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| 00:00.16 | pleed_ | can anyone please help me. there are nameservers in my /etc/resolv.conf i dont want and i dont know where they come. any ideas what can add nameservers? my dhcp doesnt |
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| 00:00.59 | wols_ | pleed_: either dhcp or interfaces file |
| 00:01.01 | pingouin | DustyDingo: ok |
| 00:01.03 | wols_ | what nameservers are those? |
| 00:01.05 | pingouin | thanks |
| 00:01.06 | Ronin | DustyBin: no i dont think so |
| 00:01.08 | abrotman | pleed_: your dhcp is! |
| 00:01.16 | DustyDingo | pingouin: that was a question ;) |
| 00:01.17 | uwe | pleed_, in /etc/dhcp3/dhclient.conf |
| 00:01.17 | pleed_ | wols_: some of my isp |
| 00:01.21 | uwe | for me at least |
| 00:01.24 | wols_ | pleed_: then it's dhcp |
| 00:01.32 | DustyBin | Ronin: why is compiz in the debian repos in the first place if it doesnt work? |
| 00:01.41 | pleed_ | wols_: where do you know? |
| 00:01.47 | DustyDingo | Ronin: that was just a wild guess |
| 00:01.52 | DustyBin | Ronin: shouldnt it be in unstable or experimental only |
| 00:01.52 | Ronin | DustyBin: which repos? |
| 00:01.58 | abrotman | DustyDingo: why are you trying to use something that doesn't work ? :) |
| 00:01.58 | DustyBin | testing |
| 00:02.00 | pleed_ | my other dhcp clients are not getting these nameservers in there resolv.conf |
| 00:02.13 | Ronin | DustyBin: then have you tried it on testing? |
| 00:02.16 | uwe | do you have request domain-name-servers |
| 00:02.17 | pleed_ | oh damn. they also do |
| 00:02.18 | DustyDingo | abrotman: ? |
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| 00:02.28 | DustyBin | Ronin: i did a good few months ago and it didnt work |
| 00:02.44 | DustyBin | i only managed to get compiz working by using non-offical compiz repos |
| 00:02.49 | Ronin | DustyBin: define didnt work, was it in an offical repo then? |
| 00:03.10 | DustyBin | it is now but lenny testing has just had a big update |
| 00:03.12 | Ronin | hmm seems to be in stable as well |
| 00:03.15 | wols_ | DustyBin: it does work |
| 00:03.29 | DustyBin | right ok, ill try it out :D |
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| 00:03.30 | Ronin | well what do you know heh |
| 00:03.47 | wols_ | but on very few hardware platforms. e.g.not on nvidia in etch |
| 00:04.08 | DustyBin | what about ati on lenny |
| 00:04.52 | DustyBin | i do like a little bit of compiz but i hate using non-offical repos |
| 00:04.59 | wols_ | ati ot fglrx? |
| 00:05.07 | DustyBin | because this massive lenny update its caused some problems |
| 00:05.17 | DustyBin | fglrx |
| 00:05.42 | wols_ | DustyBin: won't work at all |
| 00:05.47 | DustyBin | aye ok |
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| 00:05.57 | DustyBin | wols_: sorry wols, im using ati |
| 00:06.02 | DustyBin | Driver "ati" |
| 00:06.02 | wols_ | ati promised aiglx support but so far they lied afaik |
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| 00:06.06 | wols_ | ati should work |
| 00:06.15 | wols_ | as long as you have direct rendering |
| 00:06.27 | DustyBin | well it works now using non-offical compiz repos |
| 00:06.35 | DustyBin | so i dont see why it shouldnt work on offical debian repos |
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| 00:07.08 | DustyBin | im using this for compiz |
| 00:07.11 | DustyBin | deb http://download.tuxfamily.org/shames/debian-lenny/desktopfx/stable/ ./ |
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| 00:09.55 | DustyBin | i think a desktop re-install is in order for the new year |
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| 00:10.01 | DustyBin | this time partitions! |
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| 00:11.01 | jelly-home | wols_: does 8.43.whatever still not have proper support to run compiz? |
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| 00:12.24 | pleed_ | well my dhcp server really seems to give me these namerservers. but i didnt configured it to do this. any ideas? |
| 00:12.53 | DustyBin | pleed_: just remove or add name servers yourself, just edit /etc/resolv.conf |
| 00:12.54 | uwe | pleed_, are you sure its your dhcp server :) ? |
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| 00:13.23 | pleed_ | uwe: yes because when i delete the entries and i do "dhclient eth0" they are there again |
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| 00:13.52 | uwe | pleed_, i mean are you sure there isnt another dhcp server ? |
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| 00:14.35 | pleed_ | uwe: i should test that with wireshark right? |
| 00:14.42 | uwe | what about turning off the dhcp server and trying dhclient eth0 |
| 00:14.53 | uwe | i mean dhcp service |
| 00:15.24 | pleed_ | uwe: no because it will reboot my router which has some information in nvram i have to reconfigure then... |
| 00:16.09 | uwe | pleed_, you are getting the dhcp from the router then |
| 00:17.18 | pleed_ | uwe: yes i do |
| 00:17.24 | uwe | well, i suppose that dhcp uses arp and mac a lot ... so maybe youll find something in the logs that tells you which dhcp server MAC address responded |
| 00:17.55 | uwe | unless someone is poising your arp |
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| 00:18.28 | pleed_ | i dont think so. it s my LAN and there is no unencrypted wifi and so on... |
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| 00:19.28 | PerfDave | Anydoby know of a good script to launch a dictionary attack on something over FTP, telnet or HTTP (basic auth)? I'm home for Xmas and my Dad's DSL router has a nonstandard password but is listening to all the above services over the Internet, and I'd like to configure it not to. |
| 00:20.26 | xsdg | PerfDave: pick a scripting language to write something in and write it |
| 00:20.30 | uwe | well, there must be a reason why your dhcp server/router is giving you those IPs ... so make sure that its NOT your router giving the dns ip ... and make sure your router is not taking it from outside ... and check if there is a machine in your network sending dhcp responses ... |
| 00:20.31 | xsdg | it shouldn't be too hard |
| 00:20.50 | PerfDave | xsdg: I could do that, but there's more to a dictionary attack than just running through /usr/share/dict/words :) |
| 00:21.19 | pleed_ | uwe: well there is some MDNS going out from my client. |
| 00:21.29 | xsdg | PerfDave: not really, unless you have a hash to compare against |
| 00:21.45 | xsdg | i/win 20 |
| 00:21.53 | PerfDave | xsdg: Yes really, you want to weigh by probabilities for starters, test combinations etc. |
| 00:21.53 | pleed_ | uwe: maybe my router forwards that so the ISP nameservers answer me |
| 00:22.36 | xsdg | PerfDave: if you know nothing, then you're just as well off picking things at random as you are trying to look for patterns |
| 00:22.50 | uwe | PerfDave, expect ? |
| 00:23.00 | xsdg | PerfDave: if you _know_ something about what the password might be, then you can figure out ways to use that knowledge |
| 00:23.45 | xsdg | uwe: bah, using a language that supports those natively (like ruby) is better than having to do it in TCL |
| 00:23.47 | PerfDave | xsdg: It's well-known in security research that some passwords and password-building methods are globally more likely than others. I don't have that knowledge myself, which is why I was looking for a tool somoene else has written. |
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| 00:24.31 | xsdg | PerfDave: heh, how long are you gonna run this thing? |
| 00:24.38 | PerfDave | xsdg: As long as it takes. |
| 00:25.01 | xsdg | PerfDave: you'd probably be better off figuring out how to reset the thing |
| 00:25.02 | uwe | xsdg, well, tcl does it well, so does python expect ... i dont know about ruby ... but it shouldnt be hard to do what he is trying to do, so any lang should be fine :) no ? |
| 00:25.02 | PerfDave | xsdg: But I'd rather have the answer sooner rather than later, and I'd rather not write my own script. |
| 00:25.17 | PerfDave | xsdg: I can do that while I'm trying to crack it ;) |
| 00:25.41 | xsdg | uwe: I'm specifically suggesting not using an external program at all |
| 00:26.11 | xsdg | uwe: for example, in ruby, there is a library which lets me use ruby primitives to talk HTTP |
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| 00:26.31 | uwe | hmmm ... |
| 00:26.52 | uwe | xsdg, i think i should learn ruby some time soon :) |
| 00:27.40 | xsdg | uwe: tryruby.hobix.com lets you try it in your web browser (that is, it has a real interpreter that you can use from your web browser to try things and to go through a tutorial that's sort of built in) |
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| 00:28.15 | PerfDave | Doesn't every language which supports libraries have an HTTP library? |
| 00:28.26 | PerfDave | I mean, Perl, Python, Ruby, Java etc. all do |
| 00:28.39 | xsdg | PerfDave: undoubtedly |
| 00:28.42 | PerfDave | xsdg: http://www.schneier.com/essay-148.html is worth a read on password cracking and why doing so at random sucks. |
| 00:29.13 | xsdg | PerfDave: well, I know doing so at random sucks (this from someone who tried to brute-force RSA704 :o) |
| 00:29.44 | itchi | PerfDave: There is the python-twill stuff for web forms ans such, but like you already know, guess attacks is realy not that evidend |
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| 00:30.46 | xsdg | PerfDave: (all I can say about that is that it was fun to write, and it was fun to pretend that I was going to come up with something :o) |
| 00:30.48 | g0rt | \o |
| 00:30.52 | itchi | PerfDave: If you want to go with python, twill is a nice way to go to |
| 00:31.16 | itchi | even spaming guestbooks is that easy. I tried on my own website :-) |
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| 00:32.08 | itchi | PerfDave: BTW, as i recall right, that debian package on Lenny is outdated and miss some important features |
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| 00:32.41 | PerfDave | itchi: If I want to brute-force a password, I want to do so as quickly as possible, which rules Python out right away ;) |
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| 00:33.27 | itchi | PerfDave: Well, if you may write a password guesser that will help you, you may be a king. So don't have to much hope :-p |
| 00:33.44 | telexicon | john? |
| 00:33.48 | PerfDave | xsdg: Thinking about it, I can't reset the router to factory defaults, because I don't have the ADSL connection details. |
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| 00:35.59 | abrotman | perf! |
| 00:36.26 | PerfDave | abortman! |
| 00:36.31 | abrotman | hi |
| 00:36.34 | PerfDave | How goes? |
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| 00:36.50 | abrotman | it's cold here! |
| 00:36.59 | abrotman | snowed like ... 8? inches today |
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| 00:37.10 | IluvKaren | hello |
| 00:37.13 | PerfDave | It's cold here too, no snow yet though. |
| 00:37.19 | IluvKaren | i have installed mcrypt and libmcrypt on my box |
| 00:37.19 | abrotman | PerfDave: i'm not in PA |
| 00:37.31 | IluvKaren | the problem is i can't seem to find mcrypt.so on any directory |
| 00:37.32 | maher | PerfDave: network latency is probably bad enough for python |
| 00:37.35 | PerfDave | abrotman: Where are you? |
| 00:37.49 | PerfDave | IluvKaren: dpkg -L libmcrypt |
| 00:38.01 | abrotman | PerfDave: visiting family in WI .. it's freezing .. like -5C or something .. with a windchill like -12C or so |
| 00:38.42 | abrotman | oh .. i was totally wrong |
| 00:38.49 | crn | try LA guys |
| 00:38.54 | abrotman | it's -9C with a windchill of like -20C :) |
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| 00:39.06 | LeGreffi3R | americans counts in Celsius? |
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| 00:39.17 | jelly-home | thats like tens or in the Freaky scale? |
| 00:39.20 | abrotman | LeGreffi3R: they try .. when talking to brits :) |
| 00:39.26 | LeGreffi3R | XD |
| 00:39.30 | jelly-home | or single digits* |
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| 00:39.32 | PerfDave | abrotman: OK, that's colder than here :) |
| 00:39.50 | abrotman | PerfDave: the 30mph wind is pretty biting :) |
| 00:40.02 | LeGreffi3R | -2°C in Paris, but no wind, that's fine :) |
| 00:40.31 | tengulre | why I cannot successfule complie new kernel , I got "Begin: Waiting for root filesystem..", What's wrong? |
| 00:40.49 | wols_ | tengulre: did you create an initrd? |
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| 00:41.30 | tengulre | wols_ : yes ! mkinitramfs -o |
| 00:41.38 | wols_ | that's wrong |
| 00:41.43 | wols_ | !tell tengulre about kernel-package |
| 00:41.55 | tengulre | kernel-2.6.23 |
| 00:42.00 | tengulre | from www.kernel.org |
| 00:42.25 | tengulre | mkinitramfs -o /boot/initrd-img-2.6.23 2.6.23 then no error |
| 00:42.30 | Rhoruns_ | does anyone know if i can use sendmail from a windows installation of PHP? |
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| 00:42.52 | PerfDave | Rhoruns_: In what way is that related to Debian? |
| 00:43.06 | Rhoruns_ | i want to use my Debian box as my smtp server. |
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| 00:43.26 | Rhoruns_ | is that even possible? |
| 00:43.36 | PerfDave | Ask #php or #windows :) |
| 00:43.52 | Rhoruns_ | i already did. they have no idea what i'm talking about. |
| 00:43.58 | Dewi | Rhoruns_: windows PHP uses SMTP, so probably yes, but read the manual and ask #php instead |
| 00:44.05 | PerfDave | Yes, you can use a Debian box as an SMTP server to relay mail from other hosts. That's the Debian-related bit of your question answered :) |
| 00:44.08 | PerfDave | !theydontknow |
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| 00:44.27 | Rhoruns_ | thank you. |
| 00:44.38 | PerfDave | dpkg: theydontknow |
| 00:44.39 | Rhoruns_ | now i'll go back to bothering the poor souls in #php. |
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| 00:45.42 | tengulre | wols_: but I want compile from kernel.org not deb package! |
| 00:46.06 | Tracy-P | how do I see the DNS's assigned to eth0? |
| 00:46.19 | abrotman | Rhoruns_: IIRC php can use a remote smtp server |
| 00:46.26 | wols_ | tengulre: so? it will work fine with kernel.org source |
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| 00:47.00 | Rhoruns_ | thank you abrotman. |
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| 00:47.08 | tengulre | wols_: I download kernel from kernel.org but I got the errors, what's wrong? |
| 00:47.12 | PerfDave | Tracy-P: DNS servers are not assigned to an interface, they are global to the system, and listed in /etc/resolv.conf |
| 00:48.07 | wols_ | tengulre: summed up like this: you have no clue how to configure (or compile) a kernel? |
| 00:48.10 | PerfDave | Tracy-P: You can tell Debian to use certain DNS servers when a given interface is brought up, using the "resolvconf" package, and storing DNS server info in /etc/network/interfaces |
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| 00:51.24 | tengulre | wols_: 1. cp /boot/config-xxxxx /usr/src/linux-2.6.23 2. make bzImage 3. make modules 4. make modules_install 5.cp arch/i383/boot/bzImage /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.23 6. mkinitramfs -o /boot/initrd-img-2.6.23 2.6.23 7. edit /boot/grub/menu.lst and copy a same line from old kernel options and last modfiy it new. 8. reboot. |
| 00:51.31 | Tracy-P | Thanks PerfDave |
| 00:51.39 | tengulre | wols_: what's wrong? |
| 00:51.49 | wols_ | cp /boot/config-xxxxx /usr/src/linux-2.6.23 2. make bzImage |
| 00:51.54 | wols_ | that is certainly wrong |
| 00:51.58 | Firestarter- | when trying to compile ndiswrapper I get this error Makefile:35: *** Cannot find kernel version in /lib/modules/2.6.18-5-686/build, is it configured?. Stop. |
| 00:52.14 | Firestarter- | is there something i'm forgetting? |
| 00:52.24 | wols_ | apart from the whole chain. if you want to do it that way: fine. but don't ask me about it |
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| 00:54.32 | tengulre | wols_: sorry loss some words, cp /boot/config-xxx /usr/src/linux-2.6.23/.config |
| 00:54.45 | toet | maybe retard question, buthow to see hardware specs? (ie. CPU, RAM, HDD's etc.) |
| 00:55.03 | tengulre | toet: are you answer me? |
| 00:55.08 | Tracy-P | vi; vim; more; are not available on the debian credit-card boot, what else can I use to view the contents of a /etc/resolv.conf |
| 00:55.22 | Dewi | Tracy-P: cat |
| 00:55.24 | toet | sorry im a debian noob in many ways :) |
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| 00:55.43 | wols_ | tengulre: it's still wrong when you then make bzImage |
| 00:55.46 | Tracy-P | Thanks Dewi |
| 00:55.46 | PerfDave | Tracy-P: cat? more? less? |
| 00:55.53 | wols_ | toet: lshw |
| 00:55.56 | abrotman | !whats my hardware |
| 00:55.56 | dpkg | You can use lspci, lsusb, lsscsi, lspcmcia, lshal, hwinfo, dmidecode, and/or lshw to find out what kind of hardware your machine might have, or or you could crack the lid and look inside ... oooh, shiny! |
| 00:55.57 | tengulre | toet: thank you still |
| 00:56.10 | PerfDave | Tracy-P: If you want an editor, you may have nano installed. |
| 00:56.47 | toet | thx wols_ |
| 00:57.25 | Tracy-P | cat and nano are available, not the others |
| 00:58.04 | tengulre | wols_: please, I want know what's wrong? |
| 00:58.30 | Tracy-P | <PROTECTED> |
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| 00:59.12 | Tracy-P | can't install because I'm not downloading anything from the internet, seems I don't have an DNS available |
| 00:59.21 | PerfDave | Tracy-P: Then you don't have any DNS servers configured. |
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| 00:59.42 | linux_jones | i just got a tv tuner card, and installed it, but i have to move alot of stuff around before i can hook the cable up, is there a way to make sure that its working before i move anything |
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| 00:59.59 | Mark17 | what is better if we look to the usage numbers: du or df? |
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| 01:00.30 | Tracy-P | on the debian box that has dhcp3 service running, I'm able to surf and connect here. |
| 01:00.30 | fengor | du gives you the size of used space and df gives you the size of free space |
| 01:00.32 | Mark17 | du says /home is using around 20GB and df says about the /home partition that it is using around 120GB |
| 01:00.39 | Mark17 | ah ok |
| 01:00.48 | fengor | i guess the answer is: whichever size you are looking for |
| 01:01.09 | PerfDave | Tracy-P: the box you're using has no DNS configured. You can configure it yourself by adding nameserver entries to /etc/resolv.conf, or have your system use DHCP, or something. |
| 01:01.16 | tengulre | wols_: plz |
| 01:01.18 | Mark17 | fengor: i did give the number under used with df |
| 01:01.29 | Mark17 | i need to know the real usage |
| 01:01.39 | Mark17 | on the harddisc |
| 01:01.48 | Mark17 | to protect it from getting full |
| 01:01.50 | fengor | go with df |
| 01:01.57 | Tracy-P | dhcp is configured, and it got an ip from the box that is running dhcp3 server |
| 01:01.58 | wols_ | Mark17: df does this |
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| 01:02.10 | wols_ | Mark17: du would only report the stuff it can access under your username |
| 01:02.16 | PerfDave | Mark17: What was your du command? |
| 01:02.21 | wols_ | or rather: see under your username |
| 01:02.25 | Mark17 | wols_: i am root |
| 01:02.43 | fengor | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:03.00 | Mark17 | so i should be able to see all files i believe |
| 01:03.10 | wols_ | Mark17: answer perfdave please |
| 01:03.18 | Mark17 | du -bchs /home/ |
| 01:03.21 | fengor | not necessarily |
| 01:03.42 | fengor | theres always one above you. in that case the kernel Mark17 |
| 01:04.10 | PerfDave | Mark17: I'm sure some of those options are contradictory. "du -sh /home" might give you a more sane answer. |
| 01:04.33 | abrotman | they are |
| 01:04.46 | PerfDave | Mark17: Anyway... df will show usage from files which have been deleted from the filesystem, but are still held open by a process; du won't. |
| 01:04.52 | fengor | and remember du works on a directory and df on partitions |
| 01:05.05 | Tracy-P | dhcpd.conf has the following line: option domain-name-servers <server1>, <server2> |
| 01:05.26 | PerfDave | Tracy-P: What has your DHCP server got to do with this? |
| 01:05.48 | Tracy-P | I'm having problems getting the DNS configured on the clients |
| 01:06.25 | Tracy-P | on a windows box, it gets configured until the lease timeout happens, then I am forced to reset the nic. |
| 01:06.47 | Tracy-P | I'm testing a linux box, as suggested earlier, and not getting the DNS on the client at all |
| 01:07.16 | PerfDave | Tracy-P: Sorry, I thought you were trying to get a machine's DNS servers configured. Please provide more detail about what you're actualy trying to do. |
| 01:07.48 | tengulre | wols_: Please tell me why error make bzImage? |
| 01:07.58 | Tracy-P | I'm attempting to get the DNS from disappearing after the lease times out. |
| 01:08.01 | abrotman | ask #kernel ? |
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| 01:08.14 | Tracy-P | I have a debian etch install which is my dhcp server |
| 01:08.36 | PerfDave | Tracy-P: Let's start from the start. You have an Etch box, what DHCP server is it running? |
| 01:08.49 | Tracy-P | dhcp3 |
| 01:09.29 | PerfDave | Tracy-P: What was the name of the package you installed? |
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| 01:10.05 | Tracy-P | dhcp3-server |
| 01:11.21 | PerfDave | Tracy-P: OK, and it's running? Is there any useful output in its logs? |
| 01:11.57 | Tracy-P | I've not looked at the logs, I've never done such a thing. |
| 01:12.31 | Tracy-P | I know it has been working, windows workstations have been getting ips from it. |
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| 01:12.40 | Tracy-P | this debian install cd got an ip from it |
| 01:12.53 | PerfDave | Tracy-P: If a service isn't working properly, checking the logs is a damn good place to start :) |
| 01:13.03 | Tracy-P | I agree |
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| 01:15.21 | PerfDave | Tracy-P: How are the clients connected to the server? |
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| 01:20.24 | traza | Can somebody give me ideas about why the install process (sempron 2200) 32 bits can be broke?... |
| 01:20.32 | traza | 64 bits works fine... |
| 01:20.46 | Tracy-P | linksys router, one wired, the other wireless, both have the same symptom |
| 01:22.21 | traza | Im trying to help someone in debian-es.. but not sure what can be happened with the install process |
| 01:22.56 | PerfDave | Tracy-P: hang on, the DHCP server is on the uplink of a linksys router? |
| 01:23.02 | cusco_ | traza: what do you mean broke? |
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| 01:23.41 | Tracy-P | No, and linksys routers dhcp service is off |
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| 01:24.01 | traza | install process stop.. |
| 01:24.56 | aindilis | hello all. I have an interesting problem in that, whatever I've done to my system, I get a lot of segfaults (i.e. mplayer, xawtv, xmms but not xclock). Using my sparse bin skills I see that libpthread is characteristic on all examples. I am upgraded to the latest libc6 package. Any ideas? |
| 01:25.51 | PerfDave | aindilis: Which version of Debian are you running? |
| 01:26.00 | aindilis | sid? |
| 01:26.03 | PerfDave | aindilis: Lots of things use libpthread |
| 01:26.07 | PerfDave | aindilis: Did you check the BTS? |
| 01:26.24 | aindilis | un, no I figured I mangled it by using a non-package install of wine which is also segfaulting |
| 01:26.36 | PerfDave | If you don't know how to diagnose & fix segfaults, you may want to reconsider running sid. |
| 01:26.41 | aindilis | true |
| 01:26.53 | aindilis | is there are doc ref? |
| 01:26.53 | Mark17 | i did found the problem (a few (very big) deleted files consuming in total around 75GB where still on the disc (stopped the proccess with kill and lsof, lsof to find the pid number)) |
| 01:27.09 | Mark17 | thank you |
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| 01:27.23 | aindilis | PerfDave, is there a documentation reference to get started on learning how to diagnose and fix segfaults? |
| 01:27.45 | PerfDave | aindilis: The BTS is a good place to start :) |
| 01:27.49 | aindilis | okay thanks :) |
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| 01:27.56 | PerfDave | aindilis: But look into strace, maybe gdb. |
| 01:28.11 | aindilis | okay well I run gdb and it halts the moment a new thread is created |
| 01:28.12 | traza | cusco_, sudently stop reading the install cd.. |
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| 01:28.48 | aindilis | brb, testing strace |
| 01:29.46 | traza | cusco_, I know there must be many reasons.. but what u know about that? |
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| 01:30.07 | cusco_ | traza: I don't... any error menssages on tty1 like can't read from cd? |
| 01:30.19 | cusco_ | tell him to switch between ty's and read teh screen out |
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| 01:30.30 | cusco_ | alt + ctrl + right arrow |
| 01:30.34 | traza | cusco_, no errors.. |
| 01:30.47 | cusco_ | can he select options? |
| 01:30.51 | traza | cusco_, are u from peru? |
| 01:30.54 | cusco_ | how do you knwo it doesn t read from the cd? |
| 01:30.55 | cusco_ | no |
| 01:30.59 | cusco_ | i don habla spanish |
| 01:31.43 | cusco_ | I mean.. there must be some reason why he says it stoped |
| 01:31.49 | cusco_ | maybe he just need to press enter? |
| 01:31.49 | cusco_ | :/ |
| 01:32.08 | cusco_ | gonna sleep now |
| 01:32.12 | cusco_ | good luck |
| 01:32.13 | iateadonut | hi. i just installed debian on my home computer. (i've used a variety of systems, dual boot like four different linuces, including puppy, mandriva, red flag, and slackware) |
| 01:32.14 | traza | cusco_, ok.. |
| 01:32.23 | traza | cusco_, tnx anyway. |
| 01:32.24 | iateadonut | i want to know why everyone things debian is so great. |
| 01:32.51 | cusco_ | iateadonut: try it out then you tell us |
| 01:33.00 | cusco_ | if you don't find it great don't use it |
| 01:33.24 | cusco_ | I think it is great because things simply work |
| 01:33.53 | cusco_ | bye now |
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| 01:39.36 | Tracy-P | cat var/log/messages shows requests for a dhcp, and it gives it out.. no mention of an error. am I looking at the right log? |
| 01:39.46 | iateadonut | i noticed open office was 2.0. is this because the dvd i downloaded was older, or is it because debian goes for stability rather than new packages. |
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| 01:42.22 | PerfDave | iateadonut: Which version of Debian did you install? |
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| 01:43.49 | LeGreffi3R | iateadonut> etch is the stable version , packages are a little old yes... |
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| 01:46.11 | iateadonut | 4.0R1 |
| 01:46.21 | iateadonut | so far, i haven't run into any problems. |
| 01:46.36 | aindilis | PerfDave, using strace I detect the anomylous condition: open(/dev/zero, RDRW) |
| 01:46.41 | iateadonut | that's all i'm looking for, in fact, is stability. |
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| 01:46.49 | iateadonut | and easy to find packages. |
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| 01:47.08 | aindilis | any idea why these are all trying to readwrite dev zero before it crashes? |
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| 01:47.14 | iateadonut | i like puppy a lot, because it's very fast, but it's not really centralized. |
| 01:47.35 | cyzie | hi, is there a way to check the status for the hard disk ? |
| 01:47.52 | streuner | cyzie: smartmontools ;-) |
| 01:48.20 | PerfDave | iateadonut: http://www.debian.org/releases/ may help. Debian's stable release only recieves security updates, not new versions of software. |
| 01:48.28 | PerfDave | aindilis: Did you check the BTS yet? |
| 01:50.53 | Tracy-P | Is there a way to lookup the IP of a nameserver. I have the names of DNS servers in my /etc/dhcpd.conf I want to test putting the IPs into it. |
| 01:51.22 | aindilis | for libc6 I looked at it briefly let me recheck |
| 01:51.48 | PerfDave | Tracy-P: How do you look up the IP of any hostname? |
| 01:52.01 | cyzie | thanks |
| 01:52.12 | PerfDave | aindilis: Also, check the strace of a program that *doesn't* segfault? |
| 01:52.26 | Tracy-P | on a windows box I would use NSLookup, I don't know how to do that from an xterm in Debian |
| 01:52.49 | Firestarter | what is a good up to date kernal that works good with etch? |
| 01:53.22 | PerfDave | Firestarter: What's wrong with the kernel that comes with Etch? |
| 01:53.32 | PerfDave | Tracy-P: You can use nslookup on Debian, or host, or other commands. |
| 01:53.59 | Firestarter | was just wondering if i'm using the most up to date I got 2.6.18 |
| 01:55.07 | PerfDave | Firestarter: That's the kernel version that comes with Etch, yes. |
| 01:55.16 | Firestarter | cool |
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| 01:55.18 | Firestarter | thanks |
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| 01:56.21 | Firestarter | seems stable enough I can hibernate and all that withought trouble |
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| 01:57.32 | antixogh | yo |
| 01:58.27 | antixogh | norskjeger:i thank you for your input, but don't PM me please |
| 01:58.37 | norskjeger | lmao |
| 01:58.39 | antixogh | haha |
| 01:58.57 | norskjeger | antixogh, kiss my ass |
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| 01:59.52 | antixogh | norskjeger:i think you got it.. and no thank you |
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| 02:03.01 | flaco | greetings |
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| 02:04.08 | Tracy-P | that fixed my issue |
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| 02:07.25 | Tracy-P | PerfDave, Thanks for the assistance. |
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| 02:10.17 | jimcooncat | looking for tools to manage user preferences; do we have anything, for instance that would sync firefox and tbird prefs (without a third party server)? or a gconf-editor with diff? |
| 02:12.41 | rdz | hi all. i am trying to create a bridge (mybridge) between wireless (eth1) and ethernet (eth0). everything seems ok so far. i can configure mybridge and run dhclient on it and it gets an ip address from the wireless router. also can i access the internet from the box whhere mybridge is running. however i seem to be not able to establish any connection from a box that is hooked up at eth0 |
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| 02:13.04 | rdz | running dhclient on it doesn't do anything. any ideas? |
| 02:13.36 | abrotman | jimcooncat: a) firefox is not in debian b) neither is thunderbird b) iceweasel is a web browser & icedove is a mail client |
| 02:13.44 | abrotman | oh .. two b's .. lose me |
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| 02:14.21 | jirka_prace | hello all |
| 02:14.39 | jimcooncat | abrotman: sorry, forgot -- but I would think the profiles directories would be similar, if not the same |
| 02:14.53 | abrotman | jimcooncat: they have different preferences though |
| 02:14.57 | jirka_prace | could somebody give me any clue about making image of bootable usb stick please? |
| 02:15.05 | abrotman | !usb install |
| 02:15.05 | dpkg | i guess usb-install is Yes, it is possible to boot Debian from a USB stick (commonly referred to as a thumbdrive or usb key, among others) as long as your computer BIOS can boot from usb: http://d-i.pascal.at/ or http://wiki.debian.org/USB-HD_Boot_Full_Debian |
| 02:15.45 | xayon | abrotman, just a question: why is still iceweasel using ~/.mozilla/firefox ? :-( |
| 02:16.07 | abrotman | xayon: i can only guess so third party bits don't get lost .. in reality .. NFC |
| 02:16.23 | jimcooncat | abrotman: how about synching .dot files for other programs? any good tools for managing preferences, like between home and work computers? |
| 02:16.33 | xayon | NFC? |
| 02:16.42 | abrotman | apt-cache search |
| 02:16.49 | abrotman | xayon: nfc= i have no idea :) |
| 02:16.55 | xayon | :P |
| 02:17.01 | jirka_prace | erm, i would like to burn image of usb stick (oposite way than all guides i found on the internet) |
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| 02:18.47 | abrotman | jimcooncat: i seem to recall seeing something .. but i think it was on freshmeat |
| 02:19.09 | abrotman | jimcooncat: or you can put your IW/ID data on a usb drive and carry it to/fro |
| 02:20.12 | jimcooncat | abrotman: yes, I've got ssh so I can manually sync them. I was looking for something to make it less painful. |
| 02:20.42 | abrotman | jimcooncat: rsync ? .. i'm sure freshmeat has something .. or possibly ask #firefox on irc.mozilla.org |
| 02:20.42 | jimcooncat | guess I'll have to start working with diff tools better |
| 02:21.16 | xayon | Mmmm, any way to play ok, mp4/acc? |
| 02:21.45 | xayon | Using totem i got no sound and with mplayer i just get half of the thing |
| 02:21.59 | jirka_prace | or in other words, i've got bootable usb stick now, and i'd like to clone it on cd. All guides, i've found deal with other way, eg. how to create image of harddisk, cd, ... and store it on the usb drive, but i'm afraid i can't use this way |
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| 02:22.43 | xayon | jimcooncat, look in firefox extensions, tought there was something like this, maybe using gmail or some online free service |
| 02:23.43 | jimcooncat | xayon: yes, I found that. I really dislike using someone else's server for my bookmarks and cookies. But I might resort to that. thanks |
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| 02:24.45 | jimcooncat | looks like I'll play with meld (a graphical diff tool). maybe I'll learn something, abrotman |
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| 02:30.14 | CryptoMole | hi all i need some help |
| 02:31.09 | CryptoMole | i want to install package fglrx_8.44.3-1 |
| 02:31.28 | abrotman | from where? |
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| 02:31.30 | CryptoMole | im on debian etch |
| 02:31.34 | abrotman | !fglrx one-liner |
| 02:31.34 | dpkg | i heard fglrx one-liner is update-pciids ; apt-get install module-assistant fglrx-driver fglrx-control fglrx-kernel-src && m-a prepare && m-a a-i fglrx && modprobe fglrx && echo fglrx >> /etc/modules && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg. Contrib and non-free sources needed. ask me about <non-free sources> |
| 02:31.57 | linux_jones | so once i install a tv tuner card, what do i use to watch tv? |
| 02:32.23 | abrotman | !info xawtv etch |
| 02:32.28 | dpkg | xawtv: (X11 TV application), section x11, is extra. Version: 3.95.dfsg.1-1 (etch), Packaged size: 229 kB, Installed size: 648 kB |
| 02:32.32 | jimcooncat | nice bot you got there! |
| 02:32.44 | abrotman | and no .. i don't know if it actually works .. i don't have atuner card :) |
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| 02:34.39 | Daveman | :) |
| 02:34.50 | abrotman | Daveman: how'd you know? |
| 02:35.03 | Daveman | ;) |
| 02:35.03 | abrotman | Daveman: it's been snowing here for about 24 hours :) |
| 02:35.11 | Daveman | yeah, crazy right? |
| 02:35.14 | abrotman | actually .. maybe more than |
| 02:35.31 | Daveman | I had the pleasure of driving back in fog and unrelenting sheets of water all morning |
| 02:35.32 | Daveman | yeah |
| 02:35.41 | Daveman | but up north it was snow crazy |
| 02:35.47 | abrotman | Daveman: uhm .. i'm not currently in PA :) |
| 02:35.51 | Daveman | I went skiing |
| 02:36.03 | Daveman | abrotman, good :) |
| 02:36.12 | Daveman | so long as you're not in canada :p |
| 02:36.15 | abrotman | Daveman: they're closing highways here .. i think so far we've gotten about 10 inches |
| 02:36.19 | abrotman | Daveman: close .. wisconsin :) |
| 02:36.22 | Daveman | nice |
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| 02:36.23 | Daveman | :P |
| 02:36.26 | Daveman | ah, moo country ;) |
| 02:36.31 | abrotman | mmm .. cheese |
| 02:36.43 | abrotman | i had "Spotted Cow Lager" the other night |
| 02:36.44 | Daveman | what's there, besides bovine, and relatives... and perhaps... bovinial relatives |
| 02:36.44 | Daveman | :P |
| 02:36.50 | Daveman | was it moolicious? |
| 02:37.16 | abrotman | http://www.newglarusbrewing.com/beers.cfm?BeerID=7 |
| 02:37.29 | Daveman | moo la la |
| 02:37.31 | abrotman | lots of damn snow .. that's it .. snow and cold |
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| 02:37.33 | Daveman | ;) |
| 02:37.38 | elmo40 | i like moola... |
| 02:37.42 | elmo40 | we have rain! |
| 02:37.42 | Daveman | heh |
| 02:37.45 | elmo40 | was +5 today |
| 02:37.46 | Daveman | yeah, |
| 02:37.55 | abrotman | elmo40: have you seen the Moola comcast commercial ? |
| 02:37.55 | Blue_Mousey | Any good howto's on Howto abuse debian for an Active Directory server? |
| 02:37.56 | Daveman | craptacular |
| 02:38.03 | abrotman | Blue_Mousey: the samba docs would work |
| 02:38.06 | Daveman | Abrotman, oh you |
| 02:38.06 | elmo40 | abrotman: no. |
| 02:38.15 | Daveman | you and you 95F dreamworld |
| 02:38.23 | Daveman | go back to florida, I say! bah! :P |
| 02:38.27 | Blue_Mousey | ok abrotman, i was planning on using them just wondering if there were more specific for debian |
| 02:38.32 | Daveman | or wherever your fantasy exists ;) |
| 02:38.52 | abrotman | Blue_Mousey: you might need some debian specific stuff .. but follow their stuff to start |
| 02:39.09 | abrotman | elmo40: http://youtube.com/watch?v=NEUUnIjHLaM |
| 02:39.28 | Blue_Mousey | First i'll start with a perfect setup :> |
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| 02:40.02 | abrotman | Blue_Mousey: i hear that's the way to go |
| 02:40.02 | xayon | is there any way to build a testing usb stick installer? |
| 02:40.12 | elmo40 | will take a look... does it have a privacy issue with its flash content? http://it.slashdot.org/it/07/12/22/2240257.shtml |
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| 02:40.33 | abrotman | elmo40: it's from youtube ... nfc |
| 02:40.52 | Blue_Mousey | abrotman, i'm currently going to try out how hard it is and write a howto for myself for implementing debian as AD server in networks |
| 02:41.09 | abrotman | Blue_Mousey: please publish if differs from samba docs! |
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| 02:41.13 | Blue_Mousey | See it as a pilot... if i like the results, Server 2003 will be dead. |
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| 02:41.41 | Blue_Mousey | abrotman, all non-company related material i will release, there are some restrictions though |
| 02:41.41 | xayon | Sorry, just closed, someone told me something? |
| 02:41.52 | abrotman | ok |
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| 02:44.22 | xayon | :( Tought someone answered me... (Question: Can I build a testing usb disk installer anyway? (note: I'm referring to install testing from a pendrive) |
| 02:46.53 | aindilis | PerfDave: the problem seems related to the (gasp) libnvidia-tls.so.1 file |
| 02:47.00 | LeGreffi3R | xayon> this has no-sense.. |
| 02:47.02 | aindilis | all the bad guys link against this |
| 02:47.08 | aindilis | or load it somehow |
| 02:47.20 | LeGreffi3R | xayon> testing changes its versions all the time... |
| 02:47.20 | aindilis | when I move it out of /usr/lib xmms actually starts with a hiccup |
| 02:47.31 | aindilis | but all the other die complaining about it |
| 02:47.38 | aindilis | any idea what is forcing them to load this? |
| 02:47.46 | xayon | LeGreffi3R, So what? |
| 02:47.55 | LeGreffi3R | xayon> your disk will become obsolete very fast... |
| 02:48.18 | xayon | LeGreffi3R, I'm going to use this only once |
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| 02:48.59 | aindilis | libnvidia-tls does not seem to belong to any package, it must have been deposited somehow when I was trying to get the darn video card to work. I returned it tho |
| 02:49.00 | xayon | I haven't got any other medium, not cd reader unit ... :/ ¿Maybe network install? |
| 02:49.20 | LeGreffi3R | xayon> netinstall is a very good way |
| 02:49.22 | streuner | !rube goldberg install |
| 02:49.22 | dpkg | "Hi! I want to install Debian with a 2.6.x kernel on a machine, but I can't boot from floppies, and I can't boot from CD-ROM, and I have no network card. I have only a USB dot matrix printer and a punch card reader." |
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| 02:49.52 | LeGreffi3R | dpkg> XD |
| 02:49.52 | dpkg | xD is a one-eyed, stoned, shit-eating grin, or a really unfunny smily face like :) but worse |
| 02:50.11 | LeGreffi3R | Oo |
| 02:50.18 | techouse | lol |
| 02:50.58 | LeGreffi3R | "is a one-eyed, stoned, shit-eating grin" <--- you know me?! |
| 02:51.17 | LeGreffi3R | couldn't be closer |
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| 02:55.51 | elmo40 | abrotman: that add is lame... |
| 02:55.59 | elmo40 | 'save moola' :/ |
| 02:56.15 | moshii | Is there a way of integrating 915resolution into the initramfs so that it fixes the video bios before the modules are loaded? |
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| 03:01.16 | abrotman | elmo40: yes .. it is |
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| 03:01.24 | abrotman | moshii: yes .. |
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| 03:02.11 | moshii | abrotman: A nice way via hooks or something? |
| 03:02.21 | abrotman | !blacklist-initramfs |
| 03:02.21 | dpkg | methinks blacklist-initramfs is If your kernel uses an initramfs image (most recent ones do), you need to run 'dpkg-reconfigure linux-image-$(uname -r)' in order to refresh its copy of blacklist table. Otherwise, early bootup won't follow your blacklist requests in e.g. /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist.local |
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| 03:02.44 | abrotman | but you're not blacklisting .. you're doing the opposite |
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| 03:03.57 | moshii | abrotman: I don't really want to blacklist the module, I want to run 915resolution to fix up the bios before it loads the module |
| 03:05.16 | abrotman | moshii: right .. |
| 03:05.40 | abrotman | /etc/initramfs-tools/ |
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| 03:06.48 | moshii | The underlaying problem is that the video bios doesnt contain a mode that fits this screen.. so the framebuffer looks a bit kack |
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| 03:11.27 | aindilis | PerfDave: thanks, running the nvidia-installer --uninstall removed all the poison |
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| 03:14.31 | Blue_Mousey | abrotman, you have any idea why debian is having issues loading in VirtualPC2007? |
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| 03:14.45 | abrotman | Blue_Mousey: which part of debian? i've never used VPC |
| 03:15.05 | Blue_Mousey | Well, it's having issues with detecting harddrives? |
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| 03:15.09 | abrotman | IIRC .. VPC emulates some awful hardware |
| 03:15.23 | CryptoMole | hi all |
| 03:16.03 | Tracy-P | I've not had a problem with hard drive detection with vpc 2004. |
| 03:16.06 | CryptoMole | can someone help me with fglrx install |
| 03:16.09 | Blue_Mousey | It's really strange, if i virtually reset it sometimes load a bit further and back |
| 03:16.44 | abrotman | !fgrlx one-liner |
| 03:16.48 | abrotman | !fglrx one-liner |
| 03:16.48 | dpkg | well, fglrx one-liner is update-pciids ; apt-get install module-assistant fglrx-driver fglrx-control fglrx-kernel-src && m-a prepare && m-a a-i fglrx && modprobe fglrx && echo fglrx >> /etc/modules && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg. Contrib and non-free sources needed. ask me about <non-free sources> |
| 03:16.50 | Tracy-P | the only time I've not been able to detect a harddrive is when I did not have one connected |
| 03:16.51 | CryptoMole | the driver i need is in sid im using etch |
| 03:17.10 | Blue_Mousey | Tracy-P, could you be more specific? |
| 03:17.18 | Blue_Mousey | What type of Virtual harddrives are you using? |
| 03:17.46 | Tracy-P | standard ones created by VPC 2004 |
| 03:18.01 | Blue_Mousey | Could you check if those are fixed drives? |
| 03:18.02 | CryptoMole | dpkg the driver is in sid |
| 03:18.02 | dpkg | ...but driver is already something else... |
| 03:18.18 | Tracy-P | I don't have 2007 installed here, and I haven't attempted to install it on the 2007 I have at work. |
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| 03:18.39 | Tracy-P | they are dynamic size drives |
| 03:18.48 | Blue_Mousey | ok, so no difference |
| 03:18.58 | Blue_Mousey | I'll install VPC2k4 than |
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| 03:19.06 | abrotman | CryptoMole: dpkg is a bot |
| 03:19.14 | CryptoMole | do i need to add sid and tesing to my sources |
| 03:19.18 | abrotman | no |
| 03:19.24 | CryptoMole | ok |
| 03:19.40 | CryptoMole | how can i get this new driver then? |
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| 03:19.58 | streuner | backport? |
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| 03:20.33 | simmerz | what would cause a connection to an nfs server to be ridiculously slow? I should be getting about 10MB/s. I used to on this machine, but I've reinstalled it, kept all the same mount options, and now I am lucky to get 100KB/s |
| 03:20.34 | abrotman | CryptoMole: why is the one in sid the one you want? |
| 03:20.42 | CryptoMole | i had backports in my sources |
| 03:20.52 | CryptoMole | glx capable |
| 03:20.54 | Blue_Mousey | wait |
| 03:21.37 | abrotman | !tell CryptoMole about simple sid backport |
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| 03:22.08 | streuner | abrotman: wait, whole X? |
| 03:22.13 | abrotman | why? |
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| 03:22.33 | CryptoMole | i tried that i must have did it wrong |
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| 03:23.00 | streuner | CryptoMole: whats the exact name of the package? |
| 03:23.14 | CryptoMole | i know the name |
| 03:23.32 | streuner | great, would you lets us know that too :-) |
| 03:23.36 | CryptoMole | its getting apt to install the right one |
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| 03:24.26 | CryptoMole | fglrx-driver_8.44.3-1_i386.deb |
| 03:24.47 | cyzie | hi, how do i do a complete test on the hdd status and save to a log for analysis? |
| 03:25.51 | abrotman | you can use the smartmontools |
| 03:26.04 | CryptoMole | streuner, i appreciate the help |
| 03:26.09 | cyzie | abrotman, what is the command ? |
| 03:26.17 | abrotman | uhm .. smartctl i think |
| 03:26.21 | streuner | so try what abrotman told you |
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| 03:27.01 | bazz | anyone have a link to using a broadcom card (bcm43xx) in master mode? |
| 03:27.50 | CryptoMole | before it was easy just added tesing and unstable and then update |
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| 03:28.00 | streuner | .oO |
| 03:28.08 | streuner | CryptoMole: What does 'dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1' say? |
| 03:28.22 | streuner | CryptoMole: and show us sources.list in paste.debian.net |
| 03:28.27 | CryptoMole | i'll tell ya in a sec |
| 03:28.33 | CryptoMole | ok |
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| 03:29.40 | streuner | !bobbitt |
| 03:29.41 | dpkg | Remember Lorena Bobbitt? Remember what she did to her husband's woody? Well, when you install binary packages from different branches onto your woody (...sarge, etch), you get the same result. Same goes for Sarge, Etch, and any other debian system, "debian based distro", or the fire that is <rpm>, <alien>, etc. |
| 03:31.14 | dagobart | I just upgraded from Sarge to Etch on /dev/hda15. Now I've got the issue, booting into /dev/hda15 results in /dev/hda15 to be displayed as /dev/hda7. Any idea how to switch it back to /dev/hda15? |
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| 03:32.25 | dagobart | As I suspected it to be grub's fault, I removed it and installed lilo instead, but still the same issue. |
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| 03:35.27 | prgmrchris | bazz: you mean monitor mode? |
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| 03:35.53 | simmer1 | why would a transfer be so slow (30KB/s) over a 100Mb/s connection? |
| 03:35.59 | simmer1 | nothing else happening on the network |
| 03:36.13 | prgmrchris | that protocol |
| 03:36.15 | prgmrchris | what* |
| 03:36.19 | simmer1 | nfs |
| 03:36.22 | streuner | !bcm43xx |
| 03:36.22 | dpkg | bcm43xx is a driver for Broadcom's wireless chipsets (http://bcm43xx.berlios.de/) included in kernels since 2.6.17-rc2, "modprobe bcm43xx" in Etch. Firmware required to be loaded before operation, ask me about <bcm43xx-fwcutter>. Replaced with <b43legacy> in kernels 2.6.24 and later. USB devices are not supported. |
| 03:36.23 | Blue_Mousey | Brb |
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| 03:36.35 | uzbek | good morning all |
| 03:36.37 | CryptoMole | my sources.listhttp://paste.debian.net/45489 |
| 03:36.46 | prgmrchris | streuner: dunno my nfs works fine |
| 03:36.53 | simmer1 | it was 10MB/s yesterday, and I've since reinstalled this machine. the other is a debian nfs virtual machine, and the server has almost no load on it from other vms |
| 03:36.59 | uzbek | can anyone tell me apt source of sid? |
| 03:37.04 | uzbek | or unstable? |
| 03:37.13 | uzbek | which one is better? |
| 03:37.32 | streuner | uzbek: /msg dpkg sid faq |
| 03:37.44 | simmer1 | prgmrchris: I'm using "rw,users,auto,hard,intr,retrans=5,rsize=8092,wsize=8092" as the options for the mount |
| 03:38.28 | streuner | CryptoMole: What does 'dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1' say? |
| 03:39.14 | CryptoMole | ii libc6 2.3.6.ds1-13etch2 GNU C Library: Shared libraries |
| 03:39.45 | streuner | ok, just comment the scr line for etch and use what abrotman told you before (/msg dpkg simple sid backport) |
| 03:39.54 | abrotman | src line |
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| 03:40.25 | streuner | #deb-src http://debian.osuosl.org/debian/ etch main contrib non-free |
| 03:41.16 | CryptoMole | dont i have that? |
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| 03:41.25 | uzbek | is testing better than sid? i mean more stable? |
| 03:41.33 | streuner | yes, but you should comment (#) that |
| 03:41.35 | uzbek | can anyone give me src line for testing? |
| 03:41.42 | abrotman | uzbek: man sources.list |
| 03:41.48 | abrotman | !tell uzbek about etch->lenny |
| 03:42.07 | uzbek | abrotman, is testing more stable than sid? |
| 03:42.14 | abrotman | !sid upgrade |
| 03:42.14 | dpkg | Repeat after me: Sid is NOT AN UPGRADE! Sid is meant for developers and testers, so stay away from it if you're neither. Use stable or testing instead. |
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| 03:44.15 | CryptoMole | so what does commenting the apt line do? |
| 03:44.22 | yigal | one could say Ubuntu is built off the wrong mentality using Sid as it does, one could say |
| 03:44.35 | streuner | CryptoMole: it just disable that |
| 03:44.38 | dagobart | where else, if not here, could I ask about the misnamed /dev/hda15 vs /dev/hda7? |
| 03:44.56 | abrotman | dagobart: do you actually have 15 parititons ? |
| 03:45.04 | dagobart | abrotman: yes |
| 03:45.10 | yigal | dagobart: wow |
| 03:45.12 | CryptoMole | why would i disable contrib and non-free? |
| 03:45.13 | abrotman | does it see all of them? |
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| 03:45.17 | uzbek | guys, can anyone tell me which one is more stable: testing or sid? |
| 03:45.24 | abrotman | uzbek: do not use sid |
| 03:45.35 | dagobart | actually, its 16, but 16 and 12 are empty by now |
| 03:45.38 | streuner | CryptoMole: no, you disable only the etch sources line |
| 03:45.49 | uzbek | abrotman, i guess it means testing is more stable :) |
| 03:45.49 | streuner | CryptoMole: man sources.list |
| 03:45.50 | CryptoMole | i did |
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| 03:46.11 | cyzie | anyone has any idea what could this means? Segmentation fault (core dumped) |
| 03:46.19 | kickback | i installed vsftpd and enabled ssl, but i get this error while trying to connect to the ftp server "500 Illegal PORT command" what could be the problem |
| 03:46.21 | abrotman | uzbek: it means if you have to ask .. you shouldn't be using sid |
| 03:46.25 | streuner | cyzie: What does 'dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1' say? |
| 03:46.34 | simmer1 | any ideas as to how i can get some more performance out of nfs? it's sitting at 30 or so kB/s instead of 10 or so mB/s |
| 03:46.44 | streuner | if you running etch/stable just use "memtest" then |
| 03:46.53 | cyzie | streuner, ii libc6 2.6.1-1ubuntu10 GNU C Library: Shared libraries |
| 03:47.07 | streuner | cyzie: #ubuntu |
| 03:47.09 | uzbek | abrotman, thanks! :) |
| 03:47.21 | cyzie | streuner, but ubuntu adn debian almost same |
| 03:47.26 | cyzie | but what could tha tmeans? |
| 03:47.31 | streuner | cyzie: /topic |
| 03:47.38 | abrotman | cyzie: please go to #ubuntu |
| 03:47.42 | kickback | what command to unload modules in debian |
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| 03:47.49 | cyzie | kickback, modprobe -r |
| 03:47.57 | yigal | uzbek: kickback rmmod |
| 03:48.02 | abrotman | not rmmod |
| 03:48.03 | yigal | my bad |
| 03:48.14 | yigal | abrotman: and why not ? |
| 03:48.16 | uzbek | yigal, what does it mean? |
| 03:48.22 | cyzie | is that errror fatal ? |
| 03:48.28 | cyzie | loook very bad error to me |
| 03:48.31 | abrotman | yigal: use modprobe |
| 03:48.59 | kickback | rmmod |
| 03:49.11 | Nyle | kickback: try to google th eerror memssage |
| 03:49.19 | kickback | i did |
| 03:49.21 | Nyle | kickback: I've seen that once on my box i can't recall what it was about though |
| 03:49.23 | kickback | not mcuh |
| 03:49.47 | kickback | Nyle, did it have something to do with the firewall settings |
| 03:50.11 | Nyle | something to do with vsftpd.conf |
| 03:50.25 | Nyle | make sure all your settings are correct and restart the service |
| 03:50.46 | Nyle | i remember i didn't have to do anything to my box, that much i remember |
| 03:50.55 | Nyle | i had only to fix some mundane setting in the conf |
| 03:52.09 | Nyle | or actually |
| 03:52.18 | Nyle | kickback: on the ftp client try to turn of pasv |
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| 03:52.35 | kickback | Nyle, yeah, i'v done that |
| 03:52.43 | yigal | abrotman: I see in the man page of rmmod that it specifically tells us that "most users will want to use modprobe(8) instead, with the -r option" but I wonder why anyways |
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| 03:53.42 | Nyle | kickback: basically you can login to the ftp server but it fails to give a directory listing and gives that error |
| 03:53.45 | Nyle | ? |
| 03:53.55 | kickback | yes |
| 03:54.09 | Nyle | local_enabled=yes ? |
| 03:54.16 | yigal | abrotman: Is it as bad as comparing a bike to a car? they can both get you to where you want to go but they do it differently and have different capabilities |
| 03:54.59 | abrotman | yigal: it really shouldn't be used anymore .. you can .. but modprobe doesn't things more correctly usually |
| 03:55.16 | kickback | Nyle, yes |
| 03:55.17 | Ace2016 | a car would so own a bike in a race |
| 03:55.38 | Nyle | kickback: is it possible to disable NAT filtering *firewall* for the time being to see what if it is caused by it |
| 03:55.59 | yigal | abrotman: it appears that modprobe has a dependency check where as rmmod doesn't seem to, I'm sure this is most likely not the main issue |
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| 03:56.30 | Ace2016 | so modproble can unload a module too? |
| 03:56.47 | abrotman | yes |
| 03:56.54 | yigal | Ace2016: -r |
| 03:57.05 | Ace2016 | oh ok, never knew that |
| 03:57.35 | kickback | Nyle, http://pastebin.ca/830660 thats whats happening |
| 03:58.07 | abrotman | they still make cuteftp ? |
| 03:58.17 | kickback | yes |
| 03:58.19 | kickback | lol |
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| 03:58.50 | Nyle | disable pasv on vsftpd and on ftp client |
| 03:58.50 | abrotman | i thought it died with the sock puppet .com mascot |
| 03:59.13 | yigal | does anyone know why my American/Verizon DSL account doesn't appear to load pages from pastebin.ca ? |
| 03:59.29 | Nyle | yigal: verizon dns servers are lame pieces of shit |
| 03:59.31 | kickback | Nyle, how do i disable pasv on vsftpd |
| 03:59.45 | yigal | Nyle: it appears this way, more and more |
| 03:59.54 | Steven_elvisda | i got something wrong with vsftp also |
| 04:00.01 | Steven_elvisda | i mean i don know what wrong to me |
| 04:00.05 | abrotman | get in line buddy! |
| 04:00.09 | abrotman | oh wait .. just ask :) |
| 04:00.11 | Steven_elvisda | i can not upload file to vsftp server |
| 04:00.19 | abrotman | Steven_elvisda: likely the permissions are wrong |
| 04:01.36 | Steven_elvisda | [root@superserver //]# ls -ali /home/ |
| 04:01.38 | Nyle | kickback: consult the docs |
| 04:01.54 | Steven_elvisda | 5309347 drwxrws--- 4 root ftp-users 4096 Nov 29 22:21 ftp-docs |
| 04:02.01 | Nyle | and |
| 04:02.06 | Nyle | 4.2.2.2 is the DNS I use |
| 04:02.08 | abrotman | are you FTPing as root? |
| 04:02.17 | Nyle | the verizon ones are horrible |
| 04:02.27 | Nyle | half the tiem debian.org doesn't even resolv for me |
| 04:02.38 | Nyle | I can't complain though, I don't pay for internet |
| 04:02.58 | Nyle | 4.2.2.2 is a good dns server, and actually you can even use opendns |
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| 04:05.31 | yigal | Steven_elvisda: are you really using root access :) |
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| 04:06.04 | Steven_elvisda | no |
| 04:06.14 | Steven_elvisda | my vsftp is user1 |
| 04:06.18 | Steven_elvisda | and i log with user1 too |
| 04:06.20 | abrotman | Steven_elvisda: do you get an error on the ftpd logs ? |
| 04:06.28 | Steven_elvisda | ermm |
| 04:06.33 | Steven_elvisda | nothing |
| 04:06.52 | Steven_elvisda | Thu Nov 29 15:23:09 2007 1 192.168.100.196 0 /home/ftp-docs/.vsftpd.conf b _ o r user1 ftp 0 * i |
| 04:07.29 | abrotman | oh .. now i have your IP! |
| 04:07.42 | abrotman | so when you upload from your client? it just says permission denied? |
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| 04:07.58 | Steven_elvisda | i use Flashfxp |
| 04:08.12 | abrotman | dunno what that is |
| 04:08.19 | Steven_elvisda | it is 1 file fail to transfer |
| 04:08.30 | PaulTT_ | Hi all! Could someone point me in the right direction on how to set up a second NIC? lspci shows that the second nic is recognized, however there's no eth1 |
| 04:08.30 | MuDBluR | hi all |
| 04:08.31 | Steven_elvisda | flashfxp is ftp client software |
| 04:08.41 | abrotman | PaulTT_: man 5 interfaces |
| 04:08.53 | MuDBluR | does any one having problems with hda-intel ? |
| 04:08.57 | Steven_elvisda | Transfer queue completed |
| 04:08.58 | Steven_elvisda | 1 File failed to transfer |
| 04:09.00 | abrotman | Steven_elvisda: and if you temporarily make it o+rw ? |
| 04:10.08 | Steven_elvisda | not yet |
| 04:10.19 | PaulTT_ | abrotman: thanks |
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| 04:12.03 | MuDBluR | anybody ? |
| 04:12.51 | Steven_elvisda | o+rw = what abrotman? |
| 04:13.08 | abrotman | it would add permission for anyone to read/write |
| 04:13.28 | rdz | anyone is familiar with network bridging? |
| 04:13.37 | Steven_elvisda | it still can not upload |
| 04:13.54 | kickback | Nyle, i disable pasv, no go |
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| 04:14.20 | kickback | how do i kill everything to do with iptables |
| 04:14.29 | kickback | modules etc |
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| 04:15.26 | yigal | kickback: you want to remove you iptables firewall? |
| 04:15.31 | Nyle | hi |
| 04:15.53 | kickback | Nyle, it works when i disable ssl |
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| 04:16.46 | anand | Hi all. Im getting "trying to overwrite `/usr/lib/libAtlas-0.6.la', which is also in package libatlas-cpp-0.6-0c2a" error while upgrading from Etch to Lenny |
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| 04:18.44 | abrotman | !overwrite |
| 04:18.45 | dpkg | The reason you have to use dpkg --force-overwrite is because the package you are trying to install has files which exist in another package and does not conflict with the other package. This is *ALWAYS* a bug. Make sure a bug is filed (ask me about <bts>). If there isn't one, use reportbug to report it. Then install using the following: apt-get -o DPkg::Options::="--force-overwrite" install <packagename> |
| 04:18.46 | kickback | Nyle, i can login to the ftp when i disable ssl |
| 04:19.02 | Nyle | kickback: yes I read that |
| 04:19.06 | kickback | lol |
| 04:19.08 | kickback | ok |
| 04:19.26 | Nyle | kickback: I have never tried to use ssl with ftp so I can't help you |
| 04:19.27 | kickback | does that shed some light on the situation |
| 04:19.47 | Nyle | plus I'm trying VERY hard to get high as well |
| 04:19.53 | kickback | lol |
| 04:19.57 | kickback | ok cheers |
| 04:20.03 | kickback | merry hoho |
| 04:20.19 | Nyle | hm |
| 04:20.21 | abrotman | there is a #vsftpd .. which is likely sleeping .. but it's there |
| 04:20.24 | Nyle | ssl + ftp hm |
| 04:20.38 | Steven_elvisda | can i change form this one |
| 04:20.39 | Steven_elvisda | 5309347 drwxr-x--- 4 root ftp-users 4096 Nov 29 22:21 ftp-docs |
| 04:20.40 | Steven_elvisda | to |
| 04:20.47 | Steven_elvisda | 5309347 drwxr-x--- 4 ftp-users ftp-users 4096 Nov 29 22:21 ftp-docs |
| 04:20.49 | Steven_elvisda | ? |
| 04:20.54 | abrotman | chown |
| 04:21.07 | Nyle | Steven_elvisda: u |
| 04:21.12 | Nyle | um what dude |
| 04:21.20 | cerbereus | hello everyone someone can help me i cannot install fglrx when i put fgrlx my X crash and also my system like the colors become blur |
| 04:21.24 | Steven_elvisda | chown ftp-user:ftp-users /folder |
| 04:21.40 | Steven_elvisda | or |
| 04:21.44 | Steven_elvisda | chown root:ftp-users /folder |
| 04:22.15 | Nyle | cerbereus: video card? debian release? fglrx packaged in debian? or from ati.amd.com? check /var/log/Xorg.0.log towards the end, or grep for EE |
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| 04:23.00 | Steven_elvisda | which one? |
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| 04:23.51 | maddash | !fonts |
| 04:23.51 | dpkg | fonts is probably check http://www.nwalsh.com/comp.fonts/FAQ/ for general info, ask me about <font guide>, or http://www.kegel.com/linux/tt.html and http://www.linux-mag.com/2000-02/guru_01.html or http://linuxgazette.net/issue96/adam.html, or http://egads.ertius.org/~rob/font_guide.txt, or http://www.fsf.org/blogs/licensing/20050425novalis |
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| 04:24.32 | Nyle | cerbereus: I would advise you to get the latest fglrx from ati.amd.com, and run the installer with --listpkg and see what you need. it would be like --buildpkg Debian/etch and that will generate the source packages, install em, use module-assistant to build the driver, and modprobe it |
| 04:24.38 | Nyle | you should be good to go |
| 04:24.54 | deoptima | anyone anygood with linux vserver? |
| 04:25.04 | Nyle | !tell deoptima -about ask |
| 04:25.23 | cerbereus | i already do that with lenny even i made it clean |
| 04:25.41 | anand | ok |
| 04:26.03 | Nyle | anand: mera bhai |
| 04:26.41 | maddash | what's the difference between "/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/Type1" and the /usr/share/fonts/ counterpart? |
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| 04:27.30 | Nyle | Adds a spell that summons a spell to an Oblivion Dimension. This Dimension is used for storage! |
| 04:27.33 | Nyle | oops |
| 04:27.44 | Nyle | need anew mouse this middle wheel clic is loose |
| 04:27.59 | deoptima | is there a way to run foward sshd to something like vhost1.xxx.net to a vps running on the same box as my main sshd keeping the port as 22? |
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| 04:30.47 | cerbereus | Nyle, i got this erro |
| 04:30.48 | cerbereus | r |
| 04:30.50 | cerbereus | (EE) RADEON(0): [dri] RADEONDRIGetVersion failed to open the DRM |
| 04:30.50 | cerbereus | [dri] Disabling DRI. |
| 04:31.10 | cerbereus | (EE) AIGLX: Screen 0 is not DRI capable |
| 04:31.15 | Nyle | heh |
| 04:31.24 | Nyle | cerbereus: which driver version? |
| 04:31.29 | cerbereus | 7.12 |
| 04:31.36 | cerbereus | using lenny |
| 04:31.40 | Nyle | cerbereus: hmm that driver was broken for me |
| 04:31.42 | Nyle | I dunno |
| 04:31.47 | Nyle | I switched back to 8.42.3 |
| 04:31.54 | Nyle | thats just me though |
| 04:32.00 | Nyle | try #ati |
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| 04:32.11 | cerbereus | the funny is now with all the driver heheh |
| 04:32.12 | Nyle | also |
| 04:32.22 | cerbereus | yes? |
| 04:32.25 | Nyle | is the 'dri' module loaded? |
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| 04:32.27 | Nyle | in xorg.conf? |
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| 04:33.30 | lakcaj | Hello. How would I find out what process is thrashing my harddrive? |
| 04:33.30 | Nyle | anyway, try to disable it, and keep only glx enabled |
| 04:33.40 | Nyle | thrashing? |
| 04:34.00 | chance2105 | Is there a nice IRC library (similar to libcurl is for HTTP) that's packaged with Debian? |
| 04:34.05 | cerbereus | ok for disable just put #? |
| 04:34.19 | Nyle | yes |
| 04:34.22 | cerbereus | coz right now i m using the original xorg hehe so i must crash the system :P |
| 04:34.34 | cerbereus | if it's loaded the dri |
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| 04:34.46 | Nyle | cerbereus: you can always just load vesa temporarily instead of working in console |
| 04:34.50 | Nyle | oh nm i misunderstood you |
| 04:34.54 | lakcaj | Nyle, my HD has been acting like it's being accessed to a couple minutes straight, almost like it is swapping heavily, but I don't have anything running that would cause that |
| 04:35.02 | lakcaj | s/to/for |
| 04:35.28 | cerbereus | well i follow ur advice and then i will try to go at #ati, thanks for the tip |
| 04:35.56 | cerbereus | i will back on couple of min ;) thank u Nyle and merry xmas |
| 04:36.03 | Nyle | yup |
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| 04:36.24 | gamag | hi. if a parent process dies and the child process goes under PPID 1, where will it write its standard output? |
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| 04:37.30 | Nyle | !gamag |
| 04:37.33 | Nyle | !nyle |
| 04:37.44 | Nyle | !nickometer nyle |
| 04:37.45 | gamag | !nyle |
| 04:37.46 | dpkg | 'nyle' is 0.000% lame, nyle |
| 04:37.50 | gamag | !gamag |
| 04:37.50 | Nyle | im bored |
| 04:37.56 | gamag | !gamg |
| 04:38.00 | gamag | !gamag |
| 04:38.04 | Nyle | gamag: I dunno |
| 04:38.13 | gamag | Nyle: what is !nyle, !gamag |
| 04:38.18 | Nyle | nothing |
| 04:38.26 | gamag | Nyle: are you bot or real person. I am confused now. |
| 04:38.33 | Nyle | bot. |
| 04:38.49 | Nyle | lol |
| 04:38.52 | Nyle | don't msg me man im not a bot |
| 04:38.56 | Nyle | im jut fucking bored shitless |
| 04:38.57 | yigal | he is a figment of your imagination |
| 04:39.01 | gamag | Nyle: oh! sorry. |
| 04:39.04 | Nyle | hehe |
| 04:39.09 | Nyle | I dunno about your question |
| 04:39.24 | Nyle | parent dies but child goes under #1? |
| 04:39.35 | Nyle | how would that happen? or something |
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| 04:39.50 | gamag | Nyle: yes it happens many times, if the child blocks the TERM, HUP signal and decides to stay alive. |
| 04:39.51 | sebas891 | what would be a best christmas gift to a debian fan? |
| 04:39.55 | Nyle | oh yes |
| 04:40.08 | Nyle | sebas891: more ram is always nice |
| 04:40.25 | Nyle | sebas891: but working out the RC bugs in testing is best gift |
| 04:40.26 | yigal | freedom |
| 04:40.33 | Nyle | that way we get a stabl release faster |
| 04:40.49 | sebas891 | Nyle: yep! |
| 04:41.13 | Nyle | you can just see the quality of ubuntu becasue of its 6 onths relese cycle |
| 04:41.23 | Nyle | problems upon p roblems like you won't believe |
| 04:41.34 | Nyle | thas WHY debian kicks so much buttocks |
| 04:41.47 | yigal | its like trying to have a baby at 6 months imho |
| 04:41.51 | Nyle | lol |
| 04:42.08 | Nyle | how long does it take for ubuntu developers to take a shit? |
| 04:42.09 | sebas891 | ubuntu are taking care of the shiny parts... |
| 04:42.17 | Nyle | 6 months. |
| 04:42.19 | Nyle | HAHAHA ;) |
| 04:42.54 | yigal | :) |
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| 04:43.57 | yigal | hi vimrc |
| 04:44.07 | Nyle | man |
| 04:44.14 | Nyle | i wanna grow up and be russian |
| 04:44.19 | sebas891 | if ubuntu can make debian stronger, that is a good thing (tm) |
| 04:44.39 | yigal | sebas891: its the if part thats at question |
| 04:44.48 | Nyle | if |
| 04:44.51 | Nyle | i think it does |
| 04:44.57 | Zippy2 | Nyle: speaking of which, i just got some stoli vanil |
| 04:44.58 | [deXter] | So all you deb lovers, can you recommend me a good distro for a low-end PC (to be used for websurfing, no flash, but some java gaming) |
| 04:44.59 | Nyle | it gets the debian name out |
| 04:45.05 | yigal | yes, it does |
| 04:45.07 | Nyle | Zippy2: ok? |
| 04:45.28 | sebas891 | [deXter]: debian ;) |
| 04:45.31 | Nyle | debian etxh |
| 04:45.33 | Nyle | etch |
| 04:45.45 | [deXter] | etch's the best?> |
| 04:45.50 | Nyle | Debian etch for my man [deXter] here |
| 04:46.08 | sebas891 | |o| |
| 04:46.13 | Nyle | !d-i [deXter] |
| 04:46.14 | dpkg | [deXter], you want to go to http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/debian-installer/ Or http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ (if you've got hardware that the 4.0r0 installer doesn't support) for your own good, and everyone else's. |
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| 04:47.19 | [deXter] | Nyle: Thanks :) |
| 04:47.58 | sebas891 | good night folks. |
| 04:48.10 | [deXter] | etch uses which wm by default? |
| 04:48.14 | sebas891 | joyeux noël stie! |
| 04:48.18 | Nyle | none |
| 04:48.24 | Nyle | cd1 == gnome |
| 04:48.39 | [deXter] | Flux is the lowest resource hogging wm, right? |
| 04:48.46 | Nyle | install with netinst...install otherstuff ass u need it |
| 04:48.46 | yigal | dwm |
| 04:49.11 | Nyle | actually the rodent killer is the least |
| 04:49.16 | yigal | [deXter]: openbox,ion,rp |
| 04:49.16 | [deXter] | O.o |
| 04:49.17 | Nyle | rat poison |
| 04:49.24 | yigal | all good |
| 04:49.37 | gamag | I use Lenny and it is amazing |
| 04:49.50 | Blue_Mousey | i use etch |
| 04:50.18 | Nyle | I use my hand |
| 04:50.21 | Nyle | its pretty amazing too |
| 04:50.25 | Nyle | i mean |
| 04:50.28 | Nyle | did i say that out loud |
| 04:50.29 | yigal | i use my head sometimes |
| 04:50.33 | Nyle | oops |
| 04:50.50 | Blue_Mousey | !ops Nyle |
| 04:50.50 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: blue_mousey complains about: Nyle |
| 04:51.04 | Nyle | dude |
| 04:51.06 | Nyle | what the fuck? |
| 04:51.15 | Nyle | that was totally uncalled for. |
| 04:51.40 | yigal | Blue_Mousey: using a Fruedian in an irc, thats bs |
| 04:51.44 | mentor | !tell Nyle about enter |
| 04:52.14 | Nyle | mentor: :( I am aware |
| 04:52.19 | [deXter] | But has anyone done any benchmark on which wm is the lightest? I mean does anybody have the stats to proove it? |
| 04:52.43 | yigal | [deXter]: not to my knowledge, interesting q though |
| 04:52.45 | Nyle | [deXter]: what is your hardware? |
| 04:53.02 | Nyle | lets just give you a few recommendations, tell us what you're working with |
| 04:53.12 | [deXter] | Nyle: It's an AMD K6-2 @ 550 Mhz. Not too bad, but the lack of L2 cache is killing me. |
| 04:53.19 | Nyle | ok |
| 04:53.28 | [deXter] | Since I want to run Java apps, I'd like the wm+distro to be as light as possible. |
| 04:53.48 | yigal | [deXter]: and if you aren't comfortable using mostly keyboard but you want a light distro then flux is good and openbox is also good |
| 04:53.50 | Nyle | any *box wm should do plus x11 apps instead of gtk/2 |
| 04:53.51 | Nyle | etc. |
| 04:53.59 | bullgard4 | Does etch contain a file 'sleep.sh'? |
| 04:54.02 | Nyle | how much RAM do you have |
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| 04:54.05 | Nyle | that si the question |
| 04:54.08 | Nyle | screw the cpu |
| 04:54.13 | [deXter] | Nyle: 576 MB |
| 04:54.20 | Nyle | go with xfce4 |
| 04:54.33 | Nyle | if that turn sout to be too slow, go with a box wm |
| 04:54.45 | yigal | 2nded |
| 04:56.12 | [deXter] | Is BlackBox still being developed? |
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| 04:56.20 | Nyle | I don't think so |
| 04:56.31 | Nyle | some windows variants are |
| 04:57.28 | Nyle | like bblean, bb4win etc. |
| 04:57.39 | [deXter] | Yeah, I'm on bblean at present on XP |
| 04:58.40 | Nyle | yeh man |
| 04:59.04 | Nyle | virtual plastic + some xpize or brico packs + bb4win == ftw on windows |
| 04:59.16 | Nyle | and nlite too |
| 04:59.17 | yigal | bullgard4: yes its in the package acpi-support |
| 04:59.31 | yigal | bullgard4: yes its in the package acpi-support |
| 04:59.56 | [deXter] | yeah. XP with bb4win isn't too bad on this box but the instability is killing me. |
| 04:59.58 | bullgard4 | yigal: Thank you very much for answering. I wish you a merry Christmas. |
| 05:00.07 | [deXter] | stupid Microsoft and their ACPI >_> |
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| 05:00.33 | Nyle | stupid dpkg |
| 05:00.37 | Nyle | hm wait |
| 05:00.40 | DawnLight | there are desktop environments for xp? |
| 05:00.41 | Nyle | dpkg: stupid bot |
| 05:00.41 | dpkg | no, stupid nyle |
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| 05:00.49 | Nyle | hehe thats funny to me |
| 05:00.53 | [deXter] | lol |
| 05:01.20 | Nyle | DawnLight: toyd, bb4win, talisman, liteshell, desktopX |
| 05:01.22 | Nyle | etc. etc. |
| 05:01.45 | DawnLight | etc. etc.?? any reccomendations? |
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| 05:02.27 | [deXter] | DawnLight: Highly recommend bb4win if you're looking for a lightweight and stable shell :) |
| 05:02.33 | Nyle | http://www.shellcity.net/cgi-bin/DB_Search/db_search.cgi?setup_file=topicpage.setup.cgi&submit_search=yes&topic=A |
| 05:03.01 | Nyle | visit this link |
| 05:03.02 | maddash | 'bb4win'? which package is that? |
| 05:03.09 | Nyle | huge list of alternate windows desktops and shell replacements |
| 05:03.24 | Nyle | maddash: its not a package, its a post of blackbox for windows nt |
| 05:03.28 | Nyle | port |
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| 05:11.13 | unperson | How is the support for HFS+ file systems in Debian (say, testing)? Can you read reliably? Can you write reliably? |
| 05:12.37 | bazz | (crap, got called away and I see someone replied to me but it's passed my scrollback so...) anyone have a link to using a broadcom card (bcm43xx) in master mode? |
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| 05:13.34 | Claudio32m | is there a utility that can track how much bandwidth each user on a linux system uses? |
| 05:13.44 | Claudio32m | i was looking on freshmeat |
| 05:13.48 | yigal | bazz: works perfectly with ndiswrappers and proprietary drivers |
| 05:13.58 | yigal | bazz: but I'm not sure about open source |
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| 05:14.02 | bazz | yigal: in master mode? |
| 05:14.12 | bazz | yigal: i don't think ndis does master |
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| 05:14.29 | unperson | Claudio32m, I have no idea if it will do anything like what you want, but you could look into ntop. |
| 05:14.44 | Claudio32m | ok thanks |
| 05:14.45 | unperson | Claudio32m, I think it's supposed to be like top but for network usage. |
| 05:14.49 | Claudio32m | nice |
| 05:14.52 | yigal | oh, never mind ? :) |
| 05:15.24 | Claudio32m | another thing, when i login to my debian boxes it takes a while to get the password prompt |
| 05:15.30 | Claudio32m | is PAM what i have to configure to make it faster? |
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| 05:16.37 | Rusty1 | Claudio32m: http://www.howtoforge.com/tracking_tcp_connectios_with_tcptrack dunno |
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| 05:24.33 | goldlord | I want to install following lib "libgnomebreakpad.so". Where can I find that? |
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| 05:26.11 | jetscreamer | !search |
| 05:26.11 | dpkg | methinks search is try 'apt-cache search <regex>', if you want to know what package owns a file use dpkg -S /bin/foo. To find a package based on what files it includes use 'aptitude install apt-file;apt-file update;apt-file search foo'. Use http://packages.debian.org if you're not on a debian system. /msg <bot> find <thing> if you're already here. /msg <bot> listkeys <thing> to find factoids containing <thing>. see http://wiki.debian.org/WhereIsIt |
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| 05:28.51 | goldlord | dpkg, I am using debian sid I installed the vpython I tried to create a program I am facing the " Failed to load module "libgnomebreakpad.so":" |
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| 05:33.11 | jetscreamer | no idea |
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| 05:34.02 | jetscreamer | so what's the deal with the mirrors atm |
| 05:35.12 | jetscreamer | might be fixed now though |
| 05:35.55 | jetscreamer | seems to be |
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| 05:38.21 | goldlord | jetscreamer, already that lib present in my modules /usr/lib/gtk-2.0/modules/folder |
| 05:39.04 | jetscreamer | i can't compile my way out of a wet paper bag |
| 05:39.20 | jetscreamer | cept kernels |
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| 05:41.02 | Nyle | jetscreamer: hi |
| 05:41.07 | Vasistha | I've installed debian on a usb flash drive using the "encrypted lvm" option. it's booting partially, but not all the way, and it's never asking me for a password. Any help? |
| 05:41.11 | goldlord | thanks jetscreamer, dpkg |
| 05:41.11 | dpkg | goldlord: no problem |
| 05:42.23 | Nyle | Vasistha: where does it stopppp |
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| 05:43.05 | Nyle | |
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| 05:43.25 | Vasistha | Nyle: well ... let's see. the last lines I see are showing the usb drive and its partitions being detected; earlier, though, there is a line about cryptsetup failing |
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| 05:43.38 | Nyle | hm |
| 05:43.50 | Nyle | hang on im gonna meditate on this |
| 05:44.30 | Vasistha | Nyle: alright, I will go get myself set up so I can seriously work on it |
| 05:44.40 | jetscreamer | hey nyle |
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| 05:46.58 | jetscreamer | ohmmmmm' |
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| 05:47.11 | jetscreamer | waaaattts |
| 05:47.39 | Nyle | up? |
| 05:47.50 | Nyle | not muc |
| 05:47.54 | Nyle | chicken biryani |
| 05:48.00 | Nyle | and mutton korma |
| 05:48.05 | Nyle | o yea |
| 05:48.05 | jetscreamer | woohoo! |
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| 05:48.14 | Nyle | did you see my vids |
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| 05:50.32 | YGingras | hey, I lost my alioth passwd. The reset passwd form tells me user ygingras doesn't exists but the new user form tells me that it does |
| 05:50.33 | bliss_ | set up a mx record for som.nymdomain.net as a virtual domain but when i sent mail it comes back <someone@som.mydomain.net>: |
| 05:50.33 | bliss_ | Sorry,_I_couldn't_find_any_host_named_son..mydomain.net._(#5.1.2)/ |
| 05:50.43 | YGingras | what whoud I do? |
| 05:50.50 | extor | whats the best torrent client to run on a shell account? I got two files about 8 gigs each and I don't want to nurse them like babies and hog up my connection for then ext 2 weeks either |
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| 05:52.14 | YGingras | extor: I think that you can set the ratio with bittornado |
| 05:52.29 | jetscreamer | check out rtorrent maybe |
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| 05:52.44 | Nyle | jetscreamer: did ya not |
| 05:52.45 | Nyle | yet |
| 05:52.51 | YGingras | I use the ncurse or the headless vesion in screen and kill it when I feel that I've seeded enough |
| 05:53.14 | jetscreamer | no not yet Nyle .. still working |
| 05:53.20 | jetscreamer | i have tomorrow |
| 05:53.23 | bliss_ | whats the basic problem when a host cannot be found as in what i said above |
| 05:53.25 | jetscreamer | today was weird |
| 05:53.40 | extor | so bittornado can work without a GUI or does it need to export an X session or something |
| 05:53.48 | extor | oh ok ncurses |
| 05:54.15 | jetscreamer | extor: man btdownloadcurses manycurses headless gui et al |
| 05:54.18 | bliss_ | how's it going liable? |
| 05:54.33 | jetscreamer | bittornado supplies them... other ones also supply those |
| 05:54.47 | YGingras | headless + screen is really good |
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| 05:57.06 | maddash | where are the *.hints files generated by defoma-hints supposed to go? |
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| 05:57.51 | hisitech | msg dpkg unix lessons/ |
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| 06:05.09 | Vasistha | Nyle: After typing up all this crap, I think I have some insight into this problem... http://paste.debian.net/45491 |
| 06:06.04 | Vasistha | Nyle: it looks like what's happening, is that during the boot sequence, it is attempting to load the lvm and crypto stuff BEFORE the usb drive has been registered as /dev/sda ! |
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| 06:10.50 | Vasistha | so, what determines the order in which this stuff happens? Why does the kernel choose to attempt to load lvm and crypto, before registering usb devices? And how easy will it be to change the order in which that happens? |
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| 06:15.39 | PaulTT_ | Could someone point me in the proper direction to rename a machine and its hostname? |
| 06:16.59 | Vasistha | PaulTT_: /etc/hostname ... although there may be a util to do it, I'm not sure if some apps need to reregister. man hostname |
| 06:17.00 | nvz | PaulTT_: man hostname |
| 06:17.25 | PaulTT_ | thanks |
| 06:17.27 | nvz | you run hostname -F /etc/hostname after you change it |
| 06:18.46 | Vasistha | blubberdiblub: hey, thanks again for all your help last night. I'm starting to get some insight into what's wrong: it seems that the system is attempting to set up the lvm and crypto stuff before the drive has been registered as /dev/sda ... so of course it can't find /dev/sda5 when /dev/sda has not yet been created by udev :P |
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| 06:19.36 | hoxu | PaulTT_, also /etc/mailname |
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| 06:20.09 | blubberdiblub | Vasistha: np... but i guess you missed valdyn last night by about 30mins or 1h or so |
| 06:20.25 | PaulTT_ | thank you all for your help :) |
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| 06:20.55 | Vasistha | blubberdiblub: huh. where is he in the world, anyway? I'm in Los Angeles ... and I was busy all day today :P not a minute for irc between getting up at 8 and right now, 10 at night |
| 06:22.15 | shamrock | I have my own domain name. Is it exim4 I should/could use on Debian Lenny to receive emails to "user@mydomain.net"? Recommendations? Any setup tutorials you could suggest? |
| 06:22.42 | Vasistha | hmm, maybe I will try just reinstalling, and perhaps after the install - when the drive is mounted for the purpose of copying files - it will let me go in there and tweak some things :D |
| 06:23.15 | blubberdiblub | Vasistha: no idea sorry. anyways, you could try to have usb set up earlier than lvm/crypt, but i don't know how ... udev is started very early in the boot process, but the problem may be, that it continues working in the background and may be done too late with usb or something |
| 06:23.17 | hoxu | shamrock, yes, you can use exim for that |
| 06:23.20 | Vasistha | shamrock: well, do you have a static ip address, and a server that will be always on that that domain points to? |
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| 06:23.32 | keram | hello |
| 06:23.46 | keram | i'm having some trouble mounting a nfs folder |
| 06:23.54 | keram | its just hanging on the mount command |
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| 06:24.04 | Vasistha | blubberdiblub: yeah, that makes some sense. Maybe I need to look into udev priority settings or something. Thanks for the thought :) |
| 06:24.17 | keram | it is very odd because on two other very similar installs it works fine while mounting the same exact folder |
| 06:24.18 | shamrock | Vasistha: a dyndns ip address. |
| 06:24.41 | keram | now i'm getting an error "cannot read superblock" |
| 06:24.42 | Vasistha | keram: it may very well be a firewall issue. I know that when I have a firewall up, it takes 3 minutes to do an nfs mount, and 3 minutes to umount; without the firewall, it takes just a couple seconds. |
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| 06:25.53 | blubberdiblub | Vasistha: either that, or maybe just have usb modules (all the ones that are needed for your device) loaded explicitly through /etc/modules, or find some way to sync udev to your requirements, like a init-script between udev and lvm/crypt that waits for the device to appear. or maybe udev already has such functionality, don't know |
| 06:26.02 | niru | I have downladed lenny version of repo |
| 06:26.09 | niru | and debian-installer from http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/svn.html |
| 06:26.15 | niru | After building the cd |
| 06:26.25 | niru | I face the problem of kernel mismatch |
| 06:26.44 | niru | but where as I have kernel 2.6.22-3-486 available in both |
| 06:27.25 | keram | Vasistha, there is no firewall |
| 06:27.48 | keram | at least i'm pretty sure there isnt |
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| 06:29.19 | keram | ah |
| 06:29.22 | keram | i needed -o nolock |
| 06:29.25 | keram | now it works |
| 06:29.32 | Vasistha | nice job |
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| 06:39.33 | maddash | how is '/etc ' pronounced? |
| 06:39.52 | [deXter] | I call it etcetera |
| 06:39.55 | maddash | every time I edit xorg.conf, I mumble myself, "slash et cetera" |
| 06:40.18 | maddash | haha, but 'etc''s expanded form should be related to confs |
| 06:40.26 | Guerin_ | it's pronounced etc |
| 06:41.07 | [deXter] | pronounced etc or EE TEE CEE ? |
| 06:41.17 | Guerin_ | etc |
| 06:41.18 | hoxu | [deXter], yes |
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| 06:43.10 | Guerin_ | more like ettic |
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| 06:45.09 | Vasistha | hum, so how do I mount an encrypted lvm device? I know the password... just don't know the steps |
| 06:45.30 | niru | where to download lenny debian-installer |
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| 06:47.35 | Vasistha | niru: I think generally people just use the etch installer and then dist-upgrade |
| 06:48.20 | niru | dist upgrade for d-i? |
| 06:48.26 | niru | Vasistha, |
| 06:48.44 | Guerin_ | read the install guide |
| 06:48.55 | Guerin_ | it exists to answer these questions |
| 06:49.02 | niru | Vasistha, I am bulding the cd |
| 06:49.17 | niru | Guerin_, i am building the cd |
| 06:49.22 | niru | not just installaing the things |
| 06:49.50 | Guerin_ | niru: last I heard the lenny installer was horribly broken |
| 06:49.58 | Guerin_ | so build off etch as a base |
| 06:50.12 | Guerin_ | but since you need an installed system to work from, it seems moot |
| 06:51.33 | niru | Guerin_, you mean i shall download the d-i from etch and upgrade the source |
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| 06:52.49 | blubberdiblub | Vasistha: why not try starting /etc/init.d/cryptsetup manually after udev has settled, if you're only figuring out if it's a udev timing issue? |
| 06:53.33 | Vasistha | blubberdiblub: that sounds like a wonderful idea, I will try it! |
| 06:53.33 | kaxi | what do i need to install to get firefox fonts to look good? |
| 06:53.39 | blubberdiblub | Vasistha: s/cryptsetup/cryptdisks/ |
| 06:53.59 | Guerin_ | kaxi: they look fine by default on all of my systems |
| 06:54.35 | kaxi | Guerin_ sorry- i was not clear. i have the essentials only installed. i used debootstrap to do it. |
| 06:54.58 | Guerin_ | kaxi: no idea, then. Probably defoma or somesuch' |
| 06:55.03 | blubberdiblub | Vasistha: or maybe /etc/init.d/cryptdisks-early first |
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| 06:58.01 | heroxbd | Hi, I'm viewing the script of im-switch, and L48 in /etc/X11/Xsession.d/80im-switch says: |
| 06:58.02 | heroxbd | [ "$_XIM" ] && XIM=$_XIM || true |
| 06:58.26 | heroxbd | What does that mean? |
| 06:58.30 | niru | Guerin_, ? |
| 06:59.35 | heroxbd | Is it just a logical expression or execute XIM=$_XIM? |
| 06:59.47 | maddash | heroxbd: no. #bash |
| 07:00.04 | heroxbd | Oh, sorry |
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| 07:01.18 | Vasistha | blubberdiblub: hmm. I have not /etc/init.d ... since root is not mounted, there is very minimal stuff here :) |
| 07:01.23 | PaulTT_ | hah.. they're having a hard time with debian at the server provider I'm using. They've managed to have it boot up gnome and search for dhcp connections. |
| 07:01.24 | Vasistha | have *no |
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| 07:02.20 | blubberdiblub | Vasistha: but the initrd should have initscripts, i guess ... but then, i never use initrd, so i can't tell |
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| 07:02.47 | Vasistha | blubberdiblub: which, of course, makes me wonder ... I don't think any changes to anything in /etc/init.d can possibly fix this -- since root is not even mounted yet. I guess I need to learn about initrd, yeah. |
| 07:03.37 | blubberdiblub | Vasistha: well, i was talking about the stuff inside the initrd, which is / before the real root is mounted |
| 07:04.26 | Vasistha | blubberdiblub: ah, right. there's not much in there! But it looks like I'm going to need to make a custom initrd, huh? |
| 07:05.04 | blubberdiblub | Vasistha: no idea. but the cryptsetup package has a package as suggests for creating initrds |
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| 07:06.11 | Vasistha | blubberdiblub: good to know. yeah, I think I'm on the right track here ... I guess I'll go to bed and ask in the morning when the channel is more active :) |
| 07:06.12 | blubberdiblub | Vasistha: initramfs-tools or yaird |
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| 07:07.50 | blubberdiblub | well, it's 08:07 around here ;) |
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| 07:08.23 | Vasistha | 23:08 here in Los Angeles |
| 07:09.19 | Vasistha | it occurs to me that, since the initrd is on the /boot partition, I do not necessarily need to reinstall at all ... I just need to make a custom initrd, throw it on the /boot partition, and try again! Feels like I'm getting closer and closer here. |
| 07:09.45 | blubberdiblub | yeah, sounds reasonable |
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| 07:10.10 | ErichVon | Does anyone know how I can install avant window manager on etch? |
| 07:12.13 | Guerin_ | ErichVon: is it in debian? |
| 07:12.25 | ErichVon | Yes |
| 07:12.33 | Guerin_ | ErichVon: aptitude install avant |
| 07:13.07 | Guerin_ | failing that, aptitude search avant, and install the packages which come up |
| 07:13.26 | ErichVon | Cheers, will try that |
| 07:14.38 | ErichVon | Nothing comes up |
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| 07:22.21 | maddash | !maddashstrike |
| 07:22.37 | maddash | !ping |
| 07:22.37 | dpkg | pong |
| 07:22.51 | maddash | wtf is wrong with dpkg? |
| 07:23.09 | liable | it only replies to things it knows about |
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| 07:23.31 | ErichVon | !awm |
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| 07:23.37 | maddash | !ping |
| 07:23.37 | dpkg | pong |
| 07:23.44 | ErichVon | !avant |
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| 07:24.01 | maddash | !ping |
| 07:24.01 | dpkg | pong |
| 07:24.12 | [deXter] | !pong |
| 07:24.12 | dpkg | pong is probably the best name on IRC eg. /ping pong, or *the* classic video game |
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| 07:24.19 | maddash | !ping |
| 07:24.19 | dpkg | pong |
| 07:24.23 | maddash | !ping |
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| 07:24.25 | liable | maddash: stop it |
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| 07:25.24 | maddash | hello? |
| 07:25.27 | maddash | anyone? |
| 07:25.46 | ErichVon | Hey |
| 07:25.48 | liable | wtf? |
| 07:25.52 | simonrvn | yes you're online |
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| 07:26.24 | maddash | wtf? everytime I /join #ubuntu, I disconnect |
| 07:26.37 | blubberdiblub | lol |
| 07:26.46 | liable | so check your status window for a reason |
| 07:27.12 | Nyle | hi |
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| 07:45.46 | simonrvn | kwe kwe Nyle |
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| 07:53.07 | Penix | free booze is good. especially from your employer. |
| 07:53.38 | harpal | Any one has used IPX with vpn? |
| 07:54.29 | simonrvn | hi Penix |
| 07:55.05 | Penix | wenas |
| 07:55.16 | Vasistha | !anyone use ipx |
| 07:55.17 | dpkg | No, no one uses ipx, not even the people who use it. |
| 07:55.27 | Penix | now, that statement is actually correct |
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| 07:56.54 | Vasistha | Nyle: well, I think I'm getting close here ... just need to make a custom initrd which waits for the flash drive to be registered by udev before attempting to set up the crypto/lvm :) |
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| 08:00.08 | blubberdiblub | Vasistha: if the initrd has the usual udev structure, you could set up a sleep 300 or something like that between the startup of udev and crypt, and have a udev/rules.d/ for your flash that signals the sleep to quit |
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| 08:02.24 | Vasistha | blubberdiblub: well, what I did was to add a line in 'init' that checks for the existence of /dev/sda5 : while ! [ -b /dev/sda5 ]; do sleep 1; done; |
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| 08:03.24 | Vasistha | blubberdiblub: unfortunately I think I messed up somewhere in the creation of the initrd and something is crashing out. So I need to study a bit more and get this initrd creation in order. |
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| 08:03.47 | blubberdiblub | Vasistha: hmm |
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| 08:05.28 | reZo | is qt4.3 out for etch? |
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| 08:06.08 | maddash | reZo: packages.debian.org/qt |
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| 08:06.21 | reZo | okay |
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| 08:07.44 | reZo | doesn't look like it :( |
| 08:08.19 | maddash | reZo: search there |
| 08:08.19 | Guerin_ | reZo: package it up, then |
| 08:08.27 | Guerin_ | reZo: hang on |
| 08:08.36 | Guerin_ | qt4.3 is WAY newer than etch |
| 08:08.37 | Vasistha | frackin stupid-ass new debian package search, always filtering and hiding the results with no way to see them :( |
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| 08:08.47 | reZo | okay |
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| 08:09.45 | agiofws_ | hello |
| 08:09.47 | agiofws_ | i need to author a dvd any s/w suggestions ? |
| 08:09.49 | Vasistha | reZo: fyi, qt4.3 will never be in etch -- it may be in lenny, or perhaps the version after that. |
| 08:10.13 | reZo | is lenny the latest debian testing? |
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| 08:10.30 | hoxu | reZo, yes |
| 08:10.34 | reZo | cool |
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| 08:10.40 | [deXter] | Is there are Carl, too? |
| 08:10.50 | reZo | might as well for lenny then |
| 08:10.52 | Guerin | [deXter]: yes, there are is carl |
| 08:10.56 | [deXter] | O.o |
| 08:10.58 | wAndyw78 | Hi at all, how can I set the verbose debug level from ohci_usb ? |
| 08:11.07 | Vasistha | reZo: you can check out backports, too |
| 08:11.11 | reZo | last.fm's lastest client requires qt4.3 so ya, i've only got 4.2 i think |
| 08:11.16 | reZo | Vasistha: ya |
| 08:11.23 | Guerin | last.fm is tarded |
| 08:11.25 | reZo | you got any links for backports? |
| 08:11.30 | reZo | Guerin: i like it heh |
| 08:11.43 | Guerin | essentially any system which relies on user input without strict moderation is doomed to be crap |
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| 08:12.06 | Guerin | i gave up on it when I hit `artists like this' on Fugazi, and Bob Dylan came up as about #5 |
| 08:12.07 | reZo | heh |
| 08:12.21 | reZo | lawl |
| 08:12.34 | reZo | that's happened to me, you ask for one thing, and it gives something completely different |
| 08:12.40 | reZo | happens from time to time, but ya |
| 08:12.48 | Vasistha | !lol |
| 08:12.48 | dpkg | If you want to laugh, use heh or hah or bwahahaha. lol doesn't sound like laughter at all and makes you look like an AOL user. |
| 08:12.57 | maddash | LOL |
| 08:13.07 | Guerin | lol is what dogs do with their tongues |
| 08:13.16 | Guerin | another thing dogs do with their tongues is lick their arseholes |
| 08:13.18 | maddash | dogs don't laugh, dumbass |
| 08:13.23 | reZo | hah @ !lol |
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| 08:13.32 | maddash | free |
| 08:14.42 | wAndyw78 | bzw: where is "modinfo" gone? |
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| 08:15.29 | harpal | sorry I got disconnected any one give answer? |
| 08:15.32 | Vasistha | wAndyw78: maybe you need to be root |
| 08:15.48 | Guerin | harpal: no. |
| 08:15.59 | harpal | ok |
| 08:16.27 | wAndyw78 | Vasistha: Argh, yes.. but why to be root for modinfo ? confused |
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| 08:17.45 | Vasistha | wAndyw78: you don't actually need to be, but it is located in /sbin |
| 08:18.22 | Vasistha | wAndyw78: I've been known to symlink such things into ~/bin when I wanted them in my path |
| 08:18.54 | wAndyw78 | Vasistha: okay, thank you. Do you have any hint to set the debug level or verbose option for ohci_hcd ? |
| 08:19.08 | Vasistha | not a clue |
| 08:19.14 | Guerin | i don't know if there is one |
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| 08:19.24 | Guerin | if there is, you'd set it as a parameter when loading the module |
| 08:19.29 | Guerin | modinfo might tell you |
| 08:19.54 | wAndyw78 | Guerin: tried already modinfo, but no debug level |
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| 08:20.42 | wAndyw78 | uhci_hcd has a debug level param... |
| 08:21.06 | Vasistha | wAndyw78: you might have to recompile to get debugging on it :P |
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| 08:21.49 | wAndyw78 | Vasistha: nice... :-) |
| 08:21.51 | Guerin | wAndyw78: ain't none, then. |
| 08:22.16 | Vasistha | anyway, time for bed! have fun |
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| 08:22.33 | Guerin | Vasistha: no, YOU have fun. That's what beds are for. |
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| 08:25.47 | Growly | !dpkg iometer |
| 08:25.59 | Growly | oops |
| 08:26.01 | Growly | !iometer |
| 08:26.04 | Growly | oops again |
| 08:26.23 | Kamping_Kaiser | !find iometer |
| 08:26.25 | Kamping_Kaiser | !find iometre |
| 08:26.31 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'iometer' (2): (/usr/share/apps/ktechlab/icons/potentiometer.png) in kde/ktechlab ;; (/usr/share/games/FlightGear/Aircraft/bocian/Dialogs/variometer.xml) in games/fgfs-base. |
| 08:27.07 | Growly | nope |
| 08:27.10 | Growly | sighj |
| 08:27.53 | Guerin | !eyeometer |
| 08:27.53 | dpkg | if you don't know, FUCKING LOOK AT IT. |
| 08:27.57 | Guerin | was that it? |
| 08:28.09 | Growly | nope |
| 08:28.19 | Growly | the util which displays disk usage per process |
| 08:28.56 | Guerin | iostat? |
| 08:28.59 | CoolCold | iostat mb? |
| 08:29.20 | Growly | uh |
| 08:29.21 | Growly | actually |
| 08:29.24 | Growly | that could be it |
| 08:29.26 | Growly | but then what's this? http://www.iometer.org/ |
| 08:29.52 | Growly | man |
| 08:29.55 | Growly | i am so wrong right now |
| 08:30.01 | Growly | thanks guys |
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| 08:35.45 | SpeedyG | hi, whats a good dvd-player program in debian/linux ? |
| 08:36.04 | Guerin | vlc |
| 08:36.11 | SpeedyG | vlc crashes on load :( |
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| 08:40.53 | SpeedyG | hm, other programs give me read-errors :( while on my windows box its nicely playable :( |
| 08:41.06 | Airbottle | you can try Kaffeine |
| 08:42.23 | Guerin | but then you have to install all of kde, and you still only get the functionality of xine |
| 08:42.27 | Guerin | which is what kaffeine is |
| 08:42.50 | Guerin | SpeedyG: vlc should be rock-solid; I use it every day |
| 08:43.02 | keram | i am running lenny but i want to install the etch transcode |
| 08:43.20 | SpeedyG | Guerin: its complaining about protection on the dvd or whatever |
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| 08:43.23 | Airbottle | vlc here is also stable as rock here |
| 08:43.26 | SpeedyG | well, not vlc, but other apps |
| 08:43.33 | SpeedyG | vlc just shuts down the moment I select dvd :( |
| 08:43.47 | Guerin | SpeedyG: maybe they put some anti-piracy thing in. |
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| 08:43.54 | Guerin | that seems unlike them, though |
| 08:44.00 | keram | can i just change the debian-multimedia line in sources.list and then do aptitude update and aptitude install package? |
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| 08:44.05 | Guerin | mplayer is ok, but doesn't do titles |
| 08:44.21 | Guerin | keram: depends |
| 08:44.31 | SpeedyG | Guerin: crappy that it does work on windows then :( |
| 08:44.39 | Guerin | SpeedyG: oh, vlc works on windows? |
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| 08:44.58 | Guerin | perhaps you don't have the right css stuff installed?> |
| 08:45.00 | SpeedyG | Guerin: lemme try, right now windvd took over |
| 08:45.15 | SpeedyG | heh Guerin you're beaten by movie-player |
| 08:45.20 | SpeedyG | that one is now pointing me at that |
| 08:45.28 | Guerin | SpeedyG: i'm about the worst person to ask about this, BTW. I know a lot about video, but fuck-all about DVDs. |
| 08:45.51 | Guerin | once you have the decryption malarkey done, I'm your man - but I don't actually own a dvd drive |
| 08:45.56 | Steven_elvisda | videolan |
| 08:46.18 | Airbottle | did you install the codecs SpeedyG? |
| 08:46.37 | SpeedyG | hm, searching for css I only find css editors, and searching for dvd stuff, I get nothing :( |
| 08:46.44 | SpeedyG | Airbottle: what codecs ? |
| 08:46.55 | Airbottle | i'll have a look |
| 08:47.25 | Guerin | SpeedyG: dvddecss |
| 08:47.30 | Guerin | orsomesuch |
| 08:47.32 | Guerin | !css |
| 08:47.32 | dpkg | CSS DVD security lock see http://livid.on.openprojects.net/ for more information, or cascading style sheets, or http://www.w3.org/Style/CSS/ or http://www.webreference.com/html/tutorials/ |
| 08:47.40 | Guerin | there you go |
| 08:48.16 | Airbottle | apt-get install w32codecs libdvdcss2 |
| 08:48.19 | SpeedyG | Firefox can't find the server at livid.on.openprojects.net. :( |
| 08:48.24 | Guerin | heh |
| 08:48.26 | Guerin | dvddecss |
| 08:48.29 | Guerin | !dvddecss |
| 08:48.33 | Guerin | !decss |
| 08:48.33 | dpkg | somebody said decss was PURE GOOD!!!, or ask me about livid, or now illegal in the US, just like rom sites (laugh), or see http://www.a-es2.uu.nl/~bas/DeCSS/decss.html. Dave Touretzky (CMU CS prof) has a gallery of descramblers at http://www.cs.cmu.edu/~dst/DeCSS/Gallery/index.html Not to be confused with <libdvdcss>. |
| 08:48.36 | Guerin | there we go |
| 08:48.47 | Airbottle | but you need the multimedia sources in sources.list |
| 08:48.48 | keram | does lenny have security updates? |
| 08:48.53 | keram | or should that line be commented out of sources.list |
| 08:49.08 | Guerin | keram: it does. They may or may not be complete |
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| 08:52.45 | metbsd | does debian come with raidtool |
| 08:53.15 | SpeedyG | Guerin, Airbottle thanks :D now it plays |
| 08:53.26 | Airbottle | have fun SpeedyG :) |
| 08:53.32 | SpeedyG | at least now I can go fix my windowsbox with a dualboot deb/win while watching LOTR :D |
| 08:53.35 | Guerin | enabling dvd piracy since 1998 |
| 08:53.41 | Guerin | in fact |
| 08:54.07 | Guerin | today I bought a shirt which has a jolly roger on it, and says `avast ye scurvy dogs - dead men tell no tales' on it |
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| 09:02.15 | Cr3ature | how do you change window manager on the fly? |
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| 09:10.47 | XoX | you know what's good about big corporate companies is that they keep the drivers uptodate with the partner hardware , like redhat and ibm |
| 09:10.54 | XoX | i wish debian had that |
| 09:12.47 | cahoot | that's meant for santa? |
| 09:12.53 | antixogh | does any one know of a channel geared toward web dev or xthml specifically? |
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| 09:20.57 | XoX | heh cahoot |
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| 09:24.15 | Cr3ature | :( |
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| 09:30.29 | HardDisk_WP | how do i apply a ppf binpatch? |
| 09:30.32 | HardDisk_WP | the file shows as iatkos1.0r2.ppf: Playstation Patch File version 3.0, PPF 3.0 patch, Imagetype BIN (any), Blockcheck enabled, Undo data not available, description: |
| 09:31.31 | Cr3ature | 13 items selected (4.4GB) |
| 09:31.42 | Cr3ature | i want more accurately |
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| 09:35.10 | antixogh | right click properties? |
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| 09:35.17 | xk | hmm |
| 09:35.35 | xk | FreeFontPath: FPE "/usr/share/fonts/X11/misc" refcount is 2, should be 1; fixing |
| 09:35.43 | xk | how is that supposed to be fixed? |
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| 09:36.49 | antixogh | Cr3ature: "Anyway, with beryl-manager, that is so easy to do, even if you have no intention of ever using beryl, it's a worthwhile install just because you can change window manager on the fly, you can even run KDE with the fluxbox window manager (doesn't make much sense but you can)." |
| 09:36.58 | antixogh | that is all I found |
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| 09:37.30 | Cr3ature | huh? |
| 09:37.35 | Cr3ature | ohh |
| 09:38.00 | antixogh | http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=379130&page=4 I found it here |
| 09:38.53 | Cr3ature | well no such thing for debian |
| 09:38.58 | basanta | I am trying to run a installer( written in Ruby, using the Gtk2 graphics library) in my etch box and getting this error. any idea how to solve this problem or what this error is ? http://pastebin.ca/830850 |
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| 09:39.02 | antixogh | beryl didn't work for me and I tried it a few nights ago |
| 09:39.41 | xk | why is it so hard to get X working? |
| 09:39.44 | xk | it was 100 times easier 10 years ago |
| 09:39.49 | antixogh | http://www.debianadmin.com/how-to-install-beryl-in-debian-etch.html |
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| 09:41.26 | Gigantic | Hey. Can you reccomend me a P2P? I have been using mldonkey... |
| 09:41.48 | Airbottle | rtorrent Gigantic |
| 09:42.30 | xk | every time I upgrade debian... more and more things just don't work, heh. |
| 09:42.35 | Gigantic | ok.... will check it out |
| 09:42.50 | Airbottle | install it from the sources on the rtorrent website, the repositories have a very old version |
| 09:42.53 | Gigantic | lol |
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| 09:43.43 | Airbottle | and if you prefer a gui Gigantic you can use Ktorrent (in repositories or from their website) |
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| 09:45.08 | Gigantic | Airbottle: But that is quite diff or mldonkey |
| 09:45.14 | Gigantic | it is just torrents |
| 09:45.25 | Airbottle | yes, it is |
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| 09:46.38 | Cr3ature | man thunar sux |
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| 09:52.04 | Demosthenex | so i'm using a preseed file, and want to skip tasksel completely. i've tried a variety of values, but tasksel always prompts or runs anyway. suggestions? =] |
| 09:54.04 | mCorey | hiya! |
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| 09:59.55 | artagnon | which kernel modules do I need to make sure that my onboard bluetooth device can sync with my phone? |
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| 10:01.21 | jirka_prace | is there any simple way how to create bootable cd from usb stick? |
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| 10:02.40 | jirka_prace | i've tried almost everything, but withou success :'-( |
| 10:02.53 | jirka_prace | *t |
| 10:04.43 | anapivirtua_ | Hi world. |
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| 10:14.49 | Danielss89 | hi, i have a folder with pictures.. some ends on jpg, and other bmp.. how can i change all the filenames to xxx.jpg |
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| 10:21.24 | rush1 | I can't mount nfs share. Getting rpcbind: RPC call returned error 1 |
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| 10:22.03 | Danielss89 | hi, i have a folder with pictures.. some ends on jpg, and other bmp.. how can i change all the filenames to xxx.jpg |
| 10:22.16 | mbroeker | Danielss89, find *.jpg -exec convert {} {}.bmp \; |
| 10:22.34 | mbroeker | ups to jpg |
| 10:22.47 | mbroeker | Danielss89, find *.bmp -exec convert {} {}.jpg \; |
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| 10:24.25 | mbroeker | Danielss89, after the conversion, we need to fix the .bmp.jpg to .jpg... |
| 10:26.19 | wintix | how does one change the keyboard layout? i have a freshly installed lenny netinstall and despite the fact i selected german in the installation progress, i'm stuck with some english layout. any help? already tried console-data as dpkg suggested but it didn't really help. |
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| 10:28.15 | shamrock | I am thinking of utilising an old machine as an exim4 mail server. What should I be reading up on to see how to get my other machines to see the Maildirs created on that mail server machine? How do I network in other words so that the remote Maildir appears to be a mount on the client machines accessing their email? |
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| 10:30.12 | Jaif | shamrock: nfs could work |
| 10:30.33 | Jaif | but why not use pop3 or imap to access the mail? |
| 10:32.08 | shamrock | Jaif: you could be right. I have no thoughts one way or the other. Currently I have getmail getting mail from pop3 accounts and processing using procmail and sotring in maildir. I guess I could use IMAP and then access from anywhere? |
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| 10:38.50 | itchi | shamrock: Well, there's different options up to you, basicly NFS with limited stuff. Or setup a imap or pop server |
| 10:39.23 | itchi | shamrock: I use imap (courier) and i'm able to fetch my prono from everywhere :-) |
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| 10:42.15 | kzar | After upgrading stuff this morning all the fonts in gnome-terminal started to overlap and become un-readable. I have just tried installing roxterm and that does the same thing now too. I'm not sure what the problem, any ideas? |
| 10:42.47 | itchi | kzar: Did you logged out and back in? |
| 10:43.11 | kzar | itchi: Yes I tried restarting gdm and then in desperation restarting the whole PC |
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| 10:43.17 | xand | mbroeker: your find syntax is wrong |
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| 10:43.44 | itchi | kzar: Which release do you use? |
| 10:43.50 | kzar | itchi: Lenny |
| 10:44.19 | itchi | kzar: Do this problem happen in another DE? |
| 10:44.32 | itchi | kzar: I did an upgrade a few hours back and no problem here |
| 10:44.36 | kzar | itchi: What does DE meen? |
| 10:44.45 | itchi | kzar: Desktop environment |
| 10:45.05 | kzar | itchi: I only use gnome so I wouldn't know. I tried a couple of different terminal editors though |
| 10:45.12 | itchi | kzar: If possible, try with fluxbox or kde or whatever there may be installed, if any |
| 10:45.28 | itchi | kzar: Do you have the same problem with another user? |
| 10:45.45 | kzar | itchi: Also it's worth noting that the fonts are OK if I go to the actual terminal with ctrl-alt-f1 or whatever |
| 10:45.57 | kzar | itchi: I'm not going to switch to fluxbox.. |
| 10:46.19 | itchi | kzar: Maybe just a user config error. I should say to test with another user |
| 10:46.39 | itchi | kzar: You don't know what you miss with fluxbox :-p |
| 10:46.47 | kzar | itchi: Well the user was working fine, I did an upgrae and now it isn't |
| 10:47.06 | itchi | kzar: Create a temp user, login with that user and look |
| 10:47.09 | kzar | itchi: Yes I do know what I am missing, nothing. An empty screen with no features |
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| 10:47.41 | itchi | kzar: Well, that's Debian fault, these don't come with a nice default fluxbox setup :-( |
| 10:48.48 | itchi | kzar: Fluxbox may look like this http://dvm.zapto.org:8080/~dvanmosselbeen/imgs/screenshots/fluxbox_conky2.jpg |
| 10:49.15 | kzar | itchi: If you plug a digital camera in what happens? Does it automaticly detect it and open a nice easy to use program to cope? How do you copy cd's? Can you right click on the little CD icon and click copy? That's the kind of stuff Gnome does and I am pretty sure Fluxbox doesn't unless it's changed dramaticly since I last used it. |
| 10:49.24 | itchi | Time to create some nice fluxbox screenshots |
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| 10:49.47 | itchi | kzar: Right |
| 10:50.12 | itchi | kzar: But you can still use KDE or Gnome stuff like the konqueror, if you are desesperated :-p |
| 10:50.31 | kzar | itchi: Why not just use a proper desktop enviroment in the first place? |
| 10:50.39 | itchi | kzar: Automounting is more a udev trick. I just open thunar and there we go |
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| 10:51.10 | itchi | kzar: Well, that automounting is not DE specific at all or may be, but it's not |
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| 10:51.51 | itchi | kzar: Fluxbox is just teh window mananger, you are free to use whatever tool you may like |
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| 10:52.24 | kzar | itchi: yea exactly, I prefer somthing that meens I have time left over to do the thing I wanted to do in the first place |
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| 10:52.50 | kzar | itchi: Rather than choosing a filemanager I would rather be playing a game, doing the work I have to do or going to the pub |
| 10:54.29 | kzar | Kamping_Kaiser: Did you find a solution to your font problems? |
| 10:54.35 | itchi | kzar: Well, i'm able to work with fluxbox. Much more faster as with any DE. But sure, i understand the pain for new users. But once fluxbox is up and running (configured) is much more easy and faster to use as any DE. Fluxbox is ways to much configurable and in the begin ... just pain in the ass :-p |
| 10:54.52 | Kamping_Kaiser | kzar, i havent had any - i run etch. i just noticed other people with them |
| 10:55.19 | kzar | itchi: Say if you have a window oepn over the whole desktop and you want to run somthing. How is it fast to minimize everything and then click on the desktop? |
| 10:55.26 | kzar | Kamping_Kaiser: OK, cool |
| 10:55.47 | itchi | kzar: Well, you bind a "shortcut key" so that you may do that with the keyboard |
| 10:56.16 | itchi | kzar: Fluxbox is completely configurable and usable with the keyboard |
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| 10:57.08 | itchi | kzar: Did you even tried ratpoison? That's hardcore :-) |
| 10:57.27 | itchi | Airbottl1: Have patience ;-) But you will be reconpensated ;-) |
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| 10:58.03 | BHSPitMonkey | If a non-Debian system wishes to implement dpkg for package management, should the packages for that system still be distributed with the .deb extension? Or does that extension imply compatibility with Debian OSes? |
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| 10:58.17 | SpeedyG | hm, in lenny, I cannot find the nvidia-kernel-source package, is this correct? |
| 10:58.23 | Airbottl1 | http://wiki.debian.org/Fluxbox i'm reading this, maybe within 10 minutes fluxbox is up and running |
| 10:58.57 | itchi | BHSPitMonkey: .deb is just an easy way of recognizing a "format" of file |
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| 10:59.31 | Eclipser | I seem to remember some funny software to install own compilations to /usr/local which puts the actual binaries in some certain place and symlinks so that it looks like its installed normally? |
| 11:00.06 | mosno | Eclipser: stow? |
| 11:00.13 | Eclipser | that must be it, thanks |
| 11:00.18 | mosno | Eclipser: there's a bunch of 'em |
| 11:00.30 | itchi | Airbottl1: Fluxbox on debian sucks, in the sence that there's no nice theme, config and so. A bit pain to get that up an running for a first timer |
| 11:00.32 | Eclipser | yep, that's the one I read about before |
| 11:00.39 | itchi | Airbottl1: But ask if you get into troubles |
| 11:01.01 | kzar | itchi: You should create a debian package with the themes and configs and things you like maybe |
| 11:01.02 | Airbottl1 | ok thanks :) |
| 11:01.07 | itchi | Airbottl1: Anyway, you have some little gui tools to define the keybindings and such, so hard will it not be |
| 11:01.23 | BHSPitMonkey | itchi, you don't need a theme, config and so ;) |
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| 11:02.02 | itchi | BHSPitMonkey: Well, if you like that "beautifull" default setup, sure, you don't need themes, config :-) |
| 11:02.38 | BHSPitMonkey | heh, if I used fluxbox as a primary setup I'd probably want those things |
| 11:03.04 | BHSPitMonkey | I only whip it out when I need to hone in on an application without gnome surrounding it |
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| 11:03.48 | itchi | If you want, here's my 8.7MB theme pack http://dvm.zapto.org:8080/~dvanmosselbeen/tmp/styles.tar.bz2 |
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| 11:04.20 | itchi | BHSPitMonkey: Well my home's are shared over NFS :-) |
| 11:05.00 | BHSPitMonkey | itchi, that's a neat concept |
| 11:05.06 | BHSPitMonkey | too bad I just have the one computer and all |
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| 11:05.27 | itchi | BHSPitMonkey: If you may have virtual computer, sharing home's is handy too |
| 11:05.37 | itchi | virtual computers* |
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| 11:06.16 | itchi | I use NIS+NFS for the central user, groups rights and NFS for sharing the files |
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| 11:06.26 | BHSPitMonkey | I share a home between various partitions, but not [virtual] systems |
| 11:06.38 | Airbottl1 | wow this is weird |
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| 11:07.29 | itchi | That theme pack contain lot's of themes |
| 11:07.34 | feklee | My tmp partition is of file system "overflow". How do I delete files in the original file system (/dev/sda5)? |
| 11:07.58 | itchi | "styles" should be it. Extract that in your home or in /usr/share/fluxbox/styles/ if you want that wide |
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| 11:08.43 | itchi | feklee: Mount that partition?? and use ncdu to see the big files?? |
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| 11:09.06 | itchi | brb, the baby needs food |
| 11:09.21 | feklee | itchi, Already done (mounting). I at first thought that mounting is not possible, since it's already mounted on /tmp (according to mount), but not visible. |
| 11:09.51 | feklee | Anyway, thanks for pointing me to ncdu. I'll have a look at it. |
| 11:10.06 | feklee | Currently, I'm using "du" to find the largest files and partitions. |
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| 11:10.19 | PerfDave | aindilis: You shouldn't be using nvidia-installer on a Debian system. /msg dpkg nvidia |
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| 11:12.51 | itchi | feklee: Well unmount it and mount it back, if realy needed |
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| 11:13.36 | feklee | itchi, As said, mounting it twice works. Unmounting /tmp/ doesn't work, although the partition isn't really visible - weird. |
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| 11:13.48 | bravvve | hi |
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| 11:14.00 | bravvve | i need some help please |
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| 11:14.09 | PerfDave | bravvve: Then ask a question :) |
| 11:14.28 | itchi | I need some money! :-p |
| 11:14.46 | itchi | Want to buy somethings nice :-) |
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| 11:15.05 | bravvve | i'v jdk-6u3-linux-i586.bin ender debian,how can i install and configurate it? |
| 11:15.18 | itchi | bravvve: Well avoid to do that |
| 11:15.33 | itchi | bravvve: Did you look with your lovely package manager if this is available? |
| 11:15.56 | PerfDave | bravvve: What are you *actually* trying to do? |
| 11:16.07 | PerfDave | bravvve: And what version of Debian are you running? |
| 11:16.17 | bravvve | 40r1 |
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| 11:16.29 | Danielss89 | mbroeker it says find: convert: No such file or directory |
| 11:16.34 | itchi | !find jdk |
| 11:16.34 | Danielss89 | and im in the folder |
| 11:16.36 | dpkg | Debian Package Listing of 'jdk' (2): sun-java5-jdk ;; sun-java6-jdk. |
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| 11:17.09 | itchi | dpkg: What try you to do? |
| 11:17.12 | itchi | bah |
| 11:17.14 | PerfDave | bravvve: OK, what are you actually trying to do? |
| 11:17.16 | itchi | Danielss89: ^ |
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| 11:17.55 | bravvve | i'v run the bin package it decopress it ,am try to run it,javac.... |
| 11:18.02 | PerfDave | bravvve: No wait stop |
| 11:18.10 | bravvve | whay |
| 11:18.15 | Danielss89 | itchi i have some pictues which ends on .bmp... and i want them to end on .jpg |
| 11:18.17 | PerfDave | bravvve: What are you actually trying to achieve here? |
| 11:18.18 | cyberia | hi, anyone here got a good link were i can get further information about debian and speedstep? i'm not quite sure if speedstep on my core2duo works as it gets relatively hot |
| 11:19.13 | bravvve | debian:/opt/jdk1.6.0_03# ls |
| 11:19.32 | bravvve | ~.bashrc db jdk-6u3-linux-i586.bin LICENSE README_ja.html src.zip |
| 11:19.33 | bravvve | bin demo jre man README_zh_CN.html THIRDPARTYLICENSEREADME.txt |
| 11:19.33 | bravvve | COPYRIGHT include lib README.html sample |
| 11:19.40 | PerfDave | bravvve: ARGH STOP |
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| 11:20.17 | PerfDave | bravvve: Please don't paste to #debian, use http://paste.debian.net/ |
| 11:20.19 | bravvve | iv configurate the bashrc |
| 11:20.22 | dimir | Morning! |
| 11:20.25 | itchi | Danielss89: You want somethings like for i in `find . -name "*.bmp"`; do echo $i; done |
| 11:20.28 | PerfDave | bravvve: Stop stop stop stop stop |
| 11:20.45 | itchi | Danielss89: Where the echo $i will be use whatever tool to convert that |
| 11:21.00 | PerfDave | bravvve: WHAT ARE YOU ACTUALLY TRYING TO DO? |
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| 11:21.13 | itchi | PerfDave: Messing up the whole thing?? :-) |
| 11:21.23 | bravvve | programming in java |
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| 11:21.41 | itchi | bravvve: Is there a reason not to use the one that is provided with Debian? |
| 11:21.51 | PerfDave | bravvve: So install the Debian Java packages? |
| 11:22.26 | bravvve | iv not a very speed connection,and iv alrady donload the bin file |
| 11:22.35 | bravvve | jdk and jre |
| 11:22.42 | PerfDave | bravvve: Stop |
| 11:22.44 | mbroeker | Danielss89, convert is in imagemagick |
| 11:22.45 | itchi | !find jre |
| 11:22.46 | dpkg | Debian Package Listing of 'jre' (4): docbook-jrefentry ;; libjrexx-java ;; sun-java5-jre ;; sun-java6-jre. |
| 11:22.51 | PerfDave | bravvve: You're doing it wrong, you don't understand what you're doing, and you're likely to break stuff. |
| 11:22.56 | itchi | bravvve: You saw here above ^ ?? |
| 11:23.04 | itchi | bravvve: What dpkg told |
| 11:23.29 | bravvve | break stuff? |
| 11:23.59 | Maulkin | PerfDave: Still licence issues IIRC. |
| 11:24.00 | itchi | bravvve: Youre toy, if you prefer, youre Operating System |
| 11:24.08 | PerfDave | Maulkin: Yeah, I know |
| 11:24.19 | PerfDave | bravvve: Installing abitrary software you've downloaded off the Internet somewhere, without understanding what you're doing, is probably not a good idea. |
| 11:24.28 | bravvve | how can u explane itchi? |
| 11:24.43 | itchi | bravvve: Well, with trying to tell somethings :-p |
| 11:24.53 | itchi | sorry heh :-p |
| 11:24.55 | bravvve | no iv donload it from the sun |
| 11:25.00 | mosno | lol |
| 11:25.11 | mosno | i get all my packages from Uranus |
| 11:25.13 | Maulkin | bravvve: do you have crontrib and non-free in your souces.list? |
| 11:25.17 | PerfDave | bravvve: From the Sun? No wonder it took a long time to download :) |
| 11:25.34 | Maulkin | *sources.list |
| 11:25.42 | bravvve | half hower |
| 11:25.43 | itchi | Better to fetch it form the earth, at least these are not yet contamined :-) |
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| 11:26.10 | bravvve | look am new be in linux event in java |
| 11:26.13 | mosno | on Pluto, the packages are fetched from *you* |
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| 11:26.35 | PerfDave | bravvve: If you want to program java: aptitude install free-java-sdk |
| 11:26.38 | Maulkin | bravvve: what is the output of "grep -c non-free /etc/apt/sources.list" ? |
| 11:27.25 | bravvve | o |
| 11:27.30 | bravvve | its 0 |
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| 11:27.43 | Maulkin | bravvve: ok. Edit /etc/apt/sources.list (as root) |
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| 11:27.44 | Danielss89 | ok mbroeker and when they're converted, how do i change the .bmp.jpg to just .jpg |
| 11:27.57 | Maulkin | Add " contrib non-free" to the end of the lines |
| 11:28.36 | itchi | Danielss89: There's the shell globing stuff |
| 11:28.52 | bravvve | bash: /etc/apt/sources.list: Permission non accordée |
| 11:28.57 | itchi | Danielss89: Here's an expample for i in `find . -name "*.c"`; do name=$i; gcc -o ${name%.c} $i; done |
| 11:29.10 | PerfDave | bravvve: If you want to program java: aptitude install free-java-sdk |
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| 11:29.46 | itchi | Danielss89: Do you use Bash? |
| 11:29.57 | bravvve | and,for the bin file ,we can't install it? |
| 11:30.17 | Maulkin | bravvve: As root |
| 11:30.23 | itchi | Danielss89: For bash, this is *the* reference http://wooledge.org:8000/BashFAQ?action=show&redirect=BashFaq |
| 11:30.26 | PerfDave | bravvve: You don't want to. |
| 11:30.38 | mbroeker | Danielss89, for i in *.jpg; do convert "$i" "$(echo "$i" | tr jpg bmp)"; done; |
| 11:30.47 | bravvve | PerfDave can u tell me why? |
| 11:30.53 | mosno | wooledge ftw |
| 11:30.55 | PerfDave | mbroeker: Oh, bad use of tr there. |
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| 11:31.31 | itchi | Maulkin: Well, give me some milk :-p I'm missing this for the coffee :-( |
| 11:31.51 | Maulkin | itchi: meh. It comes from the magic machine |
| 11:32.07 | mbroeker | PerfDave, it works. |
| 11:32.07 | PerfDave | mbroeker: Right up until the filename contanes a j, p or g? |
| 11:32.09 | PerfDave | for file in *.jpg; do out=${file/%jpg/bmp}; convert "$file" "$out"; done |
| 11:33.16 | PerfDave | bravvve: Because you don't understnad what you're doing, or how Debian works. Debian gives you Java, through its packaging system, which is a neat and powerful way to manage software. You don't ignore the packaging system without a good reason, and you don't have one. |
| 11:33.16 | bravvve | the javac is not working |
| 11:33.47 | PerfDave | bravvve: Did you install the free-java-sdk package yet? |
| 11:34.09 | bravvve | yes i had |
| 11:35.25 | PerfDave | bravvve: OK, you might want to use "gcj" instead of "javac" |
| 11:35.41 | bravvve | PerfDave i do not ignore the package offerd by debian,i had pactice the 1st tutoriel that iv fined |
| 11:36.26 | bravvve | bash: gcj: command not found whith gcj to |
| 11:36.30 | PerfDave | bravvve: And where is this tutorial? |
| 11:36.50 | PerfDave | bravvve: OK, "aptitude instal gcj gij", I thought that free-java-sdk pulled them in but it doesn't. |
| 11:36.57 | bravvve | i do not remember it was i week ago |
| 11:39.44 | bravvve | not working |
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| 11:40.03 | bravvve | gij works |
| 11:40.36 | PerfDave | bravvve: OK, I've just installed free-java-sdk gij and gcj, and compiled and run "Hello World" from http://java.sun.com/docs/books/tutorial/getStarted/cupojava/unix.html#unix-2 |
| 11:40.42 | PerfDave | bravvve: And I've never written any Java before :) |
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| 11:41.09 | bravvve | ok,and C? |
| 11:41.34 | PerfDave | bravvve: What about C? You were asking about Java? |
| 11:42.30 | bravvve | no juste a question,what programming language u use |
| 11:42.59 | PerfDave | bravvve: I program mostly in Perl, but have knowledge of various other languages. |
| 11:43.08 | bravvve | ok |
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| 11:43.52 | PerfDave | dpower: Nobody cares what you're listening to. If that's automated, please get rid of it. |
| 11:44.00 | bravvve | i must search for another tutorial for java,becose i speek french beter then english |
| 11:44.28 | kzar | bravvve: If you want to program I would learn these languages in this order: English, C, Lisp |
| 11:44.40 | dpower | not automated.... i thought you could all use some ace of base... merry christmas!!! |
| 11:44.51 | jelly-home | dpower: eww. :-) |
| 11:45.23 | bravvve | is lips LL(1)? |
| 11:45.30 | bravvve | :) |
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| 11:48.24 | bravvve | thaks perfdave,itchi,kzar |
| 11:48.32 | PerfDave | bravvve: No worries. |
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| 11:49.00 | PerfDave | bravvve: BTW, installing those packages (free-java-sdk gcj gij) gives me a javac binary which works. |
| 11:49.34 | bravvve | eclipse,what is it? |
| 11:49.56 | PerfDave | bravvve: Eclipse is a Java program which acts as a text editor for |
| 11:50.00 | PerfDave | bravvve: Eclipse is a Java program which acts as a text editor for Java programming |
| 11:50.10 | itchi | kzar: Why lisp? |
| 11:50.23 | mbroeker | bravvve, its a full-featured ide for programming. including support for java(native), c/c++ ruby, etc via plugins |
| 11:50.46 | itchi | kzar: I may say, Python then C. Question of difficulty's of the language. Learn step by step |
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| 11:51.41 | itchi | bravvve: Si tu veut, je comprend tres bien le francais :-p |
| 11:51.43 | Hypergraphe | Bonjour |
| 11:51.56 | bravvve | welle assembly is easyer then c++ for me |
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| 11:52.16 | itchi | bravvve: Learn english, and keep your french, both are that popular and interesting |
| 11:52.40 | bravvve | cool alors |
| 11:53.00 | cast | chicks like french. |
| 11:53.20 | itchi | cast: Well, that's good for me then :-p |
| 11:53.41 | kzar | Shame they don't like Fluxbox, Linux and programming heh |
| 11:53.54 | Hypergraphe | :) |
| 11:53.58 | kzar | (as a rule) |
| 11:54.03 | itchi | kzar: did you get Fluxbox up and running? |
| 11:54.10 | kzar | itchi: No but I didn't try to |
| 11:54.16 | kzar | itchi: I don't want it |
| 11:54.32 | itchi | kzar: bah, you don't know what's good :-) |
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| 11:55.26 | kzar | itchi: Getting these shitty emails done for work so I can go out is my plan, don't really want to start messing with stuff like Fluxbox |
| 11:56.35 | Fiskah | Anyone inhere got experience with Confixx? |
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| 11:57.59 | User353 | I have some epic ex girlfriend pics |
| 11:57.59 | Danielss89 | PerfDave: what does this mean: convert: Quantization table 0x01 was not defined `422529.jpg'. |
| 11:58.02 | User353 | http://tinyurl.com/23cjqv |
| 11:58.06 | User353 | Enjoy, |
| 11:58.08 | PerfDave | Danielss89: No idea I'm afraid. |
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| 11:58.47 | telexicon | that was pointless |
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| 12:06.45 | Kamping_Kaiser | lol |
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| 12:11.58 | itchi | Bah, that spammer is still living |
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| 12:12.58 | fanti | hi there! i'm looking for kde4 rc2 debian packages? |
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| 12:13.13 | PerfDave | fanti: Which version of Debian are you running? |
| 12:13.31 | fanti | PerfDave: unstable |
| 12:13.42 | PerfDave | fanti: Are they not in unstable? |
| 12:14.03 | fanti | PerfDave: no.. there aren't any kde4 packages in unstable |
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| 12:14.15 | PerfDave | fanti: Ah well, google is probably your friend. |
| 12:14.32 | PerfDave | fanti: Or http://pkg-kde.alioth.debian.org/ or #debian-kde |
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| 12:15.01 | riverrun | can someone link me to a document listing what packages are on each of the 28 cd iso's? |
| 12:15.43 | liable | !cd contents |
| 12:15.44 | dpkg | To find out what is on what cd, use the searchable index at http://www.debian.org/CD/jigdo-cd/#search or download the .jigdo template from the same location and zless fooimage.jigdo. In the [Parts] section you will see the list of packages that are contained in the cd. Also ask me about <cd contents sarge>. |
| 12:15.45 | itchi | Danielss89: This may be interesting for you http://wooledge.org:8000/BashFAQ?action=show&redirect=BashFaq#head-8eb34ce24939d953913a2c39fcd140cc6cc6de66 |
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| 12:16.36 | riverrun | thanks liable |
| 12:16.47 | liable | np |
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| 12:24.05 | itchi | !find money |
| 12:24.07 | dpkg | Debian Package Listing of 'money' (2): kmymoney2 ;; myphpmoney. |
| 12:24.14 | itchi | bah, not like expected :-( |
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| 12:25.16 | itchi | I want to buy a camcorder for my wife. Are there brands better supported with linux? As far as i know it's just USB2 or firewire. So that should be not a problem? |
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| 12:25.59 | liable | check the v4l site i guess |
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| 12:27.01 | itchi | liable: Thanks, gona check it out, i'm to noob with cams on PC :-) |
| 12:27.34 | PerfDave | itchi: http://dv4l.berlios.de/ |
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| 12:28.30 | itchi | Normally it's my wife that goes play with it, in the worth case, she will do that on his diabolic box :-p |
| 12:28.57 | itchi | But it will be bad if i'm unable to play with it on the "other" boxes |
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| 12:33.48 | bravvve | av problem av posted it |
| 12:35.14 | bravvve | any one can help |
| 12:35.33 | PerfDave | bravvve: Where have you posted it? |
| 12:35.49 | bravvve | http://paste.debian.net/45496 |
| 12:36.30 | PerfDave | bravvve: Uh, don't you want "javac HelloWorldApp.java"? |
| 12:37.02 | bravvve | its work baut not javac HelloWorldApp.java |
| 12:37.02 | PerfDave | bravvve: You need to compile the .java into a .class with javac, then run the .class |
| 12:37.18 | bravvve | <PROTECTED> |
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| 12:37.59 | PerfDave | bravvve: Why would you expect "java HelloWorldApp.java" to work? You're telling Java to execute a text file, not compiled Java. |
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| 12:39.30 | bravvve | ok |
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| 12:40.26 | SANALman | (: |
| 12:40.36 | SANALman | sEsss Deneme :D |
| 12:40.46 | bravvve | http://paste.debian.net/45497 :-D |
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| 12:40.52 | VImtermute | oy |
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| 12:41.03 | mbroeker | brave: java Test executes the binary compiled Test.class. To compile Test.class call javac -d . Test.java |
| 12:41.31 | BaY_GeVeZe | Nick'im KaydediLmiþtir :D:D |
| 12:41.32 | VImtermute | 2.6 kernel complains about missing mouse, modules aren't loaded automatically |
| 12:41.35 | VImtermute | omg :) |
| 12:41.41 | BaY_GeVeZe | My Nick is Registere :D |
| 12:42.16 | BaY_GeVeZe | Laaaa Burda TÜRK Yok mu :)) |
| 12:42.23 | BaY_GeVeZe | Haaay Ben :D:D |
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| 12:43.07 | Usiu | Hi |
| 12:43.12 | Usiu | how to merg bugs ? |
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| 12:43.25 | Usiu | for example someone have opended two bugs but they're related |
| 12:43.27 | BaY_GeVeZe | :D |
| 12:43.57 | mbroeker | Usiu, ask one of the maintainers. |
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| 12:45.27 | VImtermute | 2.6 kernel complains about missing mouse, modules aren't loaded automatically, what to do? |
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| 12:46.12 | VImtermute | could it be because of (lack of) udev? |
| 12:46.15 | PerfDave | VImtermute: Which version of Debian are you running, and what kernel are you using, and what mouse do you have? |
| 12:47.47 | VImtermute | PerfDave, 3.1 sarge (upgraded to etch), 2.6.8-2-686, PS/2 (/dev/psaux) |
| 12:48.12 | PerfDave | VImtermute: Hmm, have you tried upgrading your kernel to the Etch kernel? 2.6.8 is the Sarge kernel. |
| 12:49.07 | VImtermute | hmm |
| 12:49.10 | VImtermute | don't think so |
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| 12:50.16 | VImtermute | PerfDave, which package is it? |
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| 12:50.31 | PerfDave | VImtermute: linux-image-2.6-686 will just install the latest and greatest. |
| 12:51.00 | PerfDave | VImtermute: You did read http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/release-notes/ch-upgrading.en.html right? |
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| 12:51.29 | VImtermute | PerfDave, not really :> |
| 12:51.49 | PerfDave | VImtermute: So you didn't read the bit about the interaction between Sarge's kernel and Etch's udev then? :) |
| 12:52.05 | VImtermute | PerfDave, damn straight i did not :>>> |
| 12:52.30 | PerfDave | VImtermute: You may find that reading the release notes before upgrading is a wise thing to do :) |
| 12:53.04 | VImtermute | PerfDave, i installed sarge from the cd's, found that everything was obsolete and borked |
| 12:53.16 | VImtermute | so i just upgraded, and forgot about it :) |
| 12:53.27 | PerfDave | VImtermute: Borked how? My Sarge machines are still running fine :) |
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| 12:53.45 | VImtermute | PerfDave, dependency borkages, mainly |
| 12:54.05 | PerfDave | VImtermute: Odd, that shouldn't happen with a Sarge install from CD. |
| 12:54.23 | PerfDave | VImtermute: Unless it was trying to access security.debian.org/dist/stable which now points at Etch packages.... |
| 12:54.38 | VImtermute | that's probably it :) |
| 12:54.52 | VImtermute | oh man |
| 12:55.03 | VImtermute | i think i'll just netinstall etch :) |
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| 12:55.20 | PerfDave | VImtermute: Installing linux-image-2.6-686 should just fix your problem. |
| 12:55.50 | VImtermute | :) |
| 12:56.01 | VImtermute | i normally eschew ad-hockery like this |
| 12:56.09 | VImtermute | but i make exceptions as well :> |
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| 12:56.21 | VImtermute | PerfDave, ok, brb in a minute or an hour |
| 12:56.24 | PerfDave | It's not ad-hoc, it's a documented procedure for upgrading Sarge to Etch :) |
| 12:56.25 | VImtermute | :) |
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| 12:56.35 | VImtermute | oic |
| 12:56.35 | maddash | MERRY CHRISTMAS, DEBIAN! |
| 12:56.39 | VImtermute | no worries then |
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| 12:58.58 | Blue_Mousey | Wouldn't it be rather: Merry christmas, community? |
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| 13:03.58 | rubymonk | ...or Merry Christmas #debian ? |
| 13:04.00 | rubymonk | :) |
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| 13:09.39 | rabby | hi |
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| 13:10.27 | VImtermute | PerfDave, works now :) |
| 13:11.22 | rabby | since 3 days i am going to build galeon from source (because i want to play with its source)... |
| 13:11.36 | Blue_Mousey | rubymonk: Rather, Merry christmas everyone! |
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| 13:11.42 | rabby | but after i got all packages now, it continues failing :( |
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| 13:12.06 | rabby | "make" worries about nsI*: http://nopaste.info/9a512c700d.html |
| 13:12.17 | rabby | now i hope, You can help me... please... |
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| 13:12.30 | cousin_luigi | hello |
| 13:12.54 | Blue_Mousey | rabby, just wondering: Are you using the correct compiler for it? |
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| 13:13.50 | cousin_luigi | I'm using an etch derivative, and I'm trying to figure out how to activate UTF support |
| 13:14.48 | cousin_luigi | I admit I have no idea how to proceed, so any hint will be mostly welcome, thanks:) |
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| 13:15.40 | maddash | cousin_luigi: dpkg-reconfigure locales |
| 13:16.03 | rabby | Blue_Mousey: how to find out? |
| 13:16.07 | xand | cousin_luigi: what do you mean "derivative"? |
| 13:16.14 | rabby | it uses g++, i guess |
| 13:16.24 | cousin_luigi | xand: kernel has been somehow customised |
| 13:16.46 | cousin_luigi | using standard repository though |
| 13:17.06 | xand | I expect what maddash said |
| 13:18.04 | Blue_Mousey | rabby, look at the installation manual of that script/application |
| 13:18.40 | cousin_luigi | Package `locales' is not installed and no info is available. |
| 13:18.45 | cousin_luigi | installing it now |
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| 13:19.41 | cousin_luigi | perl: warning: Setting locale failed. |
| 13:19.41 | cousin_luigi | perl: warning: Please check that your locale settings: |
| 13:19.41 | cousin_luigi | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:19.41 | cousin_luigi | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:19.41 | cousin_luigi | <PROTECTED> |
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| 13:19.43 | cyberia | hi, does anyone know whether there is a driver for intel gmx x3100 in the repositories or not? can't find one :( |
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| 13:19.57 | cousin_luigi | oh sorry guys |
| 13:20.43 | wols | vyrus001: "intel" |
| 13:20.51 | wols | is installed together with xorg |
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| 13:21.56 | Blue_Mousey | rabby; To compile correctly with new versions of g++, you should apply this |
| 13:21.56 | Blue_Mousey | -patch too: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/attachment.cgi?id=176366. |
| 13:22.55 | Airbottle | is it possible to install gnome 2.20 on a debian etch? |
| 13:23.23 | Blue_Mousey | Yes? |
| 13:23.42 | Blue_Mousey | Airbottle: http://www.0d.be/debian/debian-gnome-2.20-status.html |
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| 13:24.44 | rabby | Blue_Mousey: where to add -patch? |
| 13:24.56 | wols | Airbottle: of course it'S possible, if you really insist |
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| 13:26.23 | rabby | Blue_Mousey: You posted the attachment, not the description url for the bug |
| 13:26.45 | Blue_Mousey | Yeah i notice |
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| 13:27.50 | vampirefrog | hey how come all the fonts are slightly smaller? |
| 13:27.56 | vampirefrog | in gnome |
| 13:28.03 | Blue_Mousey | rabby could you be a bit more specific? What kind of version are you using? What application requires this script? |
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| 13:29.14 | rabby | Blue_Mousey: i use the newest version of galeon's source and installed the packages of today which are depended by galeon. g++ is up to date, too. |
| 13:29.33 | rabby | configure does not worry anything, but make fails, as written above... |
| 13:29.38 | Penix | vampirefrog: smaller than what? |
| 13:29.54 | vampirefrog | than before my last boot. i also did a dist-upgrade then |
| 13:30.36 | Penix | gee, I wonder if that has anything to do with it |
| 13:30.42 | enouf | nah |
| 13:30.51 | vampirefrog | ? |
| 13:30.56 | vampirefrog | stop confusing me |
| 13:31.13 | enouf | gconf? fonts? |
| 13:31.24 | Penix | !lose vampirefrog |
| 13:31.25 | dpkg | vampirefrog: You Lose. |
| 13:31.29 | vampirefrog | enouf: they're fine, but I was wondering why they where changed |
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| 13:32.07 | enouf | don't ask me, i don't use gnome - maybe someone's out to get you :-) |
| 13:32.17 | vampirefrog | not again! aghhhh |
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| 13:34.01 | rabby | Blue_Mousey: what else may be interesting? |
| 13:34.03 | vampirefrog | i've never stuck my finger so high up my nose |
| 13:34.23 | vampirefrog | i'm a finger thinker |
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| 13:35.11 | Blue_Mousey | rabby, There's 3 things you could do: 1 google, 2 goto GIMPnet and join their channel or 3 wait for someone that knows this :) |
| 13:35.40 | peter86 | Merry Christmas to all You people :) Thanks for patience and hope I wasnt very annoing this year... |
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| 13:37.15 | krabador | when i can found some instructions to build a pendrive with debian + fluxbox in persistent mode? |
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| 13:37.21 | enouf | peter86: ;-) |
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| 13:38.10 | DA_Laptop | Hello |
| 13:40.13 | DA_Laptop | I just SSH-ed into one of my other machines, and it told me I had mail, I checked it, and it was from the rkhunter cron job - rkhunter (a rootkit scanning program) had flagged several changes, but no specific rootkit or trojan... can anyone help me analyze what that means, and tell me whether it's just an anomaly or a genuine problem? |
| 13:40.20 | DA_Laptop | http://pastebin.ca/831005 <---rkhunter log |
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| 13:43.26 | PaulTT_ | hi there, I'm attempting to install mysql via aptitude and i'm getting the following message: Media Change: Please insert the disc labeled 'Debian GNU/Linux 4.0 r1 _Etch_ - Official i386 NETINST Binary-1 20070820-20:21' in the drive '/cdrom/' and press enter |
| 13:43.44 | krabador | when i can found some instructions to build a pendrive with debian + fluxbox in persistent mode? |
| 13:43.59 | Kamping_Kaiser | PaulTT_, either put in the cdrom, or remove it from your sources.list |
| 13:44.07 | PaulTT_ | ah thank you |
| 13:44.15 | PaulTT_ | I can't put it in the cdrom.. it's a few thousand miles away ;) |
| 13:44.19 | Kamping_Kaiser | np |
| 13:44.22 | Kamping_Kaiser | hehehe |
| 13:44.28 | Vorbote | krabador: in goggle most likely. |
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| 13:45.16 | yigal | PaulTT_: remove the cdrom from your sources list and run aptitude update |
| 13:45.28 | PaulTT_ | yigal: thanks, I did that :) |
| 13:46.59 | harpal | I have installed pptp server. it can listen on all interfaces or listen on single interface. so what would be good to do? |
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| 13:49.13 | enouf | krabador: what do you mean persistent mode? try pendrivelinux.com, or follow the Debian installer guide for USB boot |
| 13:49.19 | enouf | er usb stick stuff |
| 13:49.21 | CoolCubix | Does someone know about a simple API which could, in C code, control the mouse (ie change pointer position or simulate a click) ? I'm still googling about it but if someone has an idea... |
| 13:49.38 | krabador | enouf: with changes |
| 13:49.41 | humbolto | Concerning Xen: |
| 13:49.51 | enouf | krabador: i've bookmarked an about encrypting root and stuff |
| 13:49.51 | humbolto | I have one NIC eth0 on my xen server. I want this one to be eth0 in dom0 and not bridged to any other domU. Then I want a virtual eth2 in dom0 and virtual eth0s in each domU connect to the same bridge. Traffic then will be routed through dom0. How can I achieve this? |
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| 13:50.04 | enouf | krabador: what changes? |
| 13:50.24 | krabador | enouf: the savatage of settings |
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| 13:50.48 | enouf | oh, you want a livecd style thing - with a /home that holds config params |
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| 13:51.26 | xand | !nspluginwrapper |
| 13:51.26 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, nspluginwrapper is a wrapper allowing you to use 32-bit browser plugins in a native x86_64 browser. It is known to work with Flash and a few others. It is in <contrib> on testing/unstable, while unofficial *stable/Etch* packages are available at http://www.dipconsultants.com/debian/ |
| 13:51.47 | enouf | (or a file) .. i wonder what's up with the debian livecd project lately - go play with grml.org maybe - though no X in that iirc |
| 13:51.57 | krabador | enouf:to have all changes if i upgrade, install something (in pendrive space limits....) |
| 13:51.59 | enouf | savatage? ok :-p |
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| 13:52.49 | rabby | Blue_Mousey: gimpnet appears to sleep atm |
| 13:52.49 | enouf | i told you what i know (and i still don't understand you) O.o |
| 13:52.52 | lordrayden | hi, i'm trying to install java on my lenny desktop with make jpkg .... and I get this "make: *** No rule to make target `jpkg'. Stop." |
| 13:53.03 | lordrayden | any ideas what's wrong? |
| 13:53.50 | Vorbote | lordrayden: that would be a PEBCAK |
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| 13:54.02 | whj | lordrayden: any reason why you want build yourself? |
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| 13:54.44 | SpeedyG | hi, i've got a problem using my SPDIF jack on the mobo. I can get output on it, but only one application can use the jack at the same time, is there a way I can share it amongst applications ? |
| 13:55.00 | Vorbote | lordrayden: if memory serves me right, there are already built packages at debian-multimedia.org. |
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| 13:55.39 | lordrayden | i have forgotten how to set it default java in my system |
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| 13:56.03 | lordrayden | i read it somewhere on the internet but i can't find it anymore :( |
| 13:56.13 | densin | debian lenny missing apache2-ssl-certificate ? |
| 13:56.22 | DA_Laptop | Anyone? :) |
| 13:56.38 | lordrayden | smth like java --alternative or so |
| 13:56.52 | lordrayden | anyone knows the command line? |
| 13:57.08 | Vorbote | man update-alternatives(1) |
| 13:57.22 | lordrayden | oki, let's see :) |
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| 13:59.55 | Archie1 | Something is wrong, neither does apache's localhost/~me or mpd dir in my home dir work, both claim to not have permission, it worked before without any modifications..., whats the problem? |
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| 14:01.59 | lordrayden | vorbote: what do U know, it worked :D "update-java-alternatives --set java-6-sun" and it's ok now, tnx |
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| 14:02.42 | Vorbote | Archie1: Unix permissions on the directories and access permissions/directory definitions in the web server config file (and mpd is a web server, of sorts...). |
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| 14:03.55 | Archie1 | Vorbote: i chmoded access for everyone a+rwx still wont work |
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| 14:05.11 | Vorbote | Archie1: if the web server has no grafting point to the local filesystem it won't be able to see it, much less read it. Check its configuration file. |
| 14:06.00 | SpeedyG | hi, i've got a problem using my SPDIF jack on the mobo. I can get output on it, but only one application can use the jack at the same time, is there a way I can share it amongst applications ? |
| 14:06.22 | Archie1 | Vorbote: mpd doesnt work either so i dont think thats the problem |
| 14:06.34 | PerfDave | SpeedyG: What version of Debian are you running? |
| 14:06.41 | SpeedyG | PerfDave: lenny |
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| 14:07.02 | Vorbote | SpeedyG: You need a software mixer probably. What set up do you use? GNOME? KDE? Homgrown fluxbox hack? |
| 14:07.11 | SpeedyG | xfce |
| 14:07.21 | PerfDave | SpeedyG: Hmm, that should have ALSA software mixing out of the box. Might be that your soundcard doesn't support it.. check the ALSA webpage? |
| 14:07.28 | Vorbote | Archie1: Check mpd, it has its own configuration and defaults to someplace in /var. |
| 14:07.35 | SpeedyG | i've been looking up some dmix stuff, but the forums.debian.net seems down to me |
| 14:07.44 | SpeedyG | and I dont understand even the least bit about dmix |
| 14:07.48 | Archie1 | Vorbote: its /etc/mpd.conf |
| 14:08.03 | Archie1 | music_dir is pointed to a dir in my home dir |
| 14:08.07 | Vorbote | Archie1: Read it. |
| 14:08.36 | PerfDave | SpeedyG: dmix is the software mixer built into ALSA. It should Just Work on etch upwards, I don't know why yours doesn't. |
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| 14:09.05 | SpeedyG | PerfDave: well, maybe it has something to do with the SPDIF not working ootb either |
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| 14:09.54 | SpeedyG | I had to follow this guide-thingy to get it working: http://alsa.opensrc.org/index.php/Intel8x0 |
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| 14:10.29 | Archie1 | Vorbote: something's really messed up, when i do ls -l all the dirs/files are owned by me with rwx permissions but when i try to access it forbids me??? |
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| 14:11.17 | PerfDave | SpeedyG: So you *did* check the ALSA website :) |
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| 14:11.32 | arturaz | hello. what's the name of package that checks all installed debs for changes using md5 hashes? |
| 14:11.38 | SpeedyG | PerfDave: hehe yes :) appaerently I did ;) |
| 14:11.44 | PerfDave | SpeedyG: You might be best off asking #alsa or something. |
| 14:11.48 | asg | arturaz: debsums |
| 14:11.48 | SpeedyG | but i'm not really getting anywhere |
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| 14:12.25 | arturaz | i have strange behavior. whenever i log in into root ssh session it's dropped in max 30 secs. i think i might be compromised... |
| 14:12.42 | yang | Is it a normal procedure that if I burn a 2MB big DVD .iso that fixating time takes 200 sec. ? |
| 14:12.44 | arturaz | the user sessions run ok |
| 14:13.38 | PerfDave | arturaz: Anything in /var/log/auth.log ? |
| 14:13.42 | asg | arturaz: /msg dpkg debug ssh |
| 14:14.05 | asg | arturaz: sorry, /msg dpkg debug sshd |
| 14:14.46 | Nyle | Good Freaking Morning people |
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| 14:14.51 | arturaz | great, i can't even log in into it remotely anymore :| |
| 14:14.51 | Nyle | :) |
| 14:15.05 | arturaz | it starts a shell and then dies |
| 14:16.11 | arturaz | http://www.paste.lt/paste/37619c4a8c8ecc69e3f8811b4cdef0d0 |
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| 14:17.21 | arturaz | ok, thanks for the info, i'm moving in to the physical server.. |
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| 14:17.44 | SpeedyG | PerfDave: hm, answer there is "SPDIF Can't be mixed" :( |
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| 14:19.47 | lordosis | To Yang Yes, the fixation of a DVD writing the TOC etc takes equally long for a small as a big dVD |
| 14:20.56 | Archie1 | Vorbote: my home dir wasn't world readable, is it safe to change it? |
| 14:21.17 | Ronin | Archie1: if you want world to be able to read it |
| 14:22.29 | jetscreamer | Archie1: there is a gdm setting iirc that will keep you from being able to login if your homedir doesn't have the proper permissions |
| 14:22.36 | gonzaloaf | hi, can I just set the locales of my filesystem in spanish utf-8 and all my system in english? |
| 14:23.08 | Archie1 | Ronin: i dont want that, but is that the only thing i can do to allow others from viewing localhost/~me or accessing my mpd dir? |
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| 14:23.16 | Ronin | jetscreamer: possibly but i have gdm and world isnt readable but then who knows |
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| 14:23.56 | Archie1 | jetscreamer: isnt that on by default? |
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| 14:24.30 | jdahm | Im having trouble getting network to work with debian in a vmware fusion vm, can anyone point me to the driver I need? (macbook pro) |
| 14:24.37 | limpio | gonzaloaf: have you tried # dpkg-reconfigure locales? choose all the en_US and es_ES and then choose in the next screen esES.UTF-8 for you environment language |
| 14:24.59 | mbroeker | jetscreamer, gdm starts a session as the user who logs in: so if the user can read his own files in his own directory, the session will be able to read it, too. |
| 14:25.14 | jetscreamer | Archie1: i 'think' yes it doesn't like world readable... or come to think of it it might be 'owned by' |
| 14:25.19 | jetscreamer | let me find the blurb |
| 14:25.33 | limpio | gonzaloaf: excuse me for your environment lang use en_US.UTF-8 my mistake |
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| 14:28.06 | gonzaloaf | limpio, ok |
| 14:29.44 | gonzaloaf | Maybe I can specify something in the fstab file to do what I want |
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| 14:32.02 | jimbalaya | does anyone have suggestions as to which WM to use if configuring a debian install for a new-to-linux user? |
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| 14:32.19 | jimbalaya | gOS seems to have done a nice job w/ their enlightenment desktop, but i don't think that version is available to debian at the moment... |
| 14:32.38 | lhadji | jimbalaya, new to linux from windows? |
| 14:32.46 | jimbalaya | lhadji: yes |
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| 14:33.08 | jimbalaya | lhadji: however, they might not have really 'gotten' windows to begin with, so.... |
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| 14:33.41 | lhadji | jimbalaya, are you against kde or gnome? |
| 14:33.51 | Nyle | http://kde-look.org/content/show.php/.deb_dragon?content=72305 <--- Freakin Sweet! |
| 14:34.14 | jimbalaya | lhadji: not particularly, aside from (somewhat) limited resources (p4 ~2ghz, 512 pc100 ram, 60g hd) |
| 14:34.49 | jimbalaya | i'm probably over-thinking the resources issue |
| 14:34.52 | lhadji | they would be your best bet for a windows converter. |
| 14:35.02 | lhadji | Nyle, that is sweet |
| 14:35.02 | Nyle | jimbalaya: what? limited? no way |
| 14:35.11 | Nyle | jimbalaya: that is a sweet machine |
| 14:36.10 | Nyle | then again I still actively work on my powerbook 3400c, 200mhz system 9 but now with doobian |
| 14:36.25 | lhadji | haha doobian |
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| 14:36.33 | Nyle | so I dunno, I like pretty much all hardware, even my 25mhz laptop with 4mb ram and 80mb hdd |
| 14:36.57 | Nyle | compared to that, your p4//512 is great, be thankful you got a decent machine to work with, bah, limited |
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| 14:37.19 | jimbalaya | hehe |
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| 14:38.20 | Nyle | im bored |
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| 14:38.25 | lhadji | jimbalaya, i guess to make the experience somewhat more pleasant for a windows user - google some screenshots of kde and gnome with some themes |
| 14:38.32 | spanther | !nvidia |
| 14:38.32 | dpkg | To use an NVIDIA graphics card with Debian, see http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers. If you've done it before, ask me about <nvidia one-liner> for a reminder. |
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| 14:38.48 | spanther | !nvidia one-liner |
| 14:38.48 | dpkg | from memory, nvidia one-liner is apt-get install nvidia-kernel-2.6-`uname -r | sed 's,.*-,,g'` nvidia-settings nvidia-glx && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg (if you're on amd64, also install nvidia-glx-ia32. Using sarge? Ask me about <nvidia_sarge>. Homegrown or kernel from testing/sid: <nvidia_post_etch>. If you're using a Geforce2 or older: <nvidia_legacy>. |
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| 14:38.48 | limpio | jimbalaya: i got a similar machine, i use icewm |
| 14:38.49 | Nyle | hey i can tell you right now KDE > Gnome imo of course |
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| 14:39.02 | Nyle | limpio: xfce too much? |
| 14:39.09 | Nyle | or do you like icewm |
| 14:39.12 | limpio | Nyle: nope |
| 14:39.21 | enouf | jimbalaya: i doubt the p4 uses pc100 RAM O.o |
| 14:39.28 | Nyle | no |
| 14:39.38 | Nyle | meaning... |
| 14:39.43 | limpio | i like icewm, especially the keybindings i can configure to my taste |
| 14:39.49 | Nyle | oh ok |
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| 14:40.16 | spanther | the nvidia oneliner doesnt work ^^" |
| 14:40.23 | spanther | nvidia-kernel-2.6-686 cant be found |
| 14:40.27 | Nyle | enouf: recall seeing may pc 100 chips at work |
| 14:40.41 | Nyle | enouf: can't recall if it was from a p3 box or a p4 |
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| 14:40.54 | enouf | RD-800 maybe ;-) |
| 14:40.56 | Nyle | afaik p4 only works on mobo that takes at least ddr no? |
| 14:40.56 | asg | spanther: using which debian version? |
| 14:41.02 | Nyle | or rambus? |
| 14:41.05 | Nyle | really |
| 14:41.06 | spanther | asg etch 4.0r1 |
| 14:41.08 | enouf | Nyle: yeah |
| 14:41.23 | enouf | Nyle: p2/p3 used pc100/133 |
| 14:41.35 | Nyle | musta been the p3 with spilled coffee |
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| 14:41.43 | Nyle | people come in with the whackiest problems hehe |
| 14:41.50 | jimbalaya | Dell GX240 - runs on a pc133 chipset, i just happen to have put pc100 in there |
| 14:41.58 | asg | !info nvidia-kernel-2.6-686 etch |
| 14:41.58 | phenom | Any one nix* security savvy whom may have time to go over a rkhunter log? :) |
| 14:41.59 | jimbalaya | http://www.itreviews.co.uk/hardware/h308b.htm |
| 14:42.02 | dpkg | nvidia-kernel-2.6-686: (NVIDIA binary kernel module for 2.6 series compiled for 686), section non-free/x11, is optional. Version: 1.0.8776+6etch1 (etch), Packaged size: 5 kB, Installed size: 40 kB |
| 14:42.04 | enouf | heh |
| 14:42.08 | asg | spanther: ^^^ |
| 14:42.15 | asg | spanther: it's in non-free (/msg dpkg non-free) |
| 14:42.23 | spanther | ah i see |
| 14:42.31 | spanther | sorry didnt enable these repos forgot that hehe |
| 14:42.35 | spanther | my bad |
| 14:42.44 | Nyle | yeh its your bad |
| 14:43.07 | Nyle | but |
| 14:43.09 | Nyle | bad is good |
| 14:43.10 | Nyle | innit? |
| 14:43.16 | enouf | and phat ;-) |
| 14:43.19 | spanther | merry christmas anyway :'( |
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| 14:43.36 | enouf | !comfort spanther |
| 14:43.36 | dpkg | There, there, spanther. It's OK. I'm here for you. |
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| 14:44.13 | Nyle | I'm still trying to figure out tintin |
| 14:44.31 | Nyle | automapping functions are giving me shit |
| 14:44.51 | enouf | rintintin? |
| 14:44.56 | nvz | well I'll be dipped in shit and called a poo stew |
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| 14:45.07 | Nyle | but at least its packaged, thank god, I didn't know some old mudclient like that ...nvz...? |
| 14:45.17 | Nyle | o_O |
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| 14:45.59 | nvz | I think I can do some interesting things with this xnee |
| 14:46.02 | spanther | mmh brb testing |
| 14:46.07 | nvz | didn't even know it was in debian |
| 14:46.09 | Nyle | ...like that would have been packaged but I guess someone likes muds |
| 14:46.44 | Nyle | nvz: are you alright? |
| 14:48.14 | nvz | yep |
| 14:49.32 | Nyle | is there a way to build a custom debian cd so it contains the base installer + whatever other packages I chose? basically I want to make a debian cd that installs the system and the desktop and all the stuff i normally use all in one cd |
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| 14:49.37 | Nyle | !cd |
| 14:49.37 | dpkg | from memory, cd is a Compact-Disc, or something that can hold about 650 megs, or a shiny silver thing that glitters, or a good beverage coaster, or change directory |
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| 14:49.47 | Nyle | not a live cd though |
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| 14:50.21 | Nyle | well i mmean i know there is a way, I tried to look on google but didn't find anything, all i found was like how to remaster debian based knoppix stuff |
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| 14:51.56 | spanther | yay drivers work :D |
| 14:52.30 | Nyle | I mean that is without having to modify the debian installer, just have the packages on the cd as well? |
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| 14:52.35 | spanther | what settings do i have to write into the xorg.conf that i can use framebuffer at shell mode ? |
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| 14:54.01 | XoX | what's the name of the tool that lets you query the bios for hardware info |
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| 14:54.55 | spanther | !ipw3945 |
| 14:54.55 | dpkg | If you're running a recent version of Debian (etch or greater), do the following: add <contrib> and <non-free> entries in your sources.list, "aptitude update && aptitude install ipw3945-modules-$(uname -r) firmware-ipw3945 ipw3945d && modprobe ipw3945". |
| 14:54.56 | nullvoid | hi all |
| 14:54.58 | cahoot | dmidecode? |
| 14:55.12 | nullvoid | any good guide for me to install debian on my usb? |
| 14:55.14 | lhadji | spanther, higher res in the shell before x is loaded? |
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| 14:55.29 | spanther | lhadji: yes hehehe :) |
| 14:55.42 | XoX | cahoot: yes thanks |
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| 14:55.50 | lhadji | spanther, in menu.lst for grub.. chuck a vga=791 at the end of your kernel line |
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| 14:55.57 | lhadji | 791 is 1024x768 i believe |
| 14:56.04 | lhadji | google for more codes :) |
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| 14:56.28 | spanther | lhadji: uh i dont know how to manipulate the menu.lst or how to reach it :/ |
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| 14:56.43 | oobajas | man manipulate |
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| 14:56.59 | spanther | oobajas: lol |
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| 14:57.51 | oobajas | /boot/grub/menu.lst? (I'm drunk, so I come barging in, commenting on things I don't have a clue what are about) |
| 14:58.02 | lhadji | yeah. |
| 14:58.14 | spanther | cool i can browse this folder :D |
| 14:58.22 | spanther | thought it is special security locked |
| 14:58.44 | lhadji | spanther, in that file you will see what comes up with grub when you turn ya comp on.. on the kernel line something similar like |
| 14:58.45 | lhadji | kernel /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.18-5-686 root=/dev/hda1 ro |
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| 14:59.03 | lhadji | on the end of that, vga=791 |
| 14:59.14 | spanther | lhadji: i do have 1280x800 :) |
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| 15:00.14 | lhadji | spanther - codes here. http://ruslug.rutgers.edu/~mcgrof/grub-images/configs/linux/menu.lst |
| 15:00.39 | spanther | lhadji: thank you very much :) |
| 15:00.57 | spanther | ah i see no widescreen codes yet |
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| 15:01.45 | spanther | oh and what i ever wanted to know uh |
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| 15:02.01 | spanther | whats the difference between normal boot and single-user mode boot kernel? |
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| 15:02.20 | bluesceada | hm |
| 15:02.30 | bluesceada | what could be the course of strange acting keys |
| 15:02.50 | bluesceada | if i stay on any key... it will just be displayed once |
| 15:03.06 | bluesceada | so i need to use backspace a lot lot lot if i want to clean a line |
| 15:03.12 | bluesceada | some program must have mssed this up |
| 15:03.14 | spanther | *brb rebooting* |
| 15:03.21 | bluesceada | but how can i make it work again without restarting X |
| 15:03.23 | bluesceada | anyone? |
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| 15:07.38 | harpal | Can I modify boot and place some image in background while booting debian? |
| 15:07.53 | Kamping_Kaiser | yes |
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| 15:08.20 | harpal | Kamping_Kaiser, how to do that? |
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| 15:08.38 | Kamping_Kaiser | harpal, not sure. i havent ever lookd into it |
| 15:08.40 | teclo- | Hello, in lenny, in what package is /usr/bin/aplay ? |
| 15:08.55 | Kamping_Kaiser | teago, `dpkg -S /usr/bin/aplay` |
| 15:09.01 | Kamping_Kaiser | !find /usr/bin/aplay |
| 15:09.08 | dpkg | Debian Package/File/Desc Search of '/usr/bin/aplay' returned no results. |
| 15:09.17 | teclo- | Kamping_Kaiser: thank you |
| 15:09.22 | teclo- | ouch, I need aplay real bad ! |
| 15:09.25 | Kamping_Kaiser | teclo-, np |
| 15:09.32 | teclo- | is aplay gone ? |
| 15:09.41 | Maulkin | !find aplay |
| 15:09.42 | dpkg | Debian Package Listing of 'aplay' (15 of 17): alsaplayer-alsa ;; alsaplayer-common ;; alsaplayer-daemon ;; alsaplayer-esd ;; alsaplayer-gtk ;; alsaplayer-jack ;; alsaplayer-nas ;; alsaplayer-oss ;; alsaplayer-text ;; alsaplayer-xosd ;; camediaplay ;; libalsaplayer-dev ;; libalsaplayer0 ;; libsomaplayer-dev ;; libsomaplayer0. |
| 15:09.55 | Kamping_Kaiser | teago, dpkg -S /usr/bin/aplay |
| 15:09.56 | Kamping_Kaiser | alsa-utils: /usr/bin/aplay |
| 15:10.01 | teclo- | I installed alsaplayer-command |
| 15:10.08 | Maulkin | !tell teclo- about search |
| 15:10.09 | harpal | ok but its possible right? |
| 15:10.17 | teclo- | oops I mean alsaplayer-text |
| 15:10.48 | Maulkin | alsa-utils |
| 15:10.49 | Kamping_Kaiser | harpal, i belive so |
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| 15:11.24 | harpal | because I have seen that in suse but not knowing how |
| 15:13.33 | Maulkin | harpal: look at uspash and splashy |
| 15:13.38 | teclo- | ouch |
| 15:13.43 | teclo- | aplay is gone in lenny ! |
| 15:14.09 | DustyDingo | hi, is there any good repository to install tor? |
| 15:14.27 | abrotman | !tor |
| 15:14.27 | dpkg | tor is probably a system of proxies to maintain anonymity, see http://tor.eff.org/ or not allowed on #debian, see http://freenode.net/policy.shtml#tor, or not in etch, see http://wiki.noreply.org/noreply/TheOnionRouter/TorOnDebian |
| 15:14.30 | teclo- | attention, tor tue |
| 15:14.50 | harpal | Maulkin, ok |
| 15:14.51 | teclo- | yeah and alsaplayer yells at me |
| 15:14.58 | DustyDingo | i used http://mirror.noreply.org/, but i can't verify the packages with the key mentioned on this wiki page |
| 15:15.04 | teclo- | alsaplayer ./wav/dvisionfunky01.wav |
| 15:15.04 | teclo- | The font "fixed" does not support all the required character sets for the current locale "fr_BE@euro" (Missing character set "ISO8859-15") (Missing character set "ISO8859-15") |
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| 15:15.15 | phenom | Any one with experience with rkhunter have a sec to go over a log? |
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| 15:15.46 | phenom | Dont allow tor nodes here? :/ |
| 15:15.51 | phenom | Lamers are winning. |
| 15:15.58 | fasta | How do I rm a file called ~? |
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| 15:16.07 | nexxu | hi, how can I install `killall' ? procps is installed but I don`t have killall though |
| 15:16.11 | rewired | fasta: rm \~ ? |
| 15:16.16 | abrotman | fasta: \ or quotes |
| 15:16.22 | Eclipser | nexxu, use pkill |
| 15:16.26 | Kamping_Kaiser | fasta, with -i :) |
| 15:16.45 | rokra | Hello is there a way to see if my network card is in 100baseT instead of 10? MY network transfer is about 1Mb/s :( |
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| 15:17.03 | Archie1 | is there a public_html-like dir for tomcat? |
| 15:17.03 | Eclipser | rokra, dmesg |
| 15:17.09 | fasta | Hmm, I thought I tried escaping it, must be PEBKAC. Thanks |
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| 15:17.18 | abrotman | rokra: ethtool or mii-tool |
| 15:17.40 | nexxu | Eclipser 10q |
| 15:17.41 | rokra | ok thanks I m looking |
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| 15:17.48 | fasta | No, it's not PEBKAC. cd \~ doesn't work |
| 15:18.05 | teclo- | ouch, can't install live-helper on lenny, look: |
| 15:18.07 | teclo- | Couldn't find any package whose name or description matched "live-helper" |
| 15:18.09 | rokra | there is no lspci? |
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| 15:18.16 | Eclipser | rokra, install pciutils |
| 15:18.20 | fasta | Never mind |
| 15:18.20 | Kamping_Kaiser | teclo-, i think its been renamed |
| 15:18.32 | Eclipser | rokra, or was it pcitools |
| 15:18.37 | Eclipser | rokra, something like that anyway |
| 15:18.44 | abrotman | rokra: lspci will just show the device .. not the speed |
| 15:18.46 | rokra | Eclipser: yeap it s ok found it |
| 15:18.52 | teclo- | Kamping_Kaiser: ah ? |
| 15:18.56 | teclo- | look: http://packages.debian.org/lenny/live-helper |
| 15:18.59 | teclo- | it's still there ! |
| 15:19.05 | rokra | Eclipser: pciutils works good |
| 15:19.39 | Kamping_Kaiser | teclo-, i stand corrected. #debian-live on irc.oftc.net would probably be able to help (the'll probably tel you to install the lastest anyway) |
| 15:19.41 | Kamping_Kaiser | *sp |
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| 15:20.10 | rokra | Eclipser: abrotman ok my interface is in 100 Full however my transfer is 1Mb/s may be due to samba? |
| 15:20.25 | teclo- | Kamping_Kaiser: okay, I'm on oftc.net right now :) Danke :) |
| 15:20.38 | Kamping_Kaiser | teclo-, :) good luck with it |
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| 15:21.29 | abrotman | rokra: are both systems in 100FD ? |
| 15:21.45 | rokra | abrotman: yeap and switch too |
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| 15:22.04 | rokra | abrotman: so Ok I will take a look on cable RJ45 |
| 15:22.13 | rokra | abrotman: may be one is old |
| 15:23.49 | nexxu | rokra: before changin the cable try to copy the same thing through ftp and see if there is a difference in speed |
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| 15:24.23 | rokra | nexxu: I m going to check |
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| 15:26.37 | rokra | I didnt know what I do , i restarted the interfaces script and now I m about 9Mb/s |
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| 15:26.54 | rokra | so I will consider this prob partially resolved |
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| 15:32.19 | lhadji | Nyle did you end up finding a site with info on what you wanted with your own cd? |
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| 15:32.56 | SPF | how can I burn a linux cd iso onto dvd? |
| 15:33.12 | SPF | im out of cds and the shops are closed |
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| 15:33.42 | abrotman | can't you just use the ISO? |
| 15:33.48 | abrotman | use whatever program you use normally? |
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| 15:34.03 | Eclipser | hm |
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| 15:34.07 | SPF | I tried, but it wont boot |
| 15:34.18 | Eclipser | there was some weird site which provided something funny to install debian from windows without the need for a boot media |
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| 15:34.33 | ManuP | how do i get my horizontal sync range? i use a hp notebook |
| 15:34.36 | chin1 | i installed vim-ruby but yet have no highlighting |
| 15:34.40 | SPF | if I could run a bootp server, it could |
| 15:34.58 | Noboru | hi guys,i need quick help,i do netstat -an -t tcp | grep ":80" | grep ESTABLISHED | awk '{printf "%s %s\n",$5,$6}' | sort, how come the IPs in the result started with ::ffff: thus i cannot view the complete IPs |
| 15:35.10 | Noboru | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:35.21 | Noboru | 1 ::ffff:122.89.146.:8049 |
| 15:35.23 | Noboru | and so on. |
| 15:35.39 | abrotman | ipv6 afaik |
| 15:35.45 | Noboru | strange is,i run this same command on another of my server,no problem at all |
| 15:36.11 | Noboru | hi abrotman ,Merry x'mas by the way/the time :) |
| 15:36.16 | phenom | Any one with experience with rkhunter have a sec to go over a log? Or is my invisibility cloak on again? :) |
| 15:36.17 | Noboru | abrotman, well, both of my two server has the same setup though,hmmm |
| 15:36.17 | SPF | Noboru: no problem here either |
| 15:36.36 | Noboru | abrotman, how would you think a resolution about that ? |
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| 15:36.48 | Noboru | SPF, :( |
| 15:36.56 | abrotman | Noboru: there's nothing wrong with that |
| 15:37.27 | Noboru | abrotman, you mean that IP is from a IPV6 thing ? |
| 15:37.33 | abrotman | yes |
| 15:37.36 | Noboru | abrotman, no |
| 15:37.55 | abrotman | yes? |
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| 15:37.58 | abrotman | :) |
| 15:38.02 | Noboru | i mean,in another of my server,i do not get those ::ffff: thing at the beginning so that i can view all IPs |
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| 15:38.41 | Noboru | abrotman, on this server however,i run that netstat command i get all IPs started with ::ffff: ,this is not normal |
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| 15:39.26 | Noboru | how do i fix it ? |
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| 15:40.13 | cusco_ | hello |
| 15:40.30 | Noboru | hmm |
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| 15:40.47 | cusco_ | my home server is hanging.. it responds to pings but not to ssh or http connection |
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| 15:41.01 | cusco_ | besides rebooting, it any ideas? |
| 15:41.30 | Noboru | abrotman, okay,i gotta go to bed,sorry,if you have any idea later on, i will ask you about this agagin next time i come to here,thanks |
| 15:41.45 | Noboru | abrotman, i mean,frankly,this is not normal,there must be something wrong.hmmm |
| 15:42.00 | abrotman | Noboru: there's really nothing wrong with it |
| 15:42.15 | Noboru | abrotman, but if its like this,i cannot ban the exact IP |
| 15:42.27 | abrotman | Noboru: sure you can .. use awk to split it up |
| 15:42.43 | Noboru | on another of my server,i can ban the exact IP if i do netstat .... to find too many connections from the same IP |
| 15:43.02 | Noboru | abrotman, huh ? awk ? would you give me the complete command ? |
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| 15:43.25 | abrotman | awk -F: '{print <the ones you want>}' |
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| 15:44.02 | Noboru | abrotman, please wait,let me try. |
| 15:44.49 | abrotman | Noboru: you'll probably have to work at it fro a bit .. try it tomorrow with a fresh head :) |
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| 15:47.12 | Noboru | abrotman, it doesnt work |
| 15:47.17 | abrotman | Noboru: what if you 'netstat -4' ? |
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| 15:47.51 | Noboru | nothing,but Proto Recv-Q Send-Q Local Address Foreign Address State |
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| 15:48.26 | Noboru | abrotman, if i run netstat -tnap | grep ":80 " | awk '{printf "%s\n",$5}'| sort | uniq -c,i got all those IPs started with ::ffff: |
| 15:48.43 | abrotman | right ... |
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| 15:49.10 | abrotman | Noboru: show us the whole line (sanitize the IP ifneeded) |
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| 15:49.20 | Noboru | pls wait |
| 15:49.27 | abrotman | Noboru: what are you trying to ban anyways? |
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| 15:50.06 | Noboru | abrotman, here http://pastebin.ca/831102 |
| 15:50.14 | pickcoder | abrotman: c'mon.. you need atleast a $20 |
| 15:50.31 | pickcoder | inflation and all |
| 15:50.39 | Noboru | see, i cannot view most of the IPs with the complete address of themselves. |
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| 15:50.56 | abrotman | Noboru: did you sanitize that? |
| 15:51.22 | Noboru | abrotman, because many times some users try to flood my server by connecting many connections to my server,it has happened a moment ago. |
| 15:51.45 | pickcoder | Noboru: do you have an ipv6 network? |
| 15:51.52 | abrotman | Noboru: netstat -tnap | grep ":80 " | awk '{printf "%s\n",$5}'| sort | uniq -c | awk -F: '{print $4}' |
| 15:51.52 | Noboru | sanitize ? i dont understand,i just pasted what i get from running that command here. |
| 15:52.01 | abrotman | but those aren't full IPs |
| 15:52.02 | pickcoder | s/i/it |
| 15:52.20 | Noboru | pickcoder, no i do not,im 100% sure. on another of my debian server,i dont have this problem |
| 15:52.35 | pickcoder | you should blacklist that ipv6 modules if you don't need ipv6 addressing |
| 15:52.36 | Noboru | both server are located in the same data-centre |
| 15:53.07 | pickcoder | meh.. I can't type.. NyQuil works well until you need to function the next day |
| 15:53.14 | Noboru | abrotman, i ran netstat -tnap | grep ":80 " | awk '{printf "%s\n",$5}'| sort | uniq -c | awk -F: '{print $4}' ,i still get those incomplete IPs. |
| 15:53.43 | Noboru | pickcoder, is that easyjob ? |
| 15:53.52 | pickcoder | yup |
| 15:53.55 | abrotman | Noboru: do you get the fulll IP with netstat -tnap ? |
| 15:54.08 | Noboru | my kernel came from debian,i didn't recompile it myself. |
| 15:54.49 | Noboru | abrotman, no,not all |
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| 15:55.05 | Noboru | tcp6 0 0 ::ffff:222.214.216.8:80 ::ffff:208.36.144:52537 TIME_WAIT - |
| 15:55.16 | Noboru | same, not full IPs . |
| 15:55.23 | abrotman | 222.214.216.8 |
| 15:55.25 | abrotman | that's a full IP |
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| 15:55.32 | Noboru | that is my server's ip |
| 15:55.37 | abrotman | oh |
| 15:55.39 | abrotman | now we have it! |
| 15:55.50 | Noboru | tips please |
| 15:56.26 | abrotman | btw .. note the tcp6 bit |
| 15:57.27 | Noboru | here the result http://pastebin.ca/831113 |
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| 15:58.45 | Noboru | pickcoder and abrotman ,would you give me a resolution please |
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| 15:59.16 | abrotman | Noboru: use awk to pull the IP .. i'm not sure why it's truncating some though |
| 15:59.32 | stew | Noboru: what exactly is the problem? |
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| 16:00.04 | Noboru | hi stew ,i dont know what is wrong,but i run netstat command on this server i dont get the full IPs |
| 16:00.12 | pickcoder | ipv4 compat in ipv6 cuts off the last segment of the IP |
| 16:00.22 | pickcoder | but not for all of the connections |
| 16:00.28 | Noboru | whatever i do netstat -tnap | grep ":80 " | awk '{printf "%s\n",$5}'| sort | uniq -c, or ,netstat -an -t tcp | grep ":80" | grep ESTABLISHED | awk '{printf "%s %s\n",$5,$6}' | sort |
| 16:00.43 | SPF | Noboru: what do you get when you try lsof -i | grep ":www" ? |
| 16:00.53 | Noboru | so, i cannot ban the exact IP when my server is being flooding and stuff. |
| 16:01.09 | pickcoder | Noboru: blacklist ipv6 and reboot |
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| 16:01.35 | Noboru | stew, check http://pastebin.ca/831102 and http://pastebin.ca/831113 |
| 16:01.50 | pickcoder | that's not a solution.. however. it's a bypass |
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| 16:02.43 | Noboru | btw,i use putty to connect to my server via ssh,i dont think this might be a matter though. cuz it works ok on another of my etch box in the same data-centre |
| 16:02.55 | stew | Noboru: file a bug |
| 16:03.11 | stew | Noboru: /msg dpkg reportbug |
| 16:03.19 | Noboru | SPF, -bash: lsof: command not found |
| 16:03.38 | stew | Noboru: aptitude install lsof |
| 16:03.56 | Noboru | wait. |
| 16:04.10 | SPF | lsof also shows ipv4 and ipv6 |
| 16:04.50 | Noboru | http://pastebin.ca/831120 |
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| 16:06.20 | Noboru | i saw many IPV6 marks. |
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| 16:07.04 | SPF | hmm, strange |
| 16:07.05 | Noboru | strange is, i never had this problem on another of my etch box, with almost the same configurations. |
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| 16:08.03 | Noboru | one of the difference is, the data-centre has hardware firewall set on this server |
| 16:08.12 | Noboru | could this be a possible cause ? |
| 16:08.17 | stew | Noboru: no |
| 16:08.21 | Noboru | oh. |
| 16:08.58 | stew | Noboru: you appear to be seeing a bug in netstat, you should report it |
| 16:09.43 | Noboru | can i check the version of the netstat ? i will compare it with it in another of my server |
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| 16:09.54 | SPF | from the ipv6 wiki: ::ffff:0:0/96 — this prefix is used for IPv4 mapped addresses |
| 16:10.05 | soczol | Noboru: netstat -V |
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| 16:10.45 | Noboru | netstat 1.42 |
| 16:11.16 | Noboru | same version on another of my server,just checked. |
| 16:12.07 | Noboru | hmm |
| 16:12.19 | Noboru | btw,this server has 2 nic,but i only used one. |
| 16:12.22 | SPF | I have the same version |
| 16:12.30 | Noboru | on another of my server,it has one nic. |
| 16:12.38 | SPF | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IPv6 |
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| 16:14.23 | Noboru | hmm |
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| 16:15.35 | Noboru | im really tired i will ask about this tomorrow night my time :( |
| 16:15.53 | Noboru | Thanks all to trying to help and merry 'xmas in advance. good night. |
| 16:16.07 | SPF | you to Noboru |
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| 16:17.34 | pti-jean | hello everybody, i'm trying to have wifi support for a Compaq presario C700 laptop, featuring the nightmare card "Broadcom Corporation Dell Wireless 1390 WLAN Mini-PCI Card (rev 02)". I tryed : bc43, bcm43xx, ndiswrapper with the provided vista driver and all the drivers taht i could find that were reported to be working. I've had most luck with the current ndiswrapper install using bcwl5 driver - though it's scanning 9 networks out of the 15 avalaib |
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| 16:19.25 | pti-jean | i've tryed probably the majority of the howtos that are avalaible on internet, from debian to ubuntu, from official to user-contributed manuals and articles |
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| 16:19.41 | pti-jean | but obviously i haven't figure the right driver .... |
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| 16:21.24 | pti-jean | i forgot it's xmas, most users probably celebrate it and i'll have hard times finding support ... |
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| 16:22.27 | toomasr_ | kde.org states that kde4rc2 is in "debian experimental", i guess unstable/sid it means, i cannot find any though, have i misunderstood something? |
| 16:22.46 | toomasr_ | to see whats in unstable under kde i check the url http://packages.debian.org/unstable/kde/ |
| 16:22.57 | petemc | experimental means experimental |
| 16:24.18 | toomasr_ | petemc: oh, thx, my bad then, i interpreted wikipedia wrong, now when double checked I see |
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| 16:25.07 | phretor | hi there |
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| 16:25.54 | phretor | I am on SID and when I start netatalk (afpd) I see nothing really starting: no daemon is running, nothing is logged (even if I enabled logging). Ideas? |
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| 16:28.10 | limpio | when i do an update/dist-upgrade, in order for this to take effect, do i have to reboot? |
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| 16:28.40 | phretor | liable: at least if you want to take advantage of new kernel |
| 16:28.53 | limpio | thanks |
| 16:29.55 | phretor | where's webmin? No more debian package? |
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| 16:33.29 | nvz | hah, webmin |
| 16:33.51 | nvz | usermin is gone too it seems |
| 16:34.05 | nvz | not that i care |
| 16:34.17 | nvz | good riddens to bad rubbish |
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| 16:35.41 | phretor | nvz: alternatives? |
| 16:35.50 | nvz | phretor: bash? |
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| 16:35.59 | nvz | phretor: ssh + screen + bash |
| 16:36.00 | phretor | nvz: well, bash is what I am using now |
| 16:36.04 | nvz | + editor |
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| 16:36.20 | nvz | yeah, what's the problem then ? :P |
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| 16:36.26 | phretor | nvz: by the way, did you read my question above about my netatalk problem? |
| 16:36.46 | nvz | phretor: uh yeah |
| 16:36.52 | nvz | phretor: I was talking about wemin |
| 16:37.20 | phretor | nvz: right, but got ideas about my netatalk problem? I simply cannot figure out where to start from :( |
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| 16:37.35 | nvz | uh, I don't even know what it is |
| 16:37.53 | nvz | phretor: if a daemon isn't starting then you didn't run it? |
| 16:38.20 | nvz | its not safe to assume a package that has a daemon has an init script that it runs automatically |
| 16:38.33 | phretor | nvz: I am using the debian init.d/netatalk script to start the service and it also seems to take a while for starting up. However, nothing is running then. |
| 16:39.04 | nvz | phretor: have you checked the BTS? you are running sid. |
| 16:39.15 | phretor | nvz: not yet |
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| 16:39.30 | nvz | yeah well thats priority 1, you should also have apt-listbugs installed |
| 16:39.39 | nvz | so it does this for you automatically every time you install something |
| 16:40.15 | phretor | thanks |
| 16:41.00 | phretor | as you might have noticed, I am about to set up a home debian-based NAS |
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| 16:42.26 | nvz | nope, don't even know what you are talking about |
| 16:42.37 | nvz | NAS should not be used as a TLA |
| 16:42.42 | xsdg | phretor: netatalk _always_ takes a while to start |
| 16:43.10 | phretor | xsdg: indeed, however here it does *not* start at all :P |
| 16:43.15 | xsdg | oh |
| 16:43.20 | nvz | I assume though in this case you mean Network Attached Storage |
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| 16:43.21 | xsdg | phretor: i there anything in /var/log/daemon.log? |
| 16:43.30 | nvz | that TLA however is played out |
| 16:43.38 | bravvve | hello every body |
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| 16:44.31 | phretor | xsdg: Dec 21 00:38:35 nas afpd[2963]: DSIConfigInit: Error registering afp://127.0.1.1/?NAME=nas&ZONE= with SRVLOC |
| 16:44.57 | bravvve | i'v a curius question,can we get our phone calls in the computer under linux? |
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| 16:45.23 | nvz | bravvve: yes, though that depends on what you mean specifically |
| 16:45.40 | nvz | asterisk, skype...? |
| 16:45.58 | xsdg | phretor: I'm not sure, but as a guess, is your loopback device configured properly? (can you ping 127.0.1.1 and get a response?) |
| 16:46.19 | pickcoder | bravvve: what kind of phone calls? |
| 16:46.32 | phretor | xsdg: yup, 127.0.0.1 is up and runs |
| 16:46.46 | xsdg | phretor: 127.0._1_.1 |
| 16:46.49 | bravvve | my modem is connected to a phone ligne,adsl connection so can i recept my phone calls |
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| 16:47.05 | phretor | oh my bad |
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| 16:47.43 | phretor | xsdg: yes, it works as well |
| 16:47.49 | anabain | how can I check which screen resolution I am currently using? I mean a console command |
| 16:48.20 | xsdg | phretor: best I can offer is "google for the error message" then; I've not seen that before, and it's been some time since I've used netatalk |
| 16:48.29 | xsdg | anabain: xrandr |
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| 16:49.09 | bravvve | so can i? |
| 16:49.27 | xsdg | bravvve: google for mgetty |
| 16:49.44 | xsdg | bravvve: that might not do specifically what you want to do, but it should give you some hints at least |
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| 16:49.49 | dbmoodb | !xmas |
| 16:49.49 | dpkg | 'Twas the night before christmas, and all through the shack, not a creature was stirring, 'cept the skript kid, learning to hack. The stockings were hung by the chimney with care, as he sat at his computer cracking aware. The pornos were stacked all over his room, he knew nothing of his impending doom. |
| 16:49.58 | phretor | do we have rw support for hfsplus? |
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| 16:50.13 | xsdg | es |
| 16:50.15 | bravvve | there is spme sofwers but is does not work |
| 16:50.16 | xsdg | phretor: yes |
| 16:50.21 | phretor | xsdg: native? |
| 16:50.30 | dbmoodb | ha tpg - iinet is giving up free data today :) |
| 16:50.33 | xsdg | phretor: I think so, in recent kernels |
| 16:50.36 | bravvve | well french sites |
| 16:50.46 | Garda | Merrry christmas debian users!!!! |
| 16:50.52 | dbmoodb | :) |
| 16:50.55 | dbmoodb | !christmas |
| 16:50.55 | dpkg | from memory, christmas is a holiday in the Christian calendar, observed in most of the Western world on December 25, which celebrates the birth of Jesus. According to the Christian gospels, Jesus was born to Mary in Bethlehem, where she and her husband Joseph had travelled to register in the Roman census. Christ's birth, or nativity, was said by his followers to fulfill the prophecies of Judaism that a messiah would come, from the house of David, to ... |
| 16:50.56 | nvz | ugh |
| 16:51.06 | phretor | xsdg: strange, I am mounting RW without being able to write "read-only filesystem" (I am r00t) |
| 16:51.30 | xsdg | phretor: do you get any interesting messages in dmesg? |
| 16:51.33 | dbmoodb | garda having fun |
| 16:51.41 | Garda | yep! |
| 16:51.48 | Garda | just got back from my gf's place |
| 16:51.53 | Garda | it's 3:51am |
| 16:52.12 | joti | hello all |
| 16:52.16 | dbmoodb | same here dude |
| 16:52.17 | dbmoodb | - syd |
| 16:52.20 | anabain | does anybody know why xserver does not obey xorg.conf settings? |
| 16:52.21 | dbmoodb | :) iineter |
| 16:52.26 | dbmoodb | free data todate :) |
| 16:52.29 | dbmoodb | today* |
| 16:52.42 | xsdg | anabain: less /var/log/Xorg.0.log |
| 16:52.48 | joti | does anyone have an idea where to start reading when i want to create some more or less embedded unix system? |
| 16:52.48 | dbmoodb | !iinet |
| 16:52.48 | dpkg | hmm... iinet is an australian ISP or http://www.iinet.net.au |
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| 16:53.04 | xsdg | anabain: which is, to say, "it does, or if it overrides them, will tell you why it did" |
| 16:53.14 | anabain | ok |
| 16:53.15 | dbmoodb | what kind of embedded ? |
| 16:53.19 | xsdg | joti: what do you mean by "embedded"? |
| 16:53.20 | dbmoodb | for what purpose ... |
| 16:53.23 | joti | i've got roughly xbox1 hardware and want to turn it into some media player burner and stuff - but it isnt an xbox |
| 16:53.35 | xsdg | joti: what architecture? |
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| 16:53.48 | dbmoodb | - joti see the xbox site don't ask here |
| 16:54.01 | dbmoodb | unless you want to run debian |
| 16:54.12 | joti | exactly that is what was the plan |
| 16:54.20 | bravvve | any one know how can my computer be a phone center |
| 16:54.30 | xsdg | bravvve: also, google for asterix |
| 16:54.35 | joti | i want the flexibility and apt-getness of debian, and make it as small as possible |
| 16:54.46 | xsdg | joti: what architecture? |
| 16:54.50 | dbmoodb | !asterik |
| 16:55.04 | joti | celeron 700, 128mb ram, flash memory as big as i like |
| 16:55.06 | bravvve | ok thnks |
| 16:55.10 | dbmoodb | !asterisk |
| 16:55.10 | dpkg | rumour has it, asterisk is a VoIP phone system for linux. Very powerful very cool, or #asterisk-stable, or http://www.asterisk.org/ |
| 16:55.37 | dbmoodb | ok joti, what are you hoping to run ? .... (dvd, xvid ?) |
| 16:55.49 | joti | one realtek lan, one minipci (prism wlan), one pci, no tvout-chip |
| 16:56.04 | bravvve | thank you |
| 16:56.07 | xsdg | joti: x86? does it have a (usable) cdrom drive? net? |
| 16:56.08 | dbmoodb | k |
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| 16:56.18 | xsdg | bravvve: np |
| 16:56.23 | joti | i was hoping for some media center (yes, dvd, xvid, stuff) lcd display, hardware keys |
| 16:56.26 | dbmoodb | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:56.33 | xsdg | oh, duh |
| 16:56.37 | xsdg | :o) |
| 16:56.37 | joti | yes, i can attach a cdrom drive, i've got one ide-connector |
| 16:56.41 | dbmoodb | so ...mmm you will need a way to get a display |
| 16:56.46 | joti | i've got one |
| 16:56.49 | joti | uses usb |
| 16:56.53 | xsdg | joti: if you can get it to boot the debian installer, you should be set, then |
| 16:56.53 | dbmoodb | ok good so install debian lol |
| 16:57.04 | dbmoodb | !install |
| 16:57.05 | dpkg | There are a myriad different ways to install Debian. See http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/debian-installer for a list of images. Ask me about <install guide> and <d-i> for detailed instructions. (If you've never installed Debian before, you should read the install guide.) |
| 16:57.51 | joti | thanks, i was thinking of how to get standard debian install as small as possible to fit in a) in 128mb with all apps and be able to use it on flash memory without swap... |
| 16:58.05 | dbmoodb | well ... mmm dedicated graphics card ? |
| 16:58.05 | joti | anyone tried using nfs for swap - not a good idea isn't it? |
| 16:58.07 | jimbalaya | joti: if you're looking to start at the *base* system, in my experience, the debian 4.0r1 debian businesscard installer is the smallest possible start point |
| 16:58.13 | dbmoodb | no tis not joti |
| 16:58.14 | xsdg | joti: no, it's not :o) |
| 16:58.23 | xsdg | dbmoodb: heh, looks like we're on the same page today :o) |
| 16:58.33 | dbmoodb | nar i'm one line ahead |
| 16:58.54 | dbmoodb | :) |
| 16:58.57 | joti | @dbmoodb i've got some small intel integrated graphics |
| 16:59.05 | xsdg | jimbalaya: I think you may be in over your head if you want an install with X and multimedia stuff to fit in 128 megs (or is that memory, rather than "disk" space?) |
| 16:59.26 | dbmoodb | oh great... you would do better buying some more ram ... |
| 16:59.35 | joti | @ xsdg - it ram |
| 16:59.41 | dbmoodb | - otherwise running e or another light manager ... could work |
| 16:59.55 | dbmoodb | what kind of things does myth tv require ? |
| 17:00.13 | xsdg | joti: if you want reasonable performance, you probably want some more memory |
| 17:00.18 | joti | @xsdg - disk is rather not limited but i wanted to get any moving parts out there to make it loudless and always-on |
| 17:00.18 | ravenbird | joti: okay |
| 17:00.38 | dbmoodb | mmm.... fan less, celeron ? |
| 17:00.44 | joti | jupp |
| 17:00.50 | joti | takes max. 40w |
| 17:00.57 | dbmoodb | cough cough, buy a apple tv and install debian - i think that is possible - oh really max 40 w ? |
| 17:01.09 | joti | if you don't plugin an extra pci card or disk and stuff |
| 17:01.20 | dbmoodb | k |
| 17:01.32 | dbmoodb | well mmm just for watching media from other computers is it ? |
| 17:01.38 | joti | right |
| 17:01.44 | dbmoodb | -me too atm (warranty crap with the ipod) |
| 17:01.57 | xsdg | joti: you should check if you can take advantage of the video hardware (DRI and whatnot) |
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| 17:02.01 | joti | maybe to stream satellite tv stuff |
| 17:02.06 | xsdg | joti: as well as if it has a hardware DVD decoder |
| 17:02.14 | dbmoodb | so you could get an thin client and run stuff off another |
| 17:02.20 | xsdg | joti: I would imagine it gets by with that little power by moving compute-intensive stuff off the CPU |
| 17:02.36 | dbmoodb | -xsdg no |
| 17:02.44 | dbmoodb | my laptop uses much less than that |
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| 17:03.01 | dbmoodb | tis called real design and thinking |
| 17:03.01 | joti | exactly this machine was sold by german telekom as t-online s-100 |
| 17:03.07 | dbmoodb | not 11111ghz |
| 17:03.18 | joti | also known as bose zenega |
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| 17:03.35 | dbmoodb | 700mhz isn't slow .... |
| 17:03.55 | dbmoodb | i'm at 600mhz right now (cpu scaling) |
| 17:04.00 | joti | i've got some xeon server running here so i was thinking to move cpu intensive stuff and mass storage on there |
| 17:04.16 | xsdg | dbmoodb: true, but some video formats want a lot of CPU |
| 17:04.17 | mikeX | hello, I just upgraded to xserver-xorg 1:7.3+8 and xserver-xorg-video-ati 1:6.7.197-1 on my laptop with x700 gfx card, and I can't use the laptop display (LVDS) |
| 17:04.24 | xsdg | (that is, for real-time decoding) |
| 17:04.32 | dbmoodb | - outsource it |
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| 17:04.52 | dbmoodb | well a thin client running an x session would suffice - run stuff from the server |
| 17:05.15 | joti | hm. you mean, that thing just shows an x session from the server and there server does all calcs? |
| 17:05.47 | dbmoodb | sure |
| 17:06.17 | xsdg | dbmoodb: that'd require a lot of network, no? |
| 17:06.22 | joti | hm. never tried that to use remote sound hardware - but that was planned anyway (like notebook uses small machine attached to hifi to play sound instead of using his own - saw these possibilities in kde) |
| 17:06.22 | dbmoodb | and... |
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| 17:06.30 | mikeX | it appears the new ati driver depends on the randr1.2 extension for figuring out resolutioins/displays etc, and it just doesn't work. I connected a display to the dvi connector and at least that works (even thought I have DVI-0 enable "false" in my xorg.conf)... |
| 17:06.41 | joti | that thing just has 100mbit eth |
| 17:06.53 | joti | 10mbit network makes remote x horrible |
| 17:07.09 | dbmoodb | lol 100mbit is fine |
| 17:07.24 | xand | mmm 100 millibits |
| 17:07.46 | dbmoodb | -pulse audio is meant to be ok not stable tho (way off debian standards) |
| 17:07.49 | xsdg | mikeX: do you have xrandr up-to-date? |
| 17:07.51 | joti | hm. thinks so too. vnc over 100mbit mostly i good ok |
| 17:08.07 | dbmoodb | vnc ? |
| 17:08.14 | dbmoodb | .... |
| 17:08.27 | dbmoodb | ssh --> x session or just box --> xsession |
| 17:08.34 | joti | windows sometimes does not like x, and some servers are only avail via vnc |
| 17:08.40 | dbmoodb | oh |
| 17:08.47 | xsdg | joti: I think the big thing is that video is a lot of data; especially if you want low-latency |
| 17:08.49 | dbmoodb | ?.... |
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| 17:09.13 | xsdg | joti: cygwin? |
| 17:09.13 | dbmoodb | !debhelper |
| 17:09.13 | dpkg | from memory, debhelper is a collection of programs that can be used in debian/rules files to automate common tasks related to building debian binary packages. For further documentation, see the man pages for dh_* commands. For an overview of debhelper, see the debhelper man page. #debian's eggdrop bot |
| 17:09.25 | mikeX | xsdg: well nothing with *randr* got upgraded with my xorg/ati upgrade, howerver I manually upgraded libxrandr2 to no avail |
| 17:10.25 | joti | @xsdg: i know cygwin - but i use vnc at home a lot for a graphical screen-replacement - and at work its the only possibility to access some machines... |
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| 17:10.36 | xsdg | joti: have you played video over it? |
| 17:10.48 | joti | no. i might not want to try that |
| 17:11.08 | xsdg | (don't forget that if you're playing elsewhere, then you're sending _uncompressed_ data over the pipe) |
| 17:11.09 | joti | i just used it over different connections from 2mbit to 1gbit |
| 17:11.27 | joti | and tunneled trough some vnc tunnels |
| 17:11.44 | joti | ssh tunnels |
| 17:11.45 | joti | duh |
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| 17:12.06 | xsdg | yeah |
| 17:12.16 | tyler2435 | i love being able to run remote commands all in one like |
| 17:12.17 | tyler2435 | line* |
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| 17:12.18 | tyler2435 | ;o |
| 17:12.20 | dbmoodb | ssh owns |
| 17:12.26 | joti | *g* |
| 17:12.33 | dbmoodb | i ssh to ssh |
| 17:12.38 | tyler2435 | in one of the matrixes they use ssh |
| 17:12.41 | tyler2435 | to try and look cool |
| 17:12.44 | dbmoodb | the second |
| 17:12.47 | tyler2435 | yeah^ |
| 17:12.48 | dryrot | you guys are nerds |
| 17:12.52 | tyler2435 | well |
| 17:12.53 | joti | sure |
| 17:12.53 | dbmoodb | and they use sshnuke or something |
| 17:12.55 | tyler2435 | we're on freenode |
| 17:12.57 | tyler2435 | yup |
| 17:13.00 | xsdg | tyler2435: I use ssh in matrices all the time |
| 17:13.03 | tyler2435 | so wed have to be nerds wouldnt we? |
| 17:13.04 | dbmoodb | with a real exploit and trinity get sroot |
| 17:13.06 | tyler2435 | lol. |
| 17:13.19 | dbmoodb | to turn off the power at the power plant |
| 17:13.25 | xsdg | det([[ssh, vnc];[ssl,smtp]]) |
| 17:14.20 | dbmoodb | ....ssh, gnome-session.. startx... |
| 17:14.24 | dbmoodb | kde.. |
| 17:14.41 | klimy | is there a napster client for linux? with napster i mean this music flatrate where you pay 10€. |
| 17:15.02 | cahoot | google? |
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| 17:15.08 | tyler2435 | i should change my ssh font to green |
| 17:15.08 | klimy | i found some clients for the old napster |
| 17:15.12 | tyler2435 | just to look cool |
| 17:15.13 | joti | try mldonkey |
| 17:15.17 | dbmoodb | cough cough legal |
| 17:15.21 | klimy | ? |
| 17:15.25 | tyler2435 | in fact, i think im going to add color to my $PS1 |
| 17:15.25 | klimy | napster is legal |
| 17:15.31 | dbmoodb | cough |
| 17:15.32 | klimy | i really mean the new one |
| 17:15.34 | tyler2435 | lol.. |
| 17:15.37 | dbmoodb | lol |
| 17:15.40 | klimy | ??? |
| 17:15.43 | dbmoodb | tell it to the judge |
| 17:15.45 | dbmoodb | !napster |
| 17:15.45 | dpkg | i guess napster is a file sharing program geared towards MP3. See also gnapster, or a good way to steal music |
| 17:16.05 | klimy | no really guys. |
| 17:16.10 | dbmoodb | !gnapster |
| 17:16.10 | dpkg | [gnapster] the best napster client available.. There's a bug in gnapster 1.4.1a which might disc you from the official napster servers. Version 1.4.2 fixes this problem. http://jasta.gotlinux.org/programs.htm, or worse than lopster |
| 17:16.12 | klimy | check it out www.napster.com |
| 17:16.26 | dbmoodb | see gnaspter dpkg says |
| 17:16.28 | klimy | you pay 10 € and you can hear drm music |
| 17:16.30 | joti | there is actually a successor owned by bertelsmann. you pay 10€/month and can download all music you're not interested in, and as long as you pay these 10€ it's legal to own them |
| 17:16.42 | dbmoodb | oh wow drm music, can't do that atm sic |
| 17:16.53 | dbmoodb | drm ... ffs get lost |
| 17:16.58 | klimy | -.- |
| 17:17.04 | pickcoder | from what I saw the available music is second-rate bands |
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| 17:17.15 | pickcoder | I'd rather pay for a CD download |
| 17:17.17 | dbmoodb | !bittorrent |
| 17:17.17 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, bittorrent is a P2P file distribution protocol. BitTorrent is also the name of the original BitTorrent client, available in Debian. other clients include bittornado, ktorrent (KDE), rtorrent, qtorrent (Qt) and azureus (only in contrib) |
| 17:17.24 | dbmoodb | or bittorrent it |
| 17:17.30 | klimy | its cheaper than buying all mp3s. i pay only 120 € a year and get as much mp3s as i want |
| 17:17.38 | pickcoder | if I was wanting to get expsore, though, I'd look to get on napster |
| 17:17.41 | dbmoodb | -drmed ? |
| 17:17.42 | pickcoder | exposure even |
| 17:17.51 | joti | yeah, but i tend to not like what they offer |
| 17:17.59 | klimy | dbmoodb: yeah. when i dont pay i cannot hear my music |
| 17:18.05 | dbmoodb | ...... yuck |
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| 17:18.13 | klimy | its a fair trade |
| 17:18.16 | joti | and i like my bach on the go as well as not enjailed |
| 17:18.18 | dbmoodb | hardly |
| 17:18.22 | nascentmind | hi |
| 17:18.33 | klimy | well i guess there is no client for the new napster |
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| 17:18.35 | dbmoodb | - ok klimy put your drm mp3 on my ipod |
| 17:18.48 | dbmoodb | ah much better pick |
| 17:18.48 | klimy | well.. ipod sucks |
| 17:18.49 | joti | loool |
| 17:18.51 | nascentmind | how do i know if nspluginwrapper installed the flash player correctly? about:plugins |
| 17:18.52 | dbmoodb | no you suck |
| 17:18.53 | nascentmind | ? |
| 17:19.01 | tyler2435 | ipods ftmfw |
| 17:19.03 | klimy | -.- whatever |
| 17:19.10 | dbmoodb | flash ... nspluginwrapper ? |
| 17:19.11 | Airbottle | iriver rules |
| 17:19.13 | tyler2435 | and nobody said you had to buy music to play it on an ipod |
| 17:19.21 | joti | anyone uses athlon64 linux and likes it? |
| 17:19.24 | dbmoodb | - no drm |
| 17:19.35 | dbmoodb | drm via naptster and evil evil drm |
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| 17:19.40 | xsdg | joti: "amd64", but yes |
| 17:19.41 | joti | heard much stuff does not run well with 64-bit... |
| 17:19.42 | pickcoder | joti: do you mean the emt64/amd64 version? |
| 17:19.47 | klimy | i did not want to start a flamewar. i had just a simple question. |
| 17:19.53 | joti | @pick yes, amd64 |
| 17:19.56 | dbmoodb | well dpkg says |
| 17:19.59 | dbmoodb | !gnapster |
| 17:20.00 | dpkg | well, gnapster is the best napster client available.. There's a bug in gnapster 1.4.1a which might disc you from the official napster servers. Version 1.4.2 fixes this problem. http://jasta.gotlinux.org/programs.htm, or worse than lopster |
| 17:20.04 | xsdg | joti: depends on what you want to do; it works fine for me (and flash works) |
| 17:20.04 | dbmoodb | look it up |
| 17:20.05 | Hoxzer | joti: I manage ... I manage ... I have nothing bad to say about it |
| 17:20.19 | pickcoder | I don't do molecular modeling with my Xeon server, so I can't say it's a huge boost in performance |
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| 17:20.35 | xsdg | pickcoder: I think the big draw for 64-bit is memory |
| 17:20.43 | tyler2435 | i tis |
| 17:20.44 | pickcoder | xsdg: yup.. |
| 17:20.45 | tyler2435 | it is* |
| 17:20.56 | pickcoder | I haven't needed 6-8GB yet, but it's ready |
| 17:21.02 | joti | @xsdg: firefox, thunderbird, flash, video, amarok via spdif, eclipse with bea vm, random crap on one machine and lots of xen vms on the emt64t one |
| 17:21.06 | xsdg | pickcoder: having run into the 3GB ceiling before, there was no way I was going for a 32-bit machine for my new one |
| 17:21.08 | dbmoodb | does linux support using more than 4gb ? |
| 17:21.18 | pickcoder | 3GB? |
| 17:21.20 | xsdg | dbmoodb: 32-bit or 64-bit? |
| 17:21.23 | pickcoder | I have 4GB on several machines |
| 17:21.25 | dbmoodb | 64 bit |
| 17:21.25 | xsdg | pickcoder: yes, the kernel grabs the top gig |
| 17:21.35 | klimy | dbmoodb: for gods sake... this is the OLD napster... there i need to upload stuff. now i pay for just DL music... |
| 17:21.38 | nascentmind | can somebody help me? |
| 17:21.39 | xsdg | dbmoodb: is that a serious question? |
| 17:21.48 | dbmoodb | yes |
| 17:21.53 | xsdg | dbmoodb: linux supports at least 48 bits of address space |
| 17:21.57 | dbmoodb | i'm not aware if it has been allowed |
| 17:22.13 | dbmoodb | sure but can it handle as of now more than 4gb of ram properly ? |
| 17:22.28 | xsdg | dbmoodb: I have a _32-bit_ machine with 16 gigs of ram. Of course it can |
| 17:22.40 | dbmoodb | .......... how does that work xs ? |
| 17:22.47 | joti | pae? |
| 17:22.49 | xsdg | dbmoodb: (I'm not really sure, but it does :o) |
| 17:22.55 | dbmoodb | ok.......... |
| 17:23.06 | sopalin | exit |
| 17:23.07 | dbmoodb | tisn't |
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| 17:23.45 | dbmoodb | .... tis windows dur |
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| 17:23.52 | joti | ...and for not having kde ;-) |
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| 17:24.00 | dbmoodb | !KDE |
| 17:24.00 | dpkg | somebody said kde was a desktop environment based on the Qt toolkit. See http://www.kde.org for release news and other details, or not a window manager, or ask your questions about it in #debian-kde, or ask me about <kde_trouble>, or to get KDE, ask about <install kde> |
| 17:24.01 | xsdg | dbmoodb: but yeah, amd64 supports at least 48 bits of address space |
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| 17:24.14 | dbmoodb | ok i should stop abusing the bot |
| 17:24.18 | dbmoodb | !bot-love |
| 17:24.20 | dbmoodb | !botlove |
| 17:24.23 | dbmoodb | !bot love |
| 17:24.26 | dbmoodb | gah |
| 17:24.29 | dbmoodb | oh well |
| 17:24.31 | joti | looll |
| 17:24.32 | cahoot | doh |
| 17:24.35 | dbmoodb | good leaving |
| 17:24.45 | dbmoodb | !depart |
| 17:24.48 | dbmoodb | or nto |
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| 17:24.55 | xsdg | ... |
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| 17:25.12 | petemc | whats wrong with osx? |
| 17:25.14 | xsdg | joti: Personally, I use xfce4 |
| 17:25.34 | joti | @xsdg: xfce's nice - had that on my small notebook |
| 17:25.44 | xsdg | petemc: Focus never works the way I want it to, but that's not really on-topic :o) |
| 17:26.03 | xsdg | petemc: especially now in leopard, spaces doesn't work properly with input focus and it's a mess |
| 17:26.07 | anabain | does avahi daemon need any specific kernel option compiled? |
| 17:26.14 | xsdg | anabain: no |
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| 17:26.27 | petemc | im still using 10.4 , i find it to work well for my needs |
| 17:26.31 | xsdg | anabain: name resolution has nothing to do with the kernel |
| 17:26.39 | joti | @petemc apple made it. feels like it patronizes me |
| 17:26.47 | xsdg | petemc: I can't live without workspaces |
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| 17:27.08 | anabain | then I don't understand why in a 2.6.16 custom kernel it starts and not in a 2.6.23 nor in a 2.6.24, both custom too |
| 17:27.44 | xsdg | anabain: does it give you any error messages? |
| 17:27.49 | joti | linux even has the better screensavers ;-) |
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| 17:28.06 | anabain | xsdg, yes failed or something like that |
| 17:28.30 | xsdg | anabain: that's not really useful |
| 17:28.47 | xsdg | anabain: do you have an actual error message that you can paste somewhere? (like http://rafb.net/paste/) |
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| 17:29.02 | xsdg | anabain: check in /var/log/daemon.log |
| 17:29.05 | anabain | ok |
| 17:29.21 | joti | !bot help |
| 17:30.12 | joti | !dpkg |
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| 17:30.17 | anabain | xsdg, Dec 24 15:22:53 diotima avahi-daemon[3418]: Got SIGTERM, quitting. |
| 17:30.18 | anabain | Dec 24 15:22:53 diotima avahi-daemon[3418]: Leaving mDNS multicast group on interface eth0.IPv4 |
| 17:30.18 | anabain | with address 192.168.1.2.Dec 24 15:22:53 diotima avahi-daemon[3418]: Got SIGTERM, quitting. |
| 17:30.18 | anabain | Dec 24 15:22:53 diotima avahi-daemon[3418]: Leaving mDNS multicast group on interface eth0.IPv4 |
| 17:30.18 | anabain | with address 192.168.1.2. |
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| 17:30.20 | jeremy_c | What would cause my laptop to be erradically unresponsive to the keyboard and mouse? The system load is zero. |
| 17:30.20 | joti | hm. bot don' |
| 17:30.42 | joti | 't like me |
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| 17:30.50 | anabain | excuse me |
| 17:30.57 | xsdg | anabain: as I said, use rafb.net/paste or somewhere like that |
| 17:30.59 | jeremy_c | And sometimes it doubles up on keystrokes |
| 17:31.03 | anabain | it was only two lines |
| 17:31.18 | anabain | but when selecting and pasting it doubles info... |
| 17:31.25 | joti | !kde-trouble |
| 17:31.26 | xsdg | anabain: that looks like a normal shutdown |
| 17:31.39 | anabain | xsdg, at booting? |
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| 17:32.02 | xsdg | anabain: well, something is killing it (note "Got SIGTERM") |
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| 17:32.18 | teclo- | hello, I get this: lenny Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY 07DC563D1F41B907 ... and I did what dpkg told me about 2006 key.... |
| 17:33.02 | rrva | I want to run ubuntu packages on top of a etch system. I am considering virtualization, user-mode linux or similar or chroot. I want best possible performance. What do you recommend? |
| 17:33.05 | anabain | xsdg, no, I think you're right, the message is this: cap_set_proc() failed: Operation not permitted |
| 17:33.38 | xsdg | anabain: ok, is there anything around that? |
| 17:34.05 | xsdg | anabain: also, does your new kernel (or did your old kernel) do weird things with permissions (like use SELinux, GRSEC, or something like that?) |
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| 17:35.06 | anabain | 1st question: no, 2nd, I don't know exactly, but I think they doesn't |
| 17:35.18 | anabain | (they don't) |
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| 17:35.44 | bravvve | i'v download asterisk-1.4.16.2,how can i install it? |
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| 17:36.44 | xsdg | anabain: does avahi-daemon have some option to give more verbose error messages? |
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| 17:37.58 | ronsonol | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:38.07 | joti | anyone tried to run mysql 4&5 in paralell? |
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| 17:38.32 | jeremy_c | occasional. Seems to be related in timing to, say the wireless nic looking for a connection. |
| 17:38.53 | ronsonol | Sounds like an interrupts issue. |
| 17:39.32 | anabain | xsdg, perhaps the problem has to be with rlimits..., I'm checking man avahi-daemon |
| 17:40.13 | xsdg | anabain: maybe; avahi-daemon runs as root, but then tries to drop priviledges (that is, it uses priviledge separation) |
| 17:40.16 | anabain | I put a libpam-modules from ubuntu in my debian sid in order to have user permission to start jackd, the sound server |
| 17:40.35 | xsdg | anabain: that seems related |
| 17:40.51 | xsdg | anabain: if you reinstall debian's libpam-modules, does it start working again? |
| 17:41.00 | anabain | I'll check |
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| 17:41.57 | ronsonol | Has anyone installed dillo_0.8.5-4.1_i386.deb to find that it'll run under root, but doesn't render pages under user accounts? Obviously a permissions issue, but I don't know to what. |
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| 17:44.50 | Daveman | gumbybrain: be anubis |
| 17:45.00 | Daveman | :O |
| 17:45.37 | joti | duh |
| 17:46.10 | xsdg | heh, that's not good :o) |
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| 17:47.21 | joti | it ain't but that *@~#! still keeps my biz data |
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| 17:47.46 | joti | and moving to tinyerp is not even started since it looks mighty complex |
| 17:48.05 | kickback | why would i need this udp 0 0 localhost:921 *:* |
| 17:48.19 | kickback | is that sunrpc |
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| 17:48.56 | eth01 | how do i update something dpkg says when you do !aol for instance? |
| 17:49.55 | eth01 | ping |
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| 17:50.16 | xsdg | eth01: huh? |
| 17:50.34 | xsdg | kickback: grep 921 /etc/services |
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| 17:50.46 | soczol | i guess he's talking about the bot, not dpkg itself |
| 17:50.47 | xsdg | anabain: wb |
| 17:50.47 | joti | duuuh |
| 17:50.55 | eth01 | yes, the bot. |
| 17:51.02 | anabain | xsdg, it does not work after reinstalling sid package |
| 17:51.04 | eth01 | how can i change the entry for which AOL is given? |
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| 17:51.05 | jeremy_c | ronsonol: any idea how to go about fixing it? |
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| 17:51.47 | xsdg | anabain: hmm... but it worked under 2.6.16 with ubuntu's libpam? |
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| 17:52.20 | anabain | Yes, I think so. |
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| 17:52.47 | anabain | and now I can't connect to jackd as user with realtime settings |
| 17:52.54 | xsdg | anabain: I think this is beyond me, then (I'm not too familiar with how the kernel interacts with security, especially now that different security models are being used |
| 17:53.14 | xsdg | anabain: you may want to ask in #kernelnewbies on irc.oftc.net |
| 17:53.30 | anabain | ok, xsdg, perhaps it's something related with a compiling option... |
| 17:54.27 | mbroeker | on debian, my cdroms are mounted under /media/cdromX and i want to change it to /mnt/cdrom cdrw and so on. Can i do this safely? |
| 17:54.50 | ronsonol | jeremy_c, I expect there's a parameter to be adjusted, but with reference to the wireless, I'm not sure what it is. Recognizing it as an interrupt issue will help ask the right question tho'. |
| 17:54.50 | xsdg | mbroeker: edit /etc/fstab |
| 17:55.11 | mbroeker | xsdg, ok will do. |
| 17:55.24 | jeremy_c | ronsonol: thanks. I'll do some googling for the answer now that I have a better idea. |
| 17:55.52 | joti | i love, some guy takes his software out of certified oss licenses and now whines that he cannot use gpl'ed mysql and therefor current mysql versions... |
| 17:55.53 | joti | duuuh |
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| 17:56.14 | joti | well then he should not have taken it out of gpl at first place... |
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| 17:57.59 | anabain | xsdg, when uninstalling libpem-modules I get a warning about /etc/security not being removed because it is not empty |
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| 17:58.27 | eDk | buenas |
| 17:58.29 | rhs_ | merry xmas |
| 17:58.29 | xsdg | anabain: that's fine |
| 17:58.36 | xsdg | eDk: buenas |
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| 17:58.47 | xsdg | anabain: if you want, feel free to look at what's in there |
| 17:58.51 | anabain | it contains an /etc/security/opasswd empty file (0 bytes long) |
| 17:59.16 | anabain | xsdg, do you speak spanish? |
| 17:59.37 | xsdg | anabain: yes |
| 17:59.50 | kickback | im running vsftpd with ssl i try to connect with ftp-ssl and i get error "bind: address already in use" whats with that |
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| 18:00.15 | anabain | are you spanish, xsdg? |
| 18:00.32 | anabain | xsdg, may I remove this empty file manually? |
| 18:00.44 | xsdg | anabain: no (and yes, removing the file should be ok) |
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| 18:00.57 | anabain | ok |
| 18:00.59 | xsdg | anabain: soy estadounidense |
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| 18:01.09 | kickback | any vsftpd folks here :) |
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| 18:02.39 | zrin | my aptitude on etch crashes with SIGSEGV, dselect says "Dynamic MMap ran out of room, Error occurred while processing vim (NewVersion1). Problem with MergeList /var/lib/apt/lists/security.debian.org_dists_etch_updates_main_binary-amd64_Packages, The package lists or status file could not be parsed or opened." |
| 18:02.55 | zrin | apt-get clean |
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| 18:03.51 | mbroeker | brb |
| 18:04.18 | tokyoeye | kickback, is this a client or server issue? did you check what ports are in use? e.g. netstat -nlp |
| 18:04.50 | kickback | tokyoeye, server issue |
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| 18:05.14 | rhs_ | i need my etch machine to boot directly into a user account |
| 18:05.37 | rhs_ | no login, no passwd |
| 18:05.49 | tokyoeye | could you check what's listening on 989 and 990? i believe these are the ftps ports |
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| 18:07.27 | ronsonol | Got a laptop with a touchy fingerslide mouse input located below the space bar. Real annoying, wrist action gradually creeps the pointer into the editor and knocks me onto another line while typing. I'd kinda like to sent the mouse a sigstop as soon as I open the editor and sigcont when I close.. |
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| 18:07.50 | dob1 | hi, there are some repository for skype 2 beta? |
| 18:08.12 | valdyn | dob1: www.skype.com |
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| 18:08.51 | valdyn | dob1: ^^ that's all there is, if its not there, it does not exist |
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| 18:10.22 | grazz | liquid tension experiment |
| 18:10.27 | grazz | what a nice band |
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| 18:11.54 | zrin | solution for this aptitude SIGSEGV was to increase apt cache size ... |
| 18:12.00 | zrin | merry christmas |
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| 18:13.31 | hdevalence | I'm using ubuntu but I want to change to debian because it's more challenging and I want to learn more. Do you have any general advice? |
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| 18:14.46 | malakhi | ronsonol: take a look at the ksynaptics/gsynaptics packages. They have options to disable the touchpad while typing. |
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| 18:14.57 | el_isma | Hi. I want to execute a command on every boot. Where should I add it? |
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| 18:15.48 | xsdg | hdevalence: advice in what sense? |
| 18:15.54 | tokyoeye | hdevalence, if you are willing to learn and install some time do a minimal install and apt-get from there. it will probably learn you something about linux and apt-get. apart from that: just install whatever you like. |
| 18:16.18 | dryrot | el_isma: something like http://www.megalinux.net/archives/468.html ? |
| 18:16.22 | bjk | anyone good with shell programming (bash)? i have a util that reads commands from stdin but process data for a specified fd. i need the data fd to read from a command, like: echo something | prog --fd=3 3<(another command), but 3<() isn't working correctly. |
| 18:17.36 | el_isma | dryrot: exactly like that, thank you :) |
| 18:17.41 | Chile` | hdevalence: switching from ubuntu to debian isn't necessarily the best way to learn more about linux. it's a great way to learn about debian, but if you stick to packages and install a desktop manager, debian will go up vanilla, and you'll never have to edit a config file at all |
| 18:17.51 | Chile` | hdevalence: it really depends what your goal is |
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| 18:19.00 | lhadji | hdevalence, got a spare old computer lying around? install debian on that baby and let it serve ubuntu |
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| 18:21.33 | hdevalence | I'd like to have a nice KDE desktop, but then be able to change things and find out how stuff works |
| 18:22.31 | hdevalence | and I'd like to start programming |
| 18:22.41 | Chile` | ok, those are two seperate things |
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| 18:23.01 | Chile` | traditional c++/java programming is absolutely independent of what distribution you're running. |
| 18:23.08 | sophacles | hdevalence: both those things are doable with pretty much any flavor of linux |
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| 18:23.50 | sophacles | i use kde, but have a tendancy to do all my networking stuff the "by hand" cuz i just dont get the guis :) |
| 18:24.21 | Chile` | my advice, if you really want to learn more about how your system works, would be to run a BSD for a while. they hold your hand a lot less, and they're quite different from linux. it's a great way to learn all the unixy things, to learn how to start editing config files, etc |
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| 18:24.37 | Chile` | after an install and a week or so of playing, you'll figure out that BSD is a big hassle |
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| 18:25.14 | Chile` | then you install debian, figure out what's different about it (this is the most valuable part), install KDE, and by that time have some idea of why everything is the way it is |
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| 18:25.47 | tab | hey, i have debian on my master hard drive and windows xp on my slave. how can i configure grub to boot up the slave drive? |
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| 18:27.45 | stew | tab: ask #grub |
| 18:27.55 | tab | stew i did |
| 18:28.14 | benjamindees | has anyone else seen a problem with kde apps taking forever to launch in Etch? |
| 18:28.24 | lhadji | tab - http://wiki.linuxquestions.org/wiki/GRUB |
| 18:28.32 | lhadji | :) answer is there |
| 18:29.31 | tab | lhadji: i tried that already |
| 18:29.36 | tab | it still didnt boot |
| 18:29.47 | PerfDave | benjamindees: I haven't. #debian-kde might help, as might launching them from a command-line and seeing what gets dumped out? |
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| 18:30.01 | hdevalence | Also, I was going to be using testing because etch doesn't like my network card. Is there a way to install KDE 4 packages from experimental so I can report bugs etc? |
| 18:30.08 | tab | can i make windows master and linux slave |
| 18:30.13 | tab | will grub still load on teh slave? |
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| 18:30.39 | eth01 | you configure which one. |
| 18:31.11 | PerfDave | hdevalence: You probably want to backport them. I'm not sure whether anybody will take bug reports from backported packages seriously though - ask #debian-kde for the best way you can contribute. |
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| 18:36.45 | Chile` | hdevalence: you can also try installing KDE from source, without packages. that'll certainly help you learn what makes up a KDE system. |
| 18:37.00 | Chile` | though it can get messy |
| 18:37.02 | stew | hdevalence: i would not recommend installing kde from source |
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| 18:37.35 | PerfDave | The best way to learn about how a *NIX system works is with something like LFS. Everything else has multiple layers of abstraction. |
| 18:38.28 | Chile` | it's too easy with LFS/DFS to just follow a recipe and be there, though. my greatest leaps in understanding came from making a huge mess of my system & getting myself out of it. |
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| 18:38.41 | PerfDave | Chile`: Oh, in that case, install Gentoo ;) |
| 18:38.44 | Chile` | and installing KDE from source is one of those endeavors. |
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| 18:39.10 | Chile` | PerfDave: I have, several times. the guide makes it absolutely trivial. |
| 18:39.14 | Chile` | just long. |
| 18:39.25 | PerfDave | Chile`: Right up until it doesn't work and you can't fix it :) |
| 18:39.29 | scibot | Could someone under ia32 and with libwine-dev please build http://gna.intuxication.org/warzone/development/rpl2avi.tar.gz for me and pass me the binary? I can't do it under amd64. |
| 18:39.46 | PerfDave | scibot: Why can't you do it yourself? |
| 18:39.53 | Chile` | PerfDave: never had a problem. I also didn't leave it on very long. |
| 18:39.57 | Chile` | scibot: you can cross compile. |
| 18:40.08 | PerfDave | CCFLAGS="-m32" or something |
| 18:40.34 | scibot | I tried, it didn't work. |
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| 18:40.40 | Chile` | define didn't work |
| 18:40.42 | PerfDave | scibot: What do you mean "didn't work"? |
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| 18:40.55 | unknow990 | Merry Xmas! |
| 18:41.08 | PerfDave | Chile`: I installed Gentoo. Emerged vim. Waited overnight for it to download and compile. emerge gave no errors, but the binary segfaulted every time I ran it. I asked #gentoo for help and got told to "STFU and go back to Windows, noob". So I stuck to my FreeBSD and Debian systems. |
| 18:41.29 | scibot | PerfDave, Regardless of -m32 "ld: Relocatable linking with relocations from format elf32-i386 (/usr/lib/wine/libwinecrt0.a(exe_entry.o)) to format elf64-x86-64 (rpl2avi.miwJu6.o) is not supported" |
| 18:41.32 | Chile` | PerfDave: interesting. didn't have any experience like that. it was all vanilla for me. |
| 18:41.33 | unknow990 | is there anybody that can help me with this problem? please look here http://paste.debian.net/45508 |
| 18:41.54 | Chile` | PerfDave: though it still bugs me that freebsd's vim port wants to download every single patch sequentially, and can never seem to find the first couple ftp sites |
| 18:42.03 | scibot | PerfDave, It uses winegcc. |
| 18:42.10 | PerfDave | scibot: Then it's not that it doesn't work, it's that you're doing it wrong. Unfortunately, I don't have a 64-bit machine handy to check. |
| 18:42.39 | PerfDave | scibot: Perhaps #wine could help here? |
| 18:42.58 | scibot | Back to what I was asking originally then, would anyone running i386 please build it for me? |
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| 18:43.22 | PerfDave | unknow990: Why are you installing RT yourself rather than using Debian's packages? |
| 18:44.02 | scibot | PerfDave, It would require a cross-compile setup and i'd prefer if I didn't have to when it'd take a couple of minutes for someone else to do it for me. |
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| 18:44.35 | PerfDave | scibot: And a couple of minutes more next time someone else needed to do it, and a couple more if their cross-compile doesn't work on your system with its weird compiler... |
| 18:45.15 | scibot | It's not exactly a popular program. |
| 18:45.35 | scibot | and I'll upload the binary on my server for everyone if that'd make you happy. |
| 18:45.46 | unknow990 | PerfDave, I will test newest one. |
| 18:45.56 | unknow990 | But it is working perfect on mysql |
| 18:47.11 | debianforlife | ok, i compiled it, how do i get it to you now? |
| 18:47.26 | scibot | debianforlife, Email if you can, scibotic@gmail.com |
| 18:47.41 | PerfDave | scibot: I wouldn't encourage anyone to download random binarys off the Internet and run them ;0 |
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| 18:48.15 | scibot | debianforlife, Thanks. =) |
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| 18:49.01 | debianforlife | i will put it on my web server, just a sec |
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| 18:50.00 | debianforlife | scibotyou can get it here, but im not leaving it there long plist.net/random/rpl2avi.tar.bz2 |
| 18:50.28 | scibot | Got it. =D |
| 18:50.29 | PerfDave | unknow990: If you're not using Debian's RT packages, you probably want to ask #rt on irc.perl.org |
| 18:50.56 | PerfDave | (or use Debian's RT packages, they're very nice) |
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| 18:51.04 | scibot | Thanks debianforlife. |
| 18:51.35 | debianforlife | your welcome |
| 18:52.09 | rxKaffee | when doing an `apt-get source`, is it possible to have the .config produced that was used to build the package's binary? |
| 18:52.32 | rxKaffee | or do all config options have to be set anew? |
| 18:52.52 | PerfDave | rxKaffee: Are you by any chance looking at kernel packages? |
| 18:53.03 | rxKaffee | PerfDave: nope |
| 18:53.51 | PerfDave | rxKaffee: When you "apt-get source" something, you need to look in debian/rules and debian/config for the build options. |
| 18:54.44 | rxKaffee | PerfDave: seems all the debian/config-* have "# Automatically generated make config: don't edit" |
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| 18:54.58 | PerfDave | rxKaffee: See http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/maint-guide/ch-build.en.html for details |
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| 18:56.46 | unknow990 | Thanks, PerfDave |
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| 18:57.21 | HolyAvenger | Dumb question: How do I change a folder's name via terminal? |
| 18:57.26 | PerfDave | HolyAvenger: mv |
| 18:57.45 | HolyAvenger | mv foldersname newname? |
| 18:58.10 | PerfDave | HolyAvenger: man mv :) |
| 18:58.12 | PerfDave | HolyAvenger: http://people.debian.org/~debacle/refcard/refcard-en-a4.pdf |
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| 18:59.03 | hdevalence | Will a decss deb made for medibuntu work in debian? |
| 18:59.26 | PerfDave | hdevalence: Maybe, probably not, if it breaks you get to keep both parts. |
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| 18:59.46 | mypapit | ??? |
| 18:59.55 | PerfDave | hdevalence: Could it be that you want http://www.debian-multimedia.org/ for potentially illegal, patent-encumbered software? :) |
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| 19:00.43 | el_isma | How do I submit a patch to a package? |
| 19:00.46 | HolyAvenger | Ok, wrong move. I have an hidden folder (.folder) and I want to change it's name to "folder" so that I see it |
| 19:00.50 | HolyAvenger | I'm using xfce4 |
| 19:00.52 | PerfDave | el_isma: In the BTS. |
| 19:00.57 | valdyn | el_isma: apt-cache show reportbug, or just run that |
| 19:00.59 | HolyAvenger | and I thought it was faster via terminal =p |
| 19:01.01 | Ronin | HolyAvenger: mv .folder name target name |
| 19:01.36 | HolyAvenger | oh |
| 19:01.37 | valdyn | !folder |
| 19:01.37 | dpkg | folder is a directory damn it! near My Computer and Network Neighborhood... or the things you put in a filing cabinet. IMAP protocol's mailboxes. |
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| 19:01.43 | HolyAvenger | it wasnt me doing it wrong... completely |
| 19:01.46 | HolyAvenger | I was using caps =p |
| 19:01.48 | hdevalence | PerfDave: excellent. |
| 19:01.53 | Ronin | heh |
| 19:02.26 | debianforlife | i disabled caps for that reason... |
| 19:02.33 | debianforlife | well caps lock |
| 19:02.49 | enouf | PerfDave: maybe dpkg-source might be of use to rxKaffee (not sure) |
| 19:03.52 | rxKaffee | are the debian/config-* files in a format that is compatible with traditional .config files? |
| 19:04.53 | debianforlife | I have a rather annoying problem, IÂ have 2 nvidia graphic cards, and 2 screens with Xinerama enabled. GLÂ will only work on one of the screens. What is with this? |
| 19:04.58 | valdyn | rxKaffee: what is "traditional" .config files? |
| 19:05.05 | valdyn | rxKaffee: you are talking about kernel configuration? |
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| 19:05.34 | Politics101 | Great Youtube Video, this guy should run for president himself!!: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UZAqZUafCdM |
| 19:05.34 | rxKaffee | tring to tweak some busybox-static options, and it seems a bit overwelming to have to edit by hand the long list of options in the debian/config-* when the busybox normalyl has a nice menuconfig provided by its makefile |
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| 19:05.51 | Ronin | and that has what to do with debian Politics101 ? |
| 19:07.43 | xand | probably as much to do with the other channels he just pasted it in |
| 19:08.04 | Ronin | most likely xand |
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| 19:08.49 | el_isma | reportbug is quite easy to use :) |
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| 19:09.06 | PerfDave | rxKaffee: the debian/* files are not just about building busybox, they're about building a complete Debian package. So yes, they are a bit more complicated than a normal config file. The guide I pointed you at should help. |
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| 19:09.45 | QQmelo | hello |
| 19:09.58 | QQmelo | anyone here knows any web based msn ? |
| 19:10.05 | QQmelo | for install in my own server? |
| 19:10.12 | markw | msn? |
| 19:10.22 | wols | markw: MS IM |
| 19:10.27 | debianforlife | QQmelo: you could always use meebo.com |
| 19:10.34 | PerfDave | QQmelo: You want to install something on your own web server that will let you use MSN messenger? |
| 19:10.46 | markw | QQmelo: look at jabber. |
| 19:10.50 | QQmelo | Maakuth |
| 19:10.55 | QQmelo | markw |
| 19:10.59 | QQmelo | yes, i see jabber |
| 19:11.13 | QQmelo | but , i don't want install transport for jabber |
| 19:11.32 | QQmelo | i would like any how qmsn |
| 19:11.32 | PerfDave | Free your friends from MSN! :) |
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| 19:13.31 | debianforlife | does anyone know a good guide to help me get qmail working? |
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| 19:13.50 | PerfDave | debianforlife: Why are you using qmail out of interest? |
| 19:14.10 | debianforlife | its secure and fast |
| 19:14.23 | PerfDave | debianforlife: What's wrong with exim4? |
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| 19:14.53 | dondelelcaro | unless you're using a heavily patched version of qmail, there's a problem. |
| 19:15.05 | Ronin | debianforlife: look for shupp qmailtoaster |
| 19:15.30 | bonez44 | are there any drivers for a linksys wpc54gr wireless card, for debian? |
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| 19:16.00 | dondelelcaro | bonez44: it depends which linksys wireless card that actually is. |
| 19:16.13 | dondelelcaro | (linksys likes to keep the same model number with entirely different chipsets) |
| 19:16.15 | debianforlife | ill check shupp qmailtoaster out |
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| 19:16.46 | bonez44 | well, dondelelcaro , it's the linksys model wpc54gr....THAT'S the model number clearly appearing on the label... |
| 19:16.50 | PerfDave | bonez44: A quick google suggests that you have to use ndiswrapper, so there are no Linux drivers. |
| 19:16.56 | bonez44 | ok.... |
| 19:17.09 | Ronin | debianforlife: theres also http://qmail.jms1.net/ along with life with qmail, both excellent and recommanded reading |
| 19:17.15 | PerfDave | bonez44: Which version of Debian are you using? |
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| 19:17.28 | debianforlife | thanks |
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| 19:17.38 | bonez44 | PerfDave: 2.6.18....that's what I just installed on that laptop |
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| 19:17.58 | PerfDave | bonez44: No, which version of Debian, not which version of the Linux kernel :) |
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| 19:18.13 | bonez44 | PerfDave: if I need to, I'll plug it into a wired connection...to get apt-get updated....and find the ndis stuff I need... |
| 19:18.41 | bonez44 | PerfDave: etch |
| 19:18.48 | PerfDave | Hmm, apparently some wpc54gr devices have ralink chipsets, which *are* supported in Debian using the rt2x00-source package. But as dondelelcaro says, if you don't know what chipset it's using, it's hard to say. |
| 19:18.57 | PerfDave | bonez44: Is it a PCI or USB device? |
| 19:19.02 | bonez44 | 4.0 r1 Etch |
| 19:19.17 | bonez44 | the card is pcmica.... |
| 19:19.27 | wols | bonez44: lspcmcia |
| 19:19.32 | PerfDave | Bah, you have to go for the awkward option ;) |
| 19:19.34 | bonez44 | I try to run lspci on it and lspci isnt' installed, I guess |
| 19:19.36 | PerfDave | wols: coo, does that exist? :) |
| 19:19.38 | PerfDave | !installit |
| 19:19.38 | dpkg | *** NEWS FLASH! *** Your box does not come with every app, tool and utility known to debiankind installed already. If you find that the program you've been told to use isn't there, install it. Also ask me about <search>. if someone suggests an application to you, it's highly likely that it's available via apt-get, or aptitude |
| 19:19.39 | wols | and lspci (some pcmcia cards show up as pci devices) |
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| 19:21.07 | rxKaffee | valdyn: by "traditional" I mean the format that is recgonized by the programs source's make menuconfig, there are a few hundred many options it seems to edit these debian/config-* files by hand for busybox |
| 19:21.14 | bonez44 | ok, lspcmcia lists Socket 0 Bridge: [yetna_cardbus] (bus ID: 0000:00:0A.0) |
| 19:21.27 | rxKaffee | PerfDave: I could not find anything from that url(even back-nav'n to contents) about debian/configure-* |
| 19:21.27 | dondelelcaro | bonez44: there should be another line |
| 19:21.48 | dondelelcaro | (since that's just the pcmcia bus) |
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| 19:21.54 | bonez44 | dondelelcaro: the next line is : CardBus card -- see "lspci" for more information |
| 19:22.07 | rxKaffee | PerfDave: wether it be how to modify or generate the program's compile time configure options... could you point me to a specific section perhaps that deals with config? |
| 19:22.10 | dondelelcaro | bonez44: ok, then lspci it is. |
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| 19:22.16 | Politics101 | Great Youtube Video, this guy should run for president himself!!: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UZAqZUafCdM |
| 19:22.23 | PerfDave | !ops Politics101 spam |
| 19:22.23 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: perfdave complains about: Politics101 spam |
| 19:22.24 | spal | which is the recommended way of install nvidia graphics driver for AMD64 bit Lenny aptitude: aptitude install or http://us.download.nvidia.com/XFree86/Linux-x86_64/169.07/NVIDIA-Linux-x86_64-169.07-pkg2.run? |
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| 19:22.38 | mne | hi guys. merry xmas everybody. how do i use WPA under debian ? i read that wpa_supplicant is no longer supported. it would be great if you guys could provide me with a link. the best thing would be if there is some command line tool that i can use to configure wpa keys |
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| 19:23.05 | dondelelcaro | mne: wpasupplicant is still there. |
| 19:23.42 | mne | dondelelcaro, it's there, but it seems to have been replaced in debian etch/sid |
| 19:23.48 | XoX | why isnt there agetty in debian |
| 19:23.53 | bonez44 | dondelelcaro: AH, but I invoke 'lspci' at the prompt and it reports "command not found" |
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| 19:24.18 | mne | dondek, so you suggest that i use wpa_supplicant ? i have never used it. i guess it's a CLI tool to set up a wpa session, right ? |
| 19:24.40 | PerfDave | rxKaffee: http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/maint-guide/ch-dreq.en.html#s-rules seems to be what you want. |
| 19:24.52 | mne | dondelelcaro, i'm refering to this link here: http://wiki.debian.org/WPA |
| 19:24.57 | PerfDave | mne: I'm running wpa_supplicant in Etch right now. |
| 19:25.19 | wols | !tell spal about nvidia_post_etch |
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| 19:25.56 | mne | PerfDave, cool. I'll install it and have a look. |
| 19:26.13 | gener1c | anybody here ever did open source mixes or djing or something like that? |
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| 19:26.38 | bonez44 | dondelelcaro: since I can't connect to the net, to install lspci on this laptop...I guess my option is to plug it into a wired connection and get it upgraded that way, right? hopefully getting all the ndiswrapper tools, drivers and such? |
| 19:26.59 | PerfDave | bonez44: You don't necessarily need (or want) ndiswrapper. |
| 19:27.13 | bonez44 | PerfDave: I am listening.... |
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| 19:27.16 | PerfDave | mne: All that wiki entry says is that wpasupplicant no longer runs as a daemon. |
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| 19:27.31 | bonez44 | PerfDave: what then? clearly I need to connect the machine so I can get what I am lacking for it to work |
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| 19:27.57 | mne | PerfDave, ah, ok, i guess i misunderstood that |
| 19:27.58 | PerfDave | bonez44: We are trying to get you to run lspci, so you can see what chipset your "linksys wpc54gr" device actually uses, so you can see what drivers or other software you have to install. |
| 19:28.02 | wols | bonez44: you need to find out what chip it uses first and then use the approriate driver. and you want to stay away from ndiswrapper as good as possible |
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| 19:28.36 | PerfDave | bonez44: If you have to use a wired connection to install lspci, then go for it :) |
| 19:29.00 | rxKaffee | base etch doesn't come with lspci? |
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| 19:29.04 | bonez44 | ok... |
| 19:29.18 | aarcane | Hi, in X, QT rendering is causing X to hit 100% CPU usage, but openGL rendering is fine. what's wrong? |
| 19:29.18 | Firestarter | what is wrong with ndiswrapper? |
| 19:29.22 | PerfDave | rxKaffee: Base Etch does, businesscard / whatever may not. |
| 19:29.31 | rxKaffee | bonez44: can you find your card in the /proc/bus/pci listings? |
| 19:29.31 | aarcane | I'm using an nvidia card. |
| 19:29.44 | PerfDave | Firestarter: ndiswrapper is a way of bodging proprietary Windows DLLs into your Linux kernel. It's a hideous hack. |
| 19:30.20 | Firestarter | ahhh |
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| 19:31.13 | PerfDave | It's also not supported by anybody sane, so if it doesn't work you're pretty much stuffed. |
| 19:31.25 | Firestarter | PerfDave: what is the best way to determin what chipset a wireless card uses? |
| 19:31.28 | PerfDave | And it taints your kernel :) |
| 19:31.50 | PerfDave | Firestarter: Buy it from http://linuxemporium.co.uk/products/wireless/ :) |
| 19:32.21 | Firestarter | mine is built into my dell laptop unfourtunately |
| 19:32.44 | rxKaffee | bah... the rules file does some undecipherable magick to turn the ./debian/config-$(1) into $(DIR)/.config :( |
| 19:32.51 | PerfDave | Firestarter: tuxmobil.org might be able to help. |
| 19:32.59 | Firestarter | cool thanks |
| 19:33.25 | PerfDave | But really, free wifi in Linux is still sadly lacking. |
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| 19:34.29 | wols | PerfDave: and it won't (ever) change anymore |
| 19:34.43 | rxKaffee | PerfDave: can that rules file call interactive commands? there's a make oldconfig in it that I could change to a make menuconfig to get my desired results I believe |
| 19:34.59 | Firestarter | yeah last time I played around with wifi in the kernel withought ndiswrapper I didn't have any luck |
| 19:35.00 | PerfDave | rxKaffee: Dunno, ask #debian-devel |
| 19:35.03 | spal | wols: there is no such package: nvidia-kernel-source. shouldn't it be nvidia-kernel-common in the dpkg-bot message? |
| 19:35.42 | xsdg | spal: no |
| 19:36.12 | xsdg | spal: I have nvidia-kernel-source available; are you sure you don't? |
| 19:36.15 | spal | xsdg: let me check once again |
| 19:36.23 | wols | spal: there are no nvidia drivers in lenny |
| 19:36.40 | xsdg | PerfDave: what card does it have? |
| 19:36.51 | xsdg | PerfDave: I have a T43 and it works fine with ipw2200 |
| 19:36.53 | spal | wols: wasn't the dpkg message you sent me was for post-etch? |
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| 19:37.46 | PerfDave | xsdg: It has an IBM-branded Atheros card. Hence the madwifi. |
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| 19:38.08 | PerfDave | Bah, looks like there aren't any ath5k packages in Debian that I can backport. |
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| 19:38.23 | wols | spal: it was, doesn't mean there is an nvidia driver in lenny. but since it's TESTING and you are an experienced debian user as ALL testing users, you know what to do |
| 19:38.39 | spacix | How come openoffice.org renders .pdf files made on other systems barely, or extreme worse? |
| 19:38.41 | Cr3ature | hey |
| 19:38.45 | xsdg | PerfDave: aah, Atheros :o/ |
| 19:38.46 | Cr3ature | whats a good image viewer |
| 19:38.50 | Cr3ature | something light |
| 19:38.52 | xsdg | Cr3ature: I like gqview |
| 19:39.07 | xsdg | Cr3ature: if you want "as light as can be," try imagemagick's `display` :o) |
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| 19:39.18 | spal | wols: ok |
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| 19:41.32 | Zeug | how do i rip a copy-protected cd in grip? |
| 19:41.55 | PerfDave | "copy-protected"? |
| 19:42.03 | wols | #debian rarely if ever helps breaking the law Zeug |
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| 19:42.24 | pipeline | Zeug: cdparanoia mode |
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| 19:42.27 | alexIdoia | hi there |
| 19:42.29 | pipeline | wols: no lawbreaking mentioned |
| 19:42.34 | PerfDave | wols: You're assuming that "breaking" copy "protection" is illegal where Zeug is? |
| 19:42.40 | pipeline | wols: the most common use case for ripping a CD would in fact NOT be illegal :P |
| 19:42.56 | Zeug | well it shows up as a bunch of 10-second tracks |
| 19:43.17 | pipeline | Zeug: that doesn't sound like "copy protection" |
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| 19:43.24 | wols | pipeline: circumventing a copy prortection and especially telling others about how to do it is very much illegal thanks to the DMCA |
| 19:43.27 | Zeug | theres a sticker on the cd that says its copy protected |
| 19:43.36 | wols | pipeline: so if you live in the US or EU, it is illegal |
| 19:43.43 | pipeline | Zeug: that's not like anything I've ever heard of. |
| 19:43.53 | Zeug | its a cd from germany |
| 19:43.54 | alexIdoia | I have a strange broken dependency, it says firefox: Depends: iceweasel (< 2.0.0.6-0etch1+lenny1.1~) but 2.0.0.8-1 is to be installed, altough dpkg -l | grep iceweasel returns ii iceweasel 2.0.0.8-1 |
| 19:44.09 | PerfDave | alexIdoia: Which version of Debian are you running? |
| 19:44.15 | alexIdoia | PerfDave: testing |
| 19:44.19 | Zeug | this is pretty stupid though, the main reason i buy cds is so i can rip the higher quality tracks to my computer as flac |
| 19:44.27 | PerfDave | alexIdoia: Did you check the BTS? |
| 19:44.31 | PerfDave | Zeug: Take it back to the store. |
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| 19:44.41 | PerfDave | Zeug: Get a refund, it doesn't work. |
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| 19:44.49 | alexIdoia | PerfDave Bug tracker ? |
| 19:44.50 | Zeug | can't, i bought it online |
| 19:45.08 | pipeline | Zeug: could just be a multisession CD |
| 19:45.10 | PerfDave | Zeug: OK, send it back to the store. |
| 19:45.12 | Zeug | well there's probably some way to rip it |
| 19:45.16 | pipeline | Zeug: are you sure you're reading the right session on the disc? |
| 19:45.18 | PerfDave | Zeug: Then contact the publishers and the artists and tell them that they lost a sale because of their "copy protection" bullshit. |
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| 19:45.26 | Firestarter | too bad this laptop don't have bluetooth |
| 19:45.37 | PerfDave | alexIdoia: bugs.debian.org - *always* check there first before asking on #debian. |
| 19:45.43 | Zeug | pipeline, maybe this is one of those cds with multitple TOCs |
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| 19:45.59 | Firestarter | it seems to be such a handy feature |
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| 19:46.18 | PerfDave | I've never found a use for bluetooth other than extracting pictures from my shitty phonecam. |
| 19:47.03 | Firestarter | when away I use my cell phone internet connection via cable wonder how it would be with bluetooth |
| 19:47.10 | pipeline | Zeug: yeah, multisession disc. |
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| 19:47.36 | PerfDave | Firestarter: Ah, my phone just makes phone calls. And takes photos. It doesn't do any of that newfangled Internet stuff. |
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| 19:47.44 | marc0s | hi |
| 19:47.48 | Zeug | well, i'll just try it in a cd-rw drive later |
| 19:47.59 | alexIdoia | PerfDave: nothing relevant in the BTS |
| 19:48.04 | PerfDave | alexIdoia: report it then. |
| 19:48.07 | alexIdoia | can I use a --force-yes ? |
| 19:48.33 | Zeug | its probably a multisession disk, as theres no compact disc digital audio label on the disc |
| 19:48.46 | pipeline | Zeug: there's no CDDA label because it doesn't comply with any standard :P |
| 19:48.56 | marc0s | I'm having some troubles with a debian installation via debootstrap, it's not booting after installing kernel and grub, it just loads an initrd shell... some ideas? |
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| 19:49.21 | Firestarter | PerfDave: got a Nokia e62 works pretty good. I can do most internet stuff withought connecting the laptop but a bit annoying when using for a long time. |
| 19:49.32 | Zeug | luckly copy protected cds are pretty rare |
| 19:49.37 | Zeug | this is the first time ive encountered one |
| 19:49.50 | Zeug | copy protected audio cds, that is |
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| 19:52.34 | Vasistha | so, is there a guide to tweaking the initrd fs? I made an attempt, but the initrd image seems to be no good :P |
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| 19:53.29 | wols | tweak how? |
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| 20:02.42 | PerfDave | Cool, just setting up the hdaps stuff for my Thinkpad, my laptop can tell when it's tilting! |
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| 20:06.57 | Vasistha | PerfDave: nice -- I just bought a t42 and have been thinking about setting that up sometime |
| 20:08.00 | Vasistha | wols: I installed debian on a usb flash drive, with encrypted lvm root; however it is trying to mount root before the flash drive has been registered as /dev/sda |
| 20:08.14 | Vasistha | http://paste.debian.net/45491 |
| 20:08.34 | PerfDave | Vasistha: Unfortunately, hdapsd isn't packaged for Etch, I'm going to have to backport it to get the actual drive-dropping protection. |
| 20:09.01 | Vasistha | PerfDave: yay for simple sid backports? :) |
| 20:09.28 | PerfDave | Vasistha: Meh, they're not that simple. |
| 20:09.42 | Vasistha | difficult sid backports :| |
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| 20:12.09 | Marbug | I added a file in /etc/cron.d how can I make that file so it will do the same as /etc/crontab ? |
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| 20:13.24 | selam | hi all |
| 20:13.26 | PerfDave | Marbug: "do the same as"? |
| 20:13.35 | Marbug | yes |
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| 20:13.57 | Marbug | I have putted some lines in it that needs to be executed at specifice timeperiodes |
| 20:14.11 | Marbug | and you can slo put them in /etc/crontab |
| 20:14.19 | Marbug | but I made a new file |
| 20:14.29 | Marbug | and I want that file does the same as crontab |
| 20:14.31 | Vasistha | wols: my solution was to add a little waiting script to '/init' : while ! [ -b /dev/sda ]; do sleep 1; done ... but I think I must have gzipped the initrd wrong, or something, because it's crashing |
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| 20:14.50 | [nix] | How do I hide the menubar? |
| 20:14.53 | selam | i have problem with my keyboard, my keyboard lights is not open (allwasy close) on kde, but on console works fine |
| 20:15.14 | selam | how can i fix this |
| 20:15.30 | [nix] | in nautilus |
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| 20:16.42 | mbroeker | selam, there is an option for it in kcontrol->Connected Devices->Keyboard |
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| 20:17.13 | null | Hello, using nmap on debian I get this error |
| 20:17.15 | null | pcap_open_live(eth1, 104, 0, 20) FAILED. Reported error: socket: Address family not supported by protocol. Will wait 5 seconds then retry. |
| 20:17.18 | null | any idea? |
| 20:17.44 | selam | mbroeker: i'll try, thanks for answer, now i should relogin on kde ;) |
| 20:18.01 | mbroeker | null, your kernel lacks support for the required protocol? |
| 20:18.47 | null | mbroeker: wich lack? is a default kernel from etch |
| 20:19.00 | mbroeker | sorry, not the protocol. |
| 20:19.12 | mbroeker | it must be sock_packet or similar |
| 20:19.31 | PerfDave | null: What is your nmap command? |
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| 20:20.16 | null | nmap debian.org -p 80 |
| 20:20.18 | mbroeker | null, try a modprobe af_packet |
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| 20:20.33 | null | ah, thanks |
| 20:21.56 | hdevalence | How do I tell the installer to do guided partitioning with encryption without using the enitre disk? (ie using the largest contiguous free space |
| 20:22.02 | null | mbroeker: it works, thanks :) |
| 20:22.20 | Vasistha | hdevalence: probably by doing it manually rather than guided :P |
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| 20:23.44 | hdevalence | Vasistha: could you point me towards a manual on how to do that? |
| 20:23.47 | jetscreamer | i've seen a 'use largest contiguous freespace' option iirc |
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| 20:24.53 | grazz | ^[neshe]^ is spamming |
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| 20:25.32 | jetscreamer | preface that with !ops , grazz |
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| 20:25.46 | Enron | Anyone know or have a script to mail when apache stops |
| 20:25.46 | hdevalence | if I go to create a new partition on a free space and choose guided, it doesn't give me options for encryption |
| 20:26.10 | jetscreamer | o |
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| 20:26.37 | Vasistha | hdevalence: unfortunately I don't know of one, nor do I know how to do it :P |
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| 20:27.02 | mbroeker | Enron, when it accidently stopps or on proper usage? |
| 20:27.07 | Vasistha | Enron: you want a script that will send you an email in the case the apache stops? |
| 20:27.09 | jetscreamer | you might ask in #apache or look around on apache.org |
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| 20:32.52 | Vasistha | perhaps there is a kernel param that I can pass to indicate that the root fs exists on /dev/sda, and that needs to be registered before attempting to mount the root fs |
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| 20:33.38 | jetscreamer | use root=UUID=insertuuidnumber here, in fstab and in menu.lst, Vasistha |
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| 20:34.38 | jetscreamer | UUID=ea04f818-555b-42f4-99dd-cc59f6e250b8 / jfs defaults,errors=remount-ro 0 1 |
| 20:34.49 | jetscreamer | it's root=UUID= in menu.lst |
| 20:34.51 | Vasistha | jetscreamer: well... I already have root=/dev/mapper/lvm-whatever |
| 20:35.01 | jetscreamer | oh no idea about lvm |
| 20:35.16 | simonrvn | Vasistha, that's good |
| 20:35.34 | Vasistha | jetscreamer: can I have more than one 'root=' param in menu.lst ? I wouldn't expect so... but hey, I don't know :) |
| 20:35.47 | Vasistha | heh, later |
| 20:35.53 | jetscreamer | no dont think so |
| 20:36.37 | Vasistha | hmm, that idea is seeming less plausible now ... I'm back to thinking I need to do something special with initrd. |
| 20:36.52 | simonrvn | see you jetscreamer |
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| 20:38.58 | joti | some dumb question: what is the point in refering to mounts via uuid? |
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| 20:39.14 | joti | lvm? |
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| 20:39.51 | Vasistha | joti: well, if you like to move your disks around from one ide cable to another, or if you're running scsi disks and need to attach/detach them sometimes, it can be very useful |
| 20:40.02 | Enron | Vasistha yes I need a script that will do a ps every couple of min and mail when apache2 is no longer in the list |
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| 20:40.28 | Vasistha | Enron: check out 'wait' ... help wait |
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| 20:41.12 | Vasistha | Enron: erm ... or perhaps not -- that only works for child processes of the same shell :P |
| 20:41.12 | tab | ugh i need help with this never ending problem, this is what i did to install debian: took the windows drive out of my computer put in a blank drive in which installed debian on. I then put back the windows drive as master and the debian as slave. when i boot, my system boots right into windows without going through grub |
| 20:41.26 | tab | can anyone fix this? |
| 20:41.33 | Vasistha | tab: yeah, that's not so bad at all. |
| 20:41.45 | Vasistha | tab: you have a problem probably with your root line in grub, and in your /etc/fstab |
| 20:41.59 | tab | ok |
| 20:42.10 | tab | so grub can load even if its on the slave drive? |
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| 20:42.29 | Vasistha | tab: you'll need to boot from a live cd or rescue cd to fix /etc/fstab ... oh, and you are not getting a grub menu anymore, huh? |
| 20:42.35 | Guerin | grub cares not for any such disctinction |
| 20:42.41 | Guerin | or for spelling |
| 20:42.43 | joti | @vasistha thanks, god point - then how is the uuid assigned to mount? |
| 20:42.46 | ravenbird | joti: I think you lost me on that one |
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| 20:42.48 | joti | good |
| 20:43.08 | tab | Vasistha: no |
| 20:43.16 | Guerin | joti: don't use @ |
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| 20:43.24 | PerfDave | tab: Your BIOS will boot the MBR from your master drive, you need to install grub to the MBR of the master drive. |
| 20:43.48 | tab | can grub be located in the mbr of windows? |
| 20:43.50 | joti | guerin ok, notifications works without too? |
| 20:43.54 | tab | can it be installed there? |
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| 20:44.08 | Vasistha | tab: ah, then you will need to use a live cd or rescue cd to install grub onto your mbr of the primary drive. Don't worry, grub can boot windows. Honestly, you would have saved yourself a hassle by simply installing debian with both drives in your computer the way they are ... but we can solve this problem, it's not too difficult |
| 20:44.09 | Guerin | joti: we mostly have non-shit irc clients here, yes |
| 20:44.17 | PerfDave | tab: grub can be installed in the MBR of a hard drive which *also* has Windows installed on it, yes. |
| 20:44.42 | Vasistha | joti: I have my notification set up as a regex that catches misspellings of my handle as well ;) |
| 20:44.49 | joti | yaay |
| 20:44.58 | tab | i tried to make windows slave and debian master but then grub coundt be configured to boot windows |
| 20:44.59 | joti | good&free clients for windows anyone? |
| 20:45.11 | Vasistha | joti: I think people like mirc |
| 20:45.12 | tab | i even tried the map thing but nothing worked |
| 20:45.23 | Guerin | joti: xchat, if you can find a non-evil build |
| 20:45.30 | Guerin | otherwise it's chatzilla |
| 20:45.31 | joti | vasistha but it ain't free |
| 20:45.38 | PerfDave | http://www.silverex.org/news/ is free |
| 20:45.42 | Guerin | mirc is fucking *awful* |
| 20:45.48 | joti | hm. what makes them xchat builds evil? |
| 20:45.54 | Vasistha | tab: ah, you must not have tried hard enough :) anyway, let us get your system booting properly. So -- when you turn on your computer, it just loads windows, without giving you a grub menu, right? |
| 20:46.14 | PerfDave | joti: Some xchat builds for windows are not free, they use some proprietary license. I think the one I linked to is GPL. |
| 20:46.15 | Guerin | joti: the author is a fuckwit, and decided his windows builds would be payware |
| 20:46.23 | tab | yes, would it be easier/safer to just switch windows to slave and debian to master and the configure grub? |
| 20:46.23 | Vasistha | I think I tried mirc once on a buddy's computer when I needed something, and it really was awful. |
| 20:46.35 | Guerin | tab: not really. |
| 20:46.45 | joti | yaay. funny idea to make windows stuff payware...lol |
| 20:46.49 | Guerin | tab: windows hates being on a slave drive |
| 20:46.57 | Vasistha | tab: uhm ... I'd say it's better to let windows be on the master drive, because windows will be happier that way |
| 20:47.14 | Guerin | joti: happily, the code itself is free, and anyone can just excise the stupid bits and rerelease it |
| 20:47.17 | joti | like one would not need still need windows for at least some things |
| 20:47.23 | Vasistha | tab: we can get you fixed up with your present configuration if you'll stop asking questions and start following instructions ;) |
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| 20:47.28 | Guerin | so xchat is canon reference for Free Software Working As Intended |
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| 20:48.48 | PerfDave | Guerin: But surely GPL builds of Xchat for Windows just encourage people to use Windows, which can't be a good thing ;) |
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| 20:49.26 | Guerin | PerfDave: a little bit of good with your evil is a nice refresher |
| 20:49.35 | Vasistha | PerfDave: I dunno about that ... if people use one piece free software, then sometimes they get more interested in free software |
| 20:49.43 | xbaez | MerryChristmas ! |
| 20:49.52 | mavhk | PerfDave: makes it easier to switch, once everything you use is Free except windows it's easier to switch |
| 20:50.00 | joti | PerfDave yeah, good point though - although i still found no decent online banking program for linux |
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| 20:50.03 | Guerin | Vasistha, mavhk: see RMS's own arguments on this matter. |
| 20:50.15 | mavhk | url? |
| 20:50.28 | Guerin | joti: what is this `online banking' program of which you speak? |
| 20:50.44 | Dark_Apostrophe | Hello |
| 20:50.52 | Dark_Apostrophe | Can anyone please help me compile wine with fonts? |
| 20:51.00 | Vasistha | Dark_Apostrophe: ask #wine |
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| 20:51.06 | PerfDave | joti: My OLB works nicely with Konqueror :) |
| 20:51.07 | Guerin | joti: that's an example of something I'd never ever use from a third-party. only use the one released by your bank. |
| 20:51.08 | Dark_Apostrophe | Vasistha: Been there, done that |
| 20:51.09 | simonrvn | #winehq actually |
| 20:51.14 | Dark_Apostrophe | Vasistha: They can't figure it out |
| 20:51.36 | Guerin | mavhk: gnu.org |
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| 20:51.43 | Dark_Apostrophe | The problem is that configure asks for freetype devs, yet can't seem to find them, despite the fact that they're installed |
| 20:52.01 | Vasistha | tab: although ... come to think of it ... rather than fooling with live cd's, since you don't mind swapping master/slave connections, it may be easiest to get you set up by temporarily making the debian drive the master, and booting into it, and from your debian system making the necessary changes |
| 20:52.11 | Dark_Apostrophe | I tried symlinking /usr/include/freetype2/freetype to /usr/include/freetype but it didn't help either |
| 20:52.21 | xingu | more to the point, if there's win32 bsd/lgpl/gpl code available it sets the bar for quality of protocol implementation |
| 20:52.25 | Dark_Apostrophe | Can anyone please give me a hand? |
| 20:52.40 | Guerin | xingu: that's much of Stallman's point, yes. |
| 20:52.51 | PerfDave | Guerin: You trust your bank more than I do :) |
| 20:52.51 | catsup | anyone know in vim how to paste (like with "p") but leave the cursor at the end of the inserted text? |
| 20:53.05 | Guerin | PerfDave: my wife works for it :) |
| 20:53.18 | PerfDave | Guerin: You trust your wife more than I do ;) |
| 20:53.29 | Guerin | PerfDave: it's because I know where she lives. |
| 20:53.36 | joti | Guerin: Some HBCI program like star money |
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| 20:53.47 | joti | acutally i'ld to have one client server |
| 20:53.56 | joti | but i'ld need to create that myself |
| 20:54.01 | Chile` | Dark_Apostrophe: fiddle around with the -I and -L flags, if all else fails. its not magic. |
| 20:54.14 | PerfDave | Guerin: So do I... |
| 20:54.24 | Dark_Apostrophe | Chile`: How do I do so? I'm not quite as savvy as the average #debian participent |
| 20:54.29 | Vasistha | PerfDave: well, you trust them enough to give them your money |
| 20:55.14 | PerfDave | Vasistha: Yes, but not to run a decent online banking service :) |
| 20:55.33 | PerfDave | Anyway, going to watch a DVD with my girlfriend, BBL |
| 20:55.35 | catsup | tab: you don't need to mess with hardware to do what you're apparently trying to do |
| 20:55.43 | Chile` | Dark_Apostrophe: read about CFLAGS/CPPFLAGS/LDFLAGS |
| 20:55.48 | LimCore | I want to install a linux on hard drive, then customize it, then give to a friend; Except its not a hard drive but a 1 GB usb key; I need gui email client with pgp; office tools (.odt .pdf) mplayer, web browser; jabber client. prefferably tor. is debian good here? |
| 20:55.59 | Chile` | Dark_Apostrophe: you can either set the env variables, or pass options to ./configure |
| 20:55.59 | Dark_Apostrophe | Chile`: Where? :/ |
| 20:56.01 | Vasistha | catsup: did you ask #vim ? |
| 20:56.04 | catsup | LimCore: yes |
| 20:56.04 | LimCore | (by customize I mean simply configure it) |
| 20:56.12 | catsup | Vasistha: no |
| 20:56.25 | LimCore | catsup: just 1 GB totall -> so around 600 mb for software to install... what will fit? |
| 20:56.26 | Dark_Apostrophe | Chile`: I run ./configure --help, but it doesn't show an option for setting freetype dev dir' |
| 20:56.40 | LimCore | I seen debian installed on 2 gb.. on 1.2 gb.. but just like 800 mb? |
| 20:56.46 | PerfDave | LimCore: there are existing GNU/Linux USB key distros, but you can also install Debian on a USB key. I don't see why Debian would be bad, assuming you know what you're doing. |
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| 20:56.51 | Chile` | Dark_Apostrophe: look at what path the files want, & add an appropriate path. |
| 20:56.58 | catsup | LimCore: debian base install is very small |
| 20:57.10 | Chile` | Dark_Apostrophe: it doesn't need to be the freetype path, just an include path |
| 20:57.18 | Dark_Apostrophe | Chile`: I tried, I spend 20 minutes trying to decipher where configure is looking |
| 20:57.23 | LimCore | catsup: will open office + all libs + deps fit? |
| 20:57.27 | Dark_Apostrophe | But I just don't understand the stuff |
| 20:57.40 | catsup | LimCore: i would be shocked otherwise although i can't say positively |
| 20:57.47 | Chile` | Dark_Apostrophe: ./configure --help outlines it. |
| 20:57.51 | tab | Vasistha: what are the neccesary changes i have to make |
| 20:57.56 | Dark_Apostrophe | Chile`: No, it doesn't |
| 20:57.56 | catsup | LimCore: a whole kde or gnome suite is pushing it though |
| 20:58.02 | Dark_Apostrophe | Chile`: It doesn't mention freetype at all |
| 20:58.07 | LimCore | how to install debian to a USB? |
| 20:58.13 | LimCore | from within ubunt |
| 20:58.22 | LimCore | use qemu? |
| 20:58.24 | catsup | use debootstrap |
| 20:58.24 | Chile` | Dark_Apostrophe: it doesn't need to. that's my point. just add the bloody include & lib directories it wants. |
| 20:58.27 | Dark_Apostrophe | Chile`: And like I said, I'm not a pro, so I don't understand a lot of it... |
| 20:58.42 | LimCore | catsup: any howto? hmm do you know how to? |
| 20:58.51 | Chile` | Dark_Apostrophe: ./configure --help tells you about LDFLAGS, CPPFLAGS, --includedir, and --libdir |
| 20:59.08 | Vasistha | tab: alright, I'll list them out for you. You need to run grub-install in order to install grub onto the MBR of the windows drive; you need to change the root line in menu.lst to hd1 instead of hd0 and you need to update your /etc/fstab to use /dev/hdb instead of /dev/hda |
| 20:59.13 | catsup | LimCore: the debian installation guide documents debootstrap iirc |
| 20:59.50 | Chile` | Dark_Apostrophe: you're basically replacing what libtool does for you, because apparently libtool isn't getting it right (which suggests bigger problems, but this is a way to get it to build) |
| 20:59.54 | Dark_Apostrophe | so something like ./configure -l freetype /usr/include/freetype2/freetype |
| 20:59.55 | Dark_Apostrophe | ? |
| 21:00.05 | Chile` | no. did you even read? |
| 21:00.07 | Vasistha | LimCore: if you are within ubuntu I would recommend using an install cd, because I don't know how well ubuntu's debootstrap is going to work. |
| 21:00.24 | Dark_Apostrophe | Chile`: Yes, but I just don't get it... :( |
| 21:00.24 | LimCore | how to install ubuntu like system to USB key, from within running (hard drive) ubutnu? But to usb key I want to install ubutntu 32 bit (or debian), while I run 64 bit ubuntu |
| 21:00.40 | LimCore | Vasistha: so perhaps qemu then? I dont want to reboot etc |
| 21:01.08 | Chile` | Dark_Apostrophe: a) first, you need to figure out the path it wants. go look at a source file, and see what path the freetype headers have. your goal is to make that work. |
| 21:01.10 | catsup | LimCore: you don't need qemu. download debian's debootstrap if ubuntu doesn't have debootstrap, and use that |
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| 21:01.11 | Vasistha | LimCore: okay, now you are asking about installing ubuntu, instead of installing debian. We cannot help you with that. Ask #ubuntu |
| 21:01.33 | Chile` | Dark_Apostrophe: b) choose to use either --includedir/--libdir OR CPPFLAGS and LDFLAGS |
| 21:02.00 | Dark_Apostrophe | Chile`: Okay... I'll try... Sorry, I'm not as experienced with this stuff as you |
| 21:02.23 | Chile` | Dark_Apostrophe: no worries. the goal is to get you to learn how to figure stuff out on your own, though. |
| 21:02.25 | tab | you know what Vasistha im just going to install debian again |
| 21:02.43 | Vasistha | tab: heh, that's pretty silly :) but it only takes 20 minutes |
| 21:02.46 | catsup | tab: you can install grub from XP |
| 21:02.58 | tab | when you go through the installer will it give you the option to install grub to another drive's mbr? |
| 21:03.13 | tab | so that im installing debian on the slave but grub on my windows master drive |
| 21:03.19 | Dark_Apostrophe | Chile`: So what do I look at? Any random source file? |
| 21:03.21 | catsup | tab: http://www.geocities.com/lode_leroy/grubinstall/ |
| 21:03.28 | Chile` | Dark_Apostrophe: you can grep for freetype |
| 21:03.33 | Vasistha | tab: when it asks you if it should install grub in the mbr, it will install it in the mbr of the master drive. but seriously -- check out that link to install grub from xp. |
| 21:03.56 | tab | i would rather do it the right way and not risk anything |
| 21:03.58 | Vasistha | tab: is your irc client here on the computer you need to do this stuff on, or do you have two computers so you can chat while working? |
| 21:04.10 | tab | i mean i just installed debian so its not a big deal |
| 21:04.18 | Chile` | Dark_Apostrophe: grep -R freetype *.cpp in src/, or something like that. |
| 21:04.25 | Dark_Apostrophe | Chile`: I don't know how to use grep, apart from for example cat file | grep string |
| 21:04.25 | tab | i gtg thanks guys |
| 21:04.43 | Vasistha | tab: well, suit yourself. This stuff isn't rocket science, and going through the steps would probably be a good exercise for you in learning about linux and grub |
| 21:05.08 | Chile` | Dark_Apostrophe: I just gave you an example. man grep for more information |
| 21:05.13 | Dark_Apostrophe | ok... |
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| 21:05.27 | tab | thanks |
| 21:05.31 | Chile` | you'll probably want to pipe that to less, though.. it'll hit a lot of files |
| 21:05.45 | tab | i just dont have the time i have to wrap gifts for xmas lol |
| 21:05.51 | Chile` | you could do another grep for the include, I suppose. |
| 21:05.53 | tab | and i need this workinh |
| 21:05.58 | tab | *working |
| 21:06.01 | tab | later |
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| 21:07.35 | Dark_Apostrophe | Chile`: Wherever I look, I get no results... |
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| 21:11.08 | Chile` | Dark_Apostrophe: alright, looks like freetype isn't actually the header name. so you need to dig around a little bit more. |
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| 21:11.31 | Claudio32m | when someone has a static IP address on the internet, is it normal to still have your own 192.168.x.x internal ip address for that computer on the LAN? |
| 21:11.41 | Dark_Apostrophe | Chile`: When I was looking through configure, I saw several references to "ftlibs" |
| 21:12.15 | Guerin | Claudio32m: yes, if you have an internal interface, you MUST have an internal ip on that interface |
| 21:12.22 | Claudio32m | Guerin thanks |
| 21:12.46 | Claudio32m | internal interface meaning a NIC? |
| 21:12.50 | Guerin | yes |
| 21:12.53 | Claudio32m | cool |
| 21:12.55 | Guerin | generally speaking |
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| 21:14.32 | Chile` | Dark_Apostrophe: alright. how did you install freetype? |
| 21:14.55 | Dark_Apostrophe | Chile`: Both via apt and source |
| 21:15.06 | Chile` | which package from apt? |
| 21:15.11 | Dark_Apostrophe | Chile`: I tried making it work with apt first, then when that failed, I tried compiling it myself |
| 21:15.15 | Dark_Apostrophe | libfreetype6-dev |
| 21:15.27 | Dark_Apostrophe | I think |
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| 21:16.47 | Chile` | Dark_Apostrophe: ok, try this in src/: grep -R -e "include.*ft.*" * |
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| 21:17.33 | Dark_Apostrophe | Chile`: There is no src/ |
| 21:17.42 | Chile` | what are you trying to compile again? |
| 21:17.45 | Dark_Apostrophe | Chile`: Wine's sources are scattered across dozens of directories |
| 21:17.53 | Chile` | oh. just do that from the root directory. |
| 21:17.53 | Dark_Apostrophe | Wine 0.9.51 |
| 21:17.57 | Dark_Apostrophe | 'ok |
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| 21:18.20 | valdyn | Dark_Apostrophe: why dont you try "apt-get build-dep libfreetype6" for instance |
| 21:18.59 | valdyn | Dark_Apostrophe: ( for whatever you are trying to build ) |
| 21:19.01 | Dark_Apostrophe | ok, running that now |
| 21:19.08 | Dark_Apostrophe | valdyn: I'm trying to build wine |
| 21:19.19 | valdyn | Dark_Apostrophe: so apt-get build-dep wine |
| 21:19.29 | Chile` | Dark_Apostrophe: are you sure the deb source package won't do freetype? |
| 21:20.08 | valdyn | libwine depends on freetype |
| 21:20.13 | Dark_Apostrophe | Not the deb source package |
| 21:20.21 | Dark_Apostrophe | I'm trying to compile wine from vanilla sources |
| 21:20.33 | Dark_Apostrophe | The version of wine in sid is outdated |
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| 21:20.52 | valdyn | Dark_Apostrophe: there's a deb at winehq.com, packaged differently than debians wine |
| 21:21.00 | wols | Dark_Apostrophe: you can try the winehq version? |
| 21:21.10 | simonrvn | yeh, and currently they're the same version more or less |
| 21:21.17 | valdyn | Dark_Apostrophe: just need to make sure that all wine packages are removed first |
| 21:21.20 | tux3948 | IS DEBIAN CUTTING EDGE WITH ALL THE LASTEST SOFTWARE |
| 21:21.24 | Dark_Apostrophe | valdyn: Oh? I thought they just had x86 debs |
| 21:21.25 | simonrvn | debian's was actually newer this time |
| 21:21.28 | valdyn | tux3948: no |
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| 21:21.41 | wols | tux3948: debian has working caps lock key: debian's can be turned off! |
| 21:21.45 | simonrvn | tux3948, cut it with the all caps, plskthx |
| 21:21.46 | Guerin | tux3948: YES IN FACT IT HAS LOTS OF SOFTWARE WHICH HASN' EVEN BEEN WRITTEN YET |
| 21:21.47 | Dark_Apostrophe | valdyn: I'm on amd64 |
| 21:21.51 | Chile` | Dark_Apostrophe: looks like they have x86 & x64 |
| 21:21.52 | valdyn | Dark_Apostrophe: nah, they have both |
| 21:21.54 | tux3948 | ok bye |
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| 21:21.56 | Dark_Apostrophe | ok |
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| 21:22.01 | xsdg | wols: that was nice :o) |
| 21:22.04 | Guerin | !win #debian |
| 21:22.04 | dpkg | Congratulations, #debian! You have won a one way ticket to Charlotte, North Carolina ... YeeHaw!! |
| 21:22.05 | wols | Guerin: you have a bright future ahead of you in marketing |
| 21:22.30 | simonrvn | !slap wols |
| 21:22.33 | simonrvn | :P |
| 21:22.33 | Guerin | wols: funny you should say that ... I know a guy wants to start a PR firm with me in it |
| 21:22.34 | Dark_Apostrophe | Gar, even their archives are outdated: http://wine.budgetdedicated.com/archive/index.html |
| 21:22.42 | Dark_Apostrophe | The up to date packages are for ubuntu |
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| 21:22.50 | Dark_Apostrophe | The outdated ones are for etch... |
| 21:22.59 | valdyn | funny how the demand for latest is reverse proportional to having a clue |
| 21:23.00 | wols | have you told him that advertising lost causes and terrorism doesn't in bring the big bucks? |
| 21:23.02 | Vasistha | damn, how the hell does this initrd work :( |
| 21:23.11 | simonrvn | valdyn, usually |
| 21:23.17 | valdyn | simonrvn: yea |
| 21:23.30 | Chile` | simonrvn: the ones with a clue don't ask on irc ;) |
| 21:23.34 | Vasistha | wols: I'm not sure that you're right about that anyway ... I think some people are making some major big bucks from terrorism scares |
| 21:23.36 | Dark_Apostrophe | valdyn: I have a good reason for wanting the latest version |
| 21:23.38 | simonrvn | Vasistha, usually it's taking a walk or something |
| 21:23.52 | Dark_Apostrophe | valdyn: Steam chokes while loading in the Sid version of Wine |
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| 21:24.02 | Guerin | Dark_Apostrophe: hhaha |
| 21:24.04 | simonrvn | no big loss ;) |
| 21:24.07 | wols | Vasistha: not the ones advertising it or labeled terrorist tho. onyl the ones pretending to fight it |
| 21:24.11 | Dark_Apostrophe | valdyn: And #winehq refuse to help until I somehow, magically, am able to update wine. |
| 21:24.17 | valdyn | Dark_Apostrophe: its alright. |
| 21:24.33 | Guerin | Dark_Apostrophe: you're trying to run shitty proprietary spyware, and are shocked it doesn't work? |
| 21:24.43 | Dark_Apostrophe | Guerin: Also, I *hate* all things Steam and CS, but my gf insisted I buy CS to play against her... |
| 21:24.53 | Guerin | Dark_Apostrophe: so install windows |
| 21:24.57 | Dark_Apostrophe | Ick. |
| 21:25.09 | Guerin | Dark_Apostrophe: say to her `look, baby, this is how far I go for you ...' |
| 21:25.40 | Dark_Apostrophe | Guerin: Sorry, I already bought the damned thing. |
| 21:25.55 | Guerin | don't see how that changes things |
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| 21:26.08 | Dark_Apostrophe | Guerin: Well, I already told her I bought it.. |
| 21:26.19 | Guerin | don't see how that changes things either |
| 21:26.28 | Dark_Apostrophe | ... |
| 21:26.33 | Chile` | Dark_Apostrophe: anyway, did build-dep work? |
| 21:26.39 | Guerin | you just have to install windows and all will be happy |
| 21:26.44 | Dark_Apostrophe | Chile`: Good question, forgot to check if it works now... |
| 21:26.45 | Chile` | Dark_Apostrophe: and did you run my grep line? |
| 21:26.48 | Guerin | <heh> |
| 21:26.56 | Dark_Apostrophe | Chile`: Yes, I did |
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| 21:27.08 | Chile` | and did it come up with anything? |
| 21:27.16 | Dark_Apostrophe | Quite a bit, actually |
| 21:27.19 | Dark_Apostrophe | Let me pastebin it |
| 21:28.03 | Dark_Apostrophe | http://pastebin.ca/831355 |
| 21:28.04 | Dark_Apostrophe | There |
| 21:28.33 | Chile` | ok |
| 21:28.52 | Chile` | so you'll want to set your include path to /usr/include/freetype2/freetype |
| 21:29.09 | Dark_Apostrophe | Ok |
| 21:29.09 | wols | why not just install the freetype dev package? |
| 21:29.35 | Dark_Apostrophe | I did... |
| 21:29.42 | Chile` | wols: he did. the configure script isn't finding it, & it seemed easier at first just to lead him through setting CPPFLAGS |
| 21:29.42 | Dark_Apostrophe | That was the first thing I tried |
| 21:30.18 | Chile` | Dark_Apostrophe: add --includedir=/usr/include/freetype2/freetype |
| 21:30.27 | Dark_Apostrophe | I just did that |
| 21:30.30 | Dark_Apostrophe | Didn't help |
| 21:30.34 | Chile` | what's the exact error? |
| 21:30.47 | Dark_Apostrophe | configure: WARNING: FreeType development files not found. |
| 21:30.47 | Dark_Apostrophe | Fonts will not be built. Dialog text may be invisible or unaligned. |
| 21:32.28 | Chile` | dunno then. without looking at the actual source, I don't have any immediate advice, & I'm heading out pretty soon |
| 21:32.48 | xsdg | Dark_Apostrophe: look at configure.log |
| 21:33.10 | xsdg | Dark_Apostrophe: it should tell you what it's trying to include/link against |
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| 21:33.59 | Blue_Mousey | abrotman |
| 21:34.08 | Chile` | Dark_Apostrophe: ah. take off the last freetype in the path, so it's /usr/include/freetype2/ ? |
| 21:34.14 | abrotman | i didn't even say anything .. why am i in trouble? |
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| 21:34.43 | Blue_Mousey | I've decided to use vmware workstation instead... |
| 21:34.51 | Dark_Apostrophe | Chile`: it's n /usr/include/freetype2/freetype |
| 21:34.57 | Dark_Apostrophe | xsdg: http://pastebin.ca/831361 |
| 21:35.12 | abrotman | Blue_Mousey: instead of ? |
| 21:35.17 | abrotman | oh .. VPC2007 |
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| 21:35.59 | Chile` | Dark_Apostrophe: er? i know. try ./configure again with --includedir=/usr/include/freetype2 |
| 21:36.11 | Dark_Apostrophe | ok |
| 21:36.33 | xsdg | Dark_Apostrophe: that's not really the pertinent part of configure.log (it should complain about not being able to compile or something) |
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| 21:36.58 | Dark_Apostrophe | xsdg: I can't upload the whole thing, it's too big for pastebin |
| 21:37.11 | Dark_Apostrophe | xsdg: Mind if I send it to you via DCC? |
| 21:37.13 | Claudio32m | is it important to make "lynx friendly" websites? |
| 21:37.24 | xsdg | Dark_Apostrophe: sure |
| 21:37.40 | xsdg | Claudio32m: yes, because many vision-impaired people will use browsers that are similar |
| 21:37.50 | Claudio32m | so I can't use tables and such? |
| 21:37.55 | Claudio32m | and images |
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| 21:38.13 | SmallR2002 | someone remind me what the command for creating *fake* packages |
| 21:38.16 | xsdg | Claudio32m: oh, that's not what I meant |
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| 21:38.27 | Chile` | Claudio32m: you should be using CSS for organization and presentation. you should also be able to view and navigate the site without the fancy CSS. |
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| 21:38.41 | Claudio32m | so have the option? |
| 21:38.41 | xsdg | Claudio32m: Chile` said what I intended |
| 21:38.43 | Guerin | Chile`: what's important is that they degrade gracefully |
| 21:38.43 | Claudio32m | like 2 versions of it |
| 21:38.48 | Guerin | no |
| 21:39.07 | Dark_Apostrophe | SmallR2002: Hey |
| 21:39.08 | Guerin | one version, which can be interpreted and laid out in multiple ways by different rendering engines |
| 21:39.16 | Chile` | right |
| 21:39.23 | Claudio32m | Hmm will have to look into that |
| 21:39.29 | SmallR2002 | Dark_Apostrophe, hoe! how's things? |
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| 21:39.46 | Dark_Apostrophe | SmallR2002: Trying to make wine compile with fonts...a bloody nightmare. |
| 21:40.02 | Guerin | it's not something you can expect to master easily; the best approach is to make the simplest webpages which meet your needs, and be very conservative in extending themn |
| 21:40.07 | xsdg | Dark_Apostrophe: do you have zlib1g-dev installed? |
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| 21:40.38 | Guerin | Chile`: hm, that above was for Claudio32m |
| 21:40.58 | xsdg | Dark_Apostrophe: it looks like the freetype test is failing because it can't find zlib |
| 21:40.59 | Guerin | SmallR2002: equivs |
| 21:41.07 | Claudio32m | is using tables and images considered basic? |
| 21:41.08 | SmallR2002 | Guerin, <3 |
| 21:41.13 | Chile` | Guerin: I figured :) |
| 21:41.14 | Dark_Apostrophe | xsdg: I just tried to install it, so I'll give it another go |
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| 21:41.18 | SmallR2002 | i've been | | close to remembering |
| 21:41.23 | Chile` | Claudio32m: use tables for formatting information that should be in tables |
| 21:41.36 | Claudio32m | Right. |
| 21:41.37 | f00bar80 | i'm using Debian-sarge , i'm asking how to let a winBox share a adsl internet connection of a linux box ? please direct me to the right place for my question if i'm off-topic |
| 21:41.41 | Chile` | Claudio32m: don't use it for organizing your page. |
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| 21:41.54 | Claudio32m | Ah.. got it.. |
| 21:42.09 | Guerin | f00bar80: aptitude install ipmasq; then on the windows box, set your debian box's internal IP address as the gateway. Done. |
| 21:42.18 | Dark_Apostrophe | xsdg: Still failing |
| 21:42.21 | Chile` | Claudio32m: you can look at CSS Zen Garden's raw HTML & some of their CSS files to get a sense for one approach |
| 21:42.48 | xsdg | Dark_Apostrophe: config.log? :o) |
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| 21:43.03 | Dark_Apostrophe | Want the new one? :) |
| 21:43.06 | xsdg | yeah |
| 21:43.11 | Chile` | alrigt, I'm off. |
| 21:43.14 | f00bar80 | Guerin: sorry more details regarding set my debian box's internal IP address as the gateway ? |
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| 21:43.22 | Chile` | Dark_Apostrophe: good luck |
| 21:43.30 | Dark_Apostrophe | Chile`: Thanks a lot, man :) |
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| 21:44.28 | Guerin | f00bar80: your debian box has two ip addresses - one which connects to the outside world and one which connects to computers in your local network. The latter is your internal ip address. Find it by running `ifconfig'. Then configure your windows machine to use it as a gateway (which is offtopic here, and I can't remember how its laid out in any case) |
| 21:44.35 | xsdg | Dark_Apostrophe: weird |
| 21:44.46 | xsdg | Dark_Apostrophe: it looks like you have 32-bit libz in /usr/lib |
| 21:45.06 | Dark_Apostrophe | Weird... :/ |
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| 21:45.27 | Dark_Apostrophe | xsdg: Which ones, and what do I do about it? |
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| 21:45.45 | f00bar80 | Guerin: i'm asking to make use of IPmasq setting 2 IPs ? |
| 21:45.47 | xsdg | Dark_Apostrophe: what does `file /usr/lib/libz.so.1.2.*` say? |
| 21:45.54 | aFlag | hi, is there a way for me to remove any package from non-free that I might have installed? |
| 21:46.12 | Guerin | f00bar80: you don't have to do anything on the debian box other than install the ipmasq package |
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| 21:46.21 | Dark_Apostrophe | xsdg: /usr/lib/libz.so.1.2.3.3: ELF 64-bit LSB shared object, x86-64, version 1 (SYSV), stripped |
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| 21:46.31 | xsdg | hmm... |
| 21:46.36 | Guerin | aFlag: it's bit tricky. You can run vrms and install those which it complains about. |
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| 21:46.45 | GregorR | I have an emulated ARM system, and the kernel doesn't know how to get to the RTC, so the clock is always wrong. That's fine, I can live with that, but unfortunately my default install constantly wants me to reset the password (I think it's timing out from weird unexpected dates). How do I configure the password timeout? (Debian 4.0) |
| 21:47.03 | aFlag | Guerin, you mean remove the ones it complains about? |
| 21:47.07 | Guerin | aFlag: yeah. |
| 21:47.10 | Vasistha | well, sadly, this is still failing. testload on my custom initrd's works, but ... they fail :( |
| 21:47.20 | xsdg | Dark_Apostrophe: does the symlink /usr/lib/libz.so exist? does it get you to libz.so.1.2.3.3? |
| 21:47.40 | cahoot | GregorR: in /etc/profile maybe |
| 21:47.50 | aFlag | Guerin, but there's no way to identify and remove all the packages from some repository? |
| 21:48.07 | Dark_Apostrophe | xsdg: lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 15 2007-12-22 20:24 libz.so -> libz.so.1.2.3.3 |
| 21:48.17 | Guerin | aFlag: not really easily. I once wrote an unholy kludge to do it, but it was massively wasteful. |
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| 21:48.37 | Guerin | aFlag: you probably have to mung the output of aptitude show or somesuch |
| 21:48.45 | aFlag | hm, I see |
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| 21:48.53 | BeShaMo | does anyone know why I can't telnet to port 1023 from debian? |
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| 21:49.07 | cahoot | GregorR: err /etc/login.defs |
| 21:49.59 | GregorR | cahoot: Aha, that has it! Thanks :) |
| 21:50.17 | GregorR | Apparently 99999 days isn't enough when the date is <1970 X-P |
| 21:50.40 | xsdg | Dark_Apostrophe: does this work for you? |
| 21:50.41 | xsdg | echo 'int main(){return 0;}' | gcc -xc -o foop -lz - |
| 21:50.52 | Guerin | BeShaMo: nothing fundamental prevents you from doing so. |
| 21:51.00 | cahoot | GregorR: wonder if pam is involved |
| 21:51.02 | phogg | aFlag: hang on a minute |
| 21:51.02 | Vasistha | *sigh* I guess I'll have to come back on wednesday. see y'all later |
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| 21:51.45 | Dark_Apostrophe | xsdg: No output |
| 21:51.53 | xsdg | Dark_Apostrophe: ok |
| 21:51.57 | xsdg | weird |
| 21:51.57 | Dark_Apostrophe | xsdg: Where am I supposed to run it, and as root or user? |
| 21:52.03 | Dark_Apostrophe | xsdg: I tried running it in the wine dir... |
| 21:52.17 | xsdg | Dark_Apostrophe: it's just a compilation test, no output means it compiled successfully |
| 21:52.24 | Dark_Apostrophe | ok |
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| 21:53.14 | buluca | gcc version 4.2.3 20071123 (prerelease) (Debian 4.2.2-4) but APT says 4:4.2.1-6. Do you know what does this mean? |
| 21:53.28 | phogg | aFlag: this will at least give you a narrower list to inspect: for pkg in $(dpkg -l '*' | grep ^ii | awk '{print $2}' ) ; do apt-cache policy $pkg | grep -q non-free && echo $pkg ; done |
| 21:53.40 | xsdg | Dark_Apostrophe: echo 'int main(){return 0;}' | gcc -xc -o foop -lz -lfreetype - |
| 21:53.45 | phogg | aFlag: apt-cache policy being the only way I know of off the top of my head to check for non-free |
| 21:53.55 | Guerin | buluca: you can and probably do have multiple versions installed |
| 21:53.57 | xsdg | buluca: your gcc doesn't match your gcc-4.2 version |
| 21:54.09 | xsdg | buluca: that's usually not a problem |
| 21:54.34 | Dark_Apostrophe | xsdg: No output |
| 21:54.55 | xsdg | Dark_Apostrophe: _oh_ |
| 21:54.58 | xsdg | -m32 |
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| 21:55.13 | aFlag | phogg, thanks |
| 21:55.27 | xsdg | Dark_Apostrophe: so, it's trying to compile a 32-bit program, but you don't have the requisite 32-bit libraries |
| 21:55.31 | buluca | xsdg: the latter being sort of a meta-package, yeah, you're right, thanks :) |
| 21:55.31 | Dark_Apostrophe | xsdg: Mind if I paste in a query? |
| 21:55.37 | xsdg | Dark_Apostrophe: sure |
| 21:56.08 | phogg | aFlag: hmm, slightly less unreliable: look at Section from apt-cache show: for pkg in $(dpkg -l '*' | grep ^ii | awk '{print $2}' ) ; do apt-cache show $pkg | grep -q 'Section.*non-free' && echo $pkg ; done |
| 21:56.20 | Appiah | I'm trying to install linux-headers , im using 2.6.12-1-k7 and there is no kernel-headers listed for that |
| 21:56.24 | Appiah | what should I do? |
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| 21:57.11 | Guerin | aFlag: upgrade to a more recent kernel |
| 21:57.15 | Guerin | Appiah: ↑ |
| 21:57.32 | Appiah | so I need to switch kernel >_> |
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| 21:57.59 | Guerin | yes, or find those headers on snapshot.d.n - but that would be unwise, since that kernel is probably very insecure |
| 21:58.15 | Appiah | ohwell |
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| 22:01.22 | spal | is there a package that I must install to enable java plugin in the iceweasel? |
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| 22:03.17 | azeem_ | spal: java-gcj-compat-plugin or (non-free) sun-java5-plugin |
| 22:04.34 | spal | is sun-java5-plugin or sun-java6-plugin not available for lenny in the package repository? I can't find them in the aptitude list. |
| 22:04.50 | azeem_ | spal: did you enable non-free? |
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| 22:05.19 | Appiah | oh my |
| 22:05.31 | spal | azeem_: yes. do you have sun-java5-plugin in your system? yours is etch or lenny? |
| 22:05.36 | azeem_ | lenny |
| 22:06.00 | Appiah | I cant get fuse to work since I need headers, To get headers I need to switch kernel , to switch kernel I need to switch to from unstable |
| 22:06.12 | Appiah | This is fun ;) |
| 22:06.15 | spal | azeem_: deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ lenny main contrib non-free |
| 22:06.33 | azeem_ | maybe it got removed from testing recently |
| 22:06.35 | eth01 | how about you just don't fuck around with the sources.list |
| 22:06.40 | eth01 | that way, you won't have issues |
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| 22:09.46 | tab | hey, i just installed debian on my slave drive while windows xp takes up the master. everything went fine and i installed grub to the MBR of the master drive but whenever i boot up i get the grub error 21 |
| 22:09.58 | tab | and it just stays there |
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| 22:14.57 | dancek | tab, I really don't know anything about that but googling "grub error 21" seems to give a lot of relevant information... in case no one else in here can help you |
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| 22:16.03 | cahoot | tab: this might apply: http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/bug-grub/2003-02/msg00082.html |
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| 22:24.19 | tab | hey, does any one use SLiM? |
| 22:24.42 | cahoot | earlier problem solved now? |
| 22:24.47 | tab | yes |
| 22:25.16 | tab | i had to fix my BIOS to actually recognize the slave drive |
| 22:26.09 | CalJohn | does nfs not do symlinks? |
| 22:27.57 | abrotman | tab: that seems important :) |
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| 22:41.00 | anabain | does anybody know why dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg stops asking questions just after mouse questions? On the other hand, if I specify screen resolutions manually, they are ignored (I'm using sid, alst upgrade, ati free driver) |
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| 22:42.11 | valdyn | anabain: read the /var/log/Xorg.0.log, also as to why the given modes are ignored |
| 22:43.02 | flokuehn | merry christmas to all of you. |
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| 22:43.37 | Anthology | hi, im haiving trouble reinstalling amarok using apt-get. i am reciveing this message: The following packages have unmet dependencies: amarok: Depends: libmp4v2-0 (>= 2.0.0+cvs20040908+mp4v2+bmp) but it is not installable |
| 22:43.41 | Anthology | E: Broken packages |
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| 22:44.13 | Anthology | anyone know how to get around that or install that dependancy? |
| 22:44.36 | valdyn | !sdn |
| 22:44.36 | dpkg | sdn is, like, go to http://snapshot.debian.net to get older packages. Almost every single package since somewhere in 2002 is here. year 2004 is largely lost because of harddisk problems. |
| 22:44.41 | anabain | valdyn, btw, I'm having weird behaviour in X: right-click menus don't work properly, selecting text and pasting yields doubled info, some windows' buttons don't work either... argh! |
| 22:45.03 | Anthology | ill try that valdyn, thanks |
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| 22:46.59 | anabain | valdyn, what should I seek for in the log? For example, I want 1280x960 resolution and there is no line in the log which has "960", although it's a value specified in xorg.conf |
| 22:47.38 | valdyn | anabain: if that mode does not show in the log, there's no modeline for that mode |
| 22:47.55 | valdyn | anabain: and also no such mode detected as being supported by your display |
| 22:47.59 | valdyn | !modeline |
| 22:47.59 | dpkg | you can create custom modelines at http://www.hut.fi/Misc/Electronics/faq/vga2rgb/calc.html, or http://xtiming.sourceforge.net/cgi-bin/xtiming.pl, or apt-get install videogen, or modeline |
| 22:48.32 | valdyn | anabain: available display modes is modelines in xorg.conf + detected modes |
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| 22:49.17 | UbuNero | salve |
| 22:49.18 | valdyn | anabain: + maybe vesa modes, 1280x960 might easily not be there by default. |
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| 22:50.31 | Cr3ature | how do you search for a string in file? |
| 22:50.50 | Cr3ature | i need to find a file that contains "foobar" |
| 22:50.55 | Cr3ature | the contets of the file |
| 22:50.58 | valdyn | Cr3ature: "grep foobar file |
| 22:51.00 | valdyn | Cr3ature: "grep foobar file" |
| 22:51.09 | Cr3ature | what if the file is all files |
| 22:51.13 | anabain | valdyn, do you mean this line in xorg.conf should be recognised by xserver?: |
| 22:51.13 | Cr3ature | recursively from the dir you are |
| 22:51.15 | valdyn | Cr3ature: "grep foobar *" |
| 22:51.21 | valdyn | Cr3ature: "grep -R foobar *" |
| 22:51.28 | anabain | Modes "1280x960" "1200x800" "1152x864" "1024x768" "800x600" "640x480" |
| 22:51.39 | Cr3ature | thanks! |
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| 22:51.58 | valdyn | anabain: s/Modes/Modeline/ |
| 22:52.06 | valdyn | anabain: ops sorry |
| 22:52.30 | valdyn | anabain: each of the modes in that list needs to be found via one of the abovementioned methods |
| 22:53.02 | valdyn | anabain: 800x600 and 640x480 have vesa modes, so those ought to work on any card, 1280x960 is nonstandard, crate a modeline |
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| 22:53.34 | ManuP | i installed 64bit system. i tried to set a 32bit chroot environment up, followed this: http://www.derstappen-it.de/dokumentationen/debian-gnu-linux/32-bit-anwendungen-unter-debian-amd64-laufen-lassen but if i try to start firefox, it fails. |
| 22:54.04 | ManuP | the error tells that it cant open display :0.0 ... but that's the right display. so whats wrong? |
| 22:54.24 | anabain | ok, valdyn. but what is very strange is that this is the first time I have to do it, after upgrading. weird... |
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| 22:54.50 | valdyn | ManuP: specifyiing the display is not enough, the credentials need to be found, that is ~/.Xauthority, you might want to bind mount /home into the chroot |
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| 22:55.28 | valdyn | ManuP: and synchronis /etc/passwd /etc/shadow etc between main system and chroot |
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| 22:55.32 | ManuP | valdyn, i created an extra dir for home-dir. maybe that's the point... |
| 22:56.08 | valdyn | anabain: maybe display detection ( DDc i think ) is not used for whatever reason |
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| 22:56.17 | ManuP | valdyn, hmm.. i wanted the chroot to be "safe" |
| 22:56.18 | valdyn | ManuP: sure is |
| 22:56.24 | valdyn | ManuP: a chroot is never safe |
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| 22:56.29 | valdyn | ManuP: a chroot is NOt for safety |
| 22:56.52 | ManuP | valdyn, so i mount my real home-dir in chroot. and /etc/passwd and /etc/shadow should be the same in chroot? |
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| 22:57.13 | valdyn | ManuP: at the very least the uid/gid need to match |
| 22:58.23 | anabain | btw, valdyn, do you know if failure of avahi-daemon is related to the x problem? |
| 22:58.32 | valdyn | anabain: it is not. |
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| 22:59.17 | anabain | and if properly functioning of avahi-daemon is related to some compiling option in the kernel? |
| 22:59.27 | valdyn | anabain: this is all to vague |
| 22:59.38 | valdyn | anabain: and leads nowhere |
| 22:59.41 | ManuP | valdyn, cool, worked so far that i can start firefox now. |
| 22:59.58 | valdyn | anabain: sure i can compile a kernel without networking support to make running anything network-related impossible |
| 22:59.59 | anabain | I compiled a pair of custom kernels to get realtime features and avahi-daemon does not work. |
| 23:00.02 | hdevalence | Can I go over my partition scheme to make sure it's acceptable before I commit it? |
| 23:00.08 | ManuP | valdyn, but i still can not install flash-plugin. how can i be sure that it is 32-bit yet? |
| 23:00.36 | valdyn | ManuP: are you installing a 32-bit chroot just to use flash? wth |
| 23:01.03 | ManuP | valdyn, oh, lol... it is 64bit... "Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux x86_64; de; ".... |
| 23:01.28 | valdyn | ManuP: flash can run fine in 64-bit debian |
| 23:01.32 | valdyn | !nspluginwrapper |
| 23:01.32 | dpkg | i guess nspluginwrapper is a wrapper allowing you to use 32-bit browser plugins in a native x86_64 browser. It is known to work with Flash and a few others. It is in <contrib> on testing/unstable, while unofficial *stable/Etch* packages are available at http://www.dipconsultants.com/debian/ |
| 23:01.48 | ManuP | valdyn, yes, for flash, adobe acrobat reader, and maybe eclipse... and there might be some other programs i need (which arent available in 64bit) |
| 23:02.02 | ManuP | valdyn, oh, how can flash run in 64bit? |
| 23:02.16 | valdyn | ManuP: read what dpkg said |
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| 23:03.23 | HNT | Hello everybody, is there any way to prevent cups from listening on ipv6 addresse ? (without recompiling it and without removing the ipv6 module from the kernel) |
| 23:03.28 | hdevalence | is 255 MB big enough for /boot? |
| 23:03.46 | timonator | yes definitly |
| 23:03.53 | ManuP | valdyn, okay. will look at it. |
| 23:03.54 | timonator | but 256MB is a much nicer number |
| 23:03.54 | valdyn | hdevalence: usually |
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| 23:04.13 | ManuP | valdyn, but why didnt the chroot work? why did it still start the 64bit firefox? |
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| 23:04.33 | valdyn | ManuP: all i know from your info is that it did not work, that's not something anyone can work with |
| 23:04.36 | valdyn | !tell ManuP -about ask |
| 23:04.47 | valdyn | ManuP: i have to go away though so i cant help anyway. |
| 23:05.15 | ManuP | valdyn, thanks for helping this far. cu |
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| 23:17.34 | ManuP | how do i run adobe acrobat reader on amd64? |
| 23:17.46 | abrotman | it's 32bit only |
| 23:17.58 | abrotman | though evince/xpdf/kpdf are pretty nice |
| 23:18.47 | timonator | xpdf isn't |
| 23:18.50 | ManuP | abrotman, i am not satisfied with evince... |
| 23:18.53 | timonator | it looks ugly |
| 23:18.53 | xsdg | timonator: I like xpdf |
| 23:19.00 | abrotman | timonator: it still reads PDFs |
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| 23:19.04 | xsdg | ManuP: welcome to closed-source software. enjoy your stay! |
| 23:19.06 | abrotman | ManuP: so try the others |
| 23:19.25 | ManuP | abrotman, i tried to run chroot 32bit... i could need some help at this. |
| 23:19.42 | abrotman | i thought the amd64 manual talked about how to do this |
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| 23:19.49 | abrotman | !amd64 |
| 23:19.49 | dpkg | i heard amd64 is See http://www.debian.org/ports/amd64/ and the #debian-amd64 IRC channel, or http://alioth.debian.org/docman/view.php/30192/21/debian-amd64-howto.html, now official, will be a supported arch on Etch, or a generic name. It also supports xeon etc, see http://wiki.debian.org/DebianAMD64Faq. Consider using debian/i386 if you do not have a good reason to use debian/amd64. For flash on amd64, ask me about <nspluginwrapper> |
| 23:20.07 | abrotman | http://alioth.debian.org/docman/view.php/30192/21/debian-amd64-howto.html#id292281 |
| 23:20.28 | ManuP | abrotman, xsdg i realy need the *exact* view AND print of an pdf (for work). evince makes too much errors at this. sorry |
| 23:20.42 | streuner | abrotman: merry christmas |
| 23:20.46 | abrotman | hi streuner! |
| 23:20.51 | abrotman | ManuP: use windows! |
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| 23:21.06 | ManuP | abrotman, no! |
| 23:21.17 | abrotman | ManuP: i just gave you the link for the 32bit chroot .. though i've found evince and xpdf more than adequate |
| 23:21.42 | ManuP | abrotman, i am already reading your link :) |
| 23:22.05 | abrotman | streuner: how's the holiday in your town? |
| 23:22.25 | streuner | abrotman: christmas as always, fucking boring days ;-) |
| 23:22.26 | abrotman | streuner: did you drink all the nog? |
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| 23:23.59 | streuner | not yet |
| 23:24.23 | streuner | started* |
| 23:24.32 | ManuP | abrotman, i have a question... i already did the essential steps (should be able to run programs, didnt try schroot yet). i installed (just for example) firefox. installation inside chroot of course. but when i launch, it is the 64bit version. whats wrong? |
| 23:25.38 | xsdg | ManuP: is firefox already running elsewhere? |
| 23:25.50 | ManuP | xsdg, yes. |
| 23:25.51 | abrotman | ManuP: uhm .. i haven't read the instructions .. did you do the chenv or whatever it is ? |
| 23:25.52 | xsdg | ManuP: firefox does fancy things when trying not to have two instances running at once |
| 23:26.01 | xsdg | ManuP: so use a different test program |
| 23:26.06 | abrotman | like vi! |
| 23:26.12 | abrotman | or windows! |
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| 23:26.16 | nice | hi |
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| 23:26.24 | ManuP | xsdg, i will close ff... |
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| 23:27.09 | ManuP | xsdg, hey, your good! this time i have the 32-bit version. thanks a lot. |
| 23:27.28 | xsdg | ManuP: np |
| 23:27.35 | ManuP | xsdg, this version has an ugly theme.. is this normal? |
| 23:27.36 | abrotman | ManuP: you're |
| 23:28.22 | ManuP | abrotman, no, i didnt do the chenv-thing. it wasnt mentioned in the howto. |
| 23:28.30 | abrotman | ManuP: then ignore it |
| 23:28.32 | xsdg | ManuP: probably related to not having matching gtk stuff in the 32-bit env |
| 23:28.37 | abrotman | i've seen it used in other chroot stuff |
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| 23:29.38 | ManuP | xsdg, right. that could it be. |
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| 23:30.27 | ManuP | what happens if i developp a java application in my 64-bit environment, is it runnable on 32bit? java should be platform independent, shouldnt it? |
| 23:30.47 | xsdg | ManuP: java should be, yeah (at least, theoretically) |
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| 23:31.01 | xsdg | ManuP: of course, Sun hasn't release a JVM for amd64 :oP |
| 23:31.23 | xsdg | (there are open source VMs, but they don't quite have the same feature set, from what I understand) |
| 23:31.39 | ManuP | lol, theoretically... c++ binarys wouldnt... java "binarys" should.. hmm.. I'll have to try |
| 23:32.00 | xsdg | ManuP: java should, yeah, but they'll only run where you have a VM to run them |
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| 23:32.51 | ManuP | xsdg, right. but i thought, there might be problems when compiling on 64bit and letting run on 32bit. I will see. |
| 23:33.19 | xsdg | ManuP: as you said, with java, that shouldn't be the case |
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| 23:34.23 | streuner | abrotman: do you celebrate christmas at all? |
| 23:34.40 | abrotman | streuner: sure .. i'm freezing my ass off in wisconsin with my mum |
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| 23:35.41 | Cr3ature | can you change Window Manager on the fly? |
| 23:35.51 | abrotman | depends on the wm being used and replacing |
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| 23:36.04 | Cr3ature | FluxBox could do this |
| 23:36.11 | Cr3ature | it has a "Window Managers" menu |
| 23:36.18 | abrotman | flux is a WM |
| 23:36.35 | abrotman | oh .. also depends how you started it |
| 23:36.49 | jetscreamer | woohoo |
| 23:36.51 | Cr3ature | well how should i do it? |
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| 23:41.33 | Tabakhase | Hi, im looking for a easy Socks5 proxy, i only need to specific the port and the log directory, thats all |
| 23:41.45 | Tabakhase | Coud anybody give me a hint? |
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| 23:42.05 | Tabakhase | Long time ago ive got the perfect one for this, but forgotten the name =( |
| 23:43.03 | abrotman | did you try apt-cache search proxy? |
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| 23:43.23 | abrotman | !info tsocks etch |
| 23:43.28 | dpkg | tsocks: (transparent network access through a SOCKS 4 or 5 proxy), section net, is optional. Version: 1.8beta5-3 (etch), Packaged size: 236 kB, Installed size: 588 kB |
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| 23:44.24 | Tabakhase | transparent? need a highly anonymus |
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| 23:45.28 | Tabakhase | abrotman some idea for this? |
| 23:45.28 | ManuP | cant i do a chroot from a script? |
| 23:45.53 | abrotman | Tabakhase: nope |
| 23:45.53 | ManuP | i mean, chroot into a dir and then do some commands? |
| 23:46.16 | xsdg | ManuP: you can tell the chroot environment to run some command |
| 23:46.24 | xsdg | ManuP: but from that instance of the script, no |
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| 23:47.20 | ManuP | xsdg, okay, that has a certain logic because it is a script i run (which is interpreted line by line) and after chroot, the location is gone... |
| 23:47.36 | ManuP | xsdg, so how do i tell the chroot env. to run some command? |
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| 23:48.15 | xsdg | ManuP: `man chroot` |
| 23:48.58 | Blue_Mousey | Or of course the old fashion way: www.google.com |
| 23:49.13 | Tabakhase | abrotman dev page says "dont working for ssh" =( |
| 23:49.19 | abrotman | ok |
| 23:49.38 | ManuP | xsdg, thanks again :) |
| 23:49.39 | Blue_Mousey | abrotman, i switched from VPC to VMware |
| 23:49.42 | xsdg | ManuP: np |
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| 23:49.44 | abrotman | yay! |
| 23:49.45 | abrotman | i think |
| 23:49.49 | abrotman | and you already told me :) |
| 23:49.59 | Blue_Mousey | It's a shame though VPC and debian don't get along |
| 23:50.20 | Blue_Mousey | Thats definitly a -- point that i would like to see a ++ in the future |
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| 23:54.26 | Blue_Mousey | Although abrotman it took me 3 retries to get it correctly on VMware aswell |
| 23:54.44 | abrotman | didn't htink it was that hard .. but ok |
| 23:54.50 | Blue_Mousey | Suppose there might be some issues involving the netinst version of etch |
| 23:55.17 | Blue_Mousey | Cause i hear and read that other people do get it working correctly... might be a glitch inside the ISO |
| 23:55.22 | Blue_Mousey | or perhaps a transmission bug |
| 23:55.32 | Blue_Mousey | I'm kind of a bit too lazy to find that out atm |
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