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| 00:04.21 | Yancho | SerajewelKS thanks alot it worked :) |
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| 00:05.07 | Nazcafan | hi |
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| 00:05.50 | Nazcafan | Can I change the rights of a particular folder in a vfat partition ? |
| 00:06.34 | wols_ | Nazcafan: no |
| 00:06.46 | fiendishfish_ | Whenever i connect to a wireless AP my pc just freezes.. |
| 00:07.03 | fiendishfish_ | I've got the ipw2200 and ieee80211 drivers. |
| 00:07.12 | Nazcafan | wols_: so every file and folder on a vfat partition should get the same writes on a |
| 00:07.18 | Nazcafan | wols_: right ? |
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| 00:08.01 | SerajewelKS | Yancho: np |
| 00:08.09 | wols_ | Nazcafan: yes |
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| 00:08.36 | Nazcafan | wols_: there is some blackmagic in my computer then |
| 00:08.49 | Nazcafan | wols_: because I have some folders that don't have the same rights |
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| 00:10.46 | Nazcafan | wols_: this is strange |
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| 00:12.26 | Nazcafan | mhhh |
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| 00:13.08 | Nazcafan | This does not survive umount + mount |
| 00:13.43 | Nazcafan | so I guess, this comes from the fact I mounted it from console and I received a strange warning about iocharset utf8 being a bad idea ... |
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| 00:15.28 | Nazcafan | and the fact that the two folders that have different permissions have files whose name have some accents |
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| 00:19.04 | techouse | how do i change the text color in xchat? |
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| 00:20.01 | Nazcafan | techouse paramaters -> preferences -> interface colours |
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| 00:20.25 | Nazcafan | (approximative translation from french) |
| 00:20.43 | grazz | Settings, Preferences |
| 00:21.20 | unix_infidel | for wpa encryption, those clients associated to the AP they see nonencrypted packets right? |
| 00:21.26 | techouse | yeah...found it :P |
| 00:21.30 | techouse | stupid me :D |
| 00:23.48 | unix_infidel | anyone? |
| 00:24.52 | Nazcafan | good night everyone |
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| 00:31.56 | atealtha | alsaconf tells me my sound card should work if it's PCI, and it is. But even if I complete the alsaconf process I can't access it in a mixer |
| 00:32.11 | wols_ | atealtha: what card is it? |
| 00:32.20 | atealtha | sound blaster audigy platinum |
| 00:32.26 | atealtha | snd_emu10k1 is loaded |
| 00:33.09 | pickcoder | atealtha: can't access it meaning there are no controls at all? |
| 00:33.32 | wols_ | atealtha: http://alsa-project.org/main/index.php/Matrix:Module-emu10k1 |
| 00:33.42 | atealtha | meaning it's not a listed device in the mixer |
| 00:33.52 | atealtha | wols_: thanks |
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| 00:44.00 | angelsofdust | http://www.cybertown.com/cgi-bin/jail/place?plc=jail&ac=place&ID=0000000000000033&force=s |
| 00:44.03 | angelsofdust | funny chat |
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| 00:54.34 | aarcane | what's the best way to update ALSA in debian etch? should I find a deb mirror with current asla builds against a stock etch install, or just download and manually install the files from alsa-project.org ? |
| 00:54.53 | bkruse | aarcane: I just build-dep alsa, then install from source |
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| 01:04.44 | FiendishFish | Can anyone help me with a wireless issue with debian, whenever i try to connect to an AP with any method, my pc freezes. |
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| 01:05.41 | FiendishFish | :< |
| 01:05.53 | aindilis | well I don't know all that much |
| 01:05.58 | aindilis | are you running a stable driver? |
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| 01:06.05 | FiendishFish | It should be. |
| 01:06.11 | FiendishFish | It's ipw2200 and iee80211 |
| 01:06.22 | aindilis | did the problem just start or has it never been able to connect? |
| 01:06.28 | FiendishFish | I've only just reformatted |
| 01:06.34 | FiendishFish | It usda on slackware |
| 01:07.59 | aindilis | I can't find out what usda is? |
| 01:08.16 | aindilis | what is it? |
| 01:08.21 | FiendishFish | Used to* |
| 01:08.22 | FiendishFish | Sorry |
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| 01:09.00 | aindilis | ha |
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| 01:09.03 | aindilis | srry , ah |
| 01:09.06 | FiendishFish | Any idea? |
| 01:09.28 | aindilis | well at what point does it crash, on what command? |
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| 01:09.36 | cusco | freezes? |
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| 01:09.40 | Azar | hello honorables! |
| 01:09.42 | aindilis | yes, that |
| 01:09.46 | FiendishFish | After i run iwconfig eth1 essid "xbox" it crashes |
| 01:09.56 | FiendishFish | And when i connect to the ap via knetworkmanager or wlassistant |
| 01:10.13 | cusco | FiendishFish: can you still change tty or anything t all? |
| 01:10.17 | FiendishFish | Nope. |
| 01:10.21 | FiendishFish | Not even caps locks works |
| 01:10.27 | cusco | ouch |
| 01:10.40 | cusco | I would sya that is a driver issue |
| 01:10.52 | Azar | is xbox running debian? |
| 01:11.03 | penp | :| |
| 01:11.06 | cusco | perhaps you could try and compile your own ipw driver |
| 01:11.07 | aindilis | can you checkout an svn version of the driver? |
| 01:11.08 | FiendishFish | Azar, xbox is a wireless ap. |
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| 01:11.12 | wols_ | there is a based on debian distro for it but no debian |
| 01:11.16 | cusco | yes a svn ! |
| 01:11.33 | FiendishFish | Is it possible to do a system rollback on nix? |
| 01:11.38 | Azar | wols_: happy holidays, .. I'll be damned! |
| 01:11.50 | aindilis | not really AFAIK |
| 01:11.52 | wols_ | FiendishFish: what is a system rollback exactly? |
| 01:11.57 | FiendishFish | Liek a system restore :P |
| 01:12.09 | wols_ | sure. unix has backup |
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| 01:12.30 | FiendishFish | Or i'll just reformat |
| 01:12.35 | aindilis | no don't do that |
| 01:12.39 | cusco | providing you have installed software that kept backups for you |
| 01:12.46 | aindilis | did you check out the latest source version of the driver and install that? |
| 01:12.47 | FiendishFish | I only just installed debian anyway |
| 01:12.52 | FiendishFish | I was fuckin' with the kernel earlier. |
| 01:12.54 | cusco | or you done them yourselh... else no |
| 01:12.57 | FiendishFish | It might be tht, i dunno. |
| 01:13.15 | FiendishFish | It appears i've compiled and installed it, when it already existed, so maybe it's clashing? |
| 01:13.18 | Azar | at least you got an interesting experience |
| 01:13.18 | cusco | how can you mess about with the kernel? what did you do? |
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| 01:13.31 | FiendishFish | Read above |
| 01:13.33 | cusco | FiendishFish: no |
| 01:13.48 | real0ne | hi all |
| 01:13.57 | real0ne | i have Problem with server x |
| 01:14.05 | aindilis | FiendishFish: you might try to make --uninstall |
| 01:14.11 | aindilis | or something to that effect |
| 01:14.13 | real0ne | i have a new install my debian |
| 01:14.16 | Azar | when I have no clue what I am doing and goes bad >>> I reinstall |
| 01:14.19 | cusco | perhaps teh compiled module did not get load because you had the old one loaded? or could not even install the compiled binarys? |
| 01:14.19 | real0ne | plzhelp me |
| 01:14.27 | real0ne | plz help me |
| 01:14.28 | FiendishFish | cusco, one is loaded. |
| 01:14.30 | FiendishFish | I checked lsmod |
| 01:14.37 | FiendishFish | real0ne, stop begging. |
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| 01:14.47 | cusco | maybe the same old one ... and you did not try the new one yet |
| 01:15.01 | FiendishFish | But it should be fine. |
| 01:15.03 | aindilis | realOne: what is the problem? |
| 01:15.03 | cusco | real0ne: whats wrong |
| 01:15.04 | FiendishFish | The old one should be good |
| 01:15.22 | real0ne | also |
| 01:15.34 | real0ne | when a do startx he give me a message |
| 01:15.36 | Yancho | is there a graphical computer settings management? like windows control panel? all i have is a settings panel for xfce |
| 01:15.37 | real0ne | and say |
| 01:15.44 | Azar | real0ne: take a look at the installation steps: http://www.howtoforge.com/the_perfect_desktop_debian_etch |
| 01:15.48 | real0ne | can't run x server |
| 01:15.55 | real0ne | no |
| 01:15.59 | real0ne | i have all installed |
| 01:16.02 | wols_ | real0ne: pastebin your /var/log/Xorg.0.log |
| 01:16.06 | real0ne | yes |
| 01:16.16 | real0ne | i have remove the live |
| 01:16.19 | real0ne | the line |
| 01:16.25 | FiendishFish | Rofl. |
| 01:16.30 | wols_ | !enter | real0ne |
| 01:16.37 | wols_ | !enter |
| 01:16.37 | dpkg | The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter unecessarily makes it difficult to follow what you are saying. Consider using ',', '. ', ';', '...', '---', or ':' instead. |
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| 01:16.38 | real0ne | i have remove this line in Option "UseFBDev" "true" |
| 01:16.53 | Azar | real0ne: bad move |
| 01:17.00 | real0ne | sorry |
| 01:17.05 | Azar | put it back |
| 01:17.07 | wols_ | real0ne: you still need to give us your Xorg.0.log to look at |
| 01:17.08 | cusco | real0ne: put it back in and change "true" to "false" |
| 01:17.19 | cusco | yes that might not be the reason... |
| 01:17.25 | real0ne | ok |
| 01:17.29 | real0ne | whait ple |
| 01:17.44 | real0ne | plz, i will give u Xorg.0.log |
| 01:17.48 | aindilis | FiendishFish: I wouldn't go about reinstalling, I would try to manually remove the drivers, then install normally. I don't know why you installed the latest one over the existing one. |
| 01:17.55 | Azar | real0ne: using a paster to show us the content of your Xorg is what dpkg say: |
| 01:17.57 | Azar | !paste |
| 01:17.57 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 3 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://channels.debian.net/paste/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. |
| 01:17.58 | FiendishFish | aindilis, I didn't realise one came with it. |
| 01:18.02 | aindilis | ah |
| 01:18.18 | aindilis | that's a good guess then as to what the problem is |
| 01:18.27 | aindilis | did you find a make uninstall option in the driver source? |
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| 01:18.33 | FiendishFish | Shall i try. |
| 01:18.37 | itchi | FiendishFish: If you have a complete back, you can just restore it. That restore system of XP just use a backup system |
| 01:18.59 | itchi | ouch, i was scrolled up :-) |
| 01:19.19 | Azar | real0ne: rule of the thumb: don't remove or try to remove ANY lines on any configuration files, rather use a configuration tool like dpkg-reconfigure ..xxx.xxxxxx.xx < |
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| 01:19.41 | penp | pf |
| 01:19.42 | aindilis | FiendishFish: I don't know. it doesn't seem that there is much risk if you are planning on reinstalling as a last resort. that took care of a segfault problem, uninstalling the nvidia driver |
| 01:19.50 | penp | rule of thumb: edit it until it breaks, then fix it :) |
| 01:19.58 | FiendishFish | aindilis, I'm running make install now xD |
| 01:20.02 | Azar | penp: that's neanderthal |
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| 01:20.12 | aindilis | FiendishFish: make UNINSTALL |
| 01:20.19 | FiendishFish | Yes, that's what i meant. |
| 01:20.20 | FiendishFish | xdD |
| 01:20.21 | penp | Azar: not if you know what you're doing :p |
| 01:20.23 | aindilis | kool |
| 01:20.25 | itchi | FiendishFish: Well, if you compile stuff from source. Use a tool that track down the file it install. Like paco for example |
| 01:20.39 | FiendishFish | I don't understand? |
| 01:20.40 | aindilis | itchi: thank you, I've been wondering how to do that! |
| 01:20.41 | Azar | penp: I could not pretend I am a gentoobie running Debian |
| 01:20.41 | FiendishFish | Are you english? |
| 01:20.41 | itchi | I'm tired it seems |
| 01:20.42 | cusco | I was once told that rule #2 was backing up configuration files before changing them... I never heard what was the #1 rule tho |
| 01:21.23 | penp | cusco: haha |
| 01:21.24 | aindilis | FiendishFish: paco must put the app in some kind of jail and watch what it installs and log. he is saying for future reference. |
| 01:21.30 | itchi | cusco: Messing the files? So you have a backup of these? :-) |
| 01:21.32 | FiendishFish | Ah. |
| 01:21.33 | FiendishFish | Cool. |
| 01:21.39 | cusco | hehe |
| 01:21.54 | Azar | cusco: backing up conf files used to be a stylish move back on potato, woody |
| 01:22.21 | penp | it's still a good thing to do before making changes |
| 01:22.32 | real0ne | how can i know my ip (ipconfig on windows) |
| 01:22.32 | FiendishFish | aindilis, Should make install be sufficient to remove traces? |
| 01:22.39 | Azar | penp: with dpkg-reconfigure no need to clutter space with backups |
| 01:22.39 | FiendishFish | whatismyip.com |
| 01:22.40 | cusco | Azar: don't tell me! I have about 20 .conf.old.date or so in /etc/X11/ |
| 01:22.41 | FiendishFish | >_> |
| 01:22.49 | Azar | haha |
| 01:22.54 | real0ne | no |
| 01:22.55 | cusco | I don't need to do it anymore, dpkg backs tehm up |
| 01:22.56 | Azar | well some people are just sentimental |
| 01:23.04 | real0ne | i want to know networck ip |
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| 01:23.32 | penp | Azar: can dpkg-reconfigure set up xorg with multiple screens? |
| 01:23.39 | wols_ | penp: no |
| 01:23.40 | real0ne | like ipconfig |
| 01:23.46 | Azar | penp: possibly not, I do not run xorg |
| 01:23.55 | cusco | real0ne: ifconfig |
| 01:24.02 | itchi | tomorrow i hopefully plan to migrate my NIS+NFS to another box. Someone tips for this? I plan to use another computer that will serve as server. But i don't have a slave NIS. Can i just copy over the whole / of that old to the new? I guess i will have some troubles with the certs |
| 01:24.10 | penp | Azar: there are places where you can't rely on it to configure everything for you |
| 01:24.22 | real0ne | command not found |
| 01:24.34 | real0ne | cusco comand not found |
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| 01:24.42 | alex_ | how do i uninstall mysql 5 completely |
| 01:24.44 | penp | real0ne: run it as root |
| 01:24.47 | cusco | real0ne: /sbin/ifconfig |
| 01:25.01 | penp | i dont think users can run ifconfig |
| 01:25.04 | Azar | penp: with sophisticated settings, I would guess not |
| 01:25.05 | dondelelcaro | alex_: the client or the server? purge whichever package you don't want. |
| 01:25.06 | alex_ | the "enterprise edition" as sholes in #mysql say installing doesn't work |
| 01:25.08 | itchi | real0ne: ifconfig or add the /sbin to your PATH variable. OR run it as root |
| 01:25.21 | alex_ | eveything |
| 01:25.32 | Azar | honorable itchi, nice seeing you, happy holidays |
| 01:25.34 | alex_ | everything mysql 5.0 off my computer. |
| 01:25.48 | itchi | Azar: Yeah, happy Xmass :-) |
| 01:25.53 | real0ne | i want a ss client on debian |
| 01:25.58 | penp | alex_: apt-get remove --purge mysql-server ? |
| 01:26.00 | Azar | hey, is Debian going "Entreprise" ? |
| 01:26.00 | dondelelcaro | alex_: uh... if you didn't install the Debian packages of mysql, we can't really help you with that. |
| 01:26.18 | penp | lol |
| 01:26.24 | itchi | Azar: Did you saw my tuned Xmass theme? :-p http://dvm.zapto.org:8080/ |
| 01:26.27 | penp | debian 4.0 enterprise edition 2009 |
| 01:26.32 | cusco | real0ne: ssh? |
| 01:26.32 | penp | R2 |
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| 01:26.45 | real0ne | like puty |
| 01:26.47 | alex_ | Package mysql-server is not installed, so not removed |
| 01:26.55 | Chile` | real0ne: you should have one (ssh) |
| 01:26.58 | alex_ | yes, i used debian apt-get install mysql-server |
| 01:27.00 | cusco | real0ne: just: ssh host.com |
| 01:27.01 | penp | alex_: how did you try uninstalling it |
| 01:27.15 | alex_ | dpkg -P mysql-serve |
| 01:27.26 | penp | alex_: if you already uninstalled it, install it again, then remove again using --purge |
| 01:27.31 | Azar | itchi: how cool! nice done! |
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| 01:28.03 | itchi | Azar: Well, it's not me :-) Just took it from the www :-p I have just integrate it to my layout :-) :-) |
| 01:28.06 | penp | unless theres a way to do --purge on already uninstalled pkg |
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| 01:28.10 | penp | that i dont know :) |
| 01:28.16 | aindilis | FiendishFish: I don't think so |
| 01:28.31 | Azar | itchi: it really looks nice |
| 01:29.01 | wols_ | penp: users can run ifconfig just fine, it's not in their path however |
| 01:29.09 | penp | wols_: ah ok |
| 01:29.33 | penp | wols_: nice :) just tried it |
| 01:29.37 | itchi | Azar: http://dvm.zapto.org:8080/~dvanmosselbeen/tmp/christmas.png |
| 01:29.39 | penp | less things to have to do as root the better |
| 01:30.00 | penp | haha |
| 01:30.02 | penp | santa tux :) |
| 01:30.03 | itchi | Azar: Put it on your website before it's to late :-p |
| 01:30.06 | real0ne | plz |
| 01:30.19 | alex_ | bleh the uninstall didn't work |
| 01:30.23 | Azar | haha thank you itchi |
| 01:30.33 | real0ne | can any one tak with me private |
| 01:30.41 | real0ne | Azar |
| 01:30.46 | Azar | real0ne: no private in this channel |
| 01:30.47 | itchi | alex_: Did you install that teh Debian Way(tm)? |
| 01:30.48 | real0ne | or any good one |
| 01:30.59 | alex_ | i issued the command mysql and got : Can't connect to local MySQL server through socket '/var/run/mysqld/mysqld.sock' (2) |
| 01:31.04 | Azar | real0ne: most of people here are good with helping, don't be shy |
| 01:31.08 | alex_ | itchi, apt-get install mysql-server ??? |
| 01:31.13 | itchi | alex_: yes |
| 01:31.17 | real0ne | Azar |
| 01:31.19 | alex_ | yes.. i search debian.org packags |
| 01:31.42 | Azar | real0ne: you have not much of help in telling us what exactly did you installed: Debian... what version? |
| 01:31.48 | itchi | alex_: Well do dpkg -l "*mysql*" and paste that output to a paster |
| 01:31.51 | real0ne | i want to connect with the other pc with putty to copy the file |
| 01:31.57 | real0ne | how can i do that |
| 01:32.01 | Chile` | if you want to copy files, you should be using sftp |
| 01:32.11 | Chile` | sftp username@hostname |
| 01:32.16 | real0ne | i have a smal network and i'm using roteur |
| 01:32.17 | itchi | real0ne: Use scp, or if you're on a diabolic box, use winscp |
| 01:32.24 | Azar | real0ne: maybe someone else like Chile can help: never used putty |
| 01:32.40 | Chile` | afaik putty doesn't do file transfers |
| 01:32.47 | Chile` | I've always used winscp on win |
| 01:32.48 | itchi | winscp rocks |
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| 01:32.52 | penp | aye |
| 01:32.52 | alex_ | itchi, will that get rid of alllll the files that mysql ever put on my computer or just the names of files with *mysql* regex in it? |
| 01:32.57 | penp | putty is just a ssh client |
| 01:33.01 | penp | win scp is a scp client :p |
| 01:33.02 | wols_ | real0ne: install ssh |
| 01:33.03 | itchi | alex_: yup |
| 01:33.10 | real0ne | wols |
| 01:33.14 | alex_ | yup to just regex or everything? |
| 01:33.15 | Azar | :) |
| 01:33.26 | real0ne | i have instaled putty on debian and on windows now |
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| 01:33.33 | wols_ | real0ne: stop misusing the enter key as punctuation! |
| 01:33.36 | real0ne | buti can't log in into debain |
| 01:33.37 | Azar | :D |
| 01:33.42 | real0ne | sorry |
| 01:33.50 | itchi | alex_: Well, it just list what package with the word mysql is installed the debian way |
| 01:34.05 | real0ne | help me plz |
| 01:34.10 | wols_ | real0ne: what happens if you try to connect with putty from windows? |
| 01:34.27 | real0ne | he don't found the other ip |
| 01:34.40 | itchi | real0ne: Have you been a ssh server installed on the other box? |
| 01:34.55 | real0ne | i have installed putty in the other box |
| 01:35.06 | itchi | real0ne: And on the other side? |
| 01:35.17 | real0ne | putty two |
| 01:35.25 | itchi | real0ne: Ah okay |
| 01:35.45 | itchi | real0ne: And who does the black magic to manage the "server" part?? |
| 01:35.56 | alex_ | http://pastebin.com/m13006c12 itchi |
| 01:36.05 | real0ne | i don't have any server, just two pc |
| 01:36.22 | real0ne | one labtop and one desktop |
| 01:36.42 | itchi | real0ne: What os are both running? |
| 01:37.14 | itchi | alex_: All these lines starting with a ii are installed |
| 01:37.21 | itchi | alex_: I mean the packages |
| 01:37.22 | real0ne | desktop windows, labtop debian |
| 01:37.40 | real0ne | desktop windowsXP, labtop debian |
| 01:37.44 | alex_ | itchi, i just did apt-get remove --purge mysql-server |
| 01:37.47 | itchi | real0ne: Install on that debian box openssh-server |
| 01:37.59 | real0ne | i have do it |
| 01:38.03 | wols_ | real0ne: as root: netstat -anp |grep 22 on the debian box. does it say "sshd" at the end? |
| 01:38.10 | itchi | alex_: It's version 5, take a look |
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| 01:38.20 | articpenguin3800 | is debian cutting edge |
| 01:38.28 | alex_ | ok |
| 01:38.34 | cusco | articpenguin3800: no |
| 01:38.42 | catsup | debian is a heavy bludgeon |
| 01:38.55 | alex_ | mysql-server-5 binaries right itchi? |
| 01:38.56 | catsup | more of a defensive weapon, but highly effective |
| 01:38.59 | itchi | real0ne: line 19 seems not to be installed, look on 21 |
| 01:38.59 | real0ne | itchi i have install openssh-client on debian |
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| 01:39.07 | itchi | oeps |
| 01:39.17 | itchi | alex_: line 19 seems not to be installed, look on 21 |
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| 01:39.26 | real0ne | ^^ |
| 01:39.29 | real0ne | itchi i have install openssh-client on debian |
| 01:39.31 | wols_ | real0ne: install "ssh" |
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| 01:40.02 | cusco | or openssh-client |
| 01:40.08 | real0ne | i have do it wols |
| 01:40.58 | real0ne | ok now i will paste my /var/log/Xorg.0.log |
| 01:41.22 | itchi | real0ne: Well, fix your problem step by step |
| 01:41.26 | Chile` | what on earth does the xorg log have to do with any of this? |
| 01:41.48 | itchi | real0ne: Is that ssh thingy fixed now? |
| 01:42.51 | real0ne | yes |
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| 01:43.13 | alex_ | so i typed: apt-get remove --purge mysql-server-5 and it said "ignoring request mysql-server not installed" |
| 01:43.17 | itchi | real0ne: Use maybe winscp if you want to copy, the easy way |
| 01:43.34 | Chile` | alex_: reinstall it. |
| 01:43.42 | articpenguin3800 | is debian unstable cutting edge |
| 01:43.58 | Azar | articpenguin3800: yes for those used to have their fingers cut on it |
| 01:44.00 | aindilis | itchi: there is a winscp replacement |
| 01:44.01 | Chile` | articpenguin3800: not in the way you probably want it to be |
| 01:44.10 | articpenguin3800 | what distro is |
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| 01:44.21 | aindilis | secpanel |
| 01:44.31 | alex_ | apt-get install mysql-server gets the latest stable one which is 5.0 right? |
| 01:44.35 | itchi | aindilis: Well, i used winscp while ago. I dont need it anymore :-) |
| 01:44.36 | alex_ | i tried it already chile |
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| 01:44.39 | Azar | articpenguin3800: there is no official distro release, just the unstable upgrade |
| 01:44.43 | real0ne | itchi what is winscp |
| 01:44.52 | itchi | aindilis: He is on a diabolic box |
| 01:44.54 | penp | alex_: try installing the same package you're trying to remove (mysql-server-5) |
| 01:45.01 | aindilis | ah |
| 01:45.05 | itchi | real0ne: A scp gui replacement for diabolic systems |
| 01:45.16 | Chile` | articpenguin3800: what's your purpose in having a 'cutting-edge' system? |
| 01:45.24 | articpenguin3800 | latest software |
| 01:45.28 | itchi | alex_: Does it not have a .0 ? mysql-server-5.0 |
| 01:45.31 | Chile` | articpenguin3800: which and why? |
| 01:45.38 | pipeline | itchi: winscp works fine in wine |
| 01:45.40 | real0ne | itchi i udse winscp on windows??? |
| 01:45.44 | catsup | sometimes the cutting edge is dull |
| 01:45.50 | Azar | articpenguin3800: on unstable you are on your own fixing bugs, dependencies..etc |
| 01:45.51 | alex_ | not in what i pasted itchi |
| 01:45.52 | catsup | even knicked |
| 01:46.01 | alex_ | the binary file has a 5.0 something something.etch |
| 01:46.06 | Chile` | catsup: or the edge just snaps right off. |
| 01:46.15 | Chile` | which is fine if you know how to regrind it youreslf ;) |
| 01:46.24 | itchi | pipeline: Don't tell me you use that on Debian heh |
| 01:46.25 | catsup | heheh |
| 01:46.40 | alex_ | ok i tried adding a 5.0 at the end |
| 01:46.44 | alex_ | it appears to be working |
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| 01:47.03 | aarcane | how do I find out which package owns a file ? |
| 01:47.07 | itchi | real0ne: If you may need to copy file from your debian <-> windows boxes, winscp is an easy toy |
| 01:47.23 | itchi | aarcane: do /msg dpkg search |
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| 01:47.40 | pipeline | itchi: no, that's what sshfs+fuse are for :P |
| 01:47.46 | pipeline | itchi: also, kde ssh ioslave |
| 01:47.47 | levander | Does TurboCache work under Linux? I'm not seeing any mention of it anywhere. Basically, I'm not doing any gaming, and I'm hoping TurboCache doesn't steal any of my system memory. I'm trying to make sure I can turn TurboCache off in Linux. |
| 01:47.58 | itchi | pipeline: well, just scp works well to :-p |
| 01:48.04 | real0ne | itchi i will install winscp on debian ??? |
| 01:48.10 | itchi | real0ne: no no |
| 01:48.23 | itchi | real0ne: just on you diabolic windows boxes |
| 01:48.30 | pipeline | levander: what the heck is turbocache |
| 01:48.44 | alex_ | bleh it still allows me to issue mysql commands |
| 01:48.59 | pipeline | levander: neverm ind, wikipedia |
| 01:48.59 | itchi | alex_: You still have the client i guess |
| 01:49.15 | itchi | alex_: Pastebin the output again |
| 01:49.25 | alex_ | mysql-client-5 ? |
| 01:49.30 | alex_ | yea it has an ii next to it |
| 01:49.31 | itchi | alex_: Yeah |
| 01:49.44 | real0ne | that is my varlogXorg.0.log |
| 01:49.48 | itchi | alex_: well, take a look to the header |
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| 01:49.50 | real0ne | http://www.mastos1.com/varlogXorg.0.log.txt |
| 01:49.53 | alex_ | use the same dpkg -P mysql-client-5.0? |
| 01:50.02 | levander | pipeline: Yeah, I should have said. TurboCache is a feature on some nvidia graphics cards where using the PCIe bus, you can extend the memory of your graphics cards up to 512MB of RAM. The extension occurs because the TurboCache feature steals some of your main system's RAM. |
| 01:50.11 | articpenguin3800 | !jfs |
| 01:50.12 | dpkg | rumour has it, jfs is Journaled File System from IBM, licensed under the GPL. Check http://oss.software.ibm.com/developerworks/opensource/jfs/ It improved a lot performance-wise since 2003! Give it another try... Maybe worth it! |
| 01:50.13 | itchi | alex_: In the output of dpkg -l "*bla*", you get there usefull info at the top of it |
| 01:50.21 | levander | pipeline: I just finished typing and looked up to see you said nevermind... |
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| 01:50.45 | itchi | !tell articpenguin3800 about selftell |
| 01:50.56 | alex_ | what does half installed mean? |
| 01:51.06 | catsup | not configured |
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| 01:51.13 | itchi | alex_: half uninstalled :-p |
| 01:51.16 | catsup | hehe |
| 01:51.26 | catsup | pessimist |
| 01:51.30 | pipeline | levander: I expect it wouldn't be enabled unless you explicitly configured it to be so |
| 01:51.30 | alex_ | http://pastebin.com/m2877f1b6 |
| 01:51.35 | real0ne | i have paste my Xorg.0.logso tell me plz |
| 01:51.38 | pipeline | levander: That said, sure sounds like a win to me. |
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| 01:51.49 | pipeline | levander: depending on how much is on board in the first place |
| 01:52.01 | levander | pipeline: Someone complains on Newegg reviews that he wasn't able to turn TurboCache off on his Windows XP box. |
| 01:52.10 | itchi | alex_: Take a look to all lines starting with a ii |
| 01:52.28 | itchi | alex_: Do you see that ascii art on top and the comments? |
| 01:52.39 | levander | pipeline: The extra memory is for gaming. It comes with 128MB RAM, I don't need any more than that on a graphics card. I want Linux to use all my system RAM for caching. Like it's supposed to. |
| 01:52.49 | pipeline | levander: I expect that's the default. |
| 01:53.04 | alex_ | yes |
| 01:53.06 | alex_ | i see those |
| 01:53.07 | levander | Me too, but it's weird you can't turn it off under Linux. |
| 01:53.11 | levander | under Windows I meant. |
| 01:53.42 | Azar | ask #windows? |
| 01:53.54 | pipeline | and 128M sounds like 8x what anyone actually needs anyway |
| 01:53.57 | alex_ | pn un ii ? |
| 01:54.21 | articpenguin3800 | how much ram does debian need |
| 01:54.23 | itchi | alex_: Well, take a good look to the header |
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| 01:54.35 | itchi | alex_: I let you discover the black magic :-p |
| 01:54.41 | levander | pipeline: Here, it seems they are having similar problems (kind of) under Linux. |
| 01:54.41 | real0ne | help me plz i have paste my Xorg.0.log und that is the link http://www.mastos1.com/varlogXorg.0.log.txt help plzzzz |
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| 01:54.56 | itchi | articpenguin3800: 24 MB |
| 01:54.58 | alex_ | name version description? |
| 01:55.02 | Azar | articpenguin3800: debian is not ram hungry: your applications are depending what you use |
| 01:55.07 | alex_ | or | Status=Not/Installed/Config-files/Unpacked/Failed-config/Half-installed |
| 01:55.11 | alex_ | or wut ? |
| 01:55.12 | articpenguin3800 | then why does ubuntu meed 320MB |
| 01:55.23 | Azar | articpenguin3800: bloated distro? |
| 01:55.34 | \amethyst | alex_: un means it's not installed, and you've never done anything with it. pn means it's not installed, but at some point you (or apt or aptitude) explicitly said not to install it or to purge it |
| 01:55.37 | pipeline | articpenguin3800: Azar is wrong. The linux kernel will consume as much memory as it can. |
| 01:55.47 | pipeline | articpenguin3800: Your system should always be close to maximum utilization WRT memory. |
| 01:55.51 | itchi | articpenguin3800: Because it use Gnome or KDE or whatver. 24 is the minimal requiremend with Debian, but without that bloated desktop environment |
| 01:56.00 | real0ne | itchi u have forget me |
| 01:56.12 | itchi | real0ne: Yes! and? :-p |
| 01:56.12 | Azar | pipeline: with a 128-256MB ram you are king with Debian |
| 01:56.24 | real0ne | ple help me |
| 01:56.25 | articpenguin3800 | what are you with 1GB XD |
| 01:56.37 | Azar | pipeline: don't forget people usually use a heavy desktop, gaming and other gizmos... |
| 01:56.40 | itchi | Azar: Well i have 2048 MB :-) I'm a super king :-) |
| 01:56.46 | \amethyst | alex_: the second character is the one that indicates the current status--- usually i, n, or c |
| 01:56.48 | real0ne | Azar help me plz |
| 01:56.58 | Azar | itchi: you know what you need |
| 01:57.00 | \amethyst | alex_: c means it has been removed but not purged |
| 01:57.08 | articpenguin3800 | my home server has 4GB so i am ultra king |
| 01:57.20 | Azar | articpenguin3800: hell yes |
| 01:57.33 | articpenguin3800 | running ubuntu server |
| 01:57.34 | epsilon | articpenguin3800: linux will use 'unused' RAM for cache, so you can install as many RAM as you want |
| 01:57.37 | jamesd_ | my new server has 6GB, and my 4 most used home machines have a total of 14GB of ram. |
| 01:57.37 | real0ne | Azar help me with my small Problem o f x server |
| 01:57.40 | alex_ | hrm. i see no c's in the second column |
| 01:57.45 | itchi | real0ne: What's the problem? |
| 01:57.59 | articpenguin3800 | windows doe the same thing use as much ram as possible |
| 01:58.03 | real0ne | so my Problem is with x server |
| 01:58.06 | Chile` | jamesd_: ltns :) |
| 01:58.08 | itchi | real0ne: There seems not to be a big problem, according to the pastebin |
| 01:58.35 | \amethyst | articpenguin3800: the difference is Linux will give it up as soon as something else needs the memory :) |
| 01:58.38 | epsilon | BTW, 1GB DDR2 costs only 15 Euro, so just pump the box with RAM as much as you can |
| 01:58.38 | Azar | articpenguin3800: very few peoplelike me use the minimal Debian install... I only use 2.4GB of my entire 80GB HD, and with 256MB ram I am more than ok |
| 01:58.40 | real0ne | i have powerpc and i have installed debian on it and now when i run debian he give me a message |
| 01:58.49 | real0ne | x server can't run |
| 01:59.04 | real0ne | and that is my http://www.mastos1.com/varlogXorg.0.log.txt |
| 01:59.10 | alex_ | Azar u should run google earth on ur computer |
| 01:59.14 | alex_ | and see how it works kek |
| 01:59.16 | itchi | real0ne: Is there not a part missing of the log? |
| 01:59.28 | articpenguin3800 | whats defualt de in debian |
| 01:59.32 | Azar | alex_: why should I? |
| 01:59.41 | \amethyst | real0ne: there's no error message in there |
| 02:00.02 | real0ne | i have it |
| 02:00.15 | \amethyst | real0ne: it's successful up to the point where it ends, but X hasn't finished starting up yet |
| 02:00.17 | itchi | articpenguin3800: Gnome |
| 02:00.22 | epsilon | BTW, a server running LAMP & Mail server requires only <100MB RAM to run |
| 02:00.39 | real0ne | so i will copy it one more time ???? |
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| 02:00.50 | itchi | My NIS+NFS+courier mailserver have 128 MB |
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| 02:01.00 | articpenguin3800 | gnome=yuck |
| 02:01.05 | itchi | Till some hours, i gona upgrade (change of machine) |
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| 02:01.47 | epsilon | then instal kdm and KDE |
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| 02:01.51 | \amethyst | for values of "default" |
| 02:01.53 | itchi | But no problems at all, apart that the NFS shares of /home are a little bit slow. But that's caused of my huge data |
| 02:01.54 | Azar | articpenguin3800: the advantage of Debian is that it can be run on an older system, with conservative hardware and memory: there is not really need to have the "latest" and "greatest" hardware on it to work |
| 02:02.25 | itchi | articpenguin3800: I still have a P1 with 32 MB. It's still ok with fluxbox |
| 02:02.28 | articpenguin3800 | i might try debian unstable |
| 02:02.31 | Yancho | is there a graphical computer settings management? like windows control panel? all i have is a settings panel for xfce |
| 02:02.41 | articpenguin3800 | fluxbox |
| 02:02.48 | wols_ | articpenguin3800: you really should run unstable |
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| 02:03.07 | epsilon | articpenguin3800: if you are Ubuntu user, you already run debian unstable-unstable |
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| 02:03.17 | itchi | Yancho: There's not one tool to manage all things |
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| 02:03.26 | Azar | yeah, no big difference there, it crashes as well as ubuntu |
| 02:03.35 | articpenguin3800 | what do you mean unstable |
| 02:03.43 | epsilon | that Ubuntu sux |
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| 02:03.50 | Azar | articpenguin3800: Debian Sid = Debian unstable |
| 02:03.50 | wols_ | Azar: unstable is nto about how often it crashes |
| 02:03.58 | wols_ | !unstable |
| 02:03.58 | dpkg | it has been said that unstable is the status of a Debian release when packages can be added to the system at any time that might disrupt the integrity of the whole system! Ask me about <break>. Not supported here, in general. It's also newspeak for not stable. If you have to ask whether you should use it or how, you shouldn't. apt-get install apt-listbugs (!) See <testing>, <sid>, <sid faq>. |
| 02:04.00 | articpenguin3800 | then if ubuntu sucks debian sid sucks |
| 02:04.17 | epsilon | if you are User and not Developer, YES |
| 02:04.29 | Yancho | itchi but something that managed quite alot of things? or which is very important the printers .. i need to install a network printer |
| 02:04.40 | wols_ | articpenguin3800: sid is not a released product, the usual ubuntu version is |
| 02:04.46 | real0ne | http://www.mastos1.com/Xorg.0.log |
| 02:04.50 | Azar | articpenguin3800: not a reason not to try it, and play with it |
| 02:04.56 | real0ne | broder that is http://www.mastos1.com/Xorg.0.log |
| 02:05.21 | itchi | Yancho: Well, these GUI's are much more harder to understand |
| 02:05.33 | articpenguin3800 | how many discs on debian sid 3000 |
| 02:05.36 | itchi | Yancho: And mostly, these GUI's are so limited |
| 02:06.03 | wols_ | articpenguin3800: none. sid is not released on disks |
| 02:06.06 | Azar | articpenguin3800: there is no official release: you install Debian Etch> upgrade to Sid by pointing your sources to "sid" |
| 02:06.17 | alex_ | hrm gui vs command line who wins |
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| 02:06.20 | itchi | articpenguin3800: well +- 8,7 GB / 1.44 MB and there's your answer |
| 02:06.29 | Yancho | itchi but quite helpful for a newbie :) |
| 02:06.30 | Azar | ..and do a dist-upgrade |
| 02:06.37 | real0ne | itchi can u plz see this http://www.mastos1.com/Xorg.0.log |
| 02:06.39 | wols_ | !sidstats |
| 02:06.42 | itchi | Yancho: indeed |
| 02:06.43 | \amethyst | alex_: both wins :) |
| 02:07.02 | Chile` | \amethyst: note the /part :p |
| 02:07.12 | itchi | real0ne: Well, look to the lines starting with (EE) |
| 02:07.15 | \amethyst | well |
| 02:07.16 | epsilon | /part? |
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| 02:07.21 | \amethyst | epsilon: /leave |
| 02:07.23 | Yancho | itchi and i am one :P |
| 02:07.24 | real0ne | yes |
| 02:07.25 | itchi | real0ne: Especially on the bottom of that log |
| 02:07.33 | Azar | real0ne: did you installed the driver for your video? did you reconfigure your xorg? ... if your X does not work I mean |
| 02:07.35 | epsilon | /leave me alone |
| 02:07.48 | itchi | epsilon: Failed: You already where alone |
| 02:08.08 | real0ne | i musst configue xorg |
| 02:08.14 | real0ne | but i don't know how |
| 02:08.18 | real0ne | help me plz |
| 02:08.21 | real0ne | that is http://www.mastos1.com/Xorg.0.log |
| 02:08.26 | wols_ | real0ne: as root, dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg |
| 02:08.29 | Azar | real0ne: I have no idea what you installed man.. |
| 02:08.42 | Yancho | so for printers management u know one itchi please? :) |
| 02:08.59 | itchi | Yancho: Do you use that KDE stuff? |
| 02:09.07 | Yancho | itchi no xfce |
| 02:09.32 | wols_ | !printing | Yancho |
| 02:09.34 | itchi | Yancho: Well, install cups and look to the docs. There is a web interface to configure the stuff |
| 02:09.37 | wols_ | !printing |
| 02:09.37 | dpkg | well, printer is a device that allows you to put things from your computer onto paper, envelopes, or whatever. don't forget to check http://www.linuxprinting.org, or a hardcopy output device. easy to set up using foomatic-gui or printconf, or see <cups> |
| 02:09.57 | Yancho | thanks both :) |
| 02:10.06 | itchi | Yancho: Try /msg dpkg cups now |
| 02:10.14 | real0ne | wols |
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| 02:11.51 | articpenguin3800 | whats default file system |
| 02:12.01 | dacs | is there is free audioable ebook for ipod |
| 02:12.02 | itchi | articpenguin3800: ext3 probably |
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| 02:12.14 | articpenguin3800 | is reiser4 in it i hope |
| 02:13.10 | itchi | articpenguin3800: Why do you want that? |
| 02:13.13 | Chile` | why do you want reiser? |
| 02:13.25 | real0ne | i can't |
| 02:13.33 | penp | reiserfs is available |
| 02:13.35 | real0ne | i have configure xorg |
| 02:13.37 | itchi | real0ne: be.much.clear |
| 02:13.38 | penp | on installation |
| 02:13.52 | real0ne | what is that itchi |
| 02:14.12 | penp | but why you would want to use it instead of ext3 is beyond me |
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| 02:14.21 | penp | !reiser |
| 02:14.21 | dpkg | somebody said reiserfs was a journaling filesystem with pretty good performance and some interesting features. See http://www.namesys.com. It is wonderful and everyone loves it, until the axe falls and they lose data due to a crash. As such, it has a lot of ex-fans who are now sadder but wiser. See <ext3>, <xfs>, or <jfs> for safer filesystems. Like the DHARMA Initiative: government-sponsored, highly scientific and secretive. <ext3 vs reiserfs> |
| 02:14.23 | itchi | real0ne: Be much more clear, you will get better respond of people here. It's a bit to cryptic now |
| 02:14.43 | real0ne | ok |
| 02:14.49 | penp | !ext3 vs reiserfs |
| 02:14.49 | dpkg | it has been said that ext3 vs reiserfs is http://www.gurulabs.com/goodies/ext3_vs_reiserfs-1.php |
| 02:15.03 | penp | !thanks |
| 02:15.03 | dpkg | no worries, penp |
| 02:15.06 | penp | lol |
| 02:15.16 | articpenguin3800 | reiser4 is freakin fast |
| 02:15.27 | Chile` | articpenguin3800: in benchmarks. in practice, the difference isn't much |
| 02:15.32 | real0ne | i have say tha i have install a new time debian, and when i started it for the the first time he say me " x server can't run" |
| 02:15.55 | Chile` | articpenguin3800: unless you plan to run a heavy database load. but bottom line is, disk access is slow, and ext3 isn't much slower |
| 02:16.11 | articpenguin3800 | my home server uses reiser4 |
| 02:16.20 | Chile` | good for it |
| 02:16.30 | real0ne | and now i don't see any thing ther isn't any gradick interface plz help me |
| 02:16.55 | articpenguin3800 | then JFS and XFS are the fasta ones |
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| 02:17.16 | Chile` | I haven't used either, but they're probably pretty fast. |
| 02:17.16 | jamesd_ | reiserfs is a fast way to loose data.. i agree.. |
| 02:17.20 | TurboBee2 | how do i use svn to get the head revision |
| 02:17.36 | itchi | TurboBee2: HEAD |
| 02:17.46 | Chile` | also, openafs doesn't work with Reiser |
| 02:18.08 | Chile` | which is a pita if/when you need it |
| 02:18.47 | real0ne | when i give startx, he anwser with fatel IO eror 104 (connection reset by peer ) on X server ":.0.0" |
| 02:19.06 | TurboBee2 | itchi, can you give me an example of how to use HEAD with svn? |
| 02:19.15 | articpenguin3800 | using reiser4 without journaling is even more freakin fast |
| 02:19.21 | real0ne | help me plzzz |
| 02:19.23 | itchi | TurboBee2: Well, -r HEAD |
| 02:19.32 | TurboBee2 | oh |
| 02:19.37 | real0ne | itchi plz help me |
| 02:20.11 | itchi | real0ne: I don't know the fix. Maybe reconfigure X with dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg and choice another mouse |
| 02:20.24 | real0ne | i have do ittt |
| 02:20.25 | TurboBee2 | itchi, how will I know if it is the head revision? it just says the same revision |
| 02:20.43 | itchi | TurboBee2: Take a look in the log |
| 02:20.53 | itchi | TurboBee2: Did you update the local sources? |
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| 02:21.14 | TurboBee2 | I just deleted them and started over with svn -r HEAD |
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| 02:22.21 | itchi | TurboBee2: Look in the log with svn log |
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| 02:22.28 | TurboBee2 | ok |
| 02:22.40 | real0ne | can any other one help me |
| 02:22.57 | itchi | real0ne: Which mouse did you choice now? |
| 02:23.03 | Yancho | itchi am finding it hard to install the network printer :( its an HP Printer connected with a Windows XP at 10.0.0.1 |
| 02:23.20 | itchi | Yancho: The printer is on XP? |
| 02:23.26 | Yancho | yes |
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| 02:23.44 | itchi | Yancho: Share it and use "samba" to connect to it |
| 02:23.45 | real0ne | and /dev/psaux |
| 02:24.03 | Yancho | it is shared itchi .. infact ubuntu saw it quite fastly / easily |
| 02:24.16 | Yancho | so i forget about cups? |
| 02:24.52 | itchi | Yancho: Not realy, but don't trust me. I don't have experiences with a shared printer from Windows to *nix |
| 02:25.57 | real0ne | wich mause i must use |
| 02:26.11 | real0ne | itchi d u know that i have powerpc????? |
| 02:26.46 | itchi | real0ne: Yes, but i don't know about ppc too :-§ |
| 02:27.03 | real0ne | but u know abaut xserver |
| 02:27.09 | real0ne | so try to help me plz |
| 02:27.16 | itchi | real0ne: I should say, try to select another mouse in that dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg |
| 02:27.32 | real0ne | i have select all mouse |
| 02:27.41 | real0ne | and don't worck |
| 02:27.53 | itchi | real0ne: And all give exact the same error? Be sure about the exact error |
| 02:28.01 | real0ne | no |
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| 02:28.21 | real0ne | one give a changed errore |
| 02:28.24 | itchi | real0ne: Well, try again and each time look to the error. Because i guess that you may have another little problem |
| 02:28.59 | real0ne | is that Problem |
| 02:29.09 | real0ne | not from resolution or colors |
| 02:29.11 | real0ne | ???? |
| 02:29.54 | itchi | real0ne: Well, pastebin the error |
| 02:30.07 | Yancho | itchi so besides cups there is no printers control panel like in ubuntu right? |
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| 02:31.15 | dacs | Hi, penp |
| 02:31.35 | real0ne | ohh |
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| 02:31.41 | real0ne | very difucullt problem |
| 02:31.44 | real0ne | ok |
| 02:31.47 | real0ne | thakns to all |
| 02:32.00 | real0ne | i will serach a better one to help me |
| 02:32.04 | itchi | Yancho: Well, ubuntu probably use that Gnome tool or that one of KDE (kcontrol) |
| 02:32.10 | real0ne | or i will do it alone |
| 02:32.10 | itchi | Yancho: Which tool to these use |
| 02:32.23 | itchi | real0ne: No problem with it :-) |
| 02:32.33 | itchi | real0ne: Well, is the beer empty? |
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| 02:33.00 | real0ne | no |
| 02:33.03 | real0ne | but |
| 02:33.08 | real0ne | any one want to helpme |
| 02:33.12 | Yancho | ow ic itchi :) ill try to find onw of xfce then |
| 02:33.18 | real0ne | o hve tired |
| 02:33.23 | real0ne | with this channel |
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| 02:33.46 | itchi | real0ne: You are a weird thing :-p |
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| 02:34.12 | itchi | real0ne: We still miss your paste ;-) |
| 02:34.16 | real0ne | itchi |
| 02:34.22 | real0ne | your are nothing |
| 02:34.33 | itchi | real0ne: I know :-) |
| 02:34.37 | real0ne | :P |
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| 02:35.17 | acc_ | #Debian: After backing up /etc, /var, and /home, will dumping a package list with dpkg-query -W -f '${Package}\n' be sufficient to feed to aptitude if I wipe the HDD and re-install? |
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| 02:35.46 | wols_ | !reinstall |
| 02:35.46 | dpkg | from memory, reinstall is aptitude reinstall '~i' ; or COLUMNS=200 dpkg -l | awk '/^[hi]i/{print $2}' | xargs apt-get -y --reinstall install, or dpkg --get-selections > my_packages.txt , then later, dpkg --set-selections < my_packages.txt && apt-get install |
| 02:35.58 | itchi | wols_: Bah, you are to fast! |
| 02:36.09 | acc_ | wols_: Thanks. |
| 02:36.31 | itchi | wols_: 32MB is enought for you :-p |
| 02:36.57 | acc_ | wols_: Shouldn't I be using aptitude rather than apt-get? |
| 02:37.24 | itchi | acc_: See /msg dpkg why aptitude |
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| 02:51.39 | DeathWolf | is iconv in the libc package...? |
| 02:52.53 | DeathWolf | I need to integrate one of my own patches for it... And I'm not finding any iconv package... |
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| 02:54.43 | Ziimp | naaaacht :P |
| 02:57.44 | \amethyst | DeathWolf: you are correct, it is in libc6 (source package glibc) |
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| 02:59.01 | articpenguin3800 | does debian have Proprietary software |
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| 02:59.32 | itchi | articpenguin3800: no |
| 02:59.32 | DeathWolf | \amethyst: yeah, am trying to figure where it is hiding in libc6 though... |
| 02:59.44 | DeathWolf | I apt-get source'd it... And I cant find the iconv part in it |
| 02:59.46 | Yancho | thanks itchi it worked :) had to do smb:// not socket:// |
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| 03:00.35 | \amethyst | DeathWolf: it's in the glibc-2.7 tar, directory iconv/ |
| 03:00.46 | itchi | articpenguin3800: It doesn't have. Some repo's provide some proprietary stuff like the debian-multimedia |
| 03:00.56 | DeathWolf | oh wait, right |
| 03:00.58 | \amethyst | DeathWolf: do ./debian/rules unpack to extract them |
| 03:01.00 | itchi | Yancho: no problem. You are welcome ;-) |
| 03:01.02 | DeathWolf | yeah |
| 03:01.05 | DeathWolf | it did not unpack |
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| 03:01.08 | DeathWolf | First time I see that. |
| 03:01.15 | debianforlife | how can i combind files, here is a rather simple example: file a has "123" and file b has "234" . how can i combind these to get a file c with "1234"? |
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| 03:01.34 | DeathWolf | \amethyst: if I modify files from the unpack and then debbuild, it wont reunpack, will it? |
| 03:02.10 | \amethyst | DeathWolf: I don't *think* so, but make a diff just in case :) |
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| 03:02.32 | DeathWolf | hehe, the diff is already made:) |
| 03:02.38 | DeathWolf | I wonder how long debbuild on the libc will take |
| 03:02.43 | DeathWolf | it's already so horribly long otherwise.... |
| 03:02.54 | \amethyst | debianforlife: what should happen when you combine "12321" and "3121" ? |
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| 03:03.31 | debianforlife | \amethyst: no repeats is what i am looking for, so not 122334 |
| 03:03.43 | \amethyst | debianforlife: you want to get 123 then? |
| 03:03.52 | debianforlife | 1234 |
| 03:04.21 | debianforlife | i would have 1 \n 2 \n 3 etc |
| 03:04.27 | debianforlife | different lines |
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| 03:04.45 | \amethyst | debianforlife: sourt -u file1 file2 |
| 03:04.52 | \amethyst | debianforlife: sort -u that is |
| 03:05.15 | debianforlife | cool, thanks |
| 03:05.35 | \amethyst | it's O(n log n) complexity of course |
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| 03:06.52 | \amethyst | debianforlife: if they're already sorted you can use sort -mu file1 file2 which has O(n) complexity |
| 03:07.39 | pipeline | when was the last time you had to worry about how quickly something sorted, \amethyst |
| 03:08.09 | DeathWolf | On a side note, is there any way to make debbuild faster and/or use multi core? |
| 03:08.25 | debianforlife | \amethyst ok, that works, and man sort got me the rest of what i needed |
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| 03:08.39 | meforyou | how do i stop cupsd from starting at boot? |
| 03:08.42 | \amethyst | pipeline: a few months ago, last time I dealt with a 100 million row database :) |
| 03:08.53 | \amethyst | s/database/table in a &/ |
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| 03:09.46 | debianforlife | thats one hell of a database |
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| 03:10.25 | MikeLowrey_14046 | i have a big problem. here is a screen, someone can help me? its realy only a screen http://www.pennergame.de/ref.php?refid=9250149 |
| 03:10.27 | pipeline | \amethyst: if your database is implemented in sh(1), you're way beyond my help :) |
| 03:10.43 | \amethyst | debianforlife: bioinformatics :) |
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| 03:11.10 | \amethyst | though the biggest database I've maintained was financial market data |
| 03:11.20 | pipeline | MikeLowrey_14046: all I see is a photo of a piece of cardboard |
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| 03:12.59 | Gorbulas | hello |
| 03:14.32 | aarcane | help, X keeps hitting 100% CPU usage!! |
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| 03:17.22 | blairsooley | is ftp.debian.org down? |
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| 03:17.32 | xuser_ | looks like it. |
| 03:18.15 | cizzi | I'm trying to find out information on security issues.. mainly if its possible for a LAN which has linux and windows computers on it, if a user has ssh access to linux systems if he's able to gain access to the windwos filesystem? |
| 03:18.45 | Gorbulas | if it is shared on the LAN |
| 03:19.01 | cizzi | if its in the same workgroup? |
| 03:19.15 | Gorbulas | workgroup shouldn't matter |
| 03:19.28 | cizzi | if the folders in windows are shared then? |
| 03:19.34 | Gorbulas | yes |
| 03:19.44 | cizzi | then a linux computer can access it? |
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| 03:19.56 | cizzi | by means of mounting it? |
| 03:19.57 | Gorbulas | with Samba |
| 03:20.20 | \amethyst | mounting it or using smbclient (which doesn't require root) |
| 03:20.29 | cizzi | ahh |
| 03:20.42 | cizzi | so disabling smbclient on the linux host would be an option |
| 03:20.49 | Gorbulas | you can use iptables to block the Linux computer from accessing the Windows computer |
| 03:20.49 | \amethyst | err |
| 03:20.51 | valdyn | cizzi: no |
| 03:20.57 | \amethyst | cizzi: do the shares have passwords? |
| 03:20.57 | Gorbulas | I could scp my own smbclient over |
| 03:21.04 | cizzi | allright |
| 03:21.06 | cizzi | iptables then |
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| 03:21.19 | Gorbulas | as long as the ssh user is not root |
| 03:21.24 | cizzi | correct |
| 03:21.42 | cizzi | so i can configure iptables not be able to "see" any of the windows computers? |
| 03:22.00 | Chile` | cizzi: you're really going about this wrong |
| 03:22.08 | Chile` | cizzi: you should be limiting access from the windows computer |
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| 03:22.15 | \amethyst | yes... it sounds like what you want, though, is to put the windows computers on a VPN |
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| 03:22.23 | \amethyst | or to actually configure them securely |
| 03:22.30 | cizzi | Allright. |
| 03:22.34 | Gorbulas | you can make the windows computers inaccessible, or block all outgoing smb connections |
| 03:22.37 | cizzi | where would I begin to read about this? |
| 03:22.44 | cizzi | security issues in isolating computers |
| 03:23.15 | ricosecada | Is there a way to use apt or aptitude to make sure that a re-installation of a package gets all its configuration files reinstalled? Or is it necessary to make sure that the files are deleted manually? |
| 03:23.31 | cizzi | ricosecada - apt-get remove package |
| 03:23.35 | cizzi | and apt-get install package |
| 03:23.36 | cizzi | works for me |
| 03:23.50 | ricosecada | sometimes the conf files are still there.. |
| 03:23.54 | cizzi | true |
| 03:24.19 | cizzi | but when you re-install it should over-write |
| 03:24.21 | cizzi | the old ones |
| 03:24.29 | \amethyst | cizzi: wikipedia has an article on VPNs, with some references and external links that might be helpful |
| 03:24.44 | cizzi | \amethyst - Wiki is my friend :) |
| 03:24.49 | cizzi | thanks |
| 03:25.09 | k31th | Morning |
| 03:25.09 | jack|Helium | I have an interesting problem that I'm hoping someone can help me fix |
| 03:25.13 | ricosecada | cizzi, no it just checks to see if the conf file is more recent, only then does it get overwritten, and it ask you first |
| 03:25.29 | jack|Helium | I have a custom kernel that is called linux-2.6.22-custom1 in synaptic |
| 03:25.29 | cizzi | ricosecada - I don't know then. |
| 03:25.36 | ricosecada | cizzi, np |
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| 03:26.18 | Chile` | ricosecada: i think dpkg w/ --purge would axe the custom config files too, but don't quote me on that |
| 03:26.25 | jack|Helium | I just built and installed the madwifi drivers, but it is a broken package because it depends on linux-image-2.6.22-custom1 |
| 03:26.44 | ricosecada | Chile, I'll take a look at the doc |
| 03:26.53 | jack|Helium | how do I rename linux-2.6.22-custom1 to linux-image-... or change the deps for madwifi? |
| 03:27.04 | jack|Helium | Does anyone know |
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| 03:30.18 | \amethyst | jack|Helium: what is linux-2.6.22-custom1 ? |
| 03:30.57 | jack|Helium | \amethyst: a custom kernel I compiled |
| 03:31.11 | \amethyst | jack|Helium: with make-kpkg? |
| 03:31.19 | jack|Helium | \amethyst: yup |
| 03:31.36 | \amethyst | jack|Helium: odd, it should have included linux-image- in the name |
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| 03:32.21 | jack|Helium | \amethyst: is there any way to fix it? |
| 03:32.43 | \amethyst | jack|Helium: how did you run make-kpkg ? any options? |
| 03:33.00 | jack|Helium | not sure... |
| 03:33.12 | mo1991 | I am using debian lenny amd64 version. X seems to crash fairly often - every few days - and requires a reboot to fix it. Can anyone tell me what log I should be looking at to resolve this problem? I'm not sure if this is just a lenny being unstable thing or what. |
| 03:33.16 | jack|Helium | I dont think anything to modify the name |
| 03:33.50 | \amethyst | jack|Helium: and you did make-kpkg kernel_image and that created a linux-2.6.22-custom1 .deb ? |
| 03:34.12 | jack|Helium | hold on |
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| 03:35.13 | mo1991 | should I be asking the above question on amd64 channel - or can someone point me to the right place. Other than X crashing lenny 64 seems to be much better than etch 64 for support |
| 03:36.00 | \amethyst | mo1991: maybe /var/log/Xorg.0.log |
| 03:36.31 | \amethyst | mo1991: also, when it crashes can you ssh/etc in and run X again, and does that fix it? |
| 03:36.49 | mo1991 | this log doesn't show anything strange in it. |
| 03:37.01 | \amethyst | mo1991: (also, what video drivers are you using?) |
| 03:37.14 | mo1991 | when the crash occurs x freezes. I can control alt backspace to end X |
| 03:37.21 | jack|Helium | \amethyst: I think I used this: |
| 03:37.24 | jack|Helium | fakeroot make deb-pkg |
| 03:37.33 | mo1991 | but it gives me some weird error that GDM has crashed |
| 03:37.40 | jack|Helium | after a kpkg clean |
| 03:37.56 | jack|Helium | I guess thats it... |
| 03:38.08 | \amethyst | jack|Helium: make deb-pkg ? not familiar with that |
| 03:38.19 | mo1991 | I am using the standard NV driver for X. This is what was selected uring install . Normally, I use the nvidia driver but this does not seem to be included in lenny yet |
| 03:38.21 | jack|Helium | thats what the guide I used said |
| 03:38.23 | jack|Helium | I guess I |
| 03:38.36 | jack|Helium | *I guess I'll just recompile with make-kpkg |
| 03:38.45 | mo1991 | \amethyst - above |
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| 03:39.53 | \amethyst | mo1991: hm... it's be hella slow but you could try the vesa drivers |
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| 03:40.11 | \amethyst | mo1991: if the crashes stop, it's probably the nv driver |
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| 03:40.22 | \amethyst | s/it's/it'd/ |
| 03:42.51 | \amethyst | mo1991: do any programs in particular seem to trigger it? |
| 03:42.51 | mo1991 | \amethyst |
| 03:43.04 | mo1991 | I will try a different driver after next crash |
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| 03:43.12 | mo1991 | no program seems to cause it |
| 03:43.19 | \amethyst | mo1991: also, try looking in Xorg.0.log.old |
| 03:44.23 | mo1991 | just seems to crash every so often and |
| 03:44.40 | mo1991 | nothing really in xorg old either - at least not the gdm message |
| 03:44.53 | mo1991 | perhaps it's a gdm error, but driver seems more likely |
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| 03:45.20 | techqbert | is it okay to torrent a file to an nfs share? nfs share is openfiler distro with raid 1 array in ext3 |
| 03:45.21 | \amethyst | mo1991: the gdm message might be because X won't restart |
| 03:45.25 | mo1991 | just wanted to see if there are any other error reports. Googling shows most people using nvidia driver from nvidia script |
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| 03:46.11 | mo1991 | i'll try vesa or the nvidia script install next crash, although I don't like using non .deb packages to install stuff. Other than that,, lenny's support for flash, etc. seems to be much betteer |
| 03:46.15 | \amethyst | mo1991: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/pkgreport.cgi?pkg=xserver-xorg-video-nv;dist=unstable |
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| 03:46.45 | ameyer | techqbert: bittorrent is i/o intensive, and nfs tends to be slow, so expect slowness and possibly high load |
| 03:46.46 | mo1991 | youtube works with 64 bit iceweasel rather well, don't need the 32 chroot anymore as it's packaged somehow with ndiswrapper 32 flash |
| 03:46.46 | \amethyst | mo1991: you might look at some of those |
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| 03:47.28 | techqbert | ameyer: thanks because deluge is acting strangely |
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| 03:48.20 | ameyer | and also possible nfs mount explosion |
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| 03:49.49 | matt_ | i am using ubuntu gutsy right now, however i'm considering teh debian, just wondering what it has to "offer" |
| 03:50.32 | Penix | so, you want us to list every small difference between the two? |
| 03:51.32 | matt_ | Penix: no, mainly i was wondering the following: is there much difference in the repos? what about performance between the two? but besides those two questions, is there anything "big" that is different that may interest me? |
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| 03:52.19 | mo1991 | Anyway, I'll try changing driver. Lenny AMD 64 other than that rocks. Non free java and flash seem to work great. Needed some tweaks for java to work and flash but other than that lookin much better than etch for amd64 |
| 03:52.38 | Gorbulas | it might be harder to find people with the same problems on Debian |
| 03:52.49 | Penix | matt_: to oversimplify things a lot; ubuntu is for people who want all the latest flashy gnome stuff |
| 03:53.00 | Penix | matt_: if you're happy with ubuntu, then keep using it |
| 03:53.24 | matt_ | Penix: well...i don't use all the 3d graphics stuff...i'm more for usability and such. |
| 03:53.31 | mo1991 | IT seems to me that ubuntu is more packaged than debian, I was going to try it but was not sure to get server or desktop |
| 03:53.37 | Penix | I'm not talking about that |
| 03:53.39 | ameyer | isn't etch the first "official" amd64 debian release? |
| 03:53.52 | ameyer | a lack of polish might be somewhat expected |
| 03:53.53 | matt_ | Penix: so what do you mean? latest versions of gnome? |
| 03:53.53 | mo1991 | I like how debian installer asks to install desktop and all servers. |
| 03:54.00 | Penix | mo1991: "more packaged"? what the hell are you talking about? |
| 03:54.22 | matt_ | Penix: i think he means that there are mini distros? |
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| 03:54.57 | mo1991 | meaning that debian installer gives you the options of installing desktop, mail server, samba server, etc from install. Ubuntu didn't seem to have those options. |
| 03:55.28 | mo1991 | I do a net install with debian and like that it has the various install options. May be ubuntu has this too. Please let me know cause I didn't know what to download install disc wise |
| 03:55.30 | Penix | probably because plain ubuntu isn't for servers |
| 03:55.33 | matt_ | Penix: so it is "less polished"...that sounds good...i think. doesn't that mean better performance? |
| 03:55.50 | Penix | matt_: no and no |
| 03:56.26 | Penix | matt_: do you ever feel the need to just install a regular, non-X11 Linux system without downloading a whole ~700mb CD? |
| 03:56.36 | Penix | matt_: if so, debian might suit you |
| 03:56.46 | Penix | as you can see, I'm straining my brain here |
| 03:56.54 | Penix | since it's a vague question you asked |
| 03:56.56 | mo1991 | Penis, I have not used ubuntu, wouldn't mind trrying it. What install is similar to a debian net install that allows for flexibility for installing various servers, etc in addition to my gnome desktop |
| 03:56.58 | matt_ | Penix: you mean, installing a base system without all the added stuff you don't need |
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| 03:57.18 | JordiGH | ekiga vs wengophone: who would win a knife fight on the moon? |
| 03:57.20 | comex | <mo1991> Penis, |
| 03:57.32 | comex | the rest is superfluous |
| 03:57.32 | Penix | comex: yeah, coz that's never happened before |
| 03:57.51 | mo1991 | comex ??? |
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| 03:58.03 | Penix | mo1991: it's called 'Debian GNU/Linux' |
| 03:58.43 | Penix | matt_: ubuntu's derived from debian. they pull most of their core stuff from debian. they focus on ease of use for 'humans' and all that |
| 03:59.08 | Penix | matt_: they modify a lot of applications and desktop components as well as include/exclude things debian doesn't |
| 03:59.22 | mo1991 | penis, OK, I don't know what you are talking about. I've used debian for years and just wanted to see what ubuntu hass to offer over debian. I can't see myself switching just wanted to hear what an ubuntu user has to say |
| 03:59.24 | JordiGH | They also have this annoying script that tells you to install stuff if you type the name of a binary that exists in a package somewhere. |
| 03:59.37 | Penix | mo1991: try using your frigging tab key |
| 03:59.49 | matt_ | Penix: perhaps i'm no human.......but really..you're just saying i should stick with ubuntu because i'll have no added benifit? |
| 03:59.53 | IndyGunFreak | lol |
| 04:00.14 | Penix | matt_: I'm saying, if it ain't broke, don't fix it |
| 04:00.17 | JordiGH | mol991: Debian is very cozy for me. I've been checking out Ubuntu and while it's ok, I still feel more at home with the Debian community and with the less cluttered distro. Ubuntu has all these cutesy things I don't really need. |
| 04:00.25 | matt_ | mo1991: well...i like it...first distro i've used....just wondering what others are like |
| 04:00.46 | matt_ | IndyGunFreak: getting nowhere |
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| 04:01.04 | Penix | matt_: if you've got a spare box, try debian out, but don't replace ubuntu, expecting everything to be sweet |
| 04:01.21 | matt_ | JordiGH: so doesn't that make debian a little "faster", less clutter? |
| 04:01.22 | JordiGH | Debian feels more developer-friendly to me. |
| 04:01.32 | Ronin | matt_: could always dual boot and decide |
| 04:01.34 | JordiGH | matt_: Not really. Not faster. Just less distracting. :-) |
| 04:01.39 | matt_ | Penix: well...i don't... |
| 04:01.51 | mo1991 | matt - what I like about debian is that it (to me) doesn't install a bunch of stuff you don't need and is very stable. If you install desktop it gives you a very usable desktop, you can add to it servers, programs, etc, |
| 04:01.54 | matt_ | JordiGH: distracting how? like no more apps you'll never use? |
| 04:01.57 | JordiGH | matt_: Also, Debian is freer than thou. |
| 04:01.58 | Penix | matt_: 'Debian' isn't faster than 'Ubuntu. it's up to the kernel, the X11 server, the applications etc. |
| 04:02.07 | pipeline | Penix: there was a P/OS you know. Also, VENIX. |
| 04:02.09 | Penix | vice versa too |
| 04:02.19 | Penix | pipeline: and an actual 'Penix' |
| 04:02.20 | matt_ | mo1991: ok...so is it possibly more stable that ubuntu? |
| 04:02.20 | JordiGH | matt_: Like the script I mentioned above in Ubuntu that tells you what package to install if you type the name of a binary that exists in a package somewhere. That kind of thing. |
| 04:02.22 | Penix | don't try to school the principal |
| 04:03.03 | Penix | matt_: yeah, JordiGH's example is a small, but good one |
| 04:03.07 | JordiGH | matt_: Debian officially supports every package it distributes (except perhaps on the non-free packages, depending on whom you ask). Ubuntu only officially supports about 10% of the packages it distributes. |
| 04:03.08 | pipeline | Penix: uh, what the hell is penix ? |
| 04:03.15 | mo1991 | matt - I believe that debian stable (etch) is more stable than the newer ubuntu releases. They are ususally older apps but more tested and very stable in general |
| 04:03.23 | matt_ | Penix: well...what i mean by faster means using less resources, which is exactly what you mean as well. I was just wondering whether debian starts less bloat, which it sounds like it does, but i also realize my questions are very vague and pointless |
| 04:03.36 | Penix | now you're getting in to dangerous waters |
| 04:03.39 | pipeline | Penix: the only hit on google is for some toy OS |
| 04:03.40 | Penix | the bloat word has come out |
| 04:03.49 | pipeline | Penix: P/OS and VENIX were real operating systems :P |
| 04:04.06 | JordiGH | Oh, and yes. etch is stable. Damn straight it's stable. Old, but stable and usable. Ubuntu has crashed on me, but Debian stable never has. |
| 04:04.19 | Penix | matt_: really, the best way to compare the two is to try both for yourself |
| 04:04.22 | matt_ | mo1991: so like...what version of firefox you all on? |
| 04:04.31 | Penix | matt_: we don't have official firefox builds |
| 04:04.33 | JordiGH | matt_: We... don't have Firefox. It's complicated. |
| 04:04.46 | matt_ | Penix: well...i hate dual booting...so i'll replace ubuntu if i do. |
| 04:04.51 | matt_ | JordiGH: alright |
| 04:04.54 | JordiGH | matt_: Debian is freer-than-thou. Freer than Firefox. |
| 04:05.09 | JordiGH | matt_: We just had to rebrand Firefox. It's the same program, just with a different name. |
| 04:05.18 | mo1991 | matt - iceweasel is the debian firefox. It is the same pretty much, just doesn't use the firefox name due to GNU - I believe it is faster |
| 04:05.19 | matt_ | JordiGH: so what is the freeist browser that you use? |
| 04:05.25 | Penix | due to GNU? what? |
| 04:05.26 | JordiGH | Iceweasel. |
| 04:05.37 | Penix | it's due to the mozilla foundation |
| 04:05.42 | matt_ | alright...heard of that... |
| 04:05.43 | Penix | or project, or whatever |
| 04:05.44 | mo1991 | penis, your right |
| 04:06.04 | mo1991 | my bad - I knew firefox didn't like debian using it's logos or something |
| 04:06.06 | JordiGH | Yeah, GNU also rebranded Firefox in a different way and for different reasons. |
| 04:06.12 | Penix | it's not just debian |
| 04:06.24 | JordiGH | Confusingly enough, they chose the same rebranding as Debian, but I think they're gonna change its name again. |
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| 04:08.24 | matt_ | Penix: so the "net install", does that work very well? |
| 04:08.24 | \amethyst | Due to Matt Groening :) |
| 04:08.45 | JordiGH | I ask again: any thoughts on comparing wengophone and ekiga? I've been chatting with my girlfriend over wengophone, and it's worked ok. |
| 04:09.01 | Penix | matt_: think of it like this; either download a huge CD image and only install a quarter of it, or just download a small image and install what you need from the net |
| 04:09.08 | xuser_ | i use xlite |
| 04:09.09 | JordiGH | I'm curious now about ekiga, and I don't want to ask her to install it. There's only so much open source nuttiness she'll tolerate. |
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| 04:09.35 | JordiGH | xuser_: And how is xlite? |
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| 04:10.02 | matt_ | Penix: sounds good...i'll try that now. thanks |
| 04:10.18 | Penix | I'm up to 32 DC games now....I need help... |
| 04:10.21 | Penix | bah. wrong channel |
| 04:10.28 | JordiGH | Debian's base desktop install is more bare-bones than Kubuntu, iirc. |
| 04:10.47 | matt_ | Penix: but then again...when selecting what i need...can things become....confusing? |
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| 04:11.11 | JordiGH | matt_: No, not really. The Debian install asks more questions than the Ubuntu install, but nothing too complicated. |
| 04:11.16 | Penix | matt_: well, there's 'tasks', like the desktop one that will install a basic graphical desktop system etc. |
| 04:11.32 | matt_ | Penix: gnome? |
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| 04:11.49 | JordiGH | Yeah, Gnome is the default. There's a KDE install CD if you want it. |
| 04:11.54 | Penix | not sure. haven't installed an X debian system in ages |
| 04:12.04 | matt_ | Penix: so what are you using? |
| 04:12.05 | JordiGH | And oh, we don't create whole different distributions just for a different DE. :-) |
| 04:12.13 | JordiGH | Gnome is the default. |
| 04:12.14 | Penix | matt_: eh? |
| 04:12.41 | matt_ | Penix: well...i don't understand what you mean b x debian system.... |
| 04:12.48 | matt_ | JordiGH: that makes since |
| 04:12.55 | Penix | matt_: a debian desktop system with X and gnome and all that |
| 04:12.58 | matt_ | JordiGH: it's only a few files...why all |
| 04:13.07 | matt_ | Penix: so do you use x and gnome? |
| 04:13.08 | JordiGH | matt_: X. The X server. The X window system. |
| 04:13.22 | JordiGH | Just X. |
| 04:13.27 | Penix | matt_: yes, on my main desktop |
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| 04:14.01 | matt_ | Penix: alright...i'll give it a try...besides...installing ubuntu is easy and quick... |
| 04:14.16 | Penix | matt_: yeah, that's what ubuntu is about |
| 04:14.23 | JordiGH | If you don't understand one of Debian's questions... just go with the default. |
| 04:14.23 | Penix | manu_hack: but, so is debian |
| 04:14.25 | Penix | bah |
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| 04:14.45 | JordiGH | I was gonna metion the "installgui" boot option. |
| 04:14.53 | JordiGH | Oh well. They can read text, I'm sure. |
| 04:14.55 | Penix | hmm. didn't even think of that |
| 04:15.11 | Penix | JordiGH: you'd be surprised ;) |
| 04:15.34 | JordiGH | What? Are monospaced fonts that much scarier than the exact same text in some "gui"? |
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| 04:15.56 | y | Ok so I am very confused by motherboard IDE settings. |
| 04:16.02 | Penix | to many, yes |
| 04:16.19 | y | I have a cable with a DVD-R and 30GB HD. Putting the IDE in diff slots gives me diff configurations. |
| 04:16.23 | y | Why wouldn't they be the same? |
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| 04:17.08 | Penix | y: putting what in what slot? moving an IDE controller to a different PCI slot or something? |
| 04:17.13 | y | Yes. |
| 04:17.15 | Penix | and what configuration? |
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| 04:17.17 | y | Sorry, I'm not that famil with terms. |
| 04:17.19 | JordiGH | Define "dif configurations". |
| 04:17.20 | y | Cable select. |
| 04:17.22 | pipeline | y: uh, you should never share two devices on one IDE cable. |
| 04:17.34 | y | pipeline but I only have two IDE slots. |
| 04:17.37 | JordiGH | pipeline: Why not? I do that all the time. |
| 04:17.39 | Penix | pipeline: yeah, that's why they make 80 wire cables |
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| 04:17.56 | y | pipeline I'm supposed to just forego two devices? Makes no sense. |
| 04:17.59 | y | Anyway. |
| 04:18.08 | y | Why would plugging it into two diff slots give diff configs? |
| 04:18.13 | JordiGH | pipeline: Get two optical disc drives, set one to master, and one to slave on the same cable. What's the big deal? |
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| 04:18.16 | y | in one case, one works, in one case, neither are found. |
| 04:18.21 | Penix | y: WHAT 'CONFIG'? |
| 04:18.27 | Penix | what are you talking about? |
| 04:18.36 | y | DVD-R and HD both set to cable select. |
| 04:18.45 | pipeline | y, JordiGH, Penix : Because IDE is a filthy, disgusting hack. If you ever use them at the same time, performance goes to hell. |
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| 04:19.06 | y | ok, so you're some weird hardware traditionalist. |
| 04:19.08 | y | gotcha. =) |
| 04:19.13 | Penix | heh |
| 04:19.24 | y | As for me, I'll take the 4 devises over your odd puritanicalism |
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| 04:19.33 | Penix | y: take them off cable select then |
| 04:19.51 | y | let me ask this. which, on the cable, is master? The one in the middle or the end of the cable? |
| 04:20.02 | Penix | y: the one you set to be master |
| 04:20.12 | JordiGH | y: The one on the end in my experience, but yeah, I guess it depends on jumper settings. |
| 04:20.16 | y | Ok. The cable has no preference? I seem to recall switching them gave me diff results. |
| 04:20.17 | Penix | y: just tell the dvd drive to be a slave and the disk to be master |
| 04:20.27 | y | Ok. |
| 04:20.31 | JordiGH | And what does any of this have to do with Debian? :-) |
| 04:20.38 | Penix | nothing of course |
| 04:20.54 | y | But why would the recognition change between IDE slots? Are they diff? One is colored white and the other blue (the plastic casing on the board0 |
| 04:20.57 | y | anyone have a theory? |
| 04:21.12 | y | JordiGH -- Absolutely nothing, except I'm trying to set up a debian box =) |
| 04:21.23 | y | And I always know I can find intelligent people in the Debian room vs the linux or ubuntu rooms =) |
| 04:21.41 | JordiGH | Try the OpenBSD room if you ever have networking issues. |
| 04:21.52 | y | some joke? |
| 04:21.58 | JordiGH | No, not at all. |
| 04:22.01 | JordiGH | They know their shit. |
| 04:22.07 | y | oh. haha. cool, I will. |
| 04:22.11 | pipeline | y: it's not a traditionalist thing. You're lucky to see 10% of normal throughput if you use two devices on the same IDE bus :P |
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| 04:22.19 | JordiGH | But they don't like GNU and resent that gcc is GPLed. ;-) |
| 04:22.25 | y | pipeline -- are you really suggesting 'use only two devices' ? |
| 04:22.33 | pipeline | y: not to mention, IDE cards are so cheap, there's no reason to ever share devices on an IDE bus |
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| 04:23.25 | pipeline | y: huh? IDE only supports two devices max? |
| 04:23.38 | y | my motherboard has two onboard IDE slots |
| 04:23.49 | y | actually, I think I just found a third (!!!) |
| 04:23.59 | y | why are two white and one blue? anyone? |
| 04:24.06 | Gorbulas | y: usually there are two IDE and one floppy |
| 04:24.16 | pipeline | y: each slot is a separate IDE bus |
| 04:24.23 | pipeline | y: you should never have more than one device per IDE cable |
| 04:24.34 | pipeline | y: don't tell me you're plugging one cable into two slots on your motherboard :P |
| 04:24.34 | y | Gorbulas -- Darn you're right. |
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| 04:24.43 | y | hahahah pipeline -- no. |
| 04:24.57 | y | Pipeline, I have two IDE slots. I have 4 devices. What is your workaround? |
| 04:25.15 | pipeline | y: buy an IDE card... or never use more than one device per bus :) |
| 04:25.28 | y | an IDE card will fit into the PCI slots? |
| 04:25.59 | Penix | *sigh* |
| 04:26.15 | y | What's that for, Penix? |
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| 04:26.39 | pipeline | y: You can purchase IDE controller cards. They're about $10 on ebay, slightly more from hardware vendors. |
| 04:26.54 | y | pipeline, mmk, and how do they attach to MOBO? |
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| 04:27.08 | Gorbulas | PCI |
| 04:27.17 | y | thank you. |
| 04:27.20 | hgraey | pipeline, are you being serious about the 90% performance loss? |
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| 04:29.08 | y | he said if you're using them at the same time. |
| 04:29.20 | y | which has interesting implications, if, say, you have two HD's in a RAID config on the same IDE |
| 04:29.48 | y | Still, sounds kind of exagerrated. |
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| 04:30.42 | pipeline | hgraey: Yes. It's a very ugly corner case. |
| 04:30.56 | pipeline | y: IDE was intended to be point to point, one drive, one controller port. |
| 04:31.05 | y | That I had no idea. |
| 04:31.06 | pipeline | y: The ability to wedge a second drive in is quite literally a hack. |
| 04:31.15 | y | hmmpf. |
| 04:31.27 | y | Things are quite simple with separate IDE, I must say. |
| 04:31.28 | pipeline | y: So it should not be surprising that using two devices at once doesn't really, uh, fly. |
| 04:31.35 | y | And I alwys get funny results by using two. |
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| 04:32.58 | y | well, you've convinced me to buy some IDE cards |
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| 04:33.21 | y | pisses me off that i have 4 PCI slots open which I'll never use |
| 04:33.44 | fladd | <PROTECTED> |
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| 04:35.58 | hgraey | pipeline, i haven't had any trouble with stuffed-to-the-brim ide ports. there's still the pci bus bottleneck waiting anyway ;) |
| 04:36.26 | xuser_ | what is allow-hotplug in 'interfaces' for? |
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| 04:36.32 | JordiGH | fladd: Ask in Ubuntu. |
| 04:36.39 | comex | i have a better idea |
| 04:36.41 | comex | don't use ide :< |
| 04:36.57 | fladd | i did, no one answers. do you know, how to call update-grub with its full path maybe? |
| 04:37.07 | comex | which update-grub |
| 04:37.19 | JordiGH | comex: That won't work in a chroot. |
| 04:37.28 | Gorbulas | which update-grub from outside the chroot |
| 04:37.31 | JordiGH | !no one answers |
| 04:37.32 | y | bhraey heh. |
| 04:37.35 | fladd | the command 'update-grub' |
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| 04:37.50 | comex | fladd: type the command 'which update-grub' |
| 04:37.54 | comex | from outside chroot ;) |
| 04:38.02 | fladd | i did this: |
| 04:38.03 | fladd | ubuntu@ubuntu:~$ sudo mkdir /ubuntu |
| 04:38.03 | fladd | ubuntu@ubuntu:~$ sudo mount -t ext3 /dev/sda7 /ubuntu |
| 04:38.03 | fladd | ubuntu@ubuntu:~$ sudo mount -t proc none /ubuntu/proc |
| 04:38.03 | fladd | ubuntu@ubuntu:~$ sudo mount -o bind /dev /ubuntu/dev |
| 04:38.03 | fladd | ubuntu@ubuntu:~$ sudo chroot /ubuntu |
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| 04:38.05 | pipeline | hgraey: what PCI bottleneck |
| 04:38.06 | JordiGH | Why are you using a chroot anyways? |
| 04:38.14 | hgraey | comex, if there were affordable quiet cool-running scsi drives, sure :) |
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| 04:38.22 | JordiGH | Why are you using a chroot anyways? |
| 04:38.25 | pipeline | hgraey: 32/33 PCI can make a pretty good goddamned clip... and who the hell still uses 32/33 with a shared bus? |
| 04:38.45 | JordiGH | If all you want to do is reinstall grub to the MBR, there's an easy way to do it, straight from the grub online manual. |
| 04:38.48 | fladd | i am using a live cd to repair the grub on my hd that does not boot |
| 04:38.53 | pipeline | xuser_: there's a man page "interfaces" |
| 04:39.04 | fladd | no, not to the mbr, to the partition that holds the linux |
| 04:39.20 | comex | fladd: try grub-install --root-directory=/ubuntu or something |
| 04:39.25 | fladd | which update-grub |
| 04:39.30 | fladd | ? |
| 04:39.58 | comex | you're looking for grub-install, not update-grub anyway |
| 04:40.08 | comex | unless you messed up your menu.lst |
| 04:40.09 | fladd | yeah, i did the grub install, but it did not create a menu.lst for some reason. this is why i want to create it the way i described above |
| 04:40.32 | JordiGH | http://www.gnu.org/software/grub/manual/html_node/Installing-GRUB-using-grub_002dinstall.html |
| 04:40.58 | hgraey | pipeline, the onboard ide ports are usually on a shared bus. but then, in times of pci-e, who uses ide ;p |
| 04:41.06 | comex | fladd: Either write the menu.lst yourself, or copy the update-grub binary into /ubuntu and run it from inside the chroot |
| 04:41.24 | fladd | where is this binary? |
| 04:41.25 | hgraey | or pata rather |
| 04:41.34 | JordiGH | Argh. |
| 04:41.38 | comex | fladd: to find it out, do which update-grub :P |
| 04:41.38 | JordiGH | What's /ubuntu? |
| 04:41.44 | JordiGH | It's not Debian, that's what. |
| 04:42.19 | comex | random whine: |
| 04:42.31 | pipeline | hgraey: that's why you need to pay for a $300 motherboard where nearly every PCI device gets a dedicated bus :P |
| 04:42.37 | comex | when my debian install breaks I load knoppix to fix it, and sometimes want to join #debian |
| 04:42.40 | comex | but it punts me to #knoppix |
| 04:42.44 | comex | </random> |
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| 04:42.52 | factboy818181 | does anyone know how I could reduce Xorg's CPU consumption? D: |
| 04:42.58 | JordiGH | comex: Yeah. And your whois says "Knoppix user". I fix that. ;-) |
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| 04:43.10 | JordiGH | factboy818181:Lower your screen resolution? |
| 04:43.28 | hgraey | mine has only got 3 :( |
| 04:43.42 | ElFwTer | :) |
| 04:43.53 | ElFwTer | :p |
| 04:44.12 | Vasistha | factboy818181: turn off eye candy? |
| 04:44.54 | penp | factboy818181: use a real window manager like fluxbox? |
| 04:44.59 | fladd | when i copy the update-grub, or give the full path, it just says, that it cannot find the command |
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| 04:45.29 | comex | fladd: cp `which update-grub` /ubuntu/; chroot /ubuntu/ /update-grub |
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| 04:46.32 | ushdfgakk | i can't boot a mini debian iso on my 1g imac |
| 04:47.02 | Gorbulas | what kind of iMac? the PPC with a CRT? |
| 04:47.32 | xuser_ | pipeline: yeah i know, didn't get it. |
| 04:47.42 | Vasistha | ushdfgakk: you did get the PPC version not the i386 version, right? |
| 04:47.45 | ushdfgakk | yeah |
| 04:47.49 | ushdfgakk | of course |
| 04:48.01 | fladd | that does also not work |
| 04:48.02 | Gorbulas | did you hold the "C" key? |
| 04:48.19 | Vasistha | so, if I was to go out and buy a wireless card, what should I buy? Which radios are supported best in debian (and linux in general?) |
| 04:48.40 | fladd | is there no way to update grub from within the grub console? |
| 04:49.24 | comex | fladd: how does it not work :< |
| 04:49.30 | ushdfgakk | yes i held c |
| 04:49.37 | ushdfgakk | i loaded it into OF too but |
| 04:49.41 | ushdfgakk | forgot the command to boot from cd ;) |
| 04:49.52 | fladd | it says that there are several packages that contain grub, but that is not what i am interested in |
| 04:49.56 | ushdfgakk | besides i don't get the feeling that'll work too well |
| 04:50.24 | comex | fladd: why not make the menu.lst yourself |
| 04:50.39 | fladd | how? how can i know, what has to be in there? |
| 04:50.53 | Gorbulas | I know with the Gentoo PPC disk I have I need to use OF, but I think my minimal Edubuntu disc booted when I held C |
| 04:50.56 | JordiGH | fladd: Ask in #ubuntu! |
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| 04:51.14 | comex | fladd: http://www.google.com/search?q=sample+menu.lst |
| 04:51.16 | diafic | My debian (PPC) file server has had its installer stuck |
| 04:51.17 | diafic | E: I wasn't able to locate a file for the linux-image-2.6.18-5-powerpc package. This might mean you need to manually fix this package. (due to missing arch) |
| 04:51.20 | melodosgr | hi all! can i use grub without linux? |
| 04:51.24 | comex | yes |
| 04:51.25 | diafic | And I have no idea what I did to break it ages ago |
| 04:51.33 | Penix | fladd: /usr/share/doc/grub/examples |
| 04:51.39 | JordiGH | Vasistha: There are some wireless usb cards with free drivers... linuxemporium sells them. A friend of mine reported them being easy to use and install. |
| 04:51.40 | Penix | melodosgr: yes |
| 04:51.44 | melodosgr | how? |
| 04:51.45 | rootard | melodosgr: Yes, OpenSolaris uses grub. |
| 04:51.59 | melodosgr | i just need grub |
| 04:52.02 | comex | melodosgr: what OS? |
| 04:52.07 | melodosgr | win |
| 04:52.19 | Penix | melodosgr: you need an OS to install it with or a bootable GRUB disk |
| 04:52.20 | rootard | melodosgr: use a bootable cd that has grub? |
| 04:52.23 | comex | or don't use grub :P |
| 04:52.31 | Vasistha | JordiGH: ooh, that's a nice resource. I wish I could find some page somewhere that documents the present status of the different radio projects, though. |
| 04:52.32 | melodosgr | lol |
| 04:52.35 | melodosgr | damn |
| 04:52.35 | JordiGH | Penix: Does grub need all of an OS? |
| 04:52.54 | melodosgr | i just want to get rid of ntld |
| 04:52.55 | Gorbulas | Grub only needs a filesystem it can read |
| 04:52.59 | melodosgr | piece of crap |
| 04:53.13 | comex | you can't boot windows without it |
| 04:53.22 | comex | so I fully recommend getting rid of it ;) |
| 04:53.44 | JordiGH | Vasistha: You found it? http://www.linuxemporium.co.uk/products/wireless/ |
| 04:53.46 | melodosgr | gettin rid of win? :P |
| 04:53.51 | Gorbulas | when you boot Windows NT with Grub, you're actually running NTLoader from Grub |
| 04:53.55 | melodosgr | have to do uni work im afraid |
| 04:54.07 | Vasistha | JordiGH: yeah, I'm looking now, although I don't think I'm going to purchase overseas ;) |
| 04:54.11 | melodosgr | hmm |
| 04:54.20 | comex | wine and virtualbox are good for windows apps (just saying :P) |
| 04:54.22 | JordiGH | Vasistha: How overseas is it? Shipping to the US was fast and cheap. |
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| 04:54.49 | melodosgr | i was just hopin that i could use grub as a replacement for ntld |
| 04:54.59 | Vasistha | JordiGH: hmm. well, I'll refer my friend there ... I guess I was hoping to tell him "you could buy any of cards x, y, z, etc. on ebay" ;) |
| 04:55.04 | comex | don't think that's possible |
| 04:55.12 | JordiGH | Vasistha: The ralink chipset is what they should look for on ebay. |
| 04:55.14 | melodosgr | :( |
| 04:55.20 | JordiGH | Vasistha: It's the one with free drivers. |
| 04:55.22 | rootard | Does anyone know how Ubuntu keeps patches against Debian sources? I would ask in #ubuntu but it's being flooded with "my sounds card is silent and I can't find the volume" |
| 04:55.25 | comex | what's so bad about ntldr? |
| 04:55.33 | melodosgr | sucks |
| 04:55.36 | melodosgr | lol |
| 04:55.39 | rootard | comex: it only loads windows... |
| 04:55.43 | Vasistha | JordiGH: really the only one, huh? atheros/madwifi are not completely free, though, but are extremely well-supported |
| 04:55.54 | JordiGH | rootard: I'm guessing it keeps patches the same way Debian keeps patches: with a diff inside the source package. |
| 04:56.01 | melodosgr | i wanna boot win and osx |
| 04:56.10 | JordiGH | Vasistha: Yeah, ralink is the only one with completely free drivers. |
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| 04:56.20 | comex | melodosgr: then perhaps you do want grub |
| 04:56.20 | melodosgr | and i was wondering if i could use grub as my main loader |
| 04:56.29 | Vasistha | wow. what a bummer. at least there's one!!! |
| 04:56.29 | comex | use something like knoppix to install it |
| 04:56.34 | rootard | JordiGH: really? That would seem like a pain when a new packages comes out since the diff may not apply. |
| 04:56.37 | JordiGH | Vasistha: The intel card, 802.11 or whatever, is semi-free. It's got a firmware blob, but a free wrapper. |
| 04:56.41 | comex | grab a debian install while you're at it ;) |
| 04:56.56 | JordiGH | rootard: Maybe they use dpatch, then. Isn't there an #ubuntu-dev channel?\ |
| 04:56.56 | simonrvn | melodosgr: you have our permission |
| 04:56.57 | melodosgr | im using debian on all my machines |
| 04:57.04 | melodosgr | but its a music workstation |
| 04:57.20 | melodosgr | and unfortunately no descent music apps are out for linux yet.. |
| 04:57.28 | rootard | JordiGH: I'll check. Ultimately I'd like to build from Debian though :) |
| 04:57.30 | melodosgr | decent* |
| 04:57.37 | JordiGH | rootard: So install Debian! |
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| 04:57.42 | JordiGH | One of us! One of us! |
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| 04:57.50 | diafic | One of us... |
| 04:57.59 | diafic | One of usssssssss *fangs* |
| 04:58.01 | rootard | JordiGH: I would love to if I could run OpenSolaris underneath it. |
| 04:58.14 | JordiGH | rootard: In a VM? |
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| 04:58.20 | rootard | no... |
| 04:58.25 | rootard | Nexenta... |
| 04:58.51 | rootard | apt on top of OpenSolaris. |
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| 04:59.20 | JordiGH | Ah, apt. |
| 04:59.33 | JordiGH | I wonder if Ubuntu has cleaned up the apt source. |
| 04:59.40 | JordiGH | It was a mes last time I looked. |
| 04:59.42 | JordiGH | mess |
| 05:00.06 | JordiGH | rootard: So why do you like Nexenta, curious? |
| 05:00.19 | rootard | zfs/zones are very nice. |
| 05:00.32 | rootard | I can't stand the normal Solaris package/update mechanisms |
| 05:00.32 | simonrvn | ffs, they did something to clam and now it runs like crap :( |
| 05:00.35 | JordiGH | "Debian/GNU" in Nexenta's wiki article. |
| 05:00.38 | JordiGH | I wonder what they meant. |
| 05:00.41 | rootard | and I've been a long time follower of Debian |
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| 05:01.33 | JordiGH | People just add slash-GNU or GNU-slash all over the place without knowing what it means! |
| 05:01.58 | rootard | Well, it aims to be a Debian-like dist as much as it can. |
| 05:03.37 | rootard | Although, it builds primarily from Ubuntu sources atm. |
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| 05:04.22 | rootard | Also, OpenSolaris can't be totally built from gcc yet. Which is a problem. |
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| 05:04.29 | JordiGH | What do they use? |
| 05:04.33 | JordiGH | icc? |
| 05:04.47 | rootard | Sun Studio |
| 05:04.58 | JordiGH | That's a compiler? |
| 05:04.59 | JordiGH | Or an IDE? |
| 05:05.02 | JordiGH | Or both? |
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| 05:05.07 | rootard | It's a compiler suite |
| 05:05.08 | xsdg | definitely a compiler |
| 05:05.15 | maasha | G'day |
| 05:05.35 | JordiGH | Is that a Russian-Australian? |
| 05:05.45 | JordiGH | Dobriy den', mate. |
| 05:05.49 | maasha | does feh handle RAW format (CR2) or is there another good image pager? |
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| 05:08.37 | JordiGH | Hm. |
| 05:08.56 | JordiGH | maasha, would it be too much of a pain to import the images to a different format? |
| 05:09.03 | JordiGH | !info ufraw |
| 05:09.09 | dpkg | ufraw: (standalone importer for raw camera images), section graphics, is optional. Version: 0.13-1 (sid), Packaged size: 619 kB, Installed size: 1706 kB |
| 05:09.58 | rootard | I wish I were as smart and fast as dpkg. |
| 05:10.00 | maasha | JordiGH: I want to manually fiddle the RAW images after importing and going over my photos. So I need some tool to flip through the photos. feh would be good if it does RAW ? |
| 05:10.20 | JordiGH | maasha: I don't see anything about RAW in feh's changelog. |
| 05:10.47 | maasha | JordiGH: sigh - that probably means "no" then |
| 05:11.06 | JordiGH | maasha: Can't you just try and see? |
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| 05:11.30 | maasha | JordiGH: I am trying to - I just need to compile some stuff. |
| 05:11.40 | ushdfgakk | wait wait |
| 05:11.42 | JordiGH | Not compiling feh, I hope... |
| 05:11.42 | ushdfgakk | jordigh like |
| 05:11.43 | ushdfgakk | SWAP?!?!? |
| 05:11.49 | JordiGH | ushdfgakk: Yes. |
| 05:11.53 | JordiGH | ushdfgakk: Hush, you. |
| 05:12.03 | ushdfgakk | No, seriously |
| 05:14.42 | xuser_ | is the ipmasq still needed for NAT or iptables takes care of it? |
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| 05:16.21 | rupert__ | hi there.. how do i switch from a graphical login to text login? in RedHat i change /etc/inittab.. runlevel 5 to 3 i think.. |
| 05:17.33 | JordiGH | rupert__: There are no multiuser runlevels in Debian that differ only if they run X or not. By default, all multiuser runlevels run X. Just edit one of the runlevels to not run X and set that as your default runlevel. |
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| 05:18.59 | Gorbulas | can I make the Debian CD not use the DHCP broadcast flag? |
| 05:19.24 | Gorbulas | that's one of the issues I'm trying to fix when I replace the old server |
| 05:19.50 | ushdfgakk | note to self: kill |
| 05:19.52 | JordiGH | Gorbulas: You're talking about the install? You can tell it to not configure network... I consider it a bug that it tries to reach the security servers and there's no way to tell the install to not try. |
| 05:20.29 | JordiGH | Gorbulas: Usually what I do is I set some bogus fixed ip and wait for it to time out. That's usually faster for me than having it automatically download security updates. |
| 05:20.57 | JordiGH | Gorbulas: Alternatively: rip out network cable. ;-) |
| 05:21.28 | pingouin | what i have to do to fill the /var/log/boot with bootlog ? (boot not logged currently) |
| 05:21.54 | rupert__ | JordiGH: thanks.. my default runlevel is set to 2.. i am changing it to 3 now |
| 05:22.04 | cizzi | whats -- MARK -- mean in /var/log/messages? |
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| 05:23.59 | Guerin | cizzi: it means `all quiet on the Western Front' |
| 05:24.20 | cizzi | right just found it |
| 05:24.24 | cizzi | its really every 20 minutes |
| 05:24.29 | cizzi | stamping the log file saying nothing happenned |
| 05:24.29 | Guerin | sure is |
| 05:24.42 | JordiGH | Why not just touch it, I wonder? |
| 05:24.45 | Gorbulas | I selected encrypted LVM and it says "Erasing data on IDE1 master, partition #5 (hda5)"… does that mean it's zeroing the disk? |
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| 05:25.02 | JordiGH | Gorbulas: Probably shredding it, yeah. |
| 05:25.07 | Guerin | JordiGH: it's a logfile. You want to see a LOG, not just the last time anything happened |
| 05:25.36 | JordiGH | Guerin: But if nothing is happening, and the logfile has its timestamp that nothing happened...? |
| 05:26.01 | Guerin | JordiGH: ... |
| 05:26.06 | Gorbulas | that's bad… I'm installing in a VM with a sparse disk image |
| 05:26.11 | VincentC | i'm thinking of downloading a package that aptitude considers to be an 'untrusted source.' Can i reasonably assume that the program is fairly safe if the package is indexed on packages.debian.org? |
| 05:26.28 | JordiGH | VincentC: apt-get update. |
| 05:26.50 | Guerin | VincentC: no. YOu need to verify the server from which it comes |
| 05:27.13 | Guerin | though doing what JordiGH said might well do that for you |
| 05:27.18 | JordiGH | pingouin: This looks relevant: https://bugs.launchpad.net/upstart/+bug/98955 |
| 05:27.47 | VincentC | ok i'm glad i asked before downloading then |
| 05:28.01 | VincentC | thanks |
| 05:28.23 | JordiGH | Guerin: I'm not trying to be purposely stupid. :-) I honestly don't get it. Is it because nobody checks the dates on a logfile when they do "cat logfile"? |
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| 05:29.00 | Gorbulas | JordiGH: the marks show that the computer was at least turned on at times in the log file |
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| 05:29.14 | JordiGH | Gorbulas: Ah, that makes sense. |
| 05:29.23 | Gorbulas | the modification time only shows that the computer was on at the madification tim |
| 05:29.36 | Guerin | yeah |
| 05:29.45 | Guerin | it's like an archaeological record |
| 05:29.48 | Guerin | all logfiles are |
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| 05:30.05 | Varange | hi all. I installed Debian yesterday and the sound worked, and now it won't. The error message is "No volume control GStreamer plugins and/or devices found.". Where do I start looking please? |
| 05:30.28 | Guerin | eew, gstreamer |
| 05:30.30 | Varange | please help a Debian noob here |
| 05:30.38 | spldart | heh |
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| 05:31.50 | Gorbulas | why do people keep developing more sound systems and libraries for Linux? I can use plain Alsa, Esound, Arts, Jack… |
| 05:31.58 | Varange | if I do /etc/init.d/alsa reload, it seems to load the drivers just fine |
| 05:32.05 | JordiGH | arts and esound aren't libraries. |
| 05:32.07 | Guerin | Gorbulas: NIHS |
| 05:32.15 | Guerin | JordiGH: they're systems. |
| 05:32.23 | JordiGH | Oh, didn't see that. |
| 05:32.55 | Varange | but the little volume control thing at the top right keeps telling me that the module or whatever needs installing |
| 05:33.08 | Varange | so please help |
| 05:33.41 | Varange | how do I test for sound? |
| 05:33.58 | Guerin | !soundcheck |
| 05:33.58 | dpkg | Pff pff, is this thing on? cat /vmlinuz > /dev/dsp; if it doesn't fail, you either have OSS or alsa with OSS emulation working. |
| 05:34.09 | JordiGH | Does that still work? |
| 05:34.16 | Guerin | caution: white noise may emerge |
| 05:34.17 | JordiGH | We can still cat weirdshit to /dev/dsp? |
| 05:34.22 | Guerin | 'course. |
| 05:34.30 | Varange | I'll try, brb |
| 05:34.34 | JordiGH | I thought we didn't have permissions by default. |
| 05:34.48 | Guerin | since etch we do |
| 05:34.55 | Guerin | or it might have been sarge |
| 05:34.59 | JordiGH | "device or resouce busy" |
| 05:35.10 | Varange | lotsa stuff scrolled across the screen, but no sound |
| 05:35.20 | Guerin | only if you're using a sound crapulator like ESD or ARTS |
| 05:35.22 | Gorbulas | heh there's a SSH accessible computer in the Unix lab at school that doesn't have the sound disabled :) |
| 05:35.24 | JordiGH | Varange: Did you forget the > ? |
| 05:35.31 | simonrvn | Varange: i have to do that sometimes on my card; old isa sb16 card. works fine, just needs a kick in the ass sometimes ;) |
| 05:35.38 | Guerin | Gorbulas: awesome. |
| 05:35.43 | JordiGH | Gorbulas: And you've been catting crap to it? |
| 05:35.57 | Varange | ok ok, that was me being stoopid. Yes, go white noise |
| 05:36.02 | rootard | Old dos partitions sound cool |
| 05:36.03 | Gorbulas | no I've only used it for playing Dune II with sound between classes |
| 05:36.05 | Varange | JordiGH, I did :) |
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| 05:36.14 | simonrvn | @soundcheck |
| 05:36.27 | Guerin | Gorbulas: send wave audio of garbled radio transmissions late at night, when you know someone particularly credulous is in the lab alone |
| 05:36.32 | JordiGH | I think I heard that the kernel source sounds more melodious. |
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| 05:36.52 | simonrvn | @soundcheck is <reply>*Pff* *pff* *screech*, is this thing on? cat /vmlinuz > /dev/dsp; if it doesn't fail, you either have OSS or alsa with OSS emulation working. |
| 05:36.53 | ravenbird | simonrvn: okay |
| 05:37.03 | Varange | Does that mean that ALSA works> |
| 05:37.04 | simonrvn | mine's louder ;p |
| 05:37.34 | Guerin | VincentC: as the factoid says: either OSS or (if you run ALSA), then ALSA's OSS emulation (which you want). |
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| 05:37.42 | Guerin | Varange: ↑ |
| 05:38.01 | simonrvn | i gotta fix my console font... |
| 05:38.15 | Varange | Guerin, ok, so ALSA works, I image |
| 05:38.18 | Varange | imagine |
| 05:38.27 | rootard | "dd if=/dev/random of=/dev/dsp" is my choice stream of music. |
| 05:38.30 | Guerin | no need to imagine; you heard it |
| 05:38.38 | Guerin | !free software song |
| 05:38.38 | dpkg | i guess free software song is http://www.gnu.org/music/free-software-song.ogg or http://audio-video.gnu.org/audio/Fenster-Free-Software-Song.ogg or http://www.jonobacon.org/music/solo/jonobacon-freesoftwaresong.ogg or not http://www.jwz.org/hacks/why-cooperation-with-rms-is-impossible.mp3, or http://www.chaosandorder.us/emcee/2-September-04-CoderzMansionII.mp3, or cd / ; for dir in * ; do cd $dir && cat * > /dev/dsp && cd .. ; done |
| 05:38.39 | Varange | lol, yes |
| 05:38.59 | Varange | Guerin, what should I test next? |
| 05:39.15 | Guerin | Varange: i'd just go with uninstalling gstreamer and using something else |
| 05:39.22 | Varange | Guerin, I have cplay installed, and if I try to play an ogg file, it reports that "no player installed" |
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| 05:39.31 | Guerin | a poor second choice would be to install the bits of gstreamer it claims are missing |
| 05:39.33 | Varange | Guerin, like what for example? |
| 05:39.50 | Varange | ok, I'll give it a go |
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| 05:39.51 | Guerin | Varange: mplayer is good. Also vorbis-tools, for ogg. |
| 05:39.59 | Varange | thc |
| 05:40.01 | Varange | thx |
| 05:40.06 | simonrvn | rootard: and waste entropy? |
| 05:40.06 | Guerin | i prefer thc |
| 05:40.12 | Guerin | Taranaki Hard Core! |
| 05:40.20 | EvilDin | hi, how could i set sudoers file that user would be able to execute /bin/ls as root without password ? |
| 05:40.20 | Varange | :) |
| 05:40.23 | Guerin | simonrvn: oxymoron |
| 05:40.38 | Guerin | EvilDin: man sudoers |
| 05:40.42 | simonrvn | hehhe that's true =) |
| 05:41.09 | rootard | simonrvn: meh, who needs entropy when all you use is telnet! ;-P |
| 05:41.24 | simonrvn | @telnetsmite rootard |
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| 05:41.56 | Guerin | using telnet generates its own smitage |
| 05:42.17 | simonrvn | hehe |
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| 05:43.12 | simonrvn | @free software song |
| 05:43.13 | ravenbird | hmm... free software song is http://www.jwz.org/why-cooperation-with-rms-is-impossible.mp3 |
| 05:44.26 | JordiGH | jwz.org looks like hexl mode in Emacs. |
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| 05:46.01 | simonrvn | *sigh*, the -headers always seems the longest to do, just sits there looking like it's doing nothing (when it really does something) |
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| 05:48.38 | jsokolow54234523 | are the etch repos still up? |
| 05:49.01 | Nostahl | i have an ati card in my debian computer its an allinwonder 9600xt |
| 05:49.21 | Nostahl | i have dual monitors pluged in atm and i have xfce incase that matters |
| 05:49.24 | simonrvn | jsokolow54234523: no, they took a walk, their feet were getting tired |
| 05:49.28 | Nostahl | how do i extend the desktop to the secondary monitor |
| 05:49.35 | Nostahl | instead of it just cloning the desktop on both monitor's |
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| 05:51.07 | jsokolow54234523 | ille take that as a yes! |
| 05:51.25 | simonrvn | ;) |
| 05:51.43 | simonrvn | ooh, we got a smart one ;) |
| 05:51.47 | JordiGH | DNA lounge... wait, who is this guy? I've heard of him before. |
| 05:52.54 | Varange | ok, I installed mplayer. |
| 05:53.09 | Varange | it shows that it plays a music file, but there is no sound |
| 05:53.17 | Varange | please help |
| 05:54.00 | simonrvn | alsamixer |
| 05:54.07 | Varange | thx |
| 05:54.18 | simonrvn | \o/ -headers done! |
| 05:56.42 | xsdg | JordiGH: jwz? jamie zawinski? |
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| 05:56.48 | xsdg | JordiGH: he wrote xscreensaver |
| 05:56.55 | JordiGH | xsdg: Yeah, just found him in Wiki. |
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| 05:57.31 | JordiGH | xsdg: I'm half tempted to turn his homepage into a file and run "file" on it to get a clue... But I can't figure out a simple way that will take me less than five minutes to convert that to a file. |
| 05:58.00 | xsdg | JordiGH: oh; hexdump |
| 05:58.07 | xsdg | JordiGH: specifically, run as `hd` |
| 05:59.14 | JordiGH | xsdg: Wait, I want to do the reverse... |
| 05:59.26 | JordiGH | I have the hex codes. I want to write them to a file. |
| 05:59.57 | xsdg | JordiGH: no, I mean the format of his webpage is as if output via hexdump |
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| 06:00.40 | Gorbulas | file doesn't recognize the first four lines as meaning anything |
| 06:00.50 | JordiGH | xsdg: looks more like hexl to me, and since he's an Emacs user (or RMSmacs, as he calls it, even though RMS recently stepped down from role as lead dev). |
| 06:01.02 | JordiGH | Or maybe he's an XEmacs user. |
| 06:01.17 | xsdg | JordiGH: might be the same thing, but that's definitely the output format that `hd` uses |
| 06:01.21 | JordiGH | Gorbulas: How did you put that into a file? |
| 06:01.34 | Gorbulas | copied into my hex editor and saved |
| 06:01.41 | JordiGH | xsdg: My hd is adding decorative pipes at the sides. |
| 06:01.47 | Gorbulas | his line offsets are wrong |
| 06:02.25 | Varange | simonrvn, can I ask you about my sound problems? |
| 06:02.26 | Gorbulas | should be 0 10 20 since there are 16 bytes on a line >.> |
| 06:02.47 | xsdg | Gorbulas: they're byte offsets |
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| 06:02.57 | Gorbulas | yes… they're wrong |
| 06:02.58 | xsdg | Gorbulas: two bytes to a character |
| 06:03.00 | JordiGH | Gorbulas: Maybe that's significant. |
| 06:03.14 | Gorbulas | two characters two a byte |
| 06:03.35 | xsdg | err... that :o) |
| 06:04.05 | Gorbulas | they jump around too… 0 20 40 60 100 120 140 160 200 |
| 06:04.37 | xsdg | ooh; it's octal |
| 06:04.55 | Gorbulas | ahhh makes sense |
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| 06:05.42 | JordiGH | That's weird. |
| 06:05.53 | JordiGH | hexl doesn't do octal. |
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| 06:07.59 | JordiGH | Hrm, I need an emacs regexp. I always forget how these go. Their escaping is way different than Perl regexps. |
| 06:09.10 | xsdg | knowing jwz, he probably whipped something up in perl |
| 06:09.23 | JordiGH | Oh. |
| 06:09.33 | JordiGH | Yeah, why am I bothering with Emacs regexps? |
| 06:09.38 | Gorbulas | I got the entire file, and that isn't recognized either |
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| 06:10.31 | JordiGH | Gorbulas: Ah, save me some regexping, please post the file somewhere. :-) |
| 06:10.44 | JordiGH | Gorbulas: Also note it's cut off. |
| 06:13.23 | Gorbulas | http://bot24.ig3.net/files/jwz |
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| 06:18.22 | \amethyst | try xxd -r |
| 06:18.25 | \amethyst | doh |
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| 06:18.35 | endra | hey |
| 06:18.35 | \amethyst | was scrolled back |
| 06:18.57 | endra | weird question.. is it possible that my debian server starts refusing to send some packets to some ips after a while, but can still receive packets from them? |
| 06:20.00 | nvz | endra: its possible for you to check, heh.. not for us |
| 06:20.08 | endra | nvz: I do not know how :-/ |
| 06:20.15 | nvz | endra: wireshark might help |
| 06:20.58 | endra | well what if I do not know what packets to look for? |
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| 06:21.15 | nvz | idk |
| 06:21.28 | nvz | ask a vague question, get a vague solution |
| 06:22.03 | endra | You see I am running a tremulous server, and at random times it lags out a few guys (not all, the rest can still play) and the weird part is it is not a complete lagout, if the client types.. /say blah, the server gets it but the server never echos it back, making it look like they lagged out |
| 06:22.31 | cizzi | is it okay to disable rpcbind ? |
| 06:22.41 | cizzi | ports will still be forwarded correctly? |
| 06:22.42 | endra | and if these guys do a /reconnect or ping, it doesn't reply to them as if the server is completely ignoring them |
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| 06:23.10 | nvz | maybe your router doesn't like em |
| 06:23.22 | nvz | its call discrimination :P |
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| 06:23.34 | nvz | I suppose machines can do that too right? |
| 06:24.16 | endra | I'm going to contact the host see if there are some sort of packet restrictions going on |
| 06:24.22 | nvz | couldn't be like human error in one of a million different ways |
| 06:24.29 | nvz | that wouldn't make any sense |
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| 06:25.10 | endra | well the server is ignoring these clients, it can't be a coincidence that multiple clients ping out and have the same symptoms at the same time |
| 06:25.54 | nvz | no but it could be at any level from the server software, router, isp, or client side |
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| 06:26.11 | Gorbulas | maybe there is an IDS detecting tremulous as an attack |
| 06:26.19 | endra | IDS? |
| 06:26.24 | epsilon | is a new release out? I just receaved tons of packages for debian stable via rsync |
| 06:26.28 | Gorbulas | intrusion detection system |
| 06:26.40 | endra | Gorbulas: would that be on the server itself or the routers? |
| 06:26.48 | Gorbulas | could be either |
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| 06:27.25 | Gorbulas | can they reconnect after they get disconnected? |
| 06:27.37 | endra | Gorbulas: no, they cannot |
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| 06:28.40 | endra | Gorbulas: once server starts ignoring them, it does so for an unknown period of time. They cannot see it listed in the server list, and when they connect it says failed, trying again..etc |
| 06:28.51 | Yurivilca | http://digg.com/2008_us_elections/Mike_Huckabee_If_you_vote_for_me_you_live_if_you_don_t |
| 06:28.53 | Yurivilca | Check out this candidate's latest psychotic utterance! |
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| 06:29.38 | Gorbulas | servers only show up in the list after the client retrieves map information from the server |
| 06:30.13 | endra | Gorbulas: yes, and since they don't get any data from the server then they cannot get that information, so it does not show up |
| 06:30.22 | endra | Gorbulas: but like I said, the weird part is the server still gets the client data |
| 06:30.46 | endra | I've monitored server and my own client after this occured. I should also note I can ssh to the server with no issue even after it ignores me ingame |
| 06:30.49 | epsilon | ah OK, 4.0r2 is out and just not announced in ML yet, that'll explain the packages |
| 06:31.29 | Gorbulas | does it stop ignoring people if you restart tremulous? |
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| 06:31.48 | Gorbulas | I just downloaded r1 and am still seeding it |
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| 06:32.18 | endra | Gorbulas: no, it keeps on ignoring |
| 06:32.31 | Nostahl | is the ftp.debian repository down? |
| 06:32.36 | Nostahl | i cant connect to it at all |
| 06:32.51 | dacs | anyone here know how i can convert pdf to audio ebook so i can put it in my ipod |
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| 06:34.03 | Guerin | dacs: buy a mic and read it aloud |
| 06:34.20 | Guerin | Nostahl: it's a round-robin - look it up with dig and try one of the other ip addresses |
| 06:34.24 | dacs | Guerin: lol |
| 06:34.38 | Guerin | Nostahl: likely you've hit a routing blind-sport or something |
| 06:34.57 | Guerin | dacs: well, you could convert it to text and have festival(1) read it aloud |
| 06:35.01 | GhostlyDeath | Anyone know a good .sit extractor/ |
| 06:35.04 | Guerin | but it would sound *terrible* |
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| 06:35.15 | endra | Gorbulas: any idea where I should start to examine this issue? I was about to contact the host to see if they have any sort of.. IDS |
| 06:35.23 | endra | (and by host I mean LayeredTech) |
| 06:36.02 | Gorbulas | GhostlyDeath: .sit is StuffIt. the files inside are usually only useful for Mac users |
| 06:36.40 | Gorbulas | endra: can you list the iptables rules on the box you have access to? |
| 06:37.09 | endra | Gorbulas: I have no iptables |
| 06:37.36 | zl2tod | endra: I'd be suspicious of any consumer grade router you may be using, they are famous for failing to deal with large numbers of connections |
| 06:37.53 | zl2tod | endra: you may also be suffering some sort of attack |
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| 06:38.51 | endra | zl2tod: well I think an attack can be ruled out since it only seems to stop sending some packets to some users, while allowing those very same users to connect via another protocol |
| 06:39.17 | endra | I'll try contacting layeredtech and see what they have to say about these routers and IDS's they might have |
| 06:40.05 | Gorbulas | do you see the server sending response packets if you run tcpdump or wireshark? |
| 06:40.19 | zl2tod | endra: I don't think that's necessarily a valid assumption |
| 06:40.53 | zl2tod | endra: I doubt anyone upstream will talk to you unless you can demonstrate the problem using logs from tcpdump or wireshark |
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| 06:41.51 | Gorbulas | if you're being ignored you can get logs from both sides which should show clearly whether the issue is on either end or between |
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| 06:42.45 | endra | Gorbulas I have not tried that yet |
| 06:42.57 | endra | (because I can't predict when this occurs and what packets to look for) |
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| 06:43.43 | endra | zl2tod: I understand what you mean. If this cannot be resolved I will just take my business elsewhere (any recommendations?) |
| 06:43.56 | Gorbulas | tremulous will probably show up in wireshark as Quake 3 |
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| 06:48.42 | zl2tod | endra, no idea, I doubt we have any common ISPs in our two countries |
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| 06:54.23 | k2t0f12d | Can you use rsync to just update packages from testing for one arch? |
| 06:55.12 | Chameleon22 | is anybody else here getting: GPG error (BADSIG) when doing apt-get update on "deb http://ftp.au.debian.org/debian/ stable main" mirror? |
| 06:55.42 | k2t0f12d | I switched to http://mirrors.kernel.org .. works |
| 06:56.39 | Chameleon22 | anyone? |
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| 06:57.47 | zl2tod | Chameleon22, yes, it's been dodgy for a few days |
| 06:57.47 | k2t0f12d | Chameleon: try http://mirrors.kernel.org <.< |
| 06:58.13 | TurboBee | Either the Xfce File Manager was not build with support for D-BUS, or the D-BUS service was not installed properly. <--- It looks like I have dbus running... how do I fix this problem? |
| 06:58.13 | Chameleon22 | ok ta |
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| 06:59.59 | stoned | ta ta |
| 07:00.09 | Nostah1 | i heard someone mention earlyer that the etch repository is down?> |
| 07:00.16 | Nostah1 | i just noticed i couldnt connect to it eather |
| 07:00.20 | Nostah1 | is it realy down? |
| 07:00.32 | Nyle | maybe |
| 07:00.46 | Guerin | if you can't connect to it, then for you, it is down |
| 07:00.47 | Nyle | try a diff mirrors maybe i dunno |
| 07:00.59 | Nostah1 | k |
| 07:01.03 | hoxu | !mirrors |
| 07:01.04 | dpkg | hmm... debian mirrors is http://www.debian.org/mirror/list or ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/README.mirrors.txt | ask me about <apt-spy> or <apt-setup> | to make a mirror, see http://www.debian.org/mirrors/ |
| 07:01.05 | Nostah1 | here's another question hehe |
| 07:01.13 | Nostah1 | i have an ati allinwonder 9600xt |
| 07:01.18 | Nostah1 | i have dual monitor's |
| 07:01.30 | Nyle | I have x1900 xt + dual monitor too |
| 07:01.35 | Nostah1 | how do i set it up to extend the desktop to the second monitor |
| 07:01.37 | Guerin | the point isn't that one particular mirror is up or down - mirrors are very widely distributed, so MANY of them would need to go down before people started caring |
| 07:01.42 | Nostah1 | instead of just cloning the desktop on both monitors |
| 07:01.50 | Nyle | Nostah1: like so |
| 07:02.04 | Nostah1 | im running xfce if that makes a difference |
| 07:02.16 | k2t0f12d | Can you use rsync to just update packages from testing for one arch? |
| 07:02.46 | Chameleon22 | zl2tod, k2t0f12d i got other mirrors, i was just pointing out that this one is bad thats all |
| 07:03.07 | Nyle | http://paste.debian.net/45617 |
| 07:03.16 | Chameleon22 | zl2tod, k2t0f12d you know... Doing my civic duty or something like that, anyway i must go toilet my self now |
| 07:03.21 | Nyle | for example that is my cofnirugation |
| 07:03.29 | Nyle | im really tired |
| 07:03.31 | Nostah1 | how do i ask dpkg how to set up new mirror's |
| 07:04.20 | Nyle | Nostah1: ignore line 120+...onwards |
| 07:04.45 | Nyle | damn ati config utility added that on there probably |
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| 07:07.52 | zl2tod | Nostah1, you want to mess with /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 07:08.14 | Nyle | !sources.list |
| 07:08.14 | dpkg | Your /etc/apt/sources.list should have a line like "deb http://ftp.<cc>.debian.org/debian etch main" and "deb http://security.debian.org/ etch/updates main" where <cc> is your country code. Be sure to run "apt-get update" after editing sources.list in order to refresh your database. Also see <mirrors> <apt-spy> <etch security> <testing security> and /usr/share/doc/apt/examples/sources.list |
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| 07:09.38 | zl2tod | Nostah1, also there's a longstanding issue with the kernel.org mirror and BADSIGs ... ftp-masters have half an eye on it ... if anyone can convince the apt maintainers to spit the ip number of the mirror in use that would be a good thing |
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| 07:10.40 | k2t0f12d | The instructions on the Debian web page are very good for doing partial mirroring while excluding architectures, but how do you target a mirror to just one version (i.e. stable, testing, unstable)? |
| 07:10.44 | Nostah1 | so can i just add a ton of different mirrors so i dont have to worry about one of em being down eheh |
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| 07:13.37 | SJrX | With apt, is there a way to force a package to install like I can with dpkg? |
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| 07:17.11 | Nostah1 | woot just added us to my repository's |
| 07:17.13 | Yurivilca | http://digg.com/2008_us_elections/Mike_Huckabee_If_you_vote_for_me_you_live_if_you_don_t |
| 07:17.15 | Yurivilca | Check out Mike Huckabee's latest psychotic utterance! Vote Romney 2008 He is different!!! |
| 07:17.19 | Nostah1 | and apt's workin again |
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| 07:19.24 | Nostah1 | what do i do to check wich driver version is running my agp graphics card |
| 07:19.55 | Fox_1_ | hi all |
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| 07:20.33 | Guerin | Nostah1: xdpyinfo |
| 07:21.52 | zl2tod | gluck.debian.org (aka some or all of ftp.debian.org) is accepting connections on port 80 but then goes very very quiet |
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| 07:22.06 | Fox_1_ | people I want to change my system locale. I have changed LANG, but it doesn't help. For example I wrote export LANG="ru". IN /usr/share/locale/ru/LC_MESSAGES I have grep.mo, but after that grep doesn't become russian. |
| 07:22.18 | Guerin | zl2tod: use another mirror |
| 07:22.31 | zl2tod | Guerin: you don't say |
| 07:22.36 | Guerin | Fox_1_: dpkg-reconfigure locales |
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| 07:23.07 | Guerin | zl2tod: guaranteed 100% fix for unresponsive mirrors |
| 07:24.33 | Fox_1_ | Guerin, and then I should change LANG? |
| 07:24.47 | Guerin | Fox_1_: if you log out and back in, it'll reset it for you |
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| 07:25.11 | wwasher | zl2tod : ftp.cerias.purdue.edu was very quiet, too |
| 07:25.33 | Fox_1_ | ok |
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| 07:28.27 | zl2tod | funny thing, the official line of communication in such cases was ftp-masters@debian or mirrors@debian ... these addresses were blackholing for a several years ... |
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| 07:28.45 | \amethyst | Fox_1_: instead of "ru" maybe try "ru_RU.KOI8-R" or "ru_RU.UTF-8" |
| 07:28.48 | zl2tod | wwasher, thanks, I'll include reference to that |
| 07:29.26 | Yurivilca | http://digg.com/2008_us_elections/Mike_Huckabee_If_you_vote_for_me_you_live_if_you_don_t |
| 07:29.28 | Yurivilca | Check out Mike Huckabee's latest psychotic utterance! Vote Romney 2008 He is the tech candidate that will lead America into the 21st century! |
| 07:29.51 | Guerin | Yurivilca: fuck off and die in a suicide bombing |
| 07:30.09 | cast | !ops Yurivilca is spamming |
| 07:30.09 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: cast complains about: Yurivilca is spamming |
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| 07:30.33 | KomiaPoika | hi |
| 07:30.48 | KomiaPoika | debian ignores my kdm parameters, why? |
| 07:31.18 | KomiaPoika | i changed the login manager config from kontrol center, but when i logoff, i still get the debian default kdm display |
| 07:34.43 | mbroeker | KomiaPoika, i am not sure but do you need to restart kdm ? |
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| 07:35.33 | KomiaPoika | mbroeker: i restarted x server, but nothing changes |
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| 07:37.22 | KomiaPoika | mbroeker: arh, i rebooted the machine and it works |
| 07:37.33 | hoxu | !rebooting |
| 07:37.33 | dpkg | Debian GNU/Linux - Rebooting is for adding hardware, or for kernel upgrades |
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| 07:38.05 | techbie | Hello all , /etc/aliases file location in debian |
| 07:38.42 | mbroeker | techbie, i use postfix and created that file myself |
| 07:39.04 | techbie | mrroeker, thanks :) |
| 07:39.10 | KomiaPoika | dpkg, rebooting is also to get your kdm settings updated in effect |
| 07:39.11 | dpkg | okay, KomiaPoika |
| 07:39.38 | mbroeker | alias_maps = hash:/etc/aliases is the corresponding entry in main.cf techbie |
| 07:40.20 | techbie | !what are you |
| 07:40.20 | dpkg | I am a blootbot. For more info see <blootbot> |
| 07:40.20 | gg | What is a blootbot |
| 07:40.20 | gg | !blootbot |
| 07:40.20 | dpkg | blootbot is a severely mutiliated infobot, by xk. Homepage at http://blootbot.sourceforge.net. Blootbot debs are now in debian. You may not want to run a blootbot unless you're very good with perl. The latest svn has pgsql support. NOTE: blootbot development has officially stopped, and the project has been renamed back to infobot. Ask me about infobot. |
| 07:40.21 | Vasistha | !giyf |
| 07:40.21 | dpkg | from memory, giyf is Google Is Your Friend, or http://google.com/linux. Gary Izzard, Yankee Farmer |
| 07:40.53 | gg | !infobot |
| 07:40.53 | dpkg | Infobot is an IRC bot that is geared towards remembering "factoids", and repeating them back to people on request. It supports many additional features, such as google lookups, dictionary, spell checker, debian package checks, and more. See http://infobot.sourceforge.net/ for more. NOTE: Blootbot (fork of infobot) has now replace infobot. Old infobot archives can be found in svn under /infobot-old. |
| 07:41.07 | Vasistha | !tell gg about msg the bot |
| 07:41.13 | zl2tod | techbie, you need to run newaliases after you mess with /etc/aliases |
| 07:42.51 | Vasistha | KomiaPoika: you don't need to reboot for that, you just need to restart the X server |
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| 07:43.40 | hoxu | Bhaal, out of curiosity, what do you do that for? :P |
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| 07:44.52 | Yurivilca | http://digg.com/2008_us_elections/Mike_Huckabee_If_you_vote_for_me_you_live_if_you_don_t |
| 07:44.57 | hoxu | !ops Yurivilca is spamming again |
| 07:44.57 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: hoxu complains about: Yurivilca is spamming again |
| 07:44.58 | Yurivilca | Check out Mike Huckabee's latest psychotic utterance! |
| 07:45.00 | Yurivilca | Vote Romney 2008 He is the tech candidate that will lead America into the 21st century as the most tech savvy candidate that understand's the US's infrastructure needs. |
| 07:45.12 | hoxu | Yurivilca, you don't really learn, do you? |
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| 07:45.46 | CyberMad | what is debian 4.0r0 i386 kernel use? |
| 07:45.50 | CyberMad | 2.6 or 2.4? |
| 07:45.58 | cast | 2.6.18 |
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| 07:46.35 | Vasistha | hoxu: he's spamming multiple chans, and unfortunately noone's on /stats p |
| 07:47.33 | hoxu | hum well, maybe someone should report to digg just in case they'll do something about it |
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| 07:50.33 | Nostahl | how do i tell if my graphics card is installed propperly |
| 07:51.36 | cast | ok i have a debian box with 1 nic, but two ips [one set to eth0 and the other to eth0:0] |
| 07:51.37 | hoxu | Nostahl, if you can't tell, it probably is? ;) |
| 07:52.00 | maasha | where is nickserv ? |
| 07:52.01 | Nostahl | lol well i mean. i tryed updating the drivers but i dont know if i was successful or not |
| 07:52.06 | cast | no i just noticed a connection from that box originates from eth0:0's ip, whereas i want all connections to originate from the eth0 ip, how would i do that? |
| 07:52.16 | Vasistha | maasha: /ns |
| 07:52.20 | hoxu | cast, are those in different subnets? |
| 07:52.31 | zl2tod | Nostahl, dmesg, lspci, lsmod, syslog |
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| 07:52.41 | cast | hoxu: not, same subnet, [same gateway too[ |
| 07:52.59 | CyberMad | thanks |
| 07:53.11 | techbie | Thanks zl2tod |
| 07:53.44 | cast | eth0:0 comes after eth0 in interfaces, maybe ill try switching the order |
| 07:53.52 | hoxu | cast, well, I don't really know how linux picks the source IP, but I don't think you need to use subinterface when you assign multiple IPs in same subnet |
| 07:53.57 | enouf | Vasistha: hrm, any luck on that er initrd issue (was it?) |
| 07:54.07 | Vasistha | enouf: yeah, I got it totally working! |
| 07:54.20 | enouf | Vasistha: dude .. |
| 07:54.52 | enouf | what were you/we/i/us doing wrong? |
| 07:54.58 | enouf | (they/them) |
| 07:55.03 | Vasistha | enouf: dpkg-reconfigure linux-image-2.6.xx ... and I had to get a script written in just the right way, in /etc/initramfs-tools/scripts so it will automagically be included on kernel updates |
| 07:55.44 | enouf | Vasistha: but what did the script do? sleep usb? modprobe device-mapper? |
| 07:56.41 | Nostahl | how do i roll back my video drivers to what they were default |
| 07:56.44 | enouf | s/did/does |
| 07:56.53 | Vasistha | enouf: http://paste.debian.net/45618 |
| 07:57.06 | enouf | Nostahl: after installing 3rd party proprietary drivers? |
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| 07:57.15 | Nostahl | aye |
| 07:57.28 | Nostahl | atleast i think i installed them lol |
| 07:57.30 | Nostahl | i attempted :P |
| 07:58.12 | Vasistha | enouf: rather, http://paste.debian.net/45619 |
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| 07:59.50 | Vasistha | enouf: once I got that working, I discovered that I didn't need to use rootdelay, or to make changes to the files in /usr/share/initramfs-tools (which I felt funny about) or anything ... just adding that one script takes care of me "forever" :) |
| 08:00.17 | cast | weird, was expecting the OTFC debian channel to not be < half the size |
| 08:00.22 | Vasistha | enouf: erm, and it can be put in /etc/initramfs-tools/scripts/init-premount (where it SHOULD be ;) |
| 08:01.00 | Nostahl | is there a way i can roll back my video drivers |
| 08:01.09 | hoxu | cast, well duh, I won't be idling there as long as they don't provide user cloaks :p |
| 08:01.10 | Vasistha | cast: heh, it's the "official" channel, and has been for over a year, but ... old habits die hard. Most of the chans I want to be in are on freenode anyway, so I hang here. |
| 08:01.18 | enouf | Vasistha: ok, thanks for the update ;-) |
| 08:01.19 | Vasistha | Nostahl: ati or nvidia? |
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| 08:01.24 | Nostahl | ati |
| 08:01.28 | Nostahl | allinwonder 9600xt |
| 08:01.38 | Vasistha | Nostahl: good luck, it's not supposed to be easy to rollback an fglrx installation |
| 08:01.50 | cast | hoxu: indeed, i like cloaks |
| 08:01.53 | hoxu | cast, does the wrong IP get selected all the time? |
| 08:01.53 | Vasistha | enouf: you're welcome! And thank you for all your support and encouragement. |
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| 08:02.02 | cast | hoxu: it does |
| 08:02.05 | enouf | Vasistha: ;-) |
| 08:02.16 | Nostahl | here's what i did i downloaded the package builder from ati and then set it up to build the fglrx files |
| 08:02.21 | Nostahl | it built about 4 or 5 of them |
| 08:02.34 | Nostahl | they were .deb files etc then i ran each one with terminal |
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| 08:02.41 | Vasistha | enouf: heh, so I got a surprise crash course in initrd. It's actually kind of empowering to have all this knowledge now! Hope I don't forget it too hard. |
| 08:02.47 | hoxu | cast, that's good, then you can try swapping them... you could also see what it does to use just one interface and "post-up ip addr add <ip> dev <dev>" in interfaces :) |
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| 08:03.21 | cast | where dev is eth0 or eth0:0? |
| 08:03.36 | hoxu | cast, eth0, if you test that you don't need the subinterface |
| 08:04.15 | hoxu | cast, well, I think the subinterface is really for cases where your IPs are in different networks :P |
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| 08:04.34 | hoxu | (correct me if I'm wrong) |
| 08:05.04 | extor | If I want to install X on a previously CLI only box, just for the purpose of exporting a KDE GUI app to my desktop...should I just install the GUI app..and dependencies will install X and X-exporters for me? |
| 08:05.46 | hoxu | extor, that's the theory ;) |
| 08:05.51 | enouf | Vasistha: me too - wondering how/why it works. and to try and recall/understand it all can be challenging - i'm looking at /usr/share/initramfs-tools/scripts/init-premount/udev and wondering what the real issue is (or if it has anything to do with that script, or others in that dir) |
| 08:06.16 | extor | hoxu so then my box wont boot into X by default on the headless box, will it? |
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| 08:06.28 | Penix | extor: not unless you install a display manager |
| 08:06.33 | Vasistha | enouf: oh, I can probably explain to you if you like... |
| 08:06.54 | bja | is there a better way to get a list of installed packages than looking at the .debs in /var/cache/apt/archives? |
| 08:07.06 | Penix | bja: dpkg --get-selections |
| 08:07.08 | enouf | Vasistha: thanks, maybe another time, i'm pooped out ;-) |
| 08:07.15 | Penix | bja: archives/ is just anything you've downloaded and possibly removed |
| 08:07.16 | extor | Ok the KDE app in question is ktorrent...if I just do an apt-get install ktorrent then, will that simply just install everything I need to export ktorrent to my home desktop from my dedicated server? |
| 08:07.22 | hoxu | !tell bja about installed |
| 08:07.22 | Penix | or archive, rather |
| 08:07.26 | enouf | Vasistha: again, good to hear back from ya though |
| 08:07.34 | Penix | err. no. s. |
| 08:07.44 | Vasistha | enouf: heh, okay :) going to bed soon? it's midnight here in Los Angeles |
| 08:08.05 | Penix | extor: why not use a decent cli torrent client? |
| 08:08.05 | enouf | it's 3am here O.o (but that realy doesn't matter) |
| 08:08.10 | EvilDin | how could i compile php in debian, while original version is too buggy |
| 08:08.14 | Penix | extor: that's a waste of disk space etc. imho |
| 08:08.20 | extor | Penix I tried to get rtorrent going, and I couldnt |
| 08:08.27 | Penix | extor: how? it's piss easy |
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| 08:08.47 | extor | Penix also, I wanna take about 1 gigs worth of partially downloaded torrents on my home desktop and push em to my dedicated server, to give it a boost...ya see? |
| 08:09.06 | Penix | that still doesn't require a graphical client |
| 08:09.07 | valdyn | extor: "apt-get install ktorrent" should be enough |
| 08:09.17 | extor | Penix the GUI got me fucked up...and like I said, rtorrent will not be able to import partial downloads from ktorrent, will it? |
| 08:09.29 | Penix | extor: yes, it will |
| 08:09.44 | extor | Penix I got about 8 gigs worth of episodes to download and 1 gig are downloaded already using ktorrent... |
| 08:09.50 | Penix | extor: so? |
| 08:09.52 | Nostahl | whats your fav program for watching dvd movies on your computer guys? |
| 08:10.01 | Penix | extor: move the partial files and torrent files over to the server and tell something like rtorrent to load them |
| 08:10.05 | dondelelcaro | Nostahl: mplayer or xine; either works. |
| 08:10.10 | extor | Penix can you say for sure that rtorrent will import ktorrent partial downloads? |
| 08:10.12 | valdyn | extor: partials work accross all torrent clients. |
| 08:10.21 | Penix | extor: yes. they all use the same protocols etc. |
| 08:10.24 | valdyn | extor: ther eis nothing to import |
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| 08:10.38 | extor | valdyn hmmm really? I thought each client stored its own seek-scan data for which block and segment etc etc, ya know? |
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| 08:10.40 | cast | # ip addr add 64.71.152.99 dev eth0 |
| 08:10.41 | cast | RTNETLINK answers: File exists |
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| 08:10.56 | Penix | extor: a torrent's a torrent. doesn't matter what client you use |
| 08:11.05 | extor | So which CLI client do you recomment? rtorrent? Or another? |
| 08:11.11 | valdyn | extor: they just have to rescan the file, not redownload |
| 08:11.13 | Penix | I use rtorrent. never had a problem with it |
| 08:11.20 | Penix | I'm sure there are many others |
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| 08:11.25 | hoxu | cast, hum, does "ip addr" list the IPs? |
| 08:11.28 | extor | Penix for fux sakes I am not talking about the .torrent file but the partially downloaded data files |
| 08:11.33 | *** topic/#debian by dondelelcaro -> 4.0r2 released /msg dpkg etch | /msg dpkg etch->lenny | PUBLIC KEY NOT AVAILABLE? /msg dpkg no public key | THIS IS NOT #ubuntu | FAQ: http://wiki.debian.org/DebianIRC | /msg dpkg bts | NO FLOOD: USE #flood or /msg dpkg paster | /msg bots NOT people |
| 08:11.37 | valdyn | rtorrent seems to have issues with huge files still |
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| 08:11.40 | Penix | *sigh* |
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| 08:11.56 | Penix | valdyn: what's huge? I've done >4GB |
| 08:12.00 | Penix | iirc |
| 08:12.01 | valdyn | could be just my arch or system though |
| 08:12.11 | Nostahl | how can i stop apt from makin me put my installation disk in every time i try and apt somethin lol its anoying |
| 08:12.12 | dondelelcaro | extor: it doesn't matter. If the files are allocated properly and are there, it will notice which bits have been downloaded, and only download those that haven't. |
| 08:12.15 | extor | 4GB wont store on ext2 I believe |
| 08:12.23 | hoxu | extor, the partially downloaded data files are just that, that data files, I don't know of any clients that would do anything special with them so that others wouldn't be able to continue downloading them |
| 08:12.23 | dondelelcaro | extor: and yes, it will. |
| 08:12.25 | valdyn | Penix: im doing >20G all the time, its not like its totally broken, its just crashing occasionally |
| 08:12.55 | extor | hoxu well ktorrent pre-allocates disk space on its data files...so like 80% of the file will be zero-byte space |
| 08:13.05 | hoxu | extor, not a problem afaics |
| 08:13.18 | Vasistha | Nostahl: take the cdrom line out of your /etc/sources.list (or just comment it out) |
| 08:13.19 | valdyn | extor: that's totally broken |
| 08:13.22 | Penix | I don't know why I bother |
| 08:13.24 | cast | hoxu: ahh, cool, ipaddr does list the ips, http://rafb.net/p/kbdZLa75.txt |
| 08:13.26 | Penix | extor: go install ktorrent |
| 08:13.27 | Penix | I'm off |
| 08:13.31 | valdyn | extor: i hope no linux program does something stupid as that |
| 08:13.55 | extor | valdyn, what is proken???? |
| 08:14.04 | extor | valdyn the whole idea behind that zero byte thingy is to pre-allocate diskspace for the entire file and then overwrite the zerobytes |
| 08:14.12 | bullgard4 | English help wanted. Could you please nopaste the English output of 'apt-cache show debian-archive-keyring'. |
| 08:14.15 | valdyn | extor: exactly |
| 08:14.17 | cast | hoxu: seems to be working, testing more |
| 08:14.30 | dondelelcaro | extor: uh... it almost definetly doesn't do it that way. |
| 08:14.31 | extor | valdyn so do you think it really is broken then or were you being sarcastic |
| 08:14.40 | dondelelcaro | extor: those are almost definetly sparse files. |
| 08:14.49 | extor | dondelelecaro it DOES do it that way, mine does because I configured it that way |
| 08:14.59 | valdyn | extor: its stupid to write a program doing this |
| 08:15.05 | extor | donde yes they are sparse files, they grab disk space right in the beginning |
| 08:15.18 | dondelelcaro | extor: you don't seem to understand what a sparse file is. |
| 08:15.18 | cast | hoxu: cool, it be working :) |
| 08:15.21 | hoxu | bullgard4, set your locale to english and run it yourself? |
| 08:15.27 | extor | valdyn well ktorrent and azereus both do it and its not stupid because it PREVENTS FRAGMENTATION |
| 08:15.32 | hoxu | cast, so does it choose the first IP in "ip addr" or what? |
| 08:15.49 | cast | hoxu: yip, it picks the first ip |
| 08:15.50 | dondelelcaro | extor: and yes, it's stupid, because the filesystem is perfectly capable of dealing with any fragmentation that is introduced itself. |
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| 08:15.58 | bullgard4 | hoxu: Too much effort for such a trivial task. |
| 08:15.59 | extor | doneelecaro a sparse file is just a file created with zero-byte "space" which sits on real disk space |
| 08:16.13 | hoxu | valdyn, the point is to allocate space beforehand so you don't run out of it later, a lot of programs can do this optionally |
| 08:16.22 | hoxu | cast, ok cool :) |
| 08:16.23 | dondelelcaro | extor: no, a sparse file is a file which has spaces within it which have not been actually allocated. |
| 08:16.31 | extor | ok well I dont wanna argue the pros and cons...I just wanted to describe what my torrent datafiles look like |
| 08:16.36 | Vasistha | extor: fragmentation is not a problem with modern file systems |
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| 08:16.47 | hoxu | bullgard4, if setting one environment variable is "too much effort" I'm afraid we can't help you with _anything_ |
| 08:16.50 | dondelelcaro | extor: they can be allocated at the moment that they're actually written to, but until they are written to, they are not allocated. |
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| 08:17.27 | cast | hoxu: thanks! |
| 08:17.31 | extor | ok let me put it this way...my 350 meg avi file which has 10 megs of actual downloaded "data" is exactly 350 megs in size on the filesystem...capiche? |
| 08:17.37 | Nostahl | can i set mplayer up to auto play dvd movies when inserted |
| 08:17.43 | dondelelcaro | extor: how do you actually know that? |
| 08:17.47 | valdyn | extor: that doesnt mean anything |
| 08:17.49 | extor | i.e. disk space has been preallocated |
| 08:17.53 | hoxu | extor, when clients resume a torrent they check all the blocks in the files against checksums, so don't worry about zero bytes or any cruft therein |
| 08:17.57 | valdyn | extor: the size does not need to be allocated |
| 08:18.13 | extor | Oh for fucks sakes...it means that the file has huge chuncks of zeroed out data in it |
| 08:18.14 | Vasistha | Nostahl: I don't think that's a function of mplayer, but you may be able to set it up through your DE (gnome or kde) |
| 08:18.27 | Nostahl | i have xfce |
| 08:18.34 | valdyn | extor: like an empty sparce file with the size of 4G can by copied in "no time" |
| 08:18.41 | extor | hoxu ok thats a ray of hope, you are saying it will assume the zerobyte areas are "corrupted" data? |
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| 08:18.57 | dondelelcaro | extor: no, it just assumes they are bits which haven't been downloaded. |
| 08:19.22 | dondelelcaro | (or marks them as such when it goes through and rechecks the hashes) |
| 08:19.34 | hoxu | extor, more or less, some clients also support "fast resume" or something similar which let's them skip checksumming the whole file, but don't worry about it, just go ahead and test the thing, you can take backups of the files beforehand if you are worried :) |
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| 08:20.01 | extor | haha yeah ok Im gunna try and test it on a vmware machine |
| 08:20.23 | extor | If only the rtorrent GUI was a bit nicer |
| 08:20.51 | hoxu | extor, you can also make those zero-filled files sparse again by doing "cp --sparse=always file file.sparse" |
| 08:21.25 | extor | hoxu well instead of sparsing them Im just gunna leave em as is cuz when I gzip em...their size will shrink appropriately |
| 08:21.31 | hoxu | :) |
| 08:21.41 | Vasistha | Nostahl: I doubt xfce has such features, though I could be wrong. kde has, e.g., the kded media manager and the media notifier daemon, I think they can manage that stuff, but I always turn those features off. search google.com/linux for autoplay dvd or some such |
| 08:21.42 | extor | this sparsing is a new concept and must be based on on-the-fly encryption or something |
| 08:22.04 | simonrvn | Vasistha: it does, via thunar |
| 08:22.07 | extor | their size only matters when uploading...so gzip will fix that inefficency |
| 08:22.16 | simonrvn | has a volman plugin |
| 08:22.18 | Vasistha | Nostahl: ^^^ thunar |
| 08:22.22 | Nostahl | i just popped in 50 first dates :P and i cant find the dir that my dvd rom is linked too? |
| 08:22.58 | Nostahl | the dvd rom is master and mycd burner is slave i know that etc |
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| 08:23.07 | Vasistha | Nostahl: you don't need to mount it on a dir in order to play it, but you probably do need libdvdcss |
| 08:23.12 | Nostahl | in the media dir all both the cd folders are empty |
| 08:23.16 | Vasistha | Nostahl: try mplayer dvd://1 |
| 08:23.28 | Nostahl | k |
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| 08:24.18 | EvilDin | any idea why php function cannot be called inside the if statement, function is written in other file: function.php and that function there call for other functions in same file? |
| 08:24.32 | Vasistha | EvilDin: ask ##php ? |
| 08:24.38 | extor | Is ftp.debian.org down or something |
| 08:25.04 | yang_ | extor: use ftp.de.debian.org or any other mirror |
| 08:25.22 | extor | I take that as a yes |
| 08:27.52 | wwasher | extor : i never got the generic ftp.debian.org to work. I updated lenny today from ftp.us.debian.org. I also found that ftp.cerias.purdue.edu was quiet as a doremouse today |
| 08:28.28 | extor | quiet as in dead, or quiet as in nice and responsive without any bitching? |
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| 08:29.20 | mbroeker | EvilDin, you can "include('./function.php'); |
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| 08:33.36 | EvilDin | http://pastebin.com/m55517e09 this code doesn't work on debian php, while on gentoo compiled php it works, any idea why ? |
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| 08:35.06 | Andaluz | hi, does the debian netinst come with all the stuff i'd need to compile ndiswrapper? |
| 08:36.07 | EvilDin | i see problem is that file mustbe inclued this way include ('./functions.php'); |
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| 08:37.14 | enouf | bullgard4: have you forgotten the LANG=C prefix to commands to see english output? |
| 08:37.17 | suppaman | hello |
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| 08:37.28 | Nostahl | whats the package called for ndiswrapper |
| 08:37.43 | enouf | bullgard4: otherwise i'll paste the output |
| 08:37.47 | mbroeker | EvilDin, i testet it right now and it works |
| 08:38.02 | bullgard4 | enouf: Almost. Then I recalled it a few minutes ago and applied it successfully. |
| 08:38.09 | enouf | attaboy |
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| 08:38.51 | mbroeker | EvilDin, it prints testtest... |
| 08:38.52 | bullgard4 | enouf: So the problem is solved. |
| 08:38.54 | EvilDin | the only problem was that there was not ( ) |
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| 08:39.02 | EvilDin | in include |
| 08:39.07 | enouf | bullgard4: 'you da man' ;-) |
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| 08:39.27 | PythonNinja | inux |
| 08:39.30 | PythonNinja | urgh |
| 08:39.31 | mbroeker | EvilDin, well, i changed that as i copied it |
| 08:39.33 | Vasistha | Andaluz: I kinda doubt it, though I could be wrong. Do you absolutely need ndiswrapper to get online, or might you be able to find a wired connection for a little while while you install? |
| 08:39.47 | EvilDin | now it works, thanks for help |
| 08:39.49 | Andaluz | nah i need ndiswrapper :P |
| 08:39.58 | Andaluz | i'm about 50 metres from the wired connection |
| 08:40.12 | EvilDin | may i ask why so big problem because of ( ) |
| 08:40.26 | enouf | dpkg: where were you? |
| 08:40.27 | dpkg | I was getting some action with the botchicks! WooYEAH! I got me some NOOKIE! |
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| 08:40.37 | Andaluz | lol? |
| 08:40.52 | Chile` | I'm not so sure I want dpkg sleeping around. |
| 08:40.59 | Chile` | doesn't make me feel so loved |
| 08:41.03 | enouf | Andaluz: any info in "/msg dpkg ndiswrapper" ? |
| 08:41.19 | enouf | sorry |
| 08:41.23 | enouf | wrong guy? |
| 08:41.33 | enouf | oh wait, you AND Nostahl |
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| 08:43.10 | enouf | Chile`: have some Con Carne` |
| 08:43.12 | creative | hy! Why is firefox f*ckin slow in evry linux distro ?? |
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| 08:43.24 | enouf | Chile`: bloat bloat bloat your bloat |
| 08:43.24 | cast | because firefox is fucking slow. |
| 08:43.31 | Guerin | cast: because it's mostly developed on windows |
| 08:43.44 | Guerin | heh |
| 08:43.47 | mbroeker | creative, try to wrap a magic carpet around iceweasel. |
| 08:43.47 | enouf | bah - sry Chile` not meant to be direted at you (last mesaage) |
| 08:43.53 | Guerin | everyone got the nicks wrong |
| 08:44.05 | Andaluz | cast: on that point, what browser would you reccomend? |
| 08:44.12 | Guerin | Andaluz: firefox |
| 08:44.14 | Vasistha | creative: try opera. not free, but ... it's the best browser. |
| 08:44.22 | Guerin | Andaluz: khtml is crap, and opera is even more crap |
| 08:44.29 | Andaluz | :P |
| 08:44.32 | Guerin | Vasistha: it being non-free makes it not the best |
| 08:44.36 | Nyle | galeon |
| 08:44.38 | wols | Guerin: XUL doesn't help |
| 08:44.44 | Nyle | links2 is good |
| 08:44.45 | Guerin | wols: indeed. |
| 08:44.51 | enouf | and konq is as slow as a dead pig -- use links2 -g if you need GUI |
| 08:45.01 | wwasher | heh. someone will say w3m, but lynx is the way to go... :p |
| 08:45.06 | Guerin | enouf: but not if you need tabs. Tabs are indispensable. |
| 08:45.06 | Vasistha | Guerin: well, 'best' is relative. I'll stick by what I said ;) |
| 08:45.12 | cast | Andaluz: ff sucks, but it sucks the least. my mum likes galeon fine, konq didn't display my gmail as i liked it :< |
| 08:45.23 | Nyle | I find elinks easier to use |
| 08:45.27 | cast | we need a decent browser. |
| 08:45.28 | creative | :) |
| 08:45.28 | Nostahl | i just finnished installing debian with xfce on my dell insprion 1000 laptop |
| 08:45.28 | Guerin | Vasistha: best isn't relative - it's subjective. Don't confuse the two. |
| 08:45.32 | enouf | Guerin: i have my taskbar acting as a tab holder O.o (many windows) |
| 08:45.36 | Nostahl | the touch pad is very very slow |
| 08:45.45 | Nostahl | i tryed the xfce mouse settings to speed it up |
| 08:45.47 | wols | cast: we need a decent OS with decent software |
| 08:45.49 | Nostahl | but they dont do anything it seems? |
| 08:45.57 | enouf | Guerin: i do use Konsole for that sole reason though |
| 08:45.58 | wwasher | i'm a good browser |
| 08:46.02 | Andaluz | UZE INTARNET EXPLOROR |
| 08:46.07 | Guerin | enouf: you have my kondolences. |
| 08:46.09 | cast | wols: debian's pretty decent :P |
| 08:46.16 | enouf | Guerin: hehe |
| 08:46.19 | Nostahl | anyone have an idea how i can speed up my touchpad mouse? |
| 08:46.22 | Vasistha | Guerin: touche |
| 08:46.25 | simonrvn | !kill Andaluz |
| 08:46.26 | Andaluz | lol |
| 08:46.34 | wols | debian sucks donkeynuts. it's only that alternatives are worse, not that debian is any good |
| 08:46.53 | Guerin | enouf: good luck finding one of them, cobber |
| 08:46.55 | grub | Nostahl, edit xorg.conf and add accelaration factor or someting, synaptics? |
| 08:47.21 | enouf | i know i'll find them wherever the sheep are O.o |
| 08:47.33 | Guerin | enouf: see, that's where you're wrong. |
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| 08:47.43 | Guerin | Stupid USians, can't even get the land-mass right. |
| 08:47.46 | enouf | i know, an ocean and a continent apart |
| 08:47.46 | creative | i browsing 4 tabs wit my 4000+ amd, 2gb ram and firefox is suffering |
| 08:48.03 | Guerin | creative: you're imagining it, or there's some other factor in play |
| 08:48.15 | wols | Guerin: you're as ugly as a kiwi, so there :P |
| 08:48.15 | Nostahl | try opera |
| 08:48.22 | tristian | creative, then there is something wrong... |
| 08:48.23 | PythonNinja | wols: what do you run? i'm guessing *bsd |
| 08:48.31 | enouf | creative: links2 -g on a p2 w320MB ram, with 40+ windows open :-) |
| 08:48.36 | Guerin | i routinely have two dozen tabs open on my box, with 768 and a p2-2.6 |
| 08:48.43 | creative | ...something wrong man, its a fresh install of debian |
| 08:48.45 | wols | PythonNinja: what part of "it's only that alternatives are worse" didn't you understand? |
| 08:48.48 | Guerin | PythonNinja: he uses debian because it sucks less donkeynuts than BSD |
| 08:48.51 | Vasistha | creative: how long has it been running? web browsers tend to slowly eat memory, you need to restart the web browser once a week or once every few days or something |
| 08:49.04 | Guerin | i also use debian because it sucks less donkeynuts than BSD |
| 08:49.13 | Guerin | (though I do use OBSD for some tasks) |
| 08:49.21 | wols | Guerin: but you still use openbsd, no? |
| 08:49.22 | enouf | i've had as many as 80-100 windows open across 2 desktops at one time |
| 08:49.24 | simonrvn | creative: i run ff on 256 mb ram p3/500 and you're complaining about it on an amd 4000 with 2 gb ram? how about about you just shut the fuck up instead? |
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| 08:49.24 | PythonNinja | wols: ah i see, it's still kinda vague, and also i thought that this was ##linux .... and i use FreeBSD on my server, it's great |
| 08:49.32 | Appiah | hahaha |
| 08:49.36 | Guerin | PythonNinja: great ... if you like ports |
| 08:49.43 | creative | installed iceweasel simonrvn :\ |
| 08:49.44 | enouf | and that's just links2 - i also ALWAYS have konsole and 10 xterms open too |
| 08:49.44 | Guerin | ... which sane people don't |
| 08:49.53 | Guerin | !lazy |
| 08:49.53 | dpkg | Well, we don't service lazy people, sorry. |
| 08:49.57 | Guerin | hm |
| 08:50.00 | suppaman | creative: it depends on what pages are browsing too, iy you browse crappy js/flash animated sites... |
| 08:50.00 | creative | i didnt fucked up anything |
| 08:50.03 | enouf | not to mention a gui irc client :-P |
| 08:50.10 | suppaman | you are browsing* |
| 08:50.12 | enouf | in like 5-10 channels |
| 08:50.20 | suppaman | enouf: lol |
| 08:50.26 | creative | -ed |
| 08:50.30 | enouf | suppaman: i don't lie |
| 08:50.32 | suppaman | enouf: that's just the ram space to hold enough history |
| 08:50.40 | cast | the way i judge it is by how often it pisses me off, debian doesn't often piss me off [thttpd etch init.d script did a bit, it's broken but won't be fixed -_-]. back in my windows days i used to get angry and break mice and keyboards :\ since switching to gnu/linux i don't have anger issues anymore :D |
| 08:50.45 | creative | just configured debian the usually way |
| 08:50.54 | suppaman | enouf: I now, but I think irc is the least consuming app ever |
| 08:50.55 | enouf | suppaman: dude ,try it , you'll change your nick to suppafast |
| 08:51.08 | suppaman | enouf: sorry try what ? |
| 08:51.15 | Guerin | Almost everything in debian is there in order to enable greater and more profound laziness. apt, lots of policy, scripts to do everything Just So, etc. |
| 08:51.26 | suppaman | enouf: links2 ? |
| 08:51.29 | wols | cast: now that'S a good positive review: "Debian cured my antisocial tendencies".... |
| 08:51.33 | enouf | suppaman: it's in debian repos http://links.twibright.com/user_en.htmlhttp://links.twibright.com/user_en.html |
| 08:51.40 | enouf | whoops, double paste |
| 08:51.54 | creative | Vasistha, btw i tried opera, i coudnt install flash on it |
| 08:52.11 | simonrvn | wols: helps ease them at least ;p |
| 08:52.11 | enouf | suppaman: not a KDE one written in perl O.o (irc client) |
| 08:52.12 | wols | creative: isn't that a GOOD thing? |
| 08:52.15 | xingu | this graphical installer thing is quite natty :) |
| 08:52.18 | Vasistha | creative: ah, so you *are* using flash sites ... yeah, that will slow you down. |
| 08:52.19 | creative | :))) |
| 08:52.33 | enouf | flashcrapoopshit |
| 08:52.33 | creative | yeah im usin but who doesnt ? |
| 08:52.34 | suppaman | enouf: I remember using lynx |
| 08:52.46 | Vasistha | creative: lots of us |
| 08:52.47 | enouf | suppaman: try links2 or elinks or similar |
| 08:52.58 | creative | good4U =( |
| 08:53.02 | enouf | lynx is different - read what i posted |
| 08:53.25 | simonrvn | i use it, for video or art. the ads get {ad,flash}blocked ;) |
| 08:53.27 | PythonNinja | links2 == excellent |
| 08:53.29 | enouf | http://links.twibright.com/user_en.html <-- corrected |
| 08:53.32 | creative | but what about people who want 2 use debian to a "desktop" sys ? |
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| 08:53.48 | creative | they cant use lynx or w3m :\ |
| 08:53.48 | Guerin | links2 == excellent if you're blind |
| 08:53.56 | enouf | creative: i have a full blown kde running (unfortunately) |
| 08:54.05 | Guerin | the www is not a text-only medium, no matter how much you luddites seem to believe it is |
| 08:54.06 | enouf | Guerin: don't be foolish |
| 08:54.07 | PythonNinja | Guerin: how so? |
| 08:54.14 | enouf | Guerin: complain to google O.o |
| 08:54.15 | Vasistha | creative: although at one time in the past I did get flash working on opera. opera has a whole page with instructions for getting different plugins working on linux. |
| 08:54.35 | PythonNinja | Guerin: links2 runs int he framebuffer, so it's NOT a text only medium, you blundering fool |
| 08:54.36 | enouf | Guerin: i see pics fine, jpegs, png, etc |
| 08:54.45 | simonrvn | so does moz, so? not exactly hard ;) |
| 08:54.48 | enouf | gifs (NON-animated) thank goodness |
| 08:54.52 | Nostahl | why do flash drives not auto mount when you plug them in to debian computers |
| 08:55.04 | simonrvn | Nostahl: they do |
| 08:55.06 | enouf | without the need for plugins, or other crap bloating it down |
| 08:55.07 | Guerin | don't get me wrong - I live in the shell. But links2 is a *crap* gui browser. The only time it's good is if you're stuck on a framebuffer console with no other options. |
| 08:55.15 | cast | Nostahl: i use the usbmount package for that |
| 08:55.17 | suppaman | Guerin: "Links displays in graphics mode (mouse is necessary) on X-Window system (" |
| 08:55.27 | enouf | Guerin: bull - you just don't know any better - what's your alternative? |
| 08:55.36 | cast | Nostahl: which refuses to automount vfat till you edit the config...but fat sucks anyway |
| 08:55.36 | Penix | pfft |
| 08:55.42 | PythonNinja | Guerin: or you're on a painfully low resource machine like i am |
| 08:55.54 | Guerin | suppaman: yeah, just like a fiat bambina is a good road-trip car. |
| 08:55.56 | enouf | it runs in FB console using directfb and in X, both GUI -- or as TUI only if you like |
| 08:56.05 | Nostahl | my flash drives are both fat32 |
| 08:56.12 | Nostahl | where's the config file so i can edit it :P |
| 08:56.30 | Guerin | PythonNinja: that's another option, right. But I spend enough time on a computer that it's worth me getting a halfway-decent one (top o' the line for 2000 or so) |
| 08:56.35 | suppaman | Guerin: I got the joke, but 'bambina' ? |
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| 08:56.44 | Guerin | enouf: firefox works. |
| 08:56.51 | Guerin | suppaman: it's a kind of car. |
| 08:57.02 | Vasistha | Nostahl: the config file is cfdisk /dev/sda or /dev/sdb, there you can change the partition to ext2 ;) did you already install usbmount? |
| 08:57.03 | Guerin | enouf: the only major problem is that it's a ram hog, and ram is cheap. |
| 08:57.04 | suppaman | Guerin: neverheard, and I'm from Italy.. |
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| 08:57.12 | PythonNinja | Guerin: i have a few quick machines, but i still use old tech, and links2 fulfils a definate need |
| 08:57.15 | Nostahl | yea i got usbmount |
| 08:57.18 | enouf | Guerin: firepoop? icecrap? ok, have fun -- but seriously, if you like it, more power to ya |
| 08:57.29 | Guerin | suppaman: oh, it must just be what they called them here, then. Bubble car, 550cc or so, seats two uncomfortably. |
| 08:57.34 | Vasistha | !start a browser war |
| 08:57.35 | dpkg | Mosaic is more user-friendly than Firebird! |
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| 08:57.56 | enouf | XUL is slower than Java, hehe .. keep trying :-p |
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| 08:58.08 | wols | dpkg: 1995 called, they want their browsers back |
| 08:58.10 | suppaman | Guerin: oh it seems a 500 |
| 08:58.15 | tristian | meh... I like FF. Didn't like opera... didn't like mozilla... Lack of plugins for epiphany (though I use it sometimes)... ie doesn't count. |
| 08:58.22 | Guerin | suppaman: something like that. You know the one I mean. |
| 08:58.35 | tristian | and I can't see piktchurz in elinks. |
| 08:58.46 | suppaman | Guerin: I own one actually |
| 08:59.03 | Guerin | suppaman: not a bad option for short-distance stuff. |
| 08:59.15 | suppaman | they're still pretty common as basement-garage stuff |
| 08:59.20 | suppaman | mine is like 32 yo |
| 08:59.35 | Penix | I've been a mozilla whore for too long |
| 08:59.44 | Guerin | but this is where the analogy fits best - you CAN use links2, if you must - in a limited, compromised sort of way. But it's not good for heavy-duty browsery. |
| 08:59.45 | enouf | anyways, if anyone wants a FAST friggin displaying GUI browser, check out links2 (use -g or xlinks2 for GUI mode) .. and be amazed - YES it takes a bit getting used to, but not even nearly as much as say Vi or emacs |
| 09:00.02 | Vasistha | Penix: you should come to the dark side and try a closed-source browser <evil laugh> |
| 09:00.04 | suppaman | Guerin: well if it's heavy duty the answer isn't a browser |
| 09:00.06 | Guerin | enouf: no tabs = no use |
| 09:00.14 | Penix | wonder if a gtk webkit browser would make me change my ways. I've never had any problems with khtml before |
| 09:00.15 | enouf | Guerin: wanna see tabs? |
| 09:00.25 | Guerin | enouf: hit meh. |
| 09:00.31 | enouf | ok, one sec |
| 09:00.33 | Andaluz | hrrmmm...is there a package list for each of the cd's? |
| 09:00.45 | simonrvn | Penix: only one i know of is epiphany's webkit backend |
| 09:00.47 | grub | !cd |
| 09:00.47 | dpkg | [cd] a Compact-Disc, or something that can hold about 650 megs, or a shiny silver thing that glitters, or a good beverage coaster, or change directory |
| 09:00.52 | Guerin | !cd contents |
| 09:00.53 | dpkg | To find out what is on what cd, use the searchable index at http://www.debian.org/CD/jigdo-cd/#search or download the .jigdo template from the same location and zless fooimage.jigdo. In the [Parts] section you will see the list of packages that are contained in the cd. Also ask me about <cd contents sarge>. |
| 09:00.58 | Andaluz | cheers :D |
| 09:01.03 | PythonNinja | Andaluz, i suspect that technology is not that advanced. sorry. |
| 09:01.10 | Andaluz | :P |
| 09:01.15 | Penix | simonrvn: yeah. I reckon another year or so from now, there's gonna be atleast a couple of decent implementations though...hopefully |
| 09:01.31 | Guerin | PythonNinja: bring it on |
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| 09:01.42 | Guerin | bah |
| 09:01.46 | simonrvn | Penix: likely; it actually works now for one thing |
| 09:01.51 | PythonNinja | Guerin: .... what? |
| 09:01.55 | Guerin | Penix: bring it on - the browser wars, v 3.0 |
| 09:01.59 | enouf | Guerin: http://tinypic.com/view.php?pic=7w4gnzm&s=1 (PLEASE ignore the actual page shown .. pan right to see my tabs, on my desktop's kicker/panel/taskbar, whatever it is) .. i took that screenshot to show a webdev how horrible his coding is ;-) |
| 09:02.01 | Penix | Guerin: fuckin oath |
| 09:02.06 | Guerin | PythonNinja: you'll soon leanr I can't type for shit |
| 09:02.18 | zl2tod | Andaluz, in case you haven't already considered it, you are probably better off doing a network install |
| 09:02.24 | PythonNinja | Guerin: hehehe, just like the rest of us you mean? |
| 09:02.32 | Andaluz | zl2tod, i need ndiswrapper |
| 09:02.33 | enouf | questions? |
| 09:02.49 | simonrvn | no |
| 09:02.55 | Andaluz | or at least the tools to compile it |
| 09:02.55 | enouf | :-) |
| 09:03.16 | Vasistha | enouf: are those the tabs to the right? |
| 09:03.18 | zl2tod | ewe |
| 09:03.20 | Guerin | enouf: that's not tabs, that's 1,000 instances. |
| 09:03.27 | simonrvn | zl2tod: baaaaaah |
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| 09:03.35 | enouf | Vasistha: they're actually minimized windows |
| 09:03.47 | enouf | but they FUNCTION as tabs |
| 09:03.49 | Guerin | enouf: i use evilwm, i hate and abhor apps which aren't entirely self-contained |
| 09:03.52 | Vasistha | enouf: uh ... no. |
| 09:03.57 | enouf | uh, yes |
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| 09:03.59 | Guerin | !lose enouf |
| 09:03.59 | dpkg | enouf: You Lose. |
| 09:04.04 | suppaman | mm that wasn't that hard |
| 09:04.09 | enouf | !penixstrike Guerin |
| 09:04.09 | dpkg | A towering Penix descends from the heavens, knocking Guerin to the ground and leaving a large wet spot. |
| 09:04.22 | suppaman | asked aptitude, read wiki page, issued 1 command in terminal |
| 09:04.24 | Vasistha | enouf: tabs mean that there is only one application window in your alt-tab list. |
| 09:04.31 | se7en | nic4u |
| 09:04.36 | suppaman | and compiz is running, but the system is pretty slow |
| 09:04.44 | Guerin | speaking of which, my wife awaits me in bed |
| 09:04.48 | Guerin | g'night kiddiwinks |
| 09:04.52 | enouf | you want me to move them to the top? to the bottom?> do they need their own bar to be called tabs? |
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| 09:05.03 | simonrvn | Guerin: g'night dude |
| 09:05.07 | enouf | Vasistha: wanna see my ps aux? |
| 09:05.20 | wols | enouf: pervert |
| 09:05.22 | Guerin | simonrvn: you too, bro. |
| 09:05.23 | Vasistha | enouf: uh, I dunno, do I? |
| 09:05.24 | enouf | Vasistha: don't test me without knowing wht in hell you're talking about |
| 09:05.25 | Vasistha | hehe |
| 09:05.39 | enouf | Vasistha: there's ONE instance running |
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| 09:05.40 | simonrvn | Guerin: welal'in ;) |
| 09:05.43 | Nostahl | what package gives me iwconfig |
| 09:05.51 | wols | Nostahl: wireless-tools |
| 09:05.52 | enouf | Vasistha: hence; properly coded |
| 09:06.09 | enouf | wols: hehe |
| 09:06.12 | Vasistha | enouf: oh ... but that's not what I care about -- I care about the fact that there are multiple windows. I don't like multiple windows. I want it all in one window :) |
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| 09:06.21 | enouf | Vasistha: it is |
| 09:06.31 | enouf | all in one window == the root window ;-) |
| 09:06.52 | enouf | Vasistha: again, on a p2 with 320MB ram, running some parts of KDE |
| 09:07.13 | enouf | Vasistha: show me off man -- i'm waiting |
| 09:07.42 | enouf | Vasistha: i can do anything to each window that you can with each of your tabs |
| 09:07.48 | Vasistha | enouf: oh, up until I got my thinkpad last month, I was using a compaq armada PII / 333 MHz with 192 MB ram, opera and kde |
| 09:08.02 | enouf | Vasistha: and that's only one DE. notice the 1 and 2 buttons |
| 09:08.14 | PythonNinja | Vasistha: i still spend plenty of time on my pentium mmx laptop, 64 meg ram |
| 09:08.27 | Vasistha | PythonNinja: laptops are so wonderul! |
| 09:08.28 | enouf | each one has 40 (or thereabouts) windows |
| 09:08.43 | PythonNinja | Vasistha: i know, work gives me a macbook pro for christmas |
| 09:08.45 | enouf | so 80 different "tabs", total |
| 09:08.53 | Vasistha | enouf: let's take it to #debian-offtopic |
| 09:09.04 | PythonNinja | going from hving a portable brick... thing... to having about 3 times my old desktop portable... BLISS! |
| 09:09.12 | Nostahl | woot got wireless working on my laptop |
| 09:09.20 | Nostahl | now i just gotta figure out why the mouse is soo slow |
| 09:09.21 | enouf | Vasistha: don;t forget the GUI irc client with many tabs. and the konsoile 10 zterms running, not to mention i can now open an mplayer file :-P |
| 09:09.33 | enouf | er s/zterms/xterms |
| 09:09.38 | Nostahl | think dpkg has some info on slow mice? |
| 09:09.38 | enouf | ok |
| 09:10.09 | Penix | Nostahl: adjust the speed or acceleration |
| 09:10.18 | Nostahl | i maxed acceleration and speed |
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| 09:10.26 | Penix | sensitivity. whatever |
| 09:10.29 | Cusoon959 | http://www.uselessblather.com/misc_files/firefox.png |
| 09:10.32 | Cusoon959 | Any help? |
| 09:10.41 | Nostahl | its like its not actualy changing the settings at all |
| 09:10.45 | Nostahl | im running xfce |
| 09:10.48 | Penix | there's an X tool to do it some more IIRC |
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| 09:12.31 | valdyn | !tell Cusoon959 -about ask |
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| 09:13.47 | aarcane_ | if root is mounted ext3 on an lvm volume, can I enlarge it while booted into it mounted read only ? |
| 09:13.52 | Nostahl | what options do i have for increasing the mouse sensitivity on my dell insprion 1000 |
| 09:14.16 | Cusoon959 | I have a problem with Firefox; I'm running Debain Etch. When I try to visit bash.org, I get this: http://www.uselessblather.com/misc_files/firefox.png. I expected it to display in a normal font. |
| 09:14.42 | twouters | Hi, I'm having this problem when starting several services/applications: symbol lookup error: /usr/lib/libavahi-client.so.3: undefined symbol: dbus_watch_get_unix_fd |
| 09:14.45 | valdyn | Nostahl: xset m <speed> <accel> |
| 09:14.50 | aarcane_ | Cusoon959, you need to install a decent assortment of fonts |
| 09:15.02 | Cusoon959 | aarcane_: hmm....is there a package that can do that? |
| 09:15.08 | twouters | Does any one know how to fix this? |
| 09:15.25 | cast | aarcane_: hmmm, i know you can enlarge it when its mounted rw |
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| 09:15.41 | Nostahl | just did xset 100 100 |
| 09:15.54 | Nostahl | do i have to restart x server for it to take effect? |
| 09:16.09 | cast | aarcane: hmmm, i know you can enlarge it when its mounted rw. having it rw sometime must be your intention as enlarging ro things is pretty pointless |
| 09:16.15 | valdyn | Cusoon959: firefox preferences allow you to pick fonts and disallow sites using their own fonts |
| 09:16.32 | Cusoon959 | valdyn: Ah, thanks |
| 09:16.35 | mbroeker | uh, i ordered a new dsl account and got my new hardware today. Ordered was a Fritzbox Router, but provider changed policy and delivered a Samsung SMT-G3010. Any comments about that router? Is it a good one? |
| 09:16.36 | aarcane | cast, yes, I keep it mounted rw, but I want to enlarge the filesystem without unmounting it. |
| 09:16.41 | valdyn | Cusoon959: but, you might need to install "msttcorefonts" from non-free to get the intended ( by the site author ) fonts |
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| 09:17.10 | Cusoon959 | ok, thanks valdyn :) |
| 09:17.20 | cast | aarcane: so its mounted rw? enlarge away! |
| 09:18.07 | aarcane | cast, really? I'd figure I'd have to mount it ro to resize it |
| 09:18.19 | valdyn | aarcane: it doesnt matter how its mounted, you can do it either way |
| 09:18.33 | aarcane | valdyn, really? |
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| 09:19.01 | valdyn | aarcane: just grow the lv first |
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| 09:20.14 | valdyn | Nostahl: can you read? please read what i said again |
| 09:20.20 | aarcane | valdyn, thanks. I just checked the resize2fs man page, and feel stupid for ever asking :P |
| 09:20.30 | suppaman | mm this compiz slows down even line scroll in the irc client |
| 09:20.58 | Cusoon959 | Package msttcorefonts is not available, but is referred to by another package. |
| 09:21.03 | valdyn | suppaman: should mainly slow down resizing of windows |
| 09:21.10 | Cusoon959 | What should I install? |
| 09:21.13 | valdyn | Cusoon959: its in non-free |
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| 09:21.16 | valdyn | !non-free |
| 09:21.16 | dpkg | non-free is probably a component which contains software that does not comply with the <DFSG>. To add non-free packages to your packages index, ask me about <non-free sources>. To see which non-free packages are installed on your system, ask me about <vrms>. For the Non-free tracking system, see http://nonfree.alioth.debian.org/ |
| 09:21.24 | Cusoon959 | valdyn: I know, non-free is enabled |
| 09:21.41 | valdyn | Cusoon959: which debian release? |
| 09:21.42 | Cusoon959 | deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ etch main non-free |
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| 09:21.45 | Cusoon959 | etch |
| 09:21.51 | valdyn | !info msttcorefonts etch |
| 09:21.54 | valdyn | !info msttcorefonts sid |
| 09:21.55 | dpkg | msttcorefonts: (Installer for Microsoft TrueType core fonts), section contrib/x11, is optional. Version: 1.8 (etch), Packaged size: 33 kB, Installed size: 208 kB |
| 09:21.56 | dpkg | msttcorefonts: (Installer for Microsoft TrueType core fonts), section contrib/x11, is optional. Version: 2.4 (sid), Packaged size: 33 kB, Installed size: 196 kB |
| 09:22.07 | valdyn | Cusoon959: oh sorry, contrib appearantly |
| 09:22.17 | Cusoon959 | thanks valdyn |
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| 09:29.26 | aarcane | cast, valdyn: thank you both. I just finished enlarging my root filesystem, and now have enough free space to finish the "task at hand" without rebooting and restarting the hours-long project. thank you ^,.,^ |
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| 09:32.38 | cast | don't you love it when people produce .rars full of .rars |
| 09:32.55 | zl2tod | rar de rar rar |
| 09:33.43 | Vasistha | how do I add a qotd |
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| 09:36.31 | zl2tod | Vasistha, /etc/motd |
| 09:36.41 | Vasistha | zl2tod: hehe, I meant for dpkg :) |
| 09:37.27 | zl2tod | heh - nfi |
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| 09:37.53 | suppama1 | compiz freezed my computer |
| 09:38.02 | cast | then don't use it. |
| 09:38.09 | suppama1 | and it was slow too |
| 09:38.31 | Cusoon959 | compiz sucks unless your system is really powerful |
| 09:38.32 | suppama1 | I mean I want a tool that feezes the computer fast, if you have a job to do, do it quick |
| 09:38.34 | Cusoon959 | So just don't use it |
| 09:38.35 | Cusoon959 | XD |
| 09:38.42 | suppama1 | it was just a try |
| 09:38.52 | cast | suppama1: the reset button. |
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| 09:41.24 | cast | oh...freezes |
| 09:41.31 | cast | i read unfreezes |
| 09:41.37 | EvilDin | how could i compile php in debian ? |
| 09:41.39 | cast | may i suggest windows then |
| 09:42.02 | suppama1 | cast: on the ibook ? sure, have you a NT ppc disc handy ? |
| 09:42.06 | cast | EvilDin: grab the source package, build deps, then build |
| 09:42.12 | liable | how does the kernel read peripheral information when drivers arent installed ie lspci and lsusb data? |
| 09:42.23 | cast | suppama1: well if its a ppc i'm confident it would only freeze faster :D |
| 09:42.51 | suppama1 | liable: the kernel dialogues directly with the bus, I think |
| 09:43.30 | liable | suppama1: it must hit registers on thje device to though cause it gets product and vendor id's. no? |
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| 09:44.05 | suppama1 | liable: probably there's a PCI standard |
| 09:44.05 | Cusoon959 | I know this is a #mplayer question... I asked there... but how do I play the video with in-mkv subs? |
| 09:44.22 | zl2tod | EvilDin, assuming that you really need to compile it ... |
| 09:44.31 | suppama1 | liable: but I'm not sure to have understood your last sentence |
| 09:44.42 | EvilDin | i need to compile php, while it doesn't work ok |
| 09:44.54 | suppama1 | EvilDin: but does it ? |
| 09:44.57 | tyler2435 | why dont you install a package? |
| 09:45.02 | EvilDin | i tried |
| 09:45.38 | tyler2435 | im debating whether to download and install debian and stay up |
| 09:45.40 | tyler2435 | or go to bed |
| 09:45.50 | suppama1 | tyler2435: what time is it there ? |
| 09:45.56 | tyler2435 | the thing is i have to download stuff like madwifi or ndiswrapper and get wireless working |
| 09:45.57 | tyler2435 | Thu Dec 27 04:45:57 2007 |
| 09:46.01 | tyler2435 | ;p |
| 09:46.03 | DawnLight | tyler2435: do it when you've got focus |
| 09:46.08 | tyler2435 | yeah |
| 09:46.10 | tyler2435 | exactly |
| 09:46.19 | DawnLight | it can wiat |
| 09:46.22 | suppama1 | bed time is almost gone at all, you should have gone sleeping long time ago |
| 09:46.25 | tyler2435 | ;o |
| 09:46.28 | tyler2435 | yeah |
| 09:46.34 | tyler2435 | http://madwifi.org/wiki/Compatibility/Atheros#AtherosAR5006EG |
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| 09:46.47 | tyler2435 | i've got to get that working if/when i decide to do it too |
| 09:46.51 | tyler2435 | or its no go |
| 09:46.57 | tyler2435 | and ive got to do something else |
| 09:47.03 | tyler2435 | because this is a laptop im doing it on |
| 09:47.08 | tyler2435 | wireless = necessity |
| 09:47.19 | tyler2435 | and i know linux and wireless go together like windows and security |
| 09:47.27 | tyler2435 | or oil and water |
| 09:47.28 | tyler2435 | etc |
| 09:47.28 | DawnLight | wake up in the evening, take a wiz, move around a little and then do it |
| 09:47.37 | tyler2435 | yeah |
| 09:47.38 | tyler2435 | lol |
| 09:47.45 | tyler2435 | thats just exactly what i might do |
| 09:47.47 | suppama1 | DawnLight: a wiz ? |
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| 09:47.51 | DawnLight | no, tyler2435. wireless works when the driver works |
| 09:47.58 | tyler2435 | well |
| 09:48.02 | tyler2435 | will the driver work? :P |
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| 09:48.14 | tyler2435 | linux + wireless = bitch |
| 09:48.19 | tyler2435 | in my experience at least |
| 09:48.19 | tyler2435 | heh |
| 09:48.29 | DawnLight | my atheros works |
| 09:48.32 | tyler2435 | good |
| 09:48.38 | tyler2435 | hopefully i can get it working then |
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| 09:48.45 | tyler2435 | so hmm |
| 09:48.46 | DawnLight | lspci? |
| 09:48.55 | tyler2435 | its pretty blank right now |
| 09:48.57 | tyler2435 | lol |
| 09:49.07 | tyler2435 | as in, the hard drive |
| 09:49.16 | tyler2435 | i had bsd on it, but no |
| 09:49.23 | DawnLight | do you know the chip? |
| 09:49.44 | tyler2435 | chipset? |
| 09:50.02 | DawnLight | 00:0d.0 Ethernet controller: Atheros Communications, Inc. AR5212 802.11abg NIC (rev 01) |
| 09:50.12 | tyler2435 | AR2423 |
| 09:50.36 | liable | go to madwifi.org and see if its supported, i think not |
| 09:50.41 | tyler2435 | it is |
| 09:50.44 | tyler2435 | http://madwifi.org/wiki/Compatibility/Atheros#AtherosAR5006EG |
| 09:50.45 | tyler2435 | heh |
| 09:51.28 | DawnLight | looks promising |
| 09:51.37 | tyler2435 | i hope |
| 09:51.44 | telmich | it is supported |
| 09:51.44 | tyler2435 | i don't want to spend 3h getting wireless working |
| 09:51.56 | telmich | works pretty good, with openhal and also the other one |
| 09:52.04 | Vasistha | tyler2435: m-a a-i worked for me :) |
| 09:52.11 | tyler2435 | awesome :) |
| 09:52.17 | tyler2435 | hopefully it wont be much trouble then |
| 09:52.18 | enouf | Vasistha: please do this for me, open 80 opera "windows" ;-) |
| 09:52.35 | enouf | when you can |
| 09:52.44 | Vasistha | enouf: want to give me a list of url's? |
| 09:52.53 | enouf | of what? |
| 09:53.10 | Vasistha | enouf: web addresses. sites to surf to. |
| 09:53.31 | tyler2435 | how long does a base debian install take? |
| 09:53.39 | DawnLight | 60 years |
| 09:53.40 | tyler2435 | using the image w/ the packages on it already |
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| 09:53.43 | Vasistha | enouf: the thing is ... I don't use that many. If I did, and if it was a problem, maybe I would use another browser. But I don't need to have 80 windows open. To each his own, dude! |
| 09:53.46 | enouf | just use windows instead of tabs |
| 09:54.14 | enouf | try it, i'm curious |
| 09:54.18 | tyler2435 | or run a forkbomb |
| 09:54.24 | tyler2435 | and get the equivelant results |
| 09:54.25 | enouf | lol |
| 09:54.36 | tyler2435 | actually you could potentially handle 80 browser window |
| 09:54.38 | tyler2435 | windows* |
| 09:54.54 | enouf | links2 -g ftw |
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| 09:55.05 | zl2tod | tyler2435, depends largely on your pipe ... should be under an hour to reboot into your new system |
| 09:55.06 | enouf | i have now |
| 09:55.16 | tyler2435 | well zl2tod |
| 09:55.20 | tyler2435 | i mean networkless |
| 09:55.26 | enouf | on 320MB ram |
| 09:55.27 | Vasistha | enouf: I held down ctrl-alt-n and opene 95 windows. they don't have any url in them, but memory usage didn't increase, and the opening was basically instantaneous |
| 09:55.28 | zl2tod | unclean |
| 09:55.51 | enouf | Vasistha: sillly |
| 09:55.59 | enouf | i can do the same |
| 09:56.15 | xingu | liable: vendor and device id are mandatory (peripheral) registers per spec |
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| 09:57.04 | enouf | Vasistha: how much RAM you have? |
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| 09:57.24 | katyush-free | is mozilla suite =ice ape? |
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| 09:57.33 | Vasistha | enouf: now? 1.5 G. previously, 192 M |
| 09:57.50 | Chile` | tyler2435: the install largely depends on how big your HD is, if you encrypt it or not, & how much shit you install. |
| 09:57.52 | enouf | Vasistha: previous == bullshit |
| 09:58.18 | enouf | Vasistha: /me now == 320MB |
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| 09:58.42 | enouf | on a p2 |
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| 09:59.25 | enouf | show me up homey .. go ahead and try |
| 09:59.58 | xingu | enouf: you've not been tempted to treat yourself to an olpc system? ;) |
| 10:00.05 | robr | hi there, im using debian 4.0, i've just installed php5 and apache2. when im testing a site the 1st page load is very slow 2 seconds or so but when i reload the page its approx .02 seconds. Is there something I should remove from the apache conf to speed it up? |
| 10:00.27 | Chile` | robr: define site |
| 10:00.28 | tyler2435 | maybe because stuff is cached? |
| 10:00.30 | Chile` | robr: is this a php page? |
| 10:00.35 | tyler2435 | depending what content you hae |
| 10:00.37 | tyler2435 | have* |
| 10:00.55 | robr | yes its a php5. its just some simple mysql calls. there is no cache system in the php site |
| 10:01.05 | tyler2435 | ah |
| 10:01.06 | Chile` | there are different things. apache caches stuff, php caches stuff, your browser caches stuff |
| 10:01.21 | tyler2435 | im just so god damn tired |
| 10:01.23 | zl2tod | and mysql is a bit slow on the first few accesses |
| 10:01.25 | Chile` | some of that may be the processes waking up |
| 10:01.27 | Chile` | right |
| 10:01.37 | tyler2435 | when i wake up ill do the fresh install and get wireless going |
| 10:01.37 | tyler2435 | nn |
| 10:01.42 | Chile` | they may have had stuff paged out to disk |
| 10:01.57 | enouf | ok --> eats |
| 10:02.10 | robr | when i open firefox and load the site, its 2 seconds, do some refreshes, its normally around .02 seconds. close firefox and the same, 2 second 1st load. 02 for refreshes, v.strange |
| 10:02.42 | Chile` | what happens with a static html page? what happens with <? phpinfo(); ?> ? |
| 10:02.59 | Chile` | anyway, it's way past bedtime for me, but good luck |
| 10:03.05 | robr | thanks chile |
| 10:03.05 | Chile` | debugging bottlenecks sucks |
| 10:03.14 | robr | it does :) |
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| 10:03.22 | tyler2435 | s -m irc.socamx.net |
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| 10:03.24 | tyler2435 | er |
| 10:03.25 | tyler2435 | whoops |
| 10:04.22 | robr | ah, phpinfo is really fast. so I'm guessing that points to it being something to do with the sites code itself? |
| 10:05.20 | zl2tod | sorta leaves mysql |
| 10:05.33 | zl2tod | or paging |
| 10:05.41 | robr | yeah seems to, perhaps something to do with establisting the 1st connection to mysql |
| 10:06.25 | zl2tod | it may read the entire database into ram too |
| 10:06.46 | zl2tod | is it using swap ? |
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| 10:07.20 | robr | sorry i'm really new to linux, i just did a default install, so not sure. what ever was the default option for the partitions |
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| 10:08.12 | zl2tod | top will show you which tasks are busiest and give you an idea of memory usage |
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| 10:08.35 | robr | ok thanks |
| 10:08.43 | zl2tod | robr, you might want to put in some code to print the time before and after the mysql calls |
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| 10:09.36 | robr | zl2tod: it's a good point but to me it seems to be something to do with the page initialisation, im guessing it might be mysql establishing a query cache ? not sure |
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| 10:10.41 | dimir | Morning! |
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| 10:12.22 | suppama1 | nice, backports done |
| 10:12.43 | suppama1 | "You're graphic card doesn't doesn't have enough memory to launch Warsow." |
| 10:12.46 | suppama1 | You're ? |
| 10:12.54 | Appiah | ;) |
| 10:13.17 | suppama1 | and it has 32Mb ram, how many megs are needed for a q2 based engine ?? |
| 10:13.34 | suppama1 | I mean I can run Q3 |
| 10:14.27 | robr | thx for the help guys |
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| 10:15.34 | Orfeous | hello everyone! |
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| 10:15.59 | Orfeous | i am wondering if there are any easy and good type of backupsoftware or something? |
| 10:16.14 | cast | or something. |
| 10:16.22 | cast | yes, there are Orfeous. |
| 10:16.26 | Orfeous | maybe the best method is tar and crontab |
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| 10:16.50 | cast | sometimes it is |
| 10:16.58 | zl2tod | Orfeous, rsync is rather cool |
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| 10:17.32 | Orfeous | i think i will take a ghost image of the working system.. then make a script that backups configuration files every day or week and only compress the changed files. |
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| 10:17.48 | Orfeous | zl2tod: never used rsync |
| 10:18.14 | tyler2435 | i've always just rsync'ed stuff |
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| 10:18.23 | tyler2435 | rsnyc is god damn easy |
| 10:18.26 | Nostahl | woot igot my mouse nice and speedy |
| 10:18.27 | tyler2435 | no harder than scp |
| 10:18.41 | Orfeous | please give me an example of rsync |
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| 10:18.45 | tyler2435 | 1s |
| 10:18.56 | Orfeous | i want to store the files on a harddisk |
| 10:19.00 | Orfeous | locally |
| 10:19.08 | tyler2435 | oh locally |
| 10:19.19 | tyler2435 | then use cp |
| 10:19.19 | tyler2435 | .. |
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| 10:19.24 | Orfeous | just on a separate disk |
| 10:19.39 | tyler2435 | make a bash script thatll mount cp all your stuff over |
| 10:19.54 | tyler2435 | i GUESS you could technically rsync it |
| 10:20.01 | Orfeous | yes thats why i was wondering to make a crontab with tar |
| 10:20.10 | tyler2435 | maybe |
| 10:20.15 | tyler2435 | idk if you can rsync locally |
| 10:20.22 | tyler2435 | as far as the backups go locally |
| 10:20.25 | zl2tod | rsync should still work locally, and won't copy stuff that hasn't changed, so it won;t take anything like as long as cp |
| 10:20.27 | tyler2435 | make a shell script |
| 10:20.28 | eth01 | just mount the image to a seperate hdd |
| 10:20.31 | tyler2435 | crontab it |
| 10:20.37 | tyler2435 | yeah zl2tod - thats the point, so good |
| 10:20.39 | tyler2435 | there you go |
| 10:20.41 | tyler2435 | rsync it |
| 10:20.57 | eth01 | rsync is dodgey ... |
| 10:20.59 | Orfeous | take it slow now :D |
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| 10:21.58 | Orfeous | http://samba.anu.edu.au/rsync/examples.html |
| 10:21.59 | Orfeous | aha |
| 10:22.03 | Orfeous | "backup to a spare disk" |
| 10:22.24 | eth01 | i'd use NAS, and setup a VPN between the two. |
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| 10:22.40 | Nostahl | what does debian usualy list flash drives as |
| 10:22.48 | eth01 | rtfm. |
| 10:22.59 | Orfeous | eth01: i have been thought about it |
| 10:23.06 | tyler2435 | well there you go |
| 10:23.06 | Orfeous | retroaspect |
| 10:23.07 | tyler2435 | okay |
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| 10:23.10 | tyler2435 | like i said im tired |
| 10:23.11 | tyler2435 | nn |
| 10:23.22 | perfector | from where can i download libdvdcss2 and similar multimedia packages?? |
| 10:23.46 | eth01 | apt-cache search |
| 10:23.46 | eth01 | and |
| 10:23.49 | eth01 | apt-get install |
| 10:24.01 | Orfeous | Nostahl: like sg or sd drives i think |
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| 10:24.11 | perfector | eth01: i do not have any internet connection on the machine ill be installing this |
| 10:24.34 | perfector | eth01: ill have to manually download this here and install it on that machine |
| 10:24.39 | eth01 | download it from another machine with an "internet connection" then ... |
| 10:24.48 | eth01 | go onto packages.debian.org then. |
| 10:25.07 | eth01 | download it in .deb |
| 10:25.11 | eth01 | use dpkg |
| 10:25.14 | cast | !d-m |
| 10:25.15 | dpkg | rumour has it, debian-multimedia is a repository of unofficial Debian packages, not in Debian for various legal reasons, maintained by Christian Marillat. For instructions to add APT sources, ask me about <debian-multimedia.etch>. |
| 10:25.15 | Nostahl | what is it that auto makes an icon on the desktop when you stick in a flash drive like in some other forms of linux |
| 10:25.29 | cast | ^pretty sure you'll find it there perfector |
| 10:25.55 | enouf | Nostahl: try gnome-volume-manager |
| 10:25.58 | eth01 | he doesn't have an internet connection, thats why i suggested packages @ debian. *sigh* |
| 10:26.04 | eth01 | i wish some people would read along properly. |
| 10:26.05 | perfector | eth01: will i get all the all the packages to play all my videos and music cast |
| 10:26.20 | Nostahl | enouf what can i do if i have xfce |
| 10:26.31 | eth01 | you said you needed that 1 package... |
| 10:26.40 | enouf | Nostahl: read the docs |
| 10:27.01 | Nostahl | where? |
| 10:27.04 | perfector | eth01: casti know i need libdvdcss2.. which other ones do i require? boy the troubles of not being connected to the internet |
| 10:27.05 | cast | perfector: from there, you can, to play most videos and music. |
| 10:27.37 | cast | perfector: look at info for the mplayer package on d-m, itll list lots of useful stuff i ints deps/recommended/suggested |
| 10:27.43 | enouf | Nostahl: dpkg -L <pkgname> |
| 10:27.44 | cast | its* |
| 10:28.27 | eth01 | http://ftp.debian-unofficial.org/debian/pool/main/libd/libdvdcss/ |
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| 10:28.49 | Cusoon959 | Is there a way to cat a file into the clipboard? |
| 10:28.51 | Cusoon959 | a command? |
| 10:28.54 | eth01 | echo |
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| 10:29.06 | Cusoon959 | what? |
| 10:29.10 | Nostahl | k dpkg says its for gnome |
| 10:29.14 | eth01 | use echo. |
| 10:29.19 | Appiah | echo to what? |
| 10:29.20 | Nostahl | do you guys know of a volume manager for xfce? |
| 10:29.20 | Cusoon959 | How would I use echo to cat into the clipboard? |
| 10:29.40 | enouf | xclip? |
| 10:29.41 | eth01 | man echo |
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| 10:30.30 | enouf | Nostahl: tried #xfce? #xfce4? whatver |
| 10:31.26 | Appiah | I guess xclip can do the job Cusoon959 |
| 10:31.34 | Cusoon959 | Appiah: thanks |
| 10:31.41 | enouf | Cusoon959: in links2 i just ctrl+z == done |
| 10:32.00 | Cusoon959 | enouf: links2? |
| 10:32.11 | enouf | fast browser |
| 10:32.17 | enouf | light |
| 10:32.34 | enouf | one ELF |
| 10:33.00 | suppama1 | one ELF as opposite to ? |
| 10:33.05 | suppama1 | two XCOFF ? |
| 10:33.21 | enouf | 5000 dependent libraries |
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| 10:34.07 | suppama1 | do you know how to increase GL_MAX_TEXTURE_SIZE ? |
| 10:34.10 | enouf | links2 is to web browsing -as- ShamWoW is to water :-P |
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| 10:34.23 | suppama1 | glxinfo reports 1024 and warsow is asking for 2048 |
| 10:34.27 | suppama1 | !Shamwow |
| 10:34.35 | suppama1 | tsk |
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| 10:34.53 | enouf | suppama1: name me one browser that's a stand-alone binary |
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| 10:35.28 | enouf | suppama1: ?? |
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| 10:36.06 | enouf | huuuu llloooooooooooo |
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| 10:37.49 | suppama1 | enouf: I don't know any, I never digged the browser thing |
| 10:38.08 | amphi | g'day enouf ;) |
| 10:38.13 | suppama1 | I'm trying to launch a tab in gnome-terminal, i.e. preventing a new window from appear |
| 10:38.29 | enouf | amphi: ;) |
| 10:38.45 | enouf | amphi: i'm passing out now |
| 10:38.51 | amphi | heh |
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| 10:40.26 | flinx | Hi! I want to configure desktop on vserver's guest OS. There is possible to install only basic system on vserver's guest os. |
| 10:40.59 | flinx | I tried to install desktop apps on basic debian with tasksel. |
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| 10:41.21 | flinx | But tasksel is getting ALL packages fro Internet. |
| 10:41.34 | jahshua | hello |
| 10:41.37 | flinx | How to tell tasktell to get packages from DVD's |
| 10:41.43 | flinx | ??? |
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| 10:42.57 | jahshua | i would like to be able to tab complete the update and dist-upgrade parts when i run apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade, can anyone help me out? my old debian install did this for me but i am not sure how i set it up, or, if i even did. |
| 10:43.03 | Airbottle | change the sources in sources.list flinx? |
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| 10:44.32 | flinx | Airbottle: all dvd's are in sources.list |
| 10:44.51 | flinx | Airbottle: i added it with apt-cdrom add |
| 10:44.57 | Airbottle | and if you outcomment the internet sources? |
| 10:45.02 | zl2tod | jahshua, i don't uderstand the "tab complete" part of your question, but you probably end up with less broken systems if you apt-get safe-upgrade rather than dist-upgrade |
| 10:46.40 | zl2tod | flinx, many packages will be newer on the network servers than on the dvd so apt will grab those unless you beat it severely |
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| 10:47.07 | flinx | Airbottle: yes. Is tasksel using debian packages database, same as aptitude, right? |
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| 10:49.34 | flinx | Is tasksel using debian packages database, same as aptitude, right? |
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| 10:53.57 | VImtermute | hello |
| 10:54.05 | xk | hm |
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| 10:54.39 | VImtermute | iceweasel segfaults randomly!! help!!!11one </retard> |
| 10:54.47 | VImtermute | no, really |
| 10:55.03 | xk | VImtermute: hah. i'm having problems with afterstep borking itself, rendering the mouse useless. |
| 10:55.12 | gengis | hi, since i upgrade my debian, i cannot use my nic eth0, an ifconfig eth0 doesn't show inet addr but only inet6 addr. any idea? |
| 10:55.14 | xk | gotta love X |
| 10:55.39 | VImtermute | xk, heh yeah |
| 10:56.18 | xk | gengis: check /etc/network/interfaces... anything set for eth0? |
| 10:56.28 | gengis | of course :) |
| 10:56.32 | gengis | i never change it |
| 10:56.45 | xk | hmmm.... |
| 10:56.46 | gengis | seem to be a prob with ipv6??? |
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| 10:57.16 | gengis | if i use ifconfig eth0 up, i see link becomes ready and nothing more happen |
| 10:57.23 | xk | gengis: kernel was upgraded? |
| 10:57.26 | gengis | yes |
| 10:57.42 | xk | eth0 set for static or dhcp? |
| 10:57.47 | gengis | static |
| 10:58.08 | mosty | gengis: does eth0 have an address set? |
| 10:58.12 | gengis | iface eth0 inet static |
| 10:58.21 | gengis | addre |
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| 10:58.58 | gengis | address x.x.x.x netmask x.x.x.x .... |
| 11:00.12 | xk | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:00.17 | xk | and ifconfig |
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| 11:00.32 | gengis | an ifconfig eth0 up gives : ADDRCONF(NETDEV_CHANGE) : eth0 : link becomes ready _ and nothing more happen |
| 11:01.00 | mosty | gengis: do "ifup eth0", not ifconfig eth0 up |
| 11:01.01 | gengis | ifconfig show everything except inet addr |
| 11:01.23 | gengis | :) |
| 11:01.24 | gengis | yes |
| 11:01.33 | gengis | you get it mosty |
| 11:01.34 | gengis | :) |
| 11:01.44 | gengis | but what is the difference? |
| 11:02.03 | xk | ifup reads the interfaces file |
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| 11:02.05 | mosty | gengis: ifup calls ifconfig with the settings from your interfaces file |
| 11:02.15 | gengis | :) |
| 11:02.46 | xk | hmm |
| 11:03.01 | gengis | xk & mosty : thanks a lot for you explanations and to give me a quick solution |
| 11:03.12 | gengis | i will remember |
| 11:03.14 | gengis | :) |
| 11:04.18 | gengis | just another simple question : at startup eth0 doesn't come up, what command should i write and in which file? |
| 11:04.27 | gengis | sorry for noob question... |
| 11:04.46 | xk | gengis: add "auto eth0" to the interfaces file. |
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| 11:05.24 | xk | gengis: preferably one line before the iface eth0 line. (that's my preference anyway) |
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| 11:06.07 | gengis | nice i just try now |
| 11:06.10 | gengis | :) |
| 11:06.16 | xk | can anyone suggest to me a WM that's as close as possible to afterstep v1? (afterstep v2 sucks) |
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| 11:06.34 | gengis | thank you a lot for your good help |
| 11:06.38 | gengis | bye |
| 11:07.18 | mosty | xk: fvwm can be configured to look very similar to afterstep v1 |
| 11:07.37 | xk | mosty: heh. that's what I used before afterstep. |
| 11:07.41 | VImtermute | ha |
| 11:07.58 | VImtermute | xk, fluxbox!! (automatic response to anything WM-related) |
| 11:08.07 | xk | afterstep v1 doesn't seem to work correctly with a kernel newer than 2.6.17 :( |
| 11:08.25 | xk | and v2 has eventually given up the ghost (crashes after 2 minutes) |
| 11:08.53 | mosty | xk: i haven't used afterstep in a few years now, i used to compile it myself after debian moved to aftersetp v2 which i agree is terrible |
| 11:09.03 | xk | v2 is WORSE than anything |
| 11:09.22 | xk | v1 loads up INSTANTLY |
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| 11:09.53 | xk | I could revert back to v1... but I would be forever stuck with 2.6.17, heh. |
| 11:10.57 | mosty | i have no idea why afterstep v1 wouldn't run with a particular kernel version |
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| 11:11.02 | xk | well... if there is any WM that has support for virtual desktops... (like AS's pager) |
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| 11:11.34 | cast | never used afterstep, what do you mean virtual desktop? |
| 11:11.35 | xk | mosty: well... it does run... but it has _weird_ behaviour with the Pager (takes ~1-2 seconds to redraw desktop after change) |
| 11:11.45 | xk | randomly (more like 50% of the time) |
| 11:12.06 | xk | which I believe is scheduler related. |
| 11:12.21 | mosty | xk, i never bothered using the pager personally |
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| 11:13.20 | xk | I could try again with the latest kernel... and downgrade... but I don't want to risk failing again ;( |
| 11:13.53 | xk | hmm... |
| 11:14.10 | xk | using linux seems to be more difficult than in the old days :( |
| 11:15.20 | unix_infidel | xk: users demand more features. |
| 11:15.26 | VImtermute | xk, ironic, isn't it :) |
| 11:15.26 | unix_infidel | more attractive user interfaces. |
| 11:15.40 | unix_infidel | more functional programs. |
| 11:15.40 | xk | hmmm |
| 11:15.56 | xk | ahh... that's what I hated about the newer kernel |
| 11:16.09 | xk | I couldn't force it to load my analog tv card BEFORE my digital tv card |
| 11:16.22 | xk | or... load analog as 0, digital as 1 |
| 11:16.31 | newdeb | anyone here that can help me solve an alsa problem in etch? I use a envy24ht-based pci soundcard, the drivers load fine and players (xmms, aplay) seem to work (no errors), but I get no sound. hardware is ok (worked fine in other distro). how to attack that one? |
| 11:16.36 | xk | whoever changed that behaviour should be shot. |
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| 11:17.56 | xk | heh |
| 11:18.04 | xk | ever since upgrading to etch, flash + sound has never worked for me. |
| 11:18.07 | xk | what an upgrade! |
| 11:18.18 | xk | things just gets worse and worse |
| 11:18.28 | newdeb | :) |
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| 11:19.05 | cast | well, flash does suck pretty hard. |
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| 11:19.09 | Yancho | how can i know what is the latest wine package on apt ? #wine is telling me that my wine is 26 versions older than the current one :| |
| 11:19.44 | cast | Yancho: packages.debian.org or apt-cache search |
| 11:19.57 | xk | hmm... |
| 11:20.02 | Yancho | thanks cast |
| 11:20.10 | xk | ok... what stock debian kernel supports K8? |
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| 11:20.32 | xk | er, AMD K8 cpu. |
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| 11:20.48 | xk | i'll try a stock kernel before I waste 1 hour compiling a custom one |
| 11:20.50 | jahshua | i would like to be able to tab complete the update and dist-upgrade parts when i run apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade, can anyone help me out? my old debian install did this for me but i am not sure how i set it up, or, if i even did. |
| 11:21.30 | cast | xk: there's a amd64 one |
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| 11:21.56 | xk | jahshua: how? create a filename called "update" and "dist-upgrade" in your path ;) and perhaps make sure it's executable (+x)... that's one hackish way to do it. |
| 11:22.03 | cast | http://packages.debian.org/etch/linux-image-amd64 |
| 11:22.11 | xk | cast: that will cause no problems running 32bit stuff? |
| 11:22.14 | jahshua | xk: hehe :p |
| 11:22.14 | cast | jahshua: ask in #bash of #zsh |
| 11:22.26 | cast | xk: well its in the 32bit port isn't it ;P |
| 11:22.31 | xk | no idea :) |
| 11:22.33 | cast | xk: it will run fun. |
| 11:22.35 | cast | fine* |
| 11:23.12 | VImtermute | ruin* |
| 11:23.24 | cast | Yancho: i installed wine from source into /usr/local/stow/wine FWIW, seemd to work well for me |
| 11:24.19 | Yancho | thanks cast |
| 11:24.34 | ft | jahshua: zsh does that out of the box, if you loaded compsys. bash needs to load /etc/bash_completion or something like that, AFAIK. |
| 11:24.40 | mosty | i have a debian machine with /boot on /dev/md0 which is made up of /dev/sda1 and /dev/sdb1. when i do grub-install on any of those devices, it says The file /boot/grub/stage1 not read correctly. - what is going wrong and how do i fix it? |
| 11:26.12 | xk | hmmmm |
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| 11:27.37 | jahshua | thanks ft. |
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| 11:29.32 | xk | jahshua: edit /etc/bash.bashrc, uncomment out the block that involves completion. then ". /etc/bash.bashrc" or logout/login. |
| 11:29.51 | xk | learn something new every day ;) |
| 11:29.55 | jahshua | :) |
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| 11:32.05 | creative | can i install amd64-optimized kernel on a 32bit sid ? |
| 11:32.38 | xk | ok, gonna reboot into 2.6.22... and watch my box crash and crumble with nothing working. |
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| 11:32.46 | Penix | creative: afaik, yes |
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| 11:34.38 | bravvve | hi |
| 11:35.01 | peter_ | there was etch packages update? |
| 11:35.11 | Yancho | i am trying to upgrade wine but is giving me this error : http://yancho.pastebin.com/d4019489a |
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| 11:35.48 | bravvve | the runtime java is installed but the mozilla do not detect it |
| 11:36.12 | xk | ok... now this is interesting... |
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| 11:36.46 | bravvve | any one for help |
| 11:36.51 | cast | Yancho: where did the .deb come from? |
| 11:37.09 | Yancho | from the official site of wine |
| 11:37.17 | cast | !wine |
| 11:37.17 | dpkg | well, wine is packaged in the 'wine' package. http://www.winehq.com/ or #winehq (irc.freenode.net). Stands for Wine Is Not an Emulator. A buggy alternative win32 API, or a tasty alcoholic beverage. |
| 11:37.17 | xk | every damn kernel has something called differently. |
| 11:37.22 | cast | hmm |
| 11:37.27 | cast | Yancho: don't use their debs |
| 11:37.31 | cast | Yancho: they are broken. |
| 11:37.33 | Yancho | y not cast? |
| 11:37.40 | Yancho | hmm ic |
| 11:37.51 | Yancho | what do u suggest i use? compile from source? |
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| 11:37.54 | Andaluz | it stands for wine is not an emulator? |
| 11:38.05 | Andaluz | then what does the wine in the acronym stand for/ |
| 11:38.09 | cast | Yancho: that's how i'd do it, each to their own |
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| 11:38.13 | Andaluz | lol |
| 11:38.13 | Andaluz | PARADOX |
| 11:38.26 | cast | Andaluz: but it isn't... |
| 11:38.39 | xk | ok... is it possible to change the console resolution once the system is booted? |
| 11:38.41 | bravvve | Andaluz:u wan to run windows applications under linux? |
| 11:38.43 | Andaluz | cast, i'm commenting on the acronym being in the acronym |
| 11:38.52 | cast | Andaluz: how is that a paradox? |
| 11:38.55 | Andaluz | that's like FBI standing for FBI Beuro of Investigation |
| 11:39.12 | cast | Andaluz: that's recursion... |
| 11:39.17 | Andaluz | don't mind me i'm a grammar nazi lol |
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| 11:39.34 | reZo_ | whats the package for curl.h? |
| 11:39.43 | cast | reZo_: apt-files search |
| 11:39.51 | reZo_ | doesn't list the package |
| 11:39.55 | cast | reZo_: apt-file search, i mean :) |
| 11:39.55 | flinx | exit |
| 11:40.16 | reZo_ | apt-file no such command |
| 11:40.37 | reZo_ | installing apt-file hehe |
| 11:40.44 | cast | :) |
| 11:40.46 | reZo_ | apt-get install apt-file looks like a funny command lol |
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| 11:41.09 | reZo_ | no output :( |
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| 11:41.21 | cast | man apt-file ... |
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| 11:41.39 | fungo | how do i install a specific version of a program? i would like to install nvidia unstable drivers to enjoy compiz |
| 11:42.52 | xk | bah. |
| 11:45.16 | dagobart | I've got a Compaq ML570 here with a RAID5 (4 disks a ~20 GB). I just begun to netinstall Debian Etch (4.0) on it. It goes to the moment the system gets bootet first time -- grub shows up, loads -- bang, shell. Any idea how to get the system booted? |
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| 11:47.04 | epsilon | please be more vebose than "loads -- bang, shell" |
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| 11:47.25 | fungo | maybe he's talking about single user shell |
| 11:47.32 | fungo | dagobart does it ask for a password? |
| 11:47.52 | dagobart | fungo: no, nothing asks for a password. |
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| 11:48.34 | epsilon | does it detect your RAID card, does it copy files on the RAID, any error message, log... |
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| 11:49.32 | dagobart | epsilon: erm, it's not my machine, I am not used to it, especially not to any RAID. ... |
| 11:49.52 | dagobart | epsilon: the reaid starts, yes, |
| 11:49.52 | eth01 | whats dummy0 in interfaces? |
| 11:50.02 | neotic | dummy net |
| 11:50.15 | dagobart | epsilon: but Debian does not get launched. The only think that boots is grub |
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| 11:50.37 | dagobart | *g |
| 11:50.48 | epsilon | well grub is on the raid... |
| 11:51.37 | dagobart | epsilon: it's a raid of 4 disks of about 18 GB each, during installing Debian, it looked like being a single disk of about 50 GB |
| 11:52.23 | epsilon | 3x18GB |
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| 11:54.34 | berzerka | suppose i have data on a lvm2 logical volume, and destroyed the boot sector on that disk. will i be able to restore the data? (by non-forensic means) |
| 11:55.20 | dagobart | epsilon: if grub is on the raid, the kernel should be there too, shouldn't it? How can I check whether the kernel is really there? |
| 11:55.45 | imagelife | hello, is debian 4.0 r2 released ? |
| 11:55.50 | epsilon | yes |
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| 11:56.13 | epsilon | inclnew apache, libc6, kernel, debconf... |
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| 11:56.40 | imagelife | epsilon to me ? |
| 11:56.46 | epsilon | yes |
| 11:56.55 | imagelife | thanks ! |
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| 11:57.29 | Yancho | anyone can help me please : i did apt-get remove wine and had no errors .. then apt-get install wine and this is what i am getting : http://rafb.net/p/aqtf3K38.html |
| 11:58.13 | imagelife | oh ,i mean i didnt believe it released before ,now i see ! |
| 11:58.17 | epsilon | try apt-get remove --purge wine |
| 11:58.54 | Yancho | epsilon : Package wine is not installed, so not removed |
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| 11:59.18 | epsilon | well delete then the blocking file manually and retry |
| 11:59.37 | epsilon | as long the file belongs to a package and get reinstalled, no big deal |
| 11:59.44 | dagobart | epsilon: you're still with me on the RAID issue...? |
| 11:59.52 | Yancho | epsilon rm /usr/lib/wine/msacm32.drv.so ? |
| 12:00.10 | epsilon | Yancho: or mv |
| 12:00.38 | fungo | is unstable for desktop use crashing too much? |
| 12:00.44 | fungo | i would like to enjoy compiz and that neat stuff |
| 12:00.55 | Yancho | ok thanks did it epsilon .. trying to reinstall |
| 12:01.49 | epsilon | fungo: compiz is already in etch |
| 12:01.58 | Yancho | epsilon : jpulis@debian:~$ sudo mv /usr/lib/wine/msacm32.drv.so /usr/lib/wine/msacm32.drv.so.BKP |
| 12:02.17 | Yancho | trying to overwrite `/usr/lib/wine/msacm32.drv.so', which is also in package libwine |
| 12:02.22 | epsilon | fungo: and I won't recommend unstable only to enjoy compiz fusion |
| 12:02.23 | fungo | epsilon yes it is, but i can't start it (i have a nvidia card), it doesn't show any border |
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| 12:02.41 | fungo | could you take a look on my xorg.conf? |
| 12:02.48 | fungo | maybe i'm doing something stupid |
| 12:03.00 | imagelife | haha |
| 12:04.13 | mosty | i have a debian machine with /boot on /dev/md0 which is made up of /dev/sda1 and /dev/sdb1. when i do grub-install on any of those devices, it says The file /boot/grub/stage1 not read correctly. - what is going wrong and how do i fix it? |
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| 12:04.26 | epsilon | Yancho: Package wine != libwine |
| 12:04.32 | cast | mosty: does grub do raid? |
| 12:04.37 | dagobart | after booting, I get into grub, then no Linux boot, but that minimal shell grub itself offers. Hence no logs at all. The shell's a bit too small (for me) to get Linux booted at all. Any suggestions? |
| 12:04.47 | Yancho | yes i know epsilon |
| 12:04.55 | Yancho | should i try to remove libwine too ? |
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| 12:05.23 | mosty | cast, i have several machines running grub on a raid1'ed /boot, so yes |
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| 12:07.30 | epsilon | raid1, yes. not other level |
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| 12:08.24 | mosty | epsilon, that's fine, i don't need grub to work on anything but raid1, but i cannot seem to get it installed here for some reason |
| 12:08.35 | epsilon | but eve if you have RAID5, you can create separate small RAID1 for /boot |
| 12:09.41 | mosty | epsilon, i have a separate raid1 for /boot already. / is a separate raid1 |
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| 12:11.59 | mosty | epsilon, i am chrooted into my / and /boot is mounted within the chroot. then i do grub-install /dev/md0 and i get that error |
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| 12:14.10 | xk | hmmm |
| 12:14.50 | xk | xawtv not working right.... |
| 12:15.03 | xk | ioctl32(xawtv:5100): Unknown cmd fd(4) cmd(80585600){t:'V';sz:88} arg(080ae1b0) on /dev/video0 |
| 12:15.57 | epsilon | mosty: sorry which error? |
| 12:17.40 | mosty | epsilon, The file /boot/grub/stage1 not read correctly. |
| 12:19.50 | Internat | oooo |
| 12:19.53 | Internat | new debian update |
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| 12:21.34 | Blapto | Hello |
| 12:21.37 | xk | bah. |
| 12:22.07 | Blapto | Does anybody feel like helping me out with an X11 related problem? |
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| 12:22.57 | streuner_ | !+tell Blapto -about ask |
| 12:22.57 | dpkg | told Blapto about ask. |
| 12:23.19 | Blapto | okeydokey |
| 12:23.27 | streuner_ | !wb xk |
| 12:23.28 | dpkg | O frabjous day! Callooh! Callay! xk has returned! |
| 12:24.13 | Blapto | I'm running sid, dist-upgraded today. Last week (christmas eve) I turned the box off. Today, when powered up, the monitor is out of focus in certain areas, and moirey all over. |
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| 12:24.45 | Blapto | I've put the correct range in /etc/vga/libvga.config which is where it looks like it should live. |
| 12:24.57 | Blapto | This didn't solve the issue, obviously. |
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| 12:25.24 | Blapto | As far as I can tell, nothing other than packages has changed since it was working on the 24th. Help! |
| 12:25.52 | streuner_ | xk: everything ok? |
| 12:25.58 | KomiaPoika | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:26.07 | streuner_ | <PROTECTED> |
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| 12:26.20 | KomiaPoika | Vasi |
| 12:26.26 | Blapto | As an aside, the monitor works fine on a laptop running Windows (ick) |
| 12:27.12 | streuner_ | hm |
| 12:27.25 | streuner_ | Blapto: /msg dpkg sid faq |
| 12:27.38 | streuner_ | Blapto: never heard of libvga.config |
| 12:27.54 | Blapto | Ah, I appear to have one in /etc/vga and it appears to be where my display modes are set. |
| 12:28.01 | Blapto | Given that my xorg.conf contains nothing of the sotr |
| 12:28.04 | Yancho | anyone else has any idea how i can fix this please : http://rafb.net/p/aqtf3K38.html ( i did apt-get remove wine before ) |
| 12:28.06 | streuner_ | try to upgrade everything and run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg |
| 12:28.08 | Blapto | /s/sotr/sort |
| 12:28.14 | Blapto | I've done that already, didn't help |
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| 12:28.30 | Blapto | And I know that sid is in development, prone to dodginess, etc. |
| 12:29.18 | streuner_ | Yancho: please show us your sources.list in paste.debian.net |
| 12:29.23 | streuner_ | Yancho: What does 'dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1' say? |
| 12:29.36 | streuner_ | welcome to unstable :-/ |
| 12:29.41 | Yancho | ii libc6 2.3.6.ds1-13etch2 GNU C Library: Shared libraries |
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| 12:30.14 | DJ-Marcus | good morning |
| 12:30.20 | Blapto | It just seems like it ought to be an easy fix, like changing my refresh rate, but I can't work out where to even do that at the moment, I'd expect it to be in xorg.conf, but it isn't |
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| 12:31.10 | streuner_ | Yancho: ok, paste sources.list into p.d.n |
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| 12:31.41 | Yancho | streuner_ : http://rafb.net/p/uxAdln54.html |
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| 12:32.38 | streuner_ | Yancho: comment line 4 and run "apt-get update" |
| 12:32.58 | berzerka | if i want to concatenate some binary files into one (without newlines or such), can i just do e.g.: cat file[2..5] >> file1 ? |
| 12:33.07 | streuner_ | !info wine |
| 12:33.12 | dpkg | wine: (Windows API Implementation (standard suite)), section otherosfs, is optional. Version: 0.9.51-1 (sid), Packaged size: 754 kB, Installed size: 788 kB |
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| 12:34.03 | streuner_ | wine_0.9.49~winehq0~debian~4.0-1_i386.deb isnt out of Debian, its third party deb |
| 12:34.14 | DJ-Marcus | is it possible that when the path to a file becomes to long that it cannot be shared anymore by samba? |
| 12:34.28 | Yancho | streuner_ funny how i added these two lines : wget -q http://wine.budgetdedicated.com/apt/387EE263.gpg -O- | sudo apt-key add - and sudo wget http://wine.budgetdedicated.com/apt/sources.list.d/etch.list -O /etc/apt/sources.list.d/winehq.list and its not there |
| 12:34.28 | streuner_ | if you going to install third party debs it could happen this :-) |
| 12:34.32 | streuner_ | !bobbitt |
| 12:34.32 | dpkg | Remember Lorena Bobbitt? Remember what she did to her husband's woody? Well, when you install binary packages from different branches onto your woody (...sarge, etch), you get the same result. Same goes for Sarge, Etch, and any other debian system, "debian based distro", or the fire that is <rpm>, <alien>, etc. |
| 12:35.30 | streuner_ | ... or third party debs |
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| 12:36.39 | streuner_ | Yancho: a quick dirty hack, just look in /var/lib/dpkg/info/ about wine*. postinst and mv (only) that file to /tmp |
| 12:37.13 | streuner_ | Yancho: after that run "apt-get -f install" and remove the wine package itself, use only debs from the Debian mirrors |
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| 12:38.01 | Yancho | how can i see if it is there ? |
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| 12:38.19 | Yancho | is it this wine.postrm ? |
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| 12:38.28 | streuner_ | Yancho: should be postinst |
| 12:38.33 | Yancho | or i also move this : wine.list |
| 12:38.49 | streuner_ | mv everything with *wine* |
| 12:38.56 | Yancho | jpulis@debian:/var/lib/dpkg/info$ ls | grep wine gave me wine.postrm and wine.list |
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| 12:39.15 | streuner_ | s/grep/ls/ |
| 12:39.30 | Yancho | what do u mean with s/grep/ls ? |
| 12:39.41 | streuner_ | ls -l /var/lib/dpkg/info/wine.* |
| 12:39.46 | cast | could have built wine from source by now and had it completely seperate from apt :P |
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| 12:40.17 | Yancho | ls: /var/lib/dpkg/info/wine.*: No such file or directory |
| 12:40.28 | Yancho | true cast .. just afraid of breaking the broken system heh |
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| 12:43.47 | Yancho | finally : wine-0.9.49 thanks extremely alot streuner_ |
| 12:44.58 | streuner_ | ls -l /var/lib/dpkg/info/wine*.* would show you better results ;-) |
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| 12:53.16 | Yancho | from where i can change the clock time please? it is giving me +1 hr .. checked bios it is the correct time |
| 12:53.50 | SPF | Yancho: man date |
| 12:54.02 | Yancho | thanks SPF :) |
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| 12:54.23 | SPF | I always set it like date --set 0915 |
| 12:54.27 | mosty | yancho: tzselect, apt-get install ntpdate ; man ntpdate |
| 12:54.58 | SPF | that's for auto adjusting time |
| 12:55.59 | mosty | once you set the timezone, ntpdate will set the time for you better than date can |
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| 12:59.14 | Yancho | date -u gives me 13:58 but the task bar shows 14:58 |
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| 13:00.04 | dutchfish | Yancho, your timezone is then +1 GMT? |
| 13:00.26 | Yancho | yes am in central europe (cet) - ie gmt + 1 |
| 13:00.59 | antixpaul | I'd just right click the clock in my tray and click configure ;D |
| 13:01.07 | dutchfish | Yancho, date (without -u) must give you then local time in CET |
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| 13:01.28 | Yancho | Thu Dec 27 15:01:14 CET 2007 |
| 13:01.34 | Yancho | but its wrong heh |
| 13:01.42 | dutchfish | !tzconfig |
| 13:01.42 | dpkg | rumour has it, setting time is if you're using a coexisting DOS/Win on your x86, put UTC=no in /etc/default/rcS else put UTC=yes. use tzconfig to set the right timezone, then use date (man date) to set time (avoid doing that when precious applications are running, some might get confused). Now do hwclock --systohc if RTC is local, or hwclock --systohc --utc if UTC. Erase /etc/adjtime and repeat the previous command again. This prevents wrong time drift ... |
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| 13:02.08 | shadebob | hi |
| 13:02.15 | Yancho | thanks dutche- |
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| 13:02.19 | Yancho | dutchfish* |
| 13:02.25 | ZLIA | where can i find skype for Debian ? |
| 13:02.26 | dutchfish | Yancho, yw |
| 13:02.42 | dutchfish | ZLIA, skype site |
| 13:02.48 | dutchfish | !skype |
| 13:02.49 | dpkg | hmm... skype is a proprietary cross-platform VoIP application. See http://www.skype.com/. It uses a proprietary protocol. Unofficial debs (they are built by Skype Limited) are available from http://www.skype.com/download/skype/linux/, or an evil obfuscated black-box that could be communicating *absolutely* any of your data with third parties |
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| 13:03.50 | antixpaul | I like how dpkg pauses to think... |
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| 13:06.33 | jaggz- | yeah, it should say "hmm.." when it first gets the command -- before it does the lookup on the query. |
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| 13:06.50 | sadmin1 | hi all |
| 13:06.52 | jaggz- | it could still append them in one line.. maybe that's what it does. |
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| 13:07.24 | sadmin1 | am making software raid on debain etch making md devices takes 20 sec to go |
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| 13:07.29 | sadmin1 | why is it normal |
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| 13:08.11 | alinux-lb | hi all can anyone give me the name of a console based command/tool that allows me to check how much traffic is passing through lets say eth0 at the moment |
| 13:08.20 | abrotman | ntop |
| 13:08.23 | abrotman | or jnettop |
| 13:08.30 | dutchfish | alinux-lb, iftop |
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| 13:09.00 | dutchfish | alinux-lb, or iptraf |
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| 13:09.39 | alinux-lb | dutchfish, I need a tool that allows me to save it to a file or cat the result to a file..iptraf is curses based ...any other dieas ? |
| 13:09.53 | gener1c | how do you call those harddrives that you connect to the tv and act like vcrs? TV-HDD? |
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| 13:10.03 | gener1c | off topic but have no clue where to ask |
| 13:10.11 | jaggz- | dvr? |
| 13:10.29 | gener1c | ok....ill check it out |
| 13:11.05 | dutchfish | alinux-lb, you could cat one of the /proc/net/tcp as example, you have to look wich one will serve your needs |
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| 13:11.22 | gener1c | i mean an actual box |
| 13:11.23 | sadmin1 | any idea |
| 13:11.29 | gener1c | this stuff gives me odd cards |
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| 13:12.13 | mrfree | I've just upgraded to etch but I noticed a problem with ipv4 forwarding... if I set IP_FORWARDING=On for shorewall it hasn't any effects |
| 13:12.32 | abrotman | holy shit .. vlc in testing |
| 13:12.34 | mrfree | cat /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward always returns 0 |
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| 13:13.04 | alinux-lb | mrfree, I have seen this with many shorewall installations |
| 13:13.05 | dutchfish | alinux-lb, /proc/net/stat/rt_cache is another one |
| 13:13.09 | alinux-lb | it seems to be soem bug |
| 13:13.18 | eth01 | i've just attached a usb stick to my machine, i'm wondering how I can format it? |
| 13:13.22 | alinux-lb | mrfree, set it manually |
| 13:13.35 | abrotman | eth01: did you mount it? |
| 13:13.41 | mosty | mrfree, i know nothing about shorewall, but echo 1 > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward |
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| 13:13.49 | eth01 | abrotman, no, i haven' =/ |
| 13:13.57 | mosty | mrfree, do that from an init script |
| 13:13.57 | eth01 | haven't * |
| 13:14.01 | streuner | abrotman: little wonder ;-) |
| 13:14.02 | abrotman | get it mounted first .. then use mkfs to format it |
| 13:14.08 | jaggz- | eth01: find its device in /dev/ |
| 13:14.12 | abrotman | streuner: vlc or mthe other? |
| 13:14.18 | streuner | vlc |
| 13:14.24 | jaggz- | can you really mount and THEN format it? :) |
| 13:14.29 | abrotman | streuner: at least the newbs will quit whining |
| 13:14.32 | eth01 | i'm not sure what it's called =/ |
| 13:14.39 | jaggz- | dmesg | less |
| 13:14.49 | mrfree | ialinux-lb, mosty p_forward=yes in /etc/network/options can help? |
| 13:14.58 | mrfree | ip_forward |
| 13:14.58 | jaggz- | see what it says when you attach it.. maybe there's some usb listing util but I don't ever deal with it |
| 13:15.14 | mosty | mrfree, no idea. i echo 1 > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward in my firewall script |
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| 13:15.38 | abrotman | eth01: when you plug it in .. you should get a message in 'dmesg' telling you where it is .. when you get that .. use fdisk -l /dev/<device> .. make sure it's partitioned how you want |
| 13:15.58 | eth01 | scsi 0:0:0:0: Direct-Access BUFFALO ClipDrive 1.00 PQ: 0 ANSI: 0 CCS |
| 13:16.05 | jaggz- | I like that the highway in U.K. goes right by stonehenge |
| 13:16.06 | eth01 | usb-storage: device found at 5 |
| 13:16.08 | eth01 | i get that ¬¬ |
| 13:16.22 | eth01 | jaggsz-, heh, me too =p |
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| 13:17.03 | jaggz- | at first I didn't like it, as I watched a program showing it.. but now I realize it's nice. |
| 13:17.25 | jaggz- | I don't know about the usb device.. but, abrotman, are you sure about mounting it and then formatting it? |
| 13:17.33 | eth01 | sd 0:0:0:0: [sda] Assuming drive cache: write through sda: sda1 |
| 13:17.41 | jaggz- | I'd think you need an FS on something to mount it |
| 13:17.41 | eth01 | i want to mount it and then format it |
| 13:17.42 | abrotman | jaggz-: no .. it's early .. you're right |
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| 13:17.56 | jaggz- | does that mean I'll be wrong later? *sigh* |
| 13:17.56 | abrotman | jaggz-: but he does need the device to make sure it's partitioned .. use dmesg |
| 13:18.11 | jaggz- | sucks for a day to get worse and worse :) |
| 13:18.11 | eth01 | huh |
| 13:18.21 | jaggz- | eth01, tail -f /var/log/messages |
| 13:18.25 | jaggz- | unplug and plug it in? |
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| 13:18.49 | eth01 | Dec 27 13:12:04 mx1-sector kernel: sda: sda1 |
| 13:18.50 | eth01 | ... |
| 13:18.59 | eth01 | theres other stuff above it too |
| 13:19.03 | abrotman | fdisk -l /dev/sda |
| 13:19.09 | abrotman | how many partitions? |
| 13:19.13 | eth01 | 1 |
| 13:19.22 | jaggz- | oh.. I was thinking sda was only an hd.. duh.. |
| 13:19.25 | abrotman | is it NTFS? or linux? |
| 13:19.32 | eth01 | Disk /dev/sda: 1040 MB, 1040187392 bytes |
| 13:19.39 | eth01 | i've just done fdisk ^^ |
| 13:19.42 | abrotman | eth01: it's a 1GB device? |
| 13:19.52 | dutchfish | alinux-lb, /proc/net/dev is the one you prolly want most |
| 13:19.55 | eth01 | abrotman, yep, linux will do. |
| 13:20.15 | jaggz- | but fdisk also shows existing partition type, eth01 |
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| 13:20.27 | jaggz- | sda1 is of type? |
| 13:20.34 | logd | hi, there's a program to dial using a 56k ? |
| 13:20.37 | eth01 | abrotman, /dev/sda1 * 2 63488 1015792 b W95 FAT32 |
| 13:20.45 | alinux-lb | dutchfish, BINGO |
| 13:20.54 | mosty | logd: pppd |
| 13:20.55 | dutchfish | alinux-lb, yw |
| 13:21.10 | abrotman | eth01: do you want the USB drive to be fat32/vfat ? |
| 13:21.21 | eth01 | whats best? |
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| 13:21.45 | abrotman | only you can decide |
| 13:21.52 | eth01 | fat32 will be good. |
| 13:22.04 | logd | <mosty>mean to place phone calls not to connect ;) |
| 13:22.06 | abrotman | you'd use mkfs.vfat |
| 13:22.13 | abrotman | if you don't have it .. install it |
| 13:22.30 | eth01 | so just mkfs.vfat ? |
| 13:22.43 | jaggz- | mkfs.vfat /dev/sda |
| 13:22.43 | abrotman | read the man page |
| 13:22.46 | abrotman | no |
| 13:22.51 | abrotman | mkfs.vfat /dev/hda1 |
| 13:22.54 | jaggz- | ohh |
| 13:22.54 | abrotman | erh .. sda1 |
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| 13:23.07 | dutchfish | alinux-lb, but remember to check for wrap aounds |
| 13:23.07 | abrotman | but he should read the man page incase he wants options |
| 13:23.08 | jaggz- | right, thanks |
| 13:23.18 | dutchfish | alinux-lb, arounds* |
| 13:23.19 | jaggz- | definitely read it.. lots of neat options |
| 13:23.40 | jaggz- | not that I've looked at it in years :) |
| 13:23.52 | eth01 | -bash: mkfs.vfat: command not found ... mkfs is installed. |
| 13:24.11 | mosty | logd, asterisk? |
| 13:24.36 | jaggz- | eth01, run aptitude and type the / command to begin searching for vfat, or just apt-get install mkfs.vfat |
| 13:24.45 | jaggz- | but I'm talking out of my experience here as I don't know what package it comes in |
| 13:24.48 | alinux-lb | dutchfish, sure thing ...thanks alot |
| 13:25.19 | jaggz- | afk |
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| 13:28.20 | gener1c | i can only find dvr servers =( |
| 13:28.25 | logd | <mosty>something simpler ? |
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| 13:33.34 | [Chief] | hey guys, I have a problem with the 64bit Version of Debian |
| 13:33.43 | [Chief] | I bruned the image |
| 13:33.52 | eth01 | and it doesn't work ... |
| 13:33.58 | eth01 | ping |
| 13:34.10 | dutchfish | pong |
| 13:34.13 | eth01 | gone again |
| 13:34.15 | [Chief] | but the computer says it is not a right boot volume |
| 13:34.27 | [Chief] | i tried to boot in the VMware |
| 13:34.34 | Appiah | Do you even get to the bootloader? |
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| 13:34.38 | [Chief] | first it doesnt't worked ether |
| 13:34.57 | [Chief] | bootloader is not coming |
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| 13:35.08 | Appiah | which bootloader? |
| 13:35.13 | [Chief] | in the Vm amchine i have to select "Legay Emulation" |
| 13:35.17 | [Chief] | then it works |
| 13:35.26 | [Chief] | i think the botloader on the CD is grub |
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| 13:35.45 | Appiah | did you install a bootloader? |
| 13:35.50 | Appiah | or what? |
| 13:35.56 | [Chief] | I cannot install it |
| 13:35.57 | Appiah | you use the cd to boot on your install |
| 13:35.58 | abrotman | [Chief]: which 86bit version? |
| 13:36.02 | abrotman | erm 64 |
| 13:36.04 | [Chief] | beachsue the computer is not regonizing th cd |
| 13:36.18 | [Chief] | amd64 |
| 13:36.40 | [Chief] | debian-40r1-amd64-CD-1 |
| 13:36.51 | [Chief] | this is the iso I used |
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| 13:37.07 | abrotman | does vmware emulate amd64? |
| 13:37.33 | [Chief] | i have an 64bit processor |
| 13:37.39 | Appiah | VMware can run 64bit abrotman |
| 13:37.40 | [Chief] | there is no need to emulate |
| 13:38.08 | pengwyn | md5 sum your iso? Or make sure it was all the way d/l |
| 13:38.09 | abrotman | if you burn the ISO to a CD .. can your host system boot from it? |
| 13:38.37 | [Chief] | no |
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| 13:38.55 | [Chief] | and VMware can only boot grom it when i Chosse LEgacy emualtion |
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| 13:41.27 | abrotman | so wait .. your system doesn't boot it at all either? |
| 13:41.44 | [Chief] | right |
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| 13:42.15 | [Chief] | the 32bit Version is booting fine |
| 13:43.11 | abrotman | you don't even get the splash screen? |
| 13:43.22 | [Chief] | no |
| 13:43.31 | abrotman | and you're sure you got amd64 .. not ia64 ? |
| 13:43.43 | [Chief] | i get the BIOS message taht i doesn't have inseretd a boot voulme |
| 13:43.53 | logd | so there's a program to place phone calls (not over voIP) under linux ? |
| 13:43.56 | abrotman | butn it at a slow speed |
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| 13:44.10 | abrotman | !info ekiga etch |
| 13:44.12 | dpkg | ekiga: (H.323 and SIP compatible VOIP client), section gnome, is optional. Version: 2.0.3-6 (etch), Packaged size: 5369 kB, Installed size: 12560 kB |
| 13:44.23 | mosty | logd: echo "ATDT123456789" > /dev/ttyS0 |
| 13:45.28 | logd | that's good for the dialing job... but it then won't handle input from microphone and output to soundcard |
| 13:45.43 | mosty | logd: i guess you want asterisk |
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| 13:46.00 | logd | arstarisk's not for voip? |
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| 13:46.35 | mosty | logd, asterisk does voip and also reguar telephony (with the correct hardware) |
| 13:46.57 | pengwyn | asterisk is a pbx |
| 13:47.10 | pengwyn | asterisk.org |
| 13:47.14 | dutchfish | [Chief], maybe this helps? http://www.debianhelp.org/node/12488 |
| 13:47.21 | mosty | you can build a pbx using asterisk. but asterisk can do more than just be a pbx |
| 13:48.08 | logd | there isn't a tool like KPHONE for standard telephony ? |
| 13:49.52 | logd | btw installed asterisk what i do have to do to place a simple phone cal? |
| 13:50.24 | logd | i see a localhostCLI> prompt |
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| 13:50.34 | [Chief] | dutchfish, i don't know how this could help |
| 13:50.57 | mosty | logd: read 'asterisk the future of telephony', it's a free online book |
| 13:51.33 | logd | that's cool so whenever you wanted to place a phone call you read you phone manual ? |
| 13:51.41 | dutchfish | [Chief], the author hints to the kernel option CONFIG_HPET_EMULATE_RTC=Y and CONFIG_RTC=Y wich i dont know if it is set in the curent installer ... |
| 13:51.59 | mosty | logd: the first time, yeah |
| 13:52.01 | pengwyn | logd, like bbs sysops of the past, you need to learn |
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| 13:52.25 | [Chief] | dutchfish: But my problem is, that the BIOS doesnt boot from the CD |
| 13:52.27 | logd | <pengwyn>yeah but i'm not gonna setup a call center |
| 13:52.29 | logd | ;) |
| 13:52.40 | pengwyn | logd, even a new phone you might have to read some docs ;o) |
| 13:52.40 | dutchfish | [Chief], what cpu en chipset? |
| 13:52.44 | [Chief] | It just say that it isn#t a Boot Voulme |
| 13:52.53 | mosty | logd: almost nobody these days does what you want to do, hence it's not all laid out for you |
| 13:52.54 | [Chief] | AMD X2 4200+ EE |
| 13:52.58 | [Chief] | nforce630 |
| 13:53.37 | dutchfish | [Chief], if i am correct there is an option in the bios, for sata legacy mode, can you flip that and try again? |
| 13:53.58 | [Chief] | the Cdrom Drive is connected via IDE |
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| 13:54.24 | [Chief] | by the way, can it be a probelm that the CD Drive is 8 years old? |
| 13:54.29 | dutchfish | [Chief], exactly |
| 13:55.06 | dutchfish | [Chief], could be, but that can be checked easely |
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| 13:56.03 | logd | dial 0 |
| 13:56.03 | logd | No such extension '0' in context 'local' |
| 13:56.12 | jeremy_c | For my macbook, I have to add to my grub kernel line: noapic ipqpoll acpi=force ... each time I update and a new kernel is installed, my grub line is deleted. Is there a way to make that persist across updates? |
| 13:56.14 | [Chief] | dutchfish: thx, i will try an other CD Drive in the evening, bye |
| 13:56.44 | dutchfish | [Chief], some bioses with sata mess up, booting with a ide cdrom, Look if you have native/legacy mode switch in bios, and flip it |
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| 13:57.19 | dutchfish | [Chief], i had same exp myself with dif systems already on amd 64 bit |
| 13:57.45 | dutchfish | [Chief], kernel 2.6.24-rc6-git has solved this |
| 13:59.07 | jelly-home | jeremy_c: read the comments in debian's menu.lst |
| 13:59.20 | pengwyn | I remember when I first got my 3.2 GHz box with all sata. There was no linux operating system that would boot. I hated those days. |
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| 13:59.28 | [Chief] | dutchfish: tehr is now option for chossing legacy |
| 14:00.00 | dutchfish | [Chief], look if there is a bios update for your board/laptop, maybe its solved already |
| 14:00.49 | dutchfish | [Chief], and of coarse check you cdrom, and burn the iso on low speeds |
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| 14:02.48 | pengwyn | Ya could always boot the CD disk in your vmware "bridged" then copy your install to a pre-formated partitions on real hardware. |
| 14:03.06 | jelly-home | jeremy_c: add the kernel options on the line starting with "# kopt=". Do not uncomment it. Following installations of kernel packages, or manual invocations of /usr/sbin/update-grub, will use those options |
| 14:03.09 | pengwyn | that is like others said, if vmware supports your 64bit |
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| 14:03.44 | [Chief] | dutchfish: Is it a option to boot teh isntaller over PXE? |
| 14:04.02 | dutchfish | [Chief], you can do, but a bit of work to setup |
| 14:04.38 | pengwyn | ain't there like a 64bit netinstall disk? |
| 14:04.40 | [Chief] | i have already an linux server in my network |
| 14:04.46 | [Chief] | a old 300 Mhz amchine |
| 14:04.49 | abrotman | pengwyn: sure |
| 14:04.55 | [Chief] | the new one should replace it |
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| 14:05.18 | [Chief] | I only need a tftp and a nfs server right? |
| 14:05.43 | k31th | is there a way to find out how much bandwidth is being used by an ip connected to my mail server? |
| 14:05.48 | cast | pengwyn: certainly are |
| 14:05.55 | dutchfish | [Chief], http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/478 |
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| 14:06.39 | [Chief] | dutchfish: There are no bios updates |
| 14:06.46 | [Chief] | dutchfish: txh for the link |
| 14:06.47 | k31th | netstat? |
| 14:06.51 | k31th | will that tell me? |
| 14:06.52 | [Chief] | but I have to go now |
| 14:06.59 | dutchfish | [Chief], ok, good luck tmubs x-ed |
| 14:07.08 | [Chief] | thank you very mcuh, i will try it in the evening |
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| 14:12.05 | jeremy_c | jelly-home: thanks. I've been scrolling right past that each time I updated :-/ |
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| 14:16.19 | abrotman | !qotd0 |
| 14:16.20 | dpkg | <kbrooks> i'm taking debian and making a distro out of it |
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| 14:18.20 | xuser_ | where do you set the iptables rules in Debian? |
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| 14:18.44 | abrotman | rhalff: i think if you do a reload .. it won't release the log file .. been awhile since i've messed with it |
| 14:19.01 | abrotman | xuser_: you create your own script |
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| 14:20.16 | asg | xuser_: /usr/share/doc/iptables/* provides the rational and suggested approaches for doing what you want. |
| 14:20.24 | itchi | xuser_: Debian does not do it like Gentoo does it |
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| 14:20.44 | dutchfish | abrotman, you know there is old profanity in dpkg? |
| 14:20.54 | wols | XPSlammer: wherever you want |
| 14:21.39 | abrotman | dutchfish: you want to know if dpkg has curse words in his factoids ? |
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| 14:21.54 | rhalff | abrotman: ah because I had one occurrence where the apache config had became invalid, and overnight the server stopped because of that, and a case where apache https uses a passphrase for ssl and so the server hang at night because it was waiting for input, both won't happen if apache would use reload. |
| 14:21.54 | dutchfish | abrotman, what baout this: |
| 14:22.02 | dutchfish | !crack whore |
| 14:22.17 | asg | that's not profanity |
| 14:22.20 | abrotman | wouldn't consider those curse words ... |
| 14:22.22 | xuser_ | asg: I see. |
| 14:22.28 | mcalex | d |
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| 14:22.50 | jaggz- | what's all this stuff: http://www.voyager.com/tcpdump.html |
| 14:23.02 | jaggz- | I'd like to have a secure system |
| 14:23.05 | abrotman | rhalff: your SSL key shouldn't require a password anyways |
| 14:23.16 | abrotman | rhalff: what would you do if you restarted your server remotely? |
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| 14:23.42 | rhalff | abrotman: yeah I know, but they say it's the most secure way |
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| 14:24.07 | rhalff | abrotman: what you mean with remotely ? |
| 14:24.08 | abrotman | rhalff: yes .. because if you're not there .. you don't have apache at all .. very secure! |
| 14:24.18 | epsilon | jaggz-: looks like normal arp traffic and samba(?) |
| 14:24.20 | asg | jaggz-: ssdp traffic, some arps, some netbios traffic |
| 14:24.22 | un1xer | Hi, any one knows when the Etch 40r2 netinstall cd images will be available? |
| 14:24.33 | rhalff | abrotman: through ssh it also asks me for the passphrase offcourse |
| 14:24.34 | hoxu | hum, dict-wn is not in etch, but it's in sarge and lenny? -_- |
| 14:24.42 | jaggz- | I think the samba-lookin' stuff is actually a windows machine on our net.. hgw is the router |
| 14:24.46 | abrotman | rhalff: not to start the service |
| 14:25.02 | abrotman | un1xer: r2 or r1 ? |
| 14:25.10 | un1xer | r2 |
| 14:25.11 | wols | jaggz-: do you have samba running? |
| 14:25.13 | asg | abrotman: r2 is out according to /topic |
| 14:25.17 | jaggz- | I guess this is all secure.. it's incoming traffic from other systems.. |
| 14:25.18 | rhalff | abrotman: oh yeah mean upon reboot, well it's xen so not a problem :) |
| 14:25.18 | abrotman | un1xer: probably a few days |
| 14:25.20 | abrotman | asg: i see now |
| 14:25.24 | epsilon | not yet, get r1 and upgrade |
| 14:25.31 | jaggz- | samba should NOT be running on this system, no |
| 14:25.34 | un1xer | really? so long? |
| 14:25.41 | epsilon | or if you have debian stable in apt source, you'll get r2 anyway |
| 14:25.50 | abrotman | un1xer: it's not a big deal .. use the r1 netinst .. |
| 14:26.28 | wols | jaggz-: just asking. of course windows asks the whole network about samba since it can't fathom an OS where it doesn't run |
| 14:26.37 | jaggz- | thanks for taking a look.. suddenly it appears more obvious and less worrisome to me and I wonder what I saw in it that I questioned |
| 14:26.45 | xuser_ | asg: looks a bit old, does that still apply? |
| 14:26.47 | abrotman | rhalff: uhm .. remove the passphrase from your apache ssl cert |
| 14:26.53 | un1xer | yes, i jus whant to try if it recognizes sis sata II on my laptop! |
| 14:27.14 | jaggz- | well I do wonder about my router broadcasting to this "all-systems.mcast.net" thing |
| 14:27.15 | abrotman | un1xer: it's the same kernel as before |
| 14:27.18 | asg | xuser_: what? rolling your own iptables startup scripts? It does still apply. |
| 14:27.26 | abrotman | !kmuto |
| 14:27.27 | dpkg | For etch (or sarge) with up-to-date kernels, see http://kmuto.jp/debian/d-i/ |
| 14:27.29 | \amethyst | jaggz-: IGMP is router configuration |
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| 14:27.58 | \amethyst | jaggz-: as for the netbios (smb) stuff, it's going to a broadcast address, too |
| 14:28.02 | un1xer | <abrotman> In the release notes it says it includes the updated kernels... |
| 14:28.11 | \amethyst | jaggz-: and port 1900 is UPnP |
| 14:28.21 | abrotman | un1xer: does it say which updated kernels? |
| 14:28.34 | ricosecada | Are there any particular problems with libc6 on testing at the current moment? I read something about some problems with it on the ml. |
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| 14:28.59 | xuser_ | asg: i mean, where do you set the script for it to be used after reboot? |
| 14:29.11 | jaggz- | that router's a .. hmm.. I think it's a dlink |
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| 14:29.26 | wols | ricosecada: the update wasn't totally smooth. some packages got pushed to testing a bit early. dunno if it's resolved now |
| 14:29.32 | asg | xuser_: you can use an 'up /sbin/iptables-restore </path/to/rules' in /etc/network/interfaces |
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| 14:29.40 | wols | jaggz-: sucks to have your router |
| 14:29.43 | un1xer | abrotman: it says: "The installer has been updated to use and support the updated kernels included in this release." |
| 14:29.46 | Lz | in gentoo I use /etc/conf.d/net to configure dhcpcd and assign interfaces to grab an IP |
| 14:29.48 | asg | xuser_: you could also encode them in an init.d script as well. You have a number of choices. |
| 14:29.49 | jaggz- | is it a bad idea to have internal net IPs available on our public DNS? |
| 14:29.49 | ricosecada | wols, thanks |
| 14:29.57 | Lz | is there a configuration file in debian that is the same? |
| 14:30.00 | Lz | since that same directory doesn |
| 14:30.04 | Lz | 't exist :( |
| 14:30.05 | mosty | jaggz-, yes |
| 14:30.13 | wols | jaggz-: it's kinda impossible since they're on non routable IPs, no? |
| 14:30.32 | abrotman | un1xer: let me look |
| 14:30.36 | wols | Lz: /etc/network/interfaces perhaps? |
| 14:30.40 | ricosecada | wols, is there somewhere where I can read about the problems, and do a follow up to see if problems are solved? |
| 14:30.43 | xuser_ | asg: oh ok, there is no particular way. |
| 14:30.50 | wols | Lz: dhcpd itself is configured with the dhcpds config file |
| 14:30.59 | jaggz- | they're not routable.. and I guess if someone can get into our net (I have 80 open sometimes) and hack in.. they can just ping to find things on the /24 anyway |
| 14:31.01 | wols | ricosecada: BTS possibly |
| 14:31.24 | Lz | what I am actually looking for here is the ability to use this to grab a static IP. |
| 14:31.29 | asg | xuser_: no, the rational is more along the lines of: "If you want to roll your own rules as opposed to using firehol or bastille or some other pacaged utility, you should know enough to bootstrap them yourself." |
| 14:31.34 | jaggz- | and I think our NS won't transfer the domain to them, so they'd have to look up things deliberately |
| 14:31.36 | Lz | I'm using the gentoo router guide as a template to making as custom router, wols |
| 14:31.52 | jaggz- | that reminds me.. I have to setup a new mail + dns server |
| 14:31.55 | Lz | would the same commands that work here work in /etc/network/interfaces, wols , or is ther e aidfferent syntax |
| 14:32.08 | mosty | jaggz-, it can be the cause of annoying dns related timeouts for your clients |
| 14:32.10 | asg | xuser_: personally, I always bring them up in interfaces since then you will always have them active if the interface is active. |
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| 14:32.27 | jaggz- | can I put these things in chroot jails from now on? or can the DNS be ran as a user? why in the world does named/bind run as root? |
| 14:32.43 | jaggz- | mosty, what can? |
| 14:32.44 | abrotman | un1xer: it supports the security patched kernels |
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| 14:32.50 | asg | jaggz-: it can run chrooted and also as a non-root user. |
| 14:33.04 | mbroeker | OH SHIT! i got a new router from my provider and it has !! vi !! pre-installed. I am an emacs user. I will sell this router... |
| 14:33.07 | jaggz- | I'd like to do that.. I did switch to postfix many years ago |
| 14:33.13 | mosty | jaggz-, djbdns runs nicely as a non-root user |
| 14:33.27 | Lz | win 3 |
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| 14:33.43 | jaggz- | but we still have bind |
| 14:33.50 | asg | jaggz-: it needs to be root long enough to bind to ports 53 (udp/tcp). After then, it can drop privs and chroot itself. |
| 14:33.58 | jaggz- | and I'll need to setup apachessl.. I guess we could stick with stronghold but I don't see why. |
| 14:34.01 | un1xer | abrotman: blody sis sata II, thanks abrotman! :) |
| 14:34.12 | abrotman | !kmuto |
| 14:34.12 | dpkg | For etch (or sarge) with up-to-date kernels, see http://kmuto.jp/debian/d-i/ |
| 14:34.16 | abrotman | !custom netinst |
| 14:34.17 | jaggz- | We originally went with Stronghold-apache because .. we had to. |
| 14:34.17 | dpkg | it has been said that custom netinst is http://wiki.osuosl.org/display/LNX/Debian+on+Dell+Servers or http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/Modify/CustomKernel or http://people.debian.org/~osamu/hackdi/ or http://wiki.debian.net/?DebianCustomCD or see <sarge uni> |
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| 14:34.46 | bolt | I hate it when support phones say "your call is important to us". It always comes off as a lie. |
| 14:34.58 | jaggz- | sounds good. I'd like it to be secure. We got hacked years ago from a security flaw in bind |
| 14:34.58 | xuser_ | asg: Oki, thanks. |
| 14:35.14 | jaggz- | I found some other user on our system and, knowing the few users we had, I knew it wasn't an account I setup myself. |
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| 14:35.22 | \amethyst | jaggz-: which version of bind was that? |
| 14:35.38 | jaggz- | this was probably back in `97 or so |
| 14:35.46 | asg | bind 4 or 8 then |
| 14:36.13 | jaggz- | I chatted up the user with ytalk and he talked to me .. and he helped me upgrade my bind :) |
| 14:36.24 | xuser_ | asg: is 'up' a interface directive or you can use it on its own? |
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| 14:36.31 | smacnay | where does sshd put its log files by default? /var/log? |
| 14:36.40 | asg | xuser_: it's an interface directive like pre-up |
| 14:36.41 | abrotman | yes |
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| 14:37.08 | jaggz- | not that it was difficult.. we just got the tarball and installed it |
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| 14:37.14 | white_eagle | &help |
| 14:37.16 | smacnay | hmmm, none to be found |
| 14:37.20 | white_eagle | !help |
| 14:37.24 | haier | is there a tool for log analysis ? |
| 14:37.26 | white_eagle | where is dpkg? |
| 14:37.31 | white_eagle | oh, hes here |
| 14:37.48 | harpal | Is it possible that every time ppp gets new connection it bringup new interface ppp+ instead of using ppp0? |
| 14:37.49 | xuser_ | asg: so you put 'up /sbin/iptables-restore </path/to/rules' under a interface? |
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| 14:38.15 | jaggz- | interesting to be hacked by someone who ends up being cool enough to chat with ya and help you with your system |
| 14:38.21 | jaggz- | conspiracy theory aside |
| 14:38.37 | Steiner` | :/ |
| 14:38.51 | wols | harpal: only if ppp0 still exists |
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| 14:39.12 | jaggz- | so i can use our Thawte SSL cert with apache+ssl too then right? |
| 14:39.16 | smacnay | what is the "lisa" service I see listed in rcconf? |
| 14:39.27 | jaggz- | that'll be nice.. it was only legal to use Apache-stronghold back in the day |
| 14:39.36 | jaggz- | when you had to not only pay for the cert, but the secure server as well. |
| 14:39.43 | dutchfish | jaggz-, there where many grey-heads back then, nowadays there arent hackers anymore but crackers for $ |
| 14:39.51 | harpal | wols, like for first connection I have ppp0 than for second connection ppp1 and so on |
| 14:40.00 | harpal | Is it possible? |
| 14:40.03 | jaggz- | ahh |
| 14:40.08 | jaggz- | I get a lot of hack attempts on one of our systems |
| 14:40.26 | wols | harpal: I just told you |
| 14:40.33 | jaggz- | I setup a bridging-filter for our system.. a linux box with two nics in it .. and the bridging patches for linux |
| 14:40.48 | jaggz- | and that system log shows people repeatedly trying to get into it.. |
| 14:40.54 | wols | bridging patches? |
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| 14:41.35 | harpal | wols, I dont get what you are trying to say? |
| 14:41.36 | dutchfish | wols, i think he means contrack and ebtables enabled in kernel? |
| 14:41.37 | xuser_ | jaggz-: i wouldn't call it hack attempts, but logging attempts :P |
| 14:41.39 | jaggz- | filtration didn't work at the traffic layer where bridging was handled I guess |
| 14:41.42 | jaggz- | xuser, good point |
| 14:41.56 | xuser_ | jaggz-: everyone running ssh on port 22 gets logging attempts. |
| 14:42.14 | \amethyst | logging attempts? |
| 14:42.15 | jaggz- | we were evaluating firewalls this time, and decided to just go with a server |
| 14:42.21 | \amethyst | you mean log-in? |
| 14:42.27 | wols | harpal: I'm saying if ppp0 still exists when the new connection is made, the new one will be named ppp1 |
| 14:42.38 | jaggz- | since we've used it for so many years and it seems to work well |
| 14:42.52 | asg | xuser_: yes. The format required by iptables-restore is a little different so you might want to dump the existing formate with iptables-save to a file to get you started. |
| 14:43.02 | jaggz- | the server acts as a transparent bridge between the two network interfaces (eth0 and 1) |
| 14:43.03 | xuser_ | \amethyst: dictionary attacks, brute force, etc... |
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| 14:43.34 | jaggz- | but you can't iptables that traffic.. so that's what the "ebtables" patches did. It was many years ago and hopefully that's available in the kernel now.. |
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| 14:43.38 | jaggz- | but that's another thing I have to setup |
| 14:43.49 | harpal | wols here its not doing same thing |
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| 14:44.00 | asg | jaggz-: ebtables should now be available in debian |
| 14:44.00 | jaggz- | very soon too.. within this week I hope.. I hope within the next couple days |
| 14:44.03 | xuser_ | jaggz-: you can filter on a bridge, just filter one interface |
| 14:44.08 | Noboru | hi guys,i forgot a command which does the same work as well as 'init 6' |
| 14:44.10 | harpal | it takes ppp0 for second connection |
| 14:44.17 | asg | Noboru: telinit |
| 14:44.23 | Noboru | asg, thanks |
| 14:44.36 | xuser_ | asg: oki |
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| 14:44.44 | Noboru | asg, telinit 6 ? |
| 14:45.00 | asg | Noboru: yes, or one of the poweroff, halt, etc commands |
| 14:45.12 | \amethyst | Noboru: or shutdown -r now |
| 14:45.40 | wols | harpal: if ppp1 exists but ppp0 is free, why not? |
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| 14:46.16 | Appiah | What would be the problem if I can copy and paste from my vnc session to the terminal but not to firefox (running in the vnc session) |
| 14:46.38 | \amethyst | Appiah: how are you copying and how are you pasting? |
| 14:46.46 | Noboru | one of them work :( |
| 14:46.51 | Noboru | none of them work. |
| 14:46.56 | \amethyst | Noboru: what happens? |
| 14:46.57 | Appiah | just selecting with mouse |
| 14:47.12 | \amethyst | Appiah: and how are you pasting? |
| 14:47.19 | Appiah | mouse3 \amethyst |
| 14:47.31 | jaggz- | hmm.. we're filtering on the -A FORWARD .. table.. |
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| 14:47.38 | \amethyst | Appiah: hm. not sure then |
| 14:47.59 | asg | Appiah: does ctrl+v work to paste in firefox? |
| 14:48.01 | Appiah | this is strange ;) |
| 14:48.14 | katyush-free | hi, i plan a PXE install,reading a manual in debian.org and would like to ask: my server and client are both behind a router which serves IP with DHCP. when I install dhcpd do i need to disable my router's DHCP to avoid conflicting IPs being given? |
| 14:48.15 | abrotman | something not working in firefox .. sounds normal! |
| 14:48.15 | harpal | wols, no if I got 3 connection than it takes only ppp0 and all coennections are active. |
| 14:48.20 | smacnay | man, my ssh port is getting pounded. I am just going to shut it down. |
| 14:48.29 | Lz | http://pastebin.ca/833683 <--- does this make sense for a static IP in debian? |
| 14:48.30 | xand | katyush-free: that would be wise, yes |
| 14:48.33 | harpal | whicle it must take ppp0 than ppp1 than ppp2 like that |
| 14:48.34 | Appiah | asg: yes but not the same text will paste |
| 14:48.36 | dutchfish | katyush-free, yes |
| 14:48.41 | rhalff | I get segmentation faults doing apt-get install, anything I can try to fix this ? |
| 14:48.47 | jaggz- | smac, could put it on a high port? |
| 14:48.52 | asg | Appiah: okay, just testing whether vnc did something funky with the clipboards |
| 14:49.06 | dutchfish | katyush-free, there can only be one (in a subnet) |
| 14:49.08 | Appiah | only things I copy in the VNC that I can paste in Firefox VNC |
| 14:49.12 | katyush-free | xand, dutchfish thank you |
| 14:49.15 | wols | harpal: I doubt it, it can't just ake over and existing ppp0. but: why would you have 3 ppp connections anyways? |
| 14:49.27 | asg | rhalff: strace apt-get ... (see where it bombs out) |
| 14:49.29 | Appiah | I can copy from my client to the VNC terminal and then copy to firefox , but that's kind of retarded |
| 14:49.41 | jaggz- | ? |
| 14:49.46 | jaggz- | what's the vnc prob? |
| 14:49.55 | jaggz- | F8 menu for transferring clipboard? |
| 14:49.58 | Appiah | That I cant paste to firefox |
| 14:50.02 | Appiah | its already enabled |
| 14:50.07 | Appiah | I can paste to the terminal |
| 14:50.09 | katyush-free | dutchfish it's just that none of the manuals iv'e read (and i read about 6) mentioned this , so i thought maybe i dont need to.. |
| 14:50.13 | Appiah | but not firefox... |
| 14:50.19 | Appiah | gonna try some more apps |
| 14:50.21 | jaggz- | not the location menu? |
| 14:50.25 | jaggz- | s/menu/bar |
| 14:50.26 | dutchfish | katyush-free, but, if your dhcp server on your router can have "options" you can use that 1 |
| 14:50.37 | Appiah | jaggz-: what? |
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| 14:50.40 | jaggz- | try middle-mouse.. maybe you're not using the right buffer |
| 14:50.47 | Appiah | I'm using middle mouse |
| 14:50.49 | abrotman | that is mouse3 |
| 14:50.54 | Appiah | mouse3 hyes |
| 14:50.56 | jaggz- | and ctrl-v also fails? |
| 14:51.01 | Appiah | same thing |
| 14:51.15 | jaggz- | and did you actually ctrl-c or ctrl-v or ctrl-ins to get it into the clipboard? |
| 14:51.17 | katyush-free | dutchfish, thanks...i'll do that... |
| 14:51.24 | jaggz- | since we have that dual-thing going on |
| 14:51.36 | Appiah | ctrl-c and/or mouse from the client jaggz- |
| 14:51.40 | jaggz- | (whatever you call the mouse-select buffer + the actual clipboard) |
| 14:51.42 | dutchfish | katyush-free, depends on your routers dhcp server, how configurable it is ... |
| 14:51.58 | jaggz- | then you goto F8 menu and do client -> server |
| 14:52.07 | jaggz- | and on the server mouse3 and ctrl-v both fail? |
| 14:52.26 | dutchfish | katyush-free, it boils down to only 2 option lines, at hte top of my head |
| 14:52.29 | jaggz- | server is linux or .. ? |
| 14:52.39 | Appiah | Server is linux |
| 14:52.51 | rhalff | asg: thanks |
| 14:52.51 | Appiah | I dont get this F8 menu and do client -> server? |
| 14:52.55 | Appiah | Dont see anything like that |
| 14:53.07 | jaggz- | no?? vnc client usually has a popup menu when you hit f8 |
| 14:53.16 | Appiah | I have the popup |
| 14:53.18 | jaggz- | I usually have to use it to transfer the clipboard, actually |
| 14:53.27 | Appiah | I just dont have any "Client -> Server" |
| 14:53.36 | jaggz- | although iirc there were some instances where it was magically done for me |
| 14:53.42 | jaggz- | Local -> Remote? |
| 14:53.43 | jaggz- | hold on |
| 14:53.48 | Appiah | nope |
| 14:54.12 | katyush-free | dutchfish, 2 options of what? |
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| 14:54.52 | harpal | wols, I am makeing pptp connection with IPX support. and IPX can give address to some interface like ppp0 eth0 |
| 14:54.57 | jaggz- | yeah, I have "Clipboard: Local -> Remote" and "Clipboard: Remote -> Local" |
| 14:55.16 | jaggz- | maybe your vnc automates this, or maybe something's wrong .. what vnc are you using? |
| 14:55.29 | harpal | so when I connect than it takes ppp0 every time so Second user cant connect with IPX protocol |
| 14:55.34 | Appiah | P4.2.8 |
| 14:55.39 | jaggz- | I believe I had these same options with RealVNC as well as TightVNC |
| 14:55.46 | wols | harpal: that doesn't explain why'd you have 3ppp connections at once |
| 14:55.50 | Appiah | frm Jan 22 |
| 14:55.53 | Appiah | maybe I should update |
| 14:56.08 | raz | anyone have expirience with putting debian or linux in general on sun xfires (4150 to be precise)? |
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| 14:56.43 | jaggz- | I mean, mine are old versions and all.. but this is how I've always had to do it .. for yeeeeeears |
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| 14:57.17 | Appiah | this vnc client is windows , maybe I forgot to mention it |
| 14:57.29 | harpal | wols, when user connects to ppp than IPX network number and node number are assigned to it. |
| 14:57.37 | Appiah | the server is debian (vncserver) |
| 14:57.52 | harpal | It assign that number depending upon interface |
| 14:57.57 | jaggz- | and when you mouse-drag and middle or right click you can paste on the linux system? |
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| 14:58.02 | Appiah | this is the latest version |
| 14:58.09 | jaggz- | (using client to access linux box) |
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| 14:58.15 | Appiah | I can paste to a aterm,xterm,eterm |
| 14:58.19 | Appiah | but I cant paste to firefox |
| 14:58.20 | jaggz- | we should make sure your mouse works through vnc :) |
| 14:58.25 | Appiah | it does ;) |
| 14:58.34 | harpal | so onece it assign number to first client which is connected to ppp0 than for second user it cat take that |
| 14:58.36 | jaggz- | okay, so that's what you meant.. that should have been clear to me |
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| 14:58.45 | harpal | so its giving me address already use |
| 14:58.47 | jaggz- | are you pasting to the location bar? |
| 14:58.55 | jaggz- | where you type in a URL in firefox |
| 14:59.00 | harpal | and It shows error |
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| 14:59.10 | Appiah | tried both pasting the location bar and the search engine |
| 14:59.14 | harpal | wols, now do you get what I mean |
| 14:59.41 | jaggz- | k.. because in the location bar, you know how it sometimes selects the whole thing when you click.. maybe that messes up the buffer |
| 15:00.08 | jaggz- | what about this.. can you paste to xterm, then copy that to clipboard and paste that to firefox? |
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| 15:00.11 | Appiah | well I cant paste to the page either (trying google.com) |
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| 15:00.22 | Appiah | yupp thats what I've been doing jaggz- |
| 15:00.33 | jaggz- | and if you use a gnome terminal, or konsole, or whatever.. to use a right-click-menu and use Copy? |
| 15:00.50 | Appiah | dont have those |
| 15:01.00 | jaggz- | so you're only using mouse buffer |
| 15:01.23 | wols | harpal: no. I doN't do IPX, sorry |
| 15:01.27 | jaggz- | well that's weird that you can get it into the buffer and paste it to a terminal.. and you can get it from the terminal into a buffer and paste it into ff, but you can't go right into ff |
| 15:01.46 | Appiah | exactly |
| 15:02.11 | harpal | wols, but every time it must take ppp+ interface right? |
| 15:02.15 | jaggz- | it doesn't make sense actually :/ |
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| 15:02.31 | jaggz- | you're pasting into terminal with mouse3? |
| 15:02.41 | Appiah | maybe I cant paste to qt and gtk ? |
| 15:02.42 | jaggz- | and pasting into ff with mouse3? (when it works) |
| 15:02.51 | Appiah | yupp |
| 15:03.28 | jaggz- | can you copy on local, then try mouse3 in ff, and it fails, then go right to terminal and paste (mouse3) successfully? |
| 15:03.35 | jaggz- | (testing if ff messes up buffer) |
| 15:03.51 | Appiah | on local (the client) ? |
| 15:04.02 | jaggz- | through client on linux system |
| 15:04.06 | Appiah | ih |
| 15:04.09 | Appiah | oh I see |
| 15:04.16 | jaggz- | but copy from local clipboard (which I believe is the goal) |
| 15:04.20 | Appiah | it dosent fail |
| 15:04.22 | jaggz- | local is windows |
| 15:04.48 | jaggz- | so somehow ff doesn't accept the mouse3 until something's different |
| 15:04.57 | Appiah | still cant paste to FF |
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| 15:05.27 | jaggz- | and when you can, you paste into terminal with mouse3, then you merely select it with the mouse -- with no keystrokes right? |
| 15:05.39 | Appiah | ye? |
| 15:05.47 | Appiah | terminal in the vnc |
| 15:05.48 | jaggz- | then you paste to ff with no keystrokes |
| 15:05.53 | Appiah | correct |
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| 15:07.14 | vince36 | hi all , if someone can say what happen to the cpu load when you go to this page : http://transjai.free.fr , with java and JS on |
| 15:07.14 | jaggz- | so.. two guys are sitting in a field of cut-down trees.. their chainsaw next to them.. eating sandwiches... and one says.. "You know, Bob. I just couldn't handle being couped up in a tiny office. There's something about the outdoors that ... just calls to me." |
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| 15:07.39 | Appiah | jaggz-: xD |
| 15:07.39 | jaggz- | in other words.. I'm a bit stumped. |
| 15:07.55 | Noboru | i have a very stange problem,anyone wanna a challenge? |
| 15:07.57 | jaggz- | that description was from a comic, by the way :) |
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| 15:08.10 | jaggz- | Noboru, found one, thanks. What's your's? |
| 15:08.17 | Noboru | It is simple though --> do netstat cannot list full IPs. |
| 15:08.35 | Noboru | hi, jaggz- ,how are you |
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| 15:09.11 | jaggz- | Appiah, what are you copying locally to your clipboard, and from what? |
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| 15:09.12 | Noboru | jaggz-, i followed stew 's advices,that i installed the so called 'fixed netstat' from backport,no help ,same :( |
| 15:09.29 | jaggz- | maybe it's copying some font-characteristics or something along with it.. so when it pastes it's not plain text.. until you put it in terminal |
| 15:09.48 | jaggz- | Noboru, I'm not familiar with the issue |
| 15:09.49 | Noboru | jaggz-, strange is ,on another of my server where runs the same etch the same apache and blah the same, no problem at all |
| 15:09.59 | Noboru | okay. |
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| 15:10.39 | Appiah | well this putty window , notepad/word , firefox |
| 15:10.43 | Appiah | and im copying text |
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| 15:11.06 | gigo | what do I need to play AVI files? |
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| 15:11.23 | jaggz- | try to copy text from a text-only area.. like the location bar of your local browser |
| 15:11.24 | Appiah | a video player gigo |
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| 15:11.46 | Appiah | and the proper codecs for that avi .. avi is just a container for various codecs |
| 15:11.49 | gigo | Appiah: I have totem player but it says it doesn't have plugin to play AVI files. I want to know what package I need to install to play them |
| 15:11.55 | vince36 | Noboru, netstat -latun ? |
| 15:12.01 | Appiah | well like I said avi is just a container |
| 15:12.05 | jaggz- | maybe some people use totem fine... but my totem sucks.. I use xine. |
| 15:12.09 | \amethyst | gigo: "AVI" isn't a very helpful term |
| 15:12.13 | Appiah | it could be any codec |
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| 15:12.20 | jaggz- | but I've not put much effort into getting it to work |
| 15:12.25 | gigo | \amethyst: what more information should I provide? |
| 15:12.33 | Appiah | well its what you make of it jaggz- ;) |
| 15:12.55 | Appiah | where did you get this avi gigo ? they proboly know which codec it is you need |
| 15:13.08 | \amethyst | gigo: try file whatever.avi |
| 15:13.17 | gigo | Appiah: it is a movie. I am the Legend. |
| 15:13.23 | gigo | \amethyst: ok |
| 15:13.24 | Appiah | gigo: so? |
| 15:13.25 | \amethyst | gigo: ('file' is a command to determine what type a file has) |
| 15:13.28 | pengwyn | prolly xvid |
| 15:13.41 | pengwyn | from free tv? |
| 15:13.48 | gigo | \amethyst: I.Am.Legend.2007.Eng.TS.DivX-LTT.avi: data |
| 15:13.51 | Appiah | if its a release it should say which codec =) |
| 15:14.00 | jaggz- | hmm.. I use my video copy program.. forgot what it's called... oh yeah, ffmpeg |
| 15:14.02 | Appiah | uhmmm |
| 15:14.07 | Appiah | DivX then |
| 15:14.09 | jaggz- | it tells me the file codecs |
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| 15:14.21 | jaggz- | install ffmpeg .. 'cause it's just so cool |
| 15:14.29 | pengwyn | ffmpeg rocks |
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| 15:14.35 | \amethyst | !divx |
| 15:14.35 | dpkg | it has been said that divx is de-encoded with xmps under linux, or http://divx.ctw.cc, or a new video compression system that takes up 15% of the space of some other video compression algorithm :o), or xine will work too with divxc32.dll, or http://thot.banki.hu/mp-ftp/releases/w32codec.zip Please use XviD instead (not OpenDivX nor DivX4) |
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| 15:15.32 | gigo | why not OpenDivX or DivX4. why XviD? |
| 15:15.39 | foowah | hi, if I login to an AD domain using XP, the I am able to ping machines in other AD-controlled domains by hostname. |
| 15:15.51 | foowah | Now I have just switched to Linux, I cannot ping those machines by hostname anymore |
| 15:15.52 | Appiah | to make it short , they suck |
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| 15:16.16 | gigo | which package do I need to install do get DivX? |
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| 15:16.20 | gigo | sorry XviD |
| 15:16.51 | pengwyn | xvid.org |
| 15:16.58 | xand | gigo: for what purpose? |
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| 15:17.35 | gigo | xand: to play avi files |
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| 15:17.42 | xand | in what program? |
| 15:17.43 | jaggz- | how big's the .avi? |
| 15:18.18 | pengwyn | prolly 300-350MB |
| 15:18.29 | gigo | jaggz-: 600 MB |
| 15:18.31 | pengwyn | or 800MB |
| 15:18.53 | jaggz- | d/l'ing.. from free tv.. |
| 15:18.55 | jaggz- | is this legal?? |
| 15:19.06 | pengwyn | 934,888,702 bytes o) |
| 15:19.08 | jaggz- | gonna see if xine plays it |
| 15:19.16 | Noboru | can anyone help me this ,is it possible that etch won't reboot cuz there is not keyboard connected ? |
| 15:19.16 | asg | jaggz-: considering that film was released 2 days ago in the US, i'd say no |
| 15:19.53 | xand | gigo: why don't you install mplayer or vlc |
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| 15:19.58 | asg | Noboru: sometimes the bios will fail if that's the case. etch doesn't care though X may not start without one unless you configure it to do so. |
| 15:20.09 | mrfree | I think my prims2 (hostap) wifi nic went to sleep... it should be acpi related can I selective disable power management for a single device? |
| 15:20.11 | gigo | xand: will xvid come automatically with that? |
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| 15:20.22 | xand | gigo: yes |
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| 15:20.46 | Noboru | hi asg it is very strange, after i upgrade apache mysql and php along with a virtual hosting panel ,i cannot reboot it |
| 15:21.28 | asg | Noboru: do you have console access to the virtual machine you have? Perhaps it needs to fsck a filesystem and needs your help. |
| 15:21.30 | jaggz- | ew, letterbox :) |
| 15:21.31 | xuser_ | in the Debian dhcp3-server pkg you don't set wich interfaces to use for dhcp anymore? |
| 15:21.50 | Noboru | asg, i called the data-centre to reboot it manually, the first time its failure and then they told me this ---> the linux says no keyboard is connected and stops to reboot,then they attched a keyboard to it then reboot it again,this time it worked,so weird. |
| 15:22.04 | Noboru | asg, yes,i have ssh to it. |
| 15:22.04 | jaggz- | xine plays it, but no audio yet |
| 15:22.38 | asg | Noboru: I've never seen that before especially if this is a virtual machine. |
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| 15:23.14 | dutchfish | Noboru, halt on keybord errors in bios (switch) enable/disable. Chears |
| 15:23.18 | Noboru | asg, the data-centre says --its very possible that the lower battery in bios |
| 15:23.30 | maddash | !vlc |
| 15:23.30 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, vlc is the VideoLAN media player, which can also broadcast. It can also be used standalone as a normal MPEG2/DVD player. Available in stable and unstable. Upstream homepage: http://www.videolan.org |
| 15:23.37 | maddash | ugh. |
| 15:23.41 | jaggz- | I don't have ffmpeg anymore :( |
| 15:24.11 | Noboru | asg, well, would you tell me how to perform a security fsck to the system ? |
| 15:24.25 | Noboru | i have to make sure,then consider the bios issue. |
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| 15:24.49 | jaggz- | what was that nameserver again? djbdns? |
| 15:24.57 | dutchfish | Noboru, check your logs |
| 15:24.58 | asg | Noboru: it it boots with the keyboard, then the fsck isn't an issue. That was just a guess. |
| 15:25.54 | Noboru | yeah,the data-centre told me this and make sure they did say the message posted in the screen says stuff like error no keyboard found ,system refuses to reboot |
| 15:26.04 | Noboru | did see* |
| 15:26.10 | abrotman | sometimes a bios will freak out if a kb/mouse change is detected |
| 15:26.20 | asg | Noboru: yeah, that sounds like a bios problem. |
| 15:26.27 | dutchfish | Noboru, if it was correct before, maybe your bios setting sget hosed? |
| 15:26.33 | asg | Noboru: there is probably a bios toggle to ignore such errors |
| 15:26.33 | Noboru | abrotman, so strange, hmm i bought this server only half a year ago |
| 15:26.46 | pengwyn | (I'll ask the obvious) slaved in another keyboard? |
| 15:26.51 | abrotman | Noboru: sure .. but you have to set the BIOS not to stop if the kb/mouse is missing |
| 15:27.01 | abrotman | i know IBM servers have this option |
| 15:27.12 | pengwyn | broken KVM switch / cable? |
| 15:27.12 | dutchfish | yup |
| 15:27.15 | Noboru | abrotman, it is Dell PowerEdge 830 |
| 15:27.30 | dutchfish | Noboru, they have that switch too |
| 15:27.41 | jaggz- | sound wasn't working because seamonkey had it |
| 15:28.00 | Noboru | dutchfish, it was all fine untill i upgraded apache and php and mysql,then did a reboot,i mean tried to reboot with init 6,but it doesn't work |
| 15:28.04 | pengwyn | usb keyboard? with no usb module? |
| 15:28.23 | Noboru | this time too, after i upgraded kernel,i do 'init 6', but after a while i was still connected in ssh |
| 15:28.32 | dutchfish | Noboru, or ipmi is getting in your way on that type, or serial console ... check your bios via remote kvm if possible |
| 15:28.38 | jaggz- | ooh.. I am Legend is in spanish |
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| 15:28.54 | Noboru | at at time, httpd was shut down,but ssh was still working,plus that, i could run command no problem, |
| 15:29.03 | jaggz- | que bien |
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| 15:29.29 | pengwyn | yo estoy se dice legend? |
| 15:29.52 | dutchfish | Noboru, i doubt that updating prevents reboot (on apache/mysql/php) |
| 15:29.53 | pengwyn | j/k heh |
| 15:30.09 | Noboru | but if you all guess it is bios related, how come it won't reboot with doing 'init 6' ? |
| 15:30.50 | abrotman | is the keyboard plugged in |
| 15:30.50 | abrotman | ? |
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| 15:31.09 | Noboru | dutchfish, me too,however,if that updating is a source, how come it won't boot with manully rebooting but have to connect a keyboard to it,hmm |
| 15:31.49 | dutchfish | Noboru, if this is etch, you can "reboot" command as root, does that work? |
| 15:31.59 | jaggz- | I think I hvae to go now |
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| 15:32.14 | Noboru | dutchfish, let me try. |
| 15:32.40 | jaggz- | pengwyn, what's that mean? "I am [it is said??] Legend"? |
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| 15:33.24 | pengwyn | yeah bastardized spanish.. I am (you say) legend . I meant "como se dice" (how you say) |
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| 15:33.59 | pengwyn | peace jaggz |
| 15:34.02 | abrotman | como se dice "legend" .. most people get that :) |
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| 15:34.17 | maddash | se dice, "Legendre." |
| 15:34.56 | abrotman | ohh .. they updated the flashplugin-nonfree |
| 15:35.06 | spq | how can i compile a binary statically linked against an old glibc i have in a seperate directory= |
| 15:35.09 | enouf | si si, je suis un rock star |
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| 15:37.28 | fas3r | hello everybody |
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| 15:37.54 | real0ne | hallo my server x |
| 15:38.02 | enouf | saves a ton of useless ampex tape :-p |
| 15:38.02 | real0ne | need configuration |
| 15:38.11 | fas3r | i have problem with apt .. it doesn't reinstall the conf file ... |
| 15:38.22 | pengwyn | enouf, or miniDV's |
| 15:38.23 | fas3r | but i have purge apt-cache |
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| 15:38.43 | enouf | pengwyn: those can be made into chinese stars though ;-) |
| 15:38.46 | fas3r | if someone have idea .. |
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| 15:39.27 | dutchfish | fas3r, wich conf file? |
| 15:39.55 | fas3r | krb5.conf |
| 15:39.58 | fas3r | for kerberos |
| 15:40.32 | enouf | confmiss factoid? |
| 15:40.36 | abrotman | !drxx real0ne |
| 15:40.36 | dpkg | real0ne: To reconfigure your X server, run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg as root. If you're not using Xorg (sarge or earlier), dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86, and ask me about xmd5sum if you've changed XF86Config-4 yourself. |
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| 15:41.07 | dutchfish | fas3r, or, you can apt-get install --reinstall kerberos, or get and place the oncf manually |
| 15:41.17 | real0ne | abrotman i have do it but no result |
| 15:41.23 | dutchfish | fas3r, conf* |
| 15:41.42 | pengwyn | fas3r if it's on ext2 partition, you might be abe to undelete in midnight commander. |
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| 15:43.01 | fas3r | dutchfish: i have test with apt-get install --reinstall but it doesn't reinstall the conf file |
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| 15:43.28 | dutchfish | fas3r, apt-get -d kerberos and extract it manually? |
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| 15:43.51 | ericpersson | i will add another internet connection on my second nic, it works fine, but when I do, it does not respond on the old interface, even though it all shows up in ifconfig.. |
| 15:43.54 | fas3r | dutchfish: why not :) |
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| 15:44.01 | ericpersson | what might be the problem? |
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| 15:44.06 | dutchfish | fas3r, i bit crude but it should do |
| 15:44.22 | Noboru | dutche-, doing 'reboot',it worked at my side |
| 15:44.43 | Noboru | dutche-, now the isp service guy in data-center is helping me checking the server reboot status |
| 15:44.51 | dutchfish | fas3r, the other option is to apt-get remove --purge kerberos, but i dont know your system, so i dont feel up like that |
| 15:44.54 | Noboru | he now has a keyboard and a monitor connected to it. |
| 15:45.05 | Hammar | need help installing debian: does anyone know how to set the Realtek Gigabit Ethernet kernel module down to 100MBit instead of Gigabit? |
| 15:45.11 | fas3r | dutchfish: netinstall with 2.6.20 kernel in etch |
| 15:45.19 | Gnurdux | Hammar, why would you want to? |
| 15:45.20 | Noboru | dutche-, if this time it works,i will ask him to plug out the keyboard and try it again |
| 15:45.34 | pengwyn | I bet the --purge switch fixes it |
| 15:45.46 | Hammar | Gnurdux: router does not support gigabit |
| 15:45.47 | Gnurdux | if you have a Realtek 100Mbit card, than it would use a different driver probably |
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| 15:45.47 | dutchfish | fas3r, i odnt think the kernel has something to do with that |
| 15:45.53 | Gnurdux | oh Hammar thats not a problem |
| 15:46.01 | Gnurdux | it will just run at 100mbit |
| 15:46.12 | dutchfish | fas3r, dont* (sorry for the typos) |
| 15:46.14 | fas3r | how to decompresse .deb file .... :s |
| 15:46.20 | Gnurdux | you dont need to mess with the driver |
| 15:46.29 | Hammar | Gnurdux: apparently it doesnt, dhcp resolution for debian mirrors fails during install |
| 15:46.42 | Gnurdux | you sure that thats what the problem is? |
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| 15:46.47 | pengwyn | fas3r F3 in midnight commander will let you in that .deb file |
| 15:47.09 | Noboru | by the way,if i just wanna shut it down, just do 'shutdown' ? |
| 15:47.12 | Hammar | only thing i could think of so far, W XP has no trouble whatsoever... |
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| 15:48.58 | fas3r | ok i have find |
| 15:49.03 | fas3r | thank everybody :) |
| 15:49.22 | dutchfish | fas3r, dpkg-deb --extract foo |
| 15:49.24 | Noboru | shutdown -h now ? |
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| 15:51.18 | dutchfish | Noboru, i would first let them check (or do it yourself) those bios settings anyway before reboot again |
| 15:51.26 | dramen | hello |
| 15:51.50 | dramen | does anybody know if there is a support for QT4 in kdevelop ?? |
| 15:52.12 | Noboru | hmmm |
| 15:52.13 | dramen | and how i can install it on my debian etch stable |
| 15:52.15 | dutchfish | Noboru, if you dont use ipmi, you should turn it off in bios (on per default) |
| 15:52.28 | Noboru | ipmi ? |
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| 15:53.13 | dutchfish | Noboru, yes, ipmi (dell systems have it standard nowadays) ask dpkg about ipmi |
| 15:54.18 | dutchfish | Noboru, but for sure, check "halt on keyb errors" enable/disable |
| 15:54.24 | Noboru | okay. by the way dutchfish , is this correct 'shutdown -h now' to shut it down ? |
| 15:54.25 | Gnurdux | Hammar, you sure that its supposed to be DHCP? |
| 15:54.33 | dutchfish | Noboru, yup |
| 15:54.47 | dutchfish | Noboru, or shutdown -r now (reboot) |
| 15:55.01 | Noboru | ok,wait ,im talking to the service guy in data-center. no,i won't reboot it |
| 15:55.16 | mrfree | I added acpi=off to my cmdline but booting mu etch I read in dmesg apm: overridden by ACPI |
| 15:55.25 | Noboru | i need to shut it down ,then call him to plug out keyboard,then repower on the server to check if it still asks for keyboard |
| 15:55.48 | dutchfish | Noboru, let him check those bios settings |
| 15:55.59 | Noboru | ok |
| 15:56.16 | dutchfish | Noboru, on reboot, that is [F2] at th etop of my head |
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| 15:57.35 | Noboru | dutche-, im not sure,f2 or f3 to enter in bios |
| 15:58.03 | dutchfish | Noboru, me neither, dell's normally have it F2, check your manual |
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| 15:58.25 | Noboru | okay. |
| 15:59.00 | Rapp | is the gimp package in testing broken? cannot install it -> says it want libwmf > 0.2.8, but only 0.2.7 is available |
| 15:59.02 | Noboru | i wonder if they can find the right item in bios where tells about keyboard related,the bios is written in english, very imconfortable. |
| 15:59.09 | Noboru | inconfortable. |
| 15:59.12 | zinx | un |
| 15:59.41 | zinx | Noboru: all of them are different, so there's not a lot anyone can do to help you really |
| 16:00.21 | pengwyn | I remember the days of dell hell, need a floppy to access bios. |
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| 16:00.38 | Rapp | anyone? |
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| 16:01.28 | Noboru | i cant believe it dell would set 'keyboard error as ON' by default :( |
| 16:01.33 | Noboru | just a guessing. |
| 16:01.37 | dutchfish | pengwyn, righty ;) |
| 16:01.39 | Rapp | my bad. got a broken sources.list... fixed... |
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| 16:02.18 | mrfree | I added acpi=off to my cmdline but booting mu etch I read in dmesg "apm: overridden by ACPI" I want to try APM on my old P2 instead of acpi |
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| 16:02.43 | rolled | is there a way to remove the progress bar completely when using bootsplash |
| 16:02.47 | Noboru | dutchfish, they say keybord failure after this test. |
| 16:02.52 | dutchfish | Noboru, no, but you bios could be resetted somehow, thats why i would check, also in the bios there is a fine thing called log ;) |
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| 16:03.12 | Noboru | i remember i have diasbled log. |
| 16:03.18 | Noboru | disabled logging . |
| 16:03.25 | dutchfish | Noboru, :( |
| 16:04.09 | dutchfish | Noboru, maybe there is halt on errors (with a drop down) ? |
| 16:04.15 | Noboru | dutchfish, keybord failure, i should ask them to change a new battary for bios chipset ? |
| 16:04.21 | daya | rolled, why you need it, I am trying to use splashy |
| 16:04.38 | daya | rolled,splashy for ltsp client |
| 16:04.51 | dutchfish | Noboru, if the battery was depleted you get that as an error message on boot? is it? |
| 16:05.25 | Noboru | dutchfish, wait,this is very funny. |
| 16:05.31 | rolled | daya: i dont understand what your trying to say, basically i just want the boot splash screen without a progress bar |
| 16:05.33 | spq | how can i compile a binary statically linked against an old glibc i have in a seperate directory? |
| 16:05.41 | dutchfish | Noboru, i wait :) |
| 16:05.56 | daya | rolled, o got it, |
| 16:06.16 | daya | rolled, I am also exploring splash screen |
| 16:06.23 | daya | rolled, is it in stable I mean etch ? |
| 16:06.32 | Noboru | dutchfish, they are telling me this: They were saying a message posted in the screen read as 'keybord failure', then,they plug a keyboard to it without shutting it down,the system continue rebooting . come on ???? icant believe it |
| 16:06.51 | rolled | daya: i only have been running unstable so no clue, and i just recompile the kernel with the bootsplash patch |
| 16:06.52 | dutchfish | Noboru, yup, thats normal |
| 16:07.00 | pengwyn | noboru, that's like the old KVM switch |
| 16:07.13 | Noboru | they are telling me : right after the kb was connected, the system continues to reboot right away |
| 16:07.24 | Noboru | oh |
| 16:07.36 | daya | rolled, oh, Have u seen splashy tool, w/o recompile |
| 16:07.38 | Noboru | i mean, this feature doesnt exit no most of desktops' ? |
| 16:07.44 | Noboru | on* |
| 16:07.45 | dutchfish | Noboru, yes, it checks for keyboard, and wait for that unless you flip a switch in bios |
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| 16:07.59 | rolled | daya: yes but i heard that its rather slow compared to bootsplash unless something has changed |
| 16:08.03 | Noboru | dutchfish, not a timeout ? |
| 16:08.03 | hendry | is avahi-daemon really neccessary? |
| 16:08.09 | spq | can i still build a woody chroot? |
| 16:08.13 | Noboru | dutchfish, i mean,no times up ? |
| 16:08.18 | daya | rolled, hm, |
| 16:08.25 | pengwyn | old kvm's only had switches, and don't slave in a load. |
| 16:08.30 | dutchfish | Noboru, no idee, could be, but it would be a long time (minutes) |
| 16:08.37 | daya | rolled, slow in the sense boot time |
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| 16:08.51 | Noboru | I see. hmm so what is the resoluton in my matter ? change a new battary ? |
| 16:09.03 | rolled | daya:slow as brining it up on the screen and displaying it, i mean bootsplash is instant |
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| 16:09.27 | dutchfish | Noboru, i would contact dell support, or read your manual letter for letter on bios setup |
| 16:09.27 | pengwyn | noboru, is it a remote server? |
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| 16:09.40 | daya | rolled, hmm, probably ubuntu implements by different , any idea, usplash |
| 16:09.40 | Nostahl | what options do i have for using things like yahoo radio (it requires ie6 or higher) is there some sort of ie emulator browser i can get? |
| 16:09.44 | logd | hi does exists a program that warns and eventually prevents a program modify certain file types ? |
| 16:09.48 | Noboru | yes,in the data-centre. |
| 16:10.25 | rolled | daya: well no clue about unbuntu i always had probs with their amd64 versions never displaying a bootscreen and just getting black screens |
| 16:10.48 | Noboru | dutchfish, if there was a low battary for bios, besides the kb error message,it will has a hint too ? |
| 16:10.58 | derobert_work | Can anyone tell me why nscd [amd64] suddenly gained a dependency on libc6-i386 in 4.0r2? |
| 16:11.05 | pengwyn | noboru, probably no hint |
| 16:11.06 | daya | rolled, amm |
| 16:11.06 | dutchfish | Noboru, yes, you would get a message (for sure) |
| 16:11.16 | pengwyn | lol |
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| 16:11.26 | pengwyn | go with dutchfish. |
| 16:11.39 | pengwyn | i'll shut up |
| 16:11.42 | Noboru | dutchfish, oh,with this info probabbly helps,i set password for bios ,if it went back to default, the passwod i set would be gone ? |
| 16:11.50 | dutchfish | Noboru, yes, you would get a message (for sure) i manage quiet alot of simular servers, and i know |
| 16:11.56 | Noboru | i mean,i can call them to check this out to make sure |
| 16:12.08 | dutchfish | Noboru, yup |
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| 16:12.34 | Noboru | okay,so i call them to enter bios to check if the passwd exits,this easy to figure the real problem is. |
| 16:12.36 | ]Spectre[ | hi |
| 16:12.47 | dutchfish | Noboru, maybe your keyboard port is burned out? and more options, just contact dell on this, they help you out |
| 16:13.46 | dutchfish | Noboru, we know now its not related to your update |
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| 16:14.17 | dutchfish | Noboru, but prolly a hardware issue |
| 16:14.59 | logd | hi does exists a program that warns and eventually prevents a program modify certain file types ? |
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| 16:15.43 | new | how can i install the newest version of kdevelop. i am using debian etch stable |
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| 16:15.52 | new | and i just have kdevelop-3.3.5 |
| 16:16.06 | ZLIA | hi, can anyhelp me to install skype and mplayer ? |
| 16:16.17 | ZLIA | anyone* |
| 16:16.18 | Noboru | dutchfish, probably now,or both . |
| 16:16.22 | Nostahl | type apt-get install mplayer |
| 16:16.37 | ZLIA | Nostahl i do not have many libs |
| 16:16.38 | wols | !tell ZLIA about dmm |
| 16:16.51 | wols | !tell ZLIA about skype |
| 16:16.54 | Noboru | dutchfish, because i do 'init 6',sometimes it wont reboot,this started to happen right after i ugprade apache and php and mysql and stuff. |
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| 16:17.33 | ZLIA | i have skype*.deb but depends from so many libs |
| 16:17.38 | ZLIA | and i can't install them |
| 16:17.41 | dutchfish | Noboru, for that i have no explanation, i dont use it, just shutdown [para] or reboot |
| 16:17.51 | Nostahl | would vmware "xp" kill my dell inspiron 1000 with 512 megs of ram? |
| 16:18.10 | spq | !woody |
| 16:18.11 | dpkg | rumour has it, woody is the codename of Debian 3.0, released on July 19, 2002. Ask me about "woody->sarge". Security support for woody was terminated on 2006-06-30. Woody was archived on 2007-01-10 but ISO-s are still available: http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/archive/images/3.0_r6/. Ask me about <archive>. |
| 16:18.22 | Noboru | dutchfish, i guess shutdown does not equal to init 0 completely ? |
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| 16:18.32 | wols | ZLIA: dpkg -l libc6 |tail -1 |
| 16:18.35 | spq | !archive |
| 16:18.35 | dpkg | methinks archive is a collection of files. 'tar', 'ar', 'cpio' are all archiving tools. This is *not* the same as compression, which is a separate operation. Maybe: http://www.debian.org/distrib/archive or even http://snapshot.debian.net, or http://archive.debian.org/ |
| 16:18.45 | Noboru | i mean shutdown does not completely equal to init 0 ? |
| 16:19.07 | dutchfish | Noboru, i cant tel you but others prolly can |
| 16:19.17 | ZLIA | ii libc6 2.3.6.ds1-13etch2 GNU C Library: Shared libraries |
| 16:19.26 | real0ne | any body can help me with the configuration of x server |
| 16:19.27 | Noboru | ok,forget about it,they will check my bios 10 minutes later. |
| 16:19.27 | tommy99 | hi, does anyone know in which package the applications init, reboot,halt, shutdown, .... are included? |
| 16:19.43 | wols | !tell tommy99 about search |
| 16:20.00 | wols | ZLIA: then use the factoids dpkg messaged you |
| 16:20.57 | tommy99 | wols thanks! |
| 16:21.31 | wols | real0ne: what debian version do you run? |
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| 16:21.38 | mrfree | I'd like to cleanup my etch (I have some old package installed) can you suggest me some links? |
| 16:21.38 | real0ne | etch |
| 16:21.44 | dutchfish | Noboru, this helps maybe a bit on the init hang: http://www.busybox.net/lists/busybox/2007-November/029310.html |
| 16:21.44 | real0ne | ple help me wols |
| 16:21.56 | wols | real0ne: pastebin your full Xorg log |
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| 16:22.16 | wols | mrfree: debfoster, deborphan? |
| 16:22.18 | real0ne | wols http://www.mastos1.com/Xorg.0.log |
| 16:22.37 | valdyn | !clean up debian |
| 16:22.42 | real0ne | ple help me, ihave this problem a long time and any one want to helpme |
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| 16:23.13 | mrfree | wols, aptitude reports some "obsolete" packages... but I don't know debian package system |
| 16:23.46 | wols | real0ne: what ppc is it? which powerbook? |
| 16:23.55 | wols | !tell mrfree about bat |
| 16:23.56 | real0ne | yes |
| 16:23.57 | real0ne | ys |
| 16:24.00 | real0ne | yes wols |
| 16:24.35 | wols | real0ne: which one is it? |
| 16:24.53 | real0ne | powerbook G4 |
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| 16:25.16 | mrfree | wols, I found an howto about debian cleanup, I think I'm going to start with it ;) |
| 16:25.19 | wols | there are a dozen different models of that. which one? |
| 16:25.21 | valdyn | why would "Build Operating System: UNKNOWN " in a debian package? |
| 16:25.54 | real0ne | ok |
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| 16:26.09 | real0ne | wols can u say how i know my powerbook |
| 16:26.21 | wols | screensize for example |
| 16:26.27 | real0ne | 12" |
| 16:26.34 | real0ne | powerbook G4 12" |
| 16:26.37 | valdyn | real0ne: you should tell us which OS / debian release this really is |
| 16:26.46 | real0ne | 4 |
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| 16:27.07 | real0ne | the latest version on www.debian.org |
| 16:27.44 | real0ne | i thing ther is just a smal errore on this file /var/log/Xorg.0.log |
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| 16:28.43 | wols | real0ne: http://labs.involutive.com/2007/06/07/gentoo-on-a-powerbook-g4-12-super/ |
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| 16:29.05 | wols | real0ne: the part about the trackpad/touchpad there |
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| 16:29.24 | wols | but I don't have a touchpad so I can't truly say, sorry |
| 16:29.52 | real0ne | look plz |
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| 16:30.07 | real0ne | i have 1Go on my CPU |
| 16:30.16 | real0ne | so that is not my pc |
| 16:30.19 | real0ne | plz |
| 16:30.22 | real0ne | help me |
| 16:30.28 | real0ne | that is just a smal Problem |
| 16:30.41 | xand | don't state the size of your problem ;) |
| 16:30.49 | real0ne | i have like this Problem |
| 16:31.02 | real0ne | one time and u have delete one thing into /var/log/Xorg.0.log |
| 16:31.14 | real0ne | i have logger on with my graphic interface |
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| 16:33.49 | enouf | can someone show me their output of; ls -l /etc/default/syslogd and /klogd ? mine are set to 0755 perms, and yet everything else in /etc/default/ is set to 0644 |
| 16:33.57 | real0ne | i know now the problem |
| 16:34.11 | real0ne | when i deleate some thing in /var/log/Xorg.0.log |
| 16:34.17 | real0ne | he dont save that |
| 16:34.24 | deconvolution | hello, I uses openssl generated a self signed root CA and ldap cert/key being adopted with my ldaps server. When I use client on the server side, it works well and the cert was verified. But when I copy such CA file into another workstation and launch the exact client command, openssl complains that the certs verify was failed. Anyone has clue for this problem? |
| 16:34.30 | valdyn | real0ne: what the fuck |
| 16:34.59 | real0ne | no fuck |
| 16:35.01 | real0ne | ^^ |
| 16:37.08 | enouf | i think this is affecting why i always seem to have two instances of syslogd running O.o |
| 16:37.09 | enouf | $ pstree -lunap | grep syslog | xargs echo |
| 16:37.09 | enouf | |-syslogd,1330 |-syslogd,3623 |-apt-index-watch,3644 watch --syslog | | |-grep,29572 syslog |
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| 16:38.01 | enouf | (but klogd, only one instance) |
| 16:38.33 | enouf | i haven't done anything in /etc/sysctl.conf save to enable kernel magic sysrq |
| 16:38.37 | valdyn | enouf: they're +x, i doubt that has an effect though |
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| 16:39.20 | DawnLight | hello. i need module for cvs.sourceforge.net:/cvsroot/rtl8180-sa2400 |
| 16:39.36 | DawnLight | sorry, for rtl8180 |
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| 16:40.23 | enouf | valdyn: correct, +x for all seems to have been added at some point - weird .. that doesn't sound so good to me especially for system and kernel logs |
| 16:40.23 | DawnLight | oh dpkg sais it is evil |
| 16:40.54 | enouf | DawnLight: run towards the light! |
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| 16:41.48 | Noboru | dutchfish, sitll there ? |
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| 16:42.09 | Noboru | dutchfish, they checked my bios, and correct it, now without keyboard connected, reboot has no problem |
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| 16:42.24 | enouf | bad buggy bios, bad |
| 16:42.45 | Noboru | dutchfish, additionally,they told me , the password i set for BIOS setup is still there, so we can make sure it is NOt due to low battary of bios right ? |
| 16:42.56 | dutchfish | Noboru, yes |
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| 16:43.24 | Noboru | i dont know,but i would assume if the bios goes back to default due to low battary,all info including the password will be gone. |
| 16:43.29 | dutchfish | Noboru, luckely it is solved, mary xmas ! |
| 16:43.44 | enouf | valdyn: do you think it's ok for me to alter perms to 0644 as all others have? i mean, do you foresee any repercussions? |
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| 16:44.02 | dutchfish | Noboru, i need to go to dinner table, cya |
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| 16:44.15 | enouf | valdyn: the real trick will be to figure out which syslogd to stop :-p |
| 16:44.19 | pengwyn | if the battery dies there would be no password |
| 16:44.23 | pengwyn | noboru ^ |
| 16:44.38 | Noboru | I see, Thank you all guys :D |
| 16:44.40 | creative | could any1 install 7.12 ati driver ?? |
| 16:44.43 | taime1 | so, did anyone notice that on distrowatch, the download mirror section for the updated debian etch release points to sidux.com? |
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| 16:45.06 | gamecod4 | hi all |
| 16:45.06 | enouf | nice |
| 16:45.11 | taime1 | is that intentional or an "oops" ? |
| 16:45.11 | pengwyn | noboru, unless dell has some chip that saves the password. |
| 16:45.16 | logd | hi does exists a program that warns and eventually prevents a program modify certain file types ? |
| 16:45.20 | gamecod4 | i've a problem with Cron |
| 16:45.21 | enouf | hopefully an oops |
| 16:45.27 | Noboru | hmm now i see, they might have had a kb connected to my server for a long time after i moved into their data-center |
| 16:45.28 | real0ne | my Problem is |
| 16:45.34 | enouf | email the webmaster |
| 16:45.39 | real0ne | when i delate some thing |
| 16:45.41 | Noboru | so after that,i didnt find any problem in rebooting until one day they plug it out |
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| 16:45.44 | fas3r | someone use kerberos authentification on windows 2003 domain ? |
| 16:45.45 | real0ne | he don't save |
| 16:45.50 | nuxis | hey in wich package is glxinfo? |
| 16:46.00 | Noboru | pengwyn, i dont like dell by the way,it loads very slow |
| 16:46.04 | valdyn | !tell nuxis about search |
| 16:46.05 | enouf | apt-cache search glxinfo |
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| 16:46.12 | fas3r | i need to add my linux machine on my domain ? or i add it with the command net ads join ... ? |
| 16:46.17 | riot | hiya |
| 16:46.27 | pengwyn | noboru, I am honestly only familiar with the OLD dells. |
| 16:46.44 | enouf | mesa-utils: /usr/bin/glxinfo (output from "dlocate glxinfo") |
| 16:46.52 | pengwyn | noboru, and even then only vaugly now. It's been some time |
| 16:47.02 | riot | how do i setup (eplus) umts via a nokia e-series phone? I have ppp installed and a /dev/ttyACM0 already |
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| 16:47.31 | taime1 | should i email distrowatch? |
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| 16:47.49 | enouf | taime1: sure, what are they going to do, arrest you? |
| 16:47.55 | taime1 | hehe |
| 16:47.57 | taime1 | mebe |
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| 16:48.14 | akuehntopf | hello...is it possible to prevent apt from installing gnome-office when doing apt-get install gnome? |
| 16:48.18 | kamathln | hi huge problem in unstable |
| 16:48.18 | kamathln | http://pastebin.com/d5244ef71 |
| 16:48.25 | akuehntopf | like adding that package somewhere to blacklist or something like that |
| 16:48.28 | enouf | just inform them, asking if it's a mistake, or tell them it is nciely - or maybe not so nicely :-P |
| 16:48.55 | kamathln | enouf: is that for me ? |
| 16:49.05 | enouf | kamathln: nah, sry |
| 16:49.10 | kamathln | k |
| 16:49.14 | Noboru | pengwyn, i mean it loads very slowly in booting. |
| 16:49.22 | cahoot | kamathln: checked BTS? |
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| 16:49.40 | kamathln | Whats that ?? |
| 16:49.43 | real0ne | i use nano /var/log/Xorg.0.log and delete some thing as root he don't save |
| 16:49.43 | Noboru | pengwyn, i hate seeing that dell logo remains on screen for like 3 minutes or so. |
| 16:49.43 | real0ne | i use nano /var/log/Xorg.0.log and delete some thing as root he don't save |
| 16:49.55 | kamathln | cahoot: oh bug tracking system |
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| 16:50.08 | enouf | what the fuck real0ne ? |
| 16:50.08 | kamathln | cahoot: will do.. thx for waking me up |
| 16:50.12 | enouf | :-P |
| 16:50.13 | cahoot | kamathln: well since you run unstable |
| 16:50.27 | Noboru | pengwyn, by the way,it can detect RAM,after i added another 2GB ram to the system,it auto found it and post a message before boot .:) |
| 16:50.33 | Noboru | ram changing. |
| 16:50.36 | real0ne | fuck your mother enouf |
| 16:50.44 | taime1 | hm.. |
| 16:51.03 | enouf | anything you say b0z0 |
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| 16:51.22 | enouf | you've won a one-way ticket into the b0z0 box ;-) |
| 16:51.37 | akuehntopf | hello...is it possible to prevent apt from installing gnome-office when doing apt-get install gnome? |
| 16:51.43 | taime1 | itsa gooda in derz |
| 16:51.49 | taime1 | no gooda* |
| 16:52.01 | pengwyn | noboru, you might look for a setting in bios called fastboot. It might or might not exist. I feel your pain. |
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| 16:52.29 | pengwyn | noboru, it probably boots as fast as my compaq 386 portable with 1k ram |
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| 16:54.37 | enouf | akuehntopf: try "-gnome-office" at then end of the line - i haven't had to use this method, "/msg dpkg apt howto" |
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| 16:55.13 | suppaman | hello |
| 16:55.30 | akuehntopf | hm enouf that doesnt work |
| 16:55.32 | enouf | akuehntopf: er, looks like a real depends, so, likely not without breaking stuff |
| 16:55.47 | akuehntopf | gnome cannot depend on gnome-office |
| 16:55.49 | akuehntopf | or ekiga |
| 16:55.51 | akuehntopf | or whatever |
| 16:55.52 | akuehntopf | ;) |
| 16:55.57 | enouf | akuehntopf: apt-cache depends gnome |
| 16:56.12 | SerajewelKS | real0ne: why are you editing a log anyway |
| 16:56.18 | akuehntopf | yes, enouf |
| 16:56.25 | akuehntopf | because its a metapackage |
| 16:56.50 | enouf | akuehntopf: start installing them a few at a time, use -s option to see what pulls in gnome-office, or rdepends gnome-office .. or whatever |
| 16:58.26 | kamathln | cahoot: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=374221 |
| 16:58.44 | kamathln | cahoot: only one match found |
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| 16:59.10 | enouf | hehe; akuehntopf $ tasksel --task-packages gnome-desktop | grep office |
| 16:59.29 | kamathln | cahoot: but his error contains xserver-common-v3 where as mine contains xserver-s3v |
| 16:59.40 | taime1 | okay, i showed distrowatch the error of their ways |
| 16:59.56 | gigo | real0ne: don't flood and don't use obscene language. |
| 17:00.29 | kamathln | cahoot: ?? |
| 17:00.59 | cahoot | kamathln: maybe time for a new bugreport? |
| 17:01.17 | akuehntopf | has anyone used ext4dev, yet? |
| 17:01.20 | logd | hi does exists a program that warns and eventually prevents a program modify certain file types ? |
| 17:01.26 | enouf | taime1: nice ;-) |
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| 17:01.53 | enouf | logd: that sounds soo window-ee |
| 17:02.32 | \amethyst | logd: can you explain in more detail what you're looking to prevent? |
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| 17:03.02 | Nostahl | so i got wireless setup lastnight all in the command line |
| 17:03.19 | Nostahl | im thinkin of takin the laptop out today and i'd like a gui for showing me networks it finds and such |
| 17:03.28 | Nostahl | any idea what a great little app for that is? |
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| 17:04.25 | petemc | network manager |
| 17:04.26 | Yancho | i installed compiz .. from where can i load it now please? need to put a config |
| 17:04.29 | kamathln | cahoot: sory for late answer .. on phone.. |
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| 17:04.32 | kamathln | cahoot: yep |
| 17:05.02 | cusco | Yancho: launch fusion-icon |
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| 17:05.12 | kamathln | taime1: try #distrowatch too |
| 17:05.13 | Yancho | from where pls cusco ? |
| 17:05.23 | cusco | command line |
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| 17:05.45 | Yancho | kk thanks alot cusco :) |
| 17:05.54 | SerajewelKS | !pls |
| 17:05.54 | dpkg | Cud u plz spk englsh bcuz wen u spk lke ths u luk lke a moron. |
| 17:06.01 | aleksanteri | lol |
| 17:06.16 | logd | \amethyst, mean it would be easier to set permissions accordingly ? |
| 17:06.54 | enouf | wow, nice explanation there ;-) |
| 17:07.32 | kamathln | SerajewelKS: please share the decompression algorith under a GPL license before using that compression algorithm on a public channel ? |
| 17:07.52 | SerajewelKS | kamathln: i didn't, dpkg did |
| 17:08.13 | Yancho | cusco strangely : command not found :| |
| 17:08.19 | SerajewelKS | kamathln: but for most purposes, this will do: s/.//g |
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| 17:08.54 | kamathln | SerajewelKS: Sorry, all that non-parsable compression had screwed my stack |
| 17:09.14 | SerajewelKS | kamathln: that's what she said |
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| 17:09.46 | kamathln | SerajewelKS: ok ok .. now let us let it rest |
| 17:10.00 | SerajewelKS | kamathln: ... that's what she said? |
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| 17:11.32 | JordiGH | Maybe you guys can save me some time. I have file in a webserver that I want to split into smaller files, BUT, I don't have enough space to hold copies of both the original file and the splitted portions of it. What can be done? |
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| 17:11.53 | JordiGH | The alternative is to delete the file from the webserver, split locally, and upload the splits. |
| 17:12.04 | Papel | Ntech solution |
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| 17:12.16 | JordiGH | But I'd rather avoid uploading the file again, as it's rather large. |
| 17:12.23 | pengwyn | move to another partition, do work, move it back . download, do work, upload |
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| 17:12.45 | pengwyn | df -ha |
| 17:12.59 | Papel | i can't script |
| 17:13.29 | JordiGH | pengwyn: Don't have another partition. This seems like it should be an easy problem, just cleave the file through the middle, but I'm surprised there's no way to do this without creating copies. :-) |
| 17:13.39 | JordiGH | pengwyn: And I'm trying to avoid clogging up the network again. |
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| 17:14.16 | pengwyn | right. check your df -ha to doublecheck if there MIGHT be a partition available to work |
| 17:14.28 | pengwyn | how big is the file? |
| 17:14.33 | real0ne | i want a small help |
| 17:14.47 | pengwyn | just askin |
| 17:14.53 | JordiGH | 2 gigs. |
| 17:14.57 | pengwyn | ouch |
| 17:15.06 | real0ne | am root and when i modify some file and save it he don't sav eanything |
| 17:15.09 | JordiGH | I've run afoul an old server that has the 2 gig limit in its apache. |
| 17:15.28 | JordiGH | real0ne: How are you modifying the file, how are you saving it? |
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| 17:15.43 | cahoot | still Xorg.0.log? |
| 17:15.43 | real0ne | with nano |
| 17:15.46 | real0ne | yes |
| 17:15.46 | suppaman | JordiGH: do you have ssh access to the server ? |
| 17:15.50 | wols | JordiGH: then upgrade your server to etch? |
| 17:15.52 | JordiGH | suppaman: Yes. |
| 17:16.18 | JordiGH | wols: It's not my server. |
| 17:16.18 | real0ne | i make Ctrl+x then o |
| 17:16.18 | real0ne | but he don't save (( |
| 17:16.25 | cahoot | real0ne: just curious - why edit that specific file? |
| 17:16.28 | suppaman | JordiGH: anyway you cannot "split the file in two" you'll have to duplicate some content anyway |
| 17:16.31 | pengwyn | one more question ;o) is that a 2GB logfile? |
| 17:16.58 | suppaman | JordiGH: how many space is there left on the disk ? |
| 17:17.00 | JordiGH | suppaman: *sigh* Ok, then. I'll just have to re-upload. |
| 17:17.03 | real0ne | cahoot don't anwser my quoition with another quoition |
| 17:17.21 | suppaman | you could split it in pieces while it's there |
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| 17:17.30 | JordiGH | suppaman: There's about a gig left. I was hoping I could use dd in a clever fashion. |
| 17:17.47 | real0ne | help plz |
| 17:17.57 | real0ne | any one know this Problem |
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| 17:18.34 | suppaman | JordiGH: mm I fear you'll run out of space |
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| 17:18.39 | JordiGH | real0ne: Do you get an error message? |
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| 17:18.57 | suppaman | JordiGH: you could of course split a 1gb file and save that part of upload ? |
| 17:18.59 | JordiGH | suppaman: I just need to be able to download the file. I thought I could dd the first half of it to a copy, download that copy, delete it, and the dd the second half. |
| 17:19.01 | suppaman | err, no question mark |
| 17:19.33 | suppaman | oh sure then, dd if=yourfile of=part01 bs=1024k count=N |
| 17:19.34 | pengwyn | man, just download the 2 Gigs |
| 17:19.46 | suppaman | where N is the number of Mb |
| 17:19.55 | suppaman | pengwyn: probably he cannot |
| 17:19.57 | JordiGH | pengwyn: I can't download 2 gigs because of an old Apache bug. |
| 17:20.05 | real0ne | no one anwser me always (((((((( |
| 17:20.20 | JordiGH | real0ne: I asked you a question. If you got an error message. |
| 17:20.25 | pengwyn | hmm, you might need to shift data all around then |
| 17:20.35 | creative | could any1 install the newest 8.433 driver on sid ?? |
| 17:20.40 | pengwyn | not a good situation |
| 17:20.44 | suppaman | real0ne: you're noisy and I did not even read your question |
| 17:20.51 | suppaman | creative: what are they ? |
| 17:21.01 | suppaman | creative: I mean driver what for ? |
| 17:21.07 | creative | ati driver |
| 17:21.26 | pengwyn | SFTP that 2 GB off the drive |
| 17:21.31 | JordiGH | Do we have free ATI drivers yet? :-) |
| 17:21.33 | pengwyn | you do have ssh ? |
| 17:21.35 | suppaman | correct |
| 17:21.37 | suppaman | pengwyn: he has |
| 17:21.43 | JordiGH | pengwyn: I could do that... but sftp doesn't have resume. |
| 17:21.45 | pengwyn | then bypass that bug |
| 17:21.57 | pengwyn | who hosts the data? |
| 17:22.02 | pengwyn | ask them to burn a disk |
| 17:22.05 | suppaman | JordiGH: ftp access ? |
| 17:22.06 | pengwyn | it will cost money |
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| 17:22.18 | JordiGH | suppaman: Hm, I don't think I have ftp access. |
| 17:22.22 | suppaman | check it |
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| 17:22.59 | suppaman | I think a few packages I've just installed in etch have wrong gnome menu position |
| 17:23.06 | suppaman | should I report it at all ? |
| 17:23.15 | JordiGH | Hm, I do have ftp access! |
| 17:23.19 | JordiGH | Well, anonymous access. |
| 17:23.33 | JordiGH | I just have to figure out where the pub directory is. |
| 17:23.41 | suppaman | JordiGH: use your own account |
| 17:23.43 | ]Spectre[ | Hi to all.I'm using netinst iso on a laptop but the debian installer seems that doesn't recognize the network hardware.can you help me? |
| 17:23.51 | JordiGH | suppaman: The ftp server only accepts anonymous logins. |
| 17:24.00 | suppaman | crappy |
| 17:24.06 | pengwyn | move the data to your anonymous access |
| 17:24.28 | pengwyn | using SFTP and Dragging the date up and down directories |
| 17:24.35 | pengwyn | date = data |
| 17:24.49 | pengwyn | or mc if you have shell |
| 17:24.59 | suppaman | ]Spectre[: first get a name without square, second does it just seem not to recognize hw or it doesn't recognize hw ? |
| 17:24.59 | JordiGH | Right, I think that's what I'll do. |
| 17:25.00 | pengwyn | or command line |
| 17:25.02 | JordiGH | Thanks for the ideas. |
| 17:25.07 | suppaman | brackets* |
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| 17:25.46 | suppaman | have to go |
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| 17:25.52 | pengwyn | being out of space sucks |
| 17:26.15 | _spectre_ | suppaman,When I try to configure the network,I get "Network autoconfiguration failed" |
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| 17:26.56 | Nostahl | what do i do to get acrobat reader |
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| 17:27.06 | JordiGH | Nostahl: What for? |
| 17:27.08 | _spectre_ | what's the problem with the squares ? |
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| 17:27.26 | wols | _spectre_: what network chip do you have |
| 17:27.33 | wols | _spectre_: it fucks up tab complete |
| 17:27.38 | pengwyn | _spectre_ square characters? |
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| 17:27.49 | wols | pengwyn: ][ |
| 17:27.57 | Nostahl | what are PS documents |
| 17:27.58 | pengwyn | nm |
| 17:28.12 | _spectre_ | for curiosity,what's the problems with the squares ? :) |
| 17:28.19 | _spectre_ | wols,wait a minut |
| 17:29.09 | wols | Nostahl: PS = postscript |
| 17:29.14 | JordiGH | Nostahl: PS documents are postscript. They can be read by Ghostview. |
| 17:29.31 | JordiGH | Nostahl: I'm not even sure Acrobat reader reads postscript documents... |
| 17:29.34 | phalacee | Nostahl, PostScript Documents, or if you mean PSD ... that means Photoshop Documents, but generallly PS Documents are Post Script, like EPS |
| 17:30.05 | Nostahl | what package gives me ghostview |
| 17:30.12 | pengwyn | post script can generally rip into acrobat .psd files |
| 17:30.19 | JordiGH | Nostahl: Odds are it's already installed. gv |
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| 17:30.37 | JordiGH | Nostahl: Do you have a desktop install? I personally like Kghostview myself, but it's a KDE app. |
| 17:30.51 | Nostahl | i have xfce |
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| 17:30.56 | phalacee | JordiGH, it does, after all Adobe championed the PS format... |
| 17:30.59 | Nostahl | got the debian xfce iso |
| 17:31.27 | pengwyn | or pdf I mean |
| 17:31.27 | Nostahl | ghostview -v dosnt show up in terminal |
| 17:31.43 | pengwyn | psd files == pdf files nm |
| 17:31.49 | JordiGH | phalacee: I thought Adobe had another program for reading ps... |
| 17:31.50 | phalacee | anywho, its 2:30 am, and I have errands to run tomorrow. TTYL folks. |
| 17:31.59 | JordiGH | Nostahl: it's gv |
| 17:32.16 | Nostahl | gv -v ? |
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| 17:32.25 | JordiGH | Nostahl: "gv thefile.ps" |
| 17:32.26 | mknug | if i display a static image on an lcd monitor for weeks, but slowly fade the image in and out, will i still be likely to notice image persistence? |
| 17:32.33 | phalacee | JordiGH, no, you can use Adobe acrobat reader, you just need the plugins ... |
| 17:32.43 | JordiGH | phalacee: Aha, plugins. |
| 17:32.46 | wols | mknug: TFT shouldn't have burn in |
| 17:33.01 | JordiGH | Yeah, I bet Acrobat reader has a plugin for sending email too. ;-) |
| 17:33.08 | mknug | even if i display big white letters on a black background? |
| 17:33.17 | Nostahl | gv command not found |
| 17:33.21 | mknug | which never change |
| 17:33.23 | _spectre_ | wols,http://www.pcnextday.co.uk/resources/productPDF/3810-6220.pdf ,it's the hardware wireless board on the laptop |
| 17:33.33 | pengwyn | doesn't mc have ps support? e.g. gv %1 |
| 17:33.54 | hoxu | !forgive mknug |
| 17:33.54 | dpkg | Well, mknug boy, I guess I could do that. But I believe forgiving is God's job, I'm just arranging the meeting. *blows mknug head apart with .44 magnum* |
| 17:34.05 | Nostahl | how do i get ghostview lol |
| 17:34.09 | mknug | heh |
| 17:34.09 | JordiGH | Nostahl: aptitude install evince. Might as well use evince. It's prettier than gv. |
| 17:34.15 | hoxu | !tell Nostahl about search |
| 17:34.16 | Nostahl | k |
| 17:35.17 | Nostahl | ty that did the ticket |
| 17:36.19 | pengwyn | Glad you figured it out. I was gonna say apt-cache search gv |
| 17:37.10 | _spectre_ | I'm trying to install debian from the netinst iso,I have an aw780 wireless board and the debian installer doesn't recognize it,can you help me ? thanks |
| 17:37.24 | wols | _spectre_: this doesn't say what chip it is |
| 17:37.24 | xuser_ | _spectre_: you can't. |
| 17:37.42 | JordiGH | dpkg believes in god! |
| 17:37.47 | xuser_ | _spectre_: the netinst doesn't support wireless. |
| 17:37.57 | xuser_ | i think... |
| 17:37.59 | pengwyn | dpkg is godless!? |
| 17:38.01 | JordiGH | xuser_: Not even for a ralink chipset? |
| 17:38.14 | JordiGH | pengwyn: "But I believe forgiving is God's job." |
| 17:38.15 | wols | _spectre_: for most wlan chips you will need firmware and often non-free drievrs too which means debian can't ship them on CDs, especially not on netinst CDs |
| 17:38.26 | _spectre_ | thanks wols |
| 17:38.47 | wols | xuser_: it does, same as an yother debian CD but the chips supported are almost nonexistant. orinoco is about the only one I think |
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| 17:39.03 | wols | JordiGH: ralink needs firmware |
| 17:39.23 | wols | JordiGH: and debian doesn't ship it no. might change if ralink ever goes into mainline kernel |
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| 17:39.32 | xuser_ | wols: i see, well, i read this: http://www.debian.org/CD/netinst/ |
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| 17:39.51 | _spectre_ | wols,I have found the chip name "Atheros series AR5xxx" |
| 17:40.00 | xuser_ | What types of network connections are supported during installation? The network install assumes that you have a connection to the Internet either using analogue PPP dial-up or using an ethernet connection. This may be through a PCMCIA adapter on laptops. Internal (PCI) ISDN cards and WLAN cards are not supported . sorry! |
| 17:40.12 | pengwyn | JordiGH: I don't have a god - per se. |
| 17:40.18 | _spectre_ | thanks xuser_ |
| 17:40.30 | JordiGH | wols: What? I thought ralink's firmware was free too? :-( |
| 17:41.12 | JordiGH | wols: Even the FSF approves of ralink chipsets! |
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| 17:41.21 | suwro | hello |
| 17:41.51 | pengwyn | can a netinstall CD use a modules floppy? |
| 17:42.07 | wols | JordiGH: but it's not in the kernel because it's quality is... well shit |
| 17:42.10 | _spectre_ | I'll try to install it without wireless link,bye |
| 17:42.16 | wols | bad code won't get in the kernel no matter how Free it is |
| 17:42.18 | pengwyn | lol |
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| 17:42.26 | pengwyn | nm on the last question |
| 17:42.34 | JordiGH | wols: How is it bad? |
| 17:42.44 | wols | doesn't work :) |
| 17:42.52 | JordiGH | wols: It's working for a friend. :-/ |
| 17:42.55 | wols | there is a new development underway tho but it's not done yet |
| 17:42.58 | suwro | i am having problems on setting apache mod_ssl - It's on localhost and i have a signed ssl from comodo. When i type http://localhost - ssl key is signed - if i go in any subdir (http://localhost/whatever) ssl is unsigned - can someone pls help? |
| 17:43.20 | wols | JordiGH: notice how you can build the ralink stuff with m-a |
| 17:44.06 | JordiGH | wols: No, I hadn't. Why? |
| 17:44.12 | suwro | umm - i have in my folders links - can that be the problem? the folder is actually a link |
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| 17:44.23 | JordiGH | directory! |
| 17:44.41 | JordiGH | I never liked the folder analogy. Real folders don't contain a tree of subfolders. |
| 17:45.02 | pingouin | how can i turn on the /var/log/boot ? |
| 17:45.04 | wols | JordiGH: new ralink pci driver in in kernel 2.6.24 btw |
| 17:45.05 | hoxu | !penixstrike JordiGH |
| 17:45.06 | dpkg | A towering Penix descends from the heavens, knocking JordiGH to the ground and leaving a large wet spot. |
| 17:45.10 | wols | so next debian should have it |
| 17:45.16 | \amethyst | JordiGH: real directories don't usually contain a tree of subdirectories either :) |
| 17:45.16 | wols | !bootlog |
| 17:45.17 | dpkg | well, bootlogd is disabled by default. Change /etc/default/bootlogd to "Yes" to get your /var/log/boot file. For the reason behind the default, see http://bugs.debian.org/213028 (fixed since sysvinit 2.86.ds1-11). Not a command (as opposed to dmesg) |
| 17:45.36 | wols | \amethyst: tell this to my / |
| 17:45.37 | pingouin | thanks you very much wols |
| 17:45.42 | wols | lots of shitty subdirs all over! |
| 17:45.50 | \amethyst | wols: I mean "directory" as in the phone book :) |
| 17:46.00 | pengwyn | why call directories folders? |
| 17:46.26 | hoxu | just a little bit more and you've actually answered the question |
| 17:46.35 | suwro | is'nt the same thing (directory|folder) only semantics differ - both words reffer to the same thing. |
| 17:46.36 | pengwyn | subfolders, subdirectories, folders, directories |
| 17:46.51 | JordiGH | \amethyst: directory has other meanings besides phone book directory. It did before computers! |
| 17:46.54 | pengwyn | it's a windows vs linux thing |
| 17:47.01 | \amethyst | suwro: "folder" is the Windows/Mac name, "directory" the traditional Unix name |
| 17:47.03 | pengwyn | that's my opinion |
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| 17:47.26 | pengwyn | in win, it's a folder, in linux/unix it's a dir |
| 17:47.29 | suwro | amethyst: you-re right - i just took a peek on ls ;) |
| 17:47.33 | Batchy | win3.1 didn't use ''folder'' |
| 17:47.35 | JordiGH | wols: Just a pci driver, but no firmware? |
| 17:47.36 | nexxu | hi, where can I modify the xmodmap for the whole system ? |
| 17:47.55 | pengwyn | Batchy, neither did DOS |
| 17:48.00 | \amethyst | Batchy: correct, it still used the DOS terminology, which was "directory" |
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| 17:48.32 | pengwyn | folder is a office terminolgy |
| 17:48.38 | pengwyn | I think |
| 17:49.16 | pengwyn | okay I won't hijack the channel again, but I have always hated / wondered abou this |
| 17:49.39 | pengwyn | they say make directory, not make folder |
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| 17:49.58 | pengwyn | md or mkdir |
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| 17:50.15 | \amethyst | sometimes a distinction is made between directories (the thing on the filesystem) and folders (the graphical representation of directories, though sometimes there are folders without a corresponding directory) |
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| 17:50.49 | wols | JordiGH: afaik it's a fully working with firmware too |
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| 17:51.36 | xand | directories and folders are different in OS X c.c |
| 17:51.50 | zipper | I'm trying to use crontab, but i'm not doing something right. Error : http://pastebin.com/m359ce2e |
| 17:52.07 | wols | xand: they are different on windows too. see "virtual folders" |
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| 17:52.43 | hoxu | zipper, broken script? |
| 17:52.53 | \amethyst | zipper: what's the &1 supposed to be about? |
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| 17:53.01 | hoxu | right |
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| 17:53.06 | \amethyst | zipper: do you mean 2>&1 |
| 17:53.07 | \amethyst | ? |
| 17:53.15 | zipper | \amethyst: supposed to send all emails regarding the cronjob to /dev/null |
| 17:53.23 | hoxu | zipper, > /dev/null 2>&1 |
| 17:53.30 | \amethyst | zipper: you mean 2>&1 then, not just &1 |
| 17:53.38 | zipper | ah, thx |
| 17:53.43 | \amethyst | zipper: also, as hoxu says, a space after /dev/null |
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| 17:53.58 | hoxu | space does not matter afaik |
| 17:54.22 | xand | yes it does |
| 17:54.27 | \amethyst | hoxu: >/dev/null2>&1 tries to write to /dev/null2 :) |
| 17:54.41 | hoxu | oops... misread yet another line :P |
| 17:54.44 | pengwyn | yep |
| 17:54.44 | Sebo | Hi!! I need to make my console to use ISO-8859-2. Anyone knows where can I get proper console font?? |
| 17:54.54 | hoxu | after it indeed :P |
| 17:55.03 | hoxu | dpkg, confuse me |
| 17:55.03 | dpkg | No, where is my snake tomorrow, hoxu? wellies of the republic of micronesia with extra anchovies |
| 17:55.37 | madclicker | hi, debian etch, doing a ext3 dump on a sata dat72 drive. Total clocks are 44282624 at 512 KB each. The backup aborts at 97% Why would this happen? |
| 17:55.40 | \amethyst | Sebo: the console-data package includes a number of latin2 fonts |
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| 17:57.05 | Sebo | thx |
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| 17:57.27 | \amethyst | madclicker: I don't know about tapes, but those numbers sound wrong---23 TB? |
| 17:57.40 | Sebo | So I must have some cause I've got console-data installed ;] |
| 17:58.01 | WGGMk | http://terra-mentis.myminicity.com/ (anyone building their own mini city???) |
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| 17:58.16 | hoxu | WGGMk, don't advertise shit here |
| 17:58.24 | \amethyst | Sebo: lat2{,u}-{08,10,12,14,16} as well as lat2-sun16 |
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| 17:59.35 | eth01 | !ops WGGMk advertising. |
| 17:59.35 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: eth01 complains about: WGGMk advertising. |
| 17:59.41 | eth01 | ah too late. |
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| 18:01.55 | spectre123 | hi to all.I'm trying to install debian from the netinst iso,I have connected my laptop directly between it and the router,the network autodetection give me no errors but I have tried 10 different mirrors but none of them are working ( I think it's a configuration problem),can you help me ? thanks |
| 18:02.54 | wols | spectre123: what network chip? does ping google.com work fine? |
| 18:03.12 | Nostahl | what do i use to print to a printer hooked up to a windows desktop on my network |
| 18:03.27 | wols | Nostahl: what windows version? |
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| 18:03.40 | wols | Nostahl: tho, printing via samba always works |
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| 18:05.22 | spectre123 | wols,I tryed to ping a site but I get no reply.I tryed to ping my routers address and it's work,I'm looking for the chip name |
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| 18:07.08 | hoxu | spectre123, did you try to ping an external IP or did the hostname lookup fail? |
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| 18:07.46 | wols | spectre123: ok, then tell us what route is set and if nameserver is set in /etc/resolv.conf |
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| 18:08.11 | Kobaz | mount.nfs: services:/home failed, reason given by server: Permission denied |
| 18:08.20 | Kobaz | why would i get permission denied, if on the server side, i get: Dec 27 13:04:45 services mountd[3454]: authenticated mount request from ma.local:695 for /home (/home) |
| 18:08.32 | Kobaz | it says permission denied on the client, yet the server allowed it |
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| 18:09.07 | hoxu | (no clue about network failure system but authenticated != authorized) |
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| 18:10.29 | Kobaz | is there any extra debugging to turn on? |
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| 18:13.32 | madclicker | \amethyst, dont take my word for it I am assuming blocks are 512 it also could be 0 |
| 18:13.46 | madclicker | maybe bytes not kbytes |
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| 18:14.08 | vonnis | hello |
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| 18:16.58 | DawnLight | i have a wireless NIC on a debian box that has internet access through a wired NIC. i want to set the wireless nic so that i can come near the debian box with a laptop and the laptop will be given an ip in the same subnet. which wireless mode is suiteable for this? |
| 18:17.24 | vonnis | can someone help me. i installed unrealtournament on linux. the dir is now under /usr/games/ if i go to /usr/games/utdemo/System/ and typ UnrealTournament it says bash: command not found |
| 18:17.46 | hoxu | vonnis, ./UnrealTournament ? |
| 18:17.57 | DawnLight | the debian box via eth1 is in a subnet that has an internet gateway |
| 18:18.09 | vonnis | yes that is the name of the executble file |
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| 18:18.22 | hoxu | vonnis, windows runs executables from current directory, linux doesn't, it searches $PATH unless you specify a path to the executable |
| 18:18.22 | DawnLight | type it with ./ |
| 18:18.34 | hoxu | vonnis, so to run something in PWD you prefix it with ./ |
| 18:18.47 | vonnis | how do you mean? |
| 18:19.05 | DawnLight | type "./UnrealTournament" |
| 18:19.37 | vonnis | just like that? not the location usr/games etc? |
| 18:19.50 | hoxu | vonnis, if you are a girl I'm sure we can work out a hand holding session |
| 18:19.52 | DawnLight | vonnis: that's also possible |
| 18:20.02 | Nostahl | why can i not save two ps files to my flash drive? |
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| 18:20.05 | hoxu | vonnis, you either cd to the directory and type that ./ thing there, or type the full path |
| 18:20.15 | Nostahl | im trying to drag them from the desktop and put them into the flash drive's folder |
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| 18:20.28 | hoxu | vonnis, trying does not hurt either :) |
| 18:21.00 | vonnis | i get this error cp: kan stat niet toepassen op `/root/.utconf': Onbekend bestand of map |
| 18:21.00 | vonnis | Xlib: connection to ":0.0" refused by server |
| 18:21.00 | vonnis | Xlib: No protocol specified |
| 18:22.04 | \amethyst | vonnis: don't run it as root |
| 18:22.10 | hoxu | !tell vonnis about root |
| 18:22.15 | wols | vonnis: does your xserver run under a user and this program runs under root? |
| 18:22.15 | hoxu | !tell vonnis about localized errors |
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| 18:22.59 | vonnis | how do i unsu whitout going back to my home directory? |
| 18:23.00 | hoxu | vonnis, look at the sux package if you *need* to run it like wols said |
| 18:23.01 | darkstego | how do I install kde by default using netinstall? |
| 18:23.44 | hoxu | darkstego, what do you mean "by default"? |
| 18:24.16 | darkstego | when I ask it to install a desktop environment it typically installs gnome (I remember trying this before) |
| 18:24.16 | \amethyst | or use something like ssh -Y root@localhost instead of su |
| 18:24.45 | darkstego | hoxu, how do I tell it to install KDE instead? |
| 18:25.02 | hoxu | darkstego, well, I'd skip the tasksel part and install the packages by hand, like aptitude install kdebase |
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| 18:25.25 | vonnis | im no su now i still get this cp: kan stat niet toepassen op `/home/vonnis/.utconf': unknown file or directory |
| 18:25.41 | DawnLight | i have a debian box with two NIC's. a wired one and a wireless one. the wired nic is in a subnet. i want to configure the wireless nic so that i would be able to put a laptop near the debian box and connect to it's wireless nix so that the laptop will be in the same subnet as the debian box's wired nic. i know how to set up bridges but i don't know which wireless mode i should put the wireless nic in. help? |
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| 18:26.47 | \amethyst | vonnis: that means it's looking for its configuration in the file ~/.utconf |
| 18:27.03 | \amethyst | vonnis: sorry, the directory ~/.utconf/ |
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| 18:27.47 | vonnis | and why cant it find that file? |
| 18:27.51 | DustyBin | debian folk might find this link useful: http://xen-tools.org |
| 18:27.52 | wols | DawnLight: only few wlan drivers can run in AP mode, so I'd say AdHoch |
| 18:27.55 | wols | -h |
| 18:28.11 | \amethyst | vonnis: um, because it doesn't exist? |
| 18:28.32 | hoxu | \amethyst, german? :p |
| 18:28.34 | wols | vonnis: what program is this you want to run? |
| 18:28.37 | DawnLight | wols: so ad-hoc means it works like a wired card, only wireless? |
| 18:28.46 | vonnis | unreal tournament!!!! |
| 18:28.46 | \amethyst | hoxu: Dutch |
| 18:28.57 | hoxu | cool :) |
| 18:28.59 | wols | ´no, ad-hoc means it works without a dedicated AP anywhere |
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| 18:29.21 | DawnLight | aight thanks |
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| 18:29.39 | wols | DawnLight: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mobile_ad-hoc_network |
| 18:29.55 | DawnLight | oh thanks |
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| 18:30.27 | \amethyst | vonnis: That sounds like an ancient UT demo |
| 18:30.55 | vonnis | is it possible that it cant find the file because i have no permissions to the directory /usr/games/utdemo ? |
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| 18:31.04 | vonnis | yes indeed!! :) |
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| 18:31.17 | \amethyst | vonnis: is that the only error message? |
| 18:31.22 | vonnis | yes |
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| 18:31.57 | \amethyst | vonnis: the error message has nothing do to with /usr/games/utdemo --- it's because there's no .utconf file in your home dir |
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| 18:32.13 | \amethyst | vonnis: what was the name of the UT file you downloaded? |
| 18:32.16 | zipper | What can i use for irc bouncer instead of psybnc? |
| 18:32.36 | \amethyst | vonnis: something like utdemo-linux-x86-348.tar.gz? |
| 18:32.42 | vonnis | it was a tar.gz file |
| 18:32.55 | \amethyst | vonnis: what was the version? |
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| 18:33.46 | master_of_master | hi, how can I clear a rrd database? |
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| 18:34.16 | vonnis | utdemo-linux-x86-348.tar.gz (im running amd64) |
| 18:34.29 | vonnis | i thought it would work |
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| 18:34.37 | \amethyst | vonnis: that version requires a 3DFX video card :) |
| 18:34.45 | \amethyst | vonnis: It's from 1999 or so |
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| 18:35.15 | vonnis | so you say its to ancient to run on my system |
| 18:35.25 | \amethyst | vonnis: yes, unless you happen to have a 3DFX |
| 18:35.30 | hoxu | master_of_master, not a debian question really, look at the manpages |
| 18:35.31 | vonnis | its only 9 years old |
| 18:35.40 | vonnis | :) |
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| 18:36.15 | \amethyst | vonnis: 9 years ago, 3D acceleration was much different than it is today |
| 18:36.44 | vonnis | :( to sad |
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| 18:37.00 | vonnis | isnt there somesort of emulator? |
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| 18:37.42 | biopyte | hi. i have problems with the screen resolution using intel onboard graphics gma x3100. the display layout is 1280x800, however X runs max. 1024x768. tried to 'dpkg-reconfigure' the xserver, didnt help. lenny here. any idea? |
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| 18:37.57 | wols | windows has glidewrappers. never seen such a thing for linux |
| 18:38.19 | wols | biopyte: i915resolution? |
| 18:38.32 | wols | biopyte: tried to set the res in xorg.conf manually? |
| 18:38.56 | biopyte | wols: 915resolution will also work with the new x3100? i can try. |
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| 18:39.16 | biopyte | wols: no. didnt set anything manually. |
| 18:39.42 | vonnis | i was just thinking of getting on nintendo64 emulator for linux. i saw there was none availble. but there are some that run on wine. imagine you run n64 game whit emulator that runs on another emulator weird huh |
| 18:39.57 | biopyte | wols: the highest resolution in xorg.conf is 1280x800. however it isnt used. |
| 18:41.29 | vonnis | would that work? |
| 18:41.42 | DustyBin | vonnis: o_0 |
| 18:42.06 | vonnis | how many emulators could you run on top of eichother before giving problems. what would happen? |
| 18:42.07 | hoxu | vonnis, wine is not emulator :P |
| 18:42.11 | wols | biopyte: then check your Xorg log |
| 18:42.30 | DustyBin | when will one be able to play blue-ray / hd dvds on linux? legally? |
| 18:42.33 | vonnis | not? |
| 18:42.46 | hoxu | biopyte, can you change to the resolution with ctrl-alt-+/- |
| 18:42.59 | zinx | DustyBin: never, probably. |
| 18:43.01 | vonnis | but it emulates windows right? |
| 18:43.07 | DustyBin | zinx: why not? |
| 18:43.15 | hoxu | vonnis, it's windows api implementation :P |
| 18:43.19 | zinx | DustyBin: because Big Media doesn't like Linux. |
| 18:43.26 | biopyte | hoxu: i give it try. actually i dont have the box right here. |
| 18:43.32 | DustyBin | zinx: well Big Media can f**** off |
| 18:43.49 | vonnis | i piss on windows |
| 18:44.04 | mknug | does rtl-8169 have a driver in 2.6? |
| 18:44.24 | DustyBin | zinx: "See, you not only have to be a good coder to create a system like Linux, you have to be a sneaky bastard too." - Linus Torvalds |
| 18:44.39 | Yancho | i installed compiz .. from where can i load it now please? need to put a config i found online to it |
| 18:45.06 | biopyte | btw: if i want to use a beamer or external monitor, how can i configure xorg.conf for this? or maybe i connect the second device and then run dpkg-reconfigure? |
| 18:45.11 | wols | compiz --replace |
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| 18:45.34 | wols | biopyte: dpkg-reconfigure cannot set up dual monitor configurations |
| 18:45.39 | wols | you need to do it manually |
| 18:45.39 | DustyBin | Yancho: make sure you install emerald! |
| 18:45.48 | vonnis | im beginning to love linux |
| 18:46.03 | Yancho | ow ok DustyBin let me apt-get it |
| 18:46.50 | biopyte | wols: i see. how can i do it? i have to give a talk next week and have to connect the laptop to a beamer. |
| 18:46.53 | vonnis | first i hated it i didnt understood anything (im stil a noob) but now i know to work whit it and most things like email and installing software etc i understand |
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| 18:47.00 | Yancho | DustyBin cannot find emerald |
| 18:47.12 | DustyBin | are you using etch? |
| 18:47.24 | Yancho | yes |
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| 18:48.49 | DustyBin | strange, im sure i saw emerald in the debian repos a few days ago |
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| 18:49.25 | Ace2016 | Hi all |
| 18:49.43 | Ace2016 | i have a permissions problem, i can't copy the files in a folder, konqueror does not show the option to cut or copy the files |
| 18:50.04 | Ace2016 | i remembered what i read in debian chmod howto so i chmoded 666* on the files |
| 18:50.07 | Ace2016 | -rw-rw-rw- 1 ace ace 961 2004-06-04 18:16 button_exit.png |
| 18:50.12 | Ace2016 | this is one of the files |
| 18:50.22 | Ace2016 | but i can't copy it |
| 18:50.32 | wols | manually editing xorg.conf |
| 18:50.41 | Ace2016 | i can't delete it either :( |
| 18:50.43 | Ace2016 | or rename it |
| 18:50.44 | hoxu | Ace2016, 666 is a bad idea, use 664 rather |
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| 18:50.49 | hoxu | Ace2016, and check the directory permissions |
| 18:50.51 | Yancho | DustyBin trying to find via synaptic |
| 18:50.54 | Ace2016 | i tried 644 the first time |
| 18:51.16 | Ace2016 | drwxr-xr-x 2 ace ace 4096 2007-12-27 17:56 pasodoble-mplayer |
| 18:51.28 | Ace2016 | why do directories have x in them? |
| 18:51.34 | Ace2016 | when i remove the x i can't go into them |
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| 18:51.51 | DustyBin | Yancho: to get compiz working, you also need a window decorator, i used emerald before and got it working |
| 18:52.00 | hoxu | Ace2016, indeed, x in directories means you can open files in them... r means you can list the contents |
| 18:52.07 | Yancho | DustyBin what is window decorator? |
| 18:52.20 | hoxu | Ace2016, I suggest you either read the manual page of chmod or google a bit and read up |
| 18:52.21 | TrueDD | Hi all |
| 18:52.26 | Ace2016 | so i should be able to copy the files right? |
| 18:52.35 | Ace2016 | why can't i copy it? is there a problem with the folder? |
| 18:52.37 | hoxu | Ace2016, nothing wrong in the above permissions |
| 18:52.45 | Ace2016 | exactly why can't i copy anything? |
| 18:52.53 | Yancho | DustyBin : http://packages.debian.org/search?suite=stable§ion=all&arch=any&searchon=names&keywords=emerald <- emeraldia only <- tetris like game |
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| 18:53.15 | hoxu | Ace2016, try doing in the terminal with cp and see if you get any errors |
| 18:53.37 | Ace2016 | ok restarted konqueror and its working, very strange |
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| 18:53.41 | Ace2016 | ty |
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| 18:53.58 | Ace2016 | where can i read up on permissions about directories? normal files i'm fine with |
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| 18:54.43 | Ace2016 | man i also realised how many files on my system is executable thanks to a sudo chmod 777 -R * in /home |
| 18:54.49 | Ace2016 | star was before -R i think |
| 18:54.52 | hoxu | Ace2016, man chmod and type /director to search (if your $PAGER is less) :P |
| 18:55.00 | hoxu | eh |
| 18:55.00 | vonnis | I LOVE YOU ALL |
| 18:55.09 | DustyBin | Yancho: look on the offical compiz website |
| 18:55.13 | hoxu | Ace2016, you ran that in /home ? |
| 18:55.21 | Yancho | kk DustyBin :) |
| 18:55.28 | Ace2016 | yea that was a while ago, new folders seem to be uneffected |
| 18:55.38 | hoxu | Ace2016, good luck fixing that up... |
| 18:55.44 | Ace2016 | i don't intend to |
| 18:56.00 | Ace2016 | fix anything obvious i find other than that its ok |
| 18:56.04 | hoxu | afk, I'm going to pray god has some mercy on your pitiful soul |
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| 18:56.53 | Ace2016 | i really fail to see whats wrong with that, so people can see whats in my files and exit them and execute them, so what? its a single user machine |
| 18:58.09 | Ace2016 | so any program i run could do the exact same thing, big deal |
| 18:58.27 | Yancho | DustyBin when i run "compiz" I get : /usr/bin/compiz.real: No composite extension |
| 18:58.44 | Yancho | but i have compiz 0.22 on their site they have source of 0.24 |
| 18:58.52 | Yancho | 0.4* sorry |
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| 18:59.46 | xingu | Ace2016: if one of those files is ~/.{profile,bash_*,.xsession,...} there may be unwanted side effects. |
| 18:59.53 | xingu | Ace2016: ie, above and beyond disclosure |
| 19:00.23 | Ace2016 | e.g something messes the files up? |
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| 19:01.20 | pickcoder | anyone know of software (free or not) that solves the NP-hard knapsack problem for 3d packing? |
| 19:01.31 | DustyBin | Yancho: read the compiz website fully |
| 19:01.46 | YixilTesiphon | I'm a huge noob, to the extent that I don't know whether to download the intel x86 or IA-64 installation guide (I have an Intel core 2 duo t7200 cpu) |
| 19:01.47 | xingu | Ace2016: world write allows just that; owner execute permits that, too, possible as part of next login... |
| 19:02.13 | xingu | YixilTesiphon: not ia64 |
| 19:02.14 | wols | YixilTesiphon: intel x86 |
| 19:02.18 | YixilTesiphon | thanks |
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| 19:04.07 | simonrvn | pickcoder: *blink* *blink* |
| 19:04.47 | pickcoder | yeah... |
| 19:04.54 | pickcoder | well I gotta solve it somehow |
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| 19:05.24 | pickcoder | math gurus are still arguing over the alogithms |
| 19:05.29 | Ace2016 | oh fine, what if i just sudo chmod 744* they |
| 19:05.32 | pickcoder | algorithms too |
| 19:05.44 | wide_awake | hello |
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| 19:06.52 | JordiGH | 3d packing? |
| 19:06.55 | JordiGH | Spherical packing? |
| 19:07.00 | wide_awake | if I *only* have Lenny in my apt sources, and upgrade base-files to latest (4.0.2), why do I get a /etc/debian_version that says "lenny/sid" instead of just "lenny"? |
| 19:07.17 | pickcoder | no, 3D cubic packing |
| 19:07.18 | JordiGH | How does the knapsack problem work in 3d? |
| 19:07.25 | Ace2016 | guess lenny and sid share some files |
| 19:07.26 | JordiGH | Oh, you have a bunch of cubes? |
| 19:07.45 | pickcoder | and a bunch of boxes of varying sizes |
| 19:08.10 | pickcoder | I've seen one application somewhere that was commercially sold as an integration |
| 19:08.14 | JordiGH | pickcoder: If someone has an algorithm for that, odds are that 1) they have no idea what free software is, and 2) they'll give you code for it anyways if you email them directly, unless they've already signed some NDA with Wolfram. |
| 19:08.15 | pickcoder | but I can't find it now |
| 19:08.17 | Ace2016 | how come i don't have /etc/debian_version |
| 19:08.20 | h3sp4wn | wide_awake: Everything that is in lenny once was in sid |
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| 19:08.26 | wide_awake | seems "debian_version" would be a strange file to share between versions... |
| 19:08.46 | pickcoder | JordiGH: I wish it was that simple.. the "algorithm" is still being debated and disproved/proven |
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| 19:09.06 | wols | wide_awake: it always says this for testing and unstable both |
| 19:09.13 | wide_awake | ok |
| 19:09.15 | JordiGH | pickcoder: So how can you expect to find software for it? |
| 19:09.17 | fenrig | hi |
| 19:09.18 | pickcoder | there are people starting to try genetic modeling algos to solve the infamous NP-hard knapsack problem |
| 19:09.18 | Ace2016 | h3sp4wn: do the debs from sid just get moved to lenny or do they get rebuilt just for lenny? |
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| 19:09.28 | fenrig | i've got problems with my wireless |
| 19:09.28 | JordiGH | Ah, genetic algorithms. |
| 19:09.29 | pickcoder | JordiGH: under very controlled situations it will work |
| 19:09.34 | pickcoder | I don't have time to write it |
| 19:09.34 | JordiGH | Got no idea what to do? Throw it a genetic algorithm. |
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| 19:09.59 | wide_awake | their performance: admirably mediocre |
| 19:10.05 | wols | JordiGH: GA is a perfectly fine approximation strategy |
| 19:10.08 | wide_awake | but they sure did burn a lot of CPU cycles |
| 19:10.27 | JordiGH | wols: Yeah, what you do when you have no idea what to do. :-) |
| 19:10.29 | h3sp4wn | Ace2016: They just move down if there is no release critical bugs (or less than the version already in testing) |
| 19:10.36 | fenrig | i'm having problems with my wireless :s |
| 19:10.42 | JordiGH | wols: Or simulated annealing or something like that. |
| 19:10.45 | wide_awake | they're perfect for searching an extremely large search domain |
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| 19:11.30 | JordiGH | fenrig: Linux is having problems with its wireless. |
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| 19:11.30 | wide_awake | annealing often gets stuck on local maxima |
| 19:11.30 | pickcoder | give me a business process to model in Pick |
| 19:11.33 | pickcoder | <G> |
| 19:11.36 | wols | fenrig: what debian version? dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1 |
| 19:12.03 | JordiGH | pickcoder: I think the GSL has some genetic algorithms... I'm sure it has simulated annealing, though. Let me check. |
| 19:12.08 | Ace2016 | wait wait wait, how can testing EVER have a newer version than sid? thats like completely impossible, aren't all new packages considered 'unstable' untill tested and no bugs come flooding about it? i mean the newest kernels aren't even found in lenny |
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| 19:12.38 | JordiGH | Sometimes to go forward, you must go back. |
| 19:12.44 | suwro | Ace2016: which package? |
| 19:12.50 | fenrig | wols: i've ubuntu with debian unstable packages |
| 19:12.56 | wols | fenrig: #ubuntu |
| 19:13.11 | JordiGH | fenrig: Why the fuck would you do such a thing? |
| 19:13.18 | Ace2016 | suwro: well h3sp4wn said "They just move down if there is no release critical bugs (or less than the version already in testing" so i wanted to know how lenny could be newer than sid |
| 19:13.35 | dutchfish | Ace2016, what about reversal or removes in SID? |
| 19:13.51 | Ace2016 | reversal? |
| 19:14.00 | fenrig | jordiGH: to get new ndis packages |
| 19:14.06 | dutchfish | Ace2016, downgrades |
| 19:14.22 | suwro | Ace2016: maybe he got the package from 3rd part - not from original debian repos |
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| 19:14.44 | Ace2016 | why would sid downgrade? i doubt sid would downgrade past what is in lenny, so lenny and sid would have the same version |
| 19:15.04 | suwro | Ace2016: sid is not downgrade-ing |
| 19:15.15 | Ace2016 | suwro: we are speculating, no newer packages in lenny were found |
| 19:15.19 | Ace2016 | afaik |
| 19:15.27 | suwro | Ace2016: i think u-re unfamiliar with apt-get install -t unstable ?? |
| 19:15.29 | JordiGH | fenrig: Then compile from source. You're bound to break something spectacularly by using Ubuntu with unstable packages. |
| 19:15.36 | suwro | installing sid packages in lenny |
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| 19:15.46 | suwro | using sid repo and lenny |
| 19:15.48 | fenrig | jordiGH: i didn't break anything |
| 19:15.57 | YixilTesiphon | If http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/Hardware-HOWTO/video.html doesn't list my video card (ATI FireGL V5250), but has other FireGL cards listed, is it reasonable to assume it will work? |
| 19:16.00 | fenrig | jordiGH: i just can get wireless initialised |
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| 19:16.16 | suwro | so if you want - you can have base lenny - which is testing (sort of stable) and app X from sid. |
| 19:16.29 | JordiGH | fenrig: It may work now, but it's bound to break eventually. |
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| 19:17.28 | kuber | I have a friend who uses debian with no net connection. He's quite a newbie, directly from win95 (he's in west africa). I wanted to send him a good debian book for beginners, but that is very complete. any suggestions? |
| 19:17.39 | fenrig | jordiGH: it was just for those packages :) |
| 19:17.41 | suwro | Ace2016: that's whi it is called lenny/sid. - they're not sharing packages - each one have it's own repo - you simply can install sid kde in lenny for example |
| 19:17.51 | Ace2016 | suwro: we're talking about sid, the repo sid, downgrading a package, not the user end, but at the server end |
| 19:17.57 | JordiGH | fenrig: That's bound to break too. You got lucky. |
| 19:18.28 | JordiGH | suwro: Generally you can't do what you said unless lenny and sid have the same libc6, which doesn't happen often. |
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| 19:18.50 | suwro | JordiGH: man - I have kde from sid in lenny |
| 19:18.54 | dutchfish | kuber, http://www.amazon.com/Debian-GNU-Linux-3-1-Bible/dp/0764576445 (maybe for 4.0 is coming soon) but this is a very nice book |
| 19:18.59 | suwro | JordiGH: using apt-get |
| 19:19.31 | pickcoder | JordiGH: I don't really see anything on GSL that will help |
| 19:19.53 | suwro | JordiGH: you just have to edit /etc/apt/apt.conf and put APT::Default-Release "testing"; |
| 19:20.00 | suwro | then add sid repo |
| 19:20.19 | suwro | don't delete lenny's repo |
| 19:20.34 | suwro | and you can install -t unstable - whatever you want from sid. |
| 19:20.59 | suwro | JordiGH: i |
| 19:21.01 | h3sp4wn | !quick lenny/sid mix |
| 19:21.01 | dpkg | echo 'APT::Default-Release "testing";' >> /etc/apt/apt.conf, edit sources.list, duplicate your non-security testing lines and change one set to sid. then apt-get update. use # apt-get -t unstable install foo; to install foo from sid rather than testing as usual. consider making sure you've read the APT HOWTO when setting this up, as it exposes to unstable packages. |
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| 19:21.17 | suwro | there you go. |
| 19:21.27 | JordiGH | suwro: And which libc6 do you have? If you have sid's libc6, you're effectively using sid, not lenny. |
| 19:21.29 | suwro | i've got that from debian page. |
| 19:21.46 | kuber | dutchfish: cool, thanks, i'll look into that |
| 19:22.06 | suwro | ii libc6 2.7-4 GNU C Library: Shared librariesii libc6-dev 2.7-4 GNU C Library: Development Libraries and Heaii libc6-i386 2.7-4 GNU C Library: 32bit shared libraries for AM |
| 19:22.20 | JordiGH | suwro: apt-cache policy libc6 would be more informative. |
| 19:22.28 | wols | !info libc6 lenny |
| 19:22.32 | dpkg | libc6: (GNU C Library: Shared libraries), section libs, is required. Version: 2.7-4 (lenny), Packaged size: 4375 kB, Installed size: 10596 kB |
| 19:22.40 | suwro | libc6: Installed: 2.7-4 Candidate: 2.7-4 Version table: 2.7-5 0 600 http://ftp.lug.ro sid/main Packages *** 2.7-4 0 990 ftp://ftp.lug.ro testing/main Packages 100 /var/lib/dpkg/status |
| 19:23.10 | JordiGH | Ah, so sid and lenny are currently sharing libc6. Almost. |
| 19:23.12 | suwro | oh - by the way - i am on amd64 debian |
| 19:23.29 | Ace2016 | its just easier than messing with repos |
| 19:23.36 | Ace2016 | and its so far only broken once |
| 19:23.44 | suwro | Ace2016: i don't feel messed at all |
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| 19:24.28 | suwro | Ace2016: if I don't like something, i just uninstall it and install lenny package - at least i know it will work. |
| 19:24.44 | suwro | Ace2016: as I know - you can't do that - now - can you? |
| 19:24.56 | Ace2016 | nope i can't |
| 19:25.33 | suwro | Ace2016: what kernel version do you have? |
| 19:25.45 | Ace2016 | 2.6.23.9 |
| 19:25.50 | JordiGH | suwro: Just for kicks, if you try to install lenny's kde now with aptitude (and -s flag), what happens? |
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| 19:25.55 | suwro | i have: Linux dell 2.6.22-2-amd64 #1 SMP Thu Aug 30 23:43:59 UTC 2007 x86_64 GNU/Linux |
| 19:26.01 | Ace2016 | custom compile though |
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| 19:26.12 | JordiGH | You named your computer dell? Imaginative. :-) |
| 19:26.23 | suwro | JordiGH: it goes back to old kde. the one in lenny |
| 19:26.25 | dutchfish | kuber, but maybe you need a french version? |
| 19:26.46 | suwro | JordiGH: yeah it was a git |
| 19:26.49 | JordiGH | suwro: No complaints? Ah, well. This will all be much more fun as sid's and lenny's libc6 diverges more and more. |
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| 19:27.25 | kuber | dutchfish: no,he's in ghana, english speaking. |
| 19:27.35 | dutchfish | kuber, ok :) |
| 19:27.54 | wald0 | what exactly i need to do for disable those cron jobs about find and sort ? (updatedb cron jobs?) |
| 19:28.55 | suwro | JordiGH: i use my computer for development - I can't afford time to mess with fixing sid :( - but sometime i need gimp from sid or inkscape etc. |
| 19:29.13 | mbroeker | wald0, you can do apt-get remove --purge slocate if you really want to get ridd of it. |
| 19:30.39 | JordiGH | suwro: In all fairness, like Ace2016 said, sid breaks seldom. But I'm telling you from my own experience: the advantages of using a mixed system are mostly illusory. |
| 19:30.49 | suwro | JordiGH: did they fixed in 2.6.23.9 hibernate in ACPI ? |
| 19:31.15 | suwro | as I know it was broken... |
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| 19:33.57 | kevind23 | erm, is there any way to test if surround sound is working? I believe I'm using alsa |
| 19:34.29 | xand | !away |
| 19:34.30 | dpkg | Do not use public away/back messages in #debian. If we want to know where you are, we'll /whois you. In BX, /set auto_away off; ask in #yourircclient if you have questions. If you continue to use public aways/backs you will be devoiced. http://sackheads.org/~bnaylor/spew/away_msgs.html |
| 19:34.58 | xand | kevind23: listen to your speakers |
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| 19:35.22 | kevind23 | xand: I have 6-channel audio but I only have 2-channel music :p I need some way to test it |
| 19:35.44 | mkl1525 | Hi, trying to read the config of a lancom router using atftp >>> atftp --get --local-file config.txt --remote-file "xxxxxxreadscript -n -d -c -m" 10.2.1.1 <<< problem is that the "remote-file" needs some parameters, without -n -d etc it works but with parameter it seems to get the -n as file names. Have tried to use " twice >>> "\" <<< but that didn't help either - any hint how to pass the options to the router? |
| 19:35.53 | xand | kevind23: use whatever you intend to use the surround sound for |
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| 19:36.21 | kevind23 | Mmmk. |
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| 19:40.33 | wald0 | mbroeker: not locate but only those cronjobs |
| 19:41.32 | mbroeker | wald0, erase the cronjob file. apt-get or aptitude or whatever you use wont reinstall it. |
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| 19:42.57 | suwro | JordiGH: as I know you mixed 2 distro - pure debian with ubuntu - ;) that only can generate to a mess... |
| 19:43.22 | suwro | JordiGH: it's like i have RedHat and use Mandrake rpms. |
| 19:43.33 | JordiGH | Me? |
| 19:43.39 | JordiGH | No, I never mix Ubuntu and Debian. |
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| 19:43.42 | JordiGH | I don't even use Ubuntu. |
| 19:44.04 | suwro | JordiGH: then i comfused you with somebody else. ;) |
| 19:44.06 | JordiGH | It was someone else here who did the mixing. |
| 19:45.52 | suwro | JordiGH: ok - what happend with your mixed system? |
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| 19:46.12 | JordiGH | suwro: Nothing happened, except that it didn't really work as a mixed system. |
| 19:46.25 | JordiGH | suwro: For the longest time, I wanted the unstable octave2.9 |
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| 19:46.35 | suwro | JordiGH: well something happend - didn't work ;) |
| 19:46.37 | JordiGH | suwro: But I couldn't update to it without changing my libc6 to the unstable libc6. |
| 19:47.15 | JordiGH | suwro: So I could never really get that octave unless I was willing to update my libc6. Which I wasn't. I liked my testing libc6. |
| 19:48.02 | JordiGH | suwro: So I was in fact either using a testing or could upgrade major components to unstable. But it isn't as idyllic as they say: mostly testing with a few unstable packages. |
| 19:48.26 | JordiGH | suwro: right now the testing and unstable libc6's are close enough that you can get away with mixing, but as soon as they diverge, you either plunge straight into sid or not at all. |
| 19:48.49 | suwro | JordiGH: libc6 upgrade mean sid - you had to upgrade the base too then... so u get stucked in sid. |
| 19:49.05 | JordiGH | suwro: Basically, eys. |
| 19:49.06 | suwro | JordiGH: so - youre right - but what about compile that program? |
| 19:49.07 | JordiGH | yes. |
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| 19:49.21 | JordiGH | That's eventually what I did. I backported octave2.9 to testing. |
| 19:49.22 | suwro | JordiGH: and make package and... |
| 19:49.47 | suwro | JordiGH: that's why sources are available too. |
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| 19:52.30 | sarefo | i'm trying to access a disc via esata, while it's working in windows, i can't find it on lenny. any tips how to test it? there are no /dev/sd* for example. |
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| 19:53.02 | raphi | where does 'update-grub' get the information about the root-device? |
| 19:53.26 | raphi | every time I update my kernel, i need to manually edit the 'menu.lst' because there's a wrong entry |
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| 19:53.36 | raphi | it still points to my lvm... |
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| 19:54.15 | infester | hiho, im having trouble while reconfiguring xserver-xorg, at end of configuration it cannot create the xorg.conf. is this common? |
| 19:54.35 | pea_brain | dear all, how is the "nobody" user in linux different from the other system / regular users |
| 19:55.09 | sarefo | pea_brain: has no permissions afaics |
| 19:55.39 | sarefo | often used for demons, that run all the time, so people cannot hack into the system. |
| 19:55.43 | infester | and is there another way to get that xorg.conf generated? |
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| 19:57.33 | sarefo | edistar: #firefox maybe |
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| 19:57.53 | pea_brain | nobody has a nologin shell, any thing other than that? |
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| 19:58.31 | sarefo | pea_brain: why not just ignore it? it's nobody after all ;) |
| 19:58.52 | infester | nobody has a clue about my xorg.conf-issue? :/ |
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| 19:59.20 | cusco | it cannot create xorg.conf? |
| 19:59.21 | cusco | why? |
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| 20:00.18 | Pici | Getting an error? |
| 20:00.18 | infester | after making dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg i get this |
| 20:00.22 | infester | yea, sec |
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| 20:01.20 | infester | xserver-xorg postinst warning: overwriting possibly-customised configuration file; backup in /etc/X11/xorg.conf2007... |
| 20:01.26 | infester | and that backup-file is empty |
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| 20:01.28 | JordiGH | edistar: Just delete it from the plugin directory in your .mozilla directory |
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| 20:01.51 | Pici | infester: Does the new file exist? |
| 20:01.56 | infester | i get another warning like that with the add "not attempting to update existing configuration |
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| 20:02.11 | infester | yea, but both xorg.conf and xorg.conf.2007010102032 are empty |
| 20:02.14 | simonrvn | infester: that is normal, yes |
| 20:02.22 | simonrvn | the being empty isn't ;) |
| 20:02.28 | infester | i had an existing configuration before |
| 20:02.30 | cusco | infester: empty? |
| 20:02.43 | pea_brain | thanks guys, if suppose i need to create a new user similar to the nobody user, what steps do i follow? i am trying to do this so that i have less previlages and still not the globally used nobody user |
| 20:02.45 | infester | but i accidently *argh* deleted the /etc/X11 directory |
| 20:02.45 | cusco | are you sure? |
| 20:02.48 | simonrvn | mv/rm it then try again |
| 20:02.50 | infester | yes |
| 20:02.56 | infester | i have, five times |
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| 20:03.02 | Pici | You deleted the entire directory? |
| 20:03.06 | simonrvn | pea_brain: no |
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| 20:03.09 | infester | yes, then reinstalled the packages |
| 20:03.15 | Bushmill1 | infester: what could this mean: "warning: overwriting possibly-customised configuration file"? |
| 20:03.31 | infester | Bushmill1: if i knew that i guess i wouldnt be asking in here :/ |
| 20:03.36 | JordiGH | You accidentally deleted something five times? |
| 20:03.40 | infester | because i dont have a file |
| 20:03.41 | netgear | how do i see if bluetooth is correctly installed? |
| 20:03.48 | infester | JordiGH: i never got new files |
| 20:04.07 | simonrvn | !confmiss |
| 20:04.08 | dpkg | the reason you have to use dpkg --force-confmiss is because whenever your config files (<conffiles>) are gone, dpkg assumes you deleted them on purpose, and that you want them to stay deleted. You can also reinstall them using the following apt-get line: apt-get -o DPkg::Options::="--force-confmiss" --reinstall install <packagename> |
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| 20:04.12 | Bushmills | infester: it says "an xorg.conf already exists" |
| 20:04.19 | JordiGH | infernix: apt-get --reinstall install xserver-xorg |
| 20:04.25 | JordiGH | Er, infester. |
| 20:04.37 | infester | Bushmills: yes, i've deleted the conf-file before reinstalling |
| 20:04.39 | infester | thanks |
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| 20:05.35 | kogyaru | greetings. I'm having trouble with the 'hfsplusutils' package in etch. I have a 2.5" drive mounted via USB and which contains an hfs+ partition. (Due to extremely unfortunate circumstances, I no longer have a Mac with which I can mount the drive.) I can _see_ the partition with parted(1), but not mount it with `hpmount`. |
| 20:05.52 | kogyaru | my question is: is hfsplusutils compatible with Intel-formatted hfs+ partitions? |
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| 20:07.03 | up365 | netgear, if you have the bluetooth icon-preferences-try connecting using your phone |
| 20:08.21 | netgear | up365: i have that icon, my phone is in discoverable mode, and hcitool scan doesnt detect anything |
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| 20:09.49 | infester | JordiGH: hmm, i still don't get the xorg.conf :( |
| 20:09.57 | netgear | up365: also my phone doesnt detect any device |
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| 20:10.18 | up365 | netgear switch between "other devices can connect" and "visisble & connectable for other devices" |
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| 20:10.34 | JordiGH | infester: sudo dpkg-reconfigure -phigh xserver-xorg |
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| 20:11.33 | netgear | up365: still no devices found |
| 20:11.38 | infester | JordiGH: same thing, except now it only prompts one notice instead of asking all the stuff about gfx and keyboard |
| 20:11.44 | infester | same error in the end |
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| 20:11.53 | JordiGH | What's the error? |
| 20:11.57 | numeritos | hey everyone |
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| 20:12.02 | JordiGH | Sorry, I wasn't reading the previous thing. |
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| 20:12.07 | JordiGH | numeritos: sup, bro. |
| 20:12.24 | numeritos | JordiGH: worried, lol |
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| 20:12.33 | up365 | netgear, try sending an image or text |
| 20:12.35 | JordiGH | Why's that, lol? |
| 20:12.39 | numeritos | I had configured squid and everything worked perfectly |
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| 20:13.04 | numeritos | but when I tried Outlook Express on a clients PCs (windoze installed on clients) |
| 20:13.11 | infester | xserver-xorg postinst warning: overwriting possibly-customised configuration file; backup in /etc/X11/xorg.conf2007... |
| 20:13.21 | numeritos | it didnt work, so I decided to make the proxy transparent and handle the packets with iptables |
| 20:13.33 | infester | i get another warning like that with the add "not attempting to update existing configuration |
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| 20:14.34 | netgear | up365: still no good, it doesnt find any devices to send it to |
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| 20:14.46 | netgear | how do i even know if the driver is correct? |
| 20:14.49 | numeritos | here's the iptables configuration |
| 20:14.49 | numeritos | http://paste-it.net/5440 |
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| 20:15.04 | numeritos | I suspect the problem is in DNS |
| 20:15.18 | numeritos | because when I enter sites via their IP it works, but not with their URL |
| 20:15.20 | niklas | is it possible to open a console in the debian installer before partitioning? |
| 20:15.22 | infester | JordiGH: i thought dpkg --purge was the solution to messed up configurations and mistakes like this. is there maybe another alternative even more hardcore? |
| 20:15.35 | up365 | netgear, see if any help here http://debaira.blogspot.com/search/label/Debian%20Etch%20Bluetooth |
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| 20:15.55 | numeritos | but I have no clue how to fix it, I've tried everything |
| 20:15.58 | netgear | up365: thanks |
| 20:16.24 | infester | niklas: alt+ctrl+f2, tried that? |
| 20:16.28 | infester | :P |
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| 20:16.47 | niklas | infester: ah, only tried alt+ctrl+f1 :) |
| 20:16.50 | niklas | thank you! |
| 20:17.04 | infester | niklas: not sure though :) gl |
| 20:17.14 | numeritos | does anyone have a clue what the problem could be? |
| 20:17.14 | up365 | netgear, np I just got send & receive between phone-pc working y'day |
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| 20:17.39 | qaldune | is it possible to have the mozilla flash plugin working on 64-bit debian installation? |
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| 20:18.00 | kogyaru | are there othjer debian channels besides this one, for asking questions about packages? |
| 20:18.06 | netgear | up365: i think it might be the bluez-firmware that is missing |
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| 20:19.42 | infester | wow, this is really getting frustrating... do i really have to reinstall debian to get xorg working again?! :( |
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| 20:20.21 | kuber | er. no. |
| 20:20.27 | \amethyst | qaldune: it should be possible in testing and unstable with nspluginwrapper |
| 20:20.36 | sarefo | i want to run a program from a root shell inside user X. shouldn't 'xhost +localhost' enable this? |
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| 20:20.55 | infester | kuber: do you have any solution? :) |
| 20:20.57 | \amethyst | qaldune: not in etch, though, unless you want to run a 32-bit firefox in a 32-bit chroot or something like that |
| 20:20.59 | sarefo | it still says it cannot open display :0 |
| 20:21.10 | sarefo | worked fine in etch, now in lenny it's like this. |
| 20:21.14 | up365 | netgear, here also http://www.bluez.org/ , yeah if the bluez-firmware is missing |
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| 20:21.54 | qaldune | would you recommend to use testing for amd64 rather than the 32bit version? |
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| 20:22.20 | kuber | infester: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R3jv2cUgt1M |
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| 20:22.59 | up365 | netgear, everything I installed was through synaptic, didn't DL or build any packages |
| 20:23.19 | \amethyst | qaldune: I wouldn't say I'd recommend running testing, but it does make flash on 64-bit easier |
| 20:23.28 | netgear | up365: me too, even with firmware installed i still have no luck |
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| 20:23.55 | mogra | Debian Etch, trying to get IPTables to foreward a port. The rule "looks" right, but tcpdump doesn't show any forewarding action being attempted. |
| 20:24.24 | qaldune | amethyst well i don't consider using the stable version, but i want to make sure that i won't get too much trouble if i install the 64 version of testing |
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| 20:25.06 | qaldune | i don't wanna go through the hassle of building a 32-bit chroot environment once again |
| 20:25.23 | up365 | netgear, I have to admit it took quite a bit of back and forth to get connected, switching between "discoverable" and "connect" |
| 20:25.31 | kogyaru | ah, I guess my question is too esoteric. farewell |
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| 20:25.45 | netgear | up365: Starting bluemon: disabled in /etc/default/bluemon |
| 20:25.51 | netgear | that is what i get |
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| 20:27.14 | y | any fun to be had here? |
| 20:27.34 | JordiGH | #debian: where the fun is at. |
| 20:27.39 | y | =) |
| 20:27.59 | zinx | !info fun |
| 20:28.03 | JordiGH | !fun |
| 20:28.03 | dpkg | !find apt |
| 20:28.09 | zinx | there is no fun |
| 20:28.09 | JordiGH | !find apt |
| 20:28.11 | dpkg | Debian Package Listing of 'apt' (15 of 107): apt ;; apt-build ;; apt-cacher ;; apt-cacher-ng ;; apt-cross ;; apt-doc ;; apt-dpkg-ref ;; apt-file ;; apt-howto ;; apt-howto-ca ;; apt-howto-common ;; apt-howto-de ;; apt-howto-el ;; apt-howto-en ;; apt-howto-es. |
| 20:28.12 | y | how to clean my ext3? |
| 20:28.16 | y | i'm having startup errors =( |
| 20:28.23 | JordiGH | y: fsck it upl. |
| 20:28.25 | JordiGH | up |
| 20:28.30 | y | I don't want to screw it up, though =) |
| 20:28.41 | JordiGH | y: You got a livecd handy? |
| 20:28.43 | zinx | what kind of startup errors? |
| 20:28.53 | Blue_Mousey | y, so make sure you check it out properly... |
| 20:28.54 | y | I'm not sure.... they flash as I'm starting up |
| 20:29.00 | y | zinx ^ |
| 20:29.01 | infester | hmm, guys, after purging alot of packages (shown in dpkg -l) and reinstalling as you said i can now start x as a user, but the xorg.conf is still empty, how can that be? |
| 20:29.03 | Blue_Mousey | Consulting more than 1 source usually confirms correctness |
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| 20:29.15 | y | yeah, Blue_mousey |
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| 20:29.24 | zinx | y: does your system work otherwise? |
| 20:29.30 | y | oh yes. |
| 20:29.35 | y | i am on knoppix now |
| 20:30.05 | zinx | you can fsck the partition, but i don't think there is any problem with your filesystem, and if there is, it will probably not be easy to fix |
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| 20:30.12 | y | hmm |
| 20:30.13 | JordiGH | y: fsck -f /dev/the_wonked_up_drive |
| 20:30.21 | DawnLight | y: you may have bad sectors |
| 20:30.29 | y | how can I check? |
| 20:30.36 | JordiGH | y: Can you mount the partition from Knoppix? |
| 20:30.40 | y | I'd like to check the log but I'm not sure wehre that log is |
| 20:30.45 | y | Yes, the drive mounts and browses fine |
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| 20:30.54 | y | The drive stopped working in Ubuntu |
| 20:31.01 | JordiGH | y: Hm. So why are you asking us? |
| 20:31.03 | y | (I am dumping Ubuntu) |
| 20:31.15 | up365 | netgear, I don't have a /etc/default/bluemon just /etc/default/bluetooth |
| 20:31.15 | y | I am wondering how to fix this drive =) Sort out bad sectors, whatever. |
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| 20:31.27 | JordiGH | y: fsck -f /dev/ext3 |
| 20:31.34 | butcherbird | !fsck | y |
| 20:31.34 | y | I got my new box set up and I don't want to install debian on top of it unless its sorted out. |
| 20:31.34 | dpkg | e2fsck /dev/| y : warning! filesystem contains dickheads! |
| 20:31.35 | infester | guys, can xorg work with a clean config-file or is it only shown as empty to me? |
| 20:31.37 | DawnLight | use the -c option |
| 20:31.44 | y | hmm |
| 20:31.47 | JordiGH | !tell fsck about fsck |
| 20:31.48 | y | -c eh? |
| 20:31.58 | y | that will sort out bad sectors? |
| 20:31.59 | JordiGH | butcherbird: That pipe thing doesn't work here. |
| 20:32.04 | y | Basically, I want a risk free way to do all of this. |
| 20:32.27 | DawnLight | there is a risk of loosing data |
| 20:32.29 | netgear | up365: as what device is bt listed in linux? |
| 20:32.31 | netgear | /dev ? |
| 20:32.43 | JordiGH | y: fsck won't screw up anything. And it'll ask if you it thinks it's about to do something that could screw up things. At any rate, if you're able to view your files from Knoppix, a backup would be wise before you fsck anything up. |
| 20:32.50 | butcherbird | JordiGH: i see sorry |
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| 20:33.00 | y | I can't really back up. its 300 GB =( |
| 20:33.18 | JordiGH | y: You have to backup all of it? |
| 20:33.35 | y | hmm |
| 20:33.51 | y | ok so first thing I'll do is partition my second hard drive. |
| 20:33.55 | y | I guess I can fdisk that. |
| 20:33.59 | DawnLight | just delete the movies you've seen already |
| 20:34.46 | up365 | netgear, I don't know, how would I access a list so I could tell you ? |
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| 20:35.07 | jola | hey, if i want to change to firefox from icewasel, how to make that? |
| 20:35.19 | mogra | www.getfirefox.com |
| 20:35.20 | JordiGH | jola: aptitude install firefox. |
| 20:35.21 | zinx | aptitude install iceweasel |
| 20:35.30 | zinx | oh wait, the other way around |
| 20:35.40 | JordiGH | jola: And why would you want to change? Is the branding that important? |
| 20:35.40 | zinx | jola: they are the same thing nearly, you realize? |
| 20:35.47 | jola | yeah |
| 20:35.55 | zinx | jola: some very minor patches, and a different name/icon, are all that's different |
| 20:36.08 | jola | when i did apt-get install mozilla-firefox, and started it it says, icewasel |
| 20:36.26 | zinx | jola: that's because mozilla won't let Debian distribute its patched version as firefox |
| 20:36.41 | jola | oki |
| 20:36.45 | jola | so nothing to do? |
| 20:36.47 | JordiGH | jola: Yeah, because firefox *is* iceweasel. |
| 20:36.55 | zinx | jola: the functioning is identical. the files are in all the same places, all the extensions work, etc. |
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| 20:37.08 | jola | ok |
| 20:37.17 | JordiGH | jola: Well, unless you have a fundamental problem with a weasel humping the internet instead of a fox humping the Earth, there's no reason for concern. |
| 20:37.31 | jola | hehe |
| 20:37.36 | DawnLight | !hump |
| 20:37.37 | jola | same with thunderbird |
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| 20:37.53 | JordiGH | !hump DawnLight |
| 20:37.56 | zinx | JordiGH: too bad gnome doesn't do animated icons.. someone actually made an animated one of the weasel humping the earth/internet :P |
| 20:38.21 | enouf | great, animated icons, that's all we need |
| 20:38.26 | zinx | jola: and iceape, and probably some other random things |
| 20:38.32 | jola | yep |
| 20:38.35 | zinx | enouf: isn't it, though? |
| 20:38.43 | JordiGH | zinx: I think I've seen that. :-) |
| 20:38.50 | JordiGH | enouf: And animated humping, no less. |
| 20:38.58 | y | DawnLight I read the man page but I don't understand the -c fsck option |
| 20:39.06 | enouf | zinx: nothing and i mean nothing on my boxes animate, unless i tell it to ;-) |
| 20:39.20 | zinx | enouf: oh, it's the same on mine |
| 20:39.34 | JordiGH | enouf: Does your cursor blink? |
| 20:39.38 | zinx | enouf: i even use the old X cursors rather than the translucent ones |
| 20:39.40 | enouf | and no noises either :-) |
| 20:39.43 | zinx | JordiGH: mine doesn't. |
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| 20:40.11 | DawnLight | y: man badblocks |
| 20:40.34 | DawnLight | ignore the -c thing |
| 20:40.38 | enouf | careful using badblocks |
| 20:41.00 | y | enouf careful aka avoid? =) |
| 20:41.11 | zinx | badblocks can kill your partition with the wrong options |
| 20:41.20 | enouf | ^^^ |
| 20:41.21 | zinx | and it won't fix anything with the default ones - it will only tell you something's bad. |
| 20:41.34 | JordiGH | KILL! |
| 20:42.38 | enouf | this is what fsck runs on a reboot forcefsck - fsck.ext3 -a -C0 /dev/hdc1 |
| 20:42.45 | y | uhm |
| 20:42.50 | enouf | on my ext3 root partition |
| 20:43.05 | y | sounds like I should avoid using badblocks but rather use -c option of e2fsck |
| 20:43.16 | JordiGH | forcefsck O.o |
| 20:43.29 | enouf | though - check this out; |
| 20:43.30 | enouf | $ sudo cat /var/log/fsck/checkfs |
| 20:43.30 | enouf | Log of fsck -C -V -R -A -a |
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| 20:43.51 | y | how to remap the 'e' key? my keyboard is busted |
| 20:43.57 | enouf | all in all, have backups handy ;-) |
| 20:44.31 | enouf | showkey? - er man ascii, then play with xmodmap? |
| 20:45.02 | enouf | er xmodmap -pk |
| 20:45.14 | JordiGH | keyboards are cheap. Get a new one. |
| 20:45.19 | enouf | yeah |
| 20:45.20 | y | yaeh |
| 20:45.21 | y | i agree |
| 20:45.23 | y | heheh ehh heh |
| 20:45.26 | y | one thing after another. |
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| 20:48.58 | infester | for your info that xorg-thing is apparantly a known bug in sid. thanks for trying to help |
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| 20:56.34 | Bushmills | infester: now that you said "sid" you'll have them all over you |
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| 20:57.31 | infester | Bushmills: hehe yea, forgot to mention that :) |
| 20:58.17 | Bushmills | channel would have ridiculed you, for not being able to read the error message while running sid |
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| 21:02.08 | enouf | infester: took a quick scan up to see your issue - does dexconf help? |
| 21:02.10 | abbe | hi channel |
| 21:02.57 | abbe | I'm trying to build a .deb file and getting this error "Compatibility levels before 4 are deprecated." during execution of couple of dh_* commands |
| 21:03.11 | abbe | <PROTECTED> |
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| 21:03.37 | dondelelcaro | abbe: yes, because whatever package that is is using a debhelper compatibility level before 4. You can generally ignore those, unless that's your package. |
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| 21:04.06 | abbe | dondelelcaro: that's my package, I'm trying to understand package building. |
| 21:04.27 | infester | enouf: dexconf -o xorg.conf didnt make any file, neither did it output anything |
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| 21:04.30 | factboy818181 | for some odd reason, all my tty are blank D: |
| 21:04.48 | dondelelcaro | abbe: ok, so man debhelper; and read about Debhelper compatibility levels |
| 21:04.52 | enouf | infester: try the default just dexconf |
| 21:05.01 | abbe | dondelelcaro: I've also noticed that files in $pkgroot/usr/bin aren't in package.deb |
| 21:05.03 | infester | yea, same there |
| 21:05.17 | abbe | dondelelcaro: thanks |
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| 21:05.20 | infester | loads for 2secs, doesnt give any output |
| 21:05.28 | dondelelcaro | abbe: if you read that section, you'll start to see why those aren't being included automatically. |
| 21:05.33 | JordiGH | abbe: they should be in $pkgroot/debian/$pkgname/usr/bin |
| 21:05.37 | helo | i have previously always stayed with testing to get the latest stuff, but i've felt comfortable with etch for a while now, with no compelling reason to upgrade any time soon... gj :) |
| 21:05.53 | infester | apparantly everyone running sid has the same issue since about a year ago |
| 21:06.00 | abbe | JordiGH: I mean that $pkgroot/debian/$pkgname/usr/bin, sorry |
| 21:06.03 | mrfree | after the upgrade from sarge to etch now my server hangs after about some hour of uptime |
| 21:06.26 | enouf | infester: other than that can you boot a livecd and steal it;s file? |
| 21:06.32 | dondelelcaro | mrfree: hangs how? doing what? |
| 21:06.41 | mrfree | dondelelcaro, nothing |
| 21:06.52 | mrfree | nothing special |
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| 21:07.13 | infester | enouf: yea i guess, but i think ill just google for an example file... thing is, xorg runs without the conf-file, so i can live with it for now |
| 21:07.23 | enouf | heh |
| 21:07.38 | mrfree | dondelelcaro, I can't connect via wifi and the monitor is black |
| 21:07.53 | JordiGH | A wifi server? Nice. |
| 21:08.24 | dondelelcaro | mrfree: and does numlock work? have you tried keeping a login active on the machine to see what it is doing? |
| 21:08.39 | mrfree | I tryed to replace acpi with apm but nothing changed |
| 21:08.56 | enouf | why? |
| 21:09.06 | enouf | old? |
| 21:09.15 | mrfree | it's a P2 600Mhz |
| 21:09.29 | mrfree | I've just rebooted it... I'm checking logs |
| 21:09.39 | enouf | ahh, i got a 350 here, i use acpi=force on older kernels |
| 21:10.54 | enouf | (has to do with the config option for being to old for acpi - most default to ~2000) |
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| 21:12.00 | JordiGH | Wow, 600 MHz. My Sophia is a P2 with 300 MHz. |
| 21:12.21 | JordiGH | But she has almost 200 megs of RAM. Who would win a knife fight on the moon? |
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| 21:13.51 | pickcoder | JordiGH: ceramic or metal blades? |
| 21:14.40 | dondelelcaro | pickcoder: obsidean |
| 21:14.53 | JordiGH | Yeah, Aztec-style. |
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| 21:17.18 | pickcoder | heh |
| 21:17.37 | mrfree | logs messages and Xorg doesn't contain nothing interesting |
| 21:18.47 | abbe | JordiGH, dondelelcaro : thanks. I'm able to build my first debian package successfully :) |
| 21:19.20 | dondelelcaro | abbe: now you need to run lintian on it and make sure you've done things properly. |
| 21:19.49 | abbe | dondelelcaro: yup, I'm following new maintainer's guide. |
| 21:20.05 | dondelelcaro | abbe: cool. |
| 21:20.51 | smacnay | What is the quickest way to backup the default contents of my usb pen drive? dd ? |
| 21:22.02 | abbe | dondelelcaro: a silly question, I've to specify dpkg-buildpackage -kKEYID -rfakeroot to build signed packages, any ideas how to avoid passing -kKEYID ? |
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| 21:23.02 | dondelelcaro | abbe: I actually don't bother pasing it at all; I use -us and -uc and sign them later using debsign. |
| 21:23.05 | \amethyst | { foo; bar; } is a pipeline with one component |
| 21:23.07 | \amethyst | doh |
| 21:23.23 | dondelelcaro | abbe: but you don't have to pass it if the changelog entry matches exactly a key in your keyring. |
| 21:23.24 | abbe | dondelelcaro: gpg: [stdin]: clearsign failed: secret key not available, whereas "echo hi |gpg --clearsign" works fine without any errors |
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| 21:26.17 | dondelelcaro | abbe: yes, that's because gpg --clearsign uses the default uid whereas when it's called by debsign or dpkg-buildpackage, it uses the uid from the changelog. |
| 21:26.18 | abbe | dondelelcaro: gpg: skipped "Ashish Shukla <abbe@domain.tld>": secret key not available, where a pub/priv key is present corresponding to abbe@domain.tld userid |
| 21:27.01 | dondelelcaro | abbe: what does gpg --listkeys 'Ashish Shukla <abbe@domain.tld>'; do? |
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| 21:27.08 | dondelelcaro | s/tk/t-k/ |
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| 21:28.46 | abbe | dondelelcaro: gpg --list-keys outputted public key not found . oops, there is a comment field in my key, how do I specify that ? |
| 21:29.10 | dondelelcaro | abbe: best to just add a UID with only your name and e-mail address. |
| 21:29.24 | niklas | I just reinstalled Etch, but now when I try to boot it says "Error 15: File not found". Seems like the kernel is not found. I assume I will have to edit the GRUB config to boot from the correct hard drive(I've got two). But there's another problem, I cannot mount the drive. It says the device is not found. I'm doing mount -t ext3 /dev/hdb /mnt/hd2 |
| 21:29.40 | abbe | dondelelcaro: but where to specify UID, is there any configuration file similar to .rpmmacros for rpmbuild, hmm... ? |
| 21:29.58 | dondelelcaro | abbe: that's the changelog entry. |
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| 21:30.43 | abbe | dondelelcaro: okay, you mean I add another uid in my gpg key |
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| 21:32.19 | ricardo | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:32.27 | dondelelcaro | ricardo: yes |
| 21:32.37 | abbe | dondelelcaro: thanks that worked, :) |
| 21:32.38 | ricardo | ok thanks |
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| 21:34.32 | xand | niklas: you shouldn't mount /dev/hdb, probably hdb1? |
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| 21:34.49 | niklas | xand: tried hdb1 as well |
| 21:35.03 | maher | niklas: try cat /proc/partitions |
| 21:35.04 | niklas | hda and hda1 too |
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| 21:35.13 | xand | fdisk -l to see all partitions (run as root) |
| 21:35.14 | maher | niklas: or fdisk -l |
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| 21:36.11 | eth01 | oh |
| 21:36.31 | itchi | Is that normal that the /var/log/exim4/mainlog and /var/spool/exim4/ is owned by identd? |
| 21:36.45 | dondelelcaro | itchi: if you're running exim out of identd, possibly. |
| 21:36.59 | dondelelcaro | why you'd do that, though, I've no idea. |
| 21:37.34 | itchi | dondelelcaro: Well, i did the same setup as before. I'm reinstalling my mailserver, but now on another box and used my same note. Weird that it changed |
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| 21:39.04 | itchi | dondelelcaro: How could it that i'm running exim out of identd? |
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| 21:39.28 | niklas | maher, xand: Ops. It was formatted as ext2 for some reason, that's what was wrong. Misleading error message... |
| 21:39.49 | niklas | There's no CLI text editor on the installer CD? |
| 21:39.57 | dondelelcaro | itchi: see what is listening on 25. If it's exim, you're not, if it's inetd you are. |
| 21:40.10 | dondelelcaro | niklas: yes, there is. nano-tiny or vim-tiny are there. |
| 21:40.12 | niklas | maher, xand: thank you |
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| 21:40.23 | niklas | dondelelcaro: oh great. thank you |
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| 21:40.58 | itchi | dondelelcaro: Well, there's nothing running on port 25. I check the logs |
| 21:41.07 | dondelelcaro | itchi: with netstat -plunt; right? |
| 21:41.11 | itchi | dondelelcaro: yup |
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| 21:41.31 | itchi | !tell tuvwx about root |
| 21:41.39 | dondelelcaro | itchi: huh. well, do you want to run exim by itself? |
| 21:41.41 | eth01 | !root |
| 21:41.42 | dpkg | It has been said that root is the administrative account - only use it when root power is needed. So no reading mail, compiling programs, or running applications as root. And don't even think about irc'ing as root, it increases the danger from exploits and trojans (such as bliss), or see, for example, the security advisory on BitchX http://www.debian.org/security/2003/dsa-306 |
| 21:41.52 | itchi | dondelelcaro: Yes |
| 21:41.57 | eth01 | he's not identified :) |
| 21:42.04 | abbe | dondelelcaro: "W: ctrlproxy source: debian-rules-ignores-make-clean-error line 22" getting this warning since I'm doing "-make -i distclean" . Is this okay or shall I remove '-i', hmm...? |
| 21:42.20 | dondelelcaro | abbe: you should remove the leading - |
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| 21:42.30 | abbe | dondelelcaro: okay, thanks |
| 21:42.48 | dondelelcaro | itchi: ok, and exim is installed, I take it? |
| 21:42.55 | itchi | dondelelcaro: Yes |
| 21:43.03 | dondelelcaro | itchi: try dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config; |
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| 21:43.18 | itchi | dondelelcaro: Did that too :-) Doing again |
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| 21:43.58 | dondelelcaro | itchi: then check to see what is going on with /etc/init.d/exim4 start; and also what gentent passwd exim; getent passwd identd; outputs |
| 21:44.13 | itchi | dondelelcaro: Well, it seems that exim don't start up too: Stopping MTA for restart:No /usr/sbin/exim4 found running; none killed. |
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| 21:44.52 | itchi | dondelelcaro: I'm using NIS. Maybe is there somethings wrong with it. I used NIS+NFS on a server. I have migrate that to another server. I guess i have forget to do somethings |
| 21:45.04 | karrotx__ | what do you guys run for backup? |
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| 21:45.32 | Blue_Mousey | Backup? |
| 21:45.34 | Blue_Mousey | What's that :p |
| 21:45.38 | karrotx__ | haha |
| 21:45.44 | itchi | karrotx__: rsnapshot |
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| 21:45.51 | Blue_Mousey | itchi :O |
| 21:45.58 | itchi | karrotx__: RAID1, if you consider that as backup :-) |
| 21:46.00 | karrotx__ | any commercial products that might have support? |
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| 21:46.10 | karrotx__ | right now i've got an rdiff-backup setup with raid1 |
| 21:46.14 | Blue_Mousey | itchi, RAID1 is only a hardware matig backup |
| 21:46.15 | karrotx__ | i need something like netbackup |
| 21:46.22 | jakub_ | hey users |
| 21:46.25 | jakub_ | WTF with SCO ?:)_ |
| 21:46.27 | xand | i have NetVault running on one debian box c.c |
| 21:46.28 | jakub_ | they are down |
| 21:46.33 | xand | that's a commerical product |
| 21:46.35 | xand | jakub_: who cares |
| 21:46.35 | Blue_Mousey | If one drive fails, you have the other one |
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| 21:46.46 | Blue_Mousey | But you should also consider a daily backup of data files / databases |
| 21:46.46 | jakub_ | infoline is down |
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| 21:46.55 | xand | RAID1 isn't for backup |
| 21:46.56 | itchi | karrotx__: Well, take a look to rsnapshot, if you have time. It use rsync, ssh and hardlinks. Easy to setup and has a nice style of doing his work |
| 21:46.56 | Blue_Mousey | Possibly cron that to an external location |
| 21:47.02 | jakub_ | I think there will be war in next year |
| 21:47.03 | xand | well, only against harddisk failure |
| 21:47.06 | jakub_ | between MS and linux :) |
| 21:47.12 | Blue_Mousey | RAID1 is for hd backup xand |
| 21:47.31 | SerajewelKS | jakub_: what does SCO have to do with that |
| 21:47.32 | Blue_Mousey | jakub_, and i think you are retarded for thinking that. |
| 21:47.36 | karrotx__ | itchi: yup, i've seen it and used it |
| 21:47.38 | SerajewelKS | jakub_: and who cares what MS does |
| 21:47.42 | jakub_ | Blue_Mousey: why :) |
| 21:47.46 | karrotx__ | itchi: need a backup system that pushes not pulls |
| 21:47.48 | jakub_ | nothing |
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| 21:48.05 | jakub_ | but |
| 21:48.10 | jakub_ | i want, same happy end |
| 21:48.16 | SerajewelKS | !tell jakub_ about enter |
| 21:48.19 | Blue_Mousey | Nothing wrong with MS, Windows != Linux both have their advantages and disadvantages |
| 21:48.21 | jakub_ | SCO and MS, same happy end :-) |
| 21:48.37 | SerajewelKS | jakub_: again, i'm missing the relevance of this to debian |
| 21:48.38 | jakub_ | hmm |
| 21:48.44 | jakub_ | and ? |
| 21:48.45 | itchi | Blue_Mousey: Windows == Loose your time with playing games :-) |
| 21:48.54 | jakub_ | itchi: you can play games on wine |
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| 21:49.03 | SerajewelKS | jakub_: and what, you are in #debian, at least be on-topic |
| 21:49.15 | jakub_ | what is debian |
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| 21:49.28 | jakub_ | is debian supported by some foundation ? |
| 21:49.34 | SerajewelKS | !ops jakub_ troll |
| 21:49.34 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: serajewelks complains about: jakub_ troll |
| 21:49.38 | itchi | jakub_: Well, all Windows user only use his system to play games. We play other types of games, with much more challenges |
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| 21:50.01 | Blue_Mousey | itchi, i think we discussed that already many times in our own language... :p Windows is for normal users, unlike Linux which requires you to know alot of stuff |
| 21:50.03 | Nostahl | how do i roll back to the origional drivers debian set up for my ati card |
| 21:50.03 | jakub_ | i have great works with wine |
| 21:50.07 | jakub_ | i have more FPS on wine than on windows |
| 21:50.15 | itchi | Blue_Mousey: Ah, you are normal :-p |
| 21:50.32 | peter86 | I have problem when try tu run application "./lib/darwinia.bin.x86: ./lib/libgcc_s.so.1: version `GCC_4.2.0' not found (required by /usr/lib/libstdc++.so.6) |
| 21:50.32 | peter86 | " what can I do with it? |
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| 21:50.54 | lhadji | itchi, i use my windows system for high end audio recording since it is cheaper than apple (including software for windows) |
| 21:50.57 | dondelelcaro | jakub_: let me know if you actually have a Debian related question to ask. |
| 21:51.19 | Nostahl | anyone know how to roll back my video drivers to default debian drivers? |
| 21:51.20 | SerajewelKS | !beer dondelelcaro |
| 21:51.24 | itchi | Blue_Mousey: I feels so lost on Windows. I never know what to do. I hate loosing my time with games. GNU/Linux is so much fun to learn and try some things out |
| 21:51.34 | SerajewelKS | Nostahl: how did you install the other ones? |
| 21:51.41 | Nostahl | flgrx |
| 21:51.48 | Blue_Mousey | itchi: Ever thought that the average computer user really doesn't care about that? |
| 21:51.57 | itchi | Nostahl: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg |
| 21:51.58 | Blue_Mousey | They just want something that works to work and play a bit with |
| 21:52.09 | SerajewelKS | Nostahl: i said *how* |
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| 21:52.15 | SerajewelKS | Nostahl: debian packages? |
| 21:52.29 | Blue_Mousey | I've seen customers go totally happy on the tool Windows DVD Creator, while it really ain't that good, but whatever makes them happy. |
| 21:52.33 | itchi | Blue_Mousey: Well, i don't understand what may be hard to get Debian installed. Did you learn that Windows after 4 hours? |
| 21:52.53 | Blue_Mousey | itchi... you should know better than that |
| 21:52.56 | itchi | Blue_Mousey: It took me more time to understand the black magic of closed informations |
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| 21:53.48 | itchi | Blue_Mousey: Indeed, some stuff don't work out of the box. But this is the same with Windows too |
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| 21:53.59 | Blue_Mousey | FYI: I've installed debian on like 12 occasions and currently using virtual software to find out how to use Debian to replace Win2k(3) servers |
| 21:54.05 | itchi | Blue_Mousey: Just Install The Needed Stuff(tm) |
| 21:54.29 | Blue_Mousey | Microsoft isn't all bad and if you think that, you fail. |
| 21:54.33 | itchi | Blue_Mousey: Well, that's good news ;-) |
| 21:54.37 | Blue_Mousey | It's your loss, not mine ;) |
| 21:54.55 | itchi | Blue_Mousey: I don't find it bad at all, it just target some things i don't like |
| 21:55.04 | hayalci | Hi, I have a question about virtual interfaces(interface aliases) |
| 21:55.04 | hayalci | If I put the following, the virtual interfaces are not up when system boots. |
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| 21:55.06 | hayalci | auto ethX |
| 21:55.08 | hayalci | iface ethX inet static |
| 21:55.10 | hayalci | .. bla bla |
| 21:55.12 | hayalci | iface ethX:Y inet static ,, |
| 21:55.15 | hayalci | iface ethX:Z inet static .. |
| 21:55.15 | Blue_Mousey | itchi, if there was 1 thing that would please us all, we wouldn't be here right now. |
| 21:55.21 | Blue_Mousey | hayalci PLEASE use a PASTEBIN |
| 21:55.36 | Blue_Mousey | http://www.pastebin.com http://rafb.net/paste/ |
| 21:55.41 | hayalci | if I add auto ethX:y and auto ethX:Z lines, then this adds default route two more times |
| 21:55.45 | dondelelcaro | hayalci: you don't have auto lines for the virtual intervaces. |
| 21:55.58 | dondelelcaro | hayalci: and you're apparently specifying the default gateway multiple times, which is wrong. |
| 21:56.02 | cizzi | why does 'sudo -s' ask for the user password and gives you root access? |
| 21:56.11 | dondelelcaro | cizzi: because that's what sudo does. |
| 21:56.12 | SerajewelKS | hayalci: don't specify the gateway under the virtual interfaces |
| 21:56.14 | itchi | Blue_Mousey: There are some good tools on all different systems. And honesty, i'm been happy that "other" things may exist. That let me easy compare the stuff |
| 21:56.23 | Kobaz | cizzi: so that someone using your console needs to know a password to use it |
| 21:56.36 | hayalci | dondelelcaro: but I cannot understand why it does not up the interfaces at boot? |
| 21:56.48 | cizzi | dondelelcaro - but any user can type sudo -s and get root access? |
| 21:56.53 | cizzi | or only console |
| 21:56.54 | SerajewelKS | hayalci: because you don't have "auto ethX:Y ethX:Z" |
| 21:56.55 | dondelelcaro | hayalci: because you haven't told it to bring them up. |
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| 21:57.05 | dondelelcaro | cizzi: only those users specified in /etc/sudoers. man sudoers; |
| 21:57.09 | SerajewelKS | hayalci: it's not going to bring them up unless you tell it to |
| 21:57.11 | cizzi | ahh that makes sense |
| 21:57.12 | cizzi | thanks |
| 21:57.24 | hayalci | hmm, |
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| 21:57.49 | hayalci | then it adds the router two more times because it is stated in the virtual i/f config |
| 21:57.56 | Blue_Mousey | itchi, i see microsoft improving. |
| 21:58.01 | SerajewelKS | hayalci: uhm yes, have you been listening |
| 21:58.18 | Blue_Mousey | Which might have been encouraged by the rising up of opponents in the market. |
| 21:58.20 | hayalci | ok, I see the error, thanks for the help |
| 21:58.24 | SerajewelKS | hayalci: you do *not* specify routing information under the virtual configuration |
| 21:58.28 | itchi | Blue_Mousey: Hope that both does, so that the challenge/competition still continue :-) |
| 21:58.30 | SerajewelKS | virtual interface* configuration |
| 21:58.43 | hayalci | so three lines would suffice ; auto, iface, address |
| 21:58.44 | Blue_Mousey | I don't judge software on whether its been crap before, i judge it on if its crap right now |
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| 21:58.51 | Blue_Mousey | Software changes, demands change. |
| 21:58.51 | SerajewelKS | hayalci: yes |
| 21:58.53 | hayalci | should I include netmask and other details ? |
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| 21:59.05 | hayalci | probably not? |
| 21:59.09 | SerajewelKS | hayalci: the netmask yes, that is part of the address in a way |
| 21:59.12 | Blue_Mousey | I try to supply the best software to fit with the demands. That's what i find a part of my job subscription. |
| 21:59.17 | SerajewelKS | hayalci: and define "other details" |
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| 21:59.24 | Blue_Mousey | I compare linux and microsoft. |
| 21:59.35 | hayalci | SerajewelKS: broadcast address and network name |
| 21:59.47 | Blue_Mousey | I've always found windows server lousy when it comes to webservers... mainly because i dislike IIS and its associates |
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| 21:59.56 | karrotx__ | so do any of you guys run commercial products? |
| 21:59.58 | InnerFIRE | anyone here good with udev ? |
| 22:00.02 | karrotx__ | or anything that is actually not a piece of shit |
| 22:00.06 | niklas | how do you re-select groups of packages to install? Like you select e.g. "web server" etc in the installer |
| 22:00.07 | bucky | Blue_Mousey, /topic |
| 22:00.28 | dondelelcaro | niklas: that's tasksel, though you really don't need to use it. Just install the specific packages that you want. |
| 22:00.30 | SerajewelKS | hayalci: i'm not sure if the name does anything functional, so i don't know there |
| 22:00.41 | niklas | dondelelcaro: ok, thank you |
| 22:00.42 | SerajewelKS | hayalci: broadcast address, i'm not sure either. try it both ways. |
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| 22:00.48 | itchi | niklas: See "tasksel" |
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| 22:01.37 | itchi | niklas: I always only install the standard system and then install the required things. Much more clean |
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| 22:02.02 | itchi | niklas: BTW, that will learn you the required tools that a meta package install |
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| 22:02.17 | niklas | itchi: true. I will have a look at what I can select, I did not even read the list. Accidentally just hit enter. |
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| 22:02.41 | hayalci | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:02.48 | hayalci | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:03.05 | InnerFIRE | I'm trying to lock my 7 in 1 card reader to /dev/card_sm etc |
| 22:03.11 | SerajewelKS | hayalci: np |
| 22:03.16 | InnerFIRE | anyone know how to do that? the page I found on it seems to not work |
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| 22:08.40 | itchi | dondelelcaro: I have chmod that /var/log/exim4/ to Debian-exim. And it seems to be ok now. I'm able to send mail with the "mail" app without any complains now. I guess that i first started exim wrong with the concequences i have got |
| 22:09.10 | mrfree | which services should I enable at boot? checkfs, checkroot, udev... |
| 22:09.35 | itchi | mrfree: All is automagic for these |
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| 22:10.21 | mrfree | itchi, ah ok... I'd like to disable the useless (for me) services |
| 22:10.30 | mrfree | exim4 spamassassin for example |
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| 22:10.53 | gino | hi!!!! |
| 22:10.58 | itchi | mrfree: See update-rc.d |
| 22:11.03 | gino | im need some help with chroot |
| 22:11.40 | gino | im do: chroot /media/sda6 (root) and i recive this |
| 22:12.00 | gino | chroot: cannot execute /bin/bash: No such file or directory |
| 22:12.23 | wols | gino: your /media/sda6 doesn't have a file /media/sda6/bin/bash in it |
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| 22:12.36 | gino | wait |
| 22:12.46 | wols | you will need bash and all of its supportlibs to be able to run a chroot in there that way |
| 22:12.53 | holycow | *hmmm* |
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| 22:13.14 | holycow | i have a drive containing a dual boot setup, ntfs/ext3 with some extended partitions |
| 22:13.18 | gino | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:13.27 | gino | /media/sda6/bin/bash |
| 22:13.45 | wols | gino: ldd /bin/bash |
| 22:13.53 | wols | the supportlibs must be there too |
| 22:13.56 | holycow | how do i calculate how much to dd? its around 80 gigs total ... do i just dd 90 gigs even though the extra space is unpartitions and unformatted? |
| 22:14.13 | gino | in sda6 i have debian amd64... and now im runing x64 arch |
| 22:14.21 | gino | wols: what? |
| 22:14.23 | dondelelcaro | holycow: is there any reason why you just don't dd it all? |
| 22:14.27 | gino | my english is no good |
| 22:14.28 | wols | gino: then it should actually work |
| 22:14.41 | wols | holycow: what are you dding exactly? |
| 22:14.45 | wols | holycow: a partition? |
| 22:15.14 | holycow | dondelelcaro: actually i really don't want to, it will take forever, i don't know how to copy over an ntfs partition tho so i figured dd the whole dual boot hd over to a mirror hd would suffice |
| 22:15.28 | gino | wols: the complete opput is |
| 22:15.33 | dondelelcaro | holycow: oh, you can just dd the ntfs partition if you want. |
| 22:15.40 | gino | chroot: no se puede ejecutar la orden �/bin/bash�: Formato de ejecutable incorrecto |
| 22:15.40 | holycow | suggestions? i guess i could dd the boot sector, the ntfs partition and then image the debian partitions over manually |
| 22:16.02 | dondelelcaro | gino: it'd help if you went LANG=C foocommandthatfails; |
| 22:16.03 | wols | gino: so it says "wrong exectuable format" |
| 22:16.14 | gino | that its mean : chroot can find /bin/bash: |
| 22:16.17 | gino | yeap |
| 22:16.23 | wols | holycow: which partition do you want to copy over? |
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| 22:16.55 | wols | gino: file /bin/bash and file /media/sda6/bin/bash |
| 22:17.30 | wols | holycow: you can just do "dd if=/dev/sda1" or whatever your ntfs partition is |
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| 22:17.47 | holycow | wols: all of them, i'm just going to dd in one usb connection and dd it out to another usb port as they are external drivers. i want to mirror the entire dual boot seteup on the original without doing any manual installs. was wondering if i can dd etra space just in case or if i haveto calculate the exact bitwise size |
| 22:18.05 | gino | ups |
| 22:18.07 | gino | im baCK |
| 22:18.17 | gino | wols: what can i do?= |
| 22:18.26 | wols | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:18.52 | wols | helo: neither. so you want to dd a disk? |
| 22:19.06 | holycow | wols: dd a disk yeah |
| 22:19.10 | gino | ok |
| 22:19.13 | wols | dd if=/dev/sda |
| 22:19.23 | wols | but use a blocksize of 1MB or so |
| 22:19.28 | holycow | so dd will know when to stop? |
| 22:19.52 | holycow | if i remember correctly i think i'm supposed to tell it how much to copy? |
| 22:19.53 | mrfree | itchi, do you mean that I don't need to add checkfs and co to rc2.d? |
| 22:19.54 | gino | wols: in bin bash: /bin/bash: ELF 32-bit LSB executable, Intel 80386, version 1 (SYSV), for GNU/Linux 2.6.8, dynamically linked (uses shared libs), stripped |
| 22:20.04 | gino | /media/sda6/bin/bash: ELF 64-bit LSB executable, x86-64, version 1 (SYSV), for GNU/Linux 2.6.0, dynamically linked (uses shared libs), stripped |
| 22:20.27 | gino | but in sda6 doing chroot to this(sda3) work rigth |
| 22:20.55 | itchi | mrfree: Yeah, and remote the other you don't want |
| 22:21.31 | wols | gino: you do not run x64 arch |
| 22:21.33 | wols | gino: you run 32bit arch |
| 22:21.45 | holycow | wols: got it, thank you |
| 22:22.07 | gino | this way 32 to x86_64, doesnt work??? |
| 22:22.25 | gino | but x86_64 to 32 bits work?? |
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| 22:22.55 | wols | gino: no. it will work if you run a 64bit distro and run a 32bit chroot |
| 22:22.57 | itchi | A DegradedArray event had been detected on md device /dev/md0.\n Faithfully yours, etc. |
| 22:23.02 | itchi | Nice message :-) |
| 22:23.19 | wols | gino: or at least run a 64bit kernel with a 32bit userland, but not totalls sure there |
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| 22:23.35 | gino | mmm... very thanx... |
| 22:24.09 | itchi | System mails are send to a user. I may need to change this to another user. Where can i do that? |
| 22:24.31 | streuner | wols: mplayer mms://streaming-internet.fem.tu-ilmenau.de/saal1 |
| 22:24.34 | gino | im needing to compile and make deb pakc.... under 64... but i cant reboot the machine--- |
| 22:25.15 | enouf | mms? == eww :-p |
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| 22:25.22 | wols | streuner: what this is? |
| 22:25.31 | streuner | wols: CCC |
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| 22:25.45 | itchi | oh cool grep -r -H david /etc and i got it :-p |
| 22:25.50 | streuner | wols: CCC congress in Berlin ;-) Acutally "Dan" speaking |
| 22:26.04 | fjfalcon | from ip r default dev ppp0 scope link - what mean "scope link: ? |
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| 22:26.52 | enouf | generally scope == range |
| 22:26.54 | mmlj4 | how to un-chroot postfix, please? |
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| 22:27.04 | enouf | exit? |
| 22:27.11 | rs^ | i have one openvpn server in the net now i have set up a router somewhere else in the net and put a road warrior conf on it. Everything is fine till now, I can ping the hosts from the road warrior router beahind my openvpn server. But when connecting clients to my road warrior router i cant ping the hosts behind my openvpn server. I tryed with tcpdump and saw that the conection is going in that way from the roadwarrior router but I dont see it arri |
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| 22:28.01 | streuner | wols: http://events.ccc.de/congress/2007/Main_Page |
| 22:28.07 | mrfree | itchi, is there a way to know which services are automatically loaded at boot? |
| 22:28.11 | streuner | wols: its fun pure ;-) |
| 22:28.46 | gino | wols: thanx |
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| 22:29.19 | itchi | mrfree: Look to which init you go to (/etc/inittab) and then look in /etc/rcX.d. Where X is the runlevel |
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| 22:29.44 | mrfree | kk |
| 22:29.47 | enouf | mrfree: you can use sysv-rc-conf to see that, if your booting into 2, then rcconf would do, or just ps aux once booted |
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| 22:30.19 | enouf | $ grep initdefault /etc/inittab |
| 22:30.19 | enouf | id:2:initdefault: |
| 22:30.20 | itchi | mrfree: rcconf is a nice tool, the other also |
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| 22:30.41 | mrfree | enouf, yeah but for example udev isn't symlinked under rc2.d but itchi told me it starts automatically |
| 22:30.49 | enouf | there are factoids about each too itchi |
| 22:31.00 | mrfree | I'm trying sysvconfig |
| 22:31.04 | enouf | it does, see rcS.d |
| 22:31.09 | enouf | er .. |
| 22:31.12 | enouf | let me check |
| 22:31.59 | enouf | $ ls -l /etc/rcS.d/S03udev |
| 22:31.59 | enouf | lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 14 2006-07-23 21:54 /etc/rcS.d/S03udev -> ../init.d/udev |
| 22:32.01 | enouf | is the main one, iinm |
| 22:32.15 | wols | streuner: awesomeness. I remmeber slirp (to a vax vt100 back then) |
| 22:32.20 | mrfree | ok many thanks guys |
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| 22:32.56 | enouf | !tell mrfree about sysv-rc-conf |
| 22:33.15 | enouf | !tell mrfree about selftell |
| 22:33.35 | mrfree | k |
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| 22:34.23 | itchi | mrfree: Try also for that rcconf ;-) |
| 22:35.04 | BlueG | what do I need to install for flash support in iceweasel? |
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| 22:35.27 | paozinho | !tell paozinho about ubuntu |
| 22:35.42 | maher | BlueG: the mozilla flash plugin - tryapt-cache search flash |
| 22:35.52 | itchi | !tell paozinho -about selftell |
| 22:36.16 | paozinho | !tell itchi about education |
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| 22:36.51 | Nostahl | do i have to mount my cdrom to listen to music cd's from it? |
| 22:36.59 | itchi | paozinho: Well you missed the point, but i don't care |
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| 22:37.37 | itchi | Nostahl: No, as long it's not mp3 or "true" files |
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| 22:37.55 | Nostahl | its just a regular cd |
| 22:37.56 | BlueG | well, there is an swf-player and a libflash-mozplugin, what is the difference, how do I decide which I want? |
| 22:37.59 | Nostahl | the darkness :) |
| 22:38.10 | Nostahl | how do it play it with mplayer |
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| 22:39.03 | itchi | BlueG: You probably want flashplugin-nonfree. A easier way to find this is to do apt-cache search iceweasel |
| 22:39.06 | maher | BlueG: you watn mozplugin |
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| 22:39.51 | BlueG | itchi: I take it flashplugin-nonfree is the actual adobe plugin? |
| 22:40.23 | BlueG | maher: how well does libflash-mozplugin work? |
| 22:40.26 | endra | HEY |
| 22:40.31 | itchi | BlueG: It's just a script that download the needed thing and set it up |
| 22:40.34 | endra | how can I packet sniff all packets from command line |
| 22:40.37 | maher | BlueG: no idea - you probablu want the nonfree one |
| 22:41.04 | BlueG | hmmm, well, I prefer free software whenever possible... |
| 22:41.05 | itchi | BlueG: Try apt-cache show flashplugin-nonfree |
| 22:41.26 | olri | endra: man tcpdump |
| 22:41.33 | Nostahl | where can i go to set it up to auto open a audio player when i put an audio cd in the cdrom |
| 22:41.53 | spx2 | for /etc/hosts.allow to be read and used what do I have to restart ? |
| 22:42.44 | itchi | Nostahl: This depend of the desktop environment |
| 22:42.56 | Nostahl | i have xfce |
| 22:43.00 | itchi | spx2: Nothing |
| 22:43.23 | spx2 | itchi, it just works ? |
| 22:43.35 | AKX | Does anyone know of a command line tool to simply cut an MP3 (or a WAV) file? I need the first minute of a file. |
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| 22:43.42 | itchi | spx2: Out Of The Box(tm) :-) |
| 22:44.13 | spx2 | itchi, cool,then /etc/hosts.allow doesnt seem to work for me |
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| 22:44.44 | itchi | spx2: You miss that tcp wrapper |
| 22:44.46 | spx2 | itchi, oh it seems to work now |
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| 22:45.08 | spx2 | itchi, I actually saw that a motherfux0r is trying to connect to my ftp |
| 22:45.12 | spx2 | itchi, and brute it |
| 22:45.26 | itchi | spx2: Brute force his mind ;-) |
| 22:45.35 | spx2 | itchi, so I've set up my hosts.allow for him |
| 22:45.52 | spx2 | itchi, I've also read about a nice thing fail2ban and BlockHosts :) very very nice things |
| 22:45.54 | spx2 | itchi, |
| 22:46.13 | itchi | spx2: Well, fail2ban is that good |
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| 22:46.20 | cmdln | how do I lest all held packages? |
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| 22:46.46 | itchi | cmdln: With apt-get or aptitude? |
| 22:47.11 | cmdln | apt-get |
| 22:47.31 | itchi | cmdln: I don't remember for that and i'm to lazy to look to docs for old things :-p |
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| 22:47.36 | Crissi | hello |
| 22:47.39 | Crissi | i need help |
| 22:47.41 | cmdln | then aptitiude :) |
| 22:47.50 | itchi | cmdln: Do you already use aptitude? |
| 22:47.57 | cmdln | on some systems |
| 22:48.02 | Crissi | my sasl dont like my users |
| 22:48.12 | Crissi | the sasldb2 looks ok |
| 22:48.19 | itchi | cmdln: Because the first time. The migration of apt-get to aptitude will bring some fun :-) I may say, first fix that :-p |
| 22:48.29 | Crissi | but testsaslauthd always say no |
| 22:48.32 | cmdln | heh |
| 22:48.56 | cmdln | on newer systems i use aptitude ... on my laptop i use apt-get |
| 22:48.59 | Crissi | i had started the saslauthd with debug but that is not helpful |
| 22:49.24 | Crissi | saslauthd[4441] :do_auth : auth failure: [user=ct@mydom.de] [service=imap] [realm=] [mech=sasldb] [reason=Unknown] |
| 22:49.24 | Crissi | saslauthd[4441] :do_request : response: NO |
| 22:49.30 | itchi | cmdln: You should need to forget about apt-get to install stuff |
| 22:49.34 | Crissi | any ideas? |
| 22:49.40 | itchi | cmdln: No, sorry |
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| 22:50.35 | ManuP | which script is exeuted when the screensaver appears? i dont want a screensaver but to execute: xset dpms force off |
| 22:50.35 | stoned | hey dudes |
| 22:50.41 | ManuP | how do i do this? |
| 22:50.58 | Nostahl | whats a good little program for extracting tar.bz2 files and such |
| 22:51.02 | Nostahl | with a gui |
| 22:51.03 | enouf | Nostahl: tried #xfce? #xfce4? (maybe) |
| 22:51.10 | stoned | Nostahl: I use Ark |
| 22:51.32 | Nostahl | apt-get install ark? |
| 22:51.35 | stoned | Nostahl: aptitude install ark zip unzip rar unrar arj p7zip |
| 22:51.41 | enouf | Nostahl: do /msg chanserv list #xfc* |
| 22:51.43 | itchi | Nostahl: Well, if it's that hard in cli, make use of "unp". Take a look for that. But honesty, tar is not that hard once used to use it. |
| 22:51.49 | stoned | Nostahl: after you add contrib non-free to soures.list |
| 22:51.56 | stoned | that should take care of all your archiving needs |
| 22:52.03 | stoned | unless you did a bare install, you should also tar bzip2 |
| 22:52.09 | stoned | s/tar/have |
| 22:52.23 | stoned | cli ftw! |
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| 22:52.44 | itchi | Nostahl: unp is just a litlle script that make use of the tools stoned told. unp is a very very easy tool to use when you are tired :-p |
| 22:52.59 | stoned | unp eh |
| 22:53.02 | stoned | !unp |
| 22:53.02 | dpkg | from memory, unp is a tool to run an appropriate unpacking/extracting program for various compressed file formats. It tells loudly if the appropriate program (eg. unrar) is not installed and how to install it. |
| 22:53.07 | stoned | ahh |
| 22:53.12 | stoned | dude its like wajig |
| 22:53.16 | stoned | haha, awesome |
| 22:53.24 | enouf | Nostahl: apt-get install bzip2 |
| 22:53.25 | itchi | stoned: Well, i use unp when i'm tired :-) |
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| 22:53.34 | Nostahl | i tryed apt to get that line of unzippers and it couldnt find any of them it said |
| 22:53.36 | stoned | you ever used wajig? |
| 22:53.48 | simonrvn | 'tried' |
| 22:53.53 | stoned | Nostahl: I said to add conbrit non-free |
| 22:53.56 | stoned | !connrib |
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| 22:54.01 | stoned | !crontib |
| 22:54.04 | stoned | oh fuck me runnin |
| 22:54.05 | itchi | stoned: Not yet |
| 22:54.09 | Nostahl | oh |
| 22:54.14 | stoned | contrib! |
| 22:54.17 | stoned | goddamit |
| 22:54.35 | stoned | !wajig |
| 22:54.35 | dpkg | Wajig packages into one tool many commands useful for managing a Debian system. Instead of having to remember whether to use dpkg or apt-get or apt-cache, etc, wajig does the selection of the appropriate tool for you. Wajig also never needs to be run as root - it will call sudo as necessary. To get wajig, apt-get install wajig. |
| 22:54.47 | Nostahl | unp did the trick though |
| 22:54.49 | Nostahl | ty for that one |
| 22:54.59 | stoned | wajig is old favorite |
| 22:55.04 | itchi | stoned: That's another target that awjig |
| 22:55.11 | itchi | wajig* |
| 22:55.14 | simonrvn | i found wajig to get in the way |
| 22:55.15 | stoned | target? |
| 22:55.18 | stoned | simonrvn: sometimes |
| 22:55.22 | stoned | I made my own aliases |
| 22:55.26 | stoned | hi btw |
| 22:55.32 | simonrvn | hey |
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| 22:56.00 | simonrvn | okokok, ok? |
| 22:56.07 | Nyle | ok |
| 22:56.11 | simonrvn | cute nick :) |
| 22:56.18 | Nyle | you talkn to me? |
| 22:56.29 | simonrvn | never :P |
| 22:56.53 | Nyle | so you think its cute after so many years |
| 22:57.00 | Nyle | it wasn't cute nick before? |
| 22:57.04 | ManuP | someone an idea? i use gnome and want to know which script is executed when screensaver appears. |
| 22:57.04 | simonrvn | j/k; not that time, just in general |
| 22:57.08 | Nyle | i been stoned/nyle for years upon years |
| 22:57.15 | Nyle | hehe i know im just giving ya hard time |
| 22:57.21 | Nyle | ManuP: hmm |
| 22:57.24 | simonrvn | specifically, to 'okok' |
| 22:57.25 | Nyle | hang |
| 22:57.31 | simonrvn | hard time? o_O |
| 22:57.34 | simonrvn | :P |
| 22:57.52 | simonrvn | i am too hehe |
| 22:58.35 | Nyle | ManuP: list the files in the xscreensaver package and look around |
| 22:58.42 | simonrvn | ManuP: the "script" is called xscreensaver (not a script, an actual C binary) |
| 22:58.43 | Nyle | ManuP: dpkg -L xscreensaver |
| 22:58.48 | Nyle | oh is it |
| 22:58.56 | simonrvn | as are all the other screensaver plugins |
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| 22:59.38 | simonrvn | er, ,^scre,x, |
| 22:59.46 | ManuP | so if i would replace xscreensaver with a bash-script, it would do? i want to exec xset dpms force off instead of the screensaver. |
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| 23:00.02 | Nyle | why |
| 23:00.12 | simonrvn | so kill it in your gnome session and add that instead |
| 23:00.17 | Nyle | why don't you just turn that off in xorg.conf |
| 23:00.38 | Nyle | option "dpms" "off" |
| 23:00.40 | Nyle | something like that |
| 23:00.46 | Nyle | at least I think anyway |
| 23:01.03 | ManuP | Nyle, SiliconViper i dont have xscreensaver installed |
| 23:01.20 | Nyle | i dont' know anything about screensavers |
| 23:01.26 | Nyle | im gonna go eat my white castle slider |
| 23:01.28 | Nyle | slyder |
| 23:01.33 | ManuP | Nyle, hmm.. if i do the dpms off thing, my screen is black. |
| 23:01.46 | ManuP | i only want it black after 10 minuits :) |
| 23:01.53 | cizzi | where does ftp keep its log file if i installed it with 'apt-get install ftpd' ? |
| 23:01.57 | ManuP | want to see sth. when i am at the pc |
| 23:02.03 | Nyle | cizzi: /var/log/ftpd? |
| 23:02.05 | cizzi | no |
| 23:02.08 | cizzi | no such file |
| 23:02.13 | simonrvn | /var/log like all the other daemons |
| 23:02.15 | Nyle | i know i got /var/log/vsftpd.log |
| 23:02.23 | Nyle | maybe its ftpd.log |
| 23:02.26 | DawnLight | wow, ltsp looks utterly sweet |
| 23:02.28 | ManuP | Nyle, bon appetitt |
| 23:02.39 | Nyle | DawnLight: i know |
| 23:02.40 | ManuP | cizzi, locate ftp |
| 23:02.52 | DawnLight | Nyle: you used it? |
| 23:03.00 | Nyle | yes a few weeks ago |
| 23:03.06 | DawnLight | for what? |
| 23:03.07 | cizzi | ManuP - i did that |
| 23:03.10 | Nyle | I was trying to serve up a running debian system for netbooting |
| 23:03.21 | Nyle | live debian system that clients can boot over pxe |
| 23:03.22 | DawnLight | and? |
| 23:03.26 | Nyle | and what? |
| 23:03.28 | wols | streuner: thanks, was a great talk |
| 23:03.32 | Nostahl | whats lenny and sid |
| 23:03.35 | Nostahl | compared to etch |
| 23:03.39 | cizzi | ftpd is started only when a request is sent from inet.d |
| 23:03.41 | Nyle | !releases |
| 23:03.41 | dpkg | somebody said releases was See http://www.debian.org/releases/ for an explanation of releases. see <release history> for prior releases. http://wiki.debian.org/DebianReleases |
| 23:03.43 | cizzi | i dont have it running at all times |
| 23:03.44 | DawnLight | how did it go, Nyle |
| 23:03.46 | Nyle | Nostahl: ^^ |
| 23:03.46 | cizzi | like a deamon |
| 23:03.50 | Nostahl | ty |
| 23:03.52 | Nyle | DawnLight: it went |
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| 23:04.48 | Nostahl | whats your opinion of lenny nyle |
| 23:04.57 | Nyle | i don't have an opinion |
| 23:05.01 | enouf | ManuP: i don;t know, but for X you can set params for DPMS in xorg.conf, (IIRC), or use xset to set a time as well, but for console mode see file:///etc/console-tools/config |
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| 23:05.04 | Nostahl | is it semi stable just not labled stable basicly? |
| 23:05.10 | Nyle | !testing |
| 23:05.10 | dpkg | i guess testing is a release/suite between <stable> and <unstable>. testing currently points to <lenny>. See http://www.linuxmafia.com/debian/testingfaq.html for frequently asked questions about testing. Also check out http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2000/12/msg00011.html for the initial release. Ask me about <etch->lenny>, or a few days old glorified unstable with missing packages |
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| 23:05.31 | pipeline | Nostahl: Technically, testing is supposed to be in a release-able state at *all times* |
| 23:05.46 | pipeline | Nostahl: They frequently fall short of that goal. Game-breaker bugs slip into testing every now and then. |
| 23:05.48 | Nyle | pipeline: with over few hundred rc bugs |
| 23:05.50 | Nostahl | i think im going to get lenny |
| 23:05.50 | Nyle | i think not. |
| 23:05.54 | Nostahl | cause i want thunar volman |
| 23:05.56 | pipeline | Nostahl: so, yes, most of the time it should be pretty clean. But sometimes it's not. |
| 23:06.06 | ManuP | enouf, atm i am investigating gnome-screensaver and gnome-screensaver-command |
| 23:06.16 | DawnLight | Nostahl: you want recent, get gentoo |
| 23:06.18 | Nyle | atm i am investigating enouf |
| 23:06.35 | Nostahl | i like debian so far |
| 23:06.41 | Nyle | he has been engaging in non-debian activity |
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| 23:06.57 | darthwonka | hi folks.. ldap authentication question.. nss_ldap.conf and pam_ldap.conf look identical to me.. Are they necessary? Can I just use /etc/ldap.conf and dump those? |
| 23:07.06 | Nyle | ahem so Nostahl I think they have latest xfce backported to stabl |
| 23:07.22 | Nyle | you can get thunar etc. |
| 23:07.32 | Nostahl | they dont have volman exept in sid and lenny |
| 23:07.33 | Nostahl | i checked |
| 23:07.39 | Nyle | Nostahl: backport it yourself |
| 23:07.47 | DawnLight | Nostahl: you know backports? |
| 23:07.47 | Nyle | actually there is a 3rd party repo |
| 23:07.57 | Nyle | !bpo |
| 23:07.57 | dpkg | backports.org is, like, an unofficial repository of backports for the current stable distribution, prepared by Debian developers. Read http://backports.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=instructions ask me about <backports>. A sample line for your sources.list is: deb http://www.backports.org/debian etch-backports main contrib non-free. Once you've added that line, aptitude update && aptitude install debian-backports-keyring && aptitude update |
| 23:08.32 | Nostahl | so what that does is just connects me to lenny repo's basicly? |
| 23:08.48 | Nyle | no |
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| 23:08.50 | Nyle | !backport |
| 23:08.50 | dpkg | well, backport is a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and ABI complications. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-package.en.html#s-port or http://backports.org/ or http://www.apt-get.org/ or ask me about <simple sid backport> and <backport caveat>, or <backports.org> |
| 23:08.51 | ManuP | thanks guys, will look for it tomorrow. gn8 |
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| 23:09.06 | Nyle | read first sentence |
| 23:09.09 | Nostahl | ah |
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| 23:09.34 | Nyle | !why is thunar not in testing |
| 23:09.34 | dpkg | thunar is not in testing for the reasons listed in http://bjorn.haxx.se/debian/testing.pl?package=thunar |
| 23:09.38 | Nostahl | so thats my ticket for getting volman eh |
| 23:09.46 | Nyle | that is correct |
| 23:10.23 | Nyle | i need to bake |
| 23:10.34 | tdrusk | I brought a bunch of files off my hard drive but they are all owned by root. I tried chmod -R +rw /home/tyler but that didn't work. I had to be root to execute that command. What can I do to make my folders readable and writable by all? |
| 23:10.55 | maher | tdrusk: chown |
| 23:11.16 | DawnLight | can't you be root? |
| 23:11.19 | Nyle | chown,chgrp,chmod |
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| 23:11.21 | wols | tdrusk: what filesystem? |
| 23:11.28 | Nyle | chdir too I think |
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| 23:11.38 | tdrusk | ext3 |
| 23:11.41 | Nyle | i dunno if chdir was dos or linux commandfrom back in the day |
| 23:11.41 | wols | Nyle: you already ARE baked |
| 23:11.51 | Nyle | wols: that is correct |
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| 23:12.20 | wols | tdrusk: why did those files belong to root on your ext3 disk? |
| 23:12.39 | dryrot | how in bash can i detect if a ssh connection is working |
| 23:12.52 | tdrusk | I brought them over from a external hard drive. I'm not sure why they belong to root. |
| 23:13.04 | tdrusk | they are in my home folder at the moment |
| 23:13.05 | wols | tdrusk: you external harddisk, what filesystem is this? |
| 23:13.20 | tdrusk | ntfs soon to be ext3 if I can get this worked out. |
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| 23:13.45 | wols | then next time mount the external harddisk with uid of your user as an option |
| 23:13.48 | wols | !vfatrw |
| 23:13.49 | dpkg | To get write access to a vfat partition when mounting it with fstab, use the line "/dev/partition /mount/point vfat defaults,uid=USERID,gid=GROUPID,umask=002 0 0" in /etc/fstab. umask=002 will make the partition rwxrwxr-x, while umask=022 will make it rwxr-xr-x. Get your user/group ids with the command "id" |
| 23:13.52 | maher | tdrusk: chown -R user:user * |
| 23:14.01 | wols | sam with like this but for ntfs or ntfs3g |
| 23:14.17 | wols | maher: that certainlly will not work on the ntfs disk |
| 23:14.21 | tdrusk | so I replace user with my name correct? |
| 23:14.22 | Nyle | immagine many diff fruit flavored chewing gums all rolled into one |
| 23:14.30 | Nyle | thats how good this bud tastes and smells |
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| 23:14.32 | tdrusk | the files are on ext3 now. I moved them. |
| 23:14.33 | maher | wols: i thought he wanted to change the ones he copied over... |
| 23:14.36 | wols | replace USERID with it |
| 23:14.43 | Nyle | i see what he did |
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| 23:15.05 | wols | then you need to be root to be able to chown them differently |
| 23:15.18 | tdrusk | ok, so I am tyler. I do: chown -R user:tyler * ? |
| 23:15.22 | Mechdave | Hi all, newbie question, How do I get my ralink card interface to show up in the networking settings in Etch? I have tried everything I know and I have drawn a blank! |
| 23:15.32 | wols | tdrusk: chown -R tyler.tyler * |
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| 23:15.59 | wols | Mechdave: install and compile the drivers with m-a |
| 23:16.04 | wols | !ralink |
| 23:16.04 | dpkg | Ralink makes WLAN chipsets (product list: http://ralink.rapla.net/). They are notable for releasing software interface specs and - more or less buggy - GPL drivers for the RT2500, and do not require a (non-free) firmware. Out-of-tree kernel modules are available in Etch for RT2400, RT2500 and RT2570 (for RT2561, ask about <rt61>). Use <module-assistant> to install (eg. "m-a a-i rt2500"). Also ask about <rt2x00>. |
| 23:16.06 | tdrusk | wols: thanks :) |
| 23:16.09 | haole | is backports supported by the debian development team? |
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| 23:16.22 | maher | haole: not really |
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| 23:16.34 | wols | haole: backports are not supported even when they are often made by the same people as debian itself |
| 23:16.53 | haole | maher, so what should I do if i need to install some bleeding edge package? |
| 23:17.06 | maher | haole: whatever you like :) |
| 23:17.06 | wols | haole: use a backport |
| 23:17.20 | maher | haole: I would try backports.org first... |
| 23:17.23 | wols | but imho "need" is relative |
| 23:17.53 | haole | maher, i usually use my system with the lenny repositories, but some packages get a little unstable... and i just need it for two or three programs |
| 23:18.12 | Mechdave | wols, thanks |
| 23:18.18 | maher | haole: if they are in backports you could run stable + those |
| 23:19.33 | Mechdave | !rt61 |
| 23:19.33 | dpkg | The legacy driver for Ralink RT2561 (rt61) chipsets is at http://www.ralinktech.com.tw/data/IS_Linux_STA_6x_D_1.1.1.0.tar.gz, enhanced legacy driver is at http://rt2x00.serialmonkey.com/rt61-cvs-daily.tar.gz. Note that firmware is required for the enhanced driver: http://www.ralinktech.com.tw/data/RT61_Firmware_V1.2.zip. Also ask me about <rt2x00>. |
| 23:19.54 | haole | maher, i see people using ubuntu all the time and in my computer it gets unstable... but people are using this distro all the time, and some are leaving debian... don't u think that this is bad for the community as a whole? |
| 23:20.03 | Mechdave | !module-assist |
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| 23:20.10 | Nyle | ant |
| 23:20.13 | Nyle | !m0a |
| 23:20.16 | Nyle | !m-a |
| 23:20.16 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, module-assistant is a tool helping to build additional (kernel) module packages and generate/install DEB packages with them, or aptitude install module-assistant build-essential && m-a prepare |
| 23:20.19 | Mechdave | !module-assistant |
| 23:20.19 | dpkg | [module-assistant] a tool helping to build additional (kernel) module packages and generate/install DEB packages with them, or aptitude install module-assistant build-essential && m-a prepare |
| 23:20.20 | wols | !tell Mechdave about msgthebot |
| 23:20.22 | Nyle | argh |
| 23:22.27 | maher | haole: no |
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| 23:25.36 | MGalaxy | Hello, I can connect to my ADSL at Debian Etch and get the IP, but I can't send/receive any data through Internet, even pinging google.com, but I can ping the ISP IP Address, what should I do ? |
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| 23:27.39 | Nyle | MGalaxy: check your dns settings |
| 23:27.50 | Nyle | looks like you can connect to ips but not names |
| 23:27.52 | Ronin | MGalaxy: dns servers |
| 23:27.54 | Nyle | maybe |
| 23:27.58 | Rydekull | so, I've been searching around for a little while now, does anyone know why they removed the /etc/init.d/iptables script from the iptables-package? |
| 23:28.26 | MGalaxy | Ronin: Nyle: How? (I'm newbie) |
| 23:28.44 | Nyle | MGalaxy: /etc/resolv.conf, /etc/network/interfaces |
| 23:28.50 | eth01 | edit /etc/resolv.conf |
| 23:29.44 | MGalaxy | Nyle: eth01: and change it to what? |
| 23:30.00 | Nyle | MGalaxy: your dns server from isp |
| 23:30.07 | Nyle | call em up and get the ip if you dn't have it |
| 23:30.10 | eth01 | change it the DNS entries. |
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| 23:30.20 | eth01 | try opendns |
| 23:30.22 | Nyle | also check your gateway, maybe you don't have the correct dns setting sin your modem |
| 23:30.29 | Nyle | opendns ftw! |
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| 23:30.34 | Nyle | though a bit slow, still ftw |
| 23:30.35 | eth01 | opendns sucks, but hey |
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| 23:30.37 | eth01 | it'll work |
| 23:30.38 | eth01 | lol |
| 23:31.03 | MGalaxy | ok, thanks, I'll be right back |
| 23:31.13 | Mechdave | wols, It didn't work, msgbot hasn't replied yet. |
| 23:31.35 | Mechdave | wols, Has now! :) |
| 23:31.46 | Ronin | eth01: sucks why? |
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| 23:31.59 | Rydekull | aha, I just found it |
| 23:33.12 | eth01 | because i use my own too, and it's much better. |
| 23:33.25 | Ronin | eth01: ahh so no real reason then |
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| 23:33.40 | eth01 | and opendns is decentralized (incorrectly.) |
| 23:33.51 | eth01 | !dpkg |
| 23:33.51 | dpkg | i heard dpkg is the program used by debian to install and remove packages, "man dpkg". also ask me about <apt howto> |
| 23:33.52 | eth01 | oppsss |
| 23:34.06 | xand | but |
| 23:34.10 | xand | I thought dpkg was a bot! |
| 23:34.20 | Ronin | xand: it is here |
| 23:35.08 | liable | captain obvious! |
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| 23:40.25 | poopface | How can i get tor and privoxy to run on boot? |
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| 23:42.11 | spx2 | is a ip in /etc/hosts.allow with deny supposed to get 110 ? |
| 23:42.18 | spx2 | error code I mean |
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| 23:42.55 | jkimball4 | do the net install media let one choose which debian brance to install (testing, experimental, stable)? |
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| 23:45.42 | aarcane | how well does debian deal with custom kernels ? |
| 23:47.24 | Bushmills | poopface: by rebooting |
| 23:48.08 | Ace2016 | Hi all |
| 23:48.10 | poopface | Bushmills: its not showing up in ps -A and when i enable torbutton in firefox it gives the same ip at whatismyip.com |
| 23:48.22 | eth01 | where can i get a custom kernel for debian lenny? |
| 23:48.41 | Ace2016 | anyone know how to find what icon in an iconset a certain app is using, i want to change synaptic's icons |
| 23:48.51 | Bushmills | poopface: what does ls /etc/rc2.d/*privoxy* give? |
| 23:48.58 | Ace2016 | eth01: you can compile it yourself |
| 23:49.07 | eth01 | no pre-made ones? |
| 23:49.21 | Ace2016 | the whole point of a custom kernel is to get *customise* it, remove the stuff you don't need |
| 23:49.31 | Ace2016 | eth01: you might be able to use one from sid |
| 23:49.36 | poopface | Bushmills: it gives me S20privoxy |
| 23:50.03 | Bushmills | poopface: that's why it gets started on system boot |
| 23:50.36 | poopface | Bushmills: i did reboot.. |
| 23:50.54 | Bushmills | poopface: why? |
| 23:51.15 | Bushmills | does it run when you start it? |
| 23:51.32 | poopface | Bushmills: shouldnt it start by itself? |
| 23:51.36 | *** part/#debian jkimball4 (n=jerrid@wsip-70-184-216-104.om.om.cox.net) |
| 23:51.37 | Bushmills | yes |
| 23:51.57 | simonrvn | specter is nice :) |
| 23:51.58 | JordiGH | Does getting a custom kernel actually speed up anything or is this a gentoosmite sort of thing? |
| 23:52.01 | *** join/#debian Blackgoth (n=Blackgot@c51470fc5.cable.wanadoo.nl) |
| 23:52.11 | Bushmills | but evidently, it doesn't run on your system. so try to start it by hand. |
| 23:52.15 | Blackgoth | hey everybody |
| 23:52.16 | JordiGH | !gentoosmite linux |
| 23:52.26 | poopface | Bushmills: /etc/init.d/privoxy restart doesnt give an error.. |
| 23:52.28 | simonrvn | JordiGH: only in the sense of having a kernel that's hand-tuned |
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| 23:52.56 | poopface | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:53.15 | JordiGH | simonrvn: Right, but is it worth it? Got any kernel stories of amazing skill, finesse, hackery, and nerdery? |
| 23:53.23 | wols | poopface: www.whatismyip.org |
| 23:53.32 | Blackgoth | im having a strange problem with my kernel compile :/ when i start buiding it i get this error: http://pastebin.geekshangout.org/96/ |
| 23:53.34 | poopface | wols: same local ip |
| 23:53.36 | Bushmills | poopface: remote ip checker |
| 23:53.37 | wols | poopface: which IP do you see there? if it's your own, it's not working |
| 23:54.07 | poopface | my own |
| 23:54.28 | wols | poopface: not wokring then |
| 23:54.43 | poopface | wols: there are no errors when i restart tor or privoxy |
| 23:54.53 | JordiGH | wols, better: moanmyip.com |
| 23:55.07 | simonrvn | JordiGH: i think so. it gets dumb when you have to build kernels for lots of boxen, but then you're either building debian-like kernels, or using distro kernels. i like to tune them how i like, since i don't like using an initrd unless i have to (extra stuff in the way of booting, is how i see it) |
| 23:55.17 | Bushmills | poopface: what port do you use as proxy with firefox? |
| 23:55.30 | JordiGH | simonrvn: Ah, speeding up boot times does sound like a noble goal |
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| 23:55.46 | Bushmills | poopface: http://scarydevilmonastery.net/myip.cgi |
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| 23:56.09 | Blackgoth | nobody with a idea what might be the problem? |
| 23:56.14 | Nostahl | whats a good program for burning iso's to cd |
| 23:56.22 | Blackgoth | growisofs |
| 23:56.23 | JordiGH | Nostahl: k3b is easy to use. |
| 23:56.23 | Bushmills | Nostahl: cdrecord |
| 23:56.34 | simonrvn | one of my machines already takes 7 minutes to boot, from cold metal, i don't feel like adding another 30-60s |
| 23:56.37 | poopface | Bushmills: 8118 |
| 23:57.07 | Bushmills | poopface: correct port |
| 23:57.27 | Blackgoth | nobody with a idea what might be the problem to my kernel compile? :o |
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| 23:57.43 | *** part/#debian goldphish (n=goldphis@c-71-56-127-44.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) |
| 23:57.49 | poopface | Bushmills: http 8118, ssl 8118, socks 9050 |
| 23:58.41 | Bushmills | poopface: ps aux | grep privoxy |
| 23:58.49 | enouf | Nostahl: and Bushmills debian's fork of cdrecord is known as "wodim" |
| 23:58.59 | Bushmills | oh right. |
| 23:59.01 | *** mode/#debian [+l 778] by debhelper |
| 23:59.02 | enouf | genisimage replaces mkisofs |
| 23:59.08 | enouf | genisoimage replaces mkisofs |
| 23:59.12 | poopface | Bushmills: shows up |
| 23:59.20 | Bushmills | so it runs |
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| 23:59.51 | Bushmills | poopface: ls /var/run/privoxy.pid |
