 | tremby | ta |
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| 14:36.36 | XoX | in what cases do i need to recompile a kernel driver after a kernel-image security update? |
| 14:37.31 | limaunion | DavoDinkum: check http://packages.qa.debian.org/v/vlc.html |
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| 14:38.08 | efeferg | hijay, can someone tell me a good SFTPclient? |
| 14:38.33 | dreamer | tremby: hey, i'm having trouble compiling libtorrent, after ./configure there is no make file, any idea show I could resolve this? |
| 14:38.38 | hoxu | efeferg, lftp? |
| 14:38.55 | minus | hoxu, Ok, I'll try it out |
| 14:39.02 | tremby | dreamer: hmm, it was a long time ago when i did it. i remember just following the build instructions in the docs |
| 14:39.13 | dreamer | hmmm, not working here :/ |
| 14:39.21 | expose | Which tool can show all installed packages? |
| 14:39.30 | hoxu | !installed |
| 14:39.30 | dpkg | To list installed packages, COLUMNS=200 dpkg -l |awk '/^[hi]i/{print $2}'; man dpkg; man grep; man awk; If you use aptitude, try aptitude search -F '%100p' '~i!~M'; |
| 14:40.08 | expose | Ah. So that's long for "there is none, use the shell" :-) |
| 14:40.36 | hoxu | expose, no, it's an elitist way of saying "dpkg -l and use your eyes" |
| 14:41.01 | expose | :-) |
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| 14:41.29 | bart416 | !wacom |
| 14:41.29 | dpkg | somebody said wacom was 'man 4 wacom'; or /usr/doc/HOWTO/en-html/mini/Wacom-USB-mini-HOWTO.html; They are graphics tablets :), or for debian specific help check out http://www.i3s.unice.fr/~ol/success.html |
| 14:41.39 | blazemonger | does anyone know what causes scrollkeeper parser errors? |
| 14:41.53 | minus | hoxu, `ls' at 0 [FEAT negotiation...] <-- It gets stuck like that when I have connected and do an: "ls" |
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| 14:42.06 | hoxu | bart416, you can use /query dpkg |
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| 14:42.38 | bart416 | hoxu, yeah |
| 14:42.42 | hoxu | minus, are you sure it's trying sftp, not ftp? |
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| 14:42.46 | DavoDinkum | Thanks limaunion |
| 14:43.00 | bart416 | Needed to grab it quick, still trying to get this to work but dpkg-reconfigure complains the kernel headers aren't there or are wrong |
| 14:43.00 | minus | hoxu, No.. I'm not 100% sure.. |
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| 14:43.13 | minus | hoxu, is there a special command to order it to sftp? |
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| 14:45.10 | hoxu | minus, don't remember, try sftp:// ssh:// or something |
| 14:45.28 | minus | ok |
| 14:45.29 | sarefo | it seems that apt has filled my root partition with .deb files. is it safe to delete them from the /var/cache/apt/archives dir, or should i use some command for it? |
| 14:45.42 | asg | sarefo: apt-get clean |
| 14:45.44 | hoxu | sarefo, apt-get clean |
| 14:45.46 | sarefo | thx |
| 14:45.53 | minus | hoxu, That solved it! Thank you! :D |
| 14:46.47 | XoX | is there a tool to convert an rpm to cpio |
| 14:46.53 | abrotman | alien maybe |
| 14:47.46 | dvs | abrotman: hey! |
| 14:47.54 | abrotman | hi |
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| 14:48.21 | abrotman | dvs: it's cold today! |
| 14:48.42 | dvs | abrotman: it's warm here (45F) but very rainy |
| 14:49.00 | dvs | and I forgot to buy Xmas tags! |
| 14:49.00 | minus | dvs, where are you from? |
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| 14:49.07 | abrotman | dvs: i think it's -10F with the windchill and up to 6-8 inches of snow |
| 14:49.10 | dvs | minus: Toronto |
| 14:49.15 | dvs | abrotman: ouch! |
| 14:49.15 | minus | Cool :) |
| 14:49.26 | nullvoid | can I use this in my fstab LABEL=mybox /boot ext2 defaults,noatime 0 2 |
| 14:49.30 | abrotman | dvs: how do people live like this?! |
| 14:49.35 | minus | abrotman, Lucky you! |
| 14:49.41 | stew | !find rpm2cpio etch |
| 14:49.44 | abrotman | minus: lucky? |
| 14:49.44 | dvs | abrotman: just don't move to Alaska |
| 14:49.46 | minus | abrotman, I wish I lived at your place! |
| 14:49.47 | nullvoid | after e2label /dev/sdb1 > |
| 14:49.48 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'rpm2cpio' (1): (/usr/bin/rpm2cpio, /usr/lib/rpm/rpm2cpio.sh) in admin/rpm. |
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| 14:49.53 | stew | XoX: ^^ |
| 14:49.54 | dvs | nullvoid: o_O |
| 14:50.02 | RichiH | any suggestions on an usb infrared receiver and a good remote to go along with it? |
| 14:50.04 | abrotman | dvs: i'm in WI .. close enough |
| 14:50.08 | minus | abrotman, Yeah, snow and low temperatures are awesome! :D |
| 14:50.09 | abrotman | minus: it's freezing |
| 14:50.18 | minus | abrotman, Yeah, and thats awesome! :D |
| 14:50.19 | dvs | abrotman: Oh? no more PA? |
| 14:50.20 | nullvoid | dvs:? |
| 14:50.26 | abrotman | dvs: not til wednesday :) |
| 14:50.31 | dvs | nullvoid: oops. wrong person soory |
| 14:50.37 | dvs | abrotman: OIC. |
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| 14:50.44 | XoX | can i have module-assistant automatically recompile a nic driver everytime there is a kernel security update? |
| 14:50.55 | nullvoid | I am getting mount: special device LABEL=mybox does not exist |
| 14:51.11 | stew | XoX: no, but someone should add this feature |
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| 14:51.19 | nullvoid | even I had e2label /dev/sdb1 mybox |
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| 14:51.46 | Airbottl1 | !BSD kernel |
| 14:51.50 | abrotman | stew: couldn't he use a post-hook ? |
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| 14:51.52 | sarefo | still trying to build kernel modules... now it tells me it needs gcc 4.1.3, while i have 4.2.3; as it seems i cannot just install both (apt-get won't let me), is there a different solution to this? |
| 14:52.07 | abrotman | erm .. postinst_hook |
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| 14:53.34 | dvs | sarefo: apt-get should let you install both but only one can be called "gcc" |
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| 14:53.58 | nullvoid | I am stucked at step 11 http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/179 |
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| 14:55.04 | dvs | nullvoid: what module do you want? |
| 14:55.34 | XoX | abrotman: postinst_hook is in the kernel image package itself no? |
| 14:55.47 | nullvoid | dvs: module? |
| 14:56.05 | dvs | shit! I did it again! |
| 14:56.07 | dvs | sorry |
| 14:56.08 | abrotman | XoX: /etc/kernel-img.conf |
| 14:56.16 | dvs | sarefo: what module do you need |
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| 14:57.25 | pmjdebruijn | hi, I'm trying to install serendipity combined with postgresql, however, somehow apt want to install mysql-client as well |
| 14:57.47 | pmjdebruijn | is it possible to display a dependancy tree, so I can check which package depends on the mysql packages |
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| 14:58.13 | abrotman | apt-cache rdepends |
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| 14:58.37 | pmjdebruijn | abrotman: no not reversed |
| 14:58.46 | pmjdebruijn | I haven't installed serendipity yet |
| 14:58.49 | DawnLight_ | hello. anyone knows a mount/fstab tutorial/howto? |
| 14:58.56 | pmjdebruijn | I'd like to see why it's pulling in mysql stuff |
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| 14:59.41 | abrotman | DawnLight_: man ? |
| 15:00.26 | DawnLight_ | blash |
| 15:00.31 | DawnLight_ | blah* |
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| 15:00.43 | DawnLight_ | i think it is pmount i need |
| 15:00.51 | jelly-home | nullvoid: Re LABEL=... dumpe2fs -h /dev/sdb1 | grep 'volume name' --> does it show the label you want? |
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| 15:01.26 | white_eagle | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:01.38 | white_eagle | sorry |
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| 15:03.24 | spx2 | whats kded ? |
| 15:03.27 | spx2 | and whats it good for ? |
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| 15:03.37 | spx2 | I see it takes 97% of my cpu now |
| 15:03.39 | spx2 | and I can't find a good explanation for not killing it |
| 15:03.45 | pmjdebruijn | oh wait I see |
| 15:03.51 | dvs | !info kded stable |
| 15:03.51 | sarefo | spx2: probably runs kde? |
| 15:04.00 | pmjdebruijn | serendipity depends on postgresql-client not postgresql-client-8.1 |
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| 15:04.17 | spx2 | sarefo: no , rly , what does it do ? |
| 15:04.19 | sarefo | i guess there's no good reason, except, well, if you're running kde :) |
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| 15:04.42 | spx2 | pmjdebruijn: are you debruijn on sci.math ? |
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| 15:06.26 | sarefo | spx2: i *think* you can try to kill it and see what it does, iirc it will not take down you kde session (but don't take my word on this). |
| 15:06.36 | sarefo | if you see you *do* need it, just restart it. |
| 15:06.38 | abrotman | or ask #debian-kde! :) |
| 15:06.45 | abrotman | though that might not help |
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| 15:10.05 | ManuP | hi. i tared my home-dir but tar gave the error, that a file has changed and aborted. does this mean, not all files ware tared? |
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| 15:10.59 | soczol | why is it exactly that some packages are 'kept back', at apt-get? |
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| 15:11.44 | asg | soczol: /msg dpkg kept back |
| 15:11.54 | Eclipser | !tell soczol -about kept back |
| 15:11.59 | soczol | nothing |
| 15:11.59 | soczol | ;d |
| 15:12.04 | Eclipser | hm |
| 15:12.04 | pmjdebruijn | spx2: erh, I don't think so why? |
| 15:12.24 | asg | bah, the bot's gone schizo again |
| 15:12.32 | soczol | ;p |
| 15:12.36 | nkuttler | ~kept back |
| 15:12.37 | apt | kept back is probably when packages have not been upgraded, even though newer versions are available, because it cannot resolve dependenices for the newer version, or when you told it to hold packages, or when you used "upgrade" instead of "dist-upgrade", or the safest way to resolve this is perhaps to 'apt-get install <kept-package>' and it will resolve stuff ... |
| 15:12.52 | DawnLight_ | when using 'user' in fstab, do i need to set certain permissions or ownership for the mounted device or mount point so that users could mount it? |
| 15:12.53 | soczol | ah okay |
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| 15:13.24 | nullvoid | I am trying to follow http://wiki.debian.org/DebianLive/Howto/USB but where can I get the lh_config |
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| 15:14.07 | DawnLight_ | abrotman: ^ ? |
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| 15:14.21 | asg | nullvoid: do you have the live-helper package installed? |
| 15:14.35 | abrotman | DawnLight_: only if you want certain perms IIRC .. otherwise it just allows a user to mount a device (as oppsed to root-only) |
| 15:14.46 | nullvoid | asg: not yet :D |
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| 15:15.24 | asg | nullvoid: iirc, you need that package |
| 15:16.14 | DawnLight_ | abrotman: well, the fstab line is "dev/sda3 /mnt/windows ntfs-3g user,noauto 0 0" but "# mount /mnt/windows" as user doesn't mount it |
| 15:17.13 | DawnLight_ | while as root, it does |
| 15:17.14 | abrotman | why not? errors help |
| 15:17.19 | abrotman | !ntfsro |
| 15:17.24 | abrotman | f'in bot |
| 15:17.35 | DawnLight_ | are no errors |
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| 15:18.00 | fanti | are there any (in)official .deb packages for compiz-fusion? |
| 15:18.34 | karmatronic | fanti, deb http://download.tuxfamily.org/shames/debian-lenny/desktopfx/unstable/ ./ |
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| 15:18.44 | fanti | karmatronic: thx |
| 15:18.47 | Sentence | hi |
| 15:19.00 | abrotman | karmatronic: debian-lenny/unstable ? |
| 15:19.01 | abrotman | wtf |
| 15:19.33 | orveldv | I would need some ideas, AFAIK the "ro" option for mount -o bind doesn't work in linux without kernel patching; is there smth similar I can use? |
| 15:19.35 | karmatronic | abrotman, dont know this is the onw i use :) |
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| 15:27.48 | Hypergraphe | i'm in big troubles |
| 15:27.52 | Hypergraphe | can you help me ? |
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| 15:28.30 | abrotman | did you ask? |
| 15:28.40 | Hypergraphe | gdm won't start |
| 15:28.43 | karmatronic | Hypergraphe, if your sex lige goes well , then all goes well |
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| 15:28.45 | Hypergraphe | i just get a tty |
| 15:28.48 | Arelis | how do i format a harddrive to the ext3 file system using the terminal? |
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| 15:29.07 | karmatronic | Hypergraphe, and you call this big trouble ? |
| 15:29.12 | Hypergraphe | lol |
| 15:29.14 | Hypergraphe | yeah |
| 15:29.15 | Hypergraphe | :D |
| 15:29.17 | abrotman | Arelis: mkfs.ext3 |
| 15:29.29 | karmatronic | Hydroxide, does startx give error too ? |
| 15:29.32 | Hypergraphe | there is a link in /etc/rc3.d |
| 15:29.39 | Hypergraphe | but it won't start |
| 15:29.45 | karmatronic | Hypergraphe, does startx give error too ? |
| 15:29.50 | Hypergraphe | non startx ok |
| 15:30.02 | Hypergraphe | & /etc/init.d/gdm start |
| 15:30.06 | Hypergraphe | is ok too |
| 15:30.10 | Milotin | Hypergraphe did you tryied : /etc/init.d/gdm stop |
| 15:30.19 | Milotin | and /etc/init.d/gdm start |
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| 15:30.34 | Hypergraphe | ps aux | grep "gdm" |
| 15:30.44 | Hypergraphe | returns noting |
| 15:31.06 | abrotman | look in /var/log/Xorg.0.log |
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| 15:31.24 | Milotin | weird , it happened to me in the morning to |
| 15:31.24 | ricardo | hi what program can I use to download adobe flash videos? |
| 15:31.32 | Milotin | i just reinstalled gnome and worked fine |
| 15:31.40 | dvs | Hypergraphe: look for (EE) in /var/log/xorg.0.log |
| 15:31.48 | Arelis | abrotman: thanks |
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| 15:32.18 | Hypergraphe | no EE |
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| 15:32.59 | Hypergraphe | i'm with sid |
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| 15:33.11 | Hypergraphe | under* |
| 15:33.42 | nullvoid | ricardo: wget? |
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| 15:34.42 | karmatronic | ricardo, there s an extension for firefox |
| 15:34.44 | Hypergraphe | abrotman, any idea ? |
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| 15:34.54 | karmatronic | ricardo, that does quite a good job, it s called download helper |
| 15:35.04 | ricardo | karmatronic, ok ill try that |
| 15:35.42 | karmatronic | Hypergraphe, what happens when you run /etc/init.d/gdm start |
| 15:35.49 | ricardo | on windows i can use flashget |
| 15:35.50 | Hypergraphe | works fine |
| 15:36.23 | karmatronic | Hypergraphe, what you mean it works fine ? |
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| 15:36.36 | Hypergraphe | i runs X server |
| 15:36.38 | Hypergraphe | it* |
| 15:36.42 | abrotman | Hypergraphe: look at the log |
| 15:36.52 | Milotin | can someone tell that if it's normal this : yesterday my network connection didn`t worked but the sound yes. when i managed to solve my network problem the sound crashed and when i tried to solve the sound the network crashed |
| 15:36.53 | Milotin | i guess is some sort of conflict between them |
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| 15:37.00 | Milotin | can someone help me fix this ? |
| 15:37.05 | Hypergraphe | which log ? |
| 15:37.34 | Hypergraphe | ho |
| 15:37.41 | Hypergraphe | it don't seems to work anymore |
| 15:38.26 | abrotman | look in /var/log/Xorg.0.log |
| 15:39.19 | cahoot | Milotin: cat /proc/interrupts |
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| 15:39.43 | dvs | how come I have a /var/log/gdm/\:0.log file? I never knew it had a separate log file. |
| 15:39.51 | Milotin | i`ll have to reboot and boot ubuntu again |
| 15:39.58 | Milotin | it will take a few minutes |
| 15:40.03 | Milotin | would you stay longer |
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| 15:40.16 | Hypergraphe | abrotman, |
| 15:40.21 | Hypergraphe | i don't find anything |
| 15:40.36 | dvs | Hypergraphe: paste that log file to pastebin.ca |
| 15:40.40 | Hypergraphe | ok |
| 15:40.52 | abrotman | @fr |
| 15:40.56 | abrotman | ~fr |
| 15:40.57 | apt | Les personnes qui parlent francais et qui ont besoin d'une aide a propos de Debian peuvent venir sur #debian-fr - People speaking french and in need of support for debian, please join #debian-fr |
| 15:41.05 | PaulTT | Hi all.. How can I determine if there is an additional NIC installed on my debian sarge server? I had one installed by my colocation provider, and do not see eth1 in ifconfig... is there a command I can detect? |
| 15:41.10 | hoxu | any suggestions on getting ipod nano 3g to work on debian etch? |
| 15:41.32 | hoxu | PaulTT, ifconfig -a ? |
| 15:41.40 | dvs | PaulTT: lspci maybe |
| 15:42.02 | karmatronic | abrotman, i dont see any french there ... |
| 15:42.26 | abrotman | karmatronic: it's implied! |
| 15:42.38 | Hypergraphe | http://pastebin.ca/829887 |
| 15:43.19 | abrotman | Hypergraphe: aptitude install xorg .. try again |
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| 15:43.28 | Hypergraphe | ok |
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| 15:44.26 | PaulTT | dvs: would lspci be updated as soon as a new card is plugged in? |
| 15:44.32 | PaulTT | dvs: or do I need to refresh somehow? |
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| 15:45.07 | Hypergraphe | abrotman, done |
| 15:45.12 | Hypergraphe | what do i do now |
| 15:45.16 | abrotman | restart gdm? |
| 15:45.20 | Hypergraphe | ok |
| 15:45.28 | karmatronic | PaulTT, update-pciids si es hardware reciente , y luego lspci |
| 15:45.34 | Hypergraphe | same thing |
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| 15:45.38 | Hypergraphe | i've got an output |
| 15:45.43 | dvs | PaulTT: it would be updated immediately |
| 15:45.44 | Hypergraphe | Display manager : gdm |
| 15:45.50 | Hypergraphe | and nothing appening |
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| 15:45.57 | karmatronic | PaulTT, update-pciids if it s recient hardware and then lspci |
| 15:45.58 | Hypergraphe | yesterday i installed splashy |
| 15:46.06 | expose | Why doesnt a search for "kde" in the package names of experimental packages give any results? |
| 15:46.19 | Hypergraphe | i removed it today and it's not working fine since the uninstall |
| 15:47.12 | Hypergraphe | i guess i'm gonna reinstall debian |
| 15:47.14 | Hypergraphe | >_< |
| 15:48.12 | PaulTT | karmatronic: thanks! |
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| 15:48.29 | Hypergraphe | ok let's do this |
| 15:48.33 | Hypergraphe | reinstall |
| 15:48.39 | Hypergraphe | thanks everybody |
| 15:48.44 | Hypergraphe | ^_^ |
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| 15:58.20 | Nyle | <PROTECTED> |
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| 16:02.14 | Admiral_Ackbar | IT'S A TRAP! |
| 16:02.47 | Milotin | can someone tell that if it's normal this : yesterday my network connection didn`t worked but the sound yes. when i managed to solve my network problem the sound crashed and when i tried to solve the sound the network crashed |
| 16:02.51 | Milotin | i guess is some sort of conflict between them |
| 16:02.52 | Milotin | it will take a few minutes |
| 16:02.55 | Milotin | can someone help me fix this ? |
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| 16:05.03 | SpeedyG | hey, how can I reinstall grub if i've reinstalled windows (which has overwritten my mbr) |
| 16:05.04 | Nyle | karmatronic: hi |
| 16:05.16 | Nyle | !reinstall grub |
| 16:05.18 | karmatronic | Nyle, hi buddy |
| 16:05.20 | Nyle | damit |
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| 16:05.28 | dvs | @reinstall grub |
| 16:05.31 | Nyle | there was some damn fatoid |
| 16:05.34 | stew | SpeedyG: /usr/share/doc/grub/README.Debian |
| 16:05.45 | Nyle | stew++ |
| 16:05.49 | dvs | every bot's on vacation. |
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| 16:06.00 | Nyle | stew is the bot for today |
| 16:06.00 | stew | i can summon aptitude.. |
| 16:06.02 | Nyle | heh |
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| 16:06.41 | Nyle | dvs |
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| 16:06.45 | aptitude | Okay, I'm here. (courtesy of stew) |
| 16:06.52 | dvs | 'bout time! |
| 16:06.53 | Nyle | did you know that the first western song I heard that I remember |
| 16:06.56 | stew | &reinstall grub |
| 16:06.57 | aptitude | somebody said reinstall grub was boot a cd like knoppixgrml, mount your disk read/write, (mount boot partition into your / partition if applicable,) mount -o bind /dev/ /your/root/dev; chroot /your/root; mount -t proc none /proc; grub-install /dev/foo (you may need to edit /etc/mtab and/or /boot/grub/device.map) |
| 16:06.59 | Nyle | was this group called DVS |
| 16:07.29 | Nyle | like devious, had a popular song called addicted to love |
| 16:07.47 | dvs | I thought that was Rober Palmer |
| 16:07.52 | dvs | Robert |
| 16:07.55 | Nyle | yeh but they did probaby a remake |
| 16:07.57 | Nyle | i dunno |
| 16:08.05 | Nyle | man you know whats cool |
| 16:08.29 | Nyle | hanging in this channel i've learned so much in the last few years that I don't have to worry about running sid on all my desktops |
| 16:08.44 | dvs | heh |
| 16:08.49 | Nyle | in my 26 years, i've been on many irc networks |
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| 16:08.52 | dvs | I'm just too lazy to run sid |
| 16:08.58 | Nyle | but the collection of people in #debian is fucking fantastic man |
| 16:09.05 | cahoot | heard of Alfred E Neuman? |
| 16:09.06 | Nyle | brilliant people here |
| 16:09.11 | *** mode/#debian [+o debhelper] by ChanServ |
| 16:09.17 | ny | that's because i am here :P |
| 16:09.21 | Nyle | i've heard of seinfeld's neuman |
| 16:09.22 | Nyle | :) |
| 16:09.33 | dvs | Nyle: that's the guy from Mad Magazine |
| 16:09.39 | cahoot | his motto was: Me worry? |
| 16:09.42 | dvs | yup |
| 16:09.42 | Nyle | ny: hello !neuman! |
| 16:09.43 | Nyle | hehe |
| 16:09.46 | asg | cahoot: What? Me worry? |
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| 16:09.53 | cahoot | right |
| 16:09.59 | cahoot | doh |
| 16:10.04 | groton | i copied the root partition of my hd to another one (on another hd), and now i want to boot from the other hd with grub: should i simply run grub-install hd0? |
| 16:10.09 | asg | now we know who all the old farts are |
| 16:10.16 | Nyle | groton: no |
| 16:10.37 | Nyle | I would just manually create an entry in menu.lst |
| 16:10.43 | dvs | heh |
| 16:10.48 | SpeedyG | stew: hm, thanks, but... somehow, its not needed anymore :| all of the sudden grub boots now again :\ |
| 16:10.52 | dvs | asg: the captain and who? |
| 16:11.00 | Nyle | root would be your device kernel would be path located to kernel on that disk etc. and initrd |
| 16:11.00 | groton | Nyle, ok, but the old hd is going away... |
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| 16:11.05 | asg | dvs: teniel (sp?) |
| 16:11.11 | Nyle | groton: oh then by all means go for it |
| 16:11.21 | dvs | @price asg |
| 16:11.26 | dvs | doh! |
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| 16:12.06 | groton | Nyle, it says: /dev/hdb6 does not have any corresponding BIOS drive |
| 16:12.07 | Nyle | well anyway soemone told me a few days ago that I can use asterisk to call pakistan from linux for free |
| 16:12.16 | Nyle | im like ok holy shit! lets find out how |
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| 16:12.48 | dvs | Nyle: are you fasting again? |
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| 16:13.00 | dvs | !wb |
| 16:13.01 | cahoot | thy'd be knocking on your door soon |
| 16:13.04 | Nyle | dvs: no, in fact we just had our Eid recently |
| 16:13.05 | dpkg | thanks, dvs. It's good to be back. |
| 16:13.16 | Nyle | dpkg test |
| 16:13.19 | dpkg | Test Failed. |
| 16:13.22 | dvs | Nyle: it's over already! that was fast |
| 16:13.23 | Nyle | gooe |
| 16:13.35 | Nyle | yeh |
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| 16:14.23 | Nyle | experimental was void of all relating to KDE4 |
| 16:14.31 | Nyle | !experimental |
| 16:14.31 | dpkg | experimental is the bleeding edge of Debian Development. Packages here have been deemed unfit/DANGEROUS/untrustworthy/etc for release by the maintainer responsible for them. DO NOT INSTALL PACKAGES FROM EXPERIMENTAL WITHOUT KNOWING EXACTLY WHY AND WHAT YOU ARE DOING. #debian does not support experimental. for an actual description, see section 4.6.4.3 of the Developer's Reference, or http://packages.debian.org/experimental/ |
| 16:15.14 | Nyle | oh fuck it |
| 16:15.19 | Nyle | im gonna build kde4 |
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| 16:15.28 | dvs | o_O |
| 16:15.41 | SpeedyG | exp==lenny right ? |
| 16:15.43 | Nyle | i was being lazy and waiting for packages |
| 16:15.47 | Nyle | SpeedyG: no |
| 16:15.50 | dvs | Nyle: bored in NY, highly unlikely |
| 16:15.52 | Nyle | !releases |
| 16:15.52 | dpkg | well, releases is See http://www.debian.org/releases/ for an explanation of releases. see <release history> for prior releases. http://wiki.debian.org/DebianReleases |
| 16:16.23 | Nyle | dvs: where are you? |
| 16:16.30 | dvs | Nyle: Toronto |
| 16:16.36 | Nyle | cool |
| 16:16.44 | Nyle | I've been there |
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| 16:16.48 | dvs | Nyle: not really, it's quite warm (45G) |
| 16:16.52 | dvs | 45F |
| 16:16.56 | Nyle | wow |
| 16:17.02 | Nyle | I wonder what nyc is like atm |
| 16:17.26 | Nyle | hmmi got my window open, idon't feel cold |
| 16:17.31 | dvs | It suppose to be 23F by tonight |
| 16:17.38 | pmo_ | hi, i have a problem with sox.. or arecord it seems i cannot record from alsa, i have amilo with ICH8 chipset, any clues ? |
| 16:17.40 | Nyle | oh hey dvs may I msg you |
| 16:17.45 | dvs | Nyle: ok |
| 16:17.58 | pmo_ | no /dev/dsp that works either.. but a /dev/snd... ?? |
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| 16:19.22 | Nyle | I think I also have an ICH8 but mine is a cheapo realtek hd onboard chip |
| 16:19.47 | pmo_ | Nyle yes so something about realtek.. too with alsaconf |
| 16:19.47 | Nyle | ICH8 sucks without pata support anyway, but anyway |
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| 16:20.20 | Nyle | pmo_: what exactly is going on? I am not familiar with 'sox?'/arecord? |
| 16:20.20 | pmo_ | ALC883 |
| 16:20.53 | pmo_ | i just tried the sox / rec / arecord stuff.. a simple line to try record something.. but never works... |
| 16:21.19 | pmo_ | i tried to spell something and do a cat /dev/dsp.. either.. doesn't work.. |
| 16:22.15 | pmo_ | sox / rec.; is kind of simple.. rec record.wav.. and it supposedly record all on mic.. in file record with wav format |
| 16:22.51 | dvs | pmo_: you can't "cat /dev/dsp". You have to send stuff to /dev/dsp. i.e. cat /dev/urandom > /dev/dsp |
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| 16:23.00 | pmo_ | sounds play well.. i have a /etc/asoundrc (dmixer) setup to be able to play different sound at the same time |
| 16:23.25 | pmo_ | dvs, where come stream from mic ? then ? hw:0 ??? |
| 16:23.58 | dvs | pmo_: Not sure. I haven't messed with the microphone. |
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| 16:25.06 | pmo_ | dvs,so far as a i heard, also /dev/dsp is oss .. not exactly alsa.. and something like a alsa-oss plugin might be needed. but well doesn't work, and i have no clues.. |
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| 16:25.09 | xsdg | pmo_: what do you mean? |
| 16:25.34 | xsdg | pmo_: look at alsamixer; your mic input might be muted |
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| 16:25.59 | dvs | pmo_: but that's for output, not input. |
| 16:26.00 | pmo_ | xsdg, i'd like to record something, but can't .. it looks like nothing is recorded, for some reason.. works well, but nothing recorded ? .. mic input.. |
| 16:26.05 | zeldafan500 | I won at the connect 4 game in debian XD it only took me 15 times of the computer winning |
| 16:26.43 | PaulTT | how can I disconnect a user from ssh? |
| 16:26.50 | zeldafan500 | I'm 1337 huh' |
| 16:26.55 | xsdg | pmo_: ok; look at alsamixer |
| 16:27.03 | asg | PaulTT: kill their shell or use the 'slay' package |
| 16:27.04 | xsdg | PaulTT: kill their shell |
| 16:27.23 | PaulTT | how do I kill th e shell? |
| 16:27.23 | zeldafan500 | PaulTT why do you want to d/c them |
| 16:27.30 | zeldafan500 | hackers? |
| 16:27.46 | PaulTT | no, support guy from datacenter |
| 16:27.48 | pmo_ | alsamixer.. MIc level 100% just like volume and the rest |
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| 16:27.50 | PaulTT | left his connection open |
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| 16:27.54 | PaulTT | just kill the process id? |
| 16:27.57 | asg | yes |
| 16:28.30 | PaulTT | hmm. I don't see it |
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| 16:28.36 | Claudio32m | kbrooks - do you have a website for your shell service? |
| 16:28.46 | kbrooks | Claudio32m, no. |
| 16:28.47 | xsdg | pmo_: do you have mic plugged in to the right place? |
| 16:28.59 | xsdg | pmo_: (also, it's often a bad idea to have the mic volume all the way up) |
| 16:29.09 | Claudio32m | kbrooks - so its a one on one type account setup? |
| 16:29.12 | pmo_ | xsdg, i had but don't have any more.. it is a notebook.. built in |
| 16:29.14 | PaulTT | root 3350 0.0 0.1 7824 2252 ? Ss 11:05 0:00 sshd: root@pts/4 |
| 16:29.20 | xsdg | pmo_: (because of potential feedback if something suddenly starts working) |
| 16:29.27 | PaulTT | is that it? |
| 16:29.29 | zeldafan500 | I think the windows volume control thing is better then alsamixer |
| 16:29.53 | xsdg | zeldafan500: err... there are other frontends to control alsa volume |
| 16:30.00 | pmo_ | xsdg, all 90% now.. |
| 16:30.06 | kbrooks | Claudio32m, er, i have an automated system atm that allows users to create an account thru ssh |
| 16:30.15 | zeldafan500 | those games that come with debian, is the source code available for them? |
| 16:30.15 | xsdg | pmo_: ok, so look for something about "mic line sense" |
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| 16:30.20 | Claudio32m | kbrooks - how do they know about it? |
| 16:30.21 | xsdg | pmo_: oh, oh |
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| 16:30.35 | Quentusrex | How can I prioritize a 3rd party version of a package over the offical package? |
| 16:30.40 | abrotman | !pinning |
| 16:30.40 | dpkg | If you are running stable, don't pin; use a backport. Ask me about <backports> or <simple sid backport>. If you're using testing, man apt_preferences or see http://wiki.debian.org/AptPinning. |
| 16:30.41 | asg | zeldafan500: yes as long as they are in main / contrib. There is no guarantee for things in non-free |
| 16:30.46 | xsdg | pmo_: does Mic have the red "CAPTUR" thing under it? |
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| 16:31.03 | kbrooks | Claudio32m, no new users have used it yet, before it was one on one |
| 16:31.04 | pmo_ | xsdg, no |
| 16:31.09 | Quentusrex | I want to install ffmpeg from a 3rd party repo in my apt sources, rather than the offical version. |
| 16:31.26 | xsdg | pmo_: ok, turn down the mic volume some more, then select it and hit the spacebar |
| 16:31.52 | zeldafan500 | the game is in applications - games - |
| 16:32.05 | Claudio32m | kbrooks - i was browsing some free shell providers websites earlier.. they all have disclaimers about activities, can we get in trouble if someone does something illegal through our systems? |
| 16:32.28 | kbrooks | Claudio32m, depends on where you live. |
| 16:32.36 | Claudio32m | kbrooks - canada |
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| 16:33.01 | pmo_ | xsdg, it is <tab> that produce something 'odd'.. some new bar.. to show up, and 2 0%.. |
| 16:33.03 | jdahm | hey, I am having trouble installing debian in a virtual machine with Parallels, when I boot it with the netinst ISO, it just hangs at "Boot from CD/DVD-ROM Drive..." Does anyone know what might cause this? |
| 16:33.04 | zeldafan500 | if the password file that has all the system passwords on it is impossible to un-encrypt then how does the system read it |
| 16:33.12 | xsdg | pmo_: no, not tab |
| 16:33.22 | xsdg | pmo_: space |
| 16:34.18 | pmo_ | xsdg, i only have those 'capture' you mentioned.. when i did 'tab', i didnt have this before |
| 16:34.22 | kbrooks | Claudio32m, oh, i forgot,. umm, yes, you're responsible for all that someone on YOUR system does, but the disclaimers effectively nullify that |
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| 16:35.00 | xsdg | pmo_: ok. On this machine, though, I don't have Mic in the capture group; only the playback group |
| 16:35.13 | xsdg | pmo_: oh, is the capture volume at a reasonable level, though? (sorry, totally forgot about that) |
| 16:35.20 | Claudio32m | kbrooks - can you monitor what someone does "live" when they're on your system? |
| 16:35.30 | Claudio32m | is there commands like strace for c programs for shells? |
| 16:35.31 | kbrooks | Claudio32m, yes |
| 16:35.35 | Claudio32m | cool |
| 16:35.36 | pmo_ | xsdg, one is, second is not |
| 16:35.38 | kbrooks | Claudio32m, and yes |
| 16:35.58 | kbrooks | Claudio32m, well, yes as in "they're possible: but i dunno myself" |
| 16:36.02 | pmo_ | xsdg, i have capture 90%, capture 0% and Digital 0% for Front mic |
| 16:36.09 | Claudio32m | ahh |
| 16:36.28 | dvs | xsdg: I just join the audio group. |
| 16:36.40 | zeldafan500 | if the password file that has all the system passwords on it is impossible to un-encrypt then how does the system read it |
| 16:36.55 | pmo_ | Claudio32m, set -x |
| 16:36.58 | kbrooks | Claudio32m, see w, who, lastlog, these tell u about the users currently logged in and the activity in the past |
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| 16:37.17 | dvs | zeldafan500: the system receives an encrypted password and compares the encryptions |
| 16:37.28 | zeldafan500 | oh |
| 16:37.30 | zeldafan500 | lol |
| 16:37.39 | pmo_ | Claudio32m, look for snoop.. would work on console level |
| 16:37.46 | Claudio32m | found something too |
| 16:37.47 | Claudio32m | http://www.cyberciti.biz/tips/linux-and-unix-interactive-process-and-users-monitoring-tool.html |
| 16:37.53 | xsdg | pmo_: ok, so here, I got it working by turning mic volume up to 75, and turning "Mic Boost" on |
| 16:38.04 | Claudio32m | basically apt-get install whowatch |
| 16:38.13 | Claudio32m | thanks pmo_ |
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| 16:38.27 | xsdg | pmo_: "Mic Select" is set to "Mic1" and stops working if I switch to "Mic2" (whic, I presume, is the external mic plug) |
| 16:38.30 | kbrooks | pmo_, k ill use that too thx |
| 16:38.34 | kbrooks | er |
| 16:38.41 | kbrooks | Claudio32m, k ill use that too thx |
| 16:39.22 | pmo_ | xsdg, ok.. gonna try to figure out, and play with those things, i didn't play before, thanks for clues, ;-) great ;-) |
| 16:39.26 | kbrooks | Claudio32m, tthe post title sucks. ;-) |
| 16:39.38 | xsdg | pmo_: np; good luck |
| 16:39.47 | Claudio32m | yes |
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| 16:40.37 | Quentusrex | how do I install ffmpeg from a particular 3rd party repo rather than the official ones? |
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| 16:41.09 | abrotman | !Pinning |
| 16:41.09 | dpkg | If you are running stable, don't pin; use a backport. Ask me about <backports> or <simple sid backport>. If you're using testing, man apt_preferences or see http://wiki.debian.org/AptPinning. |
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| 16:43.38 | pmo_ | xsdg, works :) |
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| 16:43.44 | xsdg | pmo_: awesome |
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| 16:44.22 | pmo_ | xsdg, yes, it is :) since i wasted much time, for this 'annoying' thing :) |
| 16:44.22 | Hypergraphe | omg |
| 16:44.25 | Hypergraphe | http://tbn0.google.com/images?q=tbn:-zpigNEzLThksM:http://bp3.blogger.com/_Y2uWeGSk9Sw/RoCh3WjcwRI/AAAAAAAAAj0/MTN1NI-UIpk/s400/debian_tatoo.JPG |
| 16:44.28 | Hypergraphe | look at that |
| 16:44.36 | SpeedyG | during installation of debian i'm getting this 'The swap partition that was found in uswsusp's configuration file is not active' message, would this cause errors? because I'm certain that i've got a swap partition |
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| 16:46.36 | abrotman | Hypergraphe: a few people have debian tattoos |
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| 16:47.42 | Hypergraphe | amazing |
| 16:47.48 | Airbottl1 | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nautilus nautilus shells also have debian tattoos Hypergraphe :) |
| 16:48.03 | xsdg | SpeedyG: look at the config file? |
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| 16:48.08 | Hypergraphe | lol |
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| 16:49.45 | Nyle | who designed the official debian logo |
| 16:50.02 | jdahm | whenever I try to instal debian with the netinst using Parallels, it hangs when it tries to boot from the ISO image, can anyone relate to this? |
| 16:50.16 | Airbottl1 | !logo |
| 16:50.16 | dpkg | logo is probably a wierd graphical language, but don't tell Seymour that, or http://debian.org/logos |
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| 16:50.32 | Nyle | !debian logo |
| 16:50.33 | dpkg | debian logo is, like, the sweetest logo ever |
| 16:50.35 | Nyle | lol |
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| 16:52.01 | abrotman | jdahm: have you tried the acpi or apic options ? |
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| 16:52.44 | dawn | i hate windows. it doesn't work |
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| 16:53.15 | jdahm | abrotman: no, I didn't thnk it gave any options like that |
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| 16:54.12 | jdahm | abrotman: I can choose the IDE address to give the virtual disk image though |
| 16:54.13 | abrotman | jdahm: hit F1 it says right ? |
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| 16:54.57 | jdahm | abrotman: I don't see that... |
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| 16:55.40 | jdahm | abrotman: I just get to the point where it says "boot from hard drive ... failed (of course) \\ Boot from CD/DVD drive... _" |
| 16:55.43 | jdahm | and it hangs |
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| 16:56.01 | abrotman | oh .. it won't boot the ISO at all ? |
| 16:56.18 | abrotman | which ISO did you get? and what is parallels emulating ? |
| 16:56.23 | jdahm | abrotman: nope, the iso isn't corrupt either, I mounted it with OSX |
| 16:56.26 | jdahm | abrotman: the netist |
| 16:56.36 | abrotman | for x86? |
| 16:56.37 | jdahm | netinst |
| 16:56.38 | abrotman | ppc? |
| 16:56.40 | abrotman | amd64? |
| 16:56.57 | jdahm | abrotman: ai64? I thought was the new intel chip arch |
| 16:56.59 | DustyDingo | hm, i try to find the fonts included in xfonts-artiwzin unstable in etch |
| 16:57.09 | jdahm | abrotman: thats probably the problem |
| 16:57.12 | abrotman | ia64? that's itanium .. that's likely not what you want |
| 16:57.16 | abrotman | !ia64 |
| 16:57.16 | dpkg | it has been said that ia64 is (Intel Architecture-64), a 64-bit processor architecture developed in cooperation by Intel and Hewlett-Packard, implemented by processors such as Itanium and Itanium 2. The goal of Itanium was to produce a "post-RISC era" arch using EPIC. see http://www.debian.org/ports/ia64/ -- if your CPU is opteron/athlon64/turion/sempron/xeon/em64t/pentium/core2duo/core*, then it is NOT ia64 |
| 16:57.30 | abrotman | DustyDingo: dpkg -L <pkg> |
| 16:57.45 | jdahm | abrotman: so for the new intel chips I just use the ppc images too? |
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| 16:58.17 | jdahm | abrotman: or core2duo I guess is the chip I have |
| 16:58.19 | DustyDingo | abrotman: for a non installed paclage ;) |
| 16:58.23 | abrotman | jdahm: you likely want i386 or amd64 |
| 16:58.26 | abrotman | DustyDingo: man apt-file |
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| 17:00.31 | jdahm | abrotman: thanks, I just verified that amd64 is really emt64 |
| 17:00.45 | abrotman | em64t .. but yes .. tehy're the same |
| 17:00.46 | abrotman | !amd64 |
| 17:00.47 | dpkg | [amd64] See http://www.debian.org/ports/amd64/ and the #debian-amd64 IRC channel, or http://alioth.debian.org/docman/view.php/30192/21/debian-amd64-howto.html, now official, will be a supported arch on Etch, or a generic name. It also supports xeon etc, see http://wiki.debian.org/DebianAMD64Faq. Consider using debian/i386 if you do not have a good reason to use debian/amd64. For flash on amd64, ask me about <nspluginwrapper> |
| 17:00.52 | abrotman | erm .. |
| 17:00.53 | abrotman | !em64t |
| 17:00.54 | dpkg | em64t is, like, Intel's clone of AMD Athlon64/Opteron architecture - provides 64-bit extensions to i386 architecture. Use AMD64 Debian (/msg dpkg amd64), or Sarge with a -em64t-p4 kernel. Found only on Nocona and Irwindale Xeons, or the latest Extreme Edition Pentiums |
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| 17:02.23 | robin_sz | well, it works, just no wifi |
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| 17:02.34 | jdahm | robin_sz: what laptop do you have? |
| 17:02.45 | robin_sz | Dell precision M90 |
| 17:02.53 | jdahm | ah |
| 17:02.58 | robin_sz | the wifi drivers work just fine |
| 17:03.07 | jdahm | Im not sure the wifi will work well on the MBP |
| 17:03.12 | daniele_982 | hello all someone can help me with evtest and xmodmap or similar? i must associate a key |
| 17:03.23 | robin_sz | works fine, the wifi drivers themselves |
| 17:03.32 | ismael_ | I'm installing Debian on my laptop, and I can't get wifi to run :( |
| 17:03.34 | robin_sz | its the authentication thats fucked up |
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| 17:03.45 | robin_sz | wpa-supplicant to be precise |
| 17:03.49 | abrotman | ismael_: we need more information like your chipset, etc |
| 17:03.53 | ismael_ | the module ipw2200 is loaded, but I don't see an interface |
| 17:03.53 | mwnn | Hi, After downloading DVD-1 of debian-4.0r1, i verified the image using md5sum. But when i am trying to create an iso image from the DVD, the md5sum does not match? |
| 17:04.07 | ismael_ | I previously ran Ubuntu and that used that module and ran perfectly |
| 17:04.19 | abrotman | ismael_: did you get the firmware to go with it? |
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| 17:04.46 | ismael_ | abrotman: I didn't touch anything, so I guess I didn't. What should I do? |
| 17:04.54 | abrotman | !ipw2200 |
| 17:04.54 | dpkg | You need the firmware to make the card work. Run "/sbin/modinfo ipw2200 |grep version" to get your driver version. Go to http://ipw2200.sf.net/firmware.php and download the firmware matching your driver version. Unpack it into /lib/firmware. You will need to have udev or hotplug installed to load the firmware. If you have a kernel earlier than 2.6.15, ask about <ipw2200 build>. See also <ipw2200 troubleshooting>. |
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| 17:05.12 | robin_sz | the basic problem is that wpa-supplicant is so badly documented, i can't even figure out what its supposed to be trying to do, let alone where its going wrong |
| 17:05.31 | norton- | when I use fetchmail to get mail it connects to the local 25 port and passes the mail over to exim4 in a default installation, right? |
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| 17:06.01 | robin_sz | close, typically, fetchmail fetches mail, then loses it |
| 17:06.18 | norton- | loses? |
| 17:06.31 | ismael_ | thanks, abrotman. There should be a more visible warning about that... I mean, it runs on ubuntu out of the box, debian should at least tell you "hey! download that!" |
| 17:06.36 | robin_sz | it has soemting of a repuatation |
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| 17:07.27 | QQmelo | hello |
| 17:07.28 | norton- | ok, but if it works, then it will work like I said? |
| 17:07.54 | enouf | mwnn: it won't - the resultant burn is likely padded , and it varies upon burner settings (that's the best i can tell) - which app did you burn with? |
| 17:07.55 | abrotman | ismael_: i bet the docs say that in /usr/share/doc/ipw2200 or something like that |
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| 17:08.18 | DustyDingo | hm, aren't there artwiz fonts in debian? |
| 17:08.19 | norton- | anyway, what I wonder, is there an MDA involved anywhere? exim is a MTA right? Does it pass control to a MDA or does it store stuff in the spool directory by itself? |
| 17:08.33 | enouf | mwnn: the DVD you d/l is already an ISO image, what are you trying to do? |
| 17:09.31 | mwnn | I burnt it about a month ago. Now my friend needs a copy of it. So I had copy it on to a iso image. |
| 17:09.43 | abrotman | DustyDingo: packages.debian.org/artwiz .. see anything ? |
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| 17:09.56 | kbrooks | Claudio32m, ping |
| 17:10.39 | mwnn | enouf: Then I ran md5sum on the iso image. But the result does not match the md5sum of the official dvd. |
| 17:11.24 | enouf | DustyDingo: i saw more hits in etch http://packages.debian.org/search?suite=sid&arch=any&mode=filename&searchon=contents&keywords=artwiz |
| 17:12.18 | jdahm | mwnn: You made an ISO of the ISO or an ISO of the dvd? |
| 17:12.27 | enouf | mwnn: it won't - .. hehe |
| 17:12.36 | jdahm | I didn't think it should |
| 17:12.37 | mwnn | jdahm: ISO of the dvd. |
| 17:12.37 | Nyle | what? |
| 17:12.45 | jdahm | mwnn: haha, ok |
| 17:12.51 | enouf | mwnn: do you have 2 optical drives? |
| 17:12.52 | Nyle | wgt wiykd ti as' |
| 17:13.00 | mwnn | enouf: nope. |
| 17:13.03 | enouf | mwnn: that can read dvds? |
| 17:13.03 | Nyle | argh. |
| 17:13.04 | enouf | ok |
| 17:13.10 | kbrooks | Claudio32m, ping |
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| 17:13.24 | mwnn | enouf: I have a dvd reader/writer. |
| 17:13.28 | enouf | mwnn: what did you use to make the ISO? |
| 17:13.35 | mwnn | k3b |
| 17:13.35 | enouf | which app? |
| 17:14.00 | ismael_ | abrotman: It didn't work, it said "request_firmware failed: Reason -2" |
| 17:14.10 | enouf | ok, tell k3b to "verify" after writing, there's other options you could use to tell it to not pad the ISO, likely |
| 17:14.20 | DustyDingo | enouf: thats strange, i made a note, that my fluxbox config needs a paclage called xfonts-artwiz, but this is an old sarge package and there aren't any artwiz fonts in etch |
| 17:14.32 | enouf | mwnn: might try genisoimage, or even growisofs |
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| 17:15.15 | mwnn | enouf: But is it safe enough to install from the dvd (which I already have)? |
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| 17:15.56 | enouf | DustyDingo: yes, strange thngs happen ;-) |
| 17:17.37 | enouf | mwnn: sure - as long as you know it hasn't been tampered with, then sure, and if it loads correctly - otherwise, go back and try again, till you get it right (which may never work) |
| 17:18.30 | mwnn | enouf: Thanks a lot for your time. |
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| 17:18.40 | enouf | np |
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| 17:19.56 | r-wolf | how is that console X config package called? |
| 17:20.06 | r-wolf | I forgot it :( |
| 17:20.08 | enouf | !drxx |
| 17:20.09 | dpkg | To reconfigure your X server, run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg as root. If you're not using Xorg (sarge or earlier), dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86, and ask me about <xmd5sum> if you've changed XF86Config-4 yourself. |
| 17:20.21 | enouf | that? |
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| 17:20.32 | r-wolf | hmm |
| 17:20.46 | enouf | hrmm? |
| 17:20.55 | r-wolf | maybe it is, I'll try it now |
| 17:21.04 | HardDisk_WP | hi all |
| 17:21.13 | HardDisk_WP | Acronis DiskDirector is strange... |
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| 17:21.36 | HardDisk_WP | sda1: ext3, sda2: NTFS,sda3: fat32. |
| 17:22.01 | HardDisk_WP | then deleted sda3 and moved sda1/sda2, so there would theoretically be space in front of sda1. |
| 17:22.09 | HardDisk_WP | created there the fat32 again |
| 17:22.11 | r-wolf | enouf: that's exactly what I need, thanks |
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| 17:22.30 | HardDisk_WP | in windows the partition table is now fat32 - ext3 - ntfs |
| 17:22.44 | HardDisk_WP | but in mbr and in linux it is still ext3 - ntfs - fat32 |
| 17:23.03 | HardDisk_WP | how does this difference come and how do I make it look correct (begin with fat32)? |
| 17:23.19 | enouf | r-wolf: ok |
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| 17:30.10 | VampirePenguin | ty dpkg ur da greatest |
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| 17:31.23 | simonrvn | o_O |
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| 17:32.04 | Shizen | evening folks |
| 17:32.21 | Shizen | question : how to reinstate grub after Windows successfully 'blanked' it out ? |
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| 17:32.44 | Shizen | or perhaps other bootloader solution |
| 17:33.04 | simonrvn | grub-install; boot from rescue/install cd; |
| 17:33.05 | salvin | Shizen, |
| 17:33.07 | salvin | no |
| 17:33.10 | warlock | what's the syntax to find a line in all of your files on your system? I want to search for the line "blablablabla_2" in all of my files |
| 17:33.15 | salvin | you must format windows |
| 17:33.26 | warlock | or in a dir will do as well |
| 17:33.37 | robin_sz | oh, bubbletrumps ... mrtg does not seem to handle negative numbers :( |
| 17:33.44 | Shizen | format windows doesn't solve the problem, I don't think... |
| 17:34.01 | salvin | :) |
| 17:34.15 | blubberdiblub | warlock: find /your/path -exec grep -H 'blabla' '{}' \; |
| 17:34.18 | salvin | solve some problem.... |
| 17:34.19 | Shizen | simonrvn : a little bit more detailed ? |
| 17:34.56 | SpeedyG | salvin: imo, that 'advice' is similar to telling anyone to rm his root recursively and forced ... :| |
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| 17:35.32 | ismael_ | how's the program that displays gears on screen called? |
| 17:35.40 | SpeedyG | ismael_: glxgears |
| 17:35.47 | rdz | how to send a directory wit 'ftp'? |
| 17:35.56 | SpeedyG | rdz: put |
| 17:36.04 | rdz | SpeedyG, thanks |
| 17:36.20 | ismael_ | thanks, SpeedyG, do you know what package it comes from? |
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| 17:36.34 | salvin | SpeedyG, is different |
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| 17:36.43 | SpeedyG | salvin: comparable then! |
| 17:37.02 | rdz | SpeedyG, folder/: not a plain file. |
| 17:37.05 | SpeedyG | ismael_: mesa-utils |
| 17:37.23 | Eclipser | is there some sort of proxy which would decide which port to redirect a http request depending on what the http request is? |
| 17:37.42 | ismael_ | SpeedyG: thanks :) |
| 17:37.58 | SpeedyG | rdz: maybe there's some recursive option to put, dunno exactly, I usualy use ncftp for txt-based ftp |
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| 17:38.30 | rdz | SpeedyG, thanks for mentioning ncftp then |
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| 17:40.41 | salvin | SpeedyG, have a bit more of humourism is good |
| 17:40.59 | abrotman | ismael_: never seen it |
| 17:41.01 | Cr3ature | is there any program for managing SSH connection sessions? |
| 17:41.15 | SpeedyG | salvin: oh, its not really that I do care much about it.. hell, for all I care any idiot should get the rm advice, but there's some ops here that dont like that ;) |
| 17:41.19 | Cr3ature | so i can just click to open connection somewhere |
| 17:42.02 | anabain | can anybody help me to find out why X system does not obey changes after editing xorg.conf manually? Moreover, when# dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg , the script stops just after asking about mouse config, so screen resolution cannot be modified... |
| 17:42.19 | salvin | SpeedyG, the rm advice is dangerous |
| 17:42.26 | ismael_ | abrotman: I fixed it, it was a silly mistake, you're supposed to put the files from the zip in /lib/firmware without any extra path. When you unpack the tar, it puts the files on ipw2200-something/. I just moved them to /lib/firmware and it worked |
| 17:42.42 | abrotman | ismael_: ah .. yes |
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| 17:42.49 | salvin | but who dont' know what's a format? |
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| 17:43.40 | SpeedyG | salvin: ok, got a point there ;) if they're able to get on irc, they might even have a slight clue of what a format is ;) |
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| 17:48.41 | ismael_ | When I boot i get: "PCI: Cannot allocate resource region (number) of bridge (long number)" at the very beggining. What does that mean? is it bad? |
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| 17:52.17 | rdz | SpeedyG, nctfp is so much more confortable than ftp... thanks |
| 17:52.26 | SpeedyG | rdz: your welcome :) |
| 17:53.38 | pumpkin0 | [etch, xorg, radeon] is it possible to set a golbal gamma ? |
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| 17:55.32 | cahoot | set gamma in xorg.conf |
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| 17:57.35 | node_6 | does anyone know how to change compiz's settings once it's installed properly? I can't find an appropriate entry in any of gnome's menus |
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| 17:58.34 | nascentmind | t |
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| 17:59.18 | DustyBin | node_6: the solution to your problem is on compiz website |
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| 18:00.05 | laurelHardy | !list |
| 18:00.05 | dpkg | one warez list being sent to laurelhardy |
| 18:00.31 | DustyBin | !list |
| 18:00.31 | dpkg | one warez list being sent to dustybin |
| 18:00.35 | DustyBin | o_0 |
| 18:00.59 | shogunx | !bongswat |
| 18:00.59 | dpkg | i guess bongswat is "Hit the bong, man!" |
| 18:01.09 | lhadji | pumpkin0 - something like this should help - http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/xorg/2006-September/018215.html |
| 18:01.16 | blubberdiblub | hmm, does it send /dev/urandom in that case? *g* |
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| 18:02.12 | lhadji | pumpkin0, under the Monitor section :) |
| 18:02.18 | pumpkin0 | lhadji: thanks. I put the gamma-line into the wrong section .... |
| 18:03.24 | ismael_ | When I boot i get: "PCI: Cannot allocate resource region (number) of bridge (long number)" at the very beggining. What does that mean? is it bad? |
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| 18:09.09 | lhadji | ismael_, does it happen on a laptop? |
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| 18:10.44 | ismael_ | lhadji: yes |
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| 18:11.20 | lhadji | ismael_, there is alot of stuff on google about it. Just have a search |
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| 18:17.14 | lhadji | ismael_, some people updating their bios helped them |
| 18:17.42 | eth01 | error: "net.ipv4.tcp_syncookies" is an unknown key |
| 18:17.47 | eth01 | just changed that in sysctl.conf. |
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| 18:20.59 | ismael_ | lhadji: but the error means something's not working right? |
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| 18:23.07 | r-wolf | Xorg doesn't detect my ATI Radeon X700, although dpkg-reconfigure passed ok, how do I fix it? |
| 18:23.11 | QQmelo | anybody here knows any msn client in php? |
| 18:23.36 | lhadji | ismael_, not at all. people are saying on forums that it spits out but everything works fine.. Some people are saying its a kernel code error. Since people had the error on one version of a distro.. but didn't have it on another |
| 18:23.46 | abrotman | QQmelo: ##php or google |
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| 18:24.00 | ismael_ | lhadji: ok, thanks |
| 18:24.43 | mbroeker | QQmelo, there are many irc clients in php available and bitlbee is a msn2irc gateway. Maybe you can try this combination... |
| 18:25.33 | r-wolf | last lines in Xorg.0.log: "PCI Mach64 in slot 1:0:0 could not be detected!" same with 1:0:1, then no devices detected, no screens found ( |
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| 18:25.46 | QQmelo | mbroeker |
| 18:25.57 | abrotman | r-wolf: leave the BusID blank |
| 18:26.03 | QQmelo | i need this script because i try when the firewall blocks msn |
| 18:26.10 | QQmelo | and meebo, and another pages |
| 18:27.03 | abrotman | maybe your company doesn't want you on MSN |
| 18:27.04 | vchrizz | how do i find out the static ip address of my modem? ive set the ip by myself, but since last night i cant ping/connect to the ip... im looking with wireshark but see just my pppoe connection and some arp packets requesting ips which arent there |
| 18:27.11 | r-wolf | abrotman: thanks, I'll try it now |
| 18:28.04 | kstar | Hi. I'm having trouble with exim4. |
| 18:28.06 | vchrizz | QQmelo, look what ports you are able to use... connect via ssh to your box and tunnel your msn connection ;) |
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| 18:28.21 | kstar | I use it to retrieve mail from GMail, and configured it as instructed on the Wiki. |
| 18:28.39 | kstar | It was working fine all these days, and suddenly no more outgoing mails are going. |
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| 18:29.31 | vchrizz | kstar: im not familar with mail daemons, but are you sure you're not on any spamblockerlist? |
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| 18:30.11 | kstar | vcrhizz: What exactly do you mean? Why would I be on one and how do I figure out? |
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| 18:32.02 | mbroeker | kstar, what happens if you try to send mails? common mtas produce quite moderate log messages on demand... |
| 18:33.01 | kstar | mbroeker: R=smarthost T=remote_smtp_smarthost defer (-53): retry time not reached for any host (from the exim mainlog) |
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| 18:33.56 | ManuP | how can i resize my ntfs-partition? gparted cant handle it. |
| 18:34.41 | kstar | Oops... seems to be working now. |
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| 18:35.05 | tarzeau | is there any place with public domain music? |
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| 18:35.24 | tarzeau | i need a few soundtracks like crash bandicoot has for a game |
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| 18:35.47 | r-wolf | abrotman: I've removed the line from xorg.conf, but nothing changed |
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| 18:37.47 | Eclipser | isn't there some utility to enable apache modules? |
| 18:38.05 | soczol | a2enmod :d |
| 18:38.16 | Eclipser | right, thanks |
| 18:38.21 | Eclipser | a bit too obfuscated name |
| 18:38.25 | soczol | yeah ;d |
| 18:38.44 | enouf | we're out of names.. |
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| 18:39.04 | Eclipser | lighty-enable-mod style is bad? :) |
| 18:39.24 | abrotman | r-wolf: can you paste your x log somewhere? |
| 18:39.38 | r-wolf | abrotman: just a minute |
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| 18:39.50 | spacix_ | Does anyone know some proper application for reading excel documents in debian? |
| 18:40.01 | spacix_ | something delivered in etch by default |
| 18:40.05 | enouf | oh, you're of the update-this-long-name --add some-other-crazy-long-name-here school |
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| 18:42.04 | Cr3ature | why does ntpdate give me wrong time? |
| 18:42.13 | Cr3ature | it gives me 13:42 |
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| 18:42.21 | Cr3ature | its 20:42 |
| 18:43.01 | soczol | probably a timezone issue |
| 18:43.11 | Cr3ature | huh? |
| 18:43.20 | r-wolf | abrotman: http://pastebin.ca/830029 |
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| 18:43.43 | Cr3ature | what do you mean |
| 18:43.47 | soczol | Cr3ature: does tzconfig show you the right timezone? |
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| 18:44.11 | Cr3ature | no such command |
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| 18:44.25 | Cr3ature | E: Couldn't find package tzconfig |
| 18:44.40 | abrotman | r-wolf: is 'xorg' installed ? |
| 18:44.44 | soczol | should be included with libc6 |
| 18:44.49 | soczol | if i'm not mistaken |
| 18:44.50 | enouf | er Linux debian 2.6.18-5-xen-vserver-686 #1 SMP Sun Dec 2 |
| 18:44.52 | r-wolf | abrotman: yes, it works ok |
| 18:45.00 | Cr3ature | libc6 is already the newest version. |
| 18:45.01 | abrotman | apparently not :) |
| 18:45.06 | soczol | Cr3ature: nothing at /usr/sbin/tzconfig, either? |
| 18:45.06 | folken | Cr3ature: 'date' will give you time + timezone |
| 18:45.10 | hark | he's running lenny |
| 18:45.21 | Cr3ature | soczol: nothing |
| 18:45.25 | r-wolf | abrotman: when launched under VM |
| 18:45.26 | soczol | okay, no idea then :D |
| 18:45.28 | abrotman | oh |
| 18:45.36 | Cr3ature | folken: Sun Dec 23 13:45:28 EST 2007 |
| 18:46.14 | blubberdiblub | Cr3ature: i believe you don't want EST ... that's an ambiguous identifier ... configure your timezone like Europe/City or whatever |
| 18:46.19 | folken | Cr3ature: your symlink /etc/timezone should point to /usr/share/zoneinfo/... |
| 18:46.33 | abrotman | !set the time |
| 18:46.33 | dpkg | To set the time in debian, use date --set. The truly enlightened user, however, will install ntp and adjtimex to have their clock set automatically on reboot and slewed to match time servers. You may also need to run tzconfig (sarge, etch), dpkg-reconfigure tzdata (lenny, sid), and make sure you have the right UTC setting in /etc/default/rcS first. |
| 18:46.36 | Cr3ature | there is no such link |
| 18:46.40 | hark | Cr3ature: dpkg-reconfigure tzdata |
| 18:46.45 | soczol | ah |
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| 18:47.04 | r-wolf | abrotman: I've copied the VM disk content to HDD, now trying to reconfigure Xorg |
| 18:47.14 | folken | Cr3ature: hark is correct. |
| 18:47.22 | Cr3ature | yea |
| 18:47.26 | Cr3ature | now its correct |
| 18:47.32 | folken | :) |
| 18:47.41 | Cr3ature | my TZ is EET |
| 18:47.57 | Cr3ature | whats the best timezone? |
| 18:48.05 | Cr3ature | the coolest |
| 18:48.05 | abrotman | r-wolf: lspci | grep VGA |
| 18:48.11 | folken | Cr3ature: some unix servers prefeer UTC |
| 18:48.15 | enouf | r-wolf: you have a PCI card also installed? |
| 18:48.17 | blubberdiblub | Cr3ature: well, i suggest you use the Continent/City format for your timezone, not the three-letter-thing |
| 18:48.17 | folken | greenwich time zone. |
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| 18:48.45 | Cr3ature | UTC is greenwich? |
| 18:49.12 | r-wolf | enouf: no, but the motherboard has its own video |
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| 18:49.27 | enouf | and it's enabled in BIOS? |
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| 18:50.16 | r-wolf | enouf: hmm, maybe; I'll check that now |
| 18:50.50 | ny | i hate the diffeent timezones -.- |
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| 18:51.31 | blubberdiblub | i hate daylight saving time ... |
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| 18:51.58 | yosef | Hi |
| 18:52.08 | simonrvn | join the club blubberdiblub |
| 18:52.23 | blubberdiblub | definitely, simonrvn :) |
| 18:52.26 | yosef | Hi peterS |
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| 18:52.53 | cusco | Cr3ature: I think UTC is greenwich with no daylight saving ajustments |
| 18:53.07 | ny | utc is gmt+0 |
| 18:53.09 | ny | :) |
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| 18:53.17 | yosef | I have problem, I remove my secondary VGA Card, after booting it fail to start X, how to reconfigure X? |
| 18:53.27 | cusco | ny: with no daylight savings adjustment?! |
| 18:53.43 | Tramp | cusco: http://www.apparent-wind.com/gmt-explained.html |
| 18:53.48 | ny | yes |
| 18:53.51 | abrotman | utc is not always gmt |
| 18:53.52 | cusco | yosef: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg |
| 18:53.53 | cusco | use vesa |
| 18:54.15 | cusco | then \I was right. Tramp: Cr3ature was asking not me |
| 18:54.45 | blubberdiblub | well, GMT is without daylight saving time adjustment as well, so for normal circumstances UTC = GMT |
| 18:55.26 | enouf | utc is weeks old :-P |
| 18:55.36 | dureyes | how do I tell debian to use my sd card for my home directory and to install future applications on the sd card? |
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| 18:56.16 | cusco | blubberdiblub: wrong in summer gmt+0 is utc+1 |
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| 18:56.52 | blubberdiblub | cusco: i believe you are wrong. with daylight saving applied, the time zones have different abbreviations |
| 18:57.07 | yosef | cusco: Oh, Thank you very much, it worked |
| 18:57.32 | Tramp | UTC is based on atomic clocks. A "mean time" is based on the rotation of the earth. |
| 18:58.01 | yosef | cusco: The option I was trying is dpkg -reconfigure with space ! |
| 18:58.06 | yosef | cusco: thank you |
| 18:58.09 | xsdg | UTC doesn't have leap-seconds either, iirc, whereas GMT does |
| 18:58.13 | cusco | yosef: no problem :p |
| 18:58.26 | enouf | xsdg: sure does |
| 18:58.36 | xsdg | enouf: hmm... |
| 18:58.36 | ny | did i tell, i am hating the different time zones? |
| 18:58.45 | enouf | 33 since we started using atomic clocks |
| 18:59.13 | enouf | how's that for a silly factoid O.o |
| 18:59.28 | HardDisk_WP | hi all |
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| 18:59.49 | HardDisk_WP | sis stated that their sis163u is supported on linux...i own a wlan stick w/ id 0457:0163 |
| 18:59.53 | enouf | UTC is not real time ;-) International Bureau of Weights and Measures recognizes time correct as weeks ago, and tell everyone to adkust accordingly from said measurements - since Atomic clocks have been in use - a total of 33 leap seconds has taken place over the years :-P |
| 18:59.58 | HardDisk_WP | google says nothing, only ndiswrapper |
| 19:00.06 | HardDisk_WP | anyone of you knowing a "real" driver? |
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| 19:00.28 | blubberdiblub | xsdg: UTC does include the leap seconds |
| 19:00.43 | QQmelo | anyone here knows palary.org? |
| 19:00.50 | xsdg | blubberdiblub: yeah, enouf already mentioned that |
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| 19:01.12 | r-wolf | ok |
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| 19:01.17 | blubberdiblub | ah, didn't see that, sorry |
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| 19:01.29 | r-wolf | abrotman: lspci|grep VGA -> 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc RV410 [Radeon X700 (PCIE)] |
| 19:01.33 | abrotman | QQmelo: what does this have to do with Debian ? |
| 19:01.43 | abrotman | r-wolf: paste your xorg.conf |
| 19:02.13 | r-wolf | the only bios setting about video is Primary controller, it is set to pci-x |
| 19:03.05 | pandrew | hey guys! when i try to connect to my wpa, aes encrypted wireless network, it takes a lot of time to connect, the connect times out for tens, or thousands of times, until it finally connects in a blink. Where do you think i should be looking for the problem? Or is there a way i can decrease the timeout to under 1 sec? here is the debug level 0 output of wpa_cli: http://pastebin.com/d27d47bde |
| 19:03.20 | r-wolf | abrotman: http://pastebin.ca/830054 |
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| 19:03.42 | abrotman | r-wolf: does the vesa driver work ? |
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| 19:04.30 | r-wolf | abrotman: should I just change Device/Driver to "vesa" th check it? |
| 19:06.07 | abrotman | sure |
| 19:06.53 | r-wolf | one reboot |
| 19:06.59 | abrotman | ok |
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| 19:10.26 | enouf | r-wolf pci-x != pci-e |
| 19:10.59 | teclo- | Evening. On lenny, the default Debian kernel sees IDE devices as /dev/hd* but the 2.6.23.12 I just built sees IDE devices as /dev/sd* . Of course, it cannot mount filesystems since the filesystems are /dev/hda* in /etc/fstab. How can I fix that ? |
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| 19:13.21 | Alt-SysRq | Hello! If this is the right place to ask wbout installing weekly build of Debian testing? |
| 19:13.23 | enouf | teclo-: livecd boot - basically (ls -l /dev/disk/by-* to get appropriate names/UUIDs/Labels/paths, cat /proc/partitions) - just edit /etc/fstab to reflect the changes |
| 19:14.09 | enouf | teclo-: also, alter /boot/grub/menu.lst (or do it from within the grub shell) |
| 19:14.09 | mbroeker | teclo-, sounds like you have scsi emu on in your new running kernel: try kernel option noscsi |
| 19:14.56 | enouf | i thought that too, but he says - oh crap - he built that one, nm |
| 19:15.10 | teclo- | mbroeker: ok |
| 19:15.12 | teclo- | enouf: thank you |
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| 19:15.28 | teclo- | mbroeker: can I recompile the kernel but with disabling SCSI emulation for IDE ? |
| 19:16.34 | r-wolf | abrotman: vith vesa driver, Xorg launched, but went down after login, the log is here: http://pastebin.ca/830067 |
| 19:16.38 | mc_ | do you know any decent bittorrent client that I can use on my server(so without X11). I'm currently using the bittorrent and bittornado package,but both of them do not support distributed tracking which sucks. |
| 19:16.45 | mbroeker | teclo-, everything is (and can be) scsi. i won't disable it. It's sometimes useful to have scsi emu support in the kernel. |
| 19:17.01 | enouf | teclo-: did you use make oldconfig - there are so many ways to bork a kernel config, it's not even funny |
| 19:17.03 | Alt-SysRq | I trying to install from iso-cd debian-testing-amd64-kde-CD-1.iso (17-Dec-2007 13:08) and getting "No kernel modules were found". I doing something wrong or is it possible that packagers forgotten to put necessary modules on cd? |
| 19:17.22 | teclo- | enouf: yes I did make oldconfig |
| 19:17.32 | abrotman | r-wolf: seems to not like the framebuffer |
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| 19:19.24 | wols_ | Alt-SysRq: install etch |
| 19:19.37 | wols_ | Alt-SysRq: beta installers arnot guaranteed to work |
| 19:20.01 | enouf | r-wolf: you said pci-x in BIOS, was that a typo? pci-x is not pci-e, but i doubt you have a mobo that has both |
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| 19:20.25 | r-wolf | enouf: sure, it is pci-e |
| 19:20.27 | wols_ | and there are certainly no PCI-X videocards.... |
| 19:20.35 | enouf | and .. does ati use DRI? |
| 19:20.43 | pti-jean | hello everybody, how is it possible to install i686-pc-linux-gnu-gcc please ? I'm trying to use a debian system for distcc |
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| 19:21.19 | teclo- | well I will sometimes boot the stock Debian kernel 2.6.22-3-686 and somtimes my kernel 2.6.23.12 ... so I can't boot a livecd and change sdxx to hdxx in /etc/fstab each time ! Isn't there some way to disable that scsi over ide emulation ? Note that I still need scsi to mount usb devices, I guess.... |
| 19:22.13 | lhadji | enouf, the open source ati driver? yes you can get dri working on it |
| 19:22.37 | simonrvn | problem: var on lvm is getting these errors - http://paste.debian.net/45479 - i've run badblocks on it already, FS is jfs. i would like to get my /var back online, how do i do this? i've run the fsck repeatedly. only thing i can think of is move the data off /var, reformat /var and put the data back on. |
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| 19:24.59 | mbroeker | teclo-, the boot option FOR ide-scsi is kernel /vmlinuz root=/dev/sda1 ide=ide-scsi. |
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| 19:26.13 | teclo- | mbroeker: ok... and how can I *disable* the scsi-over-ide emulation ? |
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| 19:26.59 | enouf | r-wolf: i know the card iself is pci-e, but that failure references some old assed Mach64 PCI card, lol - is that an nvidia tnt m64? |
| 19:27.08 | enouf | lhadji: nice then |
| 19:27.18 | simonrvn | DustyBin, it's pretty rare =) |
| 19:27.44 | mbroeker | teclo-, i think that your kernel config lacks support for your ide chipset and udev loads ide-scsi as a fallback. |
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| 19:28.14 | lhadji | enouf, with my experience.. it works well enough for 3d desktop and any other use besides heavy gaming. reason being, it is like 5-6 times slower than fglrx |
| 19:28.16 | enouf | wols_: right duh (smacks head), agp or pci-x |
| 19:28.21 | teclo- | mbroeker: depends of which kernel... 2.6.22 sees my disks as hd* and 2.6.23 sees them as sd* |
| 19:28.44 | enouf | lhadji: i see - i bet it varies eoending on which card also |
| 19:29.02 | enouf | s/eoending/depending |
| 19:29.17 | r-wolf | enouf: well, I've got no idea why that Mach64 appeared in the log :/ |
| 19:29.31 | lhadji | enouf sure. I mean hey, i have a 9800xt so for all i know the dri for my card sucks. but i know that on radeon driver(ati) i get 2000fps on glxgears. and on fglrx like 8000. but i dont need any faster than 2000 so all is good |
| 19:29.49 | enouf | r-wolf: you already said you have Integrated Video - not to mention that's a VMwarez image, how about some specs |
| 19:30.12 | mbroeker | teclo-, is your ide-chipset driver in the running kernel built-in? |
| 19:30.42 | enouf | lhadji: well, i know support is for up to 9550 iirc, then skips up to X850 (but not fully) |
| 19:31.04 | enouf | lhadji: like from 7000-9550 (or is it 9250) |
| 19:31.10 | teclo- | mbroeker: good question... lemme check |
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| 19:31.49 | teclo- | mbroeker: it's probably ide_disk, which is a module |
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| 19:32.47 | lhadji | enouf, i'm not sure. However i do know the manual for ati is out of date |
| 19:32.47 | r-wolf | enouf: the chipset is Intel G965 |
| 19:32.55 | mbroeker | teclo-, so far, i cannot assist. i have a self-baken kernel and never, really never used a distribution kernel except for installing. |
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| 19:33.27 | teclo- | mbroeker: yeah, I like to compile my kernel, but to me it's kinda "stupid" one kernel wants ide as /dev/hd* and the other as /dev/sd* |
| 19:33.28 | enouf | lhadji: ok, so i guess if you use fglrx, you disable xorg's dri/drm? is that correct? |
| 19:33.46 | teclo- | mbroeker: especially when the IDE controller isn't anything special |
| 19:33.47 | jess | Installing debian testing on a laptop, X freezes + vid corruption, screen slowly turns white - I get this error in the X log: xf86CloseConsole: KDSETMODE/VT_GETMODE failed: bad file descriptor |
| 19:34.01 | enouf | r-wolf: and where did this "image" come from? which machine? another? |
| 19:34.27 | lhadji | enouf, well yeah. you dont use libgl1-mesa-dri and libgl1-mesa-glx for fglrx :) |
| 19:34.39 | r-wolf | enouf: it worked under VMware, then I copied it to real box |
| 19:34.42 | enouf | lhadji: ok then ;-) |
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| 19:35.18 | wols_ | teclo-: use UUIDs to mount |
| 19:35.24 | timonator | hello folks. i have a problem with the debian netinst image, which i just downloaded, for i386: |
| 19:35.26 | wols_ | teclo-: no more hda/sda problems |
| 19:35.33 | blubberdiblub | teclo-: have you disabled BLK_DEV_IDESCSI in the config? |
| 19:35.41 | timonator | when shredding the hard drive prior to partitioning for LVM with encryption it freezes |
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| 19:35.49 | enouf | r-wolf: same box? vmwarez isn't going to use your real video, it's going to simulate your hardware, iirc |
| 19:36.05 | timonator | with the graphical installer i got to 3/4 and now with the ncurses-ish installer it's stuck at 43% |
| 19:36.08 | jess | can anyone tell me what this means: KDSETMODE/VT_SETMODE failed: Bad file descriptor |
| 19:36.10 | wols_ | enouf: you're right. S3 trio or somesuch |
| 19:36.15 | timonator | can i tell the installer to not shred the hard drive before partitioning? |
| 19:36.44 | r-wolf | enouf: yes, the same box, there must be no link with real h/w though |
| 19:37.00 | teclo- | hm to mount my usb key, I need to enable SCSI disk support (BLK_DEV_SD) right? |
| 19:37.33 | wols_ | teclo-: what's wrong with UUIDs? or mountng by label? |
| 19:37.41 | enouf | wols_: right - and for his, he's got this (WW) ATI: PCI Mach64 in slot 1:0:0 could not be detected! - which is followed by EE No devices detected |
| 19:37.57 | teclo- | wols_: I hate mounting by UIUD |
| 19:38.05 | enouf | wols_: jfyi, xorg.0.log http://pastebin.ca/raw/830029 |
| 19:38.39 | enouf | wols_: i tried telling him about all the options is /dev/disk/by-* |
| 19:38.47 | blubberdiblub | teclo-: i'm not talking about scsi support. you can enable that without problems. i'm talking about the ide scsi emulation. try it with that turned off |
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| 19:39.34 | wols_ | teclo-: my guess is by lenny UUIDs will be used by default |
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| 19:39.40 | teclo- | blubberdiblub: yes but... how do I turn off the ide scsi emulation ? |
| 19:39.56 | teclo- | wols_: I just did a fresh install of lenny and it doesnt use UIUD |
| 19:40.04 | enouf | teclo-: when you did make oldconfig, what did you change? and why? |
| 19:40.11 | blubberdiblub | teclo-: well, you configured your kernel, didn't you? just configure that option off :) |
| 19:40.22 | enouf | teclo-: and did you use debian's lenny kernel config as you oldconfig? |
| 19:40.37 | teclo- | blubberdiblub: yes but what is the name of the option ? |
| 19:40.48 | enouf | heh, there are many mi amigo |
| 19:40.52 | teclo- | enouf: of course not, I used a .config I had done myself |
| 19:41.03 | enouf | well, duh - no wonder why |
| 19:41.25 | blubberdiblub | teclo-: BLK_DEV_IDESCSI |
| 19:41.32 | enouf | teclo-: how about an initrd? got one of those on your new kernel? |
| 19:41.38 | wols_ | teclo-: lenny isn't released yet |
| 19:41.56 | teclo- | enouf: yes, I am using an initrd |
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| 19:42.25 | enouf | oh boy - where'd t come from (/me is afraid to ask, heh) |
| 19:43.22 | mbroeker | teclo-, without the initrd your system would produce a kernel panic startup error. |
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| 19:43.31 | vn | hi, I'm trying to setup ssl for my proftpd from a tutorial that works for everybody but I get this message, what can I do? : Starting ftp server: proftpd - Fatal: unknown configuration directive 'TLSEngine' on line 28 of '/etc/proftpd/proftpd.conf' failed! |
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| 19:44.04 | teclo- | # CONFIG_BLK_DEV_IDESCSI is not set |
| 19:44.06 | teclo- | :q |
| 19:44.20 | jess | can anyone tell me what this means (xorg log): KDSETMODE/VT_SETMODE failed: Bad file descriptor |
| 19:44.36 | vn | or..how can I get proftpd with ssl support on debian? |
| 19:45.19 | mbroeker | vn, first of all: do you load the tls module in /etc/proftpd/modules? |
| 19:45.31 | timonator | how do i keep the debian installer from shredding the hard drive prior to formatting the encrypted LVM stuff? |
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| 19:45.55 | Ronin | timonator: dont think you can |
| 19:45.56 | vn | mbroeker: if you mean the IfModule thingy in proftpd.conf, yes |
| 19:46.26 | timonator | oh man |
| 19:46.32 | mbroeker | vn, no thats too late. you need a LoadModule Directive. |
| 19:46.38 | timonator | it's already been shredded twice |
| 19:46.43 | vn | ... |
| 19:46.46 | vn | there we are |
| 19:46.50 | vn | lmfao |
| 19:47.07 | timonator | partially... 9/10 before the comp froze |
| 19:48.06 | Ronin | and if you dont do an encrypted install does it work? |
| 19:48.06 | vn | also, I have a TLSEngine directive outside the IfModule and inside...should it be at both places or only in the 2nd? |
| 19:48.31 | vn | mbroeker: just added LoadModule mod_tls.c |
| 19:48.40 | timonator | Ronin: then it won't wipe the disk and won't encrypt |
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| 19:48.47 | mbroeker | vn, and then? does it work? |
| 19:48.53 | vn | same error |
| 19:49.04 | timonator | however, encryption is the sole reason for dumping archlinux and putting debian onto this laptop |
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| 19:49.13 | Ronin | timonator: yes i know, that wasnt the point, does it install if you dont do that? and why the paranoia? |
| 19:49.23 | timonator | i'm going to the 24c3 |
| 19:49.33 | timonator | it's not paranoia to go there with an encrypted hard drive :) |
| 19:49.46 | timonator | other than that... i live in germany |
| 19:49.48 | vn | still getting 500 AUTH not understood |
| 19:49.59 | Alt-SysRq | wols_: thanks for respond, but I want fresh testing distrib. I'll try netinst... |
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| 19:50.08 | vn | or the above error if I uncomment the TLSEngine on outside the IfModule |
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| 19:50.33 | Ronin | must be something i dont understand, the germany comment and why run something that just makes life compliacated |
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| 19:50.38 | Ronin | timonator: checked teh bts? |
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| 19:51.34 | timonator | bts? |
| 19:51.34 | timonator | ah |
| 19:51.36 | timonator | bug tracker |
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| 19:51.49 | wols_ | Ronin: have you ever been at defcon? |
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| 19:51.58 | Ronin | wols_: heh nope |
| 19:52.08 | wols_ | Ronin: would you go there with an unsecured machine? |
| 19:52.32 | Ronin | wols_: sure, no one gives a damn what 90+% of us have on a machine |
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| 19:53.13 | Ronin | its like watching folks trying to get proxies working properly for me |
| 19:53.25 | timonator | searched, no results :/ |
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| 19:55.52 | vn | mbroeker: got more ideas? :\ |
| 19:56.01 | jess | where is the /etc/conf.d/xdm file on debian? |
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| 19:56.21 | timonator | Ronin: comment about germany == germanys government is going crazy with surveillance and the big brother crap right now |
| 19:56.35 | Ronin | timonator: sure you're not talking about the u.s? heh |
| 19:56.42 | mbroeker | vn, no i played 30 secs with it and lost interest. |
| 19:56.59 | timonator | hah |
| 19:57.05 | vn | nah, he's right, germany does alot of surveillance because of terros |
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| 19:57.18 | vn | k, thanks mbroeker |
| 19:57.20 | timonator | ooooh the terrorfearpanic! |
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| 19:58.04 | jess | where is the /etc/conf.d/xdm file on debian? |
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| 19:58.20 | mbroeker | vn, i have proftpd installed: its an ordinary, anonymous ftp server. nobody is able to login except anonymous. |
| 19:58.47 | mbroeker | the rest goes over the ssh sftp subsystem. |
| 19:59.14 | enouf | jess: dpkg -L xdm |
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| 19:59.37 | wols_ | enouf: you sure it will show as a config file? |
| 19:59.55 | enouf | wols_: not entirely |
| 20:00.07 | vn | mbroeker: ok |
| 20:00.21 | Ronin | timonator: which release of debian? |
| 20:00.32 | enouf | http://packages.debian.org/etch/i386/xdm/filelist |
| 20:00.38 | hark | /etc/X11/xdm/ |
| 20:01.03 | enouf | wols_: if the person's coming from RH and wants the /etc/init.d/xdm file, iinm |
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| 20:01.33 | mick_home | hi everyone |
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| 20:01.56 | mick_home | how can i turn off messages that print to STDOUT when I'm in vim? |
| 20:02.10 | mick_home | i remember doing this once before |
| 20:02.10 | xand | hm |
| 20:02.16 | enouf | jess: you want to restart it and such? do /etc/init.d/xdm restart -- or if you want to choosee another, such as gdm or kdm, run dpkg-reconfigure ?dm |
| 20:02.17 | timonator | with > /dev/null ? |
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| 20:02.24 | SPF | vim 2>/dev/null |
| 20:02.31 | mick_home | nah - it was a setting |
| 20:02.34 | timonator | isn't 2> for stderr? |
| 20:02.46 | jess | enouf: I was looking for where to disable xstaticvt |
| 20:02.54 | SPF | er, yea |
| 20:03.03 | mick_home | i had something keep complaining (it printed to my terminal and everything in it) |
| 20:03.06 | enouf | jess: heh., ok , no idea offhand |
| 20:03.08 | jess | enouf: which some blog claims to fix my KDSETMOD/VT_GETMODE failed issue |
| 20:03.39 | enouf | jess: well you can grep -ir xstatic /etc/ perhaps |
| 20:03.46 | enouf | jess: well you can grep -ir xstaticvt /etc/ perhaps |
| 20:03.50 | wols_ | enouf: /etc/init.d/xdm is there by default, right in /etc/init.d/ :) |
| 20:04.02 | enouf | wols_: bingo! |
| 20:04.11 | enouf | ;-) |
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| 20:04.56 | jess | enouf: just tried that. besides, seems to be an xdm issue, and this is gdm... gar |
| 20:05.08 | enouf | wtf? |
| 20:05.15 | mick_home | i'm not even sure what to google |
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| 20:05.47 | hark | !kernel.printk |
| 20:05.48 | wols_ | enouf: deadrat puts init scripts in /etc/conf.d? |
| 20:05.50 | mick_home | i put in "turn off errors terminal" (and a bunch of variants) and all i get is errors in windows xp :-/ |
| 20:06.07 | mick_home | hark: that sounds familiar |
| 20:06.08 | hark | mick_home: /etc/sysctl.conf |
| 20:06.28 | jess | enouf: /join #xorg |
| 20:06.32 | jess | crap |
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| 20:06.43 | enouf | wols_: i think so - or /etc/rc.d/init.d/ and such - they split it up, iinm, into sysconfig stuff |
| 20:06.44 | xand | how do I get iceweasel to not use fonts in /usr/share/fonts/X11/ ? firefox on ubuntu doesn't use them :| |
| 20:07.06 | wols_ | xand: ask them how they do it? |
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| 20:07.22 | wols_ | xand: good luck btw :) |
| 20:07.27 | nascentmind | is there any official debian docs on installing flash player on 64bit machines? |
| 20:07.35 | enouf | xand: @-@ |
| 20:07.39 | xand | I asked in #firefox on irc.mozilla.org... seems safer |
| 20:07.48 | xand | !nspluginwrapper |
| 20:07.48 | dpkg | [nspluginwrapper] a wrapper allowing you to use 32-bit browser plugins in a native x86_64 browser. It is known to work with Flash and a few others. It is in <contrib> on testing/unstable, while unofficial *stable/Etch* packages are available at http://www.dipconsultants.com/debian/ |
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| 20:07.54 | xand | nascentmind: see above |
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| 20:08.19 | xand | enouf: what? :P |
| 20:08.33 | enouf | xand: me waves hOLa! ;-) |
| 20:09.07 | xand | :O |
| 20:09.17 | nascentmind | xand i followed the instructions on how to install nsplugin wrapper from mozilla site.. but it doesn't seem to work. |
| 20:09.59 | xand | nascentmind: what version of debian? |
| 20:10.13 | nascentmind | 4.0 |
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| 20:10.36 | xand | nascentmind: the instructions on the url above work for me |
| 20:10.36 | streuner | nascentmind: What does 'dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1' say? |
| 20:10.50 | abrotman | xand: HI! |
| 20:10.53 | xand | hi |
| 20:11.16 | timonator | hey! fun! |
| 20:11.19 | timonator | shredding froze again |
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| 20:11.50 | nascentmind | ii libc6 2.3.6.ds1-13etch2 GNU C Library: Shared libraries |
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| 20:12.34 | Ronin | timonator: tried wiping the drive clean before the install? |
| 20:12.38 | Ronin | just guessing now |
| 20:12.48 | xand | my shredder jammed due to damp paper |
| 20:12.49 | timonator | actually not |
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| 20:12.54 | vn | is there a ftp server I can install with ssl by default? |
| 20:12.56 | timonator | but: i already shredded 3/4 of it |
| 20:13.03 | timonator | and now it froze near the first /3 |
| 20:13.09 | Ronin | timonator: bad hardware? |
| 20:13.10 | xand | vn: why not use sftp? |
| 20:13.25 | vn | xand: lets try that |
| 20:13.33 | timonator | i don't believe so, what could be bad about it? |
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| 20:13.35 | xand | vn: sftp should Just Work |
| 20:14.06 | vn | xand: what's the packagename? |
| 20:14.37 | Ronin | vn: vsftpd |
| 20:14.47 | vn | ah, vsftpd == sftp? |
| 20:14.59 | Ronin | shit sorry vn i misread |
| 20:15.06 | Ronin | sftp is done through ssh |
| 20:15.06 | vn | heh no prob |
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| 20:15.10 | xand | vn: don't know, I never had to install it... it was there already |
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| 20:15.28 | vn | thats a client :\ |
| 20:15.35 | Ronin | timonator: if the drive was physically going would it shred? never done lvm so what do i know |
| 20:15.42 | xand | vn: sftp localhost... see if it works |
| 20:15.46 | timonator | huh? |
| 20:15.47 | paolob | Hi guys! what palmtop can I but that I can sincronize in debian with gnome's evolution? thank you! |
| 20:15.49 | timonator | physically going? |
| 20:15.59 | Ronin | timonator: as in dieing |
| 20:16.09 | vn | unless there's a web interfface for a ftp client...can't do much |
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| 20:16.26 | timonator | it worked just fine few minutes ago |
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| 20:17.06 | wad | How can I tell what speed eth0 is running at? |
| 20:17.25 | xand | vn: what? |
| 20:17.33 | xand | wad: use ethtool |
| 20:17.37 | enouf | ethtool eth0 for it;s settings |
| 20:17.41 | vn | xand: as far as I can see, sftp is a ftp client |
| 20:17.42 | wad | cool, thanks. |
| 20:17.48 | xand | vn: yes. |
| 20:17.54 | wols_ | vn: it's not. it acts like ftp but runs over ssh only |
| 20:18.00 | vn | well I'm looking for a server |
| 20:18.00 | vn | ok |
| 20:18.01 | xand | vnerm |
| 20:18.03 | xand | erm |
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| 20:18.10 | xand | the "sftp" command is an sftp client ;) |
| 20:18.12 | wols_ | vn: sshd is the server for sftp |
| 20:18.17 | vn | k |
| 20:18.26 | wols_ | xand: sftp is certainly no ftp protocol |
| 20:18.37 | ny | sftp stands for both |
| 20:18.41 | wols_ | maybe they tossed in ftp since it was so easy |
| 20:18.43 | xand | wols_: I'm not saying it's related to ftp |
| 20:18.54 | xand | but it is in terms of being an ftp |
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| 20:19.04 | vn | I need to connect to another ftp for backup and I need to have a secure ftp server...up to now, I can't get proftpd working on ssl |
| 20:19.11 | ny | sftp comes with the ssh package on debian |
| 20:19.17 | wad | GRRRR! My gigabit eth0 is running at 10MB/s AGAIN!! |
| 20:19.27 | wols_ | vn: use ssh. ftp is awkward |
| 20:19.28 | ny | outch wad |
| 20:19.30 | wols_ | !ftpmustdie |
| 20:19.30 | dpkg | FTP MUST DIE! http://wooledge.org/mywiki/FtpMustDie |
| 20:19.46 | wad | On my freaking FILE SERVER, no less! |
| 20:19.46 | vn | that I know |
| 20:19.48 | vn | scp ftw |
| 20:19.56 | koolhead17 | :-P |
| 20:20.00 | humbolto | I have a little little udev problem |
| 20:20.11 | wols_ | vn: sftp is a superset of scp basically |
| 20:20.21 | streuner | humbolto: What does 'dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1' say? |
| 20:20.24 | timonator | huh? what's my timezone? |
| 20:20.41 | timonator | CET == Central European Time == "Central"? |
| 20:20.52 | humbolto | streuner: ii libc6 2.3.6.ds1-13etch2 GNU C Library: Shared libraries |
| 20:20.53 | bolt | how can I easily get the ip address for an address, for use in a bash script? |
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| 20:21.02 | xand | timonator: don't you know what your timezone is? :P |
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| 20:21.05 | humbolto | streuner: The problem is simpler than you might expect |
| 20:21.26 | nkuttler | timonator: depends on where you live... |
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| 20:21.50 | timonator | germany |
| 20:21.54 | timonator | xand: gmt+1 |
| 20:21.59 | vn | c but well its not rly what I need...either I need a ssl ftp server or a ftp client that can be used thru a web interface (need to manage a lot of files and the box is console only) |
| 20:22.09 | xand | timonator: so why did you ask what it was? |
| 20:22.15 | timonator | i know i'm in gmt+1 and i know i'm in CET |
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| 20:22.22 | streuner | humbolto: run "tzconfig" and set timezone |
| 20:22.24 | timonator | but what the fuck is "pacific"? or "eastern"? |
| 20:22.26 | humbolto | I had 6 partitions each on two drives setup for raid. Now I have added another raid partition on each drive and I want to "mdadm -C /dev/md6". But no md6 exists. |
| 20:22.29 | xand | timonator: american |
| 20:22.34 | abrotman | i thought proftpd already had ssl support |
| 20:22.35 | Ronin | timonator: if you dont know you dont need them, |
| 20:22.40 | Ronin | basically |
| 20:22.42 | Cusoon959 | So I uninstalled a LAMP stack.. and rm -rf'ed /etc/apache2...now I'm trying to reinstall it via apt and it doesn't create a config file in /etc/apache2...it just creates an empty folder in /etc/apache2 called mods-available |
| 20:22.43 | timonator | is it "central" america or "central" europe or "central" milkyway? |
| 20:22.46 | Cusoon959 | Help? |
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| 20:22.55 | Ronin | timonator: none of the above |
| 20:22.57 | wad | Advertised link modes: 10baseT/Half 10baseT/Full, 100baseT/Half 100baseT/Full, 1000baseT/Full, Advertised auto-negotiation: Yes |
| 20:22.57 | wad | Speed: 10Mb/s |
| 20:23.05 | ny | cet = _C_entral _E_uropean _T_ime :) |
| 20:23.09 | wad | Any idea how come it's choosing the slowest speed? |
| 20:23.19 | abrotman | !info pure-ftpd |
| 20:23.24 | Cusoon959 | Anyone? I really need this LAMP stack :S |
| 20:23.24 | dpkg | pure-ftpd: (Pure-FTPd FTP server), section net, is optional. Version: 1.0.21-11.1 (sid), Packaged size: 144 kB, Installed size: 444 kB |
| 20:23.27 | humbolto | streuner: ??? You are confusing me with somebody. |
| 20:23.29 | xand | wad: you can get ethtool to change the speed |
| 20:23.32 | cahoot | wad: ethtool/mii-tol? |
| 20:23.32 | wad | I just bounced the box, and it came back up at 10. |
| 20:23.38 | wad | xand: Thanks. |
| 20:23.44 | xand | mii-tool doesn't work on gigabit cards |
| 20:23.46 | vn | abrotman: it does but I can't get it to work |
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| 20:24.03 | timonator | yeah and CENTRAL == Central EuropeaN Timezone RL |
| 20:24.06 | nkuttler | Cusoon959: reinstall, purge, reinstall. or man dpkg, see force-confmiss |
| 20:24.06 | timonator | AL* |
| 20:24.13 | timonator | RAL* |
| 20:24.19 | nkuttler | Cusoon959: and never rm -rf config files again... |
| 20:24.26 | Cusoon959 | nkuttler: OK :) |
| 20:24.27 | humbolto | how do I create more md (RAID) devices, when udev is active? |
| 20:24.28 | Cusoon959 | Thanks |
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| 20:26.07 | abrotman | vn: did you check /usr/share/doc/<package>/ ? |
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| 20:26.54 | Ronin | timonator: this help any? heh http://www.worldtimezone.com/index24.php |
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| 20:28.35 | timonator | Ronin: it doesn't say what "Central" stands for ;) |
| 20:28.43 | vn | abrotman: yeah, there isn't much so I googled and followed some tutorials, which are pretty much the same.. |
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| 20:29.08 | Ronin | timonator: america bacically |
| 20:29.10 | Ronin | basically |
| 20:29.12 | timonator | oh |
| 20:29.17 | timonator | gorgeous |
| 20:29.28 | Ronin | Central Time Zone ~ USA & Canada |
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| 20:29.39 | humbolto | I have to less md device nodes in /dev. How can I get more? |
| 20:29.42 | timonator | well, this setup's going to be blown apart again anyway |
| 20:29.59 | humbolto | MAKEDEV does not do the trick, due to udev being active! |
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| 20:30.50 | Cusoon959 | nkuttler: Now apache WON'T STOP |
| 20:31.05 | streuner | you usually dont need MAKEDEV if you running udev |
| 20:31.07 | Cusoon959 | nick@Monstar:~$ sudo /etc/init.d/apache2 stop |
| 20:31.07 | Cusoon959 | Stopping web server (apache2)...grep: /etc/apache2/*: No such file or directory failed! |
| 20:31.56 | wad | ethtool fails to bring up eth0 in gigabit. (This is the command I used: ethtool -s eth0 speed 1000) |
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| 20:32.06 | wad | Any ideas on diagnosing this problem? |
| 20:32.19 | abrotman | Cusoon959: killall apache ? |
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| 20:32.38 | wad | I rebooted the box, did "/etc/init.d/networking restart", and tried a bunch of stuff with ethtool. It remains at 10MB/s speed. :( |
| 20:32.45 | Cusoon959 | abrotman: <3 |
| 20:32.47 | Cusoon959 | It worked |
| 20:33.17 | ny | wad: is the other side of ne network running at 1000? |
| 20:33.20 | wad | yes |
| 20:33.35 | wad | Maybe I should power-cycle my switch.... |
| 20:33.48 | wad | Hang on, I might lose connection.... |
| 20:34.05 | humbolto | streuner: but I don't have a /dev/md6. So I can't create a new autodetectable raid. Which results in udev not creating a device. Which prevents me from creating a raid again. |
| 20:34.20 | humbolto | streuner: seems like the chicken and egg problem. |
| 20:34.30 | timonator | can i kill the installer, modify it so it won't shred the disk and then restart it from the livecd? |
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| 20:35.37 | wad | Nope, cycling the power didn't help. |
| 20:35.46 | wad | power on the gigabit switch, that is. |
| 20:37.17 | wad | I just verified that other boxen on the network are indeed connected at gigabit. |
| 20:37.22 | humbolto | abrotman: You usually have an answer to everything - and usually the right ones. Do you have any idea how I can get more RAID md device nodes in /dev? |
| 20:37.29 | wad | Is there a logfile somewhere that might help me here? |
| 20:37.47 | abrotman | humbolto: MAKEDEV ? |
| 20:38.01 | abrotman | humbolto: really .. shouldn't you just use the mdadm stuff to make new raid devices? |
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| 20:38.20 | humbolto | abrotman: that's what I did. |
| 20:38.47 | abrotman | i don't use swraid .. but shouldn't they magically appear ? |
| 20:38.56 | humbolto | abrotman: see, that's what I do: mdadm --create /dev/md6 -n 2 -l 1 /dev/sda8 /dev/sdb8 |
| 20:39.09 | humbolto | abrotman: and that's what I get: mdadm: error opening /dev/md6: No such file or directory |
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| 20:39.46 | humbolto | abrotman: and yes, they magically appear, if the raid superblock is aleady on the drives. Only then they can be autodetected. |
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| 20:40.36 | humbolto | abrotman: wants to hug my hwraid too, but I have none. |
| 20:41.12 | wad | hardware raids... expensive, but nice, I'm told. |
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| 20:41.43 | humbolto | wad: any idea? |
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| 20:43.17 | wad | I fixed it! |
| 20:43.22 | humbolto | I'll just boot the rescue system and create all dev nodes I can possibly create. Is that in any way stupid (lead to probems)? |
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| 20:43.28 | wad | init 6 wasn't good enough. Had to power-down, then up again. |
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| 20:44.52 | wad | WOW, look at the speed! Time to copy my files went from 3.5 hours, to 4 minutes!!!! |
| 20:44.55 | BlueToothz | hey debian people. how well will debian perform with 768 memory, vs 256 memory |
| 20:44.58 | Schuyler | hola! question: what's the right arch to install on an Intel Core2Quad system? |
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| 20:45.15 | wad | BlueToothz: Doing what kind of stuff? |
| 20:45.15 | Schuyler | BlueToothz: I think any OS will generally perform better with more RAM |
| 20:45.34 | lhadji | BlueToothz, 3 times as fast :D? |
| 20:46.03 | BlueToothz | wad; ircing, ssh |
| 20:46.04 | wad | BlueToothz: If you're playing BZFlag, more memory might help. If you're running SpamAssassin, more memory is definitely useful. If you're hosting some tiny website with no traffic, no big deal. |
| 20:46.19 | wad | BlueToothz: Don't buy the RAM, then. |
| 20:46.39 | eth01 | !tell eth01 about hostname |
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| 20:47.23 | zimnyx | Hello. Alt-SysRq-K instead of killing all processes connected to current console, changes loglevel to 2. Any Ideas why? (btw Alt-SysRq-1..9 doesn't change loglevel as it should be) |
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| 20:48.50 | ny | hm i seeking of a industry, and getting on the english name, if someone seels houses and also buiolds them -.- |
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| 20:49.06 | CryptoMole | hi all |
| 20:49.34 | CryptoMole | how can I get a sid package using etch |
| 20:49.41 | Ronin | ny: this has what to do with debian? |
| 20:50.10 | ny | sure, you can run your databases and software on a debian box :P |
| 20:50.55 | wad | ny: "real estate industry" for buying and selling houses. "residential construction" for building. |
| 20:50.59 | Ronin | !tell CryptoMole about simple sid backport |
| 20:51.04 | ny | thanks ;) |
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| 20:51.30 | eth01 | ssh: connect to host localhost port 22: Connection refused ? |
| 20:51.37 | wad | English is a truly horrible language. I apologize on behalf of everyone who takes it for granted. |
| 20:52.10 | Ronin | dont apologize on my behalf thank you very much |
| 20:52.37 | eth01 | heh |
| 20:52.42 | eth01 | why so? |
| 20:53.06 | eth01 | it is, 'easy'. |
| 20:53.09 | abrotman | english isn't that bad |
| 20:53.16 | Ronin | wad: no easier or harder then any other language if its not your native tongue |
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| 20:53.28 | CryptoMole | Ronin, backports? |
| 20:53.29 | Ronin | fact its a lot easier then many i think |
| 20:53.37 | wad | Um... not to be rude, but how many languages are you fluent in? (And don't say perl!) |
| 20:53.43 | Ronin | wad: none |
| 20:54.14 | abrotman | i can second that .. Ronin's english skills are awful |
| 20:54.15 | Ronin | wad: english is my native language, i can speak some french, german and i can seriously mangle cantonese |
| 20:54.34 | Ronin | which is a major pita to learn i must say |
| 20:54.39 | wad | :) |
| 20:54.53 | simonrvn | you think english is hard? hehe |
| 20:55.01 | Nyle | wad: Where's All the Data? |
| 20:55.02 | Ronin | thanks for backing me up abrotman, appreciate it heh |
| 20:55.09 | Nyle | simonrvn: hi |
| 20:55.11 | simonrvn | hi |
| 20:55.17 | eth01 | ssh: connect to host localhost port 22: Connection refused ? .. wth? |
| 20:55.24 | Ronin | eth01: ssh isnt running? |
| 20:55.25 | Nyle | eth01: is sshd running |
| 20:55.30 | eth01 | yep. |
| 20:55.33 | abrotman | Ronin: don't mention it .. well .. i'm sure if you tried you'd mangle it :) |
| 20:55.38 | Ronin | smart ass |
| 20:55.40 | abrotman | hehe |
| 20:55.41 | Nyle | eth01: /etc/init.d/ssh start |
| 20:55.45 | wad | In my experience, even super-smart people who didn't pick up English as a child, have a horrible time with it. |
| 20:55.48 | simonrvn | um, right. connection refused, either not running or diff. port... |
| 20:55.58 | eth01 | Nyle, i've just /told/ you that it's working. |
| 20:56.12 | Ronin | eth01: who are you trying to connect as? |
| 20:56.13 | Nyle | eth01: apparantly not! ZOMG! |
| 20:56.17 | teclo- | okay folks, building this 2.6.23 is getting a pain ! |
| 20:56.29 | teclo- | I've got: # CONFIG_BLK_DEV_IDESCSI is not set |
| 20:56.34 | eth01 | a user on that particular system (eth01) |
| 20:56.38 | ismael_ | my system says it fails to set the system clock when booting. How do I fix it? |
| 20:56.41 | eth01 | i do ssh eth01@localhost |
| 20:56.47 | teclo- | but the kernel still islooking for /dev/sdx drivers, not /dev/hdx drives ! |
| 20:56.48 | Ronin | eth01: try the ip |
| 20:56.49 | teclo- | thisis apain |
| 20:56.51 | eth01 | i'm thinking its a hosts issue? |
| 20:56.52 | Nyle | ismael_: ntpdate |
| 20:57.22 | ismael_ | Nyle: I have that installed and configured under KDE (the clock uses it) |
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| 20:57.48 | ismael_ | So what happens at boot isn't relevant? How do I get rid of it? |
| 20:57.54 | Nyle | ismael_: you have another OS on the drive? |
| 20:58.06 | ismael_ | Nyle: yes, a windows xp |
| 20:58.09 | wad | "All in all, I'd say it is easy to begin with, but it gets a lot harder. if your goal is to reach fluency, then English is not an easy language. It has an enormous vocabulary, its spelling system is a mess and there are many tricky little rules." From http://www.usingenglish.com/weblog/archives/000037.html. I think I agree with that summary. |
| 20:58.09 | odla | if i install upstart to replace sysinit do i need to do anything special? |
| 20:58.10 | Nyle | there ya go |
| 20:58.22 | Nyle | its utc vs gmt |
| 20:58.24 | Nyle | innit? |
| 20:58.31 | simonrvn | wad, those points are completely valid |
| 20:58.38 | Nyle | wad: answer my question please |
| 20:58.57 | ismael_ | Nyle: but the message happens everytime I boot. I booted Debian 4 or 5 times in a row now |
| 20:59.06 | Nyle | ismael_: its not harmful |
| 20:59.17 | Ronin | wad: try cantonese if you think english is hard, damn tones are the death of me |
| 20:59.23 | teclo- | also someone recommended to start with the .config of the Debian stock kernel, but where can I find it ? |
| 20:59.23 | Nyle | yo |
| 20:59.29 | Nyle | you think english is hard |
| 20:59.35 | Nyle | try learning proper Urdu |
| 20:59.42 | cahoot | teclo-: why are so intent on idescsi? |
| 20:59.47 | Nyle | thats like 5+ langauges mixed tgoher |
| 20:59.50 | ismael_ | Nyle: but it takes like 20 seconds (it tries twice!) it's an eternity in a laptop boot |
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| 21:00.01 | Nyle | ismael_: ah hm |
| 21:00.11 | Ronin | heh i bet that was written by a non native speaker, thats always tough |
| 21:00.20 | itchi | wad: So you cean understood my problemes? :-p |
| 21:00.35 | Nyle | itchi: scratch it ;) whas up man! |
| 21:00.39 | Cr3ature | how do i find out what debian i have? |
| 21:00.45 | teclo- | cahoot: well the stock Debian kernel sees my IDE drives as /dev/hdx and my 2.6.23 kernel sees them as /dev/sdx ... So in /etc/fstab I've set them up as /dev/hdx ... but of course when it boots 2.6.23, it can't mount them, because they are /dev/sdx |
| 21:00.47 | itchi | Nyle: Much :-p |
| 21:00.48 | Nyle | !version |
| 21:00.48 | dpkg | Kernel: uname -r. Debian: cat /etc/debian_version. and: dpkg -l libc6 | tail -n 1. Package: dpkg -l _pkgname_. Miscellaneous: try --version on the command. check /etc/apt/sources.list; run apt-cache policy <packagename>, or lsb_release -a, or cat /proc/version |
| 21:00.48 | Ronin | Cr3ature: cat /etc/debian_version |
| 21:01.03 | simonrvn | i still say english is not hard to learn. wad, that's mostly talking about *written* english |
| 21:01.17 | Nyle | proper written english no piece of cake |
| 21:01.18 | cahoot | teclo-: why not adjust fstab - use uuid |
| 21:01.19 | wols_ | teclo-: use labels and label them hda1, hda2, etc |
| 21:01.28 | Nyle | spoken english isn't a problem at all to learn |
| 21:01.29 | simonrvn | spoken is very easy. easier is spanish so i hear, esp. written |
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| 21:01.37 | wad | Ronin: That's because you're a native English speaker. Try figuring out when to use "its" vs "it's", and "that" vs "that that", and "this" vs "these" if you're a native speaking of Chinese, trying to learn English. |
| 21:01.46 | Ronin | wad: my point exactly thank you |
| 21:01.54 | simonrvn | wad, and i'm not a "native english' speaker. your point? |
| 21:01.56 | itchi | simonrvn: You never hear me speaking some engelisch :-) |
| 21:01.56 | Nyle | wad: I have to deal with that every day and I try my best to figure out the other person |
| 21:01.58 | nascentmind | i am getting an error -->or processing /var/cache/apt/archives/nspluginwrapper_0.9.91.4-1_amd64.deb (--unpack): trying to overwrite `/usr/lib/nspluginwrapper/i386/linux/npviewer.bin', which is also in package nspluginwrapper-i386 |
| 21:02.13 | simonrvn | wad, that's not hard |
| 21:02.16 | Ronin | wad: depending how i say the word four in cantonese it is either the number or dead/death |
| 21:02.17 | wols_ | simonrvn: at what age did you learn english? |
| 21:02.20 | Nyle | wad: I work where people say "its mean you have do this" (it means you have to do this) |
| 21:02.20 | nascentmind | while installing nspluginwrapper |
| 21:02.29 | simonrvn | 8 |
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| 21:02.35 | Nyle | wad: "my friend, I want to see you something, come here" |
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| 21:02.44 | wad | Kids absorb languages like a sponge. It's amazing. |
| 21:02.45 | Nyle | wad: "I want to show you somethign, come here" |
| 21:02.46 | simonrvn | start to, wasn't fluent until about 10 or 12 |
| 21:02.57 | Nyle | these guys I work with, fresh out of india |
| 21:03.06 | Nyle | can't hardly speak english |
| 21:03.17 | Nyle | buts understandable |
| 21:03.28 | ismael_ | How do I disable the setting of system clock at boot time? |
| 21:03.36 | simonrvn | fixing it works |
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| 21:03.49 | BWGames | i think it depends a lot on the person, a mate of mine who's never been to england for more than 2 weeks, speaks it *perfectly*, couple of mates at uni in england for 4 years, ok, but still some mistakes |
| 21:04.03 | cahoot | ismael_: might try --drictisa as option to hwclock |
| 21:04.17 | Nyle | wad: let me learn you debian |
| 21:04.23 | wad | The first 90%, not too bad. The last 10%.... yuck. |
| 21:04.31 | nascentmind | any ways how i can fix this nspluginwrapper problem? |
| 21:04.32 | cahoot | ismael_: err --directisa |
| 21:04.56 | timonator | how can i tell the debian installer to skip shredding the hard drive? |
| 21:05.24 | wad | heh, reminds me of a joke I got in my email. The downside of outsourcing: "I was depressed the other day, so I called the lifeline number. Got transferred to call center in Pakistan. When I told them I was depressed, they got all excited and wanted to know if I could drive a truck." |
| 21:05.29 | ismael_ | cahoot: man says thats only meaningful on an ISA machine (what's that?) or an Alpha. This is an i386. |
| 21:05.56 | wad | mmm... s/depressed/suicidal/ # I think that's the way it was, actually. |
| 21:06.26 | wad | Wow, jokes are hard to tell on IRC. Especially when you munge them up. |
| 21:06.43 | cahoot | ismael_: nevertheless it's been suggested as a hack for the clocksetting problem |
| 21:07.03 | pmo_ | ismael i have similar problem, and solved it.. |
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| 21:07.18 | ismael_ | cahoot: indeed, it works... So how do I tell it to always use that switch? |
| 21:07.38 | Nyle | timonator: what do you mean? just don't do anything during the partitioning. if you are automating it, check how to seed the file properly in the debian install guide |
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| 21:07.51 | cahoot | ismael_: in /etc/default/hwclock (I think) |
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| 21:08.10 | timonator | Nyle: i don't understand; if i don't do anything it tried to shred the hard drive and freezes while doing it |
| 21:08.10 | pmo_ | ismael_, you have to use --directisa.. |
| 21:08.20 | Nyle | what do you mean shred? |
| 21:08.30 | ismael_ | pmo_: Where do I put the option so that it always uses that on boot? |
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| 21:08.38 | Nyle | if I understd you correctly you are saying that it tries to wipe the hd clean? |
| 21:08.39 | timonator | overwrite the hard drive with random data |
| 21:08.43 | timonator | yes |
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| 21:08.53 | pmo_ | ismael_, hwclock.sh:HWCLOCKPARS="--directisa" |
| 21:09.00 | Nyle | the debian installer shouldn't do that |
| 21:09.07 | timonator | it does |
| 21:09.07 | pmo_ | ismael_, /etc/init.d/hwclock.sh:HWCLOCKPARS="--directisa" |
| 21:09.12 | timonator | why should it not do that? |
| 21:09.37 | Nyle | because it doesn't do anything withour your input |
| 21:09.45 | Nyle | unless its a preseeded config file for installation |
| 21:09.47 | ismael_ | pmo_, cahoot: thanks a lot :) |
| 21:09.54 | Nyle | which means you didn't get the debian installer from debina.org |
| 21:09.55 | Nyle | maybe |
| 21:09.59 | timonator | i told it to make an lvm encrypted hard drive partitioning for me |
| 21:10.00 | Nyle | or you are not using debian |
| 21:10.08 | Nyle | oh the plot thickens |
| 21:10.30 | Nyle | wekll then yes |
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| 21:10.41 | Nyle | whatever is on the hdd will get destroyed in the process |
| 21:10.46 | Nyle | think of what you told it to do |
| 21:11.09 | Nyle | then type the letter D, then the lellter U, and then H, and then smile !:) |
| 21:11.09 | timonator | uh |
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| 21:11.26 | timonator | i am aware that all stuff is going to be wiped |
| 21:11.37 | timonator | the first 25% have already been wiped four times |
| 21:11.39 | VImtermute | ... |
| 21:11.40 | nascentmind | can anybody help me with flash for 64bit machines? |
| 21:11.40 | Nyle | then why are you asking if you can stop it from happenening |
| 21:11.44 | timonator | the next ~25% have been wiped three times |
| 21:11.51 | timonator | the following 25% have been wiped once |
| 21:11.53 | VImtermute | snd-intel8x0 module not found, what to do? |
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| 21:12.27 | itchi | VImtermute: Search for that module modprobe -l snd-intel* |
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| 21:13.15 | dryrot | how do i give a user permission to open a TAP/TUN interface ? |
| 21:13.25 | Nyle | let me finish this joint and call my boss, see if i can go into work tonight |
| 21:13.27 | dryrot | that user not being root |
| 21:13.28 | itchi | VImtermute: Did that give some output? |
| 21:13.30 | abrotman | put them in thee group |
| 21:13.31 | Nyle | I'm bored shitless at home |
| 21:13.38 | VImtermute | itchi, no |
| 21:13.48 | VImtermute | itchi, tried compiling them manually... |
| 21:13.52 | VImtermute | explodes in all sorts of ways |
| 21:13.53 | itchi | VImtermute: Well, did you compile youre own kernel? |
| 21:13.59 | VImtermute | itchi, nope |
| 21:14.06 | itchi | VImtermute: Which kernel do you use? |
| 21:14.12 | VImtermute | 2.4 |
| 21:14.24 | itchi | VImtermute: Doh! |
| 21:14.27 | VImtermute | :) |
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| 21:14.46 | VImtermute | i guess i should upgrade to 2.6 :> |
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| 21:15.28 | itchi | VImtermute: Yeah, or you may have some realy weird reasons |
| 21:15.48 | VImtermute | itchi, laziness, maybe ;) |
| 21:15.59 | itchi | VImtermute: Ages laziness :-) |
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| 21:20.05 | VImtermute | man |
| 21:20.14 | VImtermute | installing kernels is all too easy with apt |
| 21:20.16 | VImtermute | :) |
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| 21:22.02 | r-wolf | the saga continues... just booted from Ubuntu liveCD, Radeon X700 detected as Mach64, Xorg worked ok; then I copied Ubuntu xorg.conf to Debian, Xorg didn't start. |
| 21:22.30 | cosmodad | how can I unpack manually what apt-get source does automatically if I have orig.tar.gz, diff, and dsc files downloaded myself? |
| 21:22.43 | tarzeau | cosmodad: dpkg-source -x *.dsc |
| 21:22.51 | cosmodad | thanks |
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| 21:23.55 | r-wolf | should I recompile kernel in some way? |
| 21:24.12 | wols_ | r-wolf: at most upgrade X. what debian release? |
| 21:24.43 | r-wolf | wols_: etch, 2.6.18-5 |
| 21:24.46 | itchi | r-wolf: Take a look to you logs in /var and ask for help if the error is unclear |
| 21:25.46 | abrotman | hey look .. a spammer! |
| 21:25.47 | r-wolf | itchi: http://pastebin.ca/raw/830029 |
| 21:26.11 | simonrvn | spammer bot |
| 21:26.33 | simonrvn | kill it! kill it! |
| 21:26.34 | abrotman | WHERE?! |
| 21:26.37 | itchi | r-wolf: Well, all lines starting with (WW) may be "important" |
| 21:26.46 | abrotman | simonrvn: i tried .. i'm not a chanop! |
| 21:26.49 | simonrvn | * GiRL[24] (n=Seeyou@88.243.46.21) has joined #debian |
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| 21:27.41 | telexicon | Which is the preferred tool for patch management in debian packages? Is it dpatch? quilt? |
| 21:27.53 | itchi | r-wolf: Can you paste the xorg.conf ? |
| 21:27.55 | simonrvn | depends |
| 21:28.03 | simonrvn | people use what they like |
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| 21:28.15 | Dsit | http://trade-city.myminicity.com/ |
| 21:28.16 | Dsit | http://trade-city.myminicity.com/ |
| 21:28.19 | Dsit | plz clik |
| 21:28.20 | SRabbelier | Heya, I figured the problem i had with my font/resolution being too big, the system wide font is different (bigger) than what it was before, how can I set it? |
| 21:28.22 | simonrvn | Dsit, go away |
| 21:28.24 | itchi | telexicon: It's both two diff tools with another spirit |
| 21:28.25 | Dsit | heeey wats up |
| 21:28.26 | Dsit | http://trade-city.myminicity.com/ |
| 21:28.27 | Dsit | http://trade-city.myminicity.com/ |
| 21:28.28 | simonrvn | Dsit, go away |
| 21:28.28 | Dsit | http://trade-city.myminicity.com/ |
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| 21:28.49 | xand | tard |
| 21:28.50 | simonrvn | amazing s/he/it did |
| 21:28.54 | r-wolf | itchi: http://pastebin.ca/raw/830257 |
| 21:29.11 | SRabbelier | simonrvn, how did you do that? did you pet-train it? |
| 21:29.12 | simonrvn | xand, for sure |
| 21:29.25 | simonrvn | SRabbelier, o_O |
| 21:29.26 | r-wolf | itchi: it is working in Ubuntu |
| 21:29.36 | simonrvn | ubuntu isn't debian |
| 21:30.00 | bucky | email Dsit's isp abuse@cybercity.dk |
| 21:30.06 | abrotman | r-wolf: and vesa starts X but dies when you login ? |
| 21:30.11 | abrotman | bucky: you do it! |
| 21:30.17 | bucky | glad to |
| 21:30.18 | r-wolf | abrotman: it still does |
| 21:30.26 | itchi | r-wolf: Well, it use the ati driver |
| 21:30.29 | abrotman | r-wolf: how did you install fglrx ? |
| 21:30.32 | kbrooks | simonrvn, i looked at the code of that, and it recursively reloads the website :| |
| 21:30.48 | simonrvn | what a lamer thing to do |
| 21:30.57 | bucky | you know who responds to complaint emails like that? a bunch of stupid admins that don't want to be bothered |
| 21:31.25 | abrotman | bah .. just kline him :) |
| 21:31.27 | r-wolf | abrotman: it is just a copy of Ubuntu xorg.conf, autoconfigured |
| 21:31.38 | ny | :28:26) < Dsit> http://trade-city.myminicity.com/ |
| 21:31.38 | ny | (22:28:27) < Dsit> http://trade-city.myminicity.com/ |
| 21:31.38 | ny | (22:28:28) < simonrvn> Dsit, go away |
| 21:31.38 | ny | (22:28:28) < Dsit> http://trade-city.myminicity.com/ |
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| 21:31.43 | abrotman | smart |
| 21:31.43 | simonrvn | bucky, they're not me ;p |
| 21:31.52 | itchi | r-wolf: There are different drivers for "ati": readeon, fglrx and ati. Free (included) and the other one you need to install that ati crap |
| 21:31.55 | simonrvn | what a goofball, wtf? |
| 21:32.07 | xand | haha |
| 21:32.11 | ismael_ | I need help... Suspend to ram was working in ubuntu, I switched to Debian and now it doesn't :( |
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| 21:32.28 | abrotman | it's god's way of telling you to shutdown :) |
| 21:32.28 | simonrvn | ubuntu "auto-configured" it for you... |
| 21:32.54 | simonrvn | ugh, just on .c* |
| 21:32.54 | ismael_ | so how do I configure it in Debian? |
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| 21:33.13 | simonrvn | !ops Dsit |
| 21:33.13 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: simonrvn complains about: Dsit |
| 21:33.28 | abrotman | yay staff! |
| 21:33.29 | simonrvn | thanks :) |
| 21:33.29 | _evo_ | :-) |
| 21:33.32 | simonrvn | woot woot |
| 21:33.45 | itchi | What's the benefit of suspend to RAM over hdd? |
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| 21:33.54 | r-wolf | simonrvn: I tried dpkg-reconfigure before, the resulting xorg.conf was different, but the error was the same |
| 21:34.03 | itchi | Question of fun when there's no power anymore? |
| 21:34.04 | wols_ | itchi: faster to suspend and wakeup? |
| 21:34.05 | ismael_ | itchi: It's faster, I guess |
| 21:34.08 | simonrvn | r-wolf, what? |
| 21:34.23 | simonrvn | why are you telling me this? |
| 21:34.31 | itchi | Well, it's already fast enought. hhhm, i may try to RAM once :-) |
| 21:34.40 | r-wolf | simonrvn: hmm, a typo, sorry |
| 21:35.36 | simonrvn | ok, np :) |
| 21:35.46 | r-wolf | itchi: (the upper message) |
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| 21:36.28 | SRabbelier | Err, right, as I was asking before my internet dropped, how do I set the "system wide font" under Debian? |
| 21:36.40 | itchi | r-wolf: You may try with the three diff drivers. Or better, take a look in the docs of xorg to see if your card is superted with the free driver |
| 21:37.10 | bucky | SRabbelier, dpkg-reconfigure locales ? |
| 21:37.17 | itchi | r-wolf: There's one you won't be able to test with, or you installed that diabolic ATI stuff |
| 21:37.58 | SRabbelier | bucky: does that allow me to specify font-size? |
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| 21:38.34 | bucky | SRabbelier, that would be a function of the window manager or your screen resolution in X |
| 21:39.17 | SRabbelier | bucky: hmmm, I mean, in the terminal there's an optio nto "Use the system fixed width font" |
| 21:41.58 | bucky | SRabbelier, http://linuxhelp.blogspot.com/2005/10/configuring-xterm-in-linux.html |
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| 21:44.43 | SRabbelier | bucky: intresting, not sure if that's what I'm looking for but I'll have a look |
| 21:45.05 | bucky | SRabbelier, i install eterm or aterm... seems to have larger fonts |
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| 21:46.37 | SRabbelier | I just changed my default session's font, but it seems my entire system's font went up lately, I had to set it manualy for GTK, my window manager, and now my terminal too, was wondering if there was global some place where it went wrong |
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| 21:49.56 | checkers | hi all, I'd like to run a tracert on the IP of every use that connects to my sshd. is this possible, and if so how? |
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| 21:54.45 | VImtermute | hm |
| 21:54.53 | VImtermute | it wasn't as cool as i expected :) |
| 21:55.16 | itchi | VImtermute: udev? :-) |
| 21:55.33 | itchi | VImtermute: You missed some stuff since kernel 2.4 :-) |
| 21:55.37 | VImtermute | itchi, no, agpgart was b0rkd |
| 21:55.42 | VImtermute | probably :/ |
| 21:57.41 | itchi | SRabbelier: Maybe will xfontsel help you to understand theser weird -*-*-*-*-*- stuff |
| 21:58.24 | SRabbelier | itchi: yeah, I read about it in the article bucky sent me, weirdass stuff indeed |
| 21:58.39 | Eclipser | varnish is awesome |
| 21:59.18 | itchi | SRabbelier: Well, i just discover that these talk about xfontsel too :-p I took a to quick look over that article :-) |
| 21:59.47 | SRabbelier | itchi: hehe, you learn something new every day xD |
| 22:00.50 | itchi | SRabbelier: Well, i have all that stuff in my .Xdefaults |
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| 22:01.05 | sercuto | hola a todos |
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| 22:02.06 | itchi | SRabbelier: http://pastebin.ca/830327 |
| 22:03.35 | SRabbelier | itchi: aaah, usefull! |
| 22:04.06 | itchi | SRabbelier: That urxvt, yeah, the rest you already know ;-) |
| 22:04.17 | timonator | urxvt is sexy |
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| 22:04.54 | SRabbelier | itchi: I do know urxvt, used it for a while, don't use terminals that much anyway :P |
| 22:04.59 | SRabbelier | just anyoning that the font size was so big suddenly |
| 22:05.10 | itchi | SRabbelier: I use that urxvt for the transparencies stuff. Cool for irssi and some other stuff. Shoke some friends and such who stuck at the stupid cmd of Windows |
| 22:05.29 | SRabbelier | itchi: lol, that's always nice |
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| 22:14.31 | RedBlack | hi |
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| 22:14.45 | RedBlack | i saw that debian have 3 dvd + update dvd |
| 22:14.56 | jorgp | if I have a package like mplayer that is in base distro (unstable) and in d.multimedia.org, when I apt-get source it gets source from ftp.debian.o instead of multimedia.org, how do I get the multimedia package? |
| 22:15.08 | snowbird | kernal panic new mobo |
| 22:15.16 | snowbird | i put cd 1 in and reboot? |
| 22:15.30 | RedBlack | which 1 is nessary to make it work? |
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| 22:15.59 | stew | RedBlack: the first |
| 22:16.12 | stew | RedBlack: or the first cd, or a netinst cd (/msg dpkg netinst) |
| 22:16.24 | snowbird | stew |
| 22:16.35 | itchi | stew: Which decoder do you use? |
| 22:16.40 | RedBlack | steve oki |
| 22:16.48 | stew | itchi: decoder for what? |
| 22:16.52 | snowbird | stew for kernal panic disk one or net istall? |
| 22:17.00 | itchi | stew: To understand that stuff ^ :-p |
| 22:17.29 | stew | snowbird: what do you mean by "for kernal panic" ? |
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| 22:17.45 | snowbird | i put new mobo in pc i get kernal pannic |
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| 22:17.50 | snowbird | have to repair os |
| 22:18.03 | stew | snowbird: either disk |
| 22:18.06 | wols_ | snowbird: what's the new cpu and what is the old one? |
| 22:18.16 | snowbird | new is intell old is amd |
| 22:18.37 | snowbird | socket 478 new old socket a |
| 22:19.54 | snowbird | wols |
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| 22:20.05 | snowbird | wols_ lovely power spike |
| 22:20.06 | wols_ | snowbird: check you don't use a "k7" kernel |
| 22:20.33 | snowbird | wols if i have k7 then what? |
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| 22:21.36 | wols_ | then install a 686 kernel |
| 22:21.56 | snowbird | ok |
| 22:22.01 | wols_ | but maybe you should tell us first how and when it panics. eg. error messages |
| 22:22.16 | snowbird | ok wols |
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| 22:25.28 | snowbird | wols_ give me time have to dl working cd |
| 22:26.00 | snowbird | thansk |
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| 22:34.13 | strong_soul | here is chat room oly 4 linux imformation or a pick up one? |
| 22:34.50 | strong_soul | hye one plz |
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| 22:41.44 | varange | hi all |
| 22:42.37 | varange | I've installed Debian with GNOME. I'd like to use KDE too, and be able to choose on login. Which package should I install please? |
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| 22:43.32 | Tramp | !kde |
| 22:43.33 | dpkg | i guess kde is a desktop environment based on the Qt toolkit. See http://www.kde.org for release news and other details, or not a window manager, or ask your questions about it in #debian-kde, or ask me about <kde_trouble>, or to get KDE, ask about <install kde> |
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| 22:44.12 | wols_ | !install kde |
| 22:44.12 | dpkg | The metapackage 'kde' installs tons of stuff (almost the full KDE), 'kde-core' only the core. To install KDE instead of GNOME during Debian installation if you're not installing from the KDE CD, supply "tasks=standard, kde-desktop" at d-i's boot prompt. For more details, see http://wiki.debian.org/KdeDebInstall |
| 22:44.42 | varange | thanks wols_ |
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| 22:47.00 | malachi_constant | Is it possible for me to purge the configuration files of packages I have already removed? |
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| 22:47.11 | tarzeau | malachi_constant: yes |
| 22:47.33 | tarzeau | actually it is possible for everybody, well if they have root |
| 22:47.38 | malachi_constant | tarzeau: what's the command? |
| 22:47.41 | wols_ | malachi_constant: dpkg -l |grep rc |
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| 22:47.49 | wols_ | malachi_constant: same as puring normally |
| 22:47.56 | wols_ | *purging |
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| 22:49.05 | malachi_constant | That's the reason why I'm doing it, actually, to clean up that dpkg -l list. I usually purge with apt-get --purge remove though, what qualifies as purging normally? |
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| 22:49.53 | wols_ | apt-get purge for example |
| 22:50.02 | malachi_constant | Oh. Wow. I didn't know about that. |
| 22:50.15 | tarzeau | dpkg -P pkg |
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| 22:53.22 | DustyDingo | hm, i want to set wireless options in /etc/network/interfaces with wireless-essid foobar, but i get a "SET failed on device eth1 ; Resource temporarily unavailable." error |
| 22:53.42 | DustyDingo | any idears, why the ifup script fails? |
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| 22:55.05 | |Virtus| | okay, so I finally got my debian alpha 4.0 cdrom to boot on the digital alpha server 800.. now the problem is that the debian installer cant recognize the cd rom drive.. ! |
| 22:55.11 | |Virtus| | any suggestions? |
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| 22:55.24 | |Virtus| | if possible, I could install a IDE cd-rom drive, if I can find a spare |
| 22:55.44 | Cr3ature | how do i see who is using my Samba shares? |
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| 22:59.05 | yigal | is there a way to use a dvd+-rw to add incremental updates to a backup - I use duplicity locally and on a server. |
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| 22:59.35 | Zappacky_ | hey all |
| 22:59.42 | yigal | I'm sorry I wrote that incorrectly, I want to add incremental bits to the dvd+-rw |
| 22:59.52 | Zappacky_ | im having a small stability issue with debian on my hp laptop |
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| 23:01.09 | Zappacky_ | randomly, usually when text is being written to the console, the system completely stops responding. caps lock/etc doesnt change state, and doesnt respond to button presses. The cursor continues to blink, but the system just stops responding totallyh |
| 23:01.28 | Zappacky_ | and the console stops printing in mid-message |
| 23:01.37 | Zappacky_ | ctrl-alt-num does nothing |
| 23:01.48 | yigal | like can i use something like, growisofs -M /dev/dvd -R -J "increment from today" ? |
| 23:02.01 | Zappacky_ | this has occured on sarge, etch, AND lenny |
| 23:02.05 | SRabbelier | yigal: try? :D DVD's are cheap |
| 23:02.17 | Zappacky_ | im using amd64 kernel atm |
| 23:02.20 | Zappacky_ | on lenny |
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| 23:02.47 | yigal | SRabbelier: but I'm a crazy environmentalist/conservationist who believes in using only a few of anything |
| 23:03.03 | yigal | SRabbelier: in theory what I wrote above should work, right? |
| 23:03.05 | Zappacky_ | ive tried nolapic, noapic, irqpoll, and pci=usepirqmask in all combinations with no result except an occasional failed boot |
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| 23:03.23 | Zappacky_ | OpenSuSE doesn't experience this problem, but every debian based distro ive tried does |
| 23:03.35 | Zappacky_ | and I really dont like YaST |
| 23:03.52 | Zappacky_ | so, any ideas? |
| 23:04.40 | yigal | Zappacky_: what laptop is it, again? |
| 23:04.47 | Zappacky | HP dv9000z |
| 23:05.07 | yigal | Zappacky: Ok that is probably similar to my dv6000 |
| 23:05.31 | DustyDingo | hm, what could be the reasons, why i get a "Error for wireless request "Set Mode" (8B06) : SET failed on device eth1 ; Resource temporarily unavailable" error when i use "wireless-essid foobar" in /etc/network/interfaces? |
| 23:05.44 | DustyDingo | s/why/that |
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| 23:06.23 | yigal | Zappacky: Ubuntu has a huge ammount of forum work done on your laptop - it isn't exactly the same but you might want to read it to get an idea |
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| 23:06.33 | yigal | Zappacky: are you using only console no X? |
| 23:06.44 | Zappacky | trying to get console working first |
| 23:06.51 | Zappacky | usually i get similar symptoms within X too |
| 23:07.08 | Zappacky | also, its tough to get x installed when your installer suddenly dies every 10 minutes |
| 23:07.44 | yigal | Zappacky: you did both of these together? noapic nolapic |
| 23:07.53 | cyberfr0g | Hello |
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| 23:08.23 | yigal | Zappacky: also a possibility is doing everything when you install: noapic nolapic noapci noirqpoll nosmp |
| 23:08.28 | jelly-home | yigal: I've bought some dvd+rw media and didn't have much luck, but I mostly tried udf (packet writing), not simple multiple sessions and iso9660. |
| 23:08.42 | Zappacky | yigal, ive tried that |
| 23:09.05 | Zappacky | no change in behavior |
| 23:09.17 | Zappacky | ive also tried combos of the above |
| 23:09.25 | Zappacky | no different results, except some combos fail boot |
| 23:09.56 | yigal | jelly-home: I was hoping for udf but multiple sessions I think is fine - if I have a couple of backups - personal use of course |
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| 23:10.41 | jelly-home | yigal: linux has poor (none?) handling of bad sectors on the media. OTOH XP is not much better. |
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| 23:11.14 | yigal | Zappacky: you have tried a lenny snapshot, yes? |
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| 23:11.41 | yigal | jelly-home: that is an uncomfortable feeling :) |
| 23:11.44 | Zappacky | i did a dist-upgrade to lenny after installing from the etch disk |
| 23:11.53 | Zappacky | for some reason, the lenny installer didnt like my SATA hard drives |
| 23:12.03 | Zappacky | gave me a bunch of bullcrap about not wanting to load libata |
| 23:12.15 | yigal | Zappacky: try a lenny snapshot as the kernel is better prepaired to deal with your laptop |
| 23:12.47 | yigal | Zappacky: etch's kernel is not good for a relatively "new" machine like yours |
| 23:13.11 | yigal | Zappacky: I'm not sure if you can get etch with a backports kernel this might be an option also |
| 23:13.26 | yigal | Zappacky: but you will want to install with a new kernel |
| 23:13.33 | Cr3ature | funny thing |
| 23:13.36 | Zappacky | its using the lenny kernel |
| 23:13.40 | Cr3ature | in Debian the r00t console isn't coloree |
| 23:13.42 | Zappacky | i think =/ |
| 23:13.56 | Zappacky | it came from the lenny update site |
| 23:14.23 | Cr3ature | maybe: cp /home/user/.bash_rc /root/ |
| 23:14.24 | abrotman | Cr3ature: ls --color ? |
| 23:15.25 | yigal | Zappacky: #depmod -a ? |
| 23:15.52 | Zappacky | im on windows atm, since i cant stay in linux for more than 10 minutes |
| 23:16.40 | yigal | Zappacky: try installing using a modern kernel and see what happens although this might be a lot of work, it should be better for your situation IMO |
| 23:16.56 | Zappacky | well, ive custom compiled a kernel off of kernel.org in the pas |
| 23:16.59 | Zappacky | *past |
| 23:17.06 | Zappacky | didnt have any effect |
| 23:17.23 | yigal | Zappacky: have you looked at your logs? |
| 23:17.29 | Zappacky | nothing there for the crash |
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| 23:17.38 | Zappacky | thats what puzzles me the most |
| 23:17.47 | Zappacky | it doesnt seem to recognize the fact that it's crashed |
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| 23:20.04 | Zappacky | the last line in dmesg, after a failed boot from presumably the same cause |
| 23:20.08 | atealtha | is there a way for me to install a 32bit iceweasel so I can easily get flash working? |
| 23:20.10 | Zappacky | is eth1: no link during initialization |
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| 23:20.29 | Zappacky | no unusal lines anywhere |
| 23:21.01 | tab | hey, i have a windows hard drive set up as slave and debian set up as master how can i configure grub to boot from the slave hard drive? |
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| 23:21.54 | yigal | Zappacky: I don't think I can help you, bios, irq who knows I have to restart my laptop :) |
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| 23:22.16 | Zappacky | yigal, alright, thanks |
| 23:22.19 | maher | tab: assuming the bios can cope putting in a line root (hd1, n) in the appropriate stanza in menu.lst should do it |
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| 23:22.38 | Zappacky | i just cant help but wonder, why does debian/etc fail but suse and others succeed? |
| 23:22.53 | tab | maher isnt the second hdd named hdb? |
| 23:23.00 | tab | and whats that n? |
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| 23:23.11 | maher | tab: the kernel calls it that but grub has it sown names |
| 23:23.24 | tab | and the "n"? |
| 23:23.52 | maher | tab: n = partition number, starting at zero |
| 23:24.01 | wols_ | tab: update-grub should set it up atuomatically |
| 23:24.47 | maher | Zappacky: who knows - some kernel difference... |
| 23:25.13 | snowbird | darn wols_ this pc aint got working burner let me get back to this after xmas rush |
| 23:26.04 | tab | can you copy and paste out of xterm? |
| 23:27.21 | maher | tab: yes - run update-grub and see if it sees the one you are trying to boot - then look at /usr/share/doc/grub/examples/menu.lst for imspiration... |
| 23:27.38 | tab | http://pastebin.ca/830434 |
| 23:27.46 | tab | maher look ok? |
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| 23:29.08 | maher | tab: that should work - try rootnoverify if it doesn't work |
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| 23:30.15 | pleed | can someone please help me configuring my network? i tried it with the gnome network manager to use dhcp but somehow it doesnt pull an address. "dhclient ethX" works. |
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| 23:32.40 | reZo | hi, i'm using etch, and have been using amarok for the last 6 months, all the sudden i get the following message in terminal, then amarok doesn't start http://pastebin.ca/raw/830436 |
| 23:32.47 | reZo | how can i resolve this issue? |
| 23:33.06 | yigal | Zappacky: well I rebooted for no reason :), I made a bash script that used variables that were not defined so I got scared and rebooted, doe |
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| 23:33.12 | Eclipser | solution: use xmms2 |
| 23:33.29 | Zappacky | yigal, oh well, no harm done |
| 23:33.51 | Zappacky | unless your comp has a bomb in it that goes off after a certain number of reboots |
| 23:33.57 | Zappacky | or you deleted libc.so |
| 23:34.01 | Zappacky | etc |
| 23:34.09 | reZo | Eclipser: no >:( |
| 23:34.22 | Eclipser | reZo, I was just kidding, your paste says nothing though |
| 23:34.23 | yigal | Zappacky: no just ext3 checking - but I'm a few boots away from that :) |
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| 23:34.24 | Eclipser | sorry can't help |
| 23:34.27 | Eclipser | good night |
| 23:34.31 | reZo | okay. |
| 23:34.45 | reZo | meh, i'll backup my database, and reinstall amarok i think. |
| 23:34.56 | reZo | do simple stuff first, then i'll come back if that fails. |
| 23:35.15 | yigal | what terminal web browser can read pastebin? |
| 23:35.22 | reZo | w3m |
| 23:35.22 | maher | yigal: w3m |
| 23:35.36 | yigal | I tried, and it just hung ? |
| 23:35.44 | reZo | btw, is it possible to get full color images in w3m? |
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| 23:36.28 | yigal | reZo: w3mmee? |
| 23:36.45 | reZo | oh? |
| 23:36.53 | reZo | :/ |
| 23:37.05 | itchi | Wh0128n i try to writ0128 th0128 fift charact0128r i g0128t th0128s0128 0128 :-s |
| 23:37.26 | itchi | That just hap0128n0128d right now :-( |
| 23:37.41 | yigal | reZo: so for the address you supplied w3m is saying "Opening socket..." |
| 23:38.53 | itchi | And it's only that charact*r that has th* probl*m :-s What could b* happ*n? |
| 23:38.54 | jelly-home | itchi: eek. |
| 23:38.56 | yigal | reZo: w3m does with an extension |
| 23:39.17 | yigal | reZo: w3m-img |
| 23:39.21 | reZo | :D |
| 23:39.25 | reZo | installed both hehe |
| 23:39.43 | itchi | jelly-home: I can't writ* you'r* nam* without th* tab k*y :-) |
| 23:40.01 | abrotman | itchi: tr yanother keyboard |
| 23:40.15 | jelly-home | itchi: "setxkbmap us" in X, or "loadkeys us" in console, try again? |
| 23:40.21 | itchi | abrotman: W*ll, i gona r*start x :-) |
| 23:40.33 | itchi | First try that ^ |
| 23:40.38 | abrotman | itchi: i think your 'e' key is broken |
| 23:40.46 | abrotman | it keeps printing asterisks |
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| 23:40.55 | Tracy-P | I've set dhcpd on debian etch, set a couple host with a fixed IP via the dhcpd.conf. After the lease expires, it renews but drops the DNS settings in the client. |
| 23:41.12 | reZo | yigal: works perfect :D |
| 23:41.31 | itchi | abrotman: I us* * to avoid th0128s0128 |
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| 23:41.54 | abrotman | itchi: can you say that thr** tim*s fast? |
| 23:41.55 | itchi | shit i cant s*t setxkbmap b* |
| 23:41.56 | Tracy-P | forcing a renew on the clients nic gets it working again. Is this a problem on the server or the windows boxes? |
| 23:41.59 | maher | Tracy-P: you set the dns in the dhcpd.conf? |
| 23:42.10 | Tracy-P | yes |
| 23:42.23 | maher | Tracy-P: dunno about windows boxes... |
| 23:42.45 | itchi | abrotman: W0128ll i cant s0128t my k0128yboard layout h0128h0128h0128 :-) |
| 23:42.57 | Tracy-P | on a restart, or a forced reset, the DNS comes back. |
| 23:43.01 | yigal | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:43.07 | abrotman | itchi: restart the box? |
| 23:43.24 | reZo | yigal: url for argv[1] |
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| 23:44.52 | yigal | reZo: :), strangely enough I can't get to your site via firefox so somethings up with the connection - google etc seem fine though |
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| 23:45.53 | itchi | Sorry for the mess heh :-p |
| 23:45.54 | reZo | my site? |
| 23:46.22 | Tracy-P | maher: You think my problem is client side more than server? |
| 23:46.25 | yigal | reZo: your pastebin http://pastebin.ca/raw/830436 |
| 23:46.43 | reZo | oh lol |
| 23:46.50 | itchi | abrotman: I was even not able to login back in X :-) I was stuck at the xdm login screen haha. Had need to use the "e" key :-) And reboot, contains a "e" too |
| 23:46.59 | reZo | how odd |
| 23:47.03 | simonrvn | shutdown -r now |
| 23:47.07 | abrotman | itchi: try another keyoard |
| 23:47.09 | reZo | yigal: you should check out OpenDNS.com :D |
| 23:47.09 | abrotman | keyboard |
| 23:47.12 | simonrvn | no 'e's there |
| 23:47.15 | reZo | if your having dns issues that is |
| 23:47.20 | itchi | abrotman: Well, It's an USB keyboard, so i unplugged and plugged back and it work fine again |
| 23:47.31 | maher | Tracy-P: does it work with linux clients? |
| 23:47.37 | reZo | there servers are 208.67.222.222 / 208.67.220.220 |
| 23:47.44 | itchi | abrotman: Weird thingy, suddently that e wrote 0128 |
| 23:47.44 | yigal | reZo: I am using Verizon in America should that change anything? I can't imagine it does |
| 23:47.54 | abrotman | itchi: cute |
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| 23:48.04 | Tracy-P | I haven't had a linux client connected long enough |
| 23:48.05 | reZo | not to sure |
| 23:48.13 | reZo | depends what dns they use, and what there dns is like |
| 23:48.25 | itchi | simonrvn: Shutdown/reboot is my very last option to use :-p |
| 23:48.30 | reZo | unless it's a general firefox error hehe |
| 23:48.38 | itchi | simonrvn: You know heh, i hate that much the way windows goes :-) |
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| 23:48.49 | yigal | reZo: I imagine the dns is down over here |
| 23:48.53 | simonrvn | itchi, you said "reboot" up there... |
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| 23:49.01 | Tracy-P | maher: I'll get one connected and see if it has a problem when the lease timesout |
| 23:49.09 | reZo | ya |
| 23:49.20 | itchi | simonrvn: Yay, i may need to learn to shutdown/reboot the system. I'm not used to do that often :-p |
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| 23:51.08 | itchi | simonrvn: My desktop has 65 days of uptime :-) |
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| 23:51.21 | itchi | simonrvn: This box is 75 days old :-) |
| 23:52.49 | DustyDingo | hm, when i create a .xinitrc is Xsession still executed? |
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| 23:54.02 | pingouin | what are the differences between creating a ~/.xinitrc or a ~/.xsession to launch a window manager with a startx ? |
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| 23:58.33 | uwe | eh, hello, whats the issue with mysql and mysqld man page in lenny ? is mysql changing license, i did a google search for mysql gpl , mysql debian gpl and other strings, but cant find something relevent! why is debian unable to include the man pages for mysqld ? |
| 23:59.09 | DustyBin | is it now possible to install compiz on debian lenny without the need to use the non-official compiz repos? |
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| 23:59.49 | DustyDingo | pingouin: so startx is a script which runs Xsession, but only if it finds an .xsession in the users home, if it finds a .xinitrc it won't execute xsession and only the commands in the .xinitrx file? |
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