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| 00:19.29 | jetscreamer | !search |
| 00:19.29 | dpkg | i heard search is try 'apt-cache search <regex>', if you want to know what package owns a file use dpkg -S /bin/foo. To find a package based on what files it includes use 'aptitude install apt-file;apt-file update;apt-file search foo'. Use http://packages.debian.org if you're not on a debian system. /msg <bot> find <thing> if you're already here. /msg <bot> listkeys <thing> to find factoids containing <thing>. see http://wiki.debian.org/WhereIsIt |
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| 00:25.25 | TrueDD | Good night all |
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| 00:27.14 | phretor | Kamping_Kaiser: Dec 26 02:16:17 nas mountd[3010]: authenticated mount request from 192.168.1.15:969 for /mnt/lacie1 (/mnt/lacie1) - "authenticated" ? |
| 00:27.17 | EruditeHermit | hi can anyone help me with the eject function. One of my machines does not let the normal user eject ipod devices at /dev/sda* |
| 00:27.48 | phretor | EruditeHermit: check that user to be in the "disk" group |
| 00:28.03 | phretor | (or whatever group you use for disk/devices access) |
| 00:28.43 | EruditeHermit | phretor: let me try one sec |
| 00:29.20 | EruditeHermit | phretor: i added the user to the disk group but it still doesn't work. Do I need to restart the computer and try? |
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| 00:29.35 | phretor | EruditeHermit: no, login-logout would be enough |
| 00:29.50 | EruditeHermit | phretor: yeah I just tried that it didn't work |
| 00:29.56 | curi | hello there. i tried to write an bashscript, but i have no idea about the right syntax. it should be something like http://rafb.net/p/Fxa8ym14.html i know this script is complete bullsh** but i really hope someone can tell me how to do it right..... thank you ! |
| 00:30.04 | EruditeHermit | phretor: root can eject stuff |
| 00:30.29 | EruditeHermit | phretor: the user is in plugdev |
| 00:30.39 | EruditeHermit | plugdev group |
| 00:30.41 | phretor | EruditeHermit: well, sure that you have to eject? shouldn't you simply umount ? |
| 00:31.08 | EruditeHermit | phretor: you have to eject otherwise the ipod says do not disconnect |
| 00:31.24 | phretor | EruditeHermit: eject has to do with CD-ROMs devices |
| 00:31.40 | EruditeHermit | phretor: kdeeject doesn't work either. kdeeject tries to umount first and then eject. It is able to umount but the eject process fails |
| 00:31.45 | phretor | EruditeHermit: again, you should umount the iPod device, not trying to eject it |
| 00:32.01 | phretor | EruditeHermit: ****eject**** has nothing to do with Mac OS X's eject |
| 00:32.18 | EruditeHermit | phretor: yes but ipods need to be ejected after umount. |
| 00:32.33 | phretor | EruditeHermit: no |
| 00:32.41 | phretor | EruditeHermit: never did it so far |
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| 00:33.15 | phretor | EruditeHermit: and, in the case it wasn't enough, linux eject has to do with CD-ROM devices |
| 00:33.34 | EruditeHermit | phretor: linux eject is for pluggable media too |
| 00:33.57 | phretor | EruditeHermit: well, go ahead and keep ejecting your ipod :) |
| 00:34.25 | Kamping_Kaiser | eject is only /required/ for slot load cds. you can use it on any media |
| 00:34.32 | EruditeHermit | phretor: say you say safely remove device in KDE, it first tries to umount and then eject the drive |
| 00:34.33 | Kamping_Kaiser | s/media/removalble media |
| 00:34.59 | EruditeHermit | but the do not disconnect ipod screen does not disappear unless you eject |
| 00:35.16 | phretor | I wouldn't trust the "do not disconnect" |
| 00:35.24 | EruditeHermit | both gnome and KDE will first umount and then try to eject |
| 00:35.32 | EruditeHermit | and it works that way on my other 2 machines |
| 00:35.48 | phretor | EruditeHermit: well, you're simply not in the right group |
| 00:35.54 | Kamping_Kaiser | then again, i cant really speak for ipods, not using one. |
| 00:36.57 | Claudio32m | when using putty do you guys leave it in xterm or linux ? |
| 00:37.31 | Kamping_Kaiser | whatever the default is |
| 00:37.34 | Claudio32m | cool |
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| 00:45.01 | phretor | is NFS authenticated somehow? |
| 00:47.30 | De_Mon | plain text? |
| 00:47.52 | phretor | De_Mon: but where's the user db ? |
| 00:47.58 | wols_ | NIS? |
| 00:48.14 | wols_ | phretor: by default it is not at all. which is one of the great failings of NIS |
| 00:48.37 | phretor | wols_: strange, because I keep seeing authenticated requests |
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| 00:48.58 | De_Mon | i thought it was in the nfs roots file |
| 00:49.25 | De_Mon | its probably not user authenticated just path and rw settings |
| 00:49.33 | phretor | De_Mon: what's the root file? |
| 00:49.33 | De_Mon | now that I think about it |
| 00:50.59 | De_Mon | /etc/nfs-something i imagine, don't have nfs installed anywhere and you can search the package for config files yourself if you realllly want to know. |
| 00:51.12 | EruditeHermit | phretor: how do you check what groups a user is a member of? |
| 00:51.13 | wols_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:51.25 | phretor | EruditeHermit: groups command |
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| 00:51.48 | phretor | wols_: yes but there is nothing about auth in the exports file |
| 00:51.55 | De_Mon | ^^ wols_ is right I'll bet |
| 00:52.04 | De_Mon | 07:49PM <De_Mon> its probably not user authenticated just path and rw settings |
| 00:52.24 | De_Mon | my brain is on xmas vacation |
| 00:52.32 | curi | howto save the the content of an file in an variable... its an integer... i tried var="cat test" but that didnt really work.... |
| 00:52.49 | De_Mon | curi var=`cat test` ? |
| 00:52.52 | wols_ | phretor: I know |
| 00:52.53 | wols_ | !NIS |
| 00:52.53 | dpkg | from memory, nis is the Network Information System. It can be used to distribute files across networks. It is commonly used to maintain staff directories and files like /etc/group. Many sysadmins hate it because it is insecure. See also NFS.. Network Information Service, or http://www.levenez.com/NeXTSTEP/Xedoc.gif |
| 00:53.54 | curi | De_Mon : working fine, thanks a lot |
| 00:55.21 | penp | curi: also var=$(cat test) would work |
| 00:55.22 | phretor | wols_: well, a DEB doesn't seem to exist for NIS |
| 00:55.47 | curi | so penp thank you too :) |
| 00:56.23 | De_Mon | curi I just tested it and $var contains <some text> : no such file or directory |
| 00:56.59 | phretor | wols_: woops, I was wrong :) just found it now |
| 00:57.10 | De_Mon | not really sure why its trying to execute the contents of the file . . . |
| 00:58.02 | De_Mon | oh, because im just typing $var, i've been using powershell too much lately |
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| 00:59.42 | RichiH | what is the command that creates the initial menu.lst when you install debian? |
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| 01:01.01 | Penggu | hi all. any 'safe' way to get gcc-4.2 onto a debian-stable machine? |
| 01:01.13 | Penggu | are there like, backports or something |
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| 01:02.44 | RichiH | Penggu: did you look on backports.org? |
| 01:02.55 | Penggu | i *just* got onto it now |
| 01:03.29 | RichiH | :) |
| 01:04.09 | Penggu | hmm, they dont seem to have any for etch |
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| 01:05.36 | Penggu | might have to switch to lenny... |
| 01:06.01 | tanob | hello, some weeks ago i noticed that my debian startup is taking longer than usual, it takes some seconds on the "Waiting for /dev to be fully populated", anybody have a tip what can I do to improve it? |
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| 01:09.45 | Claudio32m | if i have a domain name which file do I need to put it in in debian? |
| 01:09.54 | Claudio32m | mainly to use for my sendmail or exim |
| 01:10.20 | Kamping_Kaiser | hosts |
| 01:10.28 | Claudio32m | so host.domain.com ? |
| 01:10.31 | Claudio32m | in /etc/hosts |
| 01:10.32 | Claudio32m | ? |
| 01:10.35 | Kamping_Kaiser | or for mail mailname |
| 01:10.40 | Kamping_Kaiser | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:10.48 | Claudio32m | can i put it in both? |
| 01:11.02 | Kamping_Kaiser | you can, but the mail servers will only need it in mailname |
| 01:11.31 | Claudio32m | right now i have host.WORKGROUP in /etc/mailname |
| 01:11.32 | Claudio32m | just checked |
| 01:11.42 | Claudio32m | thats my windows workgroup name |
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| 01:11.48 | Claudio32m | will it conflict if i change it to my domain name? |
| 01:11.56 | Kamping_Kaiser | why is your workgroup name in there? |
| 01:12.05 | Claudio32m | So I can see all my computers from vista |
| 01:12.07 | Claudio32m | in network |
| 01:12.15 | Yancho | will debian support a p2 (333 mhz) 128mb ram laptop (ibm 390X) ? |
| 01:12.17 | Claudio32m | samba also uses WORKGROUP |
| 01:12.32 | Kamping_Kaiser | Yancho, slowly, yes |
| 01:12.55 | Kamping_Kaiser | samba may use workgroup, but it doesnt need to be in mailname |
| 01:13.11 | Claudio32m | allright thank you Kamping_Kaiser |
| 01:13.19 | Yancho | Kamping_Kaiser usage will just be browser + some times microsoft office 2003 loaded on crossover |
| 01:13.27 | Claudio32m | do all my linux machines need to have my domain name then? |
| 01:13.30 | Claudio32m | instead of .WORKGROUP ? |
| 01:13.41 | Kamping_Kaiser | Yancho, MSO wont run on that spec system |
| 01:13.52 | phogg | Claudio32m: need? not so much. But it would be more correct. |
| 01:13.56 | Yancho | Kamping_Kaiser why not? |
| 01:14.05 | Claudio32m | so its safe to put it in /etc/hosts and /etc/mailname ? |
| 01:14.05 | Kamping_Kaiser | Claudio32m, mailname is is your FQDN for mailing from |
| 01:14.12 | Kamping_Kaiser | Yancho, because its bloaty? |
| 01:14.20 | Yancho | it runs now on windows xp |
| 01:14.20 | Kamping_Kaiser | yes. |
| 01:14.24 | curi | ok, heres another one. the file "file" looks like this: http://rafb.net/p/j1c2w028.html . Now how to save the "test" in an variable? Thanks in advance, again :) |
| 01:14.26 | Kamping_Kaiser | yes, and? |
| 01:14.38 | Claudio32m | and quickly, i noticed debian ships with exim.. is it preferable over sendmail as a MTA |
| 01:14.38 | Claudio32m | ? |
| 01:14.40 | Kamping_Kaiser | on a 333mhz machien with 128mb of ram? i dont think so |
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| 01:15.05 | Yancho | Kamping_Kaiser or wait i think that is office 2000 :) |
| 01:15.09 | Kamping_Kaiser | Claudio32m, matter of preferance, the only people i know hwo dont like it are too old school to stop liking postfix/sendmail |
| 01:15.18 | Claudio32m | allright |
| 01:15.28 | De_Mon | Kamping_Kaiser you don't like postfix? |
| 01:15.34 | Kamping_Kaiser | Yancho, you may be in luck, but i still think thats a *very* lightwight system |
| 01:15.47 | Kamping_Kaiser | De_Mon, hate it with a pasion - i just cant grock it :| |
| 01:15.51 | Claudio32m | once my sendmail is configured can I use /sbin/mail out of the box ? |
| 01:15.55 | De_Mon | Claudio32m "ships with"? |
| 01:16.08 | Kamping_Kaiser | exim is the default mailer on debian. |
| 01:16.10 | Claudio32m | de_mon - pre-installed |
| 01:16.28 | De_Mon | I didn't know debian came with anything pre-installed |
| 01:16.40 | Kamping_Kaiser | ubuntu doesnt, debian (still) does |
| 01:16.53 | De_Mon | Kamping_Kaiser what do you use instead? |
| 01:16.59 | De_Mon | (instead of postfix) |
| 01:17.03 | Kamping_Kaiser | when your prefered way of reporting bugs is via a tool that emails them in, you need some level of mail sending ;) |
| 01:17.20 | Kamping_Kaiser | De_Mon, exim, but i dont use it in any sort of complex way |
| 01:17.34 | Yancho | Kamping_Kaiser and what gui u suggest which is very light weight please? |
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| 01:17.55 | De_Mon | oh postfix, I was thinking procmail for some silly reason. My brain is completely scrabled tonight |
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| 01:18.25 | Kamping_Kaiser | Yancho, been a while since i used lightweight gui's. xfce is usually recomended, but i dislike it. E16 is cool, if a little old |
| 01:18.32 | Kamping_Kaiser | s/cool/light :) |
| 01:18.36 | Kamping_Kaiser | De_Mon, ah.hehe. |
| 01:18.57 | Claudio32m | Kamping_Kaiser - /etc/hostname /etc/hosts and /etc/mailname should all refer to my host.domain.com ? |
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| 01:19.16 | Kamping_Kaiser | Claudio32m, no. hostname and mailname can be different |
| 01:19.30 | De_Mon | I'm using postfix/mailx myself evidently |
| 01:19.31 | Kamping_Kaiser | and if you have the mailname in dns, you dont technically need it in hosts |
| 01:19.35 | RichiH | update-grub |
| 01:20.02 | De_Mon | I thought postfix handled outgoing mail, wonder where I got that idea |
| 01:20.43 | Yancho | thanks Kamping_Kaiser :) |
| 01:21.03 | Kamping_Kaiser | Yancho, hope it helps :) |
| 01:21.05 | Yancho | any comments on these : Flux or IceWM ? |
| 01:21.30 | Kamping_Kaiser | icewm (last i tried) was a really sus looking win 95 clone. (this is 2+ years ago). flux i dont recall trying |
| 01:22.02 | Yancho | the more it looks like windows the better .. its for my dad hehe |
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| 01:22.12 | Kamping_Kaiser | oh, hehe. |
| 01:22.16 | Yancho | who'm im trying to misguide and tell him its a lighter version of windows :P |
| 01:22.23 | Yancho | else he will say a big no |
| 01:22.44 | Claudio32m | apt-get is giving me broken packages errors |
| 01:22.48 | Claudio32m | apt-get install sendmail |
| 01:22.59 | Kamping_Kaiser | Claudio32m, feel free to pastebin the errors |
| 01:23.02 | Claudio32m | allright |
| 01:23.47 | Claudio32m | http://pastebin.ca/832309 |
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| 01:24.51 | Kamping_Kaiser | clamiax, what version of debian are you running? |
| 01:25.08 | Claudio32m | etch |
| 01:25.14 | clamiax | ;) |
| 01:25.18 | Claudio32m | Linux silver1 2.6.18-5-686 #1 SMP Wed Oct 3 00:12:50 UTC 2007 i686 GNU/Linux |
| 01:25.28 | Kamping_Kaiser | hm. |
| 01:25.37 | Kamping_Kaiser | what happens when you run `apt-get -f install` |
| 01:25.52 | Claudio32m | silver1:~# apt-get -f install |
| 01:25.53 | Claudio32m | Reading package lists... Done |
| 01:25.53 | Claudio32m | Building dependency tree... Done |
| 01:25.53 | Claudio32m | 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 35 not upgraded. |
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| 01:26.15 | Kamping_Kaiser | wb |
| 01:26.17 | Claudio32m | ty |
| 01:26.18 | Kamping_Kaiser | *grin* |
| 01:26.20 | Claudio32m | lol |
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| 01:26.57 | Kamping_Kaiser | boxing day+ irc + irc support == fairly win |
| 01:27.34 | Kamping_Kaiser | i have the same behaviour. check if theres a bug |
| 01:27.36 | Claudio32m | i'm upgrading |
| 01:27.41 | Claudio32m | havent done that in a while |
| 01:27.42 | Claudio32m | if ever |
| 01:27.45 | Claudio32m | apt-get upgrade |
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| 01:32.01 | Kamping_Kaiser | Claudio32m, i dont see a bug about it |
| 01:32.18 | Claudio32m | allright i'm gonnna reboot soon, upgrade almost done |
| 01:32.23 | Claudio32m | some dependencies will change |
| 01:32.37 | Kamping_Kaiser | sendmail-bin installs, but not sendmail |
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| 01:32.56 | Claudio32m | worse case I'll use exim |
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| 01:33.53 | Kamping_Kaiser | sendmail depends on rmail, sendmail-bin doesnt |
| 01:34.03 | Claudio32m | i wanted sendmail because apparfently on debian there's a script that guides you through the process |
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| 01:34.22 | Kamping_Kaiser | exim has debconf too |
| 01:34.27 | Claudio32m | nice |
| 01:34.36 | Kamping_Kaiser | all the major packages do |
| 01:36.13 | Kamping_Kaiser | wth? 'sendmail' depends on 'rmail', but 'rmail' conflicts with 'sendmail' |
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| 01:38.51 | Claudio32m | ok got it Kamping_Kaiser |
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| 01:39.30 | Claudio32m | i did "apt-get install sendmail-bin" and then "apt-get install sendmail", everything installed fine. |
| 01:39.46 | Kamping_Kaiser | that is flat out illogical |
| 01:40.35 | Kamping_Kaiser | what got removed when you installed sendmail? |
| 01:40.35 | Claudio32m | the service is even started |
| 01:40.35 | Claudio32m | i don't know |
| 01:40.35 | Claudio32m | i can show you the log |
| 01:40.35 | Kamping_Kaiser | thanks |
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| 01:41.51 | Claudio32m | http://pastebin.ca/832320 |
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| 01:53.57 | simonrvn | foo |
| 01:54.00 | dvs | bar |
| 01:54.28 | simonrvn | dead in here |
| 01:54.37 | simonrvn | heh |
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| 01:56.04 | gumpish | Hmmm, what's the deal with the /service directory? |
| 01:57.02 | gumpish | n/m so it's a daemontools thing |
| 01:57.07 | simonrvn | that's for the djbutils stuff like tcpds or whatever that fricking thing is called; the git-* stuff uses that too |
| 01:57.10 | simonrvn | yeh |
| 01:57.22 | gumpish | thx |
| 01:59.48 | Claudio32m | http://pastebin.ca/832327 are these severe sendmail errors? |
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| 02:05.56 | mrrcp | how can i dns lookup a domain |
| 02:05.56 | mrrcp | ? |
| 02:06.35 | Kamping_Kaiser | is this correct? the Maildir format stores every email with a unique id, so i should be able to rsync two maildirs over each other and not loose mail. |
| 02:06.44 | Kamping_Kaiser | mrrcp, host/dig |
| 02:07.18 | techouse | have you guys got any idea how i could compile crafty for amd64? there is no amd64 verison in the repositories and the source has no configure script, only a make file which gives me an error when executing it; any ideas? |
| 02:07.21 | mrrcp | ? |
| 02:07.29 | mrrcp | from terminal |
| 02:07.32 | mrrcp | host ? |
| 02:07.46 | Kamping_Kaiser | mrrcp, yes |
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| 02:08.19 | Kamping_Kaiser | techouse, check if anyone has tried is my only real suggestion. |
| 02:08.55 | techouse | :D |
| 02:09.08 | mrrcp | anyone else having issues with dns on major sites? |
| 02:09.26 | Kamping_Kaiser | mrrcp, whats your actual question? |
| 02:09.31 | Guerin | mrrcp: i can assure you the global dns system is functional |
| 02:10.08 | techouse | w00t: http://ftp.ussg.iu.edu/array3/debian-amd64/debian-amd64/pool/non-free/c/crafty/ |
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| 02:15.27 | zophy | with wodim, how should i blank a cd r/w before i reuse it ? |
| 02:17.15 | xsdg | zophy: man wodim? |
| 02:17.26 | xsdg | zophy: ISTR that it was pretty straightforward |
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| 02:18.21 | xsdg | zophy: man wodim, search for "blank" |
| 02:18.28 | maddash | man wodim |
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| 02:20.25 | _SKiTZO | I want to install expat |
| 02:20.45 | _SKiTZO | apt-get install expat however complains that it cant restart lighttpd |
| 02:20.46 | linux_jones | what does FATAL: Module ndiswrapper not found. mean? |
| 02:21.20 | Gnurdux | it means you dont have ndiswrapper |
| 02:21.20 | _SKiTZO | I beleive that this has something to do with the rather troublesome apt-get session I endured while installing lighttpd |
| 02:21.30 | Gnurdux | and something thinks you should |
| 02:21.37 | Gnurdux | do you have a wifi card? |
| 02:21.49 | _SKiTZO | lighttpd works great, so how can i convince apt-get to stop worrying about it? |
| 02:21.59 | zophy | xsdg, i'm wondering ii blank=fast is sufficient or if blank=all is better |
| 02:23.13 | xsdg | zophy: blank=fast has always worked for me |
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| 02:24.17 | itchi | Someone experienced with the TomTom One v3 GPS system? I can mount it well, access the data, but i wonder if there's some tools to download the updates |
| 02:25.34 | dacs | i am trying to dowmload a file when i wget http:// it only download the file name ? am i doing something wrong? |
| 02:26.38 | itchi | I have read somewhere that these use Linux based stuff, but i don't realy find any tool for these updates. There seems to be opentom but that's is it. |
| 02:28.23 | itchi | dacs: What's your command you use? |
| 02:28.24 | _SKiTZO | dacs: if you try to download http:77 i would suspect you didnt get anything |
| 02:28.47 | _SKiTZO | i mean // |
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| 02:32.05 | Claudio32m | sendmail must use both port 24 and port 587 right? |
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| 02:32.10 | Claudio32m | not 24 i mean 25 |
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| 02:35.49 | linux_jones | is it a bad thing if modinfo subcore says modinfo: could not open /lib/modules/2.6.18-5-486/modules.dep? |
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| 02:36.58 | dacs | _SKiTZO: yes i didn't get it, i am just trying to download a file |
| 02:37.17 | linux_jones | anyone? because now my modprobes wont work |
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| 02:38.43 | dacs | wb wols |
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| 02:42.50 | faglarg | http://nitin.myminicity.com/ |
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| 02:43.20 | faglarg | http://nitin.myminicity.com/ |
| 02:45.13 | dacs | _SKiTZO: nm, i firgure out what was my problem, thank you anyways |
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| 02:52.52 | y | I performed fsck -fy on a a drive and now its not showing up. =( |
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| 02:53.01 | y | I don't even see it in /dev/ anymore |
| 02:53.56 | penp | O_o |
| 02:54.02 | penp | what was the device you did it on |
| 02:54.07 | stopher | What do I do if the network settings says a connection is active, but ifconfig and ping say the connection doesn't exist? |
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| 02:54.31 | y | it was /dev/disk0s3 but now my cd-rom is /dev/diskOs3 =( |
| 02:54.40 | y | and disk1s3, which it was, it now isn't. |
| 02:54.50 | y | so its like not even availlable to the kernel anymore |
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| 02:55.02 | penp | y: does fdisk -l show anything that looks like the disc? |
| 02:55.07 | y | nope =( |
| 02:55.24 | penp | y: are you sure its being detected at bios level? |
| 02:55.33 | y | i'm on os x so fdisk -l isn't valid |
| 02:55.39 | penp | .. |
| 02:55.49 | y | sorry. I can't find intelligent people in any of the os x rooms |
| 02:55.59 | penp | but we can't help you here |
| 02:56.05 | penp | i dont know anything about os x |
| 02:56.24 | penp | what kind of device is it |
| 02:56.25 | penp | ? |
| 02:56.40 | y | its a hard disk |
| 02:56.42 | y | http://www.ss64.com/osx/fdisk.html |
| 02:56.46 | y | which of those would be equivalent with -l? any? |
| 02:57.31 | penp | sata? ide? |
| 02:57.33 | penp | usb? |
| 02:57.44 | penp | external? |
| 02:57.45 | penp | lol |
| 02:57.51 | y | oh, sorry. standard internal laptop. |
| 02:57.56 | y | IDE I imagine. |
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| 02:58.08 | penp | hm, yeah probably |
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| 02:58.38 | penp | it looks like the mac osx version of fdisk has a much different use than in linux |
| 02:58.43 | y | yeah. |
| 02:58.54 | y | i can check two other items in /dev/ |
| 02:58.57 | y | that look similar. |
| 02:59.06 | y | if i have to do it 1 by 1 |
| 02:59.09 | penp | so it's a slaved drive? |
| 02:59.16 | y | I'm not sure. |
| 02:59.19 | penp | lol |
| 02:59.30 | penp | if not, im wondering what the OS is running from.. |
| 02:59.31 | dacs | guy can someone please show me how i can compile a file, i just sownloaded the latest ver of Asterisk and i want to install it |
| 02:59.41 | dacs | the one on pkg is old |
| 02:59.42 | y | penp -- its running from my install disk. |
| 02:59.44 | y | I got a terminal. |
| 02:59.58 | penp | dacs: tar xfvz foo.tar.gz |
| 03:00.03 | penp | dacs: cd foo |
| 03:00.07 | penp | dacs: make |
| 03:00.10 | penp | dacs: make install |
| 03:00.12 | penp | o wait |
| 03:00.17 | penp | dacs: ./configure before make |
| 03:00.25 | penp | thats generally how you compile from source |
| 03:00.33 | penp | also |
| 03:00.37 | penp | in debian you can use |
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| 03:00.50 | penp | apt-get build-dep [package name] to grab the packages you need to build it |
| 03:01.02 | penp | which youd need to do before compiling |
| 03:01.15 | penp | y: ah.. again, no clue myself..sorry |
| 03:01.17 | dacs | penp: < penp> apt-get build-dep [package name] to grab the packages you need to build it |
| 03:01.22 | kevind23 | apt is giving me this error --> http://pastebin.ca/832135, someone said it was a known bug; is there any solution to this, and if not how do I make apt work again? |
| 03:01.30 | y | penp, know any way i could use fdisk to check the items in /dev? |
| 03:01.37 | dacs | penp: can you explain for me please, what do you mean? |
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| 03:02.28 | penp | dacs: most packages, in order to compile them, you need library packages for the build. apt-get build-dep will use apt to grab these packages that aren't installed when you just install the binary version, so you can compile it from source |
| 03:02.59 | penp | dacs: some programs, like VLC, will grab a ton of lib packages fora build, which is why its usually easiest to just install binaries |
| 03:03.05 | stopher | Nothing is wrong with my network, dhcp is fine, etc etc. This server won't show an IP or connect to the network successfully... even thought in network settings it says everything's fine |
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| 03:03.21 | penp | y: the way it works in debian is you use fdisk -l and it lists all the partitions on all detected disk devices |
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| 03:03.39 | y | Yeah. I am famil with debian |
| 03:03.47 | y | I figured you'd be able to test from that man page i pasted. |
| 03:03.59 | penp | y: from that manpage you sent me, you could try just using fdisk (devicename) without any other params |
| 03:04.05 | penp | y: and it should print out partition info if there is any |
| 03:04.27 | y | ok |
| 03:05.25 | dacs | penp: thank you |
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| 03:05.44 | y | you're right, penp. thanks |
| 03:05.54 | y | now to check all 200 entries for something that seems like a 60GB HD |
| 03:06.05 | y | (know offhand how many sectors that would be? =) |
| 03:06.14 | penp | dacs: generally speaking all you need to do is use ./configure (which configures the compile for your system based on the libs installed), make (which compiles), and make install (which installs the compiled packages to your system) |
| 03:06.33 | penp | dacs: but, if that doesnt work, I'd consult the package's website for build instructions |
| 03:07.22 | y | I wish OS X didn't neuter KNOPPIX, I'd be fine. |
| 03:07.41 | Kamping_Kaiser | er, what? |
| 03:07.46 | penp | y: no idea |
| 03:07.54 | y | I think I found it. |
| 03:07.58 | Kamping_Kaiser | osx+knoppix? |
| 03:08.00 | penp | haha |
| 03:08.03 | penp | word? |
| 03:08.04 | dacs | penp: you are very helpfuly, what is your schedule for tomorrow ? |
| 03:08.05 | dacs | lol |
| 03:08.22 | penp | dacs: lol, I work 4pm-midnight CST |
| 03:08.29 | penp | dacs: and I chat here when its slow :p |
| 03:08.40 | dacs | penp: what you do? |
| 03:08.52 | penp | dacs: i work in a data center for a dedicated server hosting company |
| 03:09.03 | dacs | penp: :) |
| 03:09.34 | kevind23 | :S I really need apt working again.. |
| 03:09.52 | dacs | penp: how can i add this to apt-get install , so in future if someone wants to install it they can just do apt-get install <pkg name> |
| 03:09.53 | penp | kevind23: etch/lenny/sid? |
| 03:10.00 | kevind23 | etch x86_64 |
| 03:10.11 | penp | dacs: you mean the one you've compiled? |
| 03:10.29 | dacs | yes |
| 03:10.45 | kevind23 | I don't even remember getting nspluginwrapper, I could have sworn I compiled it.. at any rate I do need it else I won't have flash |
| 03:11.01 | penp | kevind23: not familiar, but you might try uninstalling nspluginwrapper with dpkg and then reinstalling libc6/nsplugin via apt |
| 03:11.31 | penp | dacs: you can try to become the package maintainer for that package, but most packages in debian aren't the most recent version because they need to be tested |
| 03:11.50 | dacs | penp: aha |
| 03:11.52 | stopher | why woudl i get "eth0 link down" on boot ? |
| 03:11.57 | stopher | bad NIC? |
| 03:12.09 | penp | stopher: or bad cable, or bad configuration |
| 03:12.24 | stopher | blah ok. |
| 03:12.28 | stopher | thanks penp |
| 03:12.40 | dacs | stopher: dmesg and see maybe something is setting it to ifdown eth0 |
| 03:12.45 | kevind23 | okay thank you penp, it's upgrading it now.. don't be scared kdm might go down |
| 03:12.46 | penp | stopher: it could be any number of things |
| 03:12.50 | penp | that too |
| 03:13.00 | penp | kevind23: that worked? nice :) |
| 03:13.14 | kevind23 | yeah, I'll just have to put nspluginwrapper back but that shouldn't be too hard |
| 03:13.24 | techouse | i've tried to compile brutalchess 0.5.2 and got this wicked error http://rafb.net/p/ccD1Kk12.html |
| 03:13.47 | kevind23 | you guys are faster than ubuntu ^^ so glad I switched from that crap |
| 03:14.05 | penp | techouse: you have the build dependencies for the package? |
| 03:14.15 | stopher | dacs: i did dmesg as root and still says "eth0 link down" |
| 03:14.17 | penp | kevind23: sometimes. this place has its slow moments |
| 03:14.32 | abrotman | lies! |
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| 03:14.38 | techouse | penp: configure went ok....don't know |
| 03:14.39 | kevind23 | penp: ah, yeah your channel on OFTC seems to be slow at the moment |
| 03:14.50 | stopher | ADDRCONF(NETDEV_UP): eth0: link is not ready |
| 03:14.59 | bintut | anyone familiar with the ISC DHCP server? what's the difference between the "next-server" to the "server-name" parameters? |
| 03:15.00 | penp | techouse: try running apt-get build-dep brutalchess |
| 03:15.07 | dacs | stopher: if you did ifup eth0 , will it work |
| 03:15.08 | penp | techouse: then re-issuing configure/make commands |
| 03:15.40 | penp | kevind23: i never go to that one, because there's like no one in it..evne though its the 'official' channel |
| 03:15.41 | techouse | penp: xlibmesa-gl-dev |
| 03:15.52 | penp | techouse: its installing that? |
| 03:16.10 | kevind23 | penp: well they have 275 right now, but still I asked that question like 2 hours ago and they still haven't replied, lol |
| 03:16.11 | techouse | yep |
| 03:16.25 | penp | techouse: yeah, then thats probably all you were missing..hopefully it will compile now |
| 03:16.36 | penp | techouse: any reason you dont want the brutalchess in the repos? :p |
| 03:16.43 | dacs | !doxygen |
| 03:16.43 | dpkg | doxygen is probably http://www.stack.nl/~dimitri/doxygen, a manual making tool |
| 03:16.45 | techouse | it's old :D |
| 03:16.49 | penp | wow |
| 03:16.50 | penp | it is old |
| 03:16.58 | y | Crapola. |
| 03:17.02 | penp | 0.0.20060314cvs-2 0 |
| 03:17.03 | techouse | i'll make a deb if you want |
| 03:17.04 | penp | haha |
| 03:17.07 | y | Can fsck really turn a HD into a doortstop? |
| 03:17.21 | penp | y: was the disk mounted? |
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| 03:17.31 | penp | y: if you run fsck on a mounted partition, it can ruin things |
| 03:17.32 | y | no! |
| 03:17.39 | y | =) it was not mounted. |
| 03:17.42 | kevind23 | ugh, why aren't testing/unstable enabled by defualt in Debian? now I have sooo many more packages to choose from |
| 03:17.44 | penp | lol ok just checking |
| 03:17.55 | penp | kevind23: because not everyone wants testing/unstable :p |
| 03:18.02 | penp | kevind23: especially not people running web servers |
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| 03:18.04 | abrotman | kevind23: because they aren't meant for everyone |
| 03:18.19 | kevind23 | ^_^; still, I had to go looking, you should have them commented out in sources.list |
| 03:18.29 | penp | eh |
| 03:18.33 | abrotman | no they shouldn't |
| 03:18.37 | penp | a lot of people have to go looking |
| 03:18.41 | penp | its part of learning debian:) |
| 03:18.46 | kevind23 | touche |
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| 03:19.09 | penp | yeah, i agree it could be easier to adjust to |
| 03:19.18 | penp | but debian's target audience isnt exactly the same as ubuntu's |
| 03:19.28 | kevind23 | Mm, I'm not saying make it like ubuntu |
| 03:19.38 | kevind23 | ubuntu is nice but it leaves little room to grow |
| 03:19.50 | penp | thats exactly why i dont like ubuntu |
| 03:19.54 | kevind23 | same here |
| 03:20.14 | penp | among other reasons :< but we should probably refrain from flames |
| 03:20.19 | kevind23 | xD |
| 03:20.19 | penp | lol |
| 03:20.34 | kevind23 | I like how they cater to winblows converts, but once you get used to Linux there's not much do to |
| 03:20.52 | techouse | penp: same error |
| 03:20.52 | techouse | :P |
| 03:20.53 | kevind23 | except upgrade to debian |
| 03:21.03 | penp | techouse: hrm |
| 03:21.08 | penp | techouse: link me the error again |
| 03:21.15 | techouse | 1 moment |
| 03:21.25 | techouse | i'll paste you this :) |
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| 03:23.16 | kevind23 | actually I think my favourite part about debian is apt |
| 03:23.37 | techouse | penp: http://pastebin.com/d1e4db91d |
| 03:23.51 | penp | kevind23: ive heard freebsd has a similar package management system called ports, which downloads shit from source and compiles it :) lol i want to play with it sometime |
| 03:24.18 | kevind23 | heh, I know Gentoo does that as well, but then again people complain because it takes forever to compile stuff |
| 03:24.30 | stopher | okay i put in a new NIC and it failed also..cable is good connection is good on the other server, i dunno!? |
| 03:24.32 | kevind23 | apparently Gentoo's installation is hell |
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| 03:25.13 | penp | techouse: http://aur.archlinux.org/packages.php?do_Details=1&ID=6236&O=0&L=0&C=0&K=brutalchess&SB=n&SO=a&PP=25&do_MyPackages=0&do_Orphans=0&SeB=nd |
| 03:25.23 | abrotman | wtf |
| 03:26.01 | penp | stopher: can you paste your /etc/network/interfaces and the output of ifconfig somewhere? |
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| 03:26.22 | penp | kevind23: depends what stage you install from |
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| 03:26.26 | penp | kevind23: but yeah |
| 03:26.29 | techouse | penp: tnx! |
| 03:26.37 | penp | techouse: hope it helps |
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| 03:26.54 | techouse | i hope too |
| 03:27.06 | stopher | penp, yep. give me a few please? |
| 03:27.12 | kevind23 | penp: I tried a Gentoo live CD but it wouldn't even load X, and if I wanted a text-based distro I'd use arch :p |
| 03:27.20 | stopher | new network card is eth1 not eth0, so it's trying to activate |
| 03:27.46 | penp | kevind23: you have to install xorg..what have you never used the cli?! |
| 03:27.51 | Claudio32m | is an MX record searched within its A record? so if machine1 exists in record A it will find it? |
| 03:27.56 | penp | stopher: np |
| 03:28.02 | abrotman | #dns |
| 03:28.12 | Claudio32m | thanks |
| 03:28.23 | y | Could I have screwed up my disk's geometry? |
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| 03:28.36 | kevind23 | penp: I've used cli of course, but it's a live CD and it came with Xorg, it wouldn't start |
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| 03:28.50 | penp | y: its possible, but again, i dont know enough about osx |
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| 03:29.02 | penp | kevind23: the gentoo livecd i downloaded didnt have xorg.. lol |
| 03:29.04 | y | They're telllling me dumb crap in ##mac |
| 03:29.09 | y | 'start it up in target mode' |
| 03:29.11 | y | makes no sense. |
| 03:29.14 | penp | y: wtf is target mode |
| 03:29.18 | penp | y: is that like safe mode? |
| 03:29.24 | y | no, its network startup |
| 03:29.26 | penp | ah |
| 03:29.28 | kevind23 | penp: lol, I must have got a special version or something, but it definitely tried to start it |
| 03:29.31 | stopher | no, target mode is when you boot one mac off of another mac using firewire |
| 03:29.37 | penp | stopher: ah |
| 03:29.39 | y | makes no sense that a computer would display a disk it can't even read itself. |
| 03:29.49 | stopher | basically the destination mac is a mounted HD on the target mac |
| 03:29.59 | y | yeah. |
| 03:30.10 | y | oh well. |
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| 03:32.30 | stopher | eth1 says "setting half-duplex" good? |
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| 03:33.07 | y | that @ me, stopher? |
| 03:33.27 | stopher | it's at dacs and penp |
| 03:33.33 | y | mmk. |
| 03:34.00 | penp | stopher: yeah, should be fine |
| 03:34.12 | stopher | k |
| 03:36.31 | stopher | penp, still a no go. |
| 03:36.36 | stopher | let me pastebin.ca it |
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| 03:36.46 | y | oh my god the disk reappeared |
| 03:36.50 | stopher | omg? |
| 03:36.55 | kevind23 | it's a christmas miracle! :o |
| 03:37.03 | kevind23 | actually I'm athiest *runs* |
| 03:37.19 | stopher | ok i can't pastebin it unless i want to re-type it all :( no network conn. |
| 03:37.29 | penp | retype what |
| 03:37.30 | penp | lol |
| 03:37.38 | penp | cant cut/paste or is it on another box? |
| 03:37.58 | penp | well yeah..anotehr box prolly |
| 03:38.01 | abrotman | with what>? |
| 03:38.03 | penp | humm |
| 03:38.11 | penp | stopher: how is it connected? directly? router? etc |
| 03:38.37 | stopher | uhh into router/switch combo |
| 03:38.41 | stopher | a linksys :D |
| 03:38.45 | penp | using dhcp? |
| 03:38.58 | stopher | soon to be replaced by a full throttle network appliance :D |
| 03:39.24 | stopher | yep, dhcp |
| 03:39.24 | penp | double check /etc/network/interfaces, make sure eth0 or eth1 or wahtever you're using has something like |
| 03:39.46 | techouse | penp: it worked |
| 03:40.06 | penp | stopher: auto eth0 |
| 03:40.14 | penp | stopher: iface eth0 inet dhcp |
| 03:40.36 | penp | stopher: then run /etc/init.d/networking restart |
| 03:40.46 | penp | techouse: sweet :) |
| 03:41.16 | penp | stopher: also make sure that auto lo and iface lo inet loopback are there for loopback |
| 03:41.28 | techouse | penp: another problem that bothering me. sometimes when i delete a file on the desktop via the terminal it just remains there as a blanc sheet icon; any ideas why? i'm using kde 3.5.8 |
| 03:41.41 | stopher | penp: iface eth0 inet dhcp /next line/ auto eth0 /next line/ iface eh1 inet dhcp /next line/ auto eth1 |
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| 03:41.55 | techouse | penp: it's gone when i restart X |
| 03:42.13 | penp | techouse: not familiar with kde, but i'd suggest taking a look at your desktop folder via terminal and see if the files there are links or something |
| 03:42.48 | penp | techouse: unless you're deleting them that way in the first place, in which case it's probably just something where it cant find the file it was previously referencing, so yeah restarting x would fix it |
| 03:42.54 | techouse | nope... ls -a reveals only that what should be on the desktop |
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| 03:43.22 | penp | stopher: not sure if it matters, but on mine the lines for auto are before the iface lines |
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| 03:43.34 | stopher | hmm ill move them and see |
| 03:43.59 | penp | techouse: id suggest asking in the kde forums or debian forums |
| 03:44.13 | penp | for some reason i cant access the debian forums from my work lol |
| 03:44.40 | techouse | lol |
| 03:44.52 | techouse | try using a proxy :P |
| 03:45.00 | coondogster | be careful |
| 03:45.04 | penp | brb |
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| 03:46.32 | stopher | penp: i moved them and restarted the networking, network is unreachable...still |
| 03:47.15 | y | if a disk is not mountable, will running fsck hurt or help or neither? |
| 03:47.27 | y | for some reason i can't mount. giving me a permissions error but that may be a kernel way of saying 'not mountable' |
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| 03:47.32 | comex | li |
| 03:47.41 | krim | Is the Intel G33 supported in Debian Lenny? It is in Ubuntu Gutsy but not in Etch. |
| 03:48.41 | coondogster | y, have you tried the mount as root? |
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| 03:48.49 | stopher | su? |
| 03:48.54 | y | coondogster I'm on OS X =) |
| 03:48.56 | y | so, who knows |
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| 03:50.00 | sauvin | The current version of perl is 5.10.0. The latest available in repos is 5.8.8. Would it break anything to download and build the newest perl? |
| 03:50.56 | abrotman | good chance |
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| 03:51.07 | penp | back |
| 03:51.18 | penp | stopher: try running uh |
| 03:51.23 | penp | stopher: dhclient eth0/1 |
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| 03:51.46 | stopher | which part do you want read back? |
| 03:51.52 | penp | sauvin: depends on how you define 'break' |
| 03:51.57 | stopher | SIOCSIFADDR: No such device |
| 03:52.08 | penp | stopher: nono lol |
| 03:52.14 | stopher | ahh one at a time? |
| 03:52.17 | penp | stopher: dhclient eth1 i guess, if its the one plugged in |
| 03:52.17 | xsdg | krim: G33? is that a processor? compiler? |
| 03:52.23 | penp | stopher: whichever one is plugged in |
| 03:52.23 | stopher | lol ok :D |
| 03:52.42 | sauvin | Interesting question. How much does debian depend on perl? |
| 03:52.46 | stopher | penp: Listening on LPF/eth1/mac |
| 03:52.51 | stopher | Sending on LPF/eth1/mac |
| 03:52.58 | stopher | Sending on Socket/Fallback |
| 03:53.16 | stopher | DHCPDISCOVER on eth1 to 255.255.255.255 port 67 interval <variable> |
| 03:53.23 | stopher | several times over |
| 03:53.30 | penp | so it never gets an IP |
| 03:53.48 | stopher | No DHCPOFFERS recieved /new line/ No working leases in persistent database - sleeping. |
| 03:54.11 | Chile` | stopher: I wouldn't go for perl 5.10 |
| 03:54.26 | Chile` | bah, damn autocomplete. s/stopher/sauvin/ |
| 03:54.30 | stopher | lol |
| 03:55.47 | sauvin | Why would you not go for perl 5.10? |
| 03:55.58 | pipeline | sauvin: it doesn't matter |
| 03:56.17 | pipeline | sauvin: everything will break if perl installs itself as /usr/bin/perl |
| 03:56.19 | pipeline | sauvin: BUT |
| 03:56.35 | penp | stopher: i'd check your router's dhcp configs i guess |
| 03:56.37 | Chile` | sauvin: run 'locate .pl' - the worrying ones for me are latex & sendmail. looks like ant has a fair bit of perl, too. |
| 03:56.38 | sauvin | "but"? |
| 03:56.40 | pipeline | sauvin: perl names its libraries based on version, so you can undo the damage pretty quickly if that happens |
| 03:56.45 | pipeline | Chile`: bad move |
| 03:56.51 | Chile` | eh? |
| 03:56.52 | penp | stopher: make sure you have no mac deny rules or something else weird going on |
| 03:56.56 | pipeline | Chile`: most perl scripts will not end in .pl :P |
| 03:57.15 | Chile` | pipeline: as a quick scan, it's not bad :p |
| 03:57.30 | pipeline | Chile`: file /usr/bin/* | grep -i perl |
| 03:57.33 | stopher | nope, nothing like that. no other computers have any problems. this computer wouldn't even find apt-sources on install |
| 03:57.35 | pipeline | sauvin: good move |
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| 03:57.52 | pipeline | Chile`: It's lousy even as a first approximation. |
| 03:57.53 | sauvin | It means if I'm careful, I can have my cake and eat it, too. |
| 03:58.22 | pipeline | sauvin: Yup/ |
| 03:58.46 | pipeline | sauvin: You'll have to rebuild all perl libs for 5.10, and many of them will fail. |
| 03:58.58 | Chile` | pipeline: point taken. |
| 03:59.02 | penp | stopher: and ifconfig shows the device exists right |
| 03:59.10 | penp | stopher: actually, try uh |
| 03:59.12 | pipeline | Chile`: lesson: don't break perl :) |
| 03:59.15 | stopher | yes, just doesn't show an ip or anyhting |
| 03:59.19 | Chile` | pipeline: I don't touch perl ;) |
| 03:59.22 | penp | stopher: ifdown eth1 |
| 03:59.25 | penp | stopher: ifup eth1 |
| 03:59.28 | penp | stopher: dhclient eth1 |
| 03:59.30 | penp | worth a shot |
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| 03:59.57 | sauvin | Gonna find out. |
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| 04:00.18 | sauvin | I'd have expected debian to be a prime testing ground for perl, though :\ |
| 04:00.20 | Chile` | huh. a number of the perl scripts in /usr/bin are deb-specific |
| 04:00.21 | backupp | hi how to mount a ntfs partition in busybox(booting from cdrom) ? my ntfs is in /dev/sda1 .. tried mount /dev/sda1 /mnt but couldn't work |
| 04:00.43 | pipeline | backupp: mount -t ntfs |
| 04:00.52 | pipeline | backupp: it may not be included in the kernel. |
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| 04:00.59 | penp | brb |
| 04:01.03 | stopher | penp, i got your last messages before i hopped. ifdown returned nothing, ifup returns the same set as dhclient did |
| 04:01.35 | backupp | pipeline: yup it couldn't work with -t ntfs .. what should be done to mount? |
| 04:02.21 | pipeline | backupp: nothing... it's a kernel thing. Your kernel lacks ntfs support. You can try to modprobe ntfs, but it will probably not be available. |
| 04:02.59 | penp | stopher: ok, so it's at least attempting to dhcp with eth1 when you bring it up, thats good |
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| 04:03.19 | penp | stopher: as for why its not getting an IP address.. hm |
| 04:03.35 | backupp | gee.. |
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| 04:04.14 | backupp | i just need to make a bootable cd to access the disk to restore some files..what kernel should i use? |
| 04:04.20 | backupp | i tried etch |
| 04:04.43 | penp | backupp: if thats all you need, just use knoppix |
| 04:04.45 | stopher | i'm not sure. i've only had one NIC work successfully on this server. not sure what's wrong? i changed the NIC out so the good one could go in a brand new dell server, now this one won't work with any NIC i put in it...and i just did a fresh install of etch 4.0 |
| 04:05.41 | backupp | i need a small and boot-fast kernel that can access ntfs/fat32 partitions ..ok i try knoppix! |
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| 04:06.22 | krim | xsdg: It's an internal graphics card from Intel |
| 04:06.33 | Claudio32m | how come if i type "mail root" and type a message and save it root doesnt get it but if i type "mail otheruser" he gets it? also i noticed i dont have a /var/mail/root file |
| 04:06.42 | pipeline | backupp: not small or fast, but who needs small or fast when you can have flexible? |
| 04:07.07 | `6og | Claudio32m: root doesnt get mail |
| 04:07.16 | `6og | its redirected to <other user> (check /etc/aliases) |
| 04:07.18 | xsdg | krim: by "support" do you mean "have a version of X.org that supports ... |
| 04:07.20 | xsdg | "? |
| 04:07.28 | Claudio32m | root never gets mail? |
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| 04:07.54 | abrotman | root can get mail |
| 04:07.55 | Claudio32m | oohh |
| 04:07.57 | Claudio32m | redirected |
| 04:08.02 | Claudio32m | thanks |
| 04:08.05 | abrotman | if you don't give root an alias .. it'll go to root |
| 04:08.15 | Claudio32m | ty |
| 04:08.31 | penp | stopher: what kind of card is it? |
| 04:08.38 | krim | xsdg: Yeah. The drivers for intel graphics are free so they're included in xorg but I don't know in which version it was first supported, just that it works in Ubuntu Gutsy and didn't seem to in Etch. |
| 04:08.49 | stopher | i dunno :D |
| 04:08.55 | ErichVon | Hey guys, I'm trying to get gnomad 2 working but when I try to install hotplug, it says it has to remove all these: gnome-desktop-environment gnome-power-manager gnome-volume-manager hal initramfs-tools libipoddevice0 linux-image-2.6.18-4-686 network-manager network-manager-gnome nvidia-glx nvidia-kernel-2.6.18-4-686 udev update-notifier, why is that? |
| 04:09.01 | xsdg | krim: I don't know, but google probably does |
| 04:09.13 | penp | stopher: lspci -v and see if eth1 shows up anywhere |
| 04:09.17 | xsdg | krim: and you can check the package versions in different branches with packages.debian.org |
| 04:09.18 | stopher | this one in lspci is: ADMtek NC100 Network Everywhere Fast Ethernet 10/100 |
| 04:09.23 | penp | ah ok |
| 04:09.28 | abrotman | ErichVon: it requires hotplug ? |
| 04:09.37 | stopher | shoot, evermind :D i was KVM'd into the wrong server when i did lspci :D |
| 04:09.43 | pipeline | krim: what chipset do you have? |
| 04:09.47 | xsdg | stopher: heh |
| 04:09.47 | abrotman | !depends gnomad2 etch |
| 04:09.57 | ErichVon | abrotman: It says it does in this article http://gnomad2.sourceforge.net/?section=article |
| 04:10.07 | pipeline | krim: just about any intel graphics should work minus the kernel driver, even in sarge, much less etch. |
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| 04:10.16 | ErichVon | I tried without it, but it says it can't find a jukebox |
| 04:10.39 | stopher | Ok, penp, Ethernet Controller: 3com corp 3c905B 100BaseTX [Cyclone] (rev 30) |
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| 04:11.14 | penp | stopher: rofl |
| 04:11.28 | stopher | penp: ? |
| 04:11.29 | krim | xsdg: I googled it before and it *seems* like 7.3 but when I do 'aptitude show xorg' in Ubuntu it says 1.7.2 so I'm not sure what to think. |
| 04:12.03 | abrotman | new versioning |
| 04:12.05 | abrotman | !info xorg lenny |
| 04:12.12 | abrotman | stupid bot |
| 04:12.16 | abrotman | @info xorg lenny |
| 04:12.20 | penp | stopher: the kvm thing |
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| 04:12.36 | stopher | penp: yeah :D that was the only thing i goofed on tho, all other info was from the right server :D |
| 04:12.50 | ravenbird | xorg: (X.Org X Window System), section x11, is optional. Version: 1:7.2-5 (lenny), Packaged size: 20 kB, Installed size: 48 kB |
| 04:12.58 | abrotman | argh |
| 04:13.06 | penp | stopher: stopher you can try adding lines for the specific gateway and netmask your router uses, and see if it works after ifdown/ifup |
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| 04:13.16 | krim | pipeline: G33, when I tried installing Etch it didn't seem like it worked. Don't remember exactly why now though, I think it 'lagged' when selecting in desktop, just like with my old radeon 9800. |
| 04:13.18 | backupp | pipeline: somebody who doesn't have a fast internet connection ;p.. i need something real light (without GUI) is ok.. |
| 04:13.21 | stopher | penp: uhhh what? |
| 04:13.31 | penp | stopher: just by adding gateway (ip) and netmask (255.x.x.x) on separate lines below the iface line of /etc/network/interfaces |
| 04:13.39 | xsdg | krim: is it 1.7.2 or 1:7.2? |
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| 04:13.48 | penp | stopher: should be a setting you can find on your router |
| 04:13.53 | backupp | just need to be bootable in cdrom/usb thumbdrive and access fat32/ntfs partition |
| 04:14.08 | penp | stopher: i have no idea dude, im just trying all the shit i would try :p |
| 04:14.09 | xsdg | krim: 1:7.2 would mean 7.2 (which means they may have backported the driver) |
| 04:14.17 | pipeline | backupp: tom's root/boot might have ntfs read |
| 04:14.18 | bettong | stupid progam/s |
| 04:14.19 | stopher | penp: ok so in /etc/network/interfaces add two lines: gateway xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx /new line/ netmask xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx |
| 04:14.29 | pipeline | krim: what the hell is g33? |
| 04:14.32 | krim | xsdg: Sorry I didn't even notice it was a : |
| 04:14.35 | penp | stopher: yeah, below the line 'iface eth1 blah blah' |
| 04:14.38 | stopher | kk |
| 04:14.52 | penp | stopher: then try ifdown/ifup again |
| 04:15.12 | pipeline | krim: haha |
| 04:15.37 | krim | xsdg: It should be 1:7.2-5ubuntu13, and I *think* I remember reading that Gutsy was the first version of Ubuntu to support the G33 |
| 04:16.02 | pipeline | krim: looks like you do indeed have something unsupported. |
| 04:16.04 | Rusty1_ | stopher the 255.255.255.255 netmask looks suspicious try ifconfig ethx down, then ifconfig ethx up it should prolly be 255.255.255.0 |
| 04:16.12 | pipeline | krim: in that it's not an i810 derivative. |
| 04:17.13 | stopher | hmm network unreachable |
| 04:17.19 | xsdg | krim: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xserver-xorg-video-intel/+bug/121443 seems related |
| 04:17.38 | xsdg | krim: unfortunately, I'm not sure how that might help you. I'd say try lenny and see if it works for you |
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| 04:18.18 | Rusty1_ | stopher paste the output of ifconfig somewhere |
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| 04:19.01 | stopher | gah. that's a lot of hand-typing something out :| |
| 04:19.12 | krim | xsdg: Yeah, guess I'll just have to install and see what happens. |
| 04:19.21 | xsdg | krim: good luck :o) |
| 04:19.37 | xsdg | krim: if anything, you can look for a lenny backport of X.org 7.3 |
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| 04:20.52 | Benzi | I did apt-get install ttf-gfs-neohellenic, and kde can see my new font, but openoffice can't. Why? |
| 04:21.46 | krim | xsdg: Well I was planning on using Lenny, but I read that xorg is only at version 1:7.2-5, but it should be updated to 1:7.3+8 in a few days... hopefully. |
| 04:22.08 | xsdg | yeah |
| 04:22.21 | xsdg | 7.3+8 is in SID, so hope for no RC bugs :o) |
| 04:22.27 | xsdg | s#SID#sid# |
| 04:22.49 | stopher | penp, Rusty1_: http://pastebin.ca/832403 |
| 04:22.59 | stopher | hand-typed so may be some cap, punct. errors |
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| 04:23.19 | J3nS0 | hi |
| 04:23.32 | J3nS0 | i have a problem with my server |
| 04:23.48 | J3nS0 | i cant find the linux-headers for 2.6.20.20-071010a |
| 04:24.09 | techouse | can ayn of you name me a good ftp client? |
| 04:24.19 | stopher | techouse: filezilla :D |
| 04:24.28 | penp | techouse: ftp :p |
| 04:24.35 | techouse | i use fireftp atm |
| 04:24.50 | techouse | but i want something standalone :) |
| 04:25.01 | stopher | standalone server or client" |
| 04:25.06 | techouse | and something gui |
| 04:25.07 | techouse | client |
| 04:25.09 | stopher | Rusty1_, penp: anything? |
| 04:25.21 | penp | stopher: i have no idea man, im sorry |
| 04:25.35 | stopher | damn. it's ok. thanks for your help! |
| 04:25.48 | techouse | i tried kftp and it's crap |
| 04:25.55 | J3nS0 | can anybody help me ? |
| 04:26.34 | y | "fdisk /dev/disk-s3 is not a character device or a regular file" -- troubleshoot? |
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| 04:26.53 | krim | techouse: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_FTP_clients :) |
| 04:27.11 | J3nS0 | :-( |
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| 04:27.25 | Rusty1_ | stopher try : pump -i eth1 |
| 04:27.28 | simonrvn | jelly: do you remember the command to see what sort of vga settings the bios supports (for bootloader conf)? i don't remember the name of the thing |
| 04:28.02 | stopher | Rusty1_: bash:pump: command not found |
| 04:28.08 | simonrvn | ...or anyone else for that matter |
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| 04:28.26 | Rusty1_ | k, try dhclient eth1 |
| 04:28.29 | simonrvn | so install it |
| 04:28.33 | J3nS0 | streuner german? |
| 04:28.39 | techouse | omg! midnight commander can do it :D |
| 04:28.41 | simonrvn | oh no inet, nm =) |
| 04:28.42 | techouse | hahahahaha! |
| 04:30.48 | stopher | DHCPDISCOVER on eth1 to 255.255.255.255 port 67 interval <variable> again |
| 04:30.51 | stopher | repeats |
| 04:30.52 | J3nS0 | i have the kernel 2.6.20.20-071010a but i cant find the headers |
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| 04:31.33 | J3nS0 | damn my english is very bad |
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| 04:33.49 | J3nS0 | its very important :-( |
| 04:34.03 | J3nS0 | i must build a kernel module |
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| 04:45.05 | grub | !search vlc |
| 04:46.17 | Kamping_Kaiser | !find vlc |
| 04:47.12 | Kamping_Kaiser | &find vlc |
| 04:47.29 | Kamping_Kaiser | aptitude seems to be alive |
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| 04:47.39 | aptitude | Debian Search of 'vlc' (5 of 16): (/usr/bin/vlc-fbx) in sound/freeplayer ;; (/usr/include/video/vlc.h) in libdevel/libmpeg3-dev ;; (/usr/include/gavlconfig.h) in libdevel/libgavl-dev ;; (/usr/share/doc/vlc-plugin-esd) in graphics/vlc-plugin-esd ;; (/usr/share/doc/vlc-plugin-sdl) in graphics/vlc-plugin-sdl. |
| 04:51.07 | grub | hmm |
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| 04:54.24 | click170 | Is 32 bit Debian able to address more then 3.3GB of memory? I know thats the limit of some other, lesser OSs |
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| 04:55.03 | Kamping_Kaiser | 4GB is the limit of 32bit platforms full stop |
| 04:55.45 | y | how to repair an unmounted disk with startup errors? |
| 04:55.54 | y | (debian) |
| 04:55.58 | Kamping_Kaiser | y fsck |
| 04:56.29 | penp | fsck -Cfy |
| 04:57.07 | y | i should mention the disk is not currently mountable |
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| 04:58.04 | y | that change things? |
| 04:58.25 | penp | y: you could try fsck.ext3 -Cfy /dev etc |
| 04:58.38 | penp | or whatever the executable for that type is |
| 05:00.43 | y | So here's something weird. |
| 05:00.49 | y | fdisk -l shows /dev/sda1 |
| 05:00.55 | y | yet there is no sda1 within /dev/ |
| 05:01.13 | backupp | pipeline: thanks i've boot up using tom's boot.. but the problem now is after mounting it says it is only Read-only for ntfs.. |
| 05:01.15 | backupp | how do i write? |
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| 05:04.06 | penp | y: are you sure its not there? |
| 05:04.19 | y | I swear. |
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| 05:05.43 | Drako69 | is there anyone around who could help me setup lirc on a laptop |
| 05:06.48 | penp | y: can you run fsck on it if you target that partition? |
| 05:07.04 | y | I can't target the partition .... oh wait. |
| 05:07.08 | y | i think i see what you're saying. |
| 05:07.13 | y | let me check. |
| 05:07.19 | y | fsck -t? |
| 05:07.22 | penp | hum |
| 05:08.06 | penp | try uh |
| 05:08.17 | penp | fsck -Cfy -t ext3 /dev/sda1 |
| 05:08.21 | penp | if it's ext3 anyway |
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| 05:08.51 | y | no such file. haha |
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| 05:09.17 | penp | does /dev/sd anything show up? |
| 05:09.18 | jackolas | Hello |
| 05:09.25 | penp | or /dev/hdx lol |
| 05:09.26 | y | sda is there |
| 05:09.29 | penp | ok |
| 05:09.32 | penp | but not sda1? |
| 05:09.34 | y | (I am using Ubuntu, I lied. haha) |
| 05:09.36 | y | not sda1 |
| 05:09.43 | penp | try the same command on dev/sda |
| 05:09.54 | Drako69 | y are you running SATA or PATA drives? |
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| 05:10.08 | y | ...IDE? |
| 05:10.17 | jackolas | I can't for the life of me figure out how to make this source compile |
| 05:10.19 | penp | ide = pata |
| 05:10.21 | penp | if the drive is ide |
| 05:10.23 | jackolas | let me drag up the error |
| 05:10.27 | penp | it should be showing up as hdx |
| 05:10.36 | ameyer | although Ubuntu largely uses libata |
| 05:10.41 | penp | oh yeah |
| 05:10.42 | penp | nevermind |
| 05:10.45 | y | penp, for some reason Ubuntu naming scheme ... yeah, what ameyer said. |
| 05:10.47 | penp | ubuntu will prolly see it as sd |
| 05:10.53 | penp | :| |
| 05:10.53 | ameyer | in recent-ish releases |
| 05:11.01 | penp | which |
| 05:11.03 | jackolas | Makefile:24: *** Kernel in /lib/modules/2.6.18-5-686/build is not configured. Stop. |
| 05:11.03 | ameyer | and #debian isn't #ubuntu |
| 05:11.07 | penp | i think is a lame change |
| 05:11.11 | y | I was able to mount that dead Apple drive but now the huge HD for me to backup to is broken |
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| 05:11.13 | Drako69 | hmm haven't used ubuntu since hoary |
| 05:11.14 | penp | it just makes things confusing |
| 05:11.15 | jackolas | How would I go about configuring that kernel? |
| 05:11.16 | jackolas | :D |
| 05:11.16 | y | it is a lame change, i can't wait to DUMP ubuntu! |
| 05:11.38 | ameyer | it's why feisty didn't have a release candidate |
| 05:11.49 | jackolas | Neither did gutsy |
| 05:11.51 | jackolas | >.< |
| 05:11.52 | y | Ubuntu is a mess that should be buried promptly. |
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| 05:12.00 | Drako69 | anyone familiar with lirc on a laptop? |
| 05:12.08 | y | But anywho. |
| 05:12.09 | ameyer | and happened after the kernel freeze, I believe |
| 05:12.16 | truz_`24 | lol there are always haters for what ever exists in life. |
| 05:12.22 | ameyer | or was it feature freeze |
| 05:12.22 | penp | Drako69: nope |
| 05:12.28 | y | truz_'24 I am a tried and tested hater of Ubuntu |
| 05:12.28 | jackolas | I need some help with configuring that kernel it seems |
| 05:12.38 | jackolas | Anyone knowing or willing |
| 05:13.40 | Drako69 | lirc would be alot easier if i could just figure out what chipset the IR is |
| 05:13.57 | foobar | hi, how do I access servers in different countries in my company network using hostname?? |
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| 05:14.57 | lisper | hi |
| 05:15.04 | foobar | I can ping all these servers in Windows without problem, and I think I need some tricks to do that in Linux |
| 05:15.40 | lisper | I don't seem to find the netinstall cd for testing. Where can I find it? |
| 05:17.19 | penp | lisper: just install etch base install, then update sources.list and do apt-get upgrade |
| 05:17.31 | penp | lisper: the lenny install discs are buggy from what i hear |
| 05:18.27 | lisper | penp: I know, it's just that etch is terribly outdated |
| 05:18.36 | linux_jones | why doersnt dpkg work? |
| 05:18.53 | lisper | linux_jones: tell us it's output |
| 05:19.25 | penp | lisper: hardware issues? |
| 05:20.03 | linux_jones | no i mean the little dpkg guy here |
| 05:20.07 | lisper | kind of, it's hardware and software issue. I'm writing a huge line describing this mess, just hang on |
| 05:20.15 | penp | lisper: I think this is for testing installer images: http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ |
| 05:21.01 | penp | yeah |
| 05:21.01 | penp | http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/daily-builds/daily/arch-latest/i386/iso-cd/debian-testing-i386-netinst.iso |
| 05:21.01 | linux_jones | does anyone know the ndiswrapper one-liner? |
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| 05:21.08 | penp | one-liner? |
| 05:21.16 | Kamping_Kaiser | !ndiswrapper |
| 05:21.20 | Kamping_Kaiser | &ndiswrapper |
| 05:21.20 | aptitude | i guess ndiswrapper is a way to wrap Windows drivers so that they can be used on Linux (x86 or x86-64 only). If there is a Linux driver for your card, first consider that instead; if there isn't, ask me about <ndiswrapper one-liner> to set up NDISwrapper. #ndiswrapper @ irc.freenode.net. |
| 05:21.38 | Kamping_Kaiser | &tell linux_jones about ndiswrapper one-liner |
| 05:21.46 | penp | !ask ndiswrapper one-liner |
| 05:21.59 | penp | !help |
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| 05:22.39 | foobar | hi, I can ping some servers in different domains by ip, but not by hostname |
| 05:22.39 | Kamping_Kaiser | penp, what? |
| 05:22.54 | Kamping_Kaiser | foobar, check resolv.conf |
| 05:22.54 | foobar | do I need to be inside one of the domains so that it can translate the hostname? |
| 05:23.07 | Kamping_Kaiser | foobar, you need to check your dns setup |
| 05:23.09 | foobar | do I need to be inside one of the domains so that it can translate the hostname? |
| 05:23.20 | Kamping_Kaiser | foobar, stop spamming. |
| 05:23.37 | foobar | Kamping_Kaiser: hi, those servers are internal machine |
| 05:23.44 | penp | ndiswrapper one-liner is apt-get install build-essential ndiswrapper-source module-assistant && m-a a-i ndiswrapper |
| 05:23.52 | Kamping_Kaiser | foobar, and you dont have internal dns? |
| 05:23.59 | foobar | Kamping_Kaiser: I have no problem resolving internet servers |
| 05:24.04 | Kamping_Kaiser | penp, we've established that yes. |
| 05:24.12 | Kamping_Kaiser | thats not what i asked |
| 05:24.30 | penp | ah ok |
| 05:24.34 | penp | nevermind, i misread earlier |
| 05:24.38 | foobar | Kamping_Kaiser: I do, but I am not sure if I have to join the domain or not |
| 05:24.51 | Kamping_Kaiser | penp, you need to signal aptitude with &, dpkg seems to be awol |
| 05:24.57 | penp | ah ok |
| 05:25.05 | penp | thx |
| 05:25.17 | Kamping_Kaiser | foobar, unless your dns servers are restricted to the domain somehow (AD?) you shouldnt need to |
| 05:25.20 | Kamping_Kaiser | np |
| 05:25.31 | foobar | Kamping_Kaiser: I manage to ping them using Windows without problem |
| 05:25.57 | Kamping_Kaiser | foobar, and how are the windows systems configured for dns? |
| 05:26.08 | foobar | Kamping_Kaiser: those domains are AD-based.. |
| 05:26.32 | xuser | why do users always mention apt-get and not aptitude? |
| 05:26.43 | Kamping_Kaiser | foobar, 'domains' being dns or login? |
| 05:26.45 | xuser | i find aptitude better. |
| 05:26.47 | foobar | Kamping_Kaiser: do I need to modify my samba or something? |
| 05:27.02 | Kamping_Kaiser | xuser, not everyone likes/uses aptitude, and apt-get is less prone to exploding |
| 05:27.07 | foobar | Kamping_Kaiser: domains being login |
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| 05:27.29 | penp | xuser: it's really a user preference thing |
| 05:27.41 | Kamping_Kaiser | foobar, i dont know about AD and dns. check your servers network setting sand check where they do their dns lookups. make sure your debian box looks in the same place |
| 05:27.48 | foobar | Kamping_Kaiser: before I switched to linux, I used to have to login to one of the domains using Windows.. |
| 05:27.49 | penp | xuser: they handle dependencies slightly differently |
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| 05:28.16 | Kamping_Kaiser | yay! 50% of my download complete! only 24 hours to go >.< |
| 05:28.30 | xuser | penp: i see... |
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| 05:28.56 | foobar | Kamping_Kaiser: Okay, thanks |
| 05:28.57 | Kamping_Kaiser | foobar, maybe so. but that doesnt relate in the slightest to what i told you |
| 05:29.00 | Kamping_Kaiser | np :) |
| 05:29.24 | maddash | !tiny gmail client |
| 05:29.27 | foobar | that helps though |
| 05:29.43 | Kamping_Kaiser | maddash, use &, no dpkg |
| 05:29.51 | maddash | &tiny gmail client |
| 05:29.54 | maddash | &ping |
| 05:29.55 | aptitude | pong |
| 05:30.02 | Kamping_Kaiser | &dpkg is awol |
| 05:30.03 | aptitude | ...but dpkg is already something else... |
| 05:30.33 | maddash | Kamping_Kaiser: thanks |
| 05:30.39 | Kamping_Kaiser | maddash, np |
| 05:30.42 | jackolas | upgrading kernel |
| 05:30.48 | jackolas | mine is dereadfully old |
| 05:31.04 | maddash | dpkg is chiillin' with Santa |
| 05:31.21 | Kamping_Kaiser | nodpkg |
| 05:31.29 | Kamping_Kaiser | &nodpkg |
| 05:31.30 | aptitude | well, nodpkg is the usual bot dpkg is AWOL. try signaling me instead with & |
| 05:31.37 | Kamping_Kaiser | woot. |
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| 05:33.01 | norbac | hi ppl .... I have a problem with debian I can't connect to the internet can some one help me |
| 05:33.14 | Kamping_Kaiser | norbac, whats up? |
| 05:33.37 | norbac | HI Kamping |
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| 05:34.22 | norbac | ... look the problem as I see it is like debian can't read the configuration of the router .. I mean can get a ip addres ... |
| 05:34.34 | norbac | the router is configured to do so obviously |
| 05:34.59 | Kamping_Kaiser | can you explain the problem your experiancing? |
| 05:35.01 | norbac | ... I know that the router is not the problem cause .. I have other pc and it work ok .. that pc has windows |
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| 05:35.53 | norbac | I can't even ping the router :( |
| 05:36.06 | Kamping_Kaiser | have you checked the cable is ok? |
| 05:36.39 | norbac | when I don't even have ip routing table |
| 05:36.45 | norbac | yes the cable is ok |
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| 05:36.57 | Kamping_Kaiser | whats your network card? |
| 05:37.10 | y | Some way to pipe DD through zip compression in one felll swoop? |
| 05:37.16 | norbac | in that same pc .. i have installed win .. and when I star with it .. the internet works ok |
| 05:38.01 | Kamping_Kaiser | whats your network card? |
| 05:38.19 | lisper | penp: ok, I wrote the long line but it would use like 6 full lines if I pasted it in the channel. Should I use pastebin? |
| 05:38.29 | norbac | the network card is realteck ..do you know more info? to check it |
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| 05:39.54 | norbac | it used to work .... but I downloaded some updates 6 or 7 months ago and it stopped working O_o |
| 05:40.05 | Kamping_Kaiser | norbac, 'lspci' |
| 05:41.09 | norbac | Ethernet controller: Realtek Semiconfuctor .... |
| 05:41.27 | lisper | penp: http://pastebin.com/d508d0137 |
| 05:42.00 | lisper | anyone using compiz on Debian (testing repos) with KDE: http://pastebin.com/d508d0137 |
| 05:42.22 | Kamping_Kaiser | norbac, more details please |
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| 05:44.05 | norbac | 02:02.0 Ethernet controller: Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd. RTL-8139/8139C/8139C+ (REV 10) |
| 05:44.34 | iateadonut | is debian pronounced "debbie en", "debbie on", "duh BI ON", or "duh BI en" |
| 05:44.55 | lisper | btw, when is christmas? I thought it was yesterday but there are dudes celebrating it right now |
| 05:45.21 | iateadonut | it's still christmas in los angelas |
| 05:45.27 | iateadonut | but not in new york |
| 05:45.30 | norbac | Kamping you think is a controller problem?? |
| 05:45.34 | y | How can I compress the results of an ISO created by DD as its created? |
| 05:45.47 | Kamping_Kaiser | norbac, i suspect your card requires firmware |
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| 05:46.23 | lisper | penp: did you check the pastebin? |
| 05:47.23 | norbac | .... but like I said .. it used to work, before I did that updating |
| 05:47.30 | Kamping_Kaiser | norbac, i'm not sure now, i'm seeing on the net that people have the card working. have you checked your network configuration? |
| 05:47.47 | Claudio32m | how long does it take for dns changes to propagonate fully around the world? an A record more specifically |
| 05:48.11 | Kamping_Kaiser | Claudio32m, from 5 minutes to 72 hours |
| 05:48.12 | norbac | actually I suppose that is problem |
| 05:48.23 | Claudio32m | Kamping_Kaiser - what are the factors? |
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| 05:48.35 | Kamping_Kaiser | depending on the start and finish points of 'fully', speed of the server updates (both client+server) |
| 05:48.44 | Kamping_Kaiser | caches at isps/etc |
| 05:48.55 | norbac | how can I configure it so that it gets the ip given by the routher |
| 05:49.11 | Claudio32m | Kamping_Kaiser by the way just got done with sendmail, wasnt that bad |
| 05:49.14 | Kamping_Kaiser | norbac, run 'dhclient eth0 |
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| 05:49.18 | Kamping_Kaiser | as root. do you get an IP? |
| 05:49.21 | Claudio32m | waiting for my mx record to become active |
| 05:49.32 | nadio | What is pci hotplug used for? |
| 05:49.32 | Kamping_Kaiser | Claudio32m, whats the domain? |
| 05:49.48 | Claudio32m | learningshells.com |
| 05:49.57 | norbac | nop, not even as a route |
| 05:50.04 | norbac | oops O_o I mean root |
| 05:50.17 | Kamping_Kaiser | Claudio32m, i've got you. |
| 05:50.23 | Claudio32m | cool |
| 05:50.24 | Kamping_Kaiser | s/you/you7r record |
| 05:50.31 | Claudio32m | but |
| 05:50.33 | Kamping_Kaiser | norbac, pastebin the output of that command thanks |
| 05:50.37 | Kamping_Kaiser | &tell norbac about pastebin |
| 05:50.55 | Claudio32m | the machine whhere my mail server lives isnt fully progagated |
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| 05:51.04 | Claudio32m | so its worked half and half i think |
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| 05:51.25 | Kamping_Kaiser | Claudio32m, do you have your mail server with the correct MX records? |
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| 05:51.57 | Claudio32m | yes.. my MX record is simply a host.domain.com that points to my server |
| 05:52.03 | Claudio32m | which sendmail listens on 25/587 |
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| 05:52.14 | Claudio32m | but i just created that subdomain name |
| 05:52.20 | Claudio32m | so i dont think its fully active |
| 05:52.24 | Claudio32m | thats why i asked earlier |
| 05:52.36 | Kamping_Kaiser | subdomain being 'host' 'mail'...? |
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| 05:52.39 | Claudio32m | yes |
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| 05:52.45 | Claudio32m | mail |
| 05:53.03 | penp | sorry one sec |
| 05:53.05 | Claudio32m | the mailhost.domain.com |
| 05:53.19 | norbac | O_o I don't have that command :s |
| 05:53.50 | Kamping_Kaiser | norbac, what command? |
| 05:54.21 | penp | lisper: i used xorg/nvidia drivers from sid w/ compiz fusion |
| 05:54.24 | penp | lisper: in testing |
| 05:54.29 | penp | lisper: and it worked for me perfectly |
| 05:54.37 | norbac | Kamping .. dhclient |
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| 05:55.25 | Kamping_Kaiser | norbac, sure your running it as root? |
| 05:55.44 | lisper | penp: did you use shame's repo? |
| 05:55.57 | norbac | yes, sure |
| 05:55.58 | penp | lisper: i dont remember which repo i used for compiz fusion |
| 05:56.04 | penp | lisper: and im not on that box atm, sorry |
| 05:56.19 | lisper | no problem |
| 05:56.22 | Claudio32m | Kamping_Kaiser - is it common practive to put domain.com in /etc/hosts or the machinename.domain.com ? |
| 05:56.30 | norbac | .. maybe in the last update that I did .. there were some odd problems O_o |
| 05:57.25 | Kamping_Kaiser | norbac, do you have the package dhcp3-client installed? |
| 05:57.28 | norbac | how can I configure the net manually? |
| 05:57.56 | Kamping_Kaiser | Claudio32m, usually you put both, with their relevent IPs |
| 05:58.06 | norbac | how can I find if I have that package by the command line? |
| 05:58.28 | Claudio32m | domain.com would be the static ip? |
| 05:58.38 | Claudio32m | and machine.domain.com would be the internal ip? |
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| 05:58.47 | Kamping_Kaiser | norbac, `dpkg -l dhcp3-client` |
| 05:58.52 | y | norba apt-cache list |
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| 05:59.24 | Kamping_Kaiser | Claudio32m, its whichever ip makes sense - if the machine is only intenreal, use the internal ip. if it does external services, you may want the external ip |
| 05:59.34 | Kamping_Kaiser | or you may have external services listening on a different interface |
| 05:59.59 | penp | bbiab |
| 06:01.11 | bucky | norbac, run dhclient as root |
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| 06:01.26 | norbac | Kamping O_o .. nop .. I don't have that package |
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| 06:01.51 | Kamping_Kaiser | norbac, thats the problem then. |
| 06:01.59 | Kamping_Kaiser | whatever you 'updated' removed stuff. |
| 06:02.10 | Kamping_Kaiser | was did you update from -> to? |
| 06:02.17 | norbac | can I configure the net manually? so I can I get that package? |
| 06:02.30 | extor | If I have a remote box which has no X installed..can I run an X/Gnome/KDE app on that remote box and somehow "export" its visuals to my home box that runs X? |
| 06:02.55 | norbac | to be honest that was like 7 months ago .... I can't remember .. O_o |
| 06:03.12 | Kamping_Kaiser | &tell norbac about interfaces |
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| 06:04.01 | Claudio32m | is it important the local loopback address be in /etc/hosts? |
| 06:04.04 | Claudio32m | or can we do without |
| 06:05.08 | Kamping_Kaiser | you have to be *very very* sure you know what your doing to remove it |
| 06:05.10 | Kamping_Kaiser | ie. leave it there |
| 06:05.24 | norbac | ok, thanks kamping |
| 06:05.25 | Claudio32m | allright i'll leave it |
| 06:05.29 | Claudio32m | thanks |
| 06:05.36 | Kamping_Kaiser | np both |
| 06:07.27 | Kamping_Kaiser | afk 10 minutes. |
| 06:07.38 | Kamping_Kaiser | remember & to signal the bot :) |
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| 06:08.20 | y | how is debian's hardware support? usb, etc? |
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| 06:08.46 | JordiGH | stew: Hey, how long has tritium been in SF? |
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| 06:11.45 | coondogster | anyone have an idea of what can cause noise from the speakers to happen if you roll the mouse wheel? |
| 06:12.50 | \amethyst | coondogster: even when it doesn't scroll anything? |
| 06:13.13 | coondogster | there is still some noise but more comes if I scroll |
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| 06:13.50 | coondogster | also if the mouse is moving |
| 06:14.23 | \amethyst | poor shielding on the sound card perhaps |
| 06:14.47 | \amethyst | I noticed the same thing when I had a Sound Blaster Pro |
| 06:14.55 | \amethyst | mostly when the screen scrolled, though |
| 06:15.26 | vorpal | monitor? |
| 06:15.38 | \amethyst | yeah, is it CRT? |
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| 06:16.20 | coondogster | flat screen |
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| 06:16.58 | \amethyst | probably the video card then... I've not had a sound card that does that and a flat panel at the same time |
| 06:16.59 | coondogster | lcd |
| 06:17.15 | vorpal | years ago, my cell phone would cause noise in my speakers and artifacts on my CRT when i was receiving a call |
| 06:17.48 | coondogster | how do I find out which sound method I have? |
| 06:18.12 | \amethyst | hmm |
| 06:18.18 | vorpal | the wierdest thing i've seen is the effect of a MRI instrument on nearby CRTs |
| 06:18.21 | \amethyst | coondogster: found this: http://mail-index.netbsd.org/port-i386/2005/01/17/0005.html |
| 06:18.48 | \amethyst | coondogster: which suggests it's noise in the power |
| 06:18.58 | \amethyst | coondogster: And suggests getting a better sound card |
| 06:19.24 | \amethyst | coondogster: try lspci | grep -i audio |
| 06:19.38 | Claudio32m | Kamping_Kaiser - when i send emails from gmail to my debian box i receive them fine, but gmail can't receive emails from my system, is this normal right now? |
| 06:19.47 | Claudio32m | and they dont bounce back either |
| 06:20.01 | cast | Claudio32m: checked the spam follder right? |
| 06:20.07 | Claudio32m | hang on let me check |
| 06:20.16 | Claudio32m | checked |
| 06:20.17 | Claudio32m | not there |
| 06:20.23 | xsdg | Claudio32m: do you see anything useful in /var/log/<your MTA>/ ? |
| 06:20.29 | Claudio32m | let me check |
| 06:20.44 | cast | Claudio32m: and try emailing some other non-gmail accounts :> |
| 06:21.05 | Claudio32m | yes |
| 06:21.09 | Claudio32m | i see some errors |
| 06:21.13 | Claudio32m | in mail.log |
| 06:21.20 | Claudio32m | cause my MTA is /bin/mail |
| 06:21.34 | xsdg | Claudio32m: what's the name of your MTA? |
| 06:21.39 | Claudio32m | sendmail |
| 06:21.51 | xsdg | fun :o) |
| 06:21.55 | xsdg | Claudio32m: what are the errors about? |
| 06:22.08 | Claudio32m | stat=Deferred: Connection refused by [127.0.0.1] |
| 06:22.31 | \amethyst | coondogster: which do you use for volume control: master or PCM channel mixer settings, or a knob on the speakers? |
| 06:22.47 | xsdg | Claudio32m: is there something listening on 127.0.0.1:25? |
| 06:22.55 | Claudio32m | netstat -a ? |
| 06:22.59 | xsdg | yup |
| 06:23.10 | xsdg | sorry |
| 06:23.11 | Claudio32m | no |
| 06:23.16 | xsdg | Claudio32m: netstat -nltap is better |
| 06:23.21 | gouki | Anyone here ever tried running a openarena server? |
| 06:23.23 | xsdg | Claudio32m: ok, that's your problem :o) |
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| 06:23.37 | xsdg | Claudio32m: what happens if you try /etc/init.d/sendmail start? |
| 06:23.40 | Claudio32m | but i did a port test |
| 06:23.43 | Claudio32m | it was successfull |
| 06:23.45 | \amethyst | it might be on 0.0.0.0:25 instead |
| 06:23.46 | Claudio32m | on 25 and 587 |
| 06:23.49 | Claudio32m | from an outside web site |
| 06:23.55 | xsdg | \amethyst: true; my bad |
| 06:23.58 | jetscreamer | my fucking computer had a meltdown, i had to break out the old backup |
| 06:24.06 | xsdg | jetscreamer: :o( |
| 06:24.07 | jetscreamer | hardware |
| 06:24.10 | Claudio32m | tcp 0 0 192.168.1.104:25 |
| 06:24.18 | Claudio32m | i set it like that in my sendmail.mc |
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| 06:24.27 | Claudio32m | which makes sense |
| 06:24.35 | jetscreamer | usb drives need usb2.0 eh... this mb doesn't have it |
| 06:24.44 | xsdg | Claudio32m: it needs to listen on 127.0.0.1 also |
| 06:24.45 | \amethyst | Claudio32m: are you behind NAT? |
| 06:24.54 | Claudio32m | my ports are open |
| 06:24.56 | \amethyst | Claudio32m: I can connect to your SMTP just fine |
| 06:24.56 | Claudio32m | 25 and 587 |
| 06:25.02 | Claudio32m | right |
| 06:25.11 | xsdg | ameyer: on 192.168.1.104? cool ;o) |
| 06:25.11 | Claudio32m | ok so i can add another entry |
| 06:25.12 | Kamping_Kaiser | more then 10 min, but look sliek the place has picked up in my absense :) |
| 06:25.26 | Claudio32m | in sendmail.mc |
| 06:25.31 | Claudio32m | for 127.0.0.1:25 |
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| 06:25.33 | Nyle | hm |
| 06:25.36 | \amethyst | xsdg: on his public IP; I assume the router is forwarding |
| 06:25.37 | jetscreamer | why does udev decide to renumber eth0 to eth1 |
| 06:25.57 | jetscreamer | or 'under which circumstances' |
| 06:25.59 | \amethyst | jetscreamer: Did you change network cards at some point? |
| 06:26.09 | jetscreamer | yes just now when my motherboard melted |
| 06:26.12 | \amethyst | !z25 |
| 06:26.16 | xsdg | \amethyst: twas a joke :o) |
| 06:26.21 | Kamping_Kaiser | &nodpkg |
| 06:26.22 | aptitude | methinks nodpkg is the usual bot dpkg is AWOL. try signaling me instead with & |
| 06:26.26 | \amethyst | &z25 |
| 06:26.27 | aptitude | i heard z25 is as of version 0.090, udev has the ability to statically rename ethernet cards based on MAC address. The addresses are configured in /etc/udev/rules.d/z25_persistent-net.rules . If you want the mappings to change, edit that file. If you don't want udev to touch your interface names, remove that file and z45_persistent-net-generator.rules in the same directory. |
| 06:26.30 | jetscreamer | both are onboard nics |
| 06:26.32 | Claudio32m | can i have 2 of these lines ? "DAEMON_OPTIONS(`Family=inet, Name=MTA-v4, Port=smtp, Addr=192.168.1.104')dnl |
| 06:26.35 | \amethyst | jetscreamer: see the above |
| 06:26.42 | Claudio32m | one for each ip |
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| 06:27.22 | jetscreamer | ah... i was looking in /etc/udev/persistent-net-blah, but became clueless |
| 06:27.28 | jetscreamer | thankee |
| 06:28.03 | \amethyst | Claudio32m: Do you have only the one interface (plus loopback, of course)? |
| 06:28.13 | Claudio32m | yes |
| 06:28.15 | \amethyst | Claudio32m: if so, you might try 0.0.0.0 |
| 06:28.26 | Claudio32m | instead of my internal ip? |
| 06:28.31 | \amethyst | Claudio32m: yes |
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| 06:28.39 | Claudio32m | it will listen on all then right? |
| 06:28.56 | \amethyst | Claudio32m: however, I *think* you can have multiple DAEMON_OPTIONS entries |
| 06:29.27 | \amethyst | Claudio32m: I'm not 100% certain, and I don't have a machine with sendmail to test. But you can try it |
| 06:29.48 | \amethyst | Claudio32m: Note that gmail is not very likely to accept email from your address; however, you should get a bounce |
| 06:29.59 | Kamping_Kaiser | i made my maildir stop using Maildir/.dirname and using Maildir/Dirname. do i have to tell courier about the change, or is it a setting i have to try and find in my mail client? |
| 06:30.18 | \amethyst | Claudio32m: the lack of an SMTP listener on 127.0.0.1 might explain why you weren't getting bounces |
| 06:33.28 | Claudio32m | did i have to put 0.0.0.0 in just one entry? |
| 06:33.30 | Claudio32m | i put it in both |
| 06:33.33 | Claudio32m | now the reverse is happenning |
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| 06:33.38 | Claudio32m | i get it in gmail but not on linux |
| 06:33.48 | alex_ | why are my fonts all messed up every time i restart and boot into debian? |
| 06:34.07 | alex_ | even on fresh install my fonts are all messed up |
| 06:34.26 | Kamping_Kaiser | "messed up"? |
| 06:34.56 | alex_ | I can't read the title of this x-chat window for example |
| 06:35.06 | alex_ | because the pixels are all different colors |
| 06:35.09 | Kamping_Kaiser | what window manager? |
| 06:35.11 | alex_ | and some pixesl are missing |
| 06:35.20 | Kamping_Kaiser | or desktop environment |
| 06:35.31 | alex_ | is there any way to screenshot ? |
| 06:35.36 | alex_ | and paste somewhere? |
| 06:35.48 | Kamping_Kaiser | &tell alex_ about paste |
| 06:36.04 | \amethyst | alex_: Do you use gnome? |
| 06:36.05 | alex_ | ok how to screen shot? |
| 06:36.23 | alex_ | i have a game called gnometris |
| 06:36.26 | nkuttler | alex_: man import |
| 06:36.31 | \amethyst | alex_: try gnome-screenshot |
| 06:37.06 | \amethyst | Without having seen a screenshot, I suspect the problem is subpixel antialiasing |
| 06:37.13 | Claudio32m | Yes!!!! |
| 06:37.15 | Claudio32m | thanks guys!!! |
| 06:37.20 | Claudio32m | i figured it out |
| 06:37.23 | \amethyst | Claudio32m: congrats |
| 06:37.23 | alex_ | man import ? |
| 06:37.26 | Claudio32m | ty |
| 06:37.31 | alex_ | no entry |
| 06:37.38 | Kamping_Kaiser | &tell alex_ about screenshot |
| 06:37.44 | Claudio32m | this calls for a beer |
| 06:39.10 | jetscreamer | ~test |
| 06:39.11 | apt | Test Failed! |
| 06:39.18 | jetscreamer | ~lart dpkg |
| 06:39.18 | apt | executes killall -HUP dpkg |
| 06:40.28 | jetscreamer | gimp does screenshots |
| 06:40.33 | alex_ | http://picpaste.com/del/207YMIYF/Screenshot_3.png |
| 06:40.40 | alex_ | how do i fix this crap |
| 06:41.00 | alex_ | argh |
| 06:41.04 | alex_ | it's probably too small huh |
| 06:41.22 | jetscreamer | Picture successfully deleted. |
| 06:41.47 | alex_ | any picture paste not in beta? |
| 06:41.59 | jetscreamer | !paste |
| 06:42.06 | jetscreamer | ~paste |
| 06:42.07 | apt | methinks paste is http://rafb.net/paste/ |
| 06:42.14 | jetscreamer | i think dpkg knew of one |
| 06:42.23 | alex_ | i'd google but my fonts are dead |
| 06:42.25 | jetscreamer | thought rather |
| 06:42.33 | Kamping_Kaiser | alex_, what desktop are you running? |
| 06:42.58 | alex_ | what desktop? |
| 06:43.06 | Kamping_Kaiser | exactly. |
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| 06:43.11 | alex_ | like all the hardware? |
| 06:43.17 | Kamping_Kaiser | no. |
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| 06:43.32 | Kamping_Kaiser | what are you using to see the fonts? gnome? kde? twm? |
| 06:44.23 | alex_ | gnome |
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| 06:45.11 | Claudio32m | how do i change the reply to address.. it sends it to machine.domain.com rather than domain.com |
| 06:45.13 | Kamping_Kaiser | did you try selecting your locale on the gdm login window? |
| 06:45.26 | alex_ | I don't understand |
| 06:45.38 | alex_ | ok so logout and |
| 06:45.44 | alex_ | try logginb back in with different settings? |
| 06:45.47 | Kamping_Kaiser | on the gdm login screen, under 'option's theres a 'language' (or similar) |
| 06:45.55 | \amethyst | alex_: you can DCC me the file, I'll post it |
| 06:46.01 | \amethyst | hm |
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| 06:46.29 | alex_ | 'how far down are you from the top of the channel users list? i can't read it |
| 06:46.32 | coondogster | amethyst it might not be the card |
| 06:46.50 | coondogster | if I stop alsa-utils it stops |
| 06:47.01 | jetscreamer | 4th one down |
| 06:47.09 | alex_ | ok sending |
| 06:47.39 | alex_ | are you getting it \amethyst |
| 06:47.53 | jetscreamer | that's counting chanserv and debhelper |
| 06:48.06 | \amethyst | alex_: no, not seeing any messages |
| 06:48.40 | alex_ | it says in my xchat window, Offering Screenshot.png to \amethyst |
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| 06:48.52 | linux_jones | im back everyone! |
| 06:49.56 | alex_ | http://picpaste.com/del/H9kzLsRV/Screenshot_3.png |
| 06:49.59 | linux_jones | so i got a tv tuner card, and have the cable hooked up and everything, but xawtv is saying that there is no /dev/video, does that mean the tv tuner card is not working |
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| 06:50.37 | \amethyst | alex_: hmm, did they scale it down or did you? |
| 06:50.43 | alex_ | they did |
| 06:51.08 | linux_jones | or ar there certian modules i have to load for it to work |
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| 06:52.08 | linux_jones | anyone, anyone at all? |
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| 06:53.06 | \amethyst | linux_jones: do you know what chipset? |
| 06:53.09 | alex_ | hrm it fixed itself |
| 06:53.56 | alex_ | i hope i don't have to login/logout/login from now on however |
| 06:54.00 | linux_jones | \amethyst, no, its a vbox cats eye dta 150 |
| 06:54.06 | linux_jones | \amethyst, super cheap |
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| 06:56.55 | linux_jones | \amethyst, i cant find anything about the chipset |
| 06:57.03 | extor | Does anyone use cod liver oil here? |
| 06:57.05 | \amethyst | linux_jones: what does lspci say about it? |
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| 06:57.57 | linux_jones | \amethyst, nothing, want me to pastebin it? |
| 06:58.09 | linux_jones | \amethyst, its strange |
| 06:58.12 | \amethyst | alex_: There should be something in gnome-font-properties about subpixel rendering, unless you have a recent Lenny |
| 06:58.17 | norbac | see you guys later thanks for the help :) |
| 06:58.22 | \amethyst | linux_jones: sure... it is PCI, right? |
| 06:58.35 | linux_jones | \amethyst, yeah |
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| 06:59.48 | alex_ | how do i access this variable, gnome-font-properties |
| 06:59.49 | \amethyst | linux_jones: yeah, pastebin it |
| 06:59.53 | \amethyst | alex_: it's a program |
| 06:59.58 | linux_jones | http://www.pastebin.ca/832487 |
| 07:00.52 | alex_ | what's a Lenny |
| 07:00.53 | \amethyst | linux_jones: My guess is it's this "Auravision Unknown device 01f9" thing |
| 07:00.58 | \amethyst | alex_: a version of Debian |
| 07:01.09 | \amethyst | the current "testing" version |
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| 07:01.45 | linux_jones | \amethyst, a.k.a. its not supported? |
| 07:02.26 | alex_ | what's a program? gnome-font properties? |
| 07:02.55 | \amethyst | linux_jones: not necessarily |
| 07:03.12 | \amethyst | alex_: try the main menu, System -> Preferences -> Fonts |
| 07:03.30 | \amethyst | alex_: that's the GUI way to get to it |
| 07:04.08 | linux_jones | \amethyst, should i go to, say, v4l and see if maybe they can help me figure it out, because i think there is zero linux etesting of it, at least i cant fine anything |
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| 07:05.07 | \amethyst | linux_jones: maybe... btw, googling for a more recent PCI ID database shows it as a "rev_03 tuner card" |
| 07:05.35 | alex_ | ok it says: antialiasing grayscale, dpi 96, hinting, medium, rgba_order rgb |
| 07:05.39 | linux_jones | \amethyst, what does that mean? |
| 07:05.58 | Guerin | update-pciids |
| 07:06.06 | Guerin | linux_jones: ↑ |
| 07:06.07 | \amethyst | alex_: "grayscale" is what you want |
| 07:06.18 | \amethyst | alex_: it was probably set to subpixel or something like that before |
| 07:06.37 | \amethyst | linux_jones: actually, I think that's a bug in the pciids database |
| 07:07.05 | \amethyst | linux_jones: given that 01F7 and 01F8 are "VxP524 PCI Video Processor", I imagine it's a VxP524 rev 3 |
| 07:07.37 | \amethyst | linux_jones: that might help you figure out whether it's supported |
| 07:09.48 | \amethyst | linux_jones: I've not done video capture from anything but a USB web cam, so I can't help much more than that |
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| 07:12.19 | alex_ | \amethyst, you woudln't have seen anything different from normal i guess.. i just took another look at the .png and the screenshot looks fine |
| 07:12.44 | alex_ | i guess the screenshot takes a "normal" picture and my settings displayed it to me as messed up |
| 07:12.55 | \amethyst | hm |
| 07:13.33 | \amethyst | I have no clue then... something with the video card or video driver, probably, but beyond that I'm stumped |
| 07:13.45 | alex_ | heh my video card is not installed on this machine. |
| 07:13.53 | alex_ | i have Nvidia |
| 07:14.07 | \amethyst | "video card" includes onboard :) |
| 07:14.43 | alex_ | i think it has an nvidia chipset too |
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| 07:15.23 | alex_ | bleh and i was intending to learn php/mysql when i logged onto debian, not debug display settings heh |
| 07:17.08 | alex_ | what is the name of a good ftp anon package? |
| 07:17.26 | streuner | !ftp must die |
| 07:17.39 | wols | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:17.43 | Kamping_Kaiser | &tell streuner about nodpkg |
| 07:17.46 | wols | !ftpmustdie |
| 07:18.03 | \amethyst | alex_: do you mean to run an FTP server, or to connect to one? |
| 07:18.15 | alex_ | run one. |
| 07:18.15 | \amethyst | (I suspect the latter) |
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| 07:18.17 | \amethyst | oh |
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| 07:18.28 | Kamping_Kaiser | eer,k. darn ^W |
| 07:18.41 | Kamping_Kaiser | &nodpkg |
| 07:18.42 | aptitude | [nodpkg] the usual bot dpkg is AWOL. try signaling me instead with & |
| 07:18.54 | streuner | aptitude ftp must die |
| 07:18.55 | aptitude | FTP MUST DIE! http://wooledge.org/mywiki/FtpMustDie |
| 07:20.48 | streuner | aptitude test |
| 07:20.49 | aptitude | Test Failed. |
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| 07:22.31 | Guerin | aptitude: owner |
| 07:22.32 | aptitude | dondelelcaro owns me |
| 07:22.49 | streuner | heh |
| 07:22.53 | Guerin | no, he doesn't |
| 07:23.03 | Guerin | aptitude: where are you? |
| 07:23.04 | aptitude | I am located at Latitude: 33.9695129 Longitude: -117.3275986 |
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| 07:23.17 | Guerin | dpkg: where are you? |
| 07:23.29 | Guerin | hm. |
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| 07:24.07 | Booboo | is there a fat32 defragmenting tool in linux ? |
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| 07:24.39 | streuner | Guerin: i doubt that stew wrote as owner dondelelcaro into aptitude... |
| 07:24.39 | Guerin | Booboo: fsck.vfat? |
| 07:24.49 | Guerin | streuner: oh, the bot is stew's? |
| 07:25.07 | streuner | usuallly |
| 07:25.15 | Booboo | Guerin: but thats like checking the filesystem, not defragmenting it |
| 07:25.33 | Guerin | Booboo: hence the question mark. It probably has an option to defrag; looks and see. |
| 07:26.00 | streuner | aptitude: who owns you? |
| 07:26.01 | aptitude | dondelelcaro does |
| 07:26.04 | streuner | hm |
| 07:26.25 | Guerin | that's the same response as dpkg gives, and shows only that aptitude has the full dpkg factoid database |
| 07:27.02 | streuner | yeah, true |
| 07:27.06 | Guerin | however he's running as the same uid as stew (1413) |
| 07:27.34 | \amethyst | Guerin: and the whois info matches |
| 07:27.40 | Guerin | not really |
| 07:27.46 | Guerin | stew is cloaked |
| 07:27.59 | \amethyst | whois mail.vireo.net gives stew's real name |
| 07:28.04 | \amethyst | as the contact |
| 07:28.14 | Guerin | oh, ok, the actual whois database, not /whois |
| 07:28.18 | \amethyst | yeah :) |
| 07:28.18 | Guerin | <heh> |
| 07:28.41 | Guerin | you'r emuch less lazy than I |
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| 07:32.40 | streuner | aptitude, no who owns is <reply> stew does! |
| 07:32.41 | aptitude | okay, streuner |
| 07:32.57 | streuner | aptitude, no who owns you is <reply> stew does! |
| 07:32.58 | aptitude | okay, streuner |
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| 07:33.18 | lrn | hey |
| 07:33.31 | Kamping_Kaiser | does this mean dpkg will now be owned by stew? |
| 07:33.40 | streuner | no :-) |
| 07:33.47 | Kamping_Kaiser | :) |
| 07:34.01 | lrn | i want to know if i install debian and i want to give only 10GB out of 73GB for the OS i can do it in the instalattion or i need to do it in windows or something ? |
| 07:34.43 | cast | lrn: so there's a 73GB windows install on there already in a single partition? |
| 07:35.14 | wols | lrn: you do it in the installer |
| 07:35.35 | lrn | wols debian using fdisk ? |
| 07:35.44 | wols | something like fdisk, yes |
| 07:35.47 | Guerin | no, it uses parted |
| 07:35.58 | Guerin | with a curses UI |
| 07:35.59 | wols | Guerin: no, it uses partman |
| 07:36.05 | Guerin | oh, ok |
| 07:36.11 | Guerin | i knew it was part* |
| 07:36.44 | cast | partman doesn't resize ntfs, right? |
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| 07:37.23 | wols | cast: not yet it seems: http://packages.debian.org/testing/debian-installer/partman-partitioning |
| 07:38.31 | streuner | Kamping_Kaiser: aptitude is just a backup of dpkg, and that will update daily... |
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| 07:39.03 | Kamping_Kaiser | streuner, i'm often glad of the backup :) |
| 07:39.15 | Kamping_Kaiser | i note it updates itself if you call it after a certain amount of time too |
| 07:40.38 | streuner | cast: NTFS4 or 5? |
| 07:40.38 | alex_ | hrm amongst all of you open source users, how often have you taken a look at the c/c++/java/asm/whateverlanguage source files of packages you've used.. |
| 07:40.46 | streuner | cast: ntfsresize is able too, but d-i (daily) |
| 07:40.51 | wols | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:40.55 | streuner | cast: both 4 and 5 |
| 07:40.57 | alex_ | or does everyone just d/l the binary and install |
| 07:41.51 | alex_ | when have you needed to ? like what package |
| 07:41.59 | streuner | cast: basically you need nftsprogs out of unstable (2.0) |
| 07:42.00 | Guerin | alex_: depends. Some people care, others don't. I can't program at all, so I never bother. |
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| 07:42.22 | streuner | cast: in order to resize NTFS5 |
| 07:42.50 | alex_ | i'd probably guess no one cares about the source except the developers |
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| 07:43.04 | Guerin | \that'd be a fair guess |
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| 07:43.37 | techbie | !paster |
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| 07:44.10 | streuner | &paste |
| 07:44.11 | aptitude | Do not paste more than 3 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://channels.debian.net/paste/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. |
| 07:44.34 | techbie | thanks streuner |
| 07:44.55 | pabs3 | is there any Debian sid mirror that people on Telstra BigPond can use without using quota? |
| 07:45.07 | Guerin | pabs3: ask Hellstra |
| 07:45.59 | Guerin | pabs3: but as far as I know, hellstra 1) don't peer and 2) charge quota even for local traffic |
| 07:46.16 | pabs3 | yay |
| 07:47.20 | Vejeta | Hello people, is there any version of libc that uses linuxthreads? |
| 07:48.18 | simonrvn | what's that thing to scan for vga modes in a machine's bios called again? |
| 07:48.40 | streuner | read-<something> |
| 07:48.52 | techbie | Hello all , I have intel 3945 chipset , when i am trying to connect wpa encrypted wifi network , it does not allow , can anyone check the wpa_supplicant entry http://paste.debian.net/45571 |
| 07:48.55 | simonrvn | oh yeh |
| 07:48.58 | wols | read-edid reads edid info, not vga modes |
| 07:49.30 | streuner | &info read-edid |
| 07:49.46 | simonrvn | yeh, that's true, that's for monitors :) |
| 07:50.16 | Guerin | techbie: have you verified that it works without wpa? |
| 07:51.10 | pabs3 | Guerin: just found out that there is a mirror, but only of Ubuntu :( http://mirror.gamearena.com.au/ |
| 07:51.19 | simonrvn | @info read-edid |
| 07:51.20 | Guerin | aww :( |
| 07:51.25 | Guerin | simonrvn: & |
| 07:51.29 | ravenbird | read-edid: (hardware information-gathering tool for VESA PnP monitors), section utils, is optional. Version: 1.4.1-2.1+b2 (sid), Packaged size: 9 kB, Installed size: 64 kB |
| 07:51.36 | simonrvn | ;p |
| 07:51.38 | Guerin | oh, streuner already did |
| 07:51.40 | Kamping_Kaiser | pabs3, helstra suck. they have that repuation for a reason |
| 07:51.45 | Guerin | and ravenbird has the win |
| 07:51.53 | techbie | Guerin: yes, i have verified it with another open network |
| 07:52.03 | Guerin | Kamping_Kaiser: at least in NZ, they suck less than their main competition |
| 07:52.08 | Guerin | techbie: ok, cool. |
| 07:52.20 | pabs3 | Kamping_Kaiser: indeed :( |
| 07:52.44 | Kamping_Kaiser | Guerin, in AU they dont even have that :/ |
| 07:53.11 | Guerin | yeah ... in NZ we effectively have the choice between our monopoly provider, or your monopoly provider |
| 07:53.29 | Guerin | (or a whole lot of resellers) |
| 07:53.48 | Penix | if Telstra didn't change its name, you'd be able to pick from 'Telecom', or 'Telecom' |
| 07:54.00 | Guerin | quite |
| 07:54.23 | techbie | Gurein: The problem is that i can connect that WPA encrpyted network from my window partition |
| 07:54.52 | Mechdave | Telstra always sucks, I live in an area where bigpond cable is available but no ADSL |
| 07:55.02 | Mechdave | I don't want a 2 yr contract! |
| 07:55.05 | Penix | best thing I ever did for a non-tech person, was convince them not to go with a telstra or optus dsl |
| 07:56.13 | Penix | actually...optus didn't even offer non-dialup in the area....idiots |
| 07:57.12 | wols | techbie: have you made sure you can connect if it's not encrypted? |
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| 07:59.47 | streuner | hm, its snowing here :-) |
| 08:01.01 | techbie | wols: i have tried with another open network and got connected sucessfully |
| 08:02.22 | simonrvn | nm, google was helpful |
| 08:02.40 | streuner | simonrvn: show us the result |
| 08:02.41 | oobajas | Whose snowing here? |
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| 08:02.57 | simonrvn | 0x318 |
| 08:03.09 | simonrvn | 1024x768x16m colours |
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| 08:03.14 | streuner | simonrvn: nah :-) the URL :-) |
| 08:03.21 | simonrvn | oh, sec |
| 08:03.36 | simonrvn | http://wiki.antlinux.com/pmwiki.php?n=HowTos.VgaModes |
| 08:04.20 | techbie | wols,Gurien: can you check the wpa_supplicant.conf entry http://paste.debian.net/45571 |
| 08:04.47 | streuner | simonrvn: interesting |
| 08:07.36 | liable | techbie: all i have for mine usually is ssid; psk; scan_ssid |
| 08:07.50 | Guerin | techbie: i know nothing about wpa. |
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| 08:08.32 | liable | techbie: /j #flood and i'll paste the firat bit of mine there |
| 08:08.46 | liable | techbie: the docs are very good, /usr/share/doc |
| 08:09.10 | streuner | !wpa |
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| 08:09.18 | streuner | &wpa |
| 08:09.19 | aptitude | [wpa] Wi-Fi Protected Access. A WPA supplicant is provided for Debian Etch and Sarge in the 'wpasupplicant' package. Read /usr/share/doc/wpasupplicant/README.modes.gz to configure the supplicant as desired. http://wiki.debian.org/WPA |
| 08:09.28 | streuner | "old habits die hard..." |
| 08:09.32 | techbie | thaks liable :) , i will look on it |
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| 08:10.16 | liable | so join.. |
| 08:11.31 | streuner | liable: what kind of router do you have? |
| 08:12.40 | liable | i have a billion atm, but any one made in the last couple years should be fine |
| 08:12.49 | liable | i stay away from dlink though |
| 08:12.52 | wols | streuner: linux based ones can. get a cheap speedport 501V off ebay |
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| 08:13.10 | Guerin | i just have mine on wep, with something which emails me if any computers other than those I already know about connect to it |
| 08:13.26 | Penix | I was surprised by a cheap netcomm I bought for a friend. linux-based, WPA2 and all that jazz |
| 08:13.38 | Guerin | openbsd doesn't do wpa (it's broken, they claim) and I CBA implementing ipsec |
| 08:13.43 | wols | Guerin: "they" could still sniff your pr0n traffic |
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| 08:14.10 | Guerin | wols: let 'em - anything I care about is tunnelled through my texas box's p[rivoxy |
| 08:14.51 | Guerin | anyway, if they want hot pron, they can just break in and set up a spycam in my bedroom |
| 08:14.57 | Penix | heh |
| 08:15.02 | Guerin | physical security in this house is *very* weak |
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| 08:16.17 | Guerin | mmm, hot chocolate with rum in |
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| 08:16.35 | Guerin | just the thing after freezing your arse off by the water for six hours without catching anything |
| 08:18.31 | Penix | what's the day after christmas called in the US? |
| 08:18.41 | \amethyst | Guerin: it gets cold enough to freeze your ass off in summer? |
| 08:19.03 | \amethyst | Penix: nothing that I'm aware of |
| 08:19.13 | Guerin | \amethyst: yep. rain + southerly = fucking baltic |
| 08:19.15 | Penix | hmm.weird... |
| 08:19.32 | \amethyst | No Boxing Day here :) |
| 08:19.45 | Penix | yeah, I guess boxing day is just as weird as nothing |
| 08:20.01 | Guerin | is it still a public holiday in USia? |
| 08:20.09 | \amethyst | nope |
| 08:20.10 | antixog1 | is there any web dev gurus that could help me with an off topic problem? PMs are fine |
| 08:20.15 | Guerin | rude |
| 08:20.19 | Penix | I worked today anyway |
| 08:20.27 | Guerin | penal rates! |
| 08:20.43 | Penix | pfft. I'm casual. only get my higher weekend rate |
| 08:20.44 | Penix | rip off |
| 08:20.55 | Guerin | bah :( |
| 08:21.25 | Penix | free alcohol makes up for it I spose |
| 08:21.46 | Guerin | well, now that I'm a sarariiman, I don't get overtime |
| 08:21.57 | Guerin | however, since my boss is on leave for a month, I get to take days off |
| 08:21.59 | Penix | a what with the what now? |
| 08:22.03 | \amethyst | Guerin: is the 24th a public holiday there? |
| 08:22.08 | liable | i fucking worked yesterday and today, and get fuck all for it |
| 08:22.22 | Guerin | sarariiman = salary man; japanese for `company geezer' |
| 08:22.27 | Penix | ah |
| 08:22.31 | Guerin | \amethyst: nope. |
| 08:23.02 | Guerin | 24th is one of the busiest days of the year for service+retail |
| 08:23.14 | Guerin | and for us, too, in analysis |
| 08:23.20 | Penix | up there with boxing day |
| 08:23.24 | Guerin | yep |
| 08:24.05 | \amethyst | Guerin: I think it is in some states here, but not federally. And private businesses are unaffected, though they're usually closed on the 25th |
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| 08:24.41 | GhostlyDeath | "/usr/include/stdint.h:37: error: expected ‘=’, ‘,’, ‘;’, ‘asm’ or ‘__attribute__’ before ‘typedef’" Does anyone else get this error? |
| 08:25.09 | streuner | wols: do you run OpenWRT on that router? |
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| 08:25.34 | wols | streuner: no. support for it is worked on |
| 08:26.00 | wols | but it runs the telkom or the avm firmware (faxing and such...) |
| 08:26.19 | wols | I currently use the avm one http://www.ip-phone-forum.de/ |
| 08:26.58 | wols | GhostlyDeath: sounds like brken libc6-dev or gcc |
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| 08:29.26 | GhostlyDeath | none of the headers end in LF |
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| 08:31.49 | \amethyst | GhostlyDeath: what version of libc6-dev ? |
| 08:32.32 | \amethyst | GhostlyDeath: hm... that's the first line of actual code in that function |
| 08:32.38 | \amethyst | GhostlyDeath: s/function/header/ |
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| 08:32.59 | \amethyst | GhostlyDeath: meaning the problem is like in your code, before the #include <stdint.h> |
| 08:33.06 | \amethyst | s/like/&ly/ |
| 08:33.08 | GhostlyDeath | #ifdef |
| 08:34.35 | Guerin | if I ever run an irc server, it'll contain a script which mogrifies any lame nicks intended to make the user sound tough and cool and evil, like BlackWolf and Night$talk3r and DeathMaster and so on to nice fluffy cute sounding names like CandyKitten and DawnWelcome and JoyToBeAlive |
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| 08:34.52 | Guerin | yes, GhostlyDeath, I'm talking about you |
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| 08:35.09 | lowlevel | LovinMitt |
| 08:35.14 | peanoos | mclovin |
| 08:35.25 | GhostlyDeath | Guerin: You are an asshole |
| 08:35.39 | GhostlyDeath | Guerin: I do not name myself this to be cool or tough |
| 08:35.39 | Guerin | GhostlyDeath: better an asshole than a fuckwit, I say. |
| 08:35.46 | GhostlyDeath | Guerin: It is a reference to Starcraft |
| 08:35.54 | Guerin | GhostlyDeath: sure. Course not. Nor do the others. THey're all just being individuals. |
| 08:35.56 | \amethyst | GhostlyDeath: Guerin's been drinking :) |
| 08:36.06 | Guerin | \amethyst: not yet, not yet. |
| 08:36.20 | GhostlyDeath | Guerin: If I wanted to be evil, I could add Dark before my name |
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| 08:36.34 | Guerin | GhostlyDeath: granted, you're not trying as hard as some. |
| 08:36.40 | lowlevel | ghostly: then you'de get kick banned due to excessive nick lenght. |
| 08:36.46 | Guerin | but regardless: |
| 08:36.51 | Guerin | !gothsmite GhostlyDeath |
| 08:36.56 | Guerin | oh, no dpkg |
| 08:37.02 | Guerin | &gothsmite GhostlyDeath |
| 08:37.03 | GhostlyDeath | Guerin: Are you calling me a goth? |
| 08:37.23 | GhostlyDeath | Guerin: I am not a "Goth" |
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| 08:37.46 | Guerin | GhostlyDeath: course not. You're an `individual'. A unique and beautiful creature. |
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| 08:38.28 | GhostlyDeath | Guerin: And what is Graveworm? |
| 08:38.38 | Guerin | GhostlyDeath: how the hell should I know? |
| 08:38.53 | \amethyst | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Graveworm |
| 08:38.59 | Guerin | i'm guessing a band of some sort, which plays boring music about necrophilia |
| 08:39.03 | cahoot | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:39.14 | GhostlyDeath | I'm not from Italy |
| 08:39.15 | Vejeta | wow, what a bunch of crap, I thought this was #debian |
| 08:39.22 | Guerin | Vejeta: it is. |
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| 08:39.26 | GhostlyDeath | plus Metallica is better |
| 08:39.29 | Guerin | &customer |
| 08:39.29 | aptitude | Another happy customer leaves the building |
| 08:39.30 | lowlevel | oh gosh. |
| 08:39.44 | GhostlyDeath | even though I never heard of or heard Graveworm |
| 08:39.52 | lowlevel | then how can you compare? |
| 08:40.14 | GhostlyDeath | Targeted Listeners |
| 08:40.15 | Guerin | lowlevel: you and your logic! |
| 08:40.34 | GhostlyDeath | Live long and prosper lowlevel |
| 08:40.53 | lowlevel | Guerin: well, wouldn't want to end up with an invalid result. |
| 08:41.09 | streuner | &hakadance Guerin |
| 08:41.10 | \amethyst | GhostlyDeath: anyway, the problem is most likely in whatever (code appears / headers are included) before the #include <stdint.h> |
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| 08:41.27 | lowlevel | star trek > metallica. |
| 08:41.29 | \amethyst | GhostlyDeath: Actual C code, not preprocessor directives |
| 08:41.45 | \amethyst | lowlevel: string comparison, eh? |
| 08:41.57 | GhostlyDeath | \amethyst: There's only preprocessor |
| 08:41.58 | Guerin | nope, star trek < * |
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| 08:42.04 | lowlevel | hey! |
| 08:42.04 | lowlevel | ;) |
| 08:42.08 | Guerin | oh wait |
| 08:42.14 | Guerin | chrismas carols < star trek |
| 08:42.19 | lowlevel | wel.. yeah |
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| 08:42.22 | lowlevel | I can agree with that. |
| 08:42.24 | Guerin | that's about it, though |
| 08:42.30 | \amethyst | GhostlyDeath: what's the previous header file? |
| 08:42.33 | lowlevel | rofl |
| 08:42.38 | \amethyst | GhostlyDeath: that's #included before stdint |
| 08:42.39 | GhostlyDeath | \amethyst: none |
| 08:42.43 | \amethyst | hm |
| 08:43.10 | GhostlyDeath | unless I missed an #ifdef |
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| 08:43.15 | \amethyst | GhostlyDeath: what compiler are you using (including version)? |
| 08:43.34 | GhostlyDeath | \amethyst: gcc (GCC) 4.2.3 20071123 (prerelease) (Debian 4.2.2-4) |
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| 08:44.41 | \amethyst | GhostlyDeath: to make sure, try gcc -E foo.c | less |
| 08:44.50 | \amethyst | GhostlyDeath: that will preprocess only |
| 08:45.37 | GhostlyDeath | what am I looking for? |
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| 08:46.02 | the_sniff | how do i uninstall an alien installed rpm? |
| 08:46.05 | \amethyst | GhostlyDeath: the first line that doesn't start with # and isn't blank |
| 08:46.43 | Guerin | the_sniff: does alien not have an uninstall? |
| 08:46.45 | GhostlyDeath | \amethyst: "typedef signed char int8_t;" after "# 37 "/usr/include/stdint.h" 3 4" |
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| 08:47.10 | \amethyst | GhostlyDeath: hm, as it should be |
| 08:47.24 | the_sniff | Guerin not from the man i see |
| 08:47.51 | Guerin | man, it's even more broken than first thought |
| 08:48.08 | the_sniff | :S |
| 08:48.14 | the_sniff | eh |
| 08:48.21 | the_sniff | where do i see where the files were put? |
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| 08:49.00 | \amethyst | GhostlyDeath: hm, what happens if you gcc -c a file that has *just* #include <stdint.h> ? |
| 08:49.12 | GhostlyDeath | \amethyst: My preprocessor mess above checks out, checking now... |
| 08:49.32 | Guerin | the_sniff: try dpkg -L packagename |
| 08:49.45 | Guerin | you may have to use debian tools to uninstall it |
| 08:49.48 | the_sniff | i didn't convert it to a dep |
| 08:49.51 | the_sniff | i just installed it |
| 08:49.55 | Guerin | the_sniff: alien may have |
| 08:50.04 | the_sniff | hmm its not by default |
| 08:50.19 | GhostlyDeath | \amethyst: nothing |
| 08:50.25 | the_sniff | oh i see irt |
| 08:50.56 | \amethyst | GhostlyDeath: you should get either a .o file or an error message |
| 08:51.15 | GhostlyDeath | \amethyst: I got an undefined reference to main so I made main |
| 08:51.30 | GhostlyDeath | \amethyst: and got .o |
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| 08:52.31 | \amethyst | GhostlyDeath: hm, so when it gave the syntax error message... was stdint being included from a source file or a header file? |
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| 08:52.48 | GhostlyDeath | \amethyst: header |
| 08:53.01 | \amethyst | GhostlyDeath: oh, what's that being included from? |
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| 08:53.44 | GhostlyDeath | \amethyst: it's global, every source file and header besides itself (It's always included first) |
| 08:53.47 | \amethyst | GhostlyDeath: look at the actual source file that's being compiled when you get the message |
| 08:54.13 | GhostlyDeath | hmm |
| 08:54.26 | \amethyst | it probably has an unterminated declaration before the #include |
| 08:54.40 | \amethyst | or, there's a syntax error at the end of the previous #include |
| 08:54.45 | GhostlyDeath | \amethyst: it's something with the source file or build direction |
| 08:54.46 | \amethyst | GhostlyDeath: wait, is this C++ by any chance? |
| 08:54.52 | GhostlyDeath | no C |
| 08:55.00 | the_sniff | Guerin thanks |
| 08:55.25 | \amethyst | GhostlyDeath: does one of your private headers have a struct { } definition without a terminating semicolon? |
| 08:55.53 | GhostlyDeath | They all end in ; |
| 08:56.37 | \amethyst | GhostlyDeath: hm... did you try gcc -E on the source file that gave the error message? |
| 08:56.45 | \amethyst | GhostlyDeath: or was it a different one earlier? |
| 08:57.01 | GhostlyDeath | \amethyst: the other source files that include it are fine |
| 08:57.16 | GhostlyDeath | \amethyst: let me check something |
| 08:57.48 | \amethyst | a nonbreaking space or something like that maybe? |
| 08:58.33 | GhostlyDeath | oh |
| 08:58.41 | GhostlyDeath | \amethyst: There was an 'a' at the very top |
| 08:58.51 | \amethyst | GhostlyDeath: vi user? |
| 08:58.56 | GhostlyDeath | \amethyst: gedit |
| 08:59.29 | GhostlyDeath | \amethyst: When I was editing the template I made, must of accidently put it there |
| 08:59.56 | GhostlyDeath | \amethyst: so yeah, problem solved and it wasn't the code =P |
| 09:00.30 | \amethyst | GhostlyDeath: techically, it was the code, since the code started with an extraneous 'a' :) |
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| 09:01.45 | simonrvn | baz |
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| 09:02.08 | GhostlyDeath | \amethyst: well if it had a semicolon, it would of been easier to find |
| 09:02.14 | streuner | simonrvn: baz? |
| 09:02.20 | simonrvn | (continuing from earlier) |
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| 09:18.42 | Jed_84 | hi all |
| 09:19.06 | [dive] | hi all. anybody have intel wireless 3945ABG controller? seems like networkmanager can not connect to network, but if i connect from command line it's ok. |
| 09:19.08 | Jed_84 | how can I know which files are installed by a certain package? |
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| 09:21.46 | simonrvn | man dpkg; -L -S switches are handy |
| 09:21.59 | Jed_84 | cool |
| 09:22.00 | Jed_84 | thanks man |
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| 09:23.38 | antixog1 | this is killing me |
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| 09:27.05 | cahoot | [dive]: you are aware you must comment out the wlaninterface in /etc/network/interfaces if you want to use network-manager? |
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| 09:29.18 | [dive] | cahoot: i haven't wlan interface at /etc/network/interfaces |
| 09:29.35 | cahoot | ok just checking |
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| 09:43.57 | J3nS0 | i have a problem with my server |
| 09:43.57 | J3nS0 | <J3nS0> i cant find the linux-headers for 2.6.20.20-071010a |
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| 09:44.50 | cast | well, those don't exist for etch |
| 09:45.23 | J3nS0 | oh no :-( |
| 09:45.34 | antixog1 | OH YEAH! |
| 09:45.52 | antixog1 | sorry.. |
| 09:45.55 | J3nS0 | how can i install a older kernel |
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| 09:46.43 | antixog1 | one sec |
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| 09:47.32 | cast | aptitude search '^linux-' |
| 09:47.42 | cast | decide what version to install, then aptitude install it |
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| 09:53.11 | karmatronic | men ,am i tyhe only one with cpu at top when running flash websites ? |
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| 09:53.33 | antixog1 | i have had that happen also |
| 09:54.43 | karmatronic | antixog1, worst thing is it seems to happen since flash upgrade, i might try an older version |
| 09:55.07 | antixog1 | probably |
| 09:55.33 | antixog1 | I'm lazy so i just block most of it |
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| 09:55.54 | karmatronic | antixog1, how do you block it ? |
| 09:56.11 | antixog1 | adblock plus a firefox extenion |
| 09:56.42 | antixog1 | http://adblockplus.org/en/ |
| 09:57.07 | antixog1 | mostly i block flash ads |
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| 09:59.13 | karmatronic | antixog1, interesting , let s give it a try |
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| 09:59.35 | karmatronic | antixog1, although i just found out ds linux could be used for ssh and irc :) |
| 09:59.58 | antixog1 | ds linux? |
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| 10:00.33 | karmatronic | linux on the nintendo ds:) |
| 10:00.45 | antixog1 | oh cool |
| 10:00.52 | karmatronic | my xmas gift to my wife |
| 10:00.57 | antixog1 | i didn't know it had been ported |
| 10:01.03 | karmatronic | i knew i could use it :) |
| 10:01.28 | antixog1 | haha |
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| 10:09.39 | cast | mousewheel seems to induce RSI for me :\ |
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| 10:25.16 | vampirefrog | is Athlon XP the same thing as K7? that is -- if i install linux-image-2.6.22-3-k7, will it provide a performance increase? |
| 10:26.04 | vampirefrog | or, more importantly, will it work? |
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| 10:26.43 | cast | an XP is a K7 |
| 10:26.50 | vampirefrog | hooray then :D |
| 10:27.12 | epsilon | k7 image is fine, I have it too |
| 10:29.01 | vampirefrog | also, I'm trying to setup bootsplash. what are the necessary steps? |
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| 10:29.10 | vampirefrog | first, i have to install grub? i was using lilo |
| 10:31.09 | vampirefrog | brb |
| 10:32.26 | cast | did you read /usr/share/doc/bootsplash/ |
| 10:32.28 | cast | erm |
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| 10:34.16 | phretor | hi there |
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| 10:36.32 | phretor | here I am having a problem with NIS - when restarting the service with /etc/init.d/nis restart it keeps trying to start showing "Starting NIS services: ypserv yppasswdd ypxfrd ypbindbinding to YP server..........................................." but in the end it fails. In the syslog the lasts entries are "Dec 26 12:24:29 nas ypbind[3180]: broadcast: RPC: Timed out.". Got suggestions? |
| 10:36.58 | simonrvn | portmap running? |
| 10:38.03 | phretor | simonrvn: so it seems |
| 10:38.36 | simonrvn | rpc time out, usually means it can't contact portmap. you sure it's ok? ;) |
| 10:38.45 | xingu | phretor: you're slaving to a ypserver who's name doesn't resolve either via dns or broadcast |
| 10:39.17 | simonrvn | or that =) |
| 10:39.47 | phretor | xingu, simonrvn let me check both |
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| 10:39.58 | phretor | xingu: I've followed http://lyre.mit.edu/~powell/debian-howto/nis.html#3 |
| 10:40.53 | Gyde | hey, how do I open ports in the firewall to allow smb browsing? |
| 10:41.09 | Gyde | seem to remember there was a gui for this, but can't find it |
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| 10:41.11 | xingu | phretor: are you using the securenets bit? |
| 10:41.22 | phretor | xingu: what? |
| 10:42.00 | phretor | and, BTW, I really do not need NIS, I just need an NFS server for my home NAS, but it seems that I need a NIS for authentication. If there is a more "home oriented" approach to NFS, it would be appreciated. Thanks. |
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| 10:43.59 | antixog1 | good night all |
| 10:44.00 | xingu | phretor: I assume the error message is coming up on the system you're trying to set up as a master |
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| 10:44.15 | phretor | xingu: yes, it'd be my only server |
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| 10:45.21 | xingu | phretor: in which case it's quite likely that ypserv.{securenets,conf} are insane for your setup; you could test your portmapper - rpcinfo -e localhost |
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| 10:45.56 | phretor | rpcinfo: invalid option -- e |
| 10:46.06 | xingu | phretor: have you fiddled with securenets at all? perhaps pastebin it somewhere |
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| 10:46.18 | vampirefrog | kback. i'm done installing usplash & stuff, altho i'm dissapointed in the theme :)( |
| 10:46.21 | xingu | phretor: rpcinfo -p localhost rather |
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| 10:46.31 | xingu | phretor: also test rpcinfo -p `hostname` |
| 10:47.54 | vampirefrog | are there any extra themes for the boot splash? (after grub) |
| 10:48.52 | Gyde | how do I open ports in the firewall to allow smb browsing? |
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| 10:49.59 | phretor | xingu: http://pastie.caboo.se/132176 |
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| 10:51.04 | xingu | phretor: ok, so portmapper is only listening on loopback |
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| 10:51.47 | phretor | xingu: great, hints? |
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| 10:52.25 | xingu | phretor: dpkg-reconfigure portmap, perhaps? |
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| 10:52.58 | saba | hi |
| 10:53.11 | saba | hi all |
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| 10:54.30 | phretor | xingu: I answered "No" to "Should portmap be bound to the loopback address?" - however it keeps responding "No remote programs registered." to rpcinfo -p nas |
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| 10:55.11 | phretor | ok |
| 10:55.31 | phretor | xingu: I modified /etc/hosts by adding 192.168.1.50 nas |
| 10:55.35 | xingu | phretor: ok possibly try restarting portmap? - invoke-rc.d portmap stop then start |
| 10:55.49 | xingu | phretor: yep now you're getting there |
| 10:56.05 | phretor | xingu: hoping NIS would start correctly now |
| 10:56.27 | xingu | phretor: sorry, a bit crippled at the moment - my own console blew up, and I'm still gluing enough bits together to get up and running |
| 10:57.09 | catsup | um |
| 10:57.22 | phretor | xingu: http://pastie.caboo.se/132177 |
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| 10:59.13 | xingu | phretor: is rpcinfo -p nas happy yet? |
| 10:59.19 | phretor | xingu: yes |
| 10:59.52 | phretor | however, Starting NIS services: ypserv yppasswdd ypxfrd ypbindbinding to YP server...........................................failed (backgrounded). |
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| 11:00.46 | xingu | phretor: neat; now what's in /etc/yp.conf ? |
| 11:01.14 | phretor | xingu: comments only :) maybe it's here |
| 11:01.24 | xingu | phretor: nb, for a _master_ I'd suggest bind it to loopback - 127.0.0.1 |
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| 11:02.31 | xingu | phretor: a nis master which is itself bound as a client has all sorts of hilarious failure modes; it's a good idea to either (a) not do it at all and run the nis server as a sealed server which does not participate in nis locally (not an option for your design)... |
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| 11:03.36 | xingu | phretor: or (b) have a good hard think through what the likely degraded modes are; so here, if the master's own rpc stack breaks at all, it will have no (nis-based) name resolution; so binding to loopback rather than a server name, or, rather than locating the master via broadcast is a reasonable choice |
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| 11:04.42 | xingu | phretor: nb, the default for the nis _client_ side is broadcast server location - it sends a "who will serve this nis domain" udp broadcast to the broadcast of all directly connected networks |
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| 11:04.57 | Nenillo | hi |
| 11:05.41 | xingu | phretor: nb #2: even with the client side on "nas" hardwired to loopback - it _still_ won't be serving the domain until you ypinit -m |
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| 11:06.15 | phretor | xingu: ok, forget all the NIS/NFS stuff. How would you setup your home-made NAS? :) |
| 11:06.16 | Nenillo | I'm trying to upgrade my disk, I copied all (cp -ax) from /dev/hdb1 to /dev/hda1, changed lilo 'root' to point to /dev/hda1 and changed fstab but the system is still looking for /dev/hdb1 as root. I'm missing something? |
| 11:06.30 | xingu | phretor: you're nearly done, just ypinit -m |
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| 11:06.48 | cahoot | Nenillo: you did run 'lilo' too? |
| 11:06.53 | Nenillo | yes |
| 11:06.56 | xingu | phretor: and I'd do it with yp, same as you ;) but I'd probably make the NAS and its failover partner the masters :) |
| 11:07.00 | catsup | Nenillo: lilo root ? |
| 11:07.12 | catsup | erm, oh, you said that |
| 11:07.21 | phretor | xingu: I only have one machine |
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| 11:07.29 | harpal | Is it possible that when everytime pptp going to call ppp than it will make new ppp+ interface? |
| 11:07.34 | xingu | phretor: I bet the NAS is running linux too :) |
| 11:07.46 | Nenillo | now, when I quit the disk from the machine I get missing /sys/blog/hdb/hdb1/dev |
| 11:07.55 | phretor | xingu: the NAS *is* the NIS and the NFS server |
| 11:08.06 | catsup | Nenillo: are you installing lilo on the drive that's oboting? |
| 11:08.06 | xingu | phretor: aah |
| 11:08.37 | Nenillo | yes catsup, the system boot is ok before it tries to mount root |
| 11:08.42 | xingu | phretor: in that case, ypinit -m, should bring up the nis _server_ side and get you going. |
| 11:09.00 | Nenillo | I tried also to specify root=/dev/hda1 on boot command line |
| 11:09.03 | catsup | Nenillo: i mean is it booting a lilo installed on another disk/ |
| 11:09.25 | Nenillo | no, the old disk is now detached from the machine |
| 11:09.57 | phretor | xingu: I'll restore the default configuration files |
| 11:10.22 | xingu | phretor: leave yp.conf bound to loopback |
| 11:10.23 | catsup | um. this doesn't make sense i guess but maybe your initrd doesn't honor the root kernel cmdline. (otherwise what could it be?) |
| 11:10.48 | phretor | xingu: ok, I'll restart from scratches |
| 11:11.24 | Nenillo | don't know, I though I was missing any other parameter that was pointing to the old disk |
| 11:11.28 | Nenillo | but I don't see anything |
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| 11:12.32 | xingu | Nenillo: check /etc/fstab, then re-run dpkg-reconfigure linux-image-`uname -r` |
| 11:12.51 | xingu | Nenillo: it's just possible that there's some lint left on your initrd that refers to sdb1 |
| 11:13.22 | Nenillo | yes... can be that, fstab is ok, I'm going to try the reconfigure |
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| 11:14.37 | phretor | xingu: so, is the NIS domain name up to my choice at all? |
| 11:14.39 | xingu | Nenillo: if you're using swsusp, also check for resume= string in /proc/cmdline and lilo config. |
| 11:14.59 | xingu | phretor: entirely :) |
| 11:15.05 | Nenillo | don't know what's swsusp |
| 11:15.14 | xingu | Nenillo: suspend/ resume support. |
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| 11:15.43 | xingu | well, hibernate really; suspend-to-disk |
| 11:15.54 | Nenillo | yes, I tried that some time ago |
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| 11:16.25 | phretor | xingu: should I bind the portmap to the loopback? |
| 11:16.49 | xingu | phretor: on the master, portmap will need to be listening both to loopback and your trusted LAN interface. |
| 11:16.58 | phretor | xingu: ok |
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| 11:17.12 | xingu | phretor: ie, _other_ systems using it as a NIS master will need to locate it via on-LAN broadcast or unicast |
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| 11:17.33 | phretor | xingu: I do not have other systems, I only have NFS clients |
| 11:17.34 | enouf | Nenillo: try telling your BIOS to boot from hda first over hdb |
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| 11:18.33 | xingu | phretor: NIS is only needed to share your various maps - passwd,shadow,group,hosts,networks,aliases,etc |
| 11:18.41 | harpal | Is it possible that when everytime pptp going to call ppp than it will make new ppp+ interface? |
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| 11:19.13 | xingu | phretor: if you're not bothered about sharing them, just use nfs4 and unix auth |
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| 11:19.16 | harpal | like fisrt connection it make ppp0 than for second connection it make ppp1? |
| 11:19.29 | Nenillo | enouf, I detached the old disk so that's not the problem |
| 11:19.38 | enouf | Nenillo: iow, rearrange your disk boot priority order, (i imagine all jumpers are correct, and stuff, and BIOS and POST sees both disks, since you were able to cp over all data) |
| 11:19.39 | xingu | phretor: ... there's no interdependancy between working nis and working nfs; but they do work together well. |
| 11:19.45 | phretor | xingu: oh, well, but: how would the auth work in that case? |
| 11:20.10 | enouf | Nenillo: heh, so now you have a slave sitting without a master? good one |
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| 11:20.48 | Nenillo | no, it's a master, I said that the new disk is on /dev/hda1 :P |
| 11:20.53 | enouf | Nenillo: wintendo weenie eh? try to make sure it doesn't touch your precious wintendo? |
| 11:20.54 | xingu | phretor: nfs client uses client-local name/ local uid from passwd; server maps nape to server-local uid |
| 11:21.15 | enouf | now to change the jumpers again - correctly |
| 11:21.31 | xingu | phretor: authentication works on an implicit trust; if the client is allowed to mount, the user namespace equivalency is assumed |
| 11:21.33 | Nenillo | don't need to change jumpers, the machine has four disks |
| 11:21.40 | Nenillo | and they are working fine |
| 11:21.41 | enouf | it's silly to detach drives for this |
| 11:21.47 | phretor | xingu: that's exactly what I need |
| 11:21.53 | phretor | an insecure home NAS :D |
| 11:22.13 | enouf | 4 disks? on IDE, and one missing? er check your math skills :-P |
| 11:22.38 | Nenillo | is not missing, I detached it just for a moment :P |
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| 11:23.14 | enouf | well, that will only make your system more confused and mess up your jumper settings |
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| 11:23.19 | Nenillo | and I could have a PCI IDE controller to fit five disks and one missing :P |
| 11:23.36 | enouf | then, that would be incumbent upon you to tell us |
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| 11:25.58 | xingu | phretor: in that case just mount away using auth_sys and ignore gssapi completely. |
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| 11:30.01 | phretor | xingu: sure that nfs4 exists as a package? |
| 11:30.46 | xingu | phretor: the regular nfsd is nfsv4 capable |
| 11:31.06 | phretor | xingu: so, nfs-kernel-server or nfs-user-server ? |
| 11:31.13 | xingu | I'd use -kernel- personally |
| 11:31.35 | xingu | brb again |
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| 12:07.03 | delight | did someone get the Promise TX2000 ATA-Raid Controller (PDC20271) to work on Etch ? I get two seperate disks on install ... do i need a kernel-modul for it ? |
| 12:07.13 | fongSeiyuk | Hello, is there a way to transform a .txt file which is in this case a Story , to a .jpg , so that i can be viewed as a .jpg picture instead of .txt ? |
| 12:07.50 | timonator | going from text to picture is a great loss! |
| 12:07.56 | timonator | you'll lose the ability to copypaste the stuff |
| 12:08.08 | timonator | and users of the console only might not be able to read it at all |
| 12:08.13 | timonator | are you sure that's what you want to do? |
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| 12:08.16 | fongSeiyuk | doesnt matter... i just want the page to be view as a jpg |
| 12:08.23 | fongSeiyuk | yes |
| 12:08.31 | timonator | you can paste the text into the gimp text tool for example |
| 12:08.42 | dimir | Morning! |
| 12:08.58 | fongSeiyuk | ahhhhh, right ;-) good morning :D thanks alot, |
| 12:09.22 | timonator | you might want to prefer .gif or .png, though |
| 12:09.30 | timonator | jpg may make the text look ugly, blurry |
| 12:09.50 | fongSeiyuk | ok .... good idea |
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| 12:13.03 | phretor | xingu: here is the current status http://pastie.caboo.se/132186 |
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| 12:14.53 | phretor | xingu: but I can successfully mount from my Mac |
| 12:14.54 | timonator | why do i get lotsa cpu usage once every second? |
| 12:14.58 | timonator | htop won't tell me what's up |
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| 12:17.23 | xingu | phretor: try mount -t nfs4 nas:/ /mnt/tmp |
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| 12:17.46 | phretor | xingu: it works perfectly now |
| 12:17.55 | xingu | phretor: fsid=0 has magic properties. :) |
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| 12:18.27 | phretor | xingu: I see |
| 12:18.35 | xingu | phretor: nb, on mac and on linux, you'll want to mount using tcp protocol |
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| 12:20.00 | phretor | xingu: I really do not know how to do this on my mac - I can only mount thru the Finder.app or thru the Directory Utility.app |
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| 12:20.57 | delight123 | did someone get the Promise TX2000 ATA-Raid Controller (PDC20271) to work on Etch ? I get two seperate disks on install ... do i need a kernel-modul for it ? debian comes with a pdc202xx_old driver module. It says (IDE chipset support) but I guess there is no raid support for it |
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| 12:23.34 | stew | delight123: yeah, it will show up as two separate disks becuase that card isn't actually a raid controller, it is fakeraid. /msg aptitude fakeraid |
| 12:24.13 | xingu | phretor: do you have advanced mount options or something similar? perhaps try tcp and vers=4 |
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| 12:25.02 | delight | stew: i c .. i will need to set up a software raid ;) |
| 12:25.04 | delight | thnx a lot |
| 12:25.06 | phretor | xingu: yes, if I mount thru Directory Utility.app; no, if I mount thru the Finder.app which is my choice as it is available on both Tiger and Leopard |
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| 12:26.01 | xingu | phretor: you could probably create a fstab entry on both, I dunno; it amounts to the same thing - just passes it down to mount when all's said and done |
| 12:26.21 | phretor | yes, that's what I'd do |
| 12:26.27 | delight | stew: but what about when i have to replicate because a harddisk fails ? (I remember I had compiled a module for an old mandrake version a long time ago ... it worked with the controller as mirror raid) |
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| 12:27.05 | stew | delight: this can be accomplished with dmraid / software raid |
| 12:27.17 | cokeslut | Hi |
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| 12:27.53 | delight | stew: do u mean i would somehow boot from one of the 2 disks and replicate using some commandline ? |
| 12:28.04 | robin_sz | yes |
| 12:28.13 | peter86 | When I put .png file on my FTP using gFTP I cant read it using wwwbrowser |
| 12:28.19 | cokeslut | private |
| 12:28.31 | Eclipser | peter86, getting 403? |
| 12:28.35 | delight | stew: can i have the root partition on the software raid ? |
| 12:28.40 | xingu | phretor: fyi; the reason for banging on about nfs4 is that it has some rather important semantic differences in it, that allow for increased client-side caching of nfs operations that would ordinarily be (a) synchronous and (b) require a round trip between client and server |
| 12:28.40 | robin_sz | infact, depending on how you set it up, you could just plug in the new drive and replication could start automagically |
| 12:28.55 | peter86 | Eclipser, http://www.winditup.ovh.org/mk.png |
| 12:29.13 | delight | robin_sz: sounds good ... got some infos (link, docu) on that ? |
| 12:29.15 | Eclipser | peter86, did you put it in public_html? |
| 12:29.28 | peter86 | Eclipser, there isnt public_html in www folder |
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| 12:29.38 | phretor | xingu: does this have to do with async/sync options for exports? |
| 12:29.40 | peter86 | Eclipser, http://www.winditup.ovh.org/nicea.jpg |
| 12:29.44 | peter86 | Eclipser, it works |
| 12:29.49 | xingu | phretor: and as for the insistance on tcp - you'll find that tcp's bandwidth estimator beats the shorts off the nfsd's udp based bandwidth estimator; and also, that you get higher throughput at lower cpu util% as a result of tcp offloading |
| 12:29.49 | stew | delight: yes, you'll either need to have /boot outside the raid, or use lilo instead of grub |
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| 12:30.04 | Eclipser | peter86, double check that the image is in a correct place and check that everyone can read it |
| 12:30.08 | xingu | phretor: nope; attribute caching and improved locking semantics. |
| 12:30.12 | robin_sz | delight; see the manpage, really, its all in there, used to run 5 disk raid5 that way, just pull one out hot, slap another one in |
| 12:30.42 | peter86 | Eclipser, on this ftp is only one folder "www", how to check if it is in correct place? nicea.jpg works |
| 12:30.47 | Mechdave | Hi all, does anyone have any pointers to get a rt2400 pcmcia card working in etch, I have googled around and come up with nothing so far |
| 12:30.53 | robin_sz | delight: or read this http://tldp.org/HOWTO/Software-RAID-HOWTO.html |
| 12:31.12 | Eclipser | peter86, is the image in the same directory as the nicea.jpg? |
| 12:31.17 | peter86 | Eclipser, yes |
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| 12:31.44 | Eclipser | peter86, then it's either permission problem (check read permissions) or the httpd is retarded and doesn't allow png files |
| 12:32.30 | peter86 | Eclipser, there is funy icon of that mk.png file ;/ nicea.jpg has icon of picture, but mk.png has some grey wierd icon |
| 12:32.46 | delight | robin_sz: thnx I look into it ... must be a way to get that simple 2-disk-ide-mirror running ;) |
| 12:33.01 | robin_sz | there is , read the doc |
| 12:33.39 | robin_sz | http://tldp.org/HOWTO/Software-RAID-HOWTO-5.html#ss5.6 |
| 12:33.47 | robin_sz | for example |
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| 12:34.01 | delight | yes I'm just there ... thnx a lot ;) |
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| 12:36.12 | epsilon | if a disk fails, replace it and rebuild RAID with mdadm, that's all |
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| 12:39.21 | Mechdave | Anyone able to help at all? |
| 12:39.42 | zebedeee | Hi all. Is there a way to change a system arch from i686 to amd64? I've got an amd64 system, but seem to have used the wrong net install disk. The system works fine, but would like to use an optimised kernel. |
| 12:40.26 | \amethyst | zebedeee: just the kernel, or all of userspace too? |
| 12:40.45 | \amethyst | zebedeee: to change just the kernel, install the -amd64 flavor kernel package |
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| 12:41.23 | peter86 | Eclipser, there wasnt group perrmision to see the file |
| 12:41.43 | \amethyst | zebedeee: to change everything, reinstall (and note that a lot of proprietary software won't work with an amd64 userspace) |
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| 12:41.57 | zebedeee | Strangely, I've tried to install the amd64 kernel. Apt does not find it (perhaps looking for i686 packages only), and I have the following error when I manually dpkg it... |
| 12:42.19 | zebedeee | dpkg: error processing linux-image-2.6.18-5-xen-amd64_2.6.18.dfsg.1-13etch6_amd64.deb (--install): |
| 12:42.21 | zebedeee | <PROTECTED> |
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| 12:42.32 | \amethyst | zebedeee: that's not the one you want |
| 12:42.55 | \amethyst | zebedeee: ah, you need Xen? |
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| 12:44.00 | zebedeee | Yep. My dom0 is now running fine on a '-xen-686' kernel |
| 12:44.23 | \amethyst | zebedeee: I don't think Debian provides an amd64-xen kernel for the i386 architecture |
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| 12:44.34 | phretor | xingu: hope this enables tcp http://pastie.caboo.se/132191 |
| 12:44.50 | \amethyst | zebedeee: I don't know enough about Xen to know how hard it would be to compile such a kernel yourself |
| 12:45.19 | zebedeee | Isn't the package above "-xen-amd64" the package required? |
| 12:45.19 | Eclipser | probably not any harder than compiling a normal kernel.. |
| 12:45.45 | \amethyst | zebedeee: no, because it's for the amd64 debian architecture (32-bit userspace) |
| 12:46.04 | zebedeee | Agreed - I was trying to avoid manually compiling as security upgrades get a bit time-intensive. |
| 12:46.16 | epsilon | I don't think amd64 domx will run on i386 host at all |
| 12:46.27 | valdyn | it wont |
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| 12:47.18 | epsilon | if you want another arch, you need to try with emulation, not virtualisation |
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| 12:47.46 | valdyn | zebedeee: you should probably reinstall a complete amd64 system |
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| 12:48.15 | zebedeee | Ouch! I may just leave it on i686 then. |
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| 12:50.36 | zebedeee | Oh well. Thanks for your help. Fortunately I don't think the system will be used too heavily. |
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| 12:51.07 | white_eagle | !ping |
| 12:51.27 | white_eagle | what's wrong with the bots? |
| 12:52.12 | \amethyst | &nodpkg |
| 12:52.13 | aptitude | [nodpkg] the usual bot dpkg is AWOL. try signaling me instead with & |
| 12:52.15 | stew | white_eagle: dpkg is on holiday. use aptitude in her place |
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| 12:52.39 | Phobos | Hi. What app can I use to record my screen? |
| 12:52.59 | timonator | i can recommend yukon+seom for 3d applications |
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| 12:54.21 | eth01 | how do i add new route? |
| 12:54.29 | eth01 | that is a static ip/mask/gateway |
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| 12:55.02 | stew | eth01: temporarily or permanantly? |
| 12:55.06 | eth01 | perm |
| 12:56.10 | stew | eth01: use a 'up' line in /etc/network/interfaces to the stanza of the nic that the route will be attached to. something like "up ip r a 1.2.3.4/24 via some.gateway.address" or "up route add -net..." |
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| 12:56.31 | \amethyst | &ipmasq |
| 12:56.32 | aptitude | If all you want is NAT (internet connection sharing), aptitude install ipmasq; and be happy. Otherwise learn about it at http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/IP-Masquerade-HOWTO/index.html |
| 12:56.54 | \amethyst | what stew said for more complicated things |
| 12:57.59 | eth01 | route add -net 204.1*.1**.* netmask 255.255.255.192 gw 204.1*.1**.6* |
| 12:58.03 | eth01 | i've used that ^^ .. |
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| 12:59.03 | stew | eth01: just put "up" in front of it and add it to /etc/network/interfaces (man interfaces) |
| 12:59.37 | xingu | post-up, surely. |
| 12:59.41 | stew | eth01: up == post-up ; so if you add that to the eth0 section it means "after you bring up eth0, run this route command" |
| 12:59.52 | xingu | oh, synonyms |
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| 12:59.56 | stew | yeah |
| 13:00.01 | eth01 | post-up? |
| 13:00.19 | stew | man interfaces |
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| 13:03.13 | eth01 | http://rafb.net/p/UYcBhF24.html, correct? |
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| 13:04.42 | Abbas | Hello |
| 13:04.47 | Abbas | can someone please tell me, how to alert users in Jabber chat rooms like this: |
| 13:04.47 | Abbas | username:message |
| 13:05.00 | asg | Abbas: #jabber probably can |
| 13:05.15 | g00se | eth01: Netmask should be 255.255.255.0 |
| 13:05.27 | asg | Abbas: or ##jabber |
| 13:05.38 | eth01 | g00se, no it is not. |
| 13:05.58 | g00se | eth01: Oh. Why so? |
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| 13:06.09 | Abbas | Thanks asg; but, can you please write complete command for that ? |
| 13:06.14 | neotic | g00se: why would it be 255.255.255.0? |
| 13:06.17 | eth01 | g00se, not all netmasks' are 255.255.255.0 ... |
| 13:06.19 | asg | Abbas: /join ##jabber |
| 13:06.28 | stew | g00se: how do you know what his netmask should be? |
| 13:06.31 | eth01 | it's a default/bog-standard one to use, yep. |
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| 13:07.07 | g00se | eth01: Yes. Probably - sorry |
| 13:07.38 | stew | eth01: the 'up' line looks fine. the 'static' line does not |
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| 13:08.54 | eth01 | stew, yeah, |
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| 13:09.04 | eth01 | what needs changing their? |
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| 13:09.23 | stew | eth01: can you show us the contents of /etc/network/interfaces? use a pastebin: /msg dpkg pastebin |
| 13:09.39 | soczol | dpkg is gone ;) |
| 13:09.44 | asg | soczol: use aptitude |
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| 13:10.06 | soczol | i know, was just refering to stew's message |
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| 13:10.20 | Scurz | hi |
| 13:10.51 | stew | well he clearly knows what a pastebin is, i just get used to using my completions :) |
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| 13:12.05 | misafir1229 | hi, anybody from turkey? |
| 13:12.07 | eth01 | stew, sure, 1 sec. |
| 13:12.28 | g00se | stew: Sorry - i jumped in there too quickly. |
| 13:12.28 | phretor | I have an old laptop used as print/file/vpn-server and I really don't care about its performance. On the other hand I care about silent so I'd like to put the processor at lowest performances so the fan wouldn't start so frequently. Ideas? |
| 13:12.33 | Scurz | I have a problem with nfs after having configured it, I can't do mount 192.168.1.6:/home /mnt/nfs/ There is nothing in log of the nfs server, any ideas? |
| 13:12.41 | stew | misafir1229: try #debian.tr |
| 13:12.58 | stew | Scurz: do you get an error? |
| 13:13.12 | eth01 | http://rafb.net/p/9jSRZ656.html |
| 13:13.33 | misafir1229 | thanks :) |
| 13:13.42 | Scurz | stew: yes, after some mins, "mount to NFS server '192.168.1.6' failed: server is down." |
| 13:13.57 | Scurz | I don't understand why |
| 13:14.37 | stew | eth01: you might look at examples in /usr/share/doc/ifupdown/examples/network-interfaces.gz or /msg aptitude man interfaces |
| 13:15.00 | stew | Scurz: does "rpcinfo -p 192.168.1.6" mention nfs? |
| 13:15.01 | phretor | Scurz: how about /var/log/syslog? |
| 13:15.38 | stew | Scurz: on the nfs server, does "netstat -plnt" show portmapper as listening to 0.0.0.0 or to some other IP address? |
| 13:15.48 | Scurz | stew: http://pastebin.us/?show=m9b571b1 |
| 13:16.28 | xingu | hmm, interesting, virtual pc is free these days? |
| 13:16.39 | Scurz | phretor: nothing of special in the syslog about nfs |
| 13:17.28 | Scurz | stew: yes tcp 0 0 0.0.0.0:111 0.0.0.0:* LISTEN 5870/portmap |
| 13:18.12 | stew | hmm |
| 13:19.43 | Scurz | oh, maybe, that comes from iptables |
| 13:19.45 | misafir1229 | is ati drivers problem for debian? i have x800 and i am going to install testing kde |
| 13:20.09 | eth01 | i've got a dummy0 when i do ifconfig? wth. |
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| 13:20.42 | asg | eth01: /dev/ventriloquist probably |
| 13:21.54 | eth01 | .. |
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| 13:23.50 | shyam_k` | sorry there was a network problem..i missed the replies if any... |
| 13:24.18 | xingu | Scurz: "showmount -e" say on the server? |
| 13:24.54 | stew | shyam_k`: we missed the question if any |
| 13:25.02 | Scurz | Export list for snurf: |
| 13:25.02 | Scurz | /home 192.168.1.12 |
| 13:25.07 | shyam_k` | oo sorry:) |
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| 13:26.34 | xingu | Scurz: and from the client, showmount -e 192.168.1.6 |
| 13:26.43 | ElemonGW | can i get shell access at the netinst cd? |
| 13:26.52 | shyam_k` | i have 3 debian dvds with me..can i use synaptic or apt to take a couple of programs and its dependencies copied to a place i want? |
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| 13:27.39 | Scurz | ElemonGW: yes, but a limited shell access |
| 13:27.58 | ElemonGW | how? and how much limited? |
| 13:28.15 | ElemonGW | not remote |
| 13:28.17 | ElemonGW | btw |
| 13:28.35 | ElemonGW | just if i am able to get into a shell |
| 13:28.46 | Scurz | ElemonGW: you want to say, a shell access during installation ? |
| 13:28.59 | Scurz | xingu: there is no answer |
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| 13:29.06 | ElemonGW | yes, before the installer connects to download additional packages to install |
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| 13:29.21 | ElemonGW | *connects to the internet |
| 13:29.24 | xingu | Scurz: in that case mountd isn't wanting to talk to your client, but portmapper is. |
| 13:29.42 | xingu | Scurz: could be /etc/hosts.{deny,allow} or an iptables rule |
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| 13:30.03 | xingu | Scurz: mountd listens on a random port assigned by and located via portmapper |
| 13:30.24 | Scurz | xingu: already done http://pastebin.us/?show=m55f8ca3b |
| 13:30.48 | xingu | Scurz: try rpc.mountd rather than just mountd |
| 13:31.19 | Scurz | xingu: ok, but it's a prolem if mountd listens on a random port... |
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| 13:31.50 | Yancho | is debian cd1 a live cd too ? |
| 13:32.10 | xingu | Scurz: s/mountd/rpc.mountd/ in hosts.allow; but yes if you've also filtered via iptables you've got a design challenge. |
| 13:32.48 | hoxu | Yancho, no |
| 13:32.55 | Yancho | ok hoxu |
| 13:34.08 | Scurz | xingu: okay, thanks |
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| 13:34.33 | zakia | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:34.35 | ElemonGW | so, can i? |
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| 13:36.27 | hoxu | zakia, I highly doubt that, dunno to what extent you could keep /etc/ for example, though... |
| 13:37.18 | zakia | ouch debian still support my ppc but ubuntu left me in the cold |
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| 13:38.11 | Maulkin | zakia: you can't convert really. It's best to backup and reinstall |
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| 13:38.30 | zakia | the debian installer does not work |
| 13:38.37 | Maulkin | Yay, helpful! |
| 13:38.43 | Maulkin | Now, what do you mean? |
| 13:38.44 | zamuro | !doesnt work |
| 13:38.53 | zamuro | !doesnt-work |
| 13:38.57 | Maulkin | !doesn't work |
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| 13:39.01 | Maulkin | !ping |
| 13:39.04 | soczol | &doesnt work |
| 13:39.05 | aptitude | extra, extra, read all about it, doesnt work is Look buddy, "doesn't work" is an ambiguous statement. Does it sit on the couch all day long? Does it procrastinate doing the dishes? Does it beg on the street for change? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. Give us more details so we can help you without needing to ask basic questions like "what's the error message". |
| 13:39.10 | zakia | it stops in the installation process |
| 13:39.27 | Maulkin | zakia: where? What's the error message? |
| 13:39.37 | zakia | i did not write the error msg |
| 13:40.06 | zakia | i know the ubuntu installer was ok |
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| 13:40.57 | Maulkin | zakia: Well, considering the ubuntu installer is almost identical to the debian one, it would be useful if you had the message |
| 13:41.10 | Maulkin | zakia: there *is* an option, but it may or may not work. |
| 13:41.13 | zakia | so instead of trying one more time just to get the error msg and then get it fixed i was hopping to go ubuntu and convert |
| 13:41.19 | Maulkin | &debtakeover |
| 13:41.19 | aptitude | methinks debtakeover is Debian Takeover, the next phase of Debian World Domination, is a script that will substitute Debian (woody, not sarge! Use DEFAULT_SUITE=woody and upgrade from there) for any running GNU/Linux distribution available at http://www.hadrons.org/~guillem/debian/debtakeover/. You too can banish metoo, dead rat, crackware, mandribble and Sue.M.E. to the bit bin. |
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| 13:41.58 | Maulkin | zakia: It probably won't work though. We can tell you how to get the installer working if you help us help you |
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| 13:43.04 | zakia | ok i will try again the installer just to get the error msg |
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| 13:43.57 | Maulkin | zakia: and try to leave it running at that message, we may need more info |
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| 13:44.19 | debianforlife | when I am entering a SPF record in the TXT record of my dobain should the "-all" at the end be "~all" or "-all"? some sites indicate that it sohould be a tild not a dash |
| 13:44.36 | zakia | i have only one machine |
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| 13:44.57 | zakia | i will have to shut it down to be back here |
| 13:46.28 | zakia | i will just swap to a new disk so i do not destroy my running current linux. thx i am going back for some testing |
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| 13:51.05 | black_flag | good morning all, can anyone tell me what the shell commands are to stop/start/restart iptables in Etch? (seems like they removed the old scripts) |
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| 13:51.54 | asg | black_flag: read the docs in /usr/share/doc/iptables (the reason and workarounds are explained there) |
| 13:52.11 | black_flag | ok, checking now |
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| 13:58.40 | flinx | Hi! |
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| 13:59.03 | flinx | I have question about debian installation. |
| 13:59.23 | flinx | I did installed basic debian. |
| 13:59.51 | flinx | How to invoke debian installation wizard to install addidtional stuff? |
| 14:00.14 | Ronin | flinx: open a term su to root and aptitude install foo (foo being name of application) |
| 14:00.20 | Ronin | man aptitude for more information |
| 14:00.33 | flinx | No, i know about aptitude. |
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| 14:00.38 | suppaman | hi |
| 14:00.44 | suppaman | how nice Tremulous runs |
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| 14:00.56 | suppaman | not same performance as in OS X but it's running |
| 14:01.02 | suppaman | between 15 and 30fps |
| 14:01.23 | stew | flinx: tasksel? |
| 14:01.47 | SPF | flinx: you need aptitude to install another installation wizard (like tasksel for example) |
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| 14:02.20 | Ronin | flinx: then explain more clearly what you are wanting to do |
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| 14:02.27 | flinx | Ok |
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| 14:02.33 | flinx | let's start from beginning |
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| 14:03.01 | flinx | Actually i want to try to install VServer and guest os on it |
| 14:03.14 | flinx | is somebody know here what is vserver? |
| 14:03.30 | flinx | i want to install guest OS and KDE on it |
| 14:03.49 | flinx | to vserver guest os i can install only basic OS pachages |
| 14:03.51 | flinx | like debian |
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| 14:04.18 | flinx | i want to invoke installation wizard to install desktop packages |
| 14:04.38 | stew | flinx: tasksel install desktop |
| 14:04.42 | flinx | ok |
| 14:04.44 | flinx | thanks |
| 14:04.47 | flinx | will try right now |
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| 14:07.12 | Zaki | hi |
| 14:07.20 | Zaki | how to disable SELinux ? |
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| 14:08.06 | Ronin | !selinux |
| 14:08.17 | Ronin | hmm, would have thought for sure |
| 14:09.46 | Ronin | ttp://selinux.sourceforge.net/distros/debian.php3 |
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| 14:10.17 | Ronin | zLinux[mob]: i like the part where it can make the system unbootable if you remove it |
| 14:10.25 | helo | is US/Eastern a valid timezone? |
| 14:10.38 | asg | yes |
| 14:10.53 | zLinux[mob] | helo, US/Invasion/of/Iraq is valid too :P |
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| 14:11.07 | zLinux[mob] | ooops |
| 14:11.08 | helo | and if i change /etc/timezone, i just run ntpdate and it will update my time appropriately? |
| 14:11.17 | zLinux[mob] | just kidding sorry for saying that here |
| 14:11.31 | zLinux[mob] | it was just a joke that came to my mind so quickly |
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| 14:12.09 | black_flag | welp, I didnt see anything about /stop/start/reload in the /doc's for iptables (maybe I missed it?). from what I can tell from google it appears that the scripts were removed and now a some "other" method of administration is needed fot iptables itself (like shorewall)? |
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| 14:13.34 | leftStanding | hi, i have experience creating the array and resyncing it, but this problem seems to be more difficult. i have a raid5 and i'm trying to add a new disk into the array to replace a previous disk. it keeps complaing about a bad superblock. what should i do? |
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| 14:14.26 | leftStanding | i've tried using the add option, assembling the array |
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| 14:15.00 | helo | hmm... changing /etc/timezone from US/Central to US/Eastern and rerunning ntpdate didn't change the local time to eastern... |
| 14:15.07 | helo | neither did a reboot |
| 14:15.17 | helo | it did kill X somehow though :) |
| 14:15.51 | helo | ahha |
| 14:16.05 | zz1 | helo: That's because you didn't use tzconfig. |
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| 14:16.50 | soczol | or tzselect ;d |
| 14:17.01 | xingu | right, lets see if that mallet to the head scored a bullseye |
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| 14:20.24 | itchi | A .dat file. Is that mean to be a special format file? It's binary stuff and i don't know with which tool i may edit this file |
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| 14:21.46 | YumYum29 | does debian has as good multimedia support as ubuntu? |
| 14:22.20 | neotic | from scratch or what? |
| 14:22.55 | itchi | YumYum29: Out of the Box. No, but that's easy to do. Just add the debian-multimedia repo and you're done |
| 14:23.30 | hpoppe | Where is the Debian multi-media repo to be found? |
| 14:23.31 | YumYum29 | neotic: yes from scratch or even just click n install kind of ability where i dont have to rummage thru alot of how to pages to get simple installation stuff |
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| 14:24.08 | soczol | itchi: you could try: file <file> |
| 14:24.16 | soczol | it might tell you what kind of file it is |
| 14:24.33 | asg | hpoppe: /msg aptitude debian multimedia |
| 14:25.09 | YumYum29 | itchi: thanx for heads up, how good is the nvidia driver support in debian? |
| 14:25.10 | itchi | soczol: It's a "data" file :-) |
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| 14:25.20 | soczol | okay; good luck then :D |
| 14:25.32 | YumYum29 | soco: thanx for heads up, how good is the nvidia driver support in debian? |
| 14:26.07 | itchi | soczol: It's the "UserPatch.dat" file of a my tomtom. My favorite addresses are stored in that file. I wonder if i may hand edit it |
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| 14:26.45 | asg | itchi: you might be able to retrive some info by running 'strings' on the file |
| 14:27.05 | wols | or look at it with a hexviewer |
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| 14:27.22 | itchi | asg: That shows up some more weird characters :-) |
| 14:27.32 | itchi | wols: Gona try |
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| 14:27.45 | hpoppe | Anyone with a http:// deb adress for a Debian multi-media repo? To use apt-get? |
| 14:28.01 | itchi | Anyway TomTom One Edition 3 is been mountable as a HDD on Linux. That's already a good begin :-p |
| 14:28.03 | asg | itchi: it will but in general, it looks for multiple printable ascii bytes in the binary data with the assumption that they are likely printable text. Not flawless but useful sometimes. |
| 14:28.03 | Maulkin | !debian-multimedia |
| 14:28.06 | Maulkin | &debian-multimedia |
| 14:28.06 | aptitude | from memory, debian-multimedia is a repository of unofficial Debian packages, not in Debian for various legal reasons, maintained by Christian Marillat. For instructions to add APT sources, ask me about <debian-multimedia.etch>. |
| 14:28.19 | asg | hpoppe: /msg aptitude debian multimedia |
| 14:29.08 | itchi | wols: Do you mean hexedit? |
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| 14:29.54 | wols | itchi: try hiew |
| 14:30.28 | zz1 | asg: I tried to msg aptitude but don't get any replies. I am using Gaim. What could be the problem? |
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| 14:30.51 | nexxu | hello, I want to install debian for a desktop system, should I install CD1-i386 or CD1-Kde ? |
| 14:31.04 | itchi | wols: I don't find this too |
| 14:31.12 | wols | nexxu: you should install the netinst iso |
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| 14:31.24 | asg | zz1: you may need to be registered before you can /msg the bot. /msg nickserv help |
| 14:31.42 | zz1 | asg: Thanks |
| 14:31.44 | asg | zz1: also, you could join #debian-bots and just ask them in-channel |
| 14:31.58 | nexxu | wols I don`t have the netinst iso so I`ll have to do with one of these. Which one should I install ? |
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| 14:31.59 | wols | itchi: not in etch, sorry |
| 14:32.06 | wols | itchi: try any other then |
| 14:32.19 | wols | nexxu: doesn't matter (much) |
| 14:32.25 | itchi | wols: Ok, running Lenny on this box. I tried hexedit, but that will not help that much :-( |
| 14:32.47 | wols | pme installs gnome, the other kde by default. but either desktoop can be installed afterwards whenever |
| 14:32.53 | nexxu | wols: and after I install one of then I can get everything else from the internet right ? |
| 14:33.00 | itchi | nexxu: You already downloaded these two CD's? It doesn't realy matter |
| 14:33.20 | nexxu | itchi: yes |
| 14:33.24 | wols | nexxu: yes. you can install even without a desktop and get a desktop later. e.g. xfce or gnome or kde too |
| 14:33.44 | itchi | wols: And ... Fluxbox :-p |
| 14:33.49 | itchi | So nice stuff :-p |
| 14:33.50 | nexxu | wols: yeah .. I know that :) just making sure though :) |
| 14:33.57 | nexxu | 10q both |
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| 14:38.10 | Nyle | Good Morning |
| 14:38.39 | itchi | Nyle: Hi |
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| 14:40.27 | Nyle | hey man |
| 14:40.33 | Nyle | my computer business is picking up |
| 14:40.37 | Nyle | I got two jobs to do today |
| 14:40.39 | Nyle | hehe nice |
| 14:41.09 | humbolto | how do I xen-create-image an ubuntu guest on an debian etch host? |
| 14:42.04 | Nyle | I do too |
| 14:42.13 | suppaman | Eclipser: what should they use instead ? |
| 14:42.18 | Nyle | they shouldn't have named it Xen |
| 14:42.32 | Nyle | because when you try to set it up, its far from Zen it can be |
| 14:42.37 | Nyle | its a headache and its BS |
| 14:42.53 | Eclipser | suppaman, why use virtual servers at all? |
| 14:42.59 | Nyle | Eclipser: oh no, don't go there |
| 14:43.04 | suppaman | is there a way I can see only a section cache of the repository ? |
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| 14:43.12 | Eclipser | Nyle, I just don't understand why people do it |
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| 14:43.22 | Nyle | Eclipser: afa Xen goes, I agree with you, but virtual computing has many reasons |
| 14:43.23 | suppaman | like I want to see all games, I see xfrisk has "Section: games" |
| 14:43.24 | humbolto | Eclipser: because of the many reasons there are! |
| 14:43.31 | Eclipser | such as? |
| 14:43.35 | suppaman | Eclipser: think of a web host provider |
| 14:43.43 | Nyle | save on hw costs |
| 14:43.52 | Nyle | the number of units needed are less |
| 14:43.59 | Eclipser | suppaman, but even regular people waste time with that crap |
| 14:44.17 | suppaman | Eclipser: I don't, I just asked for the sake of curiosity |
| 14:44.20 | stew | suppaman: aptitude search '~sgames' |
| 14:44.37 | Nyle | stew: g'morning, merry xmas |
| 14:44.49 | stew | good morning |
| 14:44.51 | Nyle | I trust you enjoyed a hearty christmas dinner |
| 14:44.52 | Nyle | :) |
| 14:44.54 | humbolto | Eclipser: Think of you having only one server. Running a production web-server on it, which you intend to replace some time. You can prepare the new installation while the old one is still running and then migrate the data easily and quilckly. |
| 14:45.49 | Nyle | Eclipser: as you can see, the needs are there. Xen meets those needs for some people. Its not completely pointless, but its not that good of a SW either |
| 14:45.50 | suppaman | stew: thanks |
| 14:46.00 | Eclipser | I suppose people these days have too much extra cpu time on their hands |
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| 14:46.40 | humbolto | Eclipser: Supposedly right. |
| 14:47.15 | suppaman | I've installed video acceleration and all, I'd like to install those nice 'gummy' effects xgl provided, but I'm not that into the thing, I remeber there was a "composite" wm, what should I search for ? |
| 14:47.18 | suppaman | I'm running gnome atm |
| 14:47.28 | humbolto | Eclipser: And some of us like to experiment but don't have the budget to simply purchase dozens of servers. |
| 14:47.43 | itchi | Eclipser: Do you not make use of virtual computing? Man, that's ways to good stuff |
| 14:47.50 | Eclipser | humbolto, I have a few dozen boxes, they've all been free |
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| 14:48.09 | cahoot | lucky yiu |
| 14:48.16 | Eclipser | itchi, only one of my boxes is even powerful enough to run virtual server.. |
| 14:48.26 | Eclipser | cahoot, seriously, you can get free hardware from anywhere |
| 14:48.29 | humbolto | Eclipser: Good for you. What about your backbone? |
| 14:48.37 | itchi | Eclipser: Well, i have 14 boxes at home. But 2 are virtualisation "compliant" :-) |
| 14:49.03 | catsup | not free energy |
| 14:49.04 | itchi | Eclipser: I still have my Pentium's one at home :-) |
| 14:49.11 | Nyle | 14? at home |
| 14:49.12 | Nyle | may god |
| 14:49.13 | eth01 | you have 14 boxes at home? |
| 14:49.20 | eth01 | good luck with that lol |
| 14:49.21 | catsup | he means cardboard boxes |
| 14:49.21 | Nyle | you're a much bigger nerd than I will ever be itchi |
| 14:49.21 | itchi | Well, yeah |
| 14:49.24 | Nyle | lol |
| 14:49.28 | Nyle | cardboard itchi ? |
| 14:49.29 | Nyle | hehe |
| 14:49.30 | Eclipser | humbolto, which backbone are you talking about |
| 14:49.34 | Eclipser | itchi, me too |
| 14:49.54 | Nyle | I have half of what you have |
| 14:49.59 | eth01 | i feel some long explanation brewing up |
| 14:50.00 | itchi | I still have my first pc, that of my wife too. |
| 14:50.06 | suppaman | !compiz |
| 14:50.08 | Nyle | 7 boxes, 1 bsd, 1 xp, 5 debian |
| 14:50.09 | catsup | i'm still running a pii |
| 14:50.14 | Nyle | suppaman: #compiz-fusion |
| 14:50.18 | humbolto | Eclipser: well, do you have a good enough uplink to use your boxes for production systems? |
| 14:50.18 | xuser | Eclipser: you have no idea how big virtualiztion is in the enterprise. |
| 14:50.21 | suppaman | catsup: I'm running it too |
| 14:50.23 | catsup | over 10yrs |
| 14:50.39 | Eclipser | xuser, I'm not talking about enterprises, I don't care about enterprises |
| 14:50.40 | catsup | (about, i think) |
| 14:50.42 | eth01 | virtulization is ..... |
| 14:50.47 | itchi | Nyle: Well, all runs debian. twoo have a dualboot XP and i have 8 virtual pc's :-p |
| 14:51.00 | itchi | So i may have 22 PC's at home :-) |
| 14:51.01 | catsup | only a year or two ago i got a p3 laptop, since then the p2 was my fastest computer |
| 14:51.02 | eth01 | a virtual machine isn't real, though. |
| 14:51.05 | Nyle | itchi: what do you run on the virtual pcs? |
| 14:51.06 | catsup | erm, until then |
| 14:51.18 | Nyle | eth01: its not fake either |
| 14:51.20 | Nyle | ;) |
| 14:51.23 | eth01 | i can have 40 VM's, i've still only got 2 machines. |
| 14:51.24 | humbolto | xuser: I figure some CEOs/CTOs might actually care for the huge amount of money they can save on their energy bill if they embrace virtualization. |
| 14:51.35 | eth01 | 20 spilt 1:5 |
| 14:51.44 | itchi | Nyle: Gentoo, LFS, debian (stable, testing, unstable), XP, Ubuntu, Fedora sabayon ... |
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| 14:51.59 | Nyle | humbolto: energy wouldn't be this much expensive if it weren't for the profiteering gluttons running the show |
| 14:52.00 | cahoot | AND a wife? |
| 14:52.05 | Nyle | gentoo? |
| 14:52.12 | Nyle | ey! |
| 14:52.13 | eth01 | nyle, whats not fake? |
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| 14:52.18 | itchi | Nyle: Some time i trash one and test another one. Just For Fun(tm). You know, we have the nices and best stuff in our hands |
| 14:52.25 | humbolto | Nyle: explanation. |
| 14:52.33 | Nyle | itchi: heh, have at it buddy |
| 14:52.50 | Eclipser | humbolto, I do have 100M uplink but I don't really have any use for it |
| 14:53.38 | xuser | humbolto: that may be one of the multiple advantages |
| 14:53.41 | catsup | Nyle: you got that backwards man |
| 14:53.50 | catsup | Nyle: energy wouldn't be this *cheap* if it weren't for them |
| 14:54.03 | Nyle | humbolto: I am saying, that to produce electricity, it really doesn't cost as much as electricity costs. Including employees, all the expenses, dams, coals, fossil fuels, atomic generators, whatever it might be, electricyt does not cost as much as the people who put a price on it want |
| 14:54.10 | Nyle | i am horrible at english grammar |
| 14:54.16 | Nyle | basically you don't need to understand it |
| 14:54.24 | dutchfish | i try to setup ircdancer with blootbot on debian etch. So far ircdancer is working properly and bloodbot is connected, but i cant get it connected to a channel, am i missing something? I treid googling for docs a few hours, however nothing that documents this thing. I would love if someone would help me out with this. |
| 14:54.26 | Nyle | it was a line from the rhetoric from The Mentor in his Manifesto |
| 14:54.32 | Nyle | nevermind me, I'm just toolin' |
| 14:54.51 | humbolto | Nyle: I get your point |
| 14:55.07 | catsup | nothing costs as much as what it sells for; that is called 'profit' |
| 14:55.17 | Nyle | I'm not saying I'm right, I'm just saying, The Mentor had a point |
| 14:55.37 | Nyle | catsup: its called capitalism, I understand it, I just... nevermind |
| 14:55.41 | Nyle | go back to discuss debian |
| 14:55.47 | catsup | no, it's not called capitalism |
| 14:55.54 | catsup | it's called profit |
| 14:56.04 | humbolto | anyhow. is ubuntu's bootstrap compartible with debian? |
| 14:56.07 | Nyle | you are right and I am wrong. |
| 14:56.10 | Nyle | havhe fun |
| 14:56.13 | catsup | :) |
| 14:56.25 | catsup | humbolto: what does that mean? |
| 14:56.25 | Nyle | humbolto: ask there, not here |
| 14:56.25 | itchi | We all hope to make enought money. Some just want to get much more money as other wants |
| 14:56.29 | humbolto | Seems like debian's bootstrap version does not support bootstrapping ubuntu out of the box. |
| 14:56.32 | catsup | Nyle: what if they say to ask here? |
| 14:56.40 | Nyle | humbolto: we don't know, we can't know. we were not the ones who modified debian to call it ubuntu |
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| 14:56.52 | catsup | ask in #ubuntu-debian-compatibility or #debian-ubuntu-compatibility |
| 14:56.52 | Nyle | humbolto: I wouldn't think so |
| 14:56.59 | dutchfish | catsup, i dont know if this is appropriate but solarcells will fall below $1,50 per watt soon, then the stampide will start ;) you bet |
| 14:57.02 | humbolto | So I am wondering, if I install ubuntu's bootstrap package, will I still be able to bootstrap debian xen guests? |
| 14:57.03 | Nyle | humbolto: once again you have to ask the ubuntu devs |
| 14:57.15 | Nyle | or ##linux |
| 14:57.27 | Nyle | &support |
| 14:57.28 | aptitude | from memory, support is please do not email us or call the FSF Office for technical support, or http://www.fsf.org/prep/service.html |
| 14:57.52 | Nyle | hm |
| 14:58.16 | catsup | suppose alternative energy becomes cheaper than oil. then the price of oil will have to be lowered to compete... |
| 14:58.22 | suppaman | I wonder if I should upgrade to lenny |
| 14:58.27 | suppaman | I'd like to install warsow.. |
| 14:58.29 | Nyle | catsup: I hope so |
| 14:58.40 | Nyle | suppaman: what is warsow |
| 14:58.50 | catsup | Nyle: it's global suicide, of course, to burn up all the fossil fuel |
| 14:59.14 | dutchfish | catsup, we should try to reserve oil for other things then fuel, that's the hidden agenda |
| 14:59.34 | catsup | dutchfish: yes, we should. i don't know about any hidden agenda though |
| 14:59.42 | Nyle | war |
| 14:59.48 | Nyle | lots of war |
| 15:00.24 | suppaman | Nyle: a fps game |
| 15:00.31 | Nyle | suppaman: is it not in testing ? |
| 15:00.37 | dutchfish | catsup, earth's minerals will be depleted sooner then there will be a lack of energy, think of rare metals, oil etc |
| 15:00.38 | suppaman | it is |
| 15:00.41 | suppaman | isn't lenny testing ? |
| 15:00.44 | Nyle | yes |
| 15:00.48 | Nyle | so install it |
| 15:00.49 | suppaman | Nyle: I'm on stable tho' |
| 15:00.53 | Nyle | suppaman: oh |
| 15:00.56 | Nyle | thats what I thought |
| 15:00.57 | suppaman | ;-) |
| 15:00.59 | dutchfish | catsup, but of coarse this is afftopic in here ;) |
| 15:01.02 | suppaman | I just installed from cd |
| 15:01.05 | Nyle | ok so simply do this |
| 15:01.13 | suppaman | Nyle: I know how to upgrade |
| 15:01.13 | Nyle | suppaman: /msg dpkg simple sid backport |
| 15:01.18 | Nyle | do not upgrade please |
| 15:01.22 | Nyle | !dnuts |
| 15:01.26 | Nyle | &dnuts |
| 15:01.27 | aptitude | rumour has it, dnuts is Do Not Upgrade To Sid - or Deez Nuts - see <sid upgrade>, or see </msg dpkg sid faq> |
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| 15:01.42 | suppaman | not sid, I wanted to upgrade to lenny |
| 15:01.42 | Nyle | stay with stable, and try to backport the game to stable |
| 15:01.43 | xuser | Nyle: he said lenny not sid |
| 15:01.46 | Nyle | its almost trivial |
| 15:01.48 | Nyle | I understand |
| 15:02.06 | Nyle | but the only difference between testing and sid is umm.. a few weeks. |
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| 15:02.14 | suppaman | where did dpkg go ? |
| 15:02.19 | Nyle | I generally meant, don't upgrade, use backport |
| 15:02.31 | suppaman | I'll try, but dpkg isn't available atm |
| 15:02.38 | Nyle | &dpkgbot |
| 15:02.39 | aptitude | hmm... dpkgbot is Please visit http://wiki.debian.org/IRC/DpkgBot to learn how to effectively search the factoids database for FAQ, and not flood in the channel with !tell <who> about <what>. Also see <msg the bot>. We ask that you learn to search for yourself first, unless it is a specific problem. Many questions are asked repeatedly, and the factoid database can be of great help to you. |
| 15:02.58 | Nyle | list of backup bots and the online factoid search provided by stew is contained in the wiki |
| 15:03.02 | Nyle | please consult it |
| 15:03.02 | dutchfish | i try to setup ircdancer with blootbot on debian etch. So far ircdancer is working properly and bloodbot is connected, but i cant get it connected to a channel, am i missing something? I tried googling for docs a few hours, however nothing that documents this thing. I would love if someone would help me out with this. |
| 15:03.16 | suppaman | weird thing is lenny warsow (0.31) requires libc6 2.6 while sid warsow (0.32) requires libc6 2.5.5 .. |
| 15:03.19 | suppaman | isn't that weird ? |
| 15:03.28 | Nyle | really? |
| 15:03.35 | suppaman | I just checked pdo |
| 15:03.39 | itchi | suppaman: Well, dpkg is still drunken |
| 15:03.48 | suppaman | Christmas ? |
| 15:03.51 | Nyle | dons on holiday i guess |
| 15:03.54 | Dantix | hi #debian!, I need to install 2 new servers and for convenience I'm using netinstall cd. So the first server will download 607 files... are there a way to use those files to install the second server and avoid to re-download all files again? |
| 15:03.59 | Nyle | soon as he gets back we'll have dpkg |
| 15:03.59 | wols | suppaman: making out with the botchicks |
| 15:04.01 | humbolto | I am unable to create an Ubuntu Xen guest on etch with xen-tools/xen-create-image. |
| 15:04.12 | suppaman | anyway I didn't knew about backports, I'll give it a try thanks |
| 15:04.21 | Nyle | &simple sid backport |
| 15:04.22 | aptitude | First: See if the package has already been backported. Ask me about <backports>. If it hasn't, 1) Add a deb-src line for sid to your sources.list. 2) apt-get update 3) apt-get build-dep packagename;apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resultant debs. |
| 15:04.28 | Nyle | suppaman: very easy |
| 15:04.28 | xuser | dutchfish: read the man pages of those apps? |
| 15:04.30 | dutchfish | Dantix, squid or apt-cache or a private repo |
| 15:04.30 | humbolto | E: No such script: /usr/lib/debootstrap/scripts/gutsy |
| 15:04.41 | dutchfish | xuser, there arent any afaik |
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| 15:05.24 | white_eagle | !nodpkg |
| 15:05.25 | Nyle | alright guys |
| 15:05.30 | Nyle | I'm gonna try to get high |
| 15:05.31 | wols | humbolto: gutsy came out after etch so how could etch debootstrap know about it? |
| 15:05.32 | Nyle | take care |
| 15:05.33 | white_eagle | !bots |
| 15:05.35 | Nyle | use & instead of ! |
| 15:05.50 | Nyle | &hi |
| 15:05.51 | aptitude | hello, nyle |
| 15:05.51 | dutchfish | xuser, quoted from the manpage: Brief setup instructions can be found in /usr/share/doc/bloot‐bot/README.Debian. There is no other documentation, sorry. |
| 15:05.59 | Nyle | &greet white_eagle |
| 15:06.00 | aptitude | Hello, white_eagle |
| 15:06.02 | Nyle | there |
| 15:06.07 | itchi | dutchfish: All bin packages should have a man page, if they don't have, make a bug report. Violing the Debian rules |
| 15:06.09 | wols | Dantix: put the files in /var/cache/apt/archives/ |
| 15:06.18 | white_eagle | &bot |
| 15:06.18 | aptitude | I ain't no stinkin' bot. I am a finely tuned and hand crafted tool. Oh wait... I guess I am a bot (that you should not abuse). |
| 15:06.19 | humbolto | wols: well, it does not even know about feisty nor about dapper. |
| 15:06.21 | itchi | Violating* |
| 15:06.34 | dutchfish | itchi, known ... but this dont help me out |
| 15:06.41 | wols | humbolto: how about using a ubuntu debootstrap? |
| 15:06.47 | itchi | dutchfish: Help the next one?? |
| 15:06.53 | Dantix | wols: but the second server isn't operational, how can I copy those files? |
| 15:07.20 | dutchfish | itchi, lack of docs is known i meant |
| 15:07.24 | wols | Dantix: that's for you to figure out. or you can use something like apt-proxy or apt-cacher |
| 15:07.26 | Nyle | itchi: vile villianous violer (violator) |
| 15:07.30 | Nyle | lots of V |
| 15:07.41 | itchi | Nyle: You like that :-p |
| 15:07.46 | Nyle | that was funny |
| 15:07.46 | Dantix | wols: thanks |
| 15:07.47 | Nyle | violer |
| 15:07.48 | Nyle | hehe |
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| 15:08.59 | dutchfish | itchi, i need this for educational purpose after christmas, will be lot of fun too, i gues |
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| 15:09.41 | dutchfish | itchi, maybe there are other channels i can ask? |
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| 15:10.02 | itchi | dutchfish: I don't know :-s Sorry |
| 15:10.16 | dutchfish | itchi, np, thx for trying :) |
| 15:10.25 | humbolto | wols: Yes, great somebody has an idea how to solve this. That's why I just asked before, if anybody would know about any problems arising when using an ubuntu bootstrap package under debian. |
| 15:10.50 | humbolto | wols: Excuse the tone. |
| 15:11.00 | Yancho | does debian automatically find the drivers of a pcmcia network card ? it is trendnet te100-pc16r |
| 15:11.24 | humbolto | wols: You are certainly right, and all I wanted to say was, that I already did that. |
| 15:11.31 | dutchfish | humbolto, did you try out cdedbootstrap? |
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| 15:11.35 | Nyle | Yancho: if debian etch does not, then testing will |
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| 15:11.37 | suppaman | should I use "sid" or "unstable" in sources.list ? |
| 15:11.46 | humbolto | wols: It is just that I read somewhere that there are incompartibilities. |
| 15:11.51 | asg | suppaman: if you have to ask, the answer is no |
| 15:11.56 | Nyle | Yancho: /msg aptitude d-i |
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| 15:11.59 | Yancho | Nyle i didnt install debian yet .. making sure i have everything within reach before i do |
| 15:12.18 | suppaman | asg: can you provide more details ? |
| 15:12.28 | asg | suppaman: /msg aptitude sid faq |
| 15:12.39 | Nyle | Yancho: you can simply start the debian installer just to see, you don't have to install anything |
| 15:12.46 | Nyle | just see if its picked up |
| 15:12.55 | Yancho | ow ok thanks Nyle :) |
| 15:13.09 | Yancho | just finishing the backup of the slow windows file and then i reboot :) |
| 15:13.18 | Nyle | i hope that card doesn't require a special 3rd party driver |
| 15:13.21 | Nyle | that might suck |
| 15:13.53 | Nyle | Yancho: look at that device in windows device manager |
| 15:14.01 | Nyle | see who is providing a driver fo rit |
| 15:14.22 | Nyle | if its provided by microsoft than more than likely an opensource driver for it exists too, since its a bit generic |
| 15:14.22 | Yancho | http://yancho.pastebin.com/d5be7fbf8 i dont think it needs |
| 15:14.34 | dutchfish | itchi, i will make a quick ride through on this, so far i solved 11 minor bugs in the perl code, ill post it in one go then when i have it working |
| 15:14.35 | Nyle | Yancho: you can actually go to kenshi muto's website, who is a DD |
| 15:14.37 | suppaman | asg: from faq sid and unstable are the same (as I recalled) but I remember someone on chan told me not to use testing and unstable but the codenames rather (or viceversa) |
| 15:14.40 | Yancho | no its a proprietry . .but the paste i gave u is from the section of trendnet's drivers |
| 15:14.44 | Nyle | he has setup a Hardware Compatability List |
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| 15:14.49 | Nyle | hang on |
| 15:14.54 | Nyle | Yancho: hang on |
| 15:14.54 | itchi | dutchfish: That will be so good ;-) |
| 15:14.59 | Nyle | &kmuto |
| 15:15.00 | aptitude | For etch (or sarge) with up-to-date kernels, see http://kmuto.jp/debian/d-i/ |
| 15:15.31 | humbolto | dutchfish, wols: Debian is using major number 254 for LVM while Ubuntu is using 253 which can result in problems with lilo. (from here unfortunately in german: http://wiki.hetzner.de/index.php/Ubuntu_mit_LVM_und_RAID1_aus_dem_Rescue-System_installieren) |
| 15:15.39 | Nyle | &hcl |
| 15:15.40 | aptitude | i guess hcl is at http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/Hardware-HOWTO/, or see http://www.linuxcompatible.org/compatlist3.html to see what's supported by the linux kernel, or http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/, or http://www.linuxquestions.org/hcl/, or <pciid ... [xxxx:yyyy] ala lspci -nn> |
| 15:15.47 | Nyle | there it is |
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| 15:15.55 | asg | suppaman: that is true, if you use lenny(testing) or sid(unstable) bad things won't happen when a new version goes stable. However, that doesn't mean one should use sid or testing unless they are prepared to help fix and diagnose bugs. |
| 15:16.01 | Nyle | Yancho: http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/ |
| 15:16.12 | Nyle | Yancho: go here and do what it says, it will tell you the driver you need to use |
| 15:16.14 | Nyle | hopefully |
| 15:16.40 | dutchfish | humbolto, "is using" in wich package? you mean dbootstrap? |
| 15:16.43 | Yancho | heh problem is how to do it :) i cannot do that command yet :) still windows installation |
| 15:16.51 | Nyle | thats fine |
| 15:16.55 | Nyle | im just letting you know |
| 15:17.00 | Nyle | you do it when you want/can |
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| 15:17.33 | humbolto | dutchfish: in general. |
| 15:17.48 | wols | humbolto: a) there is no lilo anywhere. b) do you really need LVM in a xen guest? |
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| 15:17.52 | spx2 | can I host an mp3 streaming server on a server with no sound card ? |
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| 15:17.56 | dutchfish | humbolto, ouchi, i gues ubuntu needs updates then? |
| 15:18.02 | Nyle | spx2: should be able to |
| 15:18.10 | Nyle | spx2: try icecast |
| 15:18.15 | spx2 | Nyle, have tried,no luck with icecast whatsoever |
| 15:18.24 | spx2 | Nyle, it's the 3rd time I try |
| 15:18.25 | Nyle | try #icecast? |
| 15:18.29 | Nyle | do they know anything |
| 15:18.44 | humbolto | wols: not in the xen guest, so I figure this "problem" actually would not matter, would it? |
| 15:19.02 | Yancho | Nyle well i hope it auto finds it heh :) |
| 15:19.09 | Yancho | btw did u check at the paste i gave u ? |
| 15:19.11 | suppaman | asg: I'm goint just to try a backport |
| 15:19.20 | suppaman | going* |
| 15:19.25 | Nyle | Yancho: no i did not, im trying to actually get high right now |
| 15:19.31 | Mitar | which packet on etch would you recommend for upnp support so that my Debian box acting like a router would support NAT port forwarding through upnp? I was using miniupnp ... but I cannot find any package for it ... |
| 15:19.44 | spx2 | Nyle, I'm trying now |
| 15:19.53 | Yancho | ow lol .. gluck and enjoy then :D moving out from this channel will help u hehe ;))) |
| 15:19.58 | suppaman | why aptitude suggests "apt-get" ? can't I source-build using aptitude ? |
| 15:20.02 | humbolto | dutchfish: what is the difference between cdebootstrap and debootstrap? apt-cache show, does not reveal much. |
| 15:20.07 | Nyle | Yancho: reading now |
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| 15:20.30 | enouf | Mitar: ipmasq and dnsmasq ? |
| 15:20.45 | enouf | oh, nm |
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| 15:21.03 | Nyle | package* |
| 15:21.03 | enouf | (btw, it's packages, not packet) |
| 15:21.04 | Mitar | port forwarding ... |
| 15:21.08 | Nyle | enouf: jinx |
| 15:21.10 | Mitar | ups :-) |
| 15:21.14 | Mitar | typo |
| 15:21.16 | dutchfish | wols, humbolto i am runnnig xen with lvm2 in xen-guests fine, but i did a plain etch setup, easy hands down. I experimented with installing debian form ubuntu and used cdedbootstrap that works fine for me, so i dont dig this... |
| 15:21.32 | enouf | upnp, i know not about, that's some sick mpoop implementation |
| 15:22.01 | dutchfish | !cdedbootstrap |
| 15:22.07 | Nyle | use & |
| 15:22.14 | Mitar | sick, why? |
| 15:22.21 | techouse | gftp ftw! |
| 15:22.22 | Nyle | &cdedbootstrap |
| 15:22.28 | harpal | I want to make virtual LAN and than users can just join lan and than play game on IPX protocol |
| 15:22.29 | suppaman | what's the command to eject and atapi cdrom ? |
| 15:22.30 | Nyle | &bootstrap |
| 15:22.30 | aptitude | somebody said bootstrap was the method of booting an OS, ask about ybin, yaboot, Apple_Bootstrap, quik, lilo, silo, or grub. |
| 15:22.35 | suppaman | cdeject or so |
| 15:22.50 | suppaman | 'eject' |
| 15:23.19 | Nyle | ~hi |
| 15:23.22 | apt | hello, nyle |
| 15:23.28 | Nyle | slow |
| 15:23.29 | Mitar | &upnp |
| 15:23.29 | aptitude | i heard upnp is http://www.gupnp.org/ |
| 15:23.36 | Nyle | @hi |
| 15:23.38 | ravenbird | Many greetings, nyle, most strange traveller, to this IRCdom of plenty. |
| 15:23.46 | Nyle | badgers is not on |
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| 15:24.45 | enouf | isn't cdedebootstrap mainly for the installer only? |
| 15:24.46 | dutchfish | humbolto, sorry my typo : cdebootstrap |
| 15:24.47 | Nyle | simonrvn: how come the bots don't preserve the nick case? |
| 15:25.03 | enouf | right |
| 15:25.24 | enouf | i'm like wtf, with all these cdecdedecde |
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| 15:25.27 | Nyle | enouf: yo |
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| 15:25.31 | enouf | yo ma |
| 15:25.35 | Nyle | yo yo ma |
| 15:25.39 | enouf | boutros |
| 15:25.50 | Nyle | Qualinest |
| 15:25.51 | dutchfish | humbolto, http://packages.debian.org/nl/lenny/cdebootstrap-static or use backports |
| 15:26.03 | enouf | gah - boutros boutros ghali :-p |
| 15:26.08 | Nyle | dutchfish: you're not the same as thingfish maybe? |
| 15:26.22 | Nyle | or always dutchfish? |
| 15:26.23 | suppaman | enouf: where's that line from ? |
| 15:26.30 | enouf | suppaman: Seinfeld ;-) |
| 15:26.31 | nios | in my sources.list there is nothing, where to find good sources? |
| 15:26.31 | dutchfish | Nyle, sorry? nope i use only this avatar, nothing else |
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| 15:26.42 | suppaman | enouf: tv serie ? |
| 15:26.43 | Nyle | oh ok, there is thingfish as well |
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| 15:26.47 | Nyle | &seen thingfish |
| 15:26.48 | aptitude | thingfish <n=Mark_Rus@c-69-247-202-62.hsd1.mo.comcast.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 115d 15h 41m 16s ago, saying: 'oh wait, one on this box'. |
| 15:26.57 | Nyle | damn, hes been out a while |
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| 15:27.10 | enouf | suppaman: yeah, at the LI hamptons, they see georges girlfriend sunbathing topless |
| 15:27.11 | Fish-Guts | hi folks |
| 15:27.13 | Nyle | i wonder if he migrated to ubuntu |
| 15:27.27 | dutchfish | Nyle, why? i hope this is not bad? |
| 15:27.27 | enouf | suppaman: they, being jerry and kramer |
| 15:27.36 | Nyle | oh no |
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| 15:27.40 | Nyle | hes cool |
| 15:27.44 | Nyle | and you too |
| 15:27.47 | suppaman | enouf: I don't know what Seinfeld is so I don't know who 'they' are, I just guessed it |
| 15:27.50 | Fish-Guts | i've been using ubuntu for a while, but since i got lots of problems, i'm thinking about changing to debian. what are this advantages to debian vs ubuntu? |
| 15:27.58 | nvz | I burned an ubuntu cd recently but only tried it on this laptop, and it was missing firmware for the shitty broadcom wireless so I didn't fool with it much |
| 15:28.05 | dutchfish | Nyle, [bows politely] |
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| 15:28.30 | suppaman | a tricky one, when I have both sid and etch in sources.list how can I specify I want libjpeg-dev from etch rather than from sid ? |
| 15:28.32 | Nyle | Jerry Seinfeld is a genius about social stuff |
| 15:28.39 | jeremy_c | How can I go about debuging interupt problems? Symptoms are my keyboard/mouse begin to be very slow at response, when I have 90% signal strength on wireless, it just disconnects sometimes while in Debian. CPU usage is fine (0% most of the time) |
| 15:28.42 | nvz | if I ever get around to burning the recovery dvds for these notebooks I was gonna put some kind of linux on them |
| 15:28.47 | Nyle | nvz: i have broadcom too |
| 15:29.00 | Nyle | i honestly gave a sincere shot to each ubuntu release |
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| 15:29.01 | suppaman | now I've just edited sources.list, commented out sid, updated, installed libjepg-dev and made all steps backward to reenable sid |
| 15:29.06 | stew | i have a device with only a wired connection, and my laptop which has both wireless and wired. i want to bridge my eth0/wlan0 connections so that this device appears to be on the same local network that my wlan0 is on |
| 15:29.15 | nvz | yeah kept spewing messages something about couldnt fint bcw43xx_miracode.fw or something of the sort |
| 15:29.18 | stew | do i need to give my eth0 an ip address? |
| 15:29.18 | enouf | suppaman: well, upon seeing the spectacle, kramer says "yo yo ma" and jerry replies, "boutros boutros ghali" :-P (the former is a real Concert celloist virtuoso, the latter was the UN security council leader?) |
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| 15:29.19 | Nyle | I just can't like it, its horrible. I try to give it a shot, but the more I use it, the more I am reminded of the quality of debian |
| 15:29.38 | Nyle | debian has to be the greatest thing since sliced bread |
| 15:29.45 | enouf | prior to koffi annon (sp) |
| 15:30.05 | nvz | Nyle: idk I think sliced bread predates peanut butter |
| 15:30.15 | Nyle | enouf: I went to a bar with my guitar, an open mic night, and people said I was like a virtouso too |
| 15:30.24 | enouf | Nyle: you are \o/ |
| 15:30.25 | Nyle | thats was pretty cool man, felt nice to hear that |
| 15:30.31 | Nyle | heh, thanks man |
| 15:30.33 | enouf | sure does |
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| 15:30.59 | suppaman | now again, I have to install libsdl-dev in order to get warsow build-dep'ed but I'd like to use stable packages and not sid |
| 15:31.03 | Nyle | nvz: you've no doubt seen the family guy rendition of how peanut butter came about |
| 15:31.24 | valdyn | enouf: http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boutros_Boutros-Ghali |
| 15:31.31 | nvz | stew: generally when you bridge connections you add them both to the bridge, then the br0 interface is the one that gets the address |
| 15:31.32 | Nyle | enouf: diff scene than I am thinking |
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| 15:32.38 | Nyle | enouf: Kramer was throwing a party and he didn't invite Joe Davola, so Joe Davola kicked Kramer in the head, and when he came to visit Jerry, Jerry said something and he goes Yo Yo Ma!, and then Jerry makes an appointment for him with a Doctor |
| 15:32.40 | stew | nvz: that's how it is now, however packets don't seem to begetting through |
| 15:32.48 | nvz | Nyle: probably, though I don't recall.. I don't know why I like Family Guy but not the Simpsons, I think its easily dumber |
| 15:33.05 | Nyle | nvz: so did you do any more work on the music application you were working on |
| 15:33.27 | nvz | Nyle: no I never even started it, I still dont know what I am trying to do really with that. |
| 15:33.50 | Nyle | nvz: I thought you wanted to be like a theory/composition teaching tool |
| 15:33.57 | Nyle | wanted it* |
| 15:34.08 | nvz | Nyle: yeah if I knew 100% music theory that should be easy |
| 15:34.14 | Nyle | I do |
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| 15:34.17 | YumYum29 | if i am on termianl what do i type to install kde? |
| 15:34.21 | Nyle | I told you that monthsa go :) |
| 15:34.22 | nvz | but there are plenty of things I don't understand well enough to code |
| 15:34.26 | Nyle | ahh |
| 15:34.31 | Nyle | thats it then |
| 15:35.09 | Nyle | YumYum29: aptitude install kde |
| 15:35.10 | Nyle | as root |
| 15:35.21 | Nyle | actually many diff kde packages based on what you want |
| 15:35.29 | nvz | I do want to have a decent guitar companion program but I'm barely back into coding at all, and money is the prime motie |
| 15:35.32 | nvz | motive even |
| 15:35.33 | Nyle | here is a easy way to remember like in building blocks |
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| 15:35.50 | Nyle | &install kde |
| 15:35.50 | aptitude | The metapackage 'kde' installs tons of stuff (almost the full KDE), 'kde-core' only the core. To install KDE instead of GNOME during Debian installation if you're not installing from the KDE CD, supply "tasks=standard, kde-desktop" at d-i's boot prompt. For more details, see http://wiki.debian.org/KdeDebInstall |
| 15:35.55 | enouf | Nyle: right .. that's a diff scene. and he said cause he was scared, he got his motorcycle helmet crushed from the kick, haha |
| 15:36.03 | Nyle | yeh |
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| 15:36.51 | nvz | I'm working on a sort of database app right now which I am probably gonna abort too as I've had a demo interface up for 3 weeks and not heard any feedback from the person who wants it.. I've just been using the things I've learned to port my own utilities to python |
| 15:37.07 | Nyle | why python |
| 15:37.16 | nvz | cause its what I am comfortable with |
| 15:37.17 | Nyle | pithone |
| 15:37.25 | Nyle | word |
| 15:37.35 | Nyle | I am partial to C# |
| 15:37.50 | nvz | I can sit down for hours writing declarations in C/C++ and I'm ready to give up before the damn thing does anything |
| 15:37.59 | nvz | python gives me instant results |
| 15:37.59 | Nyle | heh |
| 15:38.01 | wols | Nyle: ew |
| 15:38.06 | Nyle | yueh i know shut up |
| 15:38.08 | Yancho | how do u suggest i partition a 12.1 GB hdd? shall i use the default one and put all files in 1 parittion ? |
| 15:38.25 | wols | Yancho: yesw |
| 15:38.36 | wols | swap partition too of course |
| 15:38.40 | enouf | well, the Hamptons scene is on an outdoor deck right on the sound/ocean, and george goes off to buy tomatos and has not yet seen his gf naked/nude, and yet she starts doing what i said, from afar, and eventually walks onto the deck right up to them as asks them if they want something like a cold drink (elasin is there too with a big hat - and jerry says "and then there's maude" hehe) -- ok, last now Nyle too much with this |
| 15:38.42 | Yancho | thanks wols |
| 15:38.53 | Nyle | Yancho: /, /home, /etc, swap |
| 15:39.05 | Nyle | or /tmp |
| 15:39.08 | catsup | Yancho: make a 150MB RAID-1 root partition and put the rest of the disk in LVM |
| 15:39.11 | Nyle | I like many partitions |
| 15:39.21 | Nyle | oranizin freak |
| 15:39.23 | Yancho | y Nyle ? |
| 15:39.24 | enouf | s/elesin/elaine |
| 15:39.44 | wols | enouf: how is this tripe debian related? |
| 15:39.46 | Yancho | it will be screwed within a week .. my dad is a guru and screwing os's :D |
| 15:39.56 | YumYum29 | Nyle: so i type "root aptitude install kde"? |
| 15:40.01 | wols | Yancho: then make a good backup image |
| 15:40.03 | Nyle | hell i have 100mb /boot, 8GB /, and /home 740GB here on this box |
| 15:40.04 | Yancho | catsup why a raid-1 root parition? |
| 15:40.30 | Nyle | YumYum29: not root |
| 15:40.32 | Nyle | YumYum29: you have to be root to use aptitude install kde |
| 15:40.39 | catsup | Yancho: in case you add another disk |
| 15:40.41 | Nyle | YumYum29: or use sudo if its installed |
| 15:40.51 | grub | Nyle, maybe then you can help me. Due to some bad partitioning scheme, i had a 3.2 GB / and its filled now, what to do? |
| 15:40.53 | Yancho | catsup no i wont .. its an old laptop .. from here to the rubbish |
| 15:40.57 | wols | catsup: now that's a stupid reason |
| 15:41.04 | catsup | wols: nonsense |
| 15:41.08 | Nyle | grub: any free space around this partition? |
| 15:41.18 | wols | catsup: running a degraded raid1 array is stupid |
| 15:41.24 | valdyn | grub: just run apt-get clean |
| 15:41.26 | Nyle | use parted and try to resize partitions |
| 15:41.27 | catsup | wols: nonsense |
| 15:41.30 | Nyle | thats all i can suggest |
| 15:41.34 | Nyle | valdyn: good call |
| 15:41.40 | grub | valdyn, i have a diffrent /var so its not a problem i think |
| 15:41.43 | Yancho | wols using the default it gave me #1 primary 11.7gb ext3 and logiacal 378.3mb swap .. do u think it makese sense? |
| 15:41.45 | wols | catsup: do you have any arguments or are you simply wanking? |
| 15:41.48 | valdyn | grub: true |
| 15:41.49 | grub | Nyle, free speace yeah, not nearby |
| 15:41.49 | Nyle | grub: also remove stuff you don't need/want |
| 15:41.56 | wols | Yancho: imho yes |
| 15:41.58 | valdyn | grub: what's taking that much space though? |
| 15:42.01 | grub | Nyle, was trying that since some time :( |
| 15:42.01 | catsup | a degraded raid1 array is more powerful than a straight partition |
| 15:42.08 | Nyle | grub: you might have to arrange the space in some order by maybe having to move partitions |
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| 15:42.11 | catsup | it can do everything the other can do and more |
| 15:42.18 | grub | Nyle, move? |
| 15:42.23 | grub | valdyn, maybe stuff installed? |
| 15:42.30 | Nyle | i dunno if anything can move partitions around in linux you might have to go deeper to low level partition table editing |
| 15:42.46 | Nyle | if you don't feel comfortable with it, try some stuff like partition magic etc. to see if they can move the linux parititon around |
| 15:42.50 | dutchfish | catsup, like break up your system? |
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| 15:43.00 | Nyle | adjust your free space and then grow your parition thats full |
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| 15:43.04 | catsup | dutchfish: break up your system? |
| 15:43.05 | Nyle | basically resize |
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| 15:43.12 | Yancho | Nyle good news :)) the card is working ;) |
| 15:43.18 | Nyle | Yancho: cool |
| 15:43.20 | grub | hmm |
| 15:43.28 | dutchfish | catsup, if 1 disk fail .... |
| 15:43.30 | Nyle | or buy a new disk |
| 15:43.31 | catsup | use LVM for everythin gpossible. But since you can't boot from LVM, use raid1. |
| 15:43.34 | Nyle | hdds are CHEAP! |
| 15:43.47 | supa_user | how does one properly set 'options e1000......' on a debian lenny/sid box? create a new file in modprobe.d ? |
| 15:43.51 | catsup | dutchfish: what? if you have 1 disk and it fails then you have 0 disks |
| 15:44.00 | Nyle | catsup: lol |
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| 15:44.06 | dutchfish | catsup, yup you got it |
| 15:44.19 | Nyle | catsup: you still have 1 disk, but 0 functional ones. :) |
| 15:44.24 | Nyle | ignore me, bad joke |
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| 15:45.12 | catsup | dutchfish: eh? i still duno what you mean by 'break up' |
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| 15:45.23 | dutchfish | catsup, but of coarse you have a good backup policy in place ;) |
| 15:45.27 | Nyle | what is today? |
| 15:45.28 | Nyle | wed? |
| 15:45.39 | Nyle | eh |
| 15:45.41 | wols | Nyle: honorary sunday here in .de. and it shows |
| 15:45.53 | Nyle | heh |
| 15:45.56 | dutchfish | :) |
| 15:46.26 | suppaman | Nyle: what broadcom do you have ? |
| 15:46.31 | Nyle | 4306 |
| 15:46.33 | catsup | suppaman: um, why yes |
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| 15:46.46 | suppaman | I was afk, did anyone reply me about installing a package from a specific repository ? |
| 15:46.54 | Nyle | and its driver has been patched for injection |
| 15:47.00 | suppaman | catsup: what about yes ? |
| 15:47.05 | Nyle | and now I own 18 wireless networks in my building ;) |
| 15:47.12 | wols | @wayttd suppaman |
| 15:47.12 | ravenbird | What Are You Trying To Do, suppaman? |
| 15:47.36 | suppaman | wols: to backport warsow, so I've added a sid line to sources.list |
| 15:47.40 | catsup | suppaman: modprobe |
| 15:47.51 | Nyle | suppaman: ok now apt-get update |
| 15:47.53 | suppaman | catsup: I'm sorry I'm pretty lost |
| 15:47.54 | wols | suppaman: a deb line or a deb-src line? |
| 15:47.57 | Nyle | suppaman: you have tou nderstand the process |
| 15:48.00 | Nyle | suppaman: letme explain |
| 15:48.02 | suppaman | wols: actually both |
| 15:48.02 | nvz | suppaman: use pinning, or otherwise it will prefer the newer version |
| 15:48.06 | wols | suppaman: wrong |
| 15:48.08 | suppaman | Nyle: thanks I already got it |
| 15:48.15 | suppaman | wols: ok I'll remove deb |
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| 15:48.32 | catsup | oh |
| 15:48.41 | catsup | i meant to respond to supa_user not suppaman |
| 15:48.42 | YumYum29 | how to i start GUI (x server) from terminal? |
| 15:48.47 | catsup | sorry! |
| 15:48.59 | wols | YumYum29: startx ? |
| 15:49.05 | nvz | YumYum29: xinit, or startx |
| 15:49.08 | enouf | YumYum29: startkde? |
| 15:49.10 | suppaman | wols: right so only etch deb lines will be used to satisfy dependencies |
| 15:49.10 | dutchfish | YumYum29, ssh -X |
| 15:49.12 | Nyle | suppaman: you have to first add the deb-src (source) for sid in your etch sources.list. Then apt-get update to find out what packages the deb-src line has. Then you tell debian to get packges that are needed to BUILD the pakcage you are backporting with apt-get build-source pkgname |
| 15:49.16 | wols | suppaman: yes |
| 15:49.22 | nvz | YumYum29: or /etc/init.d/gdm start or such |
| 15:49.26 | Nyle | then you simply install the package with dpkg i |
| 15:49.27 | Nyle | -i |
| 15:49.30 | suppaman | Nyle: I'm not _that_ noob :-) I got the whole backport thing |
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| 15:49.34 | Nyle | ok |
| 15:49.51 | wols | suppaman: if you did you wouldn't have put a deb sid line in your sources.list |
| 15:49.51 | Nyle | you won't beleve how many people blindly type commands |
| 15:50.18 | enouf | does /etc/init.d/?dm start actually work? and which one will it choose , say if 3 are installed, hehe |
| 15:50.20 | suppaman | wols: I added it just in case, but I see the backport concept is to build the source on the actual (previous) system |
| 15:50.22 | Nyle | er.. |
| 15:50.24 | Nyle | hang on |
| 15:50.35 | catsup | enouf: alternatives |
| 15:50.35 | nvz | well I think its time for me to get away from this terminal and go see where all the money is.. I'm about broke |
| 15:50.37 | enouf | nvz: telinit 2 :-p |
| 15:50.46 | nvz | enouf: o.O |
| 15:50.47 | Nyle | you do apt-get build-dep blah |
| 15:50.48 | suppaman | very nice |
| 15:50.52 | Nyle | not build-source goddman brain fart |
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| 15:50.57 | Nyle | you do -b source later |
| 15:51.05 | catsup | enouf: debian puts everything in runlevel 2 and never uses other runlevels by default |
| 15:51.16 | suppaman | sure, as in aptitude msg and in http://wooledge.org/~greg/sidfaq.html#1 |
| 15:51.16 | enouf | catsup: i know - thanks |
| 15:51.18 | catsup | oh |
| 15:51.21 | suppaman | afk again |
| 15:51.29 | Nyle | suppaman: good luck |
| 15:51.29 | enouf | catsup: that wasn't my premise |
| 15:51.46 | Nyle | enouf: tool. |
| 15:52.30 | nvz | catsup: actually all runlevels 2-5 are configured the same |
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| 15:53.00 | nvz | I wouldn't say it puts everything into runlevel 2, it puts links into all runlevels 2-5 |
| 15:53.03 | enouf | (as default) |
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| 15:54.09 | supa_user | catsup: so you're saying just create a /etc/modprobe.d/e1000 file and it'll be read by modprobe? |
| 15:54.35 | enouf | supa_user: modinfo e1000 for avail params |
| 15:54.53 | nvz | I think you had better change your domain then, cause your system isn't even getting booted with init if you ignore all that |
| 15:54.54 | catsup | supa_user: according to the man page, not if /etc/modules.conf exists |
| 15:54.59 | enouf | supa_user: /etc/modules is where you place a module name to be seen at boot |
| 15:55.08 | catsup | erm, modprobe.conf |
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| 15:55.26 | supa_user | there is no modprobe.conf |
| 15:55.32 | catsup | nvz: sigh |
| 15:55.46 | supa_user | 'modinfo e1000' also returns nothing. |
| 15:55.55 | enouf | supa_user: as root? |
| 15:56.05 | enouf | or /sbin/modinfo e1000 |
| 15:56.11 | supa_user | yep. i hit up and tried it again and it worked. weird. |
| 15:56.33 | catsup | nvz: you are trying to contradict me by telling me things you know i already know... |
| 15:56.46 | catsup | nvz: why would you do that? |
| 15:57.41 | nvz | I am not trying to contradict you at all |
| 15:57.47 | catsup | obviously when i say 'everything', there is a domain. for example, there is no yogurt in runlevel 2, therefore runlevel 2 does not contain everything. |
| 15:57.52 | enouf | catsup: well, let me ask you this, how do update-alternatives, /etc/alternatives, factor into a /etc/init.d/?dm start command? (especially when i said "if say 3 diff ones are installed") |
| 15:58.07 | nvz | I am trying to stop you from dispensing information that makes the system sound crippled or is otherwise innacurate |
| 15:58.19 | nvz | we know better, not everyone else soaking this in does |
| 15:58.59 | catsup | enouf: the alternatives system will set the default display manager |
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| 15:59.25 | suppaman | lol "should I use sid on my server?" "are you insane? no!" |
| 15:59.25 | enouf | catsup: that i know - and not what i asked, and not the premise - but ok, we'll leave it there |
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| 15:59.42 | catsup | enouf: well, what? what did you ask then? |
| 15:59.48 | nvz | in any case, I'm going to wander off.. I got things I want to do before this year is out, and I'm running out of time and money sitting here.. heh |
| 15:59.49 | suppaman | I issued apt-get -b with sudo but from what I see I could just have run it as user |
| 16:00.00 | suppaman | this debian ppc is a damn holy hand |
| 16:00.07 | enouf | catsup: and how do you set the default DM? no, not update-alternatives, through dpkg-reconfigure |
| 16:00.19 | ezguy | what is the different between xen-vserver-amd64 and xen-amd64 packages? |
| 16:00.22 | enouf | catsup: let's drop it |
| 16:00.29 | suppaman | I use debian on my p2 box that hasn't even got a monitor, being able to use it on my ibook is really cool |
| 16:00.40 | catsup | oh, it's not handled by alternatives? |
| 16:00.42 | suppaman | I'd only like to configure properly the keyboard |
| 16:00.42 | cast | ezguy: the vserver part... |
| 16:00.55 | ezguy | right |
| 16:00.57 | Fish-Guts | has anybody ever installed debian on a IBM Thinkpad? |
| 16:00.59 | enouf | catsup: nay - dpkg reconfigure <anyDMinstalled> |
| 16:01.05 | cast | ezguy: google/wikipedia vserver if you don't know what it is |
| 16:01.14 | Fish-Guts | the netinstall CD can't detect my cd drive :( |
| 16:01.16 | catsup | well, i just assumed it would be, oops |
| 16:01.19 | ezguy | i did |
| 16:01.20 | nvz | Fish-Guts: nobody, ever, in the history of debian or thinkpads has had that wild idea |
| 16:01.23 | enouf | catsup: x-window-manager however is handled through update-alternatives |
| 16:01.45 | flinx | Hi, i tryin to install packages fro desktop on basic debian system using 'tasksel' command, but tasksel is getting that packages from internet. How to tell tasksel to get packages from DVD's? i have 3 debian etch DVD's. |
| 16:02.02 | suppaman | nvz: do you dare imagine what could happen? |
| 16:02.04 | cast | Fish-Guts: i like debootstrap, if you can get any livecd working |
| 16:02.09 | Nyle | !tasksel |
| 16:02.13 | Nyle | &tasksel |
| 16:02.14 | aptitude | tasksel is probably the simple method of installation. simply run 'tasksel'. If it doesn't work, try updating Available packages by running 'dselect' and doing an Update, then quitting and trying tasksel again. If you don't want to use dselect, you can also 'apt-cache dumpavail > /var/lib/dpkg/available', to update the tasksel menu. Or forget all of that and just run "dselect update && tasksel", be happy, smile. Ask me about <server tasks>. |
| 16:02.17 | Nyle | do NOT use it |
| 16:02.20 | Nyle | goddamn it |
| 16:02.28 | enouf | catsup: a cool pkg, that helps with "what's avail to be dpkg-reconfigure" is configure-debian pkg |
| 16:02.33 | harpal | I want to make virtual LAN and than users can just join lan and than play game on IPX protocol |
| 16:02.42 | catsup | enouf: heh... i duno why you're tellin me this |
| 16:02.46 | YumYum29 | how do i install debian into vmware? |
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| 16:03.09 | enouf | catsup: well, finding out which ones are supposed to be handled that way makes life easy ;-) |
| 16:03.13 | Nyle | flinx: you have to go into the expert mode i think and then you can have an option to specify the mirrors list by hand, so do it, and add it there. you will have to use apt-cdrom i think but i dunno |
| 16:03.20 | Nyle | flinx: i'd rather not use tasksel |
| 16:03.41 | nvz | suppaman: what, if someone would try to do the unthinkable, and install debian on a thinkpad? |
| 16:03.46 | enouf | flinx: add a line in sources.list for your CD/DVD drive |
| 16:03.49 | catsup | enouf: i don't use xdm, but i just assumed it'd use alternatives, because it should |
| 16:04.04 | enouf | catsup: file a wish list bug |
| 16:04.19 | Nyle | wish list is not ao bug |
| 16:04.25 | Nyle | not a bug |
| 16:04.30 | eth01 | how can i use wake on lan for debian? |
| 16:04.36 | Nyle | eth01: bios controlled |
| 16:04.41 | catsup | especially if i don't actually wish anything about the package |
| 16:04.43 | eth01 | i want to sent a hit to some other system to pretty much waken it up? |
| 16:04.50 | asg | YumYum29: get a debian install iso (/msg aptitude d-i), have your vmware image boot from that. |
| 16:04.52 | Nyle | heh waken |
| 16:04.54 | Nyle | wake |
| 16:04.54 | eth01 | it's a black screen, no keyboard so can't do much. |
| 16:04.56 | flinx | enouf: I already added all DVD's with apt-cdrom add, but tasksel can't see it. |
| 16:04.56 | ezguy | cast: so if i want xen hvm i need to install xen-amd64 instead of xen-vserver-amd64? |
| 16:05.02 | enouf | flinx: like this, at the top of your sources.list file; deb file:///cdrom/ etch main |
| 16:05.04 | cast | eth01: there's two WOL programs in etch, |
| 16:05.11 | flinx | enouf: How to get to expert mode in tasksel? |
| 16:05.13 | enouf | flinx: oh |
| 16:05.13 | eth01 | like? :P |
| 16:05.25 | wols | flinx: does it even have an experst mode? |
| 16:05.34 | Nyle | i thought he was installing debian |
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| 16:05.38 | enouf | flinx: man tasksel, not sure, i never use it, but i know how to make it list packages and tasks |
| 16:05.41 | Nyle | so i said to ginto expert install |
| 16:06.11 | nvz | apparently there is such a thing as too many sources on p2p |
| 16:06.13 | Nyle | the tasksel doesn't have an expoert mode |
| 16:06.20 | Nyle | i was talking about the debian installer |
| 16:06.29 | nvz | 175 sources, and its not connected after like 2 mintues |
| 16:06.29 | Nyle | nvz: ? |
| 16:06.38 | Nyle | oh |
| 16:06.52 | flinx | enouf: I see |
| 16:07.03 | nvz | I could have went and got it off the other box by now |
| 16:07.29 | eth01 | cast: ? |
| 16:07.47 | nvz | I figured I could search the intarweb faster than my unorganized mess |
| 16:07.53 | cast | eth01: really, man aptitude\n/search\n |
| 16:07.54 | enouf | flinx: you might need to toy with the syntax, like file:/cdrom , or file://cdrom , or even file:///dev/cdrom - i'm showing you what's left over in mine, from a CD install years ago, that's commented out now |
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| 16:09.22 | suppaman | bye thanks all |
| 16:09.34 | eth01 | what work arounds are there for when you don't have WOL? |
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| 16:09.47 | nvz | eth01: work arounds? |
| 16:09.51 | cast | X-10? |
| 16:09.51 | enouf | eth01: etherboot is one |
| 16:10.10 | nvz | is that like a reacharound in the business world? |
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| 16:10.28 | cast | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/X10_(industry_standard) was what i was thinking |
| 16:10.38 | helo | how many clients is this for? |
| 16:10.52 | enouf | eth01: what's the ouput of "ethtool ethX | grep Wake-on" |
| 16:11.10 | enouf | eth01: replace ethX with eth0 eth1, whatever |
| 16:12.05 | enouf | eth01: for WOL, you enable it in the BIOS and your Network PCI NIC card usually has a 3wire going to a mobo header for it |
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| 16:13.16 | enouf | cast: and eth01 linuxtoys.org has some stuff about that perhaps (X10 and other things) |
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| 16:14.35 | enouf | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/INSTEON |
| 16:14.54 | enouf | man , i can sure quiet a channel, eh? </blabbermouth> |
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| 16:23.07 | eth01 | Cannot get device settings: No such device |
| 16:23.07 | eth01 | Cannot get wake-on-lan settings: No such device |
| 16:23.07 | eth01 | Cannot get message level: No such device |
| 16:23.07 | eth01 | Cannot get link status: No such device |
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| 16:23.18 | eth01 | tut tut :P |
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| 16:25.46 | eth01 | i dont think it supports it |
| 16:25.49 | eth01 | i'd have to check |
| 16:26.21 | Fish-Guts | does anybody have an idea whether ICH9 (intel 965 chipset) is supported on debian? i can't find a way to get my cd drive recognized |
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| 16:28.47 | wols | Fish-Guts: CD drive a PATA drive? |
| 16:29.16 | wols | Fish-Guts: if so then ICH9 is not the culprit but the sucky additional IDE chip from marvell |
| 16:29.19 | wols | @kmut |
| 16:29.21 | wols | @kmuto |
| 16:29.21 | ravenbird | For etch (or sarge) with up-to-date kernels, see http://kmuto.jp/debian/d-i/ |
| 16:29.33 | wols | try that installer, which is basically your almost only hope |
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| 16:32.21 | Fish-Guts | hmmm |
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| 16:34.45 | eth01 | why are you using such hardware anyway? |
| 16:34.52 | eth01 | get yourself an intel/amd based system |
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| 16:35.53 | Fish-Guts | it works now, i switch from Compatible to ACHI in the SATA menu |
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| 16:41.48 | StucKman | hi all. after a srage-to-etch upgrade, some groups are missing, like scanner, kvm and other nonimportant ones, and udev complains about it. how can I force their creation? |
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| 16:42.37 | cast | you could groupadd i imagine |
| 16:42.43 | claudio32 | how come I have a ghost |
| 16:42.48 | claudio32 | i closed mirc earlier |
| 16:43.04 | claudio32 | anyone to reset it? |
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| 16:43.33 | cast | claudio32: offtopic. /quote nickserv help. |
| 16:43.43 | claudio32 | thanks |
| 16:43.50 | enouf | eth01: run ethtool as sudo/su/root (or prefix with /sbin) |
| 16:43.54 | Yancho | is it hard to uninstall the default gui of debian and install xfce? |
| 16:44.17 | cast | Yancho: no. |
| 16:44.22 | enouf | eth01: oh and make that ethX to eth0 , or whatever your iface is |
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| 16:44.42 | cast | StucKman: http://rafb.net/p/6pk6GM63.txt is my /etc/groups FWIW |
| 16:44.48 | Yancho | cast do i have to do it via ssh / terminal or from the gui itself? btw default of debian is what? |
| 16:44.54 | enouf | eth01: and please don't paste into the channel like that |
| 16:45.19 | eth01 | enouf, it was an accident - why the hell do you continue it? |
| 16:45.24 | cast | Yancho: i guess the 'default' would be gnome, you canh do it either way. |
| 16:45.30 | eth01 | considering that was like 50 lines up or something. |
| 16:45.35 | cast | Yancho: i suggest just installing xfce |
| 16:45.48 | eth01 | if you want an argument in a public IRC channel, then carry on matey. |
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| 16:46.10 | Yancho | oki thanks cast :) |
| 16:46.41 | enouf | eth01: what are you talking about |
| 16:46.43 | enouf | ? |
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| 16:47.42 | enouf | @penixstrike eth01 |
| 16:47.42 | ravenbird | Stop using this. |
| 16:47.50 | enouf | haha |
| 16:47.52 | kbrooks | claudio32m, wassup? |
| 16:47.54 | cokeslut | yo |
| 16:48.02 | Nyle | groe up |
| 16:48.04 | enouf | yo, cokey |
| 16:48.18 | kbrooks | cokeslut, imo inappropriate nickname but thats just mo |
| 16:48.20 | Nyle | tools |
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| 16:48.34 | enouf | wannabees |
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| 16:48.43 | enouf | heh |
| 16:48.49 | stoned | sup |
| 16:48.57 | stoned | im back |
| 16:48.58 | enouf | [11:48:51] Ignoring eth01!* ... what a relief! |
| 16:49.03 | stoned | ! |
| 16:49.11 | stoned | stop advertising ignores |
| 16:49.16 | stoned | its lamer than irc arguments |
| 16:49.17 | eth01 | yeah |
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| 16:49.18 | stoned | geez |
| 16:49.18 | cast | and they lived happily ever after |
| 16:49.19 | enouf | stoned: the b0z0 is PM ing me .. |
| 16:49.20 | eth01 | it's pretty pathetic |
| 16:49.24 | stoned | don't include me into this |
| 16:49.32 | stoned | grow up and worship me instead |
| 16:49.35 | enouf | stoned: you included yourself |
| 16:49.52 | StucKman | enouf: you both included us all |
| 16:49.53 | stoned | you included yourself. |
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| 16:50.04 | enouf | cast: that's "co-exist "to you! ;-) |
| 16:50.05 | cast | i find the -time argument in irssi really handy, otherwise ignore list just balloons with obsolete ignores |
| 16:50.06 | eth01 | enouf, you sound like one of those little kiddys who plays with the 'hand me down' lego set - granny gave you. |
| 16:50.21 | stoned | eth01: dude shut it |
| 16:50.24 | kbrooks | eth01, enouf: um, ENOUGH |
| 16:50.33 | stoned | cast: tha too |
| 16:50.47 | enouf | later fools |
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| 16:50.52 | eth01 | i'm not your dude. |
| 16:50.54 | helo | you are the fool! |
| 16:53.35 | helo | will someone include me? |
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| 16:53.36 | cast | so anyway, is there some kind of mechanism that i can write to and have an arbitrary number of programs read from in parallel, each getting all that was written |
| 16:53.55 | inty | hey, how do i install alsa-firmware in debian? i'm used to the alsa-firmware package in gentoo... |
| 16:54.37 | cast | alsa-firmware-loaders that it? |
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| 16:57.52 | ozzilee | Hello. I'm using a fairly fresh debian install. Whenever I try to compile anything with gcc, I get "collect2: ld terminated with signal 4 [Illegal instruction]". I've no idea where to even start troubleshooting this. Help? |
| 16:58.22 | neotic | google? |
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| 16:58.42 | inty | cast: nah, i need the firmware for the indigodj, it's not in there as far as i can see |
| 16:58.51 | ozzilee | neotic: debian "ld terminated with signal 4" : gives me 4 hits, none of them helpful |
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| 16:59.02 | neotic | remove debian then |
| 16:59.52 | ozzilee | neotic: Well, that's extreme. I'll do that last resort. |
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| 17:00.10 | cast | inty: FWIW if its non-free then it shouldn't [..*cough*linux*] be in main, |
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| 17:01.27 | StucKman | ozzilee: seem slike the binary or something the ld executable is linked to i sborked. |
| 17:01.30 | kickback | which is the more secure ftp server "vsftpd or "proftpd", well as secure as ftp gets |
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| 17:01.47 | cast | vsftpd me votes |
| 17:02.02 | kickback | cast, why |
| 17:02.08 | StucKman | sometimes vsftpd is *too* paranoid |
| 17:02.18 | inty | cast: ah, debian and it's quirks :P... but it's not in contrib or non-free either.. |
| 17:02.24 | ozzilee | StucKman: Sounds reasonable. What do I need to apt-get remove to start reinstalling, do you know? I tried reinstalling gcc, didn't help. |
| 17:02.58 | ozzilee | Might not be related, but vim was crashing when I tried to open a file before I did a dist-upgrade. |
| 17:03.07 | StucKman | ozzilee: it's ld and ints deps what you should reinstall |
| 17:03.12 | StucKman | and its* |
| 17:03.31 | cast | kickback: i formed this opinion after reading a bit. |
| 17:04.02 | kickback | cast, everthing tends to lean to vsftpd |
| 17:04.10 | kickback | everything |
| 17:05.01 | claudio32m | before launching my shell service provider, is there other documentations besides linux adminsitration books i could refer to? |
| 17:05.06 | ozzilee | StucKman: Do you know what package contains ld? |
| 17:05.07 | claudio32m | to prevent hacks and stuch |
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| 17:05.17 | claudio32m | *such |
| 17:05.24 | StucKman | ozzilee: coming |
| 17:05.33 | cast | claudio32m: yeah, the freebsd or openbsd manuals |
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| 17:05.42 | claudio32m | allright |
| 17:05.48 | StucKman | ozzilee: dpkg -S $(which ld) |
| 17:05.50 | StucKman | binutils: /usr/bin/ld |
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| 17:06.02 | claudio32m | cast - they apply to debian as well? |
| 17:06.09 | cast | claudio32m: i think linux running shell providers are somewhat uncommon :P |
| 17:06.19 | ozzilee | StucKman: Ah, thanks. |
| 17:07.34 | cast | claudio32m: no, they would not [aside from debian gnu/kfreebsd] |
| 17:07.51 | acc_ | Hi, #Debian. I upgraded my lenny box to the 2.6.21-2-686 kernel last week and my network interfaces won't come up on boot or with ifup. Any thoughts as to what might be causing this? Thanks. |
| 17:08.16 | Lunar_Lamp | On one of my servers, any time I try to run any apt/aptitude commands I get the error: "E: dpkg was interrupted, you must manually run 'dpkg --configure -a' to correct the problem." When I run the command suggested it just 'freezes at "update-initramfs: Generating /boot/initrd.img-2.6.15-1-686-smp". I don't know what to do... |
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| 17:08.33 | lhadji | !tell acc_ about z25 |
| 17:08.40 | lhadji | Does that work? |
| 17:08.56 | stew | acc_: do you know what cards you have or which drivers they use? |
| 17:09.16 | ozzilee | StucKman: Success! Thanks. Not sure what got corrupted or how, but that did it. |
| 17:09.23 | StucKman | ozzilee: nice |
| 17:09.47 | cast | Lunar_Lamp: 2.6.15? however did you come to be using that? |
| 17:10.07 | Lunar_Lamp | cast, not sure - I didn't set this box up, but it's relatively old I believe. |
| 17:10.11 | stew | Lunar_Lamp: what version of debian are you running? |
| 17:10.18 | stew | Lunar_Lamp: how do you know it is frozen and not just thinking? |
| 17:10.35 | Lunar_Lamp | lenny/sid = version |
| 17:10.38 | acc_ | stew: Yes, I have an Intel 2200BG wireless (which was working perfectly before the upgrade) and a wired interface which does not appear to be visible w/ lspci at the moment... |
| 17:10.45 | cast | Lunar_Lamp: probably hasn't kept up with kernel security updates me thinks |
| 17:10.55 | lhadji | !z25 |
| 17:11.05 | acc_ | lhadji: Was that supposed to elicit a response from a bot? I didn't see anything. |
| 17:11.10 | stew | acc_: is the ipw2200 module loaded? |
| 17:11.12 | Lunar_Lamp | stew, no processes appear to be working as per top, and I've left this for over an hour or so previously with no progress - have to kill the ssh session. |
| 17:11.24 | acc_ | stew: According to lsmod, yes. |
| 17:11.39 | acc_ | ... as is ieee80211 |
| 17:11.46 | stew | acc_: if you run "iwconfig" do any interfaces show up as being wireless? |
| 17:11.58 | acc_ | stew: no |
| 17:12.20 | stew | acc_: can you run "modprobe -r ipw2200 ; modprobe ipw2200" and check dmesg for any errors, possibly you need a new firmware version |
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| 17:12.58 | stew | acc_: when you run "lspci" do you get any items that are unknown? or are they all described, but none are ethernet? |
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| 17:13.23 | acc_ | stew: AFAIK, I have the latest firmware (3.0). |
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| 17:13.30 | Lunar_Lamp | stew, the initramfs processes are in "interruptible sleep" mode according to "ps". |
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| 17:13.42 | gigo | I want to set some environment variables, which should be available as soon as the system boots so that the /etc/init.d scripts can make use of those variables. where should I define those variables? |
| 17:13.51 | acc_ | stew: no unknown devices. |
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| 17:14.09 | ezc | hi |
| 17:14.25 | stew | acc_: then either your ethernet is disabled in the bios, or it is not usable |
| 17:14.37 | lhadji | acc_ - /etc/udev/rules.d/z25_persistent-net.rules |
| 17:14.44 | lhadji | have a look in there :) |
| 17:14.49 | acc_ | acc_: modprobe gives the same error I see on boot: "ipw2200-bss.fw request_firmware failed: Reason -2", "Unable to load firmware: -2", "probe of 0000:05:04.0 failed with error -5" |
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| 17:15.34 | wols | @ipw2200 | acc_ |
| 17:15.40 | wols | @ipw2200 |
| 17:15.48 | wols | aptitude: you suck |
| 17:15.49 | aptitude | Dream on, wols. These lips will never touch your flesh. |
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| 17:15.57 | wols | acc_: you are missing the ipw2200 firmware |
| 17:16.01 | acc_ | lhadji: Interesting. eth2 is now eth1 |
| 17:16.07 | acc_ | wols: it's in /lib/firmware |
| 17:16.18 | wols | ipw2200-bss.fw request_firmware failed: Reason -2" says otherwise |
| 17:16.46 | acc_ | wols: That's what I figured, but it's there. ;) |
| 17:16.54 | stew | wols: what does Reason -2 mean? |
| 17:17.14 | wols | usually fail not found, no? |
| 17:17.24 | lhadji | acc_, change them back to the originals in the file |
| 17:17.29 | stew | wols: it was found, or else it would not have tried to load it into 0000:05:04.0, no? |
| 17:17.36 | acc_ | lhadji: Will try that, thanks. |
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| 17:17.41 | stew | acc_: does /lib/firmware/ipw2200-bss.fw exist? |
| 17:17.47 | lhadji | acc_ so the MACS apply to the name |
| 17:17.53 | stew | acc_: there is no reason to bother with z25 |
| 17:18.10 | acc_ | stew: Yes it does. |
| 17:18.32 | stew | acc_: can you put the output of "lsmod ; lspci -n" into a pastebin: /msg aptitude pastebin |
| 17:18.34 | acc_ | I also noticed that eth0 (wired) is not coming up |
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| 17:18.37 | acc_ | btw |
| 17:18.48 | acc_ | stew: will be difficult with absolutely no networking ;) |
| 17:18.50 | stew | acc_: do you know what kind of card eth0 is? |
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| 17:18.59 | Lunar_Lamp | stew, do you have any suggestions about my kernel/apt issue? |
| 17:19.05 | acc_ | stew: not sure but this is a Centrino box. |
| 17:19.06 | stew | acc_: lsmod and lspci should run fine without networking enabled |
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| 17:19.15 | stew | acc_: what kind of laptop is it? |
| 17:19.39 | acc_ | stew: Toshiba Satellite M45-S359 |
| 17:20.06 | claudio32m | how do I enable sshd logging? |
| 17:20.18 | claudio32m | to see what users type at the shell |
| 17:20.23 | claudio32m | in /var/log/sshd.log for example |
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| 17:20.33 | acc_ | lhadji: After editing that file, how can I bring up my "new" eth2 without rebooting? |
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| 17:20.41 | mbroeker | claudio32m, ask your users to use screen. |
| 17:20.47 | wols | acc_: ifup eth2 |
| 17:20.59 | cast | claudio32m: openssh does not come with such functionality |
| 17:21.17 | cahoot | and tell them you want to be party of their convos |
| 17:21.17 | claudio32m | syslogd ? |
| 17:21.23 | acc_ | hmm... "Failed to bring up eth2" |
| 17:21.25 | asmarin | if i use ssh -C can get significant upgrade performance on a 100MB lan? |
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| 17:22.00 | debianforlife | how can i pipe what is goin through my speakers to a wav file on my hard drive? |
| 17:22.09 | loca|host | i've read this post http://www.howtoforge.com/nfs-server-and-client-debian-etch |
| 17:22.17 | loca|host | and applied it on two servers |
| 17:22.19 | mbroeker | claudio32m, you need a keylogger or a root-kit for such things. or disable sshd and use telnetd... |
| 17:22.37 | loca|host | but still have Permissions denied when trying to write to the nfs mount |
| 17:22.52 | lhadji | wols, Are you sure editing that file doesn't require a reboot? |
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| 17:23.03 | wols | lhadji: which file? |
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| 17:23.09 | wols | @reboot |
| 17:23.09 | ravenbird | Not on your life cowboy :(, or are you using Window$? |
| 17:23.18 | loca|host | !nfs |
| 17:23.31 | acc_ | stew: lsmod and lspci work fine, but I will have to type that information into pastebin by hand. One sec. |
| 17:23.32 | lhadji | z25_persistent-net.rules |
| 17:23.33 | wols | lhadji: only times debian needs a reboot is with a new kernel or new hardware |
| 17:23.44 | timonator | the only thing that causes you to need to reboot is a kernel update and even then you can use kexec |
| 17:23.57 | wols | lhadji: restart udev |
| 17:24.13 | acc_ | I rebooted anyway. ;) |
| 17:24.16 | xlotlu | until kernel hotswapping is ready that is.. |
| 17:24.31 | timonator | kernel hotswapping? wowzers |
| 17:24.40 | wols | HA needs it |
| 17:24.47 | pickcoder | kernel hotswapping.. that sounds like a barrel of worms |
| 17:24.51 | acc_ | Still unable to load firmware. :P |
| 17:24.55 | wols | doesn#t mean it'll work for PCs. e.g. like PCI hotswapping |
| 17:25.17 | wols | acc_: what wlan chip? |
| 17:25.23 | acc_ | wols: ipw2200 |
| 17:25.30 | wols | are you sure? lspci confirms? |
| 17:25.48 | wols | lspci -n |grep -i eth |
| 17:25.57 | xlotlu | i think module hotswapping has been ready for some time |
| 17:25.59 | wols | should give you at most 2 lines you can type in here |
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| 17:26.46 | acc_ | lspci | grep -i wireless gives "Network controller: Intel Corporation PRO/Wireles 2200BG Network Connection (rev 05)". lspci -n | grep -i eth gives nothing. |
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| 17:28.23 | acc_ | The ipw2200 module is being loaded, but no eth2. |
| 17:28.47 | debianforlife | is there any way to have the output of my speakers go to a file on the hard drive? |
| 17:29.02 | mardi_soir | bonsoir |
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| 17:29.31 | mmlj4 | bonjour |
| 17:29.32 | pickcoder | debhelper: line-in loop back cable and record it |
| 17:29.35 | maddash | wols: lspci wouldn't give network interface names |
| 17:29.35 | DustyBin | i want to install centOS on debian etch using virtualization so I can mess around with it to see how it works, what other options are there apart from vmware to help me do this? |
| 17:29.37 | pickcoder | meh |
| 17:29.43 | pickcoder | ^^ debianforlife |
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| 17:30.07 | Lunar_Lamp | DustyBin, virtualbox? |
| 17:30.18 | mmlj4 | UML? |
| 17:30.19 | debianforlife | pickcoder, is there i cleaner way of doing it? |
| 17:30.24 | DustyBin | never heard of that, is that a debian package? |
| 17:30.45 | pickcoder | debianforlife: not without knowing the source |
| 17:31.05 | debianforlife | ok, that will work |
| 17:31.31 | bzed | DustyBin: vserver |
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| 17:31.42 | Lunar_Lamp | DustyBin, I believe so, yes. |
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| 17:32.01 | DustyBin | bzed: i dont like vserver, ive used that before, with vserver you need to use your own kernel |
| 17:32.06 | xlotlu | debianforlife: make your default alsa device clone to a second device using the file plugin |
| 17:32.19 | maddash | acc_: dmesg|grep ipw2200 |
| 17:32.23 | bzed | DustyBin: debian ships with a vserver kernel |
| 17:32.42 | debianforlife | xlotlu: how would i do that? |
| 17:32.47 | maddash | acc_: basically, check dmesg's output for ipw2200 relevant messages |
| 17:33.01 | DustyBin | yes i know, but id like to have the option of installing windows and freebsd and other OS |
| 17:33.04 | acc_ | maddash: been there, done that |
| 17:33.08 | xlotlu | debianforlife: you'd read a lot of alsa manuals, but it's pretty simple once you understand the conf |
| 17:33.13 | maddash | acc_: and? |
| 17:33.17 | DustyBin | vserver = advanced chroot, not virtualization |
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| 17:33.48 | debianforlife | ok, google.com should get me there :P |
| 17:34.11 | acc_ | maddash: As I mentioned earlier, I'm seeing various errors. |
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| 17:34.44 | xlotlu | debianforlife: there's a wiki on alsa-project.org |
| 17:34.45 | maddash | acc_: and how would that help me help you? |
| 17:34.58 | acc_ | maddash: odprobe gives the same error I see on boot: "ipw2200-bss.fw request_firmware failed: Reason -2", "Unable to load firmware: -2", "probe of 0000:05:04.0 failed with error -5" |
| 17:35.04 | xlotlu | debianforlife: maybe if you manage to do it put the info there :) |
| 17:35.11 | debianforlife | xlotlu, i just found that, thanks |
| 17:35.13 | pickcoder | acc_: is the firmware corrupt? |
| 17:35.22 | pickcoder | I.E. have you tried a different fw package? |
| 17:35.32 | acc_ | pickcoder: good question, but don't suppose how that could've happened |
| 17:35.52 | debianforlife | <xlotlu> you say that like there is no know way to do this.. |
| 17:36.03 | maddash | acc_: do you have the firmware? what version? where does it live? |
| 17:36.11 | xlotlu | debianforlife: huh? |
| 17:36.14 | acc_ | maddash: Yes. 3.0. /lib/firmware |
| 17:36.15 | robin_sz | confused .. I have cupsd running, as root ... I have a cups backend script, that gets picked up by cupsd and run, the enviroment vars suggest USER is root, yet, when it calls sudo, sudo starts asking for passwords, which, sudo doesnt normally do when run as root ... |
| 17:36.51 | Yancho | how can i uninstall gnome from debian so i can install xfce please? |
| 17:36.53 | debianforlife | xlotlu: "maybe if you manage to do it put the info there" If it told how to do it there would be no info to put there |
| 17:36.57 | debianforlife | it would already be there |
| 17:36.57 | bzed | robin_sz: just use su |
| 17:36.58 | maddash | acc_: what version ipw is this? |
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| 17:37.11 | acc_ | maddash: 1.2.0kmq |
| 17:37.23 | xlotlu | debianforlife: heh, no, i'm pretty sure it's doable in a simple way :) |
| 17:37.26 | acc_ | maddash: kernel is 2.6.21-2-686 fwf |
| 17:37.36 | acc_ | s/fwf/fwiw/ |
| 17:37.44 | maddash | 'fwiw'? |
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| 17:38.31 | acc_ | maddash: http://acronyms.thefreedictionary.com/FWIW |
| 17:38.55 | acc_ | (Debian 2.6.21-6~bpo.1) |
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| 17:39.24 | xlotlu | debianforlife: look, the simple way if your sound card is more advanced and has a capture device: http://alsa.opensrc.org/index.php/Record_from_pcm |
| 17:39.26 | maddash | acc_: my day job prohibits me from spending so much time on the internet so as to start using obscure, hackneyed, and meaningless acronyms |
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| 17:39.48 | acc_ | maddash: for what it's worth |
| 17:39.57 | xlotlu | debianforlife: if not, then it's clone (plug) device + file plugin |
| 17:40.10 | debianforlife | cool, ill try that |
| 17:40.12 | debianforlife | thanks |
| 17:40.24 | robin_sz | bzed: ok, ta, |
| 17:41.34 | acc_ | pickcoder: I just re-installed the firmware with what I've got in my archive and still no go. |
| 17:41.45 | Fish-Guts | hey folks i need some help with my wireless adapter in my thinkpad R61i. i installed ipw3945-modules-<mykernel> and the firmware, still nothing in iwconfig... anybody a hint? |
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| 17:43.21 | pickcoder | acc_: you did unpack the firmware, right? |
| 17:43.29 | robin_sz | bzed: someting still seems strange, im calling some hylafax stuff, $USER in the env is root, and I have a passwordless root user for hylafax, yet run from the commandline, the backend script submits a fax job nicely, run from cupsd, it fails to log in .. yet $USER env var is root in both cases? |
| 17:43.33 | acc_ | pickcoder: tar xzf |
| 17:44.01 | acc_ | pickcoder: ... ipw2200-fw-3.0.tgz |
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| 17:44.18 | bzed | robin_sz: what's the output of id -a or whoami when you call it in the script? |
| 17:44.22 | pickcoder | drop the ieee802 modules and the ipw2200 module then try modprobing again |
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| 17:44.31 | acc_ | pickcoder: 4 files in /lib/installed, including the one that's failing to load. |
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| 17:44.59 | pickcoder | still trying to find what error -5 is |
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| 17:46.10 | acc_ | ah this looks interesting |
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| 17:46.19 | robin_sz | bzed .. checking |
| 17:46.23 | acc_ | ACPI: PCI interrupt for device 0000:05:04.0 disabled |
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| 17:48.20 | pickcoder | brb |
| 17:48.59 | robin_sz | bzed: thnaks .. $USER may be root, but whoami says lp, as does id -a |
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| 17:49.53 | acc_ | At this point, I want to downgrade the kernel. :P |
| 17:50.07 | shamrock | could someone tell me if the color picker applet works for them here please? I just get a grey box. http://www.asahi-net.or.jp/~FX6M-FJMY/java09e.html |
| 17:50.28 | shamrock | (using ice-weasel) |
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| 17:52.13 | SerajewelKS | my sound card outputs fine, but when recording through the mic jack the audio quality is very metallic and grainy. i have tested the mic on another box and it's fine there. my card is 00:11.5 Multimedia audio controller: VIA Technologies, Inc. VT8233/A/8235/8237 AC97 Audio Controller (rev 60) [00:11.5 0401: 1106:3059 (rev 60)]. google gives nothing about this. |
| 17:52.16 | Hypergraphe | Hello ! |
| 17:52.41 | SerajewelKS | i suspect a driver issue, but i am not sure |
| 17:52.45 | biz | hi, i've got a large plaintext file with latin1 and utf8 text content including iso-8859-15 umlauts and in other parts of the file utf8 special chars.. how can i convert all this to utf8 without setting up the content thats already utf8? iconv -f iso-8859-15 -t utf-8 sets up content already in utf8 in this file |
| 17:53.01 | Yancho | i am ssh from my username and doing sudo but its not working the pass .. though i know for sure i am tying d correct password (its a new install) |
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| 17:53.41 | SerajewelKS | Yancho: when you sudo, whose password are you using, yours or root's? |
| 17:53.50 | Yancho | roots SerajewelKS |
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| 17:54.01 | SerajewelKS | Yancho: yeah, you're supposed to use yours |
| 17:54.15 | SerajewelKS | Yancho: that's the whole point of sudo -- you don't need root's password |
| 17:54.26 | Yancho | jpulis is not in the sudoers file. This incident will be reported. |
| 17:54.34 | cahoot | wow |
| 17:54.38 | SerajewelKS | Yancho: then you want su, not sudo |
| 17:54.55 | SerajewelKS | Yancho: and there you do use root's password |
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| 17:55.03 | Yancho | a ok SerajewelKS :) im there now |
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| 17:55.18 | Yancho | and from where i can put jpulis in the sudoer file pls? |
| 17:55.25 | SerajewelKS | Yancho: visudo |
| 17:56.44 | jahshua | ;X |
| 17:56.59 | jahshua | Yancho: man sudoers && man visudo |
| 17:57.07 | Yancho | jpulis ALL=(ALL) ALL should do it ey? |
| 17:57.18 | jahshua | yah, for all commands. |
| 17:57.25 | SerajewelKS | jahshua: IIRC visudo uses $EDITOR, which means nano by default |
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| 17:57.38 | jahshua | not very security conscious though. |
| 17:57.39 | Yancho | yes nano :) |
| 17:57.51 | jahshua | SerajewelKS: yah, not on sid though, i don't think.. |
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| 17:58.17 | Vasistha | Yancho: the thing about that is that it won't even ask you for any password at all, which I find kinda insecure. |
| 17:58.21 | SerajewelKS | jahshua: well if he's using sid then there's more wrong than opening himself up to get rooted |
| 17:58.28 | SerajewelKS | Vasistha: sure it will |
| 17:58.34 | SerajewelKS | Vasistha: it will ask him for his own password |
| 17:58.53 | Yancho | can i make it to ask me for my root password? |
| 17:58.55 | Vasistha | SerajewelKS: huh, I guess I did it wrong ... when I did that, it didn't ask me for a password, just executed as root. Maybe I did something else :P |
| 17:59.03 | SerajewelKS | Yancho: uhm, that's not the point of sudo |
| 17:59.10 | SerajewelKS | Yancho: if you want that, just use su |
| 17:59.14 | Vasistha | Yancho: if you're going to type in the root password you may as well just use 'su' or su -c |
| 17:59.21 | SerajewelKS | Yancho: sudo is to let users do stuff as other users without knowing their password |
| 17:59.23 | Yancho | a oki :) |
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| 17:59.30 | Yancho | thanks for the tips |
| 17:59.39 | SerajewelKS | Vasistha: i think it caches the password for 5 mins or so |
| 17:59.47 | cast | well, sudo has one thing over su if you're using the root passwd - it logs |
| 17:59.54 | SerajewelKS | Vasistha: if you did ALL=(ALL) NOPASSWD: ALL then it would never ask |
| 18:00.03 | Vasistha | SerajewelKS: hum, maybe that's what it did -- cached it |
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| 18:00.04 | SerajewelKS | cast: logs what? |
| 18:00.23 | Vasistha | sudo logs all commands executed through sudo, doesn't it? |
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| 18:00.25 | cast | Yancho: the 'rootpw' in sudoers will ask for the root passwd |
| 18:00.27 | zeldafan500 | I'm going to learn a programming language, wich one should I do |
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| 18:00.31 | cast | SerajewelKS: the command |
| 18:00.43 | jahshua | zeldafan500: asm |
| 18:00.43 | zeldafan500 | whats the easiest one to use |
| 18:00.44 | SerajewelKS | cast, Vasistha: and what if you do "sudo sh" |
| 18:01.05 | cast | SerajewelKS: then it logs sh...obviously |
| 18:01.05 | zeldafan500 | I'm going to program a caculator for bash lol |
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| 18:01.09 | SerajewelKS | zeldafan500: do you want 500 opinions? |
| 18:01.11 | dcestari | hello everyone |
| 18:01.12 | cast | the string 'sh' |
| 18:01.19 | SerajewelKS | !best |
| 18:01.20 | jahshua | Yancho: do you have other users on your machine? |
| 18:01.29 | zeldafan500 | 500 opinions? |
| 18:01.30 | dcestari | I'm trying to install wlassistant and it saids it deppends on kdelibs-bin |
| 18:01.30 | Yancho | no |
| 18:01.38 | jahshua | okay |
| 18:01.41 | zeldafan500 | so I should start with asm? |
| 18:01.42 | SerajewelKS | zeldafan500: "best" is subjective |
| 18:01.50 | Nielsen | zeldafan500: start with shell scripts, php, perl and then move into C and C++ |
| 18:01.50 | butcherbird | hmm is dpkg bot still around? |
| 18:01.51 | jahshua | dcestari: yes and? |
| 18:02.03 | cast | zeldafan500: python! |
| 18:02.07 | zeldafan500 | php is for websitws O.o |
| 18:02.16 | SerajewelKS | zeldafan500: don't ask what the "best" is unless you are either taking a poll or trolling, both of which are frowned upon |
| 18:02.16 | techouse | dcestari: then install kdelibs-bin :P |
| 18:02.26 | Nielsen | zeldafan500: its still programming, and you learn about structures of programs and functions |
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| 18:02.48 | SerajewelKS | zeldafan500: and this is the wrong channel, really |
| 18:02.55 | Nielsen | really, it is |
| 18:03.00 | zeldafan500 | I'm just asking wich one is easiest to learn and use |
| 18:03.07 | techouse | php |
| 18:03.08 | Kobaz | hmm, how do i turn off the suhoshin module for php... it sucks that it's in by default now |
| 18:03.09 | SerajewelKS | zeldafan500: and i'm telling you that one doesn't exist |
| 18:03.15 | SerajewelKS | zeldafan500: except in each person's mind |
| 18:03.18 | nepbabu | zeldafan500, go with python. you'll never look back. |
| 18:03.23 | SerajewelKS | zeldafan500: "easiest" is subjective |
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| 18:03.25 | butcherbird | zeldafan500: i really like ruby but id recommend starting in c or somesuch |
| 18:03.27 | nepbabu | zeldafan500, and now please move to some other channel. |
| 18:03.32 | nepbabu | this is #debian |
| 18:03.34 | dcestari | jahshua: techouse: there is no kdelibs-bin :( only kdelibs |
| 18:03.37 | SerajewelKS | zeldafan500: and now you see, you are getting a million different responses |
| 18:03.43 | Kobaz | heh, c is a crappy language to learn in |
| 18:03.48 | SerajewelKS | zeldafan500: nobody is going to agree |
| 18:04.08 | cast | zeldafan500's question has still been fruitful |
| 18:04.12 | Kobaz | you need something where you're not fighting null pointers and buffer overflows as your first language |
| 18:04.24 | cast | i mean, no one suggested VB.NET :D |
| 18:04.28 | nepbabu | Kobaz, why is C crappy ? |
| 18:04.33 | Kobaz | i never said c is crappy |
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| 18:04.36 | zeldafan500 | w/e |
| 18:04.37 | Kobaz | read what i wrote |
| 18:04.42 | SerajewelKS | Kobaz: yeah because in perl you can't have undefined references... what? |
| 18:04.53 | nepbabu | <Kobaz> heh, c is a crappy language to learn in |
| 18:05.03 | zeldafan500 | I'm gonna write a calculator program |
| 18:05.19 | SerajewelKS | zeldafan500: we heard that part |
| 18:05.22 | butcherbird | zeldafan500: use bash :) |
| 18:05.28 | SerajewelKS | zeldafan500: your question is not any more valid |
| 18:05.35 | Kobaz | SerajewelKS: heh, you'll have undefined stuff in any language, at least in a scripting language it wont trash the stack and get you root (in theory) |
| 18:05.45 | techouse | dcestari: oh :P |
| 18:05.49 | Kobaz | nepbabu: like i said, i never said c was crappy |
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| 18:05.58 | SerajewelKS | Kobaz: neither do null pointers, they cause a segfault |
| 18:05.59 | Kobaz | nepbabu: it's just crappy to learn with |
| 18:06.10 | Kobaz | SerajewelKS: buffer overflows |
| 18:06.24 | nepbabu | so how would anyone learn language then? do they just learn Python and then become whiz in C? |
| 18:06.25 | Kobaz | heh, why is everyone missing what i'm typeing today |
| 18:06.27 | SerajewelKS | Kobaz: sure, but you said "you don't have null pointers" -- yes you do, just of a different variety |
| 18:06.32 | Yancho | does vino need some configuration so it accepts real vnc connections ? on my ubuntu it needed nothing :| |
| 18:06.34 | SerajewelKS | Kobaz: but essentially the same |
| 18:06.43 | techouse | dcestari: memi@Mk2:~$ sudo apt-cache search kdelibs-bin --> kdelibs4c2a - core libraries and binaries for all KDE applications |
| 18:06.48 | nepbabu | geez |
| 18:06.53 | SerajewelKS | Kobaz: i didn't miss anything |
| 18:07.03 | SerajewelKS | Kobaz: you can fight undefined references in perl too :) |
| 18:07.24 | Kobaz | SerajewelKS: in c... deref null pointer = seg fault... deref an undefined reference in perl, you get an error |
| 18:07.27 | Kobaz | much less bad |
| 18:07.34 | simonrvn | techouse: you don't need to run apt-cache with sudo |
| 18:07.36 | SerajewelKS | Kobaz: nope, same thing. both halt the program. |
| 18:07.56 | SerajewelKS | Kobaz: one is a signal, the other is a forced termination of a script. neither is more bad. |
| 18:08.08 | dcestari | techouse: yes, I have that installed |
| 18:08.09 | SerajewelKS | Kobaz: both have the same ultimate effect |
| 18:08.14 | SerajewelKS | process dies |
| 18:08.34 | Kobaz | SerajewelKS: ah but if your kernel has some weird bug with handling specific crashes or whatever, you can get fscked |
| 18:08.38 | Kobaz | error != segfault |
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| 18:08.40 | butcherbird | dpkg is down :( |
| 18:08.40 | techouse | simonrvn: yeah i know.... it slipped through my fingers |
| 18:08.41 | Kobaz | not the same |
| 18:08.55 | Kobaz | with null pointers, you rely on the os to handle your crash |
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| 18:09.03 | SerajewelKS | Kobaz: of course, but if kernels like that existed then we'd be in a lot of trouble right now |
| 18:09.09 | Kobaz | with a scripting language you have an extra layer to insulate you |
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| 18:09.18 | simonrvn | there's @ and & |
| 18:09.26 | Kobaz | which is the whole point |
| 18:09.30 | helo | c is a great language to learn in, if you want to actually get used to thinking of your code as instructions that will actually be executed on a real cpu, instead of some happy abstraction that will allow you to write some code without understanding much |
| 18:09.36 | simonrvn | butcherbird: ^^^ |
| 18:09.47 | SerajewelKS | Kobaz: and that extra layer is tissue paper in front of a brick wall |
| 18:09.53 | dcestari | so no one using wlassitant? |
| 18:09.57 | SerajewelKS | Kobaz: you run into the wall with or without it, same effect |
| 18:10.09 | Kobaz | it's more like a nice comfy mattress |
| 18:10.16 | techouse | dcestari: are you compiling it or installing a .deb? |
| 18:10.22 | SerajewelKS | Kobaz: except of course that it's not |
| 18:10.34 | Vasistha | dcestari: just ask your question, people can often help you with it even if they don't use it. |
| 18:10.42 | SerajewelKS | Kobaz: if a kernel did have a null pointer issue then the "nicety" of a language is not the primary concern |
| 18:10.44 | Kobaz | it's a matress over what could be a brick wall or a wall of spikes |
| 18:10.51 | helo | if you want to be able to get some code to run easily as possible, use something else... if you want to learn, c is great |
| 18:11.08 | dcestari | techouse: installing from .deb using synaptics actualy |
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| 18:11.12 | Kobaz | anyway |
| 18:11.26 | SerajewelKS | Kobaz: no it's not, because an OS with tha bug would not be stable at all, and if it did have that bug then learining programming on it would be pointless |
| 18:11.28 | Kobaz | speaking of scripting |
| 18:11.33 | techouse | dcestari: well i can't find anything but this http://packages.debian.org/etch/kdelibs-bin |
| 18:11.37 | Kobaz | is there a way to turn off Suhosin in php5 without recompiling? |
| 18:11.48 | cast | helo: don't all those arguments apply to learning asm over c? |
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| 18:11.55 | SerajewelKS | Kobaz: question, would using something like mono prevent issues like that if you invoked on a null object? |
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| 18:11.59 | techouse | dcestari: and this http://packages.debian.org/experimental/kdelibs-bin |
| 18:12.12 | helo | cast: yes :) |
| 18:12.15 | SerajewelKS | Kobaz: object o = null; o.ToString(); |
| 18:12.22 | techouse | dcestari: so it's in the experimental repos :) |
| 18:12.22 | Kobaz | SerajewelKS: let me clarify the null pointer issue |
| 18:12.28 | butcherbird | they would if that didnt mean having to learn x86 asm <--eww |
| 18:12.42 | simonrvn | synaptic, synaptics is the mousepad thingies |
| 18:12.42 | helo | cast: c is better for entry-level learning though, some abstraction is necessary :) |
| 18:13.22 | Kobaz | SerajewelKS: lets say in some weird situation, you get undefined behavoir with your null pointer |
| 18:13.31 | Kobaz | i'm not saying it's a mainstream problem |
| 18:13.32 | SerajewelKS | Kobaz: example? |
| 18:14.06 | Kobaz | say your compiler sucks |
| 18:14.08 | Kobaz | could be anything |
| 18:14.29 | Kobaz | somehow the kernel doesnt kill the app and it runs away screaming |
| 18:14.34 | SerajewelKS | ok, i still don't see how *(NULL) is any more disastrous than undef($a); $a->foo(); |
| 18:14.49 | dcestari | techouse: oh I see. let me check that, thanks! |
| 18:14.53 | SerajewelKS | Kobaz: if the kernel didn't do that then we have more issues than "C is bad to learn with" |
| 18:15.08 | SerajewelKS | Kobaz: any OS worth its salt will kill a process on *(NULL) |
| 18:15.19 | techouse | dcestari: but it's for kde4, i think |
| 18:15.19 | Kobaz | i agree, assuming there are no bugs |
| 18:15.21 | SerajewelKS | segfault, app is killed, memory is freed |
| 18:15.27 | SerajewelKS | Kobaz: of course |
| 18:15.50 | SerajewelKS | Kobaz: i'm saying that if there are bugs, it's (a) not C's fault, and (b) irrelevant to whether C or something else is better |
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| 18:16.02 | Kobaz | and unless someone has any info otherwise, i'm gonna go recompile php because debian's php5 comes with a broken Suhosin |
| 18:16.20 | SerajewelKS | Kobaz: say that an implementation of Perl, when you (undef)->a() does a *(NULL) behind the scenes |
| 18:16.30 | SerajewelKS | Kobaz: not the language's fault, the environment is trash |
| 18:16.35 | Kobaz | that would be equally as bad |
| 18:16.44 | SerajewelKS | Kobaz: buffer overflows are a good example, because the OS does nothing to protect the application from that |
| 18:16.51 | SerajewelKS | Kobaz: or at least it is not required to |
| 18:17.07 | SerajewelKS | Kobaz: null pointers are null pointers everywhere in concept |
| 18:17.15 | dcestari | techouse: maybe the package is not correct on dependecies and that's not it hehe. |
| 18:17.17 | SerajewelKS | you use one, your app dies. nothing magical about C. |
| 18:17.26 | techouse | dcestari: you could also try this |
| 18:17.28 | techouse | http://packages.debian.org/sid/kdelibs4c2a |
| 18:17.29 | Kobaz | i never said there was anything magical about c |
| 18:18.21 | simonrvn | dcestari: what debian version do you have there? |
| 18:18.22 | wols | Kobaz: but there is something satanic about it |
| 18:18.27 | xingu | what is magical, is watching sid business card installer get to work inside a vm, completely oblivious |
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| 18:18.58 | simonrvn | dcestari: 2) use aptitude instead of apt-get |
| 18:18.59 | wols | xingu: equally black magic |
| 18:19.03 | SerajewelKS | Kobaz: you seem to think that *(NULL) is bad, while (undef)->a() is ok because the latter is interpreted |
| 18:19.21 | SerajewelKS | Kobaz: i'm saying that both are equally bad. one gets a segfault, the other gets a die. |
| 18:19.24 | Kobaz | depends on the interpreter |
| 18:19.33 | xingu | tiny cpu hit too, full vte support |
| 18:19.33 | SerajewelKS | Kobaz: any bugs in the implementation of either are just that, bugs in the implementation |
| 18:19.34 | Yancho | does vino need some configuration so it accepts real vnc connections ? on my ubuntu it needed nothing :| im getting connection refused |
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| 18:19.39 | techouse | dcestari: either http://packages.debian.org/etch/wlassistant or http://packages.debian.org/sid/wlassistant |
| 18:19.47 | wols | SerajewelKS: in a way. unless you do proper exception handing for NULL which is not part of C, but of perl (OS itself can do exception handling but not a C feature) |
| 18:19.48 | SerajewelKS | Kobaz: if the kernel gives you root for doing *(NULL) that's not C's fault |
| 18:20.11 | Kobaz | i never said it was |
| 18:20.11 | SerajewelKS | wols: you don't have to handle an undef dereference either |
| 18:20.12 | techouse | dcestari: check the dependencies |
| 18:20.17 | Kobaz | so keep putting words in my mouth |
| 18:20.17 | Kobaz | heh |
| 18:20.21 | xingu | but then you get into the whole what happens if you have an exception in the exception handler |
| 18:20.21 | wols | SerajewelKS: you don't but you at least can |
| 18:20.31 | SerajewelKS | Kobaz: you said that in scripting languages you don't have to worry about null pointers, correct? |
| 18:20.35 | xingu | and before you know _where_ you are you're triple faulting and rebooting. |
| 18:20.52 | techouse | dcestari: quote: "kdelibs-bin - virtual package provided by kdelibs4c2a " |
| 18:21.39 | Kobaz | SerajewelKS: the programmer doesn't |
| 18:21.52 | SerajewelKS | Kobaz: 13:04 < Kobaz> you need something where you're not fighting null pointers and buffer overflows as your first language |
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| 18:22.06 | SerajewelKS | Kobaz: i'm saying, show me a language where you're not dealing with null pointers conceptually |
| 18:22.17 | SerajewelKS | Kobaz: buffer overflows i agree with |
| 18:22.22 | nepbabu | woah! still null pointers! |
| 18:22.26 | nepbabu | get over it |
| 18:22.29 | SerajewelKS | Kobaz: but in perl you have undef, in VB you have Nothing |
| 18:22.40 | SerajewelKS | Kobaz: all conceptually do the same thing: kill your app |
| 18:23.04 | SR71-Blackbird | SerajewelKS, unless u catch the exception |
| 18:23.07 | SerajewelKS | so i don't see any languages where you *aren't* fighting "null pointers" |
| 18:23.14 | SerajewelKS | SR71-Blackbird: yes, you can do this in C, and perl, and VB |
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| 18:23.18 | xingu | SerajewelKS: how about erlang |
| 18:23.21 | SerajewelKS | SR71-Blackbird: i still don't see a difference |
| 18:23.34 | timonator | what about some LISP? |
| 18:23.35 | SerajewelKS | xingu: i haven't used that to any extent |
| 18:23.42 | nepbabu | here comes our dpkg, the "rob pike" |
| 18:23.45 | nepbabu | :-) |
| 18:23.47 | SR71-Blackbird | SerajewelKS, exactly... language is only as good as it's user |
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| 18:23.53 | SerajewelKS | timonator: then you have NIL, but you cannot invoke on anything |
| 18:24.00 | SerajewelKS | SR71-Blackbird: that is my point |
| 18:24.04 | timonator | "invoke"? |
| 18:24.20 | SerajewelKS | timonator: you can't ()->a() in LISP |
| 18:24.29 | SerajewelKS | timonator: only (do-something-with '()) |
| 18:24.36 | timonator | ah, that |
| 18:24.46 | timonator | all the better. |
| 18:24.47 | SerajewelKS | timonator: and NIL is an empty list, not an actual null pointer conceptually |
| 18:24.52 | timonator | yes |
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| 18:25.14 | SerajewelKS | timonator: so let me rephrase that, show me an *OO* language where you're not conceptually dealing with null pointers |
| 18:25.15 | butcherbird | wait..wrong channel |
| 18:25.16 | timonator | "what about lisp" wasn't "what's the situation with lisp and null pointers and buffer overflows", but actually "why don't you use lisp" |
| 18:25.24 | timonator | there's OO for scheme |
| 18:25.34 | SerajewelKS | timonator: because lisp is weird :) |
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| 18:25.47 | shamrock | sorry if anyone answered before. My irc client ended. Can anyone suggest why I only see grey squares when an applet is loaded in ice-weasel in debian testing? I have java and jscript enabled in the browser. |
| 18:25.47 | xingu | SerajewelKS: functional langauges don't do pointers |
| 18:25.51 | cast | xingu: sed -i 's/barbie/virtual' aqua-barbie_girl just came into my head. :| |
| 18:25.51 | timonator | it's not weird. it's just different |
| 18:25.54 | SerajewelKS | timonator: how does that handle null/empty references |
| 18:26.04 | SerajewelKS | xingu: C is functional, it does pointers |
| 18:26.04 | SR71-Blackbird | why is everyone so obsessed abt pointers? |
| 18:26.07 | timonator | haven't tried actually : |
| 18:26.17 | SR71-Blackbird | if u can do ur work, u r done.. |
| 18:26.18 | xingu | SerajewelKS: it's not functional in the "functional language" sense. |
| 18:26.28 | SR71-Blackbird | u can't do everything with one language. period |
| 18:26.29 | SerajewelKS | xingu: oh right, yes, that is what i meant then |
| 18:26.39 | SerajewelKS | xingu: hence why i stressed "OO" |
| 18:26.51 | simonrvn | dpkg: you know you're going to get killed off as soon as the bot comes back |
| 18:26.56 | shamrock | SR71-Blackbird: you can do everything with C since it gives everything you need to write anything else .... |
| 18:26.58 | nepbabu | hehe |
| 18:27.08 | shamrock | Can anyone help with my java issue please? |
| 18:27.09 | timonator | yes, object oriented code is possible with C |
| 18:27.27 | SR71-Blackbird | shamrock, u 'can' doesn't mean u 'should' |
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| 18:27.35 | shamrock | timonator: of course. func(ptrMyData,other, params ...); |
| 18:27.41 | shamrock | SR71-Blackbird: I know :-; |
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| 18:28.08 | xingu | hot damn, why didn't I do this years ago |
| 18:28.25 | shamrock | Could someone tell me if the following applet works in their debian browser? http://www.asahi-net.or.jp/~FX6M-FJMY/java09e.html |
| 18:28.30 | Vasistha | I'm trying to figure out how prereqs work in initramfs. I copied the prereq lines from /usr/share/initramfs-tools/local-top/lvm into my own script, but itsaid it couldn't find the dependency (udev) and then gave some (probably bogus) error about a cyclic dependency |
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| 18:29.04 | SR71-Blackbird | shamrock, works on mine |
| 18:29.15 | shamrock | SR71-Blackbird: any suggestions? Which browser are you using? |
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| 18:32.45 | SR71-Blackbird | shamrock, looks okay.. firefox 2.0.11 |
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| 18:33.15 | rapha_ | Hi all |
| 18:33.18 | Vasistha | it is incredible how even proficient tech people ask the dumbest questions when they move to linux |
| 18:33.21 | shamrock | hmm. iceweasel 2.0.0.8 |
| 18:33.37 | rapha_ | Is it possible, using apt-get or aptitude to say "package xyz shall never be upgraded"? |
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| 18:33.53 | SR71-Blackbird | shamrock, make it bigger and make the text selectable... otherwise it's useless |
| 18:33.58 | shamrock | Vasistha: what is more incredible is the amount of people who pretend they know the answers to questions about which they don#t have a clue. |
| 18:34.04 | acc_ | Vasistha: no such thing as a dumb question. |
| 18:34.13 | simonrvn | rapha_: /msg aptitude hold |
| 18:34.17 | rafuch0 | shamrock, loool |
| 18:34.20 | rafuch0 | hahahahaha |
| 18:34.22 | rafuch0 | ^^ |
| 18:34.23 | rapha_ | thx simonrvn |
| 18:34.35 | shamrock | SR71-Blackbird: I'm not sure I understood your last comment. |
| 18:34.36 | helo | acc_: only dumb people? |
| 18:34.47 | Vasistha | acc_: true, I should have worded my complaint a little differently |
| 18:34.59 | rapha_ | simonrvn: looks like your bot is down or something |
| 18:35.37 | SR71-Blackbird | shamrock, i said it'd be more useful, if u print the color code in a textbox or sth... that is selectable,copiable.. |
| 18:35.48 | SR71-Blackbird | so that it can be copy pasted |
| 18:35.56 | simonrvn | aptitude's not listening? try apt or ravenbird |
| 18:36.17 | shamrock | SR71-Blackbird: Sorry you have lost me completely. That was not my site. Just an example. |
| 18:36.21 | soczol | !ping |
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| 18:36.34 | rapha_ | simonrvn: i found out how it works already -- the two other bots won't answer as well tho |
| 18:36.35 | Vasistha | pong |
| 18:36.46 | SR71-Blackbird | shamrock, oh.. hehehe.. ok.. i thought u wanted suggestion on the app or sth.. |
| 18:36.59 | soczol | ah, thought dpkg was back, but it's just someone keeping/stealing its nick :d |
| 18:37.08 | SR71-Blackbird | shamrock, not something i'd expect in #debian |
| 18:37.10 | simonrvn | rapha_: ok thanks |
| 18:37.14 | rapha_ | np |
| 18:37.15 | rapha_ | bye |
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| 18:37.31 | simonrvn | ravenbird: test |
| 18:37.31 | ravenbird | Yes, simonrvn, you're still online. |
| 18:37.44 | solemnwarning | Is there some sh that can check if the first character in a string is "/"? |
| 18:37.46 | shamrock | SR71-Blackbird: no - as I said I cant display ANY applets in iceweasel |
| 18:37.58 | simonrvn | ah just lagged |
| 18:38.22 | simonrvn | ....by 4 secs... |
| 18:39.10 | Vasistha | solemnwarning: [[ ${VAR:0:1} = / ]] |
| 18:39.15 | simonrvn | soczol: not gonna last long, bot will get nickserv to kill him ;) |
| 18:39.22 | soczol | ;) |
| 18:39.22 | solemnwarning | Vasistha: thanks |
| 18:39.25 | Vasistha | np |
| 18:40.25 | simonrvn | so it's kinda stupid and pointless and k1dd13-like to do something like that |
| 18:40.34 | bzed | robin_sz: then it is definitely not runnign as root - they just don't clean the environment |
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| 18:40.53 | SR71-Blackbird | shamrock, do u have jre configured correctly? |
| 18:41.00 | Vasistha | !u |
| 18:41.05 | Vasistha | &u |
| 18:41.06 | aptitude | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 18:41.09 | simonrvn | Vasistha: that stinkily looks like a bashism |
| 18:41.13 | acc_ | To all who were trying to help me earlier: switching from a backports.org kernel to official lenny seems to have fixed my network problems. Thanks for all the help! |
| 18:41.17 | DustyBin | if your using a application / tool, where do you go to read the docs? the projects website or .... ? |
| 18:41.30 | DustyBin | man pages ? |
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| 18:41.36 | Vasistha | simonrvn: well ... I was surprised just an hour ago to find out that busybox supports some pe's |
| 18:41.37 | SR71-Blackbird | info? |
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| 18:41.53 | simonrvn | DustyBin: /usr/share/doc/foo or web site or manuals |
| 18:42.02 | DustyBin | ok |
| 18:42.04 | waltz | how can I do something like alias perms="ls -l $1 | awk '{print $1}'" ? |
| 18:42.04 | SR71-Blackbird | DustyBin, project websites are really good |
| 18:42.16 | DustyBin | SR71-Blackbird: aye they should be too |
| 18:42.19 | simonrvn | Vasistha: pe's? |
| 18:42.42 | Vasistha | simonrvn: parameter expansion ... ${var:with:modifications} |
| 18:42.50 | Vasistha | simonrvn: man bash ;) |
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| 18:43.12 | simonrvn | oh, yeh, it's like a subset of dash or something |
| 18:43.17 | shamrock | SR71-Blackbird: I dont know. DEfine correctly. It is installed. |
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| 18:44.02 | simonrvn | xingu: i wouldn't be surprised if it worked |
| 18:44.24 | xingu | neither would I, this actually looks reasonably solid |
| 18:44.33 | simonrvn | i figured out how to trick an ubuntu box into becoming a debian box ;) |
| 18:44.42 | Vasistha | simonrvn: and as much bash experience I have at this point, I still can't figure out these damn initramfs prereqs that I need :P |
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| 18:44.58 | Vasistha | simonrvn: heh, how is that? reformat it and install debian? :) |
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| 18:45.14 | simonrvn | Vasistha: /etc/initramfs-tools/ stuff, plus the stuff in /usr/share |
| 18:45.25 | SR71-Blackbird | shamrock, try about:plugins |
| 18:45.31 | bzed | err |
| 18:46.05 | SR71-Blackbird | shamrock, see if application/x-java-applet is linked to Java |
| 18:46.41 | Vasistha | simonrvn: well, I wrote a script that's supposed to just wait a few seconds for /dev/sda to be registered by udev, but then /init executed that script before udev! So I tried to make udev a prerequisite ... I just copied the prereq stuff from one of the /usr/share/initramfs-tools/scripts ... but it failed. |
| 18:47.38 | simonrvn | Vasistha: well, i don't have a burner, and only a ppc sarge cd, but i do have an ubuntu hoary cd. install hoary, upgrade to gutsy then hardy; make sid 1000 or more in /etc/apt/preferences switch sources to sid, run aptitude a few times plus some manual dpkg pkg handling |
| 18:48.19 | simonrvn | Vasistha: pre-up or whatever in scripts/ the order matters; number it if you need to |
| 18:48.38 | Vasistha | simonrvn: oh, I will check that out! thanks! |
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| 18:49.22 | simonrvn | Vasistha: usually it should Just Do the Right Thing |
| 18:49.31 | Vasistha | simonrvn: hum, where is this 'pre-up' of which you speak? |
| 18:49.46 | simonrvn | sec |
| 18:50.20 | Vasistha | simonrvn: heh, if it 'did the right thing' then it would not have destroyed my mbr grub or required me to make a custom initramfs ;) |
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| 18:50.44 | simonrvn | ls /etc/initramfs-tools/init-* are run first |
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| 18:50.50 | simonrvn | s,ls,, |
| 18:51.18 | simonrvn | probably need bottom and/or premount |
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| 18:51.36 | Vasistha | simonrvn: well, yeah -- but, see, my script needs to go in the init-premount directory, and that is the same directory that udev is in, and I need to make it run udev before my script :P |
| 18:51.58 | simonrvn | so numbering it would be wise |
| 18:52.15 | simonrvn | like zzyourscript |
| 18:52.54 | Vasistha | alright. it was already alphabetically after udev, and I don't see numbers on any of the others, but I'll try it with 99 |
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| 18:53.55 | simonrvn | oh hmm... the system stuff (/usr/share/...) might be overriding it |
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| 18:54.12 | simonrvn | gets a bit tricky ;) |
| 18:55.03 | Vasistha | I noticed :D |
| 18:56.59 | Vasistha | what do you mean 'overriding', though? my script located in /etc/initramfs-tools/scripts/init-premount/ *IS* being installed in the initrd, and is being run; and I'm not making *changes* to any other scripts |
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| 18:59.05 | simonrvn | there's udev's in /usr/share/initramfs-tools/scripts/ -- init-premount and -bottom, already |
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| 18:59.41 | Vasistha | wow, and they are quite different, too |
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| 19:04.01 | dutchfish | is dpkg dead? |
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| 19:04.32 | Ace2016 | Hi all |
| 19:04.36 | Ace2016 | so here goes |
| 19:04.48 | soczol | dutchfish: use aptitude |
| 19:04.48 | Vasistha | &enter |
| 19:04.49 | aptitude | The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter unecessarily makes it difficult to follow what you are saying. Consider using ',', '. ', ';', '...', '---', or ':' instead. |
| 19:04.50 | Ace2016 | how do you recursively find all the symlinks within a folder |
| 19:05.05 | Vasistha | Ace2016: find -type l |
| 19:05.15 | simonrvn | hasyes |
| 19:05.15 | simonrvn | dut^^^ |
| 19:05.18 | timonator | that was a hard one! |
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| 19:05.26 | simonrvn | blah, fugging thing |
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| 19:05.29 | ahuete | hello |
| 19:05.34 | Ace2016 | oh |
| 19:05.45 | Ace2016 | thanks, works great |
| 19:05.49 | Ace2016 | i thought that was hard |
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| 19:06.18 | karrotx | anyone have experience with the rdiff-backup package the comes with etch? I'm going from etch to etch with the same rdiff-backup 1.1.5; it keeps failing randomly |
| 19:06.20 | neosix | Hello! I'm trying ti install ati drivers with ati-driver-installer. I followed guide, but nothing, still Mesa |
| 19:06.41 | cast | karrotx: i build the latest personally |
| 19:06.51 | neosix | Can anybody help me? |
| 19:06.59 | karrotx | cast: i've tired 1.0.5 and 1.1.5 |
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| 19:07.12 | karrotx | you think building 1.1.14 would stop from the random nonsensical errors? |
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| 19:07.34 | Vasistha | &ati |
| 19:07.35 | aptitude | Want to use a newer ATI videocard in sarge? for etch/testing and sid/unstable, just install fglrx-driver and fglrx-kernel-src and read /usr/share/doc/fglrx-kernel-src/README.Debian.gz Try to avoid using ati's stuff directy unless you have to. --- I've heard the driver control panel app needs 32bit libs to compile under 64b, or chris.evenden@amd.com, or and open specs announced 2007-09-05 or ask about <radeonhd> |
| 19:07.37 | Nostahl | what all can i do to speed up debian for use on a old dell inspiron 1000 laptop |
| 19:08.07 | cast | karrotx: well, they'll have fixed a few bugs at least :) |
| 19:08.16 | timonator | use a more lightweight desktop environment like xfce or simply a window manager with minimal "environment" stuff such as openbox or fluxbox |
| 19:08.22 | karrotx | Nostahl: turn off all useless services |
| 19:08.35 | Nostahl | im famiiliar with xfce |
| 19:08.39 | Nostahl | so i can set it up with xfce |
| 19:08.53 | gigo | I want to set some environment variables, which should be available as soon as the system boots so that the /etc/init.d scripts can make use of those variables. where should I define those variables? |
| 19:08.54 | dutchfish | soczol, thx |
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| 19:09.11 | Nostahl | how do i get pidgin with apt |
| 19:09.19 | Nostahl | i did the command but said it couldnt find the package |
| 19:09.27 | cast | Nostahl: check backports.org |
| 19:09.32 | neosix | aptitude: well I want the new driver, and with synaptic I get only 8.24 drivers |
| 19:09.42 | cast | aptitude is but a bot |
| 19:09.46 | dutchfish | !tell Nostahl about backports |
| 19:09.59 | neosix | ok |
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| 19:10.36 | simonrvn | spam bot alert |
| 19:10.58 | tuxillo | it seems that iceweasel is broken in testing. |
| 19:11.24 | mbroeker | tuxillo, whats wrong with iceweasel ? |
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| 19:11.46 | tuxillo | mbroeker: i cannot install it because one of its dependencies is broken |
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| 19:13.11 | karrotx | cast: have you built 1.1.14 on debian? I'm currently getting this error: "error: Python.h: No such file or directory" |
| 19:13.18 | karrotx | seems like a failboat on rdiff's part |
| 19:13.22 | mbroeker | tuxillo, i have no clue wether it depends on your prob or not, but mostly removing this dependencies and running aptitude install iceweasel again may solve your prob... |
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| 19:13.37 | xsdg | karrotx: I would expect it to be python.h |
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| 19:13.46 | xsdg | karrotx: (that is, lowercase "p") |
| 19:13.53 | Vasistha | Nostahl: why don't you just use gaim? |
| 19:14.04 | simonrvn | FYI, i fixed ravenbird's ops factoid ... |
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| 19:14.28 | Nostahl | getting gaim atm |
| 19:14.29 | Nostahl | ty |
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| 19:14.38 | simonrvn | sync* |
| 19:14.42 | {Nathan} | Does anyone know if madwifi is included in CD1 of Debian testing or where I can find this information? |
| 19:14.51 | karrotx | xsdg: you think the correct package name is python.h? |
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| 19:14.59 | simonrvn | @cd contents |
| 19:14.59 | ravenbird | To find out what is on what cd, download the .jigdo template, and zless fooimage.jigdo. In the [Parts] section you will see the list of packages that are contained in the cd. searchable index of the sarge cds: http://vireo.org/~stew/jigdo If that one is down, use this listing of sarge packages ordered by CD: http://haydn.debian.org/~ftlerror-guest/list.txt |
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| 19:15.22 | xsdg | karrotx: I'll admit that I haven't been following the discussion |
| 19:15.30 | damon | stupid question, flame suite on: How do I set up a 64bit/32bit system as ubuntu has it with debian? |
| 19:15.31 | xsdg | karrotx: but most header files are all-lowercase |
| 19:15.38 | valdyn | @find Python.h |
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| 19:15.47 | karrotx | xsdg: i'm trying to build rdiff-backup |
| 19:15.52 | karrotx | that's the first returned error |
| 19:16.11 | minerale | does whois work with ip addresses? |
| 19:16.25 | xsdg | karrotx: if it uses python (the language), then it very likely wants python.h |
| 19:16.28 | LimCore | hello, how to rebuild the kernel that I have (in 7.10 amd64 bit) but exacly for my amd64 (not generic) SMP, and while aplying to it grsecurity patch? (so perhaps it will be other version like 23.9) |
| 19:16.30 | ravenbird | Debian Search of 'Python.h' (5 of 18): (/usr/include/python2.4/Python.h) in python/python2.4-dev ;; (/usr/include/python2.5/Python.h) in python/python2.5-dev ;; (/usr/include/vtk-5.0/vtkPython.h) in libdevel/libvtk5-dev ;; (/usr/include/python2.4_d/Python.h) in python/python2.4-dbg ;; (/usr/include/python2.5_d/Python.h) in python/python2.5-dbg. |
| 19:16.37 | damon | would I use the multiarch net install or is that refering to supported hardware? |
| 19:16.48 | xsdg | oh, got, I'm wrong, and python is incredibly stupid |
| 19:16.52 | xsdg | s#got#god# |
| 19:16.53 | gigo | i want to know where I should put my environment variable definitions so that as soon as the system starts and /etc/init.d/ scripts run, the variables are available for the scripts |
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| 19:16.56 | Vasistha | simonrvn: heh, I solved my problem -- I had named my script 'wait-for-sda5' but hyphen is effectively an illegal character in these script names |
| 19:16.59 | valdyn | LimCore: /part and /j #ubuntu |
| 19:17.04 | xsdg | valdyn: thanks |
| 19:17.10 | damon | LimCore, see kernel-package |
| 19:17.13 | tuxillo | mbroeker: how can I remove a dependency? |
| 19:17.16 | simonrvn | Vasistha: aah ok. good for you |
| 19:17.16 | LimCore | valdyn: how to do it in debian |
| 19:17.25 | gigo | please help me. I want to know. |
| 19:17.29 | spldart | If I want to connect to my work pc from my home pc and use X what is the simplest way of setting that up? |
| 19:17.48 | damon | hi spldart |
| 19:17.58 | gigo | :-( |
| 19:17.58 | spldart | hi |
| 19:18.05 | Nostahl | what can i do about ati drivers for my allinwonder 9600 the drivers on ati site are for open suse |
| 19:18.06 | cast | karrotx: apt-file search Python.h |
| 19:18.12 | valdyn | LimCore: you can try just using the ubuntu kernel |
| 19:18.23 | tuxillo | spldart: freenx |
| 19:18.27 | karrotx | looks like i didn't have python2.4-dev installed, i thought i did |
| 19:18.31 | valdyn | LimCore: that'S just as much unsupported as any non-debian kernel in debian. Did you try that? |
| 19:18.34 | Vasistha | gigo: I've been kinda thinking about it on the backburner, but I haven't come up with anything yet -- what exactly are you trying to do, anyway? |
| 19:18.43 | spldart | is that in aptitude for etch? |
| 19:19.09 | rolled | wouldnt karrot need the python dev files since hes trying to compile an app, hence why hes missing a header file? |
| 19:19.10 | gigo | Vasistha: what is backburner? |
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| 19:19.23 | spldart | nopers :( |
| 19:19.44 | LimCore | valdyn: yes I do, but the question is, how to rebuild on debian a kernel, with same config options, and with debian specyfic pathces perhaps |
| 19:19.54 | damon | spldart see dialog window, I think we know each other |
| 19:19.56 | tuxillo | spldart: www.nomachine.com |
| 19:19.59 | mbroeker | tuxillo, can you paste something that belongs to your problem? |
| 19:20.10 | gigo | Vasistha: I have written a code in python that will run as daemon. I'll write an init script for that in /etc/init.d/mypyd . but it will use some python files not in the standard library, so I want to set export PYTHONPATH=/path/to/mylibrary, so that when mypyd runs, it can use it |
| 19:20.15 | Vasistha | gigo: well, on a stove/range usually there are burners in the front and in the back. If you have something slowly cooking with low heat, you'll put that on the backburner. As a figure of speech, it means I'm not actively thinking about it, but am just letting it sit in my mind and maybe a solution will come slowly :) |
| 19:20.46 | Vasistha | gigo: why not just set it that way in your mypyd script? |
| 19:20.55 | valdyn | LimCore: apt-get linux-source-whatever ( find one via apt-cache search ), extract that tarball you get into /usr/src anywhere you like, copy the .config file of your choice into that source tree as .config, run make oldconfig, follow the kp mantra |
| 19:21.00 | valdyn | !kp mantra |
| 19:21.02 | gigo | Vasistha: oh! how fool I am. :-P |
| 19:21.04 | valdyn | @kp mantra |
| 19:21.04 | ravenbird | The kernel compilation mantra is make-kpkg clean && make-kpkg --revision=$(date +'%Y%m%d') --append-to-version=-$(hostname) --rootcmd fakeroot clean && make-kpkg --revision=$(date +'%Y%m%d') --append-to-version=-$(hostname) --rootcmd fakeroot kernel_image modules_image . Add --initrd before kernel_image if you need an initrd. |
| 19:21.27 | Vasistha | gigo: heh, it sometimes pays to be specific in your questions :) |
| 19:21.31 | tuxillo | mbroeker: sorry. iceweasel depends on libmyspell3c2 but it is not installable. aptitude reports that this is a virtual package |
| 19:21.57 | TrueDD | Hi all |
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| 19:22.14 | gigo | Vasistha: say, I want it to be for all scripts. is /etc/environment a good place? |
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| 19:22.58 | valdyn | @sshx |
| 19:22.58 | ravenbird | Enable X11Forwarding **on the server** (/etc/ssh/sshd_config), you can use ssh -X on the client side. Both server and client need the xauth program, which is in the xbase-clients package. ssh will run xauth and set the DISPLAY variable automatically. Neither xhost, nor X tcp support are necessary. Hint: ssh -X root@localhost, or http://www.linuks.mine.nu/windows/sshx.html |
| 19:23.04 | valdyn | spldart: ^^ |
| 19:23.20 | spldart | Lots of recomendations :).. googling like crazy |
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| 19:23.56 | Vasistha | gigo: you know, I'm honestly not sure -- that's why I didn't answer sooner -- I don't know the best place to set the path variable in general. I do notice that PATH= occurs quite frequently in init.d scripts |
| 19:24.19 | dcestari | hello everyone, can anyone tell me where to find the package info for a certaing .deb in debian repository? I want to know the version of wlassistant that debian distributes. |
| 19:24.31 | valdyn | Vasistha: that PATH is just exactly for that script it appears in only |
| 19:24.37 | SerajewelKS | dcestari: apt-cache policy or apt-cache show |
| 19:24.45 | gigo | dcestari: aptitude show <packagename> |
| 19:25.05 | Vasistha | valdyn: indeed, I don't expect that init *sources* these :) |
| 19:25.15 | gigo | dcestari: or you can even just run "aptitude" and do "/packagename" to see a more beautiful list of the info. |
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| 19:27.18 | dcestari | the thin is that I have many repos and I want to know that this is exactly the one from debian |
| 19:27.39 | tarzeau | dcestari: the one with debian.org in its domain name |
| 19:27.44 | SerajewelKS | dcestari: like i said, apt-cache policy |
| 19:27.45 | valdyn | dcestari: apt-cache policy <packagename> |
| 19:28.12 | SerajewelKS | dcestari: people will be more inclined to help you if you read what they tell you |
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| 19:28.50 | Vasistha | dcestari: dpkg showpkg might be of help |
| 19:29.07 | Vasistha | erm, rather, apt-cache showpkg |
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| 19:30.30 | dcestari | SerajewelKS: I read it, I tryed it, but the question remained, the repository one. |
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| 19:30.54 | SerajewelKS | dcestari: line up the version numbers with the repositories listed |
| 19:31.24 | dcestari | SerajewelKS: sorry, I tryed apt-cache show only since it was an 'or' hehe. |
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| 19:33.24 | HNT | Hello everybody, I'm using knetworkmanager and wpa_supplicant, when I try to manually set-up a wireless interface (using manual configuration in knetworkmanager) but I only can setup some wep conf, do you know some way to configure it with wpa ? |
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| 19:33.32 | ccvp | Debian Christmas Story: |
| 19:33.33 | ccvp | ahhhh shit, when I left saturday morning......to drive to the airport before I left, for 5 days....i brought a garbage bag with me, to dump before i drove to the airport, so i goto the airport, forgetting the garbage bag in my trunk, but in my garbage bag was a sealed plastic box of burgers (4), so i wonder what the car is goin to smell like when I get back . hahahah, 4 burger patties, simmering in a trunk for 6 days |
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| 19:39.46 | badcfe | how do i install the sources of the ssh client. i want to inspect something in there ... |
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| 19:40.32 | mrsno | badcfe apt-get source packagename |
| 19:40.35 | Chile` | apt-get source openssh-client |
| 19:40.38 | mrsno | http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/apt-howto/ch-sourcehandling.en.html |
| 19:40.41 | catsup | badcfe: apt-get source openssh |
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| 19:41.16 | badcfe | Chile`: cool. i see that "source" means "install" but for the sources of the mentioned package(s). thanks |
| 19:41.28 | gigo | what is a good bittorrent client for Debian? I know its a subjective question, so please tell me your favorite. I just want to know the names of a few good ones and I'll try them out one by one. |
| 19:41.38 | badcfe | gigo: rtorrent |
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| 19:41.48 | Chile` | gigo: I just use bittorrent |
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| 19:41.52 | gigo | thank you badcfe |
| 19:41.59 | gigo | Chile`: you mean the command line bitorrent? |
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| 19:42.11 | Chile` | it's curses, but yeah |
| 19:42.39 | badcfe | gigo: rtorrent is terminal based, not x. but its very nice. |
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| 19:42.53 | gigo | what is the job of mesa-utils |
| 19:42.56 | Chile` | I've had issues with the other ones segfaulting on the BSDs, but I'd guess they don't have similar problems on linux |
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| 19:43.09 | gigo | i am removing compiz and it is removing mesa-utils also. is there any harm in removing mesa-utils? |
| 19:43.14 | Chile` | gigo: glxgears & glxinfo |
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| 19:43.22 | Chile` | gigo: apt-cache show mesa-utils |
| 19:43.38 | dcestari | hello everyone, I read in a bug report that there was a new package available that fixed a problem with some dependencies but I don't see it in apt, the bug is here http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=437413 |
| 19:43.42 | zakia | i have a debian just with a console how can i setup gnome |
| 19:43.49 | gigo | i have installed Nvidia drivers from the nvidia site |
| 19:43.49 | zakia | X........ |
| 19:43.51 | Vasistha | gigo: it's probably removing it because it was installed automatically in order to fulfill a dependency. Now that nothing is depending on it anymore, it should be safe to remove it. |
| 19:43.54 | gigo | so do I still need mesa-utils? |
| 19:43.56 | PiranhaP | Does anybody know where I can find advanced documentation for the /etc/network/interfaces file? I'm trying to find a list of all possible options, but I've noticed the man page doesn't detail some like 'bridge_ports' and 'tunctl_user'. |
| 19:44.00 | Chile` | zakia: read the docs. |
| 19:44.05 | Chile` | gigo: probably not. |
| 19:44.09 | Vasistha | zakia: aptitude install gnome |
| 19:44.10 | Chile` | gigo: though glxinfo is handy to hvae around. |
| 19:44.28 | Vasistha | PiranhaP: google :P |
| 19:44.29 | Chile` | PiranhaP: tried the info pages? |
| 19:44.34 | gigo | aptitude install bittorrent installs nothing |
| 19:45.04 | Chile` | gigo: eh? |
| 19:45.07 | zakia | is there a tool to help in the X setup ? |
| 19:45.18 | Vasistha | &drxx |
| 19:45.18 | aptitude | To reconfigure your X server, run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg as root. If you're not using Xorg (sarge or earlier), dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86, and ask me about <xmd5sum> if you've changed XF86Config-4 yourself. |
| 19:45.26 | gigo | Chile`: it is not even there in the aptitude list |
| 19:45.36 | Chile` | gigo: dunno, I odn't use aptitude. |
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| 19:45.48 | gigo | Chile`: I am using Lenny. You? |
| 19:45.50 | Chile` | gigo: it shows up for me in the apt cache |
| 19:45.51 | Chile` | etch |
| 19:45.57 | gigo | ok |
| 19:46.03 | gigo | is Lenny supported in this channel? |
| 19:46.33 | Chile` | dunno. but why are you running it in the first place? |
| 19:46.37 | Vasistha | gigo: not officially, no. You shouldn't be running lenny if you don't have a good grasp of how to use debian |
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| 19:46.41 | PiranhaP | Chile`: info pages don't have any more than man, unfortunately |
| 19:46.57 | wols | PiranhaP: doe bridge-utils docs? |
| 19:47.03 | Chile` | PiranhaP: that sucks. and there aren't examples in share ? |
| 19:47.08 | wols | e.g. with wireless-tools. the options for interfaces are in its docs |
| 19:47.46 | gigo | Vasistha: I have been using Debian pretty well for the last one year, so I tried Lenny. I am not a geek like you but I can keep my system running fine. |
| 19:47.47 | zakia | can i rerun the installer from console once i have the console |
| 19:48.03 | wols | zakia: yes |
| 19:48.13 | ccvp | heh, $185,000 tax free, for 1 year in Iraq |
| 19:48.13 | PiranhaP | wols: well, I'm looking for general info, not really bridge specific |
| 19:48.16 | ccvp | LOGOS-07:0003: Network Engineer |
| 19:48.16 | wols | or which installer do you mean |
| 19:48.16 | ccvp | Business Area: Information Technology |
| 19:48.16 | ccvp | Location: SW Asia |
| 19:48.21 | PiranhaP | Chile`: Ah, I think there are some there. Thx |
| 19:48.25 | PiranhaP | Chile`: good idea |
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| 19:48.37 | zakia | what is the comand to lunch the installer |
| 19:48.51 | wols | zakia: which installer? installre for what? |
| 19:49.07 | Vasistha | gigo: heh, I don't even run lenny myself :) we don't officially support lenny ... but you can probably get some help as long as your questions are intelligent and show that you know what you're doing. |
| 19:49.07 | zakia | the debian installer |
| 19:49.09 | Chile` | PiranhaP: a lot of daemons tend to only be documented by doxygen & example config files. it sucks. |
| 19:49.19 | Chile` | PiranhaP: but people developing daemons tend not to like to write ;) |
| 19:49.26 | wols | zakia: not on the harddisk and unneeded anyways. what would you need it for? |
| 19:49.26 | Vasistha | zakia: I think I already told you what you want: aptitude install gnome |
| 19:49.29 | gigo | Vasistha: thank you |
| 19:49.41 | Vasistha | np |
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| 19:50.02 | Chile` | gigo: what happens if you try apt-get update && apt-cache search bittorrent? |
| 19:50.10 | zakia | the installer so it will do hardware detection..... |
| 19:50.26 | PiranhaP | Chile`: Well, there are some examples in doc/ifupdown, but it still isn't comprehensive. I'll keep digging. Thx for the help so far. |
| 19:50.38 | wols | zakia: not possible what hardware do you need detected? udev is supposed to do it on its own on every bootup |
| 19:50.39 | zakia | setup of printer... and other device |
| 19:50.45 | gigo | does rtorrent reconnect automatically when it loses connection? |
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| 19:50.53 | wols | &printing |
| 19:50.53 | aptitude | it has been said that printer is a device that allows you to put things from your computer onto paper, envelopes, or whatever. don't forget to check http://www.linuxprinting.org, or a hardcopy output device. easy to set up using foomatic-gui or printconf, or see <cups> |
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| 19:51.24 | wols | gigo: any torrent client would do this I 'd say. useless otherwise |
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| 19:51.59 | PiranhaP | Let me ask this... Does ifupdown only understand bridge syntax (i.e. bridge_ports eth0 tap0) if the bridge-utils package is installed? If so, where is the *.d directory for that? |
| 19:52.58 | wols | since networking script would use bridge-tuils to actually set up the bridge: no big point in having them not installed |
| 19:53.18 | Vasistha | PiranhaP: I don't really know, but you might run dpkg -c /var/cache/apt/archives/bridge-utils_<TAB> to see what that package installed |
| 19:53.23 | wols | I'm sure it would understand the options without it installed but when it tries to set up the bridge a command not found occurs |
| 19:53.41 | PiranhaP | Vasistha: Great idea. Thx |
| 19:53.46 | spldart | Wow.. ssh was extremely easy to setup |
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| 19:54.58 | maher | so i have this usb ide enclosure - what do you think will happen if I swap out the ide cable for one which takes two disk drives, and try and hook two hard discs up to it? |
| 19:55.23 | spldart | If I change the port # on both sides, client and server's, /etc/ssh/sshd-config will they both work together no problem? I'd like to use some obscure port number |
| 19:55.26 | wols | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:55.49 | wols | spldart: ssh works on any tcp port |
| 19:55.52 | VincentC | spldart: i didn't have any problems |
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| 19:56.10 | dondelelcaro | spldart: that said, there's no real reason to do so. |
| 19:56.12 | timonator | what causes my pretty fresh installation of debian to have cpu usage spikes every second? |
| 19:56.16 | waltz | $ echo -e "\033[5mwhat am I doing wrong?\033[0m" |
| 19:56.19 | waltz | $TERM is xterm |
| 19:56.20 | timonator | the cpu usage graph looks like this: | | | | | | | | |
| 19:56.26 | waltz | is there a way to enable VT100 emulation or ? |
| 19:56.31 | timonator | i have no programs running |
| 19:56.37 | DustyBin | ie, imagine another release came out? would it just be a case of downloading the new source, uninstalling the previous, and re-compiling, or is there a easier way? |
| 19:56.44 | dondelelcaro | timonator: you always have programs running. Look at the top output (or similar) during such a spike. |
| 19:56.45 | maher | timonator: what does top say? |
| 19:56.46 | DustyBin | wrong channel |
| 19:57.06 | timonator | dondelelcaro: sorry, i meant "unusual gui programs" |
| 19:57.35 | timonator | top says: kjournald, init, migration/0, sometimes Xorg, sometimes gnome-vfs-daemon |
| 19:57.55 | xingu | timonator: try powertop |
| 19:58.14 | timonator | aah, i should install that, too |
| 19:58.18 | timonator | great utility |
| 19:58.27 | waltz | hello? |
| 19:58.33 | timonator | hello? |
| 19:58.35 | xingu | timonator: you're not sampling cpu use every 1s by any chance? |
| 19:58.48 | timonator | xingu: hah, i got the system monitor applett in my gnome bar |
| 19:59.03 | timonator | but i had the same thing in a ubuntu installation before and there it was just a flat line |
| 19:59.14 | timonator | gah. no powertop in the apt repo :o |
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| 20:00.36 | gigo | rtorrent doesn't show time remaining approximately? |
| 20:00.38 | DustyBin | whats the easiest way to install vmware on debian? download the source and compile? |
| 20:00.45 | xingu | heh, I love the msvpc answer to the thorny problem of how to virtualise cpu topology - "don't". |
| 20:00.49 | timonator | it's in the etch backports. is it safe to add them to the sources.list? |
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| 20:01.11 | xingu | one cpu package per image, one core per package |
| 20:01.41 | DustyBin | download the binary i mean tehehe |
| 20:02.00 | spldart | I am a little concerned about security... But then again.. I've never run an ssh server... it's seems naked to the internet... I picked a nice mix of alphanumerics for a password but still... How secure am I? |
| 20:02.08 | spldart | ssh that is |
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| 20:02.15 | Swapper | Hi all |
| 20:02.17 | Swapper | :-) |
| 20:02.21 | DDave | spldart, good a bit about linux hardening ;) |
| 20:02.32 | DDave | You should install a bruteforce-detection on your ssh |
| 20:02.46 | spldart | sounds like I'll be googling alot tonight |
| 20:02.48 | dcestari | hello, I'm setting up a global Xmodmap to make my multimedia keys just work and I wonder where to make Xsession script to load the file |
| 20:02.51 | Swapper | Any video editor in Debian? |
| 20:02.53 | DDave | And maybe even change the default port to a different one (Stupid kiddies with their csanners) |
| 20:03.08 | sadas | Is there a reason why there's only a isapnptools package in sarge and no other newer or older distribution? |
| 20:03.09 | xingu | spldart: disable password auth and use key login would be my suggestion |
| 20:03.10 | wols | Swapper: kino? |
| 20:03.11 | spldart | LOL... already asked about the port change ddave |
| 20:03.14 | dcestari | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:03.16 | Swapper | wolffc, thx |
| 20:03.25 | Swapper | wols, thx :-) |
| 20:03.27 | DDave | :P |
| 20:03.37 | Swapper | I only know cinelerra ... |
| 20:03.41 | wols | &xsessopm |
| 20:03.44 | wols | &xsession |
| 20:03.46 | aptitude | i heard xsession is ~/.xsession is used for both XDM and 'startx', when there's no ~/.xinitrc. [See: startx(1)], or best initialized as `echo -e "#! /bin/sh\nsource $HOME/.bash_profile\nsource $HOME/.xinitrc" >$HOME/.xsession', or see this URL for some other tips: http://www.hantslug.org.uk/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?LinuxHints/StartX |
| 20:03.49 | Swapper | an i do not know which to use ... |
| 20:03.55 | maher | spldart: I have a simple iptables script i copied off someone else I can send you... |
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| 20:04.15 | Swapper | I only need a simple one ... if it's easy ... better :-) |
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| 20:04.29 | spldart | Hrm... I'm running iptables on my home router |
| 20:04.29 | wols | dondelelcaro: why are you here and dpkg isn't? |
| 20:04.32 | pickcoder | spldart: just install fail2ban |
| 20:04.33 | dcestari | &Xsession |
| 20:04.33 | aptitude | well, xsession is ~/.xsession is used for both XDM and 'startx', when there's no ~/.xinitrc. [See: startx(1)], or best initialized as `echo -e "#! /bin/sh\nsource $HOME/.bash_profile\nsource $HOME/.xinitrc" >$HOME/.xsession', or see this URL for some other tips: http://www.hantslug.org.uk/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?LinuxHints/StartX |
| 20:04.41 | dcestari | &Xmodmap |
| 20:04.42 | aptitude | it has been said that xmodmap is the tool from heaven. It fixed my backspace key to do what it's supposed to. (it modifies X keymaps), or, the tools from hell if you try to apply more than one modmap to the same session |
| 20:04.55 | wols | &tell dcestari about msgthebot |
| 20:04.56 | spldart | Please do maher |
| 20:05.23 | rubymonk | The APT tools are highly graphical and interactive applications and therefore run best on a robust machine. The APT is supported on Windows NT/2000/XP/Vista. |
| 20:05.34 | spldart | fail2ban just installs and runs right.. or do I need to do some setup on that? |
| 20:05.41 | pickcoder | spldart: you can configure it to watch a variety of services |
| 20:05.48 | pickcoder | ssh is default |
| 20:05.48 | rubymonk | Heh, what it takes to type apt for windows in google :P http://www.stsci.edu/hst/proposing/apt/installation/windows |
| 20:05.57 | spldart | sweet... It's in apt so I'll do that real quick |
| 20:06.00 | pickcoder | I also tweaked rules for postfix to block annoying spammers |
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| 20:06.24 | dcestari | anyone knows about /etc/X11/Xsession.d/ ? who creates files in this dir? |
| 20:06.24 | pickcoder | anyone that makes postfix return a 5xx error gets banned |
| 20:06.36 | timonator | i'm too dumb to get powertop. |
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| 20:07.02 | karrotx | cast: do you run rdiff-backup from one system to another? |
| 20:07.10 | karrotx | and if so, how do you preserve numerical id's? |
| 20:07.47 | donaldo | what does the vim search path do? it didn't do what was intuitive to me (ie. i couldn't add an arbitrary directory to the list of paths, and then use a command like ":e filename" with a filename that was relative to the new path i added) |
| 20:08.02 | cast | karrotx: nah, from one FS to another |
| 20:08.39 | disposable | i've just installed a rt2570 driver via "make ; make install" instead of module-assistant. I'd like to do it the debian way now. how do i remove the rt2570 module i created? do i just delete it and that's it? |
| 20:09.05 | wols | disposable: yes |
| 20:09.18 | maher | spldart: http://www.maher.org.uk/~joseph/ssh-bruteforce |
| 20:09.24 | spldart | I have deleted from the tree and depmod -a so it doesn't look for something that isn't there. |
| 20:09.30 | disposable | wols: no need to run some depmod thingy? |
| 20:09.46 | VincentC | spldart: you may also considering disable root ssh login |
| 20:09.58 | wols | DustyBin: yiz cab uf yiz wabt ti |
| 20:10.01 | wols | *to |
| 20:10.03 | pickcoder | if it's exposed to the Internet then disabling root login is a must |
| 20:10.12 | maher | disposable: assuming it went in the right place m-a will just overwrite it |
| 20:10.16 | Kobaz | how do i install php5 without the suhshin patch |
| 20:10.23 | disposable | maher, thanks |
| 20:10.24 | pickcoder | spldart: if you're truely paranoid, consider running OpenVPN |
| 20:10.29 | VincentC | spldart: and you can also chroot users |
| 20:10.31 | maher | disposable: otherwise find it in /lib/modules/wherever and delete it |
| 20:10.40 | spldart | I'd disable root in /etc/ssh/sshd-config right? |
| 20:10.41 | wols | Kobaz: what is the sushin patch? and is debian's php5 compiled with it? |
| 20:10.46 | Kobaz | wols: yeah it is |
| 20:10.52 | Kobaz | wols: it's a security patch that breaks everything |
| 20:11.00 | wols | Kobaz: build your own php5 package |
| 20:11.01 | spldart | Maher Iptables is allowing you to limit access to ssh login to only certain machines? |
| 20:11.05 | Kobaz | wols: yeah but :( |
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| 20:11.44 | Kobaz | it should be optional |
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| 20:12.24 | DustyBin | < wols> DustyBin: yiz cab uf yiz wabt ti <-- ? |
| 20:12.25 | wols | Kobaz: and I should have a pony |
| 20:12.34 | Kobaz | but they bite |
| 20:12.41 | VincentC | spldart: yeah change "PermitRootLogin" to no |
| 20:13.11 | wols | DustyBin: when did I say that? you can if you want it probably. missed homerow. again |
| 20:13.28 | maher | spldart: that script doesn't do that, but yes you could use iptables to do that - you could also use /etc/hosts.allow/deny |
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| 20:13.58 | VincentC | spldart: i haven't done this myself but you can disable password authentication and use keys |
| 20:14.42 | spldart | Thanks alot guys... I'm feeling better now about this and have implemented several of your suggestions already... is ssh in init.d? I'd like to restart it |
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| 20:16.15 | DustyBin | i have a tip for debian vmware users, this doesnt get installed by default: |
| 20:16.16 | DustyBin | xserver-xorg-input-vmmouse - X.Org X server -- VMMouse input driver to use with VMWare |
| 20:16.48 | DustyBin | xserver-xorg-video-vmware - X.Org X server -- VMware display driver <-- this does get installed with xorg |
| 20:16.51 | VincentC | spldart: /etc/init.d/ssh |
| 20:17.20 | DustyBin | open-vm-source - Source for VMware guest systems driver <-- what is this? |
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| 20:17.39 | simonrvn | xserver-xorg-{input,video}-all doesn't pull those in i guess |
| 20:18.31 | catsup | presumably they're in non-free or contrib ? |
| 20:18.41 | DustyBin | aye could be |
| 20:18.50 | DustyBin | i always leave non-free on the end of my repos |
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| 20:19.54 | spldart | I think I'm just gonna ssh a terminal and use 'screen' for multiple processes even though I have fluxbox on the server |
| 20:19.55 | helo | is there a safe way i can transition a remote site from allowing password only ssh auth to requiring pubkey+password, so that i won't risk locking myself out? |
| 20:20.00 | spldart | Again thanks |
| 20:20.21 | helo | i can change sshd settings without affecting existing connections, right? |
| 20:20.28 | catsup | helo: yes |
| 20:20.28 | Kobaz | yeap |
| 20:20.34 | spx2 | can I chroot my whole system ? |
| 20:20.40 | spx2 | I mean ... make 2 installs or somehting ? |
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| 20:20.48 | catsup | spx2: yes |
| 20:21.10 | cast | anyone ever seen 'sh: ./test.bin: Text file busy' errors before? |
| 20:21.17 | spx2 | catsup, how ? |
| 20:21.18 | Dantix | anyone knows where can I find the module source for Attansic (Atheros) L2 ethernet board? |
| 20:21.34 | wols | Dantix: in recent kernels |
| 20:21.36 | wols | atl2 driver |
| 20:21.39 | simonrvn | google |
| 20:21.51 | catsup | spx2: well you can create a fs with debootstrap, and chroot into it |
| 20:21.57 | AMDFreak | DustyBin: the open-vm-source is the open source kernel-module to get vmware run |
| 20:22.12 | Dantix | wols: as always, thank you |
| 20:22.36 | DustyBin | AMDFreak: if one uses the vmware installer, would it use that package automatically? |
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| 20:22.59 | wols | DustyBin: vmware is in debian (contrib, non-free) |
| 20:23.12 | mknug | cast: only when trying to move test.bin while it is being executed |
| 20:23.14 | DustyBin | jeeze i been using this all the time |
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| 20:23.16 | DustyBin | http://www.howtoforge.com/debian_etch_vmware_server_howto |
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| 20:23.32 | AMDFreak | DustyBin: no... the installer compiles proprietary code |
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| 20:23.53 | DustyBin | AMDFreak: vmare isnt opensource, so it cant be in the debian repos ? |
| 20:23.57 | qaldune | hi guys |
| 20:23.58 | cast | mknug: it only happens rarely, unfortunately |
| 20:24.08 | streuner | DustyBin: no |
| 20:24.26 | qaldune | if i want to install debian testing, i don't to download all the cd's, just have to download the first and then install packages from the internet that's right? |
| 20:24.29 | streuner | erm, yes :-) |
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| 20:24.43 | qaldune | i don't wan't to* |
| 20:24.55 | eth01 | erm, no, it's third-party. |
| 20:24.55 | DustyBin | open-vm-source - Source for VMware guest systems driver open-vm-tools - tools and components for VMware guest systems <-- is this all i need to get vmware running on my machine? |
| 20:25.06 | catsup | qaldune: ya... you can even do it w/o a cd... see the installation guide |
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| 20:25.14 | qaldune | how fast are debian repositories? 200K+? |
| 20:25.40 | rahul | much faster than cd mirrors |
| 20:25.45 | catsup | faster than your link bro |
| 20:25.54 | pickcoder | qaldune: depends on the mirror and if it's release day or not |
| 20:26.00 | rahul | I've gotten over 1 MB/sec from certain mirrors |
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| 20:26.08 | qaldune | ok |
| 20:26.14 | catsup | my isp actually has a debian repo |
| 20:26.25 | AMDFreak | DustyBin: right...vmware is closed source... and some ones don't want proprietary kernel modules.... and for those are the open-source kernel-modules |
| 20:26.27 | rahul | (ok, ok, that was from Lucent's offices, but still :P) |
| 20:26.58 | qaldune | i just wanted to make sure that they're not as slow as suse's ones used to |
| 20:27.03 | DustyBin | AMDFreak: i see! are those open source kernel modules as stable and solid as the proprietary ones |
| 20:27.24 | rahul | a mirror is as fast as a piece of string |
| 20:27.28 | maher | qaldune: there are large numbers of mirrors - you should be able to find a fast one - apt-spy or something is designed to look for a fast oe |
| 20:27.42 | qaldune | mmm ok |
| 20:27.48 | AMDFreak | DustyBin: no.. you need the Binary Vmware... and for interact with the kernel you can use the free source modules |
| 20:27.51 | qaldune | just two more questions |
| 20:28.02 | qaldune | what gnome version does testing include? |
| 20:28.10 | wols | !tell qaldune about search |
| 20:28.15 | wols | &tell qaldune about search |
| 20:28.27 | streuner | !info gnome-session testing |
| 20:28.38 | DustyBin | i see |
| 20:28.41 | rahul | heh |
| 20:28.47 | streuner | if you reach for the latest GNOME you are wrong in Debian :-/ |
| 20:28.55 | qaldune | yeah yeah i know |
| 20:28.58 | AMDFreak | DustyBin: I don't know how stable they are |
| 20:29.08 | streuner | @info gnome-session testing |
| 20:29.11 | rahul | what's the point of getting the latest gnome? |
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| 20:29.13 | qaldune | just one more question |
| 20:29.17 | pickcoder | dpkg have too much eggnog? |
| 20:29.28 | ravenbird | gnome-session: (The GNOME 2 Session Manager), section gnome, is optional. Version: 2.20.2-1 (lenny), Packaged size: 604 kB, Installed size: 2884 kB |
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| 20:30.02 | qaldune | are there issues with rt73 wireless adaptors? |
| 20:30.17 | streuner | rahul: newbies and changelings, dont even know what kind of features they provide... |
| 20:30.32 | Nostahl | what are the main differences between gnome and kde besides one has start bar on top and one on bottom lol |
| 20:30.36 | wols | qaldune: yes, the avauilable driver is fairly bad and the newer, better, open source driver is not out of beta |
| 20:30.50 | rahul | Nostahl: they're totally different, as far as API goes |
| 20:31.06 | Nostahl | rahul whats api |
| 20:31.07 | wols | dondelelcaro: please bring dpkg back. this year we'll be good kids, promise! |
| 20:31.11 | pickcoder | qaldune: also avoid broadcom if possible |
| 20:31.17 | rahul | Nostahl: KDE is C++ and uses Qt, GNOME is C and uses Gtk |
| 20:31.23 | wols | qaldune: intel or athers |
| 20:31.36 | qaldune | well rt73 driver from serialmonkey works fine on ubuntu |
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| 20:31.43 | rahul | GNOME uses CORBA. no clue if KDE uses one of those object-orientation-over-a-network messes. |
| 20:31.45 | Nostahl | rahul does one offer more support then the other? |
| 20:31.47 | qaldune | i guess it should do the same in debian |
| 20:31.51 | qaldune | am i wrong? |
| 20:31.55 | maher | Nostahl: for reasons of mass psychology its essential to have two warring camps to mop up excess emotional energy |
| 20:32.07 | rahul | Nostahl: they support approximately the same amount of bugginess |
| 20:32.30 | zoredache | I have apticron running on a few of my systems and a couple times a week I get a message "The following signatures were invalid", almost always it is complaining about security.debian.org. It tells me to run apt-get update to fix, which I have done several times, but that doesn't seem to permanently fix it... |
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| 20:33.03 | Nostahl | i think i'll download set up debian with kde then |
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| 20:33.53 | qaldune | what really amazes me it's the speed the torrent is getting |
| 20:34.14 | wols | Nostahl: http://www.theinquirer.net/gb/inquirer/news/2007/12/24/inq-guide-free-operating talks about about kde and gnome differences |
| 20:34.14 | Nostahl | do i just download the debian-40r1-i386-kde-cd-1.iso |
| 20:34.15 | dcestari | hello everyone, what is exactly the package name that provides qt developer stuff? like uic and headers |
| 20:34.49 | qaldune | dcestari pyqt-tools |
| 20:34.53 | qaldune | or pyqt4-tools |
| 20:34.56 | wols | Nostahl: you can |
| 20:35.01 | spx2 | catsup, will I be able to run X & stuff from my filesystem ? |
| 20:35.12 | wols | qaldune: huh? |
| 20:35.19 | wols | qaldune: that is pyqt, not qt |
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| 20:35.40 | qaldune | mmm sorry i'm used to pyqt |
| 20:35.58 | dcestari | hehe. thanks anyway |
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| 20:37.02 | rahul | Nostahl: what makes you think you need either gnome or kde? |
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| 20:37.42 | Nostahl | im going to set up my main desktop with debian |
| 20:37.45 | wols | dcestari: what is the name of the program you actually want? |
| 20:37.47 | rahul | . . . |
| 20:37.52 | Nostahl | so trying to pick a window environtment to use |
| 20:37.59 | rahul | Nostahl: which has nothing to do with gnome or kde |
| 20:38.07 | Nostahl | i'd like to try some 3d effects too |
| 20:38.18 | rahul | (well, it kinda has something to do with kde, in that kde provides one possible WM) |
| 20:38.29 | rahul | Nostahl: that also has nothing to do with gnome or kde |
| 20:38.46 | dcestari | wols: wlassistant but I'm compiling it so I need qt dev files. like uic and stuff. |
| 20:38.48 | rahul | the "3d" effects you're probably talking about are provided by a WM |
| 20:38.58 | dcestari | I got it, is libqt3-mt-dev in my case |
| 20:39.02 | Nostahl | what is a window manager |
| 20:39.07 | Nostahl | i thought gnome and kde are window managers |
| 20:39.15 | rahul | they aren't |
| 20:39.20 | dcestari | I'm still missing KDE include files, so I guess that'd be in kdebase-dev |
| 20:39.29 | rahul | and who said window manager? |
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| 20:40.06 | rahul | oh, you've heard the term before, and you were misled as to what it menas |
| 20:40.09 | wols | Adrian: so you look for a program named "uic"? if so, then you go to packages.debian.org and enter "bin/uic" in the lwoer form where yiu can search for files. if it exists in debian, it will show the package it is in |
| 20:40.12 | Kobaz | wols: heh, well, i got rid of suhshin.... i downgraded php to /stable |
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| 20:40.20 | DustyBin | sorry guys, im just about to pollute baby debian with vmware proprietary software |
| 20:40.39 | rahul | Nostahl: it's an application that arranges your windows on your screen and lets you move them around and show and hide them in whatever ways it allows |
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| 20:40.43 | Yancho | how can i uninstall gnome from debian so i can install xfce please? i tried to install xfce but it is still giving me gnome :| |
| 20:40.44 | Kobaz | wols: i'll build a new php later, but for now this stuff just has to work |
| 20:40.46 | spldart | I hate proprietery |
| 20:40.55 | DustyBin | me too but i have no choice |
| 20:40.57 | spldart | Not just software... everything proprietery |
| 20:41.00 | mknug | your mom hates proprietary |
| 20:41.03 | rahul | Nostahl: gnome and kde are a pile of apps and libraries |
| 20:41.10 | Nostahl | oh |
| 20:41.18 | DustyBin | xen = no windows on my processor, vbox = not mature enough yet, and thats about it |
| 20:41.19 | rahul | a pile that often has steam emanating from it |
| 20:41.39 | spldart | LOL |
| 20:41.53 | mknug | your mom's pile often has steam emenating from it |
| 20:42.20 | spldart | You got a mom fixation? |
| 20:42.24 | DustyBin | however, these do look very tempting: virtualbox-ose-modules-2.6.22-3-k7 - PC virtualization solution modules for Linux 2.6.22 on AMD K7 |
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| 20:42.31 | simonrvn | grow up... ffs |
| 20:42.54 | rahul | yeah, tell badger jokes, not mom jokes |
| 20:43.03 | pickcoder | simonrvn: it's sunday somewhere everyday |
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| 20:43.24 | simonrvn | isn't it |
| 20:44.07 | Nostahl | is there a native linux driver for wg111v3 yet its a netgear usb wireless adapter |
| 20:44.21 | Nostahl | is there a site that lists the native drivers i cna check |
| 20:44.28 | rahul | HEH |
| 20:44.35 | rahul | usb ethernet |
| 20:44.38 | satchmo | exit |
| 20:45.04 | Nostahl | ? |
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| 20:46.07 | badcfe | not actually a debian question .. what is the forth fd that the shells open. with lsof i see that bash has 255 open to the terminal and zsh has fd 10. why? i thought 0,1 and 2 was it |
| 20:46.28 | dondelelcaro | badcfe: all FD are numbered. |
| 20:46.47 | simonrvn | no, those just have names in addition to their numbers |
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| 20:47.31 | rahul | !wb |
| 20:47.34 | dpkg | thanks, rahul. It's good to be back. |
| 20:47.41 | badcfe | dondelelcaro: yes. ive seen this often in processes where i use syslog where it goes to a socket, then i see the point. but a bare shell seems to always have some forth fd to the terminal hanging around .. whats it for |
| 20:47.47 | simonrvn | 'fourth'; FORTH is a language and forth is "to go forth (forward)" |
| 20:47.48 | dondelelcaro | wols: sorry, didn't realize it had disappeared. |
| 20:48.00 | badcfe | 4th |
| 20:48.25 | simonrvn | hehe |
| 20:48.35 | Nostahl | anyone running a mini-itx debian computer? |
| 20:49.07 | simonrvn | rahul: i was too at first |
| 20:49.18 | badcfe | no, start some bash and then start a zsh. have them hanging around, then lsof then and see |
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| 20:49.47 | pickcoder | Nostahl: I would have a Debian A/V system in my van if I had the time and money |
| 20:49.47 | badcfe | on bash youll see it has fd 255 open with the controlling terminal |
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| 20:49.57 | badcfe | zsh too, but it has it on fd 10 |
| 20:50.04 | badcfe | whats it for? |
| 20:50.41 | Yancho | wols d same method for removing gnome from ubuntu works on debian too? (want to remove it from debian too) |
| 20:50.45 | zoredache | badcfe: you could get the bash source and look at the situation yourself? |
| 20:50.51 | simonrvn | probably having to do with the completion or something. i'm pretty sure the dev docs talk about it |
| 20:51.01 | Nostahl | pickcoder done much research on them yet? |
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| 20:51.12 | pickcoder | Nostahl: there's always google |
| 20:51.17 | dondelelcaro | fd > 9 are for the shell to use internally. |
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| 20:51.48 | dcestari | what is this? sh: o: command not found?? command 'o'? |
| 20:51.53 | OmarINCAE | Hello, I would like to install e17 in my debian etch stable, does somebody have the repositories to do that please? |
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| 20:52.03 | wols | Yancho: stop messaging other people unasked. good day |
| 20:53.54 | badcfe | dondelelcaro: thanks. means i can play with just upto 9 then |
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| 20:54.37 | Yancho | sorry wols |
| 20:54.39 | spldart | well.. that's goin to be an issue |
| 20:55.00 | spldart | My ip just changed mid operation and If I were at home I wouldn't be able to login |
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| 20:55.26 | spldart | Guess I'll find out real quick how often dsl@swbell changes ip |
| 20:55.30 | badcfe | i guess the shell keep it there in case the command starts a group where stdin,stderr and stderr all are redirected, so that the shell always can fetch its tty |
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| 20:55.37 | badcfe | that must be it! eureka |
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| 20:57.21 | gino | hi |
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| 20:58.00 | gino | im looking for old releases of debian, can someone help me? |
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| 20:58.21 | Chile` | gino: why? |
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| 20:58.52 | jelly-home | gino: how old? |
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| 20:59.01 | spldart | Very few mirrors even have sarge up anymore |
| 20:59.01 | gino | i need 2.4 kernel |
| 20:59.15 | spldart | Sounds like me 2 weeks ago... OLD hardware? |
| 20:59.21 | dvs | sarge can provide that |
| 20:59.21 | gino | yep |
| 20:59.23 | dvs | old stable |
| 20:59.31 | gino | where can i find it? |
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| 20:59.47 | jelly-home | !oldstable |
| 20:59.47 | dpkg | i heard oldstable is the previous stable version of Debian GNU/Linux, currently Sarge (3.1). Previously, Woody. Get old Sarge ISO's here: http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/archive/3.1_r6a/i386/iso-cd/ |
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| 21:00.15 | jelly-home | gino: do you already have a running system? |
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| 21:00.32 | dvs | gino: http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/ |
| 21:00.40 | gino | yep, mandrake 10.1, but not working well |
| 21:00.41 | dvs | oops! sorry |
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| 21:01.17 | gino | thanks so much man, ive benn looking for hours |
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| 21:03.04 | richardus | ok, i'm running torrentflux-b4rt. it has a feature that uses php's netstat to figure out what ports it has open. if i run netstat -l just from the command line i can see the port but from within tf-b4rt i can't see it. should this be reported as a debian bug? the b4rt people are saying their code just relies on php for the netstat information and so i think it would be a php bug. |
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| 21:04.05 | karrotx | df -h is saying /usr is 100% used, but i just deleted a 1.5gb file |
| 21:04.20 | Chile` | richardus: have you tried netstat through php seperately from tf? |
| 21:04.22 | karrotx | du -sch says it's 839mb's now, but df -h still says 2.3gbs |
| 21:04.27 | karrotx | how can a i correct df? |
| 21:04.48 | jelly-home | karrotx: a file might be still open by a running process |
| 21:04.55 | redrain | Hi, I'm trying to set mysql (debian package) to listen one IP on my lan. But I can't find the solution. Adding bind-address or listen parameters to my.cnf didn't work. |
| 21:05.25 | mknug | does etch support the usb xbox 360 controllers without additional tweaking? |
| 21:05.42 | karrotx | jelly-home: i dont believe so, the process was rdiff-backup but that's closed |
| 21:06.00 | karrotx | is there something like BSD's iostat for debian? |
| 21:06.23 | pickcoder | karrotx: iostat |
| 21:06.48 | Chile` | karrotx: apt-get install sysstat |
| 21:07.02 | jelly-home | karrotx: use something like "lsof -n | grep deleted" to look for files still in use |
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| 21:08.27 | karrotx | jelly-home: thank you |
| 21:08.37 | karrotx | ah that's much better |
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| 21:10.41 | Nostahl | whats the package name for getting ndiswrapper with apt |
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| 21:11.17 | pickcoder | Nostahl: use search |
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| 21:11.49 | pickcoder | Nostahl: honestly, though, you should download the lastest ndiswrapper source and compile it |
| 21:12.04 | pickcoder | the "stable" version is quite old |
| 21:12.14 | Nostahl | k |
| 21:12.17 | Nostahl | willdo |
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| 21:12.52 | pickcoder | you can build it into a .deb if you want |
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| 21:13.18 | Nostahl | quick question... if i want to install an operating system on each hard drive instead of using grub to manage booting them all could i just unplug the other hd's exept the one im installing to |
| 21:13.37 | Nostahl | then after install plug them allback in and then just select the hd i want to boot |
| 21:13.44 | Chile` | usually. why wouldn't you just use grub, though? |
| 21:14.10 | Chile` | Nostahl: it's helpful to do that for Windows, sometimes. I've never had to do it for *nix OSes though |
| 21:14.31 | Nostahl | i just didnt want to mess with the xp hd in the computer yet |
| 21:14.43 | Nostahl | untill i am all set |
| 21:14.48 | Spec | so...i'm having a weird problem. apt-get is telling me 'apache2-mpm-worker' has no installation candidate, and neither does "apache2-utils", yet I see them on packages.debian.org. My sources are set to ETCH. |
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| 21:15.32 | Spec | and apache2-mpm-worker shows up on apt-cache, but just says another package must've referred to it. |
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| 21:16.32 | Chile` | Nostahl: it can't hurt. |
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| 21:18.05 | Spec | and i see a reference to the package in /var/lib/apt/lists/ftp.us.debian.org_debian_dists_stable_main_binary-i386_Packages |
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| 21:19.43 | TurboBee | where does debian keep the default kernel configuration file? |
| 21:20.00 | catsup | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:20.01 | dvs | TurboBee: /boot |
| 21:20.02 | Spec | probably in /boot/config-`uname -r` |
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| 21:20.13 | Fish-Guts | hello |
| 21:20.18 | dvs | ewwwwww |
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| 21:20.22 | OmarINCAE | Hello, I would like to install e17 in my debian etch stable, does somebody have the repositories to do that please? |
| 21:21.21 | catsup | OmarINCAE: try backports.org ? |
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| 21:21.25 | TurboBee | dvs, thanks |
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| 21:21.32 | dvs | np |
| 21:21.48 | Fish-Guts | i have some trouble with my internet connection. i have configured my wireless adapter, and the drivers work fine. i have an IP address (static) but i can't ping the router |
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| 21:22.17 | vile_maxim | Having a problem with a guest os's networking on xen. it does not see the ethernet device. Any help? |
| 21:22.39 | Fish-Guts | i noticed also that the gnome nm-applet works, but if i change something there, my nameserver is changed to my router's address again... |
| 21:22.46 | Fish-Guts | what could be possiblsy be doing wrong? |
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| 21:23.24 | OmarINCAE | thanks gracias |
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| 21:23.30 | dutchfish | vile_maxim, you have setup /etc/xen/yourguest.cfg correctly about phys. adapters? |
| 21:24.37 | vile_maxim | dutchfish: not sure. I created a new test os using xen-tools, then copied my old OS to that. The test OS worked fine... |
| 21:24.56 | valdyn | Fish-Guts: the network works fine with nm-applet? |
| 21:25.06 | dutchfish | vile_maxim, you need a line like: vif = [ 'ip=192.168.2.32' ] |
| 21:25.26 | Fish-Guts | yep, but only with DHCP |
| 21:25.47 | Fish-Guts | if i define a static address in the config it doens't |
| 21:25.52 | dutchfish | vile_maxim, what guest, i mean OS? |
| 21:25.54 | valdyn | Fish-Guts: dhcp just sets gateway , netmask, ip address |
| 21:26.18 | valdyn | Fish-Guts: you must be skipping one of those 3 and/or using an invalid value for one of those 3 |
| 21:26.29 | valdyn | Fish-Guts: compare values set by dhcp and values you are setting |
| 21:26.35 | vile_maxim | dutchfish: etch |
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| 21:26.49 | dutchfish | vile_maxim, ok |
| 21:27.09 | Fish-Guts | valdyn: nm-applet seems to override the settings in /etc/network/interfaces |
| 21:27.21 | valdyn | Fish-Guts: yes, i know, thats what it does |
| 21:27.21 | dutchfish | vile_maxim, your bridge is up? within dom-0: brctl show |
| 21:28.09 | valdyn | Fish-Guts: values set by dhcp is == values set by network-manager |
| 21:28.30 | Fish-Guts | if i leave the connection to my interfaces file, it doesn't work, but is has the correct IP |
| 21:28.51 | valdyn | Fish-Guts: its THREE things i listed |
| 21:28.56 | vile_maxim | dutchfish: yeah... I worked when I created the OS using xen-tools. But I wanted to boot my old OS without having to redue it. I seem like it has to be a setting on the guest side... if it was working before I overwrote it. But I'm new to xen, so I guess it could be anything |
| 21:29.31 | valdyn | Fish-Guts: best you tell us the values you are trying to set and the values its setting via dhcp, for the 3 things i listed |
| 21:29.55 | dutchfish | vile_maxim, can you take over from within dom-o with xm console yourguest (at least when xentop shows its up)? |
| 21:30.11 | Fish-Guts | valdyn: i need: IP 192.168.1.3, Gateway: 192.168.1.1, Mask: 255.255.255.0 |
| 21:30.25 | dutchfish | vile_maxim, then redo networking settings within your guest |
| 21:30.38 | Fish-Guts | nm-applet sets: IP 192.168.1.34, Gateway 192.168.1.1, Mask 255.255.255.0 |
| 21:31.04 | vile_maxim | dutchfish: when I go into the guest os and do a ifconfig I only get lo. If I do ifconfig eth0 it says eth0: error fetching interface information: Device not found |
| 21:31.12 | wols | Fish-Guts: why don't you use /etc/network/interfaces? |
| 21:31.24 | valdyn | Fish-Guts: ok, those values should work. |
| 21:31.57 | dutchfish | vile_maxim, is your bridge up in dom-0? |
| 21:31.59 | Fish-Guts | valdyn: if I manually restart the settings with /etc/init.d/networking restart i get the values: |
| 21:32.06 | valdyn | Fish-Guts: are you setting them correctly though? check "route" and "ifconfig <iface>" |
| 21:32.23 | Fish-Guts | IP 192.168.1.3, Gateway: 192.192.1.255, Mask: 255.255.255.0 |
| 21:32.36 | lhadji | !nvidia |
| 21:32.36 | dpkg | To use an NVIDIA graphics card with Debian, see http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers. If you've done it before, ask me about <nvidia one-liner> for a reminder. |
| 21:32.45 | vile_maxim | dutchfish: yeah... I believe so. It worked with my test OS |
| 21:32.52 | Fish-Guts | route gets my a gateway of 192.168.1.0 |
| 21:32.55 | Fish-Guts | totally messed up |
| 21:32.55 | valdyn | Fish-Guts: looks like you are not specifying the right gateway in /etc/network/interfaces |
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| 21:33.00 | Fish-Guts | valdyn: i do |
| 21:33.01 | dutchfish | vile_maxim, plz check with brctl show |
| 21:33.04 | Fish-Guts | i triple checked |
| 21:33.11 | valdyn | Fish-Guts: show us, use a paste site |
| 21:33.41 | vile_maxim | dutchfish: it shows xenbr0 |
| 21:33.42 | valdyn | Fish-Guts: where you paste outputs of "route", "ifconfig" and the contents of /etc/network/interfaces |
| 21:33.48 | Fish-Guts | hang on i need the other machine to get online first.. |
| 21:33.50 | Fish-Guts | just a sec |
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| 21:34.05 | vile_maxim | dutchfish: do you need the complete output? |
| 21:34.22 | valdyn | Fish-Guts: nm does not interfer with interfaces listed in /etc/network/interfaces in debian by the way |
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| 21:34.43 | dutchfish | vile_maxim, no, only check if every guest has is own vif virt interface within the bridge |
| 21:34.59 | valdyn | Fish-Guts: this could mean that your interface is being renamed or whatever, let's see those things first though |
| 21:35.15 | dutchfish | vile_maxim, something like vif1.0 vif2.0 etc |
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| 21:36.08 | vile_maxim | dutchfish: it showing both vif's in the list for brctl show |
| 21:36.21 | dutchfish | vile_maxim, ok |
| 21:36.35 | Fish-Guts | http://rafb.net/paste/Q2BNBE98.html |
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| 21:36.48 | vile_maxim | dutchfish: I was guessing that it was a mod that was missing on the guest side... or something |
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| 21:37.04 | vile_maxim | dutchfish: does that sound possible? |
| 21:37.04 | Fish-Guts | sorry, -> http://rafb.net/p/Q2BNBE98.html |
| 21:37.06 | dutchfish | vile_maxim, hold on |
| 21:37.09 | vile_maxim | k |
| 21:37.11 | vile_maxim | sorry |
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| 21:38.43 | dutchfish | vile_maxim, can you paste (not in here but to pastbin) your /etc/network/interfaces file, from your guest? |
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| 21:39.09 | valdyn | Fish-Guts: its auto eth1, not eth1 auto |
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| 21:39.57 | Fish-Guts | well i got it the right way in the file. i typed it manually in the pastebin |
| 21:40.22 | valdyn | Fish-Guts: you're not pasting but copying stuff you think relevant |
| 21:40.31 | valdyn | Fish-Guts: that makes it impossible to find certain errors |
| 21:41.04 | valdyn | Fish-Guts: ifdown eth1 && ifup eth1 should set your interface up correctly, according to what you copied down |
| 21:41.38 | valdyn | Fish-Guts: check for unwanted dhclient processes |
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| 21:42.37 | valdyn | Fish-Guts: nm will not touch your eth1 if things are setup right, if eth1 is specified correctly in /etc/network/interfaces |
| 21:42.41 | j4ybuntux | hi |
| 21:42.48 | vile_maxim | dutchfish: I had to manually type.. not network |
| 21:42.50 | j4ybuntux | how to "flush" tcp-connections? |
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| 21:43.25 | valdyn | j4ybuntux: is that a coding questions or a process management question? |
| 21:43.48 | j4ybuntux | mhh, process managment |
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| 21:43.59 | vile_maxim | dutchfish: you there |
| 21:44.02 | valdyn | j4ybuntux: kill the process that has that connection open |
| 21:44.09 | dutchfish | vile_maxim, yes |
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| 21:45.56 | Fish-Guts | valdyn: here are my outputs and interfaces file: http://rafb.net/p/vLLZcu25.html |
| 21:46.12 | pmo | hi, i would like to try to compile a program that make use of nfnetlink.. but then i need to upgrade a library, and if i do it.. it will remove most part of a kde in the meantime, what's wrong ? |
| 21:46.22 | Fish-Guts | the settings are correct, but nm overrides them and i can't connect with /etc/init.d/network restart |
| 21:46.31 | j4ybuntux | valdyn, i tried that, but no change, as you can see here: http://img143.imageshack.us/img143/7972/refoolutionfoosionnetstnx6.png .. the green graph looks very strange to me |
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| 21:47.25 | dutchfish | vile_maxim, the /etc/network/interface file should be almost default for a static config |
| 21:47.34 | keith4 | i've suddenly discovered that x is ignoring all of the modifier keys on my keyboard... |
| 21:47.43 | dutchfish | vile_maxim, if you can paste it we can check |
| 21:47.47 | pmo | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:47.51 | valdyn | j4ybuntux: what am i supposed to do with that? i see alot of connetions, i dont know how many processeces are dealing with them |
| 21:48.10 | vile_maxim | dutchfish: k one sec |
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| 21:49.10 | valdyn | > vile_maxim, can you paste (not in here but to pastbin) your /etc/network/interfaces file, from your |
| 21:49.11 | j4ybuntux | how to flush those connections? not from process, causing this connections site.. but from netwerk interface site? |
| 21:49.15 | valdyn | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:49.35 | valdyn | j4ybuntux: why ? what for? |
| 21:49.35 | vile_maxim | done |
| 21:50.12 | vile_maxim | dutchfish: done |
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| 21:50.13 | valdyn | j4ybuntux: i dont really understand what you are trying to accomplish |
| 21:50.21 | pmo | j4ybuntux, tcpkill maybe |
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| 21:50.39 | Timo^ | Evening fellows |
| 21:50.55 | dutchfish | vile_maxim, where is it? |
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| 21:51.09 | vile_maxim | pastbin |
| 21:51.19 | pmo | vile_maxim, :)))) |
| 21:51.25 | pmo | we got a joker :) |
| 21:51.27 | j4ybuntux | the graph is not acting as usual.. something is strange with those green graph |
| 21:51.35 | dutchfish | vile_maxim, link maybe, would be handy? |
| 21:51.51 | pmo | dutchfish, :) you sure ;-) :) |
| 21:52.31 | vile_maxim | dutchfish: sorry... though you meant a room called pastebin... |
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| 21:53.37 | pmo | vile_maxim, pastebin.com |
| 21:53.38 | vile_maxim | http://pastebin.com/m5c45b730 |
| 21:54.06 | vile_maxim | figured it out... when did we stop using flood? |
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| 21:54.11 | j4ybuntux | pmo: how to get tcpkill? |
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| 21:54.18 | dutchfish | vile_maxim, ill post an example back, a sec |
| 21:54.25 | dutchfish | vile_maxim, this wont work |
| 21:54.31 | pmo | my debian system, if i want to install a tiny library want to remove kde all the way, why is it like this, what can i do about it ? |
| 21:54.32 | vile_maxim | k |
| 21:54.34 | wols | vile_maxim: with the advent of webbased pastebins. #flood doesn't scale |
| 21:54.50 | Timo^ | dutchfish : can i come private? need to ask you some questions in dutch ? |
| 21:54.50 | vile_maxim | seems cool |
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| 21:55.13 | pmo | j4ybuntux, apt-get install dsniff |
| 21:55.14 | Timo^ | a bit linux related stuff |
| 21:55.38 | dutchfish | vile_maxim, http://pastebin.com/m55800bf6 |
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| 21:56.14 | Timo^ | ps Channel #pastebin does exists why should it not be used for pastebin stuff? |
| 21:56.15 | Bombo | hi |
| 21:56.17 | dutchfish | vile_maxim, you can alter the ip to your needs |
| 21:56.52 | Timo^ | Hi Bombo |
| 21:56.57 | pmo | Timo^, because one would be needed for each one person.. i suppose :) |
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| 21:57.32 | Timo^ | nah. using it with bots or something ;) or just make some rulez for the room. |
| 21:57.37 | vile_maxim | dutchfish: trying now... |
| 21:57.43 | Bombo | i'm using etch, and i want to know if its possible to import mozilla-mail accounts incl. mailboxes/inbox/emails into icedove |
| 21:57.44 | dutchfish | vile_maxim, ok |
| 21:57.57 | j4ybuntux | thx pmo |
| 21:58.11 | Timo^ | dutchfish : did you get my msgs around here? |
| 21:58.19 | dutchfish | Timo^, sure |
| 21:58.26 | maher | Bombo: it should be possible |
| 21:58.33 | Timo^ | okay. |
| 21:58.35 | Bombo | maher: is there a tool? |
| 21:58.39 | Bombo | or whatever |
| 21:59.22 | Timo^ | ah nevermind dutchfish just wanted to ask you a copple of questions. but my new hdds are comming at 4january 2008 |
| 21:59.26 | maher | Bombo: icedove is really just thunderbird - I don't use it much but i expect there is some import feature... |
| 21:59.32 | Timo^ | so i'l be waiting for that |
| 21:59.34 | dutchfish | Timo^, good |
| 21:59.38 | Timo^ | yes :) |
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| 22:00.12 | Timo^ | just wanted to know if most of the promise sata controllers will work with linux |
| 22:00.26 | Timo^ | nah i think (hope) so. |
| 22:00.30 | dutchfish | Timo^, as far as i know most do |
| 22:00.45 | Timo^ | ok :) |
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| 22:01.46 | Timo^ | hmm okay. |
| 22:01.50 | pmo | Timo^, some limitation.. but best is to look in the kernel sources.. |
| 22:02.19 | Timo^ | okay. |
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| 22:08.44 | Nostahl | i just did a fresh install of debian |
| 22:09.00 | Nostahl | do i need to get any packages to build an ati driver .deb package with there package builder? |
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| 22:10.20 | karrotx | how can i show only defunct processes |
| 22:10.21 | pmo | Timo^, you have a blacklist on linux-.../drivers/scsi/libata-core.c if that helps.. look for blacklist.. not sure is relevant.. but a clue.. |
| 22:10.30 | wols | Nostahl: this is not supported |
| 22:10.37 | wols | !ati one-liner |
| 22:10.38 | dpkg | The binary driver made available by ATI. See <fglrx one-liner> for installation. See http://www.linuks.mine.nu/ati/fglrx-driver for a non-Debian installation method, or currently not working with xorg > 7.1. Downgrade xserver-xorg-core to 7.1 for the time being if you are on testing/unstable. See also <fglrx 2.6.21>. |
| 22:10.40 | traubisoda | hey |
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| 22:12.06 | dutchfish | karrotx, ps auxww | grep defunct ? |
| 22:12.20 | karrotx | that's what i figured |
| 22:12.22 | karrotx | thanks |
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| 22:17.20 | pmo | how do i solve my install issue.. since when i want to install a tiny a library, apt-get propose me to remove just all kde stuff.. |
| 22:18.24 | maher | pmo: well i gues it conflicts with kde... |
| 22:18.58 | pmo | maher, whatever i want to install is the same answer.. (remove of kde) |
| 22:19.47 | maher | pmo: read the package info and see what it confilcts with... |
| 22:20.01 | pmo | maher no not true.. i tried an other small package and it did not ask to remove kde :-/ |
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| 22:20.51 | maher | pmo: well maybe the other package didn't confilct with kde |
| 22:21.14 | pmo | maher at some point it mentioned libc.. that should be release 2.7 instead of 2.5 or something similar, hence i tried to compile the stuff locally instead, since libc6 is very used everywhere.. but then for the simple library .. same pain.. remove kde.. |
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| 22:21.59 | fjfalcon | hello all, can someone help me: after i'm executing route add default ppp0 system dont respond... where is problem? |
| 22:22.07 | pmo | but then for a simple dev library.. .h .. it ask to remove kde.. :( |
| 22:22.20 | maher | pmo: _READ_ the package info |
| 22:22.30 | pmo | maher, ok |
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| 22:23.54 | spanther | hi there i want to know if the encrypted LVM partition is hack safe to store sensitive data :) |
| 22:23.56 | penp | pmo: thats because kde depends on 2.5 probably, and if you replace with 2.7, it wants to remove kde |
| 22:24.20 | dutchfish | spanther, pretty save if you follow guidelines |
| 22:24.35 | spanther | dutchfish which guidelines? i am newbie with encryption :) |
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| 22:25.08 | pmo | penp, i suppose.. but it doesnt do anything similar with gnome.. gnome is upgraded.. not kde :( |
| 22:25.09 | spanther | i am up to create the encrypted LVM now at "automated mode" but i dont have put in a password yet :) its still formating |
| 22:26.00 | penp | pmo: gnome probably depends on different libs. you can't expect to upgrade a core library like libc and expect everyhting to stay the same |
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| 22:26.22 | spanther | dutchfish can you give me instructions /guidelines ? |
| 22:26.34 | dutchfish | spanther, http://riseuplabs.org/grimoire//storage/encryption/dmcrypt/ |
| 22:26.58 | pmo | penp, sure.. but a whole package like kde.. removed.. while i am on testing and neither on unstable or experimental, there is something wrong somewhere.. |
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| 22:27.11 | spanther | dutchfish thank you very much and merry x-mas :) |
| 22:27.19 | dutchfish | spanther, yw ;) |
| 22:27.21 | penp | pmo: and you cant reinstall kde after you upgrade? |
| 22:27.46 | maher | pmo: are you running stable/testing/whatecer? |
| 22:28.00 | pmo | penp, maybe.. but why does he propose to remove kde.. and not upgrade it, then ? like he does with gnome ? |
| 22:28.22 | pmo | maher, a mix of that shit to be honest.. but mostly testing.. |
| 22:28.37 | maher | pmo: because the packages has some sort of conflicts - why don't you just read the package info and then you would know |
| 22:29.05 | pmo | maher, i read README actually.. no clues |
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| 22:29.13 | maher | pmo: if you're running random mixes of the dists there's no particular reason why anything should work |
| 22:29.16 | penp | pmo: you're mixing stable with testing and unstable and you expect it to just work? this isnt ubuntu :p |
| 22:29.21 | pmo | what i do is only this : apt-get -t testing install libnfnetlink-dev |
| 22:30.20 | maher | pmo: why don't you learn about the packaging system |
| 22:30.32 | penp | ;; |
| 22:30.36 | aredhel | spanther, if some one gets root while the partition is unencrypted then they have the password and the data. Encrypted LVM really only helps when some one steals your computer and does not give it back. |
| 22:31.07 | penp | aredhel: even if you use a different password for the encryption? |
| 22:31.17 | penp | aredhel: oh nevermind, i misread |
| 22:31.21 | penp | aredhel: lol my bad |
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| 22:32.02 | maher | spanther: i encrypt my laptop hd - I don't bother with my desktops, as if someone breaks in to my house i have bigger problems... |
| 22:32.14 | dutchfish | aredhel, i thought that was the initial q, but if you have workaround for that, plz by all means, tell me |
| 22:32.22 | pmo | maher, because i felt i was not suppose to learn packaging.. just to install a small library.. i do understand there is some "depends" issue.. but to remove whole kde.. sounds like mess to me.. how to fix it, i dont know |
| 22:32.32 | spanther | maher why do you have bigger problems then? :) |
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| 22:32.47 | maher | spanther: i am hiding under the bed hoping they don't shoot me |
| 22:32.55 | spanther | lol |
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| 22:33.05 | penp | pmo: if you understand how package management works, you will understand how your installation issues work |
| 22:33.07 | xuser_ | what service is this random port debian listens after install? |
| 22:33.12 | spanther | its just cause i hate what they try now in european union :) |
| 22:33.26 | maher | xuser_: grep NN /etc/services |
| 22:33.26 | spanther | i want to use firewalls and proxy servers now for security reasons and privacy |
| 22:33.46 | xuser_ | maher: its not there, after i reboot it changes. |
| 22:33.52 | maher | xuser_: or netstat -pant |
| 22:34.21 | xuser_ | maher: nice |
| 22:34.31 | xuser_ | maher: what about for udp services? |
| 22:34.39 | pmo | penp, i suppose.. but the obvious thing is.. it relies on "dependance".. that is for sure.. but then.. how can it mess up that much to want to remove kde as a whole for a simple dev library.. like libnfnetlink.. |
| 22:34.50 | maher | xuser_: or netstat -panu |
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| 22:35.24 | xuser_ | maher: thanks! |
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| 22:35.49 | penp | pmo: because if kde needs that library to function, or if that dev library is required by something else that kde needs to function, removing it will cause it to be rmoved |
| 22:36.10 | xuser_ | it all say rpc |
| 22:36.14 | penp | pmo: or you have other screwed up dependancy issues because you're mixing too many different repos |
| 22:36.26 | pmo | also if i say ... apt-get -t testing install libnfnetlink-dev kde ... it doesnt remove it all.. but part of kde.. while by default it would remove it all.. is there something i must say.. add to tell it.. not to remove what it is installed as long as he can or just upgrade it ? |
| 22:37.41 | penp | pmo: its probably grabbing the kde from testing, you could try upgrading to teh whole kde suite from testing and that might help. |
| 22:37.55 | maher | xuser_: thats nfs / portmap stuff - remove nfs-common if you don't need it |
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| 22:39.19 | xuser_ | maher: yeah, i don't need, thx. |
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| 22:39.25 | maher | pmo: you need to have some basic understanding of the packaging system in order to do what you want to do, and have any chance of ending up with a functionining system |
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| 22:39.53 | maher | pmo_: you need to have some basic understanding of the packaging system in order to do what you want to do, and have any chance of ending up with a functioning system |
| 22:40.12 | pmo_ | penp, ??? apt-get -t testing install kde <-- it says newest kde version ??? |
| 22:40.19 | maher | pmo_: I would recommend you use stable as you base system and install testing or unstable in a chroot if you want to play with them |
| 22:40.37 | penp | pmo_: you probably have kde from stable installed, executing that will install kde from testing |
| 22:41.05 | penp | ugh |
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| 22:41.09 | penp | nevermind |
| 22:41.17 | penp | pmo_: i'm not going to attempt helping you anymore, sorry |
| 22:41.30 | pmo_ | penp, no.. when i did apt-get -t testing install kde.. it says newest installed.. nothing to do.. as it sounds like.. |
| 22:41.43 | pmo_ | penp, ok, thanks for trying |
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| 22:43.24 | pmo_ | what i don't understand.. is.. apt-get -t testing install kde .. doesn't install anything (newest version) and "apt-get -t testing install libnfnetlink-dev" will remove all kde stuff and.. "apt-get -t testing install libnfnetlink-dev kde".. will remove only part of kde.. that means it can upgrade.. but how so.. since "apt-get -t testing install kde".. does nothing, but say newest.. ??? |
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| 22:43.43 | cp | where is the mail log located? |
| 22:43.50 | cp | or how do i install sendmailk |
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| 22:44.20 | maher | cp: /var/log/exim or /var/log/mail depending on which mailler you use |
| 22:44.29 | cp | default |
| 22:44.49 | maher | cp: apt-get install sendmail |
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| 22:45.10 | maher | cp: they change the default every now and then so I don't know which one you have |
| 22:45.39 | simonrvn | pmo_: use aptitude and be happ{y,ier} |
| 22:45.48 | cp | R=nonlocal: Mailing to remote domains not supported |
| 22:45.48 | cp | 2007-12-26 16:33:10 1J7eoI-0002Er-Hz <= <> R=1J7eoI-0002Ep-4d U=Debian-exim P=local S=1522 |
| 22:45.57 | cp | whys it not working? |
| 22:46.00 | cp | crap |
| 22:46.11 | cp | maher u cant hide |
| 22:46.18 | Mazingaro | hi |
| 22:46.21 | maher | cp: try reconfiguring exim |
| 22:46.28 | cp | how |
| 22:46.35 | Mazingaro | does anyone know slinter cell game for linux? |
| 22:46.48 | simonrvn | dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config |
| 22:46.57 | maher | cp: dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config |
| 22:47.00 | pmo_ | simonrvn, maybe :( or debug as always.. :( .. just for .h file to install.. |
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| 22:48.25 | xuser_ | how do one enables IP forwarding in Debian? |
| 22:48.58 | pmo_ | xuser_, option on /proc |
| 22:49.18 | neotic | xuser_: echo 1 >> /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward |
| 22:49.25 | neotic | no |
| 22:49.28 | neotic | only one > |
| 22:50.00 | xuser_ | will it be enable after reboot with that? |
| 22:50.16 | cp | same error |
| 22:50.17 | neotic | no |
| 22:50.24 | neotic | xuser_: write it to /etc/sysctl.conf |
| 22:50.57 | maher | cp: make sure you restart exim - did you configure it to send email? |
| 22:51.06 | neotic | xuser_: /etc/sysctl.conf: net.ipv4.ip_forward = 1 then write sysctl -p |
| 22:51.13 | xuser_ | neotic: oh that is the file i was looking for, thaks. |
| 22:51.16 | neotic | xuser_: and you will have it now and after reboot |
| 22:51.42 | xuser_ | same as OpenBSD :D |
| 22:51.47 | neotic | yus |
| 22:52.32 | simonrvn | xuser_: stick it in /etc/sysctl.conf to save that; sysctl -p as root to immediately enable |
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| 22:53.00 | neotic | simonrvn: exactly what i wrote a couple of lines ago :pp |
| 22:53.38 | simonrvn | neotic: didn't see that, stuck with konsole until i get uxterm installed... |
| 22:54.29 | simonrvn | that's cool, we help each other, eh :) |
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| 22:55.41 | neotic | ^^ |
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| 23:01.04 | simonrvn | foo |
| 23:01.33 | Joti | bork |
| 23:02.02 | SerajewelKS | my sound card is acting goofy |
| 23:02.14 | SerajewelKS | if i feed it something on the mic input and unmute the mic in the mixer it sounds fine |
| 23:02.20 | SerajewelKS | if i record it sounds like shit |
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| 23:02.26 | SerajewelKS | i'm uploading a FLAC sample |
| 23:02.59 | SerajewelKS | if SDF will respond |
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| 23:04.52 | SerajewelKS | http://sirajul.tx0.org/soundbug.flac |
| 23:05.08 | SerajewelKS | the artifacts should be obvious, but i'm not sure what's causing it |
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| 23:06.13 | SerajewelKS | damn, sdf is having problems |
| 23:06.20 | Yancho | how can i open a vnc connection using real vnc viewer on the windows side ? |
| 23:06.39 | SerajewelKS | Yancho: same way you do on linux |
| 23:06.42 | SerajewelKS | Yancho: ip:display |
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| 23:08.00 | Yancho | SerajewelKS no its not what i meant .. what packages would i need installed? i got the same packages installed on ubuntu and it accepts my connection to debian it says connection refused |
| 23:08.08 | SerajewelKS | ok just kidding, it seems to be an audacity bug.. phew |
| 23:08.18 | SerajewelKS | Yancho: on the windows box? |
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| 23:09.21 | Yancho | im trying to connect from windows box |
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| 23:11.55 | mike1o | for some reason I am suddenly not able to watch movies... when I restart X all goes back to normal.. |
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| 23:17.53 | astinus | Evening folks. What's the easiest way of ensuring packages are only pulled in from security? I'm automating some upgrades.. |
| 23:18.27 | simonrvn | security team ups the debian version numbers |
| 23:18.57 | astinus | simonrvn: Maybe I wasn't 100% clear. If I apt-get upgrade, I get new security bumped stuff, *plus* some other stuff from backports, etc |
| 23:19.13 | astinus | simonrvn: for the automated stuff, I only want security.debian.org bumps :) |
| 23:19.30 | simonrvn | and? |
| 23:19.36 | astinus | which is what I'm asking? |
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| 23:20.08 | maher | astinus: remove the backports line from sources.list? |
| 23:20.24 | astinus | maher: thats not a realistic solution, heh |
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| 23:20.47 | maher | astinus: why do you have backports in sources.list if you don't want them? |
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| 23:21.29 | astinus | maher: Because when I do attended upgrades, I want *everything* upgraded, but thats only once every few months. Security upgrades I wish to apply once per day using CFengine, to cut down on my workload. |
| 23:21.39 | limpio | hi, how do i restart syslog? |
| 23:22.02 | astinus | limpio: /etc/init.d/sysklogd restart |
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| 23:22.11 | spq | i have problms with psybnc, an irc bouncer application, on a 2.4 kernel it runs but on 2.6 it starts to hang after some time with an futex syscall, and an established udp connection to a dns server |
| 23:22.18 | limpio | astinus: thx buddy |
| 23:22.32 | maher | astinus: well why not leave the default sources with security only, and copy over a fuller one when you want to manually upgrade |
| 23:22.37 | simonrvn | ah now i see |
| 23:22.50 | wols_ | spq: use irssi |
| 23:22.51 | maher | astinus: or do something ugly with apt-preferences |
| 23:22.57 | simonrvn | use m4 or something, or use symlinks depending |
| 23:23.11 | spq | i cant, its for customers |
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| 23:23.45 | astinus | simonrvn: can you specify to apt-get on the CLI which sources.list to use? I could push a sources.list.security I guess and just have the automated invocations use that? |
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| 23:28.22 | simonrvn | i don't know, manual should say |
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| 23:28.55 | SerajewelKS | Yancho: you'd need a vnc client, that's it |
| 23:29.01 | Fish-Guts | hi folks. i just re installed debian and noticed that the sound is way too quiet when i plug in the speakers / headphones, unplugged is fine... what could it be? |
| 23:29.45 | Yancho | SerajewelKS i am using the same vnc client (real vnc) on ubuntu i log .. on debian : connection refused |
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| 23:30.20 | SerajewelKS | Yancho: is the vnc server running? is there a firewall? |
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| 23:31.01 | Yancho | thats the problem .. not sure if it is running or not :S i dont recall i did anything on ubuntu so i guessed it does the same .. unless there is a firewall installed by default there shouldnt |
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| 23:31.26 | SerajewelKS | Yancho: if you just installed the vnc server packages, it won't start a server until you tell it to |
| 23:31.44 | SerajewelKS | Yancho: if you are using gnome try system > preferences > remote desktop |
| 23:31.57 | Yancho | no i am using xfce |
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| 23:32.39 | \amethyst | Fish-Guts: have you checked the mixer settings? |
| 23:32.47 | SerajewelKS | Yancho: then you'll have to run it from the command line |
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| 23:36.21 | bkruse | how do you send an EOF to netcat? |
| 23:36.32 | pmo_ | well i may have some clues about this install where apt-get .. wanted to remove all kde.. to install a single library.. in fact it seems that there is only one package unavailable.. libnfnetlink1 .. as it sounds like.. and is where all the mess starts.. |
| 23:36.41 | maher | bkruse: try crtl-D |
| 23:36.49 | Yancho | SerajewelKS vnc4server should be good right? |
| 23:37.01 | bkruse | maher: I want to pass it into stdin maher, like echo "blahblah" | nc ip port |
| 23:37.08 | SerajewelKS | Yancho: depends what you want to do, and really it would take too long to explain it all |
| 23:37.24 | vampirefrog | how come before it was 'iceweasel' and now it's 'firefox' ? |
| 23:38.09 | SerajewelKS | vampirefrog: other way around |
| 23:38.15 | SerajewelKS | vampirefrog: it was firefox, now it's iceweasel |
| 23:38.21 | Yancho | just so it allow me to use remote desktop from my windows pc .. nothing much |
| 23:38.25 | pmo_ | aptitude is pretty nice, as long as you can guess what keystroke does what.. not really genuine.. and you shouldnt be tired to manoeuvre it.. :(.. but compare to other stuff.. an improvment :( .. |
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| 23:38.38 | SerajewelKS | Yancho: well that will start a new vnc server with a new desktop, not the one you are using |
| 23:38.44 | SerajewelKS | Yancho: have a look at the x11vnc package |
| 23:38.51 | vampirefrog | SerajewelKS: i know what I see :) before my last dist-upgrade, the browser was iceweasel, now it's magically been replaced by firefox |
| 23:38.59 | vampirefrog | the title bar says firefox and everything |
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| 23:39.02 | SerajewelKS | vampirefrog: which distro? |
| 23:39.06 | vampirefrog | lenny |
| 23:39.14 | Yancho | oki thanks SerajewelKS :) no i want it to use mine heh |
| 23:39.27 | vampirefrog | it's ff 2.0.0.11 |
| 23:39.35 | maher | bkruse: same as cat, see http://www.jfranken.de/homepages/johannes/vortraege/netcat_inhalt.en.html |
| 23:39.54 | vampirefrog | SerajewelKS: why was it iceweasel in the first place? licence problems? what problems? |
| 23:39.59 | SerajewelKS | vampirefrog: i'm on lenny too, just did a dist-upgrade, iceweasel wasn't touched, weird |
| 23:40.01 | vampirefrog | license |
| 23:40.02 | vampirefrog | * |
| 23:40.08 | SerajewelKS | vampirefrog: mozilla was being a bitch about their trademark |
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| 23:40.21 | vampirefrog | I'm actually using a launcher for iceweasel, and ff starts |
| 23:40.22 | vampirefrog | :) |
| 23:40.25 | SerajewelKS | debian was applying unapproved patches, etc |
| 23:40.47 | simonrvn | @info firefox lenny |
| 23:40.56 | spx2 | can I have 2 mains in /etc/apt/sources.list ? |
| 23:40.57 | vampirefrog | yeah, i guess if debian applies a buggy patch, it's mozilla's name that gets dirt int its face |
| 23:40.58 | vampirefrog | :) |
| 23:41.06 | SerajewelKS | vampirefrog: uhm, 2.0.0.11 is in sid, not lenny |
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| 23:41.10 | vampirefrog | !info firefox lenny |
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| 23:41.12 | bkruse | maher: thank you! |
| 23:41.14 | SerajewelKS | vampirefrog: that's their logic yeah |
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| 23:41.45 | vampirefrog | simonrvn: package firefox does not exist :) |
| 23:41.47 | pmo_ | 3.0 beta is out.. since some time now.. |
| 23:41.49 | UNCLETOMM | UPVOTE MY VIDEO [+] and DOWNVOTE [-] THE OTHER ONES (MY VIDEO): http://www.gameriot.com/contests/blackbird/ZUaXv90DF3/ |
| 23:41.51 | SerajewelKS | vampirefrog: plus some people didn't like that the firefox artwork was not dfsg free |
| 23:41.52 | UNCLETOMM | UPVOTE MY VIDEO [+] and DOWNVOTE [-] THE OTHER ONES (MY VIDEO): http://www.gameriot.com/contests/blackbird/ZUaXv90DF3/ |
| 23:41.55 | UNCLETOMM | UPVOTE MY VIDEO [+] and DOWNVOTE [-] THE OTHER ONES (MY VIDEO): http://www.gameriot.com/contests/blackbird/ZUaXv90DF3/ |
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| 23:42.02 | SerajewelKS | yeesh |
| 23:42.14 | SerajewelKS | vampirefrog: so all the iceweasel artwork is dfsg free |
| 23:42.14 | vampirefrog | UNCLESPAMM |
| 23:42.22 | vampirefrog | ah for fux sake |
| 23:42.43 | simonrvn | 5rb says firefox doesn't exists |
| 23:42.58 | simonrvn | !ops UNCLETOMM |
| 23:42.59 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: simonrvn complains about: UNCLETOMM |
| 23:43.04 | simonrvn | exist* |
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| 23:43.07 | azeem | simonrvn: eh |
| 23:43.08 | SerajewelKS | simonrvn: he was kicked already |
| 23:43.08 | tomaw | simonrvn: already gone, thanks |
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| 23:43.30 | simonrvn | lagging... sorry |
| 23:43.39 | SerajewelKS | :) |
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| 23:43.44 | simonrvn | and system load.. bad combo :( |
| 23:43.49 | azeem | heh |
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| 23:44.17 | vampirefrog | ok gtg |
| 23:44.18 | vampirefrog | bye |
| 23:44.19 | SerajewelKS | i'm compiling wine from git and running an aptitude install process |
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| 23:44.25 | SerajewelKS | i have two cores but they're both dragging pretty bad |
| 23:44.29 | articpenguin3800 | is there a 1 install cd |
| 23:44.47 | azeem | !netinst |
| 23:44.47 | dpkg | netinst is probably a small CD or set of floppy images which installs Debian using an Internet connection, see http://www.debian.org/CD/netinst/ If you use a dialup connection, ask me about <dialup install>. |
| 23:45.02 | azeem | articpenguin3800: ^^ |
| 23:45.07 | penp | !dialup install |
| 23:45.07 | dpkg | [dialup install] 64kbps are 650MB per day, or ~1.2GB installed size, maybe more than you will ever have installed at once. You will wait few hours for the install to complete, but shuffling those 5290280948 CDs testing has now will probably take even longer, and can't be run unattended. The 1st binary CD is more than you need. See <netinst>. |
| 23:45.33 | articpenguin3800 | @dvd |
| 23:45.34 | ravenbird | i guess dvd is (Digital Versatile/Video Disc) Much like a CD-ROM except that it stores up to 12x as much. DVD is the successor to CD-ROM technology. It's the same size, but holds between 4.7 => 18 GB of data. See http://www.opendvd.org/, or for Linux DVD software see http://www.linuxvideo.org/, or see http://xine.sourceforge.net/, or see mplayer |
| 23:45.35 | articpenguin3800 | !dvd |
| 23:45.36 | dpkg | hmm... dvd is use <xine> (xine-ui for X11 or kaffeine for KDE), <vlc> or <ogle> (or okle for KDE, supposed to be inferior to kaffeine) to play video DVDs, or ask me about <decss>, or ask me about <libdvdcss>, or to burn a DVD check <wodim> or <growisofs>. see <dvd playback troubleshooting> |
| 23:45.39 | spx2 | can I have 2 mains in /etc/apt/sources.list ? |
| 23:45.47 | simonrvn | oh ffs stop that |
| 23:45.58 | simonrvn | @addignore articpenguin3800!*@* |
| 23:45.59 | ravenbird | added articpenguin3800!*@* to ignore list. |
| 23:46.02 | azeem | articpenguin3800: what is our actual question? |
| 23:46.09 | azeem | s/our/your/ |
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| 23:47.12 | spx2 | can I have 2 mains in /etc/apt/sources.list ? |
| 23:47.30 | azeem | spx2: yes |
| 23:47.40 | spx2 | azeem, cool thanks :) |
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| 23:54.06 | TrueDD | Good night all |
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